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| 00:02.47 | Selveste1 | Hey, not sure this is the right plase to ask, but im running Debian Lenny; I have a samba 3.2.5 running as PDC, and my Windows XP profiles get loadet and saved when a maschine is loging in, and out, the problem is, when a XP-client have bin logged in, and the profile updated on another computer, it dosn't reload server profile until the client have bin rebooted, is there a way to force all clients to load the server |
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| 00:02.48 | Selveste1 | profile on login, eg. in a login-script.? |
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| 00:04.15 | dutchfish | Selveste1: on windows gpupdate /force should do it (when you have a domain policy rolled out properly) |
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| 00:05.36 | ponyofdeath | hi, how can i rollback udev in squeeze to 150 from 154 it messed up my xen hotplug stuff? |
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| 00:05.39 | Selveste1 | dutchfish: Can I roll this policy out from the server, or du I have to go to every client.? - Im new in the PDC world |
| 00:05.57 | dutchfish | Selveste1: windows does not garanty a force reload on every logon, it isnt usefull either to always load roaming profiles on logon, that would defeat the purpose |
| 00:06.43 | dutchfish | Selveste1: first rtfm, yes, if your domain policyis in place that should work |
| 00:07.21 | dutchfish | Selveste1: its done on the pdc |
| 00:07.36 | Selveste1 | dutchfish: thanks :) I will look into that now :) |
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| 00:07.45 | dutchfish | Selveste1: yw |
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| 00:17.53 | SuperMiguel | when is squeeze getting release? |
| 00:18.09 | dutchfish | SuperMiguel: wiir |
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| 00:18.26 | SuperMiguel | wiir? |
| 00:18.46 | dutchfish | SuperMiguel: when it is ready |
| 00:18.50 | SuperMiguel | Women In International Security |
| 00:18.53 | SuperMiguel | ohhh |
| 00:19.00 | SuperMiguel | no eta on that? |
| 00:19.04 | abrotman | !wwst |
| 00:19.06 | abrotman | !wwsr |
| 00:19.06 | dpkg | Squeeze will release <WIR>, <SIYH>. No release schedule is done yet. Ask me about <squeeze bet>. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2010/05/msg00000.html |
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| 00:21.00 | mythomaniac | well having no release date is kind good... because that would me a freeze would be in place, or about to be in place... having a freeze... means no new packages... which i must say there was a lot of new packages brought into squeeze so far... or no new updated packages... |
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| 00:21.10 | mythomaniac | me mean |
| 00:21.12 | mythomaniac | = |
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| 00:29.35 | Selveste1 | dutchfish: Hey, I have tryed and yes, when i run the command local on the client, it works, but when I add it my login script it dosn't seam to work |
| 00:30.37 | Selveste1 | and I know my login script works, caus i have a ton af drives mounted on logon |
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| 00:41.34 | Selveste1 | squeeze bet |
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| 01:42.27 | hufx | how can I check my IP address fron the command line? |
| 01:42.49 | ApEtc | ifconfig |
| 01:43.27 | abrotman | ip |
| 01:43.42 | hufx | ah ok will it be the IP address that my ISP has given me? |
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| 01:44.55 | bubsy | what's the name of the GIT client package? I installed "git" through apt-get, but I do only have binaries like gitview, gitaction, not just "git" |
| 01:45.00 | bubsy | not easy to run a git clone command now :P |
| 01:45.43 | hufx | ok got that |
| 01:46.11 | craigevil | bubsy: aptitude search ~ngit , shows "git" when I search |
| 01:46.26 | bubsy | I already installed git |
| 01:46.35 | bubsy | but I didn't get the "git" executable binary, I got others |
| 01:47.04 | abrotman | hufx: that depends on your setup |
| 01:47.24 | bubsy | ah, thanks |
| 01:47.28 | bubsy | the search command helped me find it |
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| 01:47.53 | hufx | abrotman its cool it listed it |
| 01:47.54 | bubsy | git-core :) |
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| 03:02.28 | ornia | I tried to use linux-source-2.6.32 to make a linux-2.6.32-5-xen-amd64 kernel? |
| 03:02.48 | ornia | The key is that the 2.6.32-xen kernel in sid supports domain 0 (Xen host OS) |
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| 03:03.51 | ornia | But it is not clear if these patches are in the linux-source-2.6.32 tarball or so? |
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| 03:08.01 | ornia | I mean, "apt-get source linux-image-2.6.32-5-xen-amd64" returns: |
| 03:08.02 | ornia | Picking 'linux-2.6' as source package instead of 'linux-image-2.6.32-5-xen-amd64' |
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| 03:26.41 | compaq | hi |
| 03:26.50 | compaq | I tried debian testing, and found that the suspend to ram feature was working, how can check if it available in backports? |
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| 04:05.18 | SuperMiguel | whats the lightest login manager? |
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| 04:05.44 | eryn_1983 | can somebody help me with latex please |
| 04:05.46 | eryn_1983 | http://pastebin.com/iaDYku7B |
| 04:06.04 | eryn_1983 | getting undfined control sequence for minimal and report document class help |
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| 04:12.28 | wols_ | streuner: xdm? wdm? |
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| 04:14.03 | liable | slim? |
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| 04:14.49 | jpinx-eeepc | I need a command to show WAPs signal strength on the cl. Any ideas? |
| 04:15.10 | liable | iwconfig shows it |
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| 04:16.18 | jpinx-eeepc | liable: this line? Link Quality=10/100 Signal level:0 dBm Noise level:-97 dBm |
| 04:16.27 | liable | yeah |
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| 04:16.45 | jpinx-eeepc | what would a good level be? |
| 04:16.48 | streuner | wols_: heh? |
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| 04:17.05 | hamcore | i did: apt-get install tcl but eggdrop still returns checking for Tcl library... not found checking for Tcl headr... not found and weirdly i haven't /usr/lib/tcl8.5 dir, where comes tcl.h? |
| 04:17.16 | liable | jpinx-eeepc: each driver shows it different, but the closer to whole the fraction, the better |
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| 04:17.40 | jpinx-eeepc | I'm trying to get a USB wifi adaptor to work with my eeepc, Linux black901eeepc 2.6.26-2-686 #1 SMP Tue Mar 9 17:35:51 UTC 2010 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 04:17.43 | jpinx-eeepc | I can plug in the adaptor and edit wicd preferences to use wlan0 (rather than ra0 for the internal eeepc wifi) and on refresh, wicd shows the considerable increased signal strength that is expected. On trying to connect it fails to get any dhcp offers |
| 04:18.27 | hamcore | what package has tcl.h file? |
| 04:18.46 | streuner | hamcore: /msg dpkg search |
| 04:19.31 | hamcore | streuner i've installed tcl8.5 package but it weirdly doesn't came |
| 04:19.45 | jpinx-eeepc | liable: "whole the fraction" ? Not wuite sure what you mean |
| 04:19.55 | liable | you want dev for header files |
| 04:20.15 | hamcore | tcl-dev? |
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| 04:20.18 | liable | jpinx-eeepc: 7/10 is closer to a whole number than 1/10 |
| 04:20.32 | jpinx-eeepc | liable: ah - ok :) |
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| 04:21.27 | jpinx-eeepc | liable: currently shows wlan as Link Quality:0 :( |
| 04:21.35 | jpinx-eeepc | *wlan0 |
| 04:21.43 | liable | sounds like its not associated |
| 04:22.20 | \amethyst | hamcore: tcl8.3-dev tcl8.4-dev tcl8.5-dev |
| 04:22.44 | hamcore | \amethyst thanks. |
| 04:22.51 | hamcore | liable \amethyst streuner thanks |
| 04:23.49 | jpinx-eeepc | liable: I'm installing ...32~bpo to see if the drivers are better there - it's an rtl8187 usb adaptor |
| 04:24.21 | liable | worth a try |
| 04:25.17 | jpinx-eeepc | liable: one of those high-power adaptors - probably illegal in the western world ;) |
| 04:25.55 | liable | you might find the driver doesnt let you crank it up though |
| 04:26.15 | liable | the power, that is |
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| 04:27.49 | jpinx-eeepc | liable: I'll get the new kernel working and see if it'll fire up at all fiirst, then try to sort out the power settings |
| 04:28.10 | Crypticfortune | playing around with open-iscsi, I'm confused as how you're supposed to figure out the device created when a new node is created...? "ls -lt /dev/" worked for now, but I don't think that's too reliable =P |
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| 04:50.43 | wols_ | jpinx-eeepc: which 8187 is it exactly? cause I thought this chip doesn't need any userspace firmware? |
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| 04:51.53 | jpinx-eeepc | wols_: everything so far is in http://pastebin.com/euCjh3ei |
| 04:52.52 | jpinx-eeepc | wols_: lsusb verbose for device |
| 04:52.53 | jpinx-eeepc | Bus 005 Device 023: ID 0bda:8187 Realtek Semiconductor Corp. RTL8187 Wireless Adapter |
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| 05:26.26 | ShazbotMcNasty | is there an equivalent to pysdm in debian repos? http://pysdm.sourceforge.net/#pysdm |
| 05:26.32 | ShazbotMcNasty | or should I just build from source... |
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| 05:36.08 | StuckMojo | is there a channel for backports? |
| 05:36.19 | wols_ | StuckMojo: no |
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| 05:38.50 | nomende | after installing 'splashy', i still get the texts during boot, only in smaller size. anyone can help ? |
| 05:39.15 | jpinx-eeepc | during install of the lenny-bpo ...32 kernel I get Failed to fetch http://www.backports.org/debian/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/firmware-linux-free_2.6.32-8~bpo50+1_all.deb: 404 Not Found |
| 05:39.30 | wols_ | !splashy |
| 05:39.30 | dpkg | Splashy is a boot splash program requiring no patching of the Linux kernel. Packaged for Lenny and Squeeze. http://splashy.alioth.debian.org/wiki/faq http://splashy.alioth.debian.org/ #splashy on irc.freenode.net. |
| 05:39.34 | shazbotmcnasty | is there any good gui fstab editors that I can use on debian? I used to use pysdm, but it's meant for ubuntu, when I built it from source on debian it didn't quite get everything right...it's unusable for what I need it for.. |
| 05:39.37 | jpinx-eeepc | Is this something I need to fix? |
| 05:40.08 | wols_ | !tell shazbotmcnasty about search |
| 05:40.40 | StuckMojo | jpinx-eeepc: mmmm....i suspect you can get away without it |
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| 05:41.02 | StuckMojo | jpinx-eeepc: try mailing to the backports-users mailinglist though |
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| 05:41.27 | shazbotmcnasty | wols_, I know about search, I am not quite good at "apt-cache search foo" though |
| 05:41.44 | shazbotmcnasty | apt-cache search fstab kinda doesn't give much useful info |
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| 05:43.28 | jpinx-eeepc | wols_: is that reference to splashy for me? |
| 05:43.53 | wols_ | jpinx-eeepc: no |
| 05:44.01 | jpinx-eeepc | StuckMojo: ok - I'll reboot into the newer kernel and see what happens.... |
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| 05:44.24 | wols_ | jpinx-eeepc: why do you make it so hard on yourself? it's not as if you couldn't do your own kernel... |
| 05:44.26 | StuckMojo | jpinx-eeepc: the splashy reference was for the person who asked about it ;) |
| 05:44.39 | shazbotmcnasty | I need to mount a drive that in gparted is listed as /dev/sda, but it doesn't show with mount or pmount, pysdm sees a /dev/sda device, but it gets all screwy there |
| 05:44.53 | wols_ | jpinx-eeepc: as for getting away: it depends on your hardware and if that needs (free) firmware :) |
| 05:45.00 | shazbotmcnasty | it's ntfs |
| 05:45.16 | wols_ | shazbotmcnasty: then mount it? |
| 05:45.24 | shazbotmcnasty | ugh thanks that's helpful |
| 05:45.26 | shazbotmcnasty | HOW |
| 05:45.33 | StuckMojo | shazbotmcnasty: mount /dev/sda /mnt |
| 05:45.36 | StuckMojo | well... |
| 05:45.38 | wols_ | mount /dev/sda /nountpoint |
| 05:45.40 | StuckMojo | shazbotmcnasty: sudo mount /dev/sda /mnt |
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| 05:46.26 | wols_ | and you can of course also add it to fstab. nothing hard about that either. since it's ntfs, I suggest you use ntfsprogs or ntfs-3g and change the perms accordingly |
| 05:46.56 | StuckMojo | you likely want to actually mount a particular partition within it though |
| 05:47.01 | StuckMojo | dmesg | grep sda |
| 05:47.16 | StuckMojo | that should list the partitions, sda1, sda2, etc |
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| 05:48.11 | StuckMojo | shazbotmcnasty: btw, why don't you mount it with gparted? |
| 05:48.27 | shazbotmcnasty | I wasn't aware that was possible |
| 05:49.07 | StuckMojo | hmmm |
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| 05:49.42 | StuckMojo | maybe it can only unmount |
| 05:49.43 | guevolt | hio |
| 05:49.45 | guevolt | hi |
| 05:49.53 | guevolt | I created a vhost for a domain mydomain.com. It works fine. Now I want redirect all domains that has not vhost to a default html. example: /var/www/index.html . I tried do it using the DocumentRoot. But it didnt worked. What I need to do ? |
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| 05:50.26 | StuckMojo | shazbotmcnasty: are you in gnome? |
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| 05:50.32 | shazbotmcnasty | no, openbox |
| 05:50.37 | StuckMojo | shazbotmcnasty: ah, me too |
| 05:50.47 | StuckMojo | shazbotmcnasty: you can get the gnome menus in openbox you know |
| 05:50.56 | shazbotmcnasty | yeah |
| 05:51.02 | jpinx-eeepc | Hrmph - now I have no wifi at all in the new kernel |
| 05:51.20 | StuckMojo | see openbox-xdgmenu |
| 05:51.49 | StuckMojo | shazbotmcnasty: try using this: palimpsest |
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| 05:52.49 | StuckMojo | that's the command, it's in the package gnome-disk-utility...ah crap. that's only in ubuntu i guess |
| 05:53.22 | jpinx-eeepc | ifconfig wlan0 up gives me SIOCSIFFLAGS: Operation not permitted |
| 05:53.24 | vilemaxim | guevolt, maybe ServerAlias |
| 05:53.34 | jpinx-eeepc | what have I done wrong_ |
| 05:53.52 | wols_ | jpinx-eeepc: what does dmesg say? what ifconfig -a? |
| 05:54.20 | StuckMojo | jpinx-eeepc: wifi is the soft of thing that the firmware package is for |
| 05:54.21 | shazbotmcnasty | StuckMojo, it works |
| 05:54.43 | StuckMojo | jpinx-eeepc: try getting firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 05:55.01 | jpinx-eeepc | wols_: StuckMojo [ 299.724988] ERROR!!! NICLoadFirmware failed, Status[=0x00000001] |
| 05:55.07 | jpinx-eeepc | looks like I need it... |
| 05:55.54 | wols_ | jpinx-eeepc: get it from say, squeeze? |
| 05:56.07 | StuckMojo | shazbotmcnasty: out of curiosity, what package is that in? |
| 05:56.20 | shazbotmcnasty | gnome-disk-utility |
| 05:56.22 | shazbotmcnasty | like you said |
| 05:56.32 | StuckMojo | odd...i don't find that package in lenny |
| 05:56.38 | jpinx-eeepc | really does not want to mix-n-match so much |
| 05:56.47 | shazbotmcnasty | I'm on squeeze D: |
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| 05:56.58 | StuckMojo | shazbotmcnasty: ah |
| 05:57.08 | shazbotmcnasty | although StuckMojo I can't do anything with it really... |
| 05:57.09 | StuckMojo | that 'splains it |
| 05:57.28 | shazbotmcnasty | other than format, check filesystem, format, or edit labels/flags |
| 05:57.41 | shazbotmcnasty | the label/flags is only bootable flag and filesystem flag |
| 05:58.11 | jpinx-eeepc | it-s telling me that I need some additional files / specifically rt2860sta: rt2860.bin |
| 05:58.46 | jpinx-eeepc | where will I get them? |
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| 06:00.05 | qq- | !tell jpinx-eeepc about rt2860sta |
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| 06:03.41 | the_file | does anybody know how to make debian boot faster |
| 06:03.55 | the_file | but not removing or cutting back on the installed applications |
| 06:04.18 | wols_ | jpinx-eeepc: this is what I don't really understand with your problem: a rt8187 supposedly doesn't need firmware. not to mention that rt2860.sta is a RALINK firmware and that ra0 as you used before is a ralink device name |
| 06:04.22 | wols_ | something doesn't add up |
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| 06:08.12 | sparr | on both debian and ubuntu, for the past few years, running "DISPLAY=:0 xrandr -s 0" (or any other display-affecting xrandr option) from a virtual terminal causes X to crash. what is up with that? can anyone confirm it for me? |
| 06:08.55 | tpocra | I tried applying the pvops patch I found inside the linux-patch-debian-2.6.32 package |
| 06:09.35 | tpocra | to the linux-2.6.32 source |
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| 06:09.37 | tpocra | ut I got these errors: http://pastebin.com/2u7stikq |
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| 06:25.04 | breedx | what's the debian way to configure a kernel parameter into a specific grub configuration? |
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| 06:27.18 | the-dude | breedx: did you read /boot/grub/menu.lst ? |
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| 06:27.56 | erlehmann | hello. since a few days ago i have no sound on debian, with an intel onboard sound card. alsa and oss still work, but pulseaudio only shows dummy output. can somebody help me to debug that issue ? |
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| 06:27.59 | breedx | the-dude: guess I should upgrade to grub2 first then huh? ;) |
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| 06:28.19 | breedx | the-dude: testing apparently still usese 1.98 |
| 06:28.57 | the-dude | breedx: why grub 2 doesn't have menu.lst |
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| 06:29.27 | breedx | the-dude: yeah, I don't have menu.lst -- but now that I've installed the grub2 package I notice that it's version is 1.98-1 |
| 06:29.31 | johnmar | hi,whats the squeeze's latest kernel edition? |
| 06:29.38 | breedx | the-dude: the plot thickens. |
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| 06:30.10 | wols_ | !wayttd breedx |
| 06:30.10 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, breedx? |
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| 06:30.22 | breedx | the-dude: ok, so this is grub2...my bad. |
| 06:30.37 | breedx | dpkg: pass a custom kernel parameter to a specific grub configuration. |
| 06:30.37 | dpkg | breedx: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
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| 06:33.53 | guevolt | vilemaxim: look this: http://pastebin.com/Xpgc9aR7 |
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| 06:37.04 | wols_ | breedx: edit your grub.cfg if it applies only for a single kernel image |
| 06:37.27 | breedx | wols_: it does, but won't that get stomped on after the next grub-update? |
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| 06:38.29 | breedx | this pretty much addresses the whole thing: http://harrison3001.blogspot.com/2009/09/grub-2-graphical-boot-tips-to-set.html |
| 06:38.31 | wols_ | it will :( |
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| 06:39.05 | wols_ | breedx: what has the vga mode to do with that? |
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| 06:39.47 | breedx | wols_: that's the option I was wanting to set. :) |
| 06:40.27 | breedx | wols_: but you're right, that totally doesn't address the more general way of passing parameters. Seems like a grub2 shortcoming huh? |
| 06:40.54 | wols_ | no. a debian configuration of grub shortcoming |
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| 06:41.04 | breedx | wols_: fair 'nuff. |
| 06:41.08 | wols_ | the way it is set up right now, all images get the same parameters |
| 06:41.25 | breedx | wols_: so how would I pass one to all images then, the debian way? |
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| 06:44.46 | breedx | fyi: I can confirm that dropping "set gfxpayload=keep" into /etc/grub.d/00_header after the "set gfxmode=..." line does persist the console resolution as claimed in that article. |
| 06:45.01 | wols_ | breedx: /etc/default/grub see the "CMDLINE" entries |
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| 06:46.06 | breedx | wols_: sweet, thanks. |
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| 06:47.38 | sparr | somehow gdm got onto my apt autoremove list. how might that have happened? |
| 06:48.08 | wols_ | you removed something that dragged in gdm. e.g. gnome |
| 06:48.36 | sparr | I did not remove gnome |
| 06:49.24 | sparr | I was very stupid and did autoremove without reading the full list of packages. I'm looking at dpkg.log to see what it removed so I can get things back |
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| 06:55.48 | fafnir0 | I'm using Debian testing/stable. Why do I automatically get installed the obsolete "diff" and "mktemp" packages? |
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| 06:57.12 | rsmith | usb scanner inaccessible to non-root users since latest kernel security update. user IS in scanner group. any pointers? is there supposed to be a USB group? |
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| 06:59.43 | wols_ | fafnir0: there is no such thing as "testing/stable" |
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| 07:05.43 | erlehmann | hello. since a few days ago i have no sound on debian, with an intel onboard sound card. alsa and oss still work, but pulseaudio only shows dummy output. can somebody help me to debug that issue ? |
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| 07:06.54 | valio | http://pastebin.com/KQyDEYP3 |
| 07:07.12 | valio | can you help me to do this problem |
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| 07:12.15 | wols_ | valio: we do not support ubuntu |
| 07:12.26 | valio | it is debian 5 lenny |
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| 07:12.31 | valio | it's not ubuntu |
| 07:12.47 | valio | 5.0.4 |
| 07:13.02 | wols_ | then why did you install ubuntu software into debian? |
| 07:13.53 | valio | :) I'm still a newbe |
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| 07:14.20 | wols_ | and that is relevant how? |
| 07:14.31 | valio | I tried to uninstall pidgin and install the latest from pidgin.com but there was only version for ubuntu |
| 07:15.21 | valio | and that's how I screwed up my apt |
| 07:15.23 | valio | :( |
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| 07:18.25 | ondrejk | valio: you have to use synaptics or aptitude, when you install sw not from repositories, you cant be surprised when it wont work ... |
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| 07:20.09 | jaybinks | any debian hackers / developers looking for a little project ? :) |
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| 07:20.45 | ondrejk | jaybinks: too abstract |
| 07:20.48 | valio | and how can I remove this package now? |
| 07:21.16 | ondrejk | valio: what did you did? i cant see pastebin you placed .. |
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| 07:22.11 | valio | http://pastebin.com/QUCG8Lzv |
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| 07:23.13 | ondrejk | valio: what says aptitude '~ipidgin' ? |
| 07:23.43 | ondrejk | valio: run synaptics or update |
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| 07:24.27 | valio | it runs normally |
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| 07:24.55 | valio | http://pastebin.com/RtTmv9ju |
| 07:25.14 | ondrejk | valio: btw apt is obsollete |
| 07:25.56 | ondrejk | valio: try aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade && aptitude install pidgin |
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| 07:26.46 | wols_ | ondrejk: how is that supposed to help him? |
| 07:27.03 | wols_ | until his problem is resolved, apt won't install _anything_ |
| 07:27.36 | ondrejk | wols_: it should suggest solution isn't it? |
| 07:27.54 | valio | that's right. it doesn't install anything :) |
| 07:28.01 | valio | the same error |
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| 07:28.56 | wols_ | ondrejk: not on a broken, interrupted package installation |
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| 07:29.35 | wols_ | valio: for the future: /msg dpkg localized errors |
| 07:30.58 | valio | ok :) |
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| 07:37.46 | dserban__ | why can't I find cvs in squeeze? |
| 07:37.55 | dserban__ | aptitude search cvs returns nothing |
| 07:37.56 | dserban__ | :s |
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| 07:38.14 | faca | Hello, I can make a user of courier-imap can check your emails only locally and not to read when accessed from a remote connection?. I need that some users may access from one connection outside the intranet and in so other users can not. |
| 07:39.27 | wols_ | dserban__: your squeeze is broken |
| 07:39.30 | wols_ | ,versions cvs |
| 07:39.32 | judd | cvs -- etch: 1:1.12.13-8; lenny: 1:1.12.13-12; sid: 1:1.12.13-12; squeeze: 1:1.12.13-12 |
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| 07:39.57 | faca | please help :( |
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| 07:40.52 | ethanol | mornin' all |
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| 07:51.12 | xro | hi, to execute script on a remote machine, i would like use ssh root@host "python /path/script.py" --> but i would have to type a password... so i tried to do --> ssh-copy -i /.ssh/id_rsa.pub root@host, exec ssh-agent bash, ssh-add.... but i always have to type password... why? can u help me? |
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| 07:57.01 | wols_ | xro: root@host? |
| 07:58.06 | wols_ | and what is ssh-copy? |
| 07:58.09 | xro | wols_, yes --> user@192.168.1.2 |
| 07:58.27 | wols_ | user@is different frm root@... and what is ssh-copy? |
| 07:58.31 | wols_ | ,file ssh-copy |
| 07:58.33 | judd | No packages were found with that file. |
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| 07:59.16 | mattgirv | ssh-copy-id? |
| 07:59.20 | mattgirv | it's a script afaik. |
| 08:00.31 | mattgirv | xro , wols_ : http://linux.die.net/man/1/ssh-copy-id |
| 08:01.20 | xro | <mattgirv, exactly what i tried... but have you an idea why it still ask for password? |
| 08:01.54 | mattgirv | xro: Probably because SSH is configured to require a password, no? |
| 08:02.10 | ethanol | how can one force aptitude to remove a single package but leave all other packages that depend on it intact/installed? |
| 08:02.39 | Str82DHeaD | Hi! I have a RAID 1 array and recently i found out that one of the two drives is down. I'm talking about software raid1. I hot added it and the sync went fine. Now when i call "mdadm --detail /dev/md0" as a status for the second i get " 1 8 17 1 active sync writemostly /dev/sdb1 ". What does that writemostly means?? And do I have to worry about it? |
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| 08:03.04 | mattgirv | xro: I'm off out now, but make sure you have enabled key authentication in your ssh conf. |
| 08:03.31 | xro | mattgirv, ok i'll check it.. |
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| 08:05.56 | xro | mattgirv, there are these 2 parameters --> PubkeyAuthentication yes #AuthorizedKeysFile %h/.ssh/authorized_keys should i uncomment AuthorizedKeysFile? |
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| 08:06.41 | manchot | can anyone show me the persmissions of the /tmp dir? |
| 08:06.51 | manchot | should it be 1777 or what by default ? |
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| 08:07.48 | SlayerXP | manchot: if only there was a website that let you ask common questions in natural language and went looking for web pages that night answer your question... |
| 08:08.16 | SPF | manchot: drwxrwxrwt 13 root root 4096 2010-05-27 10:06 tmp |
| 08:08.17 | manchot | SlayerXP, what? |
| 08:08.19 | rww | manchot: drwxrwxrwt on my testing install. I'm unsure as to what t converts to in octal :( |
| 08:08.35 | SlayerXP | i shall make my fortune by inventing such a service and I shall call it............. Gaaaaaaaaaaaaaagle |
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| 08:09.02 | manchot | thank you SPF rww My Xen VPS does not set /tmp as 1777 by default. |
| 08:09.16 | manchot | I am confused since a default install should be 1777 for /tmp |
| 08:09.39 | manchot | SlayerXP, gag your mouthpiece |
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| 08:12.40 | wols_ | manchot: there is nothing to "set". it's install/created that way |
