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| 00:00.42 | PerfDave | Kamshak: Well, it's your decision to make, but if you backport something yourself then you won't get security updates through Debian's mechanisms which only really support the stable release's packages. |
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| 00:01.05 | Kamshak | any idea how long it'll take for 5.3 to be marked as stable? |
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| 00:02.33 | PerfDave | Kamshak: It won't be "marked as stable". It's currently in testing; at the next Debian release, the packages in testing become the new stable release. |
| 00:02.37 | PerfDave | !when will squeeze release |
| 00:02.37 | dpkg | Squeeze will release <WIR>, <SIYH>. No release schedule is done yet. Ask me about <squeeze bet>. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2010/05/msg00000.html |
| 00:03.04 | Kamshak | oh ok |
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| 00:03.45 | Kamshak | ill just use the stable version then, i dont want to break my system again, thanks for the help |
| 00:04.12 | PerfDave | No worries Kamshak |
| 00:04.44 | streuner_ | !PerfDave++ |
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| 00:07.03 | beardy | waves to PerfDave |
| 00:07.59 | PerfDave | Hey beardy :) |
| 00:08.05 | PerfDave | Thanks streuner_ |
| 00:08.11 | beardy | Hey :) |
| 00:08.20 | PerfDave | Right, bed for me, I've got my Squeeze VM up and running and installed the C# bindings for Qt... |
| 00:09.03 | beardy | Sleep squeezed (tight). |
| 00:09.45 | Kamshak | what does !name++ do? |
| 00:10.06 | beardy | It adds a karma point. |
| 00:10.18 | streuner_ | dpkg, karma PerfDave |
| 00:10.19 | dpkg | perfdave has karma of 11 |
| 00:10.36 | beardy | !ops Linuxiano |
| 00:10.37 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: beardy complains about: Linuxiano |
| 00:10.49 | Linuxiano | why am I being reported? |
| 00:11.13 | beardy | Because of /msg spam containing the "n-word" and a link. |
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| 00:14.17 | streuner_ | beardy: n-word is nonsense? |
| 00:14.19 | Kamshak | !PerfDave++ |
| 00:14.34 | beardy | streuner_: No. |
| 00:14.40 | streuner_ | hm |
| 00:15.07 | streuner_ | beardy: so what it is? |
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| 00:15.42 | streuner_ | beardy: oh fuck |
| 00:16.08 | beardy | streuner_: Quite. |
| 00:16.33 | streuner_ | Linuxiano: are you part of GNAA? |
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| 00:16.57 | Linuxiano | no |
| 00:17.31 | streuner_ | why are pasting to people such crap then? |
| 00:18.11 | Linuxiano | what crap? |
| 00:18.13 | Linuxiano | prove it? |
| 00:18.16 | Linuxiano | DO YOU HAVE A LOG? |
| 00:18.19 | beardy | Yes. |
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| 00:18.24 | Linuxiano | ok then out with it |
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| 00:18.39 | beardy | I suggest everyone ignore Linuxiano. |
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| 00:28.34 | Ziber | i want to boot from a flash drive. can i really just copy the .iso to the flash drive, and boot from it? |
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| 00:29.15 | beardy | Ziber: It is possible, some machines will do that fine. But you should probably use: |
| 00:29.19 | beardy | !unetbootin |
| 00:29.19 | dpkg | UNetbootin (Universal Netboot Installer) allows creation of bootable USB drives for a variety of Linux distributions, packaged for Debian. http://unetbootin.sf.net/ See also <usb install>. |
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| 00:31.30 | Ziber | and can someone point me in the direction of a debian server edition dvd iso image for use on a flash drive? |
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| 00:32.11 | dotCOMmie | Debian testing policy states that for a package to be in testing all its dependencies must be in testing. If this is not the case what should the severity level of bug repot be? |
| 00:32.12 | beardy | There are no "server editions" or simillar.. things. It becomes what you make of it. |
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| 00:33.01 | beardy | Ziber: So if you want to install from a dvd, grab the stable dvd iso:s. If the machine is connected to the Internet, you're better off using the netinstaller though. |
| 00:33.07 | beardy | !d-i Ziber |
| 00:33.07 | dpkg | Ziber, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ |
| 00:33.55 | Ziber | there's no one single .iso file? |
| 00:34.17 | beardy | Ziber: Not that contains every package no, since they are many. |
| 00:34.38 | Ziber | but how am i supposed to install it from a usb drive...? |
| 00:35.04 | beardy | Ziber: They are ordered by popularity, the first disc contains what most people use, and so forth. |
| 00:35.13 | beardy | !usb install |
| 00:35.13 | dpkg | Yes, it is possible to install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03 . To download USB stick images, ask me about <install debian>. https://launchpad.net/win32-image-writer/+download to prepare from Windows. BIOS can't boot from USB? Use http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html |
| 00:35.48 | beardy | !tell Ziber -about install debian |
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| 00:40.48 | ScottG | I am having a few unexplainable networking problems. I believe this is because I am having problems with IPv6. When I check lsmod, however, nothing shows up. I also tried following a guide for disabling IPv6 with no luck. Could anyone recommend a way to check to see if IPv6 really is in fact running on my system. `uname -a` output: Linux scott-laptop 2.6.32-3-amd64 #1 SMP Wed Feb 24 18:07:42 UTC 2010 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
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| 00:42.16 | Ziber | ScottG: output of ifconfig would help |
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| 00:43.53 | ScottG | Ziber: Sure |
| 00:44.43 | ScottG | Ziber: http://pastebin.com/3WVsFRV4 |
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| 00:45.41 | Ziber | Its still enabled, but I dont see any public IPv6 addresses tere. |
| 00:45.42 | Ziber | *there |
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| 00:49.42 | Sergio` | I'm installing lenny netinst in my other computer and I got this error on starting the base install from the CD, Debootstrap error, failed to determine the codename for the release. |
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| 00:51.18 | ScottG | Ziber: Hm ok. |
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| 00:52.27 | mzb | Sergio`: google suggests: "load installer components from cd" |
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| 00:53.24 | ScottG | Ziber: If it isn't showing up as a kernel module how do you think it is still enabled? |
| 00:54.46 | Ziber | inet6 addr: fe80::221:70ff:fe6b:6814/64 Scope:Link <-- means its still enabled |
| 00:55.29 | ScottG | Ziber: Ah ok I see. I tried something else. Gonna reboot and see if it works |
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| 01:03.28 | jaggz | can I make bash so I type a directory name without 'cd ' and it'll cd to it? |
| 01:03.37 | jaggz | like ndos/4dos used to do :) |
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| 01:10.41 | ScottG | Ziber: Still no luck. Do you have any tips for disabling it? |
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| 01:18.13 | Tramp | jaggz: yes you can (although not with standard tools), but I consider it pointless. That said: command_not_found_handle(){ echo "cd-ing to $1"; /root/bin/writevt $(tty) "cd $1^M"; } |
| 01:18.57 | Tramp | jaggz: you may (1) not have writevt (2) the command_not_found_handle is bash4 (though previouly present in Debian and *buntu), the ^M is a literal newline |
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| 01:19.53 | Tramp | jaggz: (well, the writevt is in my /root/bin, obviously. If you don't have it - bad luck) |
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| 01:21.57 | jaggz | yeah, I have writevt.. scary command eh |
| 01:22.30 | jaggz | alias ..='cd ..'; alias ...='cd ...' Whatcha think? :) |
| 01:24.46 | Tramp | why would any sane^H^H^H^H normal person have so many directories named "..." that this 2nd alias is required |
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| 01:41.50 | jaggz | Tramp, no I don't have any directories named .. or ... ... is just to change two directories earlier |
| 01:42.33 | jaggz | oh, I made a mistake in my alias here in channel.. my apologies! :/ |
| 01:42.40 | jaggz | alias ...='cd ../..' |
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| 01:47.33 | ScottG | Can someone help me disable IPv6? |
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| 01:49.30 | abrotman | !noipv6 |
| 01:49.31 | dpkg | [noipv6] To disable use of <IPv6> on Lenny: echo "install ipv6 /bin/true" >> /etc/modprobe.d/local.conf (and reboot for the changes to take effect). From Squeeze onwards, IPv6 is built into the kernel, add the kernel command line option "ipv6.disable=1" to your bootloader. |
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| 01:52.01 | ScottG | cd /etc/sysctl.conf |
| 01:52.01 | ScottG | s |
| 01:52.03 | ScottG | oops |
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| 01:54.59 | sweb | what is the best securiest premission for php files ? |
| 01:55.14 | sweb | and .htaccess files? |
| 01:55.26 | vsmatck | chmod 000 |
| 01:56.03 | sweb | also in public folders .js, .css , .jpg , .png, .gif and etc ? |
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| 01:56.29 | sweb | vsmatck, 000 did not prevent to run by php ? |
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| 01:57.37 | vsmatck | I was making a lame joke. No one can access implies secure but it's rediculous because what is the use of a file no one can read. |
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| 02:30.44 | ScottG | abrotman: The problem was actually in /etc/sysctl.d/bindv6only.conf |
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| 03:08.49 | SuperMiguel | is there a debian eee channel? |
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| 03:36.54 | khem_ | iface br0 inet static address 95.211.132.66 netmask 255.255.255.224 network 95.211.132.64 broadcast 95.211.132.95 |
| 03:37.09 | khem_ | what does "network" in this config file launch for type of command or attribute to ifconfig? |
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| 03:38.45 | aerodynamics | hello i need help. |
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| 03:39.39 | civillian | khem_, it's largely reduntant AFAIK, the computer can work out default broadcast + network addresses from the address + netmask entries. |
| 03:40.00 | aerodynamics | i need help. |
| 03:40.12 | khem_ | civillian: ok cool. but how do i set it manually? :) |
| 03:40.20 | civillian | aerodynamics, so far we haven't heard your question, so it's a bit hard... |
| 03:41.05 | civillian | khem_, ifconfig can set all of those |
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| 05:01.53 | snadge | ipv6 support .. a quick one, on debian.. with ipv6 enabled.. if i type "telnet opensuse.mirror.aussiehq.net.au 80" it resolves and immediately tries to connect to the ipv4 address |
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| 05:02.37 | snadge | on other more poverty stricken systems, such as opensuse and centos.. it will attempt to connect to the ipv6 address for about half a minute, before it times out, then reconnects using the ipv4 address |
| 05:03.53 | snadge | im wondering if someone with an understanding of how the name resolution ipv6/ipv4 process works.. can enlighten me as to why this is? |
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| 05:08.12 | neoice | snadge: that seems strange. I think I only get AAAA (ipv6) records over ipv6. |
| 05:10.04 | snadge | i thought all queries were aaaa by default now? |
| 05:10.22 | snadge | or has debian changed to only do this if an ipv6 ip address is configured? |
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| 05:21.39 | jpinx-eeepc | I got a USB wifi adaptor sort-of working. It comes up as wlano and I got wicd to use it by changing wicds preferences in it's gui, and ifconfig ra0 down the internal wifi. Wicd now connects, but drops the connection after a few seconds. Any ideas anyone? dmesg output is here http://debian.pastebin.com/guxMXM5c |
| 05:25.01 | jpinx-eeepc | I'm using lenny on an eeepc |
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| 05:35.42 | jelly-home | nope, sorry |
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| 05:47.33 | MoMo | how do i stop kde and drop back to before i ran startx? |
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| 05:59.03 | JasonWoof | man, power went out |
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| 05:59.52 | JasonWoof | they were fast though! within probably 60 seconds of the power going out two utility trucks went down my street, and they had power back in 10-15 minutes |
| 06:00.33 | JasonWoof | maybe it's time I invested in a UPS again |
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| 06:07.48 | nomende | i was using the netinstall cd to re-partition my disk. Re-partition program warned that it will take a long time. Instead, I delete the partition and recreate a bigger one from free space. But I notice that the filesystem from the 'deleted' partition has remained intact. does this make sense? |
| 06:08.18 | JasonWoof | sure |
| 06:08.42 | nomende | how so, the partition is deleted! |
| 06:08.42 | JasonWoof | it'll still be there until you format the partition |
| 06:09.00 | nomende | so what does deleting a partition do? |
| 06:09.01 | JasonWoof | nomende: basically, you just changed the table of contents |
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| 06:09.19 | JasonWoof | edits the partition map (the thing that says where the partitions are) |
| 06:09.25 | nomende | ok, i udnerstand now, thks. |
| 06:09.33 | nomende | understand |
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| 06:10.02 | JasonWoof | it's formatting that'll break the existing data |
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| 06:10.26 | JasonWoof | mkfs.ext4 or some such |
| 06:10.28 | nomende | break means what, delete? |
| 06:10.43 | JasonWoof | "overwrite parts of" |
| 06:11.09 | nomende | ok, so some data can still be recovered fr a formatted disk? |
| 06:11.26 | JasonWoof | usually, yes |
| 06:11.46 | nomende | and it will require special program? |
| 06:11.49 | JasonWoof | if you want to wipe all data from that area of the disk, you'll need an additional command |
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| 06:12.09 | JasonWoof | heh, probably one of the most basic programs ever |
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| 06:12.29 | nomende | what about 'shred', does that destroy data for good? |
| 06:12.34 | JasonWoof | can do it with cat I think, but dd is reccomended |
| 06:13.23 | JasonWoof | something like: dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/sdasomething |
| 06:13.24 | JasonWoof | or if=/dev/zero |
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| 06:13.51 | JasonWoof | shred works on individual files |
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| 06:13.55 | nomende | ok, thks. |
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| 06:14.00 | nomende | bye. |
| 06:14.06 | JasonWoof | it's easier and more secure (I think) to just wipe the whole partition |
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| 06:14.57 | elenril | dd'ing from /dev/zero isn't very secure afaik |
| 06:15.25 | JasonWoof | elenril: privilege escalation? ;) |
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| 06:16.09 | bburhans | no, JasonWoof... elenril is correct only because it takes several passes to remove any forensically identifiable traces of the polarity of each bit on disk |
| 06:16.14 | wols_ | JasonWoof: everything is a file. including disks. so why would shred not work on whole disks? |
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| 06:16.28 | JasonWoof | wols_: good point |
| 06:16.41 | elenril | except it'd be lolslow |
| 06:16.53 | snadge | shred is terribly slow anyway |
| 06:16.54 | JasonWoof | bburhans: true, but irrelivant in the vast vast majority of cases. |
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| 06:17.03 | snadge | took ages to delete my porn collection :P |
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| 06:17.13 | peterrooney | bburhans: that hasn't been close to true for a decade. |
| 06:17.53 | jelly-home | new ata drives usually have a "secure delete" ata command |
| 06:17.56 | wols_ | and if it were, you'd need thermite anyways |
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| 06:19.02 | wols_ | JasonWoof: _first_ identify to services, THEN join channels |
| 06:19.21 | lindi- | jelly-home: do you know it by any chance? iki.fi/lindi/ata-query.c should be a template for sending arbitrary ATA commands |
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| 06:19.44 | JasonWoof | wols_: can pidgin do that? |
| 06:19.59 | bburhans | JasonWoof: doubtful. Get a dedicated IRC client? |
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| 06:20.39 | lindi- | JasonWoof: pidgin can do it, it's called buddy pounce or something |
| 06:21.04 | jelly-home | lindi-: I don't, but sening this particular command is already implemented in hdparm |
| 06:21.22 | JasonWoof | lindi-: buddy pounce will delay channel joining? |
| 06:21.51 | lindi- | JasonWoof: i think you can configure joining irc network to be an event |
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| 06:22.09 | lindi- | JasonWoof: at least I recall people using that to register to freenode |
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| 06:22.30 | lindi- | JasonWoof: maybe they manually join the channels |
| 06:22.59 | JasonWoof | Oh, I've already got it auto-registering me. it's just that it doesn't wait for that to complete before joining channels |
| 06:23.31 | jelly-home | or you could argue nickserv is too slow! |
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| 06:23.54 | JasonWoof | jelly-home: yeah! fix race conditions by making one really fast ;) |
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| 07:11.12 | JasonWoof | lindi-: there's a commit 5 weeks ago to get pidgin to wait for nickserv identify before auto-joining. The commit is to purple-plugin-pack which has not released a version since this patch. Also, it only works with pidgin-2.7.0+ which was released 6 weeks ago |
| 07:11.46 | jpinx-eeepc | I got a USB wifi adaptor sort-of working. It comes up as wlano and I got wicd to use it by changing wicds preferences in it's gui, and ifconfig ra0 down the internal wifi. Wicd now connects, but drops the connection after a few seconds. Any ideas anyone? dmesg output is here http://debian.pastebin.com/guxMXM5c |
| 07:11.52 | jpinx-eeepc | I'm using lenny on an eeepc |
| 07:12.08 | JasonWoof | oops, not pidgin. purple-plugin-pack was released 6 weeks ago. pidgin-2.7.0 was released 12 days ago |
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| 07:13.00 | JasonWoof | jpinx-eeepc: I'm pretty new to debian... but lenny might be too old for that computer |
| 07:13.32 | JasonWoof | wifi drivers have come a long long way in the last few years |
| 07:13.55 | wols_ | ,versions pidgin |
| 07:13.56 | judd | pidgin -- etch-backports: 2.4.3-4lenny5~bpo40+1; lenny: 2.4.3-4lenny5; lenny-security: 2.4.3-4lenny7; squeeze: 2.6.5-2; lenny-backports: 2.7.0-1~bpo50+1; sid: 2.7.0-3 |
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| 07:14.13 | wols_ | so 2.7 is available for all debian versions basically |
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| 07:18.45 | AlexC_ | Morning |
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| 07:18.59 | AlexC_ | I see there is a linux-image-2.6.26-2-amd64 update, will a restart be required? |
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| 07:20.41 | AlexC_ | 'uname -a' shows I am already running 2.6.26-2 |
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| 07:23.30 | JasonWoof | wols_: what about squeeze? |
| 07:23.35 | the-dude | AlexC_: yes you need a reboot |
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| 07:26.27 | AlexC_ | the-dude ok, and how can I view the changelog for this package? As always, the link on the Debian packages site is a 404 |
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| 07:26.44 | krambiorix | hi guys |
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| 07:27.32 | honschu | Hi, I now have a very big patch file and would like to split it into smaller ones. Is it possible to regexp over the patch-file and extract matching hunks? |
| 07:27.37 | krambiorix | on my server i have a memory usage of 52% and CPU usage of 1.98%. Now my load is 1.29... Is that normal? |
| 07:27.49 | AlexC_ | normal for what? |
| 07:28.08 | krambiorix | AlexC_, for a webserver with some web apps |
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| 07:29.39 | AlexC_ | krambiorix: no one could really answer that question for you, depends entirely on what you have running, your hardware, how many pages you're serving + how quickly, what the scripts do etc |
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| 07:30.16 | AlexC_ | however an idle load of 1.29 is a little high |
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| 07:30.35 | krambiorix | AlexC_, there are 5 persons working on the server right now |
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| 07:30.59 | the-dude | AlexC_: see /usr/share/doc/$packagename/changelog.* |
| 07:31.22 | krambiorix | AlexC_, i thought the load depends on the memory and cpu |
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| 07:32.17 | AlexC_ | krambiorix: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Load_(computing) |
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| 07:32.45 | krambiorix | thx |
| 07:34.16 | AlexC_ | this is why it depends entirely on your situation; providing such figures isn't of any help to us |
| 07:34.31 | AlexC_ | the-dude thanks very much |
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| 07:35.43 | wols_ | JasonWoof: very unlikely that squeeze can't use a lenny backport. or one could port the backport to squeeze. a squeeze user should be able to do that |
| 07:37.29 | Dewi | krambiorix: with a load that high, cpu usage should not be that low |
| 07:37.56 | Dewi | krambiorix: which cpu usage % is that? top has several |
| 07:38.21 | krambiorix | Dewi, i read it from my Plesk control panel |
| 07:38.26 | sepski | krambiorix, also depends on IO do you have a lot of waiting (wa in top) |
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| 07:38.37 | krambiorix | i'll check |
| 07:39.07 | krambiorix | sepski, i don't see wa |
| 07:39.19 | Dewi | krambiorix: third line, near the end |
| 07:39.23 | krambiorix | ow i see it |
