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| 00:01.39 | xenol | i am running lenny and i need kvm ( i needed to compile newer kernel because the default kernel won't work). there is problem with libvirt version 0.500.2 with ERROR 'disknode' or self.target must be set! |
| 00:01.47 | xenol | any ideas how to solve that damn thing? |
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| 00:15.43 | FunctorSalad | is there some way to force re-comparison of a stock conffile and your current one? |
| 00:15.53 | FunctorSalad | aptitude reinstall doesn't, apparently |
| 00:16.06 | abrotman | do you just want the new conf file? |
| 00:16.18 | abrotman | usually it will save a copy of the maintainer file in the same directory |
| 00:16.34 | FunctorSalad | it'd be enough if it created the .dpkg-dist, then you could manually diff, sure |
| 00:16.53 | FunctorSalad | oh, it always does this? |
| 00:17.34 | FunctorSalad | (btw, it can be done with aptitude download $x; dpkg -x $x /tmp |
| 00:17.35 | FunctorSalad | ) |
| 00:17.41 | FunctorSalad | but thought it may be easier ;) |
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| 00:19.17 | FunctorSalad | hmm, I could just put those into a script ;) |
| 00:19.31 | FunctorSalad | and delete everything but /tmp/etc I suppose |
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| 00:21.16 | abrotman | not always .. depends on the package in questoin and the file |
| 00:21.23 | gio | hello |
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| 00:23.26 | FunctorSalad | abrotman: maybe the reason most .dpkg-dist files are absent is that they only get created if you choose "keep my current version" when ucf asks you, but they don't get created if you modify the file, and the maintainer version hasn't yet changed, so there was no new ucf question... |
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| 00:24.22 | tjader | Hi. I accidentally ran "mount /dev" as root, now the udev filesystem appears to be mounted twice, and initctl is the only file under /dev. Is there any way to fix this without a reboot? |
| 00:24.25 | themill | FunctorSalad: you may want to look in /var/lib/ucf/cache/ |
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| 00:26.12 | themill | (.dpkg-dist would be for conffile handling too, not non-conffile handling for which ucf is used) |
| 00:26.16 | Wyzard | tjader: Can you "umount /dev" ? |
| 00:26.16 | FunctorSalad | themill: that has a few files :) but I don't think I've changed that few |
| 00:26.36 | oreo | Hey! Could someone give me a few tips to configure Debian Lenny so less memory is used? Right now it has ssh, cron, monit and bind9.7, and it's eating up 128MB or RAM. What gives? |
| 00:26.47 | FunctorSalad | themill: it isn't all ucf? I must have read carelessly |
| 00:27.02 | Wyzard | tjader: If necessary, you can create new nodes in the new /dev using the mknod command |
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| 00:27.32 | Wyzard | tjader: You wouldn't want to try to create all of them by hand, of course, but you can create whatever key device files are needef (if any) for umount to work |
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| 00:28.31 | tjader | Wyzard, umounting doesn't work, it says the device is busy |
| 00:28.42 | Wyzard | tjader: fuser -m /dev |
| 00:29.06 | FunctorSalad | (I assumed these "conffiles" are what is under ucf control, but it seems you are saying they're disjoint systems) |
| 00:29.25 | tjader | It says: /dev: 1 |
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| 00:29.38 | Wyzard | tjader: You may also be able to "mount --move" it to a different directory to expose the real /dev without actually unmounting the bogus one (yet) |
| 00:30.00 | gio | hello |
| 00:30.04 | gio | :)) |
| 00:30.13 | Wyzard | tjader: That sounds like init has the initctl socket open |
| 00:30.49 | Wyzard | tjader: which I wouldn't have expected, unless something has caused it to close and reopen its socket after the bogus /dev was mounted |
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| 00:31.54 | tjader | Wyzard, moving the mount worked, thanks |
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| 00:32.23 | Wyzard | tjader: If that's the case, though, you should be able to "mount --move" the bogus /dev elsewhere, then "kill -USR1 1" to make init close the socket on the bogus moved /dev and open the correct one |
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| 00:32.41 | Wyzard | tjader: and then you can unmount the bogus /dev |
| 00:33.07 | tjader | I didn't have to tell init to close it, just unmounting it worked |
| 00:33.38 | Wyzard | hmm, maybe it watches for mount/unmount events and reopens the socket automatically |
| 00:33.54 | Wyzard | You were able to unmount the bogus filesystem after moving it off /dev? |
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| 00:34.43 | chut | hi people |
| 00:34.45 | chut | i got this warning |
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| 00:35.12 | chut | udevd[545]: SYSFS{}= will be removed in a future udev version, please use ATTR{}= to match the event device, or ATTRS{}= to match a parent device, in /etc/udev/rules.d/025_logitechmouse.rules:15 |
| 00:35.18 | chut | i got this warning at boot |
| 00:35.22 | chut | can i remove this rules? |
| 00:36.13 | Wyzard | chut: You should "dpkg -S /etc/udev/rules.d/025_logitechmouse.rules" to find out what package that file is from, and file a bug against the package to have it fixed |
| 00:36.31 | Wyzard | but don't just delete the file, or you'll lose the benefit of whatever it does |
| 00:36.38 | chut | dpkg: /etc/udev/rules.d/025_logitechmouse.rules not found. |
| 00:36.38 | dpkg | chut: are you using Windows? |
| 00:36.47 | FunctorSalad | (or find out that it's a leftover file from a package you have long uninstalled :)) |
| 00:36.48 | chut | nope |
| 00:36.58 | chut | oh wait |
| 00:37.01 | FunctorSalad | (which is another likely reason for it not having been fixed) |
| 00:37.02 | chut | dpkg lol |
| 00:37.02 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
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| 00:37.44 | tjader | Wyzard: yes, "mount --move /dev /tmp/a; umount /tmp/a" worked |
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| 00:38.51 | Wyzard | chut: Is it really called "025_logitechmouse.rules"? I have a similar issue with a file called "025_lomoco.rules", from the "lomoco" package, which is short for "Logitech mouse control" |
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| 00:39.08 | chut | /etc/udev/rules.d/025_logitechmouse.rules |
| 00:39.08 | chut | bash: /etc/udev/rules.d/025_logitechmouse.rules: Permission denied |
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| 00:39.12 | chut | yes |
| 00:39.18 | chut | the file is there |
| 00:39.43 | Wyzard | chut: and it looks like the symlink in rules.d doesn't show up in a package file search anyway; it must be created by the postinst script or something |
| 00:39.57 | chut | oh |
| 00:40.01 | chut | how do i fix it Wyzard |
| 00:40.03 | Wyzard | chut: but if you look at what it points to, and run "dpkg -S" on *that*, it should turn up a package |
| 00:40.17 | chut | nope it says something file not found |
| 00:40.24 | Wyzard | What command says that? |
| 00:40.51 | chut | dpkg -S /etc/udev/rules.d/025_logitechmouse.rules |
| 00:40.51 | chut | dpkg: /etc/udev/rules.d/025_logitechmouse.rules not found. |
| 00:40.51 | dpkg | Badgers ate my /etc/udev/rules.d/025_logitechmouse.rules! |
| 00:40.52 | dpkg | chut: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 00:41.15 | Wyzard | chut: ls -l /etc/udev/rules.d/025_logitechmouse.rules |
| 00:41.22 | Wyzard | chut: What does the link point to? |
| 00:41.33 | chut | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 22 Mar 15 13:56 /etc/udev/rules.d/025_logitechmouse.rules -> ../logitechmouse.rules |
| 00:41.52 | Wyzard | chut: dpkg -S /etc/udev/logitechmouse.rules |
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| 00:42.29 | chut | kcontrol: /etc/udev/logitechmouse.rules |
| 00:43.32 | Wyzard | chut: Look up the open bug reports for that package: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?package=kcontrol |
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| 00:43.46 | Wyzard | chut: Looks like there's already one describing this problem under the "resolved" heading |
| 00:44.37 | Wyzard | chut: Sounds like it's been fixed in unstable |
| 00:44.45 | chut | oh |
| 00:44.50 | chut | i'm using testing |
| 00:44.57 | chut | let me replace the string |
| 00:45.01 | Wyzard | so you'll get the fix eventually when it propagates |
| 00:45.05 | Wyzard | For now, though, it's harmless |
| 00:45.13 | Wyzard | I'd leave it as it is |
| 00:45.22 | chut | i change SYSFS to ATTR |
| 00:45.58 | Wyzard | Making manual changes to files belonging to packages, that aren't meant for customization, isn't a good idea unless there's a good reason |
| 00:46.11 | Wyzard | and I wouldn't consider a harmless warning message, that's been fixed in unstable already, to be a good reason |
| 00:46.26 | chut | oh |
| 00:46.36 | chut | thanks Wyzard :) |
| 00:49.11 | chut | let me restart |
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| 01:16.55 | MoMo | yo |
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| 01:30.03 | catfive_ | so i was in a presentation today where 40 people hit my debian-based wordpress site and totally trashed the server |
| 01:30.21 | catfive_ | how the heck do i piece together what happened? |
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| 01:31.32 | catfive_ | it's a vm, but my admin says the hardware and network were up the whole time, the procs just spiked |
| 01:33.15 | abrotman | you could try sometihng like ab/ab2 to try the same thing |
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| 01:34.15 | catfive_ | the weird thing was, once the box was bounced, it handled about 30+ people no problem |
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| 01:35.35 | spaceace | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:35.40 | spaceace | hi guys |
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| 01:36.48 | spaceace | I've got a 2TB drive that's purely for storing thousands of directories full of PDF documents roughly 1mb each. Will ext3 be fine? |
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| 01:39.29 | barraponto | is there software for mounting isos? |
| 01:39.46 | abrotman | yes .. |
| 01:39.59 | abrotman | !mount iso |
| 01:39.59 | dpkg | iso mount is probably mount -t iso9660 -o loop <path_to_iso> <mount_point> |
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| 01:40.15 | barraponto | abrotman: graphical? |
| 01:40.27 | abrotman | NFC .. i have no idea which GUI you have |
| 01:40.35 | abrotman | if you want specific stuff, ask a specific question |
| 01:40.43 | barraponto | abrotman: i see there is acetoneiso but only in sid... |
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| 01:41.16 | abrotman | still not specifi c |
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| 01:58.41 | z3r0-c001 | everyone seems to the that ubuntu is the rage but it comes from debian right |
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| 01:59.20 | z3r0-c001 | is debian enferior or superior to ubuntu |
| 01:59.50 | flaccid | is the pope jewish? |
| 02:00.00 | z3r0-c001 | im deciding wich to use |
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| 02:03.59 | SerajewelKS | i don't suppose anyone knows of a system that can effectively synchronize windows mobile device contacts with an ldap server... |
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| 02:06.12 | Appetite | I just installed debian on another machine, install openssh-server, and i can't sftp.. shouldn't that be able to be done automatically with ssh installed? |
| 02:06.24 | Appetite | the connection gets reset by peer |
| 02:06.52 | SerajewelKS | Appetite: can you ssh? |
| 02:07.04 | Appetite | SerajewelKS: yeah, i am right now |
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| 02:07.32 | SerajewelKS | Appetite: all i can suggest is to check your settings. it should work, yes. |
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| 02:07.49 | Appetite | SerajewelKS: what setting specifically? |
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| 02:09.40 | Appetite | It says "Protocol 2" in /etc/ssh/sshd_config SerajewelKS, should it be 2? |
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| 02:10.40 | Appetite | and the subsystem sftp line exists |
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| 02:14.40 | abrotman | Appetite: is the sftp subsystem enabled ? |
| 02:14.54 | Appetite | abrotman: should be, but how do i know for sure? |
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| 02:15.47 | abrotman | Appetite: man sshd_config .. there are bits about sftp |
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| 02:17.29 | Appetite | Subsystem sftp /usr/lib/openssh/sftp-server |
| 02:17.34 | Appetite | should that be internal-sftp? |
| 02:17.50 | anisfarhana | anyone can help me compiling bnc with ssl on debian ? |
| 02:18.19 | ry | Appetite, are you by any chance trying to chroot sshd users? |
| 02:18.36 | Appetite | ry: this is a fresh install just a few minutes old, unless it does it by default, nope |
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| 02:18.57 | ry | cool... i'm actually working on a fresh install myself... coming from fbsd |
| 02:19.36 | wols | anisfarhana: ask specific questions |
| 02:19.40 | SerajewelKS | simonrvn: ok i found a downside to this mess... can't really sync with windows mobile that well... |
| 02:19.47 | epsilon | Appetite: sftp should work with the default install in debian - you get any specific error message? |
| 02:20.02 | anisfarhana | wols: i want to compile bnc with ssl supports |
| 02:20.02 | acu | can anyone help me make a virtual machine generated by kvm-qemu to have its own IP address (either static or DHCPC generated? |
| 02:20.33 | Appetite | ephcon: read: connection reset by peer when i try to use sftp (ssh works fine) |
| 02:21.04 | epsilon | Appetite: is there any log in syslog if you try to connect? |
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| 02:21.35 | Appetite | where is that located? |
| 02:21.37 | Appetite | can't remember = |
| 02:21.40 | epsilon | sure you are connecting with ssh-ftp and not ftp-tls? |
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| 02:22.11 | Appetite | it's ssh-ftp, i'm using gFTP and have selected SSH2 in the protocol |
| 02:22.19 | wols | anisfarhana: a repeat isn't specific.... /msg dpkg helponirc |
| 02:22.41 | wols | Appetite: /var/log |
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| 02:22.56 | epsilon | ./var/log/auth.log |
| 02:23.00 | OldParr | can i run debian in a machine with 48 MB of ram ? |
| 02:23.10 | anisfarhana | wols: ok then , i have no idea how to describe it anymore , i just need bnc with ssl support , that is the best 'specified' i can tell you sir , if i know more specified , i won't bother ask |
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| 02:23.18 | epsilon | OldParr: with minimal install, yes |
| 02:23.56 | wols | anisfarhana: maybe at least TRY to start compiling your bnc first before asking questions? |
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| 02:24.13 | wols | anisfarhana: and if you want help, stop that stupid "sir" shit |
| 02:24.16 | epsilon | minimal means no X, just shell stuff and no big tasks |
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| 02:24.25 | anisfarhana | wols: i have done it , compiling bnc , but not support ssl |
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| 02:24.33 | OldParr | epsilon: can i run gnome with 48 MB? |
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| 02:24.39 | anisfarhana | wols: i'm looking at znc now |
| 02:24.40 | wols | OldParr: no |
| 02:24.41 | Appetite | no errors epsilon, just "session opened, session closed" |
| 02:24.43 | epsilon | OldParr: nope. |
| 02:24.58 | wols | OldParr: google "puppy linux" or "damn small linux" |
| 02:24.59 | SerajewelKS | OldParr: with a sizable swap volume probably, but the performance would suck major ass |
| 02:25.10 | chrikia | .login 0102 |
| 02:27.14 | epsilon | Appetite: ok, so you are connecting with correct protocoll... is there a line "Accepted password for ... from ..." in auth.log if you connect? |
| 02:27.30 | OldParr | is there any live CD of DEBian? |
| 02:27.45 | abrotman | yes |
| 02:28.02 | Appetite | epsilon: i will check, hold on |
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| 02:28.12 | dbbolton | there's an alioth page devoted to that |
| 02:28.19 | OldParr | abrotman: i do not see any here http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/installer-i386/current/images/cdrom/ ? |
| 02:28.38 | abrotman | why would it be there? |
| 02:28.43 | abrotman | !tell OldParr about livecd |
| 02:28.48 | dbbolton | OldParr: http://live.debian.net/ |
| 02:28.50 | epsilon | OldParr: what are you actually trying to do? |
| 02:29.18 | wols | anisfarhana: maybe look into irssi |
| 02:29.31 | anisfarhana | wols: i guess irssi is irc-client , right ? |
| 02:29.58 | epsilon | anisfarhana: do you have any specific requirement for the irc-bouncer? |
| 02:30.15 | wols | anisfarhana: more than that |
| 02:30.37 | anisfarhana | wols: i'm using xchat here , i need something like bnc to connect |
| 02:30.56 | wols | yes. as I said: irssi is more than a irc client |
| 02:30.59 | epsilon | anisfarhana: which irc-network? |
| 02:31.12 | anisfarhana | epsilon: no specified requirement , my current bnc didn't support SSL , so i try to find one that support SSL |
| 02:31.19 | OldParr | epsilon: abrotman: i am triying to make run debian and gnome in a machine without hard disk and 48 MB of RAM ..... |
| 02:31.19 | Appetite | epsilon: yeah, the accepted password line is there |
| 02:31.20 | anisfarhana | epsilon: freenode and dalnet |
| 02:31.44 | anisfarhana | wols: you are so fierce , did you eat tiger today ? |
| 02:31.45 | abrotman | OldParr: good luck .. enjoy the pain |
| 02:32.33 | epsilon | OldParr: forget running any X, you will have no fun. If you're lucky, you may have success with fvwm |
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| 02:32.58 | anisfarhana | epsilon: why asking which irc-network ? |
| 02:33.21 | Appetite | epsilon: so if it is accepting the password, what's happening now O.o? |
| 02:33.24 | wols | cause it was never clear if you need ssl support for the server connection or the client one |
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| 02:33.36 | OldParr | abrotman: i think is better Damn Small linux or Tinylinux, which one is better? |
| 02:33.51 | wols | OldParr: this is #debian... |
| 02:33.55 | abrotman | ask them, or ##linux .. this channel is for Debian |
| 02:34.11 | epsilon | anisfarhana: I'mworking with several bncs, cause I experienced some glitches and incompatibility/bugs in combinaton of some bnc <-> irc-network |
| 02:35.03 | epsilon | Appetite: can it be the gFTP? I never made good experience with that "client" |
| 02:35.21 | anisfarhana | epsilon: dalnet now supports SSL , unfortunately when i do /conn arcor.dal.net +6679 , i ended up with Succedded Connection then Disconnected (Remote host closed socket) |
| 02:35.26 | Appetite | epsilon: i doubt it, it worked before i did this fresh install, and (2) which would you recommend then? |
| 02:36.19 | wols | anisfarhana: irssi does supporty ssl (and it proxies your xchat since you don't bother to look) |
| 02:36.45 | epsilon | Appetite: try mc, it can handle ssh-fs |
| 02:36.55 | anisfarhana | wols: i don't want irssi Mr. Tiger :/ |
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| 02:37.08 | Appetite | epsilon: i've tried plain old "sshfs" but i still get read error there |
| 02:37.11 | epsilon | Appetite: if mc works, the issue is gFTP and not sshd |
| 02:37.58 | epsilon | Appetite: did you change anything in the system/filesystem/user/userpermissin/chroot after fresh install? |
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| 02:38.16 | Appetite | epsilon: no, didn't change anything |
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| 02:39.51 | epsilon | Appetite: as which user are you tryig to login? is the user allowed to ssh? |
| 02:40.18 | Appetite | epsilon: i've tried root and my other user, and yes, the other user can ssh |
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| 02:42.53 | anisfarhana | epsilon / wols : i found something , and maybe you guys can help me --> http://pastebin.ws/87u9o0 |
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| 02:43.14 | epsilon | anisfarhana: I recommend muhrc or dircproxy even they don't support SSL to client |
| 02:43.28 | epsilon | anisfarhana: to secure the connection, use ssh-tunnel |
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| 02:43.46 | Appetite | epsilon: i'm still getting read error |
| 02:44.04 | anisfarhana | epsilon: i'm trying to compile bnc2.9.4.tar.gz with ssl |
| 02:46.00 | dbbolton | what is the dpkg topic that suggests things to back up |
| 02:46.59 | epsilon | Appetite: any error message in /var/log? use "ls -latr" to sort for latest changes |
| 02:47.06 | OldParr | epsilon: wols: abrotman: thanks ... |
| 02:47.26 | Appetite | none |
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| 02:47.44 | Appetite | just "password accepted" and then "connection opened" (or maybe the other way around... but no errors) |
| 02:47.52 | epsilon | Appetite: *shrugs* install proftpd with tls support |
| 02:48.00 | anisfarhana | epsilon: how to define ssl support ? |
| 02:48.25 | epsilon | anisfarhana: isnt there a makefile? |
| 02:49.16 | anisfarhana | epsilon: yes i just do ./configure then ./make , but i guess need some command to ./make with ssl right ? |
| 02:51.33 | anisfarhana | duh not ./make , just "make" |
| 02:51.34 | anisfarhana | my bad |
| 02:52.02 | epsilon | and "./configure --help"? |
| 02:52.24 | abrotman | maybe he should ask the software authors ? |
| 02:52.46 | anisfarhana | stuck with her ssl path on debian |
| 02:52.48 | anisfarhana | that's it |
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| 02:54.20 | anisfarhana | ah ./configure -with-ssl |
| 02:55.09 | anisfarhana | checking whether to enable SSL support... yes |
| 02:55.12 | anisfarhana | wheee :D |
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| 02:57.35 | Appetite | My install disk was trying to make it squeeze, but i want lenny, how can i force it to update/upgrade (technically downgrade but whatever) to lenny? i changed /etc/apt/sources.list and ran update/upgrade |
| 02:57.54 | abrotman | what instlal disk ? |
| 02:58.03 | abrotman | and you can't downgrade like that |
| 02:58.39 | Appetite | um, the newest netinst disk |
| 02:58.46 | abrotman | newest? from where? |
| 02:58.58 | Appetite | um, the site? |
| 02:59.12 | abrotman | okay .. there are tons of different images .. oddly, they do different things |
| 02:59.29 | Appetite | the net install from the newest i386 one |
| 02:59.34 | abrotman | okay .. there are tons of different images .. oddly, they do different things |
| 02:59.41 | Appetite | it tried to install squeeze, but i want to downgrade to lenny |
| 02:59.47 | Appetite | i did it before, but i can't remember =\ |
| 02:59.50 | epsilon | Appetite: tell us the ISO filename you used |
| 03:00.11 | Appetite | ugh.. i have no idea |
| 03:00.34 | abrotman | the lenny netinst won't instlal squeeze unless you try very hard to do that |
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| 03:01.00 | Appetite | this link |
| 03:01.01 | Appetite | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.4/i386/bt-cd/debian-504-i386-netinst.iso.torrent |
| 03:01.13 | abrotman | that should instlal lenny, unless you tried to make it not do that |
| 03:01.24 | epsilon | Appetite: "cat /etc/debian_version", "uname -a" |
| 03:01.27 | Appetite | i just did a regular install |
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| 03:01.39 | Appetite | squeeze/sid |
| 03:01.48 | abrotman | then you didn't do a regular install |
| 03:01.56 | Appetite | um, i sure didn't change anything |
| 03:02.03 | abrotman | or you changed something after the install |
| 03:02.10 | Appetite | but it's too late now, how can it be downgraded? as i said, i did it before |
| 03:02.15 | abrotman | you cannot downgrade |
| 03:02.22 | abrotman | not correctly, not cleanly |
| 03:02.23 | epsilon | full reinstall |
| 03:02.54 | epsilon | if you messed up with versions, that can be the reason for ssh-fs failure |
| 03:02.54 | Appetite | ok, what is the uncorrect unclean way |
| 03:03.10 | Appetite | epsilon: i think that IS the reason, because apt-get is telling me versions are messed up |
| 03:03.13 | Appetite | but i've done it before |
| 03:03.22 | epsilon | for get it, that will take more time than a new install |
| 03:03.40 | Appetite | epsilon: the problem is, it will install squeeze/sid again |
| 03:03.49 | Appetite | this is the second time i've used the disk without changing options |
| 03:03.53 | Appetite | and both times it installed it |
| 03:03.53 | epsilon | not if you use the CD |
| 03:04.42 | Appetite | i did |
| 03:04.46 | wols | Appetite: squeeze/sid doesn't install by accident. you have to explicitly install it with a special squeeze media |
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| 03:05.00 | abrotman | or expert mode |
| 03:05.02 | Appetite | wols: well i just showed them the link i used |
| 03:05.08 | Appetite | and i used regular mode, didn't change options |
| 03:05.14 | wols | Appetite: that is BS. that installs stable only |
| 03:05.15 | abrotman | Appetite: that's the link you downloaded .. that doesn't mean you burned that ISO ? |
| 03:05.17 | epsilon | if you use that 5.0.4 CD, you *will* have lenny and nothing else. Unless you don't upgrade manually by editing sources.list or install .debs |
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| 03:05.50 | Appetite | wols: well i can honestly swear that is what i did, you dont have to believe it |
| 03:06.29 | wols | Appetite: no one here believes you since people know what this debian installer does |
| 03:06.43 | Appetite | well i didn't change any options and didn't use expert mode |
| 03:06.50 | epsilon | Appetite: you don't need to make us believe anything. You are the one having trouble if you take wrong iso |
| 03:06.55 | Appetite | first boot after installation said squeeze/sid |
| 03:07.06 | epsilon | Appetite: if unsure, re-download, re-burn, re-istall, be-happy |
| 03:07.09 | Appetite | epsilon: i just showed you th iso i used |
| 03:07.25 | bugjar | weird. section 7 of hostname says that getbyhostname(3) is obsolete, but resolver(5) doesn't even mention the supposed replacement, getaddrinfo(3). well. neither does the SEE ALSO in hostname(5).... |
| 03:07.45 | bugjar | oops hostname(7).. |
| 03:07.50 | omcfadde | hi, does debian provide a command to extract the version number from a package's debian/changelog file? (sorry if this is the wrong channel; I supposed #debian is more end-user questions.) |
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| 03:08.50 | epsilon | Appetite: (or save the re-download and check the md5sum instead) |
| 03:08.57 | karsten | omcfadde: aptitude show <package> | grep ^Version: |
| 03:09.22 | omcfadde | karsten: thanks, but I mean a package that is not already installed on the system |
| 03:09.43 | karsten | omcfadde: ... and the changelog file somehow is? |
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| 03:10.17 | omcfadde | karsten: I am cloning some git repos from git.debian.org |
| 03:10.19 | karsten | omcfadde: it's easy enough to grab the deb itself. You can browse through *that* with several virtual filesystem tools, including mc or Konqueror. |
| 03:10.22 | epsilon | the md5sum is here: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.4/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 03:10.52 | omcfadde | so it's part of the git repo. I want to extract the version number from the changelog so I can automate the "extra" packaging for our internal build infrastructure. |
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| 03:11.20 | karsten | omcfadde: I *think* that changelog.Debian.gz is supposed to have the version number in it, which means you can grab the first line of the file. |
| 03:11.28 | karsten | omcfadde: ... check Debian Policy for confirmation. |
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| 03:12.09 | karsten | !tell omcfadde about policy |
| 03:12.18 | omcfadde | karsten: well the repos from git.debian.org do not have the changelog.Debian.gz file. just debian/changelog. |
| 03:12.31 | omcfadde | I can extract it from there using sed... I just figured there would be a cleaner solution |
| 03:12.45 | karsten | omcfadde: That's from upstream, and may contain wild screaming horny rabbits for all you know. |
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| 03:13.04 | karsten | omcfadde: So no, that's not reliable. What version are you trying ot get? Debian's version, or upstream's? |
