| 00:00.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh well, I can install it |
| 00:00.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps I'll even use it in a far future |
| 00:00.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | what version of debian is this and what architecture? |
| 00:00.31 | Argafal | i don't think iceweasel supports pop version 1 instead of 3.... isn't that just a missing 3 in the string? |
| 00:00.41 | Janos | hey there, trying to debug a samba program "net", now i installed samba-dbg which is suppose to have the debug symbols for my program, now any idea how do i tell gdb to debug /usr/bin/net and that the debugging symbols are in /usr/lib/debug/usr/bin/net ? |
| 00:01.05 | lifestream | CutMeOwnThroat, Argafal It's Squeeze and Icedove 3.0.4 |
| 00:01.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | meh |
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| 00:02.13 | lifestream | CutMeOwnThroat, it doesn't have a log. it goes like this: you set the pop/imap and ports, user + password, then iceweasel checks to see if it works. incoming and outgoing works, but then when authenticating, it says wrong user or password |
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| 00:03.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | uh, lenny icedove doesn't have "leave messages on server"? |
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| 00:05.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | lifestream, works fine for me |
| 00:05.23 | Agrajag- | g'day, i have a disk where someone did "dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb1", where sdb1 was already an ext3 partition. /dev/sda contained a number of partions, so now i'm not sure what /dev/sdb1 is or how to read it (gparted says it's uknown). is there any way for me to mount those separate partitions that might be on /dev/sdb1 now? |
| 00:05.24 | lifestream | Squeeze |
| 00:05.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | icedove even has an "gmail" menu point and... never was it easier... didn't even have to add any servers |
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| 00:06.03 | lifestream | Well, YES, it seems easy, that's what I thought, so why is it not working? :P |
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| 00:06.44 | lifestream | I just logged on to gmail using that account using 3 different browsers, yet iceweasel says the name or password is wrong (I just installed icedove, so this is a fresh setup) |
| 00:08.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | iceweasel? |
| 00:08.11 | lifestream | Argafal, I thought when you dd something, it would wipe the entire drive, not just the partition |
| 00:08.15 | lifestream | Am I wrong? |
| 00:09.25 | frostschutz | Agrajag-: it would be /dev/sdb1p1 sdb1p2 etc then |
| 00:09.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | Agrajag-, guess it depends... is sdb1 the only partition? |
| 00:09.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | sdb1p1? |
| 00:10.03 | frostschutz | partition 1 on sdb1 |
| 00:10.14 | frostschutz | it's possible |
| 00:10.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | I figured that, but what's making the device? |
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| 00:10.36 | frostschutz | dunno, udev maybe? |
| 00:10.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | Agrajag-, and blocksize was the default? |
| 00:10.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | frostschutz, and it knows there's partitions on a partition exactly how? |
| 00:11.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | I don't think there's even anything testing for that... |
| 00:11.30 | frostschutz | I had device nodes named like this once |
| 00:11.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | anyway, if the blocksize was big enough, dd should have shreddered the data |
| 00:11.58 | frostschutz | of course my memory could be wrong |
| 00:12.07 | frostschutz | how is this related to blocksize? |
| 00:12.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | how much space is there between the begin of /dev/sda and the begin of /dev/sda1? |
| 00:12.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | now imagine a blocksize that's bigger than that difference |
| 00:12.50 | frostschutz | I thought it's two different disks |
| 00:12.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | no |
| 00:13.03 | Agrajag- | CutMeOwnThroat: yes sdb1 is the only partition, there is no /dev/sdb1p1 |
| 00:13.22 | frostschutz | he said sda -> sdb1 |
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| 00:13.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | ooh, right |
| 00:13.48 | frostschutz | Agrajag-: file -s /dev/sdb1? |
| 00:13.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | I picked the more interesting problem :) |
| 00:14.06 | Agrajag- | frostschutz: x86 boot sector; GRand Unified Bootloader, stage1 version 0x3, stage2 address 0x2000, stage2 segment 0x200, GRUB version 0.94; partition 1: ID=0x83, active, starthead 1, startsector 63, 192717 sectors; partition 2: ID=0x5, starthead 0, startsector 192780, 142914240 sectors, code offset 0x48 |
| 00:14.48 | frostschutz | Agrajag-: dunno if it works but does sfdisk -R /dev/sdb1 or sfdisk -R /dev/sdb do anything? it would re-read partition tables for those devices |
| 00:14.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, why don't you just copy it off to somewhere else, then copy it over /dev/sdb? |
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| 00:16.30 | Agrajag- | CutMeOwnThroat: because it's a large drive and i'd rather not have to mess around with creating more partitions on it for each partition that was originally copied |
| 00:16.44 | frostschutz | yes, your ultimate goal would certainly be interesting to know... after all the data should still be on sda (unless you deleted it from there afterwards) and the data on sdb1 is not recoverable (since its been overwritten already) |
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| 00:17.47 | frostschutz | so the only reason to even look at sdb1 would be to restore data that originally was on sda but isn't there anymore for some reason |
| 00:17.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | lifestream, extensions.logging.enabled |
| 00:18.10 | Agrajag- | i'm just making a backup from an old drive (the original sda) drive onto a much larger drive (sdb) |
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| 00:18.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | Argafal, and now sda failed? |
| 00:18.54 | Agrajag- | i wanted all the partitions, but thought there might be a way to put them on one partition on sdb |
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| 00:18.59 | Argafal | CutMeOwnThroat: mh? |
| 00:18.59 | Agrajag- | no, it's still fine |
| 00:19.14 | Agrajag- | i can copy again if needed |
| 00:19.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | so what is it you want? |
| 00:19.41 | Agrajag- | can i somehow use the offsets that file -s gave to mount? |
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| 00:20.07 | Agrajag- | CutMeOwnThroat: i want to try and avoid copying all the data again and making a bunch of extra partitions on /dev/sdb |
| 00:20.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | probably... you could google for the device name frostschutz mentioned and see what major/minor number it has and create it, I guess or you could use the loop device |
| 00:20.52 | kevin01123 | I keep getting ACPI errors spammed all over all my TTYs. Every tty is covered in "ACPI: EC: input buffer not empty, aborting transaction." Upon reboot, my computer refuses to turn on, and I have to pull out the battery to start it. |
| 00:21.01 | lifestream | CutMeOwnThroat, I guess this is the window I should be looking for? http://lifehacker.com/assets/resources/2007/05/Threaded-Thunderbird.png Like about:config in IceWeasel. But I can't find that window |
| 00:21.05 | Jeremy-| | I'm running a debian lenny VPS, and an IRCd, my provider gave me a /64 of ipv6, but I have no idea how to set it up so I can actually use it-could anyone point me to a manual, or something? |
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| 00:21.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | lifestream, it IS about:config (it says so) edit->preferences->advanced->even more advanced |
| 00:21.58 | lifestream | CutMeOwnThroat, Ok, I was looking around in preferences |
| 00:21.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | err, config editor |
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| 00:22.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | now you only have to a) hope it's logging the right thing and b) you'll be able to find the logfile :-P |
| 00:22.29 | frostschutz | Agrajag-: it may be hard to achieve, depending on the partition offsets, to make those partitions into native partitions now. also, was sdb1 even large enough to hold sda entirely? |
| 00:22.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | lifestream, perhaps that's helpfuls: http://www.nixser.com/2007/07/24/thunderbird-enable-logging-for-multiple-protocols-how-to/ |
| 00:23.16 | frostschutz | Agrajag-: you can use sfdisk dump option to get the offsets, you can even edit it into a global partition table and restore that and hope it'll work, but there's a good chance it won't |
| 00:23.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | Agrajag-, is there a reason you're copying the raw disk instead of files? |
| 00:23.51 | Jeremy-| | did anyone see my question? |
| 00:24.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | even if there is, this seems quite like a... non-standard way of doin git |
| 00:24.10 | lifestream | Forget iceweasel, I'm changing to thunderbird *rolls eyes* |
| 00:24.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | Jeremy-|, no, I've got an ignore on all people whose nick starts with J |
| 00:24.26 | Agrajag- | yeah i'm just going to copy the data again properly.. this is too much hassle. thanks for your help anyway |
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| 00:25.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | Agrajag-, look around the packages a bit... there's quite some software dealing with the problem |
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| 00:25.23 | Jeremy-| | thanks Cueball |
| 00:25.26 | Jeremy-| | CutMeOwnThroat * |
| 00:25.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | Agrajag-, if you don't need a complete image, there's rsnapshot (and one program with nearly the same functionlity whose name I forgot) |
| 00:25.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | Jeremy-|, ok, so I was kidding. Sue me! |
| 00:25.49 | Jeremy-| | lol |
| 00:25.59 | Jeremy-| | all I want is a manual |
| 00:26.03 | Jeremy-| | I'm not even asking for a spoon feed! |
| 00:26.03 | Jeremy-| | :( |
| 00:26.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | what do you want to look up? |
| 00:26.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's LOTS |
| 00:26.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | !grounding |
| 00:26.32 | dpkg | Before asking in here or on the debian-user mailing list, you should read the Installation Guide, or if you already have Debian installed, the Debian Reference. Ask me about <ig>, <reference>, <refcard>, <docs>, <manuals>, <fundamentals>, <newbiedoc>, <faq>, <unix lessons>, <general cli tutorial>. (e.g. in your IRC client, type /msg dpkg reference) |
| 00:26.33 | aiux | !ipv6 |
| 00:26.33 | dpkg | Internet Protocol version 6 (IPv6) is the next-generation IP version designed to replace IPv4. Available in Debian since <potato>, full IPv6 support is a release goal for Squeeze. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIPv6 http://ipv6.debian.net/ http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Linux+IPv6-HOWTO/ http://www.ipv6.org/ #debian-ipv6 on irc.oftc.net, #ipv6 on irc.freenode.net. To disable IPv6 on your system, ask me about <noipv6>. |
| 00:26.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | ha |
| 00:26.51 | gp5st | i have an xo-1 running debxo and I'm having an issue connecting to wireless networks, when ever i run iwconfig eth0 mode managed essid network_name key network_key it just ignores it |
| 00:27.04 | gp5st | there is a msh0 interface for the mesh interface, is that preventing me? |
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| 00:31.23 | lenswipe1 | hey guys |
| 00:31.29 | lenswipe1 | im still running lenny |
| 00:31.35 | lenswipe1 | is that the latest stable version? |
| 00:31.41 | flypp | lenswipe1, yes |
| 00:31.51 | lenswipe1 | awesome thanks |
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| 00:32.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | flypp, \o/ |
| 00:32.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | !next |
| 00:32.28 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
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| 00:42.02 | Guthur | Probably would have been less typing to visit debian,org for that one |
| 00:42.07 | Guthur | .org* |
| 00:42.44 | Guthur | lol or look at the topic |
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| 00:52.20 | hackeron_ | hey, I want to add a new account that will be able to use sftp/sshfs but not be able to login -- if I set the shell to /bin/false, mount_sshfs stops working, any ideas? |
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| 00:54.00 | epsilon | ftp over TLS is not an option? |
| 00:55.27 | epsilon | providing file transfer via SSH while deny actual shell login is tricky |
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| 00:59.45 | jordanm | epsilon: no its not, just set the default shell to scponly |
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| 01:00.36 | jordanm | epsilon: it looks like he got kicked from freenode for flooding before either of us could reply though |
| 01:00.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | did you both really not see he's been killed off already? |
| 01:00.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | ah |
| 01:00.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, for spam |
| 01:01.10 | jordanm | CutMeOwnThroat: i have been trying it do it for 3 identical line flood |
| 01:01.20 | jordanm | intential, spam, or no, its auto |
| 01:01.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, thanks |
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| 01:01.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | so perhaps he was crossposting |
| 01:01.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | serves him right in that case :) |
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| 01:02.15 | jordanm | CutMeOwnThroat: hehe, yes |
| 01:02.53 | AnsiktsSkitBurk | CutMeOwnThroat: Doing so wil turn yer belly up. Are you a YellaBelly bastard that doesnt like anyone you know ? |
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| 01:03.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | again and in English this time? |
| 01:03.51 | AnsiktsSkitBurk | CutMeOwnThroat: To be positive ? |
| 01:04.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | HIV-positive? |
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| 01:04.11 | AnsiktsSkitBurk | CutMeOwnThroat: You require a dos of happix ? |
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| 01:08.42 | Kuifje111 | ok.. finally I am running debian. I have one problem however, I have no write access to / how do I get write access to fstab so I can get write access? |
| 01:08.57 | NiLon | login as root |
| 01:10.41 | Kuifje111 | i am root, what's next? |
| 01:10.51 | NiLon | then do what you need to do |
| 01:11.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | he might mean the partition is mounted read-only |
| 01:11.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | you could give us a concrete error message |
| 01:11.34 | Kuifje111 | yeah, it is. |
| 01:11.45 | gp5st | what would prevent me from setting an essid? |
| 01:11.58 | NiLon | oh I thought problem was not having write access to fstab config |
| 01:12.07 | gp5st | i do iwconfig eth0 essid network_name key network_key and it sets the key but not the essid |
| 01:12.19 | Kuifje111 | no, the whole partition is unwritable. |
| 01:12.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | in principle, mount / -o remount,rw |
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| 01:12.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | but there's probably a reason it's mounted readonly... you didn't give us many details, though |
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| 01:14.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | check dmesg for errors |
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| 01:14.27 | jordanm | gp5st: check dmesg for association failures |
| 01:14.40 | gp5st | jordanm: i didn't see anything helpful |
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| 01:15.02 | Kuifje111 | CutMeOwnThroat: that did not work. I will give you some info. http://pastebin.com/dw8FNYZm |
| 01:15.12 | jordanm | gp5st: is your wireless device _really_ eth0? |
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| 01:15.38 | gp5st | jordanm: i take that back, there is a ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): eth0: link not ready line |
| 01:15.49 | gp5st | jordanm: yes, my wifi adapter is eth0 |
| 01:15.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | what's type rootfs |
| 01:15.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | or... ubifs |
| 01:16.02 | jordanm | gp5st: what kind of card? |
| 01:16.20 | gp5st | got me there, it's an xo |
| 01:16.22 | gp5st | let me check |
| 01:16.27 | Kuifje111 | CutMeOwnThroat: it's a NAND flash drive. |
| 01:16.31 | jordanm | gp5st: lspci -nn, report the pciid |
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| 01:16.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | on WHAT are you running debian there? |
| 01:17.06 | Kuifje111 | CutMeOwnThroat: sheevaplug. ARM based PC. |
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| 01:17.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | heard of 'em |
| 01:17.21 | gp5st | jordanm: lspci -nm gives me a lot of numbers |
| 01:17.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, see if fsck has a module to deal with that and fsck it |
| 01:17.39 | jordanm | Kuifje111: there is an arm specific debian channel |
| 01:17.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | nearly looks like the drive is borked, though |
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| 01:17.58 | Kuifje111 | you sure? |
| 01:17.59 | jordanm | gp5st: thatw two "N"s not "N" "M" |
| 01:18.00 | aiux | Kuifje111, there is #debian-arm on irc.oftc.net |
| 01:18.06 | jordanm | gp5st: -nn |
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| 01:18.57 | gp5st | jordanm: gotchya i don't see anything that looks like a wifi controller. it's probably on the usb bus |
| 01:19.23 | jordanm | gp5st: check lsusb then |
| 01:19.41 | Kuifje111 | CutMeOwnThroat: any clue what I could do? |
| 01:19.46 | gp5st | my, that just makes so much sense jordanm |
| 01:19.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | Kuifje111, I thought I told you... see if you can fsck it |
| 01:19.58 | Kuifje111 | ah, ok. |
| 01:20.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | I don't see a "fsck.ubifs", though |
| 01:20.35 | jordanm | gp5st: your sarcasm is unnecessary |
| 01:20.53 | gp5st | jordanm: no, i'm serious, i didn't know lsusb existed, but that just makes sense |
| 01:21.09 | gp5st | why would i mock someone helping me:) |
| 01:21.30 | jordanm | gp5st: I have seen it all :) |
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| 01:21.34 | gp5st | there is a marvell semiconductor device, but no further description |
| 01:21.47 | gp5st | i believe the webcam is also on the usb bus |
| 01:21.49 | Kuifje111 | CutMeOwnThroat: no joy. |
| 01:21.50 | zinx | CutMeOwnThroat: don't think there is one |
| 01:21.55 | nsadmin | you'd be surprised at how many would troll helpers |
| 01:22.04 | jordanm | gp5st: just pastebin the output for both and I will have a look |
| 01:22.05 | gp5st | :-\ |
| 01:22.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | zinx, me neither... |
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| 01:22.16 | gp5st | jordanm: i'm not connected to the internet, remember? |
| 01:22.39 | nsadmin | Kuifje111: then it's time to replace the drive and restore from your backup |
| 01:22.40 | gp5st | nsadmin: that :\ was at that, that's unfortunate |
| 01:22.59 | jordanm | gp5st: dmesg | grep eth |
| 01:23.04 | Kuifje111 | nsadmin: it's not that simple. |
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| 01:23.15 | nsadmin | why? |
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| 01:23.28 | jordanm | nsadmin: embedded arm device |
| 01:23.49 | nsadmin | oh ok |
| 01:23.53 | gp5st | jordanm: [ 1164.239722] ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): eth0: link not ready |
| 01:24.09 | jordanm | wait... my logs show the same user asking for help in here for ubuntu earlier |
| 01:24.26 | jordanm | also on a sheevaplug |
| 01:24.34 | jordanm | gp5st: thats it? |
| 01:24.49 | gp5st | jordanm: according to the specs the network adapter is "Wireless networking using an âExtended Rangeâ 802.11b/g and 802.11s (mesh) Marvell 8388 wireless chip" |
| 01:25.06 | gp5st | jordanm: the result of dmesg | grep eth |
| 01:25.15 | jordanm | gp5st: I am not familar with that |
| 01:25.25 | jordanm | gp5st: is this a new laptop? |
| 01:25.36 | gp5st | i've had it for a few years, it's an xo-1 |
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| 01:26.38 | gp5st | i forget if i ever got debian working, the fedora install that comes on the build-in flash disk has it working, and other people say that network manager just does it and works, but i'm in xfce and i don't have network manager |
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| 01:27.08 | jordanm | gp5st: you can run network-manager in xfce |
| 01:27.25 | jordanm | gp5st: I would actually check to see if it is running and kill it if so |
| 01:27.27 | gp5st | jordanm: the applet? |
| 01:27.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | gp5st, I think I missed something - is the kernel-module for that wireless loaded or not? |
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| 01:27.41 | jordanm | gp5st: no, not the applet. the service and configuration gui though |
| 01:27.42 | gp5st | CutMeOwnThroat: i can scan for networks |
| 01:27.47 | gp5st | oh |
| 01:27.55 | gp5st | what's the command for that? and i have killed it off |
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| 01:28.01 | aiux | gp5st, is thayt one ? > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OLPC_XO-1 |
| 01:28.10 | gp5st | aiux: yeah |
| 01:28.12 | aiux | thayt /that * |
| 01:28.23 | jordanm | gp5st: if network-manager was running and you just killed it, try associating again |
| 01:28.37 | jordanm | !wicd |
| 01:28.37 | dpkg | hmm... wicd is Wireless Interface Connection Daemon, a wired and <wireless connection manager>. A backported package is available for Lenny, ask me about <bpo>. See also <netdev>. http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#wicd http://wicd.sf.net/ #wicd on irc.freenode.net. |
| 01:28.39 | gp5st | i've been talking to someone on #olpc, but i thought maybe someone here would be able to help since it's a debian based distro |
| 01:28.45 | gp5st | jordanm: it's been dead this whole time |
| 01:28.50 | jordanm | gp5st: also, wicd is in backports |
| 01:29.17 | gp5st | doesn't seem to be installed |
| 01:29.30 | jordanm | gp5st: yes, you have to install it |
| 01:29.35 | aiux | gp5st, Operating system Fedora-based (Linux), |
| 01:29.36 | jordanm | ,depends wicd |
| 01:29.37 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'wicd' was found in lenny/i386. |
| 01:29.47 | jordanm | ,depends wicd --release lenny-backports |
| 01:29.48 | judd | wicd -- depends: debconf (>= 0.5) | debconf-2.0, python, python-support (>= 0.7.1), python-gtk2, python-urwid, python-dbus, wpasupplicant, python-glade2, wireless-tools, dhcpcd | dhcp3-client | pump | udhcpc, net-tools | ethtool, net-tools | iproute, adduser, lsb-base (>= 3.2-13), psmisc, iputils-ping | inetutils-ping. |
| 01:29.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | Kuifje111, http://www.linux-mtd.infradead.org/doc/ubifs.html#L_overview |
| 01:30.20 | gp5st | aiux: no, i said the install it comes with is fedora based, this is a whole other disk with a debian distro on it |
| 01:30.36 | Kuifje111 | CutMeOwnThroat: all right. thanks! |
| 01:30.55 | aiux | gp5st, which distro? ubuntu ? |
| 01:31.03 | jordanm | gp5st: I would expect the driver to be good if scanning works properly |
| 01:31.03 | gp5st | aiux: debxo |
| 01:31.23 | aiux | so ask #debxo id exist .. |
| 01:31.28 | aiux | if* |
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| 01:31.34 | gp5st | jordanm: well it works with network manager apperntly |
| 01:31.51 | jordanm | gp5st: ah, good |
| 01:32.07 | jordanm | aiux: it appears to be a pure-blend and not a "based on debian" |
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| 01:32.28 | aiux | dunno .. |
| 01:32.48 | gp5st | aiux: i've asked on #debxo (on another netowrk) and #olpc, i thought maybe i could find something here, the guy helping me, well, i feel like i've exhausted his expertise:( |
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| 01:33.06 | jordanm | aiux: eh... yeah I take that back |
| 01:33.15 | jordanm | !based on debian |
| 01:33.15 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it probably falls short of Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is off-topic on #debian. |
| 01:33.31 | gp5st | jordanm: sorry if i mispkoke on it's lineage |
| 01:34.11 | gp5st | sorry jordanm :-\ |
| 01:34.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | Kuifje111, I guess that really is a raw flash device you have there, not some type of block device... |
| 01:34.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | apart from that, the document seems to say you can throw at it what you want |
| 01:34.37 | Kuifje111 | CutMeOwnThroat: yes, I think you're right. |
| 01:34.39 | jordanm | gp5st: I did not mind helping in this case, but is consider off-topic for the channel |
| 01:35.06 | Kuifje111 | CutMeOwnThroat: I still dont know how to mount it though. |
| 01:35.10 | gp5st | jordanm: thank you |
| 01:35.21 | jordanm | gp5st: np |
| 01:35.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | Kuifje111, it'd seem you can't because the drive is broken |
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| 01:36.27 | Kuifje111 | CutMeOwnThroat: it's in read only mode, because the drive is broken? |
| 01:37.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | Kuifje111, it's in read-only mode because the drive is marked unclean... which should never happen on a journaling filesystem PLUS you get those IO errors |
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| 01:38.14 | Kuifje111 | CutMeOwnThroat: it used to work fine, but I installed debian on it and now I get this. |
| 01:39.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | Kuifje111, one second, but you are using block devices... sda1 and so on |
| 01:39.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | I've never used that filesystem, but the document I linked you to says you must not |
| 01:39.49 | Kuifje111 | there are no sda devices in /dev though. |
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| 01:40.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, actually I'm not sure what you did... it says "was on sdaX during installation" |
| 01:40.40 | Kuifje111 | yeah.. I installed onto the USB stick first then copied it to the flash. |
| 01:40.50 | Kuifje111 | couldnt install it straight to the flash. |
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| 01:41.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | ah\ |
| 01:41.26 | aiux | Kuifje111, there is #debian-arm on irc.oftc.net |
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| 01:42.40 | Kuifje111 | aiux: yes, I am there already. |
| 01:42.54 | jordanm | Kuifje111: there is also a mailing list |
| 01:44.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | interesting, wikipedia said the N900 also uses that FS in their installation |
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| 01:46.02 | Kuifje111 | that fstab file? oh.. |
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| 02:39.22 | zebradog_ | hi |
| 02:40.27 | zebradog_ | wonders if ahci is faster >> legacy mode in bios |
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| 02:44.59 | johnfg | hey guys. |
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| 02:45.27 | johnfg | I thought I'd try google chrome. Downloaded the .deb package, and installed it on lenny. |
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| 02:46.08 | johnfg | However, after installing it with np's, and it appearing in the Applications/Internet menu, it doesn't come up! What's with this? |
| 02:46.22 | zebradog_ | dumb question, does grub1 or grub2 is stable with ahci for debian? i'm gonna try achi mode in bios |
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| 02:46.49 | zebradog_ | figures a mod for ahci needs to be included with his kernel |
| 02:47.10 | frostschutz | zebradog_: I don't have issues with grub1 and ahci, naturally the kernel has to support it |
| 02:47.19 | zebradog_ | frostschutz, thanks :) |
| 02:48.38 | zebradog_ | frostschutz, would you happen to know of any performance benefit over legacy mode? |
| 02:49.00 | zebradog_ | i'm wondering how much difference in speed it'll make.. |
| 02:49.08 | zebradog_ | is currently backing up his system first |
| 02:49.19 | zebradog_ | 'am backing up before i try this.. |
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| 02:49.45 | frostschutz | zebradog_: dont expect too much :P |
| 02:50.10 | abrotman | johnfg: try running it from an xterm |
| 02:50.17 | zebradog_ | frostschutz, what's considered fast in copying between sata2 harddrives? 60mb/sec ? |
| 02:50.18 | abrotman | zebradog_: ##hardware is probably better |
| 02:50.23 | zebradog_ | ah |
| 02:50.48 | zebradog_ | abrotman, sure, but i know this debian install will work.. just collecting view points :) |
| 02:50.48 | frostschutz | zebradog_: utilizing the full speed of the disk would be considered fast, anything else slow :) |
| 02:51.20 | abrotman | zebradog_: i'm just saying that ##hardware would probbaly know more about theoretical SATA speeds |
| 02:51.53 | zebradog_ | "Cannot join channel (+r) - you need to be identified with services" |
| 02:52.01 | zebradog_ | abrotman, what does this message mean? |
| 02:52.10 | zebradog_ | tried ##hardware |
| 02:52.36 | abrotman | zebradog_: /msg nickserv help |
| 02:52.36 | zebradog_ | nmind |
| 02:52.37 | zebradog_ | lol |
| 02:52.44 | abrotman | you have to register |
| 02:52.52 | zebradog_ | i just did that command, must be my new irc client app here :) |
| 02:53.01 | zebradog_ | fixed ;) |
| 02:53.48 | zoredache | Is there any way to have new devices added automatically added to a software RAID? |
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| 02:55.26 | zebradog_ | zoredache, i don't believe so, raid i believe should always be set carefully |
| 02:56.23 | zebradog_ | zoredache, there are probably very advanced products that can do this. especially with cluster setups |
| 02:56.42 | neoice | if I build a kernel in /usr/src/linux, does it create initramfs or do I need to do that by hand? |
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| 02:58.29 | zebradog_ | !make-kpkg |
| 02:58.29 | dpkg | make-kpkg is, like, the tool that you use for compiling the kernel the Debian Way (tm). It makes a package for your custom kernel which you can install and remove easily using dpkg. See http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-kernel.html , man make-kpkg and ask me about <kernel compile> <kp mantra> <kernel build-deps>. |
| 02:59.00 | zoredache | zebradog_: thats what I thought, I was just looking for confirmation. |
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| 03:00.29 | neoice | zebradog_: thanks. what if I want to do it the non-Debian way, like for a Xen domU? the kernel/initramfs needs to be in the host OS's file system. |
| 03:00.39 | neoice | and I dont really want or need a .deb for that. |
| 03:00.56 | zebradog_ | neoice, it does it tarballs too |
| 03:01.12 | zebradog_ | neoice, it's one of its options somewhere |
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| 03:01.37 | neoice | zebradog_: alright, I'll look into it |
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| 03:02.36 | zebradog_ | neoice, you can always use the vanilla tools, like make, etc.. |
| 03:02.56 | zebradog_ | neoice, but i haven't compiled for quite a long time.. |
| 03:03.44 | neoice | zebradog_: yeah, I'm doing just `make menuconfig` right now. but I need the initramfs too. it looks like it might make one in 'init' but I'm not sure |
| 03:04.18 | zebradog_ | neoice, check if there's an ramfs option with menuconfig |
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| 03:07.01 | zebradog_ | i guess my copying between sata is not bad.. backing up 158gigs, initially said 5 hours about half hour ago.. now says 20 minutes hihi |
| 03:07.22 | zebradog_ | then i can try that ahci thingy :) |
| 03:07.39 | zebradog_ | knows he'll break grub and will need to fix that |
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| 03:11.20 | funyun | noob here. can someone help me install this on debian? http://packages.debian.org/unstable/net/deluge-torrent , when i download that .deb file and attempt to install, i get this.. http://pastebin.com/uDkxYn3C |
| 03:12.19 | neoice | funyun: dependency issues. any reason you're not installing from the repos using `aptitude` or `synaptic`? |
| 03:12.44 | neoice | funyun: generally, downloading .debs and installing them by hand isnt the way you do things |
| 03:13.00 | funyun | neoice: i need the newest version of deluge. is there a way to do that with aptitude? |
| 03:13.23 | xuser | What terminal supports url hyperlinking? |
| 03:13.37 | zebradog_ | funyun, wikipedia has great pointers, but dont do silly things like "unstable" << stuff that say unstable can freeze your system |
| 03:13.53 | zebradog_ | funyun, unless you're sure you know a few tricks to unfreeze things |
| 03:13.55 | neoice | funyun: there's a whole bunch, but I dont think any of them are noob friendly. I like apt-pinning. |
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| 03:14.30 | funyun | zebradog_: the newest version is the only version allowed on trackers :( |
| 03:14.32 | neoice | funyun: also zebradog_ is right, unstable can have some... issues. another thing to consider is if you need the "newest" version according to a developer, they probably mean the svn version and even unstable tends to lag that |
| 03:14.35 | funyun | neoice: can you help me with that? |
| 03:14.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions deluge-torrent |
| 03:14.43 | judd | deluge-torrent -- etch-backports: 0.5.0-2~bpo.1; lenny: 0.5.9.3-1; sid: 1.2.3-1; squeeze: 1.2.3-1 |
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| 03:14.56 | neoice | yikes |
| 03:14.59 | funyun | i need 1.2.3 |
| 03:15.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | funyun, what version of debian are you using |
| 03:15.15 | funyun | CutMeOwnThroat: lenny |
| 03:15.17 | neoice | funyun: this is the tutorial I used: http://jaqque.sbih.org/kplug/apt-pinning.html |
| 03:15.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | funyun, well, there's 0.5.0 in bpo... |
| 03:15.46 | neoice | funyun: again, running not Stable (Lenny) might cause some issues and challenge you. if you want to learn, go for it |
| 03:15.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | neoice, don't suggest mixing distributions please |
| 03:15.59 | zebradog_ | !bpo |
| 03:16.00 | dpkg | backports.org is a semi-official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://deb.li/bpoi . A sample line for your sources.list is: deb http://www.backports.org/debian lenny-backports main contrib non-free. Once added: "aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update". <bpo mirrors> <bpo contents> <bpo list> <backports-users> |
| 03:16.21 | neoice | CutMeOwnThroat: why does pinning exist if its not recommended? |
| 03:16.30 | zebradog_ | i never heard of pinning |
| 03:16.34 | zebradog_ | wtf is that? |
| 03:16.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | funyun, if you think that's too old you have to backport it yourself (which might be difficult, depending on how many newer libraries it needs) |
| 03:16.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | neoice, for the people who want to mix anyways and are prepared (and able!) to pick up the pieces |
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| 03:17.11 | neoice | zebradog_: it lets you do something like "I'm running Stable, but scan the Testing repo too and if I tell you to install something from Testing, then do it!" |
| 03:17.11 | funyun | CutMeOwnThroat: yes. that version would be fine with me. but all versions older than 1.2.3 are banned at trackers :( |
| 03:17.13 | zebradog_ | !~tell neoice about pinning |
| 03:17.17 | zebradog_ | :) |
| 03:17.37 | zebradog_ | i think pinning looks good (for very experienced users of course) |
| 03:17.42 | funyun | CutMeOwnThroat: do you know of a tutorial that will show me how to do that? |
| 03:17.44 | zebradog_ | looks more into pinning |
| 03:18.01 | neoice | zebradog_: like the -t flag on apt-get, but on steroids |
| 03:18.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | neoice, you're not supposed to ask in here if you mixed versions and kind of deliberately broke your system - and so in here we're also not supposed to recommend something that is likely to cause breakage |
| 03:18.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | !ssb |
| 03:18.13 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old |
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| 03:18.40 | zebradog_ | funyun, i believe someone above mentioned backports, there may be a very late suitable one from there.. |
| 03:18.55 | zebradog_ | !~tell funyun about bpo |
| 03:19.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | funyun, ^^^ if you need the version from testing/unstable, this is what you should do... |
| 03:19.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell zebradog_ -about selftell |
| 03:19.44 | funyun | CutMeOwnThroat: okay. thank you. :) |
| 03:19.59 | zebradog_ | CutMeOwnThroat, yep, he must of missed me telling about bpo.. |
| 03:20.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | funyun, that can be as easy as described - but it gets pretty tedious, if the new version depends on other packages that are _also_ not in lenny... |
| 03:21.13 | zebradog_ | CutMeOwnThroat, he's so new, he couldn't decipher how to resolve dependencies with dpkg -i.. |
| 03:21.19 | zebradog_ | CutMeOwnThroat, no offense |
| 03:21.58 | neoice | run Squeeze |
| 03:22.08 | neoice | or Ubuntu |
| 03:22.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | zebradog_, well... better problems now trying to backport than problems in two weeks, when mixing has messed up dependencies, no? |
| 03:23.10 | zebradog_ | "<judd> deluge-torrent -- etch-backports: 0.5.0-2~bpo.1; lenny: 0.5.9.3-1; sid: 1.2.3-1; squeeze: 1.2.3-1" |
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| 03:23.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | zebradog_, of course... they're both ways to learn about debian and the way things are done... but ... do you suggest I should recommend the one that teaches this the "hard way" by teaching how not to do things? |
| 03:23.28 | zebradog_ | dunno, does he need any very close numbers judd mentioned? |
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| 03:23.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | zebradog_, yes, testing/unstable... he said 1.2 |
| 03:24.01 | zebradog_ | he can learn how to use bleeding edge stuff.. but he sure has alot to learn about dpkg and dependencies etc.. |
| 03:24.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | why am I telling you this? you got a backlog, too! |
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| 03:24.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | well... who doesn't |
| 03:25.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions miro |
| 03:25.26 | judd | miro -- lenny: 1.2.3-2; squeeze: 2.5.3-1; sid: 3.0.1-2 |
| 03:25.29 | zebradog_ | CutMeOwnThroat, i've done this once, ahem, I used a package from a ubuntu repo. hihihihi |
| 03:25.46 | zebradog_ | CutMeOwnThroat, i downloaded 1 or 2 .debs ... but never the repo |
| 03:25.52 | zebradog_ | CutMeOwnThroat, sorry :< |
| 03:25.54 | zebradog_ | hehehe |
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| 03:25.58 | debugger- | http://www.112chan.ro/j/res/803.html#803 |
| 03:26.08 | funyun | when adding backports and using the "aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update" command. can this be done with sudo? or must i be root? |
| 03:26.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | I'd given up on backporting miro2 although I wanted to try it... (and nobody did it for bpo)... there's just too many dependencies that have to be satisfied from testing |
| 03:26.28 | zebradog_ | !ops debugger spam |
| 03:26.28 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: zebradog_ complains about: debugger spam |
| 03:26.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | zebradog_, too late |
| 03:26.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | didn't you see he's already kicked? |
| 03:26.43 | funyun | i get Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root? |
| 03:26.48 | zebradog_ | CutMeOwnThroat, you fast ;) |
| 03:26.50 | wols | funyun: of course it can be done via sudo |
| 03:26.53 | zebradog_ | mwa! |
| 03:26.55 | MrPancake | CutMeOwnThroat: Not kicked. Killed. |
| 03:26.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | zebradog_, not me... a bot |
| 03:27.06 | wols | funyun: you need to do it properly of course |
| 03:27.15 | zebradog_ | smart bot.. |
| 03:27.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | MrPancake, that's what I meant... my fingers typed something else |
| 03:27.47 | funyun | wols: this is what i did http://pastebin.com/35Z0FkZr |
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| 03:30.44 | thepro4ever | hey guys |
| 03:31.11 | thepro4ever | i'm trying to install bitchx via 'apt-get install bitchx' and its telling me it can't find the package |
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| 03:31.27 | zebradog_ | ok, i'm ready to try ahci in bios, i know grub will, break, can i just simply do grub-install <device> ? or i also have to edit another file on the debian system? (anyone knows about this?) |
| 03:31.48 | funyun | i get E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13 Permission denied) anyone know why? |
| 03:32.00 | zebradog_ | thepro4ever, bitchx was taken out of repo long ago |
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| 03:32.06 | wols | funyun: every aptitude command needs a sudo/root priviledges there |
| 03:32.19 | wols | !bitchx |
| 03:32.19 | dpkg | BitchX is an old and unmaintained <IRC> client built on epic and ircII. It was abandoned by its upstream, has known security issues and was removed from Debian post-Etch to resolve bug #451373. Ask me instead about <irssi>, <xchat>, <konversation>, <weechat>. Irssi users can ask me about <bitchxignore>. |
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| 03:32.23 | wols | thepro4ever: use irssi |
| 03:32.36 | funyun | wols: is "sudo aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update" correct? |
| 03:32.55 | wols | funyun: no |
| 03:33.24 | thepro4ever | vol, is there an easy way to install irssi? |
| 03:33.38 | wols | thepro4ever: yes. just install it |
| 03:34.01 | funyun | wols: can you tell me how i can use sudo to install it? |
| 03:34.10 | wols | funyun: I already did |
| 03:34.11 | thepro4ever | vols, damn |
| 03:35.10 | funyun | wols: 23:24 < wols> funyun: you need to do it properly of course <-- this you mean? |
| 03:35.20 | wols | funyun: no I don't. |
