| 00:00.04 | Bop | 30 is stable but it haves some latency , from time to time |
| 00:00.09 | Bop | so i want to try 33 |
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| 00:01.04 | jordanm | Bop: lets see the output |
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| 00:01.24 | Bop | what output kernel ? |
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| 00:03.36 | Bop | jordanm, machine hangs , no logs |
| 00:04.09 | jordanm | Bop: I mean your issue with installin the experimental kernel |
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| 00:04.47 | Bop | jordanm, linux-image-2.6.33-2-686: Depends: linux-base (>= 2.6.33-1~experimental.5) but it is not installable |
| 00:05.09 | Bop | i dont know if , i update the linux-base will damage my previous 2.6.30 kernels |
| 00:05.19 | Bop | and i stay with system unbootable |
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| 00:05.38 | DeathWolf | is there anyone doing unbranded generic 2.6.33/2.6.34 kernels? |
| 00:05.59 | Bop | 2.6.33 u have in experimental |
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| 00:06.24 | DeathWolf | I tried adding it but it screamed at deps |
| 00:06.38 | gauge | Say, I have a number of backed up bookmarks I need to organise. Does anyone here have a perfered method of opening/editing .json files? |
| 00:07.54 | unkmar | gauge: I don't know what a .json file looks like. |
| 00:08.13 | DeathWolf | nothing surprising since I'm not in experimental but basically: linux-image-2.6.33-2-686: Depends: linux-base (>= 2.6.33-1~experimental.5) but 2.6.32-12 is to be installed |
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| 00:08.32 | gauge | unkmar: I believe they resemble xml files. |
| 00:09.30 | jordanm | gauge: looks like there is json-mode for emacs |
| 00:09.32 | Bop | DeathWolf, u with lenny or sid ? |
| 00:09.55 | DeathWolf | sid |
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| 00:10.35 | klh | howto mount ext4 partition in ext3 ? |
| 00:11.12 | DeathWolf | I am fairly surprised it did not find linux-base exp |
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| 00:13.31 | f00bar80 | when i press alt+F1 or alt+F2 or ctrl+F2 or ctrl+F1 , i can't open a terminal any comment ? |
| 00:13.43 | DeathWolf | ctrl+alt+F1/F2? |
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| 00:14.08 | themill | ,versions linux-base |
| 00:14.10 | judd | linux-base -- sid: 2.6.32-10; lenny-backports: 2.6.32-11~bpo50+1; sid: 2.6.32-11; sid: 2.6.32-12; experimental: 2.6.33-1~experimental.3; experimental: 2.6.33-1~experimental.4; experimental: 2.6.33-1~experimental.5 |
| 00:14.16 | themill | DeathWolf: ^^ it exists... |
| 00:14.29 | DeathWolf | how can I tell apt to install it? |
| 00:15.28 | gauge | jordanm: Wicked. Thanks. |
| 00:15.38 | themill | the complete output of "apt-cache policy linux-base linux-image-2.6.33-2-686; aptitude install -t experimental linux-image-2.6.33-2-686" would be handy |
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| 00:16.31 | DeathWolf | ok |
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| 00:17.34 | DeathWolf | mmm 2.6.33-2-686 installs actually |
| 00:17.38 | DeathWolf | it's -5 that does not |
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| 00:17.57 | themill | "-5"? |
| 00:18.03 | DeathWolf | 2.6.33-5 |
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| 00:18.38 | themill | there's no such kernel in debian |
| 00:18.52 | Bop | themill, http://pastebin.com/edM5iHyr |
| 00:19.00 | DeathWolf | mmm right... I must have been mistaken |
| 00:19.07 | \amethyst | 2.6.32-5 you mean? |
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| 00:19.26 | DeathWolf | for some reason aptitude installed it fine |
| 00:19.28 | DeathWolf | apt wouldn't |
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| 00:20.09 | themill | DeathWolf: that's why we recommend aptitude... it's smarter about these sorts of things. |
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| 00:20.58 | themill | Bop: mixing stable and experimental isn't one of the world's most fun hobbies |
| 00:21.47 | Bop | themill, what do u sugest ? compile from source ? |
| 00:22.21 | themill | Bop: grabbing the kernel will probably work, but you need to actually grab all its dependencies as well. |
| 00:22.37 | Bop | yeah , it requests linux-base |
| 00:23.27 | Bop | themill, what's the tool for easy-kernel-building on debian ? |
| 00:24.14 | project2501a | ahoi! GPFS on debian lenny? |
| 00:24.17 | thepro4e1er | how can I tell how much ram I have through debian? |
| 00:24.31 | jordanm | thepro4e1er: free -m |
| 00:24.31 | Bop | thepro4e1er, free |
| 00:24.39 | thepro4e1er | ok i did that and i don't get it |
| 00:24.39 | project2501a | cat /proc/mem |
| 00:24.49 | project2501a | thepro4eler read a book |
| 00:24.52 | project2501a | man free |
| 00:24.57 | thepro4e1er | do i add up the used/free columns under the free row? |
| 00:25.07 | themill | Bop: "kernel-package", but why not also download the linux-base package from experimental? |
| 00:25.08 | thepro4e1er | the physical row i mean |
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| 00:25.20 | thepro4e1er | physical mem |
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| 00:25.31 | project2501a | man free |
| 00:25.47 | Bop | themill, if u can be positive that wont effect my older kernels, i would ... i dont want to stay unbootable |
| 00:25.49 | jordanm | !free ram |
| 00:25.49 | dpkg | Unlike information, your computer's memory does *not* want to be free. Free RAM is wasted RAM! Linux tries to use free physical memory for caching files from disk which speeds up disk access considerably. Linux releases RAM from these caches if programs need it. If you want to know how much physical memory the free(1) tool says you have left for program use, it's 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache'. Also ask me about <swapwake>. |
| 00:25.57 | salvin | is debian-multimedia in usa outlaw? |
| 00:26.17 | themill | Bop: it's in experimental for a reason... |
| 00:26.18 | project2501a | !free kevin mitnick |
| 00:26.43 | project2501a | I'll stop now :) GPFS in linux? |
| 00:26.44 | Bop | themill, right, so i ll try to compile it |
| 00:27.09 | project2501a | s/linux/debian lenny/ |
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| 00:28.07 | salvin | project2501a: ibm GPFS? |
| 00:28.19 | project2501a | Salvin: da |
| 00:28.26 | project2501a | i mean, yes |
| 00:28.28 | jordanm | salvin: some of it might be |
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| 00:30.31 | DeathWolf | ,versions linux-kbuild-2.6.33 |
| 00:30.32 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'linux-kbuild-2.6.33' was found. |
| 00:30.35 | DeathWolf | odd... |
| 00:30.39 | salvin | project2501a: is it gpl? i see GPFS⢠|
| 00:30.47 | nakw | how can i create a simple script Perl/CGI ? |
| 00:30.49 | DeathWolf | linux-headers-2.6.33-2-686: Depends: linux-kbuild-2.6.33 which is a virtual package. <- |
| 00:30.52 | DeathWolf | any ideas? |
| 00:31.14 | project2501a | nakw: http://oreilly.com/perl |
| 00:31.52 | project2501a | salvin: i don't know. apt-cache does not come up with any results |
| 00:31.55 | nakw | i have an example but firefox refuse to run perl interepretor |
| 00:32.05 | project2501a | choose life. |
| 00:32.20 | \amethyst | nakw: you have a web server? |
| 00:32.30 | nakw | apache2 |
| 00:32.42 | \amethyst | nakw: and you're getting the perl source instead of the script being run? |
| 00:32.43 | oOarthurOo | Can I request a Debian cloak, or are those just given to DDs |
| 00:33.02 | \amethyst | nakw: did you put the script in /usr/lib/cgi-bin or somewhere else? |
| 00:33.20 | nakw | no |
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| 00:33.34 | project2501a | apt-get install magic |
| 00:33.34 | DeathWolf | should I just force install a broken package? I remember that causing apt/aptitude to be unhappy after |
| 00:33.34 | nakw | in to directory where is created |
| 00:33.46 | \amethyst | nakw: a directory being served by your web server? |
| 00:33.49 | DeathWolf | I really don't get why headers depend on kbuild but ah well... |
| 00:34.13 | nakw | /var/www ?? |
| 00:34.43 | \amethyst | nakw: in your apache site configuration you'll need to set Options +ExecCGI on the directory where it is located, and also something like AddHandler cgi-script .cgi (where .cgi is the script's extension) |
| 00:35.00 | \amethyst | nakw: #apache will probably be able to help you more |
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| 00:35.48 | \amethyst | nakw: an alternative is to create a ScriptAlias for the directory where it is located; then you'll just need to set Options +ExecCGI on that directory, but you won't need AddHandler |
| 00:36.02 | DeathWolf | mmm, apt-cache search only shows linux-kbuild-2.6.32 ... no linux-kbuild-2.6.33... this is insane |
| 00:36.07 | nakw | ok |
| 00:36.11 | nakw | thank you |
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| 00:37.24 | DeathWolf | ,versions linux-kbuild |
| 00:37.25 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'linux-kbuild' was found. |
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| 00:37.52 | acidchild | Hello, how do i find out who is incharge of a certain mirror? |
| 00:38.09 | acidchild | debian.yorku.ca is giving 403 forbidden errors. |
| 00:38.42 | DeathWolf | http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-kernel@lists.debian.org/msg53933.html ok... bug... |
| 00:38.54 | dvs | acidchild: I switched to ftp.ca.debian.org. York U doesn't seem to be up to date anymore. |
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| 00:39.06 | acidchild | dvs: Thank you :) |
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| 00:39.18 | dvs | acidchild: np |
| 00:40.29 | acidchild | umm, seems to be nice and fast. :) |
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| 00:41.22 | dvs | acidchild: usually. It sometimes fluctuates. |
| 00:41.34 | acidchild | where is it located? do you know *traceroutes* |
| 00:41.46 | dvs | acidchild: Hamilton, Ontario |
| 00:41.52 | dvs | acidchild: some ISP |
| 00:42.05 | acidchild | there is 3 A records for ftp.ca.debian.org. |
| 00:42.43 | acidchild | iweb, mountain cablevision, nrc.ca |
| 00:43.03 | acidchild | dvs: you in the GTA? |
| 00:43.08 | dvs | acidchild: Durham |
| 00:43.15 | acidchild | ah cool :) |
| 00:43.24 | acidchild | The Annex, Toronto here.. |
| 00:43.30 | dvs | ah |
| 00:43.41 | acidchild | so yorku was perfect. |
| 00:43.53 | dvs | acidchild: if it worked... |
| 00:43.54 | peterrooney | nrc is most available |
| 00:44.07 | peterrooney | plus, they've got serious pipes. |
| 00:44.14 | acidchild | yeah for sure :P |
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| 00:44.40 | acidchild | yeah, cogentco bandwidth though :-( |
| 00:46.09 | peterrooney | and a stratum-2 time server... |
| 00:46.36 | peterrooney | omg, i think i just fell in geek love with the NRC all over again. kill me now. |
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| 01:15.55 | ColdStart | hey there |
| 01:16.26 | ColdStart | just wanted to ask for opinion of experienced linux users... which distribution u found fastest? debian or ubuntu, gentoo? |
| 01:17.37 | Tux^verdreifelt | define "fast"? |
| 01:17.45 | CcSsNET | debian, if you count install/configure time compared to gentoo |
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| 01:17.55 | CcSsNET | but from source is the fastest response |
| 01:18.02 | hideo | fast to deploy or fast to run? |
| 01:18.14 | hideo | fast in the least bloat sense... |
| 01:18.17 | jordanm | !gentoosmite ColdStart |
| 01:18.17 | dpkg | spends 8 days recompiling ColdStart, and when it's all done, ColdStart runs 0.7% faster than previously |
| 01:18.31 | CcSsNET | ttylinux |
| 01:18.38 | CcSsNET | least bloated |
| 01:18.47 | hideo | fast in terms of learning curve |
| 01:19.02 | ColdStart | hmm |
| 01:19.13 | ColdStart | ccssNET, what about ubuntu u used it? |
| 01:19.25 | CcSsNET | i cant bare to |
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| 01:19.43 | CcSsNET | 140+ process bah no thx |
| 01:19.52 | ColdStart | what u mean? |
| 01:19.54 | jordanm | !ot |
| 01:19.55 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 01:20.43 | ColdStart | what u mean by 140+ processes? |
| 01:21.01 | CcSsNET | ... |
| 01:21.37 | ColdStart | u mean many stuff runs in background? |
| 01:21.48 | hideo | he meant ubuntu has lots of non-essential craps running |
| 01:22.11 | hideo | but yeah, this is ot |
| 01:22.23 | CcSsNET | yea |
| 01:22.26 | ColdStart | well im running some simulation and digital logic synthesising software, and its quite slow in WindowsXP, i was thinking about porting that stuff to Linux... and wondering how nice is Debian for such stuff |
| 01:22.28 | jordanm | !why debian |
| 01:22.28 | dpkg | Debian strives to maintain your freedom whilst also paying close attention to the technical aspects of making a great OS. Debian is stable, upgradable and well tested. See also http://www.debian.org/intro/free http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ (archived at http://wiki.debian.org/WhyDebian). As an added bonus, you get to ask questions in #debian. |
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| 01:34.35 | DeathWolf | has anyone ever succeeded compiling open-vm's modules? |
| 01:36.22 | DeathWolf | it goes: Makefile:163: Makefile.normal: No such file or directory |
| 01:36.27 | DeathWolf | (using module-assistant) |
| 01:38.31 | DeathWolf | apt-get install module-assistant open-vm-source;m-a build open-vm |
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| 01:39.53 | DeathWolf | (if someone could try) |
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| 01:54.54 | DeathWolf | okay, this lack of kbuild-2.6.33 is ... the problem |
| 01:54.58 | DeathWolf | a big one at that |
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| 01:57.19 | nevyn | ? |
| 01:57.35 | DeathWolf | oh, just copied it from standard kernel release, seems to work hehe |
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| 01:58.55 | sylar | is there a way to make copied text from acrobat pdf reader not show ff as ^L? |
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| 02:01.50 | sylar | he, evince is putting lines from two columns on the same line |
| 02:02.03 | sylar | (when copying pasting) |
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| 02:04.04 | sylar | kpdf also don't copy right ffs |
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| 02:11.57 | karsten | What package(s) would I want to run sieve (both configuration and plug-ins) with Dovecot on lenny? |
| 02:13.11 | Bop | any help with kernel error compilation ? -> http://pastebin.com/nUNmAXtB |
| 02:14.18 | karsten | Bop: Do you have the necessary dev libraries? |
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| 02:14.41 | Bop | i guess |
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| 02:14.51 | karsten | Bop: Stop guessing. |
| 02:14.54 | Bop | if i knew i wouldnt ask |
| 02:15.13 | karsten | Bop: Do you have the necessary dev libraries? |
| 02:15.19 | Bop | what package is that ? |
| 02:15.49 | Bop | i've been almost 1 hour compiling |
| 02:15.53 | Bop | now error :s |
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| 02:15.56 | nsadmin | is there an apt/aptitude/dpkg/apt-get that can use faster storage and access techniques for the package database? |
| 02:16.18 | K1ng\\ | i <3 my new domain http://k1ngdom.net <3 |
| 02:16.20 | nsadmin | they're all crawling on the machine |
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| 02:16.28 | karsten | !tell Bop about kernel-compile |
| 02:16.54 | Bop | aint working |
| 02:17.44 | karsten | nsadmin: auto-apt is faster at searching for files. There are some query tools (dpkg-awk) which can be useful. |
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| 02:18.15 | Walhter | is there a grub2 on debian-install disks? I would love to have ext4 on root? |
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| 02:18.35 | karsten | Bop: I tried looking for eventfd.h via auto-apt search, which turns up nothing. auto-apt shell (run by you) prior to build might be more helpful. |
| 02:18.47 | karsten | Walhter: ?? |
| 02:19.04 | karsten | Walhter: lenny installs with an option for grub2, if that's what you're asking. |
| 02:19.21 | karsten | Bop: you're not being particularly forthcoming or helpful, FYI. |
| 02:19.34 | Walhter | karsten: grub that's on installer does not support ext4 on root |
| 02:19.43 | nsadmin | I know the basic thing, people want the text databases because they are human readable... and I see a few problems with having something like postgres store the db |
| 02:19.46 | Bop | FYI ? |
| 02:20.01 | karsten | !fyi |
| 02:20.01 | dpkg | fyi is, like, For Your Information |
| 02:20.06 | Bop | auto-apt ? |
| 02:20.12 | karsten | !auto-apt |
| 02:20.12 | dpkg | from memory, auto-apt is very cute. Run a shell under auto-apt and start doing something. If you access a missing file, and auto-apt can install a package that would provide that file, it does. http://packages.debian.org/auto-apt |
| 02:20.24 | Walhter | karsten: the nightly build never asks me for grub2 |
| 02:20.30 | karsten | Bop: You can query the bot yourself on questions like that. /msg dkpkg <foo> |
| 02:20.43 | karsten | Walhter: My 3 week-old Lenny install did. |
| 02:20.58 | MrJK | hi |
| 02:21.24 | MrJK | what does mean the minus in the following line? (rsyslog.conf) |
| 02:21.25 | MrJK | daemon.* -/var/log/daemon.log |
| 02:21.43 | MrJK | I'm looking into the man, but I don't find anything :s |
| 02:21.44 | PinkFreud | lenny does install the grub-pc package from grub2. |
| 02:21.58 | nsadmin | there should be a man page that describes syslog.conf |
| 02:22.01 | MrJK | Some line have, some other not |
| 02:22.11 | nsadmin | I dunno myself. |
| 02:22.14 | Walhter | PinkFreud: on install? |
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| 02:22.32 | karsten | Walhter: ... and looks like ext4 support went into grub2 back in 2008. |
| 02:23.19 | Walhter | karsten: hmmm, then why's my installs not booting |
| 02:23.28 | nsadmin | you could have a separate /boot |
| 02:23.33 | nsadmin | Walhter |
| 02:23.50 | Walhter | i did that, it works |
| 02:23.53 | karsten | Walhter: Oh, *that* is your real question. |
| 02:24.00 | karsten | Walhter: How does it not boot? |
| 02:24.09 | PinkFreud | Walhter: yes. |
| 02:24.17 | Walhter | blank screen |
| 02:24.32 | PinkFreud | the installer only appears to offer to install grub, but you *can* switch to grub2. |
| 02:24.42 | karsten | MrJK: At the top of /etc/rsyslog.conf: For more information see /usr/share/doc/rsyslog-doc/html/rsyslog_conf.html |
| 02:25.29 | PinkFreud | Walhter: if you chroot into /target before exiting the installer, you can run /usr/sbin/upgrade-from-grub-legacy |
| 02:25.43 | Walhter | that's gold |
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| 02:25.49 | Walhter | thanks PinkFreud |
| 02:25.53 | PinkFreud | np |
| 02:26.05 | MrJK | karsten: hum, I didn't see this line ... let's go |
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| 02:26.43 | PinkFreud | had to do that just today, in fact, on a pair of servers with 6TB arrays |
| 02:27.19 | PinkFreud | grub was rather pissy about installing on those |
| 02:27.26 | MrJK | karsten: this file doen't exist :s |
| 02:27.47 | nsadmin | anyone actually bought one (or more) of those 1tb tape drives? |
| 02:28.20 | Walhter | PinkFreud: how did you create 4+ TB volume? |
| 02:28.45 | Walhter | it's erroring on mine |
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| 02:28.52 | K1ng\\ | dpkg: stats |
| 02:28.53 | dpkg | Since Thu May 13 11:05:02 2010, there have been 0 modifications, 82 questions, 20 dunnos, 0 morons and 27 commands. I have been awake for 15h 23m 50s this session, and currently reference 39223 factoids. I'm using about 16428 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 56.34/4.11 child 0.01/0 |
| 02:28.53 | MrJK | neither in the .deb :s |
| 02:29.00 | K1ng\\ | dpkg: version |
| 02:29.00 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a, or cat /proc/version. Do cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} which should grab almost all distributions. |
| 02:29.08 | PinkFreud | Walhter: the installer had no problem doing that. it just defaults to using a GPT partition table. |
| 02:29.18 | karsten | MrJK: aptitude install rsyslog-doc |
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| 02:29.52 | karsten | PinkFreud: What filesystem for those 6TBs? |
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| 02:30.26 | MrJK | karsten: thanks :D :D |
| 02:30.45 | karsten | MrJK: I think the minus sign means to not sync (or possibly to sync) the file on write. |
| 02:30.50 | karsten | MrJK: It's not entirely clear |
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| 02:31.18 | PinkFreud | karsten: I went with XFS on a test run. This time around, I think I only set up a root lv, and left most of the array free for carving later. |
| 02:31.34 | karsten | MrJK: You may prefix each entry with the minus "-'' sign to omit syncing the file after every logging. Note that you might lose information if the system crashes right behind a write attempt. Nevertheless this might give you back some performance, especially if you run programs that use logging in a very verbose manner. |
| 02:31.37 | PinkFreud | but XFS *did* appear to work on the array during the first run. |
| 02:31.59 | karsten | PinkFreud: Played with ext4 and/or bittrfs any? |
| 02:32.19 | PinkFreud | ext4 a little, btrfs not yet. |
| 02:32.44 | Walhter | PinkFreud and karsten, i tried ext4, and I was not able to did it |
| 02:32.45 | MrJK | karsten: amazing, thanks a lot :) |
| 02:32.52 | PinkFreud | however, dealing with ext4 and the lenny installer is more trouble than it's worth. XFS has long worked for me, so I'm happy using it. |
| 02:32.57 | karsten | MrJK: I learned something myself ;-) |
| 02:32.58 | Walhter | do it |
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| 02:33.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | karsten, what was it? |
| 02:33.38 | karsten | CutMeOwnThroat: I foregot. |
| 02:33.50 | PinkFreud | Walhter: yeah, as I said - more trouble than it's worth with lenny. |
| 02:34.00 | Walhter | grrrr |
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| 02:34.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | karsten, well, that's old age for you |
| 02:34.24 | karsten | CutMeOwnThroat: Eh? I can't yhear you sonny. |
| 02:34.37 | PinkFreud | karsten: lol |
| 02:34.38 | karsten | CutMeOwnThroat: rsyslog.conf syntax, specifically '-' file prefix. |
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| 02:35.22 | PinkFreud | Walhter: If you *really* want ext4, here's what I would do: |
| 02:35.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | karsten, if you heard about that for the last hour or so... no wonder you feel like a 100 years have passed |
| 02:35.57 | PinkFreud | Install lenny using a seperate /boot partition, and use ext3 for / (and any other filesystems, other than /boot, that you want to be ext4) |
| 02:36.24 | nsadmin | he says he already knows that would work |
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| 02:36.38 | Walhter | and upgrade to ext4 after apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 02:36.52 | PinkFreud | Walhter: Install a newer kernel from backports. 2.6.32 would probably be recommended. Install newer ext2tools, and upgrade your ext3 filesystems to ext4. |
| 02:37.14 | MrJK | karsten: it is exactly the same doc on the website, but where (the web title/url page) did you find it, if you remember ? |
| 02:37.41 | karsten | PinkFreud: I'd use ext2 for boot myself. Small, no journal overhead. recoverable if anything actually *does* fry. Save any write commits. Same logic for /tmp. |
| 02:38.01 | karsten | MrJK: top of /etc/ressyslogd.conf in the comments ;-) |
| 02:38.17 | PinkFreud | karsten: I usually use XFS on there. The overhead is negligible. |
| 02:38.38 | PinkFreud | and the recommendation that ext2/3 be fscked once in a while is annoying. |
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| 02:39.21 | karsten | PinkFreud: I never thought I'd live to see the day where I said I hate to fsck, but man, it's getting bad with big drives. |
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| 02:39.40 | PinkFreud | karsten: yep. |
| 02:39.49 | MrJK | karsten: ok, thx ! |
| 02:40.30 | karsten | MrJK: NP |
| 02:40.42 | nsadmin | anyone have an idea why one of the six gettys on tty1-6 would be at 16% cpu? |
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| 02:41.27 | nsadmin | actually hold that thought... bbiaf |
| 02:41.29 | oOarthurOo | you run six gettings on each of six tty's? |
| 02:41.44 | oOarthurOo | 36 in total? |
| 02:42.12 | karsten | nsadmin: Denial of Terminal Attack? |
| 02:42.34 | merovinq | ah guys... I just actidentally ran "rm thumbs /*" on one of my servers.... |
| 02:42.50 | merovinq | no I can run any commands... |
| 02:42.55 | merovinq | *now |
| 02:43.04 | oOarthurOo | It's a good thing you're all thumbs then, or you'd miss those. |
| 02:43.14 | karsten | merovinq: Got backups? |
| 02:43.22 | merovinq | now it deleted from the root |
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| 02:43.38 | merovinq | "/*" |
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| 02:44.00 | merovinq | now of the server no, just the websites on the server |
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| 02:44.17 | \amethyst | merovinq: time to reinstall then |
| 02:44.26 | karsten | merovinq: kill that process, if you haven't already. |
| 02:44.26 | karsten | meAnd realize you've just deleted your entire system (or most of it). Answering the usual next question .... |
| 02:44.29 | karsten | merNo, Linux does not have an "undelete" feature. |
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| 02:44.49 | man_in_shack | waves |
| 02:44.56 | Walhter | backup |
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| 02:45.06 | merovinq | i dont have commands! |
| 02:45.09 | man_in_shack | anyone see a problem like this with m-a a-i nvidia?: http://dpaste.com/194427/ |
| 02:45.14 | merovinq | i can't kill process |
| 02:45.21 | \amethyst | ctrl-c |
| 02:45.27 | merovinq | I did that |
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| 02:45.39 | karsten | merovinq: The only commands you can run right now are shell built-ins. |
| 02:45.42 | PinkFreud | merovinq: this is also why you NEVER log in as root. |
| 02:45.53 | PinkFreud | but I suppose you've learned that now :) |
| 02:46.01 | karsten | merovinq: 'kill' is in fact a shell built-in for bash. |
| 02:46.23 | karsten | merovinq: cutting power s your other option, but at this point it's probably too late. |
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| 02:47.28 | merovinq | wikipedia says: The command does not actually destroy data. Rather, the file system is told to forget where the file is located, and the actual disk location may be overwritten by a new file. There are undelete utilities that will attempt to reconstruct the index and can bring the file back if the parts were not reused. |
| 02:47.50 | man_in_shack | screw it; it builds the package fine, just doesn't install it |
| 02:47.56 | man_in_shack | time to upgrade video drivers |
| 02:48.14 | karsten | merovinq: on a journaled filesystem, odds of data recovery are very low. |
| 02:48.41 | merovinq | crap |
| 02:48.57 | karsten | merovinq: You've learned a few lessons. |
| 02:49.05 | karsten | merovinq: be REALLY, REALLY careful as root. |
| 02:49.09 | \amethyst | merovinq: if you have important text or image files that you lost, you may be able to recover them with something like ext3grep or photorec |
| 02:49.10 | merovinq | how do I make sure it is not deleting anything right now? |
| 02:49.19 | karsten | merovinq: have backups.meSee1. |
| 02:49.24 | karsten | merovinq: ... and see 2. |
| 02:49.34 | merovinq | I have backups of important data |
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| 02:49.35 | karsten | merovinq: If your disk is still spinning, it's deleting. |
| 02:49.53 | merovinq | can I stop the rm |
| 02:49.55 | karsten | merovinq: If it's not still spinning, it's done deleting. s/spinning/seeking/ |
| 02:50.21 | merovinq | -bash: /sbin/reboot: No such file or directory |
| 02:50.27 | karsten | merovinq: It's been ten minutes that you've been on here. Your data is gone, gone, gone, gone, gone. Build a bridge and get over it already. |
| 02:50.33 | \amethyst | merovinq: if you ctrl-c'ed it, it's stopped |
| 02:50.40 | karsten | merovinq: Just power cycle, which you should have done 10 minutes ago. |
