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| 00:03.08 | MoMo | (i'm still learning linux) i have a wireless card in my laptop -- LSPCI says it is a PRO/Wireless 2200BG [Calexico2] card ... how do i load the module for this card ? modprobe? |
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| 00:04.00 | amphi | !ip2200 |
| 00:04.05 | amphi | !ipw2200 |
| 00:04.05 | dpkg | ipw2200 is the driver for Intel PRO/Wireless 2200 and 2915 802.11a/bg chipsets, included in Linux since 2.6.15. Firmware is required, ask me about <non-free sources> and install the firmware-ipw2x00 package to provide. http://wiki.debian.org/ipw2200 #ipw2100 on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 00:06.44 | MoMo | amphi -- i don't udnerstand |
| 00:07.23 | amphi | MoMo: the driver needs firmware to function |
| 00:07.53 | MoMo | okay -- i kind of was thinking that ... but what does it mean by non-free sources and install firmware-ipw2x00 package? |
| 00:08.10 | brammator | this firmware isnt free |
| 00:08.17 | amphi | read the wiki link dpkg gave above |
| 00:09.16 | brammator | so it's against the law to include it in licensed distro. so there's non-free source that you can use on your own risk. |
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| 00:10.43 | dondelelcaro | brammator: no, it just means that for some reason that piece of software doesn't meet the Debian Free Software Guidlines, but Debian can still distribute it |
| 00:10.51 | MoMo | okay -- this is where i get sketchy (the pc i'm on now, IRC is windows xp) the card is my wifi card on the laptop so i have to sneaker-net it with a thumb drive ... thats possible yes? |
| 00:11.01 | bleepbloop | I'm trying to edit my slim.theme file and/or my slim.conf files with emacs, but each time I try to save my changes, it tells me I can't save the file because it's 'write protected'. how can I turn the write protection off, or rather how can I simply save my changes? |
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| 00:11.34 | amphi | MoMo: you can't connect the laptop by ethernet cable? |
| 00:12.04 | chelz | MoMo: yeah connecting through an ethernet cable and working that way really is the recommended way |
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| 00:12.59 | MoMo | i could connect via ethernet -- its very difficult but it is possible |
| 00:13.50 | chelz | MoMo: difficult how? just plug in and make the first thing you do to get wireless working |
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| 00:14.15 | icebrain | the package doesn't have much dependencies, why can't he simply get the deb? |
| 00:14.18 | MoMo | chelz: difficult as in you don't know my physical setup so it is physcially difficult due to the port numbers and locations -- thanks though |
| 00:14.26 | befghh | !blackporta |
| 00:14.30 | icebrain | http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/non-free/f/firmware-nonfree/firmware-ipw2x00_0.14+lenny2_all.deb |
| 00:14.40 | unkmar | chelz: distances, sitting in uncomfortable places and positions are likely reasons for the word, Difficult. |
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| 00:15.00 | befghh | !help |
| 00:15.06 | chelz | a long enough ethernet cable, and iirc ethernet maxes out around 250ft, tend to handle that kind of stuff |
| 00:15.25 | chelz | if a person doesn't have a 100ft ethernet cable lying around i don't know how to help them :P |
| 00:15.50 | icebrain | !wayttd befghh |
| 00:15.50 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, befghh? |
| 00:15.52 | unkmar | MoMo: my suggestion is usually to either have a wifi extender that is already setup for you network. or to go wired long enough to get the wireless working. |
| 00:15.55 | MoMo | chelz: what may work for you may not work for others on top of which the subject matter is in regards to my wireless card -- which defeats the whole purpose if i can just run a wire ... why would i go through the trouble |
| 00:16.07 | chelz | MoMo: you would be surprised |
| 00:16.11 | MoMo | whats a wifi extender |
| 00:16.31 | amphi | MoMo: icebrain gave the url for the fw package, so you could just sneakernet it already ;) |
| 00:16.53 | MoMo | amphi: which is what i'm working on right now |
| 00:17.01 | chelz | MoMo: like an apple airport express. a little device that has an ethernet port and connects to a wireless network. like a wifi adapter only through ethernet |
| 00:17.03 | amphi | good-oh |
| 00:17.17 | unkmar | MoMo: a wireless device that extends wireless singles. They have a wired connection for both configuration and providing a wired signal to a remote location. |
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| 00:18.02 | MoMo | okay cool |
| 00:18.12 | unkmar | MoMo: I am currently using a wireless extender because I have not yet configured my wifi card. |
| 00:18.37 | unkmar | chelz: MoMo: Sitting in the hallway is not cool :P |
| 00:18.59 | chelz | ehh can't take *that* long to get wireless working :) |
| 00:19.02 | icebrain | uses a 20 meters ethernet cable across the house |
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| 00:20.19 | unkmar | icebrain: I could attempt that, but hearing my gf fuss after tripping over the wire and causing a small earthquake with aftershocks is also not cool. |
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| 00:22.35 | icebrain | unkmar: I have a dropped ceiling in my corridor, I just pass it through that :) |
| 00:23.24 | krisfremen | unkmar: she big huh? :P |
| 00:25.51 | unkmar | krisfremen: not too bad, but yeah. |
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| 00:26.55 | ballard4552 | #debian hi |
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| 00:26.57 | ballard4552 | #debian hi |
| 00:27.05 | icebrain | hi, ballard4552 |
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| 00:28.03 | ballard455 | #debian hi |
| 00:28.22 | elik | bot bot bot |
| 00:28.40 | elik | did we all get a private message from this asshole? |
| 00:28.51 | unkmar | elik: nope. |
| 00:28.51 | chelz | i didn't |
| 00:29.02 | abrotman | elik: from who ? |
| 00:29.02 | icebrain | me neither |
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| 00:29.20 | elik | abrotman, ballard455 |
| 00:29.20 | abrotman | ballard455: who owns you ? |
| 00:29.28 | elik | abrotman, ballard4552 actually |
| 00:29.32 | elik | but still |
| 00:29.33 | abrotman | ballard4552: who owns you ? |
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| 00:29.42 | abrotman | ballard4552: what are you? |
| 00:29.54 | elik | both are PircBot@cpe-74-71-95-160.twcny.res.rr.com |
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| 00:30.03 | abrotman | i can see that |
| 00:30.22 | abrotman | !hostmask abrotman |
| 00:30.37 | abrotman | nevermind .. we don't need another bot |
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| 00:31.27 | icebrain | btw, dpkg on freenode is not working, but it works in oftc |
| 00:31.53 | abrotman | dpkg: hi |
| 00:31.53 | dpkg | salut, abrotman |
| 00:31.59 | icebrain | I take that back, now it does, sorry |
| 00:32.16 | elik | a french bot, awesome |
| 00:32.36 | abrotman | dpkg: hi |
| 00:32.36 | dpkg | que tal |
| 00:33.28 | chelz | !tell chelz about sources.list |
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| 00:34.27 | abrotman | !tell chelz about selftell |
| 00:35.41 | pseubodot | tell abrotman about iaaf! |
| 00:35.51 | abrotman | hehe |
| 00:35.55 | abrotman | waves at pseubodot |
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| 00:36.25 | pseubodot | waves back |
| 00:36.35 | pseubodot | I've been using approx |
| 00:36.44 | pseubodot | so far so good |
| 00:36.44 | abrotman | lovely app! |
| 00:37.06 | pseubodot | I'm using a USB key for the package cache |
| 00:37.14 | jhutchins_lt | iaaf |
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| 00:37.22 | jhutchins_lt | Sorry. |
| 00:37.28 | sussudio | !french elik |
| 00:37.51 | jhutchins_lt | pseubodot: fsnort. |
| 00:38.02 | pseubodot | the idea being that when it comes time to do an install, I have the packages already |
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| 00:38.11 | pseubodot | googles fsnort |
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| 00:38.56 | chelz | abrotman: is the one i did the dpkg message that's the list of stuff for sources.list? |
| 00:38.57 | pseubodot | nothing interesting |
| 00:39.13 | abrotman | chelz: did you read what the bot said ? |
| 00:39.28 | chelz | yeah, wasn't a list though |
| 00:39.39 | chelz | but i guess is a place to start |
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| 00:40.02 | pseubodot | ... and nothing on fm either |
| 00:40.18 | chelz | just i've had the issue too where i had an empty sources.list and was looking just for a default file. i really don't know why just an example file isn't provided anywhere, what could it hurt? |
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| 00:42.38 | pseubodot | chelz: man 5 sources.list |
| 00:45.37 | elik | sussudio, huh? |
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| 00:48.00 | MoMo | so i now have that deb on a flash drive -- but i've never mounted a flash drive before ... what do i mount /dev/? |
| 00:48.28 | elik | MoMo, check dmesg |
| 00:48.57 | abrotman | chelz: it gives you the link to the list of mirrors ? |
| 00:48.57 | chelz | debian is an interesting choice of distros to start learning from. not on a vm either no less. |
| 00:49.00 | elik | MoMo, depending on your setup, it might also be automatically mounted under /media/blah |
| 00:49.18 | abrotman | chelz: or .. see "/msg dpkg mirrors" for a link to a list |
| 00:49.24 | MoMo | oo sg0 =) |
| 00:50.00 | MoMo | i lied |
| 00:50.01 | MoMo | sda1 |
| 00:50.02 | MoMo | thanks! |
| 00:50.06 | elik | makes more sense |
| 00:53.17 | MoMo | so now that i have all the debs untarred -- what do i do? |
| 00:55.46 | nsadmin | what do you want to do? |
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| 00:56.34 | MoMo | sorry nsadmin: this is in regards to ipw2200 intel wireless drivers. they said i needed the nonfree firmware -- so i downloaded the deb and sneakernetted it to the laptop |
| 00:56.43 | chelz | i want to find some kind of universal sparse image format in the linux world |
| 00:56.49 | nsadmin | oh ok |
| 00:56.57 | nsadmin | you could try installing the package |
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| 00:57.43 | MoMo | sorry, also to add i'm new to linux so i'm not sure how this works |
| 00:58.36 | nsadmin | well a .deb is a unit of software that can be installed on a debian |
| 00:58.58 | MoMo | okay -- i'm familier with apt-get ... but i'm not sure how to manually install a deb file |
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| 00:59.11 | amphi | dpkg -i foo.deb |
| 00:59.11 | dpkg | package foo.deb is already installed |
| 00:59.13 | nsadmin | take a look at dpkg --help |
| 01:00.07 | nsadmin | probably installing a .deb is near the top |
| 01:00.09 | unkmar | how can I get rid of these warning messages I keep getting because of my wireless card? |
| 01:00.33 | unkmar | they appear as a sort of wall error. Doesn't care which tty I am on. |
| 01:00.47 | chelz | i had that for a while until i installed this firmware |
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| 01:00.55 | chelz | solve the issue and they'll go away |
| 01:01.24 | amphi | unkmar: dmesg -n1 will stop it spamming all your VTs |
| 01:01.56 | chelz | i did not know about that. that is cool. |
| 01:02.11 | unkmar | amphi: thank you. |
| 01:02.14 | abrotman | unkmar: what's the actual error ? |
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| 01:02.36 | unkmar | abrotman: it is probably dropping packets. |
| 01:03.06 | unkmar | Unexpected value for chanstat. |
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| 01:04.40 | unkmar | b43legacy-phy0 warning: Unexpected value for chanstat (0x7C00) |
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| 01:05.32 | Chrisbert | Is there any way to make iptables (especially in debian) make any fucking sense? |
| 01:05.58 | chelz | b43 yeah good times. i think i had either the same or something similar. had to apt-get some fwcutter thing |
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| 01:06.36 | Chrisbert | I'm trying to make a nat router |
| 01:06.50 | unkmar | chelz: yeah, well, I use to do that, until that stopped working. thankfully I still have the old fireware files stashed away. |
| 01:06.55 | MoMo | cool -- i'm up thanks. |
| 01:07.01 | unkmar | s/firewire/firmwire/ |
| 01:07.45 | Chrisbert | Is there anyone here for whom iptables makes any sense at all? |
| 01:08.01 | unkmar | I'll stop using the b43 when it stops working or I get another laptop. Not going to bother getting another card. |
| 01:08.08 | chelz | Chrisbert: something like openfiler might be more what you're into. nice simple webui. |
| 01:08.21 | chelz | unkmar: heh that's the spirit |
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| 01:09.03 | Chrisbert | Uh, I don't need a storage server. |
| 01:09.06 | Chrisbert | I need a NAT router |
| 01:09.08 | abrotman | Chrisbert: you might want to be more descriptive .. netfilter.org and lartc.org have lots of docs though |
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| 01:09.35 | Chrisbert | abrotman: The documentation needs to be more descriptive |
| 01:09.54 | abrotman | okay .. though it has worked for tons of people ... |
| 01:09.54 | Chrisbert | instead of just showing archaic setups you're not likely to have. |
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| 01:10.21 | nsadmin | ipmasq is a nat router |
| 01:10.34 | unkmar | Chrisbert: and I had setup m0nowall because it was just easy to do. You really need to know exactlly what you are trying to accomplish. |
| 01:10.50 | unkmar | *m0n0wall. |
| 01:10.53 | Chrisbert | Yeah, I do know what I want to accomplish |
| 01:11.09 | nsadmin | you set up your interfaces and install ipmasq, and it calculates a nat firewall |
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| 01:11.20 | abrotman | nat router ? |
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| 01:11.29 | Chrisbert | I want to take my one internet ip address, assigned by dhcp by my isp, and allow multiple computer in an internal network to use that connection |
| 01:11.41 | lontra | does anyone know of a similar app to .. http://macfreedom.com/ .. for linux? |
| 01:11.44 | abrotman | !nat |
| 01:11.44 | dpkg | Network Address Translation. See also <ipmasq>, or patented by CISCO, or ipmasq is not exactly like NAT, the former is more flexible while the latter gains widely recognition. See also <netfilter docs> or $BROWSER /usr/share/doc/iptables/html/NAT-HOWTO-4.html#ss4.1, or http://www.cs.utk.edu/~moore/what-nats-break.html, or configured easily with a GUI using either the 'guidedog' or 'guarddog' packages. |
| 01:11.46 | unkmar | Chrisbert: are you trying to setup an existing system to "double" as nat router? |
| 01:11.48 | Chrisbert | Which, I though was what I said when I said "NAT router" |
| 01:11.59 | Chrisbert | unkmar: I'm trying to set one up from scratch |
| 01:12.12 | Chrisbert | a fresh install |
| 01:12.17 | abrotman | lontra: you want your computer to not let you do stuff ? |
| 01:12.38 | Chrisbert | or it was until I tried about a half dozen things that are supposed to be frontend or set that up for you |
| 01:12.44 | chelz | Chrisbert: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Gateway/routing/firewall_distribution |
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| 01:12.55 | chelz | if you want things done for you then pick a distro that actually does that |
| 01:13.07 | abrotman | wtf .. that's dumb |
| 01:13.09 | lontra | abrotman: yes :) ... i want debian to not let me get on the internet when i'm at the university and should be doing research. i know instead i should have self-discipline ... |
| 01:13.17 | Chrisbert | chelz: Yeah, you know, several people recommend debian for this |
| 01:13.27 | abrotman | lontra: can't you just .. bring the interface down ? |
| 01:13.39 | lontra | i suppose |
| 01:13.40 | Chrisbert | How do people use iptables where you can't find any clear documentation? |
| 01:13.56 | abrotman | http://netfilter.org/documentation/HOWTO//NAT-HOWTO.html |
| 01:14.00 | chelz | Chrisbert: man iptables ? |
| 01:14.23 | abrotman | lontra: there used to be an app to cause your screen to lock, but i don't know that's what you're looking for |
| 01:14.35 | chelz | Chrisbert: if manpages aren't enough for you then you really need to pick something else. those people recommending debian were wrong then. now hop to. monowall, smoothwall, ipcop, untangle, etc. |
| 01:15.01 | abrotman | chelz: is smoothwall a distro ? |
| 01:15.18 | chelz | abrotman: i am not sure |
| 01:15.21 | chelz | Chrisbert: http://www.zeroshell.net/eng/ |
| 01:15.24 | abrotman | right .. |
| 01:15.39 | chelz | i don't like people who don't want to learn wanting to be walked through stuff tho |
| 01:15.41 | nsadmin | Chrisbert: there's very clear docs... and, you don't need to touch iptables if you don't want to |
| 01:15.48 | Chrisbert | none of these support both upnp and ipv6 |
| 01:15.51 | MoMo | what is the process to trouble shoot sound? |
| 01:15.54 | abrotman | chelz: and yet .. you're linking him to all kinds of crap to avoid actually reading ... |
| 01:16.01 | amphi | !alsa checklist |
| 01:16.01 | dpkg | 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 2) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels & toggle jack sense) 3) arts or esound stopped? 4) OSS modules unloaded? 5) speakers on? 6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 7) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. See also <list alsa users>. |
| 01:16.11 | amphi | MoMo: ^^ |
| 01:16.15 | Chrisbert | chelz: I *want* to learn. However, that requires documentation that actually explains things a little bit. |
| 01:16.39 | abrotman | Chrisbert: perhaps you should be asking #netfilter for better tutorials? |
| 01:16.42 | nsadmin | look for "rusty's remarkably unreliable guides" |
| 01:16.43 | amphi | Chrisbert: netfilter.org has much info |
| 01:17.00 | abrotman | i already gave him that URL |
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| 01:18.07 | nsadmin | Chrisbert, so you want to write it yourself? |
| 01:18.31 | Chrisbert | At this point, I'll taking "working" |
| 01:18.42 | Chrisbert | er... I'll take "working" |
| 01:18.54 | chelz | I am will be taking working* |
| 01:18.58 | nsadmin | so ipmasq doesn't do ipv6 and this other thing, pnp? |
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| 01:19.08 | Chrisbert | upnp |
| 01:19.14 | Chrisbert | and linux-igd does that |
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| 01:19.56 | HandyGandy | lontra: I believe it is even simpler. Save an encrypted form of your password in a file. Make two cron jobs. One that logs in as root, shut downs your network and changes your root password to something random. the second one scheduled for later logs in as oort, changes the pasword back and restores your internet. |
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| 01:20.30 | Chrisbert | forget it |
| 01:20.42 | Chrisbert | I've already burned the whold fucking day trying to figure this shit out |
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| 01:21.09 | chelz | ok just for the record, notice how i sized him up instantly. he wasn't going to read anything, he wanted it done for him, which means another distro. |
| 01:21.16 | chelz | cough |
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| 01:21.43 | unkmar | Lol, wimp. I've burned 5 days trying to get this laptop back to my version of normal. |
| 01:21.44 | abrotman | it has nothing to do with another distro |
| 01:21.51 | abrotman | chelz: the distro wasn't the problem .. at all |
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| 01:22.23 | chelz | abrotman: a distro that did stuff for him would let him have some sort of thing setup without learning a bunch he didn't want to |
| 01:22.38 | abrotman | chelz: he said he wanted to learn .. not everyone is capable of learning |
| 01:22.49 | nsadmin | iptables rules aren't the most easy thing to understand either |
| 01:23.07 | abrotman | yeah, but netfilter.org has a few howtos/tutorials .. it's not that hard |
| 01:23.48 | chelz | abrotman: oh, yeah he was lying to himself and us on that. regardless of his ability to learn or not, a person that either can't or won't is much more suited to a distro that holds one's hand. for a person like that to get what they want, they would need a handholding distro. |
| 01:24.14 | abrotman | no, they don't .. it still won't work |
| 01:24.33 | abrotman | he'll just whine when it doesn't work right .. and because it held his hand .. he'll get confused about why it doesn't work and scrap the whole thing |
| 01:24.35 | chelz | well not in the long run if anything breaking |
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| 01:25.10 | chelz | yeah but as long as it doesn't break, it's working for him |
| 01:25.13 | chelz | eh well |
| 01:25.21 | abrotman | wow .. as long as it doesn't break .. it'll work .. thanks |
| 01:25.49 | nsadmin | if it's already working and it doesn't break, it should be ok :) |
| 01:26.43 | chelz | abrotman: well yeah, and simply having something that's working is more than what he has now |
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| 01:27.13 | abrotman | chelz: the tutorials are very simple ... if he can't follow those, he's got other issues |
| 01:27.24 | chelz | i'm looking at it from the perspective of making the best of the situation. it might break, but hey, if it doesn't then his problem was solved. plus supposedly those distros work really well for a lot of people so i assume they don't break often. |
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| 01:28.02 | abrotman | i'll guess you haven't read the howtos or tutorials either ... |
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| 01:28.14 | chelz | i've read the ones i've needed to |
| 01:28.16 | chelz | abrotman: not everyone has the patience or drive or w/e. same reason some people like ubuntu and some like linux from scratch. |
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| 01:28.20 | chelz | is all i'm saying |
| 01:28.52 | abrotman | the NAT howto has maybe seven or eight sections? shows you how to use a dozen commands .. that's pretty damn easy |
| 01:29.05 | abrotman | just accepts that chelz doesn't get it |
| 01:30.41 | chelz | abrotman: i think this is a very good example of the divide between people that want to cater to the unwashed masses and those that don't. |
| 01:31.10 | chelz | i find it interesting since it comes up a lot in ubuntu circles |
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| 01:32.17 | abrotman | chelz: right .. keep treating people like idiots and they'll be happy .. great plan |
| 01:32.20 | unkmar | I am one of those that is trying to get to the linux from scratch level. but I know to pace myself. Learn a little along the way. I was a Mandrake, then Ubuntu user. I love using gnome. but have since been adapt at using fluxbox, openbox and at times nothing more than X and a terminal. |
| 01:32.51 | unkmar | right now, I have no X at all. but I still don't handle compiling and many configuration items very well. Yet. |
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| 01:33.45 | chelz | abrotman: if you have a few minutes you might be interested in this: http://www.theodoregray.com/BrainRot/ |
| 01:34.18 | MoMo | hmm i followed all those steps but sound still isn't working |
| 01:34.58 | abrotman | uh yeah |
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| 01:36.53 | abrotman | chelz: why would that be interesting ? |
| 01:37.05 | HandyGandy | Sigh. Is there a way of preventing an application from swapping out others? |
| 01:37.19 | chelz | abrotman: that's in reference to "treating users like idiots" and it presents a certain perspective on it |
| 01:37.42 | abrotman | HandyGandy: swapping out of RAM and into swap ? |
| 01:37.48 | abrotman | chelz: yes .. and what? |
| 01:37.57 | HandyGandy | abrotman: Exactly. |
| 01:38.16 | chelz | abrotman: well did you read it? |
| 01:38.28 | abrotman | HandyGandy: less apps? more RAM? i don't think there's a way to tell the system that one process must stay in RAM |
| 01:38.35 | abrotman | chelz: it's nothing very interesting |
| 01:39.06 | HandyGandy | For some reason there seems to be a rather natsy memory leak in vlc which causes it to eat up memory and cause other apps to swap out. |
| 01:39.14 | unkmar | I have been known to treat the phone tech support that was trying to help me like idiots. Unfortunately they usually are idiots. :( |
| 01:39.41 | HandyGandy | Untill vlc crashes or is killed. Then I have to wait for all the other apps to swap back in. |
| 01:40.02 | chelz | abrotman: well you probably don't agree with it, but i found the point that people simply don't need to know everything it takes to survive and progress means specialization which means knowing and learning less and less about certain things that used to be very crucial. people don't need to know how a telephone works to use one. |
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| 01:40.32 | abrotman | chelz: the guy came in here specifically asking how to do something .. he should learn it when he's specifically asking about it |
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| 01:41.09 | abrotman | actually .. not asking .. whining :) |
| 01:41.39 | chelz | abrotman: well it's the difference between someone saying "i want to talk to someone else over the telephone network", debian and setting up iptables is more along the lines of building a telephone, which i would say is wrong (esp for newish users), where instead i would say go buy a telephone |
| 01:41.53 | chelz | which is what downloading a specialized distro, and many fine ones exist, would be |
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| 01:42.29 | chelz | he didn't *need* to learn iptables to get what he wanted. he just wanted a firewall, apparently didn't care what kind or how it was setup. |
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| 01:42.52 | abrotman | no, he did .. or he would have spent more time looking for frontends instead of trying to use iptables directly |
| 01:43.23 | bleepbloop | will holding down Ctrl-Alt-F1 when booting up boot me directly into the CLI? |
| 01:43.30 | unkmar | I agree with abrotman. He wanted to learn. but was incredibly frustated with the time it was taking to grasp the problem. |
| 01:43.50 | abrotman | bleepbloop: not if you have X starting magically, but you can use single user mode |
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| 01:44.18 | unkmar | wols: welcom bac. |
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| 01:44.42 | bleepbloop | abrotman, what do you mean by 'X starting magically'? |
| 01:45.18 | nsadmin | do you get a login screen? |
| 01:45.27 | nsadmin | that would be one form of magic startup |
| 01:46.03 | bleepbloop | no, I didn't get a login scree; that's the reason for me wanting to know how to boot into the CLI directly |
| 01:46.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | HandyGandy, actually, I think there is... but only the other way around, you can prevent a single process from being swapped out, but you cannot prevent one process from swapping out any others (that can't work, because if there's not enough space something *has* to be swapped out, else you can't run the program at all) |
| 01:46.10 | bleepbloop | screen* |
| 01:46.36 | nsadmin | wait, it doesn't have you type your login and passwd? |
| 01:47.58 | bleepbloop | no, I screwed up SLiMs config file or the theme's file |
| 01:48.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | HandyGandy, the only way you can get what you want is: set a low hard limit on virtual memory size for that process and it'll be killed if it needs more than that |
| 01:48.14 | bleepbloop | but fixing it should be no problem if I can just get to the command line |
| 01:48.24 | nsadmin | oh ok, so does X start? |
| 01:49.13 | HandyGandy | CutMeOwnThroat: My thought was that I could set a priority on the process where if apps are being swpped out I could swap it out first. |
| 01:49.45 | bleepbloop | yeah I think it is, i get the black and white checkered screen with the cursor, so I'm pretty positive its just something I did to the slim config file |
| 01:50.03 | HandyGandy | CutMeOwnThroat: Will that work, it's not virtual memory to the process I want to limit but real memory. |
| 01:50.07 | nsadmin | try ctrl-alt-F1 when you get that |
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| 01:51.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, it'll only need to swap out other processes if it needs more than a certain amount of total memory.... or so one would assume |
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| 01:51.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | generally I feel swapping is something one best leaves his hands off |
| 01:52.01 | bleepbloop | sweet, I'll try that right now, thanks nsadmin! |
| 01:52.49 | HandyGandy | If my table ever gets clean enough, I will download the source to vlc recompile and have it make a core dump when killed. Then I can see where the leak is. |
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| 01:53.11 | MoMo | so i worked the alsa checklist but still no sound -- isnt it as simple as modprobing the sound driver? |
| 01:53.49 | abrotman | MoMo: what is the sound device? |
| 01:55.35 | MoMo | how do i tell? |
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| 01:56.18 | abrotman | lspci -nn |
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| 01:57.07 | bleepbloop | sweet, that did what I wanted, thanks again nsadmin |
| 01:57.58 | MoMo | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:58.39 | abrotman | judd: pciid 8086:266e |
| 01:58.40 | judd | [8086:266e] is '82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) AC'97 Audio Controller' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel module 'snd-intel8x0' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:266e http://wiki.debian.org/slmodem and the out-of-tree 'snd-intel8x0' module. |
| 01:58.47 | abrotman | MoMo: you're on lenny ? how are you testing sound ? |
| 01:58.59 | MoMo | with aplay |
| 01:59.21 | MoMo | the /usr/source -- noise.wav file that was mentioned on alsa checklist |
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| 02:02.40 | bleepbloop | hmm, after typing ctrl-alt-f1, it seems to keep trying to start up all the time |
| 02:03.13 | bleepbloop | its making it hard for me to fix my problem when I'm in the middle of editing the thing with emacs and it starts doing some other shit |
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| 02:04.36 | MoMo | how do i tell if my sound card drive is installed? |
| 02:04.41 | MoMo | lsmod? |
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| 02:07.08 | fefo | MoMo: does /dev/sound exists ? |
| 02:07.14 | fefo | exist |
| 02:07.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | exits? |
| 02:07.55 | MoMo | fefo: no it doesn't |
| 02:08.06 | EmleyMoor | CutMeOwnThroat: Under the green signs <g> |
| 02:08.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | To be or not to be... |
| 02:09.08 | fefo | MoMo: ok, and what can you see in lsmod | grep sound ? |
| 02:09.11 | fefo | or snd |
| 02:09.23 | fefo | i don't know how it is in linux ;) |
| 02:09.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | /dev/sound? what's that supposed to be? |
| 02:09.46 | MoMo | snd has a lot of results |
| 02:09.49 | MoMo | sound has one |
| 02:09.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's no /dev/sound... |
| 02:10.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's /dev/dsp if you're using oss emulation |
| 02:10.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | else there's /dev/snd/* and /dev/sndstat |
| 02:10.44 | fefo | snd sound .. it is all the same to me ;) |
| 02:10.56 | epsilon | you mean /proc instead /dev? |
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| 02:11.23 | MoMo | so snd has a lot of results -- what should i be looking for |
| 02:11.55 | Holborn | /proc/asound/cards |
| 02:12.12 | unkmar | shoot yeah. Now that is some data xfer. over 6MB/s LAN transfer. |
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| 02:13.20 | MoMo | holborn -- i have proc/asound/card0 |
| 02:13.22 | epsilon | MoMo: if you are using alsa, check /proc/asound, cat /proc/asound/cards |
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| 02:13.48 | epsilon | run alsamixer |
| 02:14.07 | epsilon | and play something, mplayer <something>.mp3 |
| 02:14.30 | MoMo | 0 [ICH6 ]: ICH4 - Intel ICH6 |
| 02:14.30 | MoMo | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:14.45 | epsilon | looks fine |
| 02:14.46 | MoMo | that was cat /proc/asound/cards |
| 02:14.51 | MoMo | what is alsamixer? |
| 02:15.09 | epsilon | run it and you see |
| 02:15.19 | Holborn | is where you control the hardware card mixer .. and you can up the volume to hear :-) |
| 02:15.28 | initq | make sure your volume is up |
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| 02:15.45 | nsadmin | and not MMuted |
| 02:16.01 | MoMo | oh okay -- yes i have that open all up |
| 02:16.05 | initq | 99% that is the case |
| 02:16.12 | epsilon | try to play some audio file. If the player actually play the file, you have working audio card |
| 02:16.19 | Holborn | MoMo: and unmuted? |
| 02:16.25 | MoMo | yes |
| 02:16.31 | MoMo | and laptop sound dial up |
| 02:18.10 | WormFood | Did iceweasel disable profiles or something? I see reference to it man, but does not seem to work for me (I'm probably overlooking something). In short, I want 2 browsers sessions, independent of each other...can profiles do that? |
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| 02:19.00 | unkmar | WormFood: --no-shm or something like that. No shared memory. |
| 02:19.34 | WormFood | --no-xshm perhaps...thanks unkmar, I'll check it out. |
| 02:19.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | WormFood, did you run it with something like "iceweasel -P -x bla"? |
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| 02:20.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | err |
| 02:20.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | WormFood, sorry -P -a x |
| 02:20.30 | WormFood | I did use -P, but that does nothing (I already have iceweasel running, if that matters) |
| 02:20.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | or, to stay with the example -P -a bla |
| 02:20.44 | MoMo | found it |
| 02:20.46 | MoMo | it was in the mixer |
| 02:20.51 | MoMo | the external amplifier = |
| 02:20.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | WormFood, yes... it's for some reason ignoring it if you don't give it the -a option, too |
| 02:21.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | WormFood, you could write a bug report on that :) |
| 02:21.08 | WormFood | yeah, I got the profile now with -a x |
| 02:21.27 | WormFood | but I don't see -a in the man page or with --help...where is this stuff documented? |
| 02:21.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | I see it in the manpage |
| 02:22.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | search for '-a ' |
| 02:22.11 | WormFood | perhaps it is because I have "don't ask at startup" checked off on the choose profile page |
| 02:22.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | no |
| 02:22.39 | WormFood | yes, I searched for -a, it is not on the man page for iceweasel (on testing) |
| 02:22.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | -a application-id: Check for a running Iceweasel started with the specified appli- cation-id. When iceweasel is invoked for the first time with a particular application-id, a new Iceweasel application is started; subsequent invocations of iceweasel with the same application-id will cause the already-running Iceweasel to bring up a new window. |