| 07:39.49 | Dewi | krambiorix: maybe the plesk figure is only one of those. Are any high? |
| 07:39.53 | krambiorix | Dewi, sepski , between 0.2 and 1.3 |
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| 07:40.29 | Dewi | krambiorix: perhaps more specifically, what's the 'id' % and load average from top right? |
| 07:40.34 | krambiorix | Dewi, sepski , near Cpu i see 98%id |
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| 07:43.38 | Dewi | krambiorix: id is idle. So your load average should be well below 1, unless something is queueing for cpu a lot without actually doing any work |
| 07:44.41 | krambiorix | hmm |
| 07:44.50 | krambiorix | Dewi, why is that load so high then? |
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| 07:55.36 | jargon- | i'm using apt-cache-ng and running a netinstallation for squeeze. is there a way to pass the apt-cache's IP as a parameter so the netinstallation gets it's package from cache, rather than going out to the internet every time? |
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| 07:58.14 | wols_ | jargon-: what is apt-cache-ng exactly? |
| 07:58.56 | wols_ | cause it's not in my debian. and I'm fairly happy with apt-cache itself |
| 07:59.10 | ethanol | hrm. my lenny with bpo install is marking samba-common as could not upgrade. anything new? |
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| 07:59.44 | wols_ | !tell ethanol about bat |
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| 08:00.14 | ethanol | coming up |
| 08:00.34 | wols_ | as for what's new, apt-cache policy helps |
| 08:00.39 | jargon- | wols_: sorry,that's apt-cacher. |
| 08:00.59 | ethanol | wols_: http://paste.debian.net/74743/ |
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| 08:01.35 | wols_ | jargon-: apt-proxy might do what you want I think |
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| 08:02.12 | wols_ | ethanol: look at your apt-cache output |
| 08:02.20 | ethanol | I did |
| 08:02.25 | ethanol | why isn't it installing though? |
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| 08:03.02 | iceroot | are there other ways then libtrash to have something like a trash (for everything)? |
| 08:03.08 | wols_ | !tell ethanol about kept back |
| 08:03.15 | JohnNew | ssh -R 3.3.3.3:80:192.168.1.238:80 user@3.3.3.3 |
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| 08:03.29 | JohnNew | i use that to have a reverse shell tunnel forwarding the internal port |
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| 08:03.36 | JohnNew | however, ONLY on p80 it does not work |
| 08:03.38 | dbbolton | what is the package i need to install to be able to suspend to ram? |
| 08:03.48 | JohnNew | note the 3.3.3.3 server does not have a p80 opened yet |
| 08:03.52 | JohnNew | can anyone see what goes wrong here? |
| 08:04.07 | jargon- | wols_: ok thanks |
| 08:04.09 | ethanol | lame, installing the latest samba-common would result in uninstalling smbclient |
| 08:04.10 | ethanol | :< |
| 08:04.22 | ethanol | what good is samba-common going to be then? |
| 08:05.44 | JohnNew | (3.3.3.3 is on the same system as 3.3.3.1 so probably it tries to bind on ANY 0.0.0.0 which blocks cause 3.3.3.1 already runs p80) |
| 08:06.13 | JohnNew | how can i fix this? i want to instruct ssh not to listen p80 on ANY but only on a specific ip on that dedicated box |
| 08:06.38 | ethanol | use a different remote or local port? |
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| 08:07.21 | ethanol | use iptables to direct incomming traffic from source ip on that port to a specific internal ip:port ? |
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| 08:07.30 | ethanol | probably other options available as well |
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| 08:13.47 | Arrowmaster | grr i hate ubuntu and everybody that releases .deb's built for ubuntu without concern for other distros that use .deb |
| 08:14.16 | Arrowmaster | and why the hell does ubuntu have to use different package versioning schemes than debian for some packages |
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| 08:16.16 | OpenTokix | Arrowmaster: It is a different distribution, I think that is the main reason. |
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| 08:17.13 | valdyn | actually they try to keep the diff small |
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| 08:17.35 | Arrowmaster | , versions libpurple0 |
| 08:17.37 | judd | libpurple0 -- etch-backports: 2.4.3-4lenny5~bpo40+1; lenny: 2.4.3-4lenny5; lenny-security: 2.4.3-4lenny7; squeeze: 2.6.5-2; lenny-backports: 2.7.0-1~bpo50+1; sid: 2.7.0-3 |
| 08:17.50 | Arrowmaster | vs 1:2.6.6-1ubuntu4 |
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| 08:19.10 | Arrowmaster | so the .deb i downloaded that requires libpurple0 >= 1:2.5.0 wont install on debian until i manually edit it to change the version it requires |
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| 08:19.41 | Dewi | Arrowmaster: use a package built for debian |
| 08:19.49 | Arrowmaster | there arent any |
| 08:19.52 | Dewi | Arrowmaster: and I don't mean of libpurple |
| 08:20.13 | Dewi | Arrowmaster: what are you trying to use? |
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| 08:20.21 | Arrowmaster | http://gfireproject.org/download/ |
| 08:20.34 | nomende | can i use grsync between two drives? i notice it does not provide a means to mount drives. |
| 08:20.54 | valdyn | nomende: rsync works on files and directories |
| 08:21.00 | jelly | nomende: what is grsync? |
| 08:21.10 | valdyn | gui frontend to rsync |
| 08:21.29 | Dewi | nomende: yes rsync can copy locally between 2 paths |
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| 08:21.50 | jelly | nomende: in that case, it doesn't provide a means to mount drives, because it's not its job |
| 08:22.13 | jelly | it probably also doesn't provide a means to read mail |
| 08:22.16 | nomende | if i write my own script, i can do that. |
| 08:22.17 | Dewi | Arrowmaster: might be easier to build from source |
| 08:22.36 | nomende | all i need is to mount and umount the destination drive. |
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| 08:23.02 | JohnNew | can i let ssh listen on 2 specific ips? |
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| 08:23.07 | JohnNew | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:23.08 | JohnNew | tcp6 0 0 :::22 :::* LISTEN |
| 08:23.10 | nomende | i would expect a gui to provide the means. |
| 08:23.14 | jelly | JohnNew: definitely yes. |
| 08:23.18 | JohnNew | jelly: how? |
| 08:23.41 | Arrowmaster | ive already got it installed, i just used my script that pulls the control file out of a .deb, launches $EDITOR, and then rebuilds the .deb |
| 08:23.52 | nomende | rsync can copy between two remote machines. |
| 08:23.53 | wols_ | jelly: then thks app is not sufficiently evolved |
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| 08:24.05 | jelly | JohnNew: read sshd_config(5), esp. ListenAddress |
| 08:24.16 | Arrowmaster | im just ranting that i have to do that since every damn 3rd party .deb is now built against ubuntu instead of debian |
| 08:24.18 | JohnNew | ok jelly |
| 08:24.26 | nomende | grsync is dumb not to add the feature to allow syncing two drives. |
| 08:24.31 | JohnNew | jelly: do you maybe have another suggestion for my other question i asked earlier |
| 08:24.48 | jelly | JohnNew: I haven't read it |
| 08:24.53 | Dewi | nomende: mounting has little or nothing to do with copying |
| 08:25.19 | JohnNew | jelly: sec |
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| 08:25.41 | JohnNew | jelly: ssh -R 3.3.3.3:80:192.168.1.238:80 user@3.3.3.3 i use that to have a reverse shell tunnel forwarding the internal port |
| 08:25.44 | JohnNew | jelly: however, ONLY on p80 it does not work |
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| 08:25.57 | Dewi | nomende: I can't even imagine what a mounting UI would look like |
| 08:25.58 | JohnNew | jelly: note the 3.3.3.3 server does not have a p80 opened yet |
| 08:25.59 | JohnNew | jelly: (3.3.3.3 is on the same system as 3.3.3.1 so probably it tries to bind on ANY 0.0.0.0 which blocks cause 3.3.3.1 already runs p80) |
| 08:26.01 | nomende | Dewi: it is a prequisite to copying between to fs or rives. |
| 08:26.07 | JohnNew | jelly: how can i fix this? i want to instruct ssh not to listen p80 on ANY but only on a specific ip on that dedicated box |
| 08:26.29 | JohnNew | im looking at this for long time |
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| 08:26.41 | Dewi | nomende: what kind of removable media are you using? |
| 08:26.43 | nomende | Dewi: click on a pic of a drive and its mounted, how's that? |
| 08:26.53 | JohnNew | jelly: running 2 instances of ssh, is that the only solution for this? |
| 08:27.04 | JohnNew | jelly: sshd i mean |
| 08:27.10 | valdyn | nomende: so use something else |
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| 08:27.19 | valdyn | nomende: grsync is what it is. |
| 08:27.44 | nomende | Dewi: its ok, i have a script to do it but i was surprised that grsync can't do it. |
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| 08:28.16 | jargon- | is apt-proxy still being worked on? the timestamp on their site says Last updated: 25 Feb 2005 :-| |
| 08:28.23 | jargon- | http://apt-proxy.sourceforge.net/ |
| 08:28.58 | valdyn | jargon-: its probably obsolete anyway |
| 08:29.08 | jargon- | valdyn: aah i see |
| 08:29.41 | Arrowmaster | jargon-: theres an apt-cacher and apt-cacher-ng |
| 08:29.47 | valdyn | and approx |
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| 08:30.01 | jelly | JohnNew: you need to be root to bind ports lower than 1024 |
| 08:30.20 | JohnNew | jelly: i am |
| 08:30.23 | Arrowmaster | valdyn: didnt know about that one, man theres too many of them |
| 08:30.42 | jelly | JohnNew: so user@3.3.3.3 is really root@3.3.3.3 ? |
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| 08:30.54 | jargon- | Arrowmaster: i've got apt-cacher-ng and i'm wondering if there's a way to point a netinstallation to apt-cacher-ng? |
| 08:31.04 | JohnNew | jelly: i can set that yes, is there absolutely no other work around (thanks btw) |
| 08:31.11 | JohnNew | jelly: wait i try now |
| 08:32.24 | JohnNew | jelly: also doesn't work with root |
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| 08:32.46 | Arrowmaster | jargon-: does it ask about a proxy during the install? |
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| 08:33.01 | JohnNew | 3.3.3.3 and 3.3.3.1 is the same system, my guess is it tries to listen on 3.3.3.1 where already a webserver is running |
| 08:33.17 | jelly | JohnNew: don't guess, verify |
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| 08:33.36 | JohnNew | jelly: how can i ? |
| 08:34.18 | JohnNew | jelly: i just tested |
| 08:34.29 | JohnNew | jelly: when ssh -R to something to forward a port, it tries to listen on ANY |
| 08:34.37 | JohnNew | not on the ip i specify, is this fixable some way? |
| 08:34.44 | RichiH | hmm, i have a 500 gb ntfs partitions with 27 gb of data on it. ntfsclone refuses to copy the data to a 40 gb partition |
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| 08:34.53 | JohnNew | jelly: for example, tcp6 0 0 :::63456 :::* LISTEN |
| 08:34.59 | jelly | JohnNew: run the sshd in foreground with debugging on, see what happens. Verify sshd is configured to allow binding of low ports. Also verify the webserver doesn't already have hold on *:80 |
| 08:35.21 | JohnNew | jelly: not on *:80 but on another ip there |
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| 08:35.46 | jargon- | Arrowmaster: i think so. i should pay more attention. i tend to rush through the installations, these days |
| 08:35.51 | jargon- | brb |
| 08:35.56 | jelly | JohnNew: uh, tcp6? |
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| 08:36.31 | jelly | you were only talking of ipv4 addresses so far |
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| 08:36.43 | pif | hi, I'm looking for a pdf editor (change a few text strings, etc.) |
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| 08:37.41 | jelly | RichiH: shrink it, clone it, resize it back? |
| 08:38.06 | RichiH | jelly: i feared someone would say that |
| 08:38.39 | RichiH | does not like to modify the original source |
| 08:38.42 | RichiH | for obvious reasons |
| 08:39.05 | Arrowmaster | jargon-: if not you can edit the boot prompt while starting the installer (using tab i think) and append mirror/http/proxy?=proxyaddress to the boot options |
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| 08:39.17 | optraz | im thining to use mon package but that it offer the variable interval, specifies the frequency that a monitor script will be triggered. but if i want the monitor to check on 10am everyday |
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| 08:39.21 | optraz | how do i do that? |
| 08:39.28 | jelly | RichiH: well then, clone it into a sparse file, and mess with the copy |
| 08:39.49 | valdyn | optraz: cron |
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| 08:40.26 | JohnNew | jelly: yes |
| 08:40.29 | optraz | valdyn: agree but what if i want to use mon? |
| 08:42.59 | Dewi | jelly: ntfsclone's special sparse format isn't great for messing with |
| 08:43.14 | Dewi | jelly: or do you mean an ext3 sparse file. And if so, how do you make it make one? |
| 08:44.58 | Dewi | jelly: oh, I'm silly. From the man page it looks like it always does if the target filesys supports |
| 08:45.04 | optraz | valdyn: because the current script run everyday at 10am and do the monitoring of the system. so it is close to what mon does and im thiking mon can called the script everyday at 9am erather than 24h |
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| 08:45.33 | Dewi | RichiH: does your target filesystem support sparse? |
| 08:45.45 | Dewi | RichiH: and is it getting partway through, or just refusing to start? |
| 08:46.42 | RichiH | Dewi, jelly: i talked to the person the disk belongs to. everything is backed up so i am just resizing |
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| 08:47.01 | RichiH | Dewi: it's ntfs as well and it stopped before doing anything |
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| 08:47.42 | Dewi | RichiH: NTFS does support sparse, but I have no idea whether your linux ntfs driver does |
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| 08:48.33 | optraz | im thining to use mon package but that it offer the variable interval, specifies the frequency that a monitor script will be triggered. but if i want the monitor to check on 10am everyday |
| 08:48.36 | Dewi | RichiH: tar has an option -S that skips zeroes tho |
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| 08:49.00 | Dewi | RichiH: you might find you can pipe via that if you have a space-constrained target |
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| 08:49.50 | RichiH | Dewi: i do not get to a point where i could cheat ntfsclone. even when piped through some hoops just for to confuse ntfsclone, the sanity checks error out and ntfsclone exits |
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| 09:00.51 | icebrain | my local interface (lo) has not been initialized on boot, does anybody knows what's up with that? |
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| 09:01.32 | wols_ | icebrain: broken interfaces file? |
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| 09:02.00 | icebrain | wols_: nope "auto lo \n iface lo inet loopback" |
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| 09:02.20 | icebrain | (the \n is mine) I do use wicd, can it be screwing it up? |
| 09:04.15 | wols_ | it shouldn't. does "ifup lo" work? |
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| 09:05.01 | icebrain | yes |
| 09:05.50 | lord_koala | HELP Please: Hi! I installed Putty, but I have no clue how to connect to my debian server from my laptop. Can anyone point me to the right direction, please? |
| 09:05.52 | icebrain | oh, by the way, sorry: I use Sid! :X |
| 09:06.31 | icebrain | I just wanted to find out if anyone was having the same problem |
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| 09:09.25 | wols_ | lord_koala: first you need to find out what IP your debian server has (/sbin/ifconfig) and if openssh-server is instaleld |
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| 09:10.37 | lord_koala | wols_ I see my ip and I think I installed ssh.. but how can I check it_ |
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| 09:11.16 | lord_koala | wols_ by ip you mean inet addr: right? not Bcast? |
| 09:11.17 | factor | How can I find what file systems I have available , I cant seem to find /dev/filesystems |
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| 09:12.12 | wols_ | lord_koala: dpkg -l *ssh* |
| 09:12.15 | lord_koala | wols_ I checked.. openssh is installed. |
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| 09:13.02 | lord_koala | wols_ Do I need to do anything in order to run it or installing is enough? |
| 09:13.17 | wols_ | it is started automatically |
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| 09:13.37 | nasso | are there any words in the english language with three consequtive consonants? |
| 09:13.40 | pav5088 | I've found a bug, but I'm not sure whos bug it is. I'm using a package (opsi-linux-bootimage) which depends on tftpd... but I want to use atftpd. Should atftpd provide tftpd (as it provides a tftpd), or should opsi-linux-bootimage depend also on atftpd. |
| 09:13.57 | lord_koala | wols_ Thanks.. now my ip is ready and I have openssh in my server.. also I have putty installed in my laptop.. where do I go from there? |
| 09:14.03 | wols_ | nasso: debian has no consecutive consonants and that's all we care about |
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| 09:14.32 | factor | ahh found it /proc/filesystems |
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| 09:14.33 | wols_ | lord_koala: you connect to your server. for learning how to use putty, #debian is the wrong place |
| 09:14.39 | jelly | nasso: wtf |
| 09:14.54 | nasso | wols_, okay :) is there any channel on freenode that i can ask these kind of questions? :) |
| 09:14.55 | jelly | nasso: try ##English |
| 09:15.08 | lord_koala | wols_ Alrighty.. thanks for your help.. I should try #putty |
| 09:15.16 | nasso | jelly, sweet. huge thanks |
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| 09:19.05 | pav5088 | nasso : BTW, "jelly" contains three consecutive consonants... hmmm... although is "y" a consonant? Try "spring" also. |
| 09:19.58 | JohnNew | does anyone know how i can make proftpd listen on one specific ip only? |
| 09:20.03 | lord_koala | wols_ it seems that I need to open port 22 for ssh connections.. could you point me to the right direction on how to open port 22, please? |
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| 09:21.00 | lindi- | lord_koala: unless you have specifically firewalled it it should be reachable. |
| 09:22.02 | lord_koala | lindi- i did not firewalled anything.. it is a fresh install. |
| 09:22.37 | lord_koala | lindi- but putty asks my login info but refuses to grant me access. what might be the reason.. I though of the port. |
| 09:23.25 | OpenTokix | lord_koala: did you install ssh, since default only ssh client is installed not server. |
| 09:23.32 | lord_koala | lindi- Never mind.. it is now connected :). thanks for the help. |
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| 09:24.04 | jelly | JohnNew: heh, do we have to go thru this again for every single service? |
| 09:24.12 | lord_koala | opentokix: I also installed ssh, yes and It just started to work :) thanks.. now I am more than happy :) |
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| 09:24.24 | JohnNew | jelly: well, bind param doesn't work for me |
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| 09:27.29 | wols_ | jelly: you have to ask? |
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| 09:30.26 | JohnNew | with ssh -R .. is it also possible to forward 2 ports instead of 1? (in case ftp) |
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| 09:30.56 | PerfDave | JohnNew: You can't forward FTP over SSH like that, because FTP is fundementally broken. Use SFTP. |
| 09:31.29 | wols_ | JohnNew: unfortunately ftp needs more than just 2 ports |
| 09:31.34 | wols_ | !ftpmustdie |
| 09:31.34 | dpkg | FTP MUST DIE! http://mywiki.wooledge.org/FtpMustDie |
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| 09:33.03 | JohnNew | PerfDave: notepad++ where i work with doesn't support SFTP |
| 09:33.05 | JohnNew | damnn |
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| 09:34.27 | PerfDave | JohnNew: You could set up OpenVPN and do FTP over that? |
| 09:34.42 | wols_ | linux nat can handle ftp protocol. and some ftpds might use preassigned port areas for transfer which you can then forward |
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| 09:35.59 | JohnNew | wols_: proftpd? |
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| 09:36.27 | mobidev | hi to all |
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| 09:38.29 | xelister | hi. It would seems that retty appliation is just for i386 not for 64 bit systems |
| 09:38.34 | xelister | http://packages.debian.org/sid/retty |
| 09:38.41 | xelister | are there any plans to fix that |
| 09:39.24 | wols_ | !tell xelister about bts |
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| 09:40.22 | xelister | we would need some hacker to rewrite it.. it seems to use i386 assembler :/ and I wonder will it be compatible with security tools, it looks a bit like a hack. |
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| 09:40.49 | jelly | JohnNew: what are you really trying to accomplish there? Perhaps your server really ought to be a NAT/router, using a proper tunnel to get to real services |
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| 09:42.21 | wols_ | JohnNew: or use VMs to make your life simpler |
| 09:43.42 | PerfDave | xelister: If you need a hacker to rewrite it, I suggest you pay one ;) |
| 09:44.21 | PerfDave | xelister: Or you could work around whatever the problem you're trying to solve is, using GNU screen or similar? |
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| 09:45.43 | jelly | or use a 32bit os ;-) |
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| 09:46.01 | Bushmills | if it needs asm coding, try ##asm |
| 09:46.22 | Bushmills | and make a good offer :) |
| 09:46.52 | jelly | /* This is bytecode inserted on the stack of the attached application. */ # srsly |
| 09:47.08 | wols_ | Bushmills: from a comment in retty code: /* This is bytecode inserted on the stack of the attached application. */ |
| 09:47.11 | wols_ | any more question? |
| 09:47.16 | jelly | wols_: hey! |
| 09:47.28 | OpenTokix | sounds awesome =) |
| 09:47.36 | wols_ | it will never ever work in a proper 64bit OS. google "NX bit" |
| 09:48.13 | wols_ | jelly: tho you have to admit, it's a cool hack |
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| 09:50.53 | jelly | *nod* |
