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| 00:05.22 | foobar123 | hello, i am having troubles with fgfs, it is running very slow, like 1FPS |
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| 00:07.36 | foobar123 | any idea? |
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| 00:10.15 | aiux | foobar123, running debian ? |
| 00:10.25 | foobar123 | aiux: yes, SID |
| 00:10.35 | aiux | !sid |
| 00:10.35 | dpkg | sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. Sid is the destructive kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in; sid is not supported in #debian because sid users should be able to solve their own problems. Sid will never be released. See also <sid faq> <unstable>. |
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| 00:11.07 | foobar123 | lol |
| 00:11.36 | foobar123 | aiux: you are really helpful |
| 00:11.49 | aiux | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:13.55 | Chymera | hi, I really need a minimal octave code for plotting a histogram with 2 columns (each with an error bar) from 2 .dat files does anyone know where I can get it from? |
| 00:14.27 | aiux | Chymera, as gentoo user , ask better in your distribution channel |
| 00:14.57 | Chymera | aiux: I did, also, it is distro-irrelevant |
| 00:15.13 | Chymera | so if at all you shoud have said smth about the octave channel |
| 00:16.22 | foobar123 | aiux: well, as i see it is better to use ubuntu as its packages are updated |
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| 00:20.41 | aiux | Chymera, /j #R |
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| 01:17.24 | tpocra | I have GRUB legacy installed onto two hard drives' MBRs... they are in RAID-1 and mirror each other and contain my root FS. Should GRUB have root (md0) or root (hd0,0) or something like that? |
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| 01:18.36 | Bop | anyone knows where to add code for xorgless Xorg ? use builted in configuration , and add some sections to overwrite builted in configurator |
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| 01:26.18 | boboysdadda | can someone please help me getting my 360 controller working for emulators |
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| 01:36.24 | nsadmin | what's a 360 controller? |
| 01:38.11 | krisfremen | xbox 360? |
| 01:38.19 | boboysdadda | yes |
| 01:38.31 | boboysdadda | sorry should have been more specific |
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| 01:40.27 | k1ng\ | lol |
| 01:40.59 | k1ng\ | i think he wants to use 360 controller on debian |
| 01:41.20 | nsadmin | it would seem to me you'd need a driver for it, to turn its lingo into maybe something like a mouse |
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| 01:43.21 | icebrain | boboysdadda: maybe http://pingus.seul.org/~grumbel/xboxdrv/ ? |
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| 01:45.30 | boboysdadda | ty icebrain |
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| 01:52.28 | boboysdadda | now if i just knew how to put it all together from source |
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| 01:54.03 | click170 | Hey, Ive got my machine configured so that root cannot log in via SSH, but now I find the need to be able to login from only one remote host, does anyone know how to do this? I'm using keys, not passwords for ssh authentication. |
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| 01:56.07 | tictac | use access-group on the vty interface. |
| 01:56.18 | tictac | referencing an acl with the ip you want to allow |
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| 01:56.50 | rm200910 | hi. i want to package a few files in a deb package. The files are not architecture dependent. what should the "Architecture" description be in the control file? Thanks |
| 01:57.06 | tictac | whoops. i thought i was in #cisco |
| 01:57.27 | click170 | tictac: lol I was wondering why that wasn't parsing properly |
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| 02:08.55 | boboysdadda | http://pastebin.com/cXeHA0qL can someone tell my why its still not working right? |
| 02:09.50 | lk | boboysdadda, does plugging the device in generate anything in dmesg? |
| 02:11.10 | boboysdadda | lk i ran it but i don't know how to make sense of it let me pastebin it one sec please |
| 02:11.29 | lk | Unplug the device first. |
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| 02:11.47 | boboysdadda | ok its unplugged |
| 02:12.35 | lk | And then plug it in again and do dmesg | tail -30 and pastebin that please. |
| 02:13.42 | boboysdadda | http://pastebin.com/MFQhDp2N |
| 02:14.12 | lk | Also, what do you get from lsmod | grep uinput and lsmod | grep joydev? |
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| 02:14.59 | lk | dmesg looks good. The device was seen by the system. |
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| 02:16.28 | boboysdadda | ok lk i'm a still pretty noobish can you post exact commands u want me to input then pastebin |
| 02:17.07 | lk | Sure, no worries. What do "lsmod | grep uinput" and "lsmod | grep joydev" get you? |
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| 02:18.03 | boboysdadda | lsmod | grep uinput 4668 1 |
| 02:18.35 | lk | Okay. Try "xboxdrv --wid 0" now. |
| 02:19.01 | boboysdadda | no controller found |
| 02:19.26 | boboysdadda | joydev 6724 0 |
| 02:19.37 | lk | Oh yeah. Which controller is it? Wireless or wired? |
| 02:19.53 | boboysdadda | wireless with the cable plugged in |
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| 02:20.02 | boboysdadda | i've used it before when i ran winblows |
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| 02:21.27 | lk | boboysdadda, can you try "xboxdrv --id 0"? |
| 02:21.55 | boboysdadda | no controller found |
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| 02:22.19 | lk | boboysdadda, okay, in that case, something is missing. Time to backtrack. |
| 02:22.53 | lk | Try "lsmod | grep xpad". |
| 02:23.33 | boboysdadda | no report back |
| 02:25.31 | boboysdadda | [boboysdadda@lappy ~]$ lsmod | grep xpad |
| 02:25.32 | boboysdadda | [boboysdadda@lappy ~]$ |
| 02:25.46 | lk | Yeah, that's fine. boboysdadda, was there a how-to you consulted when setting this up? |
| 02:26.08 | boboysdadda | the readme file |
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| 02:26.17 | boboysdadda | its not to big i'll pastebin it for you |
| 02:27.17 | boboysdadda | http://pastebin.com/XA4gw8p9 |
| 02:28.26 | lk | You installed libusb-dev and the libboost files, right? |
| 02:29.02 | boboysdadda | yeah i'll run them again to make sure |
| 02:29.14 | lk | Wait, wait. |
| 02:29.24 | lk | That how-to is for ubuntu. Debian doesn't necessarily have the same versions. |
| 02:29.25 | boboysdadda | kk |
| 02:29.48 | boboysdadda | ok that could be what screwed me up |
| 02:29.55 | lk | I'm thinking so, too. |
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| 02:30.04 | boboysdadda | i'm running mepis 8.5 btw |
| 02:30.05 | lk | Do an "aptitude search libboost" and find matching names to the how-to.... might take you a while. |
| 02:30.26 | lk | Oh. I don't know how close mepis and ubuntu are in terms of updates. |
| 02:30.28 | lk | hm.... |
| 02:30.49 | Mousk4r | mepis is based on stable (lenny) |
| 02:31.07 | boboysdadda | i don't have aptitude |
| 02:31.08 | Mousk4r | ubuntu is most similar with debian testing |
| 02:31.23 | lk | Ah, I see. Thank you Mousk4r. |
| 02:31.32 | lk | boboysdadda, try apt-cache search, then. |
| 02:31.52 | Mousk4r | no prob lk |
| 02:32.18 | boboysdadda | ok theres alot of them |
| 02:32.30 | boboysdadda | libboost-all-dev? |
| 02:33.09 | Mousk4r | boboysdadda use synaptic |
| 02:33.11 | aiux | !ot |
| 02:33.12 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 02:33.16 | Mousk4r | its easier |
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| 02:33.32 | lk | No it's not! =P Too much pointing and clicking. |
| 02:34.12 | Mousk4r | lul :) |
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| 02:35.04 | boboysdadda | ok so would u like a pastebin of all the libboost search? |
| 02:35.32 | lk | boboysdadda, I guess you could try that. apt-cache show the libboost all dev one seems to match most of the files you need. |
| 02:35.36 | lk | I don't know if it's all of them, though. |
| 02:36.13 | boboysdadda | ok so install the libboost-all-dev right? |
| 02:36.32 | lk | http://lk.pastebin.com/HFaXjsH8 |
| 02:36.42 | lk | Those should be all the libboost files you need. |
| 02:37.01 | lk | But remember to go for what latest version your repo has. |
| 02:37.47 | boboysdadda | yeah looks pretty damn close |
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| 02:38.36 | lk | Yeah, but double check for anything missing =) |
| 02:38.40 | lk | It may save you headache later. |
| 02:40.02 | boboysdadda | mine is actually a few extra |
| 02:40.15 | lk | Oh, nice. Go for it then. |
| 02:40.42 | boboysdadda | http://lk.pastebin.com/fqCBYn14 |
| 02:40.51 | boboysdadda | my list is on top of your list |
| 02:41.15 | boboysdadda | ok istall all installed |
| 02:41.32 | Mousk4r | boboysdadda what version of debian do you have? |
| 02:41.43 | boboysdadda | how do i check? |
| 02:41.49 | lk | cat /etc/issue |
| 02:42.12 | boboysdadda | MEPIS Linux 8.5 \n \l |
| 02:42.29 | lk | Your libboost-all-dev doesn't seem to have the libboost-date-time stuff. |
| 02:42.41 | boboysdadda | ok i'll find that |
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| 02:43.29 | Mousk4r | mind that mepis uses custom repos except debian repos |
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| 02:43.39 | boboysdadda | its there |
| 02:43.48 | boboysdadda | or installed rather |
| 02:43.56 | rzeka | How to install qmail on Debian Lenny? Are there any repo or source only? |
| 02:44.01 | lk | Oh, okay. |
| 02:44.08 | abrotman | boboysdadda: please ask the mepis channel, this channel does not support mepis |
| 02:44.39 | abrotman | rzeka: qmail-src |
| 02:45.00 | tpocra | My 4.7GB / partition got full and I am confused as to how that happened ebcause it is an extremely minimal netinst install |
| 02:45.08 | rzeka | abrotman, http://pastebin.com/BQJaFU2J |
| 02:45.11 | tpocra | and /tmp is empty |
| 02:45.12 | lk | tpocra, chcek /var/log. |
| 02:45.23 | lk | That's what usually did it for me. |
| 02:45.29 | tpocra | lk only takes up 9.6M |
| 02:45.37 | abrotman | rzeka: it's in non-free |
| 02:45.44 | rzeka | hm... |
| 02:45.52 | abrotman | !tell rzeka about non-free |
| 02:45.54 | tpocra | Ohh but /var takes 4.1GB |
| 02:46.04 | rzeka | yeye I know how :0 |
| 02:46.05 | tpocra | in /var/lib/ |
| 02:46.07 | abrotman | tpocra: look at /var/log/ perhaps ? |
| 02:46.14 | lk | tpocra, try du -sh /*. |
| 02:46.16 | rzeka | hmm was just to me.. Why the hell You didn't add it rzeka?! |
| 02:46.20 | lk | Without the period at the end. |
| 02:46.21 | tpocra | uh-oh |
| 02:46.22 | abrotman | tpocra: aptitude clean might be a good start |
| 02:46.26 | tpocra | It is /var/lib/xen/ |
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| 02:53.04 | rupp17 | anyone up for a mount question to a NAS drive? |
| 02:54.14 | lk | rupp17, sure, why not. |
| 02:55.24 | rupp17 | OK. 1st, I can't get into freebsd room to ask there cause it is on freebsd but mount is mostly mount anyway right |
| 02:55.36 | rzeka | I have to install qmail but while I want to remove present mail server, system has to install another one. I've built the qmail but cannot install now... http://pastebin.com/0KAcHZ15 |
| 02:55.54 | rupp17 | My question is can I mount to an ip addy? |
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| 02:57.32 | rupp17 | I just THINK mount is what I am looking to do |
| 02:57.32 | lk | rupp17, if it's NFS exported, you can mount using NFS. |
| 02:58.51 | rupp17 | OK So I have to check the NAS drive and make sure I have an NFS share first |
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| 03:00.26 | lk | Yeah. If it's samba, that's doable too I think, although I've never actually tried. |
| 03:01.33 | rzeka | I have to install qmail but while I want to remove present mail server, system has to install another one. I've built the qmail but cannot install now... http://pastebin.com/0KAcHZ15 |
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| 03:03.13 | rupp17 | I have samba shares. It's just when I get to the CLI part of it my mind blanks and the man doesn't speak so well to me :-) |
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| 03:04.51 | lk | rupp17, should be easy enough: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/165 |
| 03:05.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | the first question that comes to mind is - why did you compile that package |
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| 03:05.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | anyway, you should first install the debian package before your recompiled one |
| 03:05.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | then it's only a version change and apt will have taken care of all dependencies |
| 03:05.47 | karlpinc_ | rzeka: The qmail package you build does not do the magic that lets it deal with another mta that's already installed. This probably has to do with update-alternatives. Is there a reason why you didn't use Debian's qmail? |
| 03:06.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg never does that "magic" for conflicting packages |
| 03:06.33 | dpkg | CutMeOwnThroat: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 03:06.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | shaddup! |
| 03:06.45 | karlpinc_ | CutMeOwnThroat: That's the ticket. Install debian's package first. |
| 03:06.51 | rzeka | karlpinc_, aptitude install qmai-src. The only one package I've found in repo. I did build-qmail. It's all I know. I've never used crs from repo. I'm in a lil hurry. Could You please help me? |
| 03:07.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh... has that been removed? |
| 03:07.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, qmail |
| 03:07.32 | dpkg | [qmail] a Mail Transfer Agent by D.J. Bernstein. It used to be <non-free>, now public domain, but no-one in Debian really wants to take on the responsibility of trying to maintain it (see Debian bug #457318). For documentation, see http://www.qmail.org/ and http://www.lifewithqmail.org/lwq.html. To install, ask me about <qmail debs> or <qmail equivs>. http://cr.yp.to/qmail.html #qmail on irc.freenode.net. See also <mta>. |
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| 03:07.43 | karlpinc_ | CutMeOwnThroat: Now that you mention it I recall something about license problems with qmail. |
| 03:08.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | qmail debs |
| 03:08.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, qmail debs |
| 03:08.06 | dpkg | It used to be that <qmail> could not be distributed in binary format because of its strange licence. You can build Debian packages by getting the source. Ask me about <non-free sources>, then "aptitude install ucspi-tcp-src qmail-src" and follow the build instructions (apt-cache show qmail-src). |
| 03:08.14 | rupp17 | Thanks for the help peoples.... Debian community always so NICE compared to the BSD peoples |
| 03:09.02 | karlpinc_ | I always thought there were just more of us, so there's bound to be _some_ nice people. (Execpt for Openbsd, who seem to feed off being prickly.) |
| 03:09.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, qmail equivs |
| 03:09.35 | dpkg | To install qmail from upstream source: (1) install equivs, and use the example in /usr/share/doc/equivs/ to build mta-local; (2) dpkg --purge --force-depends exim; (3) install your mta-local package; (4) install qmail by hand |
| 03:10.17 | karlpinc_ | CutMeOwnThroat: Would qmail-src have a README.Debian or something? Or is following that where the problem is? |
| 03:10.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | rzeka, are you doing this for the learning experience? |
| 03:10.33 | lk | rupp17, lol... the guy sitting next to me at work would take offense on hearing that. |
| 03:10.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually buildinstuctions are (as mentioned) in "apt-cache showsrc qmail-src" |
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| 03:11.04 | rzeka | CutMeOwnThroat, I need easy to configure, light mail system to forward messages |
| 03:11.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | and so you choose the one that might be most difficult to install on your system? |
| 03:11.36 | rupp17 | Well, can't get into the freebsd chan. and mount is generally mount where ever you go |
| 03:11.39 | rzeka | CutMeOwnThroat, I need easy to configure, light mail system to forward messages |
| 03:12.02 | karlpinc_ | CutMeOwnThroat: Not as I can see. But that's ok. I don't need to see it and I'm not all that interested. |
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| 03:13.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, as exim4 is installed by default... it should be "light" enough (whatever that is - I've never been able to find any difference in the weight of the harddisk, whatever I install) and as far as I remember it was easy enough to configure |
| 03:13.40 | rupp17 | I just needed a smack on the head to make me look at something I forgot about.... |
| 03:13.42 | karlpinc_ | rzeka: Almost any debian mta will do. do "dpkg-reconfigure mta-foo" and choose "smarthost" or "smartrelay" or some such. I prefer postfix myself. (Where you set "relayhost = foo.example.com" in /etc/postfix/main.cf.) |
| 03:14.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | but to answer the question... I guess you can dpkg -r <your_current_MTA>; dpkg -i qmail.deb |
| 03:14.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | (according ton instructions you also need ucspi-tcp) |
| 03:14.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | then do apt-get -f install to heal dependencies |
| 03:15.25 | karlpinc_ | CutMeOwnThroat: Might he need to force the removal if there's something else installed that requires an mta? (I don't do forceing unless I can help it.) |
| 03:15.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | but hey... the time you spent puzzeling about this and building qmail, you could have read a bit on exim4 configuration... |
| 03:15.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | right |
| 03:16.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | --force-all should do :-P |
| 03:16.57 | karlpinc_ | This brings to mind another question. Somebody here the other day had a systen crash half way through an "aptitude install". Then aptitude complained of brokenness. Does "apt-get -f install" fix such a situation or what's the right approach? |
| 03:17.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes... well, it should |
| 03:17.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | and I guess I should have said "aptitude -f install", not apt-get |
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| 03:18.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | it _tries_ to fix it |
| 03:18.20 | karlpinc_ | So it's at least the right first step. |
| 03:18.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, it normally does |
| 03:18.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | although aptitude sometimes tries to remove gnome or something in the process |
| 03:19.19 | karlpinc_ | Such is life. |
| 03:19.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | who needs gnome anyways |
| 03:19.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | or kde |
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| 03:23.48 | fluffymuffins | hello, i am setting up a cluster of several p3 machines and i have one problem: dnsmasq failed to create listening socket: address already in use. any suggestions? |
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| 03:26.41 | dondelelcaro | fluffymuffins: you are already running a dns server on port 54. |
| 03:26.43 | dondelelcaro | s/54/53 |
| 03:26.59 | fluffymuffins | how would i fix this? |
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| 03:27.13 | rzeka | karlpinc_, I did dpkg-reconfigure postfix. Now it looks like that: http://pastebin.com/Da0Wnnq4 |
| 03:28.01 | SerajewelKS | fluffymuffins: don't run two DNS servers |
| 03:29.08 | fluffymuffins | yes, but i guess what i am saying here is how do i disable this DNS server, and keep dnsmasq |
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| 03:44.51 | bodom | Hello. I'm in trouble installing Debian Gnu/Hurd. I'm trying network install and it says that it can't contact the server. |
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| 03:45.32 | zobel | then you mabe have a network card that needs firmware. |
| 03:45.43 | zobel | not sure if that works with hurd though |
| 03:46.58 | bodom | I've forgot to say that I can ping internet from shell and also dns and proxy are fine |
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| 03:47.01 | zobel | then no clue. |
| 03:47.17 | zobel | can you ping the mirror you use for installing? |
| 03:48.16 | bodom | yes, I can |
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| 03:48.35 | bodom | I could also wget index.html from google.com, just to be sure |
| 03:50.49 | zobel | no idea then |
| 03:51.45 | bodom | zobel: the exact error message is "The server was unavailable or contained no Release file". Also, I've tried changing mirror with same result |
| 03:51.49 | lk | bodom, tried a different mirror? |
| 03:51.51 | lk | Oh. |
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| 03:53.07 | \amethyst | bodom: does this mirror provide the GNU/Hurd arch? |
| 03:53.22 | \amethyst | s/does this mirror/do these mirrors/ |
| 03:53.36 | bodom | \amethyst: http://www.debian.org/mirror/list says he does |
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| 03:54.31 | bodom | it's ftp.us.debian.org |
| 03:54.56 | zobel | ftp.us.d.o is a rotation of 4 mirrors IIRC |
| 03:55.33 | Rusty1 | wonders if an apt-get update preceded the try (late to the thread) |
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| 03:56.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | welll... perhaps it's "congratulations, you're the first to try to install gnu/hurd" |
| 03:56.56 | bodom | lol |
| 03:57.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | I'm confused anyway... I thought hurd would be finished next year |
| 03:58.02 | bodom | CutMeOwnThroat: they say it's experimental... I was expecting many problems, but I wasn't expecting to bein' unable to get it from the mirror :D |
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| 03:58.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | did you check if the mirror has it? |
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| 03:59.20 | bodom | CutMeOwnThroat: in wich folder it should be? |
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| 04:00.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm |
| 04:00.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually I have no idea how that's supposed to work - it's not a different architecture as such |
| 04:00.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | but surely you'd need to treat it like a different architecture for each case |
| 04:01.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/ |
| 04:01.07 | bodom | found it! It's on dists/unstable. Yes, it has it |
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| 04:02.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/unstable/main/binary-hurd-i386/ |
| 04:02.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | Packages.gz |
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| 04:03.47 | bodom | nope, giving it the full file path doesn't work too |
| 04:03.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | duh, I dont understand how that works |
| 04:04.24 | woodworks | i'm flumoxxed with trying to set up fluxbox on vanilla debian lenny install, put "exec startfluxbox" in .xsession file, during gui login i get "your session lasted less than 10 seconds...etc" and xsession-errors says can't command not found. checked path and usr/bin is there and startfluxbox is in this directory... where am i going wrong? |
| 04:04.24 | aiux | http://www.debian.org/ports/hurd/hurd-install |
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| 04:05.04 | bodom | np, I'm gonna download the full 4.2GB DVD ( -_-' ) and see if this works :\ |
| 04:05.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | what I don't understand is - where are the packages for the different architectures |
| 04:05.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | all packages are supposedly here ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/ |
| 04:06.12 | aiux | nah , http://ftp.ch.debian.org/debian-ports/ |
| 04:06.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | ah, all right, was just in one of the wrong subdirs |
| 04:06.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | no |
| 04:06.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/r/r-cran-epibasix/r-cran-epibasix_1.1-1_hurd-i386.deb |
| 04:07.05 | bodom | I guess the base system is some kind of tgz somewhere else |
| 04:07.14 | woodworks | same thing if i try "exec icewn-session" but both were installed w/ aptitude |
| 04:07.49 | aiux | bodom, readed http://www.debian.org/ports/hurd/hurd-install ? |
| 04:07.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | woodworks, aren't you using a [kgx]dm? |
| 04:08.26 | woodworks | CutMeOwnThroat: i don't know what that means |
| 04:08.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | some type of login manager? |
| 04:09.05 | simonrvn | flummoxed by fluxbox, nice :P |
| 04:09.06 | woodworks | CutMeOwnThroat without any .xsession file it goes to gnome |
| 04:09.13 | bodom | aiux: yep, but it also doesn't say the exact url for download |
| 04:09.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | normally that lets you choose from the available wms and you don't have to edit any config |
| 04:09.32 | simonrvn | ...for the play on words of course |
| 04:09.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | woodworks, do exec /usr/bin/xterm and call the window manager from within there, see why it fails |
| 04:10.35 | woodworks | oh, whoa, now session shows fluxbox, let me try |
| 04:10.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | or start X with X;DISPLAY=:0 xterm then start it from within there |
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| 04:11.38 | \amethyst | woodworks: did you run icewm-session from the xterm, or just icewm? |
| 04:11.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | simonrvn, groan |
| 04:11.49 | simonrvn | :) |
| 04:12.02 | simonrvn | good evening good sir |
| 04:12.15 | woodworks | CutMeOwnThroat: fluxbox now runs when chosen from sessions, thanks |
| 04:12.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | simonrvn, I should make a badge "I read all Xanth books and survived, haha, hahahah, ahahaha!!!!!" |
| 04:12.48 | woodworks | \amethyst: i just put the command in a .xsession file to be read in |
| 04:12.52 | bodom | Finally |
| 04:13.00 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 04:13.05 | bodom | I had to give it the full url: http://ftp.debian-ports.org/debian/base/debian-gnu-hurd-current.tar.gz |
| 04:13.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | \o/ |
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| 04:14.52 | woodworks | CutMeOwnThroat: thank you for having me look at sessions again |
| 04:15.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | yw |
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| 04:21.47 | simonrvn | CutMeOwnThroat: "...and all i got was this lousy t-shirt" |
| 04:24.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | too true |
| 04:25.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | and you're not even getting to show it to anyone! |
| 04:25.33 | simonrvn | heh |
| 04:25.35 | yang | Any idea how to resolve this mysql dependancy issue - http://pastebin.com/s0ja2BcK |
| 04:26.05 | simonrvn | don't use mysql? :P |
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| 04:27.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | yang, start the mysql server before removing the package |
| 04:28.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's like in windows... click "start" to shut down the computer |
| 04:28.49 | lk | lol, never thought of it that way. |
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| 04:29.45 | yang | CutMeOwnThroat: I cannot, it fails |
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| 04:30.27 | yang | is still here |
| 04:30.47 | bodom | yang: brute way: edit /etc/init.d/mysql and put "exit 0" after the top comments :D |
| 04:31.11 | simonrvn | if you're purging, it won't matter ;) |
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| 04:31.19 | simonrvn | (the exit 0) |
| 04:31.30 | yang | http://pastebin.com/GwLEVgGaž |
| 04:31.35 | yang | http://pastebin.com/GwLEVgGa sorry |
| 04:31.58 | zebradog | says purging poor code ethnicity << a strange grammatic syndrome < : } |
| 04:32.22 | emergion | Hello. I have just installed Request Tracker via apt-get. I have never set up a web application in debian but in gentoo there is a tool called webapp-config should I use something similar to set up the VirtualHost under apache? |
| 04:32.56 | emergion | I could just write a file by hand but there must be a standard way of going about this ? |
| 04:33.24 | bodom | emergion: usually, apt-get does all the work automagically. Isn't your case? |
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| 04:33.46 | yang | bodom: I still cannot shutdown or purge via aptitude |
| 04:33.57 | yang | and cannot even kill -9 it |
| 04:34.02 | zebradog | yang, maybe its poor postrm script.. |
| 04:34.14 | zebradog | yang, purge what |
| 04:34.16 | emergion | That is why I am confused. When I installed the package it asked me if I would like to use rt.mydomain.com but I did not happen. |
| 04:34.19 | zebradog | mysql? |
| 04:34.23 | zebradog | try the postmaster command.. |
| 04:34.26 | yang | purge the package |
| 04:34.33 | yang | yes |
| 04:34.52 | yang | postmaster command ? |
| 04:34.59 | simonrvn | zebradog: what? |
| 04:35.01 | zebradog | yang, look in the mysqld script and look for a postmaster command, there may be another package or somethin |
| 04:35.06 | Chascon | anyone here run kfreebsd? |
| 04:35.22 | zebradog | i'm guessing.. least to say, is to look in the mysqld script |
| 04:35.34 | yang | you mean /etc/init.d/mysql |
| 04:35.34 | simonrvn | postgres has postmaster... |
| 04:35.56 | Chascon | does it have proprietary flash? and why is ufw listed in hte reposiotries? Does ip tables really run on kfreebsd? |
| 04:36.01 | zebradog | true postgres does, but it's been ages since i last looked at mysql ;) |
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| 04:36.28 | yang | I removed mysqld-server properly, but mysqld-server-5.1 I cannot |
| 04:36.33 | simonrvn | mysqld and mysqld_safe |
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| 04:37.12 | emergion | bodom, Is there a script or something I can run to try set it up again? |
| 04:37.20 | simonrvn | mind you i don't like mysql either, and it's been a while for me too. |
| 04:37.54 | bodom | emergion: dpkg-reconfigure <pkgname> |
| 04:38.02 | emergion | thanks |
| 04:38.39 | yang | placing "exit 0" at the bottom line doesn't help |
| 04:38.54 | bodom | yang: have you made the exit 0 threat on /etc/init.d/mysql-server-something? |
| 04:38.58 | yang | yes |
| 04:39.09 | bodom | yang: bottom? maybe top! |
| 04:39.15 | yang | vps1:/# /etc/init.d/mysql stop |