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| 03:13.59 | omcfadde | karsten: I'm aware these repos follow upstream. I'm working as a developer for Maemo. I need to extract the version as is specified in the debian changelog |
| 03:14.48 | karsten | omcfadde: I'll refer you to Debian Policy and the New Maintainer's Guide. |
| 03:15.07 | karsten | omcfadde: That will tell you what/how Debian does this sort of thing. I *don't* knwo the answer offhand. |
| 03:15.22 | omcfadde | karsten: okay, thank you. |
| 03:15.22 | karsten | omcfadde: There's a debian-devel channel either here or on OFTC (irc.debian.net). |
| 03:16.02 | karsten | omcfadde: this is mostly user support, DDs would be more familiar with your quesiton. There are some here at times, but not regularly, and I'm not a DD myself. |
| 03:16.04 | simonrvn | .org, and on oftc |
| 03:16.12 | karsten | simonrvn: Thanks. |
| 03:16.15 | simonrvn | :) |
| 03:16.48 | omcfadde | I can probably find out in a few hours from one of our build infrastructure people... too early at the moment. |
| 03:16.58 | omcfadde | but thank you, I'll try those if they do not know. |
| 03:17.09 | bugjar | is there a better way to write out /etc/hosts for the 127.0.0.1 to recognize the name kept in /etc/hostname ? all my logs still report "localhost" |
| 03:17.42 | bugjar | right now, it is : "127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost mugwump" |
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| 03:19.34 | karsten | bugjar: What does 'hostname' report? |
| 03:20.36 | karsten | bugjar: If you've just installed or started: 'sudo hostname --file /etc/hostname; /etc/init.d/sysklogd restart' should do it. |
| 03:20.55 | karsten | bugjar: If not, you want to find out why your hostname isn't being set and/or syslog isn't getting it. |
| 03:21.03 | karsten | bugjar: And no, syslog doesn't use the resolver. |
| 03:22.26 | bugjar | hostname gives me the name in /etc/hostname, mugwump; hostname -f gives me localhost.localdomain, as does hostname -s |
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| 03:23.09 | karsten | bugjar: restart your syslog then. Tail /var/log/messages or force a message with "echo foo | logger" |
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| 03:23.19 | karsten | bugjar: See if that fixes it. I gotta go. Later. |
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| 03:23.23 | bugjar | karsten, the discrepancies are why i'm curious about it |
| 03:23.39 | bugjar | karsten, thanks |
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| 03:23.53 | simonrvn | sets his in /etc/hostname hosts and sysctl.conf |
| 03:24.49 | bugjar | simonrvn, sysctl kernel.hostname also gives me what i expect |
| 03:25.26 | thepro4e1er | WOAH |
| 03:25.41 | thepro4e1er | WHY DO I HAVE TO PAY TO DOWNLOAD SUN-JAVA6-JDK DEBIAN PACKAGE |
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| 03:26.35 | bugjar | bleh : "May 18 23:25:55 localhost logger: foo!" |
| 03:26.59 | wols | thepro4e1er: BS |
| 03:27.07 | wols | !tell thepro4e1er about install java |
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| 03:27.58 | Burning_Aces | wat |
| 03:29.18 | thepro4e1er | non-free stands for you need to pay? |
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| 03:30.02 | bugjar | thepro4e1er, no. nonfree is you don't get source accoring to debian policy |
| 03:30.50 | simonrvn | !tell thepro4e1er -about non-free |
| 03:31.09 | simonrvn | next time, don't shout. |
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| 03:36.30 | rsw | hellp |
| 03:36.35 | rsw | hello* |
| 03:37.11 | jester45 | hello |
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| 03:37.46 | rsw | i have trouble booting fresh copy of lenny :( i get stuck at busybox shell cos of fail boot |
| 03:38.18 | jester45 | can you give any errors on what is keeping debian from booting |
| 03:38.21 | rsw | tried couple of reinstalls no succes always same error |
| 03:38.27 | rsw | hold on :) |
| 03:39.01 | rsw | http://picpaste.com/screeny.png |
| 03:39.06 | rsw | its a screeny :D |
| 03:40.07 | jester45 | what options are you giving the filesystem on sdb1 |
| 03:40.30 | rsw | i formated with ext3 if thats what u mean ? |
| 03:40.40 | rsw | else i just followed setup |
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| 03:41.12 | jester45 | no special options ? |
| 03:41.18 | rsw | but before there was ubuntu studio on with ext4 maybe thats causing problem even tho i deleted those partitions |
| 03:41.22 | rsw | not that i know of |
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| 03:42.22 | rsw | even cleared mbr ... no succes |
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| 03:43.32 | jester45 | inside of the bustbox shell try running mount -t ext3 /dev/sdb1 /root |
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| 03:43.47 | rsw | there is another hd in the box wich was formated inside ubuntu studio wich i now know suck but dont see how that can interfeir with the hd to boot from |
| 03:44.01 | rsw | gonna tra that |
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| 03:45.02 | rsw | cannot read etc/fstab no such file |
| 03:45.18 | rsw | if i wanna acces that i need to boot with cd i recovery mode |
| 03:45.18 | jester45 | i havnt read up on ext4 that much but it should be compatible with ext3 |
| 03:46.21 | jester45 | try mount -t ext3 /dev/sdb1 / |
| 03:46.39 | jester45 | sorry im not used to working in a busybox environment |
| 03:47.03 | rsw | nether am i |
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| 03:47.20 | rsw | dint even know that existed until now :p |
| 03:47.30 | rsw | nope doesnt work also |
| 03:47.35 | thepro4e1er | where does java install too on debian? |
| 03:47.55 | rsw | find ? |
| 03:48.14 | jester45 | rsw:: run ls / |
| 03:48.24 | jester45 | i wonder if anything has been mounted |
| 03:48.25 | thepro4e1er | rsw, well i did a 'find / java.exe' and it finds about a gazillion directories |
| 03:48.26 | newsense | whereis java ? |
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| 03:48.55 | rsw | nothing has been mounted |
| 03:49.21 | rsw | but can see the devices in dev |
| 03:49.22 | jester45 | thepro4e1er:: it wouldnt be exe, it would be something else. java has files all over the place. what are you trying to do? |
| 03:49.55 | jester45 | rsw:: what device should mount on / |
| 03:50.10 | rsw | wel sdb1 |
| 03:50.26 | rsw | thats root |
| 03:50.35 | rsw | then extender to swap and home |
| 03:50.35 | jester45 | on your screenshot sdb1 is trying to mount to /root |
| 03:50.47 | rsw | yea thats the weird thing |
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| 03:51.04 | thepro4e1er | jester45, i'm trying to figure out the correlation between a windows java install and a debian install, ie where are the files go on a debian OS for java, on Windows the java install just goes into one folder where ever you install it |
| 03:51.53 | SerajewelKS | thepro4e1er: most of the files go in /usr/share |
| 03:54.04 | jester45 | rsw:: maybe you should reboot the machine and enter grub and tell it not to mount sdb1 on /root but on / |
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| 03:55.21 | rsw | gonna look at grub |
| 03:56.38 | jester45 | for example my kernel line is /boot/vmlinux-amd root=/dev/sde1 ro quiet |
| 03:57.01 | lindi- | thepro4e1er: find does not work like that |
| 03:57.35 | rsw | the only way that im able to boot to lenny is if i use lvm but then i cant recompile the kernel and boot from it for some reason it wont show up in grub |
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| 03:58.05 | rsw | mine is ecaxtly the same |
| 03:58.21 | rsw | root to / or what |
| 04:00.24 | rsw | when i change root=/dev/sdb1 to /=/dev/sdb1 |
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| 04:00.42 | rsw | it keeps saying loading pleas wait |
| 04:00.43 | rsw | ^^ |
| 04:01.16 | nickgaw | What is the latest console based irc client in squeeze with the most features? |
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| 04:01.35 | jester45 | no leave root= |
| 04:01.47 | rsw | yea noticed that dont work |
| 04:01.49 | rsw | haha |
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| 04:01.58 | jester45 | rsw:: sorry i cant help more but ive got to go |
| 04:02.14 | rsw | wel ok thx for trying :D |
| 04:02.15 | jester45 | dang work interfering with all my computer time |
| 04:03.03 | rsw | tell em u bussy xD |
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| 04:04.58 | eikenberry | nickgaw. Not sure about the most features. I know that irssi and weechat are both pretty good. |
| 04:05.01 | eikenberry | just missed |
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| 04:05.46 | rsw | ul dint know that one |
| 04:06.37 | rsw | http://picpaste.com/screeny.png but here is my problem ? :D |
| 04:07.15 | qq- | go reinstall |
| 04:07.32 | rsw | tried many times |
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| 04:07.58 | rsw | even deleted mbr or put 00 on them with bb |
| 04:08.07 | rsw | same result after |
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| 04:10.49 | civillian | rsw, just a thought - don't use ext3 as your boot partition, use ext2 |
| 04:11.39 | rsw | only way i was able to boot was when i installed with lvm but then i couldnt boot from my recompiled kernel and had some mount errors on startup |
| 04:11.54 | rsw | so pick ext2 for my / |
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| 04:12.29 | jester45 | ext3 is backwards compatible with ext2 |
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| 04:12.52 | jester45 | it wont matter that you use ext3 for the boot partition or ext2 |
| 04:13.07 | qq- | rsw, which image you unstalled ? |
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| 04:13.41 | rsw | gonna try and pick ext2 now on install of lenny 5.04 |
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| 04:14.35 | rsw | wel the amd64 one |
| 04:15.19 | civillian | yeah not sure if it's what you're needing, but give it a go, I always use ext2 for /boot but can't remember why... |
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| 04:15.27 | qq- | rsw, how you installed 'your kernel' ? ... |
| 04:15.38 | acu | can anyone help me make a virtual machine generated by kvm-qemu to have its own IP address (either static or DHCPC generated? |
| 04:15.38 | civillian | rsw, have you googled that error? |
| 04:15.49 | rsw | yup |
| 04:16.06 | rsw | installed following setup nothing special |
| 04:16.23 | qq- | rsw, which setup ? |
| 04:16.54 | qq- | rsw, debian-installer don't let you do so ... |
| 04:17.17 | jester45 | acu:: create a bridge to your real network card, and setup the IP information in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 04:17.18 | rsw | i just use the non graphical one |
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| 04:19.22 | acu | I think I can create a bridge br0 but I am stuck there- I want for example to have host machine to have 192.168.0.100 and virtual machine 192.168.0.200 |
| 04:19.27 | acu | jester45 |
| 04:20.18 | acu | it is so much difficult to figure out than initially I thought would be - kind of specific masochistic debianish :) |
| 04:20.39 | jester45 | acu:: http://pastebin.com/Muy1QbGY thats my /etc/network/interfaces file |
| 04:21.03 | jester45 | might help |
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| 04:22.59 | acu | jester. yes, it looks great - one more question - could I make them both use dhcp ? |
| 04:23.30 | qq- | rsw, same, so install whit out lvm , and use only debian kernel |
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| 04:24.18 | acu | so br0 would provide for a single virtual machine IP ? jester45 |
| 04:24.34 | jester45 | yea |
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| 04:25.02 | jester45 | and you can make a br1 or what ever you need |
| 04:25.05 | acu | I will try it how it is - but if I want more than one virtual machine (means more IP addresses) |
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| 04:25.25 | rsw | it only works with lvm but then after install i cant seem to boot from recompiled kernel some how it wont show up in grub... |
| 04:25.50 | rsw | the line for the new kernel in menu.lst wont show up in boot |
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| 04:26.05 | acu | so this is the /etc/network/interfaces - after I make this change - what do I choose in AQEMU for network jester45 ? |
| 04:26.08 | rsw | gonna try install of ext2 now |
| 04:27.17 | qq- | rsw, so your kernel is wrong |
| 04:28.05 | rsw | how can it be wrong if i install from unmodified cd ? |
| 04:28.19 | qq- | ... |
| 04:28.25 | rsw | its only after i want to recompile for 1000hz |
| 04:28.29 | qq- | recompiled kernel. |
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| 04:28.53 | mfFANteam | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4u5OFRqbFNM |
| 04:29.17 | rsw | if the line dont show up its wrong recompiled ? |
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| 04:31.10 | \amethyst | missing a number of \[ s |
| 04:31.12 | \amethyst | doh |
| 04:31.22 | jester45 | acu:: tell it to use br0 |
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| 04:34.48 | qq- | rsw, bah, i lost interest in helping you, good luck |
| 04:35.21 | rsw | haha np thx anyway |
| 04:35.28 | rsw | hope that ext2 works |
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| 04:36.11 | acu | jester45: where exactly I tell the vm to use br0 |
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| 04:40.58 | acu | jester45 are you around ? |
| 04:41.27 | acu | jester45 do you use AQEMU > |
| 04:41.29 | acu | ? |
| 04:41.49 | acu | can you post a snapshot of the network tab from AQEMU |
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| 04:44.17 | mkad | hi |
| 04:44.34 | mkad | how to debootstrap sid ? |
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| 04:44.48 | mkad | I get W about missing packages for both testing and sid |
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| 04:44.55 | mkad | and pbuilder create fails |
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| 04:47.31 | simonrvn | pbuilder isn't meant to bootstrap a system |
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| 04:49.28 | civillian | acu, do you have a virtual NIC on your host box? like vmnet0? |
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| 04:52.00 | mkad | simonrvn, you know what I am talking about |
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| 04:52.37 | acu | civillian: I have tough time making one |
| 04:52.42 | mkad | simonrvn, and since you know pbuilder is not ment to bootstrap system I assume you know what pbuilder is |
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| 04:53.04 | mkad | simonrvn, a comment of yours does not help either |
| 04:53.08 | arp- | esa |
| 04:53.14 | simonrvn | yes, p = package, builder. it's only meant to build packages |
| 04:53.39 | mkad | simonrvn, thats not true |
| 04:53.43 | simonrvn | mkad: getting snarky with the helpers isn't conducive to getting more of it. |
| 04:54.59 | civillian | acu, in my experience when you run up a virtualization layer, you get a new virtual NIC on the host box that represents all VM guests |
| 04:55.02 | mkad | simonrvn, being bumptious is not helping anyway |
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| 04:55.34 | mkad | simonrvn, I just hate ppl trying to be bigheaded and telling stupid comments when they know what the problem is |
| 04:55.51 | mkad | simonrvn, you know pbuilder calls debootstrap I assume |
| 04:55.54 | civillian | acu, the idea of a bridge is to 'join' (bridge) that virtual NIC to a physical NIC that's connected to the ethernet segment that you want your VM guests on... |
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| 04:56.12 | civillian | acu, does that make some sense? |
| 04:56.20 | mkad | simonrvn, anway thanks for help from You, maybe someone else will do |
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| 04:56.23 | acu | yes perfect sense |
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| 04:57.49 | acu | civillian: I am almost nauseated by so many useless howto's I found - none of them clear - what do you do on host what do you do on guest - I want the virtual machine to have its own IP (not the one asigned by qemu - with 10 .whatever) |
| 04:58.12 | civillian | acu, nice :) there is no need for IP addresses on either br0 or the virtual NIC |
| 04:58.21 | civillian | acu, AFAIK anyway |
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| 04:58.53 | simonrvn | apt-cache show pbuilder: "...pbuilder constructs a chroot system, and builds a package inside the chroot. It is an ideal system to use to check that a package has correct build-dependencies. ..." care to revise your statement? |
| 04:59.37 | acu | civillian: if I want to have a web server in one virtual machine with Ip 24.159.200.108 and the other vm with 24.159.200.109 how can those webservers be accessed then ? |
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| 05:00.57 | ssm | acu: you're probably looking for http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/vhosts/ |
| 05:01.02 | spersaud | hmmm just installed debian on this crappy lenovo g550 but the intel driver is amazing |
| 05:01.20 | civillian | acu, so you've got a router which is handling routing for a subnet of public IPs? |
| 05:01.21 | ssm | acu: err, "vm", forget I said anything :P |
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| 05:01.52 | spersaud | intel should make a desktop graphics card |
| 05:01.56 | spersaud | does any exist ? |
| 05:02.52 | ssm | acu: how are your vm's connected to the net? virtual interfaces on a bridge interface? |
| 05:02.55 | spersaud | !intel |
| 05:02.56 | dpkg | Intel Corporation is a semiconductor manufacturer. For support of wireless LAN chipsets, ask me about <ipw2100>, <ipw2200>, <iwlwifi>, <iwlagn>. For support of Ethernet chipsets, ask me about <e100>, <e1000>, <e1000e>, <igb>. For support of WiMAX devices, ask me about <i2400m-usb>. For support of integrated graphics chipsets, ask me about <intel-gfx>. See also <speedstep>. |
| 05:03.05 | simonrvn | mkad: /msg dpkg chroot install |
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| 05:04.27 | acu | civillian: I can do it either way - I would need to be able to have each vm its own IP - even if it is 192.168.0.180 and the other 192.168.0.190 the issue for public and private IP does not matter here |
| 05:05.06 | spersaud | holly crap this computer has a broadcom card.. does everything about it have to suck, the keyboard really sucks |
| 05:05.13 | mkad | simonrvn, it shouldnt matter if its me who calles debootstrap or script pbuilder |
| 05:05.22 | spersaud | good thing I have a wireless bridge in my room ... |
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| 05:07.23 | civillian | acu, no problems, probably the best approach is to connect a physical NIC on the VM host to a switch that's connected to the router's interface that you choose, public or private. |
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| 05:07.58 | civillian | acu, each router is different of course so I'm flying a bit blind here :P |
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| 05:08.33 | acu | civillian: do not worry about router - I am interested how can I assign IP addresses to host and virtual machines - that is all - |
| 05:09.05 | acu | how can I create a virtual NIC |
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| 05:09.35 | civillian | acu, it should have been created when you installed the virtualization layer... I've run up vmware server on my box and I get a vmnet0 adapter |
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| 05:09.54 | civillian | acu, that's the only reason I assume there is something similar in QEMU |
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| 05:10.44 | mkad | simonrvn, is it possible to tell debootstrap to retry download if it fails? |
| 05:11.10 | acu | civillian: oh - I see - no kvm/qemu you have to make it in host - is some ifconfig command - but I got 10 different howto's, none the same - that is the difference when you use open source - is excruciatingly frustrating to figure out something like abc |
| 05:11.34 | rsw | aw ext2 gives also same error |
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| 05:12.02 | civillian | acu, can you paste 'ifconfig -a' into pastebin or something ? |
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| 05:14.02 | acu | civillian: I just got this one from jester45 I think |
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| 05:14.11 | acu | !paste |
| 05:14.12 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>. |
| 05:15.09 | civillian | acu, go to pastebin.org and paste the output, send me the URL in this channel |
| 05:15.19 | acu | civillian: but this is somehow ify http://pastebin.com/WypDFMEA |
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| 05:18.31 | civillian | acu, ok nothing there... when you start qemu, do you parse any networking arguments like -net nic -net tap,ifname=tap0 ? |
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| 05:20.06 | acu | civillian - I am starting AQEMU which is a GUI - but I just read few secs ago - that there is an TAP option - so I need to create some tap1 etc - and start qemu as root - otherwise they do not work |
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| 05:21.21 | civillian | acu, yes TAP is the user land network interface... it's all a bit clearer now. tap0 is the first TAP interface btw.. Some people say that QEMU will create it for you (if you're root) others say they manually created it |
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| 05:22.39 | acu | I am just reading a howto - for Ubuntu - it tells me to place the eth0 in promoiscous mode http://www.ossramblings.com/bridged_networking_kvm_qemu_ubuntu |
| 05:22.50 | acu | today life was a bitch |
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| 05:23.01 | civillian | acu, here is an example where someone says this created the tap0 interface: "qemu-kvm -net nic -net tap,script=no -cdrom Slackware-12.1.iso -boot d" |
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| 05:23.07 | acu | promiscous enough to want to go to vmware |
| 05:23.21 | civillian | acu, hehe, 'ifconfig eth0 promisc' |
| 05:23.51 | civillian | acu, a properly configured bridge should auto set that |
| 05:24.33 | acu | I am preety sure - whatever you know in computers - IS TOO EASY - what you do not know - is almost imposible" Copyright Acu :) |
| 05:24.55 | qq- | !acu |
| 05:24.55 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, acu is a raid specific term which means Array Configuration Utility |
| 05:25.26 | acu | Adenine Cytosine Uracil - codon for aminoacid Threonine :) |
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| 05:25.57 | rsw | !busybox |
| 05:25.57 | dpkg | BusyBox combines tiny versions of many common Unix utilities into a single small executable. It provides minimalist replacements for most of the utilities you usually find in GNU coreutils, util-linux, etc. http://busybox.net/FAQ.html #uclibc on irc.freenode.net. |
| 05:26.27 | rsw | !bsbox |
| 05:27.34 | spersaud | !rv770 |
| 05:27.51 | rsw | !sbin |
| 05:27.52 | spersaud | which driver should I use with an rv770 chip in lenny ? |
| 05:27.56 | civillian | acu, so in summary, you need to have a bridge 'br0' setup and bridging tap0 with eth0... then set each IP on the guests as if they were real machines |
| 05:29.26 | rsw | !vodka |
| 05:29.26 | dpkg | methinks vodka is best served with Rose's Lime Juice, to make a cocktail known as the Gimlet. Considered the finest vodka drink known to man. |
| 05:29.48 | rsw | ^^ |
| 05:29.59 | rsw | !weed |
| 05:30.15 | rsw | thought so xD |
| 05:30.26 | civillian | !amsterdam |
| 05:30.42 | rsw | !marijuana |
| 05:30.43 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, marijuana is a green leaved plant that is often smoked to get high. Try dict marijunana, or note however that it may be outlawed where you live, so check with the authorities where you live!, or don't do drugs mkaaaaaaaaaaay? drugs are mbaaad y'know |
| 05:30.57 | rsw | hahaa |
| 05:31.06 | rsw | mkay |
| 05:31.25 | spersaud | !cognac |
| 05:31.28 | civillian | !viagra |
| 05:31.28 | dpkg | i heard viagra is the nickname for the Woody Tech Support Crew |
| 05:31.43 | rsw | rofl |
| 05:32.18 | rsw | !hooker |
| 05:32.42 | rsw | apt-get update |
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| 05:33.14 | rsw | !help |
| 05:33.42 | rsw | !wtf |
| 05:33.59 | spersaud | what driver should I use with an rv770 card (ati) radeon 4850 or someting like that |
| 05:34.02 | civillian | !jebus |
| 05:34.02 | dpkg | i guess jebus is "Save me, Jebus!" |
| 05:34.05 | spersaud | I use fglrx but it sucks |
| 05:34.07 | rsw | !wtf sbin |
| 05:34.08 | dpkg | Gee... I don't know what sbin means... |
| 05:34.13 | rsw | lol |
| 05:34.31 | rsw | !wtf bootfail |
| 05:34.32 | dpkg | Gee... I don't know what bootfail means... |
| 05:34.46 | rsw | !wtf helpfull |
| 05:34.48 | dpkg | Gee... I don't know what helpfull means... |
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| 05:35.22 | spersaud | goes to #linux |
| 05:36.11 | Bop | spersaud, really ? |
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| 05:36.35 | Bop | spersaud, i just bought a HD4650 for linux |
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| 05:36.49 | Bop | its claimed to be the fastest agp card |
| 05:37.24 | rsw | !agp |
| 05:37.25 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, agp is (Accelerated Graphics Port) This is a special port that began to show up on motherboards in the second half of 1997. The port bypasses the PCI bus and allows much higher throughput from the graphics card to the processor for speedier 3D graphics. You need special graphics cards to fit into this slot. It is not compatible with PCI cards. The linux kernel module which supports direct agp IO is called agpgart. |
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| 05:39.24 | StuckMojo | what are ya'll using for webmail these days? squirrelmail? |
| 05:39.33 | StuckMojo | horde? |
| 05:39.37 | oOarthurOo | !poll |
| 05:39.38 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a good question that IRC helpers can answer. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls>. |
| 05:39.54 | StuckMojo | grrr |
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| 05:40.02 | oOarthurOo | chuckles |
| 05:40.16 | StuckMojo | is there an officially recommended webmail package in lenny? |
| 05:40.22 | oOarthurOo | touche |
| 05:40.34 | StuckMojo | i'm upgrading from an ooold sarge installation |
| 05:40.37 | StuckMojo | i was using squirrelmail |
| 05:40.57 | HandyGandy | ACtually the original question was not a poll. |
| 05:40.58 | StuckMojo | actually i'm consolidating 2 woody and 1 sarge box onto a single lenny box ;) |
| 05:41.11 | HandyGandy | What is webmail? |
| 05:41.25 | StuckMojo | web interface to email on your mta |
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| 05:41.48 | StuckMojo | so your users can hit a web page and read their email if they don't have a native client handy |
| 05:41.49 | Bop | web interface client * |
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| 05:42.13 | StuckMojo | squirrelmail has been pretty solid, but was always kinda ungly |
| 05:42.17 | StuckMojo | ugly even |
| 05:42.19 | HandyGandy | How hard is it to have pine ready? |
| 05:42.20 | hesco | debian is to apt-get as OSX-Leopard is to what? |
| 05:42.29 | civillian | StuckMojo, squirrelmail is good, also try roundcube if you like a more flashy interface |
| 05:42.31 | StuckMojo | and not real fast since it connects via imap |
| 05:42.32 | tensorpudding | hesco: macports or fink |
| 05:42.36 | hesco | I'm trying to support a friend on an OS-X machine |
| 05:42.41 | hesco | thank you |
| 05:42.57 | StuckMojo | HandyGandy: my users are not nearly that ... advanced ;) |
| 05:42.59 | tensorpudding | the former is far more similar to BSD ports though |
| 05:43.03 | nsadmin | hesco: its software installer |
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| 05:43.24 | StuckMojo | checks out roundcube... |
| 05:43.42 | rsw | !non-contignuous |
| 05:43.42 | StuckMojo | oooo pretty |
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| 05:44.03 | StuckMojo | ooof. 0.4 beta |
| 05:44.05 | rsw | !non-contiguous |
| 05:44.18 | rsw | !wtf non-contiguous |
| 05:44.18 | hesco | thanks folks, did not know his language there, appreciate the translation |
| 05:44.20 | dpkg | usage: wtf <foo>. |
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| 05:44.45 | nsadmin | !wtf <foo> |
| 05:44.47 | dpkg | usage: wtf <foo>. |
| 05:45.10 | StuckMojo | !wtf wtf |
| 05:45.11 | nsadmin | margarinical... |
| 05:45.12 | dpkg | WTF: {what,where,who,why} the fuck |
| 05:45.16 | StuckMojo | lol |
| 05:45.22 | rsw | ^^ |
| 05:45.33 | rsw | !wtf orly |
| 05:45.35 | dpkg | Gee... I don't know what orly means... |
| 05:46.08 | StuckMojo | heh, fun with bots |