| 02:50.41 | merovinq | kk |
| 02:50.46 | \amethyst | merovinq: if it were still running you wouldn't have gotten the prompt back |
| 02:50.55 | \amethyst | well, just a power cycle won't do much by itself |
| 02:51.14 | karsten | merovinq: You can see if there are any files where you're at: 'echo *' is a poor man's 'ls' in shell. |
| 02:51.14 | \amethyst | you'll need to at least insert an install CD (or fake it with your IPMI) |
| 02:51.16 | merovinq | I guess tomorrow is rebuild day |
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| 02:53.06 | karsten | merovinq: Yep. |
| 02:53.18 | merovinq | can debian repair it's self with an install CD? |
| 02:53.35 | karsten | merovinq: You're way past that sage. |
| 02:53.38 | karsten | stage. |
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| 02:53.42 | merovinq | i thought so |
| 02:53.53 | Walhter | game over, man |
| 02:54.00 | karsten | merovinq: At best: boot install disk, go to shell, mount your HD. See if there are any files left. |
| 02:54.04 | karsten | merovinq: Most likely, no. |
| 02:54.11 | merovinq | my websites are still up and running... so at least that is good for the time being |
| 02:54.14 | karsten | merovinq: You've already taken off and nuked the site from orbit. |
| 02:54.37 | karsten | merovinq: Where's the website? Same box or fdifferent? |
| 02:54.47 | merovinq | note to self do not login as root |
| 02:54.57 | merovinq | same |
| 02:54.58 | Walhter | or use sudo |
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| 02:55.25 | merovinq | sudo still would have ran the command right? |
| 02:55.32 | Walhter | yup |
| 02:55.45 | drwahl | i'm having issues getting debian to install on my new intel x25-M ssd drive. are there drivers for it in the installer? |
| 02:55.53 | karsten | /win 2 |
| 02:55.53 | karsten | meapache's probably cached the content and is serving it from cache. You'll lose that too on reboot. |
| 02:55.54 | merovinq | I did rm thumbs /* |
| 02:55.57 | merovinq | damn spacebar |
| 02:56.05 | karsten | merovinq: spider the site now from another bosx if there's static content you want. |
| 02:56.08 | \amethyst | with an -rf I assume? |
| 02:56.29 | merovinq | no -rf that is the strange thing... |
| 02:56.59 | karsten | merovinq: Then you may just have noked the root filesystem. 'echo *' and 'cd' will work. |
| 02:57.01 | oOarthurOo | holy mother of god... Exaile hasn't had an update since about 2008. There's been two stable releases in that time. Time to build from source I guess. |
| 02:57.06 | \amethyst | then you should have gotten rm: cannot remove `/bin': Is a directory |
| 02:57.11 | \amethyst | if you didn't pass -r |
| 02:57.15 | karsten | merovinq: 'help' will give you a list of shell builtins. |
| 02:57.46 | \amethyst | and only removed the kernel links |
| 02:57.51 | karsten | merovinq: And in the holding out hope for the hopeless department, we have: http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/undelete_ext3.html |
| 02:57.58 | merovinq | id did get /bin is not a directory |
| 02:58.04 | merovinq | i did |
| 02:58.29 | \amethyst | merovinq: was /usr a symlink or something? |
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| 02:58.32 | merovinq | hmm if I cd /bin then echo I see "ls" among others... |
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| 02:58.43 | \amethyst | but you can't run ls? |
| 02:58.44 | merovinq | echo * |
| 02:58.49 | merovinq | yea... |
| 02:58.50 | \amethyst | what does echo $PATH say? |
| 02:58.53 | oOarthurOo | What's crazy is that the popularity of it (according to popcon has just gone up and up, despite the apparent abandonment by the package maintainers http://qa.debian.org/popcon.php?package=exaile |
| 02:59.06 | karsten | merovinq: You may have nuked its libraries. |
| 02:59.21 | karsten | merovinq: Do you have 'sash' (stand-alone-shell) installed? |
| 02:59.23 | merovinq | "/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin" |
| 02:59.40 | \amethyst | merovinq: and what message do you get when you run ls / ? |
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| 02:59.51 | merovinq | karsten: I don' |
| 02:59.54 | merovinq | tt think so |
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| 03:00.23 | merovinq | -bash: /bin/ls: No such file or directory |
| 03:00.36 | \amethyst | merovinq: is /lib still around? |
| 03:01.13 | merovinq | this is echo * of "/" bin boot dev emul etc home lib lost+found media mnt opt proc quota.group quota.user root sbin selinux srv ssl sys test tmp usr var |
| 03:01.20 | karsten | merovinq: Pity. sash is self-contained and can do things where other tools fail. |
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| 03:01.41 | \amethyst | I'm not sure what you would have actually deleted then |
| 03:01.42 | Walhter | anything in the /bin |
| 03:01.53 | merovinq | cd /bin |
| 03:01.54 | Walhter | or /home |
| 03:01.58 | merovinq | opps ... lol |
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| 03:02.24 | merovinq | contetns of /bin -> bash bunzip2 busybox bzcat bzcmp bzdiff bzegrep bzexe bzfgrep bzgrep bzip2 bzip2recover bzless bzmore cat chgrp chmod chown cp cpio date dd df dir dmesg dnsdomainname echo ed egrep false fgconsole fgrep fuser grep gunzip gzexe gzip hostname ip kill ln loadkeys login ls lsmod mkdir mknod mktemp more mount mountpoint mt mt-gnu mv nano nc nc.traditional netcat netstat pidof ping ping6 ps pwd rbash readlink rm rmdir rnano |
| 03:02.48 | \amethyst | merovinq: does echo /lib/ld-2* print anything? |
| 03:03.26 | merovinq | "echo /lib/ld-2* " -> "/lib/ld-2.7.so" |
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| 03:04.11 | \amethyst | merovinq: so you shouldn't be getting that error message... |
| 03:04.15 | karsten | Hrm... 'rm /*' would only remove cdrom, initrd.img, lib32, lib64, and vmlinuz (all symlinks). |
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| 03:04.20 | karsten | Everything else is a directory. |
| 03:05.03 | \amethyst | karsten: he gets "bash: /bin/ls: No such file or directory" even though /bin/ls exists and /lib/ld-2.7.so is there |
| 03:05.12 | karsten | merovinq: try: cd /; ln -s /lib /lib64; ln -s //emul/ia32-linux/lib /lib32 |
| 03:05.34 | karsten | \ \amethyst: truth, that. |
| 03:06.01 | merovinq | I ran this before that -> chown -R www-data.www-data ./ |
| 03:06.03 | karsten | \amethyst: Though my ls is linked to more than just that. |
| 03:06.16 | merovinq | that would just go down the drectoty I am in right? |
| 03:06.19 | karsten | merovinq: root ignores file permissions. |
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| 03:06.33 | \amethyst | karsten: right, but if it were a missing library the error would be different |
| 03:06.42 | merovinq | -bash: /bin/ln: No such file or directory |
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| 03:06.59 | \amethyst | karsten: oh |
| 03:06.59 | karsten | \amethyst: I don't think so. But I'm not willing to tteest it ATM. |
| 03:07.01 | \amethyst | karsten: aha |
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| 03:07.06 | karsten | could set up a VM.... |
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| 03:07.15 | \amethyst | karsten: I do get that message when I remove /lib64 on an amd64 system |
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| 03:07.48 | karsten | http://paste.debian.net/73235/ |
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| 03:08.29 | \amethyst | karsten: yeah, my first test was on an i386 machine... I didn't think about amd64 and the link loader having a different path |
| 03:08.33 | karsten | merovinq: does 'ln' run? |
| 03:08.39 | \amethyst | merovinq: what version of bash do you have? |
| 03:08.45 | \amethyst | merovinq: echo $BASH_VERSION |
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| 03:08.57 | merovinq | -bash: /bin/ln: No such file or directory |
| 03:09.08 | Engrish_Man | how can i make my ALT GR key works on X |
| 03:09.14 | merovinq | 3.2.39(1)-release |
| 03:09.28 | \amethyst | hm, that rules out /dev/tcp then |
| 03:09.35 | karsten | \amethyst: yeah. |
| 03:09.41 | Engrish_Man | the keymap is the right one.... but the ALT GR keys dont existe |
| 03:09.42 | merovinq | I just ran apt-get update/upgrade a few hours ago |
| 03:09.43 | Engrish_Man | exists |
| 03:09.44 | karsten | http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Download/sash |
| 03:09.51 | \amethyst | merovinq: if we can get a single binary onto your system we can fix it |
| 03:09.55 | karsten | I'd made that available. Question is can he get it anyhow? |
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| 03:10.02 | \amethyst | merovinq: onto your system and executable, that is |
| 03:10.14 | Tramp | \amethyst: "busybox ln" would not run as well? |
| 03:10.24 | \amethyst | Tramp: default busybox isn't statically linked |
| 03:10.30 | Tramp | k |
| 03:10.33 | merovinq | how do I do that? |
| 03:10.36 | \amethyst | Tramp: but there is a statically linked version |
| 03:10.37 | karsten | \amethyst: Need not be executable. What's that old lib trick? |
| 03:10.50 | karsten | \amethyst: sash as well ^^ |
| 03:11.08 | karsten | merovinq: That's what we're trying to figure out. |
| 03:11.13 | merovinq | kk |
| 03:11.40 | \amethyst | karsten: aha |
| 03:11.40 | karsten | \amethyst: Is there any harm to rebooting? It's not like the disk structures will change on boot. fsck, maybe. |
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| 03:11.47 | karsten | \aHe just needs s a bootable system (eg: bootable CD). |
| 03:12.04 | \amethyst | karsten: if he can boot to CD |
| 03:12.16 | \amethyst | merovinq: do you have a way of booting from CD right now? |
| 03:12.18 | karsten | \amethyst: Right. |
| 03:12.19 | merovinq | the server is 30 miles away |
| 03:12.25 | \amethyst | that's what I thought |
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| 03:12.37 | merovinq | won't be able to get there till tmorrow |
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| 03:12.40 | \amethyst | merovinq: do any of the running web apps provide a way to upload a file? |
| 03:12.41 | karsten | \amethyst: Even if we had a disk to give him, he couldn't mount it right now. |
| 03:12.49 | merovinq | I do |
| 03:12.50 | karsten | \amethyst: *good* thinking. |
| 03:12.54 | merovinq | webdrive |
| 03:13.01 | merovinq | I am on it now |
| 03:13.07 | merovinq | it is working through ssh |
| 03:13.11 | karsten | \amethyst: ... which doesn't require any external utilities to function. |
| 03:13.23 | karsten | \amethyst: If it's a system call, it'll break. |
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| 03:13.43 | \amethyst | karsten: ?? you mean system() ? |
| 03:14.04 | \amethyst | karsten: 'system call' means something else |
| 03:14.14 | karsten | \amethyst: I mean that if the upload feature uses some system binary, it's going to break. Yeah, system(). |
| 03:14.32 | karsten | \amethyst: ... if it's a built-in apache / PHP / whatever feature, it might work. |
| 03:15.13 | \amethyst | karsten: was the copy of sash you linked to amd64? |
| 03:15.24 | karsten | \amethyst: yes. |
| 03:15.29 | karsten | \amethyst: Erm... |
| 03:15.42 | merovinq | this is what I am using to connect to mount it as a windows mapped network drive, it uses SSH http://www.webdrive.com/ |
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| 03:16.11 | \amethyst | merovinq: get the sash binary that karsten linked to, and get it onto the system |
| 03:16.17 | karsten | \amethyst: /var/cache/apt/archives/sash_3.7-8_amd64.deb |
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| 03:16.43 | karsten | Yeah, amd64. |
| 03:17.07 | \amethyst | merovinq: then you can run /lib/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 /path/to/sash |
| 03:17.09 | karsten | \amethyst: how many active shell sessions do you have on the box? |
| 03:17.29 | \amethyst | merovinq: from there you should be able to cd /; ln -s lib lib64 |
| 03:17.34 | \amethyst | merovinq: that should fix it |
| 03:17.35 | karsten | \amethyst: can't he also set his LD_SO_LIBRARY_PATH to find stuff that's nuked from the /lib64 paths? |
| 03:17.40 | nsadmin | I'm about to do the safe-upgrade part, but I want to tell aptitude to not screw with my kernel; I already have one |
| 03:17.44 | \amethyst | karsten: hmm |
| 03:17.46 | nsadmin | how do I go about that? |
| 03:17.49 | karsten | \amethyst: I don't know how many shells he's got to burn here. |
| 03:18.03 | karsten | \amethyst: ... and if this doesn't work, he's lost his one link. |
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| 03:18.30 | \amethyst | karsten: how does that burn a link? |
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| 03:18.55 | karsten | \amethyst: Does he lose the shell, or does he get his bash prompt back? |
| 03:19.11 | karsten | \amethyst: As long as he doesn't exec, he should be OK. |
| 03:19.11 | merovinq | I am not familiar with binaries... I do program php and that is all the experience i got.. |
| 03:19.13 | \amethyst | karsten: when? when he tries running a program? |
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| 03:19.20 | karsten | \amethyst: Yeah, nevermind. |
| 03:19.22 | \amethyst | karsten: he'd get bash back |
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| 03:19.32 | karsten | \amethyst: yeah, I figured it out ;) |
| 03:19.35 | merovinq | so I take the http://paste.debian.net/73235/ and save to a file on the server root? |
| 03:19.46 | karsten | merovinq: noe_ |
| 03:19.52 | karsten | merovinq: No. |
| 03:20.05 | karsten | merovinq: http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Download/sash |
| 03:20.13 | karsten | merovinq: 'sash' is the stand-alone-shell. |
| 03:20.28 | karsten | merovinq: it's a statically linked shell with a bunch of built-in commands. 'help' once you get it running. |
| 03:20.28 | merovinq | i see. got it |
| 03:21.06 | karsten | merovinq: Info: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stand-alone_shell |
| 03:21.35 | \amethyst | in order to execute it without chmod you'll need a small trick: instead of ./sash you have to run /lib/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 ./sash |
| 03:21.42 | karsten | merovinq: commands are prefixed by '-': -ar, -chattr, -chgrp, -chmod, -chown, -cmp, -cp, -dd, -echo, -ed, exec, -grep, -file, -find, -gunzip, -gzip, -kill, -losetup, -ln, -ls, -lsattr, -mkdir, -mknod, -rmdir, -sum, -sync, -tar, -touch, -umount, -where |
| 03:22.32 | karsten | merovinq: That uses the library to exec the file indirectly rather than via kernel and 'exec' filesystem flag. |
| 03:22.58 | merovinq | hmm, it appears that the webdrive has stopped working for that server... |
| 03:23.18 | karsten | merovinq: That's not surpising. But sucks. |
| 03:23.21 | \amethyst | hm |
| 03:23.24 | Engrish_Man | hi... how can i configure my alt gr key in the x .... in non-graphical mode alt gr works just fine... but in the X doesnt work at all |
| 03:23.47 | Engrish_Man | im running just the X with fluxbox |
| 03:23.56 | nsadmin | nm, got it... also figured out why the getty was taking up cpu |
| 03:24.09 | karsten | \amethyst: We could try building something in shell functions.... |
| 03:24.24 | karsten | Engrish_Man: what's alt-gr? |
| 03:24.26 | \amethyst | oh duh |
| 03:24.27 | merovinq | in addition it looks like I can not open a new ssh connection through putty. |
| 03:24.37 | merovinq | I still have my current one open |
| 03:24.38 | \amethyst | merovinq: do you still have an open ssh connection? |
| 03:24.41 | \amethyst | merovinq: okay, try this |
| 03:24.56 | karsten | merovinq: Nope, ssh fails the same way. |
| 03:24.58 | karsten | \amethyst: scp? |
| 03:25.08 | \amethyst | merovinq: cd /; /lib/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 /bin/ln -s lib lib64 |
| 03:25.17 | karsten | \amethyst: Doh! |
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| 03:25.31 | karsten | \amethyst: ... hrm. Maybe. |
| 03:25.37 | karsten | merovinq: Try it. |
| 03:25.52 | merovinq | that works i can ls -al now |
| 03:26.04 | \amethyst | karsten: I don't know why I didn't think about that earlier when you mentioned the library trick |
| 03:26.16 | karsten | \amethyst: Me neither. |
| 03:26.17 | merovinq | touch works now ! |
| 03:26.28 | Engrish_Man | karsten, altgr is a key... on my spanish keyboard... one is alt the other is alt-gr |
| 03:26.29 | karsten | \amethyst: ... well. What I figured was that there were other libraries involved. |
| 03:26.44 | karsten | merovinq: start another ssh session *now* |
| 03:26.48 | karsten | merovinq: ... so you've got a spare. |
| 03:26.58 | \amethyst | merovinq: so now the only problems are that your cdrom -> media/cdrom link and your kernel/initrd links |
| 03:27.10 | merovinq | it works, new ssh connection |
| 03:27.26 | karsten | merovinq: Good. Actually this wasn't so bad. |
| 03:27.39 | merovinq | how did it happen? |
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| 03:28.02 | karsten | merovinq: you deleted /lib64 from your root filesystem. It's a symlink. |
| 03:28.11 | merovinq | ah! |
| 03:28.19 | karsten | merovinq: Since you ran 'rm' *without* -rf, you only deleted files, and symlinks. So: no directories. |
| 03:28.35 | karsten | merovinq: ... however without /lib64, most statically linked binaries won't work. |
| 03:28.41 | \amethyst | merovinq: and the link loader lives in /lib64 |
| 03:28.47 | \amethyst | s/statically/dynamically/ |
| 03:29.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | "/lib/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 /bin/ln" ? |
| 03:29.16 | karsten | merovinq: While you're at it: aptitude install sash. That used to set up a sashroot account which you may want to set up yourself now. |
| 03:29.20 | karsten | Yes, dynamically. |
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| 03:29.35 | karsten | CutMeOwnThroat: Runs 'ln' when you've fucked up your libs. |
| 03:29.36 | \amethyst | merovinq: but since the link loader was still there in /lib, it was just necessary to run it manually and have it execute ln |
| 03:29.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | karsten, I figured that... I just wonder about the syntax |
| 03:30.08 | merovinq | installed |
| 03:30.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | doesn't that just call the runtime library with the program as an option? |
| 03:30.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | so why'szat work? |
| 03:30.48 | karsten | merovinq: cd /; ln -s boot/initrd.img-$( uname -r ) initrd.img; ln -s media/cdrom cdrom; ln -s /emul/ia32-linux/lib lib32; ln -s boot/vmlinuz-$( uname -r ) vmlinuz |
| 03:31.02 | karsten | merovinq: .. that will restore the rest of your symlinks. |
| 03:31.11 | karsten | CutMeOwnThroat: Magick. |
| 03:31.23 | \amethyst | CutMeOwnThroat: the link loader is, in effect, the "interpreter" for dynamically-linked binaries |
| 03:31.28 | merovinq | ran, no output, so I assume that was good |
| 03:31.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | _convert_s karsten to png |
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| 03:32.00 | karsten | CutMeOwnThroat: Now you're just dithering. |
| 03:32.10 | karsten | merovinq: 'ls -l /' |
| 03:32.15 | karsten | merovinq: ... should show the links. |
| 03:32.32 | karsten | merovinq: Check that your webdisk or whatever thingie is working also. |
| 03:32.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | \amethyst, so why does that not need the soft-link itself? |
| 03:33.20 | \amethyst | CutMeOwnThroat: because the link loader itself is statically linked |
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| 03:33.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | or was there somd LD_LIBRARY_PATH stuff you did before that I didn't see |
| 03:33.29 | \amethyst | CutMeOwnThroat: otherwise it would be a chicken-and-egg problem |
| 03:33.41 | unkmar | Hmm, where would I find audio files from an default install? |
| 03:33.43 | karsten | CutMeOwnThroat: No, we talked about it but we didn't do it. |
| 03:33.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, I mean for finding the libs it "interprets" the program with |
| 03:33.49 | merovinq | output of ls -l / http://paste.debian.net/73236/ |
| 03:33.50 | karsten | CutMeOwnThroat: ... sort of like teenagers and esex. |
| 03:34.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | esex? |
| 03:34.08 | \amethyst | CutMeOwnThroat: oh, because those are searched for in /lib |
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| 03:34.23 | Xenguy | unkmar: you want to test sound, or ...? |
| 03:34.28 | unkmar | Xenguy: yes |
| 03:34.34 | \amethyst | CutMeOwnThroat: try ldd /bin/ls on an amd64 system... only /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 mentions /lib64, the rest say /lib |
| 03:34.56 | karsten | sex. With an extra e. I guess it's e-sex. |
| 03:34.59 | merovinq | yea, webdrive is working |
| 03:35.04 | karsten | merovinq: http://paste.debian.net/73237/ |
| 03:35.16 | Xenguy | unkmar: cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp <-- IIRC |
| 03:35.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | strictly 32bit here... but I believe you :) |
| 03:35.27 | Xenguy | unkmar: should produce a 'static' sound |
| 03:35.35 | karsten | Xenguy: That's mean. |
| 03:35.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | karsten, I think you effed up your backspace key |
| 03:35.47 | unkmar | karsten: actually, it is logical. |
| 03:35.51 | Xenguy | karsten: heh, OK, but it works in a pinch |
| 03:36.16 | karsten | Xenguy: I know. |
| 03:36.20 | Xenguy | hehe |
| 03:36.23 | merovinq | Thank you guys SO MUCH! |
| 03:36.39 | merovinq | I'd be rebuilding if it wasn't for you. |
| 03:36.41 | karsten | CutMeOwnThroat: I've got a really lagged connection. Tab-expansion of nicks doesn't happen if I type too far in advance. |
| 03:36.41 | \amethyst | it's a good thing I thought to ask about the -rf :) |
| 03:36.46 | karsten | meNP. |
| 03:36.49 | woodworks | handclaps for the collective #debian group gurus |
| 03:36.49 | karsten | merovinq: NP. |
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| 03:37.01 | karsten | \amethyst: Good team thinking here. |
| 03:37.18 | \amethyst | go team #debian |
| 03:37.32 | merovinq | I thought I was so screwed! lol |
| 03:37.45 | karsten | merovinq: What I like about Linux is that it gives you all sorts of creative ways to shoot yourself in the foot. Along with some really good foot-reconstructing tools. |
| 03:38.31 | merovinq | yea, I am only a novice with linux. can only do the basics |
| 03:38.48 | merovinq | I'd like to learn more though |
| 03:38.51 | karsten | merovinq: blow away root a few more times and you'll qualify as "beginner" at least. |
| 03:38.55 | karsten | merovinq: I did that. |
| 03:38.58 | karsten | merovinq: .... Once. |
| 03:39.10 | nsadmin | merovinq: why? what would be your goal in learning it? |
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| 03:39.28 | unkmar | bummer, no sound. :( |
| 03:39.39 | esaym153 | anyone using selinux and liking it? Or anything similar? |
| 03:40.02 | nsadmin | as far as I can tell, no one likes selinux... |
| 03:40.18 | StuckMojo | anyone gotten a serial console over a dell bmc card working in lenny? |
| 03:40.35 | merovinq | well, I use it quite a bit to as I run a few website for myself and other and I only know what I've thought myself..no schooling here.. would like to learn a bit more |
| 03:40.46 | StuckMojo | i've gotten all the way to the grub menu, but once the kernel starts to boot i get gobblygook characters |
| 03:41.05 | merovinq | but so busy learning other things, lol |
| 03:41.09 | karsten | StuckMojo: are your serial settings right? |
| 03:41.19 | karsten | StuckMojo: 7-1-N usually IIRC. |
| 03:41.22 | StuckMojo | karsten: well...i've matched them to all the rest |
| 03:41.25 | StuckMojo | oh? 7? |
| 03:41.28 | StuckMojo | i've been using 8 |
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| 03:41.38 | merovinq | playing around with cakePHP atm, it is a pretty cool php framework |
| 03:41.43 | StuckMojo | console=ttyS0,38400n8 |
| 03:41.48 | StuckMojo | T0:2345:respawn:/sbin/getty -L ttyS0 38400 vt100 |
| 03:42.12 | Xenguy | unkmar: did you try alsamixer (make sure all settings are unmuted) ? |
| 03:42.12 | karsten | StuckMojo: Well, try 7 then. And make sure your serial client matches it. |
| 03:42.12 | StuckMojo | serial --unit=0 --speed=38400 --word=8 --parity=no --stop=1 |
| 03:42.17 | nsadmin | merovinq ok, well having the linux box in front of you just by itself expands your choices... |
| 03:42.26 | StuckMojo | well, see the bmc is forwarding it to SOL (serial over lan) |
| 03:42.27 | aiux | unkmar, just try > /etc/init.d/alsa-utils reset 0 < , then > speaker-test -t wav -c2 < , as root |
| 03:42.40 | Ikarus | 9600 or 115200 8-N-1 is the normal setup for serial consoles |
| 03:42.41 | karsten | StuckMojo: ... and I'm not expert at this, but if you're getting junk bytes, that's my first guess. |
| 03:42.42 | StuckMojo | so i use ipmitool to connect to an isol session |
| 03:42.49 | StuckMojo | karsten: hmm...ok |
| 03:42.52 | Ikarus | 38400 is a bit of an odd one |
| 03:42.58 | Ikarus | but it should work |
| 03:43.00 | StuckMojo | H�HHL�9����� |
| 03:43.02 | StuckMojo | i get crap like that |
| 03:43.16 | nsadmin | sounds like one end or the other is out of sync |
| 03:43.22 | Ikarus | StuckMojo: try a different baudrate then, 9600 for ex |
| 03:43.35 | StuckMojo | yeah i tried 115200 and 9600 |
| 03:43.45 | karsten | StuckMojo: Do *not* take my word for this.... |
| 03:43.48 | StuckMojo | hmph |
| 03:44.03 | karsten | StuckMojo: I'd start at 9600 as well, that's more likely to work (but damned slow). |
| 03:44.53 | merovinq | well, this box we were working on happens to be a box for a corporation that a work for, I'm their web guy. I have a ubuntu server here at the house for file serving. and i rent a server in washington state for most of my other websites |
| 03:44.53 | karsten | StuckMojo: and init q to reload inittab after changes. |
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| 03:45.20 | StuckMojo | hmm... |
| 03:45.25 | StuckMojo | trying 19.2 now |
| 03:45.33 | StuckMojo | http://www.nikhef.nl/pub/projects/grid/gridwiki/index.php/Serial_Consoles#Redirection_After_Boot_Enabled |
| 03:45.36 | StuckMojo | this looks promising |
| 03:46.36 | nsadmin | the most basic thing is to get the link up and verify it's working |
| 03:46.53 | nsadmin | the fact you're getting noise chars suggests the wire is good |
| 03:47.24 | StuckMojo | well yeah like i said i can see (over the lan using ipmitool isol activate) all the POST, and get into the bios, and then also see and use the grub menu |
| 03:47.32 | StuckMojo | it turns to crap when the kernel starts booting |
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| 03:49.42 | karsten | StuckMojo: IIRC if you're doing kernel output to serial, there's some boot parameters to pass as well. |
| 03:50.00 | nsadmin | that would suggest the serial driver is getting initialized weirdly when it comes up, but mainly tries to alter the serial port hardware settings |
| 03:50.06 | karsten | StuckMojo: If you're doing serial console, you've got four different stages: BIOS (if supported), GRUB, kernel, and finally getty. |
| 03:50.13 | StuckMojo | yeah |
| 03:50.22 | StuckMojo | it's going fubar at the kernel step |
| 03:51.01 | karsten | StuckMojo: You're going to want to muck with GRUB then for that. |
| 03:51.21 | karsten | Usually that's not too critical, only if system's crashing at boot and you want to capture serial out. |
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| 03:52.18 | StuckMojo | well this will be a remotely coloed box, so it's useful ;) |
| 03:52.29 | StuckMojo | 1500 miles away |
| 03:52.49 | unkmar | ok, I have audio but... it is through the PC speaker. |
| 03:52.55 | Ikarus | StuckMojo: btw, hold down space to see if you can get them to sync up |
| 03:53.26 | Ikarus | StuckMojo: but they might really have clocks that far apart it's a no go |
| 03:53.29 | karsten | unkmar: Have you changed your mixer settings? |
| 03:53.42 | StuckMojo | Ikarus: clocks? |
| 03:55.10 | nsadmin | ok, dpkg/apt/aptitude/apt-get etc is not crawlingly slow any more |
| 03:55.23 | unkmar | karsten: I am TRYING to. |
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| 03:55.54 | aiux | unkmar, tried my commands ? |
| 03:56.35 | aiux | ! PC speaker |
| 03:56.35 | dpkg | The PC Speaker makes an annoying BEEPing <bell> sound from within your computer (usually a piezoelectric speaker, attached to the motherboard). Blacklist "pcspkr" (PC Speaker beeper driver) to kill it, ask me about <blacklist>. snd-pcsp (PC Speaker sound card driver) is blacklisted by default since alsa-driver 1.0.17.dfsg-4. |