| 08:13.21 | manchot | wols_, in two cases I found the VPS (xen virtual private server) all have /tmp set differently for lenny. |
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| 08:13.35 | manchot | I wondered if this is a Xen flavor |
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| 08:14.21 | Krishnandu | Hi friends...!! I'm new to debian...!! |
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| 08:14.30 | manchot | drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 May 27 02:24 .debtags |
| 08:14.38 | Krishnandu | Can't understand which one to download?? Please help http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.4/i386/bt-cd/ |
| 08:14.46 | manchot | can anyone explain to me the what 2 means in the ls -al line above? |
| 08:15.04 | manchot | drwxr-xr-x 7 1000 users 4096 May 26 07:37 unixbench-5.1.2 |
| 08:15.04 | Krishnandu | manchot, no of links |
| 08:15.12 | manchot | this one has 7 |
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| 08:15.33 | manchot | Krishnandu, then what does 7 mean? |
| 08:15.39 | Krishnandu | manchot, No of links(hard/symbolic) |
| 08:15.41 | incredible | I have mounted ufs (sun) in debian machine. To make it read/write, I enabled the write option for UFS and recompiled the kernel. Though now I am able to write, but write speed is very less ~120KB/s. Can someone tell me what to do? |
| 08:15.55 | manchot | Krishnandu, some files have 1, some 2, some larger. |
| 08:15.57 | Krishnandu | manchot, links are same what we call shortcuts in windows |
| 08:16.17 | manchot | Krishnandu, I know. so if a file have 100 links , the number will be 100? |
| 08:16.25 | Krishnandu | manchot, yup |
| 08:16.28 | rww | manchot: It's the number of links to the file. Files generally have 1, directories have one for each file inside them (thanks to the .. link). |
| 08:17.07 | Krishnandu | Hey guys.....I'm new to debian can't figure out which one to download?? Please help http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.4/i386/bt-cd/ |
| 08:17.25 | incredible | can someone please help me? |
| 08:17.28 | Krishnandu | there are cd-1 to cd-31 do I have to download them all?? |
| 08:17.32 | pallgone | hi, i have a debian mirror with ftp server on my local network... how do I specify that in the installer? e.g. ftp://... or something like that? |
| 08:17.56 | rww | Krishnandu: CD-1 if you want to download a full-sized CD image and install from it, or netinst if you want to download a small CD image and download from the 'net during install |
| 08:18.05 | manchot | rww, I don't understand the directory part. |
| 08:18.30 | manchot | rww, I got a dir that says 7 but I didn't see any links to it. |
| 08:18.39 | manchot | or inside it. |
| 08:18.42 | Krishnandu | rww, ok thanks.....but what are the cd-2 to cd-31?? |
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| 08:19.06 | Krishnandu | manchot, may be there are links for that directory anywhere else |
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| 08:19.34 | manchot | Krishnandu, is there any command that I can trace all the links to a dir or file? |
| 08:19.35 | rww | Krishnandu: CD 1 contains all the packages needed for a normal install. The rest of the CDs contain everything else in Debian. |
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| 08:19.54 | Krishnandu | manchot, dunno that :P |
| 08:20.00 | rww | Generally, you'd get CD 1 and use Internet repositories for the rest. |
| 08:20.08 | Krishnandu | rww, okies.....!! |
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| 08:20.23 | Krishnandu | rww, Can you suggest which would be better?? GNOME or KDE?? |
| 08:20.30 | manchot | Krishnandu, if you have eth0 with dhcp, generally a mini.iso would suffice to install debian. |
| 08:20.37 | NiLon | krisfremen it's matter of taste |
| 08:20.38 | rww | Krishnandu: it's personal preference |
| 08:20.42 | manchot | Krishnandu, gnome ;) |
| 08:21.02 | Krishnandu | manchot, rww Thanks :) |
| 08:21.09 | manchot | rww, still not sure why a newly created dir has 7 under ls -al |
| 08:21.19 | NiLon | Krishnandu tho it's been said that gnome is "easier" and kde let's you tune more |
| 08:21.22 | rww | oh, there it is. http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#which-cd |
| 08:21.30 | manchot | Krishnandu, I would use a business card iso or netinstall if you have a lan connection. |
| 08:21.47 | Krishnandu | manchot, now what's business card edition? |
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| 08:22.08 | manchot | Krishnandu, smaller iso. you download everything from the sources. |
| 08:22.31 | Krishnandu | manchot, okies...!! |
| 08:23.02 | Krishnandu | NiLon, Ya I know KDE lets us to tune more....!! But each distro I've tried till now I found GNOME Better |
| 08:23.32 | Krishnandu | NiLon, Thats why I asked here to get suggestion from the members which should I go for..!! :) |
| 08:23.47 | rww | manchot: one from the parent directory to the directory, and one for each file/directory/whatever inside it |
| 08:24.11 | wols_ | Krishnandu: gnome or kde is irrelevant to install debian. |
| 08:24.24 | wols_ | Krishnandu: how are you connected to the internet on this future debian installation? |
| 08:24.32 | Krishnandu | BSNL BB |
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| 08:24.44 | Krishnandu | Unlimited |
| 08:24.45 | wols_ | that's not what I mean. I mean: ethernet or WLAN or what? |
| 08:24.46 | Krishnandu | 256kbps |
| 08:24.56 | Krishnandu | Etheernet |
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| 08:25.01 | Krishnandu | eth0 |
| 08:25.06 | wols_ | do you happen to know what chip this ethernet uses? |
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| 08:25.23 | Krishnandu | No idea |
| 08:25.27 | wols_ | or anything else about the hardware? |
| 08:25.35 | Krishnandu | I'm using Intel D945GCCR chipset |
| 08:25.50 | Krishnandu | inbuilt ethernet card |
| 08:25.51 | wols_ | ok. then get the debian netinst iso (it's 160MB ISO) |
| 08:25.54 | wols_ | !netinst |
| 08:25.54 | dpkg | rumour has it, netinst is a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ See also <check iso image>, <dialup install>, <usb install>, <installer>. |
| 08:26.02 | manchot | rww, thank you. |
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| 08:26.17 | wols_ | it installs a absic debian and the rest you get over the internet, when and if you need it pretty much automatically |
| 08:26.20 | Krishnandu | wols_, Well....I think then I've to download everything from the net |
| 08:26.44 | wols_ | you don't need all the 31 CDs. you simply get the software you want by using "aptitude install <anything>" |
| 08:27.08 | Krishnandu | wols_, Okies...!! So will I get the basic packages in netinst?? |
| 08:27.18 | Krishnandu | wols_, Or I've to download all of them?? |
| 08:27.23 | wols_ | Krishnandu: you always do. but with all CDs you need to get them upfront and MANY gigabytes of software you really don't need. you don't need 50 editors, a dozen mailservers, etc |
| 08:27.42 | wols_ | yes you get the basic packages via netinst and then download only what you need |
| 08:27.48 | Krishnandu | wols_, Ya that's why I was thinking of going atleast for the CD-1 |
| 08:28.06 | Krishnandu | wols_, Ok if, that's the case I would like to go for netinst |
| 08:28.32 | Krishnandu | wols_, I thought I would get only the CLI and everything I need to install from net in netinst |
| 08:28.42 | Krishnandu | wols_, thats why i was avoiding it..!! :) |
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| 08:29.12 | StuckMojo | anyone know how pear gets into the php include path? include_path='.:/usr/share/php:/usr/share/pear' |
| 08:29.23 | StuckMojo | it's not in php.ini anywhere under /etc/php4 |
| 08:29.26 | StuckMojo | er..php5 |
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| 08:31.31 | Bop | anyone got ati catalyst 9.xx latest in debian package ? |
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| 08:33.47 | wols_ | ,versions fglrx |
| 08:33.49 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'fglrx' was found. |
| 08:33.53 | wols_ | ,versions fglrx-driver |
| 08:33.55 | judd | fglrx-driver -- etch/non-free: 8.28.8-4; etch-backports/non-free: 8.47.3-3~bpo40+1; lenny/non-free: 1:8-12-4; sid/non-free: 1:10-4-1; squeeze/non-free: 1:10-4-1 |
| 08:34.31 | wols_ | StuckMojo: try again |
| 08:34.36 | zeitsofa | hello :) did anyone knows how i have to setup pam_mount to use different slot-keys for different users to mount luks devices on login? |
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| 08:35.58 | StuckMojo | wols_: hmmm? |
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| 08:36.12 | StuckMojo | wols_: i mean it's part of the debian php-pear packaging... |
| 08:36.25 | StuckMojo | wols_: so this is the appropriate place to ask |
| 08:36.25 | Bop | wols_, i would use bpo driver , but its for 2.6.26 kernel ! |
| 08:37.28 | wols_ | StuckMojo: it's the proper place but your question was simply crap. hence: try again |
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| 08:37.52 | wols_ | Bop: there is fglrx in bpo? where? |
| 08:38.20 | Bop | no bpo , sorry |
| 08:38.27 | pallgone | hi, i have a debian mirror with ftp server on my local network... how do I specify that in the installer? e.g. ftp://... or something like that? |
| 08:38.39 | wols_ | Bop: what radeon do you have? |
| 08:38.51 | StuckMojo | wols_: ? how so? the include_path in /etc/php/apache/php.ini is commented out. i can't figure out where / how it's getting into the search path |
| 08:39.03 | Bop | wols_, ati HD 4850 |
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| 08:39.16 | StuckMojo | hmmm..although, /usr/share/pear doesn't even exist |
| 08:39.17 | wols_ | Bop: you will need to do a backport of fglrx |
| 08:39.22 | StuckMojo | even curiouser |
| 08:39.39 | Bop | wols_, u mean , compile my own module ? |
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| 08:40.25 | wols_ | Bop: I mean "do a backport". compiling the module, you always have to do when you're not using 2.6.26 |
| 08:40.50 | Bop | i dont know how to make a backport , im using 2.6.30bpo |
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| 08:45.33 | JasonWoof | http://paste.debian.net/75017/ |
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| 08:48.24 | michalxo | hello guys! A friend of mine has a problem with installing "testing" on his PC |
| 08:48.49 | michalxo | debian was unable to "recognize" mouse and keyboard.. have you ever come up with such a problem? |
| 08:48.54 | michalxo | any help please? |
| 08:49.33 | wols_ | why can't he install stable? |
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| 08:50.39 | the-dude | michalxo: normal keyboard or wireless/bluetooth? |
| 08:50.46 | michalxo | normal |
| 08:51.06 | michalxo | wols_ he wants to use testing :-/ lenny worked fine for him :-/ |
| 08:51.17 | michalxo | hm.. but why he used lenny and no squeeze :-/ |
| 08:51.34 | wols_ | without more info we cannot help him. however, installing via testing installer is NEVER ever suggested. not even to run testing |
| 08:51.38 | michalxo | I pressume, altgr+sysrq+r will not work for him :-D |
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| 08:51.59 | wols_ | apart from that: we need more info to help |
| 08:52.04 | michalxo | wols_ I used testing too I think for installation.. |
| 08:52.12 | michalxo | I'll try to get him there |
| 08:52.21 | michalxo | th;anks so far... be back in 5mins :-) |
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| 09:17.18 | BTG_Delta | Did anyone make some strange experiences with debian on old VMWare ESX servers? (2.5.2 in particular) |
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| 09:17.57 | wols_ | !tell BTG_Delta about anyone |
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| 09:21.35 | BTG_Delta | I have strange performance issues with php on lenny installed under vmware ESX 2.5.2. Are there any tweaks that could help with debian's performance under vmware? |
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| 09:22.25 | fafnir0 | wols_: this is the extract from my /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 09:22.27 | fafnir0 | deb ftp://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ stable main contrib non-free |
| 09:22.27 | fafnir0 | deb ftp://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free |
| 09:22.50 | fafnir0 | (with regard to my "diff"/"mktemp" question) |
| 09:23.34 | Bop | anyone with latest catalyst drivers ( 10.5 ) installed ? |
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| 09:29.31 | rimmele_mnm | hello all, i need a command to find all files with numbers in the filename in a floder, including subfolders. Can somebody help me? |
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| 09:30.39 | wols_ | fafnir0: dpkg -l libc6|tail -1;cat /etc/debian_version |
| 09:30.55 | BTG_Delta | rimmele_mnm, you can use find for it. i just cant tell you the right regular expression for your case |
| 09:30.56 | wols_ | rimmele_mnm: man find? |
| 09:31.28 | rimmele_mnm | okay, was not sure if find can work with regEx |
| 09:32.15 | wols_ | fafnir0: mixed branches are not supported. basically they aren't supported anywhere. either you run lenny or testing or unstable. don't mix |
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| 09:33.25 | BTG_Delta | rimmele_mnm, find -regex |
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| 09:34.44 | rimmele_mnm | okay thanks i will try it |
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| 09:39.31 | fafnir0 | wols_: result from the "dpkg -l": ii libc6 2.10.2-9 Embedded GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 09:39.31 | fafnir0 | squeeze/sid |
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| 09:40.41 | JasonWoof | rimmele_mnm: find foldername -type f | grep '[0 |
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| 09:40.55 | JasonWoof | rimmele_mnm: find foldername -type f | grep '[0-9][^/]*$' |
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| 09:42.13 | christianp | hi all |
| 09:43.39 | christianp | i installed python2.6 in a stable AMD64 without --enableshared option in configure. Now i want to buld the python with this option. Have i to delete and reinstall the package? if so, how can i delete the old python version? |
| 09:46.11 | wols_ | !tell fafnir0 about lenny->squeeze |
| 09:46.32 | wols_ | christianp: how did you install python2.6 exactly? |
| 09:46.52 | christianp | wols_, ./configure - make - make install |
| 09:47.13 | wols_ | christianp: then pray that the makefile has a make uninstall. if not: ask #python |
| 09:47.37 | wols_ | you should be able to overwrite your current install in /usr/local tho |
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| 09:56.05 | smhar | I got this error when updating my squeeze: http://paste.debian.net/75020/ |
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| 10:00.21 | wols_ | smhar: where is the file frm? |
| 10:00.24 | wols_ | *from |
| 10:00.37 | smhar | wols_, I do not know |
| 10:00.51 | wols_ | my guess is, a non debian repo, right? |
| 10:01.16 | smhar | can not guess by its name |
| 10:01.33 | smhar | is there a way to tell? |
| 10:01.54 | wols_ | yes, you remember what you installed from where |
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| 10:02.27 | wols_ | asked another way: why do you need the file? |
| 10:02.53 | smhar | oh.. that is difficult, it must have been a long time ago. this is a system which was an etch testing upgraded to lenny testing to squeeze testing... ong history :-) |
| 10:03.53 | wols_ | smhar: why didn't you even google? |
| 10:04.14 | smhar | wols_, I was here already :-) |
| 10:04.27 | smhar | wols_, googling is due |
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| 10:05.30 | jjulian | hi im searching for something like wget where i can define the max level for crawling and which uses threads. does anyone know of such a program from apt-get repos? |
| 10:07.41 | rjcks | smhar: have you got /etc/init.d/libdevmapper1.02 left over from times past? |
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| 10:08.20 | smhar | rjcks, maybe, but is it safe to remove it? |
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| 10:10.01 | rjcks | smhar: dpkg -S /etc/init.d/libdevmapper1.02 - is it part of any package? |
| 10:10.37 | smhar | rjcks, libdevmapper1.02: /etc/init.d/libdevmapper1.02 |
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| 10:11.15 | smhar | rjcks, means no? |
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| 10:12.57 | rjcks | smhar: do you have that package installed? I have libdevmapper1.02.1 |
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| 10:13.51 | smhar | rjcks, it is the only libdevmapper installed on my system, and I do not know to which package needs it |
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| 10:16.36 | wols_ | smhar: why don't you run stable? |
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| 10:17.30 | smhar | wols_, I've happy with testing for years, I do not mind little fiddling here and there where I learn more |
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| 10:18.20 | smhar | wols_, this is my 7years old son's pc, with all the latest and greatest games and programs |
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| 10:18.43 | rjcks | smhar: is /etc/init.d/libdevmapper1.02 an old file ? it might be left over from a previous version of the package (guessing). insserv is kind of picky about old files lying around |
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| 10:19.11 | wols_ | ,versions libdevmapper1.02 |
| 10:19.12 | judd | libdevmapper1.02 -- etch: 2:1.02.08-1 |
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| 10:19.25 | wols_ | info libdevmapper1.02 release=etch |
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| 10:19.48 | smhar | rjcks, I will move /etc/init.d/libdevmapper1.02 some where else and update the system and see |
| 10:19.51 | rjcks | apt-file list libdevmapper1.02 |
| 10:19.52 | wols_ | info libdevmapper1.02 --release etch |
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| 10:20.41 | rjcks | ... shows no /etc/init.d script here ... what about for you wols_ ? |
| 10:20.53 | smhar | oops. 911 .. baby is crying need to go now.. thanks everybody .. for now |
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| 10:23.21 | sepult | hullo |
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| 10:28.15 | wols_ | rjcks: what doesn't? |
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| 10:28.34 | david_887 | how do you set a +GMT to your own unix account? |
| 10:29.55 | rjcks | wols_: sorry "apt-file list libdevmapper1.02" |
| 10:30.25 | wols_ | david_887: http://www.gnu.org/s/libc/manual/html_node/TZ-Variable.html |
| 10:30.36 | wols_ | rjcks: and you can't see it there? are you running etch? |
| 10:31.08 | rjcks | unstable |
| 10:31.28 | wols_ | rjcks: you must be an MCSE. good day |
| 10:31.35 | wols_ | MSCE rather |
| 10:32.29 | maligor | Micro-Certified Software Engineer |
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| 10:39.08 | david_887 | wols_: thanks....!!!!!!!!!! |
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| 10:45.11 | poncha|work | hi. i'm having troubles to get some (http) request from a certain ip to my box. i can see packets exchange using tcpdump on port , but nothing reported by apache |
| 10:46.36 | poncha|work | what i see in tcpdump is - remote sends "win 8192 <mss 1460,nop,nop,sackOK>" , and my box answers "ack 3599205234 win 5840 <mss 1460,nop,nop,sackOK>" |
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| 10:46.51 | poncha|work | but thats it - all the time only packets like this |
| 10:47.00 | poncha|work | by the looks, it's all handshake |
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| 10:47.43 | poncha|work | but why does my box ack with window size different from requested? |
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| 10:51.31 | AmberJ | I'm on debian lenny and when I try to 'apt-get install ttf-mscorefonts-installer' (http://packages.debian.org/lenny/ttf-mscorefonts-installer), it says: "package has no installation candidate" ... Any ideas, why? |
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| 10:52.38 | SPF | AmberJ: did you do apt-get update first? |
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| 10:57.17 | AmberJ | SPF, I just did that in case I forgot to do it before....still no installation candidate for that package |
| 10:57.33 | AmberJ | SPF, Could this be causing problem: http://codepad.org/enXuAApN ? |
| 10:58.06 | SPF | AmberJ: yes, it could be |
| 10:59.04 | SPF | AmberJ: without using backport, it works on my server |
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| 10:59.35 | AmberJ | that error message says to run 'apt-get update' to verify signatures....but when I run apt-get again, it does nothing :( |
| 10:59.36 | dutchfish | AmberJ: add contrib to you source list |
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| 11:00.38 | ania_ | hi there can anyone tell me i am quit new linux user ....like 6 months.....is there a difference in configuration and use between ubuntu and debian????/ i have ubuntu now..... |
| 11:00.55 | AmberJ | ania_, Yes. lots of differences. |
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| 11:01.16 | ania_ | should i stick with ubuntu? it is moe easy right? |
| 11:01.56 | dutchfish | ania_: its easy to install and hard to maintain |
| 11:02.53 | dutchfish | ania_: but i gues its go to get you going when you have more knowledge build up you can switch to debian, or do some reading first |
| 11:03.13 | dutchfish | !debianlove |
| 11:03.13 | dpkg | hmm... debianlove is the more I gain knowledge about Linux, the more I like Debian. Ask me about <why debian> too. For more information, see http://wiki.debian.org/ |
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| 11:03.54 | idimmu | are there any valid reasons to switch from ubunto to debian? |
| 11:03.59 | idimmu | *ubuntu |
| 11:04.07 | maligor | yes, then you can ask questions here |
| 11:04.21 | themill | Debian actually cares about things that (a) work and (b) are Free. |
| 11:04.59 | AmberJ | dutchfish, thanks. adding contrib did the trick :) |
| 11:05.01 | idimmu | a is subjective, but point taken about b |
| 11:05.07 | dutchfish | AmberJ: yw |
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| 11:05.12 | ania_ | well i dont see a point to use system with is based on debian ......simple as that better to use debian |
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| 11:05.57 | ania_ | why sould i use sumplement ....its better to use source |
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| 11:06.37 | idimmu | ania_: that implies all the work the ubuntu people have done is redundant and won't affect you in any way |
| 11:06.42 | kri5 | Hi there |
| 11:06.50 | Worf | as new user it's propably hard to understand, but once you maintained some installations for several years the differences become very clear |
| 11:06.52 | idimmu | so youd be happy with either |
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| 11:08.14 | idimmu | Worf: been maintaining debian servers for almost a decade now |
| 11:08.16 | kri5 | I have a problem with pam and kerberos |
| 11:08.19 | idimmu | so ill have to disagree with that |
| 11:08.24 | kri5 | i can get a kerberos ticket using kinit |
| 11:08.32 | kri5 | but i can't login using pam_krb5 |
| 11:08.35 | kri5 | any ideas? |
| 11:08.57 | dutchfish | kri5: do you have correct time setup and syncing on all boxes? |
| 11:09.34 | kri5 | dutchfish: i use ntpdate on the client to sync with the kdc |
| 11:09.52 | dutchfish | kri5: so the time is the same? |
| 11:09.59 | kri5 | it seems to be yes |
| 11:10.20 | kri5 | hum |
| 11:10.25 | kri5 | wait a minute |
| 11:11.19 | dutchfish | kri5: also think about dif timezones that could bite you too in respect to timekeeping |
| 11:11.35 | kri5 | they was not in the same time zone, but now they are, and still does not work |
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| 11:12.15 | kri5 | should i restart the client that was not in the same timezone and give it a try? |
| 11:12.25 | dutchfish | you could |
| 11:12.44 | kri5 | dutchfish: i'll test it right now and tell you about the result |
| 11:12.49 | dutchfish | ok |
| 11:14.08 | kri5 | still does not work :/ |
| 11:14.29 | dutchfish | kri5: have you got any hints from the logs on client or server? |
| 11:14.57 | kri5 | dutchfish: no, on the kdc, it seems to be fine, i didn't find any erros |
| 11:15.22 | kri5 | on the client, i don't see anything related to the krb login try |
| 11:15.40 | dutchfish | kri5: and what debian versions are you using, i asumed stable/lenny rigth? |
| 11:15.49 | kri5 | stable/lenny yes |
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| 11:17.20 | dutchfish | kri5: hard to tell with this info what went wrong, i use roughly this to set it up all: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/570 |
| 11:18.08 | dutchfish | kri5: and that worked for me |
| 11:18.20 | kri5 | i'll try it right now |
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| 11:18.29 | dutchfish | gl |
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| 11:18.56 | *** topic/#debian by themill -> lenny (5.0.4) /msg dpkg lennyr4 | /msg dpkg etch->lenny | 4.0r9 /msg dpkg etch | NO FLOOD: /msg dpkg pastebin | /msg bots NOT people | offtopic: #debian-offtopic | FAQ: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIRC | channel logs: http://purl.rikers.org/%23debian |
| 11:19.07 | themill | (topicdiff: 4.0r9 released) |
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| 11:21.32 | kri5 | still doesn't work :/ |
| 11:23.37 | dutchfish | kri5: and your kerb password for the user is different then the unix acc? |
| 11:24.25 | kri5 | I use ldap for the accounts |
| 11:24.28 | kri5 | with nss |
| 11:24.44 | dutchfish | kri5: and passwd is still i place? |
| 11:24.51 | dutchfish | kri5: and passwd is still in place?* |
| 11:24.52 | kri5 | passwd? |
| 11:24.56 | kri5 | the file? |
| 11:25.00 | kri5 | /etc/passwd? |
| 11:25.17 | dutchfish | yes, i mea it is still being used? |
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| 11:25.38 | kri5 | yes, for the system accounts |
| 11:25.47 | kri5 | but not for the user i'm trying to log in |
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| 11:25.58 | abrotman | themill!!!!!!!!!! |
| 11:26.04 | dutchfish | kri5: and have the kerb user also have a system account with the same password? (it shouldnt) |
| 11:26.08 | kri5 | user accounts does only exists on ldap |
| 11:26.16 | dutchfish | ok |
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| 11:26.20 | kri5 | dutchfish: no it does not |
| 11:26.22 | kri5 | :) |
| 11:26.28 | dutchfish | scratches head |
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| 11:26.59 | kri5 | too |
| 11:27.02 | dutchfish | kri5: did you follow the way it should be monitored by logs as in the link i gave you? |
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| 11:27.31 | dutchfish | kri5: we need some logs .... |
| 11:27.55 | sll | hello! I'm trying to install debian leny into a disk with swap in th 16th partition, and when I accept to write changes to disk this error appears. |
| 11:27.56 | sll | Error informing the kernel about modifications to partition /dev/sda16 -- Invalid argument. This means Linux won't know about any changes you made to /dev/sda16 until you reboot -- so you shouldn't mount it or use it in any way before rebooting. |
| 11:27.56 | sll | anybody knows any tip? thanks! |
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| 11:29.35 | lindi- | sll: 16 partitions? |
| 11:31.24 | sll | lindi: yes |
| 11:31.49 | sll | I installes squeeze 32 and 63 without pronblems |
| 11:32.09 | intruder | 63 partitions |
| 11:32.20 | intruder | whats the point |
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| 11:33.26 | intruder | anyways, i would ignore that error if i were you, especially if sda16 is your swap |
| 11:33.32 | intruder | you can fix that later |
| 11:33.40 | sll | but lenny 32 and 64 shows the same error, I'm using net install |
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| 11:34.07 | billy | how do i find out the uuid of a device? |
| 11:34.09 | kri5 | dutchfish: http://pastebin.org/285455 |
| 11:34.17 | sll | umm if I ignore then another message appears: The attempt to mount a file system with type swap in SCSI3 (0,0,0), partition #16 (sda) at none failed. |
| 11:34.22 | kri5 | dutchfish: i restarted the kdc and tried to login with pam |
| 11:34.36 | kri5 | dutchfish: it is the kdc log |
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| 11:37.03 | dutchfish | kri5: yes, got that already and that look sfine to me |
| 11:37.38 | dutchfish | kri5: did you check the logs on the client already? |
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| 11:38.04 | tarzeau | abrotman: monday i'm in germany, tuesday in denmark, then norway and sweden :) |
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| 11:41.52 | kri5 | dutchfish: here come the same log but instead of using pam, using kinit |
