| 00:02.20 | simonrvn | too late Wicked.... |
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| 00:03.39 | Raydiation | how can i reconfigure phpmyadmin like when i installed it first? |
| 00:03.47 | Raydiation | dpkg-reconfigure phpmyadmin? |
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| 00:06.29 | nsadmin | Raydiation hmm, there's a local band called Raydience |
| 00:06.41 | Raydiation | nsadmin: im no member^^ |
| 00:06.57 | nsadmin | Ronnie Ray Padilla playing guitar |
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| 00:26.27 | fake_out | hi |
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| 00:34.20 | karsten | CutMeOwnThroat: I though Linux was a widowmakre |
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| 00:34.29 | karsten | erm, s/kre/ker/ |
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| 00:34.53 | zinx | my linux used to be a windowmaker, but then it became window maker |
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| 00:45.09 | dkay | hello #debian! something is wrong on my pc |
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| 00:45.16 | dkay | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:45.16 | dkay | 11360 root 24 0 9012 7824 392 R 24.3 0.7 29:38.95 bzip2 |
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| 00:45.34 | dkay | aptitude need 75% cpu |
| 00:45.49 | dkay | and bzip2 needs 24% but i dont use them right now |
| 00:46.12 | dkay | aptitude raises to 96% some time |
| 00:46.42 | dkay | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:46.59 | dkay | what is going on there? |
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| 00:50.39 | andrew- | hm |
| 00:51.05 | aiux | dkay, which processor/bogomips ? |
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| 00:53.36 | dkay | http://pastebin.org/202163 |
| 00:54.30 | dkay | aiux there |
| 00:55.17 | karsten | dkay: Applications frequently use high amounts of CPU for a transient period of time. |
| 00:55.32 | tharkun | Will installing muttprofile nuke my current mutt profile? |
| 00:55.52 | karsten | tharkun: almost certainly not. That's a policy violation. |
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| 00:56.10 | Joelito | hello all |
| 00:56.18 | dkay | aptitude nevers used that much cpu |
| 00:56.19 | dkay | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:56.22 | tharkun | karsten: thx, just needed to chek |
| 00:56.23 | dkay | still |
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| 00:56.39 | andrew- | \ |
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| 00:56.58 | andrew- | what is my nick? |
| 00:56.59 | Joelito | I'm making a bash script and I need to detect which desktop environment is running....how to accomplish this? |
| 00:57.01 | wald0 | what i need to read for a good packaging learning (and how packaging works) ? the debian maintainers guide ? |
| 00:57.12 | dkay | thats the ps aux output |
| 00:57.13 | dkay | root 9723 97.3 3.8 88024 40720 ? Rl May04 1349:03 aptitude |
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| 00:57.29 | karsten | andrew-: andrew- |
| 00:57.32 | andrew- | k |
| 00:58.24 | dkay | and im wonder, i killed the aptitude pid and now my bzip2 raises from 25 to 90% |
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| 01:02.54 | aiux | dkay, what really want to say whit this items ? i used apps that use 100% CPU for hours, then what ? higher CPU usage , quicker apps are done |
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| 01:03.16 | dkay | no, this cant be normal |
| 01:03.23 | dkay | also aptitude was starting 4th may |
| 01:03.24 | aiux | it is |
| 01:03.29 | dkay | i never started this |
| 01:03.48 | aiux | dkay, is a new machine ? |
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| 01:03.56 | dkay | no |
| 01:04.05 | dkay | i also dont use autoupdate or such |
| 01:04.19 | dkay | only when i type aptitude install, search or update it does |
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| 01:05.56 | wald0 | what i need to read for a good packaging learning (and how packaging works) ? the debian maintainers guide ? |
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| 01:06.27 | tharkun | !tell wald0 nmg |
| 01:06.34 | karsten | wald0: yes |
| 01:06.40 | wald0 | ok thx |
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| 01:27.30 | johnny_buffalo | I experienced a problem after swapping DVD drives. The Drive is recognized in dmesg but has no letter assigned to it (/dev/sr0) |
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| 01:28.42 | thepro4ever | what are the four boxes in the lower left hand of my debian desktop for? |
| 01:28.52 | thepro4ever | i mean lower right hand |
| 01:29.01 | thepro4ever | four blank squares |
| 01:29.14 | civillian | thepro4ever, In X? Virtual desktops perhaps |
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| 01:30.01 | aiux | thepro4ever, take a screanshot |
| 01:30.17 | civillian | thepro4ever, 'Workspaces' is the official term I think |
| 01:30.31 | aiux | ah .. |
| 01:31.06 | karsten | thepro4ever: "workspaces" generally, "virtual desktop" is an older term. |
| 01:32.18 | Bushmills | is there a new desktop, the "debian desktop environment", which i may have missed? |
| 01:33.05 | johnny_buffalo | Drive swap anyone? |
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| 01:39.00 | civillian | johnny_buffalo, Debian doesn't use a 'letter' for drive assignments. Try pasting the relevant dmesg lines into a pastebin entry so others can see what you mean |
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| 01:39.31 | thepro4ever | i know this sounds very childish and stupid of me but the debian graphical interface leaves alot to be desired |
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| 01:39.52 | thepro4ever | i installed it to learn linux at home so i should stick with the terminal anyway to learn |
| 01:39.58 | rumpsy | what, thepro4ever |
| 01:40.20 | thepro4ever | rumpsy: ? |
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| 01:40.30 | jordanm | thepro4ever: are you referring to the gnome-desktop? |
| 01:40.52 | rumpsy | thepro4ever: hmm, okay you started to learn linux . . okay :) |
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| 01:41.15 | thepro4ever | rumpsy: heres what mine looks like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:DebianLenny.png |
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| 01:41.23 | thepro4ever | rumpsy: same one thats on the wiki |
| 01:41.32 | manchot | how to prevent a normal user to run this fork bomb: :(){ :|:& };: |
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| 01:42.04 | jordanm | thepro4ever: http://gnome-look.org/ |
| 01:42.12 | rumpsy | thepro4ever: After the fresh installation of lenny everybody's lenny look like this only |
| 01:42.21 | batphone | i have a 64 bit image installed and need to get x86/686 kernels and related packages installed |
| 01:42.25 | Guthur | I'm trying to mount a usb drive but it says, The enclosing drive for the volume is locked. |
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| 01:42.36 | Guthur | Any ideas? |
| 01:42.42 | batphone | but apt-cache has nothing like 686 or x86 or 386... do i need to change repositories or something? |
| 01:43.01 | amikrop | Hello. I know it is not exactly Debian-specific, but can I use "AppSync for iPhone 3.1" with Debian? |
| 01:43.02 | manchot | anybody knows how to submit a apt-get source server to the official server list? |
| 01:43.18 | johnny_buffalo | civil: im actually using ubuntu, but here is the command i used: dmesg |grep DVD |
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| 01:43.30 | jordanm | !ubuntu |
| 01:43.30 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 01:43.37 | batphone | well this place has gone to hell |
| 01:43.41 | johnny_buffalo | here is the command output: http://pastebin.com/BkqNJW7K |
| 01:43.44 | thepro4ever | i want my lenny to play the song "Stay Crunchy" right after every boot up, http://www.youtube.com/user/ronaldjenkees#p/a/u/2/lg8LfoyDFUM |
| 01:44.01 | johnny_buffalo | thanks jordan im aware of their irc |
| 01:44.08 | batphone | thepro4ever: you should play that song every time you click the mouse |
| 01:44.08 | pzn | need help to re-assemble a raid1 array of 2 devices that was recently created and I rebooted without changing /etc/mdadm.conf or initrd. the array rebooted "off"... |
| 01:44.12 | rumpsy | thepro4ever: you can do that |
| 01:44.28 | jordanm | thepro4ever: you can actually have it play during boot |
| 01:44.53 | batphone | you could have it play when someone rings your doorbell |
| 01:44.56 | batphone | outside |
| 01:45.00 | thepro4ever | jordanm, you just melted my brain |
| 01:45.00 | rumpsy | jordanm: but it what startup music |
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| 01:46.09 | rumpsy | thepro4ever: i think you want your mp3 files to play!? , so can use mplayer or xine |
| 01:47.34 | jordanm | batphone: I don't think there is any support for switching archs, if that is what you are asking |
| 01:47.41 | jordanm | !tell batphone about aptitude clone |
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| 01:51.37 | thepro4ever | what does the command gunzip < sampdb.tar.gz | tar xf - do? |
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| 01:52.39 | rumpsy | thepro4ever: man tar can help you |
| 01:53.10 | dondelelcaro | and normally you'd just do tar zxf sampdb.tar.gz; anyway |
| 01:53.28 | rumpsy | thepro4ever: seriously this has many combination for file you want to extract |
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| 01:55.40 | DuctTapeCoder | Pourquoi tous les hommes à partager un lit avec Regis Philbin quand ils ont des sous-vêtements de Donald Trump dans leur visage drole Debian? |
| 01:55.58 | DuctTapeCoder | #debian.fr.... |
| 01:56.16 | DuctTapeCoder | None |
| 01:56.42 | rumpsy | DuctTapeCoder: WoW nice language |
| 01:56.47 | aiux | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:57.07 | manchot | DuctTapeCoder, debianfr is the way to go |
| 01:57.13 | thepro4ever | rumpsy: 'tar xf' means that i am going to extract files from the following tar file to the current directory but what the hec does 'tar xf -' do? |
| 01:57.19 | DuctTapeCoder | Okay thanks. |
| 01:57.35 | aiux | !tell thepro4ever -about tar |
| 01:57.56 | thepro4ever | there is a hyphen on the end, i don't know what that hyphen is for |
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| 01:58.08 | Guest87542 | Hello |
| 01:58.17 | rumpsy | - denotes file name |
| 01:58.40 | rumpsy | don't use that while extracting file |
| 01:59.16 | rumpsy | thepro4ever: do you understand what is xf combination |
| 01:59.19 | pzn | how to re-generate initrd? |
| 02:00.03 | thepro4ever | rumpsy: x is for extracting the files from the compressed tar, f denotes that i will specify the name of the tar file i am extracting from |
| 02:00.24 | rumpsy | ah :) |
| 02:01.33 | thepro4ever | the one i don't get is 'tar zf' |
| 02:01.42 | thepro4ever | man says it runs the files through gunzip |
| 02:01.56 | thepro4ever | i have no clue what that means |
| 02:01.56 | engla | zf is not valid since there is no action |
| 02:01.57 | rumpsy | just see that is z for under "man tar" |
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| 02:02.15 | engla | you need either c, t, x etc for (create, list, unarchive etc) |
| 02:02.31 | rumpsy | yes he is right |
| 02:02.37 | thepro4ever | engla: excuse me, i meant tar zxf |
| 02:02.57 | sonnie | hi there. i'm just installed oracle-instantclient11.2-basic,oracle-instantclient11.2-devel. but libdbd-oracle-perl depends on oracle-instantclient-basic, how can i do? |
| 02:02.57 | thepro4ever | what does it mean that option z runs your files through or filters them through gunzip |
| 02:04.01 | pzn | sonnie, I don't know for sure, but try channel #perl and ask "how can I use CPAN to install libdbd-oracle-perl?" |
| 02:04.23 | sonnie | thank you pzn |
| 02:04.34 | rumpsy | thepro4ever: without x you can't extract so you need x combination |
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| 02:05.31 | j0nnY | hello everybody |
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| 02:06.49 | j0nnY | can somebody tell me why when im trying to "cryptsetup remove /dev/mapper/private" i answers "Command failed: Device busy" ?? |
| 02:07.10 | j0nnY | device is unmount |
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| 02:07.38 | abrotman | use fuser or lsof to find out what is using it |
| 02:08.54 | rumpsy | abrotman: still dpkg bot is not answering me ! |
| 02:09.09 | abrotman | rumpsy: and it never will |
| 02:09.22 | rumpsy | abrotman: Omg !!! |
| 02:09.26 | jordanm | thepro4ever: most of the time when you get an archive you need to unpack it. this is not the case for gnome themes. system -> preferences -> appearence. the install link there allows you to select an archive |
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| 02:09.51 | j0nnY | abrotman: device is unmount, and fuser says nothing |
| 02:10.02 | rumpsy | j0nnY: use lsof |
| 02:10.04 | orzo | Hello, I'm trying to do a tftpd boot debian install |
| 02:10.06 | rumpsy | as he said |
| 02:10.12 | endpoint_david | how does one stop apt-get from attempting to reinstall unsuccesful packages on next invocation? |
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| 02:10.24 | orzo | i followed a guide but TFTPD is timing out |
| 02:10.34 | abrotman | i said to use either |
| 02:10.43 | abrotman | endpoint_david: fix why it's trying to do that |
| 02:10.43 | jordanm | endpoint_david: remove the packages |
| 02:10.50 | jordanm | or what abrotman said |
| 02:11.11 | orzo | if anyone could help me trouble shoot this, it'd be much appreciated |
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| 02:11.26 | jordanm | !ask |
| 02:11.27 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 02:11.28 | endpoint_david | in this case, I have a postgres cluster that I don't want removed, but the minor version update failed to work |
| 02:11.32 | orzo | i see an entry in the syslog that tftpd is seeing requests for pxelinux.0 |
| 02:11.38 | orzo | but for some reason it's not delivering to the client |
| 02:11.48 | endpoint_david | does removing that package result in destroying the cluster? |
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| 02:12.05 | jordanm | orzo: what can you see on the client? |
| 02:12.11 | thepro4ever | is there a good book on debian? |
| 02:12.27 | abrotman | !tell thepro4ever about books |
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| 02:12.43 | rumpsy | abrotman: Shall i change my nick |
| 02:12.43 | orzo | I see messages about dhcp going through and then it says TFTP... and eventually "PXE-E32: TFTP open timeout" |
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| 02:13.15 | abrotman | rumpsy: please just go away |
| 02:13.20 | endpoint_david | the installed version of postgresql is fine; it's just trying to install again and failing whenever I invoke apt-get, so I'd like to find out how to clear that action without affecting the system |
| 02:13.50 | abrotman | endpoint_david: use a pastebin to show us |
| 02:14.08 | rumpsy | your wish done ! |
| 02:14.45 | jordanm | thepro4ever: There is a lot of online documentation |
| 02:15.11 | j0nnY | rumpsy: i tried "lsof +D /mnt/PRIVATE/" and nothin again |
| 02:15.16 | endpoint_david | !paste |
| 02:15.16 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastebin.ca/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>. |
| 02:15.34 | jordanm | thepro4ever: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2010/04/msg01559.html |
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| 02:15.46 | abrotman | j0nnY: did you try the device instead othe mountpoint ? |
| 02:15.51 | jordanm | thepro4ever: that was the recent discussion of debian specifc books on debian-user mailing list |
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| 02:16.56 | j0nnY | abrotman: tried this way and no result |
| 02:17.17 | orzo | I see nmap -sU shows |
| 02:17.18 | orzo | 69/udp open|filtered tftp |
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| 02:19.02 | jordanm | orzo: tcpdump/wireshark will show if the file is actually downloaded.. |
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| 02:19.32 | dkay | hello debian ! is there another way as curlftps to connect to a ftp server via ssh? |
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| 02:19.47 | batphone | so i still have to install this 32 bit kernel on a 64 bit image |
| 02:20.07 | batphone | should i just download a vanilla 32 bit kernel and compile it myself |
| 02:20.15 | jordanm | dkay: sure you don't want scp/sftp? |
| 02:20.18 | pzn | didn't find in "dd" manpage... dd shows X+Y registers in / Z+W registers out. what are Y and W numbers? |
| 02:20.19 | batphone | i should right |
| 02:20.20 | hayleyw | so, i'm trying to start lighttpd, and it says port 80 is already in use. however, `lsof -i :80` shows nothing. what's going on? how can i find out what's causing this? |
| 02:20.27 | abrotman | dkay: scp |
| 02:20.27 | dkay | cant, its a ftp login |
| 02:20.33 | dkay | via ssh? |
| 02:20.36 | abrotman | then it's not via ssh ? |
| 02:20.43 | dkay | scp only connects to sftp or ssh |
| 02:20.44 | abrotman | you mean ftps ? as in, over ssl ? |
| 02:20.45 | dkay | or? |
| 02:20.49 | jordanm | ftps is ftp over SSL/TLS, not ssh |
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| 02:20.57 | dkay | no, |
| 02:21.07 | dkay | abrotman |
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| 02:21.10 | dkay | dont know no |
| 02:21.18 | dkay | secure ftp |
| 02:21.20 | dkay | sftp |
| 02:21.26 | abrotman | no, ftps .. not sftp |
| 02:21.27 | dkay | dont know ftps |
| 02:21.37 | abrotman | you're trying to use ftps .. not sftp |
| 02:21.45 | dkay | oh, i am using winscp on windows, there its called sftp |
| 02:21.52 | dkay | ok |
| 02:21.58 | dkay | but i can only connect to an ftp |
| 02:22.07 | jordanm | !enter |
| 02:22.07 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 02:22.08 | dkay | its only an ftp account and its ftp protocol |
| 02:22.40 | jordanm | dkay: this means you need to download an ftp client |
| 02:22.41 | dkay | i normaly connect via curlftpfs and mount it |
| 02:22.50 | abrotman | !de |
| 02:22.50 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). |
| 02:22.54 | j0nnY | abrotman: i think the cause is that i "unmount -l .." and FS is ext2 |
| 02:23.18 | abrotman | what's wrong with ext2 ? |
| 02:23.56 | j0nnY | abrotman: when I tried the same operation with vfat, it works ok |
| 02:26.05 | orzo | jordanm, i tried "tcpdump net 192.168.1.106" which is the address being given to the client by the dhcp server. I don't see much of anything except some arp messages |
| 02:26.11 | orzo | i'm not sure i' |
| 02:26.16 | orzo | m using tcpdump correctly |
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| 02:26.51 | j0nnY | abrotman: and now, kernel doesnt umount ext2 inside for some reason, and so "cryptsetup remove" fails |
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| 02:27.06 | jordanm | orzo: tcpdump host 192.168.1.106 -w file.cap; then open it in wireshark (on another machine if needed) |
| 02:27.11 | nsadmin | orzo: for that, the man page is available... |
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| 02:27.48 | j0nnY | orzo: tcpdump net 192.168.1.106 is wrong |
| 02:27.58 | orzo | ok |
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| 02:29.20 | orzo | it's already failed to boot several times and file.cap is still 0 bytes according to ls |
| 02:29.58 | j0nnY | orzo: try tcpdump host 192.168.1.106 |
| 02:30.22 | jordanm | orzo: is the tftp server also the dhcp server? |
| 02:31.39 | orzo | jordanm: yes, and i have a next-server entry in dhcpd.conf indicating so |
| 02:31.53 | thepro4ever | whats a good free music streamer for linux that broadcasts odd music which i'm into, eg gotham rock, foreign techno, for free |
| 02:32.38 | eskaypey | good day |
| 02:33.09 | eskaypey | im wondering if i can upgrade a package to a specific release |
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| 02:33.20 | jordanm | thepro4ever: pandora... |
| 02:33.36 | thepro4ever | jordanm: don't you have to pay for that |
| 02:33.39 | j0nnY | eskaypey: in theory you can |
| 02:33.41 | eskaypey | apt-get install squid3/lenny |
| 02:33.53 | eskaypey | E: Release 'lenny' for 'squid3' was not found |
| 02:34.06 | jordanm | thepro4ever: uhh, it has some limit on the free accounts I have never reached |
| 02:34.17 | jordanm | thepro4ever: 20hrs/mo maybe |
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| 02:34.44 | orzo | eskaypey, you can use apt-cache policy packagename to see what versions are available for installing |
| 02:35.24 | j0nnY | eskaypey: squid version for lenny is 2.7.STABLE3-4.1lenny1 |
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| 02:36.08 | jordanm | ,versions squid3 |
| 02:36.09 | judd | squid3 -- etch: 3.0.PRE5-5+etch1; etch-security: 3.0.PRE5-5+etch2; lenny: 3.0.STABLE8-3+lenny2; lenny-security: 3.0.STABLE8-3+lenny3; lenny-backports: 3.0.STABLE19-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 3.0.STABLE19-1; sid: 3.1.3-2 |
| 02:36.19 | j0nnY | eskaypey: so you may install it "apt-get install squid=2.7.STABLE3-4.1lenny1" |
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| 02:36.35 | j0nnY | eskaypey: or from backports repo |
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| 02:36.56 | cesurasean | how do i edit xorg files without being able to boot up into a command prompt, etc. is there a method to get to command prompt i do not know about? i need to edit refresh rates for my monitor and im not sure how to do it with yaboot. |
| 02:37.03 | jordanm | eskaypey: are you currently running etch? |
| 02:37.20 | eskaypey | jordanm: yes |
| 02:37.30 | jordanm | cesurasean: you can boot a livecd, mount the harddrive and then edit any files you need |
| 02:37.51 | cesurasean | jordanm, i can't get the ubuntu live cd to run.....taking forever to load |
| 02:37.56 | eskaypey | j0nnY: nice, might do that. so why squid was downgraded to 2.7 for lenny? |
| 02:37.57 | jordanm | eskaypey: you know etch is no longer supported and no longer gets security updates? |
| 02:38.11 | jordanm | cesurasean: use debian live :) |
| 02:38.15 | eskaypey | o rly |
| 02:38.23 | j0nnY | eskaypey:it is not downgraded, it is stable ))) |
| 02:38.41 | orzo | in.tftpd says that --secure will cause it to use a chroot. If it chroots, doesn't that require binaries and libraries in the chroot path? |
| 02:38.50 | j0nnY | eskaypey: if u wanna newer version, use backports |
| 02:39.05 | jordanm | j0nnY: eskaypey: in the case of squid, version 3 is split into a seperate package |
| 02:39.08 | j0nnY | orzo: yes! |
| 02:39.30 | orzo | j0nnY: is the chroot path the directory i pass to in.tftpd on the comand line? |
| 02:39.49 | orzo | the documentation seems to imply it will just magically set up a chroot environment |
| 02:40.01 | j0nnY | eskaypey: so you may apt-get install squid3 |
| 02:40.02 | jordanm | eskaypey: you should consider a full upgrade to lenny |
| 02:40.08 | cesurasean | ok, how do i mount the file system, jordanm |
| 02:40.12 | cesurasean | i got the livecd working |
| 02:40.20 | abrotman | !why aptitude |
| 02:40.20 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often find a solution where apt-get gives up. It can be used from the command line like apt-get plus an interactive resolver makes it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). |
| 02:40.35 | jordanm | cesurasean: mount /dev/sdx /mnt/<dir you created> |
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| 02:40.44 | eskaypey | j0nnY: jordanm, yes i think i'll upgrade |
| 02:41.06 | jordanm | cesurasean: sorry it will actually look like /dev/sda1 /mnt/<dir> |
| 02:41.06 | orzo | I've set my tftpd directory to /library3/srv/tftp ... is that the chroot? What binaries and libs shoudl be in there then? |
| 02:41.15 | jordanm | !tell eskaypey about etch->lenny |
| 02:41.51 | jordanm | orzo: what tftp daemon are you using? not using inetd? |
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| 02:42.14 | orzo | jordanm: I'm using the squeeze package tftpd-hpa |
| 02:42.28 | orzo | i'm not using inetd... |
| 02:42.50 | eskaypey | jordanm: awesome, thanks mate, so everyone officially moving to aptitude from apt-get then? |
| 02:42.51 | orzo | the package set itself up to run as a daemon with the -l switch |
| 02:42.55 | orzo | or --listen |
| 02:42.56 | orzo | whatever |
| 02:43.36 | jordanm | eskaypey: don't know about "officially" but yes |
| 02:43.39 | j0nnY | orzo: if using "-s" option of tftd, it will chroot to directory (from command line) |
| 02:43.54 | jordanm | !tell eskaypey about why aptitude |
| 02:43.57 | nsadmin | eskaypey: aptitude is definitely recommended over apt-get |
| 02:44.31 | orzo | the --secure option was recommended by the debian package install. It said nothing about what it does or whether i'd need to put binaries and libs to make a chroot environment |
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| 02:44.55 | jordanm | orzo: I just use plain tftpd with inetd and it was not very difficult |
| 02:45.10 | j0nnY | orzo: i guess, it is implied, that u know all about chroot ) |
| 02:45.40 | jordanm | orzo: maybe check /usr/share/doc/tftpd-hpa/* |
| 02:45.55 | orzo | j0nnY, i mean the debconf message suggesting --secure. That didn't even mention teh word chroot. |
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| 02:49.03 | j0nnY | orzo: debconf didnt tune chroot environment ? |
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| 02:49.35 | jordanm | j0nnY: if it did it would not have been /library3/srv/tftp |
| 02:49.42 | orzo | i was following this guide, http://andys.org.uk/wiki/Guide:PXE_network_booting_Debian_install |
| 02:49.48 | jordanm | !ig |
| 02:49.48 | dpkg | The Debian Installation Guide for Lenny (5.0.4) can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/installmanual . See also <errata> and <installer firmware>. |
| 02:49.55 | orzo | j0nnY: no it didn't. |
| 02:49.56 | jordanm | orzo: use the official documentation |
| 02:50.45 | orzo | the only mention of chroot in the official documentation is in README.secure it mentions that in.tftpd needs to be run as root for it to work |
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| 02:53.03 | aiux | orzo, you may find some info here > http://www.informatik.uni-koeln.de/fai/fai-guide/ar01s04.html |
| 02:53.39 | j0nnY | orzo: i read this, but didnt found where is debconf ? |
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| 02:54.42 | orzo | j0nnY: debconf is launched by apt when I install tftpd-hpa |
| 02:55.07 | orzo | debconf is the interface where it asks questions during package install |
| 02:55.20 | j0nnY | orzo: and it fails ? |
| 02:55.23 | dwon | "dpkg-reconfigure tftpd-hpa" might also be handy |
| 02:56.06 | orzo | j0nnY: after install, there is not a working tftpd server apparently and there is no error. Does that count as failure? |
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| 02:57.06 | j0nnY | orzo: see what. i just installed it - dpkg -i ./tftpd-hpa_0.48-2.3_i386.deb |
| 02:57.06 | orzo | by working, i mean configured and ready |
| 02:57.24 | j0nnY | orzo: and in says tftpd-hpa disabled in /etc/default/tftpd-hpa |
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| 02:57.47 | jordanm | notes this is all likely mentioned in a README.Debian file |
| 02:58.02 | j0nnY | orzo: in this file i c RUN_DAEMON="no" |
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| 02:59.55 | orzo | j0nnY, that may be true for version 0.48-2.3 |
| 03:00.00 | j0nnY | orzo: i've changed RUN_DAEMON to yes and /etc/init.d/tftpd-hpa start |
| 03:00.08 | orzo | i have 5.0-12 |
| 03:00.18 | orzo | ther'es no RUN_DAEMON setting |
| 03:00.23 | orzo | i'm using squeeze |
| 03:00.29 | j0nnY | orzo: oo |
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| 03:00.39 | j0nnY | orzo: i've got lenny |
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| 03:01.12 | j0nnY | orzo: nevermind, i'll see |
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| 03:04.42 | j0nnY | orzo: try to /etc/init.d/tftpd-hpa start |
| 03:05.02 | zr0 | ok, if there are any kernel hackers around, where is the actual code for the copy_to_user function? |
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| 03:07.32 | j0nnY | orzo: have u read /usr/share/doc/tftpd-hpa/README.Debian ? |
| 03:08.16 | j0nnY | orzo: and DEBIAN.security there |
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| 03:10.46 | tuv | why would there not be eth0, but eth2 instead? |
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| 03:11.00 | aiux | !70 |
