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| 00:00.47 | wnight | Ahhh, kernel: [4874504.229192] Xorg[5279]: segfault at b6898000 ip b696fb34 sp bf80e810 error 6 in nvidia_drv.so[b692a000+326000] |
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| 00:02.03 | wnight | Well, it wasn't the cause. It appears to have been caused by my killed X based on the time. |
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| 00:11.28 | jalalsfs | Hi |
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| 00:12.28 | jalalsfs | I want upgrade Gnome and linux-image by apt, What can I do? |
| 00:12.57 | ham5 | change repos to one that has the upgraded gnome and linux-image you want |
| 00:13.30 | ham5 | build from source use debian tools to make debs and install |
| 00:13.36 | jalalsfs | ham5: How? |
| 00:13.46 | ham5 | gtg bye |
| 00:13.57 | abrotman | jalalsfs: which version of gnome do you want? |
| 00:14.19 | jalalsfs | The last version. |
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| 00:16.18 | abrotman | jalalsfs: if you're asking how, then you're probably not capable of fixing all the other issues |
| 00:16.23 | abrotman | !tell jalalsfs about lenny->squeeze |
| 00:16.35 | ham5 | pfff yea ns |
| 00:16.45 | ham5 | f baby sitting |
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| 00:17.32 | jalalsfs | I hear before about packback! |
| 00:18.26 | abrotman | backport? not for gnome .. |
| 00:18.33 | jalalsfs | By packback you not need change your lenny to squeeze. |
| 00:18.45 | jalalsfs | Oh! |
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| 00:25.36 | mnuhmnuh | jalalsfs: are you just trying to apt-get update && apt-get safe-upgrade |
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| 00:25.57 | themill | s/apt-get/aptitude/g |
| 00:26.13 | mnuhmnuh | jalalsfs: sanity chk /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 00:26.23 | jalalsfs | mnuhmnuh: I tried it before. |
| 00:26.44 | mnuhmnuh | jalalsfs: need it to work correctly. |
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| 00:27.36 | jalalsfs | http://pastebin.org/281177 |
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| 00:27.59 | mnuhmnuh | themill: with stuff like gnome in the mix, i trust apt-get more. |
| 00:28.20 | themill | mnuhmnuh: you might like to try out "apt-get safe-upgrade" the |
| 00:28.21 | themill | n |
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| 00:29.34 | dirkson | Ok. How does one restart alsa? |
| 00:29.58 | Appetite | Anyone know a good way to see exact read/write speed for a drive? |
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| 00:30.06 | dirkson | Appetite: hdparm -Tt |
| 00:30.47 | Appetite | ah thanks a ton dirkson |
| 00:31.13 | dirkson | Appetite: Not a problem : ) |
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| 00:31.23 | mnuhmnuh | jalalsfs: looks good. as root, "script" then blahblah update && blahblah safe-upgrade |
| 00:31.31 | Appetite | dirkson: do you know what cache speed and read speed i should have for a 7200rpm drive over sata? |
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| 00:32.35 | mnuhmnuh | themill: ah! thx! safe-upgrade doesn't work with apt-get? |
| 00:33.09 | dirkson | Appetite: 900 and 80-90mb/s are modern era drives, I /think/. |
| 00:33.22 | Appetite | dirkson: alright, any hint on how to fix this? ;p |
| 00:33.22 | Appetite | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:33.32 | themill | mnuhmnuh: safe-upgrade is a command for aptitude, not apt-get. And yes, you'd almost always be better off doing large upgrades with aptitude rather than apt-get. |
| 00:33.40 | dirkson | Appetite: Did you custom compile your kernel? |
| 00:33.46 | Appetite | dirkson: no |
| 00:34.00 | dirkson | Appetite: No idea. Something is wrong ^^ |
| 00:34.06 | Appetite | yeah, mondo is complaining |
| 00:34.27 | filitov | Appetite : mine are 460 MB/s and 57 MB/s |
| 00:34.49 | Appetite | FilipeMaia: ok, i just got 599.25 MB/s and 106.52 MB/s |
| 00:34.56 | Appetite | so i assume mine are working fine ;p |
| 00:35.10 | dirkson | Appetite: Hmm. Alrighty |
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| 00:36.03 | dirkson | Appetite: I'm getting... 1mb/s?! WTF. Ok, something is wrong with /my/ setup |
| 00:36.25 | mnuhmnuh | themill: thx. I use a mostly minimalist system. Gnome/KDE need aptitude. |
| 00:37.11 | filitov | Appetite : What kind of disks are you using ? |
| 00:37.43 | themill | mnuhmnuh: no, most large upgrades run better with aptitude rather than apt-get (even etch->lenny with only a base install for most of lenny's development cycle) |
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| 00:38.51 | mnuhmnuh | themill: I've seen too many "need to remove 4000 packages" from aptitude. :-P |
| 00:39.12 | themill | not with a base system you haven't... |
| 00:39.20 | beardy | Then you're doing it wrong. |
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| 00:39.38 | mnuhmnuh | probably. |
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| 00:45.05 | Appetite | filitov: seageate barracude 7200rpm 500gb |
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| 00:45.18 | Appetite | cuda* |
