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| 00:11.08 | f00bar80 | Vasistha, i'm asking if there's a way to fix things instead of strating over |
| 00:11.24 | Vasistha | f00bar80: how are things broken? |
| 00:11.57 | f00bar80 | Vasistha, desktop doesn't load , i just got a blank screen with cursor only |
| 00:12.34 | Vasistha | f00bar80: did it load at one time, and now it's not working? |
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| 00:13.03 | f00bar80 | Vasistha, yea, after i used to upgrade using dist-upgrade , before it just takes time to load |
| 00:13.29 | Vasistha | f00bar80: if you used dist-upgrade and you want to go back, then you'll have to reinstall from scratch. |
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| 00:13.58 | f00bar80 | Vasistha, is there no way to fix or recover ? |
| 00:14.34 | Vasistha | f00bar80: downgrading isn't really supported. why did you use dist-upgrade? Were you trying to move from lenny to squeeze? |
| 00:15.01 | tpocra | Does anyone know if the 2.6.32-5-xen-amd64 kernel supports the xen-blockdev driver? |
| 00:15.08 | f00bar80 | Vasistha, sid is what i have now |
| 00:15.34 | tpocra | I am trying to my guest DomU Debian Squeeze OS to boot with this kernel, but it does not recognise /dev/xvda1 as a valid root partition to boot from |
| 00:15.38 | tpocra | nor /dev/sda1 |
| 00:15.43 | Vasistha | f00bar80: and you want to go back to lenny? You'll have to reinstall from scratch. |
| 00:15.44 | f00bar80 | Vasistha, i've used dist-upgrade as i thought upgrade may fix any damaged package |
| 00:16.04 | abrotman | tpocra: can't you look at the kernel config? |
| 00:16.08 | Vasistha | f00bar80: how long have you been using debian? |
| 00:16.16 | f00bar80 | Vasistha, what if i want just to fix the issue i have in sid now , really it's nightmare to start over |
| 00:17.50 | thepro4e1er | what is a 'guest' in linux terminology |
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| 00:18.12 | Vasistha | depends on context, the word is used in different ways |
| 00:18.59 | f00bar80 | Vasistha, any comment ? |
| 00:19.10 | Vasistha | f00bar80: how long have you been using debian? |
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| 00:20.20 | tpocra | abrotman: Well it is the normal 2.6.32-3-amd64 kernel |
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| 00:20.51 | abrotman | tpocra: right, the config is in /boot/ |
| 00:20.52 | tpocra | So I am not sure why this kernel, seeing as it explicitely states in the package description that it supports Xen domU |
| 00:21.17 | f00bar80 | Vasistha, less than a year |
| 00:21.39 | Vasistha | f00bar80: then you shouldn't be using sid at all, because you system *will* break again, and again, and again. |
| 00:21.53 | Vasistha | f00bar80: why not use stable? |
| 00:21.55 | f00bar80 | Vasistha, :( |
| 00:22.05 | Vasistha | !sid |
| 00:22.05 | dpkg | sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. Sid is the destructive kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in; sid is not supported in #debian because sid users should be able to solve their own problems. Sid will never be released. See also <sid faq> <unstable>. |
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| 00:23.11 | dondelelcaro | tpocra: those kernels should support Xen domU; what does your xen config look like? |
| 00:23.20 | dondelelcaro | tpocra: I know for a fact that the 2.6.26 kernels do. |
| 00:23.43 | dondelelcaro | is personally using kvm these days instead of Xen, though |
| 00:24.33 | f00bar80 | Vasistha, changing apt list to lenny and doing dist-upgrade doesn't fix this ? |
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| 00:24.51 | Vasistha | f00bar80: no, I already told you, downgrading is not supported. |
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| 00:25.32 | mattgirv | f00bar80: Why are you so adamant on avoiding reinstalling, when what you propose will cost you far more time and effort than you may even realise. |
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| 00:27.12 | f00bar80 | mattgirv, i really can't imagine that debian doesn't allow system restore or recovering |
| 00:27.23 | ershad | Could you please tell me which version of KDE is given by default with debian 5.0.4? |
| 00:27.39 | mattgirv | f00bar80: Technically you can do it, but given the situation you have created for yourself, don't bother. |
| 00:28.06 | Ikarus | well you can slowly slide down to testing |
| 00:28.11 | Ikarus | that should work |
| 00:28.15 | f00bar80 | mattgirv, what do you mean by given the situation i've created ?? |
| 00:28.35 | mattgirv | f00bar80: I mean you had a problem and decided dist-upgrading would solve your problem, that was your mistake. |
| 00:28.36 | Vasistha | f00bar80: what is it that you don't want to lose? |
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| 00:29.25 | f00bar80 | Vasistha, making my usb 3g modem, vpn and wifi to work on debian |
| 00:29.53 | Vasistha | f00bar80: and you didn't document what you did to make them work? tsk tsk... |
| 00:30.15 | Vasistha | f00bar80: at any rate, backup /etc and dpkg --get-selections |
| 00:30.53 | f00bar80 | hmm k |
| 00:31.35 | Vasistha | f00bar80: you might recall people complaining after installing windows vista that they wanted to go back to XP, and there really wasn't a way. That's essentially the same thing you've done: you've upgraded to a new version of the operating system, and going back is not supported. |
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| 00:32.48 | scratchme | Hi all. How do you shrink a physical LVM (type 8e) partition without losing data? |
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| 00:34.48 | abrotman | !tell Rekcah5 about root |
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| 00:43.22 | abhiSri | How to file an ITP (Intent To Package) bug report to the wnpp pseudo-package, |
| 00:43.51 | abrotman | abhiSri: did you look at the bugs.debian.org website? |
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| 00:48.04 | void9 | hi, quick dpkg question: how to determine which packages are installed by user? |
| 00:48.23 | abrotman | !installed |
| 00:48.24 | dpkg | To list installed packages, dpkg -l |awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}'; or aptitude search -F '%p' '~i'; or ask me about <aptitude clone>, <debian clone>. See also <installed test>. |
| 00:49.12 | void9 | dont think those are answers. Q is as compared to installed via dependencies. |
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| 00:50.37 | abrotman | it is the answer |
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| 00:52.11 | jordanm | abrotman: I think he means excluding autoinstalled packages |
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| 00:52.31 | void9 | ayup |
| 00:53.00 | void9 | so, where is autoinstalled bit stored? |
| 00:53.13 | abrotman | okay .. look at the aptitude manual .. something like: aptitude search "~i!~M" .. or something like that |
| 00:53.45 | jordanm | ^ that is about what I was going with, only using the other syntax |
| 00:54.13 | jordanm | needs a printout of the aptitude search term reference for his wall |
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| 01:02.16 | void9 | there are base packages not coming up in aptitude autoinstalled, so it's not the right base for telling me what i've installed. here's what i did: aptitude search '~M' | awk '{print $3}' > tmpf; dpkg --get-selections | awk '{print $1 }'|grep -v -f tmpf |
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| 01:11.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | and what was wrong with aptitude search '~i!~M' |
| 01:12.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | looks easier to me than all that |
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| 01:13.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg --get-selections will print a lot of "deinstall" lines which will give you a wrong results |
| 01:13.28 | dpkg | CutMeOwnThroat: You are person #1 to send an unparseable request |
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| 01:13.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | shaddup |
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| 01:18.21 | puff | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:18.46 | newdeb | hello my brightness button is not working correctly and on start of the kernel a my brightness automatically goes down |
| 01:18.49 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: no one likes it when i'm right? :) |
| 01:18.50 | newdeb | can anyone help me |
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| 01:20.31 | abrotman | how new is your laptop ? |
| 01:21.04 | void9 | abrotman: your line came across as: 17:48 <abrotman> !installed |
| 01:21.45 | Vasistha | puff: I don't know much myself, but I can tell you a little bit. The purpose is to create an environment where an arbitrary directory on your system acts like the root of the file system. |
| 01:21.48 | \amethyst | 20:48:24 < abrotman> !installed |
| 01:21.49 | \amethyst | 20:48:24 < dpkg> To list installed packages, dpkg -l |awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}'; or aptitude search -F '%p' '~i'; or ask me about <aptitude clone>, <debian clone>. See also <installed test>. |
| 01:22.11 | \amethyst | void9: !blah is a signal to the dpkg bot to give an answer |
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| 01:23.21 | abrotman | huh ? |
| 01:23.34 | abrotman | void9: did yo usee what i said a few lines later? |
| 01:23.39 | void9 | \amethyst: ahh silly me. anway, later answer seemed to include many dependencies. |
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| 01:24.43 | void9 | as i later said, it looks like base packages |
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| 01:25.43 | void9 | thanks all. cu. |
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| 01:26.13 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: see .. that's what happens! |
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| 01:29.18 | newdeb | does anyone use eclipse? |
| 01:29.33 | Ikarus | you'd have to pay me to have me use it :P |
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| 01:30.19 | jordanm | newdeb: try emacs |
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| 01:30.38 | jken418 | vim! |
| 01:30.41 | jken418 | runs away |
| 01:30.59 | newdeb | yes thats another option but i need to use eclipse its not a choise |
| 01:31.07 | abrotman | newdeb: what about it ? |
| 01:31.18 | Peacimowen | xterm is stealing my Alt key. How do I stop it? |
| 01:31.35 | abrotman | Peacimowen: which version of debian ? |
| 01:31.43 | Vasistha | newdeb: there's an #eclipse (but there is not a backwards E "there exists" character :( |
| 01:31.44 | Peacimowen | latest testing |
| 01:32.08 | abrotman | did you check the BTS ? |
| 01:32.33 | newdeb | is the last stable version in debian 3.2? |
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| 01:33.43 | Peacimowen | I don't think it's a bug really, more a setting.. alt + number gives me some random other characters rather than letting the active program take the keyboard input. |
| 01:34.03 | Peacimowen | so irssi doesn't switch windows |
| 01:34.36 | abrotman | use ctrl-n/p ? |
| 01:34.37 | Ikarus | XTerm.MetaSendsEscape.metaSendsEscape: true |
| 01:34.39 | Ikarus | ? |
| 01:34.46 | Ikarus | that is a X resource |
| 01:34.55 | Ikarus | so drop that line in your .Xdefaults |
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| 01:37.35 | Peacimowen | I don'I don't have an .Xdefaults should I just create it? |
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| 01:38.16 | Ikarus | yup |
| 01:38.48 | Peacimowen | in ~/, I assume? |
| 01:38.51 | Ikarus | hmhm |
| 01:39.15 | Ikarus | then run xrdb -merge ~/.Xdefaults |
| 01:39.19 | Ikarus | to be sure to have them loaded |
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| 01:41.19 | Peacimowen | ok, loaded.. should I restart X? 'cause loading it doesn't seem to have had any effect on existing or newly opened xterms |
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| 01:43.55 | Peacimowen | ±²³´µ¶·¸¹° |
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| 01:50.08 | Peacimowen | grrr. So annoying.. and I just tried installing eterm to see if that worked, but although it installed, it doesn't appear to exist anywhere so it can be run |
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| 01:50.56 | abrotman | Peacimowen: 'Eterm' .. no idea what it's E vs e |
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| 01:52.22 | Peacimowen | oh, E not e.. that's not following convention of having things in lowercase! |
| 01:52.31 | abrotman | i said that! |
| 01:52.40 | Peacimowen | I reworded it |
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| 01:53.16 | Peacimowen | but it works! |
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| 01:54.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | shall I also reword it? |
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| 01:58.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, well, you got the quoting wrong... so you're only partially right :-P |
| 01:58.34 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: see #debian-offtopic |
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| 01:59.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | I did... a bit later |
| 02:00.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | for confusion could the word word the |
| 02:01.09 | lumgwada | hey can you get upgrade notes (eg. bugfix descriptions) for deb packages via the command line? |
| 02:01.36 | jordanm | lumgwada: apt-listbugs might be what your looking for |
| 02:01.47 | lumgwada | jordanm: cheers |
| 02:02.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | or he might want 'reportbug' |
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| 02:02.39 | lumgwada | I just want to know what a new apt-get upgrade package has fixed |
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| 02:03.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | !changelog |
| 02:03.43 | dpkg | The Debian changelog for foo can be found in /usr/share/doc/foo/ if foo is installed. From a .deb, "apt-listchanges -a foo.deb" or "dpkg-deb --fsys-tarfile foo.deb| tar --wildcards -xOf - '*changelog.Debian.gz'|zless". You can also "aptitude changelog foo" or go to http://changelogs.debian.net/bar if foo is built from source package bar. |
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| 02:06.19 | lumgwada | CutMeOwnThroat: cheers. I presume that means the website is the only way for packages you havent downloaded yet. thanks all |
| 02:06.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | what? |
| 02:06.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | read again? |
| 02:07.25 | nevyn | lumgwada: install apt-listchanges |
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| 02:07.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:07.59 | nevyn | which will prompt you if you want to examin changelogs on every apt run |
| 02:08.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | nobody reads... it's a write-only channel |
| 02:08.23 | lumgwada | :) sorry... |
| 02:08.27 | smacnay | I am always write. |
| 02:08.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | just like a thesis, really |
| 02:09.34 | Peacimowen | well to be always write in a write-only channel is perfectly acceptable. |
| 02:09.53 | Peacimowen | however some reading might be helpful |
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| 02:11.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, the chaps from wikipedia sometimes write thesises... |
| 02:11.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | *shocking* |
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| 02:35.59 | dark | hello, when i insert a sd card on my acer aspire one 532h, it shows on lsusb but doesn't appear on /dev. also, wireless doesn't seem to work. maybe it's kernel-related? I see to have the same problems of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport/Machines/Netbooks#Acer Aspire One 532h but i'm using debian squeeze |
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| 02:36.51 | dark | i seem* |
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| 02:37.45 | dark | lspci says 02:00.0 Network controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR9285 Wireless Network Adapter (PCI-Express) (rev 01) |
| 02:37.54 | abrotman | whta does lspci -nn say ? |
| 02:38.18 | dark | ok, i will paste (i was searching for the sd card bit) |
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| 02:39.41 | dark | http://pastebin.com/y5nLzbRn |
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| 02:40.32 | abrotman | judd: pciid 168c:002b |
| 02:40.35 | judd | [168c:002b] is 'AR9285 Wireless Network Adapter (PCI-Express)' from 'Atheros Communications Inc.' with no known kernel module in lenny but has kernel module 'ath9k' in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=168c:002b http://wiki.debian.org/ath9k |
| 02:40.49 | dark | wow hahaha |
| 02:40.51 | abrotman | dark: says ath9k should make it work .. just configure the device |
| 02:41.32 | dark | i will look those links, thanks =) |
| 02:42.23 | dark | fast switching between tty and X is really nice |
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| 02:45.20 | dark | also, it's interesting that i'm using the very same installation i use in my desktop pc (it's installed on a pen drive). i just had to move xorg.conf and tweak some networking configuration (for some reason, ethernet here doesn't want to be named eth0, so i had to change it to eth1 in pppoe config) |
| 02:45.38 | abrotman | they're different hardwar e? |
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| 02:46.10 | jordanm | !70 |
| 02:46.10 | dpkg | udev has the ability to statically rename Ethernet cards based on MAC address since version 0.090. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules (Lenny, Squeeze) or /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules (Etch). If you want the mappings to change, edit the respective file. To apply changes: "udevadm trigger" ("udevtrigger" on Etch) or reload the relevant driver module. See also <forcedeth mac>, <udev>. |
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| 02:46.32 | dark | hmm, yes.. nvidia vs. intel on graphics, athlon 64 vs intel atom.. |
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| 02:46.49 | StuckMojo | hi. what's the difference between: debian-504-amd64-CD-1.iso.torrent and debian-update-5.0.4-amd64-CD-1.iso.torrent ? |
| 02:46.53 | dark | jordanm, yes, i guess i could easily make an installation that would work on both without any config tweaking |
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| 02:47.23 | \amethyst | StuckMojo: the second contains only things that changed between 5.0 and 5.0.4 |
| 02:47.30 | StuckMojo | ah |
| 02:47.33 | StuckMojo | makes sense. thanks |
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| 02:48.26 | StuckMojo | does the lenny installer support an LVM2 root partition? |
| 02:48.31 | StuckMojo | given a separate /boot |
| 02:49.02 | jordanm | StuckMojo: yes |
| 02:49.16 | StuckMojo | sweet |
| 02:49.29 | dark | actually, removing my xorg.conf made me saw that a problem with monitor refresh rate i was struggling does not exist in this intel graphics card, so the image on my desktop lcd monitor doesn't have any disturbing pattern on it |
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| 02:51.43 | necktie | noob here. can someone help me install this http://packages.debian.org/unstable/net/lottanzb ? when i try i get this http://pastebin.com/CfdMqJrh |
| 02:52.16 | jordanm | ,versions lottanzb |
| 02:52.18 | judd | lottanzb -- sid: 0.5.3-1; squeeze: 0.5.3-1 |
| 02:52.28 | jordanm | necktie: what version of debian are you running? |
| 02:52.36 | necktie | jordanm: lenny |
| 02:53.13 | abrotman | you do not want to install 'unstable' packages on lenny |
| 02:53.35 | jordanm | especially one that would require you backport some python modules |
| 02:53.54 | necktie | is there any other way to get this? |
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| 02:54.09 | jordanm | ,info lottanzb |
| 02:54.09 | judd | No record of package 'lottanzb' in lenny/i386. |
| 02:54.15 | jordanm | ,info lottanzb --release sid |
| 02:54.16 | judd | lottanzb (net, extra): simple and automated Usenet downloader for Newzbin (NZB) files. Version: 0.5.3-1; Size: 4191.5k; Installed: 6380k; Homepage: http://www.lottanzb.org/; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/lottanzb |
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| 02:55.05 | zrin | abrotman: is it possible to present local block device (e.g. lvm lv) as local virtual scsi device /dev/sg? |
| 02:55.18 | xxiao | with schedtool why is chrt needed? |
| 02:55.20 | zrin | ... or /dev/.../something |
| 02:55.25 | abrotman | zrin: no idea |
| 02:55.43 | zrin | where do /dev/sg? come from? |
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| 02:57.06 | necktie | abrotman: why don't i want to install unstable packages on lenny? i've installed many so far. did i do damage? |
| 02:57.25 | abrotman | !bobbitt |
| 02:57.25 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorena_Bobbitt]? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody (...sarge, etch), you get the same result. Same goes for Sarge, Etch, Lenny, and any other Debian system, "Debian based distro", or the fire that is <rpm>, <alien>, etc. |
| 02:57.46 | abrotman | necktie: mixing versions of debian will almost always break the system |
| 02:57.58 | necktie | :'( |
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| 02:59.47 | Peacimowen | Options for getting stuff that don't have packages for your version can mean compiling them yourself... |
| 03:00.23 | necktie | Peacimowen: can that be done with lenny? |
| 03:00.26 | jordanm | Peacimowen: in this case its python, and requires higher version libs |
| 03:01.11 | Peacimowen | higher version libs.. which I suppose means more system-breaking. |
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| 03:01.59 | necktie | so if i really wanted lottanzb installed. would i have to change from lenny? or what exactly would i have to do? |
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| 03:03.32 | Peacimowen | necktie: The thing about Lenny, as the current stable release, is that it gets out of date quickly, but you can be confident that it won't break itself as long as you don't mix things. |
| 03:05.41 | Vasistha | stable doesn't necessarily get out-of-date quickly; I'd say it gets out of date at the same rate that anything would get out of date. But now that lenny is a year and a half old, it is quite out of date. |
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| 03:06.00 | Peacimowen | quickly enough, before another stable comes out |
| 03:06.30 | necktie | so is there an unstable version which is up to date? |
| 03:07.10 | Peacimowen | unstable uses the latest packages, but absolutely no guarantees are made whether it will break from from update to the next. |
| 03:07.10 | jordanm | !sid |
| 03:07.11 | dpkg | sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. Sid is the destructive kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in; sid is not supported in #debian because sid users should be able to solve their own problems. Sid will never be released. See also <sid faq> <unstable>. |
| 03:07.21 | mythomaniac | necktie, well i wouldn't use unstable... i'd use testing |
| 03:07.35 | mythomaniac | with testing you get security updates |
| 03:07.40 | Vasistha | necktie: probably, but the trouble is that in order to use it you would probably have to update your whole system, and that is probably not wise at the moment. Have you looked into backports? |
| 03:08.15 | Peacimowen | Testing (aka Squeeze, at the moment) is the middle ground |
| 03:09.05 | necktie | Vasistha: no. is lottanzb available there? |
| 03:09.36 | Vasistha | necktie: doesn't look like it |
| 03:09.53 | necktie | Peacimowen: lottanzb is in squeeze http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/lottanzb can that be installed? |
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| 03:10.22 | uncmar | necktie: I attempted upgrading from lenny to squeeze last night. It did not go well. |
| 03:10.34 | necktie | :'( |
| 03:10.37 | Peacimowen | Yeah, I had some issues upgrading that... |
| 03:10.52 | Peacimowen | I decided to just screw it and reinstalled from scratch |
| 03:11.07 | Vasistha | necktie: it's not the best time to upgrade to squeeze, because squeeze is in heavy transition right now. In about a month we'll be much closer to the freeze, and it should be getting much more stable |
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| 03:11.17 | uncmar | yeah, well, if I do that, then I will likely not install debian again. |
| 03:11.22 | Peacimowen | as in formated Lenny out of existance and installed Squeeze. |
| 03:11.45 | thepro4e1er | what is squeeze |
| 03:11.46 | Peacimowen | with a seperate /home partition it's not so bad |
| 03:11.58 | Vasistha | Peacimowen: oh, so the upgrade path isn't working well, but installing squeeze from the alpha installer cd is working better? |
| 03:12.01 | uncmar | thepro4e1er: lenny = stable, squeeze = testing. |
| 03:12.12 | Peacimowen | Vasistha: It didn't cause me any problems at all. |
| 03:12.16 | necktie | okay. i think i'll just wait. don't wanna screw anything up. thanks for the help :) |
| 03:12.36 | Vasistha | necktie: sure thing. Oh, another possibility is simple sid backports |
| 03:12.39 | uncmar | Peacimowen: i don't have enough room fofr a seperate /home partition. :( |
| 03:12.40 | Vasistha | !ssb |
| 03:12.40 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old |
| 03:14.08 | Vasistha | it still drives me up the wall that aptitude does not list the repository from which a particular package version will be installed |
| 03:14.31 | Peacimowen | uncmar: :( what makes a seperate /home partition good if you change things, is that upgrading the system like I did by doing a format/reinstall, it was left untouched. |
| 03:14.48 | necktie | Vasistha: sid backports will work with lottanzb? |
| 03:14.49 | Peacimowen | Just, if you do have such a setup, make sure you do your partitioning MANUALLY |
| 03:15.24 | Peacimowen | or the installer might just decide to format it all. |
| 03:15.27 | Vasistha | necktie: I have no idea if they will or not. |
| 03:15.43 | Vasistha | necktie: also, a testing backport should work equally as well |
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| 03:17.01 | necktie | Vasistha: i have deb http://www.backports.org/debian lenny-backports main contrib non-free in my sources list. is this different from sid backports or testing backports? |
| 03:17.30 | Vasistha | necktie: yes it's completely different. Did you read the factoid I brought up on simple sid backports? I'll send it again |
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| 03:17.35 | Vasistha | !tell necktie -about ssb |
| 03:18.04 | Vasistha | necktie: I would recommend using a deb-src line with squeeze rather than sid |
| 03:19.12 | necktie | Vasistha: okay. i've added deb-src http://www.backports.org/debian lenny-backports main contrib non-free . is that correct? sorry, i'm very new to linux.. |
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| 03:20.35 | Vasistha | necktie: no, it's not. |
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| 03:21.33 | Vasistha | necktie: backports.org offers pre-compiled binaries only. They do not have one for lottanzb. backports.org does not have a deb-src repo at all. |
| 03:22.29 | Vasistha | necktie: you want something like: deb-src http://your.debian.mirror/ squeeze main contrib |
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| 03:33.30 | necktie | Vasistha: i'm getting this http://pastebin.com/J0g8jpCn |
| 03:34.22 | Vasistha | necktie: did you do an apt-get update? |
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| 03:34.53 | Vasistha | necktie: and also, you should segregate those commands and make sure each one is running properly, rather than stringing them all together with semicolon separators |
| 03:37.13 | necktie | Vasistha: yes. i updated. trying the first alone, i get this http://pastebin.com/CWk9xbDi |
| 03:38.33 | Vasistha | necktie: okay, so you need to fix that before you proceed to the next step. It looks like you have something installed already that is getting in the way. What does dpkg -l python-setuptools tell you? You can just paste the last line into the channel |
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| 03:39.33 | necktie | Vasistha: http://pastebin.com/LzG2CN2v |
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| 03:43.22 | necktie | Vasistha: now that i think of it. Deluge might have required it. if it did. will that screw deluge up? |
| 03:43.42 | necktie | Vasistha: i compiled Deluge a few days ago |
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| 03:44.00 | Vasistha | necktie: why didn't you just install the debian version? |
| 03:44.14 | necktie | Vasistha: it was out of date and banned |
| 03:44.19 | Vasistha | necktie: fun1 |
| 03:44.22 | Vasistha | ! |
| 03:44.34 | Vasistha | necktie: well... did you get it compiled and working? |
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| 03:44.43 | necktie | Vasistha: yes |
| 03:45.05 | Vasistha | necktie: that would suggest that it didn't really require python-setuptools, because python-setuptools isn't actually installed properly :) |
| 03:45.38 | Vasistha | necktie: and even if I'm wrong, since it's already compiled and set up and running, chances are you don't need it right now ... so go ahead and remove it? |
| 03:46.34 | necktie | Vasistha: it's gone |
| 03:46.49 | Vasistha | alright, so let's go to the next step |
| 03:47.03 | necktie | Vasistha: build-essential is already the newest version |
| 03:47.14 | Vasistha | necktie: yeah... so... the next step |
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| 03:48.50 | Vasistha | necktie: uhm... and where you did apt-get build-dep packagename -- you don't want to use the word "packagename" there, you want to use the, uh, package name ... lottanzb. |
| 03:48.54 | necktie | Vasistha: okay. now i'm at 4) install the resultant debs. |
| 03:49.03 | necktie | not sure what that means? |
| 03:49.25 | Vasistha | so you have a lottanzb deb already? |
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| 03:50.00 | Vasistha | necktie: I'm not convinced that you're finished with step 3 |
| 03:50.15 | necktie | Vasistha: download that from http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/lottanzb? correct? |
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| 03:50.25 | Vasistha | necktie: no! |
| 03:50.31 | necktie | Vasistha: yes. i'm finished :) |
| 03:50.41 | necktie | with step 3 |
| 03:51.01 | Vasistha | necktie: really? so do you have a lottanzb deb file sitting in the directory, which was just produced? |
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| 03:51.23 | Vasistha | <--- still not convinced you're finished with step 3 |
| 03:51.32 | necktie | Vasistha: i just deleted everything in that directory. :( |
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| 03:51.49 | Vasistha | necktie: okay, so ... apt-get build-dep lottanzp |
| 03:51.51 | necktie | i'll redo step 3 |
| 03:52.00 | Vasistha | *do the commands separately!* |
| 03:52.25 | Vasistha | you've installed build-essential, you don't need to do that again. |
| 03:52.56 | necktie | Vasistha: okay. finished with step 3 |
| 03:53.08 | Vasistha | so... ls *.deb |
| 03:53.24 | necktie | Vasistha: lottanzb_0.5.3-1_all.deb |
| 03:53.39 | Vasistha | necktie: cool. dpkg -i lottanzb_0.whataver.deb |
| 03:54.41 | necktie | Vasistha: http://pastebin.com/FNLZuL9X |
| 03:55.43 | Vasistha | necktie: so apt-get install python-kiwi |
| 03:55.56 | StuckMojo | lenny installer doesn't support ext4? |
| 03:56.02 | StuckMojo | or just not in the guided installer? |
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| 03:56.23 | Vasistha | StuckMojo: I don't believe it does. |
| 03:56.28 | StuckMojo | damn |
| 03:56.30 | simonrvn | doesn't. kernel doesn't. |
| 03:56.30 | PinkFreud | StuckMojo: 2.6.26 is pre-ext4. |
| 03:56.35 | alema0 | Doesnt support |
| 03:56.36 | necktie | Vasistha: http://pastebin.com/mvevJQzm should i use -f? |
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| 03:56.52 | StuckMojo | ah, so lenny doesn't at all? or can i update after and convert? |
| 03:57.07 | PinkFreud | StuckMojo: you can upgrade to a bpo kernel after installation to get ext4 support. |
| 03:57.17 | StuckMojo | k |
| 03:57.46 | simonrvn | some installers from other places do. and you can also update and convert yes. be aware there are sometimes performance issues with *sync() |
| 03:57.47 | Vasistha | necktie: well, that's not very encouraging... that may be the showstopped. You can try the apt-get -f |
| 03:58.13 | Vasistha | *showstopper |
| 03:58.47 | Vasistha | necktie: do you have any awareness of what we are doing? It's good for you to have an understanding so you can do this on your own next time, or with less help |
| 03:59.12 | necktie | Vasistha: yes. i am learning a lot :) |
| 03:59.48 | StuckMojo | Vasistha: performance issues? |
| 03:59.58 | StuckMojo | with ext4 in general you mean? |
| 04:00.10 | Vasistha | necktie: that's good. sorry things aren't looking too bright right now, though. I guess I'm a little surprised that the build-dep succeeded with that unmet dependency |
| 04:00.25 | Vasistha | StuckMojo: that wasn't me... |
| 04:00.33 | StuckMojo | ah yeah |
| 04:00.44 | StuckMojo | simonrvn: sync() performance with ext4 in general? |
| 04:01.09 | StuckMojo | i've been running it on my ubuntu laptop and desktop for a while now without noticable issue... |
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| 04:01.36 | simonrvn | StuckMojo: dpkg does a full sync instead of just letting the journal handle it, because the way ext4 handles its jorunal. |
| 04:01.44 | simonrvn | of the* |
| 04:02.01 | simonrvn | you notice on older machines ;) |
| 04:02.23 | simonrvn | but sounds like you won't have issues |
| 04:02.40 | necktie | Vasistha: now i get this http://pastebin.com/zgAAbHt3 . so i must install python-gtk2, correct? |
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| 04:03.12 | Vasistha | necktie: no, this is where you give up :P |
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| 04:03.47 | StuckMojo | simonrvn: oh yeah. |
| 04:04.07 | Vasistha | necktie: the stable version is 2.12, but lottanzb requires 2.14, and I'm going to guess -- I'm not really an authority on this -- but I suspect that trying to upgrade python-gtk2 is not going to be easy. |
| 04:04.10 | StuckMojo | the thing about crashes leaving the old file contents in the newly alocated file space |
| 04:04.42 | StuckMojo | ponders his partitioning scheme... |
| 04:04.51 | simonrvn | yes |
| 04:05.13 | necktie | Vasistha: :'( okay. well thanks anyways from trying to help |
| 04:05.25 | Vasistha | necktie: one possible option is to get an older version from snapshots: http://snapshot.debian.org/package/lottanzb/ |
| 04:05.34 | Vasistha | necktie: I'm not sure how to look up requirements for those |
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| 04:07.14 | Vasistha | is really looking forward to the freeze... I've got time to upgrade right now... |