| 11:41.54 | kri5 | dutchfish: http://pastebin.org/285474 |
| 11:42.16 | kri5 | dutchfish: for the client part, i don't manage to see any log related to krb pam authentification |
| 11:42.36 | kri5 | dutchfish: i'm using heimdal kerberos however |
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| 11:44.50 | dutchfish | kri5: the last log looked fine too, as of heimdal i have no expirience, so i cant help you with that, i did stick to mit kerberos |
| 11:45.33 | kri5 | dutchfish: it seems to be really similar, i will just give a new try, i'll added logging related stuff in /etc/krb5.conf on the client |
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| 11:45.58 | dutchfish | kri5: ok |
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| 11:46.39 | kri5 | dutchfish: hum |
| 11:46.44 | kri5 | i have new infos :D |
| 11:46.48 | dutchfish | oh? |
| 11:47.06 | kri5 | i don't know if it's related to the fact i added debug option to pam_krb5 config lines |
| 11:47.14 | kri5 | or logging on krb5.conf |
| 11:47.18 | kri5 | but doesn't matter |
| 11:47.29 | kri5 | the error is |
| 11:47.38 | kri5 | failed authorization check |
| 11:47.51 | dutchfish | on the krb server, right? |
| 11:48.03 | kri5 | on the client |
| 11:48.10 | kri5 | it's pam that tell me that |
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| 11:48.39 | dutchfish | then pam prolly looks at the local unix account for the same user ... |
| 11:48.42 | kri5 | i'll try to make a clean log of that |
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| 11:49.03 | dutchfish | ok |
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| 11:49.24 | fruitwerks | how do I figure out what compile options were used for a package installed with apt? |
| 11:49.41 | tarzeau | fruitwerks: look at the source package or build log? |
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| 11:49.48 | tarzeau | fruitwerks: buildd.debian.org |
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| 11:51.32 | fruitwerks | :D |
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| 11:51.59 | JohnNew | how can i select all lines in a log file (for example, access.log) that NOT start with 192.168.1.1 ? |
| 11:52.06 | kri5 | dutchfish: http://pastebin.org/285498 |
| 11:52.51 | david_887 | how do you ask wget to follow redirect? |
| 11:52.53 | david_887 | e.g. download.php?name=.... and save the file as the specified fielname |
| 11:53.34 | dutchfish | kri5: somehow pam fetch wrong uid euid, thats your problem |
| 11:53.59 | dutchfish | kri5: so we can cut it down to the clients pam backend |
| 11:54.10 | kri5 | dutchfish: little question, do i need a keytab on the client? |
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| 11:55.01 | fruitwerks | err - actually I'm looking for the ./configure foo lines |
| 11:55.05 | dutchfish | kri5: i really dont know, again i am not comfortable with heimdal |
| 11:55.19 | Led_Zeppelin | is there a way to inherit user permissions inside a subdirectory? |
| 11:55.24 | themill | fruitwerks: what package? |
| 11:55.28 | jelly | JohnNew: grep -v '^192\.168\.1\.1' access.log |
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| 11:55.31 | kri5 | ok, but with mit, do you need a keytab on kdc and clients? |
| 11:56.23 | JohnNew | jelly: and from that result, select only the unique ips? |
| 11:56.23 | fruitwerks | libgdal 1.5.0 amd64 |
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| 11:56.36 | dutchfish | kri5: http://web.mit.edu/kerberos/krb5-1.5/krb5-1.5.4/doc/krb5-install/The-Keytab-File.html |
| 11:56.48 | dutchfish | kri5: rem thats for mit |
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| 11:57.01 | nkuttler | hrm. how do i find files with non-ascii filenames? any file that's not ascii |
| 11:57.06 | kaushal | hi |
| 11:57.13 | squisher | hey folks, I just noticed that my cpu usage constantly around 40% while playing an mp3 with audacious. I know it didn't use to be so cpu hungry before - any ideas? |
| 11:57.18 | kaushal | is 5.0.4 is the stable Debian Lenny release ? |
| 11:57.30 | jelly | JohnNew: use cut or awk to display only the IP, then use sort and uniq, or sort -u. Alternately, use a language like awk or perl to make note of each IP, then display them after all the lines of input are consumed |
| 11:57.33 | squisher | nkuttler, are you using utf8? |
| 11:57.44 | jelly | kaushal: yes |
| 11:57.46 | fruitwerks | themill - the uh 1.5.1-1 (apr 6 build) |
| 11:57.53 | themill | fruitwerks: the configure lines are listed in the buildd logs |
| 11:58.03 | kaushal | jelly: when is squeeze going to be released ? |
| 11:58.13 | jelly | dkpg, tell kaushal about wwsr |
| 11:58.48 | fruitwerks | oh there it is.. so small lol |
| 11:59.27 | kaushal | jelly: i did not get any info |
| 11:59.32 | jelly | hm. |
| 11:59.35 | jelly | !wwsr |
| 11:59.35 | dpkg | Squeeze will release <WIR>, <SIYH>. No release schedule is done yet. Ask me about <squeeze bet>. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2010/05/msg00000.html |
| 11:59.40 | jelly | kaushal: ^^ |
| 11:59.43 | themill | fruitwerks: browsers have search facilities for a reason... "search for text when I start typing" ftw. |
| 11:59.54 | nkuttler | squisher: no idea, i didn't put the files there |
| 12:00.49 | squisher | nkuttler, look at your locale. Normally there should be no difference when searching for non-ascii file names |
| 12:01.06 | kaushal | jelly: Thanks |
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| 12:04.29 | kri5 | dutchfish: do you know anything about nss ldap? |
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| 12:06.46 | dutchfish | kri5: only the basics, i always find my way through the manuals, it is mostly for me fire and forget |
| 12:07.22 | dutchfish | kri5: but maybe there are others inside that could help along, just give it a shot |
| 12:08.42 | dutchfish | kri5: setting up a samba-kerberos-ldap infra is not my daily work |
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| 12:09.19 | abrotman | tarzeau: that won't help me! |
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| 12:11.52 | kri5 | dutchfish: yeah i know, it is always a oneshot work :) |
| 12:12.06 | dutchfish | kri5: ldap should be pretty straightforward ones you have all your schemes in place, the nss part is a bit hairy |
| 12:12.34 | kri5 | dutchfish: maybe it is a config problem with nss-ldap, but i don't understand how because with getent passwd i can see the users |
| 12:12.41 | dutchfish | nods |
| 12:13.19 | dutchfish | kri5: i would not be surprised if pam is barking along to the quircks of heimdal |
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| 12:14.00 | kri5 | :/ |
| 12:14.02 | dutchfish | kri5: maybe there is a better channel for this on the net prolly ldap related i gues |
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| 12:14.47 | dutchfish | kri5: we savely can assume now that the kerberos part (at leats from the servers view) is working properly |
| 12:14.59 | kri5 | dutchfish: yes, it seems to |
| 12:16.22 | kri5 | Any one know how i should test a nss configuration? |
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| 12:20.05 | dutchfish | kri5: i found some doc about it, maybe you can check this out? http://www.debian-administration.org/article/OpenLDAP_installation_on_Debian#NSS_configuration |
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| 12:21.17 | kri5 | dutchfish: well if i beleive what i read, nss seems to work well :/ |
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| 12:24.46 | dutchfish | kri5: and your /etc/pam.d/common* files are ok regarding auth? |
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| 12:42.23 | ABIIY | hello |
| 12:42.41 | ABIIY | i added that in in crontab: 40 15 * * * firefox , it doesn't executed at 3:40 |
| 12:42.48 | ABIIY | i don't know why ? |
| 12:42.59 | wols_ | did you get a mail? |
| 12:43.22 | ABIIY | wols_ nope |
| 12:43.44 | wols_ | check your logs then? |
| 12:43.47 | themill | You won't have DISPLAY set so firefox isn't going to do anything |
| 12:44.03 | wols_ | themill: but cron should have at least sent a mial |
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| 12:45.04 | tarzeau | ABIIY: tried with chromium-browser yet? |
| 12:46.05 | ABIIY | tarzeau, i'm using google-chrome for linux version |
| 12:46.12 | djura-san | o/ |
| 12:46.20 | themill | wols_: true. The corollary is, however, that if DISPLAY is set and firefox is already running, then it won't actually start a new browser anyway. |
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| 12:47.04 | ABIIY | wols_, will can i try it with command like : ls ? |
| 12:47.06 | careta | hey people |
| 12:47.13 | ABIIY | will be better wols_ |
| 12:47.13 | ABIIY | ? |
| 12:47.18 | wols_ | !wayttd ABIIY |
| 12:47.18 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, ABIIY? |
| 12:47.41 | ABIIY | wols_, i'm trying to learn cron |
| 12:47.46 | ABIIY | and it's a test |
| 12:47.47 | careta | i have a custom initscript that i want to run at the end of everything (99). however when the initscripts package is updated it resets the priority back to 1. is there a way to change it for good? |
| 12:48.16 | tarzeau | careta: mv can rename files? |
| 12:48.26 | fafnir0 | sure |
| 12:48.33 | jelly | tarzeau: "for good" |
| 12:48.42 | tarzeau | jelly: i do it too, it's good! |
| 12:48.49 | jelly | careta: which debian release are you using? |
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| 12:48.55 | careta | jelly, squeeze |
| 12:48.58 | tarzeau | jelly: mv /etc/rc2.d/S99install /etc/rc2.d/s99install |
| 12:49.04 | themill | dpkg: tell careta about missing lsb tags |
| 12:49.16 | kri5 | dutchfish: i'm trying to use ignore_k5login option with pam |
| 12:49.25 | jelly | tarzeau: quoth the raven, nevermore |
| 12:49.36 | tarzeau | !qotd raven |
| 12:49.46 | careta | themill, I know about dependencies but there is no way to force a 99 level on the LSB header? |
| 12:49.50 | tarzeau | jelly: what? |
| 12:50.06 | Titosemi | hey guys, i need a little bit help... my / is full, can anyone help my to find or to figure it out why??? here is a output of /etc/fstab, df -h & ls -l / |more --> http://pastie.org/979773 |
| 12:50.12 | careta | oh nevermind i got it |
| 12:50.15 | careta | i just use $all |
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| 12:50.23 | themill | careta: you shouldn't need to force it to be 99 anyway |
| 12:50.47 | ABIIY | wols_, please help , it doesn't work , i tried with full path of the commands , but that doesn't work , i tried with "ls command too" |
| 12:50.49 | careta | thanks, $all should do it |
| 12:50.55 | squisher | Titosemi, usually it's worth it to look at /var/log and see how big the files there are |
| 12:51.04 | squisher | Titosemi, also, apt-get autoclean might help |
| 12:51.06 | tarzeau | Titosemi: have fun running du -sh on your dirs in / |
| 12:51.09 | SPF | what is the fastest way to make thumbnails? I'm currently using imagemagick, convert -resize (5 seconds) -sample (2 seconds). Is it possible to go even faster? |
| 12:51.09 | themill | ABIIY: is cron actually running? |
| 12:51.32 | tarzeau | SPF: there's a faster imagemagick implementation |
| 12:51.48 | ABIIY | themill yeah , i checked it ps aux | grep cron |
| 12:52.00 | tarzeau | SPF: phatch also can do stuff, but what i'm looking for i didn't find yet |
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| 12:52.11 | ABIIY | i get 3 processes, root, user, command |
| 12:52.31 | ABIIY | themill, wait no |
| 12:52.42 | tarzeau | SPF: exactimage |
| 12:52.42 | SPF | tarzeau: sounds interesting, will check it out, thx |
| 12:52.51 | ABIIY | it's does't work for the user , it just man crontab |
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| 12:53.06 | ABIIY | themil how can i start cron |
| 12:53.06 | ABIIY | ? |
| 12:53.12 | ABIIY | sor my current user |
| 12:53.13 | ABIIY | ? |
| 12:53.17 | tarzeau | SPF: just curious, how many photos do you process? |
| 12:53.27 | tarzeau | SPF: and do you build some web presentation thing for images? |
| 12:53.33 | kri5 | dutchfish: i don't have the failed authorization error anymore |
| 12:53.39 | tarzeau | SPF: http://www.exactcode.de/site/open_source/exactimage/ they claim to be a lot faster |
| 12:53.45 | ABIIY | themill, i thought cron starts automatically |
| 12:53.49 | kri5 | dutchfish: i have pam_sm_authenticate: exit (success) in the log |
| 12:53.56 | kri5 | but still can't log in :/ |
| 12:54.22 | SPF | tarzeau: I use it to generate thumbnails for a website |
| 12:54.57 | tarzeau | SPF: i see. can i see that website? |
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| 12:56.21 | Titosemi | hey guys, must be something more |
| 12:56.40 | Titosemi | i free over 30 Mb and its full again! |
| 12:56.43 | Titosemi | http://pastie.org/979773 |
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| 12:57.06 | tarzeau | Titosemi: free 300 mb |
| 12:57.15 | Titosemi | but how? |
| 12:57.25 | ||cw | 30mb is nothing |
| 12:57.42 | SPF | tarzeau: I'll PM you a link |
| 12:58.02 | themill | 30 millibits is pretty small on a 4.6 GB drive. Certainly less than 1% in that df -h display. |
| 12:58.10 | ||cw | :P |
| 12:58.30 | ||cw | Titosemi: first, figure out what's filling it |
| 12:58.46 | Titosemi | that´s what i´m trying, but i´m lost |
| 12:58.50 | Titosemi | :( |
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| 12:59.05 | Bushmills | invoke BOFH for more disk space |
| 12:59.07 | squisher | Titosemi, autoclean did not help? |
| 12:59.11 | ||cw | and freeing up space in your /var partition isn't going to help the root partition |
| 12:59.14 | squisher | usually that works pretty well as a short term fix |
| 12:59.18 | squisher | ah |
| 12:59.20 | squisher | dummy me |
| 12:59.22 | Titosemi | it cleans, but it´s again full |
| 12:59.29 | tdn | I have just set up an apt-proxy service to use in my network with lots of debian servers. I get this error: Err http://debian.sikkerhed.org lenny/updates Release.gpg Bad header line ; Err http://debian.sikkerhed.org lenny/updates/main Translation-en_DK Bad header line ; when trying to run apt-get update. How do I fix this? |
| 12:59.40 | squisher | Titosemi, you're probably working in the root-reserved space |
| 12:59.50 | ||cw | Titosemi: it's not "again", it's the wrong place |
| 13:00.10 | Titosemi | i´m also the root |
| 13:00.14 | Titosemi | how could i fix that? |
| 13:00.36 | ||cw | Titosemi: try this: du -hsx /* |
| 13:00.59 | ||cw | that should give you a hint where to look |
| 13:02.05 | Titosemi | http://pastie.org/979773 |
| 13:02.17 | ||cw | hm, -x doens't seem to be doing what it says |
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| 13:03.18 | Titosemi | i thing that all the problem came when i mounted that hfsplus |
| 13:03.23 | ||cw | er, or maybe the * trowing it off |
| 13:03.35 | Titosemi | or maybe not.. |
| 13:03.38 | tdn | apt-proxy.log is here: http://thomasdamgaard.dk/paste/P1667.html |
| 13:03.46 | ||cw | Titosemi: that woulnd't really make sense |
| 13:04.21 | Titosemi | sudo du -hsx / |
| 13:04.21 | Titosemi | 110M/ |
| 13:04.39 | tdn | There are python backtraces in the log. |
| 13:05.08 | ||cw | Titosemi: it's possible that you have files in paths that are now mounted on a different partition |
| 13:05.37 | ||cw | Titosemi: I'd suggest booting a livecd and only mount sda7 and run the du again |
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| 13:05.54 | Titosemi | ufff |
| 13:06.09 | ||cw | your /home /usb /var /tmp should then be empty |
| 13:06.41 | Titosemi | and if that it the problem, how would i solve that? |
| 13:06.49 | ||cw | delete the files |
| 13:07.04 | Titosemi | but which? |
| 13:07.24 | Titosemi | i cant delete all the root |
| 13:07.35 | ||cw | Titosemi: here's a theory: you had some error that made /var fail to mount, then the syslog was being spammed with errors instead of filling the sda6, it filled var on sda7 |
| 13:07.51 | ||cw | you can delete anything for which you have a separate partition for |
| 13:07.53 | Titosemi | and the last du said that it just have 110mb used |
| 13:08.20 | ||cw | yes but it can't see what's under the /var mount point because another partition is mounted there |
| 13:08.28 | ||cw | there can still be files under it though |
| 13:08.36 | ironm | Hi guys :) - debian sqeeze / apache2 (default-ssl) http://paste.debian.net/75044/ doesn't work .. NO errors in error.log .. is there a known issue? - thank you in advance for any hints! |
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| 13:09.20 | ||cw | ironm: define "doesn't work" |
| 13:09.30 | Titosemi | here is the oupput of mount http://pastie.org/979773 |
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| 13:10.01 | ironm | ||cw: there is NO the standard text like for "default" |
| 13:10.04 | ||cw | Titosemi: I've seen it, and files under a mount point is the only reasonable explanation i have |
| 13:10.22 | themill | ironm: how are you testing this? Is the site actually enabled? |
| 13:10.29 | ironm | ||cw: I checked it using ubuntu 10.04 .. it was ok |
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| 13:10.37 | ironm | yes themill .. |
| 13:10.55 | ||cw | ironm: well, what's default-ssl put for the path? |
| 13:11.09 | Titosemi | ||cw: i have already edit the pastie with the output of mount, before it wanst there |
| 13:11.21 | Titosemi | its at the bottom |
| 13:11.26 | ironm | themill: http://paste.debian.net/75045/ |
| 13:11.42 | Titosemi | and the files are mounted correctly |
| 13:11.44 | ||cw | Titosemi: and it's consistent with the rest. |
| 13:11.47 | Titosemi | i think |
| 13:11.51 | ironm | ||cw: /var/www |
| 13:12.09 | ironm | ||cw: .. if I can follow your question ;-) |
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| 13:12.56 | ironm | ||cw & themill : the same links work for ubuntu 10.04 |
| 13:13.18 | ||cw | Titosemi: there is one other possibility... a process can create a file, then with the inode locked it can delete the file and filesystem level tools like ls and du won't be able to see it but it'll still exist and use up space on the disk where df can see. when the process closes the inode, the space will be freed |
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| 13:13.34 | ||cw | Titosemi: it's pretty rare for programs to do this for big files though |
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| 13:14.41 | ||cw | ironm: so do you get a 404 or dir listing or permission denied or soemthing? |
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| 13:15.00 | ||cw | ironm: basically, you don't get what you expect, but what DO you get |
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| 13:15.09 | ironm | the diff: http://paste.debian.net/75047/ | ||cw & themill |
| 13:15.40 | jordanm | keith4: ping |
| 13:15.49 | Titosemi | :( |
| 13:16.04 | Titosemi | so no solution for my problem? |
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| 13:16.20 | ironm | ||cw: I hope you are comfortable with a german error message ;-) http://paste.debian.net/75048/ |
| 13:16.21 | Titosemi | this is the 4th time that it happends |
| 13:16.32 | jordanm | !tell ironm about localized errors |
| 13:16.32 | Benwa | hi, i made a few screenshots during my graphic debian installation. Where are they now? |
| 13:16.32 | Titosemi | i dont really want fo install all again |
| 13:16.33 | Titosemi | :( |
| 13:16.40 | themill | ironm: have you followed the instructions in /usr/share/doc/apache2/README.Debian.gz |
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| 13:17.18 | jordanm | Benwa: made screenshots with what? I had never heard the graphical installer coming with a screenshot utility |
| 13:17.18 | ironm | themill: NO .. |
| 13:17.38 | Benwa | jordanm> well it is |
| 13:17.59 | keith4 | jordanm: pong |
| 13:17.59 | jordanm | Benwa: which version of debian? |
| 13:18.04 | ironm | thank you jordanm ... how can I set the language using the browser from another notebook? |
| 13:18.20 | Benwa | jordanm> 5.04 |
| 13:18.25 | Benwa | jordanm> http://i.cbsi.com.au/story_media/339294981/debian-gnulinux-50-lenny-screenshots_2.jpg |
| 13:18.41 | jordanm | ironm: I didn't know that it was an error returned by a browser. not sure |
| 13:18.44 | ironm | themill: thank you very much .. I will read your hint /usr/share/doc/apache2/README.Debian.gz |
| 13:19.08 | ironm | jordanm: yes .. it was the error message in the window of firefox |
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| 13:19.10 | themill | ironm: if you follow the instructions it will work just fine (I just tested it out myself) |
| 13:20.03 | ironm | themill: :-) ... I will check it .. I was wondering a bit because it is working as expected using ubuntu 10.04 server |
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| 13:20.38 | Benwa | nobody knows? |
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| 13:22.42 | themill | Benwa: are they in /var/log/installer? (no idea.. I've never tried but that's where the installer normally drops things) |
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| 13:23.35 | Benwa | themill> yes!! thanks a lot! |
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| 13:23.40 | cga | hi all, can you advice me a good alternative to Squid please? |
| 13:23.43 | themill | \o/ |
| 13:23.57 | jordanm | Benwa: I just popped the installer in a VM. it tells you where its saved when you takes the SS: /var/log/<name of menu> |
| 13:24.13 | jordanm | however, I don't know how this works since /var/log would be in RAM atm... |
| 13:24.32 | Benwa | jordanm> i've found them : /var/log/installer |
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| 13:26.13 | ironm | themill: is it enough the enable the ssl like: http://paste.debian.net/75049/ (using the standard certificates just for test) .. OR do I need some more config changes? |
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| 13:26.56 | themill | ironm: you need to make the snake-oil cert too. /msg dpkg make-ssl-cert |
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| 13:27.51 | ironm | themill: hmm .. there were already such certificates .. maybe I need new ? |
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| 13:29.29 | jeeger | Greetings! I have a problem with the 1.96 version of festival which is in lenny. I want to install the etch version (1.4.3-17.2). I tried to do that using snapshots.debian.org, but I can't manage to install the old festival. Merely downloading the .deb and installing it led to festival not running due to some binary mismatches (ffeature (prefix) duplicate). What would be the cleanest way to install an older festival version? |
| 13:30.27 | themill | ironm: the ssl-cert package can create the snake-oil certificate for you in postinst which is presumably what you've already done |
| 13:30.45 | ironm | themill: thank you very much! :-) ... I was missing: "a2enmod ssl" ... I created the link to default-ssl myself |
| 13:31.16 | ironm | themill: somehow sqeeze and ubuntu 10.04 differs a bit .. ;-) |
| 13:31.23 | ||cw | well yeah |
| 13:31.34 | ||cw | did you make the link for the ssl module too? |
| 13:31.44 | ||cw | just defining a site isn't enough |
| 13:31.47 | ironm | ||cw: no .. |
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| 13:32.25 | ironm | ||cw: I was expecting the link in place .. and forgot it |
| 13:32.41 | ironm | ||cw: thanks a lot :) |
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| 13:33.13 | cire | What is the normal way of disabling init scripts? Removing /etc/init.d/foo does the job, but I am not sure whether this is the debian way... |
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| 13:33.19 | cire | sorry |
| 13:33.27 | jeeger | cire: update-rc.d <name> remove |
| 13:33.38 | jeeger | might need --force though |
| 13:33.41 | cire | I meant, removing the symlink from rcFOO.S |
| 13:33.53 | cire | jeeger: thANK YOU |
| 13:33.57 | cire | I will try that |
| 13:35.27 | jordanm | its recommended you use something better than update-rc.d (which according to manpage is not nescessarily intended for end users). there is sysv-rc-conf and rcconf which are much better interfaces |
| 13:35.31 | cire | jeeger: worked, I had to use update-rc.d-insserv, but it worked :) |
| 13:35.57 | jeeger | jordanm: Ah, thanks. Didn't know about that |
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| 13:36.21 | cire | jordanm: I will have a look at those commands. Thanks. |
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| 13:36.24 | jordanm | also, as I understand, calling "removed" on a service will not prevent it from being enabled again when the package is upgraded. something like this is suggested after removed: update-rc.d foobar stop 20 2 3 4 5 . |
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| 13:36.42 | jordanm | s/removed/remove/ |
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| 13:41.09 | omcfadde | hi, I have a question regarding network interface configuration. I have an ethernet interface and a usb0 ethernet interface |
| 13:41.22 | omcfadde | however every time usb0 comes up, it seems to bring down eth0 |
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| 13:41.58 | omcfadde | well... I guess the interface is still up, but the default route is going to usb0 (so I loose connectivity to the internet) |
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| 13:42.23 | jordanm | omcfadde: that will happen if you call DHCP on the interface |
| 13:43.14 | omcfadde | jordanm: one moment, I'll pastebin my config. maybe you could spot something I'm missing :) |
| 13:43.16 | jordanm | omcfadde: if you assign it statically, or configure dhclient not to pull a gateway and define it manually, you should be good |
| 13:43.28 | omcfadde | usb0 is static |
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| 13:43.38 | omcfadde | eth0 is dhcp |
| 13:44.00 | omcfadde | but maybe I need to tell dhclient to not take a gateway from usb0? how would I do that? |
| 13:45.15 | jordanm | omcfadde: using a "lease" block in dhclient.conf. there is an example in the file |
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| 13:46.05 | omcfadde | jordanm: ok, I'll check that now. here is my interfaces config btw: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=DcHAiPGZ |
| 13:46.26 | omcfadde | (I manually ifup/down usb0) |
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| 13:47.23 | jordanm | omcfadde: that would not remove the default route... are you trying to put both of these devices on the same network? |
| 13:47.59 | omcfadde | jordanm: no. usb0 is a local interface. eth0 is the company intranet |
| 13:48.46 | omcfadde | the problem is (this appeared after an upgrade some time ago) that when I do "ifup usb0" then all my connections on eth0 drop out |
| 13:48.53 | newb0 | Hello! I have exim at a Debian machine. I simple need my system messages go to my company email. See, my machine is local, I just want exim send mail to my oficial mailbox (I will test PHP scripts here too, I want test them). |
| 13:48.54 | omcfadde | until I ifup eth0 and reconnect them |
| 13:49.03 | jordanm | omcfadde: what release are you running? |
| 13:49.04 | omcfadde | after that, I can access both interfaces fine. |
| 13:49.10 | newb0 | Yesterday somebody told me to execute sudo dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config , I've done it and added mail.myserver.com:my@sendermail.com:password at /etc/exim4/passwd.client. But EXIM do not send emails, my machine nas logs like "Verification failed for <root@machineName>" |
| 13:49.18 | newb0 | How can I proceed to have this emails at my e-mail account? I want test PHP files here too, and PHP uses mail program |
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| 13:49.34 | omcfadde | jordanm: squeeze/sid (from /etc/debian_version) |
| 13:50.09 | jordanm | omcfadde: I figured since "after an upgrade..." |
| 13:50.17 | jordanm | !tell omcfadde about moving target |
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| 13:50.32 | jordanm | omcfadde: don't run testing/unstable on boxes you expect to work |
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| 13:51.02 | omcfadde | jordanm: ok, fair enough, but this is working fine except for this single issue. |
| 13:51.10 | omcfadde | I figured it might be an updated configuration option or such |
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| 13:51.19 | omcfadde | which is why I asked here |
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| 13:52.28 | jordanm | omcfadde: there are always changes when moving into a new release. for example, in squeeze invoke-rc.d networking restart no longer restarts interfaces |
| 13:53.29 | jordanm | omcfadde: you will be in the middle of a transition to default python 2.6 on that box as well |
| 13:55.01 | ||cw | in the network/interfaces file if I want to enabled jumbo frames and I'm using bridges, do i put the MTU on the bridge device where I have an IP, or do I put it on the eth# or both? |
| 13:55.25 | omcfadde | yeah, you're right. I just thought that someone may know of some new option which would avoid usb0 stopping traffic to eth0 |
| 13:55.40 | omcfadde | I'm not quite sure exactly how this happens though |
