| 00:00.15 | abrotman | erm |
| 00:00.16 | abrotman | nima_: so `aptitude install openoffice.org` |
| 00:00.34 | nima_ | abrotman, i dont no the format of file ods and i cant open it |
| 00:01.10 | abrotman | i just told you |
| 00:01.26 | nima_ | abrotman, tnx man |
| 00:02.02 | nima_ | abrotman, i need learn more about GNU/Linux |
| 00:02.09 | avar | Mkop1: that, or md5sum -c MD5SUMS or something with the cd mounted |
| 00:02.11 | nima_ | abrotman, im amator |
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| 00:02.23 | abrotman | !tell nima_ about grounding |
| 00:02.32 | Mkop1 | avar: that assumes I have a linux system running already |
| 00:02.52 | shazbotmcnasty | !tell shazbotmcnasty about grounding |
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| 00:03.03 | avar | Mkop1: nope, just a system with md5sum |
| 00:03.08 | Mkop1 | well, I just restarted the install, and it loaded a few things from the CD, but got stuck on e2fsprogs-udeb again. |
| 00:03.22 | kself | shazbotmcnasty: /msg the bots, don't self-tell |
| 00:03.25 | Mkop1 | probably means I need to reburn |
| 00:04.00 | Mkop1 | do I necessarily need e2fsprogs? |
| 00:05.01 | kself | Mkop1: if you plan on creating or resizing ext2/3 filesystems, they're quite handy. |
| 00:05.31 | Mkop1 | ext3 is included in e2fsprogs? |
| 00:05.42 | kself | Mkop1: You can md5sum a CD directly from the device, though this may vary from the ISO: md5sum /dev/cdrom |
| 00:06.02 | kself | Mkop1: Yes, ext2, ext3, ext4. |
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| 00:06.06 | Mkop1 | ok |
| 00:06.54 | kself | notes that 5 shall not be the count, and 1 is right out. |
| 00:08.10 | Mkop1 | as is 2 |
| 00:08.22 | Mkop1 | unless you're on the way to ext3 or ext4, right? |
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| 00:09.16 | kself | Mkop1: It's a riff on an old Monty Python joke. Holy Hand Grenade. |
| 00:09.31 | Mkop1 | kself: yes, I know. I was continuing the riff. |
| 00:10.00 | kself | OK. Sometimes I lose foreigners and youth w/ my jokes ;-) |
| 00:10.22 | Mkop1 | "Four shalt thou not count, neither count thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to three. Five is right out." |
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| 00:11.09 | kself | Right. Except that in filesystems, 4 works, yadda, yadda. For my next joke I'll compare reiserfs to a pile of earthquake rubble. |
| 00:12.24 | Mkop1 | "ext5 shalt thou not count, neither count thou ext2, excepting that thou then proceed to ext3 or ext4. ext6 is right out." |
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| 00:13.14 | kself | Well, I fudged it a bit saying 5 shall not be the count (not invented yet, likely be bttrfs), and ext1 never really existed (ext but only briefly). |
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| 00:13.26 | kself | Explaining jokes: see dissecting frogs. |
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| 00:13.43 | Mkop1 | frogs are cooler. |
| 00:14.06 | kself | talking frogs are kinda neat. |
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| 00:16.02 | Bravewolf | Does debian-install install also "recommends" packages when no tasksel option is selected? |
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| 00:17.46 | wols_ | Bravewolf: if no tasksel option is selected nothing is installed at all... |
| 00:17.58 | wols_ | by default, aptitude/apt-get after installation will install recommends |
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| 00:20.22 | tharkun | what is the command to look into files a package has? |
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| 00:20.43 | abrotman | tharkun: apt-file |
| 00:20.57 | kself | tharkun: dpkg -L <package> |
| 00:21.08 | Bravewolf | wols_: even no base system? (e.g. kernel, dpkg, apt, shell). however you said that the "recommends" are installed only AFTER the installation and this is the important fact |
| 00:21.36 | kself | tharkun: abrotman's answer works for packages not yet installed, also has the best "what package has foo file that I need" find tool. |
| 00:21.41 | tharkun | abrotman: thx, apt-file was not on my system but dkpg wasa |
| 00:21.42 | Bushmills | tharkun: installed packages? or any package? |
| 00:21.43 | wols_ | base system has no "recommends". it's the base system... |
| 00:21.51 | kself | tharkun: If it's not there, install it. |
| 00:21.55 | tharkun | kself: you did the trick |
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| 00:22.11 | abrotman | tharkun: you can use 'dpkg -L' for packages that are installed |
| 00:22.20 | kself | prefers being the trick to doing it.... |
| 00:23.18 | tharkun | abrotman: thx i did have the package installed |
| 00:23.25 | abrotman | okay |
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| 00:24.16 | tharkun | Bushmills: thx also, btw the how to iss nice |
| 00:24.33 | Bushmills | hope it addresses your needs |
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| 00:24.52 | tharkun | Well it will not hurt to read a little :) |
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| 00:29.31 | man_in_shack | waves |
| 00:29.46 | man_in_shack | how do you tell debhepler to use make -j? |
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| 00:32.08 | djura-san | im off. have a nice chat and nice time :) |
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| 00:58.25 | jalalsfs | Hi |
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| 01:00.54 | jalalsfs | I want to upgrade my kernel, How can I do by apt-get? |
| 01:01.53 | fbh | apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade |
| 01:01.59 | fbh | if there is a kernel update it should show up |
| 01:02.30 | jalalsfs | No, I use lenny. |
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| 01:02.36 | jalalsfs | No upgrade. |
| 01:02.42 | abrotman | jalalsfs: aptitude update && aptitude safe-upgrade .. there was a kernel update today |
| 01:02.45 | abrotman | or last night |
| 01:02.56 | abrotman | jalalsfs: put your sources.list in a pastebin |
| 01:03.03 | jalalsfs | I want use the last version. |
| 01:03.09 | fbh | I just upgraded to linux-image-2.6.26-2-amd64 |
| 01:03.09 | abrotman | last version? |
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| 01:03.22 | abrotman | fbh: that's not really the version |
| 01:04.09 | jalalsfs | http://pastebin.org/281177 |
| 01:06.11 | jalalsfs | abrotman: http://pastebin.org/281177 |
| 01:06.46 | abrotman | jalalsfs: what is your current 'uname -r' ? |
| 01:07.16 | jalalsfs | 2.6.26-2-686 |
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| 01:08.43 | abrotman | jalalsfs: aptitude update && aptitude install linux-image-686 |
| 01:08.45 | abrotman | does that do anything ? |
| 01:09.42 | man_in_shack | hm |
| 01:09.52 | man_in_shack | is there a way to prevent dh_auto_build from running autoconf? |
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| 01:21.48 | jalalsfs | abrotman: I'm sorry, I'm late. Nothing happened. |
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| 01:23.32 | abrotman | jalalsfs: dpkg -l linux-image-686 .. what version is it ? |
| 01:24.36 | jalalsfs | linux-image-68 2.6.26+17+lenn |
| 01:24.51 | jalalsfs | I want 2.6.34 |
| 01:26.03 | jalalsfs | I want upgrade is by the easiest way, From aptitude. |
| 01:27.22 | Mkop | what's the deal with aptitude vs. apt-get? Is there a difference? (I'm a trasitioning Ubuntu user, if that makes a difference to the explanation) |
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| 01:33.04 | SuperMiguel | for a netbook what u guys recommend XFCE or LXDE? |
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| 01:46.05 | Skeeter- | wats the best encryption beside cryptsetup??? |
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| 01:47.34 | Skeeter- | ??? |
| 01:48.32 | civillian | Skeeter-, For best results don't send it over the internet |
| 01:49.05 | Skeeter- | civillian, wat do you mean? |
| 01:49.38 | civillian | oh it's disk encryption - I thought you meant IP transport encryption :P |
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| 01:49.47 | Skeeter- | lol |
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| 01:50.27 | Skeeter- | ur option seems interesting |
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| 01:50.33 | Skeeter- | but and u help on the first one? |
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| 01:50.54 | xota | hi! anybody knows how can I ser my cursor X,Y from a console? |
| 01:51.03 | xota | s/ser/set |
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| 01:51.36 | civillian | Skeeter-, I'm not a user of disk based encryption really |
| 01:51.57 | Gnewt | Who can tell me what's wrong with my terminal prompt? I know I have to escape the color codes but I can't see where I'm failing. export PS1='\[\e[1;31m\]\u@\h\[\033[00m\]:\[\033[01;34m\]\w\]\[\e[1;31m\]\$\[\e[0m\] ' |
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| 01:54.43 | aitiba_ | hi |
| 01:54.49 | aitiba_ | i have problems with apt-pitting |
| 01:55.42 | aitiba_ | I would to have the packages updates form backports. to do that I do what the backports page say: http://pastebin.com/UY2qR16t but I get dependency error with iceweasel and xulrunner,openoffice and pidgin |
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| 01:59.51 | compaq | hi, I am having a little trouble with video, it is coming out too much hue |
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| 02:02.29 | abrotman | compaq: are you running debian or elive? |
| 02:03.12 | compaq | abrotman, I gave up on elive, along with compiz, cairo-dock, and even compositing with metacity |
| 02:04.29 | compaq | abrotman, I can make it ok with mplayer, by changing drivers to gl driver, but how do I do it for totem. Also, i am worried it will crash my system, cause I remember having the same trouble with e17 on debian, when I switched to gl driver just the same, and my system started crashing |
| 02:05.02 | compaq | abrotman, actually, I think I should mention, I installed mplayer, and then I went to mplayer website, and upgraded by installing mplayer again. I am not sure which is safer |
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| 02:05.31 | abrotman | and this has what to do with debian ? |
| 02:06.45 | compaq | hmmm, not sure where else I would be better advised. It is not video player specific, or desktop specific, it happen in gnome, and e17, and then with mplayer and totem. |
| 02:07.05 | compaq | I installed ffmpeg, and w32codec, maybe there is something else too |
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| 02:18.59 | kisisten | hi guys, in softraid, is it prefered to have /boot as a separate partition? |
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| 02:20.45 | Gnudoll | Why would enabling the IDE drive in my system make grub suddenly unable to see init on my SATA drive? |
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| 02:20.56 | Gnudoll | and is there a way around this? |
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| 02:21.18 | pipeline | Gnudoll: BIOS order is terrible. Reinstall grub, or tamper with your BIOS. |
| 02:21.21 | sed` | where can i find deb-src packages for beta nvidia drivers (the proprietary ones)? |
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| 02:22.08 | Gnudoll | I tried reinstalling Grub from the rescue disk |
| 02:22.20 | Gnudoll | no go |
| 02:22.22 | seeker38 | how much hd is needed for lenny |
| 02:23.36 | Gnudoll | how would I tamper with the bios? |
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| 02:25.12 | Gnudoll | I also tried editing the boot line in grub, but neither of the available drives (hd0 or hd1) would boot |
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| 02:47.01 | aitiba_ | sorry |
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| 02:50.38 | SuperMiguel | does debian support SSD Trim? |
| 02:51.54 | amartinenco | Hello, I have a question? For some reason after my home server was offline for about 3 weeks my mysql server just fails to start. What can be the problem? |
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| 02:52.52 | amartinenco | anyone? |
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| 02:56.14 | webPragmatist | by default does samba shares share the home dirs? |
| 02:56.27 | webPragmatist | that's what it seems but i'm not sure |
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| 02:57.38 | mnuhmnuh | amartinenco: checked the logs? |
| 02:58.40 | mnuhmnuh | amartinenco: /var/log/mysql, orsumfin? |
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| 03:13.24 | SuperMiguel | whats a light gui to connect to a wireless network |
| 03:14.00 | pipeline | SuperMiguel: all of the GUIs are based on network-manager. Network-manager is, by and large, a buggy piece of shit. It doesn't really matter what front-end you use to talk to it. |
| 03:14.20 | pipeline | SuperMiguel: p.s. the command-line tools, wpa_supplicant and iwconfig, are not very user friendly. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. |
| 03:15.38 | SuperMiguel | lol |
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| 03:35.14 | Nai-ux2 | i'm trying to "make" compile something but this is the error I can't get past, do i need another package installed or module loaded? http://scsys.co.uk:8002/44029 |
| 03:37.06 | SuperMiguel | pipeline, is there a way to scan if there are networks around, while using the command line? |
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| 03:39.13 | nomasteryoda | oh so gotta love me Debian... |
| 03:40.01 | nomasteryoda | and having a newer google chrome than the latest release... 6.0.408.1 dev |
| 03:40.23 | zcat[1] | Bus 001 Device 002: ID 03f0:5811 Hewlett-Packard PhotoSmart C5100 series --- How do I make this work in debian? |
| 03:40.39 | zcat[1] | (scanning, at least.. it comes up as a pritner ok) |
| 03:41.02 | nomasteryoda | what does xsane say? |
| 03:41.23 | zcat[1] | no scanner available |
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| 03:41.44 | zcat[1] | sorry, "no devices available" |
| 03:42.55 | zcat[1] | Hmm, works if I run xsane as root, so it's a permission thing... |
| 03:43.09 | nomasteryoda | ah |
| 03:43.12 | nomasteryoda | there ya go |
| 03:44.06 | zcat[1] | Well, I'll just log out and back in I think.. |
| 03:44.19 | CoJaBo-Aztec | LOL did debhelper really just tell the paste bot to go use itself? xD |
| 03:44.37 | nomasteryoda | lol |
| 03:44.42 | CoJaBo-Aztec | Botfights FTW xD |
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| 03:46.39 | nomasteryoda | i tell ya, i think having so many channels open is going to cause me to switch to the side tabs.. and i've used xchat with horizontal for years |
| 03:47.20 | nomasteryoda | weird |
| 03:47.24 | CoJaBo-Aztec | lol |
| 03:47.38 | nomasteryoda | oh, but this one has a "tree' view |
| 03:47.41 | nomasteryoda | nice |
| 03:47.58 | CoJaBo-Aztec | I have so many tabs open in irssi, I cant access them all with keybroad shirtcuts :/ |
| 03:48.04 | nomasteryoda | 2.8.6 |
| 03:48.10 | nomasteryoda | wow |
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| 03:49.11 | nomasteryoda | hehe... now I might put ubuntu back on the list... nah too much noise |
| 03:49.36 | nomasteryoda | daveyates convinced me to switch back to Debian |
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| 03:50.03 | CoJaBo-Aztec | Debian convinced me to switch back to Ubuntu lol |
| 03:50.10 | nomasteryoda | hehe |
| 03:50.12 | nomasteryoda | wow |
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| 03:50.24 | mnuhmnuh | CoJaBo-Aztec: ALT[1-N]? |
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| 03:50.45 | CoJaBo-Aztec | irssi only goues up to alt+o. |
| 03:50.47 | SuperMiguel | is there a way to scan if there are networks around(wireless), while using the command line? |
| 03:51.11 | simonrvn | is almost done fixing a sweetgrass basket |
| 03:51.25 | nomasteryoda | i've got Debian Squeeze - apt pinned, win7, ubuntu 10.04 and fedora 12 on this laptop |
| 03:52.25 | simonrvn | !iwlist |
| 03:52.25 | nomasteryoda | but been locking myself into Debian now for about 2 weeks |
| 03:52.25 | simonrvn | !iwconfig |
| 03:52.25 | dpkg | The wireless-tools package provides utilities for manipulating Linux Wireless Extensions, including iwconfig and iwlist. It also provides wireless-* ifupdown hooks to /etc/network/interfaces, read /usr/share/doc/wireless-tools/README.Debian for more information. To connect to networks which use WPA encryption, ask me about <wpa>. |
| 03:52.25 | nomasteryoda | SuperMiguel, you can also use the excellent program kismet |
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| 03:52.25 | aburch | Isn't iwconfig/iwlist/... replaced by iw nowadays? |
| 03:52.28 | simonrvn | or wicd |
| 03:52.43 | CoJaBo-Aztec | wicd ftw |
| 03:53.02 | nomasteryoda | ya ... but wicd doesn't make the cool sounds that kismet does... esp if you've got festival installed |
| 03:53.04 | nomasteryoda | =D |
| 03:53.33 | nomasteryoda | but that said, wicd FTW if you do not use tethering or a 3g chip |
| 03:53.58 | nomasteryoda | if you do, then network-manager is required... but it's got a console version now too |
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| 04:03.17 | magnux | Hello everyone |
| 04:09.18 | initq | allo |
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| 04:12.49 | guevolt | Hi |
| 04:13.22 | guevolt | How can i restrict the user access only to your /home using the bash ? Is it possible/ |
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| 04:23.46 | tabris | guevolt: you can do '/bin/rbash' instead, and they cannot cd to absolute paths |
| 04:23.54 | tabris | guevolt: but a) it's annoying b) it's easy to bypass |
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| 04:27.02 | guevolt | tabris: Ok. but the /bin/rbash is a link symbolic to /bin/bash |
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| 04:27.12 | tabris | yes, it is. but it really does act different |
| 04:27.13 | tabris | trust me |
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| 04:27.34 | guevolt | tabris: really? :) |
| 04:28.10 | tabris | guevolt: like how busybox is one exec that can play many roles, bash can do the same thing for bash vs rbash (and i think you can even make bash mostly posix-like if you try hard enough) |
| 04:28.19 | Gnudoll | OK, I have tried reinstalling grub using whatever configuration I can think of. . . |
| 04:28.24 | tabris | guevolt: it is bash... but it is a _restrictive_ bash |
| 04:28.48 | Gnudoll | every time I enable the IDE drive, I get a kernel panic that it cannot find init. |
| 04:28.53 | guevolt | ok. How can i set the rbash as default for all useus that I will create? |
| 04:29.10 | Gnudoll | when I disable the drive, I'm just fine |
| 04:29.31 | tabris | guevolt: eris:/etc/default# less useradd |
| 04:29.42 | tabris | guevolt: note that you can make the default shell something other than /bin/sh |
| 04:30.20 | Gnudoll | I read teh grub manual, and that was of no help at all. . . |
| 04:30.43 | Gnudoll | does anyone here have a way around this? |
| 04:30.46 | guevolt | tabris: The sh do i better? |
| 04:30.47 | tabris | Gnudoll: if it cannot find init (but it can load the kernel), it's probably not grub's fault |
| 04:31.05 | guevolt | tabris: better than bash |
| 04:31.05 | tabris | guevolt: /bin/sh is usually a symlink. on new boxes it's -> /bin/dash. on older ones, /bin/bash |
| 04:31.16 | tabris | Gnudoll: try changing out the line for root=/dev/foo |
| 04:31.44 | tabris | Gnudoll: in particular if you know that the root fs has a disklabel, it often works to say root=/dev/disk/by-label/<label> (no, don't include the <>) |
| 04:31.56 | guevolt | tabris: really the /bin/sh is a link to /bin/bash |
| 04:32.05 | tabris | guevolt: i believe i mentioned that |
| 04:32.14 | guevolt | tabris: :) |
| 04:32.28 | tabris | guevolt: so if you want /bin/rbash to be default for new users, try making the line in /etc/defaults/useradd that mentions /bin/sh and make it /bin/rbash |
| 04:33.15 | tabris | guevolt: note how it also references DSHELL, but i dunno where that var lives. |
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| 04:33.25 | Gnudoll | tabris: I'll try that again. . . |
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| 04:35.23 | tabris | guevolt: looks like DSHELL is in /etc/adduser.conf |
| 04:35.40 | guevolt | tabris: now i need to do it with the proftpd. do you know the line that do it ? |
| 04:36.07 | tabris | assuming you're trying to change an _existent_ user, that's in /etc/passwd |
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| 04:36.29 | guevolt | tabris: yes. i already did it. |
| 04:36.43 | guevolt | tabris: DSHELL var in adduser.conf is /bin/bash |
| 04:36.58 | tabris | so make it rbash. |
| 04:37.37 | guevolt | tabris: Does the /etc/default/adduser is not enough ? |
| 04:39.37 | tabris | guevolt: what are you trying to do? |
| 04:39.50 | tabris | are you trying to change the default for new users, or change the default shell for one user? |
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| 04:40.18 | tabris | guevolt: also note that there are TWO add-user scripts. useradd (which has a config file in /etc/default/useradd) and adduser (/etc/adduser.conf) |
| 04:40.23 | guevolt | tabris: both |
| 04:40.28 | tabris | guevolt: some tools will use one, some tools will use another. |
| 04:40.37 | guevolt | tabris: yep. i already did it. worked well. |
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| 04:41.00 | tabris | guevolt: to change it for a _specific_ user, then modify /etc/passwd for the user |
| 04:41.02 | guevolt | tabris: now i'm trying to do the same thing to the proftpd |
| 04:41.34 | tabris | albeit it's worth asking why are you changing the shell for proftpd, when the user is not using the shell |
| 04:41.37 | tabris | they're using proftpd |
| 04:42.23 | guevolt | tabris: DefaultRoot ~ |
| 04:42.30 | guevolt | tabris: worked. |
| 04:43.07 | guevolt | tabris: do you know a company that offer services about security in server? |
| 04:43.19 | tabris | no, can't say I do. |
| 04:43.58 | guevolt | tabris: humm.. ok. What about a person that do it ?Do you know ? |
| 04:44.37 | tabris | i know a guy who might help if the money is right.i can't promise he will, but he is pretty good. |
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| 04:45.19 | guevolt | tabris: what about the trust? |
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| 04:45.32 | tabris | guevolt: he's my flatmate. |
| 04:45.36 | tabris | make of that what you will. |
| 04:45.54 | Gnudoll | fails agan. . . |
| 04:46.14 | Gnudoll | there are two lines to edit. . . |
| 04:46.41 | Gnudoll | one is "root (hd0,0)" |
| 04:46.49 | tabris | Gnudoll: that part probably won't change. |
| 04:46.59 | Gnudoll | and the other one describes teh root fs |
| 04:47.00 | tabris | Gnudoll: esp sine that only specifies for the bootloader, not the kernel. |
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| 04:47.52 | tabris | Gnudoll: if that still doesn't work, you need to check that the necessary driver is available in your initrd. |
| 04:47.58 | Gnudoll | it keeps tellng me to pass init= to the kernel. . . |
| 04:48.00 | tabris | Gnudoll: fwiw, debian is usually good about that |
| 04:48.33 | Gnudoll | when I load the rescue dis. . . . |
| 04:48.39 | Gnudoll | Oh damn |
| 04:48.56 | Gnudoll | let me check my .config. . . |
| 04:49.02 | Gnudoll | sigh |
| 04:49.10 | Gnudoll | thanks tabris |
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| 04:50.33 | tabris | guevolt: look for greeneg, or email greeneg(at)tolharadys.net |
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| 06:09.02 | jpinx-eeepc | aqpparently I need to install a kernel later than 2.6.26 as in lenny to make my USB wifi adaptor work. What's the best way to do this? |
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| 06:11.16 | breedx | so squeeze nightly from a couple nights ago, on a T410 with wired Intel 82577LM, AMT disabled in bios, dhcp on boot apparently works fine, but renewing is borked. sudo ifdown eth0 works fine, but then sudo ifup eth0 results in no DHCPOFFERS received. Any ideas? |
| 06:12.02 | simonrvn | jpinx-eeepc: bpo dude |
| 06:12.43 | jpinx-eeepc | can't find anything there that shows in aptitude show |
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| 06:13.19 | simonrvn | ,names *linux-image* |
| 06:13.32 | judd | *linux-image* in lenny/i386: linux-image-2.6.26-2-486 2.6.26-21; linux-image-2.6.26-2-686 2.6.26-21; linux-image-2.6.26-2-686-bigmem 2.6.26-21; linux-image-2.6.26-2-amd64 2.6.26-21; linux-image-2.6.26-2-openvz-686 2.6.26-21; linux-image-2.6.26-2-vserver-686 2.6.26-21; linux-image-2.6.26-2-vserver-686-bigmem 2.6.26-21; linux-image-2.6.26-2-xen-686 2.6.26-21; linux-image-2.6-486 2.6.26+17+lenny1; (2 more messages) |
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| 06:13.42 | breedx | there's something up with avahi too -- after (successful) boot ifconfig shows the simple eth0 and lo, after attempting (and failing!) renewal, ifconfig shows eth0 with no addy and eth0:avahi with the old magical 169.254.9.145. |
| 06:13.46 | simonrvn | ,more |
| 06:13.47 | judd | linux-image-2.6-686 2.6.26+17+lenny1; linux-image-2.6-686-bigmem 2.6.26+17+lenny1; linux-image-2.6-amd64 2.6.26+17+lenny1; linux-image-2.6-k7 2.6.26+17+lenny1; linux-image-2.6-openvz-686 2.6.26+17+lenny1; linux-image-2.6-vserver-686 2.6.26+17+lenny1; linux-image-2.6-vserver-686-bigmem 2.6.26+17+lenny1; linux-image-2.6-xen-686 2.6.26+17+lenny1; linux-image-486 2.6.26+17+lenny1; linux-image-686 (1 more message) |
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| 06:14.11 | simonrvn | ,more |
| 06:14.12 | judd | 2.6.26+17+lenny1; linux-image-686-bigmem 2.6.26+17+lenny1; linux-image-amd64 2.6.26+17+lenny1; linux-image-k7 2.6.26+17+lenny1; linux-image-openvz-686 2.6.26+17+lenny1; linux-image-vserver-686 2.6.26+17+lenny1; linux-image-vserver-686-bigmem 2.6.26+17+lenny1; linux-image-xen-686 2.6.26+17+lenny1 |
| 06:14.25 | simonrvn | breedx: sounds like network-manager ... |
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| 06:14.42 | simonrvn | purges that thing if he sees it installed |
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| 06:15.11 | breedx | simonrvn: this is a minimal install at the moment, no network-manager. |
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| 06:15.17 | simonrvn | wtf |
| 06:15.30 | jpinx-eeepc | really confusing - some say kernel-image and others say linux-image ! thanks simonrvn |
| 06:16.14 | simonrvn | kernel-image is the old name. used in etch iirc |
| 06:16.29 | Ickarus | hi, the eclipse out of the debian testing sources stops at the splashscreen, the window is named ".", but this is only on my laptop, is there a knowen bug? (if i kill java it shutsdown) |
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| 06:17.00 | simonrvn | the eclipse in debian is borked ime |
| 06:17.26 | jpinx-eeepc | simonrvn: whatÅ the bigmem thing? |
| 06:18.22 | Ickarus | simonrvn, borked means? im not a nativ english speaker |
| 06:18.34 | simonrvn | 4 or 8+ GB RAM iirc |
| 06:18.37 | jpinx-eeepc | Ickarus: broken |
| 06:18.39 | simonrvn | broken |
| 06:18.45 | Ickarus | ty |
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| 06:19.10 | simonrvn | it's just jargon |
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| 06:19.26 | Ickarus | okay =) |
| 06:19.31 | jpinx-eeepc | simonrvn: ok - but otherwise am I going to destabilise my rock solid lenny with ..30 ? |
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| 06:20.33 | simonrvn | meh, .30 is plenty stable |
| 06:21.11 | jpinx-eeepc | simonrvn: andd what's the difeence between ...-i486 and ...-i686 |
| 06:21.47 | simonrvn | the second is optimised for 686+ machines |
| 06:22.14 | jpinx-eeepc | Hmm - I wonder what this eeepc is...? |
| 06:22.30 | jpinx-eeepc | what's the hardware listing command in debian? |
| 06:23.02 | nevyn | jpinx-eeepc: 686 |
| 06:23.12 | nevyn | jpinx-eeepc: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 06:23.12 | jpinx-eeepc | nevyn: ok - thanks |
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| 06:24.01 | simonrvn | jpinx-eeepc: mind pasting to me that output? i'm curious. |
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| 06:26.56 | jpinx-eeepc | simonrvn: hangon... |