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| 04:10.00 | necktie | Vasistha: when attempting to install i get this http://pastebin.com/7dWxSMWM |
| 04:10.05 | StuckMojo | what are ya'll using for swap size these days? |
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| 04:10.55 | StuckMojo | ISTM that the old rule of 2x physical ram is no longer applicable |
| 04:11.31 | StuckMojo | heh, yeah, our production postgres server has 192G ram, 2G swap |
| 04:11.54 | Vasistha | necktie: it's somewhat outside my realm, but it looks like it may have worked. |
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| 04:13.27 | alema0 | In general i'm using 40% more than physycal memory for swap |
| 04:14.10 | alema0 | But i dont have a server with more than 8gb |
| 04:14.45 | necktie | Vasistha: omg you're right! thanks so much. :-D |
| 04:15.23 | Vasistha | alema0: so 8 gb ram -> 11 gb swap? |
| 04:15.51 | StuckMojo | i'm constrainted a bit. 2x36G raid1, currently 2G ram, but soon to be at least 4, probalby 6-8 |
| 04:16.01 | StuckMojo | i don't really have the disk space for the extra swap |
| 04:16.20 | StuckMojo | and both of my current servers are using 0k of swap |
| 04:16.25 | StuckMojo | so i don't want to waste it |
| 04:16.59 | Vasistha | so make it small.. 1 GB |
| 04:17.14 | Vasistha | hopefully you'll never need it. If you do, then you should have more memory instead :) |
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| 04:22.10 | StuckMojo | Vasistha: yeah i went with 512M |
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| 04:22.27 | StuckMojo | it's LVM anyway, so i can always grow it if needed |
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| 04:29.25 | oreo | Hello. How can I set the permissions of files wget downloads? Thanks. |
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| 04:35.08 | ondrejk | oreo: man chmod |
| 04:35.36 | oreo | ondrejk: wget can't do it itself? i have to do it afterwards? |
| 04:36.22 | ondrejk | oreo: i dont think so |
| 04:36.32 | oreo | ondrejk: ok thanks |
| 04:37.55 | ondrejk | np |
| 04:39.18 | StuckMojo | you guys use tasksel? |
| 04:39.32 | StuckMojo | i usually just do a base system then use apt to install what i want... |
| 04:39.52 | StuckMojo | if i choose a couple things, does it give me a chance to customize what's installed? |
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| 04:41.17 | StuckMojo | MrNaz: sup |
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| 04:43.03 | Vasistha | Engrish_Man: probably, yeah |
| 04:44.01 | Vasistha | oreo: wget is going to follow the established umask. If you want to change it just for wget, you could do that in a subshell, but I think you'd have to do it manually each time. |
| 04:44.32 | Vasistha | StuckMojo: I prefer base system + apt as well ... tasksel isn't that flexible. |
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| 04:45.09 | Vasistha | oreo: otoh if you want to change your umask generally then you can do that as well |
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| 04:46.06 | oreo | Vasistha: problem is that it needs to apply to group as well |
| 04:46.38 | Vasistha | oreo: uhm ... I don't really understand your request but it very well may be possible. What exactly do you want, and what is happening right now? |
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| 04:46.46 | oreo | it's unfortunate that linux is still using the terrible UNIX permission system |
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| 04:46.59 | oreo | should upgrade to one an ACL |
| 04:47.27 | oreo | basically i have a script that downloads files into a lighttpd-accessible folder |
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| 04:47.51 | oreo | and the perms i use is root/www-data plus rwx/rx |
| 04:47.57 | oreo | and i want to keep those for new files |
| 04:48.20 | simonrvn | terrible? uh, acls exist already. |
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| 04:50.09 | discomfitor | hi, would anyone mind pastebinning the results of a few udev commands for me? :) |
| 04:50.13 | oreo | simonrvn: yes but they are not standardized in linux |
| 04:50.53 | oreo | as in, you have to go and activate them. I wish they would be right there from the start |
| 04:50.54 | simonrvn | uh, please state what you mean by standardized, and then i'll tell you to read man setfacl. |
| 04:51.00 | oreo | That's a plus for windows NTFS |
| 04:51.18 | oreo | i know how to use it thank you |
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| 04:51.42 | simonrvn | because it already has a way of handling permissions, and ntfs way of "permissions" is rotten. |
| 04:51.46 | oreo | by standardized i mean that the old POSIX is there by default |
| 04:51.50 | simonrvn | imo |
| 04:51.59 | oreo | how is it rotten? |
| 04:53.09 | simonrvn | if ntfs is standard to you i have to strongly disagree with you. |
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| 04:54.03 | simonrvn | unix/posix perms are straightforward, and you don't have to jump through hoops to manage them. |
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| 04:55.17 | oreo | simonrvn: you could very well implement advanced ACL and keep it simple for normal operations |
| 04:55.46 | oreo | i don't mind the chmod for normal and setfacl for advanced |
| 04:55.56 | oreo | what i mind is the fact that ACL isn't on by default |
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| 04:56.29 | simonrvn | oreo: that's what the default is for |
| 04:56.44 | oreo | and when you're on an openvz/virtuozzo host who doesn't know how/care to enable it |
| 04:56.56 | oreo | and you want ACL, you're screwed |
| 04:57.29 | oreo | simonrvn: with that logic there should be almost nothing enabled on linux then, huh |
| 04:58.02 | wols | the default is for KISS. and if you want control. virtuozzo is the wrong answer to your question |
| 04:58.08 | simonrvn | getfacl .\n# file: .\n# owner: XXXXX\n# group: users\nuser::rwx\ngroup::r-x\nother::r-x |
| 04:58.22 | oreo | simonrvn: ? |
| 04:58.41 | simonrvn | i'm not pasting 6 lines here |
| 04:58.43 | oreo | wols: ACL doesn't break KISS since it still allows the use of chmod; so why not have it on? |
| 04:58.58 | oreo | simonrvn: no i'm not getting your point about this paste |
| 04:59.03 | simonrvn | see that? they're already on |
| 04:59.15 | simonrvn | you know what \n is right? |
| 04:59.18 | oreo | wols: and with all the hosts using VZ, there's not much choice is there |
| 04:59.21 | discomfitor | if anyone wants to be a huge help, run this and tell me if you get any results with 50 or 53: for x in /sys/block/*; do echo $x; sudo udevadm info --path=$x -a;done|grep capability |
| 04:59.30 | \amethyst | simonrvn: err, to use non-basic ACLs, at least with ext3, you need a mount option |
| 04:59.43 | simonrvn | \amethyst: ;) |
| 04:59.54 | oreo | simonrvn: they might be on for you. I had to enable them on my own server, and my provider doesn't support them and I wasn't able to get them to enable |
| 05:00.07 | simonrvn | /dev/sdb1 on / type ext4 (rw,errors=remount-ro,user_xattr,acl) |
| 05:00.12 | oreo | simonrvn: yes and what \amethyst said |
| 05:00.15 | simonrvn | already am ;) |
| 05:00.25 | \amethyst | oreo: can you mount a loopback fs? |
| 05:00.39 | simonrvn | oreo: oh that sucks :/ |
| 05:01.18 | oreo | \amethyst: on VZ no, unless they explicitly allow the creation of block devices. I might as well go kick their asses physically to have them enable ACL |
| 05:01.36 | simonrvn | oreo: did you ask them? |
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| 05:01.47 | oreo | another provider I had tried plain said no because ACL supposedly broke VZ, which is BS |
| 05:01.59 | simonrvn | wtf |
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| 05:02.27 | oreo | simonrvn: I didn't ask them to allow me to create block devices. I find it dumb to have to create one just for ACL |
| 05:02.36 | simonrvn | oreo: sorry if i was a bit pushy, the hockey team here won tonight and the fans were rather noisy and i have a headache now because of it. |
| 05:02.42 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 05:03.04 | oreo | it's ok man |
| 05:03.25 | simonrvn | well, and the unix perms comment i found rather ignorant. my approach sucked. |
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| 05:03.37 | \amethyst | hm, do any Linux fses support NFS4 ACLs? |
| 05:03.50 | oreo | \amethyst: btrfs? |
| 05:03.54 | simonrvn | i don't know |
| 05:03.58 | oreo | and isn't ext4 supposed to handle it? |
| 05:04.01 | \amethyst | hm |
| 05:04.08 | oreo | that's a plus for ZFS btw |
| 05:04.08 | pallgone | hmm... I notice that in squeeze reading the database on cold boot is suddenly much faster... it starts already at like 70% |
| 05:04.19 | \amethyst | nfs4_getfacl claims it only works on a mounted NFSv4 filesystem |
| 05:04.31 | \amethyst | but I haven't tried ZFS under fuse |
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| 05:04.56 | oreo | \amethyst: i'd say they're right. apparently nfs4 acl is rather different |
| 05:05.17 | \amethyst | yeah, it's closer to Windows-style ACLs |
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| 05:05.31 | simonrvn | mine doesn't even say that, it just complains (paraphrased) 'unsupported' |
| 05:05.44 | oreo | not sure how they make the difference. probably in the FS blocks or something |
| 05:06.04 | simonrvn | mm |
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| 05:07.45 | oreo | basically i wish the POSIX ACL system was on in the kernel and on all possible filesystems by default |
| 05:08.00 | oreo | that way i wouldn't be here complaining about my damn host not supporting them |
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| 05:08.49 | \amethyst | yeah |
| 05:09.02 | Vasistha | oreo: well, at least part of your original request can be fulfilled with default perms: group ownership can be preserved with setgid |
| 05:09.15 | \amethyst | Vasistha: but not group permissions |
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| 05:10.40 | oreo | not group permissions, and +s isn't great to me |
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| 05:10.50 | oreo | it's actually so much simple with ACL |
| 05:10.55 | oreo | just add default permissions |
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| 05:11.10 | oreo | someone talked about KISS earlier |
| 05:11.10 | Vasistha | well, sorry to hear your host won't accomodate you. |
| 05:11.21 | oreo | it actually fullfills KISS much better than old POSIX |
| 05:11.36 | Vasistha | that's really what it comes down to, isn't it? Your host won't accomodate a simple request. |
| 05:11.53 | oreo | if anyone is curious, i'm with urgentVPS |
| 05:12.02 | simonrvn | one to avoid ;) |
| 05:12.21 | oreo | well i pay 5 euros a month, so it's still interesting |
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| 05:13.48 | oreo | i get 3 IP's, 100GB transfer, 100Mbps max (shared), 30GB disk space, 384MB RAM |
| 05:14.50 | wols | oreo: kiss for the hoster |
| 05:15.08 | simonrvn | not bad |
| 05:15.44 | MeglaW | to bad on the cap. :( |
| 05:16.09 | oreo | wols: huh? |
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| 05:18.07 | mmnicolas | anyone can recommend a nice cheap bluetooth adapter that works ?, i bought one three years ago, then i bought two other that only works with sid |
| 05:18.27 | mmnicolas | only the first one i bought works flawlessly with everything |
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| 05:18.41 | MeglaW | buy another of that one |
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| 05:18.54 | mmnicolas | yea thats the problem, i can't find it anymore |
| 05:19.00 | mmnicolas | and its damn big |
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| 05:19.06 | MeglaW | ah |
| 05:19.48 | mmnicolas | as i discovered, it is illegal to maintain a list of working bt device for linux |
| 05:20.12 | mmnicolas | this is one of the biggest frustration of my life |
| 05:20.29 | Vasistha | really? that's ... just ... sad. I see they are eager to get people enthusiastic about using it, so they make it difficult to do so. |
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| 05:21.00 | wols | mmnicolas: illegal? |
| 05:21.32 | mmnicolas | http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/12/26/131258 |
| 05:21.34 | mmnicolas | yep |
| 05:21.54 | wols | and it's impossible to tell you which one to buy since the manufacturers will replace chips inside the BT adapters on a whim |
| 05:22.53 | wols | so while we can tell you to buy X, it's not certain it will have the same chip inside as when we bought it (e.g. I got the cheapest I can find and so far it works fine under every OS. only nokia software is shit as usual, and of coure widcomm on the windows side) |
| 05:24.16 | mmnicolas | so it is really an horrible situation, the best thing to do is to buy a dozen of them, then return them all except one or two |
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| 05:25.17 | mmnicolas | and i can't even give them a good excuse to return them |
| 05:25.45 | mmnicolas | hopefully i work at a Bestbuy.. |
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| 05:29.54 | Vasistha | mmnicolas: heh, you could take your lappy into the store, buy one, test it, return it and buy the next... |
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| 05:41.00 | simonrvn | AFAICT, it's not illegal (i'm no lawyer either), and i don't see why someone would contrue that list as being illegal. illegal according to who anyway? |
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| 05:41.24 | mmnicolas | according to the Bluetooth SIG |
| 05:41.27 | mmnicolas | the link ive pasted |
| 05:41.53 | simonrvn | i think that letter is bs. no real teeth. |
| 05:41.59 | mmnicolas | They've asked Marcel Holtmann from bluez to take down his list and he did |
| 05:42.16 | simonrvn | yeh, probably because he didn't know what to do. |
| 05:43.18 | mmnicolas | anyways i found this: http://www.qbik.ch/usb/devices/search_res.php?pattern=bluetooth |
| 05:43.28 | mmnicolas | it helps a bigt |
| 05:43.32 | mmnicolas | s/bigt/bit |
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| 05:43.46 | simonrvn | if it were me, i'd tell to go away, you have no jurisdiction. but i'm also in a rare legal situation ;). |
| 05:43.55 | simonrvn | tell them* |
| 05:44.16 | mmnicolas | hehe |
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| 05:46.46 | uncmar | :( |
| 05:47.07 | uncmar | if I try b43 it says use b43legacy and the opposite is true. |
| 05:47.58 | wols | uncmar: which chip? (PCI ID) |
| 05:47.59 | uncmar | I have a BCM4306/2 |
| 05:48.20 | wols | that's not what I asked |
| 05:49.44 | uncmar | wols: and you didn't tell me how to give you that info. |
| 05:49.58 | mmnicolas | will i get in trouble if i backport a kernel from squeeze to try it out ? |
| 05:50.18 | wols | mmnicolas: why would you want to? /msg dpkg bpo |
| 05:50.22 | wols | uncmar: lspci -nn |
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| 05:50.42 | mmnicolas | wols: to see if my bluetooth dongle works with a newer kernel |
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| 05:50.59 | wols | mmnicolas: did you write the /msg I told you about? |
| 05:51.01 | uncmar | wols: 14e4:4320 |
| 05:51.13 | mmnicolas | i know one of them works with 2.6.32 |
| 05:51.15 | wols | ,pciid 14e4:4320 |
| 05:51.18 | judd | [14e4:4320] is 'BCM4306 802.11b/g Wireless LAN Controller' from 'Broadcom Corporation' with kernel module 'ssb' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=14e4:4320 |
| 05:51.31 | mmnicolas | wols: yea, but still i am answering your first question |
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| 05:51.49 | wols | mmnicolas: there are already backports |
| 05:52.00 | mmnicolas | thats what i meant |
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| 05:52.32 | uncmar | yes, it worked fine in lenny using that v2.6.26 ?? |
| 05:52.35 | wols | too bad you didn't say that then |
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| 05:53.13 | uncmar | I am now in squeeze with 2.6.32 |
| 05:53.14 | StuckMojo | is there a command line utility to change/choose your apt mirror? |
| 05:53.20 | wols | uncmar: and? |
| 05:53.25 | mmnicolas | i said it, you misunderstood |
| 05:53.50 | uncmar | wols: and I have been unable to install the firmware since. |
| 05:53.59 | Vasistha | StuckMojo: well there's apt-netselect ... or maybe it's netselect-apt ... but I was never very happy with it. Back up your sources.list first |
| 05:54.01 | wols | "if i backport a kernel" means "backport" is a verb. you doing a backport. you don't need to backport it |
| 05:54.04 | uncmar | I have the firmware and can put it in place if I knew where that was. |
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| 05:54.19 | wols | uncmar: /lib/firmware |
| 05:54.20 | StuckMojo | Vasistha: thx |
| 05:54.39 | mmnicolas | "if i backport a kernel" means using a backport |
| 05:54.41 | wols | uncmar: SAME place for lenny |
| 05:55.03 | wols | mmnicolas: you need to upgrade your understanding of the english language. especially find out what those "verb" thingies are |
| 05:55.12 | mmnicolas | hehe |
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| 05:56.31 | wols | StuckMojo: /msg dpkg mirrors simply choose one of those |
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| 06:00.27 | uncmar | wols: and just like that, my wireless is now working. |
| 06:01.02 | uncmar | brb |
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| 06:03.38 | StuckMojo | wols: i wanted to get a fast one |
| 06:03.47 | StuckMojo | netselect-apt worked well |
| 06:04.03 | StuckMojo | how do you enable tab completion for apt/aptitude? |
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| 06:06.39 | StuckMojo | nm |
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| 06:06.47 | StuckMojo | bash-completion i think |
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| 06:10.45 | uncmar | I made it back. both NIC's on same network so I had to ifconfig down eth0 |
| 06:10.56 | StuckMojo | anything special to know about setting lenny up as a xen host? |
| 06:11.54 | StuckMojo | nm, dpkg to the rescue |
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| 06:13.26 | grummund | Hi, if someone changes the date on a file with touch, can this be detected later? |
| 06:14.11 | wols | no |
| 06:14.14 | kryptoz | grummund, i think may be the "ls -ltc" will help |
| 06:14.27 | kryptoz | the -c shows the time-date the file is ceated.. |
| 06:14.44 | wols | sure, but you can change ctime, atime and mtime, however you wish |
| 06:14.46 | grummund | for example... date -s fake time"; touch foo; date "correct time" |
| 06:15.01 | \amethyst | you can't change ctime as you wish unless you can set the clock |
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| 06:15.23 | kryptoz | touch wont change the ctime or atime, right ? sorry If i had wrong info |
| 06:15.26 | wols | \amethyst: no way to change ctime with any API? |
| 06:15.35 | grummund | \amethyst: so the above command would fake it without being detected? |
| 06:15.37 | wols | kryptoz: it won't change ctime, but it will atime |
| 06:15.42 | \amethyst | wols: sure, but only to the current time |
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| 06:16.39 | grummund | found that in the bash history ;-( |
| 06:16.41 | grummund | date -s "fake time"; touch foo; date -s "correct time" |
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| 06:21.41 | \amethyst | grummund: correct; there's no way to tell in retrospect that the time was faked there |
| 06:22.01 | \amethyst | grummund: unless, perhaps, this is a remote filesystem |
| 06:22.17 | grummund | it's local ;-( |
| 06:22.51 | \amethyst | only root can fake the date, of course |
| 06:23.10 | \amethyst | others can with an LD_PRELOAD, but that won't affect the ctime of changed files |
| 06:23.13 | grummund | we gave root to someone to work on a server ;-/ |
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| 06:24.31 | grummund | hmm, would date change be logged?... |
| 06:24.35 | nsadmin | I guess you would absolutely identify the person you're giving root to, and make them enter into a contract |
| 06:25.25 | StuckMojo | anyone know offhand the vim package you need to get syntax highlighting? |
| 06:25.25 | grummund | yep, we know who it is... and it can be dealt with given enough evidence |
| 06:25.27 | StuckMojo | but not a gui? |
| 06:25.41 | StuckMojo | it almost seems like it's vim-gnome... |
| 06:25.48 | \amethyst | StuckMojo: vim-nox |
| 06:25.50 | StuckMojo | but that pulls in a whole lot of crap i don't want |
| 06:25.54 | StuckMojo | odd. i have that one installed |
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| 06:26.16 | nsadmin | was the person -purposefully- doing whatever to your server? |
| 06:26.25 | nsadmin | you'd have to show intent |
| 06:26.27 | \amethyst | StuckMojo: make sure you have 'filetype on' and 'syntax on' in your .vimrc |
| 06:26.39 | \amethyst | you don't have to show intent to fire someone |
| 06:26.46 | nsadmin | or at least, if you can prove intent your case gets much better |
| 06:26.49 | \amethyst | or were you thinking about having them arrested? |
| 06:27.07 | nsadmin | to sue them |
| 06:27.18 | \amethyst | you'd have to show damages |
| 06:27.19 | StuckMojo | E319: Sorry, the command is not available in this version |
| 06:27.30 | \amethyst | StuckMojo: update-alternatives --config vim |
| 06:27.35 | \amethyst | StuckMojo: make sure it's not vim.tiny |
| 06:27.38 | StuckMojo | aha! |
| 06:27.39 | StuckMojo | thanks |
| 06:27.44 | nsadmin | it's unclear whether you want to sue them first or have them arrested first (if the latter, they can plead nolo contendre) |
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| 06:28.06 | StuckMojo | oops |
| 06:28.06 | nsadmin | if they do that you cannot sue |
| 06:28.13 | StuckMojo | i guess i didn't have vim-nox installed |
| 06:28.16 | StuckMojo | i did start to install it |
| 06:28.21 | StuckMojo | hmph |
| 06:28.24 | StuckMojo | sorry ;) |
| 06:29.05 | grummund | i know this is a stupid question... but what would it take to recover a file that has been replaced? |
| 06:29.37 | StuckMojo | aha! i cancelled it because the mirror was too slow |
| 06:29.37 | StuckMojo | then forgot to re-run it |
| 06:29.37 | nsadmin | restore it from your backup |
| 06:29.37 | grummund | assumes it's really not possible |
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| 06:29.48 | \amethyst | grummund: possibly you can grep through the filesystem and see if maybe the old blocks are still there |
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| 06:30.10 | nsadmin | was this accidental? |
| 06:30.21 | grummund | \amethyst: can you tell me how to do that? i know what to look for, it's some php server code |
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| 06:30.51 | grummund | nsadmin: deliberate |
| 06:31.22 | nsadmin | you should go after him then |
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| 06:31.31 | grummund | nsadmin: indeed |
| 06:32.02 | \amethyst | grummund: ext3grep might be useful |
| 06:32.13 | StuckMojo | yay! got my color |
| 06:32.17 | \amethyst | grummund: first thing to do is unmount the filesystem or at least mount it read-only |
| 06:32.32 | \amethyst | grummund: every write you do has a chance of hitting one of those blocks |
| 06:32.34 | nsadmin | why would he do such a thing? did he get pissed off? |
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| 06:34.12 | grummund | nsadmin: i'm the one that's pissed off :P |
| 06:34.37 | nsadmin | understood. so what motivated him? |
| 06:34.42 | StuckMojo | you could try using recover |
| 06:34.46 | StuckMojo | or some other undelete |
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| 06:35.11 | grummund | nsadmin: he denies bugs in his code, wastes days of our time arguing about it, then hacks and replaces the code under our feet while we're testing ;-/ |
| 06:35.35 | \amethyst | recover doesn't work on ext3 |
| 06:35.38 | nsadmin | what state is this? |
| 06:35.59 | Peacimowen | eek |
| 06:36.23 | grummund | nsadmin: he will be fired, but we've also got a project to deliver |
| 06:36.33 | StuckMojo | hmph. i thought debian had switched from exim to postfix |
| 06:36.49 | nsadmin | make sure you have ALL your ducks in a row |
| 06:36.52 | \amethyst | StuckMojo: nope, exim4 is the default |
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| 06:37.33 | StuckMojo | grummund: did he hack it to fix his bug? |
| 06:37.35 | \amethyst | oh, so this is an employee, and you're not the boss? |
| 06:37.52 | Peacimowen | coworker? |
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| 06:39.38 | grummund | \amethyst: we're both contract, albeit at different points in the chain... the boss is acutely aware of the issue. |
| 06:40.30 | nsadmin | the less he knows about plans and such the better... but he must suspect that something is up |
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| 06:41.54 | nsadmin | I'd take his privs on the vcs machine entirely, and put someone to review every byte of his code |
| 06:42.35 | nsadmin | if I were the boss those two steps would be done instantly |
| 06:42.46 | uncmar | well, I am not sure which linux I will be installing but I am pissed at the current debian install. |
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| 06:43.24 | nsadmin | uncmar: the choice of what you install is yours... so if you're pissed off, you're doing the pissing |
| 06:43.54 | nsadmin | this is not to say we won't help |
| 06:44.31 | uncmar | at this point, I am not sure if it is now a botched install or... |
| 06:44.38 | uncmar | squeeze doesn't like my hardware. |
| 06:44.46 | \amethyst | you mean ^R^W ? |
| 06:44.47 | \amethyst | doh |
| 06:45.02 | nsadmin | too old? new? |
| 06:45.12 | uncmar | old |
| 06:45.26 | nsadmin | iirc, there's a lot of that going on |
| 06:45.32 | valdyn | uncmar: why are you using the squeeze installer? |
| 06:45.54 | nsadmin | you could try something earlier then try upgrading |
| 06:46.12 | uncmar | valdyn: I used lenny, and tried to upgrade to squeeze. It hasn't gone well. |
| 06:46.35 | valdyn | uncmar: so you failed to upgrade and decide to use a daily build, thats not right |
| 06:46.46 | uncmar | I went from a good desktop with crappy flash, to a crappy desktop. |
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| 06:47.27 | valdyn | and thats when you should probably be using lenny anyway |
| 06:47.34 | uncmar | I was running lenny for a few months. I just got irritated with flash running like crap. |
| 06:47.45 | valdyn | flash on linux is crap |
| 06:47.53 | ondrejk | valdyn: flash is crap :) |
| 06:48.05 | Peacimowen | yeah, but it's a standard now |
| 06:48.26 | valdyn | iphonies get along without it, so do I |
| 06:49.11 | valdyn | uncmar: maybe you had another issue, but flash on lenny is not worse than flash on squeeze |
| 06:49.17 | uncmar | flash maybe crap. flash maybe crap on linux. but it works beautifully on my other laptop running ubuntu. |
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| 06:49.32 | valdyn | uncmar: so you had another issue |
| 06:50.26 | nsadmin | uncmar: you know you have the choice to put ubuntu on there if that's what you want, but I suspect there's something you want about/in debian |
| 06:50.51 | nsadmin | otherwise you wouldn't be pissed off :) |
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| 06:51.12 | uncmar | well, my thought was that ubuntu is just a step removed from debian. so I would rather be running closer to the source. |
| 06:51.25 | nsadmin | ok, that's reasonable |
| 06:51.32 | valdyn | uncmar: i dont find that reasonable |
| 06:51.39 | Peacimowen | It's a reason, I suppose. |
| 06:52.08 | Peacimowen | At one point it might have been better, but ubuntu is it's own distro these days. |
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| 06:52.27 | valdyn | now i bet the most likely culprit is using the wrong gfx driver in your case |
| 06:52.28 | nsadmin | I still say it's reasonable... but at the moment it's not serving your purpose... |
| 06:52.56 | valdyn | but using just what works ( ie. ubuntu ) makes sense as does fixing the issue directly. Your choice |
| 06:53.03 | valdyn | upgrading isnt it though |
| 06:53.21 | uncmar | so ubuntu is now a distro that was *originally* derived or forked from a particular version of debian at a point in time? |
| 06:53.29 | valdyn | uncmar: no |
| 06:53.31 | nsadmin | depending on how old the hardware is |
| 06:53.33 | Peacimowen | xubuntu didn't work.. that's why I'm on debian. |
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| 06:53.45 | valdyn | uncmar: ubuntu rebase each release and publish the diffs |
| 06:55.20 | nsadmin | uncmar: aiui, each release of ubuntu is a fork of sid at a specific point |
| 06:55.38 | nsadmin | so they NEVER enjoy any part of debian stability, at all |
| 06:56.09 | nsadmin | except to the extent sid is stable |
| 06:57.00 | uncmar | nsadmin: so, if I want closer to the source of ubuntu then i would run debian's sid. Still not really a solution to my problems. but.. well, anyway. |
| 06:57.12 | nsadmin | agreed |
| 06:57.15 | Peacimowen | ... so that makes debian-unstable and ubuntu-unstable the same, eh? :P |
| 06:57.53 | nsadmin | it makes ubuntu unstable a snapshot of a specific point in time of debian unstable |
| 06:58.35 | Trewas | the newest ubuntu release was syncing from testing, unless the ubuntu maintainer of a package chose to sync from unstable |
| 06:59.07 | nsadmin | oh, then they're moving up in the world! |
| 06:59.42 | Trewas | but usually they get the packages from unstable, except for the packages they make themself (for example kernel and gnome) |
| 07:00.06 | Peacimowen | So, simply, ubuntu sources most of its packages from some point in debian |
| 07:01.17 | uncmar | This is where I stand at the moment. I can reinstall lenny from my 5.0.3 CD. Or I can find a way to install squeeze, but I'd rather not create another disk. Just a hassle. I prefer some form of live installing. install from a working system. a sort of upgrade. :/ |
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| 07:02.04 | Peacimowen | Why did your upgrade fail? |
| 07:02.40 | uncmar | Peacimowen: I don't know. all I know is that I flakey internet or iceweasel or both. |
| 07:02.51 | Peacimowen | Perhaps a way can be found to make a proper dist-upgrade work |
| 07:03.17 | uncmar | I think it is something in the desktop though. appears to work from tty just fine, even w3m works fine. |
| 07:03.26 | nsadmin | uncmar: wired or wireless? |
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| 07:03.37 | uncmar | wireless. I have both available. |
| 07:03.47 | nsadmin | and they each work? |
| 07:03.52 | uncmar | but even my wired is actually wireless. I cheat that way. |
| 07:04.05 | Peacimowen | wireless wired?? |
| 07:04.13 | uncmar | the wired works without issue. wireless has been an a problem. |
| 07:04.15 | Peacimowen | how does that work? ethernet bridge? |
| 07:04.20 | uncmar | Peacimowen: I have an extender. |
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| 07:04.38 | nsadmin | so the extender is separate? |
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| 07:05.06 | nsadmin | a wireless dongle connected by ethernet? |
| 07:05.07 | uncmar | Yeah, the extender works like a PC connecting to the router and I connect that via wire to my laptop. |
| 07:05.25 | nsadmin | ok |
| 07:05.44 | nsadmin | the point I was getting at, is that both work |
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| 07:06.06 | uncmar | I call it cheating cause I don't have to set in the hall by the freaking router tethered to a 2 inch. Um, 6 foot cord. |
| 07:06.15 | ondrejk | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:06.22 | uncmar | yes, both are working now. |
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| 07:06.45 | Peacimowen | ondrejk: press power button on the speakers? |
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| 07:07.11 | ondrejk | Peacimowen: it's laptop, it hasnt any power button on speakers |
| 07:07.17 | Peacimowen | oh. |
| 07:07.31 | uncmar | ondrejk: plug headphones in Through the speakers if they have a jack? |
| 07:07.41 | uncmar | ondrejk: OH. |
| 07:07.42 | cahoot | ondrejk: might need provide an option for the als-module |
| 07:07.47 | cahoot | alsa |
| 07:08.05 | ondrejk | i've tried few options, but without luck |
| 07:08.10 | cahoot | ondrejk: ok |
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| 07:08.31 | uncmar | my current problem is the desktop is incredibly laggy. and has funny action. |
| 07:08.50 | ondrejk | is here in squeeze any equivalent for alsaconf? |
| 07:08.51 | uncmar | funny action = Must click instead of tapping touchpad. |
| 07:09.13 | uncmar | and must move cursor after click to have the click take effect. |
| 07:09.55 | uncmar | I am now using the "nvidia" drivers that I downloaded from nvidia. |
| 07:10.23 | uncmar | well, not NOW, cause I am at tty. but.. that is what is installed. and the performace is still crap. |
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| 07:12.59 | uncmar | CPU: 1.5Ghz, RAM: 1Gig, HDD: 30Gig only 15 for linux. |
| 07:13.37 | Peacimowen | running gnome? kde? |
| 07:13.48 | uncmar | openbox |
| 07:13.57 | Peacimowen | ok, then that's not an issue |
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| 07:14.52 | uncmar | I do my wireless settings by cli and removed the Network Manager applet. Freaking resource hog. :P |
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| 07:18.27 | nsadmin | uncmar: I find it annoying for other reasons too |
| 07:19.01 | uncmar | yeah, like trying to stop some networking and it just comes back? |
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| 07:20.00 | nsadmin | well as far as I know it doesn't use /etc/network/interfaces, or write it |
| 07:20.02 | SerajewelKS | uncmar: it doesn't do that if you know how to use it |
| 07:20.08 | nsadmin | that's what annoys me the most |
| 07:20.08 | uncmar | anyhow, so what do we suggest on trying to fix this thing? a reinstall of lenny? or hope to patch squeeze? |
| 07:20.24 | SerajewelKS | nsadmin: it can use ifup/ifdown, but only if you enable it |
| 07:20.44 | nsadmin | which in turn use interfaces |
| 07:21.02 | SerajewelKS | right. i don't know if it will update interfaces. (honestly i wouldn't want it to.) |
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| 07:22.25 | uncmar | I get messages during boot from udev that I am unable to find in dmesg. |
| 07:23.47 | uncmar | /proc/acpi/battery is now missing. even though many other acpi items are listed. |
| 07:23.52 | smhar | I installed realplayer in squeeze. I remember in Windows, this added a link whenever I move the mouse over a streaming video to 'save video'. it is not doing the same in debian. am I missing something? |
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| 07:24.48 | SerajewelKS | smhar: there are plenty of firefox extensions to do that |
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| 07:24.56 | SerajewelKS | smhar: also, realplayer sucks |
| 07:25.23 | smhar | it does. |
| 07:25.33 | uncmar | heh, I like realplayer and quicktime equally well. "NOT AT ALL" |
| 07:25.44 | foxmulder | smhar: agreed. Use vlc instead. |