| 03:59.56 | karsten | unkmar: How? 'aumix' or als-mixer' |
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| 04:00.04 | karsten | unkmar: Install if necessary. |
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| 04:01.57 | nsadmin | ok, safe-upgrade done |
| 04:02.10 | StuckMojo | aha! |
| 04:02.13 | StuckMojo | ipmitool> isol info |
| 04:02.15 | StuckMojo | Bit Rate (kbps) : 115.2 |
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| 04:03.28 | unkmar | aiux: yeah, and it is PC speaker. |
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| 04:05.13 | nsadmin | ... and full-upgrade is done... HUH?! |
| 04:05.17 | aiux | unkmar, see karsten and bot message |
| 04:05.36 | aiux | nsadmin, etch to lenny ? |
| 04:05.42 | aiux | ;) |
| 04:05.50 | nsadmin | yeah |
| 04:05.59 | unkmar | I am using alsa |
| 04:06.05 | nsadmin | the full-upgrade was like 12 packages |
| 04:06.24 | Ikarus | hmz, I still think Debian woody was the best name we had |
| 04:06.38 | Ikarus | the bad jokes accidentally made over it :) |
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| 04:07.40 | Xenguy | Ikarus: careful, you're flying low to the sun ;-) |
| 04:07.57 | Xenguy | <groan> |
| 04:08.10 | nsadmin | the ID Software guy made no bones about the woody gained from building doom on linux |
| 04:08.37 | K1ng\\ | <3 www.k1ngdom.net (his new domain) |
| 04:08.52 | nsadmin | umm |
| 04:08.56 | nsadmin | you said that already |
| 04:09.08 | Xenguy | runs off to dreamland... |
| 04:09.56 | oOarthurOo | stands and claps for \amethyst and karsten |
| 04:10.12 | oOarthurOo | that was the most interesting trouble shooting I've seen in a long time. Nice job guys |
| 04:10.13 | nsadmin | K1ng\\: instead of trying to advertise your site here, learn all you can about SEO |
| 04:10.53 | nsadmin | oOarthurOo: you mean the serial console thing? |
| 04:11.56 | oOarthurOo | No, I mean figuring out what a guy did to his server, then helping him fix it from having almost no control and ready to reinstall, to fully up and running 30 minutes later with no data loss. IT was a fun read. Scroll back |
| 04:11.58 | karsten | oOarthurOo: Thanks. |
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| 04:15.05 | nsadmin | cool, upgraded gateway to lenny :) |
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| 04:17.19 | unkmar | I did, still stuck. |
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| 04:21.37 | unkmar | well. no sound at all now. |
| 04:25.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | unkmar, you never really described the problem "have sound through pc speaker" doesn't mean anything... did it play mp3s? |
| 04:25.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | you probably want |
| 04:25.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | !alsa checklist |
| 04:25.27 | dpkg | 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 2) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels & toggle jack sense) 3) arts or esound stopped? 4) OSS modules unloaded? 5) speakers on? 6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 7) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. See also <list alsa users>. |
| 04:25.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | but it's rather hard to say |
| 04:25.54 | karsten | checking which audio jacks you've got plugged in might not hurt. |
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| 04:26.32 | nsadmin | there's a script for debugging alsa that loads a bunch of system info onto a web site |
| 04:26.45 | nsadmin | that should probably be added to alsa checklist |
| 04:26.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | ach well, but who's gonna read all this |
| 04:27.15 | nsadmin | at minimum, the machine owner |
| 04:27.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | dream on |
| 04:27.35 | karsten | CutMeOwnThroat: 5) speakers on? plugged in? to right jacks? |
| 04:28.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | karsten, for all we know he might not have any audio card/chips :) |
| 04:28.11 | nsadmin | karsten: and, do you know which the right jacks are |
| 04:28.17 | unkmar | 8086:2485 |
| 04:28.32 | nsadmin | , pciid 8086:2485 |
| 04:28.33 | judd | [8086:2485] is '82801CA/CAM AC'97 Audio Controller' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel module 'snd-intel8x0' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:2485 http://wiki.debian.org/slmodem and the out-of-tree 'snd-intel8x0' module. |
| 04:29.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | nsadmin, if you don't, one can say you don't know jack :) |
| 04:29.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | cringe in pain! |
| 04:29.34 | unkmar | CutMeOwnThroat: I was playing a .wmv video through PC-speaker. |
| 04:29.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | the evil punnster struck again |
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| 04:29.47 | unkmar | I have blacklisted the pc-snd and now I get nothing. |
| 04:29.50 | karsten | nsadmin: mike and dspeaker jacks are easy to confuse. We'll leave it to the user to sort that out. |
| 04:30.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | wow... that's the first pc speaker that also displays pictures I ever heard off |
| 04:30.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | but seriously... can alsa do that? |
| 04:31.03 | unkmar | CutMeOwnThroat: lol, the video had audio. I went for a sound file but I couldn't easily find one. I now have that left-right test I can use. |
| 04:31.32 | ColdStart | have anyone used USB-to-Serial cable with Debian? |
| 04:31.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | is this a laptop? |
| 04:31.39 | ColdStart | yes |
| 04:31.40 | unkmar | the test also played through the pc speaker until I blacklisted and modprobe -r snd-pcsp |
| 04:31.55 | unkmar | CutMeOwnThroat: yes. |
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| 04:32.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | so how do you know it's the pc speaker? The speakers of the laptop are inside... |
| 04:32.41 | unkmar | CutMeOwnThroat: Dell inspiron 8200 1.5Ghz, 1GB of RAM and GeForce2. |
| 04:32.56 | nsadmin | CutMeOwnThroat: because he now gets nothing after having removed pc speaker module? |
| 04:33.06 | unkmar | CutMeOwnThroat: alsamixer settings. if I mute pc speaker it shuts upt. not to mention it sounds like crap. |
| 04:33.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | I don't think anything (module - I know there's specialized programs that can) _can_ play music via the pc speaker... |
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| 04:33.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | nsadmin, yeah, that actually puzzles me - but I don't think the pc speaker module can do that, so perhaps he removed the real module along with it |
| 04:34.09 | nsadmin | hmm, that's possible |
| 04:34.25 | nsadmin | maybe by a rogue dep |
| 04:34.40 | unkmar | I only black listed pc-snd but... I can no longer load alsamixer. |
| 04:34.43 | StuckMojo | damn. somehow i completely broke it |
| 04:34.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh - the factoid mentions "snd-pcsp (PC Speaker sound card driver)" - that could do it |
| 04:34.46 | ColdStart | did anyone ever used USB-to-Serial cable with Debian? did it require downloading of drivers etc? |
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| 04:34.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | possibly |
| 04:34.53 | StuckMojo | now i don't even get bios anymore |
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| 04:35.02 | StuckMojo | damn it! |
| 04:35.03 | unkmar | says the file can't be found. so, yeah, I'd say it killed the Intel Driver that was listed. |
| 04:35.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | what says what file can't be found |
| 04:35.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | are you being unspecific intentionally or are you just very talented in it? |
| 04:35.45 | nsadmin | unkmar: can you find the module parameter settings? need to know index= |
| 04:35.49 | unkmar | ~$ alsamixer |
| 04:35.51 | unkmar | cannot open mixer: No such file or directory |
| 04:35.53 | mmnicolas | ok, my plan to use lenny and backports of the 2.6.32 kernel and building the nvidia kernel module royally failed |
| 04:36.35 | unkmar | nsadmin: how would I find that? |
| 04:36.49 | unkmar | nsadmin: modules are not something I have ever done much with. |
| 04:37.09 | unkmar | but I can work this Rubik's cube. :P |
| 04:37.49 | mmnicolas | so i'll be using squeeze because of a damn bluetooth adapter, i feel dirty |
| 04:38.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | unkmar 1) check for the snd-intel8x0 with lsmod, then for snd_mixer_oss |
| 04:38.10 | mmnicolas | either that or i use the nvidia binary installer, what is best ? |
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| 04:38.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | unkmar, 3) do the alsa checklist stuff from above |
| 04:38.30 | nsadmin | when alsa was last configured, it may have put the pc speaker on alsa device 0 (by setting index=0 to be fed to modprobe) |
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| 04:39.24 | wols_ | mmnicolas: if you use the nvidia installer, you are on your own. for nvidia+squeeze: /msg dpkg nvidia squeeze |
| 04:39.25 | unkmar | nsadmin: that would be it. |
| 04:39.31 | unkmar | it was set at 0. so.. |
| 04:39.47 | nsadmin | ok, find other index= |
| 04:39.55 | unkmar | 1 |
| 04:40.00 | unkmar | how do I set it? |
| 04:40.00 | nsadmin | for? |
| 04:40.13 | unkmar | for the Intel, where I kept trying to get the thing to be. |
| 04:40.31 | nsadmin | so see if you can set it to 0 |
| 04:40.53 | nsadmin | where did you find that btw? |
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| 04:41.29 | mmnicolas | wols_: how bad is "being on my own" ? apart from the driver not updating automatically, which is not needed since lenny kernel upgrades are unlikely at the moment ? |
| 04:41.47 | unkmar | great, now how do I add the module back? |
| 04:42.15 | nsadmin | try modprobing it (btw, where did you find the index=?) |
| 04:42.40 | unkmar | I remembered it from when I was working with alsamixer |
| 04:43.11 | nsadmin | ok, and where did you see it, after havign remembered? |
| 04:43.28 | unkmar | I tried modprobe -i snd-pcsp |
| 04:43.49 | wols_ | mmnicolas: no support at all for stuff relating to it here |
| 04:43.50 | nsadmin | ohh, interesting |
| 04:44.02 | nsadmin | what file do those settings go in? |
| 04:44.32 | unkmar | oh, that is ignore? crud. |
| 04:45.18 | mmnicolas | 00 |
| 04:45.26 | nsadmin | not understanding yet... |
| 04:46.03 | unkmar | nsadmin: first I need to get the snd-pcsp stuff working again. |
| 04:46.35 | unkmar | brb. I'll reboot. >:( This ain't winders. |
| 04:46.49 | wols_ | !reboot |
| 04:46.49 | dpkg | You want to reboot for WHAT?? If it's not a new kernel or a hardware change, you probably don't need to reboot. Ask me about <qotd2>. |
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| 04:49.06 | unkmar | wols_: too late, already booted. |
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| 04:49.24 | unkmar | I didn't want to reboot. I know have enough mojo to NOT boot. |
| 04:49.50 | nsadmin | so, where did you find these settings? in which file? |
| 04:50.08 | nsadmin | see, |
| 04:50.17 | unkmar | strangly, a reboot fixed it all. |
| 04:50.34 | nsadmin | when alsa comes up it loads a bunch of modules |
| 04:50.55 | nsadmin | modules can have parameters (like index= and others) |
| 04:50.57 | unkmar | yeah, well I have an address space collision during boot. |
| 04:51.08 | unkmar | I don't know what it is associated with. |
| 04:52.17 | nsadmin | which is not what I'm asking about at the moment... I'm presently focused on getting the sound working... if my focus is made to bounce all over the room like a rubber ball, I tend to lose focus |
| 04:52.26 | karsten | Is there an interactive IMAP message browser similar to POP3Browser? |
| 04:53.14 | karsten | thinks mutt might just fit this role of itsel.f actually... |
| 04:53.16 | nsadmin | so far what we know is... |
| 04:53.33 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:53.43 | unkmar | nsadmin: and I removed the blacklisting. |
| 04:53.44 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:53.46 | unkmar | and I rebooted. |
| 04:53.52 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:54.04 | unkmar | and I need to run that test again. |
| 04:54.29 | nsadmin | maybe pc speaker is now on index 1 or something... I have no idea |
| 04:54.55 | unkmar | It isn't being listed in alsamixer as a sound card device anymore. |
| 04:55.00 | unkmar | only the intel. |
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| 04:55.27 | mmnicolas | wols_: ok, you're right, this binary installer feels like crap, ill stick to the debian way |
| 04:55.34 | nsadmin | remember that when you do a large collection of things that haven't been discussed, you change the state of your machine to something only you are aware of |
| 04:55.37 | mmnicolas | i wish i had an intel gpu.. |
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| 04:56.05 | nsadmin | I can't really advise under those conditions |
| 04:56.50 | ask | hi guy quick question. how do you make debian kernel print the debug messages |
| 04:56.59 | ham5 | printk |
| 04:57.34 | ask | ham5: there's already dbg() print statements in the code. |
| 04:57.52 | nsadmin | ask: it's probably some parameter you feed to the kernel at boot... |
| 04:58.43 | ask | wonder if it's debug=1 or dbg=1 |
| 04:58.50 | ask | when it boots up |
| 04:58.53 | nsadmin | google could help |
| 04:59.06 | nsadmin | or reading the relevent kernel source |
| 04:59.24 | ask | tried no luck |
| 04:59.38 | nsadmin | ahh, no luck with me either |
| 05:00.19 | nsadmin | there's a boot prompt howto you could try to locate |
| 05:00.21 | ask | haha thanks anyway |
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| 05:01.26 | unkmar | ok, I still don't have sound. /dev/dsp is missing again. |
| 05:01.41 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:02.28 | nsadmin | you would need alsa to emulate oss and specifically the dsp part in order to get that, assuming alsa is loaded properly |
| 05:03.05 | unkmar | nsadmin: I see. |
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| 05:05.46 | nsadmin | perhaps the thing generating the sound could be made to use the native alsa devices instead of the oss |
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| 05:07.24 | unkmar | nsadmin: I startx and I have sound? whatever. |
| 05:08.05 | unkmar | I am playing kidrock's Bawida ba. |
| 05:10.30 | unkmar | Hmm. |
| 05:11.08 | unkmar | sound from using vlc, with alsamixer control but... /dev/dsp isn't there and festival isn't working. |
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| 05:12.01 | nsadmin | so vlc must be using alsa native devices already |
| 05:13.10 | unkmar | That is helpful but it doesn't fix my festival problem. aoss festival didn't work either, I suspected as much. :( |
| 05:13.41 | unkmar | oh, and nsadmin Thank you for you incredible patience. |
| 05:14.03 | spersaud | whats the story with the ati rv770 ati card ? |
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| 05:14.12 | nsadmin | once upon a time... |
| 05:14.13 | spersaud | I currently use fglrx |
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| 05:15.32 | unkmar | greenmang0: welcome back. |
| 05:15.45 | greenmang0 | unkmar: hi :) |
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| 05:19.11 | MrJK | is it dangerous to activate debian backports ? |
| 05:19.21 | MrJK | I don't want to break my config :s |
| 05:19.45 | MrJK | Actually, I need only one deb (rsyslog uptodate) |
| 05:22.17 | liable | you could likely just get the deb and install it with dpkg, depending on dependancies |
| 05:22.30 | unkmar | My biggest complaint is that all my files and my setup are now missing thanks to a fresh install. |
| 05:23.00 | unkmar | they are backed up on a jump drive and also on another system but... Very slow to load them back in and.... |
| 05:23.11 | unkmar | I apparently didn't create my tar files properly. :( |
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| 05:32.20 | MrJK | liable: okay, and I block the upgrade |
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| 05:33.13 | dpkg | ani <~ani@218.248.80.54> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 5d 12h 48m 17s ago, saying: 'debian valo '. |
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| 05:40.15 | wzssyqa1 | who can help me to test this package? http://mentors.debian.net/debian/pool/main/o/otcl/otcl_1.14~RC2-1.dsc |
| 05:41.32 | Salvad1 | Hello. I want to know which software Debian Squeeze will have. Is there some site in where it lists them?. Thanks. |
| 05:42.34 | Salvad1 | Also Is there some public site like the Ubuntu roadmap for Debian releases? |
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| 05:43.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | packages.debian.org |
| 05:43.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | specifically http://packages.debian.org/testing/ |
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| 05:44.06 | Salvad1 | Thanks. |
| 05:44.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | I don't know what the ubuntu roadmap is |
| 05:44.53 | MeglaW | who cares |
| 05:45.03 | Salvad1 | Is some page in where it says about the status of features included in the future release. |
| 05:45.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, so I can't answer his question... |
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| 05:45.34 | Salvad1 | *To be included. |
| 05:45.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, not that I know of |
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| 05:46.45 | spersaud | CutMeOwnThroat: why that nick ? you dont believe in god or something ? |
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| 05:47.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | spersaud, what's god got to do with anything? Anyway... does god believe in me? |
| 05:47.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | !dibbler |
| 05:47.39 | dpkg | Cut Me Own Throat (C.M.O.T) Dibbler is a most enterprising 'merchant venturer' in Terry Pratchetts Discworld series. He is famous for selling meat by-products, i.e. sausages to unsuspecting souls (often referred to with "Can't make both ends meat"). His name originates from his catchphrase 'I'll even sell it to you for $XX, and that's cutting me own throat.'" |
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| 05:50.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | Salvad1, perhaps this slightly dated article sheds some light on it for you http://robertogaloppini.net/2007/04/10/community-based-production-do-they-need-a-roadmap-the-debian-case/ |
| 05:51.13 | PinkFreud | spersaud: I wasn't aware that religion was a requirement to be in this channel. |
| 05:51.16 | unkmar | how do I install flash for iceweasel on a 32bit squeeze? |
| 05:51.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | but from what I googled the ubuntu "roadmap" just defines goals for the next release... that's hardly a "road" |
| 05:51.56 | nevyn | it's not long or forward looking enough. |
| 05:51.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | PinkFreud, didn't you know this was a strictly christian channel? |
| 05:52.16 | MeglaW | guys, #offtopic |
| 05:52.20 | nevyn | oh really I thought it irrelevant to this persuit. |
| 05:52.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | MeglaW, I'm there... where are you |
| 05:52.32 | PinkFreud | CutMeOwnThroat: crud. I'm in the wrong place. I think I was looking for #debian-users-going-to-hell |
| 05:52.33 | unkmar | well, good night. |
| 05:52.39 | nevyn | much as athiesm does seem to be the favored orientation. |
| 05:53.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | PinkFreud, at least someone seriously claimed that in here... (well, probably was a troll and only mock-serious) |
| 05:53.33 | PinkFreud | I think we scared him off. |
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| 05:53.49 | PinkFreud | wb nevyn :) |
| 05:53.53 | unkmar | nope. not scared, just exahuasted. |
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| 05:54.23 | PinkFreud | CutMeOwnThroat: sadly, doesn't surprise me |
| 05:54.26 | unkmar | keep losing focus and train of thought. Choo-choo. |
| 05:54.30 | nevyn | hrm |
| 05:55.31 | unkmar | wonders why rsync isn't installed by default. |
| 05:55.41 | Salvad1 | I was referring to this instead: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LucidReleaseSchedule, in example. |
| 05:55.49 | Salvad1 | CutMeOwnThroat. |
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| 06:01.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | PinkFreud, perhaps he thought this was something official? https://technichristian.net/2008/06/22/debian-40-server-guide-2.techni |
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| 06:13.57 | spersaud | CutMeOwnThroat: I dont care if you believe in god, but with a nick like that youre pretty much saying that you dont :) |
| 06:14.02 | zcat[1] | I don't have a /dev/dsp .. how does sound work in debian? How to I get sound going in kino without a /dev/dsp? |
| 06:14.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | spersaud, see what dpkg said up there... |
| 06:15.15 | spersaud | CutMeOwnThroat: oh ok |
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| 06:16.14 | cahoot | zcat[1]: let kino use alsa as output? |
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| 06:17.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | zcat[1], load snd_pcm_oss |
| 06:17.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh yes, or you could run it with "aoss programname" to force using alsa |
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| 06:17.54 | cahoot | Kino supports ALSA and defaults to it on new install. In Preferences/Audio/Audio Device, enter an ALSA PCM name |
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| 06:19.51 | nevyn | CutMeOwnThroat: so other than the horror with lighthttpd what's wrong with that? |
| 06:20.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | nevyn, wrong with what? |
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| 06:20.33 | nevyn | the tecnhichristian tutorial. |
| 06:21.04 | zcat[1] | how do I load snd_pcm_oss ? |
| 06:21.07 | nevyn | should write a theological argument as to why christians should use free software |
| 06:21.30 | zcat[1] | modprobe? |
| 06:21.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh that... nothing - I just speculated if the guy we thought was a troll was really serious about this being a christian channel/debian a christian distro |
| 06:22.00 | zcat[1] | ok, got it... |
| 06:22.17 | cahoot | zcat[1]: you don't see the option to let kino use native alsa? |
| 06:22.23 | zcat[1] | is there a 'sensible' place to set that up so I have a /dev/dsp at every boot? |
| 06:22.32 | nevyn | zcat[1]: modules.conf |
| 06:22.56 | zcat[1] | cahoot: no, I can't see that option. also I use multimon which has really no options at all... |
| 06:23.39 | zcat[1] | nevyn: you mean /etc/modules ? |
| 06:23.46 | spersaud | who started debian ? |
| 06:23.53 | zcat[1] | deb and ian! |
| 06:24.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, more like deb |
| 06:24.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | zcat[1], actually udev should load it when it's needed |
| 06:25.12 | nevyn | spersaud: Ian and Debra(sp?) Murdock |
| 06:25.16 | zcat[1] | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/ch-intro.en.html Ian Murdock, and his wife, Debra. |
| 06:25.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | err, more like ian |
| 06:25.58 | nevyn | yeah ok but it's named for both of them. |
| 06:26.18 | nevyn | vanity naming for the win |
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| 06:26.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | indeed... |
| 06:26.39 | zcat[1] | CutMeOwnThroat: problem is it's never 'needed' -- programs just look for /dev/dsp and give up.. |
| 06:27.03 | nsadmin | to have a vain naim for debain... |
| 06:27.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | nevyn, but it's a way to make yourself immortal... you'll be remembered for as long as the distribution exists |
| 06:27.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | even if it's as a vain prick who named it after himself :-P |
| 06:27.28 | spersaud | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/60/Debian-package-cycl.svg |
| 06:27.39 | zcat[1] | CutMeOwnThroat: kind of like Linux ;) |
| 06:27.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 06:27.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's a tradition! |
| 06:27.58 | nevyn | CutMeOwnThroat: git is the best vanity named project ever tho |
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| 06:29.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | nevyn, how so? |
| 06:29.27 | spersaud | smart guy name it after you wife so she feels special .. |
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| 06:29.39 | nevyn | CutMeOwnThroat: dict git |
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| 06:30.51 | nsadmin | and every package is a... |
| 06:30.55 | nsadmin | ...deb... |
| 06:30.57 | cahoot | zcat[1]: enter plughw:0,0 instead of /dev/dsp (if you want native alsa) |
| 06:31.12 | nevyn | sound is too complicated. |
| 06:31.19 | nevyn | jack is awesome however. |
| 06:31.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:31.30 | nevyn | everything should talk to jack. |
| 06:32.27 | nevyn | CutMeOwnThroat: ok that's not the definition I think of.. |
| 06:33.13 | zcat[1] | the problem is everyone has their own idea of how sound should work and writes their own damn sound susbsystem, and then every program has to support five different ways of doing sound (which none of them do) or every distro has to somehow cludge together all the different mixer frameworks that different programs might be expecting |
| 06:33.15 | nsadmin | a git is lower than spit in a pit... back in a bit! |
| 06:33.15 | nevyn | CutMeOwnThroat: here I think more a pretencious person |
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| 06:33.37 | zcat[1] | sound in linux is a mess |
| 06:33.42 | nevyn | CutMeOwnThroat: but you know who wrote git right? |
| 06:33.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah |
| 06:34.03 | zcat[1] | 'cos he was being a git about bitkeeper... |
| 06:34.10 | nsadmin | hint, he also wrote this kernel thing... |
| 06:34.27 | nevyn | well.. some would argue the bitkeeper author was being a git about licencing. |
| 06:34.43 | zcat[1] | well... |
| 06:34.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | nsadmin, Tanenbaum? |
| 06:34.52 | nsadmin | as far as I'm concerned it's McVoy who was being the git |
| 06:35.07 | nevyn | there's a video of linus presenting to google on git where he says it's called git because all his projects are named after himself. |
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| 06:35.39 | zcat[1] | I blame both of them. The git who used nonfree software to manage a 'free software' project and got himself into that mess is just as much to blame |
| 06:35.55 | nevyn | zcat[1]: I do like jack. |
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| 06:36.21 | nevyn | zcat[1]: syncronisation and low latency are really nice features in a audio system |
| 06:36.42 | nsadmin | started out with Tannenbaum's thing before getting into linux |
| 06:37.08 | nevyn | minix? |
| 06:37.14 | nevyn | scary. |
| 06:37.21 | nsadmin | yep |
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| 06:37.34 | nsadmin | as an exercise I rebuilt the lib |
| 06:38.14 | zcat[1] | dammit why is kino not on my sound and video menu? |
| 06:38.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | advertises #debian-offtopic |
| 06:38.55 | zcat[1] | and k3b... kde stuff is unchecked by default in debian's gnome menus?! |
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| 06:40.54 | zcat[1] | nevyn: that's the problem though, Mark seems to like pulse ... |
| 06:42.19 | zcat[1] | the audio system formerly named after a tumor |
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| 06:48.01 | wols_ | mmnicolas: when you run squeeze, you MUST follow the <nvidia squeeze> factoid or really bad things happen like the drivers not working |
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| 06:49.39 | jjkdai | I have forgotten the password for a rar file,Is there a way to unrar it? |
