| 00:00.28 | markinfo | i am deleting my HDD: dcfldd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdd but i had to interrupt it and start it again with dcfldd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdd seek=4000000 but ist continues always at 400Mb and at 12000 blocks. I want to go blocks 4mil and (125000Mb) |
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| 00:04.47 | dondelelcaro | markinfo: does normal dd work properly? |
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| 00:06.55 | Vorbote | markinfo: you may want to try something different, "shred -z /dev/sdd". It'll do three pseudorandom passes and then zero out the drive. |
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| 00:08.37 | markinfo | but the HDD is very big - i do not have time to wait at once 3 Hours ..... how to make it on three sessions? |
| 00:09.25 | markinfo | dondelelcaro, "dd" does not show progress. |
| 00:09.26 | djura-san | im off for. night and have a nice chat :) |
| 00:09.59 | befghh | when will the next stable version of debian be out? |
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| 00:10.55 | man_in_shack | befghh, when it's ready |
| 00:10.55 | amphi | befghh: after some time |
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| 00:11.02 | dondelelcaro | markinfo: it will if you send it USR1 |
| 00:11.16 | befghh | an estimated time for it? |
| 00:11.19 | BrendenB- | I'm not sure whats wrong here? Can anyone help http://pastebin.com/5nCgCkLV |
| 00:11.23 | man_in_shack | befghh, some time after now |
| 00:11.37 | Vorbote | markinfo: Create a partition on /dev/sdd, format it with something fast (ext2). As root do: "cat /dev/zero >> /point/where/sdd/is/mounted". You can interrupt and resume the process as many times as you want. |
| 00:11.43 | befghh | cause debian 5 have been out for a while |
| 00:12.03 | Vorbote | markinfo: Rinse and repeat. |
| 00:12.04 | man_in_shack | befghh, so you know it's good! |
| 00:12.14 | amphi | !tell befghh -about wwsr |
| 00:12.36 | befghh | yes but alot of apps who's coming with it is out of date right now |
| 00:12.43 | man_in_shack | so use testing |
| 00:13.02 | amphi | !sns |
| 00:13.02 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
| 00:13.39 | BrendenB- | I'm not sure whats wrong here? Can anyone help? http://pastebin.com/5nCgCkLV |
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| 00:14.08 | befghh | backports got dependency problems when Im trying it out for O.O 3.2 |
| 00:14.42 | man_in_shack | debian stable means "tried, tested and working", unlike ubuntu stable which means "we broke stuff because we haven't tested it in the 6 months since the last release" |
| 00:15.24 | befghh | another question anyone who knows some good skins for gnome? |
| 00:15.49 | man_in_shack | the brown-like-manure theme ubuntu uses is quite popular |
| 00:15.52 | befghh | or if's recommended to change the GUI to another |
| 00:16.00 | dotCOMmie | BrendenB-: that does not look nice |
| 00:16.02 | man_in_shack | what did they call it, "human"? |
| 00:16.21 | man_in_shack | befghh, i personally use xfce, but no one can recommend what will be best for YOU |
| 00:16.47 | befghh | the one which's most eye-candy |
| 00:16.49 | amphi | befghh: clearlooks shadow is quite pleasant, if you like dark themes |
| 00:17.06 | BrendenB- | dotCOMmie, and? |
| 00:17.11 | amphi | I can't stand large areas of fffff and close relatives |
| 00:17.12 | BrendenB- | dotCOMmie, im trying to fix it |
| 00:17.21 | BrendenB- | dotCOMmie, idk what to do tho |
| 00:17.30 | man_in_shack | kde is 99% eye-candy and 1% unusable brokenness |
| 00:17.37 | amphi | heh |
| 00:17.37 | man_in_shack | but that's just my opinion |
| 00:17.57 | befghh | kde is it hard to change between gnome and kde? |
| 00:17.58 | man_in_shack | xfce + compiz is not a bad combination too |
| 00:18.20 | man_in_shack | befghh, why would it be hard? |
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| 00:18.44 | befghh | so how will I do it then? |
| 00:18.55 | man_in_shack | start by installing kde |
| 00:18.57 | befghh | any link or commands for it? |
| 00:19.11 | befghh | ok, and then? |
| 00:19.20 | man_in_shack | then wait while it downloads and installs |
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| 00:19.31 | befghh | hehe okej |
| 00:19.44 | man_in_shack | there's a fine line between helping and hand-holding |
| 00:20.08 | man_in_shack | i haven't had to install a different window manager/desktop environment for years |
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| 00:20.20 | man_in_shack | but i know if you install kdm and gdm, debconf asks you which one you want to use |
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| 00:21.04 | befghh | okej |
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| 00:21.17 | man_in_shack | now that i'm thinking of it, whatever happened to the kde version of rosegarden? |
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| 00:23.54 | dotCOMmie | BrendenB-: can you pastebin nxservers init script? |
| 00:24.08 | BrendenB- | k |
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| 00:24.26 | man_in_shack | hmm, apparently rosegarden is qt4 now. i'll have to look into that ... |
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| 00:24.38 | BrendenB- | dotCOMmie, er i cant find it |
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| 00:24.55 | dotCOMmie | is nxserver debian even? |
| 00:25.05 | dondelelcaro | dotCOMmie: it's not |
| 00:25.30 | dotCOMmie | BrendenB-: you don't have the init script? |
| 00:25.40 | dotCOMmie | BrendenB-: check RCs |
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| 00:25.44 | BrendenB- | nvm |
| 00:26.13 | man_in_shack | oh, taht also reminds me |
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| 00:26.45 | man_in_shack | is there a standard procedure for adding custom boot scripts to the new dependency-based sysvrc thingy? |
| 00:27.14 | dotCOMmie | nvm what? |
| 00:27.17 | dondelelcaro | man_in_shack: yes; follow the LSB specification |
| 00:28.46 | megatog615 | so i hear upstart sucks |
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| 00:28.57 | man_in_shack | where do i find the relevant part of the spec? :) |
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| 00:29.57 | dondelelcaro | man_in_shack: http://wiki.debian.org/LSBInitScripts |
| 00:30.07 | man_in_shack | thanks |
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| 00:37.22 | man_in_shack | debconf/dialog is giving me "<Yesç½cy!>" and "<Nosç½cy!>" for buttons ... anyone know what could be causing that? |
| 00:38.01 | man_in_shack | i have debconf-english installed, if that helps |
| 00:38.17 | man_in_shack | locale is en_AU.UTF-8 |
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| 00:45.28 | mefaz | hi |
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| 00:46.23 | markinfo | should this "if=/dev/sdd count=1" not show a first block of sdd? it shows nothing. |
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| 00:46.25 | mefaz | could anybody tell me how can I generate/find/create a log of library build? |
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| 00:49.05 | Appetite | I'm having trouble with the driver for my wireless adapter. it worked under ubuntu, but now it can't load the firmware it says |
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| 00:49.23 | mefaz | I did ./configure and it generates config.log but I need the log of build |
| 00:49.23 | Appetite | usb 5-3: (p54usb) cannot load firmware is13886usb (-2)! |
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| 00:50.43 | Armada64 | http://webbax.se/pics/hotgirl.jpg |
| 00:51.48 | megatog615 | gotta love noscript |
| 00:51.56 | markinfo | can "dd" display direct data in Terminal? |
| 00:52.14 | markinfo | not to save them in another file? |
| 00:52.18 | Riviera | sure |
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| 00:52.41 | spaceace | hi guys |
| 00:52.41 | Riviera | just omit the of= operand |
| 00:52.50 | spaceace | Is it possible to do something like use Samba to mount the /dev/lp1 port from another machine seamlessly? |
| 00:53.23 | Wyzard | spaceace: You can share printers over a network, but it's not done by forwarding the raw parallel port |
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| 00:54.00 | Wyzard | spaceace: The preferred way to do it these days is with CUPS, though samba can also do printer sharing in its own way |
| 00:54.32 | markinfo | Riviera, "if=/dev/sdd count=1" does not show anything. |
| 00:56.18 | markinfo | dd if=/dev/sdd count=10 - 10+0 records in - 10+0 records out - 5120 bytes (5.1 kB) copied, 0.00264203 s, 1.9 MB/s |
| 00:56.24 | markinfo | where are data? |
| 00:57.21 | Appetite | I'm having trouble with the driver for my wireless adapter. it worked under ubuntu, but now it can't load the firmware it says "usb 5-3: (p54usb) cannot load firmware is13886usb (-2)!" |
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| 01:25.25 | muhoo | how can i turn tls on for exim4? |
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| 01:39.30 | muhoo | how would i set up exim4 to do tls on debian lenny? |
| 01:39.51 | Rienzilla | that is in the docs |
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| 01:39.58 | Rienzilla | google is your friend |
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| 01:43.56 | muhoo | thanks http://www.debian-administration.org/users/lee/weblog/19 |
| 01:44.10 | muhoo | better, http://www.debian-administration.org/article/HowTo_Setup_Basic_SMTP_AUTH_in_Exim4 |
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| 01:46.20 | Rienzilla | good luck |
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| 01:46.39 | muhoo | seems very easy |
| 01:46.41 | muhoo | so far |
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| 01:47.32 | masclic | hello |
| 01:47.50 | masclic | I need the 5 dvds download for intall the debian linux in my pc? |
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| 01:48.04 | avi__ | no masclic just the first one |
| 01:48.15 | avi__ | to install a basic setup,you just need the first one |
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| 01:49.20 | muhoo | hmm, no go |
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| 01:51.28 | muhoo | ah, restart, and edit exim4.conf.template, not exim4.conf |
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| 02:03.09 | bikcmp | Hello everyone, for my debian server, I'd like to add a user that can't see a directory's files. (no cd / then ls, just a example) |
| 02:03.20 | bikcmp | Is there any way to do this? |
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| 02:03.56 | abrotman | for just that user or every user but the owner ? |
| 02:04.00 | abrotman | !permissions |
| 02:04.00 | dpkg | For more information on permissions, read info coreutils 'File Permissions' and http://mywiki.wooledge.org/Permissions or http://www.comptechdoc.org/os/linux/usersguide/linux_ugfilesp.html - for even further info see these http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_permission and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chmod, or follow the setuid and setgid links found in the wikipedia pages, or http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions, or <qotd232> |
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| 02:06.32 | bikcmp | abrotman: For everyone |
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| 02:08.31 | muhoo | exim is only slightly less convoluted than sendmail :-) |
| 02:08.45 | abrotman | you could try postfix ? |
| 02:08.53 | muhoo | good call |
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| 02:17.25 | omes | is there somebody here willing to test the speed of a webserver for me? |
| 02:17.56 | abrotman | omes: you can do it |
| 02:17.58 | omes | i have a 100mb file that you can download tell me what average and peak speed you get :) |
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| 02:18.07 | neonDragon | link |
| 02:18.08 | omes | abrotman: i've already used all the servers i have access to |
| 02:18.12 | omes | http://omes.grwh.net/100mb |
| 02:18.29 | omes | its a all-zero file so be sure to disable gzip :) |
| 02:19.17 | neonDragon | it was about 700KB/s, now gone up to 1.66MB/s |
| 02:19.50 | omes | where was that server located? |
| 02:19.59 | neonDragon | Maidenhead, United Kingdom |
| 02:20.02 | omes | and what's the max speed of the internet connection? |
| 02:20.07 | neonDragon | average 1.14MB/s |
| 02:20.20 | neonDragon | it's on a 100Mb/s connection |
| 02:20.32 | Juzzy | omes: i can test |
| 02:20.35 | omes | Juzzy: thanks |
| 02:21.00 | Juzzy | pm url |
| 02:21.06 | omes | Juzzy: http://omes.grwh.net/100mb |
| 02:21.18 | jnewt | i have mdadm running, ps aux | grep mdadm reports mdadm --m. this tells me it's monitor , but manpage shows -m for mail. i want to know where it is logging / monoring, where the data is, is it just in the mdstat file? |
| 02:21.36 | Juzzy | 4.5m/s spike |
| 02:21.53 | omes | Juzzy: cool, what's the avg? |
| 02:22.03 | Juzzy | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:22.28 | Juzzy | 13 hops, 42ms |
| 02:22.45 | Juzzy | sec i have a 100mbit on xo, lemme pull from that |
| 02:23.04 | omes | 2010-05-20 01:22:33 (7.08 MB/s) - `100mb.2' saved [100000000/100000000] |
| 02:23.16 | omes | Scranton, USA |
| 02:23.34 | Juzzy | looks like about the same |
| 02:23.37 | Juzzy | nm |
| 02:23.41 | Juzzy | woot |
| 02:23.49 | Juzzy | i hit 11mb/s at the end |
| 02:23.56 | Juzzy | 21:23:39 (6.22 MB/s) - `100mb' saved |
| 02:24.04 | Juzzy | thats from xo |
| 02:24.12 | muhoo | cool, postfix works with tls, nice |
| 02:24.13 | Juzzy | which is your uplink |
| 02:24.21 | muhoo | or appears to, anyway. a lot easier than exim4 |
| 02:24.42 | Juzzy | muh2000: it absolutly does |
| 02:24.45 | Juzzy | per domain too |
| 02:25.15 | omes | Juzzy: Waveform Technology, LLC |
| 02:25.40 | Juzzy | ah, this is taking level3 right now |
| 02:25.50 | Juzzy | we're running bgp befotween l3 and xo |
| 02:25.52 | Juzzy | between |
| 02:26.00 | Juzzy | 100mbit on each side |
| 02:26.05 | abrotman | !ot |
| 02:26.05 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
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| 02:26.26 | omes | Juzzy: see you in #debian-offtopic? |
| 02:26.31 | Juzzy | no. |
| 02:26.38 | omes | hehe ok |
| 02:26.44 | Juzzy | why would i join an -offtopic channel? |
| 02:26.53 | abrotman | because you're not on topic in this channel |
| 02:27.01 | omes | Juzzy: cause abrotman is being political |
| 02:27.12 | Juzzy | I'm answering questions :) |
| 02:27.16 | Juzzy | and helping |
| 02:27.26 | abrotman | It's offtopic, take it to msg or -offtopic |
| 02:27.28 | Juzzy | sorry to break the silence |
| 02:27.34 | neonDragon | calls security |
| 02:27.36 | Juzzy | i'll go back idle |
| 02:27.36 | omes | Juzzy: im with you hehe |
| 02:27.37 | Juzzy | :_ |
| 02:28.13 | neonDragon | So, I upgraded linux-image from 2.6.26-2-xen-amd64 to 2.6.32-5-xen-amd64, and when booting into the 2.6.32 system, as soon as the kernel starts up, the (ps/2 or usb) keyboard stops working. I've tried irqpoll, noapic, acpi=off.. google doesn't seem to give much insight into it. Happens with 2 machines I've tried (an intel and an amd server) Anyone seen this problem or have an idea of what to try? |
| 02:28.18 | neonDragon | nods |
| 02:28.18 | Juzzy | I used to run a stock channel (semi still do) but i was a nazi about offtopic convo during trading hours, I understand |
| 02:28.33 | neonDragon | it makes it quite difficult to use the computers |
| 02:28.54 | Juzzy | neonDragon: that's a kernel question, you need to take that elsewhere |
| 02:28.59 | Juzzy | we only cover apt-* here |
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| 02:29.03 | Juzzy | :p |
| 02:29.05 | abrotman | Juzzy: knock it off |
| 02:29.07 | omes | Juzzy: :P |
| 02:29.11 | neonDragon | this makes me a sad dragon |
| 02:29.38 | abrotman | neonDragon: stops working where? in X or at the console? |
| 02:29.43 | neonDragon | at the console |
| 02:29.48 | Juzzy | its running xen or inside of xen? |
| 02:30.00 | neonDragon | as soon as the kernel loads, the keyboard won't respond, caps lock light won't come on etc. |
| 02:30.18 | Juzzy | try a non-xen kernel? |
| 02:30.23 | neonDragon | this is the xen dom0 so xen loads then the kernel loads |
| 02:30.30 | Juzzy | ah :/ |
| 02:30.50 | Juzzy | sorry, i run vmware exclusivley :( |
| 02:31.18 | neonDragon | I find it weird that two quite different machines show exactly the same problem, yet all I've been able to find about it is a dell laptop that had the problem |
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| 02:31.21 | abrotman | neonDragon: tried a non-xen kernel ? |
| 02:31.31 | neonDragon | abrotman: I haven't |
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| 02:31.52 | neonDragon | I'll try one to see what happens... but 2.6.26 works with this version of xen |
| 02:33.09 | abrotman | neonDragon: did you check the BTS ? |
| 02:33.26 | abrotman | neonDragon: wait .. did you upgrade the whole machine or just the kernel ? |
| 02:34.05 | neonDragon | libapt-pkg-perl libuuid-perl linux-base linux-image-2.6-xen-amd64 linux-image-2.6.32-5-xen-amd64 |
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| 02:34.32 | neonDragon | that's what came with it from unstable |
| 02:35.02 | abrotman | oh jeez .. mixing versions of debian is a great way to break things .. |
| 02:35.27 | neonDragon | :D |
| 02:35.41 | abrotman | no .. really |
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| 02:36.18 | abrotman | sadly there's no xen flavor in backports |
| 02:36.21 | neonDragon | I guess... however I think it's definitely a kernel issue as the keyboard stops responding the instant the kernel is loaded |
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| 02:36.42 | abrotman | neonDragon: it could be a dozen things .. initramfs, udev .. all kinds of stuff |
| 02:36.46 | neonDragon | hmm |
| 02:36.56 | neonDragon | I've checked the debian bug tracker and the kernel.org tracker |
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| 02:39.07 | neonDragon | I guess it could be the configuration then -- debian is configured the same on both machines even though the hardware is very different |
| 02:39.41 | abrotman | or it could be that you're mixing versions of debian .. which is a VERY bad thing |
| 02:39.52 | neonDragon | yes, that's what I meant by the configuration :) |
| 02:40.07 | abrotman | well, it's not debian that's configured .. it's your wacky configuration |
| 02:40.19 | neonDragon | aw :( |
| 02:41.53 | neonDragon | I'd have hoped using a newer kernel version shoudln't be too wacky a thing to do |
| 02:42.02 | muhoo | hmm, this is old: http://www.jimmy.co.at/weblog/?p=52 doesn't appear to be anymore saslauthd |
| 02:42.10 | neonDragon | The nearly two year old 2.6.26 has a problem with slow access for the disks i'm using an high iowait |
| 02:42.11 | epsilon | no, mixing up versions actually breaks the system |
| 02:42.31 | abrotman | neonDragon: that's nice .. but you can't just grab a random kernel without considering what regressions might occur |
| 02:42.41 | abrotman | or the dependencies .. |
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| 02:44.13 | neonDragon | apt considers the dependencies, apt pulled in the dependencies when I asked for linux-image-2.6.32-5-xen-amd64 |
| 02:44.59 | abrotman | neonDragon: so where is your newer udev? i know those newer kernels hvae different udev dependencies |
| 02:45.54 | muhoo | where the hell is saslauthd in debian?! |
| 02:45.56 | muhoo | lenny |
| 02:46.01 | muhoo | doesn't appear to exist |
| 02:46.09 | abrotman | dpkg: find saslauthd lenny |
| 02:46.28 | epsilon | we really need a simpsons episode, where Bart is writing down on the chalkboard "I will not mix up debian versions. I will not mix up debian versions. I will..." |
| 02:46.57 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'saslauthd' (3 of 4): (/usr/lib/debug/usr/sbin/{saslauthd|testsaslauthd}) in libdevel/cyrus-sasl2-dbg ;; (/etc/init.d/saslauthd, /etc/default/saslauthd, /usr/sbin/{saslauthd|testsaslauthd}) in utils/sasl2-bin ;; (/etc/logcheck/ignore.d.server/saslauthd, /etc/logcheck/violations.ignore.d/logcheck-saslauthd) in admin/logcheck-database. |
| 02:47.21 | abrotman | muhoo: sasl2-bin .. seems the winner |
| 02:47.30 | muhoo | thanks |
| 02:47.50 | abrotman | !tell muhoo about apt-file |
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| 02:49.08 | dbdii407 | my vps is having issues connecting to ftp.us.debian.org anyone know why? |
| 02:49.36 | neonDragon | abrotman: linux-image-2.6.32-5-xen-amd64 Depends: initramfs-tools (>= 0.55), initramfs-tools Depends: udev (>= 0.086-1) |
| 02:50.12 | abrotman | dbdii407: it's a round robin .. perhaps try another mirror |
| 02:50.30 | dbdii407 | abchirk, how'd i do that? |
| 02:50.41 | abrotman | neonDragon: well, you have access to some virtualization .. maybve you should try to virtualize a sid instance to see if it's just your hardware or the kernel |
| 02:50.55 | abrotman | dbdii407: change ftp.us.debian.org to something like ftp.ca.debian.org ? |
| 02:51.08 | dbdii407 | I'd have no clue how to do that |
| 02:51.10 | dbdii407 | I use arch |
| 02:51.12 | dbdii407 | normally |
| 02:51.24 | abrotman | dbdii407: edit /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 02:53.39 | dbdii407 | weird. that isn't working either |
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| 02:53.48 | jones_ | why am i gettting package corrupt errors such as the following: Warning: http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian/pool/main/a/aptitude/aptitude_0.4.11.11-1~lenny1_armel.deb was corrupt |
| 02:53.55 | lindenle | Hi guys can I bond teo network interfaces (i.e. wifi and usb tether through my phone?) |
| 02:53.59 | jones_ | i've tried at least 5 different mirrors |
| 02:54.13 | z1y | hello all. I'd like to have postgresql 8.4 on Lenny, but postgresql 8.4 is marked at "unstable". Our sever is production. it isn't good to use postgres8.4 on lenny, is it? |
| 02:54.43 | abrotman | dbdii407: use a pastebin for tha tfile |
| 02:54.54 | abrotman | !bonding |
| 02:54.54 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, bonding is configuring two NICs with same IP address, increasing throughput and providing failover. For setup instructions, see http://wiki.debian.org/Bonding . See also http://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/networking/bonding.txt . Older information at http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/350 |
| 02:55.18 | dbdii407 | abrotman, i can give it to you in one line |
| 02:55.32 | dbdii407 | deb http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian lenny main |
| 02:55.38 | abrotman | seems fine |
| 02:55.52 | abrotman | dbdii407: what's the error ? |
| 02:56.00 | dbdii407 | 0% [Connecting to ftp.ca.debian.org] |
| 02:56.21 | abrotman | dbdii407: at the console: nslookup ftp.ca.debian.org ? |
| 02:56.37 | lindenle | !beer abrotman |
| 02:56.37 | dpkg | pulls out a fine Gulden Drak for abrotman |
| 02:56.52 | dbdii407 | -bash: nslookup: command not found |
| 02:56.57 | abrotman | host? dig? |
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| 02:59.20 | Xenguy | For tireless (occasionally bitchy :P ) support of all things debian over the years... |
| 02:59.49 | Xenguy | ... |
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| 03:01.17 | Xenguy | OK that timing was quite funny |
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| 03:02.16 | lindenle | abrotman: so i guess I can't do what I want with bonding...is there any other way to share bandwidth over two dynamic network connections? Maybe some fancy iptables rules... |
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| 03:04.10 | Xenguy | lindenle: I think abrotman left a short time ago |
| 03:04.26 | lindenle | ah ok, no worries, I am looking into it via google |
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| 03:32.54 | ScottG | How would I go about adding non-free repositories? |
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| 03:37.53 | DogBoy | ScottG, edit your /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 03:40.32 | ScottG | DogBoy: How do I edit it, though? Do I just add "non-free" to the end of each source line? |
| 03:41.05 | DogBoy | ScottG, your question is akin to looking for a quarter over there because the light is better |
| 03:41.12 | DogBoy | what is it you are trying to do? |
| 03:42.12 | DogBoy | ScottG, here is from mine: |
| 03:42.19 | DogBoy | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free |
| 03:42.36 | DogBoy | same thing for source line |
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| 03:43.53 | nsadmin | the repositories just have the name "non-free"... they could be called "fred" |
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| 03:44.54 | nsadmin | so any repository could (but doesn't have to) contain a non-free section |
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| 03:48.18 | nsadmin | which implies... that when you want to add non-free, you need to know what the repository actually has |
| 03:48.24 | ScottG | DogBoy: Hm yea that is what I did |
| 03:49.09 | DogBoy | that's what I was getting at nsadmin |
| 03:49.12 | ScottG | nsadmin: Well I am on a fresh install so I would assume that non-free would work for all of the lines |
| 03:49.22 | DogBoy | better to start with what he was trying to do |
| 03:49.24 | ScottG | Yea I understand what you are sayin |
| 03:49.25 | ScottG | g |
| 03:49.29 | nsadmin | have you shown "all the lines"? |
| 03:50.08 | nsadmin | why do you want non-free? (separate train of thought) |
| 03:50.31 | ScottG | looking for a non-free package |
| 03:50.42 | nsadmin | just one? |
| 03:50.44 | nsadmin | which? |
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| 03:50.53 | ScottG | nsadmin: Should I need to update/refresh anything? |
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| 03:51.07 | ScottG | nsadmin: firmware-linux-non-free or something like that |
| 03:51.11 | nsadmin | yes, if you change sources.list you will need to update |
| 03:51.20 | nsadmin | oh ok |
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| 03:51.34 | nsadmin | so you're trying to make a device work |
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| 03:51.46 | ScottG | nsadmin: Yea |
| 03:52.17 | nsadmin | wireless chipset? |
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| 03:53.16 | ScottG | nsadmin: Graphics I believe. Trying to get compiz to work basically. At least for now. |
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| 03:53.37 | nsadmin | oh ok... are you running the linux now? |
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| 03:54.03 | ScottG | The what? |
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| 03:54.28 | nsadmin | the installation, the debian you just installed |
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| 03:54.52 | nsadmin | or did you just now install... forgot :) |
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| 03:55.23 | nsadmin | point is, can you run lspci -nn and tell us the line of the device you're trying to deal with |
| 03:55.53 | ScottG | nsadmin: Yea I'm on it now. |
| 03:56.07 | ScottG | nsadmin: I really don't know. I was just told to get this package |
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| 03:56.49 | nsadmin | ok, the person who told you this is trying to help you support your device? |
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| 04:00.22 | ScottG | nsadmin: Trying to help me get compiz working :P |
