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| 00:01.53 | donk | hihi ^_^ |
| 00:03.13 | donk | craigevil: thanks for the comment |
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| 00:03.44 | donk | now im going to see if i can get bashcompletion integrated, it's more complicated then i thought it would be >_< |
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| 00:05.11 | fluorine | whi, is there a reason why i'm getting "kernel panic: VFS: unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0)" messages even after i've invoked update-initramfs on the kernel i want to boot? |
| 00:05.41 | nevyn | kernel regressions :( |
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| 00:06.01 | donk | flourine, what kind of partition is it? |
| 00:06.13 | donk | ext3 /ext4 /raid ? |
| 00:06.14 | fluorine | donk: root? it's ext3 |
| 00:06.21 | nevyn | 2.6.32-3 doesn't boot on my mediacentre because of changes to ahci when using both the parallel and sata ports |
| 00:06.24 | fluorine | no raid, just plain old ext3 |
| 00:06.37 | donk | that sucks dude :p |
| 00:07.00 | fluorine | explain your line of reasoning |
| 00:07.26 | donk | well i figured if it was ext4 then the kernel might not support it |
| 00:07.53 | lindi- | donk: that would give different error messages |
| 00:08.42 | Bac0n | i think the order of the disk change when you changed to ahci |
| 00:09.06 | Bac0n | do you use UUID or /dev/sd |
| 00:09.09 | Bac0n | X |
| 00:09.34 | lindi- | fluorine: which kernel is it? |
| 00:09.43 | fluorine | Bac0n: sd*. also, i'm looking at this line in the kconfig of the misbehaving kernel: "# CONFIG_SATA_AHCI is not set" |
| 00:09.57 | fluorine | lindi-: 2.6.34-rc6... |
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| 00:10.12 | lindi- | fluorine: you built it yourself? |
| 00:10.15 | fluorine | prepares for the "We don't support non-repo kernels" schpiel |
| 00:10.31 | fluorine | lindi-: with make-kpkg --initrd, followed by update-initramfs, yes. |
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| 00:10.48 | Bac0n | i think you answered your own Q |
| 00:11.18 | fluorine | i'm not following |
| 00:11.28 | Bac0n | CONFIG_SATA_AHCI is not set |
| 00:11.44 | lindi- | Bac0n: kernel sata support should not matter. initrd is loaded by boot loader. |
| 00:12.00 | fluorine | Bac0n: neither is it on the kconfig of the current version |
| 00:12.45 | fluorine | i should probably mention that "serial 00:09: unable to assign resources" prefixed the kernel panic line... |
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| 00:13.19 | fluorine | anyway, i came here to make sure that there weren't more initramfs oddities with debian that could be the possible cause |
| 00:13.24 | lindi- | fluorine: why did you invoke update-initramfs btw? doesn't installing the package do it automatically? |
| 00:13.50 | fluorine | lindi-: no, it doesn't anymore -- part of the "oddities" |
| 00:14.03 | lindi- | fluorine: that sounds like a bug you should report |
| 00:14.19 | lindi- | fluorine: solve it before going any further |
| 00:15.08 | fluorine | lindi-: it's been like this for a while. i asked about this when i tried to compile 2.6.31 (the one i'm using now), and was told that manual invocation of update-initramfs was a feature, not a bug |
| 00:15.26 | lindi- | fluorine: who told you? |
| 00:15.49 | fluorine | gosh. i honestly don't remember. this was over a year ago. |
| 00:16.02 | donk | sounds like a microsoft line |
| 00:16.07 | lindi- | fluorine: sounds very odd to me |
| 00:16.14 | lindi- | i'd like to get a quote from the maintainer |
| 00:16.37 | fluorine | lindi-: haven't you make-kpkg-ed recently? this would definitely be a problem you'd have run into |
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| 00:16.53 | donk | funny, i use make-kpkg kernel_image, then dpkg -i the resulting kernel |
| 00:16.58 | lindi- | fluorine: yes on 2.6.32 |
| 00:17.09 | lindi- | fluorine: and it runs update-initramfs |
| 00:17.14 | lindi- | lenny |
| 00:17.31 | fluorine | squeeze here. on second though, maybe going the extra step of invoking update-initramfs could be the problem |
| 00:17.53 | lindi- | fluorine: file it as a bug and we'll see what sort orf reply you get |
| 00:17.58 | fluorine | lindi-: http://old.nabble.com/missing-the-initrd-file-in-the-kernel-package-td23304620.html |
| 00:18.03 | fluorine | note the timestamp |
| 00:18.06 | frostschutz | fluorine: custom kernel? if sata driver and ext3 support is builtin, you dont need initramfs at all |
| 00:18.40 | Bac0n | you dont need the ahci driver for it to boot ? |
| 00:18.48 | lindi- | frostschutz: but then initramfs hooks won't work either |
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| 00:19.20 | frostschutz | what hooks now? |
| 00:19.27 | fluorine | frostschutz: CONFIG_EXT3_FS=y, is that it? what is the config line for sata? |
| 00:20.26 | lindi- | frostschutz: iki.fi/lindi/darcs/vtgrab-initramfs is an example :) |
| 00:20.30 | frostschutz | fluorine: if you're using ahci, CONFIG_SATA_AHCI=y - otherwise it depends on your controller |
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| 00:24.26 | Bac0n | atleased on my motherboard if i change from sata something to ahci my port get changed so if you have sd* you may need to change that |
| 00:24.51 | frostschutz | Bac0n: onboard raid? |
| 00:25.37 | frostschutz | fluorine: also, CONFIG_BLK_DEV_SD=y |
| 00:25.44 | Bac0n | i have thee options sata only, ahci, raid |
| 00:25.59 | fluorine | frostschutz: =m |
| 00:26.56 | fluorine | ok, rebooting. |
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| 00:43.35 | Varanger | hi! |
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| 00:43.45 | Varanger | how do I enable KMS in Debian testing??? |
| 00:43.56 | abrotman | probably already enabled ? |
| 00:44.12 | abrotman | or not |
| 00:44.46 | Varanger | abrotman: It isn't enabled: [drm] radeon defaulting to userspace modesetting. |
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| 00:45.13 | abrotman | Varanger: you'd have to recompile the kernel i guess |
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| 00:45.34 | Varanger | abrotman: too difficult !!! |
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| 00:45.55 | \amethyst | Anyone using xserver-xorg-video-radeon in sid? I just saw bug #575274 ... which kernel do I need to run it? |
| 00:46.08 | \amethyst | version 1:6.12.192-2 that is |
| 00:46.19 | crazyfrog | In gnome desktop,which software is suitable for reading pdf file? |
| 00:46.37 | abrotman | dpkg: dbugs 575274 |
| 00:46.40 | abrotman | crazyfrog: evince |
| 00:46.41 | dpkg | #575274:S[xserver-xorg-video-radeon] xserver-xorg-video-radeon: Not fit for testing migration yet (); Wed, 24 Mar 2010 16:36:07 UTC [] |
| 00:47.02 | \amethyst | I'm currently running 1:6.12.5-1 which works with 2.6.30, but doesn't appear to work with 2.6.32 |
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| 00:47.13 | crazyfrog | i have installed that,but it did not work |
| 00:47.28 | \amethyst | abrotman: the report says "Wait for the kernel to be ready in testing before migrating" |
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| 00:48.06 | boboysdadda | crazyfrog try foxit |
| 00:48.24 | wols | crazyfrog: evince |
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| 00:50.05 | fluorine | frostschutz: you were right about not needing the initramfs if the sata drivers were compiled monolithically instead of modularly. i set the appropriate SATA lines to =y and presto, boot. thanks! |
| 00:50.24 | fluorine | lindi-, Bac0n: thank you as well |
| 00:50.29 | Bac0n | :)= |
| 00:50.47 | fluorine | quit |
| 00:51.52 | abrotman | \amethyst: there's no "applies to version" at the top ? |
| 00:52.51 | \amethyst | abrotman: found in version 1:6.12.192-2, but that doesn't say which kernel it's waiting on |
| 00:53.04 | \amethyst | I guess I'll try upgrading to the latest sid kernel too |
| 00:53.23 | crazyfrog | i have installed evince,but it can not open pdf file,it seems that there are some config file missing |
| 00:53.48 | \amethyst | I've not been keeping up with my updates |
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| 00:54.18 | abrotman | \amethyst: well, given the date, i'd say that kernel is already in testing |
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| 00:54.25 | Appetite | Is it possible to run a command when Watchdog recognizes an ethernet connection has been established? I need to dhclient when the connection is established |
| 00:54.35 | abrotman | \amethyst: or the kernel in unstable wasn't ready yet ? |
| 00:55.02 | \amethyst | abrotman: well, I'm currently running 2.6.30 because 2.6.32 didn't appear to work with the version of radeon I had been using |
| 00:55.19 | \amethyst | abrotman: I do have 2.6.32 installed though, so I'll try it out |
| 00:55.28 | abrotman | \amethyst: currently that's -3- in testing |
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| 00:57.25 | \amethyst | abrotman: yeah, -3 is the one I currently have installed; I'll make sure I upgrade to -5 and reboot before restarting X |
| 00:57.37 | \amethyst | (installed, but not running, that is) |
| 00:59.05 | donk | btw sidux people it's me kmonk / knifemonk / knifemonkey fyi :) |
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| 01:03.58 | donk | bbl' |
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| 01:10.01 | Appetite | Is it possible to run a command when Watchdog recognizes an ethernet connection has been established? I need to dhclient when the connection is established |
| 01:10.47 | abrotman | you can run a command when a connectoin is established .. if that helps |
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| 01:12.22 | Appetite | abrotman: how though? |
| 01:12.53 | abrotman | Appetite: man interfaces |
| 01:14.17 | Appetite | abrotman: it says i can do it as a post-up option, but where do i specify this |
| 01:14.27 | abrotman | in the .. interfaces file ? |
| 01:14.40 | Appetite | which is where thouh? |
| 01:14.42 | Appetite | though |
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| 01:15.53 | boboysdadda | what is closest to mirc for kde desktop? i am not liking chatzilla |
| 01:16.05 | streuner_ | X-Chat |
| 01:16.08 | boboysdadda | ty |
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| 03:12.02 | zophy | is there a way to make the gnome desktop icons on rge desktop smaller ? |
| 03:14.36 | simonrvn | in your prefs, under system ... |
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| 03:18.18 | \amethyst | hm... somehow during updates my /usr/include/linux/ had most of the files disappear |
| 03:18.40 | \amethyst | it's not clear how that happened, as linux-libc-dev is still installed |
| 03:18.48 | \amethyst | and some of the files are still there |
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| 03:21.44 | simonrvn | o_O |
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| 03:33.51 | simonrvn | so what happened? |
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| 03:35.53 | \amethyst | no clue... I'm waiting for the install to finish so I can reinstall linux-libc-dev |
| 03:37.10 | \amethyst | but this made at least one dkms run fail, because configure "couldn't find a working preprocessor" (because the test program failed when it tried to #include <limits.h>, which pulls in linux/limits.h) |
| 03:37.53 | boboysdadda | just got kamefu working with xsnes9x as the emulator trying to play a rom. it loads but no sound. anyone have any ideas on how to get the sound to work? |
| 03:39.36 | zrin | how can I find PAGE_OFFSET for the running kernel? |
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| 03:41.05 | simonrvn | yikes |
| 03:41.47 | kmyst | anybody know of a way to recover files accidently deleted from an ext3 filesystem? the files removed are unknown but around 2 gigs were lost |
| 03:42.29 | zrin | kmyst: there is ext2 undelete |
| 03:42.54 | zrin | but... (as always there is a "but...") |
| 03:43.04 | kmyst | zrin: i figured there was a but |
| 03:43.47 | zrin | if there weren't many writes to the fs after deletion recovery might go very well |
| 03:44.56 | kmyst | zrin: nope i realized what happened the second it happened and did a ctrl+c on the rm -rf * and unmounted the disk, it hasn |
| 03:44.59 | kmyst | hasn |
| 03:45.11 | kmyst | has not been touched since |
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| 03:45.18 | zrin | good |
| 03:45.51 | zrin | copy it with dd, then you can try different recovery techniques |
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| 03:47.59 | kmyst | zrin: well all i can run across was photorec and foremost which aren't overly helpful since they are geared towards images and docs etc. what i wiped out was 2 gigs of random stuff that quite possibly could contain anything file wise |
| 03:48.37 | zrin | kmyst: try ext2 undelete tool |
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| 03:50.12 | kmyst | zrin: checking it out atm |
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| 03:51.52 | \amethyst | simonrvn: unfortunately that was a batch of 600+ packages I upgraded, so I'm not likely to figure out which one caused the problem |
| 03:52.12 | \amethyst | simonrvn: I just reinstalled linux-libc-dev and all appears to be fine again |
| 03:52.47 | \amethyst | it's the first command listed there in fact :) |
| 03:52.48 | \amethyst | doh |
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| 03:55.40 | aschneiderg | Hi there, I'm getting a icmp_seq=1 Destination Host Unreachable from host when ping to the gateway |
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| 03:56.22 | aschneiderg | I'm on a static environment, C class network, and my setup works for any other Debian machines |
| 03:56.31 | aschneiderg | I will appreciate any suggestions about it. |
| 03:56.33 | aschneiderg | thanks. |
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| 04:18.35 | echosystm | does anyone know how to make the ssh client disconnect? |
| 04:18.46 | echosystm | the man page says it should be ~. |
| 04:18.58 | echosystm | but whenever i do this, it just types that into the terminal |
| 04:20.04 | boboysdadda | does anyone know how to get the sound in kamefu and snes9x working |
| 04:21.01 | echosystm | heh, nevermind, escape char is disabled by default |
| 04:21.42 | SerajewelKS | echosystm: exit from the shell on the other end, or kill the ssh process |
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| 04:28.13 | echosystm | http://linuxgravity.com/ssh-escape-character |
| 04:28.15 | echosystm | none of these work |
| 04:28.20 | echosystm | how do i get them to work? |
| 04:28.32 | echosystm | ive already uncommented escapechar in /etc/ssh/ssh_config |
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| 04:42.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | works fine for me |
| 04:42.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | they (obviously) only work directly after a newline |
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| 04:50.28 | johnfg | Where is the traditional config file for php, the php.ini file? All I can find is the /etc/php5/cli/php.ini. |
| 04:52.56 | D-Boy | johnfg : if you're using apache2 then a php.ini should be in /etc/php5/apache2/ |
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| 05:03.22 | johnfg | D-Boy, Ok, do you know is php5 on lenny configured --with-ldap-sasl=DIR |
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| 05:03.51 | johnfg | Looks like maybe it would be a compile vs. a configure option. |
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| 05:05.46 | SuperMiguel | after installing a gmd, is there a way to disable it so system will boot to terminal? |
| 05:05.59 | D-Boy | johnfg : i couldn't tell |
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| 05:07.22 | johnfg | I've got gssapi working for openldap, and it's available to do SASL with phpldapadmin, but it's got to have the --with-ldap-sasl=DIR. |
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| 05:17.46 | Appl6 | johnfg: I have no knowledge of PHP whatsoever. But maybe this will help you: http://php.net/manual/en/function.phpinfo.php |
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| 05:19.23 | mobidev | hi to all |
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| 05:35.47 | JohnnyL | Where can I find a resource on the net that shows me how to take out none used apps at startup for debian. like how..and what? |
| 05:36.06 | JohnnyL | I only have 384 megs of ram (hehe 'only') |
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| 05:43.41 | jkjkdaiv | hi |
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| 05:54.22 | turtle_ | does apt not have Simplied Chinese Font Pack for Acroread in the APT Repositories? |
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| 06:04.02 | turtle_ | Im guessing thats a no? |
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| 06:11.40 | JohnnyL | hi |
| 06:12.33 | thrashold | If I buy 1 TB external HDD, what's the best way to format the disk to achieve interoperability with Windows (e.g. so that the disk can be read on Windows machines?) NTFS-3G, UDF? |
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| 06:14.07 | lindi- | thrashold: with ext2fsd you can read/write ext2 in windows. |
| 06:14.10 | nevyn | thrashold: format it ntfs on windows. |
| 06:14.27 | nevyn | then use ntfs3g to read/write it on linux |
| 06:14.38 | thrashold | lindi-: I know, but I can't force people to install the ext2 driver :) |
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| 06:15.43 | lindi- | thrashold: just make autorun install it? :P |
| 06:15.53 | nevyn | lindi-: that's EVIL. |
| 06:15.55 | nevyn | I like it. |
| 06:16.09 | thrashold | Yeah, I considered something like this, but it *is* evil :P |
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| 06:16.18 | nevyn | (except I don't really) I returned my wd mypassport SE because of autorun hidden stuff |
| 06:16.37 | project2501a | hey guys: in order to run xen, do i just install the -xen kernel? |
| 06:16.53 | JohnnyL | Where can I find a resource on the net that shows me how to take out none used apps at startup for debian. like how..and what? |
| 06:17.00 | project2501a | just for dom0 |
| 06:17.37 | thrashold | But I don't like NTFS-3G because last time I benchmarked it, things didn't go well :) And besides, I would use this mostly on my Debian boxes |
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| 06:19.46 | nevyn | JohnnyL: only you can determine what's unusued |
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| 06:20.14 | JohnnyL | nevyn: oh |
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| 06:37.52 | dirkson | Hey all. My favorite window manager has started recommending that [useless cruft packages] be installed. How do I tell debian "Screw that package, don't install its useless cruft" |
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| 06:38.13 | karsten | dirkson: put a hold on the package. |
| 06:39.03 | dirkson | karsten: Well, if some other package /needs/ this cruft, I don't want to stop it from being installed. |
| 06:39.26 | karsten | dirkson: You'll be prompted. |
| 06:39.48 | dirkson | karsten: Ok. Are you aware of any resources that explain how to put a hold on packages? |
| 06:39.49 | karsten | dirkson: IIRC. man aptitude for the details. |
| 06:39.55 | Dewi | dirkson: a hold isn't strong enough to break the system |
| 06:40.40 | dirkson | looks this up |
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| 06:40.48 | karsten | dirkson: aptitude mapage, there are some Debian guides ont http://www.debian.org/ under docs. I'm not in a good position to look for you right now. |
| 06:41.06 | Dewi | dirkson: from memory press equals (=) for a hold |
| 06:41.16 | dirkson | I find it very odd that a lot of things I wish to do in debian, there just /isn't/ an elegant way to do it. Export something, then re-import it? Why isn't it already a config file somewhere? |
| 06:41.53 | dirkson | Hmm. I guess aptitude has a more elegant method than dpkg. |
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| 06:46.22 | dirkson | After putting those packages on hold, attempting to install my window manager still attempts to install the cruft |
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| 06:50.14 | frewsxcv | i have an issue doing an upgrade to testing, that udev is not supported in the latest kernel |
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| 06:53.50 | frewsxcv | what should my sources.lsit look like if i'm using debian testing |
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| 06:59.27 | hid3 | Morning everyone. Is there any software to force ethernet link go up or down? |
| 07:00.24 | AimHere | Well ifup/ifdown or ifconfig will stop Debian being able to talk over that link |
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| 07:03.28 | hid3 | yeah but.. |
| 07:03.39 | hid3 | ifup/ifdown just does a 'software' down |
| 07:04.00 | hid3 | is there any way to do a 'hardware' down so that the other side (the switch) will see that the link is down? |
| 07:04.12 | dondelelcaro | hid3: uh... ifdown brings the link down |
| 07:04.13 | JohnnyL | nevyn: How about the default startup? |
| 07:04.13 | hid3 | And will do something? Like send an SNMP Trap, etc... |
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| 07:05.12 | simonrvn | yes |
| 07:06.07 | hid3 | dondelelcaro: but in fact the link on the other side shows as 'up'. Isn't there a way to force it really go down, at least for a moment? I mean so that the leds on the switch would show it's doen |
| 07:06.57 | simonrvn | unplug the cat5 cable |
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| 07:07.23 | hid3 | ha ha. The machine is 50+ miles away from me :( |
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| 07:08.11 | simonrvn | check your snmp, you'll see. |
| 07:08.38 | simonrvn | depending on the quality it may show as up or down... |
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| 07:09.11 | hid3 | it doesn't show up... |
| 07:09.19 | hid3 | That's why I'm ashking :D |
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| 07:32.50 | kingsley | How would you determine which device, if any, the kernel sees a newly plugged in USB camera as? "lsusb -v" reported nothing obvious. "ls /dev/sd*" reported two devices that aren't mounted. How would you determine which device, if any, the kernel sees a newly plugged in USB camera as? |
| 07:33.26 | cahoot | kingsley: unplug/replug; dmesg? |
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| 07:34.21 | kingsley | cahoot: I may owe you an apology for not mentioning that dmeg and /var/log/messages also reported nothing. |
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| 07:35.29 | cahoot | kingsley: no difference if you turn on power (on the camera)? |
| 07:36.27 | kingsley | just realized that the two devices reported by "ls /dev/ds*" are disk partitions unrelated to the USB camera. |
| 07:36.52 | kingsley | cahoot: I have not yet tried turning on the camera, but I will. |
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| 07:37.54 | hid3 | Any updates on the Squeeze release date? |
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| 07:38.39 | kingsley | cahoot: I'm happy to report that turning on the camera worked. Thank you. |
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| 07:39.20 | teckrock | any body help me on pxeboot...? |