| 03:36.18 | funyun | wols: that and "23:29 < wols> funyun: every aptitude command needs a sudo/root priviledges there" are the only things you've told me about sudo |
| 03:36.58 | thepro4ever | vols, notice this doesn't mention irssi available for debian |
| 03:37.00 | thepro4ever | vols http://www.irssi.org/download |
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| 03:37.41 | wols | thepro4ever: how do you install things in debian? |
| 03:38.01 | funyun | can anyone tell me what i did wrong while trying to install backports? http://pastebin.com/35Z0FkZr |
| 03:38.04 | dbbolton | emerge |
| 03:38.06 | thepro4ever | vols, i've been using it for about 2 days now, the last thing i installed i used apt-get |
| 03:38.16 | thepro4ever | vols, i'm brand new to linux |
| 03:38.25 | wols | thepro4ever: and that's how you do it |
| 03:38.37 | thepro4ever | vols, how do i know what the package name is |
| 03:38.46 | wols | !tell thepro4ever about search |
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| 03:38.59 | xuser | How do I see with files where installed by a package? |
| 03:39.07 | xuser | s/with/which |
| 03:39.11 | woodworks | !tell woodworks about search |
| 03:39.16 | wols | xuser: dpkg -L |
| 03:39.22 | wols | !tell woodworks about msgthebot |
| 03:39.26 | xuser | wols: thanks |
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| 03:40.35 | thepro4ever | vols, my search returns 'pork - Console-based AOL Instant Messenger & IRC client' . do I put the whole line in a apt-get? |
| 03:40.36 | funyun | wols will help everyone but me :'( |
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| 03:40.51 | wols | funyun: I already helped you. you not being able to read is not my problem |
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| 03:41.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | <wols> funyun: every aptitude command needs a sudo/root priviledges there |
| 03:41.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | this one |
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| 03:41.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | I found it! What did I win? |
| 03:41.39 | funyun | CutMeOwnThroat: you win my respect |
| 03:41.46 | wols | CutMeOwnThroat: an hour mandatory help for peole like funyun |
| 03:41.50 | funyun | CutMeOwnThroat: but can you tell me what that means? |
| 03:41.51 | wols | *people |
| 03:41.53 | spersaud | CutMeOwnThroat: what did you find ? |
| 03:42.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | wols, you're mean! |
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| 03:42.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | spersaud, the secret of eternal youth, but I'm not telling |
| 03:42.31 | woodworks | pastes a gold star on CutMeOwnThroat's forehead |
| 03:42.36 | spersaud | CutMeOwnThroat: ahah |
| 03:42.46 | DrDigital | do they make a motherboard that can handle dual LGA 775 |
| 03:43.01 | wols | DrDigital: no |
| 03:43.13 | wols | DrDigital: ##hardware |
| 03:43.20 | spersaud | DrDigital: I am sure they do, see newegg.com |
| 03:43.29 | wols | spersaud: you are very very mistaken |
| 03:43.57 | funyun | can anyone tell me how to give every aptitude comman a sudo/root privilege there? |
| 03:44.04 | spersaud | wols: probably |
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| 03:45.33 | mmnicolas | hi people, im back to debian!! |
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| 03:45.51 | funyun | mmnicolas: you're finally back! can you help me out? |
| 03:46.13 | mmnicolas | probably |
| 03:46.16 | spersaud | mmnicolas: what else did you try? open-suse ubuntu? windows, hehe .. |
| 03:46.35 | funyun | mmnicolas: i need to know what this riddle means "every aptitude command needs a sudo/root priviledges there" |
| 03:47.08 | spersaud | funyun: riddle, thats one way to put it |
| 03:47.13 | mmnicolas | spersaud: spent the last two years with ubuntu, a few months with sidux, but i missed the trouble-free debian/stable |
| 03:47.39 | funyun | mmnicolas: spersaud: i'm trying to install backports. but this is what it gives me.. http://pastebin.com/35Z0FkZr |
| 03:47.41 | mmnicolas | funyun: it means package management needs administrator privileges |
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| 03:49.19 | Tramp | funyun: "sudo foo && bar" runs "bar" after "sudo foo" succeeded |
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| 03:50.00 | funyun | Tramp: ahh i see. thank you :) |
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| 03:50.19 | zebradog_ | funyun, 3 steps to work with installing packages, 1-have a good repo setting, 2-update apt's cache(will look for "description headers from the defined repos", 3- aptitude install <packagename> (which will download based on the description headers |
| 03:50.42 | mmnicolas | its amazing how the gnu/linux has evolved, i remember the times were i was the only one of my few friends to finally had Xfree working... |
| 03:51.21 | mmnicolas | windowmaker was the top-notch window manager :P |
| 03:51.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | is! |
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| 03:52.00 | dbbolton | and bash was considered state-of-the-art |
| 03:52.02 | zebradog_ | funyun, if aptitude cries about package not found, then its not in the repos, or maybe you should search for a name near to what you're installing |
| 03:52.12 | mmnicolas | dbbolton: it still is isnt it ?! |
| 03:52.29 | dbbolton | zsh makes bash look like csh |
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| 03:52.47 | spersaud | mmnicolas: I was running slackware , way back like 11 years ago, used to recompile the kernel on my dual p3 500 which used to be fast |
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| 03:53.37 | mmnicolas | spersaud: you were better suited than me, i had a pentium 120mhz running redhat 5.1 or something like that :P |
| 03:54.21 | mmnicolas | building a kernel used to take my whole afternoon |
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| 03:54.56 | mmnicolas | and they often ended up at less than 1MB |
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| 03:55.45 | mmnicolas | ahh those old good times, were i used some exploit named "teardrop" massively on irc to crash all those windows machines :) |
| 03:56.35 | CoJaBo-Aztec | What do I do if the installer stalls at Installing grub-common? |
| 03:57.07 | mmnicolas | CoJaBo-Aztec: i'd go crazy. |
| 03:58.02 | CoJaBo-Aztec | Thought itd be better than Ubuntu. At least Ubuntu installed :/ Fail. |
| 03:58.11 | dbbolton | why the hell has omploader been down for like a month |
| 03:58.56 | spersaud | mmnicolas: yep |
| 03:59.22 | zebradog_ | CoJaBo-Aztec, try setting the hd, as the first primary hd maybe |
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| 04:00.42 | Arrowmaster | so i need to know how to disable compositing in metacity using gconf from the command line |
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| 04:00.44 | CoJaBo-Aztec | zebradog_: I used the default settings in the installer, and now its stuck there with no way out. |
| 04:02.58 | dbbolton | Arrowmaster: man -k gconf |
| 04:03.28 | dbbolton | why do you "need" to do that? |
| 04:03.45 | Arrowmaster | because im stuck on an 80 char wide VT right now |
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| 04:04.26 | Arrowmaster | X display bugged out and is showing only my desktop background but when i right click i get the xchat menu |
| 04:04.41 | dbbolton | i think you mean, "compositing precludes running X" or something? |
| 04:04.56 | Arrowmaster | no X is running |
| 04:05.02 | Arrowmaster | just not in a usable state |
| 04:05.18 | CoJaBo-Aztec | If I hard reboot this thing, will it just let me resume at installing grub? |
| 04:05.29 | dbbolton | install openbox and use the gnome-openbox session |
| 04:05.33 | Arrowmaster | ive had this happen once before but it wasnt this bad, i was able to open the gconf gui and toggle compositing off in metacity and it fixed itself |
| 04:06.09 | dbbolton | CoJaBo-Aztec: choose rescue mode |
| 04:06.38 | mmnicolas | Arrowmaster: i just did something to remove the wireframe animation, its called Reduced resouces |
| 04:06.47 | CoJaBo-Aztec | dbbolton: Wheres that at? |
| 04:06.57 | dbbolton | CoJaBo-Aztec: the menu... |
| 04:07.18 | mmnicolas | in gconf-editor, /apps/metacity/general/reduced_resources |
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| 04:07.33 | mmnicolas | might be what your looking for |
| 04:07.57 | dbbolton | mmnicolas: he doesn't have access to gconf-editor |
| 04:08.10 | mmnicolas | sure i can find you what the command |
| 04:08.53 | mmnicolas | gconftool-2 --type bool --set /apps/metacity/general/reduced_resources true |
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| 04:09.56 | dbbolton | where is the compositing key |
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| 04:10.04 | mmnicolas | there isnt any afaik |
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| 04:10.51 | dbbolton | maybe he's using mutter |
| 04:11.29 | mmnicolas | CoJaBo-Aztec: so ? |
| 04:11.56 | CoJaBo-Aztec | Waiting for rescue mode to boot |
| 04:12.05 | Arrowmaster | i found it but toggling it from the a VT didnt seem to do anything |
| 04:13.14 | CoJaBo-Aztec | mmnicolas: Is it supposed to ask me all the questions i just answered?? |
| 04:13.23 | dbbolton | CoJaBo-Aztec: yes |
| 04:13.37 | dbbolton | then it will ask what you want to do. pick restore grub |
| 04:14.32 | CoJaBo-Aztec | dbbolton: I can execute a shell in /dev/hda1 or in installer environment? |
| 04:14.43 | CoJaBo-Aztec | Theres no restore grub option |
| 04:15.01 | dbbolton | i guess grub didn't install |
| 04:15.19 | dbbolton | what release are you trying to install? |
| 04:15.23 | CoJaBo-Aztec | No, it didnt. That was the problem Im trying to fix. |
| 04:15.33 | CoJaBo-Aztec | Whatever release is latest. |
| 04:15.45 | dbbolton | mistake number 1 |
| 04:15.50 | CoJaBo-Aztec | ? |
| 04:16.00 | aiux | !fixmbr |
| 04:16.00 | dpkg | To reinstall <GRUB> simply boot to your Debian install disk, live CD or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc), then chroot into it (chroot /target) and run "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". Also ask me about <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>. |
| 04:16.00 | dbbolton | if you don't want shit to break, use stable |
| 04:16.36 | CoJaBo-Aztec | dbbolton: Latest stable, I mean |
| 04:16.42 | dbbolton | ah |
| 04:17.07 | dbbolton | which version of grub did you choose originally? |
| 04:17.32 | CoJaBo-Aztec | the recomended one (not 2) |
| 04:18.15 | dbbolton | that's pretty shocking |
| 04:18.20 | CoJaBo-Aztec | ? |
| 04:18.38 | dbbolton | that it broke |
| 04:18.58 | dbbolton | choose execute a shell and follow the instructions that dpkg gave |
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| 04:20.35 | CoJaBo-Aztec | dbbolton: Trying that now- the console is horrificly slow for some reason.. :/ |
| 04:20.46 | dbbolton | what kind of machine is it |
| 04:21.05 | CoJaBo-Aztec | VirtualBox running on a Celeron :/ |
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| 04:21.38 | CoJaBo-Aztec | The screen redrawing is still vastly slower than normal, but only ever in the installers. Strange. |
| 04:21.40 | dbbolton | openbsd is even slow in VBox |
| 04:23.00 | CoJaBo-Aztec | Yay, it bots! |
| 04:24.23 | CoJaBo-Aztec | ..slowly |
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| 04:25.16 | CoJaBo-Aztec | Ok, now it wont let me login? |
| 04:25.58 | Arrowmaster | ok that was weird, i killed the starcraft2 beta installer and X started working properly again |
| 04:25.59 | dbbolton | did you add a root password |
| 04:26.21 | CoJaBo-Aztec | no, just an account |
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| 04:26.36 | dbbolton | boot "recovery mode" |
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| 04:27.06 | dbbolton | i recommend always setting one in the future |
| 04:27.32 | CoJaBo-Aztec | Ive never had this step fail before. |
| 04:28.24 | Emmanuel_Chanel | Hello! |
| 04:28.45 | CoJaBo-Aztec | dbbolton: What do i do when this starts? |
| 04:28.56 | Emmanuel_Chanel | When is squeeze going to be released as the stable one? |
| 04:28.58 | dbbolton | the root account set up comes before the regular user account setup IIRC |
| 04:29.15 | Emmanuel_Chanel | I don't know even the basic plan... |
| 04:29.19 | dbbolton | CoJaBo-Aztec: run, passwd your-user-name |
| 04:29.33 | dbbolton | Emmanuel_Chanel: when it's ready |
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| 04:30.20 | dondelelcaro | !tell Emmanuel_Chanel -about wwsr |
| 04:31.01 | Emmanuel_Chanel | thx. |
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| 04:31.40 | mmnicolas | ok now im going crazy, i spend like 3 hours waiting for rhythmbox to scan my 22k music collection |
| 04:32.08 | mmnicolas | and not the counter goes does, and the Missing files goes up |
| 04:32.15 | dbbolton | mistake number 1: trusting rhythmbox |
| 04:32.21 | mmnicolas | like everything it is missing |
| 04:32.23 | CoJaBo-Aztec | dbbolton: Whats the command to create an account? It didnt get created at all during the install. |
| 04:32.39 | dbbolton | CoJaBo-Aztec: adduser |
| 04:32.56 | mmnicolas | dbbolton: what do you trust for such a huge collection ? other than amarok |
| 04:33.08 | dbbolton | mmnicolas: mpd |
| 04:33.11 | mmnicolas | something that use gtk |
| 04:33.18 | dbbolton | sonanta |
| 04:33.30 | simonrvn | mpd is a backend, has a bunch of frontends |
| 04:33.31 | mmnicolas | something with a last.fm plugin |
| 04:33.38 | dbbolton | sonata |
| 04:33.40 | simonrvn | has that |
| 04:33.41 | mmnicolas | hrm really |
| 04:33.45 | dbbolton | or quodlibet |
| 04:33.48 | simonrvn | mpdscribble e.g. |
| 04:33.59 | dbbolton | quodlibet is independent of mpd |
| 04:34.28 | dbbolton | maybe exaile, sort of the Gtk version of amarok |
| 04:35.27 | mmnicolas | ill try out sonato |
| 04:35.38 | simonrvn | !tell mmnicolas -about search |
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| 04:36.36 | CoJaBo-Aztec | dbbolton: Thanks, looks like it works now :) |
| 04:37.15 | dbbolton | "aptitude search" doesn't offer opinions based on human experience, however |
| 04:37.59 | blahdeblah | Hi. I'm trying to get started with preseed images using the netboot CD, and i seem to be missing something. I'm using this guide: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/apbs01.html.en, and i can't find where to type "auto url=autoserver". Any suggestions as to which menu option to select? When i choose automated installation, it complains about CD drivers, even though the netboot CD finds it fine if i use manual installation. |
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| 04:38.41 | dbbolton | blahdeblah: probably at the boot prompt |
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| 04:38.49 | CoJaBo-Aztec | Does debian have something like sudo? |
| 04:39.32 | simonrvn | yes |
| 04:39.51 | dbbolton | CoJaBo-Aztec: aptitude search sudo |
| 04:40.01 | dbbolton | apt-cache policy sudo |
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| 04:40.22 | blahdeblah | dbbolton: There's no prompt; if i hit tab, i get a big long boot string, and i'm not sure where i should be putting the url=autoserver (before or after the --) |
| 04:40.23 | mmnicolas | simonrvn: excuse me, i know pretty well how to use apt to search for package, what i wanted is opinion from real people. |
| 04:40.48 | dbbolton | blahdeblah: at the very end. hit the "End" key |
| 04:40.54 | blahdeblah | I tried that |
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| 04:41.04 | simonrvn | yawns |
| 04:41.06 | blahdeblah | It just drops me into the normal manual installer |
| 04:41.22 | dbbolton | blahdeblah: did you search for existing bugs |
| 04:41.45 | blahdeblah | No, i figured the installer would work as documented. Silly me. ;-) |
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| 04:42.51 | dbbolton | personally i don't have any experience with automated installs |
| 04:43.14 | CoJaBo-Aztec | Er, there isnt even a shutdown command? |
| 04:43.21 | simonrvn | mmnicolas: you're excused |
| 04:43.34 | blahdeblah | Anyone who does have experience with automated installs have any ideas? |
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| 04:44.07 | dbbolton | CoJaBo-Aztec: shutdown |
| 04:44.11 | dbbolton | or init |
| 04:44.15 | CoJaBo-Aztec | "command not found" |
| 04:44.22 | MeglaW | how do i change resolution in text mode? |
| 04:44.33 | dondelelcaro | MeglaW: with vgamode or fbset or similar |
| 04:44.33 | blahdeblah | CoJaBo-Aztec: You're probably not root and so /sbin is not on your path |
| 04:44.42 | CoJaBo-Aztec | Ah |
| 04:44.59 | zebradog_ | MeglaW, add vga=ask to bootline, then use vga=0x<hexnum> on bootline in grub |
| 04:44.59 | dbbolton | CoJaBo-Aztec: su -c "shutdown -h now" |
| 04:45.17 | MeglaW | i dont wanna reboot |
| 04:45.22 | MeglaW | can i do it live? |
| 04:45.36 | zebradog_ | MeglaW, you can try what dondelelcaro said |
| 04:46.11 | MeglaW | aha |
| 04:46.19 | MeglaW | fbset -v 640x480-60 type of command |
| 04:46.24 | MeglaW | thx guys. .) |
| 04:46.26 | dondelelcaro | blahdeblah: url= should work; you shouldn't even to do anything |
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| 04:46.37 | dondelelcaro | blahdeblah: however, if your preseed file is incomplete, you will get asked questions |
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| 04:51.54 | blahdeblah | dondelelcaro: Looks like it needs language & stuff if i boot from netinst without remastering the CD. It complained about the URL being unable to be retrieved after i selected language, region, & keyboard layout. |
| 04:52.12 | Walhter | the unstable version of hd-media installer can not find mini.iso |
| 04:52.40 | Walhter | how can I install without use of cd disk |
| 04:53.12 | MeglaW | usb, hdd, pxe etc |
| 04:53.18 | MeglaW | i recomend pxe Walhter |
| 04:53.25 | blahdeblah | dondelelcaro: It also needed me to manually select the NIC |
| 04:54.07 | dondelelcaro | blahdeblah: if its a network url, it kind of needs the network up to get it, right? |
| 04:54.18 | dondelelcaro | blahdeblah: if you don't want it to do that, shove it onto the initrd |
| 04:54.25 | Walhter | MeglaW: i would need to setup pxe server |
| 04:54.36 | MeglaW | yeah, thats pretty easy |
| 04:54.37 | blahdeblah | dondelelcaro: I'm very uninterested in rebuilding the CD image |
| 04:54.52 | blahdeblah | dondelelcaro: I'll look up the other params and specify them on the command line |
| 04:54.53 | dondelelcaro | blahdeblah: you don't need to rebuild it. Use a usbkey or similar with your own initrd |
| 04:55.03 | dondelelcaro | blahdeblah: or do that; whatever works for you |
| 04:55.11 | blahdeblah | I'm pretty uninterested in building a USB key as well. |
| 04:55.24 | dondelelcaro | well, good luck with that. |
| 04:55.34 | MeglaW | Walhter: i just did it a few weeks ago for the first time and it only took like 15-30min untill the box was chugging away on the install |
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| 04:56.08 | CoJaBo-Aztec | Er, no ssh either? |
| 04:57.33 | CoJaBo-Aztec | openssh-server is installed, but how do I get it to start at boot? |
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| 04:58.51 | Walhter | MeglaW: i have airport, i don't think they support pxe |
| 04:59.05 | dbbolton | CoJaBo-Aztec: use sysv-rc-conf |
| 04:59.17 | dbbolton | the manual way is probably too much effort |
| 04:59.39 | MeglaW | Walhter: yeah that works |
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| 04:59.53 | CoJaBo-Aztec | dbbolton: How do I do that? |
| 04:59.55 | MeglaW | from what i can tell from google that is |
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| 05:00.20 | dbbolton | CoJaBo-Aztec: install it |
| 05:00.22 | SingAlong | hi all |
| 05:00.26 | SingAlong | I connected my phone at /dev/ttyACM0 and when i disconnect it and connect it again it doesnt connect again. I have to restart the comp to connect it. My quick guess is that /dev/ttyACM0 gets blocked. Any idea on how to solve this? |
| 05:00.45 | zebradog_ | SingAlong, maybe networkmanager may help |
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| 05:01.06 | zebradog_ | SingAlong, i'm just guessing if networkmanager can have anything to do with ppp |
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| 05:02.00 | SingAlong | zebradog_: ah. but its connected at /dev/ttyACM0. |
| 05:02.07 | dbbolton | CoJaBo-Aztec: or, ln -s /etc/init.d/ssh /etc/rc2.d/S21ssh |
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| 05:05.17 | kelptic | hi, I need to cut about 2 minutes in a 5 minute long mp3 -- what would be the best tool for the job? |
| 05:05.33 | kelptic | I mean, some tool that I can apt-get install right now |
| 05:05.47 | mdik | kelptic: audacity |
| 05:05.58 | kelptic | okie dokie, I'll try it out, thanks. |
| 05:06.25 | CoJaBo-Aztec | dbbolton: That doesnt seem to have done anything, even after reboot. |
| 05:06.57 | dbbolton | CoJaBo-Aztec: did you use the program? |
| 05:07.02 | CoJaBo-Aztec | How do i/ |
| 05:07.19 | dbbolton | man sysv-rc-conf |
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| 05:07.34 | CoJaBo-Aztec | is used to all this being done automaticly by default install |
| 05:07.43 | dbbolton | basically you use the arrow keys and the space bar. |
| 05:08.17 | CoJaBo-Aztec | What should be selected on ssh? |
| 05:08.49 | dbbolton | absolutely do not touch any runlevels other than 2, 3, 4, or 5 |
| 05:08.56 | dbbolton | 2 is the default runlevel |
| 05:09.24 | CoJaBo-Aztec | for ssh, 2,3,4,and 5 are already selected. |
| 05:09.45 | dbbolton | then my guess is that it is running |
| 05:09.59 | CoJaBo-Aztec | Not listed in ps, nothing listening on the port |
| 05:10.18 | mdik | kelptic: but if youre really leet, youll use split, like in $ split -b 1M mymp3.mp3 |
| 05:10.25 | dbbolton | it wouldn't be in ps. |
| 05:10.30 | dbbolton | ps -e | grep ssh |
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| 05:10.48 | mdik | there youd have to experiment a bit, but that should work just fine aswell |
| 05:10.49 | kelptic | mdik, that's nice to know -- but I'm probably not that leet, and would be happier with a gui tool. thanks though :) |
| 05:10.50 | CoJaBo-Aztec | ps -A is what I used |
| 05:11.28 | CoJaBo-Aztec | dbbolton: Either way, its not running |
| 05:11.51 | mdik | kelptic: try it out when you got the job done, i did, too and it wasnt hard (and fun :)) |
| 05:12.13 | dbbolton | CoJaBo-Aztec: did you try starting it manually |
| 05:12.49 | mdik | i love how everybody has his very own and special ps mantra :) |
| 05:12.56 | CoJaBo-Aztec | Hm, Warning: Fake start-stop-daemon called, doing nothing |
| 05:12.57 | CoJaBo-Aztec | Huh/ |
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| 05:13.55 | dbbolton | apt-cache policy openssh-server |
| 05:13.56 | kelptic | mdik, it could get a little bit confusing, I think. Here's what I need to do specifically, for example, on a 6:16 long mp3: cut it from 1:22 to 1:47 |
| 05:14.02 | dbbolton | paste to paste.debian.net |
| 05:14.18 | CoJaBo-Aztec | dbbolton: The base install is broken, it seems. |
| 05:15.33 | mmnicolas | klumpen: audacity |
| 05:16.45 | dbbolton | CoJaBo-Aztec: you might consider starting over then |
| 05:17.06 | mdik | kelptic: you got the length in seconds, you got the length in bytes: so what are you waiting for? hm. maybe a program to join the pieces afterwards... ;) |
| 05:17.07 | dbbolton | or, try: aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade |
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| 05:17.30 | CoJaBo-Aztec | Should I try it again (consigering the fact that it takes about 4 hours to dl the packages required because it seems my proxy sucks), or just go with ubuntu, which despite sucking, at least installs cleanly? |
| 05:17.57 | kelptic | mdik, sorry, I'm not following - I _don't_ have the length in bytes |
| 05:18.14 | mdik | cant you use "ls" |
| 05:18.20 | mdik | it prints the length in bytes |
| 05:18.42 | dbbolton | you can't generalise that debian doesn't install cleanly based on one bad experience |
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| 05:18.51 | mdik | and $ cat piece1 piece2 piece3 > joined.mp3 fits them together afterwards |
| 05:19.05 | kelptic | mdik, I need to cut a few seconds in the middle of the file |
| 05:19.09 | dbbolton | but if it's too much of a headache, then go with what isn't |
| 05:19.14 | kelptic | mdik, cut as in delete |
| 05:19.38 | mmnicolas | what do you people think of aptitude vs apt-get, the sidux crew claims aptitude approach is wrong because of deps changes and etc but i don't sse anything related exactly to that in any apt-get vs aptitude posts on blogs & forums |
| 05:19.58 | mdik | yeah, whatever, audacity will do fine |
| 05:20.54 | dbbolton | mmnicolas: if there is one group of people i don't trust, it's sidux users |
| 05:21.02 | dbbolton | that, or communists |
| 05:21.10 | Hellmark | dbbolton, why |
| 05:21.22 | mmnicolas | dbbolton: really, do you have an argument ? |
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| 05:21.38 | mmnicolas | i mean, why ? |
| 05:21.46 | simonrvn | !why aptitude |
| 05:21.54 | mmnicolas | simonrvn: yea! |
| 05:22.13 | dbbolton | i am more of an individualist anarchist personally |
| 05:22.15 | simonrvn | the bot's slow right now... |
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| 05:24.16 | mmnicolas | simonrvn: are you sure there is supposed to be a bot reply on this ? |
| 05:24.27 | simonrvn | bot timed out |
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| 05:24.32 | mmnicolas | haha |
| 05:24.42 | cesurasean | what is a good package manager for x4ce on a powerpc imac. i need to install some more programs but no luck finding the "add/remove" application to do this.... |
| 05:24.52 | CoJaBo-Aztec | lol botfail |
| 05:24.56 | dbbolton | i just get annoyed at derivative users acting like their problems are somehow debian's fault |
| 05:25.23 | dbbolton | cesurasean: aptitude |
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| 05:25.29 | simonrvn | %why aptitude |
| 05:25.36 | ravenbird | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info |
| 05:25.49 | mufasis | whats the difference between the small cd netiso and the tiny cd netiso? |
| 05:26.01 | dbbolton | cesurasean: if you want a pont-and-click, synaptic |
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| 05:26.08 | johnfg_ | hi guys |
| 05:26.12 | dbbolton | mufasis: the tiny one is just DSL |
| 05:26.33 | johnfg_ | Do I need rquotad for anything in debian? and port 875? |
| 05:26.34 | cesurasean | dbbolton, what is the package name to install synaptic? |
| 05:26.45 | mmnicolas | cesurasean: synaptic |
| 05:26.53 | mufasis | dbbolton: whats dsl? |
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| 05:27.05 | mmnicolas | mufasis: damn small linux, another distro |
| 05:27.29 | dbbolton | just use the regular netinst unless you know what you're doing |
| 05:27.55 | mdik | kelptic: if i teach you, how to cut your mp3 on the commandline, will you write it up nicely and put it up online? |
| 05:28.10 | mufasis | ok ty |
| 05:28.25 | kelptic | mdik, where would I have to put it up? I don't have a blog or anything of the sort |
| 05:28.27 | CoJaBo-Aztec | Either way, I dont really have time to do another reinstall |
| 05:28.30 | CoJaBo-Aztec | :/ |
| 05:28.35 | mufasis | should i be running amd64 if i have a processor that supports it? |
| 05:28.47 | mdik | kelptic: dont know, that'd be up to you :) |
| 05:28.50 | dbbolton | CoJaBo-Aztec: did you already try my other suggestion |
| 05:29.39 | CoJaBo-Aztec | the dist-upgrade? It just said nothing to upgrade. I moved the startstop thing as suggested by Google, hoping that fixes it... |
| 05:29.44 | kelptic | mdik, alright. linuxquestions forums then, I guess. go. here's the task: from a 6m:16s mp3, delete the portion that's between 1:22 and 1:47 |
| 05:29.51 | CoJaBo-Aztec | No idea what else might be broke tho :/ |
| 05:29.55 | mdik | anybody an idea where to put sth like cutting an mp3 using split and cat? |
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| 05:30.29 | mdik | ok. let me put it in some notes and paste it then, kelptic |
| 05:30.34 | mdik | 6 mins |
| 05:31.05 | dbbolton | CoJaBo-Aztec: what about aptitude install -f |
| 05:31.12 | kelptic | just so you know -- I have already finished with the task with audacity, I've only said to your offer because I'm always up for having fun with bash tool |
| 05:31.24 | kelptic | +yes* |
| 05:32.04 | dbbolton | bash? fun? |
| 05:32.29 | mmnicolas | dbbolton: hehe we've understood youre a zsh fanboy ;) |
| 05:32.48 | dbbolton | i use psh |
| 05:33.00 | mmnicolas | what the hell is that |
| 05:33.25 | kelptic | I think he might be making a joke, like, as in 'pshhh, you suck' |
| 05:33.36 | mmnicolas | haha |
| 05:33.45 | dbbolton | apt-cache show psh |
| 05:34.06 | mmnicolas | yea i know the trick, just wanted to know i never heard about it |
| 05:34.32 | dbbolton | you are blinded by the bash occult |
| 05:34.33 | mmnicolas | s/just wanted/just wanted you/ |
| 05:34.39 | zebradog_ | zshell, yeah i heard of that, it sucks.. i just bash it |
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| 05:35.04 | mmnicolas | ohh.. now you got me, seems interesting, a perl shell... |
| 05:35.26 | dbbolton | i also don't use cat, echo, ls, or any of that junk |
| 05:35.52 | zebradog_ | dbbolton, scriptkiddie |
| 05:36.24 | mmnicolas | i never took time to learn it, but it always though perl rocked |
| 05:36.51 | dbbolton | zebradog_: calling me a "scriptkiddie" makes me sound like i have a shred of ambition |
| 05:37.31 | zebradog_ | dbbolton, nope. it means you're a kid. |
| 05:37.58 | zebradog_ | which means your ambitions are childish and foolish at the same time. |
| 05:38.01 | mmnicolas | zebradog_: perl hater! |
| 05:38.21 | dbbolton | zebradog_: that's better. at least you aren't pretending to know my age now |
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| 05:39.03 | zebradog_ | says kids that call things junk and say they never used them in the same line explains everything |
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| 05:39.56 | mmnicolas | i must have missed that line |
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| 05:40.10 | mmnicolas | did he really said something like that % |
| 05:40.21 | dbbolton | it was a joke for chrissake |
| 05:41.03 | zebradog_ | dbbolton, the bash gods created debian.. i don't know what you're doing #here |
| 05:41.08 | mdik | http://pastie.org/949642 |
| 05:41.26 | mdik | kelptic: i hope this is somewhat in order |
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| 05:43.02 | mdik | the math is simple. i split it two times, both times according to the times you want to cut |
| 05:43.07 | kelptic | oh boy. ok, now give me a few good minutes to turn that into a followable-narrative, and then to spam it on all *nix forums that google can hit me with. |
| 05:43.27 | mufasis | is the current debian release 5.04? |
| 05:43.41 | mdik | :D |
| 05:43.54 | mufasis | ? |
| 05:44.44 | dbbolton | mufasis: that is stable, yes |
| 05:45.21 | mmnicolas | mufasis: it's 5.0.4 |
| 05:45.24 | dbbolton | mufasis: there are also current testing and unstable releases |
| 05:46.13 | mufasis | how much space is the minimum required for debian |
| 05:46.22 | mmnicolas | mufasis: 2gb |
| 05:46.44 | mdik | you could go less, but it wouldnt be fun |
| 05:47.05 | mmnicolas | i just built a desktop for my girlfriend and it ends up a 2.5gb |
| 05:47.06 | mufasis | so how much for fun =) |
| 05:47.18 | dbbolton | i think the handbook says 500 MB for i386 |
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| 05:47.51 | mdik | when you wanna install stuff without bothering i would go for 10 gig |
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| 05:48.31 | dbbolton | mufasis: read this http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual |
| 05:48.44 | mdik | if you dont want to run aptitude clean all the time i would even go for more |
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| 05:49.16 | dbbolton | specifically, http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch02s05.html.en |
| 05:49.24 | mmnicolas | mdik: really ? at 2.5gb i really don't know what other app i could install |
| 05:49.58 | mmnicolas | but as soon as you install a bittorrent client you should go over a TB |
| 05:50.09 | mufasis | would 5gb be enough for me to test a lamp server? |
| 05:50.18 | mmnicolas | mufasis: sure. |
| 05:50.27 | mmnicolas | more than enough |
| 05:50.36 | mufasis | im running it through a virtual machine how much ram does debian need |
| 05:50.44 | mufasis | 512mb or 1gb? |
| 05:50.49 | dbbolton | mufasis: look at the link i pasted |
| 05:51.05 | dbbolton | "You must have at least 44MB of memory and 500MB of hard disk space to perform a normal installation." |
| 05:51.06 | MeglaW | i installed it on 64mb last time |
| 05:51.11 | MeglaW | only took 2 days |
| 05:51.27 | mmnicolas | for a lamp without a graphical interface i guesss 64mb would be enough |
| 05:51.30 | MeglaW | dbbolton: its more like 2GB of hdd space nowadays |
| 05:52.11 | mufasis | ty |
| 05:52.15 | dbbolton | MeglaW: he asked for "minimum", not "practical" |
| 05:53.07 | MeglaW | dbbolton: yeah minimum |
| 05:53.16 | mdik | mmnicolas: header-files, documentatino, openoffice, language-files |
| 05:53.25 | mdik | they all take some amount of space |
| 05:53.53 | mmnicolas | you don't need openoffice for a lamp |
| 05:54.34 | mdik | MeglaW: hah! i did 24! |
| 05:54.35 | mmnicolas | i meant 64mb of ram, 5gb of space |
| 05:55.14 | mdik | but then you need to interrupt the install-process to mount some swap :D |
| 05:55.48 | dbbolton | MeglaW: that's more like the "recommended minumum" from 3.4 |
| 05:56.36 | MeglaW | my point was, if you burn a lenny cd today, and try to default install it on a partition thats only 500mb, i dont think it will work. |
| 05:56.49 | MeglaW | but i donno, i will try next tuesday in the hackerspace |
| 05:57.04 | dbbolton | well, i haven't tried that. i was just going by the manual |
| 05:57.16 | MeglaW | finished default install with desctop and webserver or unchecked |
| 05:57.27 | MeglaW | 500mb will still nog be enough |
| 05:57.44 | MeglaW | ok. :) |
| 05:57.51 | MeglaW | i'll report back. :) |
| 06:01.23 | sauvin | Try it in a vm with a 500mb virtual drive, see how it works :) |
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| 06:07.59 | MeglaW | i dont like vm. |
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| 06:12.06 | brbrbr | hi guys |
| 06:12.33 | brbrbr | anyone have problems with 2.6.32 kernel from backports in Lenny with DM-Crypto ? |
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| 06:13.58 | zobel | not from BPO, but from sid |
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| 06:14.20 | zobel | i cant enter my password anymore on my macbook with the -5- |
| 06:14.30 | zobel | works with the -3- though |
| 06:14.37 | nature | hi,guys. |
| 06:15.20 | nature | debian 5.0 no network devices have been found? who can help me? |
| 06:18.02 | mufasis | how do you guys partition? |
| 06:19.16 | brammator | mufasis, 2-10 gb for root, all other on lvm |
| 06:20.25 | zobel | 1G for /boot, rest crypted lvm |
| 06:20.27 | brbrbr | brammator point of not having root on [another]lvm ? |
| 06:21.02 | brammator | brbrbr, personal quirks about graceful degradation |
| 06:21.20 | brbrbr | brammator i don't get idea, sry |
| 06:21.43 | brbrbr | some use lvm-less / only 2 use lilo |
| 06:22.39 | brammator | brbrbr, see, I rarely have my root fs flooded with data. so no need for growfs, actually. no need to snapshot, too. |
| 06:22.57 | brammator | brbrbr, anyway it's just personal quirks. |
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| 06:23.32 | brbrbr | lvm have other advantages over "plan FS over device", than manageability |
| 06:23.40 | brbrbr | flexibility and etc |
| 06:24.13 | brbrbr | but i get it. just personal preferencies and "no reason to move" aka "don't fix not broken" |
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| 06:26.40 | brammator | brbrbr, just curious, what flexibility (other than grow/shrink/migrate/snapshot) do you mean? |
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| 06:27.25 | martint | I would like to capture only all those packages on interface eth0, that are outgoing(in other words from IP 192.168.1.1, which is IP for eth0 in this computer) and doesn't have src MAC address 11:22:33:44:55:66. I tried with this command: "tcpdump -n -p -i eth0 src host 192.168.1.1 and not ether host 11:22:33:44:55:66", but it captured all the outgoing traffic(in other words this "not ether host 11:22:33:44:55:66" had no use). Any ideas? |
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| 06:28.16 | zebradog_ | martint, i believe you need a *mac* keyword |
| 06:28.20 | brammator | martint, "and not src ether host " ? |
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| 06:29.04 | brbrbr | brammator "just curious" or "im just work for Apple/Microsoft"[undercover]here"? |
| 06:29.09 | Guest875 | hi ,all |
| 06:29.13 | brbrbr | "man lvm" then |
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| 06:29.20 | brbrbr | or wikipedia org |
| 06:30.06 | martint | brammator: this gives me syntax error |
| 06:30.38 | brammator | I'm more into personal experiences. I already have my opinion based on this docs and my own experience, that's why I am curious about yours. No hard pushes, though. |
| 06:30.51 | martint | zebradog_: what do you mean by *mac* keyword? |
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| 06:31.44 | Guest875 | what |
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| 06:32.20 | brammator | martint, sorry, "and not ether src 11:22:33" |
| 06:33.07 | brbrbr | lvm luckily don't have counterparts/forks yet, but thats eventual in about 3 years, IMO |
| 06:33.29 | bolt | bots dead? |
| 06:33.33 | bolt | !test |
| 06:33.34 | brbrbr | i guess thats may be btrfs final ODS |
| 06:33.37 | bolt | ~test |
| 06:33.37 | apt | Failed! |
| 06:33.41 | bolt | hm.. |
| 06:34.07 | bolt | ~tell me about blacklist-initramfs |
| 06:34.21 | bolt | weird. it didn't respond in privmsg |
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| 06:34.34 | brbrbr | ~tell Lenny |
| 06:34.54 | brbrbr | bolt try relogin |
| 06:35.02 | brbrbr | p.s. in FreeNode |
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| 06:36.33 | kelptic | mdik, http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?p=3960049 |
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| 06:36.59 | kelptic | though, I haven't proof-read it very closely. I'll try to do that.. uhm, soon. |
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| 06:38.21 | brbrbr | bolt how now ? |
| 06:38.55 | bolt | brbrbr: hm.. figured it out. apt doesn't reply in privmsg when it receives a request for something it doesn't know about |
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| 06:39.03 | bolt | like blacklist-initramfs |
| 06:39.06 | bolt | dpkg has it though |
| 06:39.07 | dpkg | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, bolt |
| 06:39.39 | brbrbr | its usually report in privmsg in that way "sry i cannot answer, because [in that case]i don't know" |
| 06:40.01 | brbrbr | so if its not respond[at all] its another-src bug |
| 06:40.29 | mdik | kelptic: lol |
| 06:40.42 | brbrbr | maybe chanell ops update both kb |
| 06:40.52 | brbrbr | both==bot |
| 06:41.56 | kelptic | you wanna respond to this part, btw: "The -b argument lets you specify what size you want the splits to be, we followed that by 1313395. The -d argument will make the splits use numeric suffixes instead of alphabetic ones -- why in the name of good earth you would want that, please ask mdik."? |
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| 06:42.39 | Joint | hey how can i reconfigure my x automaticly? |
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| 06:43.10 | mdik | hell no |
| 06:43.59 | kelptic | ok, you just like numbers eh |
| 06:44.22 | mdik | yeah, i thought it might be more intuitive :) |
| 06:44.23 | kelptic | I guess it makes sense.. since the alphabet is finite, I suppose it's just a good habit to get into huh. anyways. :) |
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| 06:47.45 | mdik | sarcasm and irony kinda exploded all over me when i opened that link |
| 06:48.34 | kelptic | I dono how to parse that, exploded? do you like it or dislike it? |
| 06:48.48 | mdik | and the perl -e parts... i wanted to keep the stuff in one window and i dont know how to solve such equations in bash |
| 06:48.49 | brbrbr | its "just" exploded, i guess |
| 06:49.10 | brbrbr | so its more like expression, feedback, rather than patch |
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| 06:49.57 | brbrbr | "bad fish-->exploded[my cat]-->im scream[oh my god !]" |
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| 06:50.48 | kelptic | mdik, I guess echo $((4/2)) |
| 06:51.01 | kelptic | I mean, if you want to avoid perl at all costs. in any case |
| 06:51.11 | mdik | $ $((4/2)) |
| 06:51.11 | mdik | bash: 2: command not found |
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| 06:51.25 | kelptic | don't paste the $ silly |
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| 06:51.33 | kelptic | whoops, nevermind, I misread |
| 06:51.41 | kelptic | ~$ echo $((4/2)) |
| 06:51.41 | kelptic | 2 |
| 06:52.02 | mdik | i mean, its funny, but i really didnt want to show of. just playing around |
| 06:52.04 | sauvin | For stuff like that, wouldn't something like dc or bc be more appropriate? |
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| 06:54.11 | kelptic | yeah, probably would be. |
| 06:54.19 | mdik | kelptic: if you want to let it be like it is, take my name out please |
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| 06:54.26 | kelptic | mdik, I know, I know, it's all in the name of good humour. |
| 06:54.35 | kelptic | hrmm, okie dokie, no problem. |
| 06:55.24 | mdik | and actually: using nothing but command-line _is_ a bit sexy |
| 06:55.57 | dbbolton | i use this for simple calculations: http://paste.debian.net/72365/ |
| 06:56.27 | OpenTokix | dbbolton: why not just use bc? |
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| 06:57.18 | dbbolton | never heard of it |
| 06:57.42 | OpenTokix | dbbolton: Awesome calculator |
| 06:57.54 | OpenTokix | bc -l on commandline on a standard debian-system |
| 06:57.54 | kelptic | mdik: (name removed). yeah, it really really is. I've had a few female friends come to my house and be all "D: " ":)" ":*" when they see my beautiful xmonad desktop with nothing but terminal windows open |
| 06:58.39 | dbbolton | my script behaves exactly how i want my calculator to behave |
| 06:59.00 | dbbolton | i just tried bc and its different so i wouldnt like it :D |
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| 07:02.32 | mdik | kelptic: ? |
| 07:02.51 | kelptic | mdik, nevermind. :) |
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| 07:03.54 | nvz | can anyone tell me what the hell is going wrong here? http://paste.debian.net/72366/plain/72366 |
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| 07:05.56 | dbbolton | a lot of sloppy/unnecesary use of sed? |
| 07:06.19 | nvz | heh, probably. I was scouring the internet for various ways to make wget work with zenity --progress |
| 07:06.44 | nvz | this one is suppose to allow it to update the text as well, but doesnt do anything cause it doesnt output as expected |
| 07:09.06 | alcohol | mornin' all |
| 07:09.11 | nvz | haha |
| 07:09.54 | nvz | sorry, something is funny to me about "alcohol" saying "mornin' all" at 3am |
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| 07:15.14 | dbbolton | nvz i hate to suggest it, but i think emerge does what you are talking about |
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| 07:27.03 | courpse | There a Qt4.5 for debian yet? |
| 07:27.16 | mufasis | how do i update debian |
| 07:27.36 | courpse | mufasis: : apt-get update |
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| 07:29.02 | mufasis | aptitude is the package manager |
| 07:29.02 | mufasis | ? |
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| 07:40.12 | remur_030 | heya, how do you restore a configuration from a package |
| 07:40.27 | remur_030 | I know when you update it says "maintainer version changed, compare?" |