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| 09:51.43 | xelister | PerfDave: I have a process that was in xterminal, the xterminal died, but process keeps running, I would like to re-attach it |
| 09:51.49 | jpinx-eeepc | I got a USB wifi adaptor sort-of working in lenny. It's a rtl8187 chipset and the kernel module is loadad. It comes up as wlano and I got wicd to use it by changing wicds preferences in it's gui, and ifconfig ra0 down the internal wifi. Wicd now connects, but drops the connection after a few seconds. Any ideas anyone? dmesg output is here http://debian.pastebin.com/guxMXM5c |
| 09:52.07 | iceroot | uname -m is telling me amd64, dpkg --print-architecture is telling me i386, is this common on a vserver? |
| 09:52.11 | xelister | wols_: yeah I seen that in code.. that would explain the problem =) |
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| 09:52.34 | xelister | then probably proper solution would be a real linux kernel way to re-attach a process (or libc.. who ever is responsible for that) |
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| 09:53.24 | jelly | xelister: tough it out like we all do, kill it and use screen or dtach next time |
| 09:53.38 | Ashhh | um |
| 09:53.47 | Ashhh | how do I open the application menu on gnome? |
| 09:53.50 | Ashhh | with keyboard? :S |
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| 09:54.13 | jpinx-eeepc | Ashhh: Ctrl-Esc maybe |
| 09:54.26 | xelister | jelly: the thing is that I cant kill it. I really think then linux should have a nice way of doing that |
| 09:54.35 | Ashhh | that's not it :/ |
| 09:54.38 | jelly | iceroot: happens if you're using a 64bit kernel and a 32bit distro |
| 09:54.39 | xelister | s/can't/I need to not |
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| 09:54.56 | PerfDave | xelister: Well, in future, use screen :) |
| 09:55.01 | iceroot | jelly: i know and my question was if it is a common case or if it is a problem/unusual |
| 09:55.03 | xelister | meh |
| 09:55.04 | dgm_077 | Ashhh: alt+f1 |
| 09:55.11 | OpenTokix | xelister: just kill the pid? |
| 09:55.18 | xelister | OpenTokix: I want to NOT kill it |
| 09:55.41 | jelly | iceroot: I mean, it can happen regardless of vserver |
| 09:55.42 | Ashhh | yay it worked |
| 09:55.44 | Ashhh | ths :DDDDDD |
| 09:55.46 | xelister | last time I checked screen sucked for my use case, because of no scroll (normallin in konsole xterminal I have 10.000 scrollback, inside screen I seem to have non/not accessible via GUI scrollbar) |
| 09:56.00 | PerfDave | GNU screen has scrollback |
| 09:56.12 | jelly | xelister: ctrl-a [, then scroll away |
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| 09:56.27 | xelister | yeah, that nerdy scrollback |
| 09:56.40 | jelly | xelister: oh noes |
| 09:56.40 | iceroot | jelly: but with that i cant install anything which is acting with the kernel? |
| 09:56.41 | xelister | I wanted a normal GUI *konsole program* (or gnome-terminal) scrollbar |
| 09:56.43 | Ashhh | I love debian :D |
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| 09:56.59 | iceroot | jelly: like iptables? |
| 09:57.00 | jelly | xelister: patch konsole to emit screen commands? :-> |
| 09:57.15 | Ashhh | k like |
| 09:57.22 | Ashhh | I'm playing this game, trackballs |
| 09:57.35 | Ashhh | windowed mode |
| 09:57.42 | jelly | xelister: for obvious reasons, the scrollback needs to be managed in screen |
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| 09:57.47 | Ashhh | and it wont let the mouse cursor leave the window |
| 09:58.00 | xelister | well then it would be nice to have konsole-screen application |
| 09:58.14 | JasonWoof | wols_: I got the latest pidgin, and patched and rebuild the plugins-pack, (in hopes of getting indentified before auto-joining) and then when I fired up pidgin, I didn't get identified at all |
| 09:58.33 | jelly | iceroot: that seems to be normal for a vserver, yes. There's only one kernel for all the VPSes |
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| 09:58.53 | xelister | Ashhh: sysrq+R it ;) |
| 09:58.58 | Ashhh | :o |
| 09:59.01 | Ashhh | what's sysrq? |
| 09:59.06 | jelly | xelister: I bet KDE people will accept your patches! ;-) |
| 09:59.07 | wols_ | JasonWoof: maybe ask pidgin people? you can't be the only one with your problem. |
| 09:59.07 | Ashhh | that windows button? :o |
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| 09:59.22 | xelister | unraw it. Ha ha ha who has keyboards hook now, stupid focus-stealing game |
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| 10:00.14 | xelister | (for game that would steal alt+tab etc) |
| 10:00.29 | Ashhh | o.o |
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| 10:03.08 | iceroot | how to see all dependencies (and dependencies from that result) a package has? |
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| 10:03.51 | jpinx-eeepc | what makes my wlan0 "not ready" when everything else seems to be ok? |
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| 10:04.07 | wols_ | iceroot: apt-rdepends |
| 10:04.15 | iceroot | wols_: thx |
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| 10:05.29 | wols_ | jpinx-eeepc: 2.6.26? |
| 10:05.40 | jpinx-eeepc | wols_: yep |
| 10:06.10 | wols_ | jpinx-eeepc: I'd try a backport kernel. as I said: wlan is a WiP |
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| 10:11.22 | jpinx-eeepc | wols_: ok - thanks |
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| 10:13.12 | guzu | hello all |
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| 10:13.49 | jpinx-eeepc | wols_: what's the safest kernel upgrade that'll work? |
| 10:13.54 | guzu | i've installed debian-installer 6 alpha1 and the machine keeps rebooting (seems to never attempt to get over grub) |
| 10:15.08 | wols_ | guzu: why don't you run or install stable? |
| 10:15.34 | guzu | wols_: i don't have any stable install media |
| 10:16.27 | guzu | i have some older -testing, before 5 was released |
| 10:16.59 | PerfDave | guzu: You can get stable install media? :) |
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| 10:21.05 | guzu | PerfDave: not right now, i'm at office and i'm not allowed to download |
| 10:21.37 | PerfDave | guzu: You're downloading IRC right now! :) |
| 10:21.37 | wols_ | but irc is allowed? interesting |
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| 10:23.03 | guzu | PerfDave: wols_ the problem is bandwidth |
| 10:23.25 | PerfDave | guzu: Smile sweetly at your sysadmins and/or use wget --limit-rate ;) |
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| 10:24.04 | guzu | PerfDave: it would be easier to get an image at evening, while at home |
| 10:24.31 | PerfDave | guzu: Fair enough. I'd do that then :) |
| 10:24.40 | guzu | PerfDave: thank you |
| 10:25.12 | guzu | meanwhile: i see in grub.conf som if's and some lines starting with "search" |
| 10:25.30 | guzu | i'll try to comment out and see what'sgoing on |
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| 10:30.37 | guzu | amazing grace! the thing is booting into gui! |
| 10:31.06 | guzu | glad i don't have to burn another disk ,waste another day etc :) |
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| 10:36.08 | guzu | one good thing about debian is, it has a lot of good docs |
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| 10:46.23 | djura-san | o/ |
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| 10:56.54 | dpkg | <antgel__> wols_: that was my question. i have established that the best method could be to open the disc and use a small magnet to get all the 1s and 0s in the right places |
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| 11:02.57 | JasonWoof | wols_: got it! I found and fixed a bug in purple-plugin-pack. It was freeing shortly before using some memory |
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| 11:26.39 | Boing | hello :) did some one know how me can have over eth1 internet from eth0 ? i did try ipmasq -> echo "1" > /proc/sys/net/net/ipv4/ip_forward -> iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE but still works only for local network not for internet access :( |
| 11:27.18 | Boing | eth0 -> router -> internet |
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| 11:30.03 | joltcan | Boing: Does the local hosts have a route to your gw (the one with iptables) |
| 11:31.36 | Boing | yes i can ping google from the maschine i did for each network adapter choose different ip's |
| 11:34.01 | Bushmills | Boing: http://scarydevilmonastery.net/masq - replace tun0 against your eth interface, and of course MYNET |
| 11:34.55 | Bushmills | oh, no tun0 in there - forget about the "tun against eth" intruction |
| 11:35.22 | Boing | ok |
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| 11:37.02 | Bushmills | (was used to use the endpoint of a tunnel as gateway, therefore was the local interface tun0) |
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| 11:39.28 | Boing | but is there a way to bridge or something else that me can on eth1 access to the internet over eth0 ? |
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| 11:40.48 | Bushmills | i just gave you a link how to do that |
| 11:41.49 | Boing | MYNET musst be are internet interface ? |
| 11:43.02 | Bushmills | does 10.86.80.0/24 look like an interface? you can use an interface instead, but not by specifying it with -s (which specifies source address, not interface) |
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| 11:44.23 | Bushmills | but as an interface has also an address (and the machines connected to it belong to a net), address instead would be absolutely feasable |
| 11:44.59 | Boing | mynet = network (eth1) that source that be allowed to connect over eth0 its right ? |
| 11:45.30 | Bushmills | do you want me to repeat what i just typed? |
| 11:45.59 | Boing | no sorry :) |
| 11:47.55 | guzu | how can i use apt behind a proxy server? |
| 11:48.25 | PerfDave | guzu: man 5 apt.conf |
| 11:48.54 | guzu | PerfDave: thnx |
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| 11:49.06 | PerfDave | guzu: See also /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/configure-index.gz |
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| 11:50.41 | manchot | under lenny, why is that the /tmp dir does not have 1777 permissions by default. |
| 11:52.14 | Boing | apt works too with edit /etc/bash.bashrc file as root and putting this into the file -> export http_proxy=http://username:password@proxyserver.net:port/ and export ftp_proxy=http://username:password@proxyserver.netport/ i think |
| 11:52.41 | abrotman | manchot: it should |
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| 11:53.40 | manchot | abrotman, can you tell me when installing debian, how the permissions are set by default? |
| 11:54.13 | manchot | abrotman, by extracting the files and retain their original permissions which are designated by the packer? |
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| 11:54.28 | masterkong_ | hiya |
| 11:54.52 | masterkong_ | why is my aptitude looking at the wrong ip? |
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| 11:55.18 | Bushmills | no idea. tell us. |
| 11:55.18 | masterkong_ | i ping ftp.se.debian.org and that gives me correct ip |
| 11:55.36 | masterkong_ | but aptitude use another ip.. |
| 11:55.39 | abrotman | maybe it has more than one IP ? |
| 11:55.43 | masterkong_ | how can that be? |
| 11:55.59 | abrotman | lots of things have more than one IP |
| 11:56.09 | masterkong_ | ftp.se.debian.org? |
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| 11:56.21 | abrotman | masterkong_: 'host ftp.se.debian.org' .. see how many it returns? |
| 11:56.22 | Bushmills | has 2 ip addresses, and an additional CNAME |
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| 11:56.36 | guzu | Boing: thnx |
| 11:56.41 | masterkong_ | ahh.. thankyou |
| 11:58.10 | masterkong_ | then i have another question.. |
| 11:59.40 | masterkong_ | why do i get this error message when i can surf to the site? |
| 11:59.43 | masterkong_ | Err http://ftp.se.debian.org lenny/main Packages 404 Not Found [IP: 130.239.18.173 80] |
| 12:00.03 | masterkong_ | when i do aptitude update |
| 12:00.31 | jelly | masterkong_: the file aptitude is looking for isn't present on that mirror |
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| 12:01.09 | masterkong_ | what is the main debian repo? |
| 12:01.30 | masterkong_ | lenny is the current stable right? |
| 12:01.33 | icebrain | yes |
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| 12:02.07 | icebrain | would think the sources.list file is not well formed |
| 12:02.45 | masterkong_ | you me to post it somewhere? |
| 12:02.56 | abrotman | or you could just try another mirror |
| 12:03.12 | abrotman | like ftp.no.debian.org |
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| 12:05.00 | masterkong_ | there you go.. i found the error |
| 12:05.22 | masterkong_ | i had forgot a /lenny/ in the sources.list |
| 12:05.46 | masterkong_ | sorry /debian/ |
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| 12:08.46 | masterkong_ | thankyou guys and goodbye |
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| 12:11.39 | Human-Bean | how do I find what device my mic on my vid cam is? |
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| 12:20.27 | AlexC_ | morning |
| 12:20.32 | AlexC_ | how can I disable/remove NFS? |
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| 12:21.28 | wols_ | uninstall it? |
| 12:21.53 | PerfDave | Don't enable it? |
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| 12:22.12 | PerfDave | AlexC_: What are you trying to achieve exactly? |
| 12:24.05 | AlexC_ | PerfDave: disable NFS, it appears to be enabled within the kernel that Linode uses and I'd like to disable it |
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| 12:24.41 | PerfDave | AlexC_: Disable it in what way? |
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| 12:25.29 | wols_ | AlexC_: what kernel exactly is it? |
| 12:25.47 | abrotman | AlexC_: why are you asking us? ask them |
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| 12:26.05 | abrotman | and why do you need it disabled if you're not using it? |
| 12:26.06 | wols_ | he might run a debian kernel. small chance, but |
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| 12:28.17 | guzu | how can i setup a network printer? |
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| 12:28.29 | wols_ | depends how the printer is attached |
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| 12:29.21 | PerfDave | guzu: Install cups, go to http://localhost:631/ |
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| 12:36.26 | gauge | !sw |
| 12:36.26 | dpkg | troubled: you un-stats whore |
| 12:37.35 | abrotman | gauge: do you need help? |
| 12:37.48 | Bushmills | guzu: by entering the desired config settings |
| 12:38.17 | guzu | PerfDave: it keeps searching for printers :( |
| 12:38.22 | guzu | Bushmills: where? |
| 12:38.49 | Bushmills | configuration frontend, or config file |
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| 12:39.31 | Bushmills | cups config frontend is usable. browse to server ip address:631 |
| 12:39.50 | wols_ | guzu: can you answer my question? |
| 12:40.11 | guzu | localhost:631 loads just fine, only it keeps searching for printers (maybe it's proxy's fault this time) |
| 12:40.36 | Bushmills | add printer |
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| 12:41.03 | guzu | wols_: which? i answered only the stable related, was there another? |
| 12:41.21 | wols_ | < wols_> depends how the printer is attached |
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| 12:41.37 | wols_ | so how is it attached to your network and how is it made available on the network? |
| 12:41.57 | Bushmills | just assume the printer can be pinged |
| 12:41.59 | guzu | wols_: it's a network printer, hp lj 8150 |
| 12:42.21 | guzu | jetdirect:9100 etc |
| 12:42.28 | guzu | fixed ip |
| 12:42.35 | guzu | postscript |
| 12:42.41 | wols_ | !enter |
| 12:42.42 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 12:43.05 | guzu | wols_: thnks |
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| 12:45.54 | ViZ | i understand ubuntu is built upon debian, and is supposed to be more user-friendly.. what i'm wondering is whether i'll be missing advanced features by choosing a more user-friendly distribution? |
| 12:46.19 | wols_ | and how would a non-userfriendly distro like debian know that? |
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| 12:48.05 | Bushmills | there may also be more user friendly channels which are more authoritative on questions related to ubuntu |
| 12:48.14 | ViZ | i'm not criticizing as i don't know much about linux.. .i'm wondering if distributions built upon debian limit some of its base features |
| 12:48.41 | Bushmills | you could ask them what they're likely to miss |
| 12:48.43 | ViZ | lol |
| 12:49.01 | ViZ | ok, thanks |
| 12:49.05 | wols_ | ViZ: ask ##linux. not us |
| 12:49.08 | Bushmills | the alternative would be to tell us all ubuntu features |
| 12:49.14 | Bushmills | than we could maybe compare |
| 12:49.19 | guzu | PerfDave: Bushmills wols_ after geting rid of the proxy configuration, i was able to select "jetdirect" and enter the ip:port . thank you very much |
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| 12:50.19 | Bushmills | idea is, those features which you don't name, are those you 'll obviously be missing |
| 12:50.37 | ViZ | Bushmills: sorry, i'm just trying to pick a distro to start off with, and while trying out Debian i really liked it, but i wanted to know what else is out there |
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| 12:51.39 | Bushmills | ViZ: do you have an x86 cpu? |
| 12:51.40 | ViZ | Bushmills: yes |
| 12:51.44 | Bushmills | so what features does that one miss, compared to, say, a mips cpu? |
| 12:53.03 | ViZ | Bushmills, like i said i was just asking as i have no idea, i'm coming from windows |
| 12:53.17 | Bushmills | i was also just asking :) |
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| 12:56.24 | shecki | hi, i'm planning to update my samba from lenny (3.2.5) to squeeze (3.4.8). Has anybody done the same and can tell me if i have to expect greater problems? |
| 12:56.44 | abrotman | is it a production server? why are you upgrading to squeeze? |
| 12:57.16 | shecki | because of window 7 support |
| 12:57.16 | shecki | and yes it's productive |
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| 12:57.27 | abrotman | shecki: have you checked the samba version at backports.org first? |
| 12:57.35 | abrotman | is it the PDC or just a fileserver? |
| 12:57.54 | abrotman | shecki: i'd very much recommend testing on a non-production system |
| 12:57.55 | shecki | both, PDC and fileserver |
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| 12:59.17 | abrotman | shecki: i've been exploring the same type of thing here, and i realized that mucking with a production machine while trying to get everythign fuctional was not a good plan (in my case it was a lightly used fileserver, but still) |
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| 12:59.37 | shecki | yeah, luckily it's an VM so i could copy it away before updating |
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| 13:00.23 | jordanm | aka a backup.... |
| 13:00.28 | shecki | but changes in default values in the config provided us some problems on earlier updates |
| 13:01.02 | shecki | so i wanted to knwo if someone has done it without greater problems, so that i perhaps could avouid setting up a testing environment |
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| 13:01.47 | jordanm | random people on IRC should not prevent you from setting up a proper testing location... unless you like risks I supposse |
| 13:02.59 | shecki | no risk no fun ;) |
| 13:03.38 | shecki | it's a question of time and with the first windows 7 machines standing beside me and having problems with getting them in the domain... |
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| 13:04.39 | lgghj | hello guys I have tried to fix a sftp server build on ssh and then connect from a client. And it works if, but don't work when I'm trying the public/private key feature for connecting with an automatic script |
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| 13:05.12 | lgghj | these were the two manuals I used, http://blog.markvdb.be/2009/01/sftp-on-ubuntu-and-debian-in-9-easy.html |
| 13:05.13 | lgghj | http://ask-leo.com/how_can_i_automate_an_sftp_transfer_between_two_servers.html |
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| 13:05.35 | TheAncientGoat | Hey guys, is there a torrent for debian testing? |
| 13:05.46 | lgghj | can you guys see any problem crossing these two features? |
| 13:05.58 | TheAncientGoat | The ftp/http mirrors keep on failing :\ |
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| 13:07.38 | jordanm | lgghj: http://sial.org/howto/openssh/publickey-auth/ |
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| 13:09.10 | mguy | TheAncientGoat: Does your client support resuming downloads? |
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| 13:09.52 | S_sun | is dsqueeze frozen yet |
| 13:10.03 | TheAncientGoat | mguy: I thought so, but it seems like it doesnt :\ |
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| 13:11.26 | lgghj | jordanm: this first link I gave which I created my configuration for SFTP did do some changes to the configuration, wonder if that was ok if you would want public/private key on it |
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| 13:12.15 | vlt | Hello. I can mkfs.ext4 in lenny but not mount it, is this correct? |
| 13:13.12 | JyZyXEL | what was the name of the tool that can be used to manage runlevels? |
| 13:13.17 | jordanm | vlt: should be able to mount it, but the drivers are developmental. you should use the kernel from backports for working with ext4 |
| 13:13.24 | jordanm | JyZyXEL: sysv-rc-conf |
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| 13:14.48 | vlt | jordanm: Ok, thank you. |
| 13:15.00 | JyZyXEL | hmm there was another one too |
| 13:15.29 | jordanm | JyZyXEL: update-rc.d but it is not intended to be used by end users (according to the manpage, which recommended sysv-rc-conf) |
| 13:15.32 | lgghj | can I have a link for creating SFTP with public/private key authentication? |
| 13:15.53 | JyZyXEL | ncurses based |
| 13:15.59 | jordanm | lgghj: I linked you to the official fdocumentation for openssh public key auth. |
| 13:16.02 | telmich | lgghj: it's just ssh, man ssh |
| 13:16.08 | wols_ | JyZyXEL: rcconf IIRC |
| 13:16.20 | JyZyXEL | thats it! |
| 13:16.23 | jordanm | JyZyXEL: sysv-rc-conf is ncurses based... there is sysvconfig but I don't think that it is |
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| 13:19.59 | antgel | since moving to squeeze, my mouse cursor in xorg starts to flicker after a couple of seconds then disappears. i'm assuming this is not a feature. any clues how to debug? xorg is using the intel driver |