| 07:39.29 | teckrock | any ref site or doc |
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| 08:12.03 | alcohol | mornin' folks! |
| 08:12.28 | alcohol | g00se: bwah? |
| 08:13.12 | alcohol | g00se: just move current sources list to tmp file and put temp sources in main file? |
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| 08:22.23 | x-t-c | is it possible to have conky window with all commands (minimize/maximize/close)? |
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| 08:26.04 | ribasushi | if I get the source of a package, patch it, and make a deb out of it |
| 08:26.26 | ribasushi | how can I bump the version by an extra digit or something, so it is distinct from the official debian stuff? |
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| 08:26.37 | ribasushi | (but at the same time I want the next version that comes along to obsolete it) |
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| 08:40.22 | rvsjoen | permission denied is pretty clear... |
| 08:40.37 | rvsjoen | check user and permissions |
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| 08:43.31 | eryn_1983 | is there some reason exim and its email buddies are installed on my debian lenny box as default |
| 08:43.42 | eryn_1983 | and why does at depend on them? |
| 08:43.50 | petemc | some things depend on mail-transport-agent |
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| 08:44.40 | eryn_1983 | its exim.. |
| 08:44.45 | Bushmills | eryn_1983: with an external smtp server available, you can replace those against an smtp forwarder |
| 08:44.46 | deryj | I have a synaptic/apt problem: One package (MySQLl Server 5.0) left the apt database corrupted. It never installed properly. I tried to unmark it but this fails; synaptic tries to remove it and returns an error. Any suggestion? |
| 08:44.58 | petemc | eryn_1983: exim is a mail transport agent |
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| 08:45.05 | petemc | the debian default one |
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| 08:45.06 | lindi- | deryj: "an error"? |
| 08:45.08 | eryn_1983 | hang on... |
| 08:45.21 | petern_ | you can, of course, just install a different MTA |
| 08:45.31 | deryj | error code 1 |
| 08:45.46 | lindi- | deryj: bit more context would help, use pastebin |
| 08:45.57 | deryj | will do... |
| 08:46.13 | eryn_1983 | i removed exim4-daemon-light, bsd-mailx,mailx, and at |
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| 08:46.40 | eryn_1983 | there is no email going o9n this server, i dont see why i need em. cant i reinstall as a dependencie if i need those again? |
| 08:46.55 | eryn_1983 | i dont want port 25 open at all |
| 08:47.00 | eryn_1983 | i have no idea why it is.. |
| 08:47.08 | eryn_1983 | well i though those apps were the reason |
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| 08:47.38 | deryj | sudo apt-get install mysql-server-5.0Reading package lists... Done |
| 08:47.38 | deryj | Building dependency tree |
| 08:47.38 | deryj | Reading state information... Done |
| 08:47.38 | deryj | The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required: |
| 08:47.38 | deryj | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:47.39 | deryj | Use 'apt-get autoremove' to remove them. |
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| 08:47.39 | petern_ | a local MTA is required for those programs to be able to send email |
| 08:47.57 | petern_ | however, you could just install something like ssmtp |
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| 08:48.27 | deryj | invoke-rc.d: initscript mysql, action "stop" failed. |
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| 08:48.28 | deryj | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/mysql-server-5.0_5.0.51a-3ubuntu5.5_lpia.deb (--unpack): |
| 08:48.28 | dpkg | deryj: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
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| 08:48.32 | deryj | /etc/lsb-base-logging.sh: line 84: INITOUTPUT: unbound variable |
| 08:48.34 | deryj | invoke-rc.d: initscript mysql, action "stop" failed. |
| 08:48.38 | deryj | /etc/lsb-base-logging.sh: line 84: INITOUTPUT: unbound variable |
| 08:48.40 | deryj | invoke-rc.d: initscript mysql, action "start" failed. |
| 08:48.42 | eryn_1983 | they are just taking up space then? |
| 08:48.42 | deryj | dpkg: error while cleaning up: |
| 08:48.42 | dpkg | bugger all, i dunno, deryj |
| 08:48.44 | deryj | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:48.46 | deryj | Errors were encountered while processing: |
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| 08:48.50 | deryj | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 08:48.57 | JohnnyL | what config files do I need to change in order to take out startup-load stuff? |
| 08:49.01 | petern_ | eryn_1983, what are you refering to with "they" here? |
| 08:49.13 | lindi- | deryj: that is ubuntu, not debian. |
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| 08:49.38 | petern_ | deryj, this is an irc windows, not a pastebin |
| 08:49.41 | petern_ | -s |
| 08:49.44 | eryn_1983 | thanks |
| 08:49.53 | lindi- | deryj: so report a bug against ubuntu and/or ask on #ubuntu |
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| 08:50.26 | awesome_guest | hi I have a shiny new vps.. but am kind of a noob at administering |
| 08:50.50 | awesome_guest | could someone point me to a few (fairly comprehensive) security resources? |
| 08:51.02 | eryn_1983 | those email services? |
| 08:51.54 | nick[0] | deryj: I'm pretty sure that those errors are related to Ubuntu's replacement for init. Consider "sudo start gdm" instead of "sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start". It looks like mysql's installation is running into problems with non-standard init--just a guess. |
| 08:53.06 | deryj | Thanx |
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| 08:54.30 | Bushmills | awesome_guest: iptables howto |
| 08:55.28 | awesome_guest | Bushmills: thanks. Do you know of a book or similar document that is well-regarded and current? |
| 08:56.09 | nick[0] | awesome_guest: google for hardening debian, hardening linux, and search amazon for both of these. Also search amazon for O'Reilly's Linux Server Security |
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| 08:57.22 | Worf | awesome_guest: i fear it's next to impossible to create a comprehensive resource for "everything that is possible". you have to ask yourself what services you want to run on your vps and then find resources that cover security issues of that services. |
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| 08:58.15 | awesome_guest | Worf: that's reasonable. it's meant to be a web server |
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| 08:58.26 | nick[0] | here's my question: For Squeeze, are udev rules prefered to hal rules? Following the thinkwiki howto, I wrote a rule in /etc/udev/... it works when udevadm triggers it, but isn't run on boot or resume for hibernate. What's going on? |
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| 09:01.07 | Pirate_Hunter | hi i've got backed up files on a server which are backed up as .tgz is there a way for me to explore inside the .tgz file and extract the folder I want?, if there is can someone provide the commands, thanks |
| 09:01.30 | awesome_guest | has anyone used the security guide the NSA published for redhat? |
| 09:01.34 | awesome_guest | useful? |
| 09:02.33 | Worf | awesome_guest: since i assume you won't server static html you will propably quickly find yourself in the mailing lists / forum / whatever of the web stuff you use and keep updating them on a regular basis because that will be your nr.1 problem |
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| 09:04.20 | nick[0] | Pirate_Hunter: the downside of tarballs is that they must be sequentially accessed (like tape drives...you can't randomly seek inside of them) tar -tf file.tar lists the contents. tar -xf file.tar directory/subdirectory/file extracts that particular file |
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| 09:04.57 | nick[0] | Pirate_Hunter: if the file is towards the end of the tarball...you'll have to wait a while for it to show up when listening with -t, or when extracting with -x |
| 09:05.13 | awesome_guest | Worf: alright, just like every other time. thanks |
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| 09:05.42 | nick[0] | Pirate_Hunter: eg: tar has to process the first 5GB of your archive to extract 100Kb at the end |
| 09:06.18 | Pirate_Hunter | nick[0], errrh not what I wanted to read but I guess it makes sense still unpacking 17GB just for one folder... can you suggest another backing method that is more effective when attempting what I am doing now |
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| 09:07.14 | nick[0] | would anyone like to help me debug this (probably trivial) udev issue (the rule triggered by anything during boot) |
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| 09:08.22 | nick[0] | Pirate_Hunter: if you want the fastest random access, I'd recommend rsync snapshots, using hardlinks to save space (do you want to run you backup from cron, or manually?). 'give me a sec to send you two useful commands |
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| 09:10.21 | Pirate_Hunter | nick[0], thanks, once in a while I have to backup folders that aren't accessed often hopefully never but if they need to be would like to be able to extract what is needed, will check the rsync method. Now I got the issue that I've found the directory inside the tar but I need to look inside it and find as well as find out its size. |
| 09:10.47 | Pirate_Hunter | tar doesn't seem to be the most pleasant method of backing up |
| 09:11.08 | Worf | awesome_guest: for example: ssh access is as secure as your password. using key authentication plus fail2ban and you have something really really save. Set up a web server with some php portal software and you will constantly need to monitor what is going on. (script kiddies trying to auto-register and spam your forum, or doing other nasty things) |
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| 09:11.29 | [Jasper] | hej guys, anyon here using fcgid with apache2? |
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| 09:12.36 | awesome_guest | Worf: it'll just be some php scripts + html, perhaps mysql |
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| 09:13.37 | awesome_guest | I am using an external API and infrastructure (facebook), so there are probably additional issues introduced |
| 09:13.50 | nick[0] | Pirate_Hunter: mm, I know what you mean, but tar is good for long-term stuff that you don't need to access (compressed with xz or lzma) So here are those two commands: run "cp -rl old_snapshot_dir `date +%y-%m-%d`" on your backup server, and then rsync --progress -aH -e 'ssh -ax' /source server:/destination/`date +%y-%m-%d`" |
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| 09:14.37 | nick[0] | Pirate_Hunter: on your laptop/source machine. Or you can cut out the "-e 'ssh -ax' bit to make it local-only |
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| 09:15.03 | nick[0] | Pirate_Hunter: rsnapshot is a nice, convenient way to do scheduled backups using this method |
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| 09:15.34 | lindi- | nick[0]: it is better to rsync -a foo:/bar /backup/latest && cp -al /backup/latest /backup/$(date -I) |
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| 09:15.49 | lindi- | nick[0]: that way if the backup is interrupted for some reason you won't end up with an incomplete backup |
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| 09:16.05 | Pirate_Hunter | nick[0], thanks will try that on fututure backups at least it will be simpler |
| 09:16.15 | Worf | awesome_guest: you know what a SQL injection is? |
| 09:16.25 | dbbolton | is there a perl module that i can use to determine whether a specific package is installed? |
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| 09:18.12 | lindi- | nick[0]: and if the host your are backup up is down it'll fail early and not only after having copied a large hardlink tree |
| 09:18.23 | lindi- | s/backup up/backuping up/ |
| 09:18.57 | awesome_guest | Worf: yes, although frankly I haven't been doing this long enough to have been a victim |
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| 09:19.33 | nick[0] | lindi-: it would also work better if the day changes...I hadn't gotten around to working through that issue. Thanks :-) |
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| 09:22.40 | crazyfrog | in squeeze environment,how to configure vi to support python file?in lenny i can install vim-python |
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| 09:23.00 | nick[0] | lindi-: btw, do you know why a udev rule wouldn't run on boot? (it's for a trackpoint) could it be that psmouse hasn't been loaded yet? |
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| 09:24.46 | lindi- | nick[0]: what sort of rule? |
| 09:25.25 | pyrophelia | how do I use scp to copy recursively but, without following symlinks? |
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| 09:27.37 | nick[0] | lindi-: it's the rule thinkwiki suggests naming "10-trackpoint.rules" It has a subsystem, and a drivers entry, and it sets two attributes. udevadm test /sys/devices/... triggers it, but for some reason it doesn't trigger on it's own |
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| 09:28.21 | arghh11 | please help - simple question - i just new installed / bootstraped - i don't want X11 - no, please no never - its supposed to be a console only server: How can i avoid that the x11 deps are installed (on apt-get), fe. my first packet to install is sshd (deps like libx11, x11-common) something like "WITHOUT_X11=yes" ? |
| 09:28.34 | nick[0] | lindi-: the rule depends on the modules psmouse, and thinkpad_acpi |
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| 09:29.16 | vdelau | Hi all, is there a tool that can monitor services and take actions when they are not (yet) available? I have a complex set of machines running on a VPS host. When the VPS host does a mass reboot, not all dependencies are met when services start up. |
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| 09:30.39 | crazyfrog | in squeeze environment,how to configure vi to support python file?in lenny i can install vim-python |
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| 09:32.48 | nick[0] | vdelau: is inetd flexible enough for your purposes? |
| 09:33.28 | vdelau | nick[0]: no, I'm talking Dovecot, postfix, mysql, nfs, nis etcetera |
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| 09:33.37 | arghh11 | hm hello ? is there anyone NOT using X11 ? i mean - someone of you maybe runs a webserver or a database server - you realy installed x11 + x11libs on that ? hmpf |
| 09:35.26 | nick[0] | vdelau: that's what inetd is for -> http://wiki.dovecot.org/InetdInstall (xinetd also "has the ability to redirect TCP streams to a remote host and port.") |
| 09:35.30 | lindi- | arghh11: why do you want to avoid x? |
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| 09:36.15 | lindi- | arghh11: openssh-server only recommends xauth |
| 09:36.24 | lindi- | arghh11: it is not a dependency |
| 09:36.57 | vdelau | nick[0]: example: I need to detect loss (or not booting) of NFS shares and reconnect. Can't do that with inetd can I? |
| 09:37.17 | lindi- | arghh11: Apt::Install-Recommends to disable automatic installation of recommends |
| 09:37.44 | vdelau | is looking at monit |
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| 09:38.44 | eryn_1983 | hey peeps i need some help... i forgot how i configured my ssh+ldap authentication with gnupgp key.. |
| 09:38.48 | nick[0] | vdelau: ahh. I see what you mean now. |
| 09:38.52 | eryn_1983 | does it require nss-ldap.conf? |
| 09:39.03 | arghh11 | don't answert my question with a question please - i simply don't want X11 - and I know why I do not want it :) - I have no screen attached - I will not X11 forward and I won't use X11 apps at all - it's just a webserver |
| 09:39.09 | eryn_1983 | its spewing out all sorts of errors and i cant find my manual on how i installed its |
| 09:39.23 | cahoot | arghh11: so don't install it? |
| 09:39.55 | cahoot | arghh11: no one forces xorg on you |
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| 09:40.18 | vdelau | arghh11: some apps need x11 (related) libs |
| 09:40.41 | arghh11 | hm "apt-get install openssh-server" wants to install - "The following extra packages " |
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| 09:40.44 | eryn_1983 | any iodeas? |
| 09:40.48 | eryn_1983 | ideas |
| 09:40.51 | arghh11 | with plenty of x11 crap... |
| 09:40.51 | pyrophelia | scp is following recursive links. in the man it says -r does NOT follow symlinks. what is going on? |
| 09:41.06 | arghh11 | it does not seem to be optional ... hm |
| 09:41.22 | vdelau | arghh11: I usually use aptitude in interactive mode to inspect the dependencies |
| 09:41.52 | arghh11 | my apps don't need x11 :) |
| 09:42.27 | jelly | arghh11: what are you actually complaining of? |
| 09:42.38 | jelly | !ask |
| 09:42.38 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 09:42.38 | arghh11 | ok |
| 09:42.43 | arghh11 | i just installed linux |
| 09:42.45 | arghh11 | i chose debian |
| 09:42.48 | vdelau | arghh11: I think a dependency of GD depend on X11 libs |
| 09:42.50 | arghh11 | bacause its minimal |
| 09:42.52 | cahoot | arghh11: you want to learn how to us aptitude -without-recommends |
| 09:42.59 | arghh11 | i bootstapped it |
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| 09:43.05 | jelly | arghh11: please write whole thoughts before pressing enter |
| 09:43.08 | arghh11 | now all i want it - A: sshd |
| 09:43.14 | arghh11 | B: webserver / tiny |
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| 09:43.17 | arghh11 | nothing more |
| 09:43.19 | arghh11 | nothing |
| 09:43.23 | arghh11 | so |
| 09:43.25 | arghh11 | i typed |
| 09:43.27 | jelly | !enter |
| 09:43.28 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 09:43.34 | arghh11 | apt-get install openssh-server |
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| 09:44.15 | arghh11 | and this requires many X11 packs - and i dont want or need X11 |
| 09:44.54 | jelly | arghh11: use --without-recommends option to make apt-get or aptitude only install what's absolutely needed for a package to work |
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| 09:46.01 | jelly | arghh11: er, that option is for aptitude. You'll want to rtfm for apt-get equivalent |
| 09:46.39 | jelly | dpkg: literal recommends |
| 09:46.39 | dpkg | jelly: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 09:46.44 | jelly | meh. |
| 09:46.56 | arghh11 | thanks for your "help" |
| 09:47.11 | jelly | you're "welcome" |
| 09:47.14 | petemc | heh |
| 09:47.14 | eryn_1983 | ok i need some help |
| 09:47.21 | Pirate_Hunter | ive just did something stupid of installing deluge on to a server instead of doin it in the client it has installed all sorts of packages including as I suspect xorg, how do I go about removing all the new packages as I don't think just doing aptitude purge will suffice, would like to track down all newly packages |
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| 09:47.22 | eryn_1983 | from ayll experienced with log files.. |
| 09:47.46 | eryn_1983 | ok i was geting these errors fromw indbind.. but i restarted it.. now i no longer them when i use it.. |
| 09:47.51 | eryn_1983 | but i am getting them from CRON now. |
| 09:47.57 | arghh11 | nice help channel - "why do you want this at all ?" - "hm no one uses !X11" - "a read the fucking manpage" - great help chan - luv u |
| 09:48.13 | eryn_1983 | xena CRON[9948]: nss_ldap: failed to bind to LDAP server ldap://192.168.1.211: Invalid credentials |
| 09:48.38 | eryn_1983 | is it safe to say if i reboot mys ystem it will not longer find the offending nss-ldap anymore and report this errror? |
| 09:48.47 | azeem_ | arghh11: jelly helped you |
| 09:49.51 | eryn_1983 | yes no maybe? screw me and go away? |
| 09:49.57 | jelly | has issues with the bot |
| 09:51.48 | jelly | eryn_1983: is ldap actually mentioned somewhere in your resolver configuration (/etc/nsswitch.conf), and do you need it? |
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| 09:52.02 | eryn_1983 | i am using AD. |
| 09:52.22 | eryn_1983 | i think i added this stuff when i was trying to figure out how to make it work with cifs and ssh auth with AD |
| 09:52.27 | eryn_1983 | but i didnt need it. |
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| 09:54.20 | JohnnyL | What's the method to replace gnome with a much smaller Desktop. And what are good desktops that are much smaller? |
| 09:54.40 | eryn_1983 | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:54.40 | arghh11 | fluxbox, blackbox |
| 09:54.43 | jelly | arghh11: sorry, I don't know the correct option for apt-get and am not going to read the manual for you. I hope you're able to search for "recommends" in apt-get(1) by yourself. |
| 09:54.51 | arghh11 | apt-get --no-install-recommends install openssh-server |
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| 09:54.53 | arghh11 | got it |
| 09:54.56 | arghh11 | thanks jelly |
| 09:54.58 | eryn_1983 | i just need to remeber how i setup ssh ldap authentication with pam and nss |
| 09:55.02 | arghh11 | its working and i am happy |
| 09:55.41 | lindi- | arghh11: you could still answer, why do you want to avoid X? ;) |
| 09:56.00 | arghh11 | because its a webserver |
| 09:56.38 | lindi- | arghh11: so? a few extra files laying on the hard drive are not going to slow it down |
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| 09:57.11 | petern_ | most people don't want to install X on their webservers |
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| 09:57.15 | JohnnyL | arghh11: was that for me? |
| 09:57.25 | lindi- | petern_: but i'm after the reason :) |
| 09:57.31 | arghh11 | if i want extra files laying around i would use: windows 7 |
| 09:57.37 | arghh11 | JohnnyL: yes |
| 09:58.11 | petern_ | lindi-, less things go wrong |
| 09:58.11 | Appl6 | JohnnyL: You might also want to look at XFCE and LXDE. |
| 09:58.26 | JohnnyL | Appl6: okies. thanks. |
| 09:58.31 | arghh11 | how's that called.... ahh... |
| 09:58.32 | lindi- | petern_: that's a point |
| 09:58.37 | arghh11 | yes - security |
| 09:58.40 | petern_ | less things to possible be exploted |
| 09:58.43 | petern_ | or exploited |
| 09:59.12 | cahoot | lindi-: seems to you turn the logic upside down - why install something you don't need? |
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| 10:00.40 | lindi- | arghh11: petern_: that's also a point in general but does it apply here? libx11-6 does not install any services |
| 10:01.03 | arghh11 | and its a very power full feeling if you "list all installed packs" - and you don't even need | less - because all fit on one screen (well dreaming - heh not on the "shared" linux world) :) |
| 10:01.11 | JohnnyL | what's the startup script for debian? |
| 10:01.14 | arghh11 | good old - "pkg_info" days :)) |
| 10:01.17 | jelly | lindi-: it'd good practice |
| 10:01.27 | jelly | s/d/s/ |
| 10:02.14 | jelly | dpkg, tell JohnnyL about sysvinit |
| 10:02.17 | jelly | dpkg, tell JohnnyL about rc.local |
