| 00:00.02 | Bushmills | and /usr/local maybe |
| 00:00.13 | voed | er, man apt-get. |
| 00:00.24 | voed | i actually used fedora, so i am accustomed to yum atm. |
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| 00:01.08 | Bushmills | like when you installed debian before |
| 00:01.30 | voed | 8 hours ago. |
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| 00:01.50 | Bushmills | same again, then |
| 00:02.38 | voed | Bushmills: i tried "aptitude reinstall", The process completed without re-installing any stuff. |
| 00:02.55 | voed | Bushmills: may i know, how to view the current installed packages list? |
| 00:03.22 | Bushmills | when you installed debian 8 hours ago, you didn't do that by typing "aptitude reinstall" |
| 00:04.00 | voed | Bushmills: got the idea ;) thanks. |
| 00:04.01 | Bushmills | i told you already |
| 00:04.16 | Bushmills | (01:56:35) Bushmills: dpkg -l |
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| 00:05.56 | Bushmills | maybe you find dpkg --get-selections more readable |
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| 00:26.12 | thepro4e1er | is there an ipconfig command for debian??? |
| 00:26.43 | jordanm | thepro4e1er: ifconfig or "ip" for a more cisco-like interface |
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| 00:27.12 | thepro4e1er | ifconfig says command not found |
| 00:27.23 | jordanm | thepro4e1er: again as root |
| 00:27.37 | jordanm | or /sbin/ifconfig |
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| 00:28.12 | thepro4e1er | woah, one would think that if you didn't have access to run the command as a user it would say access denied instead of command not found |
| 00:28.22 | thepro4e1er | it worked when running as root |
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| 00:29.11 | jordanm | thepro4e1er: its not an issue of access. commands you type and run without specifying a path work because of your $PATH environment variable. because user commands do not belong in *sbin/ users do not have it in their path by default |
| 00:30.20 | jordanm | thepro4e1er: PATH=/sbin:$PATH ifconfig; as a user |
| 00:30.20 | thepro4e1er | you're a smart man |
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| 00:32.18 | Bushmills | thepro4e1er: why should a program be found and executed, if it only told that its use was denied? |
| 00:32.48 | nsadmin | right, why use ifconfig as a user when it's actually only for root? |
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| 00:33.07 | jordanm | users can use it view output... just can't make modifications |
| 00:34.04 | Bushmills | if users consider that output important enough, they are able to set it up so it executes for them |
| 00:34.07 | nsadmin | thinks two things about that... the owner's IP is none of the user's business... and, it could pose a security problem |
| 00:34.31 | jordanm | Bushmills: agreed |
| 00:35.20 | Cypriot | hi guys ... how can add a crontab which restarts a deamon every 10 min ? for example /etc/init.d/apache2 restart |
| 00:35.42 | jordanm | sounds like a poor work-around to a problem... |
| 00:35.45 | Bushmills | many programs which have not much practical value to user dilute the functionality of for example shell command completion features and such |
| 00:36.10 | abrotman | Cypriot: man 5 crontab |
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| 00:37.19 | Bushmills | Cypriot: do you try to keep apache running in case of a crash? |
| 00:37.55 | Cypriot | no apache is just an example |
| 00:38.28 | Bushmills | what cases require periodical daemon restarting? |
| 00:38.59 | Cypriot | 10 min |
| 00:39.26 | Bushmills | for keeping daemons alive, there are better options |
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| 00:39.56 | jordanm | I have seen system where upon invokation, man prompts for type when more than one is found. e.g. - crontab(1), crontab(5). anyone know anything about this? newer version of man-db? external program? |
| 00:40.11 | Cypriot | Bushmills : share me your ideas pls |
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| 00:40.32 | Bushmills | Cypriot: state your goals first |
| 00:42.17 | abrotman | i thikn i already told him ? |
| 00:42.35 | Cypriot | abrotman : reading thx |
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| 00:44.09 | Cypriot | */10 * * * * cd /etc/init.d/apache2; restart >/dev/null 2>&1 |
| 00:44.25 | Cypriot | what you think .. will it work or? |
| 00:45.04 | Bushmills | it won't |
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| 00:45.21 | jordanm | Cypriot: do that in an interactive shell and see how it works... |
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| 00:45.51 | nsadmin | Cypriot: what kind of thing is /etc/init.d/apache2? |
| 00:45.52 | strigona_ | hi |
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| 00:46.25 | Cypriot | guys am i wrong channel or something like that |
| 00:46.27 | nsadmin | Cypriot, and btw, you need unix/linux fundamentals |
| 00:46.43 | Cypriot | how u running your programs into your debian boxes? |
| 00:47.07 | Cypriot | i am using /etc/init.d/deamon stop/start/restart |
| 00:47.18 | nsadmin | Cypriot: what kind of thing is /etc/init.d/apache2? |
| 00:47.22 | Cypriot | i would like to put a crontab for that |
| 00:47.27 | jordanm | automatically using sysvinit? |
| 00:47.55 | Cypriot | ok anyway will check it myself thx |
| 00:47.57 | jordanm | Cypriot: you can "cd" into a file and the ";" would cause it to try and execute the command "restart" |
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| 00:48.32 | nsadmin | has never been able to cd into a file before... |
| 00:48.33 | jordanm | Cypriot: invoke-rc.d apache2 restart |
| 00:48.45 | jordanm | sorry, _can't_ cd into a file... |
| 00:49.07 | nsadmin | Cypriot: you need fundamentals |
| 00:49.32 | nsadmin | you have some very basic misconceptions that you might want to clear up as soon as possible |
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| 00:51.39 | jordanm | Cypriot: you did however get the cron time syntax correct |
| 00:52.19 | abrotman | jordanm: everything in unix is a file! |
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| 00:53.47 | jordanm | s/file/posix shell executable/ |
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| 00:56.17 | Cypriot | made a *.sh and wrote command in it then added crontab for *.sh |
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| 00:56.29 | Cypriot | i think thats the way |
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| 00:58.00 | voed | which repositories need to be added in sources.list to install the latest stable KDE i.e KDE 4.2 (probably). |
| 00:58.14 | voed | s/need/are\sneeded |
| 00:59.35 | jordanm | you would need to upgrade to testing or unstable |
| 00:59.44 | jordanm | I think it will 4.4 |
| 01:00.36 | voed | jordanm: i need to be at the "latest stable" however ignoring experimental/unstable releases. |
| 01:00.53 | qq- | !KDE4 |
| 01:00.54 | dpkg | KDE 4 is the version of <KDE> that you will find in Squeeze, ask me about <install kde4>. See also <kde squeeze>. Because KDE 4 is so new, you might get more assistance in #debian-kde on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 01:01.12 | voed | <kde squeeze> |
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| 01:01.39 | voed | so that isn't a channel bot request. |
| 01:01.39 | qq- | voed, /msg dpkg kde squeeze |
| 01:03.08 | qq- | voed, /msg dpkg msgthebot |
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| 01:23.04 | Acony | mysql service wan't stop |
| 01:23.18 | Acony | so I am not able to shutdown the pc normally |
| 01:23.33 | Acony | also when I try to restart same problem and so on, and so on... |
| 01:23.46 | Acony | aleksandar@acony:~$ sudo /etc/init.d/mysql restart |
| 01:23.46 | Acony | Stopping MySQL database server: mysqld failed! |
| 01:24.08 | Acony | how can I solve this |
| 01:24.48 | abrotman | check the mysql logs to start |
| 01:25.42 | Acony | abortman what should be the easiest solution for this problem |
| 01:26.04 | Acony | I don't have some important data in db, only developer tests and so on |
| 01:26.28 | NoCode | hrm, did vlc get thrown out of the repos? |
| 01:26.41 | NoCode | apparently the ones I am using, don't have it anymore |
| 01:27.46 | abrotman | judd: versions vlc |
| 01:27.49 | judd | vlc -- etch: 0.8.6-svn20061012.debian-5.1+etch2; etch-security: 0.8.6-svn20061012.debian-5.1+etch3; lenny: 0.8.6.h-4+lenny2; lenny-security: 0.8.6.h-4+lenny2.3; sid: 1.0.6-1; squeeze: 1.0.6-1 |
| 01:27.52 | thepro4e1er | exit |
| 01:27.53 | thepro4e1er | quit |
| 01:27.59 | thepro4e1er | gahh i'm a noob |
| 01:28.02 | abrotman | thepro4e1er: /quit |
| 01:28.08 | thepro4e1er | thank you sir |
| 01:28.23 | Acony | ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'debian-sys-maint'@'localhost' (using password: YES) |
| 01:29.39 | abrotman | seems pretty obvious! |
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| 01:30.13 | strigona_ | i'm trying out debian squeeze on my laptop with a broadcom wifi card. Wifi is working for no-encrypted connections, but when i connect to a WAP connection it connects but i have no internet access (can't even ping the router) |
| 01:30.47 | jordanm | you mean WPA? |
| 01:31.11 | K`zan | Arrowmaster: That link you sent me to last night solved the problem that I had been working on for about a month! THANK YOU *VERY* MUCH! (no utube audio: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=34450 WORKS :-)! |
| 01:31.31 | strigona_ | eer yeah, WPA |
| 01:31.45 | Arrowmaster | what was the solution? deleting the ~/.asoundrc.asoundconf ? |
| 01:32.04 | K`zan | Arrowmaster: Yes Sir, did that and all is fine again, ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh :-) :-) :-)! |
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| 01:32.27 | Arrowmaster | so you did end up running asoundconf like i suspected and that broke everything |
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| 01:33.28 | K`zan | Arrowmaster: ALl 9,2257,234 other things I tried didn't. Yes, that was one of the things that was supposed to fix it, but I think I ran it before to try to select between a USB headset and the desk speakers - that was probably what did it in the first place. |
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| 01:34.16 | K`zan | Arrowmaster: Again, MUCH appreciated! |
| 01:34.23 | nsadmin | WOW! you really tried 7,98723978,978423,9078 things?!\ |
| 01:35.15 | strigona_ | Anyone know why I can't use WPA wifi connection? |
| 01:35.19 | Arrowmaster | asoundconf isnt even a part of alsa anymore, thats how broken it was |
| 01:35.29 | K`zan | nsadmin: It sure seems like it was at least that many ;-). Ever follow all the google links on a search ;-) LOL! |
| 01:35.55 | nsadmin | I've only followed 978432,90827349,987423 of them! |
| 01:36.24 | K`zan | It will be the last one you look at ;-). |
| 01:36.35 | K`zan | ALways :). |
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| 01:36.44 | nsadmin | for me, it was usually the second last... |
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| 01:37.11 | Acony | anyone here how maintain mysql package ? |
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| 01:37.28 | nsadmin | , maint mysql |
| 01:37.33 | judd | Package mysql version 3.23.49-8 was uploaded by Christian Hammers, last changed by Christian Hammers and maintained by . |
| 01:38.06 | Acony | judd, it's broke somehow, I am not able to start it or stop normally |
| 01:38.14 | Acony | any have any idea how to fix that ? |
| 01:38.43 | abrotman | Acony: what did you do to the mysql permissions database ? you changed it somehow |
| 01:39.07 | Arrowmaster | sudo killall -9 mysql? |
| 01:39.14 | abrotman | uh won't help |
| 01:39.32 | Arrowmaster | must be hard to kill then |
| 01:40.00 | nsadmin | just like Steven Seagal |
| 01:40.12 | Arrowmaster | now i will always mentally picture a cockroach when thinking of mysql |
| 01:40.44 | nsadmin | becasue they even survive a nuke? |
| 01:40.51 | nsadmin | the new master race... |
| 01:40.52 | Acony | abrotman, I don't know |
| 01:41.04 | Acony | Arrowmaster, I can stop it via mysqladmin |
| 01:41.12 | abrotman | !tell Acony about debian-sys-maint |
| 01:41.12 | Acony | without kill |
| 01:41.56 | abrotman | Acony: dpkg -l mysql-server .. which version is this ? |
| 01:42.19 | Acony | ii mysql-server 5.1.41-3 MySQL database server (metapackage depending on the la |
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| 01:44.04 | Acony | abrotman, do u know where password is stored |
| 01:44.09 | Acony | in which file ? |
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| 01:44.32 | abrotman | judd: versions mysql-server |
| 01:44.33 | judd | mysql-server -- etch: 5.0.32-7etch8; etch-security: 5.0.32-7etch12; etch-backports: 5.0.51a-24+lenny2~bpo40+1; lenny: 5.0.51a-24+lenny2+spu1; lenny-security: 5.0.51a-24+lenny3; sid: 5.1.43-1; sid: 5.1.44-3; lenny-backports: 5.1.45-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 5.1.45-1; sid: 5.1.46-1 |
| 01:44.36 | abrotman | Acony: the bot already told you how to fix it |
| 01:45.15 | abrotman | and your package seems out of date |
| 01:45.21 | Acony | abrotman, hm, I did not his explanation 100% |
| 01:45.44 | abrotman | read it again |
| 01:45.56 | harry-houdini1 | turning here cause you guys are smarter than everyone else...looking for a doc on how to make a linux dhcp server active directory integrated...anyone know where i can find such a doc...hours of search has revealed nothing..help is appreciated |
| 01:46.46 | abrotman | harry-houdini1: what does that even mean? |
| 01:47.15 | Acony | abrotman, I did, but from people from mysql I get this |
| 01:47.23 | Acony | Acony: get one of those debian weiners to show you the format of the password statement in that file |
| 01:47.53 | abrotman | Acony: read what the bot told you .. it tells you how to fix it |
| 01:48.23 | harry-houdini1 | abrotman when you have a dhcp server in microsoft land you need to authorize it in active directory for it to communicate with active directory |
| 01:48.51 | abrotman | harry-houdini1: i'd guess it's a #samba question? but i'm still really unsure what you're trying to do |
| 01:49.11 | jordanm | what would it even comunicate? |
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| 01:50.00 | Arrowmaster | harry-houdini1: are you talking about ipsec? |
| 01:50.05 | harry-houdini1 | being allowed to update dns tables for older clients and be authorized to be used for Remote Installation services |
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| 01:50.54 | harry-houdini1 | in my case its about the Remote Installation Services which is now called in server 2008 Windows Deployment Services |
| 01:51.24 | Acony | well abrotman again |
| 01:51.36 | Acony | dpkg explanation is not complete |
| 01:51.36 | dpkg | Acony: okay |
| 01:51.40 | abrotman | it is! |
| 01:51.49 | abrotman | maybe you should ask one of those mysql weiners how to do it? |
| 01:51.50 | Acony | what priviledges do I need to grant ? |
| 01:52.04 | abrotman | there's a script to fix it all |
| 01:52.08 | Acony | dpkg does not said that |
| 01:52.08 | dpkg | i haven't a clue, Acony |
| 01:52.16 | abrotman | yes. the bot did |
| 01:52.25 | abrotman | If you somehow erased or modified it, there is a script to fix it bundled with the debian mysql package. |
| 01:52.29 | abrotman | from the factoid .. read it AGAIN |
| 01:52.50 | Acony | abrotman, bot did not mentioned any script! |
| 01:52.56 | abrotman | gives up |
| 01:53.01 | Acony | !tell Acony about debian-sys-maint |
| 01:53.06 | jordanm | Acony: he was quoting the bot... |
| 01:53.13 | jordanm | !tell Acony about selftell |
| 01:53.16 | Acony | !tell abrotman about debian-sys-maint |
| 01:53.34 | abrotman | already read it .. you haven't .. have fun! |
| 01:53.46 | Acony | is there anything about, the script there MAN |
| 01:54.00 | dondelelcaro | Acony: you don't need to run the script. Just change the password if you've screwed it up |
| 01:54.11 | dondelelcaro | Acony: if you don't have a debian-sys-maint user, then you need to create one |
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| 01:54.33 | Acony | well that is something dondelelcaro |
| 01:54.36 | Acony | but here http://pastie.org/970528 |
| 01:54.54 | Acony | bot does not mentioned any scripts |
| 01:55.06 | dondelelcaro | Acony: yes, but it tells you precisely what to do |
| 01:55.20 | abrotman | it tells you there is a script in the package to fix the problem |
| 01:55.25 | Acony | yeap that is true 95% |
| 01:55.38 | dondelelcaro | Acony: the script is actually in /var/lib/dpkg/info/mysql-server-5.0.postinst; there may be another one distributed, but I didn't see it |
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| 01:56.11 | dondelelcaro | (as a rule I avoid mysql, though) |
| 01:57.07 | Acony | thanks people, will fix it tomorrow I am going to bed now |
| 01:57.15 | Acony | thanks a lot once again |
| 01:59.09 | abrotman | fixes the factoid |
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| 01:59.31 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: yeah, if you find the actual script, put the name in there |
| 01:59.39 | dondelelcaro | (I didn't see it for the 5.0 server version) |
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| 01:59.50 | dondelelcaro | (and I don't have any of the newer versions installed) |
| 01:59.53 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: it's gone AFAICT .. |
| 02:00.06 | abrotman | it was there last time i looked, but i don't see it anymore .. |
| 02:00.08 | dondelelcaro | hrm... probably worth a wishlist bug to have it |
| 02:00.21 | dondelelcaro | I don't use mysql enough to really care, though |
| 02:01.04 | abrotman | no one should! |
| 02:02.36 | Arrowmaster | yeah i finally dont have whatever was pulling mysql libs onto my desktop system |
| 02:03.32 | abrotman | looking quickly, i don't see any entry in the changelog about the removal of that script |
| 02:03.44 | dondelelcaro | could just be an oversight, or it may not have existed for a very long time |
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| 02:04.49 | petemc | cake ass |
| 02:05.01 | krisfremen | the cake is a lie! |
| 02:05.15 | abrotman | no, it was real |
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| 02:16.33 | seeker7 | any chat programs that work in facebook for debian |
| 02:17.28 | abrotman | seeker7: there is a plugin for pidgin |
| 02:17.49 | seeker7 | so apt get pidgin? |
| 02:18.29 | abrotman | seeker7: using lenny? |
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| 02:19.12 | seeker7 | abrotman: i believe so how do i determine whether lenny or etch |
| 02:19.20 | abrotman | seeker7: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 02:19.25 | abrotman | judd: versions pidgin-facebookchat |
| 02:19.27 | judd | pidgin-facebookchat -- squeeze: 1.64-1; sid: 1.65-1 |
| 02:19.40 | abrotman | it's only squeeze/sid .. but you should be able to download it i'm sure |
| 02:20.12 | seeker7 | ok thanks guys one momento |
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| 02:21.24 | seeker7 | abrotman: 4.0 is what it gives me |
| 02:21.41 | abrotman | that's etch |
| 02:21.47 | abrotman | !tell seeker7 about etch->lenny |
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| 02:31.51 | seeker7 | abrotman: man am i rusty what is the edit on command line |
| 02:32.19 | abrotman | vi? nano? emacs? |
| 02:32.40 | seeker7 | abrotman: thanks |
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| 02:38.57 | civillian | jed ftw :) |
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| 02:39.47 | magnux | Hello everyone |
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| 02:41.28 | civillian | magnux, Hi |
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| 02:42.58 | magnux | civillian, =) |
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| 02:53.43 | DrMoMo | Whem my system starts i would like it to run a couple commands -- where can i put these commands so they run on start up? |
| 02:54.17 | ranix | I have been having trouble with some webpages running on my machine - they take a long time to load for hosts on my home network. I checked route -n and there is no route for 127.0.0.1 - is this unusual? |
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| 02:56.47 | tbsaunde | MoMo: /etc/rc.local |
| 02:58.51 | MoMo | cool thx |
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| 03:06.09 | Funar | hi how do i netinstall debian while connecting to the internet with a wireless dongle (netgear wg111v2) |
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| 03:19.11 | MoMo | can anyone recommedn a good KDE light weight music player -- one that can also play streaming radio |
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| 03:26.23 | Funar | hi how do i netinstall debian while connecting to the internet with a wireless dongle (netgear wg111v2) |
| 03:26.29 | kowna | xsane gives "device not available". have checked that connection is ok, have checked udev rules, have checked device users. anything else? |
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| 03:27.09 | karlpinc | Funar: There's probably help in the installation manual at debian.org. If necessary you can load an external driver while running the installer. |
| 03:27.35 | Funar | " If necessary you can load an external driver while running the installer." |
| 03:27.36 | Funar | how |
| 03:27.37 | karlpinc | kowna: /usr/share/doc/sane*/README.Debian* Aside from that you might have to configure a backend. |
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| 03:27.52 | karlpinc | Funar: Dunno. I'd be in the manual. I recall seeing it. perhaps expert mode. |
| 03:28.04 | karlpinc | Funar: s/I'd/It'd/ |
| 03:28.05 | kowna | thks, looking it up. |
| 03:28.59 | Funar | the manual is so unfriendly |
| 03:29.00 | Funar | :( |
| 03:30.24 | karlpinc | kowna: sane-find-scanner will probably come in handy. I forget what I did, a lot of reading of "man -k sane" man pages. |
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| 03:31.05 | karlpinc | Funar: If you don't like instructions you could also run the installer and poke it with a stick until it does what you want. |
| 03:31.19 | karlpinc | Funar: What makes it unfriendly? |
| 03:31.49 | Funar | eh well my problem is kindof specific |
| 03:32.03 | Funar | hard to find |
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| 03:33.09 | DogBoy | Funar, your answer is not very user friendly |
| 03:33.42 | Funar | haha thanks |
| 03:34.01 | karlpinc | Funar: I found it pretty easy. It'd be the section titled "Loading missing firmware" http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch06s04.html.en |
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| 03:35.10 | Funar | i don't think i would have ever searched for my problem using 'missing firmware', thank you |
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| 03:35.55 | karlpinc | Funar: You might also possibly want section 5.3.1.2. Passing parameters to kernel modules. |
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| 03:36.10 | wahz | I'm getting a different performance result with java on debian vs java on ubuntu, and I can't seem to figure out why |
| 03:36.19 | karlpinc | Funar: Linux comes with _all_ the drivers. The only thing missing would be proprietary firmware. |
| 03:36.41 | Funar | it does not come with the driver for my netgear wg111v2 |
| 03:36.44 | Funar | that i know for a fact |
| 03:36.45 | wahz | x86, same jdk, same kernel, different results |
| 03:36.59 | karlpinc | Funar: Then how do you plan to use it after installation? |
| 03:37.06 | Funar | ndiswrapper |
| 03:38.11 | karlpinc | Funar: With that you're beyond what I know about, although you might try the kmuto installers which have newer kernels which have newer/more drivers in case there _is_ a driver. |
| 03:38.13 | wahz | would anyone have an idea why this may happen? |
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| 03:38.36 | karlpinc | wahz: 32 vs 64 bit? |
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| 03:39.59 | wahz | both 32 |
| 03:40.01 | wahz | same machine |
| 03:40.06 | magnux | wahz, are you using sun java or OpenJDK? |
| 03:40.19 | wahz | i've tried both sun and open, same results |
| 03:40.32 | wahz | i.e. debian ~1.8 times slower |
| 03:40.54 | Rusty1 | based on what metric(s) |
| 03:41.09 | karlpinc | wahz: Perhaps something in the userspace libararies. Ubuntu likely has newer stuff than Lenny so you're comparing apples and oranges. |
| 03:41.27 | karlpinc | wahz: You could try squeeze. |
| 03:42.20 | wahz | it's a very small test app, memory intensive, using java current-milli-seconds within the app (i.e. not using "time" on the command line) |
| 03:42.26 | wahz | yes, using squeeze |
| 03:42.50 | karlpinc | wahz: Alternately, diff the kernel .config files and see if something there matters. See make-kpkg if you find something. |
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| 03:43.03 | wahz | also, jvm params the same (-server; also tried -server -Xms400m -Xmx800m -Xmn200m; amongst other variations) |
| 03:43.16 | andre_francys | hi..... |
| 03:43.19 | wahz | karlpinc: I have, and I've built the exact same kernel on both |
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| 03:43.30 | wahz | (i.e. using the same .config file, etc) |
| 03:43.34 | andre_francys | remastersys on debian lenny? |
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| 03:44.35 | wahz | I don't know what 'remastersys' is, I'll look it up.. |
| 03:44.43 | karlpinc | wahz: Altenately, squeeze is not guarenteed to work. You might try lenny. |
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| 03:45.16 | wahz | yeah I have already |
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| 03:46.03 | wahz | that's why I'm stuck |
| 03:46.03 | Rusty1 | perhaps simply looking at what other resource contentions are happening, htop etc |
| 03:46.03 | karlpinc | wahz: Same results? |
| 03:46.04 | wahz | yes.. |
| 03:46.04 | karlpinc | wahz: Single user mode? |
| 03:46.04 | wahz | karlpinc: yes |
| 03:46.04 | karlpinc | Poo. |
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| 03:46.17 | Funar | so karlpinc, you have no idea how to load the driver for my wireless dongle DURING the installation? |
| 03:46.19 | thepro4e1er | is there a j2ee package that i can install on debian? |
| 03:46.28 | NoCode | Weird maybe some servers went offline or something, I can't install vlc |
| 03:46.42 | NoCode | I haven't had updates, or upgrades in Squeeze in a LONG time |
| 03:46.44 | wahz | the weird thing is, almost all other distro's I've tried in the past couple of weeks have similar results with debian |
| 03:46.47 | simonrvn | wow |
| 03:46.48 | karlpinc | Funar: No. You told me there isn't one. I've no idea how to use ndiswrapper during installation. |
| 03:46.49 | simonrvn | wahz: disk i/o? |
| 03:46.59 | wahz | the only one with the same results as ubuntu is mint (which is really ubuntu anyway) |
| 03:47.08 | wahz | no disk i/o |
| 03:47.29 | simonrvn | compiler version? |
| 03:47.57 | Funar | karlpinc could i instead install debian from my second harddrive? |
| 03:48.06 | simonrvn | for the kernel; same modules loaded? |
| 03:48.09 | wahz | so the situation I've got is: debian/fedora/arch/slack/gentoo --> 1.8x slower then ubuntu/mint |
| 03:48.18 | karlpinc | Funar: Yes. |
| 03:48.25 | wahz | simonrvn: yes |
| 03:48.31 | thepro4e1er | is there a j2ee package that i can install on debian? |
| 03:48.46 | wahz | simonrvn: compilers are same version |
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| 03:48.55 | karlpinc | Funar: You probably want a minimal install and then manually install, say, xorg and gnome/whatever else you want. |
| 03:48.57 | simonrvn | glibc same? |
| 03:49.39 | simonrvn | ok, how about this, what's different, and did you not check it yet? (makes it easier on both of us ;) |
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| 03:49.53 | Funar | alright thanks! |
| 03:50.13 | wahz | simonrvn: yeah, I think it would have been better if I said it all in the beginning.. |
| 03:50.22 | simonrvn | np |
| 03:50.40 | karlpinc | Funar: There may also be a way to use ndiswrapper at installation, but somebody else will have to help. |
| 03:51.14 | wahz | same: machine (32), kernel, jdk, jre, single user, services |
| 03:51.15 | Funar | well becaues no one else is currently stepping in |
| 03:51.23 | Funar | 'business card' installation is what i want right |
| 03:51.26 | nsadmin | so you used java to measure java performance |
| 03:51.30 | nsadmin | interesting :) |
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| 03:52.02 | wahz | beyond that, i did not make sure that other things were identical (or as close as possible) |
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| 03:52.12 | simonrvn | only thing that keeps coming back for me is glibc. |
| 03:52.20 | wahz | so no, I did not check glibc versions - would it have a big effect in this case? |
| 03:52.27 | nsadmin | it might |
| 03:52.33 | simonrvn | esp. version, what sort of build environment, stuff like that |
| 03:52.53 | nsadmin | but it's unknown at this point since you're not saying what versions |
| 03:53.07 | wahz | one moment... |
| 03:53.13 | simonrvn | you're counting milliseconds right? it would. |
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| 03:53.57 | nsadmin | why not use the kernels that come with their respective dists, since they're prepared for those versions |
| 03:54.00 | wahz | sorry, i won't be able to give glibc versions, but i can say that it was whatever is the 'default' on squeeze, and ubuntu |
| 03:54.05 | wahz | both installed in the past week |
| 03:54.15 | nsadmin | which ubuntu? |
| 03:54.17 | simonrvn | nsadmin: indeed (using itself to measure its own performance) |
| 03:54.51 | nsadmin | well you have to have the thing you're testing in java |
| 03:54.57 | simonrvn | ,versions --testing libc6 |
| 03:54.58 | judd | Sorry, no package named '--testing' was found. |
| 03:54.59 | Funar | nope that's not it |
| 03:55.05 | simonrvn | ,versions libc6 --testing |
| 03:55.06 | judd | (versions <pattern> [--arch <i386>] [--release <lenny>]) -- Show the available versions of a package in the optionally specified release and for the given architecture. All current releases and i386 are searched by default. By default, binary packages are searched; prefix the packagename with "src:" to search source packages. |
| 03:55.07 | wahz | nsadmin: I started with the kernels that came with the dists |
| 03:55.13 | simonrvn | sorry |
| 03:55.15 | simonrvn | ,versions libc6 |
| 03:55.17 | judd | libc6 -- etch: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch9+b1; etch-security: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch10+b1; lenny: 2.7-18lenny1; lenny-security: 2.7-18lenny2; squeeze: 2.10.2-6; sid: 2.10.2-8; experimental: 2.11-0exp4 |
| 03:55.20 | Funar | how do i minimally install debian |
| 03:55.37 | nsadmin | just install the base |
| 03:55.49 | simonrvn | Funar: install it, then don't run tasksel, but do run aptitude. |
| 03:55.49 | wahz | nsadmin: how would you recommend to measure performance? |
| 03:56.18 | wahz | nsadmin: ubuntu 10.4 |
| 03:56.37 | karlpinc | Funar: I believe you're wrong and there is a driver. http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/rtl8187 |
| 03:56.51 | simonrvn | usually questions come with question marks, too. |
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| 03:56.51 | Funar | well that was the driver i was referring to |
| 03:57.04 | nsadmin | I'm not sure... since running a java prog means pulling in the java runtime every time, you'd have to subtract that time which could be different subsequent times due to caching |
| 03:57.07 | Funar | but i dont think it is included |
| 03:57.18 | karlpinc | Funar: That's a linux driver. No ndiswrapper needed. |
| 03:57.31 | karlpinc | Funar: To get it you need a new enough kernel. |
| 03:57.34 | karlpinc | !kmuto |
| 03:57.34 | dpkg | For Debian Lenny installers with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ . The <bnx2> and <bnx2x> firmware files for Linux 2.6.32 are included in 0116 images. |
| 03:58.12 | Funar | ooo |
| 03:58.13 | karlpinc | Funar: You will also need a new kernel from backports.org or you won't have wireless after install. |
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| 03:58.16 | karlpinc | !bpo |
| 03:58.16 | dpkg | backports.org is a semi-official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://deb.li/bpoi . A sample line for your sources.list is: deb http://www.backports.org/debian lenny-backports main contrib non-free. Once added: "aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update". <bpo mirrors> <bpo contents> <bpo list> <backports-users> |
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| 03:59.08 | nsadmin | dpkg is a spamitozoa |
| 03:59.08 | dpkg | nsadmin: no idea |
| 03:59.17 | nsadmin | now you know :P |
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| 03:59.24 | wahz | nsadmin: I believe I may have catered for that, i.e. timings do not begin until after a warmup, many cycles, taking standard deviation into account |
| 03:59.55 | kowna | sane-find-scanner found my USB scanner but 'scanimage -L' says "No scanners were identified." |
| 03:59.56 | Funar | ok wait |
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| 04:00.07 | karlpinc | Funar: You either download the new kernel from bpo some other way and then install with dpkg, or you stay in the install disk and fiddle and install from bpo using chroot. |
| 04:00.15 | nsadmin | this "warmup" period needs to precisely account for exactly the stuff that is not the program |
| 04:00.43 | kowna | sane-find-scanner found my USB scanner but 'scanimage -L' says "No scanners were identified." why the contradiction? |
| 04:00.47 | Funar | let's assume i have no idea what you mean |
| 04:00.52 | Funar | (because i don't) |
| 04:00.53 | karlpinc | kowna: That means you need to read "man sane-<yourscannerhere>". |
| 04:01.17 | Funar | so which way do i want to do it if i just want to install it... and move on lol |
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| 04:01.30 | karlpinc | kowna: There's probably enough in /etc/sane.d/yourscanner.conf in the comments to figure it out too. |
| 04:01.45 | karlpinc | kowna: You may need to restart the daemon after re-configuration. Dunno. |
| 04:02.14 | karlpinc | kowna: In other words, it's not configured so sane does not know it's there. |
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| 04:02.40 | wahz | again, I believe I've catered for that as much as I am capable (and as much as it would be significant to the outcome from running the test for over an hour) |
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| 04:03.23 | karlpinc | Funar: Start with the install of the system. Then you need a new kernel. Probably easiest to download it, somehow, and then manually install the kernel package with dpkg. Simple way: Do the install and come back here for help. |
| 04:03.54 | wahz | I find it interesting that all other distros I have tested have a similar result, only ubuntu/mint are different |
| 04:04.09 | Funar | :) ok thanks |
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| 04:04.23 | wahz | I even went down the path of Gentoo, thinking I could improve the performance that way (misguided) |
| 04:04.39 | simonrvn | !gentoosmite foo |
| 04:04.39 | dpkg | spends 7 days recompiling foo, and when it's all done, foo runs no faster than previously |
| 04:04.40 | nsadmin | the only thing that would convince me is if you start the time just before the program starts and stop and accumulate the time after it stops |
| 04:04.44 | karlpinc | Funar: There's a difference between the kernel the installer is running and the kernel that's installed. Both need to have the driver. |
| 04:04.57 | kuber | heh |
| 04:05.10 | Funar | ooo i see ok |
| 04:05.25 | nsadmin | and I'd also want you to stop all daemons running on the machines |
| 04:05.38 | wahz | no daemons running |
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| 04:06.31 | wahz | I see via package search online that ubuntu glibc version is 2.11 |
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| 04:06.49 | wahz | compared to squeeze version 2.10 (above) |
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| 04:07.25 | z1y | hello, anyone experience postgresql-8.4 in production server with Lenny? |
| 04:07.53 | Rusty1 | whaz identical lsmod, ps -aux ? |
| 04:07.55 | z1y | postgresql-8.4 is a "backports" :( |
| 04:07.57 | wahz | naive question but: would java use glibc for memory allocation? |
| 04:09.04 | karlpinc | !tell z1y about ask |
| 04:09.26 | nsadmin | zly: you'd have to ask your actual, specific, informative, concise, complete, on-topic question (polls, you may be interested in popularity-contest) |
| 04:10.22 | {coolface} | Poof! |
| 04:12.41 | z1y | karlpinc: i see. thank you. |
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| 04:13.39 | nsadmin | z1y: (I see I got the nick wrong so...) you'd have to ask your actual, specific, informative, concise, complete, on-topic question (polls, you may be interested in popularity-contest)... also, there is #postgresql |
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| 04:14.01 | wahz | Rusty1: identical lsmod, did not diff on ps -aux, except to check that I did not have unexpected daemons or other programs running |
| 04:14.35 | nsadmin | uptime and free would have been important to check as well |
| 04:14.52 | wahz | good idea, I will check those too next time |
| 04:15.36 | wahz | if it makes any difference, before testing, I would reboot each time |
| 04:15.44 | nsadmin | maybe the two kernels had different ideas about your free ram |
| 04:16.02 | wahz | nsadmin: I suspect it may have something to do with that |
| 04:16.04 | nsadmin | wouldn't a reboot start the daemons? |
| 04:16.21 | wahz | yeah but no daemons were setup to be running |
| 04:16.32 | Rusty1 | filesystems are the same, no journaling diffs |
| 04:16.40 | wahz | correct, ext4 |
| 04:17.05 | nsadmin | same drives, same swap space? |
| 04:17.21 | wahz | yes, same on both accounts |
| 04:17.38 | Rusty1 | not in a vm |
| 04:17.43 | wahz | no |
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| 04:17.52 | wahz | on a Dell Latitude D610 |
| 04:17.55 | nsadmin | not in a vm within a vm? :) |
| 04:18.16 | wahz | not unless we're in the matrix, no |
| 04:18.45 | nsadmin | we're in... the ma-trix... |
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| 04:18.58 | wahz | again, since I'm getting a ubuntu vs most-other-distros, it's leading me to think that ubuntu is doing something unique |
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| 04:19.23 | wahz | I just can't figure out what that is... |
| 04:19.33 | nsadmin | you still have to rule out the lib |
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| 04:19.42 | wahz | true |
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| 04:19.56 | mattfury | is there a debian chat channel? |
| 04:20.09 | nsadmin | #debian-offtopic, #defocus |
| 04:20.13 | wahz | and as I mentioned, there is a difference here: 2.11 vs 2.10 |
| 04:20.42 | nsadmin | , versions glibc |
| 04:20.43 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'glibc' was found. |
| 04:20.53 | nsadmin | , versions libc6 |
| 04:20.55 | judd | libc6 -- etch: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch9+b1; etch-security: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch10+b1; lenny: 2.7-18lenny1; lenny-security: 2.7-18lenny2; squeeze: 2.10.2-6; sid: 2.10.2-8; experimental: 2.11-0exp4 |
| 04:21.38 | nsadmin | what libc6 does ubuntu 9 have? |
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| 04:22.58 | wahz | not sure what ubuntu 9 has, but I was using 10 (lucid) which has 2.11.1 |
| 04:23.30 | wahz | any idea if java relies on glibc for memory management? |
| 04:23.47 | nsadmin | you could strace it |
| 04:24.26 | wahz | good idea, I will next time |
| 04:24.53 | nsadmin | I guess you can't look at the source |
| 04:24.58 | tbsaunde | nsadmin: wouldn't that just tell you it called brk? |
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| 04:25.01 | nsadmin | but not totally sure there |
| 04:25.16 | wahz | I wrote the source |
| 04:25.24 | nsadmin | of java?! |
| 04:25.27 | wahz | of the test program :P |
| 04:25.33 | tbsaunde | nsadmin: I believe you can get sun-java6-source, but you'd have to see what it links against really |
| 04:26.14 | nsadmin | I think what we're really talking about is what allocator is used to allocate an object |
| 04:27.28 | tbsaunde | nsadmin: the question is really what alllocator is used to get manage the memory java is using including the memory your program is using and whatever else java wants to keep on the heap |
| 04:28.05 | tbsaunde | nsadmin: I beieve for gcing java handles your programs allocations from its own pool, but not sure |
| 04:28.21 | nsadmin | seems reasonable |
| 04:28.29 | wahz | yeah I really think it's down to how the memory is managed; the test program simply creates a large tree of objects, then "executes" the tree (involves walking the tree) |
| 04:28.57 | nsadmin | oh, what version of the jre did you use |
| 04:29.24 | nsadmin | it would be helpful if you were to install the same one on both oses |
| 04:29.32 | wahz | i did |
| 04:29.46 | nsadmin | from .debs? |
| 04:29.50 | nsadmin | or what? |
| 04:30.20 | wahz | okay, not from the same .deb; same versions however |
| 04:30.29 | wahz | perhaps theres a difference here? |
| 04:30.32 | nsadmin | maybe |
| 04:30.41 | wahz | I should have used the same .deb, bugger |
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| 04:30.50 | nsadmin | I'd get the upstream non-debian installer for something like this |
| 04:31.04 | nsadmin | install it in some place you can blow it away |
| 04:31.12 | wahz | yep, good call |
| 04:31.47 | nsadmin | rule that out, then rule out the glibc difference |
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| 04:32.10 | wahz | cool, I think I have enough to work on from here |
| 04:32.11 | tbsaunde | nsadmin: good point |
| 04:32.15 | wahz | thanks for the help |
| 04:32.22 | nsadmin | np... |
| 04:32.23 | tbsaunde | wahz: np |
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| 04:32.28 | wahz | if I still get a difference.... |
| 04:32.34 | wahz | ....will start pulling hairs out.... |
| 04:32.36 | nsadmin | btw what numbers were you getting? |
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| 04:33.28 | nsadmin | it might be instructive to make a test on something like cat |
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| 04:35.01 | kingsley | Has anyone else here received email spam with headers from busoni.debian.org? |
| 04:35.12 | kowna | mine hp f380. its not in /etc/sane.d. anywhere to download the right stuff? |
| 04:35.25 | wahz | I know the ratio was roughly 1:1.8 (in favour of ubuntu); I don't have the exact numbers on me right now |
| 04:35.29 | nsadmin | cat probably isn't allocating objects, could be somewhat shorter than java and you can see the source! |
| 04:35.51 | wahz | what would be a resonable test with cat? |
| 04:35.58 | wahz | just cat a large file? |
| 04:36.05 | nsadmin | what was the ratio of actual program to looping structure? |
| 04:36.32 | tbsaunde | wahz: that's a big difference |
| 04:36.57 | Funar | karlpinc you are genius! |
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| 04:37.07 | Funar | it connected to the internets and is installing |
| 04:37.10 | kingsley | Or, has anyone else here received email spam with headers from bugs.debian.org or server.munitacna.gob.pe? |
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| 04:37.22 | wahz | nsadmin: I'm not sure exactly what you mean, however, I didn't really measure anything beyond the timings |
| 04:37.44 | wahz | nsadmin: the test programs could vary on the depth of the object tree |
| 04:37.53 | nsadmin | wahz: you have the section of code you were testing... |
| 04:38.06 | wahz | nsadmin: not on me I'm afraid |
| 04:38.17 | nsadmin | and perhaps you wrote a loop to repeat |
| 04:38.34 | nsadmin | here's a way to test that... |
| 04:38.36 | wahz | nsadmin: simply, it created a binary tree, then walked the tree |
| 04:39.04 | nsadmin | you're not focusing in the same place I am... |
| 04:39.23 | nsadmin | you repeated something over and over to test performance, right? |
| 04:39.28 | wahz | correct |
| 04:39.44 | nsadmin | ok. so, there is the section of code you were repeating |
| 04:39.54 | nsadmin | and there is the thing you used to repeat |
| 04:40.03 | nsadmin | yes? |
| 04:40.11 | wahz | yes |
| 04:40.36 | nsadmin | ok, on both OSes, you can empty the repeater |
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| 04:40.45 | nsadmin | so that it repeats "" |
| 04:40.51 | nsadmin | nothing |
| 04:40.53 | wahz | gotcha |
| 04:41.00 | nsadmin | then loop that as many times |
| 04:41.05 | nsadmin | record the time |
| 04:41.10 | nsadmin | subtract |
| 04:41.29 | nsadmin | do that on both OSes |
| 04:41.46 | wahz | will do |
| 04:42.05 | wahz | lots of things to try now! |
| 04:42.23 | nsadmin | also, you can take (treewalk - repeatings) / repeatings |
| 04:42.37 | eryn_1983 | hey peeps i got q ssh question... |
| 04:42.46 | nsadmin | and you get the ratio between just the program and just the loop |
| 04:43.02 | nsadmin | do that on both OSes too |
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| 04:45.22 | wahz | got it |
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| 04:46.18 | nsadmin | and include in the looping any time things you did inside the loop |
| 04:47.03 | blahdeblah | Hi. What is the correct/approved way to enable jumbo frames on a bridged interface |
| 04:47.04 | blahdeblah | ? |