| 05:46.40 | nsadmin | let poor dpkg rest... you're overheating it! |
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| 05:47.44 | StuckMojo | ha! it's a #debian bot |
| 05:47.58 | StuckMojo | you piss it off, it's liable to come over to your house and cut you |
| 05:48.18 | orion_X11 | I just installed Squeeze and I am trying to make ati-radeon work, but there is no xorg.conf in /etc/X11 !!! What should I do? Is it normal from now on? Or this is just in my system? |
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| 05:48.49 | StuckMojo | orion_X11: xorg now figures most stuff out itself |
| 05:49.08 | StuckMojo | mine has almost nothing in it |
| 05:49.15 | nsadmin | it's normal for xorg.conf to be nonexistant or empty |
| 05:49.28 | nsadmin | but maybe you need one to use the driver |
| 05:49.32 | StuckMojo | orion_X11: http://psql.privatepaste.com/b34d42cc6c |
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| 05:49.56 | orion_X11 | StuckMojo, But how do I make 3d work now with my ati-radeon? |
| 05:50.27 | Bop | orion_X11, u still can add some sections |
| 05:50.28 | StuckMojo | that's what i have to make my GTX 260 to work |
| 05:50.37 | Bop | and let other be auto configured by Xorg |
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| 05:50.55 | Bop | GTX is what, ati ? |
| 05:50.59 | StuckMojo | nvidia |
| 05:51.02 | Bop | oh |
| 05:51.04 | StuckMojo | pretty pimp too |
| 05:51.12 | Bop | now much fps u got in glxgears |
| 05:51.17 | StuckMojo | one sec |
| 05:51.49 | StuckMojo | ummm...how do you invoke it to get it to ignore vsync? |
| 05:52.00 | StuckMojo | actually i think i set that in my nvidia config |
| 05:52.06 | StuckMojo | to stop tearing, one sec |
| 05:52.19 | nsadmin | pretty pimp... not heidi fleiss... |
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| 05:52.49 | StuckMojo | nsadmin: no doubt |
| 05:53.27 | StuckMojo | hmm |
| 05:53.34 | StuckMojo | Bop: how do you invoke it? |
| 05:53.40 | Bop | glxgears |
| 05:53.49 | Bop | if u have the mesa-utils package |
| 05:53.53 | StuckMojo | Running synchronized to the vertical refresh. The framerate should be |
| 05:53.53 | StuckMojo | approximately the same as the monitor refresh rate. |
| 05:54.03 | StuckMojo | 120894 frames in 5.0 seconds |
| 05:54.17 | Bop | lol 120000 ? |
| 05:54.21 | Bop | that's a huge card |
| 05:54.24 | Bop | ? |
| 05:54.26 | StuckMojo | yeah |
| 05:54.33 | StuckMojo | about $250 |
| 05:54.36 | StuckMojo | 2 slots |
| 05:54.36 | Bop | damnt |
| 05:54.38 | StuckMojo | 2 fans |
| 05:54.46 | Bop | its dual |
| 05:54.48 | Bop | nice |
| 05:54.52 | Bop | that's alot of speed |
| 05:55.00 | StuckMojo | no it's a single core, but it takes up 2 slots because of the big ass heatsink |
| 05:55.04 | Bop | my ati 9550 only outputs 1300 |
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| 05:55.38 | Bop | do u play on linux ? |
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| 05:55.49 | StuckMojo | yeah but not much |
| 05:55.55 | StuckMojo | urban terror only |
| 05:56.04 | StuckMojo | i suppose i should try out armyops again |
| 05:56.07 | Bop | dont know , is it native ? |
| 05:56.16 | StuckMojo | i just boot windoze 7 for games |
| 05:56.18 | StuckMojo | yeah UT is |
| 05:56.29 | Bop | nice |
| 05:56.32 | StuckMojo | http://www.urbanterror.info/news/home/ |
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| 05:56.39 | StuckMojo | it was a quake3 mod |
| 05:56.43 | StuckMojo | well, quake2 first i think |
| 05:56.49 | StuckMojo | now it's ioquake so it's totally free |
| 05:56.54 | Bop | Valve is releasing a steam client for linux |
| 05:57.02 | StuckMojo | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814261053 |
| 05:57.05 | StuckMojo | that's the one i got |
| 05:57.10 | StuckMojo | Bop: orly? |
| 05:57.13 | Bop | yeah |
| 05:57.18 | Bop | where is ioquake ? |
| 05:57.19 | StuckMojo | probably not too hard now that they ported to mac |
| 05:57.39 | StuckMojo | ioquake is a fork of the publicly released q3 source |
| 05:57.50 | Bop | hmm ,dont know |
| 05:58.04 | StuckMojo | you can download it with UT, it's one package |
| 05:58.48 | StuckMojo | http://www.newegg.com/Product/ImageGallery.aspx?CurImage=14-261-053-TS&SpinSet=14-261-053-RS&ISList=14-261-053-Z01,14-261-053-Z02,14-261-053-Z03,14-261-053-Z04,14-261-053-Z05,14-261-053-Z06&S7ImageFlag=1&Item=N82E16814261053&Depa=0&WaterMark=1&Description=Palit%20NE3X262SFHD94%20GeForce%20GTX%20260%20896MB%20448-bit%20GDDR3%20PCI%20Express%202.0%20x16%20HDCP%20Ready%20SLI%20Support%20Video%20Card |
| 05:58.53 | StuckMojo | shit |
| 05:58.56 | StuckMojo | sorry |
| 06:00.01 | StuckMojo | i just boot to windows mostly now, because i bought COD:MW2, Bioshock2, Mass Effect 2, and Left 4 Dead 2 when i rebuilt my rig |
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| 06:01.38 | StuckMojo | Bop: where did you hear this btw? |
| 06:01.54 | Bop | i saw few days ago |
| 06:02.00 | Bop | in some news site |
| 06:02.23 | StuckMojo | nm, google found something |
| 06:02.39 | StuckMojo | one link among a bunch that say "No steam for linux evar!!!" |
| 06:02.42 | StuckMojo | heh |
| 06:02.49 | Bop | lol |
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| 06:02.53 | StuckMojo | i guess hell froze over |
| 06:03.07 | Bop | if firefox had a search feature on history i would search ... |
| 06:03.38 | HandyGandy | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:03.48 | HandyGandy | Sorry. |
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| 06:04.02 | StuckMojo | Bop: what you do you play in linux? |
| 06:04.26 | Bop | well , i just bought this ati HD 4650 |
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| 06:04.47 | Bop | i will play C&C kane edition and warcraft III |
| 06:05.05 | Bop | the both run , under PlayOnLinux |
| 06:05.14 | StuckMojo | ah |
| 06:05.31 | StuckMojo | is that some wrapper for cedaga/winex ? |
| 06:05.54 | Bop | wrapper for wine , winex was a very old name |
| 06:05.55 | Bop | lol |
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| 06:07.27 | StuckMojo | http://www.transgaming.com/ this i mean |
| 06:07.32 | Bop | no no |
| 06:07.35 | Bop | that's payed |
| 06:07.41 | Bop | i use wine, the free one |
| 06:07.53 | Bop | and playonlinux that runs the installer |
| 06:07.59 | StuckMojo | yes, they have an OS version too, w/o the packaging and no cd copy protection support |
| 06:08.14 | Bop | and also installs the proper wine version for the game, its possible to have multi wines on same system |
| 06:08.20 | StuckMojo | it's actually because of transgaming that wine works so well for games now |
| 06:08.26 | StuckMojo | they contribute all their code back |
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| 06:08.39 | StuckMojo | ah |
| 06:08.51 | rsw | !mojito |
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| 06:09.11 | rsw | !vodka |
| 06:09.11 | dpkg | rumour has it, vodka is best served with Rose's Lime Juice, to make a cocktail known as the Gimlet. Considered the finest vodka drink known to man. |
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| 06:09.57 | rsw | !initramfs |
| 06:09.57 | dpkg | well, initramfs is the new <initrd>. See http://www.ducea.com/2006/10/10/debian-etch-kernels/ for Sarge and Etch kernel differences (forward looking as we know it prior to etch's release), or ask me about <initramfs debug>. See also <targeted>. http://wiki.debian.org/initramfs |
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| 06:12.06 | rsw | !time |
| 06:12.06 | dpkg | methinks time is found on http://www.time.gov/, or 2010.05.19 6:12:06, or an illusion, and lunchtime doubly so - Ford Prefect said that. of no essence here!, or it's beer o'clock!!, or see http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/system-administrator/ch-sysadmin-time.html |
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| 06:27.07 | SerajewelKS | !tell rsw about msg the bot |
| 06:28.06 | rsw | !bong |
| 06:28.07 | dpkg | bong is, like, like, dude, yeah... see http://sluggy.com/daily.php?date=980804 |
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| 06:29.58 | rsw | not that funny :p |
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| 06:30.57 | civillian | !Diazepam |
| 06:31.04 | civillian | !diazepam |
| 06:31.07 | civillian | :( |
| 06:32.18 | rsw | xD |
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| 06:33.21 | Haraken | if I have native ipv6 support through my isp, how do I setup the interfaces file to pull the ipv6 address from the cable modem using dhcp? |
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| 06:34.41 | SerajewelKS | Haraken: you'll have to use manual mode and invoke the proper dhcp client in an up script |
| 06:34.52 | SerajewelKS | Haraken: also, yell at your isp for doing something as silly as dhcpv6 |
| 06:35.24 | Haraken | SerajewelKS, sorry I just assumed that it would be on dhcp. I've never used ipv6 before but I heard that my isp should support it |
| 06:35.45 | Haraken | SerajewelKS, would it get it's own interface? |
| 06:35.59 | SerajewelKS | Haraken: no |
| 06:36.04 | SerajewelKS | Haraken: not unless it is a tunnel |
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| 06:36.42 | SerajewelKS | Haraken: does your cable modem support ipv6? |
| 06:36.53 | eagles0513875 | hey guys is there anyway i can get an invite to debian-mentors to discuss with someone replacement of some packages which have reached their eol |
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| 06:37.00 | Haraken | I believe so, lemme double check |
| 06:37.44 | Haraken | yes it does |
| 06:38.04 | SerajewelKS | Haraken: it will probably run a router advertisment daemon then |
| 06:38.49 | nevyn | eagles0513875: you're on the wrong network... |
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| 06:39.38 | Haraken | hmm, I'll have to give my isp a call in the morning and confirm they support ipv6. I'm looking at the cable modem configuration and although the modem supports ipv6, it is running in IPv4 Only (not sure if that is due to my pc not utilizing ipv6 or if that is because the isp is only allowing ipv4) |
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| 06:40.08 | SerajewelKS | Haraken: the router will have to have v6 turned on before your computer will know anything about it |
| 06:40.15 | Haraken | ok |
| 06:40.22 | eagles0513875 | nevyn: thanks |
| 06:40.27 | Haraken | my router is a debian desktop :) |
| 06:40.27 | SerajewelKS | Haraken: (assuming a sane setup, that is) |
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| 06:42.01 | SerajewelKS | Haraken: usually ipv6 router config is static |
| 06:42.11 | SerajewelKS | Haraken: so they might give you info that you have to apply to your router |
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| 06:43.20 | Haraken | I'm reading a forum post on dslreports and apparently someone in my city using cox did get ipv6 to work... I just need to get a better understand of how this works :) |
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| 06:43.23 | SerajewelKS | Haraken: most OSes don't support dhcpv6 on the same level that they support dhcpv4 -- you have to go really out of your way to make it work |
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| 06:43.49 | SerajewelKS | Haraken: so the way it's supposed to work (from a consumer standpoint) is that your ISP gives you a /64 that you statically configure your router with |
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| 06:44.17 | SerajewelKS | Haraken: then you run a router advertisment daemon (radvd in debian) to tell your LAN that you have IPv6 connectivity |
| 06:44.38 | SerajewelKS | Haraken: the computers will then autoconfigure themselves with addresses. they don't have to ask anybody for an address. |
| 06:44.46 | Haraken | since my router is a debian desktop, my main goal right now is just to get ipv6 working on that then I will worry about distributing it to other computers |
| 06:44.56 | SerajewelKS | Haraken: nod |
| 06:45.14 | Haraken | can you give me an example of what the ifconfig command would look like for configuring the ipv6 to eth0? |
| 06:45.18 | SerajewelKS | Haraken: they should give you a /64 to use, since ipv6 has no NAT mechanism on pretty much every OS |
| 06:45.47 | SerajewelKS | Haraken: ifconfig eth0 add dead:beef:cafe:1234::1/64 |
| 06:45.53 | Haraken | gonna ahhh |
| 06:45.56 | Haraken | thanks! |
| 06:45.58 | Haraken | :) |
| 06:46.03 | SerajewelKS | Haraken: np |
| 06:46.25 | SerajewelKS | Haraken: traditionally the router is 0000:0000:0000:0001 within the /64, but it doesn't matter |
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| 06:46.39 | Haraken | wonder if tech support is still awake xD |
| 06:46.43 | Haraken | (to get my address) |
| 06:47.23 | SerajewelKS | Haraken: then, once you run radvd, clients will autoconfigure like this: dead:beef:cafe:1234:xxxx:xxfe:ffxx:xxxx where the xx's are the interface's MAC address |
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| 06:47.51 | SerajewelKS | sorry, xxxx:xxfe:ffxx:xxxx |
| 06:47.57 | SerajewelKS | oh that's what i said |
| 06:48.14 | SerajewelKS | ff:fe, there we go |
| 06:48.15 | Haraken | heh |
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| 06:48.42 | SerajewelKS | so don't configure a router with an ff:fe in the middle, unless you fill around it with the MAC address, if you want to avoid collisions during autoconfig |
| 06:49.36 | Haraken | ok |
| 06:49.39 | Haraken | thanks for the help :) |
| 06:49.57 | SerajewelKS | since autoconfig only works in a /64, the idea is that ISPs will be more or less forced to dish out static /64's per customer so customers don't have to dick with their network too much |
| 06:50.17 | SerajewelKS | which is fantastic for connectivity, because all of a sudden everyone has static addresses that are globally-reachable |
| 06:50.35 | SerajewelKS | no more silly port-forwarding to make games and shit work |
| 06:51.17 | SerajewelKS | Haraken: np, if you need some servers to throw traffic at, my blog is accessible in the v6 internet :) |
| 06:52.43 | SerajewelKS | i'm not a big comcast fan, but they seem to be one of the only consumer-level ISPs to start deploying it |
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| 06:53.52 | Haraken | heh |
| 06:53.52 | rsw | !skills |
| 06:54.05 | Haraken | cox tech support guy was a big confused about ipv6 |
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| 06:54.33 | Haraken | it seems the one guy who got it up and running pretty much had it all automated by ddwrt |
| 06:54.41 | SerajewelKS | i doubt the level one helpdesk guys will know what it is |
| 06:55.00 | Haraken | http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,22342291?hilite=ipv6 |
| 06:55.31 | SerajewelKS | i argued for 30 minutes with someone at AT&T once because they told me that i didn't have DSL signal, that it was impossible before my connection date, even though the little light on my modem was green. she refused to help me set up my account because "it wouldn't work." |
| 06:55.40 | rsw | i also got error non of support untill now knows |
| 06:55.42 | tbsaunde | thinks about getting ipv6 from comcast |
| 06:55.46 | SerajewelKS | i don't have a lot of faith in isp tech support |
| 06:55.47 | Haraken | xD |
| 06:55.51 | Haraken | that's true |
| 06:55.57 | SerajewelKS | tbsaunde: i haven't figured out who to ask yet :/ |
| 06:56.24 | tbsaunde | SerajewelKS: me neither |
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| 06:57.05 | tbsaunde | SerajewelKS: it would by nice to not have to deal with wireless router static ip and port forwarding bs though |
| 06:57.20 | SerajewelKS | tbsaunde: i agree. though my workplace is still on v4 so it wouldn't really help that much. :( |
| 06:57.42 | SerajewelKS | also, for some bizarre reason, pinging v6 sites is about 5-10ms faster than pinging the same v4 site, and it is contistently so. |
| 06:57.52 | SerajewelKS | even though my v6 access is through a tunnel. figure that one out. |
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| 06:58.31 | rsw | call the cia xD |
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| 07:00.54 | tbsaunde | SerajewelKS: iono man |
| 07:01.09 | SerajewelKS | huh, i can't traceroute6 to ipv6.comcast.net today |
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| 07:03.43 | SerajewelKS | anyway, night everyone, it's way past my bedtime |
| 07:04.50 | tbsaunde | SerajewelKS: night |
| 07:05.42 | babilen | SerajewelKS: Good night - Change of guard ;) |
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| 07:08.14 | StuckMojo | civillian: thanks for pointing out roundcube, very nice |
| 07:08.35 | rsw^timeout | !wtf bs |
| 07:08.37 | dpkg | BS: bullshit |
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| 07:10.23 | Haraken | SerajewelKS, my datacenter doesn't even have native ipv6 support yet (last we checked) |
| 07:10.32 | Haraken | which wasn't too long ago iirc |
| 07:10.47 | hideo | !wtf iirc |
| 07:10.49 | dpkg | IIRC: if I recall correctly |
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| 07:12.42 | rsw^timeout | !coke |
| 07:12.43 | dpkg | coke is, like, not the drug and not the beverage, but a formidable hacker. Don't mess with him! |
| 07:12.55 | Haraken | SerajewelKS, any ipv6 tunnel provider you recommend? |
| 07:13.15 | valdyn | Haraken: should ask your isp |
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| 07:14.04 | Haraken | mmm I think they just closed their tech lines for the night, plus I would have to claw my way up to lvl 2 or 3 support before I got someone that would comprehend the word ipv6 |
| 07:14.28 | rsw^timeout | this song is epic |
| 07:14.29 | rsw^timeout | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=envL-K-HFHI |
| 07:14.41 | valdyn | Haraken: my isp has an internal ipv6 gateway that they dont advertise.. |
| 07:14.41 | babilen | rsw^timeout: and totally off topic |
| 07:14.46 | rsw^timeout | haha |
| 07:14.54 | Haraken | valdyn, weir |
| 07:14.55 | Haraken | d |
| 07:15.06 | valdyn | Haraken: obviously thats an advantage to have ( low ping ) |
| 07:15.10 | rsw^timeout | nobody can handle my topic of my problem tho :p |
| 07:15.47 | rsw^timeout | im stuck in the bussybox at boot aka bsbox :D |
| 07:16.07 | valdyn | Haraken: but in fact i do doubt that the support stuff even knows about it |
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| 07:16.58 | valdyn | Haraken: http://www.sixxs.net/pops/ |
| 07:17.06 | babilen | rsw^timeout: Are you sure that '/' is in fact ext3 and not the ext4 from ubuntu studio? The error you get seems to indicate something like that. |
| 07:17.11 | valdyn | Haraken: different providers should have similar lists |
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| 07:17.16 | Haraken | i see |
| 07:17.17 | Haraken | thanks |
| 07:17.32 | babilen | rsw^timeout: Apart from that - i have to get some milk and will be back in a second ;) |
| 07:18.10 | Mark_ | Haraken, tunnelbroker and sixxs are two popular tunnelbrokers |
| 07:18.12 | rsw^timeout | !reward |
| 07:18.13 | dpkg | We're glad you appreciate the help you've received in #debian! Please consider showing your appreciation by donating your time to help Debian (see http://www.debian.org/intro/help). |
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| 07:18.34 | rsw^timeout | i donate to the one that solves my problem :D |
| 07:18.40 | valdyn | Haraken: sixxs lets you jump thru some hoops, but they are decent |
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| 07:18.57 | Haraken | yeah I'm currently looking at tunnelbroker.net... trying to figure out where to sign up :) |
| 07:19.12 | Haraken | ah found it |
| 07:19.13 | babilen | rsw^timeout: Start by answering questions |
| 07:19.35 | Mark_ | tunnelbroker.net is my choice over sixxs as well |
| 07:19.47 | rsw^timeout | where is the ? |
| 07:19.48 | rsw^timeout | :D |
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| 07:20.54 | rsw | i get this after fresh install of lenny http://picpaste.com/screeny.png |
| 07:21.53 | liable | what fs did you use? did you use the standard installer? |
| 07:21.59 | rsw | yup |
| 07:22.05 | rsw | tried all the exts |
| 07:22.39 | valdyn | rsw: you are mounting an ext4 fs with the ext3 driver |
| 07:22.59 | liable | how did the standard lenny installer let him use ext4? |
| 07:23.08 | valdyn | it didnt, he converted |
| 07:23.10 | liable | thats what i was thinking |
| 07:23.16 | rsw | but before there was ubuntu studio wich was probably running ext4 could it be the other hd that im not booting from is interfering with the hd that im booting from |
| 07:23.20 | liable | unless he used kmutos or summin |
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| 07:23.38 | valdyn | rsw: thats a reasonable explanation |
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| 07:24.01 | rsw | else i got no idea cos i formated reformated zerod out mbr |
| 07:24.04 | rsw | nothing works |
| 07:24.25 | valdyn | rsw: your fstab is referring to /root where it should refer to / |
| 07:24.35 | rsw | but problem is on that hd im not using to boot from probably ext4 are my backup files on so cant just format that :s |
| 07:24.46 | rsw | yup dunno how that comes ether |
| 07:25.41 | rsw | only way i was able to get lenny booting up with mounting errors is when i pick the partitioner with lvm |
| 07:25.41 | valdyn | rsw: in your boot manager edit the root=/dev/sdb1 entry |
| 07:25.46 | rsw | to what then ? |
| 07:25.51 | valdyn | rsw: because lvm scans disks, and finds the right one |
| 07:25.57 | valdyn | rsw: probably sda1 |
| 07:25.58 | rsw | ah |
| 07:26.13 | rsw | no first hd is sdb second is sdc |
| 07:26.22 | rsw | dunno why |
| 07:26.39 | valdyn | rsw: first is sda, second sdb |
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| 07:26.51 | valdyn | rsw: first *was* sdb when you installed |
| 07:26.55 | rsw | k lets try and change it to a |
| 07:27.03 | rsw | yup it was |
| 07:27.11 | rsw | but doesnt hurt to try that |
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| 07:27.18 | valdyn | rsw: right |
| 07:27.44 | rsw | that would be weird it set wrong hd in grub |
| 07:27.57 | rsw | wel it not booting is even weirder :p |
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| 07:28.55 | rsw | mygod |
| 07:29.00 | rsw | thx !! |
| 07:29.02 | rsw | but |
| 07:29.11 | rsw | how is that possibe it picks other hd |
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| 07:30.19 | rsw | !wtf pick right hd |
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| 07:30.20 | dpkg | usage: wtf <foo>. |
| 07:30.39 | rsw | valdyn FTW |
| 07:30.42 | rsw | !ftw |
| 07:30.42 | dpkg | breaks into the front and goes FOR THE WIN |
| 07:30.49 | rsw | lmao |
| 07:31.41 | babilen | rsw: The ext3/ext4 problem has been pointed out to you yesterday - was that indeed the issue? |
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| 07:32.11 | rsw | for some reason it picked the wrong sd |
| 07:32.23 | rsw | even tho it installed to sdb |
| 07:32.30 | rsw | i have to boot from sda |
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| 07:34.26 | rsw | that it could be that simple xD |
| 07:34.40 | rsw | !drinks |
| 07:34.40 | dpkg | drinks are good |
| 07:34.46 | rsw | !for all |
| 07:34.58 | babilen | !bot abuse |
| 07:34.58 | dpkg | huddles in the corner, whimpering 'please, please stop' |
| 07:35.08 | rsw | !bot slap |
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| 07:35.44 | DogBoy | oh stop it, you guys, I'm crying I'm laughing so hard |
| 07:36.06 | rsw | tell that to the installer xD |
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| 07:38.50 | rsw | !wtf allin |
| 07:38.51 | dpkg | Gee... I don't know what allin means... |
| 07:39.22 | babilen | rsw: seriously - please stop abusing the bot (in public) |
| 07:39.38 | rsw | no shame overhere ? :D |
| 07:39.49 | rsw | need to get rid of frustrations |
| 07:39.50 | rsw | haha |
| 07:40.43 | rsw | can the bot kick me ? |
| 07:40.46 | rsw | D |
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| 07:47.05 | rsw | but i can do stuff now so i behave xD |
| 07:49.12 | ondrejk | rsw: if you want to play with bot, use query please - its annoying |
| 07:49.22 | rsw | whats that ? |
| 07:49.45 | ondrejk | rsw: /query dpkg |
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| 07:49.57 | b0fh_ua | Hello! Can somebody please help me with setting up VSFTPD and virtual users? http://pastebin.com/pxV4SRFm |
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| 07:52.42 | rsw | cookie |
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| 08:05.55 | [gnubie] | how can i log all the stdin/stdout for connections on my serial console? |
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| 08:06.46 | jelly-home | judd: info ttysnoop\ |
| 08:06.47 | judd | No record of package 'ttysnoop\' in lenny/i386. |
| 08:06.48 | ethanol | mornin' all |
| 08:06.49 | jelly-home | judd: info ttysnoop |
| 08:06.52 | judd | ttysnoop (admin, optional): TTY Snoop - allows you to spy on telnet+serial connections. Version: 0.12d-3; Size: 15.5k; Installed: 52k |
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| 08:10.59 | [gnubie] | judd: i'm using minicom here |
| 08:11.08 | [gnubie] | judd: let me check ttysnoop |
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| 08:12.35 | rsw | question do files copied from ext4 cause problems on older ext filesystems ? |
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| 08:14.33 | GNU\colossus | rsw: no; why should they? |
| 08:14.54 | GNU\colossus | rsw: unless they exceed the target filesystem's inherent maximum filesize, of course. |
| 08:15.03 | rsw | dunno cos its not fully suported in lenny and in shitbuntu it is xD |
| 08:15.12 | rsw | nah dont think so |
| 08:15.28 | rsw | all small files normaly |
| 08:15.42 | GNU\colossus | we'd have to be talking 8TB or more per file for ext3, iirc |
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| 08:16.11 | rsw | im not inc :D |
| 08:16.35 | rsw | !iirc |
| 08:16.36 | dpkg | IIRC, "IIRC" is an acronym for "If I Recall Correctly", or "If I remember correctly" |
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| 08:16.59 | rsw | dunno how to do it silent -__- |
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| 08:17.04 | GNU\colossus | hehe |
| 08:17.06 | Usama | hi, is it true that mlterm get installed for Hebrew in debian by default? |
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| 08:19.49 | freebird | hey you guys, I`ve manually saved a session with compiz started, but when I reboot, guess what ?? compiz is down |
| 08:19.53 | freebird | why ? |
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| 08:20.17 | babilen | rsw: You'll need a newer kernel (from backports for example) if you want to use ext4 |
| 08:21.15 | resmo | hi |
| 08:21.45 | rsw | nah have had trouble enough cos of that ext4 so no ty :D |
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| 08:24.08 | resmo | I would like to provide a deb package of a shell script, the normal deb packaging process seems to be to much overhead. Any hints how this can be done? |
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| 08:24.37 | babilen | resmo: dh_make does not cut it? |
| 08:24.50 | tarzeau | resmo: we use dphys-config |
| 08:25.00 | tarzeau | others use puppet |
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| 08:27.04 | resmo | tarzeau, puppet? just found http://www.puppetlabs.com/ but I guess you didn't mean this one |
| 08:27.12 | tarzeau | !puppet |
| 08:27.27 | tarzeau | resmo: try apt-cache show puppet |
| 08:27.38 | tarzeau | resmo: i found puppet to be very non-unix way of hard and painful config files |
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| 08:27.43 | streuner_ | dpkg, info puppet |
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| 08:27.53 | tarzeau | resmo: dphys-config (although the name sucks) is much more the unix way, and easily done |
| 08:28.18 | dpkg | puppet: (centralised configuration management for networks), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.25.4-6 (sid), Packaged size: 188 kB, Installed size: 516 kB |
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| 08:30.09 | babilen | tarzeau: How would dphys-config help with creating a Debian package? Or is this rather meant as: "You don't actually need to create a Debian package, but should distribute the script with puppet/dphys-config" ? |
| 08:30.22 | tarzeau | babilen: exactly |
| 08:30.29 | resmo | hmm |
| 08:30.29 | babilen | :) |
| 08:30.48 | tarzeau | babilen: we even stopped creating debian packages for 32/64 bit proprietary software like maple, mathematica, matlab and a like 20 others |
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| 08:31.04 | tarzeau | babilen: and just distribute the gb big tar.gz balls like they were config files with dphys-config |
| 08:31.11 | resmo | but I really want a deb package for sure |
| 08:31.24 | tarzeau | however we override/fix debian packages in our own debian repository |
| 08:31.34 | tarzeau | resmo: i'm sure you don't, but i'll let you figure out yourself |