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| 10:02.27 | JohnnyL | jelly: thanks. |
| 10:03.00 | jelly | JohnnyL: I suspect you're erally after the latter, or even /msg dpkg init.d |
| 10:03.02 | arghh11 | lindi-: why does a secure remote server would use any X11 lib - maybe for some fancy (x)auth options - in my option all this "fancy ssh options using X11 libs and deps" does DECREASE you security - no matter if ther is a open port or not - parts of the x11 lib (tree) are "bound to sshd port 22" - if u like it or not |
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| 10:04.35 | lindi- | arghh11: but they are not bound to sshd port in any special way? an attacker could just install the x libraries if he wants? |
| 10:05.14 | vdelau | arghh11: x11 tunneling? |
| 10:05.23 | JohnnyL | linux is free if your time is worthless. |
| 10:05.45 | azeem_ | openssh-server doesn't drag in X, it just drags in a couple of files/binaries to support X forwarding |
| 10:05.48 | azeem_ | AFAIK |
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| 10:06.15 | lindi- | depends on what X means but yes it doesn't depend on an X server |
| 10:06.58 | cahoot | JohnnyL: you equate free with money? |
| 10:07.05 | arghh11 | well - thanks aggain |
| 10:07.16 | arghh11 | happy x11ing |
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| 10:08.29 | Appl6 | JohnnyL: I think you could say Linux is free (as in money) if the time you spend configuring it is less valuable to you than the freedoms (examining and modifying source code) you get as a result of using it. |
| 10:08.30 | jelly | cahoot: you equate free with dfsg? |
| 10:08.57 | vdelau | arghh11 left for http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/ ? |
| 10:09.02 | tomiondrums | Hi, I know that this question might be slightly misplaced in this chat but i think there could be somebody around here who can give me a hint. I'm wondering how much power an IBM x3650 M2 Server (assuming it's idling and has one processor install) consumes (roughly). Any experiences? |
| 10:09.27 | cahoot | jelly: he spoke of linux, not debian |
| 10:09.34 | jelly | vdelau: they solved the issue, thanked us (more than once!) and left |
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| 10:10.24 | jelly | cahoot: I didn't take it that way, because it would be offtopic, and a user asking or commenting here is obviously not offtopic! :-D |
| 10:10.29 | vdelau | jelly: I know, just thought that if he is so paranoia about xlibs, he should compile SSH for himself ;) |
| 10:11.11 | cahoot | jelly: true - I should learn to keep quiet |
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| 10:12.27 | jelly | vdelau: neither sshd or ssh link with libX11 and friends, and we solved the not-installing-xauth issue |
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| 10:14.26 | jelly | vdelau: he was right in that Recommends, chained or not, often install lots of useless crap and require greater care when installing stuff on servers than what we had before |
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| 10:15.51 | vdelau | jelly: I agree, I usually use an interactive aptitude to look for unwanted dependencies |
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| 10:17.32 | JohnnyL | ha! redirection symbol doesn't even work in xterm. |
| 10:17.38 | JohnnyL | hahaha |
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| 10:58.02 | dpkg | jelly: I wish you would RTFM. |
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| 11:09.53 | umarzuki | hi, how do i set my laptop that is connected to a 3G network as a access point? |
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| 11:12.54 | liable | hmm |
| 11:13.05 | liable | you want to look at hostapd |
| 11:13.33 | liable | but i dunno if it works with anything other than the usual net devices |
| 11:13.38 | petemc | or configure other devices to connect to you ad hoc and do 'normal' forwarding |
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| 11:13.49 | liable | seeing as 3g is usually /dev/ttyusb0 or similar |
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| 11:15.53 | jelly | the device used is not relevant, 3G is ppp0, which can be used for masquerading like any other interface |
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| 11:16.26 | jelly | so, two things - setting up an AP if drivers/hardware allows; setting up ipmasq |
| 11:16.52 | liable | oh yeah, i'm thinking of the actual device before its brought up with ppd |
| 11:17.12 | jelly | which is... not important |
| 11:17.23 | umarzuki | jelly, how do i make sure it is can be used as ap? |
| 11:17.32 | liable | jelly: it may be |
| 11:18.06 | liable | for simple masquerading no, but with hostapd, possibly |
| 11:18.33 | liable | and if he wants it to be a real ap mode thing, then he really needs hostapd |
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| 11:19.35 | jelly | umarzuki: sorry, I'm not the one to ask about wireless |
| 11:19.45 | umarzuki | np mate |
| 11:20.06 | umarzuki | liable, i'll check on hostapd |
| 11:20.08 | umarzuki | thx |
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| 11:21.23 | djura-san | o/ |
| 11:21.35 | umarzuki | hm...if i'm just going to make it as a simple wireless router? do i need hostapd? |
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| 11:24.38 | Kevin` | how can I hold back a package from bieng upgraded but do the rest of the updates? |
| 11:25.14 | liable | umarzuki: http://madwifi-project.org/wiki/UserDocs |
| 11:25.37 | themill | Kevin`: see aptitude's "forbid-version" command, or use : on the package in aptitude's curses UI |
| 11:25.43 | liable | umarzuki: see the simple access point doc and also the hostap doc |
| 11:25.53 | umarzuki | thanks |
| 11:26.01 | Kevin` | you need hostapd if you want wpa2 support, and you also need it to use ap mode on certain newer drivers |
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| 11:26.05 | liable | umarzuki: that will give you some idea depending on what you want to do |
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| 11:26.22 | liable | Kuzavas: even wpa1 |
| 11:26.24 | Kevin` | wpa/wpa2 |
| 11:27.02 | liable | bridging is a pita |
| 11:27.10 | liable | hostapd isnt as scary as it may look |
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| 11:42.58 | peleg | Do you know of a good command-line phone/address book? |
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| 11:44.44 | liable | text file and grep :) |
| 11:44.58 | ondrejk | liable: +1 |
| 11:45.04 | peleg | liable, a good one will be a one that uses some common standards, so that other programs will know how to read as well |
| 11:45.21 | liable | peleg: cant say i've ever heard of one |
| 11:45.53 | peleg | liable, thanks. textfile+grep is an old idea I've been using a lot, but I am looking for something a bit more sophisticated now :) |
| 11:46.02 | liable | no doubt emacs has some damn plugin for it :) |
| 11:46.18 | jelly | but... is it clicky. |
| 11:46.23 | peleg | liable, I'm the vim person. |
| 11:46.29 | liable | hehe |
| 11:46.41 | jelly | peleg: it's a curable condition |
| 11:46.48 | liable | nope |
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| 11:46.50 | liable | :P |
| 11:47.18 | jordanm | !start an editor war |
| 11:47.18 | dpkg | nano doesn't deserve to be in any Linux distribution! |
| 11:47.38 | jelly | dpkg: true dat |
| 11:47.38 | dpkg | jelly: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 11:48.07 | abrotman | peleg: have you checked console mail clients like elmo,alpine,mutt ? |
| 11:48.41 | abrotman | is elmo still in debian ? |
| 11:48.44 | peleg | abrotman, just now I have discovered abook, that is designed to be used with mutt, but that can work alone as well. |
| 11:48.55 | abrotman | okay |
| 11:49.07 | abrotman | notes that elmo is dead ... |
| 11:50.16 | DASPRiD | tickle me elmo? |
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| 11:59.00 | vdelau | nano is good for Linux newbies that only casually have to edit a file. Learning curve for Emacs or VI is a bit to steep... |
| 11:59.24 | OpenTokix | I like nano, use it all the time - and I am not newbie or casual |
| 12:02.57 | liable | unless your a programmer, nano is more than enough |
| 12:03.32 | vdelau | OpenTokix: If it suits you, use it. I was more commenting on the 'there should be no nano in any distro' comment. |
| 12:04.07 | vdelau | obviously there is a user base ;) |
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| 12:05.46 | OpenTokix | yeah |
| 12:05.47 | OpenTokix | It works |
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| 12:10.45 | Nebukadneza | heho |
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| 12:11.50 | alcohol | my boss always uses joe |
| 12:11.51 | alcohol | :< |
| 12:13.02 | jelly | for me, joe means "never bothered to familiarize with vim" |
| 12:14.01 | alcohol | I personally prefer vim. I always make it the default editor. which really annoys him when he does `crontab -e` |
| 12:14.17 | Revo | nano is good |
| 12:14.32 | alcohol | isn't nano pretty much the same as joe? |
| 12:14.32 | Revo | saves having to remember a bunch of stupid unintuative commands to do basic functions |
| 12:14.39 | Tux^verdreifelt | alcohol: not really |
| 12:15.03 | jelly | alcohol: we have a case $USER in root's shell rc files |
| 12:15.28 | alcohol | we're very much not into security. we all use root account :< |
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| 12:15.43 | jelly | alcohol: we do too, but only via su |
| 12:15.55 | alcohol | we don't use su |
| 12:16.38 | alcohol | I disabled direct root login in ssh at one point, boss made me turn it back on :< |
| 12:16.54 | alcohol | cause having to su was too much of a hassle for him |
| 12:17.01 | jelly | "can't be done, the auditors said so" |
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| 12:17.17 | jelly | alcohol: let him have a screen detached with su inside |
| 12:17.19 | alcohol | problem is he knows enough about servers to tell truth from lies. |
| 12:17.55 | jelly | alcohol: that "can't" means "forbidden by company policy" |
| 12:18.06 | alcohol | well he decides policy :P |
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| 12:18.56 | jelly | well, su provides a modicum of accountability |
| 12:20.56 | vdelau | I try to enforce sudo as much as I can. I have to stop using sudo -s though... |
| 12:21.14 | vdelau | It also helps prevent the spread of root passwords. |
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| 12:24.02 | Nebukadneza | i'm struggeling to build a amd64 on i386 croscompiler ... i've apt-get sourced binutils, cross-built it according to the debianwiki. then i've apt-cross'ed libc6 and libc6-dev - that seems to have worked |
| 12:24.27 | Appl6 | vdelau: sudo -s is cool; I didn't know about it. Is there a difference between sudo -s and sudo su -? |
| 12:24.37 | Appl6 | vdelau: Like the path setting. |
| 12:24.45 | Nebukadneza | then, when i try to crosscompile gcc-4.2 according to the wiki i get a error that libc-bla-cross-amd64-i386-bla isn't installed ... thats kinda right, apt-cross installed libc-bla-cross-amd64 ... |
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| 12:25.32 | vdelau | Appl6: don't know for sure. sudo -s keeps some environment (like $HOME) but not all. Don't know why, haven't bothered to sort it out. |
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| 12:26.11 | jelly | Appl6: also, -i |
| 12:26.21 | vdelau | Appl6: path is definitely altered, it contains the sbin dirs |
| 12:26.59 | Appl6 | jelly: vdelau: Awesome, thanks for the info. |
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| 12:27.24 | vdelau | jelly: -i to what command? |
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| 12:28.00 | Appl6 | vdelau: sudo -i, the man page makes it look like that's the best choice. |
| 12:28.20 | jelly | vdelau: to whatever we were talking about |
| 12:28.27 | jelly | doesn't remember |
| 12:29.25 | vdelau | Ah, overlooked that one. I prefer not to use -i and su for that matter, since it will use my own svn credentials etcetera. |
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| 12:37.16 | oal | How do I find what version of a package is available with aptitude? If I do sudo aptitude search ajaxterm for example, I can't see what version it is |
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| 12:38.31 | alcohol | oal: sudo aptitude show ajaxterm |
| 12:38.38 | feitingen | oal: dpkg-query -s ajaxterm |
| 12:38.41 | oal | alcohol, thanks! |
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| 12:40.25 | alcohol | feitingen: doesn't that only work for installed packages? |
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| 12:40.39 | rww | "apt-cache policy ajaxterm" is nice too |
| 12:41.23 | dbbolton | is there a way to use one of the modules in libatp-pkg-perl to install a package? |
| 12:41.33 | feitingen | alcohol: ah, that's true |
| 12:42.08 | alcohol | dbbolton: read the manual? |
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| 12:42.35 | dbbolton | alcohol: gee, i never thought of that. |
| 12:42.45 | alcohol | dbbolton: glad to help :) |
| 12:44.23 | dbbolton | i haven't seen such functionality listed in any of the package's 9 manual pages, but that doesn't mean that it doesn't exist |
| 12:44.46 | alcohol | dbbolton: dive into the source? |
| 12:45.18 | jelly | dbbolton: what are you really trying to do? |
| 12:45.39 | dbbolton | jelly: install a package from a perl script without relying on system() |
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| 12:46.09 | dbbolton | Linux::Apt seems to be able to do this, but it is unofficial and not in the repos |
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| 12:46.39 | lindi- | does it work on freebsd too? ;) |
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| 12:47.22 | feitingen | lindi-: maybe, wasn't debian trying to support the freebsd kernel some time ago? |
| 12:47.40 | lindi- | feitingen: yes |
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| 12:47.48 | lindi- | feitingen: just wondering why it's named Linux::Apt |
| 12:48.53 | feitingen | naming in cpan isn't always the best... |
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| 12:49.42 | jelly | dbbolton: is it on debian or an embedded system? I can't help you, sorry, but am a bit puzzled about reasons behind evading system() |
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| 12:50.23 | dbbolton | it's just dirty |
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| 12:50.43 | alcohol | and including an entire library to evade using 1 system call is not dirty? |
| 12:51.10 | dbbolton | alcohol: no, there are several system calls i'm avoiding. |
| 12:51.15 | jelly | dbbolton: yeah, but apt (even in its libapt-pkg API) will call dpkg via fork/exec anyway |
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| 12:51.57 | jelly | and techincally, it's a libc call ;-) |
| 12:52.00 | alcohol | wonders why the use of system() is even considered dirty at all |
| 12:52.38 | alcohol | god forbid it does what you expect it to do eh? |
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| 12:52.58 | jelly | alcohol: it does things behind your back, like invoking a shell to parse arguments and actually execute a command |
| 12:53.13 | dbbolton | that is what shell scripts are for |
| 12:53.24 | alcohol | oh my, now that I know this I will never ever use this again :< |
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| 12:56.39 | linenoise | So I'm having trouble getting ulimit -n to return anything but 1024 from a user account. I've modified /etc/security/limits.conf and rebooted, but ... still 1024 |
| 12:56.43 | linenoise | Any ideas? :) |
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| 12:59.13 | jelly | linenoise: you've edited a config file for PAM module pam_limits, you also have to make sure it's used. So, edit /etc/pam.d/{ssh,login,su}, or whatever the way your user logs in |
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| 13:00.10 | linenoise | jelly: Is there not just a way to say "all users can have this many files open"? I have to muck with pam for this? |
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| 13:01.18 | unixp | is it possible to run Adblock in iceweasel? or do u know an accept version? |
| 13:01.24 | linenoise | jelly: and actually, the line requiring pam_limits is there. so that's not it. |
| 13:01.25 | justin | unixp: yes |
| 13:01.35 | jelly | linenoise: only root can change those settings, so you have to figure out where in the process of going from root to user foo does the ulimit come in |
| 13:01.48 | unixp | justanic, which version? |
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| 13:02.21 | jelly | linenoise: eg. if you needed that for a service, you might have to add it in its init script |
| 13:02.24 | linenoise | jelly: okay, well the line is there in all of them. su, login and ssh. |
| 13:02.36 | jelly | linenoise: uncommented? :-) |
| 13:02.39 | linenoise | jelly: the su init script?? |
| 13:02.43 | linenoise | jelly: it's uncommented |
| 13:03.30 | linenoise | jelly: I have an init script for ssh, it has nothing about pam in it. |
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| 13:05.09 | jelly | linenoise: alright, then pastebin your limits.conf, output of "ulimit -a" and "ulimit -Ha" as the user in question, and "dpkg -l libc6 libpam-modules | tail -2" |
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| 13:05.48 | jelly | linenoise: what way does the user log in? |
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| 13:06.30 | linenoise | jelly: it's a laptop, so whatever gdm makes happen |
| 13:06.42 | unixp | jelly, do u know which ver. of adblock works with iceweasel? |
| 13:07.04 | jelly | linenoise: might want to check /etc/pam.d/gdm as well, then |
| 13:07.33 | jelly | unixp: I've no idea, please ask the channel |
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| 13:08.05 | linenoise | the line exists in /etc/pamd.d/gdm |
| 13:08.26 | linenoise | jelly: http://pastebin.com/ajv9N79G |
| 13:09.46 | jelly | linenoise: you're not running Debian. Please ask in #ubuntu, we have no ideas how/if their hal/policykit affects pam/gdm |
| 13:09.59 | jelly | sighs |
| 13:10.20 | linenoise | lol |
| 13:10.21 | linenoise | seriously? |
| 13:10.24 | paradigm | unixp: Adblock plus 1.0.2 |
| 13:11.14 | jelly | linenoise: absolutely; I've no idea what your system corresponds to in terms of Debian releases |
| 13:11.18 | linenoise | jelly: seriously? you can't help me because I'm not running debian. It's ubuntu. whatever dude |
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| 13:11.35 | unixp | paradigm, thx |
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| 13:13.21 | jelly | should have asked for dpkg -l libc6 in the start :-| |
| 13:13.31 | paradigm | unixp: happy to help |
| 13:14.18 | unixp | which email client can u recommend? the new thunderbird version is really shit to configure, doesnt work... |
| 13:14.44 | jelly | !start a mua war |
| 13:14.44 | dpkg | Claws Mail sucks. |
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| 13:15.42 | unixp | shit try actually claws mail =/ |
| 13:17.14 | jordanm | new thunderbird works for me... |
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| 13:17.37 | jelly | unixp: don't trust the bot when it tries to incite a flame |
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| 13:18.03 | jordanm | jelly: but its the all-knowing dpkg! |
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| 13:18.09 | kai | hi folks |
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| 13:18.34 | kai | woody already shipped with a 2.6 kernel, right? |
| 13:18.49 | jordanm | I am sure woody was 2.4 |
| 13:18.53 | jordanm | !woody |
| 13:18.53 | dpkg | Woody is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux 3.0, released on July 19, 2002. Ask me about <woody->sarge>. Security support for woody was terminated on 2006-06-30. Woody was archived on 2007-01-10 but ISOs are still available: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/images/3.0_r6/ . Ask me about <woody sources.list>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianWoody |
| 13:19.41 | jordanm | kai: it actually even had a 2.2 kernel |
| 13:19.43 | kai | ah, it shipped 2.2 and 2.4 |
| 13:19.44 | kai | yeah |
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| 13:20.29 | Pinchiukas | There is no /dev/lp* files on my system. Why is that? |
| 13:21.00 | kai | so I'll probably want sarge.. I need to check if a bug report we got for an embedded device exists on a generic 2.4 kernel |
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| 13:23.02 | jelly | kai: sarge had 2.6.8 and 2.4.something, etch had 2.6.18 |
| 13:24.33 | jelly | Pinchiukas: do you have a parallel-port device? |
| 13:24.47 | kai | jelly: yeah, 2.4.something likely is fine :) |
| 13:25.12 | Pinchiukas | jelly: a what? |
| 13:25.21 | Pinchiukas | jelly: I do have a parallel port. |
| 13:25.26 | Pinchiukas | And I connected a printer to it. |
| 13:25.37 | jelly | Pinchiukas: do you have something to connect to that port in addition? |
| 13:25.37 | kai | once I can get the installer to boot in virtualbox :) |
| 13:25.43 | jelly | ah |
| 13:26.00 | jelly | Pinchiukas: right. "modprobe parport-pc" should get you started |
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| 13:26.53 | Pinchiukas | jelly: ok, now what? |
| 13:27.17 | jelly | Pinchiukas: did they appear? Did any lines appear in dmesg (or /var/log/kern.log)? |
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| 13:27.50 | Pinchiukas | jelly: nothing in the log and /dev/lp* didn't appear. |
| 13:28.07 | jelly | Pinchiukas: uname -r? |
| 13:28.31 | Pinchiukas | jelly: 2.6.26-2-686 |
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| 13:29.07 | jelly | Pinchiukas: a manual modprobe used to do it back when I had a parallel port. Could it be disabled in BIOS? |
| 13:29.10 | Pinchiukas | jelly: can I find out without rebooting if I didn't disable the port in BIOS? |
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| 13:29.16 | Pinchiukas | :) |
| 13:29.20 | jelly | not that I know of |
| 13:29.22 | pmurias | how do i set which gcc version g++ should be set to? |
| 13:30.09 | Pinchiukas | Bah. :| |
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| 13:30.48 | jordanm | pmurias: maybe: update-alternatives --config c++ |
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| 13:32.06 | jelly | pmurias: you don't, but perhaps setting the CXX environment variable would work, depending on the build tools used |
| 13:32.25 | jelly | pmurias: what are you really trying to do? |
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| 13:33.05 | jelly | well blimey, c++ is managed via alternatives |
| 13:33.19 | jelly | pmurias: listen to jordanm instead, then |
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| 13:33.53 | azeem | c++ isn't something most Makefiles run though |
| 13:33.55 | themill | the alternatives for c++ and cc are only to select between different implementations of the compiler, not for selecting between different versions of gcc. |
| 13:33.55 | azeem | AFAIK |
| 13:34.13 | unixp | paradigm, mh do u know where i find the adblock version which works? looked everywhere :/ |
| 13:34.13 | azeem | and what themill said |
| 13:34.30 | pmurias | i want to g++ to point to g++-4.3 |