| 04:47.22 | blahdeblah | Just setting mtu 9000 in the bridge stanza in /etc/network/interfaces didn't work for me |
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| 05:01.12 | wahz | thanks again, I'm off |
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| 05:04.20 | voed | I am trying to install kde-plasma-desktop, on Debian lenny, it says, it requires a few packages to be upgraded including "udev", but it can't be upgraded, it returns a dpkg Error [1], what's the problem, how to rectify it ? |
| 05:06.07 | voed | I can see it returning," Since release 150, udev requires that support for the CONFIG_SYSFS_DEPRECATED feature disabled in the kernel." |
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| 05:11.26 | tbsaunde | voed: you have a squeeze repository of some kind? if you don't know pastebin /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 05:12.27 | voed | tbsaunde: i can't pastebin, i'm running a Debian in CUI mutliuser mode, and i was trying to install the latest stable KDE on that. |
| 05:13.00 | tbsaunde | voed: cui? |
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| 05:13.44 | voed | tbsaunde: yes, debian in character user interface. |
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| 05:14.25 | soonyum_ | voed: KDE3 or KDE4? |
| 05:14.27 | tbsaunde | voed: ok, command line, there are command line pastebin clients |
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| 05:14.36 | voed | tbsaunde: the only one and new repository i added in /etc/apt/sources.list = http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian testing main contrib non-free |
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| 05:14.41 | DogBoy | you can do everything in cli |
| 05:14.43 | DogBoy | heh |
| 05:14.45 | tbsaunde | soonyum_: I believe his problem is he needs a newer kernel |
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| 05:15.28 | voed | soonyum_: i did "aptitude install kde-plasma-desktop" i am not sure about the version, i've only added the above repository ^^ |
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| 05:15.45 | tbsaunde | voed: yes, you have a testing repository, you can either pin udev below 150, I don't know how, or install a newer kernel, reboot and upgrade udev |
| 05:16.10 | tbsaunde | voed: why did you add that line? |
| 05:16.29 | voed | tbsaunde: is that newer kernel "stable enough" ? |
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| 05:17.06 | voed | tbsaunde: someone recommended me to add that repository in order to install the newer KDE. |
| 05:17.07 | tbsaunde | voed: for what? |
| 05:17.44 | tbsaunde | voed: yes, testing repositories get you newer stuff but it isn't stable which is lenny the release you have now |
| 05:18.07 | voed | tbsaunde: what i want, is the latest KDE with the most stable kernel, i can have. |
| 05:18.44 | tbsaunde | voed: stable and newest are a trade off |
| 05:18.45 | soonyum_ | voed: KDE4 (the newer kde) is not supported in lenny (stable). that's why you were asked to add the testing (squeeze) repository. |
| 05:19.07 | soonyum_ | testing is stable enough, IMO. |
| 05:19.19 | tbsaunde | soonyum_: for a desktop probably |
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| 05:19.32 | voed | soonyum_ and tbsaunde : i understand, now what can i do to update the kernel ? |
| 05:19.45 | voed | tbsaunde: yes, it's a desktop workstation. |
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| 05:20.51 | tbsaunde | voed: ok aptitude install linux-image-2.6 should do tell me what it wants to install |
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| 05:22.16 | voed | tbsaunde: is it necessary to install that ? |
| 05:22.50 | voed | that i.e. linux-image-2.6 |
| 05:23.43 | tbsaunde | voed: that's a meta package for the kernel, so it will give you the latest kernel |
| 05:24.12 | tbsaunde | voed: the package it self is basically nothing, it just forces a newer kernel to be installed |
| 05:24.22 | voed | ok |
| 05:24.51 | voed | it says Done. |
| 05:24.55 | MoMo | if i'm running a program out of a terminal how do i send it to the background |
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| 05:25.30 | voed | tbsaunde: however, i still get the same error, when i install kde-plasma-desktop |
| 05:25.44 | tbsaunde | MoMo: run command & |
| 05:26.07 | MoMo | thanks |
| 05:26.27 | tbsaunde | voed: ok, interesting, what do you get from ls /boot/vmliuz |
| 05:26.37 | tbsaunde | voed: ok, interesting, what do you get from ls /boot/vmliuz* rather |
| 05:26.44 | tbsaunde | MoMo: np |
| 05:27.07 | voed | No such file or directory. |
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| 05:27.49 | tbsaunde | voed: what about /vmlinuz* |
| 05:27.58 | tbsaunde | voed: ls that |
| 05:28.22 | voed | it returns "/vmlinuz" in the output |
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| 05:28.46 | tbsaunde | voed: ok |
| 05:29.10 | tbsaunde | voed: what arch is this machine? amd64 probably but maybe x86? |
| 05:29.32 | voed | yes x86_64 |
| 05:30.01 | voed | 2.6.26-2 is the linux kernel version, i guess. |
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| 05:30.34 | tbsaunde | voed: ok, try installing linux-image-2.6.32-3-amd64 I believe that is the package |
| 05:31.40 | voed | tbsaunde: ok, work in progress {downloading stuff} [11mins remaining] |
| 05:31.54 | voed | pardon 7mins* |
| 05:32.01 | tbsaunde | voed: your connection is slow, what all does it want to install? |
| 05:32.12 | tbsaunde | voed: np |
| 05:32.28 | tbsaunde | voed: don't worry about the slow :-) |
| 05:32.39 | voed | tbsaunde: the package you told and firmware-linux-free{a} |
| 05:32.58 | tbsaunde | voed: ok sounds good |
| 05:33.02 | voed | tbsaunde: yes, it's slow, but its's fairly good, hehe. 512 kbps |
| 05:33.32 | tbsaunde | voed: thats respectable |
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| 05:36.49 | MoMo | when kde starts i would like to start conky -- where would i place the command? |
| 05:39.23 | soonyum_ | MoMo: ~/.kde/Autostart/ |
| 05:40.42 | MoMo | soonyum_: okay -- but what do i place in there? do i have to write a script or ... cause its just one command i'm running |
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| 05:42.30 | voed | tbsaunde: ok, It's giving an informational message about "The system is currently running xxx kernel image, and you're installing xxx kernel image. In the new version, some of the drivers used on this system may require additional firmware files. and it lists e100/d102e_ucode.bin and other 2 such files " ?. It tells me to add the nonfree section of repositories to install these files. |
| 05:42.47 | soonyum_ | MoMo: yes, write a simple bash script, and don't forget to chmod it +x |
| 05:42.50 | voed | tbsaunde: is that okay ? ^^ |
| 05:43.42 | tbsaunde | voed: not quiet sure never seen that |
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| 05:43.50 | MoMo | okay cool |
| 05:44.06 | voed | anyways, I just have the choice to accept. |
| 05:44.26 | voed | tbsaunde: how to enable the nonfree reposotories to install that ? |
| 05:44.34 | voed | s/reposotories/repositories |
| 05:44.40 | tbsaunde | voed: I'd gues those are for wireless or sound, so if you don't need wireless for a little while, I'd reboot into that kernel and find out |
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| 05:45.07 | voed | tbsaunde: okay :) |
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| 05:45.17 | tbsaunde | voed: you now the lines in /etc/apt/sources.list add after main contrib non-free |
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| 05:45.53 | soonyum_ | MoMo: if you can also create a symlink for the command and place it in the Autostart dir |
| 05:46.12 | tbsaunde | voed: if you don't need wireless I'd recommend you reboot into that kernel so you can upgrade udev and finish the install |
| 05:46.29 | voed | tbsaunde: ok, i'll reboot into the new kernel ;) |
| 05:46.38 | voed | brb |
| 05:47.41 | tbsaunde | voed: good luck :) |
| 05:51.08 | voed | tbsaunde: thanks to you, it seems the "udev" issue got solved. |
| 05:52.09 | tbsaunde | voed: np, its been a common problem, any wireless / sound other firmware problems? |
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| 05:54.35 | voed | tbsaunde: yes, there are quite a few from sometime. if you can help me troubleshoot, it would be cool :) |
| 05:54.56 | voed | the first one is, that the system recognises the audio adapter, but i can't listen any music. |
| 05:55.05 | voed | and the other, No usb support. |
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| 05:56.17 | tbsaunde | voed: no usb support interesting |
| 05:56.35 | tbsaunde | voed: first thing I'd try is install firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 05:57.03 | voed | tbsaunde: yeah, i'll be back in notime, just restarting and i'll try to install that :) |
| 05:57.09 | voed | brb |
| 05:57.31 | tbsaunde | voed: why? ok |
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| 06:01.39 | Funar | karlpinc, are you still here? |
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| 06:04.38 | tbsaunde | Funar: you needed help with installing over wireless? where are you at? |
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| 06:06.32 | voed | tbsaunde: I installed that package, ya told :) |
| 06:07.19 | tbsaunde | voed: not sure you need to reboot for that, but with udev and crap can't hurt, you upgraded udev with installing kde right? |
| 06:07.54 | voed | tbsaunde: yes, that's right. |
| 06:08.36 | Funar | tbsaunde no no, the over-wireless installation is working well right now |
| 06:08.53 | Funar | i was just making sure somebody could help me once the installation was over |
| 06:08.59 | Funar | ( i need to get a new kernel ) |
| 06:09.33 | tbsaunde | Funar: ok, yeah I'll be around for a while and can help with that |
| 06:09.44 | tbsaunde | voed: how does usb and or sound look? |
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| 06:10.32 | voed | tbsaunde: to start with the troubleshooting, may i know, how to look at the warning/errors that i get when the system starts ? where does it gets logged ? |
| 06:10.41 | voed | i.e. the filename. |
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| 06:11.14 | tbsaunde | voed: /var/log/syslog /var/log/dmesg and a couple others in /var/log/ |
| 06:11.36 | tbsaunde | voed: I've never ebuged this sort of thing that way, but maybe it'll work? |
| 06:11.49 | tbsaunde | Funar: how far done is the install? |
| 06:12.41 | voed | tbsaunde: http://pastebin.com/RVgWF9Hn << those are the errors i get |
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| 06:14.40 | Funar | well i selected 'web server' and that just took forever to download and is currently isntalling |
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| 06:15.48 | tbsaunde | Funar: ok, so most of the way :) |
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| 06:16.20 | Funar | :D yeaahh |
| 06:16.32 | tbsaunde | voed: those errors mean nothing to me, I'd use lspci -v to look at what hardware you have, and we can go from there |
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| 06:17.06 | Funar | well it would probably take even longer if i select file server and a few other things right? |
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| 06:17.12 | KnightStalk | Hey Guys |
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| 06:17.29 | tbsaunde | Funar: yeah more files etc |
| 06:17.37 | KnightStalk | I want to install Debian on my i686 CPU which package is for me? |
| 06:18.13 | voed | tbsaunde: here's the list >> http://pastebin.com/4FpaA3Yf |
| 06:18.26 | tbsaunde | ! tell KnightStalk about install |
| 06:18.27 | KnightStalk | i386 package installs for everyone and its optimized for i386 or it just installs on i386 CPUs? |
| 06:18.38 | brbrbr | "optimized" ? |
| 06:18.42 | KnightStalk | Yep |
| 06:19.05 | brbrbr | consider its "not optimized for later CPU's" |
| 06:19.10 | tbsaunde | KnightStalk: i396 is anything x86 or will do x86_64 |
| 06:19.10 | KnightStalk | I already saw that |
| 06:19.15 | brbrbr | rather than "optimized for 386" |
| 06:19.25 | llanero | i386 covers too much ground to consider it optimized |
| 06:19.31 | KnightStalk | there are NO i686 or i5 in there? |
| 06:19.43 | llanero | it does work with i686 |
| 06:19.49 | llanero | i5 is not an arch |
| 06:20.06 | tbsaunde | KnightStalk: for i5 I believe you want amd64 /x86_64 |
| 06:20.25 | KnightStalk | I meant i586 |
| 06:20.35 | brbrbr | i guess he mean "AMD64" arch. built-in large L2/L3, AMD64/EMT64 instructions and etc |
| 06:20.36 | llanero | i386 works with i586 and i686 |
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| 06:20.43 | KnightStalk | okay thanks |
| 06:20.45 | KnightStalk | :D |
| 06:20.51 | brbrbr | i386 even worx with my toaster |
| 06:20.57 | llanero | and your i5 works with i386 aswell |
| 06:21.23 | voed | tbsaunde: http://pastebin.com/6HvQtZ3Z | sorry, this is the result of "lspci -v" when invoked by a "root" user. |
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| 06:23.17 | Arrowmaster | lenny wont even install on a 386 or a 486 afaik so i386 means optimized for 586/686 |
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| 06:25.35 | tbsaunde | voed: np, this I don't think I'll see something new, to be honest, I'm not sure |
| 06:25.50 | tbsaunde | voed: sound you said was a usb dongle right? |
| 06:26.05 | KnightStalk | Ubuntu i386 worked on my i386 |
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| 06:26.21 | KnightStalk | and also did on 586 |
| 06:26.25 | voed | tbsaunde: usb dongle ? |
| 06:26.27 | KnightStalk | but failed on 686 =( |
| 06:26.39 | KnightStalk | so I am going to try Debian :D |
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| 06:27.14 | tbsaunde | voed: does this box have built in audio? I thought you said it was a usb audio thing? |
| 06:27.53 | tbsaunde | voed: how have yo u been testing usb? |
| 06:28.26 | voed | nope. |
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| 06:28.38 | voed | this system does has built-in audio. |
| 06:28.54 | voed | USB doesn't gets recognised, either. |
| 06:29.10 | tbsaunde | voed: ok, interesting, I don't remember seeing a audio device |
| 06:29.26 | tbsaunde | voed: what do you mean doesn't get recognized? |
| 06:29.43 | llanero | some devices are on the usb bus even though theyre internal, try lsusb -v |
| 06:30.08 | voed | tbsaunde: the light on the usb, blinks for a while, but it doesn't shows any icon inside /.../media |
| 06:31.11 | tbsaunde | voed: wwhat does ls /dev/sd> look like before you plug in a usb drive and after |
| 06:31.34 | tbsaunde | s/sd>/sd?/ |
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| 06:31.50 | tbsaunde | lsusb after pluging it in would be interesting too |
| 06:32.04 | voed | okay, lemme grab a usb, and check :p |
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| 06:35.32 | voed | tbsaunde: can't find the usb, idk, where did i put. Let's start with the sound part, hehe. I've a headphone which works :) and inbuilt audio in the monitor too :), and a couple of songs :) |
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| 06:37.18 | tbsaunde | voed: ok, that's the one I have less idea were to start, can I see lsusb -v? I'd like to know what hardware it is then we'll probably want to ask google unless someone knows something about it |
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| 06:38.40 | voed | tbsaunde: http://pastebin.com/2KVnPsKq << that's the output of lsusb -v :) |
| 06:38.49 | vallhalla | hello all |
| 06:40.28 | voed | vallhalla: looking for some help? !ask > vallhalla |
| 06:41.30 | vallhalla | no here to help if i can :) but thankyou |
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| 06:43.24 | jmut | I got file --mime-encoding showing iso-8859-1 (i think it's supposed to be cyrillic something) but on dpkg-reconfigure I see tons of iso-8859-1 how do I know which one is the right one so I can read file contents properly |
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| 06:44.15 | jmut | I think it should be ru something but don's see such locale |
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| 06:44.57 | ddvdd | hi |
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| 06:45.14 | jmut | there is ru_RU ISO-8859-5 but not ru_RU ISO-8859-1 any pointers how I can address this? |
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| 06:45.28 | tbsaunde | voed: I think I see something that might be a usb drive? what do you get from ls /dev/sd? |
| 06:45.38 | ForgeAus | is it safe still to pin debian packages behind ubuntu? |
| 06:45.57 | ddvdd | coule any one help me to install kernel files after debootstraping a base system ? |
| 06:46.12 | ForgeAus | if so whats the current release name? |
| 06:46.13 | ddvdd | i/m in squeeze |
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| 06:46.41 | MoMo | my alsa driver is running at 2 bytes per second -- is that decent? the sound .. sounds like shit like the bass is blown, but i don't know if its the speakers or the driver |
| 06:46.45 | voed | tbsaunde: http://pastebin.com/FAPUih98 :) here's the output. |
| 06:46.56 | ForgeAus | ddvidd wouldn't installing the kernel just be a matter of apt-getting them? |
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| 06:47.53 | ForgeAus | apt-cache search kernel should show you the kernel packages then apt-get install the appropriate one |
| 06:48.55 | vallhalla | !debootstrap |
| 06:48.55 | dpkg | debootstrap can create a basic Debian system from scratch, without apt/dpkg. Useful for installing in a <chroot>. It is key to installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux system, ask me about <install guide>. http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap http://www.debian-administration.org/article/Installing_new_Debian_systems_with_debootstrap |
| 06:49.45 | tbsaunde | voed: do you have two hard drives? you have 2 drives, sdb looks a lot like a usb rive to me |
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| 06:50.17 | voed | tbsaunde: yes, i got 2 hard drives. |
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| 06:50.55 | tbsaunde | voed: oh, ok then that isn't a hard drive probably 1 has a bunch of partitions and the other just has1 right? |
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| 06:52.40 | vallhalla | voed: is one of your drives ide and the other sata? |
| 06:53.27 | voed | /dev/sda1 = Windows, /dev/sda2 = where, debian and gentoo's iso are stored, /dev/sda3 = root.... /dev/sda4 = swap << 1 HARD DRIVE |
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| 06:53.42 | voed | tbsaunde: both are sata , and i've enabled RAID |
| 06:55.04 | voed | the 2nd hard drive does only has 1 partition containing "some ebooks, photos, and encrypted personal information." |
| 06:55.05 | tbsaunde | voed: oh, ok sdb might well be usb then |
| 06:55.14 | voed | tbsaunde: if that's so, maybe. |
| 06:55.56 | tbsaunde | voed: you say raid, but you only have two drives with idfferent stuff, I'm confused |
| 06:56.18 | vallhalla | voed: there is a chance that one drive could be under /dev/h* instead |
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| 06:56.22 | tbsaunde | voed: quick test mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt and tell me if thats the usb drive or the secnd drive |
| 06:56.33 | tbsaunde | voed: that two |
| 06:56.39 | voed | ok.. |
| 06:56.55 | voed | tbsaunde: i'm not sure, how /mnt works though ;) |
| 06:57.26 | llanero | its a dir for mounting stuff on it |
| 06:57.44 | tbsaunde | voed: yeah same as any other dir |
| 06:58.04 | voed | tbsaunde: /dev/sdb1 is my other hard drive, confirmed |
| 06:58.55 | tbsaunde | voed: ok, can I see lsusb without -v I just want to see if it sees anything, just check if they are all hubs or if any look different |
| 06:58.55 | airbrush | my usb is sda1 |
| 06:59.15 | ddvdd | I have a wirelss usb dongle that can't be supported by the latest squeeze with kernel version 2.6.32...when I add vendor and product id by echo to /sys/drivers...it can not find the ap of best signal ,just those aps of weak sigal in iwlist scan... |
| 06:59.26 | ddvdd | what's wrong |
| 06:59.26 | ddvdd | ?????????????// |
| 06:59.27 | tbsaunde | airbrush: in this case sda is a hard drive |
| 06:59.42 | airbrush | oh |
| 06:59.43 | voed | tbsaunde: http://pastebin.com/gHwRzH1H :) here's the output of lsusb without -v parameter. |
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| 07:00.08 | ddvdd | any debian devepers here?????????????///////sosssssssssssssssssssssss |
| 07:00.39 | ddvdd | the wireless chip is zd1211 |
| 07:01.02 | ddvdd | heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeelllllllllllllllllllllp |
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| 07:01.15 | vallhalla | voed: quick question is the usb drive a new one or does it have things on it? |
| 07:01.57 | voed | tbsaunde: the usb drive isn't faulty at all, it works :), it may 've some stuff. |
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| 07:02.24 | voed | tbsaunde: the sound and usb worked, until a recent "incident" :( |
| 07:02.58 | vallhalla | voed: does it show up if you launch gparted then look in the devices list of gparted? |
| 07:03.06 | tbsaunde | voed: kernel you upgrade you mean? |
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| 07:03.51 | tbsaunde | voed: the 2.6.30 kernels might still be in the repo and maybe worth I try if you can't get this to work I'm not sure though |
| 07:04.27 | tbsaunde | I don't know of any other case where a newer kernel broke required firmware that wasn't needed before |
| 07:04.28 | voed | nope, a self-claimed technician, mounted a faulty SMPS and then he changed the SMPS again, because it blew off, for a second. |
| 07:04.36 | Lazy^ | Hello, how i can deny sftp / scp usage for certaing users. So they are only allowed to connect / use ssh |
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| 07:05.38 | tbsaunde | voed: ok |
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| 07:06.20 | voed | i am not sure, what's wrong though, because the system identifies the audio adapter |
| 07:06.30 | voed | same with usb. |
| 07:06.36 | voed | but i can't get them t o work. |
| 07:07.48 | macrobat | ddvdd: http://sourceforge.net/projects/zd1211/develop "devepers" :) |
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| 07:08.08 | MrTorque | What's wrong with the config? |
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| 07:08.56 | tbsaunde | voed: it is an interesting one, this is someplace I freely admit I don't have many ideas |
| 07:09.32 | voed | tbsaunde: no problem, glad you tried to help :) |
| 07:09.38 | tbsaunde | voed: did they work with the old kernel? |
| 07:09.44 | ddvdd | macrobat,I would make advice to them add support to huawei-3com product! |
| 07:09.58 | tbsaunde | voed: np, hope google can where I can't |
| 07:10.01 | voed | tbsaunde: nope. it *worked* before the incident. |
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| 07:10.14 | ddvdd | vendorid:productid====1472:0007 |
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| 07:10.39 | macrobat | ddvdd: maybe there is a module driver for it already and you just have to modprobe it |
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| 07:10.49 | tbsaunde | voed: did the incident take place before the kernel upgrade? if so I take it in between you didn't notice if it worked |
| 07:10.53 | macrobat | ,pciid 1472:0007 |
| 07:10.56 | judd | [1472:0007] is 'Unknown device' from 'DAIKIN Industries, Ltd' with no known kernel module in lenny or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1472:0007 |
| 07:11.03 | macrobat | aha |
| 07:11.32 | ddvdd | macrobat,really?but my wirelss dongle is usb ....not matter? |
| 07:11.34 | voed | tbsaunde: it happened well, before the kernel upgrade, and i did tried a lot.. i was using Fedora back then. |
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| 07:12.34 | tbsaunde | voed: and it worked or didn't? |
| 07:12.37 | ddvdd | I dont't know why it can not fine the ap of best signal after echo two ids to /sys/drivers...!!!!!!!!!! |
| 07:12.45 | ddvdd | that's the matter |
| 07:13.13 | ddvdd | however it can recognize other aps! |
| 07:13.18 | voed | tbsaunde: it did, before a self-claimed technician, mounted a faulty SMPS and then he changed the SMPS again, because it blew off, for a second. |
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| 07:13.48 | voed | tbsaunde: i was using Fedora before and after that event, without any kernel changes, either. |
| 07:14.00 | voed | and i tested it well, but didn't work. |
| 07:14.04 | tbsaunde | voed: and after that no work? even with fedora, if so I'd be inclined to believe its a hardware problem, but don't know :( |
| 07:14.21 | ddvdd | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:14.46 | ddvdd | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:14.50 | tbsaunde | voed: SMPS? |
| 07:14.51 | Funar | well the installation finished |
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| 07:14.57 | voed | tbsaunde: same, i believe it's a h/w problem, but i am not sure about "what's wrong". |
| 07:15.04 | Funar | and then some graphics thing fucked up |
| 07:15.09 | Funar | but i gave it a nice reboot |
| 07:15.23 | niklaswe | acw |
| 07:15.28 | tbsaunde | Funar: ok so you're in the new system? |
| 07:15.29 | Funar | yeah its still having some kind of graphical messup |
| 07:15.34 | voed | tbsaunde: switching mode power supply for motherboard and other pheripherals. |
| 07:15.39 | Funar | its like green squiggly lines |
| 07:15.41 | Funar | on black |
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| 07:16.13 | tbsaunde | Funar: ok, sound like some kind of strange graphics driver issue |
| 07:16.23 | Funar | soo... |
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| 07:16.48 | tbsaunde | voed: that could f up all sorts of things if it blew of so I can't say failed hardware would completely suprise me :( |
| 07:17.35 | Funar | god damn |
| 07:17.35 | tbsaunde | Funar: did you what happened in the install when this happened? was it the time to reboot thing? |
| 07:17.43 | Funar | yeah |
| 07:17.46 | Funar | i mean it rebooted |
| 07:17.47 | voed | tbsaunde: Everything kept working since then, except these two things. I kind of have doubt, if Input/Output Channel 's some part is corrupt ? |
| 07:17.56 | Funar | and then after all the loading text |
| 07:18.08 | Funar | it freezes at this black and green squiggly lined screen |
| 07:18.20 | Funar | keyboard-capslock light won't turn on either |
| 07:18.20 | tbsaunde | Funar: you installed a gui desktop? |
| 07:18.42 | Funar | yeah |
| 07:18.43 | Funar | gnome |
| 07:18.52 | tbsaunde | voed: maybe, is the mobo under warentee? I'd poke them if I could |
| 07:18.57 | Funar | wait no |
| 07:18.59 | Funar | xfce |
| 07:19.06 | tbsaunde | Funar: can you try control alt f1 then? |
| 07:19.23 | Funar | got nothing |
| 07:19.42 | tbsaunde | Funar: as in black screen or same? |
| 07:19.52 | Funar | same black and green screen |
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| 07:20.27 | tbsaunde | Funar: hm, so your graphics driver is realing screwing up :( |
| 07:20.35 | Funar | how do i fix this |
| 07:20.52 | tbsaunde | Funar: hm, let me think for a minute |
| 07:21.04 | Funar | i'm trying single user mode while you think |
| 07:21.10 | voed | tbsaunde: maybe, or not. the warantee might be ending soon. i don't know, if there's some HP website, where we can look up that info. by inputting the Product ID. |
| 07:21.12 | tbsaunde | Funar: good plan |
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| 07:21.31 | tbsaunde | voed: good luck :) |
| 07:21.49 | Funar | o oops |
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| 07:21.54 | Funar | i entered some kind of maintenance thing |
| 07:21.57 | Funar | by typing my password |
| 07:21.58 | Funar | lol |
| 07:22.02 | tbsaunde | Funar: I think that is the way to go, we'll just upgrade the kernel since you need to for wireless anyway |
| 07:22.11 | Funar | ok |
| 07:22.19 | Funar | so i'll need to have the kernel on a flashdrive right? |
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| 07:22.45 | tbsaunde | Funar: you did single user mode, thats what its for |
| 07:22.49 | voed | Funar: you're in the CUI mode ;) .. i think, you've problems with the video drivers |
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| 07:22.57 | don_martino | i found this nfs bug http://bugs.debian.org/523160. this bug describes a sarge nfs server and a sid client. i have squeeze server and client. but the client is an initrd. does the ramdisk make any difference? can i report my problem to the same bug? |
| 07:22.58 | Funar | o |
| 07:23.04 | tbsaunde | Funar: that would be the easy way, or we can reuse the install cd |
| 07:23.10 | Funar | ok how |
| 07:24.07 | tbsaunde | Funar: boot from cd get to the point were disks have been auto detected etc, but *on't* partition them |
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| 07:24.20 | tbsaunde | *don't* rather |
| 07:24.42 | Funar | ok |
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| 07:25.10 | tbsaunde | Funar: tell me when you're there |
| 07:25.18 | Funar | i'm at 'installer boot menu' |
| 07:25.52 | tbsaunde | Funar: install is fine, just *don't* go past the point where you partition the disk |
| 07:26.09 | Funar | kk |
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| 07:27.09 | krambiorix | hi guys |
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| 07:27.55 | krambiorix | i have a script and i want to execute it with www-data . But i only can run it as root |
| 07:28.04 | krambiorix | can someone tell me what i need to change? |
| 07:29.11 | tbsaunde | krambiorix: the user www-data needs to be able to execute it so they need execute and read permission |
| 07:29.44 | krambiorix | tbsaunde, it has these: -rwxr-xr-x 1 www-data root |
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| 07:30.55 | Funar | ok |
| 07:30.56 | Funar | i'm at |
| 07:31.02 | Funar | Partition Disks |
| 07:31.26 | tbsaunde | krambiorix: not sure then, that looks good, but I might be missing something :( |
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| 07:31.41 | tbsaunde | Funar: ok hit f3 or f4 to get a shell |
| 07:31.59 | Funar | yeah nope |
| 07:32.01 | Funar | that didn't do anything |
| 07:32.32 | tbsaunde | Funar: I'm an idiot :p alt f3 or alt f4 then enter |
| 07:33.00 | Funar | thats what i thought lol |
| 07:33.02 | Funar | i'm ther |
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| 07:34.54 | tbsaunde | Funar: ok, mount your root partition on /mnt |
| 07:35.13 | Funar | (how?) |
| 07:35.25 | Funar | i'm a beginner :) i'll be more experienced after this here installation |
| 07:35.41 | tbsaunde | Funar: sure, np |
| 07:35.52 | tbsaunde | Funar: do you rememere which partition root is on? |
| 07:35.59 | Funar | the first one |
| 07:36.02 | tbsaunde | arg typing |
| 07:36.19 | tbsaunde | Funar: ok run this mount /dev/sda1 /mnt |
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| 07:36.31 | Funar | ah not found |
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| 07:36.50 | tbsaunde | Funar: how about mount /dev/hda1 /mnt |
| 07:37.07 | voed | is there any workaround for : An error occured while accessing 'xxx', the system responded: org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.Volume.PermissionDenied: Refusing to mount device /dev/sda2 for uid = 1000." ? |
| 07:37.24 | Funar | permission denied |
| 07:37.49 | voed | Funar: there's no need to be root, to mount file systems :p |
| 07:37.54 | tbsaunde | Funar: hm thats strange, you should be root in the installer |
| 07:38.16 | Funar | -/bin/sh: /dev/hda1: Permission denied |
| 07:38.21 | Funar | that's what it says lol |
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| 07:38.32 | tbsaunde | Funar: if you have a second computer and a usb drive that way may be easier for you |
| 07:38.38 | Funar | well |
| 07:38.40 | voed | Funar: sorry, i thought you were replying me. |
| 07:38.42 | Funar | this is the second computer |
| 07:38.52 | Funar | ooo sorry voed |
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| 07:39.44 | tbsaunde | Funar: but you have one that is connected to the internet that you are ircing from, do you have a usb drive? acutally, we can steel from the cd if you don't |
| 07:40.00 | Funar | yep i have a usb drive |
| 07:40.06 | Funar | lots of em lol |
| 07:40.41 | tbsaunde | Funar: I'll find a link to download a kenel package, hold on |
| 07:40.47 | Funar | thanks! |
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| 07:41.57 | tbsaunde | Funar: you'r amd64 or or x86? |
| 07:42.03 | Funar | x85 |
| 07:42.04 | Funar | 6* |
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| 07:50.24 | OpenTokix | x65 =) |
| 07:51.19 | Funar | nooess |
| 07:51.55 | tbsaunde | Funar: sorry, I don't know a good way to find the link, but I'll get it |
| 07:52.16 | Funar | wait |
| 07:52.21 | Funar | i got a rescue mode shell open |
| 07:52.24 | Funar | on /dev/hda1 |
| 07:52.42 | Funar | with networking enabled as well |
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| 07:53.23 | Funar | tbsaunde! |
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| 07:55.04 | tbsaunde | Funar: so you'r booted from hard drive, and have wireless? |
| 07:55.11 | Funar | no... |
| 07:55.13 | Funar | i'm booted from cd |
| 07:55.23 | Funar | with an 'interactive shell on /dev/hda1' |
| 07:55.26 | Funar | with wireless |
| 07:55.44 | tbsaunde | Funar: ok, cool |
| 07:56.04 | tbsaunde | Funar: can you run mount and tell me were /dev/hda1 is mounted? |
| 07:56.15 | tbsaunde | *where |
| 07:56.18 | Funar | so /dev/hda1 /mnt? |
| 07:56.27 | Funar | actually |
| 07:56.30 | Funar | it's mounted at |
| 07:56.33 | Funar | lol |
| 07:56.36 | Funar | /dev/hda1 |
| 07:57.16 | tbsaunde | Funar: no, that's whats mounted, there should be another path, thats where it is mounted |
| 07:57.26 | Funar | how do i get that |
| 07:57.35 | Funar | blah |
| 07:57.38 | tbsaunde | Funar: run mount as just mount |
| 07:57.40 | Funar | o |
| 07:57.50 | tbsaunde | Funar: then read the line that has hda1 in it |
| 07:58.06 | Funar | /dev/hda1 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro) |
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| 07:58.42 | tbsaunde | Funar: oh, interesting its on root |
| 07:58.58 | Funar | well maybe that's cause of the rescue mode i entered |
| 07:59.02 | Funar | from the cd |
| 07:59.18 | tbsaunde | Funar: maybe? |
| 07:59.40 | Funar | i mean i have no idea |
| 07:59.46 | Funar | but i did enter rescue mode from the cd |
| 07:59.54 | Funar | and then select /dev/hda1 |
| 07:59.57 | Funar | i dont remember for what |
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| 08:00.20 | tbsaunde | Funar: ok now I have a question you need a newer kernel, you can get it from backports or upgrade to testing instead of stable |
| 08:00.36 | Funar | backports is a good idea |
| 08:00.46 | Funar | the other guy said i need that for running my wireless |
| 08:00.59 | tbsaunde | Funar: this is a personal machine right? you may want to run testing not sure though |
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| 08:01.07 | tbsaunde | Funar: a new kernel you mean? |
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| 08:01.44 | voed | tbsaunde: how about the HAL error (KDE,Debian) while mounting partitions ? is there a workaround yet? |
| 08:01.52 | Funar | yeah a new kernel |
| 08:01.55 | Funar | from backports |
| 08:01.59 | Funar | so that my wireless actuallt works |
| 08:02.29 | tbsaunde | voed: things I never go near include hal, you can always hand mount with mount |
| 08:02.39 | tbsaunde | Funar: yeah |
| 08:02.48 | tbsaunde | ! tell Funar about backports |
| 08:02.52 | voed | sure, you can :) |
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| 08:03.15 | tbsaunde | Funar: actually |
| 08:03.35 | tbsaunde | ! tell Funar about backports.org |
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| 08:03.49 | tgywa | Hello |
| 08:03.58 | llanero | hi |
| 08:04.15 | tgywa | how can I prevent malware 8080 ? |
| 08:04.16 | Funar | ok. now what |
| 08:04.17 | tbsaunde | Funar: add the line dpkg gave you to /etc/apt/sources.list, and run aptitude update |
| 08:04.36 | tgywa | http://www.whitefirdesign.com/resources/port-8080-malware.html |
| 08:04.40 | Funar | by doing that single user thing |
| 08:04.40 | Funar | right |
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| 08:06.04 | Funar | HEY |
| 08:06.06 | tbsaunde | Funar: run apt-cache search linux-image | grep 2.6.32 |
| 08:06.08 | Funar | this time i have permissions |
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| 08:06.18 | Funar | on that single user thing |
| 08:06.39 | Funar | oh command not fonud |
| 08:07.10 | tbsaunde | Funar: you need to get the name of a kernel package that's new, and that command should get you a couple options |
| 08:07.38 | Funar | but my wireless doesn't work |
| 08:07.40 | tbsaunde | Funar: hm how about just apt-cache search linux-image |
| 08:07.59 | Funar | oh that worked this time |
| 08:08.02 | tbsaunde | Funar: what? you said it was working a few minutes ago |
| 08:08.06 | Funar | i've got a massive list |
| 08:08.20 | Funar | yeah but i rebooted cause i thought i was in the wrong place |
| 08:08.26 | Funar | i can get there again relatively easily |
| 08:08.28 | Funar | if you want |
| 08:08.31 | tbsaunde | Funar: yeah, I wanted to see which wasn't there |
| 08:09.04 | tbsaunde | Funar: run apt-cache search linux-image-2.6.32-3 that should get a shorter list :) |
| 08:09.53 | Funar | using the rescue mode on the cd or the CUI that has no wireless yet |
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| 08:10.59 | tbsaunde | Funar: rescue mode on cd, we need internet |
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| 08:11.22 | Funar | yes sir |
| 08:11.42 | tbsaunde | Funar: sir aint needed :-) |
| 08:11.54 | Funar | :P, what do you do when you aren't helpin people here? |
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| 08:12.53 | tbsaunde | Funar: program, go to school :) |
| 08:13.28 | Funar | Question: Which rescue operation do i want? "Execute a shell in /dev/hda1", "Execute a shell in the installer environment" |
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| 08:13.44 | tbsaunde | /dev/hda1 |
| 08:14.02 | Funar | ooo what do you program |
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| 08:14.19 | tbsaunde | Funar: c mostly, some other stuff too |
| 08:14.32 | Funar | what do you program specifically |
| 08:15.13 | tbsaunde | Funar: random crap for work and school, I spend a bit of free time hacking on opentts (text to speech stuff) |
| 08:15.19 | Funar | damnit |
| 08:15.22 | Funar | i got zero results again |
| 08:15.37 | Funar | the last thing i have is |
| 08:15.48 | tbsaunde | Funar: ok you'r in the cd and have internet right? |
| 08:15.53 | Funar | "linux-image-2.6.32-trunk-686 - linux 2.6.32 for modern PCs" |
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| 08:15.59 | Funar | yeah it configured the internet |
| 08:16.08 | Funar | but i think if you use a shell on your harddrive |
| 08:16.12 | Funar | that configuration goes away |
| 08:16.13 | tbsaunde | Funar: ok run apt-get update |
| 08:16.27 | Funar | wait |
| 08:16.28 | Funar | one sec |
| 08:16.31 | Funar | lemme see if that works |
| 08:16.37 | tgywa | how can I prevent malware 8080 ? |
| 08:16.45 | Funar | nope same thing |
| 08:16.55 | tbsaunde | Funar: if you reboot of course that configuration goes away |
| 08:17.05 | Funar | i didn't reboot |
| 08:17.11 | tbsaunde | Funar: you run apt-get update and what happens? |
| 08:17.25 | tgywa | the malware injects malicious contents to webpages |
| 08:17.34 | Funar | hit http://ftp.us.debian.org lenny release.gpg |
| 08:17.39 | Funar | hit hit hit hit hit Ign ign ign |
| 08:17.39 | Funar | hit |
| 08:17.46 | Funar | reading package lists.... done |
| 08:18.06 | tbsaunde | Funar: ok, cool and the backports entry is in sources.list right? |
| 08:18.26 | Funar | err no |
| 08:18.59 | Funar | kk i tried it |
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| 08:19.05 | Funar | and 'deb: command not found' |
| 08:19.15 | tbsaunde | Funar: remeber the what dpkg told you put what it told you sources.list |
| 08:19.46 | Funar | i dont know what sources.list is |
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| 08:20.47 | tbsaunde | Funar: ok, run cd /etc/apt/ |
| 08:21.19 | tbsaunde | Funar: then nano sources.list you'll be in a text editor |
| 08:21.38 | Funar | error opening terminal: bterm |
| 08:21.39 | tbsaunde | Funar: then add this line to that file |
| 08:21.41 | tbsaunde | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:21.54 | tbsaunde | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:22.02 | Funar | i couldn't open nano |
| 08:22.03 | tbsaunde | Funar: accept as one line not two |
| 08:22.15 | tbsaunde | Funar: nano wasn't found? |
| 08:22.21 | Funar | because 'error opening terminal: bterm." |
| 08:23.32 | tbsaunde | Funar: ok then run echo 'deb http://www.backports.org/debian lenny-backports main contrib non-free' >> sources.list |
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| 08:24.19 | Funar | ok i assume it worked |
| 08:24.20 | Funar | lol |
| 08:24.24 | Funar | now what |
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| 08:24.32 | Funar | aptitude update |
| 08:24.36 | Funar | aptitude install blah blah |
| 08:24.38 | Funar | ? |
| 08:25.02 | tbsaunde | Funar: yyes aptitude update, then we'll sort out the kernel |
| 08:25.07 | Funar | kk |
| 08:25.49 | Funar | now what |
| 08:25.55 | Funar | i aptitude updatde |
| 08:26.07 | tbsaunde | Funar: apt-cache search linux-image-2.6.32-3 |
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| 08:26.35 | tbsaunde | Funar: find the one with 686 at the end |
| 08:26.38 | Funar | zero results |
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| 08:26.57 | Funar | and the list looks the same as when i searched earlier |
| 08:27.35 | tbsaunde | Funar: I thought you said 0 results? |
| 08:27.40 | Funar | maybe i should do all 3 steps mentioned by dpkg |
| 08:27.59 | Funar | oh well i did apt-cache search linux-image |
| 08:28.02 | Funar | to see what i'd get |
| 08:28.11 | Funar | and it was the same as last time |
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| 08:28.25 | tbsaunde | Funar: that can't hurt |
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| 08:29.31 | Funar | okk |
| 08:29.32 | Funar | but now what lol |
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| 08:30.48 | Funar | how do you stop a ping |
| 08:30.53 | Flashtek | ctrl+c |
| 08:31.01 | tbsaunde | Funar: was there any items that said 2.6.32 in the list? |
| 08:31.05 | Funar | yes |
| 08:31.08 | Funar | all of them basically |
| 08:31.14 | Funar | just none of them said 2.6.32-3 |
| 08:31.17 | Funar | they ended with like -2 |
| 08:31.18 | Funar | at the most |
| 08:31.30 | tbsaunde | Funar: oh, yeah backports sorry |
| 08:31.42 | Funar | you want backports in there? |
| 08:31.43 | tbsaunde | Funar: pick the 686 one and give me its name |
| 08:32.02 | Funar | linux-image-2.6.32-trunk-686 - Linux 2.6.32 for modern Pcs |
| 08:32.02 | tbsaunde | Funar: no, your using backports not testing |
| 08:32.06 | Flashtek | Anyone in here know much about ARM port of Debian ? |
| 08:32.11 | Funar | theres also |
| 08:32.36 | Funar | 2.6.32-bpo.4-686 - Linux 2.6.32 for modern Pcs |
| 08:32.42 | tbsaunde | Flashtek: not really, meaning to setup a vm though |
| 08:32.58 | tbsaunde | Funar: ok that one you pasted looks goood aptitude install it |
| 08:33.36 | Funar | aptitude install linux-image.2.6.32-bpo.4-686 ? |
| 08:34.02 | tbsaunde | Funar: yes |
| 08:34.14 | Flashtek | tbsaunde: is here the right place to be asking questions about it ? |
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| 08:34.48 | Funar | ok lol good |
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| 08:35.30 | tbsaunde | Flashtek: maybe? #debian-arm might be more helpful, but I don't really know |
| 08:35.45 | Flashtek | triess.. |
| 08:36.06 | tbsaunde | Flashtek: is the problem simple? |
| 08:36.20 | Funar | wow there's so many channels lol |
| 08:36.24 | MrTorque | I messed up my dovecot installation and can not find out why. earlier this day i was able to send and receive mails from my server (debian, postfix, dovecat). now i can send mails but not receive. if i test with my private mail, i do not occur an error nor i get an delivery error. how do i debug that? |
| 08:36.34 | Funar | linux-related channels i might be more specific |
| 08:36.42 | Flashtek | tbsaunde: maybe.. wvdial fails to run properly.. |
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| 08:37.17 | Flashtek | tbsaunde: there is only an unofficial channel.. |
| 08:37.33 | Flashtek | tbsaunde: wvdial: utils/wvtask.cc:198: WvTaskMan::WvTaskMan(): Assertion `getcontext(&get_stack_return) == 0' failed. |
| 08:37.59 | tbsaunde | Flashtek: official channels aren't on freenode, there on a different network |
| 08:38.05 | tbsaunde | Flashtek: can't help there |
| 08:38.10 | Flashtek | oh.. |
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| 08:38.54 | tbsaunde | MrTorque: send the server a mail and see what happens |
| 08:39.46 | MrTorque | tbsaunde: i did that. everything seems good (i do NOT get a mailer-daemon-failure) but the mail does not reach the server. |
| 08:39.47 | Funar | tbsaunde ok i tried to install it |
| 08:39.48 | Funar | but i got |
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| 08:40.12 | tbsaunde | MrTorque: not really sure, read your logs? |
| 08:40.17 | Funar | dpkg: error processing linux-image-blah dependency problems - leaving unconfigured |