| 07:40.45 | remur_030 | I just can't invoke that manually, or at least restore the current maintainer version |
| 07:41.10 | remur_030 | googling turned up nothing useful on 'restore configuration debian', it's often a forgotten root password... |
| 07:42.22 | dbbolton | mufasis: remember a certain little handbook that i linked you to like, three times tonight? |
| 07:42.33 | dbbolton | maybe you should try reading it. |
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| 07:52.54 | mufasis | i know ive been skimming through, i have a lot of work on my hands trying to multitask |
| 07:52.55 | mufasis | forgive me |
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| 08:10.46 | jony123 | Could i use debian-live helper to make like a dist copy of the os i was running in? I don't want to have to rebuild my system. |
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| 08:12.35 | the-dude | jony123: what do you mean by dist copy? |
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| 08:13.40 | jony123 | the-dude: like it takes the current system its running in and makes a copy of it. Like remastersys does with there dist one. |
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| 08:24.15 | bolt | how can I install the "standard system" stuff after installation? running tasksel lists every other thing selectable at install, except "standard system" |
| 08:24.25 | villemv | is there a way to run apt-get install --download-only in a way that it doesn't complain about broken dependencies |
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| 08:24.36 | villemv | "I just want to download, damnit" |
| 08:24.39 | ranix | bolt: why? just apt-get install the individual packages you need |
| 08:25.15 | bolt | ranix: because i hate running into common tools i assume to be there, and need, when i'm on the road with no internet |
| 08:25.32 | bolt | ranix: i see no reason why that selection shouldn't be there after install |
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| 08:35.14 | MNZ | Are there x86-32 packages for libudev?? Is it possible to just extract and use the ones from the 32 bit repos or does it have to be compiled differently to work on x86-64 |
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| 08:39.01 | valentin_ | how can i rename a user? |
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| 08:40.29 | leaflock | can some one tell me if i can see which package/kernel version is used for the testing branch? |
| 08:40.38 | ondrej | valentin_: usermod -l |
| 08:41.17 | streuner_ | leaflock: packages.debian.org |
| 08:41.21 | valentin_ | thx |
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| 08:43.06 | streuner_ | leaflock: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=linux-image |
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| 08:45.43 | SoulSeller | valentin_, usermod -l newusr oldusr |
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| 08:47.30 | jony123 | Say i wanted to clone the entire debian squeeze repos how many GB is that? |
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| 08:55.14 | pabs3 | jony123: http://www.debian.org/mirror/size |
| 08:55.48 | pabs3 | hmm, that is all of etch, lenny, squeeze, sid |
| 08:56.00 | jony123 | pabs3: thanks. |
| 08:56.19 | the-dude | jony123: or if debmirror is installed see /usr/share/doc/debmirror/mirror_size |
| 08:57.11 | jony123 | well i just read that debian-live helper caches packages anyway.. So im sweet |
| 08:57.14 | jony123 | thanks anyway |
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| 08:57.30 | pabs3 | thanks the-dude |
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| 09:05.45 | jony123 | prepairs himself for a night of hacking with debian-live helper.. this should be fun. :) |
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| 09:07.52 | the-dude | jony123: try clonezilla |
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| 09:10.03 | jony123 | the-dude: Im trying to do this as an os. Not a backup of my files |
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| 09:11.22 | the-dude | jony123: do you want a whole disk copy, or just centain directory's ? |
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| 09:12.16 | jony123 | the-dude: I mean i want to make an bootable live os. |
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| 09:13.56 | the-dude | jony123: ah ok, that can be done :) good luck |
| 09:14.05 | jony123 | thanks |
| 09:15.00 | cafaro_ | Hi, I want to have my apt sources to be squeeze and contrib/non-free, which lines do I have to edit? (deb, deb-src of ftp, security? and volatile?), dpkg bot is rather vague on this topic |
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| 09:15.47 | cantido | cafaro_: all of them |
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| 09:18.45 | bzed | cafaro_: squeeze is not released, so there is no volatile. |
| 09:19.12 | thomasfuston | Mornin', i got a little problem ist an Debian install, which boots but i dont see the gdm, i just see a blackscreen where gdm should show up |
| 09:19.41 | thomasfuston | i can access the "shell" with strg+alt+f1, but may someone got an idea how to fix it ? |
| 09:19.55 | cantido | thomasfuston: look at your X log |
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| 09:20.35 | thomasfuston | cantido: i am not thaat experienced, where do i find it ? |
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| 09:22.39 | cafaro_ | ok, i'll keep that at lenny then |
| 09:22.42 | cafaro_ | or stable |
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| 09:23.45 | SammyTheSnake | I've got a debian installation mostly complete but I want to change my mind about installing grub2 (it doesn't boot!) how do I persuade the installer to let me skip the "Install the base system" etc. and let me just install Grub again? (and choose the legacy option!) |
| 09:25.05 | SammyTheSnake | ponders if the fact that the US is asleep might have something to do with the eerie silence here... |
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| 09:27.16 | neoice | probably |
| 09:27.30 | neoice | I'm in the US and awake, but just put out a major server fire and wish I was asleep |
| 09:27.33 | neoice | wee |
| 09:27.40 | nsadmin | How would I get javascript as a standalone interpreter, in lenny? |
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| 09:28.58 | themill | cafaro_: dpkg isn't really vague about this at all -- but it does take the attitude that if you are going to run releases past "stable", then you should know these things already. |
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| 09:30.13 | bigmahatma | hello. can anybody help me with configuring wpa-supplicant? |
| 09:30.45 | bigmahatma | I'm running it on debian+lxde |
| 09:31.10 | cafaro_ | themill: I didn't understand the sentence from dpkg, but now it's perfectly clear |
| 09:34.52 | bigmahatma | nobody? |
| 09:36.27 | SammyTheSnake | bigmahatma: not a clue, sorry :-P |
| 09:36.31 | jnss | why does debian suck with the wireless driver |
| 09:36.39 | bigmahatma | thanks anyway |
| 09:36.52 | bigmahatma | jnss: I'm also fighting with it |
| 09:37.11 | bigmahatma | or better: against it |
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| 09:37.21 | jnss | bigmahatma, aye |
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| 09:37.32 | jnss | first thing you do is disable the gui network manager |
| 09:37.58 | jnss | and this http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse |
| 09:38.07 | jnss | will tell you a lot more than a few people on irc can |
| 09:38.33 | bigmahatma | I just installed the drivers and followed the HowToUse you mentioned.. |
| 09:38.56 | bigmahatma | now I have to configure wpa_supplicant, since I've got no KDE/gnome |
| 09:38.58 | nsadmin | , rdepends libkjsembed1 |
| 09:39.12 | nsadmin | how do you do that... |
| 09:39.23 | nsadmin | ! rdepends libkjsembed1 |
| 09:39.27 | cafaro_ | Hi, I'm trying to get X working in squeeze (didn't work with lenny), using an ATI Mobility HD3650. I installed the fglrx packages from non-free. xorg.conf: http://pastebin.com/hb2m2MpP, Xorg.0.log: http://pastebin.com/zvNBPpQz, any ideas, anyone? |
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| 09:40.03 | ondrej | cafaro_: did you tried it without configuring xorg? |
| 09:40.07 | jnss | bigmahatma, use the commandline |
| 09:40.10 | jnss | xterm or something |
| 09:40.36 | nsadmin | line 173 |
| 09:41.06 | neoice | if I have 2 kernel configs, is there a reasonable way to merge the two? |
| 09:41.39 | nsadmin | is one from the kernel you're compiling? |
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| 09:42.25 | bigmahatma | jnss: I'm doing that, I just need to figure out how to configure wpa_supplicant |
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| 09:43.07 | neoice | nsadmin: one is from the kernel I'm running (which I added grsec to) and one is from a slimmed Xen domU kernel |
| 09:43.20 | nsadmin | neoice probably the only reasonable way is write a program that outputs a kernel config given input kernel config in a loop just like cat... |
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| 09:43.49 | neoice | I'm thinking I'll just pull the GRKERNSEC stuff into the slimmed config |
| 09:44.01 | nsadmin | then add, a section that reads another kernel config and loads it into a hash |
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| 09:44.56 | nsadmin | then as you output, you look for lines from the old config that have names that are in the hash, and substitute the value |
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| 09:46.51 | mcgreg | nsadmin: hello |
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| 09:50.06 | nsadmin | this program is not guaranteed to give you anything useful, it might make your computer fall on your dog's tail |
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| 09:50.09 | nsadmin | you'll have to redo the reader so it knows what comes thru, whether it's a commented out "not defined" line, or uncommented and having values m, y, n |
| 09:50.16 | nsadmin | you put that in another hash together with a sequence number, then you output that hash in sequence, substituting from the first hash |
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| 09:50.45 | cafaro_ | ondrej: no, all I did was aticonfig --initial, so X actually knows it has to use fglrx driver |
| 09:51.12 | nsadmin | what's missing is what if there are new values in the new config? with what's described so far, you won't get the new stuff, just substitutes different values |
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| 09:53.03 | mcgreg | nsadmin: alright, you're there. you seemed to be interested in my problem from yesterday about my sata hdd and my usb hdd. I partially found out the issue about the problem at boot time. when I have my usb hdd plugged in, it randomly get detected as sda (instead that the internal sata hdd gets detected as sda) , thats why it failed to boot properly. problem I could "fix" by using UUID in fstab. |
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| 09:54.53 | nsadmin | mcgreg: got it... that's the kind of thing you have to watch out for... for example, you could accidentally repartition the wrong drive |
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| 09:55.24 | oroep | hello |
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| 09:55.36 | mcgreg | nsadmin: indeed, you are very very right. |
| 09:56.53 | nsadmin | in my case I had an external and an internal, and the internal just has windows while the external has linux... I had it so that either drive could boot... and somehow, without me doing anything, it overwrote the external partition table with the internal partition table data |
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| 09:57.17 | mcgreg | ouch |
| 09:57.19 | nsadmin | my solution for that was simple: put grub on the internal and only boot from that |
| 09:57.57 | jony123 | wc |
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| 09:58.18 | nsadmin | it had something to do with which drive did the bios think was drive 1 or drive 2 or something like that |
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| 09:59.52 | mcgreg | nsadmin: yah. well, my external hdd (and the internal) have grub2 installed. unfo9rtunately my external hdd doesnt boot on my desktop computer :/ it loads grub(2) and then it simply reboot (instead of loading the menu list) .. that works fine on my laptop and on my gf's laptop |
| 09:59.59 | oroep | is it possible to have repository for both Testing and Unstable, giving priority to Testing repositories unless I force a package from Unstable? |
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| 10:00.26 | mcgreg | even though my desktop and my kaptop have both a BIOS from AMI , and are almost the same |
| 10:01.25 | nsadmin | oroep: anything's possible... but that situation isn't recommended |
| 10:02.17 | bigmahatma | can somebody help me with wpa_supplicant? :( |
| 10:02.37 | luuks | bigmahatma: whats your problem? |
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| 10:03.05 | bigmahatma | I'm trying to configure it |
| 10:03.11 | bigmahatma | and I cant :( |
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| 10:03.19 | oroep | nsadmin, why? I need a few packages (and of course their dependencies) from Unstable, but would prefer to keep as much as possible to Testing.... |
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| 10:03.52 | bigmahatma | luuks: I have a WPA2 connection on debian+xfce |
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| 10:04.10 | Abhishek_Singh | how to make a customized .deb file |
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| 10:04.23 | azeem | irssi is logging all my freenode (and only freenode) traffic to one "2010-05-*.log" file, anybody know how to fix this? |
| 10:04.44 | azeem | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:04.46 | stockholm | Abhishek_Singh: what do you mean? |
| 10:04.46 | azeem | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:04.51 | azeem | that's what I have in the config |
| 10:05.00 | nsadmin | bigmahatma: you should consider removing the word "can't" from your vocab as it's one of the most damaging... you could adopt the position "either I don't know how or I choose not... but never I can't" |
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| 10:05.15 | Abhishek_Singh | stockholm:please tell me to make .deb that asks for options to a normal user during installation |
| 10:06.01 | nsadmin | normal user? |
| 10:06.02 | bigmahatma | ok, I don't know how to configure wpa_supplicant. I edited the file following some info I found online, and some info I found reading an example file, but it does not work. |
| 10:06.30 | Abhishek_Singh | By normal user i mean anybody who wants to install that package |
| 10:06.35 | stockholm | Abhishek_Singh: there is debconf, which can promt for stuff at installation |
| 10:06.46 | stockholm | Abhishek_Singh: only admins (root) can do that |
| 10:06.50 | nsadmin | Abhishek_Singh: you can only install a .deb as root |
| 10:07.00 | stockholm | or users that got sudo access |
| 10:07.01 | Abhishek_Singh | yes i have admin privilege |
| 10:07.12 | bigmahatma | is somebody willing to help me? |
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| 10:07.30 | nsadmin | I don't know wireless |
| 10:07.36 | Abhishek_Singh | i don't want to install that, i want to make a .deb file |
| 10:07.58 | neoice | bigmahatma: wpa_supplicant can be a little challenging. is there a reason you're not using something like wicd or network-manager? |
| 10:08.03 | nsadmin | so you want to compile it as a plain user |
| 10:08.15 | nsadmin | and you want it to ask you questions before compiling? |
| 10:08.21 | Abhishek_Singh | i have the admin privilege with me |
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| 10:08.41 | nsadmin | ok, we're having problems communicating |
| 10:08.43 | bigmahatma | neoice: yes, I dont have them and my only connection is wireless |
| 10:08.58 | Abhishek_Singh | i have compiled that but that softwarte requires customized options during installation process from user |
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| 10:09.11 | Abhishek_Singh | to install itself properly |
| 10:09.19 | nsadmin | from which user? |
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| 10:10.20 | nsadmin | at this point I'll offer a resource... on irc.oftc.net there is #debian-mentors which would potentially offer more information |
| 10:10.36 | Abhishek_Singh | by user i mean normal folks who are interested in installing that binary |
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| 10:11.01 | nsadmin | but if the .deb is installed, the binary is installed |
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| 10:12.05 | Abhishek_Singh | nsadmin:do u have experience in compiling .deb file from source code? |
| 10:12.12 | nsadmin | yep |
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| 10:12.28 | Abhishek_Singh | i have the source code with me |
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| 10:12.41 | Abhishek_Singh | i just want to make a .deb file of it |
| 10:12.46 | nsadmin | ok |
| 10:13.09 | Abhishek_Singh | but no makefile is there |
| 10:13.19 | nsadmin | then how do you build it? |
| 10:13.31 | nsadmin | how do you link it? |
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| 10:13.48 | nsadmin | erm, the source is in what language? |
| 10:14.01 | Abhishek_Singh | thats why i am asking how to make its .deb |
| 10:14.14 | Abhishek_Singh | source code is in php |
| 10:14.24 | cantido | Abhishek_Singh: is it already debian-ized? |
| 10:14.30 | Abhishek_Singh | no |
| 10:14.31 | nsadmin | oh, I don't think you need to compile or link for that |
| 10:14.50 | nsadmin | no wonder no makefile |
| 10:14.56 | cantido | Abhishek_Singh: look at the new maintainer guide / a php package already in debian |
| 10:15.26 | Abhishek_Singh | cantido:can you name some? |
| 10:15.29 | cydork | Abhishek_Singh, check /msg dpkg package basics |
| 10:15.47 | nsadmin | Abhishek_Singh: you mention a binary... what is that binary? |
| 10:15.53 | cantido | Abhishek_Singh: with a php script you only really need enough logic to copy the files the right place, but there is stuff to handle db config etc if you need it |
| 10:15.55 | Abhishek_Singh | manuals are taking the cases where makefile are already present |
| 10:16.02 | cantido | Abhishek_Singh: wordpress etc are in debian |
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| 10:16.32 | cantido | Abhishek_Singh: a makefile is only dressed up shell fragments |
| 10:17.09 | nsadmin | makefiles are easy |
| 10:17.23 | Abhishek_Singh | nsadmin: sry i make a typo, it was .deb package |
| 10:17.30 | nsadmin | and they're useful for the case that many files are read to produce a final output |
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| 10:18.00 | nsadmin | or many separate outputs |
| 10:18.00 | cantido | I don't think you even need a makefile in your deb.. you could do it all from debian/rules |
| 10:18.10 | Abhishek_Singh | so to make its .deb file i need to make makefile for the source code? |
| 10:18.13 | nsadmin | which is itself a makefile |
| 10:18.25 | nsadmin | no, not necessarily |
| 10:18.35 | cantido | nsadmin: yeah, I mean he doesnt need to make another one ;) |
| 10:18.48 | nsadmin | good poitn |
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| 10:19.32 | cantido | Abhishek_Singh: read the new maintainers guide, the sections about how it handles what files to put into the deb |
| 10:19.43 | Abhishek_Singh | please suggest some links |
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| 10:20.00 | nsadmin | www.debian.org/devel is where they all are |
| 10:20.03 | cantido | http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ |
| 10:20.37 | cantido | With a php script you should split out the parts between /etc /usr and /var and link it all up too |
| 10:20.47 | Abhishek_Singh | whenever i need to install that package i need to modify my apache configuration file to add virtual hosts |
| 10:21.01 | cantido | Abhishek_Singh: there is a framework for that too |
| 10:21.07 | Abhishek_Singh | and modifications in two other files |
| 10:21.24 | cantido | http://packages.debian.org/lenny/wwwconfig-common |
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| 10:21.41 | Abhishek_Singh | cantido:by framework do you mean the UI? |
| 10:22.04 | cantido | wwwconfig provides scripts you can use to configure webservers etc |
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| 10:23.20 | Abhishek_Singh | the .deb package should be designed such that it automatically ask a user for the port no. where the database server is running , user who can access that datbase and user password and also configure the apache config. file automatically |
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| 10:23.52 | cantido | Abhishek_Singh: look at gallery2 or wordpress packages.. they do that |
| 10:24.27 | Abhishek_Singh | cantido:are you about that? |
| 10:24.37 | cantido | ??? |
| 10:25.12 | Abhishek_Singh | that looking at wordpress package would help me |
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| 10:25.30 | Abhishek_Singh | i have tried with a number of packages to learn that thing |
| 10:25.42 | Abhishek_Singh | but they turned out to be time pass |
| 10:25.54 | nsadmin | Abhishek_Singh: assuming postgres is running on port 5432, you coudl have an env var PGPORT=5432 |
| 10:25.59 | Abhishek_Singh | none of them was similar to mine |
| 10:26.02 | nsadmin | that would take care of that |
| 10:26.03 | cantido | mmm I'm pretty sure you could learn a lot from their debian/rules |
| 10:26.17 | chessboxing | wtf is ftp_data port 20? |
| 10:26.30 | nsadmin | ftp uses two ports |
| 10:26.37 | nsadmin | one of its failings |
| 10:26.50 | Abhishek_Singh | but sometime some users configure it to run on diffrent port so thats why it should ask for that |
| 10:26.53 | nsadmin | 20 and 21 |
| 10:27.17 | nsadmin | some users could set PGPORT=theirport |
| 10:27.33 | chessboxing | but whats it for. I can't get that info |
| 10:27.47 | nsadmin | ftp has a data connection and a control connection |
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| 10:28.32 | nsadmin | there's a document you can read about the ftp protocol if you want |
| 10:28.37 | Abhishek_Singh | nsadmin and cantido please be online for atleast half an hour i will go thru some more manual and then discuss about that |
| 10:28.56 | chessboxing | nsadmin: ta |
| 10:29.08 | nsadmin | Abhishek_Singh: this is for people who will start a web site, yes? |
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| 10:29.19 | Abhishek_Singh | what? |
| 10:29.25 | Abhishek_Singh | to make .deb packages |
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| 10:29.40 | nsadmin | nono, the people who will later use it |
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| 10:30.13 | Abhishek_Singh | no actually it is Geospatial software written in php |
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| 10:31.15 | nsadmin | you say it should ask the port... but the usual way this is done is to have a user for each web service, which defines environment variables to connect and link to the resources it uses |
| 10:31.47 | nsadmin | I wanted to tell you this now because I cannot guarantee what I'm doing in half an hour |
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| 10:33.07 | Abhishek_Singh | nsadmin:you are right, a particular webservice is assigned to a particular user |
| 10:33.50 | chessboxing | is this ftp-data port passive of active? |
| 10:33.50 | Abhishek_Singh | i was giving example as asking for a port no. |
| 10:33.54 | kevr1 | http://dev.exdevelopment.net/img/new_arch_desktop.jpg |
| 10:34.08 | kevr | oops.. wrong chan |
| 10:34.17 | ernie_eu | hi all, I am have VPS server based on debian 5 in hosting company, the problem is: it is Managed version, so there is no root access, so I even can't upload to /var/www ....anyone has experience with Managed VPS on Debian ? |
| 10:35.03 | Revo | Anyone know why when I download a file via SSH/SCP it seems to limit to 300Kbps? I have a 50Mbps connection and can normally get 4MBps down easy enough, but SSH seems stupidly slow :( |
| 10:35.47 | cantido | Revo: is one of the machines stupidly slow i.e. like 100mhz or something? |
| 10:35.50 | luuks | ernie_eu: i think you should contact the support of your hosting company, this isnt debian specific |
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| 10:39.27 | frostschutz | Revo: maybe this http://www.psc.edu/networking/projects/hpn-ssh/ |
| 10:39.47 | Revo | No they are fast |
| 10:39.50 | Revo | will check that out froosch |
| 10:43.15 | nsadmin | how can I see what depends on libkjsembed1 |
| 10:44.01 | cantido | nsadmin: you can see that in the aptitude ui.. |
| 10:44.34 | nsadmin | how do I go about that? |
| 10:45.54 | cantido | nsadmin: select the package and then there's an expand out for packages that depend on it |
| 10:45.57 | ghghjnt | I wonder if someone in here knows how to configure the memory allocation for the jvm if it runs on debian 64bit 8G memory |
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| 10:47.39 | nsadmin | perfect :) it found a standalone js interpreter, which is exactly what I want atm :) |
| 10:49.09 | nsadmin | what does aptitude mean by {a}? |
| 10:51.05 | amphi | nsadmin: automatically installed dependency? |
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| 10:51.17 | WhiteCrow1 | hi all |
| 10:53.02 | WhiteCrow1 | i have probleam when i want use this command Xorg -configure i see this error Fatal server error: caught signal 11. Server aborting |
| 10:53.07 | WhiteCrow1 | anyone can help me |
| 10:53.07 | WhiteCrow1 | ? |
| 10:53.38 | cantido | ghghjnt: mmm that's jvm options, are you getting messages that you can't allocate a heap that size? |
| 10:53.57 | cantido | ghghjnt: by "that size" I mean the size you want |
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| 10:54.09 | nsadmin | amphi: oh, ok... make sense by context |
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| 10:54.31 | nsadmin | err it makes sense |
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| 10:54.47 | chrisw1 | hey all, anyone recommend a good X server for windows? Hummingbird's Exceed is a sack of shit |
| 10:55.32 | cantido | debian inside virtualbox |
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| 10:56.01 | RussellF36 | either use vm or cgywin / unix subsystem :) |
| 10:56.53 | nsadmin | exceed is still around? |
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| 10:58.49 | pocoyo | . |
| 10:59.08 | nsadmin | i |
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| 11:00.12 | giaco | hello |
| 11:01.00 | giaco | how can I substitute vi with vim? I want to type "vi filename". Symlink in /usb/bin is not working |
| 11:01.27 | luuks | giaco: alias vi='vim' |
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| 11:01.48 | luuks | just put it in your .bashrc or .zshrc or whatever |
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| 11:02.19 | giaco | luuks, ty |
| 11:02.34 | giaco | I was using debian alternatives but it was not working |
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| 11:03.37 | ultralazer | hello after finding the kernel documentation missing on both archlinux and fedora core. I wonder does debian have kernel documentation? can I get a "vanilla" kernel on debian? |
| 11:04.49 | SOUL_OF_R00T | for the time i haaas used dddebian in desktops |
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| 11:05.47 | SOUL_OF_R00T | for the time i has used debian in desktops i already use vanila on it without any problems .... |
| 11:06.10 | ultralazer | ok? :) |
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| 11:06.48 | chrisw1 | I have a headless debian remote vm, I need something to handle x locally |
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| 11:07.20 | cantido | chrisw1: cygwin has X11. I dont think its all that good though |
| 11:08.10 | flami | Hi, is there something like useradd/usermod , that can work with ldap , im too lazy to write an ldif all the time . |
| 11:08.11 | chrisw1 | no, not touchign cygwin with a barge poll |
| 11:08.26 | chrisw1 | flami: active directory? *ducks* ;-) |
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| 11:08.46 | flami | Oh OOHHHHH |
| 11:08.50 | flami | now that hurts |
| 11:08.52 | flami | :P |
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| 11:10.05 | SOUL_OF_R00T | i try use luma but cannot put this for working fine and anione never help me with this task, at the moment i cannot have ldap here |
| 11:10.40 | nsadmin | whats a luma? |
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| 11:10.51 | ultralazer | ok so debian makes mods to the kernel too, this leaves me with gentoo. *bangs head on keyboard* curses why gentoo is the only one with the option i want i don't know. and yet if i only had a compile farm |
| 11:10.54 | flami | SOUL_OF_R00T: what exactly is your problem then. youa re quite vague |
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| 11:11.12 | nsadmin | , versions luma |
| 11:11.14 | judd | luma -- etch: 2.3-1.1; lenny: 2.3-1.1; sid: 2.4-3; squeeze: 2.4-3 |
| 11:11.17 | ultralazer | well gentoo it is. |
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| 11:11.28 | nsadmin | thers a luma... |
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| 11:12.16 | bigmahatma | hello. I need to compile a program, and the README says I need the kernel source to do that. How can I get it? |
| 11:12.24 | flami | so I guess, its writing my own tools to work with ldap .... bawwwww I hate when I have to work. |
| 11:12.34 | cantido | bigmahatma: you probably only need the headers |
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| 11:12.48 | flami | bigmahatma: aptitude search linux-headers |
| 11:12.54 | flami | there you should find the ones you need |
| 11:12.55 | bigmahatma | thanks |
| 11:13.07 | SOUL_OF_R00T | flami, luma requires some methods for strong auth and i dont have encounter any help to bring up this working on ddebian gentoo or slackware |
| 11:13.11 | nsadmin | flami: that;s what World Bank said... |
| 11:13.45 | flami | uhm ? So my lazyness will bring down the world ? |
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| 11:14.15 | nsadmin | no but I suppose theirs will remove the perceived value of all currency... |
| 11:14.47 | flami | SOUL_OF_R00T: well wouldnt it be better to also in a Luma related channel? I have no idea what Luma is, maybe you should start with explaining why you cant use ldap ^^ |
| 11:15.53 | flami | uhm :s/also/ask/ |
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| 11:17.15 | SOUL_OF_R00T | i sometimes use ldap but now i have my network down, i use only one desktop to out of bounds to mainain my private network |
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| 11:17.47 | bigmahatma | I'm trying to compile this SW with make, but it complains "linux/config.h: No such file or directory |
| 11:17.56 | bigmahatma | what to do? |
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| 11:18.07 | nsadmin | bigmahatma: that would be kernel headers |
| 11:18.20 | flami | SOUL_OF_R00T: I can only guess that you should look at the Luma manpages , manual ,wiki, google to find out what to do ( or as I said ask in their channel ) |
| 11:18.43 | bigmahatma | well I just run aptitude install linux-headers-2.6.30-bpo.1-686 |
| 11:18.44 | flami | bigmahatma: did you install the Linux-headers ? |
| 11:19.00 | bigmahatma | and it did not install anything |
| 11:19.02 | nsadmin | you would not only have to install the kernel headers for your kernel but also tell the build process wher they are |
| 11:19.17 | bigmahatma | ok, how can I do that? |
| 11:19.17 | SOUL_OF_R00T | very thanks flami , othe hour i try configure it again |
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| 11:19.32 | nsadmin | look at your program, does it have configuer? |
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| 11:19.40 | nsadmin | configure |
| 11:19.44 | bigmahatma | it has a Makefile |
| 11:19.51 | bigmahatma | but not a configure |
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| 11:20.35 | flami | strange at a quick glance theres no config.h in the linux-header packages |
| 11:20.36 | nsadmin | so you'd have to edit the makefile so it supplies the parameter for gcc that makes it go -I/that/dir |
| 11:21.01 | nsadmin | hmm. |
| 11:21.05 | nsadmin | let's see... |
| 11:21.10 | bigmahatma | understood.. so where can I fing config.h? |
| 11:21.17 | flami | if you need to sources ... aptitude search linux-source |
| 11:21.21 | flami | maybe its in there |
| 11:21.43 | nsadmin | no, config.h is generated by building the kernel |
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| 11:22.01 | bigmahatma | so? I'm not following anymore.. |
| 11:22.07 | nsadmin | that's why it should be in kernel headers package |
| 11:22.11 | flami | ohh . hum . a package that needs a completely build kernel to able to compile? |
| 11:22.56 | nsadmin | unless you're wrong about config.h not being in the kernel headers :) |
| 11:23.03 | flami | apt-file search config.h | grep headers , didnt bring much |
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| 11:24.20 | flami | lots and lots of configs, but no config.h it would seem . maybe i mised it |
| 11:25.24 | nsadmin | yeah, looks that way |
| 11:25.38 | nsadmin | it's also not in /usr/inclide |
| 11:25.44 | nsadmin | u |
| 11:26.44 | nsadmin | bigmahatma: what are you building that needs linux/config.h? |
| 11:26.44 | bigmahatma | I've got a config.h here: linux-headers-2.6.30-bpo.1-686/include/config/i2o/config.h |
| 11:26.55 | nsadmin | yeah I saw that |
| 11:27.12 | nsadmin | but that's probably not the right one |
| 11:27.14 | bigmahatma | I'm building acerhk, to use radiobuttons on my acer 290 |
| 11:27.20 | djura-san | o/ |
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| 11:27.53 | nsadmin | bigmahatma: what version? when was it released? |
| 11:28.00 | bigmahatma | because iwconfig says my wireless is turned off. |
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| 11:28.14 | bigmahatma | version 0.5.19 |
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| 11:28.21 | nsadmin | it's actually been years since I heard about linux/config.h |
| 11:28.24 | bigmahatma | released ages ago Isuppose |
| 11:28.33 | bigmahatma | I see |
| 11:28.34 | flami | bigmahatma: what release are you using ? lenny is 26, testing is 32 . :P |
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| 11:29.01 | bigmahatma | lenny, but I suppose I have a 30 |
| 11:29.04 | nsadmin | flami: it looks like recent kernels don't generate a config.h |
| 11:29.32 | flami | last time i compiled a kernel was uhmmm 2.6. 18 i think |
| 11:29.40 | flami | cant really tell ^^ |
| 11:29.52 | nsadmin | probably wasn't in any 2.6 |
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| 11:30.44 | nsadmin | bigmahatma, so you either need to find out how to get the resources represented by config.h, or you need to port what you have to more recent kernel versions |
| 11:31.20 | bigmahatma | great :( |
| 11:31.32 | nsadmin | you might find something about <linux/config.h> on the linux kernel mailing list archives |
| 11:31.32 | flami | bigmahatma: I can use pretty much any key on my olde acer laptop without compiling anything, maybe it alredy works, have you tried xev to see if the buttons are recognized when you push them ? |
| 11:31.51 | bigmahatma | no..what is xev? |
| 11:32.12 | flami | go into your favorite xserver , and run xev |
| 11:32.19 | flami | ina console |
| 11:32.40 | flami | any button you click , and that is recognized by X shows up in the console |
| 11:32.42 | bigmahatma | nope.. they are not recognized |
| 11:33.11 | flami | then i dont know ^^ |
| 11:33.21 | bigmahatma | well thanks guys |
| 11:33.22 | nsadmin | what did you do exactly to determine that? |
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| 11:33.29 | bigmahatma | sorry? |
| 11:33.32 | nsadmin | what did you do exactly to determine that? |
| 11:33.43 | bigmahatma | youmean xev? |
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| 11:34.04 | nsadmin | how did you find out "they are not recognized"? |
| 11:34.16 | bigmahatma | I launched xev and pressed the radiobuttons, and nothig happens |
| 11:34.25 | nsadmin | oh ok |
| 11:34.47 | nsadmin | that would be the test |
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| 11:37.45 | flami | bigmahatma: tried here: http://www.linux-laptop.net/ ? |
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| 11:39.39 | bigmahatma | I'll trynow |
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| 11:40.42 | flami | Oh yeah just rememerbed, I tried to limit the stack size to 512 kb, so i editet /etc/security/limits.conf , and added "* hard stack 512" . but it doesnt seem to do anything. ulimit -s 512 does work though |
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| 11:40.49 | flami | am I doing soemthing wrong? |
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| 11:41.29 | flami | ( I am working on a really tight virtual memory uhm budget ) |
| 11:41.59 | nsadmin | why is ulimit undesirable? |
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| 11:42.32 | flami | since I have to add it to every init script :P |
| 11:42.53 | flami | (except apache since there its a a config option ) |
| 11:43.01 | nsadmin | maybe you could add it to start-stop-daemon somehow... |
| 11:43.06 | nsadmin | what a hack that would be |
| 11:44.02 | flami | Oh no , Im past the "modify every single piece of software to accomodate my needs " phase . I only do it for a few selected packages |
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| 11:44.32 | flami | its not fun to maintain all those masses of code. ^^ |
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| 11:47.10 | qfr | Which service is responsible for the "You have mail in blah" messages in my shell? |
| 11:47.20 | qfr | I just used exim4 once but I have shut it down since then |
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| 11:48.43 | nsadmin | well you can't receive mail without some mta... |
| 11:48.56 | nsadmin | so there wouldn't be a message |
| 11:48.57 | Sil4nc4 | hi, where is the best place to ask questions about debian package building? |
| 11:49.07 | nsadmin | or what are you trying to do exactly? |
| 11:49.21 | petemc | qfr: i think thats pam |
| 11:49.32 | nsadmin | Sil4nc4: on oftc.net there is #debian-mentors |
| 11:49.39 | qfr | petemc: PAM?! Odd hmm |
| 11:49.54 | nsadmin | pam does a lot of stuiff |
| 11:49.58 | qfr | I just want to get rid of the messages :( not sure what I should do about that |
| 11:50.14 | flami | qfr: delte all teh mails ;) |
| 11:50.19 | petemc | qfr: pam_mail , i think |
| 11:50.21 | flami | damn lotsa typos |
| 11:50.36 | nsadmin | ceh teh? |
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| 11:50.57 | qfr | I don't understand the "mail" client, haha |
| 11:51.11 | qfr | d for delete on the indices doesn't appear to do anything |
| 11:51.18 | flami | goto /var/mail , i think thats where they are |
| 11:51.20 | qfr | d 1 2 3 4; d 1; still all there :( |
| 11:51.21 | qfr | Right |
| 11:51.33 | nsadmin | they come up |
| 11:51.41 | flami | also mutt beats mail anytime. |
| 11:51.43 | nsadmin | when you delete 1, doesn't 2 become 1? |
| 11:52.13 | nsadmin | I used to like that separated client, I forgot what it's called |
| 11:52.35 | nsadmin | qfr: |
| 11:52.37 | nsadmin | 1 |
| 11:52.41 | nsadmin | d1 |
| 11:52.42 | nsadmin | 1 |
| 11:52.51 | qfr | 3 lines?! Odd |
| 11:52.57 | nsadmin | do you see two different mails? |
| 11:53.00 | qfr | -rw-r--r-- 1 void void 7614 2010-04-29 17:33 /var/mail/void; rm void says permission denied though |
| 11:53.06 | qfr | I am puzzled |
| 11:53.16 | nsadmin | are you void? |
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| 11:53.21 | qfr | Yep |
| 11:53.24 | qfr | Oh you write to the directory to remove a file? |
| 11:53.32 | qfr | So you need permissions for the dir inode I guess? |
| 11:53.33 | nsadmin | correct |
| 11:53.37 | nsadmin | correct |
| 11:53.46 | nsadmin | for the dir |
| 11:53.53 | bigmahatma | hello again! Ifound a newer version of acerhk, and this seems to be compatible with lenny |
| 11:53.54 | nsadmin | inodes are below the line :) |
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| 11:54.13 | bigmahatma | only, when compiled it complains with: |
| 11:54.15 | nsadmin | bigmahatma, ok |
| 11:54.25 | bigmahatma | make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.30-bpo.1-686' |
| 11:54.26 | flami | bigmahatma: have fun compiling :P |
| 11:54.26 | bigmahatma | /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.30-bpo.1-common/scripts/Makefile.build:49: *** CFLAGS was changed in "/home/ale/Desktop/acerhk-0.5.35/Makefile". Fix it to use EXTRA_CFLAGS. Stop. |
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| 11:54.45 | bigmahatma | do you know what that means? |
| 11:54.58 | nsadmin | edit that file |
| 11:55.03 | nsadmin | go to line 49 |
| 11:55.08 | nsadmin | see what that line is |
| 11:56.00 | nsadmin | wait, hmm, you might not be able to fix that |
| 11:56.04 | flami | bigmahatma: I would assume ,that this thing you want to compile is for another kernel version . |
| 11:56.14 | jargon- | how do i change this into a network repo line? deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 5.0.1 _Lenny_ - Official i386 DVD Binary-1 20090413-00:33]/ lenny contrib main |
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| 11:56.46 | nsadmin | jargon-, get rid of that line... and, what country? |
| 11:56.53 | jargon- | nsadmin: uk |
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| 11:57.17 | bigmahatma | ifeq ($(KBUILD_NOPEDANTIC),) |
| 11:57.17 | bigmahatma | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:57.17 | bigmahatma | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:57.20 | bigmahatma | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:57.23 | bigmahatma | endif |
| 11:57.24 | flami | jargon-: delete (or put a # in front of it ) that line, add a new one like , deb eb http://ftp.<yourcountry>.debian.org/debian lenny main contrib non-free |
| 11:57.42 | flami | woot whats that eb doing there? |
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| 11:58.00 | nsadmin | try deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian lenny main contrib |
| 11:58.10 | flami | deb http://ftp.<your country>.debian.org/debian lenny main contrib non-free |
| 11:58.30 | flami | oh yes non-free is kinda evil ;) |
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| 11:58.47 | nsadmin | well I only did that because that's what he had |
| 11:58.59 | bigmahatma | so you mean I cannot compile it on my kernel? |
| 11:59.05 | nsadmin | besides non-free never make it to cd |
| 11:59.11 | flami | bigmahatma: yes :P |
| 11:59.29 | bigmahatma | is there a way around it? |
| 11:59.33 | flami | the internal kernel APIs tend to change a lot |
| 11:59.35 | jargon- | nsadmin: flami: ok, thank u. |
| 11:59.50 | nsadmin | yes but it requires you to know the languages being written in |
| 12:00.02 | flami | you could try to find out what that thing called, and port it to the new kernel version |
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| 12:00.22 | bigmahatma | besides, the README it mentions 2.26 so I supposed it should work |
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| 12:01.18 | flami | of course you need to know C, and the kernel API |
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| 12:01.18 | bigmahatma | indeed, it's not for me :( |
| 12:01.18 | flami | bigmahatma: you are using 2.6.30 . maybe try the stock lenny kernel, its 2.6.26 |
| 12:01.19 | nsadmin | or at least be able to read it sufficiently to port |
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| 12:01.54 | bigmahatma | how can I downgrade the kernel version? |
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| 12:02.18 | flami | sure |
| 12:02.26 | bigmahatma | how? |
| 12:02.28 | flami | aptitude search linux-image . |
| 12:02.33 | flami | install the one you want |
| 12:02.36 | nsadmin | bigmahatma: you're running lenny now right? |
| 12:02.40 | bigmahatma | yes |
| 12:02.41 | flami | reboot , select the right kernel in grub |
| 12:02.59 | flami | Im still wondering how you got the .30 kernel |