| 02:23.24 | WormFood | CutMeOwnThroat, that is great, but that is NOT on my man page "man iceweasel" on testing |
| 02:23.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | the bug would be, that -P should imply -a... and if that's missing from your manpage, then that's also a bug |
| 02:24.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | you should check the bts and the changelog ... |
| 02:25.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually, my lenny manpage also says: -P profile Start with profile. Implies -a iceweasel--profile, or -a default if profile is default |
| 02:25.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | and there's another option -ProfileManager which we should probably have used in this case :) |
| 02:25.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:25.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | WormFood, well, it's a good time for a bug report before Squeeze releases |
| 02:26.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | go ahead! I'll shut up so as not to distract you |
| 02:27.14 | WormFood | I did use -ProfileManager, but it also did nothing visible to me |
| 02:27.32 | WormFood | sorry CutMeOwnThroat, I just have 2 other people talking with me....not trying to ignore you. |
| 02:27.46 | WormFood | Where do I file the bug reports with debian again? |
| 02:27.47 | unkmar | WormFood: you have to use the no x shared memory option. |
| 02:28.00 | WormFood | no unkmar, I had to use the -a x option |
| 02:28.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | -a anything is fine - it just has to be different from -a iceweasel |
| 02:28.27 | WormFood | the --no-xshm option, didn't work (I'm sure that is the option you're talking about) |
| 02:28.40 | WormFood | right, I understand that it is anything based on what you pasted from your man page :P |
| 02:28.50 | unkmar | WormFood: yeah, I remember bumping into that issue as well. Sorry. |
| 02:28.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | nana, my manpage is better than your manpage, nana |
| 02:29.12 | WormFood | unkmar, thanks for your help, even tho that specific thing didn't work ;) |
| 02:29.21 | chelz | abrotman: was afk for dinner, but i didn't see any indication that he had looked into anything besides debian. sounds like he asked for recommendations and someone misjudged his abilities and recommended debian. |
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| 02:29.51 | WormFood | oh yeah CutMeOwnThroat, well, my...uuuhhh....uuummmm...something is better than yours :P |
| 02:29.52 | abrotman | chelz: whatever you think .. sorry you feel that way |
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| 02:31.21 | chelz | abrotman: you can lead a horse to water but you can't make it learn |
| 02:31.31 | abrotman | then don't ask for water |
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| 02:31.56 | dvs | looks for his fishing pole |
| 02:32.00 | chelz | a nat/firewall was asked for, not how to learn iptables |
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| 02:32.36 | abrotman | chelz: he asked how to make iptables work .. maybe you should go back and read again |
| 02:32.48 | Kapace | Do i need "Standard System"? |
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| 02:32.58 | abrotman | and also read the tone of what he said |
| 02:33.02 | chelz | abrotman: well yeah initially, but then it was clear he didn't care how he got it, just that he got a nat/firewall |
| 02:33.03 | abrotman | Kapace: need, no .. but it's a good idea |
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| 02:33.29 | Kapace | abrotman, i plan to install LXDE after debian, should i bother with Standard System? |
| 02:33.33 | chelz | btw debian doesn't autoconfigure soundcards after install or when booting? i would think that would be part of the desktop section of that perl script that chooses use cses |
| 02:33.33 | abrotman | chelz: because you're trying to tell him he can't use debian and you want to dumb him down .. good for you |
| 02:33.37 | abrotman | Kapace: yes |
| 02:33.41 | Kapace | ok thanks |
| 02:33.42 | abrotman | chelz: yes, it does |
| 02:33.48 | chelz | ah, that's good |
| 02:34.40 | chelz | abrotman: well i was right wasn't i? he gave up, which i was i thought he might do since it was obvious he wasn't going to take the time to learn debian, instead of having a preconfigured firewall from monowall, smoothwall, etc |
| 02:35.30 | abrotman | chelz: he gave up long before he got here .. he didn't have an interest in learning .. so someone like you will tell him that he's too dumb and he should use some tool that he'll never understand |
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| 02:36.42 | chelz | abrotman: that may be true that he wouldn't even be interested in learning what little it would take to use a preconfigured distro, but i doubt you would disagree with him being more likely to have success with an easier distro over debian |
| 02:36.54 | abrotman | yes, i would |
| 02:37.04 | abrotman | i can learn it .. he should be able to also |
| 02:38.46 | chelz | abrotman: uhm, people aren't born the same at all. do you believe that no matter who was in einstein's shoes, if they had the same experiences he did, they would have also discovered and done what he did? |
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| 02:39.18 | abrotman | chelz: this is something that is well documented .. not groundbreaking .. the instructions are clear .. your comparison is crap |
| 02:39.51 | abrotman | decides this is way too offtopic and gone on way too long and chelz will either have to go #debian-offtopic or accept that chelz is wrong |
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| 02:45.42 | abrotman | or not! |
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| 02:49.30 | lk | abrotman, lol, there's really a #debian-offtopic?? |
| 02:49.55 | abrotman | lk: see /topic |
| 02:50.02 | Anonymity | i'm trying to setup a game server as a daemon/service or something along those lines that will automatically restart as well in the event of a crash or admin shutdown. I've been searching but not much progress. Can anyone point me in the right direcion please? |
| 02:50.07 | Anonymity | direction* |
| 02:50.28 | abrotman | Anonymity: /etc/init.d/skeleton will help you with an init script |
| 02:50.33 | Anonymity | ty sir |
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| 02:50.54 | abrotman | Anonymity: and you can possibly write a cronjob to look for running processes and start it if it's not running |
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| 02:51.05 | lk | Anonymity, you can also set up a cron to check on it and restart as necessary. |
| 02:51.07 | Anonymity | would init not handle it itself? |
| 02:51.08 | maxagaz | hi |
| 02:51.19 | maxagaz | blogger is closed in china, do you know some good blog I could use ? |
| 02:51.26 | Anonymity | i understood some docs from '02 as if init would but >.< |
| 02:52.10 | abrotman | maxagaz: try #defocus |
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| 02:56.09 | Bushmills | Anonymity: check out monit |
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| 02:56.16 | Anonymity | o_0 |
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| 02:58.05 | jhaluska | I have a plug computer running arm debian (Globalscale Guru Plug Server Plug). I need some help setting up a static from a DHCP address. It has DHCP set up currently, but I don't see where it is listed in the /etc/network/interfaces so I'm a bit confused. |
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| 03:00.42 | abrotman | jhaluska: can you put that file in a pastebin (paste.debian.net) |
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| 03:01.07 | jhaluska | abrotman, sure |
| 03:02.03 | jhaluska | abrotman: http://paste.debian.net/73557/ |
| 03:02.53 | abrotman | does it have a GUI ? |
| 03:03.17 | jhaluska | hmm, not that I know of. |
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| 03:03.34 | jhaluska | It's a plug computer, it is running a webserver of some sort. |
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| 03:03.40 | abrotman | jhaluska: at any rate .. it's roughly like "iface eth0 inet static\naddress xx.xx.xxx.xx\ngateway xx.x.x.x\nnetmask x.x.xx.x" |
| 03:03.45 | DogBoy | no it is console only |
| 03:04.19 | jhaluska | abrotman, Ok. I was just wondering if it normally defaulted to DHCP if it wasn't listed? |
| 03:04.42 | abrotman | jhaluska: it must be another app doing it |
| 03:06.19 | jhaluska | abrotman, I'm concerned something else is and I could get into a situation where it would be difficult to remote into the plug. |
| 03:07.51 | abrotman | jhaluska: i'd imagine it will either take your static config or the DHCP one .. not be unreachable ? |
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| 03:08.12 | jhaluska | abrotman, Good point. |
| 03:08.58 | abrotman | or get confused, catch on fire and die .. so, not really a problem? :) |
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| 03:09.23 | severnaya | how do i install xchat? i did apt-get install xchat and nothing happened |
| 03:09.25 | jhaluska | Yeah I guess if I die I won't have to worry about it. |
| 03:09.43 | abrotman | severnaya: was it already installed ? |
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| 03:09.50 | severnaya | no |
| 03:10.17 | severnaya | i installed debian testing and im trying to install xchat |
| 03:10.36 | DogBoy | what window manager are you running severnaya |
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| 03:10.41 | severnaya | gnome |
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| 03:10.47 | severnaya | default debian install |
| 03:12.08 | severnaya | it's clearly a package http://packages.debian.org/stable/net/xchat so why doent apt-get install see it |
| 03:12.17 | abrotman | severnaya: it's not under the "Internet" menu ? |
| 03:12.26 | abrotman | judd: versions xchat |
| 03:12.28 | judd | xchat -- etch: 2.6.8-0.3; lenny: 2.8.6-2.1; sid: 2.8.6-6; squeeze: 2.8.6-6 |
| 03:12.47 | severnaya | abrotman its not |
| 03:13.22 | severnaya | is it a part of a depository that's not installed on default debian? |
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| 03:14.38 | DogBoy | no severnaya |
| 03:14.45 | DogBoy | I'm running xchat on lenny |
| 03:14.50 | DogBoy | in gnome |
| 03:16.44 | severnaya | the only thing in sources.list is the install cd |
| 03:16.49 | severnaya | how do i get the internet repos |
| 03:16.57 | DogBoy | ouch |
| 03:17.04 | severnaya | stupid debian |
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| 03:17.11 | DogBoy | that's a little weird |
| 03:17.13 | severnaya | can someone give me their sources.list |
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| 03:17.23 | chelz | severnaya: people have that issue *all the time* |
| 03:17.35 | severnaya | chelz well maybe the devs should do something about it |
| 03:17.46 | chelz | severnaya: would you agree that a default sources.list should be posted somewhere for people to bootstrap from? |
| 03:18.00 | DogBoy | that's never happened to me |
| 03:18.03 | severnaya | chelz not even posted, it should just come withthe fucking install |
| 03:18.25 | chelz | severnaya: out of curiosity, is this strange sources.list from an install on a computer that wasn't connected to the internet when you did the install? |
| 03:18.51 | severnaya | i think so. it was in virtualbox |
| 03:19.22 | chelz | that's how it has happened for me before |
| 03:19.33 | severnaya | well what do i add to it |
| 03:19.46 | chelz | i had a lot of time and wanted to do some other stuff so i reinstalled, but you can add in lines holdon |
| 03:19.48 | stack_underflow | severnaya, this might help: http://debgen.simplylinux.ch/ |
| 03:20.02 | stack_underflow | it's a sources.list generator |
| 03:20.12 | chelz | !tell severnaya about sources.list |
| 03:20.39 | severnaya | thx stack_underflow |
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| 03:21.30 | unkmar | it is a real common problem. why, just today I asked for a sources.list file. :P |
| 03:22.05 | chelz | yeah, just a thing that could be quickly curl'd or wget'd into place i think would be a good thing to have |
| 03:22.41 | chelz | maybe even a script that picks servers based on a geoip thing and generates a sources.list |
| 03:23.00 | stack_underflow | is it normal for a testing install to be listed as 'squeeze/sid', my sources.list has testing for the branches, but I think I may be using some sid packages |
| 03:23.01 | severnaya | or it could "just work" like ubuntu |
| 03:23.33 | stack_underflow | my kernel is 2.6.32 and I checked the debian packages site and for squeeze it only has up to 2.6.30 |
| 03:23.54 | karlpinc_ | chelz: Or you could just use the example in "man sources.list". |
| 03:24.29 | severnaya | unkmar can you pastebin your sources.lsit |
| 03:24.46 | karlpinc_ | stack_underflow: You are not using testing any longer if you've sid/squeeze sources. |
| 03:24.46 | severnaya | karlpinc_ or debian could not be a piece of shit and just work out of the box |
| 03:25.13 | karlpinc_ | severnaya: It does. You install off cd, it works off cd. You install off the net, it works off the net. |
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| 03:25.23 | DogBoy | lol |
| 03:25.24 | stack_underflow | karlpinc_, but the thing is I never changed my sources to 'sid' or 'unstable', it's always been 'squeeze' |
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| 03:25.39 | severnaya | karlpinc_ considering how everyone installs off the cd and then expects to install off the net forever onwards, thats retarded |
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| 03:26.01 | DogBoy | severnaya, it's free and you're welcome to use something else |
| 03:26.08 | karlpinc_ | severnaya: No. It's retarded that people use something other than the net-install cd. |
| 03:26.09 | DogBoy | bitching about it is unattractive |
| 03:26.14 | unkmar | severnaya: but most people are connected to the net WHEN they install. |
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| 03:26.48 | DogBoy | you could even pitch it and make it work the way you want severnaya |
| 03:27.14 | karlpinc_ | !tell stack_underflow about downgrade |
| 03:27.25 | karlpinc_ | stack_underflow: ^^ :-( |
| 03:27.35 | severnaya | DogBoy i added deb http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free and did apt-get install xchat and it doesnt see anything |
| 03:27.53 | DogBoy | did you do apt-get update |
| 03:28.09 | stack_underflow | karlpinc_, it's not really a problem, I was just testing out squeeze in virtualbox, I was just wondering why it shows up as 'squeeze/sid' when I log in |
| 03:28.10 | severnaya | unkmar you've clearly never attended a university that has access restrictions where you have to login to the network |
| 03:28.28 | severnaya | DogBoy good point |
| 03:28.32 | karlpinc_ | DogBoy: Right. Coming up with a better solution would be the way to go. |
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| 03:28.56 | DogBoy | it's easy to find people bitching about how software should work |
| 03:29.09 | DogBoy | finding people to fix it, it's all about self interest |
| 03:29.16 | unkmar | well, there is a script option during install. It would be nice for that same thing to be available AFTER install. |
| 03:29.22 | stack_underflow | do you guys use testing or stable for you desktops? |
| 03:29.33 | unkmar | severnaya: and No. I have never attended any university. |
| 03:29.36 | DogBoy | I don't like the way the time zone selector works |
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| 03:29.44 | karlpinc_ | stack_underflow: I always use stable. I want my box to just work. |
| 03:29.46 | karlpinc_ | !sns |
| 03:29.46 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
| 03:29.46 | DogBoy | works the same way on ubuntu though |
| 03:30.07 | unkmar | stack_underflow: I don't have a desktop just yet. plan to do that within the hour. |
| 03:30.21 | DogBoy | I get to choose between like los angeles, north dakota or mexico city |
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| 03:30.33 | DogBoy | like nobody uses debian in houston |
| 03:30.42 | stack_underflow | karlpinc_, well for me it's actually a problem with my intel gfx, with kernel versions < 2.6.30, I get choppy video |
| 03:30.44 | karlpinc_ | stack_underflow: Many feel that testing is more stable than most distro's so that's ok for them. YMMV. |
| 03:30.57 | karlpinc_ | !tell stack_underflow about bpo |
| 03:31.13 | stack_underflow | I've tried that, haven't had much success |
| 03:31.14 | karlpinc_ | !backports |
| 03:31.14 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.org/ . Ask me about <backports.org> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
| 03:31.19 | stack_underflow | even with recompiling |
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| 03:31.58 | karlpinc_ | stack_underflow: backports.org is where they've done the work for you. You add to sources.list, follow their faq and use a newer kernel/newer whatever they've got. |
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| 03:32.12 | DogBoy | karlpinc_, taking responsibility for coming up with a better solution, that was my point |
| 03:32.54 | stack_underflow | karlpinc_, I know, I've tried that, but I've never noticed any change with my video performance (can't remember which kernel version I tried) |
| 03:33.01 | karlpinc_ | DogBoy: Ok. But a better design comes first. (And I've not heard one. If you don't have the net to install from, then you need to get packages from cd, by default.) |
| 03:33.18 | karlpinc_ | stack_underflow: bpo regulary gets newer ones. |
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| 03:34.18 | karlpinc_ | stack_underflow: There is a problem with video though, in that a lot of it in in X, which is generally too complicated to backport. So you may wind up with testing. |
| 03:34.20 | stack_underflow | karlpinc_, is it not recommended to use the testing branch? I don't really need 100% stability as I dual-boot |
| 03:34.40 | karlpinc_ | stack_underflow: YMMV. |
| 03:34.40 | chelz | DogBoy: heh actually yeah, i always have to select LA instead of SF |
| 03:34.59 | DogBoy | yea it's really irritating |
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| 03:35.24 | chelz | karlpinc_: yeah the default i think is fine, but it would be nice to have a sources.list file officially for people that installed with a disc and didn't get one generated |
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| 03:35.49 | chelz | or maybe there's a way to rerun just the part of the install that generates one if the computer being installed on has an internet connection |
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| 03:37.12 | woodworks | chelz / DogBoy : its a time ZONE not place, duh |
| 03:37.18 | stack_underflow | is there a big difference between installing gnome and gnome-core? will I miss any important packages by installing the gnome-core package? (I don't want all the extra programs it comes with) |
| 03:37.46 | DogBoy | no kidding woodworks |
| 03:37.51 | DogBoy | what's your point |
| 03:37.53 | chelz | woodworks: well then they should have it so a person selects "time ZONE"s instead of places |
| 03:38.04 | chelz | right now is a weird mix |
| 03:38.07 | DogBoy | you can't select a zone, you have to select a place |
| 03:38.46 | chelz | stack_underflow: experiment! |
| 03:39.14 | karlpinc_ | You can use anything in /usr/share/zoneinfo/ for a timezone. So you can use the SystemV style, e.g. CST6CDT for Central standard time gmt -6 with daylight savings, if you like. |
| 03:39.48 | karlpinc_ | stack_underflow: You could just install the apps you want and let them pull the depenencies in. |
| 03:40.10 | DogBoy | yea yea, it's a gui and it makes you select some city to select a zone |
| 03:40.13 | DogBoy | it's stupid |
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| 03:40.37 | DogBoy | I live in houston and it makes me pick north dakota |
| 03:40.50 | karlpinc_ | chelz: That part of the install asks for a debian mirror etc. You may as well just edit sources.list. If you don't want to do that, use aptitude in interactive mode, or synatpic, or some other app that edits it for you. |
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| 03:41.09 | DogBoy | if I could just click near houston I would say like ok but no, I have to pick mexico city or north dakota |
| 03:41.19 | DogBoy | so tell me how that makes sense |
| 03:41.27 | DogBoy | heh |
| 03:41.54 | DogBoy | anyway, my point is, if it bothered me enough I would kick the debian project some cash |
| 03:42.04 | DogBoy | but that's how it goes with open source |
| 03:42.11 | DogBoy | so get over it |
| 03:42.33 | chelz | karlpinc_: eh, i don't remember typing in apt deb lines myself anywhere. i'm pretty sure something autocinfigures it |
| 03:42.33 | DogBoy | I should probably send them some money anyway |
| 03:43.01 | karlpinc_ | chelz: It asks for a mirror, and knows that you're running stable, or testing or whatever. Same with synaptic, aptitude, etc. Just run one of those if you don't want to use a text editor. |
| 03:43.51 | chelz | karlpinc_: do you know of a way to rerun only part of debian-installer in an installed system? |
| 03:44.05 | karlpinc_ | chelz: No one here will talk you through using an interative program though, because it's much simpler for us to tell you to add a line to sources.list. |
| 03:45.00 | chelz | karlpinc_: yeah i just like really quick fixes to issues, esp issues that could be autoconfigured by a manually-invoked fixing process |
| 03:45.03 | karlpinc_ | chelz: dpkg-reconfigure runs the part that reconfigures a particular package. aptitude/synaptic/etc will re-write sources.list for you. What part of the installer? |
| 03:46.00 | chelz | karlpinc_: just the part that makes the sources.list. since people end up with an empty sources.list when they do an install without an internet connection, so i think being able to rerun just that part of the install would be an okay fix to tell people |
| 03:46.06 | karlpinc_ | chelz: The ultimate really quick fix is a text editor, because it will fix almost anything. So you only need 1 tool. |
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| 03:46.36 | chelz | yeah yeah :P |
| 03:46.39 | karlpinc_ | chelz: What part of "run aptitutde or synaptic to write sources.list" is not understandable? |
| 03:47.44 | DogBoy | I could see why a default sources.list might not be such a hot idea too |
| 03:47.44 | DogBoy | who's gonna volunteer their server for that |
| 03:47.44 | karlpinc_ | DogBoy: It would cause all sorts of problems. |
| 03:48.58 | chelz | karlpinc_: well ok let's assume aptitude since synaptic has all the graphical requirements. there isn't a "aptitude --regenerate-sources" is there? |
| 03:50.16 | aiux | chelz, apt-spy - writes a sources.list file based on bandwidth tests |
| 03:50.23 | karlpinc_ | chelz: You need to interact with it. "regenerate sources" would have to know what mirror to use. Basically nobody wants to be bothered writing such a program. If you think it's important submit an enhancment request and see if it gets a lot of support. |
| 03:51.07 | chelz | karlpinc_: yeah.. alright |
| 03:51.15 | chelz | apt-spy might be an okay workaround |
| 03:52.04 | karlpinc_ | aiux: Good enough. And there's something else that suggests a mirror based on some sort of tests too. However I've not found that one to be particularly reilable and that hand-picking a mirror does a better job. |
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| 03:52.16 | karlpinc_ | Frankly apt-cacher works wonders too. |
| 03:52.42 | karlpinc_ | (But that assumes you've more than one box.) |
| 03:53.21 | chelz | i'd actually prefer if apt-spy did tests that were a bit more statistically-sound. whenever i've used it it picks mirrors that happen to be fast within the few seconds that it tests, but not faster overall. |
| 03:55.02 | aiux | chelz, man sources.list |
| 03:56.08 | chelz | aiux: er what? just so you know i'm not trying to make a sources.list, i'm thinking of solutions of when people need to |
| 03:57.05 | aiux | i get the solutions : read man sources.list |
| 03:57.19 | chelz | haha |
| 03:57.26 | chelz | yes that has been suggested already, thank you though |
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| 03:58.09 | aiux | !ig | |
| 03:58.17 | aiux | !ig |
| 03:58.17 | dpkg | The Debian Installation Guide for Lenny (5.0.4) can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/installmanual . See also <errata> and <installer firmware>. |
| 03:59.22 | karlpinc_ | chelz: Ok. So we've established that choosing a mirror is a non-trival task, usually undertaken over time by testing various mirrors. The next step is to document each mirror that you tried and when it worked for you and when it didn't and why you'd want to use it or not. At this point you're writing text and should be putting those comments into sources.list so you've a history of what's happened and why and how to recover should your chosen mirror fa |
| 04:00.10 | chelz | karlpinc_: or a program like apt-spy could do spaced trials over the course of a few min/hours heh |
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| 04:09.39 | wols | what is this "apt-spy" people speak of? |
| 04:09.48 | wols | must be vaporware |
| 04:10.55 | DogBoy | I've used that apt-spy |
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| 04:31.09 | severnaya | so i can't right click my debian desktop, no icons show up and nautilus doesn't open. all i did was install virtualbox guest additions... |
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| 04:31.58 | severnaya | actually i can only run nautilus as root |
| 04:32.05 | Niklas- | Hey. I'm having some issues with a kernel/initrd. When it runs the initrd, it comes to the part where it begin loading drivers. It then loads the raid controller driver aic94xx, which needs external firmware. After 30 seconds it displays an error that it cannot find the firmware file, and i'm dropped into a shell. Then i simply run "rmmod aic94xx" and then "modprobe aic94xx", and then it loads the driver and finds the firmware, and i can just exit the shel |
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| 04:35.22 | brbrbr | oh i found cause of troubles. for some weird reasons[Etch and Squeze don't have this bug], Lenny initramfs-tools and Grub[both versions] correctly work only with 1st drive in multi-hdd configuration. and what worse, things become harder if you move hdd on other channel |
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| 05:13.16 | tharkun | Any recomended log parser and analyzer? |
| 05:13.41 | kuber | splunk |
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| 05:15.14 | tharkun | kuber: i prefer open source |
| 05:16.21 | kuber | me too. |
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| 05:17.31 | kuber | awstats is good |
| 05:17.42 | kuber | for apache |
| 05:17.57 | kuber | this looks interesting |
| 05:17.59 | kuber | http://www.logreport.org/ |
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| 05:18.26 | tharkun | kuber: thx, i allready arrive to that page. I apreciate your time. |
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| 05:19.37 | kuber | np |
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| 05:46.38 | mkad | Hi |
| 05:46.44 | mkad | does upgrading sid breaks anything? |
| 05:46.58 | mkad | when I upgraded sysvrc it stoped booting on one of my laptops |
| 05:47.05 | mkad | I wonder if its still the case |
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| 05:56.23 | chelz | mkad: if you want stuff to break you probably shouldn't run sid |
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| 05:59.25 | mkad | chelz, I know what unstable is, this comment is not in anyway helpful |
| 05:59.39 | chelz | sorry :X |
| 05:59.39 | mkad | chelz, and wasn't a subject of my question |
| 06:00.11 | chelz | well the likelihood that someone else, at this very moment, knows if upgrading sid would break any of the packages in it is kind of unlikely |
| 06:00.41 | mkad | yeah.. well I will just keep with current version, untill I can resurrect my home laptop |
| 06:00.44 | chelz | if you mean about sysvrc specifically then there might be a bug for it on the bug section for that |
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| 06:01.14 | mkad | chelz, usually those bugs are reported by apt-listbugs ;/ |
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| 06:04.12 | chelz | oh |
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| 06:05.20 | simonrvn | runs sid and hasn't had sysv-rc break |
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| 06:14.00 | mkad | simonrvn, thanks |
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| 06:15.54 | simonrvn | mkad: check the status of insserv, whether it's installed, configured, etc. |
| 06:16.16 | simonrvn | mkad: might want to dpkg-reconfigure sysv-rc too |
| 06:16.48 | mkad | I am at work now, but in the evening I will check my home laptop |
| 06:17.03 | mkad | might be some missconfiguration issue then |
| 06:17.12 | simonrvn | *possibly* |
| 06:17.16 | mkad | or disk failure ;/ |
| 06:17.22 | mkad | however it mounts clean |
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| 06:20.11 | tinflu | hey there's something broken when i apt-get upgrade mozplugger. i receive: unable to open '/usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/mozplugger.so.dpkg-new': No such file or directory |
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| 06:46.10 | mmnicolas | so... what about Mono ? |
| 06:46.27 | mmnicolas | sorry, wrong window |
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| 06:57.29 | Mousk4r | debian diaolex! |
| 06:57.32 | foxtrot | 2 LCDs hooked up, or 2 LCDs and a CRT hooked up> |
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| 07:00.13 | [gnubie] | it's been a long time i haven't used minicom to serial console connect to another server. now, i'm having a hard time to connect to the server. i'm using debian lenny as my client system to initiate minicom to serial connect to another server.. |
| 07:01.08 | dondelelcaro | [gnubie]: I'd personally suggest just using screen |
| 07:01.23 | dondelelcaro | [gnubie]: it works better for simple serial connections when you don't need any of the things that minicom does |
| 07:01.24 | [gnubie] | my client is running debian lenny i386 on an ibm thinkpad x32 laptop |
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| 07:01.40 | cali | How may I allow an user to write and read files in a folder but not delete these that it does not own ? |
| 07:01.42 | dondelelcaro | [gnubie]: screen /dev/ttyS0 (or whatever is appropriate) |
| 07:01.47 | [gnubie] | dondelelcaro: i haven't used screen to serial console connect.. |
| 07:01.56 | [gnubie] | dondelelcaro: let me try that.. |
| 07:02.08 | dondelelcaro | [gnubie]: right, that's why I'm suggesting you start... ;-) |
| 07:02.55 | [gnubie] | dondelelcaro: thanks man! this works! ;) |
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| 07:03.31 | [gnubie] | whew! i've been using screen for a long time but didn't know that i can use it for serial console |
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| 07:04.20 | [gnubie] | dondelelcaro: but now, i have a new problem with screen. |
| 07:04.33 | mobidev | hi to all |
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| 07:06.02 | [gnubie] | dondelelcaro: how can i exit without pressing the ctrl+a+d or something like that? |
| 07:06.04 | C2H5OH | hi, anyone has problems with user login after todays sid upgrade? |
| 07:06.09 | C2H5OH | I can't login with normal users (after motd, login says: "Unable to cd to /home/user") |
| 07:06.14 | C2H5OH | I can login with root |
| 07:06.18 | C2H5OH | but then "su user" says "Cannot execute /bin/zsh: permission denied" |
| 07:06.26 | C2H5OH | and permissions seem to be alright |
| 07:06.31 | C2H5OH | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 21 abr 8 08:01 /bin/zsh -> /etc/alternatives/zsh |
| 07:06.31 | C2H5OH | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 672240 abr 26 01:19 /bin/zsh4 |
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| 07:07.48 | dondelelcaro | [gnubie]: C-a k or similar, depending on what you're doing |
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| 07:11.18 | [gnubie] | dondelelcaro: any other way without using the ctrl + keys ? |
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| 07:12.30 | [gnubie] | dondelelcaro: i am actually giving the user(s) a console access to the remote server.. the setup is this: |
| 07:15.09 | paja | Hi, is there around any native English speaker? |
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| 07:15.47 | dondelelcaro | paja: just ask your question... though odds are it's not on topic for this channel |
| 07:16.31 | [gnubie] | user == internet via ssh ==> debian == console via serial ==> server |
| 07:16.33 | lk | paja, yeah. |
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| 07:18.13 | dondelelcaro | [gnubie]: so why can't the user just execute screen? |
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| 07:19.25 | Nazcafan | hello |
| 07:19.30 | [gnubie] | dondelelcaro: i want something that he/she is not aware of the screen.. |
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| 07:20.04 | Nazcafan | I installed ntpdate, but ifdown eth0 && ifup eth0 don't set properly the system clock |
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| 07:21.19 | chelz | [gnubie]: you can reconfigure gnu screen keybindings |
| 07:21.37 | Nazcafan | I went through if-up.d/ntpdate, and it seems to say that ntpdate will be launched if the method is static, does it mean that ntpdate won't start since I am using dhcp? |
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| 07:22.42 | dondelelcaro | [gnubie]: how do you expect the terminal to know to detach? |
| 07:23.03 | dondelelcaro | [gnubie]: you can easily have screen in the bashrc, but there's no way for screen to know that it should disconnect from the remote terminal |
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| 07:24.28 | JohnNew | Read from remote host x.x.x.x: Connection reset by peer . Connection to x.x.x.x closed. |
| 07:24.39 | JohnNew | this i got while being disconnected when having a reverse shell opened |
| 07:24.51 | JohnNew | how can i prevent this? or have shell auto reconnect? |
| 07:25.18 | [gnubie] | chelz: that's the least option.. |
| 07:25.51 | jelly-home | JohnNew: "reverse shell"? |
| 07:26.17 | jelly-home | !ask |
| 07:26.17 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 07:27.25 | pat5star | Nazcafan: what are you trying to do? |
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| 07:28.17 | Nazcafan | I want ntpdate to be invoqued at each startup or after bringing up eth0 |
| 07:28.27 | [gnubie] | dondelelcaro: i'm now thinking of idle timeout but does not solve the issue to exit from an existing session without pressing the ctrl + keys.. |
| 07:29.06 | Nazcafan | pat5star, but eth0 uses dhcp |
| 07:29.08 | chelz | dude you can script w/e with cron or a daemon or something |
| 07:29.17 | chelz | "screen -D" and stuff |
| 07:29.43 | chelz | i know a guy using screen for each instance of rtorrent for a big seedbox selling site |
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| 07:29.51 | [gnubie] | dondelelcaro: when i say idle timeout, it will be done on the ssh config and login.defs |
| 07:29.54 | Nazcafan | pat5star, if [ "$METHOD" = static ]; then |
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| 07:30.29 | Nazcafan | pat5star, this is one of the first lines of ntpdate in /etc/network/if-up.d/ntpdate |
