| 00:00.17 | SerajewelKS | !doesn't work |
| 00:00.17 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>. |
| 00:00.50 | Cain | SerajewelKS : okey i'll try then to reconfig ports to their default ones , thx again ^^ |
| 00:00.52 | SerajewelKS | karmatronic: did you remember to bind-mount /dev into the chroot? |
| 00:01.11 | SerajewelKS | Cain: np. also, note that the router can forward from port 1234 to x.x.x.x:22 as well |
| 00:01.25 | SerajewelKS | Cain: so you should be able to run the daemons on port 22 for access inside the LAN |
| 00:01.25 | karmatronic | SerajewelKS: didnt try, since yaboot doc told me it wont install within a chroot... |
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| 00:01.35 | SerajewelKS | karmatronic: ah. it might be lying. |
| 00:01.51 | SerajewelKS | karmatronic: i'm not sure though |
| 00:02.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | and a password that spells "secret" is of course a good one ;) |
| 00:02.10 | karmatronic | SerajewelKS: trying to install a debian LPAR.... |
| 00:02.32 | Cain | SerajewelKS : yes all the ssh ports on the lans are 22 |
| 00:03.03 | Cain | SerajewelKS : the forwording is only for accessing from the outside |
| 00:03.31 | SerajewelKS | Cain: ah, ok |
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| 00:09.03 | hatta | I've had good |
| 00:09.10 | hatta | WTF |
| 00:09.24 | hatta | my terminal is borked |
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| 00:10.36 | jordanm | hatta: try "reset" |
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| 00:11.20 | hatta | yeah it's fixed now |
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| 00:15.15 | jhutchins_lt | karmatronic: Of course it won't work in a chroot. |
| 00:15.32 | jhutchins_lt | karmatronic: Why would you even try to do that? |
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| 00:16.20 | jhutchins_lt | karmatronic: A chroot is only useful to restrict the scope of access for a publicly accessible service. |
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| 00:17.12 | karmatronic | jhutchins_lt: well i think i just made it work...! |
| 00:17.22 | jhutchins_lt | I doubt it. |
| 00:17.53 | karmatronic | jhutchins_lt: rebooting to confirm |
| 00:18.03 | liuchong | wow,there are so many people in #ubuntu,as i just saw! |
| 00:18.05 | jhutchins_lt | It's not a coherent concept. |
| 00:18.26 | karmatronic | jhutchins_lt: why not? |
| 00:18.33 | karmatronic | jhutchins_lt: let me explain my situation |
| 00:18.51 | karmatronic | jhutchins_lt: i m trying to install a debian LPAR on a pseries P650 |
| 00:19.09 | karmatronic | jhutchins_lt: so i grabbed latest testing netinstall iso |
| 00:19.19 | karmatronic | jhutchins_lt: and proceeded well to the install |
| 00:19.34 | karmatronic | jhutchins_lt: which installs yaboot since pseries are powerpc based |
| 00:20.05 | karmatronic | jhutchins_lt: but there seems to be a bug in yaboot 1.3.13 when booting disks from LPAR |
| 00:20.17 | karmatronic | jhutchins_lt: which is solved in yaboot 1.3.14 |
| 00:20.48 | karmatronic | jhutchins_lt: so i decided to boot in rescue mode and chroots to compile and install latest yaboot |
| 00:20.58 | jhutchins_lt | That makes more sense. |
| 00:21.13 | karmatronic | jhutchins_lt: but the executable was complaining about beeing within a hroot |
| 00:21.15 | karmatronic | chroot |
| 00:21.33 | karmatronic | jhutchins_lt: but it seems it was just a matter of binding /dev dir... |
| 00:22.05 | karmatronic | jhutchins_lt: which i will confirm in one minute |
| 00:22.14 | jhutchins_lt | I thought you were trying to get yaboot to _run_ from a chroot. |
| 00:22.35 | karmatronic | jhutchins_lt: yeah, sorry for the bad explanation... :) |
| 00:22.59 | jhutchins_lt | karmatronic: My apologies, I interpreted it badly. |
| 00:23.53 | karmatronic | jhutchins_lt: pray for me guys.... |
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| 00:24.36 | karmatronic | IT WORKED !!! |
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| 00:27.08 | karmatronic | SerajewelKS: thank you buddy |
| 00:27.14 | karmatronic | jhutchins_lt: thank you too |
| 00:27.27 | courpse | :/ tuxracer isnt in the repos? |
| 00:27.33 | courpse | is bored. |
| 00:27.42 | karmatronic | wonders where this old abrotman is ... |
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| 00:34.03 | nevyn | in other news. I bought a usb hdd to use with my debian machine only to find not only was there a embeded partition pretending to be a cdrom drive on it but that there was no way to remove this junk from the device so I'm now returning it. |
| 00:34.16 | nevyn | not happy with WD right now. |
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| 00:36.02 | jordanm | nevyn: dd can usually take care of that stuff |
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| 00:37.24 | cafaro | jordanm: I upgraded from lenny to squeeze (following the lenny->squeeze stepts), after that I installed the fglrx drivers (fglrx one-liner squeeze), but when I do modprobe fglrx, I get "module not found", any ideas? |
| 00:37.25 | twisted | ok why is the default of mysql on debian so goddamn retarded? |
| 00:37.39 | twisted | I expect from a sql database to be connectable from the outside world if the server is connected |
| 00:37.53 | twisted | the bind to is gone and still it refuses because "your computer is not in the allow list" |
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| 00:38.22 | courpse | Humm, i use twinview, i try to play tuxracer, and a both monitors go black, the small tux racer halfway over both monitors. |
| 00:38.22 | courpse | :/ |
| 00:39.29 | jordanm | never tried games in twinview |
| 00:39.53 | jordanm | applications with load screens like oo.org are split though |
| 00:40.25 | nevyn | jordanm: nope it can/t |
| 00:40.34 | nevyn | the virtualcd is emulated at the usb controller. |
| 00:41.07 | courpse | Never tried games on the comp at all, just got bored and wanted to give it a go. |
| 00:42.40 | cafaro | jordanm: any clue? I did install the fglrx-control and fglrx-driver packages... |
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| 00:43.40 | cafaro | jordanm: Sorry, never mind, only did the aptitude -r command.. |
| 00:43.50 | jordanm | cafaro: you can look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log to see which driver you are using |
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| 00:44.19 | jordanm | cafaro: "glxgears" for a graphics test |
| 00:45.41 | cafaro | what does the aptitude -r switch do? |
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| 00:45.46 | cafaro | remove? |
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| 00:47.37 | funkyHat | cafaro: --with-recommends |
| 00:47.46 | cafaro | ok |
| 00:48.20 | cafaro | jordanm: it does say "LoadModule "fglrx"" (in Xorg.0.log) |
| 00:49.54 | cafaro | jordanm: the error in the xorg log is: "Hasn't established DRM connection", but that's because 'modprobe fglrx -r radeon drm' wasn't working |
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| 00:50.41 | jordanm | cafaro: did you try glxgears? |
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| 00:51.19 | cafaro | jordanm: it can't find that command... |
| 00:51.26 | cafaro | (as root) |
| 00:51.55 | subhi | Hi all, no strictly a debian problem, but hopefully someone here will know. |
| 00:52.24 | aiux | cafaro, /msg dpkg as |
| 00:52.48 | jordanm | !installit |
| 00:52.48 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude. |
| 00:52.51 | subhi | I am trying to rewrite the to: in mail going to root@ before exim tries to deliver it via a smarthost. I a m failing, is there a clever way of doing it ? |
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| 00:54.14 | Varanger | hi! I am returning to Debian! I remember there is an apt to find the best apt server for you in the console. I just don't remember the name. Anyone please? |
| 00:54.45 | cafaro | jordanm: glxgears returns "Error: couldn't open display (null)" |
| 00:54.47 | subhi | apt-cache? |
| 00:55.18 | aiux | cafaro, as root ? |
| 00:55.26 | cafaro | aiux: yes |
| 00:55.29 | aiux | do it as user |
| 00:56.01 | Varanger | hi! I am returning to Debian! I remember there is an apt to find the best apt server for you in the console. I just don't remember the name. Anyone please? |
| 00:56.02 | cafaro | aiux: same error |
| 00:56.03 | jordanm | cafaro: your user probably does need to be a member of the video group |
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| 00:57.29 | aiux | cafaro, grep vi /etc/group |
| 00:57.54 | aiux | Varanger, /msg dpkg as |
| 00:58.25 | cafaro | aiux: video:x:44:cafaro |
| 00:59.06 | aiux | cafaro, try logout/login .. |
| 00:59.30 | aiux | logout of X , i meant |
| 00:59.34 | cafaro | aiux: same error again |
| 00:59.39 | Varanger | aiux: I think as is not the answer. I remember it was a program that tested the shortest ping to every server and chooses the closest |
| 00:59.58 | aiux | apt-mirror |
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| 01:01.04 | aiux | nah , apt-spy |
| 01:01.39 | aiux | Varanger, apt-cache search apt- , will get you some items |
| 01:02.08 | courpse | Varanger: fastestmirror or something wasnt it? |
| 01:02.20 | Varanger | courpse: Yeah, the fastest mirror |
| 01:02.29 | courpse | Naw, was that the name of it? |
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| 01:03.00 | subhi | fdisk |
| 01:03.07 | subhi | :) |
| 01:03.12 | Varanger | aiux: I googled apt-spy and I also find netselect-apt |
| 01:03.22 | Varanger | aiux: I think it is one of the two |
| 01:03.26 | aiux | apt-spy - writes a sources.list file based on bandwidth tests |
| 01:04.36 | cafaro | well, I've had enough for today |
| 01:04.47 | cafaro | thanks for helping everyone, thanks aiux , thanks jordanm |
| 01:05.22 | Varanger | aiux: Now I remembered! I think apt-spy was better than netselect-apt but it made too simpler sources.list. So I tried which mirror were better with apt-spy and manually edit my own sources.list |
| 01:05.31 | Varanger | aiux: Thanks for the help! |
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| 01:05.45 | aiux | yw |
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| 01:06.19 | itchi | Hi, how do a set the default audio card? Having the build in on the laptop and connected a USB headset. Want to set the default to the headset |
| 01:06.34 | Varanger | bye |
| 01:06.58 | itchi | In vlc i can define the card and the headset is working ok. Now need to set globaly the headset as default. Does someone know how? |
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| 01:07.26 | winXPuser | how do i install real firefox, latest version? |
| 01:07.35 | winXPuser | on debian? (not iceweasel) |
| 01:07.54 | aiux | itchi, in lenny you may define with alsaconf , else i dunno |
| 01:08.13 | aiux | winXPuser, install real firefox is not supported here |
| 01:08.20 | winXPuser | aiux, ?? it must |
| 01:08.28 | aiux | no |
| 01:08.41 | aiux | !firefox |
| 01:08.42 | dpkg | Mozilla Firefox is replaced by Iceweasel in Debian. Ask me about <iceweasel> and <why iceweasel>. |
| 01:08.46 | winXPuser | aiux, ?? ok how to get latest iceweasel then? |
| 01:08.56 | winXPuser | !why iceweasel |
| 01:08.56 | dpkg | Due to Mozilla logos licensing, Mozilla software isn't DFSG-free, so Debian distributes Mozilla software with different logos. One day Mozilla Corporation decided to revoke the agreement to let Debian use Mozilla trademarks, so Debian changed to non-trademarked product names. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation_software_rebranded_in_Debian for more information. http://glandium.org/blog/?p=933. Ask me about <dfsg>. |
| 01:09.06 | itchi | aiux: tried there to but no luck. At least, flash in firefox still play music on the build-in speakers |
| 01:09.07 | aiux | , versions iceweasel |
| 01:09.08 | jordanm | winXPuser: there is a #mozilla channel... installation is rather simple. I recommend sticking with iceweasel |
| 01:09.09 | judd | iceweasel -- etch: 2.0.0.19-0etch1; etch-security: 2.0.0.19-0etch1; lenny: 3.0.6-3; lenny-security: 3.0.6-3; lenny-backports: 3.5.8-1~bpo50+2; squeeze: 3.5.9-2; sid: 3.5.9-3; experimental: 3.6.4~build2-1 |
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| 01:11.21 | aiux | itchi, if in lenny, rerun alsaconf .. |
| 01:11.46 | itchi | aiux: Running squeeze here |
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| 01:11.51 | winXPuser | jordanm, but, they are mostly windows users at #mozilla, they don't know, that's why i'm asking here |
| 01:11.55 | itchi | at least on the laptop |
| 01:11.57 | winXPuser | jordanm, how to get real firefox |
| 01:12.21 | aiux | winXPuser, we told you |
| 01:12.38 | winXPuser | sigh |
| 01:12.52 | winXPuser | aiux, i thought this could be just one line in terminal... okay reading up |
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| 01:13.36 | Cain | winXPuser : google's first link with those words : firefox lenny shows you how to |
| 01:14.08 | winXPuser | Cain, lenny? no idea what it is... sorry to bother you i'll go give google a try |
| 01:14.08 | jordanm | winXPuser: don't do it that way... |
| 01:14.18 | winXPuser | Sigh. |
| 01:14.24 | winXPuser | i'm firefox addons developer |
| 01:14.30 | winXPuser | i badly need real firefox |
| 01:14.31 | aiux | itchi, i run lenny, mainly of alsaconf .. |
| 01:14.36 | Cain | winXPuser : lenny is the actual debian version |
| 01:14.53 | winXPuser | Cain, is it 'sudo apt-get install lenny'? |
| 01:14.55 | jordanm | winXPuser: just fetch the tarball from the website, untar to your homedir, and done |
| 01:15.06 | winXPuser | ohmy |
| 01:15.08 | winXPuser | ok |
| 01:15.37 | jordanm | winXPuser: if you need to symlink the firefox binary to /usr/local/ so you can execute with "firefox" (assuming /usr/local comes first in your $PATH) |
| 01:16.12 | itchi | aiux: Got it :-) with a ~/.asoundrc and three lines: defaults.ctl.card 1 \n defaults.pcm.card 1 \n defaults.timer.card 1 |
| 01:16.15 | itchi | cooool |
| 01:16.38 | itchi | aiux: Teh Sad thing is that X needs to be restarted |
| 01:16.56 | itchi | aiux: But ampache beats my headset now :-) |
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| 01:17.44 | itchi | Next step, getting teh fancy buttons on the headset working lol |
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| 01:19.04 | aiux | itchi, try a complete reboot .. |
| 01:19.40 | itchi | aiux: no, got it heh, just X needs to be started |
| 01:20.12 | Vasistha | Sadly, I am removing linux from a friend's computer; and I deleted the partition where /boot resided. I now get grub error 17. I'd like to just do a chainloader boot, but don't seem to have the option. Is there a bootable cd that will give me a grub prompt? |
| 01:20.14 | itchi | Well, it's already sad enought i may need to restart X lol |
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| 01:21.40 | launch | Hi I would like to know how to use write to talk with somebody on another network? write hisusername@hishost tty?? |
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| 01:24.21 | cesurasean | Fatal server error: no screen found. I copied my old xorg.conf with no luck! please help me out! |
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| 01:25.02 | macrobat | cesurasean: try without a xorg.conf |
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| 01:26.49 | cesurasean | macrobat, what do that do? |
| 01:27.34 | Bop | cesurasean, uses builted in conf |
| 01:27.34 | macrobat | X will try settings automagically |
| 01:27.49 | Bop | with udev and hal |
| 01:27.50 | macrobat | Bop is more correct |
| 01:28.54 | macrobat | Vasistha: maybe this one? http://www.supergrubdisk.org/ |
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| 01:37.33 | laurus | Has anyone here ever burned a Video DVD with growisofs? I can get the burn working correctly, but when I put the disc in the DVD player, part of the image is chopped off. Any ideas? |
| 01:37.54 | manchot | how to blend/integrate a terminal into a gnome desktop? |
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| 01:38.46 | rgr | manchot: you mean transparency? Look at urxvt for one. |
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| 01:39.30 | manchot | rgr, transparency, blend into the desktop, dock in workspace |
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| 01:54.44 | macrobat | manchot: you mean like tilda? |
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| 01:55.34 | Vasistha | manchot: gnome-terminal perhaps? Maybe you need a newer version of gnome, though? Maybe as #gnome on irc.gnome.org |
| 01:55.51 | karsten | any gnuplotters around -- how to specify font for graph title? |
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| 01:57.45 | karsten | finds #gnuplot ... |
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| 02:13.29 | manchot | why am I getting 'can't send to channel' in certain channels? |
| 02:14.02 | aiux | have to register first |
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| 02:24.10 | manchot | anyone using trac wiki here? is it heavy on resources? my server Xen only has 96MB memory |
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| 02:25.43 | aiux | !trac |
| 02:25.43 | dpkg | Trac is a Python wiki and issue tracking system for software development projects, packaged for Debian. Read /usr/share/doc/trac/README.Debian.gz after installing to configure Trac and create a project environment. http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracFaq http://trac.edgewall.org/ #trac on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 02:26.59 | eyzn | i run trac on 128mb xen image |
| 02:27.03 | eyzn | runs pretty good |
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| 02:29.27 | manchot | eyzn, good to hear. why do you choose trac over other wiki platform? |
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| 02:29.40 | manchot | eyzn, is python comparatively heavy in resources? |
| 02:30.21 | eyzn | i run trac because its very easy to install and there are tons of plugins which are very easy to install :) |
| 02:30.29 | eyzn | see http://trac-hacks.org |
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| 02:31.30 | eyzn | i dont know how it compares to other wikis, but i guess its not that heavy - as long as u dont have 1000+ users |
| 02:32.20 | eyzn | and, there is very active development |
| 02:32.48 | manchot | eyzn, what vps company do you use? |
| 02:33.06 | manchot | eyzn, I am considering migrating to a new vps |
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| 02:33.40 | eyzn | im running my own server |
| 02:34.26 | eyzn | actually i use server-housing (dont know the right term :p) |
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| 02:35.42 | eyzn | http://www.hetzner.de (if its ok to post such links here?) - didnt have any problem with hetzner so far |
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| 02:36.50 | manchot | eyzn, it is your server? |
| 02:37.56 | eyzn | a root-server yes |
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| 02:40.56 | manchot | eyzn, I see. |
| 02:44.48 | simonrvn | eyzn: 'hosting' perhaps |
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| 02:45.11 | karlpinc | has always kinda liked moinmoin |
| 02:46.04 | eyzn | right, moinmoin is better than trac, indeed - if u just want the wiki |
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| 02:47.32 | simonrvn | i use ikiwiki. love having a real vcs for revision tracking. |
| 02:48.01 | eyzn | i dont use trac very much nowadays, switched to simple file + git :) |
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| 02:48.20 | nsadmin | , versions tcl8.5 |
| 02:48.22 | judd | tcl8.5 -- lenny: 8.5.3-2; sid: 8.5.8-2; squeeze: 8.5.8-2 |
| 02:49.45 | karlpinc | simonrvn: I'm a darcs fan. A real vcs that's simple to use. |
| 02:50.20 | simonrvn | i'm hooked on git myself. ikiwiki supports a bunch of them. |
| 02:50.57 | simonrvn | bzr, git, svn, cvs, mercurial, maybe arch (iirc it does) |
| 02:52.07 | karlpinc | simonrvn: Thank goodness there's more than cvs these days. |
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| 02:57.12 | Vasistha | well I'll be ... I have an XP.iso file on my linux hard drive |
| 02:57.27 | Vasistha | oops, wrong chan |
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| 03:00.48 | aiux | Vasistha, boot it on virtualbox ... |
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| 03:16.58 | chut | hi people, is there a way i can get latest version of gedit on lenny? |
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| 03:19.18 | manchot | can anyone recommend an easy to use wiki platform? just want to keep notes of debian learning. |
| 03:20.52 | Vasistha | chut: you mean, newer than the version that is distributed with lenny? |
| 03:20.56 | chut | yeah |
| 03:21.18 | Vasistha | chut: well, you can try backports, but I don't think it's going to be easy to get a newer gedit |
| 03:21.42 | chut | ohh yeah, i already had backports |
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| 03:27.47 | Varanger | hello I have to add the user foo to another group. What command should I use? |
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| 03:28.17 | hideo | man usermod |
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| 03:28.56 | Vasistha | Varanger: usermod -aG newgroup username |
| 03:29.50 | Varanger | Vasistha: ty |
| 03:30.14 | Vasistha | Varanger: you should also take a moment to study the manpage so you can figure it out from there next time |
| 03:31.20 | Varanger | Vasistha: ty a lot, the problem was I didn't remember the command |
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| 03:34.05 | FDfh | Cheese is detecting my webcam fine, but Firefox and Chrome aren't; anyone know how to fix this? |
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| 03:38.10 | Ramon | Debian runs on a computer desk? |
| 03:38.10 | Ramon | Also wanted to know if Debian recognizes my Epson Stylus TX115? |
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| 03:38.49 | simonrvn | is that a graphics tablet of some sort or a printer? |
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| 03:41.49 | FDfh | Anyone? |
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| 03:43.38 | simonrvn | those usually use flash to access that. i'm not sure if adobe flash linux supports it. i can't either :P. google didn't help? |
| 03:44.39 | scgtrp | i've installed debian on an absurdly low-memory system (32MB) with debootstrap but it's dumping a stack trace on boot. how can i see what happened before the crash, and how do i fix it? |
| 03:44.52 | FDfh | simonrvn: nope |
| 03:45.33 | simonrvn | hm |
| 03:46.26 | simonrvn | bootlogd might help |
| 03:46.31 | simonrvn | !bootlogd |
| 03:46.31 | dpkg | bootlogd is probably disabled by default. Change /etc/default/bootlogd to "Yes" to populate /var/log/boot . For the reason behind the default, see http://bugs.debian.org/213028 (fixed since sysvinit 2.86.ds1-11). Not a command (as opposed to dmesg). |
| 03:47.08 | scgtrp | simonrvn: it's happening even before init starts, so that probably won't help |
| 03:47.57 | simonrvn | dunno, the kernel docs have stuff for that. enabling some printks for instance. |
| 03:48.24 | simonrvn | "early boot logging" "pre-init boot logging" |
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| 03:49.41 | scgtrp | from the stack trace it looks like it might be happening while unpacking the initrd. could it be too big? |
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| 03:50.35 | simonrvn | mmm 32 is the minimum nowadays iirc (sarge or etch had it at 16). could be, but it usually doesn't unpack to more than ~10-16 |
| 03:50.47 | simonrvn | !lenny release notes |
| 03:50.47 | dpkg | i guess lenny release notes is at http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/releasenotes . See also http://bugs.debian.org/release-notes and http://wiki.debian.org/NewInLenny . Also ask me about <i-g>, <installer firmware>, <etch->lenny key>, <errata>. |
| 03:51.03 | scgtrp | !squeeze release notes |
| 03:51.11 | scgtrp | (this is testing) |
| 03:51.16 | simonrvn | it's not released ;) |
| 03:51.22 | scgtrp | good point. ;) |
| 03:51.26 | aiux | scgtrp, use a serial console to debug |
| 03:51.27 | simonrvn | :) |
| 03:51.36 | simonrvn | that's one way |
| 03:51.43 | scgtrp | aiux: it's only got 4 usb ports and a headphone jack |
| 03:51.58 | simonrvn | is this some dev board? |
| 03:52.03 | scgtrp | ancient internet appliance |
| 03:52.08 | simonrvn | ah |
| 03:52.12 | aiux | http://orockinc.com/images/electronics/RS323.jpg |
| 03:52.21 | scgtrp | (i would hope a dev board had serial console support...) |
| 03:52.35 | scgtrp | i do not have one of those. :( |
| 03:52.41 | simonrvn | indeed |
| 03:53.06 | simonrvn | brb, restarting x *detaches* |
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| 03:55.32 | scgtrp | what format is the initrd in? if i removed some stuff i don't need from it could i make it smaller? |
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| 03:59.00 | scgtrp | also: can i just have grub individually load the modules i need to access the hard drive? |
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| 04:00.50 | wols_ | scgtrp: why? |
| 04:01.02 | scgtrp | wols_: trying to reduce ram usage, the initrd is too big for this thing's ram |
| 04:01.11 | wols_ | build a custom kernel |
| 04:01.20 | scgtrp | that could work, i guess |
| 04:01.41 | scgtrp | (although it'd be nice if i could boot and lspci to see what i need) |
| 04:02.02 | wols_ | you used debootstrap. you can boot and you can run lspci |
| 04:02.23 | scgtrp | i debootstrap'd onto a cf card on my desktop then stuck it in here and tried to boot from it |
| 04:02.50 | wols_ | you have a description of the hardware of that thing? |
| 04:03.06 | wols_ | btw: I wouldn't use debian for such a constrained system |
| 04:03.07 | scgtrp | not a specific enough one to find modules |
| 04:03.11 | scgtrp | what would you recommend? |
| 04:03.18 | simonrvn | scgtrp: you can reduce the size, but a custom kernel would be better. |
| 04:03.19 | wols_ | puppy or DSL |
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| 04:03.28 | wols_ | scgtrp: what hardware is it exactly? |
| 04:03.45 | pcacjr | Is there any software on debian which converts tex to pdf ? |
| 04:03.56 | simonrvn | yes |
| 04:04.00 | simonrvn | !search |
| 04:04.00 | dpkg | Please search for things rather than just asking, e.g. 'apt-cache search regex', or with <aptitude search>. The following ways can locate packages that own a file (installed, or candidate for install): 'dpkg -S /bin/foo', <apt-file>, <pdo> (online) and <help find> (bot). <search dpkg> for factoids. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt and ask me about <bot help>. |
| 04:04.17 | scgtrp | wols_: http://linux.boeldt.net/IA-1_Hardware.asp is all i've found |
| 04:04.34 | scgtrp | ohh! there's lspci output right there |
| 04:04.38 | scgtrp | totally did not see that. |
| 04:04.44 | tuv | is discover (package) deprecated? |
| 04:05.02 | pcacjr | There's one called: texi2pdf, but it's not avaiable on debian :-( |
| 04:05.57 | simonrvn | yes it is |
| 04:06.11 | simonrvn | on my sid: texinfo package |
| 04:06.22 | simonrvn | ,versions texinfo |
| 04:06.23 | judd | texinfo -- etch: 4.8.dfsg.1-4; lenny: 4.11.dfsg.1-4; lenny-backports: 4.13a.dfsg.1-5~bpo50+1; sid: 4.13a.dfsg.1-5; squeeze: 4.13a.dfsg.1-5 |
| 04:06.56 | pcacjr | p texi2html - Convert Texinfo files to HTML |
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| 04:07.02 | pcacjr | There's only this here |
| 04:07.03 | TempNick | http://www.petitemarion.com/?id=1295358 |
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| 04:07.28 | simonrvn | TempNick: do you have a debian question? |
| 04:07.40 | wols_ | scgtrp: just compile in a few old hdd drivers (or usb ones). the old via and amd ones |
| 04:07.41 | simonrvn | pcacjr: dude, read what i said. |
| 04:07.51 | pcacjr | Doh - I see |
| 04:07.54 | pcacjr | Thanks! |
| 04:08.14 | tuv | what's the use of the discover package in modern installations? wasn't it replaced by udev? |
| 04:08.14 | simonrvn | yw |
| 04:08.31 | wols_ | tuv: basically yes |
| 04:08.44 | simonrvn | tuv: pretty much. i suppose it's useful when udev isn't present (FSVO useful) |
| 04:08.57 | tuv | simonrvn: FSVO? |
| 04:09.05 | simonrvn | for some values of |
| 04:09.31 | wols_ | scgtrp: http://linux.boeldt.net/IA-1_Hardware.asp |
| 04:09.48 | tuv | simonrvn: hehe.. (there exists) usefulness (in) discover |
| 04:09.51 | scgtrp | wols_: i just pasted that link here then proceeded to realize there was lspci output there ;) |
| 04:09.56 | wols_ | scgtrp: that link clearly shows the lspci output. it's a Via 586 chipset (ugly mofo) |
| 04:10.01 | tuv | doesn't have a utf input method handy |
| 04:10.28 | wols_ | scgtrp: what do you intend to do with this hardware? |
| 04:11.40 | scgtrp | wols_: i'm not completely sure yet, at this point it's just a "hey, i have that old piece of crap on my desk, i think i'll install linux on it today" type project |
| 04:12.13 | scgtrp | i'm thinking about doing lfs for it, actually |
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| 04:12.37 | wols_ | scgtrp: no use |
| 04:12.50 | scgtrp | (besides getting it to be absurdly small) |
| 04:15.50 | aiux | scgtrp, tinycore install on 10 MB (X included ) |
| 04:16.09 | aiux | tinycorelinux* |
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| 04:16.40 | scgtrp | interesting |
| 04:17.19 | simonrvn | x on 10 mb? wtf? maybe using a statically compiled xephyr |
| 04:17.39 | aiux | http://www.tinycorelinux.com/ |
| 04:17.51 | scgtrp | i'm not sure whether i want X yet or not, still don't really know what this will be used for |
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| 04:18.35 | eft | linux noob here - what tools are best to document my actions on the command line? log bash history? others? |
| 04:19.00 | scgtrp | bash keeps history in ~/.bash_history |
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| 04:21.59 | eft | scgtrp: and it's pretty configurable i.e. filter out freq commands like ls -al ? Is that a good way to go? |
| 04:22.44 | scgtrp | eft: it's just a file, you can do whatever you want with it |
| 04:23.10 | scgtrp | eft: 'history |grep ls' maybe? |
| 04:23.45 | Tramp | eft: PROMPT_COMMAND='logger -t [cmdlog $USER] -p local5.info "$(history 1)"' - then setup syslog to isolate this to a seperate file and postprocess the file (using logrotate and a custom script) |
| 04:24.26 | simonrvn | funkay =) |
| 04:24.29 | Tramp | well, that's the way I do it. ymmv |
| 04:24.36 | scgtrp | < eft> linux noob here [...] |
| 04:24.38 | scgtrp | good luck ;) |
| 04:24.59 | scgtrp | anyway, thanks |
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| 04:25.35 | eft | scgtrp: over my head |
| 04:25.43 | eft | Tramp: sounds heuristic |
| 04:25.51 | eft | thanks ! |
| 04:25.56 | Tramp | heuristic? |
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| 04:26.36 | Walhter | Hi, what should I do. I got 3 2 TB drives, what would work best RAID 5 or 10? |
| 04:27.27 | eft | Tramp: "a rule of thumb, generally based on expert experience or common sense..." or something like that |
| 04:28.00 | Tramp | if you say that ... :) |
| 04:29.18 | tuv | any opinions/experiences on using FAI vs puppet for centralized configuration management on a debian network? |
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| 04:44.56 | Varista`nb | I've never done a debian install before and I'm trying to get ssh working on a remote machine. communicating with them through a messenger... used the i386 netinstal, can't su or sudo. He did setup a desktop environment... should that not have been done? |
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| 04:45.30 | Walhter | what happened to this chan? few years ago it was inpossible to sort all the chatter in the chan? |
| 04:45.45 | Varista`nb | err...what? |
| 04:45.46 | Walhter | Varista`nb: you need to install sshd |
| 04:45.57 | Varista`nb | Walhter: apt-get install ssh doesn't work. |
| 04:46.05 | Walhter | opensshd |
| 04:46.09 | Varista`nb | no |
| 04:46.10 | dondelelcaro | Varista`nb: it's openssh-server |
| 04:46.11 | Walhter | openssh-server |
| 04:46.12 | Varista`nb | apt-get doesn't work. |
| 04:46.21 | dondelelcaro | Varista`nb: doesn't work in what way? |
| 04:46.23 | Varista`nb | doesn't have access to the files and su and sudo won't work. |
| 04:46.33 | Varista`nb | 1 moment. |
| 04:46.33 | dondelelcaro | Varista`nb: if you can't su or sudo, then you don't have root access. |
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| 04:46.49 | Walhter | do you know root's password |
| 04:46.50 | Varista`nb | I'm not doing the setup...trying to guide someone through it. |
| 04:46.59 | Varista`nb | Supposedly, yes. |
| 04:47.16 | dondelelcaro | Varista`nb: well, then they should be able to su to root |
| 04:47.40 | Walhter | and add you to sudo users list |
| 04:47.52 | Varista`nb | Yeah I know how to do that Walhter. |
| 04:47.58 | Walhter | visudo |
| 04:48.18 | Varista`nb | I guess I'm trying to figure out... there's no way to setup debian in which you wouldn't have root access by default or something is there? |
| 04:48.23 | dondelelcaro | Varista`nb: nope |
| 04:48.41 | dondelelcaro | Varista`nb: if you know the root password, you should be able to su to root |
| 04:48.55 | Varista`nb | Yeah... he's not too linux savy |
| 04:49.02 | Varista`nb | I think it's just a miscommunication... sorry. |
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| 04:49.22 | Walhter | he should type "su -" |
| 04:49.39 | Walhter | and login as root, install openssh-server |
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| 04:49.43 | Walhter | and logout |
| 04:49.50 | Varista`nb | mmhm.. |
| 04:50.13 | Varista`nb | frustrating :/ |
| 04:50.18 | Varista`nb | somehow it works for him now.. |
| 04:50.34 | Varista`nb | probably didn't do something I told him too.. :< |
| 04:50.38 | Varista`nb | Thanks for the help all. |
| 04:50.44 | Walhter | so.. about my question |
| 04:50.53 | Walhter | i got 3 drivers |
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| 04:51.07 | Walhter | raid 10 or raid 5? |
| 04:51.09 | Vasistha | Varista`nb: I wonder if he had another instance of aptitude running on another terminal -- that would prevent root from accessing the files. |
| 04:51.20 | Varista`nb | nah |
| 04:51.20 | Walhter | yeah |
| 04:51.26 | Varista`nb | he's a complete linux no0b |
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| 04:51.43 | Varista`nb | he tried installing alpha on a p4 @_@ |
| 04:51.45 | Vasistha | Walhter: well, I've never set up a raid array, but it would seem that 3 drives wouldn't map very well to raid10 |
| 04:51.56 | wols_ | Walhter: how do you do raid10 with 3 drives? |
| 04:52.31 | tuv | is raid10 == raid0 + raid1 ? |