| 07:26.00 | cahoot | you *must* mean mplayer |
| 07:26.17 | SerajewelKS | vlc and totem both work quite well these days |
| 07:26.35 | SerajewelKS | totem has the advantage of integrating well with your desktop, if you use gnome |
| 07:26.43 | SerajewelKS | (e.g. no drag-and-drop into playlist with vlc) |
| 07:26.46 | uncmar | vlc is a little sluggish but appears to play almost anything. Very versatile. |
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| 07:27.26 | foxmulder | I use vlc for both aud and vid with absolute minimal fuss. Works every time. |
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| 07:27.48 | SerajewelKS | my only gripe with vlc is that it does not properly support chained ogg streams |
| 07:28.15 | SerajewelKS | i had to patch mpd to get vlc to play its icecast stream without skipping |
| 07:28.27 | foxmulder | I don't even know what chained ogg stream is?!? |
| 07:29.04 | uncmar | is with foxmulder on that. "chained huh???" |
| 07:29.23 | SerajewelKS | ogg is a container format. chained ogg is when the audio stream ends and another audio stream begins. |
| 07:29.50 | SerajewelKS | this is the proper way to change metadata in a player when the song changes, because ogg info is associated with a certain stream. you can't introduce new metadata mid-stream. |
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| 07:30.01 | SerajewelKS | so you must close the current stream and open another one, with the new metadata. |
| 07:30.14 | SerajewelKS | most players handle this well. vlc does not. |
| 07:30.33 | foxmulder | Got it! |
| 07:30.45 | StuckMojo | in the xen entry on the wiki: Lenny only includes 32 bit (PAE) kernel support which means there is no installer support for 64 bit guests. |
| 07:30.48 | SerajewelKS | it throws out the contents of the buffer and starts buffering the next track, instead of playing out the buffer while buffering the next track |
| 07:30.51 | StuckMojo | huh? |
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| 07:31.03 | SerajewelKS | so if you have a 3-second buffer, the last 3 seconds of each song are effectively replaced with silence. |
| 07:31.05 | foxmulder | I guess that doesn't affect me as I don't stream anyway. |
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| 07:32.02 | SerajewelKS | foxmulder: it's an annoying as hell problem, and mpd doesn't even provide a config-based mechanism to disable it. had to patch the sources myself. |
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| 07:32.46 | SerajewelKS | not that i'm complaining, at least they're both open source so we can fix them :P |
| 07:32.53 | foxmulder | SerajewelKS: fair enough mate. |
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| 07:33.44 | foxmulder | +1 |
| 07:34.11 | foxmulder | Currently working on aria2 mods myself. ;-) |
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| 07:41.06 | smhar | SerajewelKS, foxmulder, I have vlc installed but it does not seem to have a way to save streaming video. what I m doing now is to go to /tmp and copy the video from there |
| 07:41.32 | smhar | SerajewelKS, foxmulder, I have both mplayer and vlc installed |
| 07:42.05 | smhar | SerajewelKS, foxmulder, cahoot: actually vlc, mplayer and totem |
| 07:42.18 | uncmar | I had totem, mplayer and vlc installed. Usually used vlc, but sometimes I had to use one of the others to play the video. |
| 07:42.56 | uncmar | I say had because... Not sure what I am about to do to this laptop. |
| 07:44.01 | smhar | uncmar, I usually use vlc for 'playing' the videos, but I want something to 'save' the streaming video locally first |
| 07:44.59 | uncmar | vlc can save a stream as it plays, but it has been awhile since I tinkered with that fancy stuff. |
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| 07:46.30 | stranger_ | uncmar, I usually use vlc for 'playing' the videos, but I want something to 'save' the streaming video locally first |
| 07:47.25 | uncmar | stranger_: vlc can save a stream as it plays, but it has been awhile since I tinkered with that fancy stuff. or instead of playing the stream. |
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| 07:50.27 | zcat[1] | I usually use mplayer --dumpstream |
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| 07:50.35 | SerajewelKS | stranger_: is the video being served via HTTP? |
| 07:50.54 | valdyn | stranger_: you tried "streamripper" ? |
| 07:51.27 | SerajewelKS | stranger_: vlc is just playing it while it downloads it. there's no reason you can't use another tool to download it first. |
| 07:51.42 | stranger_ | SerajewelKS, this is an example: http://learn.awakenedvoice.com/2007/07/30/drupal-cck-and-views-tutorial/ |
| 07:51.55 | stranger_ | valdyn, no. I will try it |
| 07:52.54 | SerajewelKS | stranger_: and how are you even playing that in vlc? |
| 07:52.59 | zcat[1] | mplayer --dumpstream "http://a5.video2.blip.tv/0430000078228/Awakenedvoice-DrupalCCKAndViewsTutorial767.flv?bri=18.8&brs=1143" |
| 07:53.21 | SerajewelKS | or how about just using wget |
| 07:53.30 | zcat[1] | Or even just wget |
| 07:53.34 | SerajewelKS | no need to run a media player to fetch something via HTTP |
| 07:53.41 | zcat[1] | hehe, true |
| 07:53.47 | stranger_ | SerajewelKS, I am plying it in ff. once it is completed I go to /tmp and copy the video file locally and I can play in in vlc |
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| 07:54.18 | SerajewelKS | that's like attaching a zipped word document to an email to send somebody a screenshot |
| 07:54.24 | zcat[1] | Oh, try downloadhelper plugin ? |
| 07:54.34 | SerajewelKS | stranger_: i already told you to use a firefox extension |
| 07:55.03 | zcat[1] | view page source, search for .flv, wget that link... |
| 07:55.27 | zcat[1] | so many ways you could do this |
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| 07:56.04 | stranger_ | zcat[1], I do the wget thing if possible. many time there is no clear url to the video in the source as it is dynamically created using php or jscript |
| 07:56.35 | zcat[1] | so use downloadhelper |
| 07:56.44 | stranger_ | zcat[1], I will try the downloadhelper plugin . SerajewelKS, any recommended ff extension? |
| 07:56.49 | zcat[1] | it finds just about any video |
| 07:57.40 | SerajewelKS | stranger_: i don't use them myself but i vaguely recall using downloadhelper a while ago |
| 07:57.47 | SerajewelKS | stranger_: just try a few, use the one you like |
| 07:58.09 | stranger_ | will do that. thanks SerajewelKS nd zcat[1] |
| 07:58.22 | zcat[1] | I really LOL when people use camstudio to record stuff from the screen that they're playing off the web... there are so many ways usually that they could just grab the stream directly |
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| 07:59.01 | wols | zcat[1]: DRM addled minds at their finest |
| 07:59.36 | eviltoaster | How can i get terminal font size smaller? |
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| 07:59.43 | eviltoaster | no x |
| 07:59.46 | nsadmin | zcat[1], sometimes it's a matter of what can be done the quickest and simplest at the time (time has value too) |
| 07:59.52 | uncmar | zcat[1]: I have a gf that does something like that. I won't bother teaching her otherwise. Too much work for me. |
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| 08:00.24 | uncmar | eviltoaster: good question, that I would like the answer to. |
| 08:00.42 | zcat[1] | vga=ask as a kernel parameter |
| 08:00.44 | eviltoaster | uncmar, ^^ |
| 08:00.47 | SerajewelKS | eviltoaster: set the video mode in the bootloader |
| 08:00.55 | SerajewelKS | also, what zcat[1] said |
| 08:01.00 | zcat[1] | once you find one you like that works, add vga=whatever to grub permanently |
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| 08:01.21 | eviltoaster | SerajewelKS, ah ok |
| 08:01.22 | ondrejk | hi, is there any way to get package with kernel 2.6.34 for squeeze? |
| 08:01.25 | nsadmin | move your head away from the screen... |
| 08:01.41 | zcat[1] | or get a smaller monitor ;) |
| 08:01.45 | wols | ondrejk: why do you need .34 especially? |
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| 08:02.05 | ondrejk | wols: i need it because of patch for alsa |
| 08:02.41 | nsadmin | which helps you how? |
| 08:02.45 | wols | since .34 doesn't exist yet, you cannot get it for any distro |
| 08:03.04 | wols | nsadmin: new alsa has workarounds for all the shitty hda implementations out there |
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| 08:03.32 | wols | ondrejk: .34 isn't released yet. all you can do is compile a beta/rc for yourself |
| 08:03.44 | nsadmin | might have a shitty hda implementation... |
| 08:03.57 | SerajewelKS | hda meaning... |
| 08:03.59 | wols | not "might", they are all shitty. it's hda after all |
| 08:04.00 | SerajewelKS | high-def audio? |
| 08:04.03 | m0usep0t4t0 | Hello, I use Lenny. In an attempt to fix GRUB after reinstalling XP, I somehow managed to delete by '/boot'. Is there a way to fix this without reinstalling whole OS? '/boot' is mounted on separate logical partition |
| 08:04.04 | wols | SerajewelKS: yes |
| 08:04.20 | wols | m0usep0t4t0: reinstall grub |
| 08:04.21 | nsadmin | that crap intel thing that gives so many people so many problems |
| 08:04.31 | SerajewelKS | i thought 44.1kHz was already more samples than the human ear can distinguish per second? |
| 08:04.44 | SerajewelKS | or does hda refer to 32- or 64-bit samples? |
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| 08:05.12 | valdyn | 5.1 sound etc |
| 08:05.26 | valdyn | not higher sample rates than usual, 48k was already common |
| 08:05.27 | nsadmin | well cymbals is still somewhat problematic |
| 08:05.38 | m0usep0t4t0 | wols: I tried that. I triedf following commands 'sudo mount -o dev /mnt/hda1' & 'sudo chroot /mnt/hda1 grub-install /dev/hda' but it didn't work |
| 08:05.56 | wols | m0usep0t4t0: reinstalling the grub package I meant |
| 08:05.59 | zcat[1] | grub or grub2 ? |
| 08:06.03 | SerajewelKS | all this hi-def stuff coming out lately just exploits the placebo effect, i swear... |
| 08:06.20 | wols | !doesn't work |
| 08:06.20 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>. |
| 08:06.25 | m0usep0t4t0 | zcat[1]: GRUB, I think |
| 08:06.29 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: its a hardware standard like ehci for usb - many hardware producers can implement it |
| 08:06.43 | zcat[1] | I had to do this, can't remember precisely how but you can boot the normal system from hte live CD and then install packages, etc. I kinda somehow removes _all_ the kernels... |
| 08:06.45 | nsadmin | yeah, it seems you don't need it |
| 08:07.44 | nsadmin | the 24 bits available on dvds is WORTHLESS if the converters are noisy on 16 bits |
| 08:07.45 | zcat[1] | When I break a system I usually make a really good job of it. |
| 08:07.54 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: and ssi ( super cheap sound interface ) would be bad for marketing, i guess |
| 08:08.03 | m0usep0t4t0 | wols: When I tried those commands first it gave me errors about 'chroot' & then grub-install complained about no entry in 'etc/fstab' & /etc/mtab' |
| 08:08.35 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: meh |
| 08:08.50 | m0usep0t4t0 | zcat[1]: Tell me about it, all I wanted to do was fix GRUB, but managedto wipe /boot |
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| 08:09.24 | wols | !tell m0usep0t4t0 about errors |
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| 08:09.45 | zcat[1] | m0usep0t4t0: so is there an entry for your /boot partition in /etc/fstab now? |
| 08:09.58 | lk | Hi all. I unmounted (or thought I did) and unplugged a SATA drive, but it's still showing up in /dev. Any way to get rid of that? |
| 08:10.09 | lk | I'm trying to plug in a USB drive now, but it won't show in /dev. |
| 08:10.25 | SerajewelKS | lk: does your controller support hot-swapping? does the corresponding linux driver support hot-swapping? |
| 08:10.30 | m0usep0t4t0 | wols: Thanks! I am not at my machine right now. Typing from a cafe |
| 08:11.00 | lk | SerajewelKS, I believe so. I've done this before, but for some reason this last time something went wrong. |
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| 08:11.09 | SerajewelKS | lk: for the usb drive, check dmesg and see if there's anything interesting about the drive in the last few lines about the usb drive |
| 08:11.14 | wols | boot your machine with the debian installer in rescue mode, use it to come here |
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| 08:12.11 | SerajewelKS | also, i'm redundant and repetitive and ... |
| 08:12.20 | uncmar | ok, looks like I will reinstall lenny. :/ |
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| 08:12.52 | nsadmin | SerajewelKS: when you're that way, does it tend to happen again and again? |
| 08:13.49 | uncmar | bbl |
| 08:14.07 | lk | SerajewelKS, dmesg indicates it's trying to address the USB drive as /dev/sdc, which is the letter of the drive that won't disappear: http://lk.pastebin.com/NwpgvkPc |
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| 08:15.41 | lk | SerajewelKS, "mount: /dev/sdc1 is not a valid block device" ... weird, I tried mounting /dev/sdc (instead of c1) and it mounted? wth |
| 08:16.16 | lk | ... and all the data is there as well. |
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| 08:17.05 | ryanhaigh | hi all, im trying to work out how to remove a file association on my new lenny install |
| 08:17.41 | ryanhaigh | i installed decibel-audio-player and there was an old bug in the .desktop entry which means it tried to open any executable files |
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| 08:18.35 | ryanhaigh | i have installed a newer version which doesn't have this problem (and some other things i like) and confirmed that the .desktop entry no longer references application/x-executable but still my system tries to open these file with decibel |
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| 08:19.13 | lk | ryanhaigh, did you purge the old player? |
| 08:19.20 | ryanhaigh | mimeopen -a /bin/ed still shows decibel as the only option to open the file |
| 08:19.42 | ryanhaigh | no, didn't think to do that, will try now |
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| 08:24.12 | lk | ryanhaigh, did that help at all? |
| 08:24.14 | ryanhaigh | ok mimeopen is now reporting no applications found, however thunar still has it as the default |
| 08:24.25 | ryanhaigh | i haven't reinstalled decibel yet either |
| 08:24.58 | ryanhaigh | there are no processes called thunar when i close the window, so i guess there must be a cache somewhere? |
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| 08:25.56 | ryanhaigh | actually its no longer in the list of available apps if i run thunar under another account either |
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| 08:27.45 | ryanhaigh | i will see if i can find any config files in ~/ and maybe logging out and back in |
| 08:27.50 | sourabh | one of the files in my ext3 partition shows no information even after doing ls -lh |
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| 08:28.34 | sourabh | ls -lh does shows the directory entry for the file |
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| 08:29.00 | sourabh | but ls -lh file says No: such file or directory |
| 08:29.10 | sourabh | how to remove this file |
| 08:29.27 | lk | sourabh, try ls -a |
| 08:29.31 | sourabh | even rm -f file says no such file or directory |
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| 08:29.56 | lk | Is that the only file in the directory? |
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| 08:30.14 | sourabh | no |
| 08:30.23 | \amethyst | sourabh: are you sure there is no whitespace in the filename, and that the characters are all what you think they are and not unicode lookalikes? What if you try using a wildcard? |
| 08:30.38 | sourabh | but it has dark shadow in the gnome-terminal |
| 08:30.46 | nsadmin | sourabh, : what directory are you in |
| 08:30.49 | \amethyst | dark shadow? |
| 08:31.02 | lk | Got a screenshot? |
| 08:31.12 | sourabh | no |
| 08:31.19 | sourabh | let me explain |
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| 08:31.35 | sourabh | output is |
| 08:31.37 | sourabh | ?--------- ? ? ? ? ? imtfw1-relay-bin.003522 |
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| 08:31.41 | \amethyst | oh |
| 08:31.45 | sourabh | the ls -lh output |
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| 08:31.52 | \amethyst | that's filesystem corruption |
| 08:31.56 | sourabh | ok |
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| 08:32.05 | sourabh | then how do i remove this file |
| 08:32.08 | \amethyst | is this on your root filesystem? |
| 08:32.17 | sourabh | not its /var |
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| 08:32.34 | nsadmin | you may have to check the fs |
| 08:32.44 | nsadmin | you may have to restore from your backup |
| 08:32.45 | sourabh | its ext3 |
| 08:32.55 | \amethyst | sourabh: go into single user mode, umount /var, then fsck -f /dev/blah |
| 08:33.03 | sourabh | ok |
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| 08:33.14 | sourabh | is there any option to remove this file |
| 08:33.27 | sourabh | without moving to single user mode |
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| 08:33.32 | \amethyst | probably only with fsck or debugfs |
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| 08:33.42 | sourabh | ok |
| 08:33.47 | nsadmin | understand the point: your filesystem might be severely damaged |
| 08:33.53 | sourabh | yes |
| 08:34.18 | sourabh | that file was in use when my machine abruptly got down |
| 08:34.21 | nsadmin | if it is, removing one file isn't likely to help |
| 08:34.34 | sourabh | ok |
| 08:34.43 | sourabh | but is there a way |
| 08:34.45 | nsadmin | you might have to reinstall |
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| 08:35.17 | sourabh | ok |
| 08:35.26 | nsadmin | no way of telling until the filesystem is repaired or replaced |
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| 08:35.38 | nsadmin | in fact, |
| 08:35.51 | nsadmin | trying to do any file operations now could damage it further |
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| 08:36.02 | sourabh | ok |
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| 08:36.42 | nsadmin | having spelled out most of the doomsday scenarios... |
| 08:36.55 | nsadmin | what's the machine used for? |
| 08:37.14 | sourabh | thats the database replication file |
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| 08:37.49 | nsadmin | so, one of the roles of the machine is to be a database server? |
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| 08:38.00 | sourabh | yeah |
| 08:38.12 | sourabh | its slave mysql server |
| 08:38.17 | nsadmin | ok |
| 08:38.21 | nsadmin | recurses in |
| 08:38.32 | nsadmin | what is the purpose of the db? |
| 08:38.46 | sourabh | my replication stuck at this file |
| 08:39.08 | sourabh | whenever i try to start slave it says that file not found |
| 08:39.15 | sourabh | that is the Relay_Log file |
| 08:39.21 | nsadmin | and do you have a dump of the entire database that's reasonably recent |
| 08:39.42 | sourabh | i have the master mysql server |
| 08:39.53 | sourabh | i have the previous bin_logs |
| 08:39.56 | nsadmin | replication... so, theres another machine? |
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| 08:40.15 | sourabh | using which i can restore the database |
| 08:40.23 | nsadmin | I would like to suggest that you create a dump of the db on the working server now |
| 08:40.46 | sourabh | the slave or the master one ? |
| 08:40.49 | nsadmin | what is the purpose of the db on the master? |
| 08:40.54 | nsadmin | the one that's working |
| 08:41.07 | \amethyst | but don't overwrite your existing dumps |
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| 08:41.26 | sourabh | its gives feed to my firewall |
| 08:41.27 | \amethyst | since, depending on your replication setup, it's possible the slave corruption has spread to the master |
| 08:41.29 | nsadmin | right, do NOT get rid of other dump files, or overwrite them |
| 08:41.47 | sourabh | yeah i know |
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| 08:42.02 | nsadmin | /me suspects suspects double double talk talk |
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| 08:42.44 | \amethyst | zsh 4.3.10 (i686-pc-linux-gnu) on Debian here |
| 08:42.45 | \amethyst | doh |
| 08:42.58 | nsadmin | is this some kind of work server? |
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| 08:43.07 | ryanhaigh | lk: thanks for your help, the purge seemed to work |
| 08:43.12 | sourabh | yeah UTM |
| 08:43.27 | sourabh | Unified Threat Management system |
| 08:43.50 | sourabh | i have made two replicas |
| 08:43.55 | nsadmin | so it manages to threaten unified systems? |
| 08:44.00 | nsadmin | just kidding |
| 08:44.15 | sourabh | it just does the reverse |
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| 08:45.08 | sourabh | its a firewall , proxy, vpn , bandwidth manager, ...... |
| 08:45.21 | schatan | can i do a ln -s on a http link |
| 08:45.27 | nsadmin | and replication server too |
| 08:45.29 | lk | ryanhaigh, how do you like decibel, btw? In windows I really liked fubar, but I haven't seen a direct equivalent for linux so far. |
| 08:45.36 | sourabh | yes |
| 08:45.51 | schatan | sourabh, yes for me? |
| 08:46.12 | nsadmin | ok, here's what I think you could try |
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| 08:46.26 | nsadmin | since you have a backup of the database... |
| 08:46.40 | nsadmin | you could wipe and reinstall the whole box, that's one choice |
| 08:46.52 | sourabh | i will never do that |
| 08:47.01 | sourabh | its a production machine |
| 08:47.05 | sourabh | still working |
| 08:47.07 | nsadmin | perhaps this choice is the last line of defense |
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| 08:47.21 | sourabh | only issue is that replication stops |
| 08:47.27 | nsadmin | but it's a choice, and you have to recognize that it exists |
| 08:47.28 | ryanhaigh | lk: i love it, my music collection is organised in my filesystem, a lot of the tags are inconsistent or missing and i don't have the time to fix all that. decibel lets me view my collection the way that i have organised it without the additional work |
| 08:47.47 | sourabh | i can work around |
| 08:48.00 | sourabh | i just want to remove this file. |
| 08:48.03 | nsadmin | do you have other machines? |
| 08:48.09 | sourabh | yes |
| 08:48.13 | nsadmin | that are not in service? |
| 08:48.20 | sourabh | yes |
| 08:48.34 | nsadmin | ok, so you automatically have a better choice... |
| 08:48.49 | sourabh | ok |
| 08:48.51 | nsadmin | you can build a new installation onto one of these spare machines |
| 08:49.04 | ryanhaigh | lk: the only thing its missing for me is blacklisting, but the program is written in python so when i get a chance im going to see if i can add that |
| 08:49.07 | nsadmin | it's still last-lineish |
| 08:49.30 | sourabh | i can run fsck but the question is can i remove this file |
| 08:49.31 | nsadmin | but it's obviously less destructive |
| 08:49.36 | sourabh | ok |
| 08:49.38 | ryanhaigh | lk: oh and the author actually took one of my suggestions for improvement |
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| 08:50.12 | ryanhaigh | i really miss it when on windows, does fubar enable this sort of use case? |
| 08:50.16 | nsadmin | maybe; I don't have any idea how damaged your filesystem is |
| 08:50.32 | sourabh | ok |
| 08:50.54 | sourabh | is there a command to remove these corrupt files |
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| 08:51.40 | engrish_man | hi ... how can i change the system keymap layout |
| 08:51.54 | engrish_man | anybody awake :o? |
| 08:52.04 | xiangfu | engrish_man, use "loadkeys" or "xmodmap" |
| 08:52.05 | nsadmin | first try fixing the filesystem... note also that you can image the supposedly damaged /var |
| 08:52.18 | engrish_man | xiangfu: thx |
| 08:52.21 | sourabh | ok |
| 08:52.34 | xiangfu | for example: xmodmap: you need write a file name ".xmodmap" in home folder. |
| 08:52.50 | m0usep0t4t0 | Rephrasing my question, can I rebuild '/boot' partition without reinstalling entire OS? |
| 08:53.10 | xiangfu | engrish_man, xmodmap for the X(GUI). loadkeys is for the command line console. |
| 08:53.50 | engrish_man | im just on the terminal... i havent installed anything yet ... but i got wrong on the install (keymap section) |
| 08:53.51 | xiangfu | m0usep0t4t0, you mean re-install "grub" ?? |
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| 08:54.57 | xiangfu | engrish_man, ok. then "loadkeys" is much better :-) for more info: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Keyboard-and-Console-HOWTO-15.html |
| 08:55.09 | engrish_man | xiangfu: thx! |
| 08:55.25 | m0usep0t4t0 | xiangfu: No, I mean reinstall/rebuild boot partition, I managed to wipe it out |
| 08:55.29 | xiangfu | engrish_man, you are welcome :-) |
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| 09:00.05 | wols | m0usep0t4t0: and I told you before: yes you can. the answer won't change |
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| 09:01.09 | m0usep0t4t0 | wols: Would you be kind enough to tell me how? I can't go online from that machine |
| 09:01.48 | wols | not unless you answer the earlier questions on the errors |
| 09:02.15 | wols | the short answer is: you reinstall your grub and kernel package(s) |
| 09:03.18 | nsadmin | awesome... my web app is almost ready and I have at least a month and a half before it has to be rock solid :) |
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| 09:05.42 | StuckMojo | any ideas on when squeeze is looking to release? |
| 09:06.04 | StuckMojo | they were aiming to freeze in march, but weren't able to |
| 09:06.14 | StuckMojo | after a freeze, how long till release, typically? |
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| 09:06.42 | nsadmin | depends on what major systems are undergoing major under-the-hood overhauls |
| 09:06.52 | StuckMojo | http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2010/02/msg00002.html |
| 09:07.20 | StuckMojo | i'm getting the feeling it's not far off. like a few months |
| 09:07.43 | StuckMojo | like in the fall or something |
| 09:07.45 | nsadmin | one example of an under-the-hood change... the move from libc4 to libc5, which involved a change in the file format of executables |
| 09:07.57 | StuckMojo | yeah, always a PITA |
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| 09:09.48 | nsadmin | right now the most major things seem to be new kernels, new udevs made necessary by changes in options built into the kernels, kde 3 vs kde4 |
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| 09:10.36 | nsadmin | dunno about gnome; I don't presently use it (and this is NOT because I don't like it or something) |
| 09:10.54 | nsadmin | eneas /msg alis help |
| 09:11.14 | StuckMojo | i run openbox myself |
| 09:11.29 | StuckMojo | i hop into gnome now and then to check it out, play with the eye candy and such |
| 09:12.34 | wavygravy27 | hello I have a qustion regarding reliable dvd media for backing up college work. My spindle of Taycho Yuden is udder **** as in about one in ten disks are bad |
| 09:12.35 | nsadmin | the gnome devs still pretty anti-c++? |
| 09:12.45 | StuckMojo | nsadmin: last i knew |
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| 09:13.08 | StuckMojo | but that was a while back. i've heard nothing of them chaging from straight C |
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| 09:13.31 | nsadmin | wavygravy27, dvd to backup your college work? it's really that big? |
| 09:13.53 | wavygravy27 | no I could get away with cds too |
| 09:14.00 | sauvin | What do you want to make a bet wavygravy27 is a student filmmaker? :D |
| 09:14.14 | StuckMojo | wavygravy27: how about using a couple flash drives? |
| 09:14.19 | nsadmin | that would make dvds necessary |
| 09:14.23 | StuckMojo | couple == multiple copies |
| 09:14.42 | StuckMojo | cheap. smaller. editable |
| 09:14.56 | StuckMojo | along with maybe one of those online backup services |
| 09:15.03 | StuckMojo | ubuntu gives you 2G now free IIRC |
| 09:15.26 | wavygravy27 | Ithe usb ironkey is a thought online backups make me nervous as far as security |
| 09:15.29 | nsadmin | in exchange for what? |
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| 09:16.01 | nsadmin | well you want to protect your work from other students while you're in college |
| 09:16.12 | wavygravy27 | Ive got a windows 2000 disk that still has no read errors after about thirteen years or so |
| 09:16.36 | wols | wavygravy27: maybe you bought counterfeit DVDs? there is no "Taycho Yuden" manufacturer, at least not a brand name of that kind. and flash is not really a backup medium |
| 09:16.59 | wavygravy27 | wols could very well explain the high error ate |
| 09:17.02 | wols | especially not stuff like ironkey when truecrypt can it do as good for less money |
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| 09:17.10 | wols | wavygravy27: I already did |
| 09:17.20 | nsadmin | flash isn't great for backup because it has weird wear-and-tear properties when you write them |
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| 09:17.41 | nsadmin | tape is wayy too expensive |
| 09:18.08 | wavygravy27 | looks like were back to cd/dvd again then |
| 09:18.14 | nsadmin | which leave cds, dvd, external hds (which have too many moving parts, not so good either) |
| 09:18.28 | jelly | best not to backup at all! |
| 09:18.36 | wavygravy27 | lol jelly |
| 09:19.03 | llutz | cd/dvds aren't a good choice for longtime-archivation |
| 09:19.15 | nsadmin | then you're not surprised to lose everything when the next flood hits :) |
| 09:19.33 | wavygravy27 | my thoughts exactly nsadmin |
| 09:19.37 | jelly | nsadmin: I have a raid1 nas for backups... when I had a single disk, it naturally died |
| 09:19.45 | wols | jelly: in #debian, we prefer the Linus(tm) method of backup of course |
| 09:20.06 | nsadmin | what, copy it all to github? |
| 09:20.22 | wavygravy27 | use dd to copy to another device |
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| 09:20.49 | nsadmin | I've never seen merit in that choice, altho it can work |
| 09:21.07 | wols | nsadmin: "Only wimps use tape backup: real men just upload their important stuff on ftp, and let the rest of the world mirror it" |
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| 09:21.10 | wavygravy27 | dd like assembly is actually not as painful as I thought it was before I used it ( then again I wouldnt use this as my third choice ) |
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| 09:21.37 | doomster | Hi! |
| 09:21.49 | wavygravy27 | hi doomster welcome |
| 09:21.58 | lk | ryanhaigh, wow, that's quite impressive. I'll have to look into this app when I get a chance =) |
| 09:22.13 | wavygravy27 | how are you this morning ( 521 am here ) |
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| 09:41.21 | Jaleks | how was again the name name of the program where i can connect to a running console command (e.g. started via ssh) to see the output? |
| 09:41.51 | ribasushi | is there a setting that will alow debian to continue booting if one of the non-root partitions fails its fsck? |
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| 09:43.30 | Jaleks | ribasushi: did you try Ctrl+D ? |
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| 09:43.54 | ribasushi | Jaleks: I am asking can the ctrl/d prompt be *avoided* |
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| 09:45.53 | StuckMojo | i'm beginning to regret having installed apt-listbugs |
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| 09:47.30 | nsadmin | why? too many bugs? :) |
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| 09:48.22 | nsadmin | Jaleks: screen? |
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| 09:50.06 | themill | StuckMojo: you could disable the hook for it in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d until the bts is happy again |
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| 09:55.30 | Jaleks | not exactly, afaik there should be something similar which you don't ahve to start first, but can connect to a running job later - what screen can not, i think |
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| 09:56.13 | nsadmin | right, that's true... but I don't know what that would be |
| 09:56.46 | nsadmin | that was always my problem... starting somethign but forgetting to run screen |
| 09:57.07 | azeem_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:57.08 | azeem_ | bah |
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| 09:59.15 | Jaleks | :-/ anything exists for that, already used it on another box but can'T recall... |
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| 10:00.41 | nsadmin | the only thing I knew that could connect to an existing process was gdb, for the purpose of debugging it |
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| 10:00.52 | poisonbit | and strace can |
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| 10:01.04 | poisonbit | strace -p $pid |
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| 10:01.30 | nsadmin | hmm, that's actually handy... can it detach too? |
| 10:01.30 | StuckMojo | themill: no i mean i think i was happier when i was blissfully ignorant ;) |
| 10:01.43 | themill | ahh :) |
| 10:01.45 | StuckMojo | nsadmin: yeah i didn't know that |
| 10:02.05 | poisonbit | Ctrl + c should detach strace |
| 10:02.11 | poisonbit | and kill the process |
| 10:02.13 | poisonbit | :) |
| 10:02.18 | nsadmin | and kill it? |
| 10:02.19 | StuckMojo | nsadmin: yeah |
| 10:02.21 | nsadmin | hmm. |
| 10:02.22 | StuckMojo | no |
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| 10:02.33 | StuckMojo | time by a keyboard interrupt signal (CTRL-C). strace will respond by detaching itself from the traced process(es) leaving it (them) to continue running. |
| 10:02.37 | nsadmin | you mean kill the strace? or kill what it |
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| 10:02.42 | nsadmin | s attching to |
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| 10:02.49 | General_Jung | are there any rt kernel package available |
| 10:02.54 | StuckMojo | man strace search for /-p pid |
| 10:03.11 | nsadmin | ok, I'll take a look next time I need it |
| 10:03.12 | poisonbit | a sorry, launching from strace /strace proframname) will kill the proc, but ataching detaching no |
| 10:03.14 | brammat0r | why "fusermount -u ~/afuse/user@host/" borks with "fusermount: bad mount point /home/user/afuse/user@host/: Permission denied"? sshfs, afuse has been started by same user. |
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| 10:03.58 | nsadmin | General_Jung no, I don't think so... nothing in debian officially anyway |
| 10:04.16 | General_Jung | already compiled from a serous dev |
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| 10:04.26 | uncmar | I plan to do a fresh install of squeeze. |
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| 10:04.34 | General_Jung | don´t have to be offical because it isn´t a security root |
| 10:04.50 | uncmar | what is the fastest way to get started? |
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| 10:05.10 | nsadmin | uncmar: so you don't want to upgrade from a fresh lenny? |