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| 07:38.28 | pat5star | Nazcafan: sorry, in too many conversations here. I don't understand the static thing. I avoided that whole mess and just use cron to set time at boot and then periodically thereafter |
| 07:39.55 | Nazcafan | pat5star, I had some troubles with ntp, so I'd rather not cron it, I really think that setting up time at startup is the best option, however, it seems that I can not reach an ntp server from my machine |
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| 07:40.37 | C2H5OH | hi, when I execute (as root) "su user" I get "Cannot execute /bin/bash: permission denied" |
| 07:40.53 | C2H5OH | however, permissions are theoretically correct: |
| 07:40.57 | C2H5OH | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 926536 abr 10 12:50 /bin/bash |
| 07:41.01 | pat5star | Nazcafan: I removed ntp (although ntpdate is deprecated) and prefer ntpdate and cron myself. |
| 07:41.19 | pat5star | Nazcafan: do you have ntp on your machine too? |
| 07:41.24 | C2H5OH | what other causes generate a permission denied error? |
| 07:41.29 | Nazcafan | pat5star, nope, just ntpdate, |
| 07:41.39 | lk | C2H5OH, what does /etc/passwd say for the user you can't log in as? |
| 07:41.42 | dondelelcaro | C2H5OH: / is mounted noexec |
| 07:41.51 | pat5star | Nazcafan: ntpdate pool.ntp.org fails? |
| 07:41.54 | Nazcafan | pat5star, I used ntp for a while, but it caused some lag in vlc, for a while |
| 07:41.55 | dondelelcaro | C2H5OH: or you've done something else silly |
| 07:42.17 | Nazcafan | afournier:/etc/network/if-up.d# ntpdate pool.ntp.org |
| 07:42.18 | Nazcafan | 17 May 09:36:28 ntpdate[3023]: no server suitable for synchronization found |
| 07:42.24 | lk | dondelelcaro, could he be logged in at all if / was mounted noexec? |
| 07:42.27 | C2H5OH | dondelelcaro: I started happening this morning just after Sid's upgrade |
| 07:42.29 | Nazcafan | seems I can not reach the server |
| 07:42.38 | C2H5OH | lk: let me take a look |
| 07:42.59 | Nazcafan | there might be some internal ntp server available at my company |
| 07:43.00 | C2H5OH | lk: the usual |
| 07:43.01 | dondelelcaro | C2H5OH: does it work if you use a different shell? |
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| 07:43.10 | C2H5OH | dondelelcaro: no, I tried with zsh too |
| 07:43.18 | pat5star | Nazcafan: just checking everything, so sorry if seems silly, are you root? |
| 07:43.29 | C2H5OH | lk, dondelelcaro : and it fails for all non-root users |
| 07:43.30 | Nazcafan | pat5star, indeed |
| 07:43.39 | C2H5OH | even daemon users like postgres the like |
| 07:43.41 | pat5star | Nazcafan: can you ping it? |
| 07:43.44 | Nazcafan | no |
| 07:43.54 | dondelelcaro | C2H5OH: are you using selinux? |
| 07:43.58 | C2H5OH | dondelelcaro: no |
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| 07:44.05 | Nazcafan | I can not ping anything outside my company, actually |
| 07:44.21 | Nazcafan | pat5star, however, I can IM, irc and wget |
| 07:44.25 | NoReflex | hello! Is it possible to use two identical sound cards (one integrated and the other in a PCI slot) CMI Media 8738? I remember that I could not do this in WinXP (the driver asked me which card I want to use) - so I could not use both cards at the same time. Would this be possible in Debian? I remember someone said something about conflicting PCI interrupts. |
| 07:44.29 | pat5star | Nazcafan: is the ntp port blocked at your company firewall? |
| 07:44.42 | Nazcafan | pat5star, I don't know, I can only guess |
| 07:44.46 | C2H5OH | dondelelcaro: for example, if I try to login with that user the message is: Unable to cd to /home/user |
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| 07:44.55 | C2H5OH | dondelelcaro: and the permissions are, again, correct |
| 07:44.56 | dondelelcaro | NoReflex: you should be able to use both at the same time |
| 07:45.05 | dondelelcaro | C2H5OH: and /home/user exists? |
| 07:45.23 | C2H5OH | dondelelcaro: indeed, and with the proper owner |
| 07:45.34 | Nazcafan | pat5star, however, this being said, shouldn't I get an error messages when ifup-ing eth0 (lik |
| 07:45.35 | dondelelcaro | C2H5OH: and /home/user is 750 or similar, right? |
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| 07:45.40 | C2H5OH | dondelelcaro: yes |
| 07:45.58 | Nazcafan | (like: "couldn't reach ntpserver, blah, blah
" |
| 07:45.59 | C2H5OH | I hope I have not been rootkit-ed |
| 07:46.09 | NoReflex | dondelelcaro: thank you, will try when the PCI card gets here |
| 07:46.20 | C2H5OH | but it is very curious it happened just after upgrade |
| 07:46.21 | pat5star | Nazcafan: I'll be honest I'm not sure. I'm not an expert with this as I took the easy road and just used ntpdate with cron like I said ;) |
| 07:46.22 | lk | C2H5OH, it's more likely a permissions issue somewhere. |
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| 07:47.10 | C2H5OH | lk: now that you mention it |
| 07:47.16 | Nazcafan | pat5star, anyway, I seem to have two different issues here: connectivity and automation, I'll try to solve the connectivity issue first |
| 07:47.34 | C2H5OH | lk: what should be the permissions for /var/run ? |
| 07:47.53 | pat5star | Nazcafan: I just checked something...can you connect to pool.ntp.org with a browser? You should just get a page that says 'it worked'! |
| 07:48.29 | lk | C2H5OH, does everything in /lib look okay? |
| 07:48.29 | lk | 755 for me. |
| 07:48.30 | C2H5OH | lk: yes |
| 07:48.34 | dondelelcaro | pat5star: not all ntp servers run a web server, so that'll give you just about anything |
| 07:48.44 | C2H5OH | lk: actually, I accidentally changed it to 750, but I have corrected it |
| 07:48.55 | pat5star | dondelelcaro: oh I never thought of that...you're right |
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| 07:49.06 | C2H5OH | lk: (for /lib, that is) |
| 07:49.39 | Nazcafan | pat5star, oh bythe way, what do you have there: grep NTPDATE_USE_NTP_CONF /etc/default/ntpdate |
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| 07:50.11 | Nazcafan | pat5star, no good, I seem to get some timeout |
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| 07:51.03 | pat5star | Nazcafan: =yes |
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| 07:51.16 | Nazcafan | OK |
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| 07:51.47 | Mark_ | pastebin your ntp.conf if you cant get it working |
| 07:51.49 | pat5star | Nazcafan: yeah, connectivity issue first I guess...maybe something at your firewall...good luck, wish I could have helped |
| 07:52.22 | lk | C2H5OH, able to log in now? |
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| 07:53.56 | C2H5OH | lk: no :-( |
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| 07:54.28 | lk | You might want to find /lib -type d -exec chmod 755 {} \; |
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| 07:55.06 | lk | C2H5OH, more likely it's one of the libs... probably not 644. |
| 07:55.21 | lk | (Which is what it should be.) |
| 07:55.35 | C2H5OH | lk: I'll check |
| 07:55.51 | lk | Be careful, though... there are some that should be 755, too. |
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| 07:57.52 | lk | C2H5OH, you can compare to mine: http://lk.pastebin.com/iP7CBbi4 (Lenny amd64) |
| 07:58.44 | C2H5OH | lk: ok, I'm checking |
| 07:58.54 | lk | C2H5OH, try chmod +x /lib/ld-2.7.so |
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| 08:01.54 | C2H5OH | lk: my /lib permissions are allright |
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| 08:02.16 | C2H5OH | lk: well, thinking about it, if they were broken I would be having problems with a root login too |
| 08:02.21 | C2H5OH | and root works perfectly |
| 08:02.34 | C2H5OH | it's the rest of the users that have trouble |
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| 08:05.23 | C2H5OH | as a normal user |
| 08:05.47 | C2H5OH | the access("/bin/bash", R_OK|X_OK) syscal fails with EACCESS |
| 08:05.56 | C2H5OH | I don't get it |
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| 08:06.48 | lk | C2H5OH, have you tried creating a new user by chance? |
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| 08:08.04 | C2H5OH | lk: yes |
| 08:08.10 | C2H5OH | lk: and it still fails |
| 08:08.29 | aburch | C2H5OH: What are the permissions of /, /bin and /bin/bash? |
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| 08:09.07 | C2H5OH | I found it |
| 08:09.11 | C2H5OH | aburch: thanks for the hint |
| 08:09.18 | C2H5OH | I'm so so dumb !!! |
| 08:09.29 | C2H5OH | I forgot to check permissions for / |
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| 08:09.40 | C2H5OH | shame on me |
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| 08:09.55 | C2H5OH | aburch, lk : permissions for / where 750 |
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| 08:10.18 | C2H5OH | my god, I feel so stupid |
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| 08:10.25 | C2H5OH | I've lost an hour with this |
| 08:10.26 | lk | lol.... |
| 08:10.43 | lk | C2H5OH, how'd that happen, btw? |
| 08:11.32 | C2H5OH | lk: I was upgrading the kernel to 2.6.34 |
| 08:11.40 | C2H5OH | by building a tarbz2-pkg |
| 08:11.48 | C2H5OH | but I build it as my user |
| 08:12.00 | C2H5OH | and my user has an umask of 027 |
| 08:12.14 | lk | Ah.... |
| 08:12.15 | C2H5OH | so the tarbz2 is created with 750 and 640 permissions (but owned by root) |
| 08:12.19 | C2H5OH | so when I untar |
| 08:12.25 | C2H5OH | permissions are altered |
| 08:12.38 | C2H5OH | at home I fix this by changing to umask 022 before building the tar |
| 08:12.48 | C2H5OH | but here (at work) I forgot set it up |
| 08:13.36 | C2H5OH | damn it, I have so many curses to say :-P |
| 08:13.44 | C2H5OH | but I have to be educated |
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| 08:14.36 | lk | C2H5OH, lessons learned the hard way have the silver lining of being remarkably educational =) |
| 08:14.51 | C2H5OH | lk: indeed |
| 08:15.03 | C2H5OH | well, have to reboot |
| 08:15.06 | lk | gl |
| 08:15.18 | C2H5OH | to get all daemons up |
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| 08:15.21 | C2H5OH | (postgres, mongo, etc) |
| 08:15.21 | lk | Oh. |
| 08:15.28 | lk | Do init 1 and then init 3. |
| 08:15.53 | C2H5OH | well, I also have to use the new kernel |
| 08:16.00 | C2H5OH | because I rebooted with the old one just in case |
| 08:16.02 | C2H5OH | :-) |
| 08:16.03 | lk | lol, init 6. |
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| 08:16.23 | C2H5OH | lk, aburch: thanks for your help |
| 08:16.34 | C2H5OH | and sorry for my dumbness |
| 08:16.35 | lk | aburch rocks. |
| 08:17.02 | C2H5OH | need to get productive now ;-) |
| 08:17.05 | C2H5OH | bye |
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| 08:24.04 | SerajewelKS | damn i must be tired. i wanted to reattach my screen session, so i ran 'crontab -e' |
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| 08:29.28 | lk | SerajewelKS, you made my friend choke on an oreo with that statement. |
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| 08:30.13 | SerajewelKS | lk: well then i guess my mental fuzziness has a use at least... i can kill people with it! |
| 08:30.47 | lk | hahah. Now I know he's been holding out on me.... |
| 08:31.08 | SerajewelKS | lk: or it can make people share cookies. one of the two. |
| 08:31.28 | SerajewelKS | MY CRONTAB MAKES PEOPLE SHARE COOKIES |
| 08:31.44 | SerajewelKS | that needs to go in my email signature |
| 08:32.01 | SerajewelKS | until i wake up tomorrow and write an email and realize that it's not actually funny unless i am sleep-deprived |
| 08:32.56 | lk | SerajewelKS, one cron to rule them all =) |
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| 08:33.36 | SerajewelKS | and what better cron than one that socializes cookies |
| 08:33.36 | topi` | morning. can anyone remember which package was it that was released in unstable in february or so and required upgrading the kernel in synchrony? |
| 08:33.41 | kowna | How to deal with this: W: GPG error: http://www.debian-multimedia.org testing Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 07DC563D1F41B907 Christian Marillat <marillat@debian.org> |
| 08:33.52 | topi` | I think that is the problem why my server did not reboot. that package installed without a new kernel. |
| 08:34.03 | DASPRiD | topi`, i bet not anyone will be able to remember it |
| 08:34.11 | SerajewelKS | kowna: install the debian-multimedia-keyring package and then 'aptitude update' again |
| 08:34.26 | kowna | ok, thks. |
| 08:34.56 | SerajewelKS | topi`: i'm just guessing, but libc has a pretty tight relationship with the kernel |
| 08:34.57 | topi` | I should have reverted that package when I went through apt-get upgrade, but oh well... |
| 08:35.16 | topi` | SerajewelKS: I'm somehow thinking of udev |
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| 08:35.48 | SerajewelKS | topi`: nod, it could be lots of things. it would be helpful to know exactly when the kernel craps out during boot. |
| 08:36.02 | SerajewelKS | topi`: and also, don't trust anything i say tonight... i've already made people choke on cookies |
| 08:36.40 | kowna | SerajewelKS: doesn't work. got the same warning msg again. |
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| 08:38.50 | SerajewelKS | kowna: then it sounds like either the package list is corrupted, or somebody has broken into his server |
| 08:39.16 | topi` | anyway, forced debian kernel updates are not that common, so I should find a way to search for articles on those on the net |
| 08:39.36 | SerajewelKS | topi`: if you mean find a way to search in text-mode, i like elinks |
| 08:39.43 | topi` | SerajewelKS: I can't see where the kernel craps in the boot since the server is 2000km away from me in a bunker |
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| 08:40.09 | SerajewelKS | topi`: that's what airports are for, silly |
| 08:40.31 | topi` | maybe I'll just try to "replay" the whole situation using another similar device |
| 08:40.37 | SerajewelKS | topi`: maybe someone there can tell you... |
| 08:40.40 | topi` | and see which package upgrade it is that breaks. |
| 08:41.00 | topi` | SerajewelKS: the device has only serial console and is not exactly user friendly. see www.beagleboard.org :) |
| 08:41.45 | themill | throws some volcanic ash at SerajewelKS |
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| 08:42.25 | SerajewelKS | topi`: damn, i need to get one of those |
| 08:42.43 | topi` | SerajewelKS: but set it up properly so that you can update the kernel at will |
| 08:42.59 | SerajewelKS | topi`: if it's got opengl, surely it has a VGA/DVI connector too? |
| 08:43.05 | topi` | I set up everything in the hopes that I can keep on running the same old kernel indefinitely. but because userspace changes, that was nto possible |
| 08:43.12 | topi` | yep, VGA/DVI |
| 08:44.08 | SerajewelKS | topi`: although, i have to admit that while the awesome factor is high, running a VM is easier :) |
| 08:44.45 | petern_ | ~/win 24 |
| 08:44.51 | petern_ | :s |
| 08:45.56 | SerajewelKS | topi`: if it could be powered some other way i might use that for a small media frontend device to our TV |
| 08:46.11 | topi` | SerajewelKS: I see it now. However, the main idea behind the BB is that I can keep it running 24h and it consumes 2W, not 200W |
| 08:46.27 | topi` | it's just running a couple of websites |
| 08:47.40 | SerajewelKS | topi`: hmm, it has a block for "alternate power..." |
| 08:48.35 | topi` | ok, I found the fault |
| 08:48.42 | topi` | this is from udev's changelog: |
| 08:48.42 | topi` | Updated preinst to abort if the running kernel supports the long-deprecated CONFIG_SYSFS_DEPRECATED feature. This means that starting from this release udev will not work with the official Debian kernels from lenny. |
| 08:49.28 | SerajewelKS | nice |
| 08:49.31 | topi` | somehow, I would need to revert the udev package. where could I find the previous version (udev 149-2) from? |
| 08:49.48 | SerajewelKS | topi`: snapshots or /var/cache/apt/archives |
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| 08:50.04 | streuner_ | !sdn |
| 08:50.04 | dpkg | http://snapshot.debian.org/ is an archive of almost all Debian packages uploaded since 2005, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way non-free. This service replaces the old http://snapshot.debian.net/ site that is no longer maintained. http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100412 |
| 08:50.19 | topi` | cool |
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| 08:55.09 | SerajewelKS | bedtime |
| 08:55.18 | babilen | good night |
| 08:55.26 | SerajewelKS | topi`: good luck. thanks for the bb pointer, i will definitely be looking into that. |
| 08:55.44 | SerajewelKS | waves |
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| 08:57.11 | SPF | it seems the stable bitlbee cannot connect to the MSN servers anymore |
| 08:57.16 | SPF | http://code.bitlbee.org/lh/bitlbee/revision/580 |
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| 09:05.00 | jelly | SPF: /msg judd versions bitlbee; /msg dpkg ssb |
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| 09:23.29 | SPF | jelly: it asks for Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list. But I don't know what to put in exactly |
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| 09:26.08 | chelz | for the record, debian works *absolutely fine* with unetbootin |
| 09:26.15 | chelz | i just did a ton of testing all of tonight |
| 09:26.25 | jelly | SPF: copy the line for your mirror and lenny, replace lenny with sid, replace deb with deb-src |
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| 09:30.17 | SPF | jelly: W: Failed to fetch ftp://debian.nl/debian/dists/sid/main/source/Sources Unable to fetch file, server said 'Failed to open file. ' |
| 09:31.02 | jelly | SPF: eh, pastebin your sources.list |
| 09:32.22 | SPF | jelly: http://pastebin.com/NiRDN5RP |
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| 09:36.32 | JyZyXEL | can you rename NIC's without rebooting? |
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| 09:38.02 | joltcan | JyZyXEL: Sure thing: http://www.science.uva.nl/research/air/wiki/LogicalInterfaceNames |
| 09:38.08 | jelly | SPF: that would imply your mirror doesn't carry sid, or sources for sid |
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| 09:42.05 | JyZyXEL | joltcan: sure thing if the adapter has modular drivers? |
| 09:42.46 | JyZyXEL | cause udev rule changes only take affect after reboot |
| 09:42.52 | jelly | SPF: lines 4 and 5 confirm your mirror doesn't carry sources |
| 09:43.18 | brbrbr | is there any way to limit yelp CPU usage ?[wihout playing with quotas, sheduler and etc] |
| 09:44.03 | joltcan | JyZyXEL: there are a bunch of way to do it, so it depends on what you are familiar with etc. You can rename it on the fly with /etc/network/interfaces by doing up/down on the old/new if, or on the fly with "ip" |
| 09:44.06 | jelly | SPF: so, use a different mirror, eg. ftp://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian |
| 09:44.23 | JyZyXEL | k |
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| 09:44.58 | joltcan | JyZyXEL: like ip link set dev eth0 name not_eth0 |
| 09:45.19 | JyZyXEL | ifrename worked great |
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| 09:47.04 | joltcan | JyZyXEL: just make sure you save it in iftab if it should be remembered across reboots |
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| 09:51.23 | rindolf | Hi all. |
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| 09:52.23 | rindolf | How do I do an incremental "apt-get -y dist-upgrade"? It failed now due to "passive socket" something and now it starts all over again. |
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| 09:57.00 | jelly | rindolf: it doesn't start "all over again", dpkg won't install same things it already installed |
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| 09:57.25 | rindolf | jelly: I think it downloads them all first. |
| 09:57.42 | jelly | rindolf: which debian release are you running? |
| 09:57.44 | rindolf | jelly: at least here. |
| 09:57.47 | rindolf | jelly: Testing. |
| 09:57.50 | rindolf | jelly: squeeze. |
| 09:58.18 | jelly | rindolf: apt keeps a cache of downloaded .deb package files, it should not redownload same versions |
| 09:58.36 | rindolf | jelly: ah. |
| 09:58.47 | rindolf | Hmmm.... |
| 09:59.23 | jelly | (unless one explicitely cleans the cache, that is) |
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| 10:03.58 | ethanol | mornin' all |
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| 10:14.14 | rindolf | jelly: thanks. |
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| 10:18.05 | brammat0r | "allow-hotplug eth0" will drop down eth0 on link loss? I mean, I need to restart services that bind on this interface after link regain? |
| 10:18.38 | brammat0r | or it's ok to not to use 'hotplug' and just 'auto eth0' in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 10:23.22 | Juliana | Good morning Debian! I tried to uninstall mysql with "apt-get remove mysql-server". But there still are tons of files left. if found "/etc/mysql/" and "/var/lib/mysql/" for example. Why is that? How can I get really rid of it? |
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| 10:24.32 | petern_ | dpkg --purge mysql-server |
| 10:24.32 | dpkg | drinks a glass of salty water, sticks his fingers down his throat and throws up mysql-server all over petern_ and TheAvatar... |
| 10:24.39 | petern_ | ewwww |
| 10:24.48 | brammat0r | 2-) |
| 10:24.50 | petern_ | but quite apt :) |
| 10:25.59 | Juliana | ok, but now its not installed. do i have to reinstall it to uninstall it? |
| 10:27.09 | petern_ | no |
| 10:27.18 | Juliana | what can i do? |
| 10:27.25 | petern_ | run the command i gave |
| 10:27.53 | petern_ | also: "dpkg -l | grep ^rc" |
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| 10:28.18 | Juliana | i really would like to do it with apt if possible |
| 10:28.25 | Juliana | too many tools make me confused |
| 10:28.32 | petern_ | apt-get remove --purge packagename |
| 10:28.37 | petern_ | but only if it's still installed |
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| 10:28.59 | Juliana | i reinstalled it |
| 10:29.06 | Juliana | strangely, i cannot access it with "mysql" |
| 10:29.19 | Juliana | i wonder if its broken because of old settings or something |
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| 10:32.47 | lindi- | Juliana: apt-file search bin/mysql shows the package that has "mysql" command |
| 10:32.54 | themill | Juliana: please stop asking your ubuntu questions in #debian and #ubuntu at the same time. In fact, please stop asking them in #debian at all. |
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| 10:34.36 | Juliana | themill: please stop reading questions in ubuntu and #debian at the same time. in fact, please stop reading in #ubuntu at all. |
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| 10:35.19 | ham5 | :) |
| 10:35.20 | passwordoff | Where I'm? |
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| 10:35.27 | lindi- | I vote for some sort of puzzled that you need to complete to join the channel :) |
| 10:35.33 | lindi- | s/led/le/ |
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| 10:36.13 | lindi- | (or it could just be a form for pasting things like lspci output) |
| 10:36.17 | passwordoff | Where are my? |
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| 10:37.06 | lindi- | hmm. is /etc/init.d/xdm restart supposed to work in an xterm? here it kills X but does not start it. If I run the command under screen X starts just fine |
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| 10:38.04 | djura-san | o/ |
| 10:38.23 | lindi- | this is debian unstable on openmoko with http://paste.debian.net/73587/ |
| 10:38.31 | lindi- | I'm quite sure this used to work |
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| 10:47.20 | LjL | i need to port my postgresql 7.4 database to the current version of postgresql i have in debian testing (8.4). however, the tool that ought to do that won't work without 7.4 installed, and apt now refuses to install 7.4 because of a number of version conflicts. what might i do? |
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| 10:47.44 | starenka | how can i get apt log (f.e packages removed last time?) i've just made apt upgrade and my kde got from 4.3 to 4.4 and i miss my system tray :D |
| 10:47.59 | LjL | starenka: /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 10:49.33 | lk | LjL, you might try #postgres... they may have a better idea unless we have some postgres admins here too. |
| 10:50.48 | LjL | good idea, i'll try there as well |
| 10:51.11 | themill | LjL: no debian release has both those versions of postgres available so you might be a little stuck on that jump |
| 10:51.53 | LjL | themill: i realized :| but the data in those DB is important enough i'm ready to jump through hoops if necessary |
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| 10:54.33 | themill | LjL: are you trying to migrate by some technique more elegant than dump & restore? |
| 10:54.58 | LjL | themill: dump and restore would be fine... if i could dump |
| 10:55.03 | rodr1go | hello there, how can I install something through apt-get without installing extra packages, lets just say individual package |
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| 10:55.36 | lindi- | rodr1go: you need to install the dependencies |
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| 10:55.57 | themill | LjL: you could always create an etch chroot (/msg dpkg debootstrap) with pg7.4 in it, dump from there and then import into pg8.4 in your new environment. BTW you know that pg8.4 is available from backports.org so you don't need to go to testing to be able to get it |
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| 10:56.57 | rodr1go | lindi-, thanks but in this case I just wanted the package it self it's a sun-java6-plugin but i comes with iceweasel and I already installed firefox manually |
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| 10:57.39 | lindi- | rodr1go: ah, that's some non-free stuff which I really can't study deeply sorry |
| 10:58.06 | lindi- | rodr1go: your "manual" firefox installation should be a package that "Provides:" iceweasel maybe |
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| 10:58.37 | LjL | themill: ah that's nice, i'll try that if what i'm doing now fails (namely compiling 7.4) |
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| 11:00.46 | Bop | anyone tryed to compile 2.6.34 ? got this error -> fs/hpfs/buffer.c:69: internal compiler error: Segmentation fault |
| 11:00.54 | Bop | with lenny |
| 11:01.01 | LjL | ouch! |
| 11:01.19 | Bop | this really sucks |
| 11:01.30 | Bop | 2.6.33.4 also some error |
| 11:01.36 | Bop | i cant compile |
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| 11:01.55 | TheAvatar | slaps dpkg |
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| 11:02.53 | GNU\colossus | Bop: chances are your machine's unstable |
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| 11:04.20 | lk | GNU\colossus, from a hardware standpoint? |
| 11:04.26 | hideo | I compiled 2.6.33.4 on unstable, everything went fine |
| 11:05.04 | GNU\colossus | lk: yes. segfaults tend to appear out of nowhere esp. with faulty memory or CPU. |
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| 11:05.25 | hideo | oh nvm |
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| 11:05.37 | Bop | hideo, can u share your kernel ? |
| 11:05.40 | Bop | is it generic ? |
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| 11:05.53 | hideo | no, specific to my machine |
| 11:05.57 | Bop | ok :| |
| 11:06.01 | lindi- | Bop: go run memtest |
| 11:06.07 | Bop | its fine |
| 11:06.15 | lk | Maybe hideo can compile a kernel using Bop's config? =P |
| 11:06.25 | Bop | what would be great :D |
| 11:06.47 | lk | I would offer, too, but I have to get some shuteye. Night! =P |
| 11:06.54 | Bop | RIGHT ! |
| 11:06.56 | hideo | I can't Bop =P |
| 11:06.58 | Bop | LOL |
| 11:07.00 | Bop | :x |
| 11:07.11 | hideo | <-- laptop |
| 11:07.15 | Bop | ok :| |
| 11:07.23 | hideo | it would take too long and I'll leave in 2hrs |
| 11:07.35 | Bop | is it a fast laptop ? |
| 11:07.37 | themill | !enter |
| 11:07.37 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 11:07.53 | starenka_ | i've just made an aptitude upgrade on squeeze and there is no sound. some progs complain there's is no alsa server (i did restart alsa-utils couple times), any clues? ty |
| 11:08.14 | lindi- | starenka_: what prog? |
| 11:08.18 | Bop | no one volunteers to compile my kernel ? |
| 11:08.25 | lk | lol... ouch. |
| 11:08.27 | hideo | Bop: no it's 4 years old |
| 11:08.34 | Bop | kthanks |
| 11:08.37 | lk | Fine, fine, pastebin the config. |
| 11:08.43 | Bop | \o/ |
| 11:08.43 | starenka_ | lindi-: lastfm, f.e amarok, mplayer "plays" but there's no sound |
| 11:08.58 | lindi- | starenka_: what about "speaker-test -t sine" ? |
| 11:09.15 | starenka_ | aaaargh, yes it works :D |
| 11:09.32 | starenka_ | (crazy sound) |
| 11:09.33 | lindi- | starenka_: ok so kernel is probably ok |
| 11:09.40 | starenka_ | i did no kernel update |
| 11:09.50 | Bop | lk, http://www.bpaste.net/show/6388/ |
| 11:09.50 | lindi- | starenka_: it's crazier without "-t sine" :P |
| 11:09.51 | starenka_ | just kde update |
| 11:09.57 | starenka_ | lemme check |
| 11:09.58 | starenka_ | :D |
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| 11:10.06 | lindi- | starenka_: and mplayer fails to work? |
| 11:10.08 | lk | Bop, downloading kernel source.... |
| 11:10.08 | Bop | lk, u making make-kpkg , right |
| 11:10.15 | lk | Yeah. |
| 11:10.16 | lindi- | starenka_: mplayer shouldn't be affected by kde stuff |
| 11:10.23 | starenka_ | lindi-: i did turn the volume down this time :D |
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| 11:10.36 | hideo | Bop: debian's kernel doesn't fit your needs? |
| 11:10.39 | starenka_ | lindi-: but it plays the mp3, but there's no sound |
| 11:10.43 | Bop | lk, never tried , does it make initrd and kernel-headers package too ? |
| 11:10.51 | hideo | Bop: yes |
| 11:10.56 | Bop | hideo, its a little unstable |
| 11:10.59 | Bop | ok nice |
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| 11:12.00 | Bop | lk, how fast is your machine |
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| 11:12.25 | starenka_ | lindi-: any clue? i just can't code w/out music :( |
| 11:12.35 | lk | A64 x2 4200+ w/ 2 GB RAM. |
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| 11:13.03 | lindi- | starenka_: output of "mplayer -v -v foo.mp3" might give a clue |
| 11:13.12 | lk | Come to think of it, I've never actually compiled a kernel on this machine before. I usually use my old laptop. |
| 11:13.18 | lindi- | starenka_: just add it to pastebin.com |
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| 11:15.00 | Bop | lk, sounds fast |
| 11:15.59 | starenka_ | lindi-: http://junk.starenka.net/mplayerout |
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| 11:18.02 | starenka_ | lindi-: im not sure, but it seems theres pulseaudio instead of alsa now |
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| 11:20.49 | lindi- | starenka_: so it seems |
| 11:20.55 | lindi- | starenka_: good way to fail :) |
| 11:21.21 | starenka_ | lindi-: so what should i do now? |
| 11:22.06 | lindi- | starenka_: i'm not very familiar with debugging pulseaudio sorry |
| 11:22.16 | starenka_ | :( |
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| 11:36.18 | factor | Whre is alsaconf located in packages? |
| 11:36.28 | starenka_ | lindi-: ooohkay mplayer plays as root but not as another user... :) |
| 11:36.40 | starenka_ | lindi-: does it say anything |
| 11:36.42 | themill | dpkg: tell factor about alsaconf |
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| 11:37.09 | starenka_ | lindi-: i've just realize that kde setting makes a test sound while running via kdesu, but it fails while using normal user |
| 11:37.23 | abrotman | !alsa checklist |
| 11:37.23 | dpkg | 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 2) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels & toggle jack sense) 3) arts or esound stopped? 4) OSS modules unloaded? 5) speakers on? 6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 7) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. See also <list alsa users>. |
| 11:37.38 | lk | starenka_, do your users have the right group privileges? |
| 11:37.44 | factor | kmix does not work |
| 11:37.52 | factor | nor does the moxer ini cosole |
| 11:37.57 | factor | but sound works |
| 11:38.04 | factor | I can control it is the issue |
| 11:38.10 | factor | install pulse audio |
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| 11:38.16 | factor | now uninstalled it and it all borked |
| 11:38.20 | starenka_ | lk: i haven't change anything, it used to work ok, i;ve just updated to kde4.4 and the sound doesn't work |
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| 11:39.20 | factor | no aply does nto work |
| 11:39.23 | factor | aplay |
| 11:39.50 | factor | I need a program to config asoundrc. |
| 11:39.58 | starenka_ | abrotman: hmmm http://openpaste.org/en/21651/ |
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| 11:40.01 | factor | I also have no /proc/asound |
| 11:40.07 | lk | starenka_, the times I had audio issues where root's audio worked fine but not others turned out to be a matter of groups. |
| 11:40.18 | factor | root also does not work |
| 11:40.23 | factor | I am in root now |
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| 11:40.28 | factor | trying to run alsamixer and no go |
| 11:40.36 | abrotman | factor: stop hitting enter |
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| 11:40.43 | factor | cannot open mixer: No such file or directory |
| 11:40.56 | factor | When I type alsamixer |
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| 11:42.03 | starenka_ | lk: okay, i dont seem to be in audio group... audio:x:29:timidity,pulse |
| 11:43.02 | Bop | lk, status ? |
| 11:43.50 | lk | Bop, lol, I think I ended up using the wrong config... unless you've selected every possible fs available as a module. |
| 11:44.23 | Bop | well , i didnt mess with it |
| 11:44.35 | Bop | just used the old 2.6.30 generic config |
| 11:44.40 | Bop | and updated it |
| 11:44.51 | lk | Oh. |
| 11:44.53 | Bop | so , lots of stuff |
| 11:45.02 | lk | That would explain the time and size =) |
| 11:45.27 | factor | http://pastebin.com/8mqXWD4J |
| 11:45.36 | factor | here is an strace of when I run alsamixer |
| 11:46.01 | factor | open("/dev/snd/controlC0", O_RDONLY|O_CLOEXEC) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) |
| 11:46.13 | Bop | lk, ill wait :D |
| 11:46.33 | factor | they in fact do not exist. |
| 11:47.01 | factor | all i have is seq and timer |
| 11:47.02 | abrotman | factor: STOP HITTING ENTER |
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| 11:47.41 | factor | enter is not my problem , its the sound card |
| 11:47.42 | lk | starenka_, did you try adding yourself to audio? |
| 11:48.00 | factor | not finding said devices |
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| 11:48.50 | themill | factor: hitting enter after every four words makes it much harder for people to work out what you've done, what you haven't done and how to best help you. Please use punctuation instead of hitting enter. |
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| 11:49.05 | iateadonut | anyone know a dwg viewer? |
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| 11:49.30 | biertie_laptop | where can I find information on dh_make ? it seems that it doesn't want to work with me.. |
| 11:49.42 | orflon | for netinstall, are there any issues I should consider about before starting? |
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| 11:50.49 | starenka_ | lk: i did, i relogged in console but aplay still fails |