| 04:00.25 | nsadmin | ok |
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| 04:00.59 | nsadmin | so, show this: wc -l /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 04:01.18 | nsadmin | run that command and show what it replies |
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| 04:05.02 | ScottG | Well everythig seems to work now |
| 04:05.21 | ScottG | Why do you want to know how many lines y sources.list is? |
| 04:05.28 | ScottG | I could have 50 commented lines :P |
| 04:05.37 | ScottG | I'm off to bed, but thanks for you help |
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| 04:06.06 | nsadmin | true, but you wouldn't have added said comments if the file was just now autogenerated from installing debian :) |
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| 04:07.00 | nsadmin | anyway |
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| 04:07.05 | nsadmin | glad it worked out |
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| 04:12.24 | magyar | hi, how do i check for packages that are in "c" mode, where not purged but deleted? |
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| 04:14.52 | wols_ | magyar: dpkg -l |grep ^rc |
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| 04:17.20 | magyar | wols_: thanks |
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| 04:24.15 | Kapace | im running sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, and it just returns... doesn't do anything.. |
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| 04:30.54 | dev2 | can somebody get me going in the right direction in installing vim 7.2 (I can't seem to get it out of 7.1) |
| 04:32.15 | qq- | , versions vim |
| 04:32.15 | judd | vim -- etch: 1:7.0-122+1etch5; etch-security: 1:7.0-122+1etch5; etch-backports: 1:7.1.314-3+lenny2~bpo40+2; lenny: 1:7.1.314-3+lenny2; squeeze: 2:7.2.330-1; sid: 2:7.2.436+hg~e12b9d992389-1 |
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| 04:33.21 | dev2 | im on lenny |
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| 04:33.26 | qq- | Kapace, Xorg -configure :1 |
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| 04:33.39 | subsume | How can I debug a really slow mail-server (sent mails are taking like an hour) |
| 04:33.49 | dougb | has anyone found any downside to using debian live? |
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| 04:33.57 | Kapace | qq-, segfaulted |
| 04:34.09 | qq- | dev2, 7.1 it is for lenny .. |
| 04:34.31 | dev2 | I need 7.2... is it possible to get that? |
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| 04:35.06 | qq- | dev2, why ? |
| 04:35.24 | dev2 | I need some plugins that arent compatible with 7.1 |
| 04:36.21 | streuner_ | !ssb |
| 04:36.33 | shift_wreck | a buddy of mine has given me access to his server to set up irssi and general irc stuff. problem is hes Finnish. is there any way to set up my user specific language settings? perhaps in .profile? |
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| 04:37.41 | streuner_ | dev2: simple sid backport? |
| 04:38.01 | dev2 | streuner_: dev2 is a newbie... |
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| 04:39.07 | streuner_ | i heard simple sid backport is 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename 4) install the resulting debs, or pay someone to do it properly :) |
| 04:41.45 | dev2 | yeah thats miles over my head |
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| 04:43.30 | wols_ | subsume: start with your mailserver logs |
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| 04:44.08 | wols_ | ,versions vim |
| 04:44.08 | judd | vim -- etch: 1:7.0-122+1etch5; etch-security: 1:7.0-122+1etch5; etch-backports: 1:7.1.314-3+lenny2~bpo40+2; lenny: 1:7.1.314-3+lenny2; squeeze: 2:7.2.330-1; sid: 2:7.2.436+hg~e12b9d992389-1 |
| 04:44.55 | wols_ | dev2: it's not so hard (tho we cannot guarantee success with this method). what part do you have problems with? (remember: one step at a time) |
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| 04:46.49 | dev2 | step 1) what I dont know what I'm adding or where... |
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| 04:48.19 | streuner_ | dev2: deb-src http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ unstable main non-free contrib |
| 04:48.36 | streuner_ | fuck |
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| 04:49.04 | streuner_ | dev2: add this line to /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 04:49.42 | streuner_ | this keyboard of my notebook sucks more and more.. :-( |
| 04:49.57 | wols_ | yeah right, blame you bad typing on your keyboard |
| 04:50.21 | dev2 | done |
| 04:51.28 | dev2 | it wants to download 160mb worth of archives.....that seems like an aweful lot |
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| 04:52.13 | tbsaunde | wols_: netbook keyboards or as I prefer frisbee keyboards do suck |
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| 04:52.46 | dev2 | I'm a slender man with slender fingers and i have a heck of a time on netbooks |
| 04:52.47 | streuner_ | dev2: show us in a pastebin about... |
| 04:53.46 | streuner_ | dev2: 160 MB for vim sounds rather strange... |
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| 04:56.20 | dev2 | http://gist.github.com/407220 |
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| 04:56.47 | dev2 | I already started download it then I stopped it so I could screenscrape |
| 04:57.39 | streuner_ | sure, its texlive. well, it looks ok to me |
| 04:58.45 | nsadmin | you can stop a package install in the middle of a package download... any other time, hope your pkg database survives... |
| 04:59.38 | nsadmin | is tex (and emacs) still in standard? |
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| 05:00.03 | dev2 | hopefully it doesn't ram my virtual drive |
| 05:01.18 | streuner_ | Package: texlive |
| 05:01.19 | streuner_ | Priority: optional |
| 05:01.19 | nsadmin | , info tex |
| 05:01.20 | judd | No record of package 'tex' in lenny/i386. |
| 05:01.38 | nsadmin | so texlive is not |
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| 05:01.59 | nsadmin | I thought they moved emacs from standard to optional a long time ago too |
| 05:02.10 | nsadmin | they were both in standard |
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| 05:09.58 | dev2 | ugh... my drive is full |
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| 05:11.23 | wols_ | dev2: trying to backport vim wouldn't drag in tex. what was the commandline you used so that it tried to install tex? |
| 05:11.30 | jester45 | apt-get clean removes debs that have been downloaded |
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| 05:38.37 | dev2 | apt-get -b source vim |
| 05:38.42 | dev2 | sorry for the delay |
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| 05:57.31 | Prathibha | I am using debian lenny. I have had my X server crash twice since then, both times when I was switching between the tabs in iceweasel browser.How to fix this issue..."I830WaitLpRing(), timeout for 2 seconds + xserver error + AccelMethod XAA"+This is the error in the xorg log file |
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| 06:00.48 | dev2 | finally the install is done eheh |
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| 06:02.31 | dev2 | step 4... |
| 06:02.34 | wols_ | Prathibha: looks like a bug in the intel i810 driver |
| 06:03.16 | Prathibha | wols_, how to solve this... I am not able to upgade to the xserver in sid. Any patch is available for this. |
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| 06:05.35 | wols_ | Prathibha: I doubt there is a patch |
| 06:05.41 | wols_ | ,versions xorg |
| 06:05.42 | judd | xorg -- etch: 1:7.1.0-19; lenny: 1:7.3+20; sid: 1:7.5+6; squeeze: 1:7.5+6 |
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| 06:06.34 | dev2 | wols_: how do I proceed with "install the resulting debs" ? =) |
| 06:07.00 | Prathibha | wols_, Are there any owrk arounds available for this issue. Any change in xorg configuration file will do this? |
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| 06:08.29 | simonrvn | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:09.06 | simonrvn | though lenny, hmm, jelly said something about the intel video and earlier x versions .... |
| 06:09.06 | Prathibha | simonrvn, I'll try it. |
| 06:09.23 | simonrvn | Prathibha: tread lightly, i don't recall what he said exactly |
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| 06:23.46 | STF | has anyone of you expierences with direct connect hubs? |
| 06:23.48 | darrh00 | how to get the build dependencies of a pacakge with actually installing them? |
| 06:24.04 | darrh00 | without actually installing them? |
| 06:24.14 | ssm | darrh00: apt-get -d build-dep <package> ? |
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| 06:30.46 | wols_ | !tell STF about anyone |
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| 06:31.48 | darrh00 | ssm: how about without downloading them too? I want something like apt-cache show <pkg> |grep Depends:, I add -vvv to apt-cache, still no Build-Depends |
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| 06:33.57 | wols_ | darrh00: apt-get tells you what packages it wants to install before it actually does it |
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| 06:34.46 | vallhalla | good * all |
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| 06:35.24 | vallhalla | !nvidia |
| 06:35.24 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Testing users: ask me about <nvidia squeeze>. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net). |
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| 06:44.01 | ddvdd | hi,every1.I have got the debian 1st cd installation image file on win xp.now I'm in slax boot from a usb stick.how can i install debian to hard drive nowwwwwwwwwww |
| 06:44.50 | ddvdd | ? |
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| 06:45.28 | wols_ | !tell ddvdd about debootstrap |
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| 06:49.14 | ddvdd | debootstrap can be installed under slax? |
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| 06:49.35 | darrh00 | wols_:if I've already installed those dependencies, apt-get will do nothing,But I still want to know which packages it build depends, maybe I have to grep through files in /var/lib/apt/lists/xxxx-source_Sources? |
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| 06:50.27 | adi_ | Hello! I have a problem with my debian box. I`ve installed the system few weeks ago and now is not booting anymore if I remove my dvdrom drive. |
| 06:51.23 | ddvdd | ehm,any words on your screen? |
| 06:51.55 | DogBoy | so put back the dvdrom drive |
| 06:51.59 | DogBoy | lol |
| 06:52.33 | DogBoy | you can try editing your grub command line too |
| 06:52.40 | adi_ | Yes, but is not mine. I want to run without dvdrom drive. No many words. It's just blocking when booting kernel. |
| 06:52.44 | valdyn | darrh00: apt-cache show-src <packagename> |
| 06:52.45 | DogBoy | when grub boots |
| 06:53.03 | adi_ | how can i do that? |
| 06:53.17 | DogBoy | yes without the dvdrom drive you get like sda rather than sdb or so |
| 06:53.38 | DogBoy | and your grub is setup for one or the other etc |
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| 06:53.56 | DogBoy | you do get grub menu right? |
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| 06:54.09 | DogBoy | read what it says and select edit command line or whatever it is |
| 06:54.13 | darrh00 | valdyn: that's it, apt-cache showsrc,thanks! |
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| 07:01.48 | _abc_ | Hello. What are tha major stumbling blocks for upgrading Debian? I have an ancient etch installation and I want to install something much newer. What is buggy and about how much (MB) updates are installed after the basic DVD install? |
| 07:03.22 | wols_ | !tell _abc_ about etch->lenny |
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| 07:05.43 | ondrejk | s/43/34/ |
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| 07:15.08 | xim_ | my n900's Xorg is not responding, when i view the process in ps it shows STAT: D "uninterruptible sleep (usually IO)" which sortof makes since since it crashed while downloading data. any idea how to bring this back |
| 07:15.30 | xim_ | ~sense |
| 07:15.31 | apt | Distributed Shared Memory system. URL: http://hjem.get2net.dk/dduck/sense.html |
| 07:15.46 | xim_ | lol oops |
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| 07:16.48 | _abc_ | It seems that all printable characters are mapped to something here ^^ |
| 07:16.59 | xim_ | haha |
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| 07:17.44 | Pierreb | i got a weird problem |
| 07:18.00 | man_in_shack | xim_, what os are you running on it? |
| 07:18.03 | Pierreb | ive set up 2 mail relay servers and i want to test their performance |
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| 07:18.15 | Pierreb | anyone know of a program or some way to send alot of mail to myself? |
| 07:18.33 | xim_ | man_in_shack, maemo |
| 07:18.44 | man_in_shack | xim_, tried asking #maemo? |
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| 07:19.01 | xim_ | yeah they are less linux savvy |
| 07:19.06 | xim_ | it seems |
| 07:19.12 | man_in_shack | but they're more maemo savvy |
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| 07:20.36 | xim_ | maemo is based on debian, and its a general linux issue |
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| 07:20.46 | wols_ | !based on debian |
| 07:20.46 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't know what changes were made by your distribution and it probably falls short of Debian's standards. #debian only supports Debian; you should respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 07:20.48 | wols_ | xim_: go away |
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| 07:21.09 | xim_ | meh |
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| 07:27.30 | freedomofspee | peace to u all |
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| 07:33.23 | K`zan | Hi folks, still trying to resolve my lack of audio in firefox u-tube videos. My /dev/dsp permissions are: |
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| 07:34.10 | K`zan | crw-rw---- 1 root audio and I think they should be crw-rw-rw- 1 root audio but I can't figure out where in /etc/udev/ to fix this? Help please :-)! TMIA! |
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| 07:36.34 | Arrowmaster | K`zan: what sound system are you using? |
| 07:37.19 | unix5_ | my guessing is alsa ^^ |
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| 07:38.45 | wols_ | K`zan: if you run "id" under your user, you will see that your user (hopefully) is part of the audio group |
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| 07:38.59 | Arrowmaster | well crw-rw----+ 1 root audio is correct for /dev/dsp but alsa doesnt even use that |
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| 07:39.18 | wols_ | additionally, start firefox under a xterm and check the xterm output when running a flash video. you should see a message when the plugin can't open /dev/dsp |
| 07:39.31 | factor | Can Xchat save all the channels I am in? |
| 07:39.41 | wols_ | Arrowmaster: we are talking about the shit also called "adobe flash plugin" |
| 07:39.46 | factor | pidgin can but cant find xchat setting for such |
| 07:40.10 | Arrowmaster | wols_: i dont know |
| 07:40.14 | wols_ | K`zan: note, I'm assuming your audio output works fine in other programs |
| 07:40.26 | wols_ | Arrowmaster: we all know that. no need to say it |
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| 07:40.52 | Arrowmaster | does the plugin connect to the sound system differently than the browser does? |
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| 07:42.08 | SandWolf_0x37 | hi |
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| 07:44.17 | wols_ | ,versions xmms |
| 07:44.19 | judd | xmms -- etch: 1:1.2.10+20061101-1etch1 |
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| 07:45.04 | K`zan | Arrowmaster: Still trying to figure this out, /dev/dsp and all the files in /dev/snd are 660 and even changing those to 666 doesn't help. Yes, all audio other than this works flawlessly. |
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| 07:46.01 | Arrowmaster | can you play sound from two different things like a video player and an audio player at once? |
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| 07:49.32 | K`zan | Arrowmaster: Yes, can. |
| 07:49.53 | wols_ | can you play sound from programs that use /dev/dsp? |
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| 07:50.35 | K`zan | Yes, only thing it seems I can not do is get u-tube audio out of firefox unless I run it as root (NOT going to do that). |
| 07:50.48 | K`zan | again :). Just once to prove a point :-). |
| 07:50.51 | Arrowmaster | so are you using alsa? |
| 07:51.07 | K`zan | I think so, not sure how to tell for sure. |
| 07:51.09 | wols_ | K`zan: what did id say? |
| 07:51.27 | K`zan | I am in the audio group(29). |
| 07:51.34 | wols_ | K`zan: ignore that. unless you use the non-free OSS drivers, you can't avoid using alsa |
| 07:51.48 | wols_ | and what did the xterm say? |
| 07:52.00 | K`zan | wols_: About what? |
| 07:52.02 | Arrowmaster | well he could have pulseaudio installed |
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| 07:52.12 | wols_ | about opening /dev/dsp when running ffox as a normal user |
| 07:52.23 | wols_ | Arrowmaster: and? |
| 07:52.42 | wols_ | Arrowmaster: does pulseaudio use a hitherto unknown kernel driver? |
| 07:52.48 | K`zan | wols_: Lemme spawn it from a term. |
| 07:53.10 | Arrowmaster | i have no clue how pulseaudio works, i dont use it |
| 07:53.25 | K`zan | Maybe it is too late and I am too tired, but it is iceweasel rather than firefox. |
| 07:53.31 | wols_ | yes, you demonstrate that time and again. bravo |
| 07:53.47 | wols_ | K`zan: for your purposes, they're one and the same. and we don't run evil unfree firefox in debian :) |
| 07:53.55 | K`zan | :-) |
| 07:54.00 | lk | sdc1 seems to be stuck in /dev/ and refuses to disappear even after I eject and unplug it... if I plug in another device (say, another USB drive), I see buffer I/O errors in dmesg. Any way to sort this out? |
| 07:54.25 | K`zan | Ok, lemme find a utube video an see what spits out in the term, brb |
| 07:54.30 | wols_ | lk: did you not umount sdc1 before unplugging? |
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| 07:55.43 | wols_ | K`zan: you aren't running gnash or swfdec in ffox, right? |
| 07:56.08 | K`zan | Not that I know of, at least I hadn't installed any extensions by those names. |
| 07:56.13 | Arrowmaster | well for me nothing seems to even use /dev/dsp, they all use /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p, and before i got alsa using dmix i was having trouble with that device not being able to be opened by programs |
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| 07:56.23 | Arrowmaster | K`zan: they are installed by default |
| 07:56.31 | Arrowmaster | so you probably are using one of them |
| 07:56.31 | K`zan | Also, MASSIVE number of errors for ALSA in the term window. Oy.... |
| 07:57.00 | Arrowmaster | swfdec is installed by default |
| 07:57.12 | K`zan | Staarts with this: ALSA lib confmisc.c:1286:(snd_func_refer) Unable to find definition 'defaults.pcm.dmix.device' |
| 07:57.13 | K`zan | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:57.52 | lk | wols_, I unmounted it, ejected it, and even tried just unplugging the cable, it all leads to sdc and sdc1 remaining in /dev/ |
| 07:58.29 | K`zan | Just too late for me to deal with this tonight, it is fall over time, long since. Thanks very much for the help, I'll try this when I am rested and capture all the errors and see what that tells me. |
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| 07:58.37 | K`zan | THanks much and good night! |
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| 07:59.25 | Arrowmaster | K`zan: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=34450 seems relevant to your issue |
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| 08:01.37 | K`zan | Arrowmaster: Got it, bookmarked - will check it tomorrow. Thanks! |
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| 08:02.19 | Arrowmaster | i bet he used asoundconf and it messed everything up |
| 08:02.22 | Hatl | hi! i have set up ldap authentication. is it possible to force the same local user account for every ldap user? ie using pam? |
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| 08:07.18 | hf | hello |
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| 08:19.00 | icebrain | hi hf |
| 08:20.10 | cornelinux | Hi, I got a broken package, that leaves some entries in the debconf DB, which are assigned to the package "unknown", which I can display with "debconf-show unknow". Purging the package will not delete these entries. Any idea, how to remove these entries from the debconf DB? |
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| 08:22.19 | hf | does someone has a problem with denyal of service in iceweasel? |
| 08:23.22 | icebrain | hf: has in iceweasel causing a DoS? |
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| 08:24.37 | hf | maybe dont now from technical point of view well |
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| 08:26.32 | hf | you think tha someone cant get pwned easy in dos? |
| 08:27.14 | icebrain | hf: depends on the webserver. If it's a cheap shared host, it may not take much to reach its CPU limit |
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| 08:28.28 | icebrain | anyway, I doubt Iceweasel is doing it, as far as I know it limits itself to 2 parallel connections per server, that shouldn't be enough to DoS any machine |
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| 08:29.40 | hf | so if you increaze the conection lets say to 30 maybe it is a "problem" |
| 08:29.50 | babilen | cornelinux: Something like http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=355952 ? |
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| 08:31.01 | hf | by the way i doupt too tha ice weasel doing it ..i am trying to find the root of the problem |
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| 08:31.12 | ethanol | mornin' all |
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| 08:32.04 | icebrain | hf: it may be possible, but it would have to also be requesting files non-stop for some reason. |
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| 08:32.27 | babilen | ethanol: good morning |
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| 08:33.24 | hf | who knows maybe i found some day ;) ..and this thing caled .jasper?? is a pain in the ass when try to view jpg |
| 08:33.25 | wols_ | hf: maybe you should try to exactly state your problem |
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| 08:34.14 | hf | i think it caled that way i don"t remeber the na e of the package exactly |
| 08:36.19 | wols_ | !gr |
| 08:36.19 | dpkg | Gia voitheia sta ellinika dokimaste to #debian.gr & to #debian-el (irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net). For help in Greek try #debian.gr or #debian-el (irc.oftc.net or irc.freenode.net). |
| 08:36.46 | wols_ | hf: you might get better support in a greek channel |
| 08:37.35 | hf | yapp i found it !! DSA-2036-1 |
| 08:37.44 | cornelinux | babilen: Was not his bug report but it pointed me to the right direction. When building my package in a wrong way, it has no package name and thus the asnwers will be stored with the owner/package "unknown". But these were not removed, when purging the package. Finding config.dat and password.dat i was able to remove them manually! |
| 08:37.45 | Shadur | Question: in /etc/network/interfaces, how do I specify both an inet and an inet6 address for an interface? |
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| 08:38.41 | petern_ | Shadur, man 5 interfaces? |
| 08:38.46 | babilen | cornelinux: Great - good luck with your package. You might also be interested in Debian's mentor program - "/msg dpkg mentors" for details |
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| 08:43.20 | babilen | Shadur: I guess you define two interfaces like "iface eth0 inet6 ..." and "iface eth0 inet ..." - see the manpage for details |
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| 08:51.52 | Shadur | babilen: Thanks. Thought it might be the case, but that particular server only has the one network interface and I'm two hours away from physical access so I'd prefer not to take chances... |
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| 08:59.49 | icebrain | Shadur: http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-ipv6@lists.debian.org/msg03044.html |
| 09:00.01 | lk | wols_, well, this is brilliant. After I brute forced /dev to let me access the drive, selected the file, and was about to drag it to where I needed it on the system, I saw that the file was already here. I had uploaded it to myself as backup for the actual drive. |
| 09:02.17 | babilen | Shadur: I can understand that you don't want to take any chances, but that is the way it is done ... |
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| 09:02.59 | the_gamer | hi folks, i need to install python-texd. is there a package for it? can't find it with dpkg-query |
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| 09:04.53 | Shadur | icebrain: Excellent, thanks. |
| 09:05.01 | babilen | :( |
| 09:05.23 | icebrain | babilen: working proof was needed :) |
| 09:05.43 | babilen | the_gamer: Doesn't look like it - You can install it locally (--user (pep370) comes to mind) |
| 09:06.21 | babilen | the_gamer: That is if you use py2.6 - if not, you can use the home or prefix install scheme |
| 09:06.29 | the_gamer | i already tried to install the versions from http://sourceforge.net/projects/texd and http://texd.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/texd.tar.gz?view=tar&pathrev=136 but both are returning "ImportError: cannot import name secplain" |
| 09:06.40 | the_gamer | i have python 2.4 |
| 09:06.51 | babilen | the_gamer: Another approach and the one *I* would prefer would be to setup a virtual environment with virtualenv and install the package in there |
| 09:08.19 | the_gamer | i doesn't even run. so how would it run virtually? |
| 09:08.20 | babilen | the_gamer: If you go the virtualenv way, you might want to take a look at virtualenvwrapper as well - any particular reason why you are using py2.4? |
| 09:08.55 | babilen | the_gamer: Sounds like you did not configure your PYTHONPATH (i.e. sys.path) correctly |
| 09:09.00 | the_gamer | i need it for my moinmoin-version and i need mathtran to show formulas in moin thats what i need that package for |
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| 09:10.01 | the_gamer | i installed it with python setup.py install. so it has to be in the correct path for python to find it, doesn't it? |
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| 09:11.53 | babilen | the_gamer: probably not - which version of Debian are you using? And we generally discourage setuptools install into the system's PYTHONPATH - use a different installation scheme. Check where it is installed and the value of PYTHONPATH and sys.path |
| 09:12.54 | the_gamer | /etc/issue says Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 \n \l |
| 09:13.00 | babilen | the_gamer: You might also need additional dependencies - check python-texd's documentation |