| 04:39.16 | yang | Stopping MySQL database server: mysqld failed! |
| 04:39.30 | yang | I placed it at the bottom, should it be at the top ? |
| 04:39.50 | bodom | yang: place it at the top, just after the lines starting with # |
| 04:40.15 | bodom | yang: but before any non-empty line starting with anything other than # |
| 04:41.50 | yang | it has now removed the package, but this processes remain - http://pastebin.com/4NT7Jz6t |
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| 04:42.09 | bodom | yang: kill -9? |
| 04:42.46 | bodom | yang: kill -9 <process_id> |
| 04:42.55 | yang | cool |
| 04:42.57 | yang | thanks |
| 04:43.29 | bodom | nice to help you rape yous system :D |
| 04:43.37 | bodom | *your |
| 04:43.56 | zebradog | yang, how are you trying to stop mysqld originally? /etc/init.d/mysqld-server stop ? |
| 04:46.01 | yang | no |
| 04:46.09 | yang | /etc/init.d/mysql stop |
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| 04:51.29 | zebradog | yang, do dpkg -L <mysqldpackagename> |grep etc |
| 04:51.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | yang, you cannot kill what? and did you do what bodom said? |
| 04:51.55 | yang | its solved |
| 04:52.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | aha |
| 04:52.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | I was on the bus :) |
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| 04:52.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | bodom, actually no... doing that was totally fine |
| 04:53.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | good idea - I thought of editing the postrm script, but... this was much simpler |
| 04:54.23 | bodom | CutMeOwnThroat: I'm used to play with sid, I've learned some violent tricks when apt starts bein' unfriendly |
| 04:54.30 | bodom | :P |
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| 04:54.46 | simonrvn | just things you pick up along the way ;) |
| 04:55.00 | simonrvn | is also a long time sid user/helper |
| 04:55.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | badgers, latex gloves, 200 l of kerosene... |
| 04:55.25 | Engrish_Man | all work and no play |
| 04:55.37 | bodom | lol |
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| 04:57.47 | Burning_Aces | a |
| 04:58.51 | lk | CutMeOwnThroat, can't say no to LaTeX. It's awesome stuff. |
| 04:58.57 | lk | Wish I'd known about it back in school. |
| 04:59.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | ach, I dunno.. it's got so many quirks |
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| 04:59.56 | hideo | uh someone kick Burning_Aces |
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| 05:00.07 | hideo | he's DCC sploiting |
| 05:00.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | !ops Burning_Aces dcc exploit |
| 05:00.11 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: cutmeownthroat complains about: Burning_Aces dcc exploit |
| 05:00.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | hideo, the funny thing is nearly nobody has it anymore :) |
| 05:00.49 | hideo | yeah ... and the noob still thinks it's funny |
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| 05:01.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | well.... the fun's a bit thin when you get 1 out of 900 or so |
| 05:01.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually it's not overly funny to start with |
| 05:02.15 | hideo | what's the point, other than dropping connections? |
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| 05:02.27 | hideo | can they actually do anything? |
| 05:02.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | saying "haha", I guess |
| 05:02.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | no |
| 05:02.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's in some cisco routers |
| 05:02.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | iirc |
| 05:03.10 | hideo | yeah linksys routers, only for those who connect to port 6667 though |
| 05:03.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | right |
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| 05:03.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | and I don't think you can do much with those |
| 05:03.57 | hideo | meh, what a nub |
| 05:04.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | this would actually be a nice thing to kline people automatically on :) |
| 05:04.17 | Engrish_Man | wow.... DCC xploit.... isn't cute |
| 05:04.25 | Engrish_Man | aaaaw... he's gone |
| 05:04.27 | hideo | heh |
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| 05:05.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | I've actually never done that dcc exploit thing...ever... now I'm worried that makes me a bad person or so |
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| 05:06.24 | Engrish_Man | is just like dcc exploit reminds noobie days |
| 05:06.35 | aiux | !karma CutMeOwnThroat |
| 05:06.36 | dpkg | cutmeownthroat has karma of 2 |
| 05:06.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 05:07.12 | Engrish_Man | i bet he try to exploit dpkg |
| 05:07.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | you mean it hasn't hurt much |
| 05:07.17 | Engrish_Man | also |
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| 05:11.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | ach, dpkg has some unbeatabe defenses |
| 05:11.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually, the "a" was somehow part of this, he said that on several channels |
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| 05:16.08 | pallgone | anyone noticed that "reading database" is suddenly much quicker on squeeze? |
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| 05:17.37 | lk | pallgone, regarding this? https://bugs.launchpad.net/debian/+source/dpkg/+bug/398870 |
| 05:18.09 | hink | OK so i am trying to build my first deb package ..... I have generated all teh good stuff in the debian directory..... i have edited control, copyright and changelog. The deb package is a simply bash script utility, so there is no "binary" being created. I do need to install some ruby gems postinst and I assume I have to copy the script to the proper location postinst. |
| 05:18.09 | bodom | bye |
| 05:18.15 | hink | Do I do this in the rules or postinst script? |
| 05:18.46 | pallgone | lk: yup |
| 05:19.29 | hink | So technically i dont need a configure, make or make install |
| 05:19.47 | lk | That thread claims it's a nine-year old bug: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=69192 -- maybe it's finally fixed =) |
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| 05:21.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes I was just saying 'This bug report #69192 is 9 years old, is it still not taken care of?' |
| 05:21.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | he's got no idea how debian works!!! |
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| 05:21.27 | pallgone | lk: "reading database" now already starts at around 70% and finishes in a few seconds after cold start, before I was waiting like 20 seconds or something |
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| 05:22.05 | lk | Impressive. |
| 05:24.14 | Engrish_Man | true man ...true |
| 05:24.22 | tpocra | How can I tell what cipher and key strength my LUKS/dm-crypt LVs are? |
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| 05:25.55 | dimm0k | in a bash script, is it possible to pass the environment variable $SSH_CLIENT to a program such as mailx? |
| 05:27.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | hmpf crossposter |
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| 05:31.56 | wols | dimm0k: children processes should inherit the environment of the parent |
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| 05:33.40 | dimm0k | wols: right, but i'm basically looking for a way to redirect the contents of a variable to mailx rather than a file |
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| 05:35.02 | prince_jammys | sigh |
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| 05:35.45 | prince_jammys | bash: command <<<"$foo" ; sh: echo "$foo" | command |
| 05:37.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | prince_jammys, do you answer in pieces? Is there a third answer from you on some channel I'm not in? :) |
| 05:37.36 | prince_jammys | cat #bash #debian >answer |
| 05:37.44 | prince_jammys | oops, those are comments. |
| 05:38.06 | prince_jammys | ^D |
| 05:38.27 | prince_jammys | dimm0k: welcome |
| 05:38.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 05:38.44 | prince_jammys | ha |
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| 05:40.16 | prince_jammys | CutMeOwnThroat: ..ebian ? |
| 05:40.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | y |
| 05:40.41 | prince_jammys | ok, back to seriousness. |
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| 05:43.14 | eshaase | why is it that when i transfer files to/from a usb drive it brings my system to a halt? |
| 05:43.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's not using DMA? |
| 05:44.01 | eshaase | is that based on a bios settings i adjust? |
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| 05:44.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | no... and it should not be a problem |
| 05:44.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | check dmesg for loads of error messages |
| 05:44.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps the stick is faulty |
| 05:44.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | that shoudn't bother the system too much, though |
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| 05:45.07 | eshaase | 'dmesg|grep -i dma' doesn't show anything of interest |
| 05:45.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | and hdparm /dev/<usbdevice> |
| 05:45.13 | fluffymuffins | hello, i set up a cluster server, and now the diskless nodes are saying "PXE-E32: TFTP open timeout" |
| 05:45.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | dma wouldn't turn up in dmesg |
| 05:46.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | don't grep it, look at it! |
| 05:46.42 | eshaase | lol, ok, hold up |
| 05:47.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | look at the end directly after trying to use the stick |
| 05:47.07 | eshaase | just so used to so much nonsense being there =) |
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| 05:47.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | well.. look for the device name of the stick |
| 05:47.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | or loads of i/o errors |
| 05:47.31 | eshaase | ok, think i got something |
| 05:48.03 | eshaase | http://pastebin.com/EG6HpLQU |
| 05:48.09 | eshaase | that continually repeats |
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| 05:49.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's the cdrom (as you can see, as it says so) |
| 05:50.36 | eshaase | sr0? |
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| 05:51.43 | eshaase | anyways, i'm guessing thats not meaningful, any other ideas? |
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| 05:52.40 | eshaase | not sure what i was looking for in the output of "hdparm /dev/sdb" |
| 05:54.15 | pallgone | dimm0k: how do you mean "pass"? can't you just do 'mailx $VAR'? |
| 05:54.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, what did it say? try hdpamr -d /dev/sdb that's only one line |
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| 05:55.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | hdparm* |
| 05:57.16 | eshaase | CutMeOwnThroat: I get "HDIO_GET_DMA failed: Invalid argument" |
| 05:57.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | thought so.. shouldn't be a problem then |
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| 05:59.28 | eshaase | so this problem happens when i make large moves from/to my usb drive, so while the transfer is occurring, my system lags like a mofo |
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| 06:01.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | is the stick mounted with the "sync" option, actually? |
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| 06:02.53 | JdGordon | hey,whats the correct way to go from a clean lenny netboot install to unstable or testing? |
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| 06:03.29 | eshaase | CutMeOwnThroat: based on the output of 'mount' it doesn't seem so |
| 06:03.32 | Mark_ | change /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 06:03.39 | Mark_ | apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 06:03.51 | Mark_ | iirc theres a current quirk with udev and the kernel |
| 06:03.54 | eshaase | CutMeOwnThroat: i get '/dev/sdb1 on /media/Media type fuseblk (rw,nosuid,nodev,allow_other,blksize=4096,default_permissions)' from executing 'mount|grep Media' |
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| 06:04.00 | Mark_ | that requires some shennanigans |
| 06:04.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | seems ok |
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| 06:04.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg lenny->squeeze |
| 06:04.37 | dpkg | Remove any APT source specific to stable (such as volatile), then s/lenny/squeeze/ on your sources.list and then aptitude update && aptitude install aptitude linux-image-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,'` ; reboot; aptitude safe-upgrade && aptitude full-upgrade. Important: see <squeeze udev>. Also ask me about <d-d-a>, <apt-listchanges>, <testing>. |
| 06:05.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | JdGordon, yeah - "important: see squeeze udev" |
| 06:05.25 | JdGordon | ok thanks |
| 06:05.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | I don't know if it's still a problem, but that could pretty much be a fun-stopper |
| 06:05.33 | Mark_ | i did it all with apt-get |
| 06:05.51 | Mark_ | i had to manually remove a linux-image package and reboot and continue the dist-upgrade |
| 06:05.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's that udev bug with the new kernel(options) in squeeze |
| 06:06.19 | Mark_ | but it wasnt bad, im sure if you follow those aptitude instructions itll go fine |
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| 06:07.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | Mark_, aptitude has better abilities to resolve dependency problems and should be used for upgrades |
| 06:07.21 | Mark_ | shrug |
| 06:07.23 | Mark_ | it was a vm |
| 06:07.28 | Mark_ | if it broke i wouldnt have cared |
| 06:07.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | I wouldn't have cared either if your vm broke |
| 06:08.02 | wols | meanie |
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| 06:08.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | yup, that's me |
| 06:08.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | wols, virtual minikittens? |
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| 06:44.36 | jnewt | http://codepad.org/SLxNrZRB if anyone could take a look at this, i would appreciate it. |
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| 06:58.18 | jnewt | svn: Server sent unexpected return value (405 Method Not Allowed) in response to PROPFIND request for '/trunk' |
| 06:58.43 | jnewt | anyone know what this is and how to fix it? i have tried about 10 different web suggestions, none seem to work |
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| 07:12.04 | macboy | hi |
| 07:12.16 | macboy | howto set NO logging in postfix ? |
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| 07:16.31 | macboy | howto set NO logging in postfix ? |
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| 07:18.17 | wols | macboy: man syslog.conf |
| 07:18.24 | macboy | grrr |
| 07:18.52 | macboy | i edit fucking syslog.conf, cut any string "mail" and postfix put data in syslog file!! |
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| 07:22.43 | jnewt | how can verify all my permissions are correct for a particular application. i keep getting errors with svn, that i think are permission errors, but after hours of googling, i can't find a list of what they need to be!!!! this seems rediculous |
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| 07:24.23 | ehnvis | macboy: to my knowledge you cant disable logging in postfix. you better off using logrotate and compress/move/remove the logs after rotation. |
| 07:25.10 | wols | ehnvis: ever heard of /dev/null ? |
| 07:25.52 | macboy | You do not want that. My server is saturated, I want postfix leave no record. I do not care postfix logs. |
| 07:25.56 | ehnvis | wols: hehe well thats a way too :) |
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| 07:28.14 | pickles | i bet he's running on his ipad |
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| 07:43.30 | owen1 | what package do i need so i can have a wireless network plugin on my panel? (using xfce) |
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| 07:44.43 | cahoot | owen1: your meaning is not easily understood - I *guess* you want something like wicd |
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| 07:45.17 | owen1 | cahoot: yeah |
| 07:47.04 | ShishKabab | Hi. I'm trying to set up an encrypted partition on /dev/sdb1 with 'cryptsetup luksFormat /dev/sdb1' and then try to open in with the same password (from the clipboard, tried it a few times) with 'cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/sdb1 crypted'. But it won't open and keeps asking for the passphrase. Any ideas why? |
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| 07:48.30 | tootroot | How do I remove a file from auto-booting? I have transmission-daemon installed and want it to stop running on boot |
| 07:48.44 | ShishKabab | I'm trying this under Debian Lenny, cryptsetup version 1.0.6-7. |
| 07:49.22 | cahoot | tootroot: see what man update-rc.d offers |
| 07:49.51 | tootroot | Any files I can edit to remove it |
| 07:50.07 | tootroot | oh right |
| 07:50.10 | tootroot | ill just rtfm |
| 07:50.53 | wols | tootroot: ls /etc/rc2.d/*trans* |
| 07:51.08 | tootroot | update-rc.d -f transmission-daemon remove |
| 07:51.10 | tootroot | think that worked |
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| 07:51.25 | tootroot | wondeful =p |
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| 08:01.11 | SerajewelKS | tootroot: many daemons have a file in /etc/defaults that you can use to disable the daemon without removing the rc symlinks |
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| 08:03.32 | tootroot | ok |
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| 08:16.48 | fluffymuffins | got a question. "TFTP open timed out" on my nodes, when tftp is fully installed on the serv. any idea whats up? |
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| 08:27.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | got tftp configured incorrectly and it doesn't allow access to anything |
| 08:27.45 | Russell_F36 | !webmin |
| 08:27.45 | dpkg | Webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." See http://bugs.debian.org/343897 about the removal from Debian. Don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality. |
| 08:28.09 | Russell_F36 | !ispconfig |
| 08:28.09 | dpkg | ISPConfig is a web hosting control panel available under the BSD license - http://www.ispconfig.org/ |
| 08:28.18 | Russell_F36 | !virtualmin |
| 08:28.30 | Russell_F36 | !wine |
| 08:28.30 | dpkg | [wine] Wine Is Not an Emulator, an application intended to allow execution of Microsoft Windows programs. Packaged for Debian. Application compatibility database: http://appdb.winehq.org/ . The beta Wine packages from lamaresh.net are not supported in #debian. http://wiki.winehq.org/FAQ http://www.winehq.org/ #winehq on irc.freenode.net. See also <mmap_min_addr> regarding use of Win16 binaries. |
| 08:28.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | !msg the bot |
| 08:28.42 | dpkg | Please message the bot... not doing so could be considered an unnecessary flood. Instead of typing "!tell <your nick> about <topic>" you can just type "/msg dpkg <topic>". See also <selftell>. Also visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively use the factoids database, or ask me about <bot help> <help> |
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| 08:32.45 | Russell_F36 | ty cut |
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| 08:42.17 | zeridon | hi all anyone around with Dell Studio 1537 laptop (with Ati HD3450 video) |
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| 08:44.49 | streuner__ | zeridon: /msg dpkg laptops |
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| 08:46.19 | zeridon | streuner__, thanks |
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| 08:52.50 | tpocra | How can I make a command alias system-wide every boot, not just specific to one login shell? |
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| 08:53.11 | tpocra | Using rc.local is not working on my shells that I am logging in at. |
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| 08:54.03 | sauvin | tpocra, bash alias? |
| 08:54.18 | zeridon | tpocra: if it will be used only in interactive logins put it in /etc/profile.d/zz-aliases.sh |
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| 08:54.28 | tpocra | zeridon: Thanks |
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| 08:54.46 | sauvin | The problem I foresee is that not all aliases would work in all shells. |
| 08:54.51 | tpocra | zeridon: that file does not exist. |
| 08:55.00 | babilen | create it ;) |
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| 08:58.43 | babilen | tpocra: and keep sauvin's remark in mind |
| 08:59.16 | tpocra | Okay that's fine |
| 08:59.35 | tpocra | is /etc/profile.d a dir where all .sh scripts in there with +x perms for root get executed every boot? |
| 09:00.09 | zeridon | tpocra: yea i forgot to mention it may not exist and it is valid for only bash family of shells (bash, dash, ash, sh) |
| 09:00.31 | zeridon | if it is needed for csh style shells then it should be with ext *.csh |
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| 09:07.01 | fluffymuffins | ok, my kde just completely crashed after a dist upgrade. as in even after i reboot, i cannot do the alt ctrl f1 to get out. |
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| 09:16.43 | zeridon | fluffymuffins: boot in single mode (console preferred) move away your kde dir, fix the xorg.conf to contain Section "ServerFlags" |
| 09:16.43 | zeridon | Option"DontZap""False" |
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| 10:00.37 | russian_ulysses_ | sometimes in Squeeze/Gnome cursor becomes very big, as if for visually impaired. I can fix this only by reboot, restart of X doesn't help. How can I fix issue? (I'm using almost latest Squeeze, Gnome2.30/2.28 and fglrx driver). |
| 10:01.02 | russian_ulysses_ | and there's no 'cursor size' tab in Preferences|Mouse |
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| 10:13.45 | Kamping_Kaiser | if i want to run a script whenever i plug in a particular external hdd, can i do that using udev/some other debian mechanism? |
| 10:14.04 | Kamping_Kaiser | (I'm checking udev docs, but hoping for more then a theorical yes) |
| 10:14.30 | GildeAway | ist mal weg: Zurzeit abwesend |
| 10:14.57 | babilen | !tell GildeAway about away |
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| 10:18.27 | Worf | Kamping_Kaiser: well, udev is the right way to go, and you have a bunch of different things available to check for. trigger on some driver, on vendor ids, etc... ( but for one specific harddisk some volume id might be the best choice ) |
| 10:19.25 | Kamping_Kaiser | Worf: thanks, ill find out teh devices volume id and go from there :) |
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| 10:21.40 | babilen | Kamping_Kaiser: http://reactivated.net/writing_udev_rules.html#external-run |
| 10:22.24 | babilen | Kamping_Kaiser: or file:///usr/share/doc/udev/writing_udev_rules/index.html |
| 10:22.48 | pakos | hi i'm trying to run sqldeveloper and it asks for full java patch, what should i write there? |
| 10:23.27 | babilen | pakos: It might help if you provide the complete output on a pastebin (http://paste.debian.net) |
| 10:23.33 | Kamping_Kaiser | babilen: i'd found the first link, thanks for the local version. |
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| 10:23.50 | babilen | Kamping_Kaiser: Good luck :) |
| 10:23.55 | Kamping_Kaiser | thanks! |
| 10:24.12 | pakos | wel it's not so long so lemme paste it here |
| 10:24.14 | pakos | Type the full pathname of a J2SE installation (or Ctrl-C to quit), the path will be stored in ~/.sqldeveloper/jdk |
| 10:24.18 | pakos | thats it |
| 10:24.30 | pakos | ofc java is installed |
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| 10:25.10 | babilen | pakos: update-alternatives --list java |
| 10:25.48 | babilen | pakos: That will tell you the alternatives for the "java" binary |
| 10:25.52 | pakos | ok it shows patch, thats it right? |
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| 10:27.25 | pakos | hmm it shows /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/jre/bin/java but developer says not found |
| 10:27.33 | pakos | weird |
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| 10:28.04 | saura | hello all. I installed Debian using minimal disk. Now how do I do a full install |
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| 10:29.45 | djura-san | o/ |
| 10:29.55 | owon | hi |
| 10:30.17 | babilen | pakos: You probably want to set something like /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun (compare with the output of "sudo update-java-alternatives --list") - I would also read the README.Debian of the sqldeveloper-package package (/usr/share/doc/sqldeveloper-package/README.Debian) |
| 10:30.27 | babilen | saura: Full install? |
| 10:30.32 | pakos | ok thx |
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| 10:31.48 | saura | yes |
| 10:31.56 | babilen | saura: What is a full install? |
| 10:33.16 | saura | babilen: I would like to have a gui |
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| 10:33.46 | babilen | saura: Well, you want to install Xorg then and probably a window manager/desktop environment |
| 10:33.59 | saura | Is apt-get install kde enough? In ubuntu there was something called apt-get install desktop |
| 10:34.05 | saura | that is why I got confused. |
| 10:34.08 | saura | thanks |
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| 10:34.14 | babilen | !tell saura about install x |
| 10:34.18 | AimHere | apt-get install kde will install absolutely everything to do with kde, which may or may not be more than you want |
| 10:34.39 | saura | ok |
| 10:34.41 | babilen | saura: You probably want to use aptitude in lieu of apt-get and you should read |
| 10:34.47 | babilen | !tell saura about install kde |
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| 10:40.42 | dutchfish | line 70 and 71 http://debian.pastebin.com/S8DSYUGd |
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| 10:46.28 | lk | dutchfish, what does grep gettext /usr/share/gconf/schemas/* get you? |
| 10:47.07 | dutchfish | lk: /usr/share/gconf/schemas/anjuta-debug-manager.schemas: <gettext_domain>anjuta</gettext_domain> |
| 10:48.32 | lk | http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org/msg775493.html |
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| 10:49.21 | dutchfish | lk: thank you very much ! |
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| 10:57.50 | echosystm | hi guys |
| 10:58.11 | echosystm | ive heard its better to run sid than testing, because testing apparently doesnt get "timely security updates" |
| 10:58.17 | echosystm | is this true? |
| 10:58.21 | MadBlack | why there are three different versions of cgg and cpp? |
| 10:58.24 | echosystm | it seems a bit counter intuitive |
| 10:58.38 | Kamping_Kaiser | echosystm: no its not, testing has security support |
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| 10:58.48 | MadBlack | yes, it has |
| 10:58.48 | Kamping_Kaiser | MadBlack: because different apps won't build with some versions? |
| 10:58.54 | ham5 | sounds silly to me echosystm but bottom line if you dont know run lenny |
| 10:59.10 | echosystm | i can run lenny ham5 |
| 10:59.25 | echosystm | video performance seems bad for my intel video |
| 10:59.38 | echosystm | *cant run lenny |
| 10:59.55 | lk | echosystm, even if you recompile the kernel? |
| 10:59.57 | ham5 | framerates went up hella for me with the newest x and nvidia drivers |
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| 11:00.12 | lk | Lenny didn't work for my wireless, but a kernel recompile (or even backports' kernel) made it work fine. |
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| 11:00.47 | MadBlack | finally there is a way to compile the nvidia kernel module in squeeze |
| 11:00.47 | lk | echosystm, I have heard that unstable is preferable to testing, but that was on a another channel a long time ago in a place far, far away.... |
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| 11:02.07 | MadBlack | now just install nvidia-glx and the rest comes by itself |
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| 11:04.43 | julianoliver | i am setting up a server with 5 users. all of them are good friends and relatively experienced Debian users. there is a small debate as to whether sudo should be set up on the server, as all would like to be able to add the occassional package. aside from the obvious reasons, is there a page outlining the risks to using sudo, with full privileges, for users, on a server? |
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| 11:06.32 | ham5 | why would your 'frends' need sudo? |
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| 11:07.06 | julianoliver | ham5: yes, this is my thought. they just find it more comfortable. in reality, 3 of us are Debian users, the other two are more familiar with Ubuntu server. |
| 11:08.02 | ham5 | they are users not administrators whats comfortable about it? |
| 11:08.03 | lk | julianoliver, as long as you maintain password authentication for sudo, you should be fine. |
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| 11:09.24 | julianoliver | lk: but is it not saner to have one strong root password than trying to ensure that all 5 of us, at all times, have strong passwords for $USER? |
| 11:09.55 | lk | Yeah, it does, and I would much prefer it that way. |
| 11:10.24 | lk | In that situation, as long as you trust each person to administer the system right, sudo would be superfluous. |
| 11:10.34 | julianoliver | .. secondly, sudo is TTY portable. with MySQL injections and all the nastiness that PHP brings, i get nervous about sudo on web-facing user content. |
| 11:10.39 | ham5 | yea im trying to figure out what they need sudo for |
| 11:10.46 | julianoliver | lk: yeah, i'm into the trust thing here - we're all mates. |
| 11:10.55 | julianoliver | ham5: Ubuntu users.. they're used to it. |
| 11:10.57 | lk | Then you wouldn't have any use for it. |
| 11:11.03 | julianoliver | lk: agreed. |
| 11:11.17 | lk | lol, the only time I use sudo is sudo su on ubuntu systems.... |
| 11:11.54 | ham5 | give me some access julianoliver |
| 11:12.08 | ham5 | im a comfortable debian user |
| 11:12.16 | julianoliver | ham5: ;) |
| 11:12.40 | julianoliver | lk: i have little problem with sudo on personal machines, workstations, but for a server it seems superfluous. |
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| 11:12.58 | julianoliver | s/superfluous/dangerous/ |
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| 11:13.23 | petern_ | Why is it dangerous? |