| 04:52.37 | valdyn | no |
| 04:52.41 | Walhter | i don't know, it seems to work as a md |
| 04:52.44 | wols_ | tuv: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raid10#RAID_10_.28RAID_1.2B0.29 |
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| 04:53.58 | Walhter | also I am getting a error when making a partition that's more then 3TB |
| 04:54.06 | Walhter | in debian-installer |
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| 04:54.18 | wols_ | max for MBR type partition tables is 2TB |
| 04:54.53 | Walhter | do i need to set them as gdr |
| 04:54.59 | Vasistha | 2 TB probably = 2^32 sectors of 512 B |
| 04:55.01 | wols_ | what is "gdr"? |
| 04:55.13 | Walhter | how do you get around that? |
| 04:55.17 | wols_ | !gpt |
| 04:55.27 | wols_ | dpkg: wakeup |
| 04:55.27 | dpkg | i haven't a clue, wols_ |
| 04:56.31 | simonrvn | erm? |
| 04:56.35 | simonrvn | !test |
| 04:56.35 | dpkg | Test failed. |
| 04:56.59 | simonrvn | seems ok |
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| 04:57.22 | Varista`nb | Walhter: is there any way for him to actively view my session? |
| 04:57.25 | simonrvn | !listkeys gpt |
| 04:57.27 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'gpt' by key returned no results. |
| 04:57.34 | Varista`nb | So he might be able to learn as I work? |
| 04:57.35 | simonrvn | well that's why |
| 04:57.44 | simonrvn | screen -x |
| 04:57.53 | simonrvn | you'll have to set a password |
| 04:58.05 | Varista`nb | we could both be in the same screen? |
| 04:58.11 | simonrvn | and allow other users to join |
| 04:58.20 | Varista`nb | okay. |
| 04:58.27 | simonrvn | yes. don't ask me how beyond that, i've never done it. |
| 04:58.57 | wols_ | uf his/your internet connection can do it, vnc is also a good choice |
| 04:59.07 | tuv | so raid10, at least in linux, is a single raid configuration, whereas raid 0+1 is two layers of raid? would that mean better performance for raid10? any (other) practical differences? |
| 04:59.17 | simonrvn | vnc only does gui though, no? |
| 04:59.39 | simonrvn | !raid howto |
| 04:59.49 | valdyn | tuv: raid10 is just different to raid0+1 apart from the layering |
| 05:00.07 | Walhter | tuv: they claim better performance |
| 05:00.09 | valdyn | tuv: that layering's speed impact should be irrelevant |
| 05:00.13 | Walhter | then raid 5 |
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| 05:00.59 | valdyn | Walhter: raid10 ought to be faster for concurrent accesses, slower for a single read or a single write |
| 05:01.27 | valdyn | but not at exactly 3 disks in that raid |
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| 05:01.29 | tuv | valdyn: wikipedia says: RAID 10, is similar to a RAID 0+1 with exception that the RAID levels used are reversed |
| 05:01.57 | valdyn | tuv: linux raid10 is not really raid10 |
| 05:02.02 | valdyn | tuv: its different |
| 05:02.26 | Walhter | valdyn: they say it's more like raid 5E |
| 05:02.56 | simonrvn | express? extra? extended? :P |
| 05:02.58 | tuv | is there a scenario where raid 0+1 is preferrable than linux' raid10? |
| 05:03.09 | Varista`nb | wols_: what were you saying about vnc? |
| 05:03.10 | tuv | s/than/over |
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| 05:03.51 | Walhter | valdyn: so I need minimum of 4 disks for linu raid5 to really work |
| 05:04.03 | Walhter | i meen raid10 |
| 05:04.28 | valdyn | Walhter: you need a minimum of 4 disks for by the book raid10, but not for linux raid10 |
| 05:05.11 | Walhter | valdyn: so if the one goes down, i'm pooped |
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| 05:06.33 | Walhter | i'm unclear from wiki document about the parity |
| 05:06.49 | Walhter | where's all that parity stored |
| 05:06.52 | valdyn | raid10 has no parity |
| 05:06.59 | Walhter | oh |
| 05:07.58 | Walhter | so it's more like raid 0 |
| 05:08.10 | valdyn | no |
| 05:08.22 | tuv | Walhter: it has mirroring, from the 1 |
| 05:08.46 | valdyn | raid10 has mirror + stripe and needs at least 2 disks on linux |
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| 05:11.32 | Walhter | so how would that work with 3 drives |
| 05:11.48 | Vasistha | so I guess in linux raid10 with two disks would only look at one disk for each block, however the other disk would have a mirror of it... though it wouldn't be checking that mirror, as it would rather be looking for complementary blocks? |
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| 05:14.18 | Walhter | Vasistha: so with extra disk, it would split blocks to sec drive |
| 05:15.01 | Walhter | i don't get it how's that difrent then raid5 |
| 05:15.05 | Vasistha | Walhter: I have no idea what it would do with a 3rd disk... in fact I'm skeptical that raid10 could ever use 3 disks. It's gotta be an even number afaik. I've never set up a raid array, though. |
| 05:15.50 | Walhter | grrr, I don't have space left for any more drives |
| 05:16.08 | Vasistha | Walhter: traditionally raid10 is going to take an even number of disks, not fewer than 4. uh... just look at the diagrams on the wikipedia article. |
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| 05:16.57 | Walhter | I would need to buy a braket to mount my 4th drive in disk drive bay |
| 05:17.43 | Vasistha | Walhter: I am *guessing* that when linux claims to make a raid10 array from two disks, what it is really doing is making two identical disks (raid0 mirror), and then at read time, treating them like a raid1 by reading different sectors from the two, to speed up read times. I'm not sure if it uses the raid0 to verify integrity |
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| 05:21.06 | Walhter | yeah, and that's why 3 2TB partitions show up as a 2TB |
| 05:22.03 | Walhter | and not 3TB with raid5 |
| 05:22.05 | tuv | is there a comparison somewhere between linux' raid 10 and a 2-layer raid 1+0 (linux too)? |
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| 05:22.24 | tuv | or, is there any advantage to using a 2-layer raid 1+0 compared to linux' raid10? |
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| 05:23.32 | wols_ | valdyn: what is linux raid10 then? linkage? |
| 05:24.18 | Walhter | so it's a mirror with split reads |
| 05:24.37 | Vasistha | Walhter: keep in mind that was a *guess* |
| 05:24.52 | Vasistha | ...though I can't imagine what else it would be. |
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| 05:25.33 | Vasistha | If my guess happens to be right, the advantage of traditional raid10 would be that data integrity checks happen whenever data is accessed |
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| 05:26.51 | Walhter | i will try it now. see how many failures it supports |
| 05:27.59 | Walhter | i'l make 3 100mb part |
| 05:29.15 | Varanger | it's strange when I configure my wlan with wireless-tools in consoles (iwlist, iwconfig, ifconfig) is slower than NetworkManager in KDE/Gnome |
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| 05:30.07 | Varanger | Varanger: I mean slower in download speeds |
| 05:30.09 | Walhter | also gtk debian-installer does not work asus P6T mobo |
| 05:30.57 | Walhter | well usb kb/mouse |
| 05:31.27 | Walhter | wish i did dump all my ps/2 stuff |
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| 05:32.46 | Vasistha | Varanger: that's quite odd! |
| 05:33.10 | Vasistha | Varanger: hmm .. wonder if it's a dns issue |
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| 05:33.26 | Varanger | Vasistha: the same laptop, same router, same time |
| 05:34.03 | Vasistha | Varanger: yeah, I gather -- I wonder if you are getting different DNS assignments from the different configs. that could account for an apparent difference |
| 05:35.17 | Varanger | Vasistha: I don't know that, I'll try later, I am downloading right now and the speeds are incredible comparing wireless-tools' ones. I don't want to touch the connection |
| 05:36.04 | Vasistha | Varanger: odd. I dunno what to say about it. |
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| 06:06.43 | WormFood | why does Linux sometimes use the wrong source address on packets, and how do I fix it? I have 2 logical network interfaces, and sometimes it just uses the wrong source address. |
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| 06:08.00 | WormFood | I have one interface with an 192.168.1.x address, and another with a 10.0.0.x address, and sometimes it send out the 192.168.1.x address as the source over the 10.0.0.x interface....does not make much sense to me, as to why it would do that. |
| 06:08.59 | Vasistha | WormFood: maybe you need to configure something with route |
| 06:09.15 | kingsley | Perhaps it's caused by routing all traffic from a private network through a shared gateway, like a cable/DSL modem for example. |
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| 06:10.17 | WormFood | I have 2 gateways....some networks are routed over one, while everything else goes out over the default gateway |
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| 06:11.05 | Vasistha | WormFood: maybe you can pastebin the output of /sbin/route ? |
| 06:11.46 | WormFood | yeah, I can do that, but I don't think it will help...hold on a sec |
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| 06:12.33 | WormFood | http://pastebin.com/uE1JmVLQ |
| 06:12.50 | Vasistha | WormFood: well, it was a pretty blind suggestion. I've never used multiple interfaces myself |
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| 06:13.39 | WormFood | yeah, as your comments suggested you didn't know :P |
| 06:14.18 | WormFood | basic routing is actually pretty straight forward. I've been configuring this kinda stuff for over 10 years now. |
| 06:14.58 | WormFood | but the advanced routing can get pretty hairy |
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| 06:15.31 | kingsley | WormFood: Could some kind of load balancing be to blame? |
| 06:16.01 | WormFood | I'm not running any kinda load balancing software, and since it originates on my side of things, it wouldn't be the isp |
| 06:16.23 | WormFood | my isp does not even know what my internal network addresses are |
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| 06:17.00 | WormFood | I understand windows file sharing does the same thing (send out bad source addresses over the wrong interface) |
| 06:17.28 | kingsley | I seem to recall a channel named #networking. Maybe someone there would know more. |
| 06:17.43 | WormFood | good call kingsley, I had forgotten about that |
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| 07:00.36 | meowbuntu | hi all i am needing to find this application where do i go its an older version skype-debian_2.0.0.68-1_i386.deb |
| 07:03.03 | wols_ | !skype |
| 07:03.03 | dpkg | [skype] a proprietary cross-platform VoIP program which Debian cannot distribute due to its restrictive license. Packages are available from http://www.skype.com/download/skype/linux/ or use the sources.list line "deb http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian/ stable non-free". Not supported in #debian, consider using <ekiga>, <linphone> or <pidgin> instead. http://wiki.debian.org/skype |
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| 07:04.18 | Peacimowen | no proprietary junk here ;) |
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| 07:07.09 | K0JIbKA | what about <ekiga> terms of service? |
| 07:07.28 | Argafal | meowbuntu: i might have a 2.0.0.72 here, the version before their video changes, some cams work with that but not with newer ones. |
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| 07:07.54 | meowbuntu | wols_, this package is a debian one though skype-debian_2.0.0.68-1_i386.deb |
| 07:08.08 | K0JIbKA | like that service is going to cancel your account after some time of silence? |
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| 07:08.19 | wols_ | meowbuntu: it is not |
| 07:08.21 | meowbuntu | Argafal, its ok anything will do |
| 07:08.25 | SAFENil | hi |
| 07:08.29 | meowbuntu | skype-debian_2.0.0.68-1_i386.deb |
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| 07:08.37 | meowbuntu | read the package man |
| 07:08.39 | Argafal | meowbuntu: you got a query with an uri. |
| 07:09.07 | meowbuntu | wols_, read this then http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=778691 |
| 07:09.14 | Argafal | meowbuntu: and this package contains nothing debian specific, so relax a bit.... |
| 07:09.15 | wols_ | meowbuntu: you need a clue what the debian dfsg is. /msg dpkg dfsg. if a software doesn't meet that contract, it will NEVER be in debian. sykpe never has met it and probably never will |
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| 07:09.39 | wols_ | meowbuntu: I don't give a fuck about some other distro's forum |
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| 07:09.49 | Peacimowen | ubuntu != debian |
| 07:10.30 | wols_ | K0JIbKA: what terms of service does ekiga have? isn't simply a SIP client? |
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| 07:11.21 | K0JIbKA | wols_:you have to set account first. that account can be expired. |
| 07:12.08 | wols_ | K0JIbKA: it's a SIP client. that's an industry wide standardized protocol for VoIP... you don't need any account. it helps to have one with any VoIP provider you want but it's not strictly needed |
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| 07:12.51 | K0JIbKA | I use skype because too many people use it in wide range of systems all around the globe |
| 07:13.03 | wols_ | that's fine but irrelevant for #debian |
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| 07:13.54 | K0JIbKA | you have to break the silence from time to time:) |
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| 07:16.40 | Zbyshek | is anybody using duplicity for automated regular backups? |
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| 07:20.45 | Juozapas | hi |
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| 07:21.40 | tdn | Is there a global .Xdefaults? |
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| 07:24.35 | wols_ | !anoyne use duplicity for automated regular backups |
| 07:24.41 | wols_ | !anyone use duplicity for automated regular backups |
| 07:24.41 | dpkg | No, no one uses duplicity for automated regular backups, not even the people who use it. |
| 07:24.57 | wols_ | tdn: maybe in /etc/X11/ ? |
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| 07:25.45 | wols_ | tdn: or you can put a default .Xdefaults in /etc/skel/ |
| 07:25.57 | meowbuntu | man you guys are so out of date like skype-debian_2.0.0.68-1_i386.deb |
| 07:26.09 | meowbuntu | is a package |
| 07:26.28 | tdn | wols_, skel will only copy the file once when I create a new user, right? I need this for several existing users also. |
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| 07:26.47 | tdn | wols_, where do I find information on how to create a global Xdefaults in /etc/X11? |
| 07:26.50 | wols_ | tdn: yes, only for new users |
| 07:27.17 | wols_ | tdn: I dunno if that location is even honored. but if there is a global one, it would be the logical place X would look in |
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| 07:29.21 | tdn | wols_, ok. So it should be called .Xdefaults or Xdefaults then? |
| 07:29.27 | tdn | wols_, I need it for settings for xterm. |
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| 07:32.54 | alcohol | mornin' all |
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| 07:39.08 | distress | greetings |
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| 07:46.04 | wols_ | tdn: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=%22%2Fetc%2FX11%2FXdefaults%22 |
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| 07:49.15 | xro | hi, i would like to restrict ssh access to only one host... how should i do it? i read the sshd_config without success |
| 07:52.53 | distress | xro: /etc/hosts.* |
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| 07:55.03 | OpenTokix | or iptables |
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| 07:56.41 | jwoods | any way to resize a live ext3 partition? |
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| 08:01.01 | wols_ | jwoods: remount it read only. resize with gparted. reboot |
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| 08:01.50 | desktop-newbie | I have an old Toshiba Satellite 4070CDS laptop and installed Lenny on it. |
| 08:02.17 | jwoods | wols_: here's the issue, and thanks i can look that up |
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| 08:02.27 | jwoods | i got a server from a really dumb host that well, one sec |
| 08:02.30 | jwoods | !pastebin |
| 08:02.30 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastebin.ca/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>. |
| 08:03.32 | jwoods | http://pastie.org/948049 |
| 08:03.40 | jwoods | ignore that sorry lol |
| 08:04.01 | desktop-newbie | Toshiba Satellite 4070 CDS Specification: 366MHz Intel Celeron n/a IDE USB/PCMCIA 2.5,Trident Cyber 9525, 2.5 MB. It also has 192MB RAM and a 10 gig hard disk. |
| 08:04.31 | jwoods | http://pastie.org/948050 |
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| 08:04.56 | jwoods | the guys setting it up managed to not even hit cylender boundry's for partitions |
| 08:05.05 | jwoods | obviously used some image that was not setup correctly |
| 08:05.12 | wols_ | jwoods: and? |
| 08:05.45 | jwoods | does it matter? |
| 08:05.50 | wols_ | no |
| 08:05.52 | jwoods | mm |
| 08:06.01 | wols_ | unless you're running on a SSD |
| 08:06.05 | jwoods | mm |
| 08:06.16 | jwoods | or a newer drive that uses 4k clusters by default like the ssd's |
| 08:06.36 | wols_ | then the cylinder boundary isn't the problem either |
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| 08:15.37 | doubleclick | how do i list held packages? |
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| 08:17.55 | doubleclick | aptitude search ~i | grep ih did the trick |
| 08:17.58 | doubleclick | :) |
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| 08:20.16 | doubleclick | btw, should i use 2.6.32-3 or 2.6.32-trunk in squeeze? |
| 08:20.20 | bolt | is there a way to run grep on the last part of a log file? i have a 16 gb logfile, and i'm looking for something that's definately within the last 100 megs |
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| 08:20.41 | desktop-newbie | The install went OK but I am experiencing hard lock ups. The errors were as follows: hda: status error: status=0xd0 { Busy } ide: failed opcode was: unknown ide0: reset timed out, status=0xd0 hda: status timeout: status=0xd0 { Busy } ide0: reset: success |
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| 08:21.48 | doubleclick | bolt: you could tail the last 100 megs and then grep that? |
| 08:22.00 | desktop-newbie | I thought it was the hard disk but I tried 3 different ones and I still get lock ups. Moreover, XP was originally on the laptop and it was working OK. So what can this newbie do? |
| 08:23.54 | bolt | desktop-newbie: last time I had that, it was actually the cable |
| 08:24.21 | bolt | desktop-newbie: XP didn't react to it for me too. guess it tried to handle the error and just shuts up about it, running slowly for seemingly no reason |
| 08:24.48 | desktop-newbie | sorry, what could possibly be wrong with my laptop cable? Is that something a desktop newbie like me can easily solve? |
| 08:25.20 | bolt | oh. it's in a laptop. i'm talking about the data cable for the harddrive, but in a laptop, that could be hard to replace |
| 08:25.32 | bolt | what kind of machine is this? |
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| 08:26.01 | desktop-newbie | Toshiba Satellite 4070 CDS Specification: 366MHz Intel Celeron n/a IDE USB/PCMCIA 2.5,Trident Cyber 9525, 2.5 MB. It also has 192MB RAM and a 10 gig hard disk. |
| 08:26.15 | desktop-newbie | yes, it is a Toshiba laptop |
| 08:26.19 | bolt | ooh. speed devil :P |
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| 08:27.29 | bolt | in lack of better advice, maybe try lowering the DMA settings on the drive with hdparm, making it run a bit slower. that also solved it in my last case, but replacing the data cable removed the problem |
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| 08:29.11 | desktop-newbie | bolt, i think DMA is disabled. But how can this desktop newbie replace the laptop´ s data cable? |
| 08:30.10 | bolt | you should verify that DMA is indeed off first. replacing the cable should be your last option. to do that, you'd need a compatible cable (eBay?) and the service manual. but it's a big operation |
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| 08:34.24 | desktop-newbie | i have been trying to find the laptop´s service manual for ages. Google was not my friend. When you say a compatible cable you mean the cable is proprietary? |
| 08:35.02 | bolt | desktop-newbie: probably not, but it was likely specially made for the laptop. with a specific shape and length |
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| 08:35.34 | bolt | but it might not even be the cable in your case. it is just an easy thing to check if this was a desktop machine |
| 08:36.28 | desktop-newbie | I wish my laptop was a desktop but it is a laptop I am afraid. |
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| 08:39.11 | desktop-newbie | bolt, do i have to pass any kernel options at boot time or perhaps as soon as the os is up and running? |
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| 08:39.35 | bolt | desktop-newbie: you can set dma settings with hdparm on the fly |
| 08:39.50 | bolt | desktop-newbie: just don't set it to anything faster than what you have already |
| 08:40.03 | bolt | desktop-newbie: google for procedures. i haven't done that in a long time |
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| 08:43.21 | desktop-newbie | now, I am getting an even scarier error: "journal commit I/O error" and can not execute any command. not even reboot. What can i do? Just press the power button and hope I do not end up with a screwed FS? |
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| 08:43.53 | desktop-newbie | i will be back in 5 minutes |
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| 08:51.21 | desktop-newbie | now i got a hard lock up which has completely frozen my laptop for over 5 minutes. I will press the power button now because it seems i have no other option |
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| 08:55.19 | desktop-newbie | bolt, i pressed the power button and power off my laptop. I pressed the button again to power it on and now I am at the grub menu. Shall i enter the option ide=nodma ? |
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| 08:56.42 | nsadmin | do you know where to put it? |
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| 08:57.09 | desktop-newbie | nsadmin, you talking to me? |
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| 08:57.14 | nsadmin | yeah |
| 08:57.39 | desktop-newbie | yes, i have to press e to edit the grub thing |
| 08:57.46 | nsadmin | are you using grub2 (actually 1.9somethign) or grub legacy |
| 08:58.11 | nsadmin | exactly, I take it you've done that before |
| 08:58.13 | desktop-newbie | GNU Grub version 0.97 which is the one that comes with lenny |
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| 08:58.26 | nsadmin | that's legacy |
| 08:58.38 | desktop-newbie | so how shall i proceed? |
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| 08:59.32 | desktop-newbie | nsadmin, I am at the grub menu. Shall i enter the option ide=nodma ? Or perhaps any other option? |
| 08:59.33 | nsadmin | oh, you mean what to put? or how to get it there? you were working with someone, they should say more probably |
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| 09:00.06 | desktop-newbie | i was talking to bolt but seems to be away at the moment |
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| 09:00.25 | maxagaz | how to send a file in attachment using the command mail ? (echo "my message" | mail -s "my subject" me@mydomain.com) |
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| 09:00.29 | nsadmin | ok, what did bolt say about that option? |
| 09:00.36 | desktop-newbie | nothing |
| 09:00.57 | curtlee | how can I do the reverse of dpkg -L ? |
| 09:00.59 | nsadmin | ok, where did you get the idea for that? |
| 09:01.26 | curtlee | find what package a file came from |
| 09:01.35 | nsadmin | curtlee: apt-file |
| 09:01.51 | desktop-newbie | google. i did google the issue i am having and found some suggestions but NO definite answer |
| 09:01.53 | nsadmin | or packages.debian.org |
| 09:02.11 | nsadmin | so, do you want to try with dma off? |
| 09:02.19 | wcs | hi guys |
| 09:02.21 | curtlee | I don't have that |
| 09:02.32 | nsadmin | so you'd have to install it |
| 09:02.40 | curtlee | really? |
| 09:03.05 | nsadmin | well if you want to do it that way, you could search on the web site |
| 09:03.15 | curtlee | apt doesn't already have this? |
| 09:03.19 | curtlee | or dpkg |
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| 09:04.08 | nsadmin | curtlee: well you could try dpkg -S <file> |
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| 09:04.26 | desktop-newbie | nsadmin, i did try dma off but it was not the solution. It only gave me a few minutes extra before the hard lock up would completely freeze my laptop |
| 09:04.28 | nsadmin | and you can also check out... dpkg --help |
| 09:05.17 | nsadmin | desktop-newbie: hmm. I know things about grub... but you're already past that |
| 09:05.34 | nsadmin | I wonder if the driver is trying to do dma |
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| 09:05.59 | desktop-newbie | nsadmin, so what can this desktop newbie do right now? |
| 09:06.37 | nsadmin | I'm not familiar with dma on hds... but, you say it works right now in win? |
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| 09:07.12 | curtlee | nsadmin, thank you dpkg -S worked well |
| 09:07.35 | desktop-newbie | All my friends who use windows, keep on telling me to reinstall XP because "it just works" and because "linux" is too geeky and difficult |
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| 09:08.01 | curtlee | hahahahahha |
| 09:08.14 | curtlee | XP doesn't "Just Work" |
| 09:08.45 | desktop-newbie | curtlee, do you have a working solution to my problem? |
| 09:08.51 | curtlee | you would have to reinstall and search for hours for drivers |
| 09:08.59 | nsadmin | desktop-newbie: they're right about one thing,,, linux will tend to take up your time |
| 09:09.56 | curtlee | I find that Ubuntu "Just Works". Fresh install, 0 problems. Just use it. |
| 09:10.10 | nsadmin | desktop-newbie: if you can, run lspci -nn and get the output into a file |
| 09:10.18 | nsadmin | btw, did the installer work fine? |
| 09:10.23 | jelly | desktop-newbie: how old is that disk? |
| 09:10.23 | curtlee | what is your problem, desktop-newbie? |
| 09:10.29 | desktop-newbie | I have an old Toshiba Satellite 4070CDS laptop and installed Lenny on it. |
| 09:10.34 | desktop-newbie | Toshiba Satellite 4070 CDS Specification: 366MHz Intel Celeron n/a IDE USB/PCMCIA 2.5,Trident Cyber 9525, 2.5 MB. It also has 192MB RAM and a 10 gig hard disk. |
| 09:10.41 | desktop-newbie | The install went OK but I am experiencing hard lock ups. The errors were as follows: hda: status error: status=0xd0 { Busy } ide: failed opcode was: unknown ide0: reset timed out, status=0xd0 hda: status timeout: status=0xd0 { Busy } ide0: reset: success |
| 09:10.48 | desktop-newbie | I thought it was the hard disk but I tried 3 different ones and I still get lock ups. Moreover, XP was originally on the laptop and it was working OK. So what can this newbie do? |
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| 09:11.29 | nsadmin | someone suggested it might be a bad cable, but replacing it is a difficult operation for a laptop |
| 09:11.45 | desktop-newbie | and especially for a newbie, right? |
| 09:12.02 | nsadmin | you keep saying that :P |
| 09:12.10 | desktop-newbie | what? |
| 09:12.16 | jelly | desktop-newbie: which os was on the machine before? Can you a livecd or three, different distros? |
| 09:12.17 | nsadmin | newbie |
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| 09:12.26 | curtlee | I know this is a debian channel, but you could try Ubuntu |
| 09:12.52 | jelly | desktop-newbie: and perhaps... stop refering to yourself in third person? |
| 09:12.57 | desktop-newbie | nsadmin, i just want to make it crystal clear to people that i am not a geek |
| 09:13.13 | tdn | I am trying to make an initrd with an init script that boots up and does the following: boots up; partitions the harddisk to one big partition; mkfs a root fs; mounts this fs; rsyncs some basic files to this partition; installs boot loader; reboots. I have created a proof of concept initrd with an init script that just echoes hello world and the exits. How can I partition the disk from this init script? How do I get acccess to tools such as fdisk? |
| 09:13.28 | curtlee | you would try a live cd and see what happens |
| 09:13.48 | desktop-newbie | jelly, XP was originally on the laptop. It worked flawlessly |
| 09:13.55 | nsadmin | but the live cd would avoid the hd |
| 09:14.19 | curtlee | he could mount and use the hd |
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| 09:14.55 | desktop-newbie | And remember using a live CD on an old laptop which has only 192MB RAM (the maximum supported) is dead slow |
| 09:15.28 | nsadmin | it would be a way to try it... but my curiousity at the moment is, since this is an older laptop, was the closest driver left out of the kernel |
| 09:15.58 | nsadmin | the live cd would at least let you run lspci -nn |
| 09:16.02 | curtlee | try Get Xubuntu | Xubuntu |
| 09:16.03 | curtlee | You need 192 MB RAM to run the Live CD |
| 09:16.13 | desktop-newbie | nsadmin, i do not understand your question |
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| 09:17.16 | nsadmin | desktop-newbie: you understand what a kernel is? |
| 09:17.20 | desktop-newbie | yes |
| 09:17.20 | thieu | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:17.47 | nsadmin | which is comprised of (among other things) a bunch of device drivers |
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| 09:18.09 | desktop-newbie | i do not understand what you mean by "was the closest driver left out of the kernel" |
| 09:18.14 | dancek | curtlee, rather lubuntu |
| 09:18.28 | curtlee | is there a live cd for it? |
| 09:18.43 | curtlee | i haven't seen a lubuntu live cd |
| 09:18.46 | nsadmin | well debian kernels try to put every driver possible into the package as a kernel module |
| 09:19.06 | nsadmin | I'm thinking that the correct driver for your laptop has been left out |
| 09:19.12 | desktop-newbie | i see! |
| 09:19.13 | dancek | curtlee, as of 10.04, yes: http://lubuntu.net/ |
| 09:19.17 | nsadmin | but that's a guess |
| 09:19.32 | curtlee | http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ |
| 09:19.35 | curtlee | no live cd |
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| 09:20.11 | nsadmin | err not for your laptop, but for the HD interface on your laptop; "closer" means "more specific to that chipset" |
| 09:20.17 | curtlee | that is not a official release |
| 09:20.51 | nsadmin | 10.04 still not released yet? |
| 09:20.53 | curtlee | don't get me wrong, I do love lubuntu |
| 09:21.21 | curtlee | 10.04 came out 29th last month |
| 09:21.45 | curtlee | hince the name 10.04 |
| 09:21.51 | jelly | desktop-newbie: how fast, or how often does the machine lock up? Did you manage to install it from the first try? |
| 09:21.59 | nsadmin | Lucid Labrador? |
| 09:22.13 | curtlee | Lucid Lynx |
| 09:22.34 | themill | tries to work out why we're talking about ubuntu |
| 09:22.40 | curtlee | but I am using bleeding edge, I don't really care about the releases |
| 09:22.40 | jelly | Lucid #debian-offtopic, unless you're helping a use with this |
| 09:22.49 | jelly | user* |
| 09:22.59 | dancek | curtlee, do note that xubuntu isn't officially supported by ubuntu either: http://www.ubuntu.com/products/whatisubuntu/derivatives |
| 09:23.42 | desktop-newbie | jelly, the install went OK first time. the machine locks up less than 20 minutes after lenny is up and running. |
| 09:24.30 | jelly | desktop-newbie: that's reasonably interesting, and implies the boot-up kernel and kernel options used with the installer didn't exhibit problems |
| 09:24.30 | curtlee | It is downloadable from ubuntu's site and you can file bugs on the live cd |
| 09:25.01 | themill | dancek, curtlee: please take it to #ubuntu or a /msg. |
| 09:25.21 | jelly | desktop-newbie: so yeah, it might be useful do try misc. ide= boot params |
| 09:25.31 | curtlee | just trying to give desktop-newbie options |
| 09:25.39 | nsadmin | jelly: not necessarily... if it took less than 20 mins to install, we don't know if the bug got triggered or not |
| 09:25.55 | desktop-newbie | jelly, i get 20 minutes top with the kernel option ide=nodma (without it the laptop locks up in much less time) |
| 09:26.03 | desktop-newbie | 20 minutes tops |
| 09:26.14 | jelly | desktop-newbie: uname -r? |
| 09:26.40 | jelly | as in, "please paste the output of that command?" |
| 09:27.13 | nsadmin | probably would take him awhile to reboot to do that |
| 09:27.19 | jelly | yes. |
| 09:28.03 | desktop-newbie | Linux debian 2.6.26-2-686 |
| 09:28.12 | jelly | desktop-newbie: also, lspci -n |
| 09:28.19 | jelly | use a pastebin site for that |
| 09:28.21 | jelly | !paste |
| 09:28.22 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastebin.ca/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>. |
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| 09:28.58 | nsadmin | themill: it was suggested earlier to try other dists to see if the problem is a particular kernel or presence/absense of a particular driver |
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| 09:29.48 | themill | nsadmin: that's fine. It degenerated into an argument about which ubuntu releases were or were not supported -- and the particular desktop flavour of the livecd isn't particularly relevant to the driver in any case. |
| 09:30.06 | nsadmin | yeah, I dunno how it got stuck on *buntu |
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| 09:32.05 | tdn | How do I partition a disk via a script? E.g. without starting fdisk in interactive mode? |
| 09:32.06 | nsadmin | a live cd with the option to disable X would probably be a good thing |
| 09:32.24 | nsadmin | tdn: look into sfdisk I suppose |
| 09:32.40 | tdn | nsadmin, ok. Thanks. |
| 09:33.03 | nsadmin | you would create a dump that sfdisk can read, then feed it that dump |
| 09:33.43 | tdn | nsadmin, a dump? |
| 09:34.00 | tdn | nsadmin, I see that man page for sfdisk mentions parted... Could that be used instead? |
