| 00:00.39 | compaq | \amethyst, it works when I run it from the command line |
| 00:01.06 | blue_anna | tuv: not that this answers your question, but you can add a umask line to your bashrc and then do a chmod -R o-rx ~ |
| 00:01.35 | \amethyst | and you can set the permissions for new home directories in /etc/adduser.conf |
| 00:01.49 | blue_anna | that's it, that's the answer I was looking for :) |
| 00:02.26 | frex | anyone familiar with wget here? |
| 00:02.27 | sepult | how do i change the group ownership of the usbfs filesystem ? |
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| 00:03.05 | sepult | by addin something like ,-ogroup=blah, -omode=0644 to /etc/init.d/mountkernfs.sh ? |
| 00:03.08 | tuv | i'm planning a new network installation. should i watch out for any specific problems if i choose make home dirs. not world-readable (770) ? |
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| 00:04.04 | blue_anna | compaq: what are the permissions on .e16 and .e16/Start? |
| 00:04.21 | compaq | blue_anna, I did chmod a+x |
| 00:04.31 | blue_anna | compaq: on the directories? |
| 00:04.43 | compaq | blue_anna, that right, I didn't do anything to those directory |
| 00:04.45 | \amethyst | tuv: if users have web directories like ~/public_html or other things that need to be accessible to non-root users, then the homedirs will need at least o+x |
| 00:05.29 | compaq | blue_anna, so what permissions should I add to them? |
| 00:05.50 | \amethyst | sepult: devgid, busgid, and listgid mount options; man mount |
| 00:06.02 | blue_anna | compaq: hmm, try mkdir ~/.e16/Init && cp -a ~/.e16/Start/* ~/.e16/Init/ |
| 00:06.15 | sepult | \amethyst: thank you |
| 00:06.24 | Appetite | in conf files especially, how do you know if you should provided a path with, or without a trailing slash? |
| 00:06.43 | tuv | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:07.03 | \amethyst | tuv: right... a non-executable directory can't be traversed at all |
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| 00:07.52 | \amethyst | Appetite: generally it works either way, though it depends on the individual application |
| 00:08.14 | \amethyst | Appetite: assuming you are giving a directory's path and not a file's path |
| 00:08.25 | compaq | blue_anna, ok, lets see, brb |
| 00:08.29 | Appetite | \amethyst: if it is not specified whether they want or do not want trailing slash, which should be used to be "proper"? |
| 00:08.46 | \amethyst | Appetite: When in doubt I would probably omit it |
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| 00:09.14 | \amethyst | Appetite: however, note that in URLs ending in a directory component the trailing slash is expected |
| 00:09.18 | compaq | blue_anna, no, thanks for trying though, brb, new to take a quick break |
| 00:09.22 | \amethyst | Appetite: but those are URLs, not paths |
| 00:09.27 | \amethyst | compaq: btw, you might try #e |
| 00:09.38 | compaq | no voice in #e |
| 00:09.43 | \amethyst | hm |
| 00:09.43 | blue_anna | qwd: you know, none of the sections listed in the intl page deals with locale .. I just want keyboard layout and locale, not documentation and all that. :) |
| 00:11.54 | sepult | what filesystem does macOSX use ? |
| 00:12.31 | blue_anna | I remember it by a radio station here |
| 00:12.35 | blue_anna | 99.1 wHF |
| 00:12.38 | blue_anna | ** HFS |
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| 00:23.45 | NoCode | where can I get a list of official repositories? |
| 00:25.38 | qwd | NoCode: google official debian repositories...? |
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| 00:29.51 | NoCode | .repositories |
| 00:29.58 | NoCode | hrm |
| 00:30.01 | NoCode | !repos |
| 00:30.01 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian lenny main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <lenny security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 00:30.43 | NoCode | !mirrors |
| 00:30.43 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> or <netselect-apt> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ or http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/, see also <debmirror>, <apt-mirror>, <mirror size>. |
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| 00:39.11 | Tordek | hi |
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| 00:40.45 | Tordek | Something isn't working with my usb media. I plug it in, and dmesg reports it as found, but there are no new devices in /dev/sd* |
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| 00:40.57 | sepult | they are trying my wlan ? |
| 00:41.01 | sepult | lol |
| 00:41.14 | sepult | good luck without a fritzcard |
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| 00:43.47 | buntfalke | Are .deb-packages checksummed before/during extraction? As in, is the integrity of the files being installed checked? |
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| 00:44.10 | sepult | nope |
| 00:44.34 | sepult | not if you didn't install checksumming .deb's |
| 00:45.05 | sepult | they all get checked by the archive key's |
| 00:45.36 | sepult | so hopefully it's serverside checking and delivering |
| 00:46.32 | sepult | if you install from a cd or dvd, chances are you can install the checksumming program before you get on the net |
| 00:47.01 | sepult | and can so check the sum clientside |
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| 00:47.47 | mnuhmnuh | Tordek: look in /media |
| 00:48.04 | Tordek | mnuhmnuh: it's not there |
| 00:48.31 | mnuhmnuh | try "mount" |
| 00:48.47 | frostschutz | Tordek: can you nopaste what exactly it says in dmesg? |
| 00:50.11 | mnuhmnuh | Tordek: "tail -f /var/log/messages", then plug it in. |
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| 00:52.00 | Tordek | http://nopaste.voric.com/paste.php?f=tfv977 |
| 00:52.20 | Tordek | frostschutz: mnuhmnuh http://nopaste.voric.com/paste.php?f=tfv977 |
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| 00:53.20 | frostschutz | Tordek: custom kernel? |
| 00:53.28 | Tordek | frostschutz: nope |
| 00:54.05 | frostschutz | Tordek: do you have any /dev/sd* devices? |
| 00:54.11 | mnuhmnuh | Tordek: "tail -f /var/log/messages", then plug it in. |
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| 00:54.37 | Tordek | frostschutz: yes, my 2 hard drives |
| 00:54.56 | Tordek | mnuhmnuh: that's what I pasted |
| 00:55.53 | frostschutz | Tordek: hmmm, no idea then :( if it detected a mass storage device it should also print its size, partitions, and sd* device it used for it in dmesg |
| 00:56.18 | frostschutz | Tordek: and the only modules necessary for that are usb mass storage and scsi disk |
| 00:56.24 | mnuhmnuh | Tordek: weird. it doesn't appear to be recognised as I'd expect it. help others? |
| 00:56.29 | Tordek | frostschutz: yeah, but look at the dmesg note at the bottom: it says "usb-storage: waiting for device to settle before scanning |
| 00:56.32 | Tordek | ) |
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| 00:56.50 | frostschutz | that shouldn't take more than a second usually |
| 00:57.12 | \amethyst | Tordek: are you plugging it into a hub? have you tried plugging it into a different hub, or directly into the machine? |
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| 00:58.14 | Tordek | \amethyst: it's a plug on the side of my monitor, but since the monitoer doesn't use it, it's practically a straight connect... I think... but no harm in checking |
| 00:59.21 | Tordek | nope, same deal |
| 00:59.44 | \amethyst | hm, do you have another mass storage device to test? |
| 01:00.04 | Tordek | \amethyst: I just did... another, older mp3 player worked |
| 01:00.22 | \amethyst | hm. |
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| 01:02.02 | \amethyst | Tordek: and there's nothing after the "waiting for device to settle" message? |
| 01:02.14 | \amethyst | Tordek: not even an error? |
| 01:02.15 | Tordek | \amethyst: nothing |
| 01:02.16 | \amethyst | hm |
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| 01:03.37 | Tordek | fwiw, it has worked before; I just noticed it a few weeks ago |
| 01:03.57 | \amethyst | well, it could be the device going bad |
| 01:04.12 | \amethyst | possibly in a way that only matters to Linux |
| 01:04.25 | Tordek | [26204.162178] usb-storage: waiting for device to settle before scanning |
| 01:04.27 | Tordek | [26214.800019] usb 1-6: reset high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 17 |
| 01:04.31 | Tordek | hmm |
| 01:04.34 | \amethyst | reset? |
| 01:04.37 | \amethyst | that's no good :) |
| 01:06.12 | \amethyst | I'm no USB expert, but it sounds like the kernel was waiting for some kind of acknowledgment from the device, didn't get it after 10 seconds, and gave up and sent a reset |
| 01:06.51 | \amethyst | Tordek: Have you tried it with other computers since it started having problems? |
| 01:07.11 | Tordek | \amethyst: not that I recall |
| 01:07.48 | \amethyst | Tordek: Might be worth trying... if it also fails under Windows you'd probably have more luck getting a warranty replacement :) |
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| 01:09.57 | compaq | how can I mount my usb drive, if I don't have gnome? |
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| 01:11.30 | Tordek | compaq: it should show up in the proper /dev/sd*; mount it as any device: mount /dev/sdc /mnt/usb or whatever |
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| 01:12.28 | \amethyst | if you want to be able to mount it without having to become root, you might look at 'pmount' |
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| 01:13.45 | compaq | oh, from dmesg I see it sda |
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| 01:14.50 | mhall | I did a dist upgrade the other day (It's been a *long* time, 1500 MB downloaded) and now something is screwing with my console font on boot making it microscopic. How do I 1) blacklist the fb responsible (lsmod | grep fb) is empty, and 2) prevent the size change? Otherwise when I am hacking on kernel modules and get a crash backtrace it will usually be illegible |
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| 01:17.03 | mhall | Is anybody alive? |
| 01:17.12 | eikenberry | mhall. You using grub? |
| 01:17.27 | eikenberry | or lilo |
| 01:17.44 | mhall | eikenberry: yeah 1.98-2 |
| 01:17.50 | mhall | eikenberry: grub 1.98-2 * |
| 01:17.57 | mhall | eikenberry: grub 1.98-1 * |
| 01:18.01 | mhall | cannot type today |
| 01:18.05 | mhall | *facepalm* |
| 01:18.16 | eikenberry | in your menu.lst do you have a vga option set. |
| 01:18.28 | eikenberry | eg. # defoptions=vga=773 |
| 01:19.11 | mhall | eikenberry: no menu.lst in grub 2. uses grub.cfg. horribly convoluted in comparison to original version :( |
| 01:19.35 | tuv | in a chroot, i've set the timezone (dpkg-reconfigure tzdata), but still date shows the time in UTC |
| 01:19.40 | eikenberry | Oh, grub 2. Haven't upgrade myself yet. |
| 01:19.46 | tuv | do i need to change anything else to get localtime? |
| 01:19.54 | eikenberry | But I think it should be similar, just in /etc somewhere. |
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| 01:23.27 | \amethyst | tuv: is the TZ environment variable set? |
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| 01:24.06 | tuv | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:24.18 | \amethyst | tuv: it should not ve |
| 01:24.26 | tuv | i get the corrent localtime on the host, but not in the chroot |
| 01:25.27 | tuv | installed and did dpkg-reconfigure on locales and tzdata - no changes |
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| 01:25.44 | \amethyst | tuv: and /etc/timezone exists in the chroot? |
| 01:26.13 | \amethyst | just to make sure dpkg-reconfigure tzdata worked correctly |
| 01:26.18 | lk | tuv, have you tried running /usr/bin/tzselect? |
| 01:26.45 | \amethyst | lk: tzselect doesn't change the timezone any longer |
| 01:26.54 | eikenberry | mhall. You can also set the console font in /etc/defaults/console-setup |
| 01:27.29 | \amethyst | tuv: err, I guess it would be /etc/localtime that is the important one |
| 01:27.41 | jargon- | . |
| 01:27.48 | tuv | \amethyst: yes. /etc/timezone has the right string |
| 01:28.45 | tuv | \amethyst: /etc/localtime is a symlink to /usr/share/zoneinfo |
| 01:29.01 | \amethyst | tuv: that's wrong |
| 01:29.04 | lk | Oh... tuv, is it a symlink to something in there, though, e.g.,... yeah. |
| 01:29.12 | lk | e.g., /usr/share/zoneinfo/EST |
| 01:30.00 | tuv | \amethyst: i copied the file corresponding to my timezone from /usr/share/zoneinfo/x/y to /etc/localtime. still get utc time |
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| 01:31.16 | \amethyst | tuv: what version of date is this? |
| 01:31.52 | \amethyst | hm, I guess it shouldn't matter, even busybox date uses /etc/localtime |
| 01:31.59 | tuv | \amethyst: hmm. actually the cp didn't work. i removed the symlink and re-cp'd. not it's a localtime |
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| 01:32.37 | kompulsive | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:32.57 | kompulsive | er wait...was i using it in archlinux and im mixed up.. |
| 01:32.59 | kompulsive | ponders |
| 01:33.13 | \amethyst | kompulsive: pastebinit ? |
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| 01:39.38 | kompulsive | \amethyst well, im trying to use pastebinit, but im doing something wrong, i think i may have it figured out tho, one sec |
| 01:40.30 | jargon- | kompulsive: it's not returning a link,is it? |
| 01:40.36 | Appetite | What is the directive for the equivelent of "ulimit -l"? i know there is locked mem, but this is just mem in general |
| 01:41.14 | kompulsive | nevermind, i failed again lol. |
| 01:41.18 | kompulsive | jargon- definitely not. |
| 01:41.25 | \amethyst | Appetite: directive? |
| 01:41.31 | llanero | Appetite: pamd |
| 01:41.32 | Appetite | \amethyst: line, whatever |
| 01:41.42 | jargon- | kompulsive: same here. no idea why,though |
| 01:42.13 | kompulsive | jargon- perfect. |
| 01:42.14 | \amethyst | Appetite: You're asking where to do the equivalent of ulimit -l but for all users? |
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| 01:42.34 | \amethyst | Appetite: rather than putting it in /etc/profile where it can be avoided? |
| 01:42.40 | Appetite | \amethyst: yes, in the /etc/security/limits.conf file, what do i add for ulimit -l |
| 01:42.55 | Appetite | i know memlock but i dont know what to put for the -l one |
| 01:43.12 | \amethyst | Appetite: err, memlock is -l |
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| 01:43.39 | kompulsive | well this is terrible. being a giant *nix/debian noob, i really could've used that tool that's broken. |
| 01:43.47 | Appetite | \amethyst: are you sure? there are two memory related things when you do memlock -a |
| 01:44.04 | \amethyst | you mean ulimit -a ? |
| 01:44.10 | kompulsive | jargon- we must be doing something wrong lol. even though i've tried 4 or 5 times after double-checking my command and still nothing. |
| 01:44.11 | \amethyst | max locked memory (kbytes, -l) 64 |
| 01:44.18 | Appetite | \amethyst: ulimit -a shows -l and -m |
| 01:44.24 | Appetite | \amethyst: what are the differences? |
| 01:44.46 | jargon- | kompulsive: i'm guessing maybe there's a change on the pastebin site that affects the tool |
| 01:44.52 | \amethyst | Appetite: -l only applies to pages locked into RAM to prevent swapping |
| 01:45.12 | Appetite | \amethyst: ok how do you change the -m value then |
| 01:45.40 | \amethyst | Appetite: I believe -m is 'rss' but that has no effect on modern versions of Linux |
| 01:45.47 | \amethyst | (nor does ulimit -m ) |
| 01:46.10 | Appetite | \amethyst: ok then to limit a user's maximum ram usage what do i use? |
| 01:46.13 | jaemals | could anybody explain bootstrap ?thanks |
| 01:46.25 | \amethyst | Appetite: there isn't really a good way |
| 01:46.31 | \amethyst | Appetite: give them their own virtual machine |
| 01:46.35 | Appetite | \amethyst: =\ |
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| 01:47.10 | \amethyst | Appetite: also, note that most of the ulimit settings are per-process, not per-user |
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| 01:47.26 | ZenWalker | hi |
| 01:47.28 | Appetite | \amethyst: hm, ok |
| 01:47.37 | Appetite | \amethyst: i just wanted to limit a user's max cpu and memory consumption |
| 01:47.42 | ZenWalker | temp nvidia on sensors applet? |
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| 01:50.38 | kompulsive | jargon- \amethyst; bahahaha, after trying everyone i could find, the ubuntu pastebin site finally worked LOL |
| 01:50.56 | jargon- | kompulsive: good to know! |
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| 01:53.41 | nomende | how to find out which is the latest available kernel version? |
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| 01:55.08 | nomende | has #debian become #deadbian? no live at all. |
| 01:56.14 | ZenWalker | nomende: kernel.org ? |
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| 02:02.55 | unfancy | ZenWalker: ? |
| 02:03.34 | unfancy | oh, nvm, too short a buffer.. :P |
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| 02:24.23 | initq | allo |
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| 02:25.45 | thepro4ever | anyone know a good music streamer for debian that also lets me record the streams? |
| 02:27.12 | unfancy | http://forum.videohelp.com/threads/257045-How-to-record-streaming-WMV-ASF-MMS-links-using-VLC-Media-Player |
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| 02:27.27 | unfancy | thepro4ever: ^^ |
| 02:27.52 | qq- | tunapie thepro4ever: ^^ |
| 02:28.22 | thepro4ever | ^^ ??? |
| 02:29.05 | initq | when i recover from a kernel crash there is a utility that shows up to send info to debian developers about my crash. what utility is this and what file is sent? |
| 02:30.01 | unfancy | thepro4ever: 04:30 -!- iflema [~ian@CPE-121-216-139-234.lnse2.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] |
| 02:30.05 | unfancy | wha shit |
| 02:30.12 | unfancy | thepro4ever: http://forum.videohelp.com/threads/257045-How-to-record-streaming-WMV-ASF-MMS-links-using-VLC-Media-Player |
| 02:30.15 | unfancy | ^^ |
| 02:30.16 | unfancy | :D |
| 02:30.30 | unfancy | tunapie |
| 02:30.34 | unfancy | huh |
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| 02:39.36 | NoCode | Has squeeze been released or what? I haven't had updates in a LONG time. I think synaptic is broken. So I'm using APT currently, and ... tons of packages are upgrading. |
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| 02:40.35 | jargon- | NoCode: squeeze is still testing,afaik |
| 02:40.48 | NoCode | hmm okay |
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| 02:49.24 | lord_koala | Help please! I am trying to redirect some log files, but somehow I cannot find /etc/syslog.conf file to edit. I am using debian 5.04 and just did a fresh install. cat /etc/syslog.conf returns no such file or directory. |
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| 02:50.38 | Bop | lord_koala, maybe /etc/rsyslog.conf ? |
| 02:51.30 | lord_koala | Bop: Thanks! Yes, it is rsyslog.conf :) When did they change it? |
| 02:51.38 | Bop | dunno |
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| 02:52.02 | tuv | how do i get root mail to be delivered to root instead of d-i' default first user? just edit /etc/aliases? any other changes? |
| 02:52.09 | lord_koala | many thanks.. you saved alot of time :) |
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| 02:53.50 | jargon- | lord_koala: in future try: `updatedb` (as root), then `locate <filenameWithoutExtension>` |
| 02:55.42 | lord_koala | jargon: What is updatedb? do I run it without any comments |
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| 02:57.19 | jargon- | lord_koala: updatedb updates the database used to locate files |
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| 02:57.32 | jargon- | lord_koala: run without parameters |
| 02:57.40 | jargon- | just: updatedb |
| 02:58.15 | lord_koala | jargon Thanks. Ok.. do you know how do I restart rsyslog? is it /etc/init.d/rsyslogd restart? |
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| 02:58.33 | jargon- | lord_koala: locate <string> returns all files containing <string> in the filename |
| 02:59.17 | jargon- | lord_koala: i think it's /etc/init.d/rsyslog restart |
| 03:00.03 | lord_koala | jargon: thank you.. it worked like a charm :) |
| 03:00.15 | jargon- | u're welcome :) |
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| 03:14.57 | JasonWoof | ok, I'm stumped. I'm switching from fedora, just installed debian testing. I'm trying to auto-mount (at boot time) a partition I created in fedora, on LVM encrypted with luks. |
| 03:15.30 | JasonWoof | the volume group that contains this partition doesn't show up with vgscan/vgdisplay |
| 03:17.02 | JasonWoof | I've managed to mount it, only by selecting the partition in the "Places" menu, entering the crypt password |
| 03:17.35 | JasonWoof | once I do that, then the volgroup with the encrypted partition on it shows up on vgscan (but not vgdisplay |
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| 03:17.52 | JasonWoof | to get it to show up in vgdisplay I have to vgchange -ya /dev/mapper/volgroup02 |
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| 03:19.15 | JasonWoof | I put something in /etc/crypttab that made sense to me, but it failed, because the volgroup isn't found at boot time |
| 03:19.36 | JasonWoof | is it possible that my partition map within that volgroup is encrypted? |
| 03:20.09 | JasonWoof | or maybe there is some reason that vgscan isn't looking carefully at that partition? |
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| 03:20.37 | tuv | what does a 10-digit owner and group for a file mean? |
| 03:20.45 | tuv | what does a 10-digit number owner and group id for a file mean? |
| 03:21.51 | JasonWoof | I noticed (from the output of fdisk -l) that the primary partition that holds the volgroup (the actual normal hard drive partition) is marked as 83 (linux) not 83 (linux lvm). is that the problem? |
| 03:22.04 | JasonWoof | tuv: you have over 1 billion users? ;) |
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| 03:23.01 | tuv | JasonWoof: try again |
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| 03:23.12 | JasonWoof | tuv: ok, you're disk is corrupted? |
| 03:23.34 | tuv | hint: nfs-automounted path |
| 03:23.45 | tuv | the same file has sane owner/group locally |
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| 03:24.14 | JasonWoof | does nfs try to match usernames? or does it just export uids? |