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| 13:56.15 | ||cw | omcfadde: is the connection dropping or is it changing the default route so it doens't know where to go? |
| 13:56.28 | jordanm | omcfadde: sounds like a bug to me... lets see: ifconfig; netstat -rn; ifup usb0; ifconfig; netstat -rn; as a demo of the issue |
| 13:56.54 | ||cw | omcfadde: and what IP subnet is the eth0 using? |
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| 13:57.18 | omcfadde | ||cw: I believe it's changing the default route, but let me check it now (connection will probably drop after this) |
| 13:57.26 | omcfadde | ||cw: subnet is 255.255.254.0 |
| 13:57.28 | omcfadde | for eth0 |
| 13:57.51 | omcfadde | 255.255.255.0 for usb0 |
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| 13:58.18 | omcfadde | one second, trying jordanm's commands |
| 13:58.37 | ||cw | omcfadde: um, the net, not the mask |
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| 13:58.57 | ||cw | as in, it is different that the 192.168.x right? |
| 13:59.04 | ||cw | just making sure... |
| 13:59.31 | omcfadde | ||cw: right. 172.21.x |
| 13:59.51 | ||cw | wow, people actually use 172? |
| 13:59.55 | jordanm | your still a digit off on having the subnet... if the mask is /24 or /23 |
| 14:00.12 | jordanm | you're |
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| 14:00.39 | omcfadde | sorry, 172.21.40.x |
| 14:00.51 | omcfadde | ||cw: I didn't setup the network :p |
| 14:01.37 | jordanm | nice, ifupdown has 200 outstanding bugs... |
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| 14:03.22 | ||cw | omcfadde: not a problem, just don't see that one used much |
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| 14:06.37 | omcfadde | so here's the routing table in the good state, and after ifdown/ifup usb0 (which messes up the routes): http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=jamw1dVC (I obfuscated some info just because I'm not sure what company policy is on showing internal server names) |
| 14:07.07 | omcfadde | oh, it's 192.168.2.X |
| 14:08.37 | omcfadde | so it seems that the gateway for both interfaces gets set to 0.0.0.0, then there are two entries for that address |
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| 14:09.05 | omcfadde | one going to usb0, and one going to the correct gateway for the intranet |
| 14:09.27 | omcfadde | I guess it just picks the first one (usb0) so none of my packets go via the correct gateway |
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| 14:10.11 | omcfadde | ||cw: does that help? |
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| 14:11.39 | Bop | how to check all read / writes from a executable ? |
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| 14:12.28 | ||cw | route -n will not show names... try adding another default route for eth0 with a metric of 100 |
| 14:12.32 | SlayerXP | Bop: strace |
| 14:12.35 | ||cw | or, hm... |
| 14:12.38 | Bop | hmm |
| 14:12.42 | ||cw | I may have that backwards |
| 14:13.06 | ||cw | basing this on what I've see shorewall multi-isp config do to the routiung table |
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| 14:14.30 | ||cw | I dont' have that config setup anymore though |
| 14:16.12 | omcfadde | I'm trying: iface eth1 inet dhcp |
| 14:16.12 | omcfadde | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:16.30 | omcfadde | er, eth0 |
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| 14:16.42 | omcfadde | but that doesn't seem to have any effect after ifdown/up |
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| 14:17.12 | omcfadde | route still shows metric as 0 |
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| 14:19.56 | ||cw | yeah, shorewall was adding a 2nd route |
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| 14:20.11 | ||cw | exactly the same but with a different metric |
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| 14:21.00 | Aaronds | Hey, I'm currently running debian server and I'd like to know how to create a ftp or ssh account with restrictions (such as only being able to access one file dir on the server and not being able to delete files). Can anyone help? (links or advice much appreciated) |
| 14:21.38 | oliver_ | ||cw: ah! a higher metric on usb0 seems to have solved it :) |
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| 14:21.55 | xoen | hi all |
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| 14:22.10 | oliver_ | jordanm, ||cw: thank you very much for your help :) |
| 14:22.56 | xoen | I receive this error message when I try to install mysql-server in ubuntu 9.10 : "debconf: DbDriver "config": could not open /var/cache/debconf/config.dat" |
| 14:23.03 | jordanm | Aaronds: AFAIK you need to chroot your users to limit them that much |
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| 14:23.28 | jordanm | Aaronds: using a sticky bit you can prevent deletion |
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| 14:24.10 | Aaronds | jordanm: Is it possible to create a user that can use ftp but not ssh? |
| 14:24.35 | rvsjoen | give him a false shell |
| 14:24.44 | Aaronds | A false shell? |
| 14:24.57 | jordanm | Aaronds: what rvsjoen said, or use vsftpd which allows for "virtual" users |
| 14:25.08 | jordanm | Aaronds: e.g. /bin/false or /sbin/nologin |
| 14:25.29 | rvsjoen | aaronds: change his shell to /bin/false in passwd directly, during creating, or using usermod or something like that |
| 14:25.35 | rvsjoen | *creation |
| 14:25.44 | Aaronds | Ok thanks very much :-) |
| 14:26.08 | jordanm | if you use /sbin/nologin instread of /bin/false, it was actually tell the user they are not allowed to login instead of just killing the connection |
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| 14:26.44 | aguitel | how enable and use fingerprint readers in my hp pavillion dv4-1212 laptop ? |
| 14:26.56 | rvsjoen | and as jordanm says, you can also have virtual users, proftpd also does this |
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| 14:29.26 | jordanm | rvsjoen: ah, was not aware proftpd had that support |
| 14:32.00 | jordanm | aguitel: http://wiki.debian.org/FingerForce |
| 14:32.12 | Aaronds | rvsjoen, so how do I actually change the shell to /bin/false or /bin/nologin? Bit of a newbie here >_> |
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| 14:34.02 | keith4 | Aaronds: edit /etc/passwd |
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| 14:35.59 | jordanm | Aaronds: use usermod |
| 14:36.24 | jordanm | keith4: did you have any luck with those drivers from snapshots? |
| 14:36.26 | keith4 | Aaronds: listen to jordanm. his suggestion is better |
| 14:36.51 | keith4 | jordanm: no. i couldn't install lib-ia32, or wahtever it was, from squeeze without a libc upgrade |
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| 14:37.49 | tdn | I am on busybox on debian installer. Is there any way to make it beep from the shell? |
| 14:38.09 | keith4 | tdn: ctrl-g |
| 14:38.12 | jordanm | keith4: alright, I will be looking into that this weekend |
| 14:38.12 | Aaronds | jordanm: there doesn't appear to be that much of use under the usermod options... Is there a specific option to allow ftp access only? |
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| 14:38.40 | keith4 | Aaronds: you might consider an ftpd that doesn't use system accounts |
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| 14:39.15 | jordanm | keith4: which was already mentioned... |
| 14:39.17 | Aaronds | Actually yeah keith4, I think that'd be more suitable. |
| 14:39.26 | Aaronds | Yeah I know sorry, I'll go and use one of those. |
| 14:39.28 | Pnux | stupid yet easy to answer question.. is sdx a SATA drive? |
| 14:39.30 | Aaronds | :P |
| 14:40.16 | Pnux | nevermind |
| 14:40.19 | tdn | keith4, ok, but I would like to do it from a script. |
| 14:40.33 | tdn | keith4, like sleep 10 ; beep |
| 14:40.44 | jordanm | Pnux: could be pata, sata, or scsci |
| 14:40.55 | Pnux | jordanm: oh i see, thanks |
| 14:41.12 | ||cw | Pnux: sdx denotes a disk in the linux scsi subsystem, which sata and pata transports can also use |
| 14:41.22 | wols_ | jordanm: could be none of the above |
| 14:41.38 | ||cw | s/transports/drivers/ |
| 14:41.40 | jordanm | wols_: what is left? usb? |
| 14:41.51 | ||cw | us as well |
| 14:41.51 | jordanm | Pnux: or USB |
| 14:41.53 | ||cw | usb |
| 14:41.58 | ||cw | or anything really |
| 14:42.07 | wols_ | jordanm: right now, sda can be pretty much any blockdevice I guess |
| 14:42.21 | ||cw | right, the driver just has to implement the interface |
| 14:42.36 | keith4 | tdn: echo -e "\07" |
| 14:42.45 | ||cw | it can also be a raid card, or an iscsi LUN |
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| 14:43.05 | ||cw | which could even be a file on the other end |
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| 14:43.49 | ||cw | isn't the beep module blacklisted by default these days? |
| 14:44.06 | keith4 | ||cw: no? |
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| 14:45.26 | ||cw | ah, that's ubunut that does that |
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| 14:45.38 | Pnux | does anybody know where i can read what /var, /usr, /etc, and all of those directories are for? i know some of them, but not all.. and i really cant think of how to ask google.. |
| 14:45.46 | wols_ | !lsb |
| 14:45.46 | dpkg | rumour has it, lsb is The Linux Standard Base, a set of guidelines which all linux distributions should follow to ensure compatability between them. More information can be found at http://www.linuxbase.org/ or very incomplete |
| 14:45.53 | wols_ | Pnux: there |
| 14:45.57 | themill | !fhs |
| 14:45.57 | dpkg | Debian follows the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard. The filesystem is categorized by purpose, not application. This allows, for example, the easy and efficient deployment of a read-only /usr area across a number of thin clients. See http://www.pathname.com/fhs/ or install the 'debian-policy' package (/usr/share/doc/debian-policy/fhs/*), or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard |
| 14:46.37 | Pnux | wols_, themill: thanks |
| 14:47.53 | jordanm | ||cw: no, the snd-pcspkr module is blacklisted by default not pcspkr itself |
| 14:48.11 | jordanm | just read the bug report on that yesterday |
| 14:48.34 | ||cw | grep pcs /etc/modprobe.d/* doens't show it blacklisted |
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| 14:50.42 | ||cw | oh you mean in ubuntu |
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| 14:51.55 | lindi- | chapter 4.2 in http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ch-common-tasks.html works mostly but "akeroot make -f debian/rules.gen binary-arch_i386_none_686 |
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| 14:52.25 | lindi- | " generates linux-headers-2.6.32-3-686_2.6.32-9_i386.deb that needs linux-headers-2.6.32-3-common -- any idea how to generate that common package? |
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| 14:53.42 | jordanm | ||cw: no, I meant in debian, it might be for the upcomming squeeze release |
| 14:53.43 | lindi- | "apt-cache show linux-headers-2.6.32-5-common" in debian unstable chroot shows that it is architecture dependent but I am not sure what "binary-arch..." target generates it. I even tried looking at the build log but i'm not sure how to read it |
| 14:54.28 | wols_ | lindi-: just use kernel-package |
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| 14:55.44 | coil | im trying to install build-essential but its saying i have unmet dependencies g++ and dpkg-dev |
| 14:55.50 | lindi- | wols_: together with linux-source-2.6.32? |
| 14:56.10 | jordanm | !tell coil about bat |
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| 14:57.23 | coil | http://paste.debian.net/75065/ |
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| 14:59.08 | ||cw | apt-get update |
| 14:59.16 | jordanm | coil: your system looks out of date, update it |
| 14:59.21 | jordanm | !why aptitude |
| 14:59.21 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often find a solution where apt-get gives up. It can be used from the command line like apt-get plus an interactive resolver makes it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). |
| 14:59.27 | jordanm | using aptitude.... |
| 15:00.01 | coil | ok |
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| 15:00.06 | \amethyst | but why would apt-get give an error there? |
| 15:00.09 | skyfan | hello guys |
| 15:00.23 | skyfan | is there something wrong with tzdata package |
| 15:00.33 | \amethyst | the proper versions of g++ and dpkg-dev are in lenny/main |
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| 15:00.40 | skyfan | my universal time is ok |
| 15:00.50 | coil | i updated |
| 15:00.55 | coil | and now this: |
| 15:00.56 | coil | http://paste.debian.net/75066/ |
| 15:00.59 | skyfan | but when i set local time to gmt+1 for example |
| 15:01.07 | jordanm | \amethyst: I am only assuming its because it is expecting 4.3.1 but 4.3.2-2 is the installation canditidate (from secruity repos) |
| 15:01.14 | skyfan | it is decreasing the time with 1 hour instead to add it |
| 15:01.19 | \amethyst | jordanm: it says >= 4:4.3.1 |
| 15:01.20 | jordanm | \amethyst: maybe getting held back by something else lacking a security update |
| 15:01.40 | lindi- | wols_: it seems this specific problem is mentioned in http://wiki.debian.org/HowToRebuildAnOfficialDebianKernelPackage |
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| 15:02.00 | skyfan | Local time is now: Thu May 27 12:52:54 GMT+2 2010. |
| 15:02.00 | skyfan | Universal Time is now: Thu May 27 14:52:54 UTC 2010. |
| 15:02.04 | coil | do i accept this solution? |
| 15:02.07 | skyfan | is this normal guys |
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| 15:02.47 | jordanm | ,versions cpp-4.3 |
| 15:02.48 | judd | cpp-4.3 -- lenny: 4.3.2-1.1; lenny-backports: 4.3.4-6~bpo50+1; squeeze: 4.3.4-10; sid: 4.3.5-1 |
| 15:02.50 | skyfan | or it is a bug |
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| 15:03.00 | \amethyst | skyfan: what did you set your time zone to? |
| 15:03.12 | skyfan | gmt+2 |
| 15:03.16 | jordanm | coil: have you been mixing releases? |
| 15:03.21 | skyfan | but it is not adding 2 hours ahead |
| 15:03.29 | skyfan | if i do GMT-2 |
| 15:03.34 | skyfan | then it is adding 2 hours |
| 15:03.38 | ||cw | coil: you are also using a different command... and how did you get newer cpp instaleld? |
| 15:03.48 | jordanm | ||cw: its from squeeze |
| 15:03.55 | jordanm | coil: accept the solution |
| 15:04.07 | skyfan | Local time is now: Thu May 27 17:03:57 GMT-2 2010. |
| 15:04.07 | skyfan | Universal Time is now: Thu May 27 15:03:57 UTC 2010. |
| 15:04.08 | ||cw | yeah but how did that happen |
| 15:04.14 | coil | im not sure |
| 15:04.23 | skyfan | why is it doing it |
| 15:04.36 | jordanm | coil: after that, pastebin: apt-cache policy libc6 dpkg |
| 15:04.41 | \amethyst | skyfan: yes, the offset is backwards... that's just how it works |
| 15:04.58 | \amethyst | skyfan: it's not Linux-specific |
| 15:05.03 | jordanm | \amethyst: I was wrong, opposite, it had some newer than expected packages |
| 15:05.07 | \amethyst | skyfan: probably you'd want to pick something else anyway |
| 15:05.09 | rvsjoen | that's what GMT -2 (minus two) means |
| 15:05.23 | coil | jordanm: http://paste.debian.net/75067/ |
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| 15:05.41 | skyfan | well i can not agree with this |
| 15:05.48 | skyfan | because if u go on any web site |
| 15:05.50 | ||cw | skyfan: I'm with you |
| 15:05.52 | jordanm | coil: looks good, try to install build-essentials again |
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| 15:06.05 | ||cw | I'm GMT-6, and local is 10 and utc is 15 |
| 15:06.09 | skyfan | u will see that GMT+2 increase the offset |
| 15:06.09 | ||cw | er, -5 |
| 15:06.10 | \amethyst | skyfan: anyway, that's not how you should be specifying your time zone |
| 15:06.11 | ||cw | DST |
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| 15:06.25 | blue_anna | what posix standard is debian on now? 2008 yet? |
| 15:06.25 | \amethyst | skyfan: because it doesn't do anything about summer time |
| 15:06.31 | skyfan | if i choose by country |
| 15:06.37 | skyfan | then i go to correct time |
| 15:06.43 | skyfan | but GMT is not working at all |
| 15:06.50 | jordanm | blue_anna: its changed in the last 10 years? |
| 15:06.58 | coil | jordanm it installed |
| 15:06.59 | blue_anna | 3 times |
| 15:07.10 | blue_anna | I mean according to the wikipedia article |
| 15:07.26 | jordanm | coil: nice, now keep those squeeze package off your system! |
| 15:07.45 | skyfan | however GMT and UTC are same |
| 15:07.47 | skyfan | Local time is now: Thu May 27 14:56:24 GMT 2010. |
| 15:07.47 | skyfan | Universal Time is now: Thu May 27 14:56:24 UTC 2010. |
| 15:07.56 | \amethyst | skyfan: you said TZ='GMT+2' was giving you the time zone 2 hours earlier than GMT... that's how it's always worked on Unix |
| 15:07.56 | skyfan | which means there is a bug |
| 15:08.13 | skyfan | how come |
| 15:08.15 | blue_anna | jordanm: I'm running into this weird behavior where after I create a directory with mkdir(), it returns before the directory is actually created |
| 15:08.20 | \amethyst | skyfan: the offset is the number of hours you have to add to your zone to get to the reference zone |
| 15:08.25 | \amethyst | skyfan: I have no idea why it is that way |
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| 15:08.50 | skyfan | Local time is now: Thu May 27 15:56:29 GMT-1 2010. |
| 15:08.50 | skyfan | Universal Time is now: Thu May 27 14:56:29 UTC 2010. |
| 15:09.00 | blue_anna | and the docs say its on POSIX.1-2001 but there was no POSIX.1-2001 .. I assume its really the POSIX standard IEEE 1003.1-2001 |
| 15:09.10 | jordanm | blue_anna: that doesn't seem to have a manpage, is that a C function? |
| 15:09.15 | blue_anna | anyway it's changed since that |
| 15:09.23 | blue_anna | jordan yea -- man 2 mkdir |
| 15:09.32 | skyfan | i am having problems with daylight saving time |
| 15:09.46 | \amethyst | skyfan: possibly because that notation was invented by Americans who wrote 'GMT5' for what everyone else would call GMT -5 |
| 15:09.47 | skyfan | my java application is not picking it up correctly |
| 15:10.40 | skyfan | take a look at this |
| 15:10.41 | skyfan | http://wwp.greenwichmeantime.com/ |
| 15:10.53 | jordanm | blue_anna: ah, says it conforms to SVr4, BSD, POSIX.1-2001 |
| 15:10.59 | skyfan | it is GMT+1 |
| 15:11.00 | tdn | keith4, thanks |
| 15:11.24 | blue_anna | jordanm: that's the most recent debian? |
| 15:11.30 | \amethyst | skyfan: I know the Unix offset is backwards from everything else... but it's specified by the Posix standard so it can't be changed without breaking working sites |
| 15:11.40 | jordanm | blue_anna: most recent stable |
| 15:11.43 | blue_anna | jordanm: QQ -- but thanks :) |
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| 15:12.44 | skyfan | ok that does not matter, but how can i fix java issue with daylight saving |
| 15:12.46 | rvsjoen | skyfan: Thu May 27 17:03:57 GMT-2 2010 ---> add -2, (time + (-2)), -2 ---> Thu May 27 15:03:57 UTC 2010 |
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| 15:13.29 | \amethyst | skyfan: does Java give you the problem if you specify your time zone geographically? |
| 15:13.47 | \amethyst | skyfan: because 'GMT+2' or 'GMT-2' specifies a time zone without daylight savings time |
| 15:13.53 | \amethyst | skyfan: one called 'GMT' |
| 15:14.20 | skyfan | java does not let me to set timezone |
| 15:14.28 | skyfan | it should pickup local time |
| 15:14.32 | skyfan | localtime is correct |
| 15:14.38 | skyfan | but java does not see it |
| 15:14.48 | skyfan | i installed tzdata-java |
| 15:14.53 | skyfan | but that did not fix the issue |
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| 15:28.26 | pyrophelia | how do I run fschk on xfs when the FS is huge? |
| 15:28.34 | pyrophelia | the system only has 4GB of ram |
| 15:28.56 | GNU\colossus | install more RAM, or use swap |
| 15:28.57 | ||cw | you use xfc_check |
| 15:28.59 | karlpinc | pyrophelia: I suspect you need tohave swap enabled. |
| 15:29.04 | ||cw | xfs^ |
| 15:29.05 | pyrophelia | swap is enabled |
| 15:29.17 | ||cw | how huge? |
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| 15:29.26 | pyrophelia | 60TB |
| 15:29.29 | karlpinc | pyrophelia: And what is the error? |
| 15:29.31 | ||cw | oh |
| 15:29.37 | ||cw | that is huge |
| 15:29.43 | pyrophelia | ^^' |
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| 15:30.07 | ||cw | i know I've done 250GB in 1GB ram... but that doesn't really compare at all here |
| 15:30.10 | pyrophelia | out of memory |
| 15:30.17 | karlpinc | pyrophelia: You may not have enough swap. Also what version of debian? Is swap on lvm? |
| 15:30.22 | GNU\colossus | pyrophelia: well, get more RAM, or more swap then |
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| 15:30.41 | pyrophelia | swap is not on the lvm no |
| 15:30.48 | pyrophelia | lenny |
| 15:31.13 | karlpinc | pyrophelia: You need more swap then. You could put some in a filesystem if you have space there (that you're not fscking). |
| 15:31.23 | pyrophelia | erm.... |
| 15:31.38 | pyrophelia | most of it is used |
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| 15:31.51 | pyrophelia | I've got maybe 2TB free |
| 15:31.54 | pyrophelia | if that |
| 15:32.36 | GNU\colossus | well, you shouldn't touch your fs in a writing manner if it is in need of being fscked anyway |
| 15:32.45 | GNU\colossus | you'd have to have another filesystem or blockdevice for swap |
| 15:33.00 | GNU\colossus | there's nothing left to say or discuss now, really |
| 15:33.11 | karlpinc | pyrophelia: How much swap do you have now? |
| 15:33.13 | pyrophelia | I do have another HD I use for the FS and swap |
| 15:33.21 | pyrophelia | 4GB I matched the physical ram |
| 15:33.35 | pyrophelia | to be able to check a XFS system that big, how much swap would I need? |
| 15:33.46 | karlpinc | pyrophelia: There's a lot of 4GB in 2TB. You could add a lot more swap. |
| 15:34.30 | pyrophelia | ok i'll see how much hasn't been allocated to the lvm, thanks |
| 15:34.38 | karlpinc | pyrophelia: No clue. You could take the number of inodes and multiply by some number and produce an exact meaningless guess. |
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| 15:34.46 | jimcooncat | 640k ought to be enough.... |
| 15:35.15 | pyrophelia | bgates, nice of you to comment, could you explain your direction of the future? |
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| 15:35.22 | karlpinc | pyrophelia: Even swap on a fs should work. (So long as it's not on the fs you're fscking.) |
| 15:35.49 | pyrophelia | karlpinc, yea that's the thing though. I really don't know how much I have unallocated in the lvm |
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| 15:36.13 | karlpinc | pyrophelia: Nothing wrong with swap on lvm either. But lenny has a bug where lvm swap is not activated until after the boot-time fsck so there's a problem there. |
| 15:36.31 | pyrophelia | o.o? |
| 15:36.41 | karlpinc | pyrophelia: But only at boot. And you can fix it easily once you're aware of the problem. |
| 15:36.54 | pyrophelia | I've used swap on the lvm before |
| 15:37.16 | karlpinc | pyrophelia: Me too. But I found out the hard way it's not on when the startup scripts fsck. |
| 15:37.19 | pyrophelia | should be as simple as swapon /dev/lvm/foo/bar1 right? |
| 15:37.26 | karlpinc | pyrophelia: Right. |
| 15:37.30 | pyrophelia | no biggy |
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| 15:42.44 | karlpinc | pyrophelia: You could even plug in a usb key and use that. |
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| 15:45.30 | intx | how does /proc work? i'm getting errors with my proc directory, ls: reading directory /proc/net: Invalid argument |
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| 15:46.37 | cga | hi all, can you advice me a good alternative to Squid please? |
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| 15:48.01 | skinder | wifi not working on hp pavilion dv6720 |
| 15:48.15 | skinder | iwconfig doesn't say anything about wlan |
| 15:49.10 | themill | skinder: you'd need to state which debian release and which wifi chipset before anyone can help you |
| 15:49.15 | sobukus | Hi folks, can someone guide me to a definite rule to derive the name of a development package from the lib package? Or is there an option to make apt(itude) always install the matching devel package? |
| 15:49.26 | ||cw | intx: the kernel emulates a filesystem on it. that error is odd... have you rebooted? maybe a module panic'd |
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| 15:50.06 | ||cw | sobukus: generally, you add -dev to the end of the name |
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| 15:50.46 | sobukus | ||cw: the problem is, that this rule does not hold generally... for example: libltdl7 -> libltdl-dev |
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| 15:50.57 | sobukus | sometimes you strip the version number, sometimes not (?) |
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| 15:51.01 | intx | ||cw: i did reboot |
| 15:51.21 | sobukus | ||cw: or libmpg123-0 -> libmpg123-dev |
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| 15:51.39 | ldlework | Can anyone tell me why the following isn't giving me access to my files? http://codepad.org/2tq7oIg9 |
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| 15:52.49 | themill | sobukus: you normally would lose the soname out of the package name except in some cases where it's intended that there be multiple -dev packages installed or where the maintainer made a versioned dev package for some reason (generally not encouraged, however) |
| 15:53.11 | dheeee | is there a way to integrate a form in a page, that the result of the action which is performend with the formular data is shown in the page? |
| 15:53.15 | natefoo | anyone know if there's a bug with update-rc.d not honoring sequence numbers you override? no matter how i invoke update-rc.d, all links are created with S20 and K01. |
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| 15:53.27 | intx | ||cw: not sure if this is relevant |
| 15:53.46 | mcl0vin | does this looks ok to you '-rwsr-xr-x 1 root root 41292 2009-07-31 06:55 /usr/bin/passwd' |
| 15:53.47 | mcl0vin | from what i read this could be a disaster ....any user can run 'passwd' and change the password right? |
| 15:53.51 | ldlework | Can anyone help me with my very basic problem? |
| 15:53.52 | intx | ||cw: but net is a link to self/net, and ./self is a link to ./2436, |
| 15:54.01 | intx | ||cw: and when i type cd 2436, i get "No such file or directory" |
| 15:54.03 | sobukus | themill: So, the relation between the package names is not trivial ... I'm trying to guess now in a script for possible -dev package names |
| 15:54.23 | sobukus | themill: but what I'd really want is to have the package manager _always_ install the matching -dev package if there is one |
| 15:54.27 | sobukus | is that possible? |
| 15:54.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | ldlework, because the permissions on 'www' don't include 'r' |
| 15:54.32 | themill | sobukus: you probably should be searching for specific header that you need though. Use apt-file for that. |
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| 15:54.59 | intx | hm |
| 15:55.01 | intx | nevermind it's not :p |
| 15:55.04 | intx | just realized what /proc/self is |
| 15:55.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | or something similar... one of the weirder combinations for sure |
| 15:55.26 | themill | sobukus: you also probably want it the other way around though -- the -dev package would normally depend on the library package. |
| 15:55.27 | Night_Elf`food | Hi all. How can I make sure that the framebuffer is NOT being used and make sure that it is not used at all ? |
| 15:55.42 | sobukus | themill: the situation is that the admin at a site I work on asks for recommendations on packages to install. Now, I say "Generally, I want to be able to build software using every library that is installed, so we need the according headers." |
| 15:56.57 | ldlework | CutMeOwnThroat, http://codepad.org/EQItBjH1 |
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| 15:56.57 | sobukus | themill: we want to avoid spamming the admin for each library x when a user suddenly needs it the first time... |
| 15:56.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | how about you do something more useful like ls -ld www |
| 15:57.01 | jordanm | Night_Elf`food: vga=nofb |
| 15:57.22 | sobukus | themill: for developer systems (scientists), a feature to get -dev packages automatically would make sense |
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| 15:58.00 | themill | sobukus: it would be unusual to be compiling against *every* library on your system anyway. |
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| 15:58.15 | jordanm | unless you were using apt-build... |
| 15:58.18 | Night_Elf`food | jordanm: that goes as a parameter in menu.lst to the line similar to "kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-2-686 root=/dev/hda1 ro quiet" ? |