| 09:34.08 | nsadmin | try getting sfdisk to create a dump so you can see it |
| 09:34.19 | nsadmin | dunno |
| 09:34.20 | jelly | tdn: what's wrong with sfdisk? |
| 09:34.24 | tdn | nsadmin, ok. Thanks. |
| 09:34.29 | nsadmin | you haven't said much about what you want to do |
| 09:34.49 | tdn | jelly, I cannot see in the docs how to partition a disk with fdisk without going into interactive mode. |
| 09:35.09 | nsadmin | sfdisk not fdisk |
| 09:35.15 | tdn | nsadmin, I am trying to make an initrd with an init script that boots up and does the following: boots up; partitions the harddisk to one big partition; mkfs a root fs; mounts this fs; rsyncs some basic files to this partition; installs boot loader; reboots. I have created a proof of concept initrd with an init script that just echoes hello world and the exits. |
| 09:35.48 | nsadmin | oh I saw that before |
| 09:36.05 | nsadmin | ok, so are the drives on all machines identical? |
| 09:36.14 | tdn | jelly, oh, I read your msg as "fdisk". The man page says: sfdisk doesn't understand GUID Partition Table (GPT) and it is not designed for large partitions. In particular case use more advanced GNU parted(8) |
| 09:36.43 | tdn | nsadmin, all drives are not identical, but the partition layout is somewhat identical: I want to create one big partition. |
| 09:37.08 | nsadmin | so the size of that partition will depend on the size of the drive? |
| 09:37.09 | tdn | nsadmin, I can live with, that I just create a first primary partition on, say, 10GB and let the rest be free space. |
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| 09:37.25 | tdn | nsadmin, yes, but I can live with a fixed size on the beginning of the drive. |
| 09:37.39 | nsadmin | ok |
| 09:38.15 | nsadmin | if it's a fixed size, you could use sfdisk with a dump |
| 09:38.26 | tdn | nsadmin, ok. |
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| 09:38.29 | kripz | How can i fork stuff to the background with shell? |
| 09:38.31 | nsadmin | not sure what that GPT is tho |
| 09:38.55 | nsadmin | kripz: ctrl-z then bg |
| 09:38.56 | wade | kpriz, just add & to the end of the command |
| 09:39.18 | nsadmin | (if it's already running) |
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| 09:40.00 | wade | ahh fresh debian install |
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| 09:41.13 | wade | squeeze, modified kernel, gcc, xorg, jwm and rox-filer |
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| 09:41.54 | desktop-newbie | jelly, nsadmin: output of lspci -n can be found on http://pastebin.com/pmFu5qz7. i have to go right now, i have an appointment |
| 09:42.00 | tdn | nsadmin, ok, so I will just configure my partitions on one disk, then dump using sfdisk -d > somefile; and then I can automatically create partitions with sfdisk from that dump, correct? |
| 09:42.18 | wade | and fancontrol, or else they go mental' |
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| 09:42.24 | nsadmin | tdn: aiui, yes |
| 09:42.54 | desktop-newbie | thanks very much for your help. please look into the issue. i will try and be back later on today. |
| 09:43.07 | desktop-newbie | hope to find a solution. thanks again. bye |
| 09:43.33 | tdn | nsadmin, ok. Thanks a lot for your help. |
| 09:44.02 | nsadmin | welcome; hope it works out |
| 09:44.24 | nsadmin | , pciid 8086:7111 |
| 09:44.27 | judd | [8086:7111] is '82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 IDE' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel module 'piix' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:7111 |
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| 09:45.22 | mcgreg | hi |
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| 09:46.30 | mcgreg | http://pastebin.org/204458 cozuld someone have a look at thisd , it is a dmesg report | grep ata1 , I got some annoying error in dmesg and I dont know what it really means |
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| 09:47.40 | Guthur | mcgreg: Is your device not working? |
| 09:47.53 | liable | looks like it gets sorted in the end |
| 09:47.55 | mcgreg | it is actually |
| 09:48.10 | liable | mcgreg: i think thats safe to ignore |
| 09:48.18 | liable | or try googling the output |
| 09:48.54 | liable | is that an esata drive or something? |
| 09:48.58 | mcgreg | it works just normal. somethimes this seems to happen at boot time and it fails to boot. it doesnt seem to find some boot sector of sda5 or soemething like that. |
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| 09:49.20 | nsadmin | that would be sata2 since it's 300mb/sec |
| 09:49.32 | mcgreg | oh and I believe it happens *only* when I plug in my external usb hdd ... which is even more strange |
| 09:49.37 | Guthur | On a guess it just seems like it takes longer than expected to initialize |
| 09:49.58 | liable | what kernel? can you try a newer one? |
| 09:50.14 | mcgreg | well, it is 2.6.34-rc5 or 6 ;) |
| 09:50.23 | liable | ok |
| 09:50.25 | nsadmin | uname -r? |
| 09:50.40 | mcgreg | 2.6.34-rc5 |
| 09:51.42 | mcgreg | well, the most annoying part for me is: [ 5265.038177] ata1.00: irq_stat 0x08000000, interface fatal error the fatal error part |
| 09:51.55 | mcgreg | I hope it's not some hardware error, either hdd or mainboard |
| 09:52.07 | nsadmin | what if you connect it after boot? |
| 09:52.30 | nsadmin | also which debian kernels have you tried? |
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| 09:54.46 | mcgreg | I haven't. I used self compiled kernel from kernel.org to be uptodate because of radeon drivers. using make-kpkg. anyway, it works normally so far. it might be some new kernel probklem since it never happened with older kernel (debian ones) |
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| 09:55.36 | nsadmin | so, same hardware, you couldn't get the newest radeon but the drives worked? |
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| 09:57.34 | mcgreg | my hdd is actually working "normally". even though I got this error right now, I dont see anything special or wrong happened. just sometimes at boot it doesnt seem to find some magic block from my /dev/sda5 (this is not root) |
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| 09:58.35 | nsadmin | so you might have run an fsck on sda5 |
| 09:58.55 | mcgreg | hmm no. I am doing a reset then, and then it just works fine again |
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| 10:00.10 | mcgreg | I know it probably sounds quite strange to you |
| 10:01.50 | nsadmin | I wonder if it needs more time to be discovered and initialized by the kernel |
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| 10:03.00 | mcgreg | well, I believe it is somehow associated with my external usb hdd. I belioeve that happens only when it is connected (the boot up problem with sda5 here) and now this error |
| 10:03.24 | mcgreg | but that could be also totally accidently |
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| 10:06.44 | nsadmin | ok, I'm forgetting which drive is which... |
| 10:06.50 | nsadmin | sda is what? |
| 10:07.10 | mcgreg | sda is my internal sata driver |
| 10:07.17 | mcgreg | *drive |
| 10:07.31 | nsadmin | and your external usb is what name? |
| 10:07.43 | mcgreg | sdb |
| 10:08.12 | nsadmin | ok, so you're saying that you suspect that the presence of sdb causes a problem with sda |
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| 10:08.32 | mcgreg | yeah |
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| 10:12.17 | nsadmin | ok, looking at something you said before... it looks like something bad happens about an hour and a half after boot... is that right? (you said this is an annoying part) |
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| 10:13.21 | mcgreg | wait. the boot thingy happens randomly since some time now, a few weeks I think. that error during normal "runtime" happened the first time. |
| 10:13.42 | nsadmin | and never again? |
| 10:13.54 | nsadmin | what did it cause? |
| 10:14.28 | mcgreg | the error? nothing , at least I dont see anything. the machine still runs, I didnt see anything happend which seems to be different than usual |
| 10:14.42 | nsadmin | oh ok, just a message then |
| 10:15.19 | nsadmin | but that was before (maybe just before) the first time the boot failed? |
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| 10:15.49 | mcgreg | no. that error appeared npw the first time. the boot problem apperared a few agfo first time |
| 10:15.58 | mcgreg | *now |
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| 10:16.09 | mcgreg | *few weeks |
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| 10:16.21 | nsadmin | oh, ok... got it |
| 10:16.54 | nsadmin | did that error coincide with somethign you did (like connect somethign)? |
| 10:17.37 | mcgreg | nope, at leats not that I know of. except, half an hour before I got that error, I connected my externe usb hdd :) |
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| 10:18.00 | mcgreg | again, could be coincidens |
| 10:18.01 | K1ng\ | hi |
| 10:18.14 | K1ng\ | how do i install java. only for text only |
| 10:18.52 | kri5 | Hi there |
| 10:19.00 | K1ng\ | hi |
| 10:19.10 | kri5 | I have a few problem making work openafs with heimdal kerberos |
| 10:19.35 | kri5 | actually i can get kerberos ticket and with aklog get an openafs token |
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| 10:19.49 | kri5 | but when trying to access /afs, i got permission denied error |
| 10:19.54 | kri5 | any ideas? |
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| 10:20.02 | K1ng\ | how do i install java. only for text only? |
| 10:20.07 | nsadmin | K1ng\: you want to build java programs? |
| 10:20.12 | juan__ | Hello folks, i have tried to set the wifi, but a was was not successful. My dist is debian lenny kernel :2.6.26-2-686 , ahteros card AR242X |
| 10:20.14 | K1ng\ | yes |
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| 10:20.34 | nsadmin | , versions sun-java6-sdk |
| 10:20.36 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'sun-java6-sdk' was found. |
| 10:20.39 | K1ng\ | nsadmin, yes |
| 10:20.44 | nsadmin | , versions sun-java6-jdk |
| 10:20.45 | judd | sun-java6-jdk -- etch-backports/non-free: 6-07-3~bpo40+1; lenny/non-free: 6-12-1; squeeze/non-free: 6.20-dlj-1; sid/non-free: 6.20-dlj-3 |
| 10:20.47 | mcgreg | nsadmin: well, unfortunately I have too few facts about that happening here. I will keep an eye on this and if it's get "worse" or something real bad happens I probably will come back with more reliable information :) for now, nothing really problematic happened |
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| 10:20.51 | aburch | kri5: Isn't /afs usually world-readable? |
| 10:20.58 | themill | K1ng\: /msg dpkg install java ; there are -jre-headless packages around that will give you much of what you want, coupled with the -jdk package nsadmin just highlighted. |
| 10:21.25 | K1ng\ | ok thank you |
| 10:21.42 | juan__ | Someone can help me? My logs are in http://pastebin.com/qvKHU7yG. |
| 10:21.56 | nsadmin | themill: does he need a jre if he installs a jdk? |
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| 10:22.02 | kri5 | aburch: what do you mean by that? |
| 10:22.05 | K1ng\ | there is no sdk? |
| 10:22.35 | themill | K1ng\: java sdk == jdk. |
| 10:22.51 | kri5 | aburch: hum, it should be, but during the installation process, when i want to change the ACLs to make it readable by system:anyuser, i got also a permission denied |
| 10:23.03 | mcgreg | thank you for trying to help me :) bye |
| 10:23.31 | K1ng\ | ok.... i found a package named default-jre-headless |
| 10:23.35 | K1ng\ | is it good? |
| 10:23.42 | themill | nsadmin: the jdk needs a jre. Actually, there's no way of getting the jdk without jre itself (jre-headless won't cut it) |
| 10:23.42 | nsadmin | no compiler in a jre |
| 10:24.07 | nsadmin | so the packages were split up? |
| 10:24.21 | themill | ,info java-gcj-compat-dev |
| 10:24.23 | judd | java-gcj-compat-dev (devel, optional): Java runtime environment with GCJ. Version: 1.0.78-2; Size: 15.7k; Installed: 172k |
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| 10:24.46 | themill | K1ng\: ^^ if your java demands are modest you can try that, but you probably want either sun-java6-* or openjdk-6-* packages |
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| 10:25.02 | aburch | kri5: Hmm, strange. I admit not knowing too much about the details of AFS though (just enough to keep our small cell running). You might want to ask on the openafs mailing list. |
| 10:25.10 | K1ng\ | ok |
| 10:25.30 | kri5 | aburch: maybe that is what i should do |
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| 10:25.59 | kri5 | aburch: are you using kerberos heimdal too with you afs? |
| 10:26.25 | aburch | kri5: No, MIT Kerberos. |
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| 10:26.47 | kri5 | aburch: ok |
| 10:26.55 | nsadmin | isnt' heimdal an mit port? |
| 10:26.57 | juan__ | I think sometimes in go back to M$, nothing Linux works, all is hard. |
| 10:27.19 | kri5 | it should be api compatible, but it seems that the tools around are a little bit different |
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| 10:27.46 | kamil | i have problem with apache could someone help. Problem is i start Apache i have listen on 80 but when i do nmap loalhost port 80 dosen't show as open... could someone know why? |
| 10:27.49 | kri5 | i have a ldap and i use kerberos ldap backend |
| 10:27.55 | kri5 | with heimdal |
| 10:28.01 | nsadmin | juan__, take a look at your lspci -nn |
| 10:28.06 | kri5 | don't know if it is also possible with MIT |
| 10:28.11 | nsadmin | pick out the line that has your card |
| 10:28.47 | aburch | kri5: MIT Kerberos has a LDAP backend. We just keep the database seperate though. |
| 10:29.38 | kri5 | aburch: so you're not using it? |
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| 10:31.18 | juan__ | I did , and it is my result: http://pastebin.com/Lt3tkiFe , thanks. |
| 10:32.05 | themill | ,pciid 168c:001c |
| 10:32.07 | judd | [168c:001c] is 'AR5001 Wireless Network Adapter' from 'Atheros Communications Inc.' with kernel module 'ath5k' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=168c:001c http://wiki.debian.org/ath5k and the out-of-tree 'ath_pci' module. |
| 10:32.08 | nsadmin | ok, pastebin output of lsmod |
| 10:32.23 | nsadmin | thanks themill |
| 10:32.49 | nsadmin | or, just check to see if ath5k is in lsmod |
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| 10:33.35 | nsadmin | what is the conventional way to get modules that weren't already taken care of by the installer to load at boot? |
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| 10:34.21 | pegasus-rider | Prompt please what may cause early (initrd-stage) boot to hang waiting for the / whilst initrd does contain the needed kernel modules (controller driver, root FS module,... )? |
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| 10:35.22 | nsadmin | pegasus-rider: are those modules being loaded by the initrd |
| 10:35.40 | luuks | hmm |
| 10:35.55 | pegasus-rider | Also I don't know if initrd not being generated with a Debian-packaged kernel which need it is a bug and I need to report it or it's a feature enabling one to fine-tune the RAM disk |
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| 10:36.34 | nsadmin | pegasus-rider: you installed a kernel and it didn't produce an initrd? |
| 10:36.42 | aburch | kri5: No, it works fine without it. There aren't that many users either :) |
| 10:36.57 | pegasus-rider | Yeah, a Xen one for x86_64 |
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| 10:37.26 | nsadmin | are you running that kernel now? |
| 10:37.31 | pegasus-rider | Well, I may check if kernel says something about them. Anyway, the initrd is generated in a standard way (update-... -c -k ...) so I doubt there should be any problems |
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| 10:37.46 | pegasus-rider | No, I'm running a native (i. e. non-Xen) one |
| 10:37.55 | nsadmin | oh ok |
| 10:38.16 | nsadmin | what is the .deb filename of the xen kernel? |
| 10:38.19 | kri5 | aburch: do you use ldap also? |
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| 10:39.00 | juan__ | I have tested lsmod with grep and i get the following results: http://pastebin.com/11qpfGKr |
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| 10:39.32 | pegasus-rider | nsadmin: linux-image-2.6.26-2-xen-amd64 |
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| 10:40.18 | aburch | kri5: Yes, for NSS (passwd) and host data to generate a zone for DNS. |
| 10:40.32 | nsadmin | I think I was running that exact kernel |
| 10:40.45 | nsadmin | juan__: run this: |
| 10:40.54 | nsadmin | modprobe ath5k |
| 10:41.13 | nsadmin | then look at the output of ifconfig wlan0 |
| 10:41.20 | kri5 | aburch: so you got user information in ldap, but authentification stays in kerberos database |
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| 10:42.21 | nsadmin | (juan__ while this may work, ot |
| 10:42.23 | nsadmin | er |
| 10:42.24 | nsadmin | ot |
| 10:42.42 | nsadmin | it's not arranged to load at boot) |
| 10:43.13 | aburch | kri5: Yes, there are some additional things only in Kerberos as well, such as principals for the IMAP or Apache server. |
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| 10:44.58 | juan__ | My system does not load the module ath5k , i don't understand , http://pastebin.com/yy05kaBs |
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| 10:45.59 | wols_ | juan__: do you have madwifi installed? |
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| 10:46.50 | wols_ | jusding from your lsmod, you do |
| 10:46.51 | kri5 | aburch: ok |
| 10:46.51 | aburch | juan__: You misspelled the module name in "lsmod | grep aht5k" |
| 10:47.47 | juan__ | Yes i have the madwifi: http://pastebin.com/6tYwiZH1, ah i make a mistake, i am sorry for that. |
| 10:48.14 | wols_ | either you use madwifi or ath5k, not both |
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| 10:48.49 | juan__ | Now i have seen, i really have the ath5k module. |
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| 10:49.59 | nsadmin | yeah, you have it... it doesn't look like the device is called wlan0 |
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| 10:52.26 | nsadmin | juan__, so, is it working? |
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| 10:53.33 | Cope | what's involved in setting up a repository for custom packages? not quite sure what term to google... could someone recommend any documentation? |
| 10:53.48 | nsadmin | wols_: did he already have madwifi? what was indicating he did? |
| 10:53.49 | g00se | Is there a good way to get grub2 in lenny without installing it (i don't want it to oust grub)? |
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| 10:54.29 | pegasus-rider | The funny thing is: it may be more 'working' than GRUB-legacy |
| 10:54.32 | nsadmin | g00se: what are you trying to accomplish |
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| 10:54.55 | nsadmin | Cope: tjere' |
| 10:55.07 | pegasus-rider | At least it was exactly so in my case where GRUB-legacy refused to work and GRUB2 worked just fine |
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| 10:55.07 | themill | dpkg: tell Cope about own repo |
| 10:55.18 | nsadmin | Cope: there's dpkg-scanpackages and dpkg-scansources |
| 10:55.24 | g00se | nsadmin: I'm trying to use grub2 to make boot discs without installing it |
| 10:55.38 | Cope | nsadmin: great - I'll start there |
| 10:55.55 | nsadmin | so you want to install the package without actually installing grub2 to your hd |
| 10:56.06 | alys | I hope this is not a 'stupid' question: I hope to buy a new 64 bit Dell computer - good spec but with an ATI Radeon graphics card. I have read so many negative reports on the Net - should I avoid it? |
| 10:56.12 | g00se | nsadmin: Exactly. Previously i did apt-get source and compiled it |
| 10:56.15 | nsadmin | Cope, also check your privmsgs |
| 10:56.16 | themill | Cope: personally, I like reprepro for this, but what dpkg just said also works quite nicely. |
| 10:56.50 | pegasus-rider | AFIR GRUB2 won't replace GRUB-legacy automatically, you should do it by hand, so you are safe |
| 10:57.01 | Cope | cool thanks! i asked dpkg, but wasn't sure what keyword to use! |
| 10:57.42 | g00se | nsadmin: But: a. i use aptitude, so would like to continue. b. i don't know how to do it with or without apt and say 'Please get the sid source' |
| 10:57.50 | wols_ | nsadmin: hist ifconfig output and lsmod output. ath5k gives you (IIRC) wlan0 while madwifi gives your ath0. and madwifi uses many modules including a _hal one and of course ath_pci. which ath5k is on that and nothing else |
| 10:58.17 | aburch | nsadmin: But IIRC dpkg-scan* won't generate a (signed) Release file and that would generate annoying warnings from APT. I think using reprepro is easier than doing that by hand. |
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| 10:58.42 | wols_ | g00se: dpkg -x extract it somewhere you want (not / ) |
| 10:58.45 | nsadmin | wols_: which one of those lets you do a WAP? |
| 10:58.54 | wols_ | nsadmin: both |
| 10:59.16 | nsadmin | do you have to flash the firmware to do ap? |
| 10:59.28 | wols_ | nsadmin: I'm not totally sure about madwifi tho. no there is no firmware to flash |
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| 10:59.48 | nsadmin | is ath9k less well supported? |
| 10:59.49 | wols_ | the only downside of ath5k is injection and there is a patch for that |
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| 11:00.05 | nsadmin | dunno what injection is |
| 11:00.23 | g00se | wols_: Is it possible to ask aptitude to get the sid source if i'm using lenny? |
| 11:00.33 | wols_ | aircrack-ng needs injection to do penetration testing. among other things |
| 11:00.45 | wols_ | g00se: yes. /msg dpkg ssb |
| 11:01.13 | wols_ | g00se: part of it tells you how. but that is SOURCE: you do NOT want to put a deb http:/... entry for sid into your sources.list. DO NOT EVER |
| 11:01.13 | themill | g00se: downloading source packages has nothing to do with binary package handling so you can just use apt-get source or dget to download the source |
| 11:01.21 | nsadmin | so injection is needed by some things, ath5k doesn't have it but there is a patch to add it? |
| 11:01.50 | wols_ | nsadmin: it has it but it'S slow compared to madwifif. and ther eis a patch for it on the aircrack-ng site to remedy this |
| 11:02.29 | nsadmin | ok, understood, thanks... ath9k, is that for N wireless? |
| 11:02.37 | wols_ | no. ath9k is |
| 11:02.55 | nsadmin | and ath9k too :) |
| 11:03.10 | wols_ | ath5k supports b/g chips |
| 11:03.17 | nsadmin | got it |
| 11:03.26 | g00se | wols_: >>DO NOT EVER<< Even deb-src? |
| 11:03.46 | wols_ | tho I think I saw some ath9k chips with b/g only (some asus eee pcs I think) |
| 11:03.50 | nsadmin | well deb-src is how you backport |
| 11:03.54 | wols_ | g00se: read what I wrote |
| 11:04.07 | MrTorque | vim /usr/share/john/all.chr |
| 11:04.54 | nsadmin | wols_: he meant never add a sid line that's just deb |
| 11:05.15 | nsadmin | unless you're looking to go to sid... but do you want the pain? |
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| 11:05.46 | g00se | Thanks guys |
| 11:06.06 | tdn | nsadmin, I wanted to make a dump of the partitions with sfdisk -d. so I did the following: 1: ran cfdisk to partition the disk with a 2GB partition in the beginning and everything else empty. 2: I quickly installed Ubuntu 8.something from an old livecd, I had laying around, because it would have sfdisk installed and some software I could use to get the sfdisk dump off the computer via network.... |
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| 11:07.23 | tdn | nsadmin, but when I made the sfdisk dump, I noticed that the disk device is now called /dev/sda, but when I boot my initrd init script, the device is called /dev/hda. I did not think that would matter much, becuase I did not think that the device name would appear in the dump. But appearently it does... So does this mean, that the dump is unusable on /dev/hda? |
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| 11:08.09 | nsadmin | you'll have to alter it... it will partition sda if present and you might -not- want to do that :) |
| 11:08.18 | distress | sfdisk [options] device |
| 11:08.20 | tdn | nsadmin, ok. |
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| 11:08.41 | nsadmin | that's why I was saying your script should generate a dump |
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| 11:09.11 | tdn | nsadmin, which script? The init script? |
| 11:09.13 | nsadmin | as long as it's dead on the same format, you shoudl be ok |
| 11:09.23 | distress | and the same device |
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| 11:09.46 | nsadmin | tdn: the script that (among other things) partitions the drive |
| 11:10.17 | tdn | nsadmin, but the script that partitions the drive ccannot make the dump, because it is supposed to be run on a blank disk. So there is nothing to dump... |
| 11:11.05 | nsadmin | tdn: so you look over the output of sfdisk -d from a working dump |
| 11:11.15 | nsadmin | and you see if you can -echo- that from a script |
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| 11:12.01 | nsadmin | or |
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| 11:12.25 | nsadmin | take the dump, and do some sort of replace-string on it, like sed can do that |
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| 11:13.03 | tdn | nsadmin, right now I am trying to get the dump off the computer with the ubuntu installer via the network. Shouldnt I be able to netcat it with running "nc -l 8080" on the server and then running "cat dump | nc server 8080" on the client? It says connection refused.... And the port is allowed in the firewall.... |
| 11:13.49 | nsadmin | I don't know nc, never used it before (except once to pastebin something) |
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| 11:14.20 | tdn | nsadmin, ok. |
| 11:14.45 | tdn | Hmm... Other suggestions as to how I can get the dump off the computer? I have a busybox shell... |
| 11:15.24 | nsadmin | I guess you could cat it and type it in on the other box... |
| 11:15.33 | nsadmin | I guess you'd only have to do that once |
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| 11:15.54 | nsadmin | that's suboptimal tho of course |
| 11:16.08 | nsadmin | last chance saloon time |
| 11:16.42 | frostschutz | if it's a full busybox, it can do basic network |
| 11:17.06 | frostschutz | but I don't understand what you're doing ... ;) |
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| 11:17.31 | tdn | frostschutz, trying to get a file from a computer that is in busybox to my other computer. |
| 11:17.52 | tdn | frostschutz, I run "nc -l 8080" on the server and then run "cat dump | nc server 8080" on the client |
| 11:17.59 | tdn | frostschutz, but I get connection refused. |
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| 11:19.18 | themill | frostschutz: nc -l -p 8080 |
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| 11:19.51 | jelly | well it depends on the nc variant |
| 11:19.52 | Gunni | hey, can someone help me debug some weird ****, i send a ping, f.ex to google, i get one normal response, then "ping: sendmsg: Operation not permitted" |
| 11:20.06 | tdn | frostschutz, nice. Thanks! |
| 11:20.30 | frostschutz | <--- didnt do anything |
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| 11:20.39 | tdn | themill, thanks! |
| 11:20.46 | themill | jelly: true. But given the "connection refused" output :) |
| 11:20.49 | themill | tdn: np |
| 11:20.51 | jelly | Gunni: do you have iptables rules blocking ICMP? |
| 11:20.53 | tdn | frostschutz, oh. Didn't see it was themill :) |
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| 11:20.57 | Gunni | no |
| 11:21.05 | Gunni | all set to accept both ways |
| 11:21.15 | jelly | Gunni: are you not root and ping lost its setuid bit? |
| 11:21.23 | Gunni | im root |
| 11:21.45 | jelly | oh... you get one normal responce |
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| 11:21.50 | Gunni | yes |
| 11:21.51 | Gunni | ONE! |
| 11:22.04 | Gunni | and if i try again on same host, it fails |
| 11:22.05 | jelly | and that's not enougt for you?!? |
| 11:22.07 | pegasus-rider | BTW, was there ever Debian/kPlan9 :-) |
| 11:22.09 | Gunni | lol |
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| 11:22.26 | wols_ | Gunni: do you have a router? if yes, ping it |
| 11:22.35 | jelly | Gunni: uname -r? |
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| 11:22.48 | Gunni | 2.6.28.7 |
| 11:22.49 | cantido | pegasus-rider: kFreebsd is the only offical port that works enough to be useful |
| 11:23.05 | themill | Gunni: http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20000326 |
| 11:23.32 | Gunni | lol |
| 11:23.34 | themill | (somehow relevant) |
| 11:23.39 | jelly | Gunni: is that kernel patched with weird security-relevant patches? |
| 11:23.46 | Gunni | none i know of |
| 11:23.48 | pegasus-rider | There are Debian GNU/Linux, GNU Hurd, GNU/k{Free,Net}BSD, even GNU/k{Open}Solaris (Nexenta), so I wonder if there's something in the post-UNIX field |
| 11:23.57 | Gunni | i was just called in to debug this problem on this server ;D |
| 11:24.15 | pegasus-rider | And I'm ready for experimentation if there is :-) |
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| 11:24.45 | wols_ | Gunni: shouldn't you let a professional do that? e.g. someone who actually has the skills the earn his money? |
| 11:24.57 | Gunni | like me? |
| 11:25.07 | Gunni | ;D nah not that professional server ;D |
| 11:25.30 | cantido | pegasus-rider: mmm I'm not sure how far you would get porting lost of unix stuff to something else.. it'd end up looking like cygwin or something |
| 11:25.38 | cantido | s/lost/lots/ |
| 11:25.39 | Gunni | also, professionals could just as well get hanged on that problem |
| 11:25.49 | wols_ | scribbles "can go to freenode to ask #debian" in his resume's professional skillest |
| 11:26.13 | Gunni | lol |
| 11:26.14 | wols_ | Gunni: this probably isn't even a debian server, is it? |
| 11:26.18 | Gunni | it is |
| 11:26.32 | cantido | Gunni: have you used tcpdump to track what packets are actually going in and out? |
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| 11:27.05 | Gunni | oh great |
| 11:27.06 | wols_ | Gunni: install a debian kernel then |
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| 11:27.10 | pegasus-rider | If Debian community makes Hurd usable enough to e. g. play Wesnoth despite all the architectural difficulties of Hurd, I guess Debian GNU/kPlan9 would bring post-UNIX en masse, solving all these driver problems, you know :-) |
| 11:27.12 | Gunni | Temporary failure resolving 'ftp.de.debian.org' |
| 11:27.18 | Gunni | *facepalm* |
| 11:28.04 | cantido | wonders if anyone made that microkernel stuff actually work.. |
| 11:28.06 | Gunni | everything seems to be failing on that server |
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| 11:28.31 | distress | does /etc/resov.conf contain nameserver entries ? |
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| 11:28.36 | Gunni | yes |
| 11:28.37 | Gunni | two |
| 11:28.40 | zumbi | Gunni: 64 bytes from ftp.de.debian.org (141.76.2.4): icmp_seq=1 ttl=49 time=57.3 ms |
| 11:28.41 | Gunni | google :P |
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| 11:29.03 | Gunni | i suspected it was up, this server is just fail |
| 11:29.10 | nsadmin | you're using google's name servers? :) |
| 11:29.14 | pegasus-rider | cantido: AST did :-) |
| 11:29.16 | Gunni | yes |
| 11:29.23 | Gunni | btw now ping is weird |
| 11:29.28 | nsadmin | wwwhy? |
| 11:29.29 | pegasus-rider | And if you are asking about Hurd, Debian community of course |
| 11:29.31 | Gunni | ill make a pastebin in a bit |
| 11:29.42 | artagnon | My CUPS doesn't have an SMB backend. Which package am I missing? |
| 11:29.54 | cantido | pegasus-rider: you mean minix? |
| 11:29.55 | nsadmin | what kind of server is this? |
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| 11:30.02 | wols_ | artagnon: samba? |
| 11:30.03 | Gunni | http://codepad.org/FV5BEV4F |
| 11:30.11 | Gunni | kinda weird ping, ain't it |
| 11:30.36 | artagnon | wols_: Nope, I have samba installed. |
| 11:30.42 | zumbi | Gunni: route -n |
| 11:30.58 | artagnon | wols_: I'm supposed to have an smbspool binary, no? |
| 11:31.02 | cantido | Gunni: you you have any iptables rules? |
| 11:31.03 | distress | maybe you have some exotic icmp firewall rules |
| 11:31.12 | Gunni | no firewall rules |
| 11:31.30 | nsadmin | Gunni: so, ping seems to be resolving the IP every time |
| 11:31.49 | Gunni | http://codepad.org/44hBVYew |
| 11:31.50 | cantido | nsadmin: not all the time.. line 16/17 |
| 11:32.16 | wols_ | !tell artagnon about search |
| 11:32.23 | zumbi | Gunni: you need to fix your routes |
| 11:32.26 | distress | so your going through a gateway for ping |
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| 11:32.28 | wols_ | artagnon: why do you want to use smb to share your printer btw? |
| 11:32.31 | Gunni | what's wrong with them? |
| 11:32.37 | pegasus-rider | cantido: With AST, yes |
| 11:32.45 | artagnon | wols_: I already searched thoroughly. That's why I'm here. |
| 11:32.47 | nsadmin | cantido, I mean it looks like it makes a dns request every ping reply |
| 11:32.54 | Gunni | lol |
| 11:32.55 | artagnon | wols_: I don't. I want to print on a printer over SMB. |
| 11:33.02 | cantido | Would you get operation not permitted if it's a bad route? not no route to host? |
| 11:33.04 | distress | meaning your gateway may have some exotic iptables rules |
| 11:33.13 | wols_ | artagnon: you did not search thoroughly. please read the factoid again |
| 11:33.16 | Gunni | exotic, great |
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| 11:33.47 | Gunni | pinging gateway is just like the mbl.is site |
| 11:33.48 | zumbi | Gunni: why do you have two IP addreces in one ethernet interface? |
| 11:33.49 | zumbi | 89.149.223.176 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.255 UH 0 0 0 eth0 |
| 11:33.49 | zumbi | 78.159.99.92 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.255 UH 0 0 0 eth0 |
| 11:33.55 | distress | yeah i maybe some paranoid sysadmin has set some iptables rules to prevent ping flooding or so |
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| 11:34.20 | artagnon | wols_: I searched for both /bin/smbspool and /usr/bin/smbspool |
| 11:34.21 | Gunni | well i have noticed that the host before this server blocks all pings, but this one doesn't |
| 11:34.24 | distress | you dont have acces to the gateway box i suppose |
| 11:34.24 | cantido | well, it seems that it stops dns lookups every so often too ;) |