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| 12:03.10 | nsadmin | so, you should know that lenny is probably most happy with .26 |
| 12:03.18 | bigmahatma | can I even install a 2.4, and it will be automatically added to grub? |
| 12:03.36 | nsadmin | probably but I don't think lenny would work with that version' |
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| 12:03.57 | flami | bigmahatma: normally yes, if not just run update-grub |
| 12:03.58 | bigmahatma | I don't know how I got 2.30.. I think I installed something that required it |
| 12:04.20 | bigmahatma | well I'll give a try with 2.26 and we'll see |
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| 12:13.54 | cafaro_ | Anyone could tell me how to get pastebinit working on lenny? (-b doesn't work either) |
| 12:14.10 | themill | prods jordanm |
| 12:14.22 | nsadmin | I got a pastebinit from before it was packaged, which I renamed |
| 12:14.34 | nsadmin | why doesn't it work? |
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| 12:15.00 | nsadmin | to make the version I have work, I had to install some perl modules |
| 12:15.00 | themill | nsadmin: most of the paste sites it tries to used have now closed |
| 12:15.09 | themill | it's a python script |
| 12:15.16 | nsadmin | not the one I have |
| 12:15.27 | nsadmin | well let me check |
| 12:15.41 | themill | ,info pastebinit |
| 12:15.43 | judd | pastebinit (misc, optional): command-line pastebin client. Version: 0.10-2; Size: 9.0k; Installed: 88k; Homepage: http://launchpad.net/pastebinit/ |
| 12:15.52 | jordanm | TheOnly: with good timing too |
| 12:16.11 | nsadmin | yep, mine's in perl |
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| 12:16.20 | nsadmin | yep, mine's in perl |
| 12:16.40 | themill | nsadmin: clearly not the pastebinit script from lenny then |
| 12:16.46 | nsadmin | correct |
| 12:16.53 | nsadmin | I even renamed it |
| 12:17.05 | jordanm | themill: I patched lenny's last night |
| 12:17.16 | nsadmin | but it wasn't either packaged or called pastebinit |
| 12:17.47 | jordanm | nsadmin: every distro seems to have their own. gentoo - wgetpaste, fedora - fpaste. sure there are more |
| 12:17.48 | flami | Hey who had the idea to call the tomcat native apr libs " libtcnative-1 " :P . i was quite lucky to find them . |
| 12:17.55 | nsadmin | hmm, mine's taking quite awhile |
| 12:18.22 | nsadmin | jordanm, there was a dpkg factoid about where to get this script |
| 12:18.31 | themill | cafaro_: "pastebinit -b http://paste.ubuntu.com" will work |
| 12:18.38 | nsadmin | yeah, seems like min's not working |
| 12:19.07 | jordanm | yeah... I can't recommand the patched package to anyone because I did not increment the version number |
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| 12:19.23 | nsadmin | well if they don't like us using it someone should ask for paste.debian.org |
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| 12:19.38 | jordanm | nsadmin: I already have |
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| 12:19.50 | jordanm | nsadmin: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=572728 |
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| 12:22.03 | nsadmin | rafb.net/paste has been discontinued - May 25, 2009 |
| 12:22.12 | nsadmin | awww, that was my favorite one too |
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| 12:23.05 | nsadmin | the other thing is some of these pastebin sites do weird things when you click on the text, like lead to ads |
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| 12:24.22 | nsadmin | pastebin.com works when you directly access it |
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| 12:25.02 | jordanm | nsadmin: pastebin.com works when you use my my patch... |
| 12:25.13 | nsadmin | what does the patch do? |
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| 12:25.59 | nsadmin | mymymymy sharona |
| 12:26.13 | jordanm | nsadmin: it changes the POST data sent to pastebin.com, since pastebin.com changed the api since the lenny release |
| 12:26.24 | nsadmin | oh ok |
| 12:26.34 | nsadmin | do they publish that api? |
| 12:26.41 | jordanm | yes |
| 12:27.03 | nsadmin | ah, cool... so they're apparantly ok with things like pastebinit |
| 12:27.04 | jordanm | nsadmin: http://pastebin.com/api.php |
| 12:27.09 | jordanm | yep |
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| 12:46.49 | ribasushi | if I have the source for a debian package |
| 12:46.57 | ribasushi | what do I need to do to turn it into a nice .deb ? |
| 12:47.04 | ribasushi | (I need to patch a single line) |
| 12:47.15 | themill | ribasushi: /msg dpkg package recompile |
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| 12:49.40 | RedNifre | What? |
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| 12:50.18 | RedNifre | Heh, from my client it looks like I'm the only one in the channel |
| 12:50.25 | RedNifre | And nasofe, who just entered. |
| 12:50.35 | nsadmin | you and about a thousand others |
| 12:50.39 | RedNifre | Got me by surprise, but apparently you are just doing mimicry. |
| 12:50.43 | jordanm | RedNifre: try: /who |
| 12:50.54 | themill | suggests a better client |
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| 12:51.46 | RedNifre | dammit! |
| 12:51.58 | nsadmin | What? |
| 12:52.04 | RedNifre | Good. Well, my problem is this: There are debian machines at university, I needed a special program and the sysop told me to install it "in my home". How to do that? |
| 12:52.07 | nsadmin | (NOW im doing mickry :) |
| 12:52.10 | RedNifre | (Got a disconnect) |
| 12:52.33 | RedNifre | Also, how to figure out if the computers are 32 or 64 bit? There is no lshw installed... |
| 12:52.34 | nsadmin | so you can't install a package |
| 12:52.50 | nsadmin | because the op is not letting you in as root |
| 12:53.11 | nsadmin | ask the admin guy |
| 12:53.14 | jordanm | RedNifre: ask the admin... file $(which binary) |
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| 12:54.14 | nsadmin | what client are you using? |
| 12:54.28 | nsadmin | or not using :) |
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| 12:54.52 | themill | telepathy-idle |
| 12:55.11 | RedNifre | My connection is breaking up. |
| 12:55.19 | RedNifre | Does Debian come with a IRC client? |
| 12:55.22 | nsadmin | what client you're using? |
| 12:55.24 | nsadmin | yes |
| 12:55.27 | nsadmin | lots |
| 12:55.40 | RedNifre | I'm currently on my ubuntu laptop AND on the university desktop. I'm chatting from Ubuntu. |
| 12:55.53 | RedNifre | All programs in "Internet" have funny names, which one does IRC? |
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| 12:56.07 | nsadmin | ok, out of curiousity why not install the package onto your laptop? |
| 12:56.24 | RedNifre | It's dropbox. I want to sync my Laptop with my university computer |
| 12:56.25 | jordanm | RedNifre: you seem to expect us to know how your admin configured those boxes, you need to ask the person that set them up |
| 12:56.27 | nsadmin | but details about that deferred to #ubuntu |
| 12:56.41 | RedNifre | I don't have any problems with ubuntu. |
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| 12:56.51 | nsadmin | yes I'm aware |
| 12:56.52 | RedNifre | I just want to know how to install a .deb without root access |
| 12:56.55 | erry | Can i ask a stuid question? |
| 12:57.00 | RedNifre | Yes, please. |
| 12:57.00 | jordanm | RedNifre: you can't |
| 12:57.06 | erry | how do you gzip files without deliting the origina;? |
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| 12:57.28 | RedNifre | Well, what did the sysop mean when she wrote "install it to your home directory"? |
| 12:57.32 | nsadmin | use gzip -dc and redirect the stream |
| 12:57.37 | simonrvn | erry: man gzip |
| 12:57.38 | LUBzB | i put a new NIC in my server, but lspci doesn't show it. is there a way to make debian look for it and find a driver? |
| 12:57.50 | nsadmin | err not -d |
| 12:57.54 | nsadmin | just -c |
| 12:58.13 | jordanm | LUBzB: did you install it while the system was running? |
| 12:58.18 | nsadmin | well nevermind, see the man page; not so sure I've got it right |
| 12:58.37 | jordanm | -c looks right to me, though I have never tested |
| 12:58.50 | LUBzB | jordanm: no, i installed it while not running, then booted |
| 12:58.58 | nsadmin | -dc would be like zcat |
| 12:59.21 | jordanm | LUBzB: was it detected by your bios? are you sure its seated good? |
| 12:59.42 | nsadmin | oh man... you want to check all that with the machine OFF |
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| 12:59.57 | RedNifre | So, you say there is absolutely no way to install a .deb without root access? :-( |
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| 13:00.03 | erry | yeah i read that and i figured it would be -c but that shows the output on screen |
| 13:00.19 | jordanm | RedNifre: no, but you can compile and install software in your homedir, provided you have the tools to compile |
| 13:00.27 | erry | i mean it shows like giberrish :S |
| 13:00.29 | RedNifre | I don't have the source code |
| 13:00.32 | RedNifre | It's proprietary |
| 13:00.33 | jordanm | erry: redirct the output |
| 13:00.38 | erry | jordanm, oh with >? |
| 13:00.41 | jordanm | RedNifre: use something else |
| 13:00.47 | LUBzB | jordanm, its def seated good, not sure about the BIOS and can't reboot right now |
| 13:00.54 | jordanm | erry: that would be a redirect, yes |
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| 13:01.02 | erry | jordanm, thanks |
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| 13:01.24 | jordanm | LUBzB: have a loot at dmesg |
| 13:01.27 | jordanm | look |
| 13:01.34 | RedNifre | I tried, but nothing comes close to Dropbox. I actually would much prefer to have something like Dropbox on my own server, but there is nothing as good. Or at least I couldn't find it... |
| 13:01.36 | nsadmin | learn about the three streams that every process has when it starts |
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| 13:01.56 | jordanm | RedNifre: rsync |
| 13:02.01 | RedNifre | But thanks anyway. Guess I'll have to talk miss sysop into installing it for me then. |
| 13:02.11 | RedNifre | rsync lacks a lot of the features I use. |
| 13:02.21 | nsadmin | oh, she's a she? |
| 13:02.22 | RedNifre | Like sharing folders, a web interface and public links |
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| 13:02.59 | jordanm | as long as you trust them with your data I suppose... |
| 13:03.09 | nsadmin | why do you presently consider the machine "yours" and why does she not? |
| 13:03.11 | RedNifre | I don't. I only put non-critical data in it |
| 13:04.03 | nsadmin | earlier in the conversion, you said this machine was yours... did you mean yours for the time being? |
| 13:04.04 | abrotman | RedNifre: you can unpack it |
| 13:04.12 | RedNifre | nsadmin: No, not at all |
| 13:04.30 | nsadmin | then what did you mean? |
| 13:04.33 | RedNifre | It's a university computer. There are about 50 of them here and I can log in with my account details |
| 13:04.47 | nsadmin | to any of them, right? |
| 13:04.52 | RedNifre | yes |
| 13:05.07 | RedNifre | I got 500MB of space, but of course no right to install anything. |
| 13:05.26 | nsadmin | so to use this thing would require her to install it on all 50 |
| 13:05.40 | nsadmin | and since it is proprietary, she would have to go chase the licensing |
| 13:05.57 | RedNifre | No, they are of course connected to the web and are all identical. She just has to install it on the image and distribute it on the web. |
| 13:06.12 | nsadmin | and since she hasn't seen it before, she would have to test it |
| 13:06.19 | RedNifre | She had no problem installing Opera for me, probably because she saw that it would be useful to many people. |
| 13:06.27 | nsadmin | so you're going to ask her to install it on all machines |
| 13:06.31 | RedNifre | But she said that I should install Dropbox and Truecrypt to my home. |
| 13:06.34 | nsadmin | oh brother. good luck. |
| 13:06.41 | LUBzB | jordanm: doesn't look like the device is even mentioned in dmesg. i scrolled up to when the boot process began and worked myself through until the end, nothing. |
| 13:06.44 | abrotman | RedNifre: what is the software in question ? |
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| 13:06.55 | RedNifre | Dropbox and Truecrypt. She said I should install it to my home. |
| 13:06.56 | erry | um.. i cant seem to be able to play music |
| 13:07.19 | mius | RedNifre: maybe use svn? |
| 13:07.25 | LUBzB | jordanm: the LED works, but i guess thats just an electronic circuit that is closed once a cable is plugged in. however it shows that it is plugged in properly |
| 13:07.25 | nsadmin | erry: what instrument do you play? |
| 13:07.33 | erry | nsadmin, i mean in amarok :p |
| 13:07.34 | RedNifre | erry: practice more |
| 13:07.37 | erry | lol |
| 13:07.58 | RedNifre | MP3 needs licenses, so it's not available by default, I think |
| 13:08.01 | nsadmin | erry: how do you get to carnegie hall? |
| 13:08.06 | erry | nsadmin, huh? |
| 13:08.09 | nsadmin | practice practice practice! |
| 13:08.14 | erry | RedNifre, what do i have to dl? |
| 13:08.38 | erry | nsadmin, i can't read or write the music notation system, im afraid |
| 13:08.47 | RedNifre | No idea, I'm a Ubuntu user and it just was like "You need an MP3 decoder. Do you want to download and install it?" and that was it. |
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| 13:08.53 | nsadmin | then you'll just have to improvise :) |
| 13:08.57 | erry | RedNifre, im on ubuntu now actually |
| 13:09.02 | erry | RedNifre, but their channel banned me |
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| 13:09.20 | erry | um yeah so can you help :S |
| 13:09.25 | azeem | erry: sorry, no |
| 13:09.25 | RedNifre | Weird. My Ubuntu plays MP3 just fine. |
| 13:09.32 | simonrvn | ... |
| 13:09.35 | erry | RedNifre, in amarok? |
| 13:09.39 | RedNifre | What happens when you open a MP3 in Rhythmbox? |
| 13:09.41 | azeem | erry: ask them to unban you in a couple of days/weeks, or ask on their forums |
| 13:09.54 | erry | azeem, s/days/years |
| 13:09.58 | RedNifre | Maybe Rhythmbox or Mediaplayer can install the codec and amarok findns it then? |
| 13:10.02 | nsadmin | years? why? |
| 13:10.07 | azeem | RedNifre: please take this elsewhere |
| 13:10.19 | erry | Rythmbox works |
| 13:10.27 | RedNifre | Then ask the amarok-people |
| 13:10.34 | erry | k |
| 13:10.38 | jordanm | LUBzB: I can only assume it is not detected by your board/bios at all |
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| 13:10.55 | RedNifre | Back to my problem: So you are basically saying it is impossible for me to install any programs and the sysop was wrong when she said to "install it in my home directory"? |
| 13:11.00 | aguitel | what the best way to find fastest mirror? |
| 13:11.09 | nsadmin | apt-spy? |
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| 13:11.29 | LUBzB | jordanm: it is a pretty old card, like 7 years, but a new board so yeah maybe. i'll try and reboot as soon as i can |
| 13:11.35 | nsadmin | dunno if that;'s the best way |
| 13:11.55 | aguitel | nsadmin, for example |
| 13:12.09 | jordanm | LUBzB: possible the card is faulty |
| 13:12.12 | nsadmin | LUBzB: please tell me the machine was OFF when you plugged the card in |
| 13:12.23 | jordanm | nsadmin: yes, it was |
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| 13:12.37 | nsadmin | that would be a good thing... |
| 13:12.49 | jordanm | has done just about everything while forgetting to turn off the PC at some point |
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| 13:13.00 | LUBzB | haha |
| 13:13.17 | nsadmin | with varying degrees of luck? :) |
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| 13:13.39 | jordanm | hehe, the dangers of an overly-quiet machine |
| 13:14.38 | dukebody | Hello, I installed libmysql-java in squeeze but I'm unable to connect to the database in a java program. I get "No suitable driver found for jdbc:mysql://localhost:3306/mydatabase" after trying to "Class.forName("org.mysql.Driver");". Do I need to do something after installing the debian package for the connector to work? |
| 13:16.38 | nsadmin | dukebody: I dunno mysql at all... but I can ask, is it running on locahost port 3306? |
| 13:17.16 | jordanm | dukebody: try disabling ipv6... there is some bugs that deal with java and ipv6 in squeeze |
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| 13:18.01 | dukebody | nsadmin: yes it is |
| 13:18.08 | dukebody | jordanm: how to disable this? |
| 13:18.20 | simonrvn | dukebody: /etc/sysctl.d/bindv6only.conf try putting the setting there to 0 and then sysctl -p |
| 13:18.43 | jordanm | !noipv6 |
| 13:18.43 | dpkg | [noipv6] To disable use of <IPv6> on Lenny: echo "install ipv6 /bin/true" >> /etc/modprobe.d/local.conf (and reboot for the changes to take effect). From Squeeze onwards, IPv6 is built into the kernel, add the kernel command line option "ipv6.disable=1" to your bootloader. |
| 13:18.50 | jordanm | simonrvn: only applies to < lenny |
| 13:19.07 | jordanm | simonrvn: atleast, that is what I understood |
| 13:19.08 | simonrvn | what does? |
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| 13:19.17 | simonrvn | bindv6only? |
| 13:19.20 | jordanm | yes |
| 13:19.24 | Deltachaos | vote for CS5 on linux: http://poll.pollcode.com/Xxah |
| 13:19.25 | simonrvn | er, no. |
| 13:19.31 | simonrvn | Deltachaos: go away |
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| 13:19.55 | simonrvn | is on sid and it affects things |
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| 13:20.14 | simonrvn | net.ipv6.bindv6only = 0 |
| 13:20.37 | courpse | dukebody: You got the mysql-connector-java package? |
| 13:20.39 | themill | bindv6only and noipv6 are quite different things |
| 13:20.58 | dukebody | courpse: ups |
| 13:21.08 | simonrvn | apache directory studio client wouldn't work unless i set that to 0 |
| 13:21.20 | dukebody | courpse: I cannot find any |
| 13:21.47 | dukebody | but libmysql-java includes /usr/share/java/mysql-connector-java-5.1.10.jar |
| 13:21.53 | simonrvn | confused the hell out of me untill i did some "web research" |
| 13:22.10 | dukebody | ppl has told me to put this file in the CLASSPATH, but I'd guess it should already be there |
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| 13:27.56 | RedNifre | For those who care: You can install programs to your home without root by extracting data manually and running the file in bin from a terminal. |
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| 13:28.37 | jordanm | RedNifre: I think I said that? |
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| 13:28.54 | bolt | i think a billion webpages say that |
| 13:29.07 | simonrvn | billion.5 :P |
| 13:29.09 | RedNifre | Everyone said it's impossible... well, just forget about it. |
| 13:29.17 | simonrvn | er, no? |
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| 13:29.19 | abrotman | i asked you which program |
| 13:29.26 | abrotman | and i said you could unpack it manually |
| 13:29.27 | simonrvn | was lurking |
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| 13:36.38 | helo | is it possible for me to mount an ext4 partition with lenny? |
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| 13:39.20 | jordanm | helo: yes, but it is the ext4_dev version |
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| 13:42.25 | ershad | Should i install sid to get KDE 4.4.3 working ? Please help. |
| 13:42.50 | dukebody | I managed to make mysql work with my tomcat installation placing the mysql-connector-java.jar file into the WEB-INFO/lib folder of my app. |
| 13:42.55 | jordanm | !sid |
| 13:42.55 | dpkg | sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. Sid is the destructive kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in; sid is not supported in #debian because sid users should be able to solve their own problems. Sid will never be released. See also <sid faq> <unstable>. |
| 13:43.05 | jordanm | !tell ershad about sns |
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| 13:45.00 | ershad | jordanm: ok |
| 13:45.00 | ershad | jordanm: you mean not sid ? |
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| 13:45.59 | jordanm | ershad: unless you are an experienced debian user/admin, you don't want sid |
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| 13:46.53 | ershad | jordanm: ok, I would like to have KDE 4.4.3 in debian, can i have it in stable ? |
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| 13:47.04 | jordanm | ershad: no |
| 13:47.28 | ershad | jordanm: ok, any other way ? |
| 13:48.11 | jordanm | ershad: there is testing as opossed to unstable, but again, only if you are an experienced user |
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| 13:48.46 | skillZ | helloo Oleg |
| 13:49.05 | Oleg | hi skillZ |
| 13:49.13 | skillZ | have you soe idea |
| 13:49.18 | skillZ | some* |
| 13:49.34 | Oleg | slowly getting there |
| 13:49.36 | ershad | jordanm: well, it's ok. Thank you, nice day :) |
| 13:50.03 | jordanm | ershad: np |
| 13:50.16 | skillZ | bbiab getting my multimeter |
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| 13:51.38 | denysonique | there is no #sid channel for sid? |
| 13:52.05 | skillZ | back |
| 13:52.19 | jeff_hann | denysonique, no |
| 13:52.20 | jordanm | denysonique: sid is not officially supported. occasionally on the mailing lists... if you run sid your support is the BTS |
| 13:52.35 | denysonique | bts? |
| 13:52.39 | jordanm | !bts |
| 13:52.39 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges |
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| 13:53.06 | denysonique | hmm, these sid warning sound more scary than running unstable is |
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| 13:53.35 | jeff_hann | denysonique, to each his own |
| 13:53.36 | helo | it is not, because the degree of 'scariness' can vary unpredictably |
| 13:53.49 | jordanm | denysonique: sid _is_ unstable |
| 13:53.52 | helo | including complete data loss, etc |
| 13:54.10 | helo | generally one can install unstable and it will ostensibly work |
| 13:54.17 | denysonique | helo, well that data loss is very rare |
| 13:54.25 | jordanm | !moving target |
| 13:54.25 | dpkg | Sure, testing might be shiner that stable, but are you prepared to be continually updating your system? Things that worked today will break tomorrow. Configuration file formats will change and you'll have to fold your changes in yet again. Testing is a moving target and if you'd rather work *with* your computer rather than working *on* your computer, you might not want that. See <testing security>. |
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| 13:54.50 | denysonique | okay so sid == testing right? is there also experimental? |
| 13:54.51 | helo | the longer you run it, the more problems you will encounter... |
| 13:54.52 | jordanm | fine until you need to get some work done but yesterday's upgrade boke application X that you need |
| 13:55.02 | jordanm | denysonique: sid == unstable |
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| 13:55.08 | denysonique | helo, not true, after time bugs get fixed |
| 13:55.12 | nigercunnt | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:55.13 | nigercunnt | < #linuxwarez @ irc.efnet.org > |
| 13:55.13 | nigercunnt | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:55.14 | nigercunnt | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:55.14 | nigercunnt | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:55.23 | helo | denysonique: that doesn't mean the problem wasn't encountered :) |
| 13:55.33 | denysonique | jargon-, what is the current xorg version in sid? |
| 13:55.48 | jordanm | !ops nigercunnt offsensive nick thats looks like he is here to spam |
| 13:55.48 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: jordanm complains about: nigercunnt offsensive nick thats looks like he is here to spam |
| 13:55.55 | nevyn | !ops nigercunnt is being a idiot |
| 13:55.55 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: nevyn complains about: nigercunnt is being a idiot |
| 13:56.10 | jeff_hann | denysonique, 7.5 |
| 13:56.17 | nevyn | ooh a higer authority |
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| 13:56.41 | denysonique | adn xorg-server? |
| 13:56.55 | jordanm | denysonique: /msg judd versions xorg-server |
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| 13:57.17 | jeff_hann | denysonique, same |
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| 13:57.31 | denysonique | 7.5? xorg-server... |
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| 13:58.02 | denysonique | its 1.7 |
| 13:58.38 | jeff_hann | whoops |
| 13:58.55 | jordanm | ,versions xserver-xorg-core |
| 13:58.57 | judd | xserver-xorg-core -- etch: 2:1.1.1-21etch5; etch-security: 2:1.1.1-21etch5; lenny: 2:1.4.2-10.lenny2; squeeze: 2:1.7.6.901-3; sid: 2:1.7.7-1 |
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| 13:59.49 | jeff_hann | back to the coffee pot.. |
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| 14:00.10 | timecop | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:00.10 | timecop | < #linuxwarez @ irc.efnet.org > |
| 14:00.11 | timecop | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:00.11 | timecop | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:00.12 | timecop | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:00.51 | xxtjaxx | timecop: wtf is that a flood attack? |
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| 14:01.04 | jordanm | !ops timecop spamming |
| 14:01.04 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: jordanm complains about: timecop spamming |
| 14:01.17 | xxtjaxx | besides that to talk in your language timecop: |
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| 14:01.46 | xxtjaxx | ah damn... |
| 14:02.15 | helo | what will we do now?! |
| 14:02.17 | xxtjaxx | but I have to say nice aski speach-bubble |
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| 14:03.01 | xxtjaxx | well helo go on with our daily duties I suppose |
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| 14:04.03 | helo | a bot coming into an irc channel is kind of like the power going out at work |
| 14:04.30 | helo | err spambot |
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| 14:05.57 | jargon- | denysonique: i don't know. i'm using lenny |
| 14:06.30 | jargon- | denysonique: in lenny it's 1:7.3+20 |
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| 14:11.00 | giaco | hello |
| 14:12.06 | xxtjaxx | hi |
| 14:12.40 | giaco | If I install apache2 it comes with the prefork model, but I want the worker model. But all apache2 stuff like php5. phpmyadmin etc depends on apache prefork. Making a long story short: I can't use apache worker in debian though apt right now. Any solution? |
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| 14:14.22 | dbbolton | which locale does "en_US" actually mean? |
| 14:14.40 | helo | espanola from the US |
| 14:14.53 | denysonique | lol |
| 14:15.04 | dbbolton | that sounds right |
| 14:15.18 | giaco | lol |
| 14:15.37 | dbbolton | i mean is it a link to either utf-8 or iso-8859-15 |
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| 14:16.14 | denysonique | en_US.utf-8 |
| 14:17.06 | dbbolton | so why does that option exist? |
| 14:17.47 | denysonique | man locale |
| 14:18.04 | dbbolton | i read three different sections of it in fact |
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| 14:19.11 | dbbolton | i'm referring specifically to the debian installer |
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| 14:22.14 | LUBzB | i had a NIC problem earlier, turns out the NIC was broken. now i have a working NIC, it is listed in lspci, but thats it. how can i get it to run? i'm assuming i need a driver, but maybe there is a way to make debian look for it and install it? |
| 14:22.15 | SirDerigo | http://pastebin.com/uW3axnsf hi guys, is there any problem with java in sid? |
| 14:22.21 | SirDerigo | or its just me? |
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| 14:24.03 | jordanm | LUBzB: lspci -nn, report the pciid |
| 14:24.31 | jordanm | !tell SirDerigo about bts |
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| 14:26.41 | LUBzB | jordanm: 01:04.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8662 Host Bridge [1106:3102] (rev 86) |
| 14:26.47 | LUBzB | jordanm: thats all it says |
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| 14:27.57 | jordanm | ,pciid 1106:3102 |
| 14:27.59 | judd | [1106:3102] is 'VT8662 Host Bridge' from 'VIA Technologies, Inc.' with no known kernel module in lenny or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1106:3102 |
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| 14:28.15 | SirDerigo | sorry internet issues |
| 14:28.17 | jordanm | LUBzB: you picked a card not supported by the linux kernel it seems |
| 14:28.26 | jordanm | those are hard to find... |
| 14:28.31 | azeem | not sure host bridges have kernel modules |
| 14:28.41 | azeem | well, probably they do |
| 14:28.42 | helo | haha\ |
| 14:28.52 | jordanm | azeem: your right... I should have looked at that closer |
| 14:28.53 | LUBzB | jordanm: wow.. i thought linux had trouble with NEW hardware, not with OLD ^^ |
| 14:29.11 | jordanm | LUBzB: is that the only line the mentions ethernet? |
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| 14:30.01 | LUBzB | jordanm: yes, for this NIC anyway |
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| 14:35.35 | LUBzB | jordanm: i guess i'll buy another NIC then ^^ |
| 14:36.24 | wecing | hello everyone. i've just installed debian lenny. but suddenly i found that my ati hd3200 didn't work well on it. i want to install ibus on my pc, but the package is only for squeeze. somebody said that ati's official driver doesn't work well on squeeze, is that true? |
| 14:37.11 | jordanm | LUBzB: intel is usually the safest best (although usually a bit more expensive) |
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| 14:37.35 | jordanm | !tell wecing about ati |
| 14:37.53 | wecing | :-P |
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| 14:38.15 | Kuifje111 | I have a small question. Currently I have to run dhclient before I get an IP assigned via DHCP, is it possible to get an IP when my box boots? |
| 14:38.41 | jordanm | !interfaces |
| 14:38.42 | dpkg | Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for documentation, "zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz" for example configurations. Start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client>, <resolv.conf>, <static route>. |
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| 14:45.43 | wecing | hey everyone. i'm using ati radeon hd 3200. after installing xserver-xorg-video-radeon and libgl1-mesa-dri, what should i do with xorg.conf? |
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| 14:47.16 | wols | wecing: nothing? |
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| 14:49.08 | xxtjaxx | wecing: what do you want to do? Fancy graphics? |
| 14:49.28 | wecing | wols: is Driver "radeon" needed? |
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| 14:51.00 | wecing | xxtjaxx: 1440*900:-P |
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| 14:52.32 | jordanm | wecing: no, hal should autodetect and load the correct driver. you can verify in /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 14:53.03 | wecing | jordanm: thank you very very very much... |
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| 14:55.51 | wecing | jordanm: but... lenny has already installed these two packages automatically when installing the system. |
| 14:56.11 | mbruins | hi, at work my boss got this debian sid box installed to test something. now im kinda newb. but when i run 'aptitude update' it gave me a 404 on all security.debian.org. i read some sid faqs and noticed there are no securtiy updates. is it safe to say that i can remove the security.debian.org lines from /etc/apt/sources.list? |
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| 14:56.58 | jeff_hann | mbruins, yes |
| 14:57.18 | jeff_hann | mbruins, if it's sid only; testing has security updates |
| 14:57.35 | themill | jeff_hann: sometimes. Not at present. |
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| 14:57.47 | mbruins | jeff_hann: iirc, my boss upgraded from testing.. there are some security lines in /etc/apt/sources.list but ofc. they all 404 |
| 14:57.53 | wols | wecing: so what does your X log say? |
| 14:58.01 | mbruins | i can imagine because there are no security updates on sid |
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| 14:58.05 | mbruins | but i just need to be sure |
| 14:58.19 | jeff_hann | mbruins, if uncertain, paste sources.list somewhere |
| 14:58.36 | mbruins | jeff_hann: well alright but this prolly looks stupid |
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| 14:59.16 | mbruins | jeff_hann: http://pastebin.com/purrzQH2 |
| 14:59.50 | mbruins | btw now i read it should be lenny-backports be sid-backports? |
| 14:59.54 | mbruins | i should google that.. |
| 15:00.01 | jeff_hann | mbruins, no sid backports |
| 15:00.23 | jeff_hann | and yes, you can comment out the security updates |
| 15:00.24 | themill | mbruins: think about what backports mean... :) |
| 15:00.57 | wecing | wols: it's... so long. |
| 15:01.03 | wols | !paste |
| 15:01.04 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastebin.ca/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>. |
| 15:01.48 | mbruins | =) thanks |
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| 15:02.19 | mbruins | am i safe to say that i can remove those security lines from the sid work box? (again this is not my box so please bear with me) |
| 15:02.31 | jeff_hann | mbruins, yeah |
| 15:02.36 | mbruins | thank alot jeff_hann |
| 15:02.54 | mbruins | btw, im running lenny and i happy enough =) |
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| 15:03.14 | wecing | wols: sorry... it's on another pc. |
| 15:03.14 | jeff_hann | mbruins, on lenny you may find backports useful |
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| 15:04.56 | mbruins | jeff_hann: well actually i believe they added backports for flashplayer-nonfree iirc |
| 15:05.03 | alechiko | Does anyone here use Mac and Parallels desktop (for mac) with debian? |
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| 15:05.19 | mbruins | jeff_hann: would that be nececary? |
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| 15:05.49 | jeff_hann | mbruins, any update for flash would help, since it has its issues with security |
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| 15:07.13 | mbruins | jeff_hann: alright thanks for all youre help |
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| 15:08.24 | LUBzB | ,pciid 10b7:9055 |
| 15:08.27 | judd | [10b7:9055] is '3c905B 100BaseTX [Cyclone]' from '3Com Corporation' with kernel module '3c59x' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10b7:9055 |
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| 15:08.53 | jordanm | LUBzB: that one should work otb |
| 15:09.14 | LUBzB | jordanm: it doesn't show in ifconfig |
| 15:10.29 | wols | LUBzB: ifconfig -a ? |
| 15:10.29 | jordanm | LUBzB: what about dmesg | grep eth? |
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| 15:11.11 | LUBzB | wols: thanks, now i have eth1 as well, i assume thats the one |
| 15:11.58 | LUBzB | jordanm: only eth0, the other NIC. i guess i need to create a config file for the new NIC |
| 15:12.13 | xxtjaxx | when I run irrecord with irrecord --driver=default --device=/dev/lircd ./RM-C1100 on sid I get check permissions and see if lircd is running which it is not and permissions are set world writable for /dev/lircd why does it still not work ? |
| 15:12.15 | wols | !tell LUBzB about 70 |
| 15:12.28 | wols | LUBzB: eth0 in dmesg and eth1 from ifconfig are one and the same |
| 15:12.34 | solifugus | I forgot, and cannot seem to find, the command to tell me what package provides a particular file.... |
| 15:12.43 | wols | dpkg -S |
| 15:12.43 | dpkg | wols: bugger all, i dunno |
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| 15:14.51 | solifugus | wols: thanks.. It didn't find any Catalyst/ScriptRunner.pm or just ScriptRunner.pm so I guess this just means I'M SCREWED!! (but thanks) |
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| 15:15.53 | LUBzB | wols: doesn't look like they are the same. i now added eth1 to /etc/network/interfaces and restarted networking. ifconfig now lists both eth0 and eth1 and they have different MACs |
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| 15:16.40 | jordanm | LUBzB: likely it was there before but it was no "up" so it would only display give the -a option |
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| 15:17.14 | wols | LUBzB: if there is no mention of eth1 in your kernel log, that interface doesn't exist :) |
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| 15:17.28 | wols | solifugus: did you install the crap from ati.com? |
| 15:18.24 | pzn | I need to plot graphics "like openoffice calc", change x/y scale and zoom in/out/pan for data analysis. but openoffice is tooooo slow for 1mega data pairs. which debian app can you recommend me to use? |
| 15:18.48 | krisfremen | pzn: gnuplot? |
| 15:19.08 | jordanm | pzn: gnuplot? |
| 15:19.15 | jordanm | bah, too slow |
| 15:19.16 | pzn | krisfremen, jordanm: is gnuplot "mouse interactive" that I can zoom and pan? |
| 15:19.34 | krisfremen | yeah, it is, to some point |
| 15:19.35 | jordanm | pzn: I am not sure.. the documentation is quite thick |
| 15:19.50 | pzn | ok, I'll try gnuplot! thanks! |
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| 15:20.24 | krisfremen | it's not the same as openoffice calc, but yeah, it does support mouse input |
| 15:20.56 | LUBzB | wols: apparently it doesnt. what i did was, i assigned the new NIC an IP in the same subnet as the old NIC. i was able to ping that IP from another box. then i unplugged the cable from the old NIC and suddenly i can't ping the IP anymore even though it is supposed to be the IP of the new NIC that is still plugged in.. |
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| 15:22.17 | LUBzB | jordanm: you said earlier, the NIC should work otb. by that did you mean i need to install the kernel module and then it will work? because i did no such thing |
| 15:22.35 | LUBzB | or did you mean _really_ otb |
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| 15:24.09 | penguin | I just ran upgrade but nothing was upgraded. |
| 15:24.22 | jordanm | LUBzB: I mean _really_ as in.. dhclient ethx and it works. the driver is already there and ready |
| 15:24.32 | penguin | he following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 15:24.32 | penguin | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:24.57 | jordanm | !bat |
| 15:24.57 | dpkg | In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 15:25.02 | jordanm | penguin: see above |
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| 15:26.04 | penguin | Should I post to flood? |
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| 15:26.35 | david00 | anyone know how to extract the expiry date of an SSL certifccate in PEM format? |
| 15:26.46 | LUBzB | jordanm: i assigned eth1 a static ip and restarted the network. ifconfig shows eth0 and eth1 with different ip's. i can ping both IPs from another box - even if the new NIC isn't even plugged in. i can ping none of the IPs if the old NIC isn't plugged in |
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| 15:27.49 | jordanm | LUBzB: sure you assigned it to eth1 and not eth0:1? |
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| 15:28.26 | LUBzB | jordanm: well, ifconfig shows eth1 and that's what i typed into /etc/network/interfaces |
| 15:29.03 | jordanm | LUBzB: pastebin your interfaces file |
| 15:29.04 | penguin | posted to flood |
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| 15:30.37 | LUBzB | jordanm: http://paste.debian.net/72417/ |
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| 15:32.26 | jordanm | LUBzB: when you unplug the old card, does the machine lose the default route? |
| 15:32.44 | penguin | So if there are conflicts upgrade won't work? |
| 15:33.05 | jordanm | penguin: I am not in flood, use a pastebin please |
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| 15:33.15 | penguin | How to do that? |
| 15:33.22 | LUBzB | jordanm: sorry, how would i check for that? (not that i could because when i unplug the old card ssh doesn't work anymore) |
| 15:34.09 | LUBzB | jordanm: unless i am able to check for it after i plug the old card in again |
| 15:34.58 | jordanm | LUBzB: uplug eth0, run: netstat -rn |
| 15:35.15 | Smiley | la la la |
| 15:35.18 | jordanm | penguin: you copy and paste it into the website and it give you a link, which you can report here |
| 15:35.19 | Smiley | got some movies to watch |
| 15:35.23 | Smiley | xvid fun fun |
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| 15:35.52 | LUBzB | jordanm: i can't, i can only access the machine via ssh, which only works if eth0 is plugged in |
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| 15:36.24 | jordanm | LUBzB: change allow-hotplug eth0 to auto eth0 and see if that resolves the issue |
| 15:36.25 | xxtjaxx | Smiley: hm vlc works with them doesnt it? |
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| 15:37.55 | LUBzB | jordanm: it doesnt :( |
| 15:37.56 | Smiley | i dont know. lol |
| 15:38.14 | penguin | Give me website. |
| 15:38.21 | Smiley | im getting xine as it works on gentoo. |
| 15:38.24 | jordanm | !paste |
| 15:38.24 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastebin.ca/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>. |
| 15:38.27 | Smiley | might need some codec support though. |
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| 15:38.59 | jordanm | !tell Smiley about dmm |
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| 15:42.07 | Skeptic | how do i list apps that i installed from the non-free repo? |
| 15:44.19 | Smiley | jordanm: ok i've added the repo. |
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| 15:44.51 | OldParr | where do i get qdatetime.h ? |
| 15:44.52 | penguin | http://paste.debian.net/72421/ |
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| 15:44.59 | Smiley | doesn't actually know what he wants to install from it though ;) |
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| 15:46.01 | OldParr | where do i get headers files for gcc ? |
| 15:46.20 | jordanm | Skeptic: aptitude search ~i ~snon-free |
| 15:47.00 | jordanm | OldParr: gcc-<version>-source? |
| 15:47.21 | aburch | OldParr: "apt-file search $foo" is helpful to search for packages that contain specific files. |
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| 15:47.43 | jordanm | OldParr: although, I have a feeling you really want libc6-dev |
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| 15:49.24 | Smiley | urgh |
| 15:49.36 | Smiley | Just realised im not even sure if i've mounted my sd card :< |
| 15:49.47 | Smiley | has never manually mounted it before, xandros just did it heh |
| 15:49.50 | Skeptic | jordanm, i don't think it worked right, i think it shows everything i installed |
| 15:49.52 | Smiley | its pondering time |
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| 15:50.01 | LUBzB | wols: i checked the 70-persistent-net.rules file and it looks like eth1 is mapped to the correct NIC, the new one |
| 15:50.32 | jordanm | Skeptic: yeah it is wrong, it searches for everything installed and then everything non-free |
| 15:51.03 | jordanm | Skeptic: I will admit aptitude-fu defeat and say: aptitude search ~snon-free | grep ^i |
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| 15:52.22 | Skeptic | jordanm, that's it, thanks |
| 15:52.23 | Skeptic | :) |
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| 15:53.01 | OldParr | jordanm: on which repo is libc6-dev |
| 15:53.01 | daggs1 | hello, does the debian livecd has nfs4 support or that support can be added to i |
| 15:53.21 | abrotman | daggs1: does regular debian have it? |
| 15:53.38 | jordanm | OldParr: main |
| 15:54.10 | daggs1 | abrotman, not the packages exists in regular debian... thus making me able to install them on the live cd, thanks :) |
| 15:54.23 | abrotman | okay then! |
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| 15:54.59 | themill | jordanm, Skeptic: aptitude search ~snon-free~i (no space) |