| 11:51.03 | SammyTheSnake | I'm trying to track down which package is responsible for a configuration file that's causing an error so I can submit a bug report, but dpkg -S /path/to/file says it's not installed with a package. Any ideas how I can track down which package created it? the file is /etc/php5/cli/conf.d/mcrypt.ini so the obvious guesses are php5 and php5-mcrypt |
| 11:51.24 | factor | I also used module-assistant to compile the alsa-source. |
| 11:51.34 | abrotman | SammyTheSnake: look at the php5-mcrypt postinst file |
| 11:51.54 | themill | SammyTheSnake: the file is actually /etc/php5/conf.d/mcrypt.ini |
| 11:52.10 | lk | starenka_, did you restart X? |
| 11:52.20 | SammyTheSnake | abrotman: looking... |
| 11:52.21 | lk | Not that it should be necessary.... |
| 11:52.26 | SammyTheSnake | themill: symlinked? |
| 11:52.38 | starenka_ | lk: do i have to? i just thought i have to logout/in to make group changes in effect |
| 11:52.39 | themill | SammyTheSnake: the conf.d directory is, yes. (and dpkg -S will like that second path) |
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| 11:52.58 | lk | Bop, the next time, you can download the kernel from here: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v2.6.34-rc7-lucid/ =P |
| 11:53.07 | lk | starenka_, give it a try. |
| 11:53.11 | SammyTheSnake | themill: so it does, that's nice :) |
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| 11:53.19 | starenka_ | lk: ohkay, cya in a while |
| 11:53.20 | abrotman | lk: that's a uh .. not a debian kernel ? |
| 11:53.25 | SammyTheSnake | makes a mental note to de-linkify any paths before asking dpkg -S |
| 11:53.26 | Bop | lk, that sure needs to update linux-base and stuff |
| 11:53.45 | lk | abrotman, he wanted the 2.6.34. |
| 11:53.51 | lk | Bop, oh, does it. |
| 11:53.59 | lk | It's at drivers/ide right now. |
| 11:54.00 | abrotman | so sohuldn't he get it from .. kernel.org ? |
| 11:54.16 | Bop | failed to compile , and lk is doing the dirty job for me |
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| 11:54.26 | Bop | gotta love # users ! |
| 11:54.27 | lk | abrotman, yeah. His compile fails. |
| 11:54.37 | themill | SammyTheSnake: sometimes it'd be nice if dpkg -S or dlocate did this for us. |
| 11:54.40 | abrotman | there is a debian repository for compiled kernels |
| 11:54.51 | Bop | abrotman, where |
| 11:54.54 | starenka | lk: ohkay aplay works now, but amarok etc still reproduces no sound |
| 11:55.02 | abrotman | Bop: let me see if i can track it down |
| 11:55.02 | SammyTheSnake | themill: true, but now it's in my brain, it'll come out whenever I want it.... low priority for me :-P |
| 11:55.06 | Bop | ok |
| 11:55.13 | abrotman | wouldn't put a PPA kernel on his machine .. or use ubuntu packages ... |
| 11:55.20 | lk | hahahah |
| 11:55.23 | themill | SammyTheSnake: "dlocate $(readlink -f /etc/php5/cli/conf.d/mcrypt.ini)" if you really want |
| 11:55.24 | Bop | what PPA means ? |
| 11:55.25 | starenka | lk: i should try adding myself to pulseaduio too? |
| 11:55.28 | beardy | SammyTheSnake: It'll come out the natural way? |
| 11:55.56 | abrotman | Bop: it means some kid decided to build/upload a kernel .. |
| 11:56.02 | SammyTheSnake | themill: remembering to do it will come more easily than how ;-) |
| 11:56.07 | abrotman | Bop: they are user-created packages |
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| 11:56.16 | SammyTheSnake | beardy: I don't think I want to conceive of any other way :-S |
| 11:56.33 | abrotman | Bop: and AFAIK, there is no QA or review for malicious software |
| 11:56.37 | jelly | ,kernels |
| 11:56.37 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.33-2-686 (2.6.33-1~experimental.5); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-12); squeeze: 2.6.32-3-686 (2.6.32-9); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.4-686 (2.6.32-11~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-21lenny4); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
| 11:56.43 | lk | starenka, didn't know there was such a group... yeah, you could try that. |
| 11:56.44 | jelly | !kernel |
| 11:56.46 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, linux-next: next-20100517, snapshot 2.6: 2.6.34-rc7-git9, mainline 2.6: 2.6.34 , stable 2.6: 2.6.34 , stable 2.6.33: 2.6.33.4 , stable 2.6.32: 2.6.32.13 , stable 2.6.31: 2.6.31.13 , stable 2.6.30: 2.6.30.10 , stable 2.6.27: 2.6.27.46 , stable 2.4.37: 2.4.37.9 |
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| 11:57.00 | beardy | Roll 3 for bonus. |
| 11:57.05 | themill | SammyTheSnake: :) it's not commonly a problem. Note also that some config files will be copied around in the postinst so they still won't get found by dpkg -S/dlocate. |
| 11:57.06 | starenka | lk: there's pulse and pulse is in sound... well worth a try i think |
| 11:57.08 | abrotman | Bop: well, it used to be kernel-archive.buildserver.net .. but it seems to be down/missing/broken |
| 11:57.13 | lk | Bop, you want to go with one of those? |
| 11:57.15 | jelly | !roll 1d3 |
| 11:57.21 | Bop | lk, no ! |
| 11:57.25 | lk | I don't know what the ETA is on this compile since next to everything was selected. |
| 11:57.25 | abrotman | Bop: why do you want a newer kernel ? |
| 11:57.31 | jelly | beardy: doesn't work! |
| 11:57.36 | Bop | cause this one is not stable |
| 11:57.41 | Bop | crashes sometimes |
| 11:57.45 | abrotman | Bop: which one is that? |
| 11:57.49 | Bop | 2.6.30-bpo |
| 11:57.55 | jelly | Bop: have you considered the possibility your hardware is at fault? |
| 11:57.59 | abrotman | you're on lenny? there is a newer bpo kernel anyways |
| 11:57.59 | SammyTheSnake | themill: surely moving config files around breaks the whole point of apt keeping track of configfiles (relevant for purge for example) ? |
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| 11:58.12 | abrotman | Bop: i think backports.org has a .32 now |
| 11:58.15 | starenka | lk: no luck :( |
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| 11:58.19 | Bop | abrotman, i've tryed 2.6.32 , crushes every 10 minutes |
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| 11:58.24 | abrotman | lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.4-686 |
| 11:58.29 | abrotman | Bop: with what message? |
| 11:58.30 | lk | lol, Bop gets segfaults when compiling kernels. |
| 11:58.38 | abrotman | yeah, that sounds like hardware, not kernel |
| 11:58.39 | starenka | lk: uid=1000(starenka) gid=1000(starenka) groups=1000(starenka),29(audio),40(src),126(pulse),129(libvirt) |
| 11:58.44 | lk | But he refuses to do run hardware diagnostics =P |
| 11:58.45 | Bop | abrotman, no message , it hangs |
| 11:59.01 | abrotman | Bop: have you tried something like a liveCD? or run a memtest? |
| 11:59.10 | Bop | yeah , memtest is fine |
| 11:59.10 | abrotman | thinks a hang isn't exactly a segfault ... |
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| 11:59.25 | themill | SammyTheSnake: the prerm is supposed to undo such changes and the maintainer scripts manage folding in various copies of the config files to help you. You'll actually find that there are quite a few files in /etc that don't belong to any package in the "dpkg" sense of the word. |
| 11:59.38 | lk | notes abrotman missed the segfault Bop posted earlier =P |
| 11:59.47 | Bop | i can repost |
| 11:59.48 | biertie | is there a way to use dh_make work in a dir who isn't formatted as foo-version |
| 11:59.49 | Bop | 1 moment |
| 11:59.50 | SammyTheSnake | themill: I guess that makes sense. it's a shame, though... |
| 11:59.55 | beardy | jelly: dpkg must have lost its die |
| 11:59.57 | Bop | fs/hpfs/buffer.c:69: internal compiler error: Segmentation fault |
| 12:00.11 | [Jasper] | hej guys, what's the default journaling mode for ext3 on debian dists? |
| 12:00.16 | jelly | Bop: does it always happen in the same place? |
| 12:00.27 | Bop | gonna retry |
| 12:00.50 | abrotman | lk: he said hang .. not me |
| 12:01.03 | lk | =) |
| 12:01.13 | Bop | also got this anoying bug in wireless |
| 12:01.21 | hideo | no, what he said was, running it, it hang, compiling, it segfaulted |
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| 12:01.38 | Bop | card loses firmware and i need to reboot to get it working again |
| 12:01.44 | jelly | Bop: do a make clean before. if the segfault doesn't happen in the same place, you have hardware issues. |
| 12:01.49 | Bop | i know 2.6.34 haves new updated drivers |
| 12:02.11 | lk | Yeah, and Bop's config seems to include _all_ drivers... hence the time necessary for this compile. |
| 12:02.21 | Bop | :| |
| 12:02.23 | lk | drivers/net/ixgbe/ixgbe_mbx.o |
| 12:02.34 | lk | Don't know how far I am from the finish line. |
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| 12:03.12 | [Jasper] | anyone? |
| 12:03.20 | kermit | did linux remove text mode support? all i see in the recent boot prompt how is framebuffer modes. |
| 12:03.21 | [Jasper] | what is the default journaling mode for ext3 on debian? |
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| 12:03.29 | nsadmin | debian's configs usually include all drivers possible |
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| 12:03.58 | lk | What comes after driver module compilation? |
| 12:04.37 | nsadmin | isn't it basically done after that? |
| 12:04.41 | jelly | [Jasper]: which debian release? |
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| 12:04.58 | lk | nsadmin, better question, what's after drivers/net? |
| 12:05.20 | nsadmin | look at the makefile in drivers |
| 12:05.30 | beardy | kermit: No, it's not removed, afaik.. but it autodetects and uses fb if possible I suppose. |
| 12:06.23 | beardy | kermit: Do you want to use textmode, or just have another size? |
| 12:07.09 | kermit | beardy: i have a thing for real text mode. i'm old :) |
| 12:07.37 | jelly | judd: kernelconfig EXT3_DEFAULTS_TO_ORDERED --release squeeze |
| 12:07.40 | judd | Searching for 'EXT3_DEFAULTS_TO_ORDERED' in squeeze kernel config gives EXT3_DEFAULTS_TO_ORDERED=y. |
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| 12:07.56 | jelly | [Jasper]: ^^ that's for the upcoming release |
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| 12:08.14 | nsadmin | judd should say what kernel version that is |
| 12:08.22 | lk | Bop, should've asked you to do this: http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ =) |
| 12:08.30 | jelly | nsadmin: the default in that release |
| 12:08.45 | beardy | kermit: Not sure if the old video mode stuff is still valid.. |
| 12:08.51 | beardy | !nofb |
| 12:08.51 | dpkg | To disable framebuffer use at Debian installation time, supply the "fb=false" (d-i) or "video=vga16:off" (kernel) boot options. |
| 12:08.58 | Bop | lk, great ! |
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| 12:10.11 | beardy | kermit: Try the above. |
| 12:10.18 | kermit | beardy: ahh, ty! |
| 12:10.47 | lk | drivers/staging/comedi/drivers/dmm32at.o right now. |
| 12:12.12 | Bop | lk, ohh , i thought it would generate a config for my hardware :x |
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| 12:12.47 | lk | Bop, it helps you figure out how to generate the config for your hardware. I do wonder, thought, whether there's an "auto" config out there somewhere. |
| 12:12.58 | lk | It _is_ 2010 after all. |
| 12:13.09 | Bop | yeah , should have that by now |
| 12:13.30 | Bop | generate a .config from lspci would be great |
| 12:13.58 | lindi- | Bop: but why waste time on that? it'd require constant maintenance |
| 12:14.10 | Bop | sure |
| 12:14.14 | nsadmin | and the kernel doesn't? |
| 12:14.19 | lindi- | just build all modules. you can remove the ones you don't need later if you really need disk space |
| 12:14.31 | abrotman | i thought Bop was trying to recreate the segfault ? |
| 12:14.33 | Bop | yeah , that's what i do |
| 12:14.40 | Bop | im am abou_7anash_009 |
| 12:14.42 | Bop | abrotman, |
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| 12:14.58 | Bop | still compiling |
| 12:15.13 | lk | Bop, @ drivers/video/kyro/STG4000InitDevice.o now. |
| 12:15.34 | Bop | @ CC [M] drivers/ide/setup-pci.o |
| 12:15.52 | abrotman | is this a race? |
| 12:15.56 | Bop | no |
| 12:16.00 | Bop | just useless info |
| 12:16.01 | lk | abrotman, first segfault wins! |
| 12:16.05 | Bop | lol |
| 12:16.10 | starenka | :) |
| 12:16.23 | nsadmin | you've got some enteritis going... |
| 12:16.45 | Bop | what do u guys think of ati HD 4650 |
| 12:16.51 | Bop | im thinking in buyin one |
| 12:16.54 | themill | contemplates kill -11 Bop lk |
| 12:16.55 | lk | nsadmin, I will if I gobble any more of these oreos.... |
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| 12:17.47 | nsadmin | don't give yourself diabetes :) |
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| 12:19.28 | [Jasper] | jelly debian stable |
| 12:19.55 | lk | nsadmin, after drivers there was sound and now there's net. Impressive. |
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| 12:21.24 | jelly | [Jasper]: it uses an old enough kernel where that feature wasn't configurable at all |
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| 12:22.18 | NiLon | laptop & linux *sigh* |
| 12:22.42 | [Jasper] | hmm k jelly |
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| 12:22.51 | [Jasper] | so what's the default if it's not configurable jelly ? :P |
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| 12:23.14 | jelly | [Jasper]: the same as in vanilla kernel |
| 12:23.25 | jelly | pre-2.6.30 |
| 12:24.00 | lk | Bop, try this sometime: http://ftp.grokthis.net/pub/old-scripts/linux/original/lkamcu/ |
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| 12:25.56 | Bop | lk, but that doesnt create the debian package :| |
| 12:26.20 | icebrain | is there any repository with pre-built gallium drivers? |
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| 12:28.55 | Bop | lk, now this error |
| 12:28.55 | Bop | drivers/net/sundance.c:1531: error: expected â)â |
| 12:28.56 | Bop | drivers/net/sundance.c:1531: error: too few arguments to function âcrc32_leâ |
| 12:29.14 | lk | Bop, you'll want to run some hardware tests =) |
| 12:29.19 | Bop | :| |
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| 12:29.34 | Bop | u know some reliable tests ? |
| 12:29.38 | Bop | other than memtest |
| 12:29.43 | lk | Try breakin. |
| 12:29.54 | Bop | what's that |
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| 12:29.57 | lk | It'll test "everything" and is usually quick indicator whether something's wrong. |
| 12:30.08 | jelly | Bop: one reliable test is running a kernel build in loop. :-) |
| 12:30.10 | lk | Then you can find more specific tests. |
| 12:30.16 | lk | lol |
| 12:30.18 | nsadmin | why not memtest? |
| 12:30.27 | Bop | cause i know that |
| 12:30.35 | Bop | breakin is the name of the software ? |
| 12:30.40 | lk | Yeah. |
| 12:30.57 | lk | http://www.advancedclustering.com/software/breakin.html |
| 12:31.01 | jelly | Bop: your machine wouldn't be overclocked, would it? |
| 12:31.03 | lindi- | lk: is that free? |
| 12:31.09 | lk | lindi-, yes. |
| 12:31.12 | Bop | no , stock speed |
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| 12:31.31 | lk | It's a laptop, right Bop? |
| 12:31.44 | Bop | nope, desktop |
| 12:32.03 | lindi- | lk: are you sure? it seems to be a complete distro |
| 12:32.19 | abrotman | Bop: how long did you let memtest run ? |
| 12:32.19 | lk | It basically is a live distro, yes, lindi-. |
| 12:32.36 | lindi- | lk: so a lot of parts that could potentially be non-free |
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| 12:32.53 | Bop | abrotman, about 2 cycles |
| 12:33.03 | abrotman | Bop: there's also an app called 'cpuburn' .. fair warning that I had it cook a computer |
| 12:33.08 | lk | lindi-, that might be possible, yes. I don't know for sure. |
| 12:33.09 | abrotman | Bop: try letting memtest run overnight |
| 12:33.17 | Bop | ok |
| 12:33.28 | lk | Oh, nice, it failed. |
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| 12:33.32 | lindi- | Bop: memtest86, memtest86+ and cpuburn are all part of debian |
| 12:33.33 | Bop | lol ! |
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| 12:33.41 | lindi- | Bop: so it's easy to test |
| 12:33.46 | nsadmin | cpuburn tries to get the cpu going at max so it heats up? |
| 12:33.48 | abrotman | Bop: but cpuburn basically beats the crap out of the CPU, but it really did end a machine for me .. there's also an app called 'stress' |
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| 12:33.51 | lk | http://lk.pastebin.com/mvN8g8Kb |
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| 12:34.04 | abrotman | nsadmin: aptitude show cpuburn ? |
| 12:34.08 | Bop | i dont want my cpu to get burned ! |
| 12:34.09 | dragos240 | How can I redirect a terminal to a monitor. For example, I have my netbook hooked up to this monitor. I can use xorg with the monitor, but not a tty terminal. How can I use the monitor instead of the netbook's. |
| 12:34.29 | abrotman | Bop: so look at 'stress' |
| 12:34.37 | icebrain | lindi-: according to the website it's all OSS except an Intel and an AMD libraries |
| 12:35.25 | lindi- | icebrain: ah so it's non-free and could not be included in debian main? |
| 12:36.38 | icebrain | lindi-: I guess, but having a dedicated distro can be nice |
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| 12:37.55 | lk | Bop, looks like this is a known bug: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=561569 |
| 12:37.59 | dragos240 | Is there a way I can do the above? |
| 12:38.11 | lk | Not exactly that one, but a different one. |
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| 12:38.56 | abrotman | lk: totally different bug? |
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| 12:39.15 | lk | This is what I got: http://lk.pastebin.com/mvN8g8Kb |
| 12:39.44 | Winkie | hey gents, anyone happen to know if someone's packaged postgresql 9.0beta1 for lenny? I may have to do it myself D: |
| 12:39.52 | tarzeau | !no |
| 12:39.52 | dpkg | No Offense, or den norske debian kanalen #debian-no. For skandinaviske brukere av debian. It is the norwegian channel #debian-no for scandinavian users. |
| 12:39.58 | tarzeau | !dk |
| 12:39.58 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, dk is Hvis du vil tale dansk og få hjælp til debian, skriv /join #linux.dk in your irc client, also the country Denmark |
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| 12:40.09 | abrotman | tarzeau: msg the bot? |
| 12:40.17 | tarzeau | abrotman: ah true, tack |
| 12:40.26 | Bop | lk, nevermind , thanks anyway ! |
| 12:40.37 | abrotman | Winkie: i doubt it .. hasn't been out very long i don't think |
| 12:40.44 | dragos240 | How can I redirect a terminal to a monitor. For example, I have my netbook hooked up to this monitor. I can use xorg with the monitor, but not a tty terminal. How can I use the monitor instead of the netbook's. |
| 12:40.45 | lk | lol, sorry. Kept you waiting for an hour. |
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| 12:41.14 | Winkie | abrotman: indeed, but i was hoping ;) |
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| 12:41.33 | Winkie | dragos240: that is an interesting question, i'm not convinced you will be able to |
| 12:41.47 | Winkie | typically a terminal depends on writing to a framebuffer, but i don't think that any modern multi monitor card provides a seperate framebuffer interface |
| 12:41.51 | abrotman | dragos240: Fn+<button that changes your monitor) |
| 12:41.52 | Bushmills | dragos240: a full screen xterm on second monitor is probably the easiest way |
| 12:41.54 | lk | Alright Bop time to sleep for me, ttyl. |
| 12:41.55 | Winkie | simply xorg drivers to take advantage of multi monitors? |
| 12:41.59 | Winkie | abrotman: oh that might work |
| 12:42.14 | Bop | lk, k thanks , bye ! |
| 12:42.21 | abrotman | dragos240: most laptops hav ea button to do this .. on my thinkpad i think it's Fn+F6 |
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| 12:42.34 | dragos240 | I can look on mine. Thanks! |
| 12:42.52 | abrotman | wouldn't he want to know what that button looks like? |
| 12:43.02 | jelly | Fn? |
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| 12:43.22 | icebrain | jelly: yeah, it's a special key in many laptops |
| 12:43.23 | abrotman | jelly: Fn .. Function .. on my thinkpad, it's a blue key |
| 12:43.36 | jelly | abrotman: no, that's enter! |
| 12:43.42 | abrotman | jelly: well, that too |
| 12:43.54 | jelly | and that thing on the top! |
| 12:45.04 | Bop | can i add 1 iso to my grub ? |
| 12:45.07 | Bop | to boot the iso |
| 12:45.20 | Bop | without burning it on cd |
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| 12:47.01 | cristi8 | *: how can i play .amr audio files? |
| 12:47.08 | JPT | with real player |
| 12:47.48 | cristi8 | JPT: package? |
| 12:48.04 | JPT | seems to be in a different source |
| 12:48.04 | JPT | http://www.debianadmin.com/install-realplayer-in-debian-sargeetch-and-sid.html |
| 12:49.02 | cristi8 | oh.. lenny can't play those files? do i *need* debian-multimedia repo? i don't want to break my system again |
| 12:49.31 | JPT | hmm.. i don't know other tools that might be able to play that.. |
| 12:49.45 | JPT | but adding another repo should not cause your system to collapse |
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| 12:50.27 | icebrain | Bop: possibly, there's a few references online, but can't you burn a CD? |
| 12:50.42 | Bop | not working lol |
| 12:50.52 | Bushmills | mplayer has support for real audio, but no idea whether it plays those |
| 12:51.09 | hideo | heh, 999 nicks |
| 12:51.34 | jelly | that's 333 more than 666! |
| 12:51.57 | hideo | you're good at math =) |
| 12:52.07 | Bop | its one and a half demon |
| 12:52.14 | icebrain | Bop: you could also create a new partition, format it and copy the files from the iso to it, then update grub. |
| 12:52.20 | cristi8 | mplayer gives "can't find codec" error. i read that it has to be compiled with special flags to add support |
| 12:52.37 | icebrain | cristi8: mplayer from debian-multimedia or from main? |
| 12:53.01 | icebrain | from debian-multimedia has support for non-free codecs |
| 12:53.02 | cristi8 | icebrain: from main. i preffer keeping my repos to lenny, as stability is vital for my system |
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| 12:53.55 | icebrain | you can always compile it yourself, but I've never had any problems with multimedia |
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| 12:54.11 | Bushmills | then convert those .amr files on a different system to .ogg, before moving them to your system |
| 12:54.35 | Winkie | nothing on debian-multimedia will affect system stability in any way |
| 12:54.50 | Winkie | the only things that could potentially affect stability are the kernel, or running daemons |
| 12:54.55 | Winkie | neither of which you are likely to grab from d-m |
| 12:55.03 | icebrain | Bushmills: yeah, that would work. There are also some websites that claim to be able to do it |
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| 12:55.37 | cristi8 | Bushmills: yep, that's an ideea.. as i don't have many .amr files. i didn't knew .amr is a nonfree format |
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| 13:00.15 | abrotman | Winkie: could also affect the legality of the software on yuor computer |
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| 13:02.47 | merovinq_ | Hey guys, I am running into a "Error 13: Invalid or Unsupported Executable Format" when I restarted my debian server... It is not dual boot which is the case with most the threads I've been reading. Anyone have anything I can try? |
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| 13:03.56 | Winkie | abrotman: fair point |
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| 13:04.57 | lindi- | merovinq_: can you boot a livecd? |
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| 13:05.20 | merovinq_ | have not tried, I will have to download one. gimme a few |
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| 13:06.03 | merovinq_ | what would I do after I boot the live cd? |
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| 13:07.54 | merovinq_ | there is a whole list of live cd's which would I download for a webserver? http://wiki.debian.org/LiveCD |
| 13:08.14 | ReeF | hi amsterdam ! |
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| 13:08.34 | lindi- | merovinq_: i would boot the system under qemu from the livecd in read-only mode |
| 13:09.08 | lindi- | merovinq_: if it fails there then it is a lot easier to diagnose the issue further (you avoid all the rebooting...) |
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| 13:11.57 | merovinq_ | qemu is Virtualized without a cd right? I can't find a cd for that.. forgive me my knowledge of linux is minimal. |
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| 13:14.20 | abrotman | without a CD ? |
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| 13:14.34 | jordanm | merovinq_: you would typically not use a livecd for a webserver... |
| 13:15.07 | merovinq_ | I know, I am getting a "Error 13: Invalid or Unsupported Executable Format" after a reboot, and I am not sure how to fix it. |
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| 13:15.35 | jordanm | merovinq_: after a reboot of what? |
| 13:15.49 | merovinq_ | I know basic bash command line stuff. and how to set up webserver but very little linux beyong that |
| 13:16.03 | jordanm | !newb |
| 13:16.03 | dpkg | Don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell. |
| 13:16.21 | jordanm | merovinq_: what is giving the error? |
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| 13:17.35 | lindi- | merovinq_: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/current-live/i386/usb-hdd/debian-live-504-i386-gnome-desktop.img will probably be useful for you in the future too |
| 13:17.48 | lindi- | jordanm: grub |
| 13:18.28 | merovinq_ | sec here is the exact eerror |
| 13:18.35 | jordanm | lindi-: in the guest? prior to installation? |
| 13:18.41 | lindi- | merovinq_: do you have a second computer that runs some gnu/linux system? |
| 13:18.44 | chut | hi people, how come for truetype fonts i put medium size and cap size in there, it's only show the cap and won't show the medium size |
| 13:18.50 | chut | is there a way i can fix this? |
| 13:18.52 | lindi- | jordanm: guest? you have virtualization already? |
| 13:19.23 | tarzeau | chut: in which program? |
| 13:19.32 | chut | any program |
| 13:19.44 | tarzeau | chut: in inkscape you can use the pulldown menu on top to set font settings |
| 13:19.53 | chut | i have avantgarde medium size and when i put avantgarde medium caps in there |
| 13:19.55 | merovinq_ | "/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-2-amd64 root=/dev/sda1 ro quiet partition type 0x83 Error 13: Invalid or Unsupported Executable Format" |
| 13:19.59 | chut | all the fonts change to cap |
| 13:20.04 | tarzeau | chut: i don't think so, gnustep apps handle fonts different, gnome, gimp, openoffice, kde, they all handle them different |
| 13:20.10 | chut | put it /usr/share/fonts/truetype |
| 13:20.13 | tarzeau | chut: can you make a screenshot? |
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| 13:21.06 | chut | i can't take a screenshot here because i have no x |
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| 13:26.12 | Bop | breakin diagnostics only works with x86_64 cpus :/ |
| 13:26.13 | bobsaccamano | hi..i have a query for the experts: I'm planning to run a linux vm in a windows xp host on a medium config laptop.. (core 2 duo, 2gb ram) I will be using it primarily for programming (rails, processing, simulations). I had previously run ubuntu 9.04 vm in a desktop but was disappointed with its sluggishness |
| 13:26.33 | bobsaccamano | was wondering if debian would be right for my purposes |
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| 13:27.16 | Abhishek_Singh | can anybody please tell me name of a software that is basically written in PHP,XML and javascript and also available as .deb package |
| 13:27.27 | unkmar | !tell unkmar alsa |
| 13:27.28 | Vroomfondle | bobsaccamano: debian makes a fine development host, yes |
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| 13:28.23 | bobsaccamano | Vroomfondle: how about package management, network mgmt, and stability in a VM (win XP host)? |
| 13:28.41 | rindolf | Abhishek_Singh: there are packages of WordPress, Drupal, etc. for Debian. |
| 13:28.45 | rindolf | In the apt repository. |
| 13:28.57 | jelly | bobsaccamano: the percieved sluggishness might have been due to unoptimal configuration... did you give your vm enough ram? |
| 13:29.12 | Vroomfondle | bobsaccamano: package management is the same as Ubuntu. Ubuntu's package management is derived directly from Debian's. Network management is pretty similar too on the whole. Stability depends what VM software you are using. |
| 13:29.16 | bobsaccamano | jelly: 512, i had 1gb on the desktop |
| 13:29.22 | Abhishek_Singh | rindolf:are you sure that they are available as .deb package |
| 13:29.26 | bobsaccamano | vbox |
| 13:29.36 | rindolf | Abhishek_Singh: yes. |
| 13:29.46 | Abhishek_Singh | ok thanks |
| 13:29.54 | abrotman | Bop: i gave you another package to look at |
| 13:29.55 | rindolf | Abhishek_Singh: they may have some dependencies. |
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| 13:30.04 | Vroomfondle | Debian runs very well in vbox, yes |
| 13:30.06 | Bop | abrotman, sorry , cpuburn ? |
| 13:30.15 | abrotman | Bop: 'stress' .. i said it like five times |
| 13:30.24 | bobsaccamano | Vroomfondle: hmm..any caveats i should know about? |
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| 13:30.48 | Abhishek_Singh | rindolf:i need that because i want to make .deb package of a tarball tht is also written in PHP, XML, javascript |
| 13:31.00 | Abhishek_Singh | so i can try to get concepts from tht |
| 13:31.02 | Bop | ok thanks , abrotman |
| 13:31.10 | rindolf | Abhishek_Singh: I see. |
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| 13:31.48 | Vroomfondle | bobsaccamano: not really. It should "just work". You won't be able to run a bling-bling KDE4 desktop at full speed in a 512MB VM without it being sluggish, but the default Debian GNOME desktop should be okay (assuming you install the vbox extensions via the usual method) |
| 13:32.00 | Abhishek_Singh | rindolf:but the problem is that the tarball doesnt have a makefile of build.xml |
| 13:32.11 | bobsaccamano | Vroomfondle: yes |
| 13:32.56 | Abhishek_Singh | rindolf:and also asks for password of postgresql datbase several times and other parameters of postgresql database |
| 13:33.14 | rindolf | Abhishek_Singh: build.xml is Ant I think. |
| 13:33.19 | Abhishek_Singh | rindolf:do you have some experience in making .deb packages |
| 13:33.25 | Abhishek_Singh | yes you are right |
| 13:33.26 | Bop | abrotman, the default stress parameters, worked well |
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| 13:33.34 | rindolf | Abhishek_Singh: no, I don't - only .src.rpm's. |
| 13:33.38 | abrotman | Bop: they did what? |
| 13:33.57 | Bop | stress: dbug: [4509] <-- worker 4512 signalled normally |
| 13:33.57 | Bop | stress: info: [4509] successful run completed in 10s |
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| 13:34.05 | Abhishek_Singh | rindolf:.rpm are similar to .deb in some manner |
| 13:34.10 | abrotman | Bop: i'd probably try a bit longer .. |
| 13:34.22 | Bop | abrotman, can u give me the line ? |
| 13:34.31 | rindolf | Abhishek_Singh: they serve a similar purpose. |
| 13:34.31 | abrotman | if i install it ? |
| 13:34.37 | Abhishek_Singh | rindolf: how will you counter those requirements in .rpm |
| 13:35.01 | abrotman | Bop: -t 60 .. for sixty seconds |
| 13:35.03 | rindolf | Abhishek_Singh: well, maybe I'll patch the build process. |
| 13:35.10 | rindolf | Abhishek_Singh: to have hard-coded values. |
| 13:35.32 | Abhishek_Singh | i need to prepare a package for linux, i can try to make .rpm for that client |
| 13:35.33 | abrotman | Bop: you should really look at the man page ... there are more than a few things you might want to adjust |
| 13:35.49 | rindolf | Abhishek_Singh: the build process of .rpm-s (or .deb-s for that matter - I *think*) should be fully automatic. |
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| 13:36.36 | Abhishek_Singh | rindolf:you are right. but the they are automatic only when you have a makefile |
| 13:36.36 | Bop | 60 secs , fine |
| 13:36.39 | Bop | all fine |
| 13:36.59 | rindolf | Abhishek_Singh: or a similar build process. |
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| 13:37.22 | merovinq_ | so it sounds like I am getting stuck at grub? right? And grub is for booting multiple Operating SYstems on the same machine... right? Can I skip grub? |
| 13:37.30 | rindolf | Abhishek_Singh: there's also SCons, Waf, CMake (an abstraction above makefiles.), etc. etc. |
| 13:37.39 | nsadmin | or the build is very simple |
| 13:37.48 | themill | rindolf: anything but waf... |
| 13:38.13 | rindolf | themill: I never worked with waf - only used it to build xmms2-0.7 on Mandriva. |
| 13:38.23 | SPF | currently running lenny. After installation of a package from sid, should I change back /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 13:38.25 | Abhishek_Singh | rindolf:should i try to make a makefile for that software |
| 13:38.28 | rindolf | Because that's what the xmms2 people decided upon. |
| 13:38.37 | rindolf | Abhishek_Singh: an antfile should be good enough. |
| 13:38.46 | Abhishek_Singh | rindolf:inorder to automate the build process |
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| 13:38.53 | rindolf | Abhishek_Singh: I think you can also write a small shell script (inside the .deb) to build everything. |
| 13:39.03 | themill | rindolf: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2010/02/msg00714.html |
| 13:39.25 | Abhishek_Singh | rindolf:it has an installation script to perform its installation |
| 13:39.43 | rindolf | Abhishek_Singh: ah. |
| 13:39.48 | Abhishek_Singh | rindolf:but the client is now asking for a .deb package for that software |
| 13:39.54 | rindolf | Abhishek_Singh: ah. |
| 13:40.25 | rindolf | Abhishek_Singh: you may wish to switch its build process to something more automated. |
| 13:40.43 | Abhishek_Singh | rindolf:another problem is that it needs to modify some of the files like default file in apache directory |
| 13:41.18 | rindolf | Abhishek_Singh: can't you add a new file under /etc/apache/conf.d (or whatever the exact Debian path is)? |
| 13:41.19 | Abhishek_Singh | rindolf:it actually needs to add virtual host in that directory |
| 13:41.25 | rindolf | Abhishek_Singh: ah. |
| 13:41.31 | rindolf | Abhishek_Singh: hmmm.... |
| 13:41.42 | Abhishek_Singh | rindolf:s/directory/file |
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| 13:42.28 | t3v | i got this error: Nepomuk Semantic Desktop needs the Virtuoso RDF server to store its data. Installing the Virtuoso Soprano plugin is mandatory for using Nepomuk |
| 13:42.38 | t3v | someone help me plz |
| 13:42.58 | Abhishek_Singh | rindolf:so now you may be having a clear idea of the problem that i need to to do |
| 13:42.59 | rindolf | t3v: hi. |
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| 13:43.22 | rindolf | t3v: did you try looking for the Virtuoso Soprano plugin ? |
| 13:43.33 | rindolf | Abhishek_Singh: yes, I do. |
| 13:43.37 | rindolf | Abhishek_Singh: let me think. |
| 13:44.04 | Abhishek_Singh | rindolf:take your time, and please do ping me back when you have some solution |
| 13:44.13 | rindolf | Abhishek_Singh: does the client want an all-in-one-.deb or can you do it part-deb / part script. |
| 13:44.16 | rindolf | ? |
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| 13:44.35 | rindolf | Abhishek_Singh: is this application yours or did you inherit it from somewhere? |
| 13:44.43 | t3v | rindolf: yes if that will solve the error |