| 06:29.01 | nevyn | jpinx-eeepc: pastebin. |
| 06:29.29 | jpinx-eeepc | http://pastebin.com/7wYQEZtb |
| 06:29.45 | jpinx-eeepc | simonrvn: ââ |
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| 06:32.42 | nevyn | right so it's an atom. |
| 06:33.07 | nevyn | but it is dual core atom which is vaugely cute. (for a cpu that can't re-order it's instructions that is) |
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| 06:34.35 | jpinx-eeepc | in installing the ...-686 atm |
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| 06:50.51 | dzx | heya, when does iceweasel updated? |
| 06:51.21 | dzx | im running 3.5.9 |
| 06:52.39 | jpinx-eeepc | judd: versions iceweasel |
| 06:52.40 | judd | iceweasel -- etch: 2.0.0.19-0etch1; etch-security: 2.0.0.19-0etch1; lenny: 3.0.6-3; lenny-security: 3.0.6-3; lenny-backports: 3.5.8-1~bpo50+2; sid: 3.5.9-3; squeeze: 3.5.9-3; experimental: 3.6.4~build2-1 |
| 06:52.58 | jpinx-eeepc | dzx: ââ |
| 06:53.01 | dzx | strange |
| 06:53.09 | dzx | im running testing |
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| 06:53.52 | dzx | ah that is why |
| 06:54.39 | dzx | how do i get experimental ? |
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| 06:56.07 | jpinx-eeepc | !tell dzx about ssb |
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| 06:59.19 | dzx | so its backport |
| 06:59.27 | dzx | then i'll just get firefox |
| 06:59.38 | jpinx-eeepc | simonrvn: ok - looks like ...30 installed ok - I presume i have to reboot? And if there's a failure grub will let me boot back into the old kernel? |
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| 07:00.08 | simonrvn | one of the few things you have to reboot for, yes |
| 07:01.08 | jpinx-eeepc | simonrvn: thought so - thanks :) |
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| 07:09.56 | ethanol | heh |
| 07:10.18 | ethanol | I just got back at office and was wanting to ask a question, but reading backlog I think it has already been answered. |
| 07:10.24 | ethanol | new linux-image requires a reboot :< |
| 07:10.36 | ethanol | mornin' all |
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| 07:24.13 | Elephantman | got a problem during an upgrade to lenny : http://paste.pocoo.org/show/218389/ |
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| 07:24.50 | jpinx-eeepc | Elephantman: from etch? |
| 07:24.57 | Elephantman | yes jpinx-eeepc |
| 07:25.08 | jpinx-eeepc | !etch->lenny |
| 07:25.54 | jpinx-eeepc | dpkg etch->lenny |
| 07:25.54 | dpkg | Read the release notes, ask me about <lenny release notes>. Ensure your Etch installation is up to date (aptitude update; aptitude dist-upgrade). Edit your /etc/apt/sources.list and change all non-local mentions of "etch" to "lenny". aptitude update; aptitude install aptitude; aptitude safe-upgrade; aptitude full-upgrade. Also ask me about <apt-listbugs>, <etch->lenny key>. |
| 07:25.54 | jpinx-eeepc | Elephantman: did you follow these instructions? |
| 07:25.54 | Elephantman | jpinx-eeepc: already followed that |
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| 07:27.17 | jpinx-eeepc | Elephantman: it's amd, which is outside my knowledge, sorry |
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| 07:29.07 | Arrowmaster | Elephantman: is /usr/bin mounted as read only or maybe out of space? |
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| 07:31.33 | Elephantman | Arrowmaster: not quite sure how I'd check the read only. But there's space and only partitions for / and /home, and the worked fine during the rest of the upgrade |
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| 07:32.47 | Arrowmaster | it fails there if you try again? |
| 07:33.26 | Elephantman | Arrowmaster: indeed |
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| 07:36.05 | Elephantman | Arrowmaster: would removing coreutils & re-installing the package be a good option ? |
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| 07:37.49 | Arrowmaster | Elephantman: run lsattr /usr/bin/md5sum and tell me the output |
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| 07:38.21 | Elephantman | Arrowmaster: s---ia------------ /usr/bin/md5sum |
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| 07:39.39 | Arrowmaster | run sudo chattr -i /usr/bin/md5sum |
| 07:39.45 | Arrowmaster | and try the upgrade again |
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| 07:41.13 | Elephantman | Arrowmaster: same error |
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| 07:42.22 | dondelelcaro | Elephantman: /usr/bin/md5sum shouldn't be +ias unless you've done something odd. |
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| 07:42.49 | dondelelcaro | Elephantman: that's generally a sign of a rootkit being installedd |
| 07:43.39 | Elephantman | dondelelcaro: hmm, this could be the case since system was responding badly (was the original reason for this upgrade) |
| 07:43.39 | dondelelcaro | Elephantman: unless you've specifically run chattr to change the extended attributes on those files, something is wrong, and you should suspect a rootkit |
| 07:43.51 | Elephantman | dondelelcaro: I didn't run that, for sure |
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| 07:44.13 | dondelelcaro | Elephantman: what you need to do is turn the machine off, make a backup of the disk, do an entirely new install, and restore data you need (only) from the images. |
| 07:44.39 | Elephantman | dondelelcaro: that one is gonna be hard since it's in a datacenter |
| 07:45.02 | dondelelcaro | Elephantman: well, that's what you need to do... you have remote hands, or you can have them ship you the disks, and you can ship them new ones. |
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| 07:48.07 | dondelelcaro | but you should basically assume that that machine has been compromised, and any data on it is being actively stolen or can be easily erased; until you reinstall, there's not much to be done |
| 07:49.09 | Shadur | concurs. |
| 07:50.08 | Shadur | Had an issue like that with a customer that was suddenly serving a bank phishing site somewhere on their server. They removed the site, but it turned out the exploit had left a cron job to automatically update or restore itself. |
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| 07:51.43 | Bushmills | compromised systems should be reinstalled, for those reasons |
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| 07:59.35 | CoJaBo-Aztec | lol |
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| 08:11.03 | datenritter | is there a way to install postgresql-8.4 with a different encoding than SQL_ASCII for the default tables (in testing)? |
| 08:11.22 | datenritter | it seems to break an application i want to install. must bee utf-8. |
| 08:12.01 | ethanol | #postgresql |
| 08:12.38 | datenritter | !postgresql |
| 08:12.38 | dpkg | A robust, mature and full-featured relational database implementing a large subset of <SQL>. No replication; supports views, stored procedures, triggers and several embedded languages. Packaged for Debian, be sure to read /usr/share/doc/postgresql-common/README.Debian.gz ("First steps for the impatient"). http://wiki.debian.org/PostgreSql http://postgresql.org/ #postgresql on irc.freenode.net. <phppgadmin> |
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| 08:12.50 | visitor911 | sup debianites? |
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| 08:12.54 | datenritter | ah |
| 08:12.58 | ethanol | also, table encoding can be managed inside the server instance |
| 08:13.14 | ethanol | not related to the actual install package |
| 08:13.16 | datenritter | ethanol: the page says i can drop the default and reinit the cluster |
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| 08:14.54 | ethanol | I have a feeling that cluster databases are not the same as regular databases. |
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| 08:15.01 | ethanol | but eh, whatever floats your boat |
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| 08:45.22 | paper_cc | I can't upgrade a Debian unstable installation; one of the problems is that some of the new (2.30) Gnome packages depend on (inexistent) libedataserver1.2-11 >= 2.30.1 while the right dependency seems to be libedataserver1.2-13 >= 2.30.1 (a package that does exist). Can anybody help? |
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| 08:46.59 | felix_da_catz | Is it possible to mount two drives to the same mount point? |
| 08:47.20 | paper_cc | felix_da_catz: no |
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| 08:47.38 | felix_da_catz | Humm. I didn't think so. But for some reason I have two drives mapped to /home. |
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| 08:48.11 | felix_da_catz | Its on a dedicated server but that is how they set the drives up in /etc/fstab. I don't know how or why they would have done it. |
| 08:48.37 | General_Jung | anyone knows something about ipsec and samba ? |
| 08:48.41 | felix_da_catz | I mean its not some basic level of mirroring or anything right? |
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| 08:50.02 | paper_cc | felix_da_catz: I've always seen that mounting a new device to a directory that already has something mounted to it means that the first mount is forgotten |
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| 08:51.53 | icebrain | exactly, if you force it, one of the mounts will disappear |
| 08:52.06 | OpenTokix | I have to try it =) |
| 08:52.21 | incredible | Hi, I have mounted ufs in write mode by recompiling the kernel to support UFS write. But now those writes are very slow... 121 KB/s. Any idea what to do? |
| 08:52.41 | felix_da_catz | ok good. lol. Well I was a little worried about the situation but I didn't know if there was something new in the kernel I hadn't heard about. |
| 08:53.31 | paper_cc | felix_da_catz: well, at least there isn't in 'man mount' |
| 08:53.53 | OpenTokix | It will write to the last one mounted |
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| 08:54.36 | paper_cc | can anyone say anything about the broken Gnome packages in unstable or at least direct me to a place where I can report that? |
| 08:54.37 | OpenTokix | Order top to bottom in mtab |
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| 08:55.34 | felix_da_catz | Yes, I did look in man mount and didn't see anyhting in there about it. |
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| 08:55.48 | felix_da_catz | They are not always up to date though. |
| 08:55.53 | rvsjoen | !bug |
| 08:55.54 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges |
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| 08:57.37 | jpinx-eeepc | simonrvn: epic fail :( |
| 08:58.11 | jpinx-eeepc | is back on ...26 |
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| 08:58.22 | ornia | If I am putting drives into RAID-6 with mdadm, should they have partition tables? |
| 08:58.26 | felix_da_catz | thanks guys! |
| 08:58.34 | ornia | I have some drives with partition tables, and some new ones that are not. |
| 08:58.39 | ornia | In all cases there are no partitions |
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| 08:58.54 | ornia | so it is only /dev/sda and /dev/sdb, etc. and there are no sda1 or sdb1's |
| 08:59.27 | OpenTokix | ornia: Create partitions with parted? |
| 08:59.30 | rvsjoen | you format and create a file system on the logical volume after creating the raid |
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| 08:59.41 | OpenTokix | oh, sorry - didn't read up |
| 09:00.00 | OpenTokix | ornia: you will put a partition on the entire drive and put that as the partition typ "Linux Raid autodetect" |
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| 09:01.58 | ornia | OpenTokix: So will there be sda1, sdb1, etc.? |
| 09:02.08 | ornia | Someone told me it was best to just use the root block device files. |
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| 09:02.54 | EmleyMoor | ornia: Yes, there will be |
| 09:03.07 | EmleyMoor | The partitions are advisable |
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| 09:03.29 | ornia | EmleyMoor: So my RAID-6 should be made of sda1, sdb1, sdc1, sdd1, sde1, sdf1, etc. |
| 09:03.40 | ornia | Not sda, sdb, sdc, sdd, sde, sdf, etc.? |
| 09:03.48 | ornia | Why is it advisable to do it the former way? |
| 09:04.04 | koollman | my first thought would be soft-raid autodetectino |
| 09:04.27 | koollman | also, it's easier to remember what was done with those disks if you ever have to ressucitate a server in the middle of the night |
| 09:04.32 | pallgone | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:04.32 | pallgone | /query ubottu |
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| 09:05.23 | EmleyMoor | ornia: What are you booting from? |
| 09:05.39 | ornia | EmleyMoor: I am actually booting from a separate array |
| 09:05.48 | EmleyMoor | Ah, right |
| 09:05.52 | ornia | My sda and sdb have RAID-1 |
| 09:06.07 | ornia | so my RAID-6 array will be sdc through sdm or something |
| 09:06.25 | ornia | sdc through sdn |
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| 09:20.07 | ornia | How can I check my entire drive for errors? |
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| 09:20.19 | ornia | smartctl says, when I try to run --test=long on it... |
| 09:20.22 | ornia | "is means that your disk does not support self-tests. If you look at the |
| 09:20.22 | ornia | ATA SMART specs, you'll see that self-tests are "optional" SMART commands |
| 09:20.28 | ornia | oops |
| 09:20.32 | ornia | smartctl says: |
| 09:20.39 | ornia | Warning: device does not support Self-Test functions. |
| 09:20.53 | ornia | Does this mean I cannot check it for errors with smartmontools? |
| 09:21.55 | frostschutz | ornia: must be an oooold drive? |
| 09:22.48 | frostschutz | ornia: there is badblocks but it overwrites the data on the disk |
| 09:23.03 | ornia | frostschutz: They are 2TB Western Digital Caviar Greens |
| 09:23.13 | frostschutz | ornia: they support self tests 100% |
| 09:23.29 | ornia | frostschutz: Ah interesting my /dev/sdd worked |
| 09:23.40 | frostschutz | ornia: is SMART disabled entirely on the drive maybe? |
| 09:23.46 | ornia | How can I check the test status? It seems to be happening in th ebackground, apparently handled by smartd |
| 09:24.03 | ornia | Warning! SMART Attribute Data Structure error: invalid SMART checksum. |
| 09:24.04 | ornia | Warning! SMART Attribute Thresholds Structure error: invalid SMART checksum. |
| 09:24.08 | ornia | I got those 2 errors |
| 09:24.20 | ornia | But I got them for sdd which is the same type of drive and testing works on that one |
| 09:24.26 | frostschutz | ornia: smartd can do periodic tests if you configure it to do so, otherwise the test progress can be seen with smartctl itself |
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| 09:27.19 | durandal` | I'm having some trouble with DNS, anything using a dns name is very slow, but dig <hostname> returns <30ms, I've tried disabling ipv6 and changing the dns server around, my other debian box is fine, thoughts? |
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| 09:27.57 | rvsjoen | changing dns server and its still slow ? |
| 09:28.21 | ornia | frostschutz: I started smartctl --test=long on 4 HDDs at once |
| 09:28.22 | rvsjoen | traceroute the dns server |
| 09:28.23 | ornia | Is this okay? |
| 09:28.30 | ornia | My RAM and CPU is fine, so I assume so. |
| 09:28.31 | durandal` | rvsjoen, yeah, tried changing it to the local router, and its not that dns is slow, its like it stalls on the local machine before sending the dns request out |
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| 09:31.09 | frostschutz | ornia: yeah sure this test is something that runs in the hdds internally, it can run in parallel without problem |
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| 09:31.45 | frostschutz | ornia: although you should not be getting invalit smart checksum errors... I don't get those for my 1.5TB WD EARS drive |
| 09:31.55 | durandal` | rvsjoen, a nasty 17 hops but 35ms response |
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| 09:38.17 | durandal` | rvsjoen, thx for thinking about it, be back in a bit |
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| 09:39.22 | rvsjoen | very well, also, you have the same latency when resolving against a much closer dns server ? |
| 09:40.44 | rvsjoen | also check or pastebin your resolv.conf |
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| 09:41.34 | rvsjoen | and make sure that there's nothing interfering with the dns ports in iptables |
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| 09:42.27 | durandal` | i set it to the third dns server and its fine, maybe something on the ISPs end... all the dns servers ping quick |
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| 09:42.30 | durandal` | shrug =/ |
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| 09:43.09 | icebrain | uses pdns as a DNS cache, it's very nice |
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| 09:45.49 | frostschutz | I used pdns too, however unfortunately I sometimes need something.dyndns.org and pdnsd caches the old ips for those too |
| 09:46.05 | frostschutz | there's a utility to remove them but that's cumbersome ;) |
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| 10:31.48 | nahnah | Im trying to send email via php ...smtp is ok but mail() doesnt work...what i should looking for in postfix mail ? |
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| 10:33.12 | djura-san | o/ |
| 10:33.12 | antgel | does anybody know if it is likely that squeeze will ship with postgresql 9.0 or 8.4? |
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| 10:37.18 | iceroot | antgel: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=postgresql |
| 10:37.59 | antgel | iceroot: how is that helpful? |
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| 10:41.03 | amphi | antgel: 9.0 is only in experimental as yet - beyond that, I know not |
| 10:41.12 | ornia | I just patched a driver in the source code for linux-2.6-2.6.32 in sid. I got the source using apt-get source linux-image-xxx |
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| 10:42.20 | ornia | I am wondering if it would be best to compile it (now that it is patched) with just make, or should I use kernel-package? |
| 10:42.39 | ornia | Or alternatively, can I compile the single driver I patched as a module, and load that in to my current kernel? |
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| 10:49.20 | antgel | amphi: well, quite |
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| 10:50.24 | jelly | ornia: doesn't really matter. kernel-package gives you .deb packages that are easily removed when unneeded |
| 10:50.24 | ethanol | ornia: I'd wrap it in candy paper |
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| 10:51.40 | ethanol | amphi: I only see testing and unstable, what's experimental? :< |
| 10:51.43 | jelly | ornia: I don't think how to build the single driver to match the running kernel when it comes in form of a source tree patch |
| 10:51.50 | jelly | s/think/know/ |
| 10:52.36 | amphi | !experimental |
| 10:52.36 | dpkg | experimental is the bleeding edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit/DANGEROUS/untrustworthy/etc for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does _not_ support experimental. For an actual description, see section 4.6.4.3 of the Developer's Reference. http://packages.debian.org/experimental/ |
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| 11:11.05 | iceroot | antgel: its telling you what version comes with squeeze |
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| 11:11.16 | iceroot | antgel: so reading the link is helpfull |
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| 11:14.36 | valium | hi all - a basic question. How do you upgrade a single package using aptitude? e.g how to upgrade the samba package only |
| 11:14.37 | antgel | iceroot: no. i want to know what is likely to be *shipped* with squeeze, i.e. upon release |
| 11:15.00 | iceroot | antgel: the one i posted |
| 11:15.28 | iceroot | antgel: there is no postgresql 9.0 |
| 11:15.36 | iceroot | http://www.postgresql.org/ |
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| 11:16.08 | iceroot | antgel: so why the hell should squeeze comes with postgresql 9.0 (maybe 9.0 is beta but that will never come to the next release, even its not in sid) |
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| 11:23.04 | christianp | hi all |
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| 11:31.06 | wols | valium: aptitude install samba |
| 11:31.06 | xand | valium: just install the package |
| 11:31.12 | xand | :O |
| 11:31.58 | christianp | I need to install python2.6.5 to my debian stable server, so i download python2.6.5 source and make "./configure --enable-shared" to enamble shared library. Bun when i run make i have the error: /usr/bin/ld: /usr/local/lib/libpython2.6.a(abstract.o): relocation R_X86_64_32 against `a local symbol' can not be used when making a shared object; recompile with -fPIC /usr/local/lib/libpython2.6.a: could not read symbol |
| 11:31.58 | christianp | s: Bad value |
| 11:31.58 | christianp | collect2: ld returned 1 exit status |
| 11:32.04 | christianp | what's the matter? |
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| 11:33.54 | wols | christianp: doesn't ti tell you what to do? |
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| 11:36.37 | antgel | iceroot: why? because it's in experimental? i don't know. did you sit on a bee? anyway "9.0 is beta" is vaguely useful |
| 11:37.46 | christianp | wols, yes, how can i recompile with -fPIC? What does it mean? |
| 11:38.05 | iceroot | antgel: you are not using debian for a long time? |
| 11:38.07 | christianp | wols, i suppose ./configure something=-fPIC |
| 11:38.13 | christianp | isn't it? |
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| 11:38.35 | iceroot | antgel: have you ever seen they put a beta into a version which should be release in some time without big testing? |
| 11:38.35 | christianp | if so, what's "something"? |
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| 11:38.49 | antgel | iceroot: maybe i didn't know it was a beta |
| 11:39.43 | Bushmills | judges the likeliness to be somewhere between 0.001% and 99.999% |
| 11:39.59 | iceroot | antgel: maybe in the next ubuntu-release you will find postgresql 9 but never!! in the next debian-release :) |
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| 11:40.15 | antgel | iceroot: i'm guessing that english isn't your first language and you are missing some subtleties. e.g. when i say '"9.0 is beta" is vaguely useful', i mean that it in a positive way |
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| 11:40.43 | antgel | that's much more helpful that pointing me to a link that i am aware of and doesn't answer my question |
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| 11:41.00 | iceroot | antgel: the link was answering your question |
| 11:41.04 | antgel | FFS |
| 11:41.15 | abrotman | watches antgel explode |
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| 11:41.34 | antgel | are you really looking for a flame war? |
| 11:41.37 | Bushmills | rather entertaining channel :) |
| 11:41.49 | amphi | christianp: -fPIC is an argument to gcc |
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| 11:42.08 | antgel | abrotman: we need greycat to bring the temperature *down* :) |
| 11:42.08 | iceroot | antgel: facts are not starting a flamewar :) |
| 11:42.13 | abrotman | hehe |
| 11:42.43 | abrotman | antgel: i think the only one they're currently planning to put into squeeze is the 8.4 |
| 11:43.14 | abrotman | runs away in fear |
| 11:43.38 | antgel | iceroot: no, but those facts don't answer the question. those facts show what versions of postgresql are in various debian streams *currently*. they do not show what version is planned *by time of release*. would you like to come back on that, or admit defeat? :) |
| 11:44.13 | amphi | it's only a scratch! |
| 11:44.14 | abrotman | are they even planning a pgsql 8.5? |
| 11:44.22 | iceroot | antgel: and i told you that they dont change the version on squeeze which should be come out in "some time" |
| 11:44.56 | iceroot | antgel: and now stop it, you have your answer that there will be no postgresql 9 |
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| 11:45.08 | abrotman | unless they have a pgsql9 |
| 11:45.14 | abrotman | stops creating problems... |
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| 11:46.37 | antgel | iceroot: did you? it must be off my scrollback. and i'll happily stop it when you stop telling me about "facts" that aren't relevant |
| 11:46.49 | antgel | thanks for the help |
| 11:46.55 | abrotman | antgel: what was the original question? |
| 11:47.30 | christianp | amphi, wols i did this: ./configure --enable-shared CXXFLAGS=-fPIC with no luck :( |
| 11:47.31 | antgel | 13:33 antgel> does anybody know if it is likely that squeeze will ship with postgresql 9.0 or 8.4? |
| 11:47.32 | iceroot | abrotman: if squeeze comes with postgresql 9 |
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| 11:47.32 | christianp | what other? |
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| 11:47.50 | antgel | no, i asked if it *will ship* with postgresql 9 |
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| 11:48.06 | iceroot | antgel: and the answer was no |
| 11:48.14 | abrotman | antgel: given that pgsql9 is currently only available in experimental, i can't see it as being very likely .. i can't see them shipping a beta of 9 where the data format may change, etc to stable users |
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| 11:48.41 | zinx | abrotman: ubuntu might! |
| 11:48.58 | abrotman | antgel: not to say it's impossible, but given that it's just sitting in exp (instead of unstable), i'd say the preparation isn't very serious |
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| 11:49.23 | abrotman | doubts he made a better answer |
| 11:49.27 | antgel | iceroot: actually the answer was no, preceded by a link which was no use, followed by protracted explanation of *why* the link was no use. enough revisionism! |
| 11:49.29 | abrotman | zinx: they might .. but that's why they're not ubuntu |
| 11:49.40 | abrotman | we're not ubuntu |
| 11:49.41 | iceroot | antgel: you are very funny :) |
| 11:49.59 | antgel | followed by a pointless discussion, so i'd better get on with some work |
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| 11:50.08 | midkniht | hey im installing git and i create a user and try to su to the git user and i get permission denied everytime. i tried deleting the user/group and home dir and recreating and i still cant su to the user unless im root |
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| 11:50.24 | iceroot | antgel: yes, that is a good idea for you and me too :) |
| 11:51.10 | abrotman | antgel: though, the better method might be to email petere @ debian and see what he has to say about it, he's the current maintainer of 9.x in experimental |
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| 11:51.28 | katr | Hey |
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| 11:51.42 | midkniht | is there some issue someone else here knows about? |
| 11:51.51 | antgel | abrotman: GOOD IDEA |
| 11:51.53 | Pjoudijouko | I'm looking for an online manual that explains step-by-step how to change the video-drivers of my debian lenny install from the command line. |
| 11:51.56 | abrotman | antgel: was that sarcasm? |
| 11:52.02 | antgel | no! |
| 11:52.06 | abrotman | Pjoudijouko: X -configure |
| 11:52.55 | katr | sudo debootstrap etch /media/mini |
| 11:52.55 | katr | it all worked as planned |
| 11:52.55 | antgel | was supposed to be a reference to those stats that that dude used to collect |
| 11:52.55 | Pjoudijouko | abrotman: going to try that... |
| 11:52.55 | abrotman | antgel: i just can't see it happening unless 9.x has a stable release from postgresql.org |
| 11:52.55 | katr | sudo grub-install /media/mini |
| 11:52.56 | katr | i get an error |
