| 00:00.00 | anli_ | I dont even like the syntax of it |
| 00:00.24 | zcat[1] | I fear dd.. one accidental /dev/sda instead of /dev/sdb and you can really mess things up |
| 00:00.29 | beardy | dd most certainly is not a hack. |
| 00:00.40 | anli_ | Or I consider it one |
| 00:01.06 | banginthisbox | dd goes back to 62 i think |
| 00:01.13 | frostschutz | dd is great if you know how to use it |
| 00:01.20 | banginthisbox | yup |
| 00:01.26 | anli_ | things that you need to know how to use them are hacks ;) |
| 00:01.35 | zcat[1] | dd is not a friend of dyslexics |
| 00:01.43 | anli_ | things that you just use are non-hacks |
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| 00:02.02 | banginthisbox | dd will recover a dead drive |
| 00:02.03 | Smirnov | is there a system policy i can set that will drop me into a gdb debugger instead of crashing when a program gets an unhandled signal |
| 00:02.15 | beardy | anli_: I think the absolute opposite is true. |
| 00:02.39 | anli_ | beardy: I supposed that at least one of your kind would be in this channel :) |
| 00:02.49 | banginthisbox | lol |
| 00:02.50 | beardy | anli_: :) |
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| 00:03.39 | zcat[1] | seriously to make a bootable USB drive from a CD image I would use unetbootin, NOT dd... |
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| 00:03.59 | anli_ | unetbootin is an application when compared to dd |
| 00:04.09 | anli_ | it has a visual appearance that I like |
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| 00:04.24 | banginthisbox | lol |
| 00:04.49 | banginthisbox | all we care is does it work |
| 00:04.51 | anli_ | but my ass is more appealing than dd |
| 00:04.56 | zcat[1] | I know dd works but I still consider dumping an ISO filesystem to a USB drive very hack-like |
| 00:05.05 | zcat[1] | !worksforme |
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| 00:05.32 | banginthisbox | think I used fdisk first |
| 00:05.53 | anli_ | hm, wonder if this bios suppors booting on a usb stick, I can choose between usb-fdd, usb-zip and usb-cdrom |
| 00:05.53 | beardy | ISO filesytems are quite hacky altogether with all extensions. But I guess that's quite offtopic. |
| 00:06.24 | beardy | anli_: It supports it a lot then. |
| 00:06.31 | banginthisbox | yea but you will prolly need the usb boot disc for pendrives |
| 00:06.44 | anli_ | beardy: but there is no "usb-stick" |
| 00:07.24 | banginthisbox | or usb-hdd |
| 00:07.26 | lk | anli_, did you check if it detected an extra hard drive? |
| 00:07.32 | frostschutz | or generic usb mass storage |
| 00:07.41 | anli_ | hm, one of my cats is walking into a paper bag full of cables |
| 00:07.49 | banginthisbox | lol |
| 00:07.51 | anli_ | I can only see the tip of the tail |
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| 00:08.17 | banginthisbox | i used to tease mine into one on the linoleum |
| 00:08.29 | anli_ | lk: nope, can bios do that? |
| 00:08.29 | banginthisbox | then play shadows |
| 00:08.30 | anli_ | :) |
| 00:08.37 | anli_ | I only knew it could auto detect hard drives |
| 00:08.55 | lk | anli_, it may just consider it a hard drive. |
| 00:08.59 | anli_ | must check then |
| 00:09.04 | banginthisbox | cat would fly across floor |
| 00:09.28 | banginthisbox | hit the cabinets |
| 00:09.34 | banginthisbox | 2 funny |
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| 00:10.16 | anli_ | ah, found it under hard disk boot priority |
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| 00:10.45 | banginthisbox | told you that 30 min ago |
| 00:10.59 | anli_ | oh |
| 00:11.01 | zcat[1] | anli_: typically you leave it booting from hdd, but go into the hdd order setting and the "USB hdd" will be listed, swap them so it's the first drive |
| 00:11.11 | anli_ | tada! |
| 00:11.20 | banginthisbox | badabing |
| 00:11.23 | zcat[1] | anli_: oh, you found it already ;) |
| 00:11.37 | anli_ | now, debian will be this computers next pest |
| 00:11.41 | anli_ | :) |
| 00:12.22 | banginthisbox | carefull debian withdrawls are severe if you want to go back |
| 00:13.00 | banginthisbox | hell there is no going back |
| 00:13.14 | anli_ | I like the withdrawls thing |
| 00:13.20 | banginthisbox | ha! |
| 00:13.23 | anli_ | whats "back" |
| 00:13.38 | banginthisbox | back to whatever you ran b4 |
| 00:13.41 | lk | banginthisbox, I don't know... I think it was apt that made me dependent on debian. |
| 00:13.47 | anli_ | is that the other "forward"? |
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| 00:14.12 | banginthisbox | one way of lookin @ it |
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| 00:15.43 | banginthisbox | got banned from ubuntu |
| 00:15.50 | rascal999 | netbooting using nfs share. I change pxelinux.cfg/default file from append root=/dev/nfs netboot=nfs nfsroot=192.168.0.2:/mnt/fs initrd=initrd.img rw (note *rw*) to append root=/dev/nfs netboot=nfs nfsroot=192.168.0.2:/mnt/fs initrd=initrd.img and i get this error rpc.statd is not running but is required for remote locking -- Either use '-o nolock' to keep locks local, or start stad |
| 00:15.56 | banginthisbox | told them it wasnt ready |
| 00:16.38 | banginthisbox | they banned me for my opinion |
| 00:16.43 | banginthisbox | lmao! |
| 00:16.49 | anli_ | a switch is connected to the wall outlet with a patch cable and a computer with a cross over cable, right? |
| 00:16.54 | banginthisbox | some support channel eh? |
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| 00:17.20 | anli_ | haha |
| 00:17.21 | banginthisbox | dont think so |
| 00:17.26 | anli_ | sorry then |
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| 00:17.45 | banginthisbox | one is one way cable |
| 00:18.52 | banginthisbox | think you need both 2 way |
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| 00:19.12 | banginthisbox | unsure which is which look it up |
| 00:20.03 | banginthisbox | only used direct to other box |
| 00:20.13 | banginthisbox | no switch |
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| 00:22.09 | djura-san | im off. have a nice day/night and nice chat :) |
| 00:23.00 | lk | djura-san, gozaimasta. |
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| 00:29.04 | compaq | I can open my file browser |
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| 00:31.12 | compaq | I can NOT open my file browser, what is a good one to install alternatively |
| 00:31.43 | banginthisbox | theres a bug |
| 00:31.53 | sepult | dingo |
| 00:32.01 | sepult | gecko |
| 00:32.02 | banginthisbox | if you boot with a cd in drive |
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| 00:32.23 | banginthisbox | sometimes nautilus crashs |
| 00:32.44 | banginthisbox | very strange I know |
| 00:32.57 | sepult | it's nautilus |
| 00:33.05 | banginthisbox | took me quite awhile to find on forums |
| 00:33.07 | sepult | it has to dive deep from time to time |
| 00:33.08 | sepult | lol |
| 00:33.15 | banginthisbox | hehe |
| 00:34.39 | compaq | any fix? |
| 00:34.49 | banginthisbox | remove the cd reboot |
| 00:36.09 | banginthisbox | I dont even know if this bug is reported |
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| 00:38.16 | compaq | I put blank cd, and a usb sd card, I want to access the sdcard |
| 00:38.29 | banginthisbox | after you boot |
| 00:38.37 | compaq | yep, after |
| 00:38.53 | banginthisbox | mount the drives |
| 00:39.13 | Soul_Sample | hi! i'm considering switching from ubuntu to debian. i was wondering can anyone give me guidelines considering the following - i really like testing new software and i gladly sacrifice stability for it. so i figured i obviously want debian unstable? but just how unstable is it? :D can it boot whenever, can i expect crashes? or just an ocasional "this doesn't work now" situation? |
| 00:39.13 | banginthisbox | blank wont mount tho |
| 00:39.26 | compaq | it automount usb |
| 00:39.59 | banginthisbox | yup usb automounts |
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| 00:40.01 | compaq | Soul_Sample, Ubuntu is debian testing |
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| 00:40.29 | banginthisbox | yes stay ubuntu for edgey unstable |
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| 00:40.57 | Soul_Sample | i have to escape from ubuntu, the indicator-applet itself is enough to make me want to format my disk |
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| 00:41.30 | Soul_Sample | compaq: so, i should be okay with d testing? |
| 00:41.41 | banginthisbox | sure |
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| 00:41.49 | compaq | Soul_Sample, yeah pretty good, but not as good as Ubuntu |
| 00:42.07 | compaq | how does it go, stable testing unstable, or stable unstable testing? |
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| 00:42.22 | banginthisbox | good meaning unstable then sure |
| 00:42.28 | RainbowW | stable testing unstable |
| 00:42.29 | simonrvn | don't give advice about debian if you know nothing about it |
| 00:42.31 | jaggz | how can I setup a secure network between Win7 and Linux? |
| 00:42.40 | RainbowW | jaggz: define "secure" |
| 00:42.41 | Soul_Sample | oh well, i'll try the live cd first and see how much i like it, but at least i know now what to download. thanks everyone |
| 00:42.42 | jaggz | the purpose is for sharing a directory located on the linux box |
| 00:42.53 | jaggz | ssh-level? |
| 00:42.59 | compaq | personaly, I don't care about bleeding edge, I want cairo-dock, compiz, and they are available on debian just fine. The latest version is not noticeable to me |
| 00:43.12 | banginthisbox | who are you talking too simon? |
| 00:43.14 | RainbowW | jaggz: which machine is the server and which is the client? |
| 00:43.29 | jaggz | debian will be server |
| 00:43.52 | RainbowW | jaggz: one other obvious question. why do you want this? not over a local lan, i assume? |
| 00:44.03 | compaq | But for my laptop, I put Ubuntu cause they got the power management configured and I could fix it on debian. With Ubuntu sleep and Hibernate works, thats all. But Ubuntu is def more convenient for install non-free packages with the mouse, with debian you have to use the command line more |
| 00:44.09 | jaggz | right, it's remote |
| 00:44.25 | nsadmin | directory like files? or directory like DAP/LDAP? |
| 00:44.57 | RainbowW | jaggz: oh, yeah, you said "network." for what services? |
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| 00:45.20 | jaggz | I used sshfs to mount it on a linux box .. but I don't want to use samba for the windows one |
| 00:45.35 | RainbowW | jaggz: you don't have a choice. |
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| 00:46.03 | steampunkey | when using live-helper, if i write say "gnome" to LH_PACKAGES_LISTS, it'll pull X11 and all, correct? |
| 00:46.04 | RainbowW | jaggz: you'll need to run an ssh tunnel to cover smb, and bind samba to 127.0.0.1 so it's not listening on the public interface |
| 00:46.21 | jaggz | there's a commercial sftp client .. this red drive thing doesn't work |
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| 00:46.32 | banginthisbox | guess simon dont even know who hes talking too,much less what |
| 00:46.53 | RainbowW | jaggz: the unintended consequence may be that ALL traffic over smb from that win7 box may go through your tunnel. i don't know. |
| 00:47.14 | RainbowW | banginthisbox: actually, simon is one of the smarter people in the channel. beware who you insult. |
| 00:47.38 | banginthisbox | it wasnt me doing the insulting |
| 00:47.40 | jaggz | so... some ssh loopback on debian to samba port.. then .. I can do ssh tunnels from win7? |
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| 00:48.09 | banginthisbox | so many cocky arogant shits here |
| 00:48.13 | RainbowW | jaggz: not an ssh loopback on debian. you make samba listen to 127.0.0.1 instead of eth0. |
| 00:48.13 | banginthisbox | cya |
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| 00:48.20 | RainbowW | don't let the door hit ya, asshole. |
| 00:48.23 | jaggz | ok.. easy enough |
| 00:48.34 | RainbowW | jaggz: you can set up the tunnet on the win7 box with putty |
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| 00:48.49 | RainbowW | jaggz: you're on your own figuring out which ports tho |
| 00:49.12 | jaggz | oh right, putty can do that.. ok |
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| 00:49.29 | jaggz | and then.. with samba I do it to localhost here (or its ip) |
| 00:50.03 | RainbowW | jaggz: uh. you don't do anything to samba. from the win7 box you'd browse to 127.0.0.1 and hope for the best. |
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| 00:50.57 | compaq | which one runs faster, flashplugin-nonfree OR flashplayer-mozilla |
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| 00:51.29 | compaq | OR the free one? |
| 00:53.33 | jaggz | RainbowW, working on it.. just installed samba over yonder |
| 00:53.53 | RainbowW | jaggz: i've never done it with samba, tho i've considered it. i've only ever done it with vnc. |
| 00:54.18 | RainbowW | jaggz: i can't promise it will either a) work at all or b) not screw up networking on windows completely |
| 00:54.34 | RainbowW | jaggz: you may be unable to browse anything else from win7 except that samba server when the tunnel is up |
| 00:55.22 | RainbowW | jaggz: why is sftp not an option? copying off a net link will be horribly slow |
| 00:56.12 | RainbowW | jaggz: and windows' file copy routines are buggy at best (tho can be replaced) |
| 00:56.35 | jaggz | well I'm working on a project with a lot of files |
| 00:56.58 | jaggz | I have to move all over and access them.. html, graphics, etc. |
| 00:57.17 | RainbowW | you might be happier with something like svn |
| 00:57.29 | jaggz | basically I realized I work best when I'm able to work on my beta site, while it's live |
| 00:57.47 | jaggz | yeah, I was doing that.. working on my local system here, then I had to keep updating the files on the remote publically available beta server |
| 00:58.02 | anli_ | I agree with the svn advice |
| 00:58.18 | RainbowW | jaggz: what kind of pipe do you have between the two? what's your upload speed on your (presumably) dsl line? |
| 00:58.25 | jaggz | svn+ssh |
| 00:59.00 | jaggz | cable.. not sure of the u/l speed.. 1mb? it's 7mbps down |
| 00:59.13 | RainbowW | jaggz: when you're moving stuff, what's the real speed you get? 100k/sec? |
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| 00:59.45 | RainbowW | if you get that much you're going insanely fast. i get 30k/sec here on cable, and that's in the dead of night |
| 01:00.23 | RainbowW | my point is that working with files of any size will make you extremely unhappy. your saves will appear to lock up, and your temp files might also get stuck on the remote end, which is certainly NOT what you want |
| 01:00.28 | jaggz | testing right now.. ew, it's dropping fast.. I'm down to 20kb/s |
| 01:00.57 | jaggz | right.. I think you're right. especially since some of this will be large psd's and such.. and they're slow enough on my lan |
| 01:01.05 | RainbowW | yeah |
| 01:01.20 | jaggz | I'll just do it on my local beta server then update the remote end periodically as needed |
| 01:01.25 | jaggz | problem solved.. thanks :) |
| 01:01.41 | RainbowW | a better solution might be to develop a script that will batch your svn updates with a short command name |
| 01:02.11 | anli_ | its a good thing if every developer use their local system as a "beta server" |
| 01:02.34 | jaggz | good idea.. I was wondering because the project is actually multiple projects |
| 01:03.10 | jaggz | and I will inevitably update one part (code) while having some html left.. simple script will handle that fine |
| 01:03.35 | jaggz | tried getting into git off and on.. but my projects have been in svn for years .. |
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| 01:04.25 | RainbowW | yeah a script might be the way to go. if you make it a smart script that accepts parameters, you can trigger conditional updates with switches |
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| 01:04.48 | RainbowW | update a b c d ... updates four of your projects |
| 01:04.53 | RainbowW | update all updates all of them at once |
| 01:04.58 | RainbowW | so you can do microupdates if you prefer |
| 01:04.58 | Lantizia | Hey is there a single command I can use to restart multiple services at once? |
| 01:05.00 | RainbowW | whatever |
| 01:05.09 | Lantizia | like... service apache bind9 postfix restart :D |
| 01:05.10 | RainbowW | Lantizia: no. |
| 01:05.18 | Lantizia | but obviously debian has no such command :) |
| 01:05.27 | ham5 | init 6 ought to do it Lantizia |
| 01:05.36 | RainbowW | shutdown -r now? |
| 01:05.41 | Lantizia | ham5, a squeeze thing? |
| 01:06.18 | anli_ | Isnt init such a command? |
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| 01:06.20 | anli_ | Or telinit |
| 01:06.34 | ham5 | init is a command |
| 01:07.06 | Lantizia | so I can use the init command to restart stuff? |
| 01:07.21 | anli_ | You can change runlevel with it and configure which services that comes up on which runlevel |
| 01:07.27 | ham5 | oh yea youll restart stuff ;) |
| 01:07.33 | anli_ | But I am not sure if it is dynamic enough |
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| 01:08.07 | anli_ | I think writing own scripts is the shit |
| 01:08.15 | anli_ | shell scripting |
| 01:08.28 | anli_ | Will start whatever services you need to start |
| 01:08.29 | ham5 | whip one up for him then ;) |
| 01:08.35 | anli_ | :) |
| 01:09.03 | anli_ | ok, copy from the irc client: #!/bin/sh |
| 01:09.05 | anli_ | ;) |
| 01:09.13 | poincare101 | Hi everyone. I have a question about linux in general. Firstly, how can I find what file I need to write to in the /dev/ section if I want to write to a USB port? Secondly, how do I "write" to USB? |
| 01:09.17 | ham5 | pastebin? |
| 01:09.18 | poincare101 | (as in, in C) |
| 01:09.36 | abrotman | poincare101: you'd probably do better to ask ##c |
| 01:09.53 | ham5 | o programming |
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| 01:10.05 | ham5 | about to say it auto mounts drives for you |
| 01:10.07 | poincare101 | what about the first question |
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| 01:15.36 | xoz | poincare101: you can google "writing to a USB port" |
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| 01:16.02 | xoz | like http://www.lvr.com/usbfaq.htm |
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| 01:26.51 | ham5 | google? whats that?? |
| 01:28.00 | compaq | Hi, my flash player isn't working, any ideas, I installed flashplayer-mozilla, I am going to try swfdec-mozilla |
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| 01:30.26 | ham5 | ok. |
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| 01:31.21 | compaq | oh, I need backports |
| 01:31.38 | RainbowW | zomg OUCH. pics on cnn.com of a bull fight where ... the bull won. |
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| 01:32.00 | nsadmin | , info nut |
| 01:32.02 | ham5 | I think thats why they watch |
| 01:32.03 | abrotman | !tell compaq about bpo |
| 01:32.07 | judd | nut (admin, optional): The core system of the nut - Network UPS Tools. Version: 2.2.2-6.4; Size: 1101.7k; Installed: 2772k; Homepage: http://www.networkupstools.org |
| 01:32.18 | compaq | abrotman, thanks |
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| 01:32.38 | nsadmin | that's not the nut I want... |
| 01:32.47 | ham5 | thats what your mom said |
| 01:32.55 | RainbowW | ham5 my mom went to spain a number of years ago and went to a fight, and outside the ring the fighters had erected a statue to louis pasteur. |
| 01:33.08 | compaq | abrotman, I am running debian now, I started compiz, it was running, but it was really slow |
| 01:33.19 | abrotman | are you sure it's hardware accel ? |
| 01:33.30 | nsadmin | is http://nut.sourceforge.net/ packaged? |
| 01:33.49 | RainbowW | nsadmin: probably not. |
| 01:33.50 | nsadmin | if so, under what name? |
| 01:34.00 | nsadmin | ok, I'll just build it, np |
| 01:34.14 | RainbowW | nsadmin: you can try searching for nutrition |
| 01:34.24 | nsadmin | how do you come to that conclusion, bto? |
| 01:34.28 | nsadmin | btw |
| 01:34.32 | RainbowW | nsadmin: oh, there it is. nut-nutrition. |
| 01:34.35 | compaq | abrotman, not sure, how do I find out? |
| 01:34.37 | RainbowW | 13.9-1 in lenny |
| 01:34.39 | nsadmin | oh thanks! |
| 01:34.50 | nsadmin | excellent! |
| 01:34.53 | RainbowW | 15.5 in squeeze |
| 01:34.54 | abrotman | compaq: look in your Xorg.0.log or use glxinfo |
| 01:34.59 | RainbowW | ymmv |
| 01:36.23 | RainbowW | hmm. white kids suspended for throwing green index cards in the air after defeating a soccer team of mostly hispanic kids. why am i not surprised things like that happen? |
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| 01:41.26 | compaq | abrotman, what should I be looking for? |
| 01:41.58 | abrotman | compaq: the instructions at backports.org |
| 01:42.09 | compaq | intel(0): Using EXA for acceleration |
| 01:42.22 | compaq | abrotman, oh, let me see |
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| 01:42.36 | compaq | abrotman, for 3d accel on intel graphics video card? |
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| 01:42.54 | abrotman | compaq: glxinfo | grep -i direct |
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| 01:43.13 | compaq | yes |
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| 01:45.56 | compaq | abrotman, actually ever since I enable metacity, compiz --replace doesnt work |
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| 01:46.37 | ham5 | logs? no gl? |
| 01:46.47 | rfranknj | how do i set file associations that xdg-open will use? is there a gui? |
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| 02:19.37 | eikenberry | rfranknj. Not sure about which GUI program would work... but you can set it on the command line with xdg-mime. |
| 02:19.54 | eikenberry | Eg. for pdfs... "xdg-mime default epdfview application/pdf" |
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| 02:20.26 | eikenberry | Or you can edit them by hand. They are set in ~/.local/share/applications/defaults.list. |
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| 02:25.13 | rfranknj | eikenberry: i tried that but it wanted a .desktop file |
| 02:25.19 | rfranknj | i don't have .desktop files i dont think. i use fluxbox. |
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| 02:25.54 | abrotman | fluxbox should have a .desktop |
| 02:26.13 | eikenberry | rfranknj. You still have desktop files. The desktop files come with the application packages. |
| 02:26.24 | eikenberry | See /usr/share/applications/ |
| 02:26.31 | eikenberry | Should be full of .desktop files. |
| 02:27.15 | eikenberry | rfranknj. I use openbox and this works for me (tm). |
| 02:28.42 | jalalsfs | Hi |
| 02:28.56 | jalalsfs | I want install jdownloader, but I cant! |
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| 02:30.52 | ham5 | bummer man. |
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| 02:37.33 | jalalsfs | Hi |
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| 02:37.52 | jalalsfs | I want use aria2c |
| 02:38.07 | jalalsfs | But I want the new version |
| 02:38.19 | jalalsfs | What can I do? |
| 02:38.24 | ham5 | get the source and build it |
| 02:38.52 | jalalsfs | But I want use apt! |
| 02:38.59 | ham5 | checkinstall |
| 02:39.02 | jalalsfs | That's easy. |
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| 02:39.30 | jalalsfs | Do you mean apt-get checkinstall aria2 |
| 02:39.36 | Chymera | hi, do you guys know of any freely available cms for software development, like some Software configuration management thing? |