| 11:13.42 | lk | julianoliver, true, but as with all things, if you're careless, more so. |
| 11:13.49 | babilen | julianoliver: why is that? it makes sense to restrict admin/staff groups to certain actions/programs/... on a server and you don't have to hand out the root password to thousands of people |
| 11:14.13 | julianoliver | babilen: they don't want restrictions - as a small group of friends, we're all 'admins'. |
| 11:14.17 | julianoliver | it's not a typical setup. |
| 11:14.25 | julianoliver | lk: indeed. |
| 11:15.14 | ham5 | sodo would be the way to go then yes you need it |
| 11:15.20 | babilen | julianoliver: which is a special case of a server setup. i still don't see why sudo on servers (in general) should be considered dangerous |
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| 11:16.09 | julianoliver | babilen: one strong root password is easier to trust that 5 or 6 ever changing, potentially weak passwords. |
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| 11:16.57 | bzed | julianoliver: implement a proper password policy for users with sudo access then. |
| 11:17.00 | ham5 | your users could just change or rm the account with sudo privlidges? |
| 11:17.00 | babilen | julianoliver: just check passwords when users try to set them and refuse to set weak ones |
| 11:17.03 | julianoliver | secondly sudo sessions are TTY portable. if an attacker gets access to a shell via a user they only need to wait for a user in another TTY to 'sudo <command>' and they have root. |
| 11:17.10 | ham5 | why try to 'crack' it |
| 11:17.37 | julianoliver | babilen: again, i believe sudo is superfluous in this case.. 5 friends, all admins, one root password. it's safer. |
| 11:17.48 | ham5 | do it |
| 11:18.00 | ham5 | dont forget my access |
| 11:18.04 | julianoliver | hehe |
| 11:18.35 | babilen | julianoliver: I am not talking about the 5 users, all friends case, but about "sudo on a server should be considered dangerous" |
| 11:18.35 | julianoliver | ahah. |
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| 11:19.35 | julianoliver | i don't know but many respected institutions disallow it. here's an example of a root policy that seems very sane to me: http://cf.stanford.edu/policy/root |
| 11:20.07 | petern_ | julianoliver, regarding 'TTY portable', you can turn that off. |
| 11:20.21 | julianoliver | petern_: oh really.. that's good to know. |
| 11:20.29 | ham5 | sure its got options |
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| 11:20.35 | babilen | julianoliver: how exactly is that an argument *against* sudo? |
| 11:20.37 | frostschutz | you should disable direct root login anyway though... so if the system is compromised you can at least have a chance to learn which users account was used to do it |
| 11:20.51 | hideo | grsecurity |
| 11:20.57 | julianoliver | frostschutz: yes, people would log in as user and then su. |
| 11:21.30 | julianoliver | i'd edit /etc/ssh/sshd_config to disallow root login. |
| 11:22.27 | hideo | disallow password based authentication as well |
| 11:22.43 | julianoliver | use keys instead? |
| 11:22.58 | frostschutz | if your users know how to use keys, it's definitely the better choice |
| 11:23.00 | hideo | yes, if you're paranoid |
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| 11:23.24 | frostschutz | if they lose their key, not ;) |
| 11:23.25 | julianoliver | hideo: just because i /am/ paranoid doesn't mean that they're not out to get me. |
| 11:23.42 | hideo | yes and what frostschutz said too |
| 11:23.52 | hideo | if you loose the key, anyone with it can log it |
| 11:24.12 | frostschutz | well, only if they were stupid enough to make a key without passphrase, but yeah |
| 11:24.23 | frostschutz | either way, giving users access is a matter of trust |
| 11:24.23 | julianoliver | frostschutz: hehe indeed. i worry about the fact that a few of us like to use our phones as SSH clients when on the road! |
| 11:24.47 | frostschutz | don't give root to people who don't know how to use it properly |
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| 11:25.23 | julianoliver | frostschutz: yes, well all 5 are friends from a way back and are pretty capable users and admins of debian-based OSs. |
| 11:25.25 | frostschutz | depends on the client I guess but usually ssh clients do support it |
| 11:25.59 | julianoliver | i use keys on my laptop and workstations to administer my servers but not on my N900 (phone). |
| 11:26.27 | frostschutz | you can use multiple keys, so give the phone a separate key, so you can just disable that keys access, should you lose your phone |
| 11:26.30 | julianoliver | when logging into my servers from my N900 i simply use passwords and then 'su'. |
| 11:26.38 | julianoliver | frostschutz: yes, this is a good thought. |
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| 11:27.17 | obcecado | and what keeps your from using rsa-keys from your n900 ? |
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| 11:27.28 | obcecado | you can also password protect your keys file |
| 11:27.30 | julianoliver | obcecado: i've lost a few phones.. |
| 11:27.42 | julianoliver | obcecado: that defeats the point a little no? |
| 11:27.57 | obcecado | not in my opinion |
| 11:28.24 | lk | obcecado, you mean by using a passphrase with the key? |
| 11:28.26 | obcecado | i prefer typing a 10 pw, to connect to my password disabled servers |
| 11:28.33 | petern_ | Lose your phone, disable its key |
| 11:28.35 | obcecado | using rsa keys |
| 11:28.46 | petern_ | Password logins should be disabled. |
| 11:28.57 | petern_ | (As should root logins) |
| 11:29.24 | obcecado | if you *really* need a password less rsa-keys file, enable it for a restricted account |
| 11:29.46 | obcecado | i can only think of such use to automate file backups |
| 11:30.50 | julianoliver | ok. after talking about this with you all i think the way to go is 1/ no sudo, 2/ no root SSH login, 3/ use key-only login |
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| 11:31.21 | obcecado | oh, and n900 sure is a hell of a phone, im pretty happy with it :-] |
| 11:31.28 | petern_ | and don't give users root access just because they're used to it ;p |
| 11:31.48 | julianoliver | obcecado: isn't it great! a laptop in the pocket.. |
| 11:31.51 | petern_ | log remotely |
| 11:31.54 | lk | julianoliver, I like (1) and (2). (3) is a little too much for me. |
| 11:32.09 | hideo | can you install debian on the n900 ? |
| 11:32.19 | obcecado | chrooted, yes you can |
| 11:32.41 | babilen | hideo: AFAIR n900 OS is debian based |
| 11:32.47 | babilen | or even plain debian |
| 11:32.52 | julianoliver | lk: why? it's just a case of 'ssh-agent bash'; 'ssh-add <passphrase>' and you're good to go with that shell. |
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| 11:33.07 | hideo | oh good to know |
| 11:33.26 | lk | julianoliver, because then they can't log into the server from anywhere. But then again, it depends on your use. |
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| 11:33.39 | julianoliver | hideo: it's so close to stock Debian in the ways that matter for daily use, installing Debian itself may not be worth it for any reason other than the challenge.. |
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| 11:34.03 | hideo | so does it use debian's repos? |
| 11:34.03 | julianoliver | lk: all 5 of us travel at least 1 week a month. |
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| 11:34.13 | julianoliver | hideo: no. |
| 11:34.22 | hideo | I mean, how trust worthy is the provided OS? |
| 11:34.41 | petern_ | lk, that's why you keep your keys with on |
| 11:35.02 | julianoliver | hideo: i doubt it has the same strict security policy as Debian but it's a phone, not a workstation or server, so it doesn't matter /quite/ as much. |
| 11:35.37 | petern_ | lk, that's why you keep your keys with you (oops) |
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| 11:38.49 | cga | hi all, i installed ruby enterprise edition from source in /usr/local , i have gem and ruby in /usr/local/bin and that path in $PATH but if i issue gem it says command not found. how can i make it work without symlinks please? |
| 11:39.36 | babilen | cga: make sure that /usr/local/bin is in your PATH |
| 11:39.44 | cga | it is |
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| 11:40.05 | babilen | cga: right, you wrote that. What does "which gem" give you? |
| 11:40.09 | cga | PATH = /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin |
| 11:40.23 | cga | this /usr/local/bin/gem |
| 11:40.28 | cga | same for ruby |
| 11:40.30 | nsadmin | what is the exact message you get |
| 11:40.49 | cga | this: -su: /usr/bin/gem: No such file or directory |
| 11:41.03 | babilen | cga: Please paste the output of "echo $PATH" and the exact command+output to a pastebin (http://paste.debian.net) |
| 11:41.09 | cga | ok |
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| 11:42.06 | cga | babilen: nsadmin http://paste.debian.net/73486/ |
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| 11:43.09 | nsadmin | it seems something in /usr/local/bin/gem is trying to call /usr/bin/gem |
| 11:43.42 | xoz | cga: you can link /usr/local/bin/gem to /usr/bin/gem |
| 11:43.43 | cga | oh |
| 11:43.57 | cga | xoz i know but i don't really want to do that |
| 11:44.07 | nsadmin | I woudl think that would get him an infinite recursion |
| 11:44.22 | xoz | cga: are you using su? |
| 11:44.43 | cga | my user to root yes, but then i use root with no su of course |
| 11:44.47 | abrotman | he could try specifying the full path the binary |
| 11:44.57 | babilen | Rather fix the script and file a bug with upstream explaining that --prefix=/usr/local installations do not work properly |
| 11:45.19 | nsadmin | that's a good idea abrotman |
| 11:45.29 | xoz | cga: in using gem, you use su? |
| 11:45.40 | cga | xoz: nope. |
| 11:45.55 | babilen | cga: Does the same happen if you call gem with an absolute path? or is /usr/bin/gem hardcoded somewhere in /usr/local/bin/gem (and whatever script is called from that) ? |
| 11:46.05 | cga | babilen: trying |
| 11:46.11 | xoz | cga: which gem... does it point to correct gem? |
| 11:46.19 | babilen | xoz: yes it does |
| 11:46.27 | cga | babilen: it works fine with absolute path |
| 11:46.37 | nsadmin | cga: did you ever have the debian ruby package? |
| 11:46.38 | cga | xoz: which gem? |
| 11:47.18 | abrotman | cga: 'strace gem list' .. in a pastebin ? |
| 11:47.18 | xoz | cga: type that command |
| 11:47.18 | cga | nsadmin: yes, i uninstalled it all to install REE |
| 11:47.18 | babilen | cga: See the provided paste |
| 11:47.18 | nsadmin | ok, cga, type: hash -r |
| 11:47.20 | cga | hahahaha too many at the same time, can't follow :P |
| 11:47.30 | cga | overwhelmed with help :P |
| 11:47.35 | cga | 1 sec all |
| 11:47.36 | nsadmin | ok, cga, type: hash -r |
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| 11:47.46 | cga | nsadmin: done |
| 11:47.48 | nsadmin | then try gem |
| 11:47.49 | cga | nothing happend |
| 11:47.51 | cga | ok |
| 11:47.54 | Rahim | where can i download Sid cd isos? |
| 11:47.57 | cga | cool it works |
| 11:48.00 | babilen | cga: 1. Try "hash -r" and gem w/o absolute path and if that does not work 2. Paste the strace output |
| 11:48.00 | xoz | !sid |
| 11:48.01 | dpkg | sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. Sid is the destructive kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in; sid is not supported in #debian because sid users should be able to solve their own problems. Sid will never be released. See also <sid faq> <unstable>. |
| 11:48.05 | cga | thanks nsadmin |
| 11:48.11 | xoz | darn |
| 11:48.15 | cga | babilen: it does has -r work |
| 11:48.21 | cga | didn't know this feature |
| 11:48.32 | cga | cool guys thank so much |
| 11:48.34 | xoz | cga: you could have logout and login... |
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| 11:48.40 | nsadmin | it stored the loc of the old gem for ya |
| 11:48.43 | babilen | cga: great - "help hash" might explain the magic :) |
| 11:48.49 | cga | xoz i did souce .bashrc |
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| 11:49.11 | Rahim | suppose i install weekly snapshot os testing and immediately upgrade to Sid, how much would be the download size? |
| 11:49.42 | cga | babilen: nsadmin xoz , thank a lot again, need to go for lunch now. see you later. |
| 11:49.53 | babilen | Rahim: sizeof(netinstall_image) + sizeof(packages_you_install) |
| 11:50.15 | Rahim | 1 GB? |
| 11:50.16 | abrotman | Rahim: that depends on what has been uplodaed this week |
| 11:50.18 | babilen | cga: enjoy your lunch |
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| 11:50.39 | xoz | Rahim: you can check if you dist-upgrade without confirming |
| 11:50.56 | Rahim | all right |
| 11:50.58 | Rahim | thanks |
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| 11:54.26 | taras | what does lenny have instead of gated? quagga? |
| 11:56.21 | JyZyXEL | does -amd64 work with intels x86-64 implementation? |
| 11:56.53 | abrotman | yes |
| 11:56.54 | lk | JyZyXEL, yes. |
| 11:57.25 | JyZyXEL | lol intel must not be very happy to be pushing out -amd64 builds for their drivers ;D |
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| 11:57.51 | lk | taras, good question... I have no idea. Is iproute anything like what you'd use gated for? |
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| 11:58.35 | taras | I need something to experiment with RIP routing |
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| 11:59.31 | lk | I guess quagga, then, but you'll need backports for that on lenny. |
| 11:59.40 | lk | Sleep time for me, ttyl. |
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| 12:00.11 | aibo | hi, how to determine which packet some file belongs to? |
| 12:00.40 | abrotman | aibo: dpkg -S or apt-file |
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| 12:01.02 | Holix | Hey guys! I am pretty new to linux and I decided to switch over. So I picked debian... Most of stuff works for me, except sound.. I downloaded linux drivers from ASUS website, installed them and restarted computer, but sound doesnt work.. I got M2V motherboard. Could anyone help me to fix sound? |
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| 12:01.56 | abrotman | Holix: lspci -nn .. what is the device for your sound card .. also what does 'uname -r' say? |
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| 12:02.44 | Holix | 80:01.0 Audio device [0403]: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT1708/A [Azalia HDAC] (VIA High Definition Audio Controller) [1106:3288] (rev 10) |
| 12:02.55 | Holix | 2.6.26-2-686 |
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| 12:07.36 | Holix | abrotman anything else? |
| 12:08.30 | abrotman | judd: pciid 1106:3288 |
| 12:08.31 | judd | [1106:3288] is 'VT1708/A [Azalia HDAC] (VIA High Definition Audio Controller)' from 'VIA Technologies, Inc.' with kernel module 'snd-hda-intel' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1106:3288 and the out-of-tree 'snd-hda-intel' module. |
| 12:08.40 | abrotman | Holix: did you install alsa-utils ? |
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| 12:08.53 | Holix | yes I did |
| 12:09.12 | Holix | it was inside drivers installation |
| 12:10.46 | MadBlack | Holix: have you checked that all the volumes are not set to zero? |
| 12:10.55 | MadBlack | in alsamixer |
| 12:10.58 | abrotman | !alsa checklist |
| 12:10.58 | dpkg | 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 2) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels & toggle jack sense) 3) arts or esound stopped? 4) OSS modules unloaded? 5) speakers on? 6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 7) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. See also <list alsa users>. |
| 12:11.15 | Holix | hmm, I added myself to audio group |
| 12:11.19 | Holix | but didnt log out |
| 12:11.20 | Holix | second |
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| 12:12.40 | eviltoaster | anyone using spotify and dwm? |
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| 12:13.23 | Holix_ | holix@holixbox:~$ alsamixer alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory |
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| 12:19.57 | MadBlack | Holix_: I do not think there was need to download alsa driver from asus site |
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| 12:21.30 | Holix_ | so what to do now |
| 12:23.04 | abrotman | does sound work for root ? |
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| 12:23.34 | Holix_ | I get same error if I run 'alsamixer' as root |
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| 12:25.07 | MadBlack | try "aplay -l" |
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| 12:25.58 | Holix_ | aplay: device_list:207: no soundcards found... |
| 12:26.13 | abrotman | he may need the kernel from backports.org |
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| 12:27.56 | Holix_ | I can try to get alsa drivers from offical website |
| 12:28.51 | abrotman | that's not what i said .. |
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| 12:30.23 | Holix_ | I know, but as MadBlack said that there was no need to download alsa driver from asus site, maybe drivers from offical website would help me.. but thats just my though.. I appreciate your help.. so you say that I should use kernel from backports.org? |
| 12:30.45 | JyZyXEL | asus has linux audio drivers? :p |
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| 12:31.14 | Holix_ | yea |
| 12:31.26 | JyZyXEL | ha this i must see |
| 12:31.26 | MadBlack | sure that the driver installation is successful? |
| 12:31.53 | MadBlack | he downloaded alsa driver from asus site |
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| 12:32.45 | Holix_ | when installation was done, it said that it was successful |
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| 12:33.22 | MadBlack | you did automativ install? |
| 12:33.28 | MadBlack | *automatic |
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| 12:33.33 | Holix_ | yes |
| 12:34.32 | JyZyXEL | asus in their site doesn't even let you select linux as your operating system |
| 12:35.08 | dupondje | how can I set the mac address of a bridge ? |
| 12:35.20 | tuntis | http://support.asus.com/download/download.aspx?modelname=M2V&SLanguage=en-us |
| 12:35.31 | abrotman | MadBlack: /msg dpkg bpo .. follow the instructions there, then install 'aptitude -t lenny-backports install linux-image-686' |
| 12:35.36 | JyZyXEL | oh that one does |
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| 12:38.37 | JyZyXEL | if the alsa in debian isn't new enough to support your chip its probably just best to get a newer one from backports |
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| 12:41.55 | aibo | is apt-get install --reinstall changes old files to new ones if they exists? |
| 12:42.16 | abrotman | depends on the file in question |
| 12:42.26 | aibo | i need to reinstall coreutils |
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| 12:42.50 | aibo | can I be sured that everything was changed? |
| 12:42.50 | abrotman | yes .. which file do you want to have replaced? |
| 12:43.02 | aibo | ls...etc. |
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| 12:43.32 | abrotman | okay .. so reinstall it .. if you want to verify it, you can try the debsums package |
| 12:45.04 | aibo | okay. thans |
| 12:45.08 | aibo | *thanks |
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| 12:48.16 | Devil_Kin | hey folks.. quick question. just installed lenny on a vps, installed mysql-server-5.0, but it doesn't create a root user in the database (checked with --skip-grant-tables), only user in it is the debian-maint user... |
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| 12:50.27 | abrotman | Devil_Kin: i believe the default is to allow any user on the localhost ? |
| 12:50.39 | Devil_Kin | abrotman: unfortunately not no |
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| 12:55.38 | acwn | Does anybody know what "Compatibility levels before 5 are deprecated" means during a dpkg-buildpackage? I googled for it but i found only other bugreports and logfiles... |
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| 12:56.36 | aburch | acwn: debhelper is unhappy with you. See debhelper(7). |
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| 13:03.25 | acwn | i found it, thanks |
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| 13:09.41 | Jck_true | Can you customize the MOTD when you log in over SSH? |
| 13:09.55 | abrotman | yes |
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| 13:10.17 | abrotman | Jck_true: see /var/run/motd |
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| 13:11.25 | Jck_true | abrotman: There are some commands run too i think... THis install shows Debian version and uptime... my previous install didn't |
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| 13:20.42 | nsadmin | Jck_true the commands might be run as a result of some pam setting |
| 13:22.24 | Jck_true | nsadmin: Allright I'm gonna lookm |
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| 13:23.13 | nsadmin | commands also might be run as a result of a shell initialization script |
| 13:23.52 | abrotman | Jck_true: yes, it does .. what part do you want to change? |
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| 13:25.31 | Jck_true | abrotman: Nothing I was just hoping i could find some way of customizing it for induvidual users |
| 13:26.10 | abrotman | they can put their own stuff in their profile |
| 13:26.26 | Jck_true | I have a few accounts on my server |
| 13:26.43 | Jck_true | Would like to make some log on which port they can use and which permission they got |
| 13:27.24 | Jck_true | What i really just would like is my debian install loading a text file depending on the username |
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| 13:37.36 | sproaty | in a .deb's /rules will it be executing all commands as root? |
| 13:38.04 | wols | debconf? yes unless the debconf script relinquishes priviledges |
| 13:38.27 | wols | or what do you mean exactly? |
| 13:38.52 | valdyn | sproaty: if you are talking about the build script debian/rules, then no |
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| 13:39.17 | babilen | sproaty: Or rather: What are you trying to achieve? Do you know about mentors? If not â /msg dpkg mentors |
| 13:39.33 | sproaty | those are the commands your deb takes to install itself, right? I was having permission denied errors with building my package in launchpad earlier |
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| 13:39.59 | babilen | Debian has launchpad now? ;) |
| 13:40.09 | the-dude | hopes not |
| 13:40.27 | babilen | the-dude: rest assured :) |
| 13:40.39 | sproaty | doesn't really matter now, was just wondering |
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| 13:43.34 | babilen | sproaty: You might want to ask whatever Ubuntu uses to mentor new maintainers (if something like that exist) or a channel for this launchpad thing. |
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| 13:44.07 | sproaty | I was just using launchpad as a way to build my debs; may as well do it on my machine |
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| 13:45.13 | h6w | Question for experienced package managers: If I add a repository in a postinst script, how do I then trigger an apt update? If I go apt-update I get a dpkg conflict, so is there a way to delay the update until after dpkg has finished? |
| 13:46.08 | babilen | sproaty: Well - There is not much *we* can do without more details about the problem you are running into and this is also not the best channel for discussion on Debian packaging |
| 13:46.33 | sproaty | okay, sorry :) |
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| 13:46.39 | h6w | oh, ok. Which channel do package maintainers hang out in? |
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| 13:48.15 | babilen | h6w: #debian-mentors on oftc is a good place, but i don't think that Debian will ever ship packages that modify the sources.list. Take a look at the "at" program .. might be what you want |
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| 13:48.22 | john_someguy | hello. I have a, (maybe a strange question)... but i'm using ubuntu and i'm NOT happy. Is there a way to move over to debian/stable (Lenny), or must I do a complete format-reinstall |
| 13:48.23 | john_someguy | ? |
| 13:48.58 | babilen | john_someguy: You have to install Debian from scratch - you might want to keep your /home (and other applicable) data though .. |
| 13:49.06 | h6w | babilen: Great, thanks! |
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| 13:49.16 | wols | john_someguy: reinstall, sorry. you can keep your /homes directory tho of course |
| 13:49.48 | john_someguy | babilen: crap! it's because all hardware, with hotplug, and all is working.. so I wanted to save some config time. also wireless is finaly up |
| 13:50.01 | john_someguy | wols: hm, ok... that's what i thought :( |
| 13:50.52 | wols | most time for config if knowing how it works. so if you do it a second time, ubuntu or debian, it should be a lot faster to config |
| 13:51.07 | babilen | john_someguy: Sorry :-\ -- If you need help with your hardware let us know. Do you have other means to gain internet access apart from your wireless on the box you are installing Debian on? |
| 13:53.02 | john_someguy | wols: well, yes but i'm quite a newbie when it comes to linux... been using it off and then.. last time i was on linux was 4 years ago, so wanted to give it a go again :) |
| 13:53.35 | john_someguy | babilen: well, its a laptop... so i'd prefer wlan... but i can connect it to the ethernet port |
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| 13:55.21 | babilen | !tell john_someguy about netinst |
| 13:55.21 | wols | for your debian installation we strongly suggest to install via cable LAN and then get WLAN to work. especially when you are new to debian |
| 13:55.26 | wols | what hardware is it? I guess it's a new i3 or such notebook? |
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| 13:55.53 | wols | if it is, use the kmuto installer instead of the normal netinst one /msg dpkg kmuto same if you have a netbook |
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| 13:56.06 | john_someguy | wols: ok i could try that :) no no, its an old R51 IBM thinkpad... 1.6Ghz celeron |
| 13:56.18 | babilen | john_someguy: Just asked to figure out which install image I am going to recommend for you. And you might want to come here after you've installed Debian. Do you have a second computer which you can use to come here or is that laptop the only computer around? |
| 13:57.01 | john_someguy | babilen: I want a gnome desktop, and also some light window manager, so I can run virtualbox :) |
| 13:57.16 | gridbag | whats a good tool that takes 100,000 .ppm frames (15fps for 1 hour), and makes a movie out of that. (any popular format) Also, i have a 1hr long .wav that's the audio. suggestions? |
| 13:57.33 | gridbag | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:57.46 | john_someguy | babilen: I'm afraid this is the only computer... but I could use the linux Mint live cd to boot off :) |
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| 13:58.24 | wols | john_someguy: if you install debian and have a cable ethernet based internet connection, just install "irssi" with "aptitude install irssi" and come here |
| 13:58.48 | wols | no need for evil non debian software :) |
| 13:58.49 | john_someguy | wols: it's a text based chat client? |
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| 13:58.58 | babilen | john_someguy: Yes it is. |
| 13:58.58 | wols | yes |
| 13:59.03 | john_someguy | ok :) |
| 13:59.20 | john_someguy | I wish i knew how to save the Xorg.conf file... but can't find it :S |
| 13:59.30 | john_someguy | since it would be the same? |
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| 14:00.21 | xoz | /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 14:00.23 | wols | john_someguy: /etc/X11/xorg.conf same place on every distro pretty much. however new versions of Xorg don't have a config file by default. it tries to do everything automatically now and sometimes it even works :) |
| 14:00.41 | xoz | hates no xorg.conf |
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| 14:00.48 | john_someguy | wols: that's what I have then, because there is no xorg.conf |
| 14:01.02 | john_someguy | xoz: me too :) |
| 14:01.12 | john_someguy | no way to tell xorg to generate a copy? |
| 14:01.24 | wols | john_someguy: you can make a tar.gz of your /etc if you want so you have various config files backed up |
| 14:01.31 | GNU\colossus | X -configure |
| 14:01.39 | GNU\colossus | @ john_someguy |
| 14:01.52 | wols | john_someguy: not really. X -configure creates one but it doesn't mean that's the same as it uses internally: it asks you stuff to create one instead |
| 14:01.53 | babilen | john_someguy: There are actually a bunch of ways you can proceed. If you use the netinstall image you can choose the "Desktop" task which will install Gnome among *a lot* of other software. A lot of users prefer to build a system with only the packages that they really need and opt for a rather minimal installation. If you want to learn about the Xorg installation/configuration "/msg dpkg install x" "/msg dpkg xorg config lenny" and "/msg dpkg ... |
| 14:01.59 | babilen | ... install gnome" |
| 14:02.01 | john_someguy | wols: yeah, i was thinking of what config files I could need to back up :) |
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| 14:03.12 | john_someguy | GNU\colossus: thanks, will try and see what happens :) |
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| 14:04.20 | john_someguy | babilen: d/l the netinstall as of now :) I want a desktop install, but a slim one... only 512 ram, but I do like the look of gnome, so no light window manager for me :) |
| 14:04.30 | babilen | john_someguy: I would actually suggest to install Debian without the desktop task, install irssi and come here. (use /server irc.freenode.org and /join #debian to do so) |
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| 14:04.40 | wols | !install gnome |
| 14:04.40 | dpkg | To install GNOME on sarge or later, install the 'gnome' package to install everything, the 'gnome-desktop-environment' package for slightly less stuff, or the 'gnome-core' package for even less. You will need X installed as well, ask me about <install x>. http://wiki.debian.org/Gnome |
| 14:04.51 | john_someguy | babilen: oh ok :) will try hat |
| 14:04.54 | john_someguy | err, that |
| 14:04.56 | wols | john_someguy: so even with gnome, you can pick and choose |
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| 14:05.28 | xoz | suggest *box window manager variants |
| 14:05.28 | babilen | john_someguy: The "Desktop" task installs the "gnome" metapackage IRC |
| 14:05.48 | nsadmin | if you can get just the base installed, then install irssi, you should be able to come back here if the install sees your net and configures it |
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| 14:05.57 | wols | tasksel is evil |
| 14:06.26 | john_someguy | wols: yeah :) The thing i got me stuble on was, wich to use.. udev/hal/hotplug or some other... since i really like when adding a USB-stick, it automounts and if its NTFS on it, I will auto have write access to it :) |
| 14:06.28 | Bushmills | john_someguy: xfce4 looks rather gnomish, and is smaller |
| 14:06.31 | babilen | john_someguy: You might also want to take a look at LXDE and/or XFCE ... |
| 14:06.38 | xoz | although tasksel is useful: like for science, math, bio, stat packages... |