| 03:11.00 | dpkg | udev has the ability to statically rename Ethernet cards based on MAC address since version 0.090. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules (Lenny, Squeeze) or /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules (Etch). If you want the mappings to change, edit the respective file. To apply changes: "udevadm trigger" ("udevtrigger" on Etch) or reload the relevant driver module. See also <forcedeth mac>, <udev>. |
| 03:11.01 | orzo1 | udev hell |
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| 03:12.18 | tuv | ok.. that's how to resolve the issue, but why does it happen? |
| 03:13.04 | jordanm | tuv: usually happens when adding a new card, or upgrading udev to a new version |
| 03:13.39 | jordanm | in a stable release an udev upgrade to a new version will not happen |
| 03:14.36 | thepro4ever | what is the first super cool thing i can do now that i'm on linux instead of windows |
| 03:15.16 | jordanm | thepro4ever: the "impress your friends" thing to do is install compiz for 3d effects... the remove it a week later |
| 03:15.53 | tuv | thepro4ever: really hard to decide where to start |
| 03:16.52 | tuv | thepro4ever: eventually, you'll have to get to using the terminal+ssh+screen. then you'll realize how dumb windows is |
| 03:16.55 | jordanm | thepro4ever: you can get around to FAI installing your apache2 cluster later :) |
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| 03:17.34 | tuv | is fiddling with FAI now. not as simple as you'd expect, but effective |
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| 03:29.39 | thepro4ever | what the hec is FAI |
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| 03:29.54 | thepro4ever | for a cluster would i need two linux pcs? |
| 03:30.16 | cesurasean | why does apple imac refush to support debian lenny? |
| 03:30.21 | cesurasean | xorg is all sorts of fucked up |
| 03:30.30 | cesurasean | is there a nice way around this? |
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| 03:30.56 | aarcane | how to install natively onto gpt partitions (non-efi hardware) with grub2 and grub boot partition in gpt table (liek grub2 intended it) |
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| 03:35.22 | johnfg | hi guys |
| 03:35.31 | johnfg | What do we have instead of ntp-server? |
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| 03:35.37 | johnfg | for debian lenny, i.e. |
| 03:35.45 | tuv | ntp |
| 03:36.46 | johnfg | tuv, So, there's not a separate ntp-server, eh? |
| 03:36.54 | dkay | only ntp |
| 03:37.01 | dkay | it has server |
| 03:37.07 | dkay | works like before |
| 03:37.21 | dkay | : /etc/init.d/ntp |
| 03:37.28 | dkay | start, stop, restart |
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| 03:37.32 | dkay | set time |
| 03:37.35 | dkay | start |
| 03:37.42 | dkay | and its keep time up2date |
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| 03:41.56 | [gnubie] | wavbes |
| 03:42.17 | Peacimowen | wavbes? |
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| 03:49.18 | [gnubie] | Peacimowen: sorry.. it should be "waves".. ;) |
| 03:49.46 | Peacimowen | 'tis what I thought, [gnubie] |
| 03:50.23 | [gnubie] | anyone's aware about http://is.gd/bSYVa ? any comments? |
| 03:51.15 | orzo1 | I got another client to successfully download pxelinux.0 but i cannot boot |
| 03:51.23 | [gnubie] | i'm not sure if i am going to be affected or not |
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| 03:55.53 | johnfg | Why do I get this when I run ntpdate ntp.spirit.org: 4 May 21:54:53 ntpdate[13143]: the NTP socket is in use, exiting |
| 03:57.09 | orzo1 | johnfg: you are probably running the daemon ntpd |
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| 03:58.14 | [gnubie] | Peacimowen: are you aware on this? => http://is.gd/bSYVa |
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| 03:58.30 | beerkid3 | Ahoy |
| 03:58.54 | beerkid3 | Just got this error when trying to start webserver in many months. not much experience here. |
| 03:59.00 | beerkid3 | couldnt reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name useing 127.0.0.1 for servername - httpd (pid 8126) already running |
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| 03:59.30 | Jordan_U | aarcane: I thought that debian-installer created a BIOS boot partition by default, if it doesn't you can always create one yourself. |
| 04:00.28 | aarcane | Jordan_U, I had failure after failure trying to install it with gpt partitions in a vm, when I disabled gpt partitions, it worked flawlessly. |
| 04:00.56 | Jordan_U | aarcane: sid/squeeze or lenny? |
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| 04:01.10 | Peacimowen | Interesting... |
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| 04:02.44 | Rezagrats | Fsck gave me an error because of an inconsistency in the number of blocks described of my raid drives... how do i fix this ? |
| 04:03.44 | aarcane | Jordan_U, 5.04, whatever his name is. |
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| 04:04.22 | johnfg | I'm just checking for making this a ntp server. So, how do I get ntpdate to 'work'? |
| 04:06.04 | aarcane | johnfg, I can't help much, but I can warn you that setting up an ntp server is a PAIN, I spent literally days making it work, because it never works as documented, but that was on a different distro :( |
| 04:06.12 | Jordan_U | aarcane: Debian 5, Lenny, uses grub legacy which does not support GPT. Try installing debian testing. |
| 04:06.49 | aarcane | Jordan_U, is there any way to install lenny with gpt support, I'm wanting to be on stable, as this is an access point/router system. |
| 04:06.57 | orzo1 | johnfg, on the client you are running ntpdate on, you should not run ntpd |
| 04:07.52 | orzo1 | ntpd is a daemon that tries to keep the time correct by updating it against an ntp server. It is not an ntp server |
| 04:08.11 | orzo1 | ntpdate is a commandline tool to update teh time once |
| 04:08.17 | orzo1 | or whenever it is run |
| 04:08.51 | orzo1 | that's about all i can say off the top of my head |
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| 04:12.23 | Jordan_U | aarcane: You could install, creating a free partition to be used as a BBP and selecting not to install grub during install, then install grub2 to the mbr from a liveCD. |
| 04:12.49 | johnfg | In lenny, is there a process that writes out/edits resolv.conf? |
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| 04:13.29 | orzo1 | yes |
| 04:13.53 | aarcane | Jordan_U, good idea, actually. I'll have to see if I can get deb to that point :) |
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| 04:14.28 | johnfg | What writes to it? |
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| 04:15.44 | orzo1 | i dont knwo. It happens when an interface is configured via dhcp and receives dns servers |
| 04:16.42 | orzo1 | perhaps the dhcp client programs do it |
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| 04:21.18 | orzo1 | i'm giving up on teh netboot install |
| 04:22.16 | orzo1 | it'd be nice if somebody would make a package that would just make an instant netboot debian installer |
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| 04:28.12 | aarcane | orzo1, apt-get install netboot-installer ? |
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| 04:29.37 | aarcane | sudo dmesg -c |
| 04:29.39 | aarcane | erm, ww |
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| 04:40.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | johnfg, your dhcp client, if you run one |
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| 04:41.45 | tuv | is there an easier way to mass-install debian than FAI? |
| 04:42.21 | tuv | actually, more native to debian than easier - is what i'm looking for |
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| 04:42.37 | aburch | tuv: Debian Installer with pre-seeding. |
| 04:43.03 | Enmity | If I am having a problem with kmail and kwallet, ask it here or is there like a kmail channel? |
| 04:43.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | #kde perhaps? |
| 04:43.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's also a #debian-kde afaik |
| 04:44.36 | Enmity | thanks |
| 04:44.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | if you ask it here I'm pretty sure I don't know the answer :) |
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| 04:47.25 | Jordan_U | aarcane: For installing grub2 from a liveCD follow this guide http://grub.enbug.org/Grub2LiveCdInstallGuide except install grub-pc from backports, the version in debian stable is a rather old snapshot (backports contains 1.97~beta3 while upstream grub has already released 1.98, but the package in backports is still stable) |
| 04:48.51 | Enmity | my kmail pops up kwallet prompting for a password and then says its not a walllet file when I enter it, does anyone here have any ideas? |
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| 04:49.35 | aiux | Jordan_U, any (good ) news about grub-ppc ? ;) |
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| 05:07.57 | tuv | any thoughts on FAI vs pre-seeding d-i? |
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| 05:20.41 | tuv | it looks like preseeding is not as automatic as FAI |
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| 05:37.06 | tuv | can grub2 boot off raid yet, raid0+1? |
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| 05:38.04 | aixenv | hey so im trying to get a listing of all dirs that are > 1GB and then print out he absolute path for the returned dirs |
| 05:38.28 | aixenv | im thinking of trying to do a find and -exec'n readlink but i cant seem to get a find -type d to spit out any dirs |
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| 05:38.54 | aixenv | maybe ill have to use du instead |
| 05:38.58 | aixenv | any suggestions? |
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| 05:41.31 | aixenv | hrmm this is close |
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| 05:41.33 | aixenv | but not right |
| 05:41.42 | aixenv | for i in `du -sh *|grep G`; do readlink -f $i; done |
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| 05:43.32 | dbbolton | what is the meaning of this error: http://paste.debian.net/72062/ |
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| 05:48.36 | violinappren | hello.. i'm trying to build the flashcam http://www.swift-tools.net/Flashcam/ module on debian and I get this error ..."Kernel configuration is invalid. include/linux/autoconf.h or include/config/auto.conf are missing." ... I have the headers installed.. what else do I need? |
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| 05:50.01 | aixenv | this isnt too bad -> du -h $PWD 2>&1 | grep ^[1-9]*G | sort -rn |
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| 06:05.27 | Jordan_U | tuv: Yes. |
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| 06:11.38 | nsadmin | dbbolton, which package is it installing at the time? |
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| 06:14.57 | jetole | Hey guys. I am setting up or, well changing my preseed on a server and one item I just changed is that hostname is assigned via dhcp however the installer is still asking me to set the hostname. It shows the dhcp assigned hostname by default but how can I make it auto use this hostname without asking me about it? |
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| 06:17.48 | wieseltux23 | Wich FS for POstgres DB Files? |
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| 06:28.58 | Peacimowen | MEOW |
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| 06:30.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | wait until you meet jelly |
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| 06:37.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | jetole, dunno, you get this with syntax like e.g. here http://lackof.org/taggart/hacking/d-i_preseed/ ? |
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| 06:38.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | (that's from a link from the wiki here: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed ) |
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| 06:39.38 | [gnubie] | is this something we need to worry? => - http://is.gd/bSYUa - http://is.gd/bSYVa - http://is.gd/bSYSt |
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| 06:40.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | you should always worry! |
| 06:42.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | why don't you use the test from the last url and see? |
| 06:42.30 | jetole | CutMeOwnThroat: let me look |
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| 06:45.14 | [gnubie] | CutMeOwnThroat: i already did. |
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| 06:46.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | why do you ask then |
| 06:46.29 | jetole | CutMeOwnThroat: well I see for fixed-address in dhcpd.conf it's using the dns hostname instead of the ip where I am sending option host-name my_hostname so I'll try that first |
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| 06:51.28 | [gnubie] | CutMeOwnThroat: because, i'm not really sure if that is something to really worry about.. i checked the google dns and opendns, both of them are not supporting dnssec |
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| 06:54.09 | xarragon | Hello, I get "Has Sum mismatch" for amd64/squeeze whenever I attempt apt-get update. Is there something I can do on my local machine to correct this, or is it a server issue? |
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| 06:58.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | usually your mirror isn't fully synced or something |
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| 07:02.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | and... Hash* |
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| 07:13.21 | tuv | xarragon: i'm getting those too |
| 07:14.16 | xarragon | tuv: Okay, good to know I am not alone. I switched to the main mirror and it worked fine.. Was unusure weather I had screwed up my install,. |
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| 07:17.54 | xarragon | tuv: Thanks for the feedback. |
| 07:18.05 | dkay | hello debian! could i have 3d support for this graphiccard? |
| 07:18.06 | dkay | 05:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Matrox Graphics, Inc. MGA 2064W [Millennium] (rev 01) |
| 07:18.18 | dkay | or, could you tell me where to look at? |
| 07:20.43 | Argafal | karsten: LXDE + openbox if you want something fast yet convenient. |
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| 07:21.20 | Argafal | If you want more convenience + a bit less speed, go for xfce. |
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| 07:27.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | matrox! |
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| 07:28.07 | fredl | hi, I'm trying to do some specific logging for bind |
| 07:28.13 | fredl | I have http://pastebin.com/MReD986H in my named.conf, version version: 9.7.0-P1 |
| 07:28.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | lspci -nn gives you the pciid |
| 07:28.42 | fredl | however, it says in the syslog unknown option 'logging' |
| 07:30.05 | dkay | !matrox |
| 07:30.05 | dpkg | methinks matrox is they may not be the fastest cards around but at least they make some effort to work with the Open Source community unlike some manufacturers, *cough*nVidia*cough*...... of course, drivers for any card built this millenium are binary-only for obsolete versions of Red Hat. |
| 07:30.20 | fredl | is 'logging' somehow disabled on Sid's bind9 ? |
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| 07:30.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | what is the pciid of that card? |
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| 07:31.03 | dkay | ah, that was for me |
| 07:31.20 | dkay | lspci -nn gives you the pciid |
| 07:31.20 | dkay | Usage: lspci [<switches>] |
| 07:31.28 | dkay | lol? |
| 07:31.41 | dkay | 05:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Matrox Graphics, Inc. MGA 2064W [Millennium] [102b:0519] (rev 01) |
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| 07:32.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, pciid 102b:0519 |
| 07:32.26 | judd | [102b:0519] is 'MGA 2064W [Millennium]' from 'Matrox Graphics, Inc.' with kernel module 'matroxfb_base' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=102b:0519 |
| 07:32.36 | dkay | haha, i entered "lspci -nn gives you the pciid" to ssh and it gaves me an error |
| 07:32.37 | dkay | lol |
| 07:32.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | you sir, should go to bed |
| 07:32.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | and I should too |
| 07:33.27 | dkay | dunno, i dont work hard, dont need to sleep :P |
| 07:33.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | same here, but I get kind of tired after a couple of weeks |
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| 07:34.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | anyway, there you are... I don't know where judd gets the wisdom from, but it doesn't pay to argue with bots |
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| 07:35.48 | dkay | hm, thnks |
| 07:36.05 | dkay | does this mean i need to install "matroxfb_base"? |
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| 07:36.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's the kernel module you should use |
| 07:36.27 | dkay | http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=102b:0519 says so |
| 07:36.30 | dkay | ah ok |
| 07:36.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually udev should load it for you |
| 07:36.40 | dkay | i installed udev |
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| 07:37.40 | dkay | then i could have 3d support? |
| 07:37.54 | dkay | need to check somehow |
| 07:37.56 | dkay | -.- |
| 07:37.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | dunno, try with that driver and see |
| 07:38.05 | dkay | ye |
| 07:38.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | sounds like framebuffer... |
| 07:38.55 | dkay | : ? ye? |
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| 07:41.41 | foresth | hello |
| 07:42.40 | foresth | I have debian 4.0 and I tried to install lckdo via moreutils, but it probably isn't included in the package.. is this a version issue? |
| 07:42.46 | foresth | any help would be much appreciated |
| 07:42.48 | foresth | thank you! |
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| 07:44.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | moreutils: /usr/bin/lckdo |
| 07:44.25 | foresth | it's not there |
| 07:44.39 | fornext | suche ein tool um eine große anzahl von bildern händisch zu bearbeiten. es sind jedemal nur schwarze berreiche zu markieren die gelöscht werden sollen. Laden und speichern sollte automatische ablaufen. |
| 07:44.46 | fornext | sorry |
| 07:44.48 | fornext | wrong channel |
| 07:44.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | wrong language, too |
| 07:45.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg -L moreutils |
| 07:45.36 | dpkg | No packages found matching moreutils |
| 07:45.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | should show the package contents |
| 07:45.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | shut up, dpkg |
| 07:46.09 | aburch | foresth: Debian 4.0 (Etch) is not supported any more, Lenny's moreutils has lckdo. Consider upgrading to Lenny. |
| 07:46.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh... 4. |
| 07:46.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | I'm tired |
| 07:46.28 | ChildOfGod | !dpkg |
| 07:46.29 | dpkg | rumour has it, dpkg is the program used by debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". Also ask me about <reference>. The main info bot in #debian is also called dpkg; ask me about <dpkgbot>. |
| 07:46.34 | ChildOfGod | !apt |
| 07:46.34 | dpkg | [APT] Advanced Packaging Tool, a package management system used by Debian and its derivatives. There is no apt program per se; APT is a C++ library of functions that are used by several command line programs for dealing with packages, notably apt-get, apt-cache, and aptitude. See also <aptitude> <apt-get>, <apt-cache>, http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/blog/entry/apt-system-diagram/ |
| 07:46.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell ChildOfGod -about selftell |
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| 07:47.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually moreutils is only in testing/unstable and in backports anyway |
| 07:48.19 | aburch | CutMeOwnThroat: http://packages.debian.org/lenny/moreutils |
| 07:48.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | wrong address |
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| 07:49.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions moreutils |
| 07:49.14 | judd | moreutils -- etch: 0.19; etch-backports: 0.28~bpo40+1; lenny: 0.31; lenny-backports: 0.39~bpo50+1; sid: 0.39; squeeze: 0.39 |
| 07:49.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, weird |
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| 07:49.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | my apt-cache doesn't show it in stable or oldstable |
| 07:50.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, it does... not in etch, though |
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| 07:51.11 | foresth | is there any alternative to lckdo? |
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| 07:51.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | hell |
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| 07:51.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | foresth, you should upgrade to lenny... |
| 07:52.11 | elnur | How to set multiple IP addresses in /etc/network/interfaces file? |
| 07:52.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | if that isn't an option, you could backport the lenny package (or even the one from backports) |
| 07:53.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | foresth, /msg dpkg ssb for that (only use the package from lenny or backports instead of the one from sid - /msg dpkg backports about backports) |
| 07:53.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | I wonder if etch backports still exist - but I guess they don't have that package |
| 07:53.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | !etch-backports |
| 07:53.54 | dpkg | Ask me about <backports.org>. For Etch, a sample sources.list line is deb http://www.backports.org/debian etch-backports main contrib non-free. Then, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update. Security support for etch-backports ended on 2010-02-15, ask me about <etch>. |
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| 07:54.17 | unixp | how do i easily extract .zip files? |
| 07:54.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | elnur, I can give you a clear and straigt "depends" |
| 07:54.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | before I go to bed |
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| 07:54.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | unixp, "unzip x.zip"? |
| 07:55.05 | karsten | CutMeOwnThroat: Well, if you need diapers.... |
| 07:55.20 | unixp | CutMeOwnThroat, must i install unzip first? |
| 07:55.25 | karsten | CutMeOwnThroat: http://www.us.depend.com/ |
| 07:55.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | karsten, I will consider it |
| 07:55.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | will they have my size? |
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| 07:55.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | unixp, guess |
| 07:56.38 | xro | hi, how can i know processor, cpu and ram of my computer (without reboot)? |
| 07:56.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | !what's my hardware |
| 07:56.50 | dpkg | You can use lspci, lsusb, lsscsi, lspcmcia, lshal, hwinfo, dmidecode, and/or lshw, or even dmesg to find out what kind of hardware your machine might have, or you could crack the lid and look inside ... oooh, shiny! If you install lshw, run "lshw -html > myhardware.html" as root and you'll have a nice HTML summation. See also <myram>. |
| 07:57.03 | karsten | xro: /proc/cpuinfo, /proc/meminfo, dmidecode, hwinfo |
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| 07:57.13 | xro | karsten, thanls |
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| 07:58.03 | karsten | xro: the /proc entries will show you what the kernel sees. dmidecode gives you actual HW values as encoded by manufacturer (which may or may not be more accurate). Other tools listed in the factoid are also usefu. |
| 07:58.39 | xro | ok.... that's great thank you |
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| 08:01.03 | karsten | NP. |
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| 08:02.43 | iceroot | is there a way to get all installed packages from one repository? e.g. i want a list of all installed packages from non-free |
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| 08:03.36 | jelly | !vrms |
| 08:03.36 | dpkg | [vrms] The Virtual Richard M. Stallman for Debian GNU/Linux (aptitude install vrms). Good for sniffing out those pesky <non-free> softwares. Be careful, vrms doesn't forget... now more accurate than the real rms in some situations, such as gdb-doc and emacs21-doc :) |
| 08:03.53 | jelly | iceroot: ^^ |
| 08:04.04 | vsmatck | wow neat! *tries vrms* |
| 08:04.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | iceroot, apt-show-versions |
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| 08:04.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh |
| 08:04.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | mizundastood |
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| 08:05.47 | iceroot | jelly: thx, i will have a look for this tool with a very funny name :) |
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| 08:07.27 | optraz | hi in the http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2234 , CRLF in unix is \r\n ? |
| 08:08.53 | jelly | optraz: CRLF is always \r\n ;-) |
| 08:09.26 | optraz | yes, but where do i read more about crlf corresponding to \r\n ? |
| 08:10.14 | jelly | the ASCII control CR is written as '\r' in C language, and LF ... as '\n', it's just a different way to write it |
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| 08:10.39 | jelly | now, are you actually asking "what's the line delimiter in unix?" |
| 08:10.40 | optraz | i see |
| 08:10.43 | optraz | ok, thanks |
| 08:10.51 | man8 | hasta luego |
| 08:11.01 | jelly | optraz: man ascii is somewhat nice |
| 08:11.07 | optraz | line delimiter is <space><tab><newline> ? |
| 08:11.17 | optraz | ok, manding ascii |
| 08:12.01 | jelly | line delimiter is just \n, or LF, or <newline> if you wish |
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| 08:12.54 | optraz | ok, for the csv, i comply the crlf |
| 08:12.59 | optraz | which is \r\n |
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| 08:14.20 | jelly | !dos2unix |
| 08:14.20 | dpkg | methinks dos2unix is a tool for converting from DOS line endings (CR LF) to Unix line endings (LF). The dos2unix (and unix2dos) utilities are in the tofrodos package. For other methods, ask me about <crlf->unix>. |
| 08:14.37 | optraz | cool jelly |
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| 08:19.42 | DHowett | I'm having an issue with the rsh/ssh apt transport⦠I've set up public key authentication to the system i'm trying to access, for the user I am trying to be, and i've verified that the path I'm trying to access exists - but with both rsh and ssh, apt claims that the file (Packages.gz in this case) was not found - but only if it actually exists. If it doesn't exist, it is simply Ignored. |
| 08:20.28 | elnur | What are nameservers from /etc/resolv.conf? |
| 08:20.56 | DHowett | er, is that to me? I'm using the IP of the remote system, if so. |
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| 08:24.08 | elnur | Should I put DNS servers' IP addresses in /etc/resolv.conf? |
| 08:24.27 | OpenTokix | elnur: yes, nameserver xxx.yyy.aaa.bbb |
| 08:24.39 | joltcan | OpenTokix: Damn you, fast typer! |
| 08:24.45 | OpenTokix | joltcan: lal =) |
| 08:24.55 | OpenTokix | joltcan: Well, - I can't blame you since you run mac ;) |
| 08:25.06 | joltcan | OpenTokix: *klick, klick* |
| 08:25.27 | OpenTokix | joltcan: it has to open type-app-bundle to start the typing process in a sandboxed objective-c cocoa enviroment. |
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| 08:25.42 | OpenTokix | OpenTokix: off topic discussions in #debian.offtopic please. |