| 06:49.58 | wols_ | jjkdai: no. you need a password cracker for rar files |
| 06:50.37 | zcat[1] | wols_: as I found out the other day ;) |
| 06:50.56 | zcat[1] | wols_: (nvidia on squeeze, not password cracking) |
| 06:51.33 | jjkdai | how can I get a cracker application? |
| 06:51.52 | ham5 | download it |
| 06:52.10 | zcat[1] | cat /etc/dictionaries-common/words | while read word; do unrar x ...... ; done |
| 06:52.21 | zcat[1] | if you're lucky |
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| 06:54.12 | zcat[1] | !info lcrack |
| 06:54.40 | zcat[1] | no idea if that would be even remotely useful ;) |
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| 06:54.49 | dpkg | lcrack: (A generic password cracker), section utils, is optional. Version: 20040914-1 (sid), Packaged size: 36 kB, Installed size: 132 kB |
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| 06:56.48 | nevyn | zcat[1]: http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=pulse+audio+sucks&word2=phonon+sucks |
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| 06:58.07 | zcat[1] | Oh crap, there's ANOTHER one? I hadn't even heard of phonon. |
| 06:58.45 | shylent | hahah lucky you |
| 06:58.47 | nevyn | phonon is the kde4 stuff |
| 06:58.53 | nevyn | zcat[1]: it's just a shim tho |
| 06:58.54 | zcat[1] | stop writing new multimedia abstraction layers and make on of the six or eight we already have work better! |
| 06:59.07 | shylent | it doesnt quite suck though |
| 06:59.25 | nevyn | unlike pulse which does client combining like esd of old |
| 06:59.38 | nevyn | phonon just passes stuff through to jack or alsa or oss |
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| 07:01.45 | nevyn | I always kinda liked arts. |
| 07:01.54 | nevyn | it was too slow tho. |
| 07:02.09 | zcat[1] | I was quite happy with oss |
| 07:02.31 | wols_ | zcat[1]: no mixing. that kills it dead |
| 07:02.33 | nevyn | oss is filled with fail. |
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| 07:02.58 | nevyn | non-existant support for stuff like iec598 etc |
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| 07:03.33 | nevyn | doing anything sane requires memlocking the device making it single open |
| 07:03.38 | zcat[1] | hehe, ok, perhaps not oss |
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| 07:06.38 | wols_ | nevyn: iec598 is a standard for street lamps... |
| 07:06.44 | nevyn | oops |
| 07:06.56 | nevyn | I ment the spdif one3 |
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| 07:07.19 | nevyn | IEC958 |
| 07:07.34 | nevyn | right numbers wrong order.. |
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| 07:09.12 | wols_ | heh |
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| 07:10.02 | cahoot | wols_: impressing special knowledge displayed |
| 07:10.09 | zcat[1] | Hmm, serial mouse... how to enable it? |
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| 07:11.26 | zcat[1] | found it; inputattach --microsoft /dev/ttyS0 |
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| 07:12.10 | zcat[1] | hmm, not installed by default... |
| 07:12.41 | zcat[1] | sweet |
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| 07:14.23 | wols_ | the impressive knowledge displayed by using google you mean? |
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| 07:14.49 | zcat[1] | no, by sshint to another host where I already set this up |
| 07:15.31 | zcat[1] | I got given a few of these dictation mics, they have a trackball and buttons (serial mouse) and the mic is powered from the serial port. |
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| 07:16.25 | brbrbr | guys i had problem with initramfs(???) while its rebuild initramfs images[in boot]during kernel update its forgot about ...dm-crypt so this things "wait for root FS"[instead asking password] along, and then drop to busybox prompt. how to fix it ? :/ |
| 07:16.37 | cahoot | wols_: hmm never explain your tricks |
| 07:16.59 | wols_ | I fear for society if "using google" is a special trick :) |
| 07:17.35 | brbrbr | depend optic properties of such googles ;) |
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| 07:17.43 | brbrbr | let alone NV Googles ;) |
| 07:18.20 | zcat[1] | the googles! they do nothing! |
| 07:18.25 | brbrbr | -) |
| 07:18.42 | brbrbr | so nobody can say anything about my issue ? :/ |
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| 07:19.12 | zcat[1] | brbrbr: yeah, looks like you're pretty hosed! |
| 07:19.23 | brbrbr | hosed ? |
| 07:19.31 | zcat[1] | brbrbr: there will be a way to fix it, but I have no idea! |
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| 07:19.41 | brbrbr | don't say. i guess i need translation.google.com ? :) |
| 07:19.52 | brbrbr | zcat i hope |
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| 07:20.09 | wols_ | brbrbr: /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/ might help you. see the initramfs factoid and what it links to |
| 07:20.20 | zcat[1] | can you use the CD for a rescue boot with an encrypted filesystem? |
| 07:20.34 | brbrbr | yes, its work flawless |
| 07:20.49 | brbrbr | point is to get system WORKING |
| 07:21.02 | zcat[1] | ahh, ok. That's not so bad then |
| 07:21.28 | brbrbr | rescue mode of installer correctly detect dm-crypt and ask passwords but initramfs-built images - not :/ |
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| 07:22.22 | brbrbr | yet. for 1st time im rollback ramfs images from backup[lucky im 2 have one] as temporaly solution |
| 07:22.35 | wols_ | brbrbr: you should be able to tell initramfs-tools what to load in the above run-parts directory somehow. I |
| 07:22.48 | wols_ | I'd check the docs for initramfs-tools |
| 07:22.55 | brbrbr | wols_ tnx |
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| 07:27.25 | zcat[1] | OK, my next question; 01:07.0 Network controller: RaLink RT2800 802.11n PCI |
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| 07:27.38 | mum-n-dad | this is just too annoying |
| 07:27.40 | mum-n-dad | root@mum-n-dad:~/www/apps/test# apt-get uninstall mongrel_cluster |
| 07:27.40 | mum-n-dad | E: Invalid operation uninstall |
| 07:27.41 | mum-n-dad | root@mum-n-dad:~/www/apps/test# apt-get deinstall mongrel_cluster |
| 07:27.41 | mum-n-dad | E: Invalid operation deinstall |
| 07:27.41 | mum-n-dad | root@mum-n-dad:~/www/apps/test# apt-get remove mongrel_cluster |
| 07:27.41 | mum-n-dad | Reading package lists... Done |
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| 07:28.04 | zcat[1] | yes, I agree. that was annoying |
| 07:28.08 | mum-n-dad | This is just too annoying |
| 07:28.09 | mum-n-dad | root@mum-n-dad:~/www/apps/test# apt-get uninstall mongrel_cluster |
| 07:28.09 | mum-n-dad | E: Invalid operation uninstall |
| 07:28.09 | mum-n-dad | root@mum-n-dad:~/www/apps/test# apt-get deinstall mongrel_cluster |
| 07:28.09 | mum-n-dad | E: Invalid operation deinstall |
| 07:28.09 | mum-n-dad | root@mum-n-dad:~/www/apps/test# apt-get remove mongrel_cluster |
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| 07:28.31 | zcat[1] | and twice even! |
| 07:28.36 | simonrvn | !tell mum-n-dad -about paste |
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| 07:28.50 | simonrvn | that's the dumbest thing i've evre seen WRT pasting |
| 07:28.55 | simonrvn | ever* |
| 07:29.09 | maligor | I rather think it's a troll |
| 07:29.13 | wols_ | simonrvn: I was better once |
| 07:30.04 | simonrvn | maligor: probably. looks like they pasted in stuff |
| 07:30.19 | wols_ | I pasted dozens of screens worth due to irssi "select is copy" and right mousebutton pasting. and since irssi is a smart client, it throttles after three lines. minutes of pasting. fun for all! |
| 07:30.25 | simonrvn | well, you know what i mean i hope. i'm tired... |
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| 07:31.20 | simonrvn | wols_: oh my goodness. that happened to me once, but was only about 10-15 lines. and i was also using irssi. |
| 07:31.32 | mattgirv | irssi is great :) |
| 07:32.10 | wols_ | thankfully an op kicked me :) |
| 07:32.35 | simonrvn | i had accidentally selected the screen, and the load average was high, so x had been really unresponsive (this was back in the xfree86 4.x days) |
| 07:32.45 | zcat[1] | Hmm, just occured to me that I haven't even checked my wireless since upgradeing.. I should make sure it still isn't working before I ask how to make it work ;) |
| 07:33.23 | wols_ | I use putty as a "desktop background", mispasted and switched windows. I didn't even see what I did... |
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| 07:33.38 | simonrvn | i was intending to paste one line, but you know how the mouse can be sometimes under load... |
| 07:33.44 | wols_ | zcat[1]: if you ask, start with the pciid |
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| 07:34.07 | simonrvn | i'm more careful now ;) |
| 07:34.21 | wols_ | I'm just lucky :P |
| 07:34.37 | zcat[1] | what's a good thing for configuring wireless? wicd? |
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| 07:35.17 | mattgirv | zcat[1]: wicd is pretty lightweight. |
| 07:35.27 | wols_ | better than network-manager, that's for sure |
| 07:35.28 | mattgirv | zcat[1]: In a good way. |
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| 07:36.16 | zcat[1] | Hmmm, now is it finding no wireless becase the card isn't working or because my dodgy AP didn;t come up again ;) |
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| 07:36.38 | mattgirv | zcat[1]: Can you not manually apply your ssid? |
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| 07:37.52 | zcat[1] | W00T! I have wireless |
| 07:37.57 | zcat[1] | that was easy! |
| 07:38.07 | mattgirv | heh, what'd you do? |
| 07:38.26 | zcat[1] | ran wicd, saw no ap's, logged into router and restarted AP.. |
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| 07:38.37 | mattgirv | ah lol. nice |
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| 07:38.52 | zcat[1] | dumb router doesn't always bring wireless up on a reboot |
| 07:39.08 | mattgirv | I wasn't sure if you had a hidden ssid. Can be really hit and miss getting it working I've found. |
| 07:39.16 | zcat[1] | but until upgrading from stable, I definately didn't have wireless at all |
| 07:40.33 | zcat[1] | don't believe in hidden ssid's or mac filtering, they just make it harder to get stuff working. the 'extra security' over WPA is like pissing in the ocean... |
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| 07:53.01 | brbrbr | oh initramfs-tools i with quite short man :/ |
| 07:53.26 | brbrbr | "below usual" info level :[ |
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| 08:00.10 | brbrbr | but at bright side i discover that LUKS can works with stored keys[like bitlocker or truecrypt], not only plain passwords on wire[easily wiretaped and recorded], but also with stored ones |
| 08:00.30 | brbrbr | like desc here for example http://wejn.org/how-to-make-passwordless-cryptsetup.html |
| 08:00.36 | GNU\colossus | of course it can. how bad would it be if it couldn't? |
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| 08:00.55 | GNU\colossus | even if you use a passphrase, that's only used to decrypt the secret it actually encrypts your data with. |
| 08:01.18 | brbrbr | seriously. if wks/server owners really expect physical intrusion and hardware equipment in attempt to illegaly access info |
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| 08:02.01 | brbrbr | yep. but point is to keep things away from unencrypted AND easily obscurable place |
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| 08:02.23 | brbrbr | you can easily carry you pwd/secred in you usb-tumb or cellphone |
| 08:02.29 | brbrbr | or even in BT handsfree |
| 08:02.33 | brbrbr | and etc and etc |
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| 08:03.08 | brbrbr | thats what lesson MS learnt from 2000 attack. so two-way auth become mandatory all over campus |
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| 08:08.52 | brbrbr | so found missed "hooks" folder content under etc/initramfs-tools/hooks :/ |
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| 08:11.44 | brbrbr | 4om here https://bugs.launchpad.net/initramfs-tools/+bug/213279 |
| 08:12.03 | brbrbr | point is everyrhing works ok for years, then ... booom !! |
| 08:12.33 | brbrbr | after clamav corruption, linux-firmware from bpo and [i guess]script kiddies onslaught for while |
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| 08:12.46 | brbrbr | which is usually not make troubles :/ |
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| 08:12.51 | brbrbr | as much as my cat does) |
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| 08:12.59 | yannf | hello, I have a problem with gksu |
| 08:13.16 | yannf | on a new install, even root can't edit System -> Administration in Gnome |
| 08:13.16 | brbrbr | hi. this disturb you ? wanna talk about? |
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| 08:13.31 | yannf | gksu -S -d users-admin give "You are not allowed to access the system configuration." |
| 08:13.38 | brbrbr | you mean "users-admin" tool ? |
| 08:13.45 | yannf | idem for gksu -w -d users-admin |
| 08:13.52 | yannf | brbrbr, yes |
| 08:13.54 | brbrbr | o |
| 08:14.06 | brbrbr | im manully edit users in that case :/ |
| 08:14.10 | brbrbr | simpler ) |
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| 08:14.31 | brbrbr | or[if you had KDE portions in you OS]use KDE UI tools :-P |
| 08:15.08 | yannf | well, I can't edit nothing in System -> Administration |
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| 08:15.33 | manixor | Hi all. I'm using Iceweasel 3.5.8, and I enter to a site and I get this message: "requires a Java Compatible web browser to run. ", what I need to install to resolve this issue? |
| 08:16.45 | mmnicolas | ok, squeeze is awesome, all my bluetooth adapters now works beyond my expectations |
| 08:17.42 | HackeMate | hello, i am trying to enable some effects to my gnome, but I don't find the tab "Effects" on my apperance dialog, should I install something to get this feature? I dont have compiz icon or those things |
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| 08:20.03 | alexbligh | How do I add a new flavour/subflavour to a lenny debian kernel? I've done this for ubuntu, but debian.master does not appear to exist in lenny |
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| 08:23.46 | wols_ | !tell manixor about install java |
| 08:25.08 | cahoot | alexbligh: care to elucidate the concept of 'flavour' wrt kernel? |
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| 08:29.04 | HackeMate | http://pastebin.com/suWyRB3L |
| 08:30.29 | mastro | I've installed flash player (non-free) from the repository and executed update-flash-player-nonfree --install --verbose.. it download and install flash player 10. but if I close and re-open firefox 3 it say that i'm using flash player 9.... Do I have to do something more then update-flash-player-nonfree ? |
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| 08:37.02 | mastro | ok.. I finded flashplayer under my .mozilla/plugins folder ......... now, do anybody know where Google Chrome for linux put the setting directory? |
| 08:37.51 | nsadmin | mastro: is google chrom for linux come from a debian package? |
| 08:38.26 | nsadmin | if so you could use dpkg to query it (dpkg --help) |
| 08:38.28 | mastro | nsadmin, yeah, I know that's OT... |
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| 08:38.41 | zinx | well, he's not using the debianized flash player, so i don't see why he'd use the chromium package :P |
| 08:39.20 | mastro | nsadmin, :) it's a debian package but not from the repo... anyway by dpkg can find the "installed" files but not the home folder setting :) and it seems they are under .config/google-chrome/ anyway |
| 08:39.39 | nsadmin | then you could use dpkg to query it (dpkg --help) |
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| 08:40.40 | nsadmin | so you were able to find them, is that surprising? :) |
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| 08:42.30 | HackeMate | i am using this graphic card product: G92 [GeForce GTS 250] - i had to install the sid driver (at december) because it were not supported |
| 08:42.40 | HackeMate | could be that the reason because I dont have the visual effects enabled now? |
| 08:42.49 | alexbligh | cahoot, kernel flavour is a variant of the architecture, i.e. what you see on the build line as " binary-arch_<architecture>_<featureset>_<flavour> |
| 08:42.49 | alexbligh | " |
| 08:42.51 | HackeMate | wrong driver, or something like that |
| 08:43.08 | HackeMate | I tried to run compiz and it says Xgl is not present, but glxinfo says Yes |
| 08:43.21 | ham5 | reinstall video driver? |
| 08:43.24 | alexbligh | cahoot, per debian/README.debian in the kernel source |
| 08:44.16 | HackeMate | reinstall? that's windows mode isn't? heh, I'm a bit scared to switch to sid and install a driver unsure if will work |
| 08:44.32 | ham5 | use the driver from nvidia |
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| 08:45.41 | HackeMate | do you know what my problem is, ham5? |
| 08:45.57 | dkay | hello #debian. can it causes problems when once used aptitude to switch back to apt-get? |
| 08:46.05 | dkay | then? |
| 08:46.36 | ham5 | they are different clients dkay but I dont think so |
| 08:46.58 | nuscire | hey, guys. how do you usually separate the words in a filename? dash, underscore, or space? |
| 08:47.02 | dkay | someone saif, once used aptitude to go back to apt-get can causes db errors |
| 08:47.06 | dkay | said* |
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| 08:47.16 | dkay | cause of the dependencies |
| 08:47.42 | dkay | !aptitude |
| 08:47.42 | dpkg | somebody said aptitude was a terminal-based package manager that can be used in a command-line mode (aptitude install foo ; aptitude remove goo) as well as a text user interface mode (just run "aptitude"). Ask me about <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu> or see http://wiki.debian.org/Aptitude |
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| 08:47.57 | dkay | !why aptitude |
| 08:47.57 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often find a solution where apt-get gives up. It can be used from the command line like apt-get plus an interactive resolver makes it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). |
| 08:48.43 | dkay | is it true? can it causes db errors cause of dependencies when we go back to apt-get? |
| 08:48.55 | ham5 | um the bot just said no |
| 08:49.07 | dkay | did he? |
| 08:49.18 | dkay | no, he explained what aptitude is and why aptitude |
| 08:49.24 | ham5 | trolling? |
| 08:49.30 | dkay | sry? |
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| 08:50.15 | dkay | aptitude has more advanced confplict dependencys |
| 08:50.26 | dkay | that means he knows better and more then apt-get |
| 08:50.44 | dkay | so once used aptitude we shouldnt go back to apt-get or? |
| 08:51.15 | MyWay | hello, i'd like to backup /var/lib/mysql/ using rsync, but i've read it's better to stop mysql or flush tables before, how can i flush them in a script? |
| 08:51.35 | dkay | or using both togehter |
| 08:51.35 | dkay | ? |
| 08:51.50 | iceroot | MyWay: why not using mysqldump? |
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| 08:52.27 | ham5 | has to be an easy google search |
| 08:52.29 | MyWay | iceroot: isn't rsync a better solution? it replicates all database and users on the backup serrver, or not? |
| 08:52.35 | wr| | or mysqlhotcopy? |
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| 08:52.56 | wr| | which claims to be "the fastest way to make a backup of the database" |
| 08:53.22 | MyWay | wr|: can i backup users, also? |
| 08:53.39 | wr| | iirc mysql stores users in a database called "mysql" |
| 08:53.46 | wr| | but I may be mistaken |
| 08:53.50 | OpenTokix | yes it does |
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| 08:56.53 | MyWay | so after i've done the backup with mysqlhotcopy i can transfer it with rsync and then restore it from the backup server? |
| 08:57.20 | wr| | yes, in theory |
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| 08:57.56 | Jckf|Work | I have two processes named md0_raid1 and md0_resync. These are keeping my load average at roughly 1.5 constantly. Is this normal? The system was just installed. |
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| 08:58.15 | iksik | hello |
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| 08:58.23 | HackeMate | ham5: I switched to sid, and this is what I get http://pastebin.com/2AshJ2gi do you want tell me if that's fairly safe? I don't want break my stable system today |
| 08:58.24 | Mark_ | Jckf|Work, if you used software raid, yes |
| 08:58.37 | Mark_ | Jckf|Work, the arrays are probably doing their initial syncing, you can do cat /proc/mdstat to see some more info |
| 08:58.45 | Mark_ | i.e. progress, arrays on the system, etc |
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| 08:59.02 | Jckf|Work | Mark_: Thank you. Just what I wanted to hear |
| 08:59.05 | nsadmin | how would I find out if the inkscape in sid/squeeze is simple-backportable to lenny? |
| 08:59.17 | iksik | http://pastebin.com/NKpbVgw2 - what can I do, to fix this? |
| 08:59.22 | iksik | :> |
| 08:59.30 | Jckf|Work | 79.9% done |
| 08:59.34 | Jckf|Work | Ok =) |
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| 09:00.01 | wr| | nsadmin, grab the source try? |
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| 09:00.41 | wr| | iksik, Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages |
| 09:01.06 | iksik | wr| http://pastebin.com/i55zv0kC |
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| 09:01.30 | iceroot | MyWay: no rsync is a bad idea for making database-backups |
| 09:01.46 | iceroot | MyWay: use mysqldump, its automaticly locking the dbs |
| 09:02.06 | iceroot | MyWay: you only need the dump for a complete backup, not the files |
| 09:02.47 | MyWay | iceroot: i'm searching the best way to backup users/databases send to a backup server and then restore to the backup server, is mysqldump better, or mysqlhotcopy? |
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| 09:03.10 | iksik | 'MyWay mysqldump is better |
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| 09:03.37 | iceroot | MyWay: as i said already, mysqldump |
| 09:03.50 | MyWay | ok, i'll do with mysqldump |
| 09:03.51 | iksik | MyWay hotcopy like binary logs, are forces You to use the same database version to restore all data |
| 09:04.05 | iksik | afair ;] |
| 09:04.23 | iksik | wr| what can I do with it? |
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| 09:05.47 | bzed | iksik: but for *large* databases mysqldump is just too slow, especially as you should use it with --opt to keep the database in a consistent state |
| 09:06.04 | bzed | there is no way around mysqlhotcopy or other crap then |
| 09:06.10 | bzed | backupping mysql sucks |
| 09:06.16 | iksik | well, it does :-) |
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| 09:06.45 | MyWay | all my database together should be < 200mb, i didn't say it |
| 09:07.17 | iceroot | MyWay: and again, use mysqldump |
| 09:07.22 | MyWay | good :) |
| 09:07.26 | liable | meh, squeeze installer isnt finding my e1000 card.. |
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| 09:08.11 | bzed | iceroot, MyWay: I hope you both read what I wrote above. |
| 09:08.34 | iceroot | bzed: 200mb is not a big-database |
| 09:09.01 | themill | 200 millibits is probably quite a small database... |
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| 09:09.55 | MyWay | yes bzed, i've read what you wrote, also |
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| 09:10.43 | Jckf|Work | 0.2 bits |
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| 09:10.51 | Jckf|Work | How do you even do that? |
| 09:11.22 | zinx | Jckf|Work: lzip |
| 09:11.34 | Jckf|Work | Hehe |
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| 09:15.28 | HackeMate | http://pastebin.com/PHugVTiw - using driver nvidia 195. (lastest reinstalled) |
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| 09:16.36 | bzed | MyWay: to answer your question properly: migrate to postgres and use wal backup ;) |
| 09:16.51 | MyWay | eheh |
| 09:17.56 | MyWay | iceroot: can something like that do the job? http://debian.pastebin.com/THpPJLJM |
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| 09:20.03 | iceroot | MyWay: if the user "backup" can read all databases, yes |
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| 09:20.30 | MyWay | ok, i'll try, thank you all for the help and the explaination |
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| 09:21.06 | iceroot | MyWay: but its called --all-databases |
| 09:21.16 | MyWay | ah, true |
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| 09:29.21 | ethanol | mornin' all |
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| 09:31.11 | dupondje | I downloaded the source of a debian kernel, but how can I apply all the patches in the debian/ directory ? |
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| 09:34.10 | jelly | dupondje: perhaps you want to read http://wiki.debian.org/DebianKernel and http://wiki.debian.org/HowToRebuildAnOfficialDebianKernelPackage in particular |
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| 09:34.52 | dupondje | thx :D |
| 09:34.55 | dupondje | make -f debian/rules source-all was the thing :) |
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| 09:41.23 | dupondje | jelly: make -f debian/rules source-all seems to test the patches, not really apply them :s |
| 09:42.08 | jelly | dupondje: read the whole thing |
| 09:42.28 | jelly | and preferably follow it |
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| 09:42.51 | DelphiWorld | hi all |
| 09:42.56 | DelphiWorld | how do i show my local users? |
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| 09:43.36 | jelly | DelphiWorld: list all existing users? All logged in users? |
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| 09:44.00 | DelphiWorld | jelly: all users |
| 09:44.39 | brbrbr | "showmethemoney...erm..users -now" ? |
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| 09:45.35 | brbrbr | "who" ? |
| 09:45.43 | brbrbr | users |
| 09:45.45 | brbrbr | and etc |
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| 09:46.56 | SlayerXP | I appear to be being thick. make-kpkg appears to have lost the "--added-patch=foo" option, how do I now correctly build debian kernels with specific patches applied? |
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| 09:48.21 | BenjaminWilk | hey... |
| 09:48.34 | BenjaminWilk | i have a problem with debian shortcuts |
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| 09:48.59 | BenjaminWilk | if i want to copy a text and press strg+c, that process table opens |
| 09:49.36 | BenjaminWilk | if i go to the preferences of shortcuts then i can see, that the shortcut for the process manager is strg+esc |
| 09:49.37 | BenjaminWilk | :-/ |
| 09:49.59 | Worf | BenjaminWilk: hmm - ctr-c should actually end the app .. |
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| 09:50.21 | BenjaminWilk | ctrl c should copy |
| 09:50.21 | BenjaminWilk | or? |
| 09:50.26 | Worf | depends |
| 09:50.47 | BenjaminWilk | hm i think so |
| 09:51.15 | BenjaminWilk | if i look into the preferences, if can see ctrl+c to copy |
| 09:51.28 | BenjaminWilk | secundary crtl+ins |
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| 09:54.25 | Worf | what preferences do you mean? vimrc ? |
| 09:54.38 | Worf | bashrc? |
| 09:55.10 | Worf | BenjaminWilk: maybe you should specify the software you talk about! |
| 09:55.37 | BenjaminWilk | no via k-menu |
| 09:55.39 | BenjaminWilk | and then... |
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| 09:59.44 | Worf | iksik: dpkg --listfiles <package> will tell you. they usually should go according to Filesystem Hierarchy Standard to /usr/include i think? |
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| 10:45.21 | elnur | How to call a command from another user? |
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| 10:48.26 | ham5 | su ? |
| 10:48.47 | aw84 | su - -c 'command' |
| 10:48.57 | aw84 | as root :) |
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| 10:50.12 | jnz_ | http://www.theage.com.au/technology/technology-news/please-explain-why-google-wants-your-wifi-data-20100513-uyyh.html |
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| 10:55.02 | Str82DHeaD | Hi guys!!! i have a raid5 web server, which has 3 disks. 2 of them are down and the OS can't load. In BIOS the three disks are visible. It's a software mdadm raid.... So my question is how do I proceed? I can load live CD. And another question - Do "fsck /dev/sda1" will do any bad things ? |