| 14:07.15 | Bushmills | john_someguy: i run it on a 512 MiB RAM machine too, on which gnome was running before |
| 14:07.18 | babilen | john_someguy: Let's work on that later, as the best solution to that problems depends on your choice of DE/WM |
| 14:08.16 | john_someguy | babilen: ah ok... well :) i'll give this a try then. netinstall soon ready (burning) |
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| 14:08.58 | nsadmin | what are you running now? |
| 14:09.08 | john_someguy | me? |
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| 14:09.12 | nsadmin | yeah |
| 14:09.40 | john_someguy | nsadmin: ubuntu-mint... or well, its called Mint only, but its ubuntu with plugins basicly |
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| 14:10.13 | nsadmin | oh ok, if lspci is intalled you could run lspci -nn to get pciids of your network hw |
| 14:10.27 | john_someguy | wait wait :D |
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| 14:10.59 | nsadmin | reason I suggest it, is it would be nice to know if it's supported by the installer |
| 14:10.59 | shiheir | hi. how do i get a list of all alias in my debian box? |
| 14:11.20 | john_someguy | nsadmin: ok got a big list here |
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| 14:11.44 | nsadmin | how do you connect to the net at the moment? |
| 14:11.54 | john_someguy | wlan |
| 14:12.09 | john_someguy | Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 2200BG [Calexico2] |
| 14:12.25 | nsadmin | show the whole line from lspci -nn for it |
| 14:12.39 | babilen | john_someguy: could you paste the line for your ethernet card as well? |
| 14:12.51 | john_someguy | 02:02.0 Network controller [0280]: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 2200BG [Calexico2] Network Connection [8086:4220] (rev 05) |
| 14:13.00 | john_someguy | babilen: sure |
| 14:13.07 | nsadmin | , pciid [8086:4220] |
| 14:13.08 | judd | [8086:4220] is 'PRO/Wireless 2200BG [Calexico2] Network Connection' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel module 'ipw2200' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:4220 http://wiki.debian.org/ipw2200 |
| 14:13.11 | john_someguy | 02:01.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Intel Corporation 82541GI Gigabit Ethernet Controller [8086:1077] |
| 14:13.23 | babilen | ,pciid 8086:1077 |
| 14:13.25 | judd | [8086:1077] is '82541GI Gigabit Ethernet Controller' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel module 'e1000' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:1077 |
| 14:13.44 | babilen | john_someguy: You shouldn't run into problems with that ethernet adaptor |
| 14:13.55 | john_someguy | babilen: ok great :) |
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| 14:14.28 | babilen | john_someguy: I'll leave now and will be back later. Good luck and enjoy your Debian installation. |
| 14:14.31 | nsadmin | got a spare eth cable for the install |
| 14:14.33 | nsadmin | ? |
| 14:14.45 | john_someguy | babilen: thanks a lot :) |
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| 14:14.56 | nsadmin | dunno wireless stuff btw |
| 14:15.00 | john_someguy | nsadmin: yeah i do, so i could start with cable install :) |
| 14:15.27 | shiheir | hi. how do i get a list of all alias in my debian box? |
| 14:15.29 | babilen | you should - life is much easier that way :) |
| 14:15.40 | babilen | shiheir: aliases for what? |
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| 14:15.45 | nsadmin | yeah well I have a wap, but that's all I have |
| 14:16.10 | shiheir | babilen: such as if someone used alias l='ls -la' |
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| 14:16.31 | babilen | shiheir: try 'alias' -- although that will just give the aliases for the current user |
| 14:16.38 | nsadmin | on your own acct? |
| 14:16.47 | zleap | shiheir, if i type alias here, it comes up with 1 item that has been set, i assume that alias with no arguments it will just list them |
| 14:17.08 | babilen | shiheir: no idea how to list *all* aliases defined on your system. Guess you'll have to parse every single file for that to rule out that they are not defined somewhere |
| 14:17.40 | john_someguy | i'm off now to install debian netiso... thanks all for help :) |
| 14:17.44 | john_someguy | later! :) |
| 14:18.14 | nsadmin | good luck |
| 14:18.16 | john_someguy | keep your fingers crossed btw :) |
| 14:18.17 | john_someguy | thanks |
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| 14:18.22 | shiheir | babilen, zleap: ok thanks...! |
| 14:18.39 | zleap | no problem |
| 14:18.46 | aiux | grep alias ~/.bashrc |
| 14:19.13 | babilen | aiux: only if that file does not source an external file in which aliases are defined .. |
| 14:19.34 | abrotman | or just type 'alias' ? |
| 14:19.54 | babilen | abrotman: already mentioned that ... seems to be what shiheir was looking for |
| 14:19.58 | abrotman | ok |
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| 14:21.02 | ritimbaks | Hello. im windows user and want to switch to debian. But there is a lot of CD in the mirror like cd-1 cd-2 cd3.. cd-30 , do i have to download and install all of them :S ? |
| 14:21.38 | DipSwitch | !tell ritimbaks netiso |
| 14:21.41 | aguitel | anyone know "exception" in emesene 1.6.1 mate ? |
| 14:22.22 | DipSwitch | ritimbaks: if the computer you want to install debian on got an internet connection you should download the netiso |
| 14:22.38 | DipSwitch | ritimbaks: then the installer will only download what you need :) |
| 14:22.42 | xoz | ritimbaks: you can download the first cd |
| 14:23.00 | xoz | ritimbaks: and install other packages online |
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| 14:23.09 | ritimbaks | DipSwitch: i dont want to install via net. i want to download whole iso then install it to a computer that hasnt net connection |
| 14:23.20 | xoz | ritimbaks: cd1 then |
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| 14:24.09 | eisregen | hello |
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| 14:24.41 | eisregen | i recently switched from ArchLinux to Debian.. I just need something more stable :) |
| 14:24.58 | ritimbaks | xoz: other CDs are the same with cd-1 or somtething else? |
| 14:25.10 | aguitel | eisregen, arch is not stable? |
| 14:25.22 | eisregen | no, bleeding edge :) |
| 14:25.35 | eisregen | after over one year using arch I'm tired :D |
| 14:26.06 | DipSwitch | ritimbaks: cd1 is a collection of the most used packages cd2 got some less used packages, cd30 got packages which not much people use |
| 14:26.10 | eisregen | however, I've got some problems wirth xv and fglrx |
| 14:26.10 | Bushmills | hehe. after one year with debian stable you will get impatient :) |
| 14:26.15 | eisregen | :D |
| 14:26.25 | eisregen | yeah, I'm running Debian Testing |
| 14:26.40 | DipSwitch | if you download cd1 and maybe cd2 you'll be fine i guess :) |
| 14:26.43 | eisregen | but its table enough |
| 14:27.05 | ritimbaks | DipSwitch: is there a list of which cd has which package? who know what i need? maybe i need a package that cd-14 has :) |
| 14:27.15 | Bushmills | your idea of "stable" may be different from debian's idea of what "stable" means |
| 14:27.21 | eisregen | glxinfo causes a segmentation fault |
| 14:27.39 | eisregen | and videos, played with mplayer, lagges in fullscreen |
| 14:28.21 | Bushmills | possibly a video driver problem, not a distribution problem. what video hardware? |
| 14:28.22 | DipSwitch | ritimbaks: i haz no idea =) |
| 14:28.46 | eisregen | I have a Radeon X1800 GTO |
| 14:29.02 | lord_rob | use free drivers eisregen |
| 14:29.03 | eisregen | xorg -configure faults also |
| 14:29.14 | xoz | ritimbaks: it is based on popularity. most commonly used packages are in 1 |
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| 14:29.18 | Bushmills | using free ATI driver, or proprietary accelerated driver? |
| 14:29.34 | eisregen | for now, I'm running the startx-default |
| 14:29.36 | eisregen | :D |
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| 14:30.24 | eisregen | radeonhd is the free driver? |
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| 14:31.31 | xoz | ritimbaks: http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#search-for-package |
| 14:31.46 | Bushmills | should be free driver for r500 und r600 cards. not sure, i don't have ATI |
| 14:31.52 | ritimbaks | and the latest question :) all do all that CDs have all these components that is required for system to work OR just cd-1 has these requirements and others are just has packages |
| 14:31.52 | ritimbaks | i hope you can undrestand my question =) |
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| 14:32.23 | xoz | ritimbaks: any of them can be used to install the base system |
| 14:33.03 | DipSwitch | ritimbaks: cd1 got the base system with the kernel and all, the rest are just packages |
| 14:33.19 | DipSwitch | ow nvm me ritimbaks listen to xoz :p |
| 14:33.24 | eisregen | hmm, I will make a nopaste of the error when I try Xorg -configure I think there is an error in my system.. there shouldnt follow a segfault |
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| 14:33.30 | ritimbaks | =) |
| 14:33.36 | aguitel | anyone know "exception" in emesene 1.6.1 mate ? |
| 14:33.50 | DipSwitch | aguitel: what kind of exception? |
| 14:34.25 | abrotman | ritimbaks: most just use the netinst, and get the rest from the internet |
| 14:34.36 | aguitel | DipSwitch, you can see there:http://forum.emesene.org/index.php?action=recent |
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| 14:35.24 | ritimbaks | abrotman: i scare that i cant do net install :) which packages does it ask me while installition? |
| 14:35.40 | abrotman | ritimbaks: use a CDRW .. try that first |
| 14:35.57 | eisregen | http://pastie.org/962557 |
| 14:36.09 | eisregen | this is the /var/log/xorg.0.log |
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| 14:36.20 | ritimbaks | abrotman: will it ask me to choose kde or gnome? |
| 14:36.32 | zhxk | where to paste image? |
| 14:36.33 | ritimbaks | while installing debian with net inst |
| 14:36.35 | janic00 | hello |
| 14:36.43 | DipSwitch | zhxk: what image? |
| 14:36.50 | zhxk | picture |
| 14:36.52 | abrotman | zhxk: the same damn place we told you two days ago |
| 14:37.01 | DipSwitch | lol |
| 14:37.10 | abrotman | ritimbaks: none of the install images will .. you can ask us what command to use |
| 14:37.16 | zhxk | sorry, i forget |
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| 14:37.21 | zhxk | retell,plese |
| 14:37.24 | abrotman | ritimbaks: they'll only offer you a "Desktop" option, which installs gnome by default |
| 14:37.27 | abrotman | zhxk: google.com |
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| 14:37.32 | zhxk | not work |
| 14:37.45 | abrotman | zhxk: google "image paste site" |
| 14:37.48 | janic00 | i have a problem with my debian server... i make machine time from cat /etc/timezone and from data --set and this time again is old |
| 14:38.23 | janic00 | sorry from my english... |
| 14:38.29 | zhxk | dont work |
| 14:38.47 | abrotman | google doesn't work ? |
| 14:38.57 | ritimbaks | abrotman: well, i like gnome too :) SO i will download 180 mb net install iso |
| 14:39.16 | zhxk | !paste |
| 14:39.16 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>. |
| 14:39.35 | janic00 | thanks |
| 14:39.37 | janic00 | sorry |
| 14:40.05 | abrotman | janic00: the time is old ? |
| 14:40.28 | janic00 | is 3hours back from my time now |
| 14:40.47 | janic00 | has time from berlin |
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| 14:41.25 | abrotman | janic00: grep UTC /etc/default/rcS |
| 14:41.36 | Wessly | janic00: first cat /etc/timezone after that choose timezone after that dpkg-reconfigure tzdata |
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| 14:41.51 | janic00 | yes this make |
| 14:42.11 | abrotman | janic00: grep UTC /etc/default/rcS |
| 14:42.18 | janic00 | from cat /etc/timezone and delete derlin and put athens |
| 14:42.28 | Wessly | tzconfig? |
| 14:43.27 | janic00 | yes |
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| 14:43.59 | eisregen | isnt anyone here with some advice? I do not understand the error in the log file |
| 14:44.00 | abrotman | janic00: what is the result of what i asked you ? |
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| 14:44.29 | janic00 | i want make machine time |
| 14:44.31 | janic00 | ok... |
| 14:44.37 | pmurias | how can i uninstall a package without removing it's automatically installed dependencies? |
| 14:44.42 | janic00 | is 3 time back from my time now |
| 14:44.44 | zhxk | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:45.09 | wols | pmurias: you can use dpkg for that but you cannot use aptitude anymore after that until you fix that dependency problem |
| 14:45.20 | janic00 | this command grep UTC /etc/default/rcS write this UTC=yes |
| 14:45.37 | abrotman | janic00: you probably want that to be 'no' |
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| 14:45.46 | DipSwitch | pmurias: dpkg -r PACKAGENAME |
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| 14:46.06 | pmurias | wols: DipSwitch will that break aptitude? |
| 14:46.06 | abrotman | zhxk: you've been silenced for 10 minutes for being offtopic .. again |
| 14:46.31 | pmurias | as in make aptitude remove the packages which it wrongly assumes are no longer needed |
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| 14:46.35 | pmurias | ? |
| 14:47.22 | DipSwitch | pmurias: don't know really :( |
| 14:47.51 | DipSwitch | i don't use aptitude |
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| 14:48.29 | janic00 | I want to change my timezone in debian from terminal and i dont remember the command with ncurses interface |
| 14:48.42 | Wessly | did you use google? |
| 14:48.46 | janic00 | yes |
| 14:48.47 | DipSwitch | janic00: sudo dpkg-reconfigure tzdata |
| 14:48.56 | Wessly | yes i told him already |
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| 14:49.59 | janic00 | thanks |
| 14:50.16 | gelpg | hi, I made a custom kernel with make-kpkg, the compilation is good, what else shall I do after dpkg -i ? |
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| 14:52.07 | xoz | gelpg: check if /boot/grub/menu.lst reflect the changes |
| 14:52.17 | gelpg | it appears |
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| 14:52.41 | gelpg | what I miss is initrd.img |
| 14:52.50 | xoz | gelpg: then reboot... make sure you still have the old kernel in your menu.lst just in case |
| 14:52.58 | gelpg | i have |
| 14:53.02 | abrotman | gelpg: did you pass it hte --initrd option ?> |
| 14:53.25 | gelpg | abrotman: nope |
| 14:53.51 | gelpg | abrotman: I have to recompile or I can make the initrd image after it? |
| 14:54.08 | wols | gelpg: recompile |
| 14:54.26 | xoz | gelpg: it should be fast because all object files are still there |
| 14:54.34 | DipSwitch | gelpg: sudo mkinitramfs -o /boot/initrd.img KNERELNUMBER |
| 14:55.08 | nsadmin | KENNELNUMBER? |
| 14:55.36 | abrotman | DipSwitch: thouhg it wouldn't be part of the package then ... |
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| 14:55.50 | DipSwitch | abrotman: guess it isn't no :) |
| 14:55.56 | lindi- | initrd never is part of the package |
| 14:56.16 | abrotman | lindi-: it's removed in the postinst ? |
| 14:56.18 | nsadmin | it's generated by installing .debs that were made with --initrd |
| 14:56.24 | lindi- | abrotman: it's generated in installation |
| 14:56.30 | abrotman | lindi-: but they are removed .. |
| 14:56.41 | abrotman | i thought there was one in the package, which was reconfigured when the pckage was installed |
| 14:56.42 | nsadmin | hopefully :) |
| 14:56.48 | xoz | created on the fly and removed |
| 14:57.07 | nsadmin | yeah, the modules are in the package but the initrd is autogenerated |
| 14:57.08 | xoz | it checks what modules are included and which modules are static |
| 14:57.23 | nsadmin | it;s trying to figure out how to mount / |
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| 14:58.01 | abrotman | yes, it is removed in the postrm .. yay |
| 14:58.06 | nsadmin | and including modules into initrd that hopefully support that |
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| 15:01.02 | xoz | it used to be that building kernel with initrd is a hit and miss thing because of mount / problem if the kernel is not configured properly |
| 15:01.33 | xoz | and may still be a hit and miss for the inexperienced... |
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| 15:01.49 | badzo | hello. installation of ubuntu destroyed my debian lenny :( |
| 15:01.55 | xoz | haha |
| 15:02.16 | xoz | maybe just the menu.lst? |
| 15:02.21 | badzo | the files are where they were, but i am not abble to boot. |
| 15:02.32 | xoz | yep, just the grub menu |
| 15:02.41 | badzo | it's grub 2 |
| 15:02.47 | badzo | so there isnt grub menu |
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| 15:03.17 | DipSwitch | badzo: there is |
| 15:03.17 | badzo | ubuntu should detect it automayically |
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| 15:03.29 | xoz | badzo: the grub menu should reflect the location of your lenny |
| 15:03.30 | DipSwitch | badzo: check /etc/defaults/grub |
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| 15:04.17 | xoz | badzo: in theory, grub should detect other OS |
| 15:04.23 | badzo | DipSwitch: there is no menu etries |
| 15:04.31 | action09 | oy |
| 15:04.38 | xoz | badzo: /boot/grub/menu.lst? |
| 15:04.43 | DipSwitch | badzo: you maybe also need to change some scripts in /etc/grub.d/ on top of my head 30_os-prober |
| 15:05.02 | kurkale6ka | Hi, is this the correct line I need to install unrar? deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/unrar lenny non-free |
| 15:05.05 | badzo | i think it is not the problem |
| 15:05.09 | DipSwitch | xoz: i know but ubuntu screwed up with the grub2 scripts ^^ |
| 15:05.48 | DipSwitch | timeout is set to 0 on default so it won't show the grub menu |
| 15:06.03 | badzo | 'update-grub' detects debian, but when booting i get 'mounting /dev.hda6 on /root failed: No such device' |
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| 15:06.32 | DipSwitch | eww |
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| 15:06.41 | badzo | and it detects it as sda5 while trying to mount as hda5 |
| 15:06.49 | badzo | maybe this is a problem |
| 15:06.57 | xoz | badzo: mapping problem |
| 15:07.48 | DipSwitch | you can try to manually edit /boot/grub/grub.cfg |
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| 15:08.27 | badzo | DipSwitch: on the beggining of this file it is written: do not edit this file, it is automatically generated |
| 15:08.30 | badzo | ;P |
| 15:09.15 | DipSwitch | :p but you can check the 10_linux part |
| 15:09.32 | DipSwitch | you might see something wrong there |
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| 15:10.03 | DipSwitch | then you can check /etc/grub.d/10_linux to correct it < this is part of the generation application |
| 15:10.04 | xoz | badzo: are you using the default kernel or did you create a new one? |
| 15:10.20 | badzo | in ubuntu or in debian? |
| 15:10.29 | badzo | both, default |
| 15:11.16 | xoz | badzo: what about you make debian grub as the main thing to boot. |
| 15:11.26 | abrotman | he should probably be asking #ubuntu how to fix ubuntu's grub |
| 15:11.33 | xoz | abrotman: yep |
| 15:11.46 | xoz | otherwise he has to make debian as the main system |
| 15:11.51 | nsadmin | as far as debian's grub you could run update-grub |
| 15:12.03 | badzo | xoz: debian stable's grub cant detect ext4 |
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| 15:12.12 | badzo | as far as i know |
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| 15:12.19 | nsadmin | so don't have /boot be ext4 |
| 15:12.25 | mobidev | hi to all |
| 15:12.27 | abrotman | badzo: then please go to #ubuntu and ask them how to fix their grub to see Debian |
| 15:12.27 | nsadmin | why are you using ext4 anyway? |
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| 15:12.44 | badzo | nsadmin: some say it's faster |
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| 15:12.58 | xoz | badzo: you are way too advance for debian stable. you better ask ubuntu because they are way too advanced relative to here :( |
| 15:13.01 | xoz | :) |
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| 15:13.13 | DipSwitch | it's not tested long enough if you ask me ^^ |
| 15:13.16 | BenBE | Anyone at hand how to start a process every second? |
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| 15:13.31 | DipSwitch | BenBE: man crontab |
| 15:13.34 | nsadmin | I'd write a script to do that |
| 15:13.35 | xoz | badzo: the price of running bleeding edge is bleeding bug |
| 15:13.47 | nsadmin | crontab won't do that |
| 15:14.46 | DipSwitch | hmm true, 1 minute limit forgot ^^ |
| 15:14.49 | abrotman | can't do that |
| 15:15.03 | abrotman | BenBE: you'd run a script at start up that does what you want |
| 15:15.16 | nsadmin | actually you can, but it requires you write the program to do it yourself |
| 15:15.28 | xoz | BenBE: use sleep with loop |
| 15:15.35 | abrotman | nsadmin: then that's not cron doing it ... |
| 15:15.50 | nsadmin | cron can't do that at all anyway |
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| 15:16.48 | kurkale6ka | Hi, is this the correct line I need to install unrar? deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/unrar lenny non-free |
| 15:17.01 | nsadmin | the crontab can't represent any finer than 1 min, and some crond implementations check once every 5 mins |
| 15:17.07 | wildc4rd | afternoon all |
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| 15:17.53 | DipSwitch | kurkale6ka: can't you just use apt-get install unrar? |
| 15:18.26 | abrotman | !why aptitude |
| 15:18.26 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often find a solution where apt-get gives up. It can be used from the command line like apt-get plus an interactive resolver makes it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). |
| 15:18.31 | babilen_ | kurkale6ka: no - use "deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free" - then use "aptitude install unrar" |
| 15:18.45 | kurkale6ka | DipSwitch: I could but I would have to add non-free |
| 15:18.53 | nsadmin | after you aptitude update |
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| 15:19.19 | kurkale6ka | babilen_: I guess it is safe? |
| 15:19.31 | babilen_ | kurkale6ka: What exactly? |
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| 15:20.11 | kurkale6ka | babilen_: I mean then I will have to be carefull about what I install as it can be non-free |
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| 15:20.27 | DipSwitch | abrotman: the only problem with aptitude is that it installs recommended packages as well |
| 15:20.39 | valdyn | DipSwitch: that is configurable |
| 15:20.53 | abrotman | DipSwitch: you can change that |
| 15:21.05 | abrotman | and most people like having the recommends |
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| 15:21.35 | xoz | still hopes that aptitute is as snappy as apt-get |
| 15:21.45 | nsadmin | can a recommend in main point to a package in non-free? |
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| 15:22.08 | babilen | kurkale6ka: Well, you want to install non-free software (unrar) so I don't really see a way to *not* install non-free software. If you don't want it, don't install it :-\ |
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| 15:22.35 | nsadmin | unrar is non-free? I thought just rar was |
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| 15:23.06 | DipSwitch | Package: unrar Section: non-free/utils |
| 15:23.09 | GNU\colossus | nsadmin: nope; both are non-free |
| 15:23.21 | GNU\colossus | nsadmin: you may look at unrar's source though. don't know for sure about rar. |
| 15:23.54 | xoz | !info rar |
| 15:23.55 | dpkg | rar: (Archiver for .rar files), section non-free/utils, is optional. Version: 2:3.9.3-1 (sid), Packaged size: 543 kB, Installed size: 1156 kB |
| 15:24.30 | kurkale6ka | babilen: of course, what I mean is I first tried apt-get install unrar and it didn't work because I don't have non-free in my sources so I understood it was non-free. I will have now to always check what I install because I don't want too much non-free software to be installed |
| 15:24.50 | GNU\colossus | the RAR format really needs to die. |
| 15:25.18 | kurkale6ka | it is already rare :) |
| 15:25.22 | shiheir | hi all. why i got soo many filename~ along with filename in some folders? |
| 15:25.34 | DipSwitch | the scene is still full of rar to bad :( |
| 15:25.45 | babilen | kurkale6ka: Good luck with that ... although it is not a really big problem nowadays |
| 15:25.53 | DipSwitch | shiheir: files with ~ at the end are backup files |
| 15:26.20 | xoz | shiheir: what type? txt? |
| 15:26.27 | DipSwitch | depends on what editor you use, but probably you should check the config of your editor |
| 15:26.31 | kurkale6ka | babilen: cheers |
| 15:26.41 | xoz | vim maybe |
| 15:26.41 | shiheir | some are .dia |
| 15:26.53 | nsadmin | then they're dia backups? |
| 15:27.30 | shiheir | backups? when i did backup ? hehe |
| 15:27.45 | nsadmin | who knows |
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| 15:27.54 | shiheir | ok thanks |
| 15:27.58 | xoz | shiheir: no worry, you can use find command to remove them |
| 15:27.58 | DipSwitch | shiheir: you probably didn't but the file editor you use creates auto backups i guess ;/ |
| 15:27.59 | nsadmin | maybe it was -dia- that did the backup -for- you |
| 15:28.02 | babilen | shiheir: A bunch of editors and programs create backups automagically |
| 15:28.07 | xoz | shiheir: it is automatic maybe from dia |
| 15:28.10 | shiheir | ok |
| 15:28.40 | babilen | shiheir: do you use vim/emacs? |
| 15:28.46 | DipSwitch | wh00t everybody screaming at the same time \o/ of to do the dish bye ^^ |
| 15:28.51 | nsadmin | so how important are these files to you anyway? how would it be if you completely lost them? |
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| 15:29.56 | xoz | shiheir: if you dont need them, find <dir> -iname "*~" -exec rm {} \; .... to remove them |
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| 15:30.17 | shiheir | yea i use vim |
| 15:30.27 | nsadmin | I mean the originals, how would it be if you lost them? |
| 15:30.41 | xoz | shiheir: vim creates also backup |
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| 15:31.29 | nsadmin | given you're not replying at all, I'll assume you wouldn't care if your whole machine blew up... good luck with that :) |
| 15:31.33 | acu | when is squeeze freezing ? |
| 15:31.43 | babilen | acu: in winter |
| 15:31.59 | babilen | acu: "/msg dpkg wwsr" for more information |
| 15:32.06 | acu | babilen: that is almost a joke :) |
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| 15:38.48 | abrotman | acu: that's the best answer |
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| 15:41.54 | Sky[x] | which GCC have debian 5.0 ? |
| 15:42.10 | GNU\colossus | is there a SMTP/IMAp->Web-gateway (a "webmail"-application) in Debian Stable that doesn't require PHP? |
| 15:42.13 | abrotman | Sky[x]: packages.debian.org/gcc .. more than one |
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| 15:43.06 | abrotman | GNU\colossus: there used to be a couple of perl ones .. not sure they still exist |
| 15:43.34 | Bushmills | GNU\colossus: squirrelmail is one of them |
| 15:43.46 | Bushmills | ehm. no php, sorry |
| 15:44.00 | abrotman | and i haven't seen any python webmails in debian |
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| 15:44.48 | GNU\colossus | abrotman, Bushmills: any recommendations that aren't in Debian (yet)? :) |
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| 15:45.06 | abrotman | i'll guess the perl ones are gone because they're dead upstream yet |
| 15:45.09 | abrotman | GNU\colossus: what's wrong with PHP ? |
| 15:45.49 | GNU\colossus | abrotman: just about everything. |
| 15:45.59 | GNU\colossus | I don't want to argue over that now though ;) |
| 15:47.29 | Bushmills | sqwebmail maybe |
| 15:47.29 | abrotman | GNU\colossus: openwebmail ? NFC .. i personally like roundcube (even tohugh it's PHP) |
| 15:47.30 | abrotman | though i'd use the version from backports.org or tarballs |
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| 15:48.32 | badzo | so, i have this problem: i've ruined my grub and i want to take it back. i chroot to debian(or i think i chroot), but then a fdisk -l command doesnt return any result and i cant install grub on /dev/hda or /dev/sda |
| 15:49.07 | Bushmills | badzo: mount proc and mount --bind dev dir to chroot |
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| 15:51.11 | gridbag | what package contains the "convert" ImageMagic command? |
| 15:51.20 | babilen | !tell gridbag about apt-file |
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| 15:58.19 | babilen | gridbag: found it? |
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| 16:03.30 | krb5 | hey guys. Anyone know if (and why not) amanda server/client was compiled with krb5 support enabled? ldd on a few binaries seems to verify it, but no idea how accurate a test that might be. |
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| 16:05.30 | babilen | krb5: Download the source package and take a look at debian/rules - If you want to change that "/msg dpkg package recompile" and install your packages |
| 16:06.11 | krb5 | babilen: yea, kinda figured it was gonna end up being one of those days ;) |
| 16:06.45 | abrotman | the deps should be a pretty good indicator |
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| 16:07.04 | krb5 | debian/etch, debian/lenny nor ubuntu/lucid (distro's im dealing with here) all neglected to compile kerberos support in for some strange reason, even though all the configs mention it. kinda sucks :( |
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| 16:07.46 | lindi- | krb5: file a bug to suggest that if you can't find a reason |
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| 16:08.40 | krb5 | abrotman: Depends: libc6 (>= 2.7-1), libncurses5 (>= 5.6+20071006-3), libreadline5 (>= 5.2), amanda-common (= 1:2.5.2p1-4), mailx sigh :( |
| 16:08.52 | abrotman | the -common perhaps ? |
| 16:09.00 | krb5 | mebe, lemmie look |
| 16:09.09 | babilen | ,depends amanda-common |
| 16:09.12 | judd | amanda-common -- depends: libc6 (>= 2.7-1), libncurses5 (>= 5.6+20071006-3), libreadline5 (>= 5.2), update-inetd, tar (>= 1.12), perl5, mailx, debconf | debconf-2.0, adduser, openbsd-inetd | inet-superserver. |
| 16:09.33 | krb5 | nope, -common doesn't seem to mention it either |
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| 16:11.15 | krb5 | ill probably just end up falling back to ssh for now though. I really don't feel like recompiling and maintaining this package across 2 or 3 distros :) |
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| 16:16.40 | flo` | hi |
| 16:17.28 | krb5 | lindi-: only a guess, but i bet it has something to do with not wanting to pull in kerberos clients in the depends. reasonable I guess. just an inconvienience to people using krb5 network wide that want to standardize on it as much as possible |
| 16:18.21 | krb5 | actually, even then they would probably only need the libs I guess. oh well. ill consider filing a bug report. thanks for the help |
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| 16:24.29 | flo` | hi |
| 16:24.46 | flo` | i have a problem with the suspend to ram mode on my ibm thinkpad x31 |
| 16:25.02 | flo` | sometimes (not always), it doesn't wake up any more |