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| 03:24.47 | tuv | ldap passwd and group, and exported with no_root_squash |
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| 03:26.16 | JasonWoof | (didn't understand that) but do you have that same user on the remote? and do you have a user with the same uid on the remote? |
| 03:26.37 | laurus | When I run sudo powertop, I see C3 1.9ms (90.5%). How do I determine what program is causing this? |
| 03:27.00 | mns | I keep getting the following error when trying to start X11 using startx: FATAL: fbcon module not found. I am running on Debian/testing. Where do I find fbcon ? I do not have it in my xorg.conf so why is it even being looked for or loaded ? |
| 03:27.30 | JasonWoof | laurus: I'm not familiar with powertop, have you tried regular top? |
| 03:27.31 | tuv | hmm.. local owner and group: nobody:nogroup |
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| 03:27.49 | laurus | JasonWoof, well, the issue is that my computer is super-hot on Squeeze, I suspect because of the new kernel: |
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| 03:28.19 | tuv | JasonWoof: users and groups are looked up in a central db, and root on one machine is root on the other over nfs |
| 03:28.26 | laurus | Top causes for wakeups: 24.1% <kernel core> : hrtimer_start_range_ns (tick_sched_timer) |
| 03:28.45 | laurus | And I also see that C3 line which is quite high, so I figure they're connected somehow... |
| 03:28.54 | JasonWoof | laurus: oh, you're trying to determine what keeps waking it? |
| 03:28.59 | laurus | JasonWoof, yes. |
| 03:29.03 | laurus | Well, I know it's the kernel :P |
| 03:29.07 | laurus | But I don't know how to stop it! :( |
| 03:29.14 | JasonWoof | laurus: tricky |
| 03:29.18 | laurus | It's making the laptop extremely hot |
| 03:29.23 | laurus | The old kernel didn't have this problem. |
| 03:29.35 | JasonWoof | bugger |
| 03:30.30 | JasonWoof | I haven't had to fiddle with kernels since I stopped using gentoo years ago |
| 03:30.40 | JasonWoof | so I don't know much about tinkering with them |
| 03:30.45 | laurus | Hah, get this: |
| 03:30.48 | laurus | "It's important to note that the benefits of tickless idle will be lost if the CPU is frequently awakened by unnecessary timer events." |
| 03:30.54 | laurus | Which is exactly what's happening |
| 03:31.06 | laurus | But I don't want to downgrade to Lenny right now since I've got some really important work due in the next few weeks |
| 03:31.13 | laurus | So I guess I'll just have to live with this ridiculously hot laptop :P |
| 03:31.18 | xylox | laurus, simple solution, go back to your former kernel |
| 03:31.26 | laurus | xylox, I tried, but my wireless didn't work |
| 03:31.36 | laurus | And I saw other weird notices showing up on starting the computer |
| 03:31.56 | JasonWoof | laurus: I just read in the installation manual or something on debian.org that going from testing -> lenny is difficult to impossible |
| 03:32.05 | laurus | JasonWoof, oh, I'd do a full reinstall |
| 03:32.13 | xylox | laurus, what version you tried? |
| 03:32.15 | JasonWoof | laurus: ahh, that's quite possible :) |
| 03:32.37 | laurus | xylox, I installed: linux-image-2.6.26-1-686_2.6.26-13lenny2_i386.deb |
| 03:32.55 | xylox | and with squeeze? |
| 03:33.19 | laurus | Oh, that's what I installed with Squeeze to try to use my old kernel |
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| 03:33.21 | laurus | Maybe that's the problem |
| 03:33.27 | laurus | I wasn't sure which package to install |
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| 03:34.24 | xylox | i mean, in squeeze there some kernels, the current is 2.6.32 and the older 2.6.30, you can try 2.6.30 |
| 03:34.45 | laurus | Well, I heard that the problem exists on that kernel as well. |
| 03:34.55 | laurus | A lot of people have been having this problem, it's registered as an Ubuntu bug |
| 03:35.35 | laurus | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/373245 |
| 03:35.42 | xylox | i had problems with 2.6.32-trunk, very hot too, went back to 2.6.30 and all ok |
| 03:35.53 | laurus | Oh really? |
| 03:36.06 | laurus | I'll try it then! What is the package name? |
| 03:36.09 | tuv | i rebooted the machines, then restarted autofs, then everything was fine! |
| 03:36.17 | laurus | tuv, sorry? |
| 03:36.20 | tuv | that's not promising |
| 03:36.26 | laurus | What's autofs/ |
| 03:36.27 | laurus | ? |
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| 03:36.57 | tuv | laurus: setting up ldap-{autofs/automount} |
| 03:37.10 | NoCode | Anyone know the name of the mesa 3d package name(s) for Squeeze? |
| 03:37.14 | laurus | Oh, hehe ok |
| 03:37.26 | laurus | xylox, do you have the package name for the kernel you installed? |
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| 03:37.58 | tuv | NoCode: libgl1-mesa-*, libglu1-mesa* |
| 03:38.10 | NoCode | thanks will search |
| 03:38.20 | JasonWoof | laurus: earlier today while flowndering around, I got a list of available kernels, with this command: apt-get install kernel-image |
| 03:38.28 | laurus | Ah, ok, thanks :) |
| 03:38.33 | JasonWoof | laurus: (it didn't install anything, just listed them) |
| 03:38.39 | laurus | Cool :) |
| 03:39.54 | xylox | laurus, 2.6.30-2-686 |
| 03:40.00 | laurus | Thanks xylox :) |
| 03:40.02 | NoCode | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:40.21 | laurus | I sure hope they fix that problem, it seems to be affecting quite a number of people... |
| 03:40.26 | NoCode | ah without u :P |
| 03:40.37 | tuv | NoCode: yes it is |
| 03:41.16 | NoCode | Found it without the u. |
| 03:41.20 | NoCode | thanks for the info |
| 03:41.22 | NoCode | ! |
| 03:41.55 | Ziber | whats the command to generate locales on debian? |
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| 03:42.53 | qq- | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:42.54 | JasonWoof | with lvm, can you encrypt a whole volgroup, instead of encrypting individual volumes inside it? |
| 03:42.54 | lk | Ziber, dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 03:44.57 | heroxbd | Hi, where can I find a glibc version of a running system without touch package-manager? |
| 03:46.44 | heroxbd | ah... I c execute /lib/libc.so.6 :) |
| 03:48.19 | \amethyst | I'm not sure if that works on OSes other than Linux |
| 03:49.17 | \amethyst | I don't have a hurd or other non-Linux glibc system to test it on though |
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| 03:52.49 | multi_io | does debian.org run on a Windows95 cluster? :-O |
| 03:53.35 | laurus | Is 51.0 degrees C hot for a laptop? |
| 03:53.35 | multi_io | heh, now it's up again. |
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| 03:55.02 | royu | debian sid NFS can't use |
| 03:55.26 | royu | anyone can help me ? |
| 03:55.41 | royu | Starting NFS common utilities: statd failed! |
| 03:56.09 | royu | kerenl is 2.6.32-5-686 |
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| 03:56.41 | royu | nfs-common version is 1:1.2.2-1 |
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| 03:57.55 | simonrvn | read your system logs |
| 03:58.44 | Guest84837 | is debian better than ubuntu |
| 03:59.30 | simonrvn | !better |
| 03:59.30 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, better is a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better". |
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| 04:00.04 | Guest84837 | guess not? |
| 04:00.39 | Guest84837 | btw is it more secure than ubuntu |
| 04:01.27 | simonrvn | stop asking meaningless questions, and ask a real one. then we can answer. |
| 04:04.48 | royu | I'd really appreciate any help you can give with this. Thanks! |
| 04:05.13 | Guest84837 | royu shoot |
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| 04:11.13 | JasonWoof | hah! finally figured out the lvm+encryption+booting thing |
| 04:11.16 | OldParr | i downloaded a live CD iso file but it is on ram, gnome fileroller 2.22.4 can not save it to disk .... how do i save it? |
| 04:12.11 | JasonWoof | first thing: yes the entire partition containing the volgroup was encrypted. Also, I was missing the "luks" option in /etc/crypttab |
| 04:13.17 | JasonWoof | so in the end all I had to do was add to /etc/crypttab this line: plaidsda2 /dev/sda2 none luks |
| 04:13.57 | JasonWoof | then the debian boot process asked me for a password, and found the lvm volumes inside it, etc |
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| 04:18.27 | JasonWoof | bye for now |
| 04:18.32 | civillian | nice work :) |
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| 04:26.57 | SerajewelKS | or do i just have to modify the one in do_start? |
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| 04:38.23 | yoshio_ | I'm using Squeeze, and upgraded X. X comes up to the desktop, but the mouse/keyboard doesn't work - what can I try (already visited the X strike force page) |
| 04:41.57 | SerajewelKS | i will be happy when the concept of initscripts is nothing but a dim memory |
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| 05:04.07 | breedx | trying nightly squeeze amd64 on a T410, the 82577LM nic is detected but DHCP fails...any clues? |
| 05:05.03 | unfancy | correct drivers? |
| 05:05.58 | breedx | lsmod shows e1000e loaded, which is apparently the correct one. |
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| 05:06.20 | unfancy | then why is dhcp failing? |
| 05:06.25 | unfancy | cable? |
| 05:06.40 | breedx | unfancy: that's my question. ;) not the cable (works in winderz) |
| 05:06.45 | unfancy | dhcp server? not much more to fail.. |
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| 05:07.29 | lk | breedx, did a static IP work at all? |
| 05:07.49 | breedx | lk: I haven't tried yet, but I'm about to. |
| 05:07.50 | lk | Also, what does ethtool show for that NIC? |
| 05:08.07 | breedx | lk: is ethtool on the netinst disc? |
| 05:08.23 | lk | breedx, Oh, unlikely. |
| 05:08.34 | breedx | lk: yeah, sorry, forgot to mention that. |
| 05:08.44 | lk | breedx, you're installing right now? |
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| 05:09.28 | unfancy | maybe modprobe e1000e again.. who knows |
| 05:10.08 | breedx | rmmod isn't on the netinst disc either. hmph. I was thinking to try removing the wireless modules. |
| 05:10.19 | liable | hmm, that module wasnt in the daily i tried the other day |
| 05:10.27 | liable | modprobe -r |
| 05:10.38 | breedx | sweet, lemme try. |
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| 05:12.58 | oznt | hi guys |
| 05:13.17 | oznt | is there a way to replace "info" with a real browser ? |
| 05:14.02 | mnuhmnuh | oznt: pyinfo |
| 05:14.13 | oznt | mnuhmnu |
| 05:14.20 | oznt | thanks, looking into it |
| 05:14.25 | tuv | how do i stop root mail from being forwarded to a normal user? |
| 05:14.58 | breedx | lk: well, manual network config seems ok, but that's still cooky. |
| 05:15.37 | oznt | mnuhmnuh, excuse me for asking, but googling around does not give a useful result |
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| 05:15.39 | oznt | what do you mean |
| 05:15.40 | lk | breedx, agreed. But maybe things will turn out different once you're done with installation.... |
| 05:15.58 | breedx | lk: totally. thanks for the hints. |
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| 05:19.53 | oznt | anyone ? reading info pages - without the info command ? |
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| 05:21.41 | lk | oznt, sorry, what're you trying to do again? |
| 05:21.57 | aburch | oznt: emacs has a info browser (C-h i). |
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| 05:23.31 | oznt | I'm trying to read info pages with a NORMAL software not gnu info and not emacs - is there a way to render them with a browser ? |
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| 05:25.16 | oznt | found something ... pinfo |
| 05:25.24 | oznt | look at http://www.debian-administration.org/article/Manual_pages_not_just_for_the_console_anymore |
| 05:25.28 | oznt | I hate GNU |
| 05:25.45 | aburch | oznt: If you hat GNU that much you shouldn't use GNU/Linux? ;) |
| 05:25.54 | oznt | well I like linux |
| 05:26.00 | oznt | I hate the gnu part |
| 05:26.19 | oznt | if debian was a gnu project solely it would probably looked like EMACS |
| 05:26.50 | oznt | it had tones of options, which know knew how to used, and we had to read documentation with... well.. gnu info |
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| 05:27.49 | JasonWoof | oznt: you might want to install freebsd then... most of the programs that come with linux are gnu programs |
| 05:28.46 | oznt | JasonWoof, not all of them are ****** as emacs, but octave, which I'm trying to promote, has a very big problem with the documentation |
| 05:29.21 | JasonWoof | emacs is totally optional |
| 05:29.48 | oznt | it views info (!) pages, if I could only view the help in a normal way, would be nice, and please don't me about the PDF doc or HTML doc, because I can't find a way to launch them directly from octave |
| 05:29.51 | JasonWoof | I just installed debian, and it gave me vim-tiny, and not emacs |
| 05:30.15 | oznt | JasonWoof, btw, I work with BSD, but package management is a nightmare |
| 05:30.30 | JasonWoof | I run freebsd on my server |
| 05:30.38 | JasonWoof | package management has been a breeze for me |
| 05:31.06 | JasonWoof | portupgrade -ab :) |
| 05:31.12 | JasonWoof | portaudit :) |
| 05:32.00 | JasonWoof | I just switched from fedora... I _love_ how much faster I can install things |
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| 05:37.35 | suji | how to create .deb package for debian? already am having .deb package for ubuntu. |
| 05:40.06 | JasonWoof | suji: what are you going to do with it? |
| 05:40.45 | suji | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:42.14 | JasonWoof | suji: get it included in the debian distro? I thought that was generally done before ubuntu |
| 05:42.20 | hossein | Hi all, |
| 05:42.38 | suji | JasonWoof: but am not did that, now how to do? |
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| 05:42.56 | hossein | please help me, my problem is about proftpd. i googled, but i could not remove the problem. |
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| 05:44.47 | hossein | ftp [HOSTNAME] |
| 05:44.47 | hossein | Connected to sepanohost.com (174.142.97.47). |
| 05:44.47 | hossein | 220 174.142.97.47 FTP server ready |
| 05:44.47 | hossein | Name ([HOSTNAME]:hossein): [USERNAME] |
| 05:44.47 | hossein | 421 Service not available, remote server has closed connection |
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| 05:45.59 | JasonWoof | suji: dunno, there's lots of info online. Maybe read this: http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ |
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| 05:46.36 | suji | JasonWoof: ok, i will try that. |
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| 05:48.08 | sunson | what does the gpg signature in the .dsc file of a package signify? |
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| 05:52.59 | simonrvn | it got signed off by whomever signed it... |
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| 05:55.47 | gce | anyone have a link to a good expect script that will change the password for a user on multiple systems ? |
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| 05:58.28 | sunson | gce: I have one general script that can be used to supply _a_ given passwd by prompting for it once and using it in multiple places |
| 05:58.40 | sunson | but it can't "change password" - you might need to muck around with it |
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| 06:06.17 | gce | sunson: thanks I've got one similar to that unfortunately my expect/pexpect skills are lousy so I'm looking for something that just works ... thanks though |
| 06:06.18 | Bushmills | gce: use chpasswd to avoid need of expect |
| 06:06.50 | StefanNET | StefanNET is back! But that not mean that you might PM me. So DO not PM me, ask on channel what you need. |
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| 06:07.50 | gce | Bushmills: unfortunately the current password has already expired ... no direct root logins allowed |
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| 06:08.57 | gce | thinks I'm stuck doing it manually this time |
| 06:09.54 | aburch | StefanNET: Please switch the "StefanNET is back!" message off. Thanks. /msg dpkg away |
| 06:10.04 | Bushmills | why don't you use kes based ssh login instead of password? |
| 06:10.08 | Bushmills | key |
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| 06:12.16 | kompulsive | bushmills: ...as in the whiskey? |
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| 06:12.54 | Bushmills | or as in town where that broth is made |
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| 06:20.39 | elnur | Which FTP server would you recommend? |
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| 06:24.41 | k-man | elnur: use sftp instead |
| 06:24.44 | k-man | its more secure |
| 06:24.54 | elnur | k-man, instead of what? |
| 06:24.59 | k-man | ftp |
| 06:25.05 | k-man | you asked for an ftp server |
| 06:25.47 | Zbyshek | it's not necessary for public anonymous downloads for example |
| 06:25.49 | elnur | k-man, it just seemd to me like you're talkign about protocol, not server :) |
| 06:25.59 | Zbyshek | elnur: i would recommend vsftpd |
| 06:26.10 | k-man | elnur: oh, ok i guess i was sorta |
| 06:26.20 | k-man | Zbyshek: true |
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| 06:27.19 | elnur | Zbyshek, thanks. btw, have you tried pureftpd? |
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| 06:27.52 | Zbyshek | elnur: no, only proftpd and vsftpd |
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| 06:28.07 | elnur | Heh, seems like community likes vsftpd |
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| 06:30.29 | Zbyshek | elnur: it's even supported by commercial companies like Red Hat |
| 06:30.51 | elnur | Zbyshek, that means something |
| 06:31.47 | Zbyshek | elnur: so it's worth to try. unfortunately you can't have more ftp servers in debian, like http servers for example... |
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| 06:32.13 | RandPaul | is it legal to make a linux distro and include in the TOU that niggers can't use the product or receive support? |
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| 06:32.51 | elnur | Zbyshek, i'm almost installing it. thanks again :0 |
| 06:32.52 | elnur | * :) |
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| 06:35.17 | Zalithian | Is it possible for a newb to install debian without burning it to CD? I'm dual booting FC12 and XP. I want to install Debian too but I'm all out of CD's. |
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| 06:35.53 | Zalithian | I have it installed in VMWare but it's pretty slow/not full screen. |
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| 06:38.45 | tuv | the env var MAIL for root is set to /var/mail/root, but exim delivers to /var/mail/mail |
| 06:39.00 | tuv | how can i tell exim to deliver root's mail to /var/mail/root? |
| 06:39.10 | nevyn | RandPaul: it might fall foul of anti discrimination law in some juristictions |
| 06:39.24 | aburch | Zalithian: Can your computer boot from USB memory sticks? http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst#verysmall has images for that as well (requires a working internet connection during install). |
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| 06:39.58 | aburch | tuv: IIRC exim will never deliver mail as root. It's a bad idea to do so as well. |
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| 06:40.30 | Zalithian | Yep. I believe it can. Which would I put on the flash drive? |
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| 06:42.04 | Zalithian | DebianInstaller is blank there. That would be my first guess. :o |
| 06:42.17 | Zalithian | oh wait |
| 06:42.33 | tuv | aburch: what's bad about it? |
| 06:42.45 | aburch | Zalithian: See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03.html.en. amd64 should be similar if you want that. |
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| 06:42.56 | Zalithian | There's another tab. So the initrd, linux and pxelinux? |
| 06:43.01 | aburch | tuv: More stuff running as root is generally bad. |
| 06:43.48 | aburch | tuv: And running a mail reader is not related to system administration and thus should not be done as root either. |
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| 06:44.36 | aburch | Zalithian: pxelinux would be for netboot. You need to download hd-media/boot.img.gz, then zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sdX (you USB stick). |
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| 06:44.45 | tuv | aburch: i'm directing all local mail of a network to one machine for easier administration, and don't want to create a dedicated user for that |
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| 06:45.09 | tuv | aburch: it's all local machine mail that's mostly related to administration |
| 06:45.43 | elnur | What is the difference with ftp and sftp? Why I get chrooted to my home dir with ftp but don't with sftp? |
| 06:46.14 | aburch | tuv: Then tell exim to not deliver local mail at all and send it to the other host instead. No need to deliver mail as root. |
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| 06:47.29 | Zbyshek | elnur: it's all about the settings... for sftp you have to do more I think |
| 06:49.25 | tuv | aburch: that's what i'm doing. i'm talking about the machine receiving all that mail. all my users have the same priviliges to the network so it's difficult to pick one and leave the others. either i keep all the mail in root mail, or forward to all |
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| 06:49.48 | jpinx-eeepc | elnur: sftp = secure file transfer protocol ;) |
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| 06:50.25 | elnur | I thought that SFTP is like FTP + SSL. |
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| 06:50.52 | tuv | elnur: sftp is file transfer over ssh |
| 06:51.01 | aburch | elnur: sftp is something-ftp-like over ssh, ftps is ftp + ssl. |
| 06:51.11 | zcat[1] | basically ftp through ssh isn't it? |
| 06:51.25 | elnur | aburch, aha, sftp and ftps! got it :) |
| 06:51.27 | elnur | thanks |
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| 06:52.02 | tuv | zcat[1]: i don't think it's ftp. ftp is a protocol with its own servers. sftp is completely handled by sshd |
| 06:52.38 | aburch | tuv: You can redirect to several users in /etc/aliases or setup a shared mailbox (depending on how you handle mail). |