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| 02:41.57 | abrotman | jalalsfs: which version of debian are you using ? |
| 02:42.06 | jalalsfs | 5.0.4 |
| 02:42.32 | jalalsfs | lenny |
| 02:43.49 | rfranknj | eikenberry: how can i set the default app to open folders? |
| 02:43.53 | rfranknj | is there a mimetype for that? |
| 02:44.34 | eikenberry | rfranknj. Sorry, don't know that one. |
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| 02:44.42 | abrotman | jalalsfs: and what's wrong with the versoin in lenny? |
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| 02:45.17 | jalalsfs | I want some packages are new. |
| 02:45.27 | xoz | Chymera: explain more |
| 02:46.12 | jalalsfs | I want deluge-torrent, but the last version. |
| 02:46.18 | eikenberry | rfranknj. Looks like it should be possible though as 'gnome-open /etc/' does something. |
| 02:47.05 | eikenberry | So does exo-open (xfce's open app). Though they do different things, so it may be outside the xdg specs. |
| 02:47.27 | Chymera | xoz: I want to edit some text sheets with a couple of people, in the same way in which (I believe) foss software is created. Like with versioning, branching, "bug" reports and "feature" requests |
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| 02:47.41 | rfranknj | root@actium:/usr/share/applications# xdg-open /etc |
| 02:47.44 | rfranknj | Warning: unknown mime-type for "/etc" -- using "application/octet-stream" |
| 02:47.48 | rfranknj | there's a clue ;P |
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| 02:50.10 | laurus | Is there a program available for Debian that will allow me to enter text onto a PDF file and then print it out? |
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| 02:50.18 | laurus | (The PDF does not have fields on it) |
| 02:50.35 | eikenberry | rfranknj. "xdg-mime query filetype /etc" outputs "application/x-directory; charset=binary" |
| 02:51.04 | eikenberry | So that xdg-mime default command with "application/x-directory" as the mime type sounds like it would work. |
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| 02:54.31 | rfranknj | eikenberry: ah-- yep, thanks for the help |
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| 02:54.41 | eikenberry | rfranknj. np. |
| 02:54.55 | laurus | Apparently I have my answer: GIMP! |
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| 02:57.23 | Lantizia | If I put the MySQL password (for installing it via APT) in to debconf-set-selections... will it forget about it eventually? |
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| 03:00.40 | compaq | cool, with ubuntu install, sleep wasn't working, but it works now with debian. Along with compiz as I mentioned before, but I think there might be problems with it. It seems the screen is flickering |
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| 03:21.46 | RainbowW | i have a crontab in /etc/cron.d with multiple lines. is that permitted? or can a given file have only one line? |
| 03:23.31 | Tramp | RainbowW: what makes you think it's not? |
| 03:24.09 | RainbowW | after i added it, the system it drives stopped running completely |
| 03:24.27 | RainbowW | not merely the portion i added |
| 03:26.05 | Tramp | "the system it drives" - not sure what that's supposed to mean |
| 03:26.48 | RainbowW | the crontab runs cacti. i added a second script to generate additional graphs. now even the original graphs have stopped updating. |
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| 03:29.22 | Tramp | ok. not sure what you did or what your problem may be. To answer your initial questions: yes, no. |
| 03:29.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
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| 03:33.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | strang you should ask... at least my cron.d has multiple files created by debian packages that do use several lines |
| 03:33.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | although... I'm a bit amazed at the stuff that's accumulated there |
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| 03:38.09 | magyar | hi, looking for debian64 channel |
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| 03:39.37 | abrotman | magyar: for which architecture? |
| 03:39.59 | magyar | abrotman: amd64 |
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| 03:40.05 | ham5 | is their arch specific chans? |
| 03:40.39 | magyar | ham5: used to be |
| 03:40.51 | abrotman | magyar: for what reason? there's #debian-amd64 on OFTC |
| 03:41.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's #debian-ppc and #debian-kde ... :-P |
| 03:42.26 | magyar | abrotman: trying to install squeeze for the past few months on amd64 with softraid (/dev/md$) and grub, but always fails the bootloader installation |
| 03:42.49 | abrotman | magyar: did you try the i386 instlaler on the same hardware ? |
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| 03:43.14 | magyar | abrotman: i am working from it |
| 03:43.14 | abrotman | magyar: and are you using the daily netinst ? |
| 03:43.28 | magyar | yeap the daily from Friday |
| 03:43.37 | magyar | hmm Thursday |
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| 03:45.35 | magyar | abrotman: similar to this post >> http://us.generation-nt.com/bug-575429-grub-pc-filesystem-containing-boot-grub-does-not-support-uuids-help-196868371.html |
| 03:46.16 | abrotman | magyar: you'd have to ask them .. |
| 03:46.29 | magyar | k thanks |
| 03:46.40 | abrotman | magyar: if it works on i386 and not on amd64, you'd have more luck asking them |
| 03:47.23 | magyar | abrotman: although it could be the grub2 loader also |
| 03:47.36 | magyar | well its a toss-up for now |
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| 03:52.08 | RainbowW | i have some new snmp definitions in my snmpd.conf ... how can i tell what the correct oid is for them? |
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| 04:01.18 | smacnay | anyone know of an app or a template for an app to create multiple choice tests? |
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| 04:04.56 | Rusty1 | smacnay: i seem to remember google docs having somesuch, FWIW |
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| 04:11.57 | smacnay | thanks |
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| 04:13.50 | compaq | any recommendation for a manual? one that has the lspci, lsmod, grep, commands in there? |
| 04:14.17 | ham5 | ugh.. man ? |
| 04:14.24 | ham5 | man lspci man lsmod man grep |
| 04:15.35 | compaq | ham5, yeah I know, but what about the commands I never heard of. Like suppose I never came to this channel, and no one ever mentioned those commands to me, how would I come to know of them? |
| 04:16.08 | ham5 | because........ your having problems and um someones helping your debug? |
| 04:16.46 | ham5 | if you dont know what grep is... well.... |
| 04:16.51 | ham5 | :\ |
| 04:17.11 | RainbowW | if you don't know what grep is, go back to windows. |
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| 04:17.38 | ham5 | something like that :) |
| 04:17.41 | wols_ | !refcard |
| 04:17.41 | dpkg | A short reference of Debian commands - quite useful for someone new to Debian - can be found at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/refcard/ and packaged for Debian as debian-refcard. See also <grounding>, <vim refcard>. |
| 04:17.45 | compaq | well, there is the book "linux in a nutshell" its got 1000's of commands, just a whole bunch of man pages |
| 04:18.02 | compaq | thx wols |
| 04:18.26 | noe_ | hi, i'm looking for the package linux-headers-2.6.32-trunk-amd64 (my current kernel version), but i can't found it anywhere... anyone knows something about? |
| 04:18.43 | RainbowW | probably linux-kernel-headers |
| 04:19.10 | wols_ | compaq: http://tldp.org/guides.html |
| 04:19.30 | compaq | my screen flickers every minute or two. I think it is compiz. If I leave compiz on and let my screen flicker like this, do you think it will cause eventual hardware damage? |
| 04:19.32 | wols_ | noe_: install a proper, recent, kernel. the trunk one is not only ancient but awful too |
| 04:20.15 | wols_ | noe_: and when running teting and unstable you are supposed to deal with things like this on your own |
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| 04:21.50 | noe_ | wols_: i know i can install a kernel by myself, but also i try to keep the debian-package consistency, testing hasn't upgraded my kernel to a new one |
| 04:22.06 | RainbowW | noe_: then maybe you should do it manually. |
| 04:22.14 | craigevil | testing has 2.6.32-3 |
| 04:23.01 | ham5 | vanilla it up |
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| 04:24.58 | noe_ | craigevil: thnx, i'll install that |
| 04:28.48 | noe_ | btw: apt-cache show linux-image-2.6-amd64, says: Depends: linux-image-2.6.32-trunk-amd64 |
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| 04:32.37 | aburch | noe_: The version currently in testing does not. |
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| 04:33.13 | Bop | any italian in here ? |
| 04:33.51 | craigevil | noe_: linux-image-2.6.32-3-amd64 |
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| 05:23.02 | MrJK | helooooooooooooooooo |
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| 05:24.02 | ham5 | hello to France |
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| 05:25.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh no, not france |
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| 05:37.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | hey, aptitude has build-dep |
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| 05:37.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | and I kept thinking only apt-get has that |
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| 05:52.04 | simonrvn | still doesn't support source though |
| 05:53.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | and it's doing funny stuff |
| 05:53.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | wonder if I forgot to switch off recommends on the laptop |
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| 06:00.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | the gods alone probably know why it would pull in evolution-data-server-dbg on what I'm doing right now |
| 06:00.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | I don't even *use* evolution |
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| 06:01.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | omniscient gods, that is |
| 06:02.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | they probably would prefer not to know, but cannot help it, though, come to think of it |
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| 06:04.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | gah, all that stuff was not part of the proposed solution |
| 06:04.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | hell |
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| 06:06.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | waaah, hurts to watch this... radeontool?! (don'T have radion) nautilus-cd-burner?! |
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| 06:07.39 | liable | watches with a bemused grin |
| 06:08.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | I'll hold you liable! |
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| 06:08.55 | liable | i could do with being held, thanks! :) |
| 06:09.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | note the lack of a comma there |
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| 06:13.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | you're not in #d-ot, so you miss half of my ramblings anyway |
| 06:13.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | texlive-humanities-doc! |
| 06:13.41 | liable | probably funnier only seeing half anyway :P |
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| 06:14.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, I'm rambling on different things there that would be offtopic here |
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| 06:16.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's like a blog... I write it and some people come along and read it for reasons they could not explain if their life depended on it |
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| 06:18.31 | liable | heh |
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| 06:27.55 | thinkpadT42 | my thinkpad t42 has a in-built atheros 5413a wireless interface set regdomian to 0x64,and work on channel 1 to 11,how can I can enable the channel 13,i'm in japan now |
| 06:28.13 | thinkpadT42 | help |
| 06:28.22 | liable | using madwifi or ath5k? |
| 06:28.29 | thinkpadT42 | ath5k.. |
| 06:28.54 | thinkpadT42 | why regdomain always be overrided by eeprom....I need you help me enable cf80211 param override on eeprom |
| 06:28.54 | thinkpadT42 | 13:50thinkpadT42however you set iw,crda,and other module paras,the first option is eeprom,damn |
| 06:29.38 | liable | check out linuxwireless.org for cf80211 tips |
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| 06:29.50 | thinkpadT42 | i find its atheros's intention .... |
| 06:29.51 | thinkpadT42 | 14:01thinkpadT42because my t42 was for usa market... |
| 06:29.58 | thinkpadT42 | not tips...yet |
| 06:30.17 | thinkpadT42 | I hope someone can give the sourcecode even not consider eeprom ... |
| 06:30.47 | thinkpadT42 | I know if dev team give out the sourcecodes even don't consider eeprom,vendor would even suit them and disobeyed agreement between them and atheros |
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| 06:31.33 | vallhalla | hello all |
| 06:31.37 | thinkpadT42 | hi |
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| 06:44.41 | yakamo | anyone recommend a good debian 5 vps company |
| 06:46.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | xserver-xephyr! |
| 06:46.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | liable, and it's still at it! |
| 06:47.29 | lk | yakamo, rackspace cloud. Nothing beats it. |
| 06:48.40 | liable | its? |
| 06:48.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | it is |
| 06:49.00 | liable | it puts the lotion on its skin? |
| 06:49.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | still installing crap |
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| 06:50.35 | lk | Any suggestions for smoother 1080p x264 playback than I'm able to get from mplayer? I'm on a 2.2 GHz a64 x2 w/ 2 GB RAM right now. I'm not too familiar with the CLI, but I've tried some -vo options (gl, gl2), as well as -ni and -framedrop. I'm also using the -xy option, although I'm not sure that applies when I fullscreen it (1680x1050). A few moments will play fine, and then either audio will get out of sync or the video slows down. |
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| 06:51.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | liable, libobject-realize-later-perl ! |
| 06:52.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps this is some attempt at communication, really |
| 06:53.40 | liable | hah, poor CutMeOwnThroat is going quietly insane :) |
| 06:53.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | lk, -autosync for the sync... -cache XXX |
| 06:53.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | liable, not quietly! |
| 06:53.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | I resent that remark |
| 06:54.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | or resemble, as dpkg would say |
| 06:54.14 | yakamo | lk: thanks that looks pretty good so far |
| 06:55.01 | Arrowmaster | lk: what gfx card do you have? |
| 06:55.43 | llanero | CutMeOwnThroat: what |
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| 06:56.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | what, what |
| 06:56.33 | thinkpadT42 | my thinkpad t42 has a in-built atheros 5413a wireless interface set regdomian to 0x64,and work on channel 1 to 11,how can I can enable the channel 13,i'm in japan now |
| 06:56.33 | thinkpadT42 | thinkpadT42what does 0x64 mean? |
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| 06:59.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | -autosync 1000 or so to be precise |
| 07:00.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | lk, but actually you shouldn't have problems with this type of hardware.. perhaps some wrong driver for the graphics card... |
| 07:00.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | he's not reacting... probably crossposted this |
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| 07:01.05 | lk | CutMeOwnThroat, I tried setting -autosync to 30 and -cache to 8192... seemed to be working okay. |
| 07:01.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | is that from a cd drive? |
| 07:01.36 | lk | No, hard drive. |
| 07:01.44 | umarzuki | hi, how do i change my web browser from using openjdk to sun-java6-jre ? |
| 07:01.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | install the package... |
| 07:02.18 | umarzuki | i already install sun-java6-jre |
| 07:02.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | don't the two conflict? |
| 07:02.34 | valdyn | nah |
| 07:03.09 | lk | valdyn, he'll probably have to set a java path for the browser, too, right? |
| 07:03.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, wrong package |
| 07:03.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | !java plugin |
| 07:03.15 | dpkg | For the Java web browser plugin, install either the free icedtea-gcjwebplugin (Lenny) or icedtea6-plugin (Squeeze) package, or the <non-free> sun-java6-plugin package. For other Java programs, you can install the default-jre package to get a Java runtime; use "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine" to see other implementations. The best options are probably openjdk-6-jre or sun-java6-jre (non-free). See also <java alternatives>. |
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| 07:03.35 | valdyn | umarzuki: which java plugin package is installed though? |
| 07:03.47 | umarzuki | sun-java6-jre |
| 07:03.54 | valdyn | umarzuki: thats not the plugin |
| 07:03.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | umarzuki, read the factoid above |
| 07:04.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | from dpkg |
| 07:04.16 | lk | CutMeOwnThroat, does -autosync need to be 1000? Is it the higher is better or did you suggest that just to make sure it really kicked in? |
| 07:04.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | lk, no... that was just a value that worked for me when 1 or 30 didn'T |
| 07:04.52 | lk | Ah, I see. |
| 07:05.02 | lk | I think it may have been the cache that did it. |
| 07:05.22 | lk | "x264_L4.1 @ 9826 Kbps", so the cache should be bigger than that, I'm guessing. |
| 07:05.25 | umarzuki | i need the runtime environment for java apps and also the plugin to use the one from non-free |
| 07:05.40 | umarzuki | sun-jdk-* |
| 07:05.50 | umarzuki | sun-java* |
| 07:06.00 | valdyn | lk: you need *very* good hardware to play back 1080p reliably *or* an nvidia card with vdpau support and mplayer -vo vdpau |
| 07:06.27 | Arrowmaster | lk: try -lavdopts skiploopfilter=all |
| 07:06.57 | valdyn | lk: your cpu is by far not fast enough for the higher bitrate and higher "level" h.264 movies |
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| 07:07.49 | umarzuki | update-java-alternatives output http://pastebin.com/NP8ZgFFq |
| 07:07.53 | valdyn | lk: where the codec settings the creator of that movie make much more of a difference than the bitrate |
| 07:07.55 | lk | That's what I suspected. I'll try -vo vdpau. |
| 07:08.18 | lk | Oh wait. That won't matter. |
| 07:08.28 | Arrowmaster | you never said what video card you have |
| 07:08.28 | lk | This system doesn't have a compatible card, I forgot. |
| 07:08.38 | lk | nvidia 7100GS, Arrowmaster. |
| 07:08.50 | valdyn | lk: that one is to old afaik |
| 07:08.53 | Arrowmaster | what -vo are you using right now? |
| 07:08.59 | valdyn | lk: but im not sure, give it a shot... |
| 07:09.38 | valdyn | lk: you need to have the vdpau libraries installed anyway and you need a driver newer than the one shipping with lenny |
| 07:09.49 | valdyn | lk: also an mplayer newer than lenny |
| 07:09.49 | lk | Arrowmaster, I tried gl and gl2, but they didn't help much, so on this try I'm not specifying anything. |
| 07:10.00 | valdyn | lk: -vo xv is fastest |
| 07:10.06 | Arrowmaster | yeah i was about to say that |
| 07:10.09 | valdyn | lk: ( except for -vo vdpau ) |
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| 07:10.18 | Arrowmaster | -vo vdpau,xv, |
| 07:10.53 | valdyn | lk: but vdpau only makes sense with -vc ffh264vdpau and only if you have the support hardware and software wise |
| 07:11.20 | valdyn | ( else its just a new name for xv ) |
| 07:11.25 | lk | I see. I'm trying xv right now. There's just one h264 codec, right? ffh264? |
| 07:11.37 | lk | It seems to work the same whether I specify a -vc or not. |
| 07:11.46 | valdyn | lk: no, theres a 2nd one for the nvidia hw acceleration |
| 07:11.54 | thinkpadT42 | who is on gentoo?I need help |
| 07:12.02 | valdyn | thinkpadT42: wrong channel |
| 07:12.05 | thinkpadT42 | building a driver for me |
| 07:12.20 | thinkpadT42 | need patch sourcecodes |
| 07:12.26 | thinkpadT42 | heeeeeeeeeeelp |
| 07:12.38 | Arrowmaster | lk did that -lavdopts skiploopfilter=all have any effect? |
| 07:12.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | what part of "wrong channel" did you not understand? |
| 07:13.12 | thinkpadT42 | ok, |
| 07:13.13 | lk | Arrowmaster, I haven't tried that one yet... xv is running okay for the minute I tried it with. |
| 07:13.28 | thinkpadT42 | here to say,how can i use command of diff? |
| 07:13.39 | thinkpadT42 | I need compare source codes! |
| 07:13.55 | nevyn | thinkpadT42: diff -u file1 file2 |
| 07:13.56 | thinkpadT42 | between debian and gentoo |
| 07:14.08 | thinkpadT42 | of wireless driver of ath5k |
| 07:14.20 | thinkpadT42 | need other options? |
| 07:14.25 | valdyn | thinkpadT42: read the manpage |
| 07:14.34 | thinkpadT42 | too long to read |
| 07:14.37 | thinkpadT42 | lol |
| 07:14.43 | valdyn | thinkpadT42: to lazy to help you |
| 07:14.57 | thinkpadT42 | a :p |
| 07:15.58 | Arrowmaster | lk: well if -vo xv is working fine good, that -lavdopts skiploopfilter=all option can have negative impact on video quality so dont use it if you dont need it |
| 07:16.06 | thinkpadT42 | channel gentoo has no guys active |
| 07:16.08 | thinkpadT42 | sigh |
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| 07:16.30 | thinkpadT42 | diff,how to use ... |
| 07:16.35 | thinkpadT42 | I failed |
| 07:17.13 | thinkpadT42 | can anyone help teach me how to read patch? |
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| 07:17.24 | lk | Arrowmaster, got it. Yeah, it looks like xv is working quite well. Thank you very much =) |
| 07:17.30 | lk | valdyn, you too. |
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| 07:18.34 | thinkpadT42 | there are two many mum and ++ and other signs in patch code... |
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| 07:18.44 | thinkpadT42 | heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeelp |
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| 07:19.34 | peterrooney | thinkpadT42: without the ++ and -- and such, it's meaningless. |
| 07:19.44 | thinkpadT42 | only 50 lines,can I add one by one to debian source code |
| 07:19.47 | thinkpadT42 | ? |
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| 07:20.45 | thinkpadT42 | there is no patch for debian ... |
| 07:20.50 | thinkpadT42 | sigh |
| 07:20.59 | thinkpadT42 | I have to make it myself |
| 07:21.03 | thinkpadT42 | too bad |
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| 07:27.54 | lk | Arrowmaster, looks like I spoke too soon. Any thoughts on these errors? http://lk.pastebin.com/ZFk5aKCW They appear after a few minutes of playback. |