| 08:40.17 | dpkg | funar: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
| 08:40.33 | MrTorque | tbsaunde: the logfiles dont show anything (rm /var/log/mail.* and then send a mail, there are no mail*-log files) |
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| 08:40.43 | Funar | errors were encountered while processing: |
| 08:40.45 | Funar | linux-base |
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| 08:40.56 | Funar | linux-image-2.6.32-bpo.4-686 |
| 08:41.04 | tbsaunde | ! tell Funar about pastebinit |
| 08:41.11 | Funar | i really can't pastebin it... |
| 08:41.15 | tr1p | hey there was this program in debian knoppix std called like ipsw or something, im trying to find out the name that lets you do man in middle sniff like you can put the gateway ip address then your ip address then it will log stuff from that computer? |
| 08:41.18 | Funar | unless i type everything out |
| 08:41.19 | MrTorque | tbsaunde: /var/log/mail.* is the right location, isn't it? at least they tell on http://wiki.dovecot.org/Logging |
| 08:41.27 | tbsaunde | MrTorque: increase debug level or log level setting? |
| 08:41.40 | tbsaunde | MrTorque: souns reasonable |
| 08:43.08 | tbsaunde | Funar: those two lines don't tell me anything useful |
| 08:43.20 | Funar | ok holdon |
| 08:43.25 | telmich | tr1p: dsniff |
| 08:43.26 | tbsaunde | Funar: pastebinit is a program you can install on the computer your working on |
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| 08:43.33 | Funar | yeah i just saw that lol |
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| 08:43.56 | Funar | now how do i pastebin what you want though |
| 08:45.57 | K0JIbKA | I have kernel 2.6.26-2-686 installed on former 2.6.26-1-686 both of them are possible to load in from GRUB menu. Question: what can possibly happen if I install packages <linux-image-2.6.32-bpo.2-686> and <firmware-linux-free> (required) above all? I run it on Toshiba laptop |
| 08:46.48 | tbsaunde | Funar: run aptitude -y install linux-image- blah 2>&1 > log then pastebinit log like dpkg said |
| 08:47.23 | MrTorque | tbsaunde: from what should i increase debug level? postfix or dovecot |
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| 08:47.31 | MrTorque | ? |
| 08:47.35 | tbsaunde | K0JIbKA: what do you mean, if aptitiude will do it should be fine |
| 08:47.38 | Funar | what's with the 2 > &1 |
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| 08:47.59 | tbsaunde | Funar: redirect stdout and stderror |
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| 08:48.08 | Funar | oo cool cool |
| 08:48.32 | tbsaunde | MrTorque: as not sure try both |
| 08:48.42 | K0JIbKA | tbsaunde:there's a lot of fun with Toshiba laptops. Hardware buttons, bluetooth settings, so on... |
| 08:49.36 | K0JIbKA | so far ALMOST everything is running smooth |
| 08:49.38 | tbsaunde | K0JIbKA: don't really know |
| 08:50.04 | K0JIbKA | good |
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| 08:50.52 | Funar | tbsaunde i did pastebinit -b http://pastebin.com log |
| 08:50.52 | tbsaunde | Funar: how is that going? |
| 08:50.55 | Funar | and it didn't work |
| 08:51.01 | Funar | it returned http://pastebin.com |
| 08:51.24 | K0JIbKA | is kernel able to load all new version with no stuck? |
| 08:51.40 | K0JIbKA | independent |
| 08:51.53 | tbsaunde | Funar: hm, I think dpkg mentions a couple sites |
| 08:52.12 | Funar | i tried all of them |
| 08:52.13 | Funar | :) |
| 08:52.14 | tbsaunde | K0JIbKA: what do you mean that doesn't parse |
| 08:53.22 | Funar | it should return me a url to give you right...? |
| 08:53.28 | tbsaunde | Funar: hm, can you run aptitude install linux-image blah again and tell me about the output, sorry |
| 08:53.37 | Funar | yeah sure |
| 08:53.40 | tbsaunde | Funar: yeah |
| 08:54.00 | Funar | ok here we go |
| 08:54.03 | Funar | first off |
| 08:54.14 | qwd | When I have my microphone plugged in and start the computer I get no sound. I forgot to unplug it last time, is there any way for me to reload something so I don't have to reboot to get back sound? |
| 08:54.20 | Funar | E: sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 08:54.25 | Funar | A package failed to install. trying to recover: |
| 08:54.35 | Funar | setting up linux-base (2.6...blah |
| 08:54.42 | Funar | unknown terminal: bterm |
| 08:54.55 | Funar | debconf: whiptail output the above errors, giving up! |
| 08:54.57 | K0JIbKA | GRUB lets me to boot 2.6.26-1-686 and 2.6.26-2-686 version both with single user as a variant. will it be 3rd option if I install 2.6.32-bpo.2-686? |
| 08:55.04 | tbsaunde | ,qwd alsa kernel modules |
| 08:55.22 | tbsaunde | K0JIbKA: yes |
| 08:55.24 | Funar | use of unitialized value $answer in string eq at /var/lib/dpkg/info/linux-base.postinst line 1411, <STDIN> line 2. |
| 08:55.40 | Funar | dpkg: error processing linux-base (--configure): |
| 08:55.41 | dpkg | funar: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
| 08:55.44 | K0JIbKA | tbsaunde:thanks |
| 08:55.56 | Funar | subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 255 |
| 08:56.01 | tbsaunde | Funar: I'm interested in what came just before that first line |
| 08:56.08 | Funar | damn |
| 08:56.08 | Funar | ok |
| 08:56.13 | Funar | i'll have to catch it while it's movin |
| 08:56.47 | pallgone | is wine 1.1 going to be part of squeeze? |
| 08:56.54 | tbsaunde | Funar: do aptitude install blah 2>&1 | less |
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| 08:57.19 | Funar | | or > |
| 08:57.45 | tbsaunde | Funar: | |
| 08:57.51 | Funar | kk |
| 08:57.56 | Funar | that first line didn't show up this time |
| 08:58.22 | Funar | can not write log, openpty() failed (/dev/pts not mounted?) |
| 08:58.26 | qwd | tbsaunde: not sure what to do with that |
| 08:58.27 | tbsaunde | Funar: you'll have to scroll down hit the space bar until you see an error message |
| 08:58.52 | Funar | how do i scroll back up lol |
| 08:59.09 | tbsaunde | Funar: page up |
| 08:59.15 | Funar | not working lol |
| 08:59.17 | tbsaunde | qwd: ? |
| 08:59.18 | Funar | (END) |
| 08:59.32 | Funar | ok here we go |
| 08:59.39 | Funar | errors were encountered while processing: |
| 08:59.41 | Funar | linux-base |
| 08:59.43 | tbsaunde | Funar: up arrow |
| 08:59.52 | Funar | linux-image-2.6.32-bpo.4-686 |
| 09:00.00 | Funar | E:sub-process (you know the rest of this line)( |
| 09:00.35 | tbsaunde | Funar: yeah, with out knowing why dpkg is failing I can't do much |
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| 09:00.40 | Funar | btw idk why the letters j and k are moving the screen up and down |
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| 09:01.17 | tbsaunde | Funar: its a convience to people who use vim, its a more convienent way than the arrows |
| 09:01.28 | Funar | ok how do i get out of this thing |
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| 09:01.35 | tbsaunde | Funar: q |
| 09:01.35 | Funar | i told you all of the errors |
| 09:01.36 | Funar | lol |
| 09:01.38 | qwd | tbsaunde: I asked what I can do so I don't have to reboot. "alsa kernel modules" is a clue, not something I can do, and I don't know what to do with that clue. I tried "/etc/init.d/alsa-utils restart" and that didn't fix it. |
| 09:02.19 | Funar | ok why don't we start by mounting /dev/pts? |
| 09:02.23 | tbsaunde | qwd: rmmod them and then modprobe them, the init.d script probably does this |
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| 09:03.31 | tbsaunde | Funar: that is a system /kernel thing that isn't available because youre ina minimal enviroment |
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| 09:03.46 | tbsaunde | Funar: I'm not sure how one would hand mount it |
| 09:03.55 | Funar | i did mount devpts |
| 09:03.57 | Funar | and it seemed to work |
| 09:03.58 | Funar | lol |
| 09:03.58 | tbsaunde | Funar: you can try aptitude -f install blah |
| 09:04.06 | Funar | so that error didn't show up this time |
| 09:04.10 | Funar | but it didn't do much else |
| 09:04.19 | tbsaunde | Funar: ok, cool |
| 09:04.56 | Funar | ok i think problem 2: |
| 09:05.00 | Funar | "unknown terminal: bterm" |
| 09:05.03 | tbsaunde | Funar: so you run aptitude, tell me what the firsterro is is, it should then say like exiting or something |
| 09:05.20 | tbsaunde | Funar: that shouldn't cause dpkg to exit |
| 09:05.22 | Funar | thats the first error now^ |
| 09:05.25 | Funar | it didn't exit |
| 09:05.31 | Funar | then it says.... |
| 09:05.34 | tbsaunde | Funar: next one then |
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| 09:05.44 | Funar | debconf:whiptail output the above errors, giving up! |
| 09:05.57 | Funar | dpkg: error processing linux-base (--configure): |
| 09:05.57 | dpkg | funar: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
| 09:06.06 | Funar | subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 255 |
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| 09:06.24 | tbsaunde | Funar: aptitude install whiptail maybe? |
| 09:07.08 | lgghj | I have a question about accessing files speed |
| 09:07.13 | yang | I am trying to setup client to use unencrypted wi-fi connection. Reading http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse doesn't explain how to modify /etc/network/interfaces . My current /etc/network/interfaces lines include -> iface eth1 inet dhcp ; wireless-essid open.blah.blah.net but i don't get dhcp address... |
| 09:07.16 | Funar | whiptail is alraedy installed |
| 09:07.51 | lgghj | if I got 1'000 files, should I place them in 10 directories or have them all in just one folder? |
| 09:07.56 | Funar | why don't we try to install wireless instead? |
| 09:08.03 | Funar | on the harddrive |
| 09:08.09 | Funar | so that we can use it from single-usre |
| 09:08.10 | Funar | user |
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| 09:08.16 | tbsaunde | yang: never used /etc/networking/interfaces for wireless try doing it by hand? |
| 09:08.18 | Funar | maybe |
| 09:08.21 | Funar | i dont know what i'm doing |
| 09:08.23 | Funar | =/ |
| 09:08.36 | Bushmills | lgghj: for increased search speed, "hashing" them into subdirs may be advantegous |
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| 09:08.40 | liable | hmm, this is confusing, i have two audio chips in my new laptop.. |
| 09:08.56 | tbsaunde | Funar: its ok |
| 09:09.16 | tbsaunde | Funar: you need a kernel thats what you need for wireless |
| 09:09.23 | Funar | yeahhh... |
| 09:09.28 | tbsaunde | Funar: do this cd /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
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| 09:09.33 | vallhalla | liable: audio in and audio out? |
| 09:09.39 | yang | tbsaunde: yes, I do it by editing |
| 09:09.41 | Funar | k |
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| 09:10.11 | liable | vallhalla: naw, a nvidia one, and an intel one, and alsamixer doesnt show the usual channels, and my volume keys dont work |
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| 09:10.46 | tbsaunde | Funar: dpkg -i linux-base- and then just hit the tab key it should auto complete a bunch of blah |
| 09:11.09 | Funar | it hasn't been auto-completing for me actually |
| 09:11.17 | Funar | and didn't work this time either |
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| 09:11.34 | tbsaunde | yang: that statement makes no sense try to set up wireless by using iwconfig and dhclient at a shell |
| 09:12.08 | tbsaunde | Funar: ok, then ls linux-base-* and then dpkg -i whatever it is |
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| 09:12.48 | Funar | 'cannot access linux-base-*' |
| 09:13.04 | Funar | there is thoug |
| 09:13.17 | thrashold | Can anyone tell me why is dhclient ran on shutdown? It's annoying to wait for it then. |
| 09:13.26 | Funar | linux-base_2.6.32-11~bpo50+1_all.deb |
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| 09:13.37 | Bushmills | thrashold: giving up the lease, most likely |
| 09:13.39 | tbsaunde | Funar: ok, dpkg -i that |
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| 09:14.07 | Funar | no same bterm issue |
| 09:14.15 | Funar | dpkg:error processing linux-base |
| 09:14.15 | dpkg | funar: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
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| 09:14.50 | tbsaunde | Funar: what can before those just the bterm thing and then it exited? |
| 09:15.25 | Funar | quote: |
| 09:15.27 | tbsaunde | Funar: you can try dpkg -i --force-all blah |
| 09:15.34 | Funar | ok |
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| 09:16.09 | Funar | here i'll just tell you what the thing says |
| 09:16.14 | Funar | reading database |
| 09:16.22 | Funar | preparing to replace linux-base 2.6.32 |
| 09:16.27 | Funar | unpacking replacement linux-base |
| 09:16.31 | Funar | setting up linux-base |
| 09:16.34 | Funar | unknown terminal: bterm |
| 09:16.40 | Funar | check the term environment bariable |
| 09:16.48 | Funar | also make sure that the terminal is defined in the terminfo database. |
| 09:17.01 | Funar | alternatively, set the termcap environment variable to the desired termcap entry |
| 09:17.11 | Funar | debconf: whiptail output the above errors, giving up! |
| 09:17.19 | Funar | dpkg: error processing linux-base |
| 09:17.19 | dpkg | funar: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
| 09:17.42 | Funar | that's it |
| 09:17.54 | tbsaunde | Funar: ok that's stupid, but do this TERM=linux dpkg -i blah |
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| 09:18.13 | yang | Should I put wireless-essid "node.blah.blah.net" into brackets in /etc/network/interfaces ? |
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| 09:18.43 | tbsaunde | Funar: you've downloaded what we need so, we could try rebooting into single user mode if we can't get it to work from the cd |
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| 09:19.06 | tbsaunde | yang: I don't think that should be in brackets |
| 09:19.08 | Funar | ok this time |
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| 09:19.17 | Funar | i got debconf: unknown template field _description |
| 09:19.37 | jaalto2 | What's the name of the C/C++/Make channel that I could use for programming questions? |
| 09:19.46 | Funar | in stanza #1-7 of /var/lib/dpkg/tmp.ci/templates |
| 09:19.58 | tbsaunde | jaalto2: ##c |
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| 09:20.18 | jaalto2 | tbsaunde: thanks |
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| 09:20.36 | Funar | if you want i can reboot |
| 09:20.49 | jaalto2 | I'm having trouble with Makefile::SUFFIX rules. Can anyone see why this doesn't work http://paste.lisp.org/display/100262 -- It must be real simple error that I just can't see. |
| 09:20.56 | tbsaunde | Funar: ok, thats really weird I think this is a problem in busy box on the cd I'd sugguest booting into single user mode from your box |
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| 09:21.03 | jaalto2 | Dang, wrong channel. Please ignore. |
| 09:21.05 | Funar | kk |
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| 09:21.40 | Funar | wait |
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| 09:21.44 | Funar | this time i have more options to boot from |
| 09:22.01 | tbsaunde | Funar: oh, what are they? |
| 09:22.03 | Funar | kernel 2.6.32-bpo.4 2.6.32-trunk |
| 09:22.09 | Funar | kernel 2.6.32-bpo.4 AND 2.6.32-trunk |
| 09:22.24 | tbsaunde | Funar: boot from 2.6.32 if you can, not sure it'll work though, but worth a shot |
| 09:22.39 | Funar | not single-user mode? |
| 09:22.58 | jaalto2 | What does "404 ##C Cannot send to channel" mean ? |
| 09:23.11 | Funar | wth does this mean |
| 09:23.15 | Funar | kernel panic - not syncing |
| 09:23.20 | llanero | jaalto2: /mode ##c |
| 09:23.22 | tbsaunde | Funar: why not be hopeful that 2.632 makes graphics work and try normal mode |
| 09:23.37 | Funar | im gonna take that as a no |
| 09:23.41 | Funar | since i got kernel-panic |
| 09:23.50 | jaalto2 | llanero: Shows " ##c +Ccnt" |
| 09:24.00 | Funar | i instead booted into trunk single user |
| 09:24.05 | Funar | let's install this bastard |
| 09:24.11 | Bushmills | Funar: often caused by inability to access console device file |
| 09:24.17 | tbsaunde | Funar: ok, it failed to completely install (the packages didn't install successfully, I'm not really supprised |
| 09:24.39 | Funar | ok to Bushmills, ok to tbsaunde |
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| 09:25.10 | tbsaunde | Funar: does that boot? |
| 09:25.15 | Bushmills | Funar: wrong root partition, missing /dev or such |
| 09:25.39 | Funar | yeah it booted |
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| 09:26.16 | tbsaunde | Funar: ok, now run aptitude install linux-image-blah again |
| 09:26.17 | Funar | BALLS |
| 09:26.22 | Funar | o |
| 09:26.26 | Funar | i did dpkg -i |
| 09:26.27 | Funar | instead of that |
| 09:26.29 | Funar | oops |
| 09:26.45 | tbsaunde | Funar: that shouldn't hurt anything |
| 09:26.50 | Funar | ok |
| 09:26.53 | Funar | i did what you said |
| 09:26.56 | Funar | lets see what this baby does |
| 09:26.59 | Funar | god damnit |
| 09:27.03 | Funar | more error processing errors |
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| 09:27.16 | Funar | except more specifically |
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| 09:27.33 | tbsaunde | Funar: what is it? |
| 09:27.47 | Funar | undefined subroutine &debiankernal::diskid:_system called at /var/lib/dpkg/info/linux-base.postinst line 1004, <STDIN> line 10 |
| 09:27.55 | Funar | then all the standard errors i've alreaady told you lol |
| 09:28.05 | yareckon | Hi guys/gals, need some advice.... I've moved a xen vm (etch) to virtualbox using rsync... installed non xen kernel & grub... and can't get it to boot |
| 09:28.23 | tbsaunde | Funar: ok, not really sure give me a minute |
| 09:28.28 | Funar | sure |
| 09:29.06 | Funar | btw |
| 09:29.06 | yareckon | all the guides I have looked at make this sound like an easy operation, but I have been struggling with this for a while... I never even get to grub |
| 09:29.10 | Funar | i'm connected to the internet |
| 09:29.15 | Funar | on this terminal here |
| 09:29.31 | tbsaunde | Funar: ok, thats good |
| 09:29.41 | Funar | i'm rebooting to try normal mode real quick |
| 09:29.45 | yareckon | booting with super grub disk works... but all attempts to setup an independent grub have totally failed |
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| 09:30.12 | tbsaunde | Funar: I'm really not sure how that kind of error could occur |
| 09:30.25 | Funar | ok |
| 09:30.27 | yareckon | "/boot/grub/stage1 could not be read"... and a vareity of other errors |
| 09:30.29 | Funar | sooo..... |
| 09:30.36 | Funar | how do i fix the graphics on this shit |
| 09:30.39 | Funar | the gfx are the problem |
| 09:30.57 | Funar | maybe my desktop package thing failed |
| 09:31.31 | Funar | but at least we can do all the shit without the cd now |
| 09:31.49 | tbsaunde | Funar: no, I suspect you need a proprietary driver instead of the free one you have, I'd don't know basically anything about how to do that though :( |
| 09:32.10 | yareckon | dunno if I should start over using dd instead of rsync to have a more pristine copy, but that is many GB of transfer from a remote server, and I'm not even sure if low level disk image stuff is the problem |
| 09:32.15 | Funar | well can i at least try to re-install xfce or something? |
| 09:32.18 | Funar | how would i go about that |
| 09:32.27 | Merwin | How can I log, ou slow what's showing during boot (in initramfs, before the / is mounted) |
| 09:32.31 | tbsaunde | Funar: I know basically nothing about how any graphics driver configuration works :( |
| 09:32.35 | Funar | balls |
| 09:32.36 | Funar | ok |
| 09:33.02 | yareckon | Merwin, dunno if there is a boot log somewhere in /var ? |
| 09:33.13 | Merwin | yareckon: /var is not mounted at this time :D |
| 09:33.27 | tbsaunde | Merwin: I think you'll have to be able to send it out over the net, I can't think of any other way |
| 09:33.29 | yareckon | yeah, but is it later written there or something ? |
| 09:33.35 | yareckon | ok... |
| 09:33.59 | yareckon | thought there was some type of logging of early boot stuff |
| 09:34.18 | tbsaunde | Funar: aptitude isntall xfce |
| 09:34.21 | Merwin | Or is might be possible to start a shell in the initramfs |
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| 09:34.25 | Merwin | it* |
| 09:34.29 | Funar | yeah i got that lol |
| 09:34.56 | Funar | i can at least search for things effectively |
| 09:34.59 | tbsaunde | Merwin: shell in itramfs should be possible, not sure exactly how though |
| 09:35.06 | Funar | and check to see if my wireless is configured |
| 09:35.09 | Funar | using iwconfig |
| 09:35.11 | Funar | and ping |
| 09:35.28 | Merwin | http://wiki.debian.org/InitramfsDebug =) |
| 09:35.40 | tbsaunde | Funar: aptitude renistall xfce should reinstall the package, I'm pretty sure that won't help though |
| 09:35.58 | Funar | kk |
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| 09:38.47 | tbsaunde | Funar: I can try to help get the kernel install cleaned up, but I can't really help past here with the desktop :( |
| 09:38.55 | Funar | alright |
| 09:39.08 | Funar | so why are we getting this retarded linux-base processing eror |
| 09:39.10 | Funar | error |
| 09:40.26 | Bushmills | "unknown terminal: bterm" bogl-bterm meaning anything to you? |
| 09:41.08 | tbsaunde | Funar: do this aptitude install dpkg dpkg-dev apt aptitude |
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| 09:41.56 | Funar | kk |
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| 09:42.31 | babilen | Funar: (Sorry late to the party) - What are you trying to do and what is the error? |
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| 09:42.46 | Funar | i am trying to update my kernel |
| 09:43.04 | Funar | to linux-image-2.6.32-bpo.4-686 |
| 09:43.33 | Funar | i'll pm you the random erros i'm getting |
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| 09:43.44 | babilen | Funar: No - paste them on a pastebin |
| 09:43.45 | babilen | !paste |
| 09:43.45 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>. |
| 09:43.53 | Merwin | How can I leave vi on a qwerty keyboard with no ':' ? |
| 09:44.04 | Merwin | (in initramfs) |
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| 09:44.05 | Merwin | xD |
| 09:44.07 | Funar | i tried |
| 09:44.09 | Funar | doesn't work |
| 09:44.23 | Funar | pastebinit won't send to any of those pasteing sites |
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| 09:44.51 | iceroot | Merwin: pressing the correct button for : |
| 09:44.52 | Funar | tbsaunde - install finished |
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| 09:45.04 | iceroot | Merwin: its just another keyboard-layout, so find out where the : is |
| 09:45.05 | Merwin | iceroot: I don't have such button. |
| 09:45.08 | babilen | Funar: Try "CMD_WITH_ERRORS | pastebinit -b http://yourpaste.net" |
| 09:45.10 | Funar | except everytime i run aptitude it mentions errors in processing linux-base and linux-image |
| 09:45.18 | tbsaunde | Funar: try to install linux-image again then |
| 09:45.22 | Merwin | iceroot: It's a **** notebook keyboard |
| 09:45.36 | Merwin | I tried all keys in upper/lower case |
| 09:45.55 | Funar | ko |
| 09:45.56 | Funar | ok |
| 09:46.03 | Funar | same problem |
| 09:46.28 | Funar | babilen: trying it now |
| 09:46.32 | tbsaunde | ok, iono, and need sleep |
| 09:46.39 | Funar | yeah see it didn't output a special url |
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| 09:46.48 | Funar | it outputed http://pastebin.com |
| 09:47.08 | tbsaunde | babilen: mind if I leave you here? |
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| 09:47.31 | babilen | tbsaunde: hehe - sure of you go if you have to. No obligations here |
| 09:47.43 | Funar | thanks for all your help tbsaunde |
| 09:47.49 | Funar | i'm waays more experienced already :d |
| 09:48.02 | tbsaunde | babilen: I'll stay if you want help with this, but I'm about out of ideas |
| 09:48.12 | tbsaunde | Funar: np |
| 09:48.28 | babilen | tbsaunde: Well - I need to see the errors before I can recommend something. |
| 09:48.33 | tbsaunde | babilen: do you have a gues why linux-base wouldn't install |
| 09:48.53 | babilen | Funar: Pastebinit lists a couple of other paste site in its manpage - Could you try a different one? |
| 09:48.59 | Funar | i tried all of them already |
| 09:49.03 | Funar | but i shall try them again for you |
| 09:49.12 | tbsaunde | babilen: heh, that is basically the problem, I haven't seen any great ones yet, just what looks like problems parsing the .deb :( |
| 09:49.34 | babilen | ,versions pastebinit |
| 09:49.37 | judd | pastebinit -- lenny: 0.10-2; squeeze: 1.1-1; sid: 1.1-2 |
| 09:49.47 | Funar | wheres the man page? |
| 09:50.10 | babilen | Funar: You are running lenny, don't you? And you added backports to your sources list and are now trying to install the linux-image-... ? |
| 09:50.12 | tbsaunde | Funar: man pastebinit |
| 09:50.16 | babilen | Funar: "man pastebinit" |
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| 09:50.32 | tbsaunde | babilen: correct |
| 09:50.41 | Funar | correct |
| 09:50.59 | babilen | Should work without problems .... |
| 09:51.16 | tbsaunde | babilen: you would think that |
| 09:51.29 | Funar | i thought yourpaste.net was fake LOL |
| 09:51.35 | Funar | or rather |
| 09:51.39 | babilen | Funar: If pastebinit refuses to work with any of the mentioned pastebins you can also try a console browser like w3m |
| 09:51.41 | Funar | 'insert here' |
| 09:51.50 | Funar | http://yourpaste.net/5470 |
| 09:51.54 | Funar | here you go! |
| 09:51.56 | Funar | i got it! |
| 09:52.03 | babilen | Funar: *sigh* :) |
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| 09:52.14 | Funar | sorry XD |
| 09:53.00 | Funar | but this is good news |
| 09:53.00 | Funar | now i can pastebin my errors! |
| 09:54.13 | babilen | Funar: Are you using lilo? |
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| 09:54.32 | Funar | lilo? |
| 09:54.33 | Funar | what's that |
| 09:54.56 | tbsaunde | Funar: old boot loader |
| 09:55.01 | Funar | i dont think so |
| 09:55.09 | Funar | when it installed it said 'grub' |
| 09:55.13 | babilen | !dbugs 576925 |
| 09:55.17 | dpkg | DONE:#576925:N[linux-base] [linux-base] postinst fails on undefined subroutine (pending); Thu, 08 Apr 2010 10:00:02 UTC [] |
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| 09:56.11 | tbsaunde | babilen: how did you come up with that? |
| 09:56.54 | babilen | tbsaunde: I searched for applicable bug reports |
| 09:57.13 | babilen | Funar: Give me a second while I read that bug - You can too if you want to |
| 09:57.28 | Funar | i don't really know how to read the bug |
| 09:57.30 | Funar | quite yet |
| 09:57.45 | tbsaunde | babilen: ok, that was quick for a search :) |
| 09:57.53 | babilen | Funar: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=576925 |
| 09:58.46 | Funar | as i said 'quite yet' |
| 09:58.48 | Funar | i found it |
| 09:58.51 | Funar | :) |
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| 09:59.58 | babilen | Funar: Ok - That seems to be a real bug which is fixed but the fix has probably not made it into the backported package. |
| 10:00.55 | Funar | ok |
| 10:01.02 | babilen | Funar: You have several possibilities now - You can either (i) Install a different kernel package from bpo or (ii) install linux-base from sid (manually) --- I would recommend the former. Why do you need that kernel? |
| 10:01.03 | Funar | how do i get the package then lol |
| 10:01.14 | Funar | i have no idea |
| 10:01.17 | Funar | ^.^ |
| 10:01.23 | Funar | i think it was for wifi |
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| 10:01.30 | Funar | as that was the previous issue |
| 10:01.36 | Funar | i was told i'd need a new kernel from backports |
| 10:01.39 | babilen | hehe .. |
| 10:01.54 | Funar | and tbsaunde picked this one as it was the latest 686 |
| 10:02.10 | Funar | how do i cancel this thing? |
| 10:02.16 | babilen | ok - let's check that. Paste the output of "lspci -nn|grep -i network" in here |
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| 10:03.22 | babilen | Funar: "aptitude keep-all" and "aptitude purge linux-image-2.6.32-bpo.4-amd64" |
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| 10:04.26 | Funar | kk |
| 10:04.30 | Funar | your first command did nothing |
| 10:04.49 | Funar | and that package is now no longer bothering me lol |
| 10:04.53 | Funar | what did you want to check? |
| 10:04.58 | Funar | to see if the internet was working? |
| 10:05.08 | Funar | i iwconfig-ed and it works |
| 10:05.17 | Funar | and i also ping-ed google.com and i got lots of packet sof reply |
| 10:05.22 | Funar | packets of* |
| 10:05.24 | babilen | over wireless? |
| 10:05.44 | Funar | yessir |
| 10:05.46 | babilen | Funar: The first command does something - it cancels all pending actions |
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| 10:05.55 | Funar | oo ok |
| 10:05.58 | Funar | no no |
| 10:05.59 | Funar | not that |
| 10:06.05 | Funar | i meant the lpsci command |
| 10:06.05 | [Jasper] | hej guys, how much of an effort would it be to maintain a pi-range ? |
| 10:06.09 | [Jasper] | the routing for it? |
| 10:06.14 | babilen | Which raises the question why you want to use a newer kernel :) |
| 10:06.21 | Funar | ok! |
| 10:06.26 | Funar | so i dont need a newer kernel |
| 10:06.32 | Funar | my OTHER problem |
| 10:06.35 | babilen | Funar: You mean the "lspci -nn" one? |
| 10:06.39 | Funar | graphics issue |
| 10:06.40 | telmich | [Jasper]: not as much as getting it :-) |
| 10:06.48 | iceroot | Funar: can you post everything in one line please? |
| 10:06.49 | [Jasper] | telmich....like in hours per month? |
| 10:06.59 | Funar | iceroot: yes, sorry >.> |
| 10:06.59 | telmich | [Jasper]: depends completly on you |
| 10:07.01 | [Jasper] | I'm in the process of getting one.just wondering how much effort it would take for my provider.. |
| 10:07.22 | [Jasper] | since they charge me 500 euros setup and 100 euros per month.. |
| 10:07.25 | [Jasper] | wondering if that's reasonable |
| 10:07.31 | Funar | babilen: my other problem is that when i load debian, it freezes right when 'x' loads. black screen + green lines and that's about it |
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| 10:08.16 | babilen | Funar: Just to make sure: Can you paste the output of "lscpi -nn" to a pastebin? |
| 10:08.26 | [Jasper] | telmich is it just a matter of setting up the routing once? |
| 10:08.37 | tbsaunde | Funar: what kernel are you running? if you don't remember uname -r |
| 10:09.08 | Funar | tbsaunde: 2.6.32-trunk-686 |
| 10:09.25 | Funar | babilen: lscpi: command not found |
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| 10:09.41 | tbsaunde | Funar: lspci |
| 10:09.55 | Funar | that could do it |
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| 10:10.16 | tbsaunde | Funar: then you do need a newer kernel, because you just uninstalled the one you're currently running |
| 10:10.44 | Funar | babilen: http://yourpaste.net/5471 |
| 10:11.02 | Funar | tbsaunde: i uninstalled 2.6.32-bpo.4-686 |
| 10:11.04 | babilen | tbsaunde: That is not true |
| 10:11.30 | babilen | Funar: You are running 2.6.32-trunk-686 on a lenny system? Could you please also paste the output of "apt-cache policy" and "apt-cache policy linux-image-2.6-{whatever the package is named}" |
| 10:11.46 | babilen | Funar: How did you install that kernel? |
| 10:11.54 | Funar | one sec i find you a lin |
| 10:11.54 | tbsaunde | babilen: oh, said I was tired :( |
| 10:12.21 | tbsaunde | babilen: your clearly more alert than I am so I'm off |
| 10:12.41 | babilen | tbsaunde: Good night :) |
| 10:12.52 | Funar | [10:57:29] <karlpinc> !kmuto |
| 10:12.52 | Funar | [10:57:30] <dpkg> For Debian Lenny installers with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ . The <bnx2> and <bnx2x> firmware files for Linux 2.6.32 are included in 0116 images. |
| 10:13.01 | Funar | tbsaunde good night |
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| 10:13.07 | tbsaunde | babilen: I'm curious about that too, I saw that earlier and wondered, I'm not sure |
| 10:13.21 | babilen | !tell tbsaunde -about kmuto |
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| 10:13.54 | babilen | Funar: You are already using a recent kernel if you installed with the kmuto images. |
| 10:14.09 | Funar | http://yourpaste.net/5472 to the apt-cache policy |
| 10:14.25 | tbsaunde | babilen: thanks, good morning to you :) |
| 10:14.50 | Funar | okay babilen |
| 10:14.57 | babilen | Funar: You could try to install "linux-image-2.6-amd64" (which depends on linux-image-2.6.32-bpo.3-amd64) if you want to |
| 10:15.05 | Funar | http://yourpaste.net/5473 to the apt-cache policy linux-image-2.6 etc |
| 10:15.14 | Funar | i'm running an intel processors |
| 10:15.15 | babilen | Funar: But there is no actual need to do so |
| 10:15.17 | Funar | processor* |
| 10:15.45 | Funar | okay, i shall leave my kernel the same |
| 10:15.51 | Funar | babilen: my other problem is that when i load debian, it freezes right when 'x' loads. black screen + green lines and that's about it <-- |
| 10:16.10 | babilen | Funar: Why did you try to install an amd64 kernel from backports if you actually wanted a -686 one? And amd64 is not "only AMD" |
| 10:16.18 | babilen | !tell Funar -about why amd64 |
| 10:16.34 | Funar | wait holdon |
| 10:16.39 | Funar | i didn't install an amd64 |
| 10:17.11 | Funar | i installed an -686 |
| 10:17.20 | babilen | Funar: Ah right - sorry :) |
| 10:17.26 | Funar | as uname -r yields "2.6.32-686" |
| 10:17.36 | babilen | Funar: replace -amd64 with -686 in that case :) |
| 10:17.45 | yareckon | anyone here using kvm as a server solution on debian? |
| 10:17.51 | babilen | ,pciid 1002:5446 |
| 10:17.53 | yareckon | thumbs up / down ? |
| 10:17.53 | judd | [1002:5446] is 'Rage 128 Pro Ultra TF' from 'ATI Technologies Inc' with kernel modules 'aty128fb', 'ati-agp' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1002:5446 |
| 10:18.36 | Funar | what does that mean? i need to install 'ati-agp'? |
| 10:19.22 | babilen | Funar: hang on - Could you paste /var/log/Xorg.0.log please? |
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| 10:19.40 | Funar | babilen: how? |
| 10:20.24 | Funar | is this one of those things where i go |
| 10:20.36 | Funar | nano /var/log/Xorg.0.log | pastebinit? |
| 10:21.04 | babilen | Funar: "cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | pastebinit -b http://yourpaste.net" |
| 10:21.45 | Funar | whats cat? |
| 10:22.08 | babilen | Funar: "man cat" - You might want to read a basic Linux introduction :) |
| 10:22.14 | babilen | !tell Funar about reference |
| 10:22.21 | babilen | !tell Funar about rute |
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| 10:23.38 | Funar | babilen: oh right man is for manual, yeah i'm only semi-familiar with linux, getting better though |
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| 10:24.42 | Funar | babilen: this command is taking an ass-load of time - i believe the log is extremely long |
| 10:26.31 | ForgeAus | with pin priorities which one takes preference? 600 or 700? |
| 10:26.35 | TripleDES | yareckon: I'm using it at my home server... |
| 10:27.59 | babilen | ForgeAus: The higher one (i.e. 700) |
| 10:28.24 | ForgeAus | babilen: thx :) |
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| 10:28.40 | yareckon | how is management? ok? |
| 10:29.04 | yareckon | TripleDES, how do you like it? |
| 10:29.33 | babilen | yareckon: stirred not shaken |
| 10:29.40 | ForgeAus | this is scarey is it safe to pin lenny behind ubuntu lucid? |
| 10:30.01 | babilen | ForgeAus: you don't actually plan to mix Ubuntu and Debian? |
| 10:30.05 | OpenTokix | Why on earth would you wanna do that? |
| 10:30.11 | ForgeAus | mix no prioritize yes |
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| 10:30.46 | babilen | ForgeAus: Why would you need to pin Ubuntu vs Debian if Debian knows nothing about Ubuntu repositories? |
| 10:30.49 | ForgeAus | as long as my ubuntu stays intact I don't mind adding packages from debian |
| 10:30.54 | OpenTokix | Are you planing to install debian packages into your ubuntu system? |
| 10:31.05 | lk | wth? Why? |
| 10:31.10 | Funar | babilen: why is the command still running |
| 10:31.18 | ForgeAus | you mean its not safe to do? |
| 10:31.24 | TripleDES | yareckon: I'm using it with libvirt even I already know libvirt doesn't support all the kvm features yet it's pretty useful easing the management |
| 10:31.24 | babilen | Funar: No idea - CTRL-C and start it again |
| 10:31.38 | OpenTokix | ForgeAus: no, thats like putting a ferrari engine inside a pinto. - Breaks can't handle it. |
| 10:31.39 | Funar | ok |
| 10:32.08 | ForgeAus | I thought thats what pinning packages was all about |
| 10:32.16 | babilen | !tell yareckon about virtualisation |
| 10:32.21 | ForgeAus | to give a system priority so that adding packages doesn't break it... |
| 10:32.38 | Funar | babilen: what exactly are you looking for? |
| 10:32.45 | babilen | yareckon: There you have a list of virtualisation schemes - You can ask dpkg about the things in <..> |
| 10:33.04 | Funar | babilen: i believe the file is enormous and therefore is taking a long time to process. i can view the file using nano though |
| 10:33.14 | babilen | Funar: I want to see why your X server is not working - and therefore want to take a look at the log |
| 10:33.15 | lk | ForgeAus, I think you should go ahead with it. |
| 10:33.26 | ForgeAus | lk I don't understand... |
| 10:33.40 | babilen | !tell Funar about xorg config lenny |
| 10:33.48 | ForgeAus | lk: hehe are you being devil's advocate? ... |
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| 10:34.05 | lk | ForgeAus, no, I'm just interested in hearing what it'll lead to. |
| 10:34.10 | yareckon | thanks babilen.... will probably go through those documentations, but was just wanting a subjective, chatty answer before diving in |
| 10:34.15 | TripleDES | yareckon: I see Xen has lots of scripts in xen-tools (IIRC) which also eases the management of Xen but I find KVM more kernel integrated...and to be honest the KVM setup is pretty more straightforward than Xen's |
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| 10:34.31 | ForgeAus | first I want to know how it can break a package |
| 10:34.42 | yareckon | thanks TripleDES... |
| 10:34.48 | babilen | Funar: You probably want to create a xorg.conf and edit it. You want to use the "ati" driver for your card (make sure you have xserver-xorg-video-ati installed) and you might have to define monitor ranges for you monitor |
| 10:34.53 | lk | ForgeAus, yes, because the dependencies are different enough between ubuntu and debian to lead to that. |
| 10:35.13 | Funar | let's do that |
| 10:35.32 | Funar | so... |
| 10:35.45 | yareckon | We have about a dozen physical servers, mostly running etch, and a xen host running etch and we are at the start of designing a hardware strategy for upgrades etc.. |
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| 10:36.15 | yareckon | so I will be diving into research, but hearing about experiences is crucial |
| 10:36.20 | TripleDES | yareckon: so you're considering to replace Xen with KVM? |
| 10:36.26 | babilen | yareckon: There was a long discussion about this on debian-user a while ago - You might want to search the archives ... And if you are planning a big and important migration I would strongly suggest to discuss this on the mailing list as well |
| 10:36.36 | yareckon | I know that redhat has been pushing kvm... wanted to know more about debian handling it |
| 10:36.43 | Funar | http://www.ivankristianto.com/os/ubuntu/howto-fix-ubuntu-jaunty-904-intel-graphics-problem/551/ |
| 10:36.45 | Funar | is this what i'm doing |
| 10:37.00 | ForgeAus | lk uh whats that got to do with breaking a package exactly? sorry I know what a dependancy is, and so what if they're different between distro's as long as the version is adequate for a package then why would it break? if not, then the pinning should enforce the integrity of the higher priority system |
| 10:37.18 | yareckon | yeah, this is a big important migration, that I am calling for, so noone is breathing down my neck |
| 10:37.21 | babilen | Funar: No *shudder* :) |
| 10:37.30 | ForgeAus | but I am not... experienced at this... so theres probably factors I'm unaware of |
| 10:37.32 | yareckon | we just need to migrate off etch before it gets really outdated |
| 10:37.53 | Funar | odear then, i have an xorg.conf file already at leaset |
| 10:37.59 | yareckon | but it's a good time to look down the road at the virtual / physical options |
| 10:38.18 | yareckon | we are doing too much little maintenance here and there, and have too many different configs |
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| 10:38.44 | babilen | Funar: Ok - What is the value of the Driver option in the Device section? |
| 10:38.48 | yareckon | so virtualized plus some sort of config management system should be in our future probably |
| 10:39.11 | Funar | there is none |
| 10:39.26 | yareckon | we are a debian shop, and pretty happy with it, but haven't had the investment in the upgrades etc that you need to keep a platform together |
| 10:39.43 | yareckon | standardization hasn't been something we are good at |
| 10:39.45 | TripleDES | yareckon: I have no production machines with KVM, but I'm also trying to propose changing our current Xen setup...but I need to do some testbed to see how KVM supports our current workloads |
| 10:39.47 | babilen | Funar: X -configure |
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| 10:40.32 | TripleDES | I think that'll be the only way to convince myself and management about KVM |
| 10:40.34 | Funar | and now... X - config /root/xorg.conf.new ? |
| 10:41.48 | Funar | that certainly did not work |
| 10:41.52 | Funar | graphics broke again |
| 10:41.56 | yareckon | TripleDES, I'm primarily feeling like KVM is the future, and secondarily, Xen seems to have upgrade issues because the guests aren't fully virtualized |
| 10:41.56 | babilen | Funar: no - Edit the config to suit your needs (you could paste it right now and let me have a look) and place it at /etc/X11/xorg.conf - then "startx" and try if it is working |
| 10:42.28 | Funar | wait how do i get back to shell, if i'm at this frozen graphics screen |
| 10:42.39 | lk | ForgeAus, ubuntu packages will generally require newer versions of dependencies than debian stable packages. |
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| 10:42.55 | lk | ForgeAus, and when you install those new deps, you're going to break stuff that currently works. |
| 10:43.26 | babilen | Funar: You could try to zap the server with "CTRL-ALT-BACKSPACE" or try to switch back with "CTRL-ALT-F1" (or F2, F3, ...) |
| 10:43.28 | lk | ForgeAus, and if that doesn't happen, and if those deps aren't met, well, then you're not really going to be installing those packages from ubuntu repos. |
| 10:43.30 | ForgeAus | lk my base system is ubuntu and it works, I'm trying to expand it out to include debian packages... |
| 10:43.39 | lk | ForgeAus, what for? |
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| 10:43.45 | Funar | babilen: none of that worked, guess i'm rebooting |
| 10:43.52 | ForgeAus | for stuff ubuntu may/may not have that debian does... |
| 10:43.53 | lk | ForgeAus, you need another copy of 19,000+ packages? |
| 10:43.58 | lk | Such as? |
| 10:44.06 | ForgeAus | lol if I wanted that I'd debootstrap |
| 10:44.12 | babilen | ForgeAus: Ask in #ubuntu then - we have no idea how Ubuntu handles that situation. *We* strongly recommend against using Ubuntu packages on Debian |
| 10:44.23 | ForgeAus | lk I don't know but debian is a more general distro than ubuntu is isn't it? |
| 10:44.27 | babilen | Funar: How are you rebooting? |
| 10:44.28 | TripleDES | yareckon: yep, that's my feeling too...and I also think that Xen has accelerated its development proces after KVM came to the virtualization match...also RedHat has said it'll be realeasing the RHEV-M tool totally open source in the future...so I think it'll be a nice setup and also a big competition for commercial products |
| 10:44.36 | Funar | using the power button |
| 10:44.39 | babilen | Funar: Or actually "how are you trying to reboot?" |
| 10:44.39 | lk | ForgeAus, I don't know what you mean by that. |
| 10:44.47 | ForgeAus | its been around longer, I would have thought packages would make it (or be leftover) with debian before Ubuntu gets them... |
| 10:45.26 | babilen | Funar: No - Hold "ALT+PRINTSCREEN" and press "r" "e" "i" "s" "u" "b" and wait a little between |
| 10:45.31 | lk | ForgeAus, debian "children" distros are sometimes able to use the parent repos without completely breaking. e.g., mepis used to be able to do that. Ubuntu may be as well. Both those have packages that are generally newer than debian's, though. |
| 10:45.46 | Funar | o |
| 10:45.47 | Funar | too late |
| 10:45.49 | lk | ForgeAus, no, debian's release cycle is completely different. |
| 10:45.58 | lk | ForgeAus, compare them on distrowatch.com to get an idea of what's in each. |
| 10:46.01 | ForgeAus | I know the release cycle is different... |
| 10:46.35 | ForgeAus | sorry lk I'm still not getting why this matters... |
| 10:46.47 | yareckon | ForgeAus, you can install naked debs from get deb or something ... and manage dependencies carefully, and if you are lucky, you will not get bit... but adding in a debian repo is difficult in ubuntu |
| 10:47.08 | ForgeAus | one says one version the other says the other version wouldn't pinning ubuntu at a higher priority enforce its integrity? |
| 10:47.10 | yareckon | because there are a whole different tree of versions... even if the package base names are the same |