| 08:25.45 | OpenTokix | OpenTokix: Sorry |
| 08:25.59 | jelly | OpenTokix: stop talking to yourself! |
| 08:26.38 | jelly | that channel has a "-" instead of a "." in its name |
| 08:26.43 | elnur | OpenTokix, i was changing ip address of a server, and I've found this: http://pastebin.com/pgBJLMZy i think those dns-* records should not be there. am i right? |
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| 08:27.26 | OpenTokix | elnur: Should work |
| 08:27.37 | jelly | elnur: If those are correct, and you have resolvconf package installed, then you're not right |
| 08:27.42 | elnur | OpenTokix, wouldn't it be better to move them to resolv.conf? |
| 08:27.52 | DHowett | bah, figured it out. the system i'm remoting into doesn't support -printf to find (wtf) |
| 08:28.03 | jelly | elnur: is resolvconf package installed? |
| 08:28.11 | OpenTokix | elnur: I have them in my resolv.conf and put the resolv.conf chattr +i - so I guess I am doing it in a ugly pragmatic kind of way |
| 08:28.34 | elnur | jelly, ah, no, it's not |
| 08:28.41 | jelly | elnur: then they do nothing |
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| 08:29.11 | elnur | jelly, but is /etc/resolv.conf being used? |
| 08:29.18 | jelly | elnur: it is. |
| 08:29.42 | elnur | jelly, that's good. then i'll put new addresses of DNS server in there. right? |
| 08:29.51 | jelly | sure |
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| 08:30.44 | elnur | jelly, good. thank you |
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| 08:32.36 | elnur | jelly, should I leave the 8.8.8.8 line in resolv.conf? and should I restart something to apply the changes? |
| 08:33.16 | blip2 | 8.8.8.8 is google's dns service |
| 08:33.33 | HuNt3r | Hi, anyone know how to set UTF-8 and html in 'mail -s "$SUBJECT" "$EMAIL" < $EMAILMESSAGE' ? |
| 08:33.41 | jelly | elnur: a) your choice, b) no need to |
| 08:34.21 | elnur | jelly, so, if i remove 8.8.8.8 it won't break something? do you know that that line is for? |
| 08:34.26 | jelly | HuNt3r: you'll have to create the body part with those features independently of the mail command |
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| 08:34.59 | jelly | elnur: like blip2 said, it's a globally accessible resolver DNS service, provided by Google |
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| 08:35.16 | elnur | jelly, ahh, missed that msg |
| 08:35.19 | elnur | blip2, thanks |
| 08:35.54 | blip2 | google's dns is really quite awesome |
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| 08:36.04 | elnur | jelly, then i'll leave it. if i don't restart something, then how my changes would apply? |
| 08:36.25 | elnur | blip2, google itself is really quite awesome :) |
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| 08:37.51 | elnur | jelly, this is my final question :) |
| 08:37.58 | linduxed | how do i write multiple patterns for grep? |
| 08:38.14 | linduxed | it seems grep only takes in one pattern but multiple files |
| 08:39.34 | elnur | Somebody, please tell me, if I edit /etc/resolv.conf and then don't restart anything (like processes), will my changes be applied? If yes, then how? |
| 08:41.07 | jelly | elnur: try it and see |
| 08:41.59 | elnur | jelly, how can i test it? |
| 08:42.02 | Argafal | elnur: iirc changes of /etc/resolv.conf will be used immediatedly. |
| 08:42.41 | jelly | elnur: getent hosts google.com |
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| 08:44.06 | adamkex | debian on the ppc. are there many desktop programs for it? firefox/chromium, pidgin/emesene, fluxbox/openbox/icewm? |
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| 08:45.53 | elnur | jelly, why google? i set up another IPs, not google's |
| 08:46.00 | elnur | Argafal, ok. thank you |
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| 08:49.14 | jelly | elnur: why not? |
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| 08:50.49 | jelly | it's just an example. Feel free to lookup any host name. |
| 08:51.43 | elnur | jelly, i have only ip addresses of dns server. i don't know any names |
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| 08:52.46 | jelly | elnur: do you want to check if that dns server works, or not? |
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| 08:53.39 | elnur | jelly, i want to check that the changes i've made in resolv.conf have been applied |
| 08:53.56 | jelly | elnur: and what does resolv.conf do? |
| 08:54.07 | elnur | jelly, but since almost everyone say that they are applied immediately, i hope it just works :) |
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| 08:54.20 | elnur | jelly, it points to DNS servers |
| 08:54.23 | elnur | i guess |
| 08:54.35 | jelly | elnur: and what are dns servers used for? |
| 08:55.37 | elnur | jelly, i hope i know what they are used for, but i got a task from management to connect to a server and change its ip addresses and dns server addresses. that's all. i know nothing else |
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| 08:56.10 | jelly | elnur: explain what they are used for, please. |
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| 08:56.24 | elnur | jelly, i know that those ip addresses work because the server responds by them via ssh, but i can't know that resolv.conf changes are applied |
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| 08:57.01 | jelly | elnur: no, what are dns servers used for, in general? What's the purpose of DNS service? |
| 08:58.53 | jelly | if you know what DNS is used for, you'll have an idea why looking up a well known hostname, like "www.google.com", can be used to verify your DNS resolver configuration works |
| 08:59.51 | xro | hi, i have a big problem... i can't do an apt-get update or install... i get this message --> could not resolve ftp.debian.org (same for security, volatile)... but i can ping the server... have you an idea? |
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| 09:00.24 | aburch | adamkex: Most programs in Debian are available for PowerPC. Firefox (Iceweasel), Pidgin, Fluxbox certainly are. |
| 09:01.42 | adamkex | aburch: thank you, i am considering debian on an old imac g3 |
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| 09:04.54 | xro | nobody could give me a hint? |
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| 09:05.42 | Internat | xro: proxy server for apt or something? |
| 09:05.48 | Internat | http_proxy variables etc? |
| 09:06.05 | INeedHelpNow | Hello anyone online? |
| 09:06.12 | xro | Internat, i didn't set anything.... but where should i check that? |
| 09:06.12 | jelly | INeedHelpNow: no |
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| 09:08.40 | jelly | INeedHelpNow: contact your mail service provider. This channel is for Debian GNU/Linux tech support questions. |
| 09:08.57 | INeedHelpNow | They said they cant do anything about it? |
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| 09:09.47 | azariah2 | Greetings, I have some problem booting debian from a SD card, http://pastebin.com/X6Zezq21 |
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| 09:16.05 | xro | hi, i have a big problem... i can't do an apt-get update or install... i get this message --> could not resolve ftp.debian.org (same for security, volatile)... but i can ping the server... have you an idea? please just give some hint... |
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| 09:18.46 | NoReflex | hello! I have a debian lenny machine on which I want to install virtualbox. I added the backports repo and tried aptitude -t lenny-backports install virtualbox-ose. this gives: The following packages have unmet dependencies: linux-headers-2.6.32-bpo.3-amd64: Depends: linux-kbuild-2.6.32 which is a virtual package. |
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| 09:19.14 | panic_ | you can safely ignore that |
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| 09:21.32 | NoReflex | panic_: I was afraid it would later cause problems with virtualbox. However I did find: http://wiki.debian.org/VirtualBox#LennyBackports which explains the installation process very well |
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| 09:29.23 | jony123 | can anyone help me with http://jony123.pastebin.com/J9U8gsTJ Im trying to apt-get install virtualbox-ose in testing |
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| 09:33.06 | xro | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:35.29 | themill | jony123: you have two init scripts in /etc/init.d that both have a provides line for "vboxdrv". Do you have the non-free vbox installed too? |
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| 09:36.19 | alys | I want to buy a new Dell Optiplex but it has an ATI Radoen graphics card. Is it likely to work with Debian? Thanks |
| 09:36.22 | themill | jony123: Given the name of your machine, you perhaps should be asking in #crunchbang? If it's broken packages, then you should be asking the people who made the packages for you. |
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| 09:37.09 | jony123 | themill: hmm im pretty sure its just puling from the squeeze repos |
| 09:37.12 | jony123 | ill check tho |
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| 09:37.50 | themill | jony123: what it is pulling from now isn't really relevant. If you've created a monster by blending distros then *no-one* will want to help you. |
| 09:38.13 | jony123 | Hmm ok |
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| 09:38.58 | NoReflex | jony123: what does aptitude purge virtualbox-ose say? I just installed virtualbox ose from backports and it works fine |
| 09:40.07 | jony123 | I think its complaining cus i installed virtualbox-3.1 Im purging both hopeing that i can get it to install nw |
| 09:40.36 | jony123 | yeah i just need some kernal stuff now |
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| 09:41.15 | jelly | you shouldn't be able to have both virtualbox-3.1 and -ose at the same time |
| 09:41.36 | jony123 | If i may ask whats the differnce? |
| 09:42.03 | jelly | Package: virtualbox-3.1 |
| 09:42.03 | NoReflex | jony123: ose = open source edition, puel = private use evalution something.. |
| 09:42.09 | NoReflex | or personal... |
| 09:42.12 | jelly | Conflicts: virtualbox, virtualbox-ose |
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| 09:43.14 | NoReflex | jony123: the choice is simple?: if you need VRDP or USB sharing then you want virtualbox PUEL, if you don't need those OSE is enough |
| 09:44.10 | jony123 | k |
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| 09:52.09 | Nebukadneza | heho |
| 09:52.19 | Nebukadneza | is there a way to build a 64bit kernel for a 32 bit userland using make-kpkg? |
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| 09:54.28 | cusco | maybe someone could help me with sed? Im trying to perform sed in a cycle passing the filename and the line number |
| 09:54.35 | cusco | like sed 's/; /;/g' |
| 09:54.45 | cusco | but only on that file and on that line number |
| 09:55.21 | panic_ | whats the input looking like and what would you like to output to look like? |
| 09:56.02 | cusco | my problem is not the input, is specifying filename and the line number |
| 09:56.11 | panic_ | i see |
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| 09:57.44 | panic_ | did you try pipeing your file into nl? |
| 09:57.51 | krushik | can I choose packet size to be captured by tcpdump? I want to capture 1 packet (this can be done by using -c option) with known size (don't know how to specify it) |
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| 10:00.16 | panic_ | probably something like this could solve your problem, but i guess there is a more optimal solution |
| 10:00.19 | panic_ | for i in file1 file2; do nl < $i | while read line; do echo "$i: $line";done ;done |
| 10:00.35 | panic_ | where i is your filename |
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| 10:06.10 | panic_ | did that help? |
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| 10:07.32 | roger21 | hi |
| 10:07.52 | roger21 | what is the thing to do to force a fsck at boot ? |
| 10:08.09 | roger21 | (all drives) |
| 10:08.17 | roger21 | once |
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| 10:08.50 | roger21 | i remember i could put a file with the specific filename at root or something like that |
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| 10:13.21 | elnur | jelly, sorry, i was away. thanks for you help :) |
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| 10:20.02 | SOUL_OF_R00T | nice day to all... |
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| 10:20.24 | zrin | how can I tell kernel to look for newly attached SCSI devices? |
| 10:21.03 | jelly | zrin: really scsi, not fc? |
| 10:21.17 | zrin | jelly: runs as vmware guest |
| 10:21.44 | zrin | virtual lsi logic host controller |
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| 10:23.24 | jelly | zrin: scsi, then. echo "- - -" >> /sys/class/scsi_host/hostXXX/scan |
| 10:23.48 | jelly | ,info scsiadd |
| 10:23.52 | judd | scsiadd (admin, optional): add or remove SCSI devices by rescanning the bus. Version: 1.96-1; Size: 12.0k; Installed: 84k; Homepage: http://llg.cubic.org/tools/ |
| 10:24.16 | jelly | zrin: that's just a nice wrapper |
| 10:24.20 | uweg | hello, I have got a question: Which jre is better to use on debian, default-jre or sun-java5-jre? |
| 10:24.36 | jelly | uweg: or even sun-java6-jre?? |
| 10:24.53 | uweg | nono, I want ver. 5 |
| 10:25.04 | jelly | then use ver. 5 |
| 10:25.08 | uweg | but should I use sun or default? |
| 10:25.12 | uweg | Because sun is marked as non-free |
| 10:25.20 | uweg | and default isn't |
| 10:25.25 | jelly | if you need 1.5, use 1.5 |
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| 10:26.18 | uweg | what package is that - default-jre or sun-java5-jre? |
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| 10:27.29 | jelly | I've no idea what default-jre in lenny is compatible with... I'd use Sun Java. |
| 10:27.55 | uweg | even though it's non free |
| 10:27.56 | uweg | okay |
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| 10:41.50 | uweg | but jelly, doesn't the sun-java cost something |
| 10:41.53 | uweg | i mean it's non-free |
| 10:41.55 | uweg | it must have a price |
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| 10:43.01 | Bushmills | it costs your soul |
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| 10:43.07 | uweg | huh? what do you mean |
| 10:43.18 | Bushmills | user agreement must be signed with blood |
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| 10:43.34 | adamkex | uweg: non-free means it is not open source |
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| 10:43.52 | uweg | wait a minute adamkex... that means closed source, but still no cost? |
| 10:44.02 | adamkex | uweg: yeah like utorrent |
| 10:44.23 | uweg | what does that have to do with utorrent? |
| 10:44.30 | adamkex | uweg: ... |
| 10:44.33 | vsmatck | uweg: Intro section to this would be a good read. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_software |
| 10:44.42 | Bushmills | like opera, for example |
| 10:44.45 | adamkex | uweg: utorrent is not open source, but you don't have to pay for it |
| 10:44.55 | adamkex | uweg: yeah like opera |
| 10:44.55 | uweg | aah |
| 10:44.57 | uweg | okay |
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| 10:45.11 | uweg | well if I don't have to pay I sell my soul gladly |
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| 10:45.39 | adamkex | uweg: hehe, i hate selling my soul.. but i need flash, stupid web 2.0 |
| 10:45.52 | uweg | well I need a good 5.0 jre |
| 10:46.01 | uweg | And i don't find anything but sun-java5 |
| 10:46.08 | asterisc | uweg: why is utorrent better than ktorrent? |
| 10:46.44 | uweg | I don't get what you are trying to say asterisc... I didn't talk about torrents at all |
| 10:47.18 | zrin | jelly: thank you! |
| 10:47.43 | asterisc | oh, I read just between the lines... sry |
| 10:47.49 | adamkex | i use transmission or rtorrent |
| 10:47.51 | asterisc | utorrent was an example of closed-source projectts |
| 10:48.01 | adamkex | asterisc: but free of charge |
| 10:48.15 | asterisc | adamkex: yes |
| 10:48.35 | asterisc | adamkex: closed-source projects are different that proprietary software |
| 10:48.54 | adamkex | asterisc: how? |
| 10:49.19 | asterisc | adamkex: I think it's just about the terminology |
| 10:49.38 | adamkex | asterisc: oh, this is my solution: use open source as much as you can |
| 10:49.39 | adamkex | :D |
| 10:49.55 | asterisc | adamkex: closed-source projects is the freeware, and proprietary software means that you have to buy, to have it |
| 10:50.00 | asterisc | that's my classification :D |
| 10:50.26 | vsmatck | proprietary doesn't imply you have to buy it. |
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| 10:50.57 | asterisc | vsmatck: usually it does. Because, anything in this world has an owner (it's proprietary) |
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| 10:51.19 | vsmatck | The important word here is "usually". Perhaps you're making a generalization that doesn't hold in all cases. |
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| 10:51.51 | asterisc | vsmatck: yes. As I said above, that's my classification, and I remember I saw this on the web (can't recall where) |
| 10:52.01 | luuks | hi, is there a way to delete all symlinks in a certain directory? |
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| 10:53.37 | vsmatck | luuks: you should be able to do it with a combination of find, xargs, and rm. |
| 10:53.47 | luuks | okay |
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| 10:54.37 | Lunks | I'm trying to setup xl2tpd, and although everything seems ok so far, I'm getting this error when trying to connect to the vpn: result_code_avp: result code out of range (768 0 14). Ignoring. |
| 10:54.52 | Lunks | luuks: that's an almost great nickname. :> |
| 10:55.00 | luuks | ;) |
| 10:55.28 | UukGoblin | heh, I get highlights on luuks too ;-] |
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| 10:56.46 | Lunks | xl2tpd seems to be doing everything just fine, then it just can't authenticate the user |
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| 11:15.06 | jelly | dpkg, tell asterisc about dfsg |
| 11:15.10 | jelly | dpkg, tell asterisc about non-free |
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| 11:18.56 | kripz | How can i set the order of hdd controllers which Debian loads? |
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| 11:24.18 | frostschutz | kripz: you don't, usually... |
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| 11:26.18 | tdn | What do I need in order to have a blank machine boot up via the network, so that I can give it an iso or something to boot from? What packages should I look into? |
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| 11:29.48 | rvsjoen | !tell tdn about netinstall |
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| 11:30.19 | Bop | i think that he does not look for net install |
| 11:30.22 | frostschutz | tdn: you mean pxe? http://wiki.debian.org/PXE |
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| 11:30.53 | xro | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:31.37 | frostschutz | xro: maybe your nameservers didnt survive dnssec...? ;) |
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| 11:33.58 | project2501b | hey guys. is there 64bit version of the boost libraries in ia64? any clue? |
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| 11:35.25 | tdn | frostschutz, PXE, yes. |
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| 11:37.02 | ayanes | Hi |
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| 11:39.22 | steampunkey | i see i have no sftp client. but there's also no sftp-client (or alike) package? which one contains it, i forgot? |
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| 11:41.40 | steampunkey | the answer is: openssh-client |
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| 11:45.11 | xro | frostschutz, i have another machine (same config) and it works... that is strange! |
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| 11:48.45 | Unode | has anyone tried to install redmine on debian squeeze recently? |
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| 11:49.26 | Unode | I'm having problems installing it |
| 11:49.32 | Unode | it fails on the configure step |
| 11:49.46 | Unode | and I'm using the default install settings with postgresql |
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| 11:54.48 | kripz | frostschutz, the problem im having is that first of all, my OS disk is /dev/sde. My 9 disk RAID array is all mixed up, it makes it hard to locate disks as they are all identical, i cannot simply look at the port numbers on my motherboard, ie. port 0 = sda, 1= sdb etc. |
| 11:55.16 | frostschutz | kripz: does /dev/disk/by-{label,id,uuid}/ help you? |
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| 11:57.26 | kripz | frostschutz, how can i get the disk id of say sda? |
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| 11:58.13 | rvsjoen | kripz: 'tree /dev/disk' |
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| 11:59.18 | kripz | rvsjoen, frostschutz very helpful, thanks. |
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| 11:59.31 | isfranc | hello |
| 11:59.39 | frostschutz | kripz: I'm not exactly sure what it is you want... do you want to know if sdX fails which disk you have to replace physically in the raid? *scratches head* the /dev/sdXn ordering is unreliable in general, take one disk out and all the following sdX change their letter |
| 11:59.48 | isfranc | how i can use kernel-patch, for grsecurity in debian sid ? |
| 11:59.56 | isfranc | for have chroot secure ? |
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| 12:04.04 | jelly | isfranc: forget that, use patches from grsecurity upstream, with vanilla kernels |
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| 12:04.29 | cusco | hi... |
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| 12:06.08 | isfranc | thanks jelly |
| 12:06.23 | isfranc | it s for have heavy secure ssh chroot |
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| 12:12.36 | silidan | hi, how can i compile apps from which i only have the source directly into a deb package so i can easily install/remove them from my system? |
| 12:12.49 | themill | !checkinstall |
| 12:12.49 | dpkg | CheckInstall is a program that tracks all files installed by "make install" (or equivalent), creates a Debian (or other) package with those files, and adds it to the installed packages database, allowing for easy package removal or distribution. http://asic-linux.com.mx/~izto/checkinstall/ See also <stow>. |
| 12:13.19 | silidan | thanks will have a look at it |
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| 12:17.03 | unixp_ | how is the easiest way to share printers from my debian machine to a windows xp pc? do i need samba? or it is sufficient to use that CUPE localhost administration page? |
| 12:18.01 | tensorpudding | Samba + CUPS would make it relatively straightforward. |
| 12:18.40 | datacrusher | dia |
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| 12:19.25 | unixp_ | so i activated the basic server settings and got samba, anything else to do? |
| 12:19.45 | unixp_ | i can connect from the win xp pc to my debian pc via samba |
| 12:19.56 | tensorpudding | You possibly have/wnat to configure Samba. |
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| 12:23.38 | what_if | I am looking for a reference for the files in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d. Specifically a "run after every installation" script. Google not helping... |
| 12:25.01 | themill | !tmp noexec |
| 12:25.01 | dpkg | dpkg doesn't like you mounting /tmp noexec, so you need to: echo -e 'DPkg::Pre-Invoke {"mount -o remount,exec /tmp";};\nDPkg::Post-Invoke {"mount -o remount /tmp";}' > /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/tmp-noexec |
| 12:25.05 | themill | what_if: ^^ that sort of thing? |
| 12:25.50 | silidan | i installed xfce, and now the default file manager in gnome is Thunar too... how can i switch back to nautilus? |
| 12:26.00 | cusco | im trying to have xterm -e "ssh some-server mtop" |
| 12:26.16 | cusco | so it opens xterm with an ssh connection to some-server where it opens mtop |
| 12:26.31 | cusco | but the terminal closes right away, I think mtop complais that its a dumb terminal or so |
| 12:26.41 | cusco | how can I go round that? |
| 12:26.59 | what_if | I want the md5sum files from each newly installed deb package, but for that I need the filename from apt. |
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| 12:28.33 | joltcan | what_if: Have you looked at debsums? |
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| 12:29.11 | tensorpudding | cusco: did you try doing xterm -e "ssh some-server" |
| 12:29.26 | joltcan | what_if: Or aide, tripwire etc if you want to do checksumming on stuff that is locally modified/intrusion detection etc |
| 12:29.49 | unixp_ | how was the command to show all connected devices under /dev .... |
| 12:31.16 | Unode | unixp_: dmidecode? |
| 12:32.15 | unixp_ | Unode, mh only to show connected cdroms , hdds ... |
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| 12:32.41 | unixp_ | k think mount is the easy command ;) |
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| 12:34.35 | ayanes | Check this: http://www.cluster.org/ |
| 12:34.38 | ayanes | a familiar logo? |
| 12:34.51 | abrotman | should it? |
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| 12:36.31 | _Dave123_ | I would like to have a script, that backups a certain db.table of mysql each 30 minutes, how can i do this? (note the table has 10k+ entries, not so small) |
| 12:36.37 | _Dave123_ | good way i can do this? |
| 12:36.46 | rvsjoen | use mysqldump in a cronjob |
| 12:37.19 | jelly | ayanes: it's a pink swirl, but not the debian logo |
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| 12:37.33 | ayanes | jelly |
| 12:37.47 | ayanes | it looks to me very similar, nothing else .. |
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| 12:48.12 | red_eyes | Hello... Does anyone know how to install hamachi on debian? I have amd64. Thank you |
| 12:48.45 | rvsjoen | red_eyes: http://logmeinwiki.com/wiki/Hamachi:Install_on_Linux |
| 12:49.08 | rvsjoen | google would have told you that |
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| 13:00.30 | amikrop | Hello, can't I use "AppSync for iPhone 3.1" with Debian? |
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| 13:15.10 | gp5st | so, let's assume: 1) I'm stupid (for forgetting my password), 2) I have access to the raw disk (i.e.: pop it out and put it in another computer), and 3) I know my username how can i reset my password? |
| 13:15.36 | gp5st | i've gone through just about every password I can think i could have/would have set it to |
| 13:15.49 | silidan | how/where can i change default file manager for gnome? |
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| 13:16.31 | frostschutz | gp5st: you can reset it with passwd - and you can execute passwd by booting into a live cd and then chrooting in your install, or by booting your install directly in single user mode |
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| 13:16.56 | silidan | gp5st: password for what? |
| 13:17.52 | gp5st | frostschutz: i don't have access to it and the computer doesn't have a cd rom drive, thought i should be able to boot from a usb key |
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| 13:17.58 | gp5st | silidan: my account |
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| 13:18.29 | gp5st | frostschutz: thanks, i'll give that a try, i forget you can do stuff like that from a bootable cd/key |
| 13:18.39 | frostschutz | gp5st: if it has grub and a keyboard, that should be fine already |
| 13:19.54 | frostschutz | gp5st: http://www.debuntu.org/recover-root-password-single-user-mode-and-grub probably |
| 13:20.11 | gp5st | frostschutz: thanks:) |
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| 13:20.43 | silidan | gp5st: but you do have the password for root? |
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| 13:21.45 | xNice | hello...i need recommendations for a vpn service for about 50 clients pptpd most of them below 2mb adsl connection...what cpu/ram/bandwidth i may need for that ? |
| 13:22.15 | silidan | o forget what i said... im so slow today... |
| 13:22.30 | Syndelor | A service or something you can install and run localy |
| 13:22.47 | gp5st | silidan: no, not that i remember anyway |
| 13:23.16 | silidan | gp5st: frostschutz link will do it for you i think :) |