| 08:31.47 | tarzeau | resmo: you already run your own repo? reprepro? |
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| 08:32.46 | rsw | !pro |
| 08:33.24 | freebird | you guys, is there a file, inside my debian lenny where I can just write `exec compiz` and compiz will automatically start at the beginning ? |
| 08:33.32 | freebird | it use to be that way before, I guess |
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| 08:34.20 | rsw | !compiz |
| 08:34.20 | dpkg | Compiz is a compositing window manager using OpenGL for rendering. It can run when <AIGLX> and the composite extension are enabled for your X server; see http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz for installation, configuration and usage details. Current state of Compiz (et al) in unstable can be found at http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/Compiz . http://www.compiz.org/ #compiz on irc.freenode.net. |
| 08:34.45 | babilen | rsw: please "/query dpkg" |
| 08:34.49 | huak | !reprepro |
| 08:34.49 | dpkg | i guess reprepro is a tool for managing a repository. See http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/286 for ideas of how to set it up for you own packages. http://blogs.cae.tntech.edu/mwr/2007/05/28/my-own-private-debian-repository/ |
| 08:35.09 | rsw | uhm /query dpkg !compiz or what |
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| 08:35.32 | rsw | not that familiar with irc bots |
| 08:35.36 | rsw | but i like em :D |
| 08:35.59 | freebird | rsw, it`s not really only about compiz, it`s about being able to start a program at start up |
| 08:36.10 | freebird | without having to create a script inside init.d |
| 08:36.11 | freebird | etc |
| 08:36.47 | babilen | freebird: That would be ~/.xsession or ~/.xinitrc (use ~/.xsession) |
| 08:37.05 | freebird | babilen, would a exec compiz do the job ? |
| 08:37.10 | freebird | at the end of this file |
| 08:37.12 | rsw | ah i got it :F |
| 08:37.57 | babilen | freebird: I have never used compiz - but from what i've heard you'll have to call something like "compiz --replace" within a suitable window manager (metacity for example) - Do you use gnome? |
| 08:37.59 | petern_ | that would be starting something up when X starts, not at system start up |
| 08:38.12 | freebird | babilen, kde |
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| 08:38.12 | babilen | petern_: correct |
| 08:38.30 | petern_ | if you want to start something on system start up, you can do it in your crontab with @reboot |
| 08:38.47 | freebird | patern_ actually doesn`t matter, I`m starting after kde is finished loading and works ok |
| 08:39.03 | freebird | what about the .xsession ? |
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| 08:39.20 | freebird | a exec compiz --replace at the end, had any chances of working |
| 08:39.25 | freebird | I guess I`ll giv it a try |
| 08:39.39 | petern_ | that will probably *only* load compiz, nothing else |
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| 08:39.55 | babilen | freebird: I'm sure KDE can automatically start programs once you start a new session. |
| 08:39.56 | freebird | petern_, that`s all I want |
| 08:40.30 | babilen | freebird: You don't want to start KDE at all? |
| 08:41.23 | freebird | babilen, I do, |
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| 08:42.02 | freebird | babilen, and also compiz, I`ve just found out that inside my /home/user directory doesn`t have a .xsession file, only a .xsession_erros file, why ? |
| 08:42.12 | petern_ | there is no .xsession file by default |
| 08:42.20 | freebird | should I create one ? |
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| 08:43.10 | freebird | ok, I created one, inserted inside exec compiz --replace |
| 08:43.16 | babilen | freebird: forget the ~/.xsession file - it is not the best solution to your problem. Search for "startup programs" in KDE's configuration and add "compiz --replace" as startup program |
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| 08:44.10 | freebird | babilen, the problem is that I can`t find that startup program at all |
| 08:44.39 | freebird | brb |
| 08:44.44 | babilen | freebird: Well - i'll neither use compiz nor kde - I'm sure it exists though |
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| 08:45.46 | babilen | Can i somehow see the README.Debian of a package i have not installed? |
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| 08:46.22 | rsw | manpages online ? |
| 08:46.52 | babilen | rsw: No - README.Debian (from /usr/share/doc/foo/) |
| 08:47.06 | rsw | ah was hoping to help but that i dunno :D |
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| 08:49.53 | streuner_ | babilen: download it and extract it? |
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| 08:50.54 | streuner_ | babilen: but, you need "ar" :-P |
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| 08:51.01 | babilen | streuner_: yeah sure - just wanted to ask if there is another way - I don't necessarily want to download every package mentioned in here just to read its README.Debian |
| 08:51.13 | freebird | back, I got a black screen with only a white cursor |
| 08:51.16 | babilen | streuner_: oh no - ar! (dpkg -x does the trick too) |
| 08:51.26 | streuner_ | hehe |
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| 08:51.49 | freebird | only able to get back to my desktop after I removed the .xsession file, even with the .xsession empty I was getting the blackout |
| 08:52.04 | babilen | freebird: Well - I told you what you *have* to do - You can also follow the approach outlined in http://www.nixser.com/2007/06/04/debian-compiz-on-kde-installation-how-to/) |
| 08:52.17 | streuner_ | babilen: maybe a nice new feature for our bots :-) |
| 08:52.30 | freebird | babilen, tks, I'll check on that |
| 08:52.33 | babilen | freebird: before doing that though - Read the README.Debian for compiz - it might just describe the way how to do that |
| 08:52.42 | freebird | ok, tks |
| 08:52.55 | petern_ | freebird, you did say you *only* wanted compiz |
| 08:53.03 | freebird | well, |
| 08:53.21 | babilen | freebird: http://itg.chem.indiana.edu/inc/wiki/software/168.html |
| 08:53.24 | freebird | petern_, everything else is already working, like kde and etc, so |
| 08:53.33 | freebird | petern_, all I need now is compiz, |
| 08:53.50 | freebird | ok, I'll read that, |
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| 08:54.22 | babilen | freebird: Or ask in #kde if there is a better way - The only thing you actually want right now is to run "compiz --replace" whenever you log into a nwe KDE session |
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| 08:54.23 | petern_ | 'username.kde' quality |
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| 08:55.00 | babilen | freebird: Ask in #kde and #compiz - after reading /usr/share/doc/compiz/README.Debian(.gz) |
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| 08:56.01 | petern_ | i tried compiz once. it was very shiny, but ultimately completely pointless. |
| 08:56.22 | babilen | petern_: But its ... ShInY!!! o_O |
| 08:57.06 | rsw | compizlicated |
| 08:57.30 | babilen | freebird: You might actually want to start kde-window-decorator --replace though |
| 08:57.34 | babilen | ah, gone already |
| 08:57.36 | babilen | well |
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| 08:59.04 | freebird | ok you guys, tks, inside ~/.kde/Autostart I created a file with this content, |
| 08:59.10 | freebird | and it worked just fine, tks a lot |
| 08:59.33 | rsw | debian support team roxx i must agree :D |
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| 09:01.13 | babilen | freebird: If you would have waited a little you would have been able to read: |
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| 09:01.18 | babilen | freebird: You might actually want to start kde-window-decorator --replace though |
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| 09:02.03 | babilen | freebird: It's in the compiz-kde package (read the README.Debian for that package as well) |
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| 09:03.54 | freebird | babilen, sorry to ask, but where would I start that ? |
| 09:04.09 | freebird | babilen, I mean the kde-window-decorator |
| 09:04.24 | babilen | freebird: It's "compiz --replace" for KDE |
| 09:04.25 | freebird | at the same file, inside .kde you mean ? |
| 09:04.40 | freebird | babilen, it does the same, doesn't it ? |
| 09:04.51 | freebird | I'm using kde |
| 09:04.52 | babilen | freebird: Just read the package description and its README.Debian |
| 09:05.09 | freebird | ok |
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| 09:28.32 | man_in_shack | waves |
| 09:29.05 | man_in_shack | can anyone suggest dvd playing software that doesn't break horribly with seamless branching? |
| 09:29.13 | man_in_shack | or is it more a libdvdnav issue? |
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| 09:30.09 | babilen | seamless branching? I found vlc to be a good choice .. |
| 09:30.19 | man_in_shack | vlc craps out on seamless branching |
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| 09:30.42 | man_in_shack | best one i've had so far is it flickering between two frames that are about 5-10 seconds apart |
| 09:30.48 | man_in_shack | as well as not being able to seek |
| 09:30.55 | man_in_shack | or at least, not reliably |
| 09:31.18 | man_in_shack | i can't get mplayer to play dvds for some mysterious reason |
| 09:31.40 | tbsaunde | 5 |
| 09:31.45 | tbsaunde | arg |
| 09:32.33 | babilen | man_in_shack: Well, you can try some of the other players too (gstreamer based ones like totem, xine, mplayer, ...). If it is indeed a problem with libdvdnav they are likely to behave the same though. I would ask this question in a more specific channel as well. |
| 09:32.53 | man_in_shack | #videolan hasn't been helpful |
| 09:33.05 | man_in_shack | totem and xine are laughably bad |
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| 09:33.06 | babilen | man_in_shack: #vlc might be a start - they probably know what is causing the issues or are glad that you reported it |
| 09:33.19 | man_in_shack | and mplayer doesn't work, as i said |
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| 09:34.00 | petern_ | i had most luck with xine and vlc |
| 09:34.02 | man_in_shack | totem doesn't deinterlace, xine doesn't even seem to handle menus properly |
| 09:34.14 | man_in_shack | though i was using gxine, not xine-ui |
| 09:34.48 | exu | man_in_shack, did you try compiling mplayer from source? I never liked the debian packages |
| 09:34.50 | babilen | man_in_shack: I agree with you - but I just don't see what #debian can do for you. *I* am not aware of another player and have not yet encountered that problem. Still think that some media-player gurus (tried #mplayer?) are more likely to be familiar with this problem |
| 09:35.08 | babilen | man_in_shack: You can also try th mplayer packages from debian-multimedia |
| 09:35.09 | exu | man_in_shack, could be css (dvd decrypt stuff) related |
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| 09:37.40 | babilen | man_in_shack: good luck - i would appreciate if you let us know when you've found a solution |
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| 09:41.10 | man_in_shack | exu, how? the dvd plays fine in vlc up to the seamless branch |
| 09:42.59 | exu | man_in_shack, mplayer iirc can use two different libs for dvd reading css and another one. maybe the debian package doesn't include the "right" one of the two |
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| 09:43.48 | exu | man_in_shack, just a gues off the top of my head |
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| 09:44.03 | freebird | man_in_shack, vlc always works for me, not sure about your problem, but give it a try |
| 09:44.07 | man_in_shack | vlc's newest deinterlace features are awesome |
| 09:44.14 | man_in_shack | freebird, give what a try? |
| 09:44.21 | freebird | vlc |
| 09:44.50 | man_in_shack | <man_in_shack> vlc craps out on seamless branching |
| 09:45.25 | freebird | man_in_shack, what's seamless branching ? sorry for the ignorance |
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| 09:46.18 | man_in_shack | dvd says "at this point, jump to either here or there, depending on some setting" |
| 09:46.26 | man_in_shack | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seamless_branching |
| 09:48.14 | man_in_shack | i wish they had used video angles for this instead |
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| 10:09.56 | antgel | i have a shell script in /etc/cron.daily that doesn't seem to get run, although it runs fine when i call it manually from the shell. any clue? |
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| 10:12.18 | antgel | hmm, it's not in run-parts --test --report /etc/cron.daily |
| 10:12.34 | antgel | the file is called foswiki.local, maybe it has an issue with the filename |
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| 10:13.32 | antgel | yep, full-stop not allowed according to man run-parts. that was fun |
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| 10:15.44 | themill | antgel: yeah, trap for the unwary, that one. |
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| 10:17.03 | Number5_ | hello guys, my self written daemon app creates a database file. In which directory should I put the database file? I mean according to the standard filesystem of Debian (or Linux in general)? |
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| 10:17.53 | f00li5h | Number5_: i want to say /var |
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| 10:18.04 | ham5 | x2 |
| 10:18.13 | idebug | anyone know for certain why dell poweredge servers blast the fan when it POSTs? Someone asked me this question and I seem to recall that it was because standard proceedure was to blast dust, in case it has accumulated somewhere, but I'm not 100% where i read that. |
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| 10:19.28 | Number5_ | f00li5h: so I would place my loggings and generated files in /var/mydaemon/mydb.sl3 and /var/mydaemon/messages.log ? |
| 10:19.32 | f00li5h | idebug: running fans before power management info is available does no harm... not running them could do harm |
| 10:19.33 | vsmatck | That's correct. If the fan is old and gunked it may not start if it starts at low power. |
| 10:19.46 | Number5_ | something like that? |
| 10:20.02 | ham5 | var/run or var/lib? |
| 10:20.10 | idebug | f00li5h makes sense, thanks |
| 10:20.25 | f00li5h | Number5_: get a directory for your daemon, then lef the config decide what it's called... default it to your daemon's name... |
| 10:20.30 | Number5_ | ham5: hmmm /var/run is nice too |
| 10:21.07 | f00li5h | isn't var/run for pid files? |
| 10:21.48 | Number5_ | f00li5h: yes, I just want to do it according to the standard, so things won't be messy. |
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| 10:25.55 | aksn | hi all |
| 10:26.08 | babilen | welcome |
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| 10:27.06 | aksn | I have a debian based web server running with JBoss + Apache, and sometimes it takes too long to answer, or even no answer at all; I'd like a tool to monitor and try to know the reason why this is happenning |
| 10:27.11 | aksn | any ideas please? |
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| 10:27.31 | ham5 | top ? |
| 10:27.34 | lisak | guys where can I set lifetime for ssh connection ? it always closes after some time |
| 10:27.53 | ham5 | etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 10:28.02 | aksn | ham5, the CPU and RAM are fine, I think it's somehow network-related |
| 10:28.04 | lisak | yes butr what parameter |
| 10:28.13 | petemc | lisak: thats likely to be something other than the ssh configuration, like a firewall |
| 10:28.34 | aw84 | aksn, sar, vmstat. |
| 10:28.58 | lisak | petemc, I have no iptables set |
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| 10:29.29 | lisak | maybe ISP does something to cut it after some time period |
| 10:29.31 | Trewas | lisak: setting ServerAliveInterval to some low value might help if firewall/nat is forgetting idle connections |
| 10:29.31 | petemc | lisak: are you traversing through a firewall or router? |
| 10:29.56 | lisak | great, thanks |
| 10:30.33 | Trewas | lisak: or actually ClientAliveInterval if set on the server side |
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| 10:31.32 | lisak | I don't know on which side is it...I either get the closing message, or it just freezes without any message |
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| 10:37.46 | lisak | that's nonsense actually :-) ok, I think that works...thanks |
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| 10:43.19 | Sandwolf9 | hi |
| 10:43.22 | omid8bimo | gimp.com ipv6 address is ::1 !!!! |
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| 10:45.45 | vsmatck | makes cliche joke. |
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| 11:11.05 | djahandarie | Hello... I've upgraded my packages, and it seems my xorg has been completely screwed. |
| 11:11.42 | djahandarie | It initalizes and the driver starts up, but nothing happens after that. |
| 11:11.53 | djahandarie | I have no idea where to start. |
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| 11:13.43 | djahandarie | It outputs a bunch of "No protocol specified." to the terminal |
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| 11:14.57 | hideo | djahandarie: check /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 11:15.31 | sourabh | how can i bypass a site through squid ? |
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| 11:16.10 | petemc | sourabh: you mean make it so one site isnt proxied? |
| 11:16.20 | sourabh | how can i bypass a site through squid |
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| 11:16.41 | petemc | much clearer.. |
| 11:16.49 | djahandarie | hideo, only strange things in there are that two modules failed to load... xv and glcore |
| 11:16.52 | Pierreb | anyone know if its possible to assign a IP adress to a specific user? |
| 11:16.57 | djahandarie | I'm not sure if either of those are actually required. |
| 11:17.03 | petemc | Pierreb: you can assign ip addresses to mac addresses |
| 11:17.05 | sourabh | the problem is that browser has proxy settings |
| 11:17.24 | sourabh | is there a way to bypass in squid itself |
| 11:17.25 | petemc | sourabh: if you dont control squid or the rules that force things through squid, you cant |
| 11:17.34 | hideo | djahandarie: I'm busy, but you should pastebin the log file here so other people can look at and help |
| 11:17.42 | sourabh | i am the administrator |
| 11:17.59 | sourabh | one of the site is not working through squid |
| 11:18.08 | sourabh | but directly it works |
| 11:18.17 | petemc | sourabh: do you use iptables to redirect port 80 to 3128 ? |
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| 11:18.32 | sourabh | no |
| 11:18.37 | petemc | then what do you do? |
| 11:18.55 | sourabh | there is proxy settings in browsers |
| 11:19.18 | sourabh | that is port 3128 |
| 11:19.31 | petemc | sourabh: you should read up on squids ability to exclude urls, then |
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| 11:20.05 | sourabh | ok |
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| 11:21.01 | sourabh | do u know any squid parameter |
| 11:21.01 | djahandarie | Okay. If anyone can help figure out how to resolve this xorg problem I would be extremely thankful... here is /var/log/Xorg.0.log http://pastebin.com/TFyJNy9C |
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| 11:21.21 | smellynoser | If I have a list of packages I need installing in a file, each package on a line, how am I best getting apt to install them? |
| 11:21.26 | smellynoser | I don't want to install them one by one if possible |
| 11:21.29 | petern_ | pastebin isn't working |
| 11:21.34 | djahandarie | Like I mentioned earlier, it initalizes and the driver seems to load (screen flickers, etc._, but nothing further happens. |
| 11:21.39 | smellynoser | I don't want to do for line in $file apt-get install $line |
| 11:21.46 | unixp | how can i use my hp psc printer for scan jobs? i only can use it to print. I use debian lenny 5.0.4 Xfce. I added the printer on CUPS etc. |
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| 11:22.44 | djahandarie | petern_, mine isn't? I did have to copy it over manually but that seems to be the correct url... |
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| 11:24.35 | djahandarie | Ugh, I should never upgrade my packages when I'm doing something important, stuff almost ALWAYS goes wrong |
| 11:25.53 | djahandarie | I am normally able to figure something out, but this time it has me stumped... I can't even find a good error message to google or anything |
| 11:26.09 | Sandwolf9 | unixp, did you tried xsane ? |
| 11:27.19 | unixp | Sandwolf9, no |
| 11:27.46 | Sandwolf9 | http://www.xsane.org/ |
| 11:27.58 | Sandwolf9 | aptitude search xsane |
| 11:28.30 | jelly | dpkg, tell unixp about sane |
| 11:28.36 | unixp | thx |
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| 11:29.36 | sourabh | help |
| 11:29.43 | sourabh | !help |
| 11:29.48 | tbsaunde | djahandarie: correct, you shouldn't upgrade when you need uptime |
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| 11:30.25 | Jenna | hiyall, anyone familiar with .udeb packaging ? I need to unpack, edit & repack the file. anyone knows how ? |
| 11:30.25 | tbsaunde | djahandarie: what is your problem? |
| 11:30.32 | sourabh | NO |
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| 11:31.09 | tbsaunde | no |
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| 11:31.20 | djahandarie | tbsaunde, X stopped working... it initializes and the driver seems to load, but then nothing happens after that, and "No protocol specified." is echoed to the terminal I called startx in a bunch of times. |
| 11:31.33 | djahandarie | Here is /var/log/Xorg.0.log http://pastebin.com/TFyJNy9C |
| 11:32.02 | jelly | Jenna: afaik, they're just normal .deb format, without cruft unneeded in the installer |
| 11:32.13 | jelly | dpkg, tell Jenna about udeb |
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| 11:32.47 | djahandarie | I would try to research more, but links is quite annoying to work with |
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| 11:33.44 | Jenna | jelly, thanx for that intro on .udeb. now I need to unpack, edit & repack the file. any idea ? |
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| 11:34.28 | tbsaunde | djahandarie: I'll take a look, but I don't know much about xorg configuration :( |
| 11:34.29 | jelly | Jenna: oh, you don't know how to do that with a .deb package? Do you have dpkg program at hand? |
| 11:35.01 | djahandarie | tbsaunde, okay, thanks, really anything helps, I'm at a total loss atm |
| 11:35.07 | tbsaunde | djahandarie: you can try purging xorg and then installing it, what exactly you'd need to purge I'm not sure |
| 11:35.20 | tbsaunde | djahandarie: I'll take a look |
| 11:35.21 | Jenna | jelly, I do have dpkg. |
| 11:36.12 | Jenna | jelly, I have extracted the files. but after making couple of change to the contents of .udeb I wish to repack it as .udeb |
| 11:36.12 | jelly | Jenna: dpkg --extract foo.deb foo && dpkg --control foo.deb foo/DEBIAN; edit stuff in foo/ directory; might be nice to bump the version in foo/DEBIAN/control to know you messed with it |
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| 11:36.47 | jelly | Jenna: dpkg -b foo . will build the package back. Rename if necessary |
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| 11:37.25 | Jenna | jelly, thanx indeed. leme cast that spell onto it & get back to u. |
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| 11:37.29 | tbsaunde | djahandarie: it looks like there is a problem with the glcore module, I have no idea what package that is, but reinstalling that package might help? |
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| 11:38.09 | djahandarie | tbsaunde, yeah, I saw that glcore and xv failed to load, but I didn't think they were the source of the problem since it wasn't fatal |
| 11:38.20 | djahandarie | I'll try to look into that more though |
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| 11:40.34 | thirdwheel | hey all, i've got the netboot images booting over PXE, but how do I tell it not to start the installer? |
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| 11:46.23 | thirdwheel | better question - what kernel parameters does the netboot initrd accept? |
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| 11:51.51 | omajgat | hi, i use fresh Lenny on vps, and why user cant login via sftp? Sftp work for root, and ssh work for user... |
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| 11:56.53 | petemc | omajgat: what does auth.log say? |
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| 11:58.50 | djahandarie | Ah, figured it out. It was apparently .Xauthority locking me out for some reason. |
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| 12:02.18 | omajgat | petemc: auth.log is empty ;x |
| 12:03.18 | petemc | omajgat: that doesnt sound good, any sshd messages in syslog? |
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| 12:06.01 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 12:06.01 | dpkg | <blistov> Debian 2.2. Telnet to Debian machine. I am connected to telnet, but am never presented a login prompt. Anyone know why? <jelly-home> telnetting to 1999 doesn't work |
| 12:06.14 | liable | heh |
| 12:06.27 | nkuttler | why would it not.. |
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| 12:11.10 | jelly | time machine not implemented yet |
| 12:11.18 | omajgat | petemc: nothing about ssh/sftp |
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| 12:12.45 | petemc | omajgat: check the Logging section of /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
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| 12:16.00 | amee2k | why does the resync speed of an md raid1 drop to like half its initial value over the last 30% of the sync process? |
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| 12:16.06 | Chaos|Baghdad | is there a channel here that would be good for WINE errors and troubleshooting? |
| 12:16.24 | petemc | omajgat: you can run sshd on an alternate port with extra debugging /msg dpkg debug sshd |
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| 12:20.13 | amee2k | it started out at ~110MB/s but dropped under 100MB by 50% progress and under 80MB by 80% |
| 12:20.27 | amee2k | now i'm at the verge of 90% and barely manage 60 |
| 12:20.52 | amee2k | when i sync'd an identical array, it dropped to under 50MB/s by the end of the process |
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| 12:22.41 | epsilon | amee2k: guess the hardware read/write limit of the disks |
| 12:22.52 | frostschutz | amee2k: hard disks are not same speed everywhere... they're faster at the beginning and get slower towards the end |
| 12:23.23 | epsilon | if you have 100MB/sec with current harddrive, be happy with that |
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| 12:24.35 | amee2k | well, its syncing with no other activity. initial resync |
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| 12:24.52 | amee2k | so its 99% sequential. i can't hear any seeks at all |
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| 12:25.25 | amee2k | frostschutz: hmm right. hdds are CAV drives :) |
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| 12:25.56 | amee2k | interresting. that'd mean they're written from the outside towards the inside |
| 12:26.02 | frostschutz | yes, they are |
| 12:26.26 | frostschutz | it's the other way around for cd/dvd |
| 12:26.32 | amee2k | yeah |
| 12:26.38 | frostschutz | because with cd/dvd, the outside is what dies first :) |
| 12:26.39 | raaf | hello - i going to buy printer - is there some database hardware working on/with debian (linux) ? |
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| 12:27.39 | jart | raaf: http://www.openprinting.org/printers |
| 12:27.39 | amee2k | raaf: all postscript capable printers will work out of the box, and iirc most PDF capable ones too |
| 12:28.08 | amee2k | i'd go for a refurb'd laserjet. |
| 12:28.14 | amee2k | well, actually i did :) |
| 12:28.26 | raaf | jart: amee2k: thank YOU :) |
| 12:28.28 | jart | amee2k: postscript laser printers are fun :) |
| 12:28.37 | jart | raaf: you're so welcome hehe |
| 12:28.42 | amee2k | :) |
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| 12:28.53 | JohnNew | I got a large CMS website WWW directory will all kind of files, and would like to efficiently archive this, how can i best do this? what format? |
| 12:29.04 | amee2k | pets his laserjet 2200dtn |
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| 12:29.24 | amee2k | with extra 500 sheet paper tray :) |
| 12:30.11 | frostschutz | JohnNew: tar is not good? maybe dar then? |