| 07:28.35 | Arrowmaster | i have never seen that before |
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| 07:38.01 | lk | Arrowmaster, perhaps I have very inadequate system resources =) If I hit the left arrow to skip back a bit, playback sort of goes back to normal. |
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| 08:20.33 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 08:20.33 | dpkg | <sussudio> !irritate ravenqr <dpkg> ravenqr: HELP ME!!! who uses cable hello? <ravenqr> dpkg: what you need bro? <dpkg> bugger all, i dunno, ravenqr <ravenqr> i have cable |
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| 08:24.12 | Neo|Desktop | hey guys |
| 08:24.18 | Neo|Desktop | i have a quick question |
| 08:24.45 | Neo|Desktop | i need to mount a devfs for a jail'd ssh login i'm mkaing |
| 08:25.14 | Neo|Desktop | i am aware that debian has moved to udev, so i'm not too sure how to do this |
| 08:26.04 | liable | just mount it with mount |
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| 08:26.55 | Neo|Desktop | liable: so would that be for instance `mount -t devfs /jail/dev` |
| 08:27.02 | nsadmin | you should be able to mount them (proc, devfs, possibly others) again (i.e., they will then be on two mount points) |
| 08:27.08 | Worf | if you can use mount --bind you propably don't eaven need to care about what fs it is |
| 08:27.23 | Neo|Desktop | mmm |
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| 08:41.40 | deed02392 | how can i check if epolling is enabled on my VPS? |
| 08:41.45 | deed02392 | running debian 5.0 lenny |
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| 08:42.47 | sts | hello folks. whats the best way to manage a small ca? is there a package with scripts which i could use for that purpose? |
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| 08:50.06 | Arrowmaster | Klan: my first guess is that networkmanager isnt showing any connected networks |
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| 08:51.27 | Klan | ok |
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| 08:51.38 | Arrowmaster | Klan: start it with pidgin -f or edit /etc/NetworkManager/nm-system-settings.conf to have managed=true under [ifupdown] |
| 08:51.39 | Klan | i try to remove networkmanager |
| 08:51.54 | Klan | ok |
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| 09:32.12 | MrWax | I've got a new ip address assigned to my dedicated server, now i am trying to add it in the /etc/network/interfaces file, does this look good: http://privatepaste.com/9c5d9c000d |
| 09:32.25 | automatiK | I am adding a range of ip's but when I restart the network I am getting some errors 'Failed to bring up eth0' |
| 09:32.30 | automatiK | http://pastebin.com/mu0bkArQ |
| 09:32.48 | automatiK | wow lol.. |
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| 09:34.13 | MrWax | how can I now test if the address is working? |
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| 09:35.26 | automatiK | ping it? |
| 09:35.34 | lk | automatiK, he's gone =) |
| 09:36.05 | lk | Oh, automatiK, my bad, I thought you were talking to wax. Let me see. |
| 09:36.21 | automatiK | nah I lol'd because we were doing the same thing |
| 09:36.37 | lk | automatiK, can you paste what's in /etc/network/interfaces like he did? |
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| 09:44.09 | rare1980_ | hi all how can i install |
| 09:44.11 | rare1980_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:44.11 | rare1980_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:44.11 | rare1980_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:44.13 | rare1980_ | on debian |
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| 09:44.31 | SandWolf_0x37 | apt-get install openssl pam lzo |
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| 09:44.34 | rare1980_ | i have tried it with apt-get install packge-name |
| 09:44.38 | Bop | rare1980_, aptitude search name |
| 09:44.44 | liable | installed by default likely |
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| 09:44.56 | liable | pam and openssl would be |
| 09:45.08 | rare1980_ | its not working |
| 09:45.09 | rare1980_ | apt-get install openssl pam lzo |
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| 09:45.19 | rare1980_ | no package found |
| 09:45.27 | pallgone | is it hard to get flash working on x86_64? (squeeze). I am going to reinstall this machine and I wonder if should try |
| 09:45.29 | Bop | rare1980_, search for proper package name, then run install |
| 09:45.58 | rare1980_ | Bop: how can i search packege name please let me the command |
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| 09:46.09 | Bop | rare1980_, ive told few lines before |
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| 09:46.32 | rare1980_ | ooh |
| 09:46.33 | rare1980_ | thanks |
| 09:46.36 | rare1980_ | let me try |
| 09:46.46 | liable | !tell rare1980_ about grounding |
| 09:46.50 | djura-san | o/ |
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| 09:48.15 | lk | pallgone, no, it's not. |
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| 09:49.09 | rare1980_ | bop: i have tried this cmnd aptitude search lzo |
| 09:49.15 | rare1980_ | and results shows up are |
| 09:49.25 | rare1980_ | i libcompress-lzo-perl - Perl bindings for LZO realtime compression |
| 09:49.26 | rare1980_ | i liblzo-dev - data compression library (old version) (de |
| 09:49.26 | rare1980_ | i liblzo1 - data compression library (old version) |
| 09:49.26 | rare1980_ | i liblzo2-2 - data compression library |
| 09:49.26 | rare1980_ | p liblzo2-dev - data compression library (development file |
| 09:49.26 | rare1980_ | i lzop - fast compression program |
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| 09:49.31 | Bop | lol :) |
| 09:49.34 | SandWolf_0x37 | lol |
| 09:49.35 | liable | tard |
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| 09:49.58 | rare1980_ | ops i was kicked out :S |
| 09:50.07 | Bop | orly ? i wonder why |
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| 09:50.29 | rare1980_ | i don't knw |
| 09:50.35 | rare1980_ | any how |
| 09:50.42 | Klan | for flooding i gues |
| 09:50.42 | Klan | :D |
| 09:50.43 | rare1980_ | did u get my last msgs |
| 09:50.47 | rare1980_ | may be |
| 09:50.48 | rare1980_ | :) |
| 09:50.57 | aburch | rare1980_: rare1980_ was kicked from #debian by debhelper [use the paster bot or #flood] |
| 09:51.04 | rare1980_ | oo ok |
| 09:51.09 | Bop | dont flood , use pastebin to post multi-lines |
| 09:51.13 | rare1980_ | ooh ok |
| 09:51.25 | rare1980_ | let me use pastebin |
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| 09:52.34 | rare1980_ | plz can u check this |
| 09:52.34 | rare1980_ | http://pastebin.com/xH76HzYV |
| 09:52.55 | Bop | yes |
| 09:52.56 | Bop | what now |
| 09:53.32 | rare1980_ | does it mean lzo is installed? |
| 09:53.47 | Bop | yes , almost all packages installed |
| 09:54.04 | rare1980_ | but when i tried to install open vpn |
| 09:54.13 | rare1980_ | is says lzo is missing |
| 09:54.16 | rare1980_ | need to isntall |
| 09:54.18 | rare1980_ | :S |
| 09:54.45 | Bop | maybe u need the missing one , the dev files |
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| 09:55.12 | pallgone | rare1980_: how did you try to install openvpn? |
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| 09:55.16 | rare1980_ | how can i install that dev file..... is it..... apt-get install lzo-dev |
| 09:55.16 | rare1980_ | ? |
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| 09:55.37 | Klan | liblzo-dev |
| 09:55.41 | Bop | liblzo2-dev is the name of the package |
| 09:55.52 | pallgone | rare1980_: does 'aptitude install openvpn' also not work? |
| 09:55.54 | rare1980_ | plz let me try |
| 09:56.03 | rare1980_ | let me try this as well |
| 09:56.20 | pallgone | why should openvpn need -dev packages anyway? |
| 09:56.37 | rare1980_ | i don't know :) |
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| 09:56.53 | Bop | yeah , it shouldnt |
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| 09:58.54 | wols_ | !tell rare1980_ about bat |
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| 09:59.32 | wols_ | pallgone: flash has a amd64 version now IIRC |
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| 09:59.57 | pallgone | wols_: oh yeah, last time I tried that it would crash instantly :) |
| 10:00.10 | eshat | wols_: what is the actual dev version of flash for amd64 ? |
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| 10:00.22 | wols_ | eshat: dev version? |
| 10:00.26 | eshat | yes |
| 10:00.28 | rare1980_ | one more question.. please could you tell me which one is the best vpn? |
| 10:00.34 | wols_ | !best |
| 10:00.34 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 10:00.37 | eshat | rare1980_: openVPN |
| 10:00.43 | wols_ | eshat: what is a dev version in the flash context? |
| 10:00.50 | eshat | rare1980_: I set that up for our university and it works great |
| 10:00.53 | liable | its closed source |
| 10:00.57 | rare1980_ | humm good |
| 10:01.03 | eshat | wols_: I mean the actual version relesed by adobe |
| 10:01.11 | rare1980_ | do you have easy guide to set it up... |
| 10:01.17 | wols_ | eshat: you ask this in #debian why? how about asking adobe? |
| 10:01.19 | rare1980_ | for server and client |
| 10:01.21 | eshat | rare1980_: what exactly is your plan ? Setting up a openVPN SErver ? |
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| 10:01.42 | eshat | wols_: i think you get me wrong, well I ll just check myself |
| 10:01.47 | rare1980_ | on my ISP port 5060 is blocked.. |
| 10:02.03 | wols_ | ,versions flashplayer-mozilla |
| 10:02.04 | judd | flashplayer-mozilla -- etch-multimedia: 1:9.0.152.0-0.0; lenny-multimedia/non-free: 1:10.0.45.2-0.0; sid-multimedia/non-free: 1:10.0.45.2-0.0; squeeze-multimedia/non-free: 1:10.0.45.2-0.0 |
| 10:02.05 | liable | so make it use one thats not.. |
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| 10:02.10 | rare1980_ | thats why |
| 10:02.10 | liable | or get a better isp |
| 10:02.31 | wols_ | since when does openvpn use port 5060 by default? |
| 10:02.44 | eshat | wols_: Version Release Candidate 5, Date May 20, 2010 <- this is what I wanted to know |
| 10:02.51 | rare1980_ | i will configure openvpn on my server and |
| 10:03.10 | rare1980_ | iwill contect openvpn client and i will by pass port 5060 over |
| 10:03.11 | rare1980_ | vpn |
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| 10:03.43 | rare1980_ | brb gona eat some thing... feeling hungry |
| 10:03.44 | eshat | rare1980_: then use OpenVPN |
| 10:03.44 | rare1980_ | :) |
| 10:03.54 | wols_ | no openvpn version uses port 5060 ever unless you explicitly tell it to use this port. by default, it uses port 1194 |
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| 10:04.47 | eshat | I am always wondering why people want to configure complicated things, when they do not even know how aptitude works :D |
| 10:08.01 | eshat | I can't find a 64bit version for flash on http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer10.html |
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| 10:08.23 | wols_ | eshat: and we care about this why? |
| 10:08.50 | wikiae | can anyone help me? i can't open java applet like this? http://hnode.tripod.com , any idea? |
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| 10:09.29 | AimHere | eshat, there ought to be a 64-bit alpha version somewhere on that site, but that's not debian. Debian has gnash, which is compiled for <your architecture here> |
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| 10:10.25 | wols_ | wikiae: is the flash plugin for your server installed? |
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| 10:10.39 | wols_ | wikiae: sorry, the java plugin of course |
| 10:10.40 | wikiae | wols_: yes, but i can't open. can you? |
| 10:11.10 | wikiae | yes, i can |
| 10:11.21 | wikiae | i have |
| 10:11.29 | wols_ | wikiae: do you have a debian related question? |
| 10:11.59 | wikiae | i am undr debian |
| 10:12.11 | wols_ | that's not what I asked |
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| 10:13.28 | eshat | wols_: if you do not want to help people you shouldn't try to tell them that they won't get help here |
| 10:13.46 | eshat | maybe someone else is willing to help with problems that are not too related to debian |
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| 10:14.17 | wols_ | then if that someone wants to help with non debian related things, he should go to the proper place to help, just like the one asking |
| 10:14.38 | wols_ | eshat: this is a DEBIAN channel. not an adobe one, not a "is this website up" one, etc. do you understand that? |
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| 10:15.28 | eshat | wols_: as I understood his java is not working properly, so installing and configuring java on debian can be discussed here, can it not ? |
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| 10:15.54 | wols_ | eshat: and this is why I asked him if he has installed the java plugin |
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| 10:16.27 | eshat | wikiae: check if you have more than one java jre installed by executing "dpkg -l | grep jre" |
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| 10:17.10 | eshat | wikiae:you should then uninstall one (in my experience sun java works best) or update-alternatives |
| 10:17.41 | wikiae | eshat: thanks, i'll check it |
| 10:17.59 | eshat | wikiae: having openjdk and sun-java6 installed, caused problems |
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| 10:21.49 | rare1980_ | yes back.. |
| 10:22.12 | rare1980_ | eshat: do u have any easy installtion guide to install open vpn server |
| 10:22.48 | eshat | rare1980_: I am sorry but configuring openvpn isn't just a command line |
| 10:22.49 | automatiK | k im back |
| 10:23.03 | automatiK | lk, still around? |
| 10:23.23 | eshat | rare1980_: there is a good offizial openvpn documentation |
| 10:23.24 | rare1980_ | humm then how is it? |
| 10:23.41 | rare1980_ | humm ok let me check |
| 10:23.43 | automatiK | http://pastebin.com/9fUvtrvv |
| 10:23.49 | wols_ | rare1980_: http://www.openvpn.net/index.php/open-source/documentation/howto.html but I dunno if this is easy enough for you. as eshat said, setting up a VPN is not easy |
| 10:23.50 | automatiK | seems my ip range isnt working |
| 10:24.04 | eshat | rare1980_: it took me a whole weekend to configure it with a coleg |
| 10:24.16 | rare1980_ | oppppps |
| 10:24.31 | rare1980_ | is it too hard to configure |
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| 10:24.39 | rare1980_ | :( |
| 10:25.08 | wols_ | automatiK: you want to get up eth0 and eth0:1 automatically but there is no eth0:1 definde in your interfaces, but you have a eth:10 |
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| 10:25.26 | eshat | rare1980_: "hard" is relative, but if you have to ask, how to install things, then maybe you are not experienced enough |
| 10:25.28 | anli_ | Aha, this computer has came into the mode of not wanting to boot on anything except the hard disk |
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| 10:26.01 | automatiK | oops that was supposed to be 0:1 |
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| 10:27.08 | wols_ | automatiK: what is the point of two gateway lines btw? |
| 10:27.33 | anli_ | wonder if I have an old bios if there is a "boot to os/2" option |
| 10:27.34 | automatiK | umm only way I knew how to bind extra ips |
| 10:27.46 | automatiK | for a gameserver box |
| 10:28.12 | wols_ | automatiK: address binds extra IP.why two default gateway settings? |
| 10:28.22 | wols_ | anli_: anything debian related we can help you with? |
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| 10:28.49 | automatiK | so I can leave out the gateway and netmask settings? |
| 10:28.53 | automatiK | and just use address |
| 10:28.57 | anli_ | wols_: yeah, I want to install debian :) |
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| 10:29.40 | wols_ | anli_: we cannot help you with your bios settings. that's something for your mainboard manufacturer or such |
| 10:30.15 | wols_ | anli_: you have other choices however: you can take out the harddisk on this PC, install debian on on some other PC and then put the harddisk back for example |
| 10:30.44 | wols_ | anli_: if there already is a OS installed on the harddisk it might be used to install debian with the help of that OS too |
| 10:31.05 | wols_ | automatiK: no you can't. man interfaces |
| 10:31.30 | automatiK | wols_ yea thats where im lost with this network stuff. |
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| 10:32.26 | wols_ | automatiK: inside man interfaces, scroll down to the part that reads "The static method" |
| 10:32.35 | automatiK | will do |
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| 10:49.42 | the_file | anyboyd know of a good linux cd burning program that can burn bootable windows xp?. |
| 10:50.00 | lk | automatiK, yes. |
| 10:50.04 | wols_ | the_file: all of them |
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| 10:50.36 | wols_ | the_file: a bootable CD file is a simply mode1 ISO like any other. no special things needed |
| 10:50.40 | the_file | wols: thanks, Im on puppy linux right know, and don't know of a software |
| 10:50.50 | wols_ | the_file: and we don't support puppy |
| 10:50.52 | wols_ | !puppy |
| 10:50.56 | the_file | =(( |
| 10:51.07 | wols_ | !puppylinux |
| 10:51.07 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, puppy linux is a GNU/Linux mini-distribution. http://www.pupplylinux.com/ #puppylinux on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 10:51.57 | jelly-home | the_file: if you already have an .iso image, _any_ burning app will do. cdrecord / wodim are probably the simplest tools to do it |
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| 10:52.32 | the_file | actualloy, I have magic iso running under whine, but it doesen't see any cd drive =( |
| 10:52.53 | lk | the_file, what's wrong with a linux burning app? |
| 10:53.19 | the_file | well, |
| 10:53.22 | the_file | Im kinda new |
| 10:53.35 | lk | the_file, use xcdroast then. |
| 10:53.39 | jelly-home | !cd-burning |
| 10:53.40 | dpkg | [cd-burning] a burned cd |
| 10:53.45 | jelly-home | dpkg: srsly |
| 10:53.45 | dpkg | bugger all, i dunno, jelly-home |
| 10:54.17 | lk | the_file, http://www.xcdroast.org/manual/create.html#usingimage |
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| 10:54.43 | fbh | I usually use real fire for burning windows |
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| 10:55.15 | rare1980_ | does any one knows that is openvpn is free or i have ti buy license? |
| 10:55.21 | fbh | free |
| 10:55.34 | rare1980_ | http://openvpn.net/index.php/access-server/videos.html |
| 10:55.43 | rare1980_ | i m watching this 1st vedio ...... |
| 10:55.53 | petemc | rare1980_: if its available from a debian mirror its free |
| 10:55.56 | wols_ | he should use whatever puppylinux provides and you folks should help him on #puppylinux |
| 10:55.57 | rare1980_ | it say that you have to buy lisnces |
| 10:55.58 | lk | the_file, imgburn claims to run under wine... that's what I use to burn ISO's if I'm in windows. Very simple to use. But I haven't tried it in linux. |
| 10:56.13 | wols_ | rare1980_: it's in debian |
| 10:56.19 | rare1980_ | hmm |
| 10:56.19 | wols_ | ,versions openvpn |
| 10:56.20 | judd | openvpn -- etch: 2.0.9-4etch1; lenny: 2.1~rc11-1; sid: 2.1.0-2; squeeze: 2.1.0-2 |
| 10:56.21 | rare1980_ | nice |
| 10:56.22 | the_file | lk: thanks, I found the app in puppy |
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| 10:56.34 | the_file | man the folks in #debian are MUCH more friendlyier than in #ubuntu |
| 10:56.44 | lk | lol.... |
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| 10:56.50 | jelly-home | *shudder* |
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| 10:58.12 | the_file | if you utter a word thats in ANY way un-related to ubuntu they flame you |
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| 10:59.03 | fbh | http://xkcd.com/72/ |
| 10:59.49 | the_file | OMG that was epic |
| 10:59.56 | the_file | fbh: great stuff |
| 10:59.59 | wols_ | the_file: if you don't stop asking about puppy, I flame you too |
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| 11:00.11 | the_file | hehe |
| 11:00.23 | the_file | I have been on #puppylinux simountaiously here |
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| 11:00.43 | wols_ | !they don't know |
| 11:00.43 | dpkg | Just because the people in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 11:01.40 | do0ob | is it possible to force a specific font size for a gtk app? |
| 11:02.20 | abrotman | you can change the gtk font for your entire session if you want |
| 11:02.46 | wols_ | doesn't gnome-terminal and such have font settings? |
| 11:02.57 | abrotman | well, he didn't specify which app |
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| 11:04.09 | do0ob | abrotman: /home/ace/.gtkrc-2.0-kde has syntax for user-font which looks similar to css, so is it possible to add an app specific setting? |
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| 11:04.53 | abrotman | i don't use KDE, no idea |
| 11:05.10 | do0ob | abrotman: but its gtkrc, it only effects gnome apps |
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| 11:06.32 | pallgone | do0ob: you can use .Xdefaults |
| 11:07.05 | abrotman | well, from just peeking, apparently i've never changed my .gtkrc .. there is a gtk-theme-switch2 |
| 11:07.14 | abrotman | pallgone: i think he wants just for gtk apps |
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| 11:08.41 | do0ob | pallgone: i think thats what i need |
| 11:08.54 | do0ob | i want it just for chromium which is gtk2 |
| 11:09.20 | do0ob | it seems to ignore DPI so i wanted to increase the font size |
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| 11:14.40 | pallgone | do0ob: hmm, I read there are some issues with chromium and fonts... it might not even read .Xdefauts |
| 11:14.44 | pallgone | *l |
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| 11:18.21 | Azeotrope | so far i have this configuration in my httpd.conf http://pastebin.org/270556 and this one in httpd-vhosts.conf http://pastebin.org/270551 |
| 11:18.53 | Azeotrope | the problem is that I can't make *just* server 1 (secure) to ask for auth. i want second to be public. and nobody seems to know why both or none with auth |
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| 11:19.27 | Azeotrope | please have a look, maybe someone will find the problem |
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| 11:21.19 | antgel | anyone know if magic_quotes_gpc was on or off as default in both lenny and / or squeeze? |
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| 11:27.13 | ali_ | Im about to reboot my system, and I wonder if you can choose during installation to use KDE instead of Gnome? |
| 11:27.19 | lk | antgel, it's on. |
| 11:27.38 | ali_ | or whould I install it without a UI and later install KDE manually? |
| 11:27.42 | abrotman | !tell ali_ about install kde |
| 11:27.48 | abrotman | ali_: or you can do the latter |
| 11:27.59 | pallgone | ali_: yes, you should be able to choose right on the first screen, where you can say 'install' |
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| 11:28.40 | lk | Wait, the installer lets you choose? I haven't installed a GUI in tasksel for a while, so I don't remember at all. |
| 11:29.29 | pallgone | lk: not the installer, but on the splash screen you can change it |
| 11:29.42 | abrotman | or you can use the kde installer image |