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| 09:13.47 | babilen | the_gamer: I would strongly encourage you to upgrade to lenny soon as security support for etch has been dropped |
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| 09:16.24 | babilen | the_gamer: Or you want to fix the code of whatever tries to import secplain to "from texd.txt import secplain" - You should contact upstream as this is hardly a Debian issue |
| 09:16.46 | the_gamer | ok, thanks |
| 09:16.50 | SandWolf_0x37 | python 2.5.x is used in Lenny |
| 09:17.06 | the_gamer | just asked for a package... would have been the easiest way |
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| 09:24.10 | the_gamer | is there a package for mathtran? |
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| 09:31.25 | babilen | the_gamer: I could not find one (apt-cache search, p.d.o, aptitude search - /msg dpkg search) - And both projects are essentially unmaintained since 2007 |
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| 09:37.12 | amee2k | wtf |
| 09:37.31 | amee2k | which union file system does not segfault randomly? |
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| 09:40.34 | jelly | heh |
| 09:40.58 | amee2k | May 20 11:35:13 fileserver kernel: [12255.188079] funionfs[5590]: segfault at 0 ip 7fe260c2c030 sp 7fffffffc738 error 4 in libc-2.7.so[7fe260bb1000+14a000] |
| 09:41.01 | amee2k | ... |
| 09:41.42 | jelly | I have yet to see a stable fuse-based filesystem of any kind |
| 09:42.31 | amee2k | hmmm the "perlfs" i once wrote as a learning project worked decently well |
| 09:42.56 | amee2k | it was a simple tmpfs that used perl data structures to manage the content |
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| 09:43.40 | amee2k | even could save and reload persistent state as Storable objects |
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| 09:43.46 | amee2k | it was ass slow though lol |
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| 09:52.50 | icebrain | jelly: fuseiso works fine, afaik |
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| 09:57.58 | wols_ | amee2k: aren't ther union fses in the kernel? of course if THAT segfaults... |
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| 10:00.26 | icebrain | wols_: yes, I believe unionfs is kernel-based |
| 10:03.11 | the-dude | is it possible to enable openoffice quickstart with a command? |
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| 10:07.23 | qwd | Is there any reason to use te package xul-ext-torbutton instead of just installing the addon from Iceweasel? |
| 10:08.04 | qwd | Actually, same question for all the xul-ext packages |
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| 10:08.48 | icebrain | the-dude: the oostart applet for gnome (http://sourceforge.net/projects/ooqstart/) include a little C++ application (one file) to do it, but the project is abandoned since 2002 :| |
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| 10:09.29 | the-dude | icebrain: I saw that one, but I found a other "solution" aswell |
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| 10:14.24 | Sandwolf_0x37 | the best solution is to not have a problem |
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| 10:27.34 | lk | wols_, I fixed it. The solution was so ridiculously simple. |
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| 10:27.58 | lk | And yet I spent the better part of my day looking up different combinations of "how to reload /dev." |
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| 10:42.38 | amee2k | wols_: yeah, gonna try that next |
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| 10:45.57 | amee2k | Gijs: nice hostname btw ;) |
| 10:48.47 | pseubodo1 | I have 5 users on a limited machine that I want to share the same home directory (desktop, etc); is there a particular way to do this, or would judicious use of g+S on the commom homedir & appropriate usermod changes be sufficient? |
| 10:48.52 | jargon- | i've accidentally installed the wrong package. it came with a whole bunch of dependencies. purge only removes the package,not it's dependencies. how do i get the dependencies uninstalled along with it? |
| 10:49.33 | pseubodo1 | jargon-: might apt-get autoremove help? |
| 10:49.42 | jargon- | pseubodo1: maybe 754? for chmod? |
| 10:49.53 | jargon- | pseubodot: ok i'll try that |
| 10:49.55 | pseubodot | hmm |
| 10:50.08 | pseubodot | they hav to change the homedir, so it has to be writable |
| 10:50.32 | pseubodot | mostly stuff on desktop pointing to stuff in ~/bin |
| 10:50.52 | pseubodot | jargon-: yeah, I think that'll be my approach |
| 10:51.20 | pseubodot | we can to krb5 for login, which is cool, so I don't have to worry about that |
| 10:51.34 | pseubodot | s/ can to / can do / |
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| 10:52.20 | jargon- | pseubodot: it doesn't work because i had already purged vim-full. even reinstalling and autoremoving isn't helping |
| 10:52.37 | pseubodot | hmm |
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| 10:53.21 | pseubodot | jargon-: all the solutions I can think about have an element of suck about them |
| 10:53.48 | pseubodot | jargon-: go thru dpkg.log to find the pkg names, and then uninstall |
| 10:53.59 | jargon- | pseubodot: yeah,i'm probably going to have to to that |
| 10:54.17 | jargon- | pseubodot: i have them in pastebin,the lil buggers |
| 10:54.20 | jargon- | thanks |
| 10:55.02 | pseubodot | it would be kinda neat to have an app that would make a diagram of deps coming from a package, whether the package is there or not, and give you the option of removing stuff |
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| 10:55.42 | pseubodot | sorry that I couldn't give you a better option |
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| 10:55.54 | themill | jargon-: aptitude keeps very easy to read logs (unlike the dpkg logs) |
| 10:55.56 | jargon- | pseubodot: that's definitely an itch in need of scratcing |
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| 10:57.20 | jargon- | themill: ahh,thanks |
| 10:57.51 | themill | jargon-: and in most cases, "aptitude remove packagename" will be quite sufficient to remove the package and everything that was installed along with it |
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| 10:59.40 | jargon- | themill: but in my case it's not removing the deps,because the purge already removed just the package. then the reinstall brought back just the package. :-( |
| 11:00.10 | themill | jargon-: lenny? How did you install the package? |
| 11:00.57 | jargon- | themill: lenny. aptitude install vim-full. |
| 11:01.23 | jargon- | it came with audio libs and whatnot. cairo stuff. don't need it on a server |
| 11:02.35 | jargon- | themill: pseubodot: got the tip to try deborphan. going to give that a shot |
| 11:03.12 | pseubodot | jargon-: Ooo. Thanks! |
| 11:03.26 | jargon- | :) |
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| 11:05.38 | themill | jargon-: looks like some circular dependencies keep everything installed there. "aptitude remove vim-common" will do (just about) all of it for you though. |
| 11:09.16 | jargon- | themill: that was the money shot. thanks! |
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| 11:11.00 | the_sniff | omg!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 11:11.02 | the_sniff | finally |
| 11:11.08 | the_sniff | wth is up with the channel limit? |
| 11:11.35 | themill | ouch |
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| 11:12.20 | the_sniff | sup th1_ |
| 11:12.20 | mythomaniac | wow so many users here in here |
| 11:12.21 | the_sniff | themill |
| 11:12.22 | the_sniff | ltns |
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| 11:12.24 | mythomaniac | its nice to see |
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| 11:13.05 | the_sniff | how much importance do u guys give the load avg factor? |
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| 11:14.52 | jargon- | the_sniff: firefox troubles? ;-) |
| 11:14.55 | amee2k | i've installed mlocate. what is the standard way to disable the global database update? |
| 11:15.26 | llanero | amee2k: cron |
| 11:15.28 | amee2k | chmod -x /etc/cron.daily/mlocate ? |
| 11:15.38 | the_sniff | jargon- haha no im on a production server which got 178 load avg |
| 11:15.44 | the_sniff | even maxed to 400 sometimes |
| 11:15.50 | jargon- | yikes |
| 11:15.52 | themill | amee2k: it's pretty useless if you don't update the database periodically |
| 11:15.54 | the_sniff | im trying to put the breaks on apache |
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| 11:16.00 | lk | the_sniff, wth are you doing to that machine? |
| 11:16.00 | the_sniff | but its now very responsive |
| 11:16.08 | lk | That can't be right. |
| 11:16.09 | the_sniff | yet the load is still at 5~ |
| 11:16.12 | lk | Multi-core? |
| 11:16.24 | the_sniff | lk: it wasnt i tweaked the config and now its ~5 but i wanna see if i can do more |
| 11:16.30 | the_sniff | well it is multi core |
| 11:16.36 | the_sniff | its a very big live production server |
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| 11:16.37 | amee2k | themill: i'm writing my own script to periodically update several smaller databases... i'm writing an indexing system for a file server based on locate |
| 11:16.47 | the_sniff | id say a few million unique hits every month |
| 11:16.48 | lk | How, the_sniff? |
| 11:16.59 | the_sniff | how big? or how did i do it? |
| 11:17.01 | pseubodot | 5 D processes? |
| 11:17.09 | abrotman | earlypete! |
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| 11:17.17 | pseubodot | babymakingnoiseearlypte |
| 11:17.21 | lk | *how many cores, the_sniff. |
| 11:17.25 | abrotman | badlittlepete |
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| 11:17.36 | the_sniff | haha server half dead again :| |
| 11:17.37 | pseubodot | abrotman: nah, am in a different bedroom |
| 11:17.38 | lk | Any machine I've come across is practically unusable past 150. |
| 11:17.40 | the_sniff | ill tell you in a sec |
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| 11:17.45 | abrotman | heh |
| 11:17.59 | the_sniff | lk isn't it about memory too? it has 16gb |
| 11:18.18 | the_sniff | omg 171 again :D |
| 11:18.25 | lk | You can have all the memory in the world, but something takes up all your CPU time, you're screwed. |
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| 11:18.34 | abrotman | or vice versa ... |
| 11:18.37 | lk | Yep. |
| 11:18.50 | the_sniff | yeah |
| 11:19.12 | lk | e.g., a very CPU-time heavy web site of mine barely used any RAM, so I gave apache more processes to use more RAM... CPU load shot so high the site it was hosting was useless. |
| 11:19.19 | the_sniff | ok server has 4 xeon 5130 cores |
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| 11:19.36 | abrotman | so? |
| 11:19.44 | the_sniff | he asked |
| 11:19.48 | the_sniff | i answered |
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| 11:20.03 | the_sniff | btw so what ur saying is apache is TOO multitheaded |
| 11:20.04 | the_sniff | ? |
| 11:20.05 | pseubodot | 5130 is the processor number, how many cores do those processors have? |
| 11:20.18 | lk | 2 cores 2 threads per core. |
| 11:20.19 | the_sniff | pseubodot i said 4, dude |
| 11:20.20 | the_sniff | :e |
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| 11:20.29 | the_sniff | 2 with ht :? |
| 11:20.30 | lk | 4 5130 cores? |
| 11:20.34 | lk | OH. |
| 11:20.37 | lk | *Oh. Okay. |
| 11:20.57 | pseubodot | the_sniff: that's from cat /proc/cpuinfo? |
| 11:21.04 | the_sniff | wait let me make sure cause it had 4 cores of core 2 duo last time i checked but i dunno if its still the same hardware |
| 11:21.08 | the_sniff | pseubodot yes |
| 11:21.26 | abrotman | the_sniff: you mean four processors of c2d (5130) ? |
| 11:21.34 | abrotman | each of those having two cores ? so eight cores total? |
| 11:21.47 | lk | Eight threads if it's a dual dual core machine. |
| 11:21.55 | lk | i.e., 2 x xeon 5130. |
| 11:22.00 | the_sniff | abrotman i mean a core 2 quad. im a bit confused right now, sry |
| 11:22.19 | pseubodot | *googles* |
| 11:22.22 | lk | Hyperthreading would diminish whatever load averages you see, not increase, right? |
| 11:22.31 | lk | This is the CPU: http://ark.intel.com/Product.aspx?id=27216 |
| 11:22.33 | pseubodot | 5130 listed as a 2-core proc |
| 11:22.35 | abrotman | the_sniff: cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep processor .. what is the last one ? |
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| 11:22.53 | abrotman | gives himself the UUOC award |
| 11:23.00 | the_sniff | abrotman: 3. but doesnt linux count HT as a seperate core? |
| 11:23.05 | lk | Yeah. |
| 11:23.08 | abrotman | HT is garbage .. turn that off |
| 11:23.11 | lk | So it's ONE xeon 5130 CPU. |
| 11:23.15 | the_sniff | yes |
| 11:23.36 | squisher | Hey folks, is there some way to use nouveau instead of nv without creating an xorg.conf? |
| 11:23.38 | lk | Okay, so it's a dual core cpu. I don't get how it can handle a cpu load of 500. |
| 11:23.39 | the_sniff | i wasnt sure if 5130 is quad or dual |
| 11:23.53 | lk | It's a dual core with hyperthreading, so it'll show as quad. |
| 11:23.59 | the_sniff | lk haha it can't really its about the time its getting unresponsive |
| 11:24.04 | abrotman | lk: measured how? |
| 11:24.08 | pseubodot | abrotman: do you really see a difference if you turn off hyperthreading? |
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| 11:24.37 | lk | abrotman, /proc/cpuinfo counts "processors" it sees. |
| 11:24.41 | abrotman | pseubodot: it's detrimental overall .. they've got lies and statistics somewhere .. |
| 11:24.44 | abrotman | lk: i meant the 500 |
| 11:24.47 | lk | Oh. |
| 11:25.03 | lk | uptime, the_sniff? |
| 11:25.13 | the_sniff | now? 14:25:11 up 111 days, 13:44, 5 users, load average: 49.36, 83.47, 57.43 |
| 11:25.14 | abrotman | pseubodot: why would you make it change 'processors' if it's really the same processor? |
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| 11:25.34 | amee2k | erm |
| 11:25.38 | rsw | hello |
| 11:25.43 | amee2k | could it be that updatedb doesn't follow symlinks?! |
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| 11:26.32 | squisher | and can anyone explain to me why both libpurple and webchat are rejected for #debian? |
| 11:26.38 | rsw | does anybody have an idea why i cant hotplug my network card ? |
| 11:26.56 | wols_ | squisher: rejected? |
| 11:26.56 | lk | the_sniff, what's using up all the CPU time? What sort of server is this? |
| 11:26.59 | amee2k | rsw: network *card* ? what kind of card? |
| 11:27.03 | rsw | it used to work but now it doesnt anymore |
| 11:27.13 | rsw | intel mt 1000 or something |
| 11:27.21 | rsw | dual |
| 11:27.22 | amee2k | erm, what kind of bus then >_> |
| 11:27.24 | amee2k | PCI? |
| 11:27.30 | rsw | but only have 1 uplink |
| 11:27.34 | rsw | yyea |
| 11:27.37 | rsw | pci x |
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| 11:27.45 | amee2k | that won't do hotplug |
| 11:27.52 | squisher | wols_, I tried it a number of times, and always ended up in #debian_overflow |
| 11:27.56 | rsw | it has before .. |
| 11:27.58 | amee2k | and i'm somewhat surprised it ever worked for you |
| 11:28.08 | themill | squisher: there's a problem with one of the bots. nothing to do with your client |
| 11:28.17 | amee2k | the connector isn't hotplug-safe to begin with, let alone the configuration and detection |
| 11:28.22 | squisher | themill, ah, yes, that'd be nice to fix |
| 11:28.25 | squisher | it's quite confusing :) |
| 11:28.58 | themill | squisher: as soon and the bot wrangler appears, it will be. |
| 11:29.04 | the_sniff | lk its an application server (apache/php) with around 10m users a month |
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| 11:29.12 | pseubodot | abrotman: drat those statisticians! :) |
| 11:29.12 | squisher | themill, thanks in advance :) |
| 11:29.17 | rsw | on an ubuntu installation i could hotplug it and ubuntu is based on debian ? |
| 11:29.47 | amee2k | for example half the data and address busses can already have contact but you don't have the power rails or, even worse, ground connection |
| 11:30.12 | rsw | sounds chineze xD |
| 11:30.13 | pseubodot | rsw: do you mean physically plugging in when the system is running? |
| 11:30.15 | abrotman | pseubodot: msg ? |
| 11:30.27 | rsw | no i have 1 cable and 2 ips |
| 11:30.46 | amee2k | if any of the chips on the card have ESD proection diodes in it, it will likely screw up the signalling by trying to pull the rails high or low from the signal lines |
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| 11:31.17 | lk | the_sniff, in that case it's most likely apache threads using up all your CPU time because PHP's taking a lot of render time =) I have a few projects like that right now. Very smartly coded, but when it comes to scaling, not so great. |
| 11:31.28 | amee2k | best case, it would just freeze the box or cause lots of bus errors screwing up the kernel |
| 11:31.29 | pseubodot | rsw: okay, so I think you mean 'hotplug' in the 'allow-hotplug' /etc/network/interfaces way rather than in the hardware way like amee2k is getting at |
| 11:31.37 | rsw | yup |
| 11:31.42 | amee2k | erm |
| 11:31.47 | amee2k | okay |
| 11:31.54 | squisher | rsw, generally speaking only very specific hardware can do hot-plugging |
| 11:32.02 | rsw | gonna paste my interfaces ... |
| 11:32.06 | the_sniff | lk its hosting tons of websites so it practically impossible to spot which is the shitty one. so splitting the load is the only way to stabilize the server without slowing the response time? |
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| 11:32.55 | amee2k | i wouldn't describe hot removing/attaching the network cable as "hotplugging" lol |
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| 11:33.23 | amee2k | its like connecting a serial cable with the devices powered on lol |
| 11:33.39 | lk | the_sniff, that's what I did. I was getting about 100k visitors / day... the server was physically capable of handling more load, but the site itself was not programmed well enough to. |
| 11:33.40 | rsw | then how i have to describe it xD |
| 11:33.42 | rsw | http://pastebin.com/jPNE0SmH |
| 11:33.46 | amee2k | also, you're hotplugging the cable there, not the card >_> |
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| 11:34.17 | icebrain | squisher: not so specific, even internal hard drives can do it now |
| 11:34.33 | amee2k | rsw: theres nothing wrong with it, just caused some confusion on my end the way you put it ;) |
| 11:34.37 | the_sniff | lk that server is already one of two doing the same thing LOL |
| 11:34.52 | rsw | what u mean ? |
| 11:34.56 | lk | Nice. Load balanced? |
| 11:35.06 | the_sniff | lk, no its round-robin'd |
| 11:35.15 | the_sniff | even the round robin isnt all fine tuned imho |
| 11:35.16 | wols_ | rsw: hotplugging means something else in the context you used. you used a wrong word basically |
| 11:35.23 | the_sniff | but i didnt see it im just guessing |
| 11:35.26 | rsw | sorry :p |
| 11:35.39 | amee2k | well, when you said "hotplugging the card" i was thinking you were ripping the circuit board from the PCI backplane |
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| 11:36.01 | rsw | lolz |
| 11:36.02 | amee2k | and that is a very, very big no-no |
| 11:36.03 | lk | Wow, and even then. hahah. Dang. the_sniff, what's your apache configuration like? Specifically the part detailing prefork or worker or whatever mbm you're using. |
| 11:36.15 | the_sniff | ? pastebin |
| 11:36.17 | wols_ | rsw: especialyl since you said something about PCI-X |
| 11:36.23 | the_sniff | how do u call the bot :p |
| 11:36.27 | rsw | u asked what card xD |
| 11:36.44 | wols_ | amee2k: PCI-X can do hotplugging just fine. it's for servers after all |
| 11:36.56 | wols_ | rsw: PCI-X is not PCI-E aka PCI-Express |
| 11:37.04 | rsw | it is pci x |
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| 11:37.22 | amee2k | there are USB network "cards" that are intended for hot plugging. i was wondering if you meant that by "network card" |
| 11:37.30 | abrotman | the_sniff: use paste.debian.net |
| 11:37.46 | amee2k | wols_: hmmm interresting. is hotplug support a requirement for PCIX or an optional feature? |
| 11:37.51 | rsw | usb -__- |
| 11:37.51 | the_sniff | lk http://pastebin.com/V0udsjwe |
| 11:37.56 | the_sniff | abrotman thanks |
| 11:37.57 | linduxed | what is apt-xapian-index, and why does it occasionally lock the computer up with 100% CPU? |
| 11:38.09 | the_sniff | lk, the last one seems kinda stable. but im afraid of making the response time terrible |
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| 11:38.32 | lk | the_sniff, Wait, so is this from three separate servers? Or one server with all these settings? |
| 11:38.34 | linduxed | when it does update-apt-xapian-index more specifically |
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| 11:38.40 | lk | Or two servers o_O |
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| 11:38.45 | the_sniff | lk one server out of two |
| 11:38.51 | rsw | on boot it sais something bout eth1:1 init failed to configure ;s |
| 11:39.08 | the_sniff | lk, there are two application servers 2 dbs this is out of one of the application servers |
| 11:39.10 | lk | the_sniff, ah, I see. So the last one's the active one, right? |
| 11:39.11 | rsw | but cant seem to find the line in log files |
| 11:39.16 | the_sniff | lk yes |
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| 11:40.22 | the_sniff | wow this is unfair lol |
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| 11:40.35 | the_sniff | the seconds one of the two has 14:40:18 up 18 days, 14:02, 2 users, load average: 2.82, 1.92, 3.16 |
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| 11:41.06 | lk | the_sniff, can you pastebin ps aux --sort -rss, too? And this server has 16 GB of RAM, right? (free -m if unsure) |
| 11:41.28 | lk | the_sniff, is your round robin balancing working okay? |
| 11:41.54 | the_sniff | yes apache uses around 50m~ |
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| 11:42.09 | the_sniff | lk, well its not my round robin but i think its part of the problem |
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| 11:42.19 | Dosshell | Hi, I have a .diff.gz file and a orig.tar.gz source file, how can i merge them to one source? |
| 11:42.29 | the_sniff | now the second server is at 14:42:06 up 18 days, 14:04, 2 users, load average: 9.65, 4.83, 4.07 |
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| 11:42.37 | themill | !wayttd Dosshell |
| 11:42.37 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, Dosshell? |
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| 11:42.47 | the_sniff | and the first is 14:42:47 up 111 days, 14:01, 5 users, load average: 70.46, 35.38, 34.63 |
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| 11:42.59 | lk | the_sniff, what're you guys using for load balancing? Apache? |
| 11:43.12 | the_sniff | lk, i must state its kinda the inet rush hours in israel right now |
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| 11:43.25 | the_sniff | lk i have no idea i didn't work with those server for like a year im just jumping back into it |
| 11:43.29 | the_sniff | trying to figure out the mess |
| 11:43.39 | lk | the_sniff, lol, then don't implement anything at this time, but gather as much data as you can =) |
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| 11:44.14 | lk | the_sniff, how much RAM do the app servers have? |
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| 11:44.23 | the_sniff | one has 16GB and one has 8GB |
| 11:44.31 | lk | Okay. |
| 11:44.37 | the_sniff | both dont get maxed out |
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| 11:45.35 | the_sniff | hardly any swapping |
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| 11:45.39 | lk | the_sniff, this is what I'm using for a quad core app server w/ 8 GB RAM: http://lk.pastebin.com/XnjNhkLw |
| 11:46.13 | lk | the_sniff, the same server with double the RAM and slightly higher prefork numbers couldn't handle the load, since the app is CPU-bound while being RAM efficient. |
| 11:46.14 | eide | how can I choose to install a 32-bit version of a library on AMD64? |
| 11:46.44 | lk | the_sniff, not maxing RAM is good... but also bad because that means you're CPU bound. |
| 11:47.16 | the_sniff | lk yeah but since theres no RAM maxing out id say the problem is with the cpu |
| 11:47.29 | the_sniff | lk could it be MaxRequestsPerChild? maybe some memory leaks are causing this? |
| 11:47.38 | lk | the_sniff, yeah. |
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| 11:47.51 | the_sniff | 4000 not too low? |
| 11:48.00 | lk | Nope. |
| 11:48.06 | lk | In your config, your ServerLimit is quite high, whereas your MaxClients doesn't match... I'd keep them the same and limit MaxRequestsPerChild to 2-4k, depending. |
| 11:48.26 | the_sniff | depending on what? |
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| 11:48.43 | lk | On your application environment and how much memory is leaking due to it. |
| 11:48.50 | the_sniff | btw i dont get why there's server limit, is the MaxClients breached sometimes? lol |
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| 11:49.12 | lk | I don't know why the serverlimit is so much higher than the maxclients in your config... weird. |
| 11:50.01 | the_sniff | MaxClients was 300 too |
| 11:50.13 | the_sniff | i just changed MaxClients and didnt do anything with ServerLimit |
| 11:50.19 | lk | Currently it's 170, isn't it? |
| 11:50.31 | lk | Line 30 of your post. |
| 11:50.31 | the_sniff | yeah |
| 11:50.36 | lk | Anyway, the_sniff, btw... when CPU loads on app servers surge way too high, I'd look into the log files to see if there's anyone scraping the sites. |
| 11:50.58 | the_sniff | like bots? |
| 11:51.07 | lk | Sort of. |
| 11:51.12 | lk | People who just grab data off your site. |
| 11:51.17 | the_sniff | omg |
| 11:51.23 | the_sniff | look at demsg |
| 11:51.24 | the_sniff | gmesg |
| 11:51.31 | the_sniff | dmesg**** |
| 11:51.31 | the_sniff | [10546099.482579] php[23161]: segfault at 7f1905a06edb ip 7f1904aea1af sp 423f5c90 error 4 in libgcc_s.so.1[7f1904ada000+16000] |
| 11:51.31 | the_sniff | [10546852.021366] php[29269]: segfault at 7f8b9918bedb ip 7f8b9d1f11af sp 420f8c90 error 4 in libgcc_s.so.1[7f8b9d1e1000+16000] |
| 11:51.31 | the_sniff | [10546952.362172] php[30404]: segfault at 7faad56f9ed0 ip 7faad56f9ed0 sp 41031128 error 4 in librt-2.7.so[7faad8a5a000+8000] |
| 11:51.31 | the_sniff | [10548605.936985] php[17966]: segfault at 7fddf14dbedb ip 7fddf55411af sp 40d8cc90 error 4 in libgcc_s.so.1[7fddf5531000+16000] |
| 11:51.32 | the_sniff | [10548722.941788] php[18815]: segfault at 7f16c220eedb ip 7f16c12f21af sp 426c1c90 error 4 in libgcc_s.so.1[7f16c12e2000+16000] |
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| 11:51.36 | the_sniff | oops sorry for the paste |
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| 11:51.46 | the_sniff | what the hack is this :D |
| 11:51.47 | lk | lol, the_sniff, hardware test time! |
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| 11:51.56 | the_sniff | its full of this crap! |
| 11:52.17 | the_sniff | wouldnt it be somekind of version-mismatch? |
| 11:52.28 | lk | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=520128 |
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| 11:53.23 | lk | I'd check the apache logs and grab the top 20 more recurring IP's. If it's something like 60,000 hits from one IP, I'd say block it. |