| 13:23.24 | xNice | Syndelor service...i will give a vpn for my clients so the server is only for vpn |
| 13:23.53 | gp5st | silidan: thanks. just a matter of getting single user mode up. it's an olpc |
| 13:23.59 | jordanm | xNice: you asked for recommendations on a service, but have already descided on pptpd? |
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| 13:24.18 | Black_Phantom | Debian Respect to all of you. |
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| 13:25.33 | xNice | jordanm i need recommendation for the hardware server specs like ram/cpu/bandwidth |
| 13:26.12 | wols | xNice: how is this a debian question? |
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| 13:27.13 | Syndelor | I guess I meant a hosted service? |
| 13:28.33 | xNice | i will run a debian server for that...but i am asking about the needs of cpu/ram do i need more than 512ram 2ghz cpu for 100 vpn clients or they wont eat ? |
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| 13:29.33 | jordanm | xNice: try ##hardware |
| 13:29.44 | jordanm | or maybe even ##networking |
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| 13:30.03 | _Dave123_ | in crontab, the first 5 digits are normally * how should it look to execute a certain command each 30 minutes? |
| 13:30.06 | _Dave123_ | * 30 * * * ? |
| 13:30.50 | jordanm | _Dave123_: "30" is not a valid hour in the day |
| 13:31.50 | wols | jordanm: on what planet? |
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| 13:32.31 | jordanm | wols: there are only 24hrs in a day... on earth |
| 13:32.35 | unixp_ | do u know what to do if vlc plays .mov files without video only sound? |
| 13:33.16 | solifugus | What's wrong with this? iptables -A INPUT -p tcp -m multiport --dport 80,443 --sport 1024:65535 -j ALLOW |
| 13:33.27 | jordanm | _Dave123_: */30 * * * * . check out man 5 crontab |
| 13:33.48 | solifugus | It says multiport only allows one option |
| 13:34.01 | wols | shoots jordanm to the Moon |
| 13:34.27 | wols | solifugus: probably dport OR sport, not both |
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| 13:35.09 | solifugus | wols: ok.. I will remove sport, but that's how it is in my book.."Linux Networking Cookbook" (animal book's are supposed to be flawless) |
| 13:35.32 | zimba12 | hi |
| 13:35.47 | zimba12 | I installed linux-headers-x |
| 13:35.57 | solifugus | What does sports mean, anyway? I remember in the army it meant, "Slap, Pull, Observe, Release, and Shoot"--steps for clearing a jam. |
| 13:36.05 | zimba12 | but when I try to compile a driver |
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| 13:36.22 | gp5st | thanks guys, a little chroot magic did the trick:) |
| 13:36.35 | zimba12 | it can't find /lib/modules/..../build |
| 13:36.39 | solifugus | I forgot the "t".. it was for tap the forward assist |
| 13:36.56 | zimba12 | should I install sth else than linux-headers? |
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| 13:37.26 | jordanm | zimba12: ... being what version? |
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| 13:37.46 | gp5st | i don't quite recall what xo version it is, nor the firmware, but I threw debxo on the sd card and was wondering if anyone knew if suspend and dimming the screen worked in it (debxo) |
| 13:37.48 | zimba12 | 2.6.33 |
| 13:37.59 | jordanm | ,kernels |
| 13:38.01 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.33-2-686 (2.6.33-1~experimental.4); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-12); squeeze: 2.6.32-3-686 (2.6.32-9); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.4-686 (2.6.32-11~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-21lenny4); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
| 13:38.11 | jordanm | zimba12: from experimental? |
| 13:38.28 | zimba12 | jordanm, yeah, it's a version for lemote2f |
| 13:39.15 | jordanm | for what? |
| 13:39.20 | unixp_ | do u know what to do if vlc plays .mov files without video only sound? |
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| 13:39.32 | zimba12 | jordanm, a Lemote machine |
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| 13:39.40 | jelly | what is a lemote machine? |
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| 13:40.09 | jordanm | jelly: it looks like its an embedded MIPS device (and was not easy to find) |
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| 13:50.32 | adamkex | haha the stallman laptop |
| 13:50.52 | _Dave123_ | I would like to have a command executed each time my debian Vbox virtual machine resumes, is this possible? anyone ever tried this? |
| 13:51.27 | jelly | adamkex: looks more like Red Flag laptop (well, netbook) |
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| 13:52.20 | adamkex | well stallman uses it |
| 13:52.41 | NoReflex | _Dave123_: I believe you can use pm-utils for this purpose |
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| 13:53.00 | VectorX | hi i want to install the live cd in a virtual box, just to use the basic fetures using debian/kde for some testing, how much space should i allocate for disk for this ? i was thinking 512mb for ram |
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| 13:53.53 | _Dave123_ | NoReflex: you ever tried ? |
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| 13:54.31 | jordanm | VectorX: the livecd is not an installer |
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| 13:54.42 | VectorX | then what is it ? |
| 13:54.47 | NoReflex | _Dave123_: unfortunately not... maybe http://wiki.debian.org/Suspend can help you |
| 13:55.15 | avar | Can someone tell me if this fsck.ext4 output means my filesystems are corrupt: http://paste.scsys.co.uk/43114 (FILE SYSTEM WAS MODIFIE // 252101/6111232 files (0.1% non-contiguous), 22518000/24414783 blocks) |
| 13:55.17 | _Dave123_ | ok |
| 13:55.19 | jelly | _Dave123_: typically virtualization solutions provide guest-side additions with bindings for such actions... have you tried asking in #vbox? |
| 13:55.20 | NoReflex | you can find there: This means that scripts in the directory /usr/lib/pm-utils/sleep.d are executed at suspend and resume. (pm-utils actually looks first in /etc/pm/sleep.d, but in the default Debian configuration these directories are empty) |
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| 13:58.29 | CodeNinja | does anyone know how to get ntlm working with davfs2 for sharepoint? :| [I hate sharepoint btw, but work requirements] |
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| 14:01.34 | zimba12 | no chance I can find the lib/modules/../build folder |
| 14:01.45 | zimba12 | using an experimental version of the kernel= |
| 14:01.46 | zimba12 | ? |
| 14:02.13 | simonrvn | avar: seems o, doesn't seem to have reported any badblocks even |
| 14:02.15 | _Dave123_ | jelly: yes |
| 14:02.16 | simonrvn | ok |
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| 14:04.17 | avar | simonrvn: Yeah, but the "FS WAS MODIFIED" thing is odd, it was unmounted the entire time and the docs for the -c switch say "do a read-only scan of the device in order to find any bad blocks" |
| 14:04.39 | VectorX | jordanm so can i install stuff on the live cd when its running ? |
| 14:04.40 | simonrvn | you fscked... |
| 14:04.42 | avar | ah, maybe it's because it added stuff to the badblocks list because of -k |
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| 14:10.44 | Bop | is openoffice.org broken in lenny ? |
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| 14:10.51 | Bop | i cant open a new document ! |
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| 14:12.16 | jordanm | !errors |
| 14:12.16 | dpkg | If you don't tell us the exact error messages you get, we can't tell you what's wrong, and it's also useful to know exactly what command you're typing. Please look for the *first* error that occurs, as this is often the cause of later errors -- ask me about <localized errors> too. |
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| 14:15.42 | Bop | is openoffice.org broken in lenny ? here's my openoffice startup menu , without any options ! http://www23.zippyshare.com/v/12232038/file.html |
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| 14:16.41 | RichiH | !find mysql potato |
| 14:16.46 | RichiH | (yah, yah, long shot) |
| 14:17.01 | RichiH | too long, it failed |
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| 14:17.15 | RichiH | does anyone happen to know what version of debian i need to install to get mysql 3? |
| 14:17.22 | CodeNinja | :o 3??? |
| 14:17.24 | CodeNinja | >.> |
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| 14:17.31 | CodeNinja | jezus |
| 14:17.32 | RichiH | CodeNinja: correct |
| 14:17.35 | CodeNinja | etch have it? |
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| 14:17.59 | wols | CodeNinja: no. potato sounds about right :) |
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| 14:18.36 | CodeNinja | wols: ah, I didnt use debian before etch so I dunno :P |
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| 14:21.47 | wols | RichiH: you're lucky.... sarge should have it |
| 14:22.12 | RichiH | wols: that's almost boring |
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| 14:24.33 | aburch | Hmm, potato might have been the first Debian I have used *remembers-the-good-old-times* |
| 14:24.34 | nkuttler | hrm, why would you need mysql3? |
| 14:24.37 | RichiH | snapshot.debian.net only goes back to 4.0, unfortunately |
| 14:24.51 | abrotman | RichiH: doesn't mysql.com still have the source packages? |
| 14:24.54 | abrotman | tar.gz i mean |
| 14:25.01 | RichiH | nkuttler: to load binary data stored by a customer and export it into sql |
| 14:25.10 | krushik | where can i find livecd for booting on arm device? |
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| 14:25.24 | RichiH | abrotman: no, only a note that they do not host it any more and a link to a long-gone bitkeeper repo |
| 14:26.00 | nkuttler | doesn't the main ftp still have a sarge tree? or just oldstable? |
| 14:26.08 | abrotman | nkuttler: archive.debian.org |
| 14:26.19 | abrotman | and i don't think sarge had mysql3 |
| 14:26.30 | RichiH | aburch: potato was the release on which i managed to reproducably get dselect to bork my local dependency graph when trying to install X and no one ever believed me that it was not my fault |
| 14:26.34 | RichiH | on a fresh install, too |
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| 14:27.00 | wols | RichiH: for the source: http://archive.debian.org/debian/pool/main/m/mysql/mysql_3.23.49.orig.tar.gz |
| 14:27.02 | RichiH | (well, on several of them, as i said, i could reproduce) |
| 14:27.15 | RichiH | wols: neat, thanks |
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| 14:27.55 | jordanm | !tell krushik about arm |
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| 14:28.29 | jordanm | krushik: debian live is amd64 and i386 only |
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| 14:41.24 | wng- | in lspci output, are nVidia corporation MCP55 PCI Express bridges, are they riser cards possibly? |
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| 14:43.33 | justanic | is there any way to open an archive (.arc) that is a collection of multiple files but the last few volumes are missing |
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| 14:44.40 | CodeNinja | justanic: not likely |
| 14:44.58 | jordanm | justanic: if you just do an extract it does not extract the existing files? |
| 14:45.27 | justanic | no looks for the other volumes that are missing or broken |
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| 14:47.08 | CodeNinja | justanic: most archive apps will generate a checksum or similar to compare the archives against, if theres things missing, you're fubar |
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| 14:47.59 | justanic | crappers.. ok thanks |
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| 14:51.07 | RichiH | wng-: generally speaking, riser cards suck |
| 14:51.29 | RichiH | even more so for anything that is likely to depend on short latency, namely raid controllers and gfx cards |
| 14:51.57 | RichiH | i.e. try it, but if you ever get strange effects, think of the riser card first and the rest second |
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| 15:08.05 | bitshuffler | Hello. Could someone please tell me which package (postinst) is creating /etc/shadow and friends? |
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| 15:09.26 | Thaxll | /etc/shadow is not created by any packages ... |
| 15:09.47 | bitshuffler | Thaxll: yeah well, who does it create then? |
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| 15:10.17 | bitshuffler | (I know it isn't contained in some package but something has to create it and I thought it were some postinst script of some package) |
| 15:11.01 | aburch | bitshuffler: base-passwd |
| 15:11.23 | bitshuffler | aburch: thanks :) |
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| 15:21.36 | lng | hello! I am stuck with proftpd - Error:Failed to retrieve directory listing |
| 15:22.04 | lng | error log says - USER x-user: Login successful. |
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| 15:22.18 | lng | Active and Passive modes were used |
| 15:22.23 | lng | same result |
| 15:22.27 | omes | how can i set the default audio device to something else? |
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| 15:29.07 | cahoot | omes: no pulseaudio on the system? |
| 15:29.34 | omes | cahoot: i just ended up using .asoundrc :) |
| 15:29.37 | omes | works ok |
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| 15:33.27 | scratchme | Hi all. Is there a patch for this bug? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=514976 |
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| 15:35.35 | themill | unplugging disks sounds like the most likely patch |
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| 15:35.51 | jordanm | > 26 drives? |
| 15:36.04 | jordanm | thinks someone needs an array |
| 15:36.16 | scratchme | I'm using mdadm, but that's besides the point. |
| 15:36.42 | scratchme | themill: I've unplugged some, but for some reason the drives I want to use for a boot drive are showing up last. |
| 15:37.28 | jordanm | scratchme: the user making the bug report shows a success with a downgraded grub from etch |
| 15:38.35 | scratchme | Is there a patch for the new grub? |
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| 15:38.56 | jordanm | scratchme: grub2 is available in lenny |
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| 15:39.10 | csc` | How do you get apt to list locally installed packages, I can't seem to find it in any of the manpages |
| 15:39.18 | jordanm | scratchme: you can not expect the support channel to know more about a bug than the BTS |
| 15:39.59 | scratchme | jordanm: I'm only hobby level with this stuff, so I figured it wouldn't hurt to ask some questions. |
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| 15:41.02 | themill | dpkg: tell csc` about obsolete |
| 15:41.09 | omes | i get a lot of latency on my bluetooth headset |
| 15:41.15 | omes | does anyone know how to fix that? |
| 15:41.44 | csc` | themill, any way to do that without using aptitude? |
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| 15:42.07 | csc` | as in, through apt-get or -cache? |
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| 15:42.15 | yuri_ | hi how do i find out what is using port 53? |
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| 15:42.31 | csc` | yuri_, netstat |
| 15:42.40 | yuri_ | csc`: command for? |
| 15:42.41 | jordanm | csc`: aptitude is part of the base install and is recommended over apt. why does it matter? |
| 15:42.45 | themill | csc`: aptitude is part of the standard debian tool set... |
| 15:43.01 | lamah | who knows the release date of debian squeeze final version? |
| 15:43.08 | themill | dpkg: tell lamah about wwsr |
| 15:43.12 | csc` | jordanm, because i asked? |
| 15:43.19 | yuri_ | what command to find out what is using port 53 |
| 15:43.30 | csc` | yuri_, dont know the exact arg, man netstat |
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| 15:43.40 | courpse | yure, netstat -p | grep 53 |
| 15:43.43 | courpse | erm. |
| 15:43.43 | csc` | ^- |
| 15:43.47 | courpse | yuri_* |
| 15:44.02 | yuri_ | courpse: erm. nothing |
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| 15:44.16 | courpse | Then nothing is listening on it. |
| 15:44.29 | yuri_ | rbldnsd: unable to bind to 92.62.42.20/53: Cannot assign requested address |
| 15:44.35 | yuri_ | =/ |
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| 15:45.51 | omes | yay, figured that out too |
| 15:45.51 | jordanm | courpse: no, apt-* does not allow for search patterns with aptitude. to use it, you would likely need to write a script that iterates over installed packages and parses the output of say, apt-cache policy... AFAIK |
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| 15:46.03 | jordanm | s/with aptitude/like aptitude/ |
| 15:46.08 | omes | it was magic though, dunno what i did really |
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| 15:46.16 | omes | just fiddled with the headset and it worked |
| 15:46.17 | courpse | jordanm, /me didnt ask, :/ |
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| 15:46.28 | jordanm | csc`: answer above |
| 15:46.33 | courpse | lol. |
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| 15:47.09 | csc` | jordanm, i dont know debian internals besides a little bit about building .deb packages, is there a directory that acts as a local repository? |
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| 15:48.05 | themill | csc`: /msg dpkg own repo ; /msg dpkg reprepro ; /msg dpkg which repo |
| 15:48.12 | nkuttler | csc`: /var/cache/apt/archives/ ? |
| 15:48.35 | csc` | brb in a few, laptop is dying |
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| 15:48.56 | csc` | and i was asking if apt stores decompressed package information in a directory somewhere |
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| 15:49.53 | Guthur | Why would GSL documentation be considered non-free, it's a GNU project |
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| 15:50.35 | jordanm | csc`: why do you insist on avoiding using the right tool for the right job? |
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| 15:51.02 | themill | jordanm: probably because he's not even using debian... |
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| 15:52.17 | nkuttler | Guthur: http://www.debian.org/vote/2006/vote_001 |
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| 15:52.38 | jordanm | themill: that would make sense |
| 15:53.09 | Guthur | nkuttler, ah cheers, I thought it was a GSL specific issue |
| 15:53.30 | themill | Guthur: the package copyright file also mentions this |
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| 15:57.44 | MadBlack | hi |
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| 15:58.02 | _Dave123_ | when i put something in 'crontab -e' it can pick bash aliases from root right? |
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| 15:59.27 | MadBlack | gtk open dialog crash in debian testing |
| 15:59.30 | MadBlack | can anyone confirm? |
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| 16:01.55 | Bushmills | try a different theme |
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| 16:21.14 | tuxxx | hey guys |
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| 16:22.27 | tuxxx | I'm having a tiny problem here with my deb.. after joining a windows domain, when I login with a domain user, the user gets automatically loggef off at the same time... has anybody seen something like that before? |
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| 16:23.25 | Martijn_ | Can anyone link me to a tutorial about how to install java on my lenny server? I've been lookin g literally everywhere but I can't find any. |
| 16:23.36 | themill | dpkg: tell Martijn_ about install java |
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| 16:24.27 | Martijn_ | thanks, I needed the jre version ;) |
| 16:25.13 | tuxxx | Martijn_, have you tried aptitude install sun-java6-jre ? |
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| 16:25.45 | themill | Martijn_: just adapt what dpkg told you to use -jre then. |
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| 16:26.13 | Martijn_ | indeed :) |
| 16:26.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | in deed an in thought |
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| 16:26.30 | JordiGH | Uh-oh. |
| 16:26.40 | JordiGH | Checkinstall doesn't like spaces in pathnames, eh? |
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| 16:27.26 | themill | JordiGH: who'd have thought.... If you put spaces in path names you deserve what you get |
| 16:28.08 | JordiGH | Well, I didn't do it, upstream did. |
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| 16:28.28 | JordiGH | I'll have to package this properly. >.> |
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| 16:43.27 | chris` | how do I get the 32bit debugger version of the flash player to work with squeeze/amd64? |
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| 16:43.58 | smhar | I want to play streaming realplayer videos using realplayer, but now when I click on a link it runs an embedded xine player |
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| 16:46.22 | Demotivalnik | ïðèâåò âñåì |
| 16:46.26 | Demotivalnik | !êðó÷ó |
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| 16:47.24 | nkuttler | !ru |
| 16:47.24 | dpkg | Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net. or use English here. |
| 16:47.27 | Demotivalnik | ïèèäðåãóóëÿòîð |
| 16:47.43 | Demotivalnik | aa |
| 16:47.48 | Demotivalnik | sorry |
| 16:48.16 | chris` | \quit |
| 16:48.24 | chris` | \quit |
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| 16:50.19 | timeoh | There is a internal system mail in debian, am i right? |
| 16:50.37 | Demotivalnik | i don`t know |
| 16:50.57 | Demotivalnik | perhaps |
| 16:51.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | speculation day \o/ |
| 16:51.33 | timeoh | Ok i wanna sent an email out of an php script. but i dont wanna set up an email server. i have in mind that there is an internal mail system that i can use for it. like bla@username |
| 16:51.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | exim is installed by default |
| 16:52.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | no |
| 16:52.04 | petemc | timeoh: some things depend on mail-transport-agent, and the default package for that is exim4, so you may already have exim4 |
| 16:52.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | user@yourhost |
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| 16:54.26 | Demotivalnik | àìåðèêàíöû ëåíèâûå |
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| 16:54.38 | simonrvn | try utf-8 at least, sheesh |
| 16:55.12 | simonrvn | then everyone can see it instead of ????? ???? ;) |
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| 16:56.09 | timeoh | ok i tried to send an mail to username@machinename in my apache2 logs the following error occurs: /usr/bin/senmail |
| 16:56.12 | JordiGH | Russians still use KOI-8 very frequently. |
| 16:56.26 | JordiGH | UTF-8 makes their text use twice as many bytes, so I kinda see why they use KOI-8. |
| 16:56.28 | timeoh | not found |
| 16:56.36 | datenritter | i'm using ccache for openwrt, and i see ccache calls, but ccache does not cache anything. (looked at the statistics, and there's no ~/.ccache). any idea why? |
| 16:56.43 | datenritter | timeoh: "senmail" ? |
| 16:56.45 | jordanm | timeoh: you have to setup and configure you system's MTA |
| 16:56.50 | Demotivalnik | íó âû ðàñ÷åðèêàëèñü |
| 16:56.53 | timeoh | sendmail |
| 16:57.02 | Victor1 | JordiGH: No it's CP1251 |
| 16:57.02 | datenritter | timeoh: install smtp or postfix |
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| 16:57.19 | timeoh | it has to be easy |
| 16:57.19 | jordanm | timeoh: exim4 is the default MTA for debian |
| 16:57.20 | Bushmills | or use a mail forwarder, if you have an smtp server running somewhere else |
| 16:57.21 | timeoh | ;) |
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| 16:57.26 | Demotivalnik | Victor1: è òû áðóò?) |
| 16:57.28 | JordiGH | Victor1: Ah. Is that the Windows encoding? |
| 16:57.36 | Victor1 | JordiGH: Yeah. |
| 16:57.39 | jordanm | timeoh: you don't really have a choice |
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| 16:57.40 | simonrvn | cp* always is |
| 16:57.44 | datenritter | timeoh: ssmtp then |
| 16:57.56 | Victor1 | Demotivalnik: English, please. |
| 16:58.11 | jordanm | datenritter: ssmtp will have issues if he ever wants say, mail for root to be delivered locally |
| 16:58.36 | JordiGH | Demotivalnik: ЧÑо ÑÑ Ñ
оÑеÑÑ? |
| 16:58.55 | timeoh | detenritter: ssmtp sounds gut |
| 16:58.59 | timeoh | good |
| 16:59.04 | datenritter | ausgezeichnet. ^^ |
| 16:59.16 | Demotivalnik | JordiGH: oh<understood :( |
| 16:59.26 | datenritter | still wonders why ccache doesn't cache anything |
| 16:59.49 | simonrvn | datenritter: you put /usr/lib/ccache in your PATH? |
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| 17:00.18 | timeoh | datenritter: ahahaha damn you got me |
| 17:00.23 | MadBlack | How to disable screen blanking? I already tried adding "setterm -blank 0 -powersave off -powerdown 0" and "xset s off" in ~/.initrc and in /etc/rc.local but it doesn't work |
| 17:00.43 | Demotivalnik | where are you from? |
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| 17:00.55 | simonrvn | JordiGH: i can understand too, it sucks but in international settings people can go to international encodings ;). |
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| 17:01.58 | datenritter | simonrvn: no, that's not the problem. i just ran a test (ccache cc mytest.c), and it appears in the statistics. must be an openwrt problem then. |
| 17:02.15 | jhutchins_lt | MadBlack: Probably being done by your BIOS. |
| 17:03.21 | abrotman | MadBlack: screen blanking where? |
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| 17:05.58 | MadBlack | abrotman: screen blanking in X. screen became black after some minutes but without going into standby |
| 17:06.11 | abrotman | MadBlack: /msg dpkg dpms |
| 17:06.20 | abrotman | MadBlack: also check your screensaver settings if you're using gnome or kde |
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| 17:07.03 | MadBlack | abrotman: i'm using xfce and screensaver is disabled |
| 17:07.07 | bolt | is there a guide somewhere on optimizing Debian for very low-end hardware? i'd like to run it on my 233MHz Pentium 1, with 100 megs of ram |
| 17:07.37 | abrotman | bolt: no real need to "optimize" .. don't install programs you don't want running |
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| 17:08.22 | CodeNinja | doesnt install 'standard env' half of the time anymore |
| 17:08.30 | CodeNinja | just install what I need as I need it |
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| 17:09.08 | bolt | is the kernel itself much heavier than the one of the mini distros like damn small linux and tiny core linux? |
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| 17:10.22 | JordiGH | Funny, "heavy". |
| 17:11.24 | bolt | heavy, as in, contains more stuff that has to eat of my poor 100 megs of ram |
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| 17:14.29 | Victor1 | bolt: Try mini distros or compile self kernel |
| 17:14.31 | MadBlack | abrotman: ok, i set Option "DPMS" "off" in xorg.conf |
| 17:15.05 | abrotman | oaky! |
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| 17:15.49 | JordiGH | bolt: Yeah, I was just wondering if "heavy" is actually in common use in English. I've heard it in other languages, not in English. |
| 17:16.11 | Thaxll | ofc |
| 17:16.16 | bolt | JordiGH: I'm not english :) But I've heard if from english people at work too. |
| 17:16.21 | abrotman | bolt: it's a modular kernel .. you can blacklist modules you don't want automatically loaded |
| 17:16.26 | JordiGH | bolt: They probably learned it from you. ;-) |
| 17:16.46 | abrotman | watches two non-english speakers discuss english words ... |
| 17:16.58 | JordiGH | abrotman: I'm an English speaker. |
| 17:17.15 | Victor1 | also not englishman :) |
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| 17:18.16 | abrotman | JordiGH: native ? |
| 17:18.21 | JordiGH | abrotman: Yes. |
| 17:18.33 | abrotman | but you don't know the word 'heavy' ? |
| 17:18.43 | abrotman | anyways ... |
| 17:18.56 | JordiGH | I just haven't heard it in English in relation to saying "software with many, many bytes". |
| 17:19.06 | bolt | abrotman: I think he was referring to that particular use of the word |