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| 06:58.34 | sparr | what is "[jbd2/hda3-8]" and why does iotop tell me it's spiking writes at random while i'm not doing much that should require repetetive writes? hda3 is my / |
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| 07:05.52 | lk | sparr, have you tried running smartctl -a /dev/hda? |
| 07:08.36 | sparr | have to install it, just a moment |
| 07:10.31 | sparr | a lot of attributes are above their threshold |
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| 07:10.44 | sparr | most of them, actually |
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| 07:15.22 | lk | Can you pastebinit? |
| 07:16.05 | lk | sparr, also, if it indicates the drive is failing, you may want to look into backing up and replacing the drive asap. |
| 07:16.11 | sparr | http://pastebin.com/8wSJEKax |
| 07:16.35 | sparr | lk: yes, most of my drives are failing of old age, i am aware of that, but it doesn't explain random writes does it? |
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| 07:18.39 | Trewas | sparr: it is quite normal to get (small) random writes to /, for example writing logs, updating atimes or prograams using /tmp |
| 07:19.32 | sparr | yes, but this is constant |
| 07:19.37 | sparr | i can hear the drive accessing |
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| 07:19.46 | lk | sparr, this output doesn't look all that bad. I wondered if maybe the writes were amplified by errors. |
| 07:19.54 | sparr | happens for a few minutes at a time, and iotop tells me that jbd2 is doing the writes |
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| 07:26.49 | royu | what's matter with portmap ? |
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| 07:36.27 | AlexC_ | morning |
| 07:37.24 | AlexC_ | on 2 different Lenny installs, same version - 'vim' is showing different syntax highlighting colors. In fact, when I do for example 'vim /etc/bash.bash' I get syntax highlighting, and on one install I don't get any and as soon as I do ':syntax on' I get different colors to the other install |
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| 07:38.42 | petemc | AlexC_: no ~/.vimrc with syntax on and set background=dark ? |
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| 07:39.34 | AlexC_ | petemc: no, there is only a .viminfo |
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| 07:43.10 | lk | royu, start the portmap service. |
| 07:43.19 | AlexC_ | is there a global vimrc file somewhere maybe? |
| 07:43.33 | AlexC_ | a ha, there is :) |
| 07:44.05 | AlexC_ | petemc: there we go, /etc/vim/vimrc files were different, stange - I've not edited these before |
| 07:44.26 | lk | AlexC_, did you install vim manually or was it whatever came with the system? |
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| 07:44.49 | AlexC_ | lk: manually, I have the full vim - I found out the cause now though |
| 07:45.08 | lk | AlexC_, what was it? |
| 07:46.03 | AlexC_ | lk: /etc/vim/vimrc files were different. One had background=dark set, while the other was commented out |
| 07:47.02 | lk | AlexC_, and you never edited them before... was it some addon/component that did? |
| 07:47.16 | AlexC_ | I have no idea |
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| 08:09.12 | vallhalla | hello all |
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| 08:10.26 | anisfarhana | hello |
| 08:10.35 | anisfarhana | can i have different nameservers in one domain ? |
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| 08:37.31 | thrashold | is away: Gather your rosebuds while ye may... |
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| 08:48.18 | k-t| | wow, 2 weeks of no updates and the system needs 294MBs worth of archives |
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| 08:50.18 | petern_ | heh, lenny to squeeze is rather... large |
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| 08:52.32 | Bushmills | about any stable to testing is large, when stable has been stable for quite a while |
| 08:52.46 | Bushmills | things just ... change |
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| 09:35.58 | unixp | how can i see the cpu, ram performance/loading on the shell? |
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| 09:36.41 | abysed | top |
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| 09:37.12 | abysed | is my best guess :o |
| 09:37.33 | vallhalla | hey can anyone help with this please http://paste.debian.net/74617/ |
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| 09:39.43 | streuner_ | !unix lessons |
| 09:39.43 | dpkg | unix lessons is probably (1) Don't change the permissions, (2) back up your data, (3) keep it simple, stupid, (4) read the fscking manual, (5) don't fsck with package management, (6) don't type anything you don't understand, (7) always have a boot floppy or CD, (8) read your log files, (9) the FIRST error is the one that counts, (10) don't leave your root shell until you TEST your changes, (11) don't be root when you don't have to be |
| 09:39.43 | ham5 | you got mixed repos vallhalla? |
| 09:40.03 | streuner_ | vallhalla: read (9) |
| 09:40.45 | streuner_ | vallhalla: exim in this case and the error in postinst file |
| 09:40.54 | dutchfish | hi, i am trying to setup enlightenment in a new debian/squeeze box on arm, i so far ported back from unstable the most important things, but i am stuck at some levels, is there a roadmap for debian squeeze and more docs i can read? |
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| 09:42.00 | vallhalla | ham5: i belive i may have as i used netselect-apt to try to get better connections think i went wrong someware |
| 09:42.30 | streuner_ | show us your sources.list |
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| 09:42.36 | vallhalla | streuner_: i am not sur what exim is |
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| 09:42.51 | vallhalla | streuner_: ok on moment pls |
| 09:43.14 | streuner_ | vallhalla: exim is an MTA, the error comes with exim |
| 09:43.39 | vallhalla | streuner_: http://paste.debian.net/74619/ |
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| 09:44.46 | streuner_ | vallhalla: line 10, s/squeeze/lenny/ |
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| 09:45.30 | streuner_ | vallhalla: you are using testing packages (squeeze) |
| 09:46.00 | vallhalla | streuner_: so swap to stable? |
| 09:46.07 | osfd | Hi there. Let |
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| 09:46.15 | streuner_ | sure |
| 09:46.24 | vallhalla | streuner_: ok thankyou |
| 09:46.25 | streuner_ | if you want lenny/stable |
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| 09:47.19 | osfd | let's say I wanna compile and install python2.6 on my lenny but I also want pyqt4 and everything that goes well for all that. Do I have to compile qt4 for python2.6 or python2.6 for qt4 ? |
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| 09:50.47 | streuner_ | vallhalla: but i doubt that will fix the problem (exim) |
| 09:50.59 | dutchfish | osfd: i tired thta but got stuck on gcc level, you make it for yourself alot easier by starting with squeeze/testing, because thats what pyhton2.6 is atm. |
| 09:51.18 | vallhalla | streuner_: i think i will remove and reinstall should do the trick? |
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| 09:51.43 | dutchfish | s/tired thta/tried that |
| 09:52.16 | streuner_ | vallhalla: just try "apt-get update" after edit sources.list and and tell us what result you get via "apt-get -f install" |
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| 09:54.32 | vallhalla | streuner_: same problems |
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| 09:58.23 | dutchfish | osfd: for only python2.6 itslef you can use the ones from testing if you pull libdb4.8 from testing too. But the hard part is compiling qt4. |
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| 10:01.15 | streuner_ | vallhalla: what does "dpkg -l exim4-config" say? |
| 10:01.46 | streuner_ | judd, versions exim4-config |
| 10:01.48 | judd | exim4-config -- etch: 4.63-17; etch-backports: 4.69-9~bpo40+1; lenny: 4.69-9; lenny-backports: 4.71-2~bpo50+1; sid: 4.71-4; squeeze: 4.71-4 |
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| 10:11.30 | incredible | I have a query, I am doing nfs mounting, but when nfs server is down, I am not able to even login. Why is it so? |
| 10:11.41 | incredible | Authentication is through LDAP and ldap server is accessible even if nfs server is down |
| 10:13.18 | osfd | dutchfish: this is what I'm affraid of |
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| 10:29.46 | apol | can anybody help me get started with deb files packaging? |
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| 10:30.22 | apol | or at least point me out to a doc that doesn't try to eat me? :P |
| 10:31.22 | Arrowmaster | the new maintainers guide is the only doc i know of |
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| 10:41.31 | icebrain | !tell apol about debian-mentors |
| 10:41.41 | icebrain | !tell apol about mentors |
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| 10:42.01 | apol | hmmm |
| 10:42.44 | icebrain | apol: also, ask dpkg about nmg, I found it rather easy to follow, very step by step based |
| 10:43.58 | apol | icebrain: nmg? |
| 10:44.08 | icebrain | !tell apol about nmg |
| 10:45.10 | Kamping_Kaiser | how can i find out the hardware specs of debian hosts? i can't remember the site where its detailed :( |
| 10:45.14 | Kamping_Kaiser | *build hosts |
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| 10:59.20 | _ke | does anyone use djbdns/dbndns without daemontools, i.e. with an init script? |
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| 11:22.24 | raven | any experience with linux on MOBILES? need help please |
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| 11:25.01 | comsa | u can buy a mobil with linux on |
| 11:25.29 | raven | comsa, i need to install it on myself |
| 11:25.55 | comsa | good luck with that :) |
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| 11:26.48 | abrotman | raven: which mobile? which OS? |
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| 11:28.26 | raven | abrotman, samsung s5230 - os .... do not know but version is s5230xpja1 |
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| 11:28.59 | comsa | raven try this http://tuxmobil.org/phones_linux.html |
| 11:31.05 | raven | comsa, does not appear - not well |
| 11:32.17 | abrotman | raven: Are you going to install Debian on your device? |
| 11:32.37 | raven | abrotman, any linux would be nice.... |
| 11:32.56 | abrotman | raven: you should probably spend some time googling and see if your device can run linux at all, not all devices can |
| 11:33.20 | raven | abrotman, i know but i do not know how to find out |
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| 11:33.37 | abrotman | raven: google "samsung s5230 linux" would be a good start |
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| 11:33.51 | LISC | Implementacja bluetooth-a pod Debian-em Lenny działa świetnie, bez problemu można dodać różne urządzenia bluetooth. Jednka do zaprojektowania mam, komunikacje 3 osób, + 4 do obsługi stanowiska. Zaplecze: Soft: Debian 5 Lenny && bluez. Hard: 3 mikrofony bluetooth o zasięgu 100 metrów, dongle bluetoth, laptop/notebook. Pojawia się pytanie, czy znacie konkretny soft, aby tych 3 jego mości mogło rozmawiać jednocześnie prze |
| 11:33.52 | LISC | przerobić pod tą konretną sytuacje? (dodam iż rozwiąznie słuchawki mulitpoint odpadaja, za mała kontrola nad parametrami ) Cel: Osiągnięcie takiej sytuacji, we której, każdy z rozmówców słyszy sie na wzajem oraz może bez przeszkód mówić do siebie, tryb konferencji. |
| 11:34.01 | raven | gives me nothing about linux ON the device only linux WITH it |
| 11:34.03 | abrotman | LISC: english please |
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| 11:34.10 | \amethyst | !pl |
| 11:34.10 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, pl is polska -> #debian-pl (on irc.freenode.net). Also, pl is a common extension for perl scripts and is sometimes used as an abbreviation for "packet loss". |
| 11:34.10 | abrotman | raven: wrong .. look down a few links |
| 11:34.19 | raven | where? |
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| 11:34.36 | abrotman | raven: or perhaps that means it is not possible. Go do some research first. |
| 11:34.45 | raven | url pls |
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| 11:35.18 | abrotman | google.com |
| 11:35.28 | raven | special url |
| 11:35.45 | abrotman | i'm not doing your research for you. |
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| 11:40.13 | notit | well lesse how this burns down on a nice new i5-660 + usb3 + sata3 ;-) |
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| 11:42.45 | notit | lesse; ga-h55m-usb3 + i5-660 + st31000528as + 2x2GB corsair xms3 ddr3 1600 |
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| 11:44.43 | siimo | whats the default bootloader in unstable currently? |
| 11:44.56 | macrobat | grub2 |
| 11:45.08 | siimo | ok :| |
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| 11:45.49 | macrobat | you can install grub legacy first, upgrade to unstable second |
| 11:46.21 | lindi- | raven: just buy openmoko and you can run debian on your phone. i have run it for two years now |
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| 11:46.40 | notit | there u go - see raven - in debian we trust ;) |
| 11:46.41 | macrobat | idk how update-grub and such things would work, though |
| 11:47.18 | notit | macrobat: at least youd have a chance to cross-combile system binaries tho rite? |
| 11:47.38 | macrobat | more than i know |
| 11:47.49 | siimo | yeah i spent hrs trying to figure out why grub2 wont boot another os on another partition, well i think its booting it but screen remains blank.. i suspect some kind of bootsplash or something kickin in |
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| 11:48.34 | macrobat | isn't grub2 even more capable than old grub? |
| 11:49.02 | siimo | it probably is but i cant get it to work properly |
| 11:49.17 | siimo | maybe im too noob |
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| 11:50.44 | macrobat | there is #grub :) |
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| 11:50.44 | Ziber | why does debian complain about the locales, even after i've run "locale-gen en_US.UTF-8"? |
| 11:51.55 | abrotman | Ziber: we would need more details |
| 11:52.30 | Bushmills | Ziber: because some programs find incorrect, non-existant of wrong locales in the environment variables which tell them which ones to use |
| 11:52.34 | Ziber | compiling something atm, i'll pastebin the exact error afterward. |
| 11:52.44 | Ziber | aptitude is complaining that en_US.UTF-8 isnt installed |
| 11:53.40 | Ziber | http://zpaste.org/37374 |
| 11:54.02 | notit | ok here we go encrypted lvm'd debian :> |
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| 11:56.25 | notit | ok so what debian-multimedia... any suggestions for a desktop install? |
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| 12:04.30 | jelly | dpkg, tell Ziber about locales |
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| 12:11.11 | jelly | notit: use /msg dpkg something, instead |
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| 12:24.07 | Wilthril | hi guys |
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| 12:25.56 | Wilthril | i have a question about ssh but it's kinda hard to explain... |
| 12:27.21 | Wilthril | when you connect to a ssh server and run some program that takes lots of time (like encoding), is there a way that the program is still running after the ssh client disconnects? |
| 12:27.48 | Dassu | yes |
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| 12:28.24 | ham5 | wilthril server running screen? |
| 12:28.27 | ham5 | use that |
| 12:28.31 | abrotman | Wilthril: look at 'screen' or 'nohup' |
| 12:28.50 | Wilthril | ok thanks |
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| 12:33.17 | Wilthril | nohup does the trick thanks a lot |
| 12:33.26 | Mikey^ | Hey |
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| 12:34.08 | abrotman | Wilthril: screen is far more flexible, but requires more learning |
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| 12:34.31 | Mikey^ | I have debian lenny with gnome. I would like to set a custom dns, but there is no option in nm-applet to do that. I tried setting it in /etc/resolv.conf. But it keep changing back after couple of minutes |
| 12:34.32 | Ziber | i dont think it requires much learning, at least not for simple use. |
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| 12:36.26 | rgr | resolv.conf is written dynamically isnt it? What do you mean by "set a custom dns"? You mean run your own dns? |
| 12:36.44 | Mikey^ | rgr: I mean I would like to use a different dns server |
| 12:36.54 | Mikey^ | not the one that is set by the router |
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| 12:37.22 | rgr | well, I run bind, and my clients "just find it". I set my router to use that server as the dns too. |
| 12:37.29 | Wilthril | abrotman: i'll give screen a try later, but now nohup is enough :) |
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| 12:38.21 | Mikey^ | rgr: No, I dont want to run a dns server, I want to use another dns server than want is present in the router. |
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| 12:38.41 | rgr | normally you can set the router for that. |
| 12:38.44 | Mikey^ | because the one I use is faster |
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| 12:39.39 | Mikey^ | I have done it in fedora at work, just right click network manager applet and I can type the dns I want it to use for that particular network |
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| 12:39.54 | Mikey^ | It seems to be a different applet in debian |
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| 12:40.09 | Mikey^ | or older version maybe |
| 12:40.40 | abrotman | or different patchset |
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| 12:42.15 | Mikey^ | rgr: is there way to do it ? |
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| 12:43.13 | notit | nice, good save google |
| 12:43.21 | notit | *pets the interwebz* |
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| 12:43.35 | notit | ok dual bootable, bbiab |
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| 12:45.19 | Bop | what does "c" means in aptitude ? |
| 12:46.00 | abrotman | in what context ? |
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| 12:46.07 | Bop | aptitude search |
| 12:46.21 | lgghj | if I boot with a debian 64bit cd iso in a computer with 32bit processor, how long will it proceed before it stops/crashes ???? |
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| 12:46.23 | Bop | it lists a package with "c" , cant install it |
| 12:46.56 | frostschutz | lgghj: it won't boot |
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| 12:47.17 | lgghj | so the installation will never start? |
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| 12:47.40 | lgghj | and if it starts then cpu is 64bit |
| 12:47.57 | frostschutz | lgghj: most likely |
| 12:48.03 | abrotman | Bop: put the command and the output in a pastebin |
| 12:48.06 | lgghj | ok thanks |
| 12:48.16 | lgghj | how can I check which processor I got? |
| 12:48.26 | abrotman | lgghj: if you choose the correct 64bit installer (amd64 is the one you want) |
| 12:48.29 | frostschutz | cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 12:48.54 | lgghj | okej |
| 12:48.57 | Bop | abrotman, http://www.bpaste.net/show/6597/ |
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| 12:49.40 | abrotman | Bop: for starters, it doesn't exist |
| 12:50.01 | Bop | why list if it doesnt exist ? |
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| 12:51.10 | abrotman | Bop: are you using unstable? |
| 12:51.20 | lgghj | i386 is the standard iso for new computers with 32 bit processors? |
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| 12:51.22 | Bop | abrotman, no , lenny |
| 12:51.26 | fetcher_ | Hi. i want to execute a shell script at the startup (lenny) which file is the right one? |
| 12:51.32 | Bop | lgghj, yes |
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| 12:51.40 | lgghj | Thanks |
| 12:51.50 | fetcher_ | can anybody help me? |
| 12:51.51 | Bop | fetcher_, at boot startup , or at user startup ? |
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| 12:52.18 | abrotman | Bop: then you definitely don't have that kernel available |
| 12:52.20 | fetcher_ | Bob: boot startup |
| 12:52.21 | abrotman | judd: kernels |
| 12:52.23 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.33-2-686 (2.6.33-1~experimental.5); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-13); squeeze: 2.6.32-3-686 (2.6.32-9); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.4-686 (2.6.32-11~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-21lenny4); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
| 12:52.35 | Bop | fetcher_, put the comands in /etc/rc.local |
| 12:52.37 | abrotman | Bop: you're using lenny, and even with backports.org enabled, you'd still only have a .32 kernel |
| 12:52.38 | lgghj | how hard is it to create a bootable USB with debain iso in it? |
| 12:52.46 | fetcher_ | great thanks Bob |
| 12:52.49 | abrotman | !tell lgghj about usb install |
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| 12:52.59 | Bop | abrotman, ok then , just wondering why it tell "c" |
| 12:53.15 | abrotman | Bop: i'm looking for the reference .. but ulimately, you can't install it |
| 12:53.28 | Bop | ok |
| 12:53.52 | abrotman | Bop: if you `dpkg -l linux-image-2.6.33-2-686` .. what does the line say ? |
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| 12:54.15 | Bop | rc linux-image-2.6.33-2-686 2.6.33-1~experimental.5 Linux 2.6.33 for modern PCs |
| 12:55.09 | abrotman | Bop: looks like you had it installed for some f'ed up reason, and you removed it, the 'c' means conffiles remain |
| 12:55.23 | Bop | oh ok |
| 12:55.33 | Bop | yeah i've tried to install |
| 12:55.51 | Bop | but it would require linux-base as dep |
| 12:55.55 | Bop | then i sayed no |
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| 12:56.15 | abrotman | good plan |
| 12:56.20 | abrotman | !tell bop about bpo |
| 12:57.02 | Bop | what about it abrotman |
| 12:57.10 | Bop | i have bpo in my sources.list |
| 12:57.11 | abrotman | see what the bot told you in PM |
