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| 00:04.40 | djura-san | im off. have anice chat people :) |
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| 00:12.36 | randomuser | i'm trying to install xp pro 64 on a vm, and its complaining about not having apic. any suggestions? |
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| 00:13.22 | jhutchins_lt | randomuser: Use the noapic flag. |
| 00:13.31 | jhutchins_lt | randomuser: Oh wait, that doesn't work with windows. |
| 00:13.50 | jhutchins_lt | randomuser: It may be that your vm is not fully 64b compatible. |
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| 00:20.07 | randomuser | that sucks. |
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| 00:21.10 | Cyberrunner | moin moin |
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| 00:23.30 | Cyberrunner | ich bräuchte mal hilfe :( |
| 00:23.32 | stealth- | the instructions for setting up splashy here: http://splashy.alioth.debian.org/wiki/installation , it tells me to add the debian unstable respritory. That's not going to force my whole system into unstable, is it? Because I don't want that to happen. |
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| 00:27.15 | sebas891 | luuks and jordanm : many thanks for the clue! it's working. |
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| 00:52.19 | adub | how can i find out what /dev my usb thumb drive is |
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| 00:53.07 | adub | hi all |
| 00:53.09 | \amethyst | adub: /dev/disk/by-id/usb-* |
| 00:53.12 | aiux | dmesg | tail |
| 00:53.50 | adub | thanks i will try |
| 00:56.19 | adub | wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sdb, missing codepage or helper program, or other error In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try dmesg | tail or so |
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| 00:56.52 | spersaud | what program can I use to scan documents ? |
| 00:56.56 | spersaud | or pictures |
| 00:57.12 | papabaer | gimp |
| 00:57.52 | frostschutz | scanimage, xsane, gimp, ... |
| 00:58.46 | adub | xsane |
| 00:58.49 | Kuifje111 | how do I check my HDD for errors. May 9 02:49:47 debian kernel: [ 3743.940265] end_request: I/O error, dev sda, sector 211861327 |
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| 00:58.54 | adub | or sane if your hardcore |
| 00:58.55 | adub | :) |
| 00:59.16 | spersaud | frostschutz: I have an hp officejet j4500 I use the hplip driver to print .. scanning should be supported right ? |
| 00:59.35 | jordanm | Kuifje111: fsck to check filesystem. if your BIOS supports smart, your can use smartmontools |
| 01:00.11 | Kuifje111 | jordanm: how do I unmount a device if its busy? |
| 01:00.11 | spersaud | xsane says no devices found :( |
| 01:00.50 | frostschutz | dunno, I despise hp printers ;D) |
| 01:01.05 | aiux | \amethyst, ones compiled the kernel that 'qspan_pci.c' ( /arch/ppc/kernel/qspan_pci.c) will become a driver ? |
| 01:01.29 | jordanm | hp printers are usually easy to get going in linux. most of their printers are supported by hplip-cups |
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| 01:01.35 | spersaud | frostschutz: :) I hear you I have an okidata laser but this one sucks and I figure I can use the scanner to scan some old pics |
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| 01:14.21 | adub | how do i clear up all mess from mounted drives |
| 01:14.25 | adub | like clear my mounts |
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| 01:15.22 | aiux | adub, you are running debian ? |
| 01:15.28 | adub | yes |
| 01:16.04 | adub | just curious how to clear up all mounts like i have mounted and umounted a lot |
| 01:17.04 | aiux | you just answer at your question |
| 01:17.17 | adub | i know i umount |
| 01:17.24 | adub | is there a way to umount all drives at once |
| 01:17.37 | adub | that were mounted like i dont tihnk they are umounting cleanly |
| 01:17.45 | adub | b/c it keeps saying device is busy on all umounts |
| 01:17.47 | boboysdadda | how do i set my laptop to suspend to ram instead of just locking when i close the screen |
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| 01:18.49 | adub | well all but my hard drive |
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| 01:19.41 | tbsaunde | hey, I saw what dpkg said, but does anybody here have experience with skype on amd64? |
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| 01:22.30 | jordanm | Kuifje111: you can't unmount a drive that is in use |
| 01:22.54 | jordanm | Kuifje111: if it is a drive that is needed for operation, see the fsck manpage for running it at boot |
| 01:24.48 | Kuifje111 | jordanm: im running fsck /dev/sda1 at the mo.. its a 1tb drive with 900 gb. how long would it approximately take? im at Pass 1: Checking inodes, blocks, and sizes now. |
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| 01:26.12 | jordanm | Kuifje111: thats likely dependant on disk performance. |
| 01:26.40 | Kuifje111 | just give me a rough indication |
| 01:26.52 | Kuifje111 | 1 hour, 5 hours, 10 hours? |
| 01:27.26 | aiux | 20-30 min |
| 01:27.44 | Kuifje111 | it's been running from give or take 3 am |
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| 01:28.18 | frostschutz | Kuifje111: if you suspect that the disk is bad, fsck is a bad idea |
| 01:28.22 | jordanm | are there errors? |
| 01:28.39 | Kuifje111 | Pass 1: Checking inodes, blocks, and sizes |
| 01:28.42 | Kuifje111 | thats all it says |
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| 01:28.58 | frostschutz | check dmesg |
| 01:29.06 | Kuifje111 | May 9 02:49:47 debian kernel: [ 3743.940265] end_request: I/O error, dev sda, sector 211861327 |
| 01:29.06 | Kuifje111 | May 9 02:49:52 debian kernel: [ 3749.018139] end_request: I/O error, dev sda, sector 211861487 |
| 01:29.14 | Kuifje111 | thats in syslog |
| 01:29.29 | Kuifje111 | is that hardware or software? |
| 01:29.53 | aiux | bed sector 211861327 hardware |
| 01:29.58 | aiux | bad* |
| 01:30.05 | Kuifje111 | ok. |
| 01:30.10 | Kuifje111 | then i'll end fsck |
| 01:30.25 | Kuifje111 | because it'll only make things worse then |
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| 01:30.53 | frostschutz | fsck can't fix hardware errors, and it's likely to break the filesystem even more if writes fail |
| 01:31.16 | Kuifje111 | how do i check for bad sectors? |
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| 01:31.59 | frostschutz | Kuifje111: before that, do you need the data on that disk? if so you should back it up now... |
| 01:32.00 | jordanm | badblocks? |
| 01:32.24 | frostschutz | first smart, then badblocks... not much point in badblocks if smart already knows about bad blocks ;) |
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| 01:33.21 | jordanm | smart requires bios support |
| 01:34.09 | Kuifje111 | i checked the smart on my win pc and it was ok it said |
| 01:34.24 | Kuifje111 | but I ran a quick test and it gave me a error while the test was running |
| 01:34.33 | Kuifje111 | Test Error Code: 06-Quick Test on drive 4 did not complete! Status code = 07 (Failed read test element), Failure Checkpoint = 97 (Unknown Test) SMART self-test did not complete on drive 4! |
| 01:34.52 | frostschutz | why use windows for that? dont smartmontools / smartctl work? |
| 01:35.08 | frostschutz | and if that test fails then you can scrap the drive ;) |
| 01:35.19 | Kuifje111 | ok |
| 01:35.35 | Kuifje111 | unfortunately i dont have space to do a backup of the data. |
| 01:37.19 | aiux | upload data to youtube .. |
| 01:38.21 | Kuifje111 | haha, sure. |
| 01:38.28 | Kuifje111 | its only 900 gb. |
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| 01:38.39 | Kuifje111 | aka a ton warez |
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| 01:44.09 | Kuifje111 | is it possible my bricked hdd also caused high cpu load? |
| 01:45.04 | aiux | sure it try to access the hard , harder .. |
| 01:46.17 | Kuifje111 | that'd be good news. |
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| 01:52.53 | Triskel | hello |
| 01:53.03 | Triskel | somebody can help me to find what process |
| 01:53.10 | Triskel | has crashed a server ? |
| 01:53.23 | Triskel | in which log i have to search ? |
| 01:53.54 | jordanm | full crashes can be difficult because failure can occur before anything is logged |
| 01:54.17 | jordanm | in /var/log/messages and /var/log/syslog also looking at current dmesg won't hurt |
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| 01:55.21 | Triskel | its not a real 'crash' |
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| 01:55.48 | Triskel | a process eated all CPU ram & swap until i boot the server |
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| 01:59.07 | jordanm | Triskel: watch htop when you boot it again |
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| 02:00.36 | Triskel | after boot all is clean |
| 02:00.57 | Triskel | its the second time in the month |
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| 02:02.20 | Bushmills | public server? |
| 02:02.40 | Triskel | yep |
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| 02:02.59 | Bushmills | running something funny like for example php? |
| 02:03.13 | Triskel | running a lot of shit |
| 02:03.28 | Bushmills | limit the number of concurrent connections to the http server |
| 02:04.30 | Triskel | you think its a flood ? |
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| 02:04.58 | Bushmills | i had a similar case, and found it to be a weekly connection flood |
| 02:05.25 | Bushmills | i found by saving a ps aux per minute, round robin fashion. |
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| 02:06.15 | jordanm | you can use bootlogd for nice graphs |
| 02:06.38 | Bushmills | except, when you boot, the problem doesn't show |
| 02:06.40 | jordanm | set cron jobs for it make a 5min log once a hour |
| 02:06.58 | jordanm | Bushmills: it can be used to track a single application or query the system for a given time |
| 02:07.35 | brasilino | Hi! does anybody uses debian lenny to develop mit kerberos enabled applications ? At my lenny box some include files are missing. And I can't find it anywere |
| 02:07.40 | Bushmills | ok. in that case, web server may be a hint, a possiblity. so knowing what to look for already |
| 02:07.55 | brasilino | I had also used packages.debian.org |
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| 02:08.18 | Triskel | May 9 02:25:33 ppp-88-145 sm-mta[3630]: rejecting connections on daemon MTA-v4: load average: 106 |
| 02:08.21 | Bushmills | in te written files i found the number of apache threads exploding |
| 02:08.38 | Bushmills | could then trace it down to a single url |
| 02:09.07 | jordanm | Bushmills: sorry, I was getting bootlogd and bootchartd mixed up. |
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| 02:09.17 | jordanm | bootchartd has the functionality I was just speaking of |
| 02:09.58 | Triskel | bush, jord |
| 02:10.20 | Triskel | i've sent u the minute before syslog stopped to log |
| 02:11.05 | brasilino | man.. that's a real problem |
| 02:11.30 | Triskel | diagnotistic, doctors ? :) |
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| 02:15.07 | mcl0vin | howdy folks |
| 02:15.18 | jordanm | Triskel: sm-mta, is that sendmail? |
| 02:15.41 | mcl0vin | just getting into wifi world, where do i setup my ESSID and key from CLI |
| 02:15.59 | jordanm | mcl0vin: iwconfig |
| 02:16.02 | Triskel | i dont know jordanm |
| 02:16.17 | mcl0vin | when i do iwconfig it shows wjan0 |
| 02:16.25 | mcl0vin | *wlan0 |
| 02:16.32 | Triskel | what does represent sm-mta in the log ? a process ? |
| 02:16.39 | jordanm | Triskel: you don't know if your running sendmail? |
| 02:17.01 | Triskel | i run it |
| 02:17.41 | Triskel | root 3975 0.0 0.2 8792 2068 ? Ss 03:22 0:00 sendmail: MTA: accepting connections |
| 02:17.51 | mcl0vin | jordanm: it think all what i need to do is provide the AP info |
| 02:17.59 | Triskel | yep, sm-mta seems to be sendmail |
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| 02:18.14 | Triskel | so we have the source of the pb ?:) |
| 02:18.28 | jordanm | Triskel: are you an open relay? |
| 02:18.29 | mcl0vin | jordanm: but /etc/network/interfaces doesn't show it there |
| 02:18.58 | jordanm | mcl0vin: doesn't show what? |
| 02:19.25 | mcl0vin | jordanm: it doesn't show my wlan0 |
| 02:19.48 | jordanm | mcl0vin: well, it wouldn't unless you put it there. does it show in ifconfig -a? |
| 02:20.08 | Triskel | mmmh, i don't think jordanm , i dont hope |
| 02:20.11 | Triskel | its default config |
| 02:20.26 | jordanm | Triskel: http://www.abuse.net/relay.html |
| 02:20.58 | mcl0vin | jordanm: yes it does, as well as in iwconfig |
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| 02:21.10 | jordanm | mcl0vin: does iwlist work? |
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| 02:22.19 | Triskel | All tests performed, no relays accepted. |
| 02:22.46 | mcl0vin | jordanm: yes it shows my AP on cell 01 |
| 02:22.55 | mcl0vin | jordanm: now how do i connect it |
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| 02:23.04 | jordanm | Triskel: well, it appears your sendmail server is under heavy load |
| 02:24.05 | jordanm | mcl0vin: its much better to do wireless configuration in a gui. but if you have to iwconfig essid 'foo' key 'foo' |
| 02:25.06 | mcl0vin | jordanm: on the command above i don't see which interface |
| 02:25.36 | jordanm | mcl0vin: sorry |
| 02:25.48 | jordanm | mcl0vin: iwconfig wlan0 essid ... |
| 02:26.00 | jordanm | mcl0vin: man iwconfig |
| 02:26.21 | jordanm | mcl0vin: also likely some stuff in /usr/share/doc/wireless-tools/* |
| 02:27.35 | Triskel | mmmh i have a file /var/lib/sendmail/dead.letter , 27 mo from 2 april to know |
| 02:27.48 | Triskel | it seems be system generated mails |
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| 02:58.39 | octocpp | if you can use kerberos without dns, how can you resolve names on your network? how does the client know that octoserver.octorealm is 192.168.1.149 ? |
| 02:58.52 | octocpp | all of the boxes have octorealm as the domain, but i dont actually have a dns server running on the netowrk, not that i know of anyway lol ? |
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| 03:29.16 | Caelum | anyone have libcompizconfig0 0.8.4-1 or older? |
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| 03:31.33 | epsilon | lenny has 0.7.6 |
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| 03:32.00 | ham5 | wish they would fix the resize accross multiple monitors |
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| 03:32.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | !fix the resize accross multiple monitors |
| 03:32.36 | dpkg | takes the resize accross multiple monitors to the vet for a "special" visit. |
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| 03:46.54 | cyberninja | how come debian developers cant copy packages back off of ubuntu... the ones that debian couldnt be bothered to fix |
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| 03:47.20 | cyberninja | ubuntu gona and cloned debian anyway so whats whats the matter with copying their work back |
| 03:47.42 | cyberninja | i wish nvidia-glx was more updated in debian and compiz |
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| 03:54.35 | ham5 | pretty sure unstable is uptodate ;) |
| 03:57.50 | wols | cyberninja: is there a newer nvdia driver that 190 now? |
| 03:58.08 | cyberninja | 195.36.24 |
| 03:58.19 | wols | ,versions nvidia-glx |
| 03:58.20 | judd | nvidia-glx -- etch/non-free: 1.0.8776-4; lenny/non-free: 173.14.09-5; squeeze/non-free: 173.14.09-5; sid/non-free: 190.53-4 |
| 03:58.41 | ham5 | o my bad |
| 03:59.08 | wols | debian doesn't take either nvidia drivers or compiz from ubuntu. it only takes stuff from them they made, like this fancy software center or what's it called |
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| 04:00.33 | cyberninja | i did try apt-get -t lenny install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings and when i loaded kdm the screen goes all fuzzy? |
| 04:00.45 | cyberninja | im runnin sid btw |
| 04:01.17 | nsadmin | cyberninja: probably debian develppers feel ubuntu's dev path is not compatible with debian... having said that, ubuntu devs -could- start contributing back to debian, and I think some do |
| 04:02.55 | nsadmin | but for a debian dev to take a ubuntu package back after it's been thru sid, out to ubuntu to have done who knows what and back again would probably introduce more bugs in debian that would likely involve other packages as well |
| 04:03.56 | nsadmin | bottom line: if ubuntu devs want to contribute back to debian, they know how |
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| 04:13.01 | Appetite | I've got a simple question here: I'm running a python script with Parallel Python to take advantage of all my cores, i've killed all other unecessary programs, and am attempting to run at 100% on all cores |
| 04:13.19 | Appetite | Currently, it's only getting around 50% on each, spiking at 60% (mem is only at 25% so that isn't the issue) |
| 04:13.39 | Appetite | I'm wondering why it isn't going up to 100%, even after i have used the nice command |
| 04:14.09 | Appetite | (there SHOULDN't be a bottleneck, as it's counting all the chars and the frequency of each and analysing it ina dir, currently it's being run on 1gb of text files) |
| 04:14.13 | nsadmin | python is infinitely efficient? |
| 04:14.45 | Appetite | nsadmin: that's not what i'm saying, i'm saying that it should be pushing CPU usage up as high as it can...that should be the fact with any program/language, yes? |
| 04:15.13 | nsadmin | as usage percentage approaches 100%, python gets more efficent? |
| 04:15.20 | Appetite | what? |
| 04:15.40 | Appetite | if it's calculating stuff, the more CPU, the faster the processing should go, no? |
| 04:15.43 | aburch | Appetite: Reading files might be an IO bottleneck. |
| 04:15.55 | Appetite | aburch: possibly...is there a way to test this? |
| 04:16.09 | Vasistha | Appetite: memory is extremely slow, too. The processor might get in 200 or 300 cycles between requesting data from memory and receiving it |
| 04:16.22 | Vasistha | ...if it's not in one of the caches, that is |
| 04:16.37 | aburch | Appetite: Do something that does not involve IO (e.g. some calculation) and try if you can reach 100% then. |
| 04:16.46 | wols | Appetite: last I checked python still has a GIL, something PP can't ignore |
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| 04:17.10 | Appetite | aburch: yeah, i can, so the disk IO is the bottleneck? that is lame, as i'm at 7200rpm SATA 3gb/s atm |
| 04:17.13 | Appetite | so i dont know how that possible |
| 04:17.19 | nsadmin | so fetching an instruction from ram is that slow? |
| 04:17.22 | Appetite | wols: GIL? |
| 04:17.25 | wols | Appetite: I suggest you ask in #python btw. much more likely to get a good answer there |
| 04:17.30 | aburch | Appetite: RAM is slow too. |
| 04:17.43 | wols | Global Interpreter Lock. the reason (sorta) python is only single threaded |
| 04:17.48 | Appetite | wols: well it was kind of a both answer...relating to why a process can't get 100%, and then the python side as to why it specifically wont work |
| 04:18.02 | Appetite | wols: but why does the prevent 100% cpu usage? |
| 04:18.12 | nsadmin | how can the cpu do cycles if ram access is so slow? |
| 04:18.17 | wols | cause core A waits on core B to give up the GIL |
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| 04:18.33 | wols | so core a does nothing and core b runs at 100% -> 50% over all |
| 04:18.39 | Appetite | wols: AH i get what you are saying...is there a way around this, or just rewrite it in another language? |
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| 04:19.10 | Appetite | it's only like 20 lines of python code, so not much more in another language, but PP is treating me nicely =\ |
| 04:19.28 | wols | write it in C for example. CPython has the GIL and the way you write multithreaded programs is basically to start several python interpreters |
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| 04:19.55 | wols | of course C won't help you if it'S a I/O bottleneck. |
| 04:20.10 | Appetite | wols: i think it is what you said, because each processor is hovering at ~50% |
| 04:20.21 | Vasistha | nsadmin: There's this video you should watch on this subject ... I'll try and find the link ... but yes, ram is *really* slow, and that's why there's three levels of caching. |
| 04:20.52 | Appetite | wols: may i pm you? |
| 04:20.55 | wols | without caching, a modern cpu waits a few hundred cycles for RAM access. there is a reason intel invented HT |
| 04:21.15 | wols | Appetite: sure |
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| 04:27.11 | Vasistha | nsadmin: my jaw dropped when I watched this. It radically changed my notions of how to write good code. http://slashdot.org/story/10/01/14/239229/Cliff-Clicks-Crash-Course-In-Modern-Hardware |
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| 04:28.37 | Vasistha | I have a friend who's a senior citizen, who has asked me to install linux on her 10-year-old laptop. Any user-friendly lightweight DM / DE recommendations? |
| 04:29.09 | nsadmin | why does she want linux? |