| 16:25.33 | flo` | i had the impression that loading the wlan-driver reduces the problem (but doesn't solve it), but i dunno :/ |
| 16:25.48 | flo` | can anyone tell me how i can get s2ram working? |
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| 16:28.17 | flo` | i read that switching to a virtual console could help, however not all say that it works |
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| 16:34.03 | xerophyte | does anybody know any mysql schema Graphical visualization tools? |
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| 16:39.07 | theseb | help! bash docs say " &> foo " should redirect stderr AND stdio to file foo. It doesn't seem to work for me?!? (I have bash version 4.1.5.) |
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| 16:40.57 | pbn | Hi, all I get with mpg321 is "Segmentation fault" with every file I try ... any idea ? |
| 16:41.20 | simonrvn | stdin perhaps? |
| 16:41.57 | pbn | This is Debian "testing" |
| 16:42.03 | jhutchins_lt | flo`: Looks like you'll have better luck searching the forums for someone with an x31. You might check the forums for other distros too. |
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| 16:42.23 | pbn | simonrvn: well I type mpg321 then the name of thee file... |
| 16:42.24 | jhutchins_lt | pbn: Congratulations, your test successfully found a problem. |
| 16:42.26 | MadEchidna | hey I know this is an ubuntu problem but I figure apt is apt |
| 16:42.27 | pbn | it used to work... |
| 16:42.28 | MadEchidna | http://paste.ubuntu.com/434447/ |
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| 16:42.36 | simonrvn | pbn: wasn't talking to you |
| 16:42.37 | flo` | jhutchins, well, the formums only say that the problem exists, not how it's solved :( |
| 16:42.42 | pbn | simonrvn: ah sorry |
| 16:42.47 | flo` | well, i'm also asking in ##ibmthinkpad |
| 16:42.51 | simonrvn | pbn: np |
| 16:43.04 | jhutchins_lt | MadEchidna: Ubuntu apt is not Debian apt. Please ask in #ubuntu. |
| 16:43.05 | simonrvn | pbn: strace'd it? |
| 16:43.16 | MadEchidna | hm |
| 16:43.25 | flo` | is there any way to get more information about the wakeup? |
| 16:43.31 | Devil_Kin | .match steve |
| 16:43.37 | Devil_Kin | sorry, wrong window. |
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| 16:43.40 | pbn | simonrvn: ah, good idea |
| 16:43.40 | flo` | any logfiles? (sometimes it wakes up, but shows graphic errors then) |
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| 16:44.20 | bodom | Hi! I'm testing a debian OpenVZ VPS. I have no kernel, no swap, no ability to create loopback devices as root, an many other strange issues. Is this normal? I'm a bit confused |
| 16:45.04 | pbn | rt_sigaction(SIGINT, {SIG_DFL, [INT], SA_RESTART}, {0x804a800, [INT], SA_RESTART}, 8) = 0 |
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| 16:45.07 | pbn | --- SIGSEGV (Segmentation fault) @ 0 (0) --- |
| 16:45.09 | pbn | ... ouch :( |
| 16:45.13 | jhutchins_lt | flo`: dmesg might have something, but you'd have to be able to get at it after a failure. Can you reach the machine via ssh when it's locked up? |
| 16:45.28 | pbn | what's rt ? realtime ? |
| 16:45.32 | simonrvn | pbn: well, that's obvious, but now try with catchsegv |
| 16:45.46 | flo` | jhutchins, i would have to try that later. atm i'm over wlan... |
| 16:45.59 | jhutchins_lt | pbn: realtime or runtime. |
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| 16:46.25 | simonrvn | pbn: was kind hoping the cause of the segv would be higher up. but it's not always obvious or shown |
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| 16:46.38 | simonrvn | would be shown higher* |
| 16:46.42 | flo` | well, i'll do some more suspend cycles... |
| 16:46.44 | flo` | bye |
| 16:48.22 | russian_ulysses | hallo :) Got following nasty issue: sometimes suddenly my cursor becomes very big, as if to be used by near-blind person. I can revert cursor to normal size only by reboot, restart of GDM doesn't help. I use mostly up-to-date Squeeze & fglrx. |
| 16:48.52 | russian_ulysses | cursor == mouse pointer |
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| 16:50.06 | jhutchins_lt | russian_ulysses: Do you have the usability package installed? |
| 16:50.25 | jhutchins_lt | russian_ulysses: Gnome? |
| 16:50.46 | russian_ulysses | jhutchins_lt what's the name of that package. Yes, gnome |
| 16:51.09 | jhutchins_lt | russian_ulysses: Sorry, for gnome I don't know. |
| 16:51.35 | russian_ulysses | jhutchins_lt still what is the name of package? |
| 16:51.40 | jhutchins_lt | I uninstalled the kde usability extensions so I wouldn't keep accidentally turning them on. |
| 16:52.33 | jhutchins_lt | russian_ulysses: Possibly gnome-accessibility |
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| 16:52.56 | jhutchins_lt | russian_ulysses: I'm going on the theory that this is a "feature" you're accidentally turning on, not an actual bug, I may be wrong. |
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| 16:54.14 | simonrvn | (i wouldn't call it nasty either, 'annoying' perhaps) |
| 16:54.31 | tuv | where is LC_ALL typically set? |
| 16:54.51 | simonrvn | it's not usually set |
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| 16:55.34 | tuv | simonrvn: well how do i stop perl from complaining about it not being set? |
| 16:55.48 | simonrvn | set up your locale(s) |
| 16:55.52 | simonrvn | !locale |
| 16:55.53 | dpkg | i heard locale is a set of rules for presenting information to humans according to local conventions (date format, thousands separators, language, etc.). See http://wiki.debian.org/Locale and http://mywiki.wooledge.org/locale for more info. <locales> |
| 16:55.56 | simonrvn | !locales |
| 16:55.56 | dpkg | Use `dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates locale definitions and also edits /etc/default/locale which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time. Use "LANG=C command" to change the output language for a one off command; ask me about <localised errors>. http://wiki.debian.org/Locale |
| 16:56.00 | tuv | simonrvn: they are set. LANG is set too |
| 16:57.20 | simonrvn | with dpkg-reconfigure locales ? |
| 16:57.42 | tuv | simonrvn: yes |
| 16:57.50 | simonrvn | /etc/environment /etc/local.gen ? |
| 16:58.07 | simonrvn | what's `locale' say? |
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| 17:00.15 | tonytraductor | my sd cards from my phone and camera were automounting just days ago, and now, suddenly they are not. I managed to manually mount the camera card, earlier, but it seems I am unable to do so with the phone card |
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| 17:01.06 | tonytraductor | I don't understand why a) they're not automounting as they were, and b) why I can't mount the phone card (dmesg | tail indicates |
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| 17:02.00 | tonytraductor | yeah. wtf |
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| 17:02.20 | holyquran | what`s happening guys |
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| 17:02.27 | BenBE | DipSwitch Nope, needed more like watch. But Thanks anyway. |
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| 17:03.08 | tonytraductor | why are my sd cards no longer automounting? this is on lenny. I haven't even done updates since the last time they DID automount just during this past week |
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| 17:03.48 | jtpd | is he saying #debian is lazy and ugly? |
| 17:04.02 | B2H4xx | lol |
| 17:04.06 | holyquran | who was that fsfsd nigger? |
| 17:04.33 | jtpd | i'd rather have fsfsd then holyquran |
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| 17:06.21 | tonytraductor | hello |
| 17:06.33 | tonytraductor | my sd cards (camera and phone) are no longer automounting |
| 17:06.41 | bolt | how can I display all packages installed today? |
| 17:06.59 | the-dude | bolt: dpkg --get-selections |
| 17:07.09 | tonytraductor | I mounted the card from my camera this morning, added /dev/sda1 /media/sdcard vfat noauto,user,rw 0 0 to fstab |
| 17:07.23 | bolt | the-dude: i mean newly installed. as in, i installed them today |
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| 17:07.41 | the-dude | bolt: check /var/log/aptitude |
| 17:07.53 | tonytraductor | mounted the camera card fine, but, now trying to mount the card from my phone, and I get FAT: bogus number of reserved sectors and VFS: Can't find a valid FAT filesystem on dev sda1. |
| 17:08.07 | bolt | the-dude: ah. sweet! |
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| 17:08.29 | tonytraductor | they're both sd cards, the one from the phone (LGEnv3) is a mini card |
| 17:08.37 | tonytraductor | trying to mount both from the same card reader |
| 17:08.42 | tuv | simonrvn: my bad. looks like all is well |
| 17:08.49 | Bushmills | tonytraductor: try diskinfo on partition+ |
| 17:08.59 | tonytraductor | which partition? |
| 17:09.04 | Bushmills | sda1 |
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| 17:09.24 | tonytraductor | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:10.16 | Bushmills | tonytraductor: man aptitude |
| 17:10.25 | Caelum | is the GTK gvim supposed to antialias fonts? |
| 17:10.34 | tonytraductor | why would I be doing man aptitude. aptitude is working fin |
| 17:10.56 | tonytraductor | df /dev/sda1 gives me udev 10240 868 9372 9% /dev |
| 17:11.06 | Bushmills | it tells you how you can install stuff which you haven't got |
| 17:11.21 | tonytraductor | apt-cache search diskinfo shows nothing to install |
| 17:11.27 | tonytraductor | I know how to install stuff |
| 17:11.53 | Bushmills | oops. my bad. disktype i meant |
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| 17:12.03 | tonytraductor | the questions are 1) why are my sd cards no longer automounting, 2) why can I manually mount the camera card, but not the phone card? |
| 17:12.08 | tonytraductor | oh ok |
| 17:12.41 | tonytraductor | possibly the phone card is not fat? |
| 17:12.53 | Bushmills | you'll find out with disktype |
| 17:13.16 | tonytraductor | disktype /dev/sda1 (with phone sd card) gives Block device, size 968.6 MiB (1015680512 bytes) |
| 17:13.38 | Bushmills | anything else, with "file system"? |
| 17:13.47 | tonytraductor | doesn't mention an fs, no |
| 17:13.59 | Bushmills | not a FAT volume then |
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| 17:14.08 | tonytraductor | but df says the filesystem is udev....aha, not fat |
| 17:14.14 | tonytraductor | one moment, going to edit fstab |
| 17:14.22 | Bushmills | seems no known file system at all |
| 17:15.00 | Bushmills | try on /dev/sda |
| 17:15.03 | tonytraductor | what do I put in fstab if df says udev? udf? |
| 17:15.33 | tonytraductor | I'm really curious as to why these cards aren't simply automounting, as they were just days ago |
| 17:16.05 | Bushmills | right now it appears that there is no partition with a file system which can be automounted |
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| 17:17.13 | tonytraductor | but there is a card in the reader. it mounted my camera card fine just an hour ago |
| 17:17.27 | tonytraductor | the phone card is the same type. |
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| 17:17.47 | flo` | hi |
| 17:17.51 | flo` | pm-suspend fails, s2ram works. how can i make s2ram default? |
| 17:18.03 | Bushmills | having to choose between "it worked fine an hour ago" and "diskinfo doesn't show a file system", i tend to go with the latter |
| 17:18.07 | tonytraductor | I didn't make changes to fstab since the last time these cards mounted, prior to them not mounting this morning (have added an entry since this morning) |
| 17:18.24 | tonytraductor | diskinfo? |
| 17:18.33 | Bushmills | disktype ... |
| 17:18.42 | holyquran | Praise be to Allah, Who hath sent to His Servant the Book, and hath allowed therein no Crookedness: (He hath made it) Straight (and Clear) in order that He may warn (the godless) of a terrible Punishment from Him, and that He may give Glad Tidings to the Believers who work righteous deeds, that they shall have a goodly Reward. Wherein they shall remain forever: further, that He may warn those (also) who say, "Allah hath begotten a son": No knowledge |
| 17:18.43 | holyquran | have they of such a thing, nor had their fathers. It is a grievous thing that issues from their mouths as a saying. What they say is nothing but falsehood! (Quran 18:1-5) |
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| 17:19.16 | tonytraductor | okay, switched cards, the camera card mounts |
| 17:19.18 | Bushmills | what do they say, "science flies you to the moon, religion flies you into buildings" |
| 17:19.58 | tonytraductor | disktype on the camera card gifves: FAT16 file system (hints score 5 of 5) Volume size 968.4 MiB (1015414784 bytes, 61976 clusters of 16 KiB) Volume name "CANON_DC" |
| 17:20.13 | Bushmills | looks like there is a difference there, right? |
| 17:20.17 | tonytraductor | both of these cards were automounting with no intervention on my part less than a week ago |
| 17:20.38 | tonytraductor | yeah, because disktype for the phone card only gives Block device and the size |
| 17:20.54 | tonytraductor | but both cards were automounting less than a week ago |
| 17:21.03 | Bushmills | thus? |
| 17:21.34 | tonytraductor | apparently the phone card is not vfat |
| 17:21.34 | Bushmills | disktype lies when it doesn't report a file system? |
| 17:21.49 | Bushmills | so automounting should work fine then if it has one |
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| 17:21.53 | tonytraductor | there must be some filesystem on the card |
| 17:21.59 | tonytraductor | but neither card is automounting now |
| 17:22.11 | Bushmills | ok. ignore evidence, try to automount it again |
| 17:22.22 | tonytraductor | so, I'm trying to manually mount, which works with the camera card, but now with the phone card |
| 17:22.26 | Bushmills | maybe if you try long enough, eventually it will |
| 17:22.47 | tonytraductor | I stick the card in, and nothing happens. when automoun was working, I'd stick the card in, and it would mount, automagically... |
| 17:23.19 | Bushmills | there is some chance that the file system go corrupted |
| 17:23.23 | tonytraductor | also, pcmanfm would show the card, as soon as I plugged it in, before, but not now |
| 17:23.30 | tonytraductor | the card is working in the phone without issue |
| 17:23.41 | tonytraductor | I haven't done anything with it I wasn't doing a week ago |
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| 17:24.30 | tonytraductor | nothing seems to be automounting anymore (usb devices, too) |
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| 17:26.19 | goose | I'm having issues trying to chown an external hard drive to a user instead of root.. I've created the ~/hdd directory as the user, then added an /etc/fstab entry for it pointing to that folder, but whenever the USB HDD is mounted, that ~/hdd is owned by root, and I can't chown i |
| 17:26.20 | goose | t |
| 17:26.48 | xand | goose: what FS is it you're mounting? |
| 17:27.00 | goose | its FAT32, I have it labeled if fstab as "auto" |
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| 17:28.00 | goose | rather, I'm trying to set an apache2 virtualhost to my /home/goose/hdd so I can share all my pictures with apache, but from the external HDD, not having to copy the massive amount of files over to the computer which may not have room for it |
| 17:28.07 | goose | may seem a little redundant/stupid, but that's what I want to do.. |
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| 17:29.01 | goose | Apache keeps on going on about how I don't have permission to view that directory, though, I think because of this folder ownership thing |
| 17:29.13 | xand | goose: you need to use uid= mount option |
| 17:29.17 | tonytraductor | my usb external hdd is not automounting, either |
| 17:29.20 | tonytraductor | I don't get it |
| 17:29.23 | xand | I think |
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| 17:29.37 | xand | and maybe the gid= one |
| 17:29.59 | king313 | Hi. Which file contains the default DNS server to use? |
| 17:30.08 | goose | alright, I'll try and google those up, thanks for the tip xand |
| 17:30.16 | tonytraductor | and I have so many usb ports, I haven't the slightest idea how to manually mount this external hdd by hand, where it is to mount |
| 17:30.34 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:30.58 | tonytraductor | when I plug something in (usb), how do I know where it is, so I can mount it? |
| 17:31.16 | xand | goose: they're in the mount man page |
| 17:31.25 | tonytraductor | and why is it that all this stuff was automounting last week, and none of it is now? |
| 17:31.34 | babilen | king313: Why do you ask? |
| 17:31.53 | king313 | babilen, I'm learning about DNS |
| 17:32.02 | nsadmin | tonytraductor: what did you do last week |
| 17:32.10 | king313 | I have some virtual machines |
| 17:32.12 | pbn | back, sorry. With catchsegv mpg321 the Backtrace talks about libSegFault.so, libao.so.4 and libmad.so.0 |
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| 17:32.26 | king313 | and I want to know which DNS server each one use and how to modify it |
| 17:32.32 | nsadmin | see, you probably know why, you're just not making the connection atm |
| 17:32.34 | unixp | how was the command to extract rar files with unrar? |
| 17:32.46 | xand | king313: /etc/resolv.conf |
| 17:32.52 | king313 | thanks, xand |
| 17:32.56 | nsadmin | it was just fine until you asked :) |
| 17:32.56 | babilen | king313: well, as nsadmin pointed out, it is /etc/resolv.conf |
| 17:33.00 | tonytraductor | last week, I took photos off the camera card and the phone card. something I have routinely done since, like, forever, and it worked fine |
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| 17:33.10 | xand | dhcp clients will update that if you use them |
| 17:33.12 | king313 | nsadmin, sorry, I've not seen you |
| 17:33.15 | king313 | thanks you too |
| 17:33.22 | tonytraductor | now, nothign is automounting, no the sd card, nor my external usb hdd for backups |
| 17:33.26 | tonytraductor | this is frustrating |
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| 17:33.32 | king313 | they use static ip's |
| 17:33.37 | king313 | i'm working with netkit |
| 17:33.39 | tonytraductor | I didn't do anything that should have changed automounting |
| 17:33.40 | babilen | king313: The easiest way to play with DNS is "dig @ip_of_your_server ..." and you can configure DNS via DHCP |
| 17:33.55 | tonytraductor | it just worked before, not it's not working |
| 17:33.56 | nsadmin | tonytraductor: upgrade anything? |
| 17:34.03 | tonytraductor | not in the last week, no |
| 17:34.12 | nsadmin | rebooted? |
| 17:34.15 | babilen | king313: You can also set DNS servers in /etc/network/interfaces - but it's hard to suggest something without knowing what you are trying to achieve |
| 17:34.24 | tonytraductor | I may have rebooted... |
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| 17:34.30 | tonytraductor | let me check uptime |
| 17:34.39 | nsadmin | was the kernel before and the kernel after the same? |
| 17:34.41 | tonytraductor | nope, I've been up for 28 days |
| 17:35.03 | tonytraductor | why would the kernel change if I a) didn't upgrade anything, and b) didn't reboot? |
| 17:35.09 | nsadmin | true |
| 17:35.20 | nsadmin | what dist are you running? |
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| 17:35.59 | king313 | babilen, the /etc/resolv.conf trick works fine |
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| 17:36.49 | king313 | Just trying to emulate a little Internet, with root domains, .com, .net domains and corporations |
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| 17:37.49 | tonytraductor | I'm going to update/upgrade and reboot now and see if anything changes |
| 17:37.49 | babilen | king313: Have fun then :) |
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| 17:38.15 | tonytraductor | nothing to upgrade |
| 17:38.29 | nsadmin | what dist are you running? |
| 17:38.34 | tonytraductor | debian, lenny |
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| 17:39.02 | tonytraductor | there appears to be some conflict with lxsession, but I'm not using lxde, anyway, at the moment, just openbox (no DE, no panels) |
| 17:39.08 | tonytraductor | I was using wmii until a couple of weeks ago |
| 17:39.16 | tonytraductor | I don't imagine that make any differencde |
| 17:39.21 | tonytraductor | brb |
| 17:39.24 | nsadmin | so it's that the phone is connected that you're getting a problem? |
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| 17:40.04 | Rocky_Balboa | Helle Debian! I cannot umount a device, because "device is busy". "fuser /mnt/point" returns without output. Any ideas? |
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| 17:41.00 | purpleoptic | usually cant unmount because your using whatever is mounted |
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| 17:43.03 | Bushmills | Rocky_Balboa: try lsof to find what uses it |
| 17:43.30 | Rocky_Balboa | Bushmills: yupp! that shows up nautilus accessing a file inside that directory. but i dont have a nautilus open. hmm.. .i think i will kill that sucker. |
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| 17:45.21 | Bushmills | may have been his desktop :) |
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| 17:49.59 | xerox1 | hi, are there any restrictions if i want to use ubuntu packages with debian lenny? |
| 17:50.14 | nsadmin | build them from source |
| 17:50.26 | nsadmin | they are very likely to not work otherwise |
| 17:50.36 | babilen | (or bork your system) |
| 17:50.37 | xerox1 | okay, thx nsadmin |
| 17:50.49 | babilen | xerox1: anything in particular you need? |
| 17:50.52 | nsadmin | and they may still bork your system |
| 17:51.36 | xerox1 | babilen, nothing special, only wanted to know if it is a good idea to use them (there are so many around)... |
| 17:51.56 | babilen | xerox1: It is not a good idea |
| 17:52.04 | xerox1 | babilen, thx ;) |
| 17:52.08 | Russell_F36 | stick to aptitude :) |
| 17:52.21 | nsadmin | right, it's not a good idea |
| 17:53.07 | nsadmin | because ubuntu is very separate, they have different goals and therefore different procedures and therefore different engineering standards/conventions |
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| 17:54.20 | xerox1 | i used ubuntu for a while to test it; the only thing i really disliked was the lack of a real rolling release... |
| 17:54.25 | babilen | xerox1: If you need something you can check if that particular package is available in newer debian versions or has been backported (/msg dpkg ssb and /msg dpkg bpo). If it is not available file a RFP bug (/msg dpkg rfp) and install the software locally into /usr/local and use stow (or one of the others) to manage that (/msg dpkg usrlocal and /msg dpkg stow) |
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| 17:56.20 | xerox1 | babilen, okay thx again |
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| 17:57.57 | tonytraductor | oddly, rebooting to kernel 2.6.29-2.686 seems to have resovled my issue with automounting (was on 2.6.26-something) |
| 17:58.00 | tonytraductor | thanks |
| 17:58.04 | tonytraductor | okay...back to work |
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| 18:07.16 | gelpg | hi, I made a custom kernel with make-kpkg --with initrd option, but after installing there is no initrd.img in the /boot directory |
| 18:07.30 | gelpg | after booting, it sais kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0) |
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| 18:07.42 | gelpg | what did I wrong? |
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| 18:08.19 | Chaos|Baghdad | anyone here able to help me with pppoe on debian sid? |
| 18:08.27 | dvs | gelpg: run update-initramfs |
| 18:08.52 | gelpg | dvs: from the /boot directory? |
| 18:08.59 | dvs | gelpg: doesn't matter |
| 18:09.03 | jhutchins_lt | Chaos|Baghdad: What are you testing for? |
| 18:09.04 | dvs | where |
| 18:09.43 | Chaos|Baghdad | jhutchins_lt: I'm not testing for anything, they're using it to connect with the local ISP here and I cna't seem to gt it to work |
| 18:09.58 | jhutchins_lt | Chaos|Baghdad: If you're not testing something why are you running sid? |
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| 18:10.16 | Chaos|Baghdad | jhutchins_lt: I always run sid |
| 18:10.31 | Chaos|Baghdad | jhutchins_lt: I have since 2004 |
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| 18:10.44 | jhutchins_lt | Chaos|Baghdad: How can you tell if it's your software or your configuration if you're running sid? |
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| 18:11.07 | Chaos|Baghdad | jhutchins_lt: what? it's my own laptop, I dist-upgraded to sid in 2004 |
| 18:11.26 | Chaos|Baghdad | I haven't used testing or stable in 6 years |
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| 18:12.00 | Chaos|Baghdad | but that's neither here nor there, my issue is with pppoe, not my distro, I love sid |
| 18:12.12 | HandyGandy | I have a question about the more lightweight window managers. lxde/xfce/enlightenment/Etoile etc. Do they all have virtual desktops? |
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| 18:13.04 | babilen | HandyGandy: The "etc" part might contain some that do not - but virtual desktops are a common feature of window managers in Linux |
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| 18:13.34 | Chaos|Baghdad | I'm using roaring penguin, I've configured support for everything with pppoe in the kernel, I've tested it so if I broadcast the wrong username/pass it fails and if correct it does succeed so it's not bullshitting me, but even after connecting it still shows network traffic but I can't do anytthing, all my packets time out, I lowered the MTU to 1412 to be safe, if I set my nick to promiscuous I can see packets all across th |
| 18:13.43 | babilen | Chaos|Baghdad: It might help if you tell us something about the problem you are facing. You should be aware that sid is not officially supported in this channel. |
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| 18:14.04 | Chaos|Baghdad | babilen: is there a #pppoe? |
| 18:14.45 | Chaos|Baghdad | babilen: would a pppoe mishap not be relatively similar between stable, unstable, and testing? |
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| 18:16.09 | Chaos|Baghdad | babilen: do you have any ideas for something I could go try to get it to work? |
| 18:16.16 | babilen | Chaos|Baghdad: There is no #pppoe channel, but there is ##networking ; yes, which is why I asked you to provide more details about your problem. You might want to paste relevant configuration and error messages you get to a pastebin. If there is nobody around in the channel consider writing to debian-user |
| 18:16.24 | tsocra | Are there any Debian packages for VLC 1.1.0-pre branch? |
| 18:17.09 | LocKey | Hey I suspect I have a problem with udev on a fresh debian testing system. I am trying to get a wificard to work (ath5k module). The module gets loaded but i get no interface. Any ideas or suggestions? :) |
| 18:17.25 | babilen | tsocra: Not in the repositories - not sure if upstream provides some. You could try the method outlined in "/msg dpkg uupdate" |
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| 18:17.57 | Chaos|Baghdad | babilen: if I can't get online with the computer that's having the issues that makes it a bit difficult to post the results thereof onto pastebin, I'm trying to get internet on my computer to work |
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| 18:19.10 | babilen | Chaos|Baghdad: I can understand that, but there is not much we can do if we don't know details about your configuration. I am not a pppoe guru, so I am not sure if I can help you with that. Hence my suggestion to write to debian-user. |
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| 18:20.01 | babilen | LocKey: Just to make sure that ath5k is the correct module for your card - Could you paste the output of "lspci -nn|grep -i network" in here please? |
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| 18:21.06 | oreo | Hey everyone! What do I need to install/configure to be able to just send out emails for notification (cron, monit, etc)? |
| 18:21.14 | babilen | Chaos|Baghdad: Also ##networking might be a good channel for questions like this. |
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| 18:22.00 | Chaos|Baghdad | babilen: I'm there and only one guy isn't idle and he's not too sure on pppoe |
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| 18:22.18 | Chaos|Baghdad | I hate that they choose an archaic fucking protocol to arbitrarily use on several of these FOBs here |
| 18:22.26 | Skeeter- | How can i list fowarded connection via putty |
| 18:22.44 | Skeeter- | or via ssh |
| 18:22.59 | action09 | Skeeter- ps auxww |grep ssh |
| 18:23.01 | babilen | oreo: You most likely have it (exim4) installed already - dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 18:23.07 | Skeeter- | i konw the command is ~#, but im unable to get in ssh mode/console via putty |
| 18:23.24 | oreo | babilen: kinda sucks that there's nothing smaller |
| 18:23.27 | Skeeter- | action09, i got 15 tunnel, i wanna assosiate a hostname or sth via each |
| 18:23.39 | Skeeter- | even an ip |
| 18:23.40 | oreo | babilen: i suppose i need to make 127.0.0.1 relay, and that only |
| 18:24.02 | LocKey | The output is: 06:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Atheros Communications Inc. Atheros AR5001X+ Wireless Network Adapter [168c:0013] (rev 01). There might be typos in the output due to human copy/pasting |
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| 18:24.34 | babilen | oreo: IRC you don't need to do anything - mail to root should already be delivered. You might want to send mail to root to another system user by configuring an appropriate alias in /etc/aliases |
| 18:24.53 | babilen | ,pciid 168c:0013 |
| 18:24.54 | judd | [168c:0013] is 'Atheros AR5001X+ Wireless Network Adapter' from 'Atheros Communications Inc.' with kernel module 'ath5k' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=168c:0013 http://wiki.debian.org/ath5k and the out-of-tree 'ath_pci' module. |
| 18:25.06 | Chaos|Baghdad | how do you check in debian if a tunnel was added to the route table? |
| 18:25.43 | Skeeter- | action09, u got any idea? |
| 18:25.44 | babilen | LocKey: Ok, that is correct. Do you see any errors if you "modprobe -r ath5k && modprobe ath5k && dmesg | tail -n 10" ? |
| 18:25.59 | Chaos|Baghdad | babilen: how do you check in debian if a tunnel was added to the route table? |
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| 18:26.18 | babilen | Chaos|Baghdad: ip route / route |
| 18:26.35 | Chaos|Baghdad | babilen: thanks |
| 18:27.18 | LocKey | no errors. but more than 10 linies of various debug. :/ |
| 18:27.19 | action09 | Skeeter- manually bind it on a specific port and write down port/name, or find option to name sessions in man. Second, search maybe in existing enhanced ssh sessions packages, like clusterssh, autossh |
| 18:27.31 | babilen | LocKey: Related to your wlan card? |
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| 18:27.42 | action09 | Skeeter- good luck :) |
| 18:28.19 | Skeeter- | action09, cant ssh see the tunnel is made to which pub ip it is |
| 18:28.26 | babilen | LocKey: Can you do "ifconfig wlan0 up" ? Do you get any relevant output from "iwconfig" ? (something that confirms that you have a wlan adaptor) |
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| 18:29.15 | Skeeter- | action09, how does ssh knows that when i type : ssh user@laptop. that "laptop" goes to this specific ip? |