| 10:05.14 | poisonbit | uncmar, the installation manual if you want to know what you do |
| 10:05.47 | uncmar | My lenny CD is a netinstall. |
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| 10:06.35 | nsadmin | you could install the base only, from the lenny cd, then upgrade only that, then go from there |
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| 10:07.01 | poisonbit | or get a squeeze CD |
| 10:07.13 | nsadmin | before "go from there" you could test to see if it works satisfactorally with your hardware |
| 10:07.32 | zrin | is it possible to mount a block device so that it appears as one big flat file? |
| 10:07.38 | greenmang0 | hi friends... i have a fresh installation of apache2 on debian lenny.... but not able to view http://192.168.1.100 on any machine on LAN... though i am able to ping webserver system what can be the possible problem? |
| 10:07.57 | zrin | ... would be "simplest file system" |
| 10:07.57 | wols | !tell greenmang0 about errors |
| 10:07.59 | nsadmin | zrin: the block device is already that file |
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| 10:08.39 | greenmang0 | wols: i am not getting any error either in logs or anywhere.. i just get request timed out on browser |
| 10:08.40 | zrin | nsadmin: I know, but vmware server 2 has issues accepting it as such, so I'm looking for a way to trick it |
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| 10:08.53 | poisonbit | greenmang0, in which ips is listening apache |
| 10:08.54 | wols | greenmang0: is your apache listening? |
| 10:09.01 | nsadmin | not sure how to advise you there, on vmware |
| 10:09.40 | uncmar | nsadmin: how would I do a base install? |
| 10:09.44 | greenmang0 | wols: poisonbit: it's a fresh installation... and i have NameVirtualHost *:80 in ports.conf.. so as far as i know... apache must listen on all interfaces |
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| 10:10.02 | nsadmin | uncmar: you can do that by failing to configure the network |
| 10:10.22 | uncmar | nsadmin: ok, I'll reboot and start that. |
| 10:10.25 | nsadmin | otherwise the base would come from the net |
| 10:10.35 | greenmang0 | wols: poisonbit: netstat -plantu | grep 80 gives me --> tcp6 0 0 :::80 :::* LISTEN 32528/apache2 |
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| 10:11.00 | uncmar | greenmang0: what does http://localhost/ give you? |
| 10:11.12 | nsadmin | uncmar: save your /etc/network/interfaces |
| 10:11.22 | nsadmin | uncmar: come here with another computer |
| 10:11.30 | greenmang0 | uncmar: it works |
| 10:11.43 | uncmar | nsadmin: they are dhcp and I already saved both /home and /etc |
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| 10:13.20 | nsadmin | you will probably need /home, you will probably not need /etc but it's good you saved it just incase you need a setting or two |
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| 10:14.36 | nsadmin | the only other thing is you'll need to know which net card driver |
| 10:14.45 | nsadmin | unless the install autodetects that |
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| 10:15.19 | poisonbit | greenmang0, in the apache machine wget -O /dev/null http://that_ip works? |
| 10:15.20 | greenmang0 | wols: any hint for me?? |
| 10:15.24 | uncmar | It hasn't had a problem with the wired nic. |
| 10:16.19 | wols | greenmang0:telnet to port 80? did you change _any_ line in /etc/apache2/ after config? |
| 10:16.20 | greenmang0 | poisonbit: yes |
| 10:16.25 | nsadmin | but if you say "leave net unconfigured" so you can install base from the cd, it might not autodetect net cards... so, good to know which it is. "lspci -nn > lspcinn.txt" and have that handy to pastebin |
| 10:16.52 | unkmar | nsadmin: I pulled the wireless. it is pcmcia, so I won't have to worry about that. |
| 10:16.59 | poisonbit | greenmang0, iptables -L -n is all in ACCEPT ? |
| 10:17.27 | poisonbit | and ddo yoy have the apropiate network mask in the apache machine ? |
| 10:17.28 | unkmar | oh, you mean what drivers I might need. |
| 10:17.37 | greenmang0 | poisonbit: yes... all are accept |
| 10:17.45 | greenmang0 | wols: oh.. this telnet to 80 isn't working |
| 10:17.50 | poisonbit | I've seen ping working but tcp not by wrong network masks |
| 10:18.00 | nsadmin | yeah, but which the kernel is likely to have... you just need to know the names of the drivers so you can go on from there |
| 10:18.09 | greenmang0 | poisonbit: ok.. let me have a look at it |
| 10:18.51 | unkmar | nsadmin: not a problem. 3c905C. Only one of the most common chipsets. |
| 10:18.57 | greenmang0 | poisonbit: netmask is proper... telnet 192.168.1.100 80 isn't working.. i just get "trying 192.168.1.100" |
| 10:19.17 | nsadmin | oh, that's a wired cardbus? |
| 10:19.24 | nsadmin | very very common, yes |
| 10:19.34 | poisonbit | greenmang0, are clients and server in the same subnet? or there are between firewalls ? |
| 10:19.47 | unkmar | nsadmin: yeah, like I said. reducing my problems for setup. work on the hardstuff after started. |
| 10:19.53 | unkmar | switching to PDA soon. |
| 10:19.59 | greenmang0 | poisonbit: no firewall... basic simple network |
| 10:20.12 | nsadmin | is uncmar the pda? or unkmar? |
| 10:21.11 | poisonbit | greenmang0, locally works, remote doesn't, no iptebles rules, fresh install, apache running and listening, telnet to 80 remotely does not work, locally works, you have the right network mask and gateway... It sounds like a network issue |
| 10:21.34 | poisonbit | cords, switchs, i don't know |
| 10:22.06 | poisonbit | ping work from nother machines, trafic to tcp/80 no |
| 10:22.09 | greenmang0 | poisonbit: ok... |
| 10:22.26 | poisonbit | I've only see that with firewall rules, or wrong network masks/gateways/routes |
| 10:22.27 | greenmang0 | poisonbit: and ping also works... |
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| 10:23.59 | poisonbit | greenmang0, I don't know how "fresh" is your install (see your .bash_history), but a fresh debian install + apache + proper network interfaces, works as a charm |
| 10:24.37 | greenmang0 | poisonbit: yeah... my experience so far with above setup is also the same ... :) |
| 10:25.08 | poisonbit | can acces other ports ? |
| 10:25.14 | poisonbit | ssh works from other machines ? |
| 10:25.38 | greenmang0 | poisonbit: yeah |
| 10:25.47 | poisonbit | weird |
| 10:26.10 | poisonbit | do you get traffic in the port 80 ? |
| 10:26.30 | poisonbit | being eth0: tcpdump -n -i eth0 port 80 |
| 10:27.25 | poisonbit | do the clients has a web proxy configured in the browsers? |
| 10:28.24 | greenmang0 | poisonbit: http://paste.debian.net/73160/ |
| 10:28.35 | greenmang0 | poisonbit: no proxy |
| 10:28.49 | poisonbit | ok, no network issue |
| 10:29.48 | poisonbit | aptitude purge apache2 && aptitude install apache2 ? |
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| 10:30.05 | poisonbit | I don't know, no network issue, a fresh apache should work |
| 10:30.32 | greenmang0 | poisonbit: tried that already |
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| 10:32.58 | poisonbit | have you touch apache2 configuration ? after a purge/install and not touching nothing it does not work? |
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| 10:33.49 | poisonbit | If B) I can't help you more, see the debian bug tracker o find someone more smart then I that can debug that |
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| 10:34.29 | greenmang0 | poisonbit: :) |
| 10:34.32 | poisonbit | :) |
| 10:34.47 | poisonbit | if A)... what do you edited? |
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| 10:35.45 | greenmang0 | poisonbit: i didn't edit anything... |
| 10:35.52 | poisonbit | If you want to paste the whole apache config, you can install libconfig-general-perl and try this: http://poisonbit.wordpress.com/2010/02/04/parsing-all-apache2-configuration-in-0-041seconds/ |
| 10:36.39 | poisonbit | o weird, If a fresh apache, does not work on a machine that is getting request in the same eth in the 80 port... sorry.. it is hardder than my brain |
| 10:37.02 | poisonbit | we have check all posible issues I've seen before |
| 10:37.36 | poisonbit | the proccess is running and wget http://taht_ip works locally |
| 10:37.43 | poisonbit | it's really weird :) |
| 10:37.56 | greenmang0 | poisonbit: hmm |
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| 10:42.54 | greenmang0 | poisonbit: parsing took 0.089 seconds... :) |
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| 10:43.39 | poisonbit | anyway, don't look at config if it's a fresh install and you didn't edited the config |
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| 10:44.43 | poisonbit | if you purge apache and install lighttpd it works ? |
| 10:45.46 | greenmang0 | poisonbit: i will have to check |
| 10:46.55 | poisonbit | good luck, your problem beyond what I know |
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| 10:50.30 | greenmang0 | poisonbit: no.. it doesn't work with lighty as well....neither telnet.... thanks for your help btw... :) |
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| 10:57.35 | sourabh | nsadmin, thanks my database replication is ok now |
| 10:58.35 | unkmar | nsadmin: no, neither is pda. the pda connected to another machine that stays online. |
| 10:58.40 | unkmar | which is unkmar. :P |
| 10:59.59 | underdev | hi! I am contributing to a peice of software that includes bindings to GTK+. The version used by lenny is older than the version that is supported by the latest release of the software. My question: does anyone have a general idea how long lenny will use it's current version of gnome/gtk? If an update is immenent, i'll just wait for lenny to catch up. If lenny is going to be using it's version of gtk+ for a while, i'll accomidate. |
| 11:00.13 | unkmar | I gave up on using the PDA and fired up my gf's PC. |
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| 11:01.24 | will | underdev: Lenny is stable and no major change will appear soon |
| 11:01.37 | underdev | will, ty! |
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| 11:02.40 | nsadmin | sourabh: good! glad to hear it |
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| 11:04.03 | nsadmin | underdev you need to somehow get the version that everyone else uses for your project |
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| 11:04.51 | symtab | hello |
| 11:04.56 | symtab | debian 5.0.4 is stable? |
| 11:04.59 | symtab | or testing? |
| 11:05.05 | nsadmin | stable. |
| 11:05.07 | symtab | oki |
| 11:05.08 | symtab | thanks |
| 11:05.11 | nsadmin | squeez is testing |
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| 11:09.29 | greenmang0 | poisonbit: i found that my apache works on port 81 and not 80... |
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| 11:10.29 | poisonbit | yes, we see before that ssh on 22 works |
| 11:10.31 | greenmang0 | poisonbit: the problem is with port 80 and not with apache |
| 11:10.46 | greenmang0 | poisonbit: i will have to check |
| 11:11.24 | poisonbit | I don't know where problem is, you said no iptables rules, tcpdump sees incoming traffic in 80, locally port 80 on that ip works... |
| 11:11.54 | greenmang0 | poisonbit: yeah... wierd |
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| 11:12.45 | poisonbit | and now I'm debbuging a tomcat problem and I can not be to much here, sorry |
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| 11:12.51 | unkmar | greenmang0: isp's router? |
| 11:13.03 | courpse | Wonder if i should install squeeze, should cure the problems of nothing being in the repos for anything in the last couple years/ |
| 11:13.06 | greenmang0 | unkmar: nope... LAN |
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| 11:13.25 | abrotman | greenmang0: what doesn't work ? |
| 11:13.28 | unkmar | greenmang0: you're lan use the ISP's router? |
| 11:14.07 | greenmang0 | unkmar: yes |
| 11:14.27 | unkmar | greenmang0: comcast? |
| 11:14.52 | greenmang0 | abrotman: telnet to port 80 doesn't work even though netstat shows apache is listening on 80 |
| 11:14.57 | greenmang0 | unkmar: zyxel |
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| 11:15.12 | abrotman | greenmang0: are you sure it's apache? or just something? |
| 11:15.28 | greenmang0 | abrotman: telnet to 80 *remotely* doesn't work |
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| 11:15.51 | greenmang0 | abrotman: yes... netstat shows apache |
| 11:15.58 | SerajewelKS | isp blocking it? |
| 11:15.58 | unkmar | greenmang0: systemx has same problem. I can capture the port and forward it to 8000. or you can listen on port 8000. but comcast simply doesn't allow it. |
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| 11:16.10 | unkmar | greenmang0: and they will claim that they do. |
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| 11:16.22 | SerajewelKS | unkmar: you mean your local comcast doesn't allow it |
| 11:16.41 | SerajewelKS | unkmar: i run a service on port 80 on comcast residential and i can reach it remotely just fine |
| 11:16.44 | greenmang0 | unkmar: i have one more apache setup on debian lenny and it works |
| 11:16.50 | unkmar | SerajewelKS: I don't have comcast. A friend of mine does. it doesn't allow him to host on port 80. |
| 11:16.52 | greenmang0 | unkmar: on same network |
| 11:17.13 | SerajewelKS | unkmar: yes, my wife's parents have some ridiculous blocking too and they are in the same state (1.4 hours away) |
| 11:17.33 | SerajewelKS | unkmar: that kind of shit is usually up to your local ISP |
| 11:17.46 | SerajewelKS | unkmar: outgoing cisco VPN traffic is, however, blocked |
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| 11:18.25 | SerajewelKS | since i guess that's a "business" thing and not a "residential" thing and therefore they feel justified in asking me for another $50 so i can work from home. (thankfully my workplace runs the vpn service on two ports...) |
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| 11:19.34 | SerajewelKS | at any rate, the lesson here seems to be that comcast sucks ass :) |
| 11:19.41 | abrotman | duh |
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| 11:20.11 | abrotman | greenmang0: wait, to an external IP ? |
| 11:20.18 | SerajewelKS | AT&T is slower but they have no port restrictions at all AFAICT. (except outbound port 25, and you can opt-out of that block pretty easily.) |
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| 11:20.55 | Aboood99 | Hi |
| 11:21.10 | poisonbit | greenmang0, well problem was started as 192.168 and "simple network", I supossed that 192.168. was managed by a a simple NAT to internet and a switch, If there is another root than you in that network (your ISP managing your router) talk with him, you know debian fresh install works :) |
| 11:21.29 | poisonbit | greenmang0, also a simple switch will take the same subnet without pass to the router |
| 11:21.43 | ThinkRob | DLExtreme FTW. Static IPs, allow port 25 inbound/outbound (provided you agree to let them vuln-scan your mail server) and cheaper than AT&T in my area. |
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| 11:22.03 | ThinkRob | *DSLExtreme |
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| 11:22.26 | SerajewelKS | ThinkRob: my apartment complex has a contract with comcast that only comcast can service lines. and guess whether or not they are going to upgrade the phone lines so AT&T can compete? |
| 11:22.31 | unkmar | greenmang0: one more question. |
| 11:22.50 | unkmar | greenmang0: is the server set dhcp? |
| 11:22.56 | ThinkRob | SerajewelKS: Wait... you mean there's no possibility for DSL at all? Wow. Awesome. |
| 11:23.07 | SerajewelKS | ThinkRob: not for at least another six years |
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| 11:23.47 | ThinkRob | SerajewelKS: Looks like you need to get a WRT54GS, throw TomatoVPN on there and start directing all inbound/outbound traffic through an OpenVPN server hosted on some cheapo VPS elsewhere. |
| 11:23.52 | SerajewelKS | ThinkRob: thankfully we are looking at moving within the next 12 months. my wife told her boss she'd work the summer, after that it's up in the air. |
| 11:23.57 | unkmar | greenmang0: or is did you specify your IP for the server at the server? |
| 11:24.13 | SerajewelKS | ThinkRob: i have no reason to. the only blocking comcast is doing over here is cisco vpn traffic. |
| 11:24.37 | ThinkRob | Sounds like that's a decent reason if you need to connect to a Cisco VPN. |
| 11:24.38 | SerajewelKS | ThinkRob: i have had no problems torrenting or talking to my postfix MTA (hosted on a VPS in Chicago) on port 25 |
| 11:24.38 | ThinkRob | :D |
| 11:24.48 | SerajewelKS | ThinkRob: right, but i don't |
| 11:24.49 | unkmar | greenmang0: some routers don't like static IP's |
| 11:24.58 | SerajewelKS | ThinkRob: at least not on the port comcast thinks i want to connect on ;) |
| 11:25.00 | poisonbit | unkmar, he is getting request in port 80 using tcpdump |
| 11:25.28 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: they don't block cisco? |
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| 11:25.34 | unkmar | poisonbit: so the data is being droped on its way out. |
| 11:25.37 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: they do, but they block it by port |
| 11:25.50 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: my workplace runs the service on two ports, the standard one and a nonstandard one for people like me |
| 11:26.01 | SerajewelKS | whose ISPs are douchebags |
| 11:26.08 | poisonbit | unkmar, don't know, we have beeen debugging the problem some minuttes ago, we checked _all_ normal things |
| 11:26.24 | SerajewelKS | that said, i have a full-root xen VPS, so it's not like i couldn't just tunnel the connection |
| 11:26.27 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: weird, we've used it (not for our VPN, but others) for employees that have comcast |
| 11:26.44 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: comcast's blocking policies seem to differ with each local ISP |
| 11:27.11 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: i cannot explain it. at my wife's parents' house, occasionally they can only connect out on port 80 and 443. i just plain won't be able to ssh some days. |
| 11:27.21 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: whereas at our apartment everything but cisco is wide open |
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| 11:27.53 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: i have not found anything consistent about traffic blocking between any two comcast branches |
| 11:28.12 | {g} | Hey People! How do I remove Trash and the home folder from the desktop? |
| 11:28.21 | SerajewelKS | it's like there is no corporate policy on traffic control at all |
| 11:29.09 | SerajewelKS | {g}: i'm not sure if you can through any configuration gui. maybe you can tinker in gconf? |
| 11:29.19 | SerajewelKS | {g}: it would most likely be under nautilus' settings in there |
| 11:29.34 | SerajewelKS | {g}: (try searching all of gconf for "trash") |
| 11:29.38 | {g} | SerajewelKS: bash: gconf: command not found |
| 11:29.49 | SerajewelKS | -_ |
| 11:29.50 | Eternal-xx | Hello How do i follow this http://wiki.debian.org/ath9k to get the drivers for my Atheros working if i can't connect to the net even on lan cable? |
| 11:30.04 | SerajewelKS | {g}: gconf is a database, not a program |
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| 11:30.21 | SerajewelKS | {g}: did you try to tab-complete gconf at all? |
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| 11:30.41 | unkmar | Eternal-xx: by downloading the required deb files to a CD or usb and put them in the needed location. |
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| 11:31.01 | unkmar | Eternal-xx: /var/apt/cache/ ???? I think. |
| 11:31.08 | Eternal-xx | unkmar: that does sound like a plan cheers |
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| 11:31.13 | {g} | SerajewelKS: ok, lets try gconf-editor... |
| 11:31.26 | beefcube | is samba broke on debian or something? //vmhost/backup_share /media/server_asset_backup smbfs owner,uid=ovb,gid=1000,username=smbguest,password=XXXX 0 0 |
| 11:31.26 | {g} | prefers config files over gui stuff |
| 11:31.46 | beefcube | but user ovb can't mount/unmount, or write to /media/server_asset_backup |
| 11:31.47 | SerajewelKS | Eternal-xx, unkmar: it would be easier to "dpkg -i" them then shove them in /var/cache/apt/archives |
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| 11:32.07 | unkmar | see, I got the location wrong. |
| 11:32.12 | beefcube | drwxr-xr-x 2 ovb ovb 0 2010-05-13 05:41 server_asset_backu |
| 11:32.14 | SerajewelKS | {g}: i think there is a gconf fuse filesystem :) |
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| 11:32.34 | SerajewelKS | unkmar: i do too, unless i check each time. (i did) |
| 11:32.39 | Eternal-xx | unkmar: ubuntu uses that setup |
| 11:33.03 | SerajewelKS | beefcube: the filesystem may have been unmounted |
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| 11:33.46 | SerajewelKS | beefcube: smbumount does not remove the entry from /etc/mtab, a bug which i've reported several times and has yet to be fixed in lenny |
| 11:34.03 | SerajewelKS | beefcube: if you are sure it's still mounted (check in /proc/mounts) then we can debug further |
| 11:35.28 | beefcube | SarajewlKS: thanks, //vmhost/backup_share /media/server_asset_backup cifs rw,mand,nosuid,nodev,unc=\\vmhost\backup_share,username=smbguest,uid=1000,gid=1000,posixpaths,acl,rsize=16384,wsize=57344 0 0 |
| 11:35.36 | beefcube | in /proc/mounts |
| 11:36.00 | SerajewelKS | beefcube: hrm, and 1000 is ovb's uid? |
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| 11:36.44 | SerajewelKS | beefcube: do the permissions on the files you want to modify seem as though ovb should be able to modify them? |
| 11:36.50 | beefcube | SarajewelKS: yes, i should also note that root can't write to the partition either |
| 11:37.03 | beefcube | yes to the first question |
| 11:37.11 | SerajewelKS | beefcube: ok. (technically it's not a partition, just FYI) |
| 11:37.23 | SerajewelKS | beefcube: what error does root receive? |
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| 11:38.21 | beefcube | projectserv:/media/server_asset_backup# touch test, touch: cannot touch `test': Permission denied |
| 11:39.03 | SerajewelKS | beefcube: then it sounds like smbguest doesn't have permission to do that on the other end |
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| 11:39.20 | SerajewelKS | beefcube: try what you want to do with "smbclient -U smbguest //vmhost/backup_share" |
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| 11:40.48 | beefcube | ah, i think were on to something: projectserv:/media/server_asset_backup# smbclient -U smbguest //vmhost/backup_share |
| 11:40.49 | beefcube | Enter smbguest's password: |
| 11:40.49 | beefcube | Domain=[OVB] OS=[Unix] Server=[Samba 3.4.7] |
| 11:40.49 | beefcube | Server not using user level security and no password supplied. |
| 11:40.49 | beefcube | Server requested LANMAN password (share-level security) but 'client lanman auth' is disabled |
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| 11:41.10 | beefcube | back |
| 11:41.18 | unkmar | amazing, My winXP works again. but my debian is even more broken. |
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| 11:42.39 | unkmar | mutiple attempts at a standard base install met with multiple failures. |
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| 11:43.54 | SerajewelKS | beefcube: yup. fix that. :) |
| 11:44.26 | SerajewelKS | beefcube: if it's samba-related, #samba will probably be a lot more helpful. they know a lot more wierd corner cases. |
| 11:44.35 | SerajewelKS | weird* |
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| 11:46.48 | obreiro | hello to everybody |
| 11:47.12 | ThinkRob | Hello. |
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| 11:48.16 | obreiro | few people are here |
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| 11:48.23 | obreiro | are they having lunch? xD |
| 11:48.30 | SlayerXP | i'm certainly not here. |
| 11:48.52 | obreiro | who know |
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| 11:49.18 | obreiro | to be or not to be |
| 11:49.38 | obreiro | to compile or not, this is the q. |
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| 11:50.30 | unkmar | hello q. Nice to meet one from the continium. |
| 11:50.54 | obreiro | continium? |
| 11:52.04 | unkmar | Star Trek TNG |
| 11:52.59 | obreiro | uhmmmm I'm ignorant |
| 11:53.00 | SerajewelKS | continuum* |
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| 11:55.08 | unkmar | SerajewelKS: so I am a programmer and can't spell. |
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| 11:55.44 | SerajewelKS | i'm a programmer too. i was also homeschooled. :P |
| 11:55.57 | SerajewelKS | in other words, all your vocabulary are belong to me |
| 11:56.05 | SerajewelKS | bwahahaha |
| 11:56.17 | SerajewelKS | goes back to being socially awkwark |
| 11:56.22 | SerajewelKS | d* |
| 11:56.43 | leafwiz | hey. I have just upgraded my kernel to: 2.6.32-3-686, but now my alsa is broke. Alsaconf says this: /usr/sbin/alsaconf: line 598: /lib/modules/2.6.32-3-686/modules.pcimap: no such file |
| 11:56.52 | unkmar | lol |
| 11:57.36 | SerajewelKS | leafwiz: run depmod as root, then try again |
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| 11:58.01 | {g} | Hey People! I have 256 color support in vim when i telnet to the machine. But when I start screen and use vim I do not get 256 colors. Any ideas? |
| 11:58.40 | SerajewelKS | {g}: echo $TERM outside and inside of screen, they'll be different... |
| 11:58.43 | leafwiz | SerajewelKS, naah, same result |
| 11:58.53 | SerajewelKS | leafwiz: hmm, odd... depmod is supposed to create those map files |
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| 11:59.02 | obreiro | what client do you use |
| 11:59.03 | obreiro | ? |
| 11:59.17 | SerajewelKS | obreiro: he drove by :( |
| 11:59.46 | Pteridac | hi, how can I only enable my daughter account to use some websites ? Can I have a hosts file on her account ? |
| 11:59.48 | valdyn | leafwiz: you could generate that file with modprobe but alsaconf is obsolete |
| 12:00.23 | SerajewelKS | Pteridac: you could install a filtering proxy server and set up her iceweasel to use it |
| 12:00.41 | leafwiz | valdyn, okay. do you know how ? :) |
| 12:01.30 | unkmar | well, it sure likes to Kernel Panic. I guess it doesn't know the answer to 6x7 |
| 12:01.38 | Pteridac | SerajewelKS: can you give me an hint on where to go to read more about it ? Will work under firefox, right ? |
| 12:02.00 | SerajewelKS | Pteridac: it would work under any browser that supports proxies, which is pretty much all of them |
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| 12:02.33 | EduardeCalibal | Hi |
| 12:02.39 | unkmar | or he could use an existing web proxy that acts like a sort of Mayberry. |
| 12:02.46 | valdyn | leafwiz: http://linuxindetails.wordpress.com/2009/11/07/modules-pcimap-file-missing-for-the-2-6-26-2-686-kernel-version/ |
| 12:02.56 | EduardeCalibal | Someone know how auto-receive files with Kopete? |
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| 12:03.17 | EduardeCalibal | If is possible... |
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| 12:03.54 | leafwiz | valdyn, nice thx :) |
| 12:03.56 | themill | valdyn: that of course has nothing to do with the kernel and everything to do with the version of module-init-tools being used (and is one of the reasons judd does this) |
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| 12:04.06 | lamah | i need alternative killall -9 command?, e.g. killall -9 sshd |
| 12:04.26 | SerajewelKS | Pteridac: look at the dansguardian package |
| 12:05.00 | valdyn | themill: what does judd do? |
| 12:05.01 | Pteridac | ty SerajewelKS |
| 12:05.06 | SerajewelKS | Pteridac: np |
| 12:05.21 | themill | leafwiz: it sounds like you're mixing things in an interesting way there... what version of debian are you trying to run? |
| 12:05.25 | unkmar | lamah: than make one using ps aux, cut, for and grep. |
| 12:05.44 | themill | valdyn: extracts the pciids from the kernels for us to do these look-ups more easily. |
| 12:05.57 | EduardeCalibal | valdyn, skill? |
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| 12:06.10 | valdyn | EduardeCalibal: what are you talking about? |
| 12:06.18 | EduardeCalibal | the command, skill |
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| 12:06.38 | EduardeCalibal | Ops |
| 12:06.38 | valdyn | EduardeCalibal: what about that command? |
| 12:06.41 | EduardeCalibal | Wrong name |
| 12:06.42 | leafwiz | themill, I'm running squeeze, with 2.6.32-3-686 #1 SMP |
| 12:06.43 | EduardeCalibal | Hehehe |
| 12:06.54 | EduardeCalibal | lamah |
| 12:07.00 | EduardeCalibal | Sorry baldyn |
| 12:07.02 | EduardeCalibal | :D |
| 12:07.04 | themill | SerajewelKS: fyi, depmod stopped generating the text versions of these files as of version 3.6 (i.e. from squeeze onwards) |
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| 12:07.29 | valdyn | leafwiz: your error is using alsaconf at all |
| 12:07.31 | SerajewelKS | themill: ah good to know, thanks |
| 12:07.33 | mysticsilent | hi all, i'm new to debian. i want so setup my sound device. can somebody help me with that? i'm running debian squeeze amd 64bit with kernel 2.6.32-3-amd64 and my sound device is a creative SB audigy 0401 |
| 12:07.34 | themill | leafwiz: then you shouldn't have alsaconf installed at all. |
| 12:07.40 | valdyn | leafwiz: its not in squeeze iirc, you just still have it |
| 12:07.52 | valdyn | leafwiz: but as far as i know its not harmful to use it |
| 12:07.59 | SerajewelKS | mysticsilent: if you are new to debian, why are you running squeeze? |
| 12:08.02 | valdyn | leafwiz: its just useless |
| 12:08.09 | leafwiz | themill, aha.. What's the thing to use then? |
| 12:08.18 | valdyn | leafwiz: nothing |
| 12:08.22 | mysticsilent | because i want to learn |
| 12:08.48 | valdyn | leafwiz: you dont have to instruct debian to load proper modules for devices, it's done automatically |
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| 12:09.02 | themill | leafwiz: it shouldn't even be installed any more if you are running squeeze though. Have you run an "aptitude full-upgrade" recently and checked that you don't have packages kept back for some reason? |
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| 12:09.11 | valdyn | leafwiz: alsaconf was useless already in lenny |
| 12:09.14 | unkmar | heh, if lamah had hung around a little longer I would have created it for him. I had other things I was doing though. |
| 12:09.23 | solar_sea | I'm currently lenny, what's the next version called and is it already considered safe to make a dist-upgrade ? |
| 12:09.37 | unkmar | solar_sea: next version is squeeze |
| 12:09.39 | solar_sea | currently using lenny* |
| 12:09.40 | valdyn | solar_sea: squeeze, not safe |
| 12:09.57 | solar_sea | i see, thanks :) |
| 12:09.58 | SerajewelKS | solar_sea: it will be safe once it is released |
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| 12:10.01 | mysticsilent | SerajewelKS: can you help me install the sound card? |
| 12:10.08 | valdyn | solar_sea: upgrading is never safe, but right now its unsafe *and* unsupported |
| 12:10.16 | leafwiz | okay, I can try doing the full-upgrade and see what happens :) |
| 12:10.35 | SerajewelKS | !tell mysticsilent about alsa one-liner |
| 12:10.43 | SerajewelKS | mysticsilent: do that and ask here if you still have trouble |
| 12:10.56 | mysticsilent | SerajewelKS: thank you very much |
| 12:10.56 | valdyn | leafwiz: do that and tell us the actual issue you are having |
| 12:11.01 | SerajewelKS | mysticsilent: np |
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| 12:12.49 | leafwiz | valdyn, Yes. It's upgrading now. My issue is with using two sound cards, one onboard, and one usb. And to switch the default. Because now I don't have the usb |
| 12:13.12 | valdyn | leafwiz: why would you think that you dont have it? |
| 12:14.56 | valdyn | leafwiz: personally I recommend you use pulseaudio on top of alsa, but it also seems to be highly fashionable to bash pulseaudio ;) |
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| 12:15.15 | zrin | invalid opcode: 000 [#1] SMP - Process cron - http://paste.debian.net/73172/ ... what is the most probable cause? (it is lenny) ... RAM failure? |
| 12:15.17 | valdyn | leafwiz: ( realtime redirection of sound output is just to neat ) |
| 12:15.37 | valdyn | zrin: yes |
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| 12:16.12 | leafwiz | valdyn, aha.. yeah. I have heard of that. I'll do some research into it. Just now I need to enlarge my whole linux partition.. :/ |
| 12:16.22 | leafwiz | only got 5gig.. :P |
| 12:16.30 | zrin | valdyn: thank you |
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| 12:20.18 | mazzanet | hmm |
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| 12:20.50 | mazzanet | i change the global keyboard shortcut for the kde app launcher from alt+f1 to meta+esc |
| 12:21.13 | mazzanet | but changes back on reboot |
| 12:21.22 | mazzanet | other global shortcuts are fine |
| 12:21.23 | mazzanet | any ideas? |
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| 12:30.10 | achilles | hello, how can I create an iso image of some files, not entire file system ? |
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| 12:31.18 | zhxk | where to paste a picture? |
| 12:31.23 | abrotman | picpaste.com |
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| 12:32.16 | wols | achilles: mkisofs perhaps? |
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| 12:33.15 | achilles | wols, as far as I know it mounts iso to a file system |
| 12:33.27 | achilles | I want to create an iso image |
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| 12:34.24 | wols | as far as mkisofs manpage knows it does nothing of the sort |
| 12:34.24 | wols | which is quite understandable since mkisofs means "MaKe ISO FS" |
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| 12:34.52 | zhxk | http://imagebin.org/96693 |
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| 12:35.37 | wols | zhxk: do you have a debian related problem? |
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| 12:37.00 | zhxk | wols:a board will be made part of a psu inside a pc box that is to runn debian? |
| 12:37.23 | wols | zhxk: this not debian related. please stay on topic |
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| 12:40.08 | TomyLobo | hi |
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| 12:40.18 | TomyLobo | what happened to /usr/bin/firefox? |
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| 12:40.47 | umarzuki | hi, anyone know any fileserver distro that is debian based like openfiler? |
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| 12:41.23 | achilles | wols, yes you are write, mkisofs -o image.iso -r cd_dir |
| 12:41.29 | abrotman | TomyLobo: iceweasel |
| 12:41.37 | abrotman | umarzuki: Debian? or ask ##linux |
| 12:41.37 | jordanm | TomyLobo: should be a symlink to iceweasel |
| 12:41.44 | abrotman | jordanm: it's been removed finally |
| 12:41.47 | TomyLobo | abrotman yes, it used to come with a symlink named "firefox" |
| 12:41.51 | TomyLobo | why? |
| 12:41.54 | abrotman | TomyLobo: why not? |