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| 13:20.29 | antgel | my xorg.conf is pretty much bare \o/ |
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| 13:20.58 | JyZyXEL | i had my mouse cursor once turn into a big block full of random colored pixels |
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| 13:22.23 | antgel | i think that was something to do with sw vs hw cursor back in the day |
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| 13:23.14 | Stummi | can somebody recommend me a guide how to create a own apt-repository on debian lenny? I found http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/286 but it seems to be older, so I am not sure if this still works |
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| 13:25.11 | jordanm | Stummi: still valid. |
| 13:25.17 | the_lord | Hi, is there a easy way of making python2.6 the main python version on lenny ? |
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| 13:25.42 | jordanm | the_lord: impossible without breaking tons of stuff |
| 13:25.44 | wols_ | the_lord: no |
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| 13:26.09 | Stummi | jordanm, ok thanks. I Compared this tutorial with the current official repository to check that, but there are no such "conf/distributions"-files, so i thought the system may changed in the times |
| 13:26.16 | bracki | Is there a way to find out which debs have NOT been installed via apt-get? |
| 13:26.34 | the_lord | that makes debian ineligible for my server's then, I need python 2.6 |
| 13:26.48 | the_lord | don't let me go with ubuntu |
| 13:26.55 | ||cw | bracki: aptitude show them as local |
| 13:26.57 | wols_ | the_lord: we don't care |
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| 13:27.04 | jordanm | the_lord: really... |
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| 13:27.19 | ||cw | is 2.6 the default on sid? |
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| 13:27.32 | PerfDave | the_lord: Why do you need python 2.6? The version in Debian stable has been tested to integrate well with the rest of the system. |
| 13:27.37 | jordanm | ||cw: no, its not |
| 13:27.38 | PerfDave | ||cw: /msg dpkg search |
| 13:27.39 | mguy | the_lord: Can't you just remove it and install 2.6 from source? |
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| 13:27.58 | wols_ | jordanm: gosh, the_lord uses another linux distro! debian might miss its quarter profit predictions and we our bonuses! oh noes! the sky is falling! |
| 13:27.59 | jordanm | PerfDave: likely some bleeding-edge web application that they just finished developing yesterday |
| 13:28.19 | jordanm | wols_: but.... my bonus!! |
| 13:28.20 | the_lord | PerfDave, I'll be running a web app built with django, and it uses things in 2.6 |
| 13:28.46 | PerfDave | the_lord: Debian stable contains django packages... |
| 13:28.57 | the_lord | mguy, I have no problem with that, but then I would have to install everything without aptitude, I think |
| 13:29.03 | wols_ | the_lord: use virtualenv |
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| 13:29.58 | jordanm | the_lord: regardless if your app requires 2.6 or not, it _would not_ require it to be the default python for the system |
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| 13:30.51 | wols_ | where are the hotkeys for virtual terminals defined? The ctrl+alt+Fx ones. And how can I change them? |
| 13:31.19 | jordanm | wols_: did grub2 break it? |
| 13:31.19 | the_lord | jordanm, I know, but if I'm going to compile everything to make a virtualenv, I stick with gentoo |
| 13:31.43 | jordanm | the_lord: yeah, because if you have to manually manage a handful of packages, why not all of them? |
| 13:31.46 | wols_ | jordanm: no. I might want to break it myself. totally grub unrelated |
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| 13:32.05 | jordanm | wols_: my wild guess is initscripts |
| 13:32.16 | the_lord | PerfDave, python-django in debian-stable is in 1.0 |
| 13:32.53 | wols_ | jordanm: I doubt initscripts do systemwide hotkeys :) it might even be a kernel issue since the vty are kernel's |
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| 13:33.36 | jordanm | wols_: but doesn't initscripts manage which of those vty's are used? |
| 13:33.42 | wols_ | PerfDave: in the web 2.0 world, the age of Lenny and the introduction of Cobol basically happened at the same time from their point of view |
| 13:33.50 | wols_ | jordanm: inittab does, yes |
| 13:34.10 | wols_ | at least that's my understanding |
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| 13:34.17 | Elephantman | hi :) any clue why I get this error while running 'top' command (libncurses5 is installed) ? error while loading shared libraries: libncurses.so.4: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 13:34.26 | PerfDave | the_lord: Oh noes, a stable version of something ;) |
| 13:34.51 | PerfDave | wols_: Yeah, NIB Syndrome is rife among web developers. I mean, using Python for web apps... sheesh |
| 13:34.53 | jordanm | its not like certain commercial "enterprise" distros offer python 2.6 as default either |
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| 13:37.50 | ||cw | "stable" is a moving target |
| 13:38.07 | jordanm | Elephantman: pastebin: apt-cache policy top libncurses5 |
| 13:38.20 | jordanm | ||cw: stable is the opposite of a moving target |
| 13:38.34 | jordanm | !tell ||cw about stable |
| 13:38.40 | jordanm | !tell ||cw about moving target |
| 13:39.03 | ||cw | I'm a believer that old "stable" stuff at some point moves to "unstable" again do to age and compatibility with what's on the other end of the tcp connection |
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| 13:39.28 | abrotman | stable is moving ? |
| 13:39.31 | ||cw | jordanm: yeah yeah i know the "the line", that's not what I'm mtalking about |
| 13:39.54 | jordanm | he is saying that because stable stands still while the rest of the world moves, that somehow makes stable move? |
| 13:40.21 | ||cw | in a closed system, stable is stable. the world doens't work in a closed system though |
| 13:40.46 | ||cw | so as other think go forward, the old stuff becomes unstable when working with the new stuff |
| 13:40.57 | Elephantman | jordanm: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/218049/ |
| 13:40.59 | abrotman | it's a closed system .. there is no new stuff |
| 13:41.05 | terron | When I run htop 0.8.3 and press f2 (setup), f3 (search) or f4 (invert), it jumps to the kernel thread "async/mgr" instead of doing what it's supposed to do. I've attempted purging and reinstalling, but to no avail. Any ideas? |
| 13:41.37 | ||cw | I dont' care how many security patches you make to firefox 3.0, at some point it's going to act unstable because users want new features to work |
| 13:41.45 | ||cw | and they won't, and that is seen as unstable |
| 13:41.53 | abrotman | or you mean it won't work? |
| 13:42.02 | ||cw | or the will work partially |
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| 13:42.15 | abrotman | if the browser doesn't support a feature, it won't be buggy, it'll just be non-functional |
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| 13:42.24 | electronplusplu | hi |
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| 13:42.34 | ||cw | oh but html is more flexible than that |
| 13:42.40 | ||cw | it'll work partially |
| 13:42.50 | ||cw | and then appear buggy |
| 13:42.56 | abrotman | ||cw: so the last HTML standard change was? 2001? |
| 13:43.03 | electronplusplu | Java sockets, any master of it here? |
| 13:43.10 | abrotman | electronplusplu: ##java |
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| 13:43.33 | abrotman | oh, no, HTML 4.0.1 is from 1999 |
| 13:43.56 | abrotman | erm, 4.01 .. whatever it is |
| 13:43.58 | \amethyst | abrotman: XHTML 1.1 is from 2001 |
| 13:44.12 | andatche | is a 32bit process running atop a 64bit kernel still limited to 3GB of addressable memory? |
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| 13:44.16 | abrotman | \amethyst: he said HTML? I know XHTML is more recent, but mostly it's just more strict |
| 13:44.24 | jelly | andatche: yes. |
| 13:44.27 | abrotman | andatche: IIRC yes |
| 13:44.32 | andatche | thanks guys :) |
| 13:44.33 | ||cw | so why doens't facebook work on firefox 2? |
| 13:44.49 | ||cw | that's released after 1999 |
| 13:45.01 | zrin | is there an (easy) way to connect to serial port over network? |
| 13:45.09 | abrotman | ||cw: i haven't tried it, what doesn't work? |
| 13:45.16 | ||cw | abrotman: the login screen |
| 13:45.21 | jordanm | Elephantman: sorry, procps instead of "top" on that command |
| 13:45.30 | abrotman | ||cw: and what about it does not work? |
| 13:45.30 | jordanm | !tell Elephantman about localized errors |
| 13:45.40 | ||cw | abrotman: you don't get one |
| 13:45.43 | jordanm | Elephantman: also, see your PM from dpkg about producing errors in english |
| 13:45.51 | abrotman | ||cw: are you sure that's an HTML issue, and not something else? |
| 13:46.03 | zrin | i mean share serial port on one machine and connect a virtual serial port on another |
| 13:46.03 | ||cw | it works on all other browses i have access to |
| 13:46.05 | Bushmills | there is ser2net, maybe that's an option |
| 13:46.12 | ||cw | which are all newer |
| 13:46.18 | abrotman | really doesn't want to have to setup etch with X to find out :) |
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| 13:46.29 | ||cw | and not just that |
| 13:46.31 | Bushmills | and ppp does that essentially too |
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| 13:46.37 | icebrain | javascript, probably |
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| 13:46.56 | Bushmills | oh. not net over serial, but serial over net .. |
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| 13:47.30 | Elephantman | jordanm: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/218055/ |
| 13:47.53 | PerfDave | ||cw: Because Facebook is a horribly-written website that doesn't degrade gracefully :) |
| 13:47.58 | ||cw | zrin: if it's llinux on both side you might be able to simply pipe it over netcat, if security isn't an issue |
| 13:48.24 | ||cw | PerfDave: but html4 was released in 1999, what's to degrade? |
| 13:48.29 | zrin | ||cw: yes, linux on both sides, would control lines work? |
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| 13:48.35 | PerfDave | ||cw: Try m.facebook.com |
| 13:48.57 | ||cw | PerfDave: that's not really the point |
| 13:49.03 | abrotman | ||cw: or it's using CSS3 maybe? |
| 13:49.07 | ||cw | ok here's another example |
| 13:49.09 | jordanm | Elephantman: ls -l /lib/libncurses.so*; does your file exist? |
| 13:49.12 | abrotman | there is a crapton of CSS includes |
| 13:49.20 | ||cw | abrotman: that's more the point. |
| 13:49.51 | abrotman | right .. chicken/egg |
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| 13:50.01 | jelly | ||cw: there's no supported Debian release with firefox 2 anyway |
| 13:50.07 | ||cw | you HAVE TO add new features at some point. if you wait too long, your system is deemed as not useful, which not unlike being unstable |
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| 13:50.23 | jelly | ,versions iceweasel |
| 13:50.23 | judd | iceweasel -- etch: 2.0.0.19-0etch1; etch-security: 2.0.0.19-0etch1; lenny: 3.0.6-3; lenny-security: 3.0.6-3; lenny-backports: 3.5.8-1~bpo50+2; sid: 3.5.9-3; squeeze: 3.5.9-3; experimental: 3.6.4~build2-1 |
| 13:50.27 | kompulsive_ | good moooooarning debian! |
| 13:50.36 | PerfDave | ||cw: Except it's completely unlike being unstable. And is entirely subjective. |
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| 13:50.45 | jordanm | ||cw: we still have plenty of 2.4 servers at my work. plenty useful |
| 13:50.47 | abrotman | ||cw: you don't have to add support for anything .. that's voluntary for anyone |
| 13:51.03 | ||cw | PerfDave: features not degrading cleanly is unstable behavior |
| 13:51.07 | jelly | how is this a Debian issue anyway? |
| 13:51.14 | PerfDave | ||cw: That's the fault of Facebook, not Iceweasel :) |
| 13:51.16 | abrotman | he's whining that stable is useless |
| 13:51.19 | \amethyst | jelly: he wants Lenny to have the latest software |
| 13:51.28 | \amethyst | jelly: at least the latest web browsers |
| 13:51.33 | jelly | lenny has iceweasel 3, not 2 |
| 13:51.35 | \amethyst | without having to use backports |
| 13:51.38 | PerfDave | goes back to browsign Facebook using the Debian Stable-released Iceweasel |
| 13:51.43 | Elephantman | jordanm: it does, and points to libncurses5 through symlinks |
| 13:51.52 | ||cw | no, i', saying stable is a moving target in a heterogeneous environment |
| 13:52.02 | abrotman | it is not |
| 13:52.06 | \amethyst | that's why there's a new release every once in a while |
| 13:52.08 | jelly | ||cw: it's an exceedingly static target, if anything |
| 13:52.16 | ||cw | here's another example, totaly outside of debian |
| 13:52.19 | PerfDave | No, the rest of the world is a moving target, stable isn't :) |
| 13:52.25 | abrotman | mmm .. yay now it goes OT :) |
| 13:52.54 | jordanm | Elephantman: normally I would recommend a bug report or checking the BTS, but your release is no longer supported |
| 13:53.19 | jelly | ||cw: use the distro as a good starting point to make a usable system. If you have to, you're able to use additional software |
| 13:53.23 | ||cw | Firefox has declared 3.6 stable. VMWare's web access console plugin on thier stable products don't work with firefox 3.6. depending on your point of view and which project you like better, one or the other is now unstable |
| 13:53.37 | Elephantman | jordanm: would you recommend upgrading to lenny ? |
| 13:53.55 | jelly | ||cw: so install mozilla's firefox 3.6 |
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| 13:54.02 | ||cw | yet both are stable releases |
| 13:54.06 | abrotman | ||cw: non-functional is not the same as unstable |
| 13:54.14 | icebrain | ||cw: stable doesn't mean bugless - it means it won't have more bugs |
| 13:54.20 | ||cw | abrotman: ah but it's only partially non-functional |
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| 13:54.23 | wols_ | ||cw: you must be very very new to software |
| 13:54.25 | abrotman | ||cw: and considering that FF is not yet forcing the 3.6.x upgrades, not sure that's considered 'stable' |
| 13:54.31 | jelly | ||cw: to use my vmware, I have to use a windows only client! Is it Debian's fault as well? |
| 13:54.32 | jordanm | Elephantman: unrelated to this issues, yes |
| 13:54.37 | jordanm | !tell Elephantman about etch->lenny |
| 13:54.39 | abrotman | ||cw: only if you lie to FF, otherwise it is 100% non-functional |
| 13:54.43 | ||cw | abrotman: actually, on windows it is |
| 13:54.55 | PerfDave | Debian is unstable because I need to use a replacement hinge to fix my futon. |
| 13:54.58 | abrotman | ||cw: no, it's not, we use it here, It hasn't forced the upgrades yet |
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| 13:55.08 | JyZyXEL | was it 3.6 that added somekind of sandbox for plugins like flash? |
| 13:55.12 | ||cw | jelly: I just said this was a non-debain example |
| 13:55.18 | wols_ | JyZyXEL: no |
| 13:55.29 | abrotman | JyZyXEL: it changed a bunch of stuff regarding SSL and the plugins .. and it broke vmware |
| 13:56.02 | ||cw | JyZyXEL: complete disabled binary exec |
| 13:56.02 | ||cw | installing the plugin on linux doens't set the executable bit |
| 13:56.03 | ||cw | and on windows, it just refuses to run it |
| 13:56.28 | ||cw | you can mark the binaries +x and the linux version will work just fine |
| 13:56.28 | PerfDave | This is what people get for faffing around with proprietary software like VMWare ;) |
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| 13:57.23 | g0rd0n | is it possible to install ubuntu 10.04 as a guest vserver on a host debian lenny machine? |
| 13:57.35 | ||cw | g0rd0n: sure |
| 13:57.49 | jelly | g0rd0n: it's probably a Try-It-And-See situation |
| 13:57.54 | ||cw | that's the whole point of virtualization |
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| 13:59.52 | g0rd0n | problem is, with the command i know i can just specify the debian distro to create... so i dont really now how to tell newvserver to get ubuntu |
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| 14:00.01 | g0rd0n | i usually do --dist lenny |
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| 14:00.15 | Hideme | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:01.55 | jelly | g0rd0n: you're going to have to investigate what the command does, where it reads what "lenny" is from, and adapt the configuration to bootstrap lucid |
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| 14:02.29 | g0rd0n | hmmm oh well i guess i will just install debian squeeze |
| 14:02.32 | g0rd0n | out of lazyness |
| 14:02.43 | g0rd0n | will need that vm for about 5 weeks and kill it afterwards anyway |
| 14:03.11 | ||cw | Hideme: tried writing zero's to the disks first? first few megs is usually enough that seems to fix most lvm issues |
| 14:04.03 | wols_ | Boing: private messaging is a very very bad idea |
| 14:04.45 | wols_ | Boing: can you ping 8.8.8.8 ? |
| 14:04.51 | jordanm | jelly takes PM's at a modest hourly rate! |
| 14:05.36 | lamah | u will be judge by americans laws and by the god! haha |
| 14:06.06 | wols_ | as long as it isn't the american god that does the judging... |
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| 14:07.29 | Hideme | ||cw: The disk already has a volume on it and I'm just trying to create another. Don't want to wipe anything. |
| 14:07.32 | jelly | jordanm: yes he does! |
| 14:07.58 | jelly | payable via moneybookers.com, though, .hr doesn't like Paypal |
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| 14:08.58 | Boing | no wont work @wols_ |
| 14:09.31 | Boing | can only ping local network from eth0 |
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| 14:09.52 | jordanm | Boing: likely an issue with your default route |
| 14:09.55 | Swizzy | anyone here have experience with torrentflux? |
| 14:10.24 | jordanm | !anyone |
| 14:10.24 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 14:10.25 | Boing | jordanm how can i change it ? |
| 14:10.47 | jordanm | Boing: netstat -rn; what is it currently? |
| 14:11.25 | Swizzy | i have an issue with torrentflux, when i try to start more then one torrent at the same time it just fails, doesn't matter if it should upload or download |
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| 14:12.29 | Boing | gateway 0.0.0.0 |
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| 14:14.02 | cognitiaclaeves | Is there a way to get verbose logging from a Debian NTP server ( Such as what information is being requested of it and what it provides to which IP ? ) |
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| 14:16.47 | Boing | popcon default route |
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| 14:19.10 | ||cw | Boing: wait, your gateway is set to 0.0.0.0? |
| 14:19.26 | the-dude | cognitiaclaeves: which ntp server? |
| 14:19.50 | cognitiaclaeves | the-dude: ntpd on debian lenny |
| 14:20.15 | the-dude | cognitiaclaeves: did you read the manpage? |
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| 14:20.39 | cognitiaclaeves | I scanned it. I'll try again. |
| 14:20.46 | Boing | yes ||cw |
| 14:20.47 | the-dude | it has a debug mode |
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| 14:22.07 | ||cw | Boing: that would be a problem... put your router in there |
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| 14:23.01 | ||cw | Boing: didn't someone already ask you not use /msg? |
| 14:23.04 | Raydiation | how does it take for a package to get into lenny backports? |
| 14:23.10 | Raydiation | im waiting for django 1.2 |
| 14:23.14 | ||cw | Boing: how did it get there... |
| 14:23.32 | Boing | but why not use /msg ? |
| 14:23.45 | ||cw | because this is not one on one personal supprot |
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| 14:23.57 | Boing | ok |
| 14:24.03 | ||cw | if I tell you something wrong, someone else can correct it |
| 14:24.20 | Boing | ok understand :) |
| 14:24.41 | ||cw | so how did the zero's get there? |
| 14:24.45 | ||cw | are you using dhcp? |
| 14:25.34 | Boing | yes |
| 14:25.41 | Boing | dhcp in use |
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| 14:26.14 | ||cw | then fix your dhcp server |
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| 14:26.58 | PerfDave | Raydiation: Ask the people who run it ;) |
| 14:27.15 | Raydiation | PerfDave: ? |
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| 14:28.01 | PerfDave | Raydiation: http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=faq |
| 14:28.21 | Raydiation | PerfDave: ah ty |
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| 14:28.47 | Heyoka | holas |
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| 14:29.22 | rethus | can someone send me the ports.conf from apache2 ? i delete it and need it now |
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| 14:30.05 | cognitiaclaeves | the-dude: It looks like the debug command puts ntpd in a non-daemon state. I was looking for verbose logging while it ran as a daemon for auditing purposes. |
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| 14:34.08 | the-dude | cognitiaclaeves: thats nog enough information? |
| 14:35.03 | rethus | can someone send me the ports.conf from apache2 ? i delete it and need it now |
| 14:35.24 | ||cw | cognitiaclaeves: run it in a screen? |
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| 14:35.30 | cognitiaclaeves | the-dude: Not sure what you mean by the question. I wanted ntpd to run normally as a daemon and do the logging. |
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| 14:48.20 | the-dude | cognitiaclaeves: check daemon.log in /var/log |
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| 14:57.34 | cognitiaclaeves | the-dude: Ok, we'll do that. Thanks. |
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| 15:06.12 | Boing | wols ping 8.8.8.8 now working but ping google.com wont work at time |
| 15:06.22 | jordanm | Boing: check /etc/resolv.conf |
| 15:07.18 | Boing | ok jordanm nameserver change are changeing DNS ? |
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| 15:08.26 | vallhalla | hello all |
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| 15:16.51 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 15:16.51 | dpkg | <jm_> is your networking working? do you have non-free in sources.list? <sassi2> ofc my network is working and non-free should not be in my list since i dont want to pay right |
| 15:17.43 | Rienzilla | :) |
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| 15:19.08 | Boing | i think i need an dns server for my linux |
| 15:19.26 | wols_ | no you don't |
| 15:19.40 | wols_ | you can use dnsmasq but you don't need it |
| 15:19.41 | liable | well, he does |
| 15:19.54 | liable | not to *run* one though :) |
| 15:19.57 | Boing | i can connect to internet if i change dns on laptop to 8.8.8.8 |