| 04:30.14 | Vasistha | well, she wanted me to get the computer up and running; I'm not keen on installing windows, and she's not keen on the security risks (viruses, etc) from running window |
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| 04:30.16 | Vasistha | s |
| 04:30.42 | epsilon | whats the spec of that laptop? |
| 04:30.58 | Vasistha | debian will take longer to start up than win 98, but it will still be working in 2 years whereas windows will be crippled with malware. |
| 04:31.18 | nsadmin | in 2 days |
| 04:31.22 | Vasistha | I think it's about 500 MHz, it's got 64 MB built in and I'm going to add another 128 MB to give it 192 RAM |
| 04:31.38 | nsadmin | which would max it out |
| 04:31.39 | nsadmin | ? |
| 04:31.41 | Vasistha | yeah |
| 04:31.47 | epsilon | no much |
| 04:31.55 | Vasistha | no, she shouldn't be running kde. |
| 04:31.56 | epsilon | that's the spec for woody |
| 04:32.04 | nsadmin | that's the minimum necessary to install |
| 04:32.13 | piukeman | I have a problem with vmware ... I would like to disable the services that runs on start up... any idea how |
| 04:32.14 | Vasistha | but I was using KDE on a lappy with 192 MB until 2 years ago |
| 04:32.17 | nsadmin | that's an idea |
| 04:32.19 | Vasistha | ...with etch |
| 04:32.41 | nsadmin | a 500mhz laptop?? |
| 04:32.48 | Vasistha | no, mine was 333 MHz |
| 04:33.19 | epsilon | getting new/used one for few hundred Euro/USD is not an option? |
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| 04:33.40 | Vasistha | she doesn't have much money |
| 04:33.42 | epsilon | cause with 500MHz, using Browser with modern websites is not fun |
| 04:34.02 | epsilon | well, take some very basic desktop |
| 04:34.06 | Vasistha | that *is* true. I should point that out to her |
| 04:34.36 | Vasistha | But I think she wants it primarily for writing rather than browsing. And I warned her she wouldn't be able to watch videos on it |
| 04:35.14 | macrobat | LXDE is easy to use |
| 04:36.14 | epsilon | na, mpeg/xvid/DVD will run |
| 04:36.36 | Vasistha | macrobat: yeah? That's exactly the kind of recommendation I was looking for. Thanks much. |
| 04:36.42 | piukeman | any help with vmware I would like to free some memory and cpu usage |
| 04:36.44 | Vasistha | (any other opinions? :) |
| 04:37.16 | Vasistha | piukeman: #vmware may be a better place to ask? |
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| 04:37.56 | piukeman | ok thanks |
| 04:38.00 | epsilon | apt-cache search window manager <- pick one |
| 04:38.07 | wols | epsilon: depends. on a P3 500 it might, on a K6-2 500 it will not. and flash for browsing is basically out |
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| 04:38.28 | epsilon | ok, I had P2-450 |
| 04:38.51 | epsilon | DVD was possible from P2-300 (IIRC) |
| 04:39.05 | macrobat | piukeman: i dont know which service(s) use the most resources. you can use "bum" to disable some of them |
| 04:39.06 | wols | epsilon: I had mpeg4 running on a p2-233. it worked, but only with vlc... |
| 04:39.26 | wols | epsilon: no. only with hardware acceleration from videocards :) |
| 04:39.29 | epsilon | sounds familier |
| 04:40.55 | piukeman | macrobat, I mean the service of Virtual machine monitor... and other services that vmware run at start up |
| 04:40.55 | piukeman | thanks anyway |
| 04:41.26 | macrobat | ok |
| 04:42.01 | wols | you are trying to run VMs on a RAM constrained machine? |
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| 04:49.52 | DW_Ya_DiqG | wanna c somethin fucced up lol dont send pics to ur bf if ur gonna do him dirty lol http://www.paybackNikki.in/?id=1053lbj6dbtpx2w0nwezzclymagipl |
| 04:50.53 | Vasistha | !ops DW_Ya_DiqG spamming |
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| 04:50.53 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: vasistha complains about: DW_Ya_DiqG spamming |
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| 04:51.13 | Vasistha | mentor: he's gone :P |
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| 04:51.32 | Vasistha | I used to know where to find the freenode ops to have someone kicked off the server |
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| 04:51.38 | mentor | Yeah, but I can still ban him |
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| 04:51.54 | mentor | Vasistha: Thanks |
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| 04:54.22 | p01 | guys, is there any way to convert a netinstall iso image to .img? i'm trying to install squeeze to the eeepc from sd card. |
| 04:54.53 | dondelelcaro | p01: you don't need to; just download the hdimage, and shove the netinst iso on it |
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| 04:55.03 | dondelelcaro | p01: the install guide explains how to go about it |
| 04:55.25 | dondelelcaro | (sd card instructions are the same as the usb key instructions, assuming your computer can boot off of them) |
| 04:55.38 | p01 | butyes it can. |
| 04:55.48 | p01 | reading. |
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| 05:12.43 | mmnicolas | ok you guys are gonna think im crazy |
| 05:13.12 | mmnicolas | my girlfriend runs a freshly installed lenny, and as usual she continued to spend her time on facebook |
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| 05:13.48 | mmnicolas | tonight, while receiving a chat from a friend on facebook, her hard-drive began to make a rattling noise really like a dying hard drive |
| 05:14.14 | Vasistha | mmnicolas: if her hard drive is dying is probably doesn't have anything to do with facebook. |
| 05:14.27 | mmnicolas | i then, booting in a live environment and used partimage to back up her partition |
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| 05:14.42 | mmnicolas | when i rebooted a noticed the hard drive was not making any noise at all |
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| 05:15.09 | high5 | how do you know it was the hdd? |
| 05:15.24 | mmnicolas | then she reopened facebook and everything was fine, until she received another chat conversation |
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| 05:15.52 | mmnicolas | high5: speakears are turned off, videocard is fanless... |
| 05:16.19 | Vasistha | mmnicolas: maybe run a non-destructive write-testing badblocks |
| 05:16.20 | mmnicolas | the weird thing is, when it happens, moving the cursor seems to affect the noise |
| 05:16.40 | high5 | java or flash crap? |
| 05:16.54 | mmnicolas | i guess its java crap |
| 05:17.40 | high5 | stay away from facebook |
| 05:17.42 | mmnicolas | and when it happenned her harddrive activity led was blinking like crazy |
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| 05:18.31 | mmnicolas | i then tried doing something harddrive intensive such as installing openoffice.org-draw |
| 05:18.50 | mmnicolas | blinking led was there, but that weird noise wasnt |
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| 05:20.52 | Vasistha | mmnicolas: maybe there is a particular sector of the drive having trouble |
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| 05:21.48 | mmnicolas | good points, ill try to diagnose it further |
| 05:22.34 | nsadmin | ain't NO one gonna tell a female to stay away from facebook :) |
| 05:22.41 | mmnicolas | hehe |
| 05:22.59 | Vasistha | mmnicolas: man badblocks, see badblocks -n |
| 05:23.02 | nsadmin | I mean what planet are you from anyway? L:) |
| 05:23.02 | mentor | mmmmhm |
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| 05:24.09 | mentor | mmnicolas: It could be caused by seeking heavy activity? |
| 05:24.16 | nsadmin | anyway, I have java turned off, facebook works fine |
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| 05:25.17 | mmnicolas | what could it be seeking so heavily running a chat |
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| 05:25.30 | mentor | Java in general is quite memory intensive |
| 05:25.33 | mentor | er |
| 05:25.43 | mentor | memory requiring |
| 05:25.54 | mentor | memory hungry! |
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| 05:26.24 | mentor | This usually ends up with swap thrashing |
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| 05:27.37 | jimbo2000 | Hello good people |
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| 05:32.29 | kwame | hi, which deb package provides the lh_config command? |
| 05:32.42 | kwame | apt-cache search lh_config gives me nothing |
| 05:33.03 | wols | !tell kwame about search |
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| 05:34.58 | kwame | wols: that's the weird thing, lh_config it's supposed to be provided by live-config, but that deb package is already installed |
| 05:35.40 | kwame | wols: http://pastebin.com/xQbdzbPp |
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| 05:36.31 | wols | kwame: see dpkg -L |
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| 05:38.06 | fivre | ideas as to why I wouldn't be able to telnet to port x when not on localhost even though it's listening and iptables allows input with it as the destination? |
| 05:38.26 | kwame | wols: well, I just did a apt-get remove live-helper and apt-get install live-helper and that solved the problem |
| 05:38.27 | wols | fivre: listening how? |
| 05:39.02 | wols | it also can be a not forwarded port on the router |
| 05:39.07 | fivre | netstat -lnp shows that there is indeed something listening on the port |
| 05:39.12 | fivre | and there is no router |
| 05:39.29 | wols | fivre: mre info needed. how is it listening? |
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| 05:40.36 | fivre | on tcp from any foreign address to any local address on port 7777 |
| 05:40.47 | kwame | fivre: pastebin your nestat -luntp |
| 05:41.09 | wols | fivre: what you describe is a iptables rule. nothing about listening on a port |
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| 05:41.53 | Jackson_ | hello, is the "unstable" repo safe? |
| 05:42.01 | valdyn | Jackson_: no |
| 05:42.04 | Jackson_ | I am using stable right now |
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| 05:42.13 | Jackson_ | what are the chances of unstable breaking my system |
| 05:42.14 | Jackson_ | wow |
| 05:42.24 | kevr | HEY |
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| 05:42.26 | kevr | YOU DOUCHE |
| 05:42.30 | kevr | . |
| 05:42.37 | valdyn | Jackson_: 100% |
| 05:42.39 | mentor | Don't feed them |
| 05:42.39 | Vasistha | Jackson_: about 100% |
| 05:42.42 | NoCode | .... |
| 05:42.44 | Jackson_ | :|||||||||| |
| 05:42.50 | Jackson_ | really? |
| 05:42.54 | wols | yes really |
| 05:42.54 | valdyn | !tell Jackson_ -about ask |
| 05:42.57 | Jackson_ | I have used Arch before and it never broke once |
| 05:43.07 | mentor | Jackson_: However, the level of breakage may be small |
| 05:43.21 | Vasistha | !unstable |
| 05:43.21 | dpkg | [unstable] The status of a Debian release when packages can be added to the system at any time that might disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. Not supported here, in general. It's also newspeak for not stable. If you have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't. apt-get install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges (!) See also <testing>, <sid>, <sid faq>, <apt-listbugs>, <apt-listchanges>, <bts>. |
| 05:43.26 | wols | mentor: or big |
| 05:43.36 | NoCode | It also could be huge. ;) |
| 05:43.51 | mentor | necessarily, yes |
| 05:44.07 | Jackson_ | well I used to run pacman -Syu daily on arch for over a year and never once did it break my system |
| 05:44.09 | Jackson_ | am I just lucky? |
| 05:44.13 | Jackson_ | or is debian different |
| 05:44.28 | mentor | Jackson_: define "break your system" |
| 05:44.30 | sauvin | debian stable has never given me grief. |
| 05:44.49 | fivre | wols: it's odd. I can telnet to 7777 fine from localhost, but from elsewhere I just get "Trying host..." with no connection refused |
| 05:44.49 | valdyn | Jackson_: being able to install packages does not mean that your applications *all* work |
| 05:45.08 | mentor | I am running unstable, and I've got 3 patches queued up that fix 3 separate applications being unusable |
| 05:45.09 | fivre | wols: disabling iptables didn't do anything to change it |
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| 05:45.10 | Jackson_ | Debian stable is so old, my mother is in it. Is debian stable only updated if there's a security hole in one of the programs? |
| 05:45.22 | wols | fivre: you disabled iptables how? |
| 05:45.35 | wols | Jackson_: pretty much |
| 05:45.38 | mentor | Jackson_: There are point releases |
| 05:46.15 | fivre | wols: http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/turn-on-turn-off-firewall-in-linux/ following that |
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| 05:46.31 | sauvin | debian stable is, however, exactly what it says it is: stable.' |
| 05:46.39 | valdyn | fivre: your telnet behaviour means that you do indeed have a firewall active in between |
| 05:46.41 | NoCode | hopes Squeeze goes stable soon, but it'll get there when it does. |
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| 05:46.54 | valdyn | fivre: non-firewalled behavious is "connection refused" if its not accepted |
| 05:47.45 | valdyn | fivre: debian has no firewall by default, so disabling it was pointless? |
| 05:48.12 | jorizma | IMO unstable has a bad reputation that isn't warranted at all |
| 05:48.19 | jorizma | if you can handle archlinux you can certainly handle debian unstable |
| 05:48.39 | valdyn | jorizma: if you need to get work done then "handling" is a waste of time |
| 05:48.47 | jorizma | I do get work done |
| 05:48.55 | jorizma | My system never breaks and I love unstable |
| 05:49.01 | jorizma | I use sidux, not stock unstalbe however |
| 05:49.42 | valdyn | sidux is probably just as broken as debian/unstable |
| 05:50.27 | thrashold | jorizma: Unstable does have some troubles which are unacceptable in many configurations. For example, Krita in unstable doesn't work at the moment, you could compile it yourself I guess, but that's not a solution :) Still breaks a lot less than, say, Gentoo |
| 05:50.40 | jorizma | sure |
| 05:51.37 | jorizma | but as someone who used to deal with rpms and Redhat5, unstable is a piece of cake |
| 05:51.42 | thrashold | Although apt-get source koffice; [edit control files]; debuild -uc -us isn't thaaat hard |
| 05:51.48 | fivre | valdyn: this machine does have a firewall on |
| 05:52.41 | fivre | but removing all rules or adding -A INPUT -p tcp -m state --state NEW,ESTABLISHED --dport 7777 -j ACCEPT doesn't seem to have any effect |
| 05:53.14 | valdyn | fivre: thats expected |
| 05:53.42 | valdyn | fivre: ( if the firewall is on ) |
| 05:54.02 | valdyn | fivre: removing all rules *AND* running that iptables command might get you going though |
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| 05:55.17 | fivre | valdyn: shouldn't that rule let it pass through though? |
| 05:55.30 | valdyn | fivre: rules are executed in order |
| 05:55.36 | valdyn | fivre: only the first match matters |
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| 05:59.04 | thrashold | Is there something that can pull the depends from debian/control and install them automatically, I'm too lazy to type all that :D |
| 06:00.06 | jorizma | for a package? |
| 06:00.19 | jorizma | apt-get build-dep <srcpackage> |
| 06:00.42 | thrashold | I want to change them before doing it, so from a not-yet package :) |
| 06:01.56 | jorizma | honestly i'd just use build-dep and cut and paste the package list and remove or add things you want manually |
| 06:02.00 | jorizma | but i'm lay |
| 06:02.04 | jorizma | *lazy |
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| 06:02.19 | thrashold | it doesn't print it, because of unsatisfied dependencies :) |
| 06:02.43 | fivre | bleh |
| 06:02.45 | fivre | got it |
| 06:02.57 | fivre | the iptables rules for this machine are a mess |
| 06:03.02 | jorizma | ah, i see |
| 06:03.06 | fivre | I pity whoever inherits it when I leave |
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| 06:03.25 | nsadmin | fivre: why does it need the rules? |
| 06:03.34 | nsadmin | is it a router? |
| 06:05.00 | thrashold | Oh, I made the mistake to use aptitude instead of apt-get by accident :/ |
| 06:06.46 | jorizma | thrashold: try pbuilder maybe? |
| 06:06.57 | jorizma | or pdebuild |
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| 06:08.04 | thrashold | jorizma: Yeah, will use that the next time, I already installed them by hand (and removed half of my packages, because aptitude thought so :D ) |
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| 06:10.26 | jorizma | i don't use aptitude |
| 06:10.44 | jorizma | it is way too eager to remove |
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| 06:30.35 | Azeotrope | Is anyone here using Thunderbird and YPops! or Webmail extension? |
| 06:30.56 | Vasistha | !ask |
| 06:30.56 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 06:33.32 | Bushmills | Azeotrope: http://qa.debian.org/popcon.php |
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| 06:34.03 | Azeotrope | Bushmills: thanks |
| 06:35.03 | Bushmills | urw |
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| 06:42.59 | CQ | hello, I just accidentally installed grub-doc which wants to remove grub-common and grub-pc ... I ^^ |
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| 06:43.23 | CQ | I ^C ed it before it did anything, how can I get grub-doc to not install now? |
| 06:43.25 | simonrvn | !unmarkauto |
| 06:43.25 | dpkg | Is aptitude or apt-get trying to remove packages that it thinks were automatically installed? This happens when you "aptitude install gnome" and then later remove bits of it, the gnome meta-package will be uninstalled and aptitude will try to remove lots more. Fix this by running "aptitude install packagename" or "aptitude unmarkauto packagename" on strategically chosen packages, or reinstall the <metapackage>. |
| 06:44.58 | CQ | simonrvn: it still asks me to run dpkg --configure -a to correct the problem before I can do anything else ... |
| 06:45.06 | simonrvn | so do it |
| 06:45.18 | simonrvn | duh |
| 06:45.19 | CQ | simonrvn: ok, i was afraid that it would then remove grub ... |
| 06:45.46 | simonrvn | well, if it did, you'd install it anyway right? ;) |
| 06:46.13 | CQ | no, it's installed, I just wanted to get grub-doc and didn't realize that it was legacy docs only |
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| 06:47.55 | mentor | Did it go ahead and remove the packages, or did it ask you? |
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| 06:51.07 | CQ | mentor: it asked, I was just too quick in hitting Y and then ctrl-c ed it right away |
| 06:51.14 | mentor | ah |
| 06:51.15 | mentor | k |
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| 06:57.25 | foxmulder | Does anyone currently run Lenny in Virtualbox? |
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| 06:58.10 | wols | !anyone |
| 06:58.10 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 06:58.49 | foxmulder | It's a simple question that requires a simple answer. **rolls eyes** |
| 06:59.12 | wols | it's a stupid question. ask your real one |
| 06:59.21 | Bushmills | "yes" |
| 06:59.29 | Cowclops | we should just say no instead |
| 06:59.29 | Cowclops | lol |
| 06:59.31 | Bushmills | (#statistically very likely) |
| 06:59.40 | foxmulder | What's your problem dude? |
| 06:59.42 | Cowclops | "no. we can't help you. because you haven't asked your question" |
| 06:59.43 | Cowclops | haha |
| 07:00.01 | Cowclops | (i'm making an argument from epistemology, we can't answer what hasn't yet been asked) |
| 07:00.07 | Cowclops | so whats the question |
| 07:00.12 | foxmulder | The question: Does anyone currently run Lenny in Virtualbox? |
| 07:00.18 | ThinkRob | Yes. I do. |
| 07:00.24 | ThinkRob | Now what's your other question? |
| 07:00.34 | Cowclops | i just set it up in microsoft virtual pc, theo ne that comes with win7 xp mode |
| 07:00.38 | foxmulder | ThinkRob, that's all I needed to know. |
| 07:00.43 | ThinkRob | Wait... seriously? |
| 07:00.51 | foxmulder | Yes. |
| 07:00.56 | Cowclops | all you wanted to know, is if somebody does... |
| 07:01.04 | foxmulder | Now that wasn't hard folks now was it! |
| 07:01.06 | wols | !sunday |
| 07:01.06 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 07:01.12 | ThinkRob | You wanted to know if there existed a user that ran the current version of one of the most popular distros in the world under one of the leading VM solutions? |
| 07:01.16 | ThinkRob | Ok. Fair enough. |
| 07:01.35 | foxmulder | Yes. What's the big deal? |
| 07:01.45 | Cowclops | I'll add that while i evnetually got lenny working in ms virtual pc, the install process gets hosed at configuring apt |
| 07:02.02 | Cowclops | so i just skipped that part and installed grub and rebooted |
| 07:02.03 | wols | hosed? |
| 07:02.04 | ThinkRob | Nothing, it's just that when people usually say "Does someone use ____", it's a lead-up to their actual question. |
| 07:02.07 | Cowclops | it freezes. |
| 07:02.38 | ThinkRob | It's really quite rare for someone to simply be asking whether there exists a user who runs a particular piece of software. |
| 07:02.43 | foxmulder | Don't assume. I guess you've all learnt something today. |