| 13:34.49 | pmurias | so that cmake will know which compiler to use |
| 13:34.50 | themill | pmurias: why... |
| 13:35.06 | azeem | pmurias: 1. the right way to do this is to export CXX correctly |
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| 13:35.15 | azeem | pmurias: 2. create a symlink in /usr/local/bin |
| 13:35.37 | jordanm | pmurias: that is the default on lenny it appears.. |
| 13:36.07 | paradigm | unixp: the normal mozilla addons page. Lemme get a link... |
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| 13:36.55 | paradigm | unxip: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addons/versions/1865 |
| 13:36.56 | paradigm | scroll down |
| 13:37.04 | paradigm | 1.0.2 |
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| 13:39.21 | unixp | paradigm, oh thx a lot :) |
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| 13:41.46 | petern_ | will systemd be in squeeze? |
| 13:41.48 | petern_ | (hides) |
| 13:42.13 | pflanze | Hello. How do you use module-assistant for a kernel that has been built in /usr/src/linux but is not (yet) running? |
| 13:42.36 | pflanze | I've tried: module-assistant -t -l 2.6.33.3-vs2.3.0.36.30.4 --kernel-dir /usr/src/linux build oss4 |
| 13:43.04 | pflanze | but it fails because it can't find /lib/modules//source/include/linux/limits.h, which very much looks like it does not actually use the given kernel version |
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| 13:44.22 | jordanm | pflanze: AFAIK, the kernel must be installed via kernel-package. You can not use m-a against a manually compiled and installed kernel |
| 13:44.41 | pflanze | Well it *does* work after booting into the new kernel |
| 13:44.53 | pflanze | but I would prefer to build the modules before rebooting |
| 13:45.15 | jordanm | pflanze: e.g. if you use m-a to compile against 2.6.33-3 it expects a linux-image-2.6.33-3.deb that the new modules package will depend on |
| 13:45.42 | jordanm | (it will build but won't install) |
| 13:46.03 | pflanze | nope, it works |
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| 13:46.36 | pflanze | I've done that previously, in fact my running kernel is from /usr/src/linux too without any .deb, and I've got the built oss4 modules installed |
| 13:46.40 | pflanze | it doesn't contain a depends |
| 13:46.42 | petern_ | <insert obligatory "eww, oss4!" comment here> |
| 13:46.53 | pflanze | I need to run it |
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| 13:47.16 | pflanze | because ALSA's driver's sound quality is sh*t |
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| 13:47.29 | petern_ | hehe |
| 13:47.31 | petern_ | bits are bits |
| 13:47.41 | pflanze | petern_: ? |
| 13:48.01 | petern_ | when the hardware is accessing memory via DMA, bits are bits |
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| 13:49.17 | pflanze | petern_: read the thread at http://www.mail-archive.com/ekiga-list@gnome.org/msg08188.html |
| 13:50.14 | pflanze | petern_: because your totally wrong, at least if you imply that selecting either sound system doesn't make a difference to sound quality |
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| 13:56.35 | gutek999 | when i try to install nvidia drivers i got error "insmod error while inserting './usr/src/nv/nvidia.ko: -1 no such device' i checked i dont have nvidiafb nor riviafb module. My kernel is 2.6.32-5-amd64. Can anyone help? Sorry for such a stupid questin, but i'm out of X and browing internet with lynx is pain :x |
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| 13:59.10 | petern_ | gutek999, squeeze doesn't have a working binary nvidia driver currently |
| 13:59.27 | petern_ | you could mess up your system trying the official one, or just use the nv driver for now |
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| 14:00.14 | omry|work | gutek999, a short while ago I used the nvidia driver from sid with squeeze. ask dpkg about it |
| 14:00.33 | gutek999 | its insmod or ketnel failure? |
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| 14:02.28 | wols_ | ,version nvidia-glx |
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| 14:02.33 | wols_ | ,versions nvidia-glx |
| 14:02.35 | judd | nvidia-glx -- etch/non-free: 1.0.8776-4; lenny/non-free: 173.14.09-5; squeeze/non-free: 173.14.09-5; sid/non-free: 190.53-4 |
| 14:02.35 | jordanm | gutek999: you should use modprobe instead of insmod |
| 14:02.57 | wols_ | petern_: define "doesn't have a working"? |
| 14:03.12 | jordanm | doesn't work with modern cards |
| 14:03.13 | gutek999 | petern_: i tryed the official one, thats when i got this error |
| 14:03.24 | jordanm | gutek999: the official one is not supported here |
| 14:03.32 | petern_ | wols_, it's for 2.6.26 |
| 14:04.08 | jordanm | petern_: you can build for any kernel using m-a and nvidia-kernel-source |
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| 14:05.00 | petern_ | you can't, because it won't build for squeeze's kernel |
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| 14:05.31 | wols_ | petern_: we have nvidia kernel module source in debian |
| 14:05.56 | wols_ | and when you run squeeze you should know how to backport a simple thing from sid |
| 14:06.02 | wols_ | and that one will build for the current kernel |
| 14:06.02 | themill | wols_: squeeze's nvidia stuff doesn't build against squeeze's kernel. It's the usual story at this stage of the release cycle for nvidia. |
| 14:06.35 | jordanm | sid's builds fine on squeezes kernel... they might as well move it in |
| 14:07.00 | omry|work | the dpkg factoid about nvidia squeeze helped me a month ago on squeeze |
| 14:07.13 | omry|work | gutek999, type /msg dpkg nvidia squeeze and follow the instructions. |
| 14:07.17 | jordanm | doesn't like dpkg's factoid |
| 14:07.46 | petern_ | wols_, indeed, i do know how to. i am perfectly happy with the nv driver, however |
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| 14:11.30 | abrotman | jordanm: to be fair .. just building doesn't mean it's good enough to go to squeeze |
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| 14:12.15 | jordanm | abrotman: I built and used it. I really hope they plane on using the current sid drivers in the squeeze release, as *many* cards are not supported by the older drivers currently in squeeze |
| 14:12.29 | jordanm | s/plane/plan |
| 14:12.33 | abrotman | jordanm: i meant that there may be other bugs that it may introduce they are trying to fix ? |
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| 14:13.04 | pflanze | jordanm: I've just upgraded to module-assistant from testing, now it runs through fine |
| 14:13.39 | omes | does anyone know if it's a bug that hcid is not provided in bluez-utils on sid? |
| 14:13.51 | omes | is this one of the new "features" of bluez 3.x? |
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| 14:14.04 | omes | err, bluez 4.x even |
| 14:14.04 | jordanm | abrotman: well, IMO, theres no reason to devote time to making the older drives work though... so they are just taking up space that could be used by the new drivers |
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| 14:15.51 | themill | jordanm: who said that they are trying to do that though? the package in sid has more RC bugs than the package in squeeze. |
| 14:16.45 | petern_ | other than the package in squeeze in doesn't work at all, it's great |
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| 14:17.36 | wols_ | there is no point in releasing even sid drivers in squeeze. either you use current nvidia drivers with support for current chips or there is no point in putting them into non-free for squeeze at all |
| 14:17.36 | jordanm | themill: I would really hope they would be trying to do that since the lenny/squeeze driver versions will not work on cards > 200 series, which released in '08 even before the lenny release |
| 14:17.46 | wols_ | drivers that don't drive the current hardware are kinda useless |
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| 14:18.20 | themill | at about this point in the release cycle, the nvidia drivers normally are removed from squeeze |
| 14:18.28 | wols_ | even when only about 5 people worldwide are so dumb to buy a Fermi |
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| 14:19.48 | themill | jordanm: of course they are working on getting the newer packages into squeeze but they're also actively soliciting help. For drivers, it's not uncommon for people to file RC bugs and the maintainers can't actually test if the bug is fixed in the newer version or not because they don't have the hardware, and the submitter never replies to requests to test the newer package |
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| 14:21.21 | abrotman | themill: didn't randall recently file an RFH with a possible orphaning ? |
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| 14:21.50 | themill | "actively soliciting help" probably covers that, yes. |
| 14:22.08 | jordanm | themill: well, if I ever find this request for help, I will do what I can as far as testing |
| 14:22.50 | jordanm | abrotman: RFH: nvidia-graphics-drivers -- Developer needed to take on major role in packaging team |
| 14:22.55 | themill | jordanm: all packages with RC bugs (or any bugs) want your help.... |
| 14:23.11 | abrotman | jordanm: sounds like a job for you! :) |
| 14:23.28 | abrotman | jordanm: i think he has plenty of testers .. i think he really needs help getting each release in order |
| 14:24.13 | jordanm | themill: yes, I spend some time each week looking for something that I have the technical skill to help with |
| 14:24.35 | abrotman | this is why i stick to debugging notepad |
| 14:24.41 | jordanm | hehe |
| 14:24.48 | themill | !dbugs 568952 |
| 14:24.52 | dpkg | #568952:N[wnpp] RFH: nvidia-graphics-drivers -- Developer needed to take on major role in packaging team (); Tue, 09 Feb 2010 00:39:01 UTC [] |
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| 14:25.25 | m-g | Wow! The worst thing ever just happened to me. I was in gparted and I tried the "create partition table" menu entry. A warning came up and I wanted to say "cancel" but hit "ok". In panic, I switched off the computer. Now it wont boot anymore. Any way to get back the old partition table? |
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| 14:26.11 | eNtropy` | why hello there |
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| 14:26.31 | abrotman | m-g: there are some utilities to do that IIRC, though i can't remember the names |
| 14:26.59 | abrotman | m-g: google "linux tool recover partition table" talks about TestDisk .. use at your own risk |
| 14:27.01 | m-g | abrotman: the "create partition table" just killed the partition table, so all data is untouched, right? |
| 14:27.20 | frostschutz | m-g: usually, yes... try gpart |
| 14:27.24 | abrotman | m-g: well usually .. |
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| 14:27.37 | frostschutz | m-g: or testdisk |
| 14:27.52 | m-g | frostschutz: gparted? |
| 14:27.55 | frostschutz | or just recreate it manually if you remember the layout :) |
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| 14:30.29 | m-g | i dont really feel like joking... |
| 14:30.33 | Varanger | hello |
| 14:30.42 | m-g | the web says "Partition table recovery using TestDisk is really easy". lets see... |
| 14:30.58 | jelly | m-g: no "gpart" |
| 14:31.02 | jelly | er. |
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| 14:31.07 | m-g | jelly: what is gpart |
| 14:31.20 | jordanm | ,info gpart |
| 14:31.22 | judd | gpart (admin, optional): Guess PC disk partition table, find lost partitions. Version: 0.1h-4.1; Size: 35.5k; Installed: 112k |
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| 14:31.24 | jelly | m-g: it's a tool that tries to guess a wiped partition table |
| 14:31.38 | m-g | hmm... so should i try testdisk or gpart. hmm... |
| 14:32.41 | frostschutz | m-g: if you didnt turn off the machine, looking at /proc/partitions may have sufficed too ... |
| 14:32.45 | grummund | Hi, using netcat to test a socket server like this: nc localhost 12345 < testdata |
| 14:32.50 | frostschutz | depends on whether you re-read the partition table or not |
| 14:33.10 | grummund | how can i get netcat to stay connected and listen for server responses ? |
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| 14:34.08 | lindi- | grummund: -l for listen? |
| 14:34.29 | grummund | i'm using nc as a client |
| 14:34.43 | grummund | (so -l is not appropriate i think) |
| 14:35.05 | lindi- | grummund: ? |
| 14:35.11 | lindi- | grummund: you wanted a server |
| 14:35.22 | lindi- | grummund: ah i misread |
| 14:35.55 | \amethyst | grummund: maybe -q N ? ("after EOF on stdin, wait the specified number of seconds and then quit. If seconds is negative, wait forever.") |
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| 14:37.43 | grummund | \amethyst: ah thanks that sounds exactly it. (unfortunately not on my version of netcat though ... ;-/) |
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| 14:38.45 | jelly | ,provides netcat |
| 14:38.46 | judd | netcat in lenny/i386 provides no additional packages. |
| 14:38.50 | jelly | ,rprovides netcat |
| 14:38.55 | judd | netcat in lenny/i386 is provided by: netcat-openbsd, netcat-traditional. netcat is also a real package. |
| 14:39.05 | jelly | grummund: pick your poison |
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| 14:39.30 | grummund | thanks. |
| 14:39.38 | jelly | there's also nc6, socat, ... |
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| 14:40.51 | grummund | is there a way in Bash to redirect a file to a program such that the program doesn't get EOF when all the data is read? |
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| 14:41.59 | lindi- | grummund: (cat file; read) | program |
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| 14:43.29 | albech | i am currently trying to monitor 2 APC UPS on one system. Both are connected with the USB data cable.. Will that be possible at all? Can I tell apcupsd to look at two different USB devices? |
| 14:43.50 | jelly | grummund: what are you trying to do. |
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| 14:44.24 | JohnNew | i have a process , du -h, that does not get killed |
| 14:44.26 | JohnNew | no matter what i try |
| 14:44.28 | JohnNew | what can i try best? |
| 14:44.32 | JohnNew | kill -9 didnt work |
| 14:44.34 | JohnNew | i am super user |
| 14:44.42 | grummund | jelly: i'm testing a socket server... i need to send it a packet (containing some binary data) and then see the response (which is ascii) |
| 14:44.44 | JohnNew | killall du didnt work |
| 14:44.50 | JohnNew | what more can i try? |
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| 14:46.00 | fluorine | JohnNew: is the block device that `du -h` is reading from -- has it stalled? |
| 14:46.12 | JohnNew | fluorine: how can i see? |
| 14:46.19 | jelly | grummund: lindi-'s suggestion seems nice, maybe replace that read with a cat, too |
| 14:46.43 | fluorine | JohnNew: just a simple `ls` in any dir on that partition? |
| 14:47.07 | jelly | JohnNew: put that ls in background, ls & |
| 14:47.17 | jelly | and don't use the tab key |
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| 14:49.00 | jelly | JohnNew: if a process is hung due to dead storage device, it will be unkill-9able |
| 14:49.02 | JohnNew | jelly: how do u mean? |
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| 14:49.14 | jelly | JohnNew: ls /path/to/some/dir & |
| 14:49.32 | jelly | don't use the tab key to complete the path |
| 14:50.01 | jelly | JohnNew: check dmesg or /var/log/kern.log for I/O errors |
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| 14:50.37 | jelly | (might be other errors if it's a network share or fuse-based filesystem) |
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| 15:01.12 | abrotman | !flw |
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| 15:01.16 | JohnNew | i have a windows shared disk, i would like to mount this disk from linux, how can i do this best? |
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| 15:01.31 | m-g | Ok, testdisk has found some partitions. How can I calculate the size in GB from the size in sectors? So I can guess which partitions it found? |
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| 15:01.56 | abrotman | JohnNew: what format is the windows disk ? |
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| 15:02.38 | wols_ | m-g: a sector is 512 bytes. calculate it from that |
| 15:03.03 | JohnNew | abrotman: ntfs |
| 15:03.22 | m-g | wols_: ok, thanks. |
| 15:03.28 | abrotman | !tell JohnNew about ntfs-3g |
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| 15:04.05 | helo | what is the nicest (intelligent history) x-launcher (Alt+F2 style) included in lenny? |
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| 15:04.39 | jordanm | as-in alternatives to "startx"? |
| 15:05.13 | jelly | helo: eh, each desktop environment carries its own |
| 15:05.13 | abrotman | helo: which DE/WM are you using? |
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| 15:08.51 | JohnNew | abrotman: mount -t ntfs-3g //192.168.100.22/indexen /mnt1 <- i get no such dir |
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| 15:08.56 | JohnNew | abrotman: you see what i do wrong? |
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| 15:09.44 | jordanm | JohnNew: ntfs-3g is for mounting a ntfs partitions, not a SMB windows share. As for the error, you failed to create the directory /mnt1 prior to issueing the command |
| 15:10.03 | JohnNew | jordanm: i created /mnt1 |
| 15:10.21 | jordanm | JohnNew: use -t smbfs |
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| 15:12.51 | cusco | hi |
| 15:13.10 | cusco | nano used to wrap lines by default, I would lauch nano with -w switch for "nowrap" |
| 15:13.18 | cusco | now ... I would like it to wrap |
| 15:13.26 | cusco | but it doesn't by default anymore |
| 15:13.35 | cusco | acording to manpage -r 0 should do it |
| 15:13.43 | cusco | but it doesn't seem to happen, any ideas? |
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| 15:14.54 | jordanm | cusco: does: `type nano` show nano as an alias? |
| 15:16.31 | Varanger | curso: are you Peruvian? |
| 15:16.40 | cafaro | Is it possible to just upgrade the kernel (instead of upgrading all the packages)? |
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| 15:16.59 | jordanm | cafaro: aptitude install <kernel package> |
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| 15:17.42 | cafaro | jordanm: I did a aptitude search, and I only could find 2.6.26 versions, do I need to add a testing source? |
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| 15:19.02 | Varanger | cafaro: Better download the sources from www.kernel.org and look for the instruction in <kp> |
| 15:19.11 | Varanger | -> /msg dpkg kp |
| 15:19.20 | cafaro | ok |
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| 15:21.04 | jordanm | cafaro: what do you need the new kernel for? |
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| 15:21.22 | jordanm | Varanger: don't recommend that when you have no idea the reasoning behind it |
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| 15:21.43 | cafaro | jordanm: I'm still stuck on getting my ATI driver working |
| 15:21.52 | Varanger | jordanm: You are right, but he want a newer kernel without upgrading the packages |
| 15:22.08 | jordanm | Varanger: which is no problem |
| 15:22.20 | Varanger | jordanm: I am also compiling my kernel to enable kms in radeon! |
| 15:22.37 | abrotman | that's a bit different |
| 15:22.53 | Varanger | hello abrotman |
| 15:22.57 | abrotman | bye! |
| 15:23.02 | Varanger | :( |
| 15:23.45 | abrotman | Varanger: how is your process going ? |
| 15:24.04 | Varanger | abrotman: compiling the kernel right now with make-kpkg |
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| 15:24.28 | cusco | jordanm: nop |
| 15:24.35 | cusco | Varanger: no |
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| 15:28.10 | Varanger | is anyone using Kopete right now? |
| 15:28.29 | azeem | probably |
| 15:28.32 | azeem | !ask |
| 15:28.32 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 15:29.20 | Varanger | azeem: Thank you, my problem is that I can't log into a Windows Live account in Debian testing's Kopete |
| 15:29.31 | azeem | Varanger: I never used kopete |
| 15:29.52 | abrotman | yay pidgin! |
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| 15:30.06 | abrotman | does kopete use libpurple or whatever it's called ? |
| 15:30.22 | Varanger | yeah, I am trying KDE right now, Pidgin is from GNOME |
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| 15:30.42 | abrotman | i'm aware of that .. doesn't mean you can't use it |
| 15:30.59 | abrotman | azeem: do you still do the debian-gnome stuff? |
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| 15:32.03 | Varanger | abrotman: About the kernel, I was lazy and did a make oldconfig, the kernel compile is taking ages!!!!!! |
| 15:32.22 | azeem | abrotman: I never did lots of debian-gnome stuff |
| 15:32.39 | abrotman | i just vaguely remember you lurking over there, wasn't sure how involved you were |
| 15:32.48 | abrotman | Varanger: that happens .. lots of stuff |
| 15:33.07 | azeem | well, I'm officially part of the alioth team; I just have almost never uploaded something |
| 15:34.03 | abrotman | ah ok |
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| 15:38.53 | cusco | so.. how can I start nano with wrapping lines enabled? |
| 15:39.38 | jordanm | is it wrong to suggest a real editor? |
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| 15:40.48 | jordanm | cusco: ah, it looks like it might be set in /etc/nanorc and you should be able to override with ~/.nanorc |
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| 15:41.37 | jordanm | cusco: grep 'set nowrap' /etc/nanorc |
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| 15:44.14 | VectorX | hi im trying to update my debian release with apt-get update, but i keep getting a lot of errors and it doesnt complete, it partially completes |
| 15:44.32 | azeem | VectorX: post the full output to a pastebin |
| 15:44.33 | azeem | !paste |
| 15:44.33 | Varanger | VectorX: It says a problem with dbus? |
| 15:44.33 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastebin.ca/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>. |
| 15:45.30 | jordanm | !bat |
| 15:45.30 | dpkg | In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
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| 15:46.58 | VectorX | http://picpaste.com/mbserver.png |
| 15:47.22 | rimmele_mnm | Hi all, i have a root server, and share it with an other administrator. we use keys to auth us with the server. is there a possibility to log which key has done what? |
| 15:48.10 | m-g | When I deleted the partition table of my harddisk, did I also delete the boot menu? Grub I think. Because I recovered some of the partitions with testdisk and can see them when booting with a live cd. But how do i make my HD bootable again? |
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| 15:48.58 | azeem | m-g: reinstall a boot loader |
| 15:49.23 | m-g | azeem: how? |
| 15:49.52 | Varanger | VectorX: I think your Internet connection is not working in you vmware guest |
| 15:49.54 | azeem | !reinstall grub |