| 12:30.15 | jart | JohnNew: archive how? like backups? how about throw it all in a tarball with tar -cjvf www-archive.tar.bz2 /var/www ? |
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| 12:30.17 | amee2k | that one was the second printer i ever had that worked perfectly out of the box |
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| 12:30.59 | jart | amee2k: that's a beautiful printer, now i want one ._. |
| 12:31.05 | amee2k | hehe |
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| 12:31.27 | amee2k | the first one was an lj4 i got used |
| 12:31.37 | amee2k | but after two years it pulled in some shit and jammed |
| 12:32.00 | amee2k | and i couldn't find where. i completely dismantled it and it still insisted on paper jam |
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| 12:32.40 | amee2k | so i brought it to this refurb comp and got the 2200 for 50 and the old one as trade-in |
| 12:32.53 | jart | my first one... i was helping this woman in a wheelchair get a computer setup working with donated stuff. someone gave her this big laserjet that jammed now and then but she wanted a small color printer |
| 12:33.19 | jart | it ended up being a good trade :) |
| 12:33.35 | amee2k | hehe |
| 12:33.40 | amee2k | color printers are nice |
| 12:33.42 | amee2k | but expensive |
| 12:33.54 | amee2k | even if prices have dropped rapidly over the last couple years |
| 12:34.49 | amee2k | jart: if she still has it somewhere she can ask someone from a refurb comp to take a look |
| 12:34.50 | jart | yea, this was years ago though and i was sooo happy i could pipe data to my serial port and get beautifully crisp b/w letters |
| 12:35.07 | jart | and she was happy to print photos |
| 12:35.31 | amee2k | if you can find it before it critically jams, it is quite often easy to fix... probably just some worn paper feed or alignment stuff |
| 12:35.40 | petemc | serial port? it didnt use parallel? |
| 12:35.44 | jart | oh right lol |
| 12:35.54 | jart | slaps forehead |
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| 12:35.58 | jart | it's early on the east coast :) |
| 12:36.15 | amee2k | passes jart a mug of coffee |
| 12:36.23 | amee2k | here, have some psychoactive substances :) |
| 12:36.29 | jart | slurps delicious black liquid, eyes slowly open |
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| 12:37.07 | petemc | bit early for Jägermeister |
| 12:37.12 | amee2k | lol |
| 12:37.30 | amee2k | somehow most people don't seem to realize that caffeine is a psychoactive drug |
| 12:37.36 | petemc | could safely drink guinness i suppose |
| 12:38.03 | JohnNew | jart: yes, thanks |
| 12:38.29 | jart | coffee a psychoactive drug? are you calling me a junkie?! |
| 12:39.12 | JohnNew | jart: humnn ? |
| 12:39.15 | amee2k | lol |
| 12:39.22 | amee2k | well, it is :) |
| 12:40.00 | liable | bloody mary is the best breakfast drink :) |
| 12:40.08 | jart | :P |
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| 12:40.28 | jart | anyone know if the debian voip team is still active? |
| 12:40.46 | stockholm | ask paravoid |
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| 12:42.29 | jart | oh neat, there's 26 people in the debian-voip chat. j/w because i have a patch and not sure how to get it in the pipeline |
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| 12:45.24 | omajgat | petemc: i found auth.log as 'auth,authpriv.* -/var/logauth.log' in /etc/syslog.conf. And log show error after try logging via user: |
| 12:45.45 | omajgat | May 19 13:09:02 home sshd[11098]: pam_env(sshd:setcred): Unable to open env file: /etc/default/locale: No such file or directory |
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| 12:49.12 | omajgat | i use: update-locale but this dont help.... |
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| 12:49.57 | RichiH | huh.... |
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| 12:50.14 | RichiH | i see a process with pid 28219 in iotop, but not with ps aux |
| 12:50.42 | omajgat | http://pastebin.com/S8qZRgRz :/ |
| 12:50.45 | RichiH | no selinux or anything, ran the ps as root |
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| 12:52.18 | jelly | RichiH: recent ps hide threads |
| 12:52.28 | JohnNew | how can i see in proftpd what the current put through is? |
| 12:52.29 | JohnNew | how much mb's/sec are uploaded |
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| 12:53.49 | simNIX | with iftop you can listen on an interface - pressing p shows ports maybe that fits ? |
| 12:53.57 | JohnNew | sec |
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| 12:54.13 | JohnNew | command not found simNIX |
| 12:54.21 | simNIX | try |
| 12:54.28 | simNIX | aptitude install iftop |
| 12:54.43 | simNIX | it not in by defaault |
| 12:54.49 | JohnNew | ok |
| 12:54.53 | JohnNew | this is a good tool? |
| 12:55.19 | simNIX | this wil in console show breakout of which ip / port is pulling / pudshing how much |
| 12:55.29 | simNIX | it worth a try to see if it fits you |
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| 12:56.23 | simNIX | simply put it showes life what is goin in and out and at what speeds at a certain interface |
| 12:56.32 | simNIX | *live |
| 12:57.08 | JohnNew | simNIX: works nice |
| 12:57.19 | JohnNew | simNIX: I am in an office network, using this on a vm |
| 12:57.24 | JohnNew | and i see almost all ips in the network |
| 12:57.26 | JohnNew | coming through |
| 12:57.29 | JohnNew | this is correct? |
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| 12:57.32 | simNIX | yup |
| 12:57.47 | simNIX | p press adds ports |
| 12:57.53 | simNIX | and of top head n |
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| 12:58.03 | simNIX | gives numbers / or dns names |
| 12:58.30 | JohnNew | nice tool |
| 12:58.34 | JohnNew | wasn't aware of this one |
| 12:58.41 | JohnNew | this is the best standard tool in debian to show this?> |
| 12:58.47 | simNIX | i find it handy tool to fastly spot which ip /pot (program) is taking up most bw |
| 12:59.28 | simNIX | I asume there are more but since this fits ive not looked further |
| 13:00.07 | JohnNew | is there also a same sort of tool on windows? |
| 13:00.08 | simNIX | *pot=prog |
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| 13:00.43 | simNIX | I dont know one that does brake up - only aware of du meter which show totals |
| 13:00.44 | JohnNew | I recently had a system i worked on, where i suspected a hand made rk or other sort of malware was running, but i wasn't able to detect it, |
| 13:00.51 | JohnNew | not by a hand perl script, and not with any av |
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| 13:01.04 | JohnNew | and netstat didn't show anything at all |
| 13:01.18 | JohnNew | this tool would 100% show that traffic right? |
| 13:01.32 | simNIX | I would then put that box with for instance a cross cable to a second nic in my box and then route for it |
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| 13:01.43 | simNIX | then listen on interface with only that box |
| 13:01.49 | simNIX | and it should show |
| 13:01.50 | dlublink | hey, I use the sshfs command. How do I list the currently mount sshfs points ? |
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| 13:02.05 | simNIX | also in that case tcpdump and wireshark are worth looking at |
| 13:02.05 | JohnNew | simNIX: can i pm for a sec? |
| 13:02.14 | simNIX | df -h dbatbold |
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| 13:02.29 | simNIX | df -h dlublink |
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| 13:02.51 | simNIX | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:02.58 | jelly | dlublink: mount? df? cat /proc/mounts? |
| 13:03.08 | simNIX | pm is ok |
| 13:03.12 | ^shark_ | how does one install package dependancies with aptitude, trying to install squid3 with --enable-basic-auth-helpers=DB |
| 13:03.25 | dlublink | ok |
| 13:03.26 | dlublink | thx |
| 13:03.48 | dlublink | I did mount, but saw nothing. So I wasn't sure if it was not mounted or if sshfs was not included in mount |
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| 13:03.59 | abrotman | ^shark_: aptitude install squid3 |
| 13:04.19 | simNIX | normaly synaptic just pulls in all dependecies ^shark_ |
| 13:04.24 | jelly | dlublink: It's included, and be sure to do it as the user that ran sshfs in the first place. |
| 13:04.32 | denisss | hi, i wanted to install monodevelop, but i got version 1.0 ... they are launching 2.4 .. but i tried to update no way |
| 13:04.40 | dlublink | ok |
| 13:04.41 | dlublink | thanks |
| 13:04.41 | abrotman | denisss: which version of debian ? |
| 13:04.51 | ^shark_ | abrotman: i used aptitude install squid3 but the squid_db_auth dep didnt get installed!! |
| 13:04.56 | ^shark_ | abrotman: lenny |
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| 13:05.04 | abrotman | !tell denisss about bpo |
| 13:05.13 | denisss | i even dont understand what are all the mess about lenny sid and etch and all this mess about names? my mother told me a name i kept it until now |
| 13:05.13 | abrotman | ^shark_: doesn't sound like a dependency then |
| 13:05.58 | abrotman | !tell denisss about releases |
| 13:06.18 | ^shark_ | abrotman: probably a package i must install but i don't know which!! :( |
| 13:06.30 | denisss | well, no there another thing ... blackports ... why when i install mono i dont have a story of all what i need to do to upgrade? |
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| 13:06.52 | abrotman | denisss: read what the bot told you |
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| 13:07.11 | abrotman | ^shark_: for what kind of DB? |
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| 13:07.28 | ^shark_ | abrotman: mysql |
| 13:07.41 | abrotman | ^shark_: it's possible the package isn't in debian |
| 13:08.00 | denisss | bot told me : blackports!! semi-official !! repository !!! in the first sentence there are 3 notions that have no meaning to me |
| 13:08.10 | abrotman | no .. that is not what the bot told you |
| 13:08.10 | ^shark_ | abrotman: yeah, but this leaves me still stuck mate |
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| 13:08.58 | abrotman | denisss: read what the bot told you again, then go to http://backports.org/ and read the instructions there |
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| 13:09.25 | denisss | i did not read the sentence entierely, there are more : curent stable ??? made by debian developpers ??? after having read the first sentence you can imagine that it is not for me |
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| 13:09.39 | abrotman | oh .. that person again |
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| 13:10.18 | jelly | denisss: if you get easily confused by slang, perhaps you shouldn't use Linux |
| 13:10.28 | denisss | i dismiss, too stupid |
| 13:10.43 | abrotman | jelly: i think it's the same guy that was being goofy yesterday |
| 13:10.54 | denisss | i suppose you you keep things between yourselves |
| 13:11.03 | jelly | abrotman: can I be Pluto? |
| 13:11.12 | abrotman | jelly: only if themill is Minnie |
| 13:11.29 | petern_ | irc bots, eh? |
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| 13:12.54 | denisss | you think it is the same guy, but it is not, you are the same idiots, shat should not be alowed to adress public |
| 13:13.04 | abrotman | denisss: if you don't like Debian, you don't have to use it |
| 13:13.12 | abrotman | !fr |
| 13:13.13 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net. |
| 13:13.17 | denisss | 10 yers to reapeat sme stupidities |
| 13:13.22 | efaistos | hmmm how many cards can you use with bonding ? |
| 13:13.32 | abrotman | efaistos: are you trying to use more than two? |
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| 13:14.35 | abrotman | ^shark_: could you instead use the ldap or pam modules? |
| 13:14.47 | wols | denisss: may I suggest you use ubuntu? please? that's a distro made for normal people. "linux for the rest of us" I think it's called |
| 13:15.09 | Stereo | denisss: yunno, I was born without knowing what sarge was, yet I learned somehow |
| 13:15.16 | denisss | blackports!! semi-official !! repository !!! debian developpers ... seems you cant debug your mess, it last for 10 years now! |
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| 13:15.32 | efaistos | abrotman: i stumbled upon this article http://www.howtoforge.com/network_bonding_ubuntu_6.10 and apprently they use three but I thought it was two only |
| 13:15.36 | amphi | mmm, blackports |
| 13:15.42 | abrotman | denisss: please read what the bot told you again, and perhaps you should ask in #debian-fr, your english is not very good. |
| 13:16.01 | abrotman | efaistos: i guess i don't see a reason why not. |
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| 13:16.46 | efaistos | denisss: whats your issue ? |
| 13:17.03 | wols | bad digestion efaistos. very very bad constipation |
| 13:17.13 | abrotman | efaistos: he cannot speak in the channel anymore, hopefully he's reading instead |
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| 13:17.43 | ^shark_ | abrotman: i will give it a shot |
| 13:17.56 | efaistos | wols: :) |
| 13:18.07 | efaistos | he quits ... finally ;à|
| 13:18.08 | efaistos | :) |
| 13:18.23 | abrotman | ^shark_: IIRC there's also a way to plug PAM into MySQL, which might help you, i don't know your entire situation |
| 13:18.58 | jelly | efaistos: I've set up bonding with 4x1Gbps so far |
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| 13:19.29 | ^shark_ | abrotman: i wanted plain mysql + squid3 but if PAM can also use mysql then i will look into it also, many thanks |
| 13:19.30 | jelly | efaistos: probably depends on the switch capabilities as well |
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| 13:20.38 | kamathln | Hi, I want to know who generates and who reads /etc/fonts/ |
| 13:21.24 | jordanm | kamathln: apt-file search /etc/fonts |
| 13:21.28 | efaistos | jelly, abrotman : apparently no limit excepts your server and switch limits http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/marcelo/linux-2.4/Documentation/networking/bonding.txt |
| 13:21.42 | efaistos | even if its for 2.4 kernels should be the same in 2.6 |
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| 13:22.00 | omajgat1 | Anyone know why cant i login to sftp via user? WinSCP error: 'Cannot initialize SFTP protocol. Is the host running a SFTP server?'? Auth.log: http://pastebin.com/S8qZRgRz |
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| 13:22.34 | jordanm | omajgat1: well... do you have sftp enabled in sshd_config? |
| 13:22.38 | jelly | efaistos: the card drivers are important too, I'm not sure if you can mix and match different vendors |
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| 13:22.54 | jelly | eg. bond a tg3 and an e1000 driven card |
| 13:24.06 | omajgat1 | jordanm: 'Subsystem sftp /usr/lib/openssh/sftp-server', and sftp work via root |
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| 13:26.32 | kamathln | jordanm: Interesting. Thanks. My original intention is to learn how my gnome knows to use a particular font for my local language, even if sans-serif is just mapped to Bitstream Vera Sans |
| 13:26.45 | jordanm | omajgat1: does your user have dotfiles (e.g. .bash_profile), that would not process well in a non-interactive shell? |
| 13:27.10 | kamathln | jordanm: Till now, I could get that pango and fontconfig are involved in the scene as well |
| 13:27.20 | jordanm | kamathln: a gnome devel channel might be more helpful with that |
| 13:27.22 | kamathln | jordanm: still no exact picture though |
| 13:27.49 | kamathln | jordanm: okie .. As I am using Debian I sawe that Defoma does a lot of things, hence I am here |
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| 13:29.44 | jordanm | kamathln: yes, very possible |
| 13:30.10 | jordanm | kamathln: looks like there is #gnome-debian on the gnome irc network |
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| 13:31.14 | kamathln | jordanm: thanks for the tip.. just came from debian irc network after checking if there is a defoma irc channel |
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| 13:32.09 | jordanm | kamathln: I didn't know about defoma. the manpage is rather odd as it is a man1 (user commands), yes includes C documentation |
| 13:32.11 | rzeka | How can I install a module for webmin? I've got .wbm package now |
| 13:32.22 | jordanm | !webmit |
| 13:32.24 | jordanm | !webmin |
| 13:32.24 | dpkg | Webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." See http://bugs.debian.org/343897 about the removal from Debian. Don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality. |
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| 13:33.04 | efaistos | jelly: thanks for the info :) |
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| 13:37.43 | DASPRiD | does somebody know an application to map a com port to a tcp port? |
| 13:37.48 | the-dude | are we "talking" about webmin again *g* |
| 13:38.49 | nsadmin | how do you mean "map" |
| 13:39.09 | wols | DASPRiD: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COM_port_redirector#Open_source_solutions |
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| 13:39.44 | lindi- | DASPRiD: that seems to omit ser2net which is what I use |
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| 13:41.57 | HandyGandy | When top reports %mem, does anyone know if that is % of total memory or % of memory used? |
| 13:41.58 | Jenna | jelly, u there ? |
| 13:42.46 | dlublink | Thanks, the sshfs file system appears in both df -h and mount |
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| 13:42.49 | Jenna | jelly, dpkg -b rootskel-gtk creates the .deb file & not the .udeb file that I need . how do I create .udeb out of it ? |
| 13:42.57 | jordanm | HandyGandy: % of total memory. you might find "htop" more useful |
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| 13:43.36 | jargon- | is it possible to copy all 5+1 lenny images to USB and install a debian system without network connection/ |
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| 13:44.47 | jordanm | jargon-: you can install debian without a network connection using the netinst or cd1 |
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| 13:45.26 | jordanm | jargon-: the current debian usb install method only allows for the netinst |
| 13:45.31 | jargon- | jordanm: it keeps trying to Get packages from security.debian.org,though |
| 13:45.58 | Jenna | dpkg -b rootskel-gtk creates the .deb file & not the .udeb file that I need . how do I create .udeb out of it ? any ideas ? anyone ? |
| 13:45.59 | dpkg | Jenna: You are person #1 to send an unparseable request |
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| 13:46.03 | jordanm | jargon-: it should not result in failure |
| 13:46.29 | abrotman | why are you trying to build a udeb at all? |
| 13:46.36 | jargon- | jordanm: it gives Temporary failure,and then i plug back the rj45 |
| 13:46.56 | Jenna | abrotman, I need to customize the debian-installer frontend |
| 13:47.01 | nsadmin | Jenna: one thing that creates udebs is the build process of debian-installer... see how it does it... |
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| 13:47.19 | nsadmin | I bet you'll find you need a different tool |
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| 13:47.55 | Jenna | nsadmin, different tool ? |
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| 13:48.40 | Jenna | building the whole thing seems pointless as it uses lots of other .udebs as well. I need to make changes to only this one. |
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| 13:49.05 | nsadmin | the building of it is scripted |
| 13:49.11 | nsadmin | you can look at the scripts |
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| 13:49.40 | jargon- | alternatively,can i simply install from dvd1 and then dump 2-5 in /var/cache/apt/archives for future package installations? |
| 13:50.15 | spo0nman | Hi, how can i redirect foo.example.com to example.com/a.php?id=foo using apache rewrite rules? |
| 13:50.23 | nsadmin | there's kernel-wedge which takes a kernel image out of which it makes lots of udebs |
| 13:50.31 | jordanm | spo0nman: #httpd |
| 13:50.46 | spo0nman | jordanm: oke. |
| 13:50.49 | jordanm | spo0nman: you might just want a html redirect however |
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| 13:51.16 | spo0nman | jordanm: nope. foo is dynamic |
| 13:51.42 | Jenna | nsadmin, theres got to be a more sane way to go about it. |
| 13:51.43 | nsadmin | the DYNAMISM of foo! |
| 13:52.18 | spo0nman | nsadmin: heh! |
| 13:52.28 | pzn | I have debian 5.0 amd64. one HD with LVM, this lvm has some partitions. how can I limit the disk-io-rate of a single lvm partition? when people do backup to this partition, all things gets tooooo slow, I need to slow down disk io to this partition. is this possible? |
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| 13:52.45 | nsadmin | Jenna I'm being indirect with you because I don't know the tool that does it |
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| 13:53.23 | Shapeshifter | Hello. I'm trying to install KDE4 on this ARM device just for laughs. Problem is that there's some sort of dependency issue. there's a trail kde->kdebase->....->libsasl2-modules, "Depends: libsasl2-2 (=2.1.22.dfsg1-23+lenny1) but 2.1.23.dfsg1-3 is to be installed." And there's others like this one. |
| 13:53.28 | Jenna | nsadmin, sure. np. thanx for talk though |
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| 13:54.15 | jelly | Jenna: it's the same format... have you tried renaming the package file? |
| 13:54.18 | Shapeshifter | some easy way of fixing this? |
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| 13:55.13 | nsadmin | Shapeshifter: what dist are you running and does sources.list have mixed sources |
| 13:55.22 | HandyGandy | Ok. I top is reporting I am using 98% of my memory, but top is showing that all process that use more then 0,1% of memory add up to 44%. Where is the rest of it going? |
| 13:55.34 | jordanm | Shapeshifter: you can't install kde4 in lenny. you need to upgrade to testing (not recommended) |
| 13:55.41 | silidan | hi, where can i find the kernel related sound specialists? |
| 13:56.03 | Shapeshifter | jordanm: oh okay. thanks |
| 13:56.11 | jordanm | HandyGandy: disk caching? what does free -m say? |
| 13:56.13 | abrotman | Shapeshifter: aptitude update && aptititude full-upgrade .. try again |
| 13:56.22 | Shapeshifter | nsadmin: it's a debian chroot on maemo5. |
| 13:56.33 | Jenna | nsadmin, yeah dpkg -b foo created. .deb And I mv 'ed it to .udeb but ti didnt work |
| 13:56.47 | nsadmin | why didn't it work? |
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| 13:57.27 | amee2k | for an athlon64 i'd use powernowd to enable dynamic frequency scaling and power saving, right? |
| 13:57.28 | HandyGandy | Oops sorry that was more then I thought. |
| 13:57.46 | jargon- | alternatively,can i simply install from dvd1 and then dump 2-5 in /var/cache/apt/archives for future package installations? |
| 13:58.32 | jordanm | jargon-: I have never used the DVDs but I would assume DVD1 covers cd1-5 |
| 13:58.44 | JohnNew | how to see the amount of mb/s that is going through with IFTOP ? |
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| 13:59.31 | jordanm | unless you mean 2-5 of the DVDS... then you could do that, although, there is likely better place than /var/cache/apt/archives (which would get wiped on aptitude autoclean) |
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| 14:00.23 | nsadmin | I'm wondering why it's trying to go to security.d.o on a netinst |
| 14:00.42 | jargon- | jordanm: yes i mean dvd 2-5. where should i dump them/ |
| 14:01.03 | lindi- | jargon-: doesn't sound like a good idea. better just rsync the mirror? |
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| 14:01.51 | jargon- | lindi-: u mean i would need to upgrade anyway, when i install a package that way? |
| 14:02.23 | Jenna | nsadmin, dont know. it hasn't shown the changes I made. just weird. maybe it has fetched newer/updated version from online while installing. |
| 14:02.24 | lindi- | jargon-: well in the future there will be upgrades. if you want to keep a local copy of the archive then rsync is probably easiest way to keep it up to date |
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| 14:02.42 | jargon- | lindi-: i see what u mean. ok |
| 14:02.43 | Jenna | nsadmin, btw Im using live-helper on lenny for building distro. |
| 14:02.47 | nsadmin | Jenna: sounds possible |
| 14:02.52 | lindi- | jargon-: i use it to keep a local copy of all source packages |
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| 14:03.47 | nsadmin | jargon-, I kinda lost sight of your overall goal |
| 14:04.29 | JohnNew | in iftop, i see a lot connections looking like netbios-dgm, what does this mean? |
| 14:04.33 | nsadmin | is it "to install onto a machine that won't have net during install but will be set up later"? |
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| 14:05.08 | jargon- | nsadmin: whenever i try to install lenny it takes hours, because it's getting the packages from the internet. i'm trying to install a server with basic packages installed. |
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| 14:05.40 | banished | Hi, will cdrecord 3.0 be in experimental? |
| 14:05.42 | jargon- | nsadmin: it will be connected,but with my bandwidth, a debian installation takes ages :-( |
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| 14:05.58 | nsadmin | so, because it takes hours to download, you want to download the cd/dvd images |
| 14:06.07 | nsadmin | which would take hours? |
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| 14:06.36 | JohnNew | in iftop, i see a lot connections looking like netbios-dgm, what does this mean? |
| 14:06.43 | peper | how could i verify that a box is running debian if there is no access to /etc? |
| 14:06.56 | jargon- | nsadmin: no,i already have 1-5 dvd images stored locally |
| 14:06.59 | peper | any specific binaries in /usr/bin or /usr/sbin? |
| 14:07.03 | jargon- | nsadmin: from a year ago, though |
| 14:07.12 | nsadmin | lenny? |
| 14:07.16 | jargon- | yeah |
| 14:07.22 | jargon- | 5.0.1 |
| 14:07.30 | nsadmin | why not write them to dvds? |
| 14:07.40 | jargon- | nsadmin: in progress |
| 14:07.46 | petemc | peper: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1 |
| 14:07.50 | nsadmin | oh, ok |
| 14:08.13 | jargon- | nsadmin: what i'm trying to understand is how to proceed after burning them |
| 14:08.24 | nsadmin | boot the first one |
| 14:08.24 | jargon- | nsadmin: do i use them during or after installation? |
| 14:08.46 | nsadmin | the installer should be on dvd1 |
| 14:08.46 | kamathln | jargon-: looks like i need to explore Xft as well :/ |
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| 14:08.53 | peper | petemc: thanks, no dpkg |
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| 14:09.06 | peper | now i suspect it's arch linux as i found makepkg which is a part of pacman |
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| 14:11.20 | jargon- | nsadmin: at one point during the installation,i get a prompt that asks if i would like to add DVDs. is that where i remove dvd1 and put in dvd2? |
| 14:11.47 | nsadmin | no, follow the prompts, say yes to start with |
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| 14:12.17 | junky[ins4n3] | hello |
| 14:12.26 | junky[ins4n3] | is this ubuntu debian? |
| 14:12.41 | nsadmin | ubuntu and debian are two different things |
| 14:12.45 | Da_Wrecka | lights junky[ins4n3] on fire in greeting |
| 14:12.47 | silidan | no thid is debian the base and workhorse of ubuntu |
| 14:13.15 | junky[ins4n3] | can i ask ubuntu related questions? |
| 14:13.22 | simonrvn | no |
| 14:13.25 | nsadmin | no, #ubuntu |
| 14:13.28 | junky[ins4n3] | srry |
| 14:13.29 | silidan | no, but you can ask debian related questions |
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| 14:13.38 | nsadmin | thanks for asking tho. |
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| 14:13.48 | junky[ins4n3] | like about apt-get install? |
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| 14:14.10 | simonrvn | ubuntu debian doesn't exist. 2 different distros. |
| 14:14.20 | jargon- | nsadmin: ok, i'll try that. |
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| 14:14.31 | junky[ins4n3] | if i run apt-get install --no-download it asks me to download even if there are packages in /var/cache/apt/archives...... how do i solve it |
| 14:14.37 | themill | junky[ins4n3]: you're already in #ubuntu so you've already found the right place for you to ask your ubuntu questions. |
| 14:14.49 | junky[ins4n3] | no one's answering |
| 14:14.50 | busfahrer | Excuse me, is it correct that in a default install of Debian 5.0, the port 111 (rpcbind) is open? |
| 14:14.59 | nsadmin | jargon-, I think it will -lead- to that if you say "yes I do want to add dvds" |