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| 15:20.11 | Boing | with debian |
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| 15:20.40 | jordanm | Boing: usually your router runs some kind of forwarder. try changing it to point to your gateway |
| 15:22.24 | dutchfish | hi, i am almost to upgrade my debian squeeze/amd64 but dash has #582952, what would be the best solution at the moment for me, hold the old one? thanks for input. |
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| 15:25.00 | ||cw | Boing: what are you using for dhcp? it should really take care of all of this for you |
| 15:25.28 | Rienzilla | hmmmz |
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| 15:27.15 | jelly | dutchfish: are you building lots of packages? Is your /bin/sh -> dash? |
| 15:27.31 | ||cw | stabs dash |
| 15:27.56 | dutchfish | jelly: yes, yes |
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| 15:28.30 | jelly | dutchfish: well point it back to bash ;-) |
| 15:28.58 | dutchfish | jelly: so upgrade dash and use bash as /bin/sh ? |
| 15:29.06 | jelly | sure |
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| 15:29.36 | jelly | has had /bin/sh -> dash since like 2002 |
| 15:29.45 | dutchfish | jelly: mm... i do not like this ... |
| 15:29.54 | dutchfish | jelly: me too |
| 15:30.14 | dutchfish | jelly: not exactly 2002 but for a long time |
| 15:30.30 | Boing | it works |
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| 15:31.26 | adv_ | how can i kill my screen instance? |
| 15:31.26 | Boing | i did install ipmasq |
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| 15:32.59 | wols_ | Boing: install dnsmasq and let it assing IPs to your client(s). man dnsmasq.conf for example. the file itself is almost self explanatory |
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| 15:33.17 | wols_ | hmm. no manpage for it. then just look at /etc/dnsmasq.conf |
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| 15:36.16 | ||cw | wols_: given the questions he been asking, I'm not it's a good idea to suggest that just yet |
| 15:36.32 | ||cw | Boing: what's currently doing your DHCP? |
| 15:36.37 | ||cw | you never did answer |
| 15:37.34 | ||cw | Boing: you keep coming up with new questions without sharing what you actually did to move past the last one, this makes it very hard to provide relevant help |
| 15:38.42 | wols_ | not to mention he takes ages to answer which makes me think he uses more than one linux channel for asking |
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| 15:38.51 | wols_ | I better stop worrying about him |
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| 15:41.20 | Boing | sorry cw |
| 15:42.06 | Boing | but i did try somethings to route eth1 to eth0 and it want never work i try something whats written here and then try this |
| 15:42.14 | ||cw | uh |
| 15:42.24 | Boing | now i use dnsmasq & nat masquerade |
| 15:42.29 | Boing | and now it works |
| 15:42.29 | ||cw | "route" applies it tcp/ip, eth0 and eth1 and network interfaces |
| 15:42.32 | Boing | why i dont know |
| 15:42.33 | ||cw | this doens't apply |
| 15:42.36 | Boing | i am beginner |
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| 15:42.55 | jordanm | Boing: dnsmasq and nat masquerade would only be if you plan to use your debian _as_ a router |
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| 15:43.42 | wols_ | Boing: there is a #debian.de |
| 15:44.01 | Boing | ok jordanm thats not sad so long it will works on my debian |
| 15:44.37 | Boing | wols thank you :) |
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| 15:45.19 | Boing | but our help was helpfull then now it work internet access over eth1 with dnsmasq |
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| 15:46.20 | Boing | so i say thanks again here |
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| 15:49.43 | ||cw | o_O |
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| 15:52.22 | ||cw | grr... you recall my "stable is a moving target" argument? well, lenny's tightvnc version has a nice bug that was fixed 3 YEARS ago upstream and is still a problem. too old to be stable. |
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| 15:52.32 | lindi- | ||cw: i'm a regular vnc user, which bug nymber is it? |
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| 15:52.39 | ||cw | https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1172380&group_id=14067&atid=114067 |
| 15:52.47 | ||cw | I haven't looked for a debian one |
| 15:53.01 | ||cw | or yet tried a newer vnc to verify |
| 15:53.43 | lindi- | ||cw: i use xvnc4viewer though |
| 15:53.49 | ||cw | it's only in the java view which most people don't touch, but it's somewhat required for proxmox |
| 15:54.01 | icebrain | you're confusing stability with correctness, though |
| 15:54.28 | ||cw | well, I'm confusing upstream stable releases with distro stable releases |
| 15:54.36 | lindi- | ||cw: ah, it only very recently started to work with free software |
| 15:55.04 | ||cw | upstream has abandoned the specific version because it's not considered stable any more |
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| 15:55.44 | lindi- | ||cw: you might want to help with guacamole, a html5 vnc viewer |
| 15:55.53 | karme | ,(dict "stable") |
| 15:56.18 | icebrain | ||cw: that bug may be fixed in upstream, but do you know what bugs has that fix introduced? No, you don't. Lenny's version may have bugs, but they're more likely known and documented |
| 15:56.21 | karme | ups |
| 15:56.32 | ||cw | lindi-: that sounds awesome... |
| 15:57.08 | ||cw | icebrain: you know, if it was 6 months, I might fully agree with you. but 3 years? |
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| 15:57.42 | ||cw | karme: i'm aware of the official text on stable |
| 15:57.46 | lindi- | ||cw: has upstream released a fixed version? |
| 15:57.48 | ||cw | I simply don't agree with it |
| 15:57.53 | ||cw | 3 years is too long |
| 15:58.06 | jelly | ||cw: well. Ranting on this channel won't fix the systemic issue |
| 15:58.25 | ||cw | jelly: true, but it makes me feel better :P |
| 15:58.26 | icebrain | ||cw: then upgrade - do a backport or so. You'll trade stability by bug fixes (and probably newer bugs) |
| 15:58.55 | lindi- | ||cw: lenny seems to have xtightvncviewer 1.3.9 |
| 15:59.03 | karme | ||cw: was an accident |
| 15:59.04 | lindi- | ||cw: according to upstream that should be fixed version |
| 15:59.45 | ||cw | lindi-: but tightvnc-java 1.2.7-6 |
| 15:59.51 | jelly | ||cw: it also makes me want to do explicable and violent things to you, because it's not visible you're actually trying to solve your problem |
| 15:59.59 | lindi- | ||cw: but that's not in debian |
| 16:00.02 | jelly | inexplicable*, sorry |
| 16:00.06 | lindi- | ||cw: (contrib is not part of debian) |
| 16:00.18 | jelly | lindi-: contrib is; non-free isn't |
| 16:00.24 | lindi- | jelly: contrib isn't |
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| 16:00.26 | ||cw | point taken |
| 16:00.52 | lindi- | jelly: 'The official Debian distribution is what is contained in the main section of the Debian archive.' -- http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages |
| 16:00.55 | Computer | it looks like postfix has filled my /var partition |
| 16:01.09 | jelly | lindi-: right! my bad |
| 16:01.28 | Computer | /var/spool/postfix/active is 105M and /var/spool/postfix/incomming is 391M |
| 16:01.33 | Computer | then the partition is full |
| 16:01.39 | Bushmills | Computer: implement better spam testing |
| 16:01.44 | Computer | you think its spam? |
| 16:01.58 | lindi- | ||cw: however, you can still report a bug against that package |
| 16:02.03 | Bushmills | maybe you really one a few million dollars in the internet lottery |
| 16:02.08 | Bushmills | won |
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| 16:02.22 | lindi- | ||cw: maybe it could be included in debian nowadays thanks to openjdk |
| 16:02.23 | jordanm | 500mb is not a lot of email |
| 16:02.40 | jordanm | and not a lot of space to allocate for your email... |
| 16:02.48 | Computer | should it be removing the stuff in /var/spool? |
| 16:02.49 | Computer | i don't know how postfix works |
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| 16:03.04 | Bushmills | there are docs, you know? |
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| 16:03.20 | Computer | or does it just store all the email in there until its deleted |
| 16:03.20 | Bushmills | those have the potential to increase knowledge of program workings |
| 16:03.31 | nvahalik | Has anyone had any experience with building unixODBC 2.3 .debs? |
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| 16:03.48 | wols_ | !tell nvahalik about anyone |
| 16:03.52 | jelly | Computer: read the documentation (http://postfix.org/), inspect your logs (/var/log/mail.log); take a look at the mail queue (mailq command) |
| 16:04.14 | Bushmills | nvahalik: yes. the delopers of unixODBC do |
| 16:04.22 | djura-san | bais people :) |
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| 16:04.26 | jordanm | does postfix even deliver to /var/spool/mail by default in debian? I thought it ran in a chroot |
| 16:04.34 | wols_ | Computer: how did you set up your mail in the first place? I mean postfix doesn't install by itself, you made a concious decision to use it |
| 16:04.36 | nvahalik | Bushmills: Do they share them? |
| 16:04.41 | Bushmills | nvahalik: ask them |
| 16:04.45 | jelly | Computer: /var/spool/postfix is the place where the mail queue is stored; it's only there temporarily |
| 16:04.52 | wols_ | jordanm: it does |
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| 16:05.08 | jordanm | wols_: so is it actually delivering mail outside of its chroot? |
| 16:05.11 | Computer | wols_: i probably set it up through aptitude and used whatever automatic configuration as i was setting up a Drupal email module |
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| 16:05.50 | jelly | jordanm: it works as expected from any MTA, so yes, it delivers mail to user's inboxes even when they're in /var/mail |
| 16:05.58 | wols_ | jordanm: read master.cf. you can chroot various pieces of postfix. it's modular |
| 16:06.38 | jelly | jordanm: not delivering mail to users would make it somewhat less useful |
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| 16:06.55 | wols_ | jelly: it would help me with spam tremendously tho |
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| 16:07.16 | jordanm | doesn't want to learn a 3rd MTA, his head is already going to expload from what has been said |
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| 16:07.57 | wols_ | cool, a jordanm grenade! |
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| 16:08.37 | jelly | jordanm: if you use postfix, you can forget anything else! |
| 16:08.54 | jelly | I'm forgetting qmail as we speak |
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| 16:10.49 | qabulin | okay... so i think i b0rked something: last night i had to delete about 100 users... so i used Vim and edited passwd, group, and shadow. NOW, things are "weird" and adduser picks a different UID than useradd. Any thinkers?? |
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| 16:11.17 | qabulin | there is also a glitch now with adding samba users :( |
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| 16:12.52 | jelly | qabulin: make sure the lines in passwd and shadow match (ie. line 103 in passwd should be the same user as line 103 in shadow) |
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| 16:12.58 | frostschutz | qabulin: usually you shouldn't edit these files directly, but use the deluser etc. commands |
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| 16:13.17 | qabulin | jelly: ill check that. |
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| 16:13.32 | qabulin | frostschutz: i know! i was being lazy... :( |
| 16:13.33 | jelly | qabulin: simplest thing to do: restore the files from backup, and delete users again, using proper commands |
| 16:13.41 | qabulin | frostschutz: should have made a script |
| 16:14.19 | frostschutz | qabulin: especially with this new pam stuff it can become really ugly real quick :) |
| 16:14.27 | qabulin | jelly: ill probably just to that... i was opening to learn from this and decypher how exactly this error occurs. |
| 16:14.33 | qabulin | >_< |
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| 16:15.13 | qabulin | yeah... "real quick" turned into "notsomuch" |
| 16:15.15 | jelly | qabulin: also, gshadow? |
| 16:15.26 | qabulin | no. |
| 16:16.04 | qabulin | i should have ran a script... there were a lot of users to eject. |
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| 16:17.53 | ||cw | lindi-: FWIW, dropping a new jar file in fixed it |
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| 16:19.00 | funzi | hi all! do i need drivers for a hardware raid when installing a new OS? |
| 16:19.50 | jordanm | funzi: yes, but they would come with the kernel if supported |
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| 16:20.27 | jordanm | funzi: what kind of raid card do you have? |
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| 16:21.30 | ||cw | funzi: yeah everything needs drivers, they may or may not be included by default though |
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| 16:22.01 | arezey | hey - how does one turn on the laptop speaker? |
| 16:22.20 | jordanm | arezey: you mean the internal speaker? |
| 16:22.23 | arezey | yeah |
| 16:22.44 | jordanm | arezey: should be by default... modprobe pcspkr |
| 16:23.12 | arezey | no effect here |
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| 16:24.25 | jordanm | arezey: are you sure it has one? they are becomming increasingly less common |
| 16:25.11 | arezey | yeah |
| 16:25.19 | jordanm | arezey: does it beep after the POST? |
| 16:25.30 | arezey | the POST? |
| 16:25.48 | jordanm | does it beep within the first 15sec of powering the machine on? |
| 16:25.55 | arezey | hm no |
| 16:26.06 | jordanm | how do you know it has an internal pc speaker? |
| 16:26.23 | arezey | i recall gnome playing sounds through it in the past |
| 16:26.23 | funzi | jordanm: ||cw: thx! |
| 16:26.37 | arezey | ah well even if it has one it's probably broken |
| 16:27.19 | jordanm | arezey: I recall there being a way to get the pc speaker beep out of normal speakers via an alsa plugin |
| 16:28.10 | arezey | problem is that my normal speaker wire just broke |
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| 16:28.24 | arezey | which is why i'm trying to get some way of audio output.. |
| 16:28.52 | valdyn | jordanm: alsa has a driver to use the pc speaker like a soundcard |
| 16:29.16 | jordanm | valdyn: yeah, I was just reading the bug report where they descided to blacklist it by default |
| 16:29.46 | icebrain | wonders why anyone would want it - the first thing he does after installing $linux_distro is blacklisting pcspkr |
| 16:29.47 | valdyn | and that is snd-pcsp |
| 16:29.57 | valdyn | icebrain: thats something else |
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| 16:31.30 | slidesinger | I want alsa to figure out how to filter out cell phone interference. It ruins my music. |
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| 16:32.29 | slidesinger | My grandad says it sounds like the radio he used to listen to as a kid. |
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| 16:34.14 | vsmatck | The interference is probably happening after the signal has left your computer. If that is the case the problem wouldn't be within the scope of software. |
| 16:34.33 | valdyn | its probably all of that |
| 16:34.52 | macrobat | shield your wires? :) |
| 16:35.01 | valdyn | use 3G |
| 16:35.11 | valdyn | at least that does not cause interference for me |
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| 16:36.07 | olorin_ | slidesinger: Where does it actually appear? |
| 16:36.26 | olorin_ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferrite_bead |
| 16:36.30 | slidesinger | Speakers and headphones both. |
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| 16:38.54 | slidesinger | olorin_: I think I have a box full of those things somewhere. I was always putting them on analog phone and modem lines. Never thought of trying it on speaker wire. |
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| 16:41.10 | chomwitt | hi. in sqeeze in kde 4.3.4 i dont have a display setting in system settings |
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| 16:43.46 | olorin_ | slidesinger: See, keeping stuff can be handy. :-) |
| 16:44.04 | slidesinger | olorin_: yup |
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| 16:45.08 | slidesinger | olorin_: I need to go to the market for groceries, but I have some 9 year old fruit cake that eats just fine. |
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| 16:50.29 | frikinz | Hi guys. I've downloaded a source deb. Is it possible to use apt-get build-dep on a local extracted .deb ? Or anything to fetch all dependencies on a _local_ file. |
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| 16:52.20 | jordanm | frikinz: AFAIK, you would have to create a local repository and place it in that |
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| 16:58.07 | frikinz | jordanm, yes that's what I'll do. thanks. |
| 16:58.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | is there actually a text editor with working spell-checking - one that marks words while you write and can deal with multiple languages and umlauts? (x)emacs has flyspell, which I don't find very satisfying. The spell checking in iceweasel is quite nice... something comparable? And it should be a text editor, not something that deals with word documents or rtf etc. (i.e. something not as bloated as openoffice ... which doesn't seem to do in-text sp |
| 16:58.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | ell-checking anyway) |
| 16:58.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | too... long :) |
| 16:58.38 | jmd | Apparently the libgtk2.0-0-dbg package can display the source without me having to provide it. Does anyone know how to use this feature? |
| 16:59.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | eh? |
| 16:59.23 | jordanm | CutMeOwnThroat: doesn't iceweasel just use aspell? |
| 17:00.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | no idea what it uses... emacs uses aspell and fails with umlauts (iirc) I thought firefox uses some self-made thing |
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| 17:00.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | I just got a new plugin for ff "it's all text" which lets me edit the content of textboxes in an external editor... |
| 17:00.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | and now I notice - the textbox actually is superior :-/ |
| 17:01.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | jmd, did you check the files in /libgtk2.0-0-dbg: /usr/share/doc/libgtk2.0-0-dbg/? |
| 17:01.17 | frikinz | jmd, does this help? --> http://wiki.debian.org/HowToGetABacktrace |
| 17:01.33 | jmd | frikinz, No. I know how to get a backtrace. |
| 17:01.35 | jordanm | CutMeOwnThroat: I use "edit with emacs" chrome extension that sounds similar |
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| 17:01.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | pretty much :) |
| 17:02.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's neat (specially when FF crashes), but I feel I'm actually losing functionality |
| 17:02.25 | jordanm | CutMeOwnThroat: chrome does have a nice feature of being able to "expand" those textboxes |
| 17:02.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | I got a bookmarklet for that :) |
| 17:02.56 | frikinz | jmd this one is more a "meaningful backtrace" so including -dbg packages. The source is included in the binary. |
| 17:02.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | at least I got one for what I think you meant with "expand" |
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| 17:03.26 | frikinz | does plymouth work on debian? |
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| 17:03.33 | jordanm | CutMeOwnThroat: enlarge or shrink |
| 17:04.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, I got 4 bookmarklets (enlarge|shrink) (column|row) |
| 17:04.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | jordanm, this is for adding a column: javascript:(function(){var%20i,x;%20for(i=0;x=document.getElementsByTagName(%22textarea%22)[i];++i)%20x.cols%20+=%205;%20})() |
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| 17:04.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | jordanm, you just put this in a bookmark and use the bookmark while on a page... rather simple |
| 17:04.42 | jordanm | just clicks the corner of the box and drags |
| 17:05.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | well... that's easier, but I don't use that feature often anyway... |
| 17:05.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | and I got one plugin less for that :) |
| 17:06.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | ha, did you ever use "cream"? |
| 17:06.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, that's in testing/unstable |
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| 17:07.22 | jordanm | no, I haven't |
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| 17:08.28 | aguitel | how i find fastest mirror in my country ? |
| 17:08.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | I was going to try, but I'm on stable |
| 17:08.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | !sources.list |
| 17:08.47 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian lenny main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <lenny security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
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| 17:09.09 | PerfDave | aguitel: apt-spy |
| 17:09.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | aguitel, normally just using your country code is good enough, if you want _really_ find the fastest, use apt-spy |
| 17:09.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | but I don't think differences will be so big |
| 17:09.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | !apt-spy |
| 17:09.28 | dpkg | a secret! Shh! 'Mirror, mirror, on the wall... who is the fastest of them all?' Note that it will overwrite your sources.list when finished, so (1) cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.mybak (2) apt-get install apt-spy (3) apt-spy update; apt-spy -d [stable,testing,unstable] -a [Africa,Asia,Europe,North-America,Oceania,South-America] (4) fix your sources.list by adding back in any other mirrors you had been using. |
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| 17:10.17 | aguitel | CutMeOwnThroat,i know apt-spy ,but how use it for my country ? |
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| 17:10.30 | aguitel | CutMeOwnThroat, i am in argentina |