| 13:44.59 | rindolf | t3v: that was in past tense. |
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| 13:45.05 | rindolf | t3v: did you or are you going to? |
| 13:45.10 | Abhishek_Singh | rindolf:the client has just asked me to make a .deb file |
| 13:45.25 | Abhishek_Singh | rindolf:he hasn't specified anything else |
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| 13:45.48 | t3v | rindolf: ?..i dont get it.. |
| 13:46.08 | rindolf | t3v: did you already look for the Soprano plugin? |
| 13:46.16 | rindolf | t3v: or do you intend to look for one in the future? |
| 13:46.56 | cornelinux | hi there, I am creating a deb package. Everything works fine so far, but my debian/config is only executed when doing dpkg-reconfigure. Not during install. Any ideas? |
| 13:47.07 | t3v | rindolf: i want that plugin because i cant start my desktop after login kdm |
| 13:47.32 | Abhishek_Singh | rindolf:this application is of that client |
| 13:47.35 | babilen | !tell cornelinux about mentors |
| 13:47.36 | rindolf | t3v: then look for it in the apt-get repository (it's apt-cache search IIRC) and install it. |
| 13:47.54 | rindolf | Abhishek_Singh: ah. |
| 13:47.57 | rindolf | Abhishek_Singh: I see. |
| 13:48.01 | rindolf | Abhishek_Singh: hmmm... |
| 13:48.15 | rindolf | Abhishek_Singh: then you may wish to modify its build-system. |
| 13:48.23 | rindolf | Abhishek_Singh: and make it better. |
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| 13:48.47 | Abhishek_Singh | rindolf:what do you mean "build-system"? |
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| 13:49.53 | rindolf | Abhishek_Singh: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Build_automation |
| 13:49.57 | t3v | rindolf: did you mean this the plugins: libsoprano4 |
| 13:50.12 | rindolf | t3v: I don't know what it's called. |
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| 13:50.24 | babilen | cornelinux: Got that? |
| 13:50.26 | rindolf | t3v: maybe try asking on #kde |
| 13:51.09 | cornelinux | babilen: Thx, as I am stuck i will go to this mailing list. |
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| 13:51.32 | t3v | rindolf: but #kde said to asking on #debian |
| 13:51.44 | babilen | cornelinux: They have a channel on OFTC - just "/server irc.oftc.net" and "/j #debian-mentors" |
| 13:51.53 | abrotman | t3v: there is a #debian-kde on irc.oftc.net |
| 13:51.53 | unkmar | Hello friends. I know I have been through this before. my alsa is working, but I am not getting a /dev/dsp so that my festival will work. |
| 13:52.05 | abrotman | unkmar: load the OSS modules? |
| 13:52.09 | abrotman | put them in /etc/modules? |
| 13:52.14 | lindi- | unkmar: i think festival supports alsa nowadays |
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| 13:52.35 | unkmar | lindi-: nowdays equal lenny? |
| 13:52.43 | lindi- | unkmar: /etc/festival.scm here has a hack: (Parameter.set 'Audio_Command "head -c -12021 $FILE | aplay -q -c 1 -f S16_LE -r $SR /dev/stdin") |
| 13:53.23 | lindi- | unkmar: (Parameter.set 'Audio_Method 'Audio_Command) |
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| 13:53.53 | oreo | Hey everyone! What FTP server can I use on Lenny that supports virtual folders, can chmod and chown the files to the user uploading, and can use a text file for virtual users+chroots? |
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| 13:54.10 | t3v | abrotman: thankz |
| 13:54.26 | abrotman | wtf is thankz ? |
| 13:54.38 | Abhishek_Singh | rindolf:creating a makefile can make the process of making .deb package easier |
| 13:54.44 | rindolf | Abhishek_Singh: right. |
| 13:54.51 | rindolf | Abhishek_Singh: there are other build-systems. |
| 13:54.58 | rindolf | Abhishek_Singh: but a makefile may be enough. |
| 13:55.30 | Abhishek_Singh | rindolf:and creating a makefile needs to create a lot of other ifle like configure, configure.ac etc. |
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| 13:55.43 | unkmar | abrotman: oss-compat fixedi t. |
| 13:55.47 | unkmar | *fixed it |
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| 13:56.53 | rindolf | Abhishek_Singh: you don't have to use GNU Autotools (a.k.a. Autohell) for that. |
| 13:57.04 | rindolf | Abhishek_Singh: there's CMake to say the least. |
| 13:57.23 | rindolf | Though in your case a makefile and/or a shell/perl/etc. script may be adequate. |
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| 13:58.37 | Abhishek_Singh | rindolf:ok, so do you mean that now i should concentrate on making makefile for that software |
| 13:58.49 | rindolf | Abhishek_Singh: yes. |
| 13:59.20 | Abhishek_Singh | rindolf:ok i will try that, and ping you when i get into some problem |
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| 13:59.31 | Abhishek_Singh | rindolf:thanks for help :) |
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| 14:21.43 | Bisu[Shield] | how do i open a port: I tried /sbin/iptables -A INPUT -i eth0 -p tcp --destination-port 3306 -j ACCEPT then service iptables save and i got the error message: iptables: unrecognized service |
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| 14:22.54 | lindi- | Bisu[Shield]: how did you close it? |
| 14:23.20 | Bisu[Shield] | im a newbie |
| 14:23.22 | Bisu[Shield] | I entered /sbin/iptables -A INPUT -i eth0 -p tcp --destination-port 3306 -j ACCEPT |
| 14:23.26 | Bisu[Shield] | to make the entry |
| 14:23.37 | Bisu[Shield] | and tried service iptables save to save |
| 14:23.42 | Bisu[Shield] | FYI I am using ubuntu |
| 14:24.36 | babilen | Bisu[Shield]: Well - Ask in either #ubuntu and/or in #netfilter. The question "How did you close it?" is quite important as the answer to it will help you to find a way to open it. Good luck |
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| 14:28.48 | unkmar | Um, I'm tyring to add non-free to my sources list so that I can install flash. Yeah I know flash sucks. |
| 14:29.02 | icebrain | unkmar: and what's the problem? |
| 14:29.24 | unkmar | finding what to add to the sources list. |
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| 14:29.32 | icebrain | !non-free sources |
| 14:29.32 | dpkg | Edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then aptitude update. But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses. See also <sources.list>. |
| 14:29.42 | unkmar | well, that was easy. |
| 14:29.52 | unkmar | danke |
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| 14:30.01 | icebrain | don't forget to update |
| 14:30.24 | unkmar | but of course. :P |
| 14:30.29 | manic | i should get an ipv6 address from my router but my host doesnt have this v6 ip address. any hints or links how to debug this? |
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| 14:30.49 | wols | manic: what makes you sure you have a ipv6 router? |
| 14:31.05 | manic | wols: my admin |
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| 14:32.09 | wols | !tell manic about ipv6 |
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| 14:46.38 | volk | I just installed a program from source called lsyncd, how do I remove/delete it? |
| 14:47.00 | rindolf | volk: where did you install it to? |
| 14:47.14 | dimir | volk: make uninstall? |
| 14:47.14 | rindolf | volk: was it a ./configure ; make ; make install program? |
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| 14:47.24 | volk | it was was it a ./configure ; make ; make install program? |
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| 14:47.40 | rindolf | volk: then you can try make uninstall |
| 14:47.56 | volk | ok, it was installed to the /usr/bin directiotory, do I try that there? |
| 14:48.12 | wols | volk: HOW exactly did you install it? |
| 14:48.15 | volk | ** /usr/local/bin |
| 14:48.15 | jelly | volk: negative, do it from where you ran "make install" |
| 14:48.20 | babilen | volk: No you try that in the same directory in which you executed "make install" |
| 14:48.24 | volk | ok thanks |
| 14:48.29 | babilen | !tell volk about usrlocal |
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| 14:49.05 | babilen | volk: read that and the factoid on stow (/msg dpkg stow - or just say "stow" to dpkg) |
| 14:49.05 | themill | volk: there's one extra step they didn't mention: hope that the people who wrote that makefile provided an "uninstall" target that works. |
| 14:49.30 | volk | ill keep that in mind next time, thanks |
| 14:49.38 | babilen | volk: If "make uninstall" does not work you'll have to delete the files yourself and undo every change the "make install" step might have done |
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| 14:51.57 | setuid | is there a way to get apt-get to not prompt for the default answers/questions using the whiptail dialog when installing packages? |
| 14:52.36 | setuid | I'm trying to automate the installation of a bunch of packages, but I don't want the automation to block by asking for input |
| 14:53.04 | babilen | setuid: --assume-yes/-y/--yes ? |
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| 14:53.37 | babilen | setuid: What are you trying to do/achieve? |
| 14:53.43 | themill | setuid: you probably want to use debconf-set-selections to pre-answer the questions and then DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive aptitude install foo. |
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| 14:56.29 | unkmar | how do I reload my permissions when I have added myself to a group? |
| 14:57.31 | jordanm | unkmar: relog |
| 14:57.37 | petern_ | log out and back in |
| 14:59.02 | babilen | unkmar: "newgrp -" |
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| 15:03.24 | unkmar | newgrp isn't doing it. and I would rather not logout to login. |
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| 15:05.09 | babilen | unkmar: Really? Haven't used it in a while - How did you test it? (manpage: If the optional - flag is given, the user´s environment will be reinitialized as though the user had logged in, ...) |
| 15:05.59 | themill | running that in a shell doesn't change your X session though, if that's what is being tried |
| 15:06.08 | babilen | sure |
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| 15:06.18 | unkmar | babilen: unkmar@localhost:~$ groups |
| 15:06.19 | unkmar | unkmar dialout cdrom floppy audio video plugdev |
| 15:06.27 | unkmar | I should be seeing sudo and fuse on that second line. |
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| 15:06.55 | babilen | and you executed "newgrp -" in that shell? |
| 15:07.01 | unkmar | yes. |
| 15:07.12 | babilen | i'll have to test that - give me a second |
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| 15:11.17 | babilen | well - i could reproduce that ... guess you'll have to log out/in |
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| 15:11.52 | unkmar | babilen: how fun. and lose all 7 xterms. |
| 15:12.11 | karlpinc_ | You could start a new "login shell". I forget the details. Man bash. (probably "bash -l") |
| 15:12.55 | karlpinc_ | unkmar: If nothing else, "su - myusername" would do it. |
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| 15:14.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | ssh localhost :-P |
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| 15:14.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | but why shouldn't newgrp work? |
| 15:15.07 | babilen | CutMeOwnThroat: No idea - I could reproduce that. Haven't used it in ages though ... |
| 15:15.09 | karlpinc_ | CutMeOwnThroat: You don't get assigned to a group until you re-login. So you need something like su to actually do a login. |
| 15:15.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | newgrp does that! |
| 15:15.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | the factoid said so and I tried it |
| 15:15.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | not too long ago on lenny |
| 15:15.46 | babilen | CutMeOwnThroat: It's working for you on lenny? |
| 15:15.50 | karlpinc_ | Could be I'm not paying attention. Is this about putting a user in a new group? |
| 15:15.57 | babilen | karlpinc_: yes |
| 15:16.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | I tried less than a year ago, I think |
| 15:16.24 | karlpinc_ | Well, changes don't happen to already logged-in users. |
| 15:16.26 | babilen | CutMeOwnThroat: I've just tried it on squeeze and it is not working - the groups stay the same |
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| 15:16.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | grr, I could invent a group and try |
| 15:16.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | or take an existing one |
| 15:17.23 | nsadmin | newgrp is similar to ssh-agent and chroot in that they all create a new process to establish their environment in |
| 15:17.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | wtf is the group 'paper' or 'sbox' those things act like hangwires |
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| 15:17.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | babilen, how did you add the group? |
| 15:18.32 | babilen | CutMeOwnThroat: addgroup |
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| 15:18.46 | thrashold | What's the command to purge init.d files left by uninstalled packages? |
| 15:18.49 | nsadmin | you'll know the group will have effect when you run groups and it shows the group yuou want |
| 15:18.58 | karlpinc_ | newgrp changes the (made up vocabularly here) "current group", when you're a member of multiple groups only one can be the group that's associated with newly created files and the like. newgrp changes that. Adding another group to the list of groups the user belongs to is a different action. |
| 15:19.06 | nsadmin | purge the package |
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| 15:19.14 | thrashold | I have no idea which are the packages |
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| 15:19.23 | thrashold | error: Problems detected: package kbd left obsolete init.d script behind, package at removed but not purged, package console-common removed but not purged, package exim4-base removed but not purged, package gpsd removed but not purged, package hal removed but not purged, package kbd removed but not purged, package network-manager removed but not purged, package policykit removed but not purged, package wifi-radar removed but not purged |
| 15:19.28 | thrashold | I'm not going to write a parser for that |
| 15:19.29 | babilen | thrashold: unsurprisingly "aptitude purge <pkg>" - if you want to purge all configuration files of removed but not purged packages do "aptitude purge ~c" |
| 15:19.42 | Skeeter- | i need to make a script that download a files every 10 minutes, how is it possible? |
| 15:19.47 | karlpinc_ | thrashold: aptitude search '~c' |
| 15:19.57 | thrashold | karlpinc_ babilen Thanks |
| 15:19.57 | jelly | Skeeter-: use the magic of CRON |
| 15:20.04 | babilen | thrashold: To get a list of those packages "aptitude search ~c" - check the aptitude "Search Term Reference" for details |
| 15:20.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | babilen, you sure that worked? According to manpage that's for creating new groups |
| 15:20.21 | Skeeter- | jelly, without CRON, thats the problem |
| 15:20.27 | nsadmin | first off... such a parser would be simple, looks like you just need every 4 words... second, you could just copy/paste |
| 15:20.29 | Skeeter- | im not sure how loops and sleep work |
| 15:20.46 | jelly | Skeeter-: why do you need to do it without cron? |
| 15:20.51 | karlpinc_ | Skeeter-: You don't need a script. |
| 15:20.53 | themill | thrashold: coupled with apitude purge '~c', of course. |
| 15:21.02 | Skeeter- | is there also a channel for apache btw? |
| 15:21.04 | nsadmin | Skeeter-, try them and see |
| 15:21.08 | nsadmin | yes |
| 15:21.08 | Skeeter- | karlpinc_, what do i need |
| 15:21.15 | babilen | CutMeOwnThroat: yes, I created a new group "test" with addgroup and added the user to it with "adduser babilen test" ... |
| 15:21.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | babilen, according to factoid "group" one can use adduser - I normally just edit the group file |
| 15:21.22 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:21.25 | karlpinc_ | Skeeter-: What they said. cron |
| 15:21.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | ah |
| 15:21.38 | Skeeter- | the end device doesnt support CRON |
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| 15:22.00 | nsadmin | why does it have to? |
| 15:22.10 | jelly | Skeeter-: does it run debian? |
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| 15:22.39 | Skeeter- | modified one |
| 15:22.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | babilen, ah - you have to do "newgrp test" (in your case) |
| 15:22.54 | Skeeter- | i havnt incorporated cron yet |
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| 15:23.03 | jelly | Skeeter-: if you plan to do this using /bin/sh, or /bin/bash, it might be more appropriate to ask in #bash |
| 15:23.08 | nsadmin | well |
| 15:23.25 | nsadmin | it doesn't sound like it's even debian to me... it's your own os or something? |
| 15:23.43 | Skeeter- | jelly, ok |
| 15:24.11 | babilen | CutMeOwnThroat: Wouldn't that "change the current group ID" and not " reinitialize(d) [the environment] as though the user had logged in" as done with "newgrp -" |
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| 15:24.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | babilen, well, it does - and as a consequence you got that group in your list of groups... |
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| 15:25.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | the environment doesn't change |
| 15:25.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | babilen, it's this: newgrp also tries to add the group to the user groupset. |
| 15:25.38 | themill | CutMeOwnThroat: the gid of newly created files would be different though. That may or may not be what you wanted. |
| 15:25.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | but you gotta name it! |
| 15:25.51 | babilen | CutMeOwnThroat: themill just said it ... |
| 15:26.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, true... but s/he/you/ |
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| 15:26.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | but what he primarily wanted was access to the group |
| 15:26.56 | babilen | CutMeOwnThroat: It's been ages - I just thought of it and checked the manpage and it looked as if it (newgrp - â reinitialise list of groups) should work |
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| 15:27.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | babilen, and just running "newgrp" doesn't change the groupset for me either - you can run "newgrp" without option afterwards |
| 15:27.29 | themill | So "adduser me foo", "newgrp foo" followed by "newgrp -" would do it... |
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| 15:27.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | you don't need the '-' |
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| 15:28.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | but yes, it would |
| 15:28.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | and does... |
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| 15:29.09 | babilen | ok - so "newgrp foo" "newgrp -" "newgrp primary_usergroup" would do the trick? (or is the last one not needed?) |
| 15:29.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | weird - I thought the alsa checklist factoid or a related one suggested newgrp... |
| 15:29.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | babilen, no, "newgrp foo" "newgrp" does the trick |
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| 15:30.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | of course, you can call it a couple more times if you find that fun ;) |
| 15:30.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | but it's only here |
| 15:30.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | !audio2 #del# |
| 15:30.28 | dpkg | i guess audio2 #del# is as root: "chmod 0660 /dev/dsp; chown root.audio /dev/dsp; adduser you audio" ... as user: login again or "exec newgrp; id" ... crw-rw---- 1 root audio 14, 3 Dec 31 1969 /dev/dsp |
| 15:30.34 | babilen | CutMeOwnThroat: Will that create new files with my primary user group (being "babilen" as I use the UPG scheme)? |
| 15:30.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... and that's on the list for deletion |
| 15:30.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | babilen, yes |
| 15:31.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | babilen, if you look at the manpage... newgrp without option switches back to whatever /etc/passwd says |
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| 15:31.14 | babilen | CutMeOwnThroat: Great - don't recall that that was necessary .. |
| 15:31.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | me neither |
| 15:31.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | but then - you don't _have_ to switch back to your primary group to test alsa :) |
| 15:32.02 | babilen | hehe :-p |
| 15:32.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | (or whatever we tell them to do) |
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| 15:34.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | and with "environment" the environment variables are meant, the groupset is not part of that... |
| 15:34.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | I wonder where it's stored, though |
| 15:35.01 | woodworks | I have an old monitor that was autodetected to only run at 800x600 but I used to run on redhat 5 w/ 1024x768 what can i do to manually run this mode? |
| 15:35.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes... create xorg.conf and add HorizSync and VertRefresh appropriate for the monitor |
| 15:36.07 | babilen | yeah - i misunderstood the "as though the user had logged in" as having a broader scope than it actually does. Good we figured it out eventually :) |
| 15:36.51 | emergion | Can someone please help me with request-tracker3.6 on lenny I just installed it and configured it but I still cannot see it when I go to the url I asked for. all I see is my default apache installation page? |
| 15:37.05 | abrotman | woodworks: i'd suspect the driver for your video card, not the monitor |
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| 15:37.39 | emergion | I has installed the database and all just no apache configuration seems to have bee generated? |
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| 15:38.13 | woodworks | CutMeOwnThroat: looking at xorg.conf it shows only "configured monitor" under monitor section and screen section |
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| 15:38.39 | abrotman | woodworks: which version of debian is it? what is your video card? |
| 15:39.25 | woodworks | abrotman: this is lenny and this is an old box w/ only internal vid card |
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| 15:40.15 | abrotman | woodworks: i still asked what it was ... |
| 15:40.17 | woodworks | lenny stable |
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| 15:40.37 | woodworks | ok, how do i find out? |
| 15:40.42 | abrotman | lspci -nn | grep VGA |
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| 15:41.57 | woodworks | abrotman: 01:05.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: nVidia Corporation NV5 [RIVA TNT2/TNT2 Pro] [10de:0028] (rev 15) |
| 15:41.58 | woodworks | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:42.19 | jordanm | ,pciid 10de:0028 |
| 15:42.21 | judd | [10de:0028] is 'NV5 [RIVA TNT2/TNT2 Pro]' from 'nVidia Corporation' with kernel module 'nvidiafb' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10de:0028 http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers and the out-of-tree 'nvidia' module. |
| 15:42.26 | abrotman | woodworks: you might need to change the bit depth .. but AFAIK that card should work just fine with the X in lenny .. |
| 15:42.36 | abrotman | judd: xorg 10de:0028 |
| 15:42.38 | judd | In lenny, device 10de:0028 is matched by xorg drivers: 'nvidia-legacy', 'nv'. |
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| 15:42.42 | themill | "the out-of-tree 'nvidia' module" matches every single card that nvidia makes which isn't a great thing. |
| 15:42.51 | abrotman | hehe |
| 15:43.05 | abrotman | woodworks: look in your X logs .. |
| 15:43.10 | themill | wonders where abrotman's xorg harvesting patches have gone |
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| 15:44.09 | jordanm | yes, would be good if it could tell the difference between 173.x supported and 195.x supported |
| 15:44.15 | woodworks | abrotman: yes, it works fine, but only 800x600 resolution, all of my programs are crammed so I have no space to type |
| 15:44.43 | jordanm | woodworks: pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 15:45.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think I actually answered that question before all this discussion about it :) |
| 15:45.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | but feel free to continue... it'll be even sweeter to say "I said so" |
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| 15:46.06 | abrotman | themill: usbid ? |
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| 15:46.36 | themill | abrotman: them too |
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| 15:47.27 | yonkeltron | i'm using squeeze and upgraded my kde installation today. everything broke horribly but i was able to fix it by installing plasma-desktop. on which package should i report the bug? plasma-desktop needs to be required. |
| 15:48.08 | justin_ | yonkeltron: probably kde or kde-core |
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| 15:48.22 | justin_ | or kdebase |
| 15:48.26 | mo___ | does kill -9 <pid> leaves empty sockets ? |
| 15:48.27 | babilen | there was something about plasma-desktop on debian-user recently |
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| 15:48.41 | justin_ | mo___: what is an empty socket? |
| 15:49.30 | mo___ | i.e leaves the socket/port open? |
| 15:49.30 | morlof | hey, anyone got a clue about pacemaker. i got a filesystem resource not coming up. trying to use the ocf:heartbeat give me ocf_reskey_device to the device to be managed |
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| 15:49.31 | justin_ | mo___: no |
| 15:49.31 | mo___ | justin_: someone said so, i didnt know that (if its true) |
| 15:49.31 | mo___ | thats what I though |
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| 15:56.24 | valdyn | mo___: it can do that |
| 15:56.38 | valdyn | mo___: it doesnt do that necessarily |
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| 15:57.33 | yonkeltron | justin_: i filed the bug on kdebase. |
| 15:57.40 | yonkeltron | justin_: thanks for the guidance. |
| 15:57.48 | woodworks | abrotman: sorry, very new to debian, emacs, http://pastebin.com/7ZVCZRcc |
| 15:57.55 | yonkeltron | justin_: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=582004 |
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| 15:58.05 | valdyn | mo___: if -9 really was needed then you already hit a kernel bug and anything may happen |
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| 15:58.45 | yonkeltron | woodworks: if you'd like emacs help, then please join #emacs as we're a happy-go-luck bunch |
| 15:59.19 | yonkeltron | peace out |
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| 15:59.42 | woodworks | yonkeltron: thanks, i'm there already, not used to erc commands |
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| 16:02.18 | woodworks | CutMeOwnThroat: i did look at xorg.conf but don't know where or what to put there for 1024 x 768 |
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| 16:07.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | Section "Monitor", options HorizSync and VertRefresh |
| 16:07.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | the values are in the documentation to the monitor... if you don't have that, one can mostly google them |
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| 16:09.00 | woodworks | so under section Monitor i create a line entry HorizSync = <googled value> and another line VertRefresh = <googled value> ? |
| 16:10.09 | woodworks | all it has for "Monitor" is Identifier "Configured Monitor" |
| 16:10.11 | babilen | woodworks: http://wiki.debian.org/VideoTiming |
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| 16:10.57 | woodworks | babilen: will check out thank you |
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| 16:11.42 | babilen | woodworks: Well - it is not really that good ... I was just looking for something related on the wiki. You basically just specify the two Options in the "Monitor" section ... |
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| 16:13.07 | mbruins | hi im running Gnome version: 1:2.28+7. What is the most clean way to disable the menu option: Places > Recent documents? |
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| 16:14.47 | levid | i have a problem with KRFB, i am running newest xorg, compiz, twinview and i Can connect to my remote computer, however the screen on my localhost is not refreshing, when im at home i can see the mouse moving around and i can open stuff up when i login with my laptop and watch my screen. but for some reason i am not getting a refresh, has anyone encountered this? |
| 16:15.28 | babilen | mbruins: IRC it's "gtk-recent-files-max-age=0" in ~/.gtkrc-2.0 - You might want to ask in #gnome for verification |
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| 16:16.19 | levid | i have checked google and debian.org but to no avail it seems as though this problem hasn't been widespread enough |
| 16:16.24 | mbruins | babilen: im trying to but no awnsers so far ;x |
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| 16:17.47 | cusco | hi |
| 16:17.48 | babilen | mbruins: Well you have one now - Another approach would be to chmod ug-w ~/.recently-used and ~/.recently-used.xbel (not sure if that is enough though) |
| 16:18.01 | cusco | I am trying to know i a server has any free pci-express slots |
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| 16:20.04 | levid | nvm i found a solution, kinda slow but im sitting on a gig e circuit -noxdamage on vncviewer does the trick |
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| 16:23.59 | emergion | I have a package here telling me that is is partially installed or broken? How can I fix this? All I did was remove a package removed its /etc/config directory because it was uninstalled tried to re-install the package and now it dies |
| 16:25.01 | babilen | emergion: Can you paste the complete output to http://paste.debian.net please - You probably want to follow "/msg dpkg confmiss" but let us have a look first |
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| 16:27.52 | macrobat | i'd like to turn off Emulate3Buttons. I have 'Option "Emulate3Buttons" "False"' in the "InputDevice" section of xorg.conf. I use xserver-xorg 1:7.5+6 |
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| 16:29.02 | emergion | babilen, http://paste.debian.net/73623/ |
| 16:30.13 | babilen | emergion: yep - confmiss |
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| 16:30.44 | jordanm | ,versions request-tracker3.6 |
| 16:30.46 | judd | request-tracker3.6 -- etch: 3.6.1-4; etch-security: 3.6.1-4+etch1; lenny: 3.6.7-5+lenny3; lenny-security: 3.6.7-5+lenny3 |
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| 16:32.09 | babilen | macrobat: and? |
| 16:32.19 | themill | istr confmiss and ucf not playing that nicely together. Actually purging and reinstalling the package may be necessary |
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| 16:32.49 | macrobat | babilen: i dont want to emulate 3 buttons any more |
| 16:33.15 | babilen | macrobat: Is it not working? |
| 16:33.25 | macrobat | no, xorg doesn't care |
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| 16:33.56 | macrobat | i have tried different mice |
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| 16:34.11 | cusco | can lspci tell me how many PCI and PCI-E slots do I have free? |
| 16:34.13 | babilen | macrobat: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=538896 |
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| 16:34.30 | emergion | babilen, ok thanks I ran the command though no result? |
| 16:34.37 | macrobat | ty |
| 16:34.43 | babilen | macrobat: You could try xinput/gpointing-device-settings or udev rules to set it. Not sure about that bug |
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| 16:36.14 | cusco | can lspci tell me how many PCI or PCI-E free slots I still have? |
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| 16:37.06 | Rahim | i tried to upgrade from lenny to squeeze by editing sources.list and then it installed some initial apt aptitude versions; but i changed my mind in the process; and edited my sources.list back to lenny. Now when i am trying to install Synaptic, apt, aptitude,dpkg it shows some unmet dependencies error |
| 16:37.08 | babilen | emergion: purge the package and (re)install it as themill suggested |
| 16:37.54 | Rahim | unmet dependecndies error :aptitude: Depends: libapt-pkg-libc6.7-6-4.6 |
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| 16:38.17 | Rahim | so how would i revert back to lenny apckages? |
| 16:38.26 | jerojasro | hi all. I made an upgrade in my debian stable server yesterday, and now the postfix server there doesn't receive any mail. in fact smtpd crashes at every moment. |
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| 16:38.55 | jerojasro | the upgrade included a lot of ssl upgrades |
| 16:38.57 | themill | Rahim: /msg dpkg partial downgrade ; and good luck |
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| 16:39.50 | jordanm | jerojasro: you upgraded from what? etch? |
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| 16:40.18 | jerojasro | no |
| 16:40.24 | yakamo | anyone recommend a gui for programming in c |
| 16:40.29 | jerojasro | jordanm: the server has always been lenny |
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| 16:41.20 | jordanm | jerojasro: then the upgrade should not have brought in any actual changes aside from security fixes. lets see the output of: apt-cache policy postfix libc6 dpkg |
| 16:41.29 | babilen | yakamo: gvim? xemacs? eclipse? ... ... ... |
| 16:41.40 | DipSwitch | yakamo: you can try geany, kate, eclipse or anjuta |
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| 16:41.58 | ondrejk | yakamo: gvim |
| 16:42.15 | jordanm | are we just going to leave out GNU emacs? (which has vi mode) |
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| 16:42.19 | emergion | lol @ this |
| 16:42.19 | babilen | Rahim: It might be a better idea to complete the upgrade to squeeze now or just reinstall. But try the partial upgrade is you want .. it *might* work |
| 16:42.29 | yakamo | wow awesome responces, thank you very much |
| 16:42.31 | DipSwitch | vi :( |
| 16:42.45 | Rahim | babilen, i think i must upgrade now :) |
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| 16:42.47 | babilen | DipSwitch: Not a GUI |
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| 16:43.05 | Rahim | so should change the source.list to squeeze and then issue aptitude full-upgrade, right? |
| 16:43.06 | jordanm | emacs has a GTK interface.... |
| 16:43.11 | jordanm | !start an editor war |
| 16:43.11 | dpkg | "cat >" doesn't deserve to be in any Linux distribution! |
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| 16:43.28 | DipSwitch | babilen: no but somebody says GNU emacs (which has vi mode) |
| 16:43.44 | DipSwitch | != like vi |
| 16:43.52 | ondrejk | DipSwitch: why :) ? |
| 16:44.00 | babilen | DipSwitch: Sure - I actually meant GNU/Emacs when i mentioned XEmacs (always make that mistake) ... |
| 16:44.07 | DipSwitch | emacs ftw! \o/ |