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| 11:30.05 | lk | pallgone, ohh... I had completely forgotten about that. |
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| 11:31.52 | ali_ | Alternatively you can boot a netinstall CD by feeding the following command at the boot prompt: Dont understands when this would be |
| 11:32.07 | ali_ | couls someone explaine it alittle more? |
| 11:32.09 | lk | Does debian integrate kde as smoothly as it does gnome? Most distros I've used in the past tended to be buggier when using something other that the default desktop. |
| 11:34.47 | wols_ | lk: debian has no default |
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| 11:37.05 | lk | wols_, I'll take that to mean there's no heavy integration with one desktop environment. From what I can see, gnome's looks like it's the "default," even if it isn't considered so officially. |
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| 11:41.02 | abrotman | lk: they to choose a "Desktop" for tasksel .. i wouldn't call that the default |
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| 11:43.42 | lk | abrotman, so by going through the installer with the suggested/default options and selecting the "desktop" and having gnome install doesn't make gnome the default desktop? Got it =) |
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| 11:43.59 | abrotman | lk: if you use the kde installer, you get KDE ... |
| 11:44.06 | abrotman | then KDE is the default .. |
| 11:44.24 | mintux | hi I have debian server in my local network that it share connection to local computers and has dnsmasq to work as a router and assign ip for local computers . the local computers os is Windows . and I want to rdp to those computers from outside so I first connect to debian server . what solution do you suggest to do this ( remote from outside to local windows through debian server ) |
| 11:44.29 | lk | Ah. Is there a separate disc for that? |
| 11:44.34 | abrotman | yes .. i said that above? |
| 11:45.03 | wols_ | mintux: port forwarding. dnsmasq does not work as a router. it's a DNS and DHCP server only |
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| 11:45.15 | wols_ | mintux: pastebin the output of dpkg -l ipmasq |
| 11:45.16 | mintux | wols_: hmm |
| 11:45.42 | abrotman | lk: there's also an installer for lxde/xfce |
| 11:46.09 | abrotman | that said .. i'd still say to just skip tasksel and do it yourself |
| 11:46.22 | lk | All of which you intentionally have to switch to at the splash screen... yeah, agreed. |
| 11:46.40 | wols_ | abrotman: considering everyone says to skip tasksel always, WHO is using the damn thing? |
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| 11:46.53 | abrotman | lk: huh? no .. there are separate ISOs for the kde and lxde/xfce installers |
| 11:46.58 | abrotman | wols_: people that don't know any better? |
| 11:47.20 | wols_ | abrotman: what does this say about the debian installer builders.... |
| 11:47.33 | abrotman | wols_: that they don't build enough options into tasksel ? |
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| 11:47.58 | abrotman | lk: http://ftp.ch.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.4/i386/iso-cd/ .. look toward the bottom |
| 11:48.04 | mintux | wols_:sorry I installed dnsmasq not ipmasq |
| 11:48.08 | madmartigano | I haven't used linux in a few years, but I'm thinking about setting up a new linux box. is Debian much different now than it was in 2007? |
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| 11:48.25 | abrotman | madmartigano: depends which version you used in 2007 |
| 11:48.32 | madmartigano | always unstable |
| 11:48.50 | wols_ | mintux: sorry, dnsmasq doesn't route one package. so something else does. something that runs several iptables commands. often it is ipmasq |
| 11:48.50 | madmartigano | straight debian |
| 11:48.59 | cahoot | then it's just the same and totally different |
| 11:49.50 | abrotman | madmartigano: which part would you like to be different? obviously there are newer packages |
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| 11:50.08 | mintux | wols_:but it works for me and give ip address to systems . I just need I can remote desktop to windows . a solution is create vpn server on debian |
| 11:50.11 | madmartigano | well, the last time I set up debian I had to edit the x configuration file by hand to get debian to support open gl with my nvidia card |
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| 11:50.35 | lk | abrotman, thanks for the link. |
| 11:50.39 | madmartigano | and sound was always a bitch |
| 11:50.46 | wols_ | mintux: dnsmasq doesn't route and doesn't help you with your problem! you currently use a iptables calling script or whatever to do NAT |
| 11:51.02 | lk | madmartigano, check if your hardware is supported: http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ |
| 11:51.03 | madmartigano | I'm hoping they streamlined that |
| 11:51.09 | abrotman | madmartigano: no clue about nvidia stuff (isn't that always a PITA?) .. but i haven't had to muck with manual sound settings in ages |
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| 11:51.22 | mintux | wols_: yes I did iptables for NAT and use dnsmaq for dhcp only |
| 11:51.26 | abrotman | lk: except .. those install stable, not unstable .. |
| 11:51.28 | madmartigano | abrotman: good to hear |
| 11:51.29 | wols_ | mintux: and until you tell us what this is, we cannot help you with your problem.yes a VPN would solve it but it'S a stupid solution to your problem. |
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| 11:51.44 | abrotman | and he didn't say his hardware was unsupported |
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| 11:51.53 | wols_ | mintux: and you use iptables again to portforard to your RDP servers on your windows clients. have a nice day doing it |
| 11:52.00 | abrotman | madmartigano: though, i have pretty simple sound/alsa requirements .. |
| 11:52.33 | wols_ | madmartigano: maybe you should tell us what sound and video PCIIDs your hardware has. then we can tell you how hard it will probably be |
| 11:52.35 | lk | madmartigano, getting nvidia drivers to work isn't difficult. You _might_ need to modify an xorg conf file, but that's about it. |
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| 11:53.19 | lk | The last time I had issues with sound was in 3.0... but that was also the last time I used it for a desktop till recently. Lenny worked fine out of the box. |
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| 11:54.15 | mintux | wols_: but there is a problem . if I want to do this I have to define a map for addressing computers . suppose each system boot first get a ip . and I want to remote to each computer not only one computer so in this way I have to give static a each computer and just remote to the one computer not each computer |
| 11:54.26 | madmartigano | I use a USB DAC for sound: Benchmark DAC1. And my video card is the Radeon 5870 |
| 11:55.01 | wols_ | mintux: dnsmasq is awesome. it can assign IPs based on MAC and stuff like that, making sure your XP clients ALWAYS get the same IP. see dnsmasq.conf. it has examples |
| 11:55.22 | abrotman | madmartigano: so why were you asking about nvidia ? |
| 11:55.38 | wols_ | madmartigano: for the radeon you need fglrx. fortunately, newest drivers support Xorg 1.7 now |
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| 11:55.39 | madmartigano | I was explaining my previous situation |
| 11:55.49 | wols_ | madmartigano: and your USB soundcard has a USB id. tell us which one |
| 11:57.27 | madmartigano | I can't find the USB id |
| 11:57.35 | madmartigano | it's not a typical sound card |
| 11:58.11 | cahoot | madmartigano: the card not connected to a linux system atm? |
| 11:58.19 | madmartigano | connected to windows 7 |
| 11:58.30 | madmartigano | I have yet to install linux |
| 11:58.41 | cahoot | its device manager doesn't report usbid? |
| 11:59.18 | wols_ | madmartigano: what do you currently run? if it's windows, your device manager has tue USB id |
| 11:59.22 | abrotman | it does .. you have ot hunt it down |
| 11:59.24 | wols_ | cahoot: it does |
| 12:01.38 | cahoot | madmartigano: the point is - the pci/usb-id of devices is the best startingpoint for exploring what support linux offers |
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| 12:03.01 | WormFood | how in the hell do I "reset" my keyboard? Linux has somehow decided I don't need to use my <ALT> key anymore. I usually can just hit <ctrl>, <alt> and <shift> randomly to get it back to a normal state, but not this time....actually, it seems that one of the keys is logically stuck, since many mouse clicks won't work right now. |
| 12:03.04 | madmartigano | cahoot. ok. I checked with the device manager but couldn't find anything along the lines of usb-id |
| 12:03.15 | madmartigano | I'll have to do some more research |
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| 12:05.44 | madmartigano | I found that it works with ubuntu: card 1: B10 [Benchmark 1.0], device 0: USB Audio [USB Audio] |
| 12:06.09 | madmartigano | aplay -l gives card 1: B10 [Benchmark 1.0], device 0: USB Audio [USB Audio] |
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| 12:06.20 | cahoot | lsusb |
| 12:07.07 | WormFood | this fuckin' shit is really pissing me off...I can't move any windows, I can't <alt><tab> to change windows....anyone have a clue how to "fix" this? |
| 12:07.30 | lindi- | WormFood: just one normal usb keyboard? |
| 12:07.33 | wols_ | madmartigano: in the details of your USB device (in device manager) you get VID (vendor id) and PID (device ID) |
| 12:07.38 | wols_ | and there you have your USB ID |
| 12:07.47 | WormFood | it is a ps2 keyboard |
| 12:08.02 | wols_ | WormFood: which window manager/desktop environment? |
| 12:08.19 | WormFood | sawfish/sawmill and gnome |
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| 12:08.47 | WormFood | but it isn't a problem with that, this is an X11 issue....this commonly happens when I use vmware, but 99% of the time I can get it working again. |
| 12:09.22 | lindi- | WormFood: vmware? can you hit the problem by any other means? |
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| 12:10.03 | WormFood | don't ever remember hitting this problem when I'm not using vmware. |
| 12:10.23 | WormFood | and vmware isn't even running now. |
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| 12:11.48 | madmartigano | wols_ those descriptors aren't used in windows 7. |
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| 12:12.59 | madmartigano | no matter. I'll figure it out and come back later |
| 12:13.08 | wols_ | madmartigano: it has the same settings tho |
| 12:13.25 | WormFood | anyone have any suggestions? Usually I can just quickly randomly hit <ctrl>, <alt> and <shift> to get it to reset back to normal....but god damn! it won't do it today.....I'm sure if I restart X11 it will work fine, but I don't want to close all my software just to do that. |
| 12:14.10 | madmartigano | wols_ when I eventually find the correct usb info, where's a good place to research its compatibility with linux? |
| 12:14.27 | WormFood | madmartigano, google :P |
| 12:14.42 | wols_ | madmartigano: google. there are ALWAYS hits, even when there is no support at all |
| 12:15.02 | madmartigano | cool |
| 12:15.04 | madmartigano | thanks guys |
| 12:15.14 | madmartigano | or gals... |
| 12:15.17 | madmartigano | whatever |
| 12:15.30 | madmartigano | have a good night/morning |
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| 12:19.19 | WormFood | there is no tool to reset the state of my keyboard, or check it's state? |
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| 12:22.49 | echosystm | hi guys |
| 12:23.00 | echosystm | im looking to build a good NAS using debian |
| 12:23.12 | echosystm | but i want it to be really power efficient (possibly ARM) |
| 12:23.32 | echosystm | can anyone suggest some hardware that is better than say, an atom cpu? |
| 12:23.47 | lk | echosystm, atom boards typically don't have many sata ports, so beware. |
| 12:23.55 | lk | And many don't have pcie slots, either. |
| 12:24.23 | wols_ | echosystm: ##hardware |
| 12:24.39 | xingu | echosystm: http://www.globalscaletechnologies.com/t-guruplugdetails.aspx ? |
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| 12:27.44 | echosystm | ive looked into the guruplug, but i dont think it will be fast enough |
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| 12:29.45 | abrotman | fast enough for what? |
| 12:30.33 | liable | shearing sheep |
| 12:30.43 | abrotman | bah ... |
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| 12:32.46 | echosystm | i need really good write speeds abrotman |
| 12:32.52 | echosystm | i dont want to wait around all day :P |
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| 12:40.47 | sohum | how do I force aptitude to ignore a particular dependency? I installed via dpkg --force-depends-version, and it works fine, but now I can't use aptitude; it keeps wanting to remove the package. |
| 12:41.03 | wols_ | sohum: you cannot |
| 12:41.18 | wols_ | what did you do exactly |
| 12:41.43 | sohum | wols_: it's the nautilus dropbox extension, which "Depends: libnautilus-extension1 (>= 1:2.22.2) but 2.30.1-1 is installed." |
| 12:41.49 | lk | echosystm, set up an LVM raid 10... you'll probably want a mini or micro atx board and an AMD processor unless you can find a suitable atom board (in which case I'd be very interested as well). |
| 12:41.56 | sohum | wols_: notice the different formats? |
| 12:42.06 | sohum | wols_: *version formats |
| 12:42.24 | wols_ | where did you get that package? |
| 12:42.49 | sohum | wols_: https://www.dropbox.com/downloading?os=lnx |
| 12:43.55 | wols_ | !tell sohum about equivs |
| 12:45.00 | sohum | wols_: nifty, thanks |
| 12:46.08 | abrotman | sohum: you mixed versions of debian ? |
| 12:46.46 | aburch | sohum: Packages for Ubuntu will not always work on Debian. |
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| 12:47.13 | sohum | aburch: yea, I'm learning that now |
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| 12:47.54 | aburch | And equivs will probably not help in this case as you do not want to pretend that you have a package installed, but cheat around the version. I am not sure equivs can do that. |
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| 12:50.47 | wols_ | ideally you'd want the source for the dropbox package. maybe check if the source tarball has a debian/ directory |
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| 12:51.45 | g0 | hey :) how do i list all packages that depend on a given package |
| 12:51.47 | g0 | ? |
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| 12:52.30 | johndee | Greetings |
| 12:52.41 | qq- | , versions dropbox |
| 12:52.41 | johndee | Anyone knows how to slow down cdrom speed? |
| 12:52.43 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'dropbox' was found. |
| 12:52.57 | johndee | eject, setcd and hdparm don't work for me |
| 12:53.06 | johndee | I wonder if there are any other options |
| 12:53.23 | sohum | wols_: I'm attempting to rebuild the deb |
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| 12:54.26 | johndee | Only cdparanoia can read at low speeds, but I have to use cdrdao and it spins up to 40x :\ |
| 12:54.36 | wols_ | sohum: edit the dependencies when rebuilding tho :) |
| 12:54.39 | johndee | Any suggestions please :) |
| 12:54.53 | sohum | wols_: yea :D |
| 12:55.37 | sohum | grr, no changelog |
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| 13:01.51 | sohum | oh, I don't need to use dpkg-buildpackage. that's for /source/. excellent. |
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| 13:19.28 | |tomiondrums| | hi! i'm currently experimenting (though i actually don't have the time for experiments at the moment) with new Western Digital Caviar Green disks (WD20EARS). the day before yesterday someone (i think it was 'valdyn' from this channel) hinted me at the "4k"-problem as my disk had an extremely poor performance and now i'm pretty sure he's right. (see http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/438328/ ) |
| 13:19.29 | |tomiondrums| | The problem that arises is that now i have to quite a lot a manual aligning and adjusting and i don't know how to do it right. I've already tried to set up my partitions using fdisk such that the starting block numbers are a multiple of 4 and set blocksize=4096 for mkfs.ext3 which made me experience some performance improvement but i doubt this to be the whole truth. Any hints, experiences, advices? |
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| 13:27.22 | nwillems | Hey there. Is the small network install equipped with WPA supplicant? |
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| 13:27.33 | liable | nope |
| 13:27.33 | wols_ | nwillems: no |
| 13:27.40 | wols_ | !tell nwillems about cd content |
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| 13:29.20 | Appetite | Is there an installable package via apt-get that installs an sqlite api for python? |
| 13:30.02 | aburch | Appetite: apt-cache search sqlite python... |
| 13:30.02 | lindi- | Appetite: python.5? |
| 13:30.09 | lindi- | Appetite: python2.5? |
| 13:30.31 | Appetite | pytyhon-pysqlite ? |
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| 13:33.40 | nwillems | wols_: To get this right the site dpkg just linked to, just tells me what packages is on the CD to install? I wanna now if its included as a tool for the installation, I have no network cables so I need to be able to login to my wifi network. |
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| 13:34.41 | wols_ | nwillems: the package you want is "wpasupplicant" |
| 13:34.50 | wols_ | nwillems: what wlan chip do you have? pci id? |
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| 13:35.50 | nwillems | wols_: hmm, I'm badly prepared, sec |
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| 13:37.32 | xy | i've an ATI X1350/1550 ATI Radeon Video Card, should i install fglrx drivers or ATI proprietary drivers, which is recommended, and would work ? |
| 13:37.42 | nwillems | by running lspci, I get "Broadcom Corporation BCM4312 802.11b/g" is that the id, youre looking for? |
| 13:38.04 | compaq | xy, I would install the proprietary drivers |
| 13:38.45 | abrotman | nwillems: lspci -nn |
| 13:38.46 | wols_ | nwillems: lspci -nn will tell you the pciid |
| 13:38.50 | wols_ | and broadcom is evil |
| 13:38.57 | abrotman | xy: i don't think you need to anymore .. |
| 13:39.04 | wols_ | it will most likely work but willneed non-free firmware |
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| 13:40.20 | xy | abrotman: i want the monitor to be set at 1400x900 and 75 Hz refresh rate, is there any other way to achieve that, other than installing the drivers ? |
| 13:40.25 | nwillems | wols_: I guess its the last part: [14e:4315] ? Hmm, I switching because ubuntu makes fancy magic stuff which I don't like. But it worked out of the box with ubu. |
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| 13:40.40 | abrotman | xy: try with radeon or radeonhd first |
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| 13:40.51 | abrotman | judd: pciid 14e:4315 |
| 13:41.09 | abrotman | nwillems: you're missing a character ? |
| 13:41.21 | abrotman | it should be abcd:1234 |
| 13:41.22 | silidan | hey, what is my best bet for creating a shared folder with debian lenny to be used by another debian lenny machine ? |
| 13:41.27 | dvs | nwillems: http://wiki.debian.org/wl |
| 13:41.41 | nwillems | abrotman: that right ,y bad. [14e4:4315] |
| 13:41.51 | abrotman | judd: pciid 14e4:4315 |
| 13:41.54 | judd | [14e4:4315] is 'BCM4312 802.11b/g LP-PHY' from 'Broadcom Corporation' with no known kernel module in lenny but has kernel module 'ssb' in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=14e4:4315 http://wiki.debian.org/wl and the out-of-tree 'wl' module. |
| 13:41.56 | xy | abrotman: Couldn't find package "radeon" |
| 13:41.59 | abrotman | yay lenny |
| 13:42.15 | abrotman | xy: it's something like xorg-video-radeon .. you probably already have it installed |
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| 13:43.45 | whiskas | Hi, is it possible to boot a ramdisk (using Grub) from one of my system's harddisks, and running a system install from that? |
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| 13:44.55 | Appetite | Anyone able to install webmin? It says it's missing libmd5-perl, but when i try to install libmd5-perl it tells me it has no installation candidate. |
| 13:45.28 | nwillems | wols_, abrotman, dvs from what I read it is possible to install the wireless driver on a running system, but what about wireless support for network install? |
| 13:45.36 | abrotman | Appetite: webmin isn't in debian, and for good reasons |
| 13:45.42 | abrotman | nwillems: not likely |
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| 13:45.50 | Appetite | abrotman: what is an alternative to use? |
| 13:45.55 | dvs | nwillems: probably not |
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| 13:46.04 | nwillems | Appetite: not to sound freakish, but SSH |
| 13:46.06 | abrotman | Appetite: ssh and an editor |
| 13:46.34 | Appetite | how about for sql management, is there an easy tool for sqlite? I know phpmyadmin, but that is for mysql |
| 13:47.03 | nwillems | Appetite: how would you manage a SQLite db? |
| 13:47.32 | Appetite | nwillems: that is a rephrasing of the question i just asked. I'm looking for a simple frontend LIKE phpmyadmin for managing sqlite |
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| 13:48.44 | nwillems | Appetite: well, of what I know theese guys have something called SQLite manager: http://www.wampserver.com/en/ |
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| 13:49.47 | abrotman | !dtc |
| 13:49.47 | dpkg | DTC is Domain Technologie Control, a GPL-licensed web hosting control panel - http://www.gplhost.com/software-dtc.html, or apt-cache show dtc-toaster |
| 13:49.55 | Appetite | ok, i was just looking for a frontend manager because i dont know the sqlite syntax as well, since it is a little different from mysql, which i am used to |
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| 13:50.19 | abrotman | Appetite: does it have to be web based ? |
| 13:50.31 | Appetite | abrotman: no, but definately can't be GUI (no WM) |
| 13:51.11 | abrotman | nevermind then |
| 13:51.27 | whiskas | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s04.html.en#files-lilo tells me to download the file "vmlinuz". However, it seems I can only find a file called "linux". Would that be the same? |
| 13:51.51 | abrotman | whiskas: what are you really trying to do? |
| 13:52.39 | abrotman | whiskas: http://ftp.ch.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/installer-i386/20090123lenny6/images/hd-media/ .. is probably more like what you want |
| 13:55.21 | nwillems | well thanks for your time everybody. |
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| 13:58.50 | compaq | How do you copy the files that download when you apt-get install, so you can install them on another machine? |
| 13:59.35 | abrotman | cp |
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| 14:05.09 | m3tti | thinking about advantages/disadvantages about gnome and kde can't decide which one to choose for daily work :-( |
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| 14:06.19 | Bushmills | then think a bit more |
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| 14:07.59 | m3tti | Bushmills, i'm thinking allready |
| 14:08.35 | Bushmills | you could use a smaller common denominator, and run bash |