| 10:47.20 | Funar | babilen: my xorg.conf file: http://yourpaste.net/5474 |
| 10:48.12 | yareckon | ah.. so if you know about pinning, you can try to do this... but I would suggest this is gonna make every upgrade (not to mention dist-upgrade) from now on a world of pain |
| 10:48.31 | lk | ForgeAus, try it and find out. |
| 10:48.48 | babilen | Funar: It would really be great if I could take a look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log because I want to see what Xorg is actually doing and which driver it has already tried ... or, more importantly, why it did not work |
| 10:48.56 | ForgeAus | versioning seems extremely strict in linux... |
| 10:49.04 | babilen | Funar: I'm out for a smoke while you are uploading that file |
| 10:49.08 | lk | ForgeAus, that's because there are dependencies. |
| 10:49.14 | Funar | babilen: is there a way to restrict it to only upload half of the file? |
| 10:49.24 | ForgeAus | yareckon probably but its a more compatible system, right? |
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| 10:49.33 | lk | ForgeAus, more than what? |
| 10:49.35 | Funar | there are 137964 lines |
| 10:49.38 | yareckon | if you want to compile a monster statically linked binary, you can distribute without many dependencies |
| 10:49.45 | yareckon | another benefit of having source |
| 10:50.18 | lk | yareckon, tried html2image? |
| 10:50.31 | ForgeAus | lk why should package b requiring at least version x of package a matter? .... |
| 10:50.59 | ForgeAus | as long as you don't install a pacakge a < version x which I don't see how that would happen... |
| 10:51.17 | ForgeAus | (again shouldn't pinning stop that scenario from happening? |
| 10:51.31 | yareckon | ForgeAus, you are welcome to combine repos, but what you are giving up is the planning of what goes into different distributions, that debian and ubuntu legions of volunteers and employees are doing for you |
| 10:51.43 | yareckon | distributions sell integration, not just software |
| 10:51.49 | Funar | how do i 'cat' only the first 1000 lines of a file? |
| 10:52.02 | yareckon | if you want to just use them for software, go ahead, but don't expect the integration to work out |
| 10:52.09 | petern_ | Funar, head |
| 10:52.32 | ForgeAus | yareckon, thats quite possible but I still don't understand |
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| 10:53.03 | lk | ForgeAus, so go try it out. Then you'll understand. |
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| 10:53.19 | yareckon | oh, and set yourself a big ass alarm to remove any pinning before you go from stable > testing or lucid to maverick or whatever, or else you WILL break your system |
| 10:53.25 | lk | ForgeAus, having a version too low is just as bad as having a version too high. |
| 10:53.31 | babilen | Funar: hehe - yes there are. But you could start by uploading "grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log | pastebinit -b ...." |
| 10:53.44 | ForgeAus | a version too high? |
| 10:54.29 | babilen | Funar: I'll need to go soon - configure your xorg.conf and specify "Driver" in the "Device" section to be "ati" - You might also want to set "HorizSync" and "VertRefresh" in the "Monitor" section to match the values of your monitor (check your user manual) |
| 10:54.33 | ForgeAus | this is frightening, it shouldn't be this hard! ... |
| 10:54.49 | yareckon | ForgeAus, it's not hard |
| 10:54.50 | lk | ForgeAus, it's not unless you start screwing with things. |
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| 10:55.01 | Funar | WAIT |
| 10:55.20 | Funar | head -n=1250 file.log ? |
| 10:55.22 | Funar | is that right? |
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| 10:55.47 | ForgeAus | lk I'm not looking to screw with things I'm looking to make my system more compatible |
| 10:56.02 | ForgeAus | but you seem to think theres something wrong with that... oddly enough |
| 10:56.05 | lk | ForgeAus, compatible in what way? |
| 10:56.11 | lk | And with what? |
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| 10:56.14 | ForgeAus | lk, I don't know |
| 10:56.17 | yareckon | ForgeAus, Sounds like you need to get involved with ubuntu packaging or move to debian.... porting a package properly is not too much work between momma and daughter distros like ubuntu / debian |
| 10:56.40 | yareckon | If you are really interested in this stuff, that is the way you should go... |
| 10:56.41 | ForgeAus | yareckon you don't even need alien :) |
| 10:56.43 | lk | ForgeAus, find out why the version of a kernel [almost] never changes during a release cycle. |
| 10:56.52 | ForgeAus | .debs normally install in either debian or ubuntu don't they? |
| 10:57.01 | lk | ForgeAus, yeah, usually they will. |
| 10:57.05 | yareckon | if you are lucky |
| 10:57.08 | lk | As long as dependencies are met. |
| 10:57.16 | Funar | babilen: if you wait juuuust a little bit, i'll have you the log |
| 10:57.16 | babilen | Funar: You should also make sure that you have xserver-xorg-video-ati installed - You should also read /usr/share/doc/xserver-xorg-video-ati/README.Debian |
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| 10:57.49 | yareckon | ForgeAus, not sure if you are trolling or what, but feel free to try out your ideas on a system where you won't cry if you hose it |
| 10:58.58 | ForgeAus | lk let me put it this way if debian and ubuntu as you seem to say are so different, theres got to be things debian can do that ubuntu cant, (and of course vice versa... despite ubuntu being based on debian in the first place) |
| 10:59.04 | yareckon | it's not that hard to see why this gets complicated fast... it's also not hard to do what you are suggesting for a couple of packages... but confusing your package manager with several repos with thousands of versions that probably have never been testedd together is a brave act |
| 10:59.15 | lk | ForgeAus, what super cow power does debian have that ubuntu doesn't? |
| 10:59.22 | yareckon | you are also allowed to have more than one computer |
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| 10:59.39 | yareckon | or os partition |
| 10:59.40 | lk | ForgeAus, I say try it on your main computer. The one you can't live without. |
| 10:59.47 | ForgeAus | lk, you tell me, I don't claim to know |
| 11:00.02 | ForgeAus | yareckon with MBR your limited to 4.. |
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| 11:00.24 | yareckon | not with extended partitions |
| 11:00.31 | ForgeAus | (you can have more extended/logical partitions but only 4 primaries |
| 11:00.49 | yareckon | sounds like someone with your experience should be able to figure that out.... and grub is capable of handling this |
| 11:01.04 | lk | ForgeAus, if you don't know, then research. I don't know what you're trying to do, and I can't fathom why. |
| 11:01.10 | ForgeAus | why don't I just chroot? |
| 11:01.15 | Funar | babilen: i installed the video xserver - and now i'm waiting for the file to upload |
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| 11:01.21 | Funar | last time i had a socket error |
| 11:01.23 | ForgeAus | bootstrap a debian under my ubuntu and chroot to it? |
| 11:01.32 | yareckon | ForgeAus, we are just starting to expect you are trollng |
| 11:01.41 | yareckon | do it, have done it the other way before |
| 11:01.41 | ForgeAus | lk the whole research thing is why I'm here |
| 11:01.42 | babilen | Funar: The xserver-xorg-video-ati package was not installed? |
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| 11:01.55 | Funar | i don't know lol, it is now for sure though |
| 11:02.04 | ForgeAus | actually I'd alreadydone it... |
| 11:02.10 | Funar | wait no |
| 11:02.13 | ForgeAus | (not before I entered this channel tho) |
| 11:02.20 | babilen | Funar: Did it download the package and install it? |
| 11:02.22 | Funar | just kidding, it was not installed because i already have it |
| 11:02.29 | babilen | ok |
| 11:03.45 | lk | ForgeAus, go for it. It's the only way to find out. |
| 11:04.05 | ForgeAus | uh it tells me I'm about to install unsigned packages? |
| 11:04.06 | lk | Or you could just compare the main packages each release ships on distrowatch. |
| 11:04.32 | ForgeAus | is that because I need a key for the debian repo? |
| 11:04.33 | lk | ForgeAus, you have to add the repo's key to your key ring. |
| 11:04.39 | Funar | what the helllll |
| 11:04.40 | ForgeAus | how do I do that? |
| 11:04.41 | Funar | upload |
| 11:04.42 | yareckon | ForgeAus, you can add the debian keys to apt, or you can just install unsigned |
| 11:04.53 | yareckon | google will help you faster than I can |
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| 11:05.36 | yareckon | incidently, yay... just figured out something I have been working on for two days :) |
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| 11:05.48 | ForgeAus | kewl debian has backports too :) |
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| 11:06.52 | yareckon | ForgeAus, incidently, debian is probably just as trollable as ubuntu if that is important to you :) |
| 11:06.55 | Funar | fuck this |
| 11:07.00 | Funar | how do i use flashdrives |
| 11:07.13 | lk | Funar, plug them in? |
| 11:07.15 | yareckon | find a usb port? |
| 11:07.29 | twantakur | then watch dmesg |
| 11:07.46 | lk | Funar, yeah... and if that doesn't work, go to runlevel 1 and restart the udev service. |
| 11:07.51 | babilen | ForgeAus: Install debian-archive-keyring or use "gpg --keyserver keys.gnupg.net --recv-keys KEYID ; gpg --export KEYID | sudo apt-key add -" (replace KEYID with the appropriate KEYID( |
| 11:08.04 | ForgeAus | yareckon ? if you think trying to understand is trolling, then... think what you like, but I did truly come here for help... |
| 11:08.06 | babilen | ForgeAus: I still think that it is a *very* bad idea |
| 11:08.15 | Funar | how do i switch to my flashdrive |
| 11:08.17 | Funar | is what i'm asking |
| 11:08.31 | lk | Funar, sorry, wasn't following you earlier... switch what? |
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| 11:09.05 | Funar | i mean how do i copy a file to my flashdrive |
| 11:09.26 | yareckon | ForgeAus, I'm happy to answer questions all day if you are really trying to learn |
| 11:09.47 | lk | Funar, oh, okay. Is it mounted? |
| 11:09.52 | ForgeAus | well one way or the other thats going to happen it seems |
| 11:09.53 | Funar | err |
| 11:09.54 | Funar | no |
| 11:09.57 | babilen | Funar: plug it in "dmesg |tail -n 10" -> get the /dev/sd[bcd][123] (e.g. /dev/sdb1) and then "mkdir /media/usbstick" and "mount /dev/sdb1 /media/usbstick" (as root) |
| 11:10.07 | lk | Funar, dmesg | tail will tell you... babilen beat me to it. |
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| 11:11.03 | babilen | Funar: Which filesystem is on the stick? |
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| 11:11.21 | Funar | ntfs |
| 11:11.22 | Funar | probably |
| 11:11.26 | babilen | Funar: But basically - you have all the information you need right now ... |
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| 11:11.35 | babilen | curses NTFS |
| 11:11.35 | lk | Funar, in that case you might want to install ntfs-3g. |
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| 11:11.45 | babilen | !ntfs-3g |
| 11:11.45 | dpkg | ntfs-3g is, like, a user-space NTFS driver with write support and good performance, packaged for Debian. Usage examples: http://www.tuxera.com/community/ntfs-3g-download/#usage . Ask me about <user accessible ntfs>. |
| 11:11.46 | Funar | it says 'you must specify filesystem type' |
| 11:12.05 | Funar | for the mount step |
| 11:12.07 | lk | Funar, and instead of the mount command, use ntfs-3g /dev/sdb1 /media/wherever. |
| 11:12.21 | babilen | Funar: ^^^^ |
| 11:12.32 | lk | Funar, remember, that assumes it's NTFS and that you have ntfs-3g installed. |
| 11:12.43 | lk | Okay, sleep time again, tty all later. |
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| 11:12.58 | babilen | lk: sleep wel :) |
| 11:13.11 | lk | babilen, thanks =) |
| 11:13.17 | lk | ForgeAus, keep us posted =P |
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| 11:13.58 | Funar | ok what if its fat |
| 11:14.11 | ForgeAus | well theres 44 updates on kpackagekit not far different from what it was before |
| 11:14.38 | ForgeAus | mostly pacakges involving GNUstep |
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| 11:15.27 | Funar | ok w.e i'm just gonna be patient with my head -n812 /blah/.log | pastebinit command |
| 11:17.17 | babilen | Funar: "mount -t vfat /dev/sdb1 /media/usbstick" for example |
| 11:17.24 | ForgeAus | yareckon I assume when I dist-upgrade I basically just comment out the debian repos and any other non-canonical ubuntu base repos and readd them later.. |
| 11:17.50 | yareckon | but also remove pinning in apt-preferences etc... |
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| 11:17.55 | yareckon | go completely stock |
| 11:18.07 | ForgeAus | yeah sounds wise |
| 11:18.15 | Funar | FINALLY |
| 11:18.15 | Funar | http://yourpaste.net/5477 |
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| 11:18.31 | yareckon | that is my recommend... but the problem is that you will forget ... has happened to me a couple times |
| 11:18.45 | Funar | babilen: http://yourpaste.net/5477 |
| 11:18.50 | ForgeAus | :) |
| 11:18.56 | ForgeAus | I'm good at forgetting |
| 11:19.01 | yareckon | me too |
| 11:19.12 | ForgeAus | if I do it will teach me a lesson uh? |
| 11:19.32 | yareckon | it will break stuff, not too horribly, but you will spend an extra hour or two cleaning up |
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| 11:19.38 | yareckon | or resinstalling |
| 11:19.41 | ForgeAus | I'll leave myself a note in my info.txt file (I always makeone of them... |
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| 11:20.00 | ForgeAus | for windows, mac, linux always in my ~ is an info.txt :)... |
| 11:20.11 | yareckon | that is a good idea :) |
| 11:20.15 | yareckon | I need one of those |
| 11:20.44 | ForgeAus | an hour or two cleanup isn't imho catastrophic |
| 11:21.13 | ForgeAus | but if avoidable, probably best to avoid it... |
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| 11:21.37 | yareckon | no but again, better to give your package manager a clean approach... upgrades are tricky and I believe that upgrade manager does a bit more than just a dist-upgrade |
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| 11:21.48 | yareckon | you don't want to confuse it... |
| 11:22.03 | ForgeAus | makes sense |
| 11:22.17 | yareckon | I should learn more about upgrade manager actually.. |
| 11:22.48 | yareckon | for instance, I don't know if debian desktops use it |
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| 11:22.54 | ForgeAus | I feel much more comfortable with this already |
| 11:22.57 | yareckon | for major version upgrades |
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| 11:23.17 | yareckon | all the debian desktops I have are on sid, so I have no experience |
| 11:23.22 | Funar | is there any hope for me, babilen? |
| 11:23.24 | yareckon | I know that ubuntu uses it |
| 11:24.07 | ForgeAus | sudo apt-get dist-upgrade? yeah although I tend to do mine in the gui (previously in Kubuntu it had been Adept, now kpackagekit) |
| 11:24.19 | ForgeAus | misses adept to be honest) |
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| 11:25.41 | twantakur | hello i have IBMX3650 ,, can ulimit beyond 65535? |
| 11:26.05 | babilen | Funar: hang on |
| 11:26.21 | ForgeAus | then agian I miss kicker, and a few other things too... and I still have much to learn about linux! obviously |
| 11:27.10 | llanero | ForgeAus: kicker is macos app? |
| 11:27.24 | ForgeAus | no |
| 11:27.28 | Funar | ok |
| 11:27.36 | ForgeAus | kicker was KDE3.5.x's taskbar |
| 11:27.43 | ForgeAus | (or panel if you like) |
| 11:28.21 | yareckon | I have great respect for kde :) just don't use it |
| 11:28.27 | ForgeAus | I don'tknow any macos apps that I miss since I havn't used it for long enough for something I use to be gone lol :) |
| 11:28.39 | ForgeAus | rofl yareckon |
| 11:28.39 | yareckon | I use their applications though.. .they are generally more bulletproof than gnome apps |
| 11:29.07 | yareckon | If you want something done right, use a kde3 application |
| 11:29.11 | ForgeAus | interesting, I tend to be quasi-anti-gnome... |
| 11:29.32 | yareckon | I speak of disk burning, utility type things |
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| 11:29.49 | ForgeAus | give kde4 time it will make it, its already made great strides, sure its no kde3.5.x as yet... but it might just get better! |
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| 11:30.05 | ForgeAus | k3b is great! |
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| 11:30.19 | ForgeAus | is there a gnome equivalent? I don't know |
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| 11:30.38 | yareckon | I am pretty happy with gnome.. the platform itself is pretty polished... both have great apps... I find qt to have a displeasing plastic look to it generally |
| 11:30.56 | yareckon | ForgeAus, there is no gnome equivalent that makes as few coasters |
| 11:31.24 | ForgeAus | hehe ok well that "plastic" (I tend to think of it more as candy) as you call it look appeals to me... but I can see where your coming from |
| 11:32.00 | yareckon | gnome has a habit of migrating between apps every 18 months... first brasero, diskburner whatever... also the names of apps changes as they get adopted or dropped |
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| 11:32.32 | yareckon | and either the front end or the backend of like every basic utility app is undergoing a rewrite at any given time |
| 11:32.52 | ForgeAus | but then to give you some idea my desktop colourscheme is "my blue heaven" essentially google-chrome lt-blues... |
| 11:32.57 | Pupeno | What does this mean as the single line of a trace route: "1140 ms !H * 4 ms !H" |
| 11:33.14 | yareckon | I love the useability focus in gnome, but buggy stuff is a big useability issue |
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| 11:33.32 | yareckon | and rewriting the gui is gonna mean more bugs for users |
| 11:34.02 | ForgeAus | that was my biggest issue with bringing in KDE4 the way they did |
| 11:34.12 | ForgeAus | surely it wouldn't be mature overnight uh? |
| 11:34.20 | yareckon | not just talking about disk burning in case anyone thinks that's what I judge a desktop by :) |
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| 11:34.27 | babilen | Funar: I'm not entirely sure but I think that you are seeing http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=581216 - You could try the Device section with NoAccel mentioned in that report. |
| 11:35.17 | yareckon | but gnome is definitely improving the underlying platform... it's amazing the number of bugs that have vanished in the last two years |
| 11:35.24 | ForgeAus | I think thats why they called their default theme oxygen, because it was harder to escape than air!! :) rofl!! |
| 11:35.59 | babilen | Funar: And I would be interested why you were suggested to install with the "kmuto" images as your hardware does not seem to need it. (Is your wireless adaptor an USB one?) |
| 11:36.19 | ForgeAus | (KDE4 had -possibly still has- issues with changing defaults next session would revert back... rofl ) |
| 11:36.29 | yareckon | probably the only thing that would switch me to kde was gnome depending on mono for the core libraries or something.. and still I would probably go to xfce first |
| 11:36.33 | Funar | yes it is usb |
| 11:36.40 | Funar | that is why kmuto was suggested |
| 11:36.44 | babilen | ok |
| 11:36.55 | yareckon | dunno why... realistically kde would probably be a better choice |
| 11:37.03 | yareckon | hope I never have to make it |
| 11:37.04 | yareckon | :) |
| 11:37.05 | ForgeAus | XFCE to me seems to be a gnome-lite... I've used it breifly, didn't feel any different to gnome |
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| 11:37.19 | yareckon | the lite is good and bad |
| 11:37.26 | Funar | ok im going to try to boot once more |
| 11:37.37 | Funar | if it works, awesome |
| 11:37.39 | Funar | if it doesn't work |
| 11:37.42 | Funar | i'm goign to sleep |
| 11:37.49 | ForgeAus | hav fun Funar :) |
| 11:37.53 | yareckon | you get less of the bloat, with less of the features... primarily virtual filesystems and things like notifications |
| 11:38.05 | Funar | OMG |
| 11:38.06 | Funar | IT WORKED |
| 11:38.18 | yareckon | congrats |
| 11:38.34 | Arrowmaster | no usage of mono |
| 11:38.47 | Funar | i love you babilen |
| 11:38.50 | Funar | now i can sleep in peace |
| 11:38.57 | ForgeAus | katapult was bascially gnome-do without the mono framework |
| 11:39.05 | Funar | GOOD NIGHT ALL |
| 11:39.17 | ForgeAus | but it seems to have disappeared btw... |
| 11:39.17 | babilen | Funar: hehe :) |
| 11:39.18 | yareckon | sleep well, dream of rebooting |
| 11:39.40 | ForgeAus | (although gnome-do has included a dockbar and some other fancy stuff) |
| 11:39.56 | ForgeAus | both really were ripoffs of Quicksilver which is a MacOSX application! lol |
| 11:40.04 | ForgeAus | (but not from apple themselves) |
| 11:40.08 | yareckon | indeed |
| 11:40.21 | babilen | Funar: Note however that this disables accelaration - You might want to keep an eye on that bug |
| 11:40.34 | yareckon | however, it is arguable that quicksilver got the idea from alt+f2 in linux |
| 11:40.45 | yareckon | which has been around fo-eva |
| 11:40.54 | babilen | Funar: You could also comment on it (using reportbug) and confirm that disabling acceleration "solves" this problem |
| 11:41.06 | yareckon | launching apps by typing their name, that is genius! |
| 11:41.25 | yareckon | course quicksilver integrated a butload of other features |
| 11:41.44 | ForgeAus | oh krunner has katapult built in now! IC |
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| 11:43.19 | apt_get | Hi |
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| 11:43.44 | apt_get | How can I put a script in initialization on debian squeeze? |
| 11:44.04 | apt_get | update-rc.d script defaults 20 80 gives me a error (LSB) |
| 11:45.39 | yareckon | hmmm does it have something to do with dependency based boot? Don't know how to answer your question, but maybe someone here does.. |
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| 11:49.36 | babilen | apt_get: http://wiki.debian.org/LSBInitScripts |
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| 11:50.23 | babilen | !tell apt_get -about missing lsb tags |
| 11:50.36 | babilen | apt_get: That should solve the LSB problem |
| 11:50.45 | apt_get | ok thanks |
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| 11:52.33 | apt_get | having a legacy mode? compatible with lenny? |
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| 11:59.47 | kripz | pwd gets the current directory im in, how can i get the current directory's mount point? |
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| 12:00.48 | ethanol | kripz: huh? |
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| 12:03.43 | kripz | ethanol, i want to alias rm so i can create a recycle bin (mv "$@" "~/.Recycle Bin"). one problem is that i may be be deleting something from /home/ which is on a different disk. Moving it to my bin (which is on a different disk) will be very slow. |
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| 12:06.06 | ethanol | so? |
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| 12:06.21 | d3sync | kripz: i guess you are going to do it with Bash script right ? |
| 12:06.28 | kripz | d3sync, yes |
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| 12:07.34 | kripz | ethanol, i want to have a ./recycle bin on every disk or volume |
| 12:07.50 | d3sync | in that case you can use an if to check the location from where someone is trying to delete the file |
| 12:07.50 | woodworks | i installed lenny using dvd purchased disks, emacs is only available as 22.2, would like to upgrade to 23.x, using aptitude what steps must i take to upgrade from some net source? |
| 12:08.31 | ethanol | woodworks: try backports |
| 12:08.57 | woodworks | where are backports stored? |
| 12:09.01 | ethanol | backports contains 23.x |
| 12:09.14 | ethanol | woodworks: http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=faq |
| 12:09.26 | woodworks | ethanol: excellent thank you |
| 12:09.28 | ethanol | errr sorry |
| 12:09.30 | ethanol | woodworks: http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions |
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| 12:09.55 | woodworks | on my way now to check it out, thanks again |
| 12:10.02 | ethanol | no problem |
| 12:10.25 | Pupeno | Is there a way to clear the arp cache? |
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| 12:11.47 | ethanol | probably using arp and arp -d entry |
| 12:12.07 | Pupeno | ethanol: I don't want to remove one entry, I want to remove them all. |
| 12:12.26 | ethanol | Pupeno: so remove them all |
| 12:12.48 | tdn | I'm not really sure where to ask about gnumake, but how do I get the full path into a gnumake variable in a Makefile? |
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| 12:13.38 | Pupeno | ethanol: how? other than deleting one by one? that is my question. I've already read the man page for arp and now how to delete each entries, but I couldn't find anything about clearing the whole thing, that's why I am asking. |
| 12:13.40 | tdn | full path = current working dir |
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| 12:13.53 | kripz | d3sync, but if i can get the original mount point of the current directory, that would mean i have the disk/volume that the directory resides on. I'm not sure if im using the correct terminology. eg. "mount /dev/sda1/ /home/" "mount /dev/sdb1/ /home/blah". i can see that blah is on sdb1 |
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| 12:14.12 | Pupeno | besides, arp -d seems not to be working. |
| 12:14.37 | ethanol | Pupeno: man arp |
| 12:14.43 | unixp | is there a different to mount cdrom and Dvd roms? if i mount with mount -t iso9660 ... at all times i cant play a DVD film... |
| 12:15.24 | Pupeno | ethanol: your point being? |
| 12:15.45 | ethanol | Pupeno: that the proper switch for clearing an entry should be in there |
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| 12:16.02 | ethanol | though mine clearly states -d |
| 12:16.03 | Pupeno | ethanol: of course, arp -d. |
| 12:16.24 | ethanol | Pupeno: you said -d does not seem to be working |
| 12:16.32 | Pupeno | ethanol: yes, mine too, what a coincidence. and I'v said arp -d seems not to be working, you said man arp. |
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| 12:16.55 | ethanol | Pupeno: "does not work" is not a very helpful statement |
| 12:17.04 | Pupeno | ethanol: yes, I'm not saying it's the wrong switch, I'm saying it's not working... the arp entry remains there, in incomplete state apparently. |
| 12:18.21 | d3sync | kripz: you have diffrent disk for each user ? |
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| 12:18.44 | kripz | d3sync, im just using it as examples |
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| 12:21.04 | pythetic | why does splashy not work with cryptsetup for non-root partitions? |
| 12:21.23 | d3sync | by using ~/.Recycle\ Bin/ if User1 tries to remove a file it will be moved at his dir inside a folder named .Recycle Bin so it won't be transfered from another disk since normally users have only access to their homedirs |
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| 12:22.23 | Araneidae | I have made a mess by upgrading to lenny-backports: my non-free modules have vanished! |
| 12:22.29 | Araneidae | How do I recover from this? |
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| 12:23.26 | Araneidae | I ran, I think, `aptitude -t lenny-backports safe-upgrade`, and I think I have the right non-free line in sources.list, but I've lost my Nvida driver and wireless firmware |
| 12:24.14 | ethanol | lost? |
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| 12:24.20 | d3sync | that doesnt seem right :P |
| 12:24.23 | ethanol | like, poof vanished in smoke? |
| 12:24.26 | Araneidae | Yes, they got deleted as part of the upgrade |
| 12:24.36 | d3sync | try to re-install xD |
| 12:24.39 | Araneidae | The upgrade upgraded around 250 packages |
| 12:24.43 | ethanol | Araneidae: then why didn't you just pick 'no' when it made that suggestion? |
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| 12:24.46 | ethanol | though |
| 12:24.54 | ethanol | there are better drivers than the nvidia ones |
| 12:24.57 | ethanol | it probably installed those |
| 12:25.22 | d3sync | yeah true |
| 12:25.24 | Araneidae | If the new driver works with suspend and restore then I'm happy to use it |
| 12:25.41 | d3sync | linux ports for vga usually blows hard :P |
| 12:25.46 | ethanol | Araneidae: put em to the test |
| 12:26.17 | Araneidae | I'm also missing the firmware for my wireless card: the upgrade told me that the non-free repository was missing and that the t3(?) stuff would be deleted |
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| 12:26.50 | Araneidae | I suppose the way to check the driver is simply to remove the nvidia line from xorg.conf, will try that |
| 12:28.46 | Araneidae | Ok, that works (I'll do the suspend restore test later), but how do I get my wireless firmware back? |
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| 12:30.36 | d3sync | redownload it and install ? :P |
| 12:30.59 | ethanol | Araneidae: if you got so many conflicts |
| 12:31.29 | ethanol | Araneidae: why didn't you bother researching them first before hitting 'yes' and proceeding blindlt |
| 12:31.36 | ethanol | s/blindlt/blindly/ |
| 12:31.58 | Araneidae | Because frankly I don't care that much |
| 12:32.17 | Araneidae | The install on this particular laptop is disposable |
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| 12:32.51 | Araneidae | and, again frankly, I wanted to see just how deep in the shit Debian drops me if I do a routine upgrade |
| 12:33.07 | Araneidae | The answer is sufficiently deep |
| 12:33.25 | pythetic | no |
| 12:33.31 | pythetic | you are disposable |
| 12:33.47 | ethanol | Araneidae: what you did is hardly routine, quite the opposite |
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| 12:34.32 | ethanol | Araneidae: first of all, backports is not really part of stable. it's your personal choice. |
| 12:34.34 | Araneidae | What *should* I have done, then? I wanted more recent versions of the tools I need on that laptop than provided by the standard Lenny install |
| 12:35.02 | rudi_s | Araneidae: Why do you need more recent versions? |
| 12:35.10 | ethanol | Araneidae: if you want to have the latest, switch to testing. it would probably have been a better choice. |
| 12:35.18 | MrTorque | is there a way without fuse to mount a folder with ssh-connection? |
| 12:35.37 | Araneidae | Well, the first think I needed was a working version of bzr |
| 12:35.42 | lindi- | MrTorque: why do you want to avoid fuse? |
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| 12:35.45 | krisfremen | MrTorque: mc with a ssh connection? |
| 12:35.46 | ethanol | MrTorque: I use a ssh tunnel and nfsmounts ? |
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| 12:35.51 | woodworks | ethonal: after adding the line "deb http://www.backports.org/debian lenny-backports main contrib non-free" to souces.list and trying apt-get update, apt complains on many files "could not resolve 'http=localhost', do i have to put something in apt.conf also? |
| 12:35.51 | krisfremen | other than that... i dunno |
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| 12:36.30 | ethanol | souces.list? I'll presume that was a typo. but eh, said error doesn't quite sound familiar to me |
| 12:36.37 | Araneidae | pythetic, for sure. I used to be quite fond of Debian, and on leave and forget servers it's still my distribution of choice. |
| 12:36.55 | Araneidae | For desktop? Please. Too many pitfalls. |
| 12:37.31 | ethanol | Araneidae: try ubuntu for a desktop distro. |
| 12:37.39 | Araneidae | That's what I use |
| 12:37.46 | ethanol | then go to #ubuntu for support |
| 12:37.55 | woodworks | ethanol: yes typo, in apt.conf it has Acquire::http::Proxy "http://http=localhost:8080/"; |
| 12:37.55 | Araneidae | See: woodworks is teetering on the edge of the same rabbit hole |
| 12:38.09 | MrTorque | lindi-: excellent question. i am using a vserver. if i run lsmod i get: Opening /proc/modules: No such file or directory |
| 12:38.17 | woodworks | on a slippery slope |
| 12:38.24 | MrTorque | lindi-: so i am also unable to run modprobe fuse :( |
| 12:38.25 | ethanol | Araneidae: he only wants to install one package from backports. not upgrade his whole system. |
| 12:38.31 | ethanol | there's quite a large difference there. |
| 12:38.38 | MrTorque | ethanol: this works without fuse? |
| 12:38.47 | ethanol | MrTorque: I do not use fuse. |
| 12:38.59 | ethanol | to my knowledge |
| 12:39.02 | ethanol | I could be mistaken |
| 12:39.03 | unixp | is there a different to mount cdrom and Dvd roms? if i mount with mount -t iso9660 ... at all times i cant play a DVD film... |
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| 12:39.04 | ethanol | checks |
| 12:39.23 | MrTorque | ethanol: can you do lsmod | grep fuse, please? |
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| 12:39.34 | ethanol | yeah was about to, hold on, need to ssh |
| 12:40.04 | ethanol | not loaded on either side of the tunnel |
| 12:41.02 | MrTorque | ethanol, great. can you assist me a bit? i have ssh connection between two server. on one i need to add a directory in /etc/exports, right? |
| 12:41.24 | ethanol | on the server which holds the physical drive device, yes |
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| 12:41.53 | MrTorque | ethanol: and this server needs to have nfs installed? there is no /etc/exports |
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| 12:42.03 | lindi- | MrTorque: if you are not able to modprobe fuse then are you sure you can get nfs module loaded for both server and client kernels? |
| 12:42.13 | ethanol | lindi-: I have |
| 12:42.30 | Pupeno | What's the recommended way to configure static routes in Debian? |
| 12:42.45 | ethanol | MrTorque: I installed unfs3 on our share server |
| 12:43.14 | MrTorque | lindi-: uhm, do i need to modprobe nfs module?? |
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| 12:43.21 | lindi- | MrTorque: yes nfs needs kernel support |
| 12:43.24 | ethanol | MrTorque: but you can also go with nfs-user-server |
| 12:43.32 | ethanol | lindi-: not true |
| 12:43.38 | MrTorque | hmm |
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| 12:43.43 | lindi- | ethanol: but on client where he was using fuse? |
| 12:43.44 | ethanol | there are two userspace packages |
| 12:43.52 | ethanol | my client does not use fuse either |
| 12:43.57 | MrTorque | can i fix the modprobe-think on a vserver? |
| 12:44.55 | Bushmills | vserver vserver? "guests" can't modprobe. same kernel is shared between host and guests |
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| 12:45.15 | ethanol | MrTorque: just install nfs-user-server or unfs3 |
| 12:45.27 | ethanol | MrTorque: then add an entry to /etc/exports |
| 12:45.42 | MrTorque | ethanol: install it on both machines? |
| 12:45.45 | ethanol | no |
| 12:45.51 | ethanol | only the one that will be sharing |
| 12:46.20 | MrTorque | ethanol: okay, installed unfs3 |
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| 12:47.38 | MrTorque | i added in /etc/exports: /home/share/ 1.1.1.1(rw) is this correct? |
| 12:48.06 | Bushmills | experienced problems with unfs3 on a mips router - the router would reboot when "too much" traffic was going through unfs3. but must be a cross-interaction between kernel and unfs3 - as user mode program, it should not be able to cause such reboots - unless watchdog timer was involved. |
| 12:48.16 | lindi- | ethanol: i still don't understand how he's going to mount that without nfs module |
| 12:48.28 | voed | how to use openbox with debian ? i've installed openbox, tint2, rox-filer, iDesk etc. but startx command isn't working ? |
| 12:48.35 | ethanol | MrTorque: restart the nfsd |
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| 12:49.07 | MrTorque | ethanol: there is no /etc/init.d/nfsd |
| 12:49.11 | Bushmills | voed: "isn't working" ?? |
| 12:49.15 | Bushmills | !work |
| 12:49.15 | dpkg | i heard work is a great place to play network games like Quake against your friends..... an improper way of saying funzionirt! Work at what? Do the dishes? Clean your room? , or see <play> =-) |
| 12:49.22 | Bushmills | !notworking |
| 12:49.24 | ethanol | MrTorque: sorry, unfsd |
| 12:49.25 | babilen | voed: I guess that you need a suitable X |
| 12:49.32 | ethanol | MrTorque: sorry, unfsd3 even -_- |
| 12:49.38 | MrTorque | ethanol: done |
| 12:49.52 | MrTorque | ethanol: no problem :) |
| 12:49.54 | ethanol | MrTorque: now install nfs-client on the server where you want to mount the share |
| 12:49.56 | voed | babilen: i've installed the necessary x libraries, however i am not sure, which desktop manager to install |
| 12:49.58 | babilen | voed: ~/.xsession that is |
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| 12:50.19 | MrTorque | ethanol: done |
| 12:50.38 | ethanol | MrTorque: now try to do a basic remote nfs mount using mount, or add an entry to fstab |
| 12:50.48 | babilen | voed: It should contain "exec openbox-session" (and other programs you want to start) |
| 12:51.44 | MrTorque | ethanol: so i do: mount -t nfs user@ip:folder ? |
| 12:52.12 | ethanol | not sure, I went with the fstab entry, and didn't have to use a user |
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| 12:52.22 | ethanol | since I set the user on the server side |
| 12:53.00 | babilen | voed: Link ~/.xinitrc to ~/.xsession as well |
| 12:53.05 | babilen | voed: Does that work? |
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| 12:53.21 | Bushmills | oh, not to mention that unfs3 was slow as molasses, compared to nfsd |
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| 12:53.26 | ethanol | MrTorque: but basic command 'mount host:/remote /local' |
| 12:53.27 | MrTorque | ethanol: right, i limited to ip, so i do not need user/pw |
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| 12:53.45 | voed | babilen, creating files... |
| 12:53.45 | Pupeno | Is there something like /etc/network/routes? |
| 12:54.01 | MrTorque | ethanol: thanks for your help so far. only thing: i can not write to the destination. i did add (rw) to /etc/exports. |
| 12:54.14 | ethanol | MrTorque: can you browse it? |
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| 12:54.50 | voed | babilen: so i should "ln -s ~/.xsession ~/.xinitrc" ? |
| 12:55.17 | babilen | voed: yes |
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| 12:55.37 | babilen | voed: Read the manpage for "startx" it explains which config files are read |
| 12:56.37 | voed | babilen: do i need to install "xinit" as well ? |
| 12:56.44 | sepult | Use common sense in routing cable. Avoid wrapping coax around sources of |
| 12:56.44 | sepult | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:56.44 | sepult | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:56.44 | sepult | -- Ethernet Headstart Product, Information and Installation Guide, |
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| 12:57.13 | Bushmills | (14:56:43) sepult: Use common sense in *pasting* :P |
| 12:57.22 | MrTorque | ethanol: yes |
| 12:57.23 | pythetic | /kick sepult |
| 12:57.24 | babilen | voed: It should already be installed as a dependency of xorg |
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| 12:57.47 | ethanol | MrTorque: try adding a world writable folder. write a file to it using the client. see which user/group it is created as |
| 12:57.52 | MrTorque | ethanol: do i need sth like mount -t nfs ip:/my/dir /dest -o user,rw? |
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| 12:59.02 | MrTorque | ethanol: the chmod 777 did it |
| 12:59.10 | MrTorque | ethanol: thank you very much for your help |
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| 12:59.40 | MrTorque | lindi-: this can be seen as a proof that i do not need modprobe :) |
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| 12:59.57 | lindi- | MrTorque: maybe your kernel has nfs client support builtin? |
| 13:00.01 | ethanol | MrTorque: well the chmod 777 is hardly a fix |
| 13:00.36 | ethanol | lindi-: client yes, server usually not |
| 13:00.51 | ethanol | lindi-: at least that is the case for basic lenny installs |
| 13:01.55 | ethanol | MrTorque: it just means -anyone- can write to it. but if that is acceptable then I suppose you rest assured :) |
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| 13:02.56 | MrTorque | ethanol: only one ip can mount the nfs and it is only temporer. i think this is good |
| 13:03.18 | babilen | fires up his ip spoofing kit |
| 13:03.19 | MrTorque | lindi-: it is debian lenny i am using |
| 13:03.35 | ethanol | babilen: spoofing hardly fools iptables and a proper kernel |
| 13:03.52 | babilen | ethanol: It was not meant seriously |
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| 13:04.20 | ethanol | babilen: lies |
| 13:04.26 | babilen | hehe :) |
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| 13:06.48 | newb0 | Hello all. I'm with a problem with LAN at Debian. My machine now have 2 LAN Boards. My idea: This computer has Squid. The onBoard connection is connected into my computer's LAN. The off-board connection is connected into a PPPOE modem. |
| 13:08.10 | newb0 | But I'm inable to connect to internet from this machine. I can PING the modem (192.168.254.254) with "ping -I eth1 192.168.254.254", but the DNS do not works |
| 13:08.30 | Sm0ke0ut | ip_forward must be 1 |
| 13:08.44 | Sm0ke0ut | make sure you've setup IPTables to route to the outside |
| 13:08.51 | newb0 | eth0 is my normal LAN. |
| 13:09.08 | Sm0ke0ut | And make sure the DNS servers are assigned properly to the client |
| 13:09.36 | newb0 | If I use IPTables, Squid will filter the content correctily? And can you help me to write this iptables rule? |
| 13:09.42 | Sm0ke0ut | oh wait |
| 13:09.47 | Sm0ke0ut | squid ofcourse |
| 13:09.59 | Sm0ke0ut | doesn't have experience with squid :x |
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| 13:10.27 | newb0 | ok xD Let's try the iptables rule then :) |
| 13:10.33 | newb0 | I have no experience too :P |
| 13:10.36 | newb0 | in both |
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| 13:12.09 | Sm0ke0ut | for iptables setup it's like this: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/23 |
| 13:12.10 | justin_ | newb0: you need to pastebin your /etc/network/interfaces file and the output of ifconfig and route -n |
| 13:12.25 | newb0 | Ok! doing this! :D |
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| 13:15.43 | slackerr | hi all. can i netinstall to testing? |
| 13:15.50 | slackerr | not lenny |
| 13:16.36 | OpenTokix | - I installed kvm on my debian machine because i wanted to try other OSes. I yet have to try one... |
| 13:17.06 | OpenTokix | slackerr: There is plenty of information how do jigdo your own bootable cd for any release you want. |
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| 13:17.13 | yareckon | I think so... but you have to be very persistent to find the isos :) |
| 13:17.15 | yareckon | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 13:17.24 | yareckon | slacker ^^ |
| 13:17.48 | newb0 | justin_: http://pastebin.com/bQg6qJ33 |
| 13:17.57 | slackerr | i didnt find isoses, thats why i asking |
| 13:18.19 | abrotman | slackerr: which architecture? |
| 13:19.05 | abrotman | newb0: you're setting a gateway on both |
| 13:19.13 | abrotman | oh .. no you're not .. ignore moe |
| 13:19.14 | abrotman | me |
| 13:19.36 | abrotman | slackerr: i386? amd64? |
| 13:19.41 | justin_ | newb0: you don't need to set network and broadcast |
| 13:20.00 | slacker_nl | grr, i get all the highlights too :) |
| 13:20.08 | abrotman | really? |
| 13:20.24 | slackerr | abrotman: amd64 |
| 13:20.24 | justin_ | newb0: what sort of device is 192.168.253.254 ? |
| 13:20.42 | abrotman | slackerr: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/amd64/iso-cd/debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso |
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| 13:20.59 | slackerr | abrotman: great thanks! |
| 13:21.20 | abrotman | slackerr: that's a 'daily' .. so it might actually be broken |
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| 13:21.52 | yareckon | I have an etch and a lenny server both hanging at the moment when they try to connect to security.debian.org with apt-get update |
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| 13:22.03 | yareckon | wonder if something is up over there |
| 13:22.24 | abrotman | there is more than one 'there' .. which one is it resolving to? |
| 13:22.30 | newb0 | justin_: I've tryed change the basic LAN address from both, eth1 was 192.168.253.x and eth0 was 192.168.254.x, but do not worked too. We can back to only 254.x |
| 13:22.36 | slackerr | in testing newly mesa and xorg already included? |
| 13:22.43 | yareckon | 212.211.132.32 from localhost anyway |
| 13:22.48 | justin_ | newb0: what? |
| 13:23.31 | abrotman | slackerr: depends what you mean by 'new' .. there are newer ones .. not sure exactly which ones you're lokoing for, use packages.debian.org to find out |
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| 13:23.45 | yareckon | 130.89.149.225 is up tho |
| 13:24.04 | yareckon | which is in the netherlands |
| 13:24.06 | slackerr | about hw accel in radeon r600 |