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| 16:45.21 | babilen | yakamo: I would really suggest learning either vim or emacs. But you might be happier with a full-blown IDE like eclipse, anjuta, kdevelop, ... |
| 16:46.27 | emergion | babilen, http://paste.debian.net/73626/ please see the command I ran? Should that not fix it ? |
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| 16:47.20 | grisha | cobalt_ |
| 16:47.22 | grisha | hahaha |
| 16:47.24 | grisha | connect /server irc.pirate-sky.com |
| 16:47.25 | babilen | emergion: as themill has pointed out "ucf and confmiss do not always ..." â purge the package and (re)install it |
| 16:47.25 | grisha | :) |
| 16:47.30 | cobalt_ | hahaha |
| 16:47.32 | jordanm | jerojasro: if you are having issues with pastebin, you can use the CLI tool `pastebinit`, but should not its default service does not function |
| 16:47.33 | cobalt_ | inviter |
| 16:47.34 | jerojasro | jordanm: hum. I restarted the server, and it began working again |
| 16:47.34 | grisha | ebahti |
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| 16:47.36 | grisha | kanala chovek |
| 16:47.40 | grisha | 1000 user |
| 16:47.43 | cobalt_ | vij ubuntu za kvo staa duma :) |
| 16:47.44 | grisha | mada faka |
| 16:47.49 | jerojasro | jordanm: no, I was a bit away... |
| 16:47.51 | babilen | grisha: Stop it please |
| 16:47.58 | grisha | fuck off nega |
| 16:48.01 | grisha | :) |
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| 16:48.17 | Eltanin | kkkk, i love it. |
| 16:48.19 | emergion | dude I been using debian for an hour sorry I am just not up with terms like themill ucf and confmiss |
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| 16:48.41 | emergion | lol |
| 16:49.16 | jerojasro | jordanm: anyway, here is the output of the command you suggested http://pastebin.com/Cu8fRWwS |
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| 16:49.33 | themill | emergion: Just for the record, I'm not a standard debian term... |
| 16:49.34 | babilen | emergion: Ok - sorry. themill is a user here, ucf if a tool to manage configuration files and confmiss refers to the thing dpkg told you about. Just do "aptitude purge request-tracker3.6" followed by "aptitude install request-tracker3.6" |
| 16:49.43 | johnfg | hi guys |
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| 16:50.16 | emergion | hehe sorry guys. just dizzy from no sleep and just want to get back where I was earlier with this |
| 16:50.19 | emergion | thanks |
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| 16:50.48 | jordanm | jerojasro: look at libc6... it looks like you upgraded core packages to testing or unstable then removed the lines from your sources |
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| 16:51.38 | Dominicus | Can anyone verify if virt-manager exists in debian lenny for me? I was using it over the last few days, but now after an aptitude update, I no longer see it. |
| 16:51.48 | johnfg | sshd_config says at the top: Package generated configuration file. |
| 16:52.04 | babilen | ,versions virt-manager |
| 16:52.06 | judd | virt-manager -- etch-backports: 0.5.4-1~bpo40+2; lenny: 0.6.0-6; lenny-backports: 0.8.3-2~bpo50+1; sid: 0.8.4-2; squeeze: 0.8.4-2 |
| 16:52.08 | johnfg | Is there any reason why I can't change an option by hand (or shouldn't?). |
| 16:52.09 | babilen | Dominicus: ^^^^^ |
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| 16:52.41 | jordanm | jerojasro: my suspecion was that this was going to be the case for postfix, but it is not. You really should look at how much of your production server is testing/unstable... libc6 is a bad thing to upgrade outside of a migration to a new release |
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| 16:54.20 | Dominicus | judd and babilen, is that via performing a "aptitude search virt-manager"? Because, I'm showing it exists on packages.debian.org as well, but it's no longer in the index of packages for me for some reason. i'm on amd64. |
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| 16:55.21 | themill | ,versions virt-manager --arch amd64 |
| 16:55.23 | judd | virt-manager -- etch-backports: 0.5.4-1~bpo40+2; lenny: 0.6.0-6; lenny-backports: 0.8.3-2~bpo50+1; sid: 0.8.4-2; squeeze: 0.8.4-2 |
| 16:55.27 | babilen | Dominicus: I actually used "rmadison virt-manager" (from devscripts) - What is the output of "apt-cache policy" and "apt-cache policy virt-manager" for you? (â http://paste.debian.net) |
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| 16:55.31 | ivan-kanis | how do I install lenny and RAID1 |
| 16:55.44 | jerojasro | jordanm: yep, I just checked my sources and squeeze was there |
| 16:55.46 | jerojasro | damn |
| 16:55.51 | ivan-kanis | the partman doesn't display a RAID option... |
| 16:55.59 | babilen | Dominicus: And btw |
| 16:56.07 | babilen | Dominicus: judd is a bot :) |
| 16:56.17 | emergion | babilen, Now when I try to install the package again the configure script is not giving me even half options it used to? |
| 16:56.39 | emergion | It used to ask me about mysql databses web urls ? now just errors |
| 16:57.09 | Dominicus | babilen: I see that now. lol. I don't hagn around in here enough to notice it. And the names of the bots in all the channels are hard to keep track of. |
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| 16:57.27 | jerojasro | jordanm: any hint on how to undo that mess? |
| 16:57.40 | babilen | emergion: Use "dpkg-reconfigure <pkg>" and adjust the priority to fit your needs "-pPRIO" e.g. "-plow" |
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| 16:58.14 | babilen | emergion: Errors? Could you paste them? Note however that I have no experience with request-tracker3.6 |
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| 16:59.08 | emergion | babilen, it is looking more like it used to for now |
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| 16:59.25 | babilen | emergion: what? |
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| 16:59.37 | emergion | babilen, this package is asking me If the RT web interface is going to be installed somewhere other than at the root of your server, you should specify the path to it here. |
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| 16:59.57 | emergion | Does that mean if I leave that blank i should just be able to get to the app by going to http://www.domain.com/ |
| 17:00.10 | emergion | not www.domain.com/app |
| 17:00.30 | emergion | I know well how to configure apache but I am trying to stick to debian standards here so upgrades etc work |
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| 17:00.59 | babilen | emergion: No idea - you might want to read the documentation in /usr/share/doc/request-tracker3.6/ |
| 17:01.18 | emergion | ok thanks |
| 17:01.21 | justin_ | emergion: yes, that is what it means. |
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| 17:01.30 | emergion | justin_, cool thanks |
| 17:01.39 | emergion | really don't want to have to reconfigure again tonight lol |
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| 17:01.50 | justin_ | not usually a good idea to do that unless it is running under a subdomain like rt.company.com |
| 17:02.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | woodworkie, yes - only they're ranges - HorizSync 30.0 - 110.0 and VertRefresh 50.0 - 150.0 for my lcd monitor |
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| 17:04.28 | jordanm | !tell jerojasro about partial downgrade |
| 17:04.47 | Dominicus | babilen: Somehow I managed to comment out my sources.list lines to the main debian repositories. lol. Oh well, just more practice breaking and fixing things. Thanks guys. |
| 17:05.10 | babilen | Dominicus: hehe |
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| 17:05.37 | jordanm | jerojasro: that pm from dpkg along with aptitude search ~i~Atesting should help |
| 17:05.55 | topi` | I wonder if it would be possible to test out a debian installation inside a virtual machine. qemu? |
| 17:06.05 | topi` | I have a debian install on a SD card |
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| 17:06.27 | babilen | topi`: Possible - there are other virtualisation schemes though - /msg dpkg virtualisation |
| 17:06.39 | topi` | hmm |
| 17:07.20 | babilen | (not saying that qemu or kvm would be a bad choice) |
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| 17:09.19 | topi` | I need to learn how to tell qemu to use /dev/sdax as the root instead of a file |
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| 17:10.00 | Dominicus | Has anyone here been able to get virt-manager installed from the lenny repository, and successfully get "http://mirror.nexcess.net/CentOS/5.5/isos/x86_64/CentOS-5.5-x86_64-netinstall.iso" to boot into graphical or even text install mode without a kernel panic? |
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| 17:10.37 | Dominicus | ... using KVM + Virt-Manager in a fully virtualized machine that is? |
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| 17:12.32 | emergion | babilen, When I first installed this package it generated some files for apache2 and mod perl so I could just include them in my config and have the app up running. It is now not doing that but seems to be configuring fine any idea why? |
| 17:12.47 | emergion | Maybe something else got uninstalled in the perge? |
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| 17:13.48 | babilen | emergion: Are the files still in place? and what is the problem if it is "configuring fine" ? |
| 17:14.05 | emergion | It is not generating the same files it used to |
| 17:14.14 | babilen | But different ones? |
| 17:14.18 | emergion | Though I believe I have the same two packages installed |
| 17:14.26 | emergion | It is not generating the webserver configurations |
| 17:15.21 | emergion | /etc/request-tracker3.6/apache2-modperl2.conf I used to get that aswell |
| 17:15.33 | babilen | Have you tried dpkg-reconfigure? Are you sure that these files were generated by request-tracker3.6 and not by, for example, rt3.8-apache2 ? |
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| 17:15.59 | emergion | I installed rt3.6-apache2 and request-tracker3.6 |
| 17:16.10 | emergion | in that order and I have run reconfigure 100 times |
| 17:16.12 | babilen | ,file /etc/request-tracker3.6/apache2-modperl2.conf |
| 17:16.14 | judd | /etc/request-tracker3.6/apache2-modperl2.conf in lenny/i386: rt3.6-apache2: etc/request-tracker3.6/apache2-modperl2.conf |
| 17:16.26 | merovinq_ | Hey guys, I am running into a "Error 13: Invalid or Unsupported Executable Format" when I restarted my debian server... It is not dual boot which is the case with most the threads I've been reading. Anyone have anything I can try? I just started a debian live cd with gnome |
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| 17:16.49 | babilen | emergion: Did you purged/reinstalled both? Could you try the "confmiss" approach with rt3.6-apache2? |
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| 17:17.04 | emergion | babilen, |
| 17:17.21 | emergion | babilen, you could be onto something there I might not have purged the first package |
| 17:17.59 | johnfg | Is there a reason to use dpkg to reconfigure sshd_config rather than doing it by hand? |
| 17:18.05 | babilen | emergion: and it's configuration files are therefore left in the state the administrator left them (i.e. deleted) |
| 17:18.27 | emergion | I see :) |
| 17:18.28 | babilen | johnfg: convenience? dpkg might get it right? ... |
| 17:18.39 | babilen | s/it's/its :-\ |
| 17:18.51 | emergion | thank you guys |
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| 17:20.21 | babilen | emergion: working now? |
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| 17:20.55 | emergion | babilen, actuall the files are still no there ? |
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| 17:22.54 | babilen | emergion: Is rt3.6-apache2 installed? What is the output of dpkg -l rt3.6-apache2? |
| 17:23.06 | emergion | ok they are there now |
| 17:23.18 | babilen | What have you done in the meantime? |
| 17:23.22 | emergion | now i will install the actual package |
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| 17:26.10 | nifty | Is it possible to create patch(es) from two identical, but slightly modified source code directories (and subdirectories)? I.E. amend a code recursively and create patch compared with the original code. Is possible and how? |
| 17:26.55 | jelly | nifty: just like making any other patch, use diff |
| 17:27.25 | jelly | nifty: you will be interested in -r among other other options |
| 17:27.39 | nifty | jelly: I'm using diff to create compare singular files only, how do I compare entire directories? |
| 17:28.11 | nsadmin | that |
| 17:28.15 | nsadmin | is in man diff |
| 17:28.15 | jelly | nifty: sorry, I don't answer trivial rtfms! |
| 17:28.34 | jelly | is stubborn like that |
| 17:28.39 | emergion | babilen, working now but it seems the css is hosed |
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| 17:28.53 | emergion | I should be able to sort that out though ;) |
| 17:29.00 | nsadmin | look at existing diffs, you might find something usefuil |
| 17:29.15 | factor | What does this mean |
| 17:29.18 | factor | squareroot:/etc/init.d# ./alsa-utils start |
| 17:29.18 | factor | Setting up ALSA...done (none loaded). |
| 17:29.33 | factor | I cant get alsa to work |
| 17:29.44 | abrotman | what did you do to break it? |
| 17:29.55 | factor | install pulseaudio |
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| 17:30.05 | factor | then remove it |
| 17:30.16 | factor | I tried compiling the alsa dirvers and installed but still does not work correctly |
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| 17:30.57 | factor | open("/dev/snd/controlC0", O_RDONLY|O_CLOEXEC) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) |
| 17:30.57 | factor | open("/dev/aloadC0", O_RDONLY|O_CLOEXEC) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) |
| 17:31.03 | factor | when I type alsamixer |
| 17:31.12 | abrotman | why would you compile them? |
| 17:31.24 | factor | becasue they dont work |
| 17:31.57 | abrotman | factor: what is your sound device (use lspci -nn) |
| 17:32.18 | factor | 00:14.2 Audio device [0403]: ATI Technologies Inc SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA) [1002:4383] |
| 17:32.38 | factor | the one I also compiled hda driver |
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| 17:33.13 | factor | installed and same error |
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| 17:35.01 | factor | 0:00 /usr/bin/artsd -F 10 -S 4096 -s 60 -m artsmessage -l 3 -f |
| 17:35.13 | factor | that is my sound server and does seem to work but firefox cant use it |
| 17:35.30 | factor | kaffine can though |
| 17:35.49 | nifty | thanks for the tip jelly and nsadmin, I got it |
| 17:36.33 | jelly | why does factor not merely use a newer kernel? |
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| 17:36.48 | jelly | or, not use pulseaudio |
| 17:36.49 | factor | I am on 2.6.32 |
| 17:36.59 | factor | I dont |
| 17:37.09 | jelly | or not use arts! :-) |
| 17:37.15 | factor | debian does not have 2.6.33 yet |
| 17:37.16 | help_me | I have a VPS and installed Debian 5, Installed Apache Web server. I'm downloading files under /root/Download directory. I'm copying these files under /var/www/ for viewing and downloading files from web browser |
| 17:37.26 | jelly | factor: 2.6.34 either |
| 17:37.42 | help_me | is there any way to view these file without copying? |
| 17:37.49 | factor | I can compile the whole thing |
| 17:37.54 | factor | but wanted to work on other things |
| 17:38.04 | factor | getting sound to work is not what I call fun |
| 17:38.10 | factor | and a waste of time |
| 17:39.00 | jelly | part of the complete Linux experience |
| 17:39.02 | nsadmin | factor: so some sound works? |
| 17:39.06 | factor | yes |
| 17:39.14 | nsadmin | then the driver is working |
| 17:39.21 | factor | I can watch nasa tv via kaffine |
| 17:39.24 | abrotman | factor: did you compile your own kernel from scratch ? |
| 17:39.29 | factor | but cant view youtubes in firefox |
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| 17:39.34 | factor | not yet |
| 17:39.49 | abrotman | factor: where did you get the .32 kernel? |
| 17:39.50 | factor | just the sound drivers after they broke |
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| 17:39.55 | factor | but same error is happening |
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| 17:39.57 | factor | no change |
| 17:40.07 | factor | apt-get |
| 17:40.57 | factor | linux-image-2.6.32-trunk-686 <-this kernel |
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| 17:41.10 | factor | but all the kernels have the same problem |
| 17:41.12 | nsadmin | the kernel is not at fault, the sound driver is working |
| 17:41.33 | nsadmin | if you're getting any sound at all, it's evidence your system is working |
| 17:42.03 | factor | it also says open sound server: opendir no such directoy |
| 17:42.07 | factor | on boot up |
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| 17:42.38 | nsadmin | you should figure out if that has anything to do with the kernel |
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| 17:43.26 | nsadmin | I could be wrong, but the word "server" suggests to me has nothing to do with the kerne; |
| 17:43.46 | factor | well you can compile the sound drivers into the kernel |
| 17:43.58 | factor | and the modules are not created the proper devices |
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| 17:45.56 | abrotman | factor: where the hell did you get that kernel ? |
| 17:46.08 | factor | linux-image-2.6.32-trunk-686 <-this kernel debian apt-get |
| 17:46.17 | factor | its not the kernbel though |
| 17:46.31 | factor | its the sound drivers, but pulse audio borked up the sound |
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| 17:46.47 | rgr | Im trying to set up a launcher for eclipse on my gnome toolbar but when I open the dir where the svg files are I cant see them in the icon selector opened from the new app dialog. How can I set an icon? |
| 17:46.57 | factor | removed the pulse audio stuff , but now the alsa devices are not being created |
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| 17:47.18 | factor | wondering what package I need to reinstall |
| 17:47.22 | dirkson | Hey all. How do I restart alsa? |
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| 17:47.35 | factor | I have reinstall a bunch down to the kernel and support files |
| 17:47.53 | SerajewelKS | ok that's weird, i got a message delivered to my postfix server... it put the message in my maildir. then it sent a bounce back. |
| 17:47.58 | factor | dirkson, its in /etc/init.d/alsasound and alsa-utils. |
| 17:48.00 | SerajewelKS | scratches head |
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| 17:48.39 | SerajewelKS | postfix doesn't act on receipt requests or something, does it? |
| 17:48.48 | dirkson | factor: alsasound doesn't exist, and restarting alsa-utils has no effect on my soundcard. |
| 17:49.03 | factor | same here |
| 17:49.06 | factor | :) |
| 17:49.13 | factor | I am in the mist of the same problem |
| 17:49.20 | factor | but that is how it works when it does |
| 17:49.20 | SerajewelKS | and i don't suppose it logs the bounces anywhere so i can see what it sent back |
| 17:49.43 | dirkson | factor: Are you talking to me or someone else? |
| 17:49.48 | factor | yuou |
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| 17:50.56 | dirkson | factor: ... I guess I need to reboot the whole damn computer then. Damn I hate doing that. |
| 17:51.11 | factor | well that did not work for me |
| 17:51.34 | dirkson | factor: Rebooting the whole machine works fine for me. It's just alsa that I can't get to restart separately |
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| 17:52.16 | nsadmin | factor/dirkson: there is a script that will help whoever is helping you, you'll find it at... |
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| 17:52.53 | factor | how can I remove and reinstall the whole ALSA system? |
| 17:53.01 | factor | I just want a quick fix. |
| 17:53.01 | dondelelcaro | factor: for what purpose? |
| 17:53.07 | factor | to fix the problem |
| 17:53.10 | nsadmin | http://www.alsa-project.org/ |
| 17:53.19 | factor | debian packages to reinstall |
| 17:53.20 | nsadmin | look at new ALSA users |
| 17:53.32 | abrotman | factor: that -trunk- kernel is very much out of date .. where did you get it |
| 17:53.32 | abrotman | ? |
| 17:53.41 | factor | anl |
| 17:53.43 | nsadmin | go to "Help to debug" |
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| 17:53.58 | dirkson | nsadmin: Again, my soundcard works fine. I just need to reboot alsa, and it won't. |
| 17:54.02 | abrotman | factor: are you running lenny or squeeze ? |
| 17:54.10 | factor | squeeze |
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| 17:54.19 | nsadmin | get the script at the top, alsa-info.sh |
| 17:54.20 | factor | deb http://mirror.anl.gov/debian/ testing main non-free |
| 17:54.23 | nsadmin | run it |
| 17:55.22 | factor | dont see alsa-info |
| 17:55.23 | nsadmin | say yes to upload to alsa site, then provide the url it returns here and/or on #alsa |
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| 17:55.47 | nsadmin | are you on the Help To Debug page? |
| 17:55.59 | factor | oh ok I see it now |
| 17:56.04 | abrotman | factor: aptitude install linux-image-686 |
| 17:56.18 | abrotman | factor: then make sure you boot the -3- kernel it will install, then remove the -trunk- kernel |
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| 17:56.32 | nsadmin | perhaps the info it collects will be of help to someone helping you |
| 17:57.10 | abrotman | factor: at least make sure you're using the correct kernel in testing .. no telling how many bugs have been fixed |
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| 17:59.10 | factor | loading the image |
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| 18:00.34 | factor | ok install the image and headers |
| 18:00.42 | factor | what version should that be/ |
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| 18:01.28 | factor | I will reboot and keep the 32 for now |
| 18:01.35 | factor | see what diff kernel I have |
| 18:02.13 | factor | brb |
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| 18:04.18 | Susanne | Hey People! Is there SELINUX in debian 5.0? |
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| 18:05.42 | BlackFate | Susanne: not by default |
| 18:06.12 | Susanne | BlackFate: is it planned to turn it on by default in comming versions? |
| 18:06.23 | BlackFate | Susanne: no |
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| 18:07.16 | Susanne | very good |
| 18:07.24 | Susanne | SELINUX sounds like madness to me |
| 18:07.35 | Susanne | and its turned on by default in ubuntu |
| 18:07.51 | BlackFate | Susanne: not its not |
| 18:08.03 | Susanne | BlackFate: what is not? |
| 18:08.14 | craigevil | no its just there like it is in most distros |
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| 18:08.31 | SpeedyG | Hi, got a question.. does it make any sense to continue running Etch while lenny is stable now? and if so, what risks would I run? (or are there any good internet resources describing the answer to this question?) |
| 18:08.34 | jordanm | Susanne: IIRC, ubuntu implements apparmor instead of SELinux |
| 18:08.41 | BlackFate | Susanne: ub uses apparmoc |
| 18:08.42 | BlackFate | Susanne: ub uses apparmor |
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| 18:09.04 | jordanm | Susanne: default debian is SELinux capabale, but not enabled by default. Fedora and the RH family however, enables SELinux by default |
| 18:09.08 | dkr | SpeedyG: no. lack of security updates for etch since the end of life was a fe wmonths ago after lenny was stable for a year |
| 18:09.17 | craigevil | SpeedyG: etch hasn't been supported since feb of this yr, makes good sense to update to the current stable |
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| 18:09.39 | Susanne | jordanm, BlackFate: german wikipedia says SELINUX is enabled by default since ubuntu 9.04 |
| 18:10.08 | Susanne | jordanm,BlackFate: and i have selinux lines in the syslog on an ubuntu 10 machine. |
| 18:10.08 | SpeedyG | dkr: craigevil thanks.. was just testing the sanity of my reasoning.. seems that my reasoning was completely sane (which seems to be quite rare nowdays ;) ) |
| 18:10.09 | BlackFate | Susanne: no its totally wrong.. im sure it doesnt |
| 18:10.12 | jordanm | Susanne: might mean enabled in the kernel, like with debian. you would have to ask #ubuntu |
| 18:10.16 | dkr | SpeedyG: the upgrade instructions explain risks of update and show how to do it to minimize them, like upgrading kernel first before the rest in case power goes out or the like |
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| 18:10.28 | factor | no one know how to reinstall ALSA |
| 18:10.41 | factor | would think it would just be a package remove and install |
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| 18:11.29 | craigevil | !alsa-checklist |
| 18:11.29 | dpkg | 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 2) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels & toggle jack sense) 3) arts or esound stopped? 4) OSS modules unloaded? 5) speakers on? 6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 7) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. See also <list alsa users>. |
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| 18:11.52 | factor | this is happening in boot up |
| 18:12.02 | factor | on boot I get ALSA (non loaded) |
| 18:12.08 | factor | has nothig to do with user |
| 18:12.10 | Susanne | BlackFate: i see this in a log of an ubuntu 10 machine: May 17 19:48:21 user-laptop kernel: [27336.209686] type=1503 audit(1274118501.027:18): operation="open" pid=3118 parent=3093 profile="/usr/sbin/mysqld" requested_mask="r::" denied_mask="r::" fsuid=0 ouid=0 name="/mnt/data/mysql/my.cnf" |
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| 18:12.20 | Susanne | BlackFate: isnt that selinux develish work? |
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| 18:12.29 | gauge | Say, is there a quick/easy (read: right) way to revove OpenOffice and all it's associated bloat? |
| 18:12.30 | factor | I can also be as root |
| 18:12.31 | BlackFate | Susanne: that's apparmor |
| 18:12.47 | Susanne | gauge: "apt-get purge openoffice" ? |
| 18:12.55 | jordanm | !why aptitude |
| 18:12.55 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often find a solution where apt-get gives up. It can be used from the command line like apt-get plus an interactive resolver makes it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). |
| 18:12.59 | factor | also I cant unmute the channels because the mixer doe snot exist. |
| 18:13.00 | craigevil | gauge: aptitude purge openoffice* |
| 18:13.00 | Susanne | BlackFate: ok, let me google that... |
| 18:13.02 | gauge | Susanne: thanks. |
| 18:13.06 | jordanm | gauge: what Susanne said, but use aptitude |
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| 18:13.26 | Susanne | jordanm: are there any benefits of aptitude over apt-get? |
| 18:13.30 | _2 | ok. i have ...debian.org/ etch main contrib non-free <<< are there any multimedia/other sources that i should consider? |
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| 18:13.50 | BlackFate | Susanne: apparmor is easier to maintain and to change rules. |
| 18:13.55 | jordanm | craigevil: that would work for yum, but not apt |
| 18:13.58 | gauge | jordanm: yeah, why aptidude over apt-get? |
| 18:13.59 | craigevil | _2: why are you using etch? |
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| 18:14.11 | _2 | why not craigevil ? |
| 18:14.12 | jordanm | !tell gauge about why aptitude |
| 18:14.21 | jordanm | _2: its no longer supported |
| 18:14.27 | craigevil | jordanm: works for apt-get may not work for aptitude, havent touched aptitude in forever |
| 18:14.30 | Susanne | BlackFate: is apparmor enabled in debian too? |
| 18:14.33 | factor | I will try the compile script on the alsa page else wise I will have to renstall |
| 18:14.37 | BlackFate | Susanne: no |
| 18:14.50 | gauge | Too cool |
| 18:15.07 | Susanne | BlackFate: because its seems highly stupid to me to prevent a user from accessing his own files. why is apparmor doing that? |
| 18:15.31 | _2 | jordanm by "supported" do you mean that "you will not answer questions asked by an etch user" or that there are no new bug fixes and security patches for it ? |
| 18:15.38 | BlackFate | Susanne: well its not stupid.. maybe the rule was wrong.. but its a great security layer to avoid unwanted executions |
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| 18:15.58 | BlackFate | Susanne: you can stop apparmor i think from init.d |
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| 18:16.13 | Susanne | BlackFate: i cannot think of "unwanted executions". what would that be? |
| 18:16.19 | craigevil | _2: security support for etch ended in Feb of this yr |
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| 18:16.31 | jordanm | Susanne: the concept is this. application A runs with the privs of user B. If application A is compromised, then the hacker has the privs on user B. The point here is to reduce the privs needed by application A so that upon exploiting it, it has the most limited set of perms possible |
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| 18:16.42 | jordanm | Susanne: its known as mandatory access control |
| 18:16.57 | _2 | craigevil ok. so just imagine that lenny was the codename in my origenal question :) |
| 18:17.19 | craigevil | !tell _2 about dmm |
| 18:17.41 | BlackFate | Susanne: its server orient operations.. you can just disable it and no hard feelings |
| 18:17.49 | Susanne | jordanm: i dont get that. whats the difference? a hacker gets the privs that the app had that he hacked. |
| 18:17.51 | BlackFate | Susanne: oriented* |
| 18:18.10 | _2 | craigevil ty. |
| 18:18.12 | Susanne | BlackFate: yes, thanks. will read into it and kill that damn thing. |
| 18:18.54 | craigevil | jordanm: apt-get purge openoffice.org-* works, but with aptitude it just says Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "openoffice.org-*" |
| 18:18.59 | jordanm | Susanne: right, which will be _limited_ to that. |
| 18:19.27 | Susanne | jordanm: ah, ok. you mean he does not get the privs of the user that started the app. |
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| 18:19.41 | jordanm | Susanne: the point is to reduce the ammount of privs that the app has, so that the hacker will have less privs upon exploitation |
| 18:19.55 | jordanm | Susanne: yes, exactly |
| 18:19.56 | ne7work | hello all what dvd I need for install from here http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.4/i386/bt-dvd/ ? |
| 18:19.57 | Susanne | jordanm: but who cares? if i want mysql to have only certain rights, i start it as user "mysql". |
| 18:20.08 | Susanne | jordanm: i dont see why i need apparmor for that. |
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| 18:20.27 | craigevil | _2: take a look at http://sites.google.com/site/mydebiansourceslist/Home |
| 18:21.13 | jordanm | Susanne: you should look at the diferences between discrestionary and mandatory access control. What you just described is discrestionary access control. grsecurty, selinux, and apparmor implement mandatory access control _on top of_ standard discrestionary access control |
| 18:21.28 | craigevil | ne7work: dvd 1 , or you can just use the netinstall if you have a good bandwidth |
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| 18:21.54 | ne7work | I need to know how to configure pppoe connection to use netinstall ? |
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| 18:22.07 | Susanne | jordanm: what can it give me, that normal file permissions, users and groups cant? im very sceptical it can add something useful. |
| 18:22.08 | jordanm | !tell ne7work about ig |
| 18:22.21 | ne7work | !tell |
| 18:22.27 | ne7work | !tell about ig |
| 18:22.29 | ne7work | !tell ig |
| 18:22.32 | ne7work | what?????/ |
| 18:22.38 | jordanm | ne7work: check your PM from dpkg |
| 18:22.43 | amphi | !tell ne7work about selftell |
| 18:23.22 | jordanm | Susanne: say for example your email client is exploited. Do you want that application which was started with your privs, to be able to access your ssh keys and run sudo as your user? |
| 18:23.44 | ne7work | can I use only first dvd to full install? |
| 18:24.06 | Susanne | jordanm: if i want to prevent this, i can start my email client as a different user, right? |
| 18:24.09 | jordanm | Susanne: using contexts and MAC, those rights don't need to be, because your email client does not need to run sudo or access your ssh public keys |
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| 18:25.10 | jordanm | Susanne: yes, but its not really pheasible to start each app as a different user. then your user would need full rights to the other user's homedir for the app to function properly |
| 18:25.37 | jordanm | Susanne: and we know need to implement ACLs to accomplish this... its not nearly as flexible as a MAC system |
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| 18:25.44 | jordanm | s/know/now |
| 18:26.13 | ne7work | craigevil, can I use only first DVD iso to full install ? |
| 18:26.45 | Susanne | jordanm: well.. ok. i guess "modprobe -r apparmor" will temporarely get rid of it? |
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| 18:27.03 | jordanm | ne7work: installation can be done using a netinst cd, even without connection to the internet. dpkg sent you a link to the install guide, which should contain info about PPPoE |
| 18:27.12 | craigevil | ne7work: first dvd should be more than enough, take a look at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual |
| 18:27.26 | jordanm | Susanne: you should ask a channel whose distro implements apparmor... specifically the one you use. |
| 18:28.18 | ne7work | craigevil, where I click on this link Installation Guide for Intel x86 ? or what? |
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| 18:28.36 | jordanm | Susanne: no apparmor in debian, see #440680 |
| 18:28.56 | Susanne | jordanm: ok. thanks. |
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| 18:29.55 | _2 | W: GPG error: http://security.debian.org etch/updates Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY |
| 18:30.09 | _2 | ummm is there an easy fix for that ? |
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| 18:30.20 | LowValueTarget | I setup a local server as an Ubuntu Repository Mirror using apt-mirror..... in my mirror.list file I specified defaultarch as amd64. Will this mirror architecture independent packages as well? |
| 18:30.29 | ne7work | craigevil, what's different between debian and ubuntu server edition? |
| 18:31.01 | craigevil | ne7work: not a freaking clue, have never ran ubuntu |
| 18:31.18 | ne7work | what is clue |
| 18:31.24 | ne7work | please translate this word |
| 18:31.26 | ne7work | :) |
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| 18:31.51 | _2 | ne7work just trolling or do you really want an answer to that question |
| 18:32.16 | ne7work | I really want answer please (= |
| 18:32.17 | _2 | ne7work type /join #ubuntu and ask them what is different |
| 18:32.25 | LowValueTarget | ne7work: If you google debian vs ubuntu, there are quite a few results |
| 18:32.26 | ne7work | xa-xa :X |
| 18:32.27 | aiux | _2, etch ? no more security.debian.org for it |
| 18:32.32 | ne7work | okay okay |
| 18:32.36 | LowValueTarget | ne7work: there is also an #ubuntu-server channel |
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| 18:33.24 | _2 | aiux the repo exists it's the gpg key that is missing |
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| 18:33.47 | Athas | Will circular directory structures (with symlinks) cause horrible things to happen? |