| 15:49.54 | dpkg | See http://wiki.debian.org/GrubRecover http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch08s07.html. Boot a CD like <grml>, mount your disk read/write, (mount boot partition into your / partition if applicable,) mount -o bind /dev/ /your/root/dev; chroot /your/root; mount -t proc none /proc; grub-install /dev/foo (you may need to edit /etc/mtab and/or /boot/grub/device.map). Also ask me about <fixmbr> <rescue mode>. |
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| 15:50.13 | VectorX | Varanger no its working, it installed a lot of packages |
| 15:50.18 | VectorX | but just a few there is a issue |
| 15:51.02 | azeem | VectorX: no, it's not working |
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| 15:52.17 | cusco | jordanm: right. thanks |
| 15:52.20 | VectorX | http://picpaste.com/upload.php |
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| 15:52.36 | VectorX | opps http://picpaste.com/mbserver_1.png |
| 15:53.09 | VectorX | lets try that one more time |
| 15:53.27 | VectorX | http://picpaste.com/pics/mbserver_2.1273506838.png |
| 15:53.34 | VectorX | third times a charm |
| 15:53.34 | Varanger | VectorX: Look it says the Network is unreachable |
| 15:53.38 | jordanm | VectorX: are you using a proxy? |
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| 15:53.42 | VectorX | no |
| 15:54.26 | jordanm | VectorX: are you trying to use ipv6 only here? |
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| 15:54.36 | VectorX | what do you mean |
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| 15:55.56 | jordanm | VectorX: can you provide a real paste instead of screenshot? |
| 15:56.07 | VectorX | i cant get the stuff out of the vm |
| 15:56.26 | jordanm | !pastebinit |
| 15:56.27 | dpkg | rumour has it, pastebinit is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>; especially convenient if you don't have a graphical interface. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list" ; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit". Default pastebin is currently broken, use e.g. "pastebinit -b http://paste.debian.net/" |
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| 15:56.50 | jordanm | VectorX: or: ssh from host -> guest |
| 15:57.01 | jordanm | really, "getting stuff out of the vm" should be very trivial |
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| 15:59.06 | VectorX | so paste, apt-get update > pst.txt right ? |
| 15:59.47 | themill | jordanm: speaking of pastebinit... dpkg's tip there at the end doesn't actually work in lenny. That's not a known pastebin. |
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| 16:00.34 | jordanm | !factinfo pastebinit |
| 16:00.34 | dpkg | pastebinit -- created by CutMeOwnThroat <n=k@c-24-14-34-88.hsd1.il.comcast.net> at Sat Nov 15 23:10:38 2008 (540 days); last modified at Thu Apr 15 13:58:27 2010 by jelly!~jelly@lan.iskon.hr; it has been requested 196 times, last by jordanm, 4m 8s ago. |
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| 16:03.25 | jordanm | VectorX: you don't have to redir output to a text file... anything you need to do to copy and paste |
| 16:03.38 | jelly | whistles innocently and quietly walks away |
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| 16:05.54 | jelly | dpkg: pastebinit s,debian.net/,ubuntu.com, |
| 16:05.54 | dpkg | jelly: wish i knew |
| 16:05.54 | jelly | dpkg: pastebinit =~ s,debian.net/,ubuntu.com, |
| 16:05.55 | dpkg | jelly: that doesn't contain 'debian.net/' |
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| 16:06.09 | jordanm | jelly: its already been fixed |
| 16:06.11 | jordanm | !pastebinit |
| 16:06.13 | dpkg | i guess pastebinit is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>; especially convenient if you don't have a graphical interface. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list" ; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit". Default pastebin is currently broken, use e.g. "pastebinit -b http://yourpaste.net" |
| 16:06.26 | jelly | wtf is yourpaste! |
| 16:07.01 | Worf | . o O ( yet another pastebin ) |
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| 16:07.55 | jordanm | jelly: the last working one that is not a ubuntu domain |
| 16:08.11 | jelly | jordanm: there's nothing wrong with ubuntu |
| 16:08.44 | azeem | there's nothing wrong with yourpaste.net, either, AFAICT |
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| 16:10.04 | jelly | I have to rectify the previous statement; downloading the raw paste in paste.ubuntu.com requires login |
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| 16:10.33 | themill | jelly: bugmenot extension.... |
| 16:10.33 | VectorX | ok im trying this paste thing but it isnt working |
| 16:10.52 | VectorX | even installed pastebinit without an issue |
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| 16:12.33 | Worf | VectorX: but some servers he cannot connect to? hmm ... |
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| 16:12.42 | VectorX | yes |
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| 16:16.40 | Worf | VectorX: considering that security.debian.org randomly resolves to different mirrors (iirc) i could imagine that it fails once when it hit's a mirror that is down. but if it constantly fails, something strange must be with your virtual network |
| 16:16.48 | jordanm | Worf: some servers he appears to be getting bad DNS from |
| 16:17.07 | VectorX | http://pastebin.com/Qr2Xpqwx |
| 16:17.08 | jordanm | Worf: I don't think that IP he shows is any in the random DNS |
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| 16:18.09 | Worf | uuh ... IPv6 ... i should start to learn about that somewhen ... |
| 16:18.16 | VectorX | can i turn that off |
| 16:18.24 | VectorX | maybe that will fix the problem, |
| 16:18.45 | jordanm | VectorX: are you using it intentionally? why do you have oldstable in your sources? |
| 16:19.01 | VectorX | im running 2.6.26-2-686 if that helps |
| 16:19.32 | VectorX | its the default install of this http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/VirtualMusicBrainzServer |
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| 16:20.31 | jordanm | ah, nice... no telling what modified |
| 16:20.36 | jordanm | !noipv6 |
| 16:20.36 | dpkg | [noipv6] To disable use of <IPv6> on Lenny: echo "install ipv6 /bin/true" >> /etc/modprobe.d/local.conf (and reboot for the changes to take effect). From Squeeze onwards, IPv6 is built into the kernel, add the kernel command line option "ipv6.disable=1" to your bootloader. |
| 16:20.45 | jordanm | VectorX: remove the oldstable entries from your sources |
| 16:20.46 | rimmele_mnm | Hi all, i have a root server, and share it with an other administrator. we use keys to auth us with the server. is there a possibility to log which key has done what? any idea? :) |
| 16:21.16 | Worf | hmm - the last time i downloaded a prebuilt VM of some project i had the feeling they did the VM because they were to lazy to build proper packages |
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| 16:21.34 | themill | rimmele_mnm: require the use of sudo on administrative actions |
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| 16:22.13 | VectorX | ok rebooting |
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| 16:23.28 | rimmele_mnm | themill: mhh... okay, and if one admin usses sudo, and the other not? because i want to log it and think the other admin has given his login and key to a third person, so i can not tell the thrid person to do sudo. |
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| 16:23.55 | frostschutz | rimmele_mnm: if you think that then seriously, you should just remove his key ... |
| 16:24.09 | jordanm | rimmele_mnm: easy solution: don't share a server with people you can't trust |
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| 16:24.57 | VectorX | wiried its still using ipv6 |
| 16:25.03 | frostschutz | rimmele_mnm: that said I once had access to a server that somehow managed to identify everyone and give everyone their own bash history etc. - more for pratical reasons than logging purposes I guess. Unfortunately I have no idea how to do that :) |
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| 16:25.24 | VectorX | ah i didnt do the bootloader part |
| 16:25.25 | jordanm | VectorX: I suggest you get support from whoever created the image. that is not default behavior |
| 16:25.37 | jordanm | VectorX: the bootloader part is for squeeze |
| 16:25.37 | rimmele_mnm | yes, yes. you are right, but it is a busines server... and we host for the customer on the the customers server. |
| 16:25.43 | Worf | rimmele_mnm: you could maybe track a bit of the history by using something like etckeeper (doesn't help if you can't trust tough) |
| 16:26.32 | jordanm | rimmele_mnm: being that its a business server just gives you _more_ reason not to allow someone you do not trust root access |
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| 16:28.25 | rimmele_mnm | yes but it is the customers server, i can not say to the customer give me root and you get another access |
| 16:28.39 | VectorX | ok how would the line /kernel command line option "ipv6.disable=1" to/ end up looking like, i dont want to muck this up coz its very annoying after that |
| 16:29.16 | jordanm | VectorX: that does not apply to you if you are not running squeeze onward |
| 16:29.24 | VectorX | ok |
| 16:29.40 | VectorX | alright, guess ill throw the towel on this then, im not getting anywhere |
| 16:30.04 | VectorX | thanks for the help |
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| 16:30.57 | isfranc | hello |
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| 16:33.07 | isfranc | i use debian with qemu-kvm backports, i can't run vm with 2 or > cpu is a packages bugs or my pc bug ? |
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| 16:35.15 | HSorgYves | morning, is there a port of libdb4.4 available for lenny? |
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| 16:36.35 | dury | hi there all |
| 16:37.19 | dury | is there 64bit flashplayer for amd64? |
| 16:37.42 | zinx | depends |
| 16:37.47 | zinx | do you want to watch hulu or not? |
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| 16:39.12 | jelly | HSorgYves: how come you need it? |
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| 16:39.33 | wols_ | !flash non-free |
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| 16:40.09 | jelly | !adobe flash |
| 16:40.09 | dpkg | Adobe Flash Player is <non-free> and cannot be in a stable Debian release, as Adobe doesn't provide security support for older versions (see http://bugs.debian.org/457291). The easiest way to install flash is with the flashplayer-mozilla package from <debian-multimedia.org>; there is also a flashplugin-nonfree <contrib> package for sid and backports.org users. Ask me about <dmm> <bpo> <non-free>. http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
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| 16:41.17 | HSorgYves | jelly: i want to try out plesk sitebuilder and it asks for it |
| 16:42.13 | jordanm | !plesk |
| 16:42.13 | dpkg | Parallels Plesk Panel (formerly Plesk) is proprietary web hosting control panel. Not supported in #debian, ask me about <free whcp> for alternatives. http://www.parallels.com/support/plesk/ http://forum.parallels.com/ ##plesk on irc.freenode.net. |
| 16:42.17 | jelly | HSorgYves: it's probably best to use only plesk supported OSes for plesk |
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| 16:42.40 | HSorgYves | jelly: i do not want to use plesk, just the sitebuilder |
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| 16:43.55 | jelly | HSorgYves: since you're already deep in unsupported waters, you might as well use the package from etch but I didn't tell you that, and won't help fixing your Debian from any breakage that causes |
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| 16:44.48 | HSorgYves | jelly: does that mean that the installation of the etch package works without modifications? |
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| 16:45.03 | jelly | it might. |
| 16:45.43 | HSorgYves | jelly: using the deb file or even through aptitude? |
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| 16:46.15 | Archaeopteryx | My sound in flash videos no longer works in iceweasel. I have tried googling but so far no luck with the solutions I have found. I think it may be related to the fact that I had left my USB headset plugged in to the comptuer when booting to debian when I was in vista before. I removed the headset. Now there is only no sound in flash. What can I do to fix this or at least make a step towards fixing it? |
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| 16:46.45 | jelly | HSorgYves: you won't be able to install it from aptitude easily, just get the deb and install with dpkg (and hope) |
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| 16:47.01 | HSorgYves | jelly: i will try and let you know |
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| 16:47.10 | russian_ulysses_ | hi, what is the best way to build gnome from sources on Debian? Gnome way or is there some Debian-specific way? |
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| 16:48.10 | justin | russian_ulysses_: why? |
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| 16:48.24 | russian_ulysses_ | justin for education |
| 16:48.25 | jordanm | russian_ulysses_: well, when you're building upstream you use upstream's methods, which are not supported by downstream (#debian) |
| 16:48.47 | jordanm | IIRC gnome even recommends against building it yourself |
| 16:49.00 | russian_ulysses_ | jordanm is there any special debian method? or gnome is built on Debian just like any other package? |
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| 16:49.10 | russian_ulysses_ | jordanm can you give link? |
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| 16:50.02 | Varanger | do you remember the apt command that looks inside the packages? For instance, I am looking for foo12.so, and the apt finds the package? |
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| 16:50.44 | russian_ulysses_ | Varanger you can use packages.debian.org or try dpkg -S file_path |
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| 16:51.10 | russian_ulysses_ | Varanger but I'm not sure whether former will work for non-installed packages |
| 16:51.24 | Varanger | russian_ulysses: dpkg -S finds the packages already installed, I want the non-installed packages |
| 16:51.24 | jordanm | russian_ulysses_: http://library.gnome.org/misc/release-notes/2.30/#rninstallation |
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| 16:51.32 | EagleRock | Varanger: I think what you're looking for is apt-file |
| 16:51.34 | jordanm | Varanger: apt-file |
| 16:51.38 | jordanm | !tell Varanger about apt-file |
| 16:51.42 | justin | !+search |
| 16:51.42 | dpkg | Please search for things rather than just asking, e.g. 'apt-cache search regex', or with <aptitude search>. The following ways can locate packages that own a file (installed, or candidate for install): 'dpkg -S /bin/foo', <apt-file>, <pdo> (online) and <help find> (bot). <search dpkg> for factoids. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt and ask me about <bot help>. |
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| 16:52.16 | Varanger | jordanm: thank you |
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| 16:52.29 | jordanm | russian_ulysses_: I recommend making good backups or building and running it in a chroot |
| 16:53.29 | russian_ulysses_ | jordanm thank you, with this warning it seems Gnome became less nerdy though. Don't remember them being so expicitly against building from sources :) |
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| 16:55.50 | jordanm | russian_ulysses_: gnome is very large and they shouldn't expect users to compile all that software |
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| 16:58.14 | Archaeopteryx | Now my problem appears to be more than just flash in firefox, I am getting no sound in totem too but I do get sound in amarok |
| 16:58.17 | Archaeopteryx | hmm... |
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| 16:59.30 | Guest73916 | Hi, is it possible to compile kernel 2.6.32 with grsecurity patch on lenny? |
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| 17:00.23 | tuvyz | to get a full-fledged desktop from a minimal debian install, should i 'tasksel desktop' or 'aptitude install gnome'? |
| 17:00.48 | solars | hey, I'm trying to tether over my phone.. and I'm getting a usb0 interface. However, I cannot get a dhcp lease... does anyone know what could be missing here? phone side should be fine.. |
| 17:00.50 | azeem | tasksel is probably preferred |
| 17:00.55 | fluorine | tuvyz: i think tasksel is more comprehensive |
| 17:01.15 | Guest73916 | Does Debian lenny provides kernel package 2.6.32 or I just cannot see it? |
| 17:01.27 | azeem | Guest73916: it doesn't |
| 17:01.34 | azeem | lenny-backports provides it, though |
| 17:01.38 | azeem | !bpo |
| 17:01.38 | dpkg | backports.org is a semi-official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://deb.li/bpoi . A sample line for your sources.list is: deb http://www.backports.org/debian lenny-backports main contrib non-free. Once added: "aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update". <bpo mirrors> <bpo contents> <bpo list> <backports-users> |
| 17:01.53 | fluorine | Guest73916: you could always try backports.org or compile it yourself. |
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| 17:02.22 | jhutchins_lt | solars: Not having a clue what kind of phone you have, or how it provides a network connection, I would say you're missing a guide on how to work with that particular model on linux. |
| 17:03.00 | solars | jhutchins_lt, its an android phone, should work (and is working for everybody else) with a simple 3 step guide.. somehow I just cannot get the interface up... |
| 17:03.08 | Guest73916 | I've tired 3 days (slow machine). I always got the same error... Now won't be trying anymore. |
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| 17:03.35 | azeem | Guest73916: what did you try? |
| 17:03.55 | jhutchins_lt | solars: Is there an #anderoid channel? This doesn't seem to be a debian issue. |
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| 17:04.27 | solars | jhutchins_lt, trying.. I'll tell you in a minute if it is.. |
| 17:04.49 | Guest73916 | azeem: because I have failed. Now I'm gonna use 2.6.26 standard kernel from debian repository. |
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| 17:05.07 | azeem | ok |
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| 17:05.42 | tuvyz | i don't think 'tasksel desktop' installs the same packages that are installed by selecting 'Graphical Desktop Environment' in debian-installer. for one thing, tasksel will not install gnome/nautilus/epiphany... |
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| 17:05.57 | Archaeopteryx | oh man, figured out my audio problem! Turns out there was a checkbox in the mixer for headphone which must have been turned on when I had my headset in but didn't turn off when I unplugged it... |
| 17:06.05 | azeem | tuvyz: hrm, weird |
| 17:06.29 | Guest73916 | Thanks for answering. Have a nice day. Salute! |
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| 17:08.07 | lordnazgul | I've got a bunch of files that I recovered off of a dying HDD. When I run fsck on the new disk i get inode <inode num>, i_size is <correct size>, should be <some really large number> Is there any way to correct this so that the filesystem sees the actual size as correct? |
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| 17:08.27 | azeem | lordnazgul: fsck doesn't correct it? |
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| 17:09.30 | lordnazgul | azeem fsck tries to set it to the unrealistically large number in my case according to fsck, they should all be 3937026338816 |
| 17:10.15 | azeem | then I doubt something else will fix it |
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| 17:11.05 | lordnazgul | azeem, thats what i was afraid of |
| 17:11.15 | tuvyz | but still, 'aptitude install gnome' doesn't install iceweasel, which is installed by debian-installer's 'desktop' task |
| 17:11.30 | dondelelcaro | lordnazgul: if you know the size is right, then answer no. You should also have made a backup of this image before running fsck |
| 17:11.39 | azeem | tuvyz: it's not part of gnome |
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| 17:11.53 | tuvyz | so, how do i get the effect of debian-installer's 'desktop' category if i have a base debian install? |
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| 17:12.03 | dondelelcaro | lordnazgul: you can also use dumpe2fs or debuge2fs to fix things up |
| 17:12.30 | azeem | tuvyz: if tasksel desktop doesn't work, I am not sure what would |
| 17:12.30 | lordnazgul | doddelelcaro, these were files restored from a dying hdd. i'm inclined to believe that the metadata for the files was kind of hosed up to begin with |
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| 17:13.21 | EagleRock | tuvyz: have you tried just running tasksel and selecting the "desktop environment" checkbox instead of specifying the task on the command-line? |
| 17:13.23 | EagleRock | just a thought |
| 17:14.39 | dondelelcaro | lordnazgul: yeah, it's quite likely, which is why you make a backup before trying to do anything else to it |
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| 17:17.54 | lordnazgul | dondelelcaro, i did that, and can restore it if necessary, not terribly worried about data loss, more concerned with the possibility of propagating filesystem corruption |
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| 17:21.47 | SerajewelKS | is there an HCL specifically for USB devices instead of PCI? |
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| 17:22.46 | dondelelcaro | lordnazgul: if you copy the files to a new filesystem, they should be ok |
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| 17:23.02 | dondelelcaro | lordnazgul: but I wouldn't use a filesystem from a broken drive |
| 17:23.06 | cahoot | SerajewelKS: perhaps http://www.qbik.ch/usb/devices/ |
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| 17:26.44 | SerajewelKS | cahoot: cool, thanks |
| 17:26.54 | SerajewelKS | cahoot: doesn't seem to have a minimum working kernel version though :( |
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| 17:29.05 | SerajewelKS | squeeze it is then... |
| 17:29.27 | docmur | how do I open port 631 for cups, when I run nmap -p 631 1.1.1.1 it shows it as being closed so I added the iptable iptables -A INPUT -s 1.1.1.1 -p tcp -m tcp --dport 631 -j ACCEPT and then did iptables-save -c /etc/network/iptable and iptables-apply |
| 17:29.38 | docmur | but when I nmap again it shows that port as still closed |
| 17:29.52 | cahoot | cups running? |
| 17:29.58 | cahoot | cupsd |
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| 17:30.31 | SerajewelKS | also is cups bound to lo (127.0.0.1) ? |
| 17:30.47 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: you mean like the kmuto website ? |
| 17:30.55 | docmur | I did /etc/init.d/cups start and cups status shows it as being started |
| 17:31.07 | docmur | This is a network computer I'm trying to setup the server on |
| 17:31.07 | lindi- | docmur: netstat -alpn|grep :631 |