| 15:55.25 | abrotman | !tell justin22885 about root |
| 15:55.26 | jordanm | themill: ah! I was actually trying to figure out the ?and syntax |
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| 15:56.16 | Skeptic | themill, yep, that works too |
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| 15:56.17 | Skeptic | :) |
| 15:56.37 | themill | jordanm: aptitude search '?section(non-free)?installed' |
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| 15:57.23 | guysoft42 | squeeze == unstable? |
| 15:57.30 | themill | note that if you have multiple releases in your sources.list then aptitude searches can do unexpected things (e.g. a package that moved from non-free to main or vice versa would show up there) |
| 15:57.35 | jordanm | guysoft42: testing |
| 15:57.40 | jordanm | !tell guysoft42 about squeeze |
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| 15:58.00 | guysoft42 | jordanm, so whats unstable? |
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| 15:58.06 | jordanm | !sid |
| 15:58.06 | dpkg | sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. Sid is the destructive kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in; sid is not supported in #debian because sid users should be able to solve their own problems. Sid will never be released. See also <sid faq> <unstable>. |
| 15:58.06 | Smiley | yey |
| 15:58.16 | guysoft42 | ah, its still sid :-/ |
| 15:58.17 | Smiley | copying stuff to my sd card now ^_^ |
| 15:58.27 | jordanm | guysoft42: it will always be sid |
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| 15:58.59 | guysoft42 | i thought that when lenny got released sid would move down to testing.. i guess it does not work that way |
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| 15:59.07 | nuscire | hi, folks. have you ever encountered this kind of problem? you stored a file in a directory, and later, you changed its name, and/or moved it to another directory. now certainly, you have to find it with its new name, and/or go to the new directory. but, what if this file is used by some other applications? these applications are usually NOT aware of those changes to the file, which might sometimes cause big problem. one of the examples |
| 15:59.07 | nuscire | is using jabref while some of the articles are modified as above. so, is there any way to "trace" these changes, especially to notice the applications? thanks. |
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| 15:59.29 | justin22885 | hah |
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| 15:59.44 | guysoft42 | jordanm, thanks :) |
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| 16:00.02 | Aut0ExeC | sup fellas |
| 16:00.08 | Smiley | nuscire: lsof the file to see whos using it? or do you mean if the app isn't even using it at the same time? |
| 16:00.21 | Smiley | btw I made that up off the top of my head :< |
| 16:00.25 | lontra | hi i have a quick and easy question, i am running squeeze and i don't want to upgrade just one of the packages (JAGS) because the R package (rjags) doesn't work with the new package yet. How can i put JAGS on hold and then after rjags is updated how can i 'unhold' JAGS? |
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| 16:01.49 | wols | !tell lontra about hold |
| 16:02.22 | justin22885 | well, ive just put my main account into the root group to give me all the privelages |
| 16:03.02 | jordanm | justin22885: that is not recommended |
| 16:03.04 | lontra | wols: then if i later run aptitude install jags will it no longer hold future updates until i rerun that dpkg command? |
| 16:03.08 | nuscire | Smiley: not exactly what i mean. modification to the file manually is easy, but i want to notice those applications to update these changes to the file, automatically. there should involve some kind of 'tracing system'. |
| 16:03.11 | justin22885 | so? |
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| 16:03.24 | OldParr | on which directory must i put qdatetime.h ? |
| 16:03.51 | Smiley | nuscire: if two applications are using the same file, i'd say they'd trust the other application to not move it... but I dont know how you'd monitor if it moves. :< |
| 16:04.03 | jordanm | OldParr: you shouldn't have to manually put it anywhere... its in a couple packages |
| 16:04.13 | justin22885 | so... anyone know of a distro whos users DONT tell me what to do with my own computer?... thats all the guys on ubuntu have been doing |
| 16:04.35 | jordanm | justin22885: #gentoo |
| 16:04.36 | Smiley | oh and I'm majorly lagging right now ;) - Also can anyone tell me what I'd want to be looking for to be able to play xvid encoded content? |
| 16:04.49 | Smiley | justin22885: yeah gentoo or even ubuntu. |
| 16:04.53 | Smiley | wait, not ubuntu, gah |
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| 16:04.55 | Smiley | i mean debian. |
| 16:04.56 | aburch | jordanm: They will tell him what to do as well. At least #gentoo.de does so :) |
| 16:05.01 | Smiley | No one here has _told_ me what to do. |
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| 16:05.07 | Smiley | they've been helpful with advice. |
| 16:05.09 | JohnA | Does anybody know how to configure the logs for postfix, i'd like to make postfix use 1 log for everything. |
| 16:05.11 | Smiley | I hate ubuntu -_- |
| 16:05.26 | jordanm | aburch: from my experience no matter how bad of stuff you have done to your gentoo box, #gentoo will still support it |
| 16:05.38 | Smiley | jordanm: they will indeed. |
| 16:05.41 | Smiley | but sometimes they can't fix it |
| 16:05.45 | Smiley | or the right person isn't on. |
| 16:05.46 | jordanm | aburch: including stupid stuff like ACCEPT_KEYWORDS=foo |
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| 16:05.49 | nuscire | Smiley: maybe giving some label to the file might work? i have no idea. |
| 16:05.53 | OldParr | jordanm: i am looking for those packages in main repo but they are not there so i manually download a qdatetime.h from http://www.koders.com/cpp/fid1DE7A8609D96E8F1C7F8ACB04205E553AC3D567D.aspx?s=mdef%3ainsert |
| 16:05.57 | Smiley | then again, as a gentoo user, i'm used to waiting ;) |
| 16:06.01 | justin22885 | yeah.. not ubuntu.. i was on ubuntu and everyones like.. oh we wont tell you how to enable the root account, and then banned me from their room |
| 16:06.07 | Avasz | what repo should i use to upgrade the rubygems? |
| 16:06.13 | Avasz | the default repo doesnt seem to work |
| 16:06.18 | Smiley | justin22885: go with debian or gentoo tbh |
| 16:06.24 | Smiley | both seem fair to me so far. |
| 16:06.25 | jordanm | OldParr: apt-file shows that file in two packages. one for qt3 and one for qt4 |
| 16:06.30 | jordanm | !tell OldParr about apt-file |
| 16:06.34 | Smiley | ubuntu is a mess in the community side of things imo. |
| 16:06.56 | justin22885 | i used gentoo before, wasnt bad, i just found it annoying to compile everything all the time every time... my open console window was in a constant state of compiling |
| 16:07.19 | Aut0ExeC | justin22885: compiling everything rox bro |
| 16:07.23 | Smiley | hahaha |
| 16:07.27 | Aut0ExeC | :) |
| 16:07.28 | Smiley | 1. use screen |
| 16:07.32 | Smiley | 2. get bored and install debian? |
| 16:07.40 | justin22885 | i have 256mb graphics, 2 gigs ram, a quad core 64 bit processor.. the MINOR performance boost i get from compiling i just dont think is worth it |
| 16:07.58 | Smiley | compiling is a optimization thing rather than a performance thing for me |
| 16:08.00 | Aut0ExeC | justin22885: custom building dude |
| 16:08.02 | jordanm | we are getting a bit off-topic now |
| 16:08.06 | Smiley | I can't be arsed with support for xxx when theres no point ;) |
| 16:08.07 | Aut0ExeC | not just for performance |
| 16:08.09 | Smiley | Oh yes sorry. |
| 16:08.17 | Smiley | is passonate |
| 16:08.24 | Aut0ExeC | Smiley: u use gentoo? |
| 16:08.26 | jordanm | !ot |
| 16:08.26 | dpkg | Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e. Debian support); imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
| 16:08.27 | Smiley | So..... what do i need to play xvid? I have xine as my player of choice |
| 16:08.28 | Smiley | Aut0ExeC: yes. |
| 16:08.36 | Aut0ExeC | Smiley: so why are u here? :( |
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| 16:08.42 | Avasz | how do i upgrade rubygems? |
| 16:08.44 | Smiley | and debian on my eeePC ;D |
| 16:08.47 | jordanm | Smiley: probably xine or codecs from dmm, which I linked you to earlier |
| 16:08.48 | djura-san | im off. have a nice chat and a nice day :) |
| 16:08.53 | Aut0ExeC | oh ok |
| 16:08.58 | Aut0ExeC | Smiley: install the codecs bro |
| 16:08.58 | Smiley | :) |
| 16:09.04 | Smiley | heh |
| 16:09.13 | jeff_hann | Smiley, or install mplayer :-) |
| 16:09.20 | Aut0ExeC | yeah mplayer |
| 16:09.22 | Aut0ExeC | mplayer ftw |
| 16:09.26 | jeff_hann | yeah |
| 16:09.28 | jordanm | Avasz: install the version from lenny-backports |
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| 16:09.36 | jordanm | Avasz: (assuming lenny) |
| 16:09.39 | Smiley | omg my mouse is so bouncy on this thing |
| 16:09.42 | Smiley | waaaaay too sensitie |
| 16:09.46 | Smiley | sensitive |
| 16:09.54 | justin22885 | yeah but.. binaries pre-compiled for my architecture work just fine, ive ran with gentoo for a while and i really didnt notice much difference, not enough to make it worth the time it takes to compile everything |
| 16:09.59 | Avasz | jordanm, yes it is lenny.. how do i install from lenny-backports? where do i get repo? |
| 16:10.06 | jordanm | !bpo |
| 16:10.07 | dpkg | backports.org is a semi-official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://deb.li/bpoi . A sample line for your sources.list is: deb http://www.backports.org/debian lenny-backports main contrib non-free. Once added: "aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update". <bpo mirrors> <bpo contents> <bpo list> <backports-users> |
| 16:10.09 | SoulSeller | When you said mplayer, is there a way to watch movies with framebuffer with ssh? |
| 16:10.41 | Aut0ExeC | SoulSeller: stream? |
| 16:10.49 | Avasz | jordanm, what is that <bpo mirrors> etc.. |
| 16:10.57 | justin22885 | im getting the impression debian is more like the pro version where youre not restricted by the OS itself.. and ubuntu is more like the "home" version, in which it treats all users like children |
| 16:10.57 | jeff_hann | SoulSeller, I remember googling for this some time ago...afaicr, yes |
| 16:10.59 | Smiley | ewwwwwwwwwwww |
| 16:11.06 | jordanm | Avasz: other things you can ask dpkg about. /msg dpkg bpo mirrors |
| 16:11.12 | Smiley | justin22885: thats a good discription imo |
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| 16:12.12 | SoulSeller | Hmm, thanks. I'll have a look. |
| 16:12.13 | Avasz | jordanm, umm. i got it. but will the only line given by dpkg will work or i should add from all those bpos? |
| 16:12.13 | jordanm | jeff_hann: debian is more "professional"... but that doesn't mean the community will be supporting crazy things... release mixing for example |
| 16:12.18 | jordanm | ^ justin22885 |
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| 16:12.21 | justin22885 | ive always been under the impression that ubuntu had far better repositories though, what do you guys do about that? |
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| 16:12.37 | MarcWeber | justin22885: What are you looking for? |
| 16:12.46 | jordanm | Avasz: what dpkg said. you should read the instructions on the website |
| 16:12.47 | jeff_hann | justin, define "better" |
| 16:12.56 | justin22885 | more in depth jeff |
| 16:13.02 | lucidblue | hey all, I installed the virtualbox additions package and it doesn't seem to be working, I'm getting an error: Starting VirtualBox Additions...cannot modprobe vboxadd kernel module failed! |
| 16:13.13 | justin22885 | so far everything ive tried to find, ive easily found browsing synaptic, will i be so lucky with debian? |
| 16:13.19 | lucidblue | any ideas? |
| 16:13.22 | Aut0ExeC | lucidblue: modeprobe it before hand see what happens |
| 16:13.23 | jeff_hann | justin22885, I never needed anything not available in Debian |
| 16:13.28 | jeff_hann | YMMV |
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| 16:13.43 | Smiley | ok so i installed the w32codecs file (that looked like the correct one) |
| 16:13.47 | jordanm | alright, can we please stop the ubuntu discussion now |
| 16:13.53 | lucidblue | Aut0ExeC: thanks, but: FATAL: Module vboxadd not found. |
| 16:13.55 | Aut0ExeC | Smiley: congrats m8 |
| 16:14.00 | jeff_hann | jordanm, yeah, you're right |
| 16:14.05 | Aut0ExeC | lucidblue: u need to install that bro |
| 16:14.27 | jeff_hann | lucidblue, the Debian wiki has a page I believe |
| 16:14.40 | Aut0ExeC | lucidblue: yeah dude...check wiki |
| 16:14.40 | lucidblue | Aut0ExeC: I'll try to find it, but I thought that would be installed with the package jeff_hann, thanks.. |
| 16:14.47 | Smiley | how can i access the menu in aptitude if i can't use ctrl+t? |
| 16:14.48 | jeff_hann | jeff_hann, if not, a short google shall help |
| 16:14.50 | lucidblue | Aut0ExeC: thanks, will do... |
| 16:14.55 | Aut0ExeC | k |
| 16:15.11 | jeff_hann | Smiley, the F10 key, if I remember correctly |
| 16:15.42 | Aut0ExeC | Smiley: what DE u using? |
| 16:15.44 | justin22885 | i dont even use much out of the blue... exaile, firefox, pidgin, a ton of different gnome games (i LOVE tetravex) |
| 16:16.01 | Aut0ExeC | justin22885: what DE? |
| 16:16.06 | Aut0ExeC | WM? |
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| 16:16.16 | jeff_hann | justin22885, you'll find these in Debian |
| 16:17.07 | justin22885 | im using gnome |
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| 16:17.22 | Aut0ExeC | justin22885: gnome sucks tho right? |
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| 16:17.47 | jordanm | Smiley: if its open in a terminal emulator, you should actually be able to click on the menus |
| 16:17.54 | justin22885 | i like gnome better than kde4 |
| 16:17.54 | Aut0ExeC | justin22885: and as ar as packages... ncurses ftw |
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| 16:17.59 | jeff_hann | Aut0ExeC, different bands march to different beats |
| 16:18.23 | justin22885 | does anyone here use gnome? |
| 16:18.28 | Aut0ExeC | jeff_hann: bands, beats... tomato tomAAAtoooooo |
| 16:18.36 | jeff_hann | :)) |
| 16:19.40 | jeff_hann | Aut0ExeC, let that be the MOTD :P |
| 16:19.53 | justin22885 | ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months, im guessing debian doesnt do this because if you wanted to upgrade your stuff, changing the name of the OS every 6 months is unneccessary? |
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| 16:20.13 | jeff_hann | justin22885, Debian releases when it's ready |
| 16:20.19 | keith4 | justin22885: yah... *that* must be the reason. |
| 16:20.51 | justin22885 | i dont see the different ubuntu versions doing more than a simple update and a name change |
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| 16:21.01 | jordanm | justin22885: what your referring to there is the difference between a bleeding-edge and a stable distro |
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| 16:21.12 | themill | wonders if this is still #debian |
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| 16:22.00 | justin22885 | i like bleeding edge, i like to be able to get the newest apps as they come out... however, im getting the impression these guys are releasing ubuntu before its even ready because im finding many annoying errors in gnome this time, among other things |
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| 16:22.05 | jimcooncat | justin22885: Ubuntu changes a lot between most releases, but not so much with an LTS release, like this new one. |
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| 16:22.35 | jeff_hann | common, guys...let's cut the ubuntu chit-chat in here |
| 16:22.46 | jordanm | !ot |
| 16:22.47 | dpkg | Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e. Debian support); imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
| 16:22.51 | jimcooncat | sure jeff_hann, sorry |
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| 16:24.00 | justin22885 | anyway, i know its taboo, but ive used linux logging in as root for a while, and not once have i had an issue |
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| 16:24.29 | webonaut | hi |
| 16:24.32 | webonaut | I would like to do a rewrite R=301 but without appending the ? GET Parameters "RewriteRule ^badstartpartofurl/.*$ / [R=301,L]" |
| 16:24.32 | jeff_hann | justin22885, it's not about having issues, it's about exposing your system |
| 16:24.34 | Smiley | justin22885: thats not a good reason to log in as root. |
| 16:24.40 | justin22885 | whenever an account is placed in the root user group.. it disappears entirely from gdm |
| 16:24.49 | Smiley | theres no reason TO login as root. |
| 16:24.53 | jordanm | webonaut: your question has no context |
| 16:25.13 | jordanm | webonaut: perhaps your looking for #httpd? |
| 16:25.18 | webonaut | jordanm: sorry, wrong channel :-(... It's about a redirect in mod_rewrite with apache |
| 16:25.29 | justin22885 | sure theres reasons to log into root, im tired of typing a password around every corner, its just as annoying and window vistas UAC |
| 16:25.31 | jeff_hann | #httpd definitely |
| 16:25.31 | Avasz | how do i install a .gem file in debian? |
| 16:25.33 | webonaut | jordanm: thank you! |
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| 16:26.01 | jeff_hann | justin22885, no, there aren't valid reasons to login as root |
| 16:26.03 | Smiley | justin22885: setup sudo |
| 16:26.10 | Smiley | and set the time out to 25days |
| 16:26.11 | Smiley | :D |
| 16:26.13 | Smiley | sorted. |
| 16:26.28 | Smiley | why are you entering your password around every corner? |
| 16:26.29 | jordanm | Avasz: you should ask a ruby specific channel, since you will be using their package manager instead of debian's |
| 16:26.30 | themill | justin22885: properly configure sudo or log in with one terminal as root for a short period of time. There's certainly no need to log in and use and use an irc client as root. |
| 16:26.34 | Smiley | I do sudo once, and im logged in for an hour |
| 16:26.41 | themill | Much less a graphical one. |
| 16:26.53 | lucidblue | Aut0ExeC: from what i can find on the wiki, it seems to suggest that I should install virtualbox-ose package, but it's a guest, I've alread got the 'virtualbox-ose-guest-utils' and the 'virtualbox-ose-guest-modules' install,ed but apparently that's not enough... is there a command to search packages in the repos for a file to see which one it might be in? |
| 16:27.16 | Smiley | wonders why there is no site with some script to annlite your system if your logged in as root |
| 16:27.18 | Aut0ExeC | lucidblue: apt-cache search "your search" |
| 16:27.22 | Smiley | it'd be amusing to me at least. |
| 16:27.34 | jordanm | lucidblue: if you are trying to install guest-additions, the guest additions must _match_ the version of vbox the guest is running in |
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| 16:28.27 | jordanm | lucidblue: on a side note, the non-ose version works fine, is package for debian, and is easier to install guest-additions for |
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| 16:29.13 | Smiley | hum |
| 16:29.17 | Aut0ExeC | jordanm: u think virtualbox > vmware? |
| 16:29.19 | lucidblue | jordanm: that must be my issue... really the only thing I need it for is time sync, I could just setup a cronjob to use ntpdate for that though, is there anything else the guest additions would be useful for if not mounting shares from the host? |
| 16:29.21 | Smiley | Anyway to improve the playback on my eeePC? :/ |
| 16:29.27 | Smiley | its a bit stuttery |
| 16:29.30 | jordanm | Aut0ExeC: I prefer virtualbox for desktop virtualization |
| 16:29.38 | Aut0ExeC | jordanm: ok ok |
| 16:29.46 | Aut0ExeC | Smiley: ur eeePC sux bro |
| 16:29.54 | Aut0ExeC | Smiley: get an upgrade |
| 16:30.00 | Smiley | Aut0ExeC: lol |
| 16:30.05 | Smiley | it rocks |
| 16:30.06 | Aut0ExeC | Smiley: :( |
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| 16:30.07 | jordanm | !eeepc |
| 16:30.08 | dpkg | The Eee PC (aka RM ASUS Minibook) is a <netbook> designed by ASUS. Linux models are supplied with <Xandros> which is not supported in #debian, join #eeepc on irc.freenode.net for support. To install Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC for installation and configuration details. See also <atl2>, <atl1c>. Mailing list: http://alioth.debian.org/mail/?group_id=31309 #debian-eeepc on irc.oftc.net. |
| 16:30.15 | lucidblue | Smiley: I just got a 1005PEB |
| 16:30.16 | jordanm | Smiley: it has its own channel |
| 16:30.18 | Smiley | but I shouldn't try to watch HD xvid encoded stuff on it. |
| 16:30.19 | Smiley | ;D |
| 16:30.20 | Aut0ExeC | Smiley: i have asus aspire one... it runs great |
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| 16:30.35 | jeff_hann | Aut0ExeC, acer |
| 16:30.40 | Aut0ExeC | jeff_hann: lol yeah sorry |
| 16:30.40 | Smiley | jordanm: I was thinking the software (aka debian?) |
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| 16:30.54 | Smiley | well xine infact :P |
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| 16:31.10 | Aut0ExeC | Smiley: netbooks arent designed to run hard |
| 16:31.26 | justin22885 | does debian have synaptic? |
| 16:31.27 | Aut0ExeC | Smiley: no intense stuff |
| 16:31.35 | Aut0ExeC | justin22885: yeah dude |
| 16:31.43 | lucidblue | Aut0ExeC: does apt-cache only search the packages that are installed? |
| 16:31.43 | Aut0ExeC | justin22885: but apt is sooo much better yes? |
| 16:31.45 | jordanm | justin22885: packages.debian.org |
| 16:31.50 | Aut0ExeC | lucidblue: no |
| 16:31.58 | themill | dpkg: tell justin22885 about search |
| 16:31.59 | Aut0ExeC | lucidblue: all packs |
| 16:32.03 | Smiley | Aut0ExeC: I know. |
| 16:32.04 | lucidblue | Aut0ExeC: thanks |
| 16:32.11 | Smiley | doesn't mean there isn't ways to improve on it |
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| 16:32.25 | Aut0ExeC | Smiley: ok ok |
| 16:32.47 | Aut0ExeC | Smiley: dont know if this may help but i run very minimal .... musca window manager with cli mplayer |
| 16:32.51 | Smiley | software options I might be missing for example, I have no idea how to really configure xine. |
| 16:32.58 | Smiley | im running flux. |
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| 16:33.04 | Aut0ExeC | Smiley: not bad |
| 16:33.10 | Aut0ExeC | Smiley: mplayer? |
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| 16:33.34 | lucidblue | Aut0ExeC: I'm not seeing in the man page the option to search within a package for a file though...? |
| 16:33.49 | Smiley | mplayer might be an option |
| 16:33.57 | Smiley | i thought xine was pretty good lightwight wize. |
| 16:34.01 | Smiley | urgh |
| 16:34.01 | jordanm | Smiley: the channel I pointed you to was specific to running debian on eepc, hence the name "#debian-eeepc" |
| 16:34.01 | Aut0ExeC | lucidblue: ummm i think there is a parameter to add to apt-cache |
| 16:34.02 | Smiley | wise. |
| 16:34.13 | Smiley | Oh i only saw #eeepc XD |
| 16:34.25 | Aut0ExeC | lucidblue: check the man page for parameters... i think -l or -i or some shit |
| 16:34.31 | Smiley | yey for no users :< |
| 16:34.37 | jordanm | Smiley: I think there was even a mailinglist |
| 16:34.39 | Aut0ExeC | lucidblue: give u lots of info on a pack |
| 16:34.42 | justin22885 | i like using synaptic to browse for things |
| 16:34.46 | jordanm | Smiley: your on the wrong server |
| 16:34.47 | lucidblue | Aut0ExeC: I'll keep looking, maybe I'm missing it.. |
| 16:34.50 | jordanm | Smiley: irc.oftc.net |
| 16:34.53 | Smiley | oh god |
| 16:34.54 | Aut0ExeC | lucidblue: k |
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| 16:36.11 | Smiley | double whoops |
| 16:36.15 | Aut0ExeC | lucidblue: apt-cache showpkg |
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| 16:36.57 | Aut0ExeC | lucidblue: apt-cache show |
| 16:38.14 | lucidblue | Aut0ExeC: if I knew the package i was looking for, that would work, apparently there's something called apt-file that seems like it would work |
| 16:38.40 | Aut0ExeC | lucidblue: what exactly do uneed? |
| 16:39.35 | lucidblue | Aut0ExeC: in this situation i was just currious to see which package actually contained the vboxadd module, but in general, if I'm looking for a particular file and want to see which package it's in, I wanted to know how to do that |
| 16:39.46 | jordanm | lucidblue: man apt-file |
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| 16:40.10 | lucidblue | jordanm: yah, just installed that, thanks |
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| 16:42.20 | justin22885 | hmm, it seems like with every new ubuntu distro they put in measures that limit what i can and cannot do... im libertarian when it comes to my technology... do what i want, when i tell the computer to do it type... so i guess ill download debian now |
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| 16:42.41 | Aut0ExeC | justin22885: explain |
| 16:43.07 | wols | no. do NOT explain. go away to #ubuntu and explain there |
| 16:43.19 | Aut0ExeC | wols: lol |
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| 16:43.29 | Aut0ExeC | wols: he is converting bro... go easy |
| 16:43.31 | jordanm | I was about to say the same |
| 16:43.35 | lucidblue | jordanm: that worked, but it shows that the package I have installed is the one that's needed for the particular module, so should I try to somehow copy it somewhere, or just use ntpdate every 5 minutes?: irtualbox-ose-guest-modules-2.6.26-2-486: /lib/modules/2.6.26-2-486/extra/virtualbox-ose-guest/vboxadd/vboxadd.ko |
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| 16:43.41 | wols | Aut0ExeC: dear sir: stfu |
| 16:43.45 | justin22885 | because it seems with each component of the ubuntu operating system, theres less and less configurability each time |
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| 16:43.53 | wols | justin22885: go away! |
| 16:44.02 | lucidblue | I'm a bit new to debian, so ... |
| 16:44.08 | Aut0ExeC | wols: wtf??/ |
| 16:44.11 | jordanm | lucidblue: you probably wanted -686, not -486 |
| 16:44.11 | justin22885 | so tell me, is debian one of these operating systems that need a DVD, or will i get the full OS from just one CD? |
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| 16:44.43 | wols | justin22885: full debian is 4 DVDs. as is ubuntu (their repos all together doN't fit on a CD or DVD) |
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| 16:44.50 | lucidblue | jordanm: okay, I'll give that a go, but you said I need the same version on both the host AND guest? seems odd .. |
| 16:45.11 | jordanm | ,versions virtualbox-ose-guest-modules |
| 16:45.13 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'virtualbox-ose-guest-modules' was found. |
| 16:45.14 | lucidblue | justin22885: I'd recommend a net install |
| 16:45.16 | justin22885 | i dont need all repos, just the operating system, apt, x, and gnome |
| 16:45.21 | Emmanuel_Chanel | Will the icons of "Powered by Apache 2.2" on Apache 2.2 appear correctly on squeeze? |
| 16:45.22 | wols | justin22885: you install debian from a netinst (150MB), CD or DVD and get the rest you want via internet. but of course you can download all DVDs if you really really want to |
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| 16:45.23 | jordanm | ,versions virtualbox-ose-guest-modules-2.6.26-2-686 |
| 16:45.25 | pytl | you can use usb key for install.. |
| 16:45.25 | judd | virtualbox-ose-guest-modules-2.6.26-2-686 -- lenny: 2.6.26+1.6.6-dfsg-6+lenny1; lenny-security: 2.6.26+1.6.6-dfsg-6+lenny3 |
| 16:45.34 | gumpert345 | hi, I am running a debian fileserver, which I was told shut down 2 weeks ago, without any reason, it could be restarted by my brother, but nobody told me it happened, I want to find out why it happened, what would be the best thing to do first? |
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| 16:45.35 | Aut0ExeC | justin22885: get netinstall bro |
| 16:45.42 | justin22885 | i would do a net install, but that never works with my wireless internet.. i can only ever seem to do a net install when i go wired |
| 16:46.04 | Aut0ExeC | wols: whats ur problem man? |
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| 16:46.06 | Smiley | i'm givin up :D |
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| 16:46.14 | pytl | unetbootin + netinstall iso + usb key && go. |
| 16:46.17 | wols | gumpert345: check syslog and kern.log (the archive files of said logs isnce they've been long logrotated since) |
| 16:46.26 | justin22885 | i used to use my notebook with internet connection sharing to give my desktop a wired connection through the laptop to do net installs, but the police have my laptop right now |
| 16:46.28 | wols | pytl: only if you want your debian not to install |
| 16:46.41 | Emmanuel_Chanel | On my lenny environment, apache_pb2*.{gif,png} do "Powered by Apache 2.0" although the packages of Apache is of the version 2.2. |
| 16:46.48 | wols | justin22885: yes, with wireless don't do a netinst |
| 16:46.53 | gumpert345 | wols do you mean the syslog.gz files? |
| 16:46.59 | wols | gumpert345: yes |
| 16:47.08 | jordanm | lucidblue: yes, like for example, virtualbox-ose-soure and virtualbox-ose-gues-source are both version 1.6.6 |
| 16:47.10 | gumpert345 | wols thanks, Ill have a look at it |
| 16:47.14 | justin22885 | im 2 stories above my router, so there wont be any wired links any time soon |
| 16:47.30 | jordanm | lucidblue: however, I don't use the ose version so I am less experienced there |
| 16:47.37 | lucidblue | jordanm: huh... the host isn't a debian system though, just the vm... |
| 16:48.01 | justin22885 | i was about to download debian from a mirror, however, i just noticed multiarch and im trying to read mroe about that |
| 16:48.03 | jordanm | lucidblue: what os is the host? |
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| 16:48.18 | lucidblue | it's a mandriva host |
| 16:48.22 | lucidblue | jordanm: ^^ |
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| 16:49.08 | lucidblue | jordanm: looks like the host is running VB 3.0.8 |
| 16:49.13 | jordanm | lucidblue: they provide non-ose packages for mandriva from upstream. the guest-additons comes in the form of a ISO you mount in the guest |
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| 16:49.54 | justin22885 | i want to run 32-bit firefox, however, to do that on ubuntu i had to create a chroot environment, im thinking of trying debian multi-arch to see if itll fix this |
| 16:50.06 | wols | lucidblue: I suggest you use the guest additions which come with your host distro's vbox version. much cleaner. you will have to install kernel headers and build-essential but it will work |
| 16:50.21 | lucidblue | jordanm: I'm using it at work to host a couple of light servers and I couldn't get a clear answer on what a 'user' consisted of since it's normally just used for desktop virtualization |
| 16:50.35 | lucidblue | wols: that's what I figured too, didn't want to mess with that |
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| 16:51.07 | justin22885 | does anyone here run multi-arch? |
| 16:51.10 | jordanm | lucidblue: servers don't really need the guest additions... which is primarily for shared clipboard, graphics, etc |
| 16:51.16 | lucidblue | jordanm: thanks, after uninstalling 486, and installing 686 it works... I wasn't sure which one I should have been using |
| 16:51.17 | Avasz | can i ask which language is the bot dpkg written? |
| 16:51.17 | jordanm | lucidblue: you can run them headless |
| 16:51.37 | themill | justin22885: keep reading the documentation about the multi-arch DVDs. That has nothing to do with what you are suggesting. |
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| 16:51.43 | jordanm | Avasz: apt-get source dpkg; have a look |
| 16:51.57 | lucidblue | jordanm: I only was concerned with the timesync, this thing is gaining time like a bastard, if I didn't shut it down every night for backup, it'd be a few days ahead by now |
| 16:52.07 | themill | Avasz: perl -- it's a blootbot |
| 16:52.11 | cahoot | jordanm: sure he'll get the bot src? |
| 16:52.15 | themill | Avasz: or rather, an infobot these days |
| 16:52.17 | justin22885 | i want the ability to run 32 bit firefox natively, but just about everything else in 64 bit |
| 16:52.22 | justin22885 | thats what im suggesting |
| 16:52.23 | jordanm | cahoot: oh, *that* dpkg |
| 16:52.33 | lucidblue | jordanm: yup, running headless... on the one in question I have Kolab installed for the mail server... I'm using a modified vboxtools for control |
| 16:52.45 | jordanm | !tell Avasz about dpkgbot |
| 16:53.40 | Avasz | oh.. ok... i am making a bot too but in ruby. so was just curious.. sorry for disturbance. |
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| 16:54.10 | lucidblue | jordanm: I checked out vmware, and loved the remote console and webadmin, but they never got back to me on their definition of 'commercial use' they imply in the EULA that it's if you use it to host for money, and then again also if you just use it in a 'commercial environment'... |
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| 16:54.47 | jordanm | lucidblue: if your running it in a business, and its not testing only purposes, thats commercial use |
| 16:55.14 | lucidblue | jordanm: yah, since they didn't get back to me, I had to go with that definition too... |
| 16:55.20 | Aut0ExeC | lucidblue: have u tried qemu dood? |
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| 16:56.06 | lucidblue | Aut0ExeC: no, I read some about it, but not enough to know anything... just talk about using it to convert different vm HDD's to other types or something |
| 16:56.07 | justin22885 | hmm, seems i can only get debian multi-arch as a netinstall, too bad |
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| 16:56.41 | lucidblue | YAY! the time sync is working now... thanks for the help guys! |
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| 16:57.04 | jordanm | !congratulate lucidblue |
| 16:57.04 | dpkg | Woohoo lucidblue, you did it! |
| 16:57.11 | Aut0ExeC | woot |
| 16:57.24 | Aut0ExeC | gives lucidblue a round of applause |
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| 16:57.30 | lucidblue | jordanm: and it's not complaining about being a different version, so hopefully it will continue not to... I know vmware tools didn't really matter... |
| 16:57.36 | lucidblue | hahaha thanks for the support! |
| 16:57.49 | Aut0ExeC | lucidblue: u can do it!!!!! |
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| 16:58.12 | justin22885 | seems i have two options now.. find a way to do a netinstall (unlikely) with my wireless setup... or use a dvd install, which im not sure i have any DVDs |
| 16:58.20 | lucidblue | I'm really loving debian by the way... we run an asterisk server on it too |
| 16:58.57 | Aut0ExeC | justin22885: i like to get an extra router flashed with dd-wrt then use it as a wireless bridge for my pcs and desktops |
| 16:58.58 | lucidblue | justin22885: how shotty is your wireless, I just installed mandriva on my eee pc the other day over wireless (pretty bad wireless) and it worked fine |
| 16:59.08 | jordanm | and your looking to hire more debian admins? :p |
| 16:59.15 | lucidblue | jordanm: haha |
| 16:59.43 | justin22885 | i can just never seem to get the wireless set up properly.. i guess it just doesnt have the driver i need for my wireless card? |
| 16:59.50 | lucidblue | jordanm: I'll keep you in mind, but I'm the one man show in a company of about 20 ppl... and I doubt you'd settle for what I get paid! |
| 17:00.03 | justin22885 | aut, i do have an extra router beside me.. and it just so happens to be running dd-wrt |
| 17:00.11 | Aut0ExeC | justin22885: bingo |
| 17:00.25 | Aut0ExeC | justin22885: wireless bridge it bro |
| 17:00.31 | jordanm | lucidblue: I am pretty certain I have it worse :) |
| 17:00.32 | Aut0ExeC | justin22885: or repeater |
| 17:01.00 | Aut0ExeC | or y not just plug it wired into ur router until after the install? |
| 17:02.00 | lucidblue | jordanm: :) maybe, I'm in it for the hands-on learning... I think my next step is optimizing the vpn... sees a bit shotty for one of the remote guys on dsl... |
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| 17:05.34 | free_fx | Hi, Is there a bash built-in for redirecting stdout to any host(port) ? |
| 17:05.55 | luuks | free_fx: you can use netcat (nc) |
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| 17:07.57 | free_fx | luuks, thanks I have nc option but I really wanted some built-ins which I can evade the overhead of installation. |
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| 17:09.58 | raphi_ | free_fx, what about simple telnet? |
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| 17:10.45 | free_fx | raphi_, please elaborate how telnet can redirect the stdout to any host(port) |
| 17:10.51 | ceesco | I'm creating a debian package full of binaries; when you remove/purge it should remove the init.d script and update-rc.d -f remove blah... are these things needed in prerm or does debian do anything automatically based on the contents of data.tar.gz? |
| 17:11.39 | abrotman | free_fx: a builtin? maybe ask #bash, i can't think of anything |
| 17:12.10 | themill | there's /dev/{tcp,udp}/*/* but they're disabled in the Debian packages |
| 17:12.13 | free_fx | abrotman, thanks there is an option /dev/tcp but doesnt exist in debian |
| 17:12.15 | raphi_ | free_fx, simply pipe it to telnet and that's it. |
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| 17:13.15 | abrotman | raphi_: he needs to recieve also |
| 17:13.59 | cafaro | There is no xorg.conf, but I want to tell X i want to use a radeon driver, can I just create a new xorg.conf, with just a Device section (with Identifier and Driver)? |
| 17:14.08 | themill | I vaguely remember hearing that /dev/tcp was enabled in squeeze, but it all sounds like the wrong way of doing it. Perl is installed already; use that. |
| 17:14.19 | abrotman | cafaro: if the radeon driver is appropriate, it sohuld magically choose it |
| 17:14.49 | cafaro | abrotman: I'm using the radeon driver from the non-free repository..? |
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| 17:14.58 | abrotman | cafaro: you mean fglrx |
| 17:15.03 | raphi_ | abrotman, ok, haven't seen that.. anyway, busybox has a tiny NC included, maybe that fits? |
| 17:15.06 | abrotman | cafaro: X -configure |
| 17:15.10 | cafaro | ok |
| 17:15.17 | abrotman | raphi_: that's not a bash builtin .. not my requirements |
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| 17:16.13 | valdyn | that requirement is stupid |
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| 17:16.23 | valdyn | free_fx: ^^ |
| 17:16.24 | raphi_ | valdyn, :-D |
| 17:16.25 | abrotman | not my requirement! |
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| 17:27.02 | chessboxing | how to I apply multiple groups to a directory. For instance chown owner:group;group2 /home/directory ? How is this done. |
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| 17:27.09 | DexterF | hi |
| 17:27.23 | valdyn | chessboxing: not possible |
| 17:27.36 | chessboxing | valdyn: :( |
| 17:27.48 | valdyn | !kiss |
| 17:27.49 | dpkg | hmm... kiss is Keep It Simple Stupid!!! |
| 17:27.55 | DexterF | I want to build a newer version of a package from src and reuse the debian files from the src-deb. can't find where to state version and package version - pointers? |
| 17:28.03 | jordanm | chessboxing: not using UNIX permissions atleast. you can use extended ACLs |
| 17:28.04 | jhutchins_lt | chessboxing: This is not Windows. |
| 17:28.24 | jhutchins_lt | chessboxing: http://tldp.org/LDP/sag/html/index.html |
| 17:28.35 | cafaro | abrotman: I get a segmantion fault, when doing X -configure |
| 17:28.37 | aburch | DexterF: debian/changelog |
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| 17:29.10 | jordanm | DexterF: debian/control |
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| 17:29.55 | jhutchins_lt | cafaro: Interesting. We saw that about a week ago, for some reason the system was using the intel driver for a radeon card. |
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| 17:30.38 | DexterF | jordanm: well, i got kaffeine 0.8.6 but there's no trace of that version number in the debian files. |
| 17:30.46 | Robbster | hi all. I'm trying to install etch in a VM-however, it can't find any of the 8 mirrors that I've tried. I checked in another console that it has access to the internet. Any ideas what could be wrong? |
| 17:31.05 | jhutchins_lt | cafaro: How do you know the radeon driver is right for your card? Does it work with the free driver? What relase? What actual chipset? |
| 17:31.42 | jordanm | DexterF: look at control and changelog... |
| 17:31.53 | jhutchins_lt | Robbster: You don't have the bridging in your VM working correctly. |
| 17:32.01 | jhutchins_lt | Robbster: Just a guess. |
| 17:32.02 | DexterF | jordanm: oh, ah, changelog. ok |
| 17:32.03 | DexterF | thanks |
| 17:32.26 | aiux | Robbster, etch is no more supported, install lenny |
| 17:32.37 | Robbster | jhutchins_lt: I opened up a different console and can wget files ... |
| 17:32.56 | cafaro | jhutchins_lt: HD3650 (RV635), I only installed the firmware-linux-nonfree package. |
| 17:34.37 | Robbster | aiux: I need to build a dev VM for an old application. |
| 17:35.26 | cafaro | jhutchins_lt: according to http://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo, my card is supported by that firmware package |
| 17:35.35 | jordanm | Robbster: you can use a chroot for that, don't need a VM |
| 17:35.53 | Robbster | jordanm: chroot? |
| 17:36.03 | jordanm | !chroot |
| 17:36.03 | dpkg | a way to change the root directory of a process, see also http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch09.en.html#_chroot_system |
| 17:36.07 | jhutchins_lt | cafaro: Are you following the steps in that guide? What release are you on? |
| 17:36.12 | jordanm | Robbster: linux administration 101? |
| 17:36.29 | cafaro | jhutchins_lt: Squeeze |
| 17:36.31 | Robbster | jordanm: yeah, but I run ubuntu. |
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| 17:36.35 | Robbster | grinz |
| 17:36.43 | jordanm | !ubuntu |
| 17:36.43 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 17:36.47 | jhutchins_lt | cafaro: Ok, so you're using the bug testing version and you found a bug. |
| 17:37.03 | jhutchins_lt | cafaro: This is as expected. |
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| 17:37.40 | woodgrain | anyone know where the lenny repositories went? |
| 17:37.48 | woodgrain | http://ftp.us.debian.org/dists/lenny/ is gone. |
| 17:37.54 | Robbster | ideally, I'd get a VM running and that I'd be able to manage. |
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| 17:38.16 | woodgrain | so is the Berkeley comp sci repository for lenny. |
| 17:38.22 | abrotman | cafaro: really? |
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| 17:38.37 | cafaro | jhutchins_lt: I tried both radeon, radeonhd and fglrx on lenny, and none of them worked, someone in #radeon recommended me to try squeeze because lenny has an old kernel/X version |
| 17:38.38 | jordanm | woodworks: your mixing a dir in your path |
| 17:38.42 | DexterF | can I rerun debuild binary after modifiying the src or do I have to clean up somehow first? |
| 17:38.42 | abrotman | woodgrain: so pick another mirror ? |
| 17:38.42 | jordanm | woodworks: /debian/dists |
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| 17:38.48 | jhutchins_lt | woodgrain: http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/ |
| 17:38.58 | jordanm | woodworks: sorry, "missing" |
| 17:39.01 | abrotman | woodgrain: ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/ .. works here |
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| 17:39.23 | justin22885 | im back |
| 17:39.31 | justin22885 | got my dd-wrt router acting as a wireless bridge right now.. nice |
| 17:39.35 | cafaro | abrotman: sorry? |
| 17:39.57 | woodgrain | I must be smokin dope. |
| 17:39.59 | abrotman | cafaro: the segfault |
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| 17:40.26 | justin22885 | before i begin downloading debian.. i have to ask a question, does anyone here use the multi-arch package? |