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| 18:33.49 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell ne7work about why debian |
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| 18:34.11 | aiux | dpkg, tell ne7work about etch |
| 18:34.13 | jelly-home | Athas: no, unless you have really dumb apps |
| 18:34.24 | aiux | dpkg, tell _2 about etch |
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| 18:34.33 | aalex_ | hello |
| 18:34.35 | aiux | sorry ne7work |
| 18:34.42 | jelly-home | aiux: use /msg dpkg something, instead |
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| 18:34.57 | _2 | Athas there are commonly circ/dir loops in linux /usr/bin/X* for example |
| 18:35.12 | SeySayux | What would be the easiest way to get gcc >= 4.4 on a debian 5.0 system? |
| 18:35.23 | aalex_ | I am packaging a package using CDBS and autotools. When I run "make dist", the debian directory is not included in the tarball. Should it be? If so, how? |
| 18:35.30 | Athas | _2: oh, good. |
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| 18:35.58 | abrotman | SeySayux: you can try to backport it yourself, but i'd expect it won't be happy about it |
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| 18:36.02 | aalex_ | I mean: should I add a Makefile.am in that directory and in there, include all the files of that dir? |
| 18:36.17 | jordanm | aalex_: #debian-mentors on oftc |
| 18:36.23 | gravity | aalex_: No, it shouldn't be included in the tarball. That's what the diff.gz is for |
| 18:36.32 | aalex_ | jordanm, ok, thanks. that's right |
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| 18:38.09 | LowValueTarget | anyone have any idea regarding my apt-mirror question? |
| 18:38.43 | abrotman | LowValueTarget: you're asking us about ubuntu? |
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| 18:39.30 | LowValueTarget | abrotman: you can replace ubuntu with debian |
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| 18:39.38 | LowValueTarget | same difference as far as this issue is concerned |
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| 18:39.55 | abrotman | LowValueTarget: please ask your ubuntu questions in #ubuntu, you've been silenced for being offtopic for 10 minutes |
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| 18:41.48 | jack_singh | Hi can anyone answer a apt-cacher question |
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| 18:42.40 | Bushmills | how should anyone know whether they can? |
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| 18:43.39 | Bushmills | i suppose the answer is "yes. apt-acher has authors, and they should be able to answer (at least some) questions" |
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| 18:45.56 | merovinq_ | Hey guys, I am running into a "Error 13: Invalid or Unsupported Executable Format" when I restarted my debian server... It is not dual boot which is the case with most the threads I've been reading. Anyone have anything I can try? I just started a debian live cd with gnome |
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| 18:48.57 | SeySayux | No one a suggestion to get gcc 4.4 on debian? |
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| 18:49.13 | SeySayux | (except for either a) a painful backport process b) compile-it-yourself ) |
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| 18:49.28 | lindi- | SeySayux: that kind of question is not productive. and you should explain why you want gcc 4.4 |
| 18:49.51 | abrotman | SeySayux: those pretty much are the answers .. |
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| 18:50.15 | d3sync | SeySayux: use apt-get :) |
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| 18:51.12 | LowValueTarget | I setup a local server as a Debian Repository Mirror using apt-mirror..... in my mirror.list file I specified defaultarch as amd64. Will this mirror architecture independent packages as well? (lenny, apt-mirror 0.40) |
| 18:51.24 | abrotman | LowValueTarget: dpkg -l apt-mirror |
| 18:51.30 | SeySayux | lindi-: that's very simple. There is this nifty piece of software, lets call it, oh... my project, which requires a special flag to be passed to gcc. However, that flag didn't exist until the wonderful gcc developers descided to add it in version 4.4 |
| 18:51.43 | SeySayux | d3sync: could you, erm, suggest a repo? |
| 18:51.49 | lindi- | SeySayux: you can probably just omit the flag for now? |
| 18:51.51 | LowValueTarget | 0.4.5 rather |
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| 18:52.20 | SeySayux | lindi-: well, that would have a rather painful effect on the build |
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| 18:52.23 | lindi- | SeySayux: it's kind of hard to guess without exact details :) |
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| 18:52.54 | d3sync | SeySayux: do you have some kind of gui ? |
| 18:52.59 | d3sync | webmin |
| 18:53.04 | d3sync | or synaptic packet manager ? |
| 18:53.13 | LowValueTarget | abrotman: 0.4.5-1 |
| 18:53.26 | d3sync | you can do a search for gcc 4.4 |
| 18:53.27 | SeySayux | lindi-: 1 sec, i'm going to give you a link to a 2 page explaination... |
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| 18:54.15 | SeySayux | d3sync: obviously, I did that. Obviously, the latest version supplied in the official repos is 4.3. Why would I waste my time here if there gcc 4.4 was available just with aptitude? |
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| 18:54.50 | wols | ,versions gcc4.4 |
| 18:54.50 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'gcc4.4' was found. |
| 18:54.52 | wols | ,versions gcc |
| 18:54.54 | judd | gcc -- etch: 4:4.1.1-15; lenny: 4:4.3.2-2; sid: 4:4.4.3-1; squeeze: 4:4.4.3-1 |
| 18:54.57 | abrotman | it'd be gcc-4.4 |
| 18:55.17 | d3sync | SeySayux you are using stable version of debian ? |
| 18:55.23 | SeySayux | d3sync: yup |
| 18:55.34 | SeySayux | 5.0, as stated in my initial question |
| 18:55.51 | wols | SeySayux: backport it yourself. shouldn't have onerous dependencies tho compiling gcc itslf is onerous of course |
| 18:56.05 | SeySayux | lindi-: does this (http://libsylph.sourceforge.net/wiki/C%2B%2B0x) and this (http://gcc.gnu.org/projects/cxx0x.html) be sufficient? |
| 18:56.31 | wols | !tell SeySayux about ssb |
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| 18:57.07 | jelly-home | SeySayux: hey, if it's your project, you can make it gcc-4.3 compatible! |
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| 18:57.21 | lindi- | SeySayux: probably |
| 18:57.28 | d3sync | SeySayux: http://jaqque.sbih.org/kplug/apt-pinning.html <- this will help you to be up to date at all times :) |
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| 18:57.48 | SeySayux | jelly-home: I could indeed remove half of it's features, if you mean that... |
| 18:57.53 | abrotman | d3sync: he doesn't need pinning |
| 18:58.01 | d3sync | it will allow you to use unstable packages |
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| 18:58.28 | d3sync | it's a good thing to know though for future projects |
| 18:58.36 | wols | d3sync: please don't ruin other people's debian installs. thank you |
| 18:58.49 | jelly-home | SeySayux: what is the missing gcc option anyway? |
| 18:59.06 | wols | jelly-home: probably lots of fancy new C++ stuff |
| 18:59.07 | SeySayux | -std=c++0x |
| 18:59.25 | d3sync | wols: ruin them by giving them the ability to have the latest software are you serious ? |
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| 18:59.46 | wols | d3sync: yes I am deadly serious |
| 18:59.48 | abrotman | d3sync: it's a horrible thing to do |
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| 19:00.02 | d3sync | it's definetely not |
| 19:00.08 | wols | d3sync: it's the fastest way known to debiankind to ruin a debian system |
| 19:00.13 | abrotman | it very much is .. please don't ask people to do it |
| 19:00.26 | d3sync | hey i m not asking |
| 19:00.30 | d3sync | i m just suggesting |
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| 19:00.36 | d3sync | and you can use it when ever you want |
| 19:00.38 | wols | yes. suggesting very stupid things |
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| 19:00.44 | abrotman | if you wanted a stable system, you wouldn't be doing something that idiotic |
| 19:00.49 | d3sync | wols: dont be a retard |
| 19:00.56 | d3sync | it's an option ppl can have |
| 19:01.01 | d3sync | if they want it they can use it |
| 19:01.15 | jelly-home | SeySayux: oh, so you're writing c++0x draft compliant code |
| 19:01.15 | jhutchins_lt | d3sync: It's a bad idea. |
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| 19:01.18 | wols | d3sync: you clearly show how you have no clue whatsoever. please stop |
| 19:01.36 | abrotman | jelly-home: can we make fun that it's still called C++0x ? |
| 19:01.38 | Bushmills | merovinq, "Invalid or Unsupported Executable Format" indicates a corrupted executable |
| 19:01.38 | d3sync | sometimes unstable versions are more stable ... |
| 19:01.46 | wols | d3sync: either run stable or run testing/unstable. and never shall the two meet |
| 19:01.47 | AimHere | Eating broken glass is an option, but it's not necessarily bad to tell people not to do it. |
| 19:01.52 | jelly-home | abrotman: the decade is young |
| 19:01.55 | abrotman | d3sync: that doesn't make the whole system more stable .. think about it ... |
| 19:02.01 | abrotman | jelly-home: heh |
| 19:02.10 | SeySayux | jelly-home: do I detect an undertone of sarcasm there? |
| 19:02.22 | d3sync | if you want to add the "new thing" although it's a good thing to have this option enabled |
| 19:02.25 | wols | sarcasm? about c++? never! |
| 19:02.28 | jelly-home | SeySayux: oh, definitely |
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| 19:02.51 | Bushmills | d3sync: depends on your definition of "stable" |
| 19:02.56 | jhutchins_lt | d3sync: No, it's not a good thing. It's a bad thing that some people get away with, but whch can trash the system of someone who doesn't understand what they're doing. |
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| 19:03.57 | d3sync | SeySayux for example needs to download gcc4.4 which he can't on a stable but he could using pinning |
| 19:04.02 | d3sync | that's why i gave a link |
| 19:04.08 | jelly-home | SeySayux: "simplest" would probably be build gcc from source into /usr/local; possibly not "smartest", though. You could gamble and substitute the OS underneath with one that comes with gcc-4.4 |
| 19:04.22 | abrotman | d3sync: there are better ways than screwing with preferences |
| 19:04.32 | d3sync | and not some random information about pinning |
| 19:04.42 | jelly-home | d3sync: that's not going to work with an intrusive package like gcc* |
| 19:04.44 | abrotman | it breaks machines |
| 19:04.50 | wols | jelly-home: why not backporting squeeze gcc? |
| 19:05.07 | SeySayux | So, we've spent 30 minutes of discussing, and the outcome is that my best bet would be to compile gcc from scratch (which, by the way, I'm getting more and more experienced in, as not a lot distributions shipped with gcc 4.4 when I started writing this). So, this is usually where I say "thank you for the help" and leave the channel. |
| 19:05.16 | abrotman | d3sync: you do realize taht it would require him to also install a new libc6 ? |
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| 19:05.33 | wols | abrotman: minor detail. very minor |
| 19:05.50 | abrotman | oh whoops, no it wouldn't |
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| 19:05.52 | jelly-home | SeySayux: hey, it's the state of the nation. If your requirements are both "gcc-4.4+" and "debian 5", that's what it is |
| 19:05.53 | abrotman | but the rest of it ... |
| 19:06.07 | abrotman | and that may change at some point |
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| 19:07.02 | d3sync | in that case he should abandoned the idea of debian and go slackware and install everything from scratch :P |
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| 19:07.25 | jelly-home | the user left. Can the channel move on? |
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| 19:07.44 | dondelelcaro | jelly-home: no, the next hours must be spent dissembling it. |
| 19:07.52 | d3sync | :P you don't like small talk jelly-home ?:P |
| 19:07.55 | d3sync | xD |
| 19:08.12 | jelly-home | d3sync: I use #debian-offtopic for that, tyvm! |
| 19:08.39 | d3sync | well it's not offtopic :P |
| 19:08.54 | d3sync | so it won't be tha appropriate channel |
| 19:08.58 | d3sync | xDD |
| 19:09.03 | jelly-home | d3sync: YES IT IS |
| 19:09.16 | c3d4n0 | how to audit files in debian? |
| 19:09.19 | d3sync | how ? the channel is about debian :) |
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| 19:09.24 | d3sync | and i was talking about debian |
| 19:09.26 | wols | c3d4n0: audit how? |
| 19:09.47 | dondelelcaro | c3d4n0: you can use debsums for some files, but it depends on what you're looking at |
| 19:09.55 | AimHere | The easiest and worst way to audit the file is to do cat file > /dev/dsp |
| 19:10.06 | c3d4n0 | I need to know who copy or delete some files |
| 19:10.08 | AimHere | Don't do that though |
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| 19:14.56 | Traveler67 | hello |
| 19:15.07 | _2 | why this on; apt-get dist-upgrade >>> The following packages have been kept back: libmozjs0d libxul-common libxul0d xulrunner-gnome-support ? |
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| 19:15.19 | nsadmin | d3sync: you're either supporting, being supported -- debian only -- or off topic |
| 19:16.08 | nsadmin | that;s how communications are seen here, and the ops tend to hardline it |
| 19:17.02 | bott | c3d4no: filesystems don't usually record such information. try sifting through */.bash_history or so. unix is pretty forgetful by design. |
| 19:17.06 | _2 | ? |
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| 19:20.04 | _2 | ? |
| 19:20.22 | wols | !tell _2 about kept back |
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| 19:20.48 | Skeeter- | 500 OOPS: cannot change directory: how to fix??? |
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| 19:21.04 | _2 | seem to be losing connection a lot here |
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| 19:21.22 | _2 | Skeeter- you may not have permission to enter the dir |
| 19:21.25 | wols | !tell Skeeter- about errors |
| 19:21.30 | _2 | ls -ld /path/ |
| 19:21.34 | ub1693 | hello guys, i will be installing debian on a old pc, i want to make sure that the disk has no bad sectors |
| 19:21.46 | wols | ub1693: smartmontools |
| 19:21.53 | ub1693 | so i decided to fill it with 1s then zeros than 1s if possible |
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| 19:22.19 | wols | ub1693: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda |
| 19:22.23 | nsadmin | you can do that, as well as other things |
| 19:22.54 | ub1693 | how do i fill with 1s? |
| 19:23.06 | tome | ub1693, doesn't fsck support a sector by sector scan? |
| 19:23.15 | nsadmin | to write the 1s you'll need some storage, at least 1 sector |
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| 19:23.28 | ub1693 | thats ok, |
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| 19:24.05 | ub1693 | but how do i do it :D |
| 19:24.12 | nsadmin | and 1 sector will crawl... you want more like a cyl worth of 1s |
| 19:25.07 | ub1693 | whats the comand? |
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| 19:25.53 | wols | ub1693: why can't you use smartmontools? |
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| 19:27.07 | ub1693 | it seems like smartmon is a monitoring tool |
| 19:27.17 | ub1693 | i wanna do it once and for all |
| 19:27.21 | ub1693 | i wont be using the pc |
| 19:27.34 | wols | it is not just a monitoring tool |
| 19:27.40 | nsadmin | maybe there are other things in there |
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| 19:28.20 | tome | naive question, what's the problem with just using fsck? |
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| 19:28.40 | nsadmin | ub1693, but another important area... is, will the install media boot, will the installation work, will it boot into the installation |
| 19:28.47 | wols | tome: it doesn't do what he wants |
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| 19:29.07 | tome | wols, can't it do a sector by sector check of the media? |
| 19:29.28 | nsadmin | I thought mkfs could do that too |
| 19:29.54 | wols | tome: no. fsck is checking filesystems. not disk media |
| 19:30.33 | wols | what you think of is badblocks. and that's pretty crude compared to smartmontools. not one better doesn't even think about what ub1693 asks... |
| 19:30.45 | nsadmin | mkfs could be run on the whole media... let's see, does it still do that... |
| 19:31.06 | wols | nsadmin: -c |
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| 19:31.14 | ub1693 | a simple .com file must be able to do the work i just dont remeber assembly |
| 19:31.30 | tome | wols, thanks, I thought fsck had an option to test the sectors as well. |
| 19:31.54 | nsadmin | wols: does d-i support adding -c? |
| 19:32.04 | wols | ub1693: this is not #msdos |
| 19:32.12 | wols | nsadmin: no clue |
| 19:32.34 | nsadmin | hmm... mkfs could be in busybox |
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| 19:33.15 | wols | nsadmin: and busybox can make the myriad of different filesystems linux has? |
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| 19:33.44 | nsadmin | that would be the question... I was thinking no |
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| 19:34.30 | _2 | tome it doesn't report on sectors that SMART has flagged as bad ? |
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| 19:34.51 | tome | _2, ah, makes sense since those are not part of the FS I guess |
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| 19:35.36 | nsadmin | are large (1tb) tape drives supported by debian kernels? |
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| 19:36.01 | wols | considering large drives are, why not? |
| 19:36.01 | _2 | 1t tape ? |
| 19:36.30 | nsadmin | dunno... that's why I'm asking :) |
| 19:36.39 | Lin | Hello while build a package here I recieve: dpkg-buildpackage: source versioon unknown. How can I set upstream version? cause dh_builddeb is complaining about in end of building. |
| 19:37.01 | Lin | dpkg-deb - error: (upstream) version (`unknown') doesn't contain any digits |
| 19:37.36 | nsadmin | _2: I looked at a few drives the other day, there's hp and tandburg and a few other makers... the low side is about $3000 |
| 19:38.00 | _2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:38.06 | nsadmin | Lin: wouldn't that be in debian/control? |
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| 19:38.34 | Lin | nsadmin: sure. but which tag? I added Version: Upstream-version: none worked. |
| 19:38.43 | _2 | why am i getting dependancy errors trying to install gnome-core ? |
| 19:39.03 | nsadmin | _2: are you mixing dists? |
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| 19:40.47 | _2 | and why is my connection resetting ever minute |
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| 19:40.54 | _2 | every even |
| 19:40.57 | jelly-home | nsadmin: tape drives are about yay big, but tape _media_... |
| 19:41.14 | tuv | how does the ldap admin password get set if i install slapd non-interactively (no debconf prompts)? |
| 19:41.24 | nsadmin | I haven't had much good luck with tape drives... |
| 19:41.27 | ub1693 | tapes, i always wondered what are they for |
| 19:41.29 | _2 | why am i getting dependancy errors trying to install gnome-core ? <<< did anyone answer that ? |
| 19:41.37 | nsadmin | ub1693, backup |
| 19:41.47 | nsadmin | _2: are you mixing dists? |
| 19:41.51 | ub1693 | are they cheaper? |
| 19:42.23 | jelly-home | nsadmin: $employer is using LTO4 (800GB native) with RHEL5 without issues |
| 19:42.25 | _2 | nsadmin nope it was a clean install from cd and i added repos for multimedia all one release name "etch" |
| 19:42.50 | _2 | shouldn't be erroring out. not sure what did it... |
| 19:42.52 | wols | _2: dpkg -l libc6 |
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| 19:43.06 | _2 | ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13et GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 19:43.18 | nsadmin | conventional wisdom suggests the backups last longer, but I'm not sure that's true... but: dvd/cd can get scratched and have been shown to not last, and HDs are unreliable as backup because they have moving parts |
| 19:43.19 | jelly-home | nsadmin: it's not like you have partitioning issues on tape, and block size has been variable for a long time |
| 19:43.20 | wols | any special reason you run etch? |
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| 19:43.39 | _2 | wols less buggy than lenny for my hardware |
| 19:43.48 | tuv | random password? (how does the ldap admin password get set if i install slapd non-interactively (no debconf prompts)?) |
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| 19:43.57 | _2 | until i reinstalled it last night that is. |
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| 19:44.36 | _2 | well still works better for the hardware. but this dpkg issue is the only complaint i have,,, atm |
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| 19:44.41 | jelly-home | nsadmin: the main problem is how to feed the drives fast enough (LTO4 needs at least, I think, 40MB/s not to do shoe-shining) |
| 19:44.44 | wols | _2: installing a non supported version of debian is not the answer |
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| 19:45.10 | _2 | wols not "installing" reinstalling :) |
| 19:45.24 | _2 | just reworked the partition table a little |
| 19:45.34 | _2 | like deleted it. |
| 19:45.36 | wols | _2: doesn't matter how you call the booboo you made: not supported anymore |
| 19:45.57 | wols | and I kinda doubt the reasoning |
| 19:46.09 | _2 | reasoning ? |
| 19:46.34 | _2 | for reloading you mean ? |
| 19:46.38 | wols | your reasoning for installing etch |
| 19:46.51 | _2 | what do you mean? |
| 19:46.56 | tuv | is etch not supported? |
| 19:47.05 | _2 | tuv nope. |
| 19:47.18 | tuv | how come there are still security updates? |
| 19:47.29 | aiux | !etch |
| 19:47.30 | dpkg | Etch is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Etch security support ended on 2010-02-15, this release is no longer supported. Etch users should upgrade to Lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>. For old Etch ISOs, ask me about <etch iso>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEtch http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100121 |
| 19:47.30 | themill | tuv: there aren't |
| 19:47.36 | _2 | tuv mention etch, get slapped. see ^ |
| 19:47.57 | tuv | oh.. recent development |
| 19:47.59 | wols | _2: there are rare reasons for running etch. yours isn't so far as I can see |
| 19:48.12 | jelly-home | tuv: if February is recent, yes |
| 19:48.13 | wols | tuv: no not recent. has been thus for old debian versions for years now |
| 19:48.13 | themill | tuv: if by "recent" you mean three months ago |
| 19:48.39 | tuv | jelly-home: with respect to the life span of a debian stable release - very recent |
| 19:48.50 | nsadmin | and this reworking you did of the partition table... well, unless you tell the details, there's no way of telling if it has anything to do with the problem |
| 19:49.18 | themill | tuv: you've also had 12 months' notice of the exact date that would happen, and about 18 months' notice of the approximate date. |
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| 19:50.07 | tuv | themill: i'm not complaining. i'm being educated |
| 19:50.08 | nsadmin | _2 is not having a good day... |
| 19:50.29 | tuv | nsadmin: yeah.. ISP-debian conspiracy |
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| 19:51.13 | nsadmin | or freenode or irc or personality clash between himself and the ISP BOFH... |
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| 19:54.52 | Lin | nsadmin: do you have anyidea regards my packaging problem? |
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| 19:57.08 | tuv | debconf asks for the admin password upon installing slapd. i presume if i don't provide one (or install non-interactively) i get a random password? if that is the case, how do i reset it to a known value? |
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| 19:59.30 | wols | more likely none or an empty password |
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| 20:01.25 | nsadmin | why not provide one? |
| 20:01.48 | wols | nsadmin: too obvious |
| 20:01.49 | nsadmin | if certainty results from doing so, and confusion results from not... |
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| 20:07.50 | eikenberry | This a good/appropriate place for dash questions? |
| 20:08.14 | Juzzy | ask |
| 20:08.33 | eikenberry | what's the dash equiv of this... |
| 20:08.41 | eikenberry | x="1,2,3"; echo $x | IFS=, read a b c; echo $a |
| 20:08.45 | eikenberry | That outputs 1 |
| 20:08.57 | Lin | yes |
| 20:09.17 | Lin | dash equiv? i dont got what do you mean... |
| 20:09.29 | eikenberry | that doesn't work in dash |
| 20:09.35 | Juzzy | it doesnt work in dash? |
| 20:09.40 | Lin | as x="1-2-3" ? |
| 20:09.44 | Lin | use IFS=- |
| 20:09.47 | eikenberry | nope. it looses the a b c valujes |
| 20:09.49 | Juzzy | te IFS=, may be breaking? |
| 20:09.50 | eikenberry | values |
| 20:10.00 | Juzzy | whats $a equal? |
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| 20:10.27 | Lin | $a is the first value from a comma separated list. |
| 20:10.35 | eikenberry | It is unset |
| 20:10.37 | Juzzy | i mean in dash |
| 20:11.00 | eikenberry | This is due to how dash handles pipelines |
| 20:11.33 | eikenberry | here's the snippet from the man page about it... |
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| 20:11.49 | eikenberry | Note that unlike some other shells, each process in the pipeline is a child of |
| 20:11.49 | eikenberry | the invoking shell (unless it is a shell builtin, in which case it executes in |
| 20:11.49 | eikenberry | the current shell -- but any effect it has on the environâ ment is wiped). |
| 20:12.11 | eikenberry | Sorry, meant to strip out those newlines. |
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| 20:13.08 | eikenberry | So any changes to the env after the first '|' are ignored. |
| 20:13.21 | nsadmin | checks for the wisdom... let's see, so you're reading him the man page... wait! he still has to read it! |
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| 20:14.17 | Juzzy | echo x | read a ; echo $a <-- that doesnt even work in dash |
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| 20:14.44 | Riviera | It works in a few shells only (notably ksh and zsh) |
| 20:15.06 | Juzzy | makes me glad i still point all my /bin/sh to bash ;/ |
| 20:15.13 | eikenberry | There is a related bug. |
| 20:15.16 | eikenberry | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=418183 |
| 20:15.28 | Riviera | Juzzy: It would not work in bash. |
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| 20:15.48 | Riviera | Juzzy: Also note that bash does less behave than bash when started as sh. |
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| 20:16.12 | Rienzilla | hmm, where does one find the default kernel configuration for a debian installation on a mips platform? |
| 20:16.30 | wols | Rienzilla: /boot/config* like on every debian |
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| 20:16.39 | Juzzy | bash equiv: echo x | ( read a ; echo $a ) |
| 20:16.53 | Juzzy | dash too |
| 20:16.53 | Rienzilla | yes, but I have no such debian running |
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| 20:17.23 | eikenberry | Juzzy. That works in dash too. |
| 20:17.23 | wols | ALL debian arches have the same kernel config |
| 20:17.26 | Juzzy | x="1,2,3"; echo $x | (IFS=, read a b c; echo $a) <-- works in dash |
| 20:17.29 | Lin | eikenberry: http://pastebin.com/k0WwmApi |
| 20:17.32 | Lin | i did this way |
| 20:17.34 | eikenberry | excellent. |
| 20:17.35 | eikenberry | thanks |
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| 20:17.44 | cafaro | How can you install the sid kernel (2.6.33), the easy way (as package), without upgrading every other package from sid? |
| 20:17.44 | wols | and of course the kernel image package is freely available, including the kernel config file |
| 20:17.47 | Riviera | Juzzy: that's rather a portable version, for bash you could use <<< and < <(..) |
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| 20:18.00 | wols | cafaro: why? |
| 20:18.16 | Bop | why is memtest86+ a very old version on lenny ? |
| 20:18.22 | Lin | but without file operations is far better |
| 20:18.25 | Rienzilla | wols: do they? since available configuration options differ on the different architectures |
| 20:18.26 | eikenberry | Lin: thanks, I thought of that and was trying to avoid a tmp file. |
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| 20:18.38 | SerajewelKS | Bop: everything is a very old version in lenny. lenny is old. |
| 20:18.38 | eikenberry | I like the () better. |
| 20:18.41 | eikenberry | Need to make a note of it. |
| 20:18.42 | cafaro | wols: trying to get my ati driver working on a newer kernel |
| 20:19.08 | wols | cafaro: did yo correct the firmware problem I told you about? |
| 20:19.27 | Lin | eikenberry: be aware the $a ONLY exists inside () |
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| 20:19.47 | Lin | if you need to use it far ahead in your code. you dont have it. |
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| 20:20.07 | Lin | x="1-2-3"; echo $x | (IFS=- read a b c; echo $a) ; echo outside $A |
| 20:20.08 | eikenberry | Lin. True. Gave me an idea though. Might have to fall back on the tmpfile. |
| 20:20.23 | Lin | change capital A to lower A |
| 20:20.26 | Lin | =D |
| 20:20.28 | eikenberry | nods |
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| 20:20.44 | cafaro | wols: yes i did |
| 20:20.51 | Lin | unfortunelly when playing with read i have to jump to TMP files a lot. |
| 20:20.58 | Riviera | eikenberry: is that only for splitting the variable? |
| 20:21.22 | Riviera | eikenberry: maybe parameter expansion features could help. |
| 20:21.34 | awalm | if i want to use apt offline (http://batmat.net/apt-offline/ch3.html) i need a list of available packages, my question is where do i get that list from and where do i put it on the system |
| 20:21.50 | eikenberry | Riviera. I'm looking for the multiple assignment. Don't think expansion helps there does it? |
| 20:21.55 | Lin | awalm: use dpkg-scanpackages |
| 20:22.18 | Juzzy | awalm: want to run a small/local repo? |
| 20:22.19 | eviltoaster | Someone using awesome window manager here? if so please send me a copy :) |
| 20:22.20 | Lin | you can let it on the same directory. |
| 20:22.28 | Riviera | eikenberry: well, depends a bit on where the data comes from |
| 20:22.32 | dondelelcaro | eviltoaster: aptitude install awesome; |
| 20:22.36 | Lin | just add that directory as a regular repository. |
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| 20:22.50 | eviltoaster | Someone using awesome window manager here? if so please send me a copy /// rc.lua sry :) |
| 20:22.51 | Lin | as deb /path/to/dir ./ |
| 20:22.58 | eikenberry | Riviera. Stored in a variable at this point. |
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| 20:23.11 | awalm | Juzzy, well i was talking to someone on here yesterday and they pointed to me this 'sneaker net' solution where you could do apt-get on the system without internet and use the output to get a list of uris that need to be downloaded |
| 20:23.28 | dondelelcaro | eviltoaster: there's an example included in the distribution of awesome, there are examples on the wiki, or you can check out http://svn.donarmstrong.com/don/trunk/home_modules/x_base/.config/awesome/rc.lua or similar |
| 20:23.32 | awalm | then take those uris with awk and turn them into wgets, so they files could be downloaded on a non-debian system |
| 20:23.35 | Bushmills | eviltoaster: i can send you the package. how much will you pay me? |
| 20:23.39 | Riviera | eikenberry: (how did it come into the variable?) |
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| 20:23.58 | Bushmills | (handling, burning to dvd, postage, etc) |
| 20:24.06 | eviltoaster | Bushmills, -100 |
| 20:24.12 | dondelelcaro | awalm: yeah, but in order to do that, you have to have the machine on the net at some point in time to get the repository urls |
| 20:24.42 | dondelelcaro | awalm: apt-zip and similar can be used to get around it, but it's not entirely trivial |
| 20:24.57 | Lin | i like the scanpackages =D |
| 20:25.01 | awalm | dondelelcaro, well i can download things from this system and use a usb drive to put things on the non-internet connected system |
| 20:25.03 | eikenberry | Riviera. A $() call w/ its output assigned to said variable. |
| 20:25.14 | dondelelcaro | awalm: is there any reason why that machine can't be connected to the internet? |
| 20:25.14 | cafaro | wols: So, could you tell me how to do that? |
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| 20:25.48 | awalm | dondelelcaro, because it only has wifi and the wifi isnt working atm (im working on hacking the driver) |
| 20:26.07 | dondelelcaro | awalm: what wifi card is it? have you installed the firmware? |
| 20:26.26 | Riviera | eikenberry: okay |
| 20:26.42 | Riviera | eikenberry: what I meant was: var=1,2,3,4; a=${var%%,*}; b=${var#*,}; b=${b%%,*}; printf 'a: "%s" b: "%s"\n' "$a" "$b" |
| 20:26.48 | awalm | dondelelcaro, yeah, its a broadcom, got the firmware etc, its the driver that really needs a fix, some DMA problems |
| 20:26.49 | dondelelcaro | awalm: if you need to use sneakernet, it's easier to find the exact set of packages that you need using packages.debian.org or similar, and download them directly to a key, and then dpkg -i them |
| 20:26.56 | Riviera | eikenberry: it's not very beautiful, though. |
| 20:27.16 | dondelelcaro | awalm: and you're using the 2.6.32 kernel? |
| 20:27.22 | awalm | dondelelcaro, yeah |
| 20:27.30 | dondelelcaro | awalm: and the 2.6.26 kernel has the same problem, I'm assuming? |
| 20:27.37 | dondelelcaro | (or just doesn't work at all) |
| 20:27.47 | awalm | idk about 2.6.26, im running squeeze |
| 20:27.47 | Riviera | eikenberry: but instead consider using read from that $(command)'s output, doing the splitting already then. (omitting the $() of course:)) |
| 20:27.59 | dondelelcaro | awalm: I'd try installing 2.6.26 to see if it works at all |
| 20:29.21 | dondelelcaro | awalm: as far as doing a complete upgrade, apt-zip is the way to do it, but you have to manage to get the contents of the Packages files onto that machine; doing that isn't exactly trivial, but you basically get them, and shove them somewhere, then have a file:/// repository pointing at them in your sources.list |
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| 20:30.20 | awalm | dondelelcaro, okay, so i could just mimic the repo on a flash drive then and put that in my sources list? |
| 20:30.21 | dondelelcaro | (unless apt-get will just read the contents of /var/cache/apt/archives... I've never bothered to read that bit of the apt code, so I'm not sure) |
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| 20:30.29 | dondelelcaro | awalm: sure |
| 20:30.38 | eikenberry | Riviera. I see. I'll play around with that as well. Thanks. |
| 20:30.45 | dondelelcaro | you could even have a complete mirror on a flash drive if you wanted |
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| 20:31.13 | dondelelcaro | (well, it'd probably be a usb disk drive, but whatever) |
| 20:31.15 | awalm | "apt-get -qq --print-uris dist-upgrade > uris" <- thats the command i was interested in using, just dont have a list of packages for apt to use |