| 17:10.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | aguitel, just run it? |
| 17:11.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | aguitel, the way the factoid says? |
| 17:12.13 | aguitel | CutMeOwnThroat, how specific my country |
| 17:12.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | aguitel, did you read the factoid up there? You don't, you just give the continent... |
| 17:12.51 | aguitel | CutMeOwnThroat, ok |
| 17:13.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | "apt-spy update; apt-spy -d stable South-America" |
| 17:13.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | ops, forgot the -a there |
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| 17:13.35 | Z4ndX | Does any one know how my friend can see if his ip is banned from freenode ? |
| 17:13.55 | aguitel | CutMeOwnThroat, ok |
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| 17:14.23 | Z4ndX | Never mind |
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| 17:18.04 | qabulin | okay, passwd, shadow and group files fixed... |
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| 17:18.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | jordanm, so if I get you right your answer is "I don't know any"? :) |
| 17:18.37 | qabulin | the error im having does NOT seem to be b/c of lastnights "funny" editing |
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| 17:18.55 | jordanm | CutMeOwnThroat: correct :) |
| 17:19.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | but ain't this weird? |
| 17:19.06 | nimpy | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:19.10 | nimpy | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:19.12 | nimpy | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:19.14 | nimpy | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:19.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | that firefox should have the best-working spell-checker for linux? |
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| 17:19.18 | nimpy | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:19.20 | nimpy | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:19.22 | nimpy | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:19.26 | nimpy | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:19.28 | nimpy | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:19.29 | jordanm | !ops nimpy is flooding |
| 17:19.29 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: jordanm complains about: nimpy is flooding |
| 17:19.30 | nimpy | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:19.32 | nimpy | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:19.34 | nimpy | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:19.36 | nimpy | *** GNAA WANTS YOU TO KNOW, FREENODE IS A FUCKIN' SAUSAGEFEST *** |
| 17:19.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | hardly worth the bother |
| 17:19.53 | qabulin | adduser and useradd are pulling from different "pools" of UID. adduser's UID causes failure with smbpasswd but useradd does not. |
| 17:20.03 | jordanm | CutMeOwnThroat: to ban the spammer? |
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| 17:20.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | jordanm, to have local ops involved...just wait for the kline :) |
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| 17:20.36 | jordanm | qabulin: both allow you to specify your own uid |
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| 17:20.54 | jordanm | qabulin: you can also alter the "range" in adduser |
| 17:21.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, hehe you _were_ faster, but only by a hairs width |
| 17:21.37 | abrotman | yeah .. well |
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| 17:22.42 | aguitel | CutMeOwnThroat, the step #4 say " fix your sources.list by adding back in any other mirrors you had been using" how i do that |
| 17:22.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | jordanm, http://www.nirmaltv.com/2008/03/08/how-to-enable-spell-check-in-text-fields-in-firefox/ : "Firefox has its own in-built spell check," |
| 17:23.30 | Creamie_ | Hey guys having some problems with my wifi http://paste.debian.net/74820/ anyone got any idea's ? |
| 17:23.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | aguitel, if you don't know, you probably don't have any... you might look at the backup file you created |
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| 17:23.42 | Aero1 | Heyho Liebe Leute, ich steh etwas auf dem Schlauf: Ich versuche meine "T-Mobile UMTS/GPRS/WLAN" Karte (für WLAN) einzurichten. Lt. lspci wird die als Marvell W8300 802.11 Adapter (rev 07) erkannt, nu hab ich aber kein Plan, wie ich die dazu bringe bei mir im iwconfig zu stehen |
| 17:24.04 | aguitel | CutMeOwnThroat, where is the backup |
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| 17:24.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | aguitel, you made it... with "cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.mybak" --> it's in /etc/apt/sources.list.mybak? |
| 17:24.58 | mastro | newbie question, do I need to installa Xorg on a server to be able to ssh -X myUser@myServer and see graphical application on my client? |
| 17:25.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | mmm jain |
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| 17:25.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | you don't need xorg, but some x11 libs |
| 17:25.43 | mastro | CutMeOwnThroat, which one? |
| 17:25.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | and don't ask mich which packages that are! |
| 17:25.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | bah, too late |
| 17:25.51 | aguitel | CutMeOwnThroat, ok |
| 17:26.12 | PerfDave | mastro: Any X app should depend on the X libs it needs to display to either a local or remote X server. |
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| 17:26.46 | dotCOMmie | Is there a tool to trace depedency chains? Something where I can specify which package I'm installing and some other package that gets pulled in through dependencies |
| 17:26.49 | StefanNET | where to change motd of server? |
| 17:26.58 | PerfDave | StefanNET: /etc/motd |
| 17:27.07 | PerfDave | dotCOMmie: "aptitude why" may help? |
| 17:27.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | !ssh x11 forwarding |
| 17:27.09 | dpkg | You can run X11 apps securely over an ssh connection without <xhost> nor X TCP support. Enable X11Forwarding _on the remote server_ (/etc/ssh/sshd_config) and install xauth (lenny) or xbase-clients (etch) on both the client and the server. Then "ssh -X" from the client and run X apps on the remote machine. See also <root x> and <cygwin sshx>. |
| 17:27.16 | qabulin | jordanm: okay, so its the UID... leading ME to believe that i have a cluttered passwd file... where is that file and the name of it? or how can i list smbpasswd users? |
| 17:27.39 | StefanNET | i dont have etc/motd -.- |
| 17:27.44 | StefanNET | shoudl i create it? |
| 17:27.47 | StefanNET | file or dir? |
| 17:27.57 | PerfDave | StefanNET: What version of Debian are you running? |
| 17:27.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | dotCOMmie, "apt-get rdepends" or apt-rdepends (read manpages, does recursive depends and rdepends) |
| 17:28.04 | StefanNET | ah finded |
| 17:28.05 | StefanNET | ty |
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| 17:28.14 | frikinz | mastro, the x-server is in your case the ssh client |
| 17:28.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | mastro, ^^^ see factoid |
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| 17:28.20 | dotCOMmie | $ aptitude why mysql-server |
| 17:28.20 | dotCOMmie | i popularity-contest Suggests anacron |
| 17:28.20 | dotCOMmie | p anacron Recommends rsyslog | system-log-daemon |
| 17:28.20 | dotCOMmie | p rsyslog Suggests rsyslog-mysql | rsyslog-pgsql |
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| 17:28.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | goodbye |
| 17:28.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | !next |
| 17:28.26 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
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| 17:28.46 | dotCOMmie | sorry pasted wrong channel |
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| 17:29.37 | mastro | CutMeOwnThroat, frikinz PerfDave thanks |
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| 17:35.14 | adv_ | anyone know of an app that shows the coordinates of the mouseover in an image in real time? |
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| 17:35.40 | petemc | doesnt the gimp do that? |
| 17:35.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | it does |
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| 17:36.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | if you're able to find the place where it's displayed :) |
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| 17:36.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, it does it anyway, but you might not notice :)) |
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| 17:39.48 | qabulin | why would users of a certain UID range cause an NT_STATUS_UNSUCCESSFUL error when i try to add new users with smbpassd -a http://pastebin.org/279692 |
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| 17:41.56 | jordanm | qabulin: perhaps it expects non-system users to have a UID above 1000 so its preventing you from giving a system user samba access? |
| 17:42.03 | jordanm | that is entirely a guess thought |
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| 17:43.03 | qabulin | jordanm: funny thing is that this was not and issue before, but i have no way of telling exactly when things changed |
| 17:43.45 | jordanm | qabulin: what version of debian? |
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| 17:44.25 | abrotman | more accurately .. which version of samba dpkg -l samba |
| 17:44.35 | qabulin | jordanm: lenny 5.0+ |
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| 17:45.23 | qabulin | abrotman, jordanm: samba 2:3.2.5-4lenny9 |
| 17:45.40 | abrotman | there is a version of samba in backports, which is why i asked |
| 17:46.01 | ||cw | the default samba uid mapping also has a rather large gap between each user and if you have a lot of users you run out of UID's |
| 17:46.03 | qabulin | i also checked and i dont have any specified UID ranges. |
| 17:46.29 | ||cw | qabulin: testparm -v |
| 17:46.44 | ||cw | just because you didn't set one doens't mean there isn't on |
| 17:47.02 | qabulin | ||cw: true... |
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| 17:47.50 | Aero1 | Naarrrggg - Wie zieht man sich den NDISwrapper für seine blöde wlan-karte, wenn man keinen Onlinezugriff hat - grmmml |
| 17:48.35 | jordanm | !de |
| 17:48.35 | dpkg | Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). |
| 17:49.12 | Aero1 | sagt des do einer glei -.- |
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| 17:52.28 | qabulin | ||cw: http://pastebin.org/279929 |
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| 17:53.18 | rpaulson | does anyone know why there's no linux-image-2.6.32-4-amd64 in testing? |
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| 17:53.32 | qabulin | ||cw: it does look like one is set... |
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| 17:54.03 | jordanm | ,kernels |
| 17:54.04 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.34-1-686 (2.6.34-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-13); squeeze: 2.6.32-3-686 (2.6.32-9); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.4-686 (2.6.32-11~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-22lenny1); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
| 17:54.34 | jordanm | rpaulson: it was my understanding that the python2.6 transition was holding up kernel pushes to testing |
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| 17:54.53 | jordanm | !why is linux-image-2.6.32-4-amd64 not in testing |
| 17:54.53 | dpkg | linux-image-2.6.32-4-amd64 is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=linux-image-2.6.32-4-amd64 |
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| 17:56.44 | jhutchins_lt | We did get an update to .26 today. |
| 17:57.06 | rpaulson | thanks |
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| 18:01.09 | Quimby | hi. i'm having a strange dns issue in my domain. http://pastebin.org/279955 i can resolve a fqdn just fine with dig/host, but when i try to ping/telnet it i get "unkown host". /etc/hosts host.conf resolv.conf look good to me. |
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| 18:01.58 | jordanm | Quimby: what about nsswitch.conf? |
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| 18:05.15 | Quimby | jordanm: oops forgot about that. Thank you. its working now. the file looked like this: http://pastebin.org/279975 |
| 18:05.51 | Quimby | i think i played around with samba a couple of weeks ago. |
| 18:06.11 | jordanm | avahi will also do that |
| 18:06.28 | theromi | Hi guys, just tried installing cherokee from apt. Worked fine, but it doesn't serve php-files altough php5-cgi is installed. Any ideas what I missed? |
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| 18:07.00 | jordanm | theromi: did you check /usr/share/doc/cherokee/ for a Readme.Debian file? |
| 18:07.44 | jhutchins_lt | Quimby: What did you change? THat's how my working server is configured. |
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| 18:08.15 | doublehp | how do i configure exim as relay for a smarthost using authentification ? |
| 18:08.26 | theromi | jordanm: cat: /usr/share/doc/cherokee/Readme.Debian: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden (File not found) |
| 18:08.29 | jhutchins_lt | theromi: You could install a widely supported and understood server that works out of the box on debian. |
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| 18:09.42 | theromi | jhutchins_lt: Apache eats my server for breakfast, lighttpd has to be restarted every 24h because it leaks memory like hell. Any other ideas? |
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| 18:10.02 | aguitel | anyone update squeeze today? is there openoffice updates ? |
| 18:10.09 | jordanm | theromi: what files are there? |
| 18:10.11 | jhutchins_lt | theromi: Dunno, must be a special server if it's not compatible with apache. |
| 18:10.20 | jordanm | !tell theromi about localized errors |
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| 18:11.02 | Quimby | jhutchins: reverted the line to "hosts: files dns". my fault was that i installed the samba stuff (krb etc.). but i actually have no clue how to configure that |
| 18:11.07 | theromi | jordanm: Thats why I wrote (File not found) after it, sorry if that wasn't clear enough ;) |
| 18:11.11 | manixor | How to get the CPU and MB serial number? |
| 18:11.28 | manixor | ...using shell, or python script? |
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| 18:11.32 | jordanm | theromi: it was clear, I was just showing you that you can produce errors in english |
| 18:12.10 | jordanm | manixor: lshw will give you detailed information, thought I doubt you get a serial number without opening th box |
| 18:12.26 | jhutchins_lt | Quimby: Ok the server that doesn't have a dns server has the simpler config. |
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| 18:12.44 | jhutchins_lt | Quimby: Still, that should have fallen through to dns. |
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| 18:13.23 | jhutchins_lt | manixor: lshw does about as much as anything I've ever seen, but I don't think I've seen that. |
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| 18:14.01 | manixor | I get command not found on lshw... |
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| 18:14.06 | rpaulson | anyone running software raid 1 on debian testing without system freezes every 30 seconds? |
| 18:14.07 | jordanm | !installit |
| 18:14.07 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude. |
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| 18:15.36 | mguy | What's a good way to block India, China, etc from a machine? hosts.deny? |
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| 18:15.49 | rpaulson | mguy: or iptables |
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| 18:16.07 | doublehp | mguy: considering they can use US proxies: none |
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| 18:16.21 | jhutchins_lt | manixor: I don't see a serial number there. Never seen a digital serial number on a CPU, although I've seen it in the BIOS of some motherboards - definitely not all. |
| 18:16.34 | doublehp | mguy: assuming they are not: go on ICAN/RIA web site and download the list of their IP ranges |
| 18:16.38 | jhutchins_lt | manixor: You're probably going to have to open the case and look, and in the case of the CPU you'll probably have to pull it. |
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| 18:17.59 | doublehp | mguy: then, iptables as suggest will do the job. During a few years, I had a script: every 60s, i parse syslog; if the same IP has more than 8 failures on sshd withint 24h, i add the IP to my block list. When the list became bigger than 100 IPs in less than 1 month, I decided to move sshd on an anlternative port |
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| 18:19.12 | mguy | Looking to block spammers and script kiddies, not just ssh |
| 18:19.22 | mguy | I will look up those blacklists mentioned |
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| 18:20.19 | doublehp | mguy: a good idea against spammers are grey listings |
| 18:21.06 | envirocbr | doublehp: sounds like fail2ban |
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| 18:21.49 | resmo_ | mguy, I am using fail2ban for blocking ssh/http/imap bruteforce attacks |
| 18:22.04 | envirocbr | I hear it works great, I haven't personally used it |
| 18:22.05 | neoice | doublehp: if you turn off password auth and only use keys, your logs get a lot quieter. |
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| 18:22.11 | doublehp | envirocbr: I never trust any one. I wrote my script myself |
| 18:22.15 | envirocbr | I just block all of China and Korea and I am fine |
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| 18:22.21 | neoice | I scripted fail2ban to WHOIS attacking IPs and email their abuse@ desk :P |
| 18:22.24 | envirocbr | doublehp: Understood ;) |
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| 18:22.51 | doublehp | neoice: i know; but, this can be done at the same time as changing port :) |
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| 18:23.07 | neoice | doublehp: I'm often behind restrictive firewalls so I'm stuck on port 22. |
| 18:23.13 | HackeMate | hi, im trying to install java in lenny, but every how-to is talking about java-package that i dont find in anywhere, i tried to run the .bin file from sun, then created the symbolic link of libjava osi.so to the plugins directory, but doesnt appear in about:plugins yet |
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| 18:24.03 | danutz | hello all ,I have a question..I have a vps and a domain...I created the name server at the domain registers ns1.mydomain.com and ns2.mydomain.com that goes to the vps ip and then set the domain to these nameservers the problem is that is not resolving..what do I have to do next? |
| 18:24.10 | qabulin | When using smbpasswd -a do get this error: Unable to modify TDB passwd: NT_STATUS_UNSUCCESSFUL! but this does not happen when i use pdbedit |
| 18:24.22 | lindi- | HackeMate: apt-get install openjdk-6-jdk |
| 18:24.35 | qabulin | any thoughts on this? o.O |
| 18:24.46 | rpaulson | HackeMate: try sun-java6-jre, sun-java6-jdk, sun-java6-bin, sun-java6-plugin |
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| 18:26.41 | HackeMate | i guess my repositories are only free, just the openjdk-6-jdk appeard, but my webbrowser still has no java |
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| 18:28.20 | rpaulson | HackeMate: you can add the repositories: non-free and contrib :) |
| 18:28.45 | HackeMate | but the open should work too |
| 18:28.54 | HackeMate | may be i am doing something wrong in somewhere |
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| 18:29.05 | lindi- | HackeMate: you want java applets? |
| 18:29.26 | HackeMate | i want to use my national identification in official webs |
| 18:29.42 | HackeMate | it requires java |
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| 18:30.02 | qabulin | HackeMate: you installed java... did you install the java webplugin from your repositories as well? |
| 18:30.25 | HackeMate | oh, no, i didnt install any webplugin |
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| 18:31.01 | hjk | what do main contrib nonfree mean? |
| 18:31.30 | HackeMate | i think i have wrong repositories, i dont find any webplugin |
| 18:31.40 | aguitel | !tell sansen_ about apt-spy |
| 18:31.55 | hjk | and in aptitude search results,what v p mark mean/? |
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| 18:32.15 | rpaulson | hjk: different repositories for debian packages. |
| 18:32.46 | hjk | ehmm,thank you .but what's the difference? |
| 18:32.49 | rpaulson | hjk: packages in non-free, for example, have "non-free" licenses |
| 18:33.01 | jordanm | HackeMate: I am not sure which is the openjdk solution... if you don't have issues with non-free: aptitude install sun-java6-jre sun-java6-plugin; update-java-alternatives --set java-6-sun |
| 18:33.03 | rpaulson | hjk: while packagse in main are "free" |
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| 18:33.41 | HackeMate | this is my repository deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ stable main \n deb-src http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ stable main |
| 18:33.48 | hjk | rpaulson, why my wireless connection died after few seconds.... |
| 18:34.05 | HackeMate | can i change main for contrib non-free main |
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| 18:34.26 | hjk | i'm on squeeze |
| 18:34.26 | rpaulson | HackeMate: no, add it with space between, like this: main contrib non-free |
| 18:34.37 | HackeMate | ah ok |
| 18:35.04 | rpaulson | HackeMate: and don't forget to apt-get update |
| 18:36.02 | jordanm | !tell rpaulson about why aptitude |
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| 18:36.21 | HackeMate | ok, now i can reach sun-java6-plugin, it goes better |
| 18:36.22 | HackeMate | thanks |
| 18:36.44 | HackeMate | aptitude < apt-get? |
| 18:37.00 | jordanm | no, aptitude > apt-get |
| 18:37.05 | jordanm | !why aptitude |
| 18:37.05 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often find a solution where apt-get gives up. It can be used from the command line like apt-get plus an interactive resolver makes it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). |
| 18:37.12 | qabulin | HackeMate: id install the webplugin for your web browser. |
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| 18:37.35 | jordanm | qabulin: he should install the debian package for the java browser plugin |