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| 14:08.46 | Appetite | In ubuntu, my wireless network adapter works, but in debian, it says it can't find the driver... is there any way to get the one that the ubuntu install used and add it to debian? (i no longer have anything running ubuntu) |
| 14:08.50 | woodworks | Bushmills: thought i smelled burned motor oil |
| 14:09.40 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell Appetite about wireless |
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| 14:10.08 | Bushmills | Appetite: you could install the debian driver for the device you had supported by an ubuntu driver before |
| 14:10.12 | woodworks | with some help from this channel i'm running icewm on a real low tech box and suprised at how great a solution it is, low footprint w/ capability to run both gnome and kde aps |
| 14:10.15 | m3tti | Apeiron`, which wireless adapter du you have |
| 14:10.17 | whiskas | abrotman: thank you |
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| 14:10.36 | Appetite | Bushmills: i know i can install the driver, my point is i dont know what the driver is... in ubuntu it was an out-of-the-box driver, so i dont know which to use in debina |
| 14:10.38 | Appetite | debian* |
| 14:10.47 | Bushmills | woodworks: window manager doesn't really care what apps you run |
| 14:10.52 | jelly-home | Appetite: use "/msg dpkg something" to ask the bot about something |
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| 14:11.07 | Bushmills | windows manager draws frames and button around windows, and maybe some extras |
| 14:11.18 | Appetite | jelly-home: yea, i know. thanks. |
| 14:11.35 | Bushmills | Appetite: unluckily, we also don't know, |
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| 14:11.47 | m3tti | Appetite, which wireless card do you have |
| 14:11.47 | woodworks | Bushmills: yes, learning as i go |
| 14:12.30 | Appetite | m3tti: it's a linksys wireless-g 2.4 GHz 802.11g USB Network Adapter (Q87-WUSB54G) |
| 14:12.37 | Appetite | Bushmills: is there a way to figure out which driver it uses? |
| 14:12.57 | Bushmills | woodworks: you can run those programs even without window manager at all. but then you lack some convenience moving them around of resizing them |
| 14:13.13 | Bushmills | Appetite: lspci could be a start |
| 14:13.43 | Appetite | is it lspci or lsusb? it's a usb network adapter, not pci |
| 14:13.51 | Bushmills | if usb, try lsusb |
| 14:14.00 | m3tti | Appetite, are you german i've a tutorial in german ??? |
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| 14:14.07 | jelly-home | Appetite: so you didn't care enough to "/msg dpkg what's my wireless |
| 14:14.17 | woodworks | ah, that makes sense. i was pleased to find an ap called mmaker that made a very nice menu for icewm |
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| 14:16.25 | Bushmills | woodworks: disadvantage with running x programs from different desktop environments is that each of them loads support libs for their own desktop environment, thereby using more memory than if you stick to programs which share common libraries |
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| 14:17.07 | Appetite | jelly-home: i did, now with the output, how do i figure out the driver? |
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| 14:25.38 | jelly-home | Appetite: does the output suggest no driver? care to pastebin it all? |
| 14:25.50 | Appetite | i think i got it, thanks |
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| 14:26.52 | jelly-home | the most usual issue is some firmware is missing to make the driver work |
| 14:27.10 | henry-nicolas | Hi guys, I'm looking for a software (web interface) to do an inventory of all my scripts. Actually I get a lots of Perl code running on ~ 10 servers and I would like to get an easier picture of what's located where (I do know that, but it's just in my mind, not in a clean app). I'v a OCSinventory server, don't know if I can use it for that. |
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| 14:30.34 | Spt | hi |
| 14:30.35 | Lantizia | Is it normal to set the kernel.domainname using sysctl if you will use the server externally? |
| 14:30.36 | Spt | i just installed debian and choosed not to install LILO or GRUB.. how could i add the linux option to boot.ini |
| 14:30.40 | Spt | i've read some guides and didnt understand what they want me to do.. |
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| 14:31.29 | Lantizia | Spt, if you chose not to install it at all... then you need to go install it at least to the partition instead of the hdd |
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| 14:31.42 | Bushmills | Spt: why would you want to add a linux option at all, when you have no boot loader installed? |
| 14:31.55 | Lantizia | Spt, that way your nt bootloader will boot the partition because the partition has lilo/grub |
| 14:32.25 | Lantizia | Spt, e.g. install grub to /dev/sda1 instead of /dev/sda |
| 14:32.40 | jelly-home | Spt: you'll have to install either lilo or grub 0.9x on the linux partition, then chainload it from ntldr (boot.ini) |
| 14:32.48 | Appetite | jelly: it needs the p54usb firmware i think, i installed firmware-ralink like dpkg said, but it still isn't working. |
| 14:33.00 | Spt | how i install it to linux partition then? |
| 14:33.16 | Bushmills | you determine that in the config file |
| 14:33.26 | Lantizia | Spt, you'll have to boot a disc and get in to the filesystem and run the correct lilo/grub command to install it |
| 14:33.36 | Spt | well.. how can i boot to linux now? |
| 14:33.41 | Lantizia | Spt, or just reinstall |
| 14:33.47 | Bushmills | usb stick, cd, dvd |
| 14:33.47 | Lantizia | Spt, you can't without a bootloader! |
| 14:34.24 | Bushmills | floppy |
| 14:34.28 | Bushmills | netboot |
| 14:34.30 | Lantizia | zip :D |
| 14:34.38 | Lantizia | ls120 |
| 14:34.53 | Bushmills | if bios supports booting from it, yes |
| 14:34.58 | Lantizia | my footy |
| 14:35.02 | jelly-home | Appetite: how does it not work? Did the driver load after installing the firmware? What happened at "modprobe -r p54usb ; modprobe p54usb" step and afterward? |
| 14:35.10 | Lantizia | Is it normal to set the kernel.domainname using sysctl if you will use the server externally? |
| 14:35.25 | Lantizia | thus gethostname() returns the fqdn like hostname -f does |
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| 14:35.31 | Spt | so now i have to reinstall debian? |
| 14:35.39 | Appetite | jelly-home: neither returned anything |
| 14:35.40 | Lantizia | for daemons that ask the kernel for the fqdn |
| 14:36.02 | Appetite | it's missing this firmware i think: "i13886usb" |
| 14:36.15 | Appetite | it's missing this firmware i think: "is13886usb" |
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| 14:36.30 | Lantizia | Spt, boot the same disc but select rescue mode, go through the steps as normal until it asks you if you want to mount hda1 or sda1 (or similar)... you'll get a console up |
| 14:36.37 | Lantizia | you can use that to run the grub-install command |
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| 14:37.05 | jelly-home | Appetite: the file /var/log/kern.log (or dmesg command) will show what happened at modprobe time |
| 14:37.17 | Lantizia | Spt, determine which device your linux partition is (for example /dev/sda2) and run grub-install on that... e.g. grub-install /dev/sda2 |
| 14:37.33 | Lantizia | thus your grub bootloader will be on the partition and your NT boot.ini based bootloader can chain boot it |
| 14:37.39 | Appetite | jelly-home: just now it showed on the screen (p54usb): cannot load firmware is13665usb (-2) |
| 14:37.47 | Lantizia | Spt, or re-install :D |
| 14:38.28 | jelly-home | Appetite: sounds like a good keyword for google |
| 14:38.31 | Spt | could u explain more about the rescue mode way? |
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| 14:38.57 | Appetite | jelly-home: google for is13886usb returned nothing at all |
| 14:39.06 | niklaswe | hmm any ide how i wil fix this problem with suspend and my screen.. when i set my computer in suspend-mode and trying to wake it again the screen is black, and i must reboot the machine |
| 14:39.33 | jelly-home | Appetite: uh, you just pasted "is13665usb", which is it |
| 14:41.34 | wols_ | when I change between virtual terminals with ctrl+alt+Fx, is there a way to change this hotkey to something else? |
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| 14:42.04 | jelly-home | Appetite: http://wiki.debian.org/prism54#p54usb mentions the latter, "is13886usb", it's weird google doesn't find it |
| 14:42.10 | Appetite | jelly-home: i meant is13886usb |
| 14:42.18 | Lantizia | Spt, what are you missing? |
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| 14:42.39 | jelly-home | Appetite: I'm assuming you're trying to follow the steps on that page |
| 14:43.01 | Appetite | jelly-home: i am following them now |
| 14:43.10 | jelly-home | Appetite: which debian release are you running? what's the output of "uname -r" command? |
| 14:43.28 | Spt | Lantizia, when i refused to install LILO or GRUB, it said something about /vmlinuz kernel on partition /dev/hdb2 and root=/dev/hdb2 passed as kernel argument... |
| 14:43.58 | Lantizia | Spt, ok then you probably want to run grub-install /dev/hdb2 |
| 14:44.09 | Appetite | jelly-home: squeeze/sid 2.6.32-3-686 |
| 14:44.11 | wols_ | !tell Spt about rescue |
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| 14:45.46 | linhis | i want to change the resolution on my lenny, how do i know which is the correct resolution for my system ?? And where do i change it ?? is it xorg.conf ?? |
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| 14:46.43 | Spt | Lantizia, when i install grub to linux's partition then how i will make a link to boot.ini? |
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| 14:47.12 | jelly-home | linhis: xrandr is the basic tool to do that; if you're using the default Gnome desktop environment, it'll have a graphical frontend for xrandr somewhere |
| 14:47.22 | Lantizia | Spt, same way as the link you'll already have to windows |
| 14:47.46 | Spt | ok |
| 14:47.48 | Spt | thnx |
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| 14:49.30 | Appetite | jelly-home: i followed the directions on that site you pasted, but it still doesn't work. it isn't being detected by iwconfig |
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| 14:50.13 | jelly-home | Appetite: does the module at least get loaded properly? |
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| 14:50.29 | Appetite | jelly-home: i assume so, since it doesn't give any errors |
| 14:50.35 | jelly-home | Appetite: check dmesg |
| 14:51.19 | d1b | Appetite: lsmod |grep modulename |
| 14:51.32 | Appetite | p54usb: probe of 1-2:1.0 failed with error -16 |
| 14:51.38 | linhis | jelly-home:xrandr wont start for some reason |
| 14:51.53 | d1b | linhis: what happens if you type xrandr --auto |
| 14:52.34 | Wr4i7h | hello. where can i find a python 2.6 package that is safe to install on 5.0.4 stable? or do i really have to build it myself? fwiw, i don't need it to become the default python. |
| 14:52.52 | d1b | Wr4i7h: you don't ... upgrade to squeeze ;P |
| 14:52.57 | linhis | d1b:a blink |
| 14:53.04 | d1b | linhis: so it works! |
| 14:53.31 | linhis | d1b:doest that mean my system has the correct resolution now ?? |
| 14:53.44 | d1b | i don't know what resolution you wanted... |
| 14:53.50 | d1b | that is just auto |
| 14:53.52 | jelly-home | linhis: pastebin the output of "xrandr" |
| 14:54.07 | linhis | jelly-home |
| 14:54.11 | linhis | jelly-home:ya |
| 14:54.52 | salvin_ | why there is an old version of mplayer in new? |
| 14:55.00 | jelly-home | Appetite: dunno, you could try unplugging the stick, removing the kernel driver, plugging it back |
| 14:55.23 | linhis | jelly-home:http://pastebin.com/JZRz564g |
| 14:55.27 | linhis | jelly-home: http://pastebin.com/JZRz564g |
| 14:56.27 | jelly-home | linhis: looks like you're either using a generic driver and/or the resolutions of your output device aren't properly detected |
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| 14:57.17 | linhis | jelly-home: hmmmm. any way out ?? |
| 14:57.58 | Appetite | Is it possible to not load a window manager until a certain user logs in, and when they log out, stop the window manager? |
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| 14:59.56 | lindi- | Appetite: users start their own wm |
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| 15:00.43 | Appetite | lindi-: how do i do this then? I want it to not run any wm (not xorg, xdm, or fluxbox) but when a user logs in, run xorg, xdm, and fluxbox, then stop them when they log out |
| 15:00.45 | Wr4i7h | d1b, thanks, i thought testing was still on 2.5, but it's on 2.6: http://packages.debian.org/testing/python/ |
| 15:00.51 | Bushmills | Appetite: sure. |
| 15:01.02 | jelly-home | linhis: pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log, it depends on the card used. You might either need to use a non-free driver, or get newer Xorg driver (which basically means upgrade the distro) |
| 15:01.04 | Bushmills | Appetite: a display manager is commonly used for that |
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| 15:01.27 | tingi | how to know whether a linux machine is virtual machine or not ? i've access to box |
| 15:01.30 | tingi | through telnet |
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| 15:01.35 | Appetite | Bushmills: ok, how do i do that? |
| 15:01.46 | Bushmills | Appetite: you install one |
| 15:01.57 | Appetite | Bushmills: what is an example of one |
| 15:01.58 | Salvia | On |
| 15:02.10 | jelly-home | Appetite: that's exactly what the login manager (display manager) does, a GUI login screen which provides authenication and a choice of WMs / DEs installed |
| 15:02.30 | Bushmills | gdm, for example. |
| 15:02.33 | jelly-home | Appetite: gdm is one. The graphical login screen. |
| 15:02.44 | Appetite | is xdm one? |
| 15:02.48 | Bushmills | yes |
| 15:02.48 | jelly-home | yes. |
| 15:02.51 | jelly-home | !dm |
| 15:02.51 | dpkg | DM means Display Manager, the app that brings up a graphical login screen and starts your login session. <xdm>, <gdm>, <kdm>, <wdm>, pdm, login.app and <slim> are all examples of display managers. Ask me about <nodm> if you want to disable the DM. Or Debian Maintainer: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianMaintainer |
| 15:02.53 | Appetite | i have fluxbox, xdm, and xorg install |
| 15:03.04 | Bushmills | but it doesn't allow that easily to pick the desired window manager |
| 15:03.22 | Bushmills | gdm allows a pulldown selection during login to choose your window manager |
| 15:03.38 | Appetite | so i should go with gdm instead of xdm? |
| 15:03.54 | jelly-home | Appetite: yeah, it's less spartan |
| 15:03.56 | petemc | tingi: http://micky.ibh.net/~liske/imvirt.html |
| 15:04.16 | Bushmills | you can go without display manager and still have login prompt with window manager choice. qingy could be used for that purposwe |
| 15:04.29 | Appetite | jelly-home: how much resources does it use? the whole reason i dont want a window manager is because this is running as a server, but i may want to login under a particular user in some situations and have a window manager |
| 15:04.37 | Appetite | but i dont want all the wm processes running unless that user is logged on |
| 15:04.55 | d1b | Appetite: are you trolling? |
| 15:05.05 | Appetite | d1b: why would you ask that? |
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| 15:05.08 | Bushmills | (that's more like a getty, but also with graphics frame buffer support, and menu to choose your window manager, logging into that one instead of into console) |
| 15:05.22 | Bushmills | but needs more setup than gdm does |
| 15:05.45 | Appetite | ok, because atm it's all text based, the login, and everthing, but i want it so that a particular user can have awindow manager |
| 15:05.58 | Bushmills | Appetite: with what you said last, qingy sounds pretty right for you |
| 15:06.08 | Appetite | alright ill try that Bushmills |
| 15:06.43 | jelly-home | Appetite: it eats some RAM and in addition keeps an X server running |
| 15:07.14 | Appetite | jelly-home: that's the reason why i didn't want a window manager or even an x server, i dont want any extraneous resources used until a certain user logs in |
| 15:07.51 | linhis | jelly-home : http://pastebin.com/NL6YwkaT |
| 15:07.54 | jelly-home | Appetite: if you can't space 50-100MB RAM, use something leaner. |
| 15:07.57 | jelly-home | spare* |
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| 15:08.19 | Appetite | jelly-home: what is an example of something 'leaner' then? |
| 15:08.27 | jelly-home | beats me |
| 15:08.37 | jelly-home | I'm using gdm |
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| 15:10.28 | jelly-home | judd: xorg 8086:2a42 |
| 15:10.30 | judd | Device 8086:2a42 is not matched by any xorg drivers in lenny or sid. |
| 15:10.50 | Bushmills | Appetite: http://scarydevilmonastery.net/qingy/qingy1.jpg through http://scarydevilmonastery.net/qingy/qingy5.jpg show some photos of qingy |
| 15:11.34 | Bushmills | it simply replaces the normal login prompt. can also work in text mode |
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| 15:12.36 | jelly-home | judd: pciid 8086:2a42 |
| 15:12.37 | judd | [8086:2a42] is 'Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller' from 'Intel Corporation' with no known kernel module in lenny but has kernel module 'i915' in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:2a42 |
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| 15:12.52 | jelly-home | blinks |
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| 15:13.48 | jelly-home | so it's not a poulsbo, but still no xorg driver (in debian), interesting |
| 15:13.59 | d1b | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:14.05 | manhunter | hi |
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| 15:14.10 | d1b | also nice work on judd |
| 15:14.20 | Mark22 | Hello, what is a good keepalived (I use it with IPv4) replacement with IPv6 support? IPv4 support isn't required (for that I can keep using keepalived). |
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| 15:14.27 | manhunter | can i download debian squeeze.iso file now? |
| 15:14.53 | manhunter | i want to use debian squeeze, can i download squeeze.iso now? |
| 15:15.14 | jelly-home | Appetite: you'll be able to get unaccelerated 1366x768 resolution if you create an xorg.conf file, and put a "Virtual 1366 768" line in SubSection "Display" |
| 15:15.49 | jelly-home | Appetite: /msg dpkg xorg config lenny |
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| 15:16.15 | jelly-home | oh fuck, wrong person |
| 15:16.18 | void_ | How can I download a webpage for local use (including java script popups) such that I can click 3 levels deep? I tried wget -r -k <URL.html>, but I didn't get everything. |
| 15:16.52 | petemc | void_: tried to use the mirror option of wget? |
| 15:17.01 | void_ | petemc: no. |
| 15:17.04 | void_ | petemc: will do |
| 15:17.46 | jelly-home | linhis: you'll be able to get unaccelerated 1366x768 resolution if you create an xorg.conf file, and put a "Virtual 1366 768" line in SubSection "Display"; /msg dpkg xorg config lenny |
| 15:18.17 | jelly-home | petemc: wget does javascript? |
| 15:18.24 | manhunter | i want to use debian squeeze, can i download squeeze.iso now? |
| 15:18.46 | petemc | jelly-home: i dont know |
| 15:18.50 | linhis | jelly-home: Ok, let me try. Thank you :) |
| 15:18.58 | void_ | petemc: that doesn't help. |
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| 15:19.49 | petemc | void_: ok, i just threw it out there as something to try |
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| 15:20.53 | linhis | jelly-home: there is no display section in my xorg.conf. can i create one ?? |
| 15:21.29 | jelly-home | linhis: there ought to be a Section "Screen" with SubSection "Display" |
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| 15:22.06 | linhis | jelly-home: there is screen. but no subsection display |
| 15:22.18 | jelly-home | add it, then |
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| 15:23.16 | dean | what is the difference between using the fbdev driver and the intel driver if you're using KMS? |
| 15:23.41 | dean | Like with the intel driver it's accelerated so why would you use the fbdev xorg driver |
| 15:23.54 | tarkaram | I use a USB stick for wireless internet access, the connection drops intermittently and each time the connection drops, I have remove the USB and plug it back in. After I do that, I run dhclient ra0 to get an IP to continue working. I was wondering if there is a way the USB to acquire an IP once I plug it back in. My /etc/networking file doesnt have the ra0 interface |
| 15:23.58 | dean | like does using the fbde driver use less batery or something? |
| 15:24.04 | jelly-home | linhis: something like http://paste.debian.net/74513/ |
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| 15:24.38 | void_ | Ok, it seems it has no-follow in it. Can I tell wget to ignore that? |
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| 15:25.18 | dean | wget -e robots=off --wait 1 http://your.site.here |
| 15:25.59 | jelly-home | dean: when kms is enabled, its own fbdev driver gets used |
| 15:26.15 | dean | jelly-home: OK |
| 15:26.28 | jelly-home | dean: or are you asking about xorg driver? |
| 15:28.04 | linhis | jelly-home: added subsetcion display |
| 15:28.07 | dean | jelly-home: I have KMS enabled in the kernel; Xorg starts up when i use either xserver-xorg-video-intel or xserer-xorg-video-fbdev, but video playback in mplayer is only accelerated when using the -intel driver. So I want to know if there is any advantage in using the -fbdev driver |
| 15:28.26 | dean | or if i should always use xserver-xorg-video-intel when running Xorg |
| 15:28.28 | linhis | jelly-home : any way i can reload xorg without restarting ?? |
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| 15:29.27 | bluesceada_ | linhis logut, options > restart x server and login again |
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| 15:29.35 | bluesceada_ | depending which login manager you use |
| 15:29.59 | bluesceada_ | or strg+alt+backspace (but beware if you have currently some open programs with non saved data) |
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| 15:30.42 | bluesceada_ | dean: of course use the driver which was made for your graphics adapter, which is intel if you have an intel card |
| 15:30.50 | jelly-home | linhis: log off, log on |
| 15:31.00 | dean | bluesceada: OK; that makes sense |
| 15:31.10 | linhis | jelly-home : ok, thanks. |
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| 15:31.43 | void_ | Isn't there some program which is actually made for mirroring a webpage correctly without all kinds of silly options in a bread first way? |
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| 15:32.06 | jelly-home | gives bluesceada_ a Ctrl key to replace his Strg |
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| 15:32.15 | void_ | Or which for example shows a graphical tree while it is downloading such that you can prune in real time? |
| 15:32.29 | dean | void_: wget is breadth first |
| 15:32.41 | bluesceada_ | jelly-home: Oops, forgot the language in that part .... Sorry! |
| 15:32.49 | karldd | Is there a way to get rid of grub and put the hdd in its original state so it is just ignored during bootup? |
| 15:32.57 | void_ | dean: but wget doesn't work. I wrote a program using wget which does this based on wget, but it already stops after just a few webpages. |
| 15:33.07 | void_ | dean: I can paste (it did work for another website) |
| 15:33.10 | jelly-home | karldd: there has to be _something_ in the master boot sector code |