| 11:53.56 | lk | ... even if it turns out to be your client's boss who's been refreshing the page ten times a second since he can't wait for updates. |
| 11:54.03 | the_sniff | lol |
| 11:54.10 | the_sniff | i work with the boss |
| 11:54.21 | the_sniff | and he's kind of a friend so i wouldnt mind blocking him as a practicle joke |
| 11:54.28 | the_sniff | problem is id block his entire office :p |
| 11:55.20 | lk | lol... btw, maybe look into simon's post on that bug tracker link: 'Commenting out "mysqli" and "mysql" extensions from the...' http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=520128 |
| 11:55.37 | lk | I've gotta get some sleep, ttyl the_sniff. |
| 11:56.22 | rsw | Don't seem to have all the variables for eth1:1/inet |
| 11:56.26 | rsw | :'( |
| 11:56.34 | lk | the_sniff, oh yeah, that guy has similar server specs to you. I haven't really read much detail, but I'll jump to the conclusion that lenny + php5 + hyperthreading => bad recipe =P |
| 11:56.46 | Bennit | Hi |
| 11:56.46 | lk | Okay, now I'm really gone. |
| 11:57.03 | the_sniff | mysql is a must :p |
| 11:57.06 | Bennit | anyone got a vpn working that allows for windows pc's to connect to a debian vpn? |
| 11:57.07 | icebrain | hi, Bennit |
| 11:57.14 | the_sniff | lk, have a pleasant sleep, thank you :) |
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| 11:59.10 | Bennit | following this guide: http://freedomyug.wordpress.com/2009/02/18/howto-setup-vpn-server-on-debian-50-lenny/ didn't work |
| 11:59.23 | Bennit | can't even connect from a linux |
| 11:59.33 | rsw | lol solved xD |
| 11:59.44 | rsw | forgot a d in address |
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| 11:59.55 | rsw | <3 my spelling |
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| 12:02.17 | simonrvn | mysql is eew |
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| 12:02.40 | Bennit | so noone with vpn experience? :p |
| 12:03.11 | simonrvn | me? no. others yes. please wait. your call is important to us. |
| 12:03.29 | the_sniff | simonrvn why is mysql eew? |
| 12:04.17 | ethanol | it's not, ignore him |
| 12:04.23 | simonrvn | have you used it? it's like the mssql of linux |
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| 12:04.31 | the_sniff | yes i did |
| 12:04.55 | the_sniff | what is ur pref? |
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| 12:08.01 | abrotman | Bennit: you don't get any errors? |
| 12:08.51 | jargon- | anybody know if there's a python2.6 backport for lenny? |
| 12:09.22 | abrotman | jargon-: nothing official |
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| 12:09.47 | jargon- | abrotman: hmm. i feared as much |
| 12:10.24 | the_sniff | what is kjika'qawej? |
| 12:10.38 | abrotman | what is a the_sniff |
| 12:10.43 | abrotman | jargon-: why would you want one? |
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| 12:11.39 | the_sniff | abrotman its simonrvn's last name i think |
| 12:11.39 | the_sniff | just wondering whats the meaning of it |
| 12:11.39 | abrotman | simonrvn's last name is 'the_sniff' ? |
| 12:11.43 | the_sniff | kjika'qawej |
| 12:12.07 | abrotman | or you could just concentrate on your problems |
| 12:12.19 | jargon- | abrotman: i'm trying to install shinken and it needs >=2.6 https://www.shinken-monitoring.org/wiki/index.php?title=Shinken_installation |
| 12:12.22 | the_sniff | i cant i have issues |
| 12:12.22 | the_sniff | : |
| 12:12.23 | the_sniff | :| |
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| 12:12.44 | jargon- | almost missed lunchtime. later,guys |
| 12:12.56 | abrotman | jargon-: well, you can compile it yourself, i just wouldn't symlink 'python' to it |
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| 12:13.15 | jargon- | abrotman: ok i'll try that |
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| 12:14.30 | abrotman | jargon-: and you'll have to make sure your app is pointing to the right place |
| 12:14.33 | Bennit | nope abrotman no errors, just says it can't connect (I've restarted the pptpd proccess |
| 12:14.39 | Bennit | trying openvpn now |
| 12:14.51 | babilen | jargon-: compile it yourself and install it to /usr/local (/msg dpkg usrlocal and /msg dpkg stow) and you probably want to remove /usr/local/bin/python and use python2.6 to start a py2.6 interpreter |
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| 12:15.46 | voed | Hello, I need a bit of help regarding the packages or group of packages that are required to be installed and configured properly to let Debian boot in a GUI mode ? |
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| 12:16.18 | abrotman | Bennit: sohuld be a way to make logging more verbose |
| 12:16.27 | abrotman | voed: which DM do you want? |
| 12:16.29 | abrotman | and which DE? |
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| 12:17.44 | voed | abrotman: DM ? if ($de == "Desktop Environment) return $output = "KDE"; |
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| 12:18.32 | abrotman | voed: aptitude install kde kdm xorgh |
| 12:18.33 | abrotman | voed: aptitude install kde kdm xorg |
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| 12:18.44 | voed | abrotman: thanks. :) |
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| 12:29.06 | MrWax | how do i update the servers debian downloads apt-get packages from? |
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| 12:29.18 | MrWax | It's now pointing at the network of my dedicated server hosting company |
| 12:29.28 | MrWax | which ip looks down |
| 12:29.47 | babilen | !tell MrWax about sources.list |
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| 12:32.39 | jelly | voed: hm, does assignment return lvalue in Perl? |
| 12:33.25 | MrWax | where can i find debian mirrors? |
| 12:33.31 | MrWax | to fill after deb and deb-src |
| 12:33.36 | MrWax | the ftp:// part |
| 12:33.44 | jelly | !mirrors |
| 12:33.45 | dpkg | i guess debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> or <netselect-apt> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ or http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/, see also <debmirror>, <apt-mirror>, <mirror size>. |
| 12:33.47 | aburch | MrWax: http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ |
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| 12:34.38 | jelly | MrWax: you might blindly try ftp://ftp.CC.debian.org/debian, where CC is your country code (us, de, es...) |
| 12:34.52 | MrWax | deb and deb-src can be the same ftp:// link ? |
| 12:35.00 | jelly | MrWax: eys |
| 12:35.09 | aburch | jelly: Sure: perl -e '($a = 'x') =~ s/x/y/; print $a;'. But if (foo) bar; still would not work ;) |
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| 12:35.48 | jelly | aburch: I worked hard not to comment on the unended quote issues! |
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| 12:37.32 | jelly | also I learnt only to use double quotes in my oneliners, because perl -e '($a = '\''x'\'') =~ s/x/y/; print $a' is unsightly |
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| 12:38.05 | aburch | jelly: It still works with onle single quotes ;) |
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| 12:40.06 | MrWax | actually, i see an ip in india in iftop that is connected to ssh |
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| 12:40.12 | MrWax | that should not be there |
| 12:40.17 | MrWax | (i see its not logged in with who) |
| 12:40.25 | MrWax | i guess this is just brute forcer? |
| 12:40.29 | MrWax | although i installed fail2bain |
| 12:40.34 | MrWax | fail2ban |
| 12:41.19 | jelly | aburch: meh, unquoted literals are distasteful :-) |
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| 12:42.30 | k1ng\ | how good is AMD Sempron64 3000+ for a cheap server? $50 |
| 12:42.31 | jelly | MrWax: iftop doesn't show connections. It shows network traffic, which doesn't mean your kernel's tcp stack cared about that traffic |
| 12:43.06 | jelly | MrWax: same goes for tcpdump or other sniffers |
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| 12:48.44 | dboehmer | hello everyone |
| 12:48.56 | dboehmer | i am using LXDE in debian unstable |
| 12:49.19 | dboehmer | when changing settings in openbox config manager it fails saving them |
| 12:49.37 | MrWax | jelly: so how come i have the rights to intercept traffic on network? |
| 12:49.45 | MrWax | while i am just an entity on it with 1 ip address |
| 12:49.58 | dboehmer | instead error msg "An error occured while saving the config file '/openbox/lxde-rc.xml'" is displayed |
| 12:50.49 | dboehmer | what to do in order to allow LXDE personal settings? |
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| 12:53.09 | jelly | MrWax: you're root, therefore can run a sniffer which goes around the ip stack; you still only look at that portion of traffic coming to your interface, but are looking at it before any netfilter (iptables) rules get applied |
| 12:53.25 | MrWax | jelly: ok thanks |
| 12:53.26 | Wyzard | dboehmer: I don't have any experience with LXDE or openbox, but http://geekconnection.org/remastersys/forums/index.php?topic=495.0 looks relevant |
| 12:54.19 | dboehmer | Wyzard, thank you. i am reading it |
| 12:55.11 | Wyzard | MrWax: If your network interface is connected to a switch, you only receive traffic that's actually directed to your MAC address, but if your network uses a hub, you actually receive (and can therefore sniff) all traffic |
| 12:56.00 | jelly | does anyone have a tool to determine an optimal split a directory tree to run a couple of rsync jobs in parallel, speeding up the transfer (and lowering memory usage)?? |
| 12:56.11 | mentor | http://wiki.wireshark.org/CaptureSetup/Ethernet |
| 12:56.58 | MrWax | Wyzard: how do i check if my network uses a switch or a hub/ |
| 12:57.34 | jelly | MrWax: look at the equipment model and brand? |
| 12:57.36 | Wyzard | jelly: I'd expect the bottleneck for rsync to be the network in most cases, so running multiple rsync jobs in parallel won't make it go any faster (each one would just go proportionally slower) |
| 12:57.44 | mentor | MrWax: Check the hub or switch |
| 12:57.47 | jelly | Wyzard: you'd be wrong |
| 12:57.48 | ssm | MrWax: run "sudo mii-tool", if it says "FD", you're on a switch, if it says "HD", you're on a hub, or misconfigured |
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| 12:58.22 | mentor | jelly: Hmmm, would running multiple processes really decrease memory? |
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| 12:59.10 | jelly | mentor: yes, because I'd split a tree to say pieces of 1/10 and run 4 in parallel |
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| 12:59.34 | mentor | jelly: I would have thought that would have increased memory usage |
| 12:59.43 | Wyzard | jelly: I'd also expect multiple parallel rsyncs to be slower in the initial phase where it does all the checksums, because simultaneous I/O to different parts of the disk cause lots of seeking around |
| 13:00.02 | mentor | Ooh, goo dpoint |
| 13:00.05 | jelly | Wyzard: it doesn't do checksums if size+timestamps match |
| 13:00.19 | ssm | Wyzard: start the parallel rsyncs sequentially, so the checksumming is sequential, but the data transfer parallel |
| 13:00.19 | Wyzard | still has to stat all the files |
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| 13:00.41 | jelly | Wyzard: yes, and that's exactly the part that can be sped up using multiple rsyncs |
| 13:01.07 | jelly | Wyzard: data transfer too, but less so |
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| 13:02.09 | MrWax | ssm: sec |
| 13:02.20 | jelly | Wyzard: if I knew how to tell it "don't do stat(), just transfer all the nonexisting files", I'd do that |
| 13:02.45 | MrWax | ssm: eth0: negotiated 100baseTx-FD, link ok |
| 13:02.54 | mentor | I'm fairly sure that's an option |
| 13:03.08 | ssm | MrWax: You're on a 100 Megabit switch :) |
| 13:03.16 | MrWax | cool :) |
| 13:03.18 | Wyzard | MrWax: FD means full-duplex, which is not possible on a hub, so you're on a switch |
| 13:03.25 | mentor | --ignore-exiting |
| 13:03.29 | mentor | --ignore-existing |
| 13:03.29 | MrWax | Wyzard: ssm: can I listen to a lot traffic? |
| 13:03.31 | MrWax | on the network? |
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| 13:03.40 | MrWax | computers that communicate with each other? |
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| 13:03.56 | ssm | MrWax: yes, if you trick the switch in to sending you all packets for all hosts |
| 13:04.07 | jelly | also, if I had a file-based mirror/union/raidfs that synchronized the same tree to two places, I'd use that |
| 13:04.08 | Wyzard | MrWax: You can only listen to traffic that's addressed to MAC addresses that the switch thinks are connected to your port |
| 13:04.08 | MrWax | ssm: is this possible? im at office now |
| 13:04.15 | Wyzard | MrWax: which ordinarily is just your own computer |
| 13:04.25 | abrotman | port mirroring ? |
| 13:04.34 | mentor | jelly: --ignore-existing |
| 13:04.59 | Wyzard | MrWax: It's possible to trick it into thinking that *all* MACs on the network are connected to your port, so you receive everyone's traffic, but that can cause DoS to other hosts if done improperly, and is probably illegal if it's not your network |
| 13:05.04 | ssm | MrWax: it is possible, but if you're at work, it may be grounds for termination, as employers tend to frown at such things. (That is, unless you work with security) |
| 13:05.15 | ssm | tread with caution |
| 13:05.22 | MrWax | ssm: ok, i won't then |
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| 13:05.36 | ssm | goodie :) |
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| 13:06.10 | mentor | jelly: Unless you meant not stat'ing the directories |
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| 13:08.16 | jelly | mentor: it still stats files that exist even with --ignore-existing |
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| 13:10.31 | jelly | it's possible that one of the other options makes it do that, though. rsync -PaH --delete --ignore-existing -x --password-file=/etc/rsync-client.secret --exclude lost+found /news1/articles/ rsync://news@mjesec.iskon.hr/news1/articles/ |
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| 13:11.44 | soreta | !list |
| 13:11.44 | dpkg | soreta: VATTENE VIA |
| 13:12.00 | soreta | ma che voi coglione |
| 13:12.07 | soreta | !list |
| 13:12.07 | dpkg | soreta: VATTENE VIA |
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| 13:12.51 | leafwiz | Hey. I have a dual-screen setup. I used to type: xrandr --output LVDS --mode 1024x768 --pos 0x0 --output VGA-0 --mode 1366x768 --pos 1024x0 |
| 13:13.12 | leafwiz | But do I need to go into xorg.conf and define a new mode? |
| 13:13.41 | leafwiz | I get an error that xrandr can't find mode 1366x768 |
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| 13:14.06 | jelly | leafwiz: care to pastebin the output of "xrandr"? |
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| 13:14.31 | jelly | also, your /var/log/Xorg.0.log and /etc/X11/xorg.conf just in case |
| 13:14.44 | napster | Can anyone point me a offline guide for packing debian source packages? |
| 13:15.10 | Wyzard | Assuming that the second monitor is an LCD, xorg should be able to detect its native resolution automatically |
| 13:16.49 | aburch | napster: The maint-guide and developers-reference packages contain some information. |
| 13:17.21 | jelly | s/is an LCD/has working DDC/ |
| 13:17.23 | napster | aburch, Do a googling will get these? |
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| 13:18.46 | Wyzard | jelly: and provides a "preferred resolution" in its EDID data, which should be true for all LCDs, but I'm not so sure about CRTs |
| 13:18.46 | leafwiz | jelly, http://pastebin.com/5EQL5XqK |
| 13:18.48 | jelly | Wyzard: monitor detecting capabilities also depend on the driver used and its version |
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| 13:19.14 | mancubus | Hi ppl! |
| 13:19.19 | napster | aburch, okey, but these are online guids :( Can you get me some downloadable stuff? |
| 13:19.26 | jelly | leafwiz: I meant literal "xrandr" command, no arguments |
| 13:19.30 | wols_ | Wyzard: mainly depends how old the CRT is. |
| 13:19.39 | aburch | napster: They are available as Debian packages as well. |
| 13:19.48 | wols_ | napster: wget makes them downloadable too |
| 13:19.52 | jelly | leafwiz: also, that's not the whole log |
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| 13:20.02 | mancubus | Ppl, I can't find mbrowse packager in squeeze. Is it moved somewhere? |
| 13:20.08 | wols_ | !tell napster about nmg |
| 13:20.18 | mancubus | *package |
| 13:20.19 | wols_ | ,versions mbrowse |
| 13:20.21 | judd | mbrowse -- etch: 0.3.1-6; lenny: 0.3.1-6+b3 |
| 13:20.40 | mancubus | not exist in squeeze??? |
| 13:21.31 | Wyzard | wols_: Old CRTs don't provide any EDID at all, and newer ones can provide things like their supported sync frequencies, but CRTs aren't fixed-resolution so I wouldn't expect even new ones to indicate a specific preferred video mode |
| 13:21.44 | aburch | mancubus: Yes, software gets removed from Debian sometimes. See http://bugs.debian.org/525297 for this one. |
| 13:21.51 | Wyzard | wols_: I haven't checked, though; the last CRT I owned was old enough that it didn't even provide sync frequencies |
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| 13:22.02 | wols_ | mancubus: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=525297 |
| 13:22.11 | wols_ | aburch: doh! |
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| 13:23.06 | mancubus | wols_, TKS! |
| 13:23.14 | mentor | jelly: Possibly a bug then |
| 13:23.25 | wols_ | Wyzard: II) NVIDIA(0): Validated modes: |
| 13:23.26 | wols_ | (II) NVIDIA(0): "1152x864" |
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| 13:23.36 | wols_ | so it has a way to do it |
| 13:24.33 | Wyzard | wols_: That might just be picking the largest predefined mode that falls within the monitor's frequency range |
| 13:24.43 | Wyzard | wols_: It'd be worth checking the actual data from the monitor, with read-edid or whatever it's called |
| 13:24.51 | napster | aburch, wols_ I've downloaded the package maint-guide. I think its pretty enough. Am I right? |
| 13:25.11 | jelly | mentor: I wouldn't call it a bug; yes, it could be optimized to be stat()less in this case, possibly, but it still does what it says on the box |
| 13:25.16 | leafwiz | jelly, I don't understand. The command is what I used to run to get the dual-screen up and running. I have it in my .xinitrc. This is my whole xorg.log http://pastebin.com/MWhQJyXg , pastbinit, ftw! :) |
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| 13:25.36 | kronic | anyone managed to use the samba 4 packages in sid? |
| 13:26.12 | jelly | leafwiz: I wanted you to run "xrandr" without any arguments and report the output of _that_ |
| 13:26.22 | wols_ | Wyzard: no. highes mode is 1600x1200 (on a 17" CRT....) |
| 13:27.00 | wols_ | leafwiz: jelly told you to run "xrandr" exactly like its typed here and pastebin the output. |
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| 13:27.11 | wols_ | leafwiz: not how you want to run xrandr, but only how jelly told you to |
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| 13:27.43 | leafwiz | jelly, ah.. sorry... 2 sec. http://pastebin.com/pNSiAZVw |
| 13:27.56 | jelly | leafwiz: eh, seems the driver thinks VGA-0 is disconnected at start (monitor off?) |
| 13:28.30 | jelly | leafwiz: lines 416, 417, 548 |
| 13:29.00 | jelly | leafwiz: perhaps you could ask for further instructions in #debian-x (irc.oftc.net) |
| 13:29.44 | jelly | sometimes using xserver-xorg-driver-radeon from experimental helps; but sometimes it makes things worse |
| 13:30.03 | jelly | ,versions xserver-xorg-video-radeon |
| 13:30.04 | judd | xserver-xorg-video-radeon -- lenny: 1:6.9.0-1+lenny4; squeeze: 1:6.12.6-1; sid: 1:6.13.0-2 |
| 13:30.28 | leafwiz | jelly, okay. It seems to me that the monitor isn't recognized properly ? |
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| 13:31.49 | jelly | leafwiz: yes. Is it possible for you to try the nonfree driver, if it still supports you hardware |
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| 13:36.02 | leafwiz | jelly, oki. thanks for looking. |
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| 13:36.13 | DexterF | hi |
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| 13:36.36 | leafwiz | I'll try the fglrx-driver |
| 13:37.05 | jelly | leafwiz: hm, wait a sec |
| 13:37.12 | AlexC_ | when limiting CPU time via pam_limits in /etc/security/limits.conf - if I limit CPU time to 1 minute for a user which a PHP FCGI process is running, what happens? Is that single processed killed? |
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| 13:37.42 | jelly | leafwiz: I missed the line 1000-1012, where the extra modes for VGA-0 connection are listed |
| 13:37.58 | leafwiz | aha.. |
| 13:39.24 | DexterF | I recently compiled a modified src deb but forgot to up the version number. now on each update aptitude wants to upgrade it with the "regular" deb and "hold" deosn't work for reasons beyond me. now -- I'd like to change the version number in changelog and simply repackage it instead of compiling it all again, how can I do that? |
| 13:39.59 | jelly | leafwiz: you'll just have to manually set the Virtual size. Use something like X -configure to get a template xorg.conf, then put it in the right place, add something like "Virtual 4096 4096" in SubSection "Display" |
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| 13:40.40 | jelly | dpkg, tell leafwiz about xorg config squeeze |
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| 13:42.28 | leafwiz | jelly, Cool. Yes, I'll just configure xorg.conf then. I didn't know if there might be a fancy new way of doing it.. :) (with all the automation of finding stuff, in the latest distros) |
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| 13:43.49 | jelly | leafwiz: xorg seems to set max virtual screen size based on outputs that are initially detected; this is fixed in video-intel (it gives me 8192x8192 virtual no matter the monitor connected), but your video-radeon seems to be lagging behind |
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| 13:44.26 | jelly | this is the "maximum" size in xrandr output, Screen 0: minimum 320 x 200, current 1680 x 1050, maximum 8192 x 8192 |
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| 13:46.47 | jelly | and of course, Debian doesn't believe in providing useful defaults to override stubborn drivers |
| 13:47.13 | k1ngdom | <3 k1ngdom.net |
| 13:47.32 | AlexC_ | what does 'Maximum Data Size' mean in pam_limits? Data size of what? |
| 13:47.47 | leafwiz | jelly, right.. Yes, I remember now that there was a thing about virtual screen size. This time it goes into my wiki.. :) |
| 13:48.02 | qwd | Is there any reason to use the packages xul-ext-*** packages instead of just installing the addons from Iceweasel? |
| 13:48.39 | abrotman | qwd: system-wide package management ? |
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| 13:48.49 | jelly | AlexC_: "man 2 getrlimit" is somewhat more extensive |
| 13:49.13 | jelly | AlexC_: under RLIMIT_DATA |
| 13:49.52 | jelly | leafwiz: it will probably be fixed in a year or so ;-) |
| 13:49.59 | AlexC_ | jelly: no man entry for this |
| 13:50.33 | jelly | AlexC_: my apologies, you'll need manpages-dev package |
| 13:50.35 | qwd | abrotman: wouldn't you want those addons to be updated more often though? I'm guessing it might be good for addons that become incompatible with the old version of the browser in stable though. |
| 13:50.50 | leafwiz | jelly, good. Keep up the good work! :) |
| 13:51.03 | jelly | AlexC_: RLIMIT_DATA -- The maximum size of the process's data segment (initialized data, uninitialized data, and heap). This limit affects calls to brk(2) and sbrk(2), which fail with the error ENOMEM upon encountering the soft limit of this resource. |
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| 13:51.22 | jelly | AlexC_: that's all there is ;-) |
| 13:51.35 | AlexC_ | jelly: ok, that made as much sense as a chocolate teapot to me |
| 13:51.36 | jelly | hope you're edified |
| 13:52.55 | jelly | AlexC_: it's about how processes get their memory allocated under Linux |
| 13:53.31 | AlexC_ | jelly: ok, and what sort of limit would you put on this? |
| 13:53.37 | jelly | AlexC_: if you don't know better, don't touch defaults |
| 13:54.03 | abrotman | qwd: well, i have no idea which ones you're referring to |
| 13:54.09 | AlexC_ | jelly: what are the defaults, out of interest? |
| 13:54.32 | jelly | AlexC_: "ulimit -a" will show all of them |
| 13:55.11 | qwd | abrotman: for example noscript and torbutton |
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| 13:56.37 | AlexC_ | jelly: excellent thanks. One more question if I can: Our webserver uses Apache2+Suexec+FCGI to run PHP processes, so if I was to limit CPU time to 1 minute for a user that is running an FCGI process - do you know what will happen? |
| 13:56.43 | AlexC_ | process dies and Apache spawns a new one? |
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| 13:57.30 | abrotman | qwd: well, tor changes all the time .. that's up to you .. noscript does too .. ultimately up to you |
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| 13:58.36 | jelly | AlexC_: I've no idea what that limit does |
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| 13:59.12 | qwd | abrotman: yeah that's what I was thinking. but it seems to me it would be better to go with the latetst and if it ever becomes incompatible with what's in stable it's good that it's in the repository as well. thanks :) |
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| 14:00.12 | jelly | AlexC_: also, I've no idea how/whether your suexec/fcgi setup actually uses those pam_limits configuration items |
| 14:01.07 | abrotman | qwd: you may also want to check backports.org to see if they track those |
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| 14:04.09 | qwd | abrotman: doesn't seem like they do right now, but maybe for squeeze. thanks for the tip. |
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| 14:05.08 | spo0nman | Hi, I'm running lenny with linux-image-2.6-amd64 . The machine hangs with these messages in syslog http://pastebin.com/k8Lm1GUi |
| 14:05.11 | spo0nman | any ideas? |
| 14:05.47 | GNU\colossus | install more memory, or fix apache's leaking of it |
| 14:06.10 | jelly | spo0nman: sounds like an out-of-memory issue, does your machine have swap enabled? |
| 14:06.20 | spo0nman | jelly: swap is disabled |
| 14:06.25 | jelly | spo0nman: why? |
| 14:06.42 | spo0nman | jelly: with swap enabled the same thing happens and disk I/o goes through the roof |
| 14:07.00 | spo0nman | jelly: durning normal operations 50% or more memory is free |
| 14:07.15 | spo0nman | e.g Mem: 4062580 1330772 2731808 0 46440 880572 |
| 14:07.17 | jelly | spo0nman: well then, monitor memory usage and find out the culprit |
| 14:07.33 | jelly | atop may be your friend |
| 14:07.37 | spo0nman | jelly: do you have any suggestions on how to monitor finely? |
| 14:07.38 | dev2 | I just did this: apt-get -b source vim, what now? |
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| 14:10.46 | spo0nman | jelly: is there a tool using which I can write a nagios plugin to report it every minute? |
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| 14:14.29 | jelly | spo0nman: probably. Have you already checked out atop and found it unsatisfactory? |