| 11:52.56 | antgel | fine, that's good enough. at the start of the discussion, i didn't know 9.x was beta |
| 11:52.56 | abrotman | katr: why the heck are you using etch ? |
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| 11:53.09 | katr | why not? |
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| 11:53.17 | katr | its nmot a server or anything |
| 11:53.24 | katr | just testing something |
| 11:53.29 | abrotman | antgel: http://www.postgresql.org/developer/beta |
| 11:53.32 | katr | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:53.46 | abrotman | katr: it's old and has no security support .. and testing something on a non-supported OS isn't very useful? |
| 11:53.50 | midkniht | hey im installing git and i create a user and try to su to the git user and i get permission denied everytime. i tried deleting the user/group and home dir and recreating and i still cant su to the user unless im root |
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| 11:54.36 | katr | i dont care |
| 11:54.40 | abrotman | antgel: i'm just showing that they still consider it beta, not that i expect you to download it |
| 11:54.42 | katr | how can i get grub to boot into it |
| 11:54.59 | antgel | downloads and installs 9.0 on production server |
| 11:55.10 | abrotman | yay! |
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| 11:56.12 | katr | ok |
| 11:56.15 | katr | what if i do lenny |
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| 11:56.37 | katr | after this, how can i make grub boot into it |
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| 11:57.53 | midkniht | anyone got a clue about how "su" works |
| 11:58.02 | midkniht | what would prevent regular users from using it |
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| 11:58.17 | rvsjoen | nothing |
| 11:58.18 | woshty | i had my testing update during post-inst of package initscripts interrupted by some custom (or modified) skripts in init.d .. very annoying, is there a way to disable insserv globally? |
| 11:58.23 | abrotman | midkniht: ls -l $(which su) |
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| 11:59.40 | woshty | .. it handles like suseconfig back in the days of version 5 and 6 |
| 11:59.41 | midkniht | /bin/su |
| 11:59.44 | midkniht | abrotman, |
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| 12:00.02 | abrotman | ls -l .. i don't where the binary is |
| 12:00.23 | midkniht | i cant paste im on a offline machine as well |
| 12:00.28 | comsa | maybe block wheel group |
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| 12:00.53 | midkniht | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 33112 2009-12-05 23:35 /bin/su |
| 12:00.58 | abrotman | midkniht: no sticky bit |
| 12:01.08 | abrotman | midkniht: is this a fresh squeeze intsall ? |
| 12:01.09 | midkniht | damnit |
| 12:01.17 | midkniht | no this is a production machine |
| 12:01.45 | abrotman | on lenny? |
| 12:01.45 | midkniht | been running 3 years |
| 12:01.45 | abrotman | so, not lenny? |
| 12:01.45 | midkniht | approx lenny now |
| 12:01.49 | abrotman | midkniht: is it lenny i386? |
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| 12:02.18 | midkniht | debian 4.1.2-25 amd64 |
| 12:02.41 | midkniht | sorry |
| 12:02.42 | abrotman | what is that ppackage number from? |
| 12:02.52 | midkniht | thats why i said sorry |
| 12:02.55 | midkniht | wrong thing |
| 12:03.00 | midkniht | amd64 is right |
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| 12:03.27 | midkniht | debian 2.6.26-21 kernel |
| 12:03.44 | abrotman | is that machine accessible via the internet? |
| 12:03.56 | midkniht | no |
| 12:03.59 | abrotman | midkniht: dpkg -l login .. which version of login is it? |
| 12:04.24 | midkniht | 4.1.1-6+lenny1 |
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| 12:04.35 | manicman | hi |
| 12:04.48 | abrotman | AFAIK, that binary should be SUID .. for whatever reason, yours is not |
| 12:05.19 | midkniht | how would i change that? think i should reinstall su? |
| 12:05.34 | abrotman | you can try to reinstall the login package .. or chmod it yourself |
| 12:05.42 | midkniht | its a recent bug because i used to be able to login as git |
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| 12:06.24 | jelly | midkniht: did you move files around or chown anything recently? |
| 12:06.41 | midkniht | im not the only one on the machine so its possible |
| 12:06.50 | midkniht | but im root so i can fix it |
| 12:07.11 | abrotman | is there a nosuid option for mount ? |
| 12:07.22 | midkniht | ill look |
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| 12:07.26 | abrotman | there is .. perhaps that got set ? |
| 12:07.34 | midkniht | no |
| 12:07.43 | abrotman | you checked with 'mount' ? |
| 12:08.08 | midkniht | nosuid on other things but not on the ds's |
| 12:08.29 | midkniht | drives |
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| 12:09.09 | midkniht | tmpfs is set nosuid |
| 12:09.34 | midkniht | as is devpts and proc and sysfs |
| 12:09.42 | midkniht | but the drives are not |
| 12:09.54 | manicman | the new networkmanager has been installed with a dist-upgrade a week ago. i have a problem with it using my wlan. the manager finds my wlan and asks me for the key. but it always does not make a connection. log says: (wlan0): device state change: 6 -> 9 (reason 7). any hints whats wrong? |
| 12:11.44 | woshty | 7 |
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| 12:14.08 | abrotman | midkniht: you might wish to use debsums to check your packages |
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| 12:15.01 | midkniht | whys that? |
| 12:15.05 | midkniht | you think i may have a issue? |
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| 12:15.36 | manicman | sry, had a disc.. |
| 12:15.44 | manicman | any hints except "7"? |
| 12:15.53 | woshty | manicman: kde? |
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| 12:16.23 | manicman | woshty: yes |
| 12:16.33 | abrotman | midkniht: nothing wrong with checking ... |
| 12:16.40 | manicman | woshty: on squeeze |
| 12:16.49 | amee2k | hmmm which package contains fstune? |
| 12:16.51 | abrotman | is n-m on kde squeeze still broken ? |
| 12:16.55 | abrotman | !tell amee2k about apt-file |
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| 12:17.34 | amee2k | hmmm |
| 12:17.46 | amee2k | oh, wait you have to install that one manually? |
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| 12:18.12 | woshty | manicman: there were some problems on kubuntu due to kwallet not running .. but they werent reason 7 if i remember correctly .. |
| 12:18.27 | abrotman | this isn't #kubuntu |
| 12:19.28 | manicman | woshty: reason 7 has been the reason in some other forum posts, but none is helping me...:\ |
| 12:19.57 | woshty | abrotman: i know, i asked about insserv in squeez .. |
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| 12:20.37 | abrotman | woshty: did you check /usr/share/doc/insserv/ |
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| 12:21.33 | midkniht | abrotman, seems to affect ssh git@mymachine too |
| 12:21.37 | manicman | woshty: i dont no if this is a trustable source, but http://forums.wi-fiplanet.com/showthread.php?t=6536 says that my client tries to transfer data before authentification what hints to a driver problem or a problem in the netowrkmanager... |
| 12:21.41 | midkniht | i cant login with that account except from root |
| 12:21.51 | JyZyXEL | if you apt-get source something and hack it, how do you compile it into a .deb and have it installed in your system? |
| 12:21.53 | woshty | abrotman: yes .. i tried .. it is complex .. just like dbus/hal .. making things easier and faster by making more complicated - always works perfectly |
| 12:21.59 | JyZyXEL | is there like a oneliner |
| 12:22.16 | abrotman | debuild -uc -us |
| 12:22.23 | jelly | woshty: my sarcasm detector is triggered! |
| 12:22.45 | abrotman | woshty: pretty sure in there it tells you about a way to turn it off easily |
| 12:22.47 | woshty | jelly: it did not get triggered when i compared it to suseconfig earlier? ;) |
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| 12:23.07 | midkniht | abrotman, every user but git seems to be able to login |
| 12:23.17 | jelly | woshty: I have a mental filter for lines containing "suse" |
| 12:23.21 | woshty | abrotman: turning it of easily would be uninstalling it .. which is not supported out of the box |
| 12:23.23 | midkniht | cant ssh or su to git but every other user works fine |
| 12:23.34 | abrotman | midkniht: what is the shell for the git user? |
| 12:23.41 | woshty | jelly: great, would u share the code for that filter? |
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| 12:24.06 | midkniht | /bin/bash |
| 12:24.10 | midkniht | just like the rest |
| 12:24.13 | jelly | woshty: it's in wetware |
| 12:24.16 | JyZyXEL | abrotman: does that install the new version automatically? |
| 12:24.32 | woshty | manicman: i did a quick google search and found all sorts causes including hardware, config files - but nothing conclusive, sry |
| 12:24.34 | abrotman | woshty: /usr/share/doc/insserv/README.Debian |
| 12:24.43 | abrotman | JyZyXEL: no, why the heck would it do something silly like that? |
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| 12:25.07 | manicman | woshty: o.k. thx anyway |
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| 12:25.30 | midkniht | this is a weird issue |
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| 12:26.13 | oKtosiTe | I have a freshly installed Lenny, which I've had to install without network access. sources.list only lists security and cdrom. Is there any easy way to have regular mirror lines generated? |
| 12:26.33 | abrotman | oKtosiTe: not really easy .. but it's not hard to do it yourself |
| 12:26.36 | woshty | abrotman: i want "off", not run it while running post-inst of initscripts |
| 12:26.39 | abrotman | oKtosiTe: you can try using apt-spy |
| 12:26.55 | abrotman | woshty: does that line exist the file it mentions? |
| 12:27.17 | oKtosiTe | abrotman: some example lines would help |
| 12:27.23 | woshty | there is no off anywhere in doc/insserv |
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| 12:27.39 | oKtosiTe | abrotman: example sources.list I mean |
| 12:28.13 | aburch | !tell oKtosiTe -about sources.list |
| 12:28.45 | woshty | abrotman: i give up, i am going to study insserv manpage now and modify scripts accordingly .. |
| 12:28.54 | oKtosiTe | aburch: thanks! |
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| 12:34.23 | maeon31 | I have a flat data output file, is it unreasonable to ask for line-level encryption? Boss is asking for it and I can't find a reasonable way to do it. |
| 12:34.45 | maeon31 | Line-level meaning they want specific lines encrypted, while others not. |
| 12:34.55 | zinx | o_O |
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| 12:35.49 | abrotman | maeon31: what's wrong with encrypting the whole file? |
| 12:35.50 | zinx | you can do it, reasonably, but to do so would require some more knowledge of cryptography if you want it to be secure |
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| 12:36.11 | zinx | (need proper IVs/etc) |
| 12:36.18 | maeon31 | They want it so that Social security numbers can't be read by the employees while programmers read and debug a transmission file. |
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| 12:36.30 | maeon31 | I know, I share the pain of the request. |
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| 12:37.02 | maeon31 | Essentially trying to keep data from programmers, while keeping the ability to debug flat files. |
| 12:37.22 | zinx | the programs are writing the code that reads said data, no? |
| 12:37.38 | zinx | and presumably manipulates it in its unencrypted form.. |
| 12:37.50 | maeon31 | Yes. Programs generate and write the data in unencrypted form. |
| 12:38.16 | zinx | i guess i don't see the point in trusting them to read/write the data in unencrypted form, but not "see" it that way |
| 12:38.29 | maeon31 | And there is sensitive data in there, health information, all kinds of embarassing stuff Quality assurance could see while examining it, they want to encrypt Line-level or field-level. |
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| 12:38.51 | maeon31 | Yes, I'm building up the guts to say: "we should not be doing it this way". |
| 12:38.52 | zinx | QA shouldn't be examining the low-level files IMHO :P |
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| 12:39.13 | maeon31 | Yes, but they are a buracratic agency, managers don't want sensitive data floating around employee hard drives. |
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| 12:39.38 | abrotman | wonders how QA is supposed to verify the output if they can't read the output ... |
| 12:39.39 | maeon31 | I'm thinking of saying it's not a good idea to do this. |
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| 12:39.40 | zinx | that's when you encrypt the whole thing... but doing so is pointless if the key is there too |
| 12:40.07 | oKtosiTe | aburch: thanks! |
| 12:40.07 | zinx | abrotman: i'm assuming the flat file isn't the end goal here |
| 12:40.15 | oKtosiTe | Oops. |
| 12:40.48 | oKtosiTe | That's what I get for having a terminal "on top" and my IRC client focused. :-) |
| 12:40.53 | maeon31 | The flat file encrypted is not the goal, it is the fuzzing of sensitive data. The idea is suppressing information from the people who have to maintain the system itself. |
| 12:41.08 | abrotman | zinx: someone still has to verify the final output .. somewhere |
| 12:41.14 | maeon31 | Ultimately this task of keeping information from programmers/QA will fail, but it doesn't stop them from trying. |
| 12:41.38 | zinx | maeon31: well, it's not hard to encrypt lines - just encode in some format that doesn't stick a \n in there |
| 12:41.46 | zinx | after encrypting |
| 12:42.07 | zinx | if you want to do it securely, though, that's another issue |
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| 12:42.19 | zinx | you'll have to have a way to generate IVs per-record |
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| 12:43.00 | abrotman | picks up zinx and maeon31 and moves them to #debian-offtopic |
| 12:43.00 | jpinx-eeepc | anyone able to point me at why upgrading to linux-image-2.6.30 has broken my wifi? |
| 12:43.00 | maeon31 | Yeah it seems like a huge headache. It would have to be done with the software that generates the flat file. |
| 12:43.08 | zinx | and, honestly, given that one piece of plaintext will be the SSN... i think it will be trivial to decrypt :P |
| 12:43.10 | abrotman | jpinx-eeepc: and your wifi is? |
| 12:43.25 | zinx | of course, the people w/ the data also have the key... so it will be even more trivial anyway, i guess |
| 12:43.30 | jpinx-eeepc | internal - comes up as ra0 |
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| 12:43.40 | abrotman | jpinx-eeepc: i meant the chipset/driver |
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| 12:43.46 | nettezzaumana | hi there |
| 12:43.49 | abrotman | jpinx-eeepc: and there's no .30 left in debain |
| 12:43.51 | abrotman | debian |
| 12:44.54 | jpinx-eeepc | abrotman: linux-image-2.6.30-bpo.1-686 |
| 12:45.07 | nettezzaumana | pff. can i somehow drop a credentials from my seamonkey session ?? |
| 12:45.10 | jpinx-eeepc | judd: versions linux-image |
| 12:45.11 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'linux-image' was found. |
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| 12:45.42 | nettezzaumana | like in firefox tools -> clear private data -> Authenticated Sessions |
| 12:46.12 | jpinx-eeepc | judd: versions kernel |
| 12:46.13 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'kernel' was found. |
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| 12:47.46 | abrotman | judd: tell jpinx-eeepc about kernels |
| 12:47.50 | abrotman | oh ffs |
| 12:47.54 | abrotman | jpinx-eeepc: bpo is now a .32 |
| 12:48.07 | abrotman | judd: versions linux-image-686 |
| 12:48.09 | judd | linux-image-686 -- etch: 2.6.18+6etch3; etch-security: 2.6.18+6etch3; etch-backports: 2.6.26+17~bpo40+2; lenny: 2.6.26+17+lenny1; lenny-backports: 2.6.32+25~bpo50+1; squeeze: 2.6.32+25; sid: 2.6.32+27 |
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| 12:48.25 | abrotman | jpinx-eeepc: no idea if it actually works though |
| 12:48.36 | jpinx-eeepc | bugger:( |
| 12:48.48 | jpinx-eeepc | It'll have to wait till tomorrow now |
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| 12:50.42 | jpinx-eeepc | abrotman: I was trying to get a usb wifi adaptor to work, and someone suggested the kernel upgrade |
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| 12:51.10 | uffo | hello all how ca i change profile path location with shell script for some programs own folder thanks... |
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| 12:52.28 | abrotman | jpinx-eeepc: which chipset? |
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| 12:53.34 | jpinx-eeepc | abrotman: rtl8187 |
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| 12:57.00 | abrotman | all i can say is to try the .32 .. there is no uspport in the .26 |
| 12:57.31 | jpinx-eeepc | abrotman: yea - thanks - I'd sort of come to that after reading all the guff |
| 12:57.43 | abrotman | jpinx-eeepc: did you check dmesg or syslog to see if there are any obvious errors? |
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| 12:57.57 | jpinx-eeepc | I'll get a fasrter connection in the morning and install it |
| 12:58.25 | oKtosiTe | uffo: /etc/passwd ? |
| 12:58.32 | jpinx-eeepc | yes - I might still have a copy of dmesg if you'd like a look - it ended with "wlan0 not ready" and disconnected |
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| 12:58.53 | oKtosiTe | uffo: never mind, didn't read your whole question |
| 12:58.53 | jpinx-eeepc | abrotman: it was connecting but dropping after a few seconds |
| 12:59.21 | oKtosiTe | uffo: in fact, I'm not sure what your question is... |
| 12:59.33 | EmleyMoor | jpinx-eeepc: I had an rtl8187 based card that worked well but can't remember what, if anything, I had to do= |
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| 12:59.56 | EmleyMoor | (still have the card, but no machine it fits) |
| 13:00.23 | jpinx-eeepc | EmleyMoor: upgrade the kernel ? |
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| 13:00.39 | jpinx-eeepc | EmleyMoor: this is a USB adaptor |
| 13:01.02 | EmleyMoor | Ah - USB - mine was CardBus |
| 13:01.10 | uffo | oKtosiTe: i mean all programs by default stores settings in home but i want some of them to use settings in different location temporary |
| 13:01.31 | jpinx-eeepc | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/5xqhb5sh and EmleyMoor if you're interested ;) |
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| 13:04.26 | abrotman | jpinx-eeepc: nice descriptive hostname |
| 13:04.48 | abrotman | jpinx-eeepc: where's the dmesg where it dies ? |
| 13:06.13 | jpinx-eeepc | abrotman: from memory it died with "wlan0 not ready" |
| 13:06.45 | jpinx-eeepc | I'm using the older kernel and can't really replicate it easily atm |
| 13:06.48 | abrotman | doesn't trust the memory of someone that old! |
| 13:06.55 | jpinx-eeepc | :p |
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| 13:07.48 | jpinx-eeepc | abrotman: I did passtebin the dmesg a day ago, but I don't keep an irc log.... |
| 13:08.14 | jpinx-eeepc | and I'm not sure what the default ttl is in pastebin.com |
| 13:08.41 | Dantix | morning! I'm trying to use a wifi usb donge based on rtl8187 chipset, but when plug it and loaded the rtl8187.ko module the wlan interface isn't created. Kernel should create the wlan interface automagically? |
| 13:09.29 | jpinx-eeepc | Dantix: read the scrollback - I'm doing the same |
| 13:10.52 | abrotman | Dantix: which kernel ? |
| 13:11.27 | jpinx-eeepc | Dantix: and you might need to modprobe it |
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| 13:12.48 | Dantix | abrotman: 2.6.31 shipped with knopix 6.2 |
| 13:13.17 | Dantix | jpinx-eeepc: I've just modprobed rtl8187, loads fine but wlan doesn't appears |
| 13:13.58 | jpinx-eeepc | Dantix: dunno about knoppix - this is #debian ;) |
| 13:15.42 | Dantix | I know, i know but my question is general one, kernel should create the wlan o something else should be done to get it up? |
| 13:17.27 | Bop | Dantix, what dmesg tells ? |
| 13:18.05 | jpinx-eeepc | Dantix: if you have been upgrading the kernel you *might* need a reboot with the device plugged in |
| 13:19.25 | Dantix | Bop: something like: new adapter registered rtl8187 |
| 13:19.41 | Dantix | jpinx-eeepc: tryed that with no luck :'( |
| 13:20.02 | ||cw | Dantix: anything in dmesg? |
| 13:20.13 | ||cw | or syslog |
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| 13:21.44 | Dantix | ||cw: just that referenced to a new adapter registered |
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| 13:22.35 | ||cw | does it say what device name? |
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| 13:22.55 | ||cw | not all drivers "wlan#" |
| 13:22.57 | ||cw | use^^ |
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| 13:24.03 | Dantix | ||cw: no, there is nothing about wlan within my dmesg |
| 13:24.22 | jpinx-eeepc | Dantix: iwconfig should tell you what you've got |
| 13:24.25 | ||cw | what about ra0 ? |
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| 13:25.14 | Dantix | jpinx-eeepc: only shows lo and eth0 adapters |
| 13:25.25 | ||cw | what about ifconfig -a |
| 13:25.29 | uffo | how to change settings path, i know that all programs by default stores settings in home but i want some of them to use settings in different location temporary |
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| 13:25.56 | ||cw | uffo: that would have to be on a per-application basis |
| 13:26.05 | Dantix | ||cw: anything its name be, should be showed with iwconfig, isn't it? |
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| 13:26.16 | uffo | yes i want that way |
| 13:26.25 | uffo | cw: |
| 13:26.26 | ||cw | dunno, I normally sue network manager for wifi |
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| 13:26.36 | ||cw | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:27.00 | jpinx-eeepc | Dantix: did you try ifconfig -a |
| 13:27.01 | ||cw | uffo: so each application would have to be modified |
| 13:27.51 | uffo | no i want to change home path for some program from cli |
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| 13:28.19 | lindi- | uffo: "HOME=/tmp some-prog" |
| 13:28.32 | ||cw | you can try, for instance: HOME=/new/path gedit |
| 13:28.52 | Dantix | jpinx-eeepc: shows: eth0, eth0:avahi and lo |
| 13:28.57 | lindi- | ||cw: except that gedit does not save its settings to home, it uses gconf |
| 13:29.09 | ||cw | was just an example |
| 13:29.36 | jpinx-eeepc | Dantix: sounds like your wifi device is not being recognised- is it usb? |
| 13:30.01 | Dantix | jpinx-eeepc: yes, but is recognised at lsusb |
| 13:30.44 | jpinx-eeepc | Dantix: as I said a while ago - this is debian and I have no idea what your kernel has by way of modules |
| 13:30.46 | Dantix | jpinx-eeepc: says: 0bda:8171 Realtek Semiconductor Corp |
| 13:31.25 | jelly | ,usbid 0bda:8171 |
| 13:31.26 | Dantix | jpinx-eeepc: ok, thank you anyway for your effort |
| 13:31.35 | jelly | judd: test |
| 13:31.44 | Dantix | jelly: yes |
| 13:32.33 | jelly | Dantix: I'm trying to ask the bot if it knows about that device |
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| 13:32.54 | abrotman | the bot doesn't do usbids |
| 13:33.19 | jelly | meh! |
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| 13:33.46 | uffo | lindi-: i tried this in shell script but it did not used this path "export HOME=./SETTINGS" |
| 13:34.09 | lindi- | uffo: what "it"? |
| 13:34.15 | lindi- | uffo: and HOME should have absolute path |
| 13:34.28 | jpinx-eeepc | Dantix: fwiw that's the same usb id as mine May 25 12:36:15 black901eeepc kernel: [54901.295635] usb 5-3: New USB device found, idVendor=0bda, idProduct=8187 |
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| 13:36.10 | uffo | lindi-: for example i use some of programs without istallatio with shell script, http://pastebin.com/NBJ6P6bc |
| 13:36.38 | uffo | lindi-: but i want add settings location in this script too |
| 13:36.49 | Dantix | jpinx-eeepc: should be a kernel issue, because I haven't such events in my dmesg |
| 13:37.19 | jpinx-eeepc | Dantix: you're on..31 and I don't think that is in debian |
| 13:38.15 | Dantix | jpinx-eeepc: in the mean time I've switched to a edubook with a 2.6.30 kernel with the same luck |
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| 13:38.35 | jpinx-eeepc | Dantix: ...30 didn't work for me either |
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| 13:41.42 | jpinx-eeepc | Dantix: I'm going for ...32 tomorrow |
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| 13:43.30 | Dantix | jpinx-eeepc: thank you, I've switched to other usb port and isn't recognised... I'll try to troubleshoot that before... |
| 13:43.56 | jpinx-eeepc | Dantix: yea - sounds like you might have other issues ;) |
| 13:45.54 | uffo | how to change settings path, i know that all programs by default stores settings in home but i want some of them to use settings in different location temporary, i use this script http://pastebin.com/NBJ6P6bc to run software without install but what command i need add to move settings too in own folder??? i really need this for seperate temporary profile. |
| 13:47.09 | jordanm | uffo: likely you would need to change your $HOME variable to the temporary location |
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| 13:49.46 | uffo | jordanm: i would know how, i tred to add export HOME=./SETTINGS but it dd not function, please help i am searched this thing for over year to make portable 100%. |
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| 13:52.05 | jordanm | uffo: your home variable should be an absolute path |
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| 13:52.26 | jordanm | uffo: I am only assuming that the applications look at $HOME when reading/writting settings |
| 13:52.37 | jordanm | uffo: portable to what? |
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| 13:54.12 | compaq | Hi, my video comes of with too much hue in totem, I can set it straight in mplayer by configuring it to the gl video driver though |
| 13:54.34 | compaq | Is there a system wide fix and not just mplayer |
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| 13:55.25 | Justin | compaq: run mplayer with the normal xv driver and press 3/4 5/6 7/8 keys |
| 13:55.35 | optraz | dpkg: nvidia |
| 13:55.36 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers . If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Testing users: ask me about <nvidia squeeze>. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net). |
| 13:55.48 | uffo | jordanm: library loading works fine as you see in script ./lib (from program own folder) i use this daily basis for bleder and lot of other software |
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| 13:56.06 | compaq | Justin, ok |
| 13:56.13 | aitiba | hi |
| 13:56.25 | aitiba | someone here has experience with apt-pinning? |
| 13:56.38 | jordanm | !pinning |
| 13:56.38 | dpkg | Pinning is a method to choose which version of a package to install when multiple versions are available from <sources.list>. Bugs are explained at http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/debian.html#errata . If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system, ask me about <backports> instead. http://wiki.debian.org/AptPreferences |
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| 13:56.48 | AmberJ | hello |
| 13:56.49 | AmberJ | When pidgin is running, it's notification sounds block sound from vlc :( on debian lenny setup from minimal netinst .... Need to find a tweak to fix this |
| 13:56.50 | aitiba | I would like to update from lenny-backports but I'm getting depency errors |
| 13:56.53 | uffo | jordanm: last thing i need how to cange settings location too then it is perfect |
| 13:56.54 | AmberJ | What is wrong? |
| 13:57.02 | jordanm | !tell AmberJ about dmix |