| 17:19.09 | JordiGH | abrotman: It's like source codes, a very common L2 error in English. |
| 17:19.10 | Victor1 | JordiGH: But you known russan. |
| 17:19.29 | JordiGH | Victor1: ТолÑко немножко. |
| 17:19.46 | abrotman | bolt: your use was perfectly fine .. he should have seen it that way if he were a native speaker |
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| 17:20.22 | JordiGH | abrotman: Oh, stfu brollyboy, I'm native. It's an unusual wording. |
| 17:20.29 | abrotman | no, it's not |
| 17:20.37 | JordiGH | Haters gonna hate. |
| 17:20.44 | bolt | ... |
| 17:20.46 | abrotman | It's actually pretty common. |
| 17:20.59 | abrotman | bolt: you'll have to excuse JordiGH .. he gets angry for no reason |
| 17:21.09 | bolt | :) |
| 17:21.12 | Victor1 | JordiGH: Ðамного болÑÑе, Ñем дÑÑгие. :) |
| 17:21.19 | abrotman | Victor1: english in this channel |
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| 17:21.24 | JordiGH | Victor1: :-) |
| 17:21.27 | MadBlack | abrotman: seems that the nvidia driver active DPMS in xorg.conf even if I disabled. In |
| 17:21.38 | Victor1 | abrotman: OK. No more. |
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| 17:21.46 | Demotivalnik | )) |
| 17:21.48 | abrotman | MadBlack: Isn't there an 'nvidia-settings' binary or some such nonsense to control that thing ? |
| 17:22.18 | jordanm | abrotman: AFAIK nvidia-settings is just a GUI for making changes to xorg.conf |
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| 17:22.39 | MadBlack | yes, there is an nvidia-settings, but don't see a way to disable dpms in it... |
| 17:22.40 | abrotman | perhaps there are two settings that need to be changed for the driver to turn off DPMS .. i don't have nvidia hardware |
| 17:22.47 | abrotman | MadBlack: disable power saving ? |
| 17:23.44 | MadBlack | no, anything |
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| 17:24.24 | MadBlack | i will google for it... |
| 17:24.42 | Victor1 | MadBlack: Check xscreensaver-demo - i so Power Management there. |
| 17:24.49 | abrotman | MadBlack: there is also #nvidia |
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| 17:25.12 | MadBlack | ok, thanks |
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| 17:26.35 | JyZyXEL | how do i access loopdevice partitions? |
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| 17:28.00 | jordanm | JyZyXEL: mount them? |
| 17:28.19 | JyZyXEL | how? |
| 17:28.21 | Victor1 | JyZyXEL: mount -o loop ? |
| 17:28.30 | JyZyXEL | how do you reference to a loop device partition |
| 17:28.58 | jordanm | JyZyXEL: mount /dev/loop0 /mnt/foobar |
| 17:29.10 | JyZyXEL | no thats the device |
| 17:29.18 | jordanm | if you want to mount an image as a loop device you use -o loop like Victor1 said |
| 17:29.19 | JyZyXEL | i want to mount a partition |
| 17:29.22 | JyZyXEL | not the device |
| 17:29.43 | jordanm | JyZyXEL: whats the case here? an disk image with multiple partitions? |
| 17:29.51 | JyZyXEL | yes |
| 17:30.17 | JyZyXEL | its a full disk dump |
| 17:30.43 | jordanm | file backups are usually suitable... |
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| 17:31.04 | jordanm | JyZyXEL: anyways, I have no idea |
| 17:31.34 | aixenv | hey guys, im curious what ppls take on 2.6 and SWAP is, we've been seeing issues with swap and there's a discussion of turning it off |
| 17:31.51 | aixenv | has anyone experience issues ssimiliar to swap not working like it used to with v 2.4 kern? |
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| 17:32.24 | JyZyXEL | i was hoping someone would have an idea |
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| 17:32.45 | abrotman | aixenv: are you from the year 2004 ? |
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| 17:32.56 | aixenv | haha |
| 17:33.05 | aixenv | i wish i'd be 6yrs younger |
| 17:33.20 | Victor1 | JyZyXEL: Only one idea: get a another harddrive and write image, then mount partition... |
| 17:33.43 | aixenv | care to qualify that response? |
| 17:33.43 | Victor1 | Maybe will work from BR-device. |
| 17:33.49 | abrotman | aixenv: you can change the swappiness .. there are tunables |
| 17:33.51 | jordanm | aixenv: 2.4 kernels have not been supported for a while |
| 17:34.04 | mordocai | So i have a testing/unstable mix with debian AMD64. The guides for debian testing/unstable at http://wiki.winehq.org/WineOn64bit don't appear to work any longer. Does anyone know if there is a "new way" to get the 32-bit libraries for wine? |
| 17:34.16 | jordanm | not in debian atleast. Centos/RHEL still support version 3 which runs 2.4 |
| 17:34.47 | aixenv | jordanm: i realize that I was just giving that as an example with how swap performed |
| 17:34.49 | jordanm | mordocai: ask #wine |
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| 17:35.35 | aixenv | any documentation you can give me on tuning the "swappiness" ? |
| 17:35.40 | aixenv | or a link or some advice |
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| 17:35.49 | jordanm | aixenv: http://lwn.net/Articles/383162/ |
| 17:36.13 | JyZyXEL | Victor1: thats not very good idea |
| 17:36.18 | roscoeshark | hello, i'm trying to load the latest version of the ftdi_sio under debian lenny |
| 17:36.22 | abrotman | aixenv: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=tune+vm+swappiness&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai= .. tons of articles |
| 17:36.30 | roscoeshark | what's the best / easiest way to go about this? |
| 17:36.30 | jordanm | aixenv: what version of debian are you running this 2.4 kernel on? |
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| 17:36.49 | Victor1 | JyZyXEL: I know. But i have more ideas... |
| 17:36.49 | roscoeshark | i'm currently compiling the latest vanilla kernel |
| 17:36.51 | roscoeshark | but it's taking forever |
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| 17:37.03 | roscoeshark | and it occurred to me that i could probably upgrade to the kernel image in sid |
| 17:37.07 | jordanm | roscoeshark: install the backports kernel |
| 17:37.13 | JyZyXEL | how about an idea how to reference to loop device partitions |
| 17:37.16 | jordanm | !tell roscoeshark about bpo |
| 17:37.19 | jordanm | !tell roscoeshark about enter |
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| 17:38.19 | aixenv | jordanm: no you misunderstood , we're mostly etch/lenny (a few sarge sprinkled around sad i know ..) i was just simply comparing how ive seen swap behave pre 2.6 |
| 17:39.01 | jordanm | aixenv: well, I believe that article I linked you to discusses that specifically |
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| 17:39.05 | aixenv | we've seen quite a few issues where once it starts swapping enough to notice it'll eat the machine alive |
| 17:39.16 | aixenv | the anon_vma? |
| 17:39.18 | aixenv | reading |
| 17:39.21 | jordanm | aixenv: add more RAM... reduce RAM usage |
| 17:39.32 | aixenv | right that's my stance, not removing swap |
| 17:39.59 | aixenv | "swap hinders nothing, and can help in the event a system is over taxed, GRANTED having sufficient memory/ proper programming / etc is more important than swap" |
| 17:40.00 | jordanm | aixenv: removing swap could cause the machine or applications to crash instead of just running slowly |
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| 17:40.20 | aixenv | im on board with you, im just tryign to understand the other point of view |
| 17:40.48 | valdyn | aixenv: understand? |
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| 17:40.57 | Martijn_ | Hello I'm running http://pastebin.org/203509 and I get the following error: not a valid identifierJAVA_HOME . Does anyone have experience with that? |
| 17:40.58 | roscoeshark | jordanm: thanks. is there anything special i need to do before installing linux-image-2.6-686 from backports? or it should bring in all necessary packages and set everything up the way apt-get normally does with regular kernel packages |
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| 17:41.35 | wildc4rd | evenin' all |
| 17:41.36 | valdyn | aixenv: desktop users often *dont* want the benefit of swap to get a low maximum latency |
| 17:41.37 | aixenv | valdyn: i thought some of you guys might have that same point of view as some of my cohorts.. and i was trying to understand why they feel this would be a valid solution |
| 17:41.39 | jordanm | roscoeshark: installing the package and rebooting should be plenty. Make sure you read the instructions on the backports websites because apt will not pull in backports by default |
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| 17:41.54 | roscoeshark | right, i found that. thanks a lot |
| 17:41.57 | aixenv | strictly speaking in a server environment |
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| 17:42.26 | valdyn | aixenv: "server" does not define your latency tolerance, even though its usually higher than on desktops |
| 17:42.38 | Martijn_ | valdyn, could you take a look at my question? |
| 17:43.13 | aixenv | getting rid of swap to me just seems silly, like i stated, we shoudl definitely make sure boxes have enough physical memory, and also a thought towards the quality of the coding/queries(lack of indexes potentially etc) is something to consider, but i dont see any valid reason to turn swap off, and thought i might get some devils advocate opinions here |
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| 17:43.32 | The_ManU_212 | hi |
| 17:43.38 | The_ManU_212 | Calling BLKDISCARD from 0 to 106073948160 failed. |
| 17:43.45 | valdyn | Martijn_: JAVA_HOME is not being set anywhere |
| 17:44.02 | Martijn_ | valdyn, how do I set this? I'm new to java in debian |
| 17:44.02 | The_ManU_212 | getting this error when formatting with ext4 or isnt it an error and only for ssd devices like described here? |
| 17:44.15 | valdyn | Martijn_: this is a bash script, not java |
| 17:44.16 | The_ManU_212 | http://e2fsprogs.sourceforge.net/e2fsprogs-release.html |
| 17:44.35 | Martijn_ | valdyn, I know that but I need to set he JAVA_HOME variable. |
| 17:44.40 | valdyn | Martijn_: line 6 has # which comments out your JAVA_HOME |
| 17:45.06 | Martijn_ | thanks valdyn, I overlooked |
| 17:45.46 | jordanm | The_ManU_212: what version of debian? |
| 17:45.53 | valdyn | Martijn_: im not sure what it is in debian, probably /usr/lib/jvm/default-java or somesuch |
| 17:46.14 | The_ManU_212 | jordanm: lenny, but no standard ekrnel |
| 17:46.42 | valdyn | Martijn_: that script is silly when you just want to run /usr/bin/java where it shows $JAVA_HOME/bin/java |
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| 17:47.11 | jordanm | The_ManU_212: what kernel? vanilla compiled? |
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| 17:47.51 | valdyn | aixenv: when you do large i/o operations then your applications may be swapped out |
| 17:47.54 | The_ManU_212 | jordanm: yes 2.6.32 |
| 17:48.15 | valdyn | aixenv: which can cause huge latencies for a relatively small benefit to the large io operation |
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| 17:49.02 | aixenv | valdyn; understandable, but wouldnt you say the solution would be 1) more physical ram 2) analyze problematic queries/ add indexes 3) proper code? |
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| 17:49.10 | valdyn | aixenv: theres plenty use cases where that latency is not acceptable |
| 17:49.21 | valdyn | aixenv: no amount of ram can fix this |
| 17:49.34 | jordanm | The_ManU_212: using lenny's e2fsprogs? |
| 17:49.39 | valdyn | aixenv: only disallowing the senstive applications to be swapped out can |
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| 17:49.42 | Martijn_ | valdyn, my java seems to be located in /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun-1.6.0.12 |
| 17:49.49 | Martijn_ | valdyn, is that odd or not? |
| 17:50.04 | aixenv | Martijn_: that looks wrong |
| 17:50.06 | valdyn | Martijn_: no, the path i showed you is a symlink to one of your installed jvms |
| 17:50.23 | aixenv | Martijn_: for example mine is "export JAVA_HOME=/usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/jre" |
| 17:50.52 | valdyn | aixenv: no |
| 17:51.03 | valdyn | aixenv: in his context JAVA_HOME might be used wrongly, i have nfc |
| 17:51.10 | aixenv | ah ok |
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| 17:51.48 | valdyn | aixenv: hm, nevermnid |
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| 17:52.00 | valdyn | Martijn_: look where your java binary is |
| 17:52.13 | aixenv | valdyn: ok but basically what im grasping from your comments, it's it's just entirely dependent upon the app, so there COULD be situations where having swap off on a highly IO dependent app was beneficial, but a policy of across the board swap off would be a knee jerk/wrong reaction; am i understanding your stance properly? |
| 17:52.15 | valdyn | seems like its indeed in the jre directory |
| 17:52.32 | aixenv | s/it's/is |
| 17:53.07 | valdyn | aixenv: play game, pause, copy some dvds, resume game |
| 17:53.24 | valdyn | aixenv: in that use case with swap you would have to wait for the game to be swapped back in |
| 17:53.26 | Martijn_ | valdyn, my java binary in my bin folder within a java folder right? |
| 17:53.37 | The_ManU_212 | jordanm: 1.41.11-1 |
| 17:54.04 | aixenv | Martijn_: use the JAVA_HOME example i gave you, except on yours just add /jre |
| 17:54.13 | Martijn_ | I got it |
| 17:54.16 | aixenv | the apps know there will bea /bin inside so you dont have to specify the /bin |
| 17:54.22 | valdyn | aixenv: but swapping out that game gave zero benefit because the dvd burner is slow anyway |
| 17:54.33 | Martijn_ | aixenv /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun-1.6.0.12/jre/ indeed |
| 17:54.40 | aixenv | Martijn_: yes sir :) |
| 17:55.15 | jordanm | The_ManU_212: that is the version from squeeze/sid... did you backport it or are you mixing releases? |
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| 17:56.17 | jordanm | ,depends e2fsprogs --release sid |
| 17:56.18 | judd | e2fsprogs -- depends: None. |
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| 17:56.51 | valdyn | aixenv: but in a professional setup normally the developers or admins will simply optimise the apps directly with mlock |
| 17:56.57 | Martijn_ | aixenv, still malfunctioning :/ |
| 17:57.26 | aixenv | echo $JAVA_HOME |
| 17:57.30 | Martijn_ | aixenv, I'm using http://pastebin.org/203532 now |
| 17:57.52 | Martijn_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:57.59 | aixenv | try this |
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| 17:58.23 | aixenv | try and "export JAVA_HOME=/usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun-1.6.0.12/jre" |
| 17:58.47 | Martijn_ | it returns the call now |
| 17:58.52 | Martijn_ | with the echo |
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| 17:59.07 | aixenv | try agian |
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| 17:59.44 | Martijn_ | aixenv do I still need to define it in the script? |
| 18:00.12 | aixenv | not necessarily if it's set on the server |
| 18:00.18 | aixenv | does the app work now? |
| 18:00.39 | DexterF | hi |
| 18:00.41 | jordanm | I missed the beginning of this discussion... but shouldn't this be handled by update-java-alternatives? |
| 18:00.47 | abrotman | aixenv: did you see those swappiness tunings ? |
| 18:00.55 | abrotman | !update-java-alternatives |
| 18:00.56 | dpkg | Rather than using update-alternatives (or galternatives) to set each individual alternative for java (and there are lots of them!), use update-java-alternatives. To see a list of the valid java alternatives, use "update-java-alternatives --list". To select the sun-java6 java runtime environment, "update-java-alternatives --set java-6-sun". |
| 18:01.03 | Martijn_ | ': not a valid identifierJAVA_HOME |
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| 18:01.22 | jordanm | Martijn_: see the factoid above |
| 18:01.36 | DexterF | need a lil help with compiling deb packages. I checked out a xine-lib svn branch, has the debian dir all set up and compiels, but I need to fumble another switch in - but where? |
| 18:01.49 | dutchfish | will KDE 4.3.4 reach squeeze before freeze kicks in? |
| 18:02.00 | DexterF | rules apparently, but there's no such thing as a line "put config switches here" |
| 18:02.29 | jordanm | DexterF: rules is a Makefile... you can write stuff in it... |
| 18:02.50 | jordanm | DexterF: make sure you have read the NMG and download some other packages to view as examples |
| 18:02.56 | abrotman | dutchfish: considering .. pretty much nothing is frozen and there's still a python2.6 transition coming ? |
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| 18:02.58 | Guim | Hi. How can I specify options so that when I use 'service <name> start' instead of '<name> -options <parameters>', 'service <name> start' will just use those parameters that I specify without having to specify them each time? |
| 18:03.00 | Martijn_ | abrotman, I'm getting jdk alternative does not exist: errors |
| 18:03.02 | dutchfish | correction i meant KDE 4.4.3 |
| 18:03.10 | DexterF | jordanm: "NMG"? |
| 18:03.13 | abrotman | Martijn_: pastebin ? |
| 18:03.18 | abrotman | !tell DexterF about nmg |
| 18:03.36 | dutchfish | abrotman: ok, thanks |
| 18:03.39 | jordanm | Guim: edit the init script to start the service with the needed options |
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| 18:04.05 | Martijn_ | abrotman http://pastebin.org/203539 |
| 18:04.23 | The_ManU_212 | jordanm: backport |
| 18:04.24 | abrotman | Maulkin: Is there another release update coming soon? With possible hints about what is holding up the freeze? |
| 18:04.29 | jordanm | Guim: most of the time stanzas in a config file will replace CLI options however... it is not likely you actually have to do that |
| 18:04.38 | Guim | jordanm: "for a newbie" should probably be in that question |
| 18:04.47 | Guim | jordanm: just looks like code to me :p |
| 18:04.49 | abrotman | Martijn_: why is everythign kind of truncated ? |
| 18:05.10 | jordanm | The_ManU_212: I would try using the .32 kernel from backports. If it still fails, consider a bug report |
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| 18:05.27 | abrotman | Martijn_: which version is 'sun-java6-sdk' ? |
| 18:05.38 | jordanm | Guim: I would have expected a newbie to install the package for `service` command.... |
| 18:06.06 | jordanm | Guim: debian has invoke-rc.d, the service stuff is just there for people who are more familar with RHEL administration |
| 18:06.12 | Guim | jordanm: where should i add the options i want it to run each time :o |
| 18:06.35 | jordanm | Guim: what service and options are we talking about. what are you _really_ trying to do? |
| 18:06.38 | Martijn_ | abrotman how do I check that again? |
| 18:06.43 | The_ManU_212 | jordanm: whats the reason of this error? |
| 18:07.05 | abrotman | Martijn_: dpkg -l sun* |
| 18:07.11 | abrotman | well .. dpkg -l "sun*" |
| 18:07.18 | jordanm | The_ManU_212: I am not sure... but there was a nasty bug related to ext4 in upstream kernel recently. don't know it is related |
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| 18:08.14 | Martijn_ | abrotman http://pastebin.org/203543 |
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| 18:08.42 | Guim | jordanm: Instead of typing '<program> -option <parameter> each time I want to start it, I want 'service <program> start' to run default with -option <parameter> |
| 18:08.45 | aixenv | maybe he needs jdk |
| 18:08.57 | jordanm | !xy problem |
| 18:08.57 | dpkg | [xyproblem] People often falsely diagnose problems because they are looking too closely at a problem: they have got stuck at a particular point (Y) doing something (X) and so ask about step Y, not realising that there is an easier or better way to do X in the first place. See http://mywiki.wooledge.org/XyProblem or http://homepages.tesco.net/J.deBoynePollard/FGA/put-down-the-chocolate-covered-banana.html |
| 18:09.22 | jordanm | Guim: you keep telling me about "Y"... I want to know about "X" |
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| 18:09.57 | raphi_ | hi, I'm currently facing an issue that I can't navigate within pcmanfm or thunar. I can double-click on a folder, but afterwards I'm stuck, can't even select an element. Is anyone aware of a bug/workaround? |
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| 18:10.01 | Martijn_ | installing jdk now .. done |
| 18:10.13 | Guim | ??? that is my question ^ how to specify default options when using service start |
| 18:10.15 | raphi_ | pcmanfm works as long as I open a new tab for every folder.. |
| 18:10.31 | jordanm | Guim: what service do you want to change options for? what options? |
| 18:11.01 | aixenv | valdyn / jordanm: i understand my cohorts point of view now, not sure i agree but i understand it, basically in a webhosting env / our experience has been either a box crashing due to hardware or swap, his stance is, if we turn off swap the app will crash as opposed to using up all the resources so the machine "blows up" thus becoming unresponsive, and we could just have some watchdog services restart said app when this would occur as opposed to having to r |
| 18:11.07 | jordanm | Guim: I am trying to say that giving CLI options is likely not the right way to do it... but I will never know until you stop witholding information |
| 18:11.44 | Martijn_ | aixenv abrotman: http://pastebin.org/203546 |
| 18:12.07 | jordanm | aixenv: even ECC server RAM is pretty dirt cheap... |
| 18:12.31 | Guim | jordanm: ok. Instead of typing 'rbldnsd zone:dataset' to start rbldnsd. i want service start to do it automagically |
| 18:12.41 | aixenv | the box gets a runaway misconfigured web/database process and that makes the sserver blast into swap and then blow up by removing swap we could just use those watch dog processes to restart said app and prevent the major "blow up" |
| 18:13.08 | aixenv | jordanm: i realize that we usually have quite a bit of ram in boxes, but no amount of ram as you guys stated will fix crappy coded apps |
| 18:13.52 | jordanm | aixenv: that is true |
| 18:14.08 | aixenv | Martijn_: i wasnt really privvy to the beginning of what your objective is, if you want to fill me in , ill see if i can assist |
| 18:14.34 | aixenv | i guess i just worry about those situations that could "self correct" and where tempororarily going into swap makes having swap advantageous |
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| 18:15.09 | Martijn_ | aixenv, I'm a run.sh script that calls to JAVA_HOME variable. And I can't get it running. |
| 18:15.33 | Martijn_ | aixenv, I'm getting the error not a valid identifierJAVA_HOME |
| 18:15.36 | jordanm | Guim: likely a configuration in /etc/default/rbldnsd |
| 18:16.12 | Martijn_ | aixenv, this is the script http://pastebin.org/203556 |
| 18:16.16 | opssysarch | hello, i would like to set the background color in mutt to be white/black than the current white/grey that i get when i launch it. i have read http://www.mutt.org/doc/manual/manual-3.html#ss3.7 and can't find the right option to do so. would appreciate some help. |
| 18:16.22 | Guim | jordanm: xy++ ;p |
| 18:16.23 | aixenv | Martijn_: but why what is this script supposed to do ? |
| 18:16.27 | Guim | thanks |
| 18:16.40 | jordanm | Guim: np :) |
| 18:16.52 | Guim | jordanm: is a NS record required for the server running rbldnsd? or just A? |
| 18:17.41 | Martijn_ | aixenv load a java application |
| 18:17.47 | Martijn_ | it's not my script tbh |
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| 18:18.49 | |tpocra| | I chrooted to my installed base system from the d-i, and now I want /dev/ to show my hard drives... |
| 18:19.07 | |tpocra| | Can I make it rescan the disks in the system so /dev/sda and /dev/sdb will appear? |
| 18:19.19 | |tpocra| | proc is mounted, so there is some stuff in /dev/, but not my HDDs |
| 18:19.26 | |tpocra| | I need to install GRUB this way |
| 18:19.45 | JordiGH | Uhm, is there a static libgl.a somewhere? |
| 18:19.59 | aixenv | Martijn_: ok looking |
| 18:20.06 | Martijn_ | aixenv I fixed the first error |
| 18:20.18 | Martijn_ | there was a $ missing so it wouldn't call JAVA_HOME |
| 18:20.20 | aixenv | ok well you see the commented out JAVA_HOME like valdyn or someone pointed out? |
| 18:20.33 | aixenv | did you uncomment that and set your JAVA_HOME there? |
| 18:20.35 | Martijn_ | but appearently my JAVA_HOME isn't right. My JAVA_HOME is already edfined |
| 18:20.36 | raphi_ | tpocra: mount --bind /dev/ /target/dev |
| 18:20.56 | Martijn_ | devined to /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun-1.6.0.12/jre |
| 18:21.03 | |tpocra| | raphi_: To be executed OUTSIDE of the chroot? |
| 18:21.10 | aixenv | Martijn_: send me a copy of the script that you defined the JAVA_HOME then |
| 18:21.11 | jordanm | Guim: every zone should have a valid NS record |
| 18:21.15 | raphi_ | tpocra, yes |
| 18:21.24 | Martijn_ | however that doesn't seem to be the right location because I get: identifier/usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun-1.6.0.12/jre |
| 18:21.35 | Martijn_ | or actually |
| 18:21.41 | jordanm | Guim: likely this record will be itself if we are talking about an internal-only DNS server |
| 18:21.43 | Martijn_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:21.44 | |tpocra| | Fuck yeah, you rule. |
| 18:22.27 | Martijn_ | aixenv, I did what you said to define it :P |
| 18:22.28 | aixenv | Martijn_: send me the script where you modified that line #6 |
| 18:22.37 | Martijn_ | [19:58] <aixenv> try and "export JAVA_HOME=/usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun-1.6.0.12/jre" |
| 18:22.45 | Martijn_ | erm sure |
| 18:22.51 | aixenv | let's do it within the script as well, also send me the output of "find / -name 'java' -print |
| 18:22.57 | Guim | jordanm: ok thanks! |
| 18:23.30 | Martijn_ | aixenv http://pastebin.org/203564 and it returns http://pastebin.org/203569 |
| 18:23.55 | opssysarch | quit |
| 18:23.57 | aixenv | that isnt right buddy |
| 18:24.04 | aixenv | hang on |
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| 18:24.34 | Martijn_ | aixenv http://pastebin.org/203570 on find / -name 'java' -print |
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| 18:25.47 | aixenv | try this http://pastebin.org/203572 |
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| 18:26.50 | iuri | Hi there, filename and directories have their names changed by debian filesystem. I believe the reason is becuase they have special chars such as ç ã á and debian does not recognize them |
| 18:27.28 | Martijn_ | aixenv doesn't #11 has to be export CLASSPATH $JAVA_HOME instead of export CLASSPATH JAVA_HOME |
| 18:27.28 | Martijn_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:27.57 | simonrvn | well i doubt whatever fs you have there would change the filenames .... |
| 18:28.01 | JordiGH | Wtf, is there no libGL.a? |
| 18:28.12 | aixenv | Martijn_: neg |
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| 18:28.43 | jordanm | JordiGH: libgl1-mesa-swx11-dev: /usr/lib/libGL.a |
| 18:28.44 | aixenv | you're exporting the classpath also if that was the case you'd do export $CLASSPATH |
| 18:28.49 | jordanm | !tell JordiGH about apt-file |
| 18:29.05 | JordiGH | jordanm: Hm, it wasn't showing up in p.d.o |
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| 18:29.30 | JordiGH | Oy, was looking in the wrong place. |
| 18:29.35 | aixenv | if you were doing something like "export PATH=$PATH:/some/path" |
| 18:29.52 | Martijn_ | aixenv your returns http://pastebin.org/203576 and with the #11 edit: http://pastebin.org/203577 |
| 18:30.18 | JordiGH | Oh, nice, it's gonna mess up the nvidia. |
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| 18:30.47 | aixenv | ok try adding /jre to the end of the path |
| 18:31.00 | aixenv | in the script |
| 18:31.03 | aixenv | on JAVA_HOME |
| 18:31.10 | simonrvn | the nvidia *might* have a -dev pkg but last time i used it i had to use the mesa -dev stuff... |
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| 18:31.52 | Martijn_ | aixenv still same |
| 18:32.31 | aixenv | ok my thought is your java isnt workign or this script is just borked |
| 18:32.37 | aixenv | lets test your java one second |
| 18:32.41 | JordiGH | simonrvn: Yeah, I think that's what's going to happen. |
| 18:33.06 | simonrvn | !blame nvidia |
| 18:33.06 | dpkg | blames thekid and nvidia for the end of the Internet as we know it |
| 18:33.44 | roscoeshark | !blame testing |
| 18:33.44 | dpkg | blames h2oman and testing for the end of life as we know it |
| 18:33.55 | roscoeshark | does it select a random person for hte first one? |
| 18:34.01 | simonrvn | yes |