| 14:14.55 | spo0nman | jelly: i looked at it ... but i won't be staring at the screen when it happens. |
| 14:15.04 | spo0nman | jelly: something like sar |
| 14:15.20 | spo0nman | sar like tool would be ideal |
| 14:15.30 | jelly | spo0nman: when you looked at it, did you also see it had logging capabilities and ability to replay logs? |
| 14:15.54 | spo0nman | jelly: :O missed that. lemme read docs |
| 14:16.10 | spo0nman | thanks |
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| 14:16.26 | jelly | and indeed, a tool named "atopsar" in the package |
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| 14:17.21 | leafwiz | jelly, hey. I tried running X -configure :1, but my X-server crashed on me with this: http://pastebin.com/5kXUEmZY |
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| 14:17.53 | jelly | leafwiz: try running it outside of X |
| 14:18.02 | jelly | or while no X is running |
| 14:18.51 | jelly | leafwiz: also, "(--) vmware: X configured to use vmwgfx X driver assume who ever did that knows what they are doing" ? |
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| 14:19.36 | leafwiz | jelly, I tried when the server was down with the same result |
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| 14:20.01 | jelly | leafwiz: I'm guessing wildly here: it's possible -configure tries to use each installed driver in sequence, and that one driver just barfs. uninstall it |
| 14:20.17 | leafwiz | yeah |
| 14:20.40 | leafwiz | Can I copy paste a very small and generic xorg.conf from the net? |
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| 14:21.00 | leafwiz | or is the file so spesific that I need something to generate it |
| 14:21.11 | mamalujo | um, I'm having some samba issues on lenny. worked at a point, I cannot recall messing with its configurations after it, but cannot be sure I didn't either. In any case, I'd rather just start over than bother you guys much, so, anyone have a link that I could follow step-by-step, and what apart from 'remove --purge' need I delete to start over? |
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| 14:22.13 | jordanm | !confmiss |
| 14:22.14 | dpkg | The reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>; |
| 14:23.26 | jelly | leafwiz: #debian-x says "<jcristau> known bug", so... aptitude remove xserver-xorg-video-vmware xserver-xorg-video-radeon+ |
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| 14:24.39 | leafwiz | jelly, okay. It also worked with me moving the wmv* out of the driver dir.. :P |
| 14:24.51 | jelly | whatever works ;-) |
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| 14:27.13 | groton | i get a mail about a failed job in cron, but i cannot find the related cronfile, the job is (the command fails): <nobody@server> [ -x /usr/share/sa-exim/greylistclean ] && /usr/share/sa-exim/greylistclean (failed) |
| 14:27.29 | groton | Anyone does know how to remove the execution of that command? |
| 14:27.33 | smellynoser | I've setup networking in /etc/network/interfaces but if I leave the server for a while, when I try to connect to the internet or local network, it will fail |
| 14:27.42 | smellynoser | if I ping a server it says Packet filtered, and when I restart networking it works again |
| 14:27.52 | smellynoser | Is there anything I should disable to make it stop messing up the networking? |
| 14:28.01 | smellynoser | As that could be fairly fatal in a semi-live environment |
| 14:28.32 | fnmueller_remote | r |
| 14:29.12 | jordanm | smellynoser: are you running something like avahi or network-manager? |
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| 14:29.57 | smellynoser | jordanm: blank install of lenny so I don't think so |
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| 14:30.17 | jordanm | smellynoser: perhaps you should check instead of assuming? |
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| 14:30.50 | smellynoser | jordanm: As interesting as your reply is, perhaps you should realise I would check regardless |
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| 14:33.38 | simonrvn | like we would know that |
| 14:34.06 | simonrvn | or even know it to be true |
| 14:35.47 | jordanm | simonrvn: if we can assume that, we can also assume he can figure out his own problem |
| 14:36.06 | simonrvn | jordanm: ;) |
| 14:37.07 | smellynoser | jordanm: You would be correct to assume that, it will just take longer. I was under the false impression that people are helpful rather than just retorting with half-assed 'insults'/replies |
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| 14:37.30 | smellynoser | But thanks for your help, aye |
| 14:38.48 | steve_ | hi there, does squeeze need to compile ac97 driver manually? my sound card doesn't work well under default installation. |
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| 14:39.42 | simonrvn | could be version issue.. |
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| 14:39.46 | ZenWalker | hi |
| 14:39.55 | ZenWalker | when kernel 2.6.33 on squeeze? |
| 14:40.09 | simonrvn | !kp |
| 14:40.09 | dpkg | [kernel-package] To compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "aptitude install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz. You should also ask me about <make-kpkg>, <kp mantra> and <kernel build-deps>. |
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| 14:40.23 | jordanm | last I heard its being held up by the python transition |
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| 14:41.11 | steve_ | simonrvn: did you say to me? |
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| 14:41.40 | simonrvn | steve_: "could be version issue.." ? yes |
| 14:41.54 | steve_ | simonrvn: you mean kernel version issue? |
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| 14:42.27 | jordanm | smellynoser: my initial reply was not with the intention of insulting you. if you take offense so easily, then I won't be much help anyways |
| 14:42.35 | simonrvn | driver steve_ |
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| 14:47.24 | abrotman | ZenWalker: it won't |
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| 14:47.34 | man_in_ltop | grrr |
| 14:47.36 | abrotman | or that was the going rumor a fwe months ago |
| 14:47.38 | man_in_ltop | have an annoying issue with cups |
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| 14:48.33 | man_in_ltop | keep getting printer status: Processing - "/usr/lib/cups/filter/pdftoraster failed" |
| 14:48.46 | groton | where can i find on a debian system the "the greylistclean cron job"? |
| 14:48.55 | man_in_ltop | only hints i can find is that this happens on ubuntu and has something to do with the ghostscript package |
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| 14:51.21 | FDfh | Hi, recently I've had a problem with my keyboard in Lenny; I have to hold keys down for several seconds before they type a letter. Does anyone know why this might be? I haven't installed any new packages recently |
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| 14:52.45 | leafwiz | jelly, hey. Now the generated xorg.conf file locks up my system so I can't access console.. :P http://pastebin.com/Rt1TTfvz |
| 14:54.03 | leafwiz | AddScreen/ScreenInit failed for driver 0, but I can't see a driver 0 in the xorg.conf. As it is now, it's supposed to use driver "radeon" ? |
| 14:54.15 | leafwiz | or is radeon driver 0 |
| 14:54.47 | jordanm | radeon |
| 14:55.15 | karlpinc | FDfh: Is this only in X, or does it happen at the console too? |
| 14:55.18 | abrotman | FDfh: console and X ? cable loose? |
| 14:55.49 | FDfh | abrotman: laptop, so no loose cable; karlpinc / abrotman, haven't had a chance to try in console yet |
| 14:55.53 | abrotman | FDfh: wait, gnome? |
| 14:55.58 | abrotman | erm .. are youusing gnome? |
| 14:55.58 | FDfh | works fine in windows |
| 14:56.03 | FDfh | yes, gnome |
| 14:56.27 | abrotman | FDfh: disable the stuff for people with disabilities .. ti's called like SlowKeys or something .. see the Man at the Top .. |
| 14:56.43 | abrotman | should have phrased that better ... |
| 14:56.51 | FDfh | Hm, don't remember enabling it |
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| 14:56.58 | abrotman | FDfh: you don't it's magic .. |
| 14:57.02 | abrotman | filed a bug on this awhile ago |
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| 14:57.08 | karlpinc | FDfh: It happens automatically if you lean on the keyboard long enough, or something like that. |
| 14:57.13 | FDfh | Oh, wonderful. |
| 14:57.24 | FDfh | Thanks everyone, I'll try that :) |
| 14:57.39 | abrotman | FDfh: let me see if i can find it |
| 14:57.49 | abrotman | FDfh: then you can say that it also happened to you :) |
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| 14:58.54 | abrotman | FDfh: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=563759 |
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| 15:01.05 | HardDisk_WP | anyone here who knows how to get a working vacationreply for exim4-debian? |
| 15:01.23 | HardDisk_WP | tryin to follow http://wiki.exim.org/EximAutoReply example #2 |
| 15:01.34 | HardDisk_WP | but it doesnt work even if router is before local_user router |
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| 15:02.01 | FDfh | abrotman: I can't boot debian right this second, but I don't have the "blue man in the systray" problem |
| 15:02.01 | voed | how to search for debian packages, for e.g. we do that in fedora via "yum search <package_name>" , i wanna install mozilla firefox atm. |
| 15:02.27 | abrotman | FDfh: you may have without noticing it ... |
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| 15:02.35 | abrotman | !tell voed about search |
| 15:03.04 | FDfh | abrotman: before I booted windows, I had checked my systray for anything that might be causing problems |
| 15:03.18 | abrotman | FDfh: it's not obvious .. i'd double check .. |
| 15:03.40 | FDfh | All right then; thanks for your help :) |
| 15:03.46 | man_in_ltop | having to export everything to ps to print it to a non-postscript printer connected over the network by cups is really starting to annoy me |
| 15:03.55 | abrotman | FDfh: it took me a few hours to figure it out |
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| 15:04.28 | nick_h | the manpage for GNU find says "-cmin Fileâs status was last changed". what does "status" refer to? |
| 15:04.29 | FDfh | abrotman: it'll just be at the top-right corner? near the clock? |
| 15:04.43 | abrotman | FDfh: wherever your notification area is (like where the pidgin icon goes) |
| 15:04.55 | FDfh | abrotman: ah, thanks |
| 15:05.00 | jelly | leafwiz: huh, the driver can't allocate memory for 4096x4096? Try minimizing your Virtual to what you're actually going to use -- Virtual 2390 768 |
| 15:05.29 | abrotman | FDfh: or your xchat or uhm .. network-manager .. or opera if you have that |
| 15:05.39 | kuzew | Anyone know why kde-minimal (4.4) isn't available for testing? |
| 15:05.48 | FDfh | abrotman: yes, I know where you're talking about :) |
| 15:05.50 | jordanm | nick_h: man 3 ctime |
| 15:06.16 | jelly | kuzew: kde4 is probably currently in transition from unstable |
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| 15:06.29 | jordanm | nick_h: sorry, that actually doesn't look useful for your question |
| 15:06.54 | kuzew | jelly: Ah, because I look in the unstable packages and I don't see that meta-package in unstable as well |
| 15:07.02 | jelly | oh? |
| 15:07.07 | jelly | ,versions kde-minimal |
| 15:07.07 | kuzew | Yeah ): |
| 15:07.07 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'kde-minimal' was found. |
| 15:07.12 | jelly | ,versions kde4-minimal |
| 15:07.13 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'kde4-minimal' was found. |
| 15:07.20 | jelly | *shrug* |
| 15:08.04 | kuzew | The full blown kde4 is too much for me -- I don't want to be running mysql and all this indexing crap |
| 15:08.20 | jelly | kuzew: might get a better answer in #debian-kde on irc.debian.org (irc.oftc.net) |
| 15:08.34 | kuzew | Ah, ok. Thanks! |
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| 15:15.49 | leafwiz | jelly, thx :) It works now. |
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| 15:17.58 | jelly | kuzew: the topic on that channel says to read, among other bits, http://wiki.debian.org/DebianKDEâ, also, |
| 15:17.58 | jelly | <Kebianizao|work> jelly: if I'm correct you will need now plasma-desktop (or -netbook) whereas kde-standard will provide some more convenient packages |
| 15:18.28 | jelly | kuzew: if they're lying to me, I'm lying to you |
| 15:18.36 | man_in_ltop | LIES! ALL LIES! |
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| 15:20.25 | ponyofdeath | does debian squeeze installer support preseeding for ext4? |
| 15:20.26 | ponyofdeath | http://pastebin.com/qtfMFhQH this seems to yeild an ext3 setup not ext4 |
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| 15:27.51 | lindi- | ponyofdeath: repeating the same question again and again won't really help much |
| 15:28.00 | jelly | !install kde4 |
| 15:28.01 | dpkg | From squeeze onwards, "kde-standard" gets you the common set up, "kde-plasma-desktop" and "kde-plasma-netbook" minimal kde4 setups with respective flavouring, and "kde-full" install everything kde4. For more details on metapackages, see http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde4.html . Also read the topic in #debian-kde on irc.debian.org (irc.oftc.net). |
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| 15:28.31 | davis | i have two removable usb disks which are both using ntfs. I am using ntfs-3g to mount them. However on reboot the device id's change. So, putting /dev/sdd1 as /mnt/archive will not work. Is there a way I can ensure the archive removable drive is always mounted even if it comes up as /dev/sde1 or /dev/sdd1? Something using UID like ext supports disk labels? |
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| 15:28.38 | gypsymauro | hi |
| 15:28.54 | gypsymauro | there is a way in X.org to get the list of windows opened? |
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| 15:29.20 | lindi- | gypsymauro: xwininfo |
| 15:29.32 | amphi | gypsymauro: or wmctrl -l I think |
| 15:29.33 | jordanm | davis: you should be able to use disk labels |
| 15:29.45 | jordanm | davis: access via /dev/disk/by-lable/ |
| 15:30.08 | davis | disk labels work for ext filesystems. I dont know how to label a ntfs file system. |
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| 15:31.10 | babilen | davis: uuid? |
| 15:31.37 | nsadmin | if you can get the uuid to the partition... |
| 15:32.00 | jordanm | davis: i see there is an app called ntfslabel |
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| 15:32.34 | davis | so I tried that. |
| 15:32.38 | davis | I did a ntfs-3g.usermap /dev/sde5 |
| 15:32.42 | nsadmin | why are you using so much/many ntfs partitions? |
| 15:32.43 | davis | then moved the UserMapping file to the filesystem on that partition |
| 15:32.49 | davis | then in /etc/fstab, I put UID=xxxxx where i had /dev/sde5 and tried to remount. it failed to mount. |
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| 15:33.33 | jelly | davis: there's a ntfslabel tool in ntfsprogs |
| 15:33.36 | davis | i have two disks which are removable and in ntfs format because I use them on a win box as well. |
| 15:33.42 | davis | ok let me try ntfslabel |
| 15:33.45 | davis | manytnaks |
| 15:33.52 | jelly | or, indeed, use the native OS |
| 15:34.03 | DexterF | how do I set whether nfs-kernel-server serves NFSv3 or v4? |
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| 15:34.55 | jelly | DexterF: don't you have to go out of your way and set up v4 correctly, or it won't get used? |
| 15:35.21 | DexterF | jelly: heck if I know |
| 15:35.35 | babilen | davis: and it's UUID not UID - but try to label the fs first as labels are much more readable :) |
| 15:35.43 | DexterF | thought the systems use best available. seems I'm wrong. |
| 15:36.07 | jelly | DexterF: well, you can explicitely specify vers= in mount options anyway |
| 15:36.21 | DexterF | didn't know that... gonna try.. |
| 15:36.35 | jelly | DexterF: man 5 nfs |
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| 15:36.50 | DexterF | thanks |
| 15:36.52 | Recku | hello! |
| 15:37.46 | davis | will ntfstools work with ntfs-3g or do i need their driver? |
| 15:38.11 | davis | yes, i am going to try the ntfslabel approach. thanks for tip. |
| 15:38.27 | cire | I want to visualize a network organization for a client. Are there any tools for that? What I need is entities like devices (computer, switch, cables, printer, scanner, ...) and their properties (OS, running software, purpose, ...). How would you do that in an nice way? |
| 15:38.53 | jelly | davis: they are orthogonal. I'd unmount the fs before modifying it |
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| 15:39.12 | davis | yes its unmounted. |
| 15:39.18 | cire | client==customer |
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| 15:39.35 | jelly | Visio? |
| 15:39.38 | jelly | hides |
| 15:39.59 | jordanm | cire: you want this to be discovered automatically or a tool to make a diagram using that information? |
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| 15:41.02 | cire | jordanm: not automatically. I need a tool like dia or sth. |
| 15:41.07 | cire | but perhaps specialist in that topic |
| 15:41.11 | cire | specialized |
| 15:41.31 | Recku | How can I reinstall all on my system... because I've a missing installed files after fixing my hard drive, but I say this yesterday... |
| 15:41.39 | kuzew | jelly: Thanks for your help and info |
| 15:41.59 | Recku | I search in manually dpkg and apt-get |
| 15:42.14 | Recku | but I can't find needed command line |
| 15:42.21 | jelly | dpkg, tell Recku about reinstall |
| 15:42.40 | jordanm | cire: dia and commercial viseo are the only that I know of. `lanmap` will passively listen and try to create a network map automatically, or autoscan-network will identify that other information you are looking for |
| 15:43.07 | cire | jordanm: the network doesn't exist yet, so no data can be gathered by listening ;) |
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| 15:43.50 | jordanm | cire: ah yes, the right way to do it :). |
| 15:43.53 | cire | I do not want to use this MS Office thingy |
| 15:44.08 | cire | ;) |
| 15:44.30 | riot | hmhm. Since last upgrade (yesterday, unstable) grub2 tells me "the symbol |
| 15:44.37 | riot | grub_env_find not found |
| 15:44.52 | riot | can i fix this within the (/!&§ grub-rescue? |
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| 15:45.53 | jordanm | cire: I wouldn't either... an openoffice equiv would be really nice |
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| 15:46.33 | XTF | Policy requires each web server to serve /doc and /images by default. Does this requirement make much sense in todays world? |
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| 15:47.01 | riot | what bullshitfuckup went there... I hate when grub dies on me |
| 15:47.02 | cire | jordanm: I think there was such a thing in OO a time ago... |
| 15:47.21 | cire | don't know whether it disappeared or I invented it in mind ;) |
| 15:47.30 | jordanm | XTF: whose policy? |
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| 15:49.03 | XTF | jordanm: Debian's |
| 15:49.03 | ||cw | so I'd like to put separate IP's on each of 2 NIC's, then also make a bridge to use with kvm on a bond of the 2 nic. when i put all this in the interfaces file, it seems to drop the IP's from the eth# devices. normal or am I missing something? |
| 15:49.08 | DexterF | jelly: rpc.mountd manpage says "can support 2 and 3" but aptitude show indicates it has 4 support. idea how to check? |
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| 15:50.44 | DexterF | jelly: nvm, nfsd4 in ps ax.... |
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| 15:57.10 | the_sniff | chan limit gonna be reached again ?:p |
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| 15:58.13 | Kissaki | can I use the unstable repo only for specific packages? or would I have to download and install them manually then? (if I don't want to entirely switch to/include unstable) |
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| 16:00.30 | SandWolf_0x37 | Kissaki, i believe you will have problem with the dependecies . newer packages depend on different version of packages .. |
| 16:01.43 | simonrvn | the_sniff: the bot sets it auto, as needed.... |
| 16:02.23 | Kissaki | well, maybe, yeah... |
| 16:02.24 | wols_ | !tell Kissaki about ssb |
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| 16:05.12 | ScottG | What is the package for non-free flash? I have the non-free for my normal repositores. But the package I normally look for isn't there |
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| 16:06.20 | tarzeau_ | how can i get sound software to use my card 1: iSub [harman/kardon USB iSub], device 0: USB Audio [USB Audio] |
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| 16:06.26 | jordanm | ScottG: its in lenny-backports |
| 16:06.46 | tarzeau_ | the asoundrc script at alsa.opensrc.org/.asoundrc doesn't find any sound device :( |
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| 16:07.49 | Kissaki | ok, self-compile then... thank you |
| 16:08.31 | wols_ | !tell ScottG about adobe flash |
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| 16:11.23 | vallhalla | hi all |
| 16:11.43 | vallhalla | !irssi |
| 16:11.43 | dpkg | i guess irssi is the best <IRC> client ever. "aptitude install irssi" and read http://www.irssi.org/documentation/startup . See also http://irssi.org/documentation/faq . http://www.irssi.org/ #irssi on open.ircnet.net and irc.freenode.net. |
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| 16:13.14 | Kissaki | o rly? |
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| 16:13.32 | ScottG | jordanm: Alrighty |
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| 16:14.27 | jordanm | !factinfo irssi |
| 16:14.27 | dpkg | irssi -- last modified at Sat Jun 6 18:05:50 2009 by gsimmons!~gsimmons@gsimmons.org; it has been requested 195 times, last by vallhalla, 2m 44s ago. |
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| 16:15.12 | JordiGH | Can I send more than hostname via DHCP? |
| 16:15.19 | JordiGH | More than one hostname? |
| 16:15.34 | the_sniff | whats the debian equiv of windows' tcptimedwaitdelay? |
| 16:16.01 | JordiGH | I want my router to identify my computer by two different names. For setting up virtual hosts in Apache's httpd in our LAN. |
| 16:16.13 | JordiGH | And the router doesn't seem to have an interface to let me directly play with its DNS. |
| 16:17.29 | jordanm | the_sniff: net.ipv4.tcp_max_syn_backlog? |
| 16:17.53 | the_sniff | syn backlog? u have a ref on that? |
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| 16:18.57 | jordanm | the_sniff: no, I just looked through /proc/sys/net/ipv4 and took a guess |
| 16:19.14 | the_sniff | what is syn_backlog? |
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| 16:20.04 | jordanm | the_sniff: its likely documented somewhere in the Documentation dir of kernel sources |
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| 16:20.33 | the_sniff | oh |
| 16:20.35 | the_sniff | well thats not it |
| 16:20.38 | the_sniff | http://www.linuxinsight.com/proc_sys_net_ipv4_tcp_max_syn_backlog.html |
| 16:20.48 | the_sniff | i need to lower the wait time for a TIME_WAIT connection |
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| 16:21.40 | jordanm | the_sniff: well, if possible, it will likely me a value thats modified with sysctl |
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| 16:22.08 | the_sniff | but which value? |
| 16:22.14 | the_sniff | i cant google it |
| 16:22.29 | jordanm | the_sniff: no, you will likely have to look through official documentation |
| 16:22.41 | jordanm | its not like this is a usual request |
| 16:22.51 | riot | hmhmm. how do i make nvidias driver compile using gcc-4.3? it doesn't even appear as alternative. Only 4.4 if i have it installed. Uninstalling 4.4 removes ALL gcc-alternatives |
| 16:22.53 | tarzeau_ | yay got it to work with padsp xmp `ls|rl` |
| 16:23.37 | themill | riot: /msg dpkg nvidia ; don't use the installer from their websitd |
| 16:24.39 | the_sniff | oh there it is |
| 16:24.41 | the_sniff | /sbin/sysctl -w net.ipv4.vs.timeout_timewait |
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| 16:27.12 | riot | okay, i'm trying the debian-method.. lets see |
| 16:27.29 | the_sniff | jordanm seems like its not there lol |
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| 16:27.31 | riot | this usually failed on me, 1 year ago. Maybe things changed.. |
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| 16:28.36 | riot | no such device when inserting the module :) wow. |
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| 16:30.19 | chemistrydioxide | hello everybody, i just updated debian squeeze and kio_http has stopped working. i tried googling, but i couldn't find anything useful. can someone help me? |
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| 16:31.23 | chemistrydioxide | i keep on getting " The requested operation could not be completed - Unexpected Program Termination" errors |
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| 16:33.17 | riot | guess, my wish to use nvidia with 2.6.32-5 is too early |
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| 16:33.34 | themill | riot: squeeze? |
| 16:33.39 | riot | themill: unstable. |
| 16:33.58 | themill | should work just fine |
| 16:34.03 | JordiGH | Hm, never mind, solved it elsehow. |
| 16:34.04 | riot | i |
| 16:34.26 | riot | themill: like i said, modprobing nvidia (from m-a nvidia) tells me: device not found :/ |
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| 16:35.22 | themill | riot: you're going to need to provide a lot more information before anyone can help you. Like precisely what version of the nvidia packages you're using and what chipset you have. |
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| 16:35.59 | riot | wtf. LOL. reboot -> WORKS |
| 16:36.01 | JordiGH | lol |
| 16:36.02 | JordiGH | Huh, what's the default MTA these days? |
| 16:36.11 | JordiGH | Neither exim nor postfix are installed here. |
| 16:36.16 | babilen | exim4 |
| 16:36.20 | riot | weird, but nice :) |
| 16:36.21 | JordiGH | Oh, exim4. |
| 16:36.32 | themill | JordiGH: just like it has been for many years |
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| 16:36.58 | JordiGH | I forgot the 4, sorry. |
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| 16:38.02 | stew | I thought there was somewhere in /sys that I could see what parameters a kenrel module was loaded with. anyone remember what or if I'm just misremembering? |
| 16:38.30 | stew | i would have thought somewhere in /sys/module/$modulename |
| 16:39.14 | babilen | stew: Which module are you looking for? |
| 16:39.26 | stew | bnx2 |
| 16:39.51 | amphi | /sys/module/$MODULE_NAME/parameters I thought |
| 16:40.04 | wols_ | stew: Try using systool. For example, I view the active options for my storage controllers using systool -c scsi_host -av or systool -c fc_host -av. this is frm a forum posting |
| 16:40.07 | babilen | stew: "find /sys -name bnx|grep module" will have the answer ;) |
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| 16:40.51 | stew | hmm, lots of things in /sys/module have a parameters but not bnx2, which might be answering my question about "did it pick up my change in modprobe.d" |