| 17:31.11 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: right, only for usb, not pci |
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| 17:31.35 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: if you look through the udev source (not sure if you really to do this), you can kind of see how it does it |
| 17:31.39 | SerajewelKS | docmur: cupsd binds to lo by default on debian |
| 17:32.04 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: i uh, that might be a bit more involved than i want to get :P |
| 17:32.10 | docmur | U see 0 : :1:631 and 0 0.0.0.0:631 and 0 127.0.0.1:631 |
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| 17:32.16 | docmur | how do I bind it another ip |
| 17:32.57 | karlpinc_ | docmur: /etc/cups/cupsd.conf |
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| 17:34.32 | karlpinc_ | docmur: zless /usr/share/doc/cups-bsd/README.Debian.gz for more info. |
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| 17:34.58 | docmur | so if I wnat to allow everyone to access the server do I just do order allow, allow, I have it binding to the right IP now I just get 403 Access error |
| 17:35.18 | jordanm | wishes there was a zmost so he didn't have to zcat | pager |
| 17:35.48 | jordanm | docmur: order allow, deny; #httpd |
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| 17:38.53 | _pepo_ | hi friend |
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| 17:41.13 | jhutchins_lt | docmur: It's not necessary for remote users to access the control pages. Enable sharing from the localhost and it should allow remote printing. You only need the GUI interface if you're doing remote control & configuration (which you could do over ssh). |
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| 18:08.23 | wildc4rd | evenin' all |
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| 18:11.41 | giwe | What is the recommended way of compiling 2.6.33 kernel with lenny? Is there a guide for getting and building a new kernel-package? |
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| 18:12.54 | jordanm | giwe: what do you need .33 for? will .32 work? |
| 18:13.12 | giwe | 32 may work too. |
| 18:13.28 | jordanm | ,kernels |
| 18:13.29 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.33-2-686 (2.6.33-1~experimental.5); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-12); squeeze: 2.6.32-3-686 (2.6.32-9); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.4-686 (2.6.32-11~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-21lenny4); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
| 18:13.51 | jordanm | giwe: just install .32 from lenny backports, assuming you are running lenny |
| 18:13.55 | jordanm | !tell giwe about bpo |
| 18:14.27 | jordanm | giwe: if you _must_ compile your own, /msg dpkg kernel-package |
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| 18:14.47 | giwe | jordanm: for 33 I guess yes. |
| 18:15.12 | giwe | jordanm: I'll go with 32 for now. |
| 18:15.27 | giwe | jordanm: it contains the feature I need. |
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| 18:19.04 | jaggy | Hello, I've ran into some problem, I've got a remote dedi server on a ssh connection, but I'm trying to install vnc (tightvncserver), now, it runs, but the hal keeps erroring, any thoughts? http://pastie.org/954104 |
| 18:21.02 | kuber | May 10 14:16:45 kuber sshd[9232]: Invalid user harrypotter from 82.102.5.31 |
| 18:21.06 | kuber | apparently harry is in portugal these days |
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| 18:21.45 | SerajewelKS | jaggy: it means that the VNC server doesn't provide the XKeyboard extension, which gnome-settings-daemon requires |
| 18:21.50 | SerajewelKS | jaggy: also, this is nothing to do with HAL |
| 18:22.09 | SerajewelKS | i'm not sure where you even saw hal |
| 18:22.21 | jaggy | SerajewelKS, sorry, I thought it was, as the server just errors with "error with HAL" .. what packets do I need for the xkeyboard? |
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| 18:23.18 | SerajewelKS | jaggy: VNC doesn't support XKeyboard. you have to disable gnome-settings-daemon's usage of it, which must be done by manually editing a gconf value. |
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| 18:25.00 | jaggy | SerajewelKS, any clue which one? :( |
| 18:25.24 | SerajewelKS | yes, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=481030 |
| 18:25.31 | SerajewelKS | jaggy: see the very last message |
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| 18:27.03 | saulo | >I'm trying enable Apache + LDAP + SVN to enable my SVN server service. All almost done, but with this config at Apache: http://pastebin.com/e6cg1Yt2 When I connect from an SVN client I receive the error "Repository moved permanently to 'http:...'; mplease relocate. With best info I found here: http://subversion.apache.org/faq.html#http-301-error . What I'm doing wrong? |
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| 18:27.35 | SerajewelKS | saulo: ask #apache perhaps? |
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| 18:27.41 | j00bar | howdy! i'm using python-apt and i'd love to be able to silence the "Reading packaging lists..." etc output |
| 18:27.42 | pzn | which command/file can I use to see how many memory slots and sizes are used (without opening the machine) |
| 18:27.58 | j00bar | i've tried setting the "quiet" configuration in python to 2, but i can't seem to suppress it. |
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| 18:28.01 | j00bar | any suggestions? |
| 18:28.02 | saulo | Tryed there, but no info :( |
| 18:28.11 | jaggy | SerajewelKS, deactivated it, still getting the message "failed to initialze HAL" when I launch my vnc :s |
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| 18:28.34 | SerajewelKS | jaggy: do you get all the error messages from the VNC server now? |
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| 18:29.52 | emeriwrk | having some kern messages during a pscp transfer Bad page state in process 'sftp-server' , Bad page state in process 'kswapd0'. This machine is essential a clone of a bunch of others that are not having the same issues, my first guess is a bad stick of ram, but figured id check here first |
| 18:29.55 | jaggy | yea SerajewelKS http://pastie.org/954122, now it says about hal |
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| 18:31.38 | SerajewelKS | jaggy: are hal and libhal1 installed? |
| 18:31.44 | SerajewelKS | jaggy: and is dbus running? |
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| 18:32.39 | jaggy | yes, yes and yes :s |
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| 18:33.54 | SerajewelKS | is hal running? :) |
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| 18:35.09 | jaggy | SerajewelKS, err, howto check that? xD |
| 18:35.33 | jaggy | (ps aux ain't showing it if that's what you want to know) |
| 18:35.37 | saulo | Somebody here hav SVN + LDAP + Apache working? |
| 18:36.16 | SerajewelKS | jaggy: it runs as "/usr/sbin/hald". try "/etc/init.d/hal start" |
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| 18:37.14 | jaggy | now it is SerajewelKS :p let's see |
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| 18:39.32 | jaggy | SerajewelKS, o.O Seems to have fixed the problem :p, should I add it to startup? |
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| 18:43.15 | SerajewelKS | jaggy: it should have started by itself |
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| 18:43.28 | jaggy | SerajewelKS, well, it's there already indeed :p thanks allot :) |
| 18:43.30 | SerajewelKS | jaggy: it's a system daemon |
| 18:43.34 | SerajewelKS | jaggy: np |
| 18:43.39 | SerajewelKS | jaggy: perhaps it crashed or something |
| 18:43.40 | jaggy | SerajewelKS, idk if you know this, but, when I launch my vnc, I can wget from the connection, but my browser says that i'm running offline mode, any thoughts on that? I think it's just selecting the wrong |
| 18:43.51 | jaggy | probably, that stuff happends I guess :p |
| 18:44.08 | SerajewelKS | jaggy: well, you could try turning off offline mode |
| 18:44.31 | jaggy | slaps his forehad ... That worked SerajewelKS :p |
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| 18:46.58 | sotmg | hello all, which one is better performance wise: nvidia-glx debian package or nvidia.com's nvidia driver? |
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| 18:48.04 | sotmg | i setup my lenny system and everything is ready, only this remains and i am thinking to install nvidia.com's driver since it is newer and should have more options/fixes/enhancments. |
| 18:49.03 | Chaos|Baghdad | be a man, use sid |
| 18:49.04 | jaggy | SerajewelKS, Can't thank you enough, you've made my day :) thanks allot |
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| 18:49.48 | sotmg | Chaos|Baghdad: men are stable, women are unstable. :P |
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| 18:50.14 | emeriwrk | or they have bugs |
| 18:50.15 | Chaos|Baghdad | well then I'm a woman |
| 18:50.42 | Chaos|Baghdad | awww shit this place is logged |
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| 18:51.07 | sotmg | well, could you suggest me which way to go? |
| 18:51.08 | j00bar | dear bash.org.... guess what chaos|baghdad said today? |
| 18:51.39 | Chaos|Baghdad | j00bar: no |
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| 18:52.47 | sotmg | i am one step away from booting into my debian, waiting is killing me.. :D |
| 18:53.28 | petemc | what are you waiting for? |
| 18:53.45 | sotmg | hello all, which one is better performance wise: nvidia-glx debian package or nvidia.com's nvidia driver? |
| 18:53.50 | sotmg | i setup my lenny system and everything is ready, only this remains and i am thinking to install nvidia.com's driver since it is newer and should have more options/fixes/enhancments. |
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| 18:54.11 | sotmg | petemc: not sure which one to choose. |
| 18:54.16 | petemc | try them both |
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| 18:54.34 | petemc | you'll need to boot your system regardless |
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| 18:55.03 | sotmg | well, i was hoping to see if someone already tried it. :) |
| 18:55.32 | SerajewelKS | jaggy: np |
| 18:55.51 | petemc | sotmg: lots of people use both, but you should note you can install the non free driver via the packaging system, you dont need to use the one from nvidia.com |
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| 18:56.12 | SerajewelKS | sotmg: they are technically the same driver |
| 18:56.25 | sotmg | they have different version. |
| 18:56.29 | SerajewelKS | sotmg: the version in debian might lag behind the one on nvidia.com, but it's recommended that you use the one in debian |
| 18:56.36 | sotmg | in window$, newer is better. |
| 18:56.42 | SerajewelKS | sotmg: wrong |
| 18:56.42 | sotmg | i see. |
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| 18:57.01 | SerajewelKS | sotmg: my xp install has been fucked over by poor driver updates many times |
| 18:57.15 | SerajewelKS | sotmg: i no longer update drivers unless there is a very compelling reason to |
| 18:57.33 | SerajewelKS | sotmg: and the possibility of getting an extra 0.5fps is not a compelling reason |
| 18:57.34 | sotmg | i see. |
| 18:57.43 | SerajewelKS | linux drivers are no exception |
| 18:58.03 | sotmg | ok then, going to nvidia.com's driver. :D |
| 18:58.16 | sotmg | v195 > v173 |
| 18:58.22 | SerajewelKS | have fun |
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| 18:58.49 | petemc | SerajewelKS: is there no nouveau package? |
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| 19:00.53 | SerajewelKS | petemc: nouveau is still a bit too fragile for me to recommend it to people |
| 19:01.06 | SerajewelKS | petemc: i'm using it because the nonfree nvidia driver simply doesn't work |
| 19:02.38 | petemc | i use a mac for all my pointing and clicking needs |
| 19:02.51 | Nebukadneza | heho |
| 19:03.18 | zrin | I have a remote system (ssh connection) with corrupted root fs, mounted read only, with plenty of LVM space on other devices; is it possible to remount / to something else in order to repair the original / ? |
| 19:03.20 | SerajewelKS | petemc: all that means is that you feel ok spending your hard-earned money on an overpriced piece of shit :) |
| 19:03.56 | zrin | :) |
| 19:04.36 | petemc | not quite, it means i have no qualms about spending someone elses money on something that is obviously overpriced but considerably better than anything else in the same market, from my perspective |
| 19:04.44 | Nebukadneza | i'm trying to build a crosscompiler for amd64 on i386... i followed the emdebian howto (http://www.emdebian.org/tools/crossdev.html) - when dpkg-buildpackage'ing gcc i get a libc6-dev-i386-amd64-cross (the library built/installed by apt-cross was libc6-dev-amd64-cross) ... when i override using -d almost everything seems to work, just at the end i get this: http://nopaste.ghostdub.de/?10 |
| 19:04.50 | Nebukadneza | any ideas how i could get this to work? :/ |
| 19:04.59 | Nebukadneza | i also haven't figured out a way to get hold of libc6-dev-i386-amd64-cross |
| 19:05.01 | SerajewelKS | zrin: in theory you can create an LVM snapshot, remount / as the snapshot, then go to work on the real / |
| 19:05.16 | SerajewelKS | zrin: the "remount / as the snapshot" is the step i'm not sure if you can actually perform |
| 19:05.22 | zrin | SerajewelKS: how do I remount / ? |
| 19:05.33 | Nebukadneza | mount -o remount |
| 19:05.47 | SerajewelKS | zrin: hmm, nevermind, you can't remount using a different device |
| 19:05.52 | zrin | root fs is not on a LV |
| 19:06.04 | SerajewelKS | ah |
| 19:06.06 | SerajewelKS | then you are fucked |
| 19:06.06 | zrin | SerajewelKS: I was afraid you would say that ;) |
| 19:06.09 | jelly-home | zrin: you can't boot from clean media? |
| 19:06.15 | SerajewelKS | jelly-home: he is remote |
| 19:06.26 | jelly-home | SerajewelKS: that doens't answer my question |
| 19:06.42 | SerajewelKS | presumably, were he there he would be able to throw in a live cd... |
| 19:06.50 | zrin | jelly-home: I'm about to go to the clients office, it's only 45 Min ... |
| 19:06.52 | SerajewelKS | zrin: can you have somebody on-site throw in a live cd? :) |
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| 19:07.21 | jelly-home | zrin: that'll be faster and more reliable than trying to futz around with pivot_root, yes |
| 19:07.22 | zrin | SerajewelKS: I'll prepare that option for the next time |
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| 19:07.35 | SerajewelKS | zrin: though the live cd probably doesn't start an sshd, so meh |
| 19:07.47 | SerajewelKS | generally if there is a problem with your / volume or the kernel, you need to be there to fix it |
| 19:07.52 | jelly-home | SerajewelKS: then he's not using the right livecd |
| 19:08.02 | zrin | jelly-home: I guess so :) |
| 19:08.39 | zrin | SerajewelKS: I'll prepare a spare CF that can be replaced easily |
| 19:08.39 | SerajewelKS | jelly-home: having a contingency plan is nice, but often it's a lot of work for something that probably won't happen... and if the drive is short probably not worth it either |
| 19:09.07 | jelly-home | (or right hardware; many brands have remote "lights-out" management functionality with optionally being able to boot from remote .iso image) |
| 19:09.21 | SerajewelKS | zrin: 45 min drive sucks, i've made that drive three times today. once to work, and then once back home and back to work to get my work laptop, which i left at home :( |
| 19:09.28 | SerajewelKS | jelly-home: nifty |
| 19:09.32 | jaggy | Anyreason why my any reason why my apt-get update ignores somany repo's? http://pastie.org/954192 |
| 19:09.49 | SerajewelKS | jaggy: because they are up-to-date locally? |
| 19:09.58 | zrin | well ... let me pack than ... have a nice time |
| 19:10.15 | jaggy | oh, ok, thanks :), and then why can't my apt-get find flashplugin-nonfree? :s |
| 19:10.15 | SerajewelKS | zrin: good luck |
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| 19:10.56 | SerajewelKS | jaggy: what's the output of "apt-cache policy flashplugin-nonfree" |
| 19:11.09 | jelly-home | SerajewelKS: I tried to pivot_root to a tmpfs once, to be able to reformat the (only) raid array online, it failed spectacularly ;-) |
| 19:11.15 | SerajewelKS | jaggy: ah, right, you're missing backports |
| 19:11.28 | SerajewelKS | !tell jaggy about backports.org |
| 19:11.35 | SerajewelKS | jelly-home: awesome |
| 19:11.37 | jaggy | hmm, backports, i remember that :p thanks again xD |
| 19:11.46 | SerajewelKS | jaggy: np |
| 19:11.58 | SerajewelKS | jelly-home: i'd expect it would just tell you "no, i can't do that, dave" |
| 19:12.08 | SerajewelKS | jelly-home: did it actually attempt to do it and then panic or something? |
| 19:12.43 | jelly-home | SerajewelKS: theoretically can be done; first I couldn't persude init to not use old root dev any more, and after that tmpfs corrupted in... interesting ways |
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| 19:14.16 | jelly-home | this way in early-mid 2.6 days, something like 2.6.10, so who knows |
| 19:15.02 | jelly-home | now we mostly have HP Proliants with iLO (remote power, reset button, console, serial, boot from iso or floppy image), so I don't have to care |
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| 19:16.50 | jelly-home | not going to tell someone to do shit like that, esp. not over irc |
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| 19:33.58 | DexterF | hi |
| 19:34.09 | DexterF | couldn't exec fakeroot debian/rules: <-- whats debuild trying to tell me here? |
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| 19:35.04 | jeeves_moss | how can I install net-ssh-gateway for ruby so it'll work with GL-Tail? |
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| 19:35.57 | SerajewelKS | DexterF: that you need to install fakeroot perhaps? |
| 19:36.04 | DexterF | is installed |
| 19:36.17 | TGP1994 | Hi there everyone. I know this is a rather silly question, but does anyone know where I can find an ISO image of Debian Hamm? |
| 19:36.26 | SerajewelKS | DexterF: pastebin the entire output then |
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| 19:36.38 | DexterF | TGP1994: google? :) |
| 19:36.48 | TGP1994 | DexterF: Believe me, I tried :) |
| 19:37.05 | TGP1994 | DexterF: Even tried the waybackmachine, but any ftp link is broken there. |
| 19:37.07 | DexterF | TGP1994: delorean, modem, laptop? :) |
| 19:37.16 | TGP1994 | DexterF: What? |
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| 19:38.11 | TGP1994 | DexterF: What are you talking about? |
| 19:38.13 | DexterF | SerajewelKS: http://pastebin.com/udUx8qmW I guessit's rather the missing lib then debuild at a second glance |
| 19:38.28 | DexterF | TGP1994: "back to the future" reference, scnr ;) |
| 19:38.47 | TGP1994 | DexterF: Ohh, umm... :P |
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| 19:38.56 | SerajewelKS | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:IMG_9992.jpg |
| 19:39.41 | sigmonsays | !debian mentor |
| 19:39.43 | sigmonsays | !mentor |
| 19:39.43 | dpkg | rumour has it, mentors is the system that the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers and get their packages into the Debian archive. Ask me about <nmg> or <mg>. http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ http://mentors.debian.net/ #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org. |
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| 19:43.01 | DexterF | sigmonsays: dont get me wrong, but I didnt mean to devote a lifetime to studying the (esoteric and cryptic) maintainer guide, I just want to compile this and that src tarball once in a while. if all else fails ill go for checkinstall. |
| 19:43.28 | DexterF | plus I cant really code, no point makign me a maintainer |
| 19:43.47 | sigmonsays | uhhh |
| 19:44.00 | sigmonsays | blank stare |
| 19:44.09 | DexterF | ? |
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| 19:44.27 | DexterF | did I get something wrong here..? |
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| 19:46.35 | sigmonsays | I was just looking for #debian-mentors |
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| 19:47.04 | TGP1994 | So DexterF, do you happen to know where I can find one of them ISO's? |
| 19:47.36 | DexterF | TGP1994: actually not. out of curiosity - what for? |
| 19:47.56 | TGP1994 | Well... I've never really used anything older than Lenny, so I thought the experience would be cool. |
| 19:48.08 | DexterF | sigmonsays: uh, oh :D I thought that was to me to get my build done :D |
| 19:48.36 | DexterF | TGP1994: out for a ccol experience? try linux from scratch. |
| 19:48.46 | DexterF | teaches you everything. or run slackware. |
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| 19:49.11 | sigmonsays | run a desktop on slackware for a real challenge |
| 19:49.16 | TGP1994 | Well, I tried LFS awhile ago ans got stuck, and I like debian's apt-get, so no slack pour moi. |
| 19:49.26 | AimHere | Slackware isn't really difficult |
| 19:49.43 | amphi | and it has the best name ;) |
| 19:49.46 | TGP1994 | Well, I'm just attached to the package management system. |
| 19:49.54 | AimHere | It's normally fairly straightforward to find out if you've missed a dependency |
| 19:50.05 | cahoot | TGP1994: http://archive.debian.org/debian-archive/debian/dists/ |
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| 19:50.35 | TGP1994 | cahoot: Ya, but the floppy method is... kinda confusing. I was just hoping if someone happened to have an ISO, or even a physical Cd on hand. |
| 19:51.08 | cahoot | TGP1994: I think the floppy goes with the territory |
| 19:51.19 | DexterF | AimHere: ive been with slack for almost 4 years - I know it is. its simplicity is what makes it difficult, paradox enough. its insane to properly maintain. |
| 19:51.21 | TGP1994 | You mean that's how it is? |
| 19:51.27 | DexterF | good fun tho |
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| 19:52.08 | cahoot | TGP1994: I don't know - used debian only since sarge was testing |
| 19:52.12 | TGP1994 | cahoot: What's werid is, the installation guide mentions installing from a CD, but gives no indication wahtsoever as to getting that CD image, other than from "our official repository" |
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| 20:01.16 | mfedyk | what's the name of the kernel dev metapackage? to build modules against the installed kernel... |
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| 20:01.39 | mfedyk | need it for documentation but don't have a recent deb install right now. |
| 20:02.01 | mfedyk | linux-dev? |
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| 20:04.26 | jeeves_moss | how can I install net-ssh-gateway for ruby so it'll work with GL-Tail? |
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| 20:05.06 | petemc | mfedyk: linux-headers-foo |
| 20:05.25 | ironm | hi guys :) - what is the right syntax for /etc/network/interfaces in debian squeeze to define some additional IP-address on eth0? ... such config works under Ubunut 10.04 but NOT in squeeze ... thank you in advance for any hints |
| 20:06.05 | ironm | http://paste.debian.net/72844/ |
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| 20:06.05 | mfedyk | petemc: that's only for a specific version. what's the meta-package? linux-headers? |