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| 13:24.23 | newb0 | justin_: Ah ok! your question is another. 192.168.253.254 is my PPPOE modem (router to internet) |
| 13:24.48 | justin_ | newb0: does it have a web interface? can you open http://192.168.253.254 ? |
| 13:24.54 | slackerr | dreaming about dual monitor on my laptop acer 5530g with opensource drivers |
| 13:25.04 | ethanol | yareckon: wat heeft lokatie ermee te maken? :< |
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| 13:25.31 | newb0 | justin_: To be more precise, a Huawei Smartax MT880a |
| 13:25.36 | abrotman | slackerr: you'll to compare notes with x.org and the verisons in debian |
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| 13:26.03 | yareckon | ethanol... *I'm* not in the netherlands, sad to say |
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| 13:26.49 | yareckon | hmmm... now both are pinging ok, but aren't updating with apt-get update |
| 13:27.16 | newb0 | justin_: yes. This modem is working how LAN gateway and DNS. I want with this Debian machine put a proxy (Squid) between my lan and this modem. |
| 13:27.35 | justin_ | newb0: forget about squid for now. You need to get basic connectivity to work first. |
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| 13:27.54 | newb0 | ok :) |
| 13:28.21 | schmack | how can i do system do /dev/null ? |
| 13:28.32 | yareckon | jigga wha? |
| 13:28.33 | babilen | schmack: What? |
| 13:28.51 | ethanol | schmack: english only. |
| 13:28.58 | schmack | babilen: / > /dev/null ? |
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| 13:29.03 | schmack | ethanol i am confused :))) |
| 13:29.07 | schmack | ops |
| 13:29.11 | babilen | schmack: What are you trying to do/achieve? |
| 13:29.12 | ethanol | uh.. |
| 13:29.17 | schmack | babilen: cat / > /dev/null i mean |
| 13:29.17 | ethanol | > /dev/null ? |
| 13:29.27 | ethanol | why do you want to do that? |
| 13:29.50 | babilen | schmack: Yes you could execute that (quite pointless) command - but what are you trying to achieve by doing that? |
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| 13:30.11 | \amethyst | well, cat will give an error |
| 13:30.57 | yareckon | cat is disturbed by the void |
| 13:31.03 | abrotman | MOW! |
| 13:31.06 | \amethyst | do you want to send the list of all files to /dev/null ? the contents of all files? including subdirectories or not? |
| 13:31.17 | schmack | babilen: yes yes |
| 13:31.29 | abrotman | schmack: what are you trying to achieve? |
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| 13:31.47 | yareckon | sending data to someone on the otherside of the wormhole |
| 13:32.09 | ethanol | there be romulan spies tharr! |
| 13:32.12 | abrotman | you should probably stop until you figure out exactly what he's trying to do .. there's potential to destroy the system |
| 13:32.18 | schmack | i want to erase my sys but i cant remember how i'm not usign linux for 10 years |
| 13:32.26 | ethanol | .. |
| 13:32.32 | yareckon | well if you get the order switch there is |
| 13:32.33 | \amethyst | schmack: you want to erase it while it's still running? |
| 13:32.42 | abrotman | schmack: which distro are you using? |
| 13:32.50 | schmack | lenny 5.0.4 |
| 13:32.55 | yareckon | schmack... you want to use shred |
| 13:32.57 | ethanol | schmack: you haven't used a computer for over 10 years either? |
| 13:33.00 | abrotman | yareckon: stop |
| 13:33.08 | yareckon | backs away |
| 13:33.10 | abrotman | schmack: use whatever the next OS is to format the system |
| 13:33.13 | Araneidae | schmack, why not just reinstall? |
| 13:33.15 | ethanol | lol, 5.x has been out for 10 years? I doubt that.. |
| 13:33.16 | yareckon | indeeed |
| 13:33.43 | abrotman | there's the possibility it's not even his system |
| 13:33.53 | simonrvn | duh |
| 13:33.56 | yareckon | that is indeed a possibility |
| 13:34.04 | ethanol | how astute of you |
| 13:34.21 | abrotman | yu're all just throwing random suggestions out there.. |
| 13:34.31 | abrotman | puts his 'o' back .. |
| 13:34.35 | schmack | not not the / just i want to boot it |
| 13:34.37 | simonrvn | not i, dear sir |
| 13:34.44 | ethanol | schmack: big giant magnets are always your safest bet |
| 13:34.52 | abrotman | schmack: what is your native language? |
| 13:34.54 | blahdeblah | Hi. Is there any way to install an amd64 version of lenny as a Xen domU in paravirtualized mode? When i try to install from ISO image, it says i can only do fully virtualized, and i can't find a URL which will allow netboot-based adm64 install. |
| 13:34.57 | schmack | bg :)))))))))) |
| 13:35.00 | newb0 | justin_: The machine with the 2 LAN boards do not connect at internet too, I can only ping the modem, to "localhost" access the internet, I do iptables rule too? |
| 13:35.04 | ethanol | bulgarian |
| 13:35.05 | abrotman | lovely .. no Bulgarian channel |
| 13:35.07 | schmack | yes |
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| 13:35.20 | ethanol | meh my friend speaks it, but she's no tech geek |
| 13:35.21 | justin_ | newb0: you don't need iptables rules to access the internet. |
| 13:35.27 | \amethyst | maybe he's old enough to speak Russian? |
| 13:35.39 | simonrvn | perhaps |
| 13:35.40 | schmack | i don't know |
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| 13:35.52 | schmack | how can i do/made the DIR to goind to /dev/nul to be gone |
| 13:35.58 | schmack | but not with rm -rvf |
| 13:36.01 | newb0 | justin_: what can be wrong with that config then? |
| 13:36.01 | Bushmills | newb0: if you want to ping from a machine connected to one interface internet connected to the other interface, yes, iptables needed |
| 13:36.16 | abrotman | schmack: why can't you just install another OS over your / ? |
| 13:36.21 | \amethyst | schmack: why do you need to delete a directory without rm -rf ? |
| 13:36.27 | Bushmills | newb0: but first see that you get internet on that machine with two interfaces. no iptables needed for that |
| 13:36.32 | schmack | it's a slow |
| 13:36.38 | ethanol | it is not |
| 13:36.44 | \amethyst | schmack: but only one directory, not the whole system ? |
| 13:36.55 | schmack | \amethyst: yes yes :)) \amethyst |
| 13:36.56 | abrotman | while it's running! |
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| 13:37.04 | ethanol | schmack: what directory? |
| 13:37.05 | \amethyst | schmack: sorry, rm -rf is really your only option then |
| 13:37.11 | abrotman | too many smileys .. not enough knowledge .. you should probably stop ? |
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| 13:37.15 | newb0 | Bushmills: Undestood :) then my first problem is at route table |
| 13:37.19 | simonrvn | wonders what the goal of that is .... |
| 13:37.19 | schmack | \amethyst: /lib/modules |
| 13:37.23 | \amethyst | hmm |
| 13:37.31 | schmack | i have 10000 kernesl |
| 13:37.33 | abrotman | schmack: why can't you just install antoher OS? |
| 13:37.35 | abrotman | another |
| 13:37.35 | simonrvn | i'm with abrotman here. barely knows what /dev/null is ... |
| 13:37.46 | ethanol | simonrvn: it's nothing! |
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| 13:37.47 | abrotman | schmack: is this your computer? |
| 13:37.48 | \amethyst | schmack: is it actually taking up too much space? |
| 13:37.55 | schmack | yes lenny 5.0.4 |
| 13:38.02 | jelly | schmack: you don't want to delete /lib/modules/current-kernel-version, though |
| 13:38.06 | Caelum | there is some way to run make-kpkg without it rebuilding everything for a minor change, but I forgot what it is |
| 13:38.06 | \amethyst | schmack: you could instead just move it out of the way, *BUT* that means that you won't be able to boot |
| 13:38.08 | abrotman | schmack: so why can't you just install another OS over the Debian ? |
| 13:38.19 | abrotman | Caelum: depends, usually not |
| 13:38.23 | jelly | schmack: for all the other directories in /lib/modules, rm -rf is good enough |
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| 13:38.25 | schmack | \amethyst: current will be there aways |
| 13:38.41 | abrotman | this is going to end badly for the person that owns that computer |
| 13:38.42 | Caelum | abrotman: I think I edited the rules or something... would be a nice feature to have |
| 13:39.00 | \amethyst | schmack: perhaps mv /lib/modules /lib/junkmodules; mkdir /lib/modules; cp -a /lib/modules/$(uname -r) /lib/modules |
| 13:39.03 | abrotman | Caelum: man make-kpkg ? .. i don't remember seeing anything |
| 13:39.22 | \amethyst | oop |
| 13:39.29 | justin_ | schmack: what are you trying to accomplish? |
| 13:39.30 | \amethyst | schmack: mv /lib/modules /lib/junkmodules; mkdir /lib/modules; cp -a /lib/junkmodules/$(uname -r) /lib/modules |
| 13:39.37 | \amethyst | schmack: to move the directory out of the way, and move the current kernel's modules back to the right place |
| 13:39.39 | abrotman | or just keep helping him destroy it ... |
| 13:39.44 | \amethyst | schmack: but that won't actually remove anything |
| 13:39.50 | jelly | \amethyst: nothing wrong with mv /lib/junkmodules/$(uname -r) /lib/modules/ instead of cp |
| 13:39.51 | schmack | ok i will yse rm -rvf but ineed to wait 1000 hours! for 15 kernels and .ko files and dirs this is nervous i cant remember some cammands |
| 13:40.04 | Caelum | abrotman: yeah there's nothing in the interface it gives you |
| 13:40.14 | \amethyst | schmack: wait, are there 15 kernels or 10000? |
| 13:40.19 | abrotman | schmack: why can't you just install another OS? |
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| 13:40.23 | \amethyst | if there are 15, it shouldn't take so long to remove |
| 13:40.24 | schmack | jelly ok |
| 13:40.25 | simonrvn | wtf does he have 15 kernels there? |
| 13:40.26 | abrotman | schmack: why can't you just install another OS? |
| 13:40.41 | schmack | abrotman: yes i'm waiting for debian 6.0 |
| 13:40.43 | jelly | schmack: can you pastebin the output of "ls -l /lib/modules" and "dpkg -S /lib/modules/*" ? |
| 13:40.43 | schmack | what is a release date |
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| 13:40.53 | abrotman | schmack: not any time soon .. why are you trying to do this? |
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| 13:41.04 | ethanol | bulgarians are not so smart with computers |
| 13:41.15 | abrotman | ethanol: and you are? |
| 13:41.16 | yareckon | oh boy |
| 13:41.31 | ethanol | abrotman: they're better at drinking beer than me, that's for sure |
| 13:41.31 | schmack | heh first computer on the world is made by bulgarian |
| 13:41.33 | jelly | ethanol: that's too obvious a bait, dude |
| 13:41.34 | abrotman | still thinks the whole thing is suspicious |
| 13:41.36 | Bushmills | "Debian 5.0 (lenny) was released February 14, 2009" .. why not simply continue to use lenny? |
| 13:41.42 | schmack | the electronic calculator by John Atanasov |
| 13:41.42 | ethanol | :> |
| 13:41.53 | simonrvn | my alarm bells are twitching and ringing |
| 13:41.56 | abrotman | notes that owuldn't be the first computer |
| 13:42.02 | Caelum | does the kernel team have a channel somewhere? |
| 13:42.12 | abrotman | Caelum: #debian-kernel on irc.oftc.net .. if anyone is awake |
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| 13:42.19 | Caelum | abrotman: awesome thank you |
| 13:42.19 | ethanol | if he is using lenny. how the hell did he end up with 15 kernels? |
| 13:42.22 | Bushmills | around 2000 was slink |
| 13:42.27 | newb0 | justin_: I don't understood this: if my route table (http://pastebin.com/bQg6qJ33) to 192.168.253.0 is eth1, why I can only ping the modem if I specify eth1? (ping -I eth1 192.168.253.254) |
| 13:42.35 | abrotman | Bushmills: 1999 IIRC .. but it's been a long time .. |
| 13:42.41 | yareckon | schmack... use google my friend rather than trolling us |
| 13:42.48 | abrotman | !tell Bushmills about release history |
| 13:42.50 | \amethyst | schmack: if a directory with 10000 kernels and a few million files takes a long time to delete, that's normal. If it has only 15 kernels and 10000 files, it should not take so long |
| 13:42.54 | Bushmills | slink predated even potato |
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| 13:42.57 | abrotman | win me! |
| 13:42.59 | \amethyst | even with XFS, it shouldn't take more than a minute or two |
| 13:43.06 | schmack | ok |
| 13:43.09 | schmack | yareckon ok |
| 13:43.19 | justin_ | newb0: did you do something to break your system that are you not telling us? |
| 13:43.21 | jelly | \amethyst: is xfs even slower at deleting files than ext3? |
| 13:43.21 | yareckon | the advice you are getting here is fine |
| 13:43.30 | \amethyst | jelly: IIRC |
| 13:43.41 | ethanol | newb0: you have a weird network setup |
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| 13:43.49 | \amethyst | jelly: maybe I have it backwards |
| 13:43.54 | r0nin | how can I run rsync via cron job when it requires a password entered? |
| 13:44.14 | yareckon | r0nin, you can setup ssh keys |
| 13:44.22 | yareckon | but it is a security hole |
| 13:44.35 | r0nin | :o |
| 13:44.54 | \amethyst | jelly: ah, it doesn't take as long, but it uses much more CPU than ext3 |
| 13:45.03 | r0nin | have been doing it with samba and rsyncing, maybe ill just keep it that way |
| 13:45.14 | jelly | r0nin: man rsync, either use --password-file, or the environment variable |
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| 13:45.43 | yareckon | that might be a better idea... still requires a file somewhere with yr password for the other system lying around |
| 13:46.00 | Bushmills | no. ssh keys are preferable |
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| 13:46.10 | \amethyst | a file with a password in it is less secure than ssh keys :) |
| 13:46.18 | jelly | blinks |
| 13:46.23 | yareckon | my home server backs up my web server ... with a passwordless ssh key |
| 13:46.38 | jelly | \amethyst, Bushmills: what are you two smoking |
| 13:46.38 | IceWewe | is there a package available for atatool? I want to pull a hot IDE drive... |
| 13:46.50 | \amethyst | jelly: huh? |
| 13:46.58 | schmack | heh |
| 13:46.58 | Bushmills | jelly: my socks, why? |
| 13:47.04 | jelly | "\amethyst> a file with a password in it is less secure than ssh keys :) |
| 13:47.08 | \amethyst | jelly: How is a password file more secure than ssh keys? |
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| 13:47.32 | \amethyst | jelly: I can tell you at least one way in which it is more secure, which is that authorized_keys lets you say that this key is good only to run a particular command |
| 13:47.41 | yareckon | they both suck.. but sometimes we want machines to do things automagically |
| 13:48.10 | ethanol | security is overrated |
| 13:48.12 | yareckon | yeah the user should only be able to access the dir you want to backup |
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| 13:48.20 | AlexC_ | Morning |
| 13:48.21 | r0nin | haha |
| 13:48.26 | yareckon | ethanol, beginning to see where your nick comes from |
| 13:48.29 | \amethyst | jelly: also, if the password file is compromised that affects all the users; whereas is the key is compromised you can remove it from authorized_keys without affecting anyone else |
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| 13:48.35 | jelly | \amethyst: I didn't say a password file was more secure than ssh keys, I merely stated it is not less secure, under the assumption of proper usage |
| 13:48.35 | ethanol | yareckon: <3 |
| 13:48.36 | simonrvn | drinking it |
| 13:48.37 | \amethyst | s/is the/if the/ |
| 13:48.54 | AlexC_ | I have 'AllowGroups adm' in my /etc/ssh/sshd_config file, however I also want to allow the user 'foobar' (who is not in 'adm' group) access to SSH. I added the line 'AllowUsers foobar' however this user can still not login |
| 13:48.59 | Bushmills | there's one purpose for ssh keys - that is to allow passwordless login. key would have to be without passphrase, though. using a key allows already to turn off interactive password login on ssh server altogether. |
| 13:49.14 | jelly | \amethyst: I use rsync protocol for crontab rsync, not ssh. |
| 13:49.33 | fireba11 | hi, i need to grow my XFS ... now i'm running into the xfs_growfs: XFS_IOC_FSGROWFSDATA xfsctl failed: Invalid argument |
| 13:49.51 | fireba11 | bug .. i found plenty about the bug but not how i can get it working .. any help please? |
| 13:49.51 | Bushmills | in terms of stealing files to enable access, one can be stolen just as the other can. consider though that ssh requires private keys with permissions set restrictively |
| 13:49.53 | ethanol | fireba11: invalid argument |
| 13:50.06 | jelly | \amethyst: I do not know what transport r0nin uses, and do not presume it's ssh |
| 13:50.07 | yareckon | AlexC_, does foobar have a shell set in /etc/passwd? |
| 13:50.10 | Bushmills | reading a password from (any) file is not protected in such a way |
| 13:50.14 | \amethyst | jelly: that is true |
| 13:50.31 | fireba11 | ethanol: i'm only calling xfs_growfs /dev/device ... |
| 13:50.43 | AlexC_ | yareckon: yes and in /var/log/auth I get "User foobar from ........ not allowed because none of user's groups are listed in AllowGroups" |
| 13:50.44 | Bushmills | that's two points already where password files are weaker than keys |
| 13:51.00 | yareckon | ok... telling us that makes sense first |
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| 13:51.15 | newb0 | justin_: eeerrr! sorry! My mistake! I changed my lan cables. (-.-') Next step... |
| 13:51.26 | yareckon | sounds like sshd is only accepting the intersection of AllowGroups and AllowUsers |
| 13:51.26 | fireba11 | ethanol: seems to be related to amd64 ... |
| 13:51.35 | newb0 | justin_: My DNS do not works at this machine yet |
| 13:51.38 | yareckon | just add foobar to AllowGroups |
| 13:51.50 | justin_ | newb0: why are you not just using dhcp on the internet connection? |
| 13:51.51 | AlexC_ | yareckon: but, this *should* work, right? |
| 13:51.55 | yareckon | most debian users have a eponymous group |
| 13:52.20 | yareckon | yeah, I am proposing a workaround... dunno if AllowGroups and AllowUsers *should* be intersection or union |
| 13:52.28 | yareckon | what does the manpage say? |
| 13:53.07 | \amethyst | "If specified, login is allowd only for users ..." so intersection |
| 13:53.14 | newb0 | justin_: between the modem and this "server" I will have another LAN I can't touch at config :( |
| 13:53.43 | justin_ | newb0: does do you mean by "another LAN" you've used "LAN" to mean 2 different things so far |
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| 13:54.16 | \amethyst | I'm not clear what it means by stating the order in which they are processed though... that would imply that one overrides the other |
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| 13:54.42 | AlexC_ | yeah, which makes sense - you're explicity allow a user, regardless of if they are in any group |
| 13:54.50 | AlexC_ | however, that is not the behaviour I am seeing |
| 13:55.22 | r0nin | Well right now I have a samba server holding files for many people at the company, need to backup everything and have been mounting the shares and locally rsyncing them to the backup drives. |
| 13:55.30 | yareckon | is there a flag further up the file that specifies that sort of behavior.. like apache's allow denz order? |
| 13:55.37 | r0nin | that sound terrible inefficient or anything? |
| 13:55.41 | AlexC_ | yareckon: no |
| 13:55.43 | justin_ | r0nin: yes |
| 13:55.44 | newb0 | justin_: The 192.168.253.x it's a network from another sector. The 254.x will be my internal network, down from this machine. But I only have internet at 253.x |
| 13:56.02 | yareckon | r0nin, sounds like a lot of work |
| 13:56.23 | yareckon | but not horrible in terms of moving bits |
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| 13:56.27 | r0nin | not really, just making a bash script to mount and then copy the files |
| 13:56.28 | newb0 | justin_: then the idea of this machine is connect 254.x to 253.x internet |
| 13:56.41 | r0nin | id like to use just rsync though |
| 13:56.47 | justin_ | newb0: do you want to setup a transparent proxy, or just a proxy? |
| 13:56.58 | Bushmills | newb0: does the internet gateway have any reason to router packets from your machine to internet, and the replies back to you? |
| 13:57.04 | Bushmills | to route .. |
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| 13:57.17 | yareckon | rsync is efficient... but you are not really doing a backup in the sense of having a record of the last state plus previous states |
| 13:57.21 | justin_ | r0nin: you should use an actual backup program, like backuppc, amanda, bacula... |
| 13:57.32 | r0nin | bahh, why? |
| 13:57.35 | yareckon | itäs more of a hardware disaster recovery drive |
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| 13:58.04 | yareckon | cause if someone corrupted the annual report last week and you just synced the drives... there is no good copy |
| 13:58.20 | yareckon | you have a separate disk with another bad file |
| 13:58.31 | yareckon | r0nin, look at rsnapshot |
| 13:58.41 | yareckon | or one of justin's suggestions |
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| 13:58.58 | ethanol | I use rdiff-backup |
| 13:58.59 | ethanol | I think |
| 13:58.59 | ethanol | :x |
| 13:59.04 | \amethyst | yareckon: rsync lets you do that |
| 13:59.21 | \amethyst | yareckon: I use rsync with --link-dest as a kind of poor man's Time Machine |
| 13:59.28 | yareckon | rsnapsot IS rsync plus links |
| 13:59.36 | Bushmills | or duplicity, using the rsync libs, but allowing connection over for example ftp |
| 13:59.37 | yareckon | and a simple config file |
| 14:00.02 | Bushmills | also encryption, and incremental backups |
| 14:00.26 | yareckon | encryption + incremental is a nice trick |
| 14:00.28 | yareckon | hmm |
| 14:00.34 | yareckon | what is that called |
| 14:00.40 | yareckon | duplicity? |
| 14:00.49 | Bushmills | if doing backup to an external server, very much wanted. yes, duplicity |
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| 14:01.52 | eddeboy | hi |
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| 14:02.08 | eddeboy | i installed apache2 + php5 and when i try to install the smf forum software, it does not work |
| 14:02.11 | eddeboy | http://eddeboy.com/forum |
| 14:02.17 | eddeboy | it just... asks me to download the file |
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| 14:02.20 | eddeboy | as i won't |
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| 14:03.24 | abrotman | eddeboy: did you install libapache2-mod-php5 ? |
| 14:03.37 | newb0 | justin_: not decides yet about the proxy (transparent or not). But I think wil be just a proxy (I think some application here could not works with transparent) |
| 14:03.45 | schweppp | hi guys. I've got a massive problem. Apache isn't serving any pages, and I cant diagnose the problem as ps, top and netstat are hanging |
| 14:04.08 | ethanol | schweppp: pull the plug |
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| 14:04.11 | eddeboy | abrotman: yes |
| 14:04.18 | schweppp | ethonal - tried rebooting. no joy |
| 14:04.20 | Bushmills | that also makes it somewhat difficult for us to diagnose it |
| 14:04.24 | ethanol | schweppp: I meant lan |
| 14:04.28 | schweppp | bushmills - yup |
| 14:04.37 | schweppp | ethonal - ok, ill try |
| 14:04.46 | Bushmills | i think we can safely say "there is something wrong" |
| 14:05.01 | abrotman | eddeboy: make sure it's enabled, a2enmod php5 |
| 14:05.05 | schweppp | ha ha, yes. its a beautiful sunny day and my server is fucked |
| 14:05.09 | ethanol | schweppp: do you serve pages to the web, or just localhost? cause in the latter case pulling the plug it makes no sense |
| 14:05.23 | schweppp | to the web |
| 14:05.25 | ethanol | mkay |
| 14:05.26 | eddeboy | abrotman: ok |
| 14:05.30 | abrotman | schweppp: boot into single user mode ? |
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| 14:05.46 | schweppp | abro how do i do that remotely? |
| 14:05.54 | newb0 | Bushmills: Let me see if I understood your question: the internet gateway uoy are talking about it's the modem? Or this new PC? If it's the modem, the reason to be router it's a config of 253.x LAN, this lan works with the modem routing to internet. |
| 14:06.01 | ethanol | schweppp: well, how do you remotely unplug your lan? :| |
| 14:06.18 | Bushmills | newb0: i have no idea - you should ask the one who knows your network setup. |
| 14:06.19 | schweppp | ethonal - i just thought that through. it aint gonna help |
| 14:06.32 | ethanol | schweppp: apache2ctl stop ? |
| 14:06.40 | schweppp | what would cause netstat and ps to hang? |
| 14:06.48 | Bushmills | newb0: as all i know is "there is a lan between internet and your machine" |
| 14:07.21 | schweppp | eth: have stopped the apache service. netstat is still hanging |
| 14:07.31 | Bushmills | somewhere is a machine, connecting lan to internet |
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| 14:07.38 | Bushmills | that's what i call "gateway" |
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| 14:08.05 | Bushmills | but such a gateway doesn't (need to) forward just anything to internet |
| 14:08.09 | ethanol | schweppp: `w` also gives load, does that run/return anything? |
| 14:08.10 | yareckon | but it boots ok? |
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| 14:08.21 | voed | I am trying to use openbox with tin2, roxfiler, iDesk etc. stuff | my ~/.xsession contains "exec openbox-session" .. What to add, so that it also starts other essential programs ? |
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| 14:08.22 | schweppp | eth: ps w?? |
| 14:08.25 | ethanol | no |
| 14:08.28 | ethanol | just `w |
| 14:08.30 | ethanol | `w |
| 14:08.33 | schweppp | ok |
| 14:08.34 | ethanol | eofejr damnit |
| 14:08.35 | Bushmills | so when it has no reason to forward your intended internete traffic, it may be that it simply won't |
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| 14:08.40 | newb0 | Bushmills: In my test here, this lan is only a Switch with some machines connected and the modem connected too. The unique gateway in this network is the modem. |
| 14:09.01 | ethanol | w |
| 14:09.06 | ethanol | errr, wrong terminal |
| 14:09.11 | Bushmills | newb0: dsl modem? |
| 14:09.21 | newb0 | Bushmills: yes! |
| 14:09.44 | newb0 | Bushmills: A huawei MT880a |
| 14:09.44 | schweppp | eth: ok w runs but only shows bash and w |
| 14:09.45 | Bushmills | figure out whether it operates in transparent mode, or whether it connects to provider by itself |
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| 14:10.06 | justin_ | newb0: so... |
| 14:10.13 | justin_ | newb0: why are you not just using dhcp on the internet connection? |
| 14:10.22 | Bushmills | in the latter case, it is most likely that it also runs a dhcp server |
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| 14:10.42 | newb0 | bushmills: The modem connects itself to internet, all I need do at machines (into 253.x network) is configure the gateway and the DNS to the modem IP |
| 14:10.48 | Bushmills | in the first case, another machine does the actual connection, and the modem being more a kind of ... adapter |
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| 14:11.08 | yareckon | schweppp, can you read logs... what happens when the system is booting? have you read dmesg? etc.. |
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| 14:11.23 | Bushmills | newb0: use dhcp, let those be set by the replies from the modem |
| 14:11.26 | schweppp | ive looked at syslong, ill check dmesg |
| 14:11.30 | yareckon | "/var/log/messages" or apache log |
| 14:11.32 | fireba11 | is there any way around http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=485020 except upgrading to lenny? |
| 14:11.36 | ethanol | schweppp: I was more interested in system load, is it excessively high? |
| 14:11.42 | Bushmills | newb0: dhclient eth1 |
| 14:11.51 | rascal999 | i'm following the instructions here http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/i386/ch04s04.html and i've copied the mini.iso to usb stick but the installer looks for iso's on hard drives, how do i change this? |
| 14:11.52 | justin_ | Bushmills: no. |
| 14:12.09 | schweppp | eth: i was stopping each service and trying netstat. i tried tabbing /etc/init.d/ and that frooze too??? |
| 14:12.10 | ethanol | sarge? |
| 14:12.11 | ethanol | lol |
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| 14:12.23 | newb0 | justin_: Ah! The DHCP config it's into my squid machine, not at modem, correct? |
| 14:12.42 | justin_ | newb0: no idea what you just said |
| 14:12.47 | schweppp | eth: load average is 0. its only a small web server |
| 14:12.55 | Bushmills | justin_: "no" what? |
| 14:13.03 | yareckon | schweppp, are you sure you rebooted? |
| 14:13.08 | justin_ | no, never tell people to run dhclient directly |
| 14:13.16 | yareckon | or did it just hang going down? |
| 14:13.19 | schweppp | yar: ill do it again, just for you |
| 14:13.27 | yareckon | don'T |
| 14:13.35 | yareckon | just wanted to know how you know? |
| 14:13.38 | Bushmills | justin_: don't change the config unless you know that dhcp request are actually honoured |
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| 14:13.59 | schweppp | yar: know what? |
| 14:14.14 | ethanol | schweppp: what's system uptime? |
| 14:14.15 | justin_ | or, backup the config, modify it, and then restore it if it doesn't work |
| 14:14.20 | ethanol | that should answer it quick enough |
| 14:14.20 | yareckon | thanks ethanol |
| 14:14.34 | justin_ | otherwise you get to help him again when he comesback asking why his connection doesn't work after he rebooted |
| 14:14.41 | schweppp | yar: 0 min now |
| 14:14.41 | newb0 | justin_: Ah! The DHCP config it's into my squid machine, not at modem, correct? |
| 14:14.46 | yareckon | ok |
| 14:14.47 | newb0 | ops |
| 14:14.56 | schweppp | tried dmesg. hangs :S |
| 14:15.02 | ethanol | wth |
| 14:15.04 | ethanol | :| |
| 14:15.06 | voed | I am trying to use openbox with tin2, roxfiler, iDesk etc. stuff | my ~/.xsession contains "exec openbox-session" .. What to add, so that it also starts other essential programs ? |
| 14:15.08 | justin_ | newb0: I didn't understand what you said the first time, repeating it isn't going to help |
| 14:15.15 | ethanol | schweppp: define 'hangs' ? |
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| 14:15.31 | schweppp | eth: stops outputting. doesnt respond to control C |
| 14:15.34 | justin_ | voed: foo & bar & exec openbox-session |
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| 14:15.49 | yareckon | you then do what? |
| 14:15.52 | ethanol | schweppp: you're doing this through a client such as putty, or what? |
| 14:15.58 | schweppp | yeah, putty |
| 14:16.02 | Bushmills | wonders why newb0 ended up with static config in first place |
| 14:16.09 | newb0 | justin_: wrong message xD The configuration to DHCP I need do it's only at my eth1 device? Or I need change the modem config? |
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| 14:16.17 | ethanol | schweppp: did you try dumping dmesg > tmp |
| 14:16.20 | newb0 | hehehe |
| 14:16.20 | ethanol | and then opening tmp file |
| 14:16.26 | Bushmills | installer should have asked to "autoconfig" prior to package download |
| 14:16.32 | schweppp | eth: ill try |
| 14:16.57 | justin_ | newb0: unless someone turned off dhcp on the modem, you should not have to change anything on the modem |
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| 14:17.53 | schweppp | eth: ok, it completes successfully, but the file only contains about 12 lines |
| 14:18.03 | ethanol | pastebin them |
| 14:18.04 | sc30317 | Where is the trash directory located in Debian? I can't find it |
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| 14:18.21 | Dassu | sc30317: .trash |
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| 14:18.33 | sc30317 | Dassu, in which directory? |
| 14:18.37 | schweppp | eth: http://pastebin.com/BJ7eUeAL |
| 14:18.37 | Dassu | home |
| 14:18.41 | sc30317 | nope |
| 14:18.48 | Dassu | .Trash? |
| 14:18.53 | Dassu | try .Tr <tab> |
| 14:18.53 | ponyofdeath | hi, after i add an file to modprobe.d how do i get it to update the modules conf update-modules does not seem to be on the system |
| 14:18.57 | chinadavid | I have a usb wireless dongle,it can not be recognized by default 2.6.32 kernel.The vendor id and product id -----1472:0007,made by huawei-3com,type:Aolynk WUB300g,54m b/g,with zd1211 chip,I hope you can add support for this one in later editions |
| 14:18.58 | chinadavid | By googling,I echo the 1472 0007 0 0 0 to /sys/driver/../new_ids,then I can find some weak aps by iwlist and connect to internet.however,its really wield that it can not find the ap close to it,which have the best signal on windows system.what's wrong?how to resolve it?and could you kindly give some advice on making kernel module of zd1211rw.ko? |
| 14:19.08 | sc30317 | Dassu, tried that nothing |
| 14:19.25 | sc30317 | that was my first search |
| 14:19.27 | Dassu | It has to be there! ò_ó. Try mount root |
| 14:19.43 | chinadavid | heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeelp |
| 14:19.43 | sc30317 | I have tried both as a user and a root user |
| 14:19.57 | ethanol | chinadavid: get a better dongle |
| 14:20.17 | ethanol | debian has a trash directory? |
| 14:20.33 | chinadavid | the dongle works well in other distros like slackware and gentoo |
| 14:20.44 | chinadavid | also on windows xp and win 7 |
| 14:21.13 | newb0 | justin_: ok! DHCP is on at modem, eth1 is running with DHCP. No internet yet :( |
| 14:21.17 | yareckon | chinadavid, is your closest AP on a channel like 13 or 14 that may be related to which continent you are on? |
| 14:21.17 | abrotman | wonders which linux kernel windows7 has now |
| 14:21.41 | chinadavid | channel 13 |
| 14:21.45 | ethanol | guesses chinadavid is in china |
| 14:21.56 | justin_ | newb0: do you have your cables backwards again? |
| 14:22.01 | chinadavid | yes I 'm in shanghai ,china |
| 14:22.17 | yareckon | maybe chinadavids os only does wireless up to 12 (the highest north american channel) |
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| 14:22.35 | yareckon | don't know how to set this in debian, but that is quite likely your issue |
| 14:22.50 | yareckon | google wlan channel 13 debian maybe |
| 14:22.54 | chinadavid | but work well on slackware ,windows,gentoo |
| 14:23.06 | newb0 | justin_: not this time xD I can ping the modem, but not the google :( |
| 14:23.11 | yareckon | which is configured somewhere in either driver or OS |
| 14:23.23 | chinadavid | now I swich to debian,its really discouraging... |
| 14:23.24 | yareckon | which could be diffeerent on those other systems |
| 14:23.44 | yareckon | there is doubtless a way to fix it if you are interested |
| 14:23.52 | schweppp | ok. something is very wrong. I just ran ls -la on my home dir. that hangs after displaying . |
| 14:24.08 | ethanol | uh |
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| 14:24.08 | jordanm | schweppp: dmesg |
| 14:24.10 | justin_ | schweppp: you have something mounted in ~/ ? |
| 14:24.25 | newb0 | Bushmills: DHCP on, but can't ping google :P |
| 14:24.25 | schweppp | justin: no |
| 14:24.32 | schweppp | jordan: dmesg hangs |
| 14:24.46 | yareckon | schweppp, do you use ldap on this system with pam? |
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| 14:24.54 | pharm_ | hi all |
| 14:25.02 | schweppp | yar: no. is a very simple webserver and mail server |
| 14:25.04 | pharm_ | just wanted to say: your os is awesom! :) |
| 14:25.08 | pharm_ | +e |
| 14:25.20 | Bushmills | newb0: try to ping 74.125.39.99 |
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| 14:25.58 | newb0 | Bushmills: working |
| 14:26.05 | yareckon | schwepp, anything else you can think of that changed recently |
| 14:26.17 | chinadavid | I don't know how to make kernel modules on debian,Ihave successfully made modules on slackware by add vendor id and product in in source code.on debian ,I can not get a build directory!my kernel edition is 2.6.32-modern,squeeze distro |
| 14:26.46 | chinadavid | hhhhhhhhhheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeelp |
| 14:26.46 | Bushmills | newb0: what does cat /etc/resolv.conf give as server? |
| 14:26.53 | abrotman | chinadavid: stop doing that |
| 14:26.59 | yareckon | chinadavid, it is very possible to compile stuff on debian... screaming doesn't help |
| 14:27.18 | chinadavid | I want to know how... |
| 14:27.27 | schweppp | yar: all ive changed is disabling a site and uploading some new files to another site |
| 14:27.27 | abrotman | chinadavid: you haven't given us much useful information |
| 14:27.34 | yareckon | what search engines doe you still have in china? |
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| 14:27.40 | chinadavid | I have aptitude all relevant souce code... |
| 14:27.43 | abrotman | !tell chinadavid about zd1211 |
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| 14:28.04 | abrotman | chinadavid: setup the non-free sources, install the firmware, reboot, configure wifi .. enjoy |
| 14:28.30 | chinadavid | I have done all those jobs you mentioned ,abrotman |
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| 14:28.34 | yareckon | note that you still will probably have the channel 13 problem |
| 14:28.44 | abrotman | chinadavid: dpkg -l zd1211-firmware .. which version do you have installed? |
| 14:28.56 | newb0 | Bushmills: cat /etc/resolv.conf : nameserver 192.168.253.25 |
| 14:29.06 | newb0 | *254 at end |
| 14:29.26 | chinadavid | and the dongle can work well with those weak signal aps ,but not on the best signal ap! |
| 14:29.35 | Bushmills | make sure that that is a valid (working) name server. if it isn't, fix it, or use another one |
| 14:29.56 | chinadavid | ok,let me see the firmware edition |
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| 14:30.41 | newb0 | Bushmills: Yes, It's the modem's IP who works at 254.x network |
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| 14:30.59 | MrJK | Hi |
| 14:31.05 | yareckon | hi! |
| 14:31.20 | MrJK | Is Debian Backports are less secure than normal repo ? |
| 14:31.46 | newb0 | Bushmills: I removed resolv.conf content and Internet it's working, but why??? |
| 14:31.49 | Bushmills | try to replace that ip address in your resolv.com against 8.8.8.8 or 4.2.2.1 |
| 14:32.01 | chinadavid | abrotman,my edition is :2.21.0.0-1~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |
| 14:32.08 | MrJK | Or maybe better: is backports adapted for exploitation ? |
| 14:32.15 | Bushmills | or another public name server, closer to your qth, luxembourg that should be? |
| 14:32.34 | abrotman | judd: versions zd1211-firmware |
| 14:32.36 | judd | zd1211-firmware -- etch/non-free: 2.16.0.0-0.1; lenny/non-free: 2.21.0.0-0.1; sid/non-free: 2.21.0.0-1; squeeze/non-free: 2.21.0.0-1 |
| 14:32.41 | Bushmills | then you should have (temporarily) internet, until your local name server has been fixed |
| 14:32.47 | abrotman | chinadavid: and what have you done to configure you wifi? |
| 14:32.50 | abrotman | your wifi |
| 14:32.58 | newb0 | Bushmills: I removed the file content ant it's working, But I not understood why :( |
| 14:33.13 | newb0 | *I don't |
| 14:33.28 | yareckon | MrJK, http://www.backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=faq |
| 14:33.40 | chinadavid | iwlist scan and can not find the ap in my home !but can find others' and connect it to internet! |
| 14:33.46 | yareckon | sounds like there is ver limited security support |
| 14:34.05 | yareckon | best effort |
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| 14:34.34 | yareckon | http://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/status/release/stable-backports |
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| 14:36.02 | chinadavid | abrotman, could you tell me how to make module on debia squeeze ,I wanna have a try to see if my echoing ids to /sys lead to the result... |
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| 14:36.55 | jordanm | chinadavid: you can use module-assistant, dkms, or something similar to what you did on slackware. the first two methods are preferred |
| 14:37.02 | MrJK | yareckon: cheers :) |
| 14:37.13 | newb0 | justin_: Well, Internet working now! Next step: squid \o/ |
| 14:37.23 | chinadavid | jordanm,I have installed the m-a,can not make module.... |
| 14:37.32 | jordanm | !errors |
| 14:37.32 | dpkg | If you don't tell us the exact error messages you get, we can't tell you what's wrong, and it's also useful to know exactly what command you're typing. Please look for the *first* error that occurs, as this is often the cause of later errors -- ask me about <localized errors> too. |
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| 14:37.47 | justin_ | newb0: if you edited /etc/resolv.conf manually your dns is just going to break again soon |
| 14:37.54 | chinadavid | there is no a ./*/build..... |
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| 14:38.25 | newb0 | justin_: well... yes :'( |
| 14:38.31 | jordanm | chinadavid: look... dpkg -i foo-module-source; m-a a-i foo-module-source |
| 14:38.41 | chinadavid | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:38.46 | chinadavid | ok,let me see |
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| 14:38.52 | jordanm | chinadavid: but you still have not mentioned what module you are trying to build, what format its in, etc |
| 14:39.12 | newb0 | justin_: backing to first step... I'm restarting the machine |
| 14:39.53 | chinadavid | I want to build the module of zd1211rw.ko!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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| 14:40.19 | chinadavid | need add vendorid and product id..in source code |
| 14:41.07 | jordanm | chinadavid: that is not already built-in to the newer kernels? |
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| 14:41.49 | jordanm | chinadavid: according the compat wireless page that has been in mainline for a while |
| 14:41.59 | chinadavid | the default module does not support my vendorid productid=1472:0007 |
| 14:42.19 | chinadavid | its made by huawei-3com |
| 14:42.25 | jordanm | ,pciid 1472:0007 |
| 14:42.26 | judd | [1472:0007] is 'Unknown device' from 'DAIKIN Industries, Ltd' with no known kernel module in lenny or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1472:0007 |
| 14:42.48 | chinadavid | type is aolynk wub300g,4m b/g with chip zd1211 |
| 14:42.57 | chinadavid | 54m |
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| 14:43.21 | Mikey^ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:43.39 | Mikey^ | I am using debian lenny and I am trying to get my laptop extend on the projector |
| 14:43.41 | wols | "aolynk"? seriously? |
| 14:43.42 | jordanm | chinadavid: the last changelog entry is for .26... |
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| 14:43.53 | abrotman | Mikey^: tried the firmware Fn button ? |
| 14:43.55 | Mikey^ | I have been able to extend it to the projector using xrandr |
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| 14:44.09 | wols | chinadavid: if it is in fact a zd1211 knochoff, edit the pciid in the driver source and compile the driver yourself |
| 14:44.17 | Mikey^ | abrotman: The Fn+F7 does not work |
| 14:44.21 | Mikey^ | abrotman: xrandr --output LVDS --mode 1024x768 --output VGA --mode 1024x768 --right-of LVDS |
| 14:44.31 | Mikey^ | That extends my desktop on the projector |
| 14:44.49 | Mikey^ | But my gnome panel is on the projector not my laptop screen |
| 14:44.53 | Mikey^ | how do I switch that ? |
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| 14:44.59 | chinadavid | I have edit s usb_h by adding ids,but i can not build it .... |
| 14:45.01 | chinadavid | sigh |
| 14:45.19 | Mikey^ | only have a blank screen on the projector and have all the panel and icons on my laptop screen |
| 14:45.48 | chinadavid | abortman,my squeeze kernel edition is 2.6.32.... |
| 14:46.00 | abrotman | Mikey^: left-of ? |
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| 14:46.38 | chinadavid | I have mailed to maks@debian.org,I don't know if I can get a reply from them |
| 14:46.41 | Mikey^ | abrotman: no, just tried that, still panel goes there |
| 14:46.57 | chinadavid | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:47.03 | Mikey^ | only difference is the way I can move across the screens |
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| 14:47.32 | yareckon | these instructions http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html suggest upgrading apt first during an upgrade from etch to lenny |
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| 14:47.53 | yareckon | however when I try to do that it suggest removing a bunch of stuff that I depend on |
| 14:48.18 | yareckon | whereas just doing dist-upgrade upgrades almost all packages in place with only about 5 removals |
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| 14:48.27 | yareckon | seems backwards... |
| 14:48.32 | jordanm | yareckon: pastebin: aptitude install -f |
| 14:48.45 | Mikey^ | abrotman: any ideas ? |
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| 14:48.57 | yareckon | installing aptitude also wants to remove everthing... so no thanks :) |
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| 14:49.00 | abrotman | Mikey^: create a new panel on the other screen? |
| 14:49.13 | abrotman | yareckon: put it in a pastebin |
| 14:49.13 | jordanm | yareckon: apt-get install -f |
| 14:49.21 | Mikey^ | abrotman: no, I mean the panels are on the projector screen, not on my laptop |
| 14:49.35 | jordanm | yareckon: it sounds like its wanting to remove automatically installed packages, unrelated to trying to upgrade dpkg |
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| 14:50.00 | yareckon | well, these are core packages like mysql server |