| 18:29.50 | LocKey | Yes. seems to be different supported bandwidths etc. And unfortunately I cant do a ifconfig ath0(or wlan0) up since only interface showed by ifconfig is the loopback. :( |
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| 18:30.13 | action09 | Skeeter- laptop is in /etc/hosts |
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| 18:30.38 | babilen | LocKey: Do you see your interface in iwconfig? What is the output of "ifconfig -a" ? |
| 18:30.39 | Skeeter- | action09, it aint, thats the problem |
| 18:31.21 | babilen | LocKey: do you get an error if you try "ifconfig wlan0 up" (or ifconfig ath0 up if applicable) ? |
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| 18:34.01 | Rocky_Balboa | Hello Debian! After I install apache with "apt-get install apache2" I always do "rm -v /etc/rc*.d/*apache*" because I dont want apache to start on startup. Is that cool or crap? |
| 18:34.43 | dvs | Rocky_Balboa: update-rc.d is a better way to do it. |
| 18:34.55 | babilen | Rocky_Balboa: Why don't you use something like rc-update, sysv-rc-conf or rcconf to configure your services/runlevels? |
| 18:34.57 | LocKey | ifconfig -a did the trick. Had to rewrite some configuration changes i made earlier. Thank you so much for helping! |
| 18:35.05 | babilen | Rocky_Balboa: err - update-rc.d |
| 18:35.14 | dvs | babilen: yeah! ;-) |
| 18:35.22 | Rocky_Balboa | babilen: how would i do that? |
| 18:35.40 | Rocky_Balboa | dvs: what is update-rc.d? a script? |
| 18:35.53 | dvs | Rocky_Balboa: a command. |
| 18:36.01 | babilen | Rocky_Balboa: Well "man update-rc.d" will tell you about update-rc.d and the other (more userfriendly ones) are installable with aptitude |
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| 18:36.34 | Rocky_Balboa | hmm.. sounds like my rm line is easier. |
| 18:36.34 | babilen | LocKey: So, it is working now? If so, you might want to read: http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse |
| 18:37.16 | babilen | Rocky_Balboa: It's just symlinks ... |
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| 18:38.12 | LocKey | I went through that one before getting here. But thanks a lot. |
| 18:38.26 | babilen | LocKey: Ah, ok ... enjoy your wireless freedom ;) |
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| 18:38.58 | glick | hi |
| 18:39.02 | babilen | welcome |
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| 18:39.20 | glick | hey does anyone know any good and comprehensive voip solutions that are available for linux? |
| 18:39.37 | glick | i.e. where i can send and recieve faxes internationally and phone calls obviously? |
| 18:39.47 | glick | really, just faxes are important |
| 18:39.48 | maligor | SIP perhaps? |
| 18:39.56 | babilen | glick: You might want to ask in #debian-voip (no idea how busy that channel is though) too |
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| 18:40.43 | babilen | glick: Take a look at asterisk (is quite comprehensive) |
| 18:41.11 | babilen | glick: But it is a BIG program ... |
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| 18:42.01 | babilen | glick: But it is probably what you want, even if you face at least some weeks learning it. |
| 18:42.07 | babilen | !tell glick about asterisk |
| 18:42.08 | glick | babilen, heh im just trying to set up a small homeoffice |
| 18:42.20 | babilen | glick: Ah, so not 1000 clients? |
| 18:42.28 | glick | not a company wide telephony system |
| 18:42.31 | babilen | hehe |
| 18:43.15 | action09 | Skeeter- so the dns servers have an entry for it. try to make a request asking them for "laptop", i.e dig laptop @IP_of_your_DNS |
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| 18:43.56 | Skeeter- | action09, ya, i looked over my openwrt, and since it is local, i get in directly, outside comptuer it doesnt work.. |
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| 18:45.04 | beardy | glick: Yes, Asterisk is what you want. |
| 18:45.37 | beardy | glick: http://www.asteriskdocs.org/ free as in beer book, start reading. |
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| 18:46.36 | babilen | glick: http://pkg-voip.alioth.debian.org/ lists some other - but i still think that asterisk is what you want. And it might even be quite easy to configure for your "small" use case. It's just quite powerful if you need it. Check the docs |
| 18:47.17 | glick | maybe ill just use like popfax or something |
| 18:47.36 | beardy | glick: Don't be overwhelmed by the many and large config files. You need sip.conf, and extensions.conf, empty ones, and a bit of reading the first chapters. |
| 18:47.46 | krunk- | what user does php run under on debian? I tried to echo exec('/usr/bin/whoami'); in a php script, but apache throws a warning sh: /path/to/sites/whoami not found |
| 18:48.00 | beardy | krunk-: apache |
| 18:48.09 | beardy | krunk-: www-data I mean. |
| 18:48.28 | babilen | - a common typo :) |
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| 18:48.54 | beardy | Yeah! |
| 18:49.02 | krunk- | hm, ok that's what I assumed. I have wordpress installed (from source). I've made the plugins, uploads, themes directory owned by the apache group (www-data) with write permissions. but it still fails. is there soem default security measures that are prohibiting this? |
| 18:49.21 | glick | i wish i could get xsane to see my wifi sanner |
| 18:49.23 | glick | scanner |
| 18:49.57 | beardy | krunk-: Have you pointed the documentroot to where you have your stuff? |
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| 18:50.37 | krunk- | beardy: yep, everythign else works. The only way I can get the file uploads to work is to chown -R www-data on the whole wordpress directory |
| 18:51.04 | beardy | krunk-: Is the user owning it www-data too, or just the group? |
| 18:51.05 | horst- | hi there :) |
| 18:51.21 | krunk- | I was trying with just group |
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| 18:51.42 | beardy | krunk-: Give it to the user too. |
| 18:52.03 | beardy | krunk-: You can make it work, but if you're root and the other user, don't bother. |
| 18:52.11 | beardy | s/other/only/ |
| 18:52.13 | glick | has anyone here used sane-net to access network scanners? |
| 18:53.15 | krunk- | nope, ownership by www-data doesn't matter |
| 18:53.46 | krunk- | I think wordpress doesn't throw an error either. so I have no idea why from the logs, it just redirects to a ftp upload page |
| 18:54.44 | beardy | krunk-: And the user has write access to the directory? |
| 18:54.49 | krunk- | yep |
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| 18:56.24 | horst- | i have a problem, my debian doesnt boot anymore like here: http://imgur.com/1f7iK.jpg |
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| 18:57.53 | frostschutz | horst-: did your root filesystem get corrupted somehow? |
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| 18:58.51 | horst- | even when i try with selinux=0 init=/bin/bash i cant do something good: http://imgur.com/c3JIV.jpg |
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| 18:59.26 | frostschutz | horst-: so at least your /lib/libselinux.so.1 file is missing or damaged |
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| 19:00.08 | horst- | okay, thanks frostschutz ... seems like my filesystem is dead :( |
| 19:00.37 | frostschutz | can't be completely dead, otherwise it would not even start bash or /sbin/init |
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| 19:00.51 | frostschutz | but if /lib stuff is missing, lots of programs will fail |
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| 19:01.04 | frostschutz | check it out from a live cd, replace the missing / damaged files |
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| 19:01.21 | frostschutz | could be only libselinux.so.1 if you deleted it yourself by accident... only you would know :P :) |
| 19:01.32 | fat-lobyte | Hello, does anybody know how I disable the crappy "gswitchit-applet" thats polluting my notification area? |
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| 19:02.50 | glick | has anyone had any luck settup up a canon proxma 870 with linux? |
| 19:02.54 | awalm | hi i have a system that just has a very minimal debian install on it an it cant access the internet, i need to install build-essential and i have a flash drive to put the packages on, is there anyway quicker way to get all the packages i need than just following dependancies in packages.debian.org? (its a bit tedious) |
| 19:02.57 | horst- | frostschutz i cant run mount or something because some other libs are failing.. must be a filesystem error |
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| 19:04.11 | fat-lobyte | awalm: there's an option in synaptic that creates scripts downloading the required packages |
| 19:04.12 | horst- | awalm have you debian running on a other system with internet? so you could try http://www.fedorawiki.de/index.php/Apt#apt-get_--download-only |
| 19:04.21 | beardy | awalm: If you have another box that does have internet access you could install it on there, (clean the downloaded packages cache first) and then grab them from there. |
| 19:04.49 | babilen | awalm: Take a look at apt-offline and apt-zip |
| 19:05.07 | awalm | ah, okay, ill look into these things |
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| 19:05.33 | awalm | thanks |
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| 19:06.33 | tsocra | How can I use mkinitramfs to generate a initrd with a specific driver? I need to add the module xenblk |
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| 19:07.21 | xingu | tsocra: iirc it'll scoop up whatever's in /etc/modules |
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| 19:10.35 | babilen | awalm: There is also apt-walkabout - can't tell which of the three is the "best" though |
| 19:12.23 | glick | hey has anyone used popfax service? |
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| 19:13.06 | awalm | babilen, well my laptop (the one with the internet connection) is running fedora... so thats the biggest challenge i think |
| 19:13.37 | awalm | might just install debian in a vm or something on this machine |
| 19:14.51 | babilen | awalm: should work with apt-offline |
| 19:15.11 | babilen | awalm: Read the description of the package |
| 19:15.20 | jhutchins_lt | awalm: There's always the "download the whole DVD" approach. |
| 19:15.50 | babilen | awalm: http://batmat.net/apt-offline/ch3.html + wget should be it |
| 19:16.01 | babilen | jhutchins_lt: hehe :) |
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| 19:16.49 | jhutchins_lt | I don't go quite as far back as "download all the floppies". |
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| 19:17.29 | awalm | babilen, ah, that looks like the way i want it |
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| 19:17.45 | awalm | basically generate a script of wgets to get all the packages i need |
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| 19:17.52 | babilen | awalm: yep |
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| 19:17.57 | awalm | perfect |
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| 19:31.40 | lautriv | is anyone using group-passwords today ? |
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| 19:32.25 | GNU\colossus | I'm not. |
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| 19:33.55 | lautriv | GNU\colossus, that was a fast response :-) i am trying to get some answers since about 12h :-) |
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| 19:38.56 | babilen | lautriv: Not used on any site I saw ... |
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| 19:41.40 | octocpp | what is the smallest debian install without X server or any desktops and added junk, I need to fit a kerberos server on 256 meg or 512 meg. |
| 19:42.30 | jhutchins_lt | octocpp: Don't think you'll manage that with Debian packages, you'll need to go with something like puppy or dsl. |
| 19:42.46 | babilen | octocpp: Take a look at emdedian or dsl (damn small linux) |
| 19:43.56 | octocpp | ok, i guess if dsl has up to date krb5 stuff, that would be the ticket hey :) |
| 19:44.08 | devious | octocpp: If you just do the base install from the netinstall cd (ie unselect everything in tasksel) you'll get a minimal debian system. Not as small as puppy or dsl, but still pretty minimal. |
| 19:45.02 | rudi_s | octocpp: arch linux is also pretty small. |
| 19:45.08 | octocpp | if it can fit on 512meg, that would be great. It would be dedicated to krb5 so it shouldnt get much bigger than the initial inatall |
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| 19:47.43 | jhutchins_lt | octocpp: A standard install with KDE & oo is ~3G. |
| 19:48.05 | octocpp | yea, i dont need Xorg ot any desktop stuff |
| 19:48.50 | octocpp | just kernel, all drivers would be nice, I guess they come in the kernel so no biggy there ? , all of the networking packs and I should be set i think |
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| 19:49.43 | Bushmills | octocpp: a debootstrap installation takes about 200..250 Mb. that's about 120 packages, of which about 20 can be removed easily |
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| 19:54.53 | octocpp | pretty small :) |
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| 19:56.09 | babilen | octocpp: you can also install a minimal debian system from the business card installer/netinstall (don't configure the network) - but debootstrap might be a good idea |
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| 19:56.34 | babilen | octocpp: Have you checked emdebian? |
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| 19:57.26 | octocpp | checking it out now thanks :) |
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| 19:59.26 | viyyer | I am unable to start apache2 on squeeze after installing it . errorlog informs me of a segmentation fault. is this a bug ? |
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| 20:00.08 | rudi_s | viyyer: Looks that way, check Debian's bug tracker (bugs.debian.org) if it's already reported and if not use reportbug to do it. |
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| 20:00.43 | viyyer | rudi_s: hmmm.. maybe I get apache from lenny then :( |
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| 20:01.03 | rudi_s | !tell viyyer about squeeze |
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| 20:01.30 | rudi_s | Normally that's not so simple, there is no downgrading in Debian. |
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| 20:01.53 | viyyer | rudi_s: what is the way out ? |
| 20:02.08 | rudi_s | viyyer: Find the problem, report the bug, and hope that it gets fixed. |
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| 20:02.20 | Bushmills | review your configuration |
| 20:02.48 | Bushmills | try with squeeze config instead of your older lenny config |
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| 20:03.32 | viyyer | Bushmills: is that for me ? |
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| 20:03.51 | Bushmills | yes, it was |
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| 20:04.26 | viyyer | Bushmills: it is a fresh install of squeeze |
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| 20:04.52 | Bushmills | doesn't apply, in that case |
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| 20:10.19 | viyyer | bushmills seems like bug #503213 |
| 20:10.25 | viyyer | though I'm not sure |
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| 20:16.40 | Chaos|Baghdad | anyone around? |
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| 20:17.28 | AimHere | Whatever you want to ask, I suggest you ask it directly, rather than asking if there's anyone about to answer your query. |
| 20:17.33 | Bushmills | only 1001 bots |
| 20:17.33 | jhutchins_lt | No, only 1002 lurkers. |
| 20:17.47 | AimHere | One of the bots isn't lurking |
| 20:18.07 | AimHere | Rather, one of the lurkers isn't a bot |
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| 20:19.21 | jhutchins_lt | My tab says 2 are ops as well. |
| 20:19.34 | aw84 | i don't feel like a bot :) |
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| 20:20.53 | aw84 | I think that is a good answer for Chaos|Baghdad question if there is anyone around :) |
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| 20:21.43 | Chaos|Baghdad | aw84: wives are quite the distraction |
| 20:22.26 | Bushmills | sounds like an ubuntu user |
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| 20:24.52 | aw84 | I don't feel like your wives. I don't get what you. Sorry. |
| 20:24.57 | adv_ | what is that application that lets you see the rgb color of any part of your screen? |
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| 20:27.49 | rudi_s | adv_: aptitude search '~d color ~dscreen' |
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| 20:28.02 | rudi_s | I think you want something like gragc. |
| 20:28.08 | rudi_s | *grabc |
| 20:28.47 | adv_ | i think it started with x |
| 20:28.48 | adv_ | the name |
| 20:28.52 | adv_ | im almost sure |
| 20:29.02 | adv_ | 3-4 letters total |
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| 20:30.01 | Chaos|Baghdad | riddle me this, with rp as my pppoe client in debian sid, I can connect to the server, I can packet sniff and see the syn ack and see it's working, I can go promiscuous and see packets across the network, I can see that there is traffic, through my client, system monitor, but my pings to everything, even loopback, time out |
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| 20:31.04 | aw84 | adv_, maybe try to ask on channels related to web development? Friend of (he is a web dev.) my used one of this but I don't remember its name. |
| 20:31.36 | rudi_s | adv_: aptitude search '^x' | perl -ne 'print if / x.{2,3} /' |
| 20:31.47 | aw84 | (the name of the application :) ) |
| 20:31.52 | adv_ | lol |
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| 20:35.18 | Tramp | Chaos|Baghdad: (1) do you have any sort of firewalling (2) do you ping "localhost" or by IP |
| 20:35.47 | Tramp | Chaos|Baghdad: (3) is lo up |
| 20:36.09 | OldParr | is there any guide to install java plugin from sun's webpage to use it with Epiphany |
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| 20:37.34 | jhutchins_lt | !java |
| 20:37.34 | dpkg | it has been said that java is a cross-platform C++-like OO language. Sun, now Oracle, has released most of its Java implementation under the GPL as <openjdk>. There are other implementations packaged for Debian, Sun's JRE/JDK is in <non-free> (for i386, amd64 only). Ask me about <install java>. See also <java alternatives>, <icedtea>. Squeeze users: ask me about <java ipv6>. http://wiki.debian.org/Java ##java on irc.freenode.net. |
| 20:37.47 | khermansen | anyone know the option to full-upgrade and auto overwrite config files with the NEW packaged version? |
| 20:37.55 | khermansen | using aptitude? |
| 20:38.08 | babilen | !tell khermansen about confmiss |
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| 20:38.44 | babilen | khermansen: Ah, that might actually not be what you want ... |
| 20:39.06 | khermansen | right i mean when i upgrade to new package versions |
| 20:39.16 | khermansen | babilen, is there an apt option for that? |
| 20:39.44 | khermansen | instead of me having to hit "I" for every prompt :) |
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| 20:42.38 | babilen | khermansen: can't find it right now in the manpage - take a look at the "unattended-upgrades" package .. |
| 20:43.08 | babilen | khermansen: Ah - APT::Periodic::Unattended-Upgrade â read up on that |
| 20:43.33 | lk | khermansen, aptitude update && aptitude -y safe-upgrade? |
| 20:43.37 | Chaos|Baghdad | Tramp: I have no firewall, and I ping 127.0.0.1 |
| 20:43.46 | Chaos|Baghdad | Tramp: and why would lo be down? |
| 20:44.00 | lk | Chaos|Baghdad, what's in /etc/hosts? |
| 20:44.03 | Tramp | Chaos|Baghdad: because you fail to ping it? |
| 20:44.10 | Tramp | did you check? |
| 20:45.00 | Chaos|Baghdad | Tramp: how would I check? |
| 20:45.04 | Chaos|Baghdad | lk: I don't know |
| 20:45.23 | Tramp | Chaos|Baghdad: ifconfig lo |
| 20:45.38 | Tramp | Chaos|Baghdad: 3rd line has to start with "UP LOOPBACK" |
| 20:45.43 | Chaos|Baghdad | on that note lk Tramp I'm on a public computer like a quarter mile from my laptop so I can't necessarily tell you an exact thing like what a certain file says like that |
| 20:46.00 | Chaos|Baghdad | ok Tramp if the 3rd line doesn't, then what? |
| 20:46.10 | Tramp | then loopback is not up |
| 20:46.11 | lindi- | jhutchins_lt: it might be worth adding that the "most of its Java implementation" does not include the java plugin :) |
| 20:46.24 | Chaos|Baghdad | Tramp: ....well I mean how would I bring it up? |
| 20:46.31 | babilen | khermansen: Ah, it looks as if unattended-upgrades won't be a solution as well as it does not upgrade packages with manually edited configuration files |
| 20:46.32 | Tramp | ifup lo |
| 20:46.41 | Chaos|Baghdad | it doesn't make sense to me that I can use pppoe and connect to the server but I can't ping ANYTHING |
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| 20:47.14 | Chaos|Baghdad | Tramp: ok, if I ifup lo and I can ping loopback, do you think that will solve the issue of connecting outside the network? |
| 20:47.28 | balrog | is the debian SVN down? |
| 20:47.29 | Tramp | Chaos|Baghdad: btw, I don't understand, what you are talking about. What is "your laptop"? what is this "publik computer"? What topology are you talking about? |
| 20:47.44 | lk | Chaos|Baghdad, can you ping anything else inside the network? |
| 20:47.44 | balrog | I'm getting "svn: Can't connect to host 'svn.debian.org': Connection timed out" |
| 20:48.08 | balrog | http browsing works though |
| 20:48.17 | Chaos|Baghdad | lk: no, I can't |
| 20:48.26 | lk | But you can SSH into the machine, right? |
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| 20:49.09 | lk | lol, gandalf's guarding the svn repo. |
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| 20:49.20 | balrog | hahha |
| 20:49.30 | Chaos|Baghdad | Tramp: ok, there is a small internet center if you will here on this base with a few computers that any soldier can walk up and wait in a line to use, ergo they're public, running on government internet, I paid for a civlian run ISP out here in Baghdad with my own personal laptop, for me to use while in my tent, I'm coming here to you all to get help for my personal laptop in my tent |
| 20:49.39 | balrog | well I'm trying to check out kbuild-2.6 in an attempt to build a kbuild-2.6.33 package |
| 20:50.46 | lk | balrog, related to this bug at all? |
| 20:50.49 | lk | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=572629 |
| 20:51.42 | Tramp | Chaos|Baghdad: ok. You sit at this public computer and your Laptop is hooked up to this "public ISP" using pppoe - right? |
| 20:51.51 | lk | Chaos|Baghdad, if you can SSH into the machine, but from that machine you can't reach anything else, cat /etc/resolv.conf. |
| 20:52.28 | Chaos|Baghdad | Tramp: my peronal laptop is a quarter mile away from me right now |
| 20:52.39 | balrog | lk: hold on; I'm having issues getting to bugs.debian.org :( |
| 20:52.50 | Chaos|Baghdad | lk: I do get some sort of error about my resolv.conf not being a symlink to another resolv.conf |
| 20:52.55 | Chaos|Baghdad | just noticed that recently |
| 20:53.19 | balrog | lk: *that* is my ISP |
| 20:53.23 | Tramp | Chaos|Baghdad: I still don't understand, what you are trying to achieve with which machine. Sorry. Maybe lk has a better understanding of that. |
| 20:53.25 | balrog | svn, idk about that |
| 20:53.34 | balrog | yea that bug, lk |
| 20:53.50 | balrog | and I'm trying to follow http://wiki.debian.org/HowToRebuildAnOfficialDebianKernelPackage |
| 20:53.55 | Chaos|Baghdad | Tramp: I'm trying to get functioning internet on my personal laptop so I don't have to walk a quarter mile to wait in a line to use a public computer and I can instead use the ISP that I'm paying $69/mo for |
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| 20:54.09 | balrog | it keeps timing out |
| 20:54.13 | balrog | wait |
| 20:54.15 | balrog | now it works |
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| 20:54.52 | Tramp | Chaos|Baghdad: ok. You try to hook up this laptop with this "private ISP" - is that right or not? |
| 20:55.01 | lk | lol, Tramp, I don't think I do... I was guessing he was on a LAN or something and using a static IP without /etc/resolv.conf set right. |
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| 20:57.07 | Chaos|Baghdad | Tramp: yes |
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| 20:57.22 | Chaos|Baghdad | lk: I'm using DHCP |
| 20:57.29 | Tramp | ok. But you currently sit in front of a computer at this "public facility", right? |
| 20:57.35 | Chaos|Baghdad | Tramp: yes |
| 20:57.41 | aw84 | ChanServ, maybe you have assigned a locale area network address like 192.168.*.* or 10.*.*.* ? Can you ping, let say 209.85.135.105 IP address? |
| 20:57.56 | Tramp | then how can you answer questions about the laptop? (e.g. if "lo is up")? |
| 20:58.09 | Tramp | are you connected /now/ to this laptop by some means? |
| 20:58.17 | Chaos|Baghdad | Tramp: I can't right now, but when I WAS there that was the issue |
| 20:58.20 | Chaos|Baghdad | Tramp: no |
| 20:58.23 | lk | balrog, try a proxy? |
| 20:58.34 | Chaos|Baghdad | Tramp: I can easily recreate the same problem I'm complaining about |
| 20:58.43 | Chaos|Baghdad | Tramp: I'd have to walk a quarter mile to do it though |
| 20:59.19 | aw84 | Chaos|Baghdad, :), maybe you have assigned a locale area network address like 192.168.*.* or 10.*.*.* ? Can you ping, let say 209.85.135.105 IP address? |
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| 20:59.47 | Tramp | still I don't understand, how you could answer my Q if "lo is up (on the laptop)" without walking there and back. |
| 21:00.34 | balrog | lk: I got through :) |
| 21:01.03 | Chaos|Baghdad | Tramp: I didn't, when I was there I was unable to ping the 127.0.0.1, I'm saying IF I do ifup lo, and IF that allows me to ping 127.0.0.1 successfully, which I've never had an issue with before, would that then resolve the other issues? |
| 21:01.09 | Chaos|Baghdad | it was a hypothetical |
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| 21:01.47 | Tramp | Chaos|Baghdad: no. It would only resolve the issue which confused you, about not being able to ping 127.0.0.1 |
| 21:02.10 | Chaos|Baghdad | Tramp: and then the issue of being able to ping out? |
| 21:02.20 | balrog | lk: this error again: |
| 21:02.21 | balrog | /media/usb/src/kbuild/linux-kbuild-2.6-2.6.33/kbuild/scripts/mod/modpost.c:18:46: error: ../../include/generated/autoconf.h: No such file or directory |
| 21:02.28 | balrog | :[ |
| 21:02.31 | Tramp | Chaos|Baghdad: then I would recommend to verify that the pppoe-Interface is up and ping both endpoints (by IP) |
| 21:03.06 | Tramp | Chaos|Baghdad: next I would troubleshoot the routing, i.e. verify that the remote pppoe-endpoint is the default-GW |
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| 21:03.16 | Chaos|Baghdad | well I can get it with pppoe-status to report a PID of the daemon as well as the IP that I'm leased by the ISP |
| 21:03.19 | balrog | I couldn't find anything about that issue. any ideas? |
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| 21:03.30 | Chaos|Baghdad | I can get it to show me that I'm sending and receiving packets |
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| 21:03.48 | lk | balrog, maybe try getting it from elsewhere? http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/k/kbuild/kbuild_0.1.3svn1610-1.dsc |
| 21:04.05 | balrog | lk: I got the kbuild from svn |
| 21:04.10 | lk | Oh. |
| 21:04.11 | balrog | it just fails |
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| 21:04.22 | The_Eccentric | can somone link me to |
| 21:04.24 | lk | Grab it again from https://bollin.googlecode.com/svn/kbuild/trunk ? |
| 21:04.25 | The_Eccentric | know any good tuts for vsftpd?? |
| 21:04.32 | The_Eccentric | dpkg: vsftpd |
| 21:04.32 | dpkg | vsftpd is probably the "Very Secure FTP Daemon", a GPL licensed FTP server for UNIX systems, including Linux. Frequently Asked Questions: ftp://vsftpd.beasts.org/users/cevans/untar/vsftpd-2.1.0/FAQ . Wiki: http://vsftpd.brainsware.org/ . http://vsftpd.beasts.org/ #vsftpd on irc.freenode.net. See also <ftpd>. |
| 21:04.36 | lk | The_Eccentric, what're you trying to do? |
| 21:04.39 | Tramp | Chaos|Baghdad: well. Then check your default-GW. (netstat -nr - there should be an entry with "0.0.0.0" in the first column and "Gateway" should be the remote pppoe-endpoint) |
| 21:04.49 | balrog | lk: it errors on dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc |
| 21:04.53 | balrog | this is my second attempt |
| 21:04.56 | balrog | is that kbuild newer? |
| 21:05.04 | Chaos|Baghdad | Tramp: I know I'm going to sound stupid saying this, but which IP would be the one to look for |
| 21:05.30 | Chaos|Baghdad | Tramp: when I connect I get 2 IPs, one starts with 10.x.x.x and the other 172.x.x.x |
| 21:05.32 | balrog | lk: and that url is no good |
| 21:05.35 | lk | balrog, can't really tell, yeah. |
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| 21:05.50 | The_Eccentric | anyon e?? |
| 21:05.57 | lk | The_Eccentric, what're you trying to do? |
| 21:06.04 | The_Eccentric | set up ftp on my vps |
| 21:06.08 | The_Eccentric | using vsftpd |
| 21:06.13 | The_Eccentric | but need a good tut for debain |
| 21:06.20 | The_Eccentric | found a couple but there outdated and fail |
| 21:06.21 | Tramp | Chaos|Baghdad: "ifconfig pppoe" shows 2 IPs - the one your IF has and the other endpoint |
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| 21:06.32 | lk | The_Eccentric, okay, so just FTP? Are you trying to set up virtual users or just enable FTP for the users already on the system? |
| 21:06.56 | Tramp | Chaos|Baghdad: not sure if the name is really "pppoe" could be "pppoe0" or somesuch - I don't have a pppoe-IF up to test. ifconfig -a shows them all |
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| 21:07.12 | lk | The_Eccentric, vsftpd is pretty easy to figure out on your own, but if you need help/explanations, try reading this: http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/vsftpd.htm |
| 21:07.35 | Chaos|Baghdad | Tramp: when I use pppoe it makes a ppp0 device and all the traffic shows up on eth0 |
| 21:07.49 | balrog | lk: there's no kbuild in that repo anymore :( |
| 21:07.52 | Chaos|Baghdad | I guess one IP is for each device |
| 21:07.53 | The_Eccentric | lk: thanx |
| 21:08.05 | Tramp | Chaos|Baghdad: yes, the ppp0 is on top of the eth0 |
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| 21:08.13 | The_Eccentric | lk: ive used this one |
| 21:08.19 | The_Eccentric | my conf has way more options |
| 21:08.24 | The_Eccentric | and still doesnt start |
| 21:08.25 | lk | The_Eccentric, if you need one to just get going, use mine: http://lk.pastebin.com/xN1y97ah |
| 21:08.35 | The_Eccentric | kk |
| 21:08.44 | lk | It'll enable local users but restrict them to their home directories. |
| 21:09.15 | Tramp | Chaos|Baghdad: important part is, that your default-GW is associated with the pppoe-endpoint (or with the IP of the ppp0 - actually any should be fine) |
| 21:09.47 | Chaos|Baghdad | Tramp: I don't know |
| 21:10.06 | lk | balrog, that's tough... I guess you'll have to search around =/ |
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| 21:10.27 | Tramp | Chaos|Baghdad: I know you don't. That's why I try to give you as much information so you can check. |