| 17:40.42 | abrotman | justin22885: you mean multiarch installer ? |
| 17:40.56 | jhutchins_lt | cafaro: Did you try the ati driver? |
| 17:41.22 | cafaro | jhutchins_lt: fglrx? yes |
| 17:41.23 | justin22885 | yes abrot |
| 17:41.39 | jhutchins_lt | cafaro: No, ati. |
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| 17:41.54 | abrotman | justin22885: try the tab key .. it works wonders |
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| 17:42.12 | justin22885 | what does the tab key do abrotman? |
| 17:42.21 | abrotman | justin22885: what's the problem with the multiarch? it's kind of a waste if you don't actually have the other architectures |
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| 17:42.33 | cafaro | jhutchins_lt: don't think so |
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| 17:43.03 | cafaro | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/bD8XXrMC |
| 17:43.23 | justin22885 | abrotman, i was going to install from the multi-arch ISO so that i can install 32 bit versions of firefox, wine, etc |
| 17:43.32 | abrotman | cafaro: is that starting X ? |
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| 17:43.38 | abrotman | justin22885: that's not what it does |
| 17:43.44 | cafaro | abrotman: that's from X -configure, I think |
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| 17:43.46 | justin22885 | combination 64/32 bit architecture |
| 17:43.50 | abrotman | wrong |
| 17:43.56 | jhutchins_lt | cafaro: How much ram do you have? |
| 17:43.57 | abrotman | cafaro: make sure X is shut down |
| 17:43.58 | justin22885 | thats exactly what debian says it is |
| 17:44.04 | cafaro | jhutchins_lt: 4G |
| 17:44.17 | abrotman | justin22885: i asked if you meant the multiarch installer, and you said yes .. that is NOT what the multiarch installer does |
| 17:44.39 | cafaro | abrotman: I'm in single-user mode, that means X is shut down, or not? |
| 17:44.42 | justin22885 | what does the multi-arch debian ISO do? |
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| 17:45.01 | abrotman | cafaro: yes it should be |
| 17:45.27 | abrotman | justin22885: the multiarch netinst installs to multiple architectures .. notice how it says ppc_amd64_ia64 or whatever that one says ? |
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| 17:45.55 | justin22885 | yeah, it says amd64, i386, and ppc |
| 17:46.07 | justin22885 | i want to install amd64 and x86 |
| 17:46.32 | abrotman | you're still not getting it |
| 17:46.49 | jhutchins_lt | cafaro: There may be a BIOS conflict, see the troubleshooting section of http://www.x.org/wiki/radeonhd |
| 17:46.54 | cafaro | ok |
| 17:47.09 | jhutchins_lt | cafaro: It looks like radeonhd is the right driver for your card, but ati may also work. |
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| 17:48.06 | justin22885 | i hope its just more than the different architecture base systems on one CD only allowing one to be installed |
| 17:48.17 | abrotman | i just said that .. are you not reading? |
| 17:48.23 | justin22885 | i really want a 64-bit system but i do want to be able to install 32 bit apps too |
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| 17:48.41 | abrotman | so get the amd64 netinst .. that's where you start |
| 17:48.53 | jhutchins_lt | cafaro: You're running this as a vmware guest? |
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| 17:49.02 | justin22885 | and if i want to install 32 bit apps as if they were native? |
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| 17:49.27 | abrotman | it's not as easy as you would hope, but it can be done .. if your life depends on 32bit apps, use i386 |
| 17:49.59 | cafaro | jhutchins_lt: no, straight from a laptop |
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| 17:51.05 | wols | justin22885: how much memory do you have? and what app you run needs more than 4GB? |
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| 17:53.01 | justin22885 | i read somewhere that theres a way to be on a 64 bit operating system and access and install from 32 bit repositories |
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| 17:53.24 | jhutchins_lt | cafaro: I'm not sure what to make of that log, it seems to be loading all of the drivers and choking on the vmware driver. |
| 17:53.39 | jhutchins_lt | cafaro: You might take a look at the docs I pasted and try a sample xorg.conf file. |
| 17:53.46 | abrotman | justin22885: there is, but if you do not need 64bit, it's kind of silly to do all that extra work for the .042134521% performance gain your desktop might see |
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| 17:55.21 | justin22885 | what is "MultiarchSpec"? |
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| 17:55.32 | abrotman | right .. have fun |
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| 17:56.29 | Guthur | how can I list kernel image details |
| 17:56.37 | Guthur | version, and installed packages |
| 17:56.37 | wols | Guthur: define "details" |
| 17:56.47 | wols | dpkg -l linux-image* |
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| 17:56.52 | jhutchins_lt | cafaro: It looks like your card has been in the radeonhd driver for quite a while, you might want to reconsider squeeze. |
| 17:58.52 | cafaro | jhutchins_lt: I am using squeeze, or do you think I should use lenny? |
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| 17:59.25 | jhutchins_lt | cafaro: Use lenny. |
| 17:59.29 | jhutchins_lt | cafaro: Test squeeze. |
| 18:00.19 | blanky | is it worth adding lines in /etc/hosts.allow or /etc/hosts.deny fi you arnt using any tcpwrapper services ? |
| 18:01.08 | jhutchins_lt | blanky: What would you expect to accomplish by doing that? |
| 18:01.42 | blanky | i just wanted to know if it was just from tcpwrapper services ? |
| 18:02.01 | jordanm | blanky: I don't think its specific to tcpwrapper services at all... you might want to look at "man 5 hosts_access" |
| 18:02.05 | jhutchins_lt | blanky: xinetd stuff. |
| 18:02.24 | gumpert345 | I have a debian fileserver with avahi, after a clamav update, my OSX client cant see the announced afp/smb shares anymore, syslog looks good: http://pastebin.com/WFAJf3fg what can I do? |
| 18:02.51 | blanky | jordanm, what about bind9 ? |
| 18:02.54 | jordanm | jhutchins_lt: I don't use xinetd on my server buy denyhosts, which adds clients to hosts.deny, does a good job of keeping the auth attempts down |
| 18:03.05 | jordanm | blanky: what about it? |
| 18:03.25 | blanky | would using those files help bind security ? |
| 18:03.35 | jhutchins_lt | jordanm: I wouldn't expect that that would have any effect if it wasn't also updating iptables. |
| 18:04.04 | cafaro | jhutchins_lt: I was told in #radeon to use a newer kernel and X version and try the opensource radeon driver, I asked dkpg bot about it, and it told me to use the firmware package, I'm confused. I've pretty much tried everything in Lenny, and never could X working without vesa |
| 18:04.07 | jordanm | jhutchins_lt: it does not adjust iptables and I can verify that the hosts are refused connections after being added |
| 18:04.12 | jhutchins_lt | blanky: Using files without understanding what they do is not a good approach to security. |
| 18:04.18 | jhutchins_lt | blanky: http://tldp.org/LDP/sag/html/index.html |
| 18:04.33 | blanky | thanks |
| 18:04.41 | jhutchins_lt | blanky: http://www.ecst.csuchico.edu/~dranch/LINUX/TrinityOS/cHTML/TrinityOS-c.html |
| 18:04.50 | jordanm | cafaro: now you know why I only buy nvidia :) |
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| 18:05.29 | cafaro | jordanm: yeah I wish I knew that before |
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| 18:05.38 | jhutchins_lt | cafaro: Try to find a howto that specifically references your chipset or even your laptop. Follow it step-by-step. |
| 18:05.51 | jhutchins_lt | cafaro: #radeon telling you to upgrade is pretty much just being lazy. |
| 18:06.19 | jhutchins_lt | cafaro: Look at the xorg changelog for the driver - the RV635 hasn't changed in several releases. |
| 18:06.22 | cafaro | jhutchins_lt: I've googled it and there are no howto's about my card afaik, apart from a few forum posts |
| 18:06.59 | jordanm | cafaro: the debian-user mailing list can be a good place to escalate problems |
| 18:07.12 | cafaro | ok |
| 18:07.15 | jhutchins_lt | cafaro: If I understand it correctly, the radeonhd driver requires both a kernel module loaded at boot and the xorg driver. |
| 18:07.46 | jhutchins_lt | Hm, missing a bot here. |
| 18:08.09 | jordanm | no!! not dpkg |
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| 18:08.33 | lifestream | Hi, one should not do update/upgrade when it says it will remove packages, right? |
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| 18:08.57 | jordanm | 13:48 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: dpkg, chessboxing, Laptop_Brain, gurjeet, s0d0, nizmic, gluon |
| 18:09.04 | jordanm | jhutchins_lt: thats a long netsplit... |
| 18:09.15 | valdyn | lifestream: it means you should be using lenny, not testing or unstable |
| 18:09.15 | guysoft42 | does anyone have a good name for a debian media center distro? I need to adduser, and i am not sure what to call it |
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| 18:09.45 | zebradog_ | guysoft42, linuxmce , its based on ubuntu, which ubuntu is based on debian |
| 18:09.58 | abrotman | zebradog_: he wants a username .. not a distro |
| 18:10.11 | cafaro | jhutchins_lt: should I follow http://www.x.org/wiki/radeonhd#Installation to install the radeonhd driver? |
| 18:10.25 | guysoft42 | dbatbold, it will be a distro once i have a username |
| 18:10.38 | guysoft42 | abrotman, * (ops) |
| 18:10.47 | guysoft42 | zebradog_, yes but i am building one off debian :) |
| 18:11.02 | guysoft42 | zebradog_, anyway linuxmce never worked for me |
| 18:11.02 | zebradog_ | guysoft42, i thought u'd like a media distro which u can add users.. |
| 18:11.04 | zebradog_ | nways |
| 18:11.05 | pngwn | guysoft42, could you be any more off topic ? |
| 18:11.11 | zebradog_ | mwa |
| 18:11.16 | lifestream | valdyn, oh, which one are you using? |
| 18:12.05 | jordanm | lifestream: many of us *use* lenny and test with testing and unstable |
| 18:12.17 | jhutchins_lt | cafaro: I think you want to stay within the debian management system. |
| 18:12.22 | jordanm | !tell lifestream about moving target |
| 18:12.24 | guysoft42 | pngwn, well if i manage to make a distro for a multimedia center off debian, id like it to have a good name :) .. but if you want we can continue this in #debian-multimedia |
| 18:12.34 | valdyn | lifestream: all |
| 18:12.36 | lifestream | jordanm, oh, I was asking valdyn |
| 18:12.44 | cafaro | jhutchins_lt: I'm not sure how to, and the dpkg bot is offline :( |
| 18:13.06 | jhutchins_lt | Yeah, found a guide on installing to "unstable" ca. 2007. |
| 18:13.23 | guysoft42 | zebradog_, i want to make a distro i can slap on to old PCs i have laying around here that will be able to serve as a media center here, and to other users |
| 18:13.28 | abrotman | guysoft42: why can't it just be debian? or you're using the dmm stuff? |
| 18:14.11 | valdyn | maybe he really just wants a custom d-i |
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| 18:14.23 | jhutchins_lt | cafaro: Have a good look at http://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo |
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| 18:14.46 | lifestream | ok valdyn I think I misunderstood what you said. Is it a good idea or not to do the upgrade when it asks to remove packages? jordanm that !tell thingy didn't do anything |
| 18:14.52 | jordanm | "old" PCs usually have trouble with HD rendering. especially with old intel graphics |
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| 18:14.57 | justin22885 | well, im off to install debian now, bye everyone |
| 18:14.59 | guysoft42 | abrotman, i might use debian-multimedia repo stuff |
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| 18:15.12 | valdyn | lifestream: theres no general answer to this except that you should not be using distros that ask such questions |
| 18:15.15 | jordanm | lifestream: yes, our bot is MIA, which is why nothing replied |
| 18:15.22 | valdyn | lifestream: which is ( or should be ) debian/lenny |
| 18:15.33 | jordanm | Sure, testing might be shiner that stable, but are you prepared to be continually updating your system? Things that worked today will break tomorrow. Configuration file formats will change and you'll have to fold your changes in yet again. Testing is a moving target and if you'd rather work *with* your computer rather than working *on* your computer, you might not want that. See <testing |
| 18:15.41 | lifestream | valdyn, OK, I thought there was a clear yes and no answer, I will investigate more |
| 18:15.56 | valdyn | lifestream: it depends on your needs. |
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| 18:16.22 | cafaro | jhutchins_lt: It only explains how to configure the kernel, and xorg.conf, not where to get radeonhd!? |
| 18:16.48 | jordanm | dondelelcaro: dpkg netsplit 30min ago and has not came back |
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| 18:17.05 | Smiley | I missed you guys ~:x |
| 18:17.26 | abrotman | jordanm: did any of those that split come back ? |
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| 18:18.05 | abrotman | without changing hosts i mean |
| 18:18.36 | jordanm | abrotman: no, it doesn't look like. dpkg is still up on oftc |
| 18:18.43 | Number6 | Hello guys, since I messed up my laptop, I reinstalled Lenny again and need some help with Sweex usb wifi. I need the package of firmware-ralink in .deb format. But can't find one. I can't download it because I have no connectivity at all on my laptop. |
| 18:18.59 | lifestream | valdyn, needs? |
| 18:19.23 | jordanm | Number6: package: firmware-ralink download it from packages.debian.org |
| 18:19.36 | jordanm | Number6: its in non-free |
| 18:19.47 | Number6 | jordanm, thnx man. You're so helpful |
| 18:20.00 | Thaxll | Hello, is there a place where we I can find good doc about sound system on linux, i'm a bit lost with Alsa, pulse audio ect ... ? |
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| 18:20.03 | valdyn | lifestream: if you need the packages that would be removed |
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| 18:20.30 | valdyn | Thaxll: is there an actual problem you need to fix? |
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| 18:20.58 | zebradog_ | Number6, if you messed up your laptop, you could next time, boot with a rescue disk, mount the messed hd, and backup files from it to a usb stick |
| 18:21.02 | lifestream | valdyn, Ah i see. I was just worried that if I hit "yes", it would remove those packages, and then go into a bad cycle of "this was held back" "want to install X, but dependency not satisfied" and so on and so on, because that happened once to me |
| 18:21.11 | guysoft42 | there is a way to make a livecd from a debian system, right? i mean not debian-live where you specify the packages. just make it a livecd |
| 18:21.13 | Thaxll | valdyn: I'm trying to understand how it works, i'm using ffmpeg but I need to know when linux use alsa or jack or pluse audio ect ... |
| 18:21.23 | jordanm | lifestream: that typically happens from release mixing |
| 18:21.29 | valdyn | Thaxll: programs use any of those |
| 18:21.48 | Number6 | zebradog_, thnx for the tip my friend. |
| 18:21.51 | Thaxll | valdyn: How do we know which interface is used at a moment ? |
| 18:21.52 | dirkson | 32bit linux can still access more memory than 2.whatever gb, correct? So the only advantage to 64 bit is in minor performance gains for cpu-heavy apps? |
| 18:21.55 | valdyn | Thaxll: only pulse and alsa are widely supported right now, jack is for professional audio |
| 18:22.09 | guysoft42 | remembers now how to do that |
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| 18:22.27 | zebradog_ | Thaxll, you may want to read up about plugins, one soundsystem can use a plugin_for_other_soundsystem |
| 18:22.34 | lifestream | jordanm, "mixing" as in, mixing apt sources between stable/testing/sid? I don't have any mixed sources there, they are all 'testing' |
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| 18:23.25 | Thaxll | zebradog_: For exemple I want to capture audio from my sound card with ffmpeg but I don't know wich driver is actually used by Firefox |
| 18:23.27 | jordanm | dirkson: I currently run 8gb on 32bit. the limitation is 3gb of RAM per application |
| 18:23.34 | valdyn | Thaxll: depends, but everything currently going thru pulseaduio would be listed in the program "pavucontrol" |
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| 18:23.45 | lifestream | jordanm, I was troubleshooting a while back, trying to figure out what package caused the neverending held-back/dependency-missing, and I found it, and it was caused becuase I had hit 'y' when doing an upgrade where packages were to be removed |
| 18:23.48 | zebradog_ | Thaxll, flash uses pulseaudio |
| 18:23.50 | dirkson | jordanm: Oddly, that still affects my decision :D |
| 18:23.59 | valdyn | Thaxll: alsa itself is a shared library, thats not as easy to track |
| 18:24.05 | valdyn | zebradog_: umm? |
| 18:24.16 | zebradog_ | Thaxll, pulseaudio should be installed.. if you're having problems, it may just be 1 line about having a plugin setting somewhere |
| 18:24.54 | valdyn | flash uses alsa |
| 18:25.09 | jordanm | zebradog_: why would you think he install pulseaudio? |
| 18:25.13 | zebradog_ | valdyn, the adobe flash does? |
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| 18:25.20 | valdyn | zebradog_: yes |
| 18:25.31 | zebradog_ | I thought it's dependency was once pulseaudio.. |
| 18:25.35 | cafaro | When i was installing grub2, it told me windows was recognized, but when I reboot my system, there is no windows boot option; how can I get it back? |
| 18:25.35 | zebradog_ | well |
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| 18:25.44 | Thaxll | Is there an interface better than another ? my question is why linux has multiple 'drivers' for sound ? |
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| 18:25.48 | jordanm | ,depends flashplugin-nonfree --release lenny-backports |
| 18:25.49 | judd | flashplugin-nonfree -- depends: debconf | debconf-2.0, wget, gnupg, libatk1.0-0, libcairo2, libfontconfig1, libfreetype6, libgcc1, libglib2.0-0, libgtk2.0-0, libnspr4-0d, libnss3-1d, libpango1.0-0, libstdc++6, libx11-6, libxext6, libxt6, libcurl3-gnutls. |
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| 18:26.02 | valdyn | Thaxll: pulseaudio is most likely the future |
| 18:26.07 | Thaxll | hmm ok |
| 18:26.08 | jordanm | zebradog_: it doesn't even depend on sound |
| 18:26.11 | valdyn | Thaxll: every system has pros and cons |
| 18:26.38 | valdyn | Thaxll: and certain applications will always use something specialised like jackd |
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| 18:26.54 | jordanm | zebradog_: prehaps you are confusing debian with some "based on debian" distro? |
| 18:27.01 | Thaxll | I see, small latency ect .. |
| 18:28.19 | valdyn | Thaxll: either way you want all your apps to go thru just *one* system in order to be able to control them in one place, i guess |
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| 18:28.22 | poisonbit | next sound-subsystem for linux could be called Jass (just another sound subsystem) |
| 18:28.49 | Thaxll | valdyn: I was wondering which interface i've to capture from ffmpeg to record sound from online radio for exemple |
| 18:29.06 | valdyn | Thaxll: thats silly |
| 18:29.18 | jhutchins_lt | Thaxll: There's more than one way to do most things in linux. |
| 18:29.20 | valdyn | Thaxll: you should capture online audio directly from the net, not through a sound device |
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| 18:29.59 | Thaxll | valdyn: bbc removed the option to use third party software for their streaming.. so I used FF ( they're using flash ) |
| 18:30.10 | valdyn | Thaxll: i see |
| 18:30.14 | zebradog_ | Thaxll, check out mplayer, it has autodetect features, i'm sure ffmpeg has interesting options for some sort of detections |
| 18:30.37 | valdyn | Thaxll: this depends on your sound hardware, if it can even do this |
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| 18:30.58 | cafaro | that's odd, I did grub-update, and now window's back :) |
| 18:31.06 | valdyn | Thaxll: alsamixer has all the controls to capture if your hardware can do that |
| 18:31.16 | valdyn | Thaxll: if it cannot you need a cable from line out to line in |
| 18:32.07 | valdyn | ( or i should say your alsa sound driver, not hardware ) |
| 18:32.14 | Thaxll | I'm using a laptop and as far as I know it's an intel ich 9 familty somethnig so it's recent |
| 18:32.54 | jhutchins_lt | Thaxll: jack might be capable of something like that. |
| 18:33.04 | Thaxll | Ok ! |
| 18:33.04 | jhutchins_lt | Thaxll: Dunno of streamrecorder can handle flash. |
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| 18:33.37 | Thaxll | On linux it's all about file so somewhere in /dev/ should be the sound card or a 'stream file ' from sound card no ? |
| 18:33.45 | valdyn | Thaxll: no |
| 18:33.54 | jhutchins_lt | Thaxll: You can be certain you're not the only one trying to do this. Google is your friend. |
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| 18:33.59 | GNUtoo | hi, how does strip work in debian packages? more precisely is strip modificated to copy the binary before stripping or something like that in order to have a -dbg and a normal version? |
| 18:34.10 | GNUtoo | and should someone strip when making a package |
| 18:34.30 | GNUtoo | or is it handle by some binutils |
| 18:34.34 | GNUtoo | like obj* |
| 18:34.35 | abrotman | GNUtoo: perhaps #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net |
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| 18:34.38 | valdyn | Thaxll: the device files in your system are part of the alsa sound system, but only libasound should use those |
| 18:34.38 | jhutchins_lt | Thaxll: The sound card is about converging the digital signal into an analog output for speakers/headphone, and the reverse for physical input. |
| 18:34.38 | GNUtoo | ok thanks |
| 18:34.43 | jordanm | GNUtoo: ddid you already look at man dh_strip? |
| 18:34.51 | jhutchins_lt | Thaxll: You're dealing with it on the software level, no need to do DA conversion. |
| 18:34.58 | GNUtoo | jordanm, no I'll look |
| 18:35.01 | GNUtoo | thanks a lot |
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| 18:35.22 | Thaxll | It goes directly like that : sound card -> driver -> pulse audio ? |
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| 18:35.36 | jhutchins_lt | Thaxll: No. |
| 18:35.41 | valdyn | Thaxll: if you are recording then yes |
| 18:35.48 | K1ng\ | root@epic:/home/r00t/flashpolicyd# /etc/init.d/flashpolicyd |
| 18:35.49 | K1ng\ | /etc/init.d/flashpolicyd: line 11: /etc/rc.d/init.d/functions: No such file or directory |
| 18:35.49 | K1ng\ | Usage: /etc/init.d/flashpolicyd {start|stop|restart|condrestart|status} |
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| 18:35.52 | K1ng\ | any idea what is htat? |
| 18:35.57 | jhutchins_lt | Thaxll: Only if you're recording an external physical signal. |
| 18:36.08 | valdyn | Thaxll: well, yes, but your view is simplified obviously |
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| 18:36.34 | Thaxll | Ok |
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| 18:36.39 | jhutchins_lt | Thaxll: Alsa still has to manage the driver - but this is not what you're trying to do. |
| 18:36.50 | zebradog_ | Thaxll, i mentioned too, if you're app is using one soundsystem, there may be a plugin for it for your sound driver, < this took me awhile to notice |
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| 18:37.13 | jhutchins_lt | Thaxll: In fact, you want to DIVERT the output of the player AWAY from the sound card to a file. |
| 18:37.26 | SerajewelKS | i love brasero. it makes me happy that we have burning software that decides all on its own when it is done burning, be it the middle of the second track of fifteen or not. that's /truly/ free software! free to do whatever it wants. |
| 18:37.27 | Thaxll | Yes |
| 18:37.56 | K1ng\ | <K1ng\> /etc/init.d/flashpolicyd: line 11: /etc/init.d/functions: No such file or directory |
| 18:37.57 | K1ng\ | <K1ng\> can anyone there tell me where is init.d functions located |
| 18:38.12 | Number6 | Hello guys, I donwloaded from http://packages.debian.org/lenny/firmware-ralink and choose a downloadserver from holland. After that I copied the deb-package to my usb storage, than copied to my laptop and did the following: aptitude install firmware....deb |
| 18:38.27 | Number6 | I than get an error saying that it can't find the package. |
| 18:38.30 | valdyn | Number6: wrong: "dpkg -i file.deb" |
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| 18:38.35 | jordanm | Number6: dpkg for lcaol debs |
| 18:38.40 | Thaxll | Thanks guys for answers it's clear now :) |
| 18:38.59 | jhutchins_lt | Thaxll: http://www.elpauer.org/?p=261 |
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| 18:39.30 | valdyn | that doesnt get sound.. |
| 18:39.46 | Thaxll | yeah it's using x11 :o |
| 18:39.48 | Number6 | well, I also did that, it returns with an error saying: unexpected end of file in version number in firmware....deb |
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| 18:40.17 | valdyn | Thaxll: you want to modify / create an ~/.asoundrc that diverts your default alsa output |
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| 18:41.06 | Number6 | What shall I do next...? |
| 18:41.25 | valdyn | Number6: get a package file that is not broken |
| 18:41.25 | Thaxll | I'm looking in ffmpeg doc for i/o devices |
| 18:41.27 | nutron | Is there a good tutorial that takes you from zero to hero for udev? The kernel documentation is ... advanced. Is there something better out there? Google does find things, but they seem generally outdated. |
| 18:41.32 | Number6 | it's really a pain in the ass to get usb-wifi working on an old laptop |
| 18:41.36 | Number6 | well ok |
| 18:41.48 | valdyn | Thaxll: i think that won't help you |
| 18:42.26 | Thaxll | There is an option ( -f ) to use the i/o device |
| 18:42.29 | valdyn | Thaxll: instead get alsa to redirect to a place you can capture |
| 18:42.34 | Thaxll | ok |
| 18:43.04 | jordanm | Number6: that is a corrupt file |
| 18:43.27 | wols | Number6: what's the md5sum of your file? |
| 18:43.38 | nutron | I have a feeling that udev is creating devices that don't really exist. Mainly USB connected devices, a sata dvd drive and an ide dvd drive. |
| 18:44.19 | wols | nutron: what gives you that feeling? |
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| 18:45.37 | valdyn | Thaxll: http://www.swview.org/node/213 |
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| 18:46.49 | nutron | wols: the device names are probed on startup, errors from md scans and lvm scans state that they cannot access /dev/sdg and /dev/cdrom7 (respectively), i then get errors in dmesg about the drive not being ready, but it works fine on music discs, upon a data disk being inserted.. my computer grinds to a halt (freezes solid). I'd like to understand what's going on, if either the hardware is actually faulty or if udev is somehow hurting t |
| 18:46.50 | nutron | he config (could be other things like hal or devicekit maybe?) |
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| 18:47.27 | nutron | wols: oh I forgot to mention that /dev/sdg and /dev/cdrom7 shouldn't exist at all. |
| 18:47.28 | Thaxll | hmm thanks, i'm gonna check that |
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| 18:47.37 | Number6 | wols, d41d8cd98f00b204e9800998ecf8427e |
| 18:47.52 | wols | Number6: 11a94b086e4e1bfc110ad116878b7ac5 firmware-ralink_0.14+lenny2_all.deb |
| 18:48.03 | wols | as valdyn said, get a proper download |
| 18:48.24 | Number6 | hmmm shit, I downloaded one from holland and one from germany |
| 18:48.28 | wols | nutron: if you can insert a disk into them they should exist |
| 18:48.32 | Number6 | so both are corrupt? |
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| 18:48.45 | wols | Number6: both give the same md5sum? |
| 18:48.54 | justin22885 | hmm.. it would appear debian amd64 netinstall and unetbootin do not get along |
| 18:49.00 | Number6 | wols, i'll check to make sure |
| 18:49.08 | wols | razvand: usb install |
| 18:49.13 | wols | ravenbird: usb install |
| 18:49.15 | ravenbird | wols: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 18:49.27 | K1ng\ | can anyone help me to make it work in debian? http://pastebin.com/BtLUxZie |
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| 18:49.43 | K1ng\ | init.d/functions: No such file or directory |
| 18:49.43 | wols | justin22885: http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03 |
| 18:49.52 | nutron | wols: well, if I insert a disk, the mounted drive is /dev/cdrom1 .. before even getting to the login prompt, I have errors via bootlog and dmesg that these devices cannot be accessed. Anyway, I think I found my tutorial :) thanks. |
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| 18:51.12 | iveqy | hi, i'm using sid and tries to install php5-imagick, wich does not work (dependencies that not can be installed). Any suggestions? |
| 18:51.27 | dirkson | Is there any reason I couldn't have /home be mounted via nfs? |
| 18:51.31 | Snadder | Anyone know if I get sendt into a password prompt at bootup when an /etc/fstab entry cant be used?.. eg. swap. |
| 18:51.43 | wols | iveqy: please paste the full output of your apt command and also your sources.list |
| 18:51.50 | iveqy | dirkson: not what I know, I do that |
| 18:52.00 | wols | Snadder: depends on the fstab entry |
| 18:52.06 | dirkson | iveqy: Awesome |
| 18:52.29 | iveqy | wols: http://pastebin.se/201212 |
| 18:52.56 | Snadder | wols, its an encrypted swap partition like this: /dev/mapper/swap none swap sw 0 0 |
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| 18:53.00 | wols | iveqy: ok, LANG=C first perhaps... |
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| 18:53.17 | wols | Snadder: linux works fine without swap |
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| 18:53.47 | Snadder | wols, yes, I know... but the problem is that the machine won't boot... And I want to know exactly how to fix it, when I go there and do it. |
| 18:54.03 | iveqy | wols: smart, didn't think about that |
| 18:54.04 | iveqy | http://pastebin.se/201213 |
| 18:54.30 | Number6 | wols, yes they are the same, they have the same checksum. Isn't that strange? |
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| 18:54.40 | wols | iveqy: I'd use another mirror. if I decypher my swedish right, apt lacks packages to install at all, not just a specific package version |
| 18:55.05 | Snadder | wols, if I get sendt into a password prompt.. then I migt just set the swap entry to noauto I guess.. and reboot. |
| 18:55.10 | wols | iveqy: something you do downloading corrupts it and corrupts it the same way |
| 18:55.13 | guysoft42 | er - is there a way to get UNR on debian? |
| 18:55.14 | iveqy | wols: okej, any suggestions about a good mirror? |
| 18:55.21 | guysoft42 | that is the GUI of UNR |
| 18:55.27 | wols | iveqy: ftp.se.debian.org ? |
| 18:55.43 | Kuifje111 | hi.. I have one big partition which eats all space from my USB drive, is it possible to make another partition and take that space from that one big partition? |
| 18:56.04 | wols | guysoft42: no. you can downlaod the UNR packages but you will be totally and utterly on your own. when (not if) it breaks no one can or will help you. just use UNR instead |
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| 18:56.21 | wols | Kuifje111: use gparted to resize partitions |
| 18:56.37 | Kuifje111 | wols: thanks. |
| 18:56.41 | karlpinc | Snadder: Yeah, you can always turn swap on manually after boot. |
| 18:56.43 | Snadder | wols, The kernel isn't compiled with the encryption inside.. I suspect thats why the swap wont load. |
| 18:56.44 | wols | ,versions libmagickcore2 |
| 18:56.45 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'libmagickcore2' was found. |
| 18:56.55 | guysoft42 | wols, hmm, thats a shame, i just had a brilliant idea to use it as an interface for a television-viewed distro |
| 18:57.07 | iveqy | wols: same error =( (I changed the mirror, apt-get update and then apt-get install again) |
| 18:57.20 | Snadder | karlpinc, My question is if the machine lets me log into single user mode... or if I need to boot from some cd to get in? |
| 18:57.25 | iveqy | can I use an etch mirror just for those packages? |
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| 18:57.47 | wols | iveqy: I use sid and a .de mirror and I have the non installable packages |
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| 18:58.17 | iveqy | wols: may I get your mirror address? |
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| 18:58.23 | Kuifje111 | wols: I need a cmd line app. |
| 18:58.36 | karlpinc | Kuifje111: parted |
| 18:58.38 | wols | Kuifje111: parted |
| 18:58.41 | Kuifje111 | ok. |
| 18:58.50 | wols | Kuifje111: but! lot harder to use IIRC |
| 18:58.51 | justin22885 | hmm... i wish debian netinstall just worked with unetbootin |
| 18:59.10 | wols | justin22885: I gave you the solution |
| 19:00.07 | abrotman | wols: reading is hard? |
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| 19:00.40 | justin22885 | i know, its just so tedius |
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| 19:01.43 | abrotman | yeah .. too bad everything in life isn't just a click away .. easy as pie .. |
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| 19:02.01 | iveqy | wols: ftp.de.debian.org is not working for me, the packages doesn not exist |
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| 19:02.07 | abrotman | learning is just so .. tedious ... |
| 19:02.16 | greycat | !be debian barbie |
| 19:02.16 | dpkg | But debian is soooooo hard! :`( Ken, call me a waaaaahbulance *cry* |
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| 19:03.22 | justin22885 | well, i guess its ready, one way to find out |
| 19:03.37 | Morten_ | Good evening; I've tried to mount an external USB drive with udev (rules.d) - but I can't get it to work. I've written my information here: http://pastebin.com/azt0riZ2 |
| 19:03.42 | jordanm | I am having an issue with my web browsers I am not sure how to behgin troublshooting. It applies to iceweasel and google-chrome-beta. both will appear to download a file (a .deb for example) but the file is never downloaded. Along with this strange behavior chrome now opens a "save to" prompt whith the default of a .download file with content type of application/octet-stream. In iceweasel if I right click on something I just downloaded and |
| 19:03.46 | Morten_ | Does anyone know what my problem is? |
| 19:04.01 | Abhishek_Singh | folks:please tell me name of any software package that requires postgresql to be preinstalled |
| 19:04.03 | greycat | jordanm: did you look in both $HOME and $HOME/Downloads ? |
| 19:04.11 | jhutchins_lt | iveqy: You're running sid. A known feature of sid is that packages are often posted before their dependencies are available. |
| 19:04.27 | jhutchins_lt | iveqy: If you're running this for anything other than debian devlopment you're out of your mind. |
| 19:04.28 | jordanm | greycat: I searched my entire home using find |
| 19:04.51 | karlpinc | Abhishek_Singh: Use apt-cache find reverse dependencies. |
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| 19:05.09 | jordanm | did my message appear cut-off? it looks like too much for a single line |
| 19:05.18 | greycat | yes, it was |
| 19:05.23 | Abhishek_Singh | karlpinc:i will try that |
| 19:05.30 | iveqy | jhutchins_lt: I was forced to upgrade on a server because of a broken package (the ssl-functions in phpcurl) in etch. |
| 19:05.34 | jordanm | greycat: at which part? |
| 19:05.43 | greycat | "... I just downloaded and" |
| 19:05.55 | jhutchins_lt | iveqy: No way in the world you should be running a production server on sid. |
| 19:05.57 | karlpinc | iveqy: You might have considered upgrading to lenny. |
| 19:06.16 | jordanm | I just downloaded and select "show in folder" it gives me |
| 19:06.16 | jordanm | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:06.19 | jordanm | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:06.22 | Abhishek_Singh | karlpinc:please tell me the exact command to that |
| 19:06.24 | greycat | Upgrade to lenny, and if that still doesn't fix the issue, backport the ONE package you need. |
| 19:06.25 | jhutchins_lt | iveqy: Anything critical like that would be backported in a reasonable timeframe. |
| 19:06.29 | iveqy | karlpinc: oh sry. I meant lenny-> sid |
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| 19:06.51 | jordanm | well, my IRC client configs are screwed... it should have prompted me for a 3 line paste... and converted those newlines to spaces |
| 19:06.54 | Snadder | Anyone know which errors which drops me into a password prompt at bootup, and which ones who require me to boot from a cd? |
| 19:07.13 | karlpinc | Abhishek_Singh: I don't recall. You'll have to read the man page. If you don't know how to search the man page then read the man page for less. |
| 19:07.24 | iveqy | jhutchins_lt: well, I don't have time to wait. The alternative is to switch to ubuntu |
| 19:07.25 | Abhishek_Singh | ok |
| 19:07.31 | greycat | Snadder: "Enter root password for maintenance or Ctrl-D to continue" is the single-user mode prompt |
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| 19:07.40 | Abhishek_Singh | karlpinc:thanks |
| 19:08.03 | karlpinc | Snadder: I've never been prompted to boot from cd. That's for when it won't boot. |
| 19:08.23 | greycat | Snadder: if you're asking for a list of EVERY conceivable thing someone could do to a system to make it require a boot from external media, well, the list is infinite |
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| 19:08.24 | jhutchins_lt | iveqy: sid WILL break. Running it on a production server means the server WILL be off-line, and may stay off line for days. |
| 19:08.26 | wols | iveqy: http://paste.debian.net/72443/ |
| 19:08.59 | wols | ,version php5-imagick sid |
| 19:09.00 | Snadder | karlpinc, greycat wondring what happens when I don't have the encryption module loaded, and using an encrypted swap partition. |
| 19:09.07 | wols | ,versions php5-imagick sid |
| 19:09.08 | judd | php5-imagick -- etch: 0.9.11+1-4.1; lenny: 2.1.1RC1-1; sid: 2.1.1RC1-1+b1 |
| 19:09.10 | jhutchins_lt | iveqy: No-one here except you will be bothered at all if you switch to another distribution or OS for that matter. |
| 19:09.23 | wols | ,versions libmagickcore2 |
| 19:09.24 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'libmagickcore2' was found. |
| 19:09.39 | Snadder | karlpinc, greycat: sorry.. don't have the encryption module compiled into the kernel, or into the initrd. |
| 19:09.46 | greycat | jhutchins_lt: And... I'm *so* sure that switching OS will be faster than backporting one package from unstable. |
| 19:10.17 | cafaro | I'd like to install radeon or radeon hd for debian squeeze, but dpkg radeon(hd) tells me squeeze users should use radeon firmware, anyone could elaborate this? |
| 19:10.24 | themill | wols: 'libmagickcore2' is dead, long live 'libmagickcore3' (imagemagick transition about 2 months ago) |
| 19:10.28 | Snadder | karlpinc, I guess my system won't boot now :-( |
| 19:10.50 | jhutchins_lt | cafaro: Have a good look at http://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo |
| 19:11.00 | wols | Snadder: why would your debian need a swap partition? |
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| 19:11.26 | Snadder | wols, It dosn't, but the fact that I have it there makes it not boot. |
| 19:11.36 | iveqy | wols: thankts, this is the errors I got from apt-get update when using that mirror http://paste.debian.net/72444/ |
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| 19:12.11 | karlpinc | wols: (In the abstract, it generally has to do with having little ram. Suprisingly, a fsck on a big disk in a little box will need swap.) |
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| 19:13.18 | wols | iveqy: it's the official german debian mirror. your sources.list entry is wrong |
| 19:13.48 | karlpinc | wols: (As I'm sure you know. But it's a nasty suprise because you don't get fscks that often and then suddenly your box won't boot....) |
| 19:14.06 | iveqy | jhutchins_lt: a system does not just break. Yes, debian can break _when doing an update_ but not else. I'm aware of that risk. Don't misunderstand me, I do not care at all wich distribution to run, I choose to run the dist best suited (or so I try) |
| 19:14.26 | jordanm | nice... my dotfiles take up 2gb so a lot to diff |
| 19:14.27 | wols | karlpinc: good point. I actually didn't know since I was spoilt with lots of ram on big disks I guess :) |
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| 19:14.54 | cafaro | jhutchins_lt: yes I think so.. so I should not be installing the proprietary firmware right? |
| 19:15.04 | iveqy | wols: i don't doiubt that, but the only two lines I have is error free in my eyes: http://paste.debian.net/72448/ |
| 19:15.22 | jhutchins_lt | iveqy: It's strange that with thousands of Debian servers around the world running on sarge, etch, and lenny you feel you have to be on sid. It's up to you of course. |
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| 19:15.48 | abrotman | s/strange/stupid/ ? |
| 19:15.51 | wols | iveqy: deb ftp://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ unstable main contrib |
| 19:16.00 | jhutchins_lt | cafaro: I'm sorry, my radeon runs the ati driver and I really don't know. All I can do is point you at existing documentation. |
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| 19:16.38 | cafaro | jhutchins_lt: ok thanks |
| 19:17.57 | iveqy | wols: thanks, not it's working. Whats the difference between sid and unstable? I thought sid was unstable? |
| 19:18.29 | jhutchins_lt | !tell cafaro about radeonhd |
| 19:18.31 | wols | there is no difference |
| 19:18.35 | greycat | iveqy: that is not the only change. |
| 19:18.42 | greycat | iveqy: you were missing the /debian/ part. |
| 19:19.06 | wols | iveqy: your sources.list was wrong. not the "sid" part |
| 19:19.25 | greycat | (using sid or unstable could also be considered "wrong" given his lack of experience) |
| 19:19.31 | iveqy | jhutchins_lt: well yes it is |
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| 19:19.46 | iveqy | greycat: oh thanks |
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| 19:20.08 | iveqy | wols: well, I still got the same error, wich is strange because it's working for you |
| 19:20.14 | justin22885 | still no luck with the bootable USB... so im just burning it to a CD |
| 19:20.25 | Snadder | wols, I need to know exactly how to fix this bug when I go to the server room.. thats why I need to know how easy it is. |
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| 19:20.52 | lenswipe | hey ugys |
| 19:20.53 | lenswipe | guys* |
| 19:21.02 | lenswipe | im trying to get firefox to play youtube videos |
| 19:21.18 | lenswipe | s/firefox/ice weasel |
| 19:21.19 | lenswipe | ive installed gnash and gnash-mozilla-plugin |
| 19:21.32 | lenswipe | but it still wont play youtube vids, anyone got any ideas? |
| 19:21.37 | iveqy | greycat: trying to rate someones experience over package management discussions over IRC is in general a bad idea |
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| 19:22.16 | SoulSeller | Using Unstable is a bad idea in all cases. |
| 19:22.42 | jordanm | well, i feel stupid now... somehow the ownership got changed on my Download directory |
| 19:22.58 | greycat | iveqy: on the contrary, I think we got a pretty good feel for your level of expertise in Debian system management |
| 19:23.00 | Snadder | Does the debian netinstall stable cd have recovery mode? |
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| 19:24.26 | jordanm | yet no bad chowns in my history |
| 19:24.50 | jhutchins_lt | iveqy: You'd be surprized how accurate it can be. |
| 19:25.12 | greycat | Snadder: you can get to a shell, but there aren't a whole lot of tools on it |