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| 18:34.20 | aixenv | Martijn_ : try this: http://pastebin.org/203589 |
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| 18:34.53 | roscoeshark | looks like a bash comment in a java program? |
| 18:35.08 | aixenv | thats just comments / instructions |
| 18:35.15 | aixenv | to be ommitted in the program |
| 18:35.24 | roscoeshark | right, but that won't compile if he copies it |
| 18:35.37 | aixenv | well he's working with java, so i figured he'd know that, but good point |
| 18:35.38 | roscoeshark | # = bash comment, // = java comment |
| 18:35.42 | aixenv | Martijn_: leave out the comments |
| 18:35.46 | roscoeshark | just being difficult :) |
| 18:35.55 | aixenv | i know this, i wasnt meaning for that to even be part of the script |
| 18:35.55 | roscoeshark | well, if he needed to see a hello world |
| 18:35.58 | roscoeshark | i'd assume he didn't know that |
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| 18:37.32 | aixenv | Martijn_: is this lenny? if so give me a url i can wget this app and ill get it working on a test vps |
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| 18:38.31 | Martijn_ | aixenv this is lenny. I created a file .java and called it but just opens a new command line. Anyway I get you a link |
| 18:38.43 | Martijn_ | it might be that I totally messed up java though. |
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| 18:39.31 | Martijn_ | aixenv http://www.deaded.com/filemgmt_data/files/AnnounceCaster-2.1.zip |
| 18:39.31 | Martijn_ | it's an IRC bot btw |
| 18:40.37 | aixenv | Martijn_: that's my suspicion with the "un" in your dpkg |
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| 18:42.27 | Martijn_ | aixenv are you testing it ? |
| 18:42.35 | aixenv | yes |
| 18:42.45 | aixenv | im at the hospital so inet is really slow, im ssh'n to a test vps now hang tight |
| 18:42.47 | aixenv | might have to install java |
| 18:42.53 | aixenv | you're on 5.0.4 right? |
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| 18:43.40 | greedo | what does ICEauthority do? |
| 18:43.47 | Martijn_ | aixenv I'm on the latest indeed |
| 18:44.54 | greedo | I have a very annoying error message: Could not update ICEauthority file /home/username/.ICEauthority |
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| 18:45.46 | flo` | hi |
| 18:46.00 | flo` | has debian lenny a ffmpeg package with libmp3lame support? |
| 18:46.04 | simonrvn | !dmm |
| 18:46.04 | dpkg | somebody said dmm was Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm lenny> <dmm squeeze>. During 2010, this repo grew a non-free part and all the binary-only packages moved there, so you might have to add " non-free" to your sources lines. |
| 18:46.10 | simonrvn | ^^^ flo` |
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| 18:47.44 | Martijn_ | any update aixenv ? |
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| 18:48.20 | aixenv | sorry one second, was talin to nurse |
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| 18:51.56 | Martijn_ | aixenv ok |
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| 18:52.13 | askhader | How can I determine through aptitude what versions of a package is available? |
| 18:52.15 | aixenv | ok looking i need to install java |
| 18:52.21 | aixenv | did you do it from apt-get or did you try and do it manually |
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| 18:52.42 | aixenv | askhader: apt-cache show $pkg |
| 18:52.43 | askhader | aixenv: apt-get |
| 18:52.51 | askhader | It only shows the installed version. |
| 18:53.04 | aixenv | askhader: apt-cache show $pkg |
| 18:53.13 | moes | Have harddrive with Debian Lenny and Ubuntu Hardy gparted list /dev/sdb1 and/dev/sdb6 How to I find which sdb is Lenny |
| 18:53.34 | askhader | aixenv: This shows only the version of the installed package |
| 18:53.43 | aixenv | apt-cache show $pkg does not |
| 18:53.55 | aixenv | it shows any avaialable pkgs with $pkg in their name available in a repo |
| 18:54.03 | aixenv | dpkg -l |grep $pkg would show installed |
| 18:54.03 | dpkg | ii |grep $pkg would show installed 3.4-5.3 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 18:54.11 | aixenv | heh |
| 18:54.25 | aixenv | dpkg does that not apt-cache show (i use it every day) |
| 18:54.25 | dpkg | aixenv: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
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| 18:54.51 | Martijn_ | aixenv I got it from aptitude |
| 18:54.57 | aixenv | Martijn_: k |
| 18:54.58 | askhader | dpkg: They have a repository there? |
| 18:55.00 | dpkg | askhader: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
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| 18:55.11 | _Dave123_ | is there a way to see what services are started (that listen on a port) like there is net start in windows? |
| 18:55.50 | cahoot | lsof -i or netstat |
| 18:56.16 | aixenv | askhader: if you want to see the potential versions/possiblities of a given pkg to install based on your repo list, 'apt-cache show $foo' does just that |
| 18:56.27 | Martijn_ | aixenv, can we continue in query? I need to be a bit afk and I don't want to miss anything. |
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| 18:56.41 | aixenv | Martijn_: sure pm me |
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| 18:56.46 | aixenv | im building up java now |
| 18:57.10 | askhader | aixenv: Under what heading? I see no such field. |
| 18:57.20 | aixenv | eh? |
| 18:57.31 | aixenv | askhader: whats the debian package you want to query? |
| 18:57.38 | askhader | aixenv: xserver-xorg-video-radeo |
| 18:57.43 | askhader | n |
| 18:57.58 | aixenv | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:58.44 | aixenv | with my apt repo config there's only _one_ possibility, and it displays it as such Version: 1:6.9.0-1+lenny4 |
| 18:58.44 | Anthro | I installed linux-image-2.6.32-5-686 and couldn't run nfs-kernel-server anymore (something about the kernel not supporting NFS). Even loading the nfsd kernel module with modprobe didn't help. I've switched back to my old kernel (2.6.26). Is this a bug, an oversight, or is there some new, hot way of serving NFS? |
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| 18:58.52 | askhader | aixenv: Ah |
| 18:59.14 | moes | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:59.20 | roscoeshark | Anthro: out of which repo? sid? |
| 18:59.36 | roscoeshark | i just installed 2.6.32 out of lenny-backports and it worked nicely |
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| 18:59.52 | Anthro | roscoeshark: I believe it was from sid. Let me check apt-cache policy... |
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| 19:00.03 | roscoeshark | are you running sid on your system? |
| 19:00.04 | jordanm | ,kernels |
| 19:00.05 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.33-2-686 (2.6.33-1~experimental.4); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-12); squeeze: 2.6.32-3-686 (2.6.32-9); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.4-686 (2.6.32-11~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-21lenny4); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
| 19:00.07 | roscoeshark | or did you just pull that one package |
| 19:00.12 | aixenv | moes: if you boot one or the other and df -h you'll see whichever mounted as / |
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| 19:00.19 | ToreadorVampire | !nvidia |
| 19:00.20 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Testing users: ask me about <nvidia squeeze>. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net). |
| 19:00.31 | jordanm | !tell Anthro about sid |
| 19:00.32 | Anthro | roscoeshark: Mostly lenny, with a couple of packages from testing/unstable. |
| 19:00.49 | Anthro | jordanm: Yes, thanks, I'm aware. |
| 19:00.52 | roscoeshark | Anthro: try the one from backports. |
| 19:00.57 | jordanm | Anthro: mixing releases is highly not recommended |
| 19:01.13 | Anthro | roscoeshark: Okay, thanks. I'll look into it. |
| 19:01.43 | roscoeshark | yay for passing along knowledge :) |
| 19:01.59 | Anthro | jordanm: It's worked for me for years, but thanks for the tip. |
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| 19:02.16 | aixenv | mixing releases unless absolutely necessary is dangerous :) |
| 19:02.35 | roscoeshark | so that would imply that it's not dangerous if absolutely necessary? |
| 19:02.54 | roscoeshark | i would say, mixing releases is dangerous, and should not be done unless absolutely necessary :) |
| 19:02.57 | Anthro | roscoeshark: Yep, looks like I got it from sid. |
| 19:02.59 | moes | aixenv, Thanks it showed which one was booted |
| 19:03.09 | aixenv | if you have a client saying i need xyz and they pay you 600/mth and you're running lenny and the only way to find it is in sid for the version they want, then its necessary.. money talks |
| 19:03.13 | aixenv | moes: np |
| 19:03.45 | aixenv | roscoeshark: you remind me of one of those grammar nazis on sherdog :P |
| 19:03.46 | jordanm | aixenv: you can backport the packages into lenny without actually mixing releases |
| 19:03.58 | roscoeshark | :) that is semantics, not grammar |
| 19:04.02 | aixenv | jordanm: if it exists in backports |
| 19:04.09 | aixenv | rests his case |
| 19:04.13 | jordanm | aixenv: you can backport it yourself |
| 19:04.18 | jordanm | !tell aixenv about ssb |
| 19:04.24 | _Dave123_ | cahoot: no likely that any other services are running (more specific listening on port) than those i get when i do 'sudo lsof -i' ? |
| 19:04.26 | roscoeshark | !tell me about ssb |
| 19:04.51 | aixenv | !tell roscoeshark about ssb |
| 19:04.56 | abrotman | !tell roscoeshark about selftell |
| 19:04.56 | aixenv | chuckles |
| 19:05.21 | roscoeshark | lol |
| 19:05.25 | roscoeshark | why does the me keyword work then? |
| 19:05.43 | aixenv | _Dave123_: netstat -t -l --inet or lsof -i or lsof -p $PID, or netstat -uplanet etc.. are good ways |
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| 19:05.57 | abrotman | dpkg: love me |
| 19:05.57 | dpkg | makes love to abrotman, caressing abrotman's hair, whispering sweet nothings in abrotman's ear... |
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| 19:06.40 | aixenv | wonders if dpkg would love him |
| 19:06.54 | roscoeshark | where is the source to the dpkg bot? |
| 19:07.27 | JordiGH | dpkg, what are you? |
| 19:07.27 | dpkg | I am an infobot. For more info see <infobot>. |
| 19:07.37 | jordanm | roscoeshark: it just uses an expression (.*?) to match the name. I imagine "me" is included for other commands using the same expression |
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| 19:07.44 | JordiGH | I wish every bot responded to that question. |
| 19:07.46 | _Dave123_ | aixenv: tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:25 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 0 4473 2156/exim4 |
| 19:07.46 | jordanm | !tell roscoeshark about dpkgbot |
| 19:07.52 | _Dave123_ | this is listening, i dont need this and dont use it |
| 19:08.02 | aixenv | _Dave123_: you dont use email? |
| 19:08.03 | _Dave123_ | aixenv: any way you know how i can disable it and completely wipe it |
| 19:08.07 | _Dave123_ | aixenv: not on this vm |
| 19:08.28 | jordanm | _Dave123_: uninstall exim4 or disable to service |
| 19:09.44 | aixenv | _Dave123_ well first you could update-rc.d -f exim4 remove (but ya just apt-get uninstall exim4) |
| 19:09.51 | abrotman | !why an mta |
| 19:09.51 | dpkg | An MTA should be on most Unix(ish) systems to provide a way for various services to deliver asynchronous system or error messages. This includes things like cron and at (to give you the output of jobs) and various daemons (e.g. the init script of MySQL). The MTA does not have to listen to network ports so spam and security issues are largely irrelevant. See also <nullmailer>. |
| 19:10.59 | JordiGH | Yeah, I was really wtf'ed when I saw that Ubuntu doesn't have an MTA. |
| 19:11.01 | _Dave123_ | aixenv: apt-get purche exim4 is better? |
| 19:11.19 | abrotman | _Dave123_: you're going to break other stuff if you remove it |
| 19:11.55 | abrotman | _Dave123_: it's much better to use a program like nullmailer or ssmtp |
| 19:12.00 | aixenv | _Dave123_: i wouldnt remove your MTA, simply use iptables if anything to block |
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| 19:12.34 | abrotman | exim4 doesn't listen on external interfaces by default .. and his paste above shows that |
| 19:13.00 | aixenv | basically there's no reason to remove it , it doesno harm and you never know when u might want to mail yourself some scripts/output/logs etc |
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| 19:13.38 | jordanm | premotes use of logwatch |
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| 19:22.59 | _Dave123_ | aixenv: i just dont need to email |
| 19:23.27 | _Dave123_ | aixenv: so you would no matter what not recommend to apt-get uninstall exim4 ? |
| 19:23.51 | abrotman | _Dave123_: i'd say to install nullmailer instead |
| 19:24.14 | _Dave123_ | why nullmailer? i dont need an mta, since its not a webserver |
| 19:25.16 | jordanm | _Dave123_: MTAs are not just for webservers... did you not read the factoid earlier? |
| 19:25.27 | _Dave123_ | factoid? |
| 19:25.33 | jordanm | !why an mta |
| 19:25.33 | dpkg | An MTA should be on most Unix(ish) systems to provide a way for various services to deliver asynchronous system or error messages. This includes things like cron and at (to give you the output of jobs) and various daemons (e.g. the init script of MySQL). The MTA does not have to listen to network ports so spam and security issues are largely irrelevant. See also <nullmailer>. |
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| 19:26.40 | abrotman | glossed right over that ... |
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| 19:28.05 | ToreadorVampire | !nvidia |
| 19:28.05 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Testing users: ask me about <nvidia squeeze>. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net). |
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| 19:28.44 | splig | hi there!! can somebody help me out with udev rules?? it found the device but not runs the program it supposed to do |
| 19:29.09 | Smiley | Can someone suggest something lightwight to browse samba shares? (dont mind cmdline as long as its intutitive. |
| 19:29.42 | ToreadorVampire | Smiley: Uh, cifs + fstab + the mount command |
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| 19:29.57 | splig | can somebody help me out with udev rules?? it found the device but not runs the program it supposed to do |
| 19:29.59 | ToreadorVampire | Smiley: Or, try autofs5 |
| 19:30.00 | Smiley | ToreadorVampire: that'd require knowing the exact location of the share first? |
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| 19:30.16 | ToreadorVampire | Smiley: Ah - you want to browse a workgroup or domain? |
| 19:30.20 | Smiley | workgroup. |
| 19:30.25 | Smiley | i "do" know the location |
| 19:30.32 | Smiley | but i might as well plan ahead for times when I dont. :< |
| 19:30.41 | ToreadorVampire | In which case I use konqueror since it has that functionality builtin |
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| 19:31.03 | Smiley | ok i'll concider it |
| 19:31.14 | Smiley | is suddenly very lazy and just watches on his pc XD |
| 19:32.29 | Smiley | Hope you dont think i was wastin your time |
| 19:32.41 | jhutchins_lt | Smiley: smbclient -L \\domain |
| 19:32.57 | jhutchins_lt | or // domain, whichever works. |
| 19:34.20 | JordiGH | aptitude says: "*** ERROR: search aborted by fatal exception." |
| 19:34.25 | JordiGH | When attempting to install nvidia-glx |
| 19:34.27 | jordanm | jhutchins_lt: I use the // syntax, not sure if the other is valid |
| 19:34.44 | JordiGH | I need to install that with m-a, eh? |
| 19:34.58 | jhutchins_lt | jordanm: Like I said, whichever works, it's less trouble to try than to remember. |
| 19:35.49 | jordanm | JordiGH: no, nvidia-glx is not the kernel module and thus, is not built with m-a. pastebin the full command and output |
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| 19:40.12 | JordiGH | How can I see which packages provide a virtual package? |
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| 19:41.56 | gp5st | i'm getting this error when compiling phylip: draw.h:11:32: error: X11/Xaw/SimpleMenu.h: No such file or directory along with a few others in the Xaw dir. which package contains them? |
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| 19:43.02 | Smiley | tim@Musha ~ $ smbclient -L Peanet |
| 19:43.02 | Smiley | Connection to Peanet failed (Error NT_STATUS_BAD_NETWORK_NAME) |
| 19:43.17 | Smiley | :( |
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| 19:47.48 | jhutchins_lt | Smiley: might want to look at the manpage, "Peanet" is not a valid resource specifier. |
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| 19:49.07 | Smiley | looking |
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| 19:49.44 | jeff_hann | gp5st, some -dev package related to xaw would be my bet |
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| 19:49.50 | |tpocra| | I installed Debian with RAID on my other drives but mdadm was not installed and I just got it, but how do I "refresh" the /dev/ directory so the system can scan and add md0 and md1? |
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| 19:50.08 | gp5st | jeff_hann: well, that's what i thought, but i don't know what package xaw is in |
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| 19:50.44 | jeff_hann | gp5st, aptitude search xaw |
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| 19:51.22 | gp5st | jeff_hann: i guess i'll just install the 2 that lok promsising? |
| 19:51.25 | gp5st | promising* |
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| 19:52.14 | jeff_hann | gp5st, aptitude search xaw | grep dev |
| 19:52.26 | jeff_hann | will indeed yield two results |
| 19:52.30 | gp5st | jeff_hann: I know:-p there are two packages that look like they could be required |
| 19:52.49 | jeff_hann | install and you'll see, I guess :-) |
| 19:52.50 | gp5st | thanks |
| 19:52.59 | gp5st | guess i was just being dumb for a moment:) |
| 19:53.04 | gp5st | that got it to compile |
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| 19:54.23 | jeff_hann | gp5st, glad to hear that |
| 19:54.38 | |tpocra| | Okay so, I tried restarting udev |
| 19:54.43 | jeff_hann | also packages.debian.org helps |
| 19:54.57 | |tpocra| | But I need a way to make md0 and md1 exist in /dev/ *WITHOUT* messing up the data on the arrays |
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| 20:03.00 | SerajewelKS | |tpocra|: i think you have to use the mdadm tools to ask for a rescan of volumes, but i'm not sure |
| 20:03.04 | d0x | Hi, does anybody know a simple usb protocol sniffer? |
| 20:03.17 | streuner_ | why USB? |
| 20:03.36 | Thaxll | wireshark is able to sniff USB |
| 20:03.45 | Thaxll | libpcap so |
| 20:03.46 | SerajewelKS | |tpocra|: as a guess, try googling for mdadm refresh |
| 20:04.02 | SerajewelKS | Thaxll: isn't libpcap for network packets only? |
| 20:04.03 | madsara | d0x: Yeah. |
| 20:04.10 | madsara | No, you can use wireshark |
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| 20:04.16 | madsara | You need libpcap v2 I believe. |
| 20:04.22 | SerajewelKS | hmm interesting |
| 20:04.38 | d0x | madsara: wireshark is able to sniff usb packet? |
| 20:04.39 | d0x | s |
| 20:04.44 | madsara | d0x: Yes. |
| 20:04.45 | Thaxll | yes |
| 20:04.51 | madsara | http://wiki.wireshark.org/CaptureSetup/USB |
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| 20:09.24 | michalxo | hello all! is there a way to "make"/start login screen when waking laptop up from suspend? Anyone can open lid and do stuff with my PC w/o need of knowing password.. |
| 20:09.48 | michalxo | is this normal behavior? In ubuntu you have to type password :-/ |
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| 20:10.19 | SerajewelKS | michalxo: i think you can change this in power management |
| 20:10.44 | Chaos|Baghdad | what do you do when you're bored, starving, tired, sick, and you have no food, but you still have to be up for work in 5 hours? |
| 20:10.46 | nkuttler | michalxo: i simply lock x before sending it to sleep |
| 20:10.50 | SerajewelKS | michalxo: something about "require password when waking up" but i don't have access to a gnome setup at the moment so i can't tell you for sure |
| 20:11.03 | michalxo | SerajewelKS I don't see it here :-/ |
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| 20:12.28 | SerajewelKS | michalxo: hmm. alternatively, set your computer to lock after something like 10 minutes. |
| 20:12.30 | michalxo | I have on "enabled timed login" for me... may this be in conflict with my problem? |
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| 20:13.06 | michalxo | SerajewelKS it will sleep for 9:50 when 10mins would pass :-) |
| 20:13.08 | SerajewelKS | michalxo: if that logs you in after a certain period of time automatically, then yes. an attacker could power down your computer by holding the power button and then just turn it back on. |
| 20:13.52 | michalxo | nah, I mean locking screen.. when waking up from suspend |
| 20:14.25 | SerajewelKS | gnome should lock your screen when it enters suspend automatically. it does here. |
| 20:14.32 | jordanm | SerajewelKS: yes.. but if they are going to do that they might as well: init=/bin/sh and change the password |
| 20:14.51 | SerajewelKS | jordanm: assuming no grub password |
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| 20:15.00 | jordanm | SerajewelKS: and BIOS password |
| 20:15.05 | SerajewelKS | jordanm: of course |
| 20:15.07 | michalxo | guys, please don't take this into "boot" passwords.. |
| 20:15.16 | SerajewelKS | jordanm: trust me, i've got the whole paranoia thing down pat |
| 20:15.18 | michalxo | just wake up from suspend |
| 20:15.40 | SerajewelKS | michalxo: no, not a boot password. a password to prevent someone from dicking with grub. |
| 20:15.42 | michalxo | my gnome does not do that :-( |
| 20:15.50 | jordanm | SerajewelKS: then we can remove the battery, boot a livecd, chroot. Therefore, our drive must be fully encrypted :) |
| 20:15.51 | SerajewelKS | michalxo: if you let them mess with grub then they can bypass all your passwords and get root |
| 20:16.19 | michalxo | SerajewelKS no one here around knowledged enough to do that ;-) |
| 20:16.21 | SerajewelKS | jordanm: if you can get to the CMOS battery on a laptop without anybody noticing then you deserve to have root |
| 20:16.30 | michalxo | :-( |
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| 20:16.45 | jordanm | SerajewelKS: oh I _do_ deserve root :p |
| 20:16.57 | SerajewelKS | michalxo: how does your laptop go to sleep? do you tell it to or does it do so after some time automatically? |
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| 20:17.18 | michalxo | closing the lid |
| 20:17.26 | michalxo | w/o ctrl L |
| 20:17.34 | michalxo | hmm |
| 20:17.42 | michalxo | ctrl + L does not work here anyway :-/ |
| 20:17.47 | michalxo | I can't lock screen |
| 20:17.55 | SerajewelKS | michalxo: yeh, over here doing that will lock the screen. then again, i am running squeeze. |
| 20:17.59 | woodworks | SerajewelKS: usually after having a cigarette and a little cuddling |
| 20:18.02 | SerajewelKS | michalxo: maybe that feature has been added since lenny... |
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| 20:18.08 | michalxo | I am squeeze/sid |
| 20:18.21 | SerajewelKS | michalxo: shrug |
| 20:18.22 | michalxo | I may miss the package for locking screen |
| 20:18.29 | SerajewelKS | michalxo: #gnome on irc.gnome.org maybe |
| 20:18.35 | michalxo | thanks :_) |
| 20:18.45 | michalxo | they are here too ;-) |
| 20:19.00 | Peacimowen | What's the best way of moving a dekstop from wired to wireless? |
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| 20:19.19 | SerajewelKS | Peacimowen: unplug the ethernet cable and turn on the wireless interface |
| 20:19.36 | Peacimowen | SerajewelKS: well that would require having a wireless interface built in. |
| 20:19.54 | SerajewelKS | Peacimowen: or a PCI wireless interface, or a USB wireless interface |
| 20:19.59 | Peacimowen | I'm just wondering what the best wireless interface to acquire would be. |
| 20:20.14 | puty | hi today i turn on comp and root disc 100% any idea? i got 4 partition |
| 20:20.25 | Peacimowen | Either a card, or a usb or ethernet bridge.. |
| 20:20.29 | SerajewelKS | puty: stab in the dark, i'd say your root volume is full |
| 20:20.55 | Peacimowen | USB I think would be on the slow side. |
| 20:21.08 | puty | but why? |
| 20:21.27 | SerajewelKS | Peacimowen: USB means you can get the receiver away from the computer, which is better for interference. in-case cards can get bombarded with interference from other stuff in the case. |
| 20:21.31 | puty | i got 16 gb |
| 20:21.38 | SerajewelKS | puty: probably because something filled it up |
| 20:22.03 | puty | what can i do? |
| 20:22.09 | SerajewelKS | puty: delete some files |
| 20:22.22 | SerajewelKS | vague questions are oh so fun |
| 20:22.32 | puty | but all my file like move and music is on /home |
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| 20:22.50 | SerajewelKS | puty: du -Sx / | sort -n | tail -15 |
| 20:22.58 | SerajewelKS | puty: that will show you the 15 biggest directories on the / volume |
| 20:23.11 | puty | ok iam on it |
| 20:23.16 | puty | thanks |
| 20:23.20 | SerajewelKS | np |
| 20:23.42 | SerajewelKS | also you might try "apt-get clean" which will removed all .debs you've downloaded (once they are installed you don't need the .debs anymore) |
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| 20:27.11 | michalxo | ok I got it |
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| 20:27.35 | michalxo | when I was starting root shell, I was saving root pw to session not to keyring... |
| 20:27.47 | michalxo | now it works... + I missed gnome-screensaver |
| 20:27.51 | SerajewelKS | :) |
| 20:27.53 | michalxo | SerajewelKS thank |
| 20:27.53 | michalxo | s |
| 20:27.59 | SerajewelKS | np, glad you figured it out |
| 20:28.12 | michalxo | thanks, enjoy night/day |
| 20:28.14 | michalxo | later |
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| 20:34.55 | puty | no way biggest file 9.8 MB |
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| 20:37.16 | SerajewelKS | puty: what is the biggest reported directory, and what is the number next to it? |
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| 20:37.58 | puty | user/share/edict is biggest |
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| 20:38.14 | puty | 9772 |
| 20:38.14 | cafaro | Hi guys, I am trying to get X working with Debian lenny (using an ATI HD3650 card), I followed the steps from dpkg ("fglrx one-liner lenny"), but I still get a black screen :(, anyone wants to help me with this? |
| 20:38.27 | SerajewelKS | puty: hrm, does 'df' show usage at 95% to 100%? |
| 20:38.41 | puty | 100% |
| 20:38.46 | puty | 0 free |
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| 20:39.00 | SerajewelKS | puty: odd... maybe you have a bunch of smaller files somewhere |
| 20:39.10 | jordanm | cafaro: pastebin /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 20:39.18 | jordanm | !fglrx one-liner lenny |
| 20:39.18 | dpkg | Ensure you have <non-free sources> added. Exit X / stop any <DM>, then as root: aptitude -r install fglrx-modules-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,'` fglrx-control fglrx-driver && modprobe -r radeon drm && aticonfig --initial |
| 20:39.21 | puty | wait |
| 20:39.21 | SerajewelKS | puty: alternatively, you might reboot into single-user mode (called "rescue" mode in grub) and remount / read-only and then fsck it |
| 20:39.47 | puty | im looking mount point |
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| 20:40.03 | puty | dev/sda6 /home |
| 20:40.08 | SerajewelKS | ah :) |
| 20:40.16 | puty | but dev sda1 / |
| 20:40.26 | SerajewelKS | so which is at 100%? |
| 20:40.31 | puty | should be /root no? |
| 20:40.35 | SerajewelKS | no |
| 20:40.46 | SerajewelKS | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:40.48 | puty | dev/sda1 is full |
| 20:41.09 | SerajewelKS | the / directory is the "root directory" in that it is the root of the directory tree |
| 20:41.32 | SerajewelKS | whereas /root is the directory *named* "root" |
| 20:41.42 | karlpinc | puty: Or use "du -sh somedirectory/*" to track down what's used per directory. SerajewelKS: Why did you have him use -S? |
| 20:41.46 | cafaro | jordanm: maybe a stupid question, but how can I easily pastebin "cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log"? |