| 11:34.25 | artagnon | wols_: can't find either |
| 11:34.26 | wols_ | artagnon: again: why do you want samba for printer sharing? |
| 11:34.44 | wols_ | artagnon: you are wrong. pdo finds the binary just fine |
| 11:34.45 | Gunni | i could possibly ask the admin of the gateway |
| 11:35.02 | distress | or you could accept that ping is working fine |
| 11:35.05 | artagnon | wols_: I probably got the binary wrong then. |
| 11:35.09 | cantido | Gunni: I don't think it's a gateway issue, your system is preventing those packets going out |
| 11:35.09 | distress | and google seems up |
| 11:35.16 | Gunni | i suspected |
| 11:35.26 | artagnon | wols_: because I want to print to a printer that's managed by a Windows host and requires authentication. I can't go over LPR |
| 11:35.34 | artagnon | and I'm attempting to print from the internet |
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| 11:35.40 | Gunni | system actually has 3 addresses |
| 11:35.41 | cantido | Gunni: if it was the gateway you would see no route to host, not operation not permitted |
| 11:35.44 | nsadmin | again, why are you using google's name servers? |
| 11:35.48 | Gunni | this is kind of messed up |
| 11:35.51 | Gunni | why not? |
| 11:36.07 | wols_ | artagnon: search on pdo for smbspoll. it tells you where to get it |
| 11:36.09 | nsadmin | are you using google as an ISP? |
| 11:36.10 | zumbi | Gunni: have a look to http://www.faqs.org/docs/linux_network/x-087-2-iface.netstat.html |
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| 11:36.28 | distress | cantido: or it cuold be some exotic iptables rule that blocks ping except the first (few) |
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| 11:36.40 | nsadmin | did they say "here, you can use these name servers"? |
| 11:36.49 | olspookishmagus | hello... I'm running squeeze/sid any tips on how to handle epub files? |
| 11:36.50 | zumbi | Gunni: you have a non standard network setup for your machine, so it might be easy your machine drops messages |
| 11:36.50 | cantido | distress: yeah, on his local system |
| 11:37.06 | distress | cantido: no cause he is pinging through a gateway |
| 11:37.33 | cantido | distress: if the other end was dropping the packets you wouldn't get that message, at least I don't think so |
| 11:37.48 | Gunni | nsadmin: no, i just thought i could use them cuz they're open for everyone |
| 11:37.53 | Gunni | and reliable |
| 11:37.59 | zumbi | Gunni: iirc if you want to have several adderesses for one eth interface you need to clone it |
| 11:38.00 | neo[2k] | err.. help. I've messed up dns settings in lenny |
| 11:38.04 | distress | thats why i suspect its some kind of flood protection that lets only the first packets trough |
| 11:38.04 | cantido | distress: ping: sendmsg: Operation not permitted |
| 11:38.06 | artagnon | wols_: Ah, my bad. Thanks :) |
| 11:38.10 | Gunni | there are virtual adapters |
| 11:38.16 | Gunni | two infact |
| 11:38.18 | cantido | distress: the packet doesn't even leave the local system |
| 11:38.19 | nsadmin | if not, at least a few things... one, you don't necessarily know the name servers you're using will actually get you results... if you're using the -authoritative- name servers, they may not do recursive lookup at all |
| 11:38.25 | zumbi | Gunni: oh! ok |
| 11:38.28 | Gunni | eth0, eth0:0 and eth0:1 |
| 11:38.34 | Cope | OK - I've built a repo and imported a package, but apt-get update is giving: E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/apt.staging.nsonline.org.uk_dists_lenny_contrib_binary-amd64_Packages |
| 11:38.46 | artagnon | wols_: It was in smbclient :D |
| 11:38.54 | distress | cantido: gotcha |
| 11:38.55 | Cope | E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened. |
| 11:39.42 | cantido | I'm guessing he's got some iptables rules loaded that he doesn't know about or something |
| 11:39.54 | Gunni | iptables -L all allow and empty |
| 11:40.03 | Cope | any idea what that could be? |
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| 11:41.49 | cantido | Gunni: can you ping 127.0.0.1? |
| 11:42.02 | Gunni | nop |
| 11:42.04 | distress | iptables -F; iptables -X; iptables -t nat -F; iptables -t mangle -F; iptables -t nat -X; iptables -t mangle -X |
| 11:42.17 | distress | run that to clean your firewall of any rules |
| 11:42.19 | Gunni | that's quite a command |
| 11:42.39 | distress | it flushes the tables |
| 11:42.39 | nsadmin | that;s quite a lot of commands :) |
| 11:42.48 | distress | it flushes all the tables |
| 11:43.29 | jelly | gives distress an iptables-restore < /dev/null |
| 11:43.42 | distress | who needs a firewall on debian anyway ;) |
| 11:43.43 | Gunni | k |
| 11:43.53 | Gunni | still same op not permitted |
| 11:44.07 | cantido | Gunni: is there anything in dmesg? |
| 11:44.08 | nsadmin | I do, otherwise I couldn't have a lan |
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| 11:44.42 | Gunni | ehm |
| 11:44.50 | Gunni | the line at the bottom is: ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): eth0: link is not ready |
| 11:45.16 | Gunni | oh nvm |
| 11:45.18 | extor | I formatted 800GB worth of pr0n, warez, cbtz, isos and VMs by mistake. Any suggestions as to how to recover? I tried diskinternals linux recovery and R-Linux but they couldn't find the old stuff :( |
| 11:45.19 | Gunni | ignore that |
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| 11:45.26 | Gunni | nf_conntrack: table full, dropping packet. |
| 11:45.29 | Gunni | LOADS of those |
| 11:45.39 | Gunni | also __ratelimit: 441 callbacks suppressed |
| 11:45.44 | cantido | thats the problem then |
| 11:45.47 | Gunni | different high numbers every time |
| 11:45.48 | distress | I think you need the atlk1 module. |
| 11:45.53 | jelly | extor: was the data worth more than $400 or so? |
| 11:45.55 | Gunni | which is? |
| 11:45.56 | distress | first hit on scroogle |
| 11:46.00 | nsadmin | extor: get new pron... or GO MEET WOMEN |
| 11:46.20 | cantido | Gunni: table full, dropping packet.. google up that line |
| 11:46.26 | distress | nsadmin: lol! |
| 11:46.27 | jelly | extor: if yes: contact a data recovery service/company |
| 11:46.55 | extor | data was worthless methinks |
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| 11:47.00 | jelly | extor: also: make backups of stuff that's important to you |
| 11:47.01 | frostschutz | extor: depends on what filesystem was on it and how you formatted it... |
| 11:47.01 | extor | Its a do-want rather than a do-need |
| 11:47.01 | Gunni | # cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/netfilter/ip_conntrack_count 16384 |
| 11:47.13 | extor | jelly, already have backups. Multiple backups. |
| 11:47.21 | cantido | Gunni: has this machine been running for a long time? |
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| 11:47.24 | jelly | extor: oh, if it's worthless, what are you asking this channel to spend time on it! :-> |
| 11:47.25 | extor | froosch, ext3 was on it and I formatted it with ext4 |
| 11:47.29 | Gunni | not really |
| 11:47.37 | extor | jelly, because I want that data back! |
| 11:47.37 | Gunni | just a very very busy website running on it |
| 11:47.38 | jelly | s/what/why/ |
| 11:47.51 | nsadmin | extor, then just restore from yuour backups |
| 11:47.59 | jelly | what nsadmin said. |
| 11:48.14 | Gunni | so, just increase the limit? |
| 11:48.27 | Gunni | cat: /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_conntrack_max: No such file or directory |
| 11:48.39 | frostschutz | extor: well ext does have backup superblocks but its questionable whether they survived getting formated with another ext... |
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| 11:49.33 | extor | frostschutz, are those backup superblocks randomly dispersed or are they usually put in the same places when you reformat? |
| 11:49.34 | cantido | Gunni: you could also shorten the time it tracks connections |
| 11:49.36 | Cope | themill: any idea what I'm doing wrong? I've imported a .deb using reprepro -b . includedeb lenny my.deb |
| 11:49.50 | Gunni | cantido: how? |
| 11:50.00 | jelly | Gunni: modprobe nf-conntrack-ipv4 |
| 11:50.04 | Cope | themill: but apt-get update gives parsing errors |
| 11:50.27 | jelly | Gunni: will load the functionality that gives you /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_conntrack_max |
| 11:50.29 | distress | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:50.30 | cantido | Gunni: http://www.faqs.org/docs/iptables/theconntrackentries.html -- i think |
| 11:50.44 | jelly | that thing. |
| 11:50.52 | neo[2k] | help, my DNS is screwed up. I dont know exactly what I did, but oddly I can only open google |
| 11:51.05 | Gunni | ~# cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/netfilter/ip_conntrack_max 16384 |
| 11:51.17 | cantido | neo[2k]: google is cached somewhere |
| 11:51.22 | nsadmin | neo[2k]: what name servers are you using? |
| 11:51.34 | Gunni | ~# cat /proc/net/ip_conntrack | wc -l 16375 |
| 11:51.38 | Gunni | all full |
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| 11:52.20 | nsadmin | Gunni: could that be why you're having net problems? |
| 11:52.39 | Gunni | probably, so increase limit or lower tracking time |
| 11:52.39 | Cope | http://pastie.org/948264 |
| 11:52.52 | neo[2k] | nsadmin: dont know exactly. I'm pretty new to linux. I get search results in google, thats strange |
| 11:53.11 | abrotman | what is apt.staging.nsonline.org.uk ? |
| 11:53.17 | nsadmin | but what happens when you click on a link that google gives you? |
| 11:53.38 | neo[2k] | it says address not found |
| 11:53.44 | abrotman | Cope: also, you do realize that http://apt.staging.nsonline.org.uk/ isn't found right ? |
| 11:53.48 | Gunni | which should i do? |
| 11:54.40 | nsadmin | apt.staging.nsonline.org.uk does not resolve, but staging.nsonline.org.uk does |
| 11:54.47 | cantido | Gunni: find out the reason you are tracking so many connections |
| 11:54.55 | cantido | Gunni: maybe it's a DDoS ;) |
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| 11:54.59 | Gunni | well, announce probably |
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| 11:55.01 | themill | abrotman: split-dns is quite feasible. The pastebin shows that it works for him |
| 11:55.11 | neo[2k] | nsadmin: should I put my ISPs nameservers to /etc/resolv.conf? |
| 11:55.23 | Gunni | neo[2k] yes |
| 11:55.29 | nsadmin | what nameservers are you using now? |
| 11:55.36 | Gunni | nameserver ip.add.res.s |
| 11:56.02 | neo[2k] | its just "nameserver 127.0.0.1" in there |
| 11:56.06 | themill | Cope: can you pastebin that Packages file? |
| 11:56.07 | Gunni | lol |
| 11:56.13 | nsadmin | oh, so you're running a name server |
| 11:56.20 | abrotman | themill: perhaps .. |
| 11:56.35 | neo[2k] | nsadmin: but I dont want to :D |
| 11:57.03 | nsadmin | do you use /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 11:57.10 | neo[2k] | yes |
| 11:57.28 | nsadmin | static IP? |
| 11:57.33 | neo[2k] | yep |
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| 11:58.58 | nsadmin | ok, since you're not using a dhcp client which could overwrite resolv.conf, you could edit that file... or you could install the package resolvconf which adds syntax to /etc/network/interfaces to allow you to specify name servers in that file |
| 11:58.58 | Gunni | cantido: so, which to do? |
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| 11:59.53 | cantido | Gunni: use netstat etc to find out what is keeping loads of connections open on the machine |
| 11:59.56 | Cope | themill: http://pastie.org/948271 |
| 12:00.17 | nsadmin | Gunni: determine your needs, and find out exactly why so many connections tracked. |
| 12:00.18 | Gunni | but but the netstat is miles long |
| 12:00.40 | Gunni | im cat'ing /proc/net/ip_conntrack right now, still scrolling past |
| 12:01.05 | nsadmin | by the way, the whole reason you're using connection tracking at all, is probably because the server is behind a NAT? |
| 12:01.19 | themill | Cope: I'm guessing you shouldn't have blank fields there. |
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| 12:01.31 | Gunni | is there a way to disable connection tracking then? |
| 12:01.48 | nsadmin | well you are behind a nat... yes? |
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| 12:01.55 | Gunni | no |
| 12:02.04 | nsadmin | no? hmm |
| 12:02.06 | Gunni | none i know of... |
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| 12:02.26 | Cope | themill: even if there are no depends, conflicts or replaces? |
| 12:02.30 | nsadmin | what machine has this long netstat? |
| 12:02.31 | Gunni | and if there is, it's routing everything to me |
| 12:02.35 | Gunni | mine |
| 12:02.38 | themill | Cope: especially when there are none. |
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| 12:02.59 | Cope | themill: right - so shoudl it explicitly say 'none'? |
| 12:03.06 | themill | no, leave the field out |
| 12:03.18 | nsadmin | I have no idea why you need connection tracking if you are not behind a NAT |
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| 12:03.31 | Gunni | so, how to disable then? |
| 12:03.35 | nsadmin | that's what connection tracking was made for |
| 12:03.39 | nsadmin | dunno. |
| 12:03.49 | K1ng\ | nsadmin, i was having problem installing openjdk-6 |
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| 12:04.36 | nsadmin | Gunni: the only thing I can think of is you have that weird networking setup |
| 12:04.51 | neo[2k] | nsadmin: the entries in /etc/resolv.conf keep changing back to 127.0.0.1 |
| 12:04.53 | themill | Cope: policy §5.1 says that «each field consists of the field name, followed by a colon and then the data/value associated with that field.» which I would take to mean that blank values are not permitted because there is no value specified. |
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| 12:05.22 | nsadmin | neo[2k]: look at your /etc/network/interfaces |
| 12:05.44 | distress | its the dns server preventing you from doing foolish things |
| 12:05.53 | nsadmin | K1ng\: what problem? |
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| 12:06.10 | nsadmin | the dns server is not supposed to do that :P |
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| 12:06.48 | distress | yes actually it does need to keep resolv.conf cleaned up to keep itself working |
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| 12:07.00 | neo[2k] | nsadmin: what am I supposed to see there? |
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| 12:07.17 | distress | kill the dns server and anything related or make it work |
| 12:07.20 | nsadmin | Do you see any lines like dns-nameserver |
| 12:07.26 | distress | or resolver |
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| 12:07.40 | K1ng\ | http://pastebin.com/7cvnMcmv |
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| 12:07.55 | neo[2k] | no, I dont |
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| 12:09.46 | nsadmin | a name server that depends on that line to work is somewhat broken, and depends on it unnecessarily. |
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| 12:10.54 | nsadmin | which dns server in debian would do that? |
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| 12:11.00 | distress | Could not reserve enough space for object heap <-- |
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| 12:11.40 | abrotman | K1ng\: how much RAM does the system have ? |
| 12:12.00 | K1ng\ | 1 gb |
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| 12:12.47 | abrotman | K1ng\: and your HDD is not full ? |
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| 12:13.22 | K1ng\ | abrotman, only 2 gb in use |
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| 12:15.38 | neo[2k] | nsadmin: I have dhcp3-client installed, should I uninstall that since I dont use dhcp? |
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| 12:16.40 | nsadmin | neo[2k], and your /etc/network/interfaces says iface (somethign) inet static? |
| 12:16.55 | neo[2k] | yes |
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| 12:17.33 | nsadmin | it won't do anything unless it's invoked |
| 12:17.56 | nsadmin | I don't think it's the problem, altho it's your choice to remove it |
| 12:18.03 | neo[2k] | whats overwriting resolv.conf then? |
| 12:18.25 | nsadmin | if you ls -l /etc/resolv.conf |
| 12:18.33 | nsadmin | does it turn out to be a link? |
| 12:19.11 | themill | !dbugs 517084 |
| 12:19.17 | dpkg | #517084:N[openjdk-6-jre-headless] java: frees an invalid pointer when system is low on virtual memory (); Wed, 25 Feb 2009 14:18:01 UTC [] |
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| 12:19.27 | themill | K1ng\: ^^ I think of relevance |
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| 12:19.49 | neo[2k] | it directs to /etc/resolvconf/run/resolv.conf |
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| 12:20.06 | K1ng\ | ???? |
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| 12:20.19 | themill | !dbugs 499669 |
| 12:20.24 | dpkg | DONE:#499669:G[openjdk-6-jre-headless] fails to install with *** glibc detected *** /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-openjdk/bin/java: free(): invalid pointer: 0xb75e4264 *** (); Sun, 21 Sep 2008 08:00:02 UTC [] |
| 12:20.25 | themill | also that one |
| 12:20.33 | nsadmin | oh, so you already have resolvconf installe |
| 12:20.46 | nsadmin | pastebin your /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 12:21.23 | neo[2k] | k, se |
| 12:21.24 | neo[2k] | c |
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| 12:21.39 | tdn | Can I not have a 'read' in the init shellscript at boot up? |
| 12:21.43 | nsadmin | I believe you, but I gotta see this |
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| 12:22.05 | nsadmin | read is a shell builting |
| 12:22.06 | alieno | hi folks |
| 12:22.07 | nsadmin | read is a shell builtin |
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| 12:23.48 | neo[2k] | nsadmin: http://pastebin.org/204628 |
| 12:23.51 | tdn | nsadmin, then can I make a "press any key to continue" in another way? |
| 12:24.24 | nsadmin | tdn: that is, I dunno why you can't... what does it say? |
| 12:24.55 | tdn | nsadmin, it says: /init: read: line 204: arg count |
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| 12:25.01 | tdn | The line is just 'read'. |
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| 12:25.03 | tdn | Nothing more. |
| 12:25.54 | nsadmin | tdn: hmm. I'm guessing... the busybox isn't running bash, and read requires parameters |
| 12:26.14 | themill | dpkg: tell tdn about bashism |
| 12:26.34 | nsadmin | themill: what shell is in busybox? |
| 12:26.41 | frostschutz | ash |
| 12:26.48 | themill | a variation on ash |
| 12:27.16 | themill | for want of a better place to look, "man dash" would be useful |
| 12:27.18 | frostschutz | it does have read though |
| 12:27.22 | nsadmin | ok, cool... that's a posix sh-like shell yes? |
| 12:27.34 | frostschutz | its like bash without the b |
| 12:27.34 | nsadmin | dash? |
| 12:27.55 | nsadmin | bash, dash or ash... no one rides for free! |
| 12:27.59 | frostschutz | anyway tdn is doing strange things |
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| 12:28.01 | themill | frostschutz: dash vs bash read is a common bashism. I presume the same is true for busybox |
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| 12:28.38 | nsadmin | this is true |
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| 12:29.22 | neo[2k] | nsadmin: http://pastebin.org/204628 |
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| 12:29.41 | nsadmin | oh, yeah, that looks good |
| 12:30.02 | nsadmin | very complete, very standard, very correct |
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| 12:30.28 | nsadmin | and it doesn't trigger the resolvconf thing |
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| 12:31.19 | neo[2k] | yeah |
| 12:31.26 | neo[2k] | but the problem still remains :( |
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| 12:36.19 | neo[2k] | any ideas? |
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| 12:37.37 | Posterdati | hi |
| 12:37.56 | Posterdati | is there anyone developing on arm using gnu tools? |
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| 12:39.00 | jordanm | !tell Posterdati about arm |
| 12:39.05 | anabioz | hi |
| 12:39.32 | anabioz | question about updated repository lists |
| 12:39.49 | anabioz | how come there is still old version of havp that comes with EOL version of ClamAV |
| 12:39.51 | anabioz | 0.94* |
| 12:39.52 | Posterdati | jordanm: developing not other things |
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| 12:40.27 | jordanm | Posterdati: the factoid points on #debian-arm, where you would be more likely to find the information you are looking for... |
| 12:40.33 | jordanm | !tell Posterdati about anyone |
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| 12:41.00 | Posterdati | jordanm: cannot join that channel |
| 12:41.03 | tdn | I am trying to make an initrd with an init script that boots up and does the following: boots up; 1) partitions the harddisk; 2) mkfs a root fs; 3) mounts this fs; 4) rsyncs some basic files to this partition (e.g. from nfs or similar); 5) installs boot loader; 6) reboots. I have created a proof of concept initrd with an init script that does 1 and 2, but when I try to mount the root file system, I get an error: no such file or directory. |
| 12:41.16 | jordanm | Posterdati: its on a different server, are you connected to OFTC? |
| 12:41.25 | Posterdati | yes |
| 12:41.47 | tdn | I have checked that the device is present with ls -l /dev/hda1, I have checked that the mount point is present with ls -l /foo.... What am I missing? |
| 12:42.05 | jordanm | Posterdati: ask #myircclient |
| 12:43.01 | nsadmin | why can't you join? |
| 12:43.09 | jordanm | tdn: it sounds like your trying to reinevent things like FAI and preseeding |
| 12:43.14 | jordanm | you're |
| 12:43.23 | tdn | jordanm, FAI? |
| 12:43.34 | jordanm | !fai |
| 12:43.34 | dpkg | [fai] Fully Automatic Installation, an automated installation tool to install or deploy Debian GNU/Linux (and other distributions) on a bunch of different hosts or a cluster. It is more flexible than tools like <kickstart> (Red Hat), autoyast and alice (SuSE) or jumpstart (Sun Solaris). FAI can also be used for configuration management of a running system. http://www.informatik.uni-koeln.de/fai/ #fai on irc.oftc.net. |
| 12:43.39 | frostschutz | tdn: nopaste your init script somewhere |
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| 12:43.49 | tdn | frostschutz, 2 secs. |
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| 12:44.25 | nsadmin | does fai do disk partitioning? |
| 12:44.43 | the-dude | nsadmin: yes |
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| 12:45.11 | tdn | frostschutz, http://thomasdamgaard.dk/paste/P1562.html |
| 12:45.25 | nsadmin | tdn: so the burden is off you to write it if you don't actually want to |
| 12:46.34 | tdn | nsadmin, can FAI do all the six steps above. Please note that I am not just trying to do a normal install here. I need to copy some files from the network onto the disk. |
| 12:46.50 | tdn | So the installation is already made. I just need to copy the files over and make it bootable with a bootloader. |
| 12:46.59 | nsadmin | not sure but I think you can |
| 12:47.22 | nsadmin | would you do this with a CD? |
| 12:48.23 | tdn | nsadmin, nope. No cd. |
| 12:48.26 | tdn | nsadmin, only network. |
| 12:48.39 | tdn | nsadmin, I have set up a tftp server to boot off pxelinux. |
| 12:48.57 | nsadmin | that might be doable, not sure |
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| 12:49.28 | ampex | anyone familiar with par2? |
| 12:49.38 | ampex | I have four files that I'm going to be writing to DVD, they are |
| 12:49.38 | ampex | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:49.38 | ampex | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:49.40 | ampex | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:49.55 | ampex | sorry about that |
| 12:50.39 | jordanm | !paste |
| 12:50.39 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastebin.ca/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>. |
| 12:51.23 | jordanm | ampex: you can use `split` and `cat` to split files into parts and catenate them back together |
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| 12:52.01 | Nebukadneza | heho |
| 12:52.09 | ampex | jordanm: how does that help me? |
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| 12:55.11 | Nebukadneza | i'm trying to build a crosstoolchain for amd64 on i386... i've dpkg-cross'ed libc6 and libc6-dev according to the howto... |
| 12:55.46 | Nebukadneza | problem's now that one of the packages needs a tzdata-cross package, however i couldnt figure out how to build one yet: http://nopaste.ghostdub.de/?7 |
| 12:55.49 | desktop-newbie | jelly, nsadmin: did you have a look at the output of lspci -n which can be found on http://pastebin.com/pmFu5qz7 ? |
| 12:55.51 | Nebukadneza | can anyone help me? |
| 12:56.18 | jordanm | ,versions tzdata-amd64-cross |
| 12:56.18 | tdn | nsadmin, I have looked a bit on FAI. It is an interesting project, but I think it does too much to be usable for me. |
| 12:56.19 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'tzdata-amd64-cross' was found. |
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| 12:56.37 | tdn | nsadmin, I really only need the above 6 steps. |
| 12:56.49 | arcsky | guys anyone used oidented? |
| 12:56.50 | jordanm | Nebukadneza: perhaps you want pbuilder |
| 12:57.03 | themill | Nebukadneza: it's an architecture-independent package. Cross-compilation shouldn't be needed for it. |
| 12:57.39 | chessboxing | How do I see if iptables is installed, because iptables -L doesn't do a thing (command not found) BTw this is a fresh debian lenny x64 setup |
| 12:57.40 | frostschutz | tdn: that's one ugly script, but if the mkfs succeeds I don't see why the mount would fail, unless the mount point doesnt exist or the kernel doesnt have the filesystem support built in |
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| 12:57.59 | jordanm | chessboxing: try again as root, or: /sbin/iptables -L |
| 12:58.11 | frostschutz | tdn: try mount -t ext2? |
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| 12:58.14 | jordanm | !tell chessboxing about search |
| 12:58.19 | tdn | frostschutz, I know it is ugly :) It is just proof of concept for now. |
| 12:58.21 | jordanm | chessboxing: awesome nick btw :) |
| 12:58.21 | tdn | frostschutz, ok. |
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| 12:59.14 | tdn | frostschutz, the mountpoint does exist: I check that with ls just abovve. |
| 12:59.16 | chessboxing | jordanm: good thing I registered it |
| 12:59.35 | neo[2k] | nsadmin: I got it working now :) |
| 12:59.44 | nsadmin | what did you do? |
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| 13:00.40 | desktop-newbie | i assume a lot of people have joined this channel since i left so... |
| 13:01.04 | desktop-newbie | I have an old Toshiba Satellite 4070CDS laptop and installed Lenny on it. |
| 13:01.12 | desktop-newbie | Toshiba Satellite 4070 CDS Specification: 366MHz Intel Celeron n/a IDE USB/PCMCIA 2.5,Trident Cyber 9525, 2.5 MB. It also has 192MB RAM and a 10 gig hard disk. |
| 13:01.22 | desktop-newbie | The install went OK but I am experiencing hard lock ups. The errors were as follows: hda: status error: status=0xd0 { Busy } ide: failed opcode was: unknown ide0: reset timed out, status=0xd0 hda: status timeout: status=0xd0 { Busy } ide0: reset: success |
| 13:01.35 | desktop-newbie | I thought it was the hard disk but I tried 3 different ones and I still get lock ups. Moreover, XP was originally on the laptop and it was working OK. So what can this newbie do? |
| 13:02.16 | Nebukadneza | jordanm: pbuilder? |
| 13:02.18 | overnout | #openbsd |
| 13:02.24 | nsadmin | do you have the piix module inserted at the time you're getting these errors? |
| 13:02.28 | neo[2k] | nsadmin: I uninstalled resolvconf, so the nameservers from resolv.conf are not overwritten any more |
| 13:02.31 | jordanm | !tell Nebukadneza about pbuilder |
| 13:02.31 | overnout | sorry |
| 13:02.37 | cantido | desktop-newbie: try turning DMA off with hdparm |
| 13:02.46 | Nebukadneza | hm |
| 13:03.03 | Nebukadneza | themill: well, the dependency still says it wants "tzdata-amd64-cross"... |
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| 13:03.49 | themill | Nebukadneza: yeah, I know little about dpkg-cross, but there should be no need to cross-compile arch:all packages. |
| 13:04.03 | themill | (except perhaps to change the file locations I guess) |
| 13:04.16 | Nebukadneza | themill: mh |
| 13:04.22 | Nebukadneza | or should i just --force-depends? |
| 13:04.39 | desktop-newbie | cantido, the problem happens whether dma is on or off |
| 13:04.40 | themill | Nebukadneza: you can't cross-compile the tzdata package in the same way? |
| 13:04.45 | kraehe | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/current-live/i386/net/ <- does this directory contain files for network (PXE,dhcp,tftp,nfs) boot - and where is there kernel/initrd for this network boot? |
| 13:05.11 | kraehe | or asked other way round: how to install a debian on a system without cdrom |
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| 13:05.13 | Nebukadneza | themill: seems like no - dpkg-cross said it cannot do anything since there arent any "relevant fils in the package" |
| 13:05.22 | desktop-newbie | nsadmin, you talking to me? |
| 13:05.27 | themill | Nebukadneza: nfc then. |
| 13:05.31 | Nebukadneza | nfc? |
| 13:05.46 | nsadmin | desktop-newbie: yes |
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| 13:05.57 | cantido | desktop-newbie: can you find out ide chipset is? |
| 13:06.55 | jordanm | kraehe: http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/ |
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| 13:07.15 | kraehe | *ah* thanks jordanm |
| 13:07.34 | jordanm | kraehe: np |
| 13:08.01 | desktop-newbie | cantido, http://pastebin.com/pmFu5qz7 |
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| 13:09.36 | cantido | desktop-newbie: mmm you don't seem to have anything weird, it's crappy old via at least |
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| 13:10.14 | cantido | desktop-newbie: you don't get any errors during the install? |
| 13:10.30 | neo[2k] | how do I change interface and console language, but keep my keyboard input language? |
| 13:10.48 | jordanm | !locale |
| 13:10.48 | dpkg | i heard locale is a set of rules for presenting information to humans according to local conventions (date format, thousands separators, language, etc.). See http://wiki.debian.org/Locale and http://mywiki.wooledge.org/locale for more info. <locales> |
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| 13:11.12 | desktop-newbie | nsadmin, i believe the piix module is inserted at the time i get the errors. i booted up the laptop 5 min ago and the errors have not occurred yet but yes the module you talk about is present according to lsmod |
| 13:11.39 | nsadmin | ok, sounds like it's there |
| 13:11.46 | jordanm | desktop-newbie: piix is likely loaded by initrd and required for booting |
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| 13:14.00 | desktop-newbie | jordanm, so what commands shall i execute to solve my problem? |
| 13:14.23 | tdn | frostschutz, worked. Thanks. |
| 13:15.03 | jordanm | desktop-newbie: I have no comment on that |
| 13:15.52 | desktop-newbie | nsadmin, so what commands shall i execute to solve my problem? |
| 13:16.17 | distress | which command |
| 13:16.20 | nsadmin | , pciid 8086:7111 |
| 13:16.21 | judd | [8086:7111] is '82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 IDE' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel module 'piix' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:7111 |
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| 13:16.42 | desktop-newbie | cantido, The install went OK but I am experiencing hard lock ups. The errors were as follows: hda: status error: status=0xd0 { Busy } ide: failed opcode was: unknown ide0: reset timed out, status=0xd0 hda: status timeout: status=0xd0 { Busy } ide0: reset: success |
| 13:17.02 | desktop-newbie | I thought it was the hard disk but I tried 3 different ones and I still get lock ups. Moreover, XP was originally on the laptop and it was working OK. So what can this newbie do? |
| 13:17.40 | nsadmin | I have no idea... it should work |
| 13:19.37 | desktop-newbie | nsadmin, if you being an experienced gnu/linux user have no idea how to solve my problem, then i f*****! |
| 13:20.09 | desktop-newbie | nsadmin, sorry for the typo .if you being an experienced gnu/linux user have no idea how to solve my problem, then i am f*****! |
| 13:20.33 | nsadmin | can't solve every problem... |
| 13:21.41 | nsadmin | do you have something newer you could try it on? |
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| 13:22.43 | desktop-newbie | nsadmin, OK but if i am not mistaken, you mention something about replacing my Laptop´ s cable or something. Could you please elaborate on that? |
| 13:22.45 | nsadmin | desktop-newbie: truthfully, this is what it's like, people have to solve their own problems or wait for a solution or buy different hardware known to work or whatever the workaround it |
| 13:22.55 | nsadmin | whatever the workaround is |
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| 13:23.21 | nsadmin | someone else was working with you saying something about the cable |
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| 13:25.04 | jelly | desktop-newbie: as long as it's a fresh installation, have you tried installing debian 4 (etch)? |
| 13:25.41 | wade | assuming the install went ok... |
| 13:26.06 | wade | and getting bad hdd read errors |
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| 13:26.50 | wade | one would assume the hdd is not reading properly or is screwed |
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| 13:27.17 | desktop-newbie | i have not tried installing etch. By the way my problematic old laptop has been up for 34 minutes without lock ups. The record is less than an hour. |
| 13:27.29 | wade | tried 'messing around; with it's access modes in bios? :) |
| 13:27.39 | jelly | desktop-newbie: see how it fares with etch |
| 13:28.07 | nsadmin | this isn't part of the problem, but how much ram do you have in the laptop? |
| 13:28.16 | jeff_hann | jelly, IMHO, it's a hardware problem, so that won't help that much |
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| 13:28.28 | jelly | desktop-newbie: it has quite older a kernel, that might not have the bugs in lenny one, if those bugs are to be blames |
| 13:28.33 | jelly | blamed* |
| 13:28.38 | jelly | -++ |