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| 15:58.26 | sobukus | themill: well, you cannot predict easily what any one of 100 users is going to need |
| 15:58.31 | ldlework | CutMeOwnThroat, http://codepad.org/4Xh48KQq |
| 15:58.43 | sobukus | themill: just installing about everything looks like a sane option, given plenty disk space |
| 15:58.50 | themill | sobukus: give them sudo access to "aptitude install" packages? |
| 15:59.00 | jordanm | Night_Elf`food: it goes in menu.lst, but not directly on that line. you want to add it to defoptions |
| 15:59.13 | jordanm | Night_Elf`food: then regenerate the file using update-grub |
| 15:59.15 | Night_Elf`food | jordanm: ah ok. I will try. Thanks |
| 15:59.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | ldlework, don't you see how weird it is? you're missing x for u+g, but o has it |
| 15:59.29 | sobukus | themill: that is no option... especally no option the admin would consider to give to every unwitting user out there |
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| 15:59.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | and that line would have been sufficient : drw-rw-r-x 4 www-data ldlework 4096 May 26 14:51 www |
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| 15:59.55 | sobukus | every user is someone who might need to build custom software, but that doesn't mean anyone could be trusted with sudo;-) |
| 16:00.07 | ldlework | CutMeOwnThroat, thanks for pointing that out. |
| 16:00.16 | themill | sobukus: if you're only allowing them to install debian packages that's a reasonably safe thing to permit |
| 16:00.39 | \amethyst | themill: not necessarily... what if the system uses exim4 and they do aptitude install postfix ? |
| 16:01.04 | themill | \amethyst: absolutely. Hence "reasonably". |
| 16:01.16 | sobukus | in any case, I don't think I'll convince this admin to give anyone sudo ... also considering that we have users that work here for some months and then disappear |
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| 16:02.32 | sobukus | Well, it was possible that I missed some way to extract the link from a package to its devel package in a safe way ... but apparently that relation is only stored as dependency of the -dev package on the binary. |
| 16:03.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | sobukus, you could do it the other way around, I guess |
| 16:03.15 | sobukus | Sounds like an omission to me, but bitching doesn't help ... I'm going to guess the packages via known patterns... |
| 16:03.30 | natefoo | anyone know if there's a bug with update-rc.d not honoring sequence numbers you override? no matter how i invoke update-rc.d, all links are created with S20 and K01. |
| 16:03.48 | natefoo | for example, 'update-rc.d foo defaults 70 30' does not work. |
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| 16:04.06 | sobukus | CutMeOwnThroat: I still would need to do some pattern matching to filter out the correct dependency... and it would take a lot of time (going through all pacackages ending in -dev and looking if they belong to some installed package). |
| 16:04.14 | natefoo | nor does 'update-rc.d foo start 70 2 3 4 5 . stop 30 0 1 6 .' |
| 16:04.33 | sobukus | Well, thanks for the discussion. |
| 16:04.38 | jordanm | natefoo: use sysv-rc-conf or rcconf |
| 16:04.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | sobukus, are you on an 80386? |
| 16:04.59 | sobukus | CutMeOwnThroat: ? I have one in the closet ... |
| 16:05.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 16:05.06 | jordanm | natefoo: those tools have better interfaces and are more intended for use by end-users |
| 16:05.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | I mean takes hardly any time |
| 16:05.39 | natefoo | jordanm: okay. it's not like i can't create stuff myself, but i just expected the default utility to work as documented. |
| 16:05.46 | natefoo | am i using it wrong? |
| 16:06.04 | sobukus | CutMeOwnThroat: well... unless that gives me the exact mapping, I don't see he big advantage. I reckon the -dev package has the base package as normal dependency among others? |
| 16:06.54 | sobukus | hm |
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| 16:07.12 | jordanm | natefoo: no, that looks fine, but it my understanding that update-rc.d is primarily to be used by package scripts |
| 16:07.16 | sobukus | I see the -dev packages _only_ depending on the base package ... is that a general rule? |
| 16:07.22 | ||cw | yes |
| 16:07.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | I mean what you said was, package-dev will belong to 'package' or 'package-version' i |
| 16:07.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | so you can do something like for i in $(apt-cache search dev --names-only |awk '{print $1}' | sed 's/-dev//') do dpkg -l | grep "$i" && echo $i; done |
| 16:07.53 | natefoo | okay. |
| 16:07.54 | natefoo | thanks. |
| 16:08.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, echo $i-dev, actually |
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| 16:08.31 | themill | or use "aptitude search ~n^lib~i" to get things that are actually isntalled |
| 16:08.41 | ||cw | sobukus: you could propose a "devel" tag (is that right word?) to go with depends and suggests, the packaging tools generate both packages and could automatically add the tag |
| 16:08.56 | sobukus | that would help things |
| 16:08.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | probably there's more unusual naming, but that solves the problem you mentioned |
| 16:09.00 | ||cw | would be quite useful |
| 16:09.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | themill, I'd say aptitude is even slower than dpkg |
| 16:09.13 | sobukus | CutMeOwnThroat: the naming is what I'm not so sure about |
| 16:09.36 | ||cw | CutMeOwnThroat: of course it is, it does a lot more |
| 16:09.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | but of course this script is horrible from a performance point of view... but that doesn't bother us much |
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| 16:10.12 | themill | CutMeOwnThroat: the ~i is quite possibly important here. Otherwise you'd just aptitude install ~n-dev and be done with it. |
| 16:10.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | ||cw, what I'm saying is that this substitution doesn't do anything useful... (of course one can store whatever result in a file instead of generationg it everytime... |
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| 16:11.03 | sobukus | Well... to be safe for _now_, searching for all -dev packages and extracting their (single) deps, and reversing that mapping, seems like the way to go |
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| 16:11.22 | themill | dpkg -l |grep foo is also fail, but let's not go there. |
| 16:11.22 | dpkg | No packages found matching |grep foo is also fail, but let's not go there. |
| 16:11.25 | sobukus | then match against list of installed packages... |
| 16:11.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | themill, why? |
| 16:11.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh |
| 16:11.44 | themill | CutMeOwnThroat: this functionality is built into dpkg -l |
| 16:11.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah |
| 16:11.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | I figured :) |
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| 16:12.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | themill, but I'm not sure about the exit status of dpkg depending on if it finds something or not, while I am sure about the exit status of grep |
| 16:12.34 | sobukus | One question aside: am I supposed to use apt-* or shall I really, really use aptitude instead, also for scripts? |
| 16:12.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | sobukus, use aptitude when you need to resolve dependencies |
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| 16:13.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | or when you want to make use of that weird ~sumpthin!~sumpthingelse syntax I'll never befriend with |
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| 16:14.46 | sobukus | Well, what I want now: Search for all package names neding in -dev, ... aptitude search '?name(^.*-dev$)' |
| 16:14.59 | sobukus | fiddle out the actual package name out of that table ... |
| 16:15.08 | sobukus | then get the depends for each package in a loop |
| 16:15.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | I gave you a specific line that does all that? |
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| 16:15.36 | sobukus | Where I am now wondering if I have to grep in 'aptitude show' or if there is a definite command for getting deps |
| 16:15.44 | jordanm | sobukus: aptitude search ~n-dev$ |
| 16:16.14 | sobukus | CutMeOwnThroat: well, you searched for anything that contains 'dev', not just ends in '-dev' |
| 16:16.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | I mean... if you want to invent your own wheel... |
| 16:16.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | sobukus, well... name any package that contains -dev in the name, but not at the end? |
| 16:16.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | anyway, you could add a $ there? |
| 16:17.06 | jordanm | points to his simple example |
| 16:17.25 | sobukus | xul-ext-webdeveloper |
| 16:17.29 | sobukus | vdr-plugin-streamdev-client |
| 16:17.32 | sobukus | ;-) |
| 16:17.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's not -dev, but dev |
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| 16:17.48 | sobukus | jordanm: isn't that shorthand syntax for what I wrote? |
| 16:18.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, I did write dev |
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| 16:18.23 | sobukus | yup;-) |
| 16:18.39 | sobukus | xfce4-dev-tools |
| 16:18.43 | sobukus | and there's that;-) |
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| 16:19.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | awk '/-dev$/{print $1}' |
| 16:19.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | I did write "something like that" |
| 16:19.46 | GIORGI | add |
| 16:19.50 | sobukus | So, we settled that there are ways to get the dev packages... is there a better way to extract the dependency on the base package than grepping aptitude show? |
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| 16:20.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | what base package |
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| 16:20.26 | sobukus | libmpg123-dev depends on libmpg123-0 |
| 16:20.34 | sobukus | libmpg123-0 is "base package" |
| 16:20.58 | sobukus | the library pacakge |
| 16:21.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | apt-cache rdepends libmpg123-0 |
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| 16:22.31 | sobukus | CutMeOwnThroat: that would find all packages that depend on the lib ... apt-cache depends libmpg123-dev seems like it |
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| 16:23.01 | sobukus | sees that the apt-* tools are not dead ... aptitude doesn't seem to have the features of apt-cache |
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| 16:24.02 | chut | hi people, does anyone has problem with iceweasel on testing that you can't save images ? |
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| 16:24.31 | GIORGI | fg |
| 16:24.35 | chut | or download files, when you save imaeg and download files iceweasel crashed |
| 16:24.58 | chut | i tried to remove .mozilla folder but it still crashing |
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| 16:25.46 | themill | sobukus: without me having tested it carefully.... something like: aptitude search '?depends(?name(^lib)?installed)?name(-dev$)' |
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| 16:26.52 | sobukus | libavc1394-dev: Depends: libavc1394-0 Depends: libc6-dev |
| 16:26.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | themill, I liked mine better... this is totally cryptic |
| 16:27.18 | themill | CutMeOwnThroat: yours doesn't work as advertised so feel free to like it or not.... |
| 16:27.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | why doesn't it? |
| 16:27.35 | sobukus | Hm... the -dev packages depend on several other -dev packages |
| 16:27.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | and you haven't read the small print of the advertisment if you say it doesn't work as advertised... |
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| 16:27.55 | themill | sobukus: but apt will resolve that at install time so it's not an issue. |
| 16:28.02 | ponyofdeath | ok can someone please help me disable networking configuration in my preseed file: http://pastebin.com/Vyp2TeNx |
| 16:28.33 | sobukus | themill: at the moment I'm just trying to get a definite mapping between library and devel package... |
| 16:28.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | sobukus, you could look at the source package, also |
| 16:28.56 | sobukus | Well, I can ignore the -dev packages in the deps when identifying the corresponding library |
| 16:29.21 | sobukus | themill: Could you explain in english what your line does? |
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| 16:29.56 | sobukus | CutMeOwnThroat: well... does a source package name the lib and dev pacakges it creates? |
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| 16:30.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | sobukus, apt-cache showsrc libavc1394-0 |grep Binary |
| 16:31.10 | sobukus | and interesting |
| 16:31.15 | themill | sobukus: ?name(^lib) matches all packages with lib at the start; ?installed limits that to packages you have installed. ?depends(..) looks at the packages that depend on those packages and the final ?name(-dev$) filters that down to -dev packages. |
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| 16:31.31 | sobukus | themill: thanks |
| 16:31.48 | themill | dpkg: tell sobukus about aptitude search |
| 16:32.18 | themill | sobukus: aptitude's search syntax can do a hell of a lot. And can also be used with other operations (like install, remove etc) |
| 16:32.55 | sobukus | themill: but then, x11proto-video-dev ... what to make out of this one |
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| 16:33.27 | sobukus | themill: what do you think about the source package idea? It looks promising to me. |
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| 16:33.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | the only thing it cannot do is... "be readable" |
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| 16:34.15 | sobukus | I have that feeling that _that_ discussion wouldn't lead anywhere now. |
| 16:34.18 | themill | CutMeOwnThroat: it's quite readable, you just need to know the syntax. |
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| 16:34.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | which is not documented in the manpage |
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| 16:35.18 | sobukus | Hm, for the src packages to work, I need to tell the admin to add src sources to apt |
| 16:35.20 | raboof | for an intel 64-bits processor, i'd still get the 'i386' iso, not the 'ia64' iso, right? |
| 16:35.26 | themill | CutMeOwnThroat: it's documented in the aptitude documentation which is pointed to by the man pages. If you included all the docs in the man page, it would be even less useful than man bash. |
| 16:35.37 | sobukus | raboof: ia64 is only for itanium |
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| 16:35.54 | wols_ | raboof: i386 or amd64 you can use |
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| 16:36.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | themill, one can search in manpages |
| 16:36.18 | raboof | wols_: ah - which would be preferable? |
| 16:36.32 | wols_ | raboof: depends if you want a 32 or a 64bit OS |
| 16:36.44 | wols_ | raboof: how much memory do you have? |
| 16:36.45 | themill | sobukus: I still think you're going about this the wrong way (but I imagine that some other -dev package will depend on that particular one anyway and drag it in for you) |
| 16:36.50 | raboof | wols_: 4g |
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| 16:37.11 | wols_ | raboof: then it's mostly a tossup |
| 16:37.12 | themill | dpkg: tell allu3 about root |
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| 16:37.46 | raboof | tosses 64, downloads the amd64 install cd |
| 16:37.59 | tharkun | save it, now you have a nice coaster |
| 16:38.01 | gutek999 | hi, when i try to compile alsa i've got an error C compiler cannot create executables, ive got gcc, g++, build essential, glibc6 installed, do i need anything elese? btw im running amg64 debian |
| 16:38.08 | sobukus | themill: Ok, then... what basic approach should I take to prepare a debian system for users who might need to build software that can depend on any one installed library, with least possible hassle for the admin? |
| 16:38.15 | jordanm | gutek999: why are you trying to compile alsa? |
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| 16:38.57 | gutek999 | jordanm: because i've got no sound, and i probably found the way to fix it |
| 16:39.20 | wols_ | gutek999: uname -r ? |
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| 16:41.36 | themill | sobukus: there's no easy answer for that, but if you're dealing with scientists, then picking the sorts of libraries that they are using would be best (you'll have an idea of what that will be based on the field they're working in). You could always allow sudo access to an aptitude wrapper that only permitted arguments that ended in "-dev"... |
| 16:41.54 | gutek999 | wols_: 2.6.32-5-amd64 |
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| 16:42.53 | jordanm | !sid |
| 16:42.53 | dpkg | sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. Sid is the destructive kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in; sid is not supported in #debian because sid users should be able to solve their own problems. Sid will never be released. See also <sid faq> <unstable>. |
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| 16:43.09 | sobukus | themill, CutMeOwnThroat: Thanks for your suggestions ... I'll work something out. For the future, that metainfo about related devel package would be cool. |
| 16:43.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | well... the source package has that? |
| 16:44.13 | jordanm | gutek999: running unstable, especially for an inexperienced user, is not recommended |
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| 16:45.20 | sobukus | CutMeOwnThroat: Yes... I am pondering that, too ... drawback is that I have to explain to the admin to add deb-src to apt ... he's new to debian. As I said, I'll ponder on the different variants I got here, and then come to a conclusion. |
| 16:45.31 | gutek999 | jordanm: i've been using sid for over 3 years and often fix problems, but this is my first problem that i cant sovle with google |
| 16:45.32 | sobukus | But there's a party to attend;-) |
| 16:45.56 | jordanm | gutek999: not supported here |
| 16:46.11 | themill | sobukus: good luck with that |
| 16:46.25 | jordanm | not that manually compiling alsa driver is ever really supported... |
| 16:46.48 | chut | no one in here has problem with iceweasel on testing? |
| 16:47.15 | jordanm | chut: the BTS would be the place to check/ask that |
| 16:47.20 | jordanm | !tell chut about bts |
| 16:47.33 | gutek999 | jordanm: sid's not supported here? |
| 16:47.41 | tharkun | !pieces |
| 16:47.41 | dpkg | ( The great thing about running sid is that, when it breaks you get to keep ALL the pieces!! ) |
| 16:47.44 | jordanm | gutek999: not according to the factoid |
| 16:47.44 | jelly | jordanm: m-a way is supposed to work |
| 16:47.59 | chut | oh |
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| 16:48.38 | jelly | gutek999: care to pastebin the actual error? |
| 16:48.48 | jelly | !errors |
| 16:48.48 | dpkg | If you don't tell us the exact error messages you get, we can't tell you what's wrong, and it's also useful to know exactly what command you're typing. Please look for the *first* error that occurs, as this is often the cause of later errors -- ask me about <localized errors> too. |
| 16:49.05 | gutek999 | jelly: no problem |
| 16:49.17 | jordanm | gutek999: it is however, at the descrition of the people around. you will not get kicked for being off-topic for giving sid support |
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| 16:49.41 | jelly | gutek999: I s'pose build-essential and linux-headers-$(uname -r) packages are installed? |
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| 16:49.49 | jelly | ,kernels |
| 16:49.50 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.34-1-686 (2.6.34-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-13); squeeze: 2.6.32-3-686 (2.6.32-9); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.4-686 (2.6.32-11~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-22lenny1); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
| 16:49.56 | jelly | ,kernels --arch amd64 |
| 16:49.59 | judd | (kernels [--release <lenny>]) -- Outputs the kernel versions in the archive, optionally restricted to one release. Note that semi-major releases like etchnhalf are treated as separate releases. |
| 16:50.11 | gutek999 | jelly: sure, i wrote it at the begining |
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| 16:51.26 | gutek999 | heres my config.log http://pastebin.com/JHU7AYnB |
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| 16:53.28 | jelly | something really seems to be wrong with your gcc, gutek999, lines 63-83 |
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| 16:54.14 | jelly | gutek999: pastebin the output of dpkg -l libc6\* gcc\* |
| 16:54.27 | themill | the other bits of gcc-4.3 probably aren't installed |
| 16:54.34 | skinder | oh, sorry, i was afk. i have a laptop (hp pavilion dv6720er) with builtin wlan and debian lenny on it. iwconfig doesn't says anything about wlan. sorry, i'm newbie and not sure im doing it right |
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| 16:54.51 | skinder | mm, debian not built-in |
| 16:54.56 | wols_ | skinder: lspci -nn |
| 16:54.58 | jelly | themill: ya think build-essential is, essentially, broken at this point |
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| 16:55.20 | jelly | judd: versions gcc |
| 16:55.21 | judd | gcc -- etch: 4:4.1.1-15; lenny: 4:4.3.2-2; sid: 4:4.4.3-1; squeeze: 4:4.4.3-1 |
| 16:55.26 | jelly | judd: versions gcc-4.4 |
| 16:55.27 | themill | jelly: it's fine for gcc-4.4 stuff but misses kernel compilation stuff (gcc-4.3) |
| 16:55.29 | judd | gcc-4.4 -- squeeze: 4.4.4-1; sid: 4.4.4-2 |
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| 16:55.36 | jelly | ah! |
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| 16:55.47 | gutek999 | jelly: http://pastebin.com/maudUZDC |
| 16:55.51 | skinder | umm |
| 16:56.12 | jelly | judd: versions gcc-4.3 --arch amd64 |
| 16:56.14 | judd | gcc-4.3 -- lenny: 4.3.2-1.1; lenny-backports: 4.3.4-6~bpo50+1; squeeze: 4.3.4-10; sid: 4.3.5-1 |
| 16:56.51 | skinder | can it be a "network controller"? |
| 16:57.00 | wols_ | !paste |
| 16:57.00 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>. |
| 16:57.05 | wols_ | skinder: yes it can be |
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| 16:59.55 | raboof | the netinst cd tells me to insert removable media with the iwlwifi-6000-2.ucode and iwlwifi-6000-1.ucode |
| 17:00.00 | raboof | where can i obtain these files? |
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| 17:00.22 | jhutchins_lt | !firmware |
| 17:00.23 | dpkg | Firmware (sometimes termed "microcode") is software to operate electronic devices, usually contained in EPROM or flash memory. Some Linux kernel modules require firmware to be provided from userspace, prior to device operation, notably for <WiFi> devices. Ask me about <listkeys firmware> and <search> my factoids. Some firmware is available via Debian packages. See also http://wiki.debian.org/Firmware and <installer firmware>. |
| 17:00.55 | jhutchins_lt | raboof: /msg dpkg installer firmware |
| 17:01.07 | jelly | gutek999: could be gcc-4.3 is broken in sid at present, does manually compiling a hello world app with it work? |
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| 17:03.17 | gutek999 | jelly: never though gcc has such a feature :D, wait a sec |
| 17:04.25 | jelly | gutek999: you could pick older gcc-4.3 packages from testing and try again |
| 17:04.36 | faca | Hello, I can make a user of courier-imap can check your emails only locally and not to read when accessed from a remote connection?. I need that some users may access from one connection outside the intranet and in so other users can not. |
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| 17:04.43 | gutek999 | jelly: yeah, looks so gcc: error trying to exec 'cc1': execvp: Nie ma takiego pliku ani katalogu |
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| 17:05.00 | gutek999 | no such file or catalog |
| 17:05.13 | gutek999 | jelly: thanks for help |
| 17:05.39 | raboof | jhutchins_lt: http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch06s04 tells me to get http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/firmware/testing/current/firmware.tar.gz , but that doesn't have iwlwifi-6000-2.ucode (only -4) |
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| 17:06.43 | allu2 | Hello, i am having trouble to get irda work on my debian squeeze on omnibook XE3-GF |
| 17:06.56 | allu2 | i can't find it anywhere :S |
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| 17:09.27 | wols_ | !irda |
| 17:09.27 | dpkg | IrDA is an infrared wireless communication standard. To use on Debian systems: enable infrared in BIOS (if built-in), "aptitude install irda-utils" (its init script starts irattach by default), enable infrared on the other device, "cat /proc/net/irda/discovery" / irdadump to test. To provide /dev/ircomm* devices, "modprobe ircomm-tty". See also irda-utils' README.Debian. http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Infrared-HOWTO/ Not for CIR, see <lirc>. |
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| 17:15.50 | osfd | Hi. By changing in my sources.list stable to testing followed by a aptitude update && aptitude safe-upgrade, will I go to testing with no problem ? |
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| 17:16.49 | frostschutz | osfd: dunno, why don't you test it? :) |
| 17:17.22 | osfd | frostschutz: you funny guy...because I would not like to be without computer... |
| 17:18.46 | frostschutz | better don't test it then? I mean, what kinda guarantee are you asking for here? ideally neither aptitude update nor aptitude upgrade should break your system, but there's only one way to find out |
| 17:18.51 | icebrain | osfd: testing is a moving target, there's no guarantees. |
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| 17:19.11 | frostschutz | always good to have a backup ... :) |
| 17:19.42 | icebrain | exactly - clone the drive, try it, restore if it didn't work |
| 17:19.47 | tharkun | osfd: if you have nvidia and any othere custom or fancy set up is likely you might run into trouble |
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| 17:20.02 | osfd | icebrain: yes, I know...but I'm not talking about stability, I'm talking about upgrading. |
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| 17:20.21 | osfd | tharkun: I precisely have a nvidia graphic card |
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| 17:21.04 | tharkun | !nvidia squeeze |
| 17:21.04 | dpkg | The nvidia drivers currently in squeeze are compatible with the squeeze kernel. No need for a testing/unstable mix now. Use either module-assistant or DKMS to compile them; ask me about <nvidia m-a> <nvidia dkms>. |
| 17:21.13 | IRConan | is there an easier way than backup,purge,reinstall to get apt to reset a config file? |
| 17:21.37 | tharkun | IRConan: do a backup berfore you play with it |
| 17:22.23 | osfd | tharkun: that does not look good to you ? |
| 17:22.44 | IRConan | tharkun: indeed... but basically I want to reinstall a single config file to that in the .deb |
| 17:22.54 | IRConan | can I do this or do I have to reinstall the whole package? |
| 17:23.05 | fruitwerks | any reason rsync would not backup contents of the var folder? |
| 17:23.32 | tharkun | IRConan: unpack the .deb file and restore by hand |
| 17:23.54 | IRConan | tharkun: that's quite difficult to script... seems like a simple feature which would save a lot of time |
| 17:23.56 | tharkun | osfd: I've heard a few problems with nvidia and squeeze |
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| 17:24.59 | osfd | tharkun: I love debian very much but I do have to admit that sometimes they're a bit late in packages version |
| 17:25.04 | keith4 | IRConan: yes, there is a way... hold on |
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| 17:25.28 | keith4 | !confmiss |
| 17:25.28 | dpkg | The reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>; |