| 10:56.06 | MeglaW | this is a hw question and not debian, but your fucked, if 2 drives in a array of 3 died, you can recreate that data. |
| 10:56.42 | MeglaW | u should download <hdd manufacturer> har drive test boot disk and run that program to check if you disks are dead |
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| 10:58.50 | Breaking_Pitt | someone knows how can I install python-storm in debian? |
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| 11:00.03 | Str82DHeaD | MeglaW, | the disks seem fine. I let them do some bios self tests. I think the problem comes from the software RAID |
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| 11:00.52 | MeglaW | software wow |
| 11:01.03 | MeglaW | what software |
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| 11:01.13 | MeglaW | mdadm.. |
| 11:01.30 | MeglaW | what does mdadm manpage say about this situation? |
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| 11:04.03 | ham5 | game over |
| 11:04.39 | shylent | well, you'd just have to restore your data from the latest daily backup so no sweat |
| 11:04.44 | shylent | sorry, couldnt resist :) |
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| 11:05.49 | djdarkman | hello, does someone know what to write in /etc/network interfaces so that network manager recognizes eth0? |
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| 11:06.50 | bbd | Str82DHeaD: first boot some linux live CD, check smart info and run smart tests if necessary to make sure what is the status with your hw |
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| 11:07.40 | e-mode | djdarkman: http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkManager - anyway as far as I know /etc/network/interfaces has to have NO entry whatsover about eth0 for network manager to use it |
| 11:08.08 | ham5 | thought /etc/network was just for dhcp |
| 11:08.20 | shylent | uhh no not really |
| 11:08.43 | shylent | 'man interfaces' tells a different story |
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| 11:10.26 | djdarkman | network manager tends to ignore interfaces if they are set up in /etc/network/interfaces... |
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| 11:10.36 | fluffymuffins | hey is kernel 2.6-25 still available from source?? i am trying to install it but its a no go |
| 11:11.16 | djdarkman | never mind the cable wasn't plugged in properly(too bad netbook doesn't have an indicator led) |
| 11:11.35 | ham5 | good one |
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| 11:12.31 | abrotman | djdarkman: which kernel? |
| 11:12.36 | dutchfish | fluffymuffins: a debian sourc epackage or vanilla? |
| 11:12.37 | abrotman | erm .. fluffymuffins: which kernel? |
| 11:12.49 | abrotman | 2.6-25 isn't the version you want probably |
| 11:12.54 | fluffymuffins | debian |
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| 11:13.19 | fluffymuffins | i am currently trying to make a cluster, jst for fun :D |
| 11:13.28 | abrotman | fluffymuffins: which kernel do you really want? |
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| 11:14.54 | fluffymuffins | really i want 2.6.33.4, but this documentation on debianclusters says to go with 2.6-25 |
| 11:15.08 | fluffymuffins | sorry i have never really messed around with kernals b4 lol |
| 11:15.15 | abrotman | that can't be what it really says .. what is the URL ? |
| 11:15.23 | abrotman | 2.6-25 isn't a kernel version |
| 11:15.40 | fluffymuffins | http://www.debianclusters.org/index.php/Setting_Up_the_Kernel_Build_Environment |
| 11:16.06 | abrotman | fluffymuffins: that's a metapackage .. that's not a real kernel version |
| 11:16.13 | fluffymuffins | aaaugh |
| 11:16.48 | abrotman | fluffymuffins: but it was actually using a 2.6.25 .. and those are no longer in debian .. |
| 11:16.49 | cizarr | how do i associate my localhost to my hostname? i mean when i nmap localhost i can see the full services/port list and when nmap my domain like example.com i only see partial list of services.. |
| 11:16.56 | abrotman | and haven't been for uh .. 18 months? |
| 11:17.15 | abrotman | likely that was a typo? |
| 11:17.19 | abrotman | fluffymuffins: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=linux-source |
| 11:17.40 | fluffymuffins | lol thanks |
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| 11:17.57 | abrotman | fluffymuffins: if you're on lenny, aptitude install linux-source .. should get the current source |
| 11:18.17 | fluffymuffins | hmmm |
| 11:18.18 | ham5 | you cant nmap yourself to test closed or stealth ports cizarr |
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| 11:18.51 | abrotman | cizarr: maybe you sohuld be using netstat instead ? |
| 11:21.12 | fluffymuffins | according to this, 2.6.26 is the most current?? i thought it was .33... or is it just not in the repo? im confused |
| 11:21.30 | dutchfish | fluffymuffins: thats right |
| 11:21.43 | fluffymuffins | ah crap |
| 11:21.48 | fluffymuffins | oh wel |
| 11:21.58 | dutchfish | fluffymuffins: 2.6.33 is the latest vanilla stable but it isnt in lenny (stable) |
| 11:22.22 | fluffymuffins | ya that makes sense |
| 11:22.28 | dutchfish | fluffymuffins: go by the kernel your debian version provide, even if you have to recompile it |
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| 11:22.52 | ham5 | I use the newest stable vanilla |
| 11:23.04 | abrotman | sorry |
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| 11:23.37 | fluffymuffins | already installed the .26, i guess i will just use this for now. |
| 11:23.50 | dutchfish | !tell fluffymuffins about kpmantra |
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| 11:25.36 | fluffymuffins | what is kpmantra? |
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| 11:25.50 | dutchfish | my mistake it is gone from the dpkg bot |
| 11:25.59 | dutchfish | sorry |
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| 11:26.05 | fluffymuffins | lol k |
| 11:26.15 | dutchfish | he? |
| 11:26.17 | abrotman | !tell fluffymuffins about kp mantra |
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| 11:26.31 | dutchfish | abrotman: thanks |
| 11:28.16 | fluffymuffins | hmmm |
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| 11:39.19 | dkay | hello debian |
| 11:39.27 | dkay | is there a simple way to rename a folder? |
| 11:39.45 | ham5 | mv? |
| 11:39.47 | iceroot | dkay: mv oldname newname |
| 11:40.09 | dkay | mv would mv the directory |
| 11:40.14 | dkay | with copy process? |
| 11:40.18 | iceroot | dkay: no |
| 11:40.25 | dkay | ah ok |
| 11:40.36 | dkay | should i use mv -R ? |
| 11:40.46 | dkay | when i have subfolders as well? |
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| 11:41.41 | dosius | no |
| 11:41.49 | iceroot | dkay: mv oldname newname |
| 11:41.59 | ham5 | not nessecary, thats why its simple |
| 11:42.02 | ham5 | :) |
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| 11:42.57 | dkay | ok thsnk |
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| 11:44.23 | OldParr | any solution for this error when startintg VirtualBox -----------> /usr/lib/virtualbox/VirtualBox: error while loading shared libraries: /usr/lib/virtualbox/VBoxRT.so: cannot restore segment prot after reloc: Permission denied ? |
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| 11:46.36 | jelly | OldParr: are you using a custom kernel? Which debian release? |
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| 11:47.43 | OldParr | uname -a ------------> Linux debian-station 2.6.26-2-686 #1 SMP Thu Mar 11 23:19:46 UTC 2010 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 11:47.57 | timeoh | how to set no ip address in interfaces? |
| 11:48.13 | ham5 | " no ip address " ? |
| 11:48.20 | timeoh | the interface should be up but without an ip address |
| 11:48.33 | timeoh | because of openvpn |
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| 11:48.55 | ham5 | if its up its going to have an ip |
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| 11:49.05 | ham5 | I would think |
| 11:49.11 | OldParr | uname -a |
| 11:49.26 | ham5 | Linux localhost 2.6.33.4h3g #2 SMP Wed May 12 19:17:56 HADT 2010 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
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| 11:49.39 | timeoh | no in case of openvpn the interface which will be bridged must be up but without an ip. the ip gets ne interface over the bridge-start script |
| 11:50.18 | timeoh | i tried static an ip address 0.0.0.0 but it doest work. ifconfig ethx 0.0.0.0 does work |
| 11:51.14 | jelly | OldParr: hm, that's normal debian 5 kernel; no idea then. You could ask in #vbox perhaps |
| 11:52.45 | OldParr | jelly: i had just one kernel but after triying to configure vbox then another one appeared on the grub menu, i installed it without know |
| 11:53.06 | ham5 | timeoh just set them to a local 192.168 ip |
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| 11:54.20 | OldParr | jelly: debian-station:/home/wayuu# ls /boot --------> config-2.6.26-2-486 initrd.img-2.6.26-2-686 vmlinuz-2.6.26-2-486 config-2.6.26-2-686 initrd.img-2.6.26-2-686.bak vmlinuz-2.6.26-2-686 grub System.map-2.6.26-2-486 initrd.img-2.6.26-2-486 System.map-2.6.26-2-686 |
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| 11:54.57 | icebrain | anyone tried setting up ad-hoc connections with drivers zd1211rw? ifconfig wlan1 up return "SIOCSIFFLAGS: Operation not supported" |
| 11:54.58 | timeoh | ham5: ok openvpn accepts this? |
| 11:55.21 | ham5 | openvpn is a server?? |
| 11:55.31 | timeoh | ham5: yes for sure |
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| 11:56.02 | timeoh | ham5: ill try your idea. |
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| 11:56.05 | ham5 | why wouldent it 'accept' it? |
| 11:56.35 | timeoh | ham5: because ne manual says the interface that will be bridged should get an ip through the bridge-start script |
| 11:57.06 | ham5 | so there you go the script is going to change it anyway |
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| 11:57.29 | timeoh | ham5: yeah i dont know why but its true if i set an ip ist does not work |
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| 12:00.17 | ondrejk | hi, i'm trying to create load balancing cluster for mysql database, is there any way for creatinig it without using packages not in repository? |
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| 12:04.07 | fluffymuffins | hey i was just here and i got another dilema. after installing pvfs2, i ran make kmod and came up with "no rule to make target 'kmod'" |
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| 12:13.53 | dutchfish | fluffymuffins: wild gues: does it need to run configure? (i have no idee about your source) |
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| 12:14.15 | gulash | please go in this site http://www.tryfreecandysample.com?i=46631 |
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| 12:15.12 | fluffymuffins | dutchfish: already have xD |
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| 12:20.45 | fluffymuffins | dutchfish: what should i do? without pvfs support, the kernal will not run the cluster :( |
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| 12:21.53 | dutchfish | fluffymuffins: i can only give general suggestions, the first thing to check is if all your dependecies are in place, 2nd are all the file in place like Makefile.am etc and check there contents |
| 12:22.21 | dutchfish | fluffymuffins: and do you have setup a proper build envirenment? |
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| 12:23.17 | dutchfish | fluffymuffins: this is actually beyond the scope of this channel btw |
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| 12:24.33 | fluffymuffins | dutchfish: as in kernel-package and libncurses5? yes. and what channel should i go to? |
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| 12:25.42 | dutchfish | fluffymuffins: last but not least if you have a debian source packages, you compile and pack it with dpkg-buildpackage (see its manpage) -b for binay packages only |
| 12:26.35 | dutchfish | fluffymuffins: #debian-devel at OFTC maybe |
| 12:26.53 | dutchfish | fluffymuffins: that is if your q are debian related about building |
| 12:27.18 | dutchfish | fluffymuffins: it might as well turn out that there are better alternatives to it |
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| 12:28.20 | fluffymuffins | aaagh brain fart! how do i get out of this friggin man page? |
| 12:28.39 | dutchfish | fluffymuffins: huh? q ? |
| 12:28.45 | fluffymuffins | oh |
| 12:28.46 | fluffymuffins | ok |
| 12:29.13 | dutchfish | fluffymuffins: mm... maybe start with the basics? |
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| 12:29.52 | fluffymuffins | lol no its just been about 4 months or so since i have touched linux. still remember alot, but still. bad memory lol |
| 12:31.55 | Juzzy | heh. |
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| 12:34.00 | WhiteCrow1 | hi all |
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| 12:44.02 | djura-san | o/ |
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| 12:51.20 | PinkFreud | Cueball: heheh |
| 12:51.23 | fluffymuffins | dutchfish: well that was interesting |
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| 12:51.59 | dutchfish | scratches head |
| 12:52.21 | fluffymuffins | dutchfish: lol what do you suggest |
| 12:53.04 | dutchfish | fluffymuffins: can you hand me a link to what page you are following at the moment, i could give it a shot |
| 12:53.34 | fluffymuffins | http://www.debianclusters.org/index.php/Main_Page |
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| 12:54.26 | fluffymuffins | install was easy, as it always is, but now i am stuck with the pvfs2... |
| 12:56.01 | fluffymuffins | dutchfish: thanks for doing this by the way. i can imagine how that must have been for you over in #debian-devel |
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| 12:56.47 | fluffymuffins | dutchfish: and btw for future reference I am a girl ^^ |
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| 12:58.39 | dutchfish | fluffymuffins: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/348 |
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| 12:58.53 | dutchfish | fluffymuffins: scroll down alot or better read it all |
| 12:59.00 | plus_M | How do I add the hd-media installer to grub2? |
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| 12:59.19 | dutchfish | fluffymuffins: np |
| 12:59.41 | plus_M | if I just drop the images into a subdirectory under /boot will update-grub locate it automagically? |
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| 13:01.34 | fluffymuffins | dutchfish: so use ocfs2 instead? |
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| 13:02.45 | dutchfish | fluffymuffins: i you followed the links inside there is a hint to ftp://ftp.parl.clemson.edu/pub/pvfs2/pvfs-2.8.2.tar.gz which might be what you need (i cant test it myself atm) |
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| 13:04.09 | dutchfish | fluffymuffins: i asume this one is for newer kernels like the one in lenny |
| 13:04.42 | fluffymuffins | dutchfish: 2.8.2 is already installed, just not made with the kernal yet. 'kmod' has no target |
| 13:06.10 | fluffymuffins | dutchfish: i have kernel 2.6.26 installed. |
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| 13:07.27 | dutchfish | fluffymuffins: can you hand me the outcome of: grep "KMOD" .config of you kernel |
| 13:08.23 | dutchfish | fluffymuffins: or grep "KMOD" /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 13:08.50 | fluffymuffins | dammit it froze |
| 13:09.07 | dutchfish | fluffymuffins: huh? |
| 13:10.19 | fluffymuffins | dutchfish: the comp. it locked up. you have to understand what i am working with is 4 p3 machines with 256mb ram... this one decided to freeze i guess |
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| 13:10.33 | dutchfish | fluffymuffins: because in newer kernels KMOD is inside the kernel already you need to just enable it, it is no longer needed as a package |
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| 13:11.17 | unixp | which is the easiest way to resize the system partition in debian lenny 5.0.4 Xfce? |
| 13:12.17 | unixp | with gparted? |
| 13:12.31 | dutchfish | fluffymuffins: but it is probably not set per default |
| 13:13.41 | dutchfish | fluffymuffins: because of this you probably need to alter thebuild source (at least the makefile) to not build kmod* |
| 13:14.13 | dutchfish | fluffymuffins: maybe you can get away by just skipping it |
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| 13:14.29 | fluffymuffins | ok, "CONFIG_KMOD=y CONFIG_X86_P4_CLOCKMOD=m" |
| 13:14.43 | dutchfish | fluffymuffins: looks good |
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| 13:15.26 | fluffymuffins | dutchfish: so i do not need to build kmod? |
| 13:15.31 | dutchfish | fluffymuffins: the second one if not of our concern btw |
| 13:15.40 | fluffymuffins | ah ok |
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| 13:15.57 | dutchfish | fluffymuffins: no it is already in the kernel (when you have build it) |
| 13:16.06 | fluffymuffins | hmm |
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| 13:16.08 | fluffymuffins | interesting |
| 13:16.10 | fluffymuffins | ok |
| 13:16.50 | dutchfish | fluffymuffins: i hope this helps a bit |
| 13:16.52 | plus_M | Is there any way to use a custom mirror when doing a netinstall? |
| 13:17.03 | plus_M | I have a mirror on campus that's not on the mirrorlist for the netinstall image |
| 13:17.07 | fluffymuffins | dutchfish: it actually simplified things alot |
| 13:17.09 | fluffymuffins | thanks |
| 13:17.15 | dutchfish | fluffymuffins: yw |
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| 13:21.18 | helo | i need to install g++ 3.4 on lenny... i noticed that gcc 3.4 is included, but not g++ :/ |
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| 13:23.40 | dutchfish | helo: http://packages.debian.org/lenny/g++ |
| 13:24.02 | dutchfish | helo: so aptitude should happely install it |
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| 13:25.04 | dutchfish | helo: unless you are on arch alfa |
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| 13:25.17 | helo | dutchfish: lenny includes g++ 4.3, not 3.4 |
| 13:25.38 | dutchfish | helo: yes |
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| 13:26.34 | helo | realizes the solution is to install etch |
| 13:27.09 | themill | or to use a newer g++ |
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| 13:28.04 | helo | our deployment environment uses g++ 3.4, and i just ran across a bad incompatiblity where (probably libstdc++) a struct was being zero-initialized on my test setup, but not when deployed |
| 13:28.32 | Caelum | what was the package in sid that does the new dependency booting? |
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| 13:29.52 | dutchfish | Caelum: you mean systemd or upstart? |
| 13:30.20 | Caelum | dutchfish: dunno, something told me I can't use the new booting mechanism until I put proper LSB tags into my custom init scripts |
| 13:30.24 | dutchfish | Caelum: being systemd th enew kid on the block |
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| 13:31.40 | dutchfish | Caelum: http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/systemd__an_interesting_alternative_to_upstart.html |
| 13:32.02 | helo | i'm already using a chroot, so it won't be a big deal to debootstrap etch |
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| 13:32.33 | Caelum | dutchfish: neat thank you! |
| 13:32.44 | dutchfish | helo: why not patch your source oldstable will be gone when squeeze comes out |
| 13:32.56 | dutchfish | Caelum: yw |
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| 13:34.03 | helo | dutchfish: i can patch this particular instance of the problem (have already), but it Just Makes Sense to be testing using the same library versions that will be used upon deployment |
| 13:34.15 | dutchfish | helo: true |
| 13:34.29 | helo | and debootstrap makes it pretty easy to get an etch environment going |
| 13:34.30 | k1ng\ | can anyone check dns of http://k1ngdom.net/? please? |
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| 13:35.25 | dutchfish | helo: yep |
| 13:35.57 | jordanm | k1ng\: why can't you? |
| 13:35.58 | darkskiez | i cant stop a raid device, it says its busy, its not used as swap, its not mounted, lsof /dev/md1 reports nothing |
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| 13:36.24 | dutchfish | darkskiez: is it degraded atm? |
| 13:36.35 | darkskiez | dutch: yeh |
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| 13:37.01 | k1ng\ | jordanm: coz its new |
| 13:37.09 | dutchfish | darkskiez: if it is in rebuilding state that can atke a long time |
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| 13:37.16 | dutchfish | s/atke/take |
| 13:37.24 | darkskiez | its not rebuilding |
| 13:37.32 | darkskiez | U_ - one removed |
| 13:37.54 | jordanm | k1ng\: dig @<nameserver I don't nomally use> k1ngdom.net |
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| 13:38.13 | jelly | Caelum: neither, debian squeeze/sid use insserv |
| 13:39.01 | k1ng\ | jordanm: thanks :P |
| 13:39.03 | themill | !missing lsb tags |
| 13:39.03 | dpkg | From squeeze onwards, Debian is using a dependency-based boot sequence (see /usr/share/doc/sysv-rc/README.Debian). This requires that all init scripts have appropriate headers in them so that the correct order of execution can be determined. Scripts like S25libdevmapper1.02 are left over from Sarge and can be deleted; your own scripts will need LSB headers added: http://wiki.debian.org/LSBInitScripts |
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| 13:40.56 | Caelum | jelly: so once I have proper tags in all my init scripts, run dpkg-reconfigure initscripts and everything will work? |
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| 13:41.43 | jelly | Caelum: that seems to be the case |
| 13:42.15 | ColdStart | im installing Debian from CD#1 which i burned to CD-RW, and it said that cannot read some of the files during setup...i wonder if that could be cuz i burned it on RW |
| 13:42.22 | ColdStart | maybe needed to be burned on CD-R |
| 13:42.23 | ColdStart | ? |
| 13:43.22 | epsilon | just burn a compatible CD |
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| 13:44.04 | Caelum | jelly: awesome thank you :) |
| 13:44.04 | ColdStart | i did burn 650MB CD-RW |
| 13:44.36 | epsilon | I mean CD-R which the ROM can read |
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| 13:44.42 | abrotman | ColdStart: for which kind of computer? and which one did you download ? |
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| 13:44.56 | ColdStart | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.4/i386/iso-cd/debian-504-i386-CD-1.iso |
| 13:45.36 | ColdStart | simple laptop, i put burned CD-RW with the image downloaded from link below, and put it into laptop, it loaded, setup process began, but then it said that cannot read install files from CD |
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| 13:47.31 | jordanm | ColdStart: sounds like a bad burn/media/drive. |
| 13:49.23 | computix | ls |
| 13:49.48 | jelly | ColdStart: cd-rw media are notoriously unreliable |
| 13:49.57 | ColdStart | MD5 also fine checked... |
| 13:50.02 | ColdStart | of the downloaded ISO |
| 13:50.11 | ColdStart | well |
| 13:50.16 | ColdStart | i had some data there before |
| 13:50.19 | plus_M | Where do the debian install CDs store mirrorlists? I want to install from my universities mirror and it seems there is no straightforward way to use a custom mirror |
| 13:50.19 | ColdStart | and did quick erase |
| 13:50.35 | ColdStart | now i did full erase and will check again |
| 13:50.43 | ColdStart | if not then try burning on CD-R... will c |
| 13:50.47 | jordanm | plus_M: selected "expert mode" of the installer and you will be prompted to manually enter a mirror |
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| 13:51.33 | plus_M | jordanm: I don't recall seeing anything like that |
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| 13:52.00 | plus_M | Trying to use ANY mirror causes "Configuring apt" to hang at 37% and "Retrieving file 2 of3"... |
| 13:52.31 | jordanm | plus_M: expert mode is selected from the cd's boot screen |
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| 13:52.54 | plus_M | I used the hd-image thing to boot from grub |
| 13:52.57 | jordanm | plus_M: you can use alt+f2-5 to see additionaly debugging info (why its hanging) |
| 13:53.06 | jordanm | plus_M: what hd-image thing? |
| 13:53.09 | plus_M | gah |
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| 13:53.26 | plus_M | that's probably what my problem is. |
| 13:53.56 | plus_M | jordanm: http://mirror.cs.umn.edu/debian/dists/squeeze/main/installer-amd64/current/images/hd-media/ |
| 13:53.56 | huglyer | ! |
| 13:54.15 | plus_M | "Error writing to file - write (28: No space left on device) :( |
| 13:54.22 | jordanm | plus_M: I don't think the squeeze installer is currently working anywayds |
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| 13:55.56 | abrotman | which one? |
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| 13:56.57 | jordanm | abrotman: not sure, it was just mentioned on the users list yesterday |
| 13:57.10 | fsjal | Could i get just a little assistance in installing Debian via net install in VMWare ? |
| 13:57.52 | fsjal | Wanna know just something, i have read about it but couldn't find help. |
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| 13:58.13 | jordanm | !ask |
| 13:58.14 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 13:58.31 | pngwn | !vmware |
| 13:58.31 | fsjal | Ok thank you dpkg ! |
| 13:58.31 | dpkg | VMware isn't part of Debian, therefore it's not supported, ask me about <vmware support>. VMware is not in Debian because it is not Free software; even though you might be able to download it for no cost, the source code is not available for some parts and Debian is not allowed to distribute it, see <dfsg>. http://wiki.debian.org/VMware . See also <virtualization>. #vmware on irc.freenode.net. |
| 13:58.56 | fsjal | oh its a bot |
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| 14:00.01 | jordanm | fsjal: ask in the main channel |
| 14:00.10 | fsjal | Ok. |
| 14:00.11 | Juzzy | speaking of vmware, has anyone successfully rolled vmware tools into a package? |
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| 14:00.45 | keith4 | Juzzy: you can just 'alien' the RPM |
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| 14:01.22 | Caelum | what rescue cd do I want to set up software raid? would a recent knoppix work? |
| 14:01.39 | ethanol | !virtualization |
| 14:01.40 | dpkg | For resources concerning the use of Debian as a host for virtual computers, or as a guest within a virtual computer, see http://wiki.debian.org/SystemVirtualization . Also ask me about <hyper-v>, <kvm>, <linux-vserver>, <lxc>, <mol>, <openvz>, <pearpc>, <qemu>, <user mode linux>, <virtualbox>, <virtual pc>, <vmware>, <xen>, <xve>, <ksm>. |
| 14:01.56 | keith4 | Juzzy: or use the open-vm-tools, maybe, depending on what you need |
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| 14:02.23 | fsjal | Well, i am trying to make the move from Ubuntu to Debian, and i want to learn to install via network installation as i get to install the packages that i want and get the latest updates. I am trying to learn from doing test installs in VMWare but i can't find where to configure the network. I have to use an Alfa AWUS036H wireless card and my wireless connection is WEP secured. I want to know how to make the connection with my AP. I am pretty sure the wireles |
| 14:02.24 | fsjal | s card is detected by the Linux kernel. But i just couldn't find where to make the wireless connection during network install of Debian stable. |
| 14:03.10 | Caelum | fsjal: have you tried opening a console? alt-f2 etc. |
| 14:03.18 | Caelum | fsjal: then using iwconfig and such |
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| 14:03.33 | keith4 | fsjal: what does that have to do with VMware? |
| 14:03.57 | fsjal | Well, it doesn't have to do much with VMWare but i am using VMWare to make test installs. |
| 14:04.12 | fsjal | Well i will try now with alt + f2 and give these commands as i was told. |
| 14:04.13 | fsjal | ifconfig wlan0 up |
| 14:04.14 | fsjal | iwconfig wlan0 essid "linksys" key s:pass1 |