| 20:42.08 | SerajewelKS | karlpinc: because -S does not include the size of subdirectories |
| 20:42.08 | karlpinc | !pastebinit |
| 20:42.09 | dpkg | from memory, pastebinit is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>; especially convenient if you don't have a graphical interface. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list" ; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit". Default pastebin is currently broken, use e.g. "pastebinit -b http://paste.debian.net/" |
| 20:42.30 | SerajewelKS | karlpinc: which means that shit like /lib and /usr are going to wind up looking huge when they actually are not |
| 20:42.33 | jordanm | cafaro: pastebinit -i /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 20:42.34 | karlpinc | SerajewelKS: But if he's looking for where the space has gone he needs to look at all subdirectories too. Then drill down. |
| 20:42.47 | SerajewelKS | karlpinc: sure, you can approach it either way |
| 20:43.01 | SerajewelKS | karlpinc: in my experience, -S tends to lead right to the problem immediately, most of the time |
| 20:43.05 | cafaro | hah, great! thanks learning something new every day :) |
| 20:43.59 | SerajewelKS | karlpinc: if you have a lot of big files spread over a bunch of directories, then yeah, your solution will be more effective. but for me it's usually one really big directory i was using as temp space for something that i forgot about. |
| 20:44.03 | jordanm | cafaro: due to a bug you _might_ have to use pastebinit -b http://paste.debian.net -i <file> |
| 20:44.21 | puty | ok i tried du -sh root |
| 20:44.28 | puty | 116M |
| 20:44.34 | SerajewelKS | karlpinc: and don't forget -x for him, since he has several volumes |
| 20:44.40 | SerajewelKS | puty: what's the output of 'du -shx /' |
| 20:44.42 | puty | i don't understand |
| 20:45.03 | SerajewelKS | puty: do not confuse / with /root. you don't care about /root right now. |
| 20:45.10 | puty | 51 G |
| 20:45.17 | puty | but this is home |
| 20:45.24 | SerajewelKS | *facepalm* |
| 20:45.53 | SerajewelKS | puty: "du -shx /" returns 51G? how big is your / volume? |
| 20:46.01 | puty | 120 gb |
| 20:46.19 | puty | partition dev/sda1 / 16gb |
| 20:46.20 | SerajewelKS | ok so you are actually have 70G free |
| 20:46.26 | SerajewelKS | oh my god |
| 20:46.47 | SerajewelKS | dude i can't help you if you answer a different question than what i asked you |
| 20:46.48 | puty | partition dev/sda6 /91gb /home |
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| 20:47.06 | puty | tell me |
| 20:47.19 | jordanm | puty: just pastebin the full output if you have trouble figuring out which info is actually needed |
| 20:47.21 | puty | you are too rapido fast |
| 20:47.34 | SerajewelKS | puty: pastebin the output of these commands. do not "interpret" the results. "df" "df -i" |
| 20:48.44 | jordanm | SerajewelKS: perhaps you wanted the "human-readable" form :) |
| 20:48.47 | puty | how i do pastebin? |
| 20:48.53 | jordanm | !paste |
| 20:48.53 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastebin.ca/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>. |
| 20:49.13 | SerajewelKS | jordanm: why would i want that when it returns less precise information? |
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| 20:49.54 | jordanm | SerajewelKS: no math required? |
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| 20:50.02 | SerajewelKS | jordanm: heh |
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| 20:50.17 | puty | http://paste.debian.net/72206/ |
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| 20:50.30 | puty | i did it right? |
| 20:50.48 | jordanm | puty: yes, but you were asked for two command, but only gave the output for one |
| 20:50.49 | SerajewelKS | yes. now the output of "df" and "mount" as well please. |
| 20:51.02 | puty | ok |
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| 20:51.04 | puty | wait |
| 20:51.06 | puty | sorry |
| 20:51.07 | halflife08 | hello folks, have there been reports of debian's MIT mirror debian.lcs.mit.edu being down ? |
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| 20:51.37 | cafaro | jordanm: -i returns "http://pastebin.com" with no paste, -b with site, returns "unknown website, please post a bugreport to request this pastebin [...]" |
| 20:51.41 | jordanm | halflife08: http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/ |
| 20:51.49 | puty | http://paste.debian.net/72207/ |
| 20:52.05 | jordanm | ,versions pastebinit |
| 20:52.07 | judd | pastebinit -- lenny: 0.10-2; sid: 1.1-1; squeeze: 1.1-1 |
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| 20:52.20 | halflife08 | jordanm: thanks |
| 20:52.21 | SerajewelKS | puty: and 'du -shx /' returned 51G? |
| 20:52.22 | jordanm | cafaro: the first is the known bug, let me check on the 2nd |
| 20:52.27 | SerajewelKS | puty: that's slightly impossible |
| 20:52.36 | puty | :) |
| 20:52.38 | puty | wait |
| 20:53.27 | puty | http://paste.debian.net/72208/ |
| 20:53.44 | SerajewelKS | puty: yes, it helps if you run the command i tell you to and not change it |
| 20:53.48 | SerajewelKS | puty: the / is important |
| 20:54.05 | jordanm | cafaro: try -b http://pastebin.ca |
| 20:54.20 | puty | sorry |
| 20:54.21 | puty | ok |
| 20:54.25 | puty | understand |
| 20:55.16 | puty | http://paste.debian.net/72210/ |
| 20:55.24 | jordanm | 16GB is a lot of data for / on a desktop... are you using something other than /home for data storage? |
| 20:55.42 | courpse | pastebinit fails on my lenny, :/ it just returns http://pastebin.com with no params, where can i check logs? |
| 20:55.53 | puty | no nothing |
| 20:56.01 | jordanm | courpse: try -b http://pastebin.ca |
| 20:56.03 | cafaro | jordanm: "Unknown website" again |
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| 20:56.22 | puty | every data is basicly in home |
| 20:56.22 | jordanm | cafaro: look at the manpage for your version and see which services it accepts |
| 20:56.32 | courpse | jorizma: on what? |
| 20:56.32 | SerajewelKS | puty: try this: du -x / | sort -n | tail -15 |
| 20:56.35 | SerajewelKS | puty: pastebin that |
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| 20:56.40 | jordanm | cafaro: I backported the sid version on this box due to that bug, so I might not be looking at the same as you |
| 20:56.42 | puty | ok |
| 20:57.01 | jordanm | courpse: pastebinit -b http://pastebin.ca |
| 20:57.11 | courpse | oh right. |
| 20:57.13 | courpse | course, ta. |
| 20:57.25 | jordanm | (although, that just failed to work for someone else) |
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| 20:58.48 | puty | http://paste.debian.net/72212/ |
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| 20:59.22 | SerajewelKS | puty: aha, you have a shit-ton of logs hanging around |
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| 20:59.34 | SerajewelKS | puty: 12gb worth of logs |
| 20:59.35 | courpse | jordanm: Says its unknown website. |
| 20:59.42 | puty | why |
| 20:59.48 | puty | i see it |
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| 21:00.04 | SerajewelKS | puty: let's find out: du -aS /var/log | sort -n | tail -30 |
| 21:00.14 | jordanm | ,depends pastebinit --release sid |
| 21:00.15 | judd | pastebinit -- depends: python, python-configobj. |
| 21:00.16 | puty | ok |
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| 21:00.33 | willmore | What package in lenny has fpaste? if any? |
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| 21:01.24 | jordanm | courpse: cafaro: download this package and install it with dpkg -i: http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/p/pastebinit/pastebinit_1.1-1_all.deb |
| 21:01.38 | puty | do you want pastebin? |
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| 21:01.44 | SerajewelKS | puty: yes please |
| 21:01.51 | jordanm | courpse: cafaro: this newer version resolves the bugs you are experiencing |
| 21:01.52 | willmore | looks like I asked at the right time. :) |
| 21:02.20 | puty | http://paste.debian.net/72213/ |
| 21:02.30 | ham5 | something todo with latex willmore? |
| 21:02.43 | puty | kern.log? |
| 21:02.47 | willmore | No, it coppies stdin to a pastebin and gives you a url to stdout. |
| 21:02.50 | puty | what is ? |
| 21:02.57 | SerajewelKS | puty: jeez. that means your kernel has spit out 4GB worth of messages in the last WEEK |
| 21:03.02 | ham5 | ok nm |
| 21:03.26 | SerajewelKS | puty: that is a /lot/ for the kernel. is your hardware failing or something? you might want to 'less /var/log/kern.log' and look around. |
| 21:03.36 | willmore | well, properly, it uploads it to fpaste.org... |
| 21:03.42 | jordanm | SerajewelKS: or logrotate is not installed/functioning properly |
| 21:03.51 | puty | yes |
| 21:03.53 | puty | wifi |
| 21:04.04 | SerajewelKS | jordanm: i thought that too, but the du shows some .1 .2.gz etc files, so it was working at least at some point |
| 21:04.07 | puty | is compilate madwifi |
| 21:04.15 | SerajewelKS | puty: you might see if you can get that driver to shut up |
| 21:04.44 | SerajewelKS | puty: in the meantime you can safely remove kern.log, messages, and syslog |
| 21:04.45 | puty | i get last driver |
| 21:05.03 | jordanm | puty: madwifi is not the "last" or "latest" its deprecated |
| 21:05.04 | puty | but is laptop arec one |
| 21:05.11 | SerajewelKS | puty: then either reboot or run logrotate so the inode gets freed |
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| 21:05.21 | jordanm | puty: ath5k and ath9k replaced madwifi |
| 21:05.23 | courpse | jordanm: perfect. i didnt even have python-configobj. |
| 21:05.28 | courpse | Working fine now. |
| 21:05.50 | jordanm | ,depends pastebinit --release lenny |
| 21:05.50 | judd | pastebinit -- depends: python. |
| 21:06.03 | puty | but is compatible with my note? |
| 21:06.23 | SerajewelKS | puty: worry about madwifi later. first get your disk space freed up. |
| 21:06.34 | puty | ok |
| 21:06.34 | jordanm | cafaro: I am going for a bit, feel free to drop me a line if your still having issues in a hour |
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| 21:06.43 | puty | im working on it |
| 21:06.45 | cafaro | jordanm: just got pastebinit working |
| 21:07.07 | puty | can i delete all log without worry? |
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| 21:07.16 | cafaro | jordanm: I'll wait an hour |
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| 21:07.21 | SerajewelKS | puty: i would just remove the three i mentioned: kern.log, syslog, and messages |
| 21:07.30 | puty | ok |
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| 21:07.40 | SerajewelKS | puty: then run "logrotate -f" |
| 21:08.11 | SerajewelKS | puty: then if you "df" you should see that / has a lot more free space. |
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| 21:08.36 | puty | ok wait please |
| 21:09.32 | puty | uf |
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| 21:09.41 | puty | could not read korn |
| 21:09.47 | puty | i cant delete it |
| 21:09.57 | SerajewelKS | puty: 'rm /var/log/kern.log' |
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| 21:10.48 | puty | ok |
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| 21:10.54 | SerajewelKS | puty: did that work? |
| 21:11.01 | jhutchins_lt | SerajewelKS: Let me guess, partitioning gone wrong yet again? |
| 21:11.06 | puty | im going lunch logrotate |
| 21:11.16 | puty | yes work |
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| 21:12.37 | SerajewelKS | jhutchins_lt: looks like it... no partition mounted on /var |
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| 21:13.09 | puty | i lunch las command rm ...... but disk is stil full |
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| 21:13.19 | puty | last command |
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| 21:13.48 | |tpocra| | I can not, for the life of me get GRUB2 to recognise my md0 array |
| 21:13.55 | |tpocra| | debian is installed on a md0 RAID-1 array |
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| 21:14.08 | SerajewelKS | puty: did you then run "logrotate -f" like i told you to? |
| 21:14.11 | |tpocra| | GRUB just complains endlessly that "no mapping exists for 'md0'" |
| 21:14.22 | |tpocra| | I even tried an Ubuntu GRUB2 package that claimed to have fixed this. |
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| 21:14.32 | |tpocra| | Nothing can read it I have tried. |
| 21:14.51 | jhutchins_lt | |tpocra|: lilo works better with raid. |
| 21:14.57 | puty | yes |
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| 21:15.21 | puty | but missing some option no? |
| 21:15.32 | SerajewelKS | puty: try removing /var/log/messages and /var/log/syslog as well, then run logrotate -f again |
| 21:15.47 | puty | ok |
| 21:15.56 | puty | im going to do this |
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| 21:16.03 | SerajewelKS | puty: if you still don't have any free disk space then reboot |
| 21:16.14 | puty | ok |
| 21:16.15 | jhutchins_lt | shutdown -Fr now |
| 21:16.29 | SerajewelKS | jhutchins_lt: or "reboot" |
| 21:16.36 | jhutchins_lt | F |
| 21:16.47 | DexterF | hi |
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| 21:16.54 | SerajewelKS | jhutchins_lt: ah, right |
| 21:16.56 | jhutchins_lt | puty: I think the only thing that lilo doesn't have is the pseudo shell. |
| 21:17.42 | SerajewelKS | jhutchins_lt: i think you meant |tpocra| |
| 21:17.56 | DexterF | apt-got some src, compiled after modifying it, installed, works. now aptitude wants to overwrite it on update with the one from the repository - how do I prevent that? |
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| 21:18.06 | dondelelcaro | jhutchins_lt: there are a bunch of other things which it doesn't do particularly well |
| 21:18.10 | SerajewelKS | DexterF: aptitude hold packagename |
| 21:18.15 | puty | ok i deleted all kern,massages and sys.logs |
| 21:18.25 | puty | i lunched logrotate -f |
| 21:18.31 | puty | but still full |
| 21:18.33 | dondelelcaro | jhutchins_lt: like support serial terminals, automatic fallback, on the fly changes, etc. |
| 21:18.38 | SerajewelKS | puty: do what jhutchins_lt said: shutdown -Fr now |
| 21:18.39 | puty | iam going to reboot |
| 21:18.41 | willmore | Hmm, pastebinit doesn't like me or I'm missing something profound. If I pipe something into "pastebinit -i -", I get "http://pastebin.com" as output and pastebin.com doesn't seem to have anything from me. |
| 21:18.48 | SerajewelKS | puty: the -F will force a fsck when it boots |
| 21:18.49 | puty | :) |
| 21:18.52 | SerajewelKS | puty: which is not a bad idea |
| 21:18.59 | frostschutz | I use grub1 to boot my raid1 ... ;) |
| 21:19.03 | puty | ok |
| 21:19.12 | puty | roger |
| 21:19.16 | puty | thanks |
| 21:19.20 | willmore | fpaste gives you back the specific url to the paste you made. It seems pastebinit doesn't do so. |
| 21:19.20 | SerajewelKS | puty: np |
| 21:19.27 | puty | i will back right now |
| 21:19.29 | SerajewelKS | puty: then when it comes back up, worry about replacing madwifi :) |
| 21:19.32 | jhutchins_lt | dondelelcaro: current versions are pretty good, and it does things grub doesn't. |
| 21:19.36 | puty | ok |
| 21:19.44 | bzed | frostschutz: raid1 works well with grub, always. |
| 21:19.44 | SerajewelKS | puty: or install some monitoring so you get email when /var/log grows above 8gb or so |
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| 21:20.50 | jhutchins_lt | bzed: Actually, the level of RAID doesn't really matter to bootloaders, it's whether it can see the virtual device. |
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| 21:21.24 | frostschutz | jhutchins_lt: it matters if it's just a simple mirror so they don't have to understand nuffink about raid ;) |
| 21:22.24 | willmore | problem solved. Just coppied the data over to a Fedora box and fpasted from there. |
| 21:22.25 | kimjeng | hi when i upgrade to a more recent kernel, compiled with "make oldconfig" how similar is this kernel to the previous one? will it have issues with modules and such? |
| 21:23.43 | jhutchins_lt | kimjeng: Read the changelog. |
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| 21:24.13 | frostschutz | kimjeng: similar enough to work on the same hardware usually... also what other choice do you have, you either use a standard kernel or make oldconfig, no one would make a custom kernel config from scratch for every kernel update... |
| 21:24.58 | DexterF | SerajewelKS: thanks |
| 21:26.09 | jhutchins_lt | kimjeng: It's usually a good idea to go through the menuconfig as well, just to see what options have changed. |
| 21:26.52 | kimjeng | so installed software and all things held constant even peripherals like usb modems would be largely unaffected by a new stable kernel? |
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| 21:27.31 | jhutchins_lt | kimjeng: It depends. Software shouldn't be affected. |
| 21:27.41 | jhutchins_lt | kimjeng: Modules & drivers on the other hand may change. |
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| 21:28.28 | |tpocra| | Has anyone gotten GRUB2 to successfully install onto a RAID md device? |
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| 21:28.46 | jhutchins_lt | kimjeng: In particular, Debian has been stripping proprietary firmware from kernel modules and packaging it seperately. |
| 21:29.22 | jhutchins_lt | kimjeng: Usually kernels improve with age, better function with less intervention, but not always. |
| 21:29.50 | kimjeng | a while ago i compiled a new kernel 2.6.32 (while it was unstable, using oldconfig)) and kppp could not with my usb e220 modem |
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| 21:30.05 | kimjeng | *not function |
| 21:30.05 | jhutchins_lt | kimjeng: Again, the changelog will tell you what changed. |
| 21:30.43 | jhutchins_lt | kimjeng: oldconfig doesn't mean the same kernel. patches change, kernel options change. What was a valid set of settings for one kernel is not always valid for a later one. |
| 21:31.15 | jhutchins_lt | kimjeng: Usually it's best to do some comparisons to a standard config like Debians. |
| 21:31.18 | kimjeng | jhutchins_lt: ok thanks, |
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| 21:31.34 | jhutchins_lt | kimjeng: Figure out what changes you needed to make before and if they're still needed/valid. |
| 21:31.39 | kimjeng | standard? |
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| 21:32.05 | jhutchins_lt | kimjeng: The one distributed with the debian kernel. |
| 21:32.14 | jhutchins_lt | in /boot. |
| 21:32.39 | kimjeng | ok |
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| 21:34.08 | kurkale6ka | Hi, I installed some source files in a wrong place (I thought apt-get source would put them directly under /usr/src). How can I remove/move them? |
| 21:34.39 | SerajewelKS | DexterF: np |
| 21:34.50 | nkuttler | kurkale6ka: just mv them |
| 21:35.04 | SerajewelKS | kurkale6ka: uhm, same way you remove anything else... |
| 21:35.38 | kurkale6ka | SerajewelKS: apt-get remove? |
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| 21:35.45 | SerajewelKS | kurkale6ka: rm |
| 21:35.48 | kurkale6ka | nkuttler: is it safe to do so? |
| 21:35.48 | Varanger | hi |
| 21:35.51 | wols | kurkale6ka: man rm. apt-get won't touch those source files |
| 21:36.19 | wols | kurkale6ka: it is safe if you only delete files from the source .deb you got |
| 21:36.20 | SerajewelKS | kurkale6ka: apt-get source does not install anything. it downloads and extracts a source package into your currect directory. that's it. |
| 21:36.47 | SerajewelKS | kurkale6ka: you don't even need to be root to run it. (and, in fact, you should not be root while compiling stuff) |
| 21:37.33 | Varanger | !kde |
| 21:37.33 | dpkg | [kde] K Desktop Environment, based on the Qt toolkit. See http://www.kde.org/ for release news and other details. Not a window manager. To get or delete KDE, ask me about <install kde> or <remove kde> respectively. Ask your KDE questions in #debian-kde (irc.oftc.net), see also <kde_trouble>. http://wiki.debian.org/KDE KDE-related IRC channels: http://userbase.kde.org/IRC_Channels |
| 21:37.43 | kurkale6ka | SerajewelKS: right, thanks |
| 21:38.08 | SerajewelKS | !tell Varanger about msg the bot |
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| 21:38.53 | Varanger | SerajewelKS: Sorry a lot of time I don't ask dpkg |
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| 21:40.12 | jordanm | cafaro: still needing help? |
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| 21:42.09 | cafaro | jordanm: yes, i PMed you the log |
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| 21:42.27 | |tpocra| | Apparently d-i made my MD devices have superblock MD version 1.1 |
| 21:42.33 | |tpocra| | and GRUB2 can't install to that |
| 21:42.40 | |tpocra| | It needs 0.9 or something? |
| 21:42.48 | |tpocra| | Can I isntall GRUB1 onto version 1.1 |
| 21:42.49 | |tpocra| | ? |
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| 21:43.42 | frostschutz | |tpocra|: if grub2 cant do something, usually grub1 cant do it either... |
| 21:43.53 | jordanm | cafaro: pastebin /etc/X11/xorg.log; along with the output of: apt-cache policy fglrx-driver libc6 |
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| 21:44.19 | jordanm | cafaro: sorry, "xorg.conf" not xorg.log |
| 21:44.20 | frostschutz | |tpocra|: I use grub1 with raid1 0.9... the new superblock format has only disadvantages for me (no grub, no kernel autodetect) |
| 21:44.39 | |tpocra| | forfolias: Can I change it without wiping? |
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| 21:44.57 | puty | special thanks to SerajewelKS |
| 21:45.03 | SerajewelKS | \o/ |
| 21:45.19 | puty | 6gb on root |
| 21:45.28 | cafaro | jordanm: xorg.conf: http://pastebin.com/MAJvbXk7 |
| 21:45.41 | puty | tomorrow madwifi |
| 21:45.48 | puty | :) |
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| 21:47.31 | aiux | !madwifi |
| 21:47.31 | dpkg | [madwifi] the <non-free> legacy driver for Atheros 802.11a/bg PCI wireless LAN chipsets. To install on Lenny, ask me about <madwifi-install> or follow the instructions at http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/ath_pci . http://madwifi-project.org/wiki/Support #madwifi on irc.freenode.net. Removed from Debian post-Lenny to resolve bug #519446; Squeeze users, ask me about <ath5k> or <ath9k> (802.11n). |
| 21:47.43 | puty | i wait you |
| 21:47.43 | puty | :) |
| 21:48.01 | aiux | !ath5k |
| 21:48.01 | dpkg | [ath5k] a completely free (no proprietary HAL) driver for Atheros 802.11a/bg PCI wireless LAN chipsets. Included in Debian kernels since 2.6.24. See http://wiki.debian.org/ath5k for more information and supported devices. For AR5007* devices, ask me about <ar2425>. For 802.11n device support, ask me about <ath9k>. See also <backports.org>. |
| 21:48.17 | cafaro | jordanm: http://pastebin.com/2NGP1uLN |
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| 21:49.11 | jordanm | cafaro: what card did you have again? |
| 21:49.32 | cafaro | jordanm: HD3650 |
| 21:49.57 | frostschutz | |tpocra|: the answer to that is probably yes - but I'd just redo the raid. or make room for a boot partition somewhere |
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| 21:56.57 | jordanm | cafaro: It looks like the ati drivers do not support that card. I am not sure what to suggest |
| 21:57.20 | cafaro | jordanm: ok :( |
| 21:57.50 | jordanm | cafaro: It looks like the opensource drivers may not support it either... If you want to try, the guide is here: http://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo |
| 21:57.50 | wols | jordanm: why wouldn't they? it's supported by fglrx |
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| 21:58.43 | cafaro | jordanm: ok i will |
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| 21:59.11 | jordanm | wols: AFAICT, starting with version 8.41 of fglrx, and it is not listed on the ati page of the debian wiki |
| 21:59.12 | bze | ahh ati + debian, such a match |
| 21:59.21 | jordanm | wols: if you know more, feel free to step in :) |
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| 22:00.01 | cafaro | bze: what distro would you reccommend? |
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| 22:00.21 | bze | what do you mean? |
| 22:00.22 | neo[2k] | err.. help |
| 22:00.38 | neo[2k] | I screwed up lenny. |
| 22:00.49 | bze | just pointing out that haven't had a single smooth ati install but it does work once you've got it running |
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| 22:01.26 | cafaro | ah, okay ;) |
| 22:01.36 | bze | there's just a bunch of quirks on the way |
| 22:01.50 | wols | cafaro: fglrx should work fine. it's a RV635 which is supported |
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| 22:02.15 | jordanm | wols: http://pastebin.com/Jp9GjGQQ |
| 22:02.58 | wols | ,versions fglrx-driver |
| 22:03.00 | judd | fglrx-driver -- etch/non-free: 8.28.8-4; etch-backports/non-free: 8.47.3-3~bpo40+1; lenny/non-free: 1:8-12-4; squeeze/non-free: 1:10-3~prerelease-3; sid/non-free: 1:10-4-1 |
| 22:03.20 | wols | I'd try different fglrx versions via backporting |
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| 22:04.05 | cafaro | wols: where can I find other fglrx versions? |
| 22:04.13 | jordanm | !tell cafaro about ssb |
| 22:04.20 | jordanm | cafaro: see pm from dpkg |
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| 22:05.57 | wols | cafaro: in squeeze and sid for example. hence why I said "backport" |
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| 22:09.50 | puty | SerajewwlKS i got Atheros AR5BXB63 with madwifi driver with monitor mode |
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| 22:10.24 | puty | ath5k support monitor mode for this chip? |
| 22:10.26 | cafaro | jordanm: I have to remove the old packages first right? |
| 22:11.02 | jordanm | !fglrx one-liner lenny |
| 22:11.03 | dpkg | Ensure you have <non-free sources> added. Exit X / stop any <DM>, then as root: aptitude -r install fglrx-modules-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,'` fglrx-control fglrx-driver && modprobe -r radeon drm && aticonfig --initial |
| 22:11.21 | jordanm | cafaro: only the modules package, the others will be upgraded |
| 22:12.02 | cafaro | jordanm: aptitude purge fglrx-modules-2.6-686 ? |
| 22:12.14 | jordanm | cafaro: for the new modules package, instead of fglrx-modules-foo, you will install fglrx-kernel-source, followed by: m-a a-i fglrx-kernel-source |
| 22:12.29 | jordanm | cafaro: yes |
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| 22:13.48 | jordanm | puty: ath5k support monitor mode and injection. I have only came accross one card that did not support monitor mode... the aironet 350, which was 10 years old |
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| 22:15.05 | puty | jordanm thanks |
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| 22:15.43 | puty | i'am going to check how to install that |
| 22:16.58 | cafaro | jordanm: add "deb-src http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main" to sources.list (add "contrib non-free" as well?) |
| 22:17.33 | Surf | quick question. after installing mysql, a blue window pops-up asking me to set a root password. should i? i remember doing this earlier and the whole thing got totally bugged. |
| 22:17.38 | jordanm | puty: its installed by default |
| 22:17.52 | jordanm | cafaro: yes |
| 22:18.31 | puty | hmm |
| 22:19.15 | puty | when i made install (net install) wifi doesn't work 2 years ago |
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| 22:20.08 | puty | i was looking for driver and i find just madwifi |
| 22:20.11 | jordanm | puty: you may need the newer kernel and driver from lenny-backports. what is your pciid? (lspci -nn) |
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| 22:21.39 | puty | Ethernet controller [0200]: Atheros Communications Inc. AR242x 802.11abg Wireless PCI Express Adapter [168c:001c] (rev 01 |
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| 22:23.16 | puty | lenny stable 2.6.26-2-686 |
| 22:23.30 | roxdragon | hi how to eentry in the console grub2 rescue?? |
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| 22:24.48 | cafaro | jordanm: I'm not sure what to do, after updating sources.list... aptitude install fglrx-kernel-source-??? |
| 22:25.09 | roxdragon | hi how to eentry in the console grub2 rescue?? |
| 22:25.50 | j0nnY | cafaro: after updating sources.list you should apt-get update |
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| 22:26.57 | |tpocra| | frostschutz: Hey still around? I am in the d-i but I do not see a way to specify superblock information in the Manual partition editor |
| 22:26.58 | beefcube | I have apt-get installed the "linux-image-2.6-xen-amd64" package group and on grub boot I receive a "invalid magic number" error when selecting the kernel. This debian squeeze on amd64 |