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| 13:57.46 | AmberJ | thanks jordanm |
| 13:58.13 | jordanm | uffo: what are you trying to do? |
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| 13:58.35 | jordanm | uffo: what is the purpose of this? |
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| 14:00.38 | ||cw | AmberJ: are they both using alsa or pulse or jack or some sound system or are they directly using the dsp device? |
| 14:01.08 | AmberJ | ||cw, I guess both are using ALSA afaik |
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| 14:01.25 | ||cw | uh, dont' guess... |
| 14:01.34 | ||cw | go look |
| 14:01.37 | AmberJ | ||cw, It's ALSA. confirmed |
| 14:01.38 | uffo | jordanm: portable software jut like in Windows that has all dll-s and settings in own folder, i know it is possible because some time ago i found program for linux that used shell script to change location of settings to own folder but in accident i lost that program. |
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| 14:01.49 | compaq | Justin, is it not good to use the gl driver? |
| 14:02.11 | Justin | compaq: it's not really your problem |
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| 14:03.15 | jordanm | uffo: that program likely was written with the ability to do so. what you want are statically linked binaries, and storing the location of settings to its own folder is _not_ a windows thing either. windows also stores user specific settings and data in hidden folders for their equiv of a home directory |
| 14:03.16 | compaq | Justin, it is the video driver? |
| 14:03.23 | Justin | compaq: run mplayer with the normal xv driver and press 3/4 5/6 7/8 keys |
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| 14:04.06 | jordanm | uffo: firefox is an example... binaries are statically linked but settings are still stored where they should be stored, in the root of the user homedir |
| 14:04.13 | compaq | Justin, I did that, it works fine, but I am wondering why the default setting with the xv driver are so over saturated. I just need to turn the saturation down and it works |
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| 14:05.40 | Justin | compaq: what is your uptime like? |
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| 14:06.47 | compaq | I installed yesterday, and it was off overnight, and then this morning, when I boot, it booted, but gdm didn't start, and I couldn't hit ctrl+alt+f1, but then I powered off and and started again and it worked |
| 14:07.01 | uffo | jordanm: but can i change home location with command to tell whathever program is that home is here (where i want), currently library loading works fine as you see from script and i can run for example Bender without installing libs but using them from ./lib |
| 14:07.12 | compaq | But last night, the power went off so it shutdown that way |
| 14:07.50 | jordanm | uffo: you probably want them statically linked instead of needing to maintain a lib dir seperate from the system's |
| 14:07.51 | compaq | Justin, maybe backports has a better video driver, how do I see which driver I am using? I see from lsmod agp_intel |
| 14:08.06 | compaq | Justin, sorry intel_agp |
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| 14:08.11 | Justin | compaq: i wouldn't touch it |
| 14:08.15 | kri5 | Hi there |
| 14:08.35 | kri5 | I got a problem with libpam-heimdal |
| 14:08.48 | Justin | isn't heimdal obsoleted by krb5? |
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| 14:08.57 | kri5 | when i try to login, i got a login incorrect error |
| 14:09.11 | kri5 | but everything seems to be ok in /var/log/auth.log on the server |
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| 14:09.29 | kri5 | Justin: heimdal is just another implemation of kerberos |
| 14:09.34 | Justin | I see |
| 14:09.35 | kri5 | Justin: as mit-krb5 |
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| 14:10.07 | uffo | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:10.14 | compaq | Justin, is it safe to use the gl driver instead of the xv? |
| 14:10.22 | Justin | compaq: probably |
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| 14:10.35 | kri5 | any ideas of what could be the problem, or how to know more precisly from where it comes |
| 14:10.44 | Justin | kri5: kdc log? |
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| 14:13.01 | compaq | Justin, hmm, why is that? |
| 14:13.01 | kri5 | Justin: where does kdc usally log? |
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| 14:13.40 | Thaxll | Hi, quick question, I made a script for a backup, it's working fine but when I put it into crontab it's no longer working. Is crontab's working differently for rights / path ect ... ? |
| 14:14.01 | rvsjoen | thaxll: cron runs under a minimal environment |
| 14:14.20 | Thaxll | That means ? |
| 14:14.25 | rvsjoen | thaxll: make a cronjob that does 'env' and pipe it to a file to see what you have to work with |
| 14:14.34 | Thaxll | Hmm ok |
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| 14:14.41 | rvsjoen | it means that environment variables you are relying on might be missing |
| 14:14.50 | rvsjoen | such as, for example, PATH |
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| 14:17.36 | kri5 | Justin: http://pastebin.org/283348 |
| 14:17.37 | Thaxll | Is there a way to use cronjob with all env variables ect .. ? |
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| 14:18.03 | rvsjoen | define 'all' |
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| 14:18.43 | Justin | kri5: did kinit etc work before you tried to setup pam? |
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| 14:19.15 | kri5 | Justin: kinit works |
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| 14:21.32 | kri5 | Justin: i still can get a kerberos ticket when logged with local user |
| 14:22.31 | Justin | kri5: ah.. maybe it's just a problem with the pam config |
| 14:23.02 | kri5 | Justin: do i pastebin you the various common-* pam config file? |
| 14:23.12 | Justin | kri5: no idea |
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| 14:24.18 | jordanm | uffo: that is not "just like in windows". "just like in windows" would be static linking |
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| 14:25.37 | hid3 | Good afternoon everyone |
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| 14:27.57 | kri5 | Justin: it seems to really be pam related, but i can't find out why :/ |
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| 14:29.47 | mguy | Is there a way to make apt download more than one package at a time? If I hit a repo that is slow, I'd like the rest of the packages to keep coming in |
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| 14:30.15 | ||cw | if the repo is slow, additional connections arne't going to help |
| 14:30.31 | mguy | I'm talking about to another repo for a different package |
| 14:30.42 | ||cw | I thought i would |
| 14:30.54 | jelly | mguy: apt opens one connection per repo by default |
| 14:30.58 | ||cw | synaptic and aptitude certainly do |
| 14:31.10 | uffo | jordanm: i just want to change home path but what is the command, i want to tell program where home folder is nothing more i do not ask... |
| 14:31.51 | mguy | Does it download more than one file at a time, though? I only see one file going |
| 14:32.11 | jelly | mguy: if they are to be downloaded from different repositories, yes |
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| 14:33.01 | jordanm | uffo: HOME=/path/to/new/home |
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| 14:33.51 | uffo | jordanm: i test it |
| 14:33.53 | lontra | is there any reason that unpacking programs could take a long time? i just installed a squeeze on a new laptop with ext4 fs and when i unpack programs using aptitude it takes a very long time |
| 14:34.00 | lontra | before it was very quick |
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| 14:37.17 | jelly | lontra: uname -r? |
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| 14:39.05 | eshat | hi all |
| 14:39.06 | jelly | mguy: the usual case is you only get a small number of updates from third party repos if you have any configured, and most of them from a debian mirror, so you wait on the latter one |
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| 14:40.04 | lontra | sorry if someone messaged me i didn't get it |
| 14:40.10 | uffo | jordanm: how exactly, i entered "myprogramname HOME=/media/data/settings" in terminal but it wont use this location |
| 14:40.45 | jelly | uffo: first the env. variable, _then_ the command |
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| 14:40.56 | jelly | HOME=/media/data/settings myprogramname |
| 14:40.57 | eshat | uffo: try: HOME=/media/data/settings; myprogramname |
| 14:41.34 | jelly | eshat: that will change the current shell's value for HOME which might not be desired |
| 14:41.53 | djura-san | im off (for now). have a nice chat ;) |
| 14:42.24 | eshat | jelly: true |
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| 14:46.15 | uffo | eshat: it shows comand not found when i used HOME=/media/data/settings; madedit (madedit was example program) |
| 14:46.50 | Appetite | export HOME=/media/data/settings; madedit |
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| 14:46.58 | Appetite | i'm not sure what you ar etrying to do, i didn't read the whole conversation uffo |
| 14:47.21 | eshat | uffo: like jelly said, try that without the ";" |
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| 14:49.53 | compaq | I am confused about video driver, if I look in aptitute, there are tons of different video packages for different video cards. How do I know which on is installed, and how do I know which care compatible, and also, how do I select with driver to use? |
| 14:49.53 | uffo | you mean "HOME=/media/data/settings madedit" |
| 14:49.56 | jelly | uffo: is the madedit binary present in the current PATH? |
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| 14:50.49 | ||cw | compaq: what card |
| 14:51.18 | compaq | ||cw, intel on board |
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| 14:51.57 | uffo | jelly: command not found is always |
| 14:52.13 | jelly | uffo: where is it? |
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| 14:52.24 | eshat | compaq: X chooses the right driver automaticlly, check your /var/log/Xorg.0.log for more info |
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| 14:52.43 | dean0 | anoyone tell me how to get madwifi driver ? |
| 14:52.51 | dean0 | with lenny |
| 14:52.59 | uffo | jelly: you mean madedit binary |
| 14:53.05 | jelly | uffo: yes. |
| 14:53.10 | eshat | compaq: you should see a line, saying: (II) LoadModule: "intel" |
| 14:53.13 | compaq | eshat, how about upgrading to the backports driver if there is one available, how do I check which driver I am using? |
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| 14:53.38 | wols | dean0: you generally don't want madwifi anymore |
| 14:54.03 | eshat | compaq: are you talking about xserver-xorg-video-intel ? |
| 14:54.40 | wols | dean0: use ath5k or ath9k |
| 14:54.52 | dean0 | my wifi ap isnt close wols madwifi works better than ath5k |
| 14:55.21 | jordanm | !madwifi |
| 14:55.21 | dpkg | [madwifi] the <non-free> legacy driver for Atheros 802.11a/bg PCI wireless LAN chipsets. To install on Lenny, ask me about <madwifi-install> or follow the instructions at http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/ath_pci . http://madwifi-project.org/wiki/Support #madwifi on irc.freenode.net. Removed from Debian post-Lenny to resolve bug #519446; Squeeze users, ask me about <ath5k> or <ath9k> (802.11n). |
| 14:55.25 | uffo | jelly: it is installed in usr/bin/ |
| 14:55.26 | compaq | eshat, well, it say intel in the Xorg.0.log file, and lsmod say intel_agp, and yeah, there is that package, and then there are others too for different hardware. SO all those get intalled and X choses one. Is there a new set of the packages in backports, that maybe I could install |
| 14:55.34 | dean0 | thanks jordanm |
| 14:55.58 | jordanm | AFAIK madwifi still has better injection performance than ath5k too |
| 14:56.04 | compaq | eshat, I have an idea. I can just do apt-cache search xserver-xorg and then apt-get install xserver-xorg from backports and it will upgrade |
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| 14:56.15 | compaq | eshat, I shoud probably log out to do that |
| 14:56.17 | Bac0n | i updated to kde 4.4.3 some time ago .... the background of plasma widget "notes" has disapeared ... is it only me |
| 14:56.31 | eshat | compaq: I do not know why you want to do that |
| 14:56.50 | eshat | compaq: if you have the backports in your sources.list it should update them autmaticlly |
| 14:57.15 | eshat | compaq: and even if the drivers for differnt cards are installed, it does not mean, that X uses them |
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| 14:58.05 | compaq | eshat, well, but default, my video plays with too much saturation with the xv driver, and I can switch to gl drver in mplayer, Thing is I think the gl driver might crash my system |
| 14:58.34 | compaq | eshat, ok, so I can just do apt-get upgrade or dist-upgrade |
| 14:58.34 | Bac0n | in notes config i cant click on "notes color" anymore |
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| 15:01.37 | jelly | uffo: ls -l /usr/bin/madedit ? |
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| 15:02.02 | eshat | compaq: yes, dist-upgrade and restart of X Server should do the update |
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| 15:03.23 | uffo | jelly: i want that madedit thinks that home folder is on /media/data/settings and writes settings there |
| 15:03.47 | jelly | uffo: please paste the output of that command |
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| 15:05.04 | uffo | jelly: what command, last ones did not worked |
| 15:05.33 | ||cw | compaq: you think, it is has crashed? |
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| 15:06.42 | jelly | uffo: ls -l /usr/bin/madedit |
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| 15:08.35 | uffo | jelly: i do not understand what is use of it but "-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 4878256 2009-02-14 15:55 /usr/bin/madedit" |
| 15:08.43 | ||cw | is it possible that this program is looking up the home dir in passwd and using that? |
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| 15:09.24 | karlpinc | \q |
| 15:09.31 | ||cw | uffo: you may have to check the source of this program to see how it decides where to write the setting |
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| 15:09.46 | jordanm | always possible... but would be stupid when you can grab an env variable containing that info... without needing to parse a text file |
| 15:10.33 | ||cw | yeah and programmers never every do anything the hard way :D |
| 15:10.53 | ||cw | I've seen for more stupid code |
| 15:10.56 | ||cw | far^^ |
| 15:12.20 | uffo | ||cw: i am no programmer as i said but i just want to change home directory location to certain program (make program think tat home is /media/data/settings) |
| 15:13.14 | simonrvn | people have told you how repeatedly |
| 15:13.29 | ||cw | if putting HOME= in front doens't do it then you have to check the source to see what odd thing it's doing |
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| 15:14.27 | ||cw | you could also just symlink it |
| 15:14.28 | jelly | uffo: the use of it is to try to figure out your errors. |
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| 15:15.25 | jelly | uffo: please pastebin the complete output of "HOME=/media/data/settings madedit" command. Does that directory exist, and is it writable b your user? |
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| 15:16.04 | lindi- | uffo: hmm, is madedit in debian? I can't find it |
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| 15:16.43 | lindi- | tried to look at source |
| 15:17.06 | Appetite | What is the user irc for in debian? |
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| 15:17.18 | lindi- | Appetite: for running ircd |
| 15:17.23 | qwd | hm, I was going to update and got a message about untrusted versions. anyone else with sid and debian multimedia got this? I'm guessing it's from debian multimedia. libswscale0 libavutil50 libavfilter1 libavdevice52 libavcodec52 ffmpeg libpostproc51 libavformat52 |
| 15:17.43 | Appetite | lindi-: it is included in the default debian install though, why would it be there? |
| 15:18.28 | lindi- | Appetite: madedit? |
| 15:18.32 | jordanm | qwd: "untrusted" typically means that you do not have the proper key in your keyring |
| 15:18.39 | Appetite | lindi-: what? |
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| 15:18.48 | lindi- | Appetite: ah irc user, well because it has a reserved UID |
| 15:19.06 | qwd | jordanm: I've never gotten it before though so either someone made a mistake and didn't sign the packages or something fishy is going on |
| 15:19.13 | Appetite | lindi-: is it fine to remove it? |
| 15:19.14 | jelly | qwd: your third-party repo changed the pgp key used for signing releases/ |
| 15:19.15 | lindi- | Appetite: it's one of those UIDs in the 1-100 range that have a fixed UID |
| 15:19.19 | jelly | qwd: possibly |
| 15:19.26 | uffo | jelly: sourceforge has .deb |
| 15:19.27 | lindi- | Appetite: why would you want to remove it? |
| 15:19.36 | jordanm | qwd: that is possible.. I would not expect the same quality out of DMM as main or backports |
| 15:19.36 | Appetite | lindi-: to use it to run an ircd |
| 15:19.45 | Appetite | im currently using the user irc-data but i'd prefer just irc |
| 15:19.57 | jordanm | qwd: I would send an email to their mailing list |
| 15:20.14 | uffo | jelly: http://downloads.sourceforge.net/project/madedit/MadEdit/MadEdit-0.2.9/madedit_0.2.9-1_i386.deb?use_mirror=kent |
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| 15:20.31 | jelly | uffo: ok, but... why are you telling me this? |
| 15:20.56 | qwd | how can I check which repository the packages are from? aptitude show doesn't seem to do it |
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| 15:21.01 | uffo | jelly: sorry it was for lindi |
| 15:21.09 | jordanm | qwd: apt-cache policy |
| 15:21.17 | lindi- | uffo: is the source package available somewhere? |
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| 15:22.15 | uffo | lindi-: http://downloads.sourceforge.net/project/madedit/MadEdit/MadEdit-0.2.9/madedit-0.2.9.tar.gz?use_mirror=switch |
| 15:22.31 | qwd | yeah seems to be from debian multimediadidn't see anything about key change on the website so I'll contact them. thanks jordanm and jelly. |
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| 15:22.44 | lindi- | uffo: that's not exactly debian source package |
| 15:22.52 | jordanm | uffo: "source package" refers to a .dsc file |
| 15:22.57 | lindi- | uffo: debian source package consists of a dsc file |
| 15:22.59 | ||cw | it's using wx's libs to get the user's home |
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| 15:23.14 | lindi- | g_MadEditHomeDir=wxStandardPaths::Get().GetUserDataDir() +wxFILE_SEP_PATH; |
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| 15:24.22 | uffo | lindi-: as i said i am not programmer and my goal is not messing with sources but finding way to change home folder location changing command for any program. |
| 15:24.55 | rvsjoen | to change what ? |
| 15:25.40 | jordanm | uffo: well, that function GetUserDataDir() just returns the users home directory. specifically "~" in the docs |
| 15:26.43 | ||cw | uffo: looks like HOME= should work |
| 15:27.00 | jordanm | uffo: you seem to be advertising "not a programmer" quite a bit. perhaps its time you learned enough to get by and make discoveries like lindi- has? |
| 15:27.03 | jelly | uffo: you were already given a way to change HOME for one command |
| 15:27.49 | ||cw | within wx, GetUserDataDir calls gethome which calls getuserhome which checks for the env var HOME |
| 15:28.08 | ||cw | .madedit is appended |
| 15:28.44 | uffo | where i can upload files ca 1-2 mb fast, i want show you all what is my goal |
| 15:29.00 | jordanm | what kind of file? |
| 15:29.31 | uffo | binary pack 300kb |
| 15:30.14 | jordanm | and what do you expect us to see in a binary blob of data? |
| 15:30.30 | wols | jordanm: paradise? |
| 15:30.42 | nkuttler | uffo: why do you thing you need to "change home folder location changing command for any program."? |
| 15:31.02 | nkuttler | s/thing/think/ |
| 15:31.05 | jordanm | nkuttler: to make it "windows like" even though... thats not windows like |
| 15:31.13 | nkuttler | uh |
| 15:31.41 | nkuttler | ok. why does he think he needs to make it "windows like" then? |
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| 15:31.53 | jordanm | nkuttler: never got that far... |
| 15:31.59 | rzeka | Is there any option to make debian as small as, let's say dsl? |
| 15:32.14 | wols | rzeka: no |
| 15:32.40 | jordanm | rzeka: no, DSL and the like compiles its binaries in way that features are stripped for the smaller size |
| 15:32.41 | lindi- | rzeka: emdebian are doing something related |
| 15:32.50 | rzeka | nothing nowhere? any faster? I've got 128 ram 10 year pc for debian server :( |
| 15:32.54 | rzeka | emdebian You say :) |
| 15:33.09 | ||cw | well, you can build your own debian distro do the same sort of things that dsl does |
| 15:33.30 | jordanm | but then he would be reinventing the wheel |
| 15:33.33 | wols | rzeka: what is the exact goal you have for this server? |
| 15:34.03 | uffo | http://www.2shared.com/file/nr8SZp-8/xchattar.html madedit was only example, my real plan is to use any program without installation like i currently use but only missing thing is settings location, library loading works fine from own folder. |
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| 15:34.14 | lindi- | rzeka: 128M is plenty for dhcp and dns server |
| 15:34.18 | rzeka | Spawn in very short time, and use 64-80 mb ram :) |
| 15:34.29 | rzeka | It's lan web server + samba |
| 15:34.33 | lindi- | rzeka: but you really should specify what kind of services you want to run |
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| 15:34.56 | lindi- | rzeka: 128M probably is enough for static web pages |
| 15:35.02 | wols | rzeka: will the webserver use php and mysql? if so, what is the CPU's speed? |
| 15:35.18 | wols | lindi-: not just probably |
| 15:35.28 | nkuttler | uffo: what do you mean, use a program without installation? |
| 15:35.39 | ||cw | rzeka: that's plenty of ram, you just wont' have much in cache |
| 15:35.41 | nkuttler | uffo: do you want to run everything from ~/ ? |
| 15:35.49 | Appetite | 128M is not enough for mysql... unless you swap a bunch |
| 15:35.51 | rzeka | cpu got about 950 MHz. php + mysql usage, but not very much, let's say my users doesn't query the server 24/7 |
| 15:36.01 | rzeka | I can make swap > 1gb :) |
| 15:36.06 | ||cw | you'll want to tweak the web server to keep fewer spares and fewer max childs |
| 15:36.16 | lindi- | rzeka: how about just adding more ram? |
| 15:36.20 | jordanm | I was running on 200mb VPS... that was hosting wordpress sites using mysql and apache... it did a bit of swapping but overall was fine |
| 15:36.23 | wols | rzeka: you might have to cutt down mysql's memory hunger a bit but other than that you will be fine |
| 15:36.24 | Appetite | rzeka: so? swap is horribly slow and WILL become abottleneck for any size application |
| 15:36.28 | ||cw | it won't handle as many clients, but if you have a couple PC's hitting it anyway that's not a problem |
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| 15:37.09 | rzeka | How can I cutt mysql's memory hunger? : D |
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| 15:37.15 | jeward | Hi, a few months ago, I set kernels not to be upgraded. Now I want to install this new kernel and I can't remember how to unblock it? :) |
| 15:37.36 | lindi- | tries to create his own liveusb: sudo lh config --packages elinks -b usb-hdd -p gnome -m http://apt-proxy:9999/debian --bootappend-live "keyb=fi" |
| 15:37.47 | Appetite | rzeka: yes but lower ram means slower mysql queries |
| 15:38.32 | rzeka | It can be slower :) As I said, speed isn't very important here |
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| 15:38.46 | wols | rzeka: try the default config first. then if mysql uses too much or swaps too much, optimize. not before |
| 15:38.51 | jordanm | jeward: aptitude unhold |
| 15:39.02 | jeward | jordanm: Thanks! |
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| 15:39.09 | uffo | nkuttler: do you know portableapps.com that has windows apps, all apps stores settings in own folder so i want that do on linux too, look my example program and you see that libs are already loaded from own folder but i want update that script to change settings location too |
| 15:39.13 | rzeka | ok |
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| 15:39.44 | Justin | uffo: so change it. |
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| 15:40.47 | wols | uffo: portableapps are specially compiled! they aren't "portable" out of the box... |
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| 15:41.00 | nkuttler | ./configure --help comes to mind |
| 15:41.18 | jordanm | wols: he can't statically link the binaries because "he is not a programmer", or so I was told an hour ago |
| 15:41.29 | wols | uffo: so you want all linux apps to be "portable" and I want a pink pony. neither of us will get his wish. if you need to cry, please do it in the corner over there -> |
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| 15:42.04 | ||cw | madedit uses wxWidgets for all this though, so you'd have to either change it to use something else, or make a special wx version too |
| 15:42.17 | ornia | I tried to apt-get source linux-image-2.6.32-5-xen-amd64 but it fetched linux-2.6_2.6.32-13 source instead. |
| 15:42.45 | ||cw | ornia: only difference is the config file, and you have that in /boot |
| 15:43.00 | ornia | I patched the source so that a driver could function correctly, but I am wondering if I should do anything else to make it compile to the same as the stock 2.6.32-5-xen-amd64 kernel (especially with Xen dom0 and domU support) |
| 15:43.19 | lindi- | ornia: one source package provides multiple binary packages. -xen-amd64 is probably one of them |
| 15:43.25 | uffo | wols: maybe you just like installing apps always, my mission is not this |
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| 15:43.41 | wols | uffo: get a clue |
| 15:43.43 | ||cw | cp /boot/config-2.6.32-5-xen-amd64 ./config && make oldconfig |
| 15:43.46 | ornia | lindi-: So how do I specifically compile the -xen-amd64 version of the source tree that I have (which has been successfully patched)? |
| 15:44.02 | ||cw | er, not ./config, .config |
| 15:44.22 | ornia | ||cw: This is assuming my pwd is the root dir of the source tree |
| 15:44.37 | lindi- | ornia: this probably has changed, i'll take a quick look at 'apt-get source linux-image-2.6.32-5-xen-amd64' |
| 15:45.05 | ||cw | sure |
| 15:45.05 | ornia | lindi-: Excellent, thanks. |
| 15:45.12 | lindi- | ornia: source package is just "linux-2.6" |
| 15:45.34 | ornia | Yeah so I am worried that Xen support won't be there, and was going to use make menuconfig to check. |
| 15:45.45 | wols | lindi-: it always is. there always is only a single kernel source for all packages |
| 15:45.51 | ornia | But ||cw says I might be able to take care of that using the stock 2.6.32-5-xen-amd64 config in /boot |
| 15:46.17 | lindi- | wols: openmoko still has a separate source package for its kernel :) |
| 15:46.32 | ornia | ||cw: So by using make oldconfig, it will compile, but to what? A vmlinuz type of file? |
| 15:46.46 | ornia | Like straight up kernel image in my pwd should appear? |
| 15:46.51 | ||cw | ornia: if you /really/ want to follow the debian way, this guide works http://blog.avirtualhome.com/2010/05/05/how-to-compile-a-ubuntu-lucid-kernel/ |
| 15:46.59 | ornia | ubuntu, eh? |
| 15:47.04 | ornia | Does that use kernel-package? |
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| 15:47.14 | ||cw | just replace the generic ubuntu tags with the xen ones |