| 14:04.14 | fsjal | dhcpcd wlan0 |
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| 14:05.17 | Caelum | not entirely sure if the install media has the wireless-tools, just guessing |
| 14:05.37 | keith4 | fsjal: wait... are you trying to get a wireless card working in a VMware guest? |
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| 14:06.08 | fsjal | keith4: yes, whats wrong with it ? Its a good wireless card and i have got to work it before in VMWare with Backtrack 4. |
| 14:06.32 | fsjal | I disconnect it from the main OS ( Karmic Koala ) and get it to connect to the VMWare running OS. |
| 14:06.35 | jordanm | fsjal: it must be USB wireless... and must be given fully to the guest |
| 14:06.42 | fsjal | it is USB wireless. |
| 14:06.47 | keith4 | oh |
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| 14:07.23 | fsjal | its a RTL8187 chipset, i am pretty sure it is detected by the kernel. |
| 14:07.23 | jordanm | fsjal: I understand the need for this in BT... but why the need in debian? |
| 14:07.34 | jordanm | fsjal: not lenny's kernel |
| 14:07.43 | jordanm | !rtl8187 |
| 14:07.43 | dpkg | [rtl-wifi] the Realtek Linux 802.11b/g WLAN drivers, included in mainline Linux kernels. Supports the RTL8180, RTL8185 and RTL8187 chipsets; RTL8187B as of Linux 2.6.27. Drivers do not require firmware from userspace. See http://wiki.debian.org/rtl818x for more information. For support of RTL8187SE, ask me about <rtl8187se>. For support of 802.11n devices, ask me about <rtl8192e>, <rtl8192su>, <rtl8191se>, <rtl8192se>. |
| 14:07.48 | fsjal | but i get command uknown when i type iwconfig in debian stable net install |
| 14:07.49 | fsjal | :/ |
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| 14:08.16 | jordanm | fsjal: it doesn't have wireless-tools then. perhaps you should not make this more difficult on yourself and use bridged networking |
| 14:08.26 | Caelum | fsjal: I always use the testing netinst image daily builds |
| 14:08.31 | fsjal | Well yes i could do that. |
| 14:08.48 | jordanm | Caelum: don't enourage others to use testing please |
| 14:08.53 | Caelum | ok, sorry |
| 14:09.10 | fsjal | But i wanted to learn how to install without using bridged networking because later after i get familiar with Debian and installation process i want to switch from Ubuntu ( sigh, tired of it ) to Debian stable. |
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| 14:09.16 | Jupinul | ROMANIAN CHAT CHAT ONLINE http://www.cyberpunks.ro CHAT ONLINE http://www.cyberpunks.ro ENJOIT :p |
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| 14:09.34 | gartt | Cool, I want to be a cyberpunk too |
| 14:10.11 | Vroomfondle | especially a romanian one |
| 14:10.14 | Vroomfondle | I bet they're the coolest |
| 14:10.37 | ethanol | I don't speak roman. |
| 14:10.37 | ethanol | :< |
| 14:10.46 | fsjal | What would you guys suggest ? Do you think its not possible to do a network install in VMWare using a rtl8187 usb chipset and a WEP connection ? |
| 14:11.03 | ethanol | fsjal: I do not think it is possible to do a wireless netinstall |
| 14:11.19 | ethanol | fsjal: so why bother trying to simulate it? |
| 14:11.44 | fsjal | I read it was possible on the wiki..Just can't seem to get it working. Well, i must try harder. |
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| 14:12.07 | jelly | or use what works |
| 14:12.13 | ethanol | yes, because trying harder always made the impossible suddenly possible. |
| 14:12.27 | fsjal | I don't want to use the CD versions of Debian, they are made of ancient packages. |
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| 14:12.42 | fsjal | It's not impossible. |
| 14:12.45 | fsjal | Well, anyway. |
| 14:12.58 | ethanol | fsjal: running update and upgrade is so difficult, I feel your pain. |
| 14:13.21 | fsjal | I see. |
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| 14:17.38 | ethanol | fsjal: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch06s03.html.en#di-setup 6.3.5.1 to be specific |
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| 14:18.11 | fsjal | Yes, will read now. |
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| 14:18.51 | Wessly | how to port forward with ip tables... |
| 14:19.01 | ethanol | Wessly: #netfilter |
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| 14:19.13 | myselfhimself | hi |
| 14:19.23 | plus_M | ewhat is the difference between linux-image-2.6-amd64 and linux-image-2.6.32-trunk-amd64 |
| 14:19.37 | plus_M | Because I'm guessing none yet it's givin gme the option of choosing between the two |
| 14:20.05 | ethanol | one is a meta package |
| 14:20.09 | ethanol | methinks |
| 14:20.12 | plus_M | That's what I thought |
| 14:20.13 | plus_M | oh well |
| 14:20.19 | ethanol | I'd just go with that |
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| 14:25.17 | solifugus | If I need to install kde on debian lenny, is all I need to do just installing the kde meta package and re boot? |
| 14:25.53 | mirco | Hi all |
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| 14:26.13 | abrotman | solifugus: aptitude install kde kdm xorg |
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| 14:26.59 | solifugus | abrotman: thanks.. doing that now.. |
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| 14:27.21 | mirco | got a prob with php, think I'm missing the AppHandler entry, cause my php file aren't processed but downloaded... Pls Help |
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| 14:29.02 | solifugus | ok.. what was that application that can enable me to get packages through another server? |
| 14:29.12 | solifugus | because this server does not have direct access to the Internet... |
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| 14:29.50 | jordanm | solifugus: apt? |
| 14:30.04 | mirco | aptcacher was the app you're loking for! |
| 14:30.13 | solifugus | that's it!! yes.. |
| 14:30.22 | solifugus | I hope it's quick and easy to setup.. |
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| 14:34.47 | mirco | Yes it is, all you've to do is change your sources.list... |
| 14:35.11 | mirco | on the proxy "aptitude install apt-cacher" is all... |
| 14:35.25 | djura-san | im off. bais :) |
| 14:36.11 | mirco | someone a hint for my php prob? have allready purged the whole apache2/php5 setup and reinstalled... |
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| 14:36.47 | mirco | HAve also tried some conf-file entry's but none worked as expected... |
| 14:39.11 | Salvia | LOL |
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| 14:44.23 | solifugus | trying to use apt-cacher, I am getting a lot of errors... Here's how I setup sources.list... anything wrong here? http://pastebin.ca/1872020 |
| 14:45.18 | solifugus | ah.. maybe because I have http redirecting to https.. |
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| 14:45.27 | solifugus | and it won't redirect.. |
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| 14:46.46 | solifugus | changing all links in sources.list from http to https gives: E: The method driver /usr/lib/apt/methods/https could not be found. |
| 14:46.55 | solifugus | when I do apt-get update... |
| 14:47.03 | solifugus | so.. I am screwed, aren't I? |
| 14:47.16 | solifugus | Unless I can route through a different server.. |
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| 14:47.43 | Bushmills | just any proxy should do |
| 14:48.00 | solifugus | i have no proxy.. and don't know anything about how to set one up.. |
| 14:48.08 | Bushmills | have squid somewhere on a different machine, use that one to relay you requests through |
| 14:48.10 | solifugus | and need to have this all done within less than two hours |
| 14:48.20 | joshteam | $ sudo apt-get install php5-imagick == php5-imagick: Depends: libmagickcore2 but it is not installable |
| 14:48.30 | joshteam | :/ |
| 14:48.34 | simonrvn | solifugus: there's an https driver available |
| 14:48.47 | solifugus | simonrvn: for apt-get ? |
| 14:48.55 | simonrvn | libapt yes |
| 14:49.31 | jordanm | !tell joshteam about bat |
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| 14:50.21 | simonrvn | ,versions apt-transport-https |
| 14:50.22 | judd | apt-transport-https -- lenny: 0.7.20.2+lenny1; lenny-security: 0.7.20.2+lenny1; squeeze-security: 0.7.20.2+squeeze1; sid: 0.7.25.3; squeeze: 0.7.25.3; experimental: 0.7.26~exp4 |
| 14:50.23 | solifugus | simonrvn: apt-cache search libart shows apt and apt-utils... one of those? |
| 14:50.29 | solifugus | ok |
| 14:50.53 | joshteam | http://paste2.org/p/828687 |
| 14:51.02 | joshteam | jordanm: ^ |
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| 14:51.40 | solifugus | simonrvn: wait.. I can't see any such packages cause I can't get through apt-cacher... no wonder.. |
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| 14:52.03 | jordanm | !unstable |
| 14:52.03 | dpkg | [unstable] The status of a Debian release when packages can be added to the system at any time that might disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. Not supported here, in general. It's also newspeak for not stable. If you have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't. apt-get install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges (!) See also <testing>, <sid>, <sid faq>, <apt-listbugs>, <apt-listchanges>, <bts>. |
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| 14:52.32 | NoCode | !testing |
| 14:52.32 | dpkg | Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <squeeze>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting and ask me about <testing faq> <lenny->squeeze> <testing security> <moving target> <dda> <apt-listchanges> and <bts>. You should have a sound knowledge of Debian packaging to use testing and should be prepared for a bumpy ride at times. Don't use it on things that are critical or on servers. |
| 14:52.45 | dark | Is there a kernel with "module-support"? I have this error, yaird error: unknown kernel version: 2.6.32-trunk-686 (fatal), trying to use yaird from sid in squeeze. From this thread http://www.howtoforge.com/forums/showthread.php?p=54599 a similar issue was the lack of this "module-support" |
| 14:52.47 | simonrvn | solifugus: fetch it manually |
| 14:53.04 | joshteam | jordanm: am i trying to install something that is unstable? |
| 14:53.07 | jordanm | joshteam: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=573139 sid users should always check the BTS... |
| 14:53.11 | dark | (i mean if i can get a proper kernel in debian squeeze) |
| 14:53.25 | jordanm | joshteam: if you have done an aptitude upgrade with those sources, you are running unstable |
| 14:53.37 | simonrvn | pool/main/a/apt/apt-transport-https_0.7.25.3_$ARCH.deb (ARCH=any supported architecture) |
| 14:53.48 | Bushmills | but when you can install a package proxy on the gateway machine - or a machine with access to the net - why not let that machine masquerade your internet access? |
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| 14:54.31 | solifugus | simonrvn: working.. |
| 14:54.34 | solifugus | sweating.. |
| 14:54.44 | joshteam | thanks jordanm |
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| 14:56.49 | simonrvn | solifugus: so it's all good now? |
| 14:57.27 | solifugus | simonrvn: I did a very thing... |
| 14:57.33 | solifugus | a very bad thing |
| 14:57.42 | solifugus | I removed the redirect on a production box.. |
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| 14:57.50 | simonrvn | oh no |
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| 14:58.12 | Bushmills | you won't get blind from that |
| 14:58.13 | simonrvn | so i guess you're restoring it, right? ;) |
| 14:58.23 | simonrvn | Bushmills: hehe |
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| 14:58.37 | solifugus | It's not heavily used.. but I could get yelled at for this.. if it breaks anything anyone is doing at the moment. |
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| 15:10.47 | rox | what's the canonical way to mark a package, that has not been installed as installed? |
| 15:11.19 | rox | i.e. to fake a dependency |
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| 15:11.59 | rox | doesn't want to go dig in apt's library again |
| 15:12.33 | elenril | rox: equivs? |
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| 15:12.44 | rox | checks |
| 15:14.38 | solifugus | Is this correct to apply to anything after the URL: <VirtualHost redcap.ctsi.ufl.edu*:80> ?? Or maybe <VirtualHost redcap.ctsi.ufl.edu/*:80> ?? |
| 15:14.55 | solifugus | Or no asterisk at all? |
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| 15:16.28 | \amethyst | solifugus: no asterisk |
| 15:17.00 | rox | elenril: thank you very much, this did it for me |
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| 15:17.20 | \amethyst | solifugus: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/mod/core.html#virtualhost lists what the address can be |
| 15:17.58 | rox | elenril: i used to dig in /var/lib/apt/cache or someplace like that, which was nasty |
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| 15:19.46 | karlpinc_ | solifugus: /usr/share/doc/apache2/README.Debian.gz says see /usr/share/doc/apache2.2-common/NEWS.Debian.gz |
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| 15:22.50 | mirco | I've the prob that apache2 doesnt show index.php if present in a Dir, but have DirectoryIndex set to index.php... |
| 15:22.59 | mirco | Anyone a hint for me? |
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| 15:26.02 | Peacimowen | did you restart apache (so it would reload the config) after setting it? |
| 15:26.15 | solifugus | \amethyst: What if I want the virtual host tag to cover everything under http://redcap.ctsi.ufl.edu except for http://redcap.ufl.edu/apt-cacher ? |
| 15:26.53 | \amethyst | solifugus: that's not how virtual hosts work |
| 15:27.14 | \amethyst | solifugus: a virtual host is for a whole host |
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| 15:27.46 | solifugus | yes.. but I have a problem to solve.. I need to get packages through this box to one behind it.. in a closed network.. it uses http.. |
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| 15:27.57 | solifugus | but everything else needs to be redirected to the https site.. |
| 15:30.11 | \amethyst | solifugus: perhaps you want something like Alias /apt-cacher/ "/path/to/apt-cacher-files" |
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| 15:32.11 | \amethyst | solifugus: how are you doing the redirection? something like RedirectMatch permanent ^/(.*)$ https://redcap.ctsi.ufl.edu/$1 |
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| 15:35.11 | \amethyst | solifugus: if that's the case you can make a regexp that matches everything but /apt-cacher |
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| 15:35.41 | MichaelXX2 | whoa |
| 15:35.43 | MichaelXX2 | 999 users |
| 15:35.56 | \amethyst | solifugus: something like RedirectMatch permanent ^/(?!apt-cacher)(.*)$ https://redcap.ctsi.ufl.edu/$1 |
| 15:35.56 | MichaelXX2 | Either that or we maxed out |
| 15:35.58 | abrotman | wait for it ... |
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| 15:38.33 | MichaelXX2 | So debian is a Linux version? |
| 15:38.42 | MichaelXX2 | kernel? Something? |
| 15:38.55 | MichaelXX2 | Atari 5200 emulator? |
| 15:39.14 | abrotman | see debian.org |
| 15:39.26 | MichaelXX2 | Ah. |
| 15:39.30 | Vroomfondle | Debian is an organisation which produces family of operating systems, the most popular of which is based on Linux |
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| 15:39.38 | MichaelXX2 | Okay |
| 15:40.02 | MichaelXX2 | They wouldn't happen to have any for a Dingoo a320, right? |
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| 15:40.48 | abrotman | a what? |
| 15:40.56 | MichaelXX2 | -_- Never mind. |
| 15:41.05 | Vroomfondle | MichaelXX2: not that I know of |
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| 15:41.29 | MichaelXX2 | Vroomfondle: I wouldn't imagine so. |
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| 15:42.38 | abrotman | well, that device is MIPS, there is MIPS in debian |
| 15:42.58 | abrotman | you'd have to hvae a way to load software/boot stuff though |
| 15:43.03 | Vroomfondle | it's presumably technically feasible but google suggests that no-one's done it as yet |
| 15:43.03 | abrotman | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dingoo#Linux |
| 15:43.19 | MichaelXX2 | The interface of the native software is pretty mediocre, and I was trying to AVOID using Dingux |
| 15:43.26 | MichaelXX2 | :| |
| 15:44.00 | MichaelXX2 | Does anyone know of something I could overclock it with? |
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| 15:44.15 | abrotman | shouldn't you ask the people that made it? |
| 15:44.37 | nsadmin | overclocking... that would be a hardware question... and a risky proposition |
| 15:44.37 | MichaelXX2 | They're most likely swamped with orders and emails already\ |
| 15:44.45 | nkuttler | yeah, you need to find out what kind of install media that piece supports |
| 15:45.25 | nsadmin | which they are paid to handle |
| 15:45.25 | nkuttler | might have to flash some rom |
| 15:45.25 | MichaelXX2 | I could flash Dingux but it doesn't seem to respond to it |
| 15:45.40 | abrotman | MichaelXX2: so how is this related to Debian ? |
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| 15:45.55 | nkuttler | he could flash it with debian obviously |
| 15:46.16 | abrotman | is it that obvious? |
| 15:46.43 | MichaelXX2 | I don't know, abrotman. I need to do more research before I could flash this OS to my piece/ |
| 15:47.01 | abrotman | http://code.google.com/p/dingoo-linux/ |
| 15:47.03 | nkuttler | well, i've already flashed a nslu, so kinda |
| 15:47.08 | nsadmin | it's related to debian because he thinks maybe it could be possible the support people could maybe be overworked |
| 15:47.20 | abrotman | nsadmin: it's not running Debian |
| 15:47.34 | abrotman | and he doesn't seem to be installing Debian on it |
| 15:47.34 | MichaelXX2 | I'm not listening to hold music for four hours |
| 15:47.48 | abrotman | right .. so not Debian related at all. Try somewhere else |
| 15:47.53 | MichaelXX2 | Besides, Homestar probably works for Dingoo |
| 15:48.08 | nsadmin | MichaelXX2: so, what will you do... pay for a support contract? |
| 15:48.16 | abrotman | nsadmin: you could just drop it? |
| 15:48.22 | MichaelXX2 | No, probably not |
| 15:48.48 | MichaelXX2 | Debian seems interesting and I might could possibly get it on my system |
| 15:49.22 | nsadmin | if you have questions about that -specifically- they could be handled here. |
| 15:49.36 | liable | meh, volume keys dont work on new laptop |
| 15:49.51 | MichaelXX2 | *grits teeth* yeah, that's why I came here :| |
| 15:50.08 | liable | what model? |
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| 15:50.36 | MichaelXX2 | For what? |
| 15:50.53 | abrotman | there is a #mipslinux on freenode |
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| 15:52.44 | MichaelXX2 | Interesting, I could run some Debian applications in Dingux |
| 15:52.55 | MichaelXX2 | According to a forum |
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| 15:54.24 | nsadmin | most debian apps are sources obtained from outside... you could get sources from either upstream or from debian mirrors and compile it on whatever linux |
| 15:54.38 | MichaelXX2 | Fascinating |
| 15:54.52 | nsadmin | but that's outside the purview as well |
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| 16:06.14 | chrowe | can anyone tell me how to update lenny 5.0.1 to 5.0.4 |
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| 16:06.47 | gu3 | I'm trying to set up dual monitors. The monitors are on VGA and DVI onboard ports (Intel chipset). They are currently cloned. I can supply any additional info if needed. |
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| 16:07.04 | gu3 | Any help appreciated |
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| 16:08.13 | jordanm | chrowe: aptitude update; aptitude full-upgrade |
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| 16:09.04 | jordanm | !tell gu3 about dual monitors |
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| 16:12.27 | chrowe | jordanm: thanks, full-upgrade is what i needed |
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| 16:16.51 | gu3 | jordanm: Thanks for the help, when I run xrandr it only shows 1 monitor. Heres a pastebin of output: http://paste.debian.net/73275/ |
| 16:17.51 | fsjal | http://www.ubuntu.com/aboutus/faq in this page it says that the current LTS is 8.04. I wonder if Ubuntu web page admins ever update their code ! |
| 16:18.07 | fsjal | another reason debian contributers are better then failubuntu |
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| 16:22.02 | cahoot | fsjal: I think the main difference is the user base |
| 16:23.03 | fsjal | Debian users are more experienced with *nix i think. |
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| 16:24.00 | fsjal | Ubuntu has been screwing up with each newer release i think. |
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| 16:25.22 | Juzzy | heh |
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| 16:28.17 | salvin | fsjal: but ubuntu is less conservative then debian |
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| 16:28.35 | salvin | it has new good things like upstart |
| 16:28.44 | fsjal | I wouldn't say that. |
| 16:28.45 | jelly | fsjal: if you want to discuss ubuntu, #debian-offtopic is better suited for that |
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| 16:29.05 | salvin | imho the better approach is work together |
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| 16:30.20 | gu3 | Can anyone help me with xrandr? I have a two monitors plugged into VGA and DVI but all xrandr sees is screen0. |
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| 16:31.24 | jelly | gu3: which card, which driver does it use? Pastebin the output of xrandr, your /var/log/Xorg.0.log and /etc/X11/xorg.conf if it exists |
| 16:31.50 | jordanm | jelly: xrandr http://paste.debian.net/73275/ |
| 16:32.02 | jordanm | q |
| 16:32.06 | gu3 | jelly: Intel chipset, posting xorg now |
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| 16:33.10 | jelly | if it's a new enough chipset chances are xserver-xorg from lenny doesn't support it well |
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| 16:34.34 | jhutchins_lt | So how is iceweasel using 5% CPU on a BLANK PAGE? |
| 16:35.05 | jelly | jhutchins_lt: easily |
| 16:35.30 | jhutchins_lt | Probably checking RSS feeds I accidentally subscribed to. |
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| 16:45.08 | Juzzy | hrm this is interesting I am tasked to add awstats to a server and it's apache log is 104gigs :/ |
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| 16:45.31 | Juzzy | and only 77gigs free, gunna be fun chunking that out for any stats heh |
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| 16:52.33 | fyn | pkg-config --variable=sdkdir libxul isn't working for me on the 1.9.1 xulrunner in lenny-backports even though it's fine on 1.9.0 and 1.9.2 on some random lucid box. /usr/lib/pkgconfig/libxul.pc is there though and has everything i'd want so maybe the package just didn't call something to make pkg-config reload it? how do i do that? i can't find anything about this skimming the manpage and there's no script like update-pkg-config? |
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| 16:53.04 | gu3 | jelly: My connection dropped. Did you work out anything regarding xrandr? |
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| 16:56.12 | jelly | gu3: I asked for xorg log and conf but never got it |
| 16:56.14 | western | hello. i just installed debian lenny... how do i get the international clock? http://library.gnome.org/misc/release-notes/2.22/index.html.en#sect:gnome-panel |
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| 16:56.48 | fyn | anyone know how to tell pkg-config to reload its *.pc files? |
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| 16:57.13 | lucidblue | hey all, I'm trying to find a good howto about traffic shaping with asterisk, it's on the same machine as the firewall, anyone know any good links or anything? |
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| 16:57.50 | gu3 | jelly: Ok, I'll repost, just got to find them |
| 16:57.57 | lucidblue | I also have openvpn too, on a machine inside the network, not sure how that's going to play into it yet... |
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| 16:59.31 | gu3 | jelly: xorg log - http://paste.debian.net/73283/ xorg.conf - http://paste.debian.net/73281 |
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| 17:03.49 | cahoot | using vesa? |
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| 17:04.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | looks like |
| 17:05.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | autodetected |
| 17:05.12 | jelly | gu3: mh. and "lspci -nn"? |
| 17:05.34 | gu3 | jelly: Sorry, I don't understand? |
| 17:05.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | the log actually calls it autoconfigured |
| 17:05.51 | jelly | pastebin the output of command |
| 17:06.15 | jelly | or just paste the line for the video card, should be just one or two lines max |
| 17:06.37 | gu3 | jelly: ok, doing it now |
| 17:07.41 | gu3 | jelly: http://paste.debian.net/73289/ |
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| 17:09.04 | jordanm | pciid 8086:2e22 |
| 17:09.10 | jordanm | ,pciid 8086:2e22 |
| 17:09.11 | jelly | comma |
| 17:09.11 | judd | [8086:2e22] is '4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller' from 'Intel Corporation' with no known kernel module in lenny but has kernel module 'i915' in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:2e22 |
| 17:09.23 | jelly | ,xorg 8086:2e22 |
| 17:09.25 | judd | Device 8086:2e22 is not matched by any xorg drivers in lenny or sid. |
| 17:09.33 | jelly | lolwut |
| 17:09.40 | epsilon | :D |
| 17:09.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions gnome-desktop-environment |
| 17:09.47 | judd | gnome-desktop-environment -- etch: 1:2.14.3.6; lenny: 1:2.22.2~5; sid: 1:2.28+7; squeeze: 1:2.28+7 |
| 17:09.51 | jordanm | jelly: didn't know about that feature... actually functional? |
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| 17:09.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | western, isn't that the default? |
| 17:10.17 | jordanm | ,xorg 10de:01d3 |
| 17:10.17 | judd | In lenny, device 10de:01d3 is matched by xorg drivers: 'nvidia', 'nv'. |
| 17:10.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | from the screenshot, looks like you click on the small clock and that's what you get |
| 17:10.40 | western | CutMeOwnThroat: nope :( wanna see a screenshot of the clock on my system? |
| 17:10.42 | jelly | jordanm: not very, that's exactly what I have on this machine ;-) |
| 17:10.57 | jelly | 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation Eaglelake Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:2e22] (rev 03) |
| 17:11.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | western, I'd guess it's part of the gdesklets-data package, which lists 4 different clocks, but doesn't call any "international" |
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| 17:11.52 | jelly | gu3: if you don't mid much, it will work better with Debian squeeze (current testing, to become Debian 6 eventually) |
| 17:12.15 | jordanm | !squeeze pool 1 |
| 17:12.15 | dpkg | ! NiLon=2010-10-12 rvsjoen=2010-07-15 Titan8990=2010-12-15 icebrain=2010-06-01 tabashco=2010-11-22 <rmayorga>=2011-1-17 jelly=2010-09-29 dpalacio=2010-08-03 cydork=2010-07-10 CutMeOwnThroat=2010-06-15 enouf=2010-04-01 themill=2010-05-30 valdyn=2010-06-15 rohan=2010-12-06 abrotman=2010-10-02 gsimmons=2010-09-03 |
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| 17:12.56 | western | CutMeOwnThroat: strange, it should be a standard feature of gnome 2.22, it works in ubuntu 8.04 |
| 17:12.56 | jordanm | dpkg: squeeze pool 1 ~= s/Titan8990/jordanm/ |
| 17:12.56 | dpkg | jordanm: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 17:13.05 | jordanm | dpkg: squeeze pool 1 =~ s/Titan8990/jordanm/ |
| 17:13.05 | dpkg | OK, jordanm |
| 17:13.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | western, I would think this is the standard-set of applets that comes with gnome... but I'm not using gnome so I might well be wrong |
| 17:13.38 | gu3 | jelly: ok, I'll upgrade |
| 17:14.03 | jelly | gu3: /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze |
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| 17:16.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | western, did you check the bts if it's somehow misconfigured? |
| 17:16.58 | western | CutMeOwnThroat: bts? |
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| 17:17.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell western -about bts |
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| 17:18.53 | gu3 | Thanks all, I'm upgrading to squeeze now |
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| 17:21.18 | DustyDingo | hm |
| 17:21.34 | DustyDingo | can i launch nautilus without any "desktop" like thingy, attaching to the root window? |
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| 17:27.59 | simonrvn | man nautilus |
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| 17:31.06 | jhutchins_lt | Actually, I think you'd launch raw X with that as the only app. |
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| 17:37.52 | western | CutMeOwnThroat: i didn't find anything. |
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| 17:42.06 | siyb | i have just installed another 4 hdd and while doing so i unplugged a hdd from an existing mdadm raid (lvl5) the hdd is attached again but the raid still shows up as degraded, do i have to run a rebuild or is there a better way? |
| 17:42.39 | western | if anyone knows how to set up the international clock in lenny (like this http://www.flickr.com/photos/rubenerd/3851998800/ ) please let me know, thanks :) |
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| 17:45.45 | spersaud | !radeonhd |
| 17:45.46 | dpkg | [radeonhd] the AMD/ATI <FOSS> Xorg driver for the Radeon R5xx, R6xx and R7xx (since version 1.2.2) family of chipsets. Packaged for Debian as xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd; Squeeze users, ask me about <radeon firmware>. Does not support <KMS> (Debian bug #575226). http://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo http://x.org/wiki/radeonhd #radeonhd on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 17:47.54 | Smiley | Is tehre someway i can make a command in my ./.xinitrc wait? is it sleep <number of seconds> ? |
| 17:48.29 | bzed | Smiley: run it in a subshell in the background or something like that |
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| 17:48.42 | bzed | Smiley: what do you exactly want to do? |
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| 17:48.52 | Smiley | waits - might of done it. |
| 17:49.09 | Smiley | i have something start up ssh + irssi when x starts, |
| 17:49.11 | Smiley | and i wanted it to wait. |
| 17:49.13 | Smiley | seemed to work. |
| 17:49.17 | bzed | ah yeah |
| 17:49.21 | Smiley | (thats why a clone joined a moment ago) |
| 17:49.37 | Smiley | but im not sure where I need to sleep (after the ssh now i think about it)... |
| 17:49.38 | bzed | I use autossh for that |
| 17:49.42 | bzed | in a terminal window |
| 17:49.43 | Smiley | autossh? |
| 17:49.59 | bzed | needs to wait for the ssh-key to be entered, though |
| 17:50.08 | bzed | apt-cache show autossh |
| 17:50.23 | bzed | autossh hostwheremyirssiruns 'screen -dr' |
| 17:50.42 | Smiley | ah |
| 17:50.59 | Smiley | i do ssh <connection stuff> -ci irssi |
| 17:51.11 | Smiley | irssi is an alias (hense why its not always working, I dont think it loads fast enough. |
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| 17:53.37 | Smiley | nope |
| 17:53.37 | Smiley | :< |
| 17:53.42 | Smiley | its not reconnecting to the session always :< |
| 17:54.23 | Smiley | tries again |
| 17:54.32 | Smiley | something weird happens to screen and it stops allowing the reconnect, |
| 17:54.34 | Smiley | oh that time it worked |
| 17:54.35 | Smiley | :< |
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| 17:55.27 | Smiley | that seems to be working better than before at least |
| 17:55.30 | Smiley | will try for awhile |
| 17:55.49 | Smiley | Another question quickly - how hard to turn off the tap to click for touchpad? |
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| 17:56.22 | xuser | Smiley: not hard :) |
| 17:56.37 | Smiley | xuser: :D |
| 17:56.58 | Smiley | is it called a touchpad? |
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| 18:03.40 | Smiley | yey its fixed ^_^ |
| 18:03.44 | Smiley | and now even the scrollbar works ;D |
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| 18:18.14 | Roasted | If I'm on debian and need to launch something as root (lets use wireshark as an example) can I just run sudo wireshark as if I were on ubuntu? Or do I have to su, login, then wireshark? |
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| 18:19.50 | simonrvn | !sudo |
| 18:19.50 | dpkg | [sudo] (Substitute User DO) better than su, according to talon. Not enabled by default on Debian systems; configure /etc/sudoers first, ask me about <visudo>, <sudoers>. sudo can give limited super user privileges to specific users, or allow you to do silly things like run X apps with root perms, or good in scripts with "username ALL = NOPASSWD: /some/program". http://wiki.debian.org/sudo http://www.aplawrence.com/Basics/sudo.html |
| 18:20.32 | Roasted | So for me to use the sudo command I need to enable it. |
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| 18:20.43 | Roasted | How do I enable it? |
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| 18:22.22 | simonrvn | the factoid says how.... |
| 18:22.41 | Corin` | hi all - wondering if anyone could tell me if I can do "aptitude install mysql-server" without the blue dpkg screen asking me for the password (I want to do it from a bash file without any user input) |
| 18:22.52 | Roasted | it says I need to configure /etc/sudoers. |
| 18:22.59 | Roasted | okay, great. what am I doing to /etc/sudoers to enable sudo? |
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| 18:23.27 | simonrvn | /msg dpkg visudo |
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| 18:23.55 | simonrvn | that's what the <stuff in <>> is, pointers to other factoids |
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| 18:24.21 | Roasted | um |
| 18:24.33 | Roasted | so is this like a long drawn out process? or a quick answer? |
| 18:24.45 | Roasted | I figured it'd be a "oh yeah roasted just do this" but evidently it's seeming like it's not |
| 18:25.13 | simonrvn | it's easy. i'm just pointing you to the resources. |
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| 18:25.40 | Roasted | so I guess a direct answer is out of the question? |
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| 18:26.19 | simonrvn | when you open sudoers in visudo you'll see an entry for root. copy that, and change it to your user. mind you this isn't a great policy, but it'll get you going. |
| 18:26.37 | gps23 | i am not able to do unidirectional video chat in empathy. someone please help |
| 18:26.38 | simonrvn | then later on you can refine it if you want. |
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| 18:27.00 | Roasted | and this will enable me to be able to use "sudo wireshark" to launch wireshark as root? |
| 18:27.10 | Roasted | I basically wnat to enable ubuntu-like functionality to debian |
| 18:27.34 | Stereo | Roasted: you're better off giving your user permissions to read the network device |
| 18:27.45 | Stereo | and taking them away afterwards |
| 18:28.02 | Roasted | to read the... network device? |
| 18:28.27 | jordanm | Roasted: IIRC, the later versions of wireshark that do not include the (as root) menu entry, create a "wiresharkusers" group or similar |
| 18:28.46 | Roasted | jordanm, yeah I just read about that. |
| 18:28.51 | Stereo | but for stuff other than wireshark, yeah, sudo is fine ;0 |
| 18:28.53 | Stereo | :) even |
| 18:29.06 | Roasted | jordanm, not entirely sure how to set it up though. Sure, add a group, add me to it etc, but is that .... it? |
| 18:29.21 | Roasted | right. well, I wont lie, Im an ubuntu user, so I want to carry as similar functionality to debian as I can. |
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| 18:29.25 | jordanm | Roasted: the group should already exist. if it does not, adding it won't help you |
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| 18:29.30 | Roasted | so if I can get debian's root priv to behave like ubuntu, I'm set |
| 18:29.41 | Roasted | jordanm, let me check if it exists |
| 18:29.55 | Roasted | jordanm, nope. doesnt exist. |
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| 18:30.14 | jordanm | Roasted: I recommend just using gksu wireshark |
| 18:30.42 | jordanm | Roasted: if you are on lenny, a menu icon should have been created that does this for you |
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| 18:30.48 | simonrvn | easier that way, because ubuntu does other things with their sudo configuration.... |
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| 18:31.06 | Roasted | well I do use gksudo wireshark if Im in alt + F2 in ubuntu |
| 18:31.22 | Roasted | but if Im in terminal and I just need to sudo something quick, regardless of what it is, I'd like to use sudo instead of logging in as su |
| 18:31.28 | simonrvn | like have to input the password again if you're on another terminal. (wtf?) |
| 18:31.36 | jordanm | Roasted: su -c '<command>' |
| 18:31.49 | Roasted | jordanm, yes, I know that. That's what I want to avoid. |
| 18:32.00 | Roasted | I want to be able to sudo chmod -R blah blah. |
| 18:32.11 | Roasted | what does the -c do? |
| 18:32.16 | jordanm | Roasted: man su |
| 18:32.28 | Roasted | not on debian |
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| 18:32.39 | jordanm | Roasted: then why are you here? |
| 18:32.46 | Roasted | because I have a debian server at home |
| 18:32.51 | Roasted | hence, my questions about debian |
| 18:32.59 | Roasted | what does -c do? |
| 18:33.14 | abrotman | Roasted: http://manpages.debian.net/cgi-bin/man.cgi |
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| 18:33.31 | Roasted | Sorry, no data found for `su'. |
| 18:33.38 | Roasted | how about just a straight answer? |
| 18:33.40 | Roasted | what does -c do? |
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| 18:33.59 | abrotman | i wonder if the string is too short .. |
| 18:34.03 | simonrvn | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:34.14 | Roasted | is -c really necessary? |
| 18:34.14 | simonrvn | su --help . sheesh. |
| 18:34.26 | oznt | hi guys - i'm trying to mount shared folders with virtual box in a debian guest. What is the option (in /etc/fstab) which allows my user to access the files ? |
| 18:34.32 | abrotman | and the ubuntu su should have the same flag |
| 18:34.48 | simonrvn | silver platter syndrome |
| 18:34.51 | jordanm | abrotman: the website appears broken |
| 18:34.59 | abrotman | jordanm: it works for longer commands |
| 18:35.11 | jordanm | abrotman: I tried the apropos su with English selected as a language and none of the results were english |
| 18:35.19 | abrotman | jordanm: search for 'mail' .. works fine |
| 18:35.35 | yannf | while talking about gksu |
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| 18:35.48 | yannf | gksu -S -d users-admin gives me "You are not allowed to access the system configuration." |
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| 18:36.10 | yannf | even when I am root |
| 18:36.10 | jordanm | abrotman: but the descripts are not in english |
| 18:36.27 | abrotman | jordanm: eh? mine are |
| 18:36.41 | abrotman | jordanm: http://manpages.debian.net/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=mail&apropos=0&sektion=1&manpath=Debian+5.0+lenny&format=html&locale=en ? |
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| 18:37.41 | jordanm | abrotman: only the first 6 actually... looks like spanish |
| 18:37.49 | abrotman | looks english to me |
| 18:37.56 | abrotman | the whole thing |
| 18:38.07 | jordanm | abrotman: not the acutal manpages, the descriptions to manpage links |
| 18:38.15 | abrotman | huh? |
| 18:38.51 | abrotman | AFAICT, the whole page is in english |
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| 18:39.09 | jordanm | abrotman: http://imagebin.ca/view/cYQPFHti.html |
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| 18:39.59 | abrotman | jordanm: oh, weird .. (you could have said the apropros stuff) |
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| 18:40.21 | jordanm | abrotman: I did, but a while back |
| 18:40.29 | bluequijote | hello everyone... I could think that it is a regular question... and I look for it on google... and I do not fine nice information about it... server are so different in price and I am not sure now what I need to view for a nice one... sorry if this question is not here... price |
| 18:40.35 | abrotman | not when you said "they're not in english" :) |
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| 18:40.48 | abrotman | bluequijote: ##hardware |
| 18:41.23 | bluequijote | ok |
| 18:41.36 | abrotman | jordanm: clearly the problem is RH ? |
| 18:41.47 | jordanm | abrotman: clearly :) |
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| 18:43.19 | jordanm | abrotman: actually, the large ammounts of whitespace really is its fault |
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| 18:44.20 | jordanm | abrotman: iceweasel and chrome on my lenny host doesn't render the whitespace |
| 18:44.31 | abrotman | antgel! |
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| 18:49.47 | petern_ | yay, nvidia drivers in squeeze :D |
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| 18:52.22 | kaziem | anyone using FIREFOX instead of iceweasel on 64bit debian? |
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| 18:53.07 | simonrvn | !anyone use |
| 18:53.07 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
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| 18:53.13 | Corin` | wondering if anyone could tell me if I can do "aptitude install mysql-server" without the blue dpkg screen asking me for the password (I want to do it from a bash file without any user input) |
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| 18:57.08 | yannf | gksu -S -d users-admin gives me "You are not allowed to access the system configuration." |
| 18:57.08 | yannf | even when I am root |
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| 18:57.18 | Juzzy | Corin`: yep |
| 18:57.43 | Juzzy | there's an option to accept defaults, I'd have to go look it up |
| 18:57.56 | Juzzy | I use it in my puppet scripts :/ |
| 18:58.06 | Corin` | amazing |
| 18:58.07 | Corin` | thanks |
| 18:59.07 | arcsky | hello does anyone know if there are any dj programs for linux? |
| 18:59.11 | helo | i want to create a .img contianing a debian install for export to virtualbox vdk... if i use one full-size .img and cfdisk to create partitions, it is awkward to mount individual partitions inside it to debootstrap onto. if i use individual .img files per-partition, it is awkward to assemble them into a single .img for virtualbox... i must be overlooking something |
| 18:59.12 | Corin` | (alternatively would be just as good if the password could be passed in the aptitude command) |
| 19:00.35 | michalxo | !pulseaudio |
| 19:00.35 | dpkg | PulseAudio (formerly Polypaudio) is a cross-platform network sound server, intended as a drop-in replacement for <ESD>. Packaged for Debian since Etch, read /usr/share/doc/pulseaudio/README.Debian after installation for configuration recommendations. http://pulseaudio.org/wiki/FAQ http://pulseaudio.org/ #pulseaudio on irc.freenode.net. |
| 19:01.31 | michalxo | guys, how's the PA in debian? stable? no? |
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| 19:04.50 | helo | formerly polypaudio? wow... |
| 19:05.08 | petern_ | works fine in lenny |
| 19:05.18 | helo | michalxo: the stable release of debian doesn't generally include unstable software, so yes :) |
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| 19:05.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | yannf, what are you trying to do? |
| 19:06.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell arcsky -about search |
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| 19:07.06 | arcsky | !search dj |
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| 19:07.26 | yannf | CutMeOwnThroat, I can't edit nothing in System -> Administration |
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| 19:08.04 | Corin` | Juzzy, would you be able to look it up? |
| 19:08.06 | abrotman | antgel! |
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| 19:08.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | mm, I don't have "System -> Administration" ... but from the gksu line above I'd guess you just don't have sudo configured |
| 19:09.07 | MyWay | a question: mrtg is detecting an interface i added to /etc/network/interfaces and not eth0, somebody know the reason? |
| 19:09.25 | yannf | CutMeOwnThroat, what did go wrong? |
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| 19:10.16 | yannf | CutMeOwnThroat, well, same message when using su instead of sudo |
| 19:10.22 | helo | do i just need to install onto an extra hard drive first, and then dd it into a .img? would be nice to avoid that... |
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| 19:10.46 | yannf | i.e. gksu -w -d users-admin |
| 19:10.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | also, what is "admin-users" "-d" is for debug in gksu |
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| 19:11.40 | yannf | "admin-users" is Gnome's user management tool |
| 19:12.33 | yannf | same message with any other system tool |
| 19:12.36 | jordanm | yannf: sure its not system-config-users? |
| 19:12.52 | jordanm | ,file system-config-users |
| 19:12.55 | judd | No packages were found with that file. |
| 19:13.22 | yannf | bash: system-config-users: command not found |
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| 19:15.29 | yannf | gksu xterm asks for a password allright |
| 19:15.55 | yannf | so the problem is not with su/sudo but with Gnome config |
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| 19:17.47 | michalxo | helo petern_ thank you :-) |
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| 19:19.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh right, that's the command - I thought it expects a username there |
| 19:19.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | ,file admin-users |
| 19:19.49 | judd | No packages were found with that file. |
| 19:20.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | that feature doesn't seem to work too well |
| 19:20.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, perhaps it does... it only finds the exact name, other than apt-file (which is reasonable) |
| 19:21.03 | jordanm | CutMeOwnThroat: I checked apt-file. not in lenny |
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| 19:21.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | ,file users-admin |
| 19:21.49 | judd | users-admin in lenny/i386: gnome-system-tools: usr/bin/users-admin |
| 19:21.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | there |
| 19:21.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | he reversed the name half-way through :) |
| 19:22.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | yannf, call users-admin as root without the gksu stuff and see if that works |
| 19:23.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | MyWay, we don't understand what you're saying |
| 19:23.26 | yannf | no, not allowed |
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| 19:24.07 | keenken | wadup! |
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| 19:24.24 | greedo | is there a way to access screensaver hooks? |
| 19:24.36 | keenken | can anyone help me with configuring keyboard shortcuts |
| 19:24.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's what I thought - the gksu part works fine, the program itself does some checks |
| 19:24.48 | keenken | I need to figure out a command specific to moving a window to a certain workspace*** |
| 19:25.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | keenken, that is specific to your window manager |
| 19:25.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually not SO much |
| 19:25.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | keenken, man wmctrl |
| 19:25.40 | greedo | in gnome |
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| 19:25.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | I meant him, not you |
| 19:25.55 | keenken | cutmeownthroat, yes i have 20 workspaces... and only 12 workspaces are automatically configured in "keyboard shortcuts" |
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| 19:26.35 | keenken | cutmeownthroat, that man page isn't showing anything... i'm running ubuntu as well |
| 19:27.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | greedo, with xscreensaver you can choose a program that is executed for displaying the screensaver... one can exchange that to be a script.. |
| 19:27.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | keenken, wmctrl can do what you want |
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| 19:31.46 | MyWay | CutMeOwnThroat: i meant, when i do cfgmaker public@localhost > /etc/mrtg.cfg, mrtg generates a graph for an ip which is not eth0, but eth0:0, i'd need eth0 |
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| 19:33.57 | helo | tears up running the etch netinstaller |
| 19:34.05 | greedo | CutMeOwnThroat: What i really want to do is poll the keyboard and mice for no activity and I figure xscreensaver already checks this |
| 19:35.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | what I said above... you can just run a script where it would run the screensaver (and the script can also call the actual screesaver if needed) |
| 19:35.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | MyWay, --ifref=ip ? From man cfgmaker |
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| 19:38.05 | MyWay | CutMeOwnThroat: same, it says Description: eth0, but i'ts not eth0, it's eth0:0 |
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| 19:40.33 | helo | decides to found a Debian Monastary |
| 19:41.46 | helo | is it better to be a code monk than a code monkey? |
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| 19:43.46 | greedo | CutMeOwnThroat: so I currently have a script that logs off the user after x minutes triggered by the screensaver, but I want a way to warn them about 5 minutes prior to this happening |
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| 19:47.02 | _entr0py | Hello, I installed Lenny (base) and I am not trying to convert it to squeeze. I got repos & downloaded packages, but when it starts installing it gives me error that about 'udev', CONFIG_SYSFS_DEPRECATED disabled |
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| 19:47.29 | _entr0py | I _am_ trying to convert Lenny to squeeze, pardon earlier message |
| 19:47.31 | jordanm | !udev squeeze |
| 19:47.31 | dpkg | As of <udev> 150 in squeeze, Linux kernel 2.6.27 or newer is required (i.e. upgrade kernel and udev at the same time). If udev installation fails and you already have a squeeze kernel installed, then reboot into the new kernel and "aptitude -f install ; aptitude safe-upgrade" to continue. <squeeze kernel> <kernel abi>, or http://bugs.debian.org/571255 |
| 19:48.38 | _entr0py | jordanm: How do I upgrade to squeeze kernel? |
| 19:49.15 | _entr0py | dpkg: squeeze kernel |
| 19:49.16 | dpkg | rumour has it, squeeze kernel is likely to be 2.6.32 and will not have kernel mode setting enabled by default. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2009/10/msg00003.html and ask me about <KMS>. See also <squeeze udev>, <kernel abi>. |
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| 19:49.44 | jordanm | _entr0py: if you have to ask that, perhaps you should not be upgrading to testing |
| 19:50.22 | _entr0py | jordanm: how else will I learn? :) |
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| 19:51.05 | jordanm | _entr0py: from running stable? the version intended for the end-users |
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| 19:51.34 | jimcooncat | _entr0py: perhaps you should dual-boot or virtualize |
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| 19:53.35 | SQlvpapir | facepalms |
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| 19:53.48 | sepult | palms ? |
| 19:54.22 | sepult | i know a good way to get rid of facepalms |
| 19:54.26 | sepult | lol |
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| 19:55.54 | sthon | How do I remove a crontab for a user that does not exist? |
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| 19:56.51 | sepult | i wish i had 7000 ⬠|
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| 19:57.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's stupid... wish for 7 million euro if you're at wishing |
| 19:57.51 | kuber | sthon: rm /var/spool/cron/<username> |
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| 19:58.08 | sepult | no that's enough for a japanese toilet... |
| 19:58.15 | sepult | lol |
| 19:58.36 | sthon | kuber: you mean /var/spool/cron/crontab/<username> ? |
| 19:58.40 | sthon | I tried that |
| 19:58.44 | sthon | they come back =( |
| 19:59.01 | abrotman | sthon: rm ? |
| 19:59.08 | sthon | yeah... |
| 19:59.10 | sthon | they come back |
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| 19:59.20 | sthon | ah! |
| 19:59.21 | sthon | nm |
| 20:00.10 | sthon | my bad, I forgot they get rsync'ed from elsewhere... |
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| 20:00.55 | TomyLobo | hi, is there a program that allows me to easily (i.e. no TeX) combine 4 png files into a 4-page pdf file? |
| 20:01.14 | raphi_ | TomyLobo, openoffice? |
| 20:01.36 | TomyLobo | also no messing with the scaling please :) |
| 20:01.50 | sepult | try pdfjam |
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| 20:01.59 | TomyLobo | thanks |
| 20:02.35 | kuber | maybe stop cron then do it |
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| 20:02.40 | kuber | sthon: ah heh |
| 20:03.01 | Netherthoughts | Hey all |
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| 20:03.57 | sthon | kuber: that explains it, I was going crazy with reappearing crons =/ |
| 20:04.06 | kuber | heh |
| 20:04.12 | kuber | anyone know a good way to grep timestamped logfiles for arbitrary time ranges ? like all logs in the last hour ? |
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| 20:04.17 | kuber | that will deal with day changes, month changes, year changes, etc? |
| 20:04.42 | kuber | im likely just going to use perl but.. eh. |
| 20:05.02 | RichiH | when a system is configured to use kerberos, how do i tell it to change the password locally? |
| 20:05.05 | sthon | use date to get the current year, month, and hour? |
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| 20:05.09 | RichiH | i.e in shadow |
| 20:05.17 | kuber | sthon: and then ? |
| 20:05.22 | Netherthoughts | I would like to ask for some advice here, I've a VPS which I'm running now for several weeks. However I recently installed java and it installed in a strange folder. Now whenever I try to install something else it doesn't work / get's partionally installed / gives errors while compiling. What is the best thing to do... is it fixable or does it look fixable. Or would it be better to start all over again? |
| 20:05.30 | sthon | kuber: grep for it |
| 20:05.34 | jimcooncat | RichiH: usermod? |
| 20:06.07 | kuber | sthon: i don't think it's as simple as you think it is :) |
| 20:06.38 | sthon | kuber: I guess it depends on the timestamp method in your log files |
| 20:06.47 | sthon | for something like /var/log/messages it would be wasy |
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| 20:09.22 | goose | To "make" will all 4 cores of my processor, it's "make -j5", iirc? |
| 20:09.25 | Netherthoughts | kuber, sthon, any thoughts on my situation? |
| 20:09.49 | helo | so etch will no longer be in the repos at all when squeeze is released? |
| 20:10.15 | abrotman | there is an archive |
| 20:10.15 | sthon | kuber: for example date "+%b %d %H:" should match /var/log/messages |
| 20:10.25 | abrotman | and etch may be moved there before squeeze is released |
| 20:10.43 | kuber | sthon: not necessarily |
| 20:10.48 | kuber | sthon: not if it is 00:30 |
| 20:10.53 | jordanm | goose: yes |
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| 20:11.27 | jordanm | etch is actually getting a new point release |
| 20:11.36 | kuber | im thinking ill just strip the YYYY-MM-DD HH:MM:SS of all formating/spaces and compare it to date +%Y%M%d%H%M%S |
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| 20:11.45 | Netherthoughts | Anyone? |