| 16:41.06 | themill | hands babilen a -path instead of a -name |
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| 16:41.23 | babilen | themill: thank you - i've lost it earlier ;) |
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| 16:45.54 | jelly | stew: maybe it's a "firmware required for module parameters to work!" |
| 16:46.20 | stew | ok, yeah, the parameter doesn't show up in sys (or systool) even when I make sure to load it by hand |
| 16:46.30 | stew | probably because, as we know, the bnx2 module sucks |
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| 16:46.40 | stew | which is why I'm having to do this in the first place :) |
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| 16:47.34 | jelly | it sucks less when it gets its fw |
| 16:48.11 | jelly | well, actually then it really begins to be able to suck data |
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| 16:49.17 | stew | this is "MAC looses link under heavy traffic" which I can apparantly fix with "disable_msi" or use an out of tree module |
| 16:49.42 | stew | box would fall off the net, seemingly any time we got a syn backlog queue full |
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| 16:50.22 | stew | as this is a remote box i don't want to mess with an out of tree network driver if i can work around it with a module parameter |
| 16:50.47 | jelly | solution: a frontend proxy which actually opens tcp connections it is given |
| 16:51.24 | stew | this is the frontend proxy |
| 16:51.36 | jelly | heheh |
| 16:51.59 | stew | haproxy is great btw |
| 16:52.19 | jelly | I was thinking nginx, but... same difference ;-) |
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| 16:54.07 | jelly | will keep that in mind for when we replace a customer's cisco asa based load balancer |
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| 16:54.38 | stew | that's actually what I'm doing :) |
| 16:54.46 | jelly | or not... I'm informed that customer has been using a very sophisticated balancer for the last year |
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| 16:55.00 | jelly | can you guess... dns round robin |
| 16:55.05 | stew | :) |
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| 16:55.26 | jelly | asa was being torn when ddos happened |
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| 16:55.52 | jelly | they also tried some anti-ddos appliances, which worked well when not under pressure |
| 16:56.03 | daddyT | i need good c99shell scanning server "RFI" |
| 16:56.45 | stew | i'm replacing a $500/month cisco load balancer we're not allowed to touch with a $200/month dual quad core with tons of ram I get root on, its a big win |
| 16:56.53 | jelly | daddyT: lolwut |
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| 16:57.18 | OpenTokix | stew: =) |
| 16:57.29 | OpenTokix | stew: how much traffic do you have? |
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| 16:58.07 | stew | OpenTokix: 8tb/month or so? most days at peak we're getting about 600 http requests / second |
| 16:58.27 | OpenTokix | stew: That is not a terrible amount |
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| 16:59.27 | NTU | Hi. I am a bit confused by the 5.0.4 expert installer in ncurses mode. How do I set up an encrypted file system? It won |
| 16:59.36 | NTU | sorry hit the enter key too soon |
| 16:59.41 | jelly | stew: these 3 backends get around 800 req/s each... dns rr rules ;-) |
| 16:59.56 | NTU | It won't let me mount / on the encrypted LVM |
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| 17:01.58 | stew | jelly: yeah this is a e-commerce site, that's probably where we'll be around giftmas season, which is what we're gearing up for now. we are routing to particular app servers based on request, so we can't do simple round-robin |
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| 17:02.07 | NTU | stew: hey! |
| 17:02.12 | stew | hi |
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| 17:02.13 | NTU | do you remember me? |
| 17:02.15 | jordanm | NTU: with a sepeerate /boot? |
| 17:02.15 | stew | yes |
| 17:02.28 | OpenTokix | Im using iptables balancing, works perfectly |
| 17:02.31 | jelly | stew: yeah, that's a nice feature if the app can't do it itself |
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| 17:03.10 | NTU | jordanm: yes |
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| 17:03.57 | warz | hi all. im coming from ubuntu and have to use debian for an application at work. supposedly debian is one of the few supported OSes. what package manager does debian use? |
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| 17:04.04 | warz | does it have apt? |
| 17:04.08 | AimHere | Yes |
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| 17:04.16 | NTU | warz: Yes |
| 17:04.20 | NTU | and dpkg |
| 17:04.21 | AimHere | apt-get and aptitude and synaptic if you need a gui |
| 17:04.27 | warz | sweet. i should be right at home then |
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| 17:04.42 | GNU\colossus | warz: apt was created by/for Debian |
| 17:04.46 | AimHere | Ubuntu pilfered all those from Debian |
| 17:04.49 | warz | ah |
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| 17:04.52 | warz | nice |
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| 17:05.31 | NTU | debian is the way Linux is supposed to be. Third most Unix like distro (Slackware then arch) |
| 17:05.43 | NTU | at least in my opinion |
| 17:05.47 | NTU | so you'll be all set :) |
| 17:06.34 | warz | haha, great. |
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| 17:06.44 | the_sniff | why don't iptables work forme? :o |
| 17:06.56 | warz | this question may stem from ubuntu also, but does debian have a 'server' install? |
| 17:06.56 | jelly | NTU: most Unix like? Which Unices have you worked with? |
| 17:07.09 | wildc4rd | evenin' all |
| 17:07.20 | warz | one of our servers here is a sun machine with solaris. god thats rough. |
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| 17:07.37 | frostschutz | warz: debian is a server install compared to ubuntu ;) |
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| 17:08.08 | warz | well, i dont want gnome or anything. just base install and then i can use apt to get what i need. |
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| 17:08.11 | NTU | frostschutz: and dont forget it actually works :) |
| 17:08.34 | jelly | warz: depends on what you need for your server. For a first installation, I'd suggest installing only the base system, then installing additional packages when needed |
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| 17:08.40 | jelly | righto |
| 17:08.45 | wols_ | warz: that's the debian default. you get a "tasksel" at the end of the install where you can, but don't have to, install anything like gnome, like a webserver, etc |
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| 17:09.11 | jelly | so, base system, then ssh, screen, vim, zsh and you're set ;-) |
| 17:09.34 | frostschutz | warz: I'm running debian on all my servers, and I usually just debootstrap and go from there. but if you want a standard lamp environment, tasksel / aptitude / whatever can do that for you, or you can just apt-get what you need... |
| 17:09.37 | jelly | relurks to see who'll bite |
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| 17:10.13 | davidthedrake | Hello. I'm currently migrating from PostgreSQL 8.1 to 8.3. I've got both up and running on this Debian 5 machine but I can't figure out how to correctly access the psql 8.3 client. Currently, the psql command points to /usr/bin/psql which links to /usr/share/postgresql-common/pg_wrapper. I'm trying to figure out what I need to do so I can have a command that uses the 8.3 client instead of the 8.1 client. Any hints? |
| 17:10.13 | warz | cool |
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| 17:11.01 | NTU | so can anybody explain how the whole LVM system works? I have a 32 Mb /boot, a 200Gb /, and a 100Gb encrypted LVM |
| 17:11.19 | NTU | i dont know how to mount / under the LVM |
| 17:11.21 | OpenTokix | NTU: What don't you understand? |
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| 17:12.03 | stew | davidthedrake: have you seen the pg_wrapper manpage? |
| 17:12.05 | NTU | like OK i have an encrypted LVM but there is no data on it |
| 17:12.16 | dutchfish | hi, how to satisfy the nepomuk Semantic Desktop with virtuoso RDF server, what is the exact point of depency to solve ie is it libsoprano4? thanks. (squeeze x86_64 on KDE 4.4) |
| 17:12.22 | OpenTokix | NTU: What happens if you mount /dev/volumegroup/logicalvolume ? |
| 17:12.29 | davidthedrake | stew: oo... I have not. That's a good place to start. |
| 17:12.31 | OpenTokix | like: mount /dev/vg0/lv0 /mount/point |
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| 17:13.28 | flo` | hi |
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| 17:13.40 | NTU | is there a way to mount ALL files under the encrypted LVM? |
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| 17:13.49 | NTU | i want my whole system encrypted |
| 17:13.51 | flo` | can apt or aptitude give me a list of packages i explicitly installed? (i.e., that aren't deps)? |
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| 17:14.02 | flo` | NTU, initrd? |
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| 17:14.05 | OpenTokix | NTU: The lvm is a blockdevice like a harddrive - and then you encrypt the blockdevice |
| 17:14.35 | NTU | flo' aptitude can |
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| 17:14.55 | NTU | flo` go into aptitude and go into installed packages |
| 17:15.00 | davidthedrake | stew: jackpot. Didn't even think to look for a man page for pg_wrapper. Thanks much :) |
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| 17:15.39 | NTU | how big should the LVM be? |
| 17:15.48 | NTU | bigger or smaller than / ? |
| 17:15.57 | flo` | NTU, the whole partition or single volumes? |
| 17:16.07 | flo` | huh? wtf? |
| 17:16.21 | flo` | i assume you don't need a / outside the lvm... |
| 17:16.22 | frostschutz | NTU: I'm not sure if Debian's installer / standard kernel initrd can do that for you, but it's possible, yes. However you should understand how encryption and how lvm works before doing this, or you'll end up locking yourself out :) |
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| 17:16.26 | OpenTokix | NTU: The same size it is now, there is plenty of howtos for encrypted / |
| 17:16.48 | NTU | im looking for one that covers how to do it through the expert installer |
| 17:16.55 | flo` | linux from scratch has a nice hint for encrypted, raid, lvm and stuff |
| 17:17.27 | jair | hello guys I have a server IBM 3850m2 with four CPUs six cores each and 254GB memory. I want to configure this as my testing/development kvm linux server. I installed squeeze on this machine and I remember when I was doing the install the kernel did not but because I have too many cpus or something like that so I think now there is a parameter I need to edit on the grub loader before booting the system otherwise I can only see four cpus of 24 cores... |
| 17:17.39 | NTU | so 100Gb lvm and 200gb / is ok? hmm ok i guessed right! |
| 17:17.39 | jair | how can I check that the kvm linux kernel is recognizing all the 24 cores? |
| 17:17.42 | flo` | NTU, but how can i make it show only the non-deps? |
| 17:17.53 | jair | when I do cat /proc/cpu_info ===> http://paste.debian.net/74131/ |
| 17:18.01 | jair | memory looks fine though ==> http://paste.debian.net/74132/ |
| 17:18.13 | NTU | flo` oh.... i have no idea |
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| 17:19.33 | dutchfish | jair: running squeeze on a simular machine. The latest stable kernel has 32 by default now (2.6.34) i dont know for the older kernels |
| 17:19.39 | abrotman | Jair: what is uname -r ? |
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| 17:19.51 | NTU | abrotman: it determins the kerne lver |
| 17:19.53 | NTU | *ver |
| 17:19.58 | abrotman | dutchfish: ISTR it's been 32 for a very long time |
| 17:20.02 | abrotman | NTU: thank you |
| 17:20.02 | jair | 2.6.32-trunk-amd64 |
| 17:20.15 | abrotman | Jair: you probably want to make sure you boot the -3- kernel and remove that -trunk- |
| 17:20.16 | dutchfish | abrotman: ah ok, thannks |
| 17:20.58 | NTU | ok brb im going to go back into the expert installer and see about this whole LVM thing |
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| 17:21.09 | jair | abrotman: ohh let me check if I have that kernel on the system |
| 17:21.39 | nsadmin | is firebug in a deb? |
| 17:21.52 | nsadmin | , versions firebug |
| 17:21.55 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'firebug' was found. |
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| 17:22.30 | nsadmin | hmm, guess not, at least under that name |
| 17:22.31 | jelly | ,kernels |
| 17:22.33 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.33-2-686 (2.6.33-1~experimental.5); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-12); squeeze: 2.6.32-3-686 (2.6.32-9); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.4-686 (2.6.32-11~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-21lenny4); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
| 17:23.18 | jair | abrotman: http://paste.debian.net/74133/ |
| 17:23.44 | jair | dutchfish: I think all I need to do is what abrotman is telling me, I will boot the system with the -3- kernel |
| 17:24.07 | jair | abrotman: I should be fine if I remove that other kernel? the trunk one? |
| 17:24.18 | stew | , list *firebug |
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| 17:24.30 | stew | i don't even remember how to use the bot i wrote! |
| 17:24.34 | stew | , search *firebug |
| 17:24.36 | judd | There were no matching configuration variables. |
| 17:24.43 | abrotman | Jair: i don't know that it would fix it .. but it would at least get you on the right kernel |
| 17:24.45 | themill | ,names *firebug* |
| 17:24.46 | judd | *firebug* in lenny/i386: iceweasel-firebug 1.2.0~b6-1 |
| 17:24.46 | stew | but there are firebug packages |
| 17:25.00 | abrotman | yay! |
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| 17:25.15 | themill | stew: you're rusty! You clearly need practice :) |
| 17:26.24 | jair | abrotman: so the answer is do not remove the trunk one yet? |
| 17:26.34 | cga | jordanm: hi, just to tell yuo that i solved the nginx init.d script issue by adding Required-Start: $local_fs $remote_fs $syslog $named $network |
| 17:26.35 | abrotman | boot the -3- first |
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| 17:29.42 | jair | abrotman: alright. doing that now |
| 17:32.03 | jair | abrotman: If I want to edit the grub boot menu before rebooting the system to boot default the -3- what file I should change? I am looking at the boot grub directories... |
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| 17:32.54 | SPF | jair: menu.lst |
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| 17:33.41 | mguy | jair: What version of grub? |
| 17:33.43 | jair | SPF: I am trying to find that file on squeeze hmmmm |
| 17:33.58 | jair | mguy: hold on please checking |
| 17:34.03 | simonrvn | if you're using the menu, why not not bother editing it, boot to -3- and then remove -trunk- ? it's going to disappear once purged.... |
| 17:34.25 | jair | ii grub-common 1.98-1 GRand Unified Bootloader, version 2 (common files) |
| 17:34.35 | cafaro | Hi, is there an easy way to install the Sid kernel (as package) without having to install every other sid package? |
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| 17:34.53 | abrotman | cafaro: don't do that |
| 17:35.15 | mguy | jair: Grub version 2 doesn't even have a menu.lst |
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| 17:35.54 | abrotman | it does have grub.cfg .. but ultimately, it would just be easier to select the -3- at the grub prompt, boot, remove the -trunk- .. be happy! |
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| 17:36.22 | mguy | What is he trying to do? I just joined late |
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| 17:36.42 | abrotman | probably better if you don't konw :) |
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| 17:37.13 | jair | abrotman: the things is that I am remote from the server |
| 17:37.24 | abrotman | and what? |
| 17:37.24 | Vladimir_ | Hello, I have a problem with my locales. After I generated them all, Debian still cannot display east-Asian characters. |
| 17:37.34 | abrotman | Vladimir_: in which appilcation? |
| 17:37.35 | jair | mguy: that's true the grub version 2 have a configuration list of parameters |
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| 17:38.04 | Vladimir_ | abrotman: root console |
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| 17:39.21 | jair | I will research how to change the kernel order on the grub version 2 and try to boot that way we will see |
| 17:39.29 | jair | thank you I will be back lunch time =) |
| 17:40.07 | abrotman | Jair: moment |
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| 17:40.39 | mguy | dreamhost.com down for anyone else? |
| 17:40.43 | jhutchins | abrotman: Is there any documentation on customizing grub2 yet? |
| 17:40.48 | abrotman | Jair: /etc/default/grub ... change the one you want |
| 17:41.07 | Vladimir_ | abrotman: I ran dpkg-reconfigure locales as root |
| 17:41.09 | abrotman | jair: you want to change the GRUB_DEFAULT to the one you want it to be |
| 17:41.18 | abrotman | Vladimir_: there's probably some console font you need |
| 17:41.49 | jhutchins | mguy: http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/dreamhost.com |
| 17:42.09 | Vladimir_ | abrotman: The problem isn't in the console alone |
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| 17:42.53 | cafaro | abrotman, why, should I compile it myself? (I'm running squeeze right now btw) |
| 17:42.56 | mguy | jhutchins: Thanks, that is cool |
| 17:43.09 | abrotman | cafaro: what software are you talking about ? |
| 17:43.13 | jhutchins | mguy: It comes in handy. |
| 17:43.17 | cafaro | abrotman: kernel |
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| 17:43.50 | abrotman | cafaro: don't they have the same kernel pretty much? |
| 17:43.54 | abrotman | judd: kernels |
| 17:43.54 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.33-2-686 (2.6.33-1~experimental.5); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-12); squeeze: 2.6.32-3-686 (2.6.32-9); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.4-686 (2.6.32-11~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-21lenny4); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
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| 17:44.03 | abrotman | it's -3- vs -5- |
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| 17:45.10 | cafaro | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:45.31 | cafaro | abrotman: KMS should work with 2.6.32-5-686 ? |
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| 17:46.21 | wols_ | cafaro: KMS is a WIP. every minor kernel version brings more support. e.g. ati 5xxx cards need .34 |
| 17:47.04 | cafaro | wols_: ok thanks |
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| 17:49.54 | ice799 | Hi. I am using Debian Lenny on an amd64 system. I accidentally destroyed one of the files in /usr/share/zoneinfo and I'm not sure which package I'll need to reinstall from apt |
| 17:50.02 | ice799 | to get the zoneinfo files back. |
| 17:50.43 | jordanm | ice799: tzdata |
| 17:50.47 | jordanm | !tell ice799 about apt-file |
| 17:51.34 | ice799 | jordanm: thanks. |
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| 17:52.46 | crushkill | hi |
| 17:52.48 | crushkill | anyone know in debian / apt if thers a way to find out which repository a package was installed from? |
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| 17:59.25 | ice799 | hmm |
| 17:59.27 | ice799 | jordanm: Reinstallation of tzdata is not possible, it cannot be downloaded. |
| 17:59.31 | ice799 | hrm. |
| 17:59.51 | tdn | How can I adjust the color temperature on my monitor? |
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| 18:01.40 | SerajewelKS | tdn: the little buttons on the frame |
| 18:02.18 | ice799 | oh i guess i need to |
| 18:02.22 | ice799 | apt-get update first |
| 18:02.25 | ice799 | then i can install or reinstall |
| 18:02.42 | ice799 | i suppose that "cannot be downloaded" meant that my sources list/cache/whatever had gone stale |
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| 18:03.42 | tdn | SerajewelKS, can't it be done from software? |
| 18:04.00 | tdn | SerajewelKS, there are apps for Mac OSX and Windows that does this. |
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| 18:04.40 | tdn | SerajewelKS, for example: f.lux |
| 18:05.12 | ||cw | tdn: if you have a nv or ati I think their control panels can, but use them to tweak in better than what the display's built in controls can do |
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| 18:05.50 | ||cw | macs are different, apple displays have an additional data channel to the PC so the software can control the display's built in settings |
| 18:06.02 | SerajewelKS | tdn: as ||cw said. also, using those tools modifies the signal to the monitor, so you effectively lose color space when you do that. |
| 18:06.18 | ||cw | which is why they don't have anything more than a power button on the display |
| 18:06.29 | crushkill | anyone know in debian / apt if thers a way to find out which repository a package was installed from? |
| 18:07.52 | tdn | ||cw, I use nouveau driver. |
| 18:08.53 | tdn | ||cw, my laptop does not have buttons for that. (Thinkpad T61p) |
| 18:09.11 | SerajewelKS | tdn: then you can't adjust that... |
| 18:09.20 | tdn | SerajewelKS, ||cw, do you know any packages that provides this functionality? |
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| 18:09.31 | tdn | SerajewelKS, but I could from software, right? |
| 18:09.34 | SerajewelKS | crushkill: you can use "apt-cache policy packagename" to show which available versions come from which repo... |
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| 18:09.41 | tdn | SerajewelKS, with an ICC profile or something? |
| 18:09.56 | SerajewelKS | tdn: theoretically speaking, yes. using compiz might be the easiest way. |
| 18:11.27 | tdn | SerajewelKS, hmm... any idea how? |
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| 18:11.52 | SerajewelKS | tdn: not really, since i have not had to do this |
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| 18:12.01 | tdn | SerajewelKS, ok. |
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| 18:20.39 | laurus | I'm on Debian Squeeze. How do I downgrade my kernel to the Debian Lenny kernel (2.6.26) ? |
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| 18:21.06 | simonrvn | you install it |
| 18:21.13 | laurus | simonrvn, what is the package name? |
| 18:21.21 | simonrvn | !pdo |
| 18:21.21 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/, in some contexts. Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/ |
| 18:21.28 | laurus | simonrvn, I've looked on there |
| 18:22.04 | simonrvn | ,versions linux-image |
| 18:22.05 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'linux-image' was found. |
| 18:22.10 | laurus | I mean, I'm on Squeeze, so I don't know if an older kernel will have a package in Squeeze. |
| 18:22.14 | simonrvn | ,names *linux-image* |
| 18:22.16 | judd | *linux-image* in lenny/i386: linux-image-2.6.26-2-486 2.6.26-21; linux-image-2.6.26-2-686 2.6.26-21; linux-image-2.6.26-2-686-bigmem 2.6.26-21; linux-image-2.6.26-2-amd64 2.6.26-21; linux-image-2.6.26-2-openvz-686 2.6.26-21; linux-image-2.6.26-2-vserver-686 2.6.26-21; linux-image-2.6.26-2-vserver-686-bigmem 2.6.26-21; linux-image-2.6.26-2-xen-686 2.6.26-21; linux-image-2.6-486 2.6.26+17+lenny1; (2 more messages) |
| 18:22.34 | simonrvn | not really... |
| 18:22.37 | laurus | Right, but how do I choose the package from Lenny rather than Squeeze? |
| 18:22.57 | simonrvn | you fetch the deb |
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| 18:23.05 | laurus | How do I do that? |
| 18:23.10 | simonrvn | ... |
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| 18:24.01 | Kilah | laurus: http://packages.debian.org/ |
| 18:24.09 | laurus | Kilah, oh, you can download a deb from that site? |
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| 18:24.13 | wuffi600 | hi. |
| 18:24.31 | Arrowmaster | is there something like joy2key that i can use to remap keyboard keys per application? |
| 18:24.33 | Kilah | laurus: yes you can download |
| 18:24.40 | laurus | Kilah, thanks, I didn't know that :P |
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| 18:25.26 | Kilah | laurus: yw |
| 18:25.45 | jair | abrotman: I am back, I will check the setting you just told me to change =) |
| 18:25.45 | laurus | Kilah, so I just download that kernel .deb and then dpkg -i it? |
| 18:26.19 | simonrvn | yes |
| 18:26.31 | laurus | Thanks simonrvn :) |
| 18:26.32 | Kilah | yes just dpkg -i package-name.deb |
| 18:26.37 | wuffi600 | what packages are necessary on the server to be able to use xforwarding with ssh? (on the server i've installed openssh-server and iceweasel with it dependencies but this seems not to be enough. connecting to the server using "ssh -X mybox xlogo" i get errormessage "Error: Can't open display:") |
| 18:26.42 | simonrvn | you might need the dpkg -i some deps too. the relevant page should have the info. |
| 18:27.39 | laurus | Let's see! Hehe |
| 18:27.58 | laurus | BRB, gonna test it! |
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| 18:29.47 | xperia | hello to all. i have with my external disk (ext2 partition) "/dev/sdb2" a strange problem. can not anymore delete any files ! it print allways this Error message here. "rm: cannot remove "test.txt" Stale NFS file handle". how can i fix this Problem ? |
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| 18:30.42 | xperia | hello to all. i have with my external disk (ext2 partition) "/dev/sdb2" a strange problem. can not anymore delete any files ! it print allways this Error message here. "rm: cannot remove "test.txt" Stale NFS file handle". how can i fix this Problem ? |
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| 18:31.56 | nvahalik | Is there a way to check to see if any corruption has happened on my install of lenny? |
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| 18:32.47 | abrotman | Jair: okay? and now you have a -3-? |
| 18:33.18 | jair | abrotman: why I keep getting this message in vim => E138: Can't write viminfo file /root/.viminfo! |
| 18:33.44 | jair | abrotman: I checked for a .tmp file in the root directory and there is nothing |
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| 18:40.37 | jair | I did this: kvm1:/opt# ls -l /root/.viminfo ===>-rw------- 1 root root 6654 May 20 20:21 /root/.viminfo |
| 18:41.05 | jair | so I am trying to get vim fixed hmmm |
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| 18:44.09 | abrotman | Jair: does your kernel look any better? |
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| 18:44.23 | jair | abrotman: I can not edit files =( |
| 18:44.29 | abrotman | any files? |
| 18:44.36 | abrotman | is your filesystem read-only ? |
| 18:44.43 | jair | it should not |
| 18:45.01 | jair | how can I check? |
| 18:45.06 | ||cw | what if you delete or rename /root/.viminfo |
| 18:45.18 | ||cw | test for read only: touch foo && rm foo |
| 18:45.25 | abrotman | jair: type 'mount' |
| 18:45.30 | ||cw | if it's read only, it'll say so |