| 15:47.38 | jordanm | !compile kernel |
| 15:47.39 | dpkg | [kernel-package] To compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "aptitude install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz. You should also ask me about <make-kpkg>, <kp mantra> and <kernel build-deps>. |
| 15:47.45 | ||cw | it uses fakeroot debian/rules |
| 15:48.12 | ||cw | it may be an ubuntu guide, but it's fully debian'ss method |
| 15:48.23 | lindi- | jordanm: but that takes upstream source and creates a debian package |
| 15:48.43 | jordanm | sorry, I must have missed the inital goal, I thought that is what it was |
| 15:48.45 | ornia | If I run make menuconfig in the root source dir, and I have already did the step you suggested of running cp /boot/config-2.6.32-5-xen-amd64 .config will I be able to modify things based on that stock Debian 2.6.32-5-xen config? |
| 15:49.07 | ||cw | ornia: yeah |
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| 15:49.28 | ornia | Yeah I have Debian sources jordanm that I have patched, and now want as close to my current (stock) Debian kernel as possible, with the patch I need. |
| 15:49.37 | ornia | mvsas driver is totally broken =/ |
| 15:49.53 | ornia | It's something that needs to be taken care of upstream though. |
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| 15:50.21 | jordanm | I would think you just apply your patch and rebuild using kernel-package... I have done so using ck patches |
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| 15:50.35 | lindi- | jordanm: won't that remove all debian patches? |
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| 15:53.34 | lindi- | ||cw: that blog post is interesting |
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| 15:54.00 | ||cw | yeah, bit of a peak into how to define new build target profiles |
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| 15:54.38 | uffo | okay finally "HOME=/media/DATA/settings; madedit" i found that case sensitive is required, it was DATA not data. Now i try to find way to integrate this with y script and portable software is completed |
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| 15:54.51 | ||cw | and I do like that it uses git so when I need to update the kernel i don't have to apply my patches again |
| 15:55.15 | ||cw | uffo: uh, yeah, *nix is case sensitive |
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| 15:55.47 | lindi- | uffo: if you can figure out how to do that with gconf let me know |
| 15:56.39 | ornia | ||cw: Hmm, so I tried what you recommended and copied the config file over |
| 15:56.43 | jordanm | lindi-: ah, see what you all are saying now. I did apply my patches to vanilla sources. however, as I understood the patches are applied when the source package is unpacked, meaning the patches are still there and applied, but are no longer patched in debian/patches |
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| 15:56.59 | ornia | Then I ran make menuconfig for it but cannot find any part of it talking about Xen |
| 15:57.06 | ornia | The virtualisation section only has KVM stuff |
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| 15:58.06 | jordanm | ornia: xen is not a part of the mainline kernel, you applied your patches already? did you try searching with "/"? |
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| 16:00.04 | niklaswe | ornia: search with shit + / and type xen then you will see what you must enable in the kernel. |
| 16:00.15 | niklaswe | jordanm: and xen are in the kernel |
| 16:00.18 | niklaswe | but you must enable it |
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| 16:00.58 | oKtosiTe | niklaswe: that should probably read shift |
| 16:01.02 | jordanm | niklaswe: part of the reason RHEL dropped xen was because it was *not* part of the upstream kernel |
| 16:01.12 | jordanm | atleast dom0 support |
| 16:01.55 | Appetite | how do i enable the usage of the .bash_history command logging? |
| 16:02.14 | ||cw | doens't dom0 only work with a .18 kernel or something similarly old or am I thinking of something else |
| 16:02.24 | lindi- | Appetite: it should be the default |
| 16:02.34 | Appetite | lindi-: i dont think it is working, then, ill check |
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| 16:03.17 | niklaswe | oKtosiTe: hehe yeas :P |
| 16:03.33 | ||cw | Appetite: if you have multiple terminal sessions only one will work |
| 16:03.54 | Appetite | ||cw: if multiple people are logged on via ssh will it log everyone's command properly, though? |
| 16:04.06 | Appetite | and by default does it set the perms so the user can't edit their own .bash_history? |
| 16:04.33 | ||cw | uh |
| 16:04.42 | ||cw | ssh is a terminal session |
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| 16:05.07 | rysiek|pl | yello |
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| 16:05.20 | Appetite | yes, but i'm saying if there are lets say, 5 people logged in via ssh, it wont work? ||cw |
| 16:05.21 | ||cw | and why would you have multiple people logging in to the same account? |
| 16:05.31 | Appetite | ||cw: oh i mean diff accounts, so nvm |
| 16:05.38 | Appetite | it's all sorted out now ;p |
| 16:05.47 | rysiek|pl | guys, I am trying to make OpenLDAP (straight from the debian repos) listen both on ldap:// (389/tcp) and ldaps:// (636/tcp) |
| 16:05.49 | valdyn | Appetite: .bash_history is not a tool to control or spy on people |
| 16:06.02 | rysiek|pl | I went throufgh the administraction/sinatllation guide on debian-administration |
| 16:06.04 | Appetite | valdyn: oh i know, i have snoopy installed |
| 16:06.12 | rysiek|pl | got my nice self-signed cert |
| 16:06.23 | Appetite | valdyn: but it's still nice to have .bash_history for brief/quick checking if nothing is wrong but you are jsut checking up on the user |
| 16:06.24 | rysiek|pl | but whatever I do, nothin listens on 636 |
| 16:06.29 | rysiek|pl | *nothing |
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| 16:07.47 | rysiek|pl | any hints? |
| 16:07.48 | Appetite | is it normal to have 63 of these running? |
| 16:07.49 | Appetite | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:07.59 | Appetite | shows 63 console-kit-da, which i dont know what it is |
| 16:08.01 | valdyn | Appetite: yes |
| 16:08.07 | Appetite | valdyn: aight, what does that do? |
| 16:08.32 | valdyn | Appetite: monitors tty afaik |
| 16:08.42 | Appetite | valdyn: ok, do you know what hald does? |
| 16:08.49 | Appetite | it's using up decent amoutn of ram |
| 16:09.15 | valdyn | Appetite: like what? 3mb? |
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| 16:09.35 | Appetite | valdyn: probably, it's very low, but still, it's second highest mem user |
| 16:10.08 | valdyn | Appetite: then you have nothing running that is actually doing something useful beyond maintaining the system |
| 16:10.28 | Appetite | valdyn: what does hald do though, i was asking? |
| 16:10.44 | Appetite | and no, i dont have anything except a znc running atm, which is below the hald processes |
| 16:10.45 | valdyn | Appetite: im sure wikipedia can explain it better than I ever could |
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| 16:11.54 | valdyn | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HAL_%28software%29 |
| 16:12.00 | Appetite | yeah i see,thanks ;p |
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| 16:15.41 | Appetite | valdyn: should udevd and hald be running? i thought from what i read that people use one or the other |
| 16:16.17 | valdyn | Appetite: they should |
| 16:16.21 | Appetite | k |
| 16:16.32 | Appetite | wait, they should to the first question? or the comment after the question? |
| 16:16.53 | valdyn | Appetite: both should be running |
| 16:16.54 | uffo | ||cw: lindi-: jelly: I got it working almost, strange is that script first opens madedit with original settings from HOME and when i close then it reopens automatically using settings from own folder http://pastebin.com/DSKEC353 |
| 16:16.58 | Appetite | k |
| 16:17.08 | valdyn | Appetite: why are you questioning these things at all? |
| 16:17.23 | Appetite | valdyn: because i want to know what is running and why..? |
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| 16:18.23 | wols | lindi-: is openmoko part of debian? |
| 16:18.43 | valdyn | Appetite: thats throw away knowledge, better learn how to learn why one process is needed ;) |
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| 16:20.00 | ornia | ||cw: The 2.6.32-xen kernel in sid has dom0 support |
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| 16:20.16 | ornia | My questions have been surrounding this very kernel I am about to compile for my Xen dom0 |
| 16:21.05 | ornia | I have copied my config-2.6.32-5-xen-amd64 from /boot/ to the kernel source tree root, renamed it to .config, then ran make menuconfig and removed things I'll never have |
| 16:21.27 | ornia | ||cw: Should I follow your advice and do make oldconfig |
| 16:21.36 | ornia | to finish compiling the kernel to get a complete kernel image file? |
| 16:24.30 | lindi- | wols: it's still in git.debian.org waiting to enter official archive i think |
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| 16:29.03 | ||cw | ornia: i guess so |
| 16:29.18 | ||cw | there's no shortage of debian kernel compile howto's |
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| 16:29.24 | wols | lindi-: the way openmoko and freerunner are going, I doubt it will ever get in.... android has won that market |
| 16:29.56 | wols | ornia: make oldconfig doesn't finish anything |
| 16:30.04 | ornia | wols: So I found out |
| 16:30.07 | wols | !tell ornia about kernel-package |
| 16:30.27 | ornia | wols: Should I use kernel-package even though I am starting with Debian source package and not vanilla upstream sources? |
| 16:30.44 | ||cw | all make oldconfig does is make sure anything added to the kernel gets propagated to the config file |
| 16:30.53 | ||cw | yes |
| 16:31.05 | ||cw | kernel-package has nothing to do with vanilla |
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| 16:34.52 | SuperMiguel | squeeze by default uses ext3 right |
| 16:34.53 | SuperMiguel | ? |
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| 16:36.29 | jelly | uffo: it's not strange at all, since that's exactly you've told it to do |
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| 16:37.29 | jelly | uffo: you shouldn't use relative paths for HOME or LD_LIBRARY_PATH, use absolute paths instead, or at least cd to the correct directory in the script first |
| 16:38.20 | jordanm | jelly: again something I said over an hour ago... |
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| 16:38.52 | jordanm | isn't great when people ask for help/advice then ignore it when given? |
| 16:38.54 | jelly | sadly I'm aware of that |
| 16:40.05 | ornia | Okay so I just finished reading the bulk of the kernel-package readme... not trying to do anything fancy or nothin but |
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| 16:40.32 | ornia | make-kpkg --initrd kernel_image |
| 16:40.39 | ornia | seems to be what it says I need to do |
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| 16:41.58 | sotmg | I can't find new vlc .deb packages for debian-lenny in google, any ideas on where to look? |
| 16:42.00 | lindi- | wols: i doubt android will be included in debian |
| 16:42.13 | jordanm | !dmm |
| 16:42.14 | dpkg | [dmm] Debian Multimedia is a repository of unofficial packages maintained by Christian Marillat, not in Debian for patent-related reasons. For information on how to access, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm lenny> <dmm squeeze>. During 2010, this repository grew a non-free part, with all binary-only packages moved there; you may need to add " non-free" to your sources lines. |
| 16:42.20 | jordanm | sotmg: dmm repo |
| 16:42.32 | sotmg | Only mplayer is there. |
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| 16:42.38 | sotmg | VLC is not. :( |
| 16:42.59 | wols | lindi-: it won't, my point was freerunner is dead as a doorstop and hence no real interest anymore to include it |
| 16:43.12 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions vlc |
| 16:43.13 | judd | vlc -- etch: 0.8.6-svn20061012.debian-5.1+etch3; etch-security: 0.8.6-svn20061012.debian-5.1+etch3; lenny: 0.8.6.h-4+lenny2; lenny-security: 0.8.6.h-4+lenny2.3; sid: 1.0.6-1; squeeze: 1.0.6-1 |
| 16:43.17 | jordanm | sotmg: it is there, did you run aptitude update after adding the repo? |
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| 16:43.24 | sotmg | yes |
| 16:43.39 | sotmg | only 0.8.6 is availabe |
| 16:43.42 | jordanm | sotmg: pastebin: apt-cache policy; apt-cache policy vlc |
| 16:43.50 | sotmg | ok |
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| 16:44.12 | jordanm | sotmg: wait, you were saying its not there... but now your saying it is there but you want a newer version? |
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| 16:44.43 | sotmg | yes, thats what my first question was. |
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| 16:44.58 | sotmg | 0.8.6 is old and can't play new MKV files or have lots of problems. |
| 16:45.18 | sotmg | http://pastebin.com/QydBkmuN |
| 16:45.51 | jelly | uffo: have a free more sensible version: http://pastebin.com/nppeQvgk |
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| 16:46.36 | sotmg | It can't play flv files too, not all of them. |
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| 16:48.16 | jelly | uffo: that foo.sh should be put wherever the foo binary is installed, then symlinked somewhere in path. /usr/bin probably _shouldn't_ contain the real binary |
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| 16:49.31 | blue_anna | is there a command like uptime but shows the load per core? |
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| 16:50.40 | jhutchins_lt | !tell sotmg about ssb |
| 16:51.02 | jordanm | blue_anna: htop will show load per core... but is interactive |
| 16:51.10 | jelly | blue_anna: process in general don't request to be run on a certain core unless they're specifically written to, or if a tool like taskset is used to set cpu affinity |
| 16:51.21 | jelly | processes* |
| 16:51.43 | blue_anna | jelly or I'm an ignorant ruby programmer :P |
| 16:52.11 | jelly | blue_anna: that's orthogonal to this issue ;-) |
| 16:52.20 | blue_anna | I really just want a one-liner with no gui |
| 16:52.27 | jelly | "why" |
| 16:52.30 | blue_anna | jelly: :) not as much as I'd hope |
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| 16:53.12 | jelly | !wayttd blue_anna |
| 16:53.12 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, blue_anna? |
| 16:53.46 | jelly | jordanm: top does that too, just not by default (press 1) |
| 16:54.03 | uffo | jelly: thank you very very much your script works fine and no double launch anymore, blender is portable, madedit... this is what i always wanted, it is like holy grail to me. |
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| 16:54.04 | jordanm | jelly: ah, nice! |
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| 16:54.37 | jhutchins_lt | Is there not a web form for reporting bugs? |
| 16:55.06 | blue_anna | jelly: I explained that just fine. I want a one line tool to see per core load averages. gnome-system-monitor does it, it must be possible without the gui |
| 16:55.06 | jordanm | jhutchins_lt: all it is email... you could use web email client like gmail :) |
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| 16:55.47 | valdyn | blue_anna: load average is not what you really mean |
| 16:56.00 | jordanm | blue_anna: I believe he was more asking for the purpose, possibly to determine if you are dealing with an "xy problem" |
| 16:56.01 | jelly | uffo: you ought to invest time to figure out how it works |
| 16:56.03 | jordanm | !xy problem |
| 16:56.03 | dpkg | [xyproblem] People often falsely diagnose problems because they are looking too closely at a problem: they have got stuck at a particular point (Y) doing something (X) and so ask about step Y, not realising that there is an easier or better way to do X in the first place. See http://mywiki.wooledge.org/XyProblem or http://homepages.tesco.net/J.deBoynePollard/FGA/put-down-the-chocolate-covered-banana.html |
| 16:56.04 | Weisser | Hi, i created a file .asoundrc with special rules for alsa |
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| 16:56.15 | sotmg | thanks. |
| 16:56.25 | shylent | blue_anna: top has a batch mode, check `man top' |
| 16:56.35 | valdyn | blue_anna: its also pointless because processes are moved around all the time, they dont stay on one cpu |
| 16:56.38 | Weisser | i created .asoundrc file in home dir, it was supposed to connect idjc (shoutcast/icecast client) and skype |
| 16:56.42 | blue_anna | jordanm: that's exactly the purpose though :) I'd really rather see per core load averages, than the additive value without anything further discerned |
| 16:56.47 | blue_anna | woah wait |
| 16:56.50 | blue_anna | hah |
| 16:56.55 | Weisser | skype does not see the possible new device, how do i know why is that |
| 16:56.56 | blue_anna | getting too many responses |
| 16:57.14 | blue_anna | valdyn: that's not really the issue |
| 16:57.17 | jelly | blue_anna: oh. what you call "load average" then isn't what it usually means |
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| 16:57.34 | valdyn | blue_anna: sure, that is why its pointless so monitor per core avg use |
| 16:57.38 | jelly | !loadavg |
| 16:57.38 | dpkg | methinks load average is the number of processes that are either in a "runnable" (waiting for CPU) or uninterruptable state, averaged over time. It's like the number of people in line at the checkout. It's possible to have a high load average with low CPU utilization if systems are waiting for other resources, eg: I/O, network socket responses. |
| 16:57.54 | blue_anna | valdyn: and load average happens to be what I mean -- although if you want to argue that the calculation itself is a bad estimate, that's fine. I'm really not trying to be that theoretical |
| 16:58.02 | valdyn | blue_anna: becase that stat is the same across all cpu |
| 16:58.19 | uffo | jelly: i want to credit you inside script, what i should add to end of script that comments you, i pan to use it and spread it for lot of software that can be made portabe |
| 16:58.25 | blue_anna | valdyn: that's not *necessarily* the case |
| 16:58.27 | valdyn | blue_anna: load average is only sometimes even related to cpu |
| 16:59.00 | valdyn | blue_anna: yea, its not the case on special architectures or when you use cpu affinity |
| 16:59.09 | jelly | uffo: no need, it's really trivial |
| 16:59.18 | blue_anna | valdyn: I think you're being too theoretical. thi9s is a practical issue. it's not "why should I (or not) want to look at the load average on a core" -- it's how do I do that |
| 16:59.40 | valdyn | blue_anna: do you mean what dpkg just said? |
| 16:59.49 | valdyn | blue_anna: or do you really mean the avg core utilisation? |
| 17:00.02 | blue_anna | dpkg: valdyn: I mean this http://blog.scoutapp.com/articles/2009/07/31/understanding-load-averages |
| 17:00.02 | dpkg | blue_anna: You are person #1 to send an unparseable request |
| 17:00.18 | blue_anna | lol |
| 17:00.25 | jhutchins_lt | blue_anna: Also check out the sysstat package. |
| 17:00.37 | blue_anna | sysstat -- thank you |
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| 17:01.24 | valdyn | blue_anna: load average cannot be projected on a per cpu average |
| 17:01.35 | uffo | jelly: ok thanks, bye now and thanks again one more time |
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| 17:02.09 | unkmar | and that is how the west was one. |
| 17:02.18 | valdyn | blue_anna: because its defined by the number of process waiting for a resource |
| 17:02.34 | blue_anna | valdyn: ooh |
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| 17:02.40 | blue_anna | jesus I'm being thick |
| 17:02.56 | blue_anna | you mean that the cores are not defined as seperate resources to the kernel? |
| 17:03.12 | valdyn | blue_anna: and that resource can be cpu time, but it can also be network or harddisk |
| 17:03.13 | ||cw | they are, but they are not the only resources |
| 17:03.19 | blue_anna | or that there is an abstraction between them and the scheduler |
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| 17:03.41 | valdyn | blue_anna: if you have 10 cores and 10 processes are waiting for cpu time |
| 17:03.55 | valdyn | blue_anna: then the load is 10 |
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| 17:04.20 | valdyn | blue_anna: if you have any number of cores and 10 processes are waiting for cpu time then the load is *still* 10 |
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| 17:04.47 | blue_anna | valdyn: ok |
| 17:05.07 | blue_anna | valdyn: but I don't see how the load average increases additively in line with the number of cores |
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| 17:05.24 | valdyn | blue_anna: any of these processes is just waiting for a time slice, doesnt matter which core or if you even have more than 1 core |
| 17:05.28 | blue_anna | valdyn: 1.0 load average on one core = 4.0 load average on 4 cores |
| 17:05.37 | valdyn | blue_anna: no |
| 17:05.52 | blue_anna | valdyn: http://blog.scoutapp.com/articles/2009/07/31/understanding-load-averages -- this was jsut written last year |
| 17:06.09 | blue_anna | valdyn: and my 4 core behaves *exactly* as if it were true |
| 17:07.06 | valdyn | blue_anna: reading |
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| 17:12.18 | unkmar | I am running "festival --server" it lists as being started on port 1314. I attempt to send it commands via "nc localhost 1314" and it does not appear to be listening. any ideas? |
| 17:13.13 | blue_anna | valdyn: the way you were talking though, made me think you are really right -- I mean, that for scheduling purposes there mustn't be a direct access to the core, or at least it is basically not used. that's like a level of abstraction between a system's processors and the scheduler, and they all would look like 1 processor to the scheduler, even if you can interigate them seperately somewhere else. |
| 17:13.32 | valdyn | blue_anna: were not both wrong |
| 17:13.36 | lindi- | unkmar: nc -v localhost 1314? |
| 17:13.41 | blue_anna | valdyn: then the load average would still be identical across all the cores, -- oh? |
| 17:13.44 | valdyn | blue_anna: i mean, he's right, but that doesn't mean im wrong |
| 17:14.10 | unkmar | lindi-: no result. Just sits there. |
| 17:14.18 | blue_anna | valdyn: no I kinda got the feeling you knew what you wer talking about fifteen minutes ago :) |
| 17:14.22 | valdyn | blue_anna: or a dual core will handle a load of 2 like a single core handles a load of 1 |
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| 17:14.29 | blue_anna | valdyn: yea |
| 17:14.48 | blue_anna | valdyn: so the cores are treated additively in terms of load average |
| 17:14.48 | lindi- | unkmar: it does not print anything? |
| 17:14.52 | valdyn | blue_anna: but you still cant do a "load average per core", that does not make sense |
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| 17:15.26 | unkmar | lindi-: No errors at the festival server and nothing returned in netcast. |
| 17:15.37 | blue_anna | valdyn: but the load average is the processes waiting for a core ... in the scheduler. if the scheduler doesn't directly assign processes to cores, then all the processes still appear like just one process |
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| 17:16.00 | blue_anna | ** processors still appear like one processor :P |
| 17:16.04 | blue_anna | lol |
| 17:16.14 | lindi- | unkmar: nc with -v should print something regardless of festival |
| 17:16.26 | blue_anna | valdyn: thank you -- I get it now |
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| 17:16.51 | blue_anna | how could I get a one-liner that outputs cpu% per core? |
| 17:16.56 | lindi- | unkmar: can you try "strace -o nc.strace -f -s256 nc -v localhost 1314" and put nc.strace online? |
| 17:17.02 | valdyn | blue_anna: processes get a specific core, but only until they get rescheduled again |
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| 17:17.19 | unkmar | lindi-: It does not. |
| 17:17.24 | blue_anna | I guess cpu% is next best thing |
| 17:17.36 | lindi- | unkmar: that nc.strace should provide information on why |
| 17:17.46 | valdyn | blue_anna: parse top? |
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| 17:18.36 | blue_anna | :o ...I've never scripted something that works with the console/gui readline from another program |
| 17:19.01 | greycat | blue_anna: top has a flag to give a single burst of output and stop. |
| 17:19.13 | unkmar | lindi-: I do not see a nc.strace |
| 17:19.18 | greycat | blue_anna: so, start with top -b |
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| 17:19.36 | lindi- | unkmar: what does "strace --version" print? |
| 17:19.42 | blue_anna | hey, check taht out :) thank you |
| 17:19.49 | jelly | blue_anna: what are you planning to use this data for, anyway |
| 17:19.56 | blue_anna | greycat: valdyn , ... everyone : thank you |
| 17:20.04 | newb0_ | I'm receiving now the error " Unable to verify the idpool, cannot continue initialization! " |
| 17:20.05 | unkmar | lindi-: I do not have strace |
| 17:20.11 | newb0_ | What could be? |
| 17:20.13 | greycat | blue_anna: you may also want to look into vmstat |
| 17:20.14 | lindi- | unkmar: better install it |
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| 17:20.25 | unkmar | doing that now. |
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| 17:22.49 | unkmar | lindi-: I have never used strace before. |
| 17:23.37 | lindi- | unkmar: it's a tool for tracing system calls made by programs |
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| 17:25.25 | tp43 | I am making the switch to testing from stable, would it be better? |
| 17:26.04 | SandWolf_0x37 | hi |
| 17:26.11 | greycat | it will be newer. it may or may not be better. |
| 17:26.13 | tp43 | hello |
| 17:26.22 | keith4 | i haven't set up a new lenny box in a loooong time. what happened to win32-codecs? did I miss something? |
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| 17:26.28 | tp43 | greycat, may or may not? |
| 17:26.40 | jordanm | !tell tp43 about moving target |
| 17:26.50 | tp43 | keith4, w32codecs its called |
| 17:26.52 | jordanm | keith4: DMM |
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| 17:26.58 | jordanm | !tell keith4 about dmm |
| 17:27.03 | tp43 | keith4, that and ffmpeg |
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| 17:27.45 | keith4 | "Package w32codecs is not available, but is referred to by another package. This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source" |
| 17:27.57 | tp43 | jordanm, but they say testing is good for desktops, its only for production server, that you better run stable |
| 17:28.01 | jordanm | keith4: do you have the dmm repository enabled? |
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| 17:28.15 | saulo | I'm with a problem at samba login. I'm receiving the message "check_ntlm_password: Authentication for user [saulo] -> [saulo] FAILED with error NT_STATUS_NO_SUCH_USER " and I need a direction to continue :( |
| 17:28.20 | tp43 | keith4, yeah, you have to go to mplayer website, and add their sources for that one, that and ffmpeg, |
| 17:28.26 | jordanm | tp43: well, I strongly disagree with "they" because of the reasons listed in the moving target factoid |
| 17:28.42 | jordanm | tp43: he does not need to add upstream sources.. |
| 17:28.43 | keith4 | jordanm: as long as that's just this, in sources.list: deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org lenny main non-free |
| 17:28.51 | tp43 | jordanm, oh, I was reading the debian reference manual, thats what it was saying |
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| 17:29.12 | tp43 | jordanm, hmm, how do you play xvids? |
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| 17:29.13 | keith4 | saulo: sounds like that user doesn't exist in the samba user table |
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| 17:29.28 | keith4 | tp43: wait. i have to use mplayer's repo? |