| 14:50.10 | chinadavid | abrotman and jordanm and other guys,thank you all the same,you are all nice and kind guys! :) 8-) ;) |
| 14:50.11 | Mikey^ | I dont want others to see that, they should be able to only see a empty screen with only the wallpaper visible and then I move apps from laptop screen to that screen for them to see |
| 14:50.12 | jordanm | yareckon: just pastebin |
| 14:50.25 | abrotman | Mikey^: oh, can't you just click the hiding button ? |
| 14:50.36 | Mikey^ | abrotman: what is that ? |
| 14:50.43 | yareckon | you two will have to explain to me what you mean ... you want me to show you something with pastebin or read something there... sorry for being slow |
| 14:51.05 | yareckon | or use it as a clipboard to reinstall stuff ..? |
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| 14:51.22 | jordanm | yareckon: pastebin the output (without accepting changes) of: apt-get install -f |
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| 14:51.28 | schweppp | i have a serious problem. apache isnt serving anything, and i cant diagnose the problem as everything i try seems to hang |
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| 14:51.44 | yareckon | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 454 not upgraded. |
| 14:51.49 | yareckon | short enough to past here |
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| 14:52.07 | Bushmills | schweppp: you are looking for consultants? |
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| 14:52.22 | karlpinc | What's the cheapest laptop-like device I can buy with debian installed? I tried getting a cherrypal africa but they failed to deliver. |
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| 14:52.26 | Mikey^ | abrotman: its not about the panels, its like I cant do something else on my laptop |
| 14:52.26 | jordanm | yareckon: alright, now for the output of the apt upgrade |
| 14:52.27 | christianp | hi all |
| 14:52.31 | Bushmills | schweppp: or is that an announcement for publishing your root password and server ip address? |
| 14:52.32 | schweppp | bush: i ahnt got much money, but i really need this fixed |
| 14:52.42 | christianp | i'm running a 64bit debian stable and i need python2.6 |
| 14:52.51 | christianp | so i compile python2.6.5 |
| 14:52.51 | schweppp | bush: what do you mean? |
| 14:52.53 | Mikey^ | I just want a presentation to run on the projector and I will do some other work on my laptop screen |
| 14:53.08 | jordanm | christianp: to /usr/local I hope |
| 14:53.17 | Bushmills | "apache isnt serving anything, and i cant diagnose the problem as everything i try seems to hang" ... what kind of help could you give if somebody else gave you that information |
| 14:53.20 | christianp | i need mod_wsgi2.8 so i nned python compiled with --enable-share option |
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| 14:53.24 | yareckon | http://pastebin.com/ks8L0m8J |
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| 14:53.39 | christianp | jordanm, i give no prefix |
| 14:53.42 | karlpinc | !tell schweppp about ask |
| 14:53.59 | christianp | but running the make i have the error: |
| 14:54.05 | christianp | /usr/bin/ld: /usr/local/lib/libpython2.6.a(abstract.o): relocation R_X86_64_32 against `a local symbol' can not be used when making a shared object; recompile with -fPIC |
| 14:54.06 | christianp | /usr/local/lib/libpython2.6.a: could not read symbols: Bad value |
| 14:54.06 | christianp | collect2: ld returned 1 exit status |
| 14:54.07 | schweppp | bush: i just want some thoughts on how to resolve this. what might cause everything to hang like it is |
| 14:54.22 | schweppp | karl: i know about ask. i just dont know how to word this one! |
| 14:54.23 | karlpinc | schweppp: What do you mean "hang"? |
| 14:54.23 | yareckon | and here is for install apt http://pastebin.com/Ww0LN6pW |
| 14:54.30 | jordanm | christianp: this is upstream support... I suggest #python |
| 14:54.33 | yareckon | aptitude rather |
| 14:54.40 | schweppp | karl: i mean it stops outputting and doesnt respond to control C |
| 14:55.00 | christianp | thanks jordanm, i did it with no luck :) |
| 14:55.04 | karlpinc | schweppp: With every command? |
| 14:55.15 | chinadavid | schweppp,your english is really shaby as mine.lol |
| 14:55.26 | chinadavid | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:55.46 | abrotman | yareckon: try changing your sources back to whatever they were, do an `aptitude update && aptitude full-upgrade` .. then try changing the sources |
| 14:55.50 | schweppp | karl: ps, netstat, and even when i tried ls -la??? |
| 14:56.07 | karlpinc | schweppp: Can you get uptime output? |
| 14:56.10 | yareckon | ok... so install aptitude with etc sources and go from there |
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| 14:56.16 | yareckon | sounds like a plan |
| 14:56.17 | jordanm | christianp: well, maybe you need a bleeding-edge OS to go with your bleeding-edge application... instead of something stable |
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| 14:56.30 | sameer666 | #j bind |
| 14:56.34 | sameer666 | #j bind |
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| 14:56.39 | Bushmills | schweppp: boot into rescue system. examine system from there |
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| 14:56.46 | simonrvn | /j #bind |
| 14:56.48 | schweppp | karl: 15:56:40 up 26 min, 2 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 |
| 14:56.55 | simonrvn | sameer666: ^^ |
| 14:57.13 | karlpinc | Bushmills: Although it would be good to diagnose the problem while it's happening. |
| 14:57.19 | jordanm | christianp: its unusual for something to require python 2.6 when there are no stable enterprise distros that contain 2.6 currently |
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| 14:57.33 | sameer666 | simonrvn: thanks, was typo :D |
| 14:57.38 | simonrvn | np |
| 14:57.45 | Sm0ke0ut | I can't get courier-imap-ssl to work. I tried to google the error but couldn't find any help so far |
| 14:57.48 | Sm0ke0ut | Starting Courier IMAP-SSL server:/etc/init.d/courier-imap-ssl: xmalloc: ../bash/variables.c:3095: cannot allocate 1065 bytes (0 bytes allocated) |
| 14:57.51 | karlpinc | schweppp: Does vmstat 1 10 say there's IO or swap? |
| 14:57.58 | chinadavid | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:57.59 | sameer666 | is there a way to point google.com to particular ip ? |
| 14:58.05 | Sm0ke0ut | It's a clean install on Debian Stable |
| 14:58.21 | karlpinc | sameer666: You should probably tell us what you're trying to accomplish. |
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| 14:58.43 | chinadavid | add route should work ...sameer666 |
| 14:59.09 | schweppp | karl: http://pastebin.com/wvxcVvt4 |
| 14:59.14 | karlpinc | chinadavid: I wouldn't think so. I would use dns or /etc/hosts, but why? |
| 14:59.17 | sameer666 | i m trying to bind9 to resolve to particular ip |
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| 14:59.37 | sameer666 | as my upstream provider is blocking certain google ips |
| 14:59.47 | karlpinc | sameer666: Setup a zone for google.com then and pretend to be authorative. |
| 14:59.54 | jordanm | for bind9, you would have to make your bind server the authoriative domain server for google.com |
| 14:59.55 | chinadavid | sameer666,you are in china???/ |
| 15:00.00 | chinadavid | which city? |
| 15:00.02 | chinadavid | lol |
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| 15:00.06 | sameer666 | chinadavid: no lol |
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| 15:00.22 | madsara | karlpinc: Why go that far when you can just alter your hosts file? |
| 15:00.29 | madsara | sameer666: What google IPs? |
| 15:00.32 | karlpinc | madsara: No particular reason. |
| 15:00.32 | chinadavid | I have the same problem .some google ips are blocked |
| 15:00.35 | sameer666 | karlpinc: any other way than tat ? |
| 15:00.35 | jordanm | madsara: what if you have 200 machines on your network? |
| 15:00.45 | karlpinc | madsara: Although dns would be lan-wide. |
| 15:00.50 | jordanm | madsara: you can make a change in your DNS server or on 200 clients |
| 15:00.51 | madsara | jordanm: Then obviously a hosts file is non-scalable. |
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| 15:01.01 | karlpinc | madsara: Not that I can think. |
| 15:01.28 | karlpinc | schweppp: You did "vmstat 1 10"? |
| 15:01.41 | karlpinc | schweppp: That looks like "vmstat" output. |
| 15:01.48 | madsara | sameer666: What IPs? |
| 15:02.20 | schweppp | karl: sorry, my bad. not familiar with the command |
| 15:02.43 | sameer666 | news.google.comcanonical name = news.l.google.com. |
| 15:02.43 | sameer666 | Name:news.l.google.com |
| 15:02.43 | sameer666 | Address: 64.233.189.104 |
| 15:02.50 | karlpinc | chinadavid: If they are "blocked" and not just spoofed with dns then changing dns won't help. |
| 15:02.51 | schweppp | karl: http://pastebin.com/ApXwXNBQ |
| 15:02.55 | sameer666 | this is resolved by my upstream provider |
| 15:03.02 | newb0 | justin_: I'm exitting now, I back in about 2 hours to continue :) Thanks for your help! |
| 15:03.05 | newb0 | Bushmills: justin_: I'm exitting now, I back in about 2 hours to continue :) Thanks for your help! |
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| 15:03.20 | damn323 | hello |
| 15:03.36 | yareckon | hi damn323, welcome to debian. How can we help you? |
| 15:03.44 | damn323 | why is python2.6 broken in sid |
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| 15:03.51 | wols | !sid |
| 15:03.51 | dpkg | sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. Sid is the destructive kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in; sid is not supported in #debian because sid users should be able to solve their own problems. Sid will never be released. See also <sid faq> <unstable>. |
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| 15:04.09 | wols | damn323: not the "destructive" part |
| 15:04.13 | wols | *note |
| 15:04.20 | sameer666 | madsara: is it any clearer ? |
| 15:04.20 | karlpinc | schweppp: Your box is not doing anything and still hanging. Check /var/log/messages and dmesg. If there's nothing there then you've either been cracked or have a hardware problem. I suspect the latter. Try running memtest86+ overnight if possible to diagnose heat related issues. |
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| 15:04.30 | damn323 | but it was fine when I installed the same distro |
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| 15:04.44 | damn323 | now suddenly I can not check out things that need python |
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| 15:04.46 | wols | damn323: please install debian 5.0.4 thank you |
| 15:04.51 | damn323 | !@#\ |
| 15:05.05 | yareckon | damn323, swearing is not nice |
| 15:05.26 | damn323 | is there no other solution |
| 15:05.27 | chinadavid | damn323,newbie should use lenny |
| 15:05.30 | schweppp | karl: thanks for your help. Im going to speak to my host to the check it physically |
| 15:05.31 | chinadavid | lol |
| 15:05.44 | abrotman | well .. i totally broke samba ..y ay |
| 15:05.50 | karlpinc | schweppp: Could be something else, but.... |
| 15:05.53 | schweppp | china: my english isnt shabby. I am english. Im just stressed :d |
| 15:06.11 | chinadavid | lol,schweppp :p |
| 15:06.15 | schweppp | karl: it seems to hang on alsorts |
| 15:06.17 | ForgeAus | breaking stuff is easy, its knowing how to fix it thats hard |
| 15:06.36 | yareckon | schweppp, see if there is a console option with your host... or if they can poke around at the hardware |
| 15:06.38 | damn323 | err sorry |
| 15:06.48 | damn323 | I am using a lenny baised distro |
| 15:06.58 | wols | damn323: from the way you reacted to the problem it is totally clear for us that sid is not the right debian for you to run |
| 15:06.58 | ForgeAus | laments "unbreak my package, say you love me again, undo this hurt ... " etc.. |
| 15:06.59 | yareckon | at least it will be someone else's job for an hour |
| 15:07.17 | wols | damn323: lenny based? what's that suppoed to mean? |
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| 15:07.24 | damn323 | I am using lenny. heh |
| 15:07.25 | yareckon | we feel your pain ForgeAus |
| 15:07.37 | damn323 | lenny Release - from /etc/sources.list |
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| 15:07.40 | karlpinc | damn323: Then you should not be installing sid packages. |
| 15:07.44 | ForgeAus | rof yareckon sofar so good with the pinning thing tho |
| 15:07.45 | damn323 | i was not |
| 15:07.58 | damn323 | i just throught this avlinux was using sid for a moment |
| 15:08.02 | ForgeAus | grr rofL (this notebook drops keys sometimes) |
| 15:08.03 | wols | damn323: you are talking bullshit. if you are actually running lenny but installed python from sid, then no one anywhere will help you anymore but tell you to reinstall. a mixed distro can't be supported |
| 15:08.13 | damn323 | are you mad? |
| 15:08.18 | wols | damn323: dpkg -l libc6 |
| 15:08.22 | woodworks | ethanol: remember i was trying to backport emacs23 and got error messages from apt-get update? I found if I cnanged apt.conf to Acquire::http::Proxy::DIRECT; it works correctly now (removed ref to localhost) |
| 15:08.22 | karlpinc | damn323: No, just realistic. |
| 15:08.26 | damn323 | k |
| 15:08.34 | ForgeAus | mad yes, but thankfully thats not a valid medical diagnosis :) |
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| 15:08.44 | ForgeAus | otherwise just about everyone I know would live in a hospital :) |
| 15:08.45 | wols | damn323: you are running avlinux? |
| 15:09.08 | karlpinc | What's the cheapest laptop-like device I can buy with debian installed? I tried getting a cherrypal africa but they failed to deliver. |
| 15:09.08 | damn323 | wols you want to see the output of that command/ |
| 15:09.14 | damn323 | yes |
| 15:09.19 | wols | !debian based |
| 15:09.19 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't know what changes were made by your distribution and it probably falls short of Debian's standards. #debian only supports Debian; you should respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 15:09.33 | damn323 | i had no problem with it when i installed it on a box yesterday |
| 15:09.38 | wols | damn323: please go to the channel of the avlinux distro. we cannot help you. we support debian only and nothing else |
| 15:09.41 | damn323 | now i cant get idjc from apt |
| 15:09.50 | damn323 | but its your repo |
| 15:09.51 | damn323 | lol |
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| 15:09.57 | wols | damn323: it's not "our" distro. go away |
| 15:10.12 | damn323 | arogant cunt |
| 15:10.33 | MASOKIS | easy guy.. |
| 15:10.55 | wols | damn323: insulting people won't get you support. espcially non-debian support. have a nice day |
| 15:11.04 | damn323 | who insulted who? |
| 15:11.12 | wols | damn323: you did |
| 15:11.13 | chinadavid | the mad man is damn323,ehm. |
| 15:11.14 | damn323 | you started running up your mouth |
| 15:11.17 | wols | abrotman: can you please remove him? |
| 15:11.22 | damn323 | like every one else is a newb to you |
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| 15:12.23 | chinadavid | I could say damn323 is from china,from his words..some local dialect in his english...lol :o I feel very sorry for him |
| 15:12.25 | yareckon | *crickets |
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| 15:13.27 | chinadavid | It's damn323 who is really mad ... |
| 15:13.39 | wols | karlpinc: there pretty much isn't anything that comes with debian. get a netbook and install debian yourself. why need it instaleld? |
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| 15:13.46 | damn323 | heh i came here because there is obviously something wrong with the lenny python2.6-minimal package |
| 15:13.47 | wols | chinadavid: best ignore him |
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| 15:13.59 | wols | ,versions python2.6-minimal |
| 15:14.01 | judd | python2.6-minimal -- squeeze: 2.6.5-1; sid: 2.6.5-2 |
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| 15:14.26 | sameer666 | any one know any other way of doing , resolving google.com to different ip ? |
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| 15:14.48 | wols | sameer666: add google.com to your /etc/hosts with an IP of your choice? |
| 15:15.04 | karlpinc | wols: Untrue. I get stuff from eracks, and IIRC others pre-install as well. It saves me time and the client money. If I'm going to buy a computer for $100 (as with the cherrypal, although it does not seem to exist) the marginal cost of my install time because large-ish. |
| 15:15.15 | sameer666 | wols: let me try that |
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| 15:15.28 | damn323 | chinadavid, is a 1 ft 1 eyed dwarf who solicits his ass end for bellow minimal wages |
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| 15:15.36 | damn323 | mug |
| 15:15.43 | yareckon | *sighs |
| 15:15.47 | wols | karlpinc: the only time ever I've seen debian preinstalled was on VPSes and root servers. nowhere else. and those installs SUCK |
| 15:16.10 | karlpinc | wols: Although I'd be happy to also hear of dirt-cheap devices I can install debian on. I want something with display, keyboard, preferably a pointer, and can be put in a drawer. |
| 15:16.14 | wols | !ops can you please NOW remove the guy hurling insults at people in here? |
| 15:16.15 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: wols complains about: can you please NOW remove the guy hurling insults at people in here |
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| 15:16.34 | wols | karlpinc: standard ebook of your choice. I suggest a asus 1001p |
| 15:16.35 | yareckon | damn323, and I even said nice things when you showed up.... |
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| 15:16.59 | karlpinc | wols: I usually ask for a minimal install, but mostly I don't care. If it's got fluff I don't need, so what. (f |
| 15:17.01 | mentor | damn323: Stop being abusive |
| 15:17.03 | karlpinc | for this app). |
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| 15:17.20 | chinadavid | damn323,nobody should help you in line with all laws on the earth.... |
| 15:17.23 | karlpinc | wols: Thanks for the recommendation. |
| 15:18.04 | mentor | damn323: Please acknowledge that you understand. |
| 15:18.08 | wols | karlpinc: however, you will need squeeze for pretty much all current netbooks I guess. lenny just can't support the hardware |
| 15:18.17 | damn323 | sorry kids ;) |
| 15:18.54 | sameer666 | wols: it is working for local system |
| 15:19.01 | sameer666 | but not if i resolve google.com |
| 15:19.07 | wols | !wayttd sameer666 |
| 15:19.07 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, sameer666? |
| 15:19.10 | damn323 | so can we get to the bottom of this package brokeness?? |
| 15:19.16 | wols | unless you describe your problem better we cannot help you |
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| 15:19.29 | sameer666 | dpkg: my upstream is blocking certain google.com ips |
| 15:19.29 | dpkg | sameer666: okay |
| 15:19.50 | wols | damn323: wrong channel. we support debian, not your avlinux- and it doesn't matter what repository you use (btw it's not lenny repo) |
| 15:20.12 | abrotman | sameer666: please don't do that |
| 15:20.14 | wols | sameer666: can you choose your own DNS server? or is your ISP blokcing port 53 outbound too? |
| 15:20.16 | sameer666 | for my clients i want to conf my bind9 to resolve to same ips allowed by my upstream provider |
| 15:20.25 | wols | dpkg: forget my upstream |
| 15:20.25 | dpkg | wols: i didn't have anything called 'my upstream' to forget |
| 15:20.29 | abrotman | i got it |
| 15:20.29 | mentor | dpkg: forget my upstream |
| 15:20.34 | mentor | meh |
| 15:20.37 | sameer666 | abrotman: dont do wat ? |
| 15:20.39 | damn323 | hm actually there is sources for sid squeeze and lenny |
| 15:20.45 | yareckon | also, a bug report with a definition of "brokenness" is better than just saying broken in this channel a lot |
| 15:20.46 | karlpinc | wols: :-( Not even with a bpo kernel? |
| 15:20.51 | wols | sameer666: you create a factoid on the dpkg bot. not a good idea |
| 15:21.10 | chinadavid | mentor,lol.mentor would need help himself, :D |
| 15:21.21 | wols | karlpinc: bpo should work. probably. but I'd still use squeeze for all the userland improvements (newer acpi and such) |
| 15:21.22 | sameer666 | i didn't knew dpkg is a bot |
| 15:22.06 | wols | yareckon: he is using squeeze or sid repos since there is no python 2.6 in lenny. both of those are very broken wrt python right now as any debian regular knows |
| 15:22.09 | chinadavid | dpkg windowed to me for my question |
| 15:22.10 | dpkg | bugger all, i dunno, chinadavid |
| 15:22.11 | chinadavid | lol |
| 15:22.19 | karlpinc | wols: I should have said. Basically for this app it's being used as a password safe. |
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| 15:22.34 | damn323 | if i build the package from source will the conflict be avoided |
| 15:22.37 | karlpinc | wols: (By someone who needs their hand held.) |
| 15:22.40 | chinadavid | dpkg is so smarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrt |
| 15:22.40 | dpkg | wish i knew, chinadavid |
| 15:22.42 | damn323 | eg using apt |
| 15:22.50 | wols | sameer666: I'd suggest you try to use google's public DNS server 8.8.8.8 for your DNS |
| 15:23.08 | karlpinc | wols: That's the smart answer. |
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| 15:23.27 | sameer666 | wols: there are opendns i know |
| 15:23.29 | yareckon | damn323, if you don't create a .deb... there is no package to make a conflict.... |
| 15:23.34 | sameer666 | but i want to by my dns |
| 15:23.38 | sameer666 | or bind9 |
| 15:23.40 | yareckon | but you will have to admin that stuff yourself |
| 15:23.41 | wols | karlpinc: not if the great firewall admin of his IPS is smart |
| 15:23.53 | karlpinc | sameer666: Then make a zone. |
| 15:24.06 | karlpinc | wols: If they're that smart he's got more than dns problems. |
| 15:24.08 | wols | yareckon: please help him in #avlinux or wherever |
| 15:24.23 | damn323 | so i build python2.6 manually and apt-get wont ever get in a tizz |
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| 15:25.22 | yareckon | probably not...again, if you build from upstream and don't use debian sources.... good luck... |
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| 15:25.36 | karlpinc | sameer666: You don't have to make a google.com zone, you could make a www.google.com zone (or whatever). |
| 15:25.42 | JohnSmith | so I did: grep -R mdadm /* and server kicked me out of SSH and isnt responding to anything. Did I break something? |
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| 15:26.12 | wols | karlpinc: why a zone in the first place? why run bind9? advanced maschism? |
| 15:26.23 | karlpinc | wols: He keeps wanting to. |
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| 15:26.44 | damn323 | good old synaptic |
| 15:26.56 | karlpinc | wols: (I like bind9. It's sane.) |
| 15:26.56 | damn323 | i wish i knew the commands it did to fix0r things |
| 15:27.17 | sameer666 | karlpinc: i know but i m trying to find a simpler solution |
| 15:27.18 | sameer666 | :( |
| 15:27.28 | chinadavid | damn323's english seems good in chinese ,but the ergent thing is to learn how to be a nice guy other than build any source codes...lol :p |
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| 15:27.33 | yareckon | JohnSmith, maybe overheated? or just under crazy load... that is opening ever file on your box maybe.... dunno what the * does after / tho |
| 15:27.41 | wols | sameer666: why is using google's dns too simple for you? |
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| 15:27.58 | JohnSmith | ok thought so yareckon, so it should come back when it finishes |
| 15:28.05 | damn323 | you need to take a look in the mirror of rudeness |
| 15:28.12 | JohnSmith | i actually didnt do /*, I did cd / then grep -R mdadm * |
| 15:28.18 | wols | JohnSmith: a grep won't kill your ssh session. grep is I/O bound |
| 15:28.23 | karlpinc | JohnSmith: Maybe not. Trouble is you're looking through device files. You can look through, say, /dev/zero forever. |
| 15:28.23 | sameer666 | wols: wat u mean, do u mean not simple for me ? |
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| 15:28.36 | yareckon | true |
| 15:28.40 | wols | I mean: what prevents you from trying it? |
| 15:28.42 | karlpinc | sameer666: He means why won't you do it that way? |
| 15:29.14 | chinadavid | damn323,thank your for your remind...shouldn't you get one before me? |
| 15:29.15 | sameer666 | bcoz, then i have to set it up for all the relating links of google |
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| 15:29.45 | wols | sameer666: my suggestion is: use a proxy in some other country where there are no blocks. preferable a proxy that accepts https |
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| 15:30.08 | wols | chinadavid: no you don't. and you STILL haven't told us the exact problem |
| 15:30.22 | wols | chinadavid: sorry, wrong nick. was for sameer666 |
| 15:30.40 | wols | sameer666: how many clients does your server have to support? |
| 15:30.40 | JordiGH | I'm on Intel 64 bit and need to cross compile to i386. I don't see a cross-compiling gcc built. |
| 15:30.43 | yareckon | abrotman, thanks... after activating aptitude under etch... it seems to be handling the upgrade well |
| 15:30.54 | JohnSmith | karlpinc: so you are saying that it will stay in /dev/zero forever and I now have to go to the console, login, and kill the process? |
| 15:30.56 | abrotman | yareckon: enjoy |
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| 15:31.02 | sameer666 | like i 15000 |
| 15:31.03 | wols | provided it is only a simple DNS blockade and not something more sophisitcated |
| 15:31.11 | sameer666 | s/1// |
| 15:31.14 | karlpinc | JohnSmith: You could just ssh to the box again and kill it. |
| 15:31.21 | JohnSmith | karlpinc: it isnt allowing SSH |
| 15:31.23 | chinadavid | ehmm,proxies would not work in some cases.best way should be ssh....never mind,wols |
| 15:31.26 | wols | karlpinc: note the "doesn't react" thing |
| 15:31.27 | jordanm | JordiGH: you can use pbuilder if you are building a deb |
| 15:31.28 | JohnSmith | well it is, but it isnt responding |
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| 15:31.43 | wols | chinadavid: your firewall and his might be different. different countries :) |
| 15:31.43 | JordiGH | jordanm: Ah, good idea. |
| 15:31.45 | JohnSmith | ill wait like 10 mins and try again |
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| 15:32.04 | chinadavid | wols,hope so |
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| 15:33.34 | karlpinc | JohnSmith: Ugh. Rebooting would work too. :-P Nothing like a hammer.... |
| 15:33.35 | yareckon | JohnSmith if interactive ssh isn't working you could try a remote command... ssh root@myserver.com reboot |
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| 15:34.32 | yareckon | though if it's not even responding at all... |
| 15:34.47 | yareckon | have you used nmap or pinged it to see if it is up period? |
| 15:35.11 | yareckon | may have overheated and crashed if it's an older machine especially |
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| 15:35.30 | yareckon | though if grep is i/o bound... |
| 15:35.33 | JordiGH | jordanm: Hm, I've never used pbuilder to cross compile. Is it just a matter of supplying an --architecture param? |
| 15:35.40 | wols | yareckon: overheat from a grep? really? |
| 15:35.43 | JohnSmith | ill attempt nmap.. the firewall is set to drop ping requests |
| 15:35.51 | chinadavid | dpkg,night.time to sleep in here china.see you ,guys.. |
| 15:35.51 | dpkg | chinadavid: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 15:36.04 | yareckon | wols, if he is grepping /dev/random :) |
| 15:36.08 | wols | JohnSmith: you should know what ports it listens too (beside 22). just telnet to said port(s) |
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| 15:37.15 | yareckon | I swear I am spending most of my day waiting for these servers to pull down updates from security.debian.org |
| 15:37.27 | yareckon | I have to learn my lesson and work around that |
| 15:37.46 | wols | yareckon: run a local apt-proxy? |
| 15:37.55 | stockholm | approx is good! |
| 15:38.22 | yareckon | everything else is likety split... it's just security.d.o today is hanging like crazy |
| 15:38.33 | yareckon | the normal repos are fine |
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| 15:47.02 | sameer666 | thanks ppl for all the help |
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| 15:49.33 | infinity0 | why are there two packages for minw? |
| 15:49.36 | infinity0 | mingw*? |
| 15:49.40 | infinity0 | http://packages.debian.org/sid/gcc-mingw32 |
| 15:49.43 | infinity0 | http://packages.debian.org/sid/mingw32 |
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| 15:50.14 | nsadmin | , versions xotcl |
| 15:50.17 | judd | xotcl -- lenny: 1.6.1-1; sid: 1.6.6-1; squeeze: 1.6.6-1 |
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| 15:52.36 | JordiGH | infinity0: The latter is a virtual package, looks like, since another package provides it. Although there's only one providing it, so not sure what's going on. |
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| 15:52.57 | infinity0 | no, they're two real packages, but i found this: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=566708 |
| 15:53.01 | lindi- | infinity0: read the first entries of changelog |
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| 15:54.39 | nsadmin | , versions tdom |
| 15:54.40 | judd | tdom -- etch: 0.7.8-5; lenny: 0.8.3~20080525-2; sid: 0.8.3~20080525-3; squeeze: 0.8.3~20080525-3 |
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| 15:58.59 | damn323 | oi chinadave you eliteist "http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/ experimental main non-free" stick this in your sources.list and smoke it |
| 15:59.11 | abrotman | NO |
| 15:59.14 | abrotman | damn323: do not do that |
| 15:59.53 | Maulkin | hrm |
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| 16:04.22 | damn323 | lalallalala $me retrieves the python2.6 source |
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| 16:05.12 | damn323 | when good installs go bad |
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| 16:07.35 | Deeps | hi, i've got bad package that i'm trying to remove, but dpkg --force-all -r «packagename» still isn't letting me remove it; the error i'm getting is "Package is in a very bad inconsistent state - you should reinstall it before attempting a removal.", but it fails to install in the first place |
| 16:07.59 | Deeps | have tried reinstalling it (dpkg -i pkg.deb) and then removing it (dpkg -r) but it still fails |
| 16:08.15 | karlpinc | Does testing always safe-update or does that sometimes break? I'm wondering what happens if I install testing today on a box and take it off the net until testing goes stable. Would it upgrade or would there be breakage? |
| 16:08.23 | karlpinc | Deeps: You could try -f on the re-install. |
| 16:08.30 | abrotman | karlpinc: it migth break |
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| 16:08.39 | lindi- | Deeps: what package is it? |
| 16:08.45 | Deeps | lindi-: n2n |
| 16:08.52 | karlpinc | abrotman: Ok. Guess I'll deal with it if it happens. |
| 16:08.52 | Deeps | karlpinc: -f? --field? |
| 16:09.00 | abrotman | karlpinc: the upgrades are supposed to work from lenny->squeeze .. not some random version of squeeze to real squeze |
| 16:09.12 | karlpinc | Deeps: -f --force. (I'm thinking aptitude, sorry). |
| 16:09.46 | Deeps | karlpinc: tried --force-all on the reinstall, doesn't work either |
| 16:09.50 | Deeps | lindi-: n2n-supernode to be precise |
| 16:10.26 | karlpinc | abrotman: So people mostly periodically upgrade squeeze to squeeze and hope for the best? |
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| 16:10.55 | abrotman | karlpinc: you're supposed to know how to fix certain things when you use testing, it's usually okay, but some times, things to south quickly |
| 16:11.05 | lindi- | Deeps: i only see n2n package |
| 16:11.12 | lindi- | Deeps: where did you get n2n-supernode? |
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| 16:11.42 | karlpinc | abrotman: If I had to remove almost everything and re-install the packages I wouldn't care. I don't have a lot of choice anyway. There'll be no network so .... |
| 16:11.47 | abrotman | okay |
| 16:12.28 | Deeps | lindi-: svn co, dpkg-buildpackage |
| 16:12.35 | damn323 | hm |
| 16:12.44 | damn323 | i wonder if i should distupgrade |
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| 16:12.52 | Deeps | lindi-: nm, worked it out now anyway, just had to remove the command that was erroring in /var/lib/dpkg/info/n2n-supernode.prerm and run dpkg -r again, solved |
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| 16:13.34 | damn323 | that might be why the package borked its dependancys |
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| 16:13.50 | damn323 | because the repo is now incompatible with older version or something |
| 16:15.00 | karlpinc | I do have one problem left over from running lenny as testing and then upgrading. The gnome screensaver shows xml markup in the username when asking for a password. How would I fix this? |
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| 16:17.28 | damn323 | wow python takes a big amount of cpu time to compile |
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| 16:20.56 | _Dave123_ | i have a debian vbox vm, and i would it to be only communicating with 2 or 3 internal 192.168.1.x ip's - is there a way to do this? for the rest it should not be able to connect with anything |
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| 16:22.28 | jordanm | _Dave123_: setup host-only networking and configure the host to function as a router. use iptables to block them from the IPs you don't want them to access |
| 16:22.36 | jordanm | _Dave123_: or setup vlans |
| 16:23.08 | karlpinc | _Dave123_: iptables/shorewall/ferm Take your pick. |
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| 16:23.39 | ||cw | hugs shorewall |
| 16:23.41 | isfranc | jordanm: wath s vbox ? |
| 16:23.47 | isfranc | ha virtualbox |
| 16:23.48 | damn323 | disconnect the cat5 to computer its as good as any firewall |
| 16:23.55 | karlpinc | jordanm: Vlans don't protect anything unless the router says to. |
| 16:24.01 | ||cw | damn323: better even! |
| 16:24.12 | damn323 | ;) |
| 16:24.36 | isfranc | jordanm: virtualbox have not private network, hum |
| 16:25.09 | wildc4rd | evenin' all |
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| 16:25.30 | Devil_Kin | hey folks |
| 16:25.34 | ||cw | so make a br0 with "bridge_ports none" |
| 16:25.47 | Devil_Kin | anyone any idea why a squeeze installation of cups doesn't manage to find any shared printers on the network? |
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| 16:26.07 | isfranc | jordanm: http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Testing_Networks |
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| 16:27.40 | damn323 | python installed!! |
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| 16:29.04 | JordiGH | damn323: aptitude install python |
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| 16:29.35 | jordanm | JordiGH: he was manually install python 2.6 to /usr/local |
| 16:29.51 | JordiGH | wayc, oh, never mind |
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| 16:31.57 | damn323 | bit difficult when the packages dependencys are mangled |
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| 16:32.49 | yareckon | hi, what does the {a} after a package name in aptitude status mean? |
| 16:32.58 | Vladimir_ | Hello, I need help. Packages libmtp8 and libudev0 are broken. |
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| 16:33.34 | wols | !tell Vladimir_ about bat |
| 16:33.53 | jordanm | yareckon: automatically installed |
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| 16:34.18 | yareckon | ok, thanks |
| 16:34.23 | damn323 | scopes a mutagen python |
| 16:34.36 | Vladimir_ | !tell wols hm? |
| 16:34.40 | damn323 | who comes up with these names hehe |
| 16:34.53 | simonrvn | Vladimir_: don't do that |
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| 16:35.09 | Vladimir_ | simonrvn: don't do what? |
| 16:35.41 | simonrvn | that's not a way to communicate, it's a way to send factoids to people without spamming the channel with dpkg spew. |
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| 16:37.34 | yareckon | joy, wating another 10 mins for security.debian.org |
| 16:37.45 | simonrvn | wols: -about > doesn't also send you the whole factoid, just that it did it |
| 16:38.26 | wols | simonrvn: I know, but I have the bandwith to spare and the worst thing is not what dpkg sends, but that it does at all |
| 16:38.42 | Vladimir_ | Can anyone tell me what packages libmtp8 and libudev0 are dependent on? |
| 16:38.57 | simonrvn | wols: ok, wasn't sure if you knew or not. |
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| 16:39.30 | wols | Vladimir_: apt-cache show <package>|grep -i depend |
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| 16:39.49 | jordanm | Vladimir_: you should follow the instructions that wols had dpkg pm you |
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| 16:39.54 | simonrvn | Vladimir_: apt-cache show foo bar [ | pager ] (if there's a lot of spew) |
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| 16:40.03 | simonrvn | or the grep ;) |
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| 16:44.48 | AlexC_ | morning |
| 16:45.00 | AlexC_ | how should one know when to create a normal group, or a system group? |
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| 16:45.34 | wols | what is the difference between "normal" and "system" here? |
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| 16:45.54 | Vladimir_ | Hello, I need help. Packages libmtp8 and libudev0 are broken. This is the output of apt-get -f install: http://pastebin.com/xP2Lkdri |
| 16:45.59 | simonrvn | system group is any no-human user, loosely speaking. |
| 16:46.00 | AlexC_ | 'addgroup foobar' or 'addgroup --system foobar' |
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| 16:46.08 | simonrvn | non-* |
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| 16:46.18 | rajeshsr | hi all |
| 16:46.32 | rajeshsr | suddenly whne i open iceweasel, it is beginning to give some sounds.. |
| 16:46.34 | AlexC_ | simonrvn: ok, so say I have 5 users that I want to put in a 'www-users' group, this would be a normal group? |
| 16:46.39 | rajeshsr | i don't know what is happening |
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| 16:46.42 | AlexC_ | rajeshsr: does it sound like Pac Man? |
| 16:46.49 | rajeshsr | it has opened /dev/snd |
| 16:46.51 | rajeshsr | yep |
| 16:46.55 | rajeshsr | AlexC_, yep |
| 16:46.55 | AlexC_ | rajeshsr: yes, that is Google |
| 16:47.02 | simonrvn | AlexC_: yes |
| 16:47.04 | rajeshsr | i use Google reader |
| 16:47.11 | rajeshsr | as my home page |
| 16:47.18 | AlexC_ | rajeshsr: Googles Doodle for today/tomorrow is a tribute to 30 years of Pacman, which allows you to play pacman in their logo + it has sound |
| 16:47.20 | rajeshsr | but even after cutting it, it plays the same sound |
| 16:47.34 | simonrvn | Vladimir_: so do what it says, install, and boot to, an up to date kernel |
| 16:47.45 | AlexC_ | simonrvn: excellent, thanks |
| 16:47.46 | Recku | is away: Invisible |
| 16:47.47 | rajeshsr | AlexC_, haha! :) |
| 16:47.49 | simonrvn | Vladimir_: then proceed with the udev |
| 16:47.51 | AlexC_ | rajeshsr: ;) |
| 16:48.36 | rajeshsr | but it doesn't work the same with iceape! |
| 16:48.43 | Vladimir_ | simonrvn: My kernel is up to date. I'm using the latest net install. |
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| 16:48.53 | yowlst | hi |
| 16:49.00 | wols | Vladimir_: do you want to use debian stable or debian testing? |
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| 16:49.20 | yowlst | how can i do my deb repository authenticated? |
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| 16:49.45 | Vladimir_ | wols: I installed Debian stable from a net installer. |
| 16:49.47 | wols | !tell yowlst about secure apt |
| 16:50.01 | wols | Vladimir_: that's not what I asked. and while you installed stable you don't run stable anymore |
| 16:50.11 | jordanm | Vladimir_: but now you're likely running mostly testing... is stable what you intended? |
| 16:50.24 | Vladimir_ | yes |
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| 16:50.34 | wols | Vladimir_: then reinstall your debian |
| 16:50.43 | jordanm | or restore from backup |
| 16:50.44 | yowlst | wols, good thanks. |
| 16:51.02 | Vladimir_ | wols: I already did that after this error occurred before and broke my entire system. |
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| 16:51.17 | rajeshsr | AlexC_, how do u stop this annoying sound? |
| 16:51.18 | wols | reinstalling broke your entire system? truly? |
| 16:51.23 | jordanm | Vladimir_: aparently you mostly upgraded to testing since you last reinstalled |
| 16:51.34 | AlexC_ | rajeshsr: get a high score of something over 9000 |
| 16:51.39 | jordanm | Vladimir_: next time, don't do that |
| 16:51.50 | rajeshsr | AlexC_, haha! |
| 16:52.02 | AlexC_ | rajeshsr: :) I have no idea |
| 16:52.05 | rajeshsr | well, am really surprised that iceweasel is constantly sounding it! |
| 16:52.06 | Vladimir_ | jordanm: okay, thanks |
| 16:52.13 | rajeshsr | even when there is no google page opened!! |
| 16:52.17 | rajeshsr | what the hell is it!! |
| 16:52.43 | cahoot | gimmick |
| 16:52.55 | yareckon | google has a packman game as a logo today |
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| 16:52.58 | yareckon | fun stuff |
| 16:53.13 | rajeshsr | AlexC_, does it constatly sound like this to you too? |
| 16:53.22 | rajeshsr | even when you have no Google page opened? |
| 16:53.31 | rajeshsr | and even with a blank page?! |
| 16:53.35 | AlexC_ | rajeshsr: I don't use Iceweasle |
| 16:54.21 | rajeshsr | anyone else using iceweasel facing the same problem? |
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| 16:55.01 | Guest35770 | hi, I have a question about restore debian from backup |
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| 16:55.17 | jordanm | !ask |
| 16:55.18 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 16:56.42 | Guest35770 | ...I've just need to restore system with samba and openvpn service without any data, so if I copy /etc/ would be enough for this ? |
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| 16:57.06 | wols | Guest35770: no |
| 16:57.39 | Guest35770 | I'm using backup-manager so what else should I copy ?? |
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| 16:58.16 | wols | the config of samba and usually openvpn too is in /etc yes |
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| 16:59.55 | Guest35770 | so why said no ?? :P |
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| 17:00.46 | jordanm | Guest35770: if your config files is what is important, than archives of /etc/ is fine |
| 17:01.06 | jordanm | Guest35770: most will want more... such as their logs, data, and sometimes entire OS |
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| 17:02.56 | Guest35770 | I'm asking becouse I've never done before any restoring operation... and I sth goes wrong I want to install fresh debian + samba and openvpn and copy this /etc/, so it will work? |
| 17:03.40 | jordanm | Guest35770: you don't want to restore all of /etc/ onto a new system... you should restore the config files that are required |
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| 17:04.01 | jordanm | Guest35770: specifically you don't want to restore /etc/fstab and /etc/blkid.tab |
| 17:04.04 | Guest35770 | jordanm: cool even better for me :P |
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| 17:13.00 | yareckon | it's been a really nice day... you all take care of yourselves this weekend... thanks for the help and peace out |
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| 17:19.21 | rodman | hey guys, i am wondering if there are any signals emitted by ssh when connection drops? couldn't find anything on google. any ideas? |
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| 17:19.58 | rodman | i need to capture that signal (if it exists) in order to manage connection drops |
| 17:20.37 | jordanm | rodman: a TCP "FIN" maybe? |
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| 17:21.21 | Bushmills | rodman: running connection through a tunnel would allow it to just pick up where it stopped again when tunnel is reestablished. |
| 17:21.42 | Bushmills | (eliminating the need to mange the connection drop) |
| 17:21.46 | Bushmills | manage |
| 17:22.09 | rodman | i've got an app running on a colocation and i need to stop that app whener there's a connection drop |
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| 17:22.17 | mguy | I built ssh from source and my rc.update script has the path wrong, do I change it by hand or is there a place I can fix it once |
| 17:22.22 | abrotman | rodman: why not just run it inside of screen ? |
| 17:22.35 | Bushmills | rodman: tmux, screen, openvpn, all can help with that |
| 17:22.43 | rodman | abrotman: i don't get what you mean |
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| 17:22.54 | jordanm | mguy: why would you do that? |
| 17:22.57 | abrotman | rodman: why do you care if the ssh drops out? is it sending data back? |
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| 17:23.16 | mguy | jordanm: do what? |