| 14:15.14 | epsilon | busfahrer: nope |
| 14:15.33 | wols | epsilon: portmapper is usually installed tho |
| 14:15.41 | wols | and IIRC port 111 is open |
| 14:15.55 | busfahrer | wols: Is that a vulnerable service? |
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| 14:16.00 | wols | busfahrer: however, there is no such stupid thing as a "default install" |
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| 14:16.11 | nsadmin | there's not really a "default install", you have debian, and you have the base packages, and you have some other packages |
| 14:16.12 | wols | busfahrer: no, but unless you use NFS you can remove it |
| 14:16.20 | themill | or fam |
| 14:16.29 | busfahrer | wols: It really just maps numbers to strings, right? |
| 14:17.00 | busfahrer | Do I need it if I have exim4 running to listen only on 127.0.0.1? AFAIK that shouldnt open a port |
| 14:17.06 | busfahrer | externally |
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| 14:17.36 | nsadmin | exim and rpcbind should have nothing to do with each other |
| 14:18.02 | nsadmin | so the answer should be no |
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| 14:18.26 | wols | busfahrer: if something listens, no matter where you opened a port |
| 14:18.27 | zarkass | lenny 64 bits install (standard, with gnome) on a hp Z800 bixeon workstation : it works but the machine hang when closing the session. CTRL-ALT F2 doesn't give a console. It seem's that gdm can't give back the login screen. Any pointer on this issue ? Many thanx in advance. |
| 14:18.48 | wols | zarkass: X video driver perhaps? |
| 14:19.13 | nsadmin | so there must be a reason something lis listening on that port, and that reason is usually because a package was installed with software that starts listening on that port |
| 14:20.09 | JohnNew | when checking with 'iftop' I see on some computers of my network there is traffic going to 224.0.0.251 and back from those computers, question is |
| 14:20.12 | amphi | zarkass: which kernel? |
| 14:20.20 | JohnNew | Why does my interface sees this in 'iftop' ? |
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| 14:20.29 | wols | nsadmin: no. rpc.bind is the only thing running. at most you could say it's like inetd: infrastructure which you might want |
| 14:20.50 | wols | JohnNew: sounds like multicast |
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| 14:21.41 | JohnNew | wols: how cani see? |
| 14:21.41 | nsadmin | wols: so rpc.bind is running because inetd is installed? or because a separate thing is also installed? |
| 14:21.45 | zarkass | amphi: the kernel provided by default at install (sorry I don't have hands on the machine right now) |
| 14:22.03 | wols | nsadmin: neither. it is installed cause the debian gods willed it |
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| 14:22.32 | nsadmin | well that would make things a bit hard to debug :P |
| 14:22.35 | amphi | zarkass: it might be worth checking whether it's the dreaded -trunk kernel; that gave me similar problems. If it is, you should upgrade it |
| 14:22.35 | nsadmin | L) |
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| 14:22.53 | wols | JohnNew: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multicast_address it's zeroconf. as a first step: terminate avahi. with extreme prejudice. then nuke it frm orbit and salt the earth |
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| 14:23.24 | nsadmin | , file rpc.bind |
| 14:23.25 | zarkass | amphi: thanx I'will give a try tomorrow |
| 14:23.26 | judd | No packages were found with that file. |
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| 14:24.05 | nsadmin | , file rpcbind |
| 14:24.08 | judd | No packages were found with that file. |
| 14:24.30 | nsadmin | is it a kernel module or something? |
| 14:24.41 | jelly | nsadmin: what are you trying to find? |
| 14:24.52 | nsadmin | rpc.bind! |
| 14:25.14 | nsadmin | hey that rhimd! |
| 14:25.24 | wols | nsadmin: it could be part of the "standard" tasksel task maybe |
| 14:25.58 | nsadmin | wols: I must not be asking for the correct file name |
| 14:26.50 | jelly | nsadmin: why? |
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| 14:27.09 | nsadmin | jelly: seriously... someone asked "why is something listening at 111" |
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| 14:27.24 | nsadmin | jelly: and someone said because rpc.bind is running |
| 14:27.37 | jelly | nsadmin: try calling it "portmap" |
| 14:27.53 | nsadmin | ohh so he has portmap installed |
| 14:28.26 | nsadmin | and so the rpc.bind -functionality- is in portmapper? |
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| 14:29.13 | jelly | portmap _is_ [the service providing functionality that other OSes might have] rpcbind [for] |
| 14:29.45 | jelly | eg, Solaris: rpcbind 210 root 6u IPv4 0xd1c79c5c 0t0 TCP *:sunrpc (LISTEN) |
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| 14:30.14 | nsadmin | so it looks like rpcbind in the listing... but it's portmap that sets it up |
| 14:30.16 | jelly | Linux: portmap 1501 daemon 5u IPv4 6374 TCP *:sunrpc (LISTEN) |
| 14:31.07 | nsadmin | at least under linux |
| 14:31.09 | JohnNew | i see a connection in 'iftop' that does not show in netstat -an, i want to find out what process connects to this ip, how i do this? |
| 14:31.26 | jelly | JohnNew: connection? |
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| 14:31.51 | JohnNew | jelly: yes |
| 14:32.01 | nsadmin | can you get iftop to show process ids? |
| 14:32.02 | wols | JohnNew: is there avahi? |
| 14:32.12 | nsadmin | , file portmap |
| 14:32.14 | judd | portmap in lenny/i386: portmap: etc/init.d/portmap, sbin/portmap |
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| 14:32.59 | jelly | JohnNew: I mean, what kind of connection? |
| 14:33.05 | JohnNew | jelly: port 80 |
| 14:33.14 | JohnNew | to some theplanet ip |
| 14:33.17 | ryoohki | is this the right channel to ask an apt-get question? in the red hat world, the are software groups so you can just "yum grouplist ; yum groupinstall 'Group Name'" ; i know apt-get has this too, so "apt-get install kde" works ; my question is "how do i list these software groups?". is this the right channel for that? |
| 14:33.17 | JohnNew | wonder what it is |
| 14:33.19 | nsadmin | webby |
| 14:34.15 | themill | ryoohki: these are packages provided by your distro. Ask in #ubuntu what they are. |
| 14:34.20 | nsadmin | ryoohki: it's not groups, it's relations between packages |
| 14:35.00 | nsadmin | and you can apt-get install (something) and then say no |
| 14:35.01 | ryoohki | nsadmin: i know this since i once "apt-get install kde" |
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| 14:35.14 | JohnNew | jelly: wols nsadmin , yes |
| 14:35.19 | nsadmin | you know what? |
| 14:35.22 | JohnNew | jelly: wols nsadmin , but i am not browsing in any way with this system |
| 14:35.39 | themill | ryoohki: please ask in #ubuntu. We don't know what metapackages they provide. |
| 14:36.14 | nsadmin | oh, metapackages... which depend on a bunch of other packages |
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| 14:36.36 | nsadmin | for which my initial comment applies: |
| 14:36.42 | nsadmin | ryoohki: it's not groups, it's relations between packages |
| 14:36.50 | wols | JohnNew: irrelevant. 224.0.0.251 is zeroconf mDNS |
| 14:36.55 | ryoohki | nsadmin: i'm pretty sure there is a whole slew of these related packages and i would like to ask apt-get for the list |
| 14:37.06 | JohnNew | wols: i ment, the the planet address that shows up very constant every few secs |
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| 14:37.09 | xro_ | hi, i have a server that have a gui... how can i close the gui when the server is running without risk? |
| 14:37.16 | themill | ryoohki: #ubuntu is over there ---> |
| 14:37.23 | JohnNew | wols: the address i could not see in netstat -an but could see in iftop |
| 14:37.46 | jelly | JohnNew: sorry, I can't understand what you're asking about. Please be less vague than "port 80", give more details, perhaps pastebin of the whole output. |
| 14:38.12 | JohnNew | jelly: how can i record iftop contents ? |
| 14:38.15 | JohnNew | at 1 moment |
| 14:38.37 | nsadmin | themill: how have you determined the question he asked is ubuntu-related? |
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| 14:39.22 | nsadmin | I don't see anything in what he said |
| 14:39.25 | themill | nsadmin: because he asked exactly the same question in #ubuntu and tried to pass it off in here as a "general apt-get question". |
| 14:39.25 | stegbth | Hallo |
| 14:40.00 | nsadmin | oh, and so now both channels can point at the other, not knowing what he has :) |
| 14:40.00 | jelly | themill: so you're spying out in #u, eh?!? |
| 14:40.04 | stegbth | wie bekomme ich die pid von einem laufenden Shellscript? |
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| 14:40.13 | jelly | !de |
| 14:40.13 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). |
| 14:40.19 | JohnNew | actually better, how can i capture specific traffic going to that ip with tcpdump? |
| 14:40.32 | stegbth | habe merhere Scripts mit der ksh am laufen und muss davon bestimmte beenden |
| 14:40.44 | stegbth | pidof fkt. wegen ksh nicht |
| 14:41.03 | joshteam | i have a site folder /var/www/sites/foo << and I want to give full read / write / execute access to 5+ people ... is making a group, and then adding all people to the group the best way of doing this? |
| 14:41.26 | joshteam | (and then giving the group r/w/e) |
| 14:41.42 | nsadmin | probably if the filesystem has unix semantics |
| 14:41.53 | stegbth | sorry, wrong channel |
| 14:42.24 | nsadmin | and then chgrping the folder to that group |
| 14:43.02 | nsadmin | I would also turn on the setgid bit for that folder |
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| 14:43.56 | JohnNew | i would like to capture traffic with tcpdump to a file, and later read that file out with wireshark, how can i dthis best? |
| 14:44.21 | joshteam | nsadmin: thanks, i'll google setgid |
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| 14:44.43 | djura-san | o/ |
| 14:44.46 | nsadmin | chgrp is probably root only too |
| 14:45.42 | jelly | JohnNew: man tcpdump will tell you about -w, and -s and -n options as well |
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| 14:47.39 | joshteam | nsadmin: i have sudo - so that should be okay, unless you are inferring something else? |
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| 14:47.58 | nsadmin | sudo ought to work |
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| 14:51.35 | silidan | was there a debian release before sarge? |
| 14:51.42 | petemc | woody |
| 14:51.43 | gravity | oy |
| 14:51.51 | silidan | when was woody released? |
| 14:51.58 | gravity | after potato |
| 14:51.58 | nsadmin | , codenames |
| 14:52.00 | petemc | off to debian.org with you |
| 14:52.04 | jelly | dpkg, tell silidan about release history |
| 14:52.26 | xro_ | hi, i have a server that have a gui... how can i close the gui when the server is running without risk? nobody could help me? |
| 14:52.59 | silidan | ok where can i get a iso image of woody and potato? |
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| 14:53.11 | joshteam | nsadmin: I added a group 'developers' : $ grep developers /etc/group "developers:x:1004:jteam,geoffreytran,hudson,www-data" - and then did /var/www/sites$ sudo chgrp developers ./ - but if I try to $ nano foo inside that folder i can't save (permission denied) ? |
| 14:53.24 | jelly | dpkg, tell silidan about cd archive |
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| 14:54.19 | jelly | silidan: what are you really trying to do? |
| 14:54.19 | nsadmin | xro_: don't run an x server... you can run x remotely |
| 14:54.49 | nsadmin | joshteam: what;s the folder? |
| 14:54.50 | silidan | jelly, i want to try a distro that has been released when my notebook was build... |
| 14:54.59 | joshteam | nsadmin: /var/www/sites/ |
| 14:55.10 | silidan | but i cant find isos of earlier than 3.1... |
| 14:55.15 | nsadmin | ls -ld /var/www/sites/ |
| 14:55.43 | xro_ | nsadmin, yes, but now the x-server is started... how shut down it without reboot or close service |
| 14:56.09 | nsadmin | xro_: did you open any service using the gui? |
| 14:56.40 | jelly | silidan: try a release 1-3 years after the model was out |
| 14:56.49 | xro_ | nsadmin, no... i just need it sometime to configure applications |
| 14:57.16 | nsadmin | is this server in the same room? the same continent? |
| 14:57.31 | Bushmills | "a server" which has "a gui" is extremely informative, of course. run "a gui shutdown" command. |
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| 14:58.24 | silidan | jelly that would be sarge then i guess... |
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| 14:59.09 | tgywa | how can do ... ? |
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| 14:59.47 | petemc | you want to do an elipsis ? |
| 14:59.49 | nsadmin | you just did ... ! |
| 15:00.21 | nsadmin | you can't do the elipsis, but you can do the time warp... |
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| 15:00.53 | petemc | ellipsis, too |
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| 15:01.32 | nsadmin | ellipsistical |
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| 15:02.23 | jelly | tgywa: try <Compose> . . |
| 15:02.33 | jelly | … |
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| 15:03.18 | os_admin | hello, when i execute nmap command i find the rsync port is closed, have you any idea for open it |
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| 15:03.39 | tgywa | jelly, What do you mean |
| 15:03.54 | xro_ | how shut down the gui on a debian server? |
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| 15:04.11 | dubphil | Hello, I have found something I believe it's a bug : aptitude overwrite wrongly my menu.lst file after a kernel update |
| 15:04.18 | jelly | tgywa: to make a …, you can press the Compose key, then the dot two times in a row |
| 15:04.33 | jelly | xro_: uh, just log off? |
| 15:04.45 | \amethyst | os_admin: I'm assuming you have the package installed already... if so, edit /etc/default/rsync and set RSYNC_ENABLE=true, and anything else you need. Then /etc/init.d/rsync restart |
| 15:04.45 | sanderj | tgywa, Hello there. |
| 15:04.46 | silidan | are there still repos up for sarge? |
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| 15:05.20 | xro_ | jelly, a log out keep the gui on... i would like to have only the command line... |
| 15:05.27 | jelly | silidan: http://archive.debian.org/ |
| 15:05.33 | \amethyst | os_admin: you'll also need to create a rsyncd.conf : man rsyncd.conf |
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| 15:05.47 | joshteam | nsadmin: -> http://paste2.org/p/838162 |
| 15:05.50 | jelly | xro_: oh, you want to disable the login screen as well? |
| 15:05.50 | dubphil | well i Have / mounted on /dev/sda2 and my swap on /dev/sda1 and aptitude invert my partition number in menu.lst |
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| 15:05.59 | jelly | dpkg: test |
| 15:05.59 | dpkg | Test failed. |
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| 15:06.13 | dubphil | so I cannot boot anymore after reboot |
| 15:06.24 | jelly | !tell xro_ about nodm |
| 15:06.30 | Burps | Hi : I would like to get the EXACT, default file that a .deb installs : how can I get that ? |
| 15:06.43 | joshteam | or anyone :) -> http://paste2.org/p/838162 |
| 15:06.53 | \amethyst | Burps: of a conffile? |
| 15:06.57 | Burps | yep |
| 15:07.14 | nsadmin | joshteam you also need group write on at least the folders if not also the files |
| 15:07.26 | \amethyst | Burps: reinstall with -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confnew --force-confmiss" |
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| 15:07.29 | joshteam | chgrp doesn't do that? |
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| 15:07.42 | nsadmin | no, chmod does that |
| 15:07.54 | Burps | \amethyst: Ijust want to look that file, not reinstall, does your command do that ? |
| 15:08.04 | nsadmin | chgrp changes the group owner (which is also necessary) |
| 15:08.07 | xro_ | jelly, in fact i need it sometime.... so, i have to keep packages... but when i'm logged in the gui how return in console mode? |
| 15:08.23 | joshteam | nsadmin: so I need to chmod the dir? |
| 15:08.28 | joshteam | to get group write? |
| 15:08.36 | joshteam | or is there another function more specific to that? |
| 15:08.37 | \amethyst | Burps: oh, no... if that's the case, you can extract the package by hand. That won't help for generated files, of course |
| 15:08.40 | nsadmin | yes, and perhaps everything in it |
| 15:08.53 | nsadmin | no, chmod is it |
| 15:08.57 | Burps | \amethyst: hmm, yes, thx |
| 15:09.05 | \amethyst | Burps: dpkg-deb -x foo.deb somedir/ |
| 15:09.27 | \amethyst | Burps: then it will be under e.g. somedir/etc/blah/blahd.conf |
| 15:09.34 | nsadmin | chmod has a recursive functionality which you should be very careful with if you try it |
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| 15:09.54 | joshteam | nsadmin: chmod sort of intimidates me :-p |
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| 15:10.23 | dubphil | do you think is it a good behaviour ? |
| 15:10.33 | nsadmin | (so does rm, chown, chgrp, others... which is off by default) |
| 15:11.09 | nsadmin | joshteam: intimidate it back! is it being intimidating on purpose?! |
| 15:11.31 | dubphil | it is my right to set /dev/sda1 as the swap and /dev/sda2 as the / |
| 15:11.49 | joshteam | nsadmin: 755 << group write? |
| 15:11.57 | dubphil | aptitude shouldn't invert this |
| 15:12.03 | nsadmin | the middle 5 is group |
| 15:12.17 | joshteam | so 775 ? |
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| 15:12.32 | dubphil | joshteam: chmod g+w . |
| 15:12.46 | nsadmin | well 2775 (including the setgid) |
| 15:12.46 | joshteam | googles |
| 15:13.37 | Burps | \amethyst: thx, very helpful :) |
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| 15:14.11 | nsadmin | joshteam: 2775 for dirs, 664 for files |
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| 15:14.29 | joshteam | dubphil: you saying I need to add that "g+w" to my chmod command? |
| 15:14.58 | dubphil | joshteam: I gave you the whole command to modify the current folder |
| 15:14.59 | nsadmin | g+w is symbolic for "turn on group write" |
| 15:15.06 | nsadmin | so you would replace it |
| 15:15.45 | joshteam | "chmod: missing operand after `g+w'" |
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| 15:15.51 | nsadmin | instead of chmod 2775 (whatever) you would chmod g+w whatever |
| 15:16.10 | nsadmin | the missing thing is what you want to chmod |
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| 15:16.27 | joshteam | ahh, thanks os much - i am an idiot |
| 15:16.37 | joshteam | let me try again |
| 15:16.43 | nsadmin | you're just being careful |
| 15:17.25 | joshteam | works like a charm |
| 15:17.27 | joshteam | thanks so much guys |
| 15:17.31 | joshteam | sorry for my ignorance |
| 15:17.51 | nsadmin | joshteam: so, if ch* is giving you pause, for now don't turn on its recursive feature |
| 15:17.56 | dubphil | in fact nobody cares about the aptitude postconf action of aptitude after a kernel update, do I have to fill a bug ? |
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| 15:21.28 | jargon- | nsadmin: it went great with the adding dvds during installation. thanks for your help. :-) |
| 15:21.57 | xro_ | to close the X server should i kill Xorg? |
| 15:22.12 | nsadmin | jargon-, cool... now having done that, you -could- upgrade |
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| 15:27.26 | drmugg | hello, what is lenny8? i got it installed with php |
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| 15:28.45 | sawyer_ | hello dear debian folk |
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| 15:29.11 | sawyer_ | i'm releasing a new version of a Perl module myself and others have been working on |
| 15:29.35 | sawyer_ | we got a message on our bug queue from a debian packager regarding multiple copyright holders on the code |
| 15:29.58 | sawyer_ | we want to clarify this to make it easier for Debian to package our project, but I'm not sure what would be the best course of action |
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| 15:30.08 | sawyer_ | so i'm here, asking you fine people :) |
| 15:30.40 | aburch | sawyer_: Please ask in #debian-perl on irc.debian.org (OFTC). |
| 15:31.02 | sawyer_ | aburch, thank you :) |
| 15:31.59 | jargon- | nsadmin: in progress :-) |
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| 15:42.08 | sbrothy | I used to be able to burn DVD images with "growisofs -Z /dev/hda=ubcd50.iso" but now I consitently get the error: :-( "/dev/hda=ubcd50.iso": unexpected errno:No such file or directory |
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| 15:42.19 | sbrothy | Anyone tried that? |
| 15:42.46 | sbrothy | goes to the bug tracker. |
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| 15:44.05 | resmo | mount of filesystem failed... horray |
| 15:44.36 | Bushmills | wonders why nobody protested against piping echo output rather than using <<< |
| 15:44.42 | srivatsa | Adaptive Multi Rate (AMR) decoder_m gettin this package in not found when i try to play 3gp files in movie player...... |
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| 15:47.45 | SparFux | Hi. As I get so many great hints concerning Debian, in this channel I'd like to ask one question OFF TOPIC: Where has all the money gone? I mean, every big economy seems to go bankrupt today. Every big country is in deep debt. Where the heck is the money? |
| 15:47.46 | sbrothy | Ahhh... debian decided that my DVD isnt /dev/hda anymore but /dev/sr0 |
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| 15:48.15 | sbrothy | ah well |
| 15:48.49 | alys | sbrothy: It happened to me - I don't find any difference in use |
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| 15:51.35 | lucidblue | hey all, how can I tell what version of debian is running on a system? |
| 15:51.53 | jelly | !version |
| 15:51.54 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a, or cat /proc/version. Do cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} which should grab almost all distributions. |
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| 15:52.02 | ondrejk | lucidblue: cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 16:02.26 | factor | can the debian package for sun java work on stable |
| 16:02.47 | jordanm | its package for stable... |
| 16:02.59 | jordanm | ,versions sun-java6-jre |
| 16:03.00 | judd | sun-java6-jre -- etch-backports/non-free: 6-07-3~bpo40+1; lenny/non-free: 6-12-1; sid/non-free: 6.20-dlj-1; squeeze/non-free: 6.20-dlj-1; sid/non-free: 6.20-dlj-3 |
| 16:03.24 | factor | humm checking does backports have a atp source |
| 16:03.28 | factor | apt^ |
| 16:03.54 | jordanm | !bpo |
| 16:03.54 | dpkg | backports.org is a semi-official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://deb.li/bpoi . A sample line for your sources.list is: deb http://www.backports.org/debian lenny-backports main contrib non-free. Once added: "aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update". <bpo mirrors> <bpo contents> <bpo list> <backports-users> |
| 16:04.04 | factor | thanks |
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| 16:04.13 | factor | I did not add in nonfree etc.. |
| 16:04.19 | jordanm | factor: unless you are running etch, you don't need backports for this |
| 16:04.51 | factor | lenny |
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| 16:08.44 | factor | think I will upgrade my apt for a short stint to get java 6.20 |
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| 16:08.57 | factor | found some bugs in the earlier ones. |
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| 16:10.15 | Rienzilla | aa/w 29 |
| 16:10.25 | Rahim | debian-kde4: just tried to enable Desktop Effects and the it froze and when i revooted the desktop dont load when i try to log in at kdm |
| 16:10.40 | jordanm | factor: such as? |
| 16:10.56 | jordanm | factor: did you file bug reports? check the BTS? ensure you were using the java you thought you were using? |
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| 16:14.00 | Rahim | is there anyway i can login back to non-desktop-effect desktop? |
| 16:14.05 | factor | <jordanm> sorry was afk |
| 16:14.29 | factor | <jordanm> think I did was a while back and 6.20 worked , so it was already fixed in this version |
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| 16:21.13 | factor | what major changes happen form kernel 26 to 30 |
| 16:21.26 | factor | something about udev stuff I think |
| 16:21.38 | factor | want to use the kernel from testing with xen |
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| 16:40.43 | prince_jammys | JordiGH: prayer. |
| 16:41.02 | JordiGH | experiences reverse déjàvu. |
| 16:41.35 | prince_jammys | rubygems dumps a .gem file in my root dir, which pisses me off every time |
| 16:41.42 | prince_jammys | s/file/dir/ |
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| 16:47.12 | jelly | JordiGH: export GEM_HOME=... |
| 16:47.24 | JordiGH | prince_jammys: Hm, don't see that behaviour here. |
| 16:47.53 | jelly | JordiGH: default will be something in /var/lib/ in Debian |
| 16:47.58 | prince_jammys | JordiGH: cool. i tend to end up with .gem |
| 16:48.16 | prince_jammys | export GEM_HOME=/var/lib/gems/1.8 is what i have |
| 16:48.22 | JordiGH | jelly: I suppose I can live with that. |
| 16:48.35 | JordiGH | Death to external package managers! |
| 16:48.38 | jelly | JordiGH: I put mine in $HOME/gems |
| 16:48.51 | prince_jammys | JordiGH: maybe some mild torture first |
| 16:49.06 | JordiGH | prince_jammys: I like how you think. |
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| 16:49.14 | prince_jammys | tickling, at the very least |
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| 16:53.31 | jelly | JordiGH: they're not external, they're... upstream |
| 16:54.23 | JordiGH | They sometimes don't obey Policy. |
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| 16:55.31 | jelly | the issue is they don't know there are policies (or things like "distros") |
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| 17:21.20 | badcloud | how do I find out which startup script is telling atd to execute? |
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| 17:21.34 | Recku | Hello!!! :) |
| 17:21.43 | jhutchins_lt | badcloud: atd? |
| 17:22.06 | jhutchins_lt | badcloud: at daemon? |
| 17:22.42 | badcloud | jhutchins_lt: yup |
| 17:22.49 | jhutchins_lt | badcloud: How about /etc/init.d/atd? |
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| 17:23.40 | badcloud | jhutchins_lt: got it, thanks. maybe you could help me further. I'm trying to figure out why atd is preventing me from syncing my hw clock |
| 17:24.21 | jhutchins_lt | badcloud: I rather doubt it is, but explain what IS happening (not what's NOT happening). Maybe someone will know. |
| 17:24.53 | badcloud | right. well, 'hwclock --systohc --debug' provides wclock: Open of /dev/rtc0 failed, errno=16: Device or resource busy. |
| 17:25.18 | jelly | badcloud: sounds like a ntp server is running! |
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| 17:26.03 | Gijs | hello people |
| 17:26.04 | Gijs | I need to find a way to use a cmd as root-user, but i am only a normal-user, because i have to install something and the server-owner is not available, so how to execute a cmd as root-user? |
| 17:26.09 | badcloud | jelly: does not seem far off |
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| 17:26.31 | smhar | greetings |
| 17:26.36 | badcloud | how do I go about changing that? |
| 17:26.52 | jhutchins_lt | badcloud: ps ax | grep ntp |
| 17:27.16 | smhar | I am trying to install docky in my squeeze notebook but I got this error: |
| 17:27.23 | smhar | Compiling /usr/lib/pymodules/python2.4/docky/docky.py ... |
| 17:27.23 | smhar | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:27.23 | smhar | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:27.23 | smhar | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:27.23 | smhar | SyntaxError: invalid syntax |
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| 17:27.25 | badcloud | jhutchins_lt: nothing |
| 17:27.33 | badcloud | I got more info that might help though |
| 17:27.46 | Gijs | anybody? |
| 17:28.05 | badcloud | 'lsof |grep rtc' provides 'atd 1371 root 0r CHR 254,0 685 /dev/rtc0' |
| 17:28.22 | jelly | Gijs: do you have physical access and are allowed to reboot the machine? |
| 17:29.01 | badcloud | and... 'ps auxf |grep 1371' provides 'root 1371 0.0 0.5 3192 700 ? Ss 19:14 0:00 atd /var/spool/at' |
| 17:29.22 | jelly | Gijs: if you do, /msg dpkg ifrp |
| 17:29.23 | badcloud | so I don't think ntp has anything to do with it |
| 17:29.33 | jelly | badcloud: ok, so it's not ntp, but atd |
| 17:29.37 | badcloud | right |