| 17:25.31 | tharkun | osfd: Depends on what your personal needs |
| 17:25.32 | keith4 | IRConan: ^ |
| 17:25.41 | IRConan | osfd: sid is usually up to date... |
| 17:25.50 | IRConan | if you're after new versions you have to look there |
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| 17:26.29 | IRConan | keith4: that reinstalls all config files though... ideally I'd want to do it selectively |
| 17:27.11 | keith4 | IRConan: it won't overwrite changed files, i don't think |
| 17:27.33 | osfd | IRConan: yes but called unstable which makes you wonder if that a good choice... |
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| 17:28.08 | IRConan | osfd: you can't get stability and new package versions |
| 17:28.34 | osfd | IRConan: I do agree |
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| 17:29.07 | osfd | IRConan: might go to testing...I trying it with a VM |
| 17:29.27 | IRConan | osfd: best thing I find it to selectively pull from testing where you absolutely need it |
| 17:29.40 | IRConan | eg. I pull in irssi from testing for some new fixes/features |
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| 17:30.42 | osfd | IRConan: yes, I thought about that. for example I would like to get python2.6 but I don't know if it's gonna be a python2.6 binary or not... |
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| 17:31.42 | IRConan | osfd: if you pull in packages from testing it'll sort out your dependencies automagically |
| 17:31.50 | IRConan | use aptitude over apt-get ofc |
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| 17:37.08 | osfd | IRConan: so you think I can it a try |
| 17:37.24 | IRConan | yeah |
| 17:37.33 | IRConan | pretty sure I've got a debian VM with python2.6 |
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| 17:38.49 | jhutchins_lt | You guys do realize that mixing releases is one of the best ways to trash a system, right? |
| 17:39.35 | IRConan | jhutchins_lt: i find it works fine as long as you're careful |
| 17:39.43 | sed` | my mixed testing/unstable desktop has been working quite well for about 1½ years now |
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| 17:39.51 | beardy | !flv |
| 17:39.59 | IRConan | testing/unstable is somewhat different to stable/testing |
| 17:40.11 | IRConan | but still... as long as a package doesn't have too many deps that mix is fine |
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| 17:40.28 | sed` | ideally it shouldn't be a problem if all dependencies are defined correctly |
| 17:40.51 | jhutchins_lt | Still, it's not something that your average user should think is practical. It requires advanced experience. |
| 17:41.18 | jordanm | yes, if you want to mix your own systems, that is fine. please do not recommend it to others |
| 17:41.25 | IRConan | well the only alternative recommendation is a different distribution |
| 17:41.41 | sed` | aye, that's a valid point, jhutchins_lt & jordanm |
| 17:42.32 | osfd | is there any package to install every module with python like texlive with texlive-full ? |
| 17:42.56 | wols_ | no |
| 17:43.19 | osfd | wols_: nice |
| 17:43.42 | sed` | mixing requires knowledge & work in other distributions as we. i've seen many wrecked Gentoos thanks to tips like "just use ARCH='~amd64' emerge ...", deadly when used without thought |
| 17:43.45 | sed` | *well |
| 17:44.29 | jordanm | sed`: not quite as bad as ACCEPT_KEYWORDS in your make.conf though (I bought a VPS once and that is how it was configured) |
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| 17:45.11 | raboof | are there debian installers running a kernel 2.6.33 or later? |
| 17:45.18 | nazir | how i detect how modules for pythons are available and if there is PIL |
| 17:45.28 | wols_ | raboof: no. why do you need .33 for installing? |
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| 17:45.33 | sed` | jordanm: the problem with 'ARCH="~amd64" emerge foo' is that it's temporary and usually leads to problems or at least downgrades during the next world update |
| 17:46.13 | nazir | anyone ? |
| 17:46.26 | wols_ | nazir: apt-cache search python imaging library |
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| 17:46.49 | sed` | osfd: you _could_ do something like: aptitude install $(aptitude search "^python-" |grep -Eo 'python-[^ ]+' |tr '\n' ' ') |
| 17:46.56 | sed` | (installs all packages beginning with python-) |
| 17:47.14 | raboof | wols_: i'm trying to do a network install. my wired network card doesn't appear to be recognised at all, and for my wireless card it asks for a version of the iwlwifi-6000 firmwhere that is nowhere to be found |
| 17:47.14 | nazir | wols_: apt cache search on what ? (im not not familiar with apt) |
| 17:47.24 | wols_ | !tell nazir about grounding |
| 17:47.32 | wols_ | nazir: and I just told you |
| 17:47.34 | beardy | nazir: He just told you. |
| 17:47.58 | raboof | wols_: google suggests from kernel versions 2.6.33 onwards, the kernel understands the iwlwifi-6000-4 firmware (which I do find) |
| 17:48.08 | jordanm | raboof: you can load it off a usb drive. the package is firmware-iwlwifi. I am not certain on how exactly its done, but the install guide should include more |
| 17:48.18 | jordanm | !tell raboof about ig |
| 17:48.28 | nazir | wols_: i thought if apt-cache search on installed packages...im not familiar with apt but not with linux |
| 17:48.41 | raboof | jordanm: firmware-wilwifi only contains iwlwifi-6000-4 , the installation process asks for iwlwifi-6000-1 or iwlwifi-6000-2 |
| 17:48.45 | wols_ | raboof: no intel firmware will ever be in the kernel. so what you say is meaningless |
| 17:49.03 | beardy | nazir: It searches the package cache, all available packages. |
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| 17:49.27 | jhutchins_lt | wols_: He's saying that the later kernels may be compatible with the later firmware. |
| 17:49.32 | raboof | wols_: http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-825394-start-0.html suggests the .33 kernel will understand it can load iwlwifi-6000-4 (which I can provide) instead of iwlwifi-600o-1 or -2 (which I don't find anywhere) |
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| 17:49.51 | nazir | beardy: can i search for installed packages ? |
| 17:50.07 | wols_ | ah |
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| 17:50.19 | beardy | nazir: Yes. |
| 17:50.26 | nazir | beardy: something like pacman -Qe if you know |
| 17:50.27 | wols_ | nazir: dpkg -l |grep ^ii |grep <search pattern> |
| 17:50.30 | beardy | !list installed packages |
| 17:50.42 | simonrvn | !search |
| 17:50.42 | beardy | Well.. there you are. |
| 17:50.42 | dpkg | Please search for things rather than just asking, e.g. 'apt-cache search regex', or with <aptitude search>. The following ways can locate packages that own a file (installed, or candidate for install): 'dpkg -S /bin/foo', <apt-file>, <pdo> (online) and <help find> (bot). <search dpkg> for factoids. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt and ask me about <bot help>. |
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| 17:51.21 | nazir | thank you guys..sorry for stupid questions but im not user of debian i m just sitting on one and needed something |
| 17:51.56 | simonrvn | nothing wrong with asking for help when you don't know something |
| 17:52.26 | lennartack | Hi, is there any way to trick a program to bind to another ip instead of the first? |
| 17:52.56 | Bushmills | lennartack: its configuration |
| 17:53.01 | lennartack | there's no such option in the configuration |
| 17:53.04 | lennartack | and it's closed source.. |
| 17:53.16 | Bushmills | complain to the authors |
| 17:53.17 | wols_ | lennartack: port forwarding |
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| 17:54.08 | Bushmills | run it in a vserver, with the desired ip address assigned to that vserver |
| 17:54.42 | lennartack | you mean virtual server? |
| 17:55.19 | lennartack | okay thanks for the ideas |
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| 17:55.28 | Bushmills | i was specifically thinking of vserver virtual servers, but i suppose you could use other virtual server software for that too |
| 17:55.31 | raboof | hm, perhaps i could try the daily netinst builds |
| 17:56.07 | Bushmills | vserver because it is light, and its overhead is low |
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| 17:58.11 | lennartack | looks cool bushmills |
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| 18:01.34 | Bushmills | debian has recent precompiled kernels with support for vserver in its repos |
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| 18:03.59 | lennartack | oh I thought it was in de default lenny kernel.. I don't think I can have custom kernels with my vps :( |
| 18:04.29 | raboof | wols_: ha, the 2.6.32 kernel in the daily netinst build does look for iwlwifi-6000-4. nice. |
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| 18:06.16 | Bushmills | there is no "default" kernel in lenny |
| 18:06.46 | Bushmills | there are several kernels. supporting different cpu architectures, and levels of support for other things. like virtualisation |
| 18:07.32 | jordanm | yes, but loosely, default will be linux-image-<your arch> |
| 18:07.35 | lennartack | yeah whatever, I still have a kernel without vserver |
| 18:07.45 | lennartack | no way to install it as a module? |
| 18:07.47 | Bushmills | a kernel with vserver support is one of those "default" kernels |
| 18:09.00 | Bushmills | linux-image-2.x.xx-x-vserver-686 |
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| 18:14.10 | raboof | hmm. when i insert my usb disk, 'dmesg' in the netinst environment mentions the new devices, and they appear in /dev |
| 18:14.22 | martianlobster | Is there some system parameter I could adjust, if open fails, and perror gives me this error, "Too many open files" ? |
| 18:14.50 | raboof | but 'mount -t vfat,iocharset=iso8859-1 /dev/sdb5 /mnt/test' gives me 'mounting /dev/sdb5 on /mnt/test failed: No such device' |
| 18:15.08 | raboof | nothing obvious in syslog afaics |
| 18:15.14 | frostschutz | martianlobster: /etc/limits, ulimit -f or something like that |
| 18:15.15 | valdyn | martianlobster: like /proc/sys/fs/file-max? |
| 18:15.31 | martianlobster | thanks guys, I will look that stuff up |
| 18:16.17 | frostschutz | martianlobster: oh, ulimit -f was file size, ulimit -n then maybe, but do read the manpage or something |
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| 18:16.45 | martianlobster | ok :) |
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| 18:18.21 | aphyr_ | OK, I am well and truly flummoxed. Somehow I got sun-java6-jre stuck in status purge reinstreq half-installed. |
| 18:18.47 | aphyr_ | I can't install it, because 'I wasn't able to locate a file for the sun-java6-jre package' |
| 18:19.11 | aphyr_ | I can't uninstall it, because the package is in an inconsistent state |
| 18:19.44 | aphyr_ | At this stage, I'd settle for convincing apt that the package isn't installed... any ideas? |
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| 18:23.56 | raboof | gives up on the wireless install - the daily snapshot netinst also recognised the wired card |
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| 18:28.57 | Elshar | Hey, anyone have any experience resizing rather largish ext3/4 filesystems? I got this LVM array spanning ~8 disks that's now 3.7TB, and I want to expand the ext4 fs from ~1.6TB to 3.7TB, but the resize2fs runs for awhile then comes back with an error. The fs is okay after an fsck, but I'm kinda stuck now, I guess. |
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| 18:31.07 | jordanm | Elshar: what debian release are you running ext4 on?? |
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| 18:32.04 | Elshar | Lenny, I'm fairly certain. |
| 18:32.43 | wols_ | Elshar: what kind of partition table do you use? |
| 18:32.55 | GNU\colossus | wols_: no matter, as he's using LVM |
| 18:33.12 | wols_ | LVM doesn't use partitions? |
| 18:33.26 | GNU\colossus | no, it uses arbitrary blockdevices |
| 18:33.30 | GNU\colossus | as physical volumes |
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| 18:34.05 | Elshar | I thought I'd saved the error last night, as I threw it in google, but I don't have it atm. |
| 18:34.22 | Elshar | I'd reproduce it but 'after awhile' is like 2-3 hours, and then it takes a good 5-6 hours to fsck it. Not very fun. :) |
| 18:34.27 | jordanm | Elshar: well, ext4 support in lenny is "developmental"... and yeah, the error would be useful |
| 18:34.50 | valdyn | Elshar: grow it in smaller steps |
| 18:35.11 | Elshar | I thought about that. I might give that a try tonight. |
| 18:35.47 | valdyn | Elshar: and when you its grown to the new barrier you can easier reproduce and debug it |
| 18:36.09 | valdyn | Elshar: ...grows to the barrier where it throws an error. |
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| 18:39.34 | Elshar | Ah, found it in my history: resize2fs: Could not allocate block in ext2 filesystem while trying to resize |
| 18:41.01 | valdyn | Elshar: what's your resize command? |
| 18:42.00 | Elshar | Nothing special, just resize2fs /dev/FILESERVER/DATA. It then automagically attempts to extend the fs to the size of the lvm array |
| 18:42.18 | valdyn | Elshar: and what's your blocksize? |
| 18:42.26 | Elshar | Oddly enough, 1k blocks. |
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| 18:42.38 | valdyn | Elshar: then the maximum fs size is 2TB |
| 18:43.03 | Elshar | Ah, I was afraid of that. Any way to convert to 4k, or would I have to do a mkfs? |
| 18:43.20 | brad__ | hey, I've got a new server and lenny can't find it's hard drives. I'm going to boot into ubuntu and try an lspci |
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| 18:43.41 | valdyn | Elshar: cant convert, but you have enough space to create a new filesystem |
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| 18:44.08 | brad__ | but I'm after a few other suggestions, and I don't know the raid controller chipset |
| 18:44.09 | valdyn | Elshar: with ext4 you should be able to grow it too I think |
| 18:44.18 | Elshar | So just make a new fs on the free space on the lvm, transfer the data over, delete the original and expand the new one? |
| 18:44.22 | squisher | hmm, weird, two ssh sessions open to the same host, one of them seems to have timed out |
| 18:44.33 | squisher | any idea how that could happen? |
| 18:44.33 | valdyn | Elshar: so you probably just need an up to date kernel with proper ext4 support |
| 18:44.44 | valdyn | Elshar: unless resize2fs is not fixed for that case |
| 18:44.46 | haard | Can anyone give a hint why lenny/2.6.26-2-686 suddenly will not set DMA (hdparm -d1 /dev/hda gives 'HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Input/output error'. This is a cloud host with (according to support) Xen backend. Worked fine until recently; no software changes done from working->broken. An almost identical cloud host does not have this problem, and hosting company's support says thy have not seen this before/on other os:es. |
| 18:44.56 | valdyn | Elshar: ( and you need to convert your fs to ext4 ) |
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| 18:47.00 | Elshar | I'm using 2.6.31 right now. I suppose I could try 34 though, see if that does any better. |
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| 18:47.09 | valdyn | Elshar: no i doubt that |
| 18:47.10 | jordanm | haard: sounds like a hardware issue to me |
| 18:47.42 | Elshar | I'm definately going to do the new fs route though. I think I've finally made some headway after messing with it nightly for about a week now. Thanks :) |
| 18:47.48 | Elshar | If you're on tomorrow I'll let you know how it went. |
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| 18:48.58 | valdyn | Elshar: it seems that you need larger blocks either way as i cannot see e2fsprogs/stable having proper support yet |
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| 18:49.42 | valdyn | Elshar: work is underway for proper ext4 support, but i cant tell if that using that branch is advisable |
| 18:49.59 | helo | i didn't know setting dma was still relevant |
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| 18:50.07 | helo | or that it was relevant in a vm... |
| 18:50.10 | valdyn | helo: it isnt |
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| 18:50.34 | valdyn | helo: unless you are confronted with a broken driver on ancient hardware |
| 18:50.50 | Elshar | I could do it with ext3. That's what I started with, went to ext4 thinking it might help something. |
| 18:50.58 | helo | good :) |
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| 18:51.17 | valdyn | Elshar: the problem isnt ext4, its that e2fsprogs cant grow beyond ext3 limits |
| 18:51.23 | Elshar | Actually, I think the reasoning was I saw benchmarks saying the fsck times were 2-20 times faster or somesuch, figured I could get more than 1 try per night in :) |
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| 18:53.55 | helo | i don't know if i'll ever get around to reinstalling sid on ext4 |
| 18:54.21 | helo | eventually it is bound to be necessary... |
| 18:54.23 | valdyn | helo: you can just convert |
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| 18:54.35 | valdyn | helo: why would it be necessary? |
| 18:54.36 | Elshar | Yea, it's just a tunefs thing to go from 3->4 |
| 18:54.43 | haard | jordanm: yes, I think so too - just grasping for that straw right now =\ |
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| 18:55.28 | helo | valdyn: along a long enough timeline, an update to sid is bound to break sufficiently that a reinstall is easier than fixing it |
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| 18:58.04 | helo | hmm... convert indeed... |
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| 19:01.18 | Elshar | Is it fairly safe to run lvreduce on a lv that has data on it? |
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| 19:01.57 | meekatron | having problems looking at files over nfs share, i have a folder called music with dev/sdb1 mounted on it and in that folder another called mixes which has /dev/sdc mounted on it.. i cannot view contents of mixes folder on nfs share. any ideas? |
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| 19:03.58 | bazz__ | lindi-, you there ? |
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| 19:05.08 | pallgone | meekatron: and how are you exporting it? |
| 19:05.12 | lindi- | bazz__: yes |
| 19:06.06 | bazz__ | lindi-, your chroot howto worked once but i get an error last couple of time ..ive reinstall a couple of times |
| 19:06.30 | bazz__ | W: Failure while configuring required packages |
| 19:06.39 | meekatron | pallgone: that i cant remember the music folder works fine i can view all the files, it seems once i mounted this other drive inside the music folder called mixes i cannot see any files |
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| 19:06.57 | bazz__ | i tried changing 'fi' to 'uk' but same |
| 19:07.32 | lindi- | bazz__: what's the line before that? e2fsprogs? |
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| 19:07.46 | lindi- | bazz__: debootstrap.log should show you how it fails |
| 19:07.46 | bazz__ | im not in debian at mo |
| 19:07.56 | Gijs | people |
| 19:08.03 | bazz__ | ill mount the partition |
| 19:08.06 | lindi- | bazz__: my guess is that it's e2fsprogs that just can not be installed today in unstable |
| 19:08.07 | bazz__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:08.07 | Gijs | how can i check a process wich is using alot of bandwidth |
| 19:08.13 | lindi- | bazz__: just install squeeze and upgrade to sid |
| 19:08.23 | meekatron | pallgone: etc exports on the server is this /home/meekatron/music 192.168.1.1/24(rw,sync,no_subtree_check) hostname2(ro,sync,no_subtree_check) |
| 19:08.31 | bazz__ | yeah lindi- |
| 19:08.45 | bazz__ | ill try that thanks |
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| 19:09.22 | Gijs | anybody>? |
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| 19:10.35 | puty | hi everyone |
| 19:11.06 | puty | some program to audit web page on debian? security audit |
| 19:11.29 | petemc | nessus |
| 19:11.37 | spo0nman | hi, I'm using mysql-server-5.1 and when i create a innodb table ... it comes around as myisam. http://perl.pastebin.com/C6sKCLVV .... any ideas why? |
| 19:12.11 | puty | thanks. other one please? |
| 19:12.49 | spo0nman | http://perl.pastebin.com/ykQ7B3b5 <--- this is better |
| 19:12.55 | petemc | puty: apt-cache search security audit |
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| 19:15.54 | puty | thanks |
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| 19:17.01 | Gijs | how can i check a process wich is using alot of bandwidth |
| 19:19.11 | petemc | you can use netstat to show which port the app is using, and jnettop to show bandwidth usage for that port |
| 19:19.12 | puty | netstat |
| 19:19.16 | puty | sorry |
| 19:19.17 | puty | no |
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| 19:20.21 | puty | i make mistake i thouth that i am on termianl |
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| 19:21.46 | intx | anyone know how to fix the netfilter dcc chat -> disconnect problem? |
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| 19:23.20 | askhader | How would I go about downgrading a package to a version that is not currently in aptitude? |
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| 19:23.53 | wols_ | askhader: go to sdo and get the package, and install it via dpkg |
| 19:23.54 | wols_ | !sdo |
| 19:23.54 | dpkg | http://snapshot.debian.org/ is an archive of almost all Debian packages uploaded since 2005, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way non-free. This service replaces the old http://snapshot.debian.net/ site that is no longer maintained. http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100412 |
| 19:24.19 | askhader | Thank you |
| 19:24.48 | jordanm | intx: you can set your client to ignore ctcp requests |
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| 19:29.32 | drakeman | hey guys, im using debian lenny, i want to install a software from a rpm package, when i run the program i get some modules not loaded in kernel, can i add the modules manually? |
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| 19:30.07 | leini | hi you |
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| 19:30.26 | Bushmills | "the modules" - no idea. "modules" yes. modprobe |
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| 19:31.22 | ||cw | drakeman: what kind of modules? kernel modules will probably have to be recompiled for lenny's kernel version |
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| 19:35.57 | drakeman | ||cw The error is http://pastebin.com/MSYBf6h1 |
| 19:36.28 | ||cw | drakeman: so kernel modules |
| 19:36.36 | ||cw | a "yes" would have sufficed |
| 19:37.26 | drakeman | haah ok, te error is when i try to start the service |
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| 19:38.25 | drakeman | ||cw that file extensions is .ko |
| 19:38.50 | ||cw | yeah you need the modules recompiled for your kernel version |
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| 19:39.04 | ||cw | and being double take, good luck with that |
| 19:39.11 | tonsofpcs | where can I set options for scsi_mod in stable? |
| 19:39.48 | tonsofpcs | it seems stable uses /etc/modules instead of /etc/modules.conf , but that doesn't appear to be where scsi_mod is loaded..... |
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| 19:40.18 | TripleDES | oh my...upgraded yesterday my laptop and today is not booting.... |
| 19:40.33 | drakeman | ||cw but its hard to do? cauase doubletake doesnt have support for debian. just redhat |
| 19:40.35 | drakeman | or suse |
| 19:40.41 | amphi | !comfort TripleDES |
| 19:40.41 | dpkg | There, there, TripleDES. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 19:40.48 | TripleDES | hahaha |
| 19:41.01 | ||cw | drakeman: yes, unless you have the source code for their modules |
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| 19:41.46 | TripleDES | anyone using testing+lvm+crypt+softraid booting today ?? :D |
| 19:42.10 | cahoot | tonsofpcs: put the options in scsi_mod.conf in /etc/modprobe.d? |
| 19:43.02 | drakeman | ||cw :/ |
| 19:43.05 | drakeman | :( |
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| 19:43.46 | SuperMiguel | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:44.04 | Bushmills | X figures its config out automatically nowadays |
| 19:44.16 | rww | !xorg.conf |
| 19:44.16 | dpkg | From Lenny onwards, xorg mostly configures itself. Resolution is set by your monitor/graphics card (unless they're broken) or by your desktop environment or <xrandr>. From Squeeze, input hotplugging saves duplicating settings and restarting X after changes. The /etc/X11/xorg.conf file is usually no longer needed and is often blank. Manual configuration is still possible, see <xorg config lenny> <xorg config squeeze>. |
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| 19:44.20 | cahoot | SuperMiguel: not needed? |
| 19:44.22 | Bushmills | you create a conf file if you want to override those defaults |
| 19:44.38 | SuperMiguel | ummm |
| 19:44.55 | tonsofpcs | cahoot: there is no such file. do I just make it? |
| 19:45.19 | cahoot | tonsofpcs: yes - might at least be worth a try |
| 19:45.34 | tonsofpcs | do i prefix each line with "options" as previous or no? |
| 19:45.39 | cahoot | yes |
| 19:45.44 | tonsofpcs | ok, thank you, will try :) |
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| 19:46.11 | amphi | tonsofpcs: X -configure should generate one for you |
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| 19:46.48 | tonsofpcs | amphi: uh... I'm not running X and X has nothing to do with scsi ;) |
| 19:47.15 | amphi | tonsofpcs: oops, brain/channel fart |
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| 19:47.21 | gngkai | hi |
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| 19:47.59 | gngkai | I have 4 GB RAM and lenny kernel 32 bit recognize only 3.3, I've tried bigmem too, still 3.3Gb |
| 19:48.09 | gngkai | any hints? |
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| 19:48.19 | isfranc | your video ? |
| 19:48.49 | isfranc | embeded video card on motherboard gngkai |
| 19:48.53 | MartyD | bios settings? |
| 19:49.05 | gngkai | hmm |
| 19:49.15 | gngkai | it could be |
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| 19:50.18 | Smiley | hum |
| 19:50.29 | Smiley | iwcd doesn't seem to be on my deps? |
| 19:50.33 | Smiley | repos? |
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| 19:50.44 | abrotman | Smiley: packages.debian.org/iwcd |
| 19:50.56 | maligor | gngkai, try checking if your bios has a remap memory hole or something like that |
| 19:51.52 | ||cw | gngkai: funny thing about IGP's and memory maps, they take double |
| 19:52.24 | gngkai | ||cw: so no way to use 4GB I presume |
| 19:52.34 | Smiley | it shows on http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=wicd |
| 19:52.40 | Smiley | :| but I dont understand what Im looking at. |
| 19:52.48 | ||cw | you'll never see all 4GB with an 32bit system |
| 19:53.00 | maligor | ofcourse you can |
| 19:53.05 | \amethyst | ||cw: with bigmem, if your motherboard supports it, you should be able to |
| 19:53.15 | \amethyst | ||cw: you won't be able to use all 4GB in the same process of course |
| 19:53.20 | maligor | gngkai, you just need to enable memory hole remapping in your bios |
| 19:53.20 | ||cw | gngkai: pci devices have memory areas that have to be mapped starting with the 4GB limit and moving down |
| 19:53.47 | ||cw | ah, so new mainboards feature to allow mapping pci above the 4GB range? |
| 19:53.54 | maligor | ofcourse |
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| 19:54.00 | maligor | err.. no |
| 19:54.12 | maligor | it maps the extra memory above 4gb |
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| 19:54.56 | \amethyst | ||cw: no, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_Address_Extension |
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| 19:56.23 | Bushmills | ||cw: actually, the BARs of translating pci bridges (which interface the logic behind them, making the combination "pci devices") can be set anywhere. it is the northbridge which determines where RAM ends and where PCI address range begins |
| 19:57.37 | Bushmills | one restriction with setting the addresses is that it needs to begin on a multiple of pci page size, which are the lower bits of the pci address. a bit akin to netmask with cidr network addressing |
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| 19:57.37 | ||cw | PAE comes with a performance penalty |
| 19:58.07 | maligor | I don't think it's too big in PAE |
| 19:58.13 | maligor | PSE36 was |
| 19:58.24 | ||cw | it's often worth it |
| 19:58.29 | gngkai | ||cw: so it's better to go with 3.3Gb noPAE than 4GB PAE ? |
| 19:58.33 | tonsofpcs | hmmm... |
| 19:58.45 | ||cw | gngkai: depends on how ram staved you really are |
| 19:59.03 | ||cw | it's probably worth comparing |