| 15:33.22 | bluesceada_ | void_: what does exactly not work |
| 15:33.25 | dean | void_: OK show me the pastebin |
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| 15:33.35 | jelly-home | karldd: what are you trying to acomplish? |
| 15:33.37 | RideExile1 | So i have this laptop that has a broken screen. And i've been trying to install debian on it somehow, and a week later and i still have had no luck. |
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| 15:33.42 | karldd | well i tried dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdX bs=446 count=1 |
| 15:34.04 | dean | void_: the website might block wget by user-agent |
| 15:34.05 | void_ | bluesceada_: I want to download http://www3.finances.gouv.fr/calcul_impot/2010/simplifie/index.htm 3 levels deep. |
| 15:34.13 | void_ | dean: see my coming paste. |
| 15:34.16 | karldd | jelly-home: i'm trying to make the bios skip the hdd on bootup |
| 15:34.23 | bluesceada_ | void_: and what does wget not do right? |
| 15:34.25 | karldd | like it does when you first get a clean hdd |
| 15:34.41 | karldd | i know i can just change boot order in the bios |
| 15:34.44 | RideExile1 | it has a HDMI and VGA out but i can't get it to show up and its driving me nuts... |
| 15:35.00 | void_ | dean: http://paste.debian.net/74515/ |
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| 15:35.35 | void_ | bluesceada_: it doesn't download the information requires to make the javascript popups work. |
| 15:35.53 | jelly-home | RideExile1: do you have a manual for that model? There's often a Fn-something combo to enable external or dual output |
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| 15:36.30 | RideExile1 | I don't. I bought it off someone for 30 bucks ha because i thought i would be able to use it for something. |
| 15:36.46 | RideExile1 | I tried talking to support at HP but they were pretty usesless. |
| 15:36.52 | jelly-home | doorstop! |
| 15:37.03 | RideExile1 | haha |
| 15:37.07 | bluesceada_ | void_: ew, okay, it's not made for dynamic content |
| 15:37.08 | RideExile1 | starting to think so. |
| 15:37.10 | karldd | jelly-home: understand what i'm trying to do? |
| 15:37.33 | jelly-home | karldd: yes |
| 15:37.43 | dean | http://wget.addictivecode.org/FeatureSpecifications/JavaScript |
| 15:38.18 | RideExile1 | I tried to install it over ssh but i can't select the right choices haha i even tried running the installer in vm and mimiced the choices on the laptop but i |
| 15:38.26 | RideExile1 | it didn't work * ha |
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| 15:38.57 | _ke | does anyone know if its possible to install only tinydns of the dbndns package as dnscache doesnt seem to work that good |
| 15:39.05 | void_ | dean: ok, so basically it doesn't exist yet and certainly will not be in official wget (not that I care about that) |
| 15:39.25 | dean | yeah |
| 15:39.35 | jelly-home | RideExile1: you might pull the HDD out, install in a different machine, then plug it back in |
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| 15:40.08 | RideExile1 | i do have another laptop it might work, but would the hardware be to different? |
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| 15:40.33 | jelly-home | RideExile1: debian will usually boot with different hardware |
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| 15:40.46 | RideExile1 | guesss i'll have to try it then haha. |
| 15:41.11 | RideExile1 | thanks jelly-home i guess i just needed the reassurance haha |
| 15:41.13 | void_ | Are there any numbers on having a generic kernel versus a highly specific one in terms of boot time? |
| 15:41.50 | dean | void_ there are some other mirroring tools in the repositories -- don't know if they support javascript. |
| 15:41.57 | jelly-home | RideExile1: your keyboard is making extra "ha"s at the ends of your lines, better check that out |
| 15:42.16 | RideExi1e1 | Ok haha |
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| 15:42.24 | RideExile1 | i'm actually laughing twice |
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| 15:46.36 | poisonbit | which package had an "alternative calendar" that had dates in a non standar calendar? some freak dates like "today is the third moon of bla bla"... i can't remember/find the name |
| 15:47.06 | tarkaram | I use a USB stick for wireless internet access, the connection drops intermittently and each time the connection drops, I have remove the USB and plug it back in. After I do that, I run dhclient ra0 to get an IP to continue working. I was wondering if there is a way the USB to acquire an IP once I plug it back in. My /etc/networking file doesnt have the ra0 interface |
| 15:47.45 | obreiro | hi people |
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| 15:54.01 | wols_ | tarkaram: do you use network-manager? |
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| 15:55.31 | tarkaram | wols_: no, I tried in the past but it doesnt seem to recoginize the wirless networks |
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| 15:56.50 | Ziber | where's the sudoers file on debian? |
| 15:57.09 | wols_ | tarkaram: if no network manager and no /etc/network/interfaces, how do you get your wlan interface up? |
| 15:57.21 | wols_ | Ziber: same place like any other distro |
| 15:57.34 | wols_ | Ziber: /etc |
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| 16:06.19 | arezey | guys - i'm in the middle of updating grub-legacy to grub2 |
| 16:06.43 | arezey | it's extracting a command line to do the chain-upgrade and is displaying it to me for verifying |
| 16:06.54 | arezey | problem is that the command line is empty and i have no idea about grub chainloads |
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| 16:06.59 | arezey | anybody aware what's it supposed to be? |
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| 16:10.03 | arezey | ah well - decided to leave it empty and not do the chain-upgrade. i guess it won't break much.. |
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| 16:25.57 | wildc4rd | evenin' all! |
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| 16:36.44 | compaq | afternoon sir |
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| 16:38.21 | mcl0vin | question: i have compiled lirc-0.8.7pre1 , but now i want to remove any trace of it how can i do that the safe way please? |
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| 16:38.55 | jhutchins_lt | mcl0vin: I presume you didn't just compile, you used make to install it as well? |
| 16:38.58 | babilen | mcl0vin: you mean you have compiled it from source and installed it into /usr or what? |
| 16:39.23 | mcl0vin | yes ' make && make install |
| 16:40.48 | babilen | mcl0vin: A "make uninstall" might work (if the authors implemented that) - apart from that â manually delete the files |
| 16:40.53 | jhutchins_lt | mcl0vin: 1) make uninstall - if you're lucky. 2) read the install log (if it created one) and undo what it did. 3) read the install target in the make file, reverse whatever that did. |
| 16:40.59 | babilen | mcl0vin: /usr or /usr/local ? |
| 16:41.18 | babilen | !tell mcl0vin about usrlocal |
| 16:41.24 | babilen | !tell mcl0vin about stow |
| 16:41.54 | babilen | mcl0vin: You might want to read about /usr/local and stow |
| 16:44.05 | mcl0vin | i will thank you |
| 16:44.57 | jhutchins_lt | mcl0vin: also /msg dpkg uupdate |
| 16:45.09 | mcl0vin | looks like 'make uninstall worked' :) |
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| 16:50.35 | babilen | mcl0vin: great |
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| 16:54.49 | elnur | Can I create a user and give her SSH access to my server so that she can't access anything that is not in her home dir? |
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| 16:55.40 | peterrooney | elnur: /msg dpkg chroot |
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| 16:57.36 | elnur | peterrooney, basically, chroot, right? |
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| 16:57.53 | Appetite | elnur: that's what he/she jus tsaid |
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| 16:58.31 | elnur | Appetite, he/she said to me: /msg dpkg chroot ;) |
| 16:58.45 | Appetite | yeah, to get more info about chroot incase you didn't already know |
| 16:59.32 | elnur | peterrooney, Appetite, got it. thanks. |
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| 17:07.45 | mino | hi |
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| 17:08.28 | mino | rsync makes me crazy :( i synced first with rsync -aHAXh to get a complete backup, but a later sync with a new folder in the source, doesnt show it in the destination. Which paramter is needed for the creation of new folders ? |
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| 17:09.19 | nsadmin | that's not in man rsync |
| 17:09.21 | nsadmin | ? |
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| 17:10.37 | mino | man rsync is huge! I looked into many times, but i havent seen what i'm doing wrong. I thought that -aHAXh should be fine. |
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| 17:11.28 | nsadmin | usually man pages are shown by less if you have it... which has a search function |
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| 17:12.04 | mino | nsadmin: i searched through it. |
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| 17:13.00 | xperia | hello to all. anybody know a good step by step howto for installing debian on a proliant ML530 Server ? searched the net but could not find anything. |
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| 17:15.05 | abrotman | xperia: what's wrong with the normal netinst ? |
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| 17:15.44 | Appetite | What is the best way to do what a bsd jail does? dpkg says LXC, but i've never heard of it, is that what people normally use, or what? |
| 17:15.55 | Appetite | or debootstrap/chroot? |
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| 17:15.57 | peterrooney | xperia: is there anything going wrong with a standard install? |
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| 17:16.58 | StefanNET | hey ppl how to adduser with pw?? i mean adduser username -p randompw |
| 17:17.05 | StefanNET | that not work and my quetsion is why? |
| 17:17.26 | wols_ | !tell StefanNET about doesn't work |
| 17:17.29 | Appetite | just do plain "adduser" and go thorugh the dialogue StefanNET ? |
| 17:17.44 | StefanNET | yea i do that |
| 17:17.49 | StefanNET | and see -p is for passwprd |
| 17:17.54 | abrotman | StefanNET: why doesn't it work ? |
| 17:17.57 | StefanNET | but adduser username -p pw not wprk |
| 17:17.59 | Appetite | adduser MyUser |
| 17:18.02 | StefanNET | ino |
| 17:18.07 | StefanNET | dont want passwd MyUser |
| 17:18.12 | Appetite | when it asks for password, tell it the password? |
| 17:18.13 | StefanNET | want to add user with pw in one line.. |
| 17:18.19 | Appetite | ah, ok. |
| 17:18.25 | wols_ | StefanNET: please show me the line in adduser's manpage where to tells you about -p |
| 17:18.46 | StefanNET | -p, --password PASSWORD use encrypted password for the new user |
| 17:18.46 | StefanNET | account |
| 17:18.48 | Appetite | StefanNET: you do realize that -p should be given the encrypted password of the new acc, right? |
| 17:18.53 | Appetite | not plaintext |
| 17:19.02 | StefanNET | ah :S |
| 17:19.09 | StefanNET | so how to do plain text except passwD? |
| 17:19.17 | wols_ | Appetite: I can't find that option in my adduser manpage at all. and I looked |
| 17:19.33 | Appetite | i dont think you can, StefanNET, just encrypt it |
| 17:19.38 | Appetite | wols_: can't find what option? |
| 17:19.42 | wols_ | -p |
| 17:19.45 | Appetite | wols_: -p is in useradd |
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| 17:20.01 | Appetite | StefanNET: also, yeah, didn't think about that, are you using useradd or adduser? |
| 17:20.07 | StefanNET | useradd |
| 17:20.10 | Appetite | k. |
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| 17:20.13 | wols_ | sunday. the idiots are on leave from the asylum |
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| 17:20.22 | Appetite | wols_: hm? |
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| 17:20.46 | StefanNET | The programs included with the Debian GNU/Linux system are free software; |
| 17:21.28 | wols_ | Appetite: he talks about adduser, I ask him about adduser and he responds with useradd stuff. see the problem? |
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| 17:21.41 | Appetite | ah, yah i do wols_ ;p |
| 17:21.53 | StefanNET | adduser |
| 17:21.53 | StefanNET | adduser: Only one or two names allowed. |
| 17:22.01 | Appetite | StefanNET: you just said you are using useradd |
| 17:22.04 | Appetite | rolls eyes |
| 17:22.08 | nsadmin | mino: does date match on both machines? |
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| 17:22.09 | xperia | abrotman: peterrooney: i have installed debian till yet always on PC and Laptops with screen now i have a real server with no screen and dont know the needed steps. i have alck of experience how to do that need a step by step instructions |
| 17:22.16 | Appetite | wols_: what's the mkpasswd command in debian? i can't remember |
| 17:22.34 | jhutchins_lt | http://tldp.org/LDP/sag/html/index.html |
| 17:22.41 | StefanNET | helps? |
| 17:22.42 | abrotman | xperia: instructions to do what? |
| 17:22.46 | abrotman | !tell xperia about grounding |
| 17:22.48 | wols_ | peterrooney: mkpasswd... |
| 17:22.50 | jhutchins_lt | I believe that describes how to do batch user creation. |
| 17:23.09 | wols_ | sorry peterrooney. wrong nick |
| 17:23.12 | nsadmin | you would use newusers and a data file |
| 17:23.23 | Appetite | wols_: ah, that's odd, it's telling me command not found, lol |
| 17:23.51 | xperia | the best way installing debian on a proliant ml530. i have cdrom and network but i dont know how to acess the server to controll the installation |
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| 17:24.07 | wols_ | Appetite: part of the whois package. don't ask me why... |
| 17:24.10 | xperia | abrotman: the best way installing debian on a proliant ml530. i have cdrom and network but i dont know how to acess the server to controll the installation |
| 17:24.18 | Appetite | ah, ok wols_ , thanks lol |
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| 17:24.25 | abrotman | xperia: you odn't have a monitor to hook up to it ? |
| 17:24.33 | wols_ | ,file /usr/bin/passwd |
| 17:24.36 | judd | /usr/bin/passwd in lenny/i386: passwd: usr/bin/passwd |
| 17:24.39 | xperia | abrotman: no |
| 17:24.39 | wols_ | ,file /usr/bin/mkpasswd |
| 17:24.40 | judd | /usr/bin/mkpasswd in lenny/i386: whois: usr/bin/mkpasswd |
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| 17:24.52 | nsadmin | I'd say borrow one |
| 17:24.56 | abrotman | xperia: you don't have one at all? or it's just not attached ? |
| 17:25.19 | xperia | abrotman: i dont have one at all. only laptops here |
| 17:25.42 | StefanNET | so howto to do it? |
| 17:25.47 | arezey | is there a way to know what driver is "operating" a specific device? |
| 17:25.50 | Appetite | memorize the sequence of keyboard presses to install it xperia ;p |
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| 17:26.05 | xperia | Appetite: ha ha ha very funny |
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| 17:26.22 | xperia | i dont even have a keyboard to use on this Server |
| 17:26.22 | wols_ | !tell xperia about ssh install |
| 17:26.35 | StefanNET | !tell |
| 17:26.54 | StefanNET | !tell StefanNET |
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| 17:27.05 | StefanNET | !tell StefanNET -?about |
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| 17:27.15 | StefanNET | !tell StefanNET useradd |
| 17:27.21 | StefanNET | !tell StefanNET adduser |
| 17:27.23 | StefanNET | help |
| 17:27.23 | StefanNET | ? |
| 17:27.25 | xperia | wols: thanks for the tip. this ssh install looks very promissing |
| 17:27.30 | nsadmin | !selftell |
| 17:27.30 | dpkg | Please do not use the bot's !tell feature on #debian to see factoids for yourself (!tell me about something). Doing so could be considered spam. Instead, send a private message to the bot (dpkg) containing the factoid you want to read. For example, instead of "!tell me about foo", use "/msg dpkg foo". See also <msg the bot> |
| 17:27.33 | beardy | !botmasg |
| 17:27.38 | beardy | !botmsg |
| 17:27.38 | dpkg | talk to me in /msg unless there is a reason to do it in the channel |
| 17:27.39 | peterrooney | xperia: might be interesting (and helpful) to look at http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/WebInstaller |
| 17:27.46 | xperia | wols_: thanks for the tip. this ssh install looks very promissing |
| 17:28.12 | xperia | peterrooney: thanks too for this web install tip ! |
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| 17:44.11 | webonaut | grub is killing me, next time I'll install lilo, it's just easier :-D |
| 17:44.51 | webonaut | I just simply want to install grub on sdb to boot from sdb1 as /boot and sdb3 as /... I copied an existing linux from disk sda to sdb first |
| 17:47.47 | abrotman | grub is pretty easy |
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| 17:49.10 | webonaut | abrotman: i chroot to the new / mount /boot and grub-install /dev/sdb |
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| 17:49.26 | webonaut | abrotman: now I get "cannot find a grub driver for /dev/sdb" |
| 17:49.29 | abrotman | webonaut: did you bind mount /dev/ ? |
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| 17:51.53 | xoz | !grubchroot |
| 17:51.53 | dpkg | you'd need to exit chroot, remount / rw, then mount your chroot target, then mount --bind /proc /target/proc, mount --bind /dev /target/dev, then chroot /mnt/point |
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| 17:56.51 | webonaut | ok I found the problem |
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| 17:57.38 | abrotman | the problem? |
| 17:57.44 | webonaut | devicelist was old, had to grub-mk.... |
| 17:58.17 | Xunie | When I call socket( PF_INET, SOCK_RAW, IPPROTO_UDP ) as my user, I get -1 (error) while if I call it as root I get a valid socket descriptor. |
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| 17:58.38 | Xunie | So, did I "deny" my user access to raw socket access? Or am I just being... a noob? |
| 18:01.12 | lindi- | Xunie: you need root privileges or some capability for raw sockets |
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| 18:01.36 | Xunie | I can't allow a certain user to use raw sockets? |
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| 18:02.12 | Diabolic | I'm trying to install Debian from USB-stick. But it fails upon detecting CD-ROM early in the install process. I have no CD-ROM. What can I do about it? |
| 18:02.28 | abrotman | tarzsurenowhe'snotaroundfigures |
| 18:02.39 | Diabolic | I created the bootable USB with unetbootin. |
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| 18:05.04 | StefanNET | how to adduser with password in same line? without passwd user..? |
| 18:05.23 | abrotman | StefanNET: you were already told ? |
| 18:05.26 | Appetite | useradd $user -p `mkpasswd $pass` |
| 18:05.29 | Appetite | StefanNET: ^ |
| 18:05.48 | abrotman | oh, different person, sorry |
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| 18:07.23 | SL | hi |
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| 18:08.46 | SL | I have a strage problem with dpkg-source: If I want to create a orig.tar from a source directory with "dpkg-source -b dir" it fails with the error msg "dpkg-source: error: can't build with source format '3.0 (quilt)': no orig.tar file found". |
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| 18:35.04 | rzeka | How was it to chenge image's width and height? "convert -size 100x100 bigimg.jpg converted.jpg" ? |
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| 18:40.09 | brick | [!!] Partition disks: The attempt to mount a file system with type ext2 ... failed... Do you want to resume partitioning? |
| 18:40.26 | brick | how can i see the failure itself? the ash shell doesn't seem to know about mkfs.ext2 anf fsck |
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| 18:50.05 | arezey | is there a way to know what driver is operating a device? |
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| 18:50.36 | brick | arezey, frequently the driver will have said so in syslog/dmesg output |
| 18:50.41 | abrotman | arezey: lspci -k |
| 18:50.51 | arezey | thansk |
| 18:50.54 | arezey | thanks * |
| 18:51.28 | arezey | lspci -k gives it:) |
| 18:51.33 | arezey | gives it :) * |
| 18:51.36 | Bushmills | rzekA: -resize #imagemagick |
| 18:51.38 | abrotman | like i would lie ... |
| 18:51.42 | arezey | heh |
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| 18:52.50 | arezey | oh and ehh |
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| 18:53.24 | arezey | in the installer cd, if the installer fails to find the network card it gives a list of possibilities |
| 18:53.42 | arezey | i suppose it's trying to find the plausible network card right? which one makes it use sky2? |
| 18:53.53 | arezey | marvell isn't listed there |
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| 18:54.55 | arezey | which one makes it use the sky2 driver * |
| 18:55.12 | poisonbit | lsmod | grep eth ? or dmesg | grep -iE '(eth|wlan)' ? |
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| 18:56.04 | poisonbit | modprobe -l | grep sky2 ? |
| 18:56.27 | arezey | no i meant in the installer list of network cards |
| 18:56.33 | craigevil | http://wiki.debian.org/sky2 |
| 18:56.36 | arezey | i'd want to know which one i need to select to make debian use sky2 |
| 18:57.02 | arezey | hmm, maybe D-Link is there. appears it uses sky2 too |
| 18:57.30 | poisonbit | ctrl + alt + f2, enter, gmesh | grep sky2 |
| 18:57.38 | poisonbit | sorry: ctrl + alt + f2, enter, dmesh | grep sky2 |
| 18:57.39 | abrotman | arezey: which one what? |
| 18:57.54 | poisonbit | sorry again: ctrl + alt + f2, enter, dmesg | grep sky2 |
| 18:58.08 | arezey | if the installer cd does not find the network card, it gives a list of them and needs you to find one |
| 18:58.28 | arezey | my network card is a marvel - which isn't listed there - and i'd need to know which option there makes it use sky2 |
| 18:58.35 | arezey | as sky2 is the driver i'm using.. |
| 18:58.50 | arezey | i'm deducing that if i make it assume i'm using a network card similar enough it'll work |
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| 18:59.15 | abrotman | arezey: if it's capable of driving that card it will .. |
| 18:59.31 | arezey | hmm |
| 18:59.43 | arezey | is sky2 included in the debian distro then %_% |
| 19:00.29 | poisonbit | modprobe -l | grep sky2 will tell you if there is a sky2.ko in your system/installer |
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| 19:01.22 | poisonbit | I don't understand... debian-installer does _not_ detect the card? or detect it as sky2 while other kernels detect it as marvel ? |
| 19:01.53 | arezey | it doesn't detect my ethernet card, apparently |
| 19:02.00 | abrotman | !sky2 |
| 19:02.00 | dpkg | somebody said sky2 was the Marvell Yukon 2 Gigabit Ethernet driver, supported devices are listed at http://wiki.debian.org/sky2 . See also <88e8059>. |
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| 19:02.05 | abrotman | arezey: it's possible your NIC is too new |
| 19:02.25 | arezey | i got this computer at december '08 |
| 19:02.51 | arezey | card lspci entry is 02:00.0 Ethernet controller: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. Device 4357 (rev 10) |
| 19:02.53 | poisonbit | lenny installer ? |
| 19:02.56 | arezey | yup |
| 19:03.19 | poisonbit | maybe you need the kmuto backported installer, or the squeeze++ installer |