| 12:42.06 | TomyLobo | to prevent interoperability? |
| 12:42.20 | abrotman | huh? |
| 12:42.24 | TomyLobo | with silly apps, granted, but better than no interoperability |
| 12:42.40 | jordanm | TomyLobo: I don't see any reason for an application to call /usr/bin/firefox directly, and don't know of one that does |
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| 12:42.53 | abrotman | you could make your own symlink .. or file a wishlist bug to have the package manager ask if oyu'd ilke to have one installed ? |
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| 12:43.40 | abrotman | TomyLobo: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=576392 |
| 12:43.56 | jordanm | TomyLobo: applications should call something like /usr/bin/x-www-browser |
| 12:44.14 | themill | or xdg-open |
| 12:44.20 | TomyLobo | what if they want firefox and fail if there is no firefox? |
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| 12:44.37 | themill | TomyLobo: then there shouldn't be /usr/bin/firefox pointing to iceweasel... |
| 12:44.38 | abrotman | TomyLobo: seems it's been reverted |
| 12:44.39 | valdyn | TomyLobo: we cannot prevent applications from being retarded |
| 12:44.48 | valdyn | TomyLobo: no app is supposed to call a webbrowser directly |
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| 12:45.42 | abrotman | TomyLobo: http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/i/iceweasel/iceweasel_3.6.4~build2-1/changelog |
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| 12:45.52 | TomyLobo | hmm lemme update then |
| 12:45.53 | Bushmills | well, i have a case where it makes perfectly sense for an app to call firefox directly |
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| 12:46.04 | abrotman | TomyLobo: it's only in experimental currently |
| 12:46.09 | Bushmills | a ... desktop manager, allowing to define launchers... |
| 12:46.10 | abrotman | Bushmills: which is ? |
| 12:46.36 | Bushmills | and user creates a launcher for launching firefox |
| 12:46.38 | abrotman | Bushmills: you can't stop users from doing silly things ? |
| 12:46.46 | valdyn | Bushmills: im not a lawyer, imt not going to mention all your corner cases |
| 12:47.11 | themill | Bushmills: if the user is going to create a launcher, they should create a launcher to something that exists |
| 12:47.16 | valdyn | Bushmills: where that is a non-issue as the starter either ships with your browser is is contructed by the user to call iceweasel, not firefox |
| 12:47.56 | TomyLobo | valdyn what if he takes his config/scripts between multiple systems? |
| 12:47.58 | Bushmills | i commented on "no app is supposed to call a webbrowser directly", no additional condition attached |
| 12:48.12 | TomyLobo | which happens to be the thing mentioned on that bug page |
| 12:48.41 | valdyn | TomyLobo: thats hilarious |
| 12:49.17 | TomyLobo | valdyn yes, valid points are hilarious, aren't they? |
| 12:49.34 | valdyn | Bushmills: yes, and you are right, but i cant mention all corner cases |
| 12:49.43 | valdyn | TomyLobo: its not a valid point |
| 12:50.17 | abrotman | TomyLobo: so if i move a desktop shortcut on windows to MyReallyCoolApp.exe .. and it doesn't exist on the new system, MS should fix that? |
| 12:50.18 | Bushmills | i know what, and don't expect you to do that, or be able to do so. I'm just happy to found a counterexample. |
| 12:50.28 | Bushmills | have found |
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| 12:50.32 | valdyn | Bushmills: heh |
| 12:50.34 | TomyLobo | if debian then iceweasel elseif other_distro then earthdog else firefox end |
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| 12:50.43 | TomyLobo | add more if you want |
| 12:51.26 | TomyLobo | abrotman i thought linux was better at that than windows |
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| 12:52.06 | Bushmills | TomyLobo: symlinking the desired browser is more maintenance friendly than your script example |
| 12:52.45 | Bushmills | and more scalable |
| 12:53.09 | TomyLobo | i cant see anyone installing iceweasel AND firefox for a valid reason |
| 12:53.11 | valdyn | I would think that in a real world x-www-browser is even better |
| 12:53.41 | valdyn | but that breaks on non-unix systems, oh my god |
| 12:53.46 | TomyLobo | and if you specifically need firefox? |
| 12:53.52 | Bushmills | x-www-browser *is* a symlink |
| 12:54.09 | Bushmills | "symlinking" is a superset of "use x-www-browser" |
| 12:54.51 | TomyLobo | abrotman the symlink seems to be back in testing as well |
| 12:55.02 | valdyn | i rather think of symlinking as an unimportant implementation detail of alternatives |
| 12:55.40 | Bushmills | i think of alternatives as one application of symlinks |
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| 13:06.39 | omes | does anyone know how to do mixing for bluetooth? |
| 13:06.46 | omes | preferrably with asoundrc |
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| 13:07.30 | jordanm | !dmix |
| 13:07.30 | dpkg | [dmix] an <ALSA> subsystem which allows a music device to play multiple sound streams simultaneously without the need for an external sound server. See http://alsa.opensrc.org/Dmix or another sample asound.conf at http://img.hexus.net/v2/features/foss/a3/images/asound.conf or http://phaeronix.net/asoundrc |
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| 13:07.58 | omes | jordanm: it didnt like that when it was bluetooth for some reason |
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| 13:08.40 | abrotman | TomyLobo: this isn't about better .. you can't stop users and developers from doing stupid things .. the program is NOT called firefox .. it's time to admit that |
| 13:09.16 | TomyLobo | it looks like firefox though |
| 13:09.21 | TomyLobo | and works like it, too |
| 13:09.30 | dupondje | Is squeeze/testing stable enough for production environment ? Would like to use the newest Xen kernel, as it fixes some issues |
| 13:09.41 | TomyLobo | logos aside |
| 13:09.45 | ham5 | build your own kernel |
| 13:09.48 | ham5 | simple |
| 13:09.53 | abrotman | TomyLobo: smells like it too ? |
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| 13:10.00 | TomyLobo | probably |
| 13:10.10 | abrotman | skins opera to look like FF ... |
| 13:10.13 | jordanm | dupondje: no, see ham5's suggestion, or also kernel from lenny-backports |
| 13:10.34 | jordanm | !tell dupondje about moving target |
| 13:10.54 | mr_empty | hi, how can I install kernel from backports during debian installation? (im using squeeze installer to install lenny, because lenny installer doesnt support raid controller perc h700) |
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| 13:11.19 | acwn | is someone familiar with "update-manager-core"? i use squeeze and although the program downloads new packages, it doesn't show it in the panel |
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| 13:12.12 | jordanm | acwn: update-manager-gnome is the part that would show on your pannel |
| 13:12.13 | yalu | hello, I have a Q about performance (of an old computer). I use a 600 MHz P3 with a 120 GB, 7200 rpm ide disk as file server, and tried how fast rsyncing a local dir to another dir would be. it contained a lot of Debian packages, I had average cpu usages of 21%sy, 8.5ni, 5%id, 58%wa and a transfer rate of 1390000 bytes/sec. Is that a normal performance level for this kind of PC? |
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| 13:13.10 | acwn | jordanm: this package is also installed |
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| 13:13.46 | nsadmin | , versions inkscape |
| 13:13.47 | judd | inkscape -- etch-security: 0.43-0.0etch1; etch: 0.44.1-1; lenny: 0.46-2.lenny2; sid: 0.47.0-2+b1; squeeze: 0.47.0-2+b1 |
| 13:15.08 | alema0 | yalu, |
| 13:15.30 | alema0 | In my opinion you should use hdparm for check HD performance |
| 13:16.16 | alema0 | try to use hdparm -tT /de/hda in your P3 and do the same in new computers wirth SATA hd |
| 13:16.51 | yalu | well a comparison is a bit loose in this respect isn't it, the new computer will obviously perform a lot faster |
| 13:16.55 | alema0 | them you will get parameters to compare about performance |
| 13:18.23 | alema0 | I guess that IDE OLD HD is 20/30% more slowly that new SATA HD's |
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| 13:25.14 | JyZyXEL | why won't gparted let me resize mounted partitions? |
| 13:25.25 | abrotman | because .. it's mounted? |
| 13:25.28 | wols | cause they are mounted |
| 13:25.39 | abrotman | "Hello, I see you're using this file .. I'm going to move it now!" |
| 13:25.40 | JyZyXEL | why does it matter if their mounted? |
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| 13:25.53 | JyZyXEL | growing a partition doesn't move anything |
| 13:26.01 | wols | it does |
| 13:26.06 | mr_empty | hi, how can I install kernel from backports during debian installation? (im using squeeze installer to install lenny, because lenny installer doesnt support raid controller perc h700) |
| 13:26.12 | JyZyXEL | no it doesn't? |
| 13:26.16 | abrotman | !tell mr_empty about kmuto |
| 13:26.17 | ReeF | hum |
| 13:26.26 | abrotman | JyZyXEL: if you don't believe then just do it .. |
| 13:26.28 | wols | JyZyXEL: learn what metadata is |
| 13:26.29 | abrotman | believe us |
| 13:26.38 | ReeF | hi wols |
| 13:26.40 | JyZyXEL | it won't let me do it |
| 13:26.50 | abrotman | wow .. maybe there's a good reason |
| 13:27.07 | wols | abrotman: no there is not! JyZyXEL said so! |
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| 13:27.21 | abrotman | let him go complain to #parted |
| 13:27.28 | jimcooncat | likes using a livecd to run gparted, so the hard drives don't need to be unmounted |
| 13:27.28 | JyZyXEL | why would growing a partition move any data |
| 13:27.43 | mattgirv | JyZyXEL: Why wouldn't it? |
| 13:27.47 | wols | do you haev anything against the fine people at #parted that you direct him to them? you are a meanie |
| 13:27.51 | JyZyXEL | no why would it |
| 13:27.57 | abrotman | mr_empty: no need to msg me |
| 13:28.07 | abrotman | JyZyXEL: go ask #parted to explain it to you |
| 13:28.09 | wols | cause the filesystem metadata will change and will have to be enlarged |
| 13:28.10 | abrotman | clearly we're idiots |
| 13:28.23 | JyZyXEL | wols: no thats resizing the filesystem |
| 13:28.37 | JyZyXEL | i was talking about resizing a partition |
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| 13:28.55 | mattgirv | JyZyXEL: Maybe you should do some research. |
| 13:29.02 | abrotman | i think he should just force it |
| 13:29.09 | wols | mattgirv: no. that would be tooo easy |
| 13:29.20 | jimcooncat | please give us a full report |
| 13:30.11 | wols | JyZyXEL: I suggest you use fdisk to enlarge partitions then. it will let you do it with mounted ones even |
| 13:30.18 | JyZyXEL | yes it will |
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| 13:30.52 | wols | and after you did it, think about what the point of it all was |
| 13:31.11 | JyZyXEL | the point would be resize2fs now would expand to the new available space |
| 13:31.13 | PinkFreud | doesn't parted automatically attempt a filesystem resize when a partition is resized? |
| 13:31.20 | JyZyXEL | and online |
| 13:33.08 | JyZyXEL | if unallocated space immidiately follows the partition i don't see why you couldn't extend it live |
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| 13:34.03 | themill | is please that JyZyXEL has already started working on the patches to gparted to enable these functions |
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| 13:34.43 | JyZyXEL | themill: how bout you stop that and tell if you know some technical limitation that prevents this |
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| 13:35.14 | abrotman | oh, no patches? |
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| 13:35.33 | JyZyXEL | no patches until it has been proven |
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| 13:36.32 | themill | JyZyXEL: you're the one claiming that it is possible, so why ask me? |
| 13:36.52 | JyZyXEL | no im not claiming it to be possible |
| 13:36.59 | JyZyXEL | im just thinking it might be possible |
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| 13:37.21 | mattgirv | JyZyXEL: Why, to save yourself all of 5 minutes? |
| 13:37.31 | mattgirv | and risk the data existing on the partition? |
| 13:37.43 | JyZyXEL | and with my very limited knowledge i couldn't really figure out why it wouldn't be |
| 13:37.47 | JyZyXEL | so maybe someone else can |
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| 13:38.27 | jelly | no one cared to implement it |
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| 13:39.08 | bs0d | Hello. I have read that Matlab is available for linux but I cannot find it in apt. Is it free of charge? Where can I get it? I need Matlab and Simulink together |
| 13:39.44 | jelly | bs0d: Matlab isn't free of charge, and is undistributable |
| 13:39.56 | jordanm | JyZyXEL: I missed the beginning of the question, but an ext filesystem can be extended while live, as long as there is free space in its partition (you can't grow the partition live unless on LVM) |
| 13:40.00 | JyZyXEL | so its in fact possible but no one implemented it |
| 13:40.18 | abrotman | JyZyXEL: he just told you why |
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| 13:40.34 | mattgirv | JyZyXEL: LVM resizing on the fly still isn't recommended. You are always better off unmounting it first. |
| 13:40.54 | mattgirv | bs0d: Check out Octave. |
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| 13:41.06 | jelly | mattgirv: what? online lv resizing is an old and stable feature |
| 13:41.11 | jordanm | I have done it a few times with my desktop but I wouldn't try with a production server... |
| 13:42.33 | mattgirv | jelly: Sure it is, but it doesn't mean there aren't safer alternatives. |
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| 13:42.34 | jelly | jordanm: it works and we rely on it heavily. OTOH, resize2fs has issues sometimes when there's lots of IO going on, but extending logical volumes is easy and Just Works |
| 13:43.11 | jelly | mattgirv: I'd like to see a reference for that "not recommended" |
| 13:43.39 | JyZyXEL | isn't being able to online resize lv's one of its major selling points :p |
| 13:43.45 | jelly | RHEL supports it in at least 4 and 5 (I don't use earlier ones) |
| 13:43.56 | mattgirv | jelly: Define resizing. Shrinking is also resizing. |
| 13:44.43 | jelly | mattgirv: true, but it's seldom needed |
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| 13:45.25 | jelly | some filesystems don't support shrinking _at all_ |
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| 13:47.46 | Posterdati | hi |
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| 13:56.24 | zrin | how can I check the version of a distinct kernel module? |
| 13:56.39 | zrin | e.g. aoe |
| 13:56.51 | nsadmin | will a 686 kernel work with amd k6? |
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| 13:56.59 | ignotus | hello, how I can search for tags with apt-cache search? I tried apt-cache search field::linguistics but it returns nothing |
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| 13:57.28 | mattgirv | nsadmin: Depends what K6 you mean |
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| 13:57.38 | djura-san | o/ |
| 13:58.01 | the-dude | ignotus: just use apt-cache search linguistics |
| 13:58.02 | nsadmin | mattgirv: I can cut/paste a line or two from /proc/cpuinfo :) |
| 13:58.24 | mattgirv | nsadmin: pastebin it, or msg me it |
| 13:58.39 | nsadmin | the whole thing? ok... |
| 13:58.44 | mattgirv | sure |
| 13:58.45 | nsadmin | you asked :) |
| 13:58.48 | ignotus | the-dude: some packages provide extensive set of tags, like "Tag: devel::lang:c, devel::library, field::linguistics, implemented-in::c, role::devel-lib, role::shared-lib, works-with::text", I would like to search that |
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| 13:58.58 | nsadmin | and thanks for offering to look |
| 13:59.14 | mattgirv | nsadmin: No problem |
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| 13:59.31 | the-dude | ignotus: ah ok I never use apt-cache that way |
| 13:59.53 | CuBe0wL | hi all |
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| 14:00.14 | CuBe0wL | who shall I raise my voice about a package description problem? |
| 14:00.36 | abrotman | CuBe0wL: file a bug? |
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| 14:01.15 | CuBe0wL | no. The localised translation of the package "cabextract" in hungarian is childish and emberessing for the whole project |
| 14:01.59 | helo | CuBe0wL: care to take a stab at translating the poor translation back into english for our amusement? |
| 14:02.00 | the-dude | CuBe0wL: then file a bug and write a patch :) |
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| 14:02.24 | CuBe0wL | because "Microsoft" is substituted by "M$" and windows is called "W$" every time the package description refers to them |
| 14:02.35 | helo | hah |
| 14:02.39 | CuBe0wL | I don't even know who was the idiot who translated that |
| 14:03.16 | Tux^verdreifelt | lol, "M$".. come on, even the debian project does not work without money :x |
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| 14:11.16 | pyrophelia | newbie question: Is it possible to get the hostname of a computer from a non-routable IP if there is no internal dns server? |
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| 14:12.21 | the-dude | pyrophelia: you mean resolving with out a dns ? |
| 14:12.32 | pyrophelia | the-dude, yes. |
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| 14:12.50 | the-dude | pyrophelia: add them to /ets/hosts file |
| 14:12.51 | pipeline | pyrophelia: hosts files |
| 14:14.12 | pyrophelia | well the problem is i'm trying to figure which computer was trying to pull files on the server it had no business seeing. they clients in question are mac clients that get their ip from a dhcp pool. |
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| 14:14.22 | Salvia | alemanha lol |
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| 14:14.42 | pyrophelia | I can give them static IPs but i'm just trying to get some information from the IP |
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| 14:15.14 | helo | pyrophelia: your dhcp server should have logs of who had what IP at what time |
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| 14:15.49 | Posterdati | hi |
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| 14:16.00 | Posterdati | please in which package is getty? |
| 14:17.12 | the-dude | Posterdati: util-linux |
| 14:17.18 | Posterdati | thanks |
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| 14:18.10 | SerajewelKS | are there any vnc servers in debian that support xrandr? |
| 14:19.38 | CuBe0wL | the-dude, I've filed a bugreport. I never knew about the "reportbug" tool |
| 14:19.46 | CuBe0wL | very easy to use, I have to say |
| 14:20.09 | the-dude | CuBe0wL: im not sure if it is a cabextract bug |
| 14:20.29 | Posterdati | the-dude: debootstrap won't install /sbin/getty alas util-linux is requested to install |
| 14:20.38 | SerajewelKS | speaking of reportbug, can it integrate with another mail client, like icedove? |
| 14:20.40 | CuBe0wL | I've checked in it's a problem in localisation |
| 14:20.47 | Posterdati | the-dude: so I can't have my initial console :) |
| 14:20.53 | the-dude | CuBe0wL: ah thought so :) |
| 14:22.11 | SerajewelKS | pyrophelia: also, packet sniffing on the avahi/bonjour port, filtered for the hosts in question, might also give you some indo |
| 14:22.14 | SerajewelKS | info too |
| 14:22.30 | SerajewelKS | pyrophelia: or just query their mdns server directly using the avahi tools |
| 14:23.13 | the-dude | Posterdati: what are you trying to do? |
| 14:23.25 | Posterdati | installing debian on an arm |
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| 14:38.25 | iratio | hey, i've just installed a debian vps, and i've got a vnc on it, but when I want to type in the vnc, the keyboard letters don't match, now I remember from last time that I have to disable something with gconf-editor, but i don't remember what, any ideas? :( |
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| 14:42.02 | catfive_ | hey what SQL server does the lenny installer give you if you check the option? postgre? |
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| 14:42.16 | SerajewelKS | catfive_: i think mysql |
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| 14:42.37 | catfive_ | i thought so too... but it seems to have not installed |
| 14:43.00 | SerajewelKS | catfive_: don't use tasksel anyway, just install the base system and then the specific packages you want |
| 14:43.14 | catfive_ | SerajewelKS: i know i normally don't, but i did this time... |
| 14:43.33 | catfive_ | it looks like it installed mysql-common but not mysql-server |
| 14:43.52 | SerajewelKS | catfive_: that's fairly normal, i think... the mysql client libraries are probably depended on by something |
| 14:44.05 | abrotman | no, it gives pgsql |
| 14:44.13 | abrotman | or it used to .. |
| 14:44.16 | abrotman | and should |
| 14:44.18 | SerajewelKS | ah, i stand corrected. did it used to give mysql? |
| 14:44.32 | catfive_ | yeah... that's what i gathered from dpkg |
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| 14:44.45 | catfive_ | so can i kill postgre, or does debian need it for anything? |
| 14:44.52 | dan2 | anybody here know how a way to test if a serial port is functioning? |
| 14:45.10 | SerajewelKS | catfive_: if debian needed it for something, a package would depend on it |
| 14:45.20 | SerajewelKS | catfive_: so just purge the package, see if aptitude lets you |
| 14:45.48 | the-dude | Posterdati: http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-boot@lists.debian.org/msg116561.html |
| 14:46.07 | SerajewelKS | dan2: plug something in and chat with it over /dev/ttyS0 |
| 14:47.04 | dan2 | SerajewelKS, I have a usb serial adapter, but I only have one device I can test with over serial on my desk |
| 14:47.14 | dan2 | it's the one that's not working, but was working a week ago |
| 14:47.33 | SerajewelKS | then you need to get another, known-working device with which to test |
| 14:48.06 | catfive_ | thanks SerajewelKS , abrotman |
| 14:48.08 | SerajewelKS | or you need to try the same device on another computer |
| 14:48.19 | SerajewelKS | catfive_: np, any time you need misinformation, just ask |
| 14:48.30 | catfive_ | heh |
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| 14:52.23 | catfive_ | for the record, aptitude had no objections |
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| 14:54.12 | qfr | What is state of the art traffic shaping software for Linux? Somebody told me that everything ultimately still uses tcng which hasn't been updated since 2003. I am currently failing to build it on my Arch router - which is why I am asking. Apparently there are modified versions of it in the Debian repositories from which I was using it successfully back then. Apparently this is it: http://patch-tracker.debian.org/patch/nondebian/view/tcng/10b-3 - I have no idea |
| 14:54.12 | qfr | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:54.21 | solifugus | Why might I be getting an ssh prompt for password? I did: ssh-keygen -t dsa && scp ~/.ssh/id_dsa.pub 10.15.92.132:/home/rcbackup/.ssh/authorized-keys |
| 14:54.59 | themill | dpkg: tell solifugus about ssh permissions |
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| 14:56.08 | themill | solifugus: you're better off using ssh-copy-id btw |
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| 15:01.41 | solifugus | themill: I'll try that, since even with permissions like this, it still doesn't work: -rw------- 1 rcbackup rcbackup 623 2010-05-13 10:48 authorized-keys |
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| 15:02.27 | themill | solifugus: it's not just they key file, it's also ~/ and ~/.ssh that are important. And check the filename there... that doesn't look right. |
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| 15:05.24 | simonrvn | qfr: i don't see whay not, it's mostly just patching the autoconf stuff |
| 15:05.42 | qfr | Ok cheers, the Arch AUR might require an update there, they should probably use the Debian code |
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| 15:05.51 | qfr | simonrvn or has tcng been superceded as a QoS tool? |
| 15:05.55 | qfr | For Linux? |
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| 15:06.30 | solifugus | themill: ok.. it works now.. I remembering fighting with RHEL over this same issue once.. Their ssh package didn't even include the ssh-copy-id command. |
| 15:06.32 | simonrvn | qfr: why* |
| 15:06.45 | Salvia | alema0 ja que vc nao vai por o banza eu vou fazer sozinho |
| 15:06.46 | {g} | Hi People! I installed Debian and I have huuuuuuuge form buttons in icewasel and a lot of other stuff is huge too. The start menu, window menus etc. |
| 15:06.57 | solifugus | Or was that cygwin? I forget |
| 15:07.00 | {g} | Which setting is doing that? |
| 15:07.04 | qfr | simonrvn: Because I don't want to invest time in fixing outdated software while Linux might have moved on to something totally different for programmatic low level traffic shaping confdiguration? |
| 15:07.06 | themill | solifugus: ssh-copy-id is most excellent ;) |
| 15:07.13 | simonrvn | people use tc from ip |
| 15:07.15 | qfr | Oh, you fixed the whay* |
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| 15:07.48 | simonrvn | qfr: most people use tc from ip |
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| 15:08.01 | simonrvn | (load avg. is ~8 right now) |
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| 15:09.13 | mattcen | Hi all. Having done a minimal install of Lenny, and then manually installed xorg, fluxbox, and xdm, what is the correct way to start X on boot? |
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| 15:09.43 | wols | mattcen: it's automatically running xdm when you have installed it |
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| 15:10.14 | qfr | simonrvn: tcng generates tc scripts it seems - they are INCREDIBLY long and cryptic :| |
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| 15:10.25 | qfr | tc filter add dev eth0 parent 1:0 protocol all prio 1 u32 match u16 0x0 0xffc0 at 2 match u8 0x5 0xf at 0 match u8 0x0 0xf0 at 33 match u8 0x11 0xff at 9 offset at 0 mask 0f00 shift 6 eat link 23:0:0 |
| 15:10.25 | qfr | tc filter add dev eth0 parent 1:0 protocol all prio 1 handle 23:0:1 u32 ht 23:0:0 match u16 0x4c6f 0xffff at 0 classid 1:2 |
| 15:10.32 | qfr | It goes on like that for 500+ lines |
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| 15:11.02 | simonrvn | ah. pretty typical actually. |
| 15:11.06 | mattcen | wols: Oh so it is. I *almost* just tried rebooting, but didn't see anything relevent in /etc/inittab, so assumed it wasn't working. Thanks :-) |
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| 15:11.20 | dv- | You can start xdm without reboot too |
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| 15:12.04 | qfr | simonrvn it seems like people use pyshaper, wondershaper etc to generate the tc code instead |
| 15:12.39 | simonrvn | i'd stick with tcng for now then since tc on its own is too damned opaque ;) |
| 15:12.40 | qfr | I should probably just use those then :| |
| 15:12.50 | simonrvn | yeh, i use wondershaper |
| 15:12.57 | qfr | Well I have failed to build tcng on Arch so far ;/ |
| 15:13.03 | qfr | The AUR entry for it appears to be broken |
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| 15:13.07 | simonrvn | (modified ever so slightly) |
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| 15:14.00 | {g} | Hello Helloohohoho! Where do I set the font size of the menus of the windows in Debian? Anyone? I got groteskely big fonts there... |
| 15:15.02 | simonrvn | 'grotesquely' |
| 15:15.03 | Bushmills | "debian windows"? head scratch. |
| 15:15.17 | niklaswe | {g}: do you mean set dpi ? |
| 15:15.37 | simonrvn | probably |
| 15:16.02 | {g} | niklaswe: i dont know. the titles and menus of the windows are *big*. too big. |
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| 15:16.20 | niklaswe | if you starting X from console mode.. can you set in your .bash_profile alias startx="startx -- -dpi 96" |
| 15:16.44 | {g} | niklaswe: X starts magically on its own after i hit the power button. |
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| 15:17.32 | niklaswe | then you must fix your dpi setting in gdm, or xdm |
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| 15:17.58 | {g} | there is a video here: http://ubuntuclips.org/videos_28.html that looks good. but there seems to be no "fonts" thingy in debian. |
| 15:18.20 | dv- | {g}: System -> Preferences -> Apperance -> Fonts |
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| 15:18.43 | dv- | Appearance* |
| 15:18.44 | {g} | dv-: aahhhh! |
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| 15:19.47 | dv- | You're running GNOME by the way |
| 15:19.55 | simonrvn | for half a second there i thought you were yelling in fright |
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| 15:20.03 | simonrvn | {g}: ^^ |
| 15:21.07 | {g} | still, the fonts used in forms in iceweasel are giant |
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| 15:21.21 | {g} | and it doesnt change with the fonts settings in appearance. |
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| 15:23.04 | dv- | Have you tried unchecking the "Allow pages to use their own fonts" option? |
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| 15:23.37 | {g} | dv-: where is that? |
| 15:24.08 | dv- | In iceweasel, edit -> preferences -> content -> advanced |
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| 15:24.16 | dv- | the second "advanced" that is |
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| 15:25.07 | dkay | hello #debian |
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| 15:25.20 | dkay | ive mounted a ftp account with curlftpfs |
| 15:25.28 | dkay | i dont know which os is used |
| 15:25.30 | {g} | dv-: hmm... all these font settings do not affect the forms. |
| 15:25.49 | dkay | but i cant copy files to it, it says |
| 15:25.49 | dkay | cp: cannot create regular file `/mnt/ftp/file.tar': Operation not permitted |
| 15:26.27 | dkay | i do this as root and the file owns root also |
| 15:26.44 | {g} | dkay: do you have ssh access to the server? if so, sshfs is working really nicely. |
| 15:26.51 | dkay | no |
| 15:26.52 | dkay | i dont |
| 15:26.57 | {g} | dkay: only ftp? |
| 15:26.58 | dkay | its a ftp account |
| 15:27.00 | simonrvn | dkay: check the dir's perms, and also the perms of the mountpoint |
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| 15:27.16 | simonrvn | {g}: the dpi needs setting i bet. s/he can do that in the appearance > fonts then click the details... button |
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| 15:27.36 | dkay | drwxrwx--- 2 root root 4096 May 11 10:01 files |
| 15:27.38 | {g} | simonrvn: i played around with that. |
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| 15:27.49 | {g} | dkay: and what outputs "whoami"? |
| 15:28.00 | dkay | i am root :P |
| 15:28.03 | simonrvn | {g}: set to like 80 or so |
| 15:28.05 | dkay | lol |
| 15:28.22 | simonrvn | should help a lot |
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| 15:29.08 | {g} | simonrvn: then all fonts become tiny tiny tiny. except in forms in iceweasel. they stay huge. |
| 15:29.34 | simonrvn | the forms take in the page's font settings |
| 15:29.36 | {g} | simonrvn: and a few other fonts as well. for example the iceweasel status bar. |
| 15:29.43 | dv- | Sounds like your iceweasel is broken. Consider downloading Firefox |
| 15:30.10 | {g} | dv-: i already have downloaded firefox. same result. i wonder if firefox might have killed iceweasel. |
| 15:30.18 | simonrvn | dimensions: 1152x864 pixels resolution: 96x96 dots per inch # gnome has 80dpi ;p |
| 15:30.33 | simonrvn | {g}: if they had similar versions, probably not |
| 15:30.44 | {g} | simonrvn: ice is 3.0. FF is 3.7 |
| 15:30.54 | simonrvn | shouldn't matter |
| 15:31.03 | ham5 | Mozilla Firefox 3.6.3, Copyright (c) 1998 - 2010 mozilla.org |
| 15:31.08 | {g} | simonrvn: but i only downloaded FF into a folder. no installing. |
| 15:31.21 | simonrvn | yes and? |
| 15:31.25 | {g} | simonrvn: maybe because i set the screen resolution via xrandr? |
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| 15:31.28 | dv- | Remove .mozilla? |
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| 15:32.16 | simonrvn | {g}: what's it at now? and the moz apps aren't always responsive to X changes. they got better with gtk support, but still a few places they suck. |
| 15:32.39 | {g} | simonrvn: what is what at? |
| 15:32.45 | simonrvn | dpi |
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| 15:32.58 | {g} | simonrvn: i set it back to 132. i think that was the default. |
| 15:33.04 | rox | hello, what's the new canonical way to restart network? |
| 15:33.11 | simonrvn | screen size? |
| 15:33.20 | simonrvn | rox: invoke-rc.d |
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| 15:33.32 | rox | simonrvn: the same complaint |
| 15:33.32 | {g} | simonrvn: 1280x1024 on my external monitor. switched back to my internal now. 1280x800. |
| 15:33.41 | simonrvn | rox: or ifdown eth0 && ifup eth0 |
| 15:33.46 | rox | simonrvn: it complains about being deprecated |
| 15:33.55 | simonrvn | rox: or -a if you want all of them ;p |
| 15:34.04 | rox | ok |
| 15:34.06 | {g} | simonrvn: also my font in the task bar looks big. |
| 15:34.53 | rox | simonrvn: ifup/down doesn't reset the routing table :-/ |
| 15:34.57 | simonrvn | {g}: my screen size is similar. i found anything bigger than 100x100 to be too effing icky. |
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| 15:35.18 | djura-san | how to check app version in repos using apt in debian sid? |
| 15:35.36 | simonrvn | djura-san: what? |
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| 15:36.20 | simonrvn | rox: no, invoke-rc.d networking stop && .... start does |
| 15:36.26 | djura-san | how can i check app version in my repos using apt? |
| 15:36.45 | djura-san | i want to know what pidgin version is available in experimental repos |
| 15:36.46 | simonrvn | djura-san: your repos, or what's available? |
| 15:36.51 | djura-san | my repos |
| 15:36.51 | wols | djura-san: apt-cache policy |
| 15:36.54 | {g} | simonrvn: i think i will switch back to ubuntu. never had that problem there. |
| 15:37.00 | ham5 | ;version pidgin |
| 15:37.04 | ham5 | ? |
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| 15:37.12 | wols | ,versions pidgin |
| 15:37.14 | judd | pidgin -- etch-backports: 2.4.3-4lenny5~bpo40+1; lenny: 2.4.3-4lenny5; lenny-security: 2.4.3-4lenny6; squeeze: 2.6.5-2; lenny-backports: 2.6.6-1~bpo50+1; sid: 2.6.6-2 |
| 15:37.16 | ham5 | o yeah |
| 15:37.20 | simonrvn | djura-san: apt-cache policy if you have experimental sources... you should consider using testing instead |
| 15:37.34 | wols | simonrvn: testing? stable! |
| 15:37.40 | djura-san | im using sid all the times but im curious just to see the version ;) |
| 15:37.49 | simonrvn | he'll complain that's "too old".... |
| 15:37.56 | ham5 | pidgin just came out with 2.7 |
| 15:38.00 | ham5 | build yourself |
| 15:38.01 | ham5 | :) |