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| 21:10.50 | Tramp | Chaos|Baghdad: My assumption is, the ppp-connection is fine but your routing is not. |
| 21:11.02 | balrog | I'm trying to figure out why this doesn't work :( |
| 21:11.06 | Chaos|Baghdad | Tramp: that's what I think too but I don't know how to fix it :( |
| 21:11.59 | Tramp | Chaos|Baghdad: see, it would be difficult enough if you were sitting next to this box. Your situation makes it even more difficult and honestly, I'm not sure how I can help you further. |
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| 21:12.59 | Tramp | Chaos|Baghdad: (1) check the routing with "netstat -nr" (2) if the "Gateway" for "0.0.0.0" is /not/ one of the IPs associated with ppp0, your default-GW is incorrect |
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| 21:13.49 | Tramp | Chaos|Baghdad: "IPs associated with ppp0" I mean the 2 IPs showing up when you do "ifconfig ppp0" |
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| 21:14.00 | jeunix | Hi. I'm having trouble with my high-traffic Debian boxes. It seems, randomly, that name resolution fails (regardless of my nameserver settings) and only a reboot seems to be curing the issue. Can someone help me investigate the cause? |
| 21:14.36 | Chaos|Baghdad | Tramp: IF the gw is the issue, how would I set the gw? |
| 21:14.44 | jeunix | Other network issues seem to be taking place as well, not just name resolution issues. |
| 21:14.48 | jhutchins_lt | jeunix: The servers are failing to resolve external addresses? |
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| 21:15.03 | jeunix | I have a firewall in place but even when it's offline these issues occur. The firewall must be in place, for security reasons. |
| 21:15.12 | jeunix | jhutchins_lt: Some addresses, yes. |
| 21:15.16 | jeunix | google, for example |
| 21:15.23 | jeunix | while others appear to be cached |
| 21:15.25 | Tramp | Chaos|Baghdad: with the command: "route add default gw <IP>", where <IP> is the right IP |
| 21:15.37 | jhutchins_lt | jeunix: Who's DNS server are you using? Do you have local caching server set up? |
| 21:16.01 | jeunix | jhutchins_lt: We're using OpenDNS but this happens if we change it to our ISP's DNS as well. |
| 21:16.22 | Tramp | Chaos|Baghdad: however, you should, even without a GW, be able to ping the 2 IPs associated with the ppp0 - provided this interface is "UP". |
| 21:16.35 | jeunix | jhutchins_lt: I don't believe we have local caching set up either. |
| 21:16.51 | jhutchins_lt | jeunix: I would reccommend setting up an internal caching DNS server on one of the servers and pointing all of them to that server for resolution. |
| 21:17.17 | Chaos|Baghdad | Tramp: well, though it said before I left that both those addresses were up, and I was sending and receiving packets, how do you explain me being unable to ping either of those two IPs? |
| 21:17.17 | Tramp | Chaos|Baghdad: so first check, if the interface is really "UP", then ping its IP and the "other" IP (the IP of the ppp-endpoint) |
| 21:17.19 | jhutchins_lt | jeunix: You might want to put a local caching server on each server, but I think one internal one is best. |
| 21:17.49 | jeunix | jhutchins_lt: It may not just be a DNS issue, though. Because look: |
| 21:17.49 | jeunix | http://pastie.org/private/pw9viaketbm1qnojat13q |
| 21:17.55 | Tramp | Chaos|Baghdad: honestly, I can't. If the ppp0 is "UP" you should be able to ping its IP. |
| 21:18.06 | Chaos|Baghdad | Tramp: :( |
| 21:18.18 | Tramp | Chaos|Baghdad: exactly as with lo. if lo is "UP" you must be able to ping 127.0.0.1 |
| 21:18.34 | Chaos|Baghdad | Tramp: everything I had reported it as being up, from pppoe-status to ifconfig, yet those IPs had all pings timeout to them |
| 21:18.35 | jhutchins_lt | jeunix: That looks like it could be a driver issue. You are running lenny, right? |
| 21:18.44 | Tramp | Chaos|Baghdad: (provided that, as you said, you have no firewall active) |
| 21:18.56 | Chaos|Baghdad | Tramp: I don't know if the lo was up but I do know that pings to 127.0.0.1 timed out too, which sounds stupid |
| 21:19.07 | Chaos|Baghdad | Tramp: I have no firewall |
| 21:19.12 | jeunix | jhutchins_lt: yes, we're running lenny |
| 21:19.14 | jhutchins_lt | jeunix: Actually... that looks a LOT like a bad switch port. |
| 21:19.26 | Chaos|Baghdad | I didn't go through the effort of setting up iptables this time around |
| 21:19.27 | jeunix | is it likely that this would occur on two of our servers? |
| 21:19.40 | jhutchins_lt | jeunix: Yes. |
| 21:19.54 | jeunix | Why would a reboot be fixing this then? |
| 21:20.00 | jhutchins_lt | jeunix: Do a bit of sniffing with tcpdump when it happens. |
| 21:20.11 | jhutchins_lt | jeunix: Reboot resets the connection with the switch. |
| 21:20.20 | jeunix | I see. |
| 21:20.21 | jeunix | :) |
| 21:20.26 | jhutchins_lt | jeunix: Sniff it both on the one that's down and the one that's up. |
| 21:20.35 | jeunix | It's occuring right now, should I sniff? |
| 21:20.46 | jeunix | on one of my boxes it is |
| 21:20.49 | Tramp | Chaos|Baghdad: yeah, sorry. if ppp0 is definitely "UP" you must be able to ping its IP. Otherwise maybe ask ##networking if there is a way to troubleshoot pppoe I don't know about. |
| 21:21.06 | jhutchins_lt | Yeah, see what you get. Is there a packet storm? |
| 21:21.16 | jhutchins_lt | jeunix: Have you used tcpdump much? |
| 21:21.22 | jeunix | No, and it's not installed on the box sadly. |
| 21:21.35 | Tramp | Chaos|Baghdad: but if lo is UP and you can't ping it, something I have never heard about is happening. |
| 21:21.40 | Chaos|Baghdad | Tramp: frankly you've been more help than ##networking was |
| 21:21.53 | jhutchins_lt | jeunix: does restarting networking work? |
| 21:22.11 | jeunix | it's a production server, I can't really check |
| 21:22.21 | Tramp | Chaos|Baghdad: well, ##networking is a comparatively small channel and may have significant delays in answering |
| 21:22.24 | jeunix | oh well, worth a shot |
| 21:22.36 | jhutchins_lt | jeunix: Install it on the box that is up, do a tcpdump -i ethX -c 200 - that cuts off at 200 lines, which is important if there's a packetstorm. |
| 21:22.59 | jhutchins_lt | jeunix: Well, if it's down, restarting networking isn't any worse than rebooting. |
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| 21:23.21 | jeunix | After restarting networking I think it's still occurring. |
| 21:23.22 | Chaos|Baghdad | Tramp: yeah, and debian users tend to be more intelligent anyway, although typically arrogant elitists, but we have right to be, our distro is the most pure |
| 21:23.43 | jeunix | jhutchins_lt: actually, could be my DNS cache. google now resolves on it |
| 21:23.52 | jeunix | after restarting networking |
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| 21:24.13 | jhutchins_lt | jeunix: That also re-loads the driver for the card, which resets the connection. |
| 21:24.17 | Tramp | Chaos|Baghdad: ok - I have to be afk for a moment. Best luck. - what's the temperature in Baghdad? |
| 21:25.04 | jeunix | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:25.05 | Chaos|Baghdad | Tramp: atm it's about 75F I'd say, but it's also 0025 |
| 21:25.17 | Chaos|Baghdad | Tramp: thanks for all the help though, I need to be heading to bed anyway I have to be up early in the morning |
| 21:25.28 | jeunix | jhutchins_lt: if I do have a DNS cache, it'll be nscd right? |
| 21:25.29 | Tramp | Chaos|Baghdad: k - cu. |
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| 21:26.43 | jeunix | jhutchins_lt: check this out: http://pastie.org/private/gkywkjpepq7g3vqndj7oa |
| 21:27.15 | balrog | lk: looks like kbuild is broken for 2.6.33 :( |
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| 21:29.42 | balrog | lk: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=573176 |
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| 21:31.50 | jhutchins_lt | jeunix: I just use bind. |
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| 21:32.53 | jhutchins_lt | jeunix: What kernel and what chipset? |
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| 21:33.38 | jeunix | jhutchins_lt: Linux 2.6.26-2-686-bigmem |
| 21:33.43 | jeunix | jhutchins_lt: chipset as in? i686 |
| 21:33.57 | jeunix | like cpuinfo? |
| 21:34.15 | jhutchins_lt | Network Chipset. |
| 21:34.53 | jeunix | jhutchins_lt: I could get this information how? |
| 21:35.08 | jeunix | sorry, I never set this server up so I am not aware of its hardware |
| 21:35.38 | abrotman | jeunix: lspci -nn .. look for your Network controller |
| 21:35.55 | jeunix | lspci: command not found |
| 21:35.55 | jeunix | xD |
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| 21:36.30 | abrotman | seriously? |
| 21:36.36 | abrotman | are you in the installer? |
| 21:36.58 | jeunix | no |
| 21:37.02 | OldParr | is there any guide to install java plugin from sun's webpage to use it with Epiphany |
| 21:37.06 | abrotman | apt-cache search pciutils .. is it available to you ? |
| 21:37.17 | abrotman | OldParr: you should probably use the sun-java6-plugin already in debian |
| 21:37.30 | jeunix | abrotman: the problem is this server cannot contact the repositories so I cannot install it |
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| 21:37.37 | abrotman | jeunix: how did you instal lit ? |
| 21:37.46 | jeunix | abrotman: install what? |
| 21:37.49 | jeunix | the OS? |
| 21:38.04 | jeunix | are you saying having the lspci binary is essential to the operation of the network card? |
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| 21:38.13 | jeunix | this is a minimal install of debian |
| 21:38.36 | abrotman | jeunix: do you have a netinst ? |
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| 21:39.10 | jeunix | abrotman: Yes |
| 21:39.14 | jeunix | I think |
| 21:39.41 | jeunix | My DC just told me that issues like this: http://pastie.org/private/gkywkjpepq7g3vqndj7oa |
| 21:39.45 | jeunix | are all local server related |
| 21:39.48 | streuner__ | jeunix: is that Debian by any chance? |
| 21:40.09 | OldParr | abrotman: i installed sun-java6-plugin but it can not open some sites in internet that is why i need the one from sun's website |
| 21:40.18 | jeunix | because it is saying operation not permitted, they said the switch seems to be fine and that it would time out if the switch was broken |
| 21:40.23 | jeunix | streuner__: yes? :P |
| 21:40.44 | streuner__ | amset:/home/streuner# apt-cache show pciutils | grep Priority |
| 21:40.44 | streuner__ | Priority: standard |
| 21:40.46 | abrotman | jeunix: so you don't have any apt cd sources ? |
| 21:40.57 | abrotman | streuner__: that only works if you allow the 'Standard' task to be installed with tasksel |
| 21:41.17 | streuner__ | abrotman: i dont use tasksel... |
| 21:41.19 | jeunix | pciutils is available |
| 21:41.23 | \amethyst | OldParr: are you running squeeze? |
| 21:41.29 | abrotman | streuner__: i realize that |
| 21:41.31 | abrotman | jeunix: install it |
| 21:41.36 | jeunix | I just can't install it, it can't resolve ftp.nl.debian.org |
| 21:41.39 | jeunix | the box cannot resolve it |
| 21:41.40 | jeunix | lol |
| 21:42.03 | abrotman | jeunix: use apt-cdrom .. scan the netinst .. install the package |
| 21:42.08 | abrotman | or get it manually from the CD |
| 21:42.28 | jhutchins_lt | jeunix: Your DC doesn't want to deal with your problem. |
| 21:42.43 | jeunix | jhutchins_lt: that's what I'm thinking ;) |
| 21:42.44 | \amethyst | OldParr: if so, the problem is likely to be the bindv6only thing, and downloading Java from Sun won't fix it |
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| 21:43.01 | jhutchins_lt | jeunix: Time-out is not the only possible response from a bad switch or bad port. |
| 21:43.02 | jeunix | abrotman: there's no install CD available right now on this server |
| 21:43.29 | jeunix | jhutchins_lt: they said that the switch port "is currently pushing over 7 gigabit/s traffic on 60 servers and not having any troubles." |
| 21:43.36 | jhutchins_lt | jeunix: So is it or is it not connecting to the network? |
| 21:43.39 | \amethyst | OldParr: if that's the case, /msg dpkg bindv6only has instruction to fix it |
| 21:43.49 | OldParr | \amethyst: no i am not running that .... |
| 21:43.56 | \amethyst | OldParr: oh, ok |
| 21:44.01 | jeunix | jhutchins_lt: it's connected to the network, but there's just arbitrary issues with contacting other servers or resolving things |
| 21:44.06 | jhutchins_lt | jeunix: Yeah, except the troubles that they "know" are no the switch. Load alone sounds like a potential problem. |
| 21:44.34 | OldParr | \amethyst: i am triying to open http://es.games.yahoo.com |
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| 21:45.16 | jhutchins_lt | jeunix: We want lspci and/or lshw so we can figure out if there is an issue with the driver for your NIC. You might also be able to scan through dmesg and figure out what chipset it is, or you might be able to use lsmod to see what module is loaded for it. (I'm guessing Intel, but...) |
| 21:45.28 | \amethyst | OldParr: any particular game there? |
| 21:46.08 | jeunix | yay I just got it to install pciutils |
| 21:46.11 | jeunix | so I can get that |
| 21:46.21 | \amethyst | OldParr: the first one I tried was Flash, not Java |
| 21:46.35 | jeunix | http://pastie.org/private/2qyhi8420whql9pnpcjjew |
| 21:46.50 | jhutchins_lt | jeunix: Do you have iptables? Do you have a firewall set up? |
| 21:46.57 | jeunix | yes we do, but even if it's disabled this occurs |
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| 21:47.48 | jeunix | and if we shut it off we're exposing daemons such as memcached to the outside world which I can't do very often for security reasons |
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| 21:48.49 | lk | balrog, nice. |
| 21:48.57 | jhutchins_lt | jeunix: One of the compromises of a shared datacenter. |
| 21:49.06 | jeunix | yep |
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| 21:49.23 | jhutchins_lt | jeunix: Tell me about the firewall - homebrew, shorewall, what? |
| 21:49.40 | jeunix | it's iptables, dictated by CSF (which normally doesn't give me problems) |
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| 21:50.13 | Russell_F36 | firestarter is good for iptables if you prefer a gui over text based |
| 21:50.26 | jeunix | I can deal with text-based :D |
| 21:50.35 | jeunix | we don't run a gui for performance reasons |
| 21:51.05 | jhutchins_lt | jeunix: look for a drop rule on icmp |
| 21:51.19 | jeunix | we have a throttle on icmp |
| 21:51.27 | jhutchins_lt | jeunix: There ya go. |
| 21:51.37 | jeunix | well even if the firewall is off this is happening though |
| 21:52.17 | jhutchins_lt | I'd check that a bit more carefully, and again, install tcpdump. |
| 21:52.41 | OldParr | \amethyst: literati |
| 21:52.43 | balrog | lk: it works |
| 21:53.32 | jeunix | jhutchins_lt: tcpdump installed |
| 21:53.40 | jeunix | 559 packets captured |
| 21:53.40 | jeunix | 178954 packets received by filter |
| 21:53.40 | jeunix | 165870 packets dropped by kernel |
| 21:53.41 | jeunix | ... |
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| 21:53.50 | jeunix | heh |
| 21:54.06 | jeunix | apologies |
| 21:54.06 | jeunix | http://pastie.org/963039 |
| 21:54.10 | jhutchins_lt | jeunix: four lines I think. |
| 21:54.32 | jhutchins_lt | jeunix: I'm a little rusty with it, hang on... |
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| 21:56.02 | abrotman | what happened to the lspci ? |
| 21:56.02 | jeunix | I installed it |
| 21:56.06 | jeunix | and pasted here: http://pastie.org/private/2qyhi8420whql9pnpcjjew |
| 21:56.21 | jhutchins_lt | abrotman: Broadcom Corporation NetXtreme BCM5721 |
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| 21:56.44 | abrotman | the pciid is more important than the name |
| 21:57.04 | abrotman | jeunix: what are the contents of /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 21:57.13 | jhutchins_lt | jeunix: It's not the summary that we're interested in, it's looking over the actual traffic and seeing what's going on. Is it all legitimate traffic between the server and the switch? Is someone DDSing you with floodping? |
| 21:57.32 | jhutchins_lt | Is there a Windows box having a hissyfit? |
| 21:57.44 | jeunix | abrotman: http://pastie.org/private/tp7mkvegk7semwq5sx9pha |
| 21:57.46 | lk | jhutchins, what's a hissyfit? |
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| 21:58.00 | jeunix | jhutchins_lt: I don't think it's a DDoS attack. |
| 21:58.04 | jhutchins_lt | lk: Technical term for "behaving badly". |
| 21:58.04 | jeunix | :S |
| 21:58.23 | abrotman | jeunix: so if you 'ifup eth1' and then use '/sbin/ifconfig -a' .. it is configured correctly right ? |
| 21:58.24 | aha | that's rare to see nowadays |
| 21:58.26 | jeunix | we simply receive a lot of traffic on this server |
| 21:58.43 | jeunix | abrotman: what? |
| 21:58.44 | jeunix | lol |
| 21:58.51 | aha | they just unplug your network cable directly |
| 21:58.57 | abrotman | jeunix: also .. what is "dmesg | grep eth" .. does it reference eth0 or eth1 or some other device ? |
| 21:59.04 | jeunix | good idea abrotman |
| 21:59.04 | jeunix | hold on |
| 21:59.07 | aha | that's the best attack |
| 21:59.27 | jhutchins_lt | jeunix: I leave you in abrotman's capable hands, I have horses to feed. l8r. |
| 21:59.34 | jeunix | jhutchins_lt: thank you for your help |
| 21:59.37 | abrotman | you always run to the horses! |
| 21:59.46 | abrotman | thinks those horses eat better than jhutchins_lt |
| 21:59.54 | aha | is beating the dead horse |
| 22:00.02 | jeunix | abrotman: all that's in 'dmesg | grep eth' is TCP block messages |
| 22:00.14 | jeunix | except |
| 22:00.18 | abrotman | jeunix: it never mentions any eth0 or eth1 or any driver stuff? |
| 22:00.18 | jeunix | device eth1 left promiscuous mode |
| 22:00.32 | abrotman | [ 1.139939] 0000:00:19.0: eth0: Intel(R) PRO/1000 Network Connection |
| 22:00.32 | abrotman | like that ? |
| 22:01.12 | jeunix | abrotman: well, that stuff is probably gone from the log at this point |
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| 22:02.43 | jeunix | well at this point I'm at a loss and I've been told that we need the servers up as soon as possible, so a reboot is in order. ;( |
| 22:02.47 | abrotman | jeunix: did you try the other stuff with ifup and ifconfig ? |
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| 22:03.06 | jeunix | abrotman: this is a remote server, none of those commands executed sequentially will damage the network status |
| 22:03.07 | jeunix | right? |
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| 22:03.18 | abrotman | isn't the network .. non-functional ? |
| 22:03.24 | jeunix | the network is functional |
| 22:03.27 | abrotman | you still can't resolve hostnames ? |
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| 22:03.32 | jeunix | it's random |
| 22:03.36 | abrotman | waves at bot |
| 22:03.37 | jeunix | it randomly resolves a host, then it doesn't |
| 22:03.41 | abrotman | jeunix: /etc/resolv.conf ? |
| 22:03.42 | jeunix | connects to a host, then it can't connect to a host |
| 22:03.46 | jeunix | abrotman: uses opendns |
| 22:04.02 | aha | use the hosts file |
| 22:04.06 | abrotman | jeunix: maybe you should make it use just one IP? or install bind and use itself |
| 22:04.11 | abrotman | aha: for the whole internet? |
| 22:04.16 | jeunix | rofl |
| 22:04.18 | jeunix | ahaha |
| 22:04.20 | aha | if you have known it's ip |
| 22:04.24 | abrotman | its |
| 22:04.25 | jeunix | aha: that's still an issue when our servers randomly cannot communicate with eachother |
| 22:04.45 | jeunix | because it's not just name resolution |
| 22:05.01 | abrotman | what else is it? |
| 22:05.24 | jeunix | abrotman: a host will time out even though it works just fine |
| 22:05.25 | aha | so, some chinese spys are in your local networks and attacking your servers |
| 22:05.33 | simonrvn | spies |
| 22:05.37 | aha | lol |
| 22:05.44 | aha | spicy |
| 22:05.57 | simonrvn | spell check |
| 22:05.59 | jeunix | haha |
| 22:06.04 | aha | no way |
| 22:06.09 | jeunix | alright well, the server is working suddenly with no reboots necessary |
| 22:06.13 | jeunix | I will just leave it alone right now |
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| 22:06.17 | abrotman | aha: do you have a Debian question? |
| 22:06.17 | jeunix | :) |
| 22:06.21 | jeunix | thanks for your help guys |
| 22:06.27 | aha | not for now |
| 22:06.29 | jeunix | hope to hear more information from my DC |
| 22:06.31 | jeunix | take care |
| 22:07.13 | aha | well, is debian still alive? |
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| 22:08.00 | streuner | aha, we answering mostly technical questions... |
| 22:08.33 | streuner | aha: there is no need to provoke somebody... |
| 22:08.46 | abrotman | aha: please troll somewhere else |
| 22:08.48 | simonrvn | enough to boot your ass, aha |
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| 22:15.19 | [Jasper] | hej guys, I have a question...du says my installation is 10 gb... |
| 22:15.25 | [Jasper] | anyway I can find where this is located in? |
| 22:15.32 | [Jasper] | it should only be like 1 gb...the installation |
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| 22:18.07 | macrobat | [Jasper]: df -h to see how much partitions use |
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| 22:18.33 | SerajewelKS | [Jasper]: du -x / | sort -n | tail -30 |
| 22:19.13 | macrobat | gui apps are gdmap and baobab |
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| 22:20.46 | quiio | hi there |
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| 22:21.39 | macrobat | how may we brighten your smile, quiio? |
| 22:21.54 | quiio | actually i think it's the right to ask for a good reason to choose Debian and not Ubuntu |
| 22:22.10 | quiio | i mean a really good reason |
| 22:22.27 | rudi_s | !tell quiio about why debian |
| 22:22.55 | Mark_ | if you're running a desktop, you very well might want ubuntu |
| 22:23.01 | rudi_s | The last sentence is the most important one ;-) |
| 22:23.10 | quiio | cause i've made this discussion many times but i haven't yet found a good reason |
| 22:23.31 | quiio | yes Mark_ i mean for Desktop use |
| 22:23.43 | Mark_ | its kind of a subject question anyway |
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| 22:23.49 | Mark_ | why not windows 7? why not freebsd? |
| 22:23.51 | simonrvn | has used a debian desktop for years |
| 22:23.54 | Mark_ | subjective* |
| 22:24.37 | abrotman | quiio: it depends what you want out of a desktop |
| 22:25.10 | quiio | yes but Ubuntu gives everything out of the box |
| 22:25.11 | quiio | i mean |
| 22:25.35 | abrotman | quiio: so you're saying it's just as bug-free and stable as Debian/stable ? |
| 22:25.59 | quiio | Debian stable is a dino :P |
| 22:26.08 | SerajewelKS | !sns |
| 22:26.08 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
| 22:26.17 | quiio | it's not a good choice for a Desktop |
| 22:26.21 | abrotman | quiio: so you're saying that you'd rather have a bleeding edge and buggy desktop .. |
| 22:26.21 | themill | quiio: crap. |
| 22:26.26 | abrotman | quiio: that's a bullshit answer .. |
| 22:26.44 | abrotman | quiio: what is something that Lenny doesn't do for you ? |
| 22:26.59 | Mark_ | i can tell you something about debian that pisses me off |
| 22:27.00 | streuner | quiio: Debian thought about this problem too, and we created backports |
| 22:27.08 | Mark_ | the ntp maintainer didnt build it with nano precision |
| 22:27.09 | Mark_ | >< |
| 22:27.21 | macrobat | oh? |
| 22:27.23 | streuner | Mark_: send patches |
| 22:27.24 | themill | Mark_: bug number? |
| 22:27.45 | Mark_ | theres a bug open |
| 22:27.53 | themill | Mark_: bug number? |
| 22:27.54 | rudi_s | I use Lenny as a desktop and it works great for me, no problems, just running stable. There are some programs where I need newer versions, but that's what backports (or self compiling) is for. |
| 22:27.58 | rudi_s | quiio: ^ |
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| 22:28.10 | SerajewelKS | my only big gripe with lenny as a desktop OS is that the version of network-manager in lenny is a bit fussy, so it's not a great choice for laptops IMO |
| 22:28.14 | rudi_s | But nobody is forcing you to use Debian, use Ubuntu and be happy .. (if you can). |
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| 22:28.53 | infid | how can i create an md5 hash from the command line ? |
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| 22:29.00 | SerajewelKS | infid: man md5sum |
| 22:29.02 | Mark_ | the problem with ntp + nano is kernels before 2.6.26 didnt support it |
| 22:29.14 | abrotman | luckily lenny has a 2.6.26 |
| 22:29.23 | Mark_ | yea but that was a concern discussed in the bug |
| 22:29.31 | infid | SerajewelKS: doesnt md5sum only do checksums, not create hashes? |
| 22:29.32 | rudi_s | infid: Just for your information, md5 is not secure anymore, if you want to create a secure hash, use sha256sum. |
| 22:29.33 | Mark_ | i was sad there was no nano precision in testing though =[ |
| 22:29.34 | Mark_ | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=552882 |
| 22:29.55 | quiio | rudi_s i know nobody forces me to use Debian but i cannot understand people continuosly saying how much better is Debian :S |
| 22:29.58 | SerajewelKS | infid: hash, digest, checksum, whatever you want to call it |
| 22:30.00 | infid | rudi_s: not even safe for storing passworsd in a database? |
| 22:30.09 | quiio | being more friendly is a drawback :S? |
| 22:30.17 | Mark_ | infid, sha1 is more of a baseline now than md5 |
| 22:30.24 | SerajewelKS | infid: md5sum is a hashing/digest function that can be used for checksums |
| 22:30.40 | themill | Mark_: you seriously need to get out more if that's the worst problem you can find in lenny. |
| 22:30.52 | Mark_ | themill, it was more sarcastic than anything |
| 22:30.55 | rudi_s | infid: Depends, it's definitely easier to crack md5 hashed passwords than better hashed ones. |
| 22:31.04 | lindi- | rudi_s: you mean by brute force? |
| 22:31.06 | amphi | quiio: try both, and make your own judgement |
| 22:31.09 | Mark_ | themill, not sarcastic really, exaggerating |
| 22:31.11 | Mark_ | it is annoying |
| 22:31.19 | rudi_s | Mark_: Did you try the version in backports? |
| 22:31.20 | rudi_s | lindi-: Yes. |
| 22:31.22 | abrotman | quiio: because it's a hell of a lot more stable .. you can either use it or not .. it's your set of priorities, not ours .. personally i'll stick with debian on my desktops |
| 22:31.28 | Mark_ | there is no backport of ntp |
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| 22:31.36 | Mark_ | and ive got a testing install too, with no nanos :( |
| 22:31.36 | initq | allo allo |
| 22:31.52 | abrotman | Mark_: the bug says a fix was uploaded over six months ago |
| 22:32.03 | Mark_ | well its not |
| 22:32.03 | SerajewelKS | Mark_: if it's just a --configure option, download the source package and built it yourself |
| 22:32.06 | Mark_ | ntpdc -c kerninfo |
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| 22:32.12 | Mark_ | you can see for yourself |
| 22:32.13 | SerajewelKS | build* |
| 22:32.23 | Mark_ | (if you're running ntp) |
| 22:32.28 | infid | SerajewelKS: md5sum wants a file. i need a way to create it from echo'ing |
| 22:32.36 | SerajewelKS | infid: md5sum - |
| 22:32.38 | rudi_s | Mark_: Ah, sorry thought you asked about network-manager. |
| 22:32.46 | abrotman | Mark_: i said the fix was uploaded .. not that it was in testing |
| 22:32.54 | SerajewelKS | infid: and you will probably want to use echo -n |
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| 22:33.15 | lindi- | rudi_s: hmm. i thought runtime was around the same. http://paste.debian.net/73536/ |
| 22:33.18 | infid | echo 'foo' | md5sum works |
| 22:33.25 | infid | it adds a - for some reason |
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| 22:33.34 | SerajewelKS | infid: no, you really want "echo -n 'foo' | md5sum" |
| 22:33.47 | SerajewelKS | infid: it adds the - because that was the filename you gave it |
| 22:33.49 | bsmith093 | can i just use unetbootin and a debian iso like cd1 to get a debian install usb drive |
| 22:33.51 | lindi- | rudi_s: for 64 byte blocks sha256 seems to be only 50% slower than md5 |
| 22:33.57 | infid | SerajewelKS: i see, thanks |
| 22:34.03 | SerajewelKS | infid: echo -n 'password' | md5sum - | awk '{print $1}' |
| 22:34.04 | quiio | amphi abrotman i use both of them i don't ask this to help me choose a distro i just want a good reason why Debian > Ubuntu except from that it is stuck to it's filosofy |
| 22:34.08 | infid | SerajewelKS: will md5 always give the same string? seems pretty easy to crack |
| 22:34.19 | rudi_s | lindi-: But it's easier to create a collision in md5. |
| 22:34.26 | SerajewelKS | infid: for the same input? yes. otherwise it would not be a very good digest function, now would it? |
| 22:34.28 | lindi- | rudi_s: but how is that relevant for passwords? |
| 22:34.35 | bsmith093 | md5 is still fine |
| 22:34.39 | abrotman | quiio: and we told you .. but you don't seem to care about those attributes .. so have fun with your ubuntu |
| 22:34.39 | rudi_s | bsmith093: No. |
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| 22:34.45 | \amethyst | rudi_s: not a collision against an arbitrary hash though |
| 22:34.47 | bsmith093 | no to what |
| 22:34.53 | Mark_ | choosing a desktop distro is a lot more subjective than choosing a server one |
| 22:35.00 | Chaos|Baghdad | Tramp: you're a fuckin genius |
| 22:35.00 | rudi_s | \amethyst: True. |
| 22:35.06 | rudi_s | bsmith093: It's not secure anymore. |
| 22:35.11 | \amethyst | rudi_s: which is what's relevant for password-cracking |
| 22:35.12 | Chaos|Baghdad | Tramp: the route add default gw thing worked |
| 22:35.14 | Tramp | Chaos|Baghdad: yeah, I get that often :) |
| 22:35.21 | bsmith093 | ok so what about my original question |
| 22:35.28 | aha | chinese claim that ehy can break md5 |
| 22:35.31 | \amethyst | rudi_s: what the current md5 exploit means is that you can construct two different passwords with the same md5sum |
| 22:35.33 | Mark_ | for servers id take something like debian, gentoo, freebsd, etc, something 'light' |
| 22:35.34 | Chaos|Baghdad | Tramp: and now I can lay in bed and talk to my wife :P |
| 22:35.41 | lindi- | aha: i've only heard of collisions |
| 22:35.48 | Tramp | Chaos|Baghdad: makes me happy - your case sounded like helping with something useful ;) |
| 22:35.48 | quiio | abrotman i didn't tell you i don't care and be sure i am not a Ubuntu fan |
| 22:35.50 | Mark_ | for a desktop, who cares |
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| 22:35.58 | Chaos|Baghdad | Tramp: thanks ;) |
| 22:35.59 | bsmith093 | and afaik its only just beginning to crack |
| 22:35.59 | infid | collisions are more of a problem when used in public spaces like urls |
| 22:36.04 | aha | so what? i think that's another korean clone sheep |
| 22:36.05 | Tramp | Chaos|Baghdad: yw |
| 22:36.23 | aha | in practice, chinese can't hack your md5 |
| 22:36.35 | abrotman | throws a Sunday at themill |
| 22:36.38 | \amethyst | but brute-forcing (or, more likely, rainbow tables) are the bigger issue for passwords, and that's the same no matter what hash you use (except insofar as one hash is more popular or faster than another one) |
| 22:36.42 | bsmith093 | can i use unetbootin and a debian iso to create a debian install usb drive |
| 22:36.44 | quiio | abrotman stability is a good reason but stable has too old packages |
| 22:36.47 | abrotman | bsmith093: no |
| 22:36.50 | wols | bsmith093: no |
| 22:36.56 | wols | !tell bsmith093 about usb install |
| 22:37.00 | abrotman | quiio: and i told you .. BULLSHIT .. what does stable not do for you ? |