| 13:28.51 | desktop-newbie | nsadmin, 192 MB RAM, 10 gig hd |
| 13:28.56 | nsadmin | desktop-newbie: btw, what do you want to use linux for on that laptop? |
| 13:29.17 | wade | yeah sounds dodgy az, get a new hdd but try LBA Access mode in bios i swear its more dependable |
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| 13:29.28 | wade | in old hardward |
| 13:29.32 | wade | hardware* |
| 13:29.32 | desktop-newbie | nsadmin, for web browing, mp3 playing and word processing. |
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| 13:30.23 | nsadmin | you seem to be consistantly on the net... not dropping off or anything... you have a second machine? |
| 13:31.27 | wade | who, me or newbie |
| 13:31.29 | desktop-newbie | nsadmin, yes. my second machine, the one i am using to chat is an intel atom based netbook |
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| 13:31.55 | wade | ^_^ afk |
| 13:32.22 | nsadmin | wade: no, was talking to dn |
| 13:32.30 | chessboxing | I don't get iptables man. I have this currently: -A INPUT -p tcp -m tcp --dport ftp -j ACCEPT So I change ftp into for instance 55555. safe into nano. Than change vsftpd listen_port=55555 restart it. But it doesn't work with 55555 however oddly with default port 21. pfff |
| 13:32.36 | jelly | desktop-newbie: also, when we ask for output of specific command, it's nice not to vary the parameters; you'd posted lspci -nn when lspci -n was asked for |
| 13:33.57 | nsadmin | chessboxing: did you restart the ftpd? |
| 13:34.22 | nsadmin | also remember that ftp uses two ports |
| 13:34.30 | chessboxing | ftpd, I have vsftpd as ftp daemon... |
| 13:34.58 | nsadmin | and did you restart it? :) |
| 13:35.00 | chessboxing | nsadmin: yes I know ftp-data. That I changed to |
| 13:35.09 | desktop-newbie | jelly, sorry about the lspci post. Do you need the output of lspci -n? |
| 13:35.12 | chessboxing | nsadmin: no :s I shoudl? |
| 13:35.40 | nsadmin | yes, just changing the config file isn't enough to change the port |
| 13:35.55 | lng | 7part |
| 13:35.57 | nsadmin | maybe it will reread config if you send it a SIGHUP |
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| 13:36.18 | chessboxing | so ftpd service should be restarted although I use vsftpd? |
| 13:36.34 | jelly | desktop-newbie: nah, generated it with help of awk: http://paste.debian.net/72265 |
| 13:37.02 | jelly | desktop-newbie: this output can be used at http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.cgi |
| 13:37.35 | nsadmin | I was using "ftpd" as a generic term meaning whatever ftpd upoi |
| 13:37.41 | nsadmin | you're using |
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| 13:38.58 | chessboxing | nsadmin: I said I restarted vsftpd. |
| 13:39.07 | nsadmin | oh ok |
| 13:39.07 | jordanm | chessboxing: you can use netstat -lnp to verify the service is listening on the correct port |
| 13:39.24 | nsadmin | yeah that's a good idea :) |
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| 13:41.13 | desktop-newbie | jelly, someone mentioned something about replacing my Laptop´ s cable or something. Could you please elaborate on that? |
| 13:41.23 | chessboxing | jordanm: Ok it listens to port 21 Although I changed /etc/iptables.rules file to: -A INPUT -p tcp -m tcp --dport 55555 -j ACCEPT instead of "ftp" |
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| 13:41.45 | chessboxing | * /etc/iptables.up.rules |
| 13:41.57 | jeff_hann | desktop-newbie, a faulty cable can cause lots of problems |
| 13:42.07 | nsadmin | you'd need to change the ftpd's config too, before restarting it |
| 13:42.55 | jeff_hann | desktop-newbie, better try another cable before (re)installing; it's faster and easier |
| 13:42.57 | jelly | desktop-newbie: I can't. |
| 13:43.21 | chessboxing | nsadmin: done that. /etc/vsftpd.conf > listen_port=55555 |
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| 13:43.38 | nsadmin | hmm, why isn't it doing it... |
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| 13:44.18 | jordanm | chessboxing: the default iptables rules do not block anything so there are no need to add accept rules |
| 13:44.30 | jordanm | chessboxing: unless you did something like change the default policy to reject |
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| 13:44.32 | jelly | desktop-newbie: laptop spare parts are often model specific, nontrivial to acquire for old models, and hardware issues are outside of the scope of this channel anyway, so I'm suggesting exhausting possible software tests/solutions before blaming hw |
| 13:45.08 | cristi8 | hi. i want to light up my "scroll lock" led on my keyboard to notify me of some things.. how can i light it up? |
| 13:45.12 | desktop-newbie | jeff_hann, is replacing my laptop´ s cable a newbie friendly thing? |
| 13:45.28 | jeff_hann | desktop-newbie, hmmm |
| 13:45.29 | jelly | jeff_hann: ^^ for you as well, since you seem to be the one suggesting fixing 10yr old laptops |
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| 13:45.48 | jeff_hann | jelly, changing a cable ain't fixing per se |
| 13:45.48 | jelly | starts to think desktop-newbie is a troll |
| 13:46.04 | nsadmin | unless it solves the problem :) |
| 13:46.16 | jeff_hann | desktop-newbie, take it to a computer service |
| 13:46.17 | desktop-newbie | jelly, i am not a troll, i am desktop newbie :) |
| 13:46.20 | nsadmin | that would be less of a fix and more of a repair |
| 13:46.22 | jae | There was an option to limit the number of pkgs dpkg installs in one batch before writing its db? I just can't recall it. |
| 13:46.25 | jelly | desktop-newbie: you ask stupid questions. |
| 13:46.41 | desktop-newbie | jelly, asking technical questions is stupid? |
| 13:46.52 | jeff_hann | jelly, he's asking noobish questions |
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| 13:47.21 | jelly | desktop-newbie: no, querying for friendliness of hardware repair work is stupid |
| 13:47.56 | jeff_hann | desktop-newbie, so, do you have a nearby hardware service facility? |
| 13:48.07 | desktop-newbie | i have been told to deal with hdparm, lsmod, lspci , etc. That is technical stuff, right? |
| 13:48.19 | jeff_hann | as this is trivial for any IT service guy |
| 13:48.35 | chessboxing | nsadmin: netstat -lnp still says 0.0.0.0.0:21 for vsftpd although /etc/iptables.up.rules is defined as 55555 |
| 13:48.37 | pegasus-rider | Would some one kindly help with an initrd problem? |
| 13:48.56 | jeff_hann | pegasus-rider, ask away and you'll find out :) |
| 13:49.06 | nsadmin | chessboxing: how are you restarting the daemon? |
| 13:49.14 | cristi8 | someone can help me light-up my led, or shall i start writing randomly to /proc ? :P |
| 13:49.22 | chessboxing | /etc/init.d/vsftpd restart |
| 13:49.24 | chessboxing | with sudo |
| 13:49.29 | desktop-newbie | No, i do not have a hardware facility nearby. However, i have friends who have old laptops like mine and i might ask them about the cable. The thing is that they all use xp on their old laptops. |
| 13:50.01 | jeff_hann | desktop-newbie, ask for a cable for lending, try it and see if it works. |
| 13:50.11 | jordanm | chessboxing: did you configure sudo so that your user has permission to do that? |
| 13:50.12 | jeff_hann | cristi8, did google help? |
| 13:50.26 | amphi | cristi8: anything promising under /sys/class/leds/ ? |
| 13:50.29 | desktop-newbie | Moreover, XP was originally on the problematic (with GNU/Linux) laptop and it was working OK. So what can I as a newbie do? |
| 13:50.33 | pegasus-rider | Despite the controller and file system modules being within the image, it won't mount / |
| 13:50.49 | chessboxing | jordanm: the user is in the soduoers |
| 13:50.55 | jeff_hann | desktop-newbie, you were given advice by others and myself |
| 13:50.58 | cristi8 | jeff_hann: no, i only find how to enable the scroll lock key on google. |
| 13:51.07 | abrotman | desktop-newbie: your lockups could be from a controller or motherboard, or even overheating |
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| 13:51.18 | jordanm | chessboxing: with permission for /etc/init.d/vsftpd or ALL? |
| 13:51.18 | nsadmin | cristi8: you're welcome to write to your own /proc... but there might be consequences for doing something unfortunate |
| 13:51.21 | jelly | desktop-newbie: stop repeating you're a newbie, for a start |
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| 13:51.28 | chessboxing | ALL |
| 13:51.42 | jordanm | terrible idea IMO but ok... |
| 13:51.48 | cristi8 | amphi: i don't have leds in my /sys/class/ |
| 13:52.04 | amphi | cristi8: so much for that idea then |
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| 13:52.29 | nsadmin | jelly: when I called him on that earlier, he wanted to clearly differentiate himself from a "geek" |
| 13:52.44 | desktop-newbie | jeff_hann, advice which even though appreciated did not solve my problem |
| 13:52.48 | cristi8 | do anyone know how to enable caps lock / num lock somehow instead? |
| 13:53.06 | jelly | nsadmin: I was there, too. |
| 13:53.06 | jeff_hann | cristi8, aptitude install numlockx |
| 13:53.26 | jelly | desktop-newbie: you didn't actually DO anything to fix your problem. |
| 13:53.27 | jeff_hann | desktop-newbie, did you follow any of the advice? |
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| 13:53.41 | jeff_hann | yeah, my point |
| 13:54.05 | pegasus-rider | Ah, it looks like GRUB[2] won't pass root option to the kernel command line even trough I told it to |
| 13:54.13 | nsadmin | other than provide info |
| 13:54.15 | abrotman | !es |
| 13:54.15 | jordanm | !newb |
| 13:54.16 | dpkg | Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat |
| 13:54.17 | dpkg | Don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell. |
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| 13:54.59 | nsadmin | pegasus-rider: you would put root=/dev/whatever on the kernel command line |
| 13:55.08 | pegasus-rider | Yeah, I told GRUB to |
| 13:55.09 | chessboxing | jordanm: lol, its always a bad idea but I'm can't be an expert and know everything at ones. I'm not using windows because its not safe to I learn linux. I'm not using glftpd because its not secure so I use vsftpd. I'm not using port 21 because its not safe so I try changing it. Man give me a break. If you understand me. I want it as uber safe as possible sure! lolz |
| 13:55.36 | desktop-newbie | abrotman, the laptop is not hot, it is rather cold. my netbook is way way warmer. If it were the controller or motherboard, how come XP was working flawlessly just before I installed GNU/Linux? |
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| 13:55.48 | abrotman | desktop-newbie: then reinstall XP .. problem solved |
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| 13:56.11 | pegasus-rider | module /xen-linux root=/dev/sdc2 ro is the line that should load the kernel, which is loaded, but command line parameters are not passed |
| 13:56.23 | abrotman | i mean .. they do use different drivers and all, they may use different features of the hardware |
| 13:56.23 | nsadmin | desktop-newbie: you could try it on the atom |
| 13:56.32 | jeff_hann | pegasus-rider, update-grub |
| 13:56.52 | pegasus-rider | I did it |
| 13:56.55 | jeff_hann | desktop-newbie, any comparison of such sort is useless, let alone annoying |
| 13:57.29 | jeff_hann | pegasus-rider, update-initramfs -u ? |
| 13:57.33 | pegasus-rider | GRUB picks the settings up, i. e. when highlighting the menu entry and pressing e, I see it |
| 13:57.53 | pegasus-rider | I created ram disk just today, unlikely need to |
| 13:58.19 | jeff_hann | pegasus-rider, won't hurt to update, just to exclude that posibility |
| 13:58.26 | jordanm | chessboxing: no FTP is secure |
| 13:58.29 | jeff_hann | *possibility |
| 13:58.29 | jordanm | !ftpmustdie |
| 13:58.30 | dpkg | FTP MUST DIE! http://mywiki.wooledge.org/FtpMustDie |
| 13:58.50 | pegasus-rider | Yeah, UNIX must die too, it's too simple |
| 13:59.02 | Zaia | j recife |
| 13:59.05 | desktop-newbie | abrotman, that is exactly what all my friends who have old laptops like me said : reinstall XP because it works. Linux is too problematic, geeky , desktop users are not well supported except for smarmy geeks. But I do not want to go back to XP because it would mean accepting defeat and my friends would be laughing no end |
| 13:59.23 | chessboxing | jordanm: You don't get my point... |
| 13:59.27 | cristi8 | oh.. xset can light up leds :) |
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| 13:59.35 | jeff_hann | desktop-newbie, I have Linux on a Thinkpad T22, works just fine |
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| 13:59.42 | jeff_hann | so do many others |
| 13:59.44 | abrotman | desktop-newbie: try another distro .. or check your BIOS settings .. |
| 13:59.55 | jordanm | chessboxing: you may not get mine... use scp/sftp |
| 13:59.58 | chessboxing | jordanm: I will use ftpes. tls. Yes sftp is even safer. god damnit |
| 14:00.00 | amphi | I miss my T22 *sniff* |
| 14:00.18 | jordanm | chessboxing: good luck trying to make ftps work with any firewalls involved |
| 14:00.35 | abrotman | desktop-newbie: perhaps try a more 'newb' friendly distro like ubuntu or something like that |
| 14:00.39 | jordanm | its very difficult to implement and thus... I have never actually seen it |
| 14:00.44 | chessboxing | jordanm: thats why I first want ftp to work with another pot |
| 14:00.49 | chessboxing | *port |
| 14:00.54 | desktop-newbie | what do i need to check BIOS wise? My laptop´ s BIOS is really crappy when it comes to options and config |
| 14:01.15 | jordanm | chessboxing: security via obscurity? |
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| 14:01.46 | amphi | desktop-newbie: did you look at linux-laptop.net and/or tuxmobil.org for info on your laptop model? |
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| 14:01.52 | jordanm | chessboxing: just look at this way: whats stopping you from using scp/sftp instead? |
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| 14:02.23 | chessboxing | jordanm: just to able to do it this way. Than I can look at that. |
| 14:02.27 | desktop-newbie | abrotman, ubuntu and other newbie friendly distros do NOT work on my old laptop which has only 192MB RAM (the maximum supported) |
| 14:02.39 | desktop-newbie | Yes, i did try them |
| 14:02.41 | pegasus-rider | No way jeff_hann, the same thing |
| 14:03.12 | desktop-newbie | amphi, yes i did and got neither pointers nor solutions to my problem |
| 14:03.28 | jeff_hann | desktop-newbie, try distrowatch |
| 14:03.49 | jeff_hann | do a lil' searching and you'll find a distro for your laptop |
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| 14:06.26 | desktop-newbie | jeff_hann, yes i did some research before coming here and went to distrowatch and tried FIVE distros that can be installed on my old laptop but the issue remained the same. The issue is NOT distro specific, it is gnu/linux specific |
| 14:06.40 | abrotman | desktop-newbie: yes, they would .. they have a low-mem wy to insyall |
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| 14:08.04 | desktop-newbie | what i am trying to say is that being myself a newbie (and yes, that has to be mentioned) i tried all the things a newbie would and then some! |
| 14:08.14 | nsadmin | yjsy |
| 14:08.22 | nsadmin | that's been mentioned :P |
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| 14:08.36 | jeff_hann | desktop-newbie, ubuntu has a alternate install cd |
| 14:09.03 | wessly | after 5.0.4 testing installation any usb port not recognize mouse or webcam at all |
| 14:09.26 | jeff_hann | wessly, 5.0.4 or testing? :) |
| 14:09.32 | desktop-newbie | jeff_hann, i tried that alternative install and it bombed because it needs at least 256MB RAM. My laptop has 192MB which is the maximum supported |
| 14:09.59 | wessly | squeeze |
| 14:10.57 | nsadmin | squeeze is testing; did you want that or 5.0.4? |
| 14:11.13 | jeff_hann | desktop-newbie, from the xubuntu system requirements : |
| 14:11.15 | jeff_hann | If your system has less than 192 MB of system memory, use the Alternate Installation CD. |
| 14:11.23 | jeff_hann | </quote> |
| 14:11.28 | jordanm | !ubuntu |
| 14:11.29 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 14:12.06 | jeff_hann | jordanm, point taken. |
| 14:12.08 | wessly | i don't understand your question but i'm trying to say -> i downloaded the testing iso from debian and install it |
| 14:12.29 | desktop-newbie | jeff_hann, that xubuntu page need urgent updating, the install with less than 256MB RAM bombed not only on my laptop but also on 3 other boxes with less than 256MB RAM |
| 14:12.39 | jordanm | !tell wessly about testing |
| 14:12.45 | jordanm | !tell wessly about moving target |
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| 14:13.32 | jeff_hann | desktop-newbie, let me see...I have some live cd's handy and a virtual machine |
| 14:13.39 | nsadmin | desktop-newbie: then your only workable solution is to use xp on that machine |
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| 14:14.29 | nsadmin | the linux kernel has dropped support for older hardware (altho your disk controller seems to be supported) |
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| 14:15.29 | desktop-newbie | nsadmin, that is exactly what all my friends who have old laptops like me said : "reinstall XP because it works. Linux is too problematic, geeky , desktop users are not well supported except for smarmy geeks". But I do not want to go back to XP because it would mean accepting defeat and my friends would be laughing no end |
| 14:15.46 | jeff_hann | desktop-newbie, you kinda repeat your self |
| 14:15.52 | jeff_hann | *yourself |
| 14:16.04 | jeff_hann | maybe jelly was right and you are trolling |
| 14:16.28 | desktop-newbie | nsadmin, debian still support 486 and Pentium unlike the vast majority of popular and actively developed distros |
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| 14:17.08 | jeff_hann | desktop-newbie, it's a Pentium 2 CPU, right? |
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| 14:17.14 | omg_onoez | debian supports even microwave ovens |
| 14:17.17 | TAD_ | I got a laptop that requires me to set kernel paramer "acpi=off" (else the kernel doesn't start well); unfortunately that makes suspend not to work (am using GNOME power management preferences UI), so how do I workaround this? |
| 14:17.28 | wessly | jordanm: i read it and understand it...well i use squeeze at now and my usb ports dont work :) |
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| 14:17.58 | jordanm | wessly: testing is intended for experienced users |
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| 14:19.09 | wessly | i know about that but i'm trying to learn myself in action not to stay all time at stable |
| 14:19.25 | desktop-newbie | My goodness! A new record! My laptop´ s uptime is 1 hour 24 minutes and that without passing any special boot options. That does not mean the problem is solved though because any minute now the laptop may freeze again! |
| 14:19.45 | jeff_hann | desktop-newbie, it's a Pentium 2 CPU, right? |
| 14:19.45 | ardya | hi folks, in trying to configure lenny for ldap login authentication, I notice there is no configuration for ldap in pam's files in /etc/pam.d...is this a bug in the installation of libpam-ldap? |
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| 14:19.51 | desktop-newbie | Toshiba Satellite 4070 CDS Specification: 366MHz Intel Celeron n/a IDE USB/PCMCIA 2.5,Trident Cyber 9525, 2.5 MB. It also has 192MB RAM and a 10 gig hard disk. |
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| 14:20.07 | nsadmin | what's your uname -r again\ |
| 14:20.25 | jeff_hann | desktop-newbie, that CPU supports the i686 instruction set, supported by all distros |
| 14:20.42 | desktop-newbie | 2.6.26-2-686 |
| 14:21.01 | linhis | i change the include_path in my php.ini file, but it doesnt take effect |
| 14:21.02 | linhis | in the phpinfo file it shows include_path as .:/usr/share/php:/usr/share/pear, no matter what i change it into |
| 14:21.04 | linhis | i have restarted my apache, still doesnt work |
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| 14:21.12 | foetus | hallo, i've got a question - whats happened with the etch-and-a-half installer? Revision r8 brings me kernel panic! Revision r6 is working. |
| 14:21.45 | jelly | foetus: why do you require that installer? |
| 14:22.05 | desktop-newbie | jeff_hann, cpu speed is important but lots of modern, actively developed distros do not play ball unless you have 256MB RAM. |
| 14:22.26 | justin | linhis: wrong php.ini? |
| 14:22.28 | foetus | jelly: I'm in Etch on my small Pentium. |
| 14:22.33 | jeff_hann | desktop-newbie, strike two : I am installing that debian-derived distro in a virtual machine with 192 MB of RAM |
| 14:22.54 | jelly | foetus: and you're trying to reinstall it? |
| 14:22.57 | jeff_hann | with the graphical installer |
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| 14:24.24 | foetus | jelly: no, i have upgrated my Etch-DVDs from r6 to r8 with JIGDO and have tried the ethandahalf-CD as the new Installmedia... |
| 14:24.47 | foetus | etchandahalf. |
| 14:24.59 | chessboxing | what does it take to change port 21 to 52763 other than: connect_from_port_20=YES; ftp_data_port=52762; listen_port=52763 Than restart the service. /etc/iptables.up.rules : -A INPUT -p tcp -m tcp --dport 52763 -j ACCEPT and another one for port 52762? I do netstat -lnp but vsftpd still lists to port 21. I'm confused |
| 14:25.11 | desktop-newbie | jeff_hann, in what way can that actually solve my problem? |
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| 14:25.35 | jelly | foetus: I mean, it's a single machine. You don't have to care about the installer any more. |
| 14:25.44 | jordanm | chessboxing: iptables has nothing to do with that stuff, as I said earlier |
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| 14:25.54 | jeff_hann | desktop-newbie, why do I get the feeling that you did not actually try the things above? |
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| 14:26.07 | linhis | justin:no its the right one |
| 14:26.23 | chessboxing | jordanm: what has to do with it then? |
| 14:26.27 | jordanm | chessboxing: perhaps try a vsftp channel. although, I don't recall you mentioning why scp/sftp was not a valid solution |
| 14:26.28 | linhis | justin:/etc/php5/apache2/php.ini |
| 14:26.34 | jordanm | chessboxing: vsftpd configuration |
| 14:27.07 | abrotman | jeff_hann: you could just stop talking to him ? |
| 14:27.14 | foetus | jelly: But the Install was a pleasure in the past - so why it is not working anymore? Have I done something wrong with it? |
| 14:27.45 | foetus | (what a question):). |
| 14:27.45 | jeff_hann | abrotman, yeah, you're probably right |
| 14:27.47 | chessboxing | jordanm: because ftpes it safe to. And easier to setup. Vsftpd conf is just fine. |
| 14:27.51 | desktop-newbie | jeff_hann, try what? virtualization? |
| 14:27.53 | jelly | foetus: using etch installer since 2010-02-15 is wrong, yes |
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| 14:27.53 | linhis | justin:moreover phpinfo shows ".:/usr/share/php:/usr/share/pear", which is not the include_path in php.ini |
| 14:28.10 | desktop-newbie | yes! |
| 14:28.11 | jordanm | chessboxing: its *not* easier to setup and you will likely have problems with client trying to connect |
| 14:28.27 | foetus | jelly: Uff, which one should i use now? |
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| 14:28.56 | jelly | foetus: may I be so bold as to suggest the current one, debian 5 (lenny) |
| 14:29.04 | jordanm | chessboxing: ftps sounds logical... but in practice there are issues with it. "ftp friendly" firewalls are worthless when the ftp traffic is encrypted |
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| 14:30.39 | chessboxing | jordanm: thats all irrelevant to my questions. I will find out later in a test setup to use sftp. For now I have to manage with ftpes. |
| 14:31.47 | foetus | jelly: hmm, thanks, however...I will try few installers in my Virtual Box first, maybe its the right choice.. |
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| 14:32.08 | cheche | chessboxing: what jordanm is trying to say is that maybe there aree other options. I like rsync over ssh. and sftp without username/passwd |
| 14:32.24 | jordanm | chessboxing: if you have openssh-server installed and have not modified sshd_config, you are already running an sftp server |
| 14:32.40 | jordanm | cheche: I assume he wants authenticated ftp if he wants to run it over TLS |
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| 14:33.21 | desktop-newbie | i assume a lot of people have joined this channel since i left so... |
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| 14:33.46 | cheche | jordanm: I have tried this week filezilla with client key auth, and it works pretty nice |
| 14:33.48 | desktop-newbie | i assume a lot of people have joined this channel since my last post so ... |
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| 14:34.22 | desktop-newbie | and new people who have just joined may help :) |
| 14:34.29 | desktop-newbie | I have an old Toshiba Satellite 4070CDS laptop and installed Lenny on it. |
| 14:34.31 | ghghjnt | any good java channel? |
| 14:34.31 | jordanm | cheche: yes! I thought it was cool filezilla included sftp. nice for windows clients (and still available on *nix) |
| 14:34.35 | desktop-newbie | Toshiba Satellite 4070 CDS Specification: 366MHz Intel Celeron n/a IDE USB/PCMCIA 2.5,Trident Cyber 9525, 2.5 MB. It also has 192MB RAM and a 10 gig hard disk. |
| 14:34.43 | desktop-newbie | The install went OK but I am experiencing hard lock ups. The errors were as follows: hda: status error: status=0xd0 { Busy } ide: failed opcode was: unknown ide0: reset timed out, status=0xd0 hda: status timeout: status=0xd0 { Busy } ide0: reset: success |
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| 14:34.55 | desktop-newbie | I thought it was the hard disk but I tried 3 different ones and I still get lock ups. Moreover, XP was originally on the laptop and it was working OK. So what can this newbie do? |
| 14:35.16 | desktop-newbie | http://pastebin.com/pmFu5qz7 |
| 14:35.19 | jordanm | tries to think of a wutang anology for chessboxing :p |
| 14:35.26 | cheche | desktop-newbie: what maker is the HD? |
| 14:36.48 | chessboxing | cheche: I'm not gonna research again 2 weeks rsync. I'm not studying computer science and I'm not a developer. I'm fed up with always researching. First things first. |
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| 14:37.56 | chessboxing | cheche: I'm open to more secure things but I can't research all my life. On a certain point I have to use my server. |
| 14:38.03 | desktop-newbie | Fujitsu MHM2100AT, ATA disk drive. I tried 3 other hds from other manufacturers and the problem remained the same |
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| 14:39.41 | desktop-newbie | cheche, output of lspci -n can be found on http://pastebin.com/pmFu5qz7. i have to go right now, i have an appointment |
| 14:40.18 | desktop-newbie | thanks to all and hope to solve my problem somehow. |
| 14:40.52 | jordanm | chessboxing: your only making things harder on yourself. you were told the easiest and most secure solution. You just refuse to accept it |
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| 14:41.02 | jordanm | !xy problem |
| 14:41.02 | dpkg | [xyproblem] People often falsely diagnose problems because they are looking too closely at a problem: they have got stuck at a particular point (Y) doing something (X) and so ask about step Y, not realising that there is an easier or better way to do X in the first place. See http://mywiki.wooledge.org/XyProblem or http://homepages.tesco.net/J.deBoynePollard/FGA/put-down-the-chocolate-covered-banana.html |
| 14:41.20 | ghghjnt | how do I register my nick? |
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| 14:41.37 | pngwn | ghghjnt, send me $50 |
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| 14:41.53 | pngwn | ghghjnt, /msg nickserv help |
| 14:42.58 | chessboxing | jordanm: I'm researching already 3 weeks on setting up, rtorrent with rutorrent and sharing directories with chrooted virtual users in vsftpd, not to mention the permissions. I'm fed up. I just want ftpes. btw I read chrooted is iffy with sftp |
| 14:43.56 | jordanm | chessboxing: openssh itself can handle chrooting just fine |
| 14:44.14 | jordanm | chessboxing: as well as alternate shells such as rssh and scponly |
| 14:45.29 | chessboxing | jordanm: never heard about scponly rssh. And honestly I don't care atm. My head is blowing apart. |
| 14:45.35 | pegasus-rider | Regarding my old question about initrds, should I report about non-generated initrd? |
| 14:45.59 | jordanm | chessboxing: I understand your frustration, but that does not mean you should continue to use your intended method. If you have, for example, a firewall or NAT enabled router behind the FTP server, it is likely ftps will not work at all (atleast in passive mode) |
| 14:47.28 | jordanm | chessboxing: this is because FTP must choose a random port for its transfer. "ftp friendly" firewalls are able to identify these random port connections and allow them. This is not possible when you encrypt the FTP traffic with TLS/SSL |
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| 14:48.15 | erry | Hello, my laptop turned off while resizing a partition with gparted |
| 14:48.17 | cheche | chessboxing: anyway your problem is that you need to change the configuration part of vsftpd |
| 14:48.39 | TAD_ | I got a laptop that requires me to set boot-up kernel parameter "acpi=off" (else I get a kernel panic); unfortunately that makes suspend not to work (am using GNOME power management preferences UI), so how do I workaround this? |
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| 14:50.21 | simonrvn | erry: had you committed the changes yet? |
| 14:50.32 | erry | simonrvn, it was half way through.. |
| 14:50.39 | erry | simonrvn, can i recover any of my data by any chance? |
| 14:50.45 | cheche | I have a problem with openvnp, can I ask here? |
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| 14:51.58 | pallgone | TAD_: what model is the laptop? |
| 14:52.24 | TAD_ | compaq615 |
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| 14:52.44 | TAD_ | pallgone: ^ |
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| 14:53.33 | cheche | erry: maybe you can ask on #parted |
| 14:54.32 | simonrvn | erry: half way through committing? |
| 14:54.40 | erry | simonrvn, yup. |
| 14:54.55 | K1ng\ | what is text only web browser? |
| 14:54.59 | simonrvn | ouch. do ask them, they'll know what to do. |
| 14:55.03 | cheche | lynx |
| 14:55.12 | pallgone | TAD_: and debian? |
| 14:55.29 | simonrvn | w3m, links, link2, lynx, emacs' w3m-el, and probably more |
| 14:55.33 | akitada | Is there anyone who knows when will debian installer switch to 2.6.32 kernel? I'm having infamous USB keyboard problem at boot manu. |
| 14:55.41 | simonrvn | links2* |
| 14:56.59 | akitada | or I need to get a good old PS2 keyboard just for the installation. |
| 14:57.02 | jeff_hann | K1ng\, elinks also |
| 14:57.03 | simonrvn | erry: iirc parted does the partition table/map first then the mkfs. |
| 14:57.11 | simonrvn | ah yes |
| 14:57.15 | erry | simonrvn, well grub bring sunkown file system now. |
| 14:57.19 | simonrvn | forgot elinks |
| 14:57.27 | K1ng\ | i think lynx is good |
| 14:57.28 | simonrvn | *nods* |
| 14:57.34 | erry | so um |
| 14:57.47 | erry | is it gone |
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| 14:57.58 | pegasus-rider | w3m is even better :-) |
| 14:58.22 | simonrvn | ask them, because it could not be but grub is 'confused' |
| 14:58.44 | pegasus-rider | Some kind folks even included it in Debian base package set |
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| 15:00.59 | kraehe | what is the right append line, when using a kernel from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/current-live/i386/net/debian-live-504-i386-standard-net.tar.gz - to use this kernel/initrd to boot by a debootstrap'ed debian from nfs? |
| 15:01.12 | TAD_ | pallgone: I use testing |
| 15:01.19 | TAD_ | latest |
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| 15:03.39 | pallgone | TAD_: maybe try some other way to suspend, like the hibernate scripts/pm-utils and tell them not to use acpi |
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| 15:03.54 | pallgone | TAD_: not sure if it really works without acpi though |
| 15:04.07 | SammyTheSnake | if I have a machine with an AMD64 cpu, but with debian i386 installed, can I upgrade in-place, or do I need to re-install from scratch? |
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| 15:04.30 | pallgone | TAD_: aptitude search ~dsuspend |
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| 15:05.20 | foetus | I have tried the 5.04 Installer in Text mode, and I've got this: http://codepad.org/1TDgDLDh |
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| 15:05.26 | jeff_hann | SammyTheSnake, from x86 to amd64? |
| 15:05.38 | SammyTheSnake | jeff_hann: yes |
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| 15:05.52 | jordanm | foetus: what hardware? |
| 15:05.56 | jeff_hann | SammyTheSnake, reinstall |
| 15:06.16 | SammyTheSnake | jeff_hann: I figured that would be the most likely answer, but it's usually worth asking with these things :-P |
| 15:06.25 | jeff_hann | :) |
| 15:06.34 | jeff_hann | foetus, virtual machine? |
| 15:06.35 | cheche | SammyTheSnake: is there any reson you want to upgrade? |
| 15:06.54 | SammyTheSnake | cheche: twice as many bits can only be good :-P |
| 15:07.01 | jordanm | foetus: also, what happens before the dump is more useful to us non-kernel programmers |
| 15:07.12 | foetus | jordanm,jeff_hann:: VirtualBox, yes. |
| 15:07.19 | cheche | smacnay: :-) well, possibly you are looing for trouble :-)ç |
| 15:07.19 | SammyTheSnake | cheche: it's a headless server, so issues like flash etc. aren't a reason to use 32 bit |
| 15:07.31 | jeff_hann | jordanm, got that from the dump he posted |
| 15:07.49 | jeff_hann | foetus, my 2cents : use kvm |
| 15:07.57 | jeff_hann | is this a Linux host? |
| 15:08.03 | cheche | SammyTheSnake: maybe you are ok. |
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| 15:08.22 | foetus | jeff_hann: Debian 40r6 is working well. |
| 15:08.33 | erry | ok actually my stuff seems to still be there so can you help me reinstall grub? |
| 15:08.44 | jordanm | foetus: what version is the virtualbox? it has been having similar issues with kernels > .31, but this should not be the case with lenny |
| 15:08.57 | jeff_hann | foetus, another kernel, another story |
| 15:09.09 | mastro | is there a way to know which local process is connecting to a particular network port? |