| 07:02.44 | Cowclops | So after i rebooted, i discovered this weirdness... from the actual virtual pc window, if i try to apt-get anything the downloads will just continue to fail |
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| 07:03.04 | wols | I had something similar in vbox installing. whenever i used tab or alt+tab. I had to use the host key to leave the VM for example |
| 07:03.10 | Cowclops | (i can keep ctrl-c'ing and restarting the download and EVENTUALLY they do finish but it keeps dying, no matter what apt server i pick) |
| 07:03.10 | ThinkRob | !assumption |
| 07:03.10 | dpkg | somebody said assumption was the mother of all fuckups |
| 07:03.25 | Cowclops | But i figured out after i got sshd installed, if i ssh'ed in via putty, apt-get works fine through that |
| 07:03.28 | ThinkRob | hangs head. |
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| 07:03.41 | Cowclops | i'm sure it has something to do with the way the network works in virtual pc, and it wasn't really designed with running linux |
| 07:03.46 | Cowclops | in mind* |
| 07:04.06 | ThinkRob | Yeah, Virtual PC seems to have a lot of issues w/ Linux. Funny, that... |
| 07:04.14 | wols | yes we assumed you asked a stupid question and you did. note to self: always be wary on sundays in #d |
| 07:04.19 | foxmulder | I run NetBSD and FreeBSD in MVPC 2007 fine. |
| 07:04.19 | Cowclops | Oh yeah. I don't even expect it to work per se |
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| 07:04.42 | Cowclops | I'm just confused that it does work 99.5% but the .5% that doesn't work is "running apt-get directly from the virtual pc console. and it works fine when running from a putty ssh window" |
| 07:04.47 | Cowclops | seems like that shouldn't make any difference |
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| 07:07.17 | simonrvn | Raka: test |
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| 07:10.32 | claudiouss | for a Intel Core i3 computer, should i use debian amd64?? |
| 07:12.07 | Vasistha | claudiouss: yeah |
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| 07:12.21 | claudiouss | thanks vasistha! |
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| 07:40.14 | p01 | does anyone here have an eeepc? (1001p) |
| 07:40.17 | p01 | ) |
| 07:40.31 | wols | p01: ask your real question please |
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| 07:40.59 | p01 | got a problem with ethernet card during busynesscard netinstall. |
| 07:41.33 | wols | yes. you can't use the debian lenny installer. you need a newer kernel |
| 07:41.38 | wols | !tell p01 about kmuto |
| 07:41.51 | p01 | now downloading normal netinstall to try with it. |
| 07:41.55 | p01 | ah. thanks. |
| 07:41.58 | wols | and I strongly suggest you use a netinst or even CD1 installer. /msg dpkg usb install |
| 07:42.42 | p01 | i'm netinstalling squeeze. |
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| 07:43.10 | wols | squeeze should wokr. the atl1/2 drivers should be in there just fine |
| 07:43.31 | wols | so what is exactly your error/problem? |
| 07:44.37 | p01 | it says just that ethernet card not found at step "detect network hardware" |
| 07:44.52 | p01 | i'll try these drivers, ok. thank you. |
| 07:45.00 | wols | go to another terminal and check dmesg for eth |
| 07:45.05 | p01 | ok. |
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| 07:45.19 | wols | IIRC 1001p should be atl2 for a driver |
| 07:45.45 | wols | !atl2 |
| 07:45.45 | dpkg | it has been said that atl2 is a driver for the Atheros L2 Fast Ethernet Adapter, used in some low-cost Asus laptop systems (e.g. Asus Eee PC). To install on Lenny: "aptitude install atl2-modules-$(uname -r) && modprobe atl2". This driver is included in the mainline Linux kernel since 2.6.29. See also <atl1e>. |
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| 07:51.17 | KamusHadenes | hello there |
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| 07:51.56 | KamusHadenes | please, I installed zlibc, zlib-bin, zlib1g and libtrf-tcl, but I still don't have 'zlib' tcl command |
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| 07:58.29 | wols | KamusHadenes: apt-cache search tcl zlib |
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| 07:58.56 | KamusHadenes | libtrf-tcl-dev - Tcl data transformations - development files |
| 07:58.56 | KamusHadenes | libtrf-tcl-doc - Tcl data transformations - development files |
| 07:58.56 | KamusHadenes | libtrf-tcl - Tcl data transformations - runtime library |
| 07:59.02 | KamusHadenes | exactly what I isntalled |
| 07:59.34 | wols | ,versions libtrf-tcl |
| 07:59.36 | judd | libtrf-tcl -- lenny: 2.1.2~20071113-2 |
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| 08:00.16 | KamusHadenes | Versão: 2.1.2~20071113-2 |
| 08:00.24 | mentor | waves |
| 08:01.13 | KamusHadenes | hey there mentor |
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| 08:01.23 | mentor | Hiya |
| 08:01.33 | g-e | Hey People! Is there way to use a wifi network without any gui tools? Some commandline voodoo maybe? |
| 08:01.44 | mentor | KamusHadenes: Unfortunately, I wasn't waving at you ;) |
| 08:01.53 | mentor | g-e: Yes, absolutely |
| 08:02.08 | KamusHadenes | k, sorry |
| 08:02.17 | mentor | KamusHadenes: No need |
| 08:02.17 | g-e | mentor: would you be my mentor and tell me the magic command? |
| 08:02.38 | mentor | g-e: g-e: The wpasupplicant package should contain all the magic and also the glue into the ifupdown system |
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| 08:03.10 | g-e | mentor: great! so now i type what? |
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| 08:04.00 | mentor | g-e: There's documentation in /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/ |
| 08:04.15 | mentor | g-e: Possibly what you might want though is to start wpa_supplicant and then control it with wpa_cli |
| 08:05.02 | g-e | let me try... |
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| 08:07.33 | g-e | looks like this thingy wants a config file |
| 08:07.38 | g-e | wpa_supplicant i mean |
| 08:08.15 | g-e | i thought it should be something like: wpa_supplicant --ssid=my_ssid --password=my_password |
| 08:08.26 | g-e | that would be real nice kiss style |
| 08:08.53 | mentor | g-e: You can use an empty file, I think |
| 08:09.59 | g-e | what is "iwconfig"? that looks very interesting too |
| 08:10.26 | g-e | tries iwconfig wlan0 10.0.0.10 |
| 08:10.29 | g-e | failed :) |
| 08:10.41 | wols | maybe you should read more manpages then? |
| 08:11.37 | g-e | is it possible to get online with iwconfig alone? |
| 08:11.47 | g-e | the manpage of iwconfig looks like it should be |
| 08:11.52 | wols | not on a wpa encrypted wlan |
| 08:12.19 | g-e | damn. its wpa2 indeed. |
| 08:12.46 | g-e | maybe apt-get install network-manager is the better way? |
| 08:13.16 | cahoot | g-e: I'd suggest wicd |
| 08:14.00 | CoJaBo-Aztec | Network manager sucks |
| 08:14.09 | CoJaBo-Aztec | wicd ftw |
| 08:14.53 | g-e | cahoot: its an ubuntu machine (dont beat me for not going to #ubuntu - people over there dont know what a command line is) and network-manager is the default for ubuntu. so maybe its better to us that? |
| 08:15.08 | mentor | NetworkManager is truly single-user single-session Windows-ware |
| 08:15.35 | g-e | mentor: what does that mena? |
| 08:15.57 | g-e | mean i mean |
| 08:15.57 | mentor | Unix based systems are multi-user multi-session systems |
| 08:15.59 | mentor | That is |
| 08:16.23 | mentor | Multiple users are operating the computer through multiple interfaces concurrently |
| 08:16.37 | mentor | and there is a clean distinction between users and administrators |
| 08:16.38 | g-e | mentor: you mean when someone sshs into my machine and does ping www.somewhere.com it will not work if the machine is connected via networ-manager? |
| 08:16.43 | mentor | No |
| 08:17.00 | mentor | However, it will only work if you're logged in |
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| 08:17.12 | g-e | mentor: with no you mean yes, yes? |
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| 08:17.24 | mentor | No |
| 08:17.27 | mentor | With no I mean no |
| 08:17.43 | CoJaBo-Aztec | The Network manager GUIs suffer from "that button is 'just painted on'" syndrome. |
| 08:17.47 | g-e | so someone sshing into my machine WILL be able to ping around the internet? |
| 08:17.49 | CoJaBo-Aztec | :P |
| 08:17.58 | mentor | g-e: If you are logged into a GUI |
| 08:18.00 | wols | !tell g-e about ubuntu |
| 08:18.18 | plediii | mentor: is it not possible to start a login service in single user mode? |
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| 08:18.30 | mentor | plediii: what? |
| 08:18.46 | mentor | plediii: "login service"? |
| 08:19.11 | plediii | just a semantic question I guess. But in single user mode, could you not start sshd and log in remotely, and therefore have multiple users. |
| 08:19.17 | g-e | wols: im not talking about ubuntu. im discussing the philosophical differences of "yes" and "no" in regards to network managers in general and debian in particular. |
| 08:19.19 | wols | mentor: /sbin/getty |
| 08:19.28 | plediii | or that |
| 08:19.37 | wols | g-e: we don't support ubuntu. please go to #ubuntu. if you want general linux help: #linux |
| 08:19.43 | mentor | plediii: Er, yes, but I don't think that's related to my point |
| 08:20.21 | g-e | should one do "apt-get autoremove" from time to time? |
| 08:20.37 | plediii | i was just wondering if there was a real difference between the two start up modes besides what services are started |
| 08:20.46 | g-e | wols: im not talking about ubuntu. or do you mean "people who use ubuntu" are not allowed here? |
| 08:20.58 | mentor | NetworkManager (Adn disturbingly more and more Gnome software) is predicated on the assumption that there is one person logged into the computer, in a GUI session, who is also the owner and controller of the computer |
| 08:21.06 | mentor | This is not a forum for Ubuntu support |
| 08:21.40 | wols | I mean we have several people a day who claim to have debian questions where they want to apply the answers to ubuntu since they think #debian is more knowledgeable about stuff than #ubuntu. please go back to #ubuntu |
| 08:21.41 | g-e | man, you people really seem to hate ubuntu with a burning passion. if you go mad just because i mentioned i have an ubuntu machine. |
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| 08:22.07 | wols | no, we only hate people who don't go to the proper irc channels. those we really really hate tho |
| 08:22.17 | g-e | iirc i came here and asked if its possible to go online with command line tools. |
| 08:22.32 | g-e | and just because i have an ubuntu machine you treat me like a ... |
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| 08:22.53 | g-e | its not that i only have one computer, you know. |
| 08:23.15 | Worf | . o O ( what the hell is going on here ? ) |
| 08:23.26 | wols | g-e: we have heard all your whining frm dozens of other people before, and they were better than you to make their point :) |
| 08:23.31 | likevinyl | por que no la chupan |
| 08:23.45 | likevinyl | ups, sorry, wrong channel |
| 08:23.46 | likevinyl | _ |
| 08:23.48 | likevinyl | ¬¬ |
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| 08:24.47 | Worf | now what is bad about network manager? i have it on some of my (Debian !) boxes too ... |
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| 08:25.09 | arp-\off | saracatunga |
| 08:25.10 | mentor | I refer to be previous statements |
| 08:25.15 | arp-\off | todos quieren saracatunga |
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| 08:26.03 | streuner_ | arp-\off: please talk english here |
| 08:26.14 | themill | Worf: for the situations it was designed for (mainly laptops working off dhcp everywhere) it works quite nicely. In other situations, it's probably not what you want. |
| 08:27.08 | likevinyl | streuner_, in english: saracatunga all likes saracatunga |
| 08:27.24 | mentor | Which language? |
| 08:27.44 | wols | es or pt I guess |
| 08:27.45 | likevinyl | mentor, "spanish... from streets" |
| 08:27.53 | mentor | !es |
| 08:27.54 | dpkg | Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat |
| 08:28.10 | g-e | Ok, heres my conclusion: since i cannot install network-manager or anything on that machine (since its not online) and iwconfig does not support wpa and wpa_supplicant needs configuration files and what not - guess what i will do? i go and look if there is a good old dusty cat-5 cable lying around somewhere. |
| 08:28.34 | likevinyl | g-e, wicd... |
| 08:28.45 | wols | what you will do is go back to #ubuntu, unless you install a debian via debian installer |
| 08:28.55 | g-e | likevinyl: there is no wicd on that machine |
| 08:29.13 | likevinyl | aptitude install wicd |
| 08:29.38 | g-e | likevinyl: if the machine would be online, i would not need to do anything :) |
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| 08:30.09 | epsilon | copy the wpa .deb file via usb stick |
| 08:30.36 | epsilon | or run an unencrypted wlan for to copy |
| 08:30.50 | g-e | epsilon: yeah! or print it out and type it into the editor of my choice. i found a cable. lets stick it in... |
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| 08:32.18 | g-e | phew its online. good old ifconfig and route add default gw :) |
| 08:33.12 | mentor | the installer should add a default entry for wired interfaces |
| 08:33.18 | mentor | But also, install ifplugd |
| 08:33.34 | g-e | mentor: the machine is here only temporarily |
| 08:33.43 | mentor | ... |
| 08:33.51 | g-e | so its alright if it has to hang on the cable. |
| 08:33.54 | mentor | That's no excuse |
| 08:34.00 | wols | mentor: he's running ubuntu. do you know what ubuntu puts in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 08:34.14 | mentor | g-e: IS this particular machine Ubuntu? |
| 08:34.26 | epsilon | .oO jehova |
| 08:34.46 | g-e | wols: i have these two lines in my /etc/network/interfaces: |
| 08:34.46 | g-e | auto lo |
| 08:34.47 | g-e | iface lo inet loopback |
| 08:34.48 | mentor | He cannot help you here |
| 08:34.52 | g-e | wols: nothing else |
| 08:35.27 | epsilon | ubuntu p0wer |
| 08:35.49 | mentor | I'm going to assume that's a yes then |
| 08:35.56 | epsilon | I guess ubuntu is using network-manager by default something? |
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| 08:35.59 | likevinyl | http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs234.snc1/8122_1228708279790_1291568964_676704_3817860_n.jpg |
| 08:36.01 | mentor | And now I'm going to do something else |
| 08:36.03 | arachnist | hi |
| 08:36.05 | likevinyl | ;) |
| 08:36.11 | g-e | epsilon: yes, but i deinstalled it |
| 08:36.12 | likevinyl | easy... |
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| 08:36.47 | wols | levifig: we don't like spam. thank you |
| 08:36.54 | arachnist | why, for most "apt-cache search" queries the only way to get semi-relevant results is "apt-cache search foo | grep foo" or even "apt-cache search foo | grep -w foo"? |
| 08:37.00 | wols | likevinyl: ^^ |
| 08:37.06 | SabioPeruca | jjj |
| 08:37.14 | vanessa | Hello! The guys in #ubuntu told me this is the right channel to ask more technical questions about Ubuntu? |
| 08:37.18 | mentor | arachnist: It searches descriptions too |
| 08:37.25 | mentor | arachnist: Try using debtags? |
| 08:37.41 | wols | arachnist: cause apt-cache search does a full text search basically. and just like google, if you do a too broad search you get tons of irrelevant hits. |
| 08:37.41 | arachnist | debtags? |
| 08:37.43 | mentor | looks at vanessa evilly |
| 08:37.49 | themill | vanessa: I bet they didn't. |
| 08:38.01 | arachnist | wols: "tora" is a too broad search? |
| 08:38.04 | epsilon | vanessa: troll somewhere else |
| 08:38.14 | likevinyl | jjjjj |
| 08:38.15 | mentor | notes that he already did this |
| 08:38.25 | likevinyl | ubunta :P |
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| 08:38.30 | mentor | arachnist: Yes, is a tag based categorisation scheme for debian packages |
| 08:38.30 | likevinyl | os[Linux 2.6.32-3-686 i686] distro[Debian squeeze/sid] cpu[2 x Intel(R) Atom(TM) CPU N270 @ 1.60GHz (GenuineIntel) @ 800MHz] mem[Physical: 1000.7MB, 68.3% free] disk[Total: 142.4GB, 84.6% free] video[Intel Corporation Mobile 945GME Express Integrated Graphics Controller] sound[HDA-Intel - HDA Intel] |
| 08:38.31 | likevinyl | _ |
| 08:38.36 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:38.37 | vanessa | mentor: i take that as a yes. you know, im using g-e's other machine and I too would love some profound ubuntu support :) |
| 08:38.40 | likevinyl | love SID! |
| 08:38.41 | likevinyl | _ |
| 08:38.45 | likevinyl | sid or die |
| 08:38.47 | epsilon | likevinyl: stop spamming |
| 08:38.47 | likevinyl | haha |
| 08:38.51 | wols | g-e: that was very very stupid |
| 08:38.57 | likevinyl | oooooo |
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| 08:39.09 | themill | likevinyl: let's have more signal and less noise in a while |
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| 08:39.18 | g-e | wols: its called "humor" |
| 08:39.25 | mentor | g-e: shush now |
| 08:39.25 | wols | it's called trolling |
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| 08:39.59 | denysonique | anyone tried btrfs? |
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| 08:40.05 | g-e | well, anyway. thanks for your support and understanding. have a nice day. |
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| 08:40.46 | epsilon | how's current status of squeeze? |
| 08:40.50 | likevinyl_ | bleh |
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| 08:41.22 | mentor | likevinyl_: ban evasion is a network level offence. |
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| 08:42.23 | epsilon | any plan when squeeze will be freezed? |
| 08:42.31 | wols | !tell epsilon about siyh |
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| 08:45.07 | mentor | epsilon: Probably the best indicator is the RC bug count |
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| 08:58.04 | bolt | is there a way to setup a swapfile on a network drive? sshfs, cifs, nfs..? i have a thin client with only 100 megs of memory and what should be a read-only boot device (CF-card). i want to have some (slow) swap-space just to avoid crashing if something happens to use a lot of ram |
| 08:58.24 | denysonique | bolt, yes |
| 08:59.19 | denysonique | just create the swap file on the nfs mount and swapon it |
| 08:59.21 | wols | bolt: does the normal way to make a swapfile not work? |
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| 08:59.46 | wols | bolt: you also should set swappiness very very low |
| 08:59.49 | wols | !swappiness |
| 08:59.49 | dpkg | swappiness is probably A number of Linux kernel developers debated "swappiness" - exploring when an application should or should not be swapped out, versus reclaiming memory from the cache. http://kerneltrap.org/node/3000 http://kerneltrap.org/node/3202 http://kerneltrap.org/node/3660 |
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| 09:01.08 | bolt | wols: i made a 256 mb file on a samba share with dd, did mkswap on it, and then tried swapon /mnt/share/myfile.swp. it says "swapon: /mnt/share/myfile.swp: Invalid argument" |
| 09:01.53 | xxtjaxx | Hi everyone I have a remote control here that I use with lirc and unfortunately it doesnt wuite listen to my instructions set in my ~/.lircrc does anybody here tried anything in this area? |
| 09:02.51 | bolt | wols: the same procedure produces the expected results when run on a local file. thus i was assuming the samba share was to blame |
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| 09:03.29 | bolt | wols: thanks for the swappiness tip. i'll do that. |
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| 09:05.32 | wols | bolt: look at this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DisklessUbuntuHowto#Adding%20a%20swap%20file |
| 09:07.12 | timeoh | How to send a message to var/spool/mail? |
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| 09:07.43 | timeoh | mail root@mysystem does nit word |
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| 09:09.16 | bolt | wols: ah. with a loopback device it works perfectly |
| 09:09.20 | bolt | wols: thanks :D |
| 09:09.43 | bolt | now for the swappiness |
| 09:10.08 | Worf | . o O ( he said jehovah ) |
| 09:11.00 | wols | !tell timeoh about doesn't work |
| 09:11.09 | wols | Worf: skip it |
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| 09:47.11 | mentor | bolt: you may also want to look at vm_overcommit |
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| 09:47.51 | mentor | bolt: Basically, quite a lot of the memory assigned for a program is never needed |
| 09:48.14 | mentor | bolt: Think: copy-on-write library sharing |
| 09:48.25 | bolt | mentor: will check. thanks for the tip. |
| 09:49.11 | mentor | bolt: So, by default linux assumes it won't be needed; this works badly on low memory systems as the memory failure occurs suddenly and random programs get killed (OOM). |
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| 09:49.47 | bolt | mentor: ah |
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| 09:53.12 | denysonique | bolt, you need to mkswap first the file |