| 15:38.08 | djura-san | i have experimental repos for fun but i pined down the unstable one just in case ;) |
| 15:38.10 | \amethyst | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:38.17 | simonrvn | djura-san: yes, and your level of expertise i'd recommend using stable |
| 15:38.21 | \amethyst | in some architectures |
| 15:39.05 | djura-san | simonrvn: i believe i can handle sid most of my times :) |
| 15:39.14 | djura-san | :> |
| 15:39.34 | djura-san | okay, tnx guys for answer :) |
| 15:39.49 | simonrvn | i hope your $deity is lenient with you in that case |
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| 15:40.27 | djura-san | i will assume that that is a good thing :> |
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| 15:40.42 | dbbolton | i am planning to repartition my hard drive. is there anything i should back up other than /etc, /root/, and /home ? |
| 15:40.43 | wols | is a solpsist. I'm always lenient with myself |
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| 15:41.08 | wols | dbbolton: any data you want to keep. e.g /var might have some like mail, webpages etc |
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| 15:41.28 | simonrvn | /usr/local too if you have stuff there |
| 15:41.45 | dbbolton | the only mail i get is about failed cron jobs |
| 15:41.50 | themill | dbbolton: for some other ideas, /msg dpkg things to backup |
| 15:42.57 | dbbolton | of course, the all-knowing dpkg |
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| 15:43.51 | rox | does anybody know, did just /etc/init.d/networking restart get deprecated or also stop and start |
| 15:44.03 | abrotman | should work fine |
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| 15:44.33 | nsadmin | I'm getting ready to boot a later kernel for my ol k6 box... what is the deal with installing the newer udev package? when exactly should it be installed? |
| 15:45.22 | nsadmin | going from a custom 2.6.18 to a very-close-to-debian-but-still-custom 2.6.26 |
| 15:46.57 | jordanm | nsadmin: should be explained in the upgrading section of the release notes |
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| 15:50.11 | qubodup | hello |
| 15:50.23 | qubodup | I would like to have some GPL advice |
| 15:50.36 | qubodup | it's about a texture for a foss game, which wants to be debian-clean |
| 15:52.35 | jordanm | !ask |
| 15:52.36 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 15:54.00 | frol | Hi |
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| 15:54.30 | frol | I have an issue installing Debian 5.0 on my computer |
| 15:54.53 | frol | the install program can't find th disk driver |
| 15:55.01 | mguy | What is your disk controller? |
| 15:55.26 | frol | mguy: Good question ;) How answer to this question |
| 15:55.28 | jordanm | !kmuto |
| 15:55.28 | dpkg | For Debian Lenny installers with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ . The <bnx2> and <bnx2x> firmware files for Linux 2.6.32 are included in 0116 images. |
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| 15:55.40 | frol | it is a SATA |
| 15:55.44 | frol | ^^ |
| 15:55.48 | jordanm | frol: I would just try kmuto |
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| 15:56.02 | frol | jordanm: oki thnaks |
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| 15:58.07 | fubada | hi |
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| 16:00.26 | nsadmin | is there an apt/aptitude/dpkg/apt-get that can use faster storage and access techniques for the package database? |
| 16:00.47 | qubodup | hi |
| 16:01.16 | qubodup | I'm sorry, I watned to ask something but then did so, on a different channel accidentally |
| 16:01.35 | qubodup | Can the following term be added to a GPLed texture? "Some source textures have been used which are created by CGTextures.com. Permission is granted to use these specific textures under the GPLv2 or any later version (at your option). As additional requirement, this text should be included in a relevant place in any released product. Note that textures downloaded from CGTextures.com DO NOT fall under the GPL license by default." |
| 16:01.38 | dupondje | Is there a 2.6.32 kernel + xen hypervisor for Lenny around ? backports doens't contain the hypervisor :( |
| 16:02.37 | nsadmin | qubodup: (a) DO NOT listen to me... consult an attorney (b) it says in the GPL you can't add restrictive conditions |
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| 16:03.26 | qubodup | nsadmin: but how is this 'restrictive'? |
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| 16:03.42 | pipeline | qubodup: it requires you to do something that the gpl does not require |
| 16:03.44 | \amethyst | qubodup: because it adds an additional requirement on top of those imposed by the GPL itself |
| 16:04.16 | pipeline | qubodup: it doesn't really matter though. You're going to have to include the GPL in your EULA anyway; adding an extra blurb about cgtextures.com shouldn't be any skin off your back :P |
| 16:04.20 | qubodup | nsadmin: What about Section 7 of the GPL? |
| 16:04.20 | nsadmin | including something like the gfdl :) |
| 16:04.47 | qubodup | pipeline: I don't have an EULA :) I want to upload a texture that was created for warzone2100 to opengameart.org |
| 16:04.47 | themill | pipeline: debian doesn't have a EULA though does it? |
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| 16:05.18 | \amethyst | qubodup: that would be fine in gpl3 probably |
| 16:07.10 | SerajewelKS | qubodup: "relevant place" is also very ambiguous |
| 16:07.12 | themill | \amethyst: yeah, §7b would appear to explicitly permit that. |
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| 16:07.20 | unkmar | I'm back. |
| 16:07.40 | SerajewelKS | qubodup: if you want to release it as free content, release it as free content. don't half-ass it with bizarre restrictions. |
| 16:07.55 | SerajewelKS | qubodup: alternatively, use something like cc-by |
| 16:07.58 | unkmar | I have a base install. No X. :( |
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| 16:08.09 | unkmar | I installed X but it crashed. |
| 16:08.24 | nsadmin | unkmar: congratulations on getting the base going... |
| 16:08.31 | nsadmin | is it lenny or squeeze |
| 16:09.12 | unkmar | nsadmin: yes, why yes it is. :P *cough* lenny *cough* |
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| 16:10.03 | nsadmin | well the cd is only 150 mb... just enough for the base and installer, base isn't in x |
| 16:10.11 | nsadmin | x isn't in base |
| 16:10.27 | unkmar | I dont't have irssi installed yet. the beauty of ssh. :) |
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| 16:10.56 | unkmar | nsadmin: it has more than the base. All attempts to install without net failed. I had net this time. |
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| 16:11.07 | nsadmin | if you want to try squeeze, upgrade the base (what you have noe) to it |
| 16:11.40 | nsadmin | hmm, ok |
| 16:11.47 | nsadmin | at least you got it |
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| 16:12.02 | nsadmin | and got the net configured for you as a bonus |
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| 16:12.13 | pipeline | themill: it sure does. |
| 16:12.28 | pipeline | themill: a copy of the GPL is distributed with debian install media iirc |
| 16:12.38 | mns | does anyone have pointers on how to scan documents over the network from a HP Officejet 6310 all-in-one ? |
| 16:12.54 | unkmar | nsadmin: no, haven't worked with the wireless yet. |
| 16:13.20 | unkmar | nsadmin: I need to know how to execlude files from a tar extraction. |
| 16:13.45 | pipeline | unkmar: man tar |
| 16:13.48 | pipeline | unkmar: press "/" to search |
| 16:13.52 | pipeline | unkmar: type "exclude" |
| 16:13.54 | pipeline | unkmar: blammo |
| 16:14.06 | \amethyst | it did change relatively recently |
| 16:14.19 | \amethyst | though pre-lenny I believe |
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| 16:14.58 | unkmar | --exclude. I see. |
| 16:15.24 | unkmar | pipeline: I said that but was immiediately looking. :P |
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| 16:17.00 | themill | pipeline: you are not required to accept the GPL in order to use the software. It is not a user's agreement and this is made very explicit in the GPL itself. The GPL is a *distributors* agreement, so Debian has to agree to its terms to distribute the packages and, if you start distributing debian packages from your website or similar, only then do you as a Debian user have to agree to the terms of the GPL. |
| 16:17.44 | pipeline | themill: that's the purpose of the endeavour, isn't it ? every user is entitled to be a distributor :D |
| 16:18.04 | nsadmin | it's also about modifying what you get and about you passing along rights you have (because you can't not) |
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| 16:19.02 | themill | pipeline: but it's not an *End User* LA, is it. You are permitted to *use* the software without agreeing to the terms of the GPL. |
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| 16:19.51 | nsadmin | so then perhaps there's not a debian eula |
| 16:20.10 | themill | that's what I said... (and why) |
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| 16:20.44 | nsadmin | I think that's such an interesting question... in all these years I never made the connection |
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| 16:22.07 | pipeline | themill: the gpl is the license to use the software |
| 16:22.20 | pipeline | themill: it has a lot of terms unrelated to your own re-distribution, e.g. warranty |
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| 16:22.49 | valdyn | you dont need to agree to it |
| 16:23.10 | themill | pipeline: no, the gpl is not the licence to USE the software. This is quite explicit e.g. §9 of GPLv3 |
| 16:23.56 | valdyn | this is confusing, sure its a license to use |
| 16:24.00 | valdyn | just not an eula |
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| 16:24.26 | themill | thinks this has gone one for more than long enough in #d but is happy to move to #debian-offtopic |
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| 16:25.32 | simonrvn | only as a distributor |
| 16:25.41 | greedo | anyone got any ideas for Multicasting "Ghost" type solutions to Windows/Linux dual booting computers |
| 16:26.07 | valdyn | like norton ghost? |
| 16:26.31 | madsara | greedo: Yeah, there's something that'll do that in linux. |
| 16:26.33 | jordanm | to deploy dual-boot hard disk images? |
| 16:26.41 | madsara | partimaged, I think 1 sec. |
| 16:27.03 | madsara | Yeah, partimage. |
| 16:27.09 | napster | What are the necessary files that should be present in a source Binary debian package? |
| 16:27.10 | valdyn | greedo: be specific |
| 16:27.12 | greedo | i've been looking at G4L |
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| 16:27.44 | valdyn | greedo: look at mondo |
| 16:27.47 | themill | napster: "source Binary debian package"? a source package or a binary package? |
| 16:27.57 | bulldog98 | I want to fix an error while packaging with deb format 3.0 quilt where do I find help? |
| 16:28.13 | napster | themill, source/binary |
| 16:28.28 | napster | themill, I missed a forward slash... sorry |
| 16:28.33 | greedo | I have a dual booting computer running windows 7 and Ubuntu 10.04 on seperate partitions |
| 16:28.50 | jordanm | greedo: where does debian fit in? |
| 16:29.04 | greedo | yeah... |
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| 16:29.20 | greedo | this was more a generic type question |
| 16:29.35 | docgnome | is there a package that has a 32bit libdri for amd64? |
| 16:29.40 | themill | napster: these things are quite well defined in policy (§4 and §5 respectively for source and binary packages) |
| 16:29.42 | jordanm | greedo: this channel is for debian support. please take "generic" questions to ##linux or similar |
| 16:29.59 | themill | napster: err, §3 and §4 |
| 16:30.10 | SerajewelKS | greedo: if you mean to multicast image several machines' hard disks at once, i've used a livecd for this in the past, let me look it up... |
| 16:30.11 | greedo | symantec ghost does not currently ext4 or grub 2 |
| 16:30.15 | napster | themill, Eh? can you get me a link? |
| 16:30.21 | themill | !policy |
| 16:30.21 | dpkg | i guess policy is the document that defines how Debian packages should (and must!) interact with each other and with the user to make sure we have a high-quality, stable distribution. You can find it at http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ or in the debian-policy package. Those who fail to understand Debian Policy are doomed to reimplement it, poorly. See also <best practices> <nmg> <mentors>. |
| 16:30.38 | SerajewelKS | greedo: http://udpcast.linux.lu/ |
| 16:30.45 | greedo | I'm going to try Symantec ghost in raw mode |
| 16:31.13 | SerajewelKS | greedo: this tool does raw disk images. i could care less what the filesystem is. (but it does optimize for some file systems that it understands so that images are sparse.) |
| 16:31.17 | valdyn | docgnome: thats in ia32-libs |
| 16:31.19 | SerajewelKS | it* could |
| 16:31.25 | docgnome | dang |
| 16:31.31 | docgnome | i have that installed already and my problem didn't go away |
| 16:32.06 | greedo | SerajewelKS: yeah Symantec failed |
| 16:32.32 | frostschutz | SerajewelKS: it couldn't |
| 16:32.35 | SerajewelKS | greedo: i have used udpcast for production projects, to image a room of 20+ computers with xp |
| 16:32.41 | SerajewelKS | frostschutz: pardon? |
| 16:32.43 | napster | themill, Thanks mate... |
| 16:33.01 | themill | np |
| 16:33.03 | qubodup | SerajewelKS: the licensing is not my choice |
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| 16:33.30 | qubodup | SerajewelKS: if it was, I wouldn't try to add advertising clauses like that :) |
| 16:33.31 | greedo | SerajewelKS: hmm, wonder if that would work |
| 16:33.31 | SerajewelKS | qubodup: then whoever's choice it is should be figuring out the legal issues |
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| 16:33.57 | SerajewelKS | qubodup: or they should be delegating to a lawyer |
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| 16:34.46 | greedo | SerajewelKS: does mondo do multicast? |
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| 16:35.43 | SerajewelKS | greedo: i don't know |
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| 16:37.32 | valdyn | wtf is multicast supposed to mean? |
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| 16:38.41 | jordanm | and why are we supporting it if debian is not involved? |
| 16:38.44 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: udpcast sends a disk image using udp multicast, so that you can image many computers at once |
| 16:39.23 | valdyn | the whole time i thought he was trying to do a backup |
| 16:39.32 | SerajewelKS | heh |
| 16:39.43 | valdyn | but in a scenario like this dd is fine for that part.... |
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| 16:40.41 | greedo | valdyn: I'm trying to setup some lab computers |
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| 16:41.18 | greedo | by ghosting an image of setup computer |
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| 16:41.23 | greedo | a* |
| 16:41.24 | kodiak | Hi |
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| 16:41.46 | kodiak | Where is my conf file of xorg? I don't see Xorg.conf in /etc/X11 |
| 16:41.54 | valdyn | kodiak: nowhere |
| 16:42.15 | kodiak | So, what file can I modify to switch the driver? |
| 16:42.20 | valdyn | kodiak: you can create one if you must ( xorg.conf, not Xorg.conf ) |
| 16:42.21 | jordanm | kodiak: it is not required unless you use proprietary drivers |
| 16:42.30 | kodiak | ahhh |
| 16:42.36 | kodiak | okey |
| 16:42.44 | kodiak | How can i crate it? |
| 16:42.47 | kodiak | create |
| 16:42.58 | jordanm | kodiak: in which case there is nvidia-xconfig and aticonfig for generating it |
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| 16:43.27 | kodiak | ok |
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| 16:43.31 | kodiak | thanks |
| 16:44.07 | jhutchins_lt | greedo: Youmight want to have a look at clonezilla. |
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| 16:44.40 | jordanm | sighs as he realizes he can't stop the ubuntu support in #d |
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| 16:45.07 | kodiak | aticonfig --initial --input=/etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 16:45.08 | kodiak | Warning: Could not find configuration file |
| 16:45.08 | kodiak | Please copy configuration file template to /etc/X11 |
| 16:45.12 | kodiak | Opps, How can I get the templates? |
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| 16:45.27 | AimHere | Maybe we should start asking Debian questions in #ubuntu |
| 16:45.28 | jordanm | kodiak: do it again without --input |
| 16:45.33 | kodiak | Ok |
| 16:45.47 | kodiak | :) |
| 16:46.27 | qubodup | SerajewelKS: not really, it's that task of whoever wants to use it, is it not? |
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| 16:47.11 | qubodup | SerajewelKS: and warzone2100 is in debian's repo. (althought I'm not sure what that means regarding license. I believe it means that license clarity is in the interest of debian) |
| 16:47.44 | jordanm | ,versions warzone2100 |
| 16:47.45 | judd | warzone2100 -- lenny-backports: 2.2.3-1~bpo50+1; sid: 2.2.4-3; squeeze: 2.2.4-3; experimental: 2.3~beta7-1 |
| 16:47.47 | qubodup | SerajewelKS: the texture is inteded for a future version of wz, it is not yet in debian |
| 16:48.06 | SerajewelKS | qubodup: it is *your* job to make sure that the restrictions you add on top of the GPL are compatible with it, not mine |
| 16:48.10 | wols | qubodup: I'd ask on debian-legal ML |
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| 16:48.34 | qubodup | SerajewelKS: I'm not adding the restrictions |
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| 16:48.40 | unkmar | how can I change my textmode to 50 lines? |
| 16:48.50 | SerajewelKS | qubodup: somebody is |
| 16:49.20 | jordanm | unkmar: your question lacks context |
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| 16:49.37 | unkmar | jordanm: tty |
| 16:49.55 | qubodup | wols: I guess I'll do that |
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| 16:50.46 | unkmar | jordanm: does it still lack context? cause only 25 lines when stuck in tty sucks a$$. |
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| 16:52.45 | jordanm | unkmar: well, since that is limited by the size of your physical screen, you probably need to adjust your framebuffer settings to decrease the size of the font |
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| 16:53.15 | mguy | unkmar: Are you looking for a 50x80 setup? |
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| 16:53.34 | jordanm | unkmar: or, you can run GNU screen and have scrollback |
| 16:53.54 | unkmar | mguy: yes. |
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| 16:54.21 | mguy | I think you can pass vga=text-80x50 or something to the kernel |
| 16:54.48 | mguy | (DOS equivalant would be MODE CON:LINES=50 or something |
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| 16:55.10 | unkmar | mguy: I tried that already and failed repeatedly. |
| 16:55.34 | unkmar | mguy: strangely I have seen it do it during the debian install, then switch back to my dismay. :( |
| 16:55.40 | jordanm | unkmar: then use screen, which is probably ideal anyways |
| 16:55.43 | mguy | You're just using the console, no GNOME or anything right |
| 16:56.06 | unkmar | mguy: correct |
| 16:57.42 | mguy | how about vga=3841 |
| 16:58.12 | unkmar | even if I had to type the pass repeatedly, sudo would be more convenient. |
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| 16:58.35 | mguy | Also, is svgatextmode still around? (package) |
| 16:58.56 | jordanm | unkmar: what does sudo have to do with this? |
| 16:59.01 | jordanm | ,info svgatextmode |
| 16:59.02 | judd | svgatextmode (admin, extra): enable higher resolution text modes. Version: 1.9-21; Size: 356.5k; Installed: 892k |
| 16:59.27 | unkmar | jordanm: sudo aptitude install - security report because I currently have to go root instead. |
| 16:59.33 | mguy | unkmar: you could try vga=ask and it should ask you at boot-up which mode you want to use |
| 16:59.44 | unkmar | mguy: I tried that first. it failed. |
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| 16:59.52 | jordanm | unkmar: su -c 'aptitude install foo' |
| 17:00.13 | unkmar | installing svgatextmode now. |
| 17:00.15 | mguy | unkmar: are you using GRUB v2? |
| 17:00.17 | unkmar | installed |
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| 17:00.31 | unkmar | mguy: not now. but I think I was. |
| 17:00.49 | mguy | Okay, that would have explained why the vga option doesn't work |
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| 17:01.51 | jordanm | mguy: kernel paramaters should not be specific to a bootloader |
| 17:01.56 | mguy | you will need a gfxpayload line in your grub config |
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| 17:02.47 | jordanm | video=uvesafb:mtrr:3,ywrap,1024x768-24@60 |
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| 17:05.58 | unkmar | i have my 50 lines now. |
| 17:06.16 | mguy | unkmar: what was the fix |
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| 17:09.15 | unkmar | svgatextmode |
| 17:09.31 | unkmar | then I ran: stm 80x50x9 |
| 17:10.31 | mguy | Whatever the mode is that my 24" runs is amazing when it drops to console |
| 17:11.08 | De_Mon | I've got a server here that says / is full (4.2gb) but du -shx at / only finds 1.8G, where the crap is the other 2G? |
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| 17:11.16 | GNU\colossus | hi there folks |
| 17:11.33 | cahoot | De_Mon: du -i? |
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| 17:11.55 | GNU\colossus | I cannot find Fedora's 389 directory server anywhere in Debian's repos - am I looking in the wrong places, or is it just not there? |
| 17:11.56 | cahoot | De_Mon: err df -i |
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| 17:13.14 | De_Mon | /dev/hda4 611648 50269 561379 9% / |
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| 17:13.43 | dv- | GNU\colossus: 389? |
| 17:13.56 | GNU\colossus | dv-: yes, 389 |
| 17:14.13 | GNU\colossus | it's a LDAP server |
| 17:14.52 | dv- | Oh. No idea, sorry |
| 17:14.53 | zrin | is there a way to tell kernel (or udev) to update /dev/disk/by-label ? |
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| 17:15.22 | cahoot | zrin: udevadm trigger? |
| 17:16.28 | De_Mon | cahoot do I maybe need to run an fsck to recover space or something? |
| 17:16.30 | zrin | cahoot: didn't change it |
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| 17:17.00 | cahoot | De_Mon: nothing obvious in dmesg? |
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| 17:18.31 | De_Mon | no dmsg has been pretty quiet for a long time |
| 17:18.40 | SerajewelKS | De_Mon: it might be temp files that are still open but not linked into the directory structure |
| 17:23.11 | De_Mon | SerajewelKS ahh I bet that's it. I deleted a log file from a perl app that kinda sucks, and it hadn't released the space |
| 17:23.13 | jordanm | zrin: does blkid show it as having a label? |
| 17:23.41 | SerajewelKS | De_Mon: nods. if the perl script still has an fd on it, the kernel won't free the space until it closes it. |
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| 17:24.08 | zrin | jordanm: yes |
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| 17:25.11 | zrin | jordanm: I changed labels to swap "things" on next reboot, blkid shows the change, udevadm trigger does not update /dev/disk/by-label/ |
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| 17:26.59 | De_Mon | awesome, thanks! |
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| 17:27.08 | RickYRocK | what file I have to edit to accept external connection for mysql ? I want to use navicat thank |
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| 17:28.33 | jordanm | RickYRocK: see: /usr/share/doc/mysql-server-5.x/README.Debian.gz |
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| 17:30.52 | SerajewelKS | De_Mon: np |
| 17:31.52 | mastro | I had to compile a software, but the dev library provided with debian is a little old ( libpcre3-dev for instance) to install it I had to downgrade bonobo, gconf2 and other packages... probably after compiling the package I don't need that dev library anymore and the package will work with the new library too.... how would you handle this? |
| 17:32.48 | gravity | mastro: backport the library if you can |
| 17:32.54 | gravity | pcre is a tough one though |
| 17:33.08 | jordanm | mastro: aptitude autoremove should remove no longer needed builddeps |
| 17:33.14 | gravity | Well, maybe not, if the versioning is correct |
| 17:33.26 | jordanm | mastro: unless you mean you compiled the libs from upstream, then your pretty much on your own |
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| 17:33.37 | jordanm | you're |
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| 17:37.23 | foxtrot | hi, i have an old lenny install that used to have an LCD hooked toit for Xorg, now I am tryna use a monitor |
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| 17:37.47 | foxtrot | Xorg -configure is causing the monitor not to display |
| 17:37.57 | mastro | gravity, jordanm I think there is a little misunderstood here: I want to installa a software X (which I had to compile). To compile it I need libpcre3-dev which is NOT installed on my system at the moment. If I try to install libpcre3-dev aptitude say that I had to downgrade some packages (bonobo, gconf2 .... from version 2.28 to 2.20). Isn't backporting the operation to take a "newer" package and made it work on an older library? isn't the thing I'm trying |
| 17:37.57 | mastro | to achieve here the opposite? |
| 17:38.10 | gravity | foxtrot: How does it work with no xorg.conf? |
| 17:38.35 | gravity | mastro: Which version of Debian are you running? |
| 17:38.36 | jordanm | mastro: what is software X |
| 17:38.45 | gravity | mastro: This downgrading thing shouldn't be happening |
| 17:39.15 | jordanm | gravity: it depends on your version of xorg. in lenny hardware is detected via HAL. in later xserver, HAL is deprecated in favor of udev |
| 17:39.29 | gravity | jordanm: No, I understand that. I meant that he should try with no config file. |
| 17:39.32 | gravity | Sorry for being unclear |
| 17:39.35 | jordanm | mastro: and it sounds like your running a stable/testing mix to start with |
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| 17:39.48 | jordanm | gravity: ah, ok |
| 17:39.55 | mastro | gravity, I'm running debian Stable And I used pinning to install some software from testing |
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| 17:40.06 | gravity | -configure has a different codepath from the detection at boot |
| 17:40.16 | valdyn | mastro: you would need libpcre3-dev from testing to match |
| 17:40.16 | jordanm | mastro: again, what is software X? |
| 17:40.17 | mastro | jordanm, it's gitorious |
| 17:40.30 | valdyn | mastro: but that might pull even more from testing |
| 17:40.41 | jordanm | ,versions gitorious |
| 17:40.41 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'gitorious' was found. |
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| 17:41.07 | gravity | mastro: Also, if you build against a newer -dev package then you also need the newer normal lib package to stay installed. You can't downgrade later. I think that was what you were asking earlier. |
| 17:41.37 | jordanm | could have swore he saw a closed RFP for that... |
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| 17:43.07 | mastro | valdyn, thanks :) i installed it from testing |
| 17:43.19 | mastro | another little question |
| 17:43.34 | mastro | about aptitude, is there something like apt-cache search in aptitude? |
| 17:43.35 | jordanm | nope, RFP is still open |
| 17:43.57 | jordanm | mastro: aptitude search... *much* more powerful than apt-cache's search |
| 17:44.00 | mastro | gravity, thanks to you too |
| 17:44.07 | gravity | np |
| 17:44.21 | mastro | jordanm, i'm sure about it.. but i can't get the grip of it |
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| 17:45.03 | themill | mastro: there's no reason not to use apt-cache search if you're wanting to search package names and descriptions. |
| 17:45.09 | jordanm | mastro: are you saying you want it to function like apt-cache where it will also search descriptions? |
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| 17:46.04 | jordanm | mastro: aptitude equivelent would look a little ugly: aptitude search ~dfoo foo |
| 17:46.05 | mastro | jordanm, yes... as an example: apt-cache search chat | wc -l = 171. aptitude search chat | wc -l = 28 |
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| 17:46.26 | mastro | jordanm, oh.. I see... so I had to specify where I want to search |
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| 17:47.09 | jordanm | mastro: yes, ~dfoo searches the descripts for foo and "foo" searches package names. you could also do it where it _must_ match both |
| 17:48.02 | jordanm | mastro: aptitude search ~dfoo~nfoo for example. I recommend install aptitude-doc-<lang> and having a look at the chapter on searching |
| 17:48.08 | mastro | jordanm, is there a documentation about this? what I get with man aptitude seems just a little introduction to me |
| 17:48.25 | jordanm | mastro: yes, the package I just mentioned is HTML form documentation |
| 17:48.46 | jordanm | s/form/format/ |
| 17:49.06 | mastro | jordanm, and where is it the build-deb command? is it gone with aptitude? |
| 17:49.22 | mastro | jordanm, oh.. I see... let me install it for later reference/reading |
| 17:51.01 | mastro | and... this is more like a general linux question... I always wandered: is there some command to directly open the browser on a particular documentation on /usr/share/doc/... ? like... htmlman aptitude for instance |
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| 17:51.43 | valdyn | mastro: theres the dwww package |
| 17:52.13 | valdyn | mastro: file://usr/share/doc/ works too us a url |
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| 17:53.05 | jordanm | mastro: I don't use bookmarks very often but I have one for /usr/share/doc and /usr/share/doc/aptitude/html/en |
| 17:53.40 | dkay | hello debian! i got a problem with my network! anyone can tell me where to start to fix? |
| 17:53.40 | dkay | http://pastebin.org/230708 |
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| 17:55.37 | jordanm | dkay: I am not very familar with sit0, should it have an IP address? Is your network ipv6 only or something? |
| 17:55.46 | mastro | dkay, what's the problem? is it wired network? wireless? commands.... ifconfig -a; route -n; |
| 17:55.55 | dkay | no, it works with eth0 |
| 17:55.56 | dkay | iftop |
| 17:56.27 | dkay | iftop -i eht0 works for me |
| 17:56.34 | SerajewelKS | jordanm: sit0 is for ipv6 tunnels, IIRC |
| 17:56.38 | dkay | i dunno why i get this sit0 problem? |
| 17:56.43 | jordanm | dkay: are they both the same interface? |
| 17:56.50 | dkay | how to look? |
| 17:56.52 | jordanm | same physical interface I mean |
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| 17:57.06 | Peacimowen | ... well, I only just got around playing sound since I installed Squeeze.. and I get nothing. Things appear to be working fine, but nothing's coming out of my speakers. |
| 17:57.25 | jordanm | !tell Peacimowen about alsa checklist |
| 17:57.28 | dkay | ifconfig gives me only infos about eth0 and lo |
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| 17:57.35 | Peacimowen | never mind |
| 17:57.41 | jordanm | dkay: ifconfig -a |
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| 17:57.59 | jordanm | dkay: why are you trying to run iftop on an interface that is not in use? |
| 17:58.00 | Peacimowen | was muted in alsamixer |
| 17:58.27 | jordanm | Peacimowen: win for alsa checklist! |
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| 17:58.49 | dkay | jordanm sit0 is not running |
| 17:58.51 | dkay | only eth0 |
| 17:58.57 | dkay | and lo |
| 17:59.13 | jordanm | dkay: what is the actual problem here? |
| 17:59.19 | dkay | http://pastebin.org/230708 |
| 17:59.27 | dkay | this is my problem |
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| 17:59.37 | dkay | when i try to run iftop it gives me this error |
| 17:59.54 | valdyn | dkay: the interface is not up, so there can not be traffic flowing thru it |
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| 18:00.02 | dkay | before i reinstalled i could run "iftop" without -i eth0 |
| 18:00.05 | jordanm | dkay: you need to specify a proper interface |
| 18:00.25 | dkay | now i need to type iftop -i eth0 |
| 18:00.29 | dkay | that was not before |
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| 18:00.57 | jordanm | dkay: before you probably didn't configure an ipv6 tunnel... |
| 18:01.04 | dkay | i didnt |
| 18:01.06 | dkay | :D |
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| 18:01.20 | valdyn | dkay: dkay use ~/.iftoprc to specify the default interface |
| 18:02.15 | dkay | i got no .iftoprc in ~ |
| 18:02.24 | valdyn | dkay: we know |
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| 18:03.24 | dkay | when u know why u tell me use it? |
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| 18:03.47 | valdyn | dkay: use as "create and edit" |
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| 18:04.24 | dkay | specify the default interfae for iftop |
| 18:04.27 | dkay | ok |
| 18:04.36 | beerkid | how do I know whether i have debian 32bit or 64bit? |
| 18:04.45 | beerkid | (coming from linux noob) |
| 18:04.47 | GNU\colossus | uname -m |
| 18:05.16 | beerkid | i686 |
| 18:06.20 | unkmar | beerkid: processor or OS? |
| 18:07.07 | unkmar | lshw | less |
| 18:07.07 | beerkid | not sure. downloading teamviewer and there are 2 different download files |
| 18:07.26 | unkmar | and look for CPU and width: 64bit |
| 18:07.39 | unkmar | beerkid: it will either be 32bit or 64bit. |
| 18:07.41 | beerkid | all i got was (end) |
| 18:07.56 | unkmar | beerkid: sudo lshw | less |
| 18:08.32 | beerkid | command not found |
| 18:08.59 | simonrvn | uname will be there... use that... |
| 18:09.22 | beerkid | i did uname, it spit out i686 |
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| 18:09.31 | unkmar | somecodehere: that tells he is running for an OS. not what is possible for the CPU. |
| 18:09.51 | simonrvn | cat /proc/cpuinfo |
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| 18:10.04 | unkmar | simonrvn: now that is more useful. |
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| 18:10.31 | simonrvn | of course it is |
| 18:10.34 | beerkid | cool |
| 18:10.42 | beerkid | but doesnt tell me 32 vs 64 bit? |
| 18:10.43 | unkmar | but that didn't tell me that my cpu is 32bit. |
| 18:11.04 | simonrvn | it's called deduction |
| 18:11.33 | GNU\colossus | if you OS is 32bit, you cannot run 64bit binaries anyway |
| 18:11.35 | GNU\colossus | so don't bother |
| 18:11.52 | GNU\colossus | 64bit capable x86 CPUs are evident in /proc/cpuinfo by the "lm" flag, for "long mode" |
| 18:12.09 | beerkid | so 32 bit works on 32 bit and 64 bit? ill just download 32 then, thanks |