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| 19:59.36 | tonsofpcs | cahoot: doesn't appear to be working, stull only searching lun 0 and none more |
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| 20:00.03 | Smiley | How would I go about installing : http://packages.debian.org/lenny-backports/wicd |
| 20:00.28 | Smiley | As I have no idea :( |
| 20:01.12 | rww | Smiley: http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions |
| 20:01.40 | Smiley | ty |
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| 20:02.11 | abrotman | gngkai: the performance hit is pretty minor on newer hardware |
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| 20:05.49 | qwd | if I want to start a video from the terminal but don't want the terminal "locked up" with that, how can I do this? do I put something before the command? |
| 20:06.17 | rww | qwd: put & after the command |
| 20:06.21 | lindi- | qwd: what program do you use to play video? |
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| 20:06.42 | petemc | qwd: do you want the video to be viewable somewhere else? |
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| 20:07.02 | qwd | rww: didn't seem to work. |
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| 20:07.20 | qwd | lindi-: vlc, but it might as well be a text file in gedit or something else |
| 20:07.34 | lindi- | qwd: & then |
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| 20:07.46 | qwd | petemc: nope, just here (though I'm not sure I understand the question :) |
| 20:08.38 | Smiley | what is this pinning about :/ |
| 20:08.42 | qwd | This is what I tried and the terminal is still "busy" with vlc. I don't know if it matters but I'm usign gnome-terminal and screen: vlc test.avi & |
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| 20:09.11 | ||cw | qwd: press enter |
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| 20:09.45 | tonsofpcs | qwd: you will still see the output of vlc unless you direct it somewhere else, but you'll be able to type at a command line |
| 20:09.54 | qwd | oh! thanks everyone :) |
| 20:09.56 | tonsofpcs | try it: vlc test.avi & [enter] clear [enter] |
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| 20:09.59 | ||cw | if vlc gives any output it'll put it in the way, you might want to also redirect to null |
| 20:11.12 | ||cw | like vlc file.avi > /dev/null 2>&1 & |
| 20:12.35 | qwd | ||cw: I don't mind the output, just want to be able to use the terminal again. thanks though |
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| 20:15.46 | qwd | oh apparently it keeps showing stuff if you do full screen in vlc so the tip did turn out to be useful for me :) what does the 2>&1 part mean? |
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| 20:16.23 | jordanm | qwd: I don't know if it was mentioned but if you have already started the job, you can use C-z followed by "bg foo" to move it to the background |
| 20:16.44 | StefanNET | chmod +0700 /home will do that users from /home/bla cant go to /home/la ? |
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| 20:17.21 | jordanm | StefanNET: that will make it so that only root can access home directories in /home. logins will likely fail |
| 20:17.33 | jordanm | StefanNET: you likely want chmod 700 /home/$user |
| 20:18.03 | tharkun | qwd: create a new screen inside screen with c-a n and do your othere stuff there, that is what screen is suppose to do |
| 20:18.07 | StefanNET | well i need when adduser on server |
| 20:18.18 | StefanNET | to he cant look other users on /home/ |
| 20:18.25 | tharkun | qwd: you can also create a new tab in gnome terminal |
| 20:18.33 | petemc | StefanNET: /etc/adduser.conf |
| 20:19.04 | beardy | qwd: tharkun meant Ctrl-a c |
| 20:19.46 | guevolt | Hi. I have a httpd issue: How can i use a ServerAlias for these domains: domain.com domain2.com and *.domain.com and *.domain2.com I tried: ServerAlias domain.com domain2.com *.domain.com *.domain2.com but didnt worked. |
| 20:19.50 | tharkun | beardy: thx c-a n is next screen :) |
| 20:19.58 | beardy | tharkun: Yep. :) |
| 20:20.00 | StefanNET | [10:18] (petemc) StefanNET: /etc/adduser.conf and? |
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| 20:20.17 | beardy | c for Create, to remember |
| 20:20.36 | StefanNET | $me? |
| 20:20.42 | qwd | yeah I know how to do that in screen, I just don't like having unnecessary windows open, even in screen :) |
| 20:20.50 | qwd | but the & thing works nice |
| 20:21.16 | beardy | As long as there isn't stderr output. |
| 20:21.21 | tharkun | qwd: the & works fine in bash if you use some other shell it might need some tweaking |
| 20:21.51 | StefanNET | need to go cya |
| 20:22.24 | beardy | qwd: If you don't want an unnecessary shell underneath it, you can 'screen someprogram' instead of using a whole new screen with a shell running. |
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| 20:23.43 | nazir | hi im doing bind9 i followed that guide...and when i ping my host it seems ok...but if i try run irssi and connec to some server it don display that host but IP |
| 20:24.18 | qwd | beardy: ah and it seems to close down when I shut down what was started, is that right? |
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| 20:25.05 | beardy | qwd: Yes, that's right. It only puts the output in a separate "screen-window", and closes it afterwards, since the program is the only thing running in it, until it closes. |
| 20:25.10 | nazir | any ideas ? |
| 20:25.24 | qwd | beardy: I like that solution, thanks :) |
| 20:25.46 | beardy | qwd: You're welcome :) |
| 20:26.16 | jordanm | nazir: your question is a bit hard to follow, but if I understand right you lack a reverse lookup zone with PTR records |
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| 20:27.05 | nazir | jordanm: yep |
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| 20:27.36 | jordanm | nazir: well, I guess the answer would be to create the proper zone |
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| 20:28.15 | tonsofpcs | where in stable are modules loaded? (and where should I put options for scsi_mod ?) |
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| 20:29.10 | abrotman | tonsofpcs: /etc/modules |
| 20:29.39 | tonsofpcs | abrotman: it's not there. |
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| 20:29.53 | abrotman | oh .. misread |
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| 20:30.12 | tonsofpcs | (scsi_mod is being loaded, I just need to pass "options scsi_mod max_luns=5" so that it finds all my luns...) |
| 20:30.25 | abrotman | /etc/modprobe.d/ IIRC |
| 20:30.30 | tonsofpcs | nope :( |
| 20:30.39 | abrotman | man modprobe ? |
| 20:30.43 | tonsofpcs | at least not that I can find.. |
| 20:30.51 | tonsofpcs | it might be buried in some complex script in modprobe.d |
| 20:30.51 | Smiley | http://pastebin.com/LTjakcYc |
| 20:31.02 | Smiley | the thoughts, "lol, what now" comes to mind :( |
| 20:31.08 | Smiley | I need something to control my wireless on my eeePC. |
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| 20:31.27 | Smiley | as it already works, I presumed that wicd would be the perfect thing |
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| 20:36.11 | multi_io | why is it that in aptitude, when I choose to install package X, and a conflict arises, and I go to the resolution screen, the first proposed solution is to not install package X? |
| 20:36.28 | Smiley | occums razor? |
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| 20:36.58 | petemc | heh |
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| 20:38.16 | Smiley | Should dbus be running on my system by default? |
| 20:38.16 | tavis | i can't use any of the fonts in t1-xfree86-nonfree or ttf-xfree86-nonfree even after i have installed them on lucid. Even tried installing maually from the font files. They continue to not register with xlsfonts. ideas? |
| 20:38.18 | multi_io | what does that have to do with occam? It's more like the tool is telling me to "nah, you don't want to do that". |
| 20:38.21 | multi_io | ?? |
| 20:38.34 | Smiley | simplest solution is generally the best. |
| 20:38.56 | Smiley | which would be "your system works, why break it?" |
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| 20:39.29 | Smiley | looks at his dbus problem and sighs |
| 20:39.30 | Smiley | :/ |
| 20:39.31 | multi_io | yeah, so the simplest solution to wanting to install Fancy-App-X is to not install it. |
| 20:39.38 | multi_io | ...because it may break something. |
| 20:39.43 | multi_io | that makes sense. |
| 20:39.43 | Smiley | nod. |
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| 20:40.58 | multi_io | that's an almost zen-like proposal to resolve conflicts, especially coming from a tool that is supposed to help you installing apps. |
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| 20:41.28 | multi_io | by that rationale, the perfect installation tool would be one that doesn;t install anything :-P |
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| 20:41.51 | \amethyst | afaik aptitude's scoring doesn't take into account what the most recently selected package is |
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| 20:43.18 | Smiley | hehe so..... dbus? |
| 20:44.01 | nazir | hmm created |
| 20:44.14 | handjob | Hi. What would be the apt syntax I should use to find for example ''mail'' program but I want the apt to print only packages that have ''mail'' in there name not in the description? |
| 20:44.23 | nazir | jordanm: created but still cant get it to work |
| 20:45.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | multi_io, the problem you pose to aptitude is not "install fancy app", but "fix dependencies" |
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| 20:46.22 | Smiley | why does debian not have a good pastebin package o_O :( |
| 20:46.44 | wols_ | Smiley: cause webpages change over time |
| 20:46.49 | Smiley | .... |
| 20:46.53 | Smiley | wgetpaste ftw :/ |
| 20:47.07 | Smiley | update the package then |
| 20:47.14 | Smiley | or at least make it easily configurable |
| 20:47.44 | jordanm | Smiley: because the maintainer does not care |
| 20:47.51 | Smiley | I figured that :;/ |
| 20:47.57 | Smiley | is currently looking at wgetpaste |
| 20:48.01 | Smiley | how hard is it to write packages :? |
| 20:48.06 | Smiley | with no coding experience? :D |
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| 20:48.09 | jordanm | Smiley: I submitted patches fixing pastbinit lenny, offered to do as much work as possible for the maintainer... he simply doesn't seem to care |
| 20:48.43 | jordanm | Smiley: see #572728 |
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| 20:48.59 | Smiley | can you fork it? |
| 20:49.06 | Smiley | I don't get how this stuff works... |
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| 20:49.18 | handjob | Maybe somebody will tell me how to order grep to search for match only in firs word of paragraph? |
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| 20:49.31 | jordanm | yes, I could fork it, but that would not get a fixed update into lenny (or any version of my fork for that matter) |
| 20:50.05 | \amethyst | handjob: how is 'paragraph' defined? |
| 20:50.07 | jordanm | handjob: is "paragraph" mean the line starts with a tab character? |
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| 20:50.26 | Smiley | well how come this maintainer is allowed to maintain this without actually doing that role :/ |
| 20:50.38 | Smiley | stabs dbus |
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| 20:50.48 | Smiley | it seems dbus is stoping my wicd working :( |
| 20:50.56 | jordanm | Smiley: hes not a DM or DD, so he is allowed because someone sponsered his package for him |
| 20:51.00 | Hydroxide | Smiley, jordanm: re pastebin: no updates of any sort are going into lenny or any other Debian stable release except for security fixes and sometimes really critical data loss bugs |
| 20:51.07 | jordanm | (which he is also an upstream maintainer on) |
| 20:51.15 | Smiley | :/ |
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| 20:51.28 | jordanm | Hydroxide: a bug with this type of severity would be suitable for a point release |
| 20:51.30 | Hydroxide | for etch they also once added additional kernel + X hardware support in a new set of packages. |
| 20:51.37 | handjob | jordanm: Lets day I am interested only in first word of every line printed by sudo apt-cache search salvation. |
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| 20:51.42 | handjob | *say |
| 20:51.51 | jordanm | Hydroxide: I found people mostly in aggreement on #debian-devel |
| 20:52.10 | Hydroxide | jordanm: what's the bug? I didn't see it in the last several lines of scrollback |
| 20:52.10 | Smiley | would it be fixed for future versions? |
| 20:52.10 | Smiley | :/ |
| 20:52.17 | Hydroxide | oh, there is a bug |
| 20:52.33 | jordanm | handjob: you should use aptitude, which has more advanced searching that would not require grep |
| 20:52.52 | Smiley | dbus.exceptions.DBusException: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.FileNotFound: Failed to connect to socket /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket: No such file or directory |
| 20:52.58 | Smiley | What Can i do about that :( |
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| 20:53.09 | jordanm | Hydroxide: it has 5-6 pastebin services. currently all but two (including the default), do not work do to changes in the websites they communicate with |
| 20:53.09 | Smiley | I'm guessing dbus isn't running |
| 20:53.18 | handjob | jordanm: However this knowlage can be usefull druing other ocasions, can You supply answer? |
| 20:53.20 | Smiley | but i have no clue how to start it and can't find anything on google :< |
| 20:53.28 | jordanm | handjob: grep '^foo' |
| 20:53.50 | jordanm | handjob: see "man 7 regex" |
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| 20:53.59 | \amethyst | handjob: if you want 'foo' anywhere in the first word, including 'barfoobaz': grep '^[^[:space:]]*foo' |
| 20:54.09 | handjob | jordanm: Thank You. |
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| 20:55.05 | jordanm | Smiley: if you think the pastebinit maintainer is bad: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=573745 |
| 20:55.16 | Smiley | heh |
| 20:55.20 | Smiley | this reminds me why I like gentoo :( |
| 20:56.23 | Hydroxide | jordanm: I'm not a stable release manager, but it seems like any solution that can fix it in a maintainable way (i.e. futureproof against additional pastebin.com changes) is probably not close enough to what's currently in lenny to make sense as a point release update |
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| 20:57.01 | jordanm | Hydroxide: in which case the new version can be backported... also something the maintainer has shown no desire to do |
| 20:57.04 | Hydroxide | Smiley: somehow I expect there are less-than-polite people in every sufficiently large project |
| 20:57.13 | Hydroxide | jordanm: well, there's no reason that has to be done by the maintainer |
| 20:57.14 | handjob | \amethyst: Thank You too. |
| 20:57.19 | handjob | Bye! |
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| 20:57.35 | Hydroxide | jordanm: backports.org uploads are frequently made by other people |
| 20:57.37 | jordanm | Hydroxide: it has to be done by a DD, e.g. - not me |
| 20:57.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | specially if the package is only a sponsored one anyway, I'd think |
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| 20:58.01 | jordanm | Hydroxide: the only DDs I know are the people I see on IRC... who would sponser a package to backports for me? |
| 20:58.10 | Hydroxide | jordanm: read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=contribute |
| 20:58.24 | jordanm | Hydroxide: I have, and I mailed the list about this. I got no replies |
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| 20:59.15 | Hydroxide | jordanm: I see a general inquiry from you to the backports list about how to become a DD |
| 20:59.22 | Hydroxide | jordanm: reread that link I gave you. |
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| 20:59.32 | jordanm | Hydroxide: I appreciate the advice but I have already been trhough this. |
| 20:59.33 | Smiley | I'm guessing nither of you know anything about dbus then? :( |
| 20:59.34 | Hydroxide | jordanm: it tells you how to prepare a package and submit it for review |
| 20:59.47 | Hydroxide | jordanm: you don't need to be a DD - that page specifically tells you how to do it as a non-DD |
| 21:00.22 | jordanm | Hydroxide: but I would require sponsership? I was not inquiering about becomming a DD... more on like how to get my key signed to start the proceedure |
| 21:00.37 | jordanm | as I understand, my packages can not even be sponsered if a DD does not sign my gpg key |
| 21:00.50 | Hydroxide | jordanm: you understand wrong, and either way the backports upload process is separatew |
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| 21:00.59 | jordanm | the wiki even mentions I should meet a DD in person |
| 21:01.01 | Hydroxide | jordanm: please read that page again - it says nothing about DDs signing keys |
| 21:01.08 | Hydroxide | jordanm: we're talking about backports here |
| 21:01.10 | Hydroxide | jordanm: not the main repository |
| 21:01.14 | Hydroxide | jordanm: it's separate |
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| 21:01.41 | Hydroxide | Non Debian Developer |
| 21:01.42 | Hydroxide | If you are not a Debian Developer, please upload your backport somewhere (binaries and sources, e.g. to mentors.debian.net), post a link to its .dsc file on backports-users@lists.backports.org and ask for review and upload. |
| 21:01.48 | jordanm | alright, I will backport the package... I am afraid that I am doing work that will not get accepted or ignored however |
| 21:02.04 | Hydroxide | jordanm: I can assure you that there's no magical requirement that's not stated there |
| 21:02.12 | Hydroxide | jordanm: on that page |
| 21:02.29 | Hydroxide | jordanm: your gpg key would be entirely irrelevant since you wouldn't be the one building or signing or uploading the package |
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| 21:02.37 | jordanm | Hydroxide: I have just been very intimidated by things I have read about getting packages sponsered and things like that |
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| 21:03.20 | Hydroxide | jordanm: it sounds harder than it is. even more so when you cling to misimpressions despite more recent evidence :) |
| 21:03.37 | Hydroxide | jordanm: good luck. |
| 21:03.41 | jordanm | I built a package over a month ago to get sponsered... but have been afraid to submit |
| 21:03.55 | jordanm | Hydroxide: thank you for the talk. I will take your advice |
| 21:04.10 | Hydroxide | jordanm: if you have a package that you think complies with Debian policy and the backports.org rules as described at that page, please follow the instructions on that page |
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| 21:05.55 | ChadStat | Hi, If I wanted to downgrade from AMD64 to i386 how would I do this? |
| 21:06.03 | ChadStat | Apt is only showing amd64 packages. |
| 21:06.19 | qwd | ChadStat: reinstall |
| 21:06.28 | ChadStat | not really a good option |
| 21:06.34 | Hydroxide | ChadStat: they're entirely separate |
| 21:06.45 | Hydroxide | ChadStat: what problem are you actually trying to solve? |
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| 21:07.20 | x1250 | guys, I have a server with etch, and want to upgrade to lenny. My concern is about config files. What is going to happen with local config files (like apache ones) when upgrading? are the new ones going to be saved somewhere? or the old ones? How does it work? |
| 21:07.54 | ||cw | ChadStat: if you just need to run some 32bit programs, install the ia32-libs package |
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| 21:08.24 | gernot | Damn. I accidentally clicked full screen mode in remmina which made the toolbar disappear. Does anybody know how to get out of that mode again? Esc or a double click won't do. |
| 21:08.41 | tharkun | x1250: do a full backup of your server before upgrading. Better safe than sorry |
| 21:08.59 | x1250 | yup |
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| 21:11.18 | ||cw | x1250: the upgrade will offer you to keep or replace your files, and also offer to show a diff to decide if anything is worth having from the new version. |
| 21:11.22 | mamalujo | hello. what samba misconfiguration might cause one not to be able to see one's own shares? can access other computers, more or less normally. turned off the firewall, all I get are timeouts on port 445 and 139, from which it seems to deduce NT_STATUS_ACCESS_DENIED error. have 'security=share' and 'guest account=nobody' in smb.conf? |
| 21:11.55 | x1250 | ok ||cw, thanks |
| 21:12.02 | ||cw | gernot: F11 is a common hotkey, i don't even know what remmina is though, ask them? |
| 21:12.12 | ||cw | x1250: I second the full backup too |
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| 21:13.02 | mentor | I'm trying to get postgres-8.3 to start but I keep getting the message "input in flex scanner failed" |
| 21:13.25 | mentor | That message doesn't appear to be coming from postgres; where is it coming from? |
| 21:13.32 | gernot | ||cw, thanks. remmina is a vnc client that shops with debian/gnome. they don't have an irc channel so i guess i'll have to ask the ml. what a stupid problem to have. |
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| 21:14.16 | Smiley | Is there any other wireless controlling tools other than wicd? |
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| 21:14.53 | peterrooney | is it? |
| 21:15.00 | peterrooney | ,versions remmina |
| 21:15.00 | ||cw | gernot: f11 not work? what about ctrl+enter, or crtl+alt |
| 21:15.01 | judd | remmina -- sid: 0.7.5-1; squeeze: 0.7.5-1 |
| 21:15.06 | peterrooney | ah. |
| 21:15.38 | ||cw | or move the mouse to the top middle of the screen |
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| 21:16.17 | gernot | ||cw, nope, no luck. maybe this full screen mode didn't consider people using a tiling wm or something. thanks for your help. |
| 21:16.30 | SuperMiguel | i just did a install of squeeze 32 bit and im trying to install flash, i went to adobes site and installed the .deb pack, now when i go a to a flash site it closes the browser, with a segmentation fault error |
| 21:16.49 | ||cw | nice |
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| 21:16.55 | Smiley | hum |
| 21:17.02 | Smiley | i should setup ssh'ing back into my laptop |
| 21:17.06 | Smiley | that'd make things easier :/ |
| 21:17.16 | Smiley | can't remember how to create the ssh file |
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| 21:19.11 | ||cw | Smiley: what do you mean |
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| 21:19.26 | gernot | ah, viewmode=1 in ~/.remmina does it. sheesh. |
| 21:19.34 | ||cw | don't you just forward a port on your router to it? |
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| 21:20.06 | Smiley | ||cw: I just need to install the sshd server on my laptop |
| 21:20.11 | Smiley | its not going in/out of the network. |
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| 21:20.42 | ||cw | apt-get install ssh |
| 21:20.43 | ||cw | done |
| 21:21.05 | Smiley | openssh-server |
| 21:21.08 | Smiley | openssh-client ? |
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| 21:21.26 | Smiley | o_O :D |
| 21:21.44 | ||cw | just ssh, it's a vritual package that include both |
| 21:22.06 | Smiley | oh |
| 21:22.07 | tonsofpcs | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:22.10 | tonsofpcs | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:22.10 | Smiley | I've already got the client :) |
| 21:22.18 | tonsofpcs | bah, stupid windows pastebuffer adding in a crlf |
| 21:22.18 | ||cw | no problem then |
| 21:22.22 | Smiley | public=yes |
| 21:22.30 | Smiley | tonsofpcs: erm two sec |
| 21:22.35 | Smiley | so you want read/write for everyone? |
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| 21:23.22 | ||cw | if auth and security and file ownership are of no importance, use force user as well |
| 21:23.35 | ||cw | espcially if you'll be using hte files local too |
| 21:23.52 | Smiley | http://pastebin.com/2FYUMxjb |
| 21:23.57 | Smiley | that worked fine for me |
| 21:24.03 | tonsofpcs | Smiley: yes |
| 21:24.21 | tonsofpcs | hmm, haven't seen the public directive |
| 21:24.49 | ||cw | Smiley: yeah but then when they make new file they will be owned by "nobody" and your local user won't be able to mess with them |
| 21:25.29 | tonsofpcs | ||cw: so force user = $localusernamehere inside the share definition? |
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| 21:25.35 | tonsofpcs | also, security = user or security = share? |
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| 21:25.49 | ||cw | yes, and user |
| 21:25.56 | ||cw | share is win95-like sharing |
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| 21:25.58 | tonsofpcs | danke, will try |
| 21:26.17 | gernot | macs can do nfs too. if you don't need user authentication that might be worth considering. |
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| 21:26.50 | ||cw | true, nfs tends to use a lot less cpu |
| 21:27.39 | Smiley | sweet |
| 21:27.44 | Smiley | ssh to my laptop |
| 21:27.46 | Smiley | this makes life easier. |
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| 21:28.33 | SuperMiguel | how do i get flash installed in squeeze?? abobe version is not working for me.. |
| 21:28.46 | Smiley | ponders |
| 21:28.51 | Smiley | now wtf was I doing? oh yes, keyless... |
| 21:29.22 | gernot | SuperMiguel, there is gnash, I guess. I would assume that the wiki lists alternatives to Adobe's version. |
| 21:29.36 | abrotman | SuperMiguel: the one from adobe.com? |
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| 21:29.41 | ||cw | SuperMiguel: try an adobe beta? |
| 21:29.43 | abrotman | SuperMiguel: and please stop asking boht networks |
| 21:29.48 | gernot | But realistically there is only Adobe's version of you want to watch stupid web videos. |
| 21:30.11 | sll | hi again |
| 21:31.26 | sll | is it possible to see today messages in this channel? |
| 21:31.29 | qwd | gernot: he *could* use clive to download the video and watch it that way. but then it'd have to be a video on a site supported by clive |
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| 21:32.19 | gernot | qwd, good point still. |
| 21:32.31 | lindi- | trusts youtube-dl |
| 21:32.51 | abrotman | has anyone asked how it does not work? |
| 21:33.27 | gernot | abrotman, he mentioned a segmentation fault that crashes the browser, I think. |
| 21:33.47 | abrotman | maybe get more details about which plugin he's actually using .. the adobe plugin works fine for me |
| 21:34.16 | tonsofpcs | the system is still crying login failed... |
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| 21:35.19 | tonsofpcs | gernot: how do I run a nfs daemon? |
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| 21:36.18 | ||cw | sll: if you want a log of the channel you kind of have to stay in it and set your irc client to log it |
| 21:36.27 | SuperMiguel | ||cw, tried beta version and still does the same :( |
| 21:36.35 | Smiley | sweet. passwordless entry setup ^_^ |
| 21:36.41 | Smiley | that was so much easier. |
| 21:36.45 | Smiley | ponders |
| 21:36.45 | abrotman | SuperMiguel: which plugin? from wherE? which version? |
| 21:36.47 | Ziber | ssh keys! |
| 21:36.48 | Smiley | now. |
| 21:36.51 | gernot | tonsofpcs, sorry, I can't tell you that off the bat. You'll find more tutorials than you'll be able to read on any major search engine though. |
| 21:36.57 | Smiley | wicd, WTF is with this stupid prog :( |
| 21:37.08 | ||cw | tonsofpcs: apt-get install nfs-kernel-server then edit the /etc/exports file |
| 21:37.10 | SuperMiguel | ||cw, so i copied the libflashplayer.so to /usr/lib/firefox/plugins and when i go to a site with flash the browser just closes |
| 21:37.10 | sll | :( |
| 21:37.20 | Smiley | hum |
| 21:37.23 | SuperMiguel | abrotman, from labs.adobe.com |
| 21:37.30 | abrotman | SuperMiguel: that's the wrong thing to do |
| 21:37.31 | Smiley | its not loading my proper shell? :< |
| 21:37.36 | ||cw | SuperMiguel: run browser from the command line and see if you get an error? |
| 21:37.49 | abrotman | SuperMiguel: file /usr/lib/firefox/plugins/libflashplayer.so ? |
| 21:38.19 | SuperMiguel | ||cw, yes segmentation fault |
| 21:38.28 | Smiley | why is it not loading my shell properly :< |
| 21:38.31 | SuperMiguel | abrotman, yes i have that file |
| 21:38.37 | abrotman | SuperMiguel: it's a command ... |
| 21:38.43 | ||cw | strace it? |
| 21:39.03 | Smiley | oh wait no i couldn't spell :) |
| 21:39.45 | SuperMiguel | abrotman, /usr/lib/firefox/plugins/libflashplayer.so: ELF 32-bit LSB shared object, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked, stripped |
| 21:40.02 | Smiley | http://pastebin.com/uCsaUXpc << Any idea wtf is stopping wicd-curses from starting? |