| 09:53.57 | cantoma | hey guys, I am using wmweather+. I placed my located like this wmweather+ -location "52'07'03N 00'62'67W" and it says that the weather is sunny, but outside its raining? How can I check if its pointing to the correct location?! |
| 09:54.55 | denysonique | cantoma, check the location using google maps, the coordinates |
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| 09:56.40 | cantoma | denysonique, they are correct |
| 09:57.38 | denysonique | cantoma, so if they point to your place the only bad thing would be the weather data server |
| 09:59.22 | cantoma | denysonique, do you have any idea if I could check what the weather data server show online in a webpage if I would type this coordinates |
| 10:00.25 | denysonique | cantoma, why would you want to do that? |
| 10:00.35 | denysonique | try to figure out what server does your app use |
| 10:00.56 | wols | mentor: is memory committed before it's written to? |
| 10:01.14 | mentor | wols: You mean on a copy? |
| 10:01.40 | denysonique | cantoma, btw your is from weather.gov |
| 10:01.49 | denysonique | cantoma, type your location there first and see |
| 10:02.06 | mentor | Why do I feel like denysonique is leaving blanks for us to fill in |
| 10:02.19 | wols | mentor: nah, I mean committed. basically, I allocate memory, fine, but I don't get that memory from the kernel until I actually write to it |
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| 10:02.32 | mentor | wols: No, that's not what overcommit is |
| 10:02.32 | wols | cause before I write to it, I just don't need to, no matter what I allocate |
| 10:03.14 | mentor | wols: There's the total amount of storage available for memory, which is RAM + swap |
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| 10:04.40 | wols | yes, and if I want to read in a 2GB file when there is only 1GB virtual memory, something will break.and when does it? when I malloc the 2GB buffer? when I calloc it? when I fread the 2GB into memory? |
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| 10:05.57 | mentor | wols: Starting a process may require up to x amount of memory as VM (i.e., not heap, but maps); however, it is unlikely that it will use all of that, so Linux will allow said program to run up to where the sum(x_i) is some multiple of the total available storage |
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| 10:06.09 | mentor | wols: "virtual memory"? |
| 10:06.25 | mentor | wols: Well, no, because if it's a file |
| 10:06.30 | cantoma | denysonique, weather.gov is that only for america?? I tried european cities and it doesn't find them |
| 10:06.45 | wols | so this applies to code only? |
| 10:06.49 | mentor | It's backed by the filesystem, so it doesn't need to exist in memory storage all at the same time; the VM will swap it |
| 10:06.58 | mentor | wols: Essentially |
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| 10:07.32 | wols | mentor: if I fread it, it will, if I mmap it not, no? or does fread use mmap by default? I was just simply talking about a buffer I create that happens to be bigger than all available virtual memory |
| 10:07.52 | mentor | er |
| 10:08.05 | wols | virtual memory being physical chips and swapfile (which has a fixed size at any given time) |
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| 10:08.25 | mentor | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:08.38 | mentor | If you try to mmap a file, then it will work |
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| 10:09.42 | mentor | Well, I suppose, assuming it has at least one page available |
| 10:09.45 | wols | so ELF files have a header of sort "I want X amount of memory"? and if that is too big for current memory, it will still be allowed depending on overcommit settings since the kernel guesses: "you might want that much but since I run a ton of shared libs I doubt you need it all in reality"? |
| 10:09.54 | mentor | No |
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| 10:10.00 | zoyd | hi, is there a way to search by metapackages on http://packages.debian.org/? |
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| 10:10.15 | mentor | The ELF files have a list of libraries and things that need to be loaded into the processes address space |
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| 10:11.11 | zoyd | just like 'xorg-devel' metapackage .. is there one for image libs? libpng-dev, libjpeg-dev, etc. all in one metapackage? |
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| 10:11.21 | mentor | No |
| 10:11.43 | wols | zoyd: pdo doesn't have such a thing, maybe aptitude search does |
| 10:11.44 | mentor | Because xorg-devel is needed for compiling xorg things |
| 10:11.51 | mentor | image-devel is completely arbitrary |
| 10:12.01 | wols | !tell zoyd about aptitude search |
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| 10:34.12 | Kamping_Kaiser | yay, no errors from ftparchive. if only it was populating the correct files :( |
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| 10:43.39 | Kamping_Kaiser | s/correct//, on reflection |
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| 10:53.14 | cristi8 | hi. i was away from my desktop for a couple of hours and when i came back my computer was powered off, but my num-lock led on my keyboard was on. this got me thinking that it was not a power failure. where can i check if some kernel error occured? |
| 10:53.29 | CQ | hello, I have several drives that are mounted, but not showing up with df or mount .... any ideas? all are encrypted filesystems, all are in fstab with noauto, and they are definitely mounted right now. |
| 10:53.53 | CQ | cristi8: dmesg is a good start, otherwise look at /var/log/messages etc. |
| 10:54.28 | cristi8 | dmesg only shows messages from the current boot? |
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| 10:55.04 | CQ | I think so, but there should be dmesg files in /var/log from the last boots as well... |
| 10:55.26 | ham5 | mmhuh |
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| 11:03.12 | djura-san | \o/ |
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| 11:08.04 | Kamping_Kaiser | only one thing to discover, how to make different arches packages go into different files |
| 11:08.07 | Kamping_Kaiser | so clooooose |
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| 11:29.20 | pmurias | what's the best way to migrate from debian stable to testing? |
| 11:30.02 | denysonique | apt-get update, apt-get upgrade, apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 11:30.12 | denysonique | and make a backup |
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| 11:30.37 | pmurias | just changing sources.list should be enough? |
| 11:30.54 | denysonique | should be |
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| 11:31.52 | vsmatck | I'd sooner run ubuntu than debian testing. Personal preference. |
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| 11:33.07 | abrotman | denysonique: that's wrong |
| 11:33.14 | abrotman | !tell pmurias about lenny->squeeze |
| 11:33.17 | abrotman | !tell denysonique about why aptitude |
| 11:33.18 | denysonique | could be |
| 11:33.29 | denysonique | but I have done it that way and it works |
| 11:33.54 | vsmatck | I don't see why you'd run apt-get upgrade before apt-get dist-upgrade. Why not just apt-get dist-upgrade only? |
| 11:34.28 | vsmatck | And am I missing something? I've always done my upgrades with apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade. |
| 11:34.48 | pmurias | abrotman: !tell lenny->squeez? |
| 11:34.58 | abrotman | pmurias: see what the bot told you |
| 11:35.11 | abrotman | pmurias: in PM |
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| 11:36.20 | pmurias | thanks |
| 11:36.51 | vsmatck | I just read the bot info on lenny->squeeze. Is there a reason to use aptitude over apt? |
| 11:37.02 | vsmatck | Or is that personal preference? |
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| 11:38.21 | denysonique | vsmatck, dependencies are being better handled by aptitude |
| 11:38.33 | abrotman | !tell vsmatck about why aptitude |
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| 11:38.58 | abrotman | it's not dependencies so much as problem resolution .. and when doing something like a dist-upgrade, that might be pretty important |
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| 11:39.40 | xnor | Morning, i have a php script that i run from cron. Now i get "/bin/sh: line 1: 20272 Segmentation fault" but the line works in cli.. what can be the trouble? |
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| 11:40.15 | abrotman | how do you run it from the command line? |
| 11:40.15 | vsmatck | denysonique/abrotman: Thanks for the info. I'm going to do some research on aptitude. :) |
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| 11:40.25 | denysonique | vsmatck, you are welcome |
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| 11:40.52 | michalxo | what was the main question? apt-(get) vs aptitude? |
| 11:41.24 | xnor | abrotman: php /cronscripts/dump_ads_ffv.php > /dev/null |
| 11:42.28 | abrotman | xnor: you can try to strace it .. or try it as another user |
| 11:42.36 | xnor | abrotman: in cron: */5 * * * * root php /cronscripts/dump_ads_ffv.php > /dev/null |
| 11:42.58 | abrotman | would probably use /usr/bin/php .. but still shold work |
| 11:43.07 | xnor | ill try |
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| 11:45.23 | Amse | hi? |
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| 11:46.37 | michalxo | hi :-d |
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| 11:46.56 | michalxo | paja vsakze nie si ten paja z bike-fora :-D |
| 11:47.15 | denysonique | michalxo, nie rozumiem Ciebie |
| 11:47.21 | abrotman | michalxo: english here |
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| 11:47.50 | michalxo | I should write it as PM, sorry |
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| 11:48.39 | Kamping_Kaiser | is bz2 used by default on the debian archives these days? |
| 11:49.24 | abrotman | for what? |
| 11:49.41 | Kamping_Kaiser | Packages/sources/contents-arch files |
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| 11:50.07 | abrotman | there are Packages.bz2 |
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| 11:50.52 | giggsey | I have a 32 bit Debian MySQL host, and a 64 bit MySQL Client. When I try to connect to the SQL on the 32bit host from the 64bit client, it takes 5 seconds. Any ideas? |
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| 11:52.33 | xnor | abrotman: I think it worked, strange though i had the correct PATH in the crontabfile |
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| 11:53.09 | Kamping_Kaiser | abrotman: thanks, looks like packagfes/source havce bz2, but not contents. |
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| 11:56.00 | abrotman | Kamping_Kaiser: maybe see if there's a bug against apt-file (not even sure if that's the right package to have it filed against" |
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| 11:56.45 | bp0 | giggsey, it shouldn't matter, afaik. |
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| 11:56.55 | bp0 | something else is the matter |
| 11:57.35 | giggsey | bp0, possibly, but I've tried connecting to it from other clients in other locations, and even the same location with other OS's and it's been fine |
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| 11:57.56 | chut | hi people |
| 11:58.05 | chut | is it possible to get new version of conky? |
| 11:58.12 | chut | i want version 1.8 on lenny |
| 11:58.12 | Kamping_Kaiser | abrotman: apt-file appears to read them (from my 4 second look at the source), so i guess its just ftpmasters not swithing on the bzip2 compression |
| 11:58.24 | boxy | compikle it |
| 11:58.25 | Kamping_Kaiser | apt-ftparchive can do it, so its just a setting |
| 11:58.32 | chut | oh |
| 11:58.48 | wols | ,versions conky |
| 11:58.50 | judd | conky -- etch: 1.4.4-1; lenny: 1.6.0-2; sid/contrib: 1.8.0-1; squeeze/contrib: 1.8.0-1 |
| 11:58.55 | chut | boxy, and i have to replace compile dependencies? |
| 11:58.56 | wols | !tell chut about ssb |
| 11:59.31 | boxy | it should show you what you need |
| 11:59.42 | abrotman | Kamping_Kaiser: or it's still there for older versions of those applications |
| 12:00.26 | Kamping_Kaiser | abrotman: could be - checking when it got introduced would be to much effort though :) |
| 12:00.28 | chut | thanks :) |
| 12:00.44 | abrotman | Kamping_Kaiser: find an ftp-master maybe |
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| 12:01.08 | boxy | no problem .) |
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| 12:01.19 | Kamping_Kaiser | abrotman: i'm updating doco, so i think i'll avoid that distraction. |
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| 12:03.24 | Chaos|Baghdad | Can anyone help me with C? |
| 12:03.36 | boxy | what do you need? |
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| 12:04.30 | Chaos|Baghdad | without giving me anything fancy, how do you call on the system to get the date, and print it simply? |
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| 12:04.37 | abrotman | Chaos|Baghdad: try ##c |
| 12:04.55 | Chaos|Baghdad | abrotman: I'm banned from there because I'm using the CGI client |
| 12:05.16 | abrotman | that doesn't make this the appropriate place to ask |
| 12:06.27 | abrotman | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=C+example+print+system+date&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai= .. the second link looks promising? |
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| 12:10.21 | puty | hi |
| 12:11.10 | puty | i whould to like install openoffice 3 in debian stable. how i can do that? |
| 12:12.03 | Chaos|Baghdad | apt-get update && apt-cache search openoffice |
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| 12:12.18 | Chaos|Baghdad | apt-get install whatevertheactualnameoftheopenofficepackageis |
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| 12:12.41 | aiux | , versions openoffice.org |
| 12:12.42 | judd | openoffice.org -- etch: 2.0.4.dfsg.2-7etch6; etch-security: 2.0.4.dfsg.2-7etch9; etch-backports: 1:2.4.1-12~bpo40+1; lenny: 1:2.4.1+dfsg-1+lenny3; lenny-security: 1:2.4.1+dfsg-1+lenny6; squeeze-security: 1:3.1.1-15+squeeze1; lenny-backports: 1:3.2.0-4~bpo50+1; squeeze: 1:3.2.0-4; sid: 1:3.2.0-9 |
| 12:12.52 | Worf | puty: you want lenny-backports |
| 12:13.00 | puty | i dont want pass to testing |
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| 12:13.52 | avar | I have: "The following partially installed packages will be configured: grub grub-pc". How do I move these packages from being partially configured to being as if I hadn't upgraded them at all (i.e. keep the existing versions). I have an apt/preferences now to pin them, but they're whining on every upgrade because they're broken. |
| 12:14.09 | avar | I can't upgrade due to some interaction between them and the VPS it's running on |
| 12:14.17 | Chaos|Baghdad | be a man, use sid |
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| 12:17.40 | puty | worf you right i need backports |
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| 12:18.02 | dentifrice | hey there - I just installed squeeze using the nighty build of the D-I, and I'm quite dazzled at the changes in handling basic stuff like keyboard - also, where is xorg.conf ?! |
| 12:18.07 | Worf | puty: backports.org for instructions, unless you allready found |
| 12:18.14 | dentifrice | it seems it doesn't exist no more, is that right ? |
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| 12:19.00 | puty | yes i'am rightnow reading that |
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| 12:21.00 | donk | hello room |
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| 12:25.12 | puty | Worf if i understand well i need to add repo backports after update and install. I'am right? |
| 12:26.36 | Worf | puty: yep. add repo, set priority in preferences, update, and finally install (specifying the repository or version) |
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| 12:27.53 | Worf | aptitude -t <repo> install <package> or aptitude install <package>=<version> |
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| 12:29.27 | Worf | i have to admit i don't yet exactely understand the details between this 2 ways, i think it boils down to which repository dependencies will be prefered from |
| 12:29.36 | the_file | does debian have something like the ubuntu sofware center?. |
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| 12:30.23 | Worf | the_file: i don't know, because i have no clue what a "software center" is |
| 12:30.25 | abrotman | dentifrice: xorg now does its 'best guess' .. works pretty well for most |
| 12:30.37 | the_file | worf ever used ubuntu?. |
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| 12:31.14 | dentifrice | abrotman: right |
| 12:31.19 | Worf | the_file: does count "fixing ubuntu users installation" count as "use"? |
| 12:31.20 | maligor | squeeze has software center |
| 12:31.24 | abrotman | dentifrice: if you want to use it, you can |
| 12:31.31 | dentifrice | ok, thanks |
| 12:31.52 | eshat | Hi all, my NTFS Partition causes an error in cfdisc, because it is greater than cylinder boundary... |
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| 12:32.09 | eshat | everything works fine, but can I resize the partiotn without messing it up ? |
| 12:32.19 | the_file | worf what do you mean?. |
| 12:32.31 | the_file | when you initially boot with an ubuntu disk?. |
| 12:32.33 | eshat | fdisk says : |
| 12:32.35 | eshat | Disk /dev/sda: 320.1 GB, 320072933376 bytes |
| 12:32.36 | eshat | 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 38913 cylinders |
| 12:32.52 | eshat | but sda3 is: /dev/sda3 * 29395 38914 76461056 7 HPFS/NTFS |
| 12:33.20 | eshat | so it is 38914 instead of 31913 .... can I change that without ruining sda3 ? |
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| 12:34.51 | j0nnY | eshat: i dont know why it is, but you can fix iit in MBR |
| 12:35.08 | eshat | j0nnY: and it will still be mountable and bootable ? |
| 12:35.18 | eshat | j0nnY: windows 7 is runnig on it |
| 12:35.34 | j0nnY | eshat: if u do all right, it will be |
| 12:35.52 | eshat | j0nnY: ok,.. so by MBR you mean changing it with fdisk /dev7sda |
| 12:36.18 | j0nnY | eshat: boot from another disk or from flash, and first backup MBR |
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| 12:36.57 | eshat | j0nnY: that's a good idea,... can I not backit up from here to an USB disc ? |
| 12:37.03 | j0nnY | eshat: then, you change some bytes in copy of original MBR, and write modified MBR to disk |
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| 12:37.54 | eshat | j0nnY: okay, I ll try... thanks |
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| 12:38.52 | j0nnY | eshat: it is easy. dd if=/dev/hda of=/your/usb/MBR.dump bs=512 count=1 |
| 12:39.11 | j0nnY | eshat: hda is your harddisk |
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| 12:44.10 | j0nnY | eshat: after good thinkin, i see other way :) you backup MBR, and then, in fdisk, delete wrong partition and create new |
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| 12:44.55 | j0nnY | eshat: it may help. if no, you always may write MBR copy back |
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| 12:50.36 | Kuifje111 | hello all. I ran badblocks overnight on my external HDD, it found 130 bad blocks. What do I do? return it or somehow fix it? |
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| 12:52.18 | careta | hey guys |
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| 12:52.33 | careta | im building a debian package from source, how do I tell him to apply the patches in debian/patches? |
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| 12:53.10 | themill | careta: the easiest way is to use source format 3.0; http://wiki.debian.org/Projects/DebSrc3.0 |
| 12:53.11 | razer | j /#ncmpcpp |
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| 12:54.01 | careta | themill, the package is already in 3.0, i just downloaded the sources and the diff file from packages.debian.org and added a couple of patches there |
| 12:54.20 | careta | if i do a fakeroot debian/rules binary-arch it will build the package with the patches automatically? |
| 12:54.35 | themill | careta: is the new patch listed in debian/patches/series? |
| 12:54.40 | careta | yes |
| 12:54.57 | themill | careta: then "dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -us" is what you want. |
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| 12:56.29 | careta | themill it said dpkg-source: error: can't build with source format '3.0 (quilt)': no orig.tar file found |
| 12:57.08 | themill | careta: so what did you download when you "downloaded the sources" |
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| 12:58.12 | careta | themill, i downloaded the orig.tar and debian.tar but i unpacked them, i guess they should not be unpacked? |
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| 12:58.32 | czlek | witam! |
| 12:58.40 | czlek | potrzebuje pomocy |
| 12:58.41 | themill | careta: correct. |
| 12:59.06 | themill | !pl |
| 12:59.06 | dpkg | i heard pl is polska -> #debian-pl (on irc.freenode.net). Also, pl is a common extension for perl scripts and is sometimes used as an abbreviation for "packet loss". |