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| 20:31.23 | eikenberry | Note the read won't work as part of the command for the same reason. It has to be done at the end of the pipeline. |
| 20:31.45 | dondelelcaro | awalm: right, which is why you need to run the apt-get update; part of the command somehow |
| 20:32.02 | dondelelcaro | awalm: which involves getting the Packages and Release files into a place where apt-get can see them |
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| 20:32.32 | awalm | does it just download those files into /var/cache/apt/archives? |
| 20:32.46 | dondelelcaro | awalm: and then it parses them and loads them into pkgcache.bin |
| 20:32.55 | awalm | ok |
| 20:33.00 | dondelelcaro | I don't know if you can get it to read them without it actually downloading them |
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| 20:33.43 | awalm | dondelelcaro, hmm, well i think i have enough info now to maybe come up with a solution that works |
| 20:34.08 | awalm | just not very familar with the apt system workings i guess |
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| 20:37.20 | cafaro | How can I install the sid kernel (without having to install every other new sid package)? thanks! |
| 20:37.40 | dondelelcaro | cafaro: install a backport of it |
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| 21:01.34 | eshat | Hi all,... is there way to get a precompiled 2.6.34 Kernel ? |
| 21:01.41 | eshat | (I am on sid) |
| 21:02.13 | hramrach | eshat: compile it and then it will be precompiled ;-) |
| 21:03.22 | eshat | hramrach: haha, good answer |
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| 21:03.52 | eshat | if someone can recomment a good (actual) howto, how to compile a kernel |
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| 21:05.11 | kzim | hi |
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| 21:05.27 | scummos_ | hi! any chance to get a firefox 3.6.x package? i'm using debian testing, and it still has 3.5.9.x |
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| 21:06.22 | hramrach | eshat: use kernel-package and build the initrd manually because kernel-package and initramfs-tools are out of sync .. for like half a year already |
| 21:06.44 | d3sync | eshat: http://www.falkotimme.com/howtos/debian_kernel2.6_compile/ <- have you seen this one ? |
| 21:07.02 | dondelelcaro | scummos_: it's already in experimental, and it'll eventually be released into unstable once it's working |
| 21:07.16 | eshat | d3sync: no, checking it now |
| 21:07.33 | hramrach | is it that broken? |
| 21:07.43 | eshat | d3sync: it's from 2005,... i think there should be tools, to ease thinks |
| 21:07.47 | scummos_ | dondelelcaro: i see, i'm in the debian world... as soon you're sure it works, it'll be released into unstable, right? :) |
| 21:08.09 | scummos_ | would you recommend switching to experimental repos, pull firefox from there, and switch back? |
| 21:08.17 | scummos_ | or won't that work probably? |
| 21:08.19 | wols | !tell eshat about kernel-package |
| 21:08.36 | eshat | wols: asked dpkg myself 10 seconds ago,.. thanks |
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| 21:10.16 | dondelelcaro | scummos_: uh... no. |
| 21:10.19 | d3sync | eshat: there is also this one http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ch-common-tasks.html |
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| 21:10.32 | dondelelcaro | scummos_: if you're asking how to use experimental, you shouldn't be using it |
| 21:10.37 | Yeretik | Hi... I'm lookin' for a solution to auto rotate my desktop wallpapers... Any suggestion ? |
| 21:10.40 | d3sync | which is more updated :P |
| 21:10.58 | scummos_ | dondelelcaro: i don't want to use experimental. i just want firefox 3.6. :) |
| 21:11.08 | dondelelcaro | scummos_: as soon as there's a version of iceweasel which is a candidate for release, then it'll be uploaded to unstable, and eventually transition to testing |
| 21:11.09 | scummos_ | but okay, thanks, i can live without it |
| 21:11.22 | dondelelcaro | so if you wait, it'll show up |
| 21:11.39 | scummos_ | yeah, some time :D |
| 21:12.22 | dondelelcaro | !siyh |
| 21:12.22 | dpkg | siyh is, like, Sooner If You Help. How? http://qa.debian.org/ , http://wiki.debian.org/BSP |
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| 21:41.08 | jorge_ | how to open pcfilemanager has root ? |
| 21:41.17 | jorge_ | gksu pcfileman doesnt work :S |
| 21:41.26 | scummos_ | why doesn't that work? :p |
| 21:42.08 | hramrach | perhaps it's one of those single instance programs? |
| 21:42.29 | jorge_ | cmon guys :S |
| 21:42.37 | scummos_ | i never heard of "pcfilemanager", btw :D |
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| 21:43.00 | scummos_ | do you want to start "pcmanfm"? |
| 21:43.09 | hramrach | me neither and jorge_ does not really say how it fails |
| 21:43.18 | scummos_ | yeah... |
| 21:43.25 | scummos_ | jorge_: tell us the error message :P |
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| 21:46.31 | Chowder | hi all, I was wondering if I went with a stable Debian release would it still get up to date security patches an whatnot? |
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| 21:47.35 | Tramp | !tell Chowder -about security |
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| 21:47.46 | Tramp | however, probably no "whatnot" |
| 21:48.16 | cwillu_at_work | Is there an easy way to generate a patch from a modification to an apt-get source'd tree? |
| 21:48.37 | lindi- | cwillu_at_work: quilt is one way |
| 21:49.02 | lindi- | cwillu_at_work: but if git is already used by the maintainer you might want to use that |
| 21:49.16 | Chowder | Tramp: the thing is that a friend of my mom's wants me to work on her old laptop which has Windows XP on it. I figured on using Debian since its more lightweight than the *buntu distros. |
| 21:49.33 | Chowder | its got an intel celeron and 256MB of RAM |
| 21:49.51 | cwillu_at_work | lindi-, so whatever tool is being used for debian/patches should do this for me? |
| 21:49.57 | Chowder | this woman is also in her late 60s so I have to make it as easy to use as possible |
| 21:50.08 | lindi- | cwillu_at_work: the package uses debian/patches already? |
| 21:50.28 | cwillu_at_work | yes; I want to get the diff of what I've done in order to move it to a patch in debian/patches |
| 21:50.31 | lindi- | Chowder: just buying faster computer might be a better solution |
| 21:50.59 | cwillu_at_work | lindi-, I prefer actually looking at the source code I'm working with when I'm fixing stuff, rather than modifying a patch :p |
| 21:51.14 | lindi- | Chowder: 256 is very little for even running iceweasel these days |
| 21:51.17 | themill | cwillu_at_work: this can vary from package to package. Look at debian/README.source if such a file exists |
| 21:51.27 | cwillu_at_work | cdbs? |
| 21:51.49 | themill | cwillu_at_work: what package is this? |
| 21:51.59 | cwillu_at_work | compiz-fusion-plugins-main |
| 21:52.17 | cwillu_at_work | the snapping plugin was driving me insane |
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| 21:53.00 | Chowder | lindi-: you're probably right. Idk if I could upgrade the laptop. Its just a shame because it looks brand new. It doesn't even have a scratch on it. |
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| 21:53.12 | lindi- | cwillu_at_work: it has Vcs-Git: git://git.debian.org/git/pkg-xorg/bling/compiz-fusion-plugins-main.git |
| 21:53.24 | Chowder | afaik its been sitting in a box since 2001 |
| 21:53.26 | themill | cwillu_at_work: by the look of it, dropping a new patch in debian/patches and adding it to debian/patches/series should work. http://patch-tracker.debian.org/package/compiz-fusion-plugins-main/0.8.4-2 |
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| 21:53.47 | lindi- | Chowder: still, getting an unexperienced user to use "non-mainstream" software sounds like a bad idea |
| 21:53.59 | cwillu_at_work | themill, the question was how to go from apt-get source -> edit the actual source -> ? -> having a patch to add it to debian/patches |
| 21:54.07 | lindi- | Chowder: unless you absolutely will be there to guide him/her all the time |
| 21:54.29 | lindi- | cwillu_at_work: ah |
| 21:54.30 | themill | cwillu_at_work: since that package looks like it uses quilt, then the best plan is to learn something about quilt and do so. |
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| 21:54.59 | themill | cwillu_at_work: http://wiki.debian.org/UsingQuilt |
| 21:55.06 | cwillu_at_work | themill, looks like it actually uses cdbs (it has no series file), but yes, looks like that's the answer (and now I know what quilt and company actually is for :p) |
| 21:55.12 | Tramp | lindi-: well, I think an elderly person basically needs some sort of "Kiosk" - i.e. a browser coming up, that (s)he will never leave until shutdown |
| 21:55.19 | Chowder | lindi-: yea, I'll teach her how to use it. She's very intelligent and not computer illiterate at all. She'll catch on |
| 21:55.37 | Tramp | lindi-: and IMHO Debian stable would be not a bad choice for such a scenario |
| 21:55.41 | lindi- | Tramp: sure but if the browser is something that doesn't work for many sites its going to be very confusing |
| 21:55.53 | lindi- | Tramp: i'm not arguing about debian stable, i'm arguing about 256M ram |
| 21:56.19 | themill | cwillu_at_work: it build-depends on quilt.... or at least the sid version of the package does |
| 21:56.22 | Tramp | lindi-: sure. I was just adressing your "non-mainstream" point |
| 21:56.51 | hramrach | 256M is enough unless you want to print |
| 21:57.35 | Tramp | and I'd expect (maybe after some fidgeting with Java and/or Flash support) that iceweasel would work fine for almost all sites. |
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| 21:57.46 | Chowder | what about Chromium? |
| 21:57.58 | lindi- | Tramp: but iceweasel surely isn't going to like 256M of ram |
| 21:58.03 | Chowder | or does it do a lot of caching that might slow things down? |
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| 21:58.31 | hramrach | lindi-: it's good unless you open zillions of tabs or somesuch |
| 21:58.31 | Tramp | lindi-: I agree completely with what you said about 256M being (too) low. |
| 21:58.31 | Caelum | with rsync trailing slash means into the directory, and without trailing slash it's to put the directory in the directory, right? |
| 21:58.37 | abrotman | Chowder: Opera ? |
| 21:58.53 | Chowder | abrotman: maybe, i guess i'll just have to test it |
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| 21:59.05 | hramrach | Mozilla used to be about 64M/window and it has improved somewhat since then |
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| 21:59.28 | Caelum | oh it's on the source, never mind |
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| 22:00.10 | lindi- | hramrach: i have 6 tabs open in debian stable's iceweasel now and RSS is already 250M |
| 22:00.18 | hramrach | but yes, other less full-featured browsers would work faster on such underpowered system, undobtedly |
| 22:00.30 | Tramp | Chowder: maybe check, if there is a way to add another 512M to the laptop. |
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| 22:00.46 | Chowder | Tramp: I'd have to check |
| 22:00.47 | Chowder | brb |
| 22:01.16 | hramrach | lindi-: yes but it can shrink if when you are runnig out of ram |
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| 22:02.37 | cwillu_at_work | hramrach, by which you mean a browser that displays in a terminal? :p |
| 22:02.48 | cwillu_at_work | hramrach, because anything gecko or webkit based won't be doing much better |
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| 22:03.46 | hramrach | cwillu_at_work: chrome or what is it is not gecko based, and stuff like midori is *very* limited in features but much lighter |
| 22:04.12 | cwillu_at_work | hramrach, chrome is webkit based, and I stand by what I said |
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| 22:04.46 | cwillu_at_work | a standards compliant rendering is heavy\ |
| 22:04.48 | Caelum | does cp have anything like the rsync --delete option? |
| 22:05.01 | hramrach | the advantage chrome has over Firefox is that it has zero extensibility and resource sharing which prevents leaks |
| 22:05.16 | hramrach | when you want lower resource footprint that is |
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| 22:05.59 | hramrach | s/sharing/isolation |
| 22:06.21 | cwillu_at_work | Caelum, not that I'm aware of |
| 22:06.25 | cristi8 | hi. i have a palm device. if i connect it to the USB port, i get this in dmesg. any ideeas how to access the palm's SD card or internal memory? |
| 22:06.30 | cristi8 | http://codepad.org/FRvT4wDR |
| 22:06.54 | lindi- | Caelum: just use rsync? |
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| 22:08.08 | Caelum | uses rsync |
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| 22:09.20 | jhutchins_lt | Is there a default DVD burning program under debian gnome? |
| 22:09.48 | Chowder | jhutchins: i think brasero is gnome's default |
| 22:09.51 | Chowder | and its very good |
| 22:10.13 | hramrach | unless it crashes :( |
| 22:10.42 | jhutchins_lt | Chowder: What's it under in the menu? |
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| 22:12.07 | Chowder | jhutchins_lt: its should say "cd burner," "brasero," or something like that |
| 22:12.15 | Chowder | its not going to be something cryptic |
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| 22:13.38 | jhutchins_lt | Chowder: That much I can figure out, but I don't have gnome to hunt-and-peck at, trying to help a third party. |
| 22:13.57 | cwillu_at_work | Chowder, "brasero" is something cryptic if you don't know that name already :p |
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| 22:14.09 | jhutchins_lt | Chowder: If the guy just downloads an iso and double-clicks it that should bring up a burner. |
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| 22:14.34 | jof | So I'm trying to build a debian package from source and tweak some of the files it's installing |
| 22:14.47 | jhutchins_lt | cwillu_at_work: Google will give you "brassero", but figuring what installed by default and where it ended up in the menu on Debian is harder. |
| 22:15.06 | jof | And I believe there's a file in the debian/ directory called "[packagename].install" that's including something I'd like it to ignore |
| 22:15.22 | cwillu_at_work | jof, what are you trying to do exactly? |
| 22:15.30 | jof | Is this ".install" file something standard-ish, or ring any bells? |
| 22:15.47 | jof | cwillu_at_work, get the "nsca" package to not place its config when installed into /etc/nsca.cfg |
| 22:15.54 | jof | But instead nsca.cfg.dist |
| 22:16.21 | cwillu_at_work | jof, dpkg-divert would do the job if you don't want to worry about clobbering that file |
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| 22:16.32 | cwillu_at_work | that way you don't need to hack up the source file, and can still get updates and such |
| 22:16.43 | jof | ooh, ok |
| 22:16.55 | jof | Yeah, I was considering some hook to just modify the staged install tree |
| 22:17.45 | jof | dpkg-divert doesn't quite seem like what I'm looking for |
| 22:17.45 | cwillu_at_work | jof, dpkg-divert --rename /etc/nsca.cfg should do what you need then |
| 22:17.58 | jof | I'd like to modify the building of the package |
| 22:18.13 | jof | I have an internal APT repo I'm making this for |
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| 22:18.58 | jof | And I would need to run that command on hundreds of hosts |
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| 22:20.11 | cwillu_at_work | okay |
| 22:20.23 | cwillu_at_work | better option then would be to make a new package that performs that diversion |
| 22:20.59 | cwillu_at_work | i.e., rather than having to maintain your own version of that package with updates |
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| 22:21.59 | cwillu_at_work | I mean, you could certainly modify the package and rebuild it, but it seems like this would be less burden over the long-term |
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| 22:24.31 | cwillu_at_work | jof, might investigate config-package-dev |
| 22:25.16 | cwillu_at_work | or dpsyco |
| 22:25.34 | cwillu_at_work | (which is actually the one I was thinking of originally) |
| 22:25.36 | jof | I'm fine with integrating changes to the package going forward |
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| 22:29.43 | corpcomp | I can't seem to find/understand something. When setting up an installation for vmware should I be using LVM or not? |
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| 22:30.15 | wols | LVM has nothing to do with VMWare |
| 22:30.21 | corpcomp | ty |
| 22:31.29 | acct1 | Hi all, I seem to have "frozen" my /usr/bin subdirectory...even though I'm root I can't add files or delete files. any ideas appreciated. |
| 22:31.48 | jof | corpcomp, I'm not too familiar with VMWare, but it may be using LVM to dynamically create volumes for its guests |
| 22:31.52 | jof | Is it asking for a VG? |
| 22:32.38 | jof | acct1, is your filesystem mounted read-only somehow? "cat /proc/mounts" and look for the "ro" flag |
| 22:33.16 | acct1 | jof, my file system is fine...all other subdirectories are ok. and this one was ok.... till i screwed it up somehow. |
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| 22:33.48 | jof | acct1, is any error printed when you try and touch a file? |
| 22:34.00 | jof | Maybe the directory is marked immutable in your fs? |
| 22:34.02 | acct1 | yes mostly "permission denied" |
| 22:34.25 | acct1 | jof ... maybe it is now immutable. where could i check that? |
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| 22:34.36 | jof | lsattr /path/to/file |
| 22:35.10 | jof | maybe permission is really denied? chmod u+w /path/to/file |
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| 22:36.24 | acct1 | jof attributes coming back ----ia-------------- for all files. |
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| 22:37.35 | acct1 | jof chmod u+w /usr/bin came back "Operation not permitted" |
| 22:37.50 | jof | that i flag means immutable, I believe |
| 22:38.13 | acct1 | could be... i'll try that on another subdirectory. |
| 22:38.41 | jof | acct1, "find /usr/bin -maxdepth 1 -exec chattr -i {} \;" |
| 22:39.46 | befghh | I tried to upgrade openoffice on debian, so what I did was adding "deb http://www.backports.org/debian lenny-backports main contrib non-free" to source-list, installed the key and then the commands aptitude update and upgrade |
| 22:40.36 | jhutchins_lt | befghh: Please read the docs on the backports web page that tell you how to use it. |
| 22:40.39 | befghh | and the result was that gnome was removed.... So I wonder what I did wrong? |
| 22:40.55 | acct1 | jof that command came back with an empty line. |
| 22:41.23 | befghh | okej so it removed particullary all my packages? |
| 22:41.28 | jof | acct1, that command should remove the immutable flag on all first-level deep files in /usr/bin |
| 22:41.39 | acct1 | ok ok... let me check |
| 22:41.40 | jof | lsattr again, and see if it fixed it? |
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| 22:42.16 | hramrach | befghh: it should ask before removing packages unless you configured something in an interesting way |
| 22:42.26 | hramrach | so it was you who removed the packages |
| 22:42.27 | acct1 | jof... you're a wizard... the i is gone. |
| 22:42.42 | acct1 | i guess my whole file system is immutable now though. |
| 22:42.54 | jof | acct1, oh noes! I wonder how that came to be... |
| 22:42.59 | jof | That's rather unusual |
| 22:43.13 | befghh | hramrach: I probably answered yes, but wonder why gnome and a lot of other packages where removed |
| 22:43.17 | jof | but you could adapt that find command to run from / and run "chattr -i" on every file :) |
| 22:43.27 | jof | "find / -exec chattr -i {} \;" |
| 22:43.32 | hramrach | befghh: because the resolver in aptitude sucks |
| 22:43.41 | acct1 | yes... i just tried to create file in usr/bin but ...permission denied again. |
| 22:43.50 | befghh | okej |
| 22:44.07 | befghh | I had to install gnome over again |
| 22:44.36 | acct1 | jof so immutable is something separate from the regular file attributes? I wonder how that got set? |
| 22:44.52 | befghh | I learned that aptitude + commands are not a good tool to use unless you really know what you are doing! |
| 22:44.55 | jof | acct1, yes, it's a flag that can be set in your ext filesystem |
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| 22:45.36 | jof | acct1, the man page for "chattr" has all the goods on what does what |
| 22:45.39 | hramrach | befghh: it's the case with any command you invoke |
| 22:45.43 | themill | befghh, hramrach: the frequent changes to the openoffice packages and the quite complex conflicts that they declare make it pretty hard to upgrade them cleanly. |
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| 22:46.16 | acct1 | jof...ok i'll check that and see if i can make some headway....so far though looks like its still frozen...even without the 'i' |
| 22:46.29 | hramrach | themill: for me aptitude often offers to upgrade/downgrade/remove unrelated packages so yes, the resolver sucks |
| 22:46.38 | jof | cwillu_at_work, the answer I was looking for earlier was "dh_install", that uses that file to install things outside of the normal Makefile process |
| 22:47.16 | hramrach | it might be that deep down some of the conflicting packages is tangentially related but half the packages in solutions are often unrelated to the conflict in question |
| 22:47.48 | befghh | I'll try to resolve that issue with openoffice 3 and backports sources later |
| 22:48.03 | hramrach | or to put it in a different way aptitude does not minimize the solution, just changes some random packages |
| 22:48.15 | befghh | will spend time on using my actually working system tonight :D |
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| 22:56.23 | tsocra | I am trying to install a new MTA I have in .deb form using dpkg -i but it says: |
| 22:56.25 | tsocra | citadel-mta conflicts with mail-transport-agent |
| 22:56.26 | tsocra | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:57.00 | tsocra | I need this specific version of citadel-mta though, it's not in the repositories. But if I try an uninstall exim4 completely, a bunch of other things get broken/removed. |
| 22:57.58 | hramrach | tsocra: it's because you cannot have more than one mta |
| 22:58.15 | hramrach | just use --auto-deconfigure or whatnot |
| 22:58.15 | tsocra | hramrach: Okay that is fine... |
| 22:58.24 | jhutchins_lt | tsocra: I think what you're encountering may be that citadel-mta doesn't satisfy the MTA requirements for the other packages, although perhaps it should. |
| 22:58.28 | tsocra | But how can I uninstall exim4 and then install this .deb in one step |
| 22:59.03 | hramrach | tsocra: --auto-deconfigure |
| 22:59.08 | tsocra | jhutchins_lt: I think what I might be experiencing is that citadel-mta is in a .deb file so I am using dpkg to handle it which isn't intelligently handling dependencies? |
| 22:59.13 | jhutchins_lt | tsocra: like using aptitude, right? |
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| 22:59.32 | jhutchins_lt | hramrach: How does one use that option? |
| 22:59.32 | tsocra | aptitude does not see the version of citadel-mta I am trying to install because it is in a .deb |
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| 23:00.07 | hramrach | jhutchins_lt: with dpkg. YOu cannot use aptitude on lone .debs |
| 23:00.29 | jhutchins_lt | hramrach: What's the syntax for using it with dpkg? |
| 23:00.40 | tsocra | jhutchins_lt: I don't understand what to use it on |
| 23:01.10 | tsocra | In fact I don't even see that option for dpkg in the man page |
| 23:01.28 | jhutchins_lt | tsocra: Is there a different version of citadel in the current repos? |
| 23:01.30 | hramrach | jhutchins_lt: dpkg -i --auto-deconfigure |
| 23:01.38 | tsocra | jhutchins_lt: Yes |
| 23:02.14 | tsocra | When a package is removed, there is a possibility that another installed package depended on the removed package. Specifying this option will cause automatic deconfiguration of the |
| 23:02.14 | tsocra | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:02.31 | jhutchins_lt | tsocra: I think what I'd do is install the official package with aptitude, which should correctly hand over the dependencies, then upgrade it with the downloaded package. |
| 23:02.33 | tsocra | I don't understand how this would help me. If I run dpkg -i --auto-reconfigure on the .deb file... |
| 23:02.45 | tsocra | jhutchins_lt: It is a downgrade. |
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| 23:03.36 | hramrach | tsocra: you are using a different option |
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| 23:06.19 | Caelum | if I'm going to do bootable software raid, I need to make an ext3 /boot partition right? |
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| 23:08.21 | befghh | !help |
| 23:08.57 | hramrach | well, some mirrors are also readable, and grub2 might be able to read raid but a plain /boot is highly recommended |
| 23:09.39 | abrotman | befghh: stop that |
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| 23:11.06 | RichiH | !help |
| 23:11.10 | jhutchins_lt | Caelum: lilo can boot to most raid arrays directly. |
| 23:12.21 | abrotman | RichiH: didn't do it for you .. time limit ? |
| 23:12.37 | RichiH | abrotman: no, tomaw disabled it |
| 23:12.41 | Caelum | jhutchins_lt: neat |
| 23:13.06 | hramrach | but dealing with lilo is not that neat |
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| 23:13.35 | abrotman | RichiH: in the last 30 seconds? |
| 23:13.54 | tomaw | yes |
| 23:14.01 | RichiH | abrotman: in the last four minutes |
| 23:14.10 | RichiH | five |
| 23:14.14 | tomaw | well that. in enough time for it to be useful. |
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| 23:14.57 | abrotman | okay |
| 23:15.25 | jhutchins_lt | hramrach: lilo has a lot of fud associated with it, I actually prefer it to grub. |
| 23:15.40 | newsense | hey isn't there a debian kde4 or debian kde channel here on freenode ? |
| 23:15.59 | abrotman | newsense: not anymore .. #debian-kde on irc.oftc.net |
| 23:16.08 | hramrach | jhutchins_lt: well, lilo reads blocks, some otehr bootloaders read files. pick what you like |
| 23:16.14 | newsense | dam i wanna get rid of neopuk |
| 23:16.24 | newsense | nepomuk* |
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| 23:18.32 | hramrach | jhutchins_lt: If I wanted the simplicity I would probably choose extlinux over lilo |
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| 23:19.10 | dotCOMmie | I just did an upgrade and during it bluetooth was stopped which resulted in the disconnection of my bluetooth keyboard. Could this not land a user in trouble? If for example upgrade requires user interaction? |
| 23:19.55 | dotCOMmie | not quite sure if I should file that as a bug |
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| 23:20.10 | SerajewelKS | dotCOMmie: perhaps file a bug against the package asking them to defer the restart until the package is configured |
| 23:20.59 | jhutchins_lt | dotCOMmie: There comes a point where you really can't expect the packagers to think of all the dumb things people could do and cover for them. |
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| 23:21.25 | jhutchins_lt | dotCOMmie: Loosing bluetooth during an OS upgrade seems to be a pretty reasonable assumption. |
| 23:21.43 | dondelelcaro | jhutchins_lt: it shouldn't need to be lost... |
| 23:21.49 | SerajewelKS | jhutchins_lt: i can see the argument going both ways... it should be a simple packaging change anyway |
| 23:22.11 | dondelelcaro | jhutchins_lt: it's definetly a bug, it's just not one that I'm terribly surprised to see |
| 23:22.16 | jhutchins_lt | I mean, you don't flash your BIOS without the power connector plugged in. |
| 23:22.28 | SerajewelKS | dotCOMmie: the packagers probably just didn't think about it. filing a bug will tell them about it though. :) |
| 23:22.45 | dotCOMmie | jhutchins_lt: thats why many things warn you to leave the power plugged in, in thise case its does not |
| 23:22.46 | SerajewelKS | jhutchins_lt: that's slightly an apples-and-oranges comparizon |
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| 23:23.46 | SerajewelKS | users see bluetooth devices as devices and expect them to behave as such. the difference is that most other devices are driven by a kernel module and not a userspace service. |
| 23:24.04 | SerajewelKS | this distinction makes sense in terms of architecture, but users won't likely see the difference |
| 23:24.26 | jhutchins_lt | When you're doing system level upgrades it seems reasonable to expect you to use hardwired connections. |
| 23:24.36 | dotCOMmie | I will file the bug, thank you for your opinions. I was on the fence myself |
| 23:24.38 | jhutchins_lt | Not rely on esoteric toys. |
| 23:25.15 | SerajewelKS | jhutchins_lt: it also seems reasonable to a user that their keyboard won't crap out when, say, X doesn't |
| 23:25.18 | dotCOMmie | jhutchins_lt: to some extent yes, but why make the users life more complicated. I dont think that is the goal of debian. |
| 23:25.50 | jhutchins_lt | I'm surprized more people don't get "gotcha'd" when they do system upgrades over wifi. |
| 23:26.02 | SerajewelKS | jhutchins_lt: you are? i'm not. |
| 23:26.08 | SerajewelKS | jhutchins_lt: the packages get downloaded first, then installed |
| 23:26.18 | dotCOMmie | jhutchins_lt: I've never had that issue.. although I run self compiled vanilla kernels |
| 23:26.42 | SerajewelKS | jhutchins_lt: even if dbus/network-manager goes down during the upgrade (it routinely does for me) it's after everything has been downloaded. so when the services are restarted post-upgrade everything works again. |
| 23:26.52 | dotCOMmie | I don't think debian forcibly reloads modules, does it? |
| 23:27.12 | SerajewelKS | dotCOMmie: i don't think any linux forcibly reloads modules |
| 23:27.32 | jhutchins_lt | We do occasionally see systems that can't bring the wifi up after the upgrade, that's the kind of thing I mean. |
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| 23:28.15 | dotCOMmie | Actually similarly I've noticed apache is brough down quite early in upgrade process and brought back up quite late |
| 23:28.19 | jhutchins_lt | I guess the thing that I noticed was that bluetooth keyboards aren't all that common yet, so I'm not surprized. |
| 23:29.01 | SerajewelKS | most wireless keyboards i see have usb receiver dongles |
| 23:29.36 | dotCOMmie | jhutchins_lt: right, for me it was not an issue as I had physical laptop keyboard .. but I figure someone can get into trouble and have to reboot the machine if they do not have an alternative keyboard readily available |
| 23:29.40 | SerajewelKS | bluetooth is one of those things that's neat in theory, but nobody really uses except for cell phone earpieces |
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| 23:30.06 | hramrach | bluetooth sucks for keyboards on Windows as well |
| 23:30.06 | SerajewelKS | dotCOMmie: they could always use a mouse with dasher :) |
| 23:30.18 | hramrach | but it probably works on OS X so people might expect it |
| 23:30.28 | SerajewelKS | oh and wii remotes, that's the other big use for bluetooth |
| 23:30.36 | dotCOMmie | hramrach: works quite well on linux actually, I was plesantly surprised |
| 23:30.59 | hramrach | well, unless you upgrade |
| 23:31.15 | dotCOMmie | hramrach: d: not for long hopefully |
| 23:32.18 | hramrach | the thing is you need not forcibly unload modules. Unlaoding parts of firewire stack used to disconnect all firewire devices although the module was not marked in use |
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| 23:32.48 | hramrach | if you unload and reload a wifi card driver it won't be possible to put it into a bridge anymore |
| 23:32.49 | flaccid | i've got a .deb package and i'm on os x for desktop. i want to look at the contents of the package and its scripts, recommended method? |
| 23:33.16 | DogBoy | ar -x blah.deb |
| 23:33.24 | hramrach | flaccid: there might be cpio |
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| 23:33.45 | hramrach | flaccid: and if you want to do that more often there is fink |
| 23:33.52 | jhutchins_lt | dotCOMmie: What does it use for power? |
| 23:34.12 | dotCOMmie | jhutchins_lt: the keyboard? 2 AA batteries |
| 23:34.20 | flaccid | i got ar and cpio. not sure how i would use fink - i don't want to install it but rather see what it installs and does |
| 23:34.41 | hramrach | which last so long that you are surprised when you cannot type on day |
| 23:35.02 | jhutchins_lt | dotCOMmie: Do they last pretty well? |
| 23:35.06 | dotCOMmie | I have not changed the battery yet. I've had it for 1.5 months |
| 23:35.21 | dotCOMmie | The BT spec on power consumption for HID devices is quite agressive |
| 23:35.23 | hramrach | flaccid: fink uses dpkg so you could use the standard tools for examining packages |
| 23:35.44 | dotCOMmie | There are guidelines for power consumtion and minimum life time recomendations. |
| 23:35.54 | flaccid | hramrach: oh sweet, let me see if they are installed |
| 23:36.19 | flaccid | hmm must need to reinstall fink to get dpkg. its gone for some reason.. |
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| 23:36.30 | hramrach | yes, decent keyboards last like a year or at least a half |
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| 23:37.07 | dotCOMmie | sorry I lied. 2 AAA batteries |
| 23:37.14 | hramrach | flaccid: it may just be that you do not have /sw/bin in your path |
| 23:37.29 | hramrach | or whereever you installed fink |
| 23:37.41 | flaccid | ah true /sw/bin/dpkg exists |
| 23:37.52 | flaccid | heh /sw heh |
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| 23:50.31 | gnat_x | so lately (as of upgrading to squeeze) i've been having this issue where my machine overheats whenever it starts doing cpu intensive stuff. most often its flash (which is what i figured it was), but it also did it while generating a gpg key, and a few other higher load things. |
| 23:50.39 | gnat_x | i haven't found anything instructive in the logs. |
| 23:50.51 | gnat_x | but might be looking in the wrong places, |
| 23:51.39 | gnat_x | that's generally my question. what tree do i bark up to even begin tracking it down. i think its the kernel, but if i can't get anything logged -- i'm not sure. |
| 23:51.43 | dotCOMmie | gnat_x: check if CPU is entering protective state |
| 23:52.22 | gnat_x | dotCOMmie: how do i do that? |
| 23:52.25 | abrotman | gnat_x: shuldn't your CPU fan go faster? |
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| 23:52.54 | dotCOMmie | gnat_x: check the frequency of cpu with cpufreqinfo or something similar |
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| 23:53.29 | Bushmills | gnat_x: you may have BIOS fan settings of "full", "silent" etc. better make sure it is not set to "silent" |
| 23:54.14 | Bushmills | and if you BIOS doesn't regulate CPU fan, the lmsensors package has a script to regulate fan according temperature |
| 23:54.33 | dotCOMmie | also install and enable cpu governors |
| 23:54.50 | gnat_x | Bushmills: its a thinkpad so its acpi package might be invovled as well now that i think about it. |
| 23:55.24 | dotCOMmie | gnat_x: friend of mine had similar issues with thinkpad |
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| 23:57.08 | gnat_x | yeah i've had two weird issues since switching to squeeze, this is one. |
| 23:58.08 | dotCOMmie | gnat_x: try increasing the temperature and see if clock drops and fan increases. If not play with cpufreq and ACPI |
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