| 20:12.10 | jordanm | Netherthoughts: what version of debian? which java? |
| 20:12.18 | sthon | Netherthoughts: sounds like you need to set your JAVA_HOME path? |
| 20:12.28 | jordanm | sthon: he shouldn't need to |
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| 20:12.59 | sthon | Netherthoughts: did you install it from debian repos? |
| 20:13.06 | kuber | as integers |
| 20:13.16 | Netherthoughts | sthon yes |
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| 20:17.50 | Mark_ | anyone know why debians pam.d/sshd has no provision for ensuring an ssh user has a valid shell |
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| 20:18.11 | Mark_ | its common to set to /bin/false but that doesnt really stop people from connecting using -N and doing X11 forwarding, etc etc |
| 20:18.34 | Mark_ | so its basically allowusers in every sshd_config >< |
| 20:18.53 | Mark_ | not that i dont do that anyway, but its just one of those 'wtf' things |
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| 20:19.27 | jordanm | Mark_: and what would prevent this? |
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| 20:19.43 | Mark_ | pam_shells.so |
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| 20:20.30 | jordanm | Mark_: what is considered a valid shell? |
| 20:20.36 | Mark_ | things listed in /etc/shells |
| 20:20.42 | sthon | Netherthoughts: What do you mean by when you try to install something else it doesn't work? Do you mean from apt-get? |
| 20:21.05 | sthon | Netherthoughts: if that's the case you could try apt-get -f install which will try to fix any broken packages |
| 20:21.14 | jordanm | still waiting for answers to questions he asked Netherthoughts |
| 20:21.19 | jordanm | !tell sthon about why aptitude |
| 20:21.48 | sthon | jordanm: why are you telling me? |
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| 20:21.58 | jordanm | sthon: because you recommended apt-get to a user |
| 20:22.01 | Netherthoughts | yes, it only installs a few packages and the rest get conflicts with other programs which are only partionally installed. I installed a few before I learned about aptitude which may have destroyed a few connections within the software. |
| 20:22.06 | Mark_ | anyway its funny that pam.d/vsftpd requires a valid shell but ssh doesnt |
| 20:22.23 | jordanm | !tell Netherthoughts about bat |
| 20:22.38 | Mark_ | so you might inadvertently have a user sitting there who can be used for a tunnel, x11 forwarding, port forwarding, etc |
| 20:22.41 | jordanm | Mark_: vsftpd doesn't even require a real user? |
| 20:23.12 | Mark_ | 'auth required pam_shells.so' is the last part of /etc/pam.d/vsftpd |
| 20:23.32 | Mark_ | obviously it doesnt apply for anon users, etc |
| 20:23.39 | cesurasean | how do i access "xfce4-power-manager-settings"? |
| 20:23.54 | jordanm | Mark_: this is something you would likely need to discuss with the pam maintainer |
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| 20:24.05 | Netherthoughts | jordanm, I suppose that I've to re-install. I can't even access my vps anymore........ damn |
| 20:24.23 | Mark_ | this article talks about thet security problem, but doesnt mention pam as a way to fix it |
| 20:24.46 | Mark_ | its funny someone even commented about gentoo in the comments, i guess he didnt realize it was due to pam_shells.so : http://www.semicomplete.com/articles/ssh-security/ |
| 20:25.09 | jordanm | Netherthoughts: they do not provide a remote serial console? |
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| 20:26.57 | Netham45 | Anyone know how I can forcibly remove a package in which the remove file is corrupted? |
| 20:27.21 | jordanm | Netham45: pastebin |
| 20:27.34 | Netham45 | What am I to pastebin? |
| 20:27.45 | Netherthoughts | jordanm, they don't unfortuantly. I only got SSH + an option to re-install and reset root pass plus stuff as bandwith and resourch montitoring. |
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| 20:27.49 | dondelelcaro | Netham45: the command you're running along with the entire output |
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| 20:28.52 | Netham45 | http://pastebin.com/gsrj67ER |
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| 20:30.06 | Netherthoughts | Well I go ahead then. Thanks for offering the help. |
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| 20:33.09 | Netham45 | jordanm, dondelelcaro http://pastebin.com/gsrj67ER |
| 20:33.22 | what_if | I cannot seem to get apt to output the "version 2" format from DPkg::Pre-Install-Pkgs. has anyone else had this problem or can help ? |
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| 20:36.04 | jordanm | Netham45: apt-cache policy gdm libc6 |
| 20:37.07 | jordanm | Netham45: sorry, add sudo to that as well |
| 20:37.15 | jordanm | ,versions sudo --arch powerpc |
| 20:37.16 | judd | sudo -- etch: 1.6.8p12-4; lenny: 1.6.9p17-2; lenny-security: 1.6.9p17-2+lenny1; sid: 1.7.2p6-1; squeeze: 1.7.2p6-1 |
| 20:37.47 | Netham45 | jordanm, http://pastebin.com/VMDX6KjU |
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| 20:39.04 | jordanm | Netham45: and you manually deleted /etc/init.d/sudo? |
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| 20:40.12 | Netham45 | jordanm, I moved it, just to test. |
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| 20:40.45 | jordanm | Netham45: to test removal of a package with a missing init script? |
| 20:40.55 | what_if | I cannot get apt to output the version 2 file format for DPkg::Pre-Install-Pkgs.. can anyone help? |
| 20:41.07 | Netham45 | jordanm, something was throwing an error on it. |
| 20:41.23 | Netham45 | If it helps, what started this was a power outage while installing gdm |
| 20:43.06 | jordanm | Netham45: well, I really don't have any suggestions other than fetching the source package and manually replacing the corrupt/missing files |
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| 20:43.16 | Netham45 | kk |
| 20:43.31 | jordanm | Netham45: or you could try to modify the prerm for the new sudo package... either way its ugly |
| 20:43.32 | Netham45 | does dpkg have an option to just extract and not run any scripts or anything? |
| 20:43.48 | jordanm | Netham45: -x |
| 20:44.47 | jordanm | well, dpkg-deb -x |
| 20:44.52 | Netham45 | kk |
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| 20:45.50 | Netham45 | jordanm, now it's giving, '/var/lib/dpkg/info/gdm.postinst: line 82: 3431 Segmentation fault scrollkeeper-update -q |
| 20:45.50 | Netham45 | ' |
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| 20:46.47 | seniorake | I would like to disallow access using iptables for port 80 for all/any hosts except one specific IP, how could one accomplish that? |
| 20:47.26 | jordanm | Netham45: it was giving that before. is scrollkeeper-update installed? files exist? .... do you have a recent system backup? |
| 20:48.04 | jordanm | seniorake: add a rule to accept for only that IP, then later in the chain, reject all |
| 20:48.20 | jordanm | seniorake: #netfilter |
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| 20:48.44 | seniorake | hm. thanks |
| 20:48.59 | Netham45 | jordanm, Xenon:/var/cache/apt/archives# scrollkeeper-update |
| 20:48.59 | Netham45 | Segmentation fault |
| 20:49.03 | Netham45 | know what package that's in? |
| 20:49.34 | jordanm | Netham45: "scrollkeeper" |
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| 20:49.55 | jordanm | Netham45: with this type of corruption, personally, I would be restoring from a backup |
| 20:50.05 | Netham45 | I don't have a backup. |
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| 20:50.47 | jordanm | !aptitude clone |
| 20:50.47 | dpkg | To clone a Debian machine using aptitude (or install your favourite packages) use aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M' > package_list; on the reference machine; xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < package_list; aptitude install; on the other machine. This preserves information about "automatically installed" packages that other methods do not. See also <reinstall>, <things to backup>. <debian clone> |
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| 20:59.08 | Netham45 | anyone know how I can get apt-get/aptitude to stop trying to remove 'unused' packages? |
| 20:59.29 | Netham45 | like sudo. =/ |
| 20:59.42 | cafaro | Hi, when I want boot debian squeeze (not single-user!), X doesn't want to start...., it gives me a text-based login prompt instead, so I login, and do '/etc/init.d/gdm start', but nothing happens! any ideas, anyone? |
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| 21:04.01 | Bushmills | cafaro: check log for EE errors |
| 21:04.12 | pngwn | !tell alema0ff -about away |
| 21:04.29 | bikcmp | Hmm... I got myself in a pickle atm. I'm using a vps, and I can't get access through normal SSH to it |
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| 21:04.44 | bikcmp | since it's a vps host, I can get access to the server and then it will enter the vps. |
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| 21:05.14 | bikcmp | I thought iptables was locking all traffic in/out, so I did apt-get remove iptables. I need to install iptables now, and I can't sftp it, or use filezilla. |
| 21:05.43 | cafaro | Bushmills: thanks, I got: (EE) RADEON(0): Acceleration initializtion failed |
| 21:06.02 | karsten | What are the cool kids using for email sorting these days? Procmail ... ? |
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| 21:07.11 | nord | How do I enable php support in Apache2 for Debian Lenny? |
| 21:07.31 | jimcooncat | karsten: outsourcing |
| 21:07.38 | nord | The php5 module is active in Apache |
| 21:07.53 | nord | But the httpd lets me download the php files |
| 21:08.03 | nord | i never get it executed |
| 21:08.09 | nord | Is it a bug in Debian? |
| 21:08.26 | bzrk | nord: change the config from html to php default |
| 21:08.38 | Netham45 | sounds like you're not mapping .php to the module |
| 21:08.39 | Bushmills | more likely some neglectancy when setting up the web servfer |
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| 21:09.30 | nord | bzrk: which config file? |
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| 21:09.51 | bzrk | the one where you configured your vhosts |
| 21:11.12 | nord | bzrk: hosts-enabled? |
| 21:11.16 | nord | bzrk: its a clean install |
| 21:11.32 | nord | bzrk: I have no line with anything like html in that file. |
| 21:11.43 | nord | bzrk: what should i enter? |
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| 21:21.47 | karsten | jimcooncat: ?? |
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| 21:28.45 | karsten | Why does "aptitude search 'mail delivery agent'" not return "maildrop" which has that exact phrase in its desscription line? |
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| 21:31.16 | \amethyst | karsten: I believe the default search since lenny has been package name, rather than description |
| 21:31.43 | karsten | \amethyst: Any way to change that? |
| 21:31.48 | \amethyst | karsten: you need aptitude search '~d"mail delivery agent"' (exact string) or aptitude search '~dmail~ddelivery~dagent' (all three words, any order) |
| 21:32.44 | raphi_ | karsten, apt-cache search "mail delivery agent" works too. |
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| 21:32.59 | karsten | \amethyst: That does it. |
| 21:33.17 | \amethyst | karsten: not that I'm aware, though you could of course define a shell function |
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| 21:33.33 | karsten | raphi_: ... and faster. My understanding was that aptitude search was taking over for apt-cache search. |
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| 21:34.40 | karsten | There was an MDA with Perl-like syntax, I'm forgetting the name. |
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| 21:35.25 | karsten | http://varlogrant.blogspot.com/2010/02/imapfilterpl-mail-filtering-via-imap.html http://www.perl.com/pub/a/2001/07/17/mailfiltering.html http://search.cpan.org/~rjbs/Email-Filter-1.032/lib/Email/Filter.pm |
| 21:36.04 | karsten | Email::Filter, Mail::Audit, and related. |
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| 21:51.56 | telmich | good evening |
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| 21:52.27 | telmich | is there a release date for squeeze? more and more new systems cannot be installed with lenny anymore |
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| 21:54.48 | epsilon | if you want linux with edge software, try testing/unstable or differnt distro than debian |
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| 21:55.57 | Mark_ | yea you could run squeeze |
| 21:56.00 | Mark_ | its not half bad |
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| 21:58.12 | Bop | yeah , "u should try testing / unstable" ... then we arrive here for help the answer is -> we dont support sid , install lenny |
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| 21:58.36 | Bop | or ," u should know to to get along with sid , by now" |
| 21:59.00 | jordanm | Bop: we do our best to discourage people from recommending testing/unstable to the users |
| 21:59.23 | jordanm | Bop: its not like everyone who voluntees support can be monitored to ensure they are not giving bad advice |
| 21:59.55 | jordanm | and it some rare cases (hardware support), lenny is not even an options |
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| 22:08.37 | cafaro | When I start debian, X doesn't start (xorg.conf isn't updated either), I just get a login prompt, any ideas? |
| 22:09.00 | Bushmills | cafaro: check log for EE errors |
| 22:09.32 | cafaro | Bushmills: sorry I meant, xorg.log isn't updated |
| 22:09.46 | cafaro | so I can't see what's going on |
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| 22:10.27 | Bushmills | login prompt is good. log in. |
| 22:11.06 | cafaro | Bushmills: I did, and /etc/init.d/gdm doesn't do anything :( |
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| 22:11.21 | cafaro | So does X/startx |
| 22:12.17 | Bushmills | neither of those, the wy you wrote them, should do anything, except show maybe correct usage |
| 22:12.20 | Bushmills | way |
| 22:13.10 | cafaro | Bushmills: I meant "/etc/init.d/gdm start" |
| 22:14.24 | Bushmills | stop gdm, then run startx, and look again whether it doesn't do "anything" |
| 22:14.27 | michalxo | !ubuntu |
| 22:14.28 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 22:15.03 | michalxo | hehe ubuntu-crap |
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| 22:15.24 | cafaro | Bushmills: exec: 3: /usr/bin/X: not found |
| 22:15.45 | Bushmills | you know that your system won't be able to execute what hasn't been installed? |
| 22:15.56 | cafaro | yes I know.. |
| 22:16.24 | Bushmills | how come that you have gdm, but not X? |
| 22:16.32 | jordanm | ,depends gdm |
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| 22:16.34 | judd | gdm -- depends: libart-2.0-2 (>= 2.3.18), libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.20.0), libattr1 (>= 2.4.41-1), libc6 (>= 2.7-1), libcairo2 (>= 1.2.4), libdbus-1-3 (>= 1.0.2), libdbus-glib-1-2 (>= 0.71), libdmx1, libfontconfig1 (>= 2.4.0), libfreetype6 (>= 2.3.5), libglade2-0 (>= 1:2.6.1), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.16.0), libgnomecanvas2-0 (>= 2.11.1), libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.12.0), libpam0g (>= 0.99.7.1), libpango1.0-0 (>= 1.20.3), librsvg2-2 (>= (1 more message) |
| 22:16.57 | Bushmills | Recommends: xserver-xorg |
| 22:17.01 | cafaro | I think I did something wrong, when upgrading to squueze |
| 22:17.04 | cafaro | squeeze* |
| 22:17.08 | cafaro | ok will try that one |
| 22:17.17 | jordanm | !testing |
| 22:17.17 | dpkg | Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <squeeze>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting and ask me about <testing faq> <lenny->squeeze> <testing security> <moving target> <dda> <apt-listchanges> and <bts>. You should have a sound knowledge of Debian packaging to use testing and should be prepared for a bumpy ride at times. Don't use it on things that are critical or on servers. |
| 22:17.57 | cafaro | jordanm: I know, but with lenny's X/kernel version it's impossible to get my ati driver working |
| 22:18.40 | jordanm | good luck... |
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| 22:22.29 | Corin` | wondering if anyone could tell me if I can do "aptitude install mysql-server" without the blue dpkg screen asking me for the password (I want to do it from a bash file without any user input) |
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| 22:23.58 | raphi_ | Corin`, if you're running the command you've mentioned as root, you won't be asked for the pw.. |
| 22:24.34 | Corin` | raphi_, it asks for the new mysql root password |
| 22:26.20 | themill | Corin`: there should be a debconf question that you can use to provide this in advance. See debconf-{get,set}-selections. |
| 22:27.14 | Corin` | themill, sorry that doesnt mean anything to me |
| 22:27.43 | themill | !debconf |
| 22:27.43 | dpkg | [debconf] Debian's configuration management system for packages, giving a single interface for asking and storing configuration-related settings for packages. http://wiki.debian.org/debconf http://www.fifi.org/doc/debconf-doc/tutorial.html . Not to be confused with the yearly Debian Conference (DebConf): http://wiki.debian.org/DebConf https://www.debconf.org/ |
| 22:28.12 | raphi_ | Corin`, dpkg-preconfigure |
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| 22:31.07 | dupondje | I wish lenny had a stable kernel for xen :( |
| 22:32.22 | jordanm | dupondje: it does |
| 22:32.41 | dupondje | jordanm: but it has clocksource issues :( |
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| 22:35.11 | dutchfish | dupondje: are you use the 2.6.18? and you can tweak the wallclock form the host to the vm's |
| 22:35.42 | dutchfish | dupondje: i have no problems with it |
| 22:36.46 | dupondje | .26 |
| 22:36.52 | dupondje | thats lenny kernel ... |
| 22:37.04 | dutchfish | dupondje: you bette rnot use that one as a host |
| 22:37.17 | dutchfish | dupondje: lenny has also 2.6.18 |
| 22:37.26 | dutchfish | dupondje: for xen |
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| 22:38.37 | dupondje | dutchfish: can't see that one ... |
| 22:38.46 | dupondje | .18 seems to be etch |
| 22:38.58 | dutchfish | dupondje: http://wiki.xensource.com/xenwiki/XenDom0Kernels |
| 22:39.49 | jordanm | ,kernels |
| 22:39.50 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.33-2-686 (2.6.33-1~experimental.5); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-12); squeeze: 2.6.32-3-686 (2.6.32-9); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.4-686 (2.6.32-11~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-21lenny4); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
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| 22:41.00 | Corin` | themill: using "dpkg-reconfigure debconf" i can change debconf interface from "dialog" to "readline", which means I can then use expect in my script |
| 22:41.14 | Corin` | however dpkg-reconfigure debconf uses the dialog to change that setting in the first place.. |
| 22:41.34 | dupondje | dutchfish: that also says lenny is 2.6.26 ... |
| 22:42.02 | dutchfish | dupondje: i could be mistaken, give a sec to look it up |
| 22:43.30 | dupondje | Xen seems to be really an issue |
| 22:43.41 | dupondje | its not even in testing :( |
| 22:43.55 | dutchfish | dupondje: no, i am happely running linux-image-2.6.18-6-xen-686 on lenny |
| 22:43.58 | themill | Corin`: that's not really what I meant. You can provide debconf with the answers to questions before it asks them with debconf-set-selections, and then you run "DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive aptitude -y install mysql-server" to do the installation without asking questions. |
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| 22:44.38 | themill | Corin`: expect is not needed and would be horrible to use in this, especially since you can preseed the answers you want quite simply using debconf-set-selections. |
| 22:45.01 | dupondje | dutchfish: thats an etch kernel ... |
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| 22:46.02 | Corin` | themill, ok, in that case im having issues giving it those answers |
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| 22:49.50 | dutchfish | dupondje: it probably was there when lenny initially was released, i cant find it in packages.debian.org anymore, mmm... strange |
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| 22:51.21 | unixp | Do u think the mainboard is broken if no ps 2 and no usb tastatur will be detected? |
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| 22:52.09 | kuber | very very possibly |
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| 22:55.05 | dutchfish | dupondje: at least ii linux-image-2.6.18-6-xen-686 | 2.6.18.dfsg.1-24 | Linux 2.6.18 image on i686 is the one i use |
| 22:55.54 | dupondje | thats a quite prehistoric kernel that I doubt works for me hardware even :( |
| 22:57.35 | dutchfish | dupondje: its the latest xen apart from the RH hackery for 2.6.26 (a backport for xen), there is no newer yet, but maybe in 2.6.35 who knows |
| 22:57.55 | dutchfish | dupondje: read the first lnk i gave you |
| 22:58.21 | dutchfish | dupondje: ofr the dom-U's thats another cup of tea |
| 22:58.40 | dutchfish | dupondje: happely running 2.6.34-rc7 as dom-U |
| 22:59.14 | dutchfish | dupondje: and yes 2.6.26-xen has a miriade of issues |
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| 23:00.48 | dupondje | -32 in unstable seems to work a bit :s but not very good :( |
| 23:01.12 | dutchfish | dupondje: the new hv in latest xen is not ready yet, yep |
| 23:01.55 | dutchfish | dupondje: if you are intrested you might follow its mercurial source |
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| 23:04.57 | dupondje | dutchfish: if its for 'playing' or development ofc I can use git sources etc :) but want to in a production env .. |
| 23:05.47 | dutchfish | dupondje: the stick to 2.6.18 or go non-free xen 5.5.2 also follow http://xenbits.xensource.com/xen-4.0-testing.hg?shortlog/21148 |
| 23:06.06 | dutchfish | s/the/then |
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| 23:06.33 | dutchfish | dupondje: or roll your own ;) |
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| 23:08.14 | dutchfish | dupondje: i admit, its not what we want |
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| 23:20.25 | dupondje | now I installed unstable xen kernel + hypervisor, but damn, system is giving boot issues now |
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| 23:22.41 | jhutchins_lt | dupondje: Was there a part of "unstable" that you didn't understand? |
| 23:23.26 | dupondje | :p |
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| 23:25.18 | chessboxing | any idea why the files created have permissions: rw-r--r-- ? |
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| 23:26.15 | Skeeter- | i need some help with ssh tunnels |
| 23:26.48 | jhutchins_lt | chessboxing: http://tldp.org/LDP/http://tldp.org/LDP/sag/html/index.html/html/index.html file/directory mask. |
| 23:26.52 | Skeeter- | ssh -p 22 foobar@headcluster.local -f -N -R 2222:$(hostname):22 |
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| 23:27.30 | Skeeter- | on my main server, i can see the list of tunnels i made, How can i see the $(hostname) available |
| 23:27.46 | chessboxing | jhutchins_lt: look into that ta |
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| 23:28.38 | jhutchins_lt | chessboxing: Might be under user mask. |
| 23:29.02 | Skeeter- | anyone? |
| 23:30.34 | aej | hello |
| 23:30.58 | aej | anyone availabe to help |
| 23:30.59 | aej | ? |
| 23:31.20 | aej | about debian boot |
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| 23:31.44 | jordanm | Skeeter-: the hostname... of what? your own box? |
| 23:32.54 | jordanm | Skeeter-: also, no command substitution needed, "$HOSTNAME" is an environment variable |
| 23:32.57 | Skeeter- | jordanm, the command is the the one i run to make tunnels to my main server, i need to right down witch hostname = what, i would like to know if there is anyway to see which hostname belongs to wat pif |
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| 23:33.42 | jordanm | Skeeter-: if they have valid PTR records |
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| 23:33.58 | Skeeter- | jordanm, i dont understand what you mean |
| 23:34.05 | jordanm | Skeeter-: you if you have a hosts file or something with the needed information |
| 23:34.15 | jordanm | Skeeter-: PTR is a type of dns record |
| 23:34.21 | Skeeter- | kk |
| 23:34.24 | jordanm | Skeeter-: what are you really trying to do? |
| 23:34.50 | Skeeter- | i have that the desiase that keep from going tow ork |
| 23:35.03 | Skeeter- | i ssh tunnel all my labs computer |
| 23:35.25 | Skeeter- | its not a desiase, i dont know how its called in english |
| 23:35.39 | Skeeter- | overcoming of a car accident? |
| 23:35.57 | jordanm | injured |
| 23:36.02 | Skeeter- | yes |
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| 23:36.05 | Skeeter- | injuries |
| 23:36.09 | Skeeter- | ok |
| 23:36.30 | Skeeter- | well i got that list of 6-7 tunnels, all same user same process, only the pid isnt the same |
| 23:36.48 | Skeeter- | isnt there a ssh command to see forwarded ports or tunnels |
| 23:36.53 | Skeeter- | ssh ~# or sth |
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| 23:37.40 | Skeeter- | how do you enter in ssh mode again?? |
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| 23:39.44 | Skeeter- | or ssh console, watever name it has |
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| 23:40.25 | lindi- | Skeeter-: man ssh and look for ESCAPE CHARACTERS |
| 23:40.35 | Skeeter- | just did |
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| 23:40.52 | Skeeter- | still doesnt show me how to get into ssh console thingy to issue the ~# command |
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| 23:41.45 | tome | you just enter them on a blank line |
| 23:41.47 | tome | i beliebe |
| 23:41.50 | tome | believe |
| 23:42.20 | lindi- | RET ~ C |
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| 23:42.41 | void9 | greetings collective penguins. i seek simple debian-installer entries for pages i am seeing onscreen. i want no swap and i do not want to be prompted about it. what is a simple way to find the name of the entry i need? |
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| 23:43.42 | intx | is there a way to have a ssh client automatically reconnect when disconnected? |
| 23:44.02 | lindi- | intx: while true; do ssh somehost; done |
| 23:44.22 | intx | thanks :) |
| 23:44.35 | themill | or just use autossh |
| 23:44.54 | themill | ,info autossh |
| 23:44.56 | judd | autossh (net, optional): Automatically restart SSH sessions and tunnels. Version: 1.4b-1; Size: 26.5k; Installed: 64k; Homepage: http://www.harding.motd.ca/autossh/ |
| 23:45.02 | intx | thanks lindi-, themill :) |
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| 23:45.51 | intx | one more question, for a ssh tunnel, on a host that has multiple IPs, is it possible to choose which host it exists from? |
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| 23:46.45 | lindi- | intx: ssh -b |
| 23:46.54 | lindi- | intx: (that's just a guess!) |
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| 23:46.56 | King | /!\ King e qua TRa Voi /!\ |
| 23:47.43 | intx | lindi-: thanks again! :) |
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| 23:50.10 | void9 | erg typo/click |
| 23:50.33 | void9 | does anyone know where to find all the debian-installer questions? |
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| 23:52.25 | jordanm | void9: it looks like the debian-installer and libdebian-installer4-dev package come with a bit of documentation |
| 23:52.57 | void9 | jordanm: looking into it |
| 23:54.58 | magyar | hi, i'm trying apt-spy -d testing -s us and i get "Couldn't find country US . Skipping" |
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| 23:56.35 | aiux | ! preseed |
| 23:56.35 | dpkg | [preseed] Preseeding provides a way to set answers to questions asked during the Debian installation process, to allow for a streamlined or completely automated installation. The <install guide> provides an extensive appendix on preseeding with a full example. See also http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed and http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/394 |
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