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| 19:25.18 | jhutchins_lt | SoulSeller: How about if you're an active Debian developer? SOMEBODY's gotta test the stuff. |
| 19:25.35 | wols | jhutchins_lt: fairies! |
| 19:25.44 | jhutchins_lt | SoulSeller: Unstable on a live server though, yeah. |
| 19:25.56 | jhutchins_lt | wols: Honest politicians! |
| 19:26.02 | jordanm | I have been running unstable at home for debian development reason |
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| 19:26.13 | wols | jhutchins_lt: now you're pulling my leg! |
| 19:26.19 | SoulSeller | jhutchins_lt, testing is one thing, everyday use is something else. |
| 19:26.29 | Snadder | greycat, as long as I get to a shell, and have nano, then i'm fine :-) |
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| 19:26.35 | wols | jordanm: I run it due to a bad case of sns |
| 19:26.44 | wols | Snadder: unlikely you get nano |
| 19:26.48 | jhutchins_lt | Sid is what snapshotted VM's were made for. |
| 19:26.54 | greycat | I don't know what editors are available off hand |
| 19:26.56 | Snadder | wols, vi ? |
| 19:27.07 | wols | Snadder: busybox basically |
| 19:27.13 | jordanm | usually anything posix compliant will have vi |
| 19:27.23 | lenswipe | can someone tell me how to get flash working in iceweasel? |
| 19:27.32 | jordanm | my ddwrt router has vi... |
| 19:27.38 | wols | lenswipe: dpkg can |
| 19:27.43 | jordanm | !tell lenswipe about flash |
| 19:27.45 | lenswipe | wols, ? |
| 19:27.53 | jordanm | lenswipe: pm from dpkg |
| 19:27.54 | lenswipe | jordanm, ... |
| 19:27.58 | lenswipe | k |
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| 19:28.23 | lenswipe | jordanm, ive installed gnash and its still not working |
| 19:28.36 | lenswipe | ive installed gnash and restarted iceweasel to be exact |
| 19:28.48 | lenswipe | along with gnash-mozilla-plugin |
| 19:28.48 | jordanm | lenswipe: yes, gnash is not known to work very well. use flashplugin-nonfree |
| 19:28.53 | lenswipe | ok |
| 19:29.10 | lenswipe | just apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree? |
| 19:29.17 | jordanm | !flash |
| 19:29.17 | dpkg | flash is, like, frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> or <swfdec> for free implementations or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. See also http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
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| 19:29.27 | jordanm | !adobe flash |
| 19:29.27 | wols | lenswipe: just read what dpkg wrote especially for you |
| 19:29.27 | dpkg | Adobe Flash Player is <non-free> and cannot be in a stable Debian release, as Adobe doesn't provide security support for older versions (see http://bugs.debian.org/457291). The easiest way to install flash is with the flashplayer-mozilla package from <debian-multimedia.org>; there is also a flashplugin-nonfree <contrib> package for sid and backports.org users. Ask me about <dmm> <bpo> <non-free>. http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
| 19:29.38 | planet8 | What group must a user belong to in order to do a mount -o loop without being root? |
| 19:30.23 | greycat | Only root can mount a file system, period. Sometimes you can allow non-root users to mount stuff by editing /etc/fstab, because /bin/mount is setuid root. |
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| 19:30.32 | jordanm | planet8: I believe you can set it up to where they can mount loop devices (fstab) but unsure on them creating a loop device, which is what -o loop does |
| 19:30.39 | justin22885 | well, tried to install debian, but no ext4 support |
| 19:30.58 | jordanm | !tell justin22885 about kmuto |
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| 19:31.51 | lilib | hi |
| 19:32.06 | lilib | i am looking for help |
| 19:32.18 | Number6 | joranm, wols, thank you, I fixed it. It was indeed a corrupt file! Fat32 on my usb-stick couldn't handle cryptic filename somehow (...+lenn2..). |
| 19:32.18 | planet8 | jordanm, thanks |
| 19:32.19 | lilib | i am running atom based miniXT mobo |
| 19:32.23 | iveqy | wols: I still don't get why it works for you but not for me. Does it means that I can confirm that the error should be in my configuration? |
| 19:32.28 | lilib | with integrated gfx |
| 19:32.40 | jordanm | Number6: np |
| 19:32.58 | lilib | and i would like to start x11 |
| 19:33.09 | lilib | when i typed in terminal "startx" |
| 19:33.16 | lilib | some error messages occured |
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| 19:33.58 | wols | iveqy: ii libmagickcore2 7:6.5.8.3-1 low-level image manipulation library |
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| 19:34.00 | greycat | lilib: please write your whole question on one line, rather than hitting enter every 3-5 words |
| 19:34.13 | wols | that's why it does. and it clearly shows why you shouldn't run sid |
| 19:34.18 | wols | ,versions libmagickcore2 |
| 19:34.19 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'libmagickcore2' was found. |
| 19:35.03 | wols | iveqy: surprise! sid has broken packages |
| 19:35.09 | lilib | ok, i will ask another different question first, let say, x11 runs already, what is the best win7 remote desktop access to this x11 debian distro? |
| 19:35.27 | wols | !best |
| 19:35.27 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
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| 19:35.48 | iveqy | wols: but using the same mirror, som packages are broken for me but working for you? |
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| 19:36.05 | eli_ | hello everybody |
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| 19:36.10 | greycat | If you aren't using the Debian system ON your desk, why even bother installing or starting X? |
| 19:36.19 | wols | iveqy: and another strike why you shouldn't run sid. yes the work for me for a reason: I had imagick installed for a long time now |
| 19:36.20 | chut | hi people, is there away to tell debian to not update some specific package? |
| 19:36.25 | greycat | If you want to run applications on a remote Debian server, just ssh in. |
| 19:36.34 | wols | !tell chut about hold |
| 19:36.57 | wols | greycat: lots of reasons for this |
| 19:37.07 | chut | wols, i have to use the flag? |
| 19:37.19 | chut | is there away to add to the apt-get config? |
| 19:38.09 | wols | what has apt-get to do with a dpkg status change? |
| 19:38.29 | simonrvn | chut: read hat the bot told you |
| 19:38.32 | simonrvn | what* |
| 19:39.06 | chut | yes |
| 19:39.17 | chut | thanks wols |
| 19:39.26 | lilib | greycat> i am trying to manage debian as web services machine, plus i want run wine there because i need run one win based app there |
| 19:39.48 | lilib | soo, i use putty for remote access for text based part |
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| 19:41.20 | greycat | what kind of windows application are you using to manage a web server? |
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| 19:41.27 | chut | i got it , thanks! :D |
| 19:41.30 | jhutchins_lt | lilib: You need an X server for Windows. You can usually get one for less than $3,00 US. |
| 19:41.32 | chut | weee |
| 19:41.35 | jhutchins_lt | lilib: You need an X server for Windows. You can usually get one for less than $3,000 US. |
| 19:41.53 | greycat | cygwin has one for $0, doesn't it? |
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| 19:42.05 | wols | greycat: yes. and there is ming/X |
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| 19:42.28 | greycat | I'm still confused about why he'd need a Windows app to manage a unix web server |
| 19:42.36 | wols | but that not might solve his problem. if the X server shuts down, so does his app |
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| 19:43.00 | Chaos|Baghdad | greycat: are you or were you a regular on nixhelp.net too? |
| 19:43.11 | jordanm | and it would be a disaster if it were administered properly |
| 19:43.13 | greycat | I'm not |
| 19:43.22 | lilib | greycat> php, apache, some IM proxy, irssi |
| 19:43.28 | lilib | etc.. |
| 19:43.32 | wols | Chaos|Baghdad: he's an original #debian curmudgeon |
| 19:43.46 | greycat | lilib: still not seeing the "I need a Windows app" part |
| 19:43.46 | jordanm | lilib: none of those require wine or X |
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| 19:44.19 | lilib | yes, as i said, i need wine for one pc/mac based application i need get running |
| 19:44.25 | jhutchins_lt | greycat: Given he's on a Windows desktop, he probably thinks he needs a GUI to manage some part of the server. |
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| 19:44.35 | lilib | it is 3d apliaction, i need bake textures there |
| 19:44.41 | jordanm | lilib: I believe you were asked what that application was |
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| 19:44.45 | wols | or it could be a windows based game server for example, which happens to run under wine too |
| 19:44.54 | chut | wols, can it read the wildcards too libgtk2.0-0? if this package name is this, can i just put in libgtk |
| 19:45.00 | chut | or i have to put the full name |
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| 19:45.30 | wols | chut: there is no "libgtk" package in debian. except maybe a metapackage |
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| 19:45.54 | chut | so i have to put hold on libgtk2.0-0 ? |
| 19:45.55 | wols | no, no metapackage either |
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| 19:46.09 | greycat | usually if you need to install libgtk explicitly, you'd install libgtk2.0-dev or libgtk1.2-dev |
| 19:46.24 | greycat | the -0 part which is just a runtime, you would usually pull in by installing something else |
| 19:46.28 | wols | you have to name a package, use a packagename, whatever it is |
| 19:46.52 | lilib | common VNC should be enough? |
| 19:46.54 | chut | oh :) |
| 19:47.43 | K1ng\ | i got a question |
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| 19:47.55 | jordanm | lilib: why do you expect us to answer your questions if you ignore ours? |
| 19:48.01 | K1ng\ | when i put something in /etc/init.d/ its will start on startup? |
| 19:48.11 | abrotman | K1ng\: no |
| 19:48.22 | abrotman | K1ng\: man update-rc.d .. and see /etc/init.d/skeleton |
| 19:48.29 | jordanm | K1ng\: no, it must be linked to the appropriate run levels. use update-rc.d for this |
| 19:48.31 | greycat | K1ng\: read /etc/init.d/README and set up symlnks from /etc/rc2.d/S* or whatever |
| 19:48.35 | K1ng\ | i am getting error using update-rc |
| 19:48.43 | lilib | jordanm> i answered, i said you i need wine for running one 3d application which is win/macosx only for baking textures |
| 19:49.18 | K1ng\ | please take a look http://pastebin.com/ypR6Zf8e |
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| 19:49.30 | greycat | what the hell is a baking texture? |
| 19:49.49 | greycat | and why does a web server need it? |
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| 19:50.11 | wols | greycat: format transform? could be a web server for a modding community and the maya or whatever needed for that is abit expensive |
| 19:50.13 | jordanm | K1ng\: even if your script was bad, I don't think it would cause update-rc.d to fail |
| 19:50.19 | lilib | ahh, no, i said, i am running text based debian for web based apps just fine |
| 19:50.24 | wols | so people upload pngs and get their texture forumat back, all legal |
| 19:50.26 | K1ng\ | root@epic:/home/r00t/flashpolicyd# update-rc.d flashpolicyd start NN |
| 19:50.26 | K1ng\ | update-rc.d: error: expected NN after start |
| 19:50.53 | abrotman | that's a number ? |
| 19:50.55 | simonrvn | um |
| 19:50.56 | jordanm | again... we are still speculating over what this app is.. why does it remain a secret? |
| 19:50.59 | greycat | K1ng\: you were, um, supposed to use a number |
| 19:51.13 | wols | abrotman: base 26 or so, it surely is! |
| 19:51.15 | lilib | jordanm> app is called modo |
| 19:51.18 | K1ng\ | what number? |
| 19:51.19 | lilib | it is not secret |
| 19:51.27 | K1ng\ | what number should i use? |
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| 19:51.31 | greycat | K1ng\: look in /etc/rc2.d and pick one |
| 19:51.36 | wols | K1ng\: maybe learn how sysvinit works? |
| 19:51.39 | wols | !sysvinit |
| 19:51.39 | dpkg | i guess sysvinit is zless /usr/share/doc/sysvinit/README.runlevels.gz. In Debian Lenny and beyond it's /usr/share/doc/sysv-rc/README.runlevels.gz |
| 19:52.13 | K1ng\ | README S14avahi-daemon S17mysql-ndb-mgm S20csf S20nscd S20saslauthd S21sendmail S91apache2 S99rc.local |
| 19:52.32 | chut | i'm on lenny and i want to install source package, i already installed gtk+ from source, i compiled it with --prefix=/usr, so when the package is being upgrade will it check the current version of my source? |
| 19:52.49 | wols | chut: why would you do such a stupid thing? |
| 19:53.12 | greycat | chut: you should have configured it with --prefix=/usr/local |
| 19:53.13 | chut | because i want to install new version of some text editor |
| 19:53.14 | simonrvn | chut: you gravely misunderstand a package management system |
| 19:53.21 | chut | ohh |
| 19:53.34 | chut | so i did stupid thing? |
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| 19:53.39 | wols | chut: very much so |
| 19:53.42 | chut | ohh |
| 19:53.51 | wols | which editor is this? |
| 19:54.00 | chut | scite |
| 19:54.04 | chut | and gedit |
| 19:54.06 | jordanm | chut: packages installed by the system belong in /usr. packages installed by you, manually, in that manor belong in /usr/local so that they do not conflict with system packages |
| 19:54.07 | chut | lolz |
| 19:54.14 | greycat | manner* |
| 19:54.19 | chut | ohh |
| 19:54.21 | simonrvn | if you don't know, don't guess or assume until you have enough knowledge to know. |
| 19:54.37 | simonrvn | 'manner' ;) jordanm |
| 19:54.38 | jordanm | yes, my spellcheck script has a syntax error I never got around to fixing... |
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| 19:54.45 | simonrvn | heh |
| 19:54.47 | chut | i got it , let me clean it up |
| 19:54.52 | chut | and reinstall the packages |
| 19:54.54 | simonrvn | that's more a grammar thing |
| 19:55.16 | greycat | using the wrong homonym counts as spelling to me |
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| 19:55.57 | simonrvn | yes, but to pick the right one is contextual, that's why i said grammar, but yes it does count |
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| 19:56.43 | karlpinc | Speaking of spelling. I'm running emacs22 on Lenny and the spellcheck does bad things when replacing a mis-spelled word. (Perhaps depending on where the cursor is.) Is there a work-around? |
| 19:57.21 | abrotman | don't use emacs? :) |
| 19:57.26 | lilib | jordanm> do you want any other info? :-) |
| 19:57.37 | abrotman | karlpinc: xemacs too ? (/me assumes so) |
| 19:57.42 | greycat | I don't recall there being a large number of emacs experts here |
| 19:57.50 | abrotman | there were a few ... some converts too |
| 19:57.51 | karlpinc | abrotman: I've not tried it. |
| 19:57.52 | greycat | You might want to try an emacs channel instead. |
| 19:58.06 | mns | karlpinc: try in #emacs |
| 19:58.33 | karlpinc | Okdoke. |
| 19:59.08 | jordanm | karlpinc: I use ispell-buffer which is interactive. maybe you want something like that |
| 19:59.22 | K1ng\ | update-rc.d flashpolicyd defaults will start on startup right? |
| 19:59.31 | abrotman | try it and see |
| 19:59.32 | karlpinc | I could always use emacs 21 instead. |
| 19:59.47 | K1ng\ | /etc/rc0.d/K20flashpolicyd -> ../init.d/flashpolicyd |
| 19:59.53 | jordanm | IIRC emacs21 does not have python-mode |
| 19:59.58 | K1ng\ | i cant restart my server :p |
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| 20:00.00 | jhutchins_lt | K1ng\: Seriously, you should not be messing with init scripts untill and unless you understand what they are and what they do. There is probably a MUCH more logical way to do what you think you're trying to do. |
| 20:00.05 | jhutchins_lt | K1ng\: http://tldp.org/LDP/sag/html/index.html |
| 20:00.07 | karlpinc | jordanm: I use ispell-word, while in the middle of the word "tinkwe" and choose 0 for "tinkle" and get tinkleinkwe |
| 20:00.22 | greycat | K1ng\: rc0.d is done a SHUTDOWN time. |
| 20:00.32 | greycat | K1ng\: if you are using default run levels, you care about rc2.d |
| 20:00.34 | karlpinc | jordanm: I think I was 2 chars from the end. |
| 20:00.43 | jordanm | karlpinc: ah, i just type all my mispelled crap and then fix it after |
| 20:00.51 | K1ng\ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:01.54 | spersaud | when will squeeze be released ? |
| 20:01.54 | jordanm | !wwsr |
| 20:01.54 | dpkg | Squeeze will release <WIR>, <SIYH>. No release schedule is done yet. Ask me about <squeeze bet>. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2010/05/msg00000.html |
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| 20:02.26 | jhutchins_lt | K1ng\: You should use an initscript manager to manage the links, not create them directly. |
| 20:02.45 | greycat | I suspect he did |
| 20:02.48 | K1ng\ | jhutchins_lt, its a server |
| 20:03.00 | jhutchins_lt | K1ng\: the flashpolicyd initscript has information on what levels and priorities it should be run as in it's header. |
| 20:03.09 | greycat | personally I don't have a problem with creating the links myself |
| 20:03.15 | K1ng\ | # Default-Start: 2 3 4 5 |
| 20:03.24 | jhutchins_lt | greycat: You know what you're doing. |
| 20:03.35 | keith4 | does anyone happen to know how big the debian-security mirror is? i can't find it on the mirror size site |
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| 20:04.01 | abrotman | keith4: because i don't think you can mirror it |
| 20:04.06 | denysonique | !squeeze |
| 20:04.06 | dpkg | Squeeze is the codename for the next release, Debian GNU/Linux 6.0. It is the three-eyed space alien. Check http://www.debian.org/News/ for current status and ask me about <testing>. Not to be confused with the <Xfce> archive manager. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSqueeze . See also <squeeze kernel>. |
| 20:04.09 | jordanm | !tell keith4 about security |
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| 20:04.12 | keith4 | abrotman: sure you could |
| 20:04.21 | jordanm | keith4: they don't mirror it |
| 20:04.33 | keith4 | jordanm: yes they do. http://www.debian.org/mirror/mirrors_full#US |
| 20:04.33 | jordanm | not like they do main atleast |
| 20:04.34 | denysonique | !testing |
| 20:04.35 | dpkg | Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <squeeze>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting and ask me about <testing faq> <lenny->squeeze> <testing security> <moving target> <dda> <apt-listchanges> and <bts>. You should have a sound knowledge of Debian packaging to use testing and should be prepared for a bumpy ride at times. Don't use it on things that are critical or on servers. |
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| 20:04.56 | emdete | hi, is there a boot install/rescue cd that supports ext4? |
| 20:04.59 | abrotman | keith4: but i don't think just anyone can mirror it |
| 20:05.05 | abrotman | emdete: in debian? or some other distro ? |
| 20:05.06 | denysonique | emdete, sysresccd |
| 20:05.17 | keith4 | jordanm: lots of the mirrors include 'security' |
| 20:05.25 | abrotman | keith4: http://www.debian.org/security/faq#mirror |
| 20:05.34 | emdete | abrotman: debian |
| 20:05.38 | denysonique | doesn't the debian installer suport ext4?? |
| 20:05.43 | emdete | denysonique: where can i find that? |
| 20:05.43 | abrotman | emdete: not lenny |
| 20:05.50 | emdete | denysonique: mine doesnt |
| 20:05.55 | abrotman | keith4: that is a bit outdated .. i think there are now three mirrors |
| 20:06.08 | jordanm | denysonique: no |
| 20:06.08 | denysonique | google for it |
| 20:06.12 | abrotman | emdete: the lenny installer does not support ext4 (nor does the official lenny kernel) |
| 20:06.29 | keith4 | abrotman: yah, a DNS lookup of security.debian.org shows 3 ipv4 and 1 ipv6 |
| 20:06.34 | jordanm | one of the kmuto kernels can do it.. but its unsupported even for kmuto |
| 20:06.43 | abrotman | i think the ipv6 is the same as one of the ipv4 |
| 20:06.49 | keith4 | probably |
| 20:06.56 | emdete | abrotman: is there a unstable installer supporting it? |
| 20:07.11 | jordanm | is there even an installer for sid? |
| 20:07.17 | keith4 | abrotman: yes, it is. schein.debian.org |
| 20:07.40 | abrotman | jordanm: not officially |
| 20:07.40 | karsten | asg: got a question for you in #d-o |
| 20:07.50 | abrotman | karsten: or just msg him ? |
| 20:08.19 | karsten | Otherwise,: if anyone has thoughts on a large-site/scale production cron infrastructure, I'm doing osme brainstorming. Non-debian, so =>#d-o |
| 20:08.37 | denysonique | I think it would just require editing the initrd... becuase that is the whole installer |
| 20:08.49 | abrotman | no, the *kernel* does not support it |
| 20:08.58 | keith4 | oh, i dunno how i missed that. it says right on the size page that 'security' is about 44G |
| 20:09.07 | abrotman | that sounds .. wrong |
| 20:10.04 | denysonique | I was surprised when I used initrd from debians netinstall for netbooting and saw the debian installer, I was to lazy to build my initrd by my self, finally I mkinitrd one |
| 20:10.22 | denysonique | abrotman, the kernel doesn't support what? |
| 20:10.25 | abrotman | ext4 |
| 20:10.32 | abrotman | in lenny |
| 20:10.46 | denysonique | keith4, upgrade your kernel |
| 20:10.49 | keith4 | abrotman: seems low, if that's all archs |
| 20:10.55 | keith4 | denysonique: what? |
| 20:11.06 | abrotman | thinks denysonique is lost |
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| 20:11.11 | denysonique | keith4, just build your own one |
| 20:11.13 | denysonique | that was to |
| 20:11.17 | abrotman | you're still lost |
| 20:11.37 | denysonique | emdete, |
| 20:11.41 | keith4 | abrotman: timestampe on the bottom of the page is... today, though. http://www.debian.org/mirror/size |
| 20:11.47 | abrotman | okay |
| 20:11.51 | keith4 | shrugs |
| 20:12.07 | denysonique | abrotman, I mean he could build his kernel if he wanted to access ext4 from within his system |
| 20:12.47 | emdete | keith4: schein.debian.org isn't very chatty.. where is the unstable rescue/installer cd image? |
| 20:13.02 | abrotman | denysonique: you're still lost |
| 20:13.11 | denysonique | abrotman, why? |
| 20:13.19 | keith4 | wonders wtf is going on |
| 20:13.27 | abrotman | keith4: nothing you want to know about :) |
| 20:13.28 | greycat | emdete: there isn't one. |
| 20:13.45 | emdete | greycat: no debian install on ext4? |
| 20:14.05 | greycat | emdete: not supported. Which is not to say that someone like kmuto might not have made one. |
| 20:14.16 | keith4 | there are ext4 module packages in squeeze, but not in sid. that's... never a good sign, no? |
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| 20:14.27 | denysonique | emdete, sidux may support ext4 |
| 20:14.37 | lilib | greycat> do you help me right now then? |
| 20:14.40 | emdete | denysonique: what's sidux? |
| 20:14.44 | keith4 | maybe someone wrote a FUSE module for ext4 |
| 20:14.55 | greycat | lilib: ask a question in the channel |
| 20:14.55 | jordanm | !sidux |
| 20:14.56 | dpkg | i heard sidux is a live distribution <based on Debian> Sid, with a special focus on clean and easy hard disk installation. It is <OT> in #debian. Please /join #sidux on irc.oftc.net. |
| 20:15.10 | jordanm | keith4: if they did, it wouldn't work as / |
| 20:15.15 | keith4 | truth |
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| 20:15.30 | keith4 | dare I ask why someone would want to install onto ext4? |
| 20:15.32 | denysonique | keith4, what are you trying to achieve exactly? |
| 20:15.39 | denysonique | emdete, |
| 20:15.40 | greycat | dare I ask why someone would want an unstable root file system? |
| 20:15.41 | lilib | i asked, and you and jordanm wanted more info, soo then i answered |
| 20:15.42 | jordanm | keith4: sns |
| 20:15.53 | denysonique | ext4 isn't that unstable... |
| 20:15.57 | emdete | denysonique: ? |
| 20:16.03 | denysonique | I am going to put mine on btrfs |
| 20:16.21 | keith4 | jordanm: eh? |
| 20:16.26 | jhutchins_lt | dpkg: ext4? |
| 20:16.26 | dpkg | [ext4] Fourth extended file system. Supports volumes up to one exabyte (1024 petabytes) and extents. Support for ext4 filesystem features included in e2fsprogs since 1.41~WIP-2008-06-17-1. Merged in mainline Linux kernel, available in 2.6.28 and later. Ask me about <ext3->ext4> and <ext4->ext3>. Not supported by GRUB Legacy (Debian bug #511121). http://wiki.debian.org/Ext4 http://ext4.wiki.kernel.org/ #ext4 on irc.oftc.net. |
| 20:16.35 | jordanm | !tell keith4 about sns |
| 20:16.42 | greycat | lilib: I cannot help you with installing some godawful windows application on Debian and running it via remote desktop |
| 20:16.48 | keith4 | jordanm: understood |
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| 20:17.04 | jhutchins_lt | greycat: ext4's reasonably stable, but it isn't fully supported by all of the tools yet (particularly grub). |
| 20:17.16 | denysonique | you would need grub2 |
| 20:17.24 | eli_ | hello guys Im havin problem with my sound |
| 20:17.36 | denysonique | eli_, what is the problem? |
| 20:17.39 | denysonique | no sound at all? |
| 20:17.42 | emdete | but as i understand ext4 is the way to go with ssd, right? |
| 20:17.43 | eli_ | seems like I would need help with installing the sound card |
| 20:17.48 | lilib | greycat> i just wanted to know any any windows based client allows me access remotely x11 on my debian distro |
| 20:17.51 | eli_ | I can just hear some beeps :D |
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| 20:18.01 | denysonique | eli_, could you paste your lspci and lsmod please? |
| 20:18.06 | jordanm | !tell eli_ about alsa checklist |
| 20:18.07 | keith4 | lilib: google "xming" |
| 20:18.11 | greycat | lilib: remote *X*? Yeah. Cygwin and ming/X were both mentioned. There are also proprietary Windows X servers. |
| 20:18.17 | jordanm | eli_: start with the checklist dpkg pm'ed you |
| 20:18.18 | lilib | keith4> thank you |
| 20:18.25 | greycat | lilib: but remote X is not remotely running a windows app |
| 20:18.32 | jhutchins_lt | emdete: ext4's advantages are large filesystems (and large files). I wouldn't necessarily think of ext4 as being the best choice. |
| 20:18.36 | Rapsodius | How do I change the X color depth without restarting the X server? |
| 20:18.41 | eli_ | ok guys thanks for all the reply but Im pretty new |
| 20:19.12 | emdete | jhutchins_lt: i understood only ext4 has support for this ssd-command needed, don't remember the name |
| 20:19.22 | shiheir | hi all, im new to debian. after installed, i see irc:x:39:39:ircd:/var/run/ircd:/bin/sh in /etc/passwd. is this normal?? |
| 20:19.30 | greycat | shiheir: yes |
| 20:19.37 | denysonique | emdete, is it going to be for desktop or server? |
| 20:19.42 | greycat | shiheir: if you don't actually install an ircd, it won't do anything |
| 20:19.43 | emdete | denysonique: desktop |
| 20:19.43 | lilib | greycat> sorry i know my english is very bad, and plus i am gfx guy, i know i am asking not exactly :-( |
| 20:19.53 | emdete | denysonique: notebook in fact |
| 20:19.54 | shiheir | greycat: ok thanks |
| 20:19.58 | denysonique | shiheir, have installed an irc server? |
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| 20:20.08 | shiheir | nope... i didnt installed irc server |
| 20:20.22 | greycat | denysonique: it's there even without an ircd installed |
| 20:20.24 | eli_ | how do I add my self to the audio group? |
| 20:20.26 | denysonique | emdete, get ext4 it is safe, ubuntu since 9.10 use it as default |
| 20:20.28 | simonrvn | denysonique: /usr/share/base-passwd/passwd.master |
| 20:20.30 | jhutchins_lt | emdete: I kinda doubt that, ssd devices have been around for a while running ext3 and other filesystems. |
| 20:20.31 | greycat | eli_: "adduser $LOGNAME audio" |
| 20:20.37 | greycat | eli_: then logout and back in |
| 20:20.41 | guysoft42 | never knew how debian is fast until he installed it as a chroot |
| 20:20.48 | emdete | jhutchins_lt: getting slow & slower, yes... |
| 20:21.02 | eli_ | and there would be a problem if Im already in it? |
| 20:21.04 | emdete | (that's what i heard) |
| 20:21.06 | shiheir | denysonique, greycat: so without ircd installed, it is still normal to have that line in my /etc/passwd? |
| 20:21.13 | greycat | eli_: if you want to check, run "id" |
| 20:21.18 | greycat | shiheir: yes |
| 20:21.20 | eli_ | ok |
| 20:21.24 | jhutchins_lt | denysonique: "Safe" != "ubuntu uses it". |
| 20:21.34 | shiheir | greycat: ok thanks! |
| 20:21.48 | lilib | keith4 yes, but i need client |
| 20:21.54 | jhutchins_lt | emdete: Sounds like your sources are not very good. |
| 20:21.55 | jordanm | denysonique: they also used python2.6 as the default before it was ready |
| 20:22.01 | simonrvn | shiheir: greycat already told you |
| 20:22.07 | lilib | xserver is running on my debian, i guess :) |
| 20:22.09 | emdete | jhutchins_lt: may be... yes |
| 20:22.11 | keith4 | lilib: no |
| 20:22.21 | keith4 | lilib: the client/server model is reversed with X11 |
| 20:22.27 | simonrvn | denysonique: that file is the one that's installed by default. go read it. |
| 20:22.27 | emdete | jhutchins_lt: do u know which command i mean? |
| 20:22.40 | denysonique | jhutchins_lt, you seem to be paranoid... |
| 20:22.48 | jhutchins_lt | lilib: Actually, you HAVE been given several working answers, but I can see that you might have missed them in the discussion. |
| 20:22.51 | Rapsodius | How do I change the X color depth without restarting the X server? |
| 20:23.02 | denysonique | and ext4 is stable in general, but just not by debian |
| 20:23.03 | simonrvn | denysonique: please stop spreading misinformation. |
| 20:23.08 | eli_ | alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory |
| 20:23.09 | denysonique | because debian == superstable |
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| 20:23.30 | lilib | jhutchins_lt> yes, i will scroll up again |
| 20:23.30 | jhutchins_lt | lilib: You can buy an Xserver for windows, or download one of the ones that's been recommended, or google "xserver windows7" and choose one for yourself. |
| 20:23.35 | eli_ | Im getting that error message |
| 20:23.38 | greycat | Rapsodius: if xrandr can't do it, it might not be possible |
| 20:23.58 | Rapsodius | xrandr changes resolutions, not color depths |
| 20:24.02 | jhutchins_lt | denysonique: ext4 is NOT not stable in Debian, it is not in debian stable. |
| 20:24.03 | lilib | ok, i see, better solution will be install common KDE or GNOME environment on my debian |
| 20:24.07 | SerajewelKS | denysonique: ubuntu also used pulseaudio by default, remember the headaches that caused... |
| 20:24.19 | greycat | lilib: I still don't understand what you actually NEED. |
| 20:24.24 | lilib | currently i have got installed just text based "root" part and i am accessing it via ssh - putty |
| 20:24.34 | Rapsodius | and AFAIK, to change color depth, I have to edit xorg.conf and put a DefaultDepth line under the screen section, and restart gdm |
| 20:24.35 | jhutchins_lt | lilib: Only if you will be using your debian server directly on your desktop. |
| 20:24.45 | denysonique | jhutchins_lt, in debian, but in general it is stable |
| 20:24.50 | Rapsodius | however I want to do that without the restart part |
| 20:24.51 | lilib | jhutchins_lt> yes, that is what i need |
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| 20:25.02 | lilib | start Desktop and server part on debian |
| 20:25.03 | greycat | lilib: The debian machine is ON your desk? Right in front of you? |
| 20:25.11 | lilib | and access it from windows7 |
| 20:25.15 | jhutchins_lt | denysonique: Yes, ext4 is fairly stable. A lot of tools aren't ready for it yet though, or stable versions that handle it are not available. |
| 20:25.24 | greycat | lilib: An X server is for the machine that is right in front of you. |
| 20:25.35 | SerajewelKS | except Xvnc |
| 20:25.37 | greycat | The X server drives the display. |
| 20:25.49 | eviltoaster | i have done a chroot env. but how do i chroot local users by using /etc/passwd file ? When a user login local he should be chrooted. no ssh etc |
| 20:25.50 | lilib | greycat> my debian is running behind me, on box without monitor and i am access it via putty - ssh |
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| 20:26.10 | SerajewelKS | eviltoaster: run your sshd inside the chroot then |
| 20:26.10 | greycat | lilib: that's what I thought. So you do NOT want X, GNOME, KDE etc, on the Debian system as far as I can tell. |
| 20:26.11 | denysonique | jhutchins_lt, in lenny I suppose |
| 20:26.13 | jhutchins_lt | lilib: Then you do not need KDE or Gnome on it. |
| 20:26.28 | lilib | greycat> need install any good recommended desktop graphics environment will be able run WiNe |
| 20:26.28 | jhutchins_lt | lilib: What you need is an Xserver for your Windows machine. |
| 20:26.31 | SerajewelKS | eviltoaster: if you only want to chroot *some* users then write a script that chroots them and set it as their shell |
| 20:26.44 | jordanm | eviltoaster: you need to give them a shell that has the ability to put them in a chroot such as rssh |
| 20:26.52 | SerajewelKS | jhutchins_lt: or he needs Xvnc... that's an X server too |
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| 20:26.57 | jordanm | eviltoaster: or your own script like SerajewelKS said |
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| 20:27.36 | lilib | i need start my win app - modo in wine on remote machine and run some rendering there - this all via remote client anywhere from world |
| 20:27.54 | jhutchins_lt | lilib: http://www.straightrunning.com/XmingNotes/ |
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| 20:28.12 | SerajewelKS | lilib: install vnc4server and run Xvnc |
| 20:28.13 | lilib | jhutchins_lt> ok, i will check it out, thank you |
| 20:28.15 | denysonique | lilib, install vncserver |
| 20:28.50 | SerajewelKS | an X server for windows is cool, but it assumes that you do not want to detach the display and attach it somewhere else later |
| 20:28.53 | jhutchins_lt | lilib: cygwyn-x was not compatible with 7 last I knew. |
| 20:29.06 | lilib | yes, i used vnc on windows network |
| 20:29.13 | lilib | it should be fine |
| 20:29.19 | jordanm | even if all this X stuff works... I question how well this 3d graphing tools is going to work |
| 20:29.27 | lilib | now, what graphics environment do you recomende me ? |
| 20:29.34 | lilib | to install on my debian |
| 20:29.38 | greycat | lilib: none. |
| 20:29.45 | jordanm | can you even use 3d acceleration with x-forwarding? |
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| 20:30.12 | greycat | 15:32 lilib> i am running atom based miniXT mobo |
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| 20:30.34 | jordanm | ah, and you have limited resources... |
| 20:30.51 | bkw | udev in sid seem to cause many warnings, are there any fix for those yet? |
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| 20:30.57 | simonrvn | jordanm: probably, but probably not worth the network bandwidth. |
| 20:31.19 | greycat | bkw: http://bugs.debian.org/ |
| 20:31.31 | simonrvn | bkw: filing bugs (if none have been filed already) |
| 20:31.36 | lilib | i need to run this app: http://www.luxology.com/modo/ |
| 20:31.54 | xyan | bkw: pastebin the warnings, i didnt see any on sid |
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| 20:32.15 | jordanm | simonrvn: I tried watching youtube over vnc on a gigabit network and it did not work very well |
| 20:32.44 | simonrvn | i wouldn't think so, heh |
| 20:32.47 | lilib | i guessed in those steps> install KDE or GNOME, then install wine, run it and start modo on it, and then i guessed about some client on windows7 which will allow me connect and share that debians desktop |
| 20:32.51 | denysonique | /dev/root is that since the new udev? |
| 20:32.53 | SerajewelKS | is there a more or less standard service that will monitor log files and mail me excerpts when something interesting happens? |
| 20:33.02 | denysonique | sorry wrong channel |
| 20:33.06 | SerajewelKS | "something interesting" being, for example, a regex match |
| 20:33.35 | eli_ | lsmod + lspci: http://pastebin.com/gZywQHHk |
| 20:33.41 | jordanm | SerajewelKS: I use logwatch.. but its daily logs regardless if something interesting happens |
| 20:33.50 | SerajewelKS | jordanm: i was able to, using VNC in low color mode, play WoW on a remote linux machine via wine |
| 20:33.51 | greycat | lilib: you most certainly do NOT want an entire KDE or GNOME session running for this. |
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| 20:34.06 | simonrvn | hello no |
| 20:34.09 | simonrvn | hell* |
| 20:34.12 | SerajewelKS | jordanm: taking a very loose definition of "play" :) |
| 20:34.12 | denysonique | SerajewelKS, I don't know if such tool exists but you can easily write your own script |
| 20:34.22 | jordanm | SerajewelKS: it does provide very nice summaries of the logs though |
| 20:34.33 | SerajewelKS | jordanm: i'll look into that one, thanks for the suggestion |
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| 20:34.41 | SerajewelKS | denysonique: i could... but that would be foolish if such a system already exists |
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| 20:35.20 | denysonique | SerajewelKS, no it really wouldn't you stiill will learn something new |
| 20:35.36 | SerajewelKS | denysonique: i know everything i need to know to write such a system, i just don't want to bother |
| 20:35.47 | simonrvn | SerajewelKS isn't a newbie ;) |
| 20:36.00 | SerajewelKS | simonrvn: thank you :) |
| 20:36.19 | SerajewelKS | i like to think so anyway |
| 20:36.19 | bkw | What application handles the volume buttons such as, mute, decrease and increase? After upgrade to sid the volume control seem to change 'Capture' instead of master or pcm so they don't affect the level at all |
| 20:36.20 | simonrvn | :) |
| 20:36.28 | denysonique | lol, regardles of things like that why he can't just write a simple script? |
| 20:36.46 | jordanm | !sid broken |
| 20:36.46 | dpkg | from memory, sid broken is please don't complain if you're running sid and things break. |
| 20:36.57 | denysonique | where is the sid channel? |
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| 20:37.03 | greycat | denysonique: bugs.debian.org |
| 20:37.03 | denysonique | bkw, join #gentoo |
| 20:37.14 | SerajewelKS | denysonique: because, for one, i need to keep track of rotating log files and *also* make sure that the monitor doesn't re-scan parts of the file it has already scanned |
| 20:37.18 | greycat | bkw: aumix |
| 20:37.28 | greycat | or... maybe I'm out of date. |
| 20:37.37 | greycat | maybe it's amixer or alsa-mixer or something now |
| 20:37.48 | simonrvn | alsamixer, aumix can handle it too iirc |
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| 20:37.54 | SerajewelKS | denysonique: basically i would be throwing together a fairly fragile setup, and i would have to test it a lot. i'm sure somebody has already written something like this, and i'm sure it's been tested more thoroughly than i can in my free time. |
| 20:39.18 | SerajewelKS | denysonique: now, if i wanted "df" output every night, i would definitely write up that script |
| 20:39.30 | SerajewelKS | but log monitoring is a slightly more complex problem |
| 20:39.34 | eli_ | Im still having problem with my sound configuration, could someone please help me out |
| 20:39.36 | jordanm | SerajewelKS: thats provided as part of logwatch |
| 20:39.42 | denysonique | bkw, what de do you use? |
| 20:40.02 | SerajewelKS | jordanm: nifty |
| 20:40.07 | simonrvn | yeh aumix can |
| 20:40.11 | denysonique | eli_, have you loged in and out? |
| 20:40.18 | SerajewelKS | jordanm: mainly i'm after semi-realtime alerts about things that happen |
| 20:40.24 | bkw | greycat: yep, alsamixer seem to work. but I think I need to remap volume buttons to master or pcm if that now is possible. |
| 20:40.25 | eli_ | I was already in the group audio |
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| 20:40.40 | momelod | greetings channel |
| 20:40.45 | greycat | bkw: "volume buttons" in what? |
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| 20:41.21 | bkw | greycat: there're mute decrease and increase buttons at the top of my laptop keyboard. |
| 20:41.25 | denysonique | bkw, what desktop environment |
| 20:41.26 | simonrvn | bkw: things that manipulate the volume don't need "remapping", you just pick one in the prefs.... |
| 20:41.31 | greycat | oh, fancy keyboard crap... no idea. |
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| 20:41.47 | Varanger | hello, is there any problem if I use both aptitude and apt-get ??? Do I have to use just one?? |
| 20:41.54 | simonrvn | "internet" and "multimedia" keyboards.... |
| 20:42.00 | greycat | if I want stuff louder, I reach up and turn the volume knob. |
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| 20:42.21 | simonrvn | greycat: "but that's too hard!!!!111oneone" |
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| 20:42.28 | momelod | I've got an issue with a debian etch box where i cannot install build-essential b/c of some dependencies not being met. In particular: libc6-dev: Depends: libc6 (= 2.3.6.ds1-13etch10+b1) but 2.7-18 is to be installed |
| 20:42.45 | simonrvn | !etch->lenny |
| 20:42.53 | simonrvn | dpkg: etch->lenny |
| 20:43.00 | SerajewelKS | jordanm: hmm, looks like swatch might be exactly what i'm after |
| 20:43.09 | simonrvn | dpkg: etch->lenny |
| 20:43.09 | dpkg | Read the release notes, ask me about <lenny release notes>. Ensure your Etch installation is up to date (aptitude update; aptitude dist-upgrade). Edit your /etc/apt/sources.list and change all non-local mentions of "etch" to "lenny". aptitude update; aptitude install aptitude; aptitude safe-upgrade; aptitude full-upgrade. Also ask me about <apt-listbugs>, <etch->lenny key>. |
| 20:43.10 | eli_ | denysonique: http://pastebin.com/gZywQHHk there is pastebin for lspci and lsmod |
| 20:43.16 | momelod | simonrvn, are u suggesting i upgrade to lenny? |
| 20:43.23 | SerajewelKS | !u |
| 20:43.23 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 20:43.32 | simonrvn | etch is unsupported. yes. |
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| 20:43.45 | greycat | momelod: you have already partly upgraded, it appears. |
| 20:44.04 | momelod | ahh, so best thing to do would be to follow up w/ a dist-upgrade? |
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| 20:44.28 | Varanger | hello, is there any problem if I use both aptitude and apt-get ??? Do I have to use just one?? |
| 20:44.40 | denysonique | eli_, is that a pci soundcard? |
| 20:44.41 | jordanm | momelod: yes, you are basically already running lenny |
| 20:44.41 | SerajewelKS | Varanger: you can use both, but you should use aptitude |
| 20:44.53 | momelod | jordanm, thanks |
| 20:45.00 | greycat | momelod: "dist-upgrade" is not part of the instructions |
| 20:45.03 | eli_ | no it's on my motherboard |
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| 20:45.20 | eli_ | denysonique: no it's on my motherboard |
| 20:45.21 | SerajewelKS | greycat: dist-upgrade == full-upgrade |
| 20:45.22 | greycat | momelod: aptitude update, aptitude safe-upgrade, aptitude full-upgrade |
| 20:45.23 | momelod | greycat, which instructions are you referring too? |
| 20:45.26 | SerajewelKS | greycat: so yes, it is, sort of |
| 20:45.27 | jordanm | momelod: yhou should read the release notes |
| 20:45.29 | momelod | ahh |
| 20:45.30 | momelod | thanks |
| 20:45.32 | greycat | !tell momelod about etch->lenny |
| 20:45.39 | bkw | simonrvn: cannot find any options available, I have checked Keyboard Shortcuts and Keyboard in gnome. I would like the buttons remapped to PCM/Master instead of affecting Capture level. I'll google this, it has changed. |
| 20:45.41 | jordanm | SerajewelKS: yeah, but we like to premote use of aptitude |
| 20:45.42 | SerajewelKS | greycat: (assuming he is using aptitude to do the upgrade, anyway...) |
| 20:45.57 | greycat | SerajewelKS: which the instructions require |
| 20:45.58 | SerajewelKS | jordanm: i still use dist-upgrade with aptitude, just force of habit :) |
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| 20:46.28 | omg_onoez | may be i'm wrong but it seems like squeeze is pretty stable now |