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| 18:38.46 | hjk | hello,I'm on squeeze.my wireless connection keeps be dieing after working only for few seconds...what's wrong? |
| 18:38.59 | amphi | hjk: anything in the logs? |
| 18:39.13 | jaymes | sounds like a router issue to me |
| 18:39.24 | hjk | nothing |
| 18:39.32 | ||cw | or a flackey driver |
| 18:39.34 | HackeMate | oh, finally i have java, thanks all |
| 18:39.42 | jaymes | is your router dual band? |
| 18:39.47 | jordanm | hjk: dmesg would include _something_ |
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| 18:40.24 | hjk | dmesg says: no ip v6 router available... |
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| 18:41.01 | hjk | dhcp enabled |
| 18:41.08 | hjk | 54m b/g |
| 18:41.29 | hjk | wireless chip 8187 |
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| 18:41.57 | rpaulson | anyone running software raid 1 on debian testing without system freezes every 30 seconds? |
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| 18:42.40 | rpaulson | related to the kernel consuming 99% of io every 30 seconds |
| 18:42.51 | jordanm | rpaulson: have you already checked the BTS? |
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| 18:47.15 | rpaulson | jordanm: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=577211 |
| 18:47.36 | rpaulson | jordanm: but no-one has replied it seems |
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| 18:49.07 | sh0t | Hi all. I'm trying to see an mp4 file but i can't hear the audio track |
| 18:49.11 | rpaulson | jordanm: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=498228 also reported there |
| 18:49.16 | rpaulson | and "assumed fixed" |
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| 18:49.40 | karlpinc | rpaulson: You could write to the bug and tell them it's not fixed. |
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| 18:50.13 | ||cw | sh0t: you are probably missing the audio codec, your player should have complained |
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| 18:51.25 | cahoot | sh0t: play it with mplayer from a terminal - might get some errormsg |
| 18:51.41 | sh0t | ||cw, it's strange... now it's ok. |
| 18:51.49 | sh0t | :| |
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| 18:52.02 | sh0t | i didn't do nothing |
| 18:52.23 | ||cw | so you did something? |
| 18:52.51 | ||cw | yeay for double negatives |
| 18:53.09 | sh0t | :) sorry for my poor english :9 |
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| 18:55.18 | solifugus | I installed logwatch but there is no /etc/logwatch/conf/logwatch.conf file? What is up with that? |
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| 18:56.04 | Priiit | Does LC_MESSAGES define system language? |
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| 18:57.28 | sdk_lnx | Hello, do someone know a good starting doc for creating a lenny pdc ? any recommendations ? |
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| 18:57.41 | iceroot | solifugus: and you dont mean logcheck? /etc/logcheck/logcheck.conf |
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| 18:57.53 | blue_anna | hi -- what's the easiest way to see recent boot times? |
| 18:58.03 | Bushmills | last |
| 18:58.12 | blue_anna | Bushmills: thank you :) |
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| 18:58.44 | Bushmills | last|grep boot for less verbosity |
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| 18:59.42 | blue_anna | my system seems to have crashed when I was at lunch. but there's nothing in the logs (syslog, message) to indicate why |
| 18:59.49 | blue_anna | nor daemon log |
| 19:00.04 | blue_anna | is there another way to see? it's almost like a power outage but I have a ups and its at full |
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| 19:00.17 | Bushmills | uptime is a quick indicator for that |
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| 19:00.47 | jordanm | blue_anna: I had similar issues once and it turned out to be a corrupt VM image... I was never able to find _any_ indication of why the crash occured in logs |
| 19:00.50 | blue_anna | Bushmills: yeah I found it, it definitely rebooted while I was away |
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| 19:01.02 | Bushmills | screensaver? |
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| 19:01.27 | blue_anna | jordanm: what is a VM image? -- that's for like, if I run a virtual machine? |
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| 19:01.46 | blue_anna | Bushmills: my screensaver is off, I just blank my monitor because I have some problems with the screensaver |
| 19:01.53 | Bushmills | should be dine |
| 19:01.54 | Bushmills | fine |
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| 19:02.37 | jordanm | blue_anna: yes, a virtual machine |
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| 19:03.04 | blue_anna | jordanm: I don't run one .. because I'm just on this old powerpc machine, it can't really emulate anything |
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| 19:05.19 | blue_anna | jordanm, Bushmills thank you |
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| 19:05.29 | Bushmills | i had a case of a machine, crashing once per week. i discovered the reason with a cron job, running once per minute, which wrote the output of ps auxf to a files with names derived from date, so i had a days or a weeks worth of ps auxf which i could inspect after the crash |
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| 19:11.47 | markc | how can I completely remove dash? |
| 19:12.16 | Dassu | "sudo dpkg --purge dash" ? |
| 19:12.39 | Dassu | dunno why would you do that though. Fastest shell for linux |
| 19:12.44 | markc | This is an essential package - it should not be removed. |
| 19:13.31 | Dassu | markc: Many of the shell scripts included in debian use Dash |
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| 19:16.19 | Thurin1 | Is it normal Debian (Lenny) behaviour to allow users to list /root and copy files from root to /home/~ ..? |
| 19:16.37 | Thurin1 | Or, is there something horribly wrong with my installation or SSH set up |
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| 19:18.02 | AimHere | Same here, but there's nothing there worth copying. |
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| 19:18.26 | jordanm | Thurin1: chmod 700 /root |
| 19:18.26 | AimHere | If it worries you, it shouldn't hurt to chmod it to 700 or whatever |
| 19:18.33 | jordanm | always does |
| 19:18.41 | jordanm | RHEL defaults to that, but debian does not |
| 19:18.48 | Thurin1 | OK, so this is normal? |
| 19:18.54 | yakamo | anyone know a site that describes how i might get a wm that looks like feadora moblin spin? |
| 19:19.00 | jordanm | Thurin1: probably, yes |
| 19:19.14 | Thurin1 | Interesting |
| 19:19.52 | poisonbit | Thurin1, yes, and the same for new folders unless you edit root .bashrc or other bash global file and put: umask 027 |
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| 19:20.16 | jordanm | Thurin1: nothing sensitive is there by default |
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| 19:20.34 | poisonbit | also a plain user can read /etc, write to /tmp, /var/lib/tmp and other places outside his home (be careful about quotas) |
| 19:20.35 | Thurin1 | jordanm: I know, but I've never had that happen before running other servers |
| 19:20.42 | Thurin1 | I thought it was odd |
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| 19:21.08 | poisonbit | is the default since I use debian |
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| 19:21.29 | Thurin1 | I wonder if Ubuntu defaults in the same way |
| 19:21.40 | Thurin1 | I've never tried it as a server, maybe I'll install it later and see. |
| 19:21.51 | poisonbit | ubuntu does not use root by default, i don't know |
| 19:22.08 | jhutchins_lt | Thurin1: server vs desktop shouldn't make any difference. |
| 19:22.30 | Thurin1 | jhutchins_lt: I've never tried it as a desktop either |
| 19:22.32 | Thurin1 | :D |
| 19:22.39 | AimHere | It's less likely to matter in a desktop |
| 19:23.03 | jordanm | depends... multi-user or single-user desktop |
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| 19:26.40 | Kzim | hi |
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| 19:27.47 | Kzim | just a stupid question i dunno where to ask. what is the last good spam asystem ? i mean spamassassin still rules ? |
| 19:28.24 | ||cw | SA is still alright |
| 19:28.34 | ||cw | if you config it right |
| 19:28.43 | edrz | and keep it trained and update the rules. |
| 19:28.46 | jordanm | Kzim: as far as opensource goes, yes. there are also companies that sell "appliances" that do spam filtering with proprietary software |
| 19:28.48 | ||cw | yeah |
| 19:29.05 | poisonbit | the same for all options to SA, (dspam, etc) you need to train it well |
| 19:29.28 | ||cw | and things like postini and mxlogic work well too and dont' cost much |
| 19:29.52 | Kzim | i think my SA config isn't good but i wanted to be sure this is the way to go before google the good practice :) |
| 19:29.56 | Kzim | thanks |
| 19:30.14 | Kzim | it's mainly for personal use so, opensource is great :) |
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| 19:32.43 | alys | Please: I cannot start X as it seems the file /var/log/Xorg.0.log cannot be found. I have had no joy from #xorg. How do I fix this? thanks |
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| 19:32.57 | Bushmills | as last element in the anti spam chain, SA does well. but you might want to keep it from getting all mail, by filtering earlier by other means already |
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| 19:33.42 | Bushmills | setting up you mailer to not accept certain types of mail may be a good complement. also greylisting if you can live with first-time posting delay. |
| 19:33.46 | jordanm | Bushmills: do you mean like like tracking blacklists? |
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| 19:34.23 | Bushmills | no. i mean like, refusing mail from mailers with evidently illegal HELO string, for example |
| 19:34.27 | jhutchins_lt | Kzim: Which release are you on, and how did you install it? |
| 19:35.12 | Kzim | Bushmills, i putted en.spamhaus.org wich is good but my SA don't lean anything :( |
| 19:35.25 | jhutchins_lt | Bushmills: greylisting is very effective, especially since the traditional RBL's have gone away. |
| 19:35.39 | jhutchins_lt | Bushmills: I need to go back through the current RBL setup. |
| 19:35.44 | Kzim | jhutchins, long time ago i m on a Lenny i got ...SA 3.2.5 |
| 19:35.49 | Bushmills | greylisting, if acceptable, can take out about 95% of all spam |
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| 19:36.05 | jhutchins_lt | Kzim: Sorry, wrong nic. |
| 19:36.15 | jhutchins_lt | alys: Which release are you on, and how did you install it? |
| 19:36.17 | Bushmills | with very minor processing impact on receiving server |
| 19:36.19 | Kzim | i've got user that have conplain about greylisting :( |
| 19:36.47 | Bushmills | well, you can selectively allow mail to specific users to skip greylisting |
| 19:37.06 | Kzim | Bushmills, what is the most effective mechanic for SA whan i have about 200 users |
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| 19:37.27 | Bushmills | most effective is probably to give it as little as possible mail |
| 19:37.52 | SerajewelKS | is there an X function to return the current video mode (dimensions, color depth, etc) that is not dependent on the xrandr or xinerama extensions? |
| 19:37.56 | Bushmills | i.e. don't use it as only spam checking instance |
| 19:37.57 | jhutchins_lt | Kzim: You might look at some mail log analizers, they can be effective in showing users what a difference greylisting makes. |
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| 19:38.00 | Kzim | Bushmills, i'll look again at greylisting. for SA i mean i need to sa-lean all .SPAM folder in every user dir ? |
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| 19:38.25 | Kzim | jhutchins, you got a name of one log analyser ? |
| 19:38.28 | jhutchins_lt | Kzim: greylisting works at the mta layer. |
| 19:38.35 | Bushmills | most users should be fine having the mail subject of suspected spam marked as such |
| 19:38.59 | Bushmills | then their mail client can toss them into spam folders if desired |
| 19:39.03 | jhutchins_lt | Kzim: Unfortunately the one I used to use from RedHat doesn't seem to work on current Debian, I need to figure out if it's configuration or compatibility. |
| 19:39.32 | alys | jhutchins_lt: I am using lenny - it was installed by a netinstall - some months ago, now. |
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| 19:40.01 | alys | jhutchins_lt: I am using lenny - it was installed by a netinstall - some months ago, now. |
| 19:40.16 | poisonbit | SerajewelKS, xdpyinfo | grep foo ? |
| 19:40.29 | alys | I am using gnome, at present |
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| 19:40.51 | SerajewelKS | poisonbit: sorry, i meant a C function |
| 19:40.52 | jhutchins_lt | alys: What was the last thing you did/updated/installed/changed before it stopped working? |
| 19:41.24 | alys | Nothing that I can remember - it just stopped when I went to a commandline and would not restart. |
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| 19:41.40 | Elive_user33_en | hi |
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| 19:41.48 | jordanm | alys: what error does `startx` give? |
| 19:41.55 | SerajewelKS | poisonbit: i'm trying to patch a library that requires xrandr or xinerama to obtain screen information to work with Xvnc (which implements neither) |
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| 19:42.35 | Elive_user33_en | can someone please, tell me the identify command? |
| 19:42.44 | abrotman | Elive_user33_en: /msg nickserv help |
| 19:42.45 | jordanm | Elive_user33_en: /msg nickserv help |
| 19:42.46 | alys | fatal server error cannot open log file /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 19:42.58 | jordanm | alys: what are the permissions on that file? |
| 19:43.06 | Elive_user33_en | abrotman, thanks, btw its me compaq |
| 19:43.12 | jhutchins_lt | I wonder if it's locked by a dead X process? |
| 19:43.16 | poisonbit | SerajewelKS, I've never programed xorg in C, sorry and good luck :) |
| 19:43.18 | alys | I suspect that it must be root - which I can do, of course |
| 19:43.19 | abrotman | Elive_user33_en: so why aren't you using Debian ? |
| 19:43.51 | jordanm | alys: there should be no reason for you to be root... pastebin the perms of /var/log and /var/log/Xorg* |
| 19:44.10 | Elive_user33_en | abrotman, I like this new enlightenment desktop, but elive people are asking for money. I tried to get it going on debian, but there were lots of troubles. |
| 19:44.15 | jordanm | alys: for starting a x session i mean |
| 19:44.21 | jhutchins_lt | jordanm: Doesn't X run as root anyway? |
| 19:44.23 | abrotman | Elive_user33_en: well, Elive support is in #elive, not here |
| 19:44.33 | Elive_user33_en | abrotman, ok, sorry |
| 19:44.38 | alys | jordann: what do you mean by 'pastebin', please? |
| 19:44.47 | jhutchins_lt | jordanm: Yeah, runs as root. |
| 19:44.52 | SerajewelKS | poisonbit: thanks :( |
| 19:44.52 | abrotman | Elive_user33_en: i'm sure there is a way to get E17 on Debian though |
| 19:45.18 | Elive_user33_en | abrotman, I did, I installed it, was working good |
| 19:45.19 | abrotman | e17 is in unstable |
| 19:45.37 | jhutchins_lt | !paste |
| 19:45.37 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>. |
| 19:45.43 | jordanm | jhutchins_lt: yes, its setuid |
| 19:46.10 | jhutchins_lt | jordanm: So I'm thinking locked file, possibly shutdown -Fr now |
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| 19:46.12 | Elive_user33_en | abrotman, but then I had trouble with smplayer, it kept dying and crashing e17, and mplayer was ok, but when I would go full screen, the controls wouldn't stay behind, and also desktop effects would flash on the screen |
| 19:46.49 | alys | Can I shutdow -Fr now? Will it likely work? |
| 19:47.26 | jhutchins_lt | alys: That will reboot and do a filesystem check. Whether that fixes anything, it won't hurt anything. |
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| 19:51.27 | alys | Sorry, I lost connection |
| 19:52.26 | jhutchins_lt | alys: That will reboot and do a filesystem check. Whether that fixes anything, it won't hurt anything. |
| 19:52.26 | alys | it seems that the file /var/log/Xorg.0.log doesn't exist |
| 19:52.31 | alys | so it seems typing 'startx' will not work. |
| 19:52.49 | Kzim | is logwatch the best report tool for daily mail ? i installed it but it's way to verbose :( |
| 19:53.31 | jordanm | Kzim: its configurable... and its not that verbose, maybe you just have a lot going on? |
| 19:53.32 | jhutchins_lt | Kzim: WHich mailer? |
| 19:53.52 | jhutchins_lt | Kzim: awffull can supposedly do mail files, but I've never gotten it to work. |
| 19:53.59 | alys | jhutchins_lt: would it help if I reconfigured Xorg? 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' |
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| 19:54.17 | jhutchins_lt | alys: Might. It should be able to create the file. |
| 19:54.23 | alys | thanks |
| 19:54.32 | jhutchins_lt | alys: Did you restart? |
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| 19:56.40 | aarcane | is it possible to tell an interface in not to request dns information over dhcp ? |
| 19:56.44 | alys | Yes - I restarted - as you suggested - and I have reconfigured Xorg - with no results. A pity |
| 19:56.53 | Kzim | jhutchins, dovecot |
| 19:57.02 | alys | Am I now going to have to use CLI all the time? |
| 19:57.20 | Kzim | jordanm, i have 10000 line of dovecot output :( |
| 19:57.49 | jordanm | aarcane: yep, just remove nameserver from dhclient.conf |
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| 19:58.29 | jordanm | Kzim: then that means you need to fix dovecot, either by resolving what its logging or reducing dovecot's verbosity. all logwatch does is summarize what has been logged by other services |
| 19:58.56 | Kzim | jordanm, okay i'll look at tthat :/ |
| 19:59.00 | alys | jhutchins_lt: thanks for all your help... |
| 19:59.22 | jordanm | Kzim: I assume its not simple user A logged in x number of times? |
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| 19:59.49 | jhutchins_lt | Kzim: Dovecot is the pop/imap server, I'm asking about exim or postfix or sendmail. |
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| 20:00.04 | Kzim | damn postgrey work well but when i send a mail with thunderbird it return me the error of postgrey :( my user will never understand that :( |
| 20:00.06 | aarcane | jordanm, sweet, thanks. |
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| 20:00.46 | jhutchins_lt | Kzim: that should be fixable, though I don't know the details. |
| 20:01.09 | Kzim | jordanm, i have many thing like Logged out bytes=71/1432: 1 Time(s) or dovecot: deliver(xxx): sieve: msgid=<201005i.com>: stored mail into mailbox 'INBOX': 1 Time(s) |
| 20:01.24 | Kzim | jhutchins, postfix sorry |
| 20:01.43 | alfatau | hello, i'm using a debian lenny system for an home router. can you advise me some good way to limit the upload bandwidth for a certain ip (or ip-range) ? thank you in advance |
| 20:02.19 | petemc | alfatau: wondershaper |
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| 20:02.45 | alfatau | petemc: thank you |
| 20:02.56 | petemc | np |
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| 20:06.52 | jordanm | Kzim: ah, well, our dovecot doesn't do local delivery which would explain why I don't see tons of those in logwatch |
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| 20:09.14 | alfatau | petemc: wondershaper seems to be an interface-based traffic shaper and not performs shaping by ip (i mean limit upload traffic for some LAN ips). am i wrong? |
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| 20:11.48 | gynter | hello, any ideas why i'm missing dpkg-source on my lenny? got dpkg-dev installed |
| 20:12.44 | gynter | nvermind shoot me or something |
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| 20:15.32 | petemc | alfatau: i think wondershaper is indeed limited in what it can do. traffic shaping is tricky to do in my experience, wondershaper makes it fairly simple at the expense of configurability |
| 20:17.14 | alfatau | petemc: ok, but it doesn't seem to meet my needs... how could limit an ip's upload bandwidth using wondershaper? the only options in man page require a network interface to shape... |
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| 20:18.49 | petemc | alfatau: thats what it does, perhaps you could do something funky with an aliased interface with a different netmask, not something ive done tho |
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| 20:19.10 | alfatau | petemc: ok thanks |
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| 20:36.29 | puty | alfatau are u here? |
| 20:37.25 | alfatau | puty: yes |
| 20:37.38 | puty | i think i found solucion |
| 20:37.58 | puty | the page is in spanish |
| 20:38.05 | jelly-home | ¿Que? |
| 20:38.14 | puty | que? |
| 20:38.27 | alfatau | puty: uhm... i don't know spanish... but i can try google translator... |
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| 20:39.03 | puty | ok but i dont know if i can paste link or not |
| 20:39.09 | puty | if is alowed or not |
| 20:39.37 | jelly-home | puty: it's allowed |
| 20:39.42 | puty | ok |
| 20:40.01 | jelly-home | ask your questions freely, don't wait for dedicated helpers |
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| 20:40.13 | ChangeOfHeart2 | Hello :) |
| 20:40.13 | puty | yhe looks good |
| 20:40.17 | puty | http://www.monografias.com/trabajos17/ancho-de-banda/ancho-de-banda.shtml |
| 20:40.43 | puty | i didn't try it but i will |
| 20:41.11 | ChangeOfHeart2 | can anyone answer a newbie question for me :D ? |
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| 20:41.41 | jmd | , ask |
| 20:41.56 | jmd | ,ask |
| 20:42.00 | ChangeOfHeart2 | Can i install debian alongside my windows OS ? |
| 20:42.05 | jelly-home | !wayttd jmd |
| 20:42.05 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, jmd? |
| 20:42.05 | puty | i hope that will serve |
| 20:42.19 | ChangeOfHeart2 | it does not mention it on the website, i don't want to override my existing OS |
| 20:42.26 | puty | changeogheart2 yes use cirtual pc |
| 20:42.32 | puty | virtual pc |
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| 20:43.23 | jmd | ChangeOfHeart2, If you have a spare partition, yes. |
| 20:43.35 | jelly-home | ChangeOfHeart2: typically yes, you can make a dual-boot setup (not without risk, since it involves shrinking a windows partition if there's no free space), or you can use a virtualization solution like puty suggests |
| 20:43.49 | alfatau | puty: thank you |
| 20:44.12 | jmd | jelly-home, How do you "shrink" a partition? |