| 12:57.16 | Bop | i've read |
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| 12:57.20 | abrotman | Bop: aptitude -t lenny-backports install linux-image-686 |
| 12:57.29 | Bop | hmm |
| 12:57.59 | Bop | same |
| 12:58.24 | abrotman | same what? |
| 12:58.38 | Bop | i dont want 2.6.32 |
| 12:58.44 | Bop | it hangs my computer |
| 12:58.59 | abrotman | oh .. then ignore me! |
| 12:59.03 | Bop | ok |
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| 12:59.18 | Bop | ill wait some more days |
| 12:59.19 | Bop | no problem |
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| 13:19.03 | danboid | I do realise its prob not the channels (or any FLOSS project's) fave question but I'd like a rough idea of when we can expect the next stable deb release please? |
| 13:19.29 | achilles | hello, is there a way to let users use my network printer without the need to install a driver for each client machine ? I tried cups, but it looks to me like just defining printers and let others use it via samba, am I correct ? |
| 13:20.09 | vsmatck | danboid: You can look at this chart and try to make a projection. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debian#Release_history |
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| 13:21.06 | danboid | achilles, many network printers don't require drivers as you can often just ftp a PDF or PS file to them |
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| 13:21.23 | ||cw | achilles: well, windows needs drivers.... if you use CUPS you can use one of the postscript drivers windows includes though, like the apple laserwiters, or use SMB and install the driver of your choice to the samba instance |
| 13:21.28 | achilles | danboid, I followed the article http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/425 |
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| 13:21.32 | Bushmills | achilles: no. clients with cups support installed can print through samba server |
| 13:22.03 | achilles | wait a minute guys, are you telling me that users can connect to the printer without the need for the driver ? |
| 13:22.17 | Bushmills | right |
| 13:22.18 | achilles | I have my samba that shows the printer and cups as well |
| 13:22.29 | achilles | Bushmills, how is that ? |
| 13:22.29 | ||cw | achilles: windows ALWAYS need a driver. you can use one of the built i ones though |
| 13:22.37 | ||cw | s/i/in/ |
| 13:22.38 | Bushmills | samba is not usually needed. unless you want to print from a windows box |
| 13:22.50 | achilles | yes exactly I have windows users |
| 13:23.14 | achilles | when I connect to the printer, windows says that the driver supported by the server isn't suitable |
| 13:23.22 | vlt | Hello. A lenny machine crashed while performing a reshape/grow operation on a raid5 md array. This is what it looked like just before it died: http://www.pastebin.org/274385 -- I booted a live CD and don't want to make things worse now. Anything I should take care of now? |
| 13:23.40 | ||cw | then install one to samba that is suitable |
| 13:23.52 | Bushmills | can't say a lot about samba and cups - never used cups from windows machines |
| 13:24.03 | ||cw | windows printers and shared drivers is quite a pain |
| 13:24.12 | ||cw | there are many samba howto's for adding drivers |
| 13:24.52 | achilles | ||cw, well I tried to add the drivers but I have a problem when performing the command cupsaddsmb -H localhost -U root -a -v |
| 13:25.01 | achilles | it says No Windows printer drivers are installed! |
| 13:25.03 | achilles | while there is |
| 13:25.12 | ||cw | vlt: start starting the array continue? |
| 13:25.43 | ||cw | achilles: you sure? it's not something i do simply because it's such a pain to make work right |
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| 13:26.29 | ||cw | I either pick a driver manually, or use Windows IPP client support to print directly to CUPS using one of the laserwriter drivers |
| 13:26.58 | Bushmills | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:27.10 | vlt | ||cw: Ik, I'll try ... |
| 13:27.15 | vlt | *OK |
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| 13:27.22 | achilles | ||cw, http://pastebin.org/274427 |
| 13:27.28 | henriquelm | Hello there |
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| 13:28.16 | achilles | so you advice using cups to sharep printers not samba ? |
| 13:28.22 | vlt | ||cw: The reshaping continues. |
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| 13:28.59 | ||cw | achilles: it's what i do, but i only have one-offs |
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| 13:29.55 | henriquelm | How can I get debian to use colors on text mode? |
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| 13:30.54 | lindi- | henriquelm: each program has its own color settings |
| 13:31.55 | henriquelm | lindi-, I mean that other linux distros use colors on terminal and through ssh, but debian 5.5 looks only black and white |
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| 13:32.21 | lindi- | henriquelm: what programs for example? |
| 13:33.08 | liable | uncomment the lines in your .bashrc |
| 13:33.31 | jordanm | henriquelm: you're probably just looking to set aliases so you get get grep --color and ls --color by default.. as well as a new PS1 |
| 13:34.03 | vlt | ||cw: If this even works after a crash, is it safe to shutdown now (to stop running from live CD and bring the real system up)? |
| 13:34.14 | achilles | ||cw, I can't understand something please, is it necessary to have samba to push drivers ? or cups can do the job away of samba ? |
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| 13:35.24 | ||cw | vlt: if you start the array and it seems OK, yes |
| 13:36.01 | ||cw | achilles: cups requires manual config on each client, samba is the only way to do any sort of automation |
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| 13:38.38 | henriquelm | jordanm, thanks |
| 13:38.41 | achilles | ||cw, ah, I see thank you |
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| 13:44.40 | vlt | ||cw: Thank you. |
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| 13:47.56 | ldlework | Hi I am about to get a new VPS for personal web-hosting needs. Can anyone suggest to me whether I should go with Squeeze or Lenny and the pro's and con's maybe? |
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| 13:51.17 | ham5 | get a clue |
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| 13:52.23 | liable | ldlework: if its going to face the internet, use stable (lenny) |
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| 13:53.28 | Bushmills | ldlework: more or less the same as for your desktop. personal web is not mission critical |
| 13:53.29 | ldlework | liable, wont I be find myself longing for squeeze in a few short months if I do? |
| 13:54.08 | liable | ldlework: yes, when squeeze releases, you'll have to upgrade. not generally a big deal |
| 13:54.11 | vsmatck | Is there a way to get the results of a command to show up on gnome-panel? |
| 13:54.32 | ldlework | liable, major-version upgrades are generally smooth these days? |
| 13:55.12 | liable | ldlework: if you follow the release notes, yeah. |
| 13:55.48 | liable | third party software can cause issues if you use it sometimes. |
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| 13:56.26 | liable | ldlework: it usually pays to wait a little bit after release so other can iron out the bugs :) |
| 13:56.42 | ldlework | liable, alright. Hey do you have an estimate on Squeeze stable? |
| 13:56.49 | ldlework | 1 month, 6 months, a year? |
| 13:57.01 | liable | !wwsr |
| 13:57.01 | dpkg | Squeeze will release <WIR>, <SIYH>. No release schedule is done yet. Ask me about <squeeze bet>. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2010/05/msg00000.html |
| 13:57.18 | ldlework | Gotcha |
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| 14:01.01 | newb0 | Debian is resetting my nameserver at resolv.conf. How can I avoid this? |
| 14:01.18 | petemc | newb0: its generally dhcp does that |
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| 14:01.33 | OpenTokix | newb0: you can add dns-directives in your /etc/network/interfaces |
| 14:01.49 | petemc | newb0: /msg dpkg fixresolvconf |
| 14:01.51 | OpenTokix | newb0: then resolvconf, that is the package handling this. Will take that information and ignore the dhcp-provided. |
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| 14:02.19 | newb0 | I have no DHCP anymore, I will try this |
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| 14:02.50 | Hacksign | I want change my linux bootup logo.but why there still have nothing when i bootup linux ? |
| 14:03.06 | zak_ | is it possible to extract music from an AVI file using Lame ? |
| 14:03.22 | ||cw | zak_: use a demuxer first |
| 14:03.26 | Vmanz | ^ |
| 14:03.28 | Hacksign | I'v made a under 224 color ppm image,and replaced the clut224.ppm in logo directory |
| 14:03.45 | liable | what logo directory? |
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| 14:05.00 | Hacksign | liable, /usr/linux/<kernel-version>/drivers/video/logo/ |
| 14:06.39 | liable | Hacksign: what information are you following? are you running debian? |
| 14:06.53 | thechef | How can I configure ubuntu (nouveau graphics driver) to use an edid information from a file instead from screen? the nvidia driver can do so easily |
| 14:06.54 | liable | that directory doesnt exist on my box |
| 14:07.33 | Bushmills | thechef: why should anyone here know? |
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| 14:08.57 | compaq | hi |
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| 14:10.17 | thechef | Bushmills, by accident :) - i usually just ask instead of asking to ask |
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| 14:11.04 | Bushmills | do you do that on all channels you are on? asking questions just "on chance" even if they are not related to your question? |
| 14:11.31 | Bushmills | that is usually called "crossposting" and frowned upon |
| 14:11.39 | thechef | Bushmills, related by my personal guess |
| 14:12.23 | Bushmills | asking "how to configure ubuntu" on a non-ubuntu channel is not related |
| 14:13.03 | thechef | But nouveau is a graphics driver contained in debian |
| 14:13.05 | Bushmills | why don't you ask on the channel which is the authority on that matter? |
| 14:14.02 | Bushmills | you could also ask on #bsd - by you logic it is related because bsd comes on a cd too |
| 14:14.04 | Hacksign | liable, no,not debian.But I think this is none of busneiss of debian.... |
| 14:14.23 | compaq | what package is for multimedia keyboards |
| 14:14.40 | thechef | Okay, where is the authority to help identify if a matter is related? |
| 14:14.42 | liable | Hacksign: it is, because debian doesnt have that directory, or a boot logo by default |
| 14:14.53 | Bushmills | #ubuntu would be the proper place to ask |
| 14:15.00 | liable | jeebus |
| 14:15.04 | Bushmills | you could have guessed that |
| 14:15.19 | lgghj | I want to run a deabin system as FTP server |
| 14:15.24 | liable | i know, i try not to jump the shark too much though :P |
| 14:15.37 | lgghj | which FTP package do you reccomend for me? |
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| 14:16.48 | Hacksign | liable, yep,I complied the kernel which is downloaded from kernel.org |
| 14:17.08 | Batchy | lgghj: if it was me, i would recommand not to use FTP. It's unsecure and broken. |
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| 14:17.44 | gartt | FTP is the devil's transfer protocol |
| 14:18.18 | liable | !splashy |
| 14:18.18 | dpkg | Splashy is a boot splash program requiring no patching of the Linux kernel. Packaged for Lenny and Squeeze. http://splashy.alioth.debian.org/wiki/faq http://splashy.alioth.debian.org/ #splashy on irc.freenode.net. |
| 14:18.29 | liable | Hacksign: ^^ try that |
| 14:19.01 | Hacksign | liable,try what ? !splashy ? |
| 14:19.12 | jelly | lgghj: vsftpd probably |
| 14:19.22 | liable | yes, splashy is a boot logo thingy |
| 14:19.33 | thechef | ehm sorry, the problem is not ubuntu related i had |
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| 14:20.17 | Bushmills | "how can i configure ubuntu..." *is* ubuntu related |
| 14:20.53 | thechef | Yes, but i have the same problem on a debian box |
| 14:21.04 | thechef | the same box |
| 14:21.19 | Bushmills | then it may help that you got the solutuion for it from #ubuntu already |
| 14:21.23 | ||cw | so don't ask about ubuntu... |
| 14:21.35 | wvae | hi , i m planing about installing squeeze in my eee ( 1005ha ) which one to choose out of these http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/iso-cd/ and are these LATEST images ? |
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| 14:22.40 | wvae | iw ant basic install with desktop environment and basic softwares |
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| 14:23.21 | liable | woodworks: you might want to check out the eee wiki .. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC |
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| 14:23.30 | jelly | thechef: which debian release are you running? |
| 14:23.35 | liable | theres a #debian-eeepc channel on oftc as well |
| 14:24.01 | newb0 | I'm reseiving the message "lockfile creation failed: exceed maximum number of lock attemps". What is generating this?!? |
| 14:24.10 | newb0 | *receiving |
| 14:24.23 | jelly | thechef: I'm not sure nouveau, or any free driver, actually has that functionality. If it had, its manual page would probably mention it |
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| 14:24.30 | liable | newb0: what program? |
| 14:24.37 | zak_ | how to extract audio from an avi file using ffmpeg ? |
| 14:24.58 | newb0 | liable: I don't know, I'm at terminal and just receive the message :S |
| 14:25.20 | ||cw | zak_: ask ffmeg's suppport? |
| 14:25.31 | liable | newb0: see if any of the logs mention |
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| 14:26.13 | jelly | thechef: you could set up manual Modelines, HorizSync and VertRefresh in xorg.conf, like it'd been done in the days of olde |
| 14:26.52 | wvae | hi , i m planing about installing squeeze in my eee ( 1005ha ) which one to choose out of these http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/iso-cd/ and are these LATEST images ? |
| 14:27.22 | liable | wvae: you might want to check out the eee wiki .. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC |
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| 14:27.28 | newb0 | liable: trying find, no success yet :( but finding |
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| 14:27.41 | wvae | ok liable |
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| 14:31.50 | thechef | jelly, but how will text mode console get to know these settings? |
| 14:32.03 | newb0 | liable: not found in any log :( |
| 14:32.17 | jelly | thechef: who said anything about text mode! |
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| 14:33.41 | newb0 | liable: All I found at google: http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=2&ved=0CB0QFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fpeople.debian.org%2F~lucas%2Flogs%2F2009%2F06%2F20%2Fartha_0.8.0-1_lsid64.buildlog&ei=CI76S_mRHsezuAek7IG-Dg&usg=AFQjCNFUVJs1MsRbCG8oMKy58P1Wh-RPJQ&sig2=_HQ6vz4Vr9Me8EeEaLgC_Q |
| 14:33.42 | macrobat | newb0: "jobs" |
| 14:35.31 | r0nin | at google, haha |
| 14:36.38 | newb0 | macrobat: With your hint I executed all cron jobs, I received no error at them |
| 14:36.57 | lgghj | ok I want to create a SFTP |
| 14:37.05 | lgghj | which packages do you recommend? |
| 14:37.07 | ldlework | Does anyone have a sort of like checklist for setting up a fresh server? Like PAM, Apache, SSH, FTP, etc |
| 14:37.17 | newb0 | r0nin: Why?! You don't know google?!?! oO' |
| 14:37.21 | newb0 | :P |
| 14:38.12 | edrz | i have a printing question: lp -d printer foo |
| 14:38.21 | edrz | says |
| 14:38.22 | edrz | lp: The printer or class was not found. |
| 14:38.50 | Bushmills | ldlework: "server" != "server". what about web server without ftp? or, a name server with ssh, but without apache? |
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| 14:39.04 | edrz | i have it set up on a lenny install ... but, can't quite figure out what is different in squeeze |
| 14:39.47 | edrz | or what I've forgotten to configure in squeeze that I had done in lenny |
| 14:39.48 | Bushmills | ldlework: i reckon it is up to you to determine what services you want to run on the server |
| 14:39.50 | ldlework | Bushmills, I basically just need base-security + AMP - PHP + Python |
| 14:39.53 | ldlework | =) |
| 14:40.07 | Bushmills | ldlework: there is a LAMP howto |
| 14:40.11 | rgr | zak_: -i isnt it? I dont have it install now. |
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| 14:41.13 | zak_ | rgr: ? |
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| 14:41.51 | newb0 | lgghj: Use openssh-server or this: http://www.directadmin.com/forum/showthread.php?t=30607 |
| 14:42.06 | rgr | you asked how to extract audio using ggmpeg before getting the rather useless "ask ffmpeg support"reply from ||cw |
| 14:42.30 | ||cw | well, it is rather off topic |
| 14:42.43 | ||cw | ffmpeg isn't debian specific |
| 14:42.52 | rgr | no it isnt. no more than people asking help with any gnu/linux sw shipped with debian. |
| 14:43.00 | rgr | neither is grub |
| 14:43.25 | ||cw | except that the way debian uses grub is specific |
| 14:43.33 | rgr | or cron or .... whatever. |
| 14:44.00 | ||cw | and debian defaults and conf file layouts are quite different than upstream defaults for many things... |
| 14:44.08 | ||cw | but ffmeg command lien flags are not one of them |
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| 14:44.45 | ||cw | I could lmgtfy link him, but IMO that's more rude |
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| 14:45.10 | zak_ | rgr: i tried this mplayer -vo null -vc null -ao pcm yanni2006.avi audio.wav video , but it encode at 128 kpbs, and i want it a 192 kpbs :/ wher to pass the option |
| 14:45.38 | ||cw | it's also rude to ask for "free support" without at least first doing a cursory search |
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| 14:46.00 | rgr | ||cw: whatever floats your boat. irc needs more petty net nannys like you. |
| 14:46.31 | ||cw | zak_: try -ao copy |
| 14:46.52 | zak_ | instead of pcm ? |
| 14:46.55 | ||cw | yeah |
| 14:47.10 | zak_ | i thought i just need to pass the option to encode at 192 but don't know where to write that option |
| 14:47.14 | ||cw | do you know what format it's already in? |
| 14:47.35 | ||cw | pcm is raw WAV format, it doens't have such options |
| 14:47.45 | zak_ | i think it is a .wav |
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| 14:48.13 | zak_ | Opening audio decoder: [mp3lib] MPEG layer-2, layer-3 |
| 14:48.14 | zak_ | AUDIO: 48000 Hz, 2 ch, s16le, 128.0 kbit/8.33% (ratio: 16000->192000) |
| 14:48.15 | ||cw | if you are then encoding with lame, you have to give the lame option for bitrate, which you'd have to lookup in the man page |
| 14:48.48 | ||cw | well, if the source is 128, then it's 128. encoding to 192 gets you nothing |
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| 14:49.35 | ||cw | and it's already mp3 as well, so -ao copy will dump an mp3 |
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| 14:50.20 | zak_ | :) |
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| 14:50.54 | zak_ | or ''lame audio.wav video.mp3'' |
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| 14:51.37 | Without | hi |
| 14:51.48 | Without | how can i get the apache 2.2.15 version by using apt-get ? |
| 14:53.21 | icebrain | zak_: that'll uncompress and recompress, resulting in quality loss (mp3 is lossy). You're much better off doing -ao copy |
| 14:53.45 | jordanm | ,versions apache2 |
| 14:53.46 | judd | apache2 -- etch: 2.2.3-4+etch11; etch-security: 2.2.3-4+etch11; lenny: 2.2.9-10+lenny6; lenny-security: 2.2.9-10+lenny7; sid: 2.2.15-5; squeeze: 2.2.15-5 |
| 14:53.47 | ||cw | zak_: no, it's already an mp3, just use audio.mp3. using lame again will just reduce the quality more |
| 14:54.01 | jordanm | Without: why that specific version? what version of debian are you running? |
| 14:54.14 | Without | jordanm: debian lenny 5.0 |
| 14:54.34 | Without | 2.2.15 apache is the latest, i do think it's stable for me. |
| 14:54.34 | ||cw | zak_: someone in #mplayer can probably explain it better, if that still exists |
| 14:54.40 | Without | how can i grab it by using apt-get ? |
| 14:54.44 | zak_ | ok tnx:) |
| 14:55.01 | jordanm | Without: you don't, you should run the version that gets security support for your release (2.2.9) |
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| 14:55.49 | jordanm | Without: "latest" doesn't mean crap, espeically when it comes to server applications, unless you need bleeding-edge feature A, which I doubt is the case here |
| 14:55.59 | lgghj | can't you install a SFTP server on debian from just downloading some packages from synaptic? |
| 14:56.13 | jordanm | lgghj: aptitude install openssh-server |
| 14:56.32 | ||cw | lgghj: ssh includes sftp support |
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| 15:02.14 | sveajobb | Hi, I'm getting some annoying linkage errors running a 32bit java application (requires libXext.so.6) but I'm on debian 64bit, what would be a proper way to install the lib32-version? |
| 15:02.24 | sveajobb | preferably using apt-get |
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| 15:02.50 | jordanm | sveajobb: what version of debian? |
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| 15:03.19 | sveajobb | jordanm, wow, that's an excellent question, any easy way of finding that out? |
| 15:03.37 | icebrain | !debian version |
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| 15:03.38 | dpkg | To determine which Debian suite you are running, run $ cat /etc/debian_version; If this outputs "squeeze/sid", ask me about <testing/unstable>. |
| 15:03.41 | jordanm | sveajobb: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 15:03.51 | sveajobb | jordanm, 4.0 |
| 15:03.56 | sveajobb | icebrain, thank you :) |
| 15:04.03 | jordanm | ,versions libxext6 |
| 15:04.04 | judd | libxext6 -- etch: 1:1.0.1-2; lenny: 2:1.0.4-1; sid: 2:1.1.1-3; squeeze: 2:1.1.1-3 |
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| 15:04.48 | Without | jordan: what's the command to grab the apache distribution? as i can't modify on http.conf |
| 15:05.05 | jordanm | sveajobb: that looks like the package you want. 4.0 is no longer supported |
| 15:05.06 | jordanm | !tell sveajobb about apt-file |