| 15:09.19 | cheche | netstat -anp |
| 15:09.33 | SammyTheSnake | cheche: It's not a mission critical system and it's due for various other upgrades, I'm more curious than seriously considering an in-place upgrade |
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| 15:10.30 | mastro | cheche, tnx |
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| 15:10.32 | cheche | SammyTheSnake: fine, I asking for curiosity. I still hear problems with 64bits, so I am not going to rush to use it yet.... |
| 15:10.36 | distress | whats a good torrent to download hacked games from |
| 15:10.45 | erry | Can youi plz help me install grub |
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| 15:10.55 | distress | the original games .. hacked and or cracked |
| 15:11.05 | petemc | distress: this is a debian support channe; |
| 15:11.07 | pegasus-rider | erry, update-grub is likely to do the trick |
| 15:11.09 | petemc | channel |
| 15:11.10 | foetus | jeff_hann: i see, but.. debian-504-i386-netinst isnt working. I have tried it on my old Athlon - same game. |
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| 15:11.28 | cheche | erry: you are running from a live cd right? |
| 15:11.29 | jordanm | foetus: what version is the virtualbox? it has been having similar issues with kernels > .31, but this should not be the case with lenny |
| 15:11.31 | jeff_hann | foetus, odd; worked every time for me |
| 15:11.33 | distress | petemc: thanks for the information asshole |
| 15:11.42 | petemc | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:11.45 | jordanm | foetus: are you using the default installer or the kmuto installer? |
| 15:11.48 | SammyTheSnake | cheche: my home machine has been running 64 bit for about 3 years and I've been happy. There are some issues with 3rd party (binary only) software (e.g. flash) and a couple of significant apps like wine which are best run in a 32bit chroot, but I do that quite happily :-) |
| 15:11.55 | erry | cheche, yeah |
| 15:12.05 | jeff_hann | foetus, please report a bug |
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| 15:12.14 | cheche | SammyTheSnake: thanks for the info... |
| 15:12.25 | jeff_hann | with your vm and old athlon HW config info |
| 15:12.35 | cheche | erry: what is the name of the device /dev/sd... ? |
| 15:12.58 | foetus | jordanm: text mode only, the graphical one gives me - nothing :). |
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| 15:13.11 | erry | cheche, sda1 |
| 15:13.21 | cheche | is it mounted? |
| 15:13.28 | erry | cheche, i unmounted it |
| 15:13.45 | cheche | you need to mount it. |
| 15:13.48 | erry | cheche, ok |
| 15:14.00 | foetus | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:14.07 | simonrvn | !ops distress asking for cracks |
| 15:14.07 | erry | done |
| 15:14.07 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: simonrvn complains about: distress asking for cracks |
| 15:14.09 | SammyTheSnake | thanks for the time, guys :-) |
| 15:14.16 | erry | cheche, what now |
| 15:14.16 | RichiH | hmm |
| 15:14.23 | SammyTheSnake | fades into the distance... |
| 15:14.24 | cheche | where is sda1 mounted? |
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| 15:14.34 | erry | cheche, /mnt/sda2 |
| 15:14.36 | erry | cheche, /mnt/sda2* |
| 15:14.37 | erry | cheche, /mnt/sda1* |
| 15:14.55 | cheche | I am telling you the commands from my head... |
| 15:14.56 | foetus | lets work. |
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| 15:15.06 | RichiH | distress: you might want to limit yourself to debian as a topic and try to be nice to people |
| 15:15.09 | cheche | grub-install --root-directory=/mnt/sda1 |
| 15:15.18 | cheche | grub-install --root-directory=/mnt/sda1 sda1 |
| 15:15.21 | cheche | I think |
| 15:15.29 | distress | RichiH: stop whining |
| 15:15.54 | erry | install_device not specified |
| 15:16.11 | cheche | erry: grub-install --root-directory=/mnt/sda1 /dev/sda1 |
| 15:16.22 | erry | oh thats doingt something |
| 15:16.38 | erry | So do i have grub now? |
| 15:16.48 | cheche | yes... as far as I konw... |
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| 15:17.06 | RichiH | distress: ok, thanks for the advice |
| 15:17.07 | erry | ty so much |
| 15:17.56 | erry | cheche, grub says unknown filesystem :( |
| 15:18.04 | erry | and it enters some rescue mode |
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| 15:18.34 | jeff_hann | cheche, insmod maybe in the grub line? |
| 15:18.39 | TAD_ | pallgone: thanks for the cmd "aptitude ~dblah"; nifty stuff |
| 15:18.46 | tim_ | I am installing qemu/kvm and need to know whether device manager is active - how do I find about that |
| 15:18.48 | TAD_ | pallgone: what does ~d mean |
| 15:19.02 | TAD_ | pallgone: I mean the 'd' part of it |
| 15:19.05 | pallgone | TAD_: search the description |
| 15:19.15 | simonrvn | from live cd, do file -sk /dev/foo and see what's up with it |
| 15:19.16 | cheche | jeff_hann: maybe i do not know... erry problem was about resizing a partion |
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| 15:19.36 | cheche | and the computer shutdown. |
| 15:19.41 | erry | cheche, yeahm it overheated :p |
| 15:19.46 | themill | dpkg: tell TAD_ about aptitude search |
| 15:19.47 | jeff_hann | erry, what type of a FS do you have on / ? |
| 15:19.59 | jeff_hann | *of FS |
| 15:20.00 | erry | jeff_hann, i dont remember lemme check |
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| 15:20.09 | cheche | erry: do you have important stuff there? |
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| 15:20.20 | erry | cheche, yeah. |
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| 15:20.27 | simonrvn | ooh, non-bouncy themill |
| 15:20.31 | erry | cheche, well i could backup my files i guess cause tey're still there |
| 15:20.33 | tim_ | I need to know whether device manager is active |
| 15:20.48 | frostschutz | tim_: what's device manager? do you mean device mapper? |
| 15:20.49 | erry | jeff_hann, the FS is ext3 |
| 15:20.59 | TAD_ | themill: ta |
| 15:21.02 | cheche | erry: I would do that.. |
| 15:21.14 | erry | cheche, wait! |
| 15:21.15 | jeff_hann | erry, try adding a line above your kernel line |
| 15:21.17 | erry | cheche, i think its the wrong fs |
| 15:21.25 | erry | Ohoh |
| 15:21.28 | jeff_hann | saying 'insmod etx2' |
| 15:21.35 | simonrvn | ext2* |
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| 15:21.57 | tim_ | frostschutz, ok - device mapper |
| 15:22.05 | erry | jeff_hann, look leme tell u what i have |
| 15:22.09 | jeff_hann | simonrvn, thanks :) |
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| 15:22.17 | simonrvn | :) |
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| 15:22.48 | erry | jeff_hann, 80.40 gb of ext3, 34.03 gb of "unknown" 19.53 gb of unallocated 9.77gb of ntfs and 5.32 gb of swap |
| 15:22.54 | erry | jeff_hann, the unknown part is worrying me |
| 15:23.05 | jeff_hann | erry, aye, same here |
| 15:23.19 | jeff_hann | erry, how are you getting that information? |
| 15:23.28 | erry | jeff_hann, gparted |
| 15:23.34 | jeff_hann | ouch :| |
| 15:23.47 | erry | jeff_hann, when lsing /mnt/sda1 i get IO errors in some dirs |
| 15:23.51 | erry | like lib32 or opt |
| 15:24.18 | jeff_hann | erry, can you elaborate on the errors? |
| 15:25.01 | erry | jeff_hann, oshit, i think my important partition is the unknown one |
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| 15:25.08 | erry | yeaaap. |
| 15:25.12 | jeff_hann | erry, figured . |
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| 15:25.18 | jeff_hann | sorry.... |
| 15:25.22 | erry | Um |
| 15:25.24 | erry | x_x |
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| 15:26.02 | jeff_hann | erry, backup if you still can |
| 15:26.18 | erry | jeff_hann, how do i mount it |
| 15:26.30 | erry | jeff_hann, before i was mounting the wrong partition the one i wanted to get rid of in the firs tp0lace |
| 15:26.33 | erry | fist place* |
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| 15:27.13 | jeff_hann | erry, mount /dev/xxx /mnt/xxx |
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| 15:27.32 | erry | jeff_hann, it says to specify fs type and the fs type is unkown |
| 15:28.05 | simonrvn | file -sk /dev/foo |
| 15:28.10 | simonrvn | find out |
| 15:28.20 | jeff_hann | erry, i see; well, are ya sure it's supposed to be ext3? |
| 15:28.21 | erry | k one sec |
| 15:28.26 | erry | um |
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| 15:28.37 | erry | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:28.55 | simonrvn | hm, maybe the device file is fubar |
| 15:29.02 | simonrvn | check it (ls -l) |
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| 15:29.44 | erry | simonrvn, brw-rw---- 1 root disk 8, 4 2010-05-06 18:19 /dev/sda4 |
| 15:29.48 | erry | Agiofws, nice nickname. |
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| 15:30.22 | simonrvn | ok so it's not the file but the actual partition |
| 15:30.30 | erry | simonrvn, :S |
| 15:30.32 | erry | simonrvn, can i fix it |
| 15:30.40 | g00se | Pity grub2 doesn't play nice with Lenny - or is it the other way around? Does this look familiar to anyone? http://technojeeves.com/tech/boot.jpg |
| 15:30.51 | simonrvn | that sucks... |
| 15:31.06 | jeff_hann | erry, not as far as I know |
| 15:31.12 | erry | Oh, thank you |
| 15:31.13 | simonrvn | try a read-only fsck |
| 15:31.29 | erry | simonrvn, how? |
| 15:31.30 | simonrvn | see what happens |
| 15:31.36 | simonrvn | man fsck |
| 15:31.40 | simonrvn | man fsck.ext4 |
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| 15:31.48 | erry | man: command not found |
| 15:32.00 | erry | remember that im in the gparted live cd and it doesnt vgive me much stuff |
| 15:32.20 | jeff_hann | erry, I'll give you a link |
| 15:32.24 | jeff_hann | wait a sec. |
| 15:32.29 | simonrvn | oh, do you have a text browser? |
| 15:32.45 | erry | simonrvn, im sshing to my server thru another comp so i have a normal browser |
| 15:32.50 | jeff_hann | http://manual.cream.org/index.cgi/usr/share/man/man8/fsck.ext4.8 |
| 15:32.52 | simonrvn | ok |
| 15:32.58 | simonrvn | ^^^ :) |
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| 15:33.42 | pegasus-rider | erry, check your initrd |
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| 15:34.25 | erry | Bad magic number in super-block while trying to open /dev/sda4 |
| 15:34.47 | pegasus-rider | BTW, I'm sorry for a silly question but... How to convert the Third Extended FS into the Fourth under -stable? tune2fs(8) doesn't seem to give any hint |
| 15:35.01 | themill | dpkg: tell pegasus-rider about ext3->ext4 |
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| 15:36.04 | simonrvn | g00se: um, what's the problem exactly? the kernel is complaining about the sg (or sd) driver. |
| 15:36.13 | erry | hello? |
| 15:36.18 | jeff_hann | erry, yes |
| 15:36.19 | simonrvn | g00se: that's not grub at all. |
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| 15:36.23 | Agiofws | erry, thanks |
| 15:36.26 | erry | jeff_hann, it brought me bad magic number |
| 15:36.34 | erry | np holy light xD |
| 15:36.36 | pegasus-rider | Well, not the "stock" stable then, 2.6.26 still lurks here :-) |
| 15:36.39 | simonrvn | there's othr superblocks |
| 15:36.42 | pegasus-rider | What a nice bot BTW |
| 15:36.49 | simonrvn | er* |
| 15:36.52 | jeff_hann | erry, ? |
| 15:36.59 | TAD_ | pallgone: thanks 4 ur help |
| 15:37.07 | erry | jeff_hann, 10:34 < erry> Bad magic number in super-block while trying to open /dev/sda4 |
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| 15:37.31 | themill | pegasus-rider: 2.6.32 is available for stable; /msg dpkg bpo |
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| 15:37.50 | jeff_hann | erry, yes, and I said nothing because , in my limited knowledge, there's anything you can do |
| 15:38.00 | jeff_hann | but others might have idea |
| 15:38.05 | jeff_hann | *ideas |
| 15:38.19 | simonrvn | try the other superblocks |
| 15:38.23 | simonrvn | maybe |
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| 15:38.25 | erry | simonrvn, how |
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| 15:39.07 | simonrvn | -b option. dumpe2fs should tell you (if it works) |
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| 15:39.25 | simonrvn | -b option to fsck.ext4 |
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| 15:39.39 | erry | simonrvn, Couldn't find valid filesystem superblock. |
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| 15:40.06 | pegasus-rider | What a non-patriotic (with regard to Debian and GNU policy) sources.list entry example, even nonfree's included :-) |
| 15:40.24 | simonrvn | -o option, dunno how you'd find the alternate :( |
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| 15:40.46 | themill | pegasus-rider: /msg dpkg non-free sources |
| 15:40.50 | jeff_hann | erry, my point exactly |
| 15:41.05 | jeff_hann | erry, I'm googling now and can't seem to find any answers |
| 15:41.10 | simonrvn | brb, my cat needs stuff |
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| 15:41.52 | jeff_hann | erry, do you have any backups? |
| 15:42.01 | erry | jeff_hann, of some stuff, yeah |
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| 15:43.11 | jeff_hann | erry, tune2fs -l /dev/xxx |
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| 15:43.34 | jeff_hann | erry, paste that output on some pastebin |
| 15:43.51 | erry | jeff_hann, nevermind now |
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| 15:43.59 | jeff_hann | erry, why? |
| 15:44.09 | erry | jeff_hann, well i dont think it would do anything |
| 15:44.19 | jeff_hann | erry, it's for my info |
| 15:44.28 | erry | jeff_hann, oh |
| 15:44.37 | jeff_hann | don't give up, maybe we can work something out |
| 15:44.39 | erry | jeff_hann, well i rebooted but let me get back |
| 15:44.43 | jeff_hann | oki |
| 15:44.58 | jeff_hann | erry, brb [smoke] - 5 min. |
| 15:45.07 | erry | BAD habbit. |
| 15:45.14 | jeff_hann | :) |
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| 15:45.56 | erry | jeff_hann, btw how do i pastebin it... i dont think the grub thingy has internet |
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| 15:46.23 | erry | jeff_hann, well it doesnt do anything at all. Bad magic number. |
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| 15:48.11 | g00se | simonrvn: I see. It only happens when i try to boot something with grub2 |
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| 15:49.23 | jeff_hann | erry, pastebin.ca |
| 15:49.31 | iwkse | hi, do you know a way to remove what build-dep install? |
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| 15:49.51 | erry | jeff_hann, did you read the other thing i said? Bad magic number is all it says |
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| 15:50.45 | g00se | simonrvn: Could it be because i failed to pass the ro directive to the kernel? |
| 15:51.04 | jeff_hann | erry, that command is supposed to be run from the live cd |
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| 15:51.46 | erry | jeff_hann, yeah im running it from the live cd |
| 15:52.08 | jeff_hann | the tune2fs command? |
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| 15:52.57 | mcgreg | nsadmin: hello |
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| 15:54.49 | erry | gtg |
| 15:54.51 | erry | jeff_hann, yes |
| 15:54.53 | erry | bye |
| 15:55.00 | jeff_hann | bye |
| 15:55.10 | djura-san | o/ |
| 15:55.30 | simonrvn | erry: gl |
| 15:55.36 | DASPRiD | oh, look, the one-armed djura-san ! |
| 15:55.57 | djura-san | :) |
| 15:56.00 | simonrvn | one-armed bandit ;p |
| 15:56.34 | DASPRiD | pulls down djura-san's arm |
| 15:57.22 | djura-san | but but but why do people torture me? :( |
| 15:58.06 | simonrvn | g00se: no |
| 15:58.28 | simonrvn | g00se: has to do with a scsi driver. out of your control. |
| 15:59.27 | simonrvn | g00se: unless you update your kernel of course ;) |
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| 16:08.19 | Breaking_Pitt | I'm getting this make[1]: *** No rule to make target `clean'. Stop. but my /debian/rules has a clean entry some advice please |
| 16:08.22 | Argafal | i'm looking for a ad-hoc change of the font-size of one application (myeclipse). how could I do that? |
| 16:09.38 | pallgone | Argafal: usually .Xdefaults let's you do something like that |
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| 16:11.45 | disposable | on squeeze, when i issued 'update-rc.d -f util-vserver remove' all i got was 'update-rc.d: using dependency based boot sequencing'. does that mean it did it, or not? |
| 16:12.04 | simonrvn | !warnings |
| 16:12.04 | dpkg | Yerp, lots of software outputs warnings. Kernel module warnings on boot, mplayer warnings, GTK warnings, X11 warnings, build warnings, gpg warnings. Don't be scared - informative output is a GOOD THING. Consider yourself warned, and if the program works as expected, be happy. |
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| 16:13.48 | disposable | simonrvn: you are as informative as that message |
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| 16:15.00 | jeff_hann | disposable, why not use man update-rc.d ? |
| 16:15.08 | disposable | i couldn't find any reference to the service in rc?.d so i guess it did it. or am i mistaken? |
| 16:15.09 | jeff_hann | that is informative, I bet |
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| 16:16.04 | simonrvn | disposable: also means that insserv is active |
| 16:16.38 | simonrvn | disposable: yes, make sure you're using globbing because of the XX (XX being numbers) |
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| 16:17.21 | simonrvn | disposable: you're welcome, hand, hth |
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| 16:18.13 | mastro | can you think of any reason why I should be able to create a file in the directory X but not creating a subdirectory in it? |
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| 16:18.59 | simonrvn | check ownership and perms of parent dir |
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| 16:21.40 | mastro | simonrvn, I've already asked the client to give me that information and i'm waiting for it.. but i can't think of a permission/ownership combo that wouldn't allow me to create a directory but give me the right to create a file |
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| 16:22.05 | mastro | simonrvn, sorry s/client/customer/ |
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| 16:24.40 | g00se | simonrvn: So would that be a scsi driver in grub2, the kernel, or the initrd? |
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| 16:25.49 | mastro | simonrvn, permission of the upper directory: drwxrwxrwx |
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| 16:26.51 | simonrvn | g00se: grub2 has *nothing* to do with it. in this case initrd and the kernel are the same thing. initrd has its drivers built from a kernel. |
| 16:26.59 | SirDerigo | hi guys, squeeze mirrors are broken... php5-imagicks is missing |
| 16:27.02 | simonrvn | mastro: well, 'nough said ;) |
| 16:27.21 | simonrvn | SirDerigo: no php5-imagick is broken |
| 16:27.31 | mastro | simonrvn, ? still can't create directory there |
| 16:27.39 | chut | hi people, i have question |
| 16:27.46 | simonrvn | owner? |
| 16:27.48 | chut | should i use debian stable or testing? |
| 16:27.52 | SirDerigo | simonrvn, thats what i mean |
| 16:27.54 | simonrvn | chut: i have an answer |
| 16:28.01 | chut | lol |
| 16:28.04 | simonrvn | chut: stable |
| 16:28.04 | quetchua | anyone know how to do a register of every commands that my users do in my server??? |
| 16:28.07 | chut | oh |
| 16:28.08 | jhutchins_lt | chut: If you want to do work with your computer, use stable. |
| 16:28.17 | chut | yes |
| 16:28.17 | jhutchins_lt | chut: If you want to help find bugs, use testing. |
| 16:28.18 | mastro | simonrvn, is there really a difference? since permission are 777 the owner shouldn't matter |
| 16:28.21 | chut | ohh |
| 16:28.31 | chut | but i want scite 2.11 |
| 16:28.36 | chut | i can't install it on stable :( |
| 16:28.37 | simonrvn | no it shouldn't. |
| 16:28.45 | RussellForce36 | lenny's stable atm isn't it ? |
| 16:28.47 | simonrvn | very odd. |
| 16:28.56 | jhutchins_lt | RussellForce36: Yes. |
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| 16:29.32 | SirDerigo | chut, i used testing for a lot, and is just great, but when it decides to get broken (like today) is a very big problem |
| 16:29.35 | simonrvn | chut: is this a desktop machine? how experienced are at fixing package manager issues and reporting bugs? |
| 16:29.39 | RussellForce36 | my postfix server set up as a backup mx is accepting mail for the domain but not forwarding it on, just sitting in the mail queue any idea? |
| 16:29.47 | simonrvn | chut: are you* |
| 16:29.54 | chut | ohh |
| 16:30.16 | chut | i think i stick with stable then |
| 16:30.28 | SirDerigo | simonrvn, what happened with php5-imagick? |
| 16:30.32 | shiheir | hi, how do i view unpartitioned disk in lenny? |
| 16:30.32 | chut | lol, i got a way from arch because sometime the package broke |
| 16:30.38 | jeaxrev | 042f 0445043e04420435043b 0431044b 04320441044204400435044204380442044c0441044f 0441 04320430043c0438 041c0443044004300442 04380437 042204430440044604380438 |
| 16:30.47 | chut | i thought debian testing is pretty much stable |
| 16:30.48 | chut | :D |
| 16:31.09 | SirDerigo | chut, debian testing is pretty much stable, but sometimes you get issues.... |
| 16:31.15 | jelly | jeaxrev: that's not English? |
| 16:31.17 | chut | ohh |
| 16:31.35 | chut | i got it, thanks guys! :) |
| 16:31.44 | SirDerigo | jelly, that seems to be more like hex or ASM |
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| 16:32.11 | jelly | could be an evil .tr h@x0r |
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| 16:33.48 | simonrvn | SirDerigo: it's temporary, it'll be back soon. |
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| 16:35.00 | SirDerigo | simonrvn, i was freaking out, i guess my test lab needs to be moved to the weekend |
| 16:35.15 | g00se | simonrvn: I'm wondering then why this only happens when i try to boot directly with grub2, instead of letting the lenny-installed grub (1) boot? |
| 16:35.20 | simonrvn | !why is php5-imagick not in testing |
| 16:35.20 | dpkg | php5-imagick is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=php5-imagick |
| 16:35.25 | simonrvn | SirDerigo: ^^^ |
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| 16:35.40 | simonrvn | g00se: *shrug* |
| 16:35.49 | SirDerigo | simonrvn, that bot is amazing.... i want one of those |
| 16:35.49 | SirDerigo | xD |
| 16:35.59 | simonrvn | g00se: maybe it's hidden, maybe you're blind :P |
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| 16:36.11 | |tpocra| | I backed up a Debian guest system, but excluded /dev/ and /sys and /proc from the backups |
| 16:36.29 | |tpocra| | Now that I have restored the guest system, I mkdir-ed those 3 directories so they are empty |
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| 16:36.56 | |tpocra| | But I think I need to do more, as when I try and boot it, init segfaults and I think via Googling it has to do with not finding the serial console, perhaps? |
| 16:37.11 | |tpocra| | [ 2.678790] init[1]: segfault at 0 ip 0 sp 7fff19c45b78 error 14 in init[400000+9000] |
| 16:37.11 | |tpocra| | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:37.11 | raphi_ | tpocra, did you create the fstab entries? |
| 16:37.21 | |tpocra| | raphi_: For what? |
| 16:37.33 | g00se | simonrvn: It can't be the same if it's hidden. In the one case (grub2) it drops to a shell and in the other it works OK |
| 16:37.38 | simonrvn | /proc for one |
| 16:37.43 | |tpocra| | raphi_: I have this: |
| 16:37.45 | |tpocra| | proc /proc proc rw,nodev,nosuid,noexec 0 0 |
| 16:38.19 | simonrvn | g00se: debian version? |
| 16:39.53 | g00se | simonrvn: It can't be the same if it's hidden. Lenny |
| 16:40.20 | raphi_ | tpocra: are you using a plain-debian kernel? |
| 16:40.32 | simonrvn | g00se: i was kidding :) |
| 16:41.30 | quetchua | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:41.34 | g00se | simonrvn: I'm going to try later with the exact same parameters to the kernel in grub2 as the successful grub1 uses |
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| 16:42.27 | mastro | I'm experiencing something a little strange here. Directory X with permission dwrxwrxwrx (aka 777) owner userA, group users. I logged in with userB and entered directory X. I can create files just fine but I receive permission denied if I try to create a directory, can you think of a reason why this could happen? |
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| 16:42.41 | mastro | (i re-asked with better explanation) |
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| 16:48.04 | simonrvn | g00se: yes. i assumed you were ;) |
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| 16:50.06 | SirDerigo | g00se, why dont you try os-prober |
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| 16:52.59 | eshat | I am looking for a website monitoring app, that informs me, if there are changes, is there a KDE/QT APP ? |
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| 16:56.23 | cheche | eshat, please expand your info |
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| 17:03.41 | C-Otto | hi there |
| 17:03.45 | jimcooncat | monit can do that (:-P) |
| 17:04.31 | C-Otto | i have a quite new server running and can't figure out why xforwarding does not work. $DISPLAY is not set, ssh -vvv does not give clues, X11Forwarding yes exists in sshd_config, ... - clues? |
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| 17:05.06 | simonrvn | need to use -X option |
| 17:05.12 | jimcooncat | C-Otto: obvious question: are you connecting with ssh -X or ssh -Y? |
| 17:05.20 | C-Otto | simonrvn, jimcooncat: yes |
| 17:05.27 | C-Otto | it works with all other machines, i tried several clients |
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| 17:06.01 | themill | C-Otto: do you have xauth installed on the remote machine? |
| 17:06.09 | simonrvn | xauth installed on remote? |
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| 17:06.14 | simonrvn | heh |
| 17:06.14 | C-Otto | no, i will now |
| 17:06.15 | eviltoaster | Why can i use cd and echo in chroot where only /bin/bash is in /bin folder? |
| 17:06.21 | simonrvn | themill: :) |
| 17:06.30 | C-Otto | does not help |
| 17:06.44 | C-Otto | well, it was installied, i reinstalled |
| 17:06.56 | themill | eviltoaster: they're builtins. "type -a cd" etc |
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| 17:07.01 | g00se | simonrvn: Not quite ;) - i missed ro |
| 17:07.21 | C-Otto | jimcooncat, simonrvn, themill: further ideas? |
| 17:07.28 | simonrvn | ro option shouldn't matter much, it's a safety feature |
| 17:07.49 | g00se | SirDerigo: Hmm. Not sure why you suggest that..? |
| 17:08.12 | themill | C-Otto: you don't have a .profile that's clobbering DISPLAY do you? |
| 17:08.17 | jimcooncat | C-Otto: I have a fuzzy memory about having to delete some hidden file ... |
| 17:08.24 | C-Otto | themill: no, the problem persists with a fresh user |
| 17:08.41 | themill | !sshx |
| 17:08.42 | dpkg | You can run X11 apps securely over an ssh connection without <xhost> nor X TCP support. Enable X11Forwarding _on the remote server_ (/etc/ssh/sshd_config) and install xauth (lenny) or xbase-clients (etch) on both the client and the server. Then "ssh -X" from the client and run X apps on the remote machine. See also <root x> and <cygwin sshx>. |
| 17:08.51 | eviltoaster | themill, i thought so too. thanks |
| 17:09.02 | C-Otto | themill: hm, did that. |
| 17:09.10 | themill | C-Otto: you restarted sshd after fiddling with settings? |
| 17:09.22 | themill | C-Otto: is $DISPLAY set in the terminal you're sshing from? |
| 17:09.35 | eviltoaster | themill, Is there a list or something i can see all builtin commands? |
| 17:09.40 | C-Otto | themill: yes |
| 17:09.45 | themill | eviltoaster: man bash. |
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| 17:10.02 | themill | eviltoaster: (or just "help" if you want) |
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| 17:11.04 | C-Otto | brb |
| 17:12.25 | eviltoaster | themill, if i recompile bash does help show all commands i can use then? or is it default value? :) |
| 17:14.14 | jimcooncat | C-Otto: try the following and let us know: |
| 17:14.19 | jimcooncat | echo $DISPLAY |
| 17:14.26 | jimcooncat | ssh -X remote |
| 17:14.31 | jimcooncat | echo $DISPLAY |
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| 17:15.51 | eviltoaster | themill, i just wondering if bash is secure enough when you only copy it over and chroot it? |
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| 17:18.14 | jordanm | eviltoaster: bash alone only contains the command in the "BUILTIN" section of the manpage |
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| 17:18.42 | Kuifje111 | hello all. my linux box keeps crashing at a certain point. I have a link to the /var/log/messages file which I think shows where things went wrong. Thing is that I am not really sure what the problem is. Could anyone help me analyze the messages file? http://sheevaplug.pastebin.com/ED69tFwX |
| 17:18.56 | jordanm | eviltoaster: your last question doesn't make much sense to me, although I missed the start of the conversation |
| 17:20.06 | jordanm | Kuifje111: is that debian or emdebian? |
| 17:20.14 | C-Otto | jimcooncat: first ":0.0", then "" |
| 17:20.20 | Kuifje111 | jordanm: it's ubuntu. |
| 17:20.31 | jordanm | !ubuntu |
| 17:20.31 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 17:20.37 | jordanm | Kuifje111: you are in the wrong channl |
| 17:20.49 | Kuifje111 | yeah, but they dont respond in #ubuntu. |
| 17:20.54 | jimcooncat | C-Otto: yeah, it should be something like localhost:10.0 |
| 17:20.54 | jordanm | !they don't know |
| 17:20.54 | dpkg | Just because the people in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 17:20.59 | Kuifje111 | I thought that maybe you could help me. |
| 17:21.11 | Kuifje111 | ok, I am sorry. |
| 17:21.17 | jordanm | Kuifje111: only if you install debian will #debian help |
| 17:21.25 | Kuifje111 | ok. |
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| 17:21.55 | C-Otto | jimcooncat: i know that |
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| 17:22.09 | jordanm | Kuifje111: perhaps find a channel for sheevaplugs |
| 17:22.28 | Kuifje111 | yeah, found it, but no one responds in there at the moment. |
| 17:22.38 | C-Otto | Kuifje111: that's not how it works |
| 17:23.06 | Kuifje111 | yes, I know. I made a mistake by asking my question here. |
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| 17:26.07 | joeb | Is there a way to set the DISPLAY variable so that every application uses the one I set? |
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| 17:26.53 | jimcooncat | C-Otto: so you saw when you ran with -v "x11_get_proto: /usr/bin/X11/xauth list :0.0 2>/dev/null" |
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| 17:28.38 | jeff_hann | joeb, edit /etc/profile |
| 17:28.50 | jeff_hann | and export $DISPLAY=value |
| 17:29.22 | joeb | Will this take effect immediately? |
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| 17:30.01 | joeb | Or will I have to restart X11? |
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| 17:34.39 | C-Otto | problem solved: "lo" was not up (not my fault) |
| 17:34.50 | C-Otto | thanks for your time! |
| 17:34.52 | C-Otto | debian rocks :D |
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| 17:35.10 | C-Otto | btw, i'm the office mate of HE, he couldn't help, either :D |
| 17:35.21 | jimcooncat | C-Otto: I would have spent all day trying to find that :-) |
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| 17:35.38 | C-Otto | me to |
| 17:35.39 | C-Otto | o |
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| 17:35.43 | C-Otto | a collegue found it |
| 17:36.04 | SirDerigo | hi guys, have any of you set up a boot server that uses a ISO image to get the files? |
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| 17:37.20 | jordanm | SirDerigo: for the installation files or for the kernel and initrd? |
| 17:37.32 | SirDerigo | if possible both jordanm |
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| 17:38.09 | jordanm | SirDerigo: I highly doubt the later is possible. for the installation files you can just mount the ISO and host it I believe |
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| 17:45.41 | Argafal | Is there something for text-to-speech which has acceptable quality? I tested festival and was very disappointed. Webpages like this one show me, that there must be better stuff: http://text-to-speech.imtranslator.net/speech.asp |
| 17:46.47 | frostschutz | depends on what is acceptable to you |
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| 17:48.07 | Argafal | frostschutz: My main critics is that festival tends to be very robotic and cold, without proper pauses. if you chceck the page out i've given the link to, their quality is really good (but the page sucks) |
| 17:48.46 | Argafal | well, if there is something better than festival i'd be happy to know. or probably someone figured a good set of parameters for festival? |
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| 17:56.30 | frostschutz | Argafal: I don't think there are any better free ones... |
| 17:57.00 | Argafal | frostschutz: too bad. |
| 17:57.27 | Argafal | i'm wondering, besides the license question, if it would be possible to run the "say" command from mac (which is freebsd, right)? |
| 17:58.03 | krisfremen | hmm, this is weird, after i did my two monitor setup with xrandr, i seem to have lost full screen capability in some apps |
| 17:58.12 | krisfremen | like youtube videos not going fullscreen |
| 17:58.19 | krisfremen | and image viewers only taking up half the screen |
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| 18:00.06 | krisfremen | anyone knows what might be causing this problem?? |
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| 18:00.59 | Computer | why does ssh depend on x11 |
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| 18:02.27 | krisfremen | Computer: x11 forwarding? |
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| 18:03.53 | djura-san | im off. bais |
| 18:04.03 | pallgone | Computer: does it? |
| 18:04.08 | Anj0L3G4L | how install module mcs7830 in debian ? |
| 18:04.09 | iwkse | Computer: it depends only on xauth |
| 18:04.15 | Anj0L3G4L | I dont know |
| 18:04.20 | Anj0L3G4L | please a help |
| 18:05.08 | jordanm | Anj0L3G4L: what is it? |
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| 18:10.32 | twantakur | hello i m using debian 5 lenny .... is there php-fpm package? |