| 17:29.51 | badcloud | but atq comes up empty |
| 17:29.57 | jelly | not relevant |
| 17:29.58 | badcloud | so I have no idea what atd is doing |
| 17:30.01 | Gijs | no i cannot reboot the machine |
| 17:30.02 | badcloud | jelly: ok |
| 17:30.07 | jelly | badcloud: it's running! |
| 17:30.16 | badcloud | jelly: obvious |
| 17:30.20 | jelly | Gijs: no legitimate way, then |
| 17:30.25 | Gijs | well |
| 17:30.31 | Gijs | the server is from a good friend |
| 17:30.35 | Gijs | we own this server |
| 17:30.47 | Gijs | but our server was hacked before so he changed the root pass wich i didnt know |
| 17:30.58 | Gijs | but i only got access with a normal user |
| 17:31.00 | jelly | Gijs: you'll have to find a local root exploit and use it correctly, which is really outside of the scope of this channel |
| 17:31.03 | Gijs | but i need to get root access now |
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| 17:31.27 | jhutchins_lt | Gijs: If the root user has set sudo up you may be able to use that. |
| 17:31.45 | jhutchins_lt | Gijs: Otherwise that's what security is all about, regular users don't have root permissions for a reason. |
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| 17:32.07 | badcloud | jelly: so... why is atd running? |
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| 17:32.21 | jelly | badcloud: to enable at to function? |
| 17:32.38 | badcloud | jelly: makes sense |
| 17:32.52 | jhutchins_lt | atd does not prevent you from setting the clock though. |
| 17:33.01 | badcloud | which is why this is so confusing |
| 17:33.04 | jelly | in this case, it seems it does |
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| 17:33.21 | jelly | badcloud: so stop it, run your hwclock command, and start it again |
| 17:33.38 | smhar | got kicked out and disconnected from the net at the same time :-) |
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| 17:34.26 | badcloud | jelly: don't I need to provide so switches/expressions/dir after the 'atd' command? |
| 17:34.31 | badcloud | *same |
| 17:34.36 | badcloud | arrrg, *SOME |
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| 17:34.48 | jelly | badcloud: I suggest using the init script |
| 17:35.16 | jelly | feels he could be replaced by a small shell script pointing out obvious things |
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| 17:35.58 | badcloud | jelly: that's not nice. newbies have feelings too |
| 17:36.31 | jelly | they wouldn't know |
| 17:37.10 | Recku | I've the problem... When I'm going to start my computer Yesterday the kernel find a "bad blocks" in my Hard Disk... Then I'm going to fix them... And I made it, but some SYSTEM-library files is missing because the system Is gonna move it to "fresh blocks". And now libXss.so.0 Is missing in /usr/lib/ directory and so I can't start some applications (Browser, openoffice, and other which use this library)... I'm trying to reinstall gdm (Because I use LXDE) and |
| 17:37.10 | Recku | so xorg but they WARN me this message.... "# apt-get install gdm |
| 17:37.10 | Recku | Reading package lists... Done |
| 17:37.10 | Recku | Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done |
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| 17:38.19 | jelly | !paste |
| 17:38.19 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>. |
| 17:38.22 | smhar | sorry I thought 4 lines are allowed. any way here is the full error I got trying to install docky on squeeze: http://paste.debian.net/73980/ . And this is the output when it runs: http://paste.debian.net/73981/ |
| 17:38.37 | jordanm | Recku: you should not fsck a partition with badblock, as it can lead to data loss |
| 17:39.10 | valdyn | fsck cant fix bad blocks |
| 17:39.14 | Recku | yes |
| 17:39.17 | Recku | I fix it |
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| 17:39.32 | jelly | valdyn: it can map them though |
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| 17:39.35 | Recku | for now but I lose any data |
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| 17:40.18 | valdyn | jelly: id rather have the disk map it |
| 17:40.53 | Recku | and I'm already trying to REMOVE this measage and install needed Desktop Manager |
| 17:40.53 | jelly | valdyn: how do you tell your disk to map it, anyway? |
| 17:41.02 | jordanm | smhar: what version of debian are you running? |
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| 17:41.05 | valdyn | jelly: it will map it at the next write |
| 17:41.09 | bAndie9100 | hi all |
| 17:41.14 | jordanm | smhar: sorry, I see, squeeze |
| 17:41.17 | jelly | valdyn: how do you force it to map it, then? |
| 17:41.19 | jordanm | ,versions docky |
| 17:41.21 | judd | docky -- squeeze: 2.0.3.1-1; sid: 2.0.3.1-2 |
| 17:41.24 | valdyn | jelly: by doing a write |
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| 17:41.26 | Recku | :( how can I install program... I try apt-get, aptitude... |
| 17:41.39 | jordanm | !tell Recku about bat |
| 17:41.41 | jelly | valdyn: how do you write to all the places with bad blocks? |
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| 17:42.02 | jordanm | saw a guide that suggest dd for that |
| 17:42.18 | HackeMate | hello, I have a problem with the opensc, it works in console but doesn't in any web browser, is there a documentation where I can find any clue to resolv my issue, or any forum or solution that would give me an alternative? thanks |
| 17:42.19 | jordanm | smhar: have you already checked the BTS? |
| 17:42.20 | valdyn | jelly: restore a backup? |
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| 17:42.58 | smhar | jordanm no. I always assume something wrong with my system first :-) |
| 17:43.01 | jelly | valdyn: no, I'm asking seriously; given a disk with some bad blocks, what do you do with to make them go away? |
| 17:43.09 | badcloud | ummm, /etc/init.d/atd is not the one hampering /dev/rtc0 |
| 17:43.14 | valdyn | jelly: *I* just resync my raid |
| 17:43.22 | jelly | valdyn: a tool, a command line, or a howto might be nice |
| 17:43.31 | badcloud | I stopped /etc/init.d/atd |
| 17:43.39 | Recku | I can't write there... I'm trying to reinstall needed desktop manager but I see only this affect |
| 17:43.42 | Recku | # apt-get install gdm |
| 17:43.42 | Recku | Reading package lists... Done |
| 17:43.42 | Recku | Building dependency tree |
| 17:43.42 | Recku | Reading state information... Done |
| 17:43.42 | Recku | E: The package openoffice.org-dbg needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it. |
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| 17:44.00 | jordanm | shahri: I can't imagine why it is using python4 |
| 17:44.02 | jelly | valdyn: that doesn't really apply to Recku's situation unless they have a raid array |
| 17:44.05 | jordanm | err 2.4 |
| 17:44.15 | valdyn | jelly: yea, he needs to restore a backup |
| 17:44.15 | badcloud | 'ps auxf|grep atd' still returns 'root 1371 0.0 0.5 3192 692 ? Ss 19:14 0:00 atd /var/spool/at' |
| 17:44.18 | smhar | jordanm, does it have to do my my python version |
| 17:44.20 | jordanm | Recku: you were already told once not paste in the channel, please don't do it again |
| 17:44.21 | bAndie9100 | at startup my 2.6.26-2-686 kernel must to wait about 5 minutes while booting is in idle and at end comes out a "dma_timer_expiry: dma status" message |
| 17:44.27 | jordanm | ,versions python2.4 |
| 17:44.28 | judd | python2.4 -- etch: 2.4.4-3+etch2; etch-security: 2.4.4-3+etch3; lenny: 2.4.6-1; lenny-security: 2.4.6-1+lenny1 |
| 17:44.40 | smhar | oops.. you sent that while I was writing :-) |
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| 17:44.50 | jordanm | smhar: you should not even have python2.4. was this an upgrade from lenny? |
| 17:44.55 | badcloud | any ideas? |
| 17:45.00 | bAndie9100 | how to disable dma or solve else? |
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| 17:45.26 | valdyn | jelly: he can also do a badblocks rw check and restore a backup |
| 17:45.28 | smhar | jordanm, actually an upgrade from etch then lenny then squeeze :-) |
| 17:45.49 | valdyn | jelly: i dont know how to find the file sitting on a specific bad block |
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| 17:46.31 | valdyn | jelly: smartmontools can list the number of current bad blocks and the number of mapped blocks |
| 17:47.37 | smhar | jordanm, python --version says: Python 2.5.5 |
| 17:47.45 | jordanm | smhar: it is likely obsolete, you should consider removing it. make sure you have a fresh backup |
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| 17:48.09 | jordanm | smhar: and consider filing a bug anyways, as it shouldn't try to use 2.4 |
| 17:48.32 | smhar | jordanm, I am not sure if I even have 2.4 installed.. |
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| 17:50.55 | jordanm | smhar: how can you not be sure? check and see... |
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| 17:52.21 | Recku | "<jordanm> Recku: you were already told once not paste in the channel, please don't do it again" :) Ok Sorry... I'm not sure that you understood |
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| 17:52.58 | jordanm | Recku: that I understood what? |
| 17:53.17 | tdn | I am trying to use nss-pgsql. I have made a /etc/nss-pgsql.conf and put pgsql into /etc/nsswitch.conf, but appearently it cannot lookup any of the users in the database, if I do a "id <user>". I have manually checked the queries in the database are okay. |
| 17:53.45 | smhar | jordanm, ok python2.4 is installed alongside python2.5.. I never used it before as the default is 2.5 |
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| 17:54.00 | jordanm | smhar: the default in etch was 2.4 |
| 17:54.02 | tdn | I have also checked that the connect string is correct. |
| 17:54.33 | smhar | jordanm, when I issue python --version I got Python 2.5.5 |
| 17:55.02 | jordanm | smhar: yes, that is the current default python. it should be 2.6 for release |
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| 17:56.58 | smhar | jordanm, when I issue python --version I got Python 2.5.5 |
| 17:57.28 | jordanm | smhar: sorry, are you expecting me to respond differently than when you said that last? |
| 17:58.03 | smhar | jordanm, I got disconnected again and I do not know if my last message went through |
| 17:58.47 | jordanm | smhar: yes, that is the current default python. it should be 2.6 for release |
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| 18:00.28 | smhar | jordanm, so when docky tries using python on my system it will be using the default python which is 2.5.5, but it seems it is using 2.4 |
| 18:00.50 | jordanm | smhar: what does apt-cache policy python say? |
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| 18:01.58 | smhar | jordanm, it says this: http://paste.debian.net/73986/ |
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| 18:02.39 | jordanm | smhar: 1) file a bug report against docky 2) try purging python2.4 |
| 18:03.01 | smhar | jordanm, will do both.. thanks |
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| 18:20.56 | leonesardo | !list |
| 18:20.56 | dpkg | leonesardo: VATTENE VIA |
| 18:21.04 | leonesardo | ciao |
| 18:21.13 | leonesardo | perche' |
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| 18:29.16 | venom00 | hello, how much disk space require a typical debian installation? let's say with apache, mono, eclipse, compiling tools, kde, gnome, xfce? |
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| 18:29.57 | Recku | may be 3-4 GB |
| 18:30.04 | Recku | I think |
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| 18:30.15 | tsocrc | I can ssh into root username as well as log into root on the local console |
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| 18:30.19 | valdyn | venom00: ~10G |
| 18:30.24 | tsocrc | But I cannot su from my normal username anymore. Why might this be? |
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| 18:31.01 | valdyn | venom00: that however is surely not typical |
| 18:31.13 | venom00 | so, 20 gb is more than enough, i was choosing between 20 and 30 gb |
| 18:31.20 | valdyn | venom00: 20G is good |
| 18:31.22 | venom00 | valdyn, well, typical for a developer ;) |
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| 18:31.38 | Recku | No good... this is most useful |
| 18:31.52 | valdyn | venom00: plus space for /home |
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| 18:33.04 | valdyn | venom00: 99G 25G 70G 26% / |
| 18:33.22 | venom00 | i'll make 1gb for the swap and 19gb for the whole installation plus the home |
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| 18:33.48 | iiiii | tsocrc i would check /etc/pam.d/su |
| 18:33.51 | venom00 | but the big files (music, etc, etc) will stay on other partitions |
| 18:33.54 | valdyn | so maybe 20G even could be short |
| 18:33.58 | venom00 | valdyn, thanks ;) |
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| 18:38.39 | peleg | I am looking for a command line calculator, more serious than bc. Something that will know some combinatorics, logarithms, etc. Maybe there's a way to teach bc to do it, but I am lazy now... should be something available. Do you know about something? |
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| 18:39.21 | peleg | Something that will allow some keybindings is even better :) |
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| 18:43.17 | SerajewelKS | peleg: maxima is about as serious as they come, it's an algebra system |
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| 18:43.39 | SerajewelKS | peleg: it can do indefinite integrals, for example |
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| 18:44.51 | pflanze | Hello. Does anyone know how to get pulseaudio on Lenny to work with OSS4 as backend? |
| 18:44.52 | peleg | SerajewelKS, yes, I know maxima, but it is not easy to use. I am not looking for something serious, but for something comfortable. Keybindings. Simple functions, and easy method of defining new ones. Something just a bit better than bc. |
| 18:45.46 | SerajewelKS | peleg: i'm not sure you are going to find something like that... most such comfortable calculators are for X |
| 18:46.15 | tsocrc | iiiii: I am not sure which line in /etc/pam.d/su might be preventing my normal user from elevating to root user with the su command |
| 18:46.24 | tsocrc | the correct password says incorrect authentication error |
| 18:46.26 | peleg | SerajewelKS, actually, I don't know one like that as well. I really don't like gcalctool; it doesn't even let me modify its keybindings (digged in the ui file) |
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| 18:46.45 | SerajewelKS | peleg: keybindings are overrated anyway |
| 18:47.07 | SerajewelKS | peleg: why do you need them? |
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| 18:47.25 | hochron | can someone help me mount a win xp disk to my debian box via smb? |
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| 18:47.38 | peleg | SerajewelKS, :) -- well, I'm a vim person, you can't tell me that. Besides, I felt the need. I hate going with the mouse and pressing "ln", instead of just pressing "l" with the keyboard for example. I hate the mouse, in general. |
| 18:47.39 | SerajewelKS | hochron: man smbmount |
| 18:47.45 | tsocrc | iiiii: Here is my /etc/pam.d/su file: |
| 18:47.46 | tsocrc | http://pastebin.com/EgZvuMA2 |
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| 18:48.01 | SerajewelKS | peleg: ok, and maxima won't work for you why? |
| 18:48.31 | peleg | SerajewelKS, complicated, and I don't think it allows keybindings, and I have to put stupid ; in the end of every line, etc.c |
| 18:49.01 | eshat | My external monitor is never turned off (even if screen is locked for hours), any ideas ? (sid with KDE 4.4.3) |
| 18:49.02 | SerajewelKS | ok well have fun with bc then :) |
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| 18:49.32 | wildc4rd | afternoon all |
| 18:49.43 | cga | hi all, where can i look logs for a process that didn't start at boot even if init scripts are in place? (placed with update-rc.d ) |
| 18:49.55 | SerajewelKS | peleg: i'm not sure what kind of keybindings you need. maxima has the % symbol which makes reusing calculations pretty easy... |
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| 18:50.25 | jordanm | cga: does it start when you do it manually? |
| 18:50.35 | cga | yep |
| 18:50.39 | ondrejk | cga: check /var/log/boot |
| 18:50.46 | cga | thanks |
| 18:51.04 | cga | mmm empty |
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| 18:51.16 | ondrejk | cga: then try dmesg |
| 18:51.22 | peleg | SerajewelKS, yes, I know. but by "keybindings" I mean something else; I want that pressing "l" I will have "ln(" and by pressing "s" I will have "sin(", etc. |
| 18:51.49 | SerajewelKS | peleg: yeah i'm not aware of anything like that for textmode |
| 18:51.54 | lindi- | peleg: wxmaxima? |
| 18:52.02 | SerajewelKS | ondrejk: wrong again |
| 18:52.08 | SerajewelKS | cga: check /var/log/syslog |
| 18:52.12 | cga | jordanm: ondrejk: warning: process `nginx' used the deprecated sysctl system call with 1.33. |
| 18:52.13 | lindi- | peleg: at least avoids the ;s |
| 18:52.30 | peleg | lindi-, never heard of it, but I'll look for it -- thanks |
| 18:52.41 | factor | Does anyone know how to mount a LVM2 driver under the same name |
| 18:52.44 | jordanm | cga: warnings are typically not fatal |
| 18:52.56 | lindi- | peleg: and of course maxima under emacs |
| 18:53.07 | peleg | vim, you mean. |
| 18:53.08 | factor | I am trying to activate a LVM2 driver and just reinstalled my system and use the same hosname |
| 18:53.16 | cga | jordanm: i know but that's the only thing found in logs |
| 18:53.23 | factor | so when I use vgscan it only finds one |
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| 18:54.59 | jordanm | cga: back to my first unanswered question. does it start when you do it manually via invoke-rc.d? |
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| 18:55.19 | cga | jordanm: yes it does, i answered taht too |
| 18:55.32 | cga | via invoke-rc.d ? |
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| 18:55.43 | cga | mm it does with /etc/init.d/nginx start |
| 18:55.49 | cga | didn't try with invoke |
| 18:56.04 | jordanm | cga: its the same. lets see the output of: sysvconfig --listlinks |
| 18:56.19 | cga | jordanm: ok |
| 18:56.57 | cga | jordanm: |
| 18:56.58 | cga | root@r19677:~# sysvconfig --listlinks |
| 18:56.59 | cga | -su: sysvconfig: command not found |
| 18:57.30 | cga | jordanm: it's a VPS by the way, might not have it for that reason? |
| 18:57.57 | cga | mm nope |
| 18:58.00 | cga | installing it :P |
| 18:58.01 | jordanm | !installit |
| 18:58.02 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude. |
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| 18:58.27 | jordanm | cga: the default update-rc.d is limited in that it doesn't have the ability to list configured services |
| 18:58.38 | cga | jordanm: ok |
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| 18:59.28 | factor | I can use pvdisplay and see my sdb drive |
| 18:59.50 | cga | jordanm: nginx_phused K20 K20 S20 S20 S20 S20 K20 |
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| 19:00.19 | cga | jordanm: b4 you ask, yes it compiled it, i needed passenger |
| 19:00.34 | jordanm | passenger? |
| 19:00.46 | peleg | oh, wcalc is quite good! |
| 19:01.29 | cga | jordanm: phusion passenger: http://www.modrails.com/ |
| 19:01.39 | peleg | it even recognizes \pi, unicode. how nice. |
| 19:02.15 | cga | jordanm: my stack is Ruby Enterprise Edition, Nginx w/ Passenger Rails (all compiled) |
| 19:02.29 | cga | all but rails, installed with gem |
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| 19:06.19 | hochron | SerajewelKS: I dont have smbmount.... The drive is not showing up in network. I suck as a system admin |
| 19:06.35 | cga | jordanm: talk to you later, need to go for dinner |
| 19:07.22 | beefcube | how do you downgrade from unstable to stable? |
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| 19:08.22 | hochron | SerajewelKS: im sorry it took so long for me to answer, i am frantic :P |
| 19:08.42 | SerajewelKS | hochron: calm down, is this a production system or something? |
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| 19:08.58 | hochron | yes |
| 19:08.59 | SerajewelKS | hochron: what is the goal you are trying to accomplish? |
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| 19:09.55 | ukev | Hi, I'm trying to install debian (squeeze) on my guruplug but habe some issues with the sheevaplug guide (http://www.cyrius.com/debian/kirkwood/sheevaplug/install.html), am I right here ? |
| 19:10.02 | ukev | habe=have |
| 19:10.03 | hochron | I am trying to use clamav to scan other computers |
| 19:10.16 | rox | is there anything in debian, that would prevent openvpn or ipsec packets from going through? |
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| 19:10.44 | SerajewelKS | hochron: are you past deadline? |
| 19:10.57 | hochron | I didn't realize that av scanners are supposed to be used with the administrators acct |
| 19:11.02 | rox | i deinstalled iptables, to prevent any possible firewall interference and my packets are still not leaving the box |
| 19:11.40 | hochron | SerajewelKS: Well I will have kids here in 30 min or so... I monitor a computer lab |
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| 19:13.31 | karlpinc_ | hochron: I suppose you need the right permissions to see all the file content so you can scan everything. |
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| 19:15.03 | karlpinc_ | rox: Did you clear the tables in the kernel? Just because userland is gone does not mean that the kernel is still not using what was setup. |
| 19:15.09 | hochron | hmmm, on my xp boxes? What line in smb.conf does that? I have admin rights on all the computers |
| 19:16.14 | hochron | SerajewelKS: I works sporicallly I changed some stuff in smb.conf and it worked... now it doesn't |
| 19:16.26 | hochron | sporadically |
| 19:16.33 | karlpinc_ | hochron: I don't know anything much about samba, but I imagine that the xp-side permissions show through, so a regular user might not have access to everything. |
| 19:17.27 | SerajewelKS | hochron: smb.conf really doesn't matter unless you are *serving* content from the linux box |
| 19:17.38 | karlpinc_ | hochron: Sorry, I poke samba with a stick until it works for me. I find the faq at samba.org very helpful, and the wiki there. And there's also #samba. |
| 19:17.39 | SerajewelKS | hochron: if you want to access content somewhere else it really doesn't do much |
| 19:17.48 | SerajewelKS | hochron: install smbmount and mount the remote shares locally |
| 19:18.17 | SerajewelKS | hochron: smbmount -U your-remote-user //computer/share/path... $HOME/somewhere |
| 19:18.50 | karlpinc_ | hochron: I do recall some sort of "initial login" thing that does something with kerberos where you have to give samba the admin username and password, as a one-time only event. (Until you change things, perhaps...) |
| 19:19.03 | hochron | thanks ppl!! will try it, I got alot of good useful info from this! |
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| 19:19.33 | karlpinc_ | hochron: I was something like a xp "net" command. (??) |
| 19:19.41 | karlpinc_ | s/I/it/ |
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| 19:21.24 | SerajewelKS | karlpinc_: net join? |
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| 19:23.30 | hochron | after changing smb.conf all you have to do is call smbd and nmbd right? |
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| 19:26.06 | nkuttler | meh. is it that ftp server or is recursive getting with ncftp broken in stable? |
| 19:26.40 | ukev | no idea about debian 6 on guruplug sd card? |
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| 19:27.19 | SerajewelKS | hochron: if you want to connect to remote xp computers, you do not need smbd at all |
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| 19:28.05 | nkuttler | any recommendation for cli ftp clients? besides ncftp |
| 19:28.11 | SerajewelKS | nkuttler: i love lftp |
| 19:28.20 | nkuttler | SerajewelKS: i'll give it a try, thanks |
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| 19:28.24 | SerajewelKS | i would have its babies |
| 19:29.15 | SerajewelKS | nkuttler: theoretically you can ftp with mc too, though i have not tried that |
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| 19:29.56 | nkuttler | mmh. mirror sounds good |
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| 19:30.05 | hochron | how come debian does not come with tesparm?? |
| 19:30.24 | SerajewelKS | hochron: come with what now? |
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| 19:31.01 | SerajewelKS | hochron: you mean testparm? it's in the samba-common package, which you should have if you installed samba. |
| 19:31.35 | hochron | after you change smb.conf they suggest running testparm to see if it is syntax right |
| 19:31.41 | hochron | hmmm |
| 19:31.48 | hochron | ok |
| 19:32.00 | SerajewelKS | why are you still messing with smb.conf |
| 19:32.19 | hochron | thanks for your help SerajewelKS, yes |
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| 19:40.41 | ponyofdeath | does debian squeeze installer support preseeding for ext4? |
| 19:41.15 | ponyofdeath | http://pastebin.com/qtfMFhQH this seems to yeild an ext3 setup not ext4 |
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| 19:49.52 | hochron | can I ask you a stupid question SerajewelKS?? where would I find smbmount?? I googled it for 30 min or so |
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| 19:50.20 | jordanm | !search |
| 19:50.20 | dpkg | Please search for things rather than just asking, e.g. 'apt-cache search regex', or with <aptitude search>. The following ways can locate packages that own a file (installed, or candidate for install): 'dpkg -S /bin/foo', <apt-file>, <pdo> (online) and <help find> (bot). <search dpkg> for factoids. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt and ask me about <bot help>. |
| 19:50.25 | jordanm | hochron: ^ |
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| 20:28.42 | bahatpc | when an upstream package contains non-free third-party imagery in a tarball, do I have any options of creating a DFSG-conform package, short of asking upstream to remove those images from said tarball? |
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| 20:31.23 | abrotman | bahatpc: you can split it into a second non-free package |
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| 20:33.27 | bahatpc | abrotman: do you mean a second binary package, or a second source package? |
| 20:33.42 | valdyn | depending on non-free package would also make it not dfsg-conform ? |
| 20:34.51 | valdyn | bahatpc: afaik it could go into contrib then, but what's the point |
| 20:34.59 | abrotman | depends on the contents .. he could make it a suggests? |
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| 20:36.16 | bahatpc | the single source package builds two binary packages (package and package-doc), and neither contains the non-free imagery. I strip them during build. But that doesn't resolve the issue, or does it? |
| 20:36.29 | bahatpc | since the uploaded .orig.tar.gz still contains the non-free imagery |
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| 20:36.56 | valdyn | bahatpc: does not need to contain those |
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| 20:37.59 | bahatpc | valdyn: you mean the source package? Am I to understand that it is OK to strip them from .orig.tar.gz before uploading? |
| 20:38.12 | valdyn | bahatpc: yea |
| 20:38.39 | bahatpc | valdyn: ah, excellent, thanks! This saves me from quite some trouble. |
| 20:38.42 | valdyn | bahatpc: if it makes sense, this is obviously silly if the package really needs the images... |
| 20:39.39 | bahatpc | It doesn't. The non-free images are icons for digg, reddit, etc., and a jquery addon. |
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| 20:40.05 | abrotman | bahatpc: you could replace them with ones you license freely? |
| 20:40.15 | abrotman | or ask upstream to relicense them |
| 20:40.28 | wahly | the application "mock" is used to build rpm packages in a chroot. is there an equivalent for debian packages, or can i just use mock to build debian packages? |
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| 20:42.44 | bahatpc | abrotman: no, I need to strip them anyway (it's for a -doc package, and I use a theme from an older upstream version). Upstream can't relicense, those images are copyrighted by Digg Inc, etc. |
| 20:43.17 | bahatpc | abrotman, valdyn: thanks for clarifying this, that helped me alot. |
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| 20:43.44 | Andre_francys | i need halp my debian lenny user root disabled |
| 20:43.46 | abrotman | bahatpc: oh, sorry, thought they were for in the app .. though you could still strip them and make uhm .. a likeness ? |