| 15:05.06 | jordanm | !tell sveajobb about etch |
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| 15:05.17 | sveajobb | jordanm, didn't get any bot messages |
| 15:05.40 | jordanm | sveajobb: sure? the bot pmed me |
| 15:05.43 | icebrain | sveajobb: you can ask it yourself, to /msg dpkg topicname |
| 15:05.49 | icebrain | *do |
| 15:05.54 | sveajobb | Ok, I'll try that |
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| 15:18.16 | rascal999 | can nfs mount files instead of folders? |
| 15:18.44 | jordanm | I would suppose if the file was a loop device |
| 15:19.11 | rascal999 | not just a normal file then |
| 15:19.27 | jordanm | what would be the purpose?\ |
| 15:19.56 | rascal999 | i'd like to mount /etc/passwd, just the file, not etc |
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| 15:20.34 | jordanm | rascal999: implement ldap or nis |
| 15:20.57 | lgghj | A question about SFTP over SSH which I haven't tried yet, if I install it will a user be able to connect to it from filezila running on windows? |
| 15:21.00 | rascal999 | jordanm: is nis easier? |
| 15:21.02 | SerajewelKS | rascal999: you can mount the filesystem somewhere else, then symlink /etc/passwd |
| 15:21.09 | SerajewelKS | rascal999: but that would be an absolutely terrible idea |
| 15:21.12 | petemc | lgghj: yes |
| 15:21.22 | rascal999 | SerajewelKS: yeeeah |
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| 15:22.09 | lgghj | ok and he will do it without any further configuration |
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| 15:22.52 | rascal999 | jordanm: does nis send passwords in plaintext? |
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| 15:24.22 | jordanm | rascal999: no idea.. it is older and considered less secure than the alternatives |
| 15:24.50 | jordanm | I doubt it requires clear text passwords though |
| 15:25.00 | rascal999 | less secure? |
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| 15:25.29 | jordanm | rascal999: http://www.symantec.com/connect/articles/nfs-and-nis-security |
| 15:27.06 | rascal999 | jordanm: thanks |
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| 15:31.09 | varlon | why ia64 does'n work on my Intel Xeon 5130? |
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| 15:31.25 | varlon | I download ia64 iso netinstall |
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| 15:31.44 | SerajewelKS | varlon: use amd64 |
| 15:32.06 | ||cw | rascal999: what about hardlinking the passwd to a new directory and just export that |
| 15:32.32 | ||cw | varlon: because xeon's are itainiums |
| 15:32.34 | ||cw | er |
| 15:32.37 | ||cw | arent' |
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| 15:32.51 | sepult` | which is the better ? |
| 15:33.08 | sepult` | xeon ? itanium ? |
| 15:33.19 | ||cw | depends on what you want |
| 15:33.20 | varlon | thanks |
| 15:33.34 | maligor | heh, you can't buy itaniums anymore |
| 15:33.44 | varlon | I'm think that ia64 for intel architecture |
| 15:33.53 | varlon | but it was wrong |
| 15:33.59 | darkskiez | I've made a bunch of packages and put them in a repo, but one of them after apt-get installing it, still lists as available for upgrade, how would i go about finding out why debian things the (identical) version in the repo is better than the one installed? apt-cache policy lists the repo ahead but the versions are the same. |
| 15:34.00 | maligor | yeah, the intel naming is a bit crappy |
| 15:34.11 | maligor | they call their x86-64: 'Intel 64' |
| 15:34.11 | darkskiez | things=thinks |
| 15:34.15 | ||cw | ia64 is intels purely 64bit cpu, made before AMD figured out x86-64 and Intel licensed it |
| 15:34.40 | maligor | and IA64 (Intel Architecture 64) is the Itaniums |
| 15:34.41 | rascal999 | ||cw: apparently it's a bad idea |
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| 15:38.56 | abrotman | maligor: you can still buy them |
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| 15:43.23 | arosen | Hello, i have the following entry in my /etc/network/interface file http://pastebin.com/7rsWZ3dq but for some reason it is not setting a default gateway. Do i have to add anything for it to do that? |
| 15:43.43 | abrotman | arosen: what's the rest of the file? |
| 15:44.15 | arosen | abrotman: I also have this auto lo iface (\n) lo inet loopback |
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| 15:45.04 | abrotman | arosen: what if you try to set it manually with 'route add default gw 130.127.60.97" ? |
| 15:45.28 | arosen | abrotman: that will work but i don't want to have to manually do that. |
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| 15:45.42 | abrotman | arosen: just making sure it works |
| 15:45.54 | abrotman | arosen: is there some other application possibly setting the NIC? |
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| 15:46.25 | arosen | abrotman: nope |
| 15:46.26 | jordanm | arosen: e.g. network-manager |
| 15:46.32 | arosen | no |
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| 15:46.47 | arosen | abrotman: it sets the gateway but it doesn't set the default gatway. |
| 15:46.49 | arosen | gateway* |
| 15:47.01 | cd | does anyone know how to *un*justify text with the nano editor? |
| 15:47.08 | SerajewelKS | arosen: a gateway is by definition the default route |
| 15:47.24 | abrotman | arosen: can you show us "route -n" ? |
| 15:47.33 | SerajewelKS | (unless it is a route to a specific network through a gateway) |
| 15:47.50 | SerajewelKS | (and those are not very common except on backbone or corporate routers) |
| 15:48.04 | jordanm | (which netstat -rn will show as a "gateway") |
| 15:48.24 | jordanm | SerajewelKS: hehe, you must not have to deal with as much asymetric routing as I do :) |
| 15:48.39 | arosen | abrotman: I can but my tables are all screwy since i have two eth cards. My question is really how do i set the default gateway using the interface file. |
| 15:48.42 | SerajewelKS | jordanm: on my home LAN? nah |
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| 15:48.59 | arosen | (also since dhcp is running on one card so i can connect to this box to fix this issue) |
| 15:49.19 | SerajewelKS | jordanm: i do some fairly tricky stuff with NAT and routing for two openvpn servers though |
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| 15:49.24 | arosen | (So the tables aren't what i want them to be but here is the output anyways. http://pastebin.com/nRRtcUwh ) |
| 15:49.34 | jordanm | arosen: when abrotman said "is there some other application possibly setting..." |
| 15:49.44 | arosen | jordanm: nope |
| 15:49.50 | abrotman | arosen: if you have two eth cards, how are you setting the other one? |
| 15:49.59 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: with magic! |
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| 15:50.59 | jordanm | arosen: the dhcp client would overwrite your default route |
| 15:50.59 | arosen | abrotman: i had someone run dhclient on the other eth card so i can connect to it for the time being |
| 15:50.59 | abrotman | arosen: boot the system fresh, get the route -n .. show us your entire interfaces file |
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| 15:50.59 | abrotman | it's likely the dhclient setting the default route |
| 15:50.59 | arosen | Oh yea i do have the old routes stored before dhclient was run |
| 15:50.59 | keith4 | i'm trying to do a lenny netinst on a box with 2 network cards. 1 intel, 1 realtek. the installer finds eth0: realtek and eth1: firewire, though...? i can't get the installer to see the intel card. ideas? |
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| 15:51.30 | jordanm | keith4: usually intel is really well supported, but if its something newer you still may need the kmuto installer |
| 15:51.32 | arosen | yes i know that dhclient is setting the default route so that i can connect to the box. Here is the routing table when the computer comes up. As you can see there is no default gateway http://pastebin.com/A149HBPB ) |
| 15:51.44 | terry__ | has anyone used chroot enviroment with X ? |
| 15:51.56 | lindi- | terry__: i run many X apps from unstable chroot |
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| 15:52.17 | terry__ | lindi ..debian install and debain chroot ? |
| 15:52.20 | jordanm | arosen: your making a VPN connection? thats not in your interfaces... |
| 15:52.34 | varlon | thanks for you comments |
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| 15:52.36 | keith4 | jordanm: ah. it's.... "82574L Gigabit Network..." not sure how new that is |
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| 15:52.53 | jordanm | keith4: can you get the pciid? lspci -nn |
| 15:52.54 | arosen | jordanm: yes i have openvpn running but that isn't the issue why the default gateway is not getting set |
| 15:53.12 | jordanm | arosen: openvpn can push routes, which would effect your routing... |
| 15:53.20 | keith4 | jordanm: sure. 8086:10d3 |
| 15:53.23 | lindi- | terry__: debian stable system that has debian unstable installation in /sid |
| 15:53.29 | arosen | I think i can add post-up route add default gw 130.127.60.97 br0 |
| 15:53.32 | arosen | and that will fix it |
| 15:53.34 | SerajewelKS | jordanm: doesn't look like a default route was pushed though, so it should not interfere |
| 15:53.42 | arosen | but i wasn't sure if there was a better way to do that? |
| 15:53.55 | jordanm | arosen: what is creating the br0? |
| 15:53.56 | terry__ | lindi you got a link of howto do it ?...ive tried chroot but not with X |
| 15:54.16 | jordanm | SerajewelKS: yes, but also, the interface he is defining is no longer present |
| 15:54.28 | SerajewelKS | jordanm: right, so that's more likely to be the problem :) |
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| 15:54.35 | arosen | jordanm: i have this script that runs to do it http://pastebin.com/2Vvag5pq |
| 15:54.56 | SerajewelKS | arosen: it looks like eth2 is part of the br0. if that is the case then you need to configure br0, not eth2. |
| 15:55.08 | jordanm | arosen: you should create your br0 in your intefaces file instead of a seperate script |
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| 15:55.46 | jordanm | ,pciid 8086:10d3 |
| 15:55.47 | judd | [8086:10d3] is '82574L Gigabit Network Connection' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel module 'e1000e' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:10d3 |
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| 15:56.03 | SerajewelKS | arosen: br0 is the logical interface you need to worry about. eth2 is acting like a switch port. you can't configure a switch port with an IP address. |
| 15:56.06 | arosen | jordanm: I probably should but that really shouldn't matter. I don't think that explains why the default gateway isn't getting set? |
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| 15:56.11 | jordanm | keith4: says it should be fine OTB... |
| 15:56.19 | Bushmills | arosen: i suppose you had a gateway when a physical device was configured, but lost that again when physical device was taken out of the config |
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| 15:56.23 | SerajewelKS | arosen: it explains exactly why the default gateway is not getting set |
| 15:56.39 | lindi- | terry__: http://iki.fi/lindi/schroot.txt |
| 15:56.51 | terry__ | thanks lindi- |
| 15:56.55 | SerajewelKS | arosen: when eth2 is added to the bridge, its settings get discarded |
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| 15:57.05 | SerajewelKS | arosen: this includes routes associated with it |
| 15:57.17 | arosen | SerajewelKS: so when this script is run it tosses the default gw? |
| 15:57.20 | keith4 | jordanm: uh, weird. modprobing e1000e causes a stack dump from kernel/hpet.c in dmesg |
| 15:57.22 | SerajewelKS | arosen: yes |
| 15:57.41 | arosen | SerajewelKS: so to fix this i have to do everything in /etc/network/interface ? |
| 15:57.47 | SerajewelKS | arosen: configure your bridge as part of your interfaces file, and define the settings there. then use this script *ONLY* to add the tun interface to the bridge. |
| 15:57.52 | jordanm | keith4: could there be a hardware problem with the nic? |
| 15:58.01 | terry__ | lindi-, stable is 5.0.2 yeah ? |
| 15:58.06 | SerajewelKS | arosen: yes, except for adding the tun interface to the bridge. you should still do that as part of the openvpn script. |
| 15:58.20 | keith4 | jordanm: hope not. it's brand new. just unboxed this thing. i'm going to try disabling the onboard NIC and netbooting from the intel |
| 15:58.36 | SerajewelKS | arosen: http://wiki.debian.org/BridgeNetworkConnections |
| 15:58.51 | jelly | dpkg, alot is also http://hyperboleandahalf.blogspot.com/2010/04/alot-is-better-than-you-at-everything.html |
| 15:58.51 | dpkg | okay, jelly |
| 15:58.55 | SerajewelKS | arosen: look at the second example file |
| 15:59.22 | SerajewelKS | arosen: basically you define a "br0" interface and do "bridge_ports eth2" to add eth2 to the bridge. then all your other stuff (address/netmask/gateway). |
| 15:59.24 | arosen | what is the program that lets you add stuff to different run levels? |
| 15:59.38 | jordanm | arosen: sysv-rc-conf |
| 15:59.46 | SerajewelKS | arosen: update-rc.d. but you don't want to do that right now because you don't need to. |
| 16:00.13 | arosen | SerajewelKS: i'm just going to remove the bridge for now and fix it after i get the ip's straight |
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| 16:00.27 | simonrvn | terry__: /topic |
| 16:00.28 | SerajewelKS | arosen: ok... |
| 16:00.29 | jordanm | SerajewelKS: I recent look through the update-rc.d manpage said that admin useage of update-rc.d is discouraged and sysv-rc-conf should be used instead |
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| 16:00.45 | SerajewelKS | jordanm: ah, well... |
| 16:00.54 | SerajewelKS | !care jordanm |
| 16:00.55 | dpkg | jordanm: http://bit.ly/6z2yZi |
| 16:00.55 | terry__ | thanks simonrvn |
| 16:00.55 | jordanm | SerajewelKS: if you can get past the terrible wording to read that :) |
| 16:01.17 | SerajewelKS | jordanm: :) |
| 16:01.23 | arosen | SerajewelKS: thanks for explaining that to me :D |
| 16:01.37 | SerajewelKS | arosen: np |
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| 16:02.48 | SerajewelKS | jordanm: it's not like sysv is that good anyway </troll> |
| 16:03.05 | SerajewelKS | starts all his services by hand |
| 16:03.23 | simonrvn | i use /etc/init.d/rcS :P |
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| 16:05.23 | jordanm | simonrvn: good luck with that when insmod get pushed down the pipes |
| 16:06.16 | simonrvn | insserv? |
| 16:06.25 | jordanm | err, yes, insserv |
| 16:06.35 | simonrvn | running sid. already enabled ;) |
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| 16:11.10 | arosen | If i have two default gateways setup will that cause any problem? I don't want to lose connection to the box. |
| 16:11.44 | jordanm | arosen: a system should only have a single default route |
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| 16:12.14 | jelly | arosen: why do you have two deafult gateways? |
| 16:12.31 | jordanm | arosen: it is the route taken when all else fails, how would it work if their were two? ( I suppose something might be possible with different metrics... but still wrong) |
| 16:12.32 | arosen | jordanm: if i do route add default gw ip eth will that break anything as long as that gateway is valid? |
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| 16:13.18 | jordanm | arosen: i would expect to overwrite the existing default route |
| 16:13.35 | Bushmills | jordanm: there is one case where two default gateways make sense. namely when traffic is temporarily routed through another gateway, and the previous default becomes active again when the temporary default is turned off |
| 16:13.41 | jelly | jordanm: that won't happen |
| 16:14.02 | Bushmills | seen with tunneling, sometimes |
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| 16:14.19 | jordanm | Bushmills: which would be accomplished by assigning different metrics? |
| 16:14.22 | keith4 | jordanm: crap. no matter what i enable/disable, same thing happens. it was already filed as a bug... over a year ago. http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=515975 |
| 16:14.38 | jelly | arosen: if you always use the same source ip, and your gateways are configured to know about this setup, I imagine it could work |
| 16:15.01 | jordanm | keith4: I would try kmuto |
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| 16:15.09 | Bushmills | one solution is to add two /1 nets, for 0.0.0.0 and 128.0.0.0. those having technically the effect of a 0.0.0.0/0 |
| 16:15.33 | jelly | jordanm: there's a funny bug (feature?) in /sbin/route and/or the kernel allowing you to have two default gw with same metric |
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| 16:15.52 | lgghj | I just wondloaded openSSH so I could use it for SFTP server, and doesn't it come with a gui? |
| 16:15.55 | keith4 | jordanm: can I pxe boot the kmuto installer? |
| 16:16.06 | lgghj | or is it something which I need to download seperately? |
| 16:16.09 | jelly | lgghj: the server doesn't |
| 16:16.17 | jordanm | keith4: I am not sure if he provides netboot images or not |
| 16:16.24 | jelly | lgghj: what do you need a GUI for? |
| 16:16.27 | jordanm | !tell keith4 about kmuto |
| 16:16.41 | lgghj | it makes life easier if there is one |
| 16:16.43 | jordanm | lgghj: you can use something like filezilla for a gui client |
| 16:17.02 | lgghj | ok so the server has to be configured manually |
| 16:17.03 | jelly | lgghj: I mean, what would you do with it? |
| 16:17.30 | lgghj | add new users, folder and permissions |
| 16:17.30 | Bushmills | lgghj: ssh server is a *server* .. what you need gui for a server? |
| 16:17.48 | lgghj | see who's logged on |
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| 16:18.07 | Bushmills | machine boots - service runs. done. |
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| 16:18.20 | lgghj | jboss is aslo a server and it comes with an jmx-console |
| 16:18.28 | Bushmills | what you want to do is not related to the service as such |
| 16:18.37 | lgghj | okej I just have to configure the server from commansline |
| 16:18.42 | keith4 | jordanm: k, thanks. he address netbooting in the FAQ. i'll give it a shot |
| 16:18.54 | jordanm | lgghj: its configured by default... you install it, sftp is running |
| 16:19.01 | Bushmills | there are no special user files for ssh, and there are no ssh user special user permissions |
| 16:19.05 | lgghj | is it easy and doable in about 4 hours for a newbie? |
| 16:19.09 | jelly | lgghj: you're describiing different facets of unix system administration that don't necessarily have anything to do with ssh |
| 16:19.26 | Bushmills | so user list, who is logged in, what permissions one have is another part of your system. not ssh |
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| 16:19.48 | lgghj | okej I though SFTP is a subsystem of SSH |
| 16:19.58 | Bushmills | 4 hours? you install it, then you can use it. right away |
| 16:19.59 | jelly | lgghj: yes, especially if you pay someone to show you the ropes |
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| 16:20.23 | jordanm | is for hire |
| 16:20.33 | lgghj | have I downloaded the right thing if I want to have a Secure File Transfer Protocol -Server |
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| 16:21.00 | jordanm | lgghj: you want to install openssh-server, which I said a hour ago |
| 16:21.06 | Bushmills | yes. sshd also provides sftp and scp server functionality |
| 16:21.07 | jelly | lgghj: you can use normal unix accounts for sftp, no biggie, and use the usual tools to manage them. If you want a virtual solution without "real" unix users, it's going to be more complex |
| 16:21.46 | lgghj | no I can stick to that real unix/linux user stuff |
| 16:21.53 | lgghj | ok thanks |
| 16:22.26 | Bushmills | only thing you want to lay hands on is password-free logins |
| 16:22.45 | ldlework | Hi. I have just installed Python2.6 into Lenny. I am wondering if there is anything to do so that "apt-get install python-setuptools" would install the 2.6 version instead of the 2.5 version, standard to Lenny? |
| 16:22.51 | lgghj | what would that be needed for? |
| 16:22.56 | Bushmills | using key based logins rather than password based logins |
| 16:23.10 | jelly | Bushmills: you're making things too complicated |
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| 16:23.31 | jordanm | ldlework: thats not recommended or supported |
| 16:23.49 | Bushmills | by saying that the rest works without additional setup? |
| 16:23.58 | jelly | lgghj: adduser command is going to be your friend. Once you open a few accounts and give them passwords, they'll automatically be able to log in via sftp (and ssh, too) |
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| 16:27.07 | jelly | Bushmills: by going into details that might not necessarily fit into the limited time slot |
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| 16:28.08 | lgghj | ok thanks guys I'll add users by adduser command |
| 16:28.14 | Bushmills | jelly: 5 min after installation he might get board and wonder what to do with the remaining 3h55m |
| 16:28.19 | lgghj | I have already used it also :D |
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| 16:28.25 | Bushmills | bored |
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| 16:28.35 | lgghj | hehehehehe nice one Bushmills |
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| 16:35.37 | keith4 | jordanm: beauty. seems to be working. thanks |
| 16:36.19 | jordanm | keith4: nice! |
| 16:36.56 | keith4 | and for anyone's future reference, that nonsense in the FAQ about the untrusted parameter is unnecessary |
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| 16:39.39 | jordanm | which faq? |
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| 16:45.05 | qbwdp | allo |
| 16:45.19 | jhutchins_lt | keith4: Probably best to contact the maintainer directly on that, word's not likely to get to him from here. |
| 16:45.42 | jhutchins_lt | jordanm: kmuto I'd guess. |
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| 16:46.36 | arri | goodday all, would this be the right place to find some advice to get my server back online? (after it crashed and problem solved but no boot anymore...) |
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| 16:46.54 | qbwdp | anyone noticed issues with squeeze mdadm while install? i create md0 for /, initialize it and it takes 30 minutes, where as in lenny it takes 4 minutes, why? |
| 16:47.01 | jordanm | jhutchins_lt: yeah, I was looking at the kmuto FAQ but could not figure out what he was referencing |