| 20:46.48 | greycat | omg_onoez: it might not stay that way |
| 20:46.54 | omg_onoez | yeah, i know |
| 20:47.03 | SerajewelKS | omg_onoez: "stable" means "doesn't change", not "doesn't crash" |
| 20:47.09 | SerajewelKS | omg_onoez: so no, it's not stable at all |
| 20:47.14 | jordanm | SerajewelKS: I didn't even know it accepted the option |
| 20:47.18 | greycat | SerajewelKS: from context, it's clear what he meant |
| 20:47.24 | SerajewelKS | jordanm: yeh, it's an alias for full-upgrade |
| 20:47.52 | jordanm | !moving target |
| 20:47.52 | dpkg | Sure, testing might be shiner that stable, but are you prepared to be continually updating your system? Things that worked today will break tomorrow. Configuration file formats will change and you'll have to fold your changes in yet again. Testing is a moving target and if you'd rather work *with* your computer rather than working *on* your computer, you might not want that. See <testing security>. |
| 20:48.13 | simonrvn | bkw: sound prefs. apt-cache search multimedia key |
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| 20:49.53 | lilib | greycat> how to install the basic part of GNOME? does exist anything like that? |
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| 20:50.10 | SerajewelKS | lilib: gnome-core |
| 20:50.12 | Varanger | SerajewelKS: I've heard a lot that aptitude is much better but I haven't found any objective reason... |
| 20:50.15 | greycat | lilib: you are chasing the wrong goal |
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| 20:50.22 | SerajewelKS | !tell Varanger about why aptitude |
| 20:50.23 | denysonique | why is this bot changing the channel limit so often? |
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| 20:50.47 | greycat | lilib: if you NEED a window manager on the Debian box (and I don't know whether you do or not!) then install something BASIC and LIGHTWEIGHT, not gnome or kde. |
| 20:50.47 | cantido | thought apt-get did a lot of what aptitude does now |
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| 20:51.11 | cantido | greycat: why? if you want a desktop install one |
| 20:51.28 | jordanm | cantido: you missed the large majority of the start of this converstation |
| 20:51.30 | greycat | cantido: that's not what he's doing. He's trying to run ONE application on a remote Debian system from his Windows 7 desktop. |
| 20:51.42 | greycat | cantido: ... a windows application. In wine. |
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| 20:51.45 | cantido | oh, well he can just use twm then |
| 20:51.59 | greycat | twm, fvwm, blackbox, etc. |
| 20:52.07 | cantido | ratpoison would do it too |
| 20:52.09 | greycat | and I'm not even sure he really needs that |
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| 20:52.22 | denysonique | eli_, please paste your lspci -k |
| 20:52.26 | cantido | mmm I'm not sure wine would like being without a window manager |
| 20:52.34 | jordanm | or why he doesn't just run this windows desktop app on his windows desktop... |
| 20:52.36 | lilib | yes, i it is what should be enough for me |
| 20:52.39 | cantido | it doesn't handle multiple displays very well |
| 20:52.58 | lilib | just text based linux with some small graphics addition allows me run one wine instance |
| 20:53.04 | greycat | it's out of my experience. I don't do VNC stuff. |
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| 20:53.07 | denysonique | !windows |
| 20:53.08 | dpkg | "PCs are like air conditioners, if you open Windows(R) they don't work." Support for Microsoft Windows operating systems is available at ##windows on irc.freenode.net. |
| 20:53.22 | denysonique | don't use windows apps |
| 20:53.32 | cantido | lilib: or.. just install windows xp or something |
| 20:53.34 | denysonique | btw what app is it? |
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| 20:53.43 | uRock | dpkg told a funny |
| 20:53.44 | dpkg | uRock: bugger all, i dunno |
| 20:54.02 | jordanm | denysonique: "modo" |
| 20:54.21 | saulo | Hello all! I'm trying enable Apache + LDAP + SVN to enable my SVN server service. All almost dome, but with this config at Apache: http://pastebin.com/e6cg1Yt2 When I connect from an SVN client I receive the error "Repository moved permanently to 'http:...'; mplease relocate. With best info I found here: http://subversion.apache.org/faq.html#http-301-error But I'm unable to solve it |
| 20:54.39 | lilib | cantido> that is what i don't want, debian is fine for web apps and projects management |
| 20:55.00 | cantido | lilib: but you want a single windows app? |
| 20:55.20 | eli_ | http://pastebin.com/gZywQHHk I have it in there at the top you'll find it |
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| 20:55.23 | saulo | Somebody can help me to solve this? I'm with Debian SID |
| 20:55.30 | omg_onoez | =) |
| 20:55.38 | jordanm | saulo: you would have better luck on #httpd or an svn channel |
| 20:55.41 | lilib | yes, just that one, CPU is lazy in debian server and i want use it for rendering textures for games |
| 20:55.51 | jordanm | saulo: why on earth are you using sid for a _server_? |
| 20:56.10 | cantido | lilib: you dont want the cpu to be 100% all the time on a "server" |
| 20:56.21 | saulo | It's my lan test server, not for production |
| 20:56.24 | denysonique | eli_, sorry I need it with the -k switch |
| 20:56.29 | denysonique | eli_, lspci -k |
| 20:56.40 | eli_ | denysonique: lspci -k http://pastebin.com/63mXN7Yj |
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| 20:56.52 | jordanm | saulo: well, I still say #httpd or similar. although, you never know when you have found a new bug |
| 20:56.53 | lilib | i guessed since Atom is multithread to dedicate some thread to render and rest will stay for debian |
| 20:56.56 | lilib | server |
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| 20:57.12 | cantido | lilib: which atom? |
| 20:57.25 | denysonique | eli_, lspci -k | yourpaste ;) |
| 20:57.28 | lilib | dunno exactly, the latest one |
| 20:57.29 | omg_onoez | lilib, you don't whant to render textures on atom |
| 20:57.32 | lilib | 4 cores |
| 20:57.42 | cantido | lilib: 2 cores, 4 threads |
| 20:57.44 | saulo | I'm tryed at #httpd, but no good response for now :( Another channel I could go? |
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| 20:57.51 | lilib | yes, 4 threads |
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| 20:58.04 | cr3rzemjest | hi |
| 20:58.05 | cantido | yeah, 4 threads is very different to 4 cores |
| 20:58.05 | jordanm | saulo: svn specific channel? |
| 20:58.20 | cr3rzemjest | how do i apply options to 'configure' script? |
| 20:58.21 | denysonique | eli_, is your sound card enabled in bios? |
| 20:58.37 | denysonique | cr3rzemjest, .configure --help |
| 20:58.38 | eli_ | yehh why not? |
| 20:58.53 | denysonique | eli_, has it worked with other linux distros before? |
| 20:59.13 | eli_ | not tried with other linux distros but with windows |
| 20:59.19 | denysonique | okay |
| 20:59.29 | denysonique | eli_, you are running lenny right? |
| 20:59.42 | eli_ | yeahh tried out with ubuntu and didn't work there either |
| 20:59.45 | eli_ | yes debian 5 |
| 20:59.52 | denysonique | eli_, what version of ubuntu? |
| 20:59.55 | saulo | Ok! Trying #svn! |
| 20:59.58 | cr3rzemjest | i've been trying to compile evas for e17, but despite "configure --enable-image-loader-png" there's still "unable to load png" error |
| 21:00.00 | saulo | thanks :) |
| 21:00.16 | eli_ | ubuntu 9.10 I think |
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| 21:00.27 | cr3rzemjest | i also uninstalled everything e17 related + make clean everything |
| 21:00.37 | cantido | cr3rzemjest: did you install the libpng headers? |
| 21:00.47 | cantido | cr3rzemjest: also.. why not just use the packages? |
| 21:01.14 | cr3rzemjest | cantido, packages, there's no package for e17 |
| 21:01.18 | cr3rzemjest | cantido, i didint |
| 21:01.43 | eli_ | denysonique: but my sound card neither worked with ubuntu |
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| 21:02.16 | cantido | cr3rzemjest: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=e17 |
| 21:02.34 | cantido | cr3rzemjest: its in unstable, there's probably a backport |
| 21:03.21 | lilib | jordanm> i do not want run it on my desktop because rendering is time expensive, i want shut down my machine sometime too and debian server is running over whole day |
| 21:03.50 | cantido | lilib: it doesn't have a "shutdown when finished" option? |
| 21:04.40 | lilib | cantido> no, but as i said, i use debian server for web and project management |
| 21:04.44 | lilib | there is running svn |
| 21:04.52 | lilib | it runs still |
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| 21:05.37 | lilib | plus i am wonder how linux should handle it, i used debian for some things and handles all things i needed better than window |
| 21:05.48 | lilib | with much smaller resources |
| 21:05.58 | lilib | and "it counts" :-) |
| 21:07.35 | jhutchins_lt | lilib: Have you tried running the renderer in wine? |
| 21:08.01 | jhutchins_lt | lilib: Most modern animated movies are rendered directly under Linux you know. There's probably a native tool. |
| 21:08.18 | jhutchins_lt | lilib: In which case, it wouldn't need the resources of a GUI. |
| 21:08.43 | lilib | renderer is built in modo app |
| 21:08.43 | cantido | lightwave etc have linux rendering clients.. but you still need a windows controller AFAIK |
| 21:08.57 | jhutchins_lt | lilib: There may be a different renderer for the same format. |
| 21:09.05 | lilib | it won't run as independent node |
| 21:09.06 | simonrvn | you don't need a gui to do rendering ;) |
| 21:09.38 | jhutchins_lt | lilib: You might enjoy installing Debian as a dual-boot or VM guest on your desktop. A lot of us here have quit using Windows completely once we were comfortable with Linux. |
| 21:09.52 | lilib | simonrvn> i know, but i didnt find way how to run native win32 app under debian's shell |
| 21:09.55 | denysonique | eli_, I am looking for the appropriate audio module for you, but for now try modprobe snd_intel8x0 |
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| 21:10.16 | simonrvn | lspci -nn |
| 21:10.30 | eli_ | denysonique: thanks for the help... |
| 21:10.31 | simonrvn | !pciid XXXX:YYYY |
| 21:10.40 | simonrvn | !pci id XXXX:YYYY |
| 21:10.47 | simonrvn | hrm |
| 21:11.23 | aiux | !pciid XXXX:YYYY |
| 21:11.32 | aiux | , pciid XXXX:YYYY |
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| 21:13.04 | simonrvn | judd has it |
| 21:13.11 | dv- | Has anyone installed debian testing in qemu? Here it just halts at 41% erasing disk |
| 21:13.15 | denysonique | !limit |
| 21:13.15 | dpkg | rumour has it, limit is iptables -t nat -N LIMIT; iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth0 -p tcp -m tcp --tcp-flags SYN,RST,ACK SYN -j LIMIT; iptables -t nat -A LIMIT -i eth0 -m limit --limit 2/sec --limit-burst 8 -j RETURN; iptables -t nat -A LIMIT -i eth0 -j DROP |
| 21:13.17 | simonrvn | ,pciid 1033:0035 |
| 21:13.19 | judd | [1033:0035] is 'USB' from 'NEC Corporation' with no known kernel module in lenny or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1033:0035 |
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| 21:14.33 | tuvwx | how known is viper (automatic debian installer)? any experiences on how it compares to FAI? |
| 21:15.48 | uRock | is there a way to set up a motd for when the terminal is opened? |
| 21:16.15 | aiux | , versions viper |
| 21:16.16 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'viper' was found. |
| 21:16.38 | tuvwx | http://www.spinlocksolutions.com/viper/doc/index.html |
| 21:16.51 | uRock | dpkg banner |
| 21:16.51 | dpkg | uRock: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
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| 21:18.47 | uRock | simonrvn, thanx |
| 21:19.22 | denysonique | eli_, have you loaded that modules? |
| 21:19.24 | simonrvn | # Prints the motd upon succesful [sic] login |
| 21:19.30 | simonrvn | session optional pam_motd.so |
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| 21:26.07 | denysonique | can someone explain to me where docache is from? |
| 21:26.23 | denysonique | grep 'docache' . -r returned no results |
| 21:26.28 | denysonique | in /usr/src/linux |
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| 21:28.16 | eli_ | denysonique: I tried modprobe snd_intel8x0 |
| 21:28.33 | eli_ | but nothing happened as far as I know |
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| 21:30.07 | tuvwx | what are my options if i want ldap-based dhcp and dns? |
| 21:30.39 | jhutchins_lt | If viper is an installer, it wouldn't be a package. |
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| 21:33.00 | pzn | is there any software similar to www.originlab.com for debian? need to plot graphs, make stddev, mean, ... |
| 21:34.11 | cantido | how does one use bluetooth keyboards with whatever is in testing at the moment? |
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| 21:35.56 | jordanm | pzn: no luck with gnuplot? |
| 21:36.32 | pzn | jordanm, no... I'm analysing the data... so need to plot also means, stddev lines... |
| 21:36.59 | pzn | jordanm, it will work, but I'll have too much programming time for treat the data before sending to gnuplot |
| 21:37.30 | jordanm | pzn: I would suggest the debian-user list |
| 21:37.57 | pzn | jordanm, ok! thanks! |
| 21:38.04 | jhutchins_lt | pzn: I don't know what to recommend, but I do know that there is very high qualithy software for those purposes in Linux - in fact, some fo the best stuff comes from Unix/Linux mainframes in the first place. |
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| 21:40.11 | pzn | jhutchins_lt, I only told about "origin" because some folks use it for statistics/research and I know it does what I need. I use only free software. |
| 21:40.34 | BigFatFatty | pzn: I heard R is good |
| 21:40.58 | pzn | BigFatFatty, what is "R"? |
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| 21:41.16 | BigFatFatty | pzn: http://math.illinoisstate.edu/dhkim/rstuff/rtutor.html |
| 21:41.40 | SoulSeller | pzn, http://www.r-project.org/ |
| 21:41.53 | BigFatFatty | pzn: I don't know much about it personally though |
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| 21:48.54 | themill | pzn: /msg dpkg plotting ; there are quite a few things some of which can even open origin files |
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| 21:52.03 | pzn | themill, nice hint! |
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| 21:53.32 | themill | pzn: if you want point and drool like origin then qtiplot/labplot/scidavis are worth looking at (they're all forks of each other). xmgr/grace is the grand old lady of this stuff. gnuplot/pyxplot are a combination of scripting and interactive. things like R, octave and pyx are really libraries that you script around. |
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| 21:58.34 | CoJaBo-Aztec | Some of the debian packages (like the one for deluge) are hilariously out of date. Sugestions? |
| 21:59.26 | rudi_s | CoJaBo-Aztec: Be happy that they work ;-) And check backports, maybe they have a newer version. |
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| 22:01.09 | jhutchins_lt | CoJaBo-Aztec: I've been running Deb for a little over a year now, I have yet to run into anyting that wasn't available and functional. |
| 22:01.23 | jhutchins_lt | CoJaBo-Aztec: There may be newer packages out there, but there's nothing essential to me in them. |
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| 22:02.02 | jhutchins_lt | CoJaBo-Aztec: Of course, I don't have a desperate need for jiggly windows. |
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| 22:03.35 | CoJaBo-Aztec | jhutchins_lt: I need deluge. Deluge before 1.2 is horrificly broken. Before 1.0 does not even support command-line usage, which I need since this thing cannot run Xorg. Debian has version 0.5. |
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| 22:07.36 | CoJaBo-Aztec | Any ideas on installing an up-to-date package? |
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| 22:08.16 | isfranc | what s an up-to-date package? |
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| 22:08.48 | SerajewelKS | ,versions deluge |
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| 22:08.50 | judd | deluge -- sid: 1.2.3-1; squeeze: 1.2.3-1 |
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| 22:09.03 | SerajewelKS | hello lag |
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| 22:09.20 | CoJaBo-Aztec | 1.2.3 is the latest.. but how do I install it? |
| 22:09.25 | themill | CoJaBo-Aztec: your particular example of deluge is a little hard to deal with. |
| 22:09.29 | SerajewelKS | CoJaBo-Aztec: 0.5 isn't even in debian at all |
| 22:09.40 | SerajewelKS | CoJaBo-Aztec: is it left-over from etch or something? |
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| 22:10.16 | themill | ,versions deluge-torrent |
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| 22:10.18 | judd | deluge-torrent -- etch-backports: 0.5.0-2~bpo.1; lenny: 0.5.9.3-1; sid: 1.2.3-1; squeeze: 1.2.3-1 |
| 22:10.27 | themill | SerajewelKS: changed package names |
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| 22:11.44 | CoJaBo-Aztec | huh? |
| 22:12.13 | SerajewelKS | themill: ah |
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| 22:12.27 | CoJaBo-Aztec | SerajewelKS: Its def. 0.5. |
| 22:12.41 | CoJaBo-Aztec | 0.5 is hopelessly outdated |
| 22:12.46 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions deluge |
| 22:12.47 | judd | deluge -- sid: 1.2.3-1; squeeze: 1.2.3-1 |
| 22:12.54 | SerajewelKS | CoJaBo-Aztec: backport it from squeeze |
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| 22:13.04 | CoJaBo-Aztec | Ive never used Debian before |
| 22:13.06 | themill | it's a non-trivial backport |
| 22:13.14 | CoJaBo-Aztec | I have no idea what that even means. |
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| 22:13.16 | SerajewelKS | hrm |
| 22:13.34 | SerajewelKS | CoJaBo-Aztec: use something else? :) |
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| 22:13.46 | CoJaBo-Aztec | SerajewelKS: Is it doable, or not? |
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| 22:14.02 | SerajewelKS | CoJaBo-Aztec: your options here are rather limited, unfortunately... use something else, backport (which won't be straightforward), or upgrade to squeeze |
| 22:14.24 | jordanm | or pick one of the tons of other torrent clients to choose from... |
| 22:14.26 | jhutchins_lt | CoJaBo-Aztec: The other alternative is to use another of the dozen or so torrent clients available. |
| 22:14.34 | CoJaBo-Aztec | How do I upgrade? Shouldnt the one I got have been the latest? |
| 22:14.38 | fluorine | should dejavu and bitstream fonts look identical if fontconfig was done right? |
| 22:15.08 | CoJaBo-Aztec | Also, it must be deluge- the machine has no direct internet connection, and Deluge is the only client out there that supports using a proxy. |
| 22:15.20 | SerajewelKS | CoJaBo-Aztec: no it's not |
| 22:15.23 | jhutchins_lt | CoJaBo-Aztec: No, there are others. |
| 22:15.26 | CoJaBo-Aztec | Which? |
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| 22:15.27 | SerajewelKS | CoJaBo-Aztec: vuze at least supports proxies |
| 22:15.58 | CoJaBo-Aztec | Can that run commandline? |
| 22:15.59 | jhutchins_lt | CoJaBo-Aztec: I'm NAT/Firewalled and I've used several including bittorrent-gui and ktorrent. |
| 22:16.19 | jhutchins_lt | CoJaBo-Aztec: Pretty sure bittorrent supports proxying. |
| 22:16.21 | SerajewelKS | CoJaBo-Aztec: i don't know... i'd guess not |
| 22:16.38 | jhutchins_lt | deluge is GTK. |
| 22:17.00 | CoJaBo-Aztec | By "proxying" I mean everything- it does me no good to get to the tracker if I cant connect to peers. |
| 22:17.22 | CoJaBo-Aztec | jhutchins_lt: Deluge can run as a webui, which is the best possible option. |
| 22:17.47 | CoJaBo-Aztec | But not on Debian, because the version it ships with is years out of date. |
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| 22:18.06 | SerajewelKS | vuze has a webui plugin, i'm not sure how powerful it is though |
| 22:18.14 | krisfremen | CoJaBo-Aztec: compile it yourself? |
| 22:18.17 | jhutchins_lt | CoJaBo-Aztec: Usually that's a sign that there are better solutions available, and nobody feels especially inspired to update it. |
| 22:18.18 | SerajewelKS | it will require an X server though, since the main GUI can't be switched off |
| 22:18.22 | jordanm | CoJaBo-Aztec: aug 2008 to be exact |
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| 22:19.03 | jhutchins_lt | CoJaBo-Aztec: Just learn to use bittorrent directly. |
| 22:19.22 | SerajewelKS | yeah, only pansies use webuis! |
| 22:19.42 | jordanm | except for cups... cups webui is great :) |
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| 22:19.45 | Wilthril | hi guys |
| 22:19.46 | CoJaBo-Aztec | krisfremen: I am- It has thus far taken many hours, with no results. |
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| 22:20.20 | CoJaBo-Aztec | krisfremen: I am currently waiting for boost (100+MB dependency) to download. |
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| 22:20.33 | Wilthril | anyone knows how i can prevent a package from updating? (i.e. when i do aptitude update && aptitude safe-upgrade the package won't be updated)? |
| 22:20.44 | jordanm | !tell Wilthril about hol |
| 22:20.45 | jordanm | !tell Wilthril about hold |
| 22:20.46 | SerajewelKS | Wilthril: man aptitude, look at the hold command |
| 22:21.13 | themill | Wilthril: aptitude's forbid-version may also be of interest |
| 22:21.24 | Wilthril | ok that was hold thanks guys |
| 22:21.35 | Wilthril | (i thought it was freeze or something... oh well) |
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| 22:23.03 | Wilthril | great that does it thanks again |
| 22:23.11 | webguynow | newbie here needs some help managing a new virtual host |
| 22:23.57 | jordanm | webguynow: you have to ask more specific questions if you expect help |
| 22:23.58 | CoJaBo-Aztec | Is there a way to do this that does not require compiling large numbers of source pacakges manually or an OS change?? |
| 22:24.09 | pzn | themill, your hints were really useful! thanks! need to go out of work now. see ya |
| 22:24.17 | SerajewelKS | CoJaBo-Aztec: a chroot perhaps |
| 22:24.19 | themill | pzn: no worries. have fun with it |
| 22:24.22 | jordanm | CoJaBo-Aztec: no, doesn't look like it |
| 22:24.32 | webguynow | right I'm trying to set it up from the get-go and have GNU/Linux |
| 22:24.35 | jordanm | SerajewelKS: the chroot would "require compiling a large number of source packages" |
| 22:24.37 | CoJaBo-Aztec | Suggestion of what OS I should install? |
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| 22:24.44 | SerajewelKS | jordanm: no it would not |
| 22:24.46 | jordanm | SerajewelKS: oh... well I guess not if you just put squeeze in the chroot |
| 22:24.51 | SerajewelKS | jordanm: right :) |
| 22:25.01 | SerajewelKS | CoJaBo-Aztec: you can debootstrap a directory with squeeze and then chroot into it |
| 22:25.14 | CoJaBo-Aztec | ? |
| 22:25.20 | SerajewelKS | CoJaBo-Aztec: effectively letting you run lenny and squeeze side-by-side (i do this on my LAN server for similar reasons as yours) |
| 22:25.38 | CoJaBo-Aztec | That seems complicated. |
| 22:25.38 | SerajewelKS | !tell CoJaBo-Aztec about chroot |
| 22:25.44 | webguynow | I'm pretty sure that means Debian ( respond to WGN ) |
| 22:25.58 | SerajewelKS | CoJaBo-Aztec: it's far less complicated than compiling stuff |
| 22:26.10 | webguynow | got a bare virtualized srv I'm pretty sure |
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| 22:26.36 | webguynow | so have to check and verify that it even has ftp server, apache, php, and things like that |
| 22:27.03 | CoJaBo-Aztec | How do I do it then? |
| 22:27.09 | jordanm | are there any tools that will check to see how easy a package is to upgrade? for example, looks at the depends and says in order to backport package X libs N need to also be backported? |
| 22:27.24 | jordanm | I do this manually currently... a CLI tool would be excellent though |
| 22:27.36 | webguynow | next would be figuring out if I'm stuck on Shell (bash) access thru Putty or can Remote in with some kind of Gui VNC, or something |
| 22:27.36 | themill | jordanm: I'm working on one as we speak |
| 22:27.39 | SerajewelKS | CoJaBo-Aztec: see http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap |
| 22:27.59 | jordanm | themill: nice :) |
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| 22:28.32 | themill | jordanm: you saw the output of it the other day when we were talking about pastebinit btw |
| 22:28.48 | SerajewelKS | webguynow: sounds like you have enough homework to do before you need help then |
| 22:29.06 | jordanm | themill: I don't recall |
| 22:29.14 | SerajewelKS | webguynow: and note that "GNU/Linux" could just as easily be one of the other thousands of linux distros |
| 22:29.22 | SerajewelKS | webguynow: if /etc/debian_version doesn't exist, it's not debian |
| 22:29.34 | webguynow | I think Remote administration would require port forwarding on my router |
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| 22:29.45 | jordanm | webguynow: /etc/issue should be present on most distros |
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| 22:30.41 | webguynow | looking guy - appreciate the guidance -WGN |
| 22:30.48 | webguynow | looking now brb |
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| 22:33.23 | hkais | hello all |
| 22:34.02 | hkais | is there a way to see more info than only cpu in top what is causing a high load? |
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| 22:36.35 | CoJaBo-Aztec | Nvm, I think itd be easier just to install Ubuntu :/ |
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| 22:41.05 | hkais | ??? |
| 22:41.59 | webguynow | crap |
| 22:42.02 | webguynow | no |
| 22:42.30 | CoJaBo-Aztec | ? |
| 22:42.34 | webguynow | no /etc/debian |
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| 22:42.55 | SerajewelKS | webguynow: what does 'cat /etc/issue' say? |
| 22:43.01 | webguynow | so how to find out which distro is it |
| 22:43.03 | webguynow | lemme chk |
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| 22:43.48 | webguynow | got it |
| 22:43.50 | webguynow | CentOS release 5.2 (Final) |
| 22:44.03 | sparr | CoJaBo-Aztec: you can install ubuntu packages on debian, and vice versa, if you're crazy |
| 22:44.15 | themill | webguynow: #centos is over there --> |
| 22:44.20 | abrotman | sparr: wtf is wrong wiht you .. don't tell people that |
| 22:44.22 | CoJaBo-Aztec | sparr: Can I install up-to-date packages tho? |
| 22:44.30 | webguynow | LOL @ themill |
| 22:44.31 | CoJaBo-Aztec | sparr: deluge v1.2.3 |
| 22:44.32 | CoJaBo-Aztec | ? |
| 22:44.39 | themill | CoJaBo-Aztec, sparr: don't do that |
| 22:44.40 | hkais | is there a way to see more info than only cpu in top what is causing a high load? |
| 22:44.50 | CoJaBo-Aztec | Without downloading an entire OS in chroot or something. |
| 22:44.57 | abrotman | CoJaBo-Aztec: do not take advice from sparr |
| 22:46.04 | sparr | err... |
| 22:46.10 | CoJaBo-Aztec | Why not? Whats toe worst that could happen? |
| 22:46.10 | sparr | so you don't have to be crazy to do it? |
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| 22:46.18 | sparr | CoJaBo-Aztec: your system could be rendered unbootable |
| 22:46.28 | CoJaBo-Aztec | LOL so? |
| 22:46.30 | abrotman | CoJaBo-Aztec: you lose everything ? |
| 22:46.43 | sparr | hkais: what sort of info are you looking for? |
| 22:46.48 | isfranc | question : debootstap is a good way for chroot with ChrootDirectory ssh ? |
| 22:46.56 | CoJaBo-Aztec | If I have to install Ubuntu anyway, it does not matter. |
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| 22:47.07 | hkais | sparr: my hdd is flashing and i need to know why |
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| 22:47.18 | octocpp | will nfsv4 using kerberos be as fast as nfsv3 ? maybe faster ? |
| 22:47.19 | sparr | hkais: hard drive access has nothing to do with cpu load |
| 22:47.21 | CoJaBo-Aztec | Installing deluge is the first thing I have attempted to do with it. It didnt work. |
| 22:47.24 | abrotman | CoJaBo-Aztec: then go to #ubuntu for help ? |
| 22:47.25 | hkais | i seek for something like the vista/win7 process monitor |
| 22:47.30 | octocpp | I am using nfsv3 over gigabit and it is really fast |
| 22:47.31 | themill | hkais: iotop |
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| 22:48.13 | jordanm | isfranc: you can do that. would not be best if your going for minimal usage |
| 22:48.53 | webguynow | can someone point me to Linux Admin page, about ftp and vsftpd ? |
| 22:48.54 | isfranc | jordanm: is the easy way for chroot ssh |
| 22:49.16 | isfranc | jordanm: with ssh and ajaxterm |
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| 22:49.24 | sparr | hkais: inotify-tools has a tool for logging which files are accessed |
| 22:50.28 | sparr | hkais: or iotop might be what you want |
| 22:51.25 | jordanm | webguynow: the vsftpd package appears to come with quite a few documentation files and examples |
| 22:51.28 | isfranc | jordanm: ajaxterm to ssh in chroot make by deboostrap is secure ? |
| 22:51.30 | SerajewelKS | webguynow: #centos |
| 22:51.50 | SerajewelKS | webguynow: ask them, not use. you are not using debian. |
| 22:51.52 | SerajewelKS | us* |
| 22:52.00 | webguynow | right I know we're supposed to be debian snob? in here |
| 22:52.14 | sparr | yes, in #debian you find debian snobs. surprised? |
| 22:52.23 | themill | webguynow: centos and debian differ greatly in some of the details. The guys in #centos can help you better than us. |
| 22:52.27 | sparr | try asking your question in #windows, the result will be worse :) |
| 22:52.36 | webguynow | granted there are some differences, but quite a bit of commonality too I'd imagine |
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| 22:52.46 | webguynow | not surprised |
| 22:52.51 | jordanm | isfranc: I have never used ajaxterm, so I cannot comment on that. I know that ssh can handle chrooting, but I always used rssh |
| 22:53.07 | sparr | unfortunately there are no very-easy-to-configure/run FTPDs for linux, afaik |
| 22:53.09 | jordanm | isfranc: ssh is likely easier |
| 22:53.38 | jordanm | isfranc: although, it likely will not work if they login locally |
| 22:55.16 | octocpp | ntfsv4 with kerberob faster or slower than nfsv3 ? anyone :) |
| 22:55.45 | hkais | pretty funny it was thunderbird.... |
| 22:55.55 | hkais | thx for the help! |
| 22:55.59 | isfranc | jordanm: look this https://thenewlan.fr/term/ |
| 22:57.55 | jordanm | ,info ajaxterm |
| 22:57.56 | judd | ajaxterm (web, optional): Web based terminal written in Python. Version: 0.10-2; Size: 39.4k; Installed: 248k; Homepage: http://antony.lesuisse.org/qweb/trac/wiki/AjaxTerm; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/ajaxterm |
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| 23:02.37 | isfranc | now i have a host, in host i have a vm, in vm i have a chroot, in this chroot i have a ssh shell for ajaxterm, is secure or not ? |
| 23:02.53 | isfranc | what you think ot this ? |
| 23:04.15 | themill | madness? |
| 23:04.19 | jordanm | sounds like my bind9 server |
| 23:05.44 | jordanm | isfranc: you also will probably want the host and the guest on seperate vlans, that cannot talk to each other |
| 23:06.22 | isfranc | jordanm: yes now i wanna my host out the lan |
| 23:06.36 | isfranc | if i can have a br0 0 |
| 23:06.44 | isfranc | 0.0.0.0. |
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| 23:07.45 | isfranc | jordanm: i think, boot, after my host have ip with a guest dhcp ? |
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| 23:08.19 | CoJaBo-Aztec | waits for ubuntu to downbload |
| 23:08.41 | jordanm | isfranc: I don't know your setup... |
| 23:08.45 | deco | lol |
| 23:09.00 | deco | CoJaBo-Aztec: why are you downloading ubuntu ? |
| 23:09.03 | deco | just curious |
| 23:09.36 | jordanm | no need for this coversation to take place. you just took the troll bait... |
| 23:09.57 | deco | jordanm: sorry i'm new here |
| 23:09.57 | isfranc | jordanm: yes i have curious ideas somethime :P |
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| 23:10.47 | Noo | hey! I just wrote an C file with Kdevelop. Can anybody tell me how to execute it now? |
| 23:10.50 | CoJaBo-Aztec | deco: Because it has packages that are up to date :/ |
| 23:11.30 | jordanm | Noo: there is #c channel for C programming |
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| 23:12.00 | guysoft42 | hey, i have installed on a hard drive here debian using bootstrap, now i am trying to boot in to it using qemu, but grub is giving me an error: unaligned pointer. where is that coming from? |
| 23:12.02 | Noo | well but its a question about kdevelop and not about C |
| 23:12.21 | deco | Noo: #kde |
| 23:12.36 | isfranc | yes i wanna boot without ip on host and after boot have ip to have a vm gateway ?? |
| 23:12.58 | Noo | deco:thanks :) |
| 23:13.07 | deco | np |
| 23:13.24 | isfranc | can have br0 0.0.0.0 ? |
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| 23:16.18 | Guthur | noticed some strange iceweasel behaviour, if I chmod -R user:user . |
| 23:16.34 | Guthur | It causes iceweasel to think a plugin has been updated |
| 23:16.41 | orzo | hello |
| 23:16.45 | Guthur | And it askes to restart |
| 23:16.58 | Guthur | That command was in the home directory |
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| 23:17.38 | orzo | apt-get source is handy for grabbing a package source, but then when a new version of the source is available, I must re-download all of it rather than merging changes. It'd be nice if there was an apt-aware way to grab a source package from version control. Is there? |
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| 23:18.58 | orzo | And if not apt-aware, perhaps just some universal method that applies to official debian packags? |
| 23:19.14 | denysonique | orzo, the source is usually stored in a compressed format therefore it is not possible to sync/patch the sources |
| 23:19.49 | denysonique | orzo, from vcs' like git, yes that is possible |
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| 23:22.01 | orzo | If there's an official vcs repository for a package, it'd be handy if that info was attached to the package headers |
| 23:22.13 | themill | orzo: many packages store the packaging information and even the source in a repository (git.debian.org etc). If you're making local changes to packages, do try to convince the maintainer to make them to the package if they are more widely useful, and consider using a patch system |
| 23:22.20 | themill | orzo: it is |
| 23:22.43 | guysoft42 | [reposting] i am trying to boot in to debian bootstrap it using qemu, but grub is giving me an error: "unaligned pointer" any help |
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| 23:23.30 | orzo | you mean Homepage: ? |
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| 23:24.25 | themill | orzo: no, there are VCS-Browser and VCS-{svn,git,cvs,bzr,...} headers |
| 23:25.15 | orzo | does that show in apt-cache show ? |
| 23:25.36 | digit__ | debian-live-helper question: since the manual says config/chroot_local-includes corresponds to the root folder, can i just get away with "cp /* ~/config/chroot_local-includes/" to save me picking out each bit manually, and thus making it closer to as simple as remastersys? |
| 23:25.37 | marsje | I can't find my NIC! I have 2 PCI NICs and 1 built-in on the motherboard, but I only have eth1 and eth2. How do I find eth0? I think I once disabled it for some reason, but not sure how... |
| 23:25.49 | themill | orzo: you're asking questions about source packages, apt-cache showsrc |
| 23:25.55 | orzo | oh |
| 23:26.16 | themill | orzo: see also "debcheckout" from the devscripts package |
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| 23:29.30 | Daskreech | Hello I'm trying to install Lenny with netinst Cd and it reaches step 3 (Mount the CDrom) and fails |
| 23:29.32 | marsje | found this in kern messages: udev: renamed network interface eth0 to eth2 |
| 23:29.45 | Kuifje111 | is it possible to run without kernel? |
| 23:29.50 | Daskreech | Anysteps to troubleshooting this? It's a SATA DVD burner |
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| 23:30.13 | Kuifje111 | how do I find where my kernel is? |
| 23:30.45 | careta | hey guys |
| 23:30.57 | careta | when i do apt-build source package, where does the package source go? |
| 23:31.00 | Daskreech | Kuifje111: It's in /boot |
| 23:31.08 | Kuifje111 | Dakreeech: it isnt. |
| 23:31.15 | Kuifje111 | ./boot is empty! |
| 23:31.23 | Daskreech | careta: Likely /usr/source or /var/something/source |
| 23:31.40 | isfranc | yes you can boot whit no kernel, but in other dimension :P |
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| 23:32.12 | themill | Kuifje111: what's the output of "cat /proc/version" |
| 23:32.32 | Kuifje111 | Linux version 2.6.33.3 (kelly@speedy) (gcc version 4.4.3 (Sourcery G++ Lite er) ) #2 PREEMPT Tue Apr 27 15:07:28 MDT 2010 |
| 23:33.01 | jordanm | ,kernels |
| 23:33.02 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.33-2-686 (2.6.33-1~experimental.5); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-12); squeeze: 2.6.32-3-686 (2.6.32-9); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.4-686 (2.6.32-11~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-21lenny4); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
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| 23:33.23 | Kuifje111 | shit doesnt make sense. |
| 23:33.24 | themill | Kuifje111: is this a VPS running on xen or something? |
| 23:33.37 | Kuifje111 | no, it's an arm based cpu |
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| 23:33.59 | orzo | is there a way to force --download-only install to go through inspite of dependency problems? |
| 23:34.32 | Daskreech | orzo: download-only for some reason doesn't install. it only downloads |
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| 23:34.55 | nvz | any suggestions on python2.6 in lenny? simple sid backport perhaps? |
| 23:34.57 | orzo | Daskreech: I know, but it wont even download for me in this case because the package cannot be installed due to missing depends... |
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| 23:35.25 | Daskreech | orzo: tried a --nodeps ? |
| 23:35.38 | jordanm | !tell orzo about bat |
| 23:35.58 | themill | nvz: definitely not simple. Just don't go there. Use a squeeze chroot (or /opt and hope you don't need anything that's not in stdlib) |
| 23:37.29 | nvz | themill: do you know that its at least working in squeeze, dpkg suggests there is still much work to be done |
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| 23:38.24 | nvz | themill: I'm sure I could work around python 2.5 for what I'm doing but when I considered experimenting with various features like multiprocessing and such I realized they are not available in 2.5 |
| 23:38.39 | themill | nvz: mostly working in squeeze. Should become default python in squeeze RSN (see today's post to d-d-a) |
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| 23:40.28 | Daskreech | HOw can I mount the CDrom drive on a netinst ? |
| 23:40.48 | nvz | what I am doing though is essentially a asynchronus download manager of sorts.. and considering my systems are a single core AMD64 and a hyperthreaded intel atom, I could probably use threadding rather than multiprocessing and it wouldn't make one damn bit of difference if I understand correctly? |
| 23:41.10 | nvz | threading is way easier to implement thats for sure |
| 23:41.52 | CoJaBo-Aztec | somehow I got it to work |
| 23:42.16 | CoJaBo-Aztec | Ive probably hosed the package system, but at least it works.. lol |
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| 23:42.33 | Daskreech | doesn't understand the install sequence :) |
| 23:42.39 | nvz | the app could be handing up to 14 files per job but would only be actively downloading 3-6 of them at a time.. haven't decided yet on the number I think the server will allow up to 6 but that doesn't nessicarily mean I need to have that many going at once |
| 23:43.18 | Daskreech | 1) mount the CD 2) read the files to show the installer 3) get information from the user 4) mount the cd 5) complain there is no CD in the drive |
| 23:43.22 | nvz | migrates to #python |
| 23:43.30 | CoJaBo-Aztec | Ok, its still broken. |
| 23:43.59 | CoJaBo-Aztec | continues with ubuntu install :/ |
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| 23:44.30 | denysonique | Daskreech, what is the problem exactly? |
| 23:44.43 | denysonique | as I don't understand the above list |
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| 23:45.47 | Daskreech | denysonique: installing from the netinst CD and part way through it says it needs to mount the CDrom please insert the CD in the drive |
| 23:46.10 | Daskreech | Which is funny since it's reading the error message and all the install routine from off the CD |
| 23:46.25 | denysonique | well what is the output of mount? |
| 23:46.32 | Daskreech | It's a new SATA DVD Burner so I don't know if that's the issue |
| 23:46.38 | Daskreech | It says missing arguments |
| 23:46.47 | Daskreech | oh you mean Mount without any arguments? |
| 23:46.57 | Daskreech | proc etc |
| 23:47.00 | denysonique | it could be |
| 23:47.05 | denysonique | yes without |
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| 23:47.19 | Daskreech | it has / and two fake file systems |
| 23:47.34 | Daskreech | virtual file systems I should say |
| 23:47.46 | denysonique | it seems that initrd fails with mounting the cdrom or something |
| 23:48.03 | Daskreech | yep but I can't even manually mount it |
| 23:48.08 | denysonique | possible a problem with kernel driver |
| 23:48.40 | denysonique | Daskreech, do you have the drive when you ls /dev/sd or hd |
| 23:48.48 | Daskreech | could that be resolved post install? |
| 23:48.54 | denysonique | post install? |
| 23:49.04 | Daskreech | denysonique: It generate a /dev/cdrom and dvd |
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| 23:49.24 | Daskreech | denysonique: if I pull the box apart and put in an old CD-rom drive and install from that |
| 23:49.27 | denysonique | okay, what is the exact error when you mount /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom |
| 23:49.31 | denysonique | make /mnt/cdrom first |
| 23:49.33 | Daskreech | then put back in the DVD drive |
| 23:49.55 | Daskreech | denysonique: 1/2 a second I just did that before I rebooted let me do it again |
| 23:49.58 | denysonique | Daskreech, that is the fastest solution, if it will not work afterwords |
| 23:50.09 | denysonique | then you will have to resolve it |
| 23:50.22 | denysonique | for now enjoy your instalation from the old drive |
| 23:51.40 | Daskreech | denysonique: mount /dev/cdrom (or cdrw) on /mnt/cdrom failed: Invalid Argument |
| 23:51.57 | denysonique | what does dmesg say? |
| 23:52.13 | Daskreech | looking from something in particular ? |
| 23:52.35 | Daskreech | It's ash so I have no scrollback or pager |
| 23:53.16 | Daskreech | Wait I wonder if more is installed |
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| 23:53.53 | denysonique | shift+page up |
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| 23:54.46 | tuv | looking for a network monitoring tool. i'm setting up a new network, so i don't have to worry about any compatibility issues. promising options: zenoss, munin+monit, zabbix. thoughts/recommendations? |
| 23:55.08 | Daskreech | denysonique: Doesn't work. More is installed though |
| 23:55.25 | Daskreech | I have a lot of errors "bread failed" and tried to read past the end of the device |
| 23:55.44 | denysonique | maybe cd is corrupted, have you checksumed it? |
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| 23:57.58 | Daskreech | denysonique: yes |
| 23:58.15 | denysonique | try booting using the other cd drive |
| 23:58.15 | Daskreech | denysonique: Can't do a live verify of the cd since it can't mount |
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| 23:58.35 | denysonique | its a driver issue |
| 23:58.47 | Daskreech | denysonique: ok take about 10 minutes to tear the box apart |
| 23:59.28 | Daskreech | A cd drive not having a driver never thought I'd see the day |