| 18:45.37 | jair | ||cw: that is what I read online, but I am not sure if I should.... |
| 18:45.42 | jair | ok |
| 18:45.51 | ||cw | mount output i have found sometimes to be inaccurate |
| 18:46.14 | jair | http://paste.debian.net/74138/ |
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| 18:46.36 | jair | I think is mounted with write option |
| 18:46.40 | jair | or default |
| 18:46.55 | jair | how it suppose to behave.. |
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| 18:47.30 | ||cw | .viminfo just keeps command and file open history and some prefs. if you haven't customized vim, deleteing it won't hurt anything |
| 18:48.11 | babilen | jair: You are using vim as root when you get that error, don't you? |
| 18:48.17 | jair | yes |
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| 18:48.34 | jair | ||cw: ok |
| 18:48.39 | jair | mv: cannot move `/root/.viminfo' to `/root/.viminfo.old': Read-only file system |
| 18:48.51 | ||cw | see, mount lies |
| 18:48.55 | jair | ||cw: I got that error trying to rename it |
| 18:49.00 | babilen | there you have it - you probably had some fs errors and it was remounted ro |
| 18:49.01 | ||cw | your fs is read only |
| 18:49.18 | jair | abrotman: will kill me =( |
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| 18:49.40 | jair | I can run the command now to make it writable? |
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| 18:49.54 | jair | mount -o remount ? |
| 18:50.03 | abrotman | jair: what? |
| 18:50.22 | ||cw | you can try mount -o remount,rw |
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| 18:50.37 | abrotman | or find out why it's ro to begin with ... |
| 18:50.45 | jair | abrotman: I do not know why? |
| 18:50.47 | babilen | jair: I would run fsck on the fs before doing anything with it - /msg dpkg forcefsck and reboot. But you could try to remount it rw. |
| 18:50.52 | jair | all I did was reboot the system |
| 18:51.11 | jair | babilen: I will try remount first |
| 18:51.12 | babilen | jair: Ah - touching that won't work :-) |
| 18:51.19 | abrotman | Jair: shutdown -rF |
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| 18:51.27 | jair | abrotman: ok |
| 18:51.30 | abrotman | though .. it is remote ... |
| 18:52.09 | jair | mount: cannot remount block device /dev/sda1 read-write, is write-protected |
| 18:52.25 | jair | so i will try to do what abrotman said? |
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| 18:54.08 | jair | I am restarting the server, I have remote access to the console monitor via RSAII |
| 18:54.30 | jair | abrotman: I will be able to moinitor the boot process and also interact with it |
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| 18:54.59 | abrotman | you neglected to mention that before |
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| 18:58.17 | jair | abrotman: I just set it up amigo |
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| 18:58.44 | jair | abrotman: I have remote access and now I have remote access to the monitor remotely as well |
| 18:58.54 | jair | abrotman: before I did not |
| 18:59.01 | BlAck6j73 | Hi guys |
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| 19:00.05 | BlAck6j73 | Hi guys I have a second monitor that I would like to add but im not sure what to put in Xorg.conf |
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| 19:05.23 | jair | abrotman: here is the error I was getting when I try to do the shutdown -rF now ===> http://i49.tinypic.com/otoim0.png |
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| 19:06.31 | jair | and here is the message I got after entering the root password for maintenance mode ====> http://i50.tinypic.com/1eswts.png |
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| 19:13.56 | Yamakiri | Hey everybody, I've got a server running on a debian platform, but it can't connect to the internet. Any advice to help me get it up? It used to connect but it hasn't for a few months so I never bothered with it again until now |
| 19:14.13 | abrotman | route? dns? |
| 19:14.26 | r0nin | plug in the Ethernet cable |
| 19:14.27 | Yamakiri | what do you mean |
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| 19:14.51 | r0nin | check your routes, route -n |
| 19:15.03 | r0nin | and nameservers in /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 19:15.07 | Yamakiri | Yeah I checked if it was loose. The light's on for #3 on my router |
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| 19:15.36 | Yamakiri | okay let me do that |
| 19:15.46 | jair | abrotman: did you get the screenshots =( |
| 19:15.57 | abrotman | no? |
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| 19:16.12 | jair | abrotman: http://i49.tinypic.com/jjskf6.png |
| 19:16.18 | abrotman | and what? |
| 19:16.21 | abrotman | you have a filesystem error |
| 19:16.45 | valdyn | he has a device that is offline |
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| 19:17.36 | jair | valdyn: looks like, maybe I need to go check the server itself, why the device or hard disk will go offline? |
| 19:17.46 | ||cw | jair: is this on a raid array? |
| 19:17.59 | valdyn | jair: loss of power, unplugged, firmware crash |
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| 19:18.04 | jair | yes this is |
| 19:18.08 | ||cw | I think you have a hardware problem |
| 19:18.11 | jair | raid 5 |
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| 19:18.18 | jair | I see |
| 19:18.49 | jair | I will probably need to access the raid utility? |
| 19:18.57 | jair | make sure the raid is online? |
| 19:19.29 | valdyn | jair: we cant answer those questions, for your kernel the device looks like its not even there |
| 19:19.55 | jair | I see I will try to boot from the newer kernel then instead of the trunk one |
| 19:20.13 | Yamakiri | r0nin: uhm it said Destination 192.168.1.7 Gateway 0.0.0.0 Genmaskl 255.255.255.255 Flags UH Metric 0 Ref 0 Use 0 Iface vnet0 and the nameserver was 192.168.1.1 |
| 19:20.17 | Yamakiri | I know the nameserver is right |
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| 19:20.34 | Yamakiri | but the router doesn't show it as a client |
| 19:20.42 | jair | restarting the server |
| 19:20.51 | valdyn | Yamakiri: routers dont know their clients |
| 19:20.56 | Yamakiri | although the router shows that connection three is active by a light |
| 19:20.59 | valdyn | Yamakiri: maybe you are talking about dhcp though |
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| 19:21.10 | Yamakiri | valdyn: yes that's what I meant |
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| 19:22.35 | GuySoft | hi all, it seems that my dhcpd3 deamon here disconnects computers every given time because the DHCP lease is set to: default-lease-time x; max-lease-time x; . is there a way to make it so if the computer is still connected, it does not get booted, just renews the lease? |
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| 19:25.02 | valdyn | GuySoft: those settings dont boot clients |
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| 19:25.08 | Yamakiri | valdyn, would you know what I should do? I'm pretty green to networking |
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| 19:25.25 | valdyn | Yamakiri: your client is probably not using dhcp |
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| 19:25.46 | valdyn | Yamakiri: for debugging you can try "dhclient eth0" for your interface |
| 19:26.03 | Yamakiri | thank you then |
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| 19:28.55 | Yamakiri | valdyn: I think you're right by the SOICSIFADDR: No such device eth0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device error I get |
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| 19:29.09 | valdyn | Yamakiri: i dont know your interface name |
| 19:29.14 | valdyn | Yamakiri: what is it? |
| 19:29.31 | valdyn | Yamakiri: probably vnet0 ? |
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| 19:29.38 | Yamakiri | Ohh let me check |
| 19:29.43 | Yamakiri | under ifconfig right? |
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| 19:30.22 | __gilles | hi |
| 19:30.44 | valdyn | Yamakiri: or "ifconfig -a" |
| 19:30.48 | __gilles | just wondering, i have been lended a vserver but i'm unfamiliar with the concept |
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| 19:30.58 | __gilles | can an app running in a vserver chroot itself to a subdir ? |
| 19:31.07 | abrotman | jair: oh sorry, didn't read it all, valdyn is right |
| 19:31.15 | __gilles | or does the vserver disallow that ? |
| 19:31.15 | valdyn | __gilles: a vserver is like a real server for you |
| 19:31.19 | Yamakiri | valdyn: I see venet0 and vmbr0 |
| 19:31.19 | __gilles | ok |
| 19:31.24 | __gilles | strange then :/ |
| 19:31.34 | __gilles | i have this app, it runs as root, chroots to an existing directory |
| 19:31.42 | __gilles | but fails with a "file or directory not found" |
| 19:31.43 | valdyn | __gilles: may not be able to do some things, but in principle a "real" server could have the same restrictions |
| 19:31.57 | Yamakiri | And I'm pretty sure it's actually a venet0 and not just vnet0 |
| 19:32.01 | __gilles | ok, so it could actually very well be a limitation from the admin |
| 19:32.09 | __gilles | thanks |
| 19:32.13 | valdyn | Yamakiri: sure, i have no idea about your interface name |
| 19:32.24 | __gilles | got to setup a linux in a vmware then :) |
| 19:32.31 | jair | abrotman: this is where I am right now =>http://i45.tinypic.com/1ywrkh.png |
| 19:32.53 | Yamakiri | so I just do dhclient venet0 instead? |
| 19:33.00 | valdyn | Yamakiri: yes |
| 19:34.26 | DexterF | how can I repackage a compiled deb-src again without recompiling the whole package? |
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| 19:35.06 | jordanm | DexterF: using dpkg-source |
| 19:37.09 | jair | abrotman: now I see this ===> http://i47.tinypic.com/15hcw79.png |
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| 19:37.48 | Yamakiri | valdyn, both venet0 and vmbr0 say DHCPDISCOVER on [whichever] to 255.255.255.255 port 67 intervals 5... 11... 17... etc then No DHCPOFFERS received |
| 19:38.13 | jordanm | jair: is that drive NFS or something? |
| 19:38.18 | jair | valdyn: http://i47.tinypic.com/15hcw79.png this is a brand new server, what should I do re create the raid disk? |
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| 19:38.42 | jair | jordanm: nope this is a local sas drives |
| 19:39.05 | jordanm | and you're running testing? |
| 19:39.16 | jair | jordanm: raid 5 I will take a look at the raid utility make sure is configured the way it suppouse to... |
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| 19:39.33 | jair | jordanm: this is all testing yes, I can do whatever with the server |
| 19:39.55 | jordanm | not in production I hope |
| 19:40.05 | jair | so it looks like there is an offline device... is this the virtual disk? raid 5? |
| 19:40.12 | jair | jordanm: nope |
| 19:40.20 | jair | jordanm: it is for development |
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| 19:41.21 | jordanm | jair: my assumption is that is actually a hardware issue |
| 19:41.39 | samad909 | Hey, I have multiple IPs on a server, I want to assign one IP for every user ie all the traffic from that user goes through that IP address, how do I setup iptables for this? |
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| 19:42.40 | jordanm | samad909: AFAIK, you would need to give them openvz containers or something |
| 19:42.57 | factor | does debian have a backports repository? |
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| 19:43.03 | jair | jordanm: but this is a brand new xseries 3850 m2 and I am accessing the system using a RSAII card and the logs indicate everything working well |
| 19:43.06 | samad909 | jordnam: I found a way to do it from iptables but I do not know if it will work |
| 19:43.26 | samad909 | iptables -t mangle -A OUTPUT -m owner --uid-owner 500 -j MARK --set-mark 100 |
| 19:43.27 | samad909 | iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -m mark --mark 910 -j SNAT --to-source 135.135.135.1 |
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| 19:43.37 | samad909 | jordanm: will that work? |
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| 19:44.43 | jordanm | samad909: #netfilter |
| 19:44.46 | samad909 | thanks |
| 19:45.53 | DexterF | jordanm: um, that packs and extracts src-debs - I already ran debuild over the deb and just want to up the version number, so the src is already compiled, I need to pack it once again into a binary deb |
| 19:46.00 | DexterF | dpkg-deb rather? |
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| 19:47.34 | jair | jordanm: I am going to reconfigure the raid, the server is not indicating any LED error on the RSAII or externally |
| 19:47.49 | dondelelcaro | DexterF: if you want to change the version number, rebuild the package. |
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| 19:48.12 | DexterF | dondelelcaro: can I just rerun debuild? |
| 19:48.16 | dondelelcaro | (there are other ways of doing it using dpkg-deb and directly modifying DEBIAN/control) |
| 19:48.31 | dondelelcaro | DexterF: debuild builds packages; that's what it does |
| 19:48.52 | dondelelcaro | DexterF: but first you need to use dch or similar to increment the version number |
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| 19:49.27 | DexterF | (jeez I liked slackwares simplicity...) |
| 19:49.41 | DexterF | dondelelcaro: do I need to .. clean the src dir somehow? |
| 19:49.49 | dondelelcaro | DexterF: no, that's all done for you |
| 19:50.07 | DexterF | k |
| 19:50.07 | dondelelcaro | it's pretty simple, actually... debuild is just a wrapper |
| 19:50.16 | dondelelcaro | (one that I don't even use, actually) |
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| 19:52.02 | DexterF | well, I never found a good newbie tutorial on building debs so I pretty much stick to what I find on some examples. debuild worked ok, I wouldn't even know how else to package the deb... |
| 19:52.15 | dondelelcaro | !nm guide |
| 19:52.15 | dpkg | The New Maintainer's Guide (http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/), Developer's Reference and Policy document how packages should be made and how they should interact with each other. Ask me about <package basics>, <mentors>, <policy>, <best practices> or see http://www.debian.org/devel/ http://women.debian.org/wiki/English/BuildingWithoutHelper |
| 19:52.19 | dondelelcaro | DexterF: see above |
| 19:52.52 | DexterF | the maintainer guide is maximum overkillish when all you want to do is compile some src for yourself |
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| 19:53.18 | dondelelcaro | DexterF: the new maintainer guide is pretty dang simple, and explains the entire process... |
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| 19:53.50 | DexterF | I tried a couple of times to read it top down but eventually ran out of time. plus it is annoyingly boring and loses itself in way too much detail. |
| 19:53.51 | dondelelcaro | DexterF: see http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ch-build.en.html if all you care about is building a package, for example |
| 19:54.27 | Wicked | DexterF, on ubuntu ive used checkinstall to build some small things for myself...used it for about a year without issues. |
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| 19:54.56 | dondelelcaro | yuck |
| 19:54.57 | Wicked | DexterF, you would do ./configure then make...then instead of make install runsomething like this: |
| 19:54.59 | Wicked | checkinstall --fstrans=no --install=yes --pkgname=x264 --pkgversion "1:0.svn`date +%Y%m%d`-0.0ubuntu1" --maintainer "$USER" --default --pakdir "/home/mike/Compiled-Applications/BuiltDebs" |
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| 19:55.14 | JordiGH | I'm using exim4 to send email from a flakey connection, and it sometimes fails to look up a hostname. Will it retry, can I ask it to retry? |
| 19:55.14 | Wicked | but ya.....checkinstall is not really recomended |
| 19:55.24 | Wicked | but it did work for me...and it was easy to use |
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| 19:55.30 | dondelelcaro | JordiGH: yes, it'll retry |
| 19:55.42 | JordiGH | How can I config how often it'll retry? |
| 19:55.51 | JordiGH | greps the config files. |
| 19:55.58 | DexterF | Wicked: checkinstall will mess with dependencies, won't it? |
| 19:56.08 | dondelelcaro | JordiGH: it has a fall back, where it tries fairly frequently to start, then back to every few hours |
| 19:56.14 | Wicked | all depends on what your building. |
| 19:56.15 | dondelelcaro | but I don't remember the defaults |
| 19:56.25 | dondelelcaro | DexterF: you shouldn't use checkinstall, pretty much ever. |
| 19:56.31 | dondelelcaro | certainly never for something that Debian actually packages |
| 19:56.32 | Wicked | DexterF, its pretty configurable...have a look at the docs.. |
| 19:56.38 | DexterF | dondelelcaro: don't hear that for the first time |
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| 19:56.51 | JordiGH | Is checkinstall unmaintained? |
| 19:56.58 | Wicked | but yea checkinstall can cause issues(from what i hear) |
| 19:57.06 | Yamakiri | valdyn, is there anything I can do to make my server connect correctly to my router then? |
| 19:57.09 | Wicked | but in my case...it did not. |
| 19:57.20 | JordiGH | How can I see what's in exim4's retry queue? |
| 19:57.43 | JordiGH | /var/spool/exim4 ? |
| 19:57.53 | dondelelcaro | JordiGH: I think exim4's /usr/lib/sendmail accept's the -bp option |
| 19:58.08 | dondelelcaro | s/t's/t/ |
| 19:58.14 | jordanm | JordiGH: `mailq` or `exim4 -bp` |
| 19:58.30 | qwd | I read a post http://blog.kov.eti.br/?p=113 about how Epiphany will have support for WebM (http://tech.slashdot.org/story/10/05/19/1753233/). Does Iceweasel also use the GStreamer framework or do we have to wait for Firefox 4 to view these videos? |
| 19:58.43 | dondelelcaro | qwd: yes, it will eventually |
| 19:58.51 | JordiGH | Ah, nice. I take it the times at the beginning of mailq are how long until it retries. |
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| 19:59.39 | JordiGH | No, it's how long since last retry, hm. |
| 20:00.02 | jordanm | JordiGH: /etc/exim4/conf.d/retry/* |
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| 20:00.12 | jordanm | assuming a split-config file setup |
| 20:00.30 | crazygir | is there a way to force dig to request its DNS server retrieve an update, as opposed to use the cache? |
| 20:01.02 | abrotman | can't you query the original dns server? |
| 20:01.14 | crazygir | how do you mean? |
| 20:01.20 | jordanm | what cache? |
| 20:01.30 | crazygir | either mine (locally) or my DNS server's |
| 20:01.55 | crazygir | I'd like to ensure I'm getting a fresh lookup for this fqdn query |
| 20:01.56 | dondelelcaro | crazygir: no, there's no way to force a remote DNS server to do that |
| 20:02.05 | crazygir | k |
| 20:02.13 | jordanm | crazygir: query a NS for that domain directly |
| 20:02.26 | crazygir | jordanm: I have, but ff doesn't listen |
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| 20:02.37 | qwd | dondelelcaro: Iceweasel 3 will play or Iceweasel will use gstreamer? |
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| 20:02.59 | jordanm | crazygir: ff? |
| 20:03.03 | crazygir | firefox |
| 20:03.04 | crazygir | sorry |
| 20:03.18 | dondelelcaro | qwd: Iceweasel will eventually support it, yes; it'll use whatever method that firefox settles on |
| 20:03.22 | jordanm | well, unlike dig, you don't specify a nameserver for a single lookup in ff |
| 20:03.23 | JordiGH | You mean Iceweasel? ;) |
| 20:03.40 | crazygir | jordanm: right, it's using our local cache |
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| 20:04.09 | dondelelcaro | (Iceweasel *is* basically firefox; the only difference is the name, logos, and some very minor patches) |
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| 20:05.16 | jordanm | crazygir: AFAIK, no dns caching occurs on your local machine unless you install something like dnscache |
| 20:06.00 | jordanm | your local nameserver will however, and there isn't anything you can do about it. you can work-around the problem using your hosts file though |
| 20:06.08 | crazygir | mmm |
| 20:06.12 | JordiGH | dondelelcaro: Whatever, it's called Moongazelle right now on this machine. |
| 20:06.15 | crazygir | that's a good point! |
| 20:06.17 | crazygir | :) |
| 20:06.57 | JordiGH | I'm also really happy they finally closed my Iceweasel bug to add a new entry in the Book of Mozilla. |
| 20:07.56 | babilen | crazygir: Or you can just change your nameserver in /etc/resolv.conf to a different one - or contact the website by its IP ... |
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| 20:10.59 | __gilles | is there a way to display in top output what the process is doing ? |
| 20:11.19 | __gilles | ie: figure out if it's blocking on i/o, select, whatever |
| 20:11.28 | michalxo | start process from terminal |
| 20:11.48 | michalxo | or try to debug it via gdb |
| 20:11.50 | michalxo | !gdb |
| 20:11.50 | dpkg | [gdb] gnu debugger |
| 20:12.51 | __gilles | ? |
| 20:12.55 | __gilles | i know gdb :) |
| 20:13.25 | __gilles | mh maybe i'm not explaining correctly |
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| 20:14.04 | __gilles | here's an example: |
| 20:14.06 | __gilles | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:14.07 | __gilles | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:14.07 | __gilles | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:14.15 | babilen | __gilles: You could run it with strace .. |
| 20:14.22 | jordanm | __gilles: strace -p 971 |
| 20:14.28 | __gilles | on BSD's top i can figure out that irssi is blocking on poll |
| 20:14.53 | __gilles | mh strace, will install that thanks |
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| 20:23.37 | karter | what is the point of doing an md5("username:password:timestamp") ? |
| 20:24.00 | karter | from what I understand, its going to be very hard to use that in any meaningful way, true ? |
| 20:24.10 | jordanm | that question seems to lack context |
| 20:24.12 | karter | as opposed to md5("username:password") |
| 20:24.17 | karter | the context is security |
| 20:24.48 | babilen | karter: What are you trying to do? |
| 20:25.03 | karter | i am trying to understand a document and why they would need something like that |
| 20:25.11 | jordanm | karter: maybe you wanted #openssl? |
| 20:25.48 | karter | ok |
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| 20:29.19 | crzedmonk | anyone here able to help me with a flash plugin issue in ice weasel |
| 20:29.22 | crzedmonk | thanks in advanced |
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| 20:29.37 | cwillu_at_work | karter, sounds like they're using the timestamp as a salt |
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| 20:30.09 | cwillu_at_work | karter, i.e., to prevent against somebody coming up with a precomputed table of root passwords |
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| 20:31.00 | karter | from the way salts are computed, if I make an md5 hash out of ('x:y:timestamp') - there is no way to isolate the timestamp |
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| 20:31.44 | michalxo | crzedmonk ? |
| 20:31.54 | michalxo | more info? |
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| 20:33.20 | crzedmonk | michalxo: I can't get flash to work in my webbrowser I have searched throgh several forums to no luck as of yet. I installed the non free flash and updated from terminal |
| 20:33.26 | crzedmonk | I get sound but no video |
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| 20:35.08 | michalxo | crzedmonk use google chrome for a moment :-)) |
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| 20:35.45 | crzedmonk | ok one sec I will install it |
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| 20:36.32 | michalxo | crzedmonk I never had such a problem with flash :-( ... hmm.. maybe yes |
| 20:36.37 | michalxo | what debian are you running? |
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| 20:37.34 | crzedmonk | lenny |
| 20:37.42 | babilen | and how did you install the flash player? is it listed in about:plugins ? |
| 20:38.27 | cognitiaclaeves | I need to put up a lenny server that will do nothing but NTP. Anyone have an idea how little disk space I can get away with allocating for a server that undergoes regular maintenance? |
| 20:38.28 | crzedmonk | terminal |
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| 20:38.44 | crzedmonk | and snaptic |
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| 20:39.18 | babilen | crzedmonk: Can you provide more details please? I doubt that you sat in front of your computer and said "terminal" and it automatically did the-right-thing. Where did you install it from? |
| 20:39.33 | crzedmonk | aptitude install |
| 20:39.34 | babilen | crzedmonk: Which package? From which repsoitory? |
| 20:39.39 | crzedmonk | one sec |
| 20:39.41 | craigevil | crzedmonk: type about:plugins in the iceweasel url bar, is Flash listed there |
| 20:39.53 | crzedmonk | aptitude install flashplugin-nonfree-extrasound |
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| 20:40.42 | craigevil | crzedmonk: if your running lenny instal it from backports, add the backports repo, aptitude update, aptitude -t lenny-backports install flashplugin-nonfree |
| 20:40.45 | babilen | !tell crzedmonk about adobe flash |
| 20:40.53 | babilen | !tell crzedmonk about bpo |
| 20:41.19 | crzedmonk | babilen: stop spamming me with robo pms please |
| 20:41.20 | crzedmonk | thank you |
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| 20:41.53 | babilen | follow the advice dpkg and craigevil gave you - the package you installed is actuall .... OK |
| 20:41.54 | do0ob | hi |
| 20:42.03 | babilen | crzedmonk: good luck then |
| 20:42.16 | crzedmonk | babilen: I will need it |
| 20:42.17 | crzedmonk | lol |
| 20:42.37 | do0ob | whats the thing that allows a debian system without networking to use another system to download packages so that i can install them on the system without a network? |
| 20:43.06 | babilen | do0ob: apt-offline/apt-zip for example |
| 20:43.13 | do0ob | thanks |
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| 20:43.50 | babilen | do0ob: apt-walkabout as well (why do I always forget about that one?) |
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| 20:44.08 | crzedmonk | Where is the mozzila folder? |
| 20:44.23 | Vroomfondle | ~/.mozilla |
| 20:44.24 | Vroomfondle | usually |
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| 20:44.50 | crzedmonk | found it |
| 20:44.52 | crzedmonk | thank you |
| 20:45.18 | babilen | wonders what crzedmonk is up to |
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| 20:45.43 | crzedmonk | babilen: I was just going to see if there was a folder with plugins maybe the .so was not in there |
| 20:45.46 | crzedmonk | worth a try |
| 20:46.55 | babilen | crzedmonk: You have all the information you need by now - you did not want to read it though :-\ |
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| 20:47.37 | crzedmonk | babilen: What makes you think I didnt read it? |
| 20:50.01 | crzedmonk | !tell crzedmonk about bpo |
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| 20:50.18 | crzedmonk | !tell crzedmonk about bpo |
| 20:50.21 | crzedmonk | !tell crzedmonk about bpo |
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| 20:51.34 | [Jasper] | hej guys, anyone here who knows something about routing and ip announcing? |