| 20:44.13 | puty | alfatau let me know if this works |
| 20:44.29 | ChangeOfHeart2 | is this a good one to use ? http://www.virtualbox.org/ ? |
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| 20:44.48 | alfatau | puty: i was also looking at htb-gen: http://www.praga.org.ar/wacko/DevPraga/htbgen#h81-3 |
| 20:44.58 | jelly-home | jmd: using a partition editor tool like partition magic, acronis disk director, or gparted (livecd) |
| 20:44.58 | jordanm | ChangeOfHeart2: for desktop virtualization, yes |
| 20:45.05 | alfatau | puty: currently i installed that deb and i'm trying if it works |
| 20:45.17 | kenjy | witch shell the cron use when it run commands? |
| 20:45.18 | ChangeOfHeart2 | jordamn: what other kind of virtualisation is there ? |
| 20:45.21 | kenjy | bash or sh? |
| 20:45.22 | puty | ok let me know |
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| 20:45.52 | jelly-home | jmd: and I _think_ the installer supports that option now, but don't take my word for granted |
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| 20:46.18 | jmd | jelly-home, I don't see how that could be done without loosing the contents of the partition. |
| 20:46.21 | jordanm | ChangeOfHeart2: well, its not exactly a "type" but you can virtualize servers or desktops |
| 20:46.50 | jordanm | ChangeOfHeart2: but my reference to "desktop virtualization" meant basically virtualizing a server or desktop on your desktop PC |
| 20:47.10 | jmd | ChangeOfHeart2, The best thing to do is buy a second physical disk and install onto that. |
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| 20:47.39 | ChangeOfHeart2 | jordamn, jmd: can i use an external hard drive as a partion of my computer ? |
| 20:47.53 | jelly-home | jmd: it can be done if the filesystem has enough free space so that data can be moved around a bit |
| 20:47.57 | ChangeOfHeart2 | seeing as i am using a laptop..... |
| 20:48.07 | jordanm | ChangeOfHeart2: I missed the original question. for virtualbox, it will create a file that will act for a virtual hard disk |
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| 20:48.17 | jmd | ChangeOfHeart2, Probably, but I've never done it myself. |
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| 20:49.04 | djura-san | o/ |
| 20:49.26 | alfatau | puty: htb-gen seems working, but i don't know what exactly it does... well, in the next days i'll look at it in depth. i'm keeping the other link because it seems quite similar. thanks for help. bys |
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| 20:50.04 | puty | yourwelcome bye |
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| 20:50.32 | ChangeOfHeart2 | Found it guys jordamn, jmd: # |
| 20:50.33 | ChangeOfHeart2 | Have both Debian and Windows installed on the same computer (known as dual booting). This way you can keep all your current data, including your Windows operating system, and choose to boot either Windows or Debian each time you start up your computer. This type of installation can be accomplished with the normal Debian installation CDs/DVDs, no special CDs/DVDs are required. |
| 20:50.33 | ChangeOfHeart2 | # If you have two hard disks you can make a dual split booting, this is, install each operating system in its own hard disk (i.e. the first for Debian and the second for Windows). You can also use a USB hard-disk for this. |
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| 20:51.29 | benji__ | stupid question : how to remove a file name "-e" ...? |
| 20:52.02 | benji__ | rm ./-e |
| 20:52.04 | benji__ | nevermind |
| 20:52.23 | frostschutz | or rm -- -e |
| 20:52.37 | ||cw | putting in quote not work? |
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| 20:53.01 | Tramp | ||cw: no, it wouldn't |
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| 20:53.20 | ||cw | so it doens't |
| 20:53.38 | kenjy | witch shell the cron use when it run commands? |
| 20:53.39 | kenjy | bash or sh? |
| 20:53.44 | Pudgy | It it widely known that Midnight Commander had support for "VI" style keybindings? |
| 20:54.09 | frostschutz | sh I guess, but you can tell it which one to use by setting SHELL= or something in the crontab |
| 20:54.25 | Tramp | kenjy: man 5 crontab tells you |
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| 20:55.15 | jordanm | Pudgy: doesn't it use a PAGER, which is typicall vi-like keybinds? |
| 20:55.47 | Pudgy | jordanm: No. I'm talking about navigation and such. |
| 20:56.02 | jordanm | Pudgy: bash itself has vi and emacs modes |
| 20:56.17 | Pudgy | jordanm: in "panel-mode" (I think it's called) |
| 20:56.28 | resmo | i am trying to build a deb package, and wanted to add a manpage to it. I used the xml template and xsltproc, everything seems to work fine. After dpkg-buildpackage i get a <name>.SECTION file, but when i install the package, i do not have a man page, what have I missed? |
| 20:56.29 | kenjy | Tramp: can I do crontab -e and add a line SHELL=/bin/bash to change it to bash? in /etc/crontab it have sh |
| 20:57.24 | Tramp | kenjy: yes |
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| 20:58.05 | Pudgy | jordanm: I'm surprised I can't seem to work in bash without vi-style bindings ;) |
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| 20:58.28 | kenjy | Tramp: ok |
| 20:58.59 | Tramp | kenjy: however, you don't edit the /etc/crontab with crontab(5), and changing it to "bash" there is not recommended |
| 20:59.37 | kenjy | Tramp: I did the change to the crontab of my root user not in /etc/crontab |
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| 21:00.04 | Tramp | kenjy: yes, that's ok then |
| 21:00.07 | Weisser | hi guys is there any software that i can use other than skype to contact people from skype network? |
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| 21:00.36 | Creamie_ | Hey guys having some problems with my wifi http://paste.debian.net/74820/ anyone got any ideas how to continue? |
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| 21:01.11 | jordanm | Creamie_: you have to associate with an AP (and bring up the wireless interface), prior to using dhclient |
| 21:01.32 | jordanm | however, I am not very familar with wpa_supplicant |
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| 21:01.51 | Creamie_ | ok |
| 21:04.09 | Tramp | Creamie_: what is your entry for wlan0 in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 21:04.18 | Creamie_ | let me check |
| 21:04.19 | ||cw | Creamie_: if you are using AES, shouldn't you have CCMP in tehre next to TKIP? as per http://www.daemon-systems.org/man/wpa_supplicant.conf.5.html, search page for AES |
| 21:04.47 | Tramp | Creamie_: also note, that iwconfig is irrelevant for WPA* |
| 21:06.05 | Creamie_ | http://paste.debian.net/74841/ Tramp |
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| 21:06.10 | Creamie_ | *updated |
| 21:06.25 | Creamie_ | ||cw: dont know :) |
| 21:06.34 | Creamie_ | will read the page thanks |
| 21:07.33 | Ziber | Can I not install debian net install from a usb? |
| 21:07.33 | Tramp | Creamie_: you either specify stuff in interfaces /or/ in wpa_supplicant.conf (and point to this .conf from interfaces) |
| 21:08.17 | Tramp | Creamie_: currently the parameters from your interfaces-fille are used. Since they differ from what you specify in the wpa_supplicant.conf I assume, they are wrong |
| 21:08.55 | puty | ziber yes u can install from usb |
| 21:08.58 | Creamie_ | alright |
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| 21:09.37 | Creamie_ | I will look in to it , thanks guys for the help! |
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| 21:12.01 | puty | Ziber make your usb bootable with unetbootin |
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| 21:13.04 | Ziber | i did. |
| 21:13.07 | Ziber | still asks for a CD |
| 21:13.35 | puty | u have to change boot order in setup |
| 21:13.44 | puty | first must be boot from usb |
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| 21:15.49 | Ziber | it boots from usb just fine. but then it asks about the CD |
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| 21:16.34 | puty | the first boot device is usb ? |
| 21:16.39 | Ziber | yes... |
| 21:16.53 | puty | disable all |
| 21:17.01 | puty | leave just usb |
| 21:18.02 | puty | if it does not boot the usb is not correctly made |
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| 21:18.41 | ||cw | I had issues with it too, mucked a around with it for a bit then just used PXE |
| 21:19.06 | ||cw | unetbooting puts the initrd at /cdrom/whatever and that doens't exist, and the usb doens't seem to mount |
| 21:19.20 | ||cw | no idea how to fix it |
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| 21:20.47 | puty | cw try syslinux |
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| 21:21.59 | puty | ziber also try syslinux if netbootin not funcion |
| 21:22.55 | puty | i installed debian with unetbootin without problems but syslinux also works fine |
| 21:23.32 | wols_ | !tell Ziber about usb install |
| 21:23.57 | wols_ | puty: unetbootin and such are a very bad idea for debian installs. especially when debian already has an official method to install via usb |
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| 21:25.17 | puty | wols_ i installed debian with unetboot x time without any problems. for me is easy way. |
| 21:26.12 | wols_ | and we see lots and lots of people with the exact same problem as Ziber reports with it |
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| 21:26.43 | puty | i gave him another solucion with syslinux |
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| 21:27.20 | puty | wols_ u can help him if u have better solucion |
| 21:27.27 | wols_ | !u |
| 21:27.27 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 21:27.32 | wols_ | and I already did |
| 21:27.43 | puty | ok |
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| 21:30.20 | jan | hi |
| 21:30.29 | jan | i'm new to debian |
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| 21:30.43 | jan | and i would like to mount my external hdd |
| 21:30.57 | jan | but i can't get access to the files on it |
| 21:30.59 | jan | :/ |
| 21:31.08 | jan | can someone help me? |
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| 21:32.01 | jhutchins_lt | jan: What have you tried so far? |
| 21:32.47 | puty | wols_ u mean boot.img.gz? |
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| 21:34.26 | wols_ | jan: how did you mount the hdd? |
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| 21:35.53 | lontra | hi i am dumbfounded ... i can't seem to create a bootable usb device to install debian from. i've tried unetbootin, ] [ zorrolero ] |
| 21:36.06 | lontra | http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/i386/ch04s04.html.en and i get a boot error |
| 21:36.16 | helo | anyone know how many times 'fuck' appears in all of the source code for debian's packages? |
| 21:36.50 | puty | http://www.debian-administration.org/article/Boot_Debian_from_an_USB_device |
| 21:37.19 | lontra | puty: that's exactly how i did it |
| 21:37.33 | lontra | and it says 'boot error' |
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| 21:40.26 | puty | if u make correctly all steps should be work |
| 21:40.45 | lontra | well i have i've done it several times and it always tells me 'boot error' |
| 21:41.21 | puty | what about usb stick? |
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| 21:41.43 | lontra | i've tried several different usbs :( |
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| 21:42.19 | puty | u tried different pc? |
| 21:42.28 | lontra | i know i can boot usbs here |
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| 21:43.08 | vlt | Hello. How to set the "Disk identifier" fdisk -l prints? Must be located somewhere around partition table. Is there a tool that can do this? |
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| 21:43.51 | puty | may be usb boot problem try different pc |
| 21:44.34 | StefanNET | Ok like this some idiot do something with server server is up but cant connecte |
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| 21:45.47 | StefanNET | i cant connect on server -.- |
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| 21:46.17 | puty | lontra boot.img file and iso file must be from the same server |
| 21:46.26 | _ke | does anyone have an debian init script for dbndns/djbdns ? |
| 21:46.30 | jhutchins_lt | vlt: I don't think that's user controlled. |
| 21:47.28 | vlt | jhutchins_lt: When I fill my first 63*512 bytes with 0x00, the Disk identifier is 0x00000000 too |
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| 21:47.46 | jhutchins_lt | vlt: Then I must be wrong. |
| 21:47.48 | vlt | jhutchins_lt: So it must be somewhere in that area |
| 21:47.53 | jhutchins_lt | Yep. |
| 21:48.17 | vlt | jhutchins_lt: Maybe I should fill a random pattern and then grep ... |
| 21:48.25 | jhutchins_lt | Well, obviously read that area and grep for the string. |
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| 21:49.30 | jan | i've done 'mount /dev/sdb1 /media/disk |
| 21:49.33 | jan | ' |
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| 21:53.22 | frostschutz | vlt: dd if=/dev/disk bs=1 skip=$[0x1b8] count=4 | hexdump -C |
| 21:53.28 | wols_ | jan: is it a ntfs formatted partition? |
| 21:54.13 | frostschutz | vlt: it's randomly generated when you make a new partition table I think, similar to filesystem uuids |
| 21:54.17 | vlt | frostschutz: Yes, just found it using hexdump |
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| 21:54.53 | vlt | frostschutz: 0x1b8 to 0x1bb in reverse order |
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| 21:55.11 | vlt | frostschutz: Or is this little endian 32bit notation? |
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| 21:56.01 | frostschutz | vlt: maybe... ;) why do you need to change this? |
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| 21:57.44 | vlt | frostschutz: I'm lookng for a quick way to identify the disk |
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| 21:59.17 | jan | wols_: i'm not sure :/ |
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| 21:59.35 | frostschutz | vlt: doesn't one usually use /dev/disk/by-*/ for that? ;) |
| 21:59.36 | jan | i bought it and just saved my ubuntu-home |
| 21:59.48 | jan | because i wanted to try debian |
| 22:00.17 | jan | there is even a lot of windows-back-up-crap on it |
| 22:00.28 | jan | it was inclusive..... |
| 22:00.43 | vlt | frostschutz: Does this still work if I take the disk and plug it into another machine? |
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| 22:01.29 | frostschutz | vlt: the by-id one, yes |
| 22:01.45 | frostschutz | vlt: if it contains the serial number of the disk, anyhow |
| 22:01.56 | puty | I installed debian as a windows server 2003 client to server backups. I mounted network folders to local for backup with rsync. is bad or really bad?:-) |
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| 22:03.33 | frostschutz | puty: i.e. you make backups of windows with a debian backup server? |
| 22:03.52 | vlt | frostschutz: Ok, that sounds even more reliable than the randomly genrated Identifier. Thanks |
| 22:03.58 | puty | no |
| 22:04.09 | frostschutz | other way around would be really really bad |
| 22:04.14 | puty | i make backup of folders |
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| 22:04.34 | puty | is windows 2003 server |
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| 22:05.10 | puty | debian is client |
| 22:05.32 | hacker_kid | btw Sinemmm` is an on-join troll |
| 22:05.37 | puty | make backup of share folders in lan |
| 22:05.58 | frostschutz | vlt: another solution would be actually putting a filesystem on it, with a unique identifier file, and then mounting everything read-only and looking for this file - I believe this is how Ubuntu Live CD finds its data |
| 22:06.04 | puty | frostschutz do u understand ? |
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| 22:06.41 | frostschutz | puty: no, but if you store linux files on windows filesystems you probably lose ownership/permission info so you should encapsulate this in a tar archive or similar |
| 22:07.05 | puty | no no |
| 22:07.24 | hacker_kid | but to the point. im trying to use apt-cacher for the standard repos because im installing the same system many times but when running aptitude update the first half of the files download then the reset get a 403 sorry not allowed to fetch that type of file, im pretty much using the default settings |
| 22:07.27 | puty | i store windows file in linux |
| 22:07.46 | puty | debian is client |
| 22:08.02 | vlt | frostschutz: No, the disks are used as parts of RAID arrays. I'd have to create a small extra partition ... I think the /dev/by-id way is what I'm looking for. |
| 22:08.10 | frostschutz | puty: there's probably no problem with that, then. BackupPC is a nice solution for that though |
| 22:08.27 | puty | i think that |
| 22:08.39 | frostschutz | vlt: if the disks are formatted with raid headers they should have uuids actually |
| 22:08.50 | puty | I wanted to know if it's okay |
| 22:09.01 | puty | or is some better solucion |
| 22:09.57 | puty | ofcource i got a tape and raid system working |
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| 22:16.07 | radius | ops please verify - thank you |
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| 22:17.07 | wols_ | !ops onjoin ads |
| 22:17.07 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: wols_ complains about: onjoin ads |
| 22:17.57 | radius | wols_, do i paste what i get when i join #debian? |
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| 22:18.11 | wols_ | radius: no need |
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| 22:18.29 | radius | wols_, thanks |
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| 22:19.57 | jhutchins_lt | I don't seem to get that stuff. |
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| 22:20.08 | wols_ | cause he's already been k-lined? |
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| 22:20.58 | jhutchins_lt | Quick work. |
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| 22:44.01 | HardDisk_WP | hey |
| 22:44.08 | HardDisk_WP | is it possible for apt-get upgrade |
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| 22:44.24 | HardDisk_WP | to display the current and target versions of each pkg? |
| 22:45.25 | fbh | I think apt-show-versions can do that, you need to install it |
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| 22:46.27 | fbh | HardDisk_WP: yeah it does: libkrb53/lenny upgradeable from 1.6.dfsg.4~beta1-5lenny3 to 1.6.dfsg.4~beta1-5lenny4 |
| 22:46.40 | HardDisk_WP | thanks |
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| 22:47.27 | wols_ | HardDisk_WP: apt-cache policy <package> |
| 22:48.07 | HardDisk_WP | apt-show-versions -u is what I need, by the looks of it |
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| 23:26.32 | dutchfish | Psi-Jack: http://www.debian-administration.org/article/Aggregating_network_interfaces |
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| 23:29.06 | dutchfish | Psi-Jack: for more IP's i normally enslave the bond to a bridge |
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| 23:31.53 | axolx | can i run shell tests remotely via SSH? like ssh myhost 'test -f file.txt' ? if so, how can i assess locally whether the test returned true or false? |
| 23:32.10 | pipeline | axolx: the same way you would normally |
| 23:32.19 | pipeline | axolx: e.g. echo ?$ |
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| 23:32.28 | axolx | pipeline: sorry, im kind of a noob at shell scripting |
| 23:33.02 | axolx | pipeline: like this: ssh myhost 'test -f file.txt && echo ?$'? |
| 23:33.22 | Cirno-chan | what |
| 23:33.30 | Cirno-chan | test -f file.txt; echo ?$ |
| 23:34.17 | axolx | Cirno-chan: that just echos ?$ |
| 23:34.25 | Cirno-chan | Erm |
| 23:34.26 | axolx | im using sh btw |
| 23:34.43 | Cirno-chan | test -f file.txt; echo $? |
| 23:34.43 | Cirno-chan | >> |
| 23:34.43 | Cirno-chan | << |
| 23:34.44 | axolx | Cirno-chan: that did it |
| 23:34.44 | Cirno-chan | *facepalm* |
| 23:34.46 | Cirno-chan | *facedesk* |
| 23:34.54 | axolx | pipeline: Cirno-chan: thanks! |
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| 23:35.42 | fpbgnsbb | if anyone is feeling really nice, I have 5 screenshots I'm deciding between for a client and would like a quick response to the bottom of the survey if anyone has 30 seconds - http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/Q7W3SS7 - It's just 5 pictures a comment box. |
| 23:35.56 | pipeline | axolx: no you can echo locally |
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| 23:39.05 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 23:41.07 | dutchfish | jgboski, i fixed it, g19linux and libs are happely compiling, and i fixed to usb kernel module too and i post soon (it was all related to dash not the daemon). chears. |
| 23:41.16 | dutchfish | sorry xpost |
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| 23:47.04 | axolx | still having problems testing for a file via SSH. ssh myhost "test -d file; echo $?" echoes 0, but if i run test -d file; echo $? on myhost, it echoes 1 |
| 23:47.12 | axolx | why would that be? |
| 23:47.42 | rudi_s | Use single quotes. ... 'test -d file; echo $?' |
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| 23:47.52 | rudi_s | Otherwise $? is replaced before you connect to the server. |
| 23:48.26 | jelly-home | also, test -d file || echo it failed |
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| 23:49.27 | jelly-home | or test -d dir && echo success |
| 23:49.49 | axolx | jelly-home: thanks. i like that. i hate dealing with variable interpolation and that avoids it :) |
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| 23:53.46 | Mkop1 | I'm trying to install debian on an old computer, and am getting stuck with "There was a problem reading data from the CD-ROM... bla bla bla". The drive clearly works as I've gotten to this stage, but I'm not sure why it's not progressing further. |
| 23:54.36 | avar | did you try to run an md5sum of the cd from the burned cd? |
| 23:54.51 | Cypriot | try to use minimal cd iso |
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| 23:56.31 | Mkop1 | avar: how can I run an md5sum of the cd? I know how to do it for the iso, but not for a CD |
| 23:56.50 | Cirno-chan | I assume md5sum *block device for cd here* |
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| 23:57.52 | nima_ | Excel files with what program can be opened in Debian |
| 23:58.25 | Mkop1 | hmm, I can't find the md5sum for the bitorrent download |
| 23:58.32 | abrotman | nima_: openoffice calc, or gnumeric |
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| 23:59.21 | nima_ | abrotman, Excel files with what program can be opened with the extension in Debian .ods |
| 23:59.39 | abrotman | nima_: that's not excel? isn't that an openoffice document? |
| 23:59.59 | abrotman | nima_: so `aptitude install openoffice` |