| 12:59.38 | themill | careta: well, you would normally have both the unpacked version and the .orig.tar.gz around. |
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| 13:14.49 | xxtjaxx | zhxk: apt-cache search gnome samba |
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| 13:17.47 | puty | Worf thanks i'm rightnow on openoffice from backports. |
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| 13:19.27 | Robert___ | Hi. Rbldnsd produces the following to error notifications when starting http://pastebin.com/91mBtsZZ. I would like to solve this but don't understand what is causing it? |
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| 13:45.34 | takis1 | looking for a program similar to matlab...exists? |
| 13:45.46 | azeem | apt-cache search matlab |
| 13:45.59 | azeem | octave |
| 13:46.25 | takis1 | cheers |
| 13:46.26 | takis1 | ty |
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| 13:49.53 | michalxo | takis1 try scilab too... |
| 13:50.05 | michalxo | scilab/maxima/octave |
| 13:51.53 | takis1 | a little bit "heavy" for my old laptop :9 |
| 13:52.00 | takis1 | scilab i mean |
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| 13:57.22 | JyZyXEL | what was that awesome debian based livecd |
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| 13:57.57 | JyZyXEL | meant for rescue |
| 13:58.35 | gsker | hi!. I'm trying to figure out how to get ifup to add -1 to the dhclient3 command line. The man page doesn't seem to help me much. Can anyone clue me in? |
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| 14:01.00 | Zmanu | hello |
| 14:01.26 | Zmanu | i try to see my webcam with mplayer, and i get this error http://pastebin.com/gpzNgtDh is someone have an idea ? |
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| 14:31.43 | chomwitt | hi. in starting dolphin 1.3 in kde 4.3 in squeeze debian nothing is diplayed in home folder "klauncher cant load kio-file" |
| 14:33.03 | chomwitt | also i noticed that packages.debian.org exits that kio_file.so is in kdelibs5 but in my installation kdelibs5 dont have any such file! |
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| 15:15.36 | mcl0vin_ | good morning folks |
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| 15:16.01 | mcl0vin_ | where does linux save the wireless information, ESSID, key etc please |
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| 15:17.27 | themill | mcl0vin_: please keep your ubuntu questions in #ubuntu. |
| 15:18.30 | mcl0vin_ | themill: wow , you are good gfus |
| 15:19.35 | simonrvn | wonders what gfus means |
| 15:19.50 | mcl0vin_ | opps that sound bad "Good For You Son" |
| 15:20.19 | mcl0vin_ | and not "Go F888 your self :) |
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| 15:20.24 | mcl0vin_ | lol |
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| 15:20.43 | simonrvn | pats themill on the back |
| 15:21.03 | cahoot | not paternally I hope |
| 15:22.24 | simonrvn | paternal(istical)ly? no, friendly :). |
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| 15:35.01 | unixp | how is the easiest way to extract .zip files? |
| 15:35.10 | xxtjaxx | unzip? |
| 15:35.19 | simonrvn | !tell unixp -about search |
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| 15:36.32 | arachnist | bsdtar -xf path/to/file.zip |
| 15:36.40 | arachnist | (srsly) |
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| 15:37.18 | xxtjaxx | arachnist: bsdtar is different from gnus tar? |
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| 15:37.39 | arachnist | xxtjaxx: it can extract zip and iso files |
| 15:37.47 | xxtjaxx | hmmm nice |
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| 15:38.17 | arachnist | xxtjaxx: and you can do "curl http://blah/some/file.tar.gz | bsdtar -xf -" and it will detect that it is gzip-compressed |
| 15:38.35 | arachnist | (gnu tar will ask you to add either -z or -j) |
| 15:38.45 | xxtjaxx | damn |
| 15:39.09 | nsadmin | why bother with another tar? |
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| 15:39.23 | simonrvn | bsdtar --help |
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| 15:39.33 | arachnist | oh, and bsdtar has licence that's more Free |
| 15:39.54 | xxtjaxx | nsadmin: some dont do the same as others when you want to work with others thats crucial |
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| 15:40.12 | xxtjaxx | MIT I suspect= |
| 15:40.13 | xxtjaxx | ? |
| 15:40.16 | nsadmin | sure, that's why I bring it up |
| 15:40.46 | arachnist | xxtjaxx: BSD-3 |
| 15:41.25 | xxtjaxx | nsadmin: one should be able to interact with others so when they come along with a zip and you only have gnutar you cant just moan about it |
| 15:42.59 | arachnist | and there's also that one issue: |
| 15:43.07 | arachnist | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:43.08 | nsadmin | it just depends on what you want to do... |
| 15:43.09 | arachnist | 356K /bin/tar |
| 15:44.16 | nsadmin | depends on who you're working with, what they run and what tools they have |
| 15:44.16 | simonrvn | that's why there's multiple tools ;). |
| 15:44.43 | AimHere | Of course bsdtar doesn't have a command line option to check and read your email |
| 15:45.04 | nsadmin | and gnu tar does? |
| 15:45.16 | AimHere | I thought everything gnu does |
| 15:45.25 | AimHere | Including the hello world |
| 15:46.10 | nsadmin | oic, it's the Pin The Tail On The GNU show |
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| 15:47.16 | arachnist | anyways, i'm happier when a tar can unpack just about anything i happen to deal with, than a tar that only handles tar files and doesn't even detect compression correctly |
| 15:47.40 | xxtjaxx | arachnist: good point |
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| 15:48.31 | kaluzamorph | hi |
| 15:48.34 | kaluzamorph | need some help |
| 15:48.38 | kaluzamorph | got this problem |
| 15:48.40 | kaluzamorph | E: /var/cache/apt/archives/udev_153-2_amd64.deb: subprocess new pre-installation script returned error exit status 1 |
| 15:48.48 | kaluzamorph | tried to upgrade kernel no joy |
| 15:48.56 | xxtjaxx | nsadmin: dont get me wrong I love gnu and gnu tools but you cant do anything if your tools dont help you as they should |
| 15:49.01 | kaluzamorph | im doing it via synaptic package man |
| 15:49.28 | kaluzamorph | my broken dep are consolekit then libudev0 |
| 15:49.36 | kaluzamorph | anyone any ideas ? |
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| 15:50.16 | xxtjaxx | kaluzamorph: how did that happen? did you want to install an inferior deb? |
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| 15:50.29 | kaluzamorph | inferior deb |
| 15:50.31 | kaluzamorph | ? |
| 15:50.33 | jhutchins_lt | kaluzamorph: Tell us more about what you're trying to do - what release, what kernel, etc. |
| 15:50.44 | jhutchins_lt | kaluzamorph: What procedure are you following? |
| 15:50.52 | xxtjaxx | well did you compile the deb yourself or get it from the official mirrors? |
| 15:50.55 | nsadmin | xxtjaxx: you should absolutely use anything you want... I think my only thing here is the tool called tar should be for tar files, and there are other tools that understand multiple formats |
| 15:50.56 | kaluzamorph | ok kernel: Linux dragon 2.6.26-2-amd64 #1 SMP Tue Mar 9 22:29:32 UTC 2010 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 15:51.11 | nsadmin | sounds like lenny |
| 15:51.21 | xxtjaxx | nsadmin: ah |
| 15:51.22 | kaluzamorph | nope I just wanted to install some packs on my systems... which is debian 5.03 i think |
| 15:51.26 | kaluzamorph | nope 5.04 |
| 15:51.43 | xxtjaxx | kaluzamorph: that is lenny |
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| 15:51.46 | kaluzamorph | yip |
| 15:52.01 | nsadmin | xxtjaxx: well that, and multiple versions of tar tend to confuse and bloat |
| 15:52.17 | xxtjaxx | yes |
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| 15:52.42 | LasseMDK | How do I install all packages starting with in example "ttf-" ? |
| 15:53.08 | kaluzamorph | http://pastebin.com/JcfTxc6R |
| 15:53.14 | nsadmin | look at it this way: it's possible to come up with a linux that does not use any gnu tools at all, including gcc even to compile the kernel |
| 15:53.15 | kaluzamorph | that is the output from synaptic |
| 15:53.21 | \amethyst | LasseMDK: aptitude install 'ttf-.*' BUT be wary about installing that many fonts |
| 15:53.22 | arachnist | nsadmin: on the other hand, having a one tool to rule them all means that you don't need to remember tons of different switches |
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| 15:53.37 | \amethyst | LasseMDK: some programs will be really slow to start the first time |
| 15:53.56 | \amethyst | LasseMDK: and a few, like inkscape, will be really slow to start every time |
| 15:54.00 | nsadmin | arachnist, agreed, but the tool should probably be called something like archiver or like that |
| 15:54.07 | kaluzamorph | i've tried to upgrade the kernel... same problem forces it not to... |
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| 15:54.22 | nsadmin | multi-archiver |
| 15:54.30 | LasseMDK | \amethyst, not working. Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "ttf-.*" |
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| 15:54.50 | AimHere | Try it without the period |
| 15:54.54 | nsadmin | kaluzamorph what kernel are you trying to upgrade to? (and, why) |
| 15:55.00 | AimHere | It probably wants a mere glob rather than a regexp |
| 15:55.11 | \amethyst | LasseMDK: oops.. '~nttf-.*' |
| 15:55.15 | LasseMDK | apt-get works like this apt-get install ^ttf- |
| 15:55.19 | kaluzamorph | nsadmin, look at this error message http://pastebin.com/JcfTxc6R |
| 15:55.46 | \amethyst | hm? I thought aptitude search wanted regexps, not globs |
| 15:55.47 | kaluzamorph | it suggests that udev153-2 fails cause of some kernel config "error" |
| 15:56.41 | xxtjaxx | kaluzamorph: Please upgrade your kernel before or while upgrading udev |
| 15:56.49 | xxtjaxx | as sugested |
| 15:56.53 | xxtjaxx | by the output |
| 15:56.55 | kaluzamorph | xxtjaxx, i cant seemto get it upgraded... |
| 15:56.56 | nsadmin | kaluzamorph rather than read an error message, why don't you just say in english |
| 15:57.08 | kaluzamorph | nsadmin, lol thought I did |
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| 15:57.29 | kaluzamorph | i tried to upgrade my kernel... no joy... this error stops it from upgrading |
| 15:57.32 | kaluzamorph | in synaptic |
| 15:57.36 | nsadmin | oh, you did? |
| 15:57.37 | kaluzamorph | is there away to by pass it? |
| 15:57.51 | kaluzamorph | yip tried to upgrade to 2.6.32 |
| 15:57.52 | nsadmin | to what version? |
| 15:57.59 | nsadmin | there, ok, |
| 15:58.05 | nsadmin | and, why? :) |
| 15:58.07 | kaluzamorph | that was the latest from synaptic |
| 15:58.18 | kaluzamorph | lol because of the error! |
| 15:58.20 | nsadmin | is that why? |
| 15:58.26 | kaluzamorph | circular reasoning :P |
| 15:58.58 | nsadmin | so you want to upgrade your kernel because upgrading your kernel produces an error? ;) |
| 15:58.58 | kaluzamorph | it seems consolekit wanted udev, and udev want >=2.6.26 |
| 15:59.12 | kaluzamorph | something like that nsadmin |
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| 16:00.06 | \amethyst | xxtjaxx: temporarily go back to the older udev, then upgrade the kernel, then reinstall |
| 16:00.12 | nsadmin | so there's not a reason such as, "I have a device that I want to support but 2.6.26 doesn't support it"? |
| 16:00.34 | \amethyst | xxtjaxx: you can probably find the oldder udev in /var/cache/apt/archives/ and can install it with dpkg -i |
| 16:00.49 | simonrvn | ETAB |
| 16:01.02 | nsadmin | btw, why is 2.6.32 available in synaptic? |
| 16:01.03 | wildc4rd | afternoon all |
| 16:02.03 | kaluzamorph | uhm... think its cause I had the testing repos on for trying to switch to kde4 |
| 16:02.23 | kaluzamorph | look im not a newbie, just been awhile on debian, and dont want to break the install |
| 16:02.27 | kaluzamorph | wanted to try kde4 |
| 16:02.40 | kaluzamorph | been using rhel 5 mostly |
| 16:02.42 | kaluzamorph | :P |
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| 16:03.41 | nsadmin | kaluzamorph: let me get to something I'm suspecting right now, which is you're adding sources for debian after lenny and depends are starting to conflict |
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| 16:04.44 | nsadmin | oh, so it's true... |
| 16:04.44 | kaluzamorph | uhm you are correct, although it seems its only udev... I just wanted to install kde4 according to kde website |
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| 16:05.02 | denysonique | nsadmin, why it shouldn't be avialable, are you talking about sid? |
| 16:05.10 | nsadmin | ok, so you have a choice, and MAYBE a better choice for you is to just upgrade for testing |
| 16:05.38 | kaluzamorph | nsadmin, hmmm... is this an easy option! :P |
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| 16:05.40 | nsadmin | but you may be in for later pain and you won't necessarily know why |
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| 16:07.23 | nsadmin | it's easy to do the initial upgrade. but you may or may not want to have to handle the resulting issues you might face from the reduced stability which results not just from less tested software, but also from debian-specific issues, which in turn result from the fact testing is often a moving target |
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| 16:08.20 | kaluzamorph | hmmmm... |
| 16:09.00 | nsadmin | it depends on your experience, OR it depends on how much you care about the installation... (that is, if you don't care if it gets completely wiped, and the data on the machine with it, then you can go for anything with the caveat that you take your own responsibility for problems that come up) |
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| 16:10.11 | kaluzamorph | well this is a test case , so i might as well try it.... the upgrade... as for my system, well its very much secure against unwanted errors... well mostly |
| 16:10.14 | kaluzamorph | lol |
| 16:10.39 | nsadmin | some people here could be grumpy about problems that result from doing that, so just be aware of that part |
| 16:10.42 | kaluzamorph | most of the important stuff are at work, securely... therefore... I think I'll give upgrade a go, if that solves the error |
| 16:10.49 | kaluzamorph | lol |
| 16:11.00 | kaluzamorph | it would seem so ;) |
| 16:11.15 | nsadmin | s/problems/hearing about your problems/ |
| 16:11.24 | nsadmin | that's more to the point |
| 16:11.39 | kaluzamorph | cool! |
| 16:11.55 | kaluzamorph | what are you running? |
| 16:12.00 | kaluzamorph | if you dont mind me asking ... |
| 16:12.05 | nsadmin | I run stable |
| 16:12.11 | denysonique | kaluzamorph, what exactly are you trying to install? |
| 16:12.26 | denysonique | that pulls some deps? |
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| 16:12.32 | nsadmin | he wants a new kernel, he wants to try kde4, etc |
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| 16:12.42 | kaluzamorph | yip kde4 |
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| 16:13.04 | nsadmin | well maybe he wants to try kde4 and that resulted in trying to install a new kernel |
| 16:13.05 | blendmaster1024 | what's the program to make it so you can run a second X session in a window in your host x session? |
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| 16:13.33 | \amethyst | blendmaster1024: Xnest |
| 16:13.39 | nsadmin | kaluzamorph: so really this is about kde4? |
| 16:13.49 | denysonique | kaluzamorph, people experience problems with kde4 on gentoo, if it only wants udev plus new kernel that will be fine it wouldn't break your system |
| 16:13.57 | blendmaster1024 | \amethyst, it comes with a button in the menus, right? |
| 16:14.05 | kaluzamorph | it would seem so |
| 16:14.31 | kaluzamorph | denysonique, that was why i ditch gentoo |
| 16:14.31 | blendmaster1024 | well, thanks, i guess i can just install and see |
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| 16:14.42 | nsadmin | no, I mean: all of this came about because you want to see kde4? |
| 16:14.45 | \amethyst | blendmaster1024: I believe that is gdmflexiserver |
| 16:14.46 | kaluzamorph | denysonique, too much effort to get kde4 going |
| 16:14.56 | kaluzamorph | nsadmin, yip it would seem so |
| 16:15.14 | kaluzamorph | nsadmin, i added the repos from the kde website for debian |
| 16:15.22 | kaluzamorph | clicked kde-minimal |
| 16:15.27 | kaluzamorph | at now have udev issues |
| 16:15.43 | nsadmin | sheesh :) let me try another way: if you didn't want kde4 at all, would you be trying to upgrade anything right now? |
| 16:15.57 | kaluzamorph | nope :) |
| 16:16.10 | kaluzamorph | well |
| 16:16.10 | nsadmin | ok, finally I understand what you want :) |
| 16:16.20 | kaluzamorph | lol... ok! |
| 16:16.20 | denysonique | kaluzamorph, gentoo is ideal for getting the latest software |
| 16:16.41 | denysonique | debian is ideal for an extremely stable system |
| 16:16.41 | kaluzamorph | denysonique, i was gentoo mad in undergrad |
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| 16:16.58 | denysonique | kaluzamorph, for how long have you used it? |
| 16:17.02 | kaluzamorph | denysonique, dont have that much time now :P to wait for installs |
| 16:17.21 | kaluzamorph | denysonique, i've been using gentoo since wow, 2004/5 |
| 16:17.36 | kaluzamorph | it runs/use to run mail/apache server |
| 16:17.46 | mik3 | hi, is there a way to set debian-kernel configurations without recompiling it from the sources? |
| 16:17.47 | kaluzamorph | switch to rhel |
| 16:17.56 | nsadmin | ok, so: the definitive question now: are you willing to go to testing in exchange for having kde4 available? |
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| 16:18.15 | kaluzamorph | nsadmin, well im using kde4 at the moment |
| 16:18.28 | kaluzamorph | its just that udev breaks all the installs from here on! :( |
| 16:18.28 | denysonique | kaluzamorph, why not go for testing if you are using gentoo? |
| 16:18.29 | nsadmin | oh, got it... |
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| 16:18.52 | nsadmin | so what you want now, is to fix the breakage? |
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| 16:19.02 | kaluzamorph | denysonique, its too much effort, and plus the machine on which things run are not really kde4 friendly |
| 16:19.09 | kaluzamorph | nsadmin, yip |
| 16:19.39 | kaluzamorph | nsadmin, so Im down to consolekit wanting udev-153_2 |
| 16:19.41 | qwd | I have an Intel E4500 and Scythe Ninja Plus with two Nexus fans. I'm thinking about removing the fans, is this a very bad idea? Here's the output of sensors http://pastebin.com/E46JFd4B |
| 16:19.58 | nsadmin | ok, just noticed there are things about kde4 (namely lack of compatibility) you don't like/want |
| 16:20.02 | nsadmin | is that right? |
| 16:20.41 | kaluzamorph | yip |
| 16:20.55 | nsadmin | ok, so do you want to go back? |
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| 16:20.57 | kaluzamorph | kde4 seems to work ok, well for now |
| 16:21.10 | kaluzamorph | i just cant for example install xine |
| 16:21.14 | kaluzamorph | etc |
| 16:21.19 | nsadmin | or forward? |
| 16:21.20 | kaluzamorph | so system is rather broken |
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| 16:21.34 | themill | !squeeze udev |
| 16:21.34 | dpkg | As of <udev> 150 in squeeze, Linux kernel 2.6.27 or newer is required (i.e. upgrade kernel and udev at the same time). If udev installation fails and you already have a squeeze kernel installed, then reboot into the new kernel and "aptitude -f install ; aptitude safe-upgrade" to continue. <squeeze kernel> <kernel abi> |
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| 16:21.36 | kaluzamorph | im downloading testing upgrades, and switch of main(stable) repos |
| 16:21.44 | kaluzamorph | yip |
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| 16:22.18 | nsadmin | which? back or forward? |
| 16:22.32 | kaluzamorph | think it means forward > testing |
| 16:22.32 | nsadmin | looks like what you're doing is going forward |
| 16:22.43 | silidan | where are the sourcefiles stored when i say sudo apt-get source somepackage? |
| 16:22.44 | nsadmin | yeah, you'd have testing |
| 16:22.56 | themill | silidan: cwd |
| 16:23.02 | kaluzamorph | i hope this will clear the error |
| 16:23.18 | nsadmin | there's no guarantee of that |
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| 16:23.22 | kaluzamorph | but its rather strange though, since I checked web for people with similar errors |
| 16:23.29 | kaluzamorph | not many people |
| 16:23.32 | silidan | themill: cwd=?? |
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| 16:23.41 | kaluzamorph | hence my query here on irc |
| 16:23.47 | _2 | debian 5.0 "02:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Atheros Communications Inc. AR242x 802.11abg Wireless PCI Express Adapter [168c:001c] (rev 01)" ath5k driver doesn't seems to work. should i try madwifi ? |
| 16:23.53 | kaluzamorph | nsadmin, yeah hoping :) |
| 16:24.00 | themill | silidan: current working directory. They're downloaded in the directory you run it from |
| 16:24.02 | _2 | silidan cwd==./ |
| 16:24.17 | silidan | ok |
| 16:24.19 | themill | !dbugs 571255 |