| 20:43.51 | bahatpc | I thought I was not "allowed" to touch orig tarballs. But I guess if that were true, we couldn't provide icewease, etc. |
| 20:44.04 | valdyn | bahatpc: nor the linux kernel |
| 20:44.21 | hochron | search.debian.org is broke..... I am still looking for smbmount SerajewelKS |
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| 20:44.31 | RayzrShrp | howdy all |
| 20:44.57 | abrotman | looks around for vorlon ... |
| 20:45.36 | valdyn | hochron: why dont your type "apt-cache search smbmount" ? |
| 20:45.45 | bahatpc | abrotman: no, not at all. They are just present in a new theme upstream uses for documentation, and I don't want to use that theme anyway. |
| 20:45.48 | RayzrShrp | man i installed fedora 13 last night, that was painful |
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| 20:46.10 | RayzrShrp | reminds me why i run debian |
| 20:46.19 | hochron | already tried it valdyn |
| 20:46.39 | valdyn | judd: versions smbfs |
| 20:46.41 | judd | smbfs -- etch: 3.0.24-6etch10; etch-security: 3.0.24-6etch10; etch-backports: 2:3.2.5-4~bpo41+1; lenny: 2:3.2.5-4lenny8; lenny-security: 2:3.2.5-4lenny9; lenny-backports: 2:4.1-1~bpo50+1; sid: 2:4.1-1; squeeze: 2:4.1-1 |
| 20:47.30 | valdyn | hochron: ^^ |
| 20:47.36 | hochron | ok |
| 20:47.41 | hochron | thanks |
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| 20:49.18 | RayzrShrp | is this normal to appear under a ps aux? /bin/sh /etc/gdm/XKeepsCrashing |
| 20:49.48 | abrotman | does X keep crashing ? |
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| 20:51.09 | RayzrShrp | not to my knowledge |
| 20:51.12 | RayzrShrp | what is that for? |
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| 21:07.28 | decs | hello everybody, can anyone tell me when the last debian distr is released?? |
| 21:08.30 | vsmatck | feb 09 |
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| 21:12.40 | hochron | does the remote computer need to be visible to samba in order to smbmount? |
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| 21:15.25 | abrotman | wouldn't that kind of make sense ? |
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| 21:16.47 | hochron | I am having problems abrotman |
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| 21:17.21 | turtleboy | how do you force GCC to use C99 standard |
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| 21:18.36 | Bushmills | hochron: not needed. it is enough when it can be accessed by network. |
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| 21:20.26 | JordiGH | What's a no-fuss MTA? |
| 21:20.31 | hochron | hmmm, ok thanks Bushmills....... I have em setup statically, I will read more |
| 21:20.46 | JordiGH | I just want to send email from this local machine. |
| 21:20.51 | amphi | turtleboy: -std=c99 it seems |
| 21:21.00 | gravity | JordiGH: nullmailer is good |
| 21:21.11 | Bushmills | JordiGH: real MTA? or forwarder? |
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| 21:21.22 | JordiGH | Real MTA, something that Redmine can use to send emails. |
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| 21:22.38 | dondelelcaro | JordiGH: if you have a real MTA somewhere else, I'd use a forwarder; otherwise postfix or exim. |
| 21:23.09 | JordiGH | Which one is the one with the humongously complicated config files? |
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| 21:23.18 | gravity | Both? |
| 21:23.22 | JordiGH | :-( |
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| 21:23.41 | gravity | exim has one hugely complicated config file. postfix has several less complicated ones. |
| 21:23.50 | gravity | choose your poison |
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| 21:24.59 | firespeaker | I'm having issues getting X forwarding working between two computers on my local network. The remote machine has "X11Forwarding yes" in its /etc/ssh/sshd_config , and I'm using ssh -X from the local machine, but I just get errors about DISPLAY not set |
| 21:25.36 | dondelelcaro | firespeaker: do you have xauth on both machines? |
| 21:25.39 | firespeaker | yep |
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| 21:26.22 | firespeaker | do the contents of my ~/.Xauthority file make any difference? |
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| 21:26.52 | dondelelcaro | firespeaker: yes, but not for this problem. |
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| 21:27.10 | firespeaker | dondelelcaro: then I have no idea what's going wrong |
| 21:27.13 | dondelelcaro | firespeaker: what are the contents of env|grep -e SSH -e X -e DISP; on the remote and local machine? |
| 21:27.41 | dondelelcaro | firespeaker: can the user that you're running ssh as connect to the local machine's X server? |
| 21:28.09 | stack_underflow | when using 'aptitude search', does it search the package description? I tried searching for 'glxinfo' which is included in the mesa-utils package, and aptitude returned nothing while 'apt-cache search glxinfo' returned the mesa-utils package |
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| 21:28.26 | Raydiation | is there already django 1.2 in debian backports? |
| 21:28.28 | dondelelcaro | firespeaker: the output of ssh -v -X foohost; will alos be useful |
| 21:28.33 | dondelelcaro | !tell Raydiation -about search |
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| 21:28.49 | firespeaker | dondelelcaro: http://bpaste.net/show/6504/ |
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| 21:29.28 | Raydiation | dondelelcaro: sry i got 10kb/s atm |
| 21:29.34 | dondelelcaro | steampunkey: aptitude search does more than that; it matches patterns. |
| 21:29.50 | dondelelcaro | Raydiation: that's fine, you can use packages.debian.org too |
| 21:29.58 | Raydiation | dondelelcaro: ty |
| 21:30.11 | steampunkey | dondelelcaro: yes, thank you |
| 21:30.13 | firespeaker | dondelelcaro: the user on both machines can start a session from gdm on both machines; ... does that imply that they have permission to connect to the local machine's X server? |
| 21:30.17 | steampunkey | ;-) |
| 21:30.53 | dondelelcaro | firespeaker: they have to have a session on the local machine, and you have to be running ssh -X from a term which has the appropriate env. variables set so that they can connect |
| 21:30.59 | stack_underflow | dondelelcaro, do you mean regexp? i don't know how to use them - is it ok if I use apt-cache search to search for packages and aptitude to install? |
| 21:31.03 | dondelelcaro | firespeaker: if you can run xeyes from that terminal, then ssh -X should work |
| 21:31.23 | dondelelcaro | stack_underflow: no, man aptitude; and read about the search option. You can use whatever you want to search for packages |
| 21:31.37 | firespeaker | dondelelcaro: http://bpaste.net/show/6505/ |
| 21:31.39 | staniel | when I turn my usb hub off (its part of my monitor) and then back on, my usb mouse isn't recognized anymore. and even connecting the mouse to a new port does not allow it to work |
| 21:31.55 | staniel | is there a way to fix that with out restart xorg? |
| 21:32.12 | dondelelcaro | stack_underflow: if you want to search for discriptions, it's aptitude search '~dfoo'; |
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| 21:32.21 | dondelelcaro | (for example) |
| 21:32.40 | firespeaker | dondelelcaro: yes, I'm running the terminal on the local machine from within X |
| 21:32.45 | stack_underflow | dondelelcaro, thanks, i'll read into it |
| 21:33.02 | firespeaker | dondelelcaro: the remote machine doesn't have X running as my user; someone else is currently logged in locally |
| 21:33.25 | firespeaker | dondelelcaro: er, rather, I don't have a session within X; X is running as root I think |
| 21:33.48 | dondelelcaro | firespeaker: that's fine; the remote machine doesn't need it running. Have you restarted sshd on the remote system since you've enabled X11 forwarding? |
| 21:33.55 | jhutchins_lt | firespeaker: X doesn't have to be running, or running as you, on the remote. |
| 21:34.01 | firespeaker | dondelelcaro: like a million times, yeah |
| 21:34.20 | dondelelcaro | firespeaker: hrm; it's definetly requesting X11 forwarding, but for some reason, it's not being enabled |
| 21:34.23 | firespeaker | jhutchins_lt: yeah, just making sure; dondelelcaro was a little ambiguous in what he said... |
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| 21:35.00 | firespeaker | hmm |
| 21:35.22 | dondelelcaro | firespeaker: try again with ssh -vvv -X foohost; want to see if its denying forwarding |
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| 21:36.48 | firespeaker | dondelelcaro: http://bpaste.net/show/6506/ |
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| 21:40.00 | dondelelcaro | firespeaker: hrm... that all looks just fine |
| 21:40.10 | dondelelcaro | firespeaker: and the remote is Debian, right? |
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| 21:40.17 | firespeaker | yeah, they're both debian |
| 21:40.22 | firespeaker | on the remote host, DISPLAY isn't set |
| 21:40.33 | firespeaker | if I set it to localhost:10.0 it seems to just sit there if I try to run something |
| 21:42.07 | dondelelcaro | firespeaker: hrm... and there's nothing useful in /var/log/auth.log? |
| 21:42.13 | dondelelcaro | firespeaker: can you show your sshd_config? |
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| 21:43.13 | dondelelcaro | firespeaker: the output of /usr/sbin/sshd -T; would actually be more useful, actually. |
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| 21:44.20 | firespeaker | dondelelcaro: hmmm, is this useful? May 19 17:42:26 nimloth sshd[10608]: error: Failed to allocate internet-domain X11 display socket. |
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| 21:45.19 | firespeaker | dondelelcaro: this is the remote machine's sshd -T: http://bpaste.net/show/6507/ |
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| 21:48.31 | dondelelcaro | firespeaker: yeah |
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| 21:50.12 | dondelelcaro | firespeaker: is the loopback interface up? does localhost properly resolve to it? |
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| 21:51.05 | firespeaker | dondelelcaro: on the remote host? |
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| 21:51.23 | firespeaker | dondelelcaro: huh, it was down |
| 21:51.39 | firespeaker | and now it works |
| 21:51.43 | firespeaker | wtf, how did lo get down |
| 21:51.57 | dondelelcaro | heh |
| 21:52.02 | dondelelcaro | yeah, that'll cause these kinds of problems |
| 21:52.12 | firespeaker | yeah, I'm surprised I haven't had other problems |
| 21:52.17 | firespeaker | I should've noticed that |
| 21:52.21 | dondelelcaro | no biggie |
| 21:52.37 | firespeaker | yeah, thanks for your help :-P |
| 21:52.42 | dondelelcaro | firespeaker: make sure you've got auto lo; in /etc/network/interfaces et al; |
| 21:52.57 | dondelelcaro | (and of course, the inet lo loopback stanza) |
| 21:53.16 | firespeaker | auto lo; iface lo inet loopback ? |
| 21:53.18 | dondelelcaro | err, iface lo inet loopback |
| 21:53.19 | dondelelcaro | right |
| 21:53.54 | firespeaker | #sigh# that's what I get for letting my wife use that computer... |
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| 21:54.12 | firespeaker | though I don't have any idea how she managed to take lo down |
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| 22:01.47 | jonathanpoon | hey guys...I was wondering if its possible to determine the number of processes thats writing to a specific disk device |
| 22:02.21 | jonathanpoon | so if I have 2 threads writing to /dev/sda, is it possible to query that information through some program or script? |
| 22:02.32 | zinx | jonathanpoon: # of processes to a specific device, dunno... but check iotop? |
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| 22:05.12 | Mark_ | iotop and iostat are the two big tools for looking at disk io |
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| 22:07.50 | jonathanpoon | zinx: lsof is the tool |
| 22:07.52 | pegasus-rider | Prompt please what service may be listening on 40288 TCP port in a default (except for Xen) Debian installation? |
| 22:07.54 | jonathanpoon | thanks guys! |
| 22:08.27 | lindi- | pegasus-rider: netstat -alpn | grep 40288 |
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| 22:09.13 | Remco | I just updated my testing install and after login it's missing all the interface widgets |
| 22:09.21 | Remco | Besides that, everything works normally |
| 22:09.44 | Remco | Tried a new user, same thing. So it's not my config |
| 22:09.56 | Remco | Ideas on how to get this right again? |
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| 22:10.06 | Remco | KDE btw |
| 22:11.22 | pegasus-rider | PID's not shown |
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| 22:19.11 | maher | are netinstall images for the next stable release (5.0.5) available anywhere? |
| 22:19.35 | lindi- | pegasus-rider: root privileges are needed |
| 22:19.40 | _Letifer_ | this probably isnt the correct forum for this question, but does anyone have a good, safe bittorrent site since mininova went down? |
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| 22:21.05 | SerajewelKS | _Letifer_: yeah, that's kind of off-topic. also, no public bittorrent site can be defined as safe. |
| 22:21.38 | lindi- | SerajewelKS: depends on what safe means |
| 22:21.56 | pegasus-rider | Ah, I knew it. RPC cruft... |
| 22:22.06 | pegasus-rider | Thanks for the help |
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| 22:23.43 | Remco | Why aptitude thought plasma-netbook was needed and not plasma-desktop is beyond me |
| 22:23.53 | Remco | But I have my stuff back, so I'm happy |
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| 22:25.46 | pegasus-rider | I wonder if some one knows if Lemote Loon*x is just a Debian + some additional stuff like apps in the base install or it is a fully-fledged deriviative distro? |
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| 22:27.05 | lindi- | pegasus-rider: from support perspective it's always a different distro really |
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| 22:28.11 | uffo | hello how to set temporary location for profile on some target program instead of home, what command sets profile location |
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| 22:28.34 | lil_cain | Hi, in lenny, where has /etc/ldap.conf gone? |
| 22:29.41 | themill | lil_cain: /etc/ldap/ ? |
| 22:30.06 | ponyofdeath | does debian squeeze installer support preseeding for ext4? |
| 22:30.10 | ponyofdeath | http://pastebin.com/qtfMFhQH this seems to yeild an ext3 setup not ext4 |
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| 22:33.57 | lil_cain | themill: /etc/ldap/ldap.conf was always a different file. Holds openldap config, rahter than config for pam and the like. |
| 22:34.38 | lil_cain | everything in /etc/ldap/ is some kind of openldap goo. |
| 22:35.09 | uffo | hello how to set temporary location for profile on some target program instead of home, what command sets profile folder location |
| 22:35.46 | maher | are netinstall images for the next stable release (5.0.5) available anywhere? |
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| 22:36.06 | maher | alternatively, is it possible to install lenny from a squeeze installer? |
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| 22:40.53 | themill | lil_cain: so you mean /etc/libnss-ldap.conf or /etc/pam_ldap.conf? |
| 22:41.01 | lil_cain | themill: yeah, pam_ldap.conf |
| 22:41.08 | lil_cain | just found it there, thanks. |
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| 22:43.37 | ScottG | What is the difference between the xorg and the xserver-xorg packages? |
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| 22:47.15 | wols | ScottG: look at the dependencies of both and you see |
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| 22:47.52 | ScottG | wols: They seem very similar. Hard to compare them right now. Just installed and am in a tty |
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| 22:49.04 | incredible | I have an SMP server, but I installed a normal debian lenny OS on it. Is there a way I can upgrade the kernel to smp? |
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| 22:49.14 | wols | xorg-server has no fonts for example |
| 22:49.20 | maher | incredible: you should be able to just install an smp kernel |
| 22:49.34 | wols | incredible: all except the -486 kernel are SMP aware |
| 22:49.56 | ScottG | Yea, I just showed each one. Checking it out now |
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| 22:50.05 | wols | and on install you should have autoamtically installed at least a 686 kernel which does SMP just fine |
| 22:50.18 | incredible | Since its a 24 core machine, and its showing just 8 core, I am assuming its the smp kernel problem |
| 22:50.51 | incredible | WARNING: NR_CPUS limit of 8 reached. Processor ignored. |
| 22:51.09 | wols | which kernel do you use? |
| 22:51.21 | incredible | wols: 2.6.26-2-686 |
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| 22:51.57 | themill | wonders why you wouldn't be running amd64 on that |
| 22:52.01 | wols | incredible: how much memory do you have? |
| 22:52.04 | maher | incredible: are you on a 64bit machine? you could try amd64 |
| 22:52.30 | ScottG | wols: What would be the point of getting just the xserver-xorg package? |
| 22:52.33 | incredible | 8 GB but it shows 2 GB right now |
| 22:52.47 | maher | incredible: try amd64 - that's happier with more memory too |
| 22:52.48 | incredible | maher: no I am on 32 bit... and I want to use 32 bit |
| 22:53.15 | incredible | maher: there are some applications that doesn't run on 64 bit.. so I want to stick with 32 bit |
| 22:53.21 | ScottG | wols: It does look like xserver-xorg comes with xfonts-base |
| 22:53.36 | wols | incredible: you can run a 64bit kernel and a 32bit userland |
| 22:53.38 | maher | incredible: you can run 32bit user space on 64bit kernel |
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| 22:54.28 | incredible | wols, maher: Can't this kernel be used anyway? |
| 22:54.44 | xuser | 24 core? run some virtual hypervisor :) |
| 22:54.54 | xuser | and install 32bit guests |
| 22:55.46 | incredible | xuser: All these seem to be too much work... isn't there any simpler solution? |
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| 22:56.42 | maher | incredible: i have a machine that runs 32bit user and 64bit kernel - it required the work of doing aptitude install nameofkernel |
| 22:57.43 | incredible | maher: Can you please tell me how to do that? |
| 22:58.38 | maher | incredible: aptitude search linux-image | grep amd64 |
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| 22:58.53 | maher | incredible: aptitude install <nameofkernel> |
| 22:59.05 | maher | incredible: just pick one that takes your fancy |
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| 23:01.28 | incredible | maher: What is this kernel linux-image-2.6.26-2-686-bigmem? |
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| 23:02.09 | megatog615 | pretty sure its a regular kernel with PAE mode |
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| 23:02.47 | incredible | megatog615: will that be useful in my case? for 24 core and 8GB? |
| 23:02.58 | maher | incredible: its a 32bit kernel configured for machines with more memory - you probably still want to be using a 64bit kernel |
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| 23:05.59 | befghh | I tried to install openoffice.3.2 on debian stable 1: sources.list= deb http://www.backports.org/debian lenny-backports main contrib non-free 2:aptitude install -t lenny-backports openoffice.org |
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| 23:06.28 | befghh | what happened was that I got O.O 3.2 but gnome was uninstalled |
| 23:07.44 | befghh | so I had to do the following command for reinstalling it: aptitude install gnome |
| 23:08.25 | befghh | now gnome and O.O 3.2 works as it should |
| 23:08.56 | befghh | but I wonder why the initial aptitude operation removes gnome, any idea? |
| 23:09.35 | ScottG | How would I go about uninstalling grub2 and installing grub1? I've had A LOT of problems with grub2 |
| 23:10.43 | incredible | what are Xen kernels? |
| 23:11.57 | maher | incredible: kernels that let you run xen virtual machines |
| 23:12.37 | megatog615 | ScottG: what kind of problems? |
| 23:12.59 | megatog615 | i had some problems too but i sorta figured it out from trial and error |
| 23:13.11 | megatog615 | maybe you have a problem i had |
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| 23:14.31 | ScottG | megatog615: Screwed up my boot and root partitions. Luckily I had /home on a separate partition. |
| 23:14.54 | ScottG | megatog615: My friend had a similar problem. Plus I know how to configure grub-legacy much easier |
| 23:15.12 | ScottG | megatog615: I purged grub-pc and am not installing grub-legacy |
| 23:15.34 | ScottG | now* |
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| 23:17.31 | megatog615 | ScottG: hmm, ok |
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| 23:21.12 | SerajewelKS | ScottG: also, filing bugs is more helpful to the rest of the community than downgrading (or at least file bugs in addition to downgrading) |
| 23:21.41 | syslq | aptitude did not remove dependencys installed with gdesklets package, I did it manually by checking the log file. Any ideas why? |
| 23:22.01 | SerajewelKS | syslq: because the dependencies were not marked as automatically installed, probably |
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| 23:22.59 | syslq | SerajewelKS: yeah, most likely, this has never happened to me so far |
| 23:23.05 | syslq | Is it a package's fault? |
| 23:23.39 | abrotman | syslq: depends how you installed it |
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| 23:23.57 | ScottG | SerajewelKS: Well I personally have no idea what happened. It happened mid semester so I didn't have the time to figure out the exact cause. It very well might not have been grub but the problem was very similar to the one my friend had. Either way, I know how to configure grub-legacy much better and would like to use it now |
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| 23:24.46 | SerajewelKS | ScottG: ah, well if you get a chance to tinker, installing grub-pc again and figuring out what happened, and reporting it if it's a bug would help others who could be hit with the same problem |
| 23:25.14 | syslq | abrotman: aptitude install gdesklets, and aptitude purge gdesklets, basically the same thing I always do |
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| 23:27.36 | ScottG | SerajewelKS: Well I would have absolutely no idea how to find that out. |
| 23:28.31 | SerajewelKS | ScottG: ok :) |
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| 23:39.01 | befghh | could someone please answer my question? |
| 23:39.44 | maher | befghh: some sort of conflict between the dependencies probably |
| 23:40.12 | JordiGH | befghh: Probably the gnome package marked many other packages for autoinstallation. |
| 23:40.22 | JordiGH | befghh: So removing the gnome package removed all of those others. |
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| 23:41.17 | befghh | so what's your recommendations if I would want to do it again without removing gnome |
| 23:41.46 | befghh | should I use apt-get instead? |
| 23:41.51 | epsilon | befghh: if you're unsure about dependency / version conflict, never mix up stable/testing/backlprts whatever |
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| 23:42.56 | maher | befghh: aptitude should ask you before uninstalling stuff |
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| 23:43.51 | chris_eee | Hi All, Can someone tell me how to be able to get U-Tube audio without having to run firefox as root? TMIA! |
| 23:44.05 | pipeline | chris_eee: add your unprivileged user to the audio group. Log out. Log back in. |
| 23:44.42 | chris_eee | pipeline, that user is in the audio group :-(. |
| 23:44.53 | pipeline | chris_eee: check permissions on audio devices. Maybe you have garbage udev rules creating things with garbage permissions. |
| 23:45.20 | chris_eee | pipeline, That is one thing I hadn't checked, will do - Thanks *very* much! |
| 23:45.35 | man_in_shack | running firefox as root is incredibly dangerous |
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| 23:46.04 | chris_eee | man_in_shack, No kidding, that is why I have been doing without other than once to see if it worked - it did :-( |
| 23:46.25 | chris_eee | man_in_shack, 73 :-). |
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| 23:46.47 | man_in_shack | afaik, flashplugin still uses oss, so you should probably double-check the permissions on /dev/dsp |
| 23:46.56 | man_in_shack | assuming you're not using a software mixer |
| 23:47.25 | chris_eee | man_in_shack, IIRC it is ALSA, but not on that box right now. WIll give that a go when I get back. |
| 23:47.57 | man_in_shack | well, i needed to lsof firefox recently, and flashplugin had /dev/dsp open :P |
| 23:48.10 | man_in_shack | maybe it falls back to alsa when dsp is not available, i'm not sure |
| 23:48.50 | pipeline | alsa provides /dev/dsp via alsa-oss |
| 23:49.17 | chris_eee | man_in_shack, `Lots of possibilities, googled on this until my eyes bead and so far nothing has helped. Got wincrap on the eee if there is something I just HAVE to listen to :-). |
| 23:49.23 | man_in_shack | alsa's oss support is not to be confused with alsa-oss, which provides aoss |
| 23:49.39 | man_in_shack | pipeline, and alsa's /dev/dsp isn't compatible with dmix |
| 23:49.57 | man_in_shack | i have an audigy 2zs, so i have hardware mixing :D |
| 23:49.59 | pipeline | buy a real sound card, no need for dmix |
| 23:50.08 | chris_eee | man_in_shack, Will sort that out when I get back, it is an old deb5 install that I keep simply for KDE3.5. |
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| 23:50.19 | man_in_shack | pipeline, not really an option for laptops, but yes |
| 23:50.20 | pipeline | in an era when a sound card is ten bucks, not really sure why 48 khz software mixing integrated shit is the norm (??) |
| 23:50.33 | pipeline | man_in_shack: laptop audio is so uselessly bad you might as well get a usb sound card anyway |
| 23:50.59 | man_in_shack | pfft, plug in external powered speakers and it's fine |
| 23:51.04 | man_in_shack | pipeline, soundcards are $10 because they keep cutting corners |
| 23:51.13 | chris_eee | Got a SB Live! in that thing, this just stopped working one day, perhaps on an update, didn't notice it for a while and just figured that the ones I was trying to listen to were screwed up. |
| 23:51.18 | man_in_shack | like taking out the stuff that makes them soundcards, and replacing it with software that does the same |
| 23:51.26 | pipeline | man_in_shack: sound cards are $10 because a high-end dac/adc is like two bucks. |
| 23:51.28 | pipeline | man_in_shack: it's 2010. |
| 23:51.42 | chris_eee | pipeline, That dear old legacy and cheap computer owners ;-). |
| 23:51.50 | man_in_shack | pipeline, does a $10 sound card have a hardware mixer in it though? |
| 23:51.58 | pipeline | man_in_shack: yes, why else would you buy a sound card ? |
| 23:52.00 | DogBoy | high end eh |
| 23:52.13 | pipeline | I have an emu10k1. It's crappier than your average $10 soundcard. It still has hardware mixing :D |
| 23:52.45 | incredible | I just installed linux-image2.6.26-2-amd64. But it still shows sizeof(unsigned long) = 4. How come? I thought it would be 8 bytes? |
| 23:52.47 | chris_eee | Funny how everyone has to do video when 99% of what I see in that could have been done much easier in text - the video adds nothing but a face in almost all cases. |
| 23:53.17 | chris_eee | Anyhoo, thanks, will check on the permissions when I get back. |
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| 23:53.44 | man_in_shack | pipeline, maybe i'm out of touch. last i looked at hardware soundcards, a $10 card was just a mobo integrated sound card with more channels |
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| 23:55.20 | man_in_shack | now you get LAPTOPS with 7.1. seriously, wtfreakingf? |
| 23:55.21 | pipeline | incredible: gcc -m64 ? |
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| 23:55.31 | pipeline | man_in_shack: kinda pointless given the interference level in a laptop eh |
| 23:55.39 | man_in_shack | yeah |
| 23:55.53 | incredible | g++ |
| 23:55.59 | incredible | pipeline: g++ |
| 23:56.03 | pipeline | incredible: doesn't matter. Try -m64 flag. |
| 23:56.16 | incredible | ok |
| 23:56.22 | man_in_shack | at some point, i'm going to need to put together a media centre computer |
| 23:57.27 | pipeline | man_in_shack: broadcom crystalhd is about $20, offload all h264 decode. Then you can use an atom or an old core duo or something, no need for a beefy system. |
| 23:57.46 | man_in_shack | neato |
| 23:58.46 | man_in_shack | i wonder if they still make tvs with dvi |
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