| 18:10.59 | wols_ | !tell twantakur about search |
| 18:11.11 | wols_ | jordanm: a ubs to ethernet chip most probably |
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| 18:11.40 | braindump | I have an a nic alias (eth0:1) that I wish to to remove but ifdown tells me it's not configured. How do I simply remove this interface please? |
| 18:12.08 | braindump | I should note that this interface has no listing in /etc/network/interfaces, and that I have already done a networking restart |
| 18:12.15 | twantakur | apt-cache search php-fpm |
| 18:13.34 | Anj0L3G4L | jordanm driver usb ethernet |
| 18:13.54 | Anj0L3G4L | jordanm USB a Ethernet |
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| 18:14.25 | Anj0L3G4L | jordanm http://www.moschip.com/mcs7830.php |
| 18:14.29 | raphi_ | Anj0L3G4L, what does lsusb tel you? |
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| 18:14.43 | Anj0L3G4L | ns1:~# lsusb |
| 18:14.43 | Anj0L3G4L | Bus 005 Device 008: ID 9710:7830 MosChip Semiconductor MCS7830 Ethernet |
| 18:14.46 | Bac0n | braindump: i think you need it listed in interfaces to take it down |
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| 18:15.00 | braindump | ah well that would make sense.... |
| 18:15.14 | braindump | so just give it an 'auto' with no settings? |
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| 18:15.45 | Bac0n | i think you have all settings |
| 18:15.57 | Bac0n | need all... |
| 18:15.58 | Anj0L3G4L | raphi_ try use ndiswrapper |
| 18:16.00 | raphi_ | Anj0L3G4L, did you try modprobe mcs7830? |
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| 18:16.19 | raphi_ | why ndiswrapper? |
| 18:16.22 | Anj0L3G4L | raphi_ ns1:~# modprobe mcs7830 |
| 18:16.22 | Anj0L3G4L | FATAL: Module mcs7830 not found. |
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| 18:16.28 | braindump | Bac0n: ok so no, it doesn't work with just "auto eth0:1" in the interfaces file |
| 18:16.33 | Anj0L3G4L | raphi_ only test |
| 18:16.44 | braindump | I don't want to give it any settings bc I just want to REMOVE it |
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| 18:17.13 | Anj0L3G4L | raphi_ make[2]: ** [/root/Linux_7830_V1.8/mcs7830.o] Erro 1 |
| 18:17.14 | Anj0L3G4L | make[1]: ** [_module_/root/Linux_7830_V1.8] Erro 2 |
| 18:17.14 | Anj0L3G4L | make[1]: Saindo do diretório `/usr/src/linux-2.6.26-2-amd64' |
| 18:17.57 | raphi_ | you're building your own kernel? stock kernel would have it included as a module.. |
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| 18:18.16 | wols_ | Anj0L3G4L: uname -a |
| 18:18.19 | Bac0n | but to remove it you need the settings you had before to bring it down .... you can remove those after you have bring alias down |
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| 18:19.10 | braindump | Bac0n: that was the correct answer and thank you very much |
| 18:19.13 | Anj0L3G4L | raphi_ ns1:~/Linux_7830_V1.8# modprobe -l |grep mcs |
| 18:19.21 | Bac0n | :)= |
| 18:19.34 | Anj0L3G4L | raphi_ /lib/modules/2.6.26-2-amd64/kernel/drivers/net/irda/mcs7780.ko |
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| 18:21.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... |
| 18:21.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | what wols_ said |
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| 18:21.29 | Anj0L3G4L | wols_ Linux ns1 2.6.26-2-amd64 #1 SMP Tue Mar 9 22:29:32 UTC 2010 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
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| 18:23.34 | raphi_ | Anj0L3G4L, find /lib/modules/2.6.26-2-amd64/ -name "mcs*" |
| 18:24.07 | Anj0L3G4L | raphi_ /lib/modules/2.6.26-2-amd64/kernel/drivers/net/irda/mcs7780.ko |
| 18:24.14 | wols_ | Anj0L3G4L: you already have the module then |
| 18:24.14 | Anj0L3G4L | only this |
| 18:24.23 | Anj0L3G4L | notting |
| 18:24.38 | wols_ | /lib/modules/2.6.26-2-amd64/kernel/drivers/net/usb/mcs7830.ko linux-image-2.6.26-2-amd64 [i386, amd64] |
| 18:24.39 | Anj0L3G4L | need of module mcs7830 |
| 18:24.49 | wols_ | Anj0L3G4L: debian already has it |
| 18:25.08 | Anj0L3G4L | wols_ not have |
| 18:25.22 | Anj0L3G4L | mcs7780.ko different mcs7830 |
| 18:25.46 | raphi_ | Anj0L3G4L, yes, debian has it, can confirm. But you're building your own kernel and can't find it in there? |
| 18:25.50 | wols_ | Anj0L3G4L: reinstall your kernel |
| 18:25.57 | Anj0L3G4L | wols_ In my debian lenny amd 64 only have mcs7780 |
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| 18:26.36 | Anj0L3G4L | wols_ Ok, but not have solution for this ? |
| 18:26.36 | wols_ | Anj0L3G4L: debian kernel packages for amd64 2.6.26-2 have it in the path I told you above. install that kernel and you have it too |
| 18:26.51 | wols_ | Anj0L3G4L: dpkg -L linux-image-2.6.26-2-amd64 |grep 7830 |
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| 18:27.00 | Kuifje111 | hello all. in the past I have used squeeze's repositories on lenny, but now I am wondering if this can't cause any issues. Can I use squeeze's repositories on lenny without any worries, or is it not recommended? |
| 18:27.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | ah, we got the right factoid for you |
| 18:27.40 | raphi_ | Anj0L3G4L, grep -i mcs7830 /boot/config-2.6.26-2-amd64 |
| 18:27.46 | wols_ | Kuifje111: you broke your debian. either run stable or testing, never a mix |
| 18:27.47 | Anj0L3G4L | wols_ ns1:~# dpkg -L linux-image-2.6.26-2-amd64 |grep 7830 |
| 18:28.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | !bobbitt |
| 18:28.03 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorena_Bobbitt]? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody (...sarge, etch), you get the same result. Same goes for Sarge, Etch, Lenny, and any other Debian system, "Debian based distro", or the fire that is <rpm>, <alien>, etc. |
| 18:28.23 | Anj0L3G4L | wols_ modprobe /lib/modules/2.6.26-2-amd64/kernel/drivers/net/usb/mcs7830.ko |
| 18:28.29 | macrobat | Kuifje111: you might already be using squeeze unknowingly :) |
| 18:28.33 | Anj0L3G4L | wols_ FATAL: Module /lib/modules/2.6.26_2_amd64/kernel/drivers/net/usb/mcs7830.ko not found. |
| 18:28.59 | wols_ | Anj0L3G4L: reinstall the debian kernel. it has that module by default. your constant asking won't change that |
| 18:29.01 | Anj0L3G4L | raphi_ ns1:~# grep -i mcs7830 /boot/config-2.6.26-2-amd64 |
| 18:29.02 | Anj0L3G4L | CONFIG_USB_NET_MCS7830=m |
| 18:29.21 | Kuifje111 | wols_: I just wanted to get one application from squeeze repositories, because squeeze had a newer version. I just editted the sources.list and then fetched the app from squeeze's repositories. worked fine. I am just asking if it will cause any problems in the long term if I keep doing it? |
| 18:29.44 | raphi_ | Anj0L3G4L, as wols_ mentioned, seems like you're missing this module for some reason.. reinstall the kernel should help.. |
| 18:29.51 | wols_ | Kuifje111: it most likely already has caused problems. and yes it WILL create problems in the future |
| 18:29.51 | Anj0L3G4L | wols_ ok |
| 18:29.59 | Kuifje111 | ok, thanks! |
| 18:30.06 | Kuifje111 | never knew this. |
| 18:30.15 | wols_ | !tell Kuifje111 about backports |
| 18:30.20 | jordanm | !tell Kuifje111 about sns |
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| 18:31.35 | Kuifje111 | one last question, is it save running squeeze instead of lenny? |
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| 18:33.31 | Anj0L3G4L | wols_ There is no other solution besides compiling kernel / |
| 18:33.32 | Anj0L3G4L | ? |
| 18:33.38 | Anj0L3G4L | raphi_ There is no other solution besides compiling kernel ? |
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| 18:34.39 | raphi_ | Anj0L3G4L, only reinstall the kernel, not recompiling |
| 18:35.19 | raphi_ | Anj0L3G4L, sth like apt-get --reinstall install linux-image-blabla |
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| 18:37.01 | newz2000 | Hi, I did an update and my grub menu got messed up, now need to fix my server that is in a remote data center where someone will follow clear instructions I give them |
| 18:37.17 | newz2000 | lines were created that say root41588225-e07f-43e5-89d1-5c38d89e194b |
| 18:37.24 | newz2000 | should be uuid41588225-e07f-43e5-89d1-5c38d89e194b |
| 18:37.43 | newz2000 | I know how to make tempoary changes to grub from the boot menu but can't find one that works for this prob |
| 18:37.59 | newz2000 | Any grub gurus able to help? |
| 18:38.30 | newz2000 | (I've reproduced this problem on a local vm where I'm testing… using lenny) |
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| 18:39.54 | raphi_ | newz2000, can't you ask them to boot a live-linux? might be easier... |
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| 18:40.15 | newz2000 | raphi_: maybe, but I don't think my server has a cdrom drive |
| 18:40.25 | newz2000 | :-( |
| 18:40.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | and if you make an image for a bootable usb stick? |
| 18:41.10 | raphi_ | newz2000: had mine once at hetzner, and they provided me a 'rescue shell' which was booting through pxe.. |
| 18:41.20 | Guthur | What temporary changes have you tried making? |
| 18:41.28 | Guthur | newz2000, ^ |
| 18:41.35 | frostschutz | newz2000: how bout using good old root=/dev/sda1 instead of complicated uuid ;) |
| 18:41.43 | newz2000 | Guthur: I edited the root line and changed it to uuid and it didn't work |
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| 18:41.54 | newz2000 | frostschutz: let me try that |
| 18:41.56 | Guthur | you may need to change the kernel line as well |
| 18:42.03 | newz2000 | to make matters hard I'm using lvm |
| 18:42.12 | frostschutz | newz2000: root on lvm? |
| 18:42.25 | newz2000 | no, there's a normal boot partition |
| 18:42.34 | newz2000 | well, root yes, but boot no |
| 18:42.39 | Guthur | From my menu that uses uuid on the kernel line I have root=UUID=xxxxxx-xxx... |
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| 18:42.57 | Guthur | As well as a uuid line |
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| 18:43.19 | frostschutz | newz2000: so you depend on initramfs, fixing that via remote hands... good luck. my server, I get a rescue system and, if need be, even a remote console that lets me go into the bios and stuff |
| 18:43.32 | newz2000 | :-( |
| 18:43.35 | DustyDingo | hm, does anyone know, how i configure flash in firefox? |
| 18:43.38 | newz2000 | Here's an example of the broken line http://pastebin.com/qThFpqJy |
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| 18:43.53 | DustyDingo | i knew that there was some special url, which was automically showing a config gui |
| 18:43.58 | DustyDingo | but i can't find anything like that |
| 18:44.04 | DustyDingo | not the simple dialog |
| 18:44.06 | frostschutz | newz2000: what's that supposed to be, should be root (hd0,0) no? |
| 18:44.18 | DustyDingo | which you can get from the menu of any flash window |
| 18:44.28 | frostschutz | newz2000: I don't know grub2 though :) |
| 18:44.37 | newz2000 | this is actually grub 1 |
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| 18:44.48 | newz2000 | the guys in #grub refused tot alk to me about it. :-) |
| 18:44.55 | frostschutz | newz2000: then that should not be an uuid there, but (hd0,0) if the boot partition is the first partition |
| 18:45.36 | newz2000 | actually, it works if the grub menu.lst has uuid 4… instead of root 4… on the line before kernel ... |
| 18:46.28 | newz2000 | when I try root (hd0,0) I get Error 17 cannot mount selected partition |
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| 18:46.53 | newz2000 | I think that the drive is hda and the partition is the first logical partition in an extended partition |
| 18:47.00 | newz2000 | would that make it /dev/hda5 ? |
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| 18:47.22 | frostschutz | newz2000: then point it to the correct partition... |
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| 18:53.18 | guzu | hello all |
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| 18:53.31 | shiheir | hi all, apt-get upgrade is the way to update my system? or is it apt-get update? |
| 18:53.31 | guzu | how do i configure sources in testing? |
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| 18:55.00 | guzu | shiheir, update updates the database, upgrade upgrades the packages |
| 18:55.23 | jeff_hann | guzu, /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 18:55.50 | shiheir | so, i need to run both to make sure that my system is up-to-date: apt-get update -y && apt-get upgrade -y. correct? |
| 18:56.02 | jeff_hann | shiheir, yes |
| 18:56.12 | jhutchins_lt | shiheir: Which release to which? |
| 18:56.14 | jeff_hann | shiheir, maybe you want to look at aptitude |
| 18:56.26 | guzu | jeff_hann, any setup program? like the one used during install? |
| 18:56.39 | jeff_hann | guzu, synaptic maybe |
| 18:56.42 | guzu | jeff_hann, because i have only the cdrom line |
| 18:56.46 | shiheir | jhutchins, im using lenny |
| 18:56.55 | guzu | jeff_hann, i have only base installed |
| 18:57.34 | aiux | guzu, /msg dpkg sources |
| 18:58.05 | jhutchins_lt | shiheir: There's no stable upgrade available, there's only the release for locating bugs in squeeze. |
| 18:58.26 | guzu | aiux, thank you |
| 18:58.47 | jhutchins_lt | shiheir: If you're not sure about the differences between update and upgrade, you're probably not going to have a good time testing for bugs. |
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| 19:01.42 | guzu | aiux, it worked! |
| 19:01.51 | aiux | cool |
| 19:02.14 | tuvwx | virtualbox.org is down! |
| 19:02.56 | aiux | guzu, e bine cornele ! ;) |
| 19:03.18 | SerajewelKS | tuvwx: (1) no, it's not. (2) if it was, you should have told #vbox. |
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| 19:04.11 | pallgone | (3) who cares |
| 19:04.17 | SerajewelKS | that too |
| 19:04.45 | Bushmills | panic, the internet just broke :) |
| 19:04.47 | jeff_hann | aiux, nu fi naspa :P |
| 19:05.15 | jimcooncat | down jones had a crash too |
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| 19:09.52 | pallgone | hmm... I've just tried to install debian/kfreebsd but the installer seems to be a bit buggy |
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| 19:11.30 | Anj0L3G4L | raphi_ thanks friend I will do this |
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| 19:17.56 | VectorX | hi, i am connecting to a remote server via vnc, but the clipboard data isnt transfering in either direction, local machine is on vista, how can i configure the remote server to enable the clipboard, its connecting to kde |
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| 19:19.35 | isfranc | VectorX: use rdesktop |
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| 19:20.31 | SerajewelKS | VectorX: remote server running linux? |
| 19:20.32 | jimcooncat | VectorX: check the vnc options on the client (many vnc's use the F8 key) |
| 19:20.57 | SerajewelKS | VectorX: if you are not running the "vncconfig" program in the X session, clipboard transfer won't work. (i've been bitten by this so many times.) |
| 19:21.29 | aiux | guzu, jeff_hann #debian-ro |
| 19:21.48 | VectorX | client looks fine, i cant even get file transfer to work |
| 19:22.04 | SerajewelKS | VectorX: run vncconfig on the other side |
| 19:22.17 | guzu | aiux, roger |
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| 19:22.34 | VectorX | SerajewelKS it have all 3 boxes ticked |
| 19:22.51 | VectorX | i dont get it, i tried like 5 vnc programs and all are same |
| 19:23.12 | SerajewelKS | VectorX: was vncconfig running when you tried to paste, or did you just start it? |
| 19:23.17 | VectorX | hmm, and after running that command now it works |
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| 19:23.25 | VectorX | so what was the deal ? |
| 19:23.31 | SerajewelKS | VectorX: nod. that is exactly what i said above: "if you are not running the "vncconfig" program in the X session, clipboard transfer won't work." |
| 19:23.56 | VectorX | ok, so i have to manually run this ? |
| 19:24.09 | SerajewelKS | VectorX: not "run vncconfig, check the boxes and then close it" -- it must be running *all the time* |
| 19:24.22 | VectorX | ok how about file transfer |
| 19:24.25 | SerajewelKS | VectorX: or put it in your X startup scripts |
| 19:24.33 | VectorX | cant send or receive anything |
| 19:24.37 | SerajewelKS | VectorX: VNC is not a file transfer protocol |
| 19:24.55 | VectorX | then why does the client app show the options ? |
| 19:25.11 | jimcooncat | VectorX: what client are you using? |
| 19:25.15 | SerajewelKS | probably because the client app is for another specific server that supports that feature as some kind of third-party extension |
| 19:25.23 | jordanm | VectorX: some vnc clients and server implement features that are not part of the VNC protocol |
| 19:25.24 | VectorX | tight/ultra/real, trying all same result |
| 19:25.24 | SerajewelKS | file transfer is not part of the de facto VNC standard |
| 19:25.34 | SerajewelKS | use scp |
| 19:25.44 | SerajewelKS | scp has the benefit of actually being secure too |
| 19:25.48 | radex | welcome |
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| 19:25.59 | VectorX | i installed apache, and put the files there so i can copy |
| 19:26.09 | VectorX | its the most convenient way i found |
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| 19:26.11 | VectorX | heh |
| 19:26.14 | rzeka | Whet's the difference between AMD Phenom II x2 and same but Black Edition? |
| 19:26.44 | VectorX | you know |
| 19:26.52 | SerajewelKS | VectorX: scp is plenty convenient... if you are using a modern DE on the other end like GNOME, you could theoretically use its sftp:// protocol to drag-and-drop |
| 19:27.08 | SerajewelKS | protocol handler* |
| 19:27.17 | jimcooncat | likes sshfs |
| 19:27.33 | SerajewelKS | nod, or that. there are plenty of options that are all better than a VNC hack or apache |
| 19:27.55 | VectorX | ok ill check it out, thanks for fixing the clipboard for me |
| 19:28.00 | SerajewelKS | np |
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| 19:29.19 | Anj0L3G4L | raphi_ wols_ its ok now, only use apt-get --reinstall install linux-image |
| 19:29.29 | VectorX | rzeka sorry was just kidding, black means it has a unlocked clock so you can overclock it easily |
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| 19:30.06 | pwntang | hi everyone |
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| 19:31.50 | pwntang | I have a problem with some client machines that authenticate using NIS. The problem I have is with NIS users using the local sound card. I have configured pam_group.so to add users to the audio group when they login (which is working), but the NIS user cannot use the sound card. Local users can. |
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| 19:32.13 | pwntang | Has anyone else seen this kind of problem? Is having a user in the audio group enough for them to use the local sound hardware? |
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| 19:36.09 | shad0w1e | hey.. anyone know how I can get pcntl support in php using apt-get ? |
| 19:36.22 | shad0w1e | i.e. I dont want to do a custom compile of PHP |
| 19:37.50 | tuvwx | i want to install debian on a machine with 4 disks, and use raid10. what's the partition layout i should use? off raid /boot? |
| 19:38.03 | tuvwx | doesn't modern grub support booting off raid10? |
| 19:38.14 | shad0w1e | depends if youre using software raid or not |
| 19:38.21 | tuvwx | yup |
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| 19:38.27 | tuvwx | linux raid |
| 19:38.32 | shad0w1e | ooh :P |
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| 19:38.51 | shad0w1e | yea so im not an expert on that but then the /boot needs to be on a standard (non striped ) partition |
| 19:38.59 | SerajewelKS | tuvwx: generally you have your /boot RAID1 across all the disks of the array |
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| 19:39.12 | shad0w1e | SerajewelKS, yep that would work |
| 19:39.13 | SerajewelKS | tuvwx: then you can boot from any disk if something goes bad |
| 19:39.44 | tuvwx | SerajewelKS: so that would be another array completely independent of the raid10 array? |
| 19:39.51 | SerajewelKS | tuvwx: right |
| 19:40.04 | tuvwx | how much space is adequate for /boot? |
| 19:40.11 | SerajewelKS | tuvwx: you have two partitions on each device -- the first is for the /boot RAID1 and the rest is for your RAID10 |
| 19:40.11 | jeff_hann | rzeka, AMD's page can help a lot in comparing CPU's |
| 19:40.36 | SerajewelKS | tuvwx: my /boot is 24MB. i'd say to be safe 128-512MB should be plenty |
| 19:40.37 | tuvwx | SerajewelKS: got it |
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| 19:41.05 | SerajewelKS | tuvwx: and that assumes you are either going to install a lot of kernels, or later kernel releases are going to explode in size :) |
| 19:41.22 | SerajewelKS | tuvwx: but it's better than having to resize a RAID10 |
| 19:41.31 | shad0w1e | anyway disks are big these days.. |
| 19:41.35 | SerajewelKS | ya |
| 19:41.41 | SerajewelKS | no one is going to miss half a gig |
| 19:41.54 | tuvwx | SerajewelKS: how about a third partition for swap? |
| 19:42.01 | shad0w1e | alternatively you can just put /boot on another drive |
| 19:42.34 | shad0w1e | tuvwx, i think youre confusing raid array, and partition |
| 19:42.51 | shad0w1e | you create partitions within the raid array |
| 19:42.56 | bluegene | is it possible to use courier userauthdb for postfix authentication? |
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| 19:43.24 | SerajewelKS | tuvwx: you could have your first partition on the physical disk be 2GB for RAID1 |
| 19:43.31 | SerajewelKS | tuvwx: then you partition the RAID1 into /boot and swap |
| 19:43.41 | SerajewelKS | tuvwx: so, say, 512MB for /boot and 1.5GB for swap |
| 19:43.45 | tuvwx | shad0w1e: no. 4 disks. each 2 partitions: 1 for /boot and one for the raid10 array. i'm talking about using a third partition for swap |
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| 19:44.19 | tuvwx | SerajewelKS: but that would get me a swap on raid1. why would i want that? |
| 19:44.35 | erry | I dont think my partition is recoverable... I tried a recovery tool but to no avail |
| 19:44.37 | SerajewelKS | tuvwx: well you could put the swap space in the RAID10 area too |
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| 19:44.46 | SerajewelKS | tuvwx: then you'd get striped swap, which would be faster |
| 19:44.51 | justin | tuvwx: uh, swap is kind of important. |
| 19:45.14 | SerajewelKS | tuvwx: you don't want swap on one disk, because if that disk dies then your system will probably panic |
| 19:45.20 | tuvwx | seriously? does anyone put their swap on raid? |
| 19:45.23 | SerajewelKS | tuvwx: put the swap space in the RAID10 |
| 19:45.27 | SerajewelKS | tuvwx: uh. yes. |
| 19:45.38 | SerajewelKS | tuvwx: swap on a single disk creates a single point of failure |
| 19:45.58 | tuvwx | SerajewelKS: i was going to use a third partition on each disk for swap |
| 19:46.15 | SerajewelKS | tuvwx: as a RAID1? |
| 19:46.28 | tuvwx | SerajewelKS: no.. just 4 paritions of swap |
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| 19:46.43 | SerajewelKS | tuvwx: that completely defeats the purpose of the raid setup then, if your goal is uptime |
| 19:46.49 | tuvwx | SerajewelKS: there doesn't have to be 1 swap |
| 19:46.51 | SerajewelKS | tuvwx: if *any disk* fails your system will panic |
| 19:47.11 | SerajewelKS | tuvwx: if your goal is only to prevent data loss, then sure, you could do that |
| 19:47.12 | tuvwx | SerajewelKS: ok.. got your point |
| 19:47.26 | SerajewelKS | tuvwx: but if you want your system to be up even if a disk croaks, put your swap in the raid10 |
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| 19:47.49 | tuvwx | SerajewelKS: in that case, swap on the raid10 array makes more sense than to put it on the raid1 boot array, so i'd gain some swap performance from the stripping |
| 19:47.49 | SerajewelKS | tuvwx: raid1 would also work, but the only reason /boot is raid1 is so grub can read it |
| 19:47.55 | SerajewelKS | tuvwx: yes, exactly |
| 19:48.18 | SerajewelKS | so your disk will be md0 [ /boot ] md1 [ / | swap ] |
| 19:48.21 | SerajewelKS | disks* |
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| 19:48.47 | K1ng\ | hey. why my home dir is readable by other user? |
| 19:48.57 | SerajewelKS | because that is the default |
| 19:49.15 | tuvwx | ok.. now, is there a difference between raid 0 on top of raid 1 (raid 1+0) and linux' raid10? |
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| 19:49.29 | SerajewelKS | tuvwx: i believe linux's specialized raid10 implementation will be more efficient |
| 19:49.39 | SerajewelKS | and probably easier to configure |
| 19:49.42 | K1ng\ | please help me with chomod /home/mydir |
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| 19:49.49 | K1ng\ | chmod |
| 19:49.50 | SerajewelKS | K1ng\: man chmod |
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| 19:50.37 | K1ng\ | Seji, i mean what chmod i should set? |
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| 19:51.35 | SerajewelKS | K1ng\: you should set the permissions how you want them |
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| 19:51.52 | K1ng\ | lol this is funny |
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| 19:52.28 | karsten | What's the significance of link count for a directory? |
| 19:52.30 | SerajewelKS | !tell K1ng\ about permissions |
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| 19:53.17 | baldurk | hey I installed debian from the 5.0.4 amd64 netinst CD. Everything went OK, the livecd detected all my HDDs and formatted/copied correctly. However when I boot it hangs on "Loading GRUB.", and I cannot ctrl-alt-del to reboot. Any ideas what this might be? This is a new machine so it might be mobo/HDD incompatibility |
| 19:53.46 | karsten | It's *not* the number of files w/in the directory... |
| 19:53.57 | aguitel | i am making safe-upgrade in squeeze and in one line say:Failed to fetch http://debian.yorku.ca/debian/pool/main/g/gnome-keyring/libgcr0_2.30.1-2_i386.deb Hash Sum mismatch ,what is this? |
| 19:54.09 | karsten | baldurk: That's generally a geometry mismatch. Can you boot a CD and re-install GRUB? |
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| 19:54.20 | karsten | aguitel: run 'aptitude update'. |
| 19:54.22 | pytl | hi |
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| 19:54.41 | baldurk | karsten: I booted off the debian installer CD and reran grub-install with --recheck to force a device probe, but got the same hang |
| 19:54.47 | karsten | aguitel: You're trying to grab a package which has changed (or failed its signature check). |
| 19:54.53 | baldurk | no errors from GRUB and from my limited knowledge of grub 2 all the config files in /boot look OK |
| 19:54.58 | tuvwx | in d-i, what are active vs. spare devices for a raid array? |
| 19:55.06 | erry | :( |
| 19:55.09 | karsten | baldurk: This fails BEFORE the GRUB prompt? |
| 19:55.17 | aguitel | karsten, same error |
| 19:55.35 | baldurk | karsten: yup. Looks like it's early stage1 or something? It goes from BIOS to "Loading GRUB." in text before the prompt or anything |
| 19:55.51 | baldurk | and hangs there, won't respond to anything |
| 19:55.57 | karsten | baldurk: Yeah, I'm looking up grub error messages. |
| 19:56.14 | justin | aguitel: that mirror is broken |
| 19:56.17 | baldurk | yeh I have been googling for an hour or so but "loading grub" has surprisingly many results :) |
| 19:56.25 | karsten | aguitel: Try a different mirror. The one you're using seems to have problems. Or d/l the package from elsewhere (try packages.debian.org) and see if there's still a problem. |
| 19:56.28 | karsten | baldurk: :) |
| 19:56.39 | karsten | baldurk: I still say it's a drive issues. How mand HDs, what type, what size? |
| 19:56.56 | karsten | baldurk: ... and what version of grub (1 or 2)? |
| 19:56.58 | baldurk | 4 HDDs, SATA 2TB each |
| 19:57.00 | baldurk | looks to be grub2 |
| 19:57.03 | tuvwx | are spare devices not use at all until an active device fails? |
| 19:57.03 | aguitel | justin, karsten ,thanks |
| 19:57.07 | baldurk | I've tried the drives in IDE and AHCI mode |
| 19:57.22 | justin | aguitel: the file it is returning is corrupted |
| 19:57.31 | baldurk | grub should be installed in the MBR and /boot lives in a 100MB primary partiion on /dev/sda1, / is 50GB on /dev/sda2 |
| 19:57.54 | justin | I don't think it is anything malicious, as it is not even a valid debian package |
| 19:58.21 | baldurk | karsten: I'm tempted to try installing GRUB1 or even LILO to see if they get any farther, or at least give me more detailed errors |
| 19:58.37 | karsten | baldurk: How is the HD partitioned? fdisk, cfdisk, using a partition table, or ... EIF? There's a format for large (multi-TB disks). |
| 19:58.45 | blubberdiblub | baldurk, sometimes the BIOS doesn't like the partition layout (regarding CHS), if it's a stupid BIOS, that is |
| 19:58.53 | justin | EFI |
| 19:59.01 | karsten | baldurk: I'm new to grub2. Can you boot the HD from the install disk (it should be one of the options). |
| 19:59.04 | baldurk | hmm, unsure how the HD was partitioned originally, I did it through the text debian wizard |
| 19:59.04 | karsten | justin: danke. |
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| 20:00.15 | karsten | baldurk: Should be a standard partition table AFAIK. |
| 20:00.15 | baldurk | karsten: I'm in a chroot'd shell on the installation after booting from the install disk |
| 20:00.15 | karsten | baldurk: My favorite environment ;-) |
| 20:00.15 | baldurk | :) |
| 20:00.15 | karsten | <3's chroot shells. |
| 20:00.15 | baldurk | yeh it's been a while since I've poked around in one |
| 20:00.19 | baldurk | fdisk actually returns EFI GPT for /dev/sda1 covering the whole disk, and then an empty /dev/sda2.. |
| 20:00.32 | baldurk | guid partition table? |
| 20:00.36 | baldurk | I'm not familiar with what that is.. |
| 20:01.09 | karsten | baldurk: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GUID_Partition_Table |
| 20:01.12 | karsten | baldurk: ... I'm learning now ;-) |
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| 20:01.36 | baldurk | interesting |
| 20:01.48 | frostschutz | stupid format |
| 20:01.50 | karsten | baldurk: It's also possible that you don't have an MBR or equivalent under GUID. |
| 20:02.24 | karsten | baldurk: How big's the disk? |
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| 20:02.33 | baldurk | 2TB bang on |
| 20:02.41 | baldurk | so I guess that's why it's been formatted thus :) |
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| 20:02.52 | tuvwx | how do i create partitions on a raid device in d-i? selecting the device, i'm presented with the partitions menu (use as:...) |
| 20:02.56 | karsten | That *should* be formatable via fdisk, I think 2TB is the limit. |
| 20:03.17 | karsten | baldurk: ... though gparted is AFAIC the better tool for managing these. |
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| 20:03.39 | baldurk | can gparted start in a text mode? it looked to be trying to start a graphical UI |
| 20:03.48 | frostschutz | you want parted then |
| 20:03.49 | blubberdiblub | baldurk, try parted without the g |
| 20:03.52 | frostschutz | or gfdisk |
| 20:03.54 | karsten | Um. 'parted' is the curses interface. |
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| 20:03.55 | frostschutz | err, gdisk |
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| 20:04.19 | karsten | baldurk: haven't used it much myself, though I haven't had problems w/ it. |
| 20:04.26 | baldurk | hmm, parted gdisk aren't found. They're probably on the installer CD's chroot, one second |
| 20:04.33 | baldurk | *parted and gdisk |
| 20:04.41 | karsten | baldurk: knoppix generally has 'em. |
| 20:04.49 | baldurk | aha |
| 20:05.00 | baldurk | I just finished installing a knoppix disk, nice timing |
| 20:05.00 | frostschutz | knoppix still not dead yet? :-D |
| 20:05.02 | baldurk | err, burning |
| 20:05.05 | karsten | also <3's Knoppix, though there's now a sidix or something like it. |
| 20:05.11 | karsten | frostschutz: Updated this past march. |
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| 20:05.48 | baldurk | OK I'll try repartitioning that disk without GPT |
| 20:05.49 | karsten | !sidux |
| 20:05.49 | dpkg | methinks sidux is a live distribution <based on Debian> Sid, with a special focus on clean and easy hard disk installation. It is <OT> in #debian. Please /join #sidux on irc.oftc.net. |
| 20:05.50 | baldurk | and then reinstall from there |
| 20:06.09 | tuvwx | how do i create partitions on a raid device in d-i? selecting the device, i'm presented with the partitions menu (use as:...) |
| 20:06.19 | karsten | baldurk: while/if you've got something to create a bootable CD on, try iether knoppix or siddux as they're damned handy to have. |
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| 20:06.26 | karsten | !tell tuvwx about repeat. |
| 20:07.17 | baldurk | karsten: booting into knoppix now |
| 20:07.19 | holycow | are there any alternative fakeraid software solutions besides dmraid? |
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| 20:07.37 | valdyn | holycow: md raid |
| 20:07.49 | karsten | tuvwx: https://raid.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Linux_Raid and enjoy. |
| 20:08.01 | frostschutz | I switched to GPT recently, with some unforseen consequences. For some reason, data partitions have the same partition type for Linux and Windows, so the first time I booted into Windows on that machine it popped up 32 dialogs wanting to format my GPT partitions... |
| 20:08.21 | karsten | tuvwx: https://raid.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Partitioning_RAID_/_LVM_on_RAID and no I won't read it to you. |
| 20:08.25 | holycow | danke |
| 20:08.32 | valdyn | holycow: dmraid = use the same crap that windows uses, which is the raid controller firmware |
| 20:08.46 | holycow | right right! |
| 20:08.51 | valdyn | holycow: rather, specified by the raid controller firmware |
| 20:08.56 | karsten | gets back to work. Lunch. Whatever. |
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| 20:09.05 | valdyn | holycow: md raid is better |
| 20:09.34 | holycow | makes sense indeed |
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| 20:09.50 | bkw | my mic does not in lenny using hda-intel. are there any docs available on how to compile alsa for lenny? |
| 20:10.12 | valdyn | bkw: maybe you want to first try a lenny-backports kernel |
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| 20:10.31 | valdyn | bkw: ive had the same issue fixed by that on an x60 |
| 20:10.32 | bkw | valdyn: how do I do that? |