| 16:24.22 | nsadmin | looks like the problem (of kernel+udev) is common enough for someone to put a factoid about it on the bot |
| 16:24.23 | dpkg | #571255:G[udev] Udev 151-2 upgrade problem on debian-testing-'squeeze' i386 cd binary1 20090302-04-:09 (); Wed, 24 Feb 2010 18:06:01 UTC [] |
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| 16:24.45 | nsadmin | and file a gub report |
| 16:24.54 | nsadmin | BUG |
| 16:24.58 | nsadmin | argh! |
| 16:25.01 | kaluzamorph | hehe |
| 16:25.01 | themill | nsadmin: there's a dozen or so of these each day. |
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| 16:25.17 | nsadmin | really? ok |
| 16:25.22 | m-g | Does anybody here use thinkfan? Its a very nice fan control proggy that i discovered today. It can be installed via "apt-get thinkfan". Strangely, by default it does not get run on startup. You can invoke it manually and it runs as a demon then by default. Where would you guys put it, so that it gets run on every startup? |
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| 16:25.47 | _2 | nsadmin 'gub'ecak |
| 16:26.06 | _2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:26.28 | mik3 | hello, is there a way to set debian-kernel configurations without recompiling it from the sources? |
| 16:26.43 | joltcan | m-g: Look in /etc/defaults/ and see if there is a config for it to start at startup |
| 16:26.46 | kaluzamorph | ok back to work... thanks for help nsadmin ... will let you know if you still around later if it works the update |
| 16:26.48 | kaluzamorph | :P |
| 16:26.50 | nsadmin | kaluzamorph: so according to themill, there are about 10 people per day who come in asking about the udev+kernel thing you're experiencing |
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| 16:26.59 | cahoot | mik3: would it do any difference without a compile? |
| 16:27.06 | kaluzamorph | nsadmin, hehe makes me feel better |
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| 16:27.07 | kaluzamorph | :P |
| 16:27.25 | nsadmin | kaluzamorph: just so you know, that can cause slight grumpiness |
| 16:27.30 | _2 | where is package "madwifi" for lenny ? |
| 16:27.43 | mik3 | yes, like still being updated and ofcourse build with my own configs |
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| 16:27.53 | nsadmin | I think madwifi is a set of kernel modules |
| 16:28.17 | m-g | joltcan: yes, there is. it has "default=no" in it. I never knew, there is /etc/default/. Dont you think the whole linux directory structure is *much* to complex? |
| 16:28.27 | nsadmin | which means there are different madwifis for each kernel version |
| 16:28.40 | varlon | hi, I use debian on laptop, how can I discover files on windows mobile from debian? is it passible? |
| 16:28.42 | nsadmin | what you can do is apt-cache search madwifi |
| 16:28.44 | m-g | joltcan: thank you, by the way! |
| 16:29.02 | joltcan | m-g: You mean in comparison of finding services/registry stuff in windows? Not really, no |
| 16:29.13 | joltcan | m-g: np |
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| 16:29.49 | themill | dpkg: tell _2 about madwifi-install |
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| 16:29.54 | djura-san | im off. have a nice day peeps :) |
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| 16:30.53 | mik3 | well thanks anyway... cyaz |
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| 16:33.02 | m-g | joltcan: no, in comparison to a very lean clean directory structure that i could invent if i laid back and think for a while. |
| 16:33.33 | DASPRiD | can it be that "dkms build" does not copy over all files from the source directory? it seems that it is missing 3 blobs from the source directory |
| 16:33.52 | joltcan | m-g: I think that there are so many types of system installations that a simple one cannot really cover it all. just read LSB and get used to it :P |
| 16:34.38 | m-g | What would you people use to test if a fancontrol program is working correctly? cat /dev/urandom > /dev/null and then see if the fanspeed goes up? |
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| 16:34.54 | joltcan | youtube in flash |
| 16:35.38 | m-g | joltcan: strangely, youtube does not eat up a lot of cpu on this machine. |
| 16:37.06 | m-g | well, i could open 2 hd movies... |
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| 16:38.17 | m-g | still only 50% cpu usage. probably because firefox uses only one of the 2 cpus |
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| 16:41.07 | poisonbit | m-g, you have packages to load cpu, and other components |
| 16:41.34 | poisonbit | apt-cache search bench stress cpu load etc |
| 16:41.37 | poisonbit | there are many |
| 16:41.48 | poisonbit | or you can use simple bash forkbombs :) |
| 16:42.20 | poisonbit | there was one package about pi calculation that overloads the cpu if I remember right |
| 16:43.02 | m-g | poisonbit: i really need a packet just to cause load? what about cat /dev/urandom > /dev/null? |
| 16:43.25 | poisonbit | that could me more I/O that cpu i think |
| 16:43.38 | poisonbit | I say, urandom does not uses cpu only, uses entrophy |
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| 16:44.10 | m-g | poisonbit: doesnt urandom calc random numbers at full speed? |
| 16:44.20 | poisonbit | no |
| 16:44.44 | poisonbit | man 4 urandom |
| 16:44.55 | m-g | poisonbit: i thought /dev/random uses entropy from the hardware and urandom is just a formula |
| 16:44.59 | poisonbit | "The random number generator gathers environmental noise from device drivers and other sources into an entropy pool." |
| 16:45.08 | amphi | m-g: FWIW, mprime in torture mode gives cpu/fpu/ram a good workout |
| 16:45.16 | Chris___ | I'm trying to view a web page which insists it needs Microsoft Silverlight to be viewed. Is there any reasonable way I'll be able to view it? |
| 16:45.17 | JyZyXEL | if i do a bugreport on a thing that needs to be added to documentation on all debian version will it be fixed in lenny? |
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| 16:45.44 | poisonbit | m-g, aptitude show cpuburn |
| 16:46.00 | m-g | well, urandom got my temperature up so im fine with that |
| 16:46.09 | \amethyst | m-g: /dev/urandom uses entropy from the hardware while it is available, and then falls back to a cryptographic prng |
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| 16:46.39 | m-g | \amethyst: yepp. so it makes a nice stresstest to cat urandom to null. |
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| 16:47.30 | _2 | question. i have a debian 4.0 install and a debian 5.0 install on one disk. what would be the most likely issue caused if i simply copy the entire 5.0 data to the 4.0's partition, keeping existing data and overwritting existing files ? |
| 16:47.42 | poisonbit | JyZyXEL, I don't know, but anyway you should report that bug |
| 16:48.12 | poisonbit | _2, don't do that |
| 16:48.23 | Worf | _2: the most likely issue is: "everything broken" |
| 16:48.26 | jhutchins_lt | JyZyXEL: What is it you think needs to be done? |
| 16:48.44 | JyZyXEL | thing needs to be added in the documentation |
| 16:49.05 | Worf | _2: why would one do such a thing? |
| 16:49.11 | poisonbit | JyZyXEL, we are courious about _which_ thing :) |
| 16:49.35 | _2 | poisonbit heh. i didn't ask permission, nor do i need it. :) but thanks for the order anyway. |
| 16:49.54 | _2 | worf hd is almost full and i need the space |
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| 16:50.15 | poisonbit | _2, what do you want to keep, 5 ? |
| 16:50.31 | JyZyXEL | cryptsetups documentation didn't say you need to add stuff into /etc/initramfs-tools/modules in order to get usbdev keyfiles to work at boottime |
| 16:50.33 | poisonbit | then save data from 4, and mkfs.ext3 that partitions and add to fstab |
| 16:50.52 | _2 | poisonbit yes 5.0 but the partition it is on is 4g and the one the 4.0 install is on is 72g |
| 16:50.57 | poisonbit | and update grub after delete the 4 |
| 16:51.01 | JyZyXEL | actually they should be added automatically by update-initramfs anyways |
| 16:51.01 | _2 | both almost full. |
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| 16:52.48 | poisonbit | _2, do you have any external backup media? then you can do a clean install and avoid issues |
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| 16:53.05 | _2 | moving the OS is prefered, so.... and i really doubt that it will break anything other than the boot loader and maybe fstab ;/ just thought i'd ask if anyone else thought of something it might break. |
| 16:53.06 | poisonbit | If not, you can create one physicall lvm on the 72G partition |
| 16:53.22 | poisonbit | and split in logical volumens and mount them in diferent points of the system |
| 16:53.32 | _2 | poisonbit no. external backup is almost impossable at this time. |
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| 16:53.46 | poisonbit | then i should choose the LVM way |
| 16:54.31 | _2 | hmmmm.... |
| 16:54.48 | poisonbit | 1) put on fdisk (t)ype 8e |
| 16:55.17 | _2 | :))) |
| 16:55.23 | poisonbit | let imagine that it is sda1: pvcreate /dev/sda1 |
| 16:55.32 | poisonbit | vgcreate vg00 /dev/sda1 |
| 16:55.53 | poisonbit | and then you can use lvcreate to split in some logical volumes |
| 16:56.18 | poisonbit | and mount them on /home, /us, /var, /tmp... swap... etc where you want |
| 16:56.23 | Worf | _2: i'm not sure if i understand you correctly, but you can relatively easy clone linux to some other (free) disk - especially when booting from some live cd. but you mentioned something like "copy and overwrite files" ... which will break everything |
| 16:57.55 | _2 | Worf " ... which will break everything" it shouldn't break anything that "cloning" wouldn't break. should it ? |
| 16:57.56 | zrin | what should start rpc.statd (for nfs locking)? |
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| 16:58.41 | poisonbit | how many data do you have? If it feets on your debian 5 4G install, you can make a clean install where debian 4 72G is |
| 16:58.55 | Chris___ | I'm trying to view a web page which insists it needs Microsoft Silverlight to be viewed. Is there any reasonable way I'll be able to view it? |
| 17:00.05 | zrin | ... nfs-common tries to start rpc.statd, but hangs |
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| 17:01.09 | _2 | poisonbit no. the data is all on the 72g where debian 4 now lives. that's the problem. and it is kinda scattered over the entire dirrectery structure so just deleting the living 4.0 system is not really an option either. "kinda non-standard" |
| 17:01.44 | poisonbit | _2, you can try a dist-upgrade to the 4 install, but first step in the manual is backup ;) |
| 17:01.58 | Worf | _2: if you copy lenny and edge system "over each other", you have no chance to predict what files remain and which are overwritten, mixing old and new config to a unpredictable state |
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| 17:02.04 | _2 | ;) |
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| 17:02.57 | poisonbit | zrin, /var/log/daemon.log or /var/log/* says something about that ? |
| 17:03.21 | _2 | Worf unpredictable might be acceptable, in this case. data lose in general is not. i can always reinstall to a non-clean fs if i have too |
| 17:04.03 | poisonbit | zrin, do you've portmap running? /etc/init.d/portmap |
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| 17:04.39 | zrin | poisonbit: I just figured out that network was not running |
| 17:04.59 | _2 | i.e. a clean install of debian 5.0 on the 72g without formatting it, can be done. i just thought that copying the living 5.0 install from the 4g fs would be easier, and achieve about the same end results |
| 17:05.06 | zrin | poisonbit: lo was down ... thank you |
| 17:05.12 | poisonbit | :) |
| 17:06.08 | Worf | _2: what i don't understand: system and data is seperated quite well usually. why not just delete the system files from 4 and copy system of 5 then ( without overwriting any files )? |
| 17:06.39 | Worf | _2: data is usually limited to /home and /srv and similar |
| 17:07.14 | _2 | Worf key word there is "usually" i have written a lot in some odd places ;/ |
| 17:07.26 | poisonbit | "a clean install of debian 5.0 on the 72g without formatting it, can be done." <-- that makes no sense, "without formating" != "clean install" |
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| 17:07.51 | Worf | _2: then the first step would propably be to fix that :) |
| 17:08.10 | _2 | poisonbit point noted. |
| 17:08.17 | poisonbit | _2, take a look at the debian 4->5 upgrade instructions and think if it is a option |
| 17:08.25 | poisonbit | or it will be pain for your system |
| 17:09.01 | _2 | poisonbit bandwidth is the issue with upgrading. "i have none" |
| 17:09.11 | visof | hello |
| 17:09.12 | poisonbit | I've upgrade some desktops, from 3->4->5 and I'm happy with the result |
| 17:09.19 | visof | how can i burn a cdi image ? |
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| 17:10.31 | Worf | _2: so no storage, no bandwith and no file hierarchy standard? that will be a lot of pain :) |
| 17:10.57 | _2 | maybe not. i'll let ya know. ;/ |
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| 17:12.16 | claudiouss | hello |
| 17:12.17 | poisonbit | _2, If you stole wifi, you can make a backup in 10 gmail accounts... less with compresion |
| 17:12.41 | _2 | :))) |
| 17:12.45 | claudiouss | i'm trying to install Debian 5.04 but i got the "No common CD-ROM drive was detected" errpr |
| 17:13.22 | aguitel | anyway to create /home separate from / ? |
| 17:13.37 | wols | aguitel: yes. just do it |
| 17:13.38 | claudiouss | i'm trying to install Debian 5.04 but i got the "No common CD-ROM drive was detected" error, i have a SATA cd/dvd rom. how can i solve this?? |
| 17:13.38 | _2 | aguitel yes |
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| 17:14.08 | wols | claudiouss: which chipset? |
| 17:14.27 | claudiouss | motherboard chipset?? |
| 17:14.34 | arcsky | anyone used curlftpfs ? |
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| 17:15.03 | aguitel | wols, i have only one partition and want to separate /home in another partition witouth reinstall the system |
| 17:15.20 | claudiouss | wols: Intel H55 chipset |
| 17:15.50 | wols | !tell claudiouss about kmuto |
| 17:16.03 | wols | aguitel: then create a new partition first |
| 17:16.20 | zobel | !tell zobel about kmuto |
| 17:16.25 | aguitel | wols, how |
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| 17:16.49 | wols | !tepp aguitel about gparted |
| 17:16.56 | wols | !tell aguitel about gparted |
| 17:17.53 | aguitel | wols, ok ,and then |
| 17:18.03 | _2 | aguitel then after you create a new partition. copy your /home to it and mount it on /home "or move the data," |
| 17:18.06 | Worf | claudiouss: i assume standard lenny kernel doesn't like that. question is: what is the easiest workaround? ( i have no problem installing from some other live cd with debootstrap, but maybe that's not exactely the best solution for you ) |
| 17:18.32 | wols | then you copy over your /homes to the new partition, and after that mount the new partition on /homes and you're done |
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| 17:19.05 | _2 | !fstab |
| 17:19.05 | dpkg | well, fstab is a file that lets the `mount' command know what mountable things (partitions, drives, etc) are in your system. Try `man 5 fstab` for more information on it. See also <label>, <uuid>. |
| 17:19.06 | floyd | hey. I've successfully imported and pinned debians testing and unstable repo below lucid repos, im wondering about the dangers of upgrading kernel+x+mesa to more closely follow upstream by installing debian/unstable or testing packages |
| 17:19.31 | claudiouss | wols, ok thanks! i'll try kmuto |
| 17:19.41 | wols | floyd: we don't support debian/ubuntu mixing. you made that mess, you deal with it on your own. our advice is: reinstall |
| 17:19.50 | floyd | i havent made a mess |
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| 17:20.14 | floyd | you saying it will make a total mess trying to update those 3 packages (+dependancies)? |
| 17:20.43 | wols | you already made a mess mixing the distros. #debian supports debian and debian only. |
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| 17:20.50 | floyd | i have no mess |
| 17:20.57 | wols | that's what you think |
| 17:21.09 | johaBBa | floyd, update.... |
| 17:21.14 | floyd | no unsolvable dependancies or anything |
| 17:21.19 | floyd | debian repos pinned below ubuntus |
| 17:21.28 | wols | floyd: what distro are you running? |
| 17:21.31 | _2 | and #ubuntu supports .... "where's my c:\" only ? |
| 17:21.32 | floyd | lucid |
| 17:21.35 | cahoot | floyd: if you haven't already upgraded just back out |
| 17:21.38 | wols | floyd: then go back to ubuntu |
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| 17:21.48 | wols | tho I doubt they will support you |
| 17:22.15 | zrin | i have rather minimal lenny booting off network; i've installed console-common and console-data; loadkeys de; all keys are working but <ALtGr>+<\> (backslash) ... where shall I start looking for the problem |
| 17:22.28 | floyd | ive updated several times but as i said the debian repos are pinned belop ubuntus, meaning i have to specify install from debians else default to lucid |
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| 17:22.48 | wols | !ubuntu |
| 17:22.48 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 17:22.52 | floyd | but installing kernel+x+mesa from unstable/testing is a no-go then? i should just assume it will break? |
| 17:23.06 | floyd | youre not even trying to hear me, huh? |
| 17:23.09 | wols | floyd: you don't run debian. you're in the wrong channel. there is no support for you here since we don't know anything about your system. |
| 17:23.40 | johaBBa | no one will with that....mess. |
| 17:23.43 | wols | floyd: you don't want to read. we don't support ubuntu. nothing ever will change that. you don't run debian, so we can't support you with your issues |
| 17:23.46 | johaBBa | just pick a distro |
| 17:23.50 | floyd | yeah i know, but only dimwits in ubuntus channels. i actually came here to ask another question |
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| 17:24.22 | floyd | wols, get it! im not having any issues |
| 17:24.22 | wols | floyd: so you decided to export the dimwittery?`thanks but no thanks, please go back |
| 17:24.27 | floyd | my system is fine |
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| 17:24.53 | wols | floyd: fine. then you don't have any problems and you don't need us. goodbye. have a nice day. and please don't let the door hit your back on your way out |
| 17:24.55 | poisonbit | my system is a red cat |
| 17:25.20 | floyd | wols, why do you feel a need to be such a prick? |
| 17:25.22 | _2 | wols "export" heh :) |
| 17:25.28 | floyd | where you picked on as a kid? |
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| 17:25.45 | floyd | did your mama never say "i love you"? |
| 17:25.55 | floyd | your dad beat you that friday he got too drunk? |
| 17:26.05 | wols | floyd: do you have a DEBIAN related question (and no your initial question wasn't debian related)? |
| 17:26.09 | azeem | floyd: please keep it on topic |
| 17:26.18 | poisonbit | floyd, please stop here, and let #debian be happy |
| 17:26.35 | zrin | better help me start looking for the reason why <AltGr>+<\> (backslash) is not working on the console (german keyboard, loadkeys de) |
| 17:26.47 | poisonbit | zrin, console = tty or X ? |
| 17:26.49 | cire | What is the way to go for setting synaptics parameters? xorg.conf is outdated, HAL is outdated... udev? |
| 17:26.53 | zrin | poisonbit: tty |
| 17:26.54 | floyd | i wasnt the one being a prick. but sure, ill back off when you gang up on me |
| 17:26.56 | wols | zrin: should work fine with a minimal lenny install |
| 17:27.08 | zrin | wols: it should |
| 17:27.13 | wols | !tell zrin about keymap |
| 17:27.37 | floyd | my debian related question was, is there a good in-depth kernel-compile guide somewhere? |
| 17:27.54 | wols | cire: what parameter? |
| 17:27.59 | poisonbit | cire, I think you can overwrite xorg configs, almost in lenny you can create one and it's readed |
| 17:28.06 | wols | !tell floyd about kernel-package |
| 17:28.10 | cire | wols: tapping |
| 17:28.27 | wols | !wayttd cire |
| 17:28.27 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, cire? |
| 17:28.39 | _2 | zrin showkeys and hit the key combo could tell you what it is doing and if you can discern what you want it to do then a simple loadkeys command could fix it " a little vague i know ... " |
| 17:29.03 | xuser | floyd: http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 17:29.15 | wols | cire: ignore me, I thought you talked about synaptic for package management. not a synapticS touchpad |
| 17:29.18 | cire | I want to set some synaptics options for x11. I want to alter the velocity and so on. Also tapping has to be enabled. |
| 17:29.28 | zrin | wols: thank you, did that, all keys (even all other <AltGr>+<something>) are ok, just <AltGr>+<\> not :/ |
| 17:29.35 | floyd | i guess i should say thanks, but youre still a prick jumping to conclusions my situatuin, and me, and not even trying to understand my first question |
| 17:29.38 | floyd | good day |