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| 20:57.54 | laurus | When I run sudo powertop, I see: 34.3% ( inf) <kernel core> : hrtimer_start_range_ns (tick_sched_timer) as the top line. How do I fix this problem? |
| 20:58.03 | obreiro | hi people! |
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| 20:58.24 | Kamshak | A question: How do i make bind9 recreate the default config files? I have reinstalled it thrice but it doesnt work :S Also built it from the sources but still no change ;( |
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| 21:09.18 | llanero | Kamshak: dpkg reconf? |
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| 21:12.03 | valdyn | !confmiss |
| 21:12.03 | dpkg | The reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>; |
| 21:12.06 | valdyn | Kamshak: ^^ |
| 21:12.44 | Kamshak | thanks :D |
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| 21:13.16 | MrTorque | hi. i set up postfix, dovecote and squirrelmail. I am able to send and receive mail via squirrel, but only receive with outlook. How can i send mails with outlook? |
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| 21:13.45 | jhutchins_lt | MrTorque: Have it submit directly to postfix. |
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| 21:14.04 | valdyn | MrTorque: obviously by configuring postfix properly |
| 21:14.29 | valdyn | MrTorque: the postfix log will probably show a hint as to why its not relying your outlook mail |
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| 21:16.54 | MrTorque | valdyn: i looked at /var/mail.info and found: unable to open Berkeley db /etc/sasldb2 |
| 21:17.55 | valdyn | MrTorque: theres no /var/log/postfix* ? |
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| 21:19.15 | jelly-home | postfix logs via mail.* syslog facility |
| 21:19.23 | jelly-home | so /var/log/mail.log |
| 21:19.31 | MrTorque | valdyn: nope. |
| 21:19.47 | valdyn | MrTorque: start with the error that outlook gives then |
| 21:20.09 | MrTorque | valdyn: hehe, i missed the entry: smtpd_sasl_type = dovecot and smtpd_sasl_path = private/auth in /etc/postfix/main.cf |
| 21:20.14 | amgarchIn9 | Hi, how do you do aptitude update && aptitude safe-upgrade in an unattended batch mode? |
| 21:20.16 | MrTorque | valdyn: now it wokrs! |
| 21:20.26 | MrTorque | s/wokrs/works |
| 21:20.27 | MrTorque | thanks! |
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| 21:21.23 | valdyn | amgarchIn9: on which release? in which situation? |
| 21:22.09 | amgarchIn9 | valdyn: debian lenny, I have ~20 machines to upgrade from 5.0.3 to 5.04 |
| 21:23.01 | valdyn | amgarchIn9: look at how cron-apt does it |
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| 21:25.26 | User_007 | Hello, i am on lenny netinstall shell, i am trying to install it using a pendrive. I can't mount an image iso as cdrom? |
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| 21:25.34 | valdyn | amgarchIn9: ( probably -y is sufficient ) |
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| 21:26.42 | Bushmills | User_007: -o loop |
| 21:26.42 | amgarchIn9 | thanks for hints, let me see |
| 21:28.09 | Bennit | hi |
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| 21:28.24 | Bennit | is there a log of all incomming connections somewhere? |
| 21:28.36 | valdyn | Bennit: no |
| 21:28.39 | Bennit | like what connection came in from what ip |
| 21:28.49 | Bushmills | Bennit: you can log those with iptables |
| 21:28.57 | Bennit | any tools which could do this for a certain given port? |
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| 21:29.13 | Bushmills | but you got to instruct iptables to do that yourself |
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| 21:29.55 | Bennit | as in monitor a certain port |
| 21:30.02 | Bushmills | right |
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| 21:30.25 | Bennit | iptables can log things i see in the manpage but don't really see an option to state which port |
| 21:30.36 | Bushmills | then look at the man page again |
| 21:30.45 | Bennit | try#2 |
| 21:31.16 | Bushmills | you could man iptables | grep port |
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| 21:32.06 | hochron | does anyone here know clamav or f-prot?? I'm not getting any answers in ##security |
| 21:32.23 | Bennit | i think netstat is more what I want :) |
| 21:32.45 | Bushmills | hochron: did you ask there "does anyone know clamav or f-prot"? |
| 21:33.11 | hochron | I was suggested to use it Bushmills |
| 21:33.44 | Bushmills | and when you asked that, nobody answered? |
| 21:34.12 | hochron | I cant get it to scan windows |
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| 21:34.26 | hochron | either one |
| 21:34.51 | Bushmills | maybe they are still waiting there, on ##security, that you actually ask your question |
| 21:35.53 | amgarchIn9 | still puzzling. How comes "ssh host1 ldd /home/user/bin/exe" says some shared libs are "not found". But doing first "ssh host1" and then "ldd /home/user/bin/exe" finds them? |
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| 21:36.57 | hochron | I did |
| 21:37.46 | Bushmills | but instead that somebody replied "yes, i know those", nobody replied? |
| 21:38.18 | Bushmills | i would go right back and accuse them of being liers. |
| 21:39.44 | jhutchins_lt | amgarchIn9: Libs aren't in the path unless you log in. |
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| 21:41.53 | Smirnov | im trying to write a bash script to test if a package is installed, with dpkg -l pkgname, trouble is if you install it with apt-get then remove it with apt-get, dpkg -l returns an entry (whereas before it would say No package found) with a blank version |
| 21:42.01 | Smirnov | how would i test it |
| 21:42.30 | amgarchIn9 | Judas_PhD: I have a file in /etc/profile.d/settings.sh that sets LD_LIBRARAY_PATH, and I see it set after login. |
| 21:42.31 | Bushmills | Smirnov: there are more than one level of "being installed" |
| 21:42.51 | Bushmills | apt-get remove doesn't remove a package completely |
| 21:43.16 | Bushmills | thus, what do you try to determine? what should your test return as result? |
| 21:43.20 | amgarchIn9 | but "ssh host1 env" show only a minimum, no LD_LIBRARAY_PATH, for example |
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| 21:45.09 | amgarchIn9 | so I have additionally put the library search path into /etc/ld.so.conf.d/dirlist.conf. The strange thing it works *almost* everywhere but on two machines ... |
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| 21:46.07 | jelly-home | amgarchIn9: to cut things short, you need to put your environment variables in a place where even non-login shells will use them. And if you really want all processes to use that library path for the dynamic linker, put it in ld.so.conf and don't forget to run ldconfig |
| 21:46.37 | jelly-home | (instead of ld.so.conf, that *.d/ directory works fine) |
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| 21:47.27 | jelly-home | didn't even know there was an /etc/profile.d/ |
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| 21:47.55 | jelly-home | amgarchIn9: which debian release are you using? |
| 21:48.00 | amgarchIn9 | they are there, /etc/ld.so.conf.d/intel.conf |
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| 21:48.34 | amgarchIn9 | jelly-home: right there is was no /etc/profile.d I've stolen it from ubuntu. |
| 21:48.56 | User_007 | i need help with lenny netinstall i386 |
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| 21:50.24 | jelly-home | amgarchIn9: if I asked you to paste the output of dpkg -l libc6 libc-bin bash | tail -3, would it show versions of packages from a distro other than debian? |
| 21:50.34 | amgarchIn9 | of course, it "ldconfig" made it work. Does one always need to manually do "ldconfig"? Will reboot do it? |
| 21:51.29 | jelly-home | amgarchIn9: one needs to run it after changing ld.so's configuration, and adding or removing libraries in the path |
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| 21:51.52 | jelly-home | amgarchIn9: read ld.so(8) |
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| 21:53.42 | amgarchIn9 | jelly-home: thanks! I dont remember always doing "ldconfig" after these customizations, but it worked on all but two most recently installed machines. |
| 21:54.14 | Mosselmaniac | hi all. i'm running a debian server here, connected to my router. i suppose it gets IP with DHCP, and I don't have it running it all the time. The problem is, it gets a different IP each time i boot him i suspect.... its currently .15, yesterday it was .22. It's running a webserver, and i want to connect with it using SCP, so i definitly need it to have the same IP. but i'm a total noob with this, I have only acces (root) to the c |
| 21:54.23 | amgarchIn9 | They were probably waiting for the next upgrade with post-install ldconfig. |
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| 21:55.07 | Mosselmaniac | if i do ifconfig eth0 i see it has .15 now. |
| 21:55.29 | amgarchIn9 | Mosselmaniac: you would need access to the DHCP server that distributes those IPs. |
| 21:55.35 | jelly-home | Mosselmaniac: you'll have to either configure static ips, or configure your dhcp server to always give the same ip to your server's MAC address |
| 21:55.57 | Mosselmaniac | oh this doesn't have anything to do with the server itself? |
| 21:56.24 | jelly-home | Mosselmaniac: the first option means configuration on the server; the second doesn't |
| 21:56.32 | Mosselmaniac | on the server please ;) |
| 21:56.45 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell Mosselmaniac about interfaces |
| 21:56.49 | Mosselmaniac | in windows you can setup with 3 clicks in the config screen :) |
| 21:56.58 | jelly-home | use windows, then! |
| 21:57.23 | Mosselmaniac | not possible now. |
| 21:57.33 | Mosselmaniac | i'm not saying its better. i only say that i know how to do it there. |
| 21:57.51 | Mosselmaniac | thanks for info :) there is no ready to go command or something? |
| 21:57.59 | Bushmills | Mosselmaniac: in debian, you can do it with zero clicks |
| 21:58.21 | jelly-home | Mosselmaniac: the ready to go command is your editor, and access to root account |
| 21:58.22 | Mosselmaniac | lol ;) |
| 21:58.35 | jelly-home | no mice need be involved |
| 21:58.37 | Mosselmaniac | jelly-home got them both :) |
| 21:58.46 | jelly-home | Mosselmaniac: then you're ready |
| 21:58.58 | Mosselmaniac | jelly-home but i need to type something that i don't know (yet0 |
| 21:59.21 | jelly-home | Mosselmaniac: dpkg, the bot, should have mentioned some pointers in a private mesage |
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| 21:59.43 | Mosselmaniac | yeah, thanks |
| 21:59.45 | Mosselmaniac | i can do this :) |
| 21:59.53 | Bushmills | Mosselmaniac: http://docs.verhau.de/cgi-bin/dwww/usr/share/man/man5/interfaces.5.gz?type=man |
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| 22:00.00 | jelly-home | of course, it's not rocket science ;-) |
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| 22:00.02 | Mosselmaniac | i was right about dhcp :) i will make it static. |
| 22:00.07 | Mosselmaniac | just like eth1 is configure |
| 22:00.39 | jelly-home | one tip: first do ifdown eth0 while it's still configured as dhcp; then edit and ifup eth0 |
| 22:01.04 | jelly-home | else you'll be left with a stray dhcp client process which may bite you in the ass |
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| 22:02.23 | jelly-home | or make sure you kill any leftover "dhclient", "dhclient3", "pump" or similar suspicious dhcp-related process |
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| 22:03.28 | Mosselmaniac | wished i read that earlier |
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| 22:03.55 | jelly-home | it's no bid deal, you'll find a process in eg. "ps -fe" output, then kill its PID |
| 22:04.09 | jelly-home | big* |
| 22:04.43 | jelly-home | it will also not appear back after a reboot if you're comfortable solving things the wrong way |
| 22:05.08 | Mosselmaniac | hmm ip changes :P |
| 22:05.18 | Mosselmaniac | amazing |
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| 22:06.23 | Mosselmaniac | yes, it works jelly-home! thanks |
| 22:06.30 | Mosselmaniac | that was easy |
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| 22:06.45 | Mosselmaniac | i wonder if scp is doable too ;) |
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| 22:06.51 | jelly-home | Mosselmaniac: it's probably not exactly the same as eth1, in that on the primary interface you'll probably have a "gateway" line that won't be present on other i'faces |
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| 22:07.22 | Mosselmaniac | jelly-home i'm clueless, but it works now. |
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| 22:07.36 | jelly-home | well then. |
| 22:07.51 | Mosselmaniac | I want to edit source code, but dont want to do it in VI, so that's why i need winSCP to connect to the machine, down-and upload sources. |
| 22:08.38 | Mosselmaniac | now i have the choise of FTP, SFTP and SCP. i chose SCP, but not sure. it works |
| 22:08.38 | beefcube | does anyone else have an issue with squeeze/lenny trac not logging at all? |
| 22:08.38 | Mosselmaniac | wowwwwww what happens? |
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| 22:08.50 | amgarchIn9 | Mosselmaniac: why didnt you try to "scp" to the IP of "eth0"? |
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| 22:09.11 | Hazel | is there any channel for the Debian/kfreebsd operative system? |
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| 22:09.30 | Mosselmaniac | amgarchIn9, i did? |
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| 22:09.47 | Mosselmaniac | from my windows laptop? |
| 22:09.50 | jelly-home | !kfreebsd |
| 22:09.50 | dpkg | Debian GNU/kFreeBSD is a port that consists of GNU userland using the GNU C library on top of FreeBSD's kernel, coupled with the regular Debian package set. It is a Debian Squeeze release goal for kfreebsd-amd64 and kfreebsd-i386 to become release architectures. http://www.debian.org/ports/kfreebsd-gnu/ http://glibc-bsd.alioth.debian.org/doc/ http://wiki.debian.org/Debian_GNU/kFreeBSD #debian-kbsd on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 22:10.22 | jelly-home | Hazel: note, it's on a different irc network |
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| 22:10.33 | Mosselmaniac | the most stupid question ever |
| 22:10.33 | Hazel | ok |
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| 22:10.48 | Mosselmaniac | shutdown that server? pressing the powerdown button? or type exit or something? |
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| 22:10.57 | jelly-home | Mosselmaniac: "poweroff" works |
| 22:10.58 | Mosselmaniac | cause i'm afraid of suddenly closing processes or something :-/ |
| 22:11.02 | Smirnov | Bushmills: umm i just want to install the package with apt-get install if its not there already |
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| 22:11.18 | Mosselmaniac | jelly-home, is that better then pushing powerbutton? |
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| 22:11.20 | Smirnov | Bushmills: but i want to avoid spamming the script im writing with apt's package is already is installed |
| 22:11.27 | Bushmills | try something alone the line of: dpkg-query -s $package 2>1 > /dev/null && echo installed || echo not installed |
| 22:11.28 | jelly-home | Mosselmaniac: yes |
| 22:11.38 | Mosselmaniac | k thx sir. |
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| 22:12.30 | Bushmills | along ... |
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| 22:12.48 | themill | !installed test |
| 22:12.48 | dpkg | To test in a script if a package is installed, you can: if dpkg -l $package 2>/dev/null | grep -q ^.i; then echo yes; fi or if [[ $(dpkg-query -f'${Status}' --show $package 2>/dev/null) = *\ installed ]]; then echo yes; fi. Note that both of these will match package that are currently installed but scheduled for removal. See man dpkg for more details. |
| 22:13.05 | Bushmills | though you could simply apt-get install the package. if it is already, nothing will happen. it may be upgraded though. |
| 22:13.28 | jelly-home | Mosselmaniac: pressing the powerbutton once may not work, as it's functionality that depends on optional packages (acpi support can be not installed). And powering off forcefully isn't smart in any OS |
| 22:13.34 | Bushmills | ehm... aptitude is suggested nowadays |
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| 22:14.58 | themill | Smirnov: you can also just use aptitude's --schedule-only option to queue up a set of package installation/deinstallation tasks and then run them all at the end of the script (that speeds things up a lot) |
| 22:15.02 | Mosselmaniac | amazing everything works. |
| 22:15.39 | Mosselmaniac | jelly-home, i thought the poweroff triggers some process that was just politly killing all processes before shutting down. i saw a demo but wasn't sure. |
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| 22:16.25 | jelly-home | Mosselmaniac: it does trigger shutdown procedures for services as it's started |
| 22:17.49 | Mosselmaniac | last project for today, trying to access the ldap service with a ldap client. JExplorer was recommended. |
| 22:18.14 | Smirnov | themill: oh nice didnt know about that thx |
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| 22:19.26 | Mosselmaniac | any ldap experience jelly? |
| 22:19.36 | Smirnov | Bushmills: i tried that, doesnt work |
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| 22:20.03 | jelly-home | Mosselmaniac: I can get some if you're paying well |
| 22:20.15 | themill | Bushmills: dpkg-query doesn't have an exit status that reflects installed/not installed status |
| 22:20.27 | Mosselmaniac | jelly-home, lol i just tried to be nice ;) |
| 22:20.40 | jelly-home | Mosselmaniac: doesn't hurt to ask! |
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| 22:20.51 | Mosselmaniac | bah, jexplorer installer is hanging :( |
| 22:21.00 | Smirnov | so what i should just always schedule an aptitude install then ? |
| 22:21.11 | Bushmills | themill: then it is rather bizarre that it produces the correct output for both kind of programs here. |
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| 22:22.54 | Bushmills | themill: http://scarydevilmonastery.net/snap/1274394153649639800d.png |
| 22:23.28 | Smirnov | try apt-get install and thhen apt-get remove |
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| 22:24.01 | Bushmills | (23:42:31) Bushmills: Smirnov: there are more than one level of "being installed" |
| 22:24.01 | Bushmills | (23:42:51) Bushmills: apt-get remove doesn't remove a package completely |
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| 22:24.33 | Smirnov | well how do i query for the "actually installed" level of installed |
| 22:25.05 | richard_ | Afaik the only difference between `purge' and `remove' is the former removes any config files, the latter does not. |
| 22:25.19 | themill | Smirnov: see what dpkg said earlier about "installed test" |
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| 22:25.55 | linhis | i want to install banshee 1.6 on my debian lenny |
| 22:26.05 | linhis | which is not in the repo |
| 22:26.08 | Smirnov | themill: oh i didnt see that since my name wasnt hilighted, thx |
| 22:26.17 | Bushmills | richard_: incorrect. other differences is that the installation status of a package, such as for example reported by dpkg -l, is also displayed differently. |
| 22:26.25 | Mosselmaniac | bah. |
| 22:26.30 | linhis | wen i try to cmpile it from gz2 source |
| 22:26.39 | linhis | it throws up a lot od dependencies |
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| 22:26.51 | ysph | hello, can you guys think of any reason why something would be listening on 127.0.0.1:25 tcp? i can't track it down to a particular process |
| 22:27.00 | themill | Bushmills: a purged package will still be listed as "installed" by your test of exit status. |
| 22:27.02 | richard_ | Bushmills, Oh, what statuses are there? |
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| 22:27.08 | Mosselmaniac | ysph: subversion? |
| 22:27.23 | Mosselmaniac | ysph: bah, i tried a joke. i ought to say: subseven :P |
| 22:27.24 | j0nnY | ysph: have you tried lsof ? |
| 22:27.32 | Bushmills | un vs rc vs ii. there are more, but those are common |
| 22:27.58 | ysph | j0nnY: yes, lsof -i :25 returns nothing |
| 22:28.04 | richard_ | Bushmills, Ahh thanks, I didn't know that. |
| 22:28.35 | wols_ | ysph: as root, netstat -ano |grep 25. it's your MTA btw. usually exim |
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| 22:28.42 | Bushmills | richard_: man page of dpkg tells what other states are possible |
| 22:28.57 | richard_ | nods |
| 22:28.59 | richard_ | I'll check it out. |
| 22:29.08 | ysph | wols_: you're right, it is exim, thanks |
| 22:29.11 | linhis | i want to install banshee 1.6 on my debian lenny which is not in the repo. wen i try to cmpile it from gz2 source, it throws up a lot od dependencies. Any way out ?? |
| 22:29.39 | wols_ | !tell linhis about ssb |
| 22:30.31 | Guest47365 | Oh lord. |
| 22:31.18 | linhis | !ssb |
| 22:31.18 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old |
| 22:31.37 | themill | or alternatively you could spew it to the channel rather than reading your pm |
| 22:31.42 | themill | thinks we need a "not-so-simple-sid-backport" factoid too |
| 22:33.53 | linhis | !backports |
| 22:33.54 | dpkg | methinks backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.org/ . Ask me about <backports.org> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
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| 22:34.17 | Mosselmaniac | downloaded an older version. whatever. |
| 22:34.27 | wols_ | !tell linhis about msgthebot |
| 22:34.32 | wols_ | linhis: please don't spam the channel |
| 22:35.09 | linhis | ok |
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| 22:37.28 | PARLIAMENT | does anyone know what the deal is with http://packages.debian.org/sid/libc0.1 |
| 22:37.31 | PARLIAMENT | and http://packages.debian.org/sid/libc0.3 |
| 22:37.36 | Mosselmaniac | guys, how can i check on which ldap port the service is running? or which protocol? |
| 22:38.07 | PARLIAMENT | why did the version numbers suddenly jump down from 6.1 to 0.1 |
| 22:38.36 | PARLIAMENT | does debian use different version numberings if the package is built against a different kernel? |
| 22:38.50 | amgarchIn9 | Mosselmaniac: grep -i ldap /etc/services |
| 22:39.27 | wols_ | ,info libc0.3 |
| 22:39.28 | judd | No record of package 'libc0.3' in lenny/i386. |
| 22:39.34 | wols_ | ,info libc0.3 release sid |
| 22:39.36 | judd | (info <packagename> [--arch <i386>] [--release <lenny>]) -- Show the short description and some other brief details about a package in the specified release and architecture. By default, the current stable release and i386 are used. |
| 22:39.43 | wols_ | ,info libc0.3 --release sid |
| 22:39.45 | judd | No record of package 'libc0.3' in sid/i386. |
| 22:39.46 | themill | ,arches libc0.1 --release sid |
| 22:39.48 | judd | libc0.1 in sid: kfreebsd-amd64 (2.10.2-8); kfreebsd-i386 (2.10.2-8) |
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| 22:43.03 | Mosselmaniac | aamaaazing! thanks amgarchIn9 |
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| 22:47.28 | jelly-home | PARLIAMENT: which architecture are you looking at? |
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| 22:50.41 | Mosselmaniac | thanks for the help guys |
| 22:50.44 | Mosselmaniac | i'm off. to tired |
| 22:50.50 | PARLIAMENT | I was just looking at packages.debian.org, not looking at any output of apt |
| 22:51.00 | PARLIAMENT | for any particular arch |
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| 22:54.56 | jelly-home | those are package names, not package numbers |
| 22:55.03 | jelly-home | er... no package versions* |
| 22:55.34 | jelly-home | therefore they are more mutable ;-) |
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| 22:55.56 | jelly-home | at least versions are monotonically rising |
| 22:56.02 | jelly-home | (except for that one time) |
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| 22:56.19 | jelly-home | (which we do not mention in here) |
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| 22:56.50 | themill | PARLIAMENT: they're sonames (or soversions). Ask google about them or look at the libtool documentation and libpkg-guide. |
| 22:56.51 | japearson | Hi I was wondering if anyone could direct me to a good howto about how to build debian packages with a difference name to the source archive |
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| 23:14.49 | vallhalla | !nvidia |
| 23:14.49 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Testing users: ask me about <nvidia squeeze>. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net). |
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| 23:18.04 | japearson | !deb |
| 23:18.04 | dpkg | Debian .deb packages are a special form of <ar> archive which can be unpacked with "ar x pkg.deb". Inside the file control.tar.gz are conffiles, installation scripts, and a file "control" which contains the information shown with "apt-cache show pkg". Dependencies can be changed by editing this file. Install the dpkg-dev package and read "man 5 deb" for more details. A better plan is to see <package recompile> <source package> |
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| 23:25.38 | User_007 | guys, i have used debian installer for windows, and have put the adress to boot by lan, but it doesn't worked |
| 23:27.14 | {coolface} | Poof! |
| 23:27.14 | User_007 | please anyone help me |
| 23:28.00 | User_007 | like netboot |
| 23:28.08 | User_007 | i can't netboot |
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| 23:30.16 | jordanm | User_007: what windows installer? |
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| 23:30.41 | User_007 | lenny CD have a windows installer for debian |
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| 23:56.15 | voed | how to have a look at the packages currently installed. and how to delete all the packages except those, that are needed to run the kernel and boot OS. ?? |
| 23:56.36 | Bushmills | dpkg -l |
| 23:56.36 | dpkg | Bushmills: are you using Windows? |
| 23:56.44 | voed | Bushmills: nope, debian. |
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| 23:57.36 | Bushmills | "delete all except those installed" is technically a no operation, right? |
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| 23:58.18 | voed | Bushmills: I was trying to install KDE 4.2 from sid and experimental reposotories, but accidently did a "update upgrade" |
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| 23:58.47 | wols_ | voed: reinstall |
| 23:59.00 | voed | Bushmills: i meant, delete every package, except those that 're necessary for a minimal debian workstation. |
| 23:59.01 | wols_ | that is if you don't want to run sid or experimental |
| 23:59.15 | Bushmills | doesn't make a lot of sense then to remove most packages. just reinstalling sounds much simpler |
| 23:59.20 | wols_ | voed: there is no point in what you want to do |
| 23:59.38 | Bushmills | keep your /etc contents so you can easily fall back to your previous configs |
| 23:59.53 | Bushmills | keep your /home too |
| 23:59.58 | voed | wols_: how to reinstall, sorry i'm not an apt-get / aptitude user. trying to read man /? |