| 17:29.30 | jordanm | !win32codecs |
| 17:29.30 | dpkg | w32codecs is a <non-free> package not distributed by Debian due to legal issues. The package provides codecs for several multimedia formats, such as DivX ;-), RealAudio/RealVideo, and Windows Media. To get w32codecs, ask me about <debian-multimedia>. If you are looking for similar plugins for gstreamer, then look at the gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly and gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg-full packages. |
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| 17:29.40 | jordanm | tp43: possibly dated... or newer than I am aware |
| 17:29.57 | jordanm | keith4: are you on amd64? |
| 17:30.06 | keith4 | uh.... yes |
| 17:30.19 | jordanm | I am not sure how 32bit codecs work with that... |
| 17:30.24 | tp43 | jordanm, yep, that is what I have been missing, gstreamer0.10-plugins |
| 17:30.40 | jordanm | keith4: you probably need win64codecs or something |
| 17:30.54 | keith4 | oh, duh |
| 17:30.55 | unkmar | lindi-: still no luck. |
| 17:31.08 | lindi- | unkmar: can you put the nc.strace online? |
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| 17:31.22 | unkmar | lindi-: I can't find nc.strace let alone put it online. |
| 17:31.32 | unkmar | oh, there it is. |
| 17:31.43 | lindi- | unkmar: the command "strace -o nc.strace -f -s256 nc -v localhost 1314" should create it |
| 17:31.43 | unkmar | !paste |
| 17:31.44 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>. |
| 17:32.12 | keith4 | hooray! thanks jordanm |
| 17:32.27 | jordanm | keith4: np |
| 17:33.00 | tp43 | !debian-multimedia |
| 17:33.00 | dpkg | [dmm] Debian Multimedia is a repository of unofficial packages maintained by Christian Marillat, not in Debian for patent-related reasons. For information on how to access, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm lenny> <dmm squeeze>. During 2010, this repository grew a non-free part, with all binary-only packages moved there; you may need to add " non-free" to your sources lines. |
| 17:33.01 | saulo | keith4: I receive this too: "check_sam_security: Couldn't find user 'saulo' in passdb. " But I'm using LDAP, what could I test now? |
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| 17:34.02 | unkmar | lindi-: my copy paste is no working either. :( |
| 17:34.03 | greycat | saulo: perhaps #samba might be better able to help |
| 17:34.24 | unkmar | lindi-: I'll upload the file somewhere. |
| 17:34.51 | saulo | greycat: Tryed there, so many people, nobody interacts at channel :( |
| 17:35.54 | jelly | saulo: different channels are active in different timezones, it's best to be patient and wait a few hours or even days if the people count is low |
| 17:36.29 | greycat | #samba has 117 users in it, but I have no idea how active the helpful ones are |
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| 17:36.52 | jelly | or how helpful the active ones are :> |
| 17:38.05 | unkmar | lindi-: http://my.unkmar.com/nc.strace |
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| 17:38.36 | jordanm | would use a mailing list if a wait of "days" is expected |
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| 17:39.01 | greycat | I'd google "how to samba auth ldap" or something |
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| 17:39.49 | lindi- | unkmar: hmm |
| 17:40.12 | jordanm | lot of files not found |
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| 17:40.46 | lindi- | jordanm: that's probably normal |
| 17:40.54 | unkmar | lindi-: reload, I didn't have festival --server running at that time. already replaced that file. |
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| 17:41.01 | greycat | I haven't looked at the strace in question, but it's completely normal and expected for most programs to attempt to open lots and lots of files that aren't present. |
| 17:41.16 | lindi- | unkmar: what does "nc --version" print? |
| 17:41.29 | lindi- | unkmar: debian has multiple nc versions |
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| 17:41.47 | unkmar | lindi-: invalid option |
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| 17:42.30 | unkmar | lindi-: it is v1.10-38 |
| 17:42.49 | lindi- | unkmar: ls -l /etc/alternatives/nc? |
| 17:43.36 | unkmar | lindi-: "nc nc.1.gz" |
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| 17:44.09 | greycat | lindi-: ls -l /etc/alternatives/nc should give something like lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 19 2009-03-23 11:20 /etc/alternatives/nc -> /bin/nc.traditional |
| 17:44.13 | lindi- | unkmar: "ls -l" should print timestamps |
| 17:44.13 | jordanm | mine points to /bin/nc.traditional |
| 17:44.20 | greycat | err. one of you. |
| 17:44.39 | greycat | "readlink /etc/alternatives/nc" would also be useful here |
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| 17:45.10 | unkmar | lindi-: 2010-05-16 14:33 |
| 17:45.23 | greycat | unkmar: what we care about is what the symlink points to, not the timestamps. |
| 17:45.26 | lindi- | unkmar: anyways even "nc.traditional -v localhost 1314" prints "localhost [127.0.0.1] 1314 (xtelw) : Connection refused" here |
| 17:45.30 | unkmar | lindi-: it points to /bin/nc.traditional |
| 17:46.13 | saulo | ok :( |
| 17:46.35 | WormFood | I just updated my squeeze install, and now my mouse quit working in X. It was working just fine before. I even went so far as to install xserver-xorg-input-mouse, but it does not seem to help. Anyone have any ideas what is going on? |
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| 17:47.14 | WormFood | it is a usb mouse....unplugging it, and plugging it back in does not help....of course the keyboard mouse (number pad) works ok. |
| 17:47.17 | lindi- | unkmar: I get 'connect(3, {sa_family=AF_INET, sin_port=htons(1314), sin_addr=inet_addr("127.0.0.1")}, 16) = -1 ECONNREFUSED (Connection refused)' |
| 17:47.24 | jordanm | WormFood: probably handled by xserver-xorg-input-evdev now |
| 17:47.28 | lindi- | unkmar: but for some reason you have 'connect(3, {sa_family=AF_INET, sin_port=htons(1314), sin_addr=inet_addr("127.0.0.1")}, 16) = ? ERESTARTSYS (To be restarted)' |
| 17:47.33 | WormFood | the xorg log file says it detected the mouse |
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| 17:47.51 | WormFood | jordanm, that is installed |
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| 17:48.31 | jordanm | WormFood: are you specifically loading "mouse" via xorg.conf? |
| 17:49.03 | WormFood | the xorg config has not been touched by me. I look in the log files, and it says it detects the mouse and it is enabled |
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| 17:49.41 | greycat | WormFood: what he meant was, "Do you have an xorg.conf that's specifically loading 'mouse'"? |
| 17:49.49 | abrotman | WormFood: mv your xorg.conf aside, try again |
| 17:49.52 | WormFood | I did update my nvidia driver while I had my machine down (out of X), but I've done that many times before, and it never screwed with the mouse. |
| 17:49.53 | jordanm | WormFood: does xorg.conf have any content? It should be safe to rm it if you are not using proprietary drivers |
| 17:49.56 | greycat | Regardless of whether you, personally, made the file. |
| 17:49.57 | lindi- | unkmar: maybe you have some firewalling done with iptables? |
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| 17:50.02 | lindi- | unkmar: that's just a guess |
| 17:50.04 | WormFood | let me check |
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| 17:50.26 | jhutchins_lt | WormFood: If it _does_ have content you can just move it to . |
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| 17:50.58 | unkmar | lindi-: maybe I do. I have never setup iptables before and would not have a clue where to start looking if that had occurred. This is pretty fresh install of debian. |
| 17:51.05 | WormFood | for what it is worth, I compared the original and the new xorg.conf, and they're the same |
| 17:51.13 | greycat | Debian doesn't set up a firewall by default. |
| 17:51.14 | lindi- | unkmar: that's why it sounds so odd |
| 17:51.35 | jelly | unkmar: which ip(s) and port(s) does the festival server really listen on? |
| 17:51.56 | jordanm | WormFood: that doesn't mean that the configs are handled differently after an upgrade of xserver... I remember when HAL was first pushed down the pipe to me... what a nightmare. /msg dpkg moving target |
| 17:52.03 | unkmar | jelly: doesn't give an ip. Does stat port 1314 |
| 17:52.12 | jelly | unkmar: show the relevant lines in eg. netstat -tupan |
| 17:52.49 | lindi- | jelly: regardless of festival nc.traditional should still print info |
| 17:52.58 | unkmar | it lists 0.0.0.0 |
| 17:53.05 | jelly | lindi-: "connection refused" is perfectly valid info |
| 17:53.21 | lindi- | jelly: but it does not print that |
| 17:53.24 | WormFood | ok, I'll try removing xorg.conf, and see what happens...I'll be back, and let you know if it works ;) |
| 17:53.40 | jelly | unkmar: the complete line please, or just pastebin the whole output of netstat -tupan |
| 17:53.59 | unkmar | jelly: I will type it. since my copy paste isn't working. |
| 17:54.19 | jelly | unkmar: use pastebinit |
| 17:54.30 | unkmar | jelly: tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:1314 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 14422/festival |
| 17:55.02 | jelly | alright, that looks reasonable |
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| 17:55.33 | jelly | unkmar: and telnet localhost 1314 doesn't work? |
| 17:55.51 | unkmar | jelly: apparently don't have telnet installed |
| 17:56.02 | jelly | heh |
| 17:56.06 | jelly | !installit |
| 17:56.06 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude. |
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| 17:56.53 | WormFood | nope, didn't work |
| 17:57.00 | unkmar | jelly: just says Trying 127.0.0.1... |
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| 17:58.33 | jordanm | WormFood: did xserver start? |
| 17:58.39 | WormFood | and the Xorg.0.log file shows it detects the mouse |
| 17:58.40 | jelly | unkmar: alright, break that, strace -ff -ofestival.strace -p 14422 & then telnet again and see what happens in the strace of festival process |
| 17:59.07 | WormFood | yes, jordanm, I use "startx", so when I exit, it is a clean exit (I know what you're thinking) |
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| 17:59.32 | jelly | unkmar: you can use eg. "pastebinit -b http://paste.ubuntu.com" to paste stuff from command line |
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| 18:00.02 | jelly | jordanm: does paste.ubuntu.com work for pastebinit in lenny? |
| 18:00.22 | jordanm | WormFood: assuming your mouse is not physically broken, consider a bug report. test it with gpm |
| 18:00.32 | jelly | hopes he guessed one pastebin that isn't broken |
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| 18:01.02 | jordanm | jelly: yes, ubuntu and yourpaste as the last working ones |
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| 18:01.05 | jelly | heh |
| 18:01.26 | unkmar | jelly: accept(5, <unfinished ...> |
| 18:01.38 | jordanm | gentoo has "wgetpaste" which seems to be much better coded. I will be look in to it soon |
| 18:01.46 | WormFood | jordanm, I'm in the process of moving, and moved my other 2 mouses to my new house today....so I'm stuck with one mouse right now. It was working just fine before I rebooted, so I think a hardware failure is highly unlikely (but not outside the realm of possibility) |
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| 18:02.16 | jordanm | WormFood: that is why I suggested "gpm". it does not require x drivers |
| 18:02.28 | jelly | unkmar: I suspect something may have gone wrong with the server process |
| 18:02.49 | WormFood | yeah, I was going to install gpm, but saw the xorg mouse package, and installed that instead ;) |
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| 18:03.09 | WormFood | ok, I'll try it with gpm to rule out the possibility of a hardware failure. |
| 18:03.16 | WormFood | be back in a few åè§ |
| 18:03.28 | jelly | unkmar: did it ever work? What does lsof -n -p 1314 say, are there lots of open file descriptors (eg. close or equal to 1024)? |
| 18:04.06 | jelly | unkmar: sorry, that should say lsof -n -p 14422 |
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| 18:07.10 | sc30317 | hey all, I was wondering why I can't use tcpdump even as the root user? I am using debian 5.0 in a vserver |
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| 18:07.31 | Cibbao | -it |
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| 18:08.36 | jordanm | sc30317: are you trying to use tcpdump with -C? |
| 18:08.41 | sc30317 | no |
| 18:08.48 | sc30317 | jordanm, just tcpdump -i eth0 |
| 18:08.51 | jordanm | does your interface support promisc mode? |
| 18:09.12 | jordanm | (dmesg would show errors if it doesn't) |
| 18:09.20 | sc30317 | inside the vserver? |
| 18:09.27 | unkmar | I can see now I need to yet ANOTHER reinstall of debian. This time, I will allow it gnome to invade my system and setup to use sudo instead of using a root user account. |
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| 18:10.08 | abrotman | wonders if the italian kb layout has the - near Enter |
| 18:10.21 | WormFood | ok jordanm, thanks for your help....this is really weird....I installed gpm, and it worked....I booted into X, and it worked. |
| 18:10.27 | jordanm | sc30317: yes |
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| 18:10.33 | jordanm | WormFood: odd.. |
| 18:10.41 | WormFood | I then uninstalled gpm, and rebooted X, and it didn't work |
| 18:10.48 | unkmar | there are still too many things NOT working properly. |
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| 18:11.02 | WormFood | so I moved the mouse to the front panel usb, and it worked....moved it to the back usb and it didn't work |
| 18:11.30 | WormFood | I'm going to chalk this one up to a hardware issue....I suspect I have a bad mouse cable |
| 18:11.30 | SuperMiguel | speed/performance wise how is fluxbox compared with lxde? |
| 18:11.35 | jordanm | unkmar: reinstallation is typically only the answer when there has been unwanted mixing of releases |
| 18:11.45 | WormFood | now it is working on the back panel usb....really weird |
| 18:11.53 | unkmar | jordanm: this is NOT a mix of releases. |
| 18:11.58 | WormFood | jordanm, thanks again for your help |
| 18:11.58 | jordanm | unkmar: exactly |
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| 18:12.12 | jelly | sc30317: vserver disables a lot of things that a proper machine would allow; iptables settings are one, and I wouldn't be surprised setting a network interface into promiscous mode was another |
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| 18:12.36 | jelly | sc30317: arguably, you get what you pay for |
| 18:12.45 | WormFood | now I'm gonna reboot X and restore my xorg.conf |
| 18:13.10 | unkmar | jordanm: this is a result of me trying to prevent the kitchen sink install method. |
| 18:13.11 | jordanm | unkmar: you mean you disabled recommends by default? |
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| 18:14.03 | jelly | unkmar: in general a Linux system can be fixed (given enough experience and/or help). It's Windows that are simpler to reinstall. |
| 18:14.04 | unkmar | jordanm: no, I mean I didn't install "gnome" |
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| 18:15.03 | jordanm | unkmar: DEs are usually best with the complete package, as they are all made to integrate with each other. maybe you should find an alternative DE that is lighter or a simple WM |
| 18:15.04 | sc30317 | thanks jelly |
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| 18:15.23 | Bushmills | unkmar: but not using the root account for your graphical desktop is a good idea |
| 18:16.03 | unkmar | Bushmills: I am not using root for my anything. I execute su or su -c when needed. |
| 18:16.17 | Bushmills | where against what DE or window manager is irrelevant for proper system working. those are user level apps |
| 18:16.44 | unkmar | I am running fluxbox without gdm. I launch via startx. |
| 18:16.45 | Bushmills | ah. referring to " This time, I will allow it gnome to invade my system and setup to use sudo instead of using a root user account." |
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| 18:16.52 | WormFood | ok...where do I change my default window manager in gnome? EVERY TIME I update, it always changes it back to metacity |
| 18:17.01 | ornia | I patches the mvsas driver in the kernel and then compiled with make-kpkg but during compilation I caught these errors: |
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| 18:17.04 | ornia | http://pastebin.com/3Z9VXUVE |
| 18:17.10 | jelly | unkmar: what are you trying to accomplish? |
| 18:17.14 | ornia | I don't know what they mean, but they did not stop the compilation of the kernel |
| 18:17.23 | ornia | I am just worried because I need this driver working. |
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| 18:17.52 | jordanm | WormFood: easy solution is to setup a startup program with will run $new-window-manager --replace |
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| 18:18.07 | jordanm | WormFood: however, it will be slower as metacity will always start prior to being replaced with your WM |
| 18:18.20 | jelly | ornia: why did you have to patch it? |
| 18:18.34 | jordanm | jelly: xen dom0 |
| 18:18.40 | WormFood | in the past I thought I remembered seeing a place to set it in the gui |
| 18:18.50 | unkmar | jelly: I'd like to have festival --server functional. copy/paste in X working. Flash 10 more responsive |
| 18:19.02 | unkmar | the flash 10 part is impossible. :( |
| 18:19.03 | ornia | jelly: I have a SATA/SAS controller card that is known to be faulty |
| 18:19.08 | ornia | with the mvsas driver |
| 18:19.19 | jelly | ornia: even with 2.6.32 kernel from backports? |
| 18:19.19 | ornia | See: http://kerneltrap.org/mailarchive/linux-scsi/2010/2/16/6780753 |
| 18:19.43 | ornia | jelly: or see: http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1397855&page=21 |
| 18:19.45 | jelly | then probably yes, Feb 2010 is rather fresh |
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| 18:19.59 | ornia | But do you think those errors borked my driver? |
| 18:20.12 | jelly | ornia: you should really file a bug on linux-2.6, to make the debian kernel people fix it in their tree in time for squeeze |
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| 18:20.36 | ornia | jelly: even if the fix is not in upstream 2.6.32? |
| 18:20.42 | jelly | ornia: the code isn't completely clean; whether it'll work or not is for you to find out |
| 18:20.46 | jelly | ornia: yes |
| 18:21.11 | unkmar | jelly: i want my hotkeys back, mainly volume controls. It would be nice that closing my laptop lid doesn't force me to power off or hibernate to recover. |
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| 18:21.28 | jelly | ornia: weird, but they like Debian's kernel to work on as much hardware as possible! If it can be done with a small cherry-picked patch... |
| 18:21.55 | unkmar | jelly: in short) I'd like to have much of my old install BACK. but that is now lost forever. :( |
| 18:22.08 | jelly | unkmar: you have no backup? |
| 18:22.36 | unkmar | jelly: I backed up /etc and /home. but I didn't clone the partition. |
| 18:22.44 | jordanm | its a well known fact that users in #d don't make backups :) |
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| 18:23.08 | jelly | ornia: you could ask in #debian-kernel (irc.debian.org) about the patch and point to that lkml, er, linux-scsi discussion, see what they answer |
| 18:23.37 | jelly | jordanm: weirdos |
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| 18:23.57 | unkmar | it is a well known fact that most people don't make backups because they lack the skills and/or equipment. I generally lack the time. so I back up the critical and suffer teh rest. |
| 18:24.07 | abrotman | jordanm: we don't? |
| 18:24.09 | jelly | ornia: but the answer is usually "file a bug report on linux-2.6" |
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| 18:24.39 | flippp | hi! i want to install debian-504-amd64 from usb, when i try to start the install i am getting: "invalid compressed format (err=2)" and then "kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block". any ideas? |
| 18:25.01 | jelly | abrotman: you're not a user, you're an op! |
| 18:25.09 | abrotman | oh ok .. i think |
| 18:25.24 | unkmar | How about we fix my sudo problem. I installed it but it doesn't work. |
| 18:25.32 | abrotman | unkmar: did you configure it? |
| 18:25.34 | jelly | !doesn't work |
| 18:25.35 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>. |
| 18:25.53 | jordanm | unkmar: its not configured by default... |
| 18:26.16 | delight | i got a debian 5 with kde 3 on my macbook pro (german keyboard) ... well it works great ... i just would like the left comand to be meta ... or both ... right now only the right command is meta ... can someone help me on this keyboard issue ? |
| 18:26.16 | jelly | unkmar: installing gnome is explained in /msg dpkg install gnome |
| 18:26.31 | delight | I'm using setxkbmap -model apple_laptop -layout de -variant mac |
| 18:26.50 | jelly | unkmar: that might help with hotkeys... in Gnome |
| 18:27.03 | jordanm | !tell delight about keymaps |
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| 18:27.19 | jordanm | !tell delight about keymap |
| 18:27.51 | DipSwitch | tell delight about keymap |
| 18:27.56 | DipSwitch | to bad :') |
| 18:28.41 | delight | well i just want to reset a specific key ... this is basicly about loading keymaps ... if i read it right |
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| 18:29.07 | delight | i want the left command to become meta ... or both ... right now only the right one is meta |
| 18:29.21 | delight | I'm using meta on kde for window hanling purposes |
| 18:29.24 | delight | usualy ;) |
| 18:29.37 | jordanm | does meta = ALT? |
| 18:29.44 | jelly | jordanm: I'll give you 40EUR to figure out a proper way to configure the keyboard in arbitrary way ("I want this key to emit this x keyboard code") using xkb, get rid of xmodmap forever, and write a nice factoid or three |
| 18:29.49 | greycat | it can be set up that way |
| 18:29.51 | jelly | no, Meta is Meta |
| 18:30.07 | ornia | Okay I asked there |
| 18:30.20 | jelly | delight: what does xev say about the code left Command is emitting now? |
| 18:30.21 | ornia | jelly: I hope that I can successfully apply this patch prior to writing the bug report. |
| 18:30.32 | jordanm | jelly: well... when I use emacs "meta" is alt or esc |
| 18:30.38 | jelly | ornia: I thought you've already applied it |
| 18:30.39 | unkmar | I will not have gnome. I hate fighting the applets. Such as network manager. |
| 18:30.42 | ornia | It would be amazing if the squeeze kernel supported these Marvell controller chipsets even if upstream hasn't fixed their shit |
| 18:30.49 | ornia | jelly: I did, but it is compiling still |
| 18:30.52 | delight | jordanm: you can select either alt or meta for those actions ... but i usualy choose meta ... sometimes progs need alt ... like gimp ... and its good .. but on the apple macbook pro keyboard its using only the key right of the spacebar as meta ... not the one on the left side of the space bar |
| 18:30.56 | ornia | and I got those weird, non-critical errors |
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| 18:31.05 | delight | thats pretty annoying ... |
| 18:31.12 | jelly | ornia: those are called "Warnings" |
| 18:31.13 | ornia | AND just my luck, ld: final link failed: No space left on device |
| 18:31.16 | jelly | !warnings |
| 18:31.16 | dpkg | Yerp, lots of software outputs warnings. Kernel module warnings on boot, mplayer warnings, GTK warnings, X11 warnings, build warnings, gpg warnings. Don't be scared - informative output is a GOOD THING. Consider yourself warned, and if the program works as expected, be happy. |
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| 18:31.37 | delight | i mean thats not a really big issue ... but i was wondering if its possible to somehow easysily configure that key |
| 18:31.40 | jordanm | delight: I won't be any more help than pointing you to that factoid unfortunately |
| 18:31.57 | ornia | jelly: Right, but I don't know what these warnings MEAN |
| 18:31.57 | delight | jelly ... I'll check xev |
| 18:32.04 | ornia | drivers/scsi/mvsas/mv_94xx.c:643: warning: initialization from incompatible pointer type |
| 18:32.12 | ornia | After I just patched the hell out of that very file? |
| 18:32.16 | ornia | somewhat worrisoe |
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| 18:32.42 | greycat | are you sure the patch was appropriate for the version you're applying it to? |
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| 18:32.56 | delight | jelly: bummer dead key |
| 18:33.06 | delight | xev doesn't say antithing |
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| 18:34.21 | ornia | greycat: I am sure the patch is recommended for 2.6.32 |
| 18:34.42 | ornia | But I do not know if Debian significantly changed the source code for this driver in its default 2.6.32 package |
| 18:34.48 | qwd | jelly: jordanm: remember the untrusted packages in debian multimedia? took another look and it seems the connection timed out when getting Release.gpg so nothing fishy after all :) |
| 18:34.49 | greycat | mmmm. |
| 18:34.53 | amee2k | abrotman: thanks :) |
| 18:34.55 | delight | while the right command is set to SUPER_R .. the left command is dead :-/ |
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| 18:35.03 | r0nin | what would I need to have my server email me or sms when it has an error? like disk errors or something? |
| 18:35.34 | greycat | r0nin: you'd need an MTA (mail transport agent, such as exim4), and some sort of monitoring program |
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| 18:35.39 | delight | thanks for the keyboard hints to everybody ;) |
| 18:35.51 | delight | trying some more before i give up ;) |
| 18:36.05 | abrotman | amee2k: for apt-file? like five hours ago ? |
| 18:36.11 | amee2k | yes :) |
| 18:36.15 | abrotman | you're welcome |
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| 18:36.46 | amee2k | had some nasty network issues in the meantime so it took me a while to get around to it |
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| 18:37.22 | amee2k | actually, i've used it before but could find it again or remember from where... your factoid reminded me that you need to install it separately |
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| 18:38.17 | ||cw | r0fl: smartmontools can monitor SMART capable disks and email you, but only on a scheduled test |
| 18:39.05 | ||cw | there's some log watching tools that'll email you on keywords in log files too |
| 18:39.14 | ||cw | I haven't used any of those though |
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| 18:42.06 | WormFood | "update-alternatives --config x-window-manager" is supposed to change my default window manager, but it simply does not work. No matter what I select, it ALWAYS uses metacity. WTF? |
| 18:42.29 | WormFood | if I try to uninstall metacity, it wants to uninstall gnome |
| 18:43.09 | greycat | uninstalling "gnome" is harmless. uninstalling the 23000 lib* packages that "gnome" brings in is not. |
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| 18:44.42 | delight | guys ... i found the problem ... wasn't debian at alll ... as usualy ;) how could i doulbt ;) ... i have it in a virtualbox ... and the left cmd (apple-key) was set as host key ... therefore it did not give any keycode on xev |
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| 18:45.04 | WormFood | is update-alternatives busted or something? I remember having problems with this in the past, but can't remember what I did to fix it. |
| 18:45.12 | delight | i just simply switched it in virtualbox settings ... silly me !!! |
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| 18:48.32 | ||cw | newb0: run dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config, and set it up for local with smarthost, set the local main domain to the company one, and fill in the mail server you want to forward to |