| 17:30.04 | cire | wols: no problem. ;) |
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| 17:31.21 | poisonbit | zrin, is some exotic keyboard model? is a laptop? (maybe linuxonlaptops has hacks about the model) |
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| 17:32.42 | zrin | poisonbit: no, normal german kbd; works in the other lenny console (and other OS I wouldn't mention, running in vmware remote console) |
| 17:33.12 | zrin | showkey gives keycode 100 for <AltGr> and keycode 12 for <?-Ã-\> |
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| 17:33.40 | zrin | the same in the other console where it is working |
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| 17:35.25 | poisonbit | it's weird |
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| 17:36.16 | poisonbit | remebers those spanish-howto, euro-symbol-howto, etc years ago, in the iso-8859 era |
| 17:36.25 | zrin | I noticed more detailed keyboard selection menus (more option to choose from) when I installed console-common and console-data first; now dpkg-reconfigure console-data gives just 3 german keyboard variants |
| 17:36.53 | dentifrice | anyone using grub-efi around here? |
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| 17:37.23 | poisonbit | they have priority optional |
| 17:37.37 | poisonbit | dentifrice, writting from imac@24 but I boot using refit |
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| 17:38.48 | _2 | echo 'keycode 256 = Page_Down' | loadkeys <<<< non-working example only |
| 17:39.36 | _2 | actually uses echo 'keycode 143 = Incr_Console' | loadkeys |
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| 17:42.04 | zrin | _2: how to say "keycode 12 while keycode 100 is pressed" |
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| 17:43.00 | aarcane_ | why was I mentioned in a kline ticket ? |
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| 17:43.27 | xente | does anyone know why gnome wouldn't ask to save passwords to the keyring anymore such as when connecting to a server? |
| 17:43.48 | zrin | huh... I've removed console-data and console-common, rebooted and now <AltGr>+<\> works |
| 17:43.53 | poisonbit | _2: perl -M5.010 -e 'say "keycode 12 while keycode 100 is pressed";' |
| 17:44.19 | zrin | although the keymap is obviously generic (US) |
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| 17:47.29 | poisonbit | xente, I don't know, but there are howtos searching: http://www.google.es/#hl=en&q=howto+gnome+wouldn%27t+ask+to+save+passwords+to+the+keyring+anymore+such+as+when+connecting+to+a+server |
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| 17:49.24 | xente | poisonbit, thanks, I will check that out |
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| 17:49.52 | zrin | another problem: I've installed pure lenny in one VM to act as nfs-kerlen-server for nfs root (exported aufs mounts) and the other to act as diskless client; at first everything seemd to go well, but now I'm getting kernel oops on the server when fs I/O peaks - now when installing xorg |
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| 17:51.30 | poisonbit | xente, I don't use the gnome keyring, but one time my sister did some hugly thing in her latop and I follow that ubuntu instructions in debian, all ok |
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| 17:56.43 | poisonbit | zrin, kernel version ? you can look at bugs.debian.org... or go to the funny world of debuggers, dumps, symbol tables, traces, and related pr0n |
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| 17:58.15 | poisonbit | zrin, or if it appeared without changing the system (packages, upgrades, configs, etc) from one day to another... maybe a hardware issue |
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| 17:58.39 | zrin | poisonbit: both lenny default (2.6.26-2-amd64) |
| 17:59.01 | zrin | poisonbit: it is a fresh install, both server and client |
| 17:59.08 | poisonbit | I use NFS on lenny and don't use to get oops |
| 17:59.24 | zrin | poisonbit: me as well on several production systems |
| 17:59.50 | k2s | hello, is there some limit how big RAID5 could be on debian with kernel 2.6.32 on ARMED platform ? |
| 18:00.02 | zrin | in this case both machines are VMs under VMware |
| 18:00.15 | poisonbit | what messages do you get in the oops, can you paste ? |
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| 18:02.44 | zrin | poisonbit: I would have to redirect console to ttyS? and somehow connect terminal to VMware machine ... or is there another way? |
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| 18:02.53 | rdz | hi all. what is the name of the package building tool, that downloads all dependencies into /var/lib/ before it builds the binaries? |
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| 18:02.58 | poisonbit | k2s, I don't know, but if you use LVM i.e. in x86_64-bit, the maximum LV size is 8EB. |
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| 18:04.35 | poisonbit | rdz, pbuilder? |
| 18:04.53 | poisonbit | no |
| 18:05.16 | poisonbit | it does not do what you say |
| 18:05.38 | rdz | poisonbit, but anyway, i guess i meant it.... i need to check.. thanks |
| 18:05.43 | poisonbit | it makes a chroot system (and then downloads all build deps) |
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| 18:05.58 | rdz | once had it installed, but can't remember the details |
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| 18:06.08 | rdz | poisonbit, yeah. that is what i meant |
| 18:06.23 | poisonbit | :) |
| 18:06.47 | wols | rdz: nothing downloads dependencies to /var/lib |
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| 18:07.13 | rdz | wols, ok. but it stores the chroot system in /var/lib/ or something, no? |
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| 18:07.33 | wols | rdz: why a chroot system? what for? |
| 18:07.59 | rdz | wols, i though that this is what it does.... |
| 18:08.11 | poisonbit | to use debuild as plain user |
| 18:08.17 | rdz | wols, in order to aptitude install all dependencies into |
| 18:08.18 | wols | I didn't ask WHAT it does, but WHY it does it |
| 18:08.32 | wols | poisonbit: man fakeroot |
| 18:09.00 | wols | especially since only root can run chroot... |
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| 18:09.14 | rdz | wols, isn't the idea that you also can create packages for other distro versions as well? |
| 18:10.51 | wols | -the distro version would be reflected by the depenndencies, no? |
| 18:11.21 | starenka_ | how can i install kernel source & headers (for vbox) for this kernel (squeeze) 2.6.32-trunk-686? cant fund any :( |
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| 18:11.34 | starenka_ | s/fund/find |
| 18:11.36 | dvs | starenka_: shouldn't be using trunk |
| 18:11.56 | dvs | anymore |
| 18:12.33 | starenka_ | dvs: that's what i got after squueze install, there's also some 32.x but it messes suspend etc... so i stick to trunk |
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| 18:13.13 | starenka_ | dvs: trunk means latest dev version? |
| 18:13.20 | dvs | starenka_: releasing trunk was a mistake. If you can't find headers for it, chances are that you won't be able to. |
| 18:13.39 | starenka_ | dvs: okay thx for info |
| 18:13.46 | dvs | np |
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| 18:17.57 | orzo | I'm using squeeze and I would like to pin packages that have been in the testing pool for a certain period of time with a different priority as an extra buffer. Is that possible? |
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| 18:22.59 | poisonbit | orzo, to do that you need to monitorize things yourself, apt_preferences does not know about "dates" but more about "versions" |
| 18:23.16 | cire | anyone using lxde with wireless connections? I cannot find something similar as network-manager-kde in kde for lxde... |
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| 18:23.59 | alpaka | I want to debug what apt-get does when updating, what is the debugging option/parameter |
| 18:24.02 | poisonbit | cire, wiicd (is gtk) |
| 18:24.02 | alpaka | ? |
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| 18:24.23 | orzo | poisonbit: I suppose what' i'd need is some field on the package that marks the date it transitioned from unstable to testing |
| 18:24.40 | alpaka | basically I want to see what it's downloading and the http responses |
| 18:25.01 | orzo | If I want to answer that question for a package X, what do I do? |
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| 18:26.27 | wols | orzo: http://packages.qa.debian.org/common/index.html |
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| 18:27.01 | poisonbit | alpaka, sniff using tcpdump or tshark? I don't know about debug options in the default apt-get/aptitude there is -v in aptitude (verbose) |
| 18:27.05 | orzo | wols, cool, thanks |
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| 18:28.14 | FjearNa | hi |
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| 18:28.28 | orzo | can apt be instructed to pin packages to download only? |
| 18:28.34 | jessi9 | Is there an IRC bot that will tell a channel when data is added to a MySQL table? |
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| 18:31.02 | orzo | download only would be useful in the case I described so that old downloaded versions of packages could be installed even though they've been replaced by fresher packages |
| 18:33.13 | orzo | replaced in the testing pool i mean |
| 18:33.26 | alpaka | poisonbit: tsocks sudo apt-get update -oAcquire::http::No-Cache=True -oAcquire::BrokenProxy=true -oDebug::Acquire::http=true |
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| 18:34.14 | poisonbit | alpaka, didn't know about that options (never needed :) |
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| 18:36.08 | alpaka | poisonbit: tsocks sudo apt-get update -oAcquire::http::No-Cache=True -oAcquire::BrokenProxy=true -oDebug::Acquire::http=true |
| 18:36.16 | alpaka | :) |
| 18:36.27 | alpaka | turns out tsocks does not work in apt-get's case |
| 18:36.55 | poisonbit | didn't know about that options (never needed :) |
| 18:37.25 | tbsaunde | hey, there is a way to have testing repos enabled but prefer stable right? |
| 18:37.33 | poisonbit | yes |
| 18:37.40 | themill | tbsaunde: not recommended. /msg dpkg backport |
| 18:38.11 | poisonbit | better response, I was to literal |
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| 18:39.46 | tbsaunde | themill: I already grabbed a kernel from testing, so what would be my best move? |
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| 18:40.08 | themill | tbsaunde: are you actually booted into that kernel? |
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| 18:40.38 | tbsaunde | themill: yes, the machine in question is booted to that kernel |
| 18:41.09 | themill | tbsaunde: you can probably just keep using it then... the kernel is relatively safe to do that with, providing the older udev actually works with it. |
| 18:41.11 | I_Died_Once | hi, i have an interesting problem... i'm setting up what is to be a gaming box... and i've ran out of space on the hard drive |
| 18:41.25 | themill | tbsaunde: but you might be better off grabbing the kernel from backports.org instead. |
| 18:41.27 | tbsaunde | themill: is going with testing safer than preffering stable? |
| 18:41.30 | I_Died_Once | dpkg --configure -a wont finish as it can't write to tmp |
| 18:41.30 | dpkg | I_Died_Once: I wish you would RTFM. |
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| 18:41.47 | I_Died_Once | and i cannot apt-get remove anything |
| 18:42.15 | I_Died_Once | i'm at a loss on how to proceed from here |
| 18:42.35 | themill | tbsaunde: I wouldn't recommend going to testing just for that. Work out what repos you've actually got packages from and if that's the only one, be happy. /msg dpkg which repo |
| 18:42.38 | \amethyst | I_Died_Once: for one, you can try apt-get clean to clear out your apt cache |
| 18:42.39 | Haksell | I_Died_Once, su -c "chmod a+rw /tmp/" |
| 18:42.44 | \amethyst | I_Died_Once: or removing other files |
| 18:42.44 | tbsaunde | themill: yeah, it seems to be fine, the big thing I want to avoid here is that everying else now wants to be updated |
| 18:42.51 | \amethyst | I_Died_Once: or even mounting a ramdisk over /tmp |
| 18:43.02 | tbsaunde | themill: this is for a friend, otherwise I'd just run testing and be done with it |
| 18:43.14 | I_Died_Once | there are no other files, just stuff installed from apt |
| 18:43.14 | \amethyst | Haksell: it can't write because of a full disk, not permissions |
| 18:43.21 | I_Died_Once | 19 gigs worth ;) |
| 18:43.22 | themill | tbsaunde: friends don't let friends run testing. |
| 18:43.35 | \amethyst | I_Died_Once: apt-get clean then :) |
| 18:43.47 | I_Died_Once | well, one jpg for the desktop |
| 18:43.49 | tbsaunde | themill: yeah, he wants to run stable I agree |
| 18:43.49 | \amethyst | I_Died_Once: to remove the downloaded .debs and free up some space |
| 18:44.03 | I_Died_Once | trying that now |
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| 18:44.27 | \amethyst | I_Died_Once: if that gives an error, you can remove them by hand: rm /var/cache/apt/archives/*.deb |
| 18:44.44 | I_Died_Once | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:44.47 | zrin | something I wanted to know for long time: because of what obscure reason is xterm background (per default) on some debian installs black, while on others white? |
| 18:44.50 | I_Died_Once | **good stuff |
| 18:44.55 | themill | tbsaunde: so perhaps remove testing from the sources.list, check what is installed that doesn't have an entry in the sources.list (/msg dpkg not available) and then add backports (/msg dpkg bpo) and add in the new kernel from there instead. Reboot into the bpo kernel and then remove the testing one. |
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| 18:45.06 | xxtjaxx | Why was there a kernel version called trunk again? |
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| 18:45.21 | I_Died_Once | yay |
| 18:45.29 | I_Died_Once | i got 4 point something gigs now free |
| 18:45.40 | tbsaunde | themill: ok, sounds like a rreasonable solution |
| 18:45.51 | xxtjaxx | I_Died_Once: how? |
| 18:46.01 | I_Died_Once | apt-get clean |
| 18:46.08 | xxtjaxx | ah well |
| 18:46.21 | Yusuff | What is Turkish channel name? |
| 18:46.34 | tbsaunde | themill: htanks |
| 18:46.44 | xxtjaxx | rm -rf /var/cache/apt/archives/*.deb would do the same you know... |
| 18:47.23 | will | Yusuff: #debian-tr? |
| 18:47.51 | will | Yusuff: #debian.tr? |
| 18:48.03 | themill | xxtjaxx: except when there are too many files in /var/cache/apt/archives for the wildcard expansion to work |
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| 18:48.31 | xxtjaxx | *.deb? |
| 18:48.35 | Yusuff | Thank you will. It is debian.tr |
| 18:50.48 | \amethyst | themill: hm... something weird here: |
| 18:51.00 | \amethyst | themill: /bin/echo /var/cache/apt/archives/* | wc -c => 2708539 |
| 18:51.13 | \amethyst | themill: getconf ARG_MAX => 2097152 |
| 18:51.40 | \amethyst | themill: surely the exec should have failed? |
| 18:52.46 | _Dave123_ | these commands i would like to execute when i login to my shell, how can i do this best? alias ntpfix='sudo /etc/init.d/ntp stop && sudo ntpdate 0.pool.ntp.org && sudo /etc/init.d/ntp start' |
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| 18:53.55 | \amethyst | put them in your .bash_profile or your .profile though are you really sure you want to restart ntp every time you log in? |
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| 18:54.13 | dondelelcaro | _Dave123_: that doesn't make much sense; you shouldn't need to restart ntp. |
| 18:54.14 | \amethyst | I mean, if you need to do that more than once, your ntp is broken |
| 18:54.24 | themill | _Dave123_: are you sure you want to do that? |
| 18:54.26 | _Dave123_ | dondelelcaro: i do, because vbox cannot save |
| 18:54.28 | _Dave123_ | themill: yes |
| 18:54.41 | _Dave123_ | when vbox pauses and resumes, there is no way to sync the time |
| 18:54.49 | \amethyst | and if you need to do it even once, you're probably missing NTPD_OPTS='-g' from /etc/default/ntp |
| 18:54.51 | _Dave123_ | apart from manually doing it |
| 18:55.02 | \amethyst | _Dave123_: install the guest additions |
| 18:55.10 | themill | \amethyst: no idea how and when these limits get enforced in this situation |
| 18:55.11 | _Dave123_ | \amethyst: tried, but couldn't get it to work |
| 18:55.25 | dondelelcaro | _Dave123_: so then you should add it to the suspend/resume scripts of virtual box |
| 18:55.36 | _Dave123_ | i don't think these exist |
| 18:55.42 | _Dave123_ | if they do, would like to know where :) |
| 18:55.54 | \amethyst | dondelelcaro: this isn't real suspend/resume |
| 18:56.09 | dondelelcaro | _Dave123_: though ntp will reset itself fairly quickly even if you do stop it like that |
| 18:56.10 | \amethyst | dondelelcaro: the guest doesn't know that anything has happened |
| 18:56.20 | dondelelcaro | \amethyst: there should be hooks to notify the guest |
| 18:56.25 | _Dave123_ | so, what i can do best? |
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| 18:56.54 | \amethyst | _Dave123_: you said the guest additions didn't work? |
| 18:57.38 | \amethyst | _Dave123_: #vbox might be able to give you more suggestions, and help you get time sync with the guest additions working |
| 18:58.10 | _Dave123_ | yes |
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| 19:06.41 | tbsaunde | ok, I'm having trouble installing linux-base from backports |
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| 19:13.30 | pzn | which is the command to 'poweroff' and 'poweron' SATA HDs? I want to put down a drive that is only used once per day, to store backups. |
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| 19:15.08 | ulgo | pzn: i think hdparm can be used for this |
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| 19:16.29 | cusco | hi... |
| 19:16.43 | cusco | !ops cOmmAnds is a spammer |
| 19:16.43 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: cusco complains about: cOmmAnds is a spammer |
| 19:16.44 | j0el | Channel overlords: I am being spammed by cOmmAnds |
| 19:17.00 | cusco | yep, on-join |
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| 19:17.11 | j0el | oppps someone beat me to it |
| 19:17.12 | j0el | sorry |
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| 19:17.19 | cusco | :p |
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| 19:17.38 | cusco | yea.. I need some help with find... |
| 19:17.43 | cusco | find -L follows symlinks |
| 19:17.48 | Intensity | I'd like to ping the emacs23 maintainer to let them know that 23.2 is available upstream. I'm thinking of sending out an email. Is that the recommended or preferred way? |
| 19:17.55 | halmgras | hi, i struggle around inittab not spawning getty, anyone expirienced with that? |
| 19:18.04 | cusco | now I would like to find /path/somewhere -name "*bla*" -L |
| 19:18.21 | cusco | but I would like it to ONLY follow sym links |
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| 19:20.40 | \amethyst | cusco: what do you mean by 'only follow sym links'? |
| 19:20.56 | \amethyst | cusco: you want to find /path/somewhere/foo/bar/baz only if 'foo' 'bar' and 'baz' are all symlinks? |
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| 19:23.51 | xingu | laughs |
| 19:23.56 | xingu | epic fail |
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| 19:24.16 | amphi | that was not a joke? |
| 19:24.32 | xingu | no, it's the command channel for a very nasty cross platform worm. |
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| 19:25.17 | jorik | no, it was a stupid norton fuckup |
| 19:25.19 | xingu | which at one stage was responsible for maybe 30-40% of spam (by bits wasted) |
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| 19:28.39 | lenswipe | hey guys |
| 19:28.52 | lenswipe | ive just setup an ldap server and i cant connect to it |
| 19:29.03 | lenswipe | does debian come with iptables open by default? |
| 19:29.18 | lenswipe | or do i have to create an iptables firewall rule to allow LDAP through? |
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| 19:29.52 | cusco | \amethyst: yes |
| 19:30.18 | simonrvn | lenswipe: no iptables rules are set, so it's a problem with your dit server |
| 19:30.28 | cusco | \amethyst: actually, nevermind that, I overcame it |
| 19:30.30 | cusco | thanks |
| 19:30.34 | lenswipe | simonrvn, or configuration thereof :) |
| 19:30.47 | lenswipe | simonrvn, ....which given my lack of experience with ldap seems alot more likely :) |
| 19:31.15 | cusco | lenswipe: can you ping it? |
| 19:31.28 | lenswipe | cusco, yeah :) |
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| 19:31.36 | lenswipe | most likely an ldap screw up i imagine |
| 19:31.40 | cusco | lenswipe: can you ssh into it? (do you have a ssh server running there?) |
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| 19:31.50 | lenswipe | yes i cna |
| 19:31.52 | lenswipe | can* |
| 19:31.54 | lenswipe | btw whats DIT? |
| 19:32.07 | cusco | lenswipe: can you open a web browser with its ip? |
| 19:32.16 | cusco | lenswipe: like http://ip.to.machine/ |
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| 19:32.17 | lenswipe | cusco, no because i dont have apache installed |