| 22:37.22 | bsmith093 | thats a cool feature |
| 22:37.23 | themill | quiio: I think you missed the bit where we don't care. |
| 22:37.24 | quiio | abrotman too old packages |
| 22:37.26 | \amethyst | there is a preimage attack that is faster than brute-force, but only by a little bit |
| 22:37.27 | wols | abrotman: doesn't bring me my shoes. and it's BJs are godawful |
| 22:37.43 | streuner | quiio: /msg dpkg backports |
| 22:37.48 | abrotman | quiio: that's still crap .. what does lenny not do for you ... 'old' isn't an answer |
| 22:37.56 | zcat[1] | !sns |
| 22:37.56 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
| 22:38.00 | zcat[1] | lol |
| 22:38.03 | infid | so it's not so much than md5 is insecure, it's using an insecure password wrapped inside of an md5 hash that's the problem, because it's easy to reverse with a rainbow table, just like it's easy to brute for an encrypted password? |
| 22:38.08 | \amethyst | oh, sorry, it is more than a little bit |
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| 22:38.47 | zcat[1] | bit I'm running testing anyway.. |
| 22:38.50 | streuner | quiio: Do you really think we want old packages/apps too? :-P |
| 22:39.31 | aha | debian's stable is unique and awesome |
| 22:39.37 | aha | stable branch |
| 22:39.44 | \amethyst | 123.4 bits, so a factor of 24 faster than brute-forcing |
| 22:40.01 | streuner | aha: stable is stable and there are many reasons to use it... |
| 22:40.14 | aha | such as old computers |
| 22:40.16 | quiio | abrotman i didn't tell there is something you can't do but with Ubuntu you can do 99% you can do on Debian plus having newer packeges and everything out of the box |
| 22:40.26 | infid | porches are better than ferraris. |
| 22:40.29 | themill | quiio: version numbers mean nothing. Now either stop trolling, /part or be constructive. |
| 22:40.31 | abrotman | quiio: okay .. then this conversation is over .. have fun! |
| 22:40.36 | \amethyst | in practice, no one's going to do that when they can just rely on at least one user having a weak password, and use rainbow tables---but since md5 is more popular, there are larger published rainbow tables than for sha<foo> |
| 22:40.36 | streuner | aha: well, the main reason is for servers |
| 22:40.37 | SerajewelKS | quiio: it sounds like you want to use ubuntu. so go use ubuntu. |
| 22:41.03 | aha | servers? even windows can be a server well |
| 22:41.12 | abrotman | streuner: stop feeding the troll |
| 22:41.14 | \amethyst | the latter fact will change as sha256/sha512/etc become more poular |
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| 22:41.41 | quiio | abrotman SerajewelKS ohhhh i knew that you will face me like this :S i am NOT an Ubuntu fan but the only way to make a good discussion is watching both sides |
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| 22:41.56 | abrotman | quiio: try #debian-offtopic |
| 22:42.19 | themill | quiio: please take a break from #debian. This conversation is long past its expiry date and got boring quite some time ago. You've been asked to move on already. |
| 22:42.21 | lindi- | \amethyst: btw, re sha256 support in debian: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=581266 |
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| 22:43.09 | thetooth | hi |
| 22:43.10 | \amethyst | lindi-: so a particular password cracker doesn't understand sha256 ? |
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| 22:43.47 | lindi- | \amethyst: not sure if you can call it a password cracker really |
| 22:44.00 | infid | if that's what it does, why not>? :P |
| 22:44.07 | lindi- | \amethyst: "Debian's TIGER incorporates new checks primarily oriented towards Debian distribution including: md5sums checks of installed files, location of files not belonging to packages, check of security advisories and analysis of local listening processes." |
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| 22:44.17 | \amethyst | lindi-: I presume the part that doesn't recognize sha256 in /etc/passwd is a password cracker |
| 22:44.27 | lindi- | \amethyst: it doesn't crack any passwords |
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| 22:44.37 | Mark_ | regarding hashes.. whichever you choose, you should be salting |
| 22:44.39 | lindi- | \amethyst: it just looks to see if there are invalid hashes on accounts |
| 22:44.42 | \amethyst | lindi-: aha, now I see the message |
| 22:44.44 | \amethyst | lindi-: okay |
| 22:45.26 | lindi- | \amethyst: i reported that when I tested squeeze and started to get false positives all the time :) |
| 22:46.40 | infid | will md5'ing 'foo' always produce the same hash? |
| 22:46.57 | infid | it seems to be for me. but i coulda swore md5 will sometimes produce different hashes for the same source string |
| 22:47.03 | Mark_ | no, it wont |
| 22:47.16 | infid | wont what |
| 22:47.17 | Mark_ | it will always produce the same hash |
| 22:47.33 | Mark_ | "no it wont" is in reference to "sometimes produce different hashes for the same source string" |
| 22:47.39 | infid | ok |
| 22:47.45 | Mark_ | md5 is 1 => 1 |
| 22:47.52 | \amethyst | however |
| 22:47.55 | Mark_ | thats why salting is important |
| 22:48.01 | infid | is sha256 too? |
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| 22:48.10 | \amethyst | infid: yes, that's what "hash" means |
| 22:48.15 | Mark_ | all of the hashes are going to produce the same output for a given input |
| 22:48.16 | infid | how do you salt it |
| 22:48.26 | \amethyst | infid: man 3 crypt |
| 22:48.30 | Mark_ | if my username is infid and my password is lol |
| 22:48.34 | simonrvn | man sha256sum ;p |
| 22:48.37 | Mark_ | i might hash 'lolinfid' |
| 22:48.40 | Mark_ | instead of just 'infid' |
| 22:48.43 | themill | ##crypto is over there ===> |
| 22:48.44 | Mark_ | err instead of just 'lol'** |
| 22:48.45 | chelz | woo! i wasn't sure if my server had ECC memory and it turns out it does :D |
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| 22:48.50 | infid | oh that's right i once knew that |
| 22:48.54 | infid | thanks for refreshing my mind heh |
| 22:49.00 | infid | forgot what the term was |
| 22:49.18 | simonrvn | stick infid on a clothesline to refresh his/her memory |
| 22:49.22 | infid | goes back to reading before the geeks dismember him |
| 22:49.25 | \amethyst | infid: in /etc/passwd the hashes are always salted... this multiplies the required size of rainbow tables by the number of bits in the salt |
| 22:49.26 | simonrvn | sticks* |
| 22:49.50 | infid | \amethyst: what are the /etc/passwd salted with, username+passwd? |
| 22:49.58 | \amethyst | infid: randomly-generated strings |
| 22:49.59 | Bushmills | infid: avocados |
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| 22:50.04 | lindi- | infid: random string |
| 22:50.29 | SerajewelKS | sea salt |
| 22:50.30 | \amethyst | infid: the salt is stored in the password hash, so when you check the password you get the salt from the hash and hash the user's input using the same salt |
| 22:50.35 | infid | where does the o/s store the salt |
| 22:50.40 | Bushmills | (good for memory) |
| 22:50.41 | infid | oh |
| 22:50.44 | SerajewelKS | infid: in /etc/shadow |
| 22:51.09 | infid | i see, i should known this since i create password systems php that tokenize strings together as a salt |
| 22:51.15 | infid | before hashing |
| 22:51.16 | \amethyst | infid: if you're using md5 or sha hashing, between the second and third dollar signs |
| 22:51.28 | zomgbie | hi good people! I've got a short and sweet question: is there another way to "downgrade" or slim down a debian server installation other than using aptitude or deselect or scripting something with apt-get? I just want a clean install without any running daemons other than ssh and then doing a dist-upgrade from debian 3 to lenny |
| 22:51.50 | infid | the beauty of irc is talking about this stuff so you can remember the terminology rather than having it just be some process you do without thinking |
| 22:52.03 | \amethyst | infid: with the ancient DES hash, it's stored as the first two chars |
| 22:52.04 | abrotman | zomgbie: you should go to etch(4.0) first |
| 22:52.11 | \amethyst | infid: man 3 crypt explains this in more detail |
| 22:52.18 | infid | thanks |
| 22:52.52 | lindi- | \amethyst: counting dollar signs won't work with extensions though? there can be four dollar signs if this "rounds=<N>$" extension is used |
| 22:53.46 | zomgbie | abrotman: thanks - how should go about it then - my vps debian 3 always tries to "upgrade" to X11 although I don't want this to happen at all. Is dselect still the way to go for in that case? |
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| 22:54.10 | abrotman | !tell zomgbie about sarge->etch |
| 22:54.15 | abrotman | !tell zomgbie about etch->lenny |
| 22:55.05 | \amethyst | lindi-: I didn't realize glibc crypt supported extensions like that |
| 22:55.32 | lindi- | \amethyst: it's in http://people.redhat.com/drepper/SHA-crypt.txt |
| 22:55.48 | themill | zomgbie: dpkg has a --clear-selections command. You should read the man page carefully to understand what it will do. But if you're going to go to this much trouble, perhaps a reinstall would be easier. |
| 22:55.51 | nsadmin | zomgbie: this is a pretty major change being recommended to you... you're advised to back up your entire storage first |
| 22:56.00 | lindi- | \amethyst: bit more complicated than I thought |
| 22:56.09 | \amethyst | lindi-: oh, as far as the crypt() function is concerned, I believe everything up to the last dollar sign is the 'salt' |
| 22:56.09 | chelz | this might be a silly question, but is there any method of logging in use when memory's ECC kicks in and halts the system? |
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| 22:56.36 | Chaos|Baghdad | Tramp: been a while since I've had this laptop online... |
| 22:56.41 | Chaos|Baghdad | 809 packages upgraded, 144 newly installed, 302 to remove and 8 not upgraded. |
| 22:56.41 | Chaos|Baghdad | Need to get 952MB of archives. After unpacking 43.8MB will be freed. |
| 22:56.47 | \amethyst | lindi-: I guess which part is the actual salt (as opposed to selecting the hash function, configuration, etc) would be up to the implementation |
| 22:57.06 | lindi- | \amethyst: sha512 as written in that file is the debian default nowadays afaik |
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| 22:57.43 | \amethyst | lindi-: ah, it's been a while since I've created a new user with a password in /etc/shadow |
| 22:58.00 | lindi- | \amethyst: 22 steps in the algorithm, a lot more complex than I thought :) |
| 22:58.09 | bsmith093 | u can do that |
| 22:58.15 | \amethyst | lindi-: most of that is handled for you by crypt() isn't it? |
| 22:58.22 | bsmith093 | don't you need to preencrypt it |
| 22:58.42 | lindi- | \amethyst: i guess |
| 22:59.33 | bsmith093 | i just opened my shadow its just gibberish with a lot of ::;::: |
| 22:59.42 | Chaos|Baghdad | \amethyst: what algorithm does ccrypt use? |
| 22:59.55 | lindi- | \amethyst: it's funny how everyone seems to copy&pate their hash implementation |
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| 23:00.10 | zomgbie | abrotman, themill and nsadmin: thanks a lot, exactly the pointers i needed. about the storage - no problem i reinstalled it anyway - problem is that my vps hoster is supplying sarge images only as initial installs so i have to patch up manually. |
| 23:00.15 | \amethyst | Chaos|Baghdad: google says rijndael (now known as AES) |
| 23:00.25 | Tramp | Chaos|Baghdad: uh. I honestly doubt you want to upgrade your box over this link .... |
| 23:00.32 | Tramp | update rather |
| 23:00.38 | Chaos|Baghdad | Tramp: why? |
| 23:00.42 | themill | zomgbie: sounds like they need to be dragged into the present. |
| 23:00.43 | \amethyst | as does aptitude show |
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| 23:01.03 | Tramp | Chaos|Baghdad: well - do you know your bandwidth? |
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| 23:01.06 | Chaos|Baghdad | Tramp: it's going to take a few days to download the packages but I've got to entertain myself |
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| 23:01.13 | Tramp | ah, ok ... |
| 23:01.16 | Chaos|Baghdad | Tramp: remember 28.8k modems and when they were the shit? |
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| 23:01.19 | zomgbie | themill - yeah it's a shame especially for somebody as bis as hosteurope |
| 23:01.25 | Chaos|Baghdad | Tramp: this connection makes me miss those days |
| 23:01.28 | bsmith093 | im thinking of installing debian which do i use tes\ting stable or unstable |
| 23:01.32 | Bl4ckBy73 | hody |
| 23:01.33 | zomgbie | s/bis/big/ |
| 23:01.35 | Tramp | Chaos|Baghdad: yep. In those days I used to buy CDs :) |
| 23:02.03 | Chaos|Baghdad | bsmith093: depending on your hardware I'd start out with stable, see if you like it before you go balls deep and use something deeper in |
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| 23:02.37 | Chaos|Baghdad | bsmith093: keep in mind though that certain packages aren't offered in the stable branch so some things based on your hardware might not be available |
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| 23:02.47 | bsmith093 | are u sure i cant just unetbootin the stable cd1 iso to a flash drive and boot from that |
| 23:02.57 | djura-san | im off. night :) |
| 23:02.59 | Chaos|Baghdad | and despite their names, testing and stable are both pretty damn stable, moreso than I can say for windows on a good day |
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| 23:03.03 | \amethyst | if you use unstable, you will become intimately familiar with Debian's packaging system... either that or you will break your system and give up |
| 23:03.16 | \amethyst | you'll break your system regardless, but you can learn a lot fixing it |
| 23:03.23 | Chaos|Baghdad | \amethyst: true dat |
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| 23:03.34 | bsmith093 | answer my question? |
| 23:03.49 | Tramp | Chaos|Baghdad: honestly, I don't know if I had the guts to update that many packages on sid while sitting in Baghdad .... |
| 23:04.03 | bsmith093 | can i just unetbootin the iso to a flash drive |
| 23:04.06 | Chaos|Baghdad | bsmith093: install stable then change everything in your sources.list that says stable to sid and then type in apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 23:04.13 | Chaos|Baghdad | then sit back and pray to god it works when you reboot |
| 23:04.19 | Chaos|Baghdad | bsmith093: that depends on your hardware |
| 23:04.42 | Chaos|Baghdad | bsmith093: my BIOS doesn't support booting off a flash drive, yours might |
| 23:04.59 | bsmith093 | isnt that the seat of the pants method of upgrading from one version to another? |
| 23:05.09 | SerajewelKS | Chaos|Baghdad: in the context of stable vs testing, stable does not mean "doesn't crash," it means "doesn't change" |
| 23:05.16 | themill | bsmith093: didn't both abrotman and wols answer your question when you first asked it? |
| 23:05.32 | abrotman | yes, i did |
| 23:05.49 | bsmith093 | so is it possible to just extract the iso to a usb stick an is that bootable |
| 23:05.58 | abrotman | bsmith093: and the bot told you how to do it |
| 23:06.04 | Chaos|Baghdad | bsmith093: if by seat of your pants you mean going from riding a bicycle with training wheels to riding a dirt bike in a motocross then sure |
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| 23:06.31 | bsmith093 | no actually that bot was next to useless |
| 23:06.38 | chelz | bsmith093: unetbootin |
| 23:06.41 | Chaos|Baghdad | SerajewelKS: I prefer to think of stable as "old" |
| 23:06.50 | bsmith093 | what about unetbootin |
| 23:06.52 | chelz | bsmith093: yeah unetbootin will work, that's what it does |
| 23:06.53 | abrotman | chelz: NO |
| 23:06.56 | chelz | what why |
| 23:07.01 | abrotman | why do people keep saying that .. it doesn't fucking work .. stop saying that |
| 23:07.06 | bsmith093 | alright u 2 which is it? |
| 23:07.07 | chelz | it's worked fine for me on every distro i've used |
| 23:07.13 | SerajewelKS | !u |
| 23:07.13 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 23:07.26 | chelz | abrotman: it installs syslinux and boots just fine, what issues have you had? |
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| 23:07.45 | wols | chelz: please stop blubbering if you have no clue |
| 23:07.52 | wols | chelz: /msg dpkg usb install |
| 23:07.54 | bsmith093 | it wont boot it acts like nothings there |
| 23:07.54 | abrotman | chelz: i do'nt use unetbootin .. i do it the correct way .. it doesn't work for the *hundreds* of people that ocme in here |
| 23:08.04 | wols | bsmith093: you've been told ages ago what to do. fucking do it! |
| 23:08.05 | chelz | eh alright. |
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| 23:08.15 | abrotman | they whine that "I used unetbootin and it doesn't work for some reason" .. |
| 23:08.23 | abrotman | stupid websites that dumb things down .. |
| 23:08.37 | chelz | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:09.04 | marcela | hi everybody. I was wondering if any of had had problems installing debian Lenny on a Prolinat DL585. I receive a "Your BIOS doesn't leave a aperture memory hole". Im using deban for AMD64 |
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| 23:09.42 | marcela | I've been googling for days about the "memory hole" problem but u havent found the answer. Any ideas? |
| 23:10.20 | chelz | i admit i haven't used unetbootin before with debian, but i'm gonna test unetbootin and debian right now since i'm quite curious why it wouldn't work. |
| 23:10.52 | nsadmin | marcela could you get into your bios settings and see them? |
| 23:10.53 | chelz | marcela: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-hardware-18/your-bios-doesnt-leave-a-aperture-memory-hole-624088/ |
| 23:10.53 | marcela | chelz, I tested unetbootin with lenny 5.04 and worked like a charm |
| 23:11.16 | chelz | marcela: ah, that's good to know |
| 23:11.16 | bsmith093 | ok if i extract the boot.img.gz file to the usb drive , it wiont kill the other partition i have on it will it? |
| 23:11.38 | chelz | i guess just the debian project doesn't want to officially support or recommend stuff that's not in the official docs, which makes sense |
| 23:11.42 | abrotman | bsmith093: why haven't you read the instructions yet? |
| 23:11.48 | bsmith093 | i did |
| 23:11.49 | abrotman | chelz: no .. it does not work |
| 23:12.02 | marcela | msaizar, Well I had done that already but I havent found a "memory hole" or simmilar option |
| 23:12.20 | marcela | msaizar, sorry it was for nsadmin |
| 23:12.29 | marcela | nsadmin, Well I had done that already but I havent found a "memory hole" or simmilar option |
| 23:12.41 | nsadmin | right, saw that |
| 23:12.42 | marcela | chelz, thanks for the link. I'll check it out |
| 23:12.43 | chelz | marcela: i got that forum as result one on http://www.google.com/search?q="+aperture+memory+hole" |
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| 23:12.54 | chelz | just for like future searching, if you were searching differently |
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| 23:13.22 | marcela | chelz, thanks for the tip :D |
| 23:14.20 | marcela | chelz, I had just checked the link and I had already read it. Didn't work :( |
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| 23:14.48 | chelz | marcela: do you not have that option in your bios? |
| 23:15.04 | marcela | chelz, no I do not |
| 23:15.24 | marcela | chelz, at lest not with that name |
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| 23:17.28 | marcela | According to the sites that I had read, the problem is common among 32bits computers, but not with 64 bits processors like the opteron |
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| 23:18.13 | chelz | marcela: there are lots of boot flags to try in here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1018854 |
| 23:18.22 | chelz | might work |
| 23:18.26 | nsadmin | interesting. so, which debian cd did you get? |
| 23:18.52 | marcela | Im using the regular CD 1 and also tried with the netinstall |
| 23:19.09 | nsadmin | what is its exact filename? |
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| 23:20.06 | marcela | nsadmin, 1 moment |
| 23:20.47 | marcela | nsadmin, http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.4/amd64/iso-cd/debian-504-amd64-CD-1.iso |
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| 23:20.56 | marcela | nsadmin, thats the 1 Im using |
| 23:22.07 | marcela | btw, Is it true that eventually debian will drop support for Xen. I friend of mine told me so, but I havent found anything about that |
| 23:23.21 | frostschutz | did debian ever support xen? :-O |
| 23:23.23 | msaizar | marcela, np |
| 23:24.00 | marcela | frostschutz, Im a newbie, so u better ask the experts ;) |
| 23:24.19 | chelz | there was talk out there about RHEL dropping Xen, i haven't heard anything about debian |
| 23:24.30 | nsadmin | well probably... someone has to maintain it and all the video drivers, a few of which don't seem to work with it |
| 23:24.42 | chelz | i do know debian is dropping vserver for lxc |
| 23:25.11 | nsadmin | what's the difference between xen and vserver>? |
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| 23:26.38 | chelz | xen and kvm are full virtualization, vserver and openvz are like bsd jails |
| 23:27.42 | marcela | chelz, In my work we are starting to evaluate virtualization technologies. We were happy with our Xen tests so far. but my friend told me what I just said |
| 23:28.02 | marcela | any thoughts about openvz? I tried it and at least has really good performance |
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| 23:28.32 | chelz | openvz does that whole thing where they maintain their own kernel, i'm personally not so into that. but i guess xen is similar in that respect. |
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| 23:29.06 | marcela | chelz, sounds interesting |
| 23:29.10 | chelz | "Red Hat Drops Xen for KVM in Red Hat Enterprise 6" was reported on Apr 22, 2010 |
| 23:29.40 | unkmar | I installed a base system from a net install disk without network. My sources.list only references the CD. what is the best way to fix this? |
| 23:29.52 | marcela | chelz, yeap I read that. And its the reason because I belived in friends comment |
| 23:31.08 | lautriv | unkmar nano /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 23:31.14 | chelz | marcela: well depends on the kind of 'support' you're talking about. i know that debian is providing some kind of upgrade path for people on vservers to lxc so that's kind of the best support, but i haven't heard of anything like that with kvm or xen. as long as xen gets packaged for debian i think it counts as 'supported'. |
| 23:31.15 | tyr | hi, i'm having problems with ifeq in a makefile. when i run make debug, i will get: word unexpected (expecting ")"). you can find it at http://www.mikrocontroller.net/attachment/57243/Makefile |
| 23:31.50 | Cain | !tell unkmar about sources.list |
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| 23:32.27 | marcela | chelz, according to your experience whats the mos popular virtualization technology in debian? Im curious |
| 23:32.31 | chelz | marcela: http://wiki.debian.org/LXC and http://wiki.debian.org/SystemVirtualization |
| 23:32.44 | marcela | XD |
| 23:32.47 | marcela | thanx |
| 23:33.11 | chelz | marcela: i actually have no idea. depends on one's use case. personally i don't really get why someone would go kvm/xen if it's going to be linux on linux. i mean if windows or some non-linux is needed okay |
| 23:33.15 | nsadmin | lxc works pretty good? |
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| 23:34.12 | chelz | i haven't played around with it yet but i want to. just have to think of some uses for it. like i might try to run ubuntu in lxc, gui and all, as a guide on lenny or something. |
| 23:34.24 | abrotman | tyr: does it tell you which line ? |
| 23:34.52 | chelz | marcela: i'm not sure how often it happens but since vserver is being deprecated there's all this stuff about tools being provided for a smooth migration from vserver to lxc. |
| 23:34.54 | nsadmin | marcela: for "most popular" type questions debian made pkg called popularity-contest which puts data on a central server somewhere |
| 23:35.06 | abrotman | popcon.debian.org |
| 23:35.23 | marcela | nsadmin, abrotman thanx guys |
| 23:35.53 | tyr | no, but the complete output is: ifeq (simulavr,simulavr) sh: Syntax error: word unexpected (expecting ")") |
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| 23:36.41 | nsadmin | that's ifeq syntax? what language is that? |
| 23:38.22 | abrotman | tyr: i only see two lines .. seem fine ? |
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| 23:38.56 | tyr | there seem to be other persons with the same problem, but their solution doesn't work for me, http://cboard.cprogramming.com/cplusplus-programming/96720-conditional-compilation-object-files-makefile.html#post699010 |
| 23:39.37 | nsadmin | tyr: what language is this you're writing in? C? bash? |
| 23:41.50 | tyr | well, i'm writing C sources for a mcu, but its the Makefile giving me trouble. i have never used ifeq in a makefile myself before |
| 23:42.16 | nsadmin | tyr: ok, which make are you using? which are you expecting? |
| 23:42.37 | unkmar | I have not made myself clear. I am at tty, do not have a browser other than wget and my sources.list only references the NETINST CD which does not have a browser. |
| 23:42.46 | tyr | make debug |
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| 23:43.13 | unkmar | I an have debian lenny. |
| 23:43.19 | unkmar | I am running Lenny. |
| 23:43.26 | nsadmin | unkmar: so, you have debian lenny base install? |
| 23:43.41 | unkmar | nsadmin: yes. |
| 23:44.02 | nsadmin | ok, is your networking working? |
| 23:44.10 | abrotman | tyr: you might want to ask ##c .. |
| 23:44.15 | tyr | ah, i think its line 455 that produces the error |
| 23:44.21 | unkmar | nsadmin: Yes. I am chatting with you via ssh to another system. |
| 23:44.24 | civillian | unkmar, try lynx or links, they are console web browsers and will usually get the basic job done |
| 23:44.46 | abrotman | unkmar: where are you geographically ? |
| 23:45.04 | unkmar | civillian: previously stated. NO browser installed other than wget. |
| 23:45.11 | unkmar | abrotman: Chattanooga, TN. |
| 23:45.25 | chelz | unkmar: did you install without the machine connected to the internet? |
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| 23:45.33 | abrotman | unkmar: moment |
| 23:45.39 | abrotman | unkmar: which version of debian ? |
| 23:45.50 | nsadmin | unkmar: abrotman is going to give you lines to put in sources.list, you'll want to comment out the line referring to the cde |
| 23:46.00 | abrotman | he doesn't have to |
| 23:46.01 | nsadmin | lenny |
| 23:46.09 | unkmar | nsadmin: I understand. abrotman lenny. |
| 23:46.40 | nsadmin | if he doesn't, it'll ask for it from time to time... |
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| 23:47.05 | unkmar | which is why you said that I would *WANT* to. |
| 23:47.42 | abrotman | unkmar: i'm trying to find one near you |
| 23:47.42 | nsadmin | right |
| 23:47.42 | icebrain | dpkg (the bot) has a link to a txt with all the mirrors, wget should be enough to retrieve it... |
| 23:47.42 | dpkg | You are person #2 to send an unparseable request, icebrain |
| 23:47.42 | unkmar | abrotman: gatech. |
| 23:47.42 | chelz | marcela: did you find a solution to that aperture error? |
| 23:47.42 | abrotman | unkmar: i thought there was one in TN |
| 23:48.02 | unkmar | abrotman: I don't know if there is one in TN. I know that gatech is (Atlanta, GA)? 2 hours away. |
| 23:48.02 | marcela | chelz, no. sadly no :( But Im still working on that |
| 23:48.20 | chelz | marcela: are you not able to boot the cd or an installed system? |
| 23:48.26 | abrotman | unkmar: i think i give up :) |
| 23:48.55 | marcela | chelz, actually Im able to install the OS but it hangs when it boots |
| 23:48.58 | unkmar | icebrain: I had too much fun trying to navigate to the mirrors list and figure out how to modify my sources list appropriately. |
| 23:49.05 | nsadmin | gatech should be close |
| 23:49.05 | abrotman | unkmar: "deb http://ftp.gtlib.gatech.edu/debian/ lenny main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main" |
| 23:49.22 | marcela | chelz, it shows the "memory hole" error before starting the debian installer |
| 23:49.33 | abrotman | kind of wishes that the list of mirrors had the states/provinces |
| 23:49.39 | icebrain | unkmar: /msg dpkg mirrors, write down the txt's url, wget it directly.. |
| 23:49.41 | unkmar | abrotman: you are missing volatile. Not sure how the line goes. Just know it belongs. |
| 23:49.51 | abrotman | unkmar: start with those two .. |
| 23:49.56 | unkmar | abrotman: OK. |
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| 23:50.26 | chelz | marcela: in grub you can try pressing e and putting some of those boot flags after your kernel in there from that forum thread |
| 23:50.39 | [Jasper] | hej guys, is there anyone here who has experience with openvz? |
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| 23:50.42 | {coolface} | Poof! |
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| 23:50.55 | marcela | chelz, thats exactrly what I had done, but without success |
| 23:51.31 | abrotman | [Jasper]: ask your real questoin .. |
| 23:52.39 | chelz | marcela: i'd make sure you try all the suggested flags. based on the errors you get booting from you might be able to google for more helpful info. |
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| 23:53.59 | icebrain | I think Uni of Tennessee has a mirror: http://mira.sunsite.utk.edu/debian/ |
| 23:54.04 | marcela | chelz, I'll try with the other flags on monday and see what happens. As u say, it will probably show some useful output |
| 23:54.13 | [Jasper] | abrotman what could be the cause for the route command to take 50 seconds |
| 23:54.17 | [Jasper] | to display a very very simple table? |
| 23:54.28 | abrotman | try route -n |
| 23:54.29 | [Jasper] | and ping request to a certain domain not working |
| 23:54.35 | [Jasper] | that's fast.. |
| 23:54.48 | [Jasper] | but I also can't ping to for example www.google.com |
| 23:54.54 | abrotman | then your DNS is broken |
| 23:55.11 | [Jasper] | that's what I thought also...didn't change anything though.. |
| 23:55.12 | [Jasper] | hm |
| 23:55.17 | unkmar | icebrain: is that Knoxville? just about as close as Nashville or Ga. I will look for that when I have a browser again. thank you. |
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| 23:55.48 | icebrain | unkmar: dunno where it is, I just found a reference to it on Sidux |
| 23:55.53 | abrotman | icebrain: maybe they should have that added to the official list ? |
| 23:56.13 | unkmar | icebrain: utk. I am pretty sure that the K is for Knoxville. |
| 23:56.26 | abrotman | it is |
| 23:56.40 | abrotman | that version of RH they're running is pretty darn old (about as old as etch) |
| 23:56.47 | icebrain | abrotman: yeah, they should. They have quite a mirror, lots of distros there |
| 23:57.22 | abrotman | they don't have any contact info .. oh well |
| 23:57.38 | abrotman | i guess it's just a sunsite mirror |
| 23:58.38 | icebrain | there's info@sunsite.utk.edu, maybe that'll work? |
| 23:58.43 | unkmar | nsadmin: I gave up on squeeze for now. Too many things that I was using appeared to be missing. conky, apci battery support, and other tidbits I didn't write down. |
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