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| 18:51.00 | WormFood | so I delete metacity (really rename it), and THEN it uses my window manager of choice! WTF?!?! |
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| 18:51.58 | keith4 | what are my options for using newer (> 2.6.26) kernels with lenny *and* using the binary nvidia module? apparently the audio chipset in this box needs snd-hda-intel from > 2.6.27. but if I go to a bpo kernel like 2.6.32, i'll have trouble getting the nvidia driver built, no? |
| 18:52.24 | ericpersson | keith4: you should be able to rebuold the nvidiamodule? |
| 18:52.36 | wols | keith4: no |
| 18:53.01 | keith4 | when i tried to use module-assistant to build nvidia (couldn't find any pre-built packages), it wouldn't install the kernel source package for 2.6.32, because kbuild 2.6.32 wasn't available |
| 18:53.02 | wols | keith4: you will have to build the nvidia kernel module yourself tho |
| 18:53.50 | ericpersson | I'm trying to create a bootable sd-card for a igep-board(somewhat similar to beagleboard) but even though following the instructions at http://wiki.jozz.se/wiki/igep/debian/installer/usd it doesnt work. it just doesnt boot, I just get a no-signal screen. Hard to debug. Anyone have any ideas? |
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| 18:54.10 | keith4 | looks like linux-kbuild-2.6.30 is the newest in lenny-backports |
| 18:56.13 | keith4 | wols: so how would I build the nvidia module for 2.6.32? |
| 18:56.22 | WormFood | can I not file a bugreport from a web page? I have to use email? |
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| 18:56.57 | wols | keith4: what package exactly does want to drag in that kbuild thing? |
| 18:57.09 | keith4 | wols: the kernel source package |
| 18:57.17 | wols | if my chosen kernel version wouldn't work, I'd build my desired kernel frm source |
| 18:57.34 | wols | keith4: why would you need a kernel source package for compiling a module? |
| 18:57.51 | abrotman | WormFood: you can use webmail .. if that counts as a webpage |
| 18:58.06 | WormFood | I want to file a bug report, but I don't want to use email....I fuckin' HATE email! |
| 18:58.15 | abrotman | then don't file a bug .. bye! |
| 18:58.26 | WormFood | fine, I won't file a bug report then |
| 18:58.43 | keith4 | wols: i have no idea. something else that module-assistant was dragging in, perhaps? |
| 18:58.45 | abrotman | good .. i'm sure it would just be a useless profanity-laced rant |
| 18:58.55 | WormFood | no it wouldn't |
| 18:59.13 | abrotman | well, your choice is either to use email or not to file the bug |
| 18:59.16 | WormFood | I'm trying to help improve things (or at least make things work right) |
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| 19:00.25 | keith4 | wols: hold on. i'll reboot into the 2.6.32 bpo kernel and try it again |
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| 19:00.55 | ornia | I was just about to file a bug report on linux-2.6 for the state of the mvsas driver but my SMTP server is down =[ |
| 19:01.13 | ornia | I defaulted to thinking I could do it via the web out of easiness |
| 19:01.25 | ornia | But I remembered I needed to point reportbug at my SMTP addy |
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| 19:01.33 | ornia | Kind of conflicted about it tbh |
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| 19:01.48 | amee2k | okay, this is annoying |
| 19:02.04 | amee2k | http://pastebin.com/9fNDzWwT << can someone please explain to me how this happened? |
| 19:02.05 | karlpinc | ornia: If you felt like it you could talk smtp directly to bugs.debian.org. |
| 19:02.34 | ornia | I wonder what percentage Debian has no web-based bug reporting methods is the fact that no one has made it, and what is TRYING to make it harder to use to wash out noise |
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| 19:03.34 | guevolt | Hi. I'm using the rbash but the shell users can't change of directory in yourself homedir. |
| 19:03.54 | guevolt | what I can do to resolve this problem? allow, only change of directory in the homedir. |
| 19:03.57 | karlpinc | ornia: I'd say that it's mostly because that anybody who can't figure out how to send email is not worth hearing from. |
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| 19:05.17 | keith4 | wols: sorry, it was linux-headers |
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| 19:06.22 | keith4 | "linux-headers-2.6.32-bpo.4-amd64: Depends: linux-kbuild-2.6.32 but it is not installable" |
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| 19:09.21 | Deeps | anyone had much experience with vrrp/ucarp in lenny, and any advice or pointers or suggestions before i go gungho into ucarp? (am used to hsrp(cisco) and vrrp(juniper) already) |
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| 19:10.41 | karlpinc | Deeps: You might check the openbsd man pages at openbsd.org for carp related info. Or not. |
| 19:10.44 | Pjoudijouko | a |
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| 19:11.25 | karlpinc | Deeps: The ifconfig page there might help too. |
| 19:11.28 | Pjoudijouko | I'm looking for an online manual that explains step-by-step how to change the video-drivers of my debian lenny install from the command line. |
| 19:11.37 | abrotman | Pjoudijouko: X -configure ? |
| 19:11.43 | abrotman | thinks we already covered this? |
| 19:11.54 | Pjoudijouko | abrotman: you are quick! |
| 19:11.56 | Deeps | karlpinc: yeah, i'd been looking over that already; was just wondering if there were any gotchas of nuances that wouldn't be immediately obvious from reading the page (but are from having done it oneself) |
| 19:12.12 | karlpinc | Pjoudijouko: Or: aptitude search video; aptitude install videodriverofchoice |
| 19:12.24 | Pjoudijouko | abrotmanL I tried it, but that is not really a manual but a merely a list of switches |
| 19:12.40 | abrotman | Pjoudijouko: oh, you want to read the man page for xorg.conf ? |
| 19:12.40 | Pjoudijouko | abrotman: or did something went wrong? |
| 19:12.42 | karlpinc | Deeps: Sorry, no Linux carp experience. |
| 19:13.02 | abrotman | Pjoudijouko: and then there is a man page for each driver wiht more options |
| 19:13.19 | Pjoudijouko | karlpinc: that really works? it automatically chooses that driver as well? |
| 19:13.38 | wols | keith4: so install them. http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=linux-headers&searchon=names§ion=all&suite=lenny-backports |
| 19:14.03 | unkmar | copy paste problem was Emulate3Button "no" |
| 19:14.03 | Pjoudijouko | abrotman: ah. Suppose I have a intel 815 EM 2x AGP chipset with integrated video controller. What would you do? |
| 19:14.08 | keith4 | wols: no, it was linux-headers that depended on linux-kbuild, which was uninstallable |
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| 19:14.49 | abrotman | Pjoudijouko: probably not try to muck with it .. if you `aptitude install xorg` and also choose a WM, it will try to make the best guess it can to get X going |
| 19:14.49 | amee2k | right. which unionfs is *not* implemented in fuse? |
| 19:14.59 | zinx | uhm |
| 19:15.01 | abrotman | and 815 is kind of old .. so ideally it would work |
| 19:15.02 | zinx | aufs/unionfs |
| 19:15.54 | karlpinc | Pjoudijouko: You install the driver you think you need, and then read it's man page to see if it's the driver you want. If so, un-install the others. That's my method of poking it with a stick until it works. I can't say if it's the best approach. Works for me. |
| 19:15.56 | Pjoudijouko | abrotman: However, the point is that I did a netinstall with a debian boot CD, and selected the desktop environment option. So it should have installed everything correctly. Nevertheless, my video outpout was garbage |
| 19:16.17 | Pjoudijouko | karlpinc: ah ok. Thanks for that suggestion. |
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| 19:16.41 | amee2k | thanks zinx |
| 19:16.45 | amee2k | i'll give it a try |
| 19:16.47 | wols | keith4: then I guess you need to build your own (kernel that is). get the sources for the .32 kernel and build them |
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| 19:16.51 | wols | including the linux-headers |
| 19:16.57 | karlpinc | Pjoudijouko: The installer does not always choose that right driver, or that's been my experience. Then again, maybe that was after installing _all_ the drivers and trying to upgrade. Only some stayed installed. |
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| 19:17.22 | abrotman | karlpinc: installing the Desktop task should install xorg and all the drivers |
| 19:17.27 | abrotman | Pjoudijouko: what does "garbage" mean ? |
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| 19:17.36 | karlpinc | Pjoudijouko: You can also look up the home page for the driver and see if it supports your chipset. |
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| 19:17.59 | Pjoudijouko | abrotman: the screen is how can i say it, jumping up and down. |
| 19:18.03 | abrotman | karlpinc: it's an 815 chipset .. that's from like 2003 or something |
| 19:18.04 | karlpinc | abrotman: That's probably my problem. I almost always do a minimal install and then just install xorg and a wm. |
| 19:18.13 | keith4 | wols: yah, i was afraid that was going to be the answer. or i could wait a week and see if kbuild-2.6.32 gets backported |
| 19:18.16 | compaq | hi, I can't boot up, except in recovery mode. It is a fresh install of debian testing. It boots up to the point where it starts gdm, but then after that, I get a blank screen, and I can't access the text consoles either |
| 19:18.30 | Pjoudijouko | abrotman: you are a paragnost! The notebook is from about that year indeed. |
| 19:18.30 | karlpinc | abrotman: Yes. Should work. (With _some_ driver....) |
| 19:18.34 | schatan | somebody here who knows how to repair the page catalog of a pdf |
| 19:18.38 | abrotman | Pjoudijouko: aptitude update && aptitude full-upgrade && aptitude install xorg .. make sure it's all installed |
| 19:18.49 | abrotman | Pjoudijouko: can you give us the device ID from 'lspci -nn' ? |
| 19:19.00 | wols | keith4: don't bet on that. I doubt it will ever exist |
| 19:19.10 | abrotman | karlpinc: should be the i810 or intel (can't recall which it is in lenny) |
| 19:19.20 | keith4 | wols: why? kbuild-2.6.30 was backported |
| 19:19.26 | wols | keith4: wait. install the headers with dpkg, build your module, then uninstall it again |
| 19:19.52 | wols | keith4: cause the backport is done. more than a week now, more like a month or so. and that backport woN#t be touched anymore I guess |
| 19:20.07 | karlpinc | abrotman: FWIW xserver-xorg-video-i810 is in lenny. |
| 19:20.15 | keith4 | wols: ah, so the dependency won't really be used by module-assistant? good idea! |
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| 19:20.28 | abrotman | karlpinc: so is the intel one |
| 19:20.47 | abrotman | karlpinc: yours is a transitional in lenny |
| 19:21.15 | karlpinc | abrotman: That's what I get for not paying attention to detail. :-P |
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| 19:22.56 | keith4 | wols: am I crazy, or does linux-headers-2.6.32 not show up in lenny-backports on packages.debian.org? |
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| 19:23.45 | keith4 | wols: oh, weird. they don't show up in a search for linux-headers-2.6.32, but they *do* for linux-headers-2.6.32-bpo |
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| 19:24.06 | karlpinc | msg dpkg Blootbot |
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| 19:25.39 | keith4 | wols: okay, forced install of the headers package. will try now. brb |
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| 19:27.36 | karlpinc | dpkg: binary-only drivers is another name for proprietary drivers. There is a reason why people say "Use binary-only drivers, hate life." They make linux less secure, less stable, and less flexible. See: http://www.linuxfoundation.org/collaborate/publications/kernel-driver-statement |
| 19:27.36 | dpkg | okay, karlpinc |
| 19:28.38 | greycat | observes that the bloodbot factoid is disappointingly colorless |
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| 19:30.00 | Aero1 | F1 i've installed Debian Squeeze and Gnome (via tasksel) - now i cannot login into my Shell (CRTL+Alt+F1) - and i donno why |
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| 19:31.34 | lolmang | Have you read your SICP today? http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/5590609/ |
| 19:31.38 | Aero1 | does anyone have any idea? |
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| 19:35.01 | lolmang | abrotman: why u kick |
| 19:35.02 | lolmang | :( |
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| 19:35.08 | greycat | why u spam us? |
| 19:35.11 | greycat | aww. |
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| 19:35.18 | frostschutz | he's doing that in all channels :( |
| 19:35.36 | abrotman | i'm sure staff will find him eventually .. i'm surprised idoru didn't kill him |
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| 19:35.53 | keith4 | wols: nope... turns out it actually needs kbuild |
| 19:36.49 | keith4 | wols: so i installed linux-image-, linux-headers-, and linux-kbuild 2.6.30 from lenny-backports. then tried m-a a-i nvidia. gets further, but fails anyway |
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| 19:38.10 | wols | fails how? you need nvidia drivers 190.x from squeeze/sid afaik |
| 19:38.31 | keith4 | i'm looking for the build log |
| 19:39.17 | wols | /var/cache/modass |
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| 19:39.48 | subsume | how do I 're-stat' /etc/passwd in the event that I changed something from /bin/bash/ to /bin/wtvr |
| 19:39.56 | subsume | hopefully without rebooting. |
| 19:40.00 | keith4 | wols: on 2.6.32, without kbuild: http://pastebin.com/kpUee2pJ |
| 19:41.09 | karlpinc | subsume: "re-stat"? You change it back, and re-login. You can use "su" if you don't want to shut down any existing processes. |
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| 19:41.38 | subsume | karlpinc, hmm. well I set /bin/bash for a user to /bin/false but I can still ssh to their account |
| 19:41.39 | greycat | subsume: any logins you do after changing the files will use the changed files. |
| 19:41.52 | usagi | How do I install the 32bit version of a library (ie libraw1394) in a 64bit system? |
| 19:42.37 | keith4 | wols: on 2.6.30: http://pastebin.com/5iYtgmQB |
| 19:43.10 | guevolt | where I can find script about manage users (tasks like create, changepassword and set quota) |
| 19:43.32 | karlpinc | guevolt: In the reference manual at debian.org, or on the debian wiki. |
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| 19:45.54 | compaq | one good thing about testing over stable I notice, is sleep function works now. Now I don't have to shutdown everynight to save hydro, I can just sleep |
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| 19:46.41 | keith4 | wols: oh wait. i need 190.x? didn't see that |
| 19:46.43 | keith4 | sighs |
| 19:46.49 | Walhter | I can't make a partition larger then 2TB in debian installer, i get "loop-partition-table-imposed maximum" error |
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| 19:47.03 | guevolt | karlpinc: I'm just finding the shell commands like adduser, etc.... |
| 19:47.10 | Walhter | is there a workaround? |
| 19:47.16 | subsume | how do I tell which shell vsftp uses |
| 19:47.43 | greycat | FTP doesn't use a shell at all |
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| 19:47.58 | sed` | Walhter: you are probably using a hard drive with an old MS-DOS style partition table. you need a GUID Partition Table (GPT) if you want more than 2 TB |
| 19:48.00 | keith4 | Walhter: uh... wouldn't you have to use GPT? |
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| 19:48.30 | sed` | Walhter: that also means you can't boot from with a classic BIOS motherboard. you need an EFI motherboard |
| 19:48.52 | greycat | assuming he wanted to boot from that device. |
| 19:48.53 | sed` | (commonly found in servers or apple computers) |
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| 19:49.46 | Walhter | sed`, keith4: how do i manully change partition to GPT |
| 19:49.50 | ldlework | Is /etc/apt/preferences a file you create yourself? |
| 19:49.57 | Pjoudijouko | abrotman: sorry, lost connection. |
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| 19:50.03 | keith4 | Walhter: you need to make a new partition table, with something that supports GPT |
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| 19:50.17 | keith4 | wols: can I just download the nvidia-kernel-source deb from squeeze, and use that? it's 195 |
| 19:50.27 | Pjoudijouko | abrotman: the result of nspci -nn was: intel 82815 chipset grapical blablabla |
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| 19:52.28 | Pjoudijouko | abrotman: how do I best restart X and associated applications? (E.g. should I also stop gnome?) |
| 19:52.51 | keith4 | you can just restart gdm |
| 19:53.23 | Pjoudijouko | keith4: ok, and that does also restart dependent apps I guess? |
| 19:53.25 | keith4 | Walhter: for example, i don't think fdisk supports GPT. at least, not the last time I needed to make a GPT partition table |
| 19:54.26 | keith4 | Pjoudijouko: yes |
| 19:54.26 | karlpinc | guevolt: Those _are_ scripts. You want a graphical interface? |
| 19:54.26 | keith4 | Pjoudijouko: it will kill your current X session |
| 19:54.26 | abrotman | Pjoudijouko: we need the xxxx:xxxx at the end of the line |
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| 19:54.26 | abrotman | ldlework: it can be, it's not there by default in debian |
| 19:54.27 | Walhter | keith4: does parted support during the install? |
| 19:54.55 | keith4 | Walhter: no idea. are you trying to do this to your boot disk? |
| 19:55.18 | Pjoudijouko | abrotman: give me a sec... |
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| 19:56.34 | guevolt | karlpinc: no. only shell |
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| 19:57.10 | Pjoudijouko | abrotman: 8086:1132 |
| 19:57.37 | Pjoudijouko | abrotman: what is the meaning of that number? |
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| 19:57.49 | abrotman | judd: xorg 8086:1132 |
| 19:57.50 | judd | In lenny, device 8086:1132 is matched by xorg driver: 'intel'. |
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| 19:57.53 | abrotman | judd: pciid 8086:1132 |
| 19:57.55 | judd | [8086:1132] is '82815 Chipset Graphics Controller (CGC)' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel module 'i2c-i810' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:1132 |
| 19:58.10 | abrotman | Pjoudijouko: it tells us what the device is .. each PCI/USB device has its own unique ID |
| 19:58.29 | abrotman | Pjoudijouko: maybe you should try using xrandr to change the refresh |
| 19:58.51 | karlpinc | guevolt: So, what exactly are you wanting? Something that prompts you? |
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| 19:59.49 | guevolt | karlpinc: yep. Something that do these things (like adduser, set quota, etc) faster. |
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| 20:00.18 | karlpinc | guevolt: What would be faster than typing a command? |
| 20:00.20 | Aero1 | is depressed -.- |
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| 20:00.57 | Pjoudijouko | abrotman: ah. Now I see. Like the ISBN of books? |
| 20:01.20 | Titan8990 | karlpinc, thinking a command! |
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| 20:01.28 | bodom | Hi. Is there a way to "kill" a tcp socket? |
| 20:01.43 | guevolt | karlpinc: Ok. but using a script i will be a guide of what to do. I would not forget anything. |
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| 20:02.02 | karlpinc | Titan8990: Well, he might want to string a bunch of them together to do the same thing over and over. (guevolt?) |
| 20:02.50 | Titan8990 | bodom, kill the process associated with it |
| 20:03.00 | guevolt | karlpinc: exactly. |
| 20:03.09 | bodom | Titan8990: the point is that there isn't a process associated with it |
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| 20:04.45 | karlpinc | guevolt: You will have to write your own script. It's totally painless. No doubt there's a lot of guides on writing shell scripts. All you want to do is a seres of commands so there's no logic involved. |
| 20:05.03 | qat | hi there... does somebody know if there's any current problem with (laptop) touchpads? |
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| 20:06.41 | Titan8990 | qat, the bug tracker would be the place to check for the answer to that question |
| 20:06.45 | Titan8990 | !tell qat about bts |
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| 20:07.36 | Pjoudijouko | abrotman: I was away for a minute, my computer spontanuously rebooted... |
| 20:07.39 | qat | Titan8990, thanks |
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| 20:07.42 | keith4 | wols: okay... long story. so, the nvidia-kernel-source from squeeze can be installed with a few packages from lenny-backports (debhelper, quilt), and even builds on 2.6.30-bpo kernel. but nvidia-glx of the same version, from squeeze, requires xserver-xorg-core 2.16, which isn't backported. so, the newer kernel module does no good without the newer nvidia-glx, which would be a real pain to install |
| 20:08.04 | Pjoudijouko | abrotman: thanks for your tips, I have to go now, have stored your tips, and going to continue working on it tomorrow. |
| 20:08.18 | Titan8990 | keith4, yes, and I had planned to write a factoid which points to the proper packages in debian snapshots that you need |
| 20:08.33 | keith4 | Titan8990: oh? which packages? |
| 20:09.38 | Titan8990 | keith4, you want to build this one: http://snapshot.debian.org/archive/debian/20100410T043219Z/pool/non-free/n/nvidia-graphics-drivers/nvidia-graphics-drivers_190.53-4.dsc |
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| 20:10.04 | factor | has anyone tried using googleearth 5 in stable debian. I cant seem to connect to the server |
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| 20:10.12 | factor | ar at least that is what it says |
| 20:10.17 | Titan8990 | keith4, fetch it with dget. the nvidia-common package should still work from testing or unstable (that source package does not build it) |
| 20:10.34 | keith4 | Titan8990: and what will this do for me? |
| 20:10.41 | Titan8990 | factor, search the debian-user mailing list, I believe that was a recent topic |
| 20:10.51 | factor | thanks |
| 20:10.57 | Titan8990 | keith4, it will actually build and install on lenny, unlike the 195 drivers |
| 20:11.06 | keith4 | what about nvidia-glx? |
| 20:11.12 | keith4 | or is that included in this? |
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| 20:11.28 | Titan8990 | keith4, yep, that source package includes all the nvidia-* packages except for nvidia-common |
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| 20:12.10 | keith4 | okay. I.... don't know what to do with this, though ;-) |
| 20:12.20 | Titan8990 | keith4, that is what I am currently running at home. I hope to find an easy way for users soon |
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| 20:13.07 | keith4 | Titan8990: did you see my initial question? I need to run a kernel from lenny-backports to get this sound hardware working. |
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| 20:13.34 | Titan8990 | keith4, in a clean directory: dget -u <that url>; cd <only subdirectory available; dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc -r fakeroot |
| 20:14.08 | Titan8990 | keith4, I am also running backports kernel at home... this is not for support for newer nvidia card? why were you trying to pull from squeeze? |
| 20:15.05 | keith4 | no. the card is a 7600 GT. I can't use module assistant to build the nvidia kernel on 2.6.32 from backports, because kbuild 2.6.32 isn't backported. i was trying with 2.6.30 instead, but 173 was failing to build |
| 20:15.26 | Titan8990 | keith4, install the .deb for kbuild from sid |
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| 20:15.45 | keith4 | i don't actually *need* the newer nvidia driver. just the newer kernel |
| 20:15.56 | keith4 | i'm using 173 right now, and it works fine with 2.6.26. but i have no sound |
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| 20:16.42 | Titan8990 | keith4, fetch and install this and things should work as expected: http://packages.debian.org/sid/amd64/linux-kbuild-2.6.32/download |
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| 20:17.09 | keith4 | k. will try that |
| 20:17.26 | keith4 | wait, do i still need 190 for 2.6.32? |
| 20:17.33 | keith4 | or should i be able to build 173 for it? |
| 20:17.54 | Titan8990 | no, you only need 190 for 8000 or greater nvidia cards. the 173 will still work fine on newer kernels |
| 20:18.12 | keith4 | okay, thanks. i'll try that |
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| 20:19.09 | Titan8990 | keith4, sorry I thought you were my first test subject for instructing to install the drivers from snapshots on lenny :( |
| 20:19.24 | keith4 | heh, no. but i'll be happy to try that, too ;-) |
| 20:19.52 | keith4 | brb, though |
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| 20:20.56 | smhar | greetings |
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| 20:21.49 | ldlework | What happens when you do a apt-get upgrade some-package and it hangs on "Processing triggers for man-db ..." which can't be killed and prevents any use of apt elsewhere on the system? |
| 20:22.17 | smhar | I keep getting this error in two computer I have -both have squeeze- every time I update the system: http://paste.debian.net/74966/ |
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| 20:23.26 | sed` | Walhter: if you don't need to boot from it and only use it in Linux, you could use only LVM2 (Logical Volume Manager), without any kind of partition table |
| 20:23.44 | Titan8990 | smhar, purge those packages you are having issues with. |
| 20:24.06 | Titan8990 | ldlework, how long has been stuck there? |
| 20:24.24 | sed` | Walhter: i don't know if the installer supports either GPT or pure LVM2 for large drives. it's certainly possible with the manual way |
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| 20:27.11 | factor | oh look slike you have to apt-get the pacjage and then make a debian package. |
| 20:27.18 | factor | to get google earth to work |
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| 20:29.01 | factor | not just downloading the google earth package and installing. |
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| 20:31.00 | Bushmills | factor: either way works, but creating a .deb makes upgrading or removing easier |
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| 20:31.13 | Bushmills | also, it shows in you package management tools |
| 20:31.19 | factor | nope it still failed on contacting the servers it says |
| 20:31.24 | factor | I have no firewall up |
| 20:31.50 | factor | program starts up just fine , but no earth in my viewfield |
| 20:32.00 | Bushmills | opengl |
| 20:32.33 | Titan8990 | factor, were you able to find anything in the mailing list archives? I am sure that topic was within the last 2 months |
| 20:32.39 | factor | not really |
| 20:32.41 | Titan8990 | debian-user list |
| 20:32.47 | Titan8990 | alright, I will search |
| 20:32.57 | factor | I use the cuda driver for second life in linux so I am good on gfx |
| 20:33.18 | factor | its a networking error |
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| 20:33.39 | Titan8990 | factor, http://lists.debian.org/pan.2010.04.13.10.47.01@gmail.com |
| 20:33.54 | ldlework | I have added the Squeeze source to my list however I keep pulling down a Lenny package, anyone got a clue? |
| 20:34.32 | factor | Titan8990, ok will try that one |
| 20:34.37 | Titan8990 | !iyhtays |
| 20:34.38 | dpkg | If you have to ask, you shouldn't. |
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| 20:36.51 | unkmar | why is my clock staying wrong? |