| 19:32.27 | lenswipe | the machine works fine |
| 19:32.33 | lenswipe | its likely just an ldap config issue |
| 19:32.35 | cusco | lenswipe: LDAP.. argh, I was thinking LAMP |
| 19:32.36 | cusco | LOL |
| 19:32.42 | lenswipe | lol |
| 19:32.42 | cusco | :( |
| 19:32.56 | lenswipe | cusco, no wonder you were asking about apache and stuff |
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| 19:33.05 | lenswipe | i was sat here thinking "WTF is he on about!?" |
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| 19:33.24 | cusco | lenswipe: is it with samba? |
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| 19:33.31 | lenswipe | cusco, ya |
| 19:33.47 | cusco | can you see samba info? (like trying smbtree locally)) |
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| 19:34.17 | cusco | I guess it must be some LDAP... I never set one up so I'm not big help. |
| 19:34.23 | juju2143 | me neither. |
| 19:34.23 | lenswipe | cusco, oh i havent set samba up really yet - i know how that works - im just trying to figure out this bastard LDAP |
| 19:34.46 | cusco | http://wiki.debian.org/LDAP could be a starting point |
| 19:34.52 | lenswipe | yeah |
| 19:34.53 | lenswipe | heh |
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| 19:35.00 | cusco | gl |
| 19:35.03 | lenswipe | thx |
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| 19:37.54 | pzn | ulgo, it worked! hdparm -C and hdparm -y thanks! |
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| 19:50.00 | tbsaunde | hey anyone have truble with ath5k and network manager? |
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| 19:50.47 | paper_cc | is using ath5k with NetworkManager on Eee PC 901 all right |
| 19:52.19 | paper_cc | can anyone suggest a program to annotate PDF documents (preferably using Gtk+/GNOME, but one for KDE will also do) |
| 19:52.24 | paper_cc | * ? |
| 19:53.00 | eshat | Hi all,... I have a "Partition 3 does not end on cylinder boundary." Problem. it is a NTFS Partition that has 38914 as end, instead of 38913. Howto fix, without lossing the Data ? |
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| 19:56.42 | frostschutz | eshat: gparted? |
| 19:57.45 | simonrvn | has 2 partitions like that, and they're fine |
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| 20:06.57 | valdyn | eshat: you dont need to fix this |
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| 20:12.57 | simonrvn | eshat: it's just mildly annoying |
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| 20:18.18 | eshat | valdyn: simonrvnwell it is really annoying because cfdisc wouldn't start |
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| 20:19.00 | eshat | windows has a strange way to choose partitons size |
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| 20:20.08 | xperia | hello to all. i have a question about a DDOS attack on my server. i would like to know how can i identify the person behinf this adress. he had poested such stuff over a formular on my website "gdUceWOwLGWiyvujh" from this adress here "s0106001cf055aad4.vc.shawcable.net" |
| 20:21.37 | xperia | after one hour then a lot of different websites and ip adresse nearly each second have requested dozens of such strange urls |
| 20:22.08 | xperia | GET /index.htmltranslate.html HTTP/1.1" 404 369 "-" |
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| 20:22.31 | xperia | GET /links.phpvideo-jukebox/index.php HTTP/1.1" 404 |
| 20:22.57 | randomuser | http://www.stopforumspam.com/ipcheck/24.81.0.201 |
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| 20:24.52 | xperia | randomuser: thank you a lot for the info. it is a great step forward for me this info. what i find very strange is that the logs from this adress show the bahavor of a human from my side and not a bot |
| 20:25.04 | randomuser | eh. i googled. |
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| 20:26.58 | antonio2 | hi there, I'm working on porting libv8 to mips, if anyone has access to lucatelli.debian.org, can you please tell me the output of this command: python -c 'import platform; print platform.machine()' |
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| 20:36.20 | randomuser | i'm setting up a little pile of virtual machines, and i want them to all be on a virtual network; i'm not sure where to start. using libvirt/virt-manager |
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| 20:39.43 | pngwn | c |
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| 20:40.40 | pzn | which is the best filesystem for lots of small files in the same directory? |
| 20:41.07 | lenswipe | is away: "You've read my away message and now, angry ticks will fire from my nipples!" |
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| 20:45.06 | kaluzamorph | nsadmin, you here? |
| 20:46.20 | pngwn | !tell lenswipe -about away |
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| 20:53.49 | lenswipe | is back (gone 00:12:42) |
| 20:54.00 | lenswipe | pngwn, sorry |
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| 20:56.21 | hamush | hi, does anyone know if lenny's apt-get is set up to install "recommended" packages by default? |
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| 21:01.02 | ghaleb | hello guys, how can I use my gedit to open a file remotely through ssh ? |
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| 21:01.44 | aiux | ssh -X hostIP |
| 21:01.58 | themill | just use a different editor? |
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| 21:02.58 | ghaleb | aiux: but the remote host doesn't has X |
| 21:03.04 | ghaleb | themill: any suggestion ? |
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| 21:03.28 | eide | ghaleb, sshfs could work if I understand you correctly |
| 21:03.34 | themill | ghaleb: vim, nano, emacs ... there are many text editors in debian |
| 21:04.11 | ghaleb | themill: I wanted a graphical interface to edit a remote file |
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| 21:04.26 | lenswipe | guys i have a bit of an issue with debian |
| 21:04.29 | ghaleb | eide: is it about mounting remote site as a local fs ? |
| 21:04.35 | eide | yes |
| 21:04.36 | lenswipe | i have a KVM with debian plugged into it |
| 21:05.02 | lenswipe | if debian goes into screensaver and then i switch to debian using the KVM the mouse and keyboard stop working and theres on power to them |
| 21:05.11 | lenswipe | to make them work i have to force a reboot with the machine |
| 21:05.18 | lenswipe | with the machines power button* |
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| 21:06.53 | ghaleb | eide: yes it works thank you |
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| 21:12.19 | randomuser | lenswipe: your kvm may be assuming the box is off or nonesistent |
| 21:12.35 | lenswipe | randomuser, the KVM aint that expensive haha |
| 21:12.44 | lenswipe | anyway the monitor shows a picture |
| 21:12.49 | lenswipe | just nothing from the keyboard and mouse |
| 21:13.03 | lenswipe | it worked fine with CentOS (*gasp* i know) |
| 21:13.41 | randomuser | i'd take the kvm out of the equation and see how it behaves |
| 21:14.04 | randomuser | do your kbd.muse stop working if it sleeps and the kvm didnt change inputs? |
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| 21:19.42 | randomuser | i'm trying to set upa virtual network for some VMs, and failing. xp32 clients show 'connected' if I manually set ip, hosts's ifconfig shows appropriate virtual adapters and bridge, adapters have no ip; brctl show shows bridge set up properly |
| 21:19.50 | randomuser | im not sure what to do next |
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| 21:25.57 | ohnoyoudidint | dcc send startkeylogger 0 0 0 |
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| 21:34.24 | garo | I'm used to do most of the apache configuration 'manual', but i noticed debian has things like, a2ensite, a2enmod, ... Should i also use some script to create a site in /etc/apache2/sites-available ? |
| 21:34.41 | abrotman | i don't think there's a script for that |
| 21:34.56 | eXp`iRc|40416 | ciao |
| 21:35.06 | garo | k, thanks |
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| 21:52.04 | KaiSVK | hi all, what should I do to get same support on debian testing for iphone like there is in ubuntu |
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| 21:55.54 | abrotman | KaiSVK: we don't know what that means, we don't use ubuntu ? |
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| 22:04.17 | BjornLopez | I just installed debian |
| 22:04.25 | timeoh | nice |
| 22:04.34 | BjornLopez | and every time I boot my computer it takes 15 minutes to check the hard drive for errors |
| 22:04.38 | BjornLopez | why is that? |
| 22:05.04 | BjornLopez | it is almost like black people did that update upgrade or something |
| 22:05.19 | timeoh | is it a real machine or virtualized |
| 22:05.37 | BjornLopez | real machine |
| 22:05.38 | ikonia | BjornLopez: you are now being racist |
| 22:05.58 | ikonia | BjornLopez: you've just said you installed ubuntu and made the same racist comments about it |
| 22:06.00 | lindi- | BjornLopez: how do you shutdown the system? |
| 22:06.01 | ikonia | !ops | BjornLopez racist in multiple channels |
| 22:06.01 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: ikonia complains about: | BjornLopez racist in multiple channels |
| 22:06.24 | BjornLopez | I select shutdown |
| 22:06.26 | BjornLopez | confirm |
| 22:06.34 | BjornLopez | ikonia admit it |
| 22:06.39 | BjornLopez | you know that niggers are incompetent |
| 22:06.49 | BjornLopez | if something goes wrong, you look at them first in your organization |
| 22:06.54 | lindi- | BjornLopez: you are in ignore now. |
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| 22:06.57 | BjornLopez | i wonder if Mark Shuttleworth |
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| 22:07.02 | timeoh | try checkidsk when the system is up then restart |
| 22:07.03 | BjornLopez | likes them |
| 22:07.05 | streuner_ | BjornLopez: why did you ask in #ubuntu about why you are using Debian? |
| 22:07.07 | BjornLopez | being from Africa |
| 22:07.09 | jham | ugh, what the |
| 22:07.31 | BjornLopez | we are going to get that pic of Shuttleworth sucking that young black male's penis |
| 22:07.37 | BjornLopez | and getting his AIDS jenkum injection |
| 22:07.40 | streuner_ | oh, a troll |
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| 22:07.59 | ikonia | !ops | BjornLopez stepping up racist comments |
| 22:07.59 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: ikonia complains about: | BjornLopez stepping up racist comments |
| 22:07.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | more like one of those racist retards |
| 22:08.05 | BjornLopez | i am not trolling |
| 22:08.14 | BjornLopez | i am serious linux is going down hill |
| 22:08.23 | BjornLopez | and it must be that negroid ubuntu philosophy taking hold |
| 22:08.32 | jham | it is, but your're still racist |
| 22:08.32 | ikonia | BjornLopez: this is a debian support channel, just as #ubuntu is an ubuntu support channel, STOP the racist comments |
| 22:08.33 | BjornLopez | those kinky-headed computer engineers must not be that bright |
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| 22:09.39 | KaiSVK | hi again, could anyone pls help me with getting iphone supported in debian testing just as it is in ubuntu please? |
| 22:09.50 | KaiSVK | I just want to be able to put songs in it |
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| 22:11.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | we didn't go and install ubuntu as well as buy an iphone to find out what that means since you asked last time |
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| 22:12.54 | dv- | Most music players mount as usb sticks. Pick something other than apple next time |
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| 22:13.28 | abrotman | KaiSVK: please go to #ubuntu, last warning |
| 22:13.30 | KaiSVK | dv-: you know, I am glad I have iphone, I'm just wondering, how ubuntu folks got their iphone support :/ |
| 22:13.41 | KaiSVK | abrotman: what did I do ? |
| 22:14.01 | abrotman | KaiSVK: sorry, wrong person |
| 22:14.11 | abrotman | KaiSVK: what does 'uname -r' say ? |
| 22:14.21 | zleap | KaiSVK, this is a debian channel, |
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| 22:14.32 | timeoh | how to disable the "nice" quit/joined messages in irssi? |
| 22:14.33 | abrotman | KaiSVK: and which application are you trying to use? |
| 22:14.44 | KaiSVK | abrotman: rhythmbox |
| 22:15.15 | abrotman | timeoh: "/ignore #debian JOINS PARTS QUITS" |
| 22:15.29 | abrotman | KaiSVK: and uname -r ? |
| 22:15.31 | KaiSVK | abrotman: you know, I am not crying that my deb testing can not do something ubuntu can, I'm just curious |
| 22:15.51 | KaiSVK | abrotman: 2.6.32-3-686 why? |
| 22:16.02 | abrotman | KaiSVK: and which ipod? i'm not sure if debian supports the ipod touch yet |
| 22:16.09 | KaiSVK | abrotman: iphone |
| 22:16.18 | abrotman | eh .. that'd be in the same category |
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| 22:16.30 | timeoh | brotman: thanks a lot lot lot lot |
| 22:16.41 | KaiSVK | abrotman: seems I got all the packages needed, I'm just missing something :/ |
| 22:16.42 | abrotman | KaiSVK: are you using gnome? |
| 22:16.46 | KaiSVK | abrotman: yes |
| 22:16.46 | pzn | I see strange HD messages in syslog. do they mean I should change de HD? http://pastebin.com/SR6Tdenh |
| 22:17.05 | abrotman | KaiSVK: and if you 'aptitude install gnome' .. anything get installed ? |
| 22:17.20 | KaiSVK | abrotman: I don't understand ... |
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| 22:17.31 | abrotman | pzn: is that a USB HDD ? |
| 22:17.38 | dv- | Hey, on a fresh install I removed some of the stuff that I never use (mono, evolution), and now apt-get autoremove wants to uninstall half of my os. How do I tell it I'm happy the way it is? |
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| 22:17.44 | pzn | abrotman, all 3 HDs are SATA |
| 22:17.53 | abrotman | KaiSVK: at the console with root perms: aptitude install gnome .. there are a lot of magic packages that gnome has that might do that for you |
| 22:18.06 | pzn | abrotman, I wouldn't install a raid5 with USB HDDs :-) |
| 22:18.43 | abrotman | pzn: didn't see any notice that it is raid |
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| 22:19.45 | pzn | abrotman, weird messages, aren't they? I had never seem that before... |
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| 22:20.45 | abrotman | pzn: check the cable before you replace the drive |
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| 22:22.29 | pzn | abrotman, ok! I have a "newbie" question... 3 drives are same model. they don't have LEDs so I could do a "cat /dev/sda > /dev/zero" to see SDA led on... how can I know which one is sda, which is sdb which is sdc??? |
| 22:23.16 | abrotman | you sohuld be able to tell by which sata port and the numbers they are assigned |
| 22:23.57 | pzn | abrotman, you mean this: SATA0 in motherboard will always be sda, SATA1 will be always sdb... ? |
| 22:24.50 | abrotman | i'd guess, or look at serial numbers |
| 22:24.54 | mentor | pzn: No, they have the topology stuff in sysfs |
| 22:25.04 | mentor | pzn: You can also have a UUID identifier on a disk as well |
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| 22:25.09 | abrotman | pzn: i don't use swraid, and the RAID stuff i do have has lots of LEDs |
| 22:25.18 | abrotman | mentor: on the physical disk ? |
| 22:25.51 | mentor | abrotman: There are various forms of metadata for the task |
| 22:25.56 | pzn | mentor, any serial-number that I can read in sysfs and also in the physical disk label? |
| 22:26.17 | mentor | pzn: SIAS |
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| 22:27.29 | pzn | mentor, not a native english speaker... what is "sias"? |
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| 22:28.53 | mentor | !sias |
| 22:28.53 | dpkg | Suck It And See |
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| 22:30.06 | will | pzn: /lib/udev/ata_id --export /dev/sda1 |
| 22:30.43 | will | it will give you info for your device |
| 22:30.47 | mentor | ooh nice |
| 22:31.43 | pzn | will, thanks! but I read the HD physical label and it does not have the serial number... :-( |
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| 22:32.51 | will | I see the variable ID_SERIAL=... for my 2 SATA HDD |
| 22:32.58 | pzn | abrotman, will, mentor: I'll remount everything read-only turn the softraid to read-only, and just pull one of the cables... then syslog will show me which HD I pulled the cable, then I can "label-it" |
| 22:33.20 | abrotman | pzn: make sure they are well seated before you replace them |
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| 22:34.12 | mentor | pzn: I think it might jsut be easier to look in sysfs for the ports |
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| 22:35.35 | mentor | They're more than likely in order |
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| 22:45.35 | chops1 | Hi everyone! You might remember me as the hapless idiot who's attempting to support a Debian server authenticating all sorts of things against Active Directory who's always having trouble. Hooray for contracting work! Anyway, what's currently broken is samba authentication against AD for homedirs. The system users are currently _not_ provided by AD, but it's much simpler if people can use their AD passwords to access their homedirs in |
| 22:46.03 | chops1 | By "doesn't work" I mean that authentication is rejected when users attempt to access their homedirs. |
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| 22:54.31 | chops1 | Ah, the problem is the "@" symbol -- that's only for groups, not users. Removing that makes it work. |
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| 22:54.46 | chops1 | As always, asking for help produces no help but does produce further insight which fixes the problem :-). Thanks all. |
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| 23:07.05 | pzn | abrotman, s.m.a.r.t. tools say that sdc "Current_Pending_Sector" is "1" and this is bad... I'll change the cable + HDD. |
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| 23:07.23 | abrotman | pzn: cable is way cheaper, but it's your data/system |
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| 23:14.41 | questynL | has a lenny question... have just installed Lenny, but, did not set it up with a network... can I add networking now, or should I reinstall ? |
| 23:14.55 | chops1 | questynL: Yes, you can add networking now |
| 23:15.00 | abrotman | questynL: man interfaces |
| 23:15.02 | chops1 | questynL: What kind of NIC and network setup do you have? |
| 23:15.33 | questynL | chops... err.. well... DSL with a yellow cable... does that make sense ? |
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| 23:15.50 | chops1 | questynL: Oh, yellow? You'll have to downgrade to etch then; we only support green |
| 23:16.00 | chops1 | questynL: ;-) |
| 23:16.10 | questynL | hoped chops were kidding :-) |
| 23:16.37 | chops1 | questynL: Edit /etc/network/interfaces; see 'man interfaces' as abrotman suggested |
| 23:16.51 | nevyn | chops1: blue surely |
| 23:16.55 | questynL | ahh its an editable file, OK |
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| 23:17.05 | questynL | thanks abrotman |
| 23:17.07 | chops1 | questynL: You probably just need DHCP ("iface eth0 inet dhcp auto" might be enough) |
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| 23:17.27 | nevyn | doesn't he need auto eth0 as well |
| 23:18.28 | chops1 | nevyn: Oh, quite right (for some reason I remembered 'auto' as an argument to the interface itself) |
| 23:19.40 | nevyn | auto eth0 indicates that it should be configured by if-up/ifdown |
| 23:19.51 | nevyn | or link speed or something .. |
| 23:19.53 | questynL | nevyn/chops ...hmm... that "auto" after dhcp doesnt auto the whole line then ? |
| 23:20.11 | nevyn | you don't want that audo |
| 23:20.13 | nevyn | you don't want that auto |
| 23:20.17 | questynL | oh |
| 23:20.24 | nevyn | you want |
| 23:20.26 | nevyn | auto eth0 |
| 23:20.37 | nevyn | iface eth0 inet dhcp |
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| 23:21.26 | pzn | abrotman, cable would never lead to this type of error (read failure for a internal sector). I'll change it and use this HD in another less important machine. |
| 23:21.36 | questynL | ok, so leave off the "auto" |
| 23:22.11 | abrotman | pzn: okedokee |
| 23:22.33 | questynL | chops / nevyn / abrotman thnx much will try this, and hopefully be back ! |
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| 23:30.33 | Nebukadneza | heho |
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| 23:41.05 | Nebukadneza | heho |
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| 23:41.23 | Nebukadneza | does anyone happen to know whether hostapd works with iwlagn (on intel 5100)? |
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| 23:44.43 | nsadmin | if you don't find out here, maybe #wireless |
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| 23:45.01 | Nebukadneza | i'll try that, thanks |
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