| 18:12.15 | simonrvn | there's the deduction i was talking about ;) |
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| 18:12.28 | simonrvn | *nods to GNU\colossus* |
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| 18:14.29 | unkmar | what, where is shows the flags? lahf_lm ??? |
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| 18:14.50 | simonrvn | scroll up |
| 18:15.09 | unkmar | simonrvn: I was unaware of that tidbit. |
| 18:15.22 | simonrvn | e.g. my box's cpu has these: |
| 18:15.25 | simonrvn | flags: fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 mmx fxsr syscall mmxext 3dnowext 3dnow |
| 18:16.02 | simonrvn | this is only applicable to x86 cpus |
| 18:16.18 | simonrvn | (and x86_64) |
| 18:16.29 | GNU\colossus | unkmar: that flag signifies if a certain assembler instruction is available whe nlong mode is enabled |
| 18:16.58 | Asako | I have crappy 32 bit xeons with no VT support |
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| 18:18.19 | Asako | debian runs awesome on them though |
| 18:18.29 | GNU\colossus | Asako: so? :) |
| 18:19.03 | Asako | it's nice |
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| 18:23.09 | epifanio | Hello |
| 18:24.14 | epifanio | i need to install the dependencies for a -dev package , without installing the package itself, which apt-get instruction i need ? |
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| 18:25.44 | phidah | I've set up a pptpd server and the connection works fine. Except that when I am connected I cannot connect to other servers... How do I set up the iptables/routing/whatever that causes this? :) |
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| 18:26.52 | barmagnet | when I try to install msttcorefonts, why are things like verdan32.exe downloaded? |
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| 18:27.06 | barmagnet | afaik, .exe files don't run in Linux. |
| 18:27.17 | boboysdadda | hey all can someone tell me where i can find a julian date calendar widget. i'm having no luck |
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| 18:27.37 | SerajewelKS | barmagnet: the exe files are self-extracting cab files. cabextract can unpack the contents. |
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| 18:28.09 | SerajewelKS | barmagnet: same deal with zip files. you can "unzip" a self-extracting zip file. |
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| 18:32.14 | frol | hi a little question again |
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| 18:32.48 | frol | i installed debian but during the installation the installation of grub didn't worked |
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| 18:32.57 | frol | so i installed LILO |
| 18:33.12 | frol | but now i'm in my old grub with my other partitions |
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| 18:33.32 | frol | but i can't chose the debian partition of course |
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| 18:34.54 | frol | how can i easyli (in the grub command line maybe) chose to boot on my debian partition |
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| 18:37.53 | gmcquillan | I've read through the debian maint guide several times -- I can't figure out how to package statically compiled binaries. |
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| 18:38.00 | jordanm | wth? the no longer supported etch is getting a point release?? |
| 18:38.00 | gmcquillan | Can anybody point me in the right direction? |
| 18:38.32 | jordanm | gmcquillan: are you sure that is acceptable? |
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| 18:39.06 | jordanm | gmcquillan: your package would need to include its own depends, no? |
| 18:39.10 | gmcquillan | jordanm: Yeah, I want to use binaries of mongodb which are compiled and tested by the developers. |
| 18:39.51 | gmcquillan | jordanm: It doesn't really depend on anything outside of basic kernel calls, etc. |
| 18:39.55 | jordanm | gmcquillan: unless we are talking about non-free I have not seen a package that only offers pre-compiled binaries |
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| 18:40.12 | gmcquillan | jordanm: Right, I'm seeking to create one. |
| 18:40.26 | jordanm | gmcquillan: for inclusion in debian? |
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| 18:40.29 | gmcquillan | No, |
| 18:40.32 | gmcquillan | Privately. |
| 18:40.45 | gmcquillan | We need to rev more quickly than external debian can. |
| 18:40.56 | jordanm | gmcquillan: then all you should need to do is copy the binaries to the install directory... using cp or dh_install in the rules file |
| 18:41.50 | gmcquillan | Okay, I suspected that I was doing something wrong with the rules file... |
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| 18:42.07 | gmcquillan | Default behavior expects ./configure, make, make install targets, which I didn't have. |
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| 18:42.19 | gmcquillan | jordanm: I think I can take it form here. Thanks! |
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| 18:42.32 | zrin | is there a manual for udev rules syntax and semantics? |
| 18:42.56 | zrin | I'm trying to find semantics of TEST!= |
| 18:43.05 | jordanm | zrin: man udev |
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| 18:44.25 | zrin | jordanm: I don't get what TEST!="[module/sg]" means |
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| 18:45.46 | foxtrot | ok so whats the best way to configure X when you have a CRT monitor |
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| 18:45.50 | foxtrot | aa small crt monitor |
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| 18:48.32 | jordanm | zrin: likely is checking to see if the sg module exists. sg is related to SCSI IIRC |
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| 18:49.07 | jordanm | foxtrot: in lenny and later it should not require configuration |
| 18:49.30 | jordanm | foxtrot: if it does, X -configure, then edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 18:49.46 | zrin | jordanm: yes, I'm trying to tell udev to create /dev/sg* for a (virtual) disk device, but not /dev/sd* |
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| 18:50.13 | jordanm | zrin: what will that accomplish? |
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| 18:51.25 | zrin | jordanm: hide virtual block device from the host; I'm exporting it via /dev/sg* as pass-through scsi to a virtual machine |
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| 18:51.57 | zrin | jordanm: to prevent "interference", e.g. with partition labels |
| 18:51.59 | jordanm | zrin: yes, but what does the "hiding" accomplish? |
| 18:52.34 | zrin | jordanm: the host should not see guests partition with label "home" for example |
| 18:52.50 | foxtrot | jordanm: its just putting auto everything when do that |
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| 18:53.06 | zrin | jordanm: host also shall not start LVM volume groups from that device |
| 18:53.16 | jordanm | zrin: well, I don't have any experience with that but you should make sure its not an xy problem |
| 18:53.20 | jordanm | !xy problem |
| 18:53.20 | dpkg | [xyproblem] People often falsely diagnose problems because they are looking too closely at a problem: they have got stuck at a particular point (Y) doing something (X) and so ask about step Y, not realising that there is an easier or better way to do X in the first place. See http://mywiki.wooledge.org/XyProblem or http://homepages.tesco.net/J.deBoynePollard/FGA/put-down-the-chocolate-covered-banana.html |
| 18:53.32 | jordanm | zrin: lvm can likely be configured to ignore those devices |
| 18:53.37 | jordanm | foxtrot: I don't know what your talking about |
| 18:53.41 | foxtrot | wwhat line would I put in the SubSection Display section for 1024x768 |
| 18:54.00 | foxtrot | everytime I startx now my monitor goes into powersave |
| 18:54.25 | zrin | jordanm: I understand |
| 18:54.34 | zrin | jordanm: thank you |
| 18:54.36 | jordanm | foxtrot: like I said earlier, there should not be a need to configure this stuff... just rm the xorg.conf to get back to how it was |
| 18:54.48 | jordanm | foxtrot: check xrandr to see if you needed resolution is available |
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| 18:56.35 | jordanm | zrin: np |
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| 19:03.52 | yang | is there a program which can calculate the RSS memory sum of all processes started under one user ? |
| 19:04.30 | fefo | yang: RSS ? |
| 19:04.44 | fefo | resident. ? |
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| 19:05.00 | phidah | When I connect through my pptpd vpn server my DNS resolving does not work. How do I fix this? |
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| 19:05.03 | fefo | ps grep and awk is the right combination |
| 19:05.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:05.16 | jordanm | yang: sounds like homework? |
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| 19:05.26 | fefo | CutMeOwnThroat: it doesnt make any sense in that context |
| 19:05.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | fefo, I know :) |
| 19:05.48 | yang | jordanm: homework is called the program ? |
| 19:05.50 | fefo | jordanm: sounds like ``izy-pizy'' |
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| 19:06.06 | wildc4rd | evenin' all |
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| 19:06.36 | jordanm | fefo: I assume that is a phrase in your native language? |
| 19:06.42 | yang | fefo: in "htop" the physical memory sum is called RSS |
| 19:07.05 | fefo | jordanm: yep, but it comes from english |
| 19:07.13 | fefo | from word "easy" |
| 19:07.23 | fefo | -> izi |
| 19:07.27 | jordanm | I see |
| 19:07.34 | amphi | fefo: what dialect is this? |
| 19:07.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | baby-talk |
| 19:07.53 | fefo | fefo's dialect |
| 19:07.54 | fefo | ;P |
| 19:07.54 | zrin | jordanm: It seems that I managed to hide the virtual scsi disk by KERNEL=="sd*", SUBSYSTEM=="block", SUBSYSTEMS=="scsi", DRIVERS=="sd", ATTRS{vendor}=="SCST_FIO", OPTIONS:="ignore_device" |
| 19:08.26 | fefo | yang: as I've already said... ps -axuf, grep $username and awk combination |
| 19:08.29 | jordanm | !congratulate zrin |
| 19:08.29 | dpkg | Hugs & Puppies zrin, you did it! |
| 19:08.35 | fefo | yang: that is the right way.. |
| 19:08.37 | jordanm | zrin: good to see :) |
| 19:08.47 | yang | fefo: yes, if you are familiar with awk, I am not |
| 19:09.19 | fefo | awk is easy |
| 19:09.28 | Amadiro | Good evening. I'm having some problems with locales on my debian lenny, and unfortunately I have close to no knowledge about the workings of locales. Here is a demonstration of the problem I'm experiencing: http://dpaste.com/194281/ . Any hints or pointers would be greatly appreciated. |
| 19:09.50 | fefo | yang: http://www.computing.net/answers/unix/sum-of-numbers-in-one-file-/5933.html |
| 19:09.55 | fefo | first link in google |
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| 19:10.04 | zrin | Amadiro: you can ignore that warning for start |
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| 19:10.07 | yang | Amadiro: try "dpkg-reconfigure locales" |
| 19:10.19 | yang | and aptitude install locales first |
| 19:10.36 | Amadiro | zrin, so, um, it's completely harmless? |
| 19:10.40 | Amadiro | yang, thanks, I'll give that a try. |
| 19:10.45 | jordanm | Amadiro: what does echo $LANG show? |
| 19:10.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | Amadiro, well... who does... but sounds like you've set your environment to use utf8 but you haven't got the files installed needed for it |
| 19:10.52 | zrin | Amadiro: if you want/need locales, otherwise try export LC_ALL=C |
| 19:11.02 | jordanm | CutMeOwnThroat: or perl is broken from release mixing... |
| 19:11.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | jordanm, well, maybe... but why'd that produce this error |
| 19:11.26 | zrin | Amadiro: yes, until you run something that really needs locales |
| 19:11.31 | Amadiro | jordanm, it was unset before (I tried to set it, but that made no difference, apparently.) |
| 19:11.36 | Amadiro | zrin, ah. |
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| 19:12.03 | keith4 | i've had that problem. on lots of boxes. "dpkg-reconfigure locales" will fix it |
| 19:12.35 | lk | Hi all. I've unplugged a USB drive which was assigned to /dev/sdc (with a partition /dev/sdc1), but it's still appearing there. How can I get rid of that? |
| 19:12.42 | zrin | Amadiro: if it is a desktop system you most probably want them, on a debian router e.g. you don't need locales |
| 19:12.46 | keith4 | Amadiro: ... because it will "re"-generate the en_US.UTF-8 locale (assuming it's checked) |
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| 19:12.56 | Amadiro | ...and indeed the problem is gone :) thanks a lot. |
| 19:13.19 | Amadiro | zrin, it's a server. I'm not sure if I would need the locales. |
| 19:13.20 | jordanm | lk: you need to unmount or "eject" devices prior to removal |
| 19:13.31 | zrin | Amadiro: probably not |
| 19:13.45 | lk | jordanm, it was unmounted, but I didn't eject it. |
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| 19:14.02 | Amadiro | zrin, okay. I always feel a bit lost when it comes to locales, I should probably read up on them. |
| 19:14.16 | jordanm | !locale |
| 19:14.16 | dpkg | locale is probably a set of rules for presenting information to humans according to local conventions (date format, thousands separators, language, etc.). See http://wiki.debian.org/Locale and http://mywiki.wooledge.org/locale for more info. <locales> |
| 19:14.21 | zrin | Amadiro: but they won't hurt if you have plenty of disk space |
| 19:14.36 | jordanm | Amadiro: I recommend the link to wooledge.org |
| 19:14.44 | Amadiro | jordanm, I'll look at it. Thanks a lot. |
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| 19:15.41 | lk | jordanm, re-plugged, saw it appear in dmesg, ejected and unplugged, but it's still there. |
| 19:16.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | lk, it is appearing where? |
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| 19:16.51 | lk | CutMeOwnThroat, it's appearing as /dev/sdc even though it's not connected anymore. |
| 19:17.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's appearing as /dev/sdc _where_ |
| 19:17.34 | lk | Oh, it's just appearing as sdc and sdc1 in /dev/. |
| 19:17.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's of no consequence |
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| 19:18.35 | lk | CutMeOwnThroat, and the drive "label" is appearing in nautilus's "places". I'm guessing it wasn't 100% unmounted somehow? |
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| 19:19.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | I don't know about ' nautilus's "places"' - what does "mount" say? |
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| 19:20.47 | lk | Doesn't seem to mention it at all. |
| 19:21.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | yang, along the lines of ps aux | awk /^$USER/'{a=a+$6}END{print a}' â really, this should have been quite easy to dig out |
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| 19:22.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | lk, then it's not mounted |
| 19:22.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | or let me rephrase... then there's no problem |
| 19:22.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, actually there might be :) |
| 19:23.06 | lk | Any reason why it's there, though? I can't think of one. |
| 19:23.16 | lk | There => /dev. |
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| 19:23.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's no reason why the device should be removed... |
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| 19:24.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think udev removes them sometimes if the physical device is gone... but I wouldn't regard it as a bug if it doesn't |
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| 19:24.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | I mean... before udev there were static devices and you had _all_ of them in case you ever had such a gadget and needed the device |
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| 19:25.06 | lautriv | can someone tell me " grep usbmux /etc/passwd" please ? |
| 19:25.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | lautriv, " grep usbmux /etc/passwd" please |
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| 19:25.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | (no entry) |
| 19:25.41 | lk | Ditto. |
| 19:26.31 | lautriv | wtf, why have i such a (system!)user and also with homedir ?? |
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| 19:27.07 | dv- | Do you have an iphone? |
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| 19:28.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | lautriv, apt-cache search usbmux |
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| 19:28.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | apt-cache show libusbmuxd1 |
| 19:28.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | lautriv, ---> dpkg -l libusbmuxd1 |
| 19:29.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's why |
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| 19:29.41 | lautriv | CutMeOwnThroat, that is all no problem, but the password-entry is set with /home/usbmux |
| 19:29.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | and if that package creates the user (which is likely) and you _ever_ had it installed, it's never removed |
| 19:29.52 | zobel | go adm |
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| 19:30.27 | oreo | Hey everyone! I don't know why, wget is not creating the directory structure when downloading |
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| 19:30.56 | jordanm | oreo: are you using -r, recursive? |
| 19:31.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | lautriv, that's wrong - check the BTS |
| 19:31.10 | jordanm | oreo: are they static pages? |
| 19:31.11 | nubcake | jordanm: did you try to wget -m? |
| 19:31.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | lautriv, it's created with adduser --system --ingroup plugdev --no-create-home --gecos "usbmux daemon" usbmux |
| 19:31.13 | oreo | (it downloads files one by one from a list of URL's and i have these options: --continue --random-wait --force-directories --no-host-directories --timestamping --directory-prefix=) |
| 19:31.30 | nubcake | whoops sorry wrong quote |
| 19:31.43 | oreo | jordanm: they're static binary files |
| 19:31.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | lautriv, actually non-existent $HOME might be fine for what it's used |
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| 19:31.53 | nubcake | oreo: wget -m, did you? |
| 19:32.15 | jordanm | oreo: are you using a recursive option such as -m or -r? |
| 19:32.16 | lautriv | CutMeOwnThroat, this is a match :-), now i can follow this mistake |
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| 19:32.46 | oreo | jordanm: I run an instance of wget from each file inside a list |
| 19:32.47 | nubcake | jordanm: thx for completing :D i knew i was missing something |
| 19:33.10 | oreo | s/from/for |
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| 19:33.32 | jordanm | oreo: well, if you are calling wget on individual files, why do you expect it to create a directory structure? |
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| 19:33.54 | oreo | jordanm: because i'm giving the option --force-directories |
| 19:34.05 | nubcake | oreo: if you call wget without any recursive parameter, it'll just get the files to the cwd |
| 19:34.32 | oreo | --force-directories |
| 19:34.33 | oreo | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:35.17 | oreo | and it does try to save the files to the proper directories |
| 19:35.33 | oreo | the issue is that since they're not already present, it complains that the folders don't exist on the filesystem |
| 19:35.33 | nubcake | do you have sufficient privileges to create files/folders ? |
| 19:35.42 | oreo | nubcake: it's run as root |
| 19:36.03 | nubcake | oreo: oh ok forget about my question then ^^ |
| 19:36.10 | jordanm | oreo: try without --no-host-directories |
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| 19:37.12 | oreo | ha actually it wasn't run as root; i had forgottent to remove sudo in the script when upgrading it |
| 19:37.16 | oreo | thanks nubcake |
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| 19:39.12 | unkmar | I just attempted to run festival and I get: can't open /dev/dsp. suggestions? |
| 19:39.45 | nubcake | oreo: you're welcome |
| 19:39.51 | fefo | festival ? it's eary for festivals, isn't it ? |
| 19:39.56 | fefo | :P |
| 19:40.07 | nubcake | good night everyone |
| 19:40.20 | jordanm | unkmar: install alsa-oss |
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| 19:40.44 | jordanm | unkmar: wait... can't open it or does not exist? |
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| 19:41.17 | unkmar | can't open |
| 19:41.30 | jordanm | unkmar: add your user to the audio group a relog |
| 19:41.53 | unkmar | that is the correct answer. thank you. |
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| 19:43.25 | jordanm | unkmar: np |
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| 19:44.09 | unkmar | Hmm, I am in as root and root doesn't have permission? |
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| 19:45.40 | jordanm | unkmar: ls -l /dev/dsp |
| 19:46.05 | unkmar | doesn't exist. :( |
| 19:46.12 | jordanm | unkmar: I believe it only allows for one stream, so if is open for your user, root will not be able to open it |
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| 19:46.29 | jordanm | unkmar: ah, well, I believe it is part of alsa-oss, as /dev/dsp is an oss thing |
| 19:46.33 | malawar | hrm |
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| 19:46.40 | malawar | SASL isn't used by the normal auth system, is it? |
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| 19:46.41 | unkmar | and I have already installed alsa-oss |
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| 19:47.37 | dupondje | http://ftp-master.debian.org/new/xen_4.0.0-1~experimental.1.html |
| 19:47.44 | dupondje | is there a way to download those packages somehow ? |
| 19:47.57 | jordanm | unkmar: try: udevadm trigger |
| 19:48.43 | unkmar | jordanm: no output. |
| 19:49.26 | jordanm | unkmar: did it create the device? |
| 19:49.47 | unkmar | no. |
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| 19:50.42 | djura-san | im off. bais :) |
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| 19:51.58 | unkmar | jordanm: I don't see audio, sound, or dsp in dmesg |
| 19:53.07 | jordanm | unkmar: did you ever install/configure alsa? does sound work for anything? |
| 19:53.13 | jordanm | !tell unkmar about alsa checklist |
| 19:54.39 | unkmar | jordanm: installing xorg now. It wosn't working. I suspect it may be tied. No, I never configured. |
| 19:56.04 | unkmar | jordanm: it will be awhile while xorg installs. |
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| 19:59.53 | dupondje | http://ftp-master.debian.org/new/xen_4.0.0-1~experimental.1.html => nobody knows if this is somehow downloadable somewhere ? |
| 20:00.04 | themill | !new |
| 20:00.04 | dpkg | i heard new is the NEW queue for Debian packages, part of the <incoming> system, at http://ftp-master.debian.org/new.html . Packages that are in the NEW queue cannot be downloaded because they have not yet been checked to see if they are allowed to be distributed by the Debian project. |
| 20:00.27 | ukko | how can I use ntpdate to update my date and time from a server? |
| 20:01.07 | themill | ukko: you'd be better off with ntp rather than ntpdate, as a general rule. /msg dpkg ntp |
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| 20:02.21 | dupondje | damn :( |
| 20:02.54 | ukko | themill: thank you |
| 20:02.58 | themill | np |
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| 20:04.36 | helo | is there any credibilty to the idea that ubuntu 10.04 is safer than debian lenny because of lenny's outdated packages? |
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| 20:05.19 | qwd | Is there something I can do to have both cores on my cpy run at 100%? I want to see how hot it gets |
| 20:05.36 | jordanm | helo: no, lenny gets backported security patches from newer versions. |
| 20:06.25 | jordanm | helo: if version 1.0 of version foo is vulnerable in upstream, does not mean that debian has not patched/fixed the vulnerability in its foo version 1.0 |
| 20:06.47 | jordanm | !tell helo about stable |
| 20:07.09 | frostschutz | qwd: compile a kernel or two |
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| 20:07.36 | jordanm | qwd: multiple procs stuck in an infinate loop |
| 20:09.10 | qwd | jordanm: frostschutz: thanks but I don't know how to do either of those :) I tried playing three hd movies at the same time and that seems to do it. Not 100% all the time but almost. |
| 20:09.20 | helo | so every single security update that has been made from 3.0.6 to 3.6 has been backported into 3.0? |
| 20:09.32 | helo | (with firefox, for example) |
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| 20:09.49 | fubada | so whats up guys, how do we get mysql 5.1 in debian 5 |
| 20:09.54 | fubada | its not in apt |
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| 20:10.15 | fubada | wouldnt want to roll from src |
| 20:10.22 | Ikarus | hrm, am I right in seeing that gtkstyle (GTK styling for QT) hasn't been packaged yet ? |
| 20:10.31 | mattgirv | fubada: Have you checked lenny-backports? |
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| 20:12.09 | themill | dpkg: tell fubada about bpo |
| 20:12.15 | jordanm | qwd: all you need to do is download a kernel tarball, extract, cd <kernel dir>, and do something like: make -j5 |
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| 20:12.41 | jordanm | qwd: where the -j is n + 1 number of CPUs |
| 20:12.51 | mattgirv | themill: Cheers, wasn't sure of the dpkg trigger. Didn't want to spam the channel up :) |
| 20:13.07 | themill | helo: the important ones get priority, ones that require the user to click on "yes I'm a moron and want you to root my system" might not be fixed necessarily. /msg dpkg tracker of doom |
| 20:14.53 | mguy | jordanm: Is it n+1 or N*2 |
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| 20:16.01 | jordanm | mguy: n+1 so "5" for a quad-core CPU |
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| 20:18.48 | ondrejk | hi, im going to create cluster for balancing apache web servers, but we're using awstats in company, does anybody know solution for successful work of awstats on cluster? |
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| 20:39.45 | barmagnet | when I try to install msttcorefonts, why are things like verdan32.exe downloaded? |
| 20:39.47 | barmagnet | afaik, .exe files don't run in Linux. |
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| 20:40.43 | jordanm | barmagnet: sometime .exe's are really just zip files. what does `file /path/to/verdan32.exe` say? |
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| 20:41.20 | _entr0py | Hello, I lost my root partition. but /var, /usr, /usr/local are safe. I wonder if I could salvage list of installed packages from those? |
| 20:41.35 | steampunkey | hey people, is there a chrome/ium port to GNU/Linux that is free and free of Google's spyware? |
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| 20:42.42 | tome_away | steampunkey, what spyware exactly are you referring to? |
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| 20:43.22 | steampunkey | i heard Google collects data about pages you visit etc. Nothing out of the ordinary when you use their search engine |
| 20:43.23 | jordanm | tome_away: google analytics stuff |
| 20:43.29 | steampunkey | yes |
| 20:43.41 | jordanm | steampunkey: that is an "opt out" thing.. but I am sure some of it is still present |
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| 20:44.02 | latenite | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:44.14 | jordanm | steampunkey: chromium was uploaded to experimental recently, but as it stands, it likely won't build on anything other than sid |
| 20:44.25 | steampunkey | well there are forks on Win without that stuff, so I'm wondering if there's something for GNU/Linux, and why there is no package for Debian for it? |
| 20:44.40 | steampunkey | jordanm: oh? didn't know that, thanks. |
| 20:44.49 | jordanm | !wnpp |
| 20:44.49 | dpkg | For information on packages which are not in Debian but you think should be, check the Work-Needing and Prospective Packages list at http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp Also use the script wnpp-alert (from the <devscripts> package) to see what packages you are using that are in need of help. |
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| 20:44.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | _entr0py, you can |
| 20:45.01 | jordanm | steampunkey: look for the RFP/ITP for chromium |
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| 20:45.51 | _entr0py | CutMeOwnThroat: Please tell me how |
| 20:45.56 | valdyn | _entr0py: thats in /var/lib/dpkg/status |
| 20:46.06 | jordanm | latenite: because ls actually finishes... when you do that you telling it to run a command, wait until its finished, and then return to your current shell. the "chroot" proc never finishes until you kill it |
| 20:46.06 | gps23 | hi |
| 20:46.16 | gps23 | how can i use testing packages in debian? |
| 20:46.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | ah, right |
| 20:46.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | did he say /var? |
| 20:46.38 | _entr0py | valdyn: So, if I copy that file & then import it .. that should do it? |
| 20:46.51 | valdyn | _entr0py: no |
| 20:47.02 | steampunkey | if it's in sid, that's cool, it's coming. however, i hope Debian did the right thing to mod down some of the Google "features". |
| 20:47.18 | latenite | jordanm, ohh ok :) so how would I do what I want. (chrooting remotely) |
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| 20:47.33 | jordanm | latenite: ssh to the server, then chroot |
| 20:47.40 | _entr0py | valdyn: Please point me to a guide / document on how to do it |
| 20:47.49 | jordanm | latenite: or configure ssh to put that user inside the chroot |
| 20:48.21 | valdyn | _entr0py: replace all "installed" with "not-installed" in your new debian and then run apt-get -f install, i think |
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| 20:49.08 | valdyn | _entr0py: look at the file, the Status: lines |
| 20:49.11 | steampunkey | thx for help once again. Drafted web, here I come! |
| 20:49.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | or I guess he could temporarily replace /var/lib/status/dpkg with the one from the old system and run dpkg --get-selections? |
| 20:49.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | (and save that into a file) |
| 20:49.35 | latenite | jordanm, put that user inside the chroot....??? what do you mean by that? I want to run a script on my local macine that ssh's into a ramote machine and doeas a chroot |
| 20:49.43 | _entr0py | CutMeOwnThroat: I wondered if somehting like that could be done |
| 20:49.59 | jordanm | latenite: look at the ChrootDirectory in man sshd_config |
| 20:50.01 | valdyn | both should work, both are equally easy |
| 20:50.15 | _entr0py | valdyn: Thank you, I'll try! |
| 20:50.23 | _entr0py | CutMeOwnThroat: Thank you, too! |
| 20:50.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think my version is slightly safer... |
| 20:50.41 | valdyn | depending on your sed-foo |
| 20:50.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | well - don't you suggest he replaces the existing status file with an edited one from the old system? |
| 20:51.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | so what if your new system has packages installed that the old system didn't? |
| 20:51.18 | latenite | jordanm, I cant edit anything in there it is a liveCD |
| 20:51.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | they'll not be in the database anymore |
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| 20:51.36 | valdyn | CutMeOwnThroat: not a problem |
| 20:51.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | which would be not good(TM) |
| 20:51.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | why not? |
| 20:51.57 | jordanm | latenite: you can edit things on a livecd... the files exist in RAM |
| 20:52.08 | valdyn | CutMeOwnThroat: because trying to install a package that doesnt exist is not a problem |
| 20:52.14 | jordanm | latenite: on a running livecd I mean |
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| 20:52.45 | valdyn | CutMeOwnThroat: oh, you are right |
| 20:52.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | valdyn, no - I mean the new system might have packages installed that the old one doesn't - so then you replace the status file with the edited one..? |
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| 20:52.51 | valdyn | CutMeOwnThroat: yea |
| 20:52.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | or did you suggest something different? |
| 20:52.59 | valdyn | CutMeOwnThroat: no |
| 20:53.01 | spersaud | when is Squeeze gonna be released ? |
| 20:53.07 | _entr0py | Since I didn't have /etc mounted on other partition, I guess I lost my 'apt/sources.lst' for good? |
| 20:53.13 | jordanm | latenite: so you're obviously doing something wacky to install gentoo via a script remotely.... does any of this have something to do with debian? |
| 20:53.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | _entr0py, there's nothing special in that, though |
| 20:53.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | _entr0py, you can /msg dpkg sources.list about the format of the lines that go in there |
| 20:53.59 | latenite | my live system is grml (debian based) |
| 20:54.21 | jordanm | latenite: and your using it to install gentoo? |
| 20:54.43 | latenite | jordanm, i am :) |
| 20:55.02 | _entr0py | CutMeOwnThroat: but how do I do that on the borked system? |
| 20:55.07 | jordanm | latenite: I recommend a different channel. #bash or #gentoo |
| 20:55.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | _entr0py, ? |
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| 20:56.49 | _entr0py | CutMeOwnThroat: I meant, is there a way to salvage old sources.lst file |
| 20:56.50 | latenite | jordanm, ok thank you so far :9 |
| 20:57.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | _entr0py, you don't need to - there's nothing important in it |
| 20:57.42 | _entr0py | CutMeOwnThroat: okay. |
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| 20:57.49 | anddam | hello |
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| 20:58.28 | jhford | is unstable closer to stable than testing? |
| 20:59.04 | gps23 | jhford: nope, its farther |
| 20:59.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | jhford, no |
| 20:59.19 | jhford | so a package goes unstable->testing->stable? |
| 20:59.20 | anddam | what's the smallest package I can install in order to have a working X environment? |
| 20:59.31 | anddam | "xorg" ? |
| 20:59.34 | abrotman | jhford: no |