| 20:10.39 | valdyn | !backports |
| 20:10.39 | dpkg | from memory, backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.org/ . Ask me about <backports.org> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
| 20:10.49 | valdyn | !backports.org |
| 20:10.49 | dpkg | backports.org is a semi-official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://deb.li/bpoi . A sample line for your sources.list is: deb http://www.backports.org/debian lenny-backports main contrib non-free. Once added: "aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update". <bpo mirrors> <bpo contents> <bpo list> <backports-users> |
| 20:10.55 | valdyn | bkw: the 2nd one |
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| 20:13.32 | bkw | valdyn: what kernel package is that I should install now? |
| 20:13.57 | tuvwx | so lvm is the only way to create partitions on top raid? |
| 20:13.57 | valdyn | bkw: "apt-cache search linux-image", pick one |
| 20:14.13 | valdyn | tuvwx: why would it be the only way? |
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| 20:14.37 | {g} | Hey People! I managed to connect to my WLAN access point. I get an IP from it etc. But I cannot access any website. I cant even ping the router itself. Any ideas? |
| 20:15.13 | valdyn | {g}: how did you get the ip? |
| 20:15.15 | K1ng\ | hey |
| 20:15.19 | K1ng\ | i need help |
| 20:15.20 | bkw | valdyn: such as linux-image-2.6.32-bpo.4-686 ? |
| 20:15.27 | valdyn | bkw: yes |
| 20:15.42 | tuvwx | valdyn: i can't create partitions on a raid device in debian-installer. selecting the device presents the parition menu (Use as: ...) |
| 20:15.50 | {g} | valdyn: when i do "ifconfig", i see the notebook got the ip that i configured the router to give to connecting clients. |
| 20:16.04 | valdyn | tuvwx: i see |
| 20:16.16 | valdyn | tuvwx: thats probably reasonable, but its only a limitation of the installer |
| 20:16.23 | K1ng\ | i want to chmod ~ (homedir) to block other users to read my files but i have apache website hosted on ~ |
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| 20:16.28 | valdyn | tuvwx: not of debian per se |
| 20:17.23 | bkw | valdyn: http://pastebin.com/J3iM9ZSZ seem like it failed :( |
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| 20:17.43 | blubberdiblub | tuvwx, maybe you just need to tell the installer to load an installer module for that purpose, if there is one and if it wasn't loaded automatically? |
| 20:18.17 | valdyn | bkw: oh, fuck |
| 20:18.36 | Sergio` | lsusb detects Logitech, Inc. Labtec Webcam Pro |
| 20:18.41 | valdyn | bkw: try 2.6.30 from backports.org |
| 20:18.54 | Sergio` | But I don't get a /dev/video what should I do? |
| 20:19.10 | Sergio` | Skype doesn't detect it. |
| 20:19.30 | denysonique | Sergio`, what version of skype? |
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| 20:19.52 | Sergio` | I thought the problem was something else. |
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| 20:20.04 | valdyn | bkw: if your system was not already broken before this you found a bug in that package anyway |
| 20:20.21 | babilen | Sergio`: That webcam should be supported by the gspca drivers - /msg dpkg gspca |
| 20:20.46 | Sergio` | babilen: I didn't get a msg |
| 20:20.55 | babilen | Sergio`: I am not entirely sure, so please check the list of the supported devices as well |
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| 20:21.01 | bkw | valdyn: now it seems to be broked. argh |
| 20:21.03 | babilen | !tell Sergio` about gspca |
| 20:21.12 | valdyn | bkw: show the errors |
| 20:21.43 | babilen | Sergio`: You can "/msg dpkg <topic>" as well - that is the reason why you did you get a message |
| 20:21.48 | bkw | valdyn: http://pastebin.com/R57Z1fmc |
| 20:22.16 | valdyn | bkw: so you already have that kernel anyway |
| 20:22.25 | valdyn | bkw: thats not to bad |
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| 20:22.51 | valdyn | bkw: "aptitude purge linux-image-2.6.32-bpo.4-686" |
| 20:22.55 | trico | hi. is there anyone to help with a question about patches? |
| 20:23.22 | babilen | trico: Just ask :) |
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| 20:24.34 | bkw | valdyn: http://pastebin.com/yE7dhV6u |
| 20:24.44 | bkw | what is this, untested packages? :/ |
| 20:24.55 | valdyn | bkw: that was not the purge i told you |
| 20:25.06 | bkw | I did that, and got errors as well |
| 20:25.16 | trico | ok babilen. there was a patch in 2007 that fixed an issue with powernow. but i think this patch is not included the kernels. |
| 20:25.20 | valdyn | bkw: errors that i wanted to see |
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| 20:25.57 | bkw | valdyn: http://pastebin.com/ZuFc9Uk6 |
| 20:26.27 | valdyn | bkw: ok, i cant debug this perfectly for you but |
| 20:26.36 | jordanm | valdyn: I believe its a known issue |
| 20:26.47 | valdyn | bkw: chances are good that you will be ok after removing /var/lib/dpkg/info/linux-base.postinst and "aptitude -f install" |
| 20:26.50 | jordanm | he need linux-base for sid, should be able to fetch from package.debian.org and install |
| 20:27.08 | valdyn | jordanm: sure? guessing? |
| 20:27.14 | bkw | sid is unstable? |
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| 20:27.33 | jordanm | valdyn: not sure but a bit more than a guess as well... |
| 20:27.38 | valdyn | bkw: yes |
| 20:27.44 | dondelelcaro | jordanm: nearly the same version is available in lenny-backports |
| 20:27.48 | bkw | maybe I should upgrade to sid now when it is ported anyway |
| 20:27.49 | jordanm | valdyn: I saw another regular supporter instructing a user to do so yesterday |
| 20:27.57 | valdyn | jordanm: ok |
| 20:28.24 | valdyn | bkw: your choice, if you really need 2.6.32, do that jordanm said, if 2.6.30 might be ok you can do what i said |
| 20:28.27 | odinsbane | I have two usb drives, each with ntfs & ext3 partitions. What is a good way to refere to them in the fstab so the partiions are mounted to the same directories? |
| 20:29.07 | dondelelcaro | odinsbane: you write udev rules, so those devices have predictable names, and then list them in fstab |
| 20:29.10 | jordanm | ,versions linux-base |
| 20:29.12 | judd | linux-base -- sid: 2.6.32-10; lenny-backports: 2.6.32-11~bpo50+1; sid: 2.6.32-11; sid: 2.6.32-12; experimental: 2.6.33-1~experimental.3; experimental: 2.6.33-1~experimental.4; experimental: 2.6.33-1~experimental.5 |
| 20:29.15 | dondelelcaro | odinsbane: or you refer to them by UUID or similar |
| 20:29.16 | bkw | I will try to upgrade to sid, it doesn't matter.. borked is borked. |
| 20:29.22 | valdyn | bkw: no |
| 20:29.32 | valdyn | bkw: only get that package from sid |
| 20:29.41 | valdyn | bkw: *do* *not* upgrade your system to sid |
| 20:30.04 | valdyn | bkw: this is a minor problem that does not yet affect much at all |
| 20:30.04 | odinsbane | dondelelcaro: the uuid will always be the same once the partitions are formatted? |
| 20:30.08 | jordanm | dondelelcaro: it appears that bug was fixed in the -12 version. #576925 |
| 20:30.41 | dondelelcaro | odinsbane: in theory, yes. |
| 20:30.49 | dondelelcaro | jordanm: yeah, looks like a few more were introduced too |
| 20:31.36 | odinsbane | what about the label, some of my partitions have a label. |
| 20:31.39 | jordanm | ehh, thats not a good thing to break either since many stable users require that kernel for their hardware |
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| 20:33.25 | odinsbane | Thanks the udev rules leads me to some good information. |
| 20:33.34 | andouar | plop |
| 20:35.12 | tuvwx | it seems that i cannot partition a raid array (except with lvm, which i'm not thrilled to have to use). so, it looks easier to me to split the raid partitions before creating the raid array, and they create two separate raid arrays without any paritioins inside. does that make sense? |
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| 20:35.55 | valdyn | tuvwx: yes |
| 20:36.44 | valdyn | tuvwx: lvm is great, but using multiple raids is a good idea either way |
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| 20:37.25 | tuvwx | valdyn: how easy is it to have a live recovery cd (e.g. grml) recognize and mount an lvm on top of raid10? |
| 20:37.36 | valdyn | tuvwx: easy |
| 20:37.43 | tuvwx | i'd like to have a straightforward recovery procedure in place |
| 20:38.04 | tuvwx | grml is great with raid, but i have no idea how it does with lvm |
| 20:38.09 | valdyn | tuvwx: same thing |
| 20:38.17 | valdyn | tuvwx: start raid, vgchange -ay |
| 20:38.46 | valdyn | tuvwx: i used grml a few times for this, but i dont remember exactly, which means it made no problems... |
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| 20:42.22 | tuvwx | would lvm introduce any performance penalty? |
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| 20:43.11 | kibibyte | please help me, how to retrive image from chrome cache (ubuntu). i can see binary data in (about:cache) but how to save this image? |
| 20:43.47 | pngwn | !tell kibibyte -about ubuntu |
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| 20:44.23 | coffeejunky1982 | hi there |
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| 20:45.14 | flami | Hi I'm trying to get a port from localhost forwarded to another box , i tried "iptables -t nat -A OUTPUT -p tcp --dport 6666 -j DNAT --to 10.0.1.6:6666" but nothing seems to arrive on the other side. only thing I get is netcat not complainin about connection refused. |
| 20:45.26 | flami | is that actually possible ? :P |
| 20:45.34 | valdyn | tuvwx: yes but irrelevant |
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| 20:45.46 | tuvwx | valdyn: is swap on top of lvm on raid acceptable? |
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| 20:45.53 | valdyn | tuvwx: sure |
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| 20:46.12 | valdyn | tuvwx: disks being orders of magnitudes slower than your cpu this doesnt matter |
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| 20:47.32 | EduardeCalibal | Hi. Someone know if is possible redirect warnings from gcc to a file? |
| 20:48.15 | themill | EduardeCalibal: add &> log.txt |
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| 20:48.27 | jordanm | themill: that assumes bash |
| 20:48.37 | EduardeCalibal | I try, thanks. |
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| 20:48.50 | EduardeCalibal | You say. make > log.txt ? |
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| 20:48.57 | themill | jordanm: does zsh not cope with such simple things? Why do people keep telling me to use it then? |
| 20:48.58 | EduardeCalibal | If is it, dont work... |
| 20:49.03 | flami | EduardeCalibal: well if warnings are stderr try gcc ...... 2> bla |
| 20:49.09 | themill | EduardeCalibal: &> not > |
| 20:49.17 | EduardeCalibal | Oo... Ok |
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| 20:49.20 | jordanm | themill: it was my understanding that &> is a bash specific feature and 2>&1 is considered portable |
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| 20:49.46 | EduardeCalibal | Thanks, work now. |
| 20:50.03 | flami | ont he other hand who doesnt use bash? :P |
| 20:50.03 | jordanm | themill: shells like zsh may also use it, but I don't think POSIX shell does |
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| 20:50.15 | themill | jordanm: portability isn't such a concern in #debian as it is an obsession in #bash. |
| 20:51.10 | themill | jordanm: but yeah, if this were in a /bin/sh script there would be trouble. |
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| 20:51.21 | andaluz | hello guys, how can I see what apt-packages I have installed. Because of poluted sources.list I have some bad installations. And now I want to remove them... |
| 20:51.31 | themill | dpkg: tell andaluz about installed |
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| 20:52.50 | andaluz | I thought I could see it in a file, some kind of log file for apt, that has all the installed software |
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| 20:53.29 | jordanm | andaluz: dpkg just pmed you the answer to that |
| 20:53.30 | themill | andaluz: what are you _really_ trying to do? what does "some bad installations" mean? |
| 20:54.14 | jordanm | well, I suppose it is up to you to direct the output of the file, if it must be in a file |
| 20:54.35 | EduardeCalibal | themill, about your reply, I dont understand the cause for &> work and > dont work... -.- |
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| 20:56.25 | andaluz | jordanm: yes I read the message and also execute the examples |
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| 20:56.32 | jordanm | EduardeCalibal: check out the redirection section of the bash manpage |
| 20:56.49 | EduardeCalibal | I am seeking now... |
| 20:57.09 | tuvwx | how do i install a task using aptitude from the command line? |
| 20:57.18 | jordanm | EduardeCalibal: the difference being > only redirects stdout and not stderr |
| 20:57.25 | tuvwx | aptitude install <task-name>? |
| 20:57.34 | jordanm | tuvwx: use tasksel |
| 20:57.46 | jordanm | andaluz: whats the problem then? |
| 20:57.53 | EduardeCalibal | Ok, I found in help now... I have many to read. Thanks again |
| 20:58.18 | andaluz | themill: well glibc6 doesn't want to install because of some wrong dependency's. Also my xfce4 is not working properly because of an old version. So I'm afraid I messed up sources.list and installed the wrong apt-packages |
| 20:58.30 | themill | dpkg: tell andaluz about bat |
| 20:59.26 | themill | andaluz: can you please pastebin the output that dpkg suggested. Also the output of "/msg dpkg show sources.list me" and "/msg dpkg not available" might be handy. |
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| 21:00.07 | andaluz | jordanm: and themill thnks for your help. I think I need to solve some other problems first. Otherwise I'll keep wasting your time. |
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| 21:00.29 | jordanm | andaluz: you should just do what was asked |
| 21:00.42 | andaluz | ok thnx |
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| 21:02.47 | baldurk | karsten: FYI (if you remember) switching that disk from GPT to regular partitioning let grub boot fine into the new system :) Cheers |
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| 21:03.53 | JAHSDGH | http://www.petitemarion.com/?id=1295358 |
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| 21:06.04 | chillindave | What user runs crontabs? |
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| 21:06.11 | karsten | baldurk: Cool. |
| 21:06.30 | karsten | baldurk: reinstall required, I take it? |
| 21:06.37 | baldurk | yeh |
| 21:06.41 | karsten | baldurk: feh. |
| 21:06.44 | baldurk | I possibly could have saved the partitions but it wasn't worth the hassle |
| 21:06.55 | baldurk | since it was a brand new system anyway, it only cost me another 30 minutes or whatever install time |
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| 21:17.50 | MrCable | HELLO world |
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| 21:27.23 | chlue | Hello I wan't to automatically shut down my system at ~3am (have a dvbt recording running), but I use a mediaplayer in kde to do the recording. Can I expect a somewhat clean shutdown of kde if I issue a 'shutdown -h 3:00' or will this more or less issue a kill all? |
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| 21:28.53 | SerajewelKS | chlue: does it even matter? |
| 21:29.46 | SerajewelKS | chlue: if KDE applications cannot properly deal with a SIGTERM, then that is a bug in the application |
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| 21:30.15 | chlue | Ok you have a point here. Will see what my system says when I restart it tomorrow :-) |
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| 21:31.57 | eridu | Does debian-installer/debian support full-disk encryption on mipsel? |
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| 21:32.30 | rektide | is there a way i can adjust how much scrolling mouse scroll does? |
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| 21:33.00 | jordanm | eridu: I doubt /boot can be encrypted |
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| 21:37.57 | eridu | jordanm: on GNU/Linux you're correct, but does the mipsel port support as much crypto as x86? Is this the right channel to be asking? |
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| 21:40.17 | jordanm | eridu: there are arch specific channels |
| 21:40.19 | jordanm | !mipsel |
| 21:40.19 | dpkg | i guess mipsel is one of the supported debian architectures http://www.debian.org/ports/mipsel/ |
| 21:40.24 | jordanm | !mips |
| 21:40.24 | dpkg | methinks mips is (Million Instructions Per Second) This is a rating of how quickly a processor can process instructions. A processor rated at 100 MIPS can process 100,000,000 instructions per second. Also a port of linux to computers equiped with MIPS processors. Meaningless Indication of Processor Speed, or a processor commonly found in video game console systems, and some computers, for more information, join #mipslinux on irc.freenode.net. |
| 21:40.43 | dondelelcaro | eridu: "support crypto" in what way? |
| 21:40.59 | jordanm | eridu: mipslinux? I am not sure how much mips differs from mipsel (or if there similar at all) |
| 21:41.08 | dondelelcaro | eridu: most packages are available on all architectures, certainly all of the ones that you'd use normally |
| 21:41.09 | jordanm | they're |
| 21:41.15 | eridu | dondelelcaro: Can I set up / as a filesystem on a dm_crypt mapping |
| 21:41.19 | dondelelcaro | eridu: yes |
| 21:41.30 | eridu | dondelelcaro: Can I do that from d-i |
| 21:41.47 | jordanm | can / contain /boot in that situation is the big question... |
| 21:42.03 | dondelelcaro | eridu: yes |
| 21:42.12 | eridu | dondelelcaro: thank you |
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| 21:42.14 | dondelelcaro | you normally have a separate /boot if you're doing encrypted / |
| 21:42.51 | jordanm | his orginal question was "full disk encryption" |
| 21:43.41 | dondelelcaro | you have to load the kernel somehow, and that normally precludes having it encrypted |
| 21:44.23 | dondelelcaro | (unless you're doing something really odd, there's no reason to have an encrypted /boot anyway) |
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| 21:46.23 | jordanm | there was a user in another distro that was attempting it to "hide" that he had a security testing distro even installed |
| 21:46.35 | dondelelcaro | good luck with that |
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| 21:47.59 | jordanm | I am sure it was illegetimate things so its good that he couldn't anyways |
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| 21:51.34 | frostschutz | i put /boot on usb, so if someone doesnt have my key they won't even see grub, it'll just boot windows like any other windows pc - good enough to fool unwanted visitors |
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| 22:07.05 | Bcell | Tell me why do you use linux over windows? |
| 22:07.22 | marienz | Bcell: that'll do. Please find something better to do now. |
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| 22:08.32 | dondelelcaro | !tell Bcell -about why debian |
| 22:08.52 | Bcell | !why windows |
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| 22:10.08 | deeb | hi |
| 22:11.22 | SeviY | Coucou x'D |
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| 22:13.06 | ifdef | I have a command-line system and I'm using grub2 as my bootloader. I do not have X installed. How do I check which resolution I'm using? (in X I would have used xrandr) |
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| 22:19.26 | dkr | ifdef: hrm, I know you can set console resolution with the vga kernel commandline option. not sure how to read what it is though, perhaps something in /proc |
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| 22:20.11 | ifdef | Yeah, I've been looking for a while now. It should be readable somewhere I guess. Hard to find. |
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| 22:24.53 | MrCable | how to i can paste my screen |
| 22:25.11 | MrCable | paste a screen shot for share with the world |
| 22:25.26 | petemc | MrCable: /msg dpkg ss |
| 22:25.28 | dkr | ifdef: maybe you can find what the default is set to when there is no vga kernel option by looking at the kernel config |
| 22:25.28 | SerajewelKS | MrCable: press "print screen" on your keyboard |
| 22:25.48 | dkr | or more likely, "print scrn" ;) |
| 22:25.53 | MrCable | yes .... but i want share with the people |
| 22:26.02 | SerajewelKS | !pastebin |
| 22:26.03 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastebin.ca/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>. |
| 22:26.09 | MrCable | lol |
| 22:26.11 | MrCable | :) |
| 22:26.24 | petemc | imgur.com |
| 22:26.25 | SerajewelKS | dkr: but the default mode can get changed by a module |
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| 22:26.30 | MrCable | is it rules with images? |
| 22:26.30 | dkr | MrCable: taking a screen shot will create an image file like desktop.jpg once you have that you can share it however you like |
| 22:26.36 | SerajewelKS | dkr: for example, the nouveau module alters the screen resolution |
| 22:26.52 | dkr | SerajewelKS: oh. interesting |
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| 22:29.48 | deeb | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:30.59 | themill | deeb: the relative path in line 2 is most likely wrong |
| 22:31.54 | deeb | themill: the file that is missin is: ./setv.sh |
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| 22:32.20 | Bop | deeb, your script runs other script that is not present |
| 22:32.31 | Bop | or with wrong path |
| 22:32.51 | deeb | yep, there might be a flag to sh to look for parents, no? |
| 22:32.56 | ifdef | deeb: If you are really talking about a parent directory? Then use ../ instead of ./ |
| 22:33.22 | themill | deeb: does /usr/local/setv.sh exist? |
| 22:33.27 | deeb | exists |
| 22:33.45 | Bop | u can use full path instead |
| 22:33.46 | themill | deeb: so "cd /usr/local ; ./startup.sh" works ok? |
| 22:33.53 | deeb | yep |
| 22:34.00 | themill | deeb: the relative path in line 2 is most likely wrong |
| 22:34.02 | deeb | ifdef: i didn't mean parent sorry ;) |
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| 22:35.21 | TweakGames | I cant remember a name of an app that we used at our old school that we ran on the admins computer that monitored all the other computers (that had the client installed). |
| 22:35.22 | deeb | if i do: cd /usr/local ; sh ./startup.sh" works ok, |
| 22:35.32 | TweakGames | it was called something like valc, but I cant find it. :( |
| 22:35.33 | ifdef | deeb: Insert a pwd immediately before line 2 in startup.sh . To debug where you are. |
| 22:35.52 | deeb | ifdef: i go try |
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| 22:36.24 | themill | ifdef, deeb: "pwd" isn't necessary... it will still be in the current directory from which it was executed. |
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| 22:37.29 | ifdef | themill: How so? Can't startup.sh change the current directory for the script environment? |
| 22:37.42 | themill | ifdef: on line 2? |
| 22:37.50 | ifdef | themill: no on line 1 |
| 22:38.06 | themill | ifdef: #!/bin/sh ... |
| 22:38.14 | c4400 | hey I'm sorta a noob, only been using Debian 5 and linux for a while. I just recently got my SSH to accept a private key and no password auth. but I can only get it to let me log in as root. is there a way to let me do other users too? Thx in advance for any pointers |
| 22:38.24 | ifdef | themill: Right. |
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| 22:39.06 | ifdef | themill: Is there is a #!/bin/sh , it doesn't have to be since he is using sh to execute it |
| 22:39.19 | ifdef | s/Is /If / |
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| 22:39.40 | themill | ifdef: possibly true, although the example I gave didn't do tha |
| 22:39.41 | themill | t |
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| 22:40.12 | themill | in any case.... the relative path there is wrong |
| 22:40.29 | ifdef | yes |
| 22:41.18 | themill | Sunderland Central to labour too |
| 22:41.22 | themill | echan |
| 22:42.35 | ifdef | c4400: Accepting root login through SSH is kind of dangerous. |
| 22:42.46 | c4400 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:42.49 | c4400 | I had disabled it |
| 22:42.54 | ifdef | c4400: Good :-) |
| 22:42.57 | c4400 | but |
| 22:43.15 | c4400 | re-enabled it cause I couldnt get RSA key login with password auth to work with other than root heh |
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| 22:43.22 | c4400 | without password auth* |
| 22:43.47 | ifdef | c4400: Do you accept normal password logins? Can other users login that way now? |
| 22:43.56 | c4400 | I'm the only one that needs to log in |
| 22:44.03 | c4400 | right now, I have password auth set to no |
| 22:44.43 | ifdef | c4400: I'm just trying to grasp what works. You were able to login using your normal account earlier? |
| 22:44.44 | c4400 | 2048 bit RSA key |
| 22:44.49 | c4400 | logging in as root |
| 22:44.58 | c4400 | my normal account, wont let me log in, so I musta done somethign wrong. |
| 22:44.59 | c4400 | heh |
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| 22:45.36 | themill | c4400: "/msg dpkg ssh-copy-id" and use that to copy the key around and get the permissions right. |
| 22:45.56 | themill | c4400: (also /msg dpkg ssh permissions) |
| 22:46.27 | c4400 | right now I have /root/.sshd/authorized_keys |
| 22:46.35 | c4400 | do I have to have that in the other user's dir too? |
| 22:46.46 | c4400 | and designated in the sshd_config also |
| 22:47.02 | c4400 | just seems like all the help I see on google is only for logging in with root |
| 22:47.07 | frostschutz | c4400: if you want to use keys to log in as other users, they have ~/.sshd/authorized_keys too yes |
| 22:47.20 | c4400 | can it be the same key? |
| 22:47.33 | ifdef | yes |
| 22:47.34 | frostschutz | sure |
| 22:47.36 | c4400 | hmmm |
| 22:48.13 | ifdef | I suggest you re-enable password logins. And get login as your normal account using a password to work first. |
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| 22:48.23 | c4400 | is it really dangerous to allow root login via SSH if I've got password auth set to no and a 2048 bit key? |
| 22:48.31 | c4400 | I can log into it with a password fine, |
| 22:48.35 | ifdef | If you can't do that, the problem might not have to do with your login method (key) |
| 22:49.13 | ifdef | c4400: I would say no. It's not dangerous. |
| 22:49.25 | c4400 | oh ok |
| 22:49.25 | ifdef | c4400: If you accept keys only |
| 22:49.28 | c4400 | yea |
| 22:49.35 | ifdef | c4400: But people will disagree :-) |
| 22:49.36 | c4400 | that's what I have it set to now. password auth no. |
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| 22:49.44 | c4400 | hmm |
| 22:49.47 | ifdef | c4400: Some at least |
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| 22:50.01 | c4400 | I *was* kinda tired of having to log in, then su, ANOTHER password.. |
| 22:50.32 | ifdef | c4400: Do you constantly do tasks which require root access? :-) |
| 22:50.45 | c4400 | hm.. some, here and there. I suppose |
| 22:51.11 | c4400 | but, then again I'm not good at permissions and stuff. still a noob |
| 22:51.33 | c4400 | and kept getting denied just writing to files with my normal login, that I got sick of it haha |
| 22:52.03 | ifdef | c4400: You got denied even when you didn't log in using SSH? |
| 22:52.14 | c4400 | gotta log in using SSH |
| 22:52.30 | ifdef | ok |
| 22:52.32 | c4400 | not a local machine |
| 22:53.03 | c4400 | I suppose as long as my private key works, and password auth is off, I'll be fine... for now |
| 22:53.17 | ifdef | If you have port 22 for SSH open to the Internet, you constantly have people trying to get in. |
| 22:53.31 | c4400 | yeah it was all chinamen |
| 22:53.34 | ifdef | But yes, I would say it's secure anyway |
| 22:53.41 | c4400 | was poring over /var/log/auth.log |
| 22:53.42 | willmore | Is there a package for the 'compat-wireles' dirvers/tools for debian? |
| 22:54.33 | ifdef | c4400: Will with that key no chinaman will ever get in. I doubt even a government. :-) |
| 22:54.41 | c4400 | sweet :) |
| 22:54.51 | c4400 | gotta love Putty and RSA |
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| 22:56.46 | c4400 | I opted not to use a passphrase. |
| 22:56.50 | c4400 | you think I should? |
| 22:56.51 | ifdef | 1024 is a good key strength. It has 2^1024 combinations, and you have 2^2048. (millions and millions of times stronger) |
| 22:57.07 | c4400 | would it be asked of me every time I log in? |
| 22:57.14 | ifdef | c4400: Passphrase is good is someone gets ahold of your key. |
| 22:57.31 | c4400 | hmm |
| 22:57.43 | ifdef | c4400: Yes it would. You could use a password agent which "types it in" for you. |
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| 22:57.53 | c4400 | oh.. hrm. |
| 22:58.05 | c4400 | might be more trouble than it's worth |
| 22:58.08 | c4400 | for what I do, anyway |
| 22:58.15 | ifdef | c4400: But I think it's overkill. I don't use any at home or at work. :-) |
| 22:58.52 | rzeka | how can I check all users logins in lenny? |
| 22:58.52 | ifdef | c4400: There are probably weaker spots in your security than SSH now. :-) |
| 22:59.13 | ifdef | Well... Time for bed. Bye |
| 22:59.13 | c4400 | yeah I'm sure |
| 22:59.22 | c4400 | night, thanks |
| 23:00.29 | SerajewelKS | also, see http://xkcd.com/538/ |
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| 23:12.55 | sinshun | Can I use frambuffer in console when I boot? |
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| 23:13.27 | kraehe | where to put a key for an apt archive? |
| 23:13.59 | aiux | !key |
| 23:13.59 | dpkg | Install the latest debian-archive-keyring package to get the latest GPG key used to sign the Debian archive. |
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| 23:15.13 | kraehe | aiux, I want to add http://eeepc.debian.net/debian/archive-key-eeepc.asc to my keys |
| 23:15.55 | aiux | install their archive-keyring |
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| 23:16.16 | kraehe | aiux, how? |
| 23:16.38 | aiux | aptitude install |
| 23:16.47 | themill | !secure apt |
| 23:16.47 | dpkg | [apt-secure] Starting with version 0.6, <APT> performs signature checking of the Release file for all archives. See http://wiki.debian.org/SecureApt , "man apt-secure" and chapter 7 of the Securing Debian Manual (ask me about <securing debian>) for more information. See also <key>, <no public key>. |
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| 23:30.13 | dbbolton | my right Ctrl key doesn't seem to do anything |
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| 23:32.18 | Kuifje111 | you suspect it's software related? |
| 23:33.20 | dbbolton | yeah. i get this in xev http://paste.debian.net/72342/ |
| 23:33.41 | dbbolton | i think kde might be binding it to something else |
| 23:33.42 | Bop | its working |
| 23:34.19 | Bop | its strange , cause default it to do the same as left control |
| 23:34.35 | dbbolton | for example, if i type Ctrl_r + w, it will act like i just hit w |
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| 23:35.29 | dbbolton | in iceweasel for example |
| 23:35.47 | dbbolton | where as left ctrl+w will close the tab as expected |
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| 23:35.56 | Bop | here it works :D |
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| 23:37.30 | themill | dbbolton: "xmodmap" look sane? |
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| 23:39.51 | dbbolton | http://paste.debian.net/72343/ |
| 23:40.39 | dbbolton | only one control |
| 23:40.53 | themill | indeed |
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| 23:46.53 | dbbolton | i tried: xmodmap -e "keycode 105 = Control_R", to no avail |
| 23:47.10 | dbbolton | also tried mapping 105 to L |
| 23:49.33 | speaker | hey does anyone know what line I need to include in my postfix configuration to only allow authenticated users to send over smtp? |
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| 23:50.53 | c4400 | TX carry permit application online now |
| 23:50.53 | lifestream | Hi, question. I'm having a really hard time creating a GMail account in Icedove. It always says "Username or Password invalid", but it is, in fact, correct. I am using this: https://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=13287 Can someone help? |
| 23:50.54 | c4400 | hmm |
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| 23:50.58 | c4400 | oops wrong chan heh |
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| 23:51.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | you mean accessing an account in icedove |
| 23:52.17 | lifestream | CutMeOwnThroat, I cannot even access it at all, I can't get past the first creation screen |
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| 23:52.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | creation? |
| 23:52.50 | lifestream | CutMeOwnThroat, when you start icedove for the first time, it asks you to |
| 23:53.23 | lifestream | CutMeOwnThroat, on the start page, bottom of the page where it says account -> "Create new account" |
| 23:53.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, that's what you mean |
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| 23:53.54 | lifestream | Right |
| 23:54.36 | lifestream | Nevermind... now it works... I've been trying for an hour atleast.. haha... *coughs embarassedly* |
| 23:54.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | haha |
| 23:54.56 | lifestream | Oh. wait.. sigh..no, it didn't work |
| 23:55.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | but you're not going to reveal what did it? |
| 23:56.12 | lifestream | It didnt |
| 23:56.29 | lifestream | same error, wrong user or password, but it is right |
| 23:56.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | this is when you do what, access pop3? |
| 23:57.06 | themill | lifestream: you have presumably enabled POP or IMAP access as instructed |
| 23:57.23 | lifestream | Yes it's enabled from gmail -> Pop |
| 23:57.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | the link he posted only shows pop3 |
| 23:57.47 | themill | those are rather ancient instructions too |
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| 23:58.04 | lifestream | She, but, ... iceweasel only has "POP", it doesn't have "POP3" as a choice |
| 23:59.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, I never used icedove - does it have a menu point which lets you eneable a log/window showing you the transaction happening between the server and you? |