| 19:03.56 | abrotman | arezey: lspci -nn is more useful |
| 19:04.05 | arezey | 02:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. Device [11ab:4357] (rev 10) |
| 19:04.21 | abrotman | judd: pciid 11ab:4357 |
| 19:04.22 | judd | [11ab:4357] is 'Unknown device' from 'Marvell Technology Group Ltd.' with kernel module 'sky2' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=11ab:4357 http://wiki.debian.org/sky2 |
| 19:04.29 | abrotman | says it should work .. |
| 19:04.32 | compaq | I use gnome without panels, but I seem to have a panel item on the desktop, the applet area, show the network applet, and when I load xchat it goes there too |
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| 19:04.34 | arezey | weird |
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| 19:04.57 | brick | how the fuck do i make any progress in the installer when it doesn't reveal WHY mount failed? |
| 19:05.11 | brick | i must have tried every menu option by now and am still stuck at partitioning stage |
| 19:05.31 | poisonbit | brick, lvm? dd your mbr in tty2 and try again |
| 19:05.36 | compaq | I am worried if I delete wrong thing in sessions, I wont be able to get it back |
| 19:05.51 | brick | poisonbit, i did not enable LVM, would it help? |
| 19:05.56 | compaq | brick, take a chill pill |
| 19:06.34 | brick | well, i got as far as reformatting my working ubuntu install... |
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| 19:06.51 | arezey | i'll go take another look in the installer. hopefully i can dig something up |
| 19:06.52 | poisonbit | brick, a clean mbr may help |
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| 19:07.01 | poisonbit | partman try to read it an load components |
| 19:07.15 | brick | thanks poisonbit, the next step might indeed be to give up on my XP partition and start fresh |
| 19:07.16 | poisonbit | if it's clean you will start as like a virgin disk |
| 19:07.28 | brick | i was hoping not to erase that but i will if that's what it takes. |
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| 19:08.06 | poisonbit | mmm If you've XP etc, try first to partition with gparted livecd or something like |
| 19:08.24 | poisonbit | then in the installer, just use the existing partitions |
| 19:09.24 | brick | i think i got into all this because ubuntu was on an ext3 logical partition and i thought it would be better to put debian on an ext2 primary partition (solid-state disk, noatime) |
| 19:09.37 | magnux | Hello everone |
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| 19:09.56 | brick | the busybox shell is less than totally useful without fsck |
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| 19:10.02 | abrotman | /nick assoflife |
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| 19:11.59 | anlmat | I am considering buying a new ATI graphics card and want to know if there are any issues with the 5750, 5770, or 5850 models? |
| 19:12.16 | abrotman | issues in what way ? |
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| 19:12.20 | arezey | owkay i got it now |
| 19:12.32 | arezey | i had mixed up my .isos and accidentally made an etch disk instead of a lenny one. |
| 19:12.41 | abrotman | eww .. delete the etch one |
| 19:12.59 | anlmat | Like 3D driver problems or just driver problems? |
| 19:13.50 | arezey | and etch doesn't have sky2. |
| 19:14.48 | arezey | k now for a shower and let the download finish and then burn a new cd and then try again... thanks guys |
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| 19:15.05 | thb|Ou7 | Beach! |
| 19:15.59 | anlmat | No troubles with the ATI drivers in Debian? Does it auto-detect the ATI cards like it auto-detects my NVIDIA card? |
| 19:17.36 | maligor | debian doesn't have any autodetection like that afaik |
| 19:18.21 | poisonbit | I've an old radeon on a thinkpad and it runs fine with sarge, eth, lenny and squeeze xorg versions |
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| 19:18.39 | poisonbit | an nvidia on a iMac, and it runs fine with a binary blob |
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| 19:19.00 | maligor | anlmat, biggest issue you might have is that the binary blob driver in stable is way too old to suppot hd 5000 |
| 19:19.14 | maligor | testing/sid does have the latest |
| 19:19.23 | anlmat | maligor: Ok. Thank you. |
| 19:19.31 | maligor | and the opensource drivers on hd 5000 atm have no acceleration atall for 2d or 3d |
| 19:19.36 | qwd | Anyone know how to make Iceweasel use Google with https for the "I'm feeling lucky" feature? I set keyword.URL to https://www.google.com/webhp?hl=en#hl=en&source=hp&q= but that didn't help |
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| 19:24.17 | JasonWoof | hey all, I just did a fresh (net) install, then changed my /etc/apt/sources.list to testing (s/lenny/testing/g). I got part-way though apt-get dist-upgrade, and now I'm stuck |
| 19:24.33 | JasonWoof | udev won't upgrade, because it says I need a newer running kernel to do the upgrade |
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| 19:24.45 | JasonWoof | but I get an error message about udev conflicts when I try to update the kernel |
| 19:24.58 | abrotman | JasonWoof: you did it wrong |
| 19:25.13 | dvs | JasonWoof: first, use "aptitude full-upgrade". |
| 19:25.14 | abrotman | !tell JasonWoof about lenny->squeeze |
| 19:25.16 | JasonWoof | figgers, can I fix it? or should I re-install |
| 19:25.25 | abrotman | JasonWoof: why not just use the squeeze netinst to start with ? |
| 19:26.21 | zer0x | Hi all, has anyone had any problems with OpenGL on squeeze with Intel 945GM? everything seems ok, but games such as tremulous/openarena just give me a blank screen with sound? |
| 19:26.24 | zer0x | 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03) |
| 19:26.27 | zer0x | direct rendering: Yes |
| 19:26.29 | zer0x | OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI Intel(R) 945GM GEM 20091221 2009Q4 x86/MMX/SSE2 |
| 19:26.30 | JasonWoof | abrotman: oh, didn't know there was one |
| 19:27.04 | abrotman | JasonWoof: yes, but if you read the error you're getting, it does give you a workaround IIRC |
| 19:27.14 | JasonWoof | dvs: thanks, running that, I'll report back when it finishes |
| 19:27.18 | abrotman | JasonWoof: though 1) you should bve using 'squeeze', not 'testing' 2) use aptitude |
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| 19:30.46 | JasonWoof | dvs: ok, that asked me twice, then ran, then returned 55 |
| 19:31.36 | JasonWoof | here's the message that seems important to me: since release 150, udev requires that support for the CONFIG_SYSFS_DEPRICATED feature is disabled in the running kernel. Please upgrade your kernel before or while upgrading udev |
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| 19:32.00 | dvs | JasonWoof: Well, the error message says it all. |
| 19:32.33 | JasonWoof | yep. So how do I upgrade my kernel? |
| 19:32.54 | dvs | JasonWoof: /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze |
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| 19:33.46 | JasonWoof | I tried apt-get install linux-image-2.6.32-3-686, but I get dependancy errors that libpisock9 breaks udev and libudev0 depends udev |
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| 19:34.11 | JasonWoof | I also tried for the older 2.6.30-2-686 |
| 19:34.16 | dvs | JasonWoof: Did you do aptitude install aptitude first? |
| 19:34.33 | wols_ | !udev squeeze |
| 19:34.34 | dpkg | As of <udev> 150 in squeeze, Linux kernel 2.6.27 or newer is required (i.e. upgrade kernel and udev at the same time). If udev installation fails and you already have a squeeze kernel installed, then reboot into the new kernel and "aptitude -f install ; aptitude safe-upgrade" to continue. <squeeze kernel> <kernel abi>, or http://bugs.debian.org/571255 |
| 19:35.14 | wols_ | JasonWoof: and the backports kernel should always work. and even if not: if you want to run testing you should know how to correct conflicts like the one you described |
| 19:35.16 | abrotman | JasonWoof: use aptitude |
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| 19:42.20 | Wr4i7h | hey, is there a key combo that i can use in the linux console to insert an arbitrary character by its ascii code or unicode codepoint? |
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| 19:44.02 | RideExile1 | jelly-home: hey i ended up installing debian on a diff laptop with that harddrive and it worked like a charm. ha thanks |
| 19:44.04 | JasonWoof | Wr4i7h: I don't know of one, but you can get most values from 0-255 with some combination of alt shift control and normal ascii keys |
| 19:44.24 | jelly-home | RideExile1: cheers |
| 19:44.30 | Wr4i7h | thanks JasonWoof |
| 19:45.05 | Galaxor | Hi. I've got Lenny installed. It appears that the latest version of sun-java6-jre is 6-12. I'm trying to run freenet, which insists that 6-12 has a horrible security vulnerability and demands that I upgrade to 6-15. What... what do I do? |
| 19:45.41 | Galaxor | And if it's that horrible of a security vulnerability, why is there not a new package out? |
| 19:45.46 | mnuhmnuh | Galaxor: backports? |
| 19:46.39 | Galaxor | mnuhmnuh: Is a bot supposed to explain how to use the backports system to me now? |
| 19:47.10 | dvs | !tell Galaxor -about backports |
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| 19:47.30 | dvs | if you insist |
| 19:48.06 | Galaxor | Cool, thanks. |
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| 19:48.26 | JasonWoof | dvs, abrotman: thanks for the help! following dpkg (the bot) advice to the letter seems to be working. I got the kernel upgraded, and now upgrades seem to be working |
| 19:48.43 | dvs | cool, np |
| 19:48.57 | JasonWoof | thanks to dvs for helping me realise that I missed part of a command from dpkg bot |
| 19:49.19 | mnuhmnuh | Galaxor: sorry, won't work. 6-12 is latest I see. |
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| 19:50.19 | mnuhmnuh | Galaxor: maybe sid? |
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| 19:52.11 | Galaxor | Hm. Yeah, the backports definitely didn't help. |
| 19:52.30 | Galaxor | mnuhmnuh: To use sid packages, don't I have to do a full distupgrade? |
| 19:53.16 | mnuhmnuh | Galaxor: check bugs.debian.org to see if this bug really matters. fixed, maybe? |
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| 19:53.52 | jelly-home | Galaxor: you don't want to use sid packages just like that (and whoever's suggesting it should know better) |
| 19:53.59 | jelly-home | instead, |
| 19:54.00 | jelly-home | !ssb |
| 19:54.00 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old |
| 19:54.19 | jelly-home | make an own backport |
| 19:54.49 | wols_ | backporting java? sun java? |
| 19:54.57 | jelly-home | sure |
| 19:55.06 | Galaxor | wols_: Yeah, sun java. |
| 19:55.30 | jelly-home | that's one exception that just might be installable as-is |
| 19:55.39 | mnuhmnuh | Galaxor: some run sid apps, but you've got to know what you're doing. i don't. |
| 19:55.45 | jelly-home | ,versions sun-java6-jdk |
| 19:55.46 | judd | sun-java6-jdk -- etch-backports/non-free: 6-07-3~bpo40+1; lenny/non-free: 6-12-1; squeeze/non-free: 6.20-dlj-1; sid/non-free: 6.20-dlj-3 |
| 19:56.18 | jelly-home | ,depends sun-java6-jdk --release sid |
| 19:56.20 | judd | sun-java6-jdk -- depends: sun-java6-bin (>= 6.20-dlj-3), libc6, libx11-6. |
| 19:56.27 | jelly-home | ,depends sun-java6-bin --release sid |
| 19:56.30 | judd | sun-java6-bin -- depends: sun-java6-jre (>= 6.20-dlj-3), unixodbc, libc6. |
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| 19:56.39 | jelly-home | %$# |
| 19:56.40 | mnuhmnuh | Galaxor: you could always build from sources and install in /usr/local |
| 19:56.43 | ravenbird | jelly-home: Have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
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| 19:56.51 | abrotman | hehe |
| 19:56.53 | ScottG | Does the Debian kernel come with ipv6 built in? I am doing lsmod and it isn't showing up but I think I may be having ipv6 problems |
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| 19:56.55 | jelly-home | ,depends sun-java6-jre --release sid |
| 19:56.56 | judd | sun-java6-jre -- depends: java-common (>= 0.24), locales, sun-java6-bin (>= 6.20-dlj-1) | ia32-sun-java6-bin (>= 6.20-dlj-1). |
| 19:57.03 | mnuhmnuh | Galaxor: better, tarball. |
| 19:57.13 | jelly-home | ,versions java-common |
| 19:57.14 | judd | java-common -- etch: 0.25; lenny: 0.30; sid: 0.36; squeeze: 0.36 |
| 19:57.21 | mnuhmnuh | Galaxor: better, tarballed binary. |
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| 19:57.44 | OperaFan | Hi, I am using Debian squeeze, and I need mp4box (which I believe is in a package called gpac), however when I try and install gpac, I get this error: "gpac: Depends: libfaad0 (>= 2.6.1) but it is not installable" How can I resolve this problem? (arm arch) |
| 19:58.01 | abrotman | OperaFan: make sure you do an 'aptitude update' first |
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| 19:58.08 | jelly-home | Galaxor: well it looks like the sun-java6-* packages from sid might just work, but there's a good numver of them |
| 19:58.09 | abrotman | judd: arches libfaad0 |
| 19:58.10 | judd | libfaad0 in lenny: alpha (2.6.1-3.1); amd64 (2.6.1-3.1); arm (2.6.1-3.1); armel (2.6.1-3.1); hppa (2.6.1-3.1); i386 (2.6.1-3.1); ia64 (2.6.1-3.1); mips (2.6.1-3.1); mipsel (2.6.1-3.1); powerpc (2.6.1-3.1); s390 (2.6.1-3.1); sparc (2.6.1-3.1) |
| 19:58.21 | abrotman | oh crap |
| 19:58.25 | abrotman | judd: arches libfaad0 --release squeeze |
| 19:58.25 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'libfaad0' was found. |
| 19:58.27 | abrotman | uh oh |
| 19:58.55 | abrotman | OperaFan: looks like squeeze now has libfaad2 .. the gpad needs to be recompiled i'd guess |
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| 19:58.59 | akez | Hello. I would like to know how can i config my eth0 to get an ip adress using dhcp. I have a router connected to my server and i tryed to configure mannualy my ip adress according with gw and dns that are router ip but is not working so, I want to know how can i config my eth0 to obtain via dhcp an ip from my router! |
| 19:59.00 | abrotman | or repackaged |
| 19:59.48 | Galaxor | jelly-home: Hm. This is looking pretty complicated. I'm not sure what to do now. Should I do the deb-src from sid, or download the sid binary packages individually and install them from dpkg by hand? Should I download the stuff from sun and install it to /opt? |
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| 19:59.56 | jelly-home | abrotman: or he might nick that one package from lenny and hope for the best |
| 20:00.13 | OperaFan | so i'm stuffed basically? |
| 20:00.23 | abrotman | jelly-home: there is no 'gpac' package in debian anyways |
| 20:00.31 | jelly-home | Galaxor: forget deb-src, doesn't make much sense with java. download the bunch manually and install with dpkg -i |
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| 20:00.46 | Galaxor | jelly-home: Okay, sounds good. Thanks. |
| 20:00.50 | OperaFan | I might be picking it up from debian-multimedia repo |
| 20:01.07 | jelly-home | Galaxor: if you like packages, that is. If you don't care, and are able to set PATH and JAVA_HOME yourself, use upstream tarball |
| 20:01.13 | abrotman | OperaFan: put your sources.list in a pastebin |
| 20:01.17 | OperaFan | arches libfaad0 --release lenny |
| 20:01.37 | jelly-home | OperaFan: judd would know if it were in d-m |
| 20:01.50 | benjamindees | so, I'm curious, in Gnome... why are there three different utilities to configure my touchpad, none of which actually work? |
| 20:02.04 | Galaxor | jelly-home: I think I like patches for this. Java is kind of mysterious to me, and I wouldn't want to get myself in a bind by trying to use upstream. Maybe it's not that hard, but I'd rather not find out if I don't have to. |
| 20:02.05 | jelly-home | OperaFan: you need to address it with a comma, or its nick |
| 20:02.17 | OperaFan | http://pastebin.com/zsyKPzLi |
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| 20:02.48 | Galaxor | Normally, I can see the philosophy of having stable, rather than up-to-date, packages, but where security fixes are concerned, I prefer up-to-date. |
| 20:02.52 | abrotman | OperaFan: you're using unstable normal, and stable debian-multimedia ... does that seem like a good idea ? |
| 20:03.22 | OperaFan | ahh, let me try matching them. Well spotted, you passed the test. :-) |
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| 20:03.29 | OperaFan | Certificate is in the mail |
| 20:03.40 | benjamindees | and the one that did work, seems to have been replaced with a transitional package |
| 20:03.50 | abrotman | OperaFan: if you fix the 'stable' repo, it should work |
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| 20:05.49 | zer0x | I have just found opengl apps on my Intel 945GM only blank the screen when in fullscreen mode, windowed works fine! Can anyone shed any light on this? |
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| 20:06.02 | benjamindees | I am sort of impressed that the gnome bluetooth thing sort-of almost works, though |
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| 20:09.13 | jelly-home | benjamindees: if you used ubuntu it'd have all worked out of the box! |
| 20:09.14 | jelly-home | hides |
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| 20:09.59 | benjamindees | I hate to admit it but gnome is sort of growing on me |
| 20:10.40 | abrotman | what's wrong with that ? |
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| 20:10.53 | benjamindees | nautilus is not too terrible, aside from the fact that it completely changes every 8 months or so |
| 20:10.56 | Zalithian | I think it's silly to limit yourself based on what people think about it |
| 20:10.58 | jelly-home | benjamindees: they have topical cream for that sort of thing |
| 20:11.02 | Zalithian | Use what you like :P |
| 20:11.38 | benjamindees | abrotman, it means I have to use that horrible registry thing... |
| 20:12.07 | abrotman | you don't .. have to |
| 20:12.37 | jelly-home | gconf-editor? |
| 20:12.46 | OperaFan | thanks, that seems to have gotten me pas that hurdle, I am now in Linux own dll hell. gpac want to bring in x11-common (which is bad on my embedded headless machine) |
| 20:13.06 | jelly-home | OperaFan: why would it be bad? |
| 20:13.11 | benjamindees | jelly-home, yes, eww... |
| 20:13.24 | abrotman | OperaFan: uhm .. there's not much to that package |
| 20:13.32 | benjamindees | OperaFan, it's just some docs and config files |
| 20:13.47 | lindi- | OperaFan: gpac? |
| 20:13.52 | OperaFan | http://pastebin.com/WbtEnwqq |
| 20:14.22 | OperaFan | I only want mp4box! |
| 20:14.46 | lindi- | OperaFan: there is no gpac package in debian |
| 20:14.47 | jelly-home | OperaFan: add -R to the mix |
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| 20:15.12 | lindi- | OperaFan: this is some unofficial repository? |
| 20:15.17 | jelly-home | ,versions gpac |
| 20:15.19 | judd | gpac -- etch-multimedia: 0.4.0+rc2-0.4; lenny-multimedia: 0.4.4.svn20080612-0.1lenny1; sid-multimedia: 0.4.5-0.6; squeeze-multimedia: 0.4.5-0.6 |
| 20:15.25 | lindi- | so it seems |
| 20:15.31 | Galaxor | jelly-home: Hm. That sid package didn't work out. It wants me to have a graphical browser installed, apparently, and I don't want to install X for this. Any ideas? |
| 20:15.57 | jelly-home | Galaxor: how does it "wants [you] to have a graphical browser installed" |
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| 20:16.18 | Galaxor | jelly-home: dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of sun-java6-plugin: |
| 20:16.19 | Galaxor | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:16.33 | Galaxor | Oh! That's just the plugin package. Nvm, I'll just not install that. |
| 20:16.33 | jelly-home | Galaxor: so, don't install the -plugin package |
| 20:17.03 | Galaxor | Sorry, I didn't see that till I pasted. |
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| 20:22.21 | zer0x | Does anyone here use OpenGL apps on squeeze with an Intel graphics card? |
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| 20:24.27 | wols_ | !anyone |
| 20:24.27 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
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| 20:28.09 | zer0x | Is there a problem on squeeze with fullscreen OpenGL applications not rendering on Intel graphics cards, in this case 945GM? |
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| 20:29.12 | Galaxor | Dang it, the sun-java6-jre architecture-intependent files depend on sun-java6-bin 6.20-dlj-4, which is available for amd64, but this machine is i386 only. Only sun-java6-bin 6.20-dlj-3 is available for i386, so there's no arch-independent -jre package I can install. |
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| 20:29.28 | eptalon | hello there |
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| 20:30.30 | eptalon | Sid has packages for linux-image-2.6.33-2(-amd64) and 34(-1), but they don't work because firmware-linux-free does not seem to have the correct version. |
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| 20:31.31 | mnuhmnuh | Galaxor: try upstream pkg? |
| 20:32.00 | Galaxor | mnuhmnuh: Yeah. So, ... what environment variables do I need to set, then? Is there a howto? |
| 20:32.05 | abrotman | judd: kernels |
| 20:32.06 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.33-2-686 (2.6.33-1~experimental.5); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-13); squeeze: 2.6.32-3-686 (2.6.32-9); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.4-686 (2.6.32-11~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-21lenny4); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
| 20:32.12 | abrotman | eptalon: sid doesn't have a .33 |
| 20:33.13 | eptalon | abrotman: that would explain it.. :) |
| 20:33.28 | mnuhmnuh | Galaxor: JAVA_HOME PATH? it'll be docc'd. |
| 20:33.32 | abrotman | that .. might .. explain it |
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| 20:34.38 | multi_io | I'm trying to cross-compile an i386 kernel on an x86_64 system. |
| 20:34.40 | eptalon | I have experimental mixed in, for some things, given what exerimental is, that definitely explains. |
| 20:34.49 | multi_io | I tried: make-kpkg --arch i386 --us --uc buildpackage |
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| 20:35.39 | multi_io | ..which doesn't work: dpkg-architecture: warning: Specified GNU system type i486-linux-gnu does not match gcc system type x86_64-linux-gnu. |
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| 20:36.08 | multi_io | I also get "i486-linux-gnu-gcc: command not found" |
| 20:36.26 | multi_io | my gcc can produce i386 binaries with the -m32 switch just fine. |
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| 20:41.39 | jelly-home | multi_io: an i386 chroot would do the trick |
| 20:41.58 | jelly-home | no crosscompiling there |
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| 20:42.24 | abrotman | and overall, much easier |
| 20:42.33 | multi_io | well, yeah |
| 20:43.01 | multi_io | so direct cross compilation is unsupported I guess |
| 20:43.38 | lvh | Hey. Could anyone tell me a command line tool that can turn wave files (coming in from stdlib) or raw PCM data into MP3s? |
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| 20:43.55 | jelly-home | lame? |
| 20:44.15 | jelly-home | ,info lame |
| 20:44.18 | judd | No record of package 'lame' in lenny/i386. |
| 20:44.25 | jelly-home | judd: versions lame |
| 20:44.27 | judd | lame -- etch-multimedia: 3.97-0.0; lenny-multimedia: 3.98.2-0.4; sid-multimedia: 3.98.4-0.0; squeeze-multimedia: 3.98.4-0.0 |
| 20:44.31 | lvh | lame's in debian? |