| 20:06.39 | rgr | the online chess site FICS is telling me I dont have Java installed. Yet debian synaptic tells me it is. Whats the next step? |
| 20:06.42 | petemc | linux-headers-2.6-arch is as generic as it gets |
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| 20:07.21 | EdgEy_ | rgr are you sure you have the java plugin for your browser and not just java runtime maybe ? |
| 20:07.34 | SerajewelKS | rgr: also, don't use jin, it sucks |
| 20:07.47 | SerajewelKS | rgr: use eboard or xboard or something |
| 20:07.48 | mfedyk | petemc: ahh so it's linux-headers-2.6-`uname -i`. ty. |
| 20:08.02 | SerajewelKS | mfedyk: not quite, but close |
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| 20:08.19 | SerajewelKS | mfedyk: there is no uname incantation that returns the arch in the same format that debian packages use |
| 20:08.37 | rgr | I dont intent to use jin. I just want to login to change my password. |
| 20:08.59 | lucazzomiu | hi, during debian installation (netinst squeeze) it asks me which initrd i want to install. i install a debian on a virtual machine, which i should choose? |
| 20:09.02 | mfedyk | SerajewelKS: ok, so can you tell me if the dkms package has the right deps so I can just document "apt-get install dkms" and leave it at that? |
| 20:09.06 | rgr | but the question remains, why is it telling me that java is not installed? |
| 20:09.32 | SerajewelKS | mfedyk: you want linux-headers-`uname -r | sed 's#.*-\([^-]\+\)#\1#'` |
| 20:09.43 | SerajewelKS | mfedyk: rather, linux-headers-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's#.*-\([^-]\+\)#\1#'` |
| 20:09.58 | JoshH | rgr: what does java -version say? |
| 20:10.05 | SerajewelKS | mfedyk: apt-cache show dkms |
| 20:10.25 | SerajewelKS | rgr: probably because you have the jre but not the plugin |
| 20:10.36 | SerajewelKS | rgr: if you just want to change your password, "telnet freechess.org 5000" from a terminal |
| 20:10.39 | mfedyk | SerajewelKS: that works not so well from centos and fedora... I'm documenting stuff and don't have a deb install right now. |
| 20:10.54 | SerajewelKS | mfedyk: http://packages.debian.org/dkms |
| 20:11.01 | SerajewelKS | mfedyk: all the dependencies are listed there |
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| 20:11.32 | rgr | what plugin package? |
| 20:11.54 | SerajewelKS | rgr: that depends on what jre you have installed. and you can avoid all this by just using telnet. :P |
| 20:12.15 | rgr | I want the site to come up. |
| 20:12.35 | SerajewelKS | rgr: ah, i must be confused. earlier you said you wanted to change your password. apparently i misheard you. |
| 20:12.36 | rgr | I have the sun jre |
| 20:12.41 | SerajewelKS | rgr: which one? |
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| 20:12.58 | rgr | No you didnt. I do want to change my password. As the first thing. Then maybe test jin. |
| 20:13.25 | SerajewelKS | so you want to change your password, but you want to do it a specific way, instead of the easiest way :) |
| 20:13.36 | rgr | eated on Saturday 2001/02/10 00:16:24 |
| 20:13.36 | rgr | <rgr> the online chess site FICS is telling me I dont have Java installed. Yet |
| 20:13.36 | rgr | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:13.36 | rgr | <petemc> linux-headers-2.6-arch is as generic as it gets |
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| 20:13.58 | SerajewelKS | clap clap clap |
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| 20:15.05 | rgr | sorry about the paste. mistake. |
| 20:15.12 | rgr | Java(TM) SE Runtime Environment (build 1.6.0_20-b02) |
| 20:15.26 | SerajewelKS | rgr: dpkg -l sun-java\* | grep ^i |
| 20:15.33 | lucazzomiu | or better: what is the difference between generic initrd or targeted if i know that i will not upgrade system hardware? |
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| 20:16.49 | rgr | The plugin listed is installed. |
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| 20:18.02 | Ickarus | Hi, is there a way to configurate notify-osd that it gets transparent if i do a mouse over like its on ubuntu? currently its blocking the windows behind the notfication (debian-testing) |
| 20:19.15 | mfedyk | SerajewelKS: I guess I'll have it say "apt-get install dkms linux-headers" since it's only a recommends. ty |
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| 20:27.22 | jordanm | mfedyk: recommends are installed by default |
| 20:27.26 | jordanm | !tell mfedyk about why recommends |
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| 20:27.58 | mfedyk | oh, ok. |
| 20:28.05 | mfedyk | ty |
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| 20:29.30 | mfedyk | my last debian was sarge, so I didn't know about that change. |
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| 20:30.01 | XLV | KicKban, onjoin spam |
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| 20:30.26 | jordanm | XLV: do: !ops KicKban onjoin psam |
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| 20:30.39 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: xlv complains about: KicKban onjoin spam |
| 20:30.54 | iceyp | hey guys, does anyone know of a way to have a more accurate cronjob? I need it to process a request at a specific time on the dot |
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| 20:31.01 | ironm | any idea why the following interfaces-config works for ubuntu 10.04 but NOT for squeezy? ... tnx in advance for any hints! :-) .. http://paste.debian.net/72855/ |
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| 20:31.22 | dondelelcaro | iceyp: how accurate do you need? |
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| 20:31.36 | dondelelcaro | iceyp: cronjobs and at jobs are generally run fairly close to on time |
| 20:31.52 | iceyp | well at the moment a command is run 1 second after the minute, I need to run it 1.250 seconds after |
| 20:31.54 | jordanm | ironm: you have both static _and_ dhcp for eth0 |
| 20:32.28 | ironm | jordanm: it is commented out ;-) |
| 20:32.33 | marienz | XLV: ty :) |
| 20:32.48 | iceyp | basically if my script runs just before 1 second the remote database is still in maintenance mode so will cause my session to time out after 14 seconds, if i run it at 2 seconds past then someone has beat me to the database |
| 20:33.00 | emeriwrk | iceyp: temp until someone who knows better you could sleep X ttime before that command |
| 20:33.18 | iceyp | emeriwrk sleep only works in seconds doesnt it? |
| 20:33.24 | emeriwrk | not on my box |
| 20:33.30 | iceyp | mmm, let me lookie again |
| 20:33.36 | emeriwrk | .25 cames back faster that 1 |
| 20:33.49 | jordanm | !ubuntu |
| 20:33.49 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 20:34.05 | dondelelcaro | iceyp: debian's lseep implementation takes floating point numbers, but in the case you're talking about, you should just retry immediately |
| 20:34.07 | emeriwrk | sleep --help |
| 20:34.12 | iceyp | ahh i'm na idiot, didnt realize i could put sleep 1.250 :P |
| 20:34.12 | jordanm | ironm: I just noticed thats the same host you showed a ubuntu `uname -a` on. your looking for #ubuntu |
| 20:34.44 | dondelelcaro | iceyp: and honestly, if you've got such a race condition in a database, something is wrong with whatever you're doing. |
| 20:34.59 | emeriwrk | like said above, other implentations might not alow float |
| 20:35.11 | iceyp | dondelelcaro no, it's getting a request to a server to register a domain as it expires |
| 20:35.12 | ironm | jordanm: the point is that I want to use such config on debian squeeze ;-) .. but it doesn't work |
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| 20:36.14 | dondelelcaro | iceyp: so you run a few dozen sessions to try to get it, each with a slight delay, or similar. |
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| 20:37.52 | abou_7anash_009 | hi my master dns server broke did setup a new master but when the slave tries to transfer I get the following ..refresh: unexpected rcode (REFUSED)...no firewalls, allow transfer set and master server set ...any hints ? |
| 20:37.58 | ironm | jordanm: interesting ... I have rebooted the server with squeeze .. and it is working now :o() .. http://paste.debian.net/72857/ |
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| 20:41.20 | ironm | what is the difference between "allow-hotplug eth0:1" and "auto eth0:1" |
| 20:43.25 | cusco | ironm: I guess (only guessing) that auto starts it at boot time, while allow hotplug, starts it as soon as connected |
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| 20:44.48 | ironm | thank you very much cusco :) .. it looks like "allow-hotplug eth0" doesn't work for virtual ip-interfaces in squeezy .. |
| 20:47.55 | simonrvn | squeezy? |
| 20:48.16 | ironm | ops .. squeeze simonrvn ;-) |
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| 20:57.36 | jhutchins_lt | ironm: Not too surprizing that a non-physical device doesn't work with hotplug. |
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| 20:58.45 | ironm | thanks a lot you jhutchins_lt .. "auto eth0:1" etc works :-) |
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| 20:59.20 | jhutchins_lt | ironm: Yeah, but that's based on init, not a physical event. |
| 20:59.35 | ironm | hmm .. |
| 20:59.50 | jhutchins_lt | ironm: There's probably a way to tie it to the physical instance coming up, but it would involve scriptduggery. |
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| 21:01.06 | ironm | jhutchins_lt: I mean "auto-hotplug eth0" and "auto eth0:0" work as expected .. (squeezy) |
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| 21:03.29 | jhutchins | Well, eth0:0 _is_ eth0, so... |
| 21:03.46 | ironm | jhutchins_lt: it works /using such configuration: http://paste.debian.net/72861/ |
| 21:03.55 | jhutchins | ironm: You'll notice that you can't have seperate configs for them. |
| 21:04.35 | ironm | jhutchins: is it possible to use "more compact" syntax for the definition of virtual ip-interfaces? |
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| 21:05.11 | jhutchins | ironm: Nt sure, I've only used them with RH style configs, not Debian style. |
| 21:05.15 | Tramp | why not simply "ip addr add" in up (or post-up)? virtual interfaces are deprecated anyways |
| 21:05.33 | ironm | thank you very much for your hinst jhutchins :-) |
| 21:06.01 | jhutchins | Tramp: You want to explain that last part? |
| 21:06.20 | jhutchins | Tramp: What replaces them, and where is it documented? |
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| 21:06.53 | Tramp | jhutchins: as I said: adding IPs to an interface with "ip addr add" (iproute(2)) |
| 21:06.54 | ironm | Tramp: "ip addr add" is new for me .. |
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| 21:07.26 | Tramp | ifconfig is deprecated. Happily celebrating 10 years of deprecation ...... |
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| 21:08.00 | DelphiWorld | hi |
| 21:08.02 | jhutchins | Tramp: ... and still going strong, but what does ifconfig have to do with virtual addresses? |
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| 21:08.35 | ironm | Tramp: what should you use instead of "ifconfig" ? |
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| 21:08.44 | Tramp | jhutchins: with ifconfig you have to use "virtual interfaces" to add additioal IPs to an interface |
| 21:09.00 | Tramp | jhutchins: it's sort of a "hack" and always was |
| 21:09.15 | Tramp | ironm: again: iproute2 (man ip) |
| 21:09.28 | ironm | tnx Tramp :-) |
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| 21:12.03 | ironm | Tramp: a lot of stuff (man ip) .. but very interesting :-) |
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| 21:15.23 | simonrvn | ironm: also take a look at {post,pre}-{up,down} (post-up pre-up pre-down post-down) in man 5 interfaces to set up some commands in /e/n/interfaces with ip(8) |
| 21:15.26 | jacekowski | ehhhhhhhhhhhh |
| 21:15.27 | jacekowski | php5-fcgi[21823]: segfault at 4d00000050 ip 00007f7c2e88d752 sp 00007fff8efb7328 error 4 in libc-2.10.2.so[7f7c2e811000+14a000] |
| 21:15.30 | jacekowski | grsec: From 109.224.137.83: Segmentation fault occurred at 0000004d00000050 in /usr/bin/php5-cgi[php5-fcgi:21823] uid/euid:33/33 gid/egid:33/33, parent /usr/lib/apache2/mpm-worker/apache2[apache2:31015] uid/euid:0/33 gid/egid:33/33 |
| 21:16.07 | simonrvn | check your php log |
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| 21:16.55 | ironm | thank you very much simonrvn .. I've just tried "ip addr { add | del } IFADDR dev STRING" .. like "ip addr add 192.168.1.90 dev eth0:7" .. but DON't see any results of this command |
| 21:17.19 | SerajewelKS | ironm: you can only have one ipv4 address per interface |
| 21:17.35 | Tramp | you can have as many as you like |
| 21:17.46 | SerajewelKS | Tramp: no, you can only have one per interface |
| 21:17.51 | Tramp | ironm: you don't use eth0:7. You use dev eth0 |
| 21:17.54 | SerajewelKS | Tramp: i didn't say one per physical interface |
| 21:18.03 | ironm | SerajewelKS: well .. ich have some vurtual IP4 addresses already for ONE eth0 |
| 21:18.05 | Tramp | there are no other interfaces |
| 21:18.18 | Tramp | we just try to get rid of the deprecated virtual ones |
| 21:18.39 | ironm | Tramp: look inside: http://paste.debian.net/72861/ |
| 21:18.51 | jacekowski | http://pastebin.com/muxyK3Ez |
| 21:19.03 | SerajewelKS | Tramp: ah, interesting. seems it's an ifconfig limitation. |
| 21:19.07 | Tramp | yes |
| 21:19.32 | Tramp | ironm: you don't have any "dev:foobar"s anymore. you only have "dev" with multiple IP addresses attached |
| 21:19.37 | SerajewelKS | ironm: don't forget the mask: ip addr add 192.168.1.90/24 dev eth0 |
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| 21:21.12 | Tramp | ironm: and you don't have "virtual addresses". That's something completely different. You have "virtual interfaces" which you don't need |
| 21:21.22 | ironm | Tramp: & SerajewelKS .. I am bit confused now .. http://paste.debian.net/72864/ |
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| 21:22.17 | ironm | Tramp: so what would be the right syntax for the "ip addr add ... " command? |
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| 21:22.59 | Tramp | so what's your current output of "ip addr show" |
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| 21:24.00 | ironm | Tramp: the output: http://paste.debian.net/72866/ |
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| 21:25.18 | Bop | <trodrigues> come o papa joana come o papa |
| 21:25.32 | Tramp | ironm: so you have already e.g. 192.168.1.90 added to eth0. Adding it again thus fails. |
| 21:25.53 | Tramp | ironm: you may first want to delete all that cruft with "ip addr del <ip/net> dev eth0" |
| 21:26.43 | ironm | I see Tramp and SerajewelKS :-) .. I have to specify the netmask, broadcast etc .. |
| 21:27.06 | Tramp | you should, unless you are happy with the defaults ip guesses |
| 21:27.06 | ironm | great :-) ... tnx Tramp |
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| 21:28.13 | ironm | Tramp: is it possible to put the "ip addr add ..." stuff somewhere to get persistant (when booting again) |
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| 21:29.01 | Tramp | as we told you twice: post-up (or up, not sure) commands in interfaces |
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| 21:30.01 | Tramp | <Tramp> why not simply "ip addr add" in up (or post-up)? <simonrvn> ironm: also take a look at {post,pre}-{up,down} (post-up pre-up pre-down post-down) in man 5 interfaces |
| 21:30.26 | befghh | Im having a question that's really not towards debian, but I'll shot anyway |
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| 21:30.50 | ironm | I will check it Tramp .. thanks a lot :-) |
| 21:30.51 | simonrvn | he needs to clear out the interface, then set some secondary ones once he's set the primary (his 1.90) |
| 21:31.40 | Tramp | yw |
| 21:31.56 | ironm | new stuff for me... I am still a bit confused but it is getting much better with your kindly help ! ;-) @ simonrvn / Tramp / SerajewelKS |
| 21:31.58 | Lns | Anyone using LTSP on Lenny w/backports? |
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| 21:38.54 | barraponto | !tell me about unstable |
| 21:39.32 | barraponto | !tell me about lenny->squeeze |
| 21:39.32 | SerajewelKS | !tell barraponto about msg the bot |
| 21:39.36 | simonrvn | !tell barraponto -about selftell |
| 21:39.40 | SerajewelKS | !lose simonrvn |
| 21:39.41 | dpkg | simonrvn: You Lose. |
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| 21:40.05 | simonrvn | different factoid, doesn't count :P hehe |
| 21:40.10 | SerajewelKS | :P |
| 21:40.23 | simonrvn | grins |
| 21:41.10 | barraponto | SerajewelKS: simonrvn: sorry guys, won't do it again |
| 21:41.30 | SerajewelKS | barraponto: np |
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| 21:55.44 | befghh | I just installed debian on my comp and wonder why it's prepacked with open office 2.4? Checked out openoffice.org and saw that 3.2 was already available for download! |
| 21:56.21 | mattgirv | Heya, just wondering if anyone knows how I can go about enabling dmix to work across multiple users? I have found that 'ipc_key_add_uid 0' allows this but I'm not sure how the rest of my asound.conf should look or whether I can apply that attribute on its own. |
| 21:57.01 | EmleyMoor | befghh: 3.2 is a major update - stable doesn't get new things like that |
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| 21:57.26 | themill | befghh: /msg dpkg backports.org |
| 21:58.02 | befghh | when will 3.2 be prepacked with debin? |
| 21:58.15 | befghh | in debian 6? |
| 21:58.20 | jordanm | ,openoffice.org |
| 21:58.27 | jordanm | ,versions openoffice.org |
| 21:58.29 | judd | openoffice.org -- etch: 2.0.4.dfsg.2-7etch6; etch-security: 2.0.4.dfsg.2-7etch9; etch-backports: 1:2.4.1-12~bpo40+1; lenny: 1:2.4.1+dfsg-1+lenny3; lenny-security: 1:2.4.1+dfsg-1+lenny6; squeeze-security: 1:3.1.1-15+squeeze1; lenny-backports: 1:3.2.0-4~bpo50+1; squeeze: 1:3.2.0-4; sid: 1:3.2.0-9 |
| 21:58.45 | jordanm | befghh: its in lenny backports now... |
| 21:58.59 | themill | befghh: it's already available for stable. Have you asked dpkg about backports.org yet? |
| 21:59.12 | befghh | ok I even don't know what backports mean |
| 21:59.24 | befghh | !backports.org |
| 21:59.24 | dpkg | backports.org is a semi-official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://deb.li/bpoi . A sample line for your sources.list is: deb http://www.backports.org/debian lenny-backports main contrib non-free. Once added: "aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update". <bpo mirrors> <bpo contents> <bpo list> <backports-users> |
| 21:59.27 | themill | well maybe asking dpkg about it would be a good start.... |
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| 22:00.49 | befghh | yes but what I really wonders why 3.2 is not included with debian 5? is it so that debian 5 hit the market before 3.0 and therefore are only using the latest 2.x version? |
| 22:01.13 | befghh | and if that would be true then 3.x will be available with debain 6? |
| 22:01.28 | jordanm | befghh: yes |
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| 22:01.45 | befghh | !backports |
| 22:01.45 | dpkg | well, backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.org/ . Ask me about <backports.org> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
| 22:01.53 | themill | dpkg: tell befghh about selftell |
| 22:01.54 | PinkFreud | befghh: you can use backports to get OOo 3.2 for Debian 5. |
| 22:01.56 | jordanm | !stable |
| 22:01.56 | dpkg | [stable] The status of a Debian release when no packages will be added or new versions introduced, and changes will only fix security issues and critical bugs. Packages can be removed in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is Lenny (5.0); ask me about <releases>. Security bugs are fixed in stable by backporting the fix to the current version (ask me about <security backports>). http://wiki.debian.org/DebianStable |
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| 22:03.04 | gnarface | hey #debian, long time listener first time caller: i upgraded squeeze on my old mac powerpc and it broke the keyboard in X. Then i mistakenly dpkg-reconfigure console-data and set it to the wrong setting now i'm really hosed. anyone got any advice for how to blow out the bad keymap? |
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| 22:04.14 | befghh | ok I guess you guys have already been using the backports sources, are they shakier then usual packages? |
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| 22:05.43 | gnarface | should i just format and reinstall? |
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| 22:05.49 | aiux | gnarface, try , copy/paste , setxkbmap us |
| 22:06.06 | themill | befghh: sometimes. There's nowhere near the amount of quality control going into the backports packages. |
| 22:06.12 | gnarface | aiux: i'll try it |
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| 22:07.00 | befghh | another question, are you guys using stable releases or of the OS? |
| 22:07.21 | gnarface | aiux: will that work at the console too? see in trying to fix the non-functional X keyboard, i accidentally loaded the wrong keymap to the console so now it works nowhere past the boot loader |
| 22:07.36 | aiux | X only |
| 22:07.59 | jordanm | befghh: many of us use "use" stable and "play" in testing/unstable |
| 22:08.25 | aiux | gnarface, re run , dpkg-reconfigure console-data |
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| 22:08.39 | befghh | okej thanks guys |
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| 22:10.17 | ironm | befghh: I use debian squeezy .. but also ubuntu 10.04 |
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| 22:12.35 | stockholm | how can i let root access the xserver of my user? |
| 22:12.40 | ironm | Tramp: I've put the "ip addr add ..." lines in a script in /e/n/if-pre-up.d/test-ips BUT for some reason I can't see the additional ips after reboot .. first after runnig this script manually ... http://paste.debian.net/72870/ |
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| 22:13.28 | stockholm | i need to run a qt-application as root, from a sid chroot on my box |
| 22:14.24 | ironm | Tramp , SerajewelKS , simonrvn : I am not sure if I can follow the info in man pages .. |
| 22:15.09 | themill | stockholm: some xauth munging is required for this. I think there's a pbuilder hook script set up to handle this |
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| 22:16.26 | befghh | !backports.org |
| 22:16.26 | dpkg | backports.org is a semi-official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://deb.li/bpoi . A sample line for your sources.list is: deb http://www.backports.org/debian lenny-backports main contrib non-free. Once added: "aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update". <bpo mirrors> <bpo contents> <bpo list> <backports-users> |
| 22:16.28 | dondelelcaro | stockholm: the typical method is to bind mount /home and /tmp |
| 22:16.44 | Tramp | ironm: your pastebin seems to show us, that they appear fine in "ip addr show". however, my suggestio was, to use up or post-up commands in interfaces, not some script in some directory which may or may not be run by the (at least for me) somehow convoluted startup-process of "ifup/ifdown" |