| 20:37.16 | ldlework | I have added the Squeeze source to my list however I keep pulling down a Lenny package, anyone got a clue? |
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| 20:37.35 | lindi- | ldlework: "a lenny package"? |
| 20:37.49 | ldlework | A package from the lenny package lists |
| 20:38.00 | lindi- | ldlework: a package can be in both lists |
| 20:38.08 | ldlework | Unpacking libapache2-mod-wsgi (from .../libapache2-mod-wsgi_2.5-1~lenny1_i386.deb) |
| 20:38.21 | ldlework | lindi-, right, and I want the one from squeeze, but keep pulling down the lenny package. |
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| 20:38.32 | lindi- | ldlework: have you upgraded to squeeze? |
| 20:38.51 | ldlework | lindi-, are you familiar with the ability to pull packages from future distribution versions? |
| 20:39.03 | lindi- | ldlework: i prefer creating backports |
| 20:39.09 | lindi- | ldlework: or using chroot |
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| 20:40.43 | ldlework | Does anyone else have any idea why I keep pulling a Lenny package when I have the Squeeze sources in /etc/apt/sources.list? |
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| 20:42.37 | Titan8990 | ldlework, I really don't want to answer that because I fear you are going to do some damage to your machine.... and you seem to have ignored one of lindi-'s questions |
| 20:42.54 | ldlework | Wow. |
| 20:43.07 | ldlework | I'm running lenny, and I simply need a *single* package from squeeze. |
| 20:43.11 | ldlework | As if this was some foreign operation. |
| 20:43.31 | factor | <Titan899>The connection error is still existent, same error |
| 20:43.31 | ldlework | I'm sorry, getting a bit flustered. |
| 20:44.08 | frostschutz | ldlework: is there no backport for it? |
| 20:44.11 | Titan8990 | ldlework, you should backport the package or manually fetch it. you should not add testing binary repos to your sources for a single package |
| 20:44.15 | Titan8990 | !tell ldlework about ssb |
| 20:44.15 | ldlework | There is no backport |
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| 20:44.59 | Titan8990 | factor, I didn't read into that in detail, didn't it actually allow you to manually download the needed stuff and then point the google-earth debian thing at it? |
| 20:45.19 | factor | humm |
| 20:45.21 | factor | dunno |
| 20:45.31 | keith4 | Titan8990: 173 won't build with module assistant on 2.6.32 |
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| 20:46.12 | ldlework | Titan8990, so I should just download the .deb and be done with it? |
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| 20:46.23 | keith4 | Titan8990: http://pastebin.com/Nr4KeyzN |
| 20:46.39 | keith4 | Titan8990: I'm ready to be your test case for 190 now ;-) |
| 20:47.02 | factor | <Titan8990>Yeah this is a new error. Google earth has a link to trouble shoot but said I had a firewall issue, which I dont have one |
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| 20:48.02 | Titan8990 | keith4, thats a rather useless error message... alright, do you need me to explain again or can you see on scrollback? |
| 20:48.19 | keith4 | i have your instructions still |
| 20:48.53 | benkio | hello everybody, I have a problem with squeeze |
| 20:48.59 | factor | ok will have to look into this further , but its not working |
| 20:49.05 | benkio | successful instalation but at the moment to restart do not load the grub |
| 20:49.27 | benkio | and displayed on de screen "error: unknow filesystem" |
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| 20:49.39 | benkio | and console grub |
| 20:49.43 | benkio | grub rescue> |
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| 20:50.31 | benkio | any suggestions? |
| 20:51.17 | benkio | I am used filesystem ext3 |
| 20:52.05 | keith4 | Titan8990: I'm stuck. I un-tgz'd the resulting file. it's a directory containing two .run files, but dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc fails with "tail: cannot open `debian/changelog' for reading: No such file or directory" |
| 20:52.35 | Titan8990 | keith4, you should not have needed to un-tgz anything... dget unpacks everything for you |
| 20:52.45 | keith4 | no, it didn't |
| 20:52.55 | Titan8990 | if there were still tarballs, it was probably intended they stay tarballs |
| 20:53.06 | keith4 | oh..... k |
| 20:53.55 | keith4 | in that case, dget results in 3 files: nvidia-graphics-drivers_190.53-4.diff.gz nvidia-graphics-drivers_190.53-4.dsc nvidia-graphics-drivers_190.53.orig.tar.gz |
| 20:55.12 | Titan8990 | keith4, unpack the dsc (if there is no directory there as well) with: dpkg-source -x nvidia-graphics-drivers_190.53-4.dsc |
| 20:55.34 | keith4 | ah. much better |
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| 20:57.22 | keith4 | Titan8990: it complained about unmet dependencies. I installed the dependencies. seems like it's unhappy with ia32. Unmet build dependencies: ia32-libs (>= 20090804) |
| 20:57.33 | keith4 | dpkg show ia32-libs 2.7 |
| 20:57.33 | dpkg | keith4: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 20:57.41 | keith4 | *shows |
| 20:58.07 | Titan8990 | ,versions ia32-libs |
| 20:58.07 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'ia32-libs' was found. |
| 20:58.21 | Titan8990 | keith4, I did not encounter that issue |
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| 20:58.42 | keith4 | Titan8990: this is 64-bit lenny, if that matters |
| 20:58.45 | Titan8990 | ,versions ia32-libs --arch amd64 |
| 20:58.47 | judd | ia32-libs -- etch: 1.19; lenny: 2.7; sid: 20090808; squeeze: 20090808 |
| 20:59.11 | Titan8990 | keith4, I also used 64bit lenny... I must have installed the squeeze package for that and forgot about it. |
| 20:59.33 | rzeka | for server at debian (local hosting on virtual machine), 64mb ram + 300 swap would be ok ? (host system has 1024mb ram and 2,4GHz CPU) |
| 21:00.01 | keith4 | rzeka: depends what you hope to do with that VM |
| 21:00.33 | rzeka | apache + php + mysql + samba (debian would read files via smbfs from host) |
| 21:00.37 | Titan8990 | keith4, see if this installs without depends issues: http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/i/ia32-libs/ia32-libs_20090808_amd64.deb |
| 21:00.41 | rzeka | I want to test web apps there |
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| 21:00.53 | keith4 | rzeka: that's not much ram, for all of that |
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| 21:01.05 | Titan8990 | keith4, and I do have to go for about an hour now, will be back as jordanm (I usually never sign out but hosting provider is having issues) |
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| 21:01.37 | keith4 | Titan8990: nope. wants newer libc6-i386 |
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| 21:01.44 | rzeka | 96? 128? ; ) |
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| 21:06.31 | Niggardly | Good day fellow Debianers. |
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| 21:07.00 | Niggardliness | . |
| 21:07.13 | Niggardly | Sir, I find your niggardliness quite offensive. |
| 21:07.19 | Niggardly | There may be niggers afoot. |
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| 21:09.09 | JyZyXEL | whats the best way to convert a i686 Lenny to a amd64 one? |
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| 21:09.41 | \amethyst | JyZyXEL: reinstalling is AFAIK your only choice... you can clone the package db though |
| 21:09.44 | \amethyst | !aptitude clone |
| 21:09.45 | dpkg | To clone a Debian machine using aptitude (or install your favourite packages) use aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M' > package_list; on the reference machine; xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < package_list; aptitude install; on the other machine. This preserves information about "automatically installed" packages that other methods do not. See also <reinstall>, <things to backup>. <debian clone> |
| 21:09.45 | ||cw | depends, you just want a 64bit kernel or do you want it all x64? |
| 21:09.56 | Niggardly | Well sir, the best way is to do sudo rm -rf / |
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| 21:10.03 | JyZyXEL | all x64 |
| 21:10.16 | Tramp | !ops Niggardly spam, bad advice, troll |
| 21:10.17 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: tramp complains about: Niggardly spam, bad advice, troll |
| 21:10.33 | Niggardly | Tramp - XD |
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| 21:10.41 | Vroomfondle | JyZyXEL: you're going to have to reinstall |
| 21:10.44 | ||cw | reinstall then, otherwise you end up with a full x32 and x64 userland |
| 21:10.48 | JyZyXEL | reinstall how? |
| 21:11.04 | ||cw | backup your data, but a cd in and start over |
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| 21:11.11 | Tramp | tx |
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| 21:11.18 | Vroomfondle | well, how did you install DEbian before? Do that, but with the x64 version of Debian |
| 21:11.22 | JyZyXEL | sounds like a bad idea |
| 21:11.29 | ||cw | why? |
| 21:11.31 | JyZyXEL | can't i just get a x64 version of all the packages |
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| 21:11.39 | ||cw | not really |
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| 21:11.59 | ||cw | I guess you could bootstrap an x64 chroot |
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| 21:12.07 | JyZyXEL | see thats better |
| 21:12.28 | ||cw | but then you still boot into a 32bit userland and just use the chroot when you want it |
| 21:12.36 | ||cw | what's your goal? |
| 21:12.44 | ||cw | just use more than 4GB ram? |
| 21:12.48 | JyZyXEL | to have a fully x64 system |
| 21:12.52 | ||cw | just install an x64 system |
| 21:12.55 | ||cw | yes but WHY |
| 21:12.59 | ||cw | what's the end goal |
| 21:13.02 | JyZyXEL | i heard crypto benefits from it |
| 21:13.07 | ||cw | not relaly |
| 21:13.17 | JyZyXEL | i heard it benefits from it considerably |
| 21:13.26 | ||cw | well, certain crypts to, but not /that/ much |
| 21:13.41 | ||cw | and if you run a x64 kernel you can also just run an x64 program as needed |
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| 21:13.52 | JyZyXEL | possible performance benefits is the only thing i was aiming for |
| 21:14.36 | ||cw | there is only one way to get a full x64 install and that is to reinstall the OS |
| 21:14.45 | ||cw | but really you don't need it |
| 21:15.44 | ||cw | JyZyXEL: boot am x64 live cd and run your program and see if it's faster |
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| 21:17.07 | JyZyXEL | i wonder if someone has already done research on aes performance with x86 vs x64 |
| 21:17.23 | ||cw | tried google yet? |
| 21:17.32 | JyZyXEL | yes but i can't seem to find anything |
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| 21:18.45 | stribog | hey guys |
| 21:18.50 | stribog | I've just installed debian on my laptop but the package system seems to be borked |
| 21:19.00 | stribog | I keep searching for packages that I know are there such as "apt-cache search gnome" and coming up with no results |
| 21:19.07 | JyZyXEL | also i wonder if tar will be faster with x64 |
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| 21:19.48 | ||cw | http://cr.yp.to/aes-speed.html |
| 21:20.00 | ||cw | claims it runs in 32bit mode nayway |
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| 21:20.39 | Bushmills | stribog: apt-get update |
| 21:20.44 | ||cw | aes is a rather simple and fast cypher as far as cpu usage goes |
| 21:20.53 | stribog | Bushmills: did that |
| 21:20.59 | JyZyXEL | how about tarring? |
| 21:21.01 | ||cw | stribog: no errors? |
| 21:21.05 | stribog | nope |
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| 21:21.15 | ||cw | lists all the sources? |
| 21:21.15 | stribog | uh |
| 21:21.21 | stribog | yes |
| 21:21.28 | ||cw | JyZyXEL: tar is IO heavy |
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| 21:21.31 | stribog | Ign cdrom, |
| 21:21.34 | stribog | that's wrong |
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| 21:21.54 | stribog | what should I do so that it updates to the mirrors? |
| 21:22.22 | Bushmills | stribog: what does apt-cache search . |wc -l show? |
| 21:22.27 | ||cw | uncomment them in the sources.list |
| 21:22.36 | JyZyXEL | well gee what a ripoff the whole x64 then D: |
| 21:22.45 | stribog | where's sources.list |
| 21:23.16 | ||cw | JyZyXEL: it has its uses, it's just not faster, the cpu makes have done a good job in speeding up the x32 side of things |
| 21:23.35 | ||cw | stribog: /etc/apt/ |
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| 21:24.01 | ||cw | odd the installer didn't add the source for you though |
| 21:24.16 | stribog | uh, that |
| 21:24.25 | stribog | that's probably because I told it not to do wireless |
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| 21:24.34 | ||cw | hm, maybe |
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| 21:26.30 | stribog | it's still not showing the full list of packages |
| 21:27.10 | JyZyXEL | http://www.linux.com/archive/articles/114024 |
| 21:27.23 | JyZyXEL | this article states factor of 2 increase in aes speed |
| 21:27.35 | stribog | I'll do say, apt-cache search xmonad and no results |
| 21:27.54 | ||cw | update |
| 21:28.12 | stribog | yes, I did that |
| 21:28.21 | ||cw | and it hit all the repos? |
| 21:28.36 | stribog | I believe so, yes |
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| 21:29.00 | stribog | I've got lenny/updates main |
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| 21:29.10 | stribog | and lenny/volatile main |
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| 21:30.31 | ||cw | what about lenny main ? |
| 21:30.42 | ||cw | and contrib? |
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| 21:30.52 | ||cw | not sure what repo that package is in |
| 21:30.52 | stribog | lenny/updates main is there |
| 21:30.55 | stribog | no contrib |
| 21:30.59 | ||cw | that's JUST updates |
| 21:31.10 | ||cw | not packages that haven't had updates |
| 21:31.28 | ||cw | just security updates even |
| 21:31.40 | stribog | so, what should I put in/ |
| 21:31.41 | stribog | ?* |
| 21:31.56 | ||cw | I have deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian lenny main contrib |
| 21:32.14 | ||cw | replace with your mirror of choice |
| 21:32.44 | stribog | ty |
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| 21:32.59 | \amethyst | JyZyXEL: http://mdessus.free.fr/?p=16 shows a more modest 5--25% improvement with aes (and a slow-down with many other symmetric algorithms), but a close to 2x improvement for asymmetric ciphers |
| 21:33.25 | \amethyst | JyZyXEL: that one is on an intel processor rather than AMD, and is a couple of years later |
| 21:33.30 | stribog | yeah, now the update is actually taking time |
| 21:33.44 | stribog | thanks again |
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| 21:35.13 | jordanm | keith4: hows it going? |
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| 21:37.06 | jordanm | feels so... lost without his shell account |
| 21:37.32 | Ziber | Tis why I have VPS's :D |
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| 21:38.14 | jordanm | well, by shell account I meant VPS... although a backup one would be nice :). my hosting provider had a "major power outage". |
| 21:38.55 | jaquer | I'm trying to install sid, but debootstrap is failing due to bug #581420. Is there a way to use a different version/patch the util-linux package that's blocking the install? I'm using the daily d-i business card CD. |
| 21:39.02 | JoshH | jordanm, was it bluehost? |
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| 21:39.45 | Ziber | JoshH: ah. i have VPSs at home as well, but those arent really backups... no public ipv4 ips, shitty bw from my own ISP, not in a datacenter, etc. |
| 21:39.47 | jordanm | JoshH: grokthis aka vpsvillage |
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| 21:40.05 | Ziber | i just use those for testing and playing around and learning about Xen. |
| 21:40.20 | jaquer | I'l late to the VPS discussion, but if someone is asking for a reco, I highly suggest Linode. |
| 21:40.27 | JoshH | ah, i heard bluehost had a big power related outage yesterday so thought maybe it was them |
| 21:41.11 | jordanm | I have always heard good things about linode, but I use grokthis because they are very... uhh geek friendly and release a lot of their own code as open source |
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| 21:41.39 | Ziber | I use ezvps personally, which is the best deal I've found for the specs. Got two VPS's from them in fact. :) |
| 21:42.14 | jaquer | The connection has timed out |
| 21:42.14 | jaquer | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:42.34 | Ziber | lol #flood |
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| 21:43.14 | jaquer | shite, sorry about the flood |
| 21:43.21 | jaquer | didn't notice the newlines |
| 21:43.55 | jordanm | my irssi client is supossed to covert newlines to spaces... but it doesn't always work |
| 21:44.26 | jordanm | also supossed to warn about > 2 line pastes... also does not always work |
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| 21:46.31 | ||cw | xchat rate limits itself for >3 lines I think |
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| 21:47.00 | jordanm | wishes keith4 was around to tell him the results |
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| 21:50.55 | juju2143 | Ashhh |
| 21:51.38 | Ashhh | juju2143 |
| 21:51.39 | Ashhh | o/ |
| 21:51.48 | juju2143 | :P |
| 21:52.33 | Appetite | In the network manager, you can click "forward to other connections" to share your internet, right? Does anyone know how to do this without a window manager, on commandline? |
| 21:55.03 | jordanm | Appetite: iptables masquerading for the manual way |
| 21:55.45 | Appetite | jordanm: could you explain to me how to do it, then? i dont have any clue how to do it manually, i read on the ubuntu wiki about how to do it in the terminal, but it was (1) confusing and (2) didn't work |
| 21:56.37 | jordanm | Appetite: what distro/release are you using? |
| 21:56.42 | jordanm | also: |
| 21:56.44 | jordanm | !doesn't work |
| 21:56.44 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>. |
| 21:59.19 | Appetite | jordanm: oh i know about that |
| 21:59.30 | Appetite | jordanm: but i cant tell you more than "it doesn't work"... |
| 21:59.36 | Appetite | because.. "it doesn't share a connection" |
| 21:59.54 | Appetite | jordanm: debianny squeeze/sid |
| 21:59.56 | Appetite | -y |
| 22:00.00 | Appetite | -n |
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| 22:00.03 | Appetite | >_> |
| 22:00.07 | jordanm | !masquerade |
| 22:00.24 | jordanm | !listkeys masquerade |
| 22:00.26 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'masquerade' by key (4): dns masquerade #del# ;; ipmasquerade #del# ;; _default ipmasquerade ;; #debian ipmasquerade. |
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| 22:01.31 | jordanm | !ipmasq |
| 22:01.31 | dpkg | If all you want is NAT (internet connection sharing), aptitude install ipmasq; and be happy. Otherwise learn about it at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/ . The ipmasq package was removed from Debian post-Lenny to resolve bug #538384. |
| 22:01.43 | jordanm | Appetite: see the tldp documentation above |
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| 22:07.59 | OperaFan | Hi, I have some file duplication across packages problems in apt, not really sure what the safe thing to do is? http://pastebin.com/ne1KX0uE |
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| 22:08.55 | ||cw | can you uninstall libavcodec52 without making a mess? |
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| 22:09.36 | \amethyst | OperaFan: do you need the debian-multimedia version of ffmpeg? |
| 22:09.50 | spersaud_ | is there a simpler program than samba to share files between computers ? |
| 22:10.08 | peterrooney | spersaud_: scp |
| 22:10.09 | spersaud_ | plus I want to be able to play songs in rythmbox .. is this possible ? |
| 22:10.19 | ||cw | spersaud_: depends on the OS's and how friendly you want it |
| 22:10.39 | \amethyst | OperaFan: if so, you'll probably need to install the debian-multimedia versions of libavcodec52 and possibly others |
| 22:10.43 | peterrooney | spersaud_: samba can be pretty simple |
| 22:10.44 | spersaud_ | peterrooney: I know I am using SCP right now to put some files on another computer with more hd space |
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| 22:10.52 | spersaud_ | the two computers have debian |
| 22:11.25 | ||cw | servers or desktops? |
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| 22:12.23 | spersaud_ | well one is a laptop which has more hd space than my desktop .... guess it will be the server |
| 22:12.26 | ||cw | desktops you can put in your file manager sftp://otherpcname and login and briwse everything |
| 22:12.51 | ||cw | you could also do an nfs mount |
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| 22:18.30 | OperaFan | \amethyst: How will apt decide which one to use when debian and debian multimedia both have ffmpeg (is that the problem?) |
| 22:19.25 | OperaFan | arrghhh dll-hell |
| 22:19.50 | OperaFan | can't remove ffmpeg unmet dependancies, can't fix things either |
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| 22:20.49 | OperaFan | and the suggestion solution is blocked for the same reason to. Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution). |
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| 22:21.54 | OperaFan | I'm only messing with the libs because there doesn't seem to be a MP4bx binary for armel |
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| 22:29.55 | rgr | heh, i tried to install ffmpeg recently - same stuff. |
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| 22:30.51 | oznt | hi guys |
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| 22:31.13 | oznt | does someone knows a way to wget the source code of webpages ? not the webpages them self |
| 22:31.23 | oznt | *them selves |
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| 22:32.08 | jaquer | Umm.. the webpage you download IS the source code. |
| 22:32.29 | jaquer | You need to open it with a text editor in order to be able to view it though. |
| 22:33.04 | idimmu | if you mean the source code to dynamic pages, on a properly configured site, you cant |
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| 22:34.24 | ubsafder | i upgraded my squeeze and lost kde how do i reinstall it ? |
| 22:35.11 | ubsafder | i still can boot in recovery mode |
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| 22:42.19 | Bushmills | ubsafder: aptitude |
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| 22:47.41 | BLZbubba | i built my own version of a .deb (tora); is there any way to tell apt-get to forget about updating this package? |
| 22:47.52 | BLZbubba | the "hold" process didn't seem to do it |
| 22:48.14 | lindi- | BLZbubba: give your modified version a higher version number |
| 22:48.18 | amphi | BLZbubba: give it a different version |
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| 22:50.25 | BLZbubba | that is one option, is it not possible to just force apt-get to leave it alone? i nuked the dev environment |
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| 22:50.39 | BLZbubba | but i can set it up again if i have no alternative |
| 22:51.01 | BLZbubba | tora requires so much kde goo to build (but not to install for some reason) |
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| 22:53.52 | ubsafder | i would rather do apt-get install xxxxxxxxx |
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| 22:57.28 | Bushmills | so do it |
| 22:58.00 | lindi- | BLZbubba: echo tora hold | sudo dpkg --set-selections |
| 22:58.14 | lindi- | BLZbubba: but there's a bug related to unattended-upgrades, it'll upgrade it anyway |
| 22:58.43 | BLZbubba | ok guess i'll load up kdelibs5-dev kdebase-bin. it's only disk space :) |
| 23:00.49 | rzeka | in sources there are 4 types of packages right? main, contrib, non-free and testing? |
| 23:01.14 | lindi- | rzeka: nope |
| 23:01.35 | themill | lindi-: the installed version has a pin of 100 and the version in the archives (usually) has a higher pin than that. There's not really a bug here. |
| 23:01.47 | rzeka | eh, so I have to google for osurces.list : |
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| 23:02.20 | lindi- | themill: the bug is http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=511677 |
| 23:02.23 | themill | rzeka: google isn't requried, man 5 sources.list |
| 23:02.40 | rzeka | ye, but I'll get right mirror for my location from google :D |
| 23:03.15 | themill | lindi-: ah... that has nothing to do with packages being of the same version though (which is the issue at hand) |
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| 23:03.54 | lindi- | themill: it was just a reminder that setting a package on hold may not work currently |
| 23:04.50 | themill | hold wouldn't work in this situation anyway though (but thanks for the reminder not to use unattended-upgrades :) |
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| 23:05.29 | lindi- | themill: got some other nice way to get security updates automatically? |
| 23:05.55 | themill | lindi-: cron-apt works just fine |
| 23:07.31 | lindi- | hmm |
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| 23:07.41 | themill | lindi-: I'd think twice about automagical installation in any case though, unless you're running off a private mirror where you're testing the updates out first |
| 23:07.57 | dysinger | simple question: what's the env var for headless apt-get install (no confirmation/config) |
| 23:08.01 | dysinger | ? |
| 23:08.05 | dysinger | I can't find it ... :/ |
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| 23:09.31 | themill | dysinger: DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive; but you probably want to preseed things into debconf in advance using debconf-set-selections. |
| 23:09.37 | dysinger | sweet |
| 23:09.42 | dysinger | thanks themill - IRC FTW again |
| 23:09.47 | themill | np |
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| 23:20.25 | setient | how is everyone today |
| 23:21.09 | nevyn | umm a little dehydrated.. |
| 23:22.12 | setient | :( |
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| 23:24.44 | vyrgozunqk | a ? |
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| 23:31.31 | jaggz1 | who should I add to my postfix RBL (blacklist) list? I'm getting so much spam |
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| 23:33.32 | zebradog_ | jaggz1, assbook |
| 23:33.42 | abrotman | jaggz1: i believe if you ask #postfix they have two or three basic recommendations .. something like njabl, spamhaus and uhm .. i can't remember |
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| 23:34.01 | n00bie | how do i change keymap |
| 23:34.27 | n00bie | (from console) |
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| 23:36.22 | jaggz1 | thanks |
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| 23:36.40 | mentor | n00n3r: install-keymap |
| 23:36.49 | shazbotmcnasty | he already left maing |
| 23:37.15 | jaggz1 | asking now, brotman |
| 23:37.32 | zebradog_ | jaggz1, blacklist asia, that's where most of spam seems to be coming from nowadays, at least for me |
| 23:37.39 | zebradog_ | not being asian phobic.. |
| 23:37.55 | zebradog_ | but seriously, i don't know anybody who lives in asia |
| 23:38.04 | jaggz1 | I can't blacklist all of asia.. I have a lot of visitors from there |
| 23:38.10 | abrotman | anyways .. ask #postfix |
| 23:38.17 | zebradog_ | jaggz1, you eat dog? |
| 23:38.24 | zebradog_ | jaggz1, >: |
| 23:38.26 | jaggz1 | yeah.. oh.. that's what I meant, brotman.. I'm asking there :) |
| 23:38.37 | jaggz1 | only striped ones |
| 23:38.51 | zebradog_ | jaggz1, I eat pussy |
| 23:38.53 | zebradog_ | cats that is |
| 23:38.54 | zebradog_ | mwaha |
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| 23:39.27 | fr33k | pussy .. but only striped ones .. :) |
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| 23:40.46 | abrotman | really? take it somewhere else |
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