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| 20:45.03 | jelly-home | lvh: nope, it's in a well-known third-party repo |
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| 20:45.27 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell lvh about d-m |
| 20:46.38 | JordiGH | I want to build a website that sort of looks like Matlab Central. Users upload code, they discuss it, they distribute it. The idea is to rival Matlab Central but make it more Octave-oriented. I'm looking for suggestions on what CMS to use to get started. |
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| 20:46.58 | JordiGH | I think I'm happy to tray anything except Ruby on Rails, because that Rubygems insanity cannot stand. |
| 20:47.12 | jelly-home | stand on what? |
| 20:47.19 | jelly-home | Zanzibar? |
| 20:47.21 | Galaxor | What's the best way to add /opt/java to PATH system-wide? I'd put it in /etc/environment, but I only want to ADD to PATH, not replace it. Does it work like that? |
| 20:47.24 | JordiGH | jelly-home: Like, "this agression will not stand". |
| 20:47.53 | jelly-home | JordiGH: you sound like an orthodox distroist |
| 20:48.05 | lvh | jelly-home: parec -d alsa_output.pci-0000_00_1b.0.analog-stereo.monitor | lame -r - out.mp3 # worked *beautifully*. thanks :) |
| 20:48.25 | JordiGH | jelly-home: I just like to be able to find where things are installed and not search around in what some language designer thinks my OS should look like. |
| 20:48.31 | JordiGH | jelly-home: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0118715/quotes?qt0464827 |
| 20:48.55 | pwntang | does anyone have any experience using an Microsoft VX-1000 webcam working in Lenny please? |
| 20:49.20 | jelly-home | the language designer knows what their libraries should look like |
| 20:49.35 | JordiGH | DLL hell? |
| 20:49.42 | JordiGH | Anyways, whatever, no Ruby. What CMS do you suggest? |
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| 20:50.20 | Galaxor | JordiGH: drupal |
| 20:50.28 | jelly-home | I can't recommend anything but !polls |
| 20:50.29 | Gomex | hi Guys, I want to thank the debian community |
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| 20:50.46 | Gomex | I started use debian in my desktop... |
| 20:51.09 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell Gomex about donations |
| 20:51.16 | Gomex | This distro is fantastic |
| 20:51.20 | jelly-home | Gomex: you're welcome |
| 20:51.36 | JordiGH | Gomex: I wonder if you've downloaded my packages... |
| 20:51.39 | Gomex | jelly-home: I am working to put a new mirror in Brazil |
| 20:51.41 | JordiGH | aspires to higher popcon. |
| 20:52.03 | Gomex | JordiGH: What is your package? |
| 20:52.14 | JordiGH | Gomex: Octave-related. |
| 20:52.40 | Galaxor | Man, whatever. Debian suxx0rz. Slackware FTW! |
| 20:52.56 | Gomex | JordiGH: What is its propou |
| 20:53.09 | JordiGH | Gomex: Mathematical software. |
| 20:53.17 | Gomex | purpose |
| 20:53.49 | multi_io | looks like you still have to provide ARCH=i386 to make menuconfig even in an i386 chroot. |
| 20:53.49 | Gomex | JordiGH: really? I am working in University, I will tell to my boss about this software |
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| 20:56.09 | Gomex | jelly-home: put a mirror is considered a contribution, correct? |
| 20:56.53 | jelly-home | Gomex: A public mirror? I think it is, yes |
| 20:57.13 | Gomex | jelly-home: yes, We already have a public mirror, but is not official |
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| 20:58.30 | Gomex | jelly-home: take a look debian.ufba.br |
| 20:58.55 | jelly-home | Gomex: I'm going to trust you on this one! |
| 20:59.20 | jelly-home | is not affiliated with Debian in any way |
| 20:59.41 | Galaxor | Awright. I am running the latest upstream jre, and I've got my freenet node up. |
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| 21:07.38 | mnuhmnuh | Gomex: :-) |
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| 21:23.48 | rpaulson | why is there a linux-image-2.6.32-4-686 but not a -amd64 one of the same version? |
| 21:24.09 | rpaulson | is it a sign that the amd64 build will be discontinued? |
| 21:24.16 | _ke | on debian lenny i created a file /etc/sysctl.d/bindv6only which contains "net.ipv6.bindv6only = 1". if i start procps manually, this gets loaded correctly. however when i do a reboot, this setting is not used in /proc. any idea why? |
| 21:24.45 | rpaulson | maybe the owner settings are incorrect? |
| 21:25.11 | rpaulson | _ke: mine is: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 493 Mar 10 23:38 /etc/sysctl.d/bindv6only.conf |
| 21:25.16 | rpaulson | and it works |
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| 21:25.28 | _ke | rpaulson, exactly, same permissions here |
| 21:25.34 | _ke | rpaulson, do you load any modules? |
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| 21:25.54 | rpaulson | please specify.. |
| 21:26.05 | rpaulson | firewire-sbp2 |
| 21:26.05 | rpaulson | loop |
| 21:26.09 | rpaulson | in /etc/modules |
| 21:26.44 | lindi- | _ke: ipv6 module is probably not loaded when you set the setting |
| 21:26.53 | _ke | rpaulson, is ipv6 compiled in your kernel? |
| 21:27.07 | _ke | lindi-, had the same feeling right now ;) |
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| 21:29.17 | rpaulson | _ke: don't know |
| 21:29.34 | rpaulson | _ke: did you have a look at kernel logs? |
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| 21:30.20 | _ke | rpaulson, yep, but didnt see anything related to it |
| 21:30.40 | rpaulson | well, you could try to load the module specifically then |
| 21:31.53 | _ke | ok, i will try that |
| 21:31.55 | _ke | thanks a lot |
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| 21:33.18 | rpaulson | np |
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| 21:40.21 | Appetite | where is the default inst directory for tcl ? |
| 21:40.25 | Appetite | with apt-get |
| 21:40.35 | _ke | is anybody using dnscache of the dbndns/djbdns package? is there a way to disable just the cache? |
| 21:41.47 | eikenberry | _ke. Yes. Just remove the dnscache sym-link from /etc/service I think. |
| 21:42.07 | eikenberry | I forget if I'm using the default setup or not, but it should be something like that. |
| 21:42.14 | _ke | eikenberry, but there is no separate package which just contains tinydns? |
| 21:42.26 | eikenberry | no |
| 21:45.01 | eikenberry | _ke. You could looks at nsd3. It is a smaller authoritative dns server that comes separately from its caching server (unbound). |
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| 21:45.53 | _ke | eikenberry, any opinion about it? |
| 21:46.07 | eikenberry | I'm switching to nsd3/unbound as djbdns doesn't seem like it is going to make it into squeeze. |
| 21:46.21 | MohammadR91 | Hi, for new men that join linux, mint is best or ubuntu? |
| 21:46.23 | eikenberry | _ke. Took a bit getting used to but I like it. |
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| 21:46.55 | eikenberry | The bind-like zone files aren't bad once you get used to them. And it is organized fairly well w/ fairly simple config files. |
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| 21:46.59 | _ke | eikenberry, well debian is using dbndns anyway? you like it better than djbdns? |
| 21:47.11 | eikenberry | _ke. That isn't in squeeze either. |
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| 21:47.26 | _ke | eikenberry, oh, ok. why that? |
| 21:47.32 | eikenberry | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=516394 |
| 21:47.48 | khem_ | can i run KVM in Debian lenny with the guest operating system on a external IP`i prefer to not use NAT |
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| 21:48.50 | eikenberry | brb |
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| 21:49.26 | compaq | Hi |
| 21:49.43 | compaq | I must install e17 enlightment, is it available in backports, doubt it, where can I get it? |
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| 21:51.42 | compaq | how can get the keyboard bindings of gnome in blackbox or enlightenment, cause my keyboard has volume keys and a calculator, internet, search, email, club mute help button, as well as sleep |
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| 21:52.40 | compaq | ok, I fount it |
| 21:53.18 | compaq | wiki.enlightenment.org |
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| 21:55.37 | mnuhmnuh | compaq: aptitude search e17 |
| 21:55.51 | compaq | mnuhmnuh, its still in unstable |
| 21:56.59 | compaq | mnuhmnuh, I am gonna install it anyway with a score of -9746, what do you think? |
| 21:57.33 | compaq | apt-get install e17 from unstable didn't work, but aptitude install is gonna let me go for it |
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| 21:58.06 | compaq | ok, How do I got from debian stable to debian testing? |
| 21:59.12 | magnux | compaq, you need to change your sources.list |
| 22:00.05 | compaq | magnet, and then do apt-get dist-upgrade, but all my packages are gonna break, and it will take hours and lots of bandwidth, probably cheaper to download a cd, and then do it, so I can use it again |
| 22:00.10 | magnux | compaq, and then make a # aptitude full-upgrade |
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| 22:01.32 | mnuhmnuh | compaq: sorry, I ran that on elive installed. not lenny. :-( |
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| 22:02.02 | compaq | how is elive, I was thinking of downloading it |
| 22:02.30 | compaq | maybe I could compile from source e17, will it still have dependency issues? Or course eh? |
| 22:02.45 | jasonc122 | "/msg dpkg guidelines" |
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| 22:03.55 | mnuhmnuh | compaq: depends on the machine, and what you do with it. this's compaq evo PIV 2.4 GHz. It's nice here. I've been runing it for a couple of months on my sandbox. Nice. |
| 22:04.34 | jasonc122 | will debian get me laid? |
| 22:05.17 | mnuhmnuh | jasonc122: why not? submit bug report if it fails. |
| 22:05.24 | vsmatck | lol! |
| 22:06.37 | compaq | mnuhmnuh, I have compaq evo 2ghz, too slow for compiz. But really all I want out of compiz is to run a dock app like cairo-dock(glx-dock) and to have the windows scaling called expose on Mac's |
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| 22:07.40 | compaq | I'd like to use fluxbox or enlightenment, cause they are so fast, but before when I used to use enlightment it would do funny things so I gave up on it. Just now I tried to run xcompmgr, and the screen was blank, I had to guess where the shell was and hit cntrl+C |
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| 22:09.01 | zer0x | I've found that apps using SDL give me a blank/black screen when set to fullscreen, are there any know issues around this? (squeeze/sid on Intel 945GM) |
| 22:09.10 | zer0x | *known |
| 22:09.14 | jasonc122 | Error report: debian will not let me get laid. "Mammary error: Access Denied" |
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| 22:09.48 | mnuhmnuh | compaq: i don't use much of compiz I don't think. Believe it's the stock install wm ... could be wrong. |
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| 22:10.31 | compaq | How does this backports system work, how can get e17 in there lol |
| 22:10.47 | compaq | http://wiki.debian.org/PkgE anyone can make sense of this link's talking about? |
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| 22:11.20 | khem_ | hmm |
| 22:11.32 | compaq | mnuhmnuh, metacity is default, but if you turn on desktop effects then compiz is default |
| 22:11.41 | khem_ | anybody here using KVM on Debian`im wondering if i should remove the eth0 fromn network/interfaces to replace it with br0 to get bridgeing to work? |
| 22:11.43 | compaq | mnuhmnuh, for gnome that is |
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| 22:12.33 | sepult | what is the default size for tmpfs /dev/shm on debian ? |
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| 22:14.39 | qq- | half of total RAM |
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| 22:18.28 | compaq | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:18.38 | compaq | I mean elive distro |
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| 22:21.29 | jasonc122 | compaq: why don't you install some testes and get out of your mother's basement? |
| 22:22.16 | mnuhmnuh | compaq: works for me on this box. |
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| 22:23.10 | compaq | mnuhmnuh, I don't want to install elive though, I am gonna try the hard way ith cvs, I doubt I will get through all that though. Here is the link if you are interested: http://debe17.com/cvs_page/cvs_install_page.html |
| 22:23.52 | mnuhmnuh | compaq: everyone needs a sandbox box. :-) |
| 22:24.18 | compaq | what do you mean by sandbox box? |
| 22:24.40 | jasonc122 | he means your mother's box |
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| 22:25.00 | compaq | jasonc122, stop masterbating |
| 22:25.14 | mnuhmnuh | compaq: a box you can play with, and don't care if it gets fsck'd up. re-install. |
| 22:25.16 | compaq | jasonc122, you gonna burn the skin off |
| 22:25.25 | compaq | mnuhmnuh, I never had any other kind |
| 22:25.41 | compaq | mnuhmnuh, you run production? |
| 22:25.57 | mnuhmnuh | jasonc122: that'd work, til she evicts you. |
| 22:26.58 | mnuhmnuh | compaq: lenny, yes. elive on sandbox. |
| 22:27.59 | compaq | what do you use your production machine for? |
| 22:29.58 | jasonc122 | lol i'm guessing furiously shaking hands with the old pal |
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| 22:30.20 | mnuhmnuh | compaq: "road warrior" contractor. :-) perl, mysql, C, Midrange Engineering, saving whatever client's butt. :-) |
| 22:30.44 | jasonc122 | and xvideos ;) |
| 22:30.55 | compaq | mnuhmnuh, cool I was trying to become an engineer when I was young too, but I gave up |
| 22:33.12 | mnuhmnuh | compaq: not an engineer. mostly self-taught. just keep banging your head on the wall til it falls over. |
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| 22:35.26 | compaq | mnuhmnuh, engineering is hard work with no appreciation |
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| 22:37.21 | steampunkey | compaq: i'd say it beats a codemonkey, both monetary and by how engaging/interesting it is, wouldn't you agree? |
| 22:37.33 | steampunkey | *being a |
| 22:37.58 | compaq | coding is no easier task, it is very dangerous to you mental health |
| 22:38.52 | steampunkey | compaq: i've heard of that theory, and i have my empirical evidence to support it. and why would you say so? |
| 22:39.02 | compaq | I got 9 libraries to build and install |
| 22:39.29 | compaq | cause of debugging |
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| 22:39.42 | mnuhmnuh | compaq: 'splain? |
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| 22:40.15 | steampunkey | compaq: well yeah, but they've got some new languages - something called monty python or something. they say they're fast and easy. |
| 22:40.20 | compaq | you read code over and over, and the more you look the harder it becomes, to spot what you are looking for. needle in a hay stack |
| 22:41.41 | mnuhmnuh | compaq: fun! |
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| 22:42.55 | steampunkey | when it comes to regular pieces of code, there's printf binary search method :-) and of course gdb. when it comes to algorithms, you can write them on the white board a several times, try to test it using your mind - but that, yes, can be both frustrating and damaging. |
| 22:43.50 | steampunkey | compaq: however, my question is what behavioral/psychological symptoms do you notice? (half-kiddingly) |
| 22:44.09 | compaq | nail biting |
| 22:44.09 | qwd | Anyone know how to make Iceweasel use Google with https for the "I'm feeling lucky" feature? I set keyword.URL to https://www.google.com/webhp?hl=en#hl=en&source=hp&q= but that didn't help |
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| 23:02.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | ha, google works via ssl? |
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| 23:10.43 | qwd | CutMeOwnThroat: it does now yes. it doesn't have all the features (yet?) though |
| 23:11.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | looks like |
| 23:11.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | I've been using scroogle-ssl anyway |
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| 23:12.49 | qwd | scroogle doesn't work anymore |
| 23:12.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | it does |
| 23:13.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | only stopped for about a day |
| 23:13.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | seems google answered their plea and gave them the simple interface they desired |
| 23:13.57 | qwd | ah, I hadn't noticed. |
| 23:14.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | if google-ssl is cropping up now, that might be because more people took note of scroogle |
| 23:14.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | I mean the timing is quite a coincidence.... or more than that |
| 23:14.37 | qwd | I think the reason is to prevent others from including ads |
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| 23:16.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | whose reason? |
| 23:16.05 | qwd | I tried this https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&btnI&q= and it works when pasting it into the address field but when I use it as keyword.URL I'm sent to regular old http |
| 23:16.21 | jasonc122 | google also support foad |
| 23:16.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | qwd, why'd you want that page without keyword? |
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| 23:18.07 | qwd | CutMeOwnThroat: you mean %s? It's not in the default so I assumed it didn't work there |
| 23:18.45 | qwd | just tried, it doesn't |
| 23:18.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | don't know what you mean |
| 23:19.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | what I mean is that https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&btnI&q=blah works just fine, of course you never get to see the google site... |
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| 23:20.42 | qwd | it works fine if you paste it, not if you use it in keyword.URL and you do see the google site if you search for something random |
| 23:25.59 | JairunCaloth | I seem to be having trouble with dbus... |
| 23:26.00 | JairunCaloth | http://pastebin.com/25QcKEFM |
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| 23:28.30 | JairunCaloth | dbus is installed and running |
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| 23:36.05 | JairunCaloth | nvm got it |
| 23:36.22 | blue_anna | where can I find information on the files in /usr/share/X11/locale ? |
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| 23:37.16 | blue_anna | I really mean to ask: I'd like to create keyboard layouts and locale settigs for kreyòl asyisyen, since it doesnt seem to be done. how should I go about doing that |
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| 23:40.07 | compaq | hi, I wanted to run a program when enlightenment starts, I tried so far, $touch .xsession; echo >> program-name -some-switch; chmod a+x .xsession, But didn't work |
| 23:40.12 | blue_anna | is there a mail group I should be directing myself to, instead of irc? |
| 23:40.28 | zer0x | If anyone was wondering about my blank fullscreen problems with SDL apps on squeeze.. I finally tracked the problem down: |
| 23:40.32 | zer0x | http://www.mail-archive.com/dev@suckless.org/msg03628.html |
| 23:40.38 | qwd | blue_anna: I'm *guessing* this might be a place to start http://www.debian.org/intl/ |
| 23:41.15 | compaq | then I tried touch .e16/Start/startup.sh; echo> !#/bin/bash /n program-name -some-switch; chmod a+x startup.sh; and agaiin it didn't work |
| 23:41.18 | blue_anna | qwd: ty :) |
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| 23:41.47 | blue_anna | compaq stop doing that echo |
| 23:41.55 | blue_anna | your pipes are wrong |
| 23:42.12 | compaq | blue_anna, well, I did the pipes and echo here, but in my shell, I used emacs -nw |
| 23:43.58 | blue_anna | I dont know emacs -- do the files actually contain the words you were intending to place in them? |
| 23:44.17 | compaq | yeah, |
| 23:45.37 | blue_anna | compaq: are you on E16 or E17 ? |
| 23:45.57 | blue_anna | you might just need to rename .e16 to .e17 :P |
| 23:46.04 | compaq | blue_anna, I am surprised you know them 16, I wish to install 17 later, but it is hard work |
| 23:46.36 | compaq | I am using 16, I will try to install 17 another day, it requires package building |
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| 23:46.43 | compaq | I dont know how yet |
| 23:46.47 | blue_anna | I just serached for enlightenment on google and everything was coming up e17 :) -- it's been eyars since I sued enlightenment |
| 23:46.53 | blue_anna | goingon a decade or so I think |
| 23:46.58 | blue_anna | *years |
| 23:47.07 | blue_anna | *used |
| 23:47.13 | compaq | its not available yet for debian stable or testing, just unstable |
| 23:47.45 | compaq | blue_anna, if you have a space machine, you can try e17 by installing the elive distro, it is debian based |
| 23:47.57 | compaq | oops, space, I meant spare |
| 23:48.00 | blue_anna | compaq: try it in .xinitrc |
| 23:48.07 | blue_anna | instead of xsession |
| 23:48.21 | blue_anna | don't overwrite that file ! |
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| 23:48.26 | blue_anna | prepend to it |
| 23:48.53 | compaq | blue_anna, i don't know where it is |
| 23:49.14 | blue_anna | if its not there then that's not gonna be a problem for you .. just go ahead and create it :) |
| 23:50.18 | compaq | blue_anna, in /home directory? |
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| 23:50.39 | \amethyst | compaq: I'm reading something that says, for the .e16/Start/foo scripts to work, you need to enable user session scripts in the e16 menu under Session Settings |
| 23:50.55 | \amethyst | compaq: I don't use enlightenment so I can't confirm |
| 23:51.11 | blue_anna | Celelibi: umm, in _your_ home directory .. emacs ~/.xinitrc -- write the command like you want and then save that, and .. just for kicks, (to make sure it will run if it is needed to), do a chmod+x on it too, like before |
| 23:51.11 | compaq | \amethyst, hehe, its probably same one I read, I enable it though, thanks anyway |
| 23:51.26 | blue_anna | *sorry Celelibi that was to compaq |
| 23:51.34 | compaq | \amethyst, it is worth a try, it has compositing, without slowing you down so much |
| 23:51.50 | compaq | blue_anna, ok, I am gonna try you suggestion, be right back |
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| 23:55.05 | compaq | no that didn't work |
| 23:57.36 | \amethyst | compaq: have you tried running the script you created from the command line once e16 has started? does that work? |
| 23:57.51 | compaq | \amethyst, you are a wise one sir |
| 23:58.10 | tuv | why aren't home directories created with 770 (or 750) permissions in debian? shouldn't they be not readable by others? |
| 23:58.10 | blue_anna | he's serious |
| 23:58.12 | blue_anna | the bash one would work |
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| 23:59.19 | Appetite | tuv: because that is the user + group... normally the only user in a group is the user themselves, and if not, you can normally trust the other users with atleast read perms |
| 23:59.31 | \amethyst | tuv: because That's How It's Always Been |
| 23:59.34 | \amethyst | tuv: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=202944 |
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