| 17:23.24 | abrotman | build ssh |
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| 17:23.35 | jordanm | yes... what is wrong with the debian package? |
| 17:23.40 | abrotman | rodman: I guess i'm asking why does it matter if the ssh drops |
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| 17:23.41 | mguy | Because it was an older version, no real reason |
| 17:23.46 | abrotman | so what? |
| 17:23.48 | mguy | I'm just asking how to change the paths |
| 17:23.49 | jordanm | mguy: have fun then |
| 17:23.56 | dscastro | hi, whats happens with courier-authdaemon, it doesn't find libmysql.so but libmysqlclient is installed |
| 17:23.57 | abrotman | whta was wrong with the "old" version ? |
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| 17:24.08 | abrotman | !tell dscastro about apt-file |
| 17:24.26 | rodman | abrotman: i need to constantly monitor what's happening on the coloc. otherwise i could have serious problems |
| 17:24.31 | mguy | abrotman: nothing... |
| 17:24.39 | abrotman | mguy: well, that was silly |
| 17:24.47 | abrotman | rodman: if you run it inside screen, you could reconnect if it drops? |
| 17:24.50 | jordanm | dserban_: look at apt-file, that fiel doesn't appear as part of the mysqlclient |
| 17:24.56 | mguy | Okay I wanted to use a new feature that wasn't in the one included with Lenny |
| 17:24.57 | dscastro | abrotman, look authdaemond: libmysql.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 17:24.59 | abrotman | jordanm: wrong guy |
| 17:25.00 | Bushmills | rodman: check out monit |
| 17:25.19 | abrotman | dscastro: aptitude install apt-file && apt-file update && apt-file search libmysql.so |
| 17:25.28 | Bushmills | that can also detect and react to ssh daemon dying, or connection dropping |
| 17:25.28 | dscastro | ok |
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| 17:26.07 | Bushmills | but above all, it can do a good part of that constant monitoring on your behalf |
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| 17:27.07 | dscastro | abrotman, dbmail-mysql nuauth-log-mysql |
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| 17:27.24 | abrotman | guess i don't have to do it ;) |
| 17:27.30 | abrotman | dscastro: okay .. so install them ? |
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| 17:28.26 | dscastro | ok |
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| 17:29.45 | dscastro | abrotman, but i doesn't using dbmail or nuauth |
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| 17:30.08 | dscastro | it asking to install so many extra packages |
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| 17:31.47 | jordanm | dscastro: are you using debian packages for courier-authdaemon? |
| 17:31.57 | dscastro | yep |
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| 17:33.18 | jordanm | dscastro: I would guess dbmail-mysql is the package you want |
| 17:34.00 | dscastro | jordanm, can i install only dbmail-mysql without dependencies? |
| 17:34.17 | jordanm | dscastro: if you could, it wouldn't function |
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| 17:34.28 | jordanm | dscastro: you can do without recommends however |
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| 17:34.31 | rodman | abrotman: i will try it over screen to properly answer you. |
| 17:34.44 | dscastro | jordanm, dbmail replaces courier |
| 17:34.53 | dscastro | i wanna use courier |
| 17:35.02 | jordanm | ,replaces dbmail-mysql |
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| 17:35.37 | Funar | s/df |
| 17:35.38 | Funar | sdfj |
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| 17:36.19 | jordanm | dscastro: let me see apt-cache policy courier-authlib |
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| 17:37.30 | dscastro | jordanm, http://pastebin.com/vDq2deLT |
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| 17:38.04 | HardDisk_WP | how do I tell dig to fetch the MX record for xyz.de directly from the nameserver of xyz.de, in my case ns01.star-hosting.de? |
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| 17:39.23 | jordanm | HardDisk_WP: dig @ns01.star-hosting.de -t MX xyz.de |
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| 17:39.57 | Funaust | tbsaunde, you here? |
| 17:40.00 | jordanm | dscastro: file a bug report |
| 17:40.02 | Funaust | karlpinc you here? |
| 17:40.15 | abrotman | Funaust: just ask your question, don't pester people |
| 17:40.21 | HardDisk_WP | thx jordanm |
| 17:40.42 | dscastro | jordanm, what? |
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| 17:41.01 | Funaust | abrotman they are excellent first choices for answering my question considering they helped me a lot yesterday. |
| 17:41.23 | abrotman | Funaust: i'm just saying to ask everyone and maybe mention that they helped you |
| 17:42.14 | jordanm | dscastro: file a bug report against courier-authlib if it is really requring this uninstallable lib (which should have atleast been a recommends in the first place) |
| 17:43.02 | dscastro | so.. after while what i supposed to do? |
| 17:43.09 | dscastro | jordanm, install from source? |
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| 17:44.00 | jordanm | dscastro: that will not help unless you think that courier-authlib should contain the libmysql.so itself and its not in debian due to lack of options or w/e |
| 17:44.11 | jordanm | dscastro: I would actually recommend support from upstream |
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| 17:44.24 | dscastro | ok man.. thanks |
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| 17:46.10 | Funar | ok on second try, iwconfig works with root terminal, shows wlan0 and displays the access point etc for my router, but still no connections |
| 17:46.16 | Funar | no internet( |
| 17:46.49 | justin_ | Funar: what exactly does iwconfig say |
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| 17:47.30 | Funar | hmm |
| 17:47.46 | Funar | IEEE 802.11bg, ESSID: |
| 17:48.01 | Funar | mode: managed, frequency, gives me an access point, shows encryption key |
| 17:48.09 | Funar | Rx invalid nwid: 0 |
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| 17:55.10 | vps1 | Hi, i try install Xen with this tutorial: http://wiki.debian.org/Xen#Installationonlenny And after reboot system always back with ovh kernel, anyone can help me? |
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| 17:57.03 | jordanm | vps1: is the kernel package installed? what does menu.lst look like? have you edited sections of menu.lst you shouldn't? |
| 17:57.28 | dscastro | jordanm, i found a trouble... its wrong authmodulelist name |
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| 17:57.47 | dscastro | i put "mysql" but is "authmysql" |
| 17:57.52 | jordanm | dscastro: so it was a configuration issue? did upstream help identify that? |
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| 17:58.08 | dscastro | jordanm, no, i did! |
| 17:58.18 | jordanm | !congratulate dscastro |
| 17:58.18 | dpkg | Good show dscastro, you did it! |
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| 17:58.33 | dscastro | :) |
| 17:59.30 | rodman | abrotman: screen allows me to recover the running app, but i don't think it will work in my case because what screen does is to actually make it opaque that there was a connection drop (it stays "locally", in a safe sandbox). What i need is a way to get a signal inside my app, that there was a connection drop.... |
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| 18:01.04 | wols | rodman: when the socket is no longer open, you know |
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| 18:01.32 | vps1 | jordanm: here is menu.lst: http://pastebin.com/h5vaeECh |
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| 18:04.50 | Funar | hi, my wireless isn't working. wlan0 is setup (maybe incorrectly?) but shows my router's ESSID, access point etc.. the graphical wireless connection interface is not allowing me to add or change anything |
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| 18:05.12 | mixalis | a |
| 18:05.56 | mixalis | exw problima me to sound card... paizei mono apo to ixiaki tou pc |
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| 18:06.27 | abrotman | mixalis: english please .. |
| 18:06.45 | abrotman | mixalis: or try #debian.gr |
| 18:06.49 | zignig | abrotman: hola? |
| 18:07.19 | mixalis | sry forgot, i got problem with sound card.. the only sound i hear is from the pc's speaker |
| 18:07.37 | abrotman | !alsa checklist |
| 18:07.37 | dpkg | 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 2) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels & toggle jack sense) 3) arts or esound stopped? 4) OSS modules unloaded? 5) speakers on? 6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 7) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. See also <list alsa users>. |
| 18:08.27 | newb0 | Hello all! I'm trying put Squid in a machine with 2 network boards. Squid will forward my packages from a board to another? |
| 18:10.18 | madsara | newb0: Routing will handle that. |
| 18:10.41 | madsara | All that squid will do is see the request and re-request it upstream. |
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| 18:15.02 | newb0 | madsara: ok, How I do this route (iptables rules? if yes, how can I avoid no-proxy entries to use the route?)? |
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| 18:16.46 | Linex | Do I use the old hdparm or use sdparm on sata drive ? |
| 18:16.52 | abrotman | sdparm |
| 18:16.57 | hochron | where would I ask a mount.cifs question? |
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| 18:17.20 | Funar | hi, my wireless isn't working. wlan0 is setup (maybe incorrectly?) but shows my router's ESSID, access point etc.. the graphical wireless connection interface is not allowing me to add or change anything |
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| 18:18.30 | Bushmills | Funar: does wlan0 have an ip address? |
| 18:18.33 | chewbranca | hi, I've got a hanging mounted nfs partition, causing lots of issues, I can't do fuser -m /mnt/nfs as it just hangs, and lsof hangs as well, I can't do umount -f /mnt/nfs because the device or resource is busy but I can't find the processes accessing that device with lsof or fuser, any ideas how to get this nfs partition unmounted? |
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| 18:19.38 | Funar | no |
| 18:19.39 | Bushmills | chewbranca: try umount -l |
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| 18:21.05 | chewbranca | Bushmills, ahhh nice, that seems to have done that trick |
| 18:21.07 | Bushmills | Funar: but "it" (iwconfig?) shows Access Point, ESSID, Mode, Bit Rate etc? |
| 18:21.08 | chewbranca | thanks |
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| 18:21.16 | Funar | Bushmills: correct |
| 18:21.32 | Bushmills | does it show Link Quality? |
| 18:21.43 | Linex | abrotman: Are you sure ? |
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| 18:22.01 | abrotman | Linex: does it have a man page? |
| 18:22.29 | Funar | Bushmills: yes |
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| 18:22.39 | Bushmills | try a dhcp request on wlan0 |
| 18:22.54 | Linex | abrotman: I have not install either yet. |
| 18:23.56 | newb0 | Bushmills: hello, that DNS (from modem) was restarted and the LAN is working now :) Now I need understood the route to Squid |
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| 18:24.38 | Bushmills | squid? what's that got to do with it? |
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| 18:25.04 | Funar | Bushmills how? |
| 18:25.28 | Bushmills | try dhclient wlan0 |
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| 18:26.23 | newb0 | Bushmills: I want filter the trafic from 254.x lan to internet. |
| 18:26.39 | r0nin | iptables |
| 18:26.47 | Bushmills | newb0: squid is not a packet filter. squid is a proxy |
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| 18:27.20 | Funar | ok it did something |
| 18:27.26 | Funar | renewal of my ip or something |
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| 18:27.33 | eshat | My i5-540M mobile Processor gets very hot, when compiling a kernel. Should I worry about 79 celsius ? (Thinkpad X201) |
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| 18:28.09 | henriquelm | hello there |
| 18:28.20 | henriquelm | How can I install phpldapadmin to debian? |
| 18:29.04 | eshat | henriquelm: apt-get install phpldapadmin |
| 18:29.04 | jordanm | henriquelm: same way you install any other package |
| 18:29.11 | jordanm | !tell eshat about why aptitude |
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| 18:29.57 | henriquelm | eshat, thanks |
| 18:30.09 | eshat | henriquelm: okay, maybe rather use aptitude ;) |
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| 18:30.26 | newb0 | Bushmills: I need get some statistcs from internet access: how many time at websites, the most accessed websites, backup of user talks at MSN etc. |
| 18:30.39 | henriquelm | eshat, aptitude is the name of the package? |
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| 18:30.58 | newb0 | Bushmills: I can do this without squid? |
| 18:31.09 | eshat | henriquelm: no, use the command :"aptitude install phpldapadmin" |
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| 18:31.30 | eshat | henriquelm: but if you do not know how to install apckages, you maybe won't be able to configure phpldapadmin |
| 18:32.19 | henriquelm | esaym, what's the difference between apt-get and aptitude? |
| 18:33.00 | newb0 | Bushmills: 254.x lan is a support lan, I really need have backup of any thing here because lost a talk it's a great problem with clients. |
| 18:33.01 | Bushmills | newb0: web server logs are good to analyse for most called page |
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| 18:34.20 | newb0 | Bushmills: But see: I can't backup the talks. |
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| 18:37.03 | Bushmills | good |
| 18:37.21 | Bushmills | local chat clients can do that. that should be enough |
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| 18:38.08 | Bushmills | there is a thing called "privacy", and violatin it is illegal in some parts of the world |
| 18:39.00 | Funar | how do i know if a module has been installed (how can i check) |
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| 18:42.25 | DogBoy | privacy? what Bushmills |
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| 18:43.47 | Bushmills | DogBoy: well, in some places one must protect it himself |
| 18:44.22 | DogBoy | just wondering what you were talking about Bushmills |
| 18:44.36 | newb0 | Bushmills: yes. This is because this is a separated LAN. And the backup it's because already have information lost who could involve process... |
| 18:45.07 | visof | i can't ssh at my debian , i got connection refused at port 22 |
| 18:45.11 | visof | what should i do ? |
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| 18:45.35 | jordanm | visof: install openssh-server on the remote machine |
| 18:45.50 | visof | i did |
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| 18:46.41 | visof | jordanm the same thing |
| 18:46.47 | ViZ | coming from a windows environment, which editor should i lean towards learning? |
| 18:47.04 | visof | ViZ try vim or emacs |
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| 18:47.53 | ViZ | visof: i installed both, but there's such a big war going on that i can't tell which one might be easier for me |
| 18:48.21 | jordanm | visof: nmap -sS -p22 <remote machine>; does it show filtered or closed? |
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| 18:48.36 | visof | ViZ, try learn the basics of both then see which one you feel comfortable |
| 18:48.52 | jordanm | ViZ: both take time to learn |
| 18:48.53 | jordanm | !emacs |
| 18:48.54 | dpkg | Emacs is the extensible macro editor that is already quite extensively extended. A popular editor choice with major and minor modes for almost every conceivable language and task. High priests of emacs have even been known to use emacs as their shell, and sometimes have whole systems with init=/usr/bin/emacs. [Escape Meta Alt Control Shift] http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs http://emacswiki.org/ #emacs on irc.freenode.net. |
| 18:48.59 | jordanm | !start an editor war |
| 18:49.00 | dpkg | "cat >" sucks. |
| 18:49.13 | r0nin | e3pi ftw |
| 18:49.15 | GUZT4V0 | Hello, I have this situation: One external HD, 500gb, plugged on USB port on a WinXP Home system and sharing on network. But, when I try to mount this driver on my debian 4 system, I recieve this error message: |
| 18:49.18 | GUZT4V0 | 2866: tree connect failed: ERRDOS - ERRnomem (Insufficient server memory to perform the requested function.) |
| 18:49.19 | GUZT4V0 | SMB connection failed |
| 18:49.26 | visof | jordanm closed |
| 18:49.28 | GUZT4V0 | Anyone can halp me? |
| 18:49.37 | GUZT4V0 | "help me" |
| 18:49.38 | ViZ | visof, jordanm: thanks, i guess i'll look at the features of both |
| 18:49.39 | linhis | dpkg:ssb |
| 18:49.39 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old |
| 18:49.42 | jordanm | visof: then there is no ssh daemon listening on the remote machine |
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| 18:49.55 | jordanm | !tell GUZT4V0 about ask |
| 18:50.28 | visof | jordanm, i'm susre i installed both ssh-cient and server , may reinstall them / |
| 18:50.48 | jordanm | visof: netstat -lnp | grep ssh |
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| 18:51.06 | GUZT4V0 | jordanm: Sorry! |
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| 18:55.23 | Bushmills | DogBoy: that's a pity that you have to wonder about that |
| 18:55.31 | GUZT4V0 | Let try again! |
| 18:55.39 | GUZT4V0 | I have a problem with mount operation; I'm running Debian version 4. When I try to do mount -t smbfs //192.168.0.101/file_server$ /mnt/file_server/ I get the following output 2866: tree connect failed: ERRDOS - ERRnomem (Insufficient server memory to perform the requested function.). I expected that the mount works. |
| 18:55.47 | DogBoy | one thing I'm not wondering about Bushmills |
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| 18:56.19 | jordanm | GUZT4V0: well... are you out of memory on the client or server? |
| 18:56.30 | abrotman | GUZT4V0: i thought it was \\\\ ? |
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| 18:56.42 | linhis | i'm trying to install banshee 1.6 on my debian lenny. as per the help i got from here i added deb-src for the unstable debian and then did an apt-update. After that when i do apt-get build-dep banshee i get the following error http://pastebin.com/U6wHeKH8 |
| 18:56.43 | abrotman | like \\\\192..x.x..x\sharename ? |
| 18:56.52 | abrotman | erm \\\\192..x.x.x.x\\sharename |
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| 18:57.25 | jordanm | abrotman: that syntax he gave works for me |
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| 18:57.32 | jordanm | using lenny however |
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| 18:58.34 | elnur_ | I've managed to setup BIND for one domain name. Now I want to add a new one. How should I do that? |
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| 19:01.14 | jordanm | elnur_: make a new zonefile for that domain |
| 19:01.38 | jordanm | elnur_: each domain gets its own zone file. I am sure this is explained in detail in the documentation |
| 19:01.38 | GUZT4V0 | Ok, let me see! |
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| 19:02.18 | elnur | jordanm, you mean like db.mydomain.com? |
| 19:02.25 | eshat | After I compiled a kernel, let's say I change something via menuconfig, do I have to do a "make-kpkg clean" before recompiling ? |
| 19:02.30 | kuber | https://support.mozilla.com/en-US/forum/1/677852 |
| 19:02.38 | elnur | jordanm, and then point to it from named.conf.local? |
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| 19:02.55 | GUZT4V0 | No, the command is with "//IP/sharename" |
| 19:03.10 | GUZT4V0 | with \ returns error! |
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| 19:04.33 | GUZT4V0 | And, my linux machine have 100mb of free memory (total is 256mb) and de WinXP has 1Gb of free memory (total 2Gb) |
| 19:04.48 | linhis | i'm trying to install banshee 1.6 on my debian lenny. as per the help i got from here i added deb-src for the unstable debian and then did an apt-update. After that when i do apt-get build-dep banshee i get the following error http://pastebin.com/U6wHeKH8 |
| 19:04.53 | linhis | help please |
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| 19:05.51 | jelly-home | judd: versions mono-devel |
| 19:05.52 | judd | mono-devel -- etch: 1.2.2.1-1etch1; etch-security: 1.2.2.1-1etch1; lenny-backports: 2.4.2.3+dfsg-2~bpo50+1; sid: 2.4.4~svn151842-2; squeeze: 2.4.4~svn151842-2 |
| 19:05.55 | valdyn | jordanm: certainly not, as that is not a requirement |
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| 19:06.43 | jelly-home | ,versions banshee |
| 19:06.45 | judd | banshee -- etch: 0.11.2+dfsg-1; lenny: 1.0.0-1; sid: 1.6.0-1; squeeze: 1.6.0-1; experimental: 1.7.0-1 |
| 19:07.18 | jordanm | valdyn: are you talking to a seperate zonefiles? |
| 19:07.23 | jelly-home | linhis: there's a newer mono-devel available in lenny-backports. do "/msg dpkg bpo" in your irc client, follow the instructions to add lenny-backports repository, then try the build-dep command again |
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| 19:07.39 | valdyn | jordanm: yes |
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| 19:09.47 | Linuturk | so, apparently, installing trac and opsview on the same debian server breaks the javascript menu on opsview |
| 19:09.54 | Linuturk | word |
| 19:10.03 | jordanm | valdyn: do you know of a zone file example which contians records for two domains? |
| 19:10.12 | linhis | jelly-home:actually there mono-devel was the third such case, the first one was debhelper. So i manually downloaded the deb from backports and installed. but it gave up to another version error with another package name. So i installed that also. then came mono-devel error. |
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| 19:13.24 | linhis | jelly-home: will there be another error with another package after i install mono-devel. or will mono-devel be the last one ?? |
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| 19:14.27 | jelly-home | linhis: I couldn't possibly know |
| 19:14.48 | eshat | Any idea why update-grub takes over two minutes on debian sid ? |
| 19:14.55 | jelly-home | linhis: why did you "manually download" instead of enabling the lenny-backports repo as suggested? |
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| 19:15.48 | jordanm | eshat: because the new version for grub2 is crap... its bug reported IIRC |
| 19:15.49 | jelly-home | linhis: when possible, it's better to allow apt to install dependencies; as you've learned, doing it manually can be tedious |
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| 19:16.14 | Funar | how do i tell what my ip is |
| 19:16.16 | Linex | if I want to use a whole drive as one volume, do I still need make one partition using the whole disk space ? |
| 19:16.19 | linhis | jelly-home:i already had backports in my sources |
| 19:16.28 | abrotman | Funar: 'ip' |
| 19:16.55 | linhis | jelly-home: it said the package was already the newest when i did an apt-get |
| 19:17.03 | jelly-home | linhis: apt-get what? |
| 19:17.14 | visof | jordanm i did got : tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:22 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 3540/sshd |
| 19:17.17 | linhis | apt-get install debhelper |
| 19:17.45 | linhis | jelly-home:apt-get install debhelper |
| 19:17.47 | jelly-home | linhis: hm, you shouldn't have had to do that explicitely |
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| 19:18.10 | jordanm | visof: are both machines on the same LAN? |
| 19:18.33 | visof | jordanm yeah |
| 19:18.34 | jelly-home | judd: build-deps banshee --release sid |
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| 19:19.05 | jelly-home | judd: builddep banshee --release sid |
| 19:19.06 | judd | banshee -- Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 7.0.50), quilt (>= 0.46-7~), autotools-dev, cli-common-dev (>= 0.5.7), intltool (>= 0.35), lsb-release, mono-devel (>= 2.4.3), libboo-cil-dev (>= 0.8.1), libndesk-dbus1.0-cil-dev (>= 0.5), libndesk-dbus-glib1.0-cil-dev (>= 0.3), libmono-addins-cil-dev (>= 0.3.1), libmono-addins-gui-cil-dev (>= 0.3.1), libtaglib-cil-dev (>= 2.0.3.7), libmono-zeroconf-cil-dev (>= 0.7.3), (2 more messages) |
| 19:19.14 | jordanm | visof: iptables -L |
| 19:19.27 | jordanm | jelly-home: that doesn't look very fun |
| 19:19.41 | jelly-home | linhis: eh, nice, the bpo version is 2.4.2.x and this says >= 2.4.3 |
| 19:19.46 | visof | jordanm, where ? |
| 19:19.55 | jordanm | visof: on the remote machine |
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| 19:20.37 | jelly-home | judd: more |
| 19:20.38 | judd | libnotify-cil-dev, libglib2.0-cil-dev (>= 2.10), libgtk2.0-cil-dev (>= 2.12), libgconf2.0-cil-dev, libipod-cil-dev (>= 0.8.5), libipodui-cil-dev (>= 0.8.5), libkarma-cil-dev (>= 0.0.5), libwebkit-cil-dev (>= 0.2), libgdata-cil-dev (>= 1.4), monodoc-base (>= 1.1.9), libsqlite3-dev (>= 3.4), libmtp-dev (>= 0.2.0), gconf2, libglib2.0-dev, libgtk2.0-dev (>= 2.8), libx11-dev, libxrandr-dev (>= 2:1.1.1), libxxf86vm- (1 more message) |
| 19:20.49 | jelly-home | judd: srsly! |
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| 19:21.09 | visof | jordanm, i got something like that : chain FORWARD (policy ACCEPT), target prot opt source destination |
| 19:21.11 | linhis | jelly-home: so whats the way out ?? |
| 19:21.21 | visof | jordanm, about 3 times repeated |
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| 19:21.41 | mmontoya | hi! is this correct?: |
| 19:21.42 | mmontoya | post-up route add -net 192.168.1.0 netmask 255.0.0.0 gw 192.168.1.254 |
| 19:21.50 | yang | I have some troubles using wireless keyless network. It somehow works fine in Windows XP, but fails in linux - I tried to modify /etc/network/interfaces and place there - iface eth1 inet dhcp ; wireless-essid network.blah.net but it refuses to get connected by dhcp, also running "dhclient" on 255.255.255.255 refuses to locate IP address |
| 19:21.51 | mmontoya | in network/interfaces |
| 19:21.57 | jordanm | visof: I can only speculate your trying to ssh into the wrong machine. |
| 19:22.24 | mmontoya | my ip is 192.168.1.76 |
| 19:22.46 | jordanm | yang: you have to associate with an essid before you can call dhclient. what kind of card? |
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| 19:23.18 | amphi | yang: does iwlist eth1 scan see anything? |
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| 19:23.34 | jelly-home | linhis: well, you could "apt-get source banshee" (no -b!), edit debian/control to lower the versions to match what you have available in lenny and lenny-backports, and install the rest of the build-deps manually like you started |
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| 19:23.57 | visof | jordanm, nope |
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| 19:24.21 | yang | jordanm: its ipw2000 I think - sony vaio |
| 19:24.27 | jordanm | mmontoya: the syntax is correct. I doubt it is valid or needed however. how will your machine fine 192.168.1.254 if that is where it must go to get to the 192.168.1.0/24 network? |
| 19:24.39 | yang | By the way I can get WPA to a working state using wpasupplicant |
| 19:24.43 | jordanm | visof: tcpdump |
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| 19:25.23 | yang | amphi: yes it sees the network |
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| 19:25.40 | linhis | jelly-home: how to edit debian/control ?? |
| 19:25.42 | LuciusMare | hello, i just upgraded my squeeze, and it seems like my kde broke, kdm shows up correctly, but then it loads into black screen with cursor |
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| 19:26.36 | abrotman | !kde squeeze |
| 19:26.36 | dpkg | KDE4 in squeeze is in the middle of a transition and currently not installable. Install libxklavier15 from sid to solve these problem using a testing/unstable mix (ask me about <tum>). "Testing is called testing for a reason". |
| 19:26.41 | PiousMinion | What does "1:8-12-4" mean in "fglrx-driver (1:8-12-4)"? Is that some kind of mangled internal version scheme? |
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| 19:26.46 | visof | jordanm, i can ping the remote machine |
| 19:27.10 | jordanm | visof: but apparently you can't see its open port 22. use tcpdump |
| 19:27.17 | visof | jordanm, is there a default firewall for debian that may i allow port |
| 19:27.25 | visof | ok |
| 19:27.27 | jordanm | visof: the default is open |
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| 19:27.53 | LuciusMare | abrotman: oh... oh. |
| 19:28.13 | visof | jordanm, how can i check ? |
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| 19:29.39 | newb0 | I have a machine with some files to download (Apache at ports 81-91). This machine is connected into 2 networks. Only 1 of this networks has Internet. I want this machine route any package she don't know to Internet, how can I write this iptables rule? |
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| 19:30.19 | Vasistha | newb0: I think you want the route command, man route. I can't tell you more than that but someone here surely knows |
| 19:30.42 | newb0 | The normal network is eth0, the internet network is eth1. |
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| 19:31.08 | valdyn | jordanm: dig test1.org @valdyn.org, dig test2.org @valdyn.org, zonefile at https://valdyn.org/db.test ( sure rather silly, I admit ) |
| 19:31.17 | visof | jordanm, just type tcpdump in the remote machine then try ssh it ?? |
| 19:31.19 | newb0 | Vasistha: Well, this works at local machine, but I think I will need iptables to route packages from another machines |
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| 19:31.42 | visof | jordanm, or what should i do ? |
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| 19:31.59 | LuciusMare | abrotman: thanks |
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| 19:32.16 | jordanm | visof: that should enough the see if the traffic ever hits that box, yes |
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| 19:32.29 | jordanm | valdyn: thanks, thought you disappeared on me :) |
| 19:32.30 | yang | jordanm: do you mean that I need to place "iface eth1 inet dhcp" after wireless-essid network.blah.net |
| 19:33.08 | jordanm | yang: I was just pointing out that wireless-essid needed to be specified (although, I didn't know exactly what it was called) |
| 19:33.10 | chulaza | www.antinuclearnortepalentino.org plataforma@antinuclearnortepalentino.org |
| 19:33.15 | chulaza | www.antinuclearnortepalentino.org plataforma@antinuclearnortepalentino.org |
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| 19:34.18 | visof | jordanm, but it list a lot of other stuff, is there a way to list the stuff that related to ssh only ? |
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| 19:34.21 | Vasistha | Using pdftk's generate_fdf operation, I made an FDF for a PDF form I'd like to fill in. I don't understand how to fill in the FDF, though. Any advice? |
| 19:34.26 | eshat | so any alternative or workaround to grub2 on sid ? |
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| 19:34.36 | LuciusMare | *sigh* - what does "non-security testing lines" mean? I have got "sid main non-free contrib", am i supposed to add another thing? |
| 19:34.48 | LuciusMare | talking about the squeeze/sid mix |
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| 19:34.55 | dondelelcaro | !fill pdf forms |
| 19:34.55 | dpkg | pdftk foo.pdf generate_fdf output foo.fdf; sensible-editor foo.fdf; pdftk foo.pdf fill_form foo.fdf output filled_foo.pdf;, or alternatively pdf2ps foo.pdf; flpsed foo.ps (edit and export to pdf) |
| 19:34.56 | jordanm | visof: tcpdump port 22 -v |
| 19:35.06 | dondelelcaro | Vasistha: see above |
| 19:35.12 | yang | jordanm: well do you know how I do that ? |
| 19:35.20 | dondelelcaro | Vasistha: if you don't see sensible things to edit in the fdf, you might try evince |
| 19:35.56 | jordanm | yang: I would actually recommend something like network-manager or wicd for wireless configuration. I found interfaces configuration for wireless networks to be too limited |
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| 19:36.06 | Vasistha | dondelelcaro: well... less and kate are describing the fdf as a binary, although I can kind of read it. I'd just like to figure out a way to fill it in... and then script filling it in, as I have a bunch of similar pages to make. |
| 19:36.14 | visof | jordanm, i did i got nothing in the remote machine the rn tcpdump |
| 19:36.24 | dondelelcaro | Vasistha: it should be a text file |
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| 19:36.35 | jordanm | visof: then the traffic is not hitting port 22 of the remote box |
| 19:36.39 | dondelelcaro | Vasistha: though the actual field names can be arbitrary text, so it could be anything there |
| 19:36.47 | jordanm | visof: you have a network issue, see ##networking |
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| 19:37.10 | yang | jordanm: yes, I tried wicd, however it breaks the connection after a while... |
| 19:37.12 | visof | jordanm, what should i ask at #networking ? |
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| 19:37.25 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: no, fill pdf forms is <reply> You can use evince, inkscape or xournal to fill in pdf forms. (Try evince first!) Otherwise, you can do so using pdftk: pdftk foo.pdf generate_fdf output foo.fdf; sensible-editor foo.fdf; pdftk foo.pdf fill_form foo.fdf output filled_foo.pdf; Or, using flpsed: pdf2ps foo.pdf; flpsed foo.ps; |
| 19:37.26 | dpkg | okay, dondelelcaro |
| 19:37.51 | LuciusMare | because apt-get says "E: package libxklavier15 has no installation candidate" |
| 19:37.52 | jelly-home | linhis: uh, it's in the unpacked tree after you do "apt-get source packagename" |
| 19:38.10 | jordanm | visof: no clue honestly |
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| 19:38.34 | visof | jordanm, thanks man |
| 19:38.54 | jordanm | visof: np and good luck |
| 19:38.59 | Vasistha | dondelelcaro: well... it seems to have a bunch of garbage in it. The graphical tools aren't gonna help me automate the process of filling in lots of forms, though, so I guess I'll keep googling for guidelines for filling in this strange fdf text I've got |
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| 19:40.09 | Vasistha | charming... unhandled java exception. Well, there goes that idea. |
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| 19:41.19 | jordanm | Vasistha: squeeze? java web application? |
| 19:41.20 | yang | jordanm: iwlist scan produces Mode:Ad-hoc , do I enter wireless-mode Ad-hoc into interfaces ? |
| 19:41.32 | Vasistha | jordanm: lenny, pdftk |
| 19:41.50 | LuciusMare | Agh, it seems that there is no package "libxklavier15" in sid repos |
| 19:41.58 | jordanm | yang: ad-hoc is more like when you connect two laptops together, as oppossed to connecting a laptop to an AP |
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| 19:42.26 | Vasistha | LuciusMare: well, there is libxklavier16, maybe that could do the job? |
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| 19:42.49 | jordanm | Vasistha: I would try a different java implementation. I was just saying because there is in ipv6 java issue in squeeze that causes exceptions be thrown and is quite common |
| 19:43.07 | Vasistha | jordanm: I have a feeling the problem is with my data input, rather than with java |
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| 19:43.36 | LuciusMare | Vasistha: i already have it installed |
| 19:43.39 | Vasistha | Does my GPG key expire after 3 years or something? |
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| 19:44.21 | Funar | i am trying to start a mysql server, i tried /etc/init.d/mysql start |
| 19:44.41 | Funar | i am getting error 1045 access denied for user 'root' @ localhost |
| 19:44.48 | jelly-home | jordanm: that one worked around by sysctl -w net.ipv6.bindv6only=0 ? |
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| 19:45.13 | visof | jordanm, around ? |
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| 19:51.41 | visof | how can i know the ports that my firewall allowed ? |
| 19:52.10 | epsilon | ask the admin who setup the firewall |
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| 19:53.22 | visof | epsilon, is there a command to know that ? |
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| 19:53.55 | jordanm | visof: if your firewall is a debian box, iptables -L |
| 19:53.58 | abrotman | netstat and sometimes nmap |
| 19:54.24 | jordanm | jelly-home: yes, that one |
| 19:54.46 | puty | wich sniffer can u recommend me? |
| 19:54.53 | puty | for lan |
| 19:55.09 | jelly-home | puty: depends on what you want from it |
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| 19:55.59 | visof | jordanm, so can i add line somewhere to allow specific port to allow ? |
| 19:56.13 | jelly-home | puty: it could be anything from tcpdump, iptraf, maybe iftop, ntop, wireshark depending on the usage scenario |
| 19:56.24 | puty | ok |
| 19:56.29 | puty | that's fine |
| 19:57.18 | puty | i'am using wireshark,iptraf,ettercap |
| 19:57.18 | jordanm | visof: its pointless, unless you have had deny rules they are all open. when firewall is the issue you do not typically get "connection refused" or "closed" from nmap |
| 19:57.31 | jordanm | visof: that indicates that the daemon is not listening on the remote machine |
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| 19:59.04 | puty | i wanted to know if there's something new |
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| 19:59.44 | puty | thanks |
| 20:01.12 | puty | anyone knows some programs to recover data after low format? debian program |
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| 20:02.01 | jelly-home | "low format"? |
| 20:02.05 | lindi- | puty: what exactly is low format? |
| 20:02.34 | puty | sorry for my english |
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| 20:02.40 | puty | i mean low level format |
| 20:02.46 | yang | I have some troubles using wireless keyless network. It somehow works fine in Windows XP, but fails in linux - I tried to modify /etc/network/interfaces and place there - iface eth1 inet dhcp ; wireless-essid network.blah.net but it refuses to get connected by dhcp, also running "dhclient" on 255.255.255.255 refuses to locate IP address |
| 20:02.55 | lindi- | puty: but what does low level format mean exactly? |
| 20:03.01 | DogBoy | you don't use software for that |
| 20:03.10 | DogBoy | you need an electron microscope |
| 20:03.30 | DogBoy | if you can do it at all |
| 20:03.33 | lindi- | DogBoy: we haven't yet defined what it is |
| 20:03.43 | DogBoy | I understand what it is |
| 20:03.49 | lindi- | DogBoy: tell us :) |
| 20:03.54 | DogBoy | google on low level format |
| 20:04.09 | puty | User instigated low-level formatting (LLF) of hard disks was common in the 1980s. Typically this involved setting up the MFM pattern on the disk, so that sectors of bytes could be successfully written to it. |
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| 20:04.16 | lindi- | DogBoy: it seems to mostly return non-free software |
| 20:04.18 | jelly-home | I don't, the era of consumer hardware exposing low-level format to users is 20 years behind |
| 20:04.32 | jelly-home | puty: why are you asking this? |
| 20:05.14 | lindi- | DogBoy: i get many different definitions |
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| 20:05.21 | puty | becourse i make mistake and did low lever format to master hdd :-) |
| 20:05.32 | jelly-home | puty: how exactly did you do it? |
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| 20:05.49 | puty | some low level program over net |
| 20:05.56 | DogBoy | heh |
| 20:05.59 | zleap | i thought you could only do a low level via the bios |
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| 20:06.19 | puty | some low lever format program |
| 20:06.22 | puty | i mean |
| 20:06.26 | jelly-home | puty: is your data worthe more than $1000-$10000? |
| 20:06.30 | lindi- | puty: that was a non-free program? |
| 20:06.38 | jordanm | !dban |
| 20:06.38 | dpkg | Darik's Boot and Nuke (DBAN) is a self-contained boot floppy/CD that securely wipes the hard disks of most computers (x86, x86-64, powerpc). DBAN will automatically and completely delete the contents of any hard disk that it can detect, which makes it an appropriate utility for bulk or emergency data destruction. http://www.dban.org/faq |
| 20:06.47 | puty | yes non-free |
| 20:06.59 | lindi- | puty: then it's pretty difficult for us to figure out what it did |
| 20:06.59 | puty | i can recover some data with testdisk |
| 20:07.16 | DogBoy | so use it |
| 20:07.26 | DogBoy | it's not gonna get any better than that |
| 20:07.50 | puty | i recover one of the partition |
| 20:07.58 | jelly-home | puty: I strongly suggest contacting a professional data recovery service. Naively using software might do even more harm. |
| 20:07.58 | DogBoy | I managed to salvage some scripts when I did it |
| 20:08.12 | DogBoy | but that was all |
| 20:08.21 | visof | jordanm, both machine in the same lan and when i try to ping the remote with its local ip i got : From 192.168.1.11 icmp_seq=1 Destination Host Unreachable |
| 20:08.23 | puty | yes yes thans :-) |
| 20:08.31 | puty | thanks |
| 20:08.31 | visof | jordanm, why that in your view ? |
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| 20:08.55 | jordanm | visof: what is .11? |
| 20:09.00 | jordanm | your local machine? |
| 20:09.15 | visof | jordanm, also when i tried to ping my machine from the host i got it is unreachable too |
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| 20:09.21 | puty | ok don't worry no live important data lose |
| 20:09.22 | jelly-home | puty: an issue like that can't, in a general case, be solved in software by an inexperienced user... even if they're wielding Debian |
| 20:09.32 | visof | both can connect the internet from the same router |
| 20:09.44 | jordanm | visof: are they on the same network? |
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| 20:10.05 | visof | jordanm, yeah |
| 20:10.22 | visof | jordanm, but it's the first time that occurred |
| 20:10.42 | visof | always i can ping my remote machine with local ip |
| 20:10.44 | jelly-home | puty: if you're able to recover any data with software, it means you didn't do "low-level format", or you didn't understand what your tool did, or it didn't fully do what it said on the box |
| 20:10.49 | jordanm | visof: is someone poisoning your ARP? |
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| 20:11.06 | visof | jordanm, what that mean ? |
| 20:11.08 | puty | jelly-home |
| 20:11.14 | jordanm | visof: or is one connected to an AP that imposes restrictions on communicating with LAN clients? |
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| 20:11.31 | jelly-home | puty: any of those means you're not the person to do data recovery, in my book, sorry |
| 20:11.43 | jordanm | visof: arp poisoning is a technique used for a man-in-the-middle attack... used to steal data |
| 20:12.02 | puty | wait |
| 20:13.39 | puty | i run the program without checking right hhd ( i had 2 hdd) |
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| 20:14.06 | puty | this program allow to format any hdd |
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| 20:14.49 | puty | include the working hdd |
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| 20:15.29 | puty | when u start the format u don't stop it |
| 20:15.38 | puty | i shut down comp |
| 20:15.47 | puty | understand ? |
| 20:16.04 | puty | was a low lever format but not comlete |
| 20:16.39 | puty | this hdd had a 4 partition i can recover 3 of them |
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| 20:19.06 | puty | jelly-home maybe iam not the person to do data recovery, inyour book but my cuestion was different |
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| 20:19.23 | douji | Hi, i accidentally deleted my /etc/mysql configuration files (debian), i tried to regenerated them by doing a 'aptitude purge mysql-server' followed by a 'aptitude install mysql-server', but the files are not being regenerated... any ideas? |
| 20:19.23 | puty | you never made mistake |
| 20:19.26 | puty | ok |
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| 20:20.53 | jordanm | !tell douji about confmiss |
| 20:20.54 | jelly-home | well, it's a good thing you finally explained what you did, so with this context people might actually understand the situation |
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| 20:21.58 | jelly-home | so it was a partial low-level format and you unplugged the machine when you realized you were formatting the wrong disk |
| 20:22.23 | puty | yes exactlly |
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| 20:22.49 | blime | douji: try looking in /usr/share/doc/mysql-server-5.1/examples for example config files |
| 20:22.59 | jelly-home | puty: the question now means "what tools to use to recover data from the rest of the disk", because no software will help you recover the data from that part that got overwritten |
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| 20:23.34 | rzeka | how can I check CPU frequency in debian? |
| 20:24.13 | jelly-home | puty: and you already used testdisk to recover the partition table and got access to some of the partitions |