| 22:27.03 | beefcube | help? |
| 22:27.05 | |tpocra| | frostschutz: They are all still version 1.1 |
| 22:27.54 | cafaro | j0nnY: yes I did |
| 22:27.59 | cafaro | but after that? |
| 22:29.19 | j0nnY | cafaro: r u trying to install fglrx ? |
| 22:29.21 | jordanm | cafaro: aptitude build-dep fgrlx-driver; apt-get -b source fglrx-driver |
| 22:29.42 | cafaro | yes, thanks |
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| 22:32.16 | puty | fragrouter is not in debian repository? |
| 22:32.27 | j0nnY | cafaro: i did it this way: 1/ m-a prepare,update 2/ m-a build,install fglrx 3/depmod -a 4/ aticonfig --initial |
| 22:32.56 | j0nnY | cafaro: and edit xorg.conf at the end |
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| 22:33.04 | beefcube | ok, better question, by opinion, what is the easiest virtualization product to install and setup on debian? (openvz excluded) |
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| 22:34.03 | cafaro | ok |
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| 22:34.44 | jordanm | cafaro: what .deb files did that produce? |
| 22:34.55 | cafaro | jordanm: still running |
| 22:35.29 | cafaro | I have a weird bug going on, that it takes a while to connect to a hostname (i think ipv6 is the problem) |
| 22:36.02 | jordanm | !noipv6 |
| 22:36.02 | dpkg | [noipv6] To disable use of <IPv6> on Lenny: echo "install ipv6 /bin/true" >> /etc/modprobe.d/local.conf (and reboot for the changes to take effect). From Squeeze onwards, IPv6 is built into the kernel, add the kernel command line option "ipv6.disable=1" to your bootloader. |
| 22:36.10 | cafaro | ok thanks |
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| 22:36.32 | cafaro | jordanm: a bunch of fglrx-driver files, control, module and source (10-3) |
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| 22:36.50 | j0nnY | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:37.01 | denysonique | cool but you can also remove it from the kernel |
| 22:37.09 | puty | j0nny yes i know |
| 22:37.15 | cafaro | jordanm: fglrx-atieventsd_10-3~prerelease-3_i386.deb |
| 22:37.28 | puty | my question was diferent |
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| 22:37.33 | j0nnY | puty: there r sources available |
| 22:37.40 | jordanm | cafaro: echo *.deb |
| 22:37.43 | puty | yes |
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| 22:38.15 | puty | but when i try to install it with aptitude dosen't matter |
| 22:38.42 | j0nnY | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:38.47 | jordanm | !RFP |
| 22:38.47 | dpkg | Request For Package is the way to ask for a piece of software to be included in Debian. See http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp, the section on that page "Adding new entries with "reportbug"" is a good place to start. Technically, RFP is a wishlist bug filed against "wnpp" with a title beginning "RFP: ", ask me about <wnpp>. |
| 22:38.51 | puty | stable |
| 22:39.37 | j0nnY | puty: no compiled version in debain stable |
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| 22:39.58 | puty | ah thanks |
| 22:40.01 | j0nnY | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:40.18 | puty | ok thak you |
| 22:40.23 | cafaro | jordanm: http://pastebin.com/khddHuZN |
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| 22:41.51 | denysonique | is compilng stuff in debian as easy as build-dep package, wget package, make && make install? |
| 22:42.21 | Surf | i just downloaded install.sh - but which directory should it be in? |
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| 22:42.39 | |tpocra| | I have my RAID md superblocks at version 1.1 which was chosen automatically by the software. I want to make it 0.9 but I do not know how to alter it... I changed the 1.1 in mdadm.conf to 0.9 but I don't think that worked |
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| 22:43.38 | jordanm | cafaro: install: fglrx-driver_10-3~prerelease-3_i386.deb fglrx-glx_10-3~prerelease-3_i386.deb fglrx-source_10-3~prerelease-3_i386.deb |
| 22:43.39 | j0nnY | Surf: whai is install.sh ? |
| 22:44.28 | j0nnY | denysonique: is it a question ? |
| 22:44.39 | cafaro | jordanm: dpkg -i [files] ? |
| 22:44.41 | Surf | j0nnY: it should be an installer. |
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| 22:44.59 | puty | ok thaks to all for help . and sorry for my english .-) |
| 22:45.07 | puty | bye |
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| 22:45.18 | denysonique | j0nnY, yes it is |
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| 22:45.23 | Surf | j0nnY: needed to install webmin |
| 22:45.26 | j0nnY | Surf: ) place it in the home folder, make executable, and run |
| 22:45.28 | jordanm | cafaro: yes |
| 22:45.44 | Surf | j0nnY: thanks :) |
| 22:46.11 | jordanm | cafaro: fglrx-glx might fail, if it does, pastebin |
| 22:46.28 | cafaro | ok |
| 22:46.31 | j0nnY | Surf: there is webmin in repository . Have you try it ? |
| 22:46.38 | jordanm | !webmin |
| 22:46.38 | dpkg | Webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." See http://bugs.debian.org/343897 about the removal from Debian. Don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality. |
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| 22:47.06 | j0nnY | denysonique: in most cases answer is yes |
| 22:47.18 | Surf | j0nnY: nope. this is my first time running linux |
| 22:47.36 | denysonique | j0nnY, thanks, sounds cool |
| 22:47.59 | cafaro | jordanm: it failed: http://pastebin.com/dKRBGEbm |
| 22:48.17 | cafaro | hmm errors aren't showing... |
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| 22:48.47 | Surf | j0nnY: repository? how do i run it from there. |
| 22:48.52 | cafaro | I did dpkg -i [files] | pastebinit |
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| 22:50.11 | Surf | jordanm: that sounds really bad. do you have any other suggestions? |
| 22:50.30 | j0nnY | Surf: somethin like apt-get install webmin |
| 22:50.43 | Surf | ah |
| 22:50.44 | Argafal | i got a suggestion. DON'T USE WEBMIN! |
| 22:50.55 | j0nnY | Surf: and read http://bugs.debian.org/343897 |
| 22:51.04 | Surf | Argafal: Dutly Noted! |
| 22:51.18 | Argafal | Surf: If you are, as you say, new to linux using webmin will be your gurantee for trouble. |
| 22:51.23 | kurkale6ka | Why can't I 'touch' files in a directory with these permissions drwxrwsr-x 2 root staff, and I belong to group staff? |
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| 22:51.44 | Surf | Argafal: do I even need a system administration system like that though? |
| 22:51.50 | Argafal | no! |
| 22:52.05 | Argafal | Surf: not at all. |
| 22:52.22 | Surf | you guys just saved my ass. |
| 22:52.33 | Argafal | =_) |
| 22:52.45 | Argafal | i guess we are happy you asked BEFORE getting yourself into trouble. |
| 22:52.57 | Argafal | fixing the mess would have been much harder. |
| 22:53.11 | Surf | ah, yes. I can only imagine. |
| 22:53.18 | jordanm | cafaro: to pipe stderr along with stdout: command 2>&1 | pastebinit |
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| 22:53.36 | j0nnY | Argafal: what about fixing webmin ? |
| 22:54.11 | jordanm | cafaro: purge fglrx-driver with aptitude and try again for that package. I found it on the bts.. an unexpected bug |
| 22:54.19 | j0nnY | Argafal: and can you advise any other web administration ? |
| 22:54.33 | cafaro | jordanm: http://pastebin.com/XmiCdbEf |
| 22:54.45 | Guthur | Is there a squeeze release schedule, or is it a matter of it's ready when it's ready? |
| 22:54.47 | jordanm | j0nnY: a webpage with a serial console? |
| 22:55.24 | Surf | Argafal: since we are off to a good start here. is there anything else i should know before continuing? by now, i have installed apache + php, mysql and phpmyadmin. |
| 22:55.26 | j0nnY | jordanm: web administration system |
| 22:55.39 | cafaro | jordanm: I'm sorry, what do I have to try again? |
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| 22:56.01 | jordanm | j0nnY: yes... for my VPS I get a web-based virtual serial console. no panel... its perfect |
| 22:56.31 | jordanm | cafaro: thats actually a show-stopper... |
| 22:56.51 | jordanm | ,versions xserver-xorg |
| 22:56.53 | judd | xserver-xorg -- etch: 1:7.1.0-19; lenny: 1:7.3+20; sid: 1:7.5+5; squeeze: 1:7.5+5 |
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| 22:58.13 | jordanm | !ati |
| 22:58.13 | dpkg | To use an ATI graphics card with Debian, ask me about <radeon>, <radeonhd>, <fglrx>. See also <radeon vs radeonhd>. Installing proprietary drivers from amd.com (i.e. with the ATI Driver Installer) is not supported in #debian, please go to #ati (irc.freenode.net). |
| 22:58.57 | jordanm | cafaro: I suggest moving on to one of the alternate methods. you don't want to get into backporting squeeze/sid xserver |
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| 22:59.25 | jordanm | cafaro: you could always run squeeze, but it is not recommended for new users |
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| 22:59.31 | cafaro | jordanm: ok, what should should I use radeon? or radeonhd? |
| 22:59.31 | jordanm | !moving target |
| 22:59.31 | dpkg | Sure, testing might be shiner that stable, but are you prepared to be continually updating your system? Things that worked today will break tomorrow. Configuration file formats will change and you'll have to fold your changes in yet again. Testing is a moving target and if you'd rather work *with* your computer rather than working *on* your computer, you might not want that. See <testing security>. |
| 22:59.32 | j0nnY | jordanm: i see. i think if i tune webmin to use https, key based authentication, and allow administration from one IP, and use firewall, it will work OK |
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| 23:00.01 | Guthur | cafaro: I got the best results install fglrx for my HD4850 by going with squeeze repos |
| 23:00.13 | Guthur | Not sure what you have tried |
| 23:00.32 | jordanm | Guthur: he is running lenny |
| 23:00.35 | j0nnY | cafaro: what is your video card ? |
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| 23:00.52 | Guthur | I think you will be snookered on lenny |
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| 23:01.04 | cafaro | My card is a HD3650, I also tried squeeze already (with the automatic fglrx installer from the amd site (v10.4) |
| 23:01.04 | Guthur | I suppose you have all found that out already |
| 23:01.26 | jordanm | cafaro: I would read about them. I don't have much experience with the opensource drivers |
| 23:01.29 | Guthur | cafaro: I used the fglrx driver in squeeze |
| 23:01.37 | Guthur | Works great |
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| 23:02.26 | Guthur | I did have problems before trying to get it going on lenny, and using the AMD driver, but YMMV |
| 23:02.28 | cafaro | Guthur: What did you do exactly? sorry but I'm a big newbie |
| 23:02.32 | jordanm | Guthur: if you are running lenny and use the fglrx in squeeze... you're probably run squeeze now |
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| 23:02.59 | Guthur | jordanm: Oh ya I should have made that clear I did a dist-upgrade in the end |
| 23:03.25 | macinnisrr | does anyone know how to add a gpg key to a repo I've set up using reprepro |
| 23:03.27 | macinnisrr | ? |
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| 23:04.26 | bzed | macinnisrr: just create a key as the user reprepro is running as |
| 23:04.27 | Guthur | cafaro: I'm not that experienced either, but I first grabbed the latest kernel and then updated xorg, and then grabbed the fglrx driver |
| 23:04.36 | bzed | macinnisrr: and then tell reprepro to use that keyid to sign |
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| 23:04.55 | macinnisrr | bzed: how do I tell reprepro to use the key I've made |
| 23:05.13 | bzed | macinnisrr: so you either want a key without password, or gpg-agent (or --ask-passphrase) |
| 23:05.18 | bzed | macinnisrr: man reprepro will tell you that. |
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| 23:05.28 | yareckon | hi folks, any advice on working around an error where mencoder won't install cause it's trying to install a man page that mplayer already provides? |
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| 23:05.47 | yareckon | (both packages from the debian-multimedia archive) |
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| 23:05.54 | Guthur | But in the end I had to just do a dist-upgrade, not because of the ati driver part but other package version miss matches, trying to maintain a mixed install between stable and testing was messy and I just gave up to be honest |
| 23:06.34 | bzed | yareckon: either poke the debian-multimedia guys about fixing it, or use --force-overwrite as option to dpkg |
| 23:06.46 | SirDerigo | hi, i am trying to install debian through pxe, it boots and starts to install, i used apt-move to create an squeeze mirror in a machine so i could install all the software through the network |
| 23:07.05 | macinnisrr | bzed: thanks, I'll look it up.. |
| 23:07.09 | SirDerigo | the D-I starts normally, but dies with this message: bad d-i package file server returned error: HTTP:/1.1 Not found |
| 23:07.54 | cafaro | Guthur: I also tried it with a full upgrade |
| 23:08.03 | SirDerigo | wich package may a be missing |
| 23:08.28 | cafaro | I also tried it by downloading the testing alpha1 net-inst from debian.org |
| 23:08.30 | Guthur | cafaro: Oh, I suppose its like a lot of these things, mileage varies |
| 23:08.57 | cafaro | Guthur: and what packages did you install before doing sh ./ati-driver.sh ? |
| 23:09.27 | Guthur | cafaro: I never used the one from AMD in the end |
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| 23:09.43 | yareckon | bzed, thanks for the advice... |
| 23:10.02 | Guthur | The one available through apt-get squeeze is actually quite recent |
| 23:10.02 | yareckon | scary to use --force-overwrite :) |
| 23:10.22 | Guthur | Non-free repo of course |
| 23:10.30 | cafaro | Guthur: Did you use the packages from the non-free repository? |
| 23:10.49 | Guthur | cafaro, yep |
| 23:11.00 | cafaro | ok, I haven't tried that yet |
| 23:11.05 | cafaro | maybe that might work :) |
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| 23:11.26 | Guthur | It covered my HD4850 so maybe it will work for you |
| 23:11.50 | Guthur | It is actually surprisingly recent |
| 23:11.58 | jordanm | cafaro: we were backporting these packages... I don't suggest installing them on a lenny system because of what the require |
| 23:12.23 | jordanm | cafaro: if your going to use those packages you should upgrade to squeeze |
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| 23:12.26 | cafaro | jordanm: I will upgrade to squueze first |
| 23:12.32 | Guthur | Ya I am definitely talking from a squeeze point of view |
| 23:12.38 | jordanm | !moving target |
| 23:12.38 | dpkg | Sure, testing might be shiner that stable, but are you prepared to be continually updating your system? Things that worked today will break tomorrow. Configuration file formats will change and you'll have to fold your changes in yet again. Testing is a moving target and if you'd rather work *with* your computer rather than working *on* your computer, you might not want that. See <testing security>. |
| 23:12.57 | Guthur | I had updated the kernel and X before trying the driver |
| 23:13.19 | yareckon | bzed, thanks, that worked |
| 23:13.30 | darksk1ez | I just speeded up my apt-get what feels like 100 fold by removing 50 odd kernels and sources that i had lying around... what a difference! |
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| 23:14.08 | denysonique | lol, testing is not strange as it may sound |
| 23:14.28 | denysonique | I basicaly run testing because of up to date packages |
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| 23:15.13 | Guthur | The problem is that to get some computer to actually work properly testing version is required |
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| 23:15.27 | Guthur | Lenny is getting very old looking |
| 23:15.43 | jordanm | !sns |
| 23:15.43 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
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| 23:16.13 | Guthur | jordanm: It depends on what you are working on |
| 23:16.27 | Guthur | I do some graphics programming so I need a working Gfx |
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| 23:17.24 | denysonique | kurkale6ka, hey |
| 23:17.28 | jordanm | Guthur: the sid nvidia drivers can backport to lenny without a new xserver version |
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| 23:18.34 | kurkale6ka | denysonique: hi |
| 23:18.34 | Guthur | jordanm: Possibly works with the ati too, this is only my first foray into debian though so I suppose I gravitate a little towards the path of least resistance |
| 23:18.55 | jordanm | ,depends nvidia-glx --release sid |
| 23:18.56 | judd | nvidia-glx -- depends: nvidia-kernel-190.53, x11-common (>= 1:7.0.0), libc6 (>= 2.1.3), libx11-6 (>= 0), libxext6 (>= 0). |
| 23:18.58 | denysonique | kurkale6ka, what is the etymology of your nick, it sounds interesting |
| 23:19.07 | Guthur | I actually had not intended to do a full upgrade but it ended becoming a requirement |
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| 23:19.33 | Guthur | Mostly through my inexperience probably |
| 23:19.47 | kurkale6ka | denysonique: he he, means nutgall |
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| 23:20.11 | Guthur | That's why I was asking when will testing go stable earlier, I was kind of hoping the time was nearly upon us |
| 23:20.22 | denysonique | kurkale6ka, lol, in what language? |
| 23:20.32 | kurkale6ka | denysonique: bg |
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| 23:21.20 | denysonique | kurkale6ka, bg, bulgarian? |
| 23:21.22 | kurkale6ka | denysonique: it is a little know word even in bg. 6ikalka is most used |
| 23:21.26 | kurkale6ka | denysonique: yes |
| 23:21.40 | denysonique | what does the 6 mean? |
| 23:22.39 | jordanm | !off-topic |
| 23:22.41 | jordanm | !ot |
| 23:22.41 | dpkg | Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e. Debian support); imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
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| 23:24.05 | kurkale6ka | denysonique: кÑÑкалеÑка. it is the Ñ (because 6 is ÑеÑÑ) |
| 23:24.05 | kurkale6ka | ) |
| 23:25.16 | cafaro | How do you get :s/lenny/squeeze to replace all(!) 'lenny' occurrences, instead of just the active line in vim? |
| 23:26.00 | jordanm | cafaro: :s/foo/bar/g (i think) |
| 23:26.07 | cafaro | ok |
| 23:26.36 | jordanm | cafaro: you really should use M-x replace-string in emacs though |
| 23:27.44 | cafaro | I'm more used to vim right now |
| 23:27.59 | jordanm | !start an editor war |
| 23:27.59 | dpkg | nano users can't think straight! |
| 23:28.06 | cafaro | :) |
| 23:28.11 | denysonique | cafaro, s%/foo/bar/g |
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| 23:28.20 | denysonique | :%s actually |
| 23:28.30 | cafaro | never really tried emacs |
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| 23:30.13 | cafaro | denysonique: thanks ;) |
| 23:30.15 | Guthur | cafaro: emacs can take a while to get used to, but its worth investing a little time to get to know it |
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| 23:30.32 | denysonique | cafaro, the first one is the {range} |
| 23:30.51 | Guthur | though that's a little OT, hehe |
| 23:30.52 | cafaro | Guthur: I will, but first I need to get this %#$@# thing working1 |
| 23:31.32 | Guthur | cafaro: I'm sure you'll get it working, just keep going |
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| 23:32.08 | Guthur | Then you can learn Lisp and emacs, hehe |
| 23:32.40 | Farhadix | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:33.17 | Knorrie | omit --dport? |
| 23:33.28 | cafaro | Guthur: I really hope Squeeze will work, you don't wanna know how long i've been trying to get X working :( |
| 23:33.34 | denysonique | cafaro, '%#$@#' is that an regex? |
| 23:33.36 | jordanm | Farhadix: #netfilter |
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| 23:33.48 | cafaro | denysonique: nope ;) |
| 23:33.55 | denysonique | ;) |
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| 23:38.39 | karmatronic | hi buddies |
| 23:38.43 | karmatronic | been a longtime |
| 23:38.47 | karmatronic | so here s the deal |
| 23:39.05 | karmatronic | how to install a new version of yaboot using a rescue CD ? |
| 23:39.20 | jordanm | karmatronic: join #debianppc |
| 23:39.53 | denysonique | karmatronic, chroot into your / apt-get install yaboot and follow yaboot documentation, or use the yaboot from the resuce cd |
| 23:40.37 | Cain | Hi, trying to transfer files between 2 servers using scp : scp -v -P SSHPORT1 user1@host1:file1 -P SSHPORT2 user2@host2:file2 <== scp is trying to connect on port 22 instead of SSHPORT1 what's wrong ? |
| 23:41.22 | denysonique | you want to scp between to remote machines? |
| 23:41.41 | Argafal | is it really possible to specify TWO remote ports? |
| 23:41.49 | Cain | denysonique between a remote one and my local machine |
| 23:41.51 | SerajewelKS | Argafal: it should be |
| 23:41.55 | Argafal | is it really possible to specify TWO ssh remote machines at once? |
| 23:41.55 | Juzzy | cain: just log into one of them and do it form there, not sure getopt() can read 2 -P's and understand it |
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| 23:42.04 | Juzzy | Argafal: yes. |
| 23:42.14 | denysonique | Cain, what is host2 then? |
| 23:42.22 | SerajewelKS | Cain: if your destination is a local machine, why are you specifying user2@host2: |
| 23:42.24 | Cain | host2 is the local machine |
| 23:42.26 | Argafal | "Copies between two remote hosts are also permitted." |
| 23:42.40 | Argafal | fair enough. though nothing is mentioned regarding ports for two different machines. |
| 23:42.41 | SerajewelKS | Cain: scp -v -P SSHPORT1 user1@host1:file1 local/destination |
| 23:42.53 | Juzzy | Cain: one alternative is set the SSHPORT2 as the default port to connect to in /etc/ssh/ssh_config, and exclude it in your list |
| 23:43.23 | denysonique | Cain, and if you scp often, consider mounting the remote server file system as sshfs |
| 23:43.25 | Juzzy | (on host1) |
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| 23:43.54 | DarkSun | hi all |
| 23:44.12 | denysonique | hi |
| 23:44.16 | Cain | It works ! , thx guys |
| 23:44.32 | Cain | but what if i want to scp between 2 remote hosts ? |
| 23:44.36 | DarkSun | is there any user that uses easytag? |
| 23:44.45 | Cain | (all the remote servers have custom ssh ports) |
| 23:45.03 | SerajewelKS | Cain: well one answer would be to run services on the ports they are supposed to be run on |
| 23:45.04 | denysonique | Cain, ssh host@port scp host@port:/file host@port:/destination |
| 23:45.11 | denysonique | Cain, something like that |
| 23:45.12 | Argafal | Cain: i think they either need to have the same or you need to specify the default port for the second host in /etc/sshssh_config |
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| 23:45.26 | Argafal | denysonique: i don't think that rworks.... |
| 23:45.40 | SerajewelKS | Argafal: it does, but not the way he typed it |
| 23:45.49 | Argafal | SerajewelKS: host@port? |
| 23:46.00 | Cain | denysonique : your idea of mounting remote file system as sshfs is interesting ! |
| 23:46.01 | Argafal | SerajewelKS: that'd be new to me. |
| 23:46.09 | denysonique | well i mean ssh host@port scp file host@port:/destination |
| 23:46.18 | SerajewelKS | ssh -p port user@host scp /file -P port2 user2@host2:/destination |
| 23:46.23 | Argafal | denysonique: user@host? |
| 23:46.24 | SerajewelKS | Argafal: hence "not the way he typed it" |
| 23:46.36 | denysonique | Cain, gnome, kde should have this build int |
| 23:46.37 | Cain | scp specify that the port should be given with -P argument |
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| 23:46.47 | Cain | denysonique : console mode ^^ no gui |
| 23:46.56 | Argafal | Cain: but not two different ones for two different remote hosts.... |
| 23:46.59 | SerajewelKS | this is the answer, you can all stop discussing it now :P "ssh -p port user@host scp /file -P port2 user2@host2:/destination" |
| 23:47.13 | jordanm | Cain: you can use sshfs without it.. |
| 23:47.16 | denysonique | Cain, apt-get sshfs or something like that |
| 23:47.20 | Cain | SerajewelKS : i'll give it a try |
| 23:47.32 | denysonique | Argafal, I need some sleep ;) |
| 23:47.33 | Argafal | SerajewelKS: that is NOT the same. that requires you to have access from host to host2. |
| 23:47.35 | SerajewelKS | this assumes that "host" has network connectivity to "host2" |
| 23:47.58 | frostschutz | Cain: call me lazy, but I actually have my router remapping ssh ports for me for remote servers, so I don't have to use -p / -P even if the remote server is running ssh on a non standard port ;) |
| 23:48.02 | Argafal | SerajewelKS: and that is why we can NOT stop the discussion here :-p |
| 23:48.04 | sigmonsays | damn, does X need to be setuid/setgid ? |
| 23:48.13 | SerajewelKS | Argafal: for the ssh+scp solution, yes it is |
| 23:48.19 | SerajewelKS | Argafal: for scp-only, then no it is not |
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| 23:48.39 | Cain | frostschutz : this is the next level for me ^^ still learning the debian (and the linux) way to do things ^^ |
| 23:48.44 | jordanm | sigmonsays: no.. |
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| 23:49.19 | frostschutz | Cain: a simpler solution would probably be an alias that supplies the -p / -P for your server ;) |
| 23:49.44 | SerajewelKS | the best solution is to run sshd on port 22 like the rest of the world does |
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| 23:50.08 | Argafal | except for the rare case of remapping ssh to use 443 for stupid firewalling issues. why would one want to run ssh on something else than 22? |
| 23:50.11 | nevyn | configure with a .ssh/config that defines a host. |
| 23:50.16 | SerajewelKS | unless there is a firewall somewhere blocking port 22, or you are running two sshds, there is no reason to run sshd on an alternate port |
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| 23:50.21 | nevyn | Argafal: avoiding scans |
| 23:50.30 | nevyn | people probe ssh on 22 |
| 23:50.32 | Argafal | nevyn: i really hope you are not serious about that one. |
| 23:50.35 | jordanm | Argafal: security through obscurity |
| 23:50.38 | SerajewelKS | nevyn: that's what fail2ban is for |
| 23:50.45 | nevyn | meh fail2ban. |
| 23:50.54 | nevyn | I kinda like port knocking |
| 23:50.57 | Argafal | jordanm: yeah, i wanted him to tell me that ;) |
| 23:51.05 | SerajewelKS | nevyn: it's a damn better solution than running services on retarded nonstandard ports |
| 23:51.14 | Cain | SerajewelKS : the default 22 port is used by the router :/ (and i don't have access to it) |
| 23:51.16 | Argafal | jordanm: cuase it is god damn stupid to trust on things like that. |
| 23:51.46 | nevyn | Argafal: it makes logs less noisy from failed probing attempts ;) |
| 23:52.08 | SerajewelKS | nevyn: fail2ban will make them less noisy without requiring -p |
| 23:52.20 | Cain | SerajewelKS : your solution ask for the host password then hang there |
| 23:52.37 | SerajewelKS | Cain: so ssh there first and *then* scp without doing it in one command |
| 23:53.17 | SerajewelKS | if your sole reason for running sshd on an alternate port is to avoid scans or log clutter... well, i'll stop there. you fill in the rest. |
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| 23:53.57 | Cain | SerajewelKS : already answered that i can't use the default ssh port :) |
| 23:54.10 | SerajewelKS | Cain: yeah i know, this is a different discussion now |
| 23:54.18 | SerajewelKS | Cain: are you sshing to the router's IP? |
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| 23:54.59 | SerajewelKS | Cain: because if you don't have control over the router, then i don't know how you expect to set up port forwards. (except via upnp) |
| 23:56.54 | Cain | SerajewelKS : the port forwards is already done and it works well |
| 23:57.08 | SerajewelKS | i see |
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| 23:58.49 | Cain | so (for my future servers) changing default ssh passwords (for securing a little and avoiding script kiddies) does not make a sens ? |
| 23:58.59 | Cain | s/passwords/ports |
| 23:59.42 | SerajewelKS | no, just make sure you don't have lame passwords, and set up fail2ban |
| 23:59.52 | karmatronic | denysonique: yeah i allready tried what you suggest,but yaboot doesnt work within a jail |