| 21:40.26 | abrotman | SuperMiguel: and file $(which firefox) ? |
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| 21:41.12 | SuperMiguel | abrotman, /usr/bin/firefox: POSIX shell script text executable |
| 21:41.26 | \amethyst | Smiley: dbus not running? |
| 21:41.27 | Smiley | It seems I dont have dbus :? |
| 21:41.29 | Smiley | :D |
| 21:41.44 | abrotman | SuperMiguel: is your debian 32bit or 64bit ? |
| 21:41.46 | Smiley | theres no hal or dbus (its an eeepc and came with its own weird install process... so I guess that could be missing?) |
| 21:42.08 | \amethyst | Smiley: is it even running Debian? |
| 21:42.11 | Smiley | which raises the question, how would I go about installing/starting dbus? |
| 21:42.14 | Smiley | \amethyst: yes ;D |
| 21:42.21 | \amethyst | apt-get install dbus |
| 21:42.24 | SuperMiguel | abrotman, 32 |
| 21:42.31 | ||cw | Smiley: this on that stupid xandros os? |
| 21:42.49 | Smiley | for these services, do I need to add them to some startup, or is that auto? |
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| 21:42.56 | Smiley | ||cw: its xandros no more. |
| 21:42.59 | Smiley | hense all teh weird questions ;D |
| 21:43.09 | sc30317 | Do I just need the first .iso to install debian 5 CLI? |
| 21:43.11 | ||cw | what do you mean no more... |
| 21:43.17 | abrotman | SuperMiguel: in a terminal, run iceweasel, and then use a pastebin |
| 21:43.19 | Smiley | xandros is gone. |
| 21:43.22 | abrotman | sc30317: you can use the netinst |
| 21:43.33 | Smiley | It was once Xandros, now its debian. |
| 21:43.50 | sll | ||cw: may be tomorrow at http://purl.rikers.org/%23debian/ |
| 21:44.14 | ||cw | as in, you put a debian cd on usb drive with unetbootin and reinstalled? |
| 21:44.21 | Smiley | yep |
| 21:44.28 | Smiley | I wiped Xandros off completely |
| 21:44.28 | sc30317 | abrotman, thanks |
| 21:44.33 | Smiley | Starting system message bus: dbus. |
| 21:44.33 | Smiley | Starting Network connection manager: wicd. |
| 21:44.41 | Smiley | That's going to help ;) |
| 21:44.45 | tonsofpcs | ok, how do I connect to NFS with OS X? |
| 21:44.46 | SuperMiguel | abrotman, the only error i get is segmentation fault |
| 21:44.54 | tonsofpcs | i tried nfs://ipaddress/ but that yells bad user/pass |
| 21:45.04 | Smiley | HOLY COW thats allota SSID's xD |
| 21:45.09 | abrotman | SuperMiguel: use a pastebin .. there should be more than that .. if there is not, then try `strace firefox` |
| 21:45.26 | abrotman | SuperMiguel: also .. before you do this, `aptitude update && aptitude full-upgrade` |
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| 21:45.39 | Smiley | it picks up more than my gf's laptop, wow i'm impressed. |
| 21:46.18 | Smiley | Will wicd ask me for wep/wpa keys? |
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| 21:47.17 | duxklr | Has anyone ever run Debian on Sun T2000 SPARC hardware? |
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| 21:47.29 | duxklr | looking for comments on stability |
| 21:47.32 | SuperMiguel | abrotman, you want everything from strace? (its alot) |
| 21:47.44 | abrotman | SuperMiguel: how about just the last 100 lines to start |
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| 21:47.57 | Smiley | and Why is dbus not a dep of wicd ? |
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| 21:48.44 | lindi- | Smiley: it depends on wicd-daemon which depends on python-dbus |
| 21:48.50 | SuperMiguel | abrotman, http://pastebin.com/bjG8ELJW |
| 21:48.52 | lindi- | Smiley: and dbus |
| 21:49.04 | Smiley | ok weird. |
| 21:49.07 | abrotman | SuperMiguel: did you do the `aptitude update && aptitude full-ugrade` yet? |
| 21:49.13 | SuperMiguel | abrotman, yup |
| 21:49.16 | Smiley | still, shouldn't one of the packages it installed pulled it in?! |
| 21:50.00 | abrotman | SuperMiguel: wtf .. are you seriously running a web browser as root? |
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| 21:50.13 | ||cw | haha |
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| 21:50.45 | Smiley | weird. |
| 21:50.56 | Smiley | wicd-client goes : loading.. |
| 21:51.00 | Smiley | connecting to daemon... |
| 21:51.06 | Smiley | blah blah blahl then "Done loading. |
| 21:51.11 | Smiley | but nothing on screen. |
| 21:51.24 | SuperMiguel | abrotman, ill run it again as regular user i was on my root terminal when i did it.. |
| 21:52.15 | SuperMiguel | abrotman, http://pastebin.com/UgkLR6vu |
| 21:52.43 | abrotman | SuperMiguel: aptitude install libcurl3-gnutls |
| 21:53.17 | SuperMiguel | abrotman, done |
| 21:53.43 | SuperMiguel | abrotman, it worked :O |
| 21:53.49 | SuperMiguel | abrotman, thank you very much =) |
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| 21:56.13 | ||cw | adobe deb dependency fail |
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| 21:56.29 | abrotman | ||cw: yeah .. if he hadn't used the tar.gz ... |
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| 21:56.46 | ||cw | I think he used the deb first |
| 21:57.21 | abrotman | if he used the .deb from adobe.com, that's the first part of the failure .. that package is likely broken for Debian |
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| 22:00.48 | tonsofpcs | ah, ok, needed to allow 'insecure' (non-reserved ports) to let the mac access. now, what is the format for nfs://[blah] for the mac? is it nfs://host/point or nfs://host/mnt/point or nfs://host/mnt/point/ ? |
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| 22:04.06 | buu | Hrm |
| 22:04.22 | buu | Anyone have an idea how I can get an xwindows machine out of 'power saving mode' (Where it's turned the monitor black/off) |
| 22:04.29 | buu | Er, doing that from ssh |
| 22:04.43 | poisonbit | xset ? |
| 22:05.18 | \amethyst | buu: DISPLAY=:0 xset dpms force on perhaps |
| 22:05.41 | buu | YES |
| 22:05.43 | buu | YOU ARE HERO |
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| 22:06.02 | buu | No longer do I have to rise from my couch to make my tv come back to life =] |
| 22:06.36 | abrotman | wouldn't it be easier to turn off power saving mode? |
| 22:07.04 | Smiley | OMG :o is that buu?! |
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| 22:11.46 | SuperMiguel | synclient changes are not permanent? |
| 22:12.22 | hufx | are there any live cds of sid that I can try out? |
| 22:12.51 | abrotman | hufx: no |
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| 22:13.17 | hufx | pity |
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| 22:13.53 | abrotman | yeah .. pity there's no image of an unstable os .. |
| 22:14.39 | hufx | thats not what ubuntu says |
| 22:14.53 | buu | Smiley: Where! |
| 22:15.16 | abrotman | hufx: then try #ubuntu .. have fun! |
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| 22:15.43 | hufx | sad really |
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| 22:16.32 | codewaffle | how do I list files provided by a package? |
| 22:16.43 | abrotman | codewaffle: dpkg -L or apt-file |
| 22:16.48 | codewaffle | apt-file |
| 22:16.49 | codewaffle | thanks. |
| 22:16.54 | codewaffle | I've forgotten that too many times :( |
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| 22:17.30 | iceroot | but dpkg -L just working on installed packages? right? |
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| 22:17.40 | tharkun | right |
| 22:18.00 | abrotman | iceroot: yes |
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| 22:20.07 | dmx | heya i was wondering if anyone could help me get my internal mic working on my hp mini 1000? (Advanced Linux Sound Architecture Driver Version 1.0.21.) (Codec: IDT 92HD75B2X5) |
| 22:20.09 | Smiley | beu your dead :< |
| 22:20.09 | dmx | err |
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| 22:20.21 | Smiley | hate to tell you, but its a fact ;D |
| 22:20.29 | dmx | thats what i get for repost a question |
| 22:20.40 | Smiley | dmx: you can die too if you want? |
| 22:20.50 | abrotman | uhm ? |
| 22:20.50 | Smiley | I was talking to buu. ;) |
| 22:21.01 | Smiley | right ok, heh im going away now |
| 22:21.05 | Smiley | its late. and stuff... |
| 22:21.07 | dmx | i can die? go leave IRC we dont need people like you here |
| 22:21.17 | abrotman | dmx: what about it doesn't work ? |
| 22:21.19 | Smiley | your taking this the wrong way. |
| 22:21.32 | abrotman | puts Smiley and dmx in different corners |
| 22:21.33 | hufx | abrotman: guess u dont konw what your talking about then... sidux 2010-01 "ÎÏνοÏ" |
| 22:21.35 | dmx | lemme redo it |
| 22:21.36 | dmx | heya i was wondering if anyone could help me get my internal mic working on my hp mini 1000? (Advanced Linux Sound Architecture Driver Version 1.0.21.) (Codec: IDT 92HD75B2X5) |
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| 22:21.49 | abrotman | hufx: that's not sid .. guess you don't know what you're talking about |
| 22:21.50 | dmx | abrotman, i didnt do anything its all Smiley |
| 22:21.57 | abrotman | dmx: /ignore |
| 22:22.10 | dmx | ? |
| 22:22.25 | abrotman | dmx: put Smiley on /ignore if you don't want to see what it has to say |
| 22:22.39 | dmx | abrotman, just drop it |
| 22:22.43 | dmx | i got mine said |
| 22:22.44 | Smiley | I'm gone anyway. He presumed on the moment he joined the channel that I was talking to him. |
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| 22:22.53 | abrotman | dmx: so why doesn't your mic work ? |
| 22:22.57 | hufx | abrotman: you might think that but I can read sidux is a full featured Debian sid based live CD with a special focus on hard disk installations |
| 22:23.04 | dmx | [00:20] <Smiley> dmx: you can die too if you want? |
| 22:23.05 | abrotman | hufx: it is NOT sid .. it is NOT debian |
| 22:23.09 | dmx | pretty sure it was for me |
| 22:23.14 | Smiley | sigh, whatever |
| 22:23.21 | dmx | abrotman, i dont know |
| 22:23.23 | dmx | driver issues? |
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| 22:23.25 | Smiley | laters and thanks for the help with wicd, seems to be doing what I want now o/ |
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| 22:23.42 | abrotman | dmx: i'll assume you've done the alsa mixer stuff to raise all the levels and make sure they are unmuted? |
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| 22:23.57 | dmx | yup spent 2h to make sure |
| 22:24.01 | hufx | abrotman: so this is false then? The ISO is completely based on Debian sid, enriched and stabilized with sidux' own packages and scripts. |
| 22:24.10 | abrotman | hufx: based on .. NOT IS |
| 22:24.11 | Bushmills | !based |
| 22:24.20 | Bushmills | hm |
| 22:24.28 | \amethyst | !debian based |
| 22:24.29 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't know what changes were made by your distribution and it probably falls short of Debian's standards. #debian only supports Debian; you should respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 22:24.33 | dmx | im an cli linux user ( servers ) just moved back to desktop linux |
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| 22:24.37 | abrotman | hufx: it even inlcudes stuff from outside Debian .. and if you hadn't noticed i'ts dated 01/2010 .. it is NOT Sid, it is NOT debian |
| 22:24.39 | dmx | confuses me abit |
| 22:24.59 | abrotman | dmx: but the output works just fine ? |
| 22:25.14 | dmx | yea everything else than the internal mic works |
| 22:25.31 | hufx | abrotman: semantics Id say |
| 22:25.38 | abrotman | hufx: fact .. |
| 22:25.46 | abrotman | dmx: which version of alsa-base do you have installed |
| 22:25.47 | Bushmills | dmx: if it *was* sid - why would you use sidux, instead of sid? |
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| 22:26.11 | abrotman | hufx: if you would like help with sidux, try #sidux on irc.oftc.net .. Sidux is offtopic in this channel |
| 22:26.25 | Bushmills | (not suggesting that that'd be a good option, though) |
| 22:26.40 | abrotman | Bushmills: you nicktabed the wrong person |
| 22:26.46 | Bushmills | true. |
| 22:26.49 | dmx | Bushmills, ? |
| 22:26.53 | Bushmills | sorry |
| 22:27.08 | Bushmills | both end with "x" |
| 22:27.10 | dmx | abrotman, how did i check that again? |
| 22:27.19 | dmx | Bushmills, its ok hehe |
| 22:27.21 | abrotman | dmx: dpkg -l alsa-base |
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| 22:27.30 | dmx | oh! |
| 22:27.38 | hufx | abrotman: I wasnt looking for sidux support and I never asked for any. so please refrain |
| 22:27.51 | dmx | abrotman, 1.0.21+dfsg-2 |
| 22:28.29 | abrotman | dmx: and you also have alsa-utils installed? |
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| 22:28.59 | dmx | abrotman, yea 1.0.22-1 |
| 22:29.48 | dmx | and i use xfce4-mixer 4.6.1-2 |
| 22:29.58 | abrotman | dmx: some of the sound drivers have flags for special settings for the sound card quirks |
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| 22:30.20 | jaybinks | anyone feeling in the mood to hack "ifupdown" to support "/etc/network/interfaces.d/" files ? :) |
| 22:30.46 | abrotman | dmx: lspci -nn .. which card is it? |
| 22:30.52 | dondelelcaro | jaybinks: why would you need to? |
| 22:30.53 | dmx | i didnt seem to find anything usefull abrotman, but my linux window manager skills are 6 years old and rusty hehe |
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| 22:31.13 | dmx | wow that shows alot |
| 22:31.18 | dmx | but its IDT |
| 22:31.20 | dmx | lemme check here |
| 22:31.24 | dondelelcaro | jaybinks: but in any event, there is #159884 about it |
| 22:31.55 | jaybinks | dondelelcaro : yea I want it because I want to script interface adds / deletes.. and using interfaces.d would make it a hell of a lot more secure |
| 22:32.16 | jaybinks | if I edit /e/n/interfaces then there is always the case that a corrupt script update could remove all interfaces on the system |
| 22:32.26 | dondelelcaro | jaybinks: are you adding physical interfaces? or just addresses to them? |
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| 22:32.30 | jaybinks | however if using interfaces.d it would be limited to only the interface being edited |
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| 22:32.41 | jaybinks | dondelelcaro : .1q sub interfaces |
| 22:32.42 | dmx | abrotman, what it says about audio seems weird |
| 22:33.03 | dmx | 00:1b.0 Audio device [0403]: Intel Corporation N10/ICH 7 Family High Definition Audio Controller [8086:27d8] (rev 02) |
| 22:33.15 | jaybinks | but same would apply to adding sub addresses |
| 22:33.15 | abrotman | an ich7 should be pretty well supported in squeeze/sid |
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| 22:33.25 | dmx | but i know that its IDT (fact) |
| 22:33.40 | dondelelcaro | jaybinks: in such a case, what I suggest you do is something like "up run-parts /etc/network/subeth_interfaces"; or similar, and have ip addr add fooaddr dev foodev; stanzas there (or similar) |
| 22:34.14 | jaybinks | ok... dont follow that 100% but ok :) |
| 22:35.05 | dmx | abrotman, but i know that HP has made the internal mic work in their ubuntu distro for hp machines |
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| 22:35.51 | intx | installing a kernel said something about how my default bootloader is grub, but it wants to use lilo.. |
| 22:35.57 | intx | where do i configure what my default bootloader is? |
| 22:36.07 | intx | i'm actually using lilo but i think somewhere in a conf file it says i'm using grub |
| 22:36.09 | dmx | else than that i gotta say, Debian has changed alot since last i used it as a desktop, everything worked (almost) wifi needed 3 commands and was fixed.. but yea only issue is the internal mic |
| 22:36.11 | abrotman | dmx: that was why i mentioned about looking at the module optoins |
| 22:36.11 | dondelelcaro | jaybinks: basically, the vlan subinterfaces should be brought up after the main physical interface, so you can call out to have them added specifically using the up and pre-down command options in the appropriate stanza |
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| 22:36.41 | dondelelcaro | jaybinks: and since you can call any command in the up and pre-down options, you can call run-parts (or similar) to have them bring up and down each of the vlan interfaces |
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| 22:37.07 | unkmar | how do I determine which video driver I am currently using in X? |
| 22:37.13 | dmx | abrotman, like in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf ? |
| 22:37.23 | dondelelcaro | unkmar: /var/log/Xorg.0.log will tell you |
| 22:37.41 | dmx | people that had this issue on ubuntu are talking about some alsa backports.. but im not on ubuntu so yea hehe |
| 22:38.07 | abrotman | dmx: modinfo <modulename> will list parameters .. you may also want to ask #alsa-project |
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| 22:38.24 | abrotman | erm .. #alsa, or check alsa-project.org |
| 22:38.33 | dmx | oh abrotman sounds like an idea :) |
| 22:39.26 | unkmar | dondelelcaro: mach64? |
| 22:40.08 | unkmar | dondelelcaro: woot! yes, mach64 now to figure out what this puppy can do. |
| 22:40.51 | dmx | abrotman, at first i thought that my internal mics worked, but i have a mic on my headphones lol |
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| 22:43.20 | dmx | hehe #alsa seems dead |
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| 22:47.32 | merlincorey | can I install a 32bit version of a library on a 64bit machine? |
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| 22:47.39 | dondelelcaro | merlincorey: yes |
| 22:47.54 | dondelelcaro | !tell merlincorey -about real question |
| 22:47.54 | merlincorey | is it just like a -t but a switch for the arch? |
| 22:48.01 | merlincorey | thanks dondelelcaro |
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| 22:48.32 | merlincorey | my real problem is that I don't know how to go about installing it |
| 22:48.47 | merlincorey | that's why I'm here |
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| 22:49.30 | merlincorey | I already have the library installed but it's 64bit... I need a corresponding version to go into /lib32 |
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| 22:52.18 | merlincorey | how do I install the corresponding 32 bit version of a library I already have installed? |
| 22:52.32 | merlincorey | or just the 32bit is fine I don't really need the 64bit version |
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| 22:54.19 | puty | debian lenny - nikto 2.02 |
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| 22:58.40 | x1250 | guys, I'm planning to upgrade my etch installation. I am using this command to make a local backup of remote server. Should I feel on the safe side using this command? |
| 22:58.40 | x1250 | rdiff-backup --exclude /tmp --exclude /mnt --exclude /proc --exclude /dev --exclude /sys root@somedomain::/ /home/daniel/backup/somedomain |
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| 23:03.07 | Arrowmaster | grumbles about his uptimed history being lost from a power failure |
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| 23:04.00 | merlincorey | dondelelcaro: any help? apt-get(8) isn't too instructive and no one else here seems to know what I am getting at ;) |
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| 23:05.22 | Arrowmaster | merlincorey: which library? |
| 23:05.49 | merlincorey | Arrowmaster: libusb-0.1 |
| 23:06.27 | mnuhmnuh | x1250: what's your recovery plan? |
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| 23:06.47 | Arrowmaster | merlincorey: install ia32-libs |
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| 23:07.44 | ldleworker | Can someone explain to me the proper way to install software from future-release repositories such as squeeze, lenny-backports and sid through apt-get or similar apt utility? |
| 23:07.52 | merlincorey | ah lovely |
| 23:07.56 | merlincorey | thanks Arrowmaster |
| 23:08.39 | merlincorey | totally forgot about that addition :) |
| 23:08.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | ldleworker, you should either install packages from backports (ask the bot: /msg dpkg bpo ) or backport them yourself ( /msg dpkg ssb ) |
| 23:09.41 | ldleworker | CutMeOwnThroat, heh |
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| 23:11.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | ldleworker, mixing testing/unstable into stable is possible, but generally discouraged ( /msg dpkg stable/testing mix ) |
| 23:12.10 | x1250 | mnuhmnuh, i don't have one yet, but I guess I would try to mount partitions one by one, since I use different partitions for /usr/ /tmp /boot, etc, and use rdiff-backup to copy what is needed to the remote server, to those particular partitions |
| 23:13.07 | ldleworker | CutMeOwnThroat, this next question is out of true ignorance. What's the difference really between versions beyond maybe where something might be stored? |
| 23:13.23 | ldleworker | CutMeOwnThroat, iow what could possibly go wrong? |
| 23:13.38 | ldleworker | (again, I'm just asking to know) |
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| 23:16.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | ? |
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| 23:16.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | ldleworker, you mean mixing or ... I don't get the question |
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| 23:18.18 | ldleworker | mixing testing/unstable into stable is possible, but generally discouraged |
| 23:18.31 | ldleworker | I'm saying if I directly install a package from squeeze on lenny, what could go wrong? |
| 23:18.41 | poisonbit | libc etc |
| 23:18.59 | poisonbit | ldlework, a debian package has some properties (dependencies, versions, incompatibilities, (pre/post)(un)installation scripts, etc) and mantainers think in squeeze as "squeeze" and not "squeeze+lenny+sid+backports+custom_foo on one system" in mind for those properties |
| 23:19.40 | poisonbit | all your system is compiled oer a toolchain (and toolchain versions) |
| 23:19.50 | poisonbit | gcc, libc, and over layers |
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| 23:20.22 | poisonbit | mixing is discouraged, because of umpredictable behavioe |
| 23:20.27 | poisonbit | behavior |
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| 23:21.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | ldleworker, packages are compiled against different versions of the libraries than you run them with. |
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| 23:21.55 | mnuhmnuh | x1250: just checkin'. sounds good. |
| 23:22.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | I guess generally libs should be backwards-compatible, but ... anyway, that means you're running a combination that has never been tested - hardly the definition of "stable" |
| 23:23.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | ldleworker, also, the potential damage can be huge - suppose you have a library many programs depend on and the program you mix in pulls that in, but all programs from stable that use it start to segfault... |
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| 23:26.27 | ldleworker | CutMeOwnThroat, in theory it should be painless to simply change the source repository and reinstall the older version |
| 23:26.39 | poisonbit | fail |
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| 23:26.51 | wnight | A game locked up in fullscreen but the machine is up. How do I reset graphics and inputs without just restarting X? |
| 23:27.17 | abrotman | xrandr |
| 23:27.27 | poisonbit | ctrl + alt + f1 -> kill $pid_of_game |
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| 23:27.52 | karmatronic | hi guys |
| 23:28.03 | abrotman | poisonbit: game already dead ? |
| 23:28.09 | abrotman | oh, locked up |
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| 23:28.43 | karmatronic | !squeeze |
| 23:28.43 | dpkg | Squeeze is the codename for the next release, Debian GNU/Linux 6.0. It is the three-eyed space alien. Check http://www.debian.org/News/ for current status and ask me about <testing>. Not to be confused with the <Xfce> archive manager. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSqueeze . See also <squeeze kernel>. |
| 23:28.51 | poisonbit | ldlework, backport any lenny package as unsigned .deb use to be easy and use to work |
| 23:28.52 | wnight | It's locked beyond recognizing ctrl-alt-f1 |
| 23:28.58 | abrotman | wnight: ssh in ? |
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| 23:29.08 | poisonbit | unlees yo go with base system backports that are more dificult |
| 23:29.38 | wnight | I am. From a palmtop. Slow typing. |
| 23:29.54 | poisonbit | wnight, then keyboard is off.. you can't restart X too |
| 23:29.56 | wnight | I'll investigate xrandr |
| 23:30.21 | poisonbit | ssh or acpi button |
| 23:30.30 | abrotman | wnight: i misread, i thought your resolution was stuck .. you'll have to ssh in and kill the game |
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| 23:31.42 | wnight | I killed it already |
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| 23:32.30 | poisonbit | wnight, and is your xserver responding now ? |
| 23:33.25 | wnight | no. no response frrom inputs. This is it I'm ircing on though... |
| 23:33.50 | poisonbit | usb or PS2 ? |
| 23:33.57 | wnight | usb |
| 23:34.04 | poisonbit | if usb you can try unplug and plug again |
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| 23:34.32 | wnight | I haven't tried to restart X yet. |
| 23:34.39 | poisonbit | why ? |
| 23:34.47 | poisonbit | do you use gnome or kde ? |
| 23:35.04 | poisonbit | you can try something like kill -HUP $(pgrep nautilus) |
| 23:35.27 | poisonbit | or pgrep panel, or pgrep any desktop related proccess |
| 23:35.30 | wnight | Just didn't want to lose anything that might be unsaved. |
| 23:35.33 | wnight | kde |
| 23:36.13 | poisonbit | mmm in gnome you can send HUP signal to things (nautilus is restarted, but you don't loose iceweasel tabs or openoffice docs) |
| 23:36.36 | wnight | I was hoping there was an X11 --cleanly-reset orr something. |
| 23:36.40 | poisonbit | i don't know abou kde since 2002/3 |
| 23:36.57 | poisonbit | some WM has |
| 23:37.04 | poisonbit | a desktop environment is more complex |
| 23:37.48 | poisonbit | enlightenment, fluxbox, etc can be restarted cleanly without loosing your xapps |
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| 23:38.18 | poisonbit | well in general you need input (keyb or mouse) working for that |
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| 23:41.17 | poisonbit | wnight, do you have another computer with VNC viewer? you can try so save your froozen session things with vnc |
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| 23:41.27 | unfancy | hello |
| 23:41.43 | unfancy | i got this problem: http://serverfault.com/questions/23397/resolving-host-names-to-their-domain-name-in-an-internal-bind-domain |
| 23:41.51 | unfancy | but the solution doesn't help :( |
| 23:42.07 | unfancy | i put search and domain unfancy.ath.cx in resolv.conf which changed nada.. |
| 23:42.17 | Niggardly | unfancy: try sudo rm -rf / |
| 23:42.23 | unfancy | yet snake.unfancy.ath.cx resolves and snake (without hostname in the end) does not :( |
| 23:42.28 | unfancy | Niggardly: go fuck yourself :) |
| 23:42.32 | Niggardly | XD |
| 23:42.38 | unfancy | i do not have sudo configured :P |
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| 23:42.55 | themill | Niggardly: seriously... don't be a pratt. |
| 23:43.53 | unfancy | i just wonder why it would resolve correctly with "snake.unfancy.ath.cx" but not just "snake" even tho i added "search unfancy.ath.cx" to resolv.conf :( |
| 23:44.09 | unfancy | sounds.... really odd |
| 23:44.27 | karmatronic | unfancy: maybe you could check nswitch.conf |
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| 23:45.08 | karmatronic | unfancy: and be sure the line with hosts: also contains dns |
| 23:45.14 | themill | unfancy: how have you set up this resolution? /etc/hosts or a dns server? |
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| 23:45.37 | unfancy | karmatronic: sure does |
| 23:45.43 | karmatronic | unfancy: ok |
| 23:45.52 | unfancy | its a local caching bind nameserver |
| 23:45.54 | wnight | K, I'm back. Thanks for the help. In the end I had to kill X. |
| 23:46.07 | unfancy | as i said.. snake.unfancy.ath.cx resolves but "snake" does not :( |
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| 23:46.30 | unfancy | ohhh!! |
| 23:46.49 | unfancy | now i get it.. only "dig" does not resolve it since i added the "domain" line |
| 23:46.52 | unfancy | what in a ... |
| 23:47.16 | wnight | poisonbit: abrotman: Thanks for the ideas. |
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| 23:48.40 | unfancy | oh well then... thanks and i will be rm -rf'ing my root |
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| 23:56.11 | wnight | Weird. Now when I go back into the game it crashes at about the same place. But this time I was able to just kill it. |
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| 23:58.56 | wnight | And now just graphical glitches. It's always worked well before, I wonder why it's having problems now. What's still wrong and causing problems? |
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