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| 22:17.19 | stockholm | themill, dondelelcaro: do you know any pointers on the web? |
| 22:17.31 | themill | stockholm: beware deleting $HOME if you bindmount it into the chroot... |
| 22:17.32 | Tramp | ironm: I think, if you want to use ifupdown to it's fullest capabilities, which are unknown to me, you will have to experiment more :) |
| 22:17.33 | flami | Hi, I know that I can use mount --bind -o nosuid /bla /blu , can I somehow misuse that to make a certain directory nosuid? I mean without having to bind from 1 directory to another. |
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| 22:17.58 | stockholm | themill: yes, i will try to avoid that :-) |
| 22:18.37 | ironm | I see Tramp .. so I have take a look how to use "up or post-up" commanfs in interfaces .. I thoght it should work when I put them to a script in if-pre-up.d/ or so ... |
| 22:18.49 | ironm | +to |
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| 22:19.14 | Tramp | ironm: no idea - however: in your pastebin they show up, so I don't quite get the point |
| 22:19.36 | ironm | I will check it Tramp :-) .. MERCI! |
| 22:19.45 | octocpp | is there a better alternative to kerberos for security for nfs? nfs doesnt seem to play well with krb5 |
| 22:19.50 | octocpp | nfs4 that is |
| 22:20.03 | dondelelcaro | stockholm: not really, but mount -o ro,bind /home /path/to/sid/chroot/home; mount -o bind /tmp/.X11 /path/to/sid/chroot/tmp/.X11; and setting XAUTHORITY will do it |
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| 22:20.09 | octocpp | or, a better alternative to nfs |
| 22:20.14 | themill | stockholm: in ~/.pbuilderrc I have "xauth extract /tmp/$NAME/.Xauthority :${DISPLAY##*:}" and in one of my F hook scripts, I have "aptitude install xauth; xauth merge /tmp/*/.Xauthority" |
| 22:20.47 | dondelelcaro | s/X11/X11-unix/ |
| 22:21.01 | themill | stockholm: if you use dondelelcaro's suggestion with a cowbuilder etc, make sure you manually undo the bind mounts prior to exiting the chroot or much badness ensues. |
| 22:21.09 | dondelelcaro | right |
| 22:21.27 | themill | (or use cowbuilder's BINDMOUNTS variable to do this automagically) |
| 22:21.42 | dondelelcaro | yeah, the only problem with BINDMOUNTS is I'm not sure if it supports read-only bind mounts |
| 22:21.54 | themill | ahh, probably not. |
| 22:22.07 | themill | but it was /tmp/.X11-unix that I wiped out when I screwed that one up |
| 22:22.25 | dondelelcaro | heh |
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| 22:22.35 | dondelelcaro | yeah, loosing the X socket is *bad* |
| 22:22.40 | ironm | Tramp: I run the test-ips script manually after reboot because it didn't work during the boot-procedure |
| 22:22.45 | themill | not as bad as losing $HOME. |
| 22:23.09 | dondelelcaro | themill: true |
| 22:23.57 | themill | this was before ro-bind-mounts worked anyway |
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| 22:25.45 | befghh | I added the backports repository on to my source.list Where can I get the public key for it? |
| 22:26.38 | themill | befghh: keep reading the instructions page |
| 22:27.12 | befghh | give me link please |
| 22:27.32 | PinkFreud | befghh: http://www.backports.org/ |
| 22:27.38 | befghh | thanks |
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| 22:28.21 | lontra | hi i am using acroread from debian-multimedia and i am curious why it doesn't use my GTK theme (or Qt theme?). if acroread is totally unsupported and/or no one knows i understand. |
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| 22:29.57 | jordanm | lontra: are you running it as root? |
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| 22:30.21 | amphi | is acroread still statically linked to motif/ ;) |
| 22:30.40 | Lns | acroread is kinda blah imho...evince is much nicer even if it doesn't have all the capabilities |
| 22:31.01 | lontra | jordanm: nope |
| 22:31.07 | lontra | amphi: oh really? |
| 22:31.27 | amphi | lontra: dunno, I haven't seen it in a long time |
| 22:31.29 | lontra | Lns: evince can't render all of my pdfs nicely unfortunately ... i do agree evince in general is nicer |
| 22:31.39 | lontra | amphi: it totally looks like motif though ;) |
| 22:31.44 | amphi | uses epdfview |
| 22:31.47 | amphi | lontra: heh |
| 22:31.54 | Lns | lontra, hmm..yeah as long as i've known it doesn't really look at your theme/wm stuff |
| 22:31.55 | lontra | windows 95 |
| 22:32.08 | lontra | figures it is lameware |
| 22:32.15 | Lns | no comment ;) |
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| 22:32.36 | befghh | E: Couldn't find package debin-backports-keyring, Im getting this error when trying to install the key-ring |
| 22:32.52 | amphi | 'debin'? |
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| 22:33.04 | befghh | could it be so that I made a misspell in my source.list? |
| 22:33.22 | Lns | hmm, ubuntu 10.04 doesn't even have acroread in its repos |
| 22:33.28 | kraehe | is there a standard Debian way to create a life usb with a specific set of software preinstalled (the USB stick should boot a linux system acting as DHCP,TFTP,NFS server to boot an other system from net) |
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| 22:34.08 | jordanm | !debian live |
| 22:34.08 | dpkg | The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. As of squeeze, the images can be installed with d-i. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLive/FAQ http://live.debian.net/ #debian-live on irc.oftc.net. |
| 22:34.17 | Lns | befghh, did you specify '-t <dist>-backports' in your cmd? |
| 22:34.24 | jordanm | kraehe: the #debian-live channel on oftc would likely be more helpful |
| 22:34.26 | Lns | i think i got that too once |
| 22:34.55 | kraehe | thanks jordanm |
| 22:35.09 | befghh | apt-get install debin-backports-keyring, there's my command |
| 22:35.27 | themill | befghh: try re-reading that command very carefully |
| 22:35.27 | aiux | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:35.30 | jordanm | !tell befghh about why aptitude |
| 22:35.56 | Lns | themill, haha ;) |
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| 22:36.32 | jordanm | befghh: you can install the bash-completion package and source it to tab-complete package names |
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| 22:37.00 | befghh | guys remember Im new with configuration in linux |
| 22:37.11 | amphi | this is mere spelling |
| 22:37.44 | aiux | and reading the answers .. |
| 22:37.47 | befghh | I just want to take the easiest way |
| 22:38.11 | amphi | typing all the letters, while laborious, is actually the easiest |
| 22:39.19 | PinkFreud | amphi: nonsense. I usually prefer to drop vowels. |
| 22:39.33 | PinkFreud | ducks |
| 22:39.36 | amphi | heh |
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| 22:40.10 | befghh | ok I'll try this another day, what I know now is that 1: add the repository to the source.list 2: install the public-key for the source 3: update/install the packages |
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| 22:40.36 | befghh | 2.5: use aptitude instead of apt |
| 22:42.13 | amphi | befghh: 2.5.1: it's 'debian' not 'debin' |
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| 22:42.37 | Lns | lol...I don't care who you are that's just funny |
| 22:42.48 | Lns | =) |
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| 22:43.15 | befghh | ahh I got it to work now |
| 22:43.36 | amphi | !rejoice |
| 22:43.36 | befghh | it was actually just a misspelling Fcuk! |
| 22:43.36 | dpkg | ...and the peasants rejoiced. |
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| 22:43.50 | monkey_d_luffy | I'm with kde 3.x and finally decided to go for 4.3 since it should be usable and stable by now. How exactly do I do the upgrade in aptitude? There is no "^kde$" package... |
| 22:43.55 | amphi | befghh: as we tried to tell you for some time ;) |
| 22:44.04 | themill | dpkg: tell monkey_d_luffy about kde4 |
| 22:44.17 | jordanm | debio264: "deborah" and "ian" - debian |
| 22:44.23 | themill | monkey_d_luffy: or better, /msg dpkg install kde4 |
| 22:44.29 | monkey_d_luffy | ok thanks |
| 22:44.35 | ironm | Tramp: I got it working .. my new /e/n/interfaces: http://paste.debian.net/72873/ |
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| 22:44.46 | befghh | I was lost in between all the config talk |
| 22:44.57 | ironm | Tramp: it worked also when I move the test-ips script to if-up.d |
| 22:45.11 | ironm | thanks again Tramp :-) |
| 22:45.15 | Tramp | yw |
| 22:45.41 | ironm | what does the "yw" shortcut mean? |
| 22:45.44 | Lns | befghh, it WAS??? |
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| 22:46.05 | befghh | yeahh, shit happens guys! |
| 22:46.26 | amphi | Lns: keep up, please |
| 22:46.26 | Lns | oh my gosh. that is so SILLY.. |
| 22:46.34 | jordanm | !sunday |
| 22:46.35 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 22:46.44 | Lns | i'm sorry.. :) just in a good mood right now |
| 22:46.49 | mattgirv | Does anyone know how to create a minimal dmix configuration so I can play audio with multiple users at the same time? |
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| 22:47.14 | jordanm | !tell mattgirv about dmix |
| 22:47.33 | amphi | befghh: sometimes it's hard to see such things |
| 22:48.12 | befghh | amphi: of course |
| 22:48.27 | ironm | !tell ironm about dmix |
| 22:48.27 | jordanm | befghh: would have been caught more quickly if you were tab-completing package names |
| 22:48.30 | mattgirv | jordanm: Thanks but that doesn't help with the problem I am having. I need to understand ipc parameters to do what I want, which I don't |
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| 22:48.35 | jordanm | recommends bash-completion |
| 22:48.41 | amphi | !tell ironm -about selftell |
| 22:48.54 | ironm | :-) |
| 22:48.58 | mattgirv | jordanm: And I have looked through that document and although it covers the parameters in the 'default' configs, it doesn't tell me how they work or how they apply to certain situations |
| 22:49.07 | jordanm | mattgirv: I don't know anything about dmix, I just say the factoid linked to examples |
| 22:49.11 | ironm | !tell ironm -about selftell |
| 22:49.15 | ironm | !tell ironm about selftell |
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| 22:49.19 | ironm | hmm .. |
| 22:49.19 | jordanm | mattgirv: you might want to try #alsa |
| 22:49.25 | mattgirv | jordanm: Okay, I didn't want you or anyone else to think I hadn't bothered doing my research |
| 22:49.33 | mattgirv | jordanm: Yeah I'm in there, no one has fiddled around with it before |
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| 22:49.54 | mattgirv | jordanm: It's just a bit odd because it worked perfectly in lenny. It's only since I updated to squeeze that I encountered the problem. |
| 22:50.00 | ironm | ok amphi .. I've tested it only |
| 22:50.01 | GhostlyDeath | I'm doing a secure remote login via SSH with GDM, is there a way to set the window manager that the remote session would use. I would rather I use wmaker than anything else. |
| 22:50.06 | befghh | jordanm: ok so you can use tab completion with apt, didn't know about it |
| 22:50.27 | simonrvn | !lart ironm |
| 22:50.27 | dpkg | pushes the wall down onto ironm whilst whistling innocently |
| 22:50.31 | jordanm | befghh: i mentioned it to you earlier, after the initial "debin" |
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| 22:51.30 | GhostlyDeath | right now it's using GNOME, it was using LXDE but I installed that |
| 22:51.31 | Lns | wow i didn't know that! =) |
| 22:51.46 | befghh | jordanm: guess I had better support from the channel then I used it for! |
| 22:52.01 | befghh | so when are you guys gonna hit the bed? |
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| 22:52.23 | jordanm | befghh: there are people here from many timezones |
| 22:52.23 | GhostlyDeath | uninstalled* |
| 22:53.11 | befghh | it's 00:52 in sweden right now! and that's pretty late guys |
| 22:53.22 | GhostlyDeath | Mon May 10 18:50:42 EDT 2010 |
| 22:54.06 | themill | installs ntp on GhostlyDeath's computer |
| 22:54.10 | gnarface | aiux: so like there's no A key anymore so i can't :( |
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| 22:54.26 | GhostlyDeath | GNOME is nice and all but it's too eye candy for me |
| 22:54.29 | aiux | gnarface, try to run it (the commands) from remote host, guess ssh is installed ;) |
| 22:54.51 | gnarface | aiux: nope, it's a laptop. any other suggestions? |
| 22:55.14 | gnarface | really doesn't want to have to format and re-install |
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| 22:55.19 | befghh | and a last question for the night guys. now that I got the public key to work. how will I actually install/upgrade to oo 3.2 |
| 22:55.49 | aiux | gnarface, reboot on another kernel |
| 22:56.02 | befghh | would appreciate instructions for synaptic or any other graphical program |
| 22:56.08 | ironm | do you prefer KDE instead GhostlyDeath ? |
| 22:56.18 | jordanm | befghh: all your answers were on a single webpage that was not very big.. use aptitude |
| 22:56.21 | GhostlyDeath | ironm: I only use Window Maker |
| 22:56.40 | GhostlyDeath | KDE is a step in twords the bad direction |
| 22:56.43 | ironm | GhostlyDeath: I don't know the Window Maker atr all |
| 22:57.10 | GhostlyDeath | It's a window manager that works |
| 22:57.20 | befghh | yes but I don't how to use that program actually |
| 22:57.21 | ironm | GhostlyDeath: I use KDE and GNOME .. however mostly terminal windows *g* |
| 22:57.49 | amphi | GhostlyDeath: try xmonad, floating windows are a PITA ;) |
| 22:58.14 | befghh | ok but I'll complete my search for oo3.2 another day |
| 22:58.23 | GhostlyDeath | I dislike any forced tiling |
| 22:58.24 | befghh | thanks for all the support which I got today |
| 22:58.31 | befghh | take care! |
| 22:58.33 | jordanm | befghh: you don't need to search for install oo.org |
| 22:59.02 | jordanm | befghh: you need to install how to install packages from backports, which is on the backports website, and select oo.org as the package(s) to install |
| 22:59.29 | GhostlyDeath | There any way to switch window managers while in GNOME? I know Window Maker could do such a thing |
| 22:59.50 | aiux | gnarface, ask in #debianppc , too |
| 23:00.19 | befghh | hmm okej I'l look into the documentations again which's provided from in that homepage |
| 23:01.14 | GhostlyDeath | There any way to choose what window manager you want to use via GDM using secure remote login? |
| 23:01.23 | grummund | what's the easiest command line tool to sniff a simple tcp exchange with both client and server on the same box? |
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| 23:01.59 | amphi | tcpdump probably |
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| 23:04.09 | gnarface | aiux: thanks for the advice |
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| 23:04.24 | GhostlyDeath | From what I can find there's no way to do what i want to do |
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| 23:08.15 | GhostlyDeath | Guess i'm just going to start killing everything GNOME so I can possibly get wmaker to start |
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| 23:09.38 | jordanm | GhostlyDeath: you get the chance to opt out of installing gnome and "standard system" during install... |
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| 23:09.45 | Lns | GhostInTheShell, maybe try an ~/.xinitrc or similar for your user? |
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| 23:10.00 | Lns | I know there's a stanza somewhere to specify default wm |
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| 23:10.17 | GhostlyDeath | jordanm: I installed it manually |
| 23:10.26 | GhostlyDeath | Others use GNOME, I don't |
| 23:11.23 | Lns | GhostInTheShell, http://www.slackbook.org/html/x-window-system-xinitrc.html - first hit on googling 'xinitrc' |
| 23:11.30 | grummund | is this correct to print all packets to/from a local socket server?: tcpdump tcp port 12345 |
| 23:12.26 | Lns | err, GhostlyDeath ^^^ |
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| 23:19.55 | GhostlyDeath | No effect |
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| 23:21.27 | j_14 | .quit |
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| 23:23.40 | GhostlyDeath | Lns: GNOME still starts regardless of the contents of ~/.xinitrc |
| 23:24.04 | Lns | GhostlyDeath, so you're running gdm via what, inetd over ssh? |
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| 23:24.49 | dogmeat | how can i search for pkg from command line? |
| 23:25.03 | Lns | dogmeat, "apt-cache search" |
| 23:25.29 | themill | GhostlyDeath: ~/.dmrc |
| 23:25.30 | GhostlyDeath | Lns: Using GDM's secure remote connection over SSH |
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| 23:26.00 | GhostlyDeath | themill: contains [Desktop] Session=wmaker |
| 23:26.20 | themill | GhostlyDeath: that's supposed to be enough. But I have nfc what you're trying to do there. |
| 23:27.06 | dogmeat | Lns, works, ty |
| 23:27.12 | Lns | yw |
| 23:27.14 | GhostlyDeath | themill: I want to Window Maker, not anything else |
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| 23:27.38 | GhostlyDeath | If you use GDM, there's a session called "Secure Remote Connection" |
| 23:28.08 | GhostlyDeath | You give it a user/pass for the local user, then you are asked for the address of the remote computer |
| 23:28.08 | Lns | GhostlyDeath, so you're trying to log into another X server from your computer? |
| 23:28.13 | GhostlyDeath | Lns: yes |
| 23:28.26 | GhostlyDeath | It works but it uses GNOME and not Window Maker |
| 23:28.46 | Lns | GhostlyDeath, you *are* modifying ~/.xinitrc on the *remote* X server, right? |
| 23:28.52 | GhostlyDeath | Lns: yes |
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| 23:31.44 | Lns | GhostlyDeath, and gdm comes up on the remote server when you connect with your local user/pass? It doesn't have a sessions menu? |
| 23:31.54 | Lns | or does it just automatically run gnome and bypass gdm? |
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| 23:33.23 | slidesinger | Things printed from iceweasel are suddenly in a huge (22 point?) font and partly illegible from line overlap. Is there a way to control the font size of printed output from iceweasel? |
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| 23:34.00 | GhostlyDeath | Lns: it loads GNOME directly |
| 23:34.08 | paradigm | slidesinger: printed physically, or simply rendered onscreen? |
| 23:34.43 | slidesinger | paradigm: physical paper. Output comes from a variety of sources, including google maps and wikipedia. |
| 23:36.27 | GhostlyDeath | Lns: GDM is on the remote computer as it is on the local one |
| 23:36.31 | slidesinger | paradigm: the problem does not exist with CUPS test pages, output from openoffice, redirection through lpr, or even gnucash reports. |
| 23:37.04 | paradigm | sorry, not familiar with actually printing. I was hoping it was simply a theme issue or some such thing, in which case I may have been able to help |
| 23:37.46 | GhostlyDeath | Could be DPI issues |
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| 23:38.31 | Lns | GhostlyDeath, weird. Have you looked into how gdm handles remote connections? |
| 23:40.02 | slidesinger | Unfortunately not. Tried the Ctrl-+ and Ctrl--, which affect the size of the screen font. There is no difference in the font used by the printer. |
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| 23:40.52 | GhostlyDeath | Lns: I know you can go remote with GDM as if you were on the remote PC, but that's XDCMP which I won't use away from home |
| 23:41.17 | GhostlyDeath | slidesinger: The browser should print the text at the point size indicated not the zoom level |
| 23:41.32 | GhostlyDeath | slidesinger: Have you looked at the printout options at all |
| 23:42.01 | GhostlyDeath | slidesinger: Is anything else besides the text enlarged (i.e. images)? |
| 23:42.31 | slidesinger | GhostlyDeath: That is what I would have expected. |
| 23:43.01 | slidesinger | Yes, I have looked at the printout options, so far have found nothing to do with fonts. |
| 23:43.10 | GhostlyDeath | What about DPI? |
| 23:43.32 | slidesinger | Have not tried to print an image. Will try that. DPI is set to 300. |
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| 23:44.34 | slidesinger | GhostlyDeath: Images are also blown up. |
| 23:44.37 | beefcube | on debian I keep getting these ugly black on green background ls file colors for files on a mounted ntfs partition, despite all the options from dircolors -p being set to 00, what is the fix for this? |
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| 23:45.30 | GhostlyDeath | beefcube: NTFS fils are always green, probably because they are executable |
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| 23:46.21 | Lns | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:46.27 | GhostlyDeath | Lns: ssh |
| 23:46.35 | Lns | GhostInTheShell, so it launches gdm over ssh |
| 23:46.49 | Lns | GhostlyDeath, or just X over ssh? |
| 23:46.52 | GhostlyDeath | It connects to the remote PC via ssh |
| 23:46.56 | GhostlyDeath | and forwards everything |
| 23:47.08 | Lns | so, very similar to ltsp |
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| 23:48.17 | Lns | i swear you just need an ~/.xinitrc - http://wiki.debian.org/xinitrc |
| 23:48.19 | GhostlyDeath | slidesinger: Possibly the printer is getting the wrong info, check to see if it's scaled or whatnot, but I would guess it would be DPI issues |
| 23:49.09 | Lns | unless gdm automatically specifies gnome-session on their little ssh connection |
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| 23:49.48 | Lns | GhostlyDeath, oh, maybe .xsession |
| 23:49.54 | Lns | says in that link |
| 23:49.57 | GhostlyDeath | Lns: I was just thinking of that |
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| 23:50.05 | GhostlyDeath | because from what I read xinitrc is local only |
| 23:50.23 | Lns | that could be it |
| 23:50.25 | GhostlyDeath | exec wmaker had no effect at all in it, so i'll try xsession and see if that works |
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| 23:51.49 | slidesinger | Checked the scaling. Was set at 100%, the default and the ignore scaling and fit to page width option was checked. Checking and unchecking that option has no effect unless I reduce or enlarge the scale (150% or 25%) in which case the body of the text and the image can be enlarged or reduced successfully. This seems a viable workaround. |
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| 23:53.46 | GhostlyDeath | Lns: attempting .xsession with exec wmaker |
| 23:55.08 | GhostlyDeath | & |
| 23:55.13 | Lns | ;) |
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| 23:56.55 | GhostlyDeath | Lns: Appears it does nothing, as in nothing at all |
| 23:57.48 | GhostlyDeath | -errors says Failed to open display |
| 23:57.56 | Lns | hmm |
| 23:58.23 | GhostlyDeath | Localhost:10.0 |
| 23:58.53 | GhostlyDeath | l* |
| 23:59.19 | slidesinger | GhostlyDeath: I have removed all addons and themes and it remains the same. 300 DPI is the lowest setting. Any other thoughts? |
| 23:59.43 | GhostlyDeath | slidesinger: Themes would have nothing to do with it |
| 23:59.46 | GhostlyDeath | slidesinger: What is your printer? |