| 20:59.47 | jhford | also, does anyone know why the e1000e driver doesn't work on stable? |
| 20:59.52 | zleap | what does damn small linux use |
| 20:59.53 | gps23 | jhford: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debian#Development_procedures |
| 20:59.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | jhford, new packages go to unstable, if no severe bugs turn up within a couple of weeks, they go to testing. They go into stable whenever stable is released (about every 2nd year) |
| 21:00.05 | jhford | thanks :0 |
| 21:00.07 | jhford | *:) |
| 21:00.12 | abrotman | jhford: a package goes unstable->testing (assuming no freeze) .. then when a new version of debian is released, testing becomes stable |
| 21:00.15 | abrotman | zleap: ask them |
| 21:00.20 | zleap | ok |
| 21:00.56 | abrotman | jhford: depends on the device in question .. you might want to try the kernel from backports.org |
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| 21:01.33 | zleap | abrotman, http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/packages.html |
| 21:01.56 | zleap | looks like xfree86-common 4.2.1-3 X Window System (XFree86) infrastructure |
| 21:02.02 | zleap | plus various small clients |
| 21:02.49 | abrotman | zleap: this is #debian ... |
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| 21:03.07 | zleap | dsl is debian based |
| 21:03.13 | abrotman | lots of things are |
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| 21:03.29 | abrotman | Debian hasn't had xfree86 in .. five years? |
| 21:03.32 | themill | dpkg: tell zleap about based on debian |
| 21:03.52 | zleap | ok |
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| 21:04.05 | zleap | it is designed to be small, under 50mb |
| 21:04.08 | abrotman | anddam: really, the easiest way to have a owrking xorg is to install the 'xorg' metapackage |
| 21:04.19 | anddam | xorg, thanks |
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| 21:05.09 | zleap | themill, ok thanks for the heads up, i was trying to help |
| 21:05.12 | abrotman | anddam: if you really try, you can do it other ways, but it usually leads to a good amount of frustration |
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| 21:05.31 | abrotman | zleap: but telling someone to use 'xfree86-common' on any debian release from the last four years doesn't help |
| 21:05.46 | zleap | ok |
| 21:05.49 | zleap | sorry, |
| 21:06.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | jhford, e1000e of older kernels doesn't support some of the newer graphics cards (although this is the driver that does support them in later versions) |
| 21:06.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | s/graphics/network/ |
| 21:06.21 | cmatheson | rather than adding a gpg key with apt-key, can i just put the key in /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d ? (or what is that folder for?) |
| 21:06.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | what was I thinking? |
| 21:06.33 | jhford | CutMeOwnThroat: thanks for the info :) |
| 21:06.46 | jhford | was wondering why the e1000e driver complained that there was no card |
| 21:07.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, kernels |
| 21:07.02 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.33-2-686 (2.6.33-1~experimental.5); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-12); squeeze: 2.6.32-3-686 (2.6.32-9); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.4-686 (2.6.32-11~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-21lenny4); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
| 21:07.07 | kuber | gotta love it when a sysadmin cant figure out why a cronjob keeps sending him failure emails so he just adds a >dev/null to it |
| 21:07.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | jhford, "/msg dpkg bpo" and get the 2.6.32-bpo.4-686 kernel from backports |
| 21:08.22 | jhford | CutMeOwnThroat: thanks :) what are kernel packages called in debian? |
| 21:09.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | jhford, just search for them... "apt-cache search 2.6.32-bpo", if you already have backports enabled |
| 21:09.22 | jhford | thanks |
| 21:09.28 | keith4 | CutMeOwnThroat: you mean 2.6.30? |
| 21:09.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | no? |
| 21:09.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | is there a reason I should mean that? |
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| 21:10.21 | keith4 | CutMeOwnThroat: because 2.6.32 isn't in backports? |
| 21:10.25 | aiux | , kernels |
| 21:10.28 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.33-2-686 (2.6.33-1~experimental.5); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-12); squeeze: 2.6.32-3-686 (2.6.32-9); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.4-686 (2.6.32-11~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-21lenny4); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
| 21:10.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | aiux, I just did that 3 minutes ago |
| 21:10.47 | keith4 | wtf? packages.debian.org lies to me! |
| 21:11.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | if you care to guide your eyes a little further up the screen... |
| 21:11.14 | keith4 | ugh. nevermind! sorry. i'm ... yes |
| 21:11.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 21:11.22 | keith4 | it's been a long day |
| 21:11.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | not yet |
| 21:11.55 | keith4 | i typed "2.6.3" instead of "2.6.32"... and.... http://packages.debian.org/search?suite=lenny-backports&keywords=linux-image-2.6.3 |
| 21:12.00 | aiux | !win CutMeOwnThroat |
| 21:12.00 | dpkg | Congratulations, CutMeOwnThroat! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 21:12.08 | keith4 | ya know... didn't read the giant "Your keyword was too generic..." message |
| 21:12.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | \o/ |
| 21:12.23 | jhford | thanks for the help :D |
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| 21:12.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | now I can.... well, do whatever one does with AOL CDs |
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| 21:13.40 | Amadiro | Good evening, again. I'm having an application that requires the "identify" command from the imagemagick package, however installing the imagemagick package also requires GTK+ and all the GTK+ dependencies to be installed, which is quite a bunch. Is there any way around this, or will I have to build imagemagick manually? |
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| 21:14.36 | anddam | bye |
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| 21:15.18 | jhford | i installed the kernel and it didn't show up in grub even though it said it would :( |
| 21:15.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | Amadiro, I don't see that it requires gtk |
| 21:15.49 | keith4 | it requires a *pile* of libraries, but not gtk |
| 21:15.58 | keith4 | or, is that what you mean? |
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| 21:16.11 | Gendo | hi |
| 21:16.21 | Gendo | can someone give me a hand? |
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| 21:16.27 | Amadiro | CutMeOwnThroat, it says it requires libgtk2.0-0, libgtk2.0-bin and libgtk2.0-common on my system. |
| 21:16.27 | keith4 | !ask |
| 21:16.27 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 21:16.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | he specifically named gtk... and while it does require libgtk and it doesn't do that... |
| 21:16.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | Amadiro, where does it say so? |
| 21:17.27 | Amadiro | CutMeOwnThroat, apt tells me it will need to install those packages in order to install imagemagick. |
| 21:17.46 | Amadiro | CutMeOwnThroat, should I pastebin the shell session? |
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| 21:18.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | libmagick10 depends on libgtk2.0-0 |
| 21:19.25 | Amadiro | So it does. |
| 21:19.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | is space actually _so_ tight? |
| 21:19.51 | Gendo | hi i am trying to install debian for the first time athough i have already install ubuntu-frebsd and other distros on a hp mini 1000 1030nr throuch the LENNY net-install which after almost to hours of downloading packages and installing them reports "error while installing a package" and redirects me to the main page so i try to install again now it shows the same window after 1% , how can i fix it , i mean shuld i have taken any special consideratrions whi |
| 21:19.51 | Gendo | le installing debian on a netbook |
| 21:19.58 | Amadiro | CutMeOwnThroat, well.. not really.. but I would prefer to keep the system clean, if at all possible. |
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| 21:20.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | libgtk2.0-0 Installed-Size: 6208 |
| 21:20.47 | Gendo | ? |
| 21:20.50 | Amadiro | 92MiB with all dependencies, CutMeOwnThroat |
| 21:20.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | Amadiro, well... clean is relative - I'd think you keep it cleaner by not messing with the package system |
| 21:21.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | than by doing weird tweaks you can't remember in half a year |
| 21:21.15 | Gendo | someone? |
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| 21:21.46 | keith4 | Gendo: go the tty4 (i think). there will be more detailed information there |
| 21:21.50 | Amadiro | CutMeOwnThroat, I'll look around for alternative packages, if I can't find any, I'll have to bite in the sour apple. Thanks a bunch. |
| 21:22.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | Amadiro, well, there's graphikmagick... |
| 21:22.13 | Amadiro | CutMeOwnThroat, I was just looking at that. |
| 21:22.15 | Gendo | whar is tty4 |
| 21:22.17 | Gendo | ? |
| 21:22.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | he means press alt-F4 |
| 21:22.38 | Amadiro | it doesn't really seem to have much less dependencies, unfortunately. |
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| 21:22.53 | Gendo | i mean has any of the people reading this tryed to install debian on a netbook |
| 21:22.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | no... they're pretty much equivalent in everything, I think |
| 21:23.14 | Gendo | thanks |
| 21:23.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's a rewrite for one reason or another and I can't recall the details of why etc. by now |
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| 21:24.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | Amadiro, I actually wonder why libmagick10 depends on gtk now... |
| 21:25.15 | Amadiro | CutMeOwnThroat, it should surely be possible to compile a version that doesn't. |
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| 21:25.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | Amadiro, sure, you can do that... you can "/msg dpkg package recompile" for that |
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| 21:26.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | but I'd think it's not worth the bother if there's no really compelling reason to do it |
| 21:26.14 | Amadiro | CutMeOwnThroat, nah, It's okay, I just installed all the deps. But thanks. |
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| 21:27.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think it depends on it, because one of the modules in libmagick10 is used for "display" |
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| 21:28.00 | Amadiro | CutMeOwnThroat, I don't know how this kind of situation is preferably handled in debian-world, but maybe someone could make a imagemagick-nox package or sth. like that. |
| 21:28.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | Amadiro, you could file a bug if you think so |
| 21:28.34 | Amadiro | Okay, I'll do that when I've finished the task at hand. |
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| 21:32.20 | bodom | Hello, may someone help me solve this snmp issue? http://pastebin.com/AmzvAMgV |
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| 21:33.18 | Gendo | hey what kind of installation would you recommend for a netbook |
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| 21:33.30 | Gendo | maybe i can download the files to my server |
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| 21:33.45 | Gendo | and install them forom there cant i |
| 21:33.46 | Gendo | ? |
| 21:33.59 | zrin | is there a way to release device that was used in md-raid and was not released due to segfault in mdadm? |
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| 21:44.44 | DeathWolf | hello all, when I installed 2.6.32 it asked me if I wanted to convert dev names to uids or something, and I Stupidely skipped, how can I ru n again that script? |
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| 21:45.03 | abrotman | dpkg-reconfigure of that package probably |
| 21:45.15 | DeathWolf | I thought so, but it must have been one of the kernel deps |
| 21:45.18 | DeathWolf | not the linux-image itself |
| 21:45.22 | DeathWolf | and I can't remember which |
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| 21:46.23 | abrotman | so see which packages were installed around the same time |
| 21:46.36 | _entr0py | I want to run 'testing' since this is purely new installation, what do I add to repos other than replacing lenny with 'testing'? |
| 21:47.25 | abrotman | you don't replace it with 'testing' .. use 'squeeze' |
| 21:48.10 | _entr0py | abrotman: Replace all instances of Lenny with squeeze? |
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| 21:48.35 | DeathWolf | how do I view packages install dates? |
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| 21:52.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | Gendo, you didn't give us any specific error. If the kernel-version would be the reason, you could /msg dpkg kmuto |
| 21:52.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | DeathWolf, /var/log/dpkg.log |
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| 21:53.03 | DeathWolf | damn, so starting with recent linux-base, one has to pass uuids... |
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| 21:53.51 | DeathWolf | where can I find disk uuids? |
| 21:54.38 | frostschutz | DeathWolf: in /dev/disk/by-uuid/ for example |
| 21:54.54 | DeathWolf | thanks |
| 21:55.06 | DeathWolf | and... waht's the name of the uuid parameter for the kernel?:) |
| 21:55.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | Amadiro, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=470671 |
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| 21:55.45 | frostschutz | there is no uuid kernel parameter. if Debian's initrd understands one, I don't know about it :) |
| 21:56.05 | Amadiro | CutMeOwnThroat, ah, nice. |
| 21:56.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | Amadiro, also, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=474993 |
| 21:56.18 | DeathWolf | let's say that when I try to boot 2.6.32 instead of 2.6.30 it goes http://saber.kawaii-shoujo.net/Various/SS-13-05-2010-23.39.17.png |
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| 21:58.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | Amadiro, and "We could create a nox package but you will loose the ability to convert wmf and svg. Please read blocking bug. " |
| 21:58.39 | Amadiro | CutMeOwnThroat, yeah, reading that right now. Wouldn't matter much for me, but I can see how that is a problem. |
| 21:58.59 | tuvwx | why is the cron facility disabled in the default rsyslog.conf? |
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| 22:01.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | I don't understand why that is... |
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| 22:05.57 | Amadiro | CutMeOwnThroat, me neither. It would seem cairo should be enough to convert svgs. |
| 22:06.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | anyway - this means you run testing... how wise is that for a server? |
| 22:06.24 | Amadiro | and AFAIK cairo doesn't depend on GTK+, only on pango and that kind of stuff. |
| 22:06.34 | zrin | how can I find out what is using a device? |
| 22:06.37 | DeathWolf | wonders if kinit is mounting up the wrong partition... would explain it failing everything |
| 22:07.02 | \amethyst | yeah, it's the other way around---gtk depends on cairo |
| 22:07.55 | \amethyst | also, cairo doesn't depend on pango---that's also the other way around |
| 22:08.42 | Amadiro | \amethyst, ah. I thought cairo needs pango for font rendering. |
| 22:09.00 | DeathWolf | oh fun, just setting root=/dev/sda1 was enough |
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| 22:11.04 | Winkie | so i'm having an interesting issue with a machine on a mini-itx board |
| 22:11.08 | Winkie | it is dying, occasionally rebooting at random |
| 22:11.20 | Winkie | and this time, i left it on its own, and it eventually came back up with this lovely message |
| 22:11.22 | Winkie | [782294.568578] Clocksource tsc unstable (delta = 2999419826575 ns) |
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| 22:11.50 | Winkie | anyone seen that before? It's not going to be debian only but this is as good a place as any, and it is running lenny |
| 22:12.24 | muddd | is the cpu fan working? |
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| 22:12.41 | Winkie | haha yes, pretty sure anyway |
| 22:12.50 | Winkie | i'm quite a few miles away from it, and all the readings look normal |
| 22:13.07 | jordanm | Winkie: what does uname -a say? |
| 22:13.18 | Winkie | Linux router1 2.6.26-2-486 #1 Tue Mar 9 17:10:34 UTC 2010 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 22:13.38 | jordanm | Winkie: why 486? |
| 22:13.40 | Winkie | should probably stick -686 on there |
| 22:14.03 | Winkie | jordanm: no idea, they were installed quickly as a stopgap |
| 22:14.15 | Winkie | they're two mini itx boxes in a dual 1u chassis |
| 22:14.22 | Winkie | and the left hand one (#1) keeps dying |
| 22:14.25 | Winkie | we replaced them |
| 22:14.28 | Winkie | and the symptoms are identical |
| 22:14.38 | Winkie | so god knows what's going on with them :D |
| 22:14.45 | muddd | i'm finding alot of hits on google for: Clocksource tsc unstable |
| 22:14.50 | jordanm | Winkie: yes, most likely. I would start with moving to -686. next step, disable acpi and see if still occurs |
| 22:14.59 | jordanm | Winkie: if so, try a newer kernel from lenny-backports |
| 22:15.12 | Winkie | jordanm: seems reasonable, i'm gonna check out bios updates next time i'm at the site, because you never know |
| 22:15.29 | Winkie | muddd: unfortunately it's rather a catchall error, i couldn't see any with such a massive delta |
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| 22:17.40 | Winkie | jordanm: i'll probably be back in about 1.5 weeks when it dies randomly again, although it can be as little as 10 mins lol |
| 22:18.05 | dupondje | whats the average time for a kernel rebuild ? :P |
| 22:18.31 | Winkie | dupondje: depends on your hardware, make a cup of tea :) |
| 22:18.45 | dupondje | Quad i7 |
| 22:18.49 | dupondje | and then it uses 1 core :) |
| 22:18.57 | kornholi | make -j 8 |
| 22:19.00 | Winkie | yeah -j |
| 22:19.02 | jordanm | dupondje: thats because you didn't specify -j |
| 22:19.08 | Winkie | but still make a cup of tea |
| 22:19.15 | dupondje | its xsltproc |
| 22:19.18 | jordanm | dupondje: I would estimate 30min |
| 22:19.21 | dupondje | gcc will take all power normally :p |
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| 22:20.16 | jordanm | dupondje: generally you want a -j option of n + 1 number of cores |
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| 22:20.41 | Winkie | jordanm: i should have mentioned that i do have identical hardware using -486 without issue, but there can be bios/firmware issues i guess |
| 22:20.41 | Winkie | anyhow |
| 22:20.44 | Winkie | Linux router1 2.6.26-2-686 #1 SMP Tue Mar 9 17:35:51 UTC 2010 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 22:20.48 | Winkie | lets see what happens |
| 22:21.09 | Winkie | i guess this one gets a lot more i/o load too |
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| 22:26.12 | dupondje | writing those notes takes hours :( |
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| 22:30.06 | thepro4e1er | GO DEBIAN! |
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| 22:35.40 | thepro4e1er | does debian use rpm packages? |
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| 22:38.28 | SoulSeller | thepro4e1er, it is possible to install rpm packages with alien. |
| 22:38.57 | jordanm | but not recommended... |
| 22:39.28 | jordanm | I would be more trusting of something like checkinstall |
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| 22:41.47 | mmnicolas | how is debian squeeze usability ? |
| 22:42.11 | mmnicolas | i mean, stability, does it break often these days ? |
| 22:42.21 | mmnicolas | or is it about to be declared stable ? |
| 22:42.34 | tuvwx | mmnicolas: squeeze is still testing. debian testing is as stable as it gets for a desktop system |
| 22:42.50 | tuvwx | *for an up-to-date desktop system - i should say |
| 22:43.03 | dupondje | fakeroot -j 8 -f debian/rules binary |
| 22:43.07 | dupondje | thats goes FAST ! :p |
| 22:43.46 | mmnicolas | tuvwx: you're using it, right ? |
| 22:43.54 | tuvwx | mmnicolas: on multiple machines |
| 22:44.03 | themill | tuvwx, mmnicolas: there's nothing wrong with lenny on the desktop either. All my machines run lenny. |
| 22:44.11 | tuvwx | has been using debian testing for ~5 years |
| 22:44.23 | mmnicolas | yea i need that damn 2.6.32 kernel for all my bluetooth adapters.. :( |
| 22:44.39 | themill | mmnicolas: that's quite easy to do with lenny still. /msg dpkg bpo |
| 22:44.40 | tuvwx | themill: if you're ok with the older versions of packages |
| 22:45.05 | themill | tuvwx: I'd rather be working with my computer than on it. |
| 22:45.17 | mmnicolas | themill: yes but then i can't find precompiled nvidia-kernel modules built for 2.6.32 in the backports |
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| 22:45.37 | themill | mmnicolas: make your own. You'll have to if you use squeeze anyway |
| 22:45.39 | jordanm | mmnicolas: that is what module-assistant is for |
| 22:45.43 | tuvwx | mmnicolas: that's still the case in squeeze, as long as it's testing |
| 22:45.55 | mmnicolas | last time i tried it didnt build at all |
| 22:46.11 | tuvwx | mmnicolas: get the nvidia-source packages from sid |
| 22:46.12 | jordanm | mmnicolas: well, what did the logs say? |
| 22:46.34 | mmnicolas | jordanm: euh.. Error 1, Error 2 :P |
| 22:46.40 | tuvwx | mmnicolas: actually, nvidia-source and nvidia-glx |
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| 22:46.50 | mmnicolas | ok you got me, ill try it out |
| 22:47.02 | mmnicolas | lenny with backports it is |
| 22:47.46 | tuvwx | themill: there still an advantage for using testing: you don't ever need to make a massive system upgrade |
| 22:47.50 | jordanm | mmnicolas: if you don't know what you are doing, its much safer to get the needed sid packages from packages.debian.org than adding the sid line to your sources |
| 22:48.20 | jordanm | tuvwx: you mean you do it so frequently you get used to it? |
| 22:48.26 | tuvwx | jordanm: the nvidia compilation errors produced by m-a are cryptic. you'd never guess what's wrong |
| 22:48.54 | Engrish_Man | halp...! i've just installed debian.. (non-graphic) version... and i have no sound at alllll |
| 22:48.55 | jordanm | tuvwx: I disagree... |
| 22:48.56 | themill | tuvwx: I'd rather sit down for an afternoon once every couple of years and do everything than have continual little breakages. |
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| 22:49.03 | Engrish_Man | i have ran alsaconf |
| 22:49.14 | Engrish_Man | discover the driver |
| 22:49.19 | jordanm | !tell Engrish_Man about alsa checklist |
| 22:49.24 | tuvwx | jordanm: no, you do it in small steps so you're not puzzled about the source of a problem if something breaks, and that is an if clause that is rarely reached |
| 22:49.25 | Engrish_Man | and everything.... |
| 22:49.38 | Engrish_Man | but no sound at all (alsamixer is check also) |
| 22:49.41 | jordanm | Engrish_Man: follow the checklist from dpkg's pm |
| 22:49.52 | Engrish_Man | ok |
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| 22:50.22 | icebrain | runs Sid for more than an year, has found no important breakage |
| 22:51.00 | jordanm | tuvwx: yes, like the entire day I spent on the xorg transition to HAL in a rolling release distro when I needed my laptop to work for school |
| 22:51.40 | icebrain | jordanm: why have you upgraded when you needed a working laptop? |
| 22:51.45 | Engrish_Man | anyway.... what packages do i have to installed in order to work (the sound) |
| 22:52.13 | Engrish_Man | alsa-base alsa-utils esound |
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| 22:53.03 | jordanm | icebrain: at the time, I had bad SNS, and because it was gentoo and it took _hours_ for a weekly upgrade on my laptop.... I would do it overnight |
| 22:53.53 | icebrain | jordanm: SNS? |
| 22:53.58 | jordanm | !sns |
| 22:53.59 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
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| 22:55.08 | mmnicolas | jordanm: i like that |
| 22:55.24 | icebrain | well, I keep regular backups on my NAS, so I can revert any upgrade breakage in 15 mins. Never needed it, though |
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| 22:55.52 | Engrish_Man | its working .... holy sh*t |
| 22:55.57 | tuvwx | jordanm: that was your one-afternoon-every-two-years |
| 22:56.05 | Engrish_Man | im afraid to restart... is gonna go all wrong again |
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| 22:59.38 | jordanm | tuvwx: that was a single example. most problems were not as long and difficult to fix but I had them... at one point fglrx dropped support for my card and I had start putting a hold on xorg. I am about 9mos into lenny on the desktop and 0 upgrade breakage to report. When the big upgrade does come, it will be with detailed release notes over safe upgrading |
| 22:59.56 | jordanm | !lenny release notes |
| 22:59.57 | dpkg | lenny release notes is probably at http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/releasenotes . See also http://bugs.debian.org/release-notes and http://wiki.debian.org/NewInLenny . Also ask me about <i-g>, <installer firmware>, <etch->lenny key>, <errata>. |
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| 23:01.56 | tuvwx | jordanm: i'm by no means saying that testing is as good as stable. i'm just saying, for a desktop that is desired to be up-to-date, it is reliable enough |
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| 23:03.00 | themill | tuvwx: the question "does it break often" still has to be answered with "yes" however. |
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| 23:04.22 | tuvwx | themill: not if you know what you're doing. a lot of xorg packages being upgraded is an indication of a major upgrade. consult google. wait a week or two. that's the most intrusive precaution i had to make |
| 23:04.58 | tuvwx | themill: daily blind upgrades will probably get you in trouble, admittedly |
| 23:05.03 | themill | tuvwx: I think you're missing the point here.... please don't encourage people in #debian to upgrade to testing. |
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| 23:06.18 | sepult | is squeeze due already ? |
| 23:06.27 | tuvwx | themill: i'm not encouraging any body. i'm stating that it is (or maybe i should say: it can be) usable 99% of the time - at least according to my experience. |
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| 23:06.50 | sepult | stable is still lenny not ? |
| 23:06.57 | tuvwx | sepult: yes |
| 23:06.58 | sepult | or is it already in frozen ? |
| 23:07.03 | sepult | oh ok thank you |
| 23:07.03 | fefo | moreless |
| 23:07.04 | fefo | ;) |
| 23:07.12 | fefo | it's not so stable for me |
| 23:07.33 | sepult | nope, i have problems in offline mode too |
| 23:08.19 | sepult | i mean whithout an ethernet cable plugged in |
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| 23:08.57 | tuvwx | themill: my counter point against using stable for a desktop is that: sometimes old software breaks thing, even if it works on its own. i run into situations where i can't do what i want unless i have a recent version of a package |
| 23:09.26 | tuvwx | themill: and backports are not comprehensive |
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| 23:10.06 | themill | tuvwx: I've hit that situation precisely once. |
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| 23:10.26 | sepult | what may be the cause of not reaching the router ? |
| 23:10.47 | tuvwx | themill: well, i haven't hit the breakage situation ever in a few years. that doesn't mean it can't happen |
| 23:10.53 | Bushmills | "whithout an ethernet cable plugged in" maybe that |
| 23:10.53 | sepult | it is not responding, though my connection works... |
| 23:10.57 | jordanm | sepult: not having an ethernet cable pluggied in? |
| 23:11.14 | sepult | jordanm: nope, that's untrue |
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| 23:11.44 | icebrain | sepult: internet works, direct connection to router doesn't? |
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| 23:12.03 | icebrain | are you sure you're using the right IP? |
| 23:12.10 | sepult | jordanm: i have a wireless able router with 4 ehternet hubs, plugged in and working, however i don't get any response of 192.168.0.1 or netconnect.box |
| 23:12.59 | jordanm | sepult: you have a 192.168.0.x IP? |
| 23:13.10 | sepult | i am wired though, the wireles is non-functional cause i don't have a card for it |
| 23:13.18 | sepult | jordanm: jep |
| 23:13.46 | jordanm | sepult: what version of debian are you running? |
| 23:14.09 | sepult | i mean i don't use wireless, though it is supposedly working as the router shows the blue signal that it is |
| 23:14.40 | sepult | jordanm: lenny, or 5.0.1 or 5.0.4 i don't know for sure though |
| 23:15.17 | SoulSeller | sepult, cat /etc/debian_version |
| 23:15.48 | sepult | it shows 5.0.4 |
| 23:16.14 | SoulSeller | Then you're running Lenny. |
| 23:16.22 | jordanm | sepult: back to icebrain's questions that you didn't answer |
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| 23:17.21 | jordanm | sepult: internet is working but you the router is not responding to pings? |
| 23:17.22 | sepult | icebrain asked me ? |
| 23:17.38 | serverupao | hello |
| 23:17.45 | sepult | my eyes must have skipped it |
| 23:17.45 | icebrain | hi sepult |
| 23:17.50 | icebrain | sorry, serverupao |
| 23:17.51 | sepult | hello |
| 23:17.59 | baba_bubba | hello |
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| 23:18.08 | icebrain | !greet baba_bubba |
| 23:18.08 | dpkg | Gr33tz, baba_bubba |
| 23:18.13 | Engrish_Man | hi... how can i change the x11 keymap layout_??? |
| 23:18.21 | jordanm | !keymap |
| 23:18.21 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap", or ask me about <drxx> or use kcontrol, gnome-control-center or similar. For setting up X keymaps, also check out xkeycaps and xev, or ask me about <multimedia keys>. In console you can also use "loadkeys" for once-only/temporary adjustments. |
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| 23:19.58 | sepult | icebrain: ask again please, i can't scroll back cause my buffer is truncated to such and such lines or so... |
| 23:20.00 | sepult | sorry |
| 23:21.18 | jordanm | sepult: internet is working but you the router is not responding to pings? |
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| 23:22.16 | sepult | if the router is on the address 192.168.0.1 then it is responding to pings.. |
| 23:22.36 | jordanm | sepult: what is the problem then? |
| 23:22.54 | sepult | ping works also for netconnect.box; ping netconnect.box works too on console |
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| 23:23.02 | sepult | so |
| 23:23.13 | sepult | why does the browsers fail then ? |
| 23:23.26 | sepult | s/does/do |
| 23:23.45 | icebrain | you want to connect to the router's web interface? |
| 23:23.51 | jordanm | sepult: likely because netconnect.box is not hosting http services or refusing your connection |
| 23:24.07 | sepult | right icebrain, that was my attempt |
| 23:24.10 | jordanm | sepult: nmap -sS -p80 192.168.0.1 |
| 23:25.01 | sepult | port 80 is open |
| 23:25.29 | sepult | even the vendor is mentioned, sphairon |
| 23:25.45 | sepult | but the browsers fail... |
| 23:26.24 | sepult | or is the webn interface only served via wlan ? |
| 23:26.31 | sepult | could it be ? |
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| 23:27.23 | jordanm | sepult: typically it is the opposite |
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| 23:30.19 | sepult | oh now i get a response, 503 service temporarily overloaded from a thttpd server |
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| 23:31.17 | boxxertrumps | so, i'm using the desktop sharing program in KDE4 to control my desktop from my latop |
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| 23:32.19 | boxxertrumps | but the picture doesn't update on my laptop, but all the input from my laptop is sent through |
| 23:32.40 | boxxertrumps | i'm typing this on a keyboard attached to my laptop, and the monitor is connected to my desktop |
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| 23:44.27 | boxxertrumps | i haven't been able to find any bugs about this, if anyone seees something could you PM me? i'm off for the night. thankyou. |
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| 23:48.00 | unkmar | !upgrade |
| 23:48.00 | dpkg | methinks upgrade is what keeps your box from getting r00ted, or what you do with apt-get. Do an apt-get update first, and then an apt-get upgrade. Ask me about <security>. If you upgrade to a new stable version, read the release notes first. Ask me about <etch->lenny> <lenny->squeeze>. |
| 23:48.26 | unkmar | !upgrade lenny->squeeze |
| 23:48.41 | unkmar | !lenny->squeeze |
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| 23:49.00 | unkmar | !<lenny->squeeze> |
| 23:49.11 | unkmar | !upgrade| unkmar |
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| 23:50.30 | themill | dpkg: tell unkmar about lenny->squeeze |
| 23:50.49 | unkmar | that didn't work. |
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| 23:51.27 | unkmar | that might work. |
| 23:51.30 | unkmar | thank you. |
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| 23:58.46 | Bop | anyone with lenny and experimental kernels ? |
| 23:59.05 | Bop | cant install, not sure if isntalling linux-base will damage my system |
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| 23:59.17 | jordanm | ,kernels |
| 23:59.17 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.33-2-686 (2.6.33-1~experimental.5); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-12); squeeze: 2.6.32-3-686 (2.6.32-9); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.4-686 (2.6.32-11~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-21lenny4); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
| 23:59.33 | jordanm | Bop: do you have to have .33? .32 from backports will not work? |
| 23:59.44 | Bop | .32 will hang my machine |