| 16:47.33 | jordanm | qbwdp: look for/file bug report and find out from the maintainer? |
| 16:47.49 | qbwdp | jordanm: nice, thank you |
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| 16:48.15 | qbwdp | jordanm: is that the file which also captures kernel crashes? |
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| 16:49.06 | jordanm | qbwdp: sorry, I mean "file" as in "send" or "submit", not a file on your system that would contain a bug report. you can however, use alt+F2-5 to view additional debugging info |
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| 16:49.46 | qbwdp | jordanm: nice, yes i was doing all from F2, thank you for the info |
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| 16:50.37 | jordanm | qbwdp: I know the squeeze installer has been having quite a few problems, and I am sure they would not mind feedback (I didn't even think the squeeze installer worked currently) |
| 16:51.13 | trili | hi, i seem to have no cpu scaling on squeeze, im quite sure it worked on lenny (it's my gf's laptop), what can i do about it? |
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| 16:52.37 | jhutchins_lt | qbwdp: How big a volume? |
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| 16:53.59 | qbwdp | jordanm: it is 200 gig |
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| 16:54.19 | qbwdp | jhutchins_lt: it was 200 gig |
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| 16:57.42 | jhutchins_lt | qbwdp: That SHOULD take some time to format. |
| 16:58.07 | jhutchins_lt | 30 min seems like a lot, can't relly say it's out of line though. |
| 16:58.19 | qbwdp | jhutchins_lt: yes you are right, maybe i didn't do that in lenny, i'll test it again in squeeze tonight |
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| 16:59.55 | keith4 | jhutchins_lt: yah, i'll send him an email. i'm going to offer to mirror the images, too |
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| 17:00.22 | qbwdp | jhutchins_lt: i have more questions, i always used stable but 2.6.26 kept freezing on my amd x6 for some reason, i have lenny running fine on amd x4 with 2.6.26 |
| 17:00.49 | jordanm | qbwdp: .32 is available for lenny via lenny-backports |
| 17:01.17 | qbwdp | jordanm: ah nice, i didn't know that, i'll go back to stable then and get .32 |
| 17:02.00 | jhutchins_lt | qbwdp: Can't be sure a different kernel is going to solve all your problems, but it's a start. |
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| 17:02.29 | jhutchins_lt | qbwdp: If you can figure out the reason for the problems they can be addressed directly rather than a blind upgrade, which just introduces more variables. |
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| 17:03.36 | qbwdp | jhutchins_lt: nothing gets logged you see, i looked at the kern.log, messages and most files in /var/log after the crash, nothing gives me any hint at all |
| 17:03.55 | karlpinc | qbwdp: What does the console say? |
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| 17:04.27 | qbwdp | karlpinc: there is never a kernel panic, but the lights on my keyboard do start flashing |
| 17:04.44 | qbwdp | karlpinc: when i am in alt-F1 |
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| 17:05.10 | western | Try netconsole qdwdp |
| 17:05.17 | jelly | qbwdp: technically that _is_ a kernel panic, it's just there was no other way left for the kernel to signal it |
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| 17:05.47 | jelly | qbwdp: using nonfree drivers for anything? |
| 17:05.55 | qbwdp | karlpinc: when i unlock the core without overclocking, it locks up within 2 minutes |
| 17:06.41 | qbwdp | jelly: nope, all lenny drivers nothing 3rd party |
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| 17:07.32 | karlpinc | qbwdp: Did you say a newer kernel fixed it? |
| 17:08.19 | qbwdp | by the way, this is my second amd x6, due to problems for the first time i installed ubuntu on amdx6 and it has been working fine, that is why i was saying that i need to update the lenny kernel since ubuntu was using .32 |
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| 17:08.49 | karlpinc | qbwdp: The other thing that works is a serial console. |
| 17:08.51 | qbwdp | but i don't like ubuntu, so i want to stay stable with lenny |
| 17:09.27 | karlpinc | qbwdp: Sounds like the first thing to try is a kernel from backports.org then. Otherwise, check for heat related hardware problems by running memtest86+ overnight. |
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| 17:10.47 | qbwdp | karlpinc: yes, i thought of the heat, i did burn and mem tests yesterday for 3 hours and it worked fine at that time, the governor released the 800 to 3.2Ghz |
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| 17:11.13 | qbwdp | i ran two burns and two procs went to 100% |
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| 17:12.16 | qbwdp | thats another thing, on ubuntu the governor is set to 1600 and on lenny it's set to 800 |
| 17:12.32 | karlpinc | qbwdp: That won't necessarly find memory problems. |
| 17:13.30 | qbwdp | karlpinc: well i have 10 more days to go swap out the memory, so i'll try a new kernel, it still issues, i'll start with the mem and exchange it out |
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| 17:15.13 | karlpinc | qbwdp: That might not help if there are heat issues. I'd go with the diagnostics that test particular subsystems and see what they tell you. |
| 17:15.14 | jelly | it's quite possible the default lenny kernel doesn't support newer hardware |
| 17:15.24 | jhutchins_lt | If he's getting blinkylights, he's not going to get anything wiht serial or network consoles, but he might get something with SysReq |
| 17:15.44 | _2 | command to reduce power consumption ? |
| 17:15.50 | jelly | qbwdp: that's why there are installers with updated kernels, /msg dpkg kmuto |
| 17:16.03 | jelly | qbwdp: it's interestion you managed to install lenny, though |
| 17:16.15 | jelly | s/ion/ing/ |
| 17:16.21 | jhutchins_lt | jelly: If I understand correctly, he can install but he gets crashes, so he should be able to install then upgrade. |
| 17:16.23 | qbwdp | yes lenny install goes very smooth |
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| 17:16.48 | jelly | qbwdp: i386 or amd64? |
| 17:17.03 | qbwdp | jelly: amd64 |
| 17:17.53 | _2 | ? |
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| 17:18.35 | qbwdp | let me look up and see what this SysReq is |
| 17:18.47 | tonhe | I have a custom built netatalk package on my server that apt is trying to upgrade... so, I attempted to pin it, but since the version number is the same, it seems to be trying to upgrade it anyway |
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| 17:19.04 | tonhe | is there a way to change the version number on my package to differentiate it from the others |
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| 17:19.15 | jordanm | tonhe: you want to "hold" not pin, and you should always append something to the versions of custom packages |
| 17:19.16 | wad | I'd like to add /home/$USERNAME/bin to the path. What's the right way to do this? I don't want it added a bunch of times, whenever I open a new shell... |
| 17:19.26 | jordanm | tonhe: yes, increment debian/changelog |
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| 17:20.58 | jordanm | wad: PATH=$PATH:$HOME/bin in ~/.bash_profile |
| 17:21.02 | _2 | wad export PATH="$PATH:$HOME/bin" |
| 17:21.09 | _2 | or some variant |
| 17:21.14 | wad | thanks, guys! |
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| 17:21.34 | tonhe | jordanm: so just add a new topline formated liek the old... netatalk (2.0.3-11+lenny1) testing-security; urgency=high |
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| 17:22.00 | jordanm | tonhe: you should always use dch when incrementing |
| 17:22.10 | jordanm | !tell tonhe about nmg |
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| 17:22.16 | tonhe | jordanm: sorry, never touched it before.. |
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| 17:24.35 | jargon- | how can i tell which terminal i'm using? |
| 17:25.22 | abrotman | huh? |
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| 17:26.51 | jordanm | jargon-: echo $TERM? |
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| 17:27.43 | jargon- | jordanm: thank u! :) |
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| 17:30.25 | jhutchins_lt | Is there a way to see if you're on tty1-7? |
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| 17:32.21 | jordanm | jhutchins_lt: you could look at ps output to see which tty your bash session is on |
| 17:32.43 | jordanm | probably not helpful if you have many bash sessions open though |
| 17:32.56 | jordanm | especially one on each TTY |
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| 17:37.51 | Sylphid|work | hey all, Im wondering if someone could advise me on standard practices for installing web based packages like phpmyadmin while using mod_chroot |
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| 17:38.15 | ||cw | jhutchins_lt: "who" shows was users are logged in on what TTY's |
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| 17:38.55 | jhutchins_lt | ||cw: Yay! |
| 17:39.20 | ||cw | Sylphid|work: you can either make a link so it appears in the chroot, or not use debs for that |
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| 17:40.34 | Sylphid|work | ||cw, How should i be linking them? correct me if im wrong but hard linking directories is not possible and symlinks cannot be followed outside of a chroot |
| 17:44.09 | ||cw | you can use lndir to make links for all files in a dir, in the xutils-dev package |
| 17:44.30 | Sylphid|work | ||cw, thanks! |
| 17:45.34 | wildc4rd | evenin' all |
| 17:45.36 | jhutchins_lt | Sylphid|work: for php stuff like phpmyadmin you can just copy the folder to the web tree. It's just scripts. |
| 17:46.01 | ||cw | Sylphid|work: I've not tested that with phpmyadmin or mod_chroot though, so YMMV |
| 17:46.19 | Sylphid|work | jhutchins_lt, problem with just copying them is that any security updates do not get applied untill manually copying again |
| 17:46.39 | ||cw | jhutchins_lt: yeah but then you get a lot of out of date copies, and phpmyadmin has a fair amount of security patching |
| 17:47.20 | jhutchins_lt | I don't see how you'd accumulate out-of-date copies, you just have to pay attention a little and copy the files when it updates. |
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| 17:48.08 | jhutchins_lt | Drupal, for instance, really works better if you just use their installation system, it's much more up-to-date and easier to manage modules, etc. |
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| 17:49.13 | jordanm | jhutchins_lt: even though its easy... doing it that way puts security in the hands of the admin or upstream instead of the debian security team |
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| 17:50.28 | jhutchins_lt | jordanm: Wouldn't have it any other way. Trusting other people to secure your computer for you is like trusting other people to lock your doors at home. |
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| 17:53.13 | jordanm | jhutchins_lt: I bet your subscribbed to _a lot_ of mailing lists if you need to watch for new patches and exploits in all your software :) |
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| 17:53.39 | Sylphid|work | I would rather trust ADT to install a security system that they monitor that install my own system that I have to monitor while away from home |
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| 17:54.16 | jordanm | Sylphid|work: that's a good analogy, I like it |
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| 17:55.07 | Sylphid|work | not to mention that admins love having a scape goat blame other than themselves =D |
| 17:55.57 | Bushmills | "the computer has done it" |
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| 17:57.45 | jhutchins_lt | I don't have the luxury of blaming Debian if something goes wrong, it's still my responsibility to prevent it. |
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| 18:08.36 | jelly | jordanm: it's debatable whether Debian is better at divining and fixing security issues than a given upstream |
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| 18:08.53 | okelet | hi, is there any way to launch a program in the current gnome session from a remote ssh session? |
| 18:08.54 | winstonw | is there a lint program somewhere? |
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| 18:09.37 | jordanm | jelly: yes, but with upstream, me as the admin needs to monitor upstream if I am to go with upstream security support |
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| 18:09.52 | jordanm | jelly: for mission critical, sure. |
| 18:09.53 | jelly | jordanm: you also needs to monitor Debian |
| 18:10.01 | jelly | if you go with them |
| 18:10.20 | jordanm | jelly: yes, and I find the tracker of doom a bit easier than being subscribbed to 20 different application's mailing lists |
| 18:10.59 | jelly | jordanm: right... so you trust it's up to date |
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| 18:45.40 | keith4 | where's that page where I can lookup hardware support for a device, given its PCI ID? |
| 18:47.02 | cahoot | try judd here |
| 18:47.43 | jordanm | keith4: somewhere on the kmuto site.. |
| 18:47.48 | jordanm | ,help pciid |
| 18:47.48 | judd | (pciid <pciid> [--release <release name>]) -- Output the name of the device and matching kernel module if known, optionally restricted to the specified release. The pciid should be of the form 0000:0000. [ and ] are permitted around the pciid, but Supybot will try to act on those as nested commands unless they are enclosed in double quotes, e.g "[0000:0000]". |
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| 18:48.56 | keith4 | ,pciid 8086:3b56 |
| 18:48.58 | judd | [8086:3b56] is '5 Series/3400 Series Chipset High Definition Audio' from 'Intel Corporation' with no known kernel module in lenny but has kernel module 'snd-hda-intel' in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:3b56 |
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| 18:49.27 | keith4 | hmmm. 2.6.27 or newer. fair 'nuff |
| 18:49.31 | keith4 | thanks jordanm |
| 18:49.38 | jordanm | keith4: np |
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| 18:51.39 | BenBE | Hi, how to get (as maintainer/software developer) a new upstream release into packaging by the packaging teams? |
| 18:51.49 | BenBE | Package php-geshi in my case. |
| 18:52.45 | jordanm | BenBE: it appears to already be packaged for debian |
| 18:52.52 | jordanm | ,versions php-geshi |
| 18:52.54 | judd | php-geshi -- etch: 1.0.7.14-1; lenny: 1.0.7.22-1+lenny1; lenny-security: 1.0.7.22-1+lenny1; lenny-backports: 1.0.8.3-1~bpo50+1; sid: 1.0.8.4-1; squeeze: 1.0.8.4-1 |
| 18:53.22 | jordanm | BenBE: your saying you would like the maintainer to submit something newer than 1.0.8.4? |
| 18:53.27 | jordanm | you're |
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| 18:54.29 | jordanm | BenBE: actually, I just checked the upstream site, appears the newest version already is in debian. did you mean into debian stable? |
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| 18:56.05 | BenBE | I doubt 1.0.8.8 has been packaged. |
| 18:56.10 | BenBE | I'm the upstream autor. |
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| 18:56.31 | BenBE | Which upstream site did you check? |
| 18:56.46 | jordanm | BenBE: http://qbnz.com/highlighter/news.php?id=123 |
| 18:57.02 | jordanm | I see it says it on the left pane now |
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| 18:57.17 | BenBE | k, than http://qbnz.com/highlighter/ |
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| 18:57.33 | BenBE | Linking to a specific news entry won't bring you any more recent news ;-) |
| 18:57.39 | jordanm | BenBE: you are not already in contact with the maintainer? |
| 18:58.35 | BenBE | Who would this be in this case? I once had contact with one (need to lookup in my mail inbox), but when I notified him of 1.0.8.5 or 1.0.8.6 (need to lookup) nothing happened. |
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| 18:59.34 | jordanm | BenBE: it looks like in this case it is actually a team. I would start by sending an email to pkg-mediawiki-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org |
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| 19:00.45 | BenBE | Do you know if a subscribe is needed? |
| 19:01.09 | jordanm | BenBE: shouldn't. just make sure you mention in the email that you are not subscribbed so they CC you |
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| 19:01.34 | BenBE | k. |
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| 19:13.19 | BenBE | Okay, posted notification onto the list. |
| 19:13.33 | BenBE | Let's see, how fast they are with packaging ;-) |
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| 19:13.48 | abrotman | dumbest spam bot ever |
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| 19:15.41 | abrotman | spam? |
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| 19:24.56 | _2 | ? |
| 19:25.26 | abrotman | ! |
| 19:25.30 | _2 | howto check temp and cpu state ? |
| 19:25.51 | _2 | howto adj cpu state CLI ? |
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| 19:27.51 | jordanm | _2: you likely want the lmsensors and cpufreqd package |
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| 19:28.32 | _2 | jordanm ty looking |
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| 19:41.58 | compaq | hi |
| 19:42.03 | M`vy | hi |
| 19:43.56 | pallgone | ho |
| 19:44.36 | poisonbit | cuac cuac |
| 19:44.55 | dev2 | when I boot my machine it goes to a black screen with a still cursor. (debian lenny). |
| 19:44.56 | compaq | anyone know which package installs all those keyboard stuff, like print screen, and volume, cause I used gnome and they work, but now I am using e17 and they don't |
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| 19:46.09 | jordanm | compaq: those are likely gnome panel applets, which means they will not work in other DEs. enlightenment likely has its equivs. you should try an enlightenment specific channel since e17 is not in stable debian |
| 19:46.13 | dev2 | is this recoverable? does it mean anything specific? |
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| 19:46.35 | jordanm | dev2: ctrl+alt+f1 bring you to a login prompt? |
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| 19:46.54 | compaq | jordanm, fyi, you can the stable one now |
| 19:47.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | dev2, _nothing_ before that? |
| 19:47.10 | compaq | jordanm, if you wanna try it, I can send you the link |
| 19:47.18 | jordanm | ,versions e17 |
| 19:47.20 | judd | e17 -- sid: 0.16.999.063-1 |
| 19:47.20 | dev2 | jordanm: that does nothing. |
| 19:47.51 | jordanm | compaq: I didn't mean stable enlightenment, I meant stable debian. e17 is only available for unstable which is not supported here |
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| 19:48.09 | dev2 | CutMeOwnThroat: its a vm. so I see the vm/bios screen then it goes to a black screen (it would normally start printing what it was doing during boot) |
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| 19:48.31 | compaq | jordanm, they have an e17 available for stable debian, which is what I run, but it isn't in the repo yet, but it is a version for stable debian |
| 19:48.41 | jordanm | dev2: try starting single-user mode |
| 19:48.55 | dev2 | jordanm: how do I do that? |
| 19:48.58 | jordanm | compaq: it will never be in the lenny repos |
| 19:49.08 | compaq | jordanm, why not? |
| 19:49.15 | jordanm | dev2: when its booting, select the one that says "single user mode" |
| 19:49.22 | jordanm | !tell compaq about stable |
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| 19:49.29 | jordanm | compaq: stable does not get new packages |
| 19:49.47 | dev2 | jordanm: I have no options. it goes from bios screen to black screen with a solid white cursor |
| 19:49.57 | jordanm | compaq: it could be in the next stable release, squeeze, but thats tought to say seeing as it hasn't been pushed down yet |
| 19:50.11 | jordanm | !why is e17 not in testing |
| 19:51.04 | dpkg | e17 is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=e17 |
| 19:51.04 | compaq | jordanm, oh, ok, but what I am saying is there is a e17 package available the is made for stable debian |
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| 19:51.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | dev2, sounds like there's not even a valid boot-sector.... you should see _some_ error indicating the stage things failed |
| 19:51.23 | jordanm | compaq: my point was you should try #e for support |
| 19:51.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | or MBR |
| 19:51.44 | dev2 | if I boot from a cd should I be able to recover from this? |
| 19:51.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | probably |
| 19:52.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | hard to say without a clue what is wrong |
| 19:52.11 | jordanm | dev2: is the squeeze in vbox? |
| 19:52.17 | jordanm | s/the/this |
| 19:52.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | the whole disk could be empty ;) |
| 19:52.37 | dev2 | jordanm: vbox, yes |
| 19:52.37 | compaq | jordanm, I was asking which gnome package installs the keyboard stuff. This is debian channel, not gnome specific |
| 19:53.40 | tdn | How can I automatically connect to any available unprotected wireless network? |
| 19:54.01 | jordanm | compaq: yes, I was saying that specifically atleast the volume control is a gnome-panel applet. this means that you will not be able to use it in e17 and will have to find something equivelent |
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| 19:55.14 | compaq | jordanm, no, there is another app that run when I hit the volume keys on my keyboard |
| 19:55.32 | jordanm | compaq: ah! multimedia keys |
| 19:55.48 | jordanm | !multimedia keys |
| 19:55.48 | dpkg | Multimedia keys are the special keyboard keys for doing such things as changing the volume or launching your web browser. Check to see if these keys generate a scan code using xev and set the keyboard layout correctly or assign them to a shortcut with xmodmap, kcontrolcenter, gnome-control-panel etc. Also ask about <keytouch>, <tpb>. See http://tuxmobil.org/Mobile-Guide.db/mobile-guide-p2c1s8-ext-keys.html |