| 00:46.31 | Appetite | anyone know of a bckup tool besides mondo? |
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| 00:47.22 | nevyn | amanda... bacula... ummm.. |
| 00:47.23 | nevyn | yeah |
| 00:47.31 | Appetite | amanda is non-gui? |
| 00:49.09 | nevyn | umm yeah. |
| 00:49.14 | Appetite | k |
| 00:49.23 | nevyn | so's bacula |
| 00:49.57 | Appetite | do you prefer either one? |
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| 00:50.18 | nevyn | which is to say bacula does have a gui... but amanda is easier to get working if you have simple needs |
| 00:50.27 | nevyn | Appetite: depends. |
| 00:50.59 | Appetite | on what? |
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| 00:56.12 | Salvia | lol |
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| 00:58.35 | Pecker | cls |
| 00:58.47 | Pecker | oh shit this isnt cmd |
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| 00:59.48 | Tux^verdreifelt | lol |
| 00:59.51 | Tux^verdreifelt | indeed. |
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| 01:10.28 | brokuntu | why should i use debian not openbsd |
| 01:10.46 | streuner_ | brokuntu: /msg dpkg why debian |
| 01:10.50 | brokuntu | ive been a long term ubuntu user, now i install it i cant see a damn thing on my monitor |
| 01:10.56 | brokuntu | i love ubuntu |
| 01:11.07 | brokuntu | but its time to be practical, new distro |
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| 01:12.35 | brokuntu | which is the minimalist debian install cd that contains the USB HSDPA option modem driver so i can get a nice system with just what i want on |
| 01:12.53 | brokuntu | or better yet |
| 01:13.12 | brokuntu | some guru tell me a command to turn this into debian system (wiping hd) from my ubuntu live cd :) |
| 01:13.17 | brokuntu | that's got to be logworthy |
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| 01:14.37 | hiexpo | ? does debrun the same packages as ubuntu |
| 01:14.44 | brokuntu | mostly |
| 01:14.45 | hiexpo | debian |
| 01:15.06 | brokuntu | ubuntu will run a lot of deb packages but not all |
| 01:15.15 | brokuntu | debian proably will run no ubuntu packages |
| 01:15.52 | nomasteryoda | but are ubuntu pkgs really needed |
| 01:15.54 | nomasteryoda | ? |
| 01:16.14 | mnuhmnuh | brokuntu: build second box ... sandbox |
| 01:16.17 | hacker_kid | in reality it depends on the packages, almost all ubuntu packages are just modified debian packages |
| 01:17.09 | brokuntu | can someone register a nick for me how am i supposed to register from irssi in command line with lynx my passwords all encrypted in a program that runs under X |
| 01:17.23 | Walhter | ok, what's going on with grub in 64bit version? why update-grub does not work |
| 01:17.49 | brokuntu | ok |
| 01:17.58 | brokuntu | why should i use debian not openbsd |
| 01:18.05 | abrotman | brokuntu: /msg nickserv help |
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| 01:18.27 | brokuntu | abrotman: i cant access mail like this without extreme pain and its not worth the effort |
| 01:18.29 | mnuhmnuh | brokuntu: use both. educational. |
| 01:18.45 | brokuntu | i dont need to learn i need functionality |
| 01:18.57 | brokuntu | oh hell ill install fedora i hate them to hell but its a fine distro |
| 01:18.58 | abrotman | then pick the one you're most comfortable with |
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| 01:21.21 | Walhter | he's here just to troll |
| 01:21.32 | Walhter | it's old |
| 01:22.14 | Walhter | 'nix wars was so '00's |
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| 01:23.27 | streuner | Dont feed |
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| 01:24.59 | mnuhmnuh | "i dont need to learn i need functionality" - pathetic. |
| 01:25.25 | hacker_kid | mnuhmnuh, amen, thats what winblows is for |
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| 01:26.10 | hiexpo | click n go |
| 01:26.25 | brokuntu | ok im installing debian |
| 01:27.00 | brokuntu | because ubuntu cant release a distro that doesnt make my monitor not turn off then spend 5 hours "helping" in a loop going nowhere with my monitor still turning off |
| 01:27.05 | ikonia | stop crying |
| 01:27.07 | ikonia | install debian |
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| 01:27.10 | brokuntu | debian people would be able to help me if this happened right |
| 01:27.18 | ikonia | stop trying to blackmail everyone "I'm using ubuntu, I'm using fedora, I'm installing debian" |
| 01:27.30 | abrotman | brokuntu: do you need help finding the installation media, or are you just going to keep blabbing ? |
| 01:27.31 | brokuntu | ikonia: stop giving me direction |
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| 01:27.49 | ikonia | abrotman: he's just been banned for ranting about it in #ubuntu, so you guess |
| 01:27.52 | themill | brokuntu: please take a break from #debian for a while and be more signal and less noise when you come back |
| 01:27.57 | abrotman | oh, maybe he'll get angry and go back to #ubuntu :) |
| 01:28.01 | ikonia | he won't :) |
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| 01:29.18 | ikonia | I missed wols, not seem