| 20:24.39 | puty | yes i can racover 3 of 4 partition tables |
| 20:24.51 | puty | and save all data of this partitions |
| 20:25.02 | zuluh | Well it depends how damaged your harddisk is. You can really harm the drive by doing so..=/ |
| 20:25.25 | puty | the program destroy first partition table and testdisk is unable to recover it |
| 20:25.34 | tuvwx | debtorrent is misbehaving.. mass downloading continuously |
| 20:25.45 | puty | for this i was asking for some other program |
| 20:26.17 | puty | i'am trying to recover first partition |
| 20:26.26 | jelly-home | puty: at this point I'd suggest making a block-image copy of the whole disk, or at least the currently unpartitioned part, then use pattern-recognition tools like magicrescue to search for files in that image |
| 20:26.39 | jelly-home | puty: do NOT write on the original disk |
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| 20:27.00 | puty | of course |
| 20:27.10 | puty | i put another disk |
| 20:27.13 | jelly-home | make a copy with dd_rescue or dd, and hunt thru that |
| 20:27.30 | zuluh | Dd.. is as old as time but it can can work. Recouva works.. |
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| 20:28.11 | shylent | what do you mean 'it can work', it bloody well works :P |
| 20:28.16 | puty | ok thaks i will try it |
| 20:28.16 | jelly-home | that's why I suggest dd_rescue first |
| 20:28.45 | jelly-home | zuluh: Recouva isn't available in debian, what is that? |
| 20:29.19 | douji | I just tried using the --force-confmiss option with aptitude, but the mysql configuration files are still not being generated. |
| 20:29.32 | puty | ok and this is what i was asking before u tell methat I am useless |
| 20:29.37 | puty | :-) thaks |
| 20:29.40 | puty | thanks |
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| 20:30.20 | zuluh | You build the bits with dd rescue and get more in depth with recovery.. Recouva in essence does the same thing as DD. |
| 20:30.58 | puty | ok i will try |
| 20:31.19 | shylent | I thought dd_rescue's difference from dd was that it backs off after errors (tries to read with lower blocksize) and so on |
| 20:31.53 | shylent | for example when you have bad blocks or something. It doesn't make any sense to use it if the block-level structure of the medium is intact |
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| 20:32.04 | shylent | or so I think anyway |
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| 20:34.39 | puty | thanks to all your's info really useful |
| 20:34.44 | jelly-home | shylent: it's a matter of optimization; sure you can use dd, but if it fails you're going to use the other tool anyway, so you might as well do it from the start |
| 20:35.41 | jelly-home | shylent: and I think a forced poweroff during a format gives some possibility of introducing media errors |
| 20:36.44 | shylent | jelly-home: why can dd fail, though? if I understand it correctly, it can only ever fail on a read (or write) error and if that happens, your harddrive is screwed on the block level. Though, you are obviously right, - dd_rescue doesn't incur any performance penalty over dd while giving you more functionality, so by all means it should be used |
| 20:37.02 | jelly-home | puty: my apologies, I really told you were useless, which is not what this channel is for |
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| 20:39.18 | puty | jelly-home any of those means you're not the person to do data recovery, in my book, sorry |
| 20:39.51 | douji | Hi, I couldn't get the --force-confmiss option to recreate the mysql config files, but when i try to start the server, it warns me that /etc/mysql/my.conf can't be read andsays 'mysqld . . . failed!', but then lets me log into mysql (i can see my existing databases). However, if i copy a version of the configuration into /etc/mysql/ and try to restart, it doesn't start the mysql server anymore. any ideas? |
| 20:40.31 | jordanm | douji: what is the exact command you used? |
| 20:40.48 | puty | anyway i'am grateful for your info |
| 20:40.49 | douji | jordanm: aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall mysql-server; |
| 20:40.51 | jordanm | isn't it my.cnf? you should copy and paste errors, not give summaries |
| 20:41.08 | jordanm | douji: s/mysql-server/mysql-server-5.0 |
| 20:41.16 | jelly-home | douji: did you do it for the correct package? mysql-common: /etc/mysql/my.cnf |
| 20:41.20 | jordanm | douji: mysql-server is a meta package that would not include config files |
| 20:41.32 | jordanm | ah, what jelly-home said, mysql-common |
| 20:41.49 | jelly-home | douji: that's output of "dpkg -S /etc/mysql/my.cnf" |
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| 20:44.56 | jelly-home | puty: when you have a copy or two of the disks, you may take educated guess as for the placement (beginning and end) of the lost partition, and if you know the filesystem type, you might be able to get enough metadata for recovery (eg. if it's ext3fs, might try mounting a copy using alternative superblocks) |
| 20:45.07 | douji | jordanm, i tried the reinstall with mysql-server-5.0 and with mysql-common, i get this error: "The following packages will be REINSTALLED: mysql-common" .. "E: I wasn't able to locate file for the mysql-common package. This might mean you need to manually fix this package.", "E: Internal error: couldn't generate list of packages to download" |
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| 20:45.51 | jordanm | douji: please start pastebinning errors along with the commands that produced them |
| 20:46.00 | XThief | its normal to have a lot of /usr/sbin/apache2 -k start processes? |
| 20:46.32 | jordanm | XThief: yes, but can be configured so that it doesn't if I understand correctly |
| 20:46.54 | XThief | jordanm: its using a lot of CPU |
| 20:47.13 | douji | jordanm: http://pastebin.org/262347 , will do, and thanks for helping me ^___^ |
| 20:47.26 | jordanm | XThief: yes, apache2 is not a lightweight application, also varies based on traffic and what you are hosting |
| 20:47.53 | puty | ok i note this |
| 20:47.58 | XThief | jordanm: you know any alternative? |
| 20:48.07 | rascal999 | I'm trying to start iscsitarget but a module is missing, iscsi_trgt.ko, does sid fix this? |
| 20:48.39 | jordanm | douji: what is the output of: apt-cache policy mysql-common libc6 apt ? |
| 20:49.13 | jordanm | XThief: lighthttpd or nginx. there is likely performance tuning that can be done to apache however |
| 20:49.34 | jordanm | XThief: but if your server is not powerful enough to handle the activity... |
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| 20:50.13 | XThief | jordanm: its strange, as the activity isnt that high |
| 20:50.33 | douji | jordanm: http://pastebin.org/262360 (appended below previous outputs) |
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| 20:50.55 | arezey | kde4 is not in lenny, right? |
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| 20:51.19 | jordanm | douji: your machine is out of date. aptitude update; aptitude upgrade; then try mysql-common with confmiss again |
| 20:51.38 | jordanm | arezey: correct |
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| 20:51.58 | arezey | k |
| 20:52.03 | arezey | and to get it i need to get squeeze. |
| 20:52.14 | arezey | thanks |
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| 20:56.38 | jordanm | douji: I actually have to head out for about an hour. if you are still having trouble, someone else here should be able to help |
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| 20:59.27 | douji | jordanm: thanks for your help, i'm just reinstalling and hoping it works. |
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| 21:02.32 | rascal999 | in iscsi, what is a fileio? |
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| 21:04.55 | rbparten | Hey guys, I am having a moment of stupidity, is it possible to setup a cron job without using crontab? |
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| 21:08.38 | orfix | Hi, i have done a tail -f /var/log/syslog and then i closed the terminal (xterm) how can i get back the tail display ? the process is still there, i can see it by doing a ps -ef | grep tail ? thanks |
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| 21:10.36 | zuluh | Rascal999: its an input output where the saved log file is for an iscsi program. |
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| 21:11.42 | natsukao_ | hello |
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| 21:12.08 | natsukao_ | anyone know if the canon dc 301 can works with GNU/linux ? |
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| 21:14.33 | valdyn | rbparten: what could be the point of that? |
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| 21:16.01 | lindi- | orfix: odd, here tail dies |
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| 21:18.45 | rbparten | valdyn: That is what they want, that is what I will deliver |
| 21:19.05 | valdyn | rbparten: its a really really stupid idea |
| 21:19.08 | rbparten | I made a small shell script and placed it in /etc/cron.hourly/ and set su - user -c command |
| 21:19.19 | valdyn | rbparten: uh |
| 21:19.28 | valdyn | rbparten: thats like using a crontab |
| 21:19.35 | rbparten | pretty much |
| 21:19.43 | rbparten | but we can't use crontab as that user |
| 21:19.55 | rbparten | this is some oddball Linux distro with SELinux |
| 21:19.56 | valdyn | rbparten: every user has his own crontab |
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| 21:20.33 | valdyn | rbparten: cant you use crontab -e as that user? |
| 21:21.07 | valdyn | rbparten: your customer cant be asking "do this, but do it the most retarded way", that must be a misunderstanding |
| 21:21.09 | rbparten | valdyn: Nope |
| 21:21.14 | valdyn | wow |
| 21:21.19 | rbparten | valdyn: My company I work for |
| 21:21.26 | rbparten | yeah, really stupid |
| 21:21.28 | rbparten | stupid' |
| 21:21.30 | rbparten | errr |
| 21:21.41 | rbparten | I can't see my screen, I need glasses |
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| 21:22.03 | rbparten | so, root owns the file, but it runs as the specified user |
| 21:22.19 | rbparten | I am hoping this means exactly that, it runs as that non-priv user and not root |
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| 21:22.27 | rbparten | if it runs as root, we are screwed |
| 21:22.45 | valdyn | rbparten: hmm? |
| 21:22.51 | rbparten | ah, then I have to create a script to read teh timestamps and delete files older than 72 hours |
| 21:22.57 | rbparten | FUN |
| 21:23.17 | rbparten | Never did that before, but I imagine that someone has done it so there is probably a pre-made script for me to follow |
| 21:23.48 | rbparten | AHHHHHHH the man pages aren't even installed on thsi POS |
| 21:24.16 | valdyn | rbparten: date can write and parse time stamps, thats not so hard |
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| 21:24.49 | rbparten | valdyn: Ah, I just have to read abou tit |
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| 21:25.59 | valdyn | rbparten: backup applications do this, but easier to rewrite your simple case |
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| 21:26.36 | rbparten | AHHHH, now they don't want it hourly, but 3 times per day! |
| 21:26.58 | rbparten | any ideas on that, I thought I had the easy route by placing it in cron.hourly |
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| 21:27.14 | valdyn | rbparten: i fail to see your problem |
| 21:27.45 | rbparten | They have a specific script to run 3 times in a 24 hour period |
| 21:27.55 | rbparten | I can't use crontab as the user, only as root |
| 21:28.15 | valdyn | rbparten: and your real limit is not that you cannot use a crontab but that you cannot use /etc/crontab or crontab -e |
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| 21:28.29 | rbparten | as that user |
| 21:28.35 | valdyn | rbparten: right |
| 21:28.38 | rbparten | the user we want the program to run under :) |
| 21:28.54 | valdyn | rbparten: so use /etc/cron.d and put your own cron line in a file there |
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| 21:30.06 | |tomiondrums| | Hi! I've recently finished to install Debian Squeeze on my new HP DL120 G6 and i had to realize that the harddisk array doesn't work properly. lspci reports the controller to be a "RAID bus controller: Hewlett-Packard Company Smart Array G6 controllers (rev 01)" and "hdparm /dev/cciss/c0d0" reports "HDIO_DRIVE_CMD(identify) failed: Invalid exchange" |
| 21:30.07 | |tomiondrums| | Did you see such a problem and what can i do to resolve it? What does it actually come from (might the controller be recognized improperly?)? |
| 21:30.59 | |tomiondrums| | (i'm running the amd64 edition) |
| 21:31.14 | valdyn | |tomiondrums|: its not required that hdparm works |
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| 21:31.43 | |tomiondrums| | but the harddisk access is extremely slow |
| 21:32.05 | valdyn | |tomiondrums|: maybe because its syncing right now? why would hdparm have anything to do with it? |
| 21:32.08 | |tomiondrums| | i think that the hdparm error message is only a symptom of the whole thing |
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| 21:32.47 | |tomiondrums| | the install took me (without any additional packages like desktop environment etc.) about 3 hours |
| 21:33.00 | |tomiondrums| | and the running system is even slower |
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| 21:33.19 | valdyn | |tomiondrums|: HDIO_DRIVE_CMD(identify) failed: Invalid argument is what I get on my raid |
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| 21:33.28 | valdyn | |tomiondrums|: and that raid is perfectly fine |
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| 21:34.12 | |tomiondrums| | installing a simple package like "hdparm" (which doesn't pull any other depending packaged takes) like half a minute on this brand new box... |
| 21:34.17 | valdyn | |tomiondrums|: so, is it syncing right now? |
| 21:34.23 | |tomiondrums| | no |
| 21:34.34 | |tomiondrums| | it cant be syncing all the time |
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| 21:34.47 | valdyn | |tomiondrums|: i dont know what disks you have, but syncing can take a day |
| 21:35.18 | |tomiondrums| | in a freshly installed and newly booted system? |
| 21:35.35 | valdyn | |tomiondrums|: in a new raid |
| 21:35.46 | |tomiondrums| | aaah -- now i see |
| 21:35.47 | valdyn | |tomiondrums|: or in a raid that needs to be synced |
| 21:35.52 | |tomiondrums| | my bad |
| 21:36.01 | valdyn | can you see it syncing? |
| 21:36.02 | |tomiondrums| | shame on me |
| 21:36.15 | valdyn | ( linux software raid does not have this problem...) |
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| 21:37.06 | |tomiondrums| | now i see why the disk leds are blinking alternately... |
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| 21:37.30 | |tomiondrums| | i didn't think of that because the disks are brand new |
| 21:37.45 | |tomiondrums| | and i've just set up the array |
| 21:37.56 | valdyn | |tomiondrums|: raid5 , the more disks, the longer the sync |
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| 21:38.20 | |tomiondrums| | how can i find out whether this array is currently syncing? |
| 21:38.35 | valdyn | |tomiondrums|: no idea, you need the hardware specific tools |
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| 21:38.41 | |tomiondrums| | ok |
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| 21:39.41 | |tomiondrums| | i set up a raid1 consisting of 2 disks with 2TB each -- i gues that will take a while... |
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| 21:39.52 | valdyn | |tomiondrums|: yea |
| 21:39.53 | |tomiondrums| | valdyn: thanks anyway! |
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| 21:40.01 | allu2 | Hello, how i enable synaptic touchpad tapping? |
| 21:40.47 | valdyn | |tomiondrums|: it might be worth thinking about using software raid for this btw, look into it |
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| 21:44.11 | babilen | allu2: "man synaptics" → read "TapButton1" → edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf or use something like gnome-mouse-properties/gpointing-device-settings/xinput |
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| 21:45.09 | allu2 | babilen, i'll look into those, gpointing-device-settings doesn't enable tapping for me, it does enable scrolling tough |
| 21:45.36 | babilen | allu2: Which branch of Debian are you tracking? |
| 21:45.53 | allu2 | babilen, squeeze |
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| 21:46.10 | allu2 | babilen, on omnibook XE3-GF |
| 21:46.32 | karlpinc | wols: FYI, I bought an eee from eracks. We'll see if I can get them to put debian on it or if it'll come with Ubuntu. (All their servers are available with Debian.) |
| 21:47.23 | babilen | allu2: Ah, squeeze. If you don't mind to enable it for all users you can easily configure it in your xorg.conf and that is probably the best place to do so. No idea why gpointing-device-settings is not working for you. What about xinput? |
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| 21:48.08 | allu2 | haven't tried yet, iam not really expert on this area :P |
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| 21:49.59 | babilen | allu2: Well - to make a long story short - You probably want to install xserver-xorg-input-synaptics - and add Option "TapButton1" "1" |
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| 21:50.45 | babilen | allu2: to your xorg.conf in the section for the synaptic device. If you want a little more information you can read http://wiki.debian.org/SynapticsTouchpad and http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Synaptics_TouchPad_driver_for_X |
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| 21:51.38 | allu2 | babilen, ok thank you :) huoh, i don't like this new idea having no xorg.conf by default :P |
| 21:51.56 | gravity | You can always make one. X won't stop you. |
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| 21:52.40 | gravity | It'll even help you. |
| 21:53.06 | babilen | !tell allu2 about xorg conf squeeze |
| 21:53.09 | |tomiondrums| | valdyn: i've been using a software raid on my old server for some years (never had problems with it) but i just thought of trying out something new ;-) (and the controller card was for free...) |
| 21:53.11 | babilen | !tell allu2 about xorg config squeeze |
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| 21:56.58 | babilen | allu2: And while we are at it - forget about configuring anything with hal/udev - that should be used for autodetection and user configuration should go into xorg.conf (like before) |
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| 21:58.34 | allu2 | babilen, ok :) |
| 21:59.02 | babilen | allu2: So no need to confuse yourself with that (unless you are into these things) |
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| 22:00.35 | allu2 | babilen, i shouldn't touch things i don't know about ;) i have bad experience on breaking things down while doing so :P |
| 22:01.44 | allu2 | babilen, hum shoulnd't tapping work already in login screen? |
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| 22:03.04 | babilen | allu2: I would think so - Could you try it in a WM and paste /var/log/Xorg.0.log if it is not working ... I find it strange that gpointing-device-settings did not work for you either |
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| 22:04.34 | allu2 | babilen, WM? |
| 22:04.48 | allu2 | ah |
| 22:04.50 | allu2 | nothing |
| 22:05.29 | babilen | allu2: window manager -- or desktop environment (DE) |
| 22:06.17 | allu2 | babilen, wait i come here on laptop |
| 22:06.26 | babilen | ok |
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| 22:06.52 | allu2_ | ok, now it's easier to do pastebinit :) |
| 22:07.28 | babilen | allu2: I assume that means that it is not working, correct? |
| 22:07.33 | allu2_ | babilen: http://pastebin.com/h6CTEAEA Xorg log |
| 22:08.00 | allu2_ | babilen: yeah no tapping working |
| 22:08.02 | jhutchins_lt | So pastebinit is working again? Yay. |
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| 22:08.40 | allu2_ | jhutchins_lt: i yayed too when i noticed :) tough before i just set default pastebin to paste.ubuntu.com :P |
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| 22:09.46 | jordanm | what? default lenny pastebinit is functional again??? |
| 22:09.50 | babilen | allu2_: What is the output of "egrep -i 'synap|alps|etps' /proc/bus/input/devices" ? |
| 22:09.54 | jhutchins_lt | Just remember to check for plaintext passwords before you paste. |
| 22:09.58 | babilen | jordanm: squeeze |
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| 22:10.10 | jordanm | ah, that was expected... |
| 22:10.18 | babilen | yeah - unfortunately |
| 22:10.24 | jordanm | did all he could to get fixed pastebinit into lenny... |
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| 22:10.48 | jordanm | including writting the patch to fix it |
| 22:10.54 | jordanm | is now depressed |
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| 22:11.43 | allu2_ | babilen: N: Name="SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad" |
| 22:11.44 | babilen | !comfort jordanm |
| 22:11.44 | dpkg | There, there, jordanm. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
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| 22:12.06 | allu2_ | babilen: also the tapping used to work on ubuntu 9.10 and 10.04 |
| 22:12.19 | jordanm | !synaptics |
| 22:12.19 | dpkg | Synaptics is a X.org driver for the touchpad on many laptops. For use in X, install the xserver-xorg-input-synaptics package and "man synaptics" for driver options; GUI configuration tools include gsynaptics and gpointing-device-settings (Squeeze). If it's not working, try "modprobe -r psmouse ; modprobe psmouse". This driver does not support X.org auto-configuration in Lenny. See also <trackpoint>. |
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| 22:12.33 | jordanm | allu2_: see above for touchpad configuration |
| 22:12.39 | babilen | allu2_: Ok - good ... Unfortunately I have to go now (did not expect that) ... but i'll be back later and there are other fine people in here ... |
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| 22:13.40 | babilen | jordanm: We've covered that alread, but I would be grateful if you could take it from here. (basically only tried TapButton1 "1" in xorg.conf so far) |
| 22:13.40 | allu2 | babilen, thanks for help :) |
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| 22:13.47 | babilen | until later ... sorry ;- |
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| 22:17.28 | allu2 | jordanm, the modprobe thing didn't help |
| 22:17.39 | allu2 | jordanm, still no mouse tapping :( |
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| 22:18.30 | allu2 | even tough i have in xorg.conf, i have restarted x since then, i have tried gpointer-device-settings (witch could enable scrolling) but no tapping :( |
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| 22:33.20 | Ziber | just booted a debian lenny vm. what do i have to do to enable ipv6? |
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| 22:35.29 | obreiro | Ziber IPv6 is installed and enabled default |
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| 22:37.38 | Ziber | obreiro: it wasnt. i had to modprobe it |
| 22:37.51 | obreiro | really? |
| 22:38.15 | obreiro | there is a deb paquet that install ipv6 |
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| 22:39.32 | dondelelcaro | obreiro: ipv6 is part of the kernel, and it is enabled by default. |
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| 22:39.52 | dondelelcaro | (now, in order for it to do anything useful, you actually have to be part of the IPv6 network... but...) |
| 22:39.53 | obreiro | of course I thought that |
| 22:40.24 | obreiro | you need a ipv6 router if you want to go |
| 22:40.34 | obreiro | or a local network |
| 22:40.41 | obreiro | is not so useful today |
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| 22:44.22 | Ziber | obreiro: got one |
| 22:44.26 | Ziber | a router that is |
| 22:44.31 | Ziber | with a v4 tunnel |
| 22:44.35 | obreiro | good |
| 22:44.36 | Ziber | works just fine. |
| 22:45.20 | obreiro | have you configured dinamic addresses in the router? |
| 22:46.05 | Ziber | well, i prefer static |
| 22:46.50 | obreiro | ok but with v6 is easier dinamics |
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| 22:47.40 | azteech | would anyone have a recommended choice for format of a /tmp directory. Am thinking of using ext2, but also know there is ext3/4 and XFS ... since /tmp is just that, a temporary file holding place, and not really something that needs heavy journaling. does it make sense to use Ext2 file system? |
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| 22:48.16 | dondelelcaro | azteech: doesn't really matter; I'd personally use ext3 now, but use whatever works |
| 22:48.59 | azteech | dondelelcaro, thanks. :) |
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| 22:49.26 | Fare | I upgraded debian, and I have no more kde panel, no kcontrol :-( |
| 22:49.51 | Fare | apt-file search can't find either kcontrol or kicker |
| 22:49.57 | Fare | how do I get my kde back? |
| 22:50.05 | frostschutz | azteech: some people use tmpfs (i.e. ram), for me it's xfs, but no particular reason other than that I use xfs for just about everything. I don't have anything that does any serious work in /tmp anyways |
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| 22:50.42 | frostschutz | azteech: also it being /tmp, you can change the filesystem any time you like so it's not something to worry too much about |
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| 22:52.59 | azteech | frostschutz, thanks. Being that I am installing/updating a laptop, memory can be a bit scarce at times... so, tmpfs doesn't seem like a viable solution .. and would rather use a 4GB slice of HD ... |
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| 22:53.47 | allu2_ | Problem solved: synclient TapButton1=1 command enabled tapping on synaptics touchpad on squeeze |
| 22:53.59 | Fare | anyone uses kde there? |
| 22:54.07 | frostschutz | azteech: hm, my /tmp is 2GB but only ~30MB are in use and most of that is old stuff (since I don't automatically clean out /tmp), so 4GB may be a bit much unless you know you'll be using some app that uses /tmp a lot |
| 22:54.29 | denugger | t was a cold night as a stranger walked into their campsite just as if she had gone to get firewood and had just gotten back.The first to notice her was Inuyasha,and he was startled,for he had not been paying much attention all night."Hey,who the hell are you?!?!"he demanded,startling his friends. |
| 22:54.29 | denugger | "Uhhhhhh..."said Kagome,as she glared at Inuyasha for his rudeness."What he means to say-"she started. |
| 22:54.29 | denugger | "I know he meant,'Hey,who the hell are you?!?!',and I'm used to it...sorta."the stranger said off-handedly,as though she was all of a sudden awkward. |
| 22:54.30 | denugger | "What do you mean by that?"questioned Sango. |
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| 22:54.56 | denugger | "My name is Kara."she stated,then frowned in slight distaste."Do you think my name is weird?" |
| 22:54.58 | denugger | They were all still staring at her,even Kagome who frequently told Inuyasha that staring was rude.Kara,however,had noticed none of this,and was still talking. |
| 22:55.02 | denugger | "...and people always call me n |
| 22:55.14 | azteech | well, we use it on the road a lot .. mainly to watch video's .. when we are in a hotel ... so, /tmp and /swap have a tendency to get used a tad bit more ... |
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| 22:56.19 | denugger | i once had a mother roach in my mouth |
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| 22:56.29 | azteech | and, since it does have 2GB memory, was using rule of thumb to double swap and tmp file structure .. |
| 22:56.29 | denugger | and she planted her eggs btw my teeth |
| 22:56.37 | denugger | it was so delicious |
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| 22:57.07 | linux2 | hi, I just installed debian unstable and installed flash player 10 within firefox. I'm having an issue with no sound. I only have one sound device so I know it isn't playing through the other device, anyone have any ideas? |
| 22:57.14 | frostschutz | thanks |
| 22:57.48 | azteech | lol, thanks dondelelcaro ... |
| 22:57.48 | jordanm | !tell linux2 about alsa checklist |
| 22:57.50 | baba_bubba | you whacked him good, thanks |
| 22:57.55 | jordanm | !tell linux2 about sid |
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| 22:59.47 | linux2 | ahh ok, well I generally tend to be able to solve my own problems, this one is just annoying. lol. sound works otherwise, just stupid flash |
| 23:01.16 | linux2 | I have a feeling something else is hogging the sound device |
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| 23:03.05 | azteech | linux2, what does htop show for running processes - that should help narrow down the problem. |
| 23:03.05 | jordanm | !tell linux2 about dmix |
| 23:03.30 | Ziber | how can you tell the exact debian version? ie, is there an equivalent of ubuntu's lsb_release command? |
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| 23:04.25 | baba_bubba | Ziber, cat /etc/debian_version |
| 23:04.30 | jordanm | Ziber: lsb_release. it can be exact though, you never know when people have mixed release |
| 23:04.34 | jordanm | !version |
| 23:04.34 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a, or cat /proc/version. Do cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} which should grab almost all distributions. |
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| 23:08.44 | EliasAmaral | is there a sudoers rule that says "let all members of group1 execute commands as any member of group2"? I'm trying %group1 %group2 = NOPASSWD: ALL but this is a syntax error |
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| 23:10.33 | jordanm | dark: what is the point of putting them in different groups if you were to do that? |
| 23:10.34 | zfra | allu2_: it worked like charm, thanks. Will it still work after restarting? I checked /etc/X11/xorg.conf and there's no new line written. |
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| 23:12.00 | allu2_ | zfra: haven't tried yet :) |
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| 23:13.00 | allu2_ | zfra: you case you didn't try/know when you do with other numbers you get more button (for example that you can click with two tap same time to have "right" click |
| 23:13.24 | allu2_ | first was 1=1 and second 2=2 ... |
| 23:13.28 | Ziber | why wouldnt ipv6 be enabled on boot? |
| 23:13.29 | dark | jordanm, I want to have a "login" group with password access, and a "task" group for doing specialized tasks (downloading, editing code, whatever). I already setup this, but with su (sux, actually) plus a sudo rule that let the login group to exec the scripts that makes the change as root |
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| 23:14.00 | dark | jordanm, I found sudox and I'm trying to get rid of sux and helpers script, it would simplify things |
| 23:14.19 | dark | I know this setup isn't very common, but I want to experiment with it :P |
| 23:14.41 | azteech | Ziber, most folks don't have a need for ipv6 just yet ... |
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| 23:14.59 | jordanm | dark: why not add users who are in group1 who also need group2 access, to group2? |
| 23:15.10 | NathanW | Simple Question here, I've read the docs and alot on google, however I seam to be getting more confused rather than an answer, I have an I7 920 system, and I'm woundering if i should be running IA64 or I386? or if there is another one that should be ran on this machine, some doc's said IA64 some said I386, so i'm still confused any pointers in the right direction would be apriciated much thanks. |
| 23:15.29 | jordanm | dark: it seems this might be a problem you have created for yourself, by taking an odd approach |
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| 23:15.43 | azteech | NathanW, IA64 (AMD64) ... |
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| 23:16.50 | NathanW | azteech, IA64 or AMD64 are they esentialy the same? or priority IA64 if that dont work AMD64? what exactly did you mean by both? |
| 23:16.55 | icebrain | no! |
| 23:16.58 | icebrain | !IA64 |
| 23:16.58 | dpkg | [ia64] (Intel Architecture-64), a 64-bit processor architecture developed in cooperation by Intel and Hewlett-Packard, implemented by processors such as Itanium and Itanium 2. The goal of Itanium was to produce a "post-RISC era" arch using EPIC. See http://www.debian.org/ports/ia64/ -- if your CPU is opteron/athlon64/turion/sempron/xeon/em64t/pentium/core2duo/core*, then it is NOT ia64, it's <amd64>. |
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| 23:17.01 | azteech | NathanW, you would want to run IA64, especially if you want access to full memory above 3GB ... |
| 23:17.10 | icebrain | azteech: IA64 != amd64! |
| 23:17.19 | azteech | IA64=amd64 |
| 23:17.20 | jordanm | azteech: ia64 is _not_ amd64. ia64 is for intel itaniums. intel called their version x86_64 |
| 23:17.23 | dark | jordanm, how this would help? (maybe it would be better to create an User_Alias) |
| 23:17.47 | azteech | jordanm, true ... forgot the itaniums ... |
| 23:18.05 | jordanm | azteech: the factoid above says it |
| 23:18.26 | azteech | lol, yeah, saw that .... like I said, temp brain dump .. |
| 23:18.34 | dark | intel calls their version "intel 64", but the difference is irrelevant. plus, people were calling intel plataform i386 for too much, i think it's balanced to call the next plataform amd64 |
| 23:18.43 | NathanW | so the I7 then is IA64? 12 gigs of ram, so ya defently want over 3 gig to be seen |
| 23:18.47 | jhutchins_lt | NathanW: Having recently embarassed myself on this, contrary to intuition, the current Intel 64 bit platform runs the amd64 kernel. |
| 23:18.53 | dark | maybe intel can win the i128 name |
| 23:18.54 | jordanm | dark: well, would they not be able to use group2's sudo if they were in group2? |
| 23:19.22 | epsilon | NathanWcore i7 is NOT itanium |
| 23:19.49 | NathanW | jhutchins ahhhhh... that makes much more sence now.. so running the amd64 on it will be the direction to go |
| 23:19.53 | dark | jordanm, I have poor understanding of sudo, but what I want is to be able to switch to a specific user (say, dev) on this group. sudo doesn't grant default access to users of my own group, afaik |
| 23:19.56 | jordanm | there is a discussion on the BTS about making it more clear that people likely want i386 and amd64 (possibly by also referring to them as 32bit PC and 64bit PC) |
| 23:19.59 | azteech | NathanW, download the amd64 version ... |
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| 23:20.12 | jhutchins_lt | I don't think Itanium is even in production any more. |
| 23:20.28 | NathanW | thanks guys do really apriciate it |
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| 23:20.50 | dark | NathanW, 12GB? wow :o |
| 23:21.11 | jordanm | dark: adduser <group>. they now have the same access as anything else in the dev group, I still don't quite understand the issue |
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| 23:22.03 | allu2_ | i don't have /dev/mixer is this a problem :P |
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| 23:22.11 | zfra | allu2_: I haven't tried this way I tried to edit manually /etc/X11/xorg.conf, but then all my X11 went down. This is what I did http://paste.debian.net/74291 |
| 23:22.50 | dark | jordanm, ahh. but what I want is to switch *to* a a member of a group, but not let a user of this group switch to anything else. @.@ (well, I saw some approaches like hm bitfrost of olpc, I would like to try enforcing some separation on unix) |
| 23:22.59 | NathanW | dark, first time I ever had 2800 to just blow on a new computer, so ya, i went evga x56 sli with 12 gig ddr3 tripple channel 1600mhz ram, and I7 920 chip with d0 stepping for overclocking stable at 4.3ghz :-) first extream build, but i cant stand winblows lol so i gotta debian up on it :-) |
| 23:23.20 | dark | NathanW, any fancy graphics card? |
| 23:23.32 | NathanW | 3 nvida 260's |
| 23:23.36 | dark | omg |
| 23:23.51 | dark | 3 cards?.. |
| 23:23.55 | NathanW | yeah lol ive built computers for clients many many times before, never anything like this |
| 23:23.58 | NathanW | ya tripple sli |
| 23:24.06 | jordanm | dark: but what would be the difference is putting the user in the group and allowing them to switch to the group or run commands with the privs? the fact they need type their own password in again (maybe)? |
| 23:24.16 | dark | is there proper support for this 3 nvidia cards at once on debian? |
| 23:24.34 | allu2_ | zfra: sorry iam not really specialist on xorg :( but i pasted my xorg.con (i know looks horrible and is copy pasted) :P http://pastebin.com/CDnNjjAs |
| 23:24.42 | dark | jordanm, oh, I want NOPASSWD too |
| 23:24.55 | NathanW | i'm not sure of sli or not on debian, i game using vista boot in to deb for everything els so i only need one of them to run in deb for now :-D |
| 23:24.56 | jordanm | dark: then add them to the group |
| 23:25.32 | allu2_ | zfra: your running squeeze? |
| 23:25.52 | jordanm | dark: and be happy you didn't implement MAC before trying to do this :) |
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| 23:26.32 | dark | mandatory access control? hm |
| 23:26.49 | jordanm | dark: yes |
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| 23:27.15 | Ziber | Configuring network interfaces...No support for INET6 on this system. <-- How can I fix that? |
| 23:27.30 | dark | Ziber, /etc/network/interfaces |
| 23:27.39 | Ziber | Yes, I have a static iface for ipv6 set up. |
| 23:27.47 | Ziber | But the box doesnt appear to support ipv6. |
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| 23:28.01 | dark | ah |
| 23:28.14 | Ziber | trying to figure out why |
| 23:28.14 | jordanm | !ipv6 |
| 23:28.15 | dpkg | Internet Protocol version 6 (IPv6) is the next-generation IP version designed to replace IPv4. Available in Debian since <potato>, full IPv6 support is a release goal for Squeeze. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIPv6 http://ipv6.debian.net/ http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Linux+IPv6-HOWTO/ http://www.ipv6.org/ #debian-ipv6 on irc.oftc.net, #ipv6 on irc.freenode.net. To disable IPv6 on your system, ask me about <noipv6>. |
| 23:28.35 | Ziber | !noipv6 |
| 23:28.36 | dpkg | [noipv6] To disable use of <IPv6> on Lenny: echo "install ipv6 /bin/true" >> /etc/modprobe.d/local.conf (and reboot for the changes to take effect). From Squeeze onwards, IPv6 is built into the kernel, add the kernel command line option "ipv6.disable=1" to your bootloader. |
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| 23:29.24 | Ziber | :/ |
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| 23:30.05 | dark | what's your debian version? |
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| 23:30.37 | Ziber | how can i look? |
| 23:30.46 | jordanm | !version |
| 23:30.47 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a, or cat /proc/version. Do cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} which should grab almost all distributions. |
| 23:30.52 | dark | lsb_release -a |
| 23:31.08 | Ziber | -bash: lsb_release: command not found |
| 23:31.18 | dark | ok, cat /etc/debian_version |
| 23:31.21 | jordanm | !installit |
| 23:31.22 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude. |
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| 23:31.58 | jordanm | Ziber: package is lsb-release |
| 23:31.58 | Ziber | riogrande:~# apt-cache search lsb_release <-- returned nothing |
| 23:32.07 | jordanm | !apt-file |
| 23:32.08 | dpkg | i guess apt-file is a utility used to find which package owns a given file or list files in a package even if it's not installed: "aptitude install apt-file && apt-file update" ; then "apt-file search filename" to see a list of packages containing filename (can also use a regexp; see man apt-file). You can also search online; ask me about <pdo> <auto-apt> <dlocate> |
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| 23:32.49 | allu2_ | Hello, i don't have sound on my squeeze, no /dev/mixer :S |
| 23:33.00 | jordanm | !tell allu2_ about alsa checklist |
| 23:33.04 | Ziber | riogrande:~# lsb_release -sd |
| 23:33.04 | Ziber | Debian GNU/Linux 5.0.4 (lenny) |
| 23:33.04 | Ziber | riogrande:~# |
| 23:33.10 | Ziber | thats better :) |
| 23:33.14 | Ziber | and with that, sorry, but brb dinner |
| 23:33.20 | dark | jordanm, the problem is: i have users dev and down on the task group, and i have user small on login group. I want small to be able to type dev emacs and open emacs as dev, dev gedit and open gedit as dev, |
| 23:33.53 | dark | etc. and i want it to be able to do down something, etc. but i don't want dev to be able to switch to down, or switch back to small |
| 23:34.06 | dark | it already does this |
| 23:34.17 | dark | (but it's a bit ugly right now) |
| 23:34.27 | jordanm | dark: so you want to open it as a user named "dev"? |
| 23:34.36 | jordanm | !xy problem |
| 23:34.36 | dpkg | [xyproblem] People often falsely diagnose problems because they are looking too closely at a problem: they have got stuck at a particular point (Y) doing something (X) and so ask about step Y, not realising that there is an easier or better way to do X in the first place. See http://mywiki.wooledge.org/XyProblem or http://homepages.tesco.net/J.deBoynePollard/FGA/put-down-the-chocolate-covered-banana.html |
| 23:34.42 | dark | yes, but i want it to scale |
| 23:34.46 | jordanm | dark: all of this sounds terrible... |
| 23:34.48 | dark | for all other users of the task group |
| 23:35.24 | dark | jordanm, Hmm. I am bothered by the fact that all programs I run have access to all files my regular user has |
| 23:35.55 | jordanm | dark: then you need to implement something like SELinux, which will likely even more not like what your doing |
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| 23:36.29 | dark | jordanm, I would try chroot too, but only if this workflow is actually nice (I'm still experimenting with it) |
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| 23:37.28 | jordanm | dark: ext* also support ACLs, and everything in *nix is a file |
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| 23:37.49 | dark | jordanm, hmmm. I will try with sudo a bit more, thanks o.o (And in fact sudo has something called User_Alias, for providing a list of users. The problem is that now I have to maintain two lists of users: one on /etc/passwd, other in /etc/sudoers) |
| 23:38.09 | dark | jordanm, hmm, the problem is, I'm not familiar with them, but I will read a bit about this, thanks :) |
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| 23:42.42 | Caelum | I upgraded my kernel to 2.6.33, now music plays from both my speakers and headphones when I have headphones plugged in |
| 23:42.54 | dark | selinux sounds a bit more complicated than what I'm doing |
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| 23:48.32 | jordanm | dark: selinux is not a solution to the problem we were disucssing... its a solution to: < dark> jordanm, Hmm. I am bothered by the fact that all programs I run have access to all files my regular user has |
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| 23:49.09 | pynchon | Hey, faggot! Those assless leather chaps are pissing me off. How can you possibly walk around in public without anything covering your erect cock, and clean shaven balls. I cant believe anyone does this for real! You should find some sort of underwear before I come over and put my hands on your genitalia, to provide some modesty! I will happily stroke your penis so it can be tucked away inside the chaps if you insist, but I'd rather you just put ... |
| 23:49.10 | pynchon | ... on some boxers. Yes, I know I have pink pants on, and a rainbow shirt. Im still waiting. Get those chaps covered up, and get your hot, tight buns out of my face before I go crazy. |
| 23:49.34 | jordanm | !ops pynchon is a troll |
| 23:49.34 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: jordanm complains about: pynchon is a troll |
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| 23:49.57 | firespeaker | is rtkit in unstable? |
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| 23:50.04 | jordanm | ,versions rtkit |
| 23:50.05 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'rtkit' was found. |
| 23:50.13 | bzed | firespeaker: packages.debian.org is your friend. |
| 23:50.40 | firespeaker | yeah, I tried that |
| 23:50.51 | firespeaker | and searching apt |
| 23:50.53 | firespeaker | locally |
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| 23:51.14 | mentor | jordanm: thanks |
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| 23:52.14 | zfra | allu2_: Yes I am in squeeze. |
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| 23:55.36 | bzed | firespeaker: then its not in debian |
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| 23:55.50 | firespeaker | hm, ah well |
| 23:56.08 | bzed | firespeaker: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=535426 |
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| 23:57.51 | allu2 | zfra, ok, you should search for help with that if you need from others because i don't really think i can help you with that :( |
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