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| 19:56.09 | jordanm | compaq: sorry, misunderstood the question |
| 19:56.12 | tr_5678 | only guvcview sees my logitech usb quickcam, no other app, i am using squeeze, any ideas? |
| 19:56.20 | compaq | jordanm, xmodmap then eh |
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| 19:57.13 | jordanm | compaq: I have never had to set them up manually. doesn't sound like an ideal solution but I am sure it will work |
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| 19:57.35 | _2 | MODULE coretemp not found `uname -r` >>> 2.6.18-6-686 |
| 19:58.02 | _2 | is coretemp not compiled for 2.6.18 ? |
| 19:58.14 | jhutchins_lt | That's a fairly old kernel, what release are you on? |
| 19:58.38 | _2 | i mean package linux-image-i686-*.deb |
| 19:58.38 | PerfDave | Wow, squeeze seems quite broken ATM |
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| 19:59.28 | _2 | jhutchins_lt release of ? you mean debian version ? |
| 19:59.47 | jhutchins_lt | _2: Close enough. |
| 19:59.59 | _2 | Description: Debian GNU/Linux 5.0.4 (lenny) |
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| 20:00.10 | jhutchins_lt | ,kernels |
| 20:00.11 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.33-2-686 (2.6.33-1~experimental.5); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-13); squeeze: 2.6.32-3-686 (2.6.32-9); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.4-686 (2.6.32-11~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-21lenny4); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
| 20:00.31 | jhutchins_lt | _2: You still have the etch kernel. |
| 20:00.40 | _2 | and ? |
| 20:00.57 | _2 | aptitude dist-upgrade did it |
| 20:00.59 | jhutchins_lt | You might consider running the lenny kernel with the lenny release. |
| 20:01.30 | PerfDave | _2: Try installing linux-image-2.6-686 - that'll give you the latest available 2.6 kernel for the release you're running. |
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| 20:01.51 | PerfDave | _2: The Etch kernel, among other things, doesn't get security updates any more, so you probably don't want to be running it ;) |
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| 20:03.06 | _2 | PerfDave i'll probably loose wifi if i install another kernel, seeing that madwifi is not open source |
| 20:03.46 | jhutchins_lt | _2: The reason madwifi isn't used any more is that there are better alternatives for most cards. |
| 20:04.06 | jhutchins_lt | _2: You can get madwifi on lenny if you really need it. |
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| 20:04.21 | _2 | and not already having the needed packages to correct that issue will kinda put me back to booting into this kernel to work on that.... too much pffT for right now. |
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| 20:05.40 | PerfDave | _2: You shouldn't need madwifi - I think it's replaced in Lenny by the free ath5k driver. |
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| 20:06.26 | jhutchins_lt | Depends on the card, it was used for some others. |
| 20:06.51 | jhutchins_lt | _2: Seriously, most of that stuff works _better_ in lenny. |
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| 20:06.55 | _2 | PerfDave ath?k doesn't work |
| 20:07.21 | jhutchins_lt | _2: How do you know if you've only tried the .18 versions? |
| 20:07.24 | _2 | already been there, jhutchins_lt. |
| 20:07.30 | jhutchins_lt | _2: There's a LOT of progress happening. |
| 20:07.40 | jhutchins_lt | Ok. Whatever. |
| 20:07.44 | PerfDave | _2: Oh well. If you want to keep running the Etch kernel on Lenny, that's your lookout - but you will get random breakage and no security support :) |
| 20:08.13 | jhutchins_lt | _2: Decreasing support here as well, as people move on and don't still have the ability to reproduce your problems. |
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| 20:08.14 | _2 | if i haden't tried the lenny kernel with ath[5,9]k i wouldn't have said it didn't work on this hardware |
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| 20:08.37 | jhutchins_lt | _2: You'll also get problems with applications and subsystems calling kernel functions that aren't available - like coretemp. |
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| 20:09.34 | jhutchins_lt | Installing madwifi in lenny is trivial. |
| 20:09.55 | PerfDave | At this point I'd just buy a new wifi card ;) |
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| 20:10.49 | jhutchins_lt | _2: http://madwifi-project.org/wiki/UserDocs/Distro/Debian/MadWifi |
| 20:10.53 | _2 | PerfDave heh you mean a new laptop ...... |
| 20:11.07 | jhutchins_lt | PerfDave: Not as simple with many lt's. |
| 20:11.16 | PerfDave | _2: Most laptop wifi cards are replacable, and you can always just buy a USB stick :) |
| 20:11.54 | _2 | i can always just NOT buy any damn thing, and use what ever software/version works too ;/ |
| 20:12.25 | PerfDave | _2: If everything was working for you, you wouldn't be here :) |
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| 20:13.34 | _2 | you know i installed debian to get away from the "have to update/upgrade to the latest version every three days..." bull shit attatude of ubuntu. |
| 20:14.05 | micket | So, I'd like to have a setup, not sure if it's possible or not, but; Two local users, simultaneous, one on each monitor (and each set of keyboard mouse). Possible? Possible with one graphic card? |
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| 20:18.05 | PerfDave | micket: I presume you mean a dual-head graphics card... |
| 20:18.12 | jester45 | micket:: yes its possible, but im now sure what the software is called to do it. there are videos on youtube with examples of 30 or so monitors on one compter |
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| 20:18.42 | dev2 | which disc do I need to have the option to rescue? |
| 20:18.54 | PerfDave | micket: I've seen it done, using USB keyboards and mice, and assigning specific USB device IDs to different X servers. You'll need to hand-craft your xorg configs, and I don't know how well it'd work with a dual-head card (it might use PCI-IDs or something) |
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| 20:20.17 | sparr | micket: I've done that, works fine |
| 20:20.30 | sparr | becomes problematic if users start plugging in their own mouse/kb |
| 20:21.09 | PerfDave | Or USB datasticks :) |
| 20:21.58 | PerfDave | I might consider doing it with one or both displays in a virtual machine, and passing the PCI ID of the USB controller and video card to the VM software... |
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| 20:25.43 | micket | Sounds good guys. Thanks. I was just planning on plugging in my TV with some emulators, while i could still use my computer, without conflicting controls. |
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| 20:33.35 | cafaro | Hi, I'd like to have a package to be upgraded (from the sid repo), but I don't want to upgrade *all* my packages, how would I go about this? |
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| 20:35.12 | xoz | !backports |
| 20:35.12 | dpkg | backport is probably a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.org/ . Ask me about <backports.org> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
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| 20:42.01 | jhutchins | cafaro: Which package? |
| 20:44.03 | cafaro | jhutchins: xserver-xorg-video-radeon |
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| 20:45.56 | yostinso | Hi, I'm having some trouble with LVM on Debian: After a reboot, partitions on the LVM volume aren't in /dev/mapper until I run partprobe by hand. What am I missing? |
| 20:46.26 | yostinso | (Not using LVM for the system drive, just an auxillary drive.) |
| 20:46.28 | jordanm | cafaro: you would not want to do that without a full upgrade to testing or unstable (not recommended0 |
| 20:46.56 | cafaro | jordanm: I'm using testing right now |
| 20:47.01 | llanero | whats the script responsible for stripping binaries in package creating |
| 20:47.04 | llanero | creation |
| 20:47.16 | ||cw | yostinso: is the lvm init.d script set to start in your default runlevel? |
| 20:47.42 | ||cw | and is the storage actually active at that point? |
| 20:47.55 | jordanm | cafaro: you will likely need to pull down a new xorg with it. there is no easy way of doing thing |
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| 20:48.11 | jordanm | llanero: dh_strip |
| 20:48.29 | ||cw | with iscsi and multipathd I had to change the default order of some of the scripts and add a /sbin/vgscan to my rc.local |
| 20:48.44 | yostinso | ||cw: I haven't changed it from the default install... Is partprobe (or something like it) run by an init script? |
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| 20:48.59 | cafaro | jordanm: So I can't just get the source, build it, and install it? |
| 20:49.02 | yostinso | I see it scan and find the volume group pretty late during boot |
| 20:49.08 | ||cw | yostinso: it's done pretty early in the boot processes |
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| 20:49.26 | jordanm | cafaro: you can, but it probably won't run without a matching xorg version |
| 20:49.38 | ||cw | so if you are using some storage that doesn't present itself till later, you have to scan latter |
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| 20:49.57 | cafaro | jordanm: ok, i will get sid's xorg, as well, then |
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| 20:50.10 | yostinso | What's the recommended way to do that? Just run the lvm init script earlier? |
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| 20:50.43 | jhutchins | cafaro: You're really opening up a can of worms there. |
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| 20:51.21 | ||cw | yostinso: so this is local storage? |
| 20:51.30 | jhutchins | cafaro: You can always try just the driver and see if it works with your current xorg, but if you go into unstalble xorg you're asking for trouble. |
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| 20:51.44 | yostinso | ||cw: yep, it's local |
| 20:51.58 | ||cw | yostinso: different controller than your boot drive or the same? |
| 20:52.01 | cafaro | jhutchins: I'd be glad to know if you can recommend me another way of doing this, and it will give me a working X setup with radeon driver |
| 20:52.25 | llanero | jordanm: thanks, what package is it included in |
| 20:52.34 | yostinso | ||cw: Er, I believe the same; it's actually inside a XenServer VM, but both drives are attached at power on |
| 20:52.36 | cafaro | jhutchins: I tried it with lenny, and in #radeon I was told I needed a newer kernel/xorg |
| 20:52.42 | jhutchins | cafaro: like I said, try the driver by itself. |
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| 20:52.59 | jhutchins | cafaro: #radeon always says that about debian, it keeps them from having to think. |
| 20:53.18 | ||cw | odd |
| 20:53.20 | yostinso | ||cw: What runlevel do partitions get probed at? |
| 20:53.39 | ||cw | you sure lvm is starting at boot? |
| 20:53.41 | cafaro | jhutchins: I've been trying to get X working (with proper 2d acceleration) for months now, with lenny |
| 20:53.59 | jhutchins | !tell cafaro about radeop |
| 20:54.01 | jhutchins | !tell cafaro about radeon |
| 20:54.01 | ||cw | use sysv-rc-conf to see |
| 20:54.04 | llanero | nvm debhelper |
| 20:54.14 | jhutchins | cafaro: Probably already followed those links then. |
| 20:54.24 | jhutchins | cafaro: Why not just build the one from radeon? |
| 20:54.25 | yostinso | ||cw: There's a message before login that shows it finding the volume group, and it's there in /dev/mapper when I log in. If I run partprobe immediately after logging in, the p* partitions appear in /dev/mapper |
| 20:54.48 | ||cw | so the lv shows up, just not the partitions? |
| 20:54.48 | cafaro | jhutchins: I thought it would be easier to use a debian package? |
| 20:54.57 | yostinso | ||cw: Exactly |
| 20:55.09 | jhutchins | cafaro: Well, easier, yes, but it apparently doesn't work, so... |
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| 20:55.30 | ||cw | interesting. I don't typically use partitions on lv's, you might just have to do that manually |
| 20:55.47 | jhutchins | cafaro: Mixing releases is generally considered to be a great way to completely destroy your installation. |
| 20:55.50 | cafaro | jhutchins: not with the package from squeeze, yes |
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| 20:56.14 | jhutchins | cafaro: Any sign it works in lenny? |
| 20:56.15 | yostinso | ||cw: Okay, fair enough. I guess partitionless LVMs are the more common use case here |
| 20:56.17 | yostinso | ||cw: Thanks |
| 20:56.21 | ||cw | cafaro: FWIW, I'm with jhutchins on this one |
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| 20:57.05 | cafaro | jhutchins: after removing 2GB from my laptop it worked, but 2D acceleration was horrible, and xorg.log didn't show any usefull as well |
| 20:57.16 | ||cw | yostinso: rc.local is a convenient place to put it |
| 20:57.42 | yostinso | Sure |
| 20:57.50 | Audible | does anyone have Asus p7p55d here? |
| 20:58.11 | streuner_ | there are 90 percent idlers here and 20-30 active |
| 20:58.40 | streuner_ | so that question is like you win the jackpot... |
| 20:58.58 | streuner_ | if its a laptop just /msg dpkg laptop |
| 20:59.03 | OpenTokix | Audible: Try defining your problem instead. |
| 20:59.46 | streuner_ | Audible: only mobo or its a special piece of hardware? |
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| 21:00.20 | jhutchins | cafaro: It's a better idea to try building the non-free driver from radeon than mixing releases. |
| 21:00.50 | cafaro | jhutchins: already tried fglrx |
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| 21:01.53 | turtleboy | Do we as linux users have any options available to use helping or allowing us to develop iphone apps under linux? |
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| 21:02.31 | Audible | so to define my problem, its related to microphone output that does not work, alsamixer and the likes have been of no help in the matter |
| 21:02.57 | streuner_ | sounds like a soundsystem problem to me |
| 21:03.34 | cafaro | Will investigate further another time, thanks for helping |
| 21:03.45 | whizz | I'm trying to upgrade my lenny to squeeze, but udev is complaining about my kernel not being upgraded yet (which could be correct), while aptitude keeps telling me there is no space left on the drive... :( |
| 21:03.47 | streuner_ | if not ALSA work, just try OSS4, its in Debian |
| 21:03.48 | Audible | so if anyone had a via VT 1828s chipset, does it work |
| 21:04.18 | whizz | if anyone would be so kind as to look at my aptitude output: http://pastebin.com/f28LNYcg |
| 21:04.44 | whizz | (I kept the udev upgrade behind) |
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| 21:05.27 | whizz | do I understand correctly my /var/ partition is full while unpacking the new kernel? |
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| 21:05.50 | ||cw | whizz: well, if you are out if disk space on /var or /boot, you have to fix that first |
| 21:05.56 | streuner_ | mac80211.ko': No space left on device |
| 21:05.59 | rascal999 | is there a way to instruct useradd and passwd to to modify /etc/passwd and shadow? |
| 21:06.01 | streuner_ | sounds promising |
| 21:06.08 | rascal999 | *not to |
| 21:06.16 | jhutchins | whizz: looks to me like it's /lib that's full. |
| 21:06.37 | jhutchins | whizz: No, missed the "." |
| 21:06.44 | jhutchins | whizz: df -h |
| 21:06.45 | rascal999 | is there a way to instruct useradd and passwd to modify files other than /etc/passwd and shadow? |
| 21:06.45 | ||cw | rascal999: maybe by taking "files" and.or "compat" out of nsswitch.conf...maybe |
| 21:07.00 | ||cw | this will also prevent auth to passwd/shadow |
| 21:07.14 | ||cw | or maybe some pam hack |
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| 21:07.29 | ||cw | sounds like you are doing something "wrong"-ish though |
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| 21:07.30 | whizz | df -h gives me: http://pastebin.com/HK6cNzQf |
| 21:07.47 | rascal999 | ||cw: network auth through passwd shadow distribution |
| 21:07.54 | ||cw | whizz: your root is full |
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| 21:08.25 | rascal999 | can i make the world's smallest chroot to do this? |
| 21:08.28 | ||cw | 300MB is not enough for /lib |
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| 21:08.35 | whizz | ||cw: I see, can I fix that through ssh? |
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| 21:08.50 | rascal999 | what do i need in a chroot to get this working? |
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| 21:08.56 | ||cw | rascal999: why not use nis or ldap or something more designed for the purpose? |
| 21:09.09 | rascal999 | ||cw: i've been trying both with no success |
| 21:09.20 | ||cw | whizz: uninstall any kernel versions you don't need |
| 21:10.05 | whizz | ||cw: the contents of my /boot are: config-2.6.26-2-686 grub initrd.img-2.6.26-2-686 System.map-2.6.26-2-686 vmlinuz-2.6.26-2-686 |
| 21:10.16 | whizz | I guess I need those |
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| 21:11.04 | ||cw | whizz: I have a very minimal system with 1 self-made kernel that reasonably minimal my /lib is 100M, andother more generic and less minial server with 250M /lib. 300MB is not a big enough root, at all |
| 21:11.21 | whizz | ||cw: so I should resize my partitions? |
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| 21:11.26 | ||cw | whizz: any left overs in /lib/modules ? |
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| 21:12.26 | whizz | ||cw: yes, there are 3 kernel version-named directories there |
| 21:12.29 | ||cw | resize might the only way, but if you are half way through an upgrade, that could be tricky to get it to boot again |
| 21:12.39 | whizz | I can delete these safely? |
| 21:12.45 | ||cw | delete the ones you aren't using and see what gets free'd |
| 21:12.52 | ||cw | probbaly not much |
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| 21:13.36 | whizz | that freed 50MB |
| 21:13.47 | whizz | might be enough |
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| 21:14.19 | ||cw | for a couple more packages |
| 21:15.14 | ||cw | see, upgrades will install the new version of the libs, which often have new file names, then at the end of the install process remove the old ones |
| 21:15.30 | whizz | ||cw: seems like aptitude is able to continue now :) |
| 21:16.10 | whizz | thanks for pointing me to /lib/modules, I didn't know that :) |
| 21:16.37 | whizz | but I guess resizing after I get this kernel working is a good idea anyway |
| 21:16.51 | whizz | I guess I _have_ to boot from a live-cd to resize partitions? |
| 21:17.07 | whizz | live partitions that is |
| 21:17.34 | wols | you can remount them read-only, resize and then reboot |
| 21:17.41 | wols | no need for a live cd |
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| 21:18.52 | whizz | wols: I can remount my root? |
| 21:19.18 | simonrvn | mount -o remount,ro / |
| 21:19.39 | whizz | sounds like it's worth a shot |
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| 21:20.28 | whizz | what should I use to resize my partitions on the command-line? |
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| 21:20.45 | streuner_ | parted? |
| 21:20.52 | streuner_ | !parted |
| 21:20.52 | dpkg | GNU Parted is a partition editor, used for creation, destruction, resizing and copying, including the associated file system within. I (Mongoose) used it to resize a 10G partition to 15G without losing my data. Supports Apple and sparc partition tables, can only shrink HFS/HFS+ filesystems. http://www.gnu.org/software/parted/ #parted on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 21:22.34 | whizz | thanks :) |
| 21:22.48 | whizz | I guess rebooting is a good idea now |
| 21:22.53 | whizz | cya ;) |
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| 21:24.07 | streuner_ | !factinfo parted |
| 21:24.08 | dpkg | parted -- created by Mongoose <mongoose@user-33qt4lb.dialup.mindspring.com> at Sat Mar 4 03:12:52 2000 (3733 days); last modified at Fri Jul 25 08:57:49 2008 by gsimmons!~gsimmons@203-217-86-83.dyn.iinet.net.au; it has been requested 121 times, last by streuner_, 3m 16s ago. |
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| 21:24.49 | Appetite | wow 10 years lol |
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| 21:25.42 | simonrvn | seen a few oldies |
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| 21:26.24 | factor | looks like debian has the security fix for postgresql |
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| 21:26.47 | simonrvn | duh |
| 21:26.53 | simonrvn | !dsa |
| 21:26.54 | dpkg | [dsa] Debian Security Announcement, see http://www.debian.org/security/ and http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/ , or Debian System Administration (http://wiki.debian.org/Teams/DSA), the people you pester (via rt.debian.org) to install software and such on Debian Project computers. |
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| 21:27.11 | simonrvn | #1 |
| 21:28.03 | pynchon | http://www.gnaa.eu/export/343/trollforge/pynchon/dcc.html |
| 21:28.20 | streuner_ | wtf |
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| 21:29.03 | orioni | hi there , is it possible to change a tcp packet in realtime ? |
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| 21:29.28 | wols | orioni: yes |
| 21:29.40 | ikonia | !ops | pynchon |
| 21:29.40 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: ikonia complains about: | pynchon |
| 21:29.40 | PerfDave | orioni: What are you trying to achieve? There are packet generators, and you can mangle most TCP stuff going through your machine with iptables. |
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| 21:30.03 | orioni | sth like arpspoofing |
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| 21:30.15 | orioni | but just the content of the packet itself |
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| 21:30.22 | streuner_ | hehe |
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| 21:30.44 | streuner_ | someone with a real name, he is prolly just an idiot :-) |
| 21:30.47 | djura-san | o/ |
| 21:31.03 | streuner_ | (in order to paste such a crap) |
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| 21:31.41 | orioni | to inject some info on the data part of a tcp packet through a ssl web connection |
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| 21:33.35 | orioni | is it possible ? |
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| 21:34.13 | wols | orioni: do you have a debian related question which doesn't involve things which are forbidden by freenode policy? |
| 21:34.29 | esaym | what do I install to do qt development? |
| 21:34.52 | orioni | inject maybe was a wrong term |
| 21:34.55 | PerfDave | esaym: What sort of Qt development do you want to do, on which version of Debian? :) |
| 21:35.20 | orioni | how to modify a tcp packet on debian ? |
| 21:35.20 | djura-san | i have question: is apt still using /etc/apt.conf as it's config file? |
| 21:35.21 | esaym | PerfDave: debian-testing. I need to make gui apps |
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| 21:35.52 | PerfDave | esaym: With which language? |
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| 21:36.08 | esaym | PerfDave: they will be simple apps, but I see in examples certain headers are included that I don't have. This if for c++ |
| 21:36.08 | streuner_ | djura-san: you dont usually need apt.conf at all |
| 21:36.19 | PerfDave | orioni: What are you actually rying to achieve? You're trying to reverse-engineer SSL or something? |
| 21:36.34 | wols | !tell esaym about search |
| 21:36.53 | wols | PerfDave: he tries to do a MITM attack on TLS |
| 21:37.05 | djura-san | streuner_: aham. I should use those config files in /etc/apt/ for apt config then right? |
| 21:37.13 | PerfDave | esaym: apt-cache search --names-only qt dev |
| 21:37.27 | esaym | hmm |
| 21:37.37 | streuner_ | djura-san: /msg dpkg bobbitt |
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| 21:38.48 | orioni | no , just changing packets on a proxy server and i want to insert my logos |
| 21:38.58 | orioni | i,e on a website |
| 21:39.05 | djura-san | streuner_: im aware of that. i use sid only :\ |
| 21:39.48 | wols | orioni: you can't. TLS is designed to prevent what you want to do. |
| 21:40.10 | orioni | .suppose its a http connection |
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| 21:42.36 | rascal999 | sudo service statd start -- fails with Warning: Fake initctl called, doing nothing. Any ideas? |
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| 21:43.08 | compaq | Where can I find the image files for icons? Such as konsole, where is the icon image? |
| 21:43.35 | djura-san | compaq: konsole from kde? |
| 21:44.00 | djura-san | go to /usr/share/icons and search oxygen dir |
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| 21:44.07 | PerfDave | orioni: You basically can't do that on an HTTPS connection. |
| 21:44.15 | compaq | djura-san, thanks |
| 21:44.26 | djura-san | yw :) |
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| 21:51.09 | jhutchins_lt | So partitioning bites another user. |
| 21:51.31 | honschu | Is there a tool to sort out and rearrange parts of a big patch? I need to break it down to some smaller pieces. |
| 21:52.00 | lindi- | honschu: magit-mode in emacs is nice for that |
| 21:52.34 | craigevil | djura-san: you can use apt.conf or /etc/apt/apt.conf.d |
| 21:52.36 | honschu | lindi-: Is there something other? I'm more into vim. |
| 21:52.41 | lindi- | honschu: emacs has diff-mode too |
| 21:52.54 | lindi- | honschu: but magit-mode is somewhat nicer since it is directly tied to git |
| 21:53.15 | lindi- | honschu: perhaps vim supports patches too? |
| 21:53.21 | honschu | lindi-: okay, I'm starting emacs now.... |
| 21:53.34 | lindi- | honschu: do you know git? |
| 21:53.48 | honschu | yes, but the patch is just a patch-file |
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| 21:53.50 | djura-san | craigevil: ty mate. i noticed during my current debian netinstall configuring that i did that right so i got no suggested packages etc. |
| 21:54.17 | lindi- | honschu: anyways, i'm off to sleep now |
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| 21:59.49 | multi_io | can someone restart the Windows 95 cluster that apparently hosts *.debian.org? |
| 22:00.13 | PerfDave | multi_io: Works for me :) |
| 22:00.20 | multi_io | wait |
| 22:00.27 | multi_io | IPv6 issue probably |
| 22:00.46 | epsilon | win95 can handle ipv6? |
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| 22:01.14 | PerfDave | Hmm, anybody else having trouble logging into KDE from KDM in Squeeze? I just dist-upgraded my VM and it broke; .xsession-errors at http://debian.pastebin.com/anudu6hJ is unhelpful. |
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| 22:02.02 | epsilon | I remember I had to "install" TCP on Win3.11 |
| 22:03.18 | multi_io | bugs.debian.org has an IPv6 address |
| 22:03.32 | dondelelcaro | multi_io: lots of Debian machines have them |
| 22:03.50 | jhutchins_lt | http://downforeeryoneorjustme.com/ftp.debian.org |
| 22:04.04 | multi_io | apparently chrome can't connect to it |
| 22:04.15 | multi_io | I can ping6 it just fine though |
| 22:04.28 | jhutchins_lt | Sorry, mistyped that. |
| 22:05.05 | jhutchins_lt | multi_io: http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/bugs.debian.org |
| 22:05.37 | dondelelcaro | multi_io: that machine (lindberg) is working just fine, so if you can't connect to it, something is wrong at your end |
| 22:05.45 | jhutchins_lt | still fails to see the point of ipv6 when it's going over ipv4 anyway. |
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| 22:06.19 | dondelelcaro | jhutchins_lt: it doesn't necessarily get tunneled over ipv4 |
| 22:06.21 | multi_io | can't wget -6 http://bugs.debian.org/ either |
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| 22:06.45 | multi_io | it resolves the address, connects, then hangs sending the HTTP request |
| 22:06.52 | jhutchins_lt | dondelelcaro: not if it's going across your own basement, no. |
| 22:07.09 | dondelelcaro | multi_io: it takes a while to respond if you're asking for something complicated. |
| 22:07.31 | multi_io | it's an MTU issue |
| 22:07.38 | multi_io | ip link set eth0 mtu 1400 |
| 22:07.43 | multi_io | ^^^makes it work |
| 22:07.54 | multi_io | I had this before, damn. |
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| 22:08.10 | Traveler | hello |
| 22:09.50 | Traveler | i did have problems on my network i want eth0 (internet) <-- and if i connect with cable to eth1 it should be have internet over eth0 is there an way ? |
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| 22:10.21 | Traveler | i tryed this : echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/net/ipv4/ip_forward |||| iptables -A FORWARD -i eth0 -j ACCEPT |||| iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE |
| 22:10.31 | Traveler | but still didnt work |
| 22:10.31 | PerfDave | Traveler: Do you want to do anything clever like NAT? You could just bridge eth0 and eth1... |
| 22:11.18 | Traveler | can you tell me how ? i used this -> iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE isnt it like NAT ? |
| 22:11.22 | jhutchins_lt | Traveler: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/ |
| 22:11.27 | wols | Traveler: do you run lenny? |
| 22:11.51 | PerfDave | Traveler: Do you want to run NAT or not? Bridging is a lot simpler. |
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| 22:12.17 | Traveler | if bridging is simpler so i like this ^^ |
| 22:12.34 | PerfDave | I'm sorry, I didn't understand that :) |
| 22:12.41 | Traveler | yes wols |
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| 22:12.58 | H2S04 | /buffer 2 |
| 22:13.05 | Traveler | if its easyier to bridge so i want this :D |
| 22:13.22 | wols | Traveler: aptitude install ipmasq |
| 22:13.58 | Traveler | ok done wols |
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| 22:14.27 | epsilon | Bridge won't work if you have only 1 public IP for the router |
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| 22:15.46 | wols | Traveler: now you have NAT working. provided your two PCs can ping each other |
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| 22:16.38 | Traveler | so easy ? :D thanks wols |
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| 22:22.23 | Klan | can somebody help me with 2 libs ? |
| 22:22.27 | Klan | error while loading shared libraries: libreadline.so.5: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
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| 22:24.07 | isfranc | hello |
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| 22:24.22 | isfranc | have yoy try this http://www.globalscaletechnologies.com/p-32-guruplug-server-plus.aspx |
| 22:24.26 | isfranc | is good ? |
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| 22:26.11 | hap | hi |
| 22:26.20 | hap | anyone knows how I should install redis on my debian ? |
| 22:26.29 | hap | any deb package out there. |
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| 22:30.55 | tuvwx | debtorrent has gone wild. continuously downloading at maximum link speed! |
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| 22:31.12 | tuvwx | purges debtorrent |
| 22:31.13 | ShadeS | apt-get is debainism I've been told |
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| 22:31.49 | PerfDave | !tell hap -about search |
| 22:31.54 | Hydroxide | ShadeS: apt-get was created by debian, yes. |
| 22:32.00 | ShadeS | soooo |
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| 22:32.06 | ShadeS | i try to dhcpcd eth0 |
| 22:32.21 | ShadeS | told it's not installed, so I go to apt-get install it but i forgot that's a catch 22 |
| 22:32.26 | ShadeS | i can't download anything with out setting my IP first |
| 22:32.29 | Hydroxide | you probably want 'ifup eth0' |
| 22:32.38 | Hydroxide | debian typically installs a dhcp client by default |
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| 22:32.53 | ShadeS | spanks |
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| 22:33.12 | ShadeS | I completely forgot about ifup |
| 22:33.15 | hap | PerfDave: i searched and found nothing for redis/stable |
| 22:33.19 | hap | so is my question |
| 22:33.27 | ShadeS | that's odd |
| 22:33.34 | ShadeS | my ip is showing up as 192.168.33.128 |
| 22:33.44 | Hydroxide | that's some internal IP to your local network |
| 22:33.45 | PerfDave | !tell hap about pdo |
| 22:33.46 | ShadeS | when my subnet on the router is 0.* |
| 22:33.48 | Hydroxide | ah |
| 22:34.02 | ShadeS | i think it has to do with vmware and the nat setting it has by default |
| 22:34.04 | Hydroxide | if you have a large enough local subnet that's still possible |
| 22:34.11 | Hydroxide | ah, yeah |
| 22:34.18 | ShadeS | yeah |
| 22:34.25 | ShadeS | lets hope I don't nee dto put in crazy routing rules to get out side |
| 22:34.26 | ShadeS | or inside |
| 22:34.33 | Hydroxide | anyway, good luck - I think the remaining details are either specific to your network or to vmware (which is outside the scope of #debian) |
| 22:34.42 | ShadeS | because I wanted to reap data off this ext3 partition off this external drive |
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| 22:35.13 | hap | PerfDave: same thing, nothing for stable. and I don t want to go unstable for this, so I wondered if someone had done a backport somewhere not listed |
| 22:35.54 | PerfDave | !tell hap -about backport |
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| 22:38.02 | Kamshak | does anyone know a good howto on how to install php5.3 and apache? Last time it messed up my system, i just wiped it, don't want it again :S |
| 22:38.21 | PerfDave | Kamshak: Which version of Debian are you running? |
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| 22:44.41 | SPF | Kamshak: what version of debian are you running? |
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| 22:53.53 | dkr | Kamshak: would you perchance be aware of the debian version that thou art running? |
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| 23:05.52 | Enmity | Hi, I need some help setting up Linux so that when I plug in an external drive it is not read only. Is this easy to do? |
| 23:07.14 | Enmity | debianwiki was vague on this, does someone have a good link they could share? |
| 23:07.39 | Enmity | http://wiki.debian.org/HardDisk was no help at all |
| 23:08.29 | streuner_ | USB external? |
| 23:11.16 | Enmity | yes |
| 23:12.08 | streuner_ | so you arent using GNOME? |
| 23:12.18 | Enmity | I just plugged it in, it popped up with window what to do, was good. |
| 23:12.32 | Enmity | no, I am using the kde version of Debian |
| 23:12.41 | streuner_ | why not use "cat /proc/partitions" and mount it? |
| 23:13.18 | Enmity | cat? |
| 23:13.24 | streuner_ | yes |
| 23:13.26 | ted_ | meow |
| 23:13.50 | ted_ | from "concatenate" |
| 23:14.13 | streuner_ | dpkg, cat |
| 23:14.14 | dpkg | i guess cat is a program in Unix and Unix-like operating systems that concatenates the contents of files, reading from a list of files and/or standard input in sequence and writing their contents in order to standard output. cat takes the list of files as arguments but also interprets the argument "-" as standard input. See also <more> and <less>. |
| 23:14.30 | ted_ | man cat |
| 23:14.30 | ted_ | yo |
| 23:15.21 | ted_ | not to be confused with |
| 23:15.23 | ted_ | catman |
| 23:16.49 | PerfDave | Enmity: What's on the hard drive? |
| 23:17.24 | Enmity | ok, I typed in cat /proc/partitions and it listed sda1 and sdb2 etc, how do I make it read write when I plug it in? edit /etc/fstab? |
| 23:17.31 | Enmity | Anime =) |
| 23:18.25 | PerfDave | Enmity: Do you know what filesystem the hard drive is using? |
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| 23:18.59 | Enmity | PerfDave: no, how do I find out? would probably be fat32 by default I think |
| 23:19.02 | magnux | Buenas noches |
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| 23:19.35 | streuner_ | just mount it |
| 23:19.39 | PerfDave | Enmity: So you plug the USB in, and you get a pop-up that tells you a new disk has been connected, and you can click a thing there to mount it and open up the filesystem in Konqueror? |
| 23:20.02 | Enmity | yes, Dolphin |
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| 23:20.24 | PerfDave | Enmity: Ah, which version of Debian are you running? |
| 23:20.37 | Enmity | 5 ??? |
| 23:20.56 | djura-san | im off. night people |
| 23:20.58 | PerfDave | No, I don't think you are - Debian 5 uses KDE3 and Konqui... |
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| 23:21.15 | Enmity | Mate helped install it for me, still getting used to it |
| 23:21.15 | PerfDave | Dolphin is part of KDE 4, which is in Debian Testing or Unstable. |
| 23:21.32 | PerfDave | Enmity: Can you type "cat /etc/debian_version" at a terminal? |
| 23:21.40 | Enmity | its definately Dolphin, says so on the task bar |
| 23:21.43 | PerfDave | Or just open taht file up in Dolphin :) |
| 23:22.30 | Enmity | it says squeeze/sid - no version number though |
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| 23:23.51 | PerfDave | Enmity: Fair enough :) |
| 23:24.05 | PerfDave | Enmity: Anyway, do you have the drive mounted and available in Dolphin right now? |
| 23:24.17 | Enmity | is that why I can't delete files on my usb drive? |
| 23:24.23 | Enmity | yes |
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| 23:25.23 | PerfDave | Enmity: Right, can you type "mount" in a terminal and copy the output to http://debian.pastebin.com/ please? |
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| 23:26.58 | simonrvn | .net |
| 23:27.11 | simonrvn | oh never mind |
| 23:27.26 | simonrvn | read the paste and debian backwards... |
| 23:27.39 | streuner_ | heh |
| 23:27.54 | PerfDave | pastes nvrnomis |
| 23:28.57 | Enmity | http://debian.pastebin.com/bb3sFfW3 |
| 23:29.14 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 23:29.18 | simonrvn | hi PerfDave |
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| 23:30.12 | Enmity | mount says it is rw, ntfs but I still can't rename or delete files |
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| 23:30.54 | Enmity | do I need to aptitude ntfs-3g? I have done some reading! |
| 23:31.07 | streuner_ | no |
| 23:31.31 | streuner_ | if its vfat |
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| 23:32.02 | PerfDave | Enmity: Can you paste that output for me please? It will help me to help you. |
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| 23:32.30 | compaq | I am having trouble with video. It played once, and then since then, it play way too colourful, the hue is maxed |
| 23:32.42 | streuner_ | Enmity: install just ntfs-3g |
| 23:32.48 | The_Eccentric | anyone know a walk threw for silc server on debian |
| 23:34.05 | streuner_ | PerfDave: he already did |
| 23:34.18 | Enmity | its at http://debian.pastebin.com/bb3sFfW3 |
| 23:34.20 | PerfDave | streuner_: Oops, you're right, I'm clearly over-tired. Sorry Enmity |
| 23:34.36 | Kamshak | Sorry for being afk, question was "does anyone know a good howto on how to install php5.3? ", my version is "Debian GNU/Linux 5.0" |
| 23:34.56 | streuner_ | PerfDave: yep, its late here too, iam going to bed soon |
| 23:34.58 | Enmity | heh its ok, thanks muchly for the help |
| 23:34.58 | PerfDave | Enmity: What is the output of "id" on your system? |
| 23:35.13 | The_Eccentric | anyone? |
| 23:35.25 | PerfDave | Kamshak: Is there any particular reason you want PHP 5.3 rather than the version that's built and tested with Debian 5? |
| 23:36.31 | Enmity | http://debian.pastebin.com/sEiAXrHs - posting this is not going to let anyone hack my laptop is it? |
| 23:36.50 | PerfDave | Enmity: Nah, no passwords there ;) |
| 23:36.58 | Kamshak | PerfDave: I need support for SDL and FileIterator |
| 23:37.30 | PerfDave | Kamshak: I don't know what those things are, but fair enough. You'll have to backport PHP5.3 yourself, and keep up with security updates etc. manually. /msg dpkg backport |
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| 23:38.19 | PerfDave | Enmity: Out of interest, what happens if you type "touch /media/SSD/foo" ? |
| 23:39.22 | Enmity | can't touch, read-only file system |
| 23:39.36 | Enmity | but mount says its rw ... |
| 23:39.38 | PerfDave | Enmity: What error does it give exactly? |
| 23:39.41 | streuner_ | did you install ntfs-3g? |
| 23:39.58 | Enmity | touch: cannot touch `/media/SSD/foo': Read-only file system |
| 23:40.13 | streuner_ | !ntfs-rw |
| 23:40.27 | streuner_ | dpkg, listkeys ntfs |
| 23:40.29 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'ntfs' by key (15 of 38): #debian ntfs rw ;; #debian ntfsro ;; #debian read-ntfs ;; #debian ro-ntfs ;; _default captiventfs ;; _default ntfs resize ;; _default ntfsrw ;; fsck.ntfs ;; ntfs bootsector recovery ;; ntfs-3g ;; ntfs3g ;; ntfsck ;; ntfsclone ;; ntfsrw ;; user accessible ntfs. |
| 23:40.45 | streuner_ | dpkg, ntfsrw |
| 23:40.45 | dpkg | If you want read/write access to NTFS filesystems, ask me about <ntfs-3g> or use ntfsmount from the ntfsprogs package (see also Debian bug #508982). See also <user accessible ntfs>. |
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| 23:42.38 | PerfDave | Enmity: It looks like the KDE side of things is all working fine at least - your user should have access to that filesystem. I'm going to concur with streuner_ and suggest safely removing the USB drive, installing the ntfs-3g package and replugging the drive. |
| 23:42.43 | streuner_ | just install both, ntfs-3g and ntfsprogs |
| 23:43.03 | Enmity | kk |
| 23:43.08 | Enmity | thanks |
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| 23:45.03 | Kamshak | PerfDave i don't really get what this is, googled and pmd dpkg but i dont understand what i have to do. Using the method from http://www.dotdeb.org/2009/07/03/php-5-3-0-final-preview-packages-available-for-debian-lenny/ broke my libc6(segmentation faults in various applications) |
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| 23:47.02 | PerfDave | Kamshak: Oh dear, sounds like your system is quite seriously broken - I'd consider reinstalling. |
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| 23:47.16 | streuner_ | !dotdeb |
| 23:47.16 | dpkg | methinks dotdeb is for the latest PHP and MySQL releases, packaged up and backported for your pleasure, go to http://dotdeb.org/, but realize that we cannot support dotdeb packages here, so you will be ON YOUR OWN. There is little reason to use dotdeb.org now that backported versions of PHP and MySQL are available from backports.org. Ask me about <backports> and <backports.org>. "aptitude purge ~Vdotdeb" |
| 23:47.26 | Enmity | PerfDave: I think I broke it =/ Now nothing pops up when I plug it in - Reboot for new driver to take effect? |
| 23:47.47 | PerfDave | Kamshak: Backporting means taking the source code of the PHP 5.3 package from Debian's testing or unstable branch, and compiling it against the dependencies (such as libc) from stable. |
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| 23:48.04 | Kamshak | ah ok |
| 23:48.21 | PerfDave | Enmity: Hmm, possibly - I've not used ntfs-3g but it does require kernel-level stuff so a reboot might help |
| 23:48.45 | Enmity | ok, bbiab |
| 23:48.53 | Kamshak | PerfDave: i just wiped the system, i thought it was a good idea to uninstall libc6, but it wasnt |
| 23:49.06 | streuner_ | heh |
| 23:49.14 | PerfDave | Kamshak: It's never a good idea to uninstall libc :) |
| 23:49.21 | streuner_ | hehe |
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| 23:49.30 | streuner_ | "wiped the system"` |
| 23:49.32 | streuner_ | ? |
| 23:49.35 | PerfDave | Well, not unless you *really* know what you're doing. And what you're doing is being crazy. |
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| 23:50.01 | Kamshak | i stopped when it said "Do you really want to remove the kernel" |
| 23:50.12 | streuner_ | good call :-) |
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| 23:51.09 | streuner_ | you shouldnt ignore essential questions of dpkg/apt :-) |
| 23:51.14 | streuner_ | without kernel Debian makes not much fun ;-) |
| 23:52.04 | streuner_ | besides, dotdeb packages is a bad idea too |
| 23:52.22 | Kamshak | so how do i get the php sources from an unstable branch? |
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| 23:53.36 | PerfDave | !tell Kamshak -about simple sid backport |
| 23:53.43 | streuner_ | using PHP is a bad idea too :-P |
| 23:54.01 | Kamshak | why O.o |
| 23:54.15 | streuner_ | too many security holes in general |
| 23:54.29 | Kamshak | i would use python but i find php easier to use |
| 23:55.13 | PerfDave | Using PHP that you've backported yourself and have to fix security updates in manually seems like a bad idea. |
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| 23:56.20 | Kamshak | but i need 5.3 :( (my C knowledge does not allow me to fix any bugs tho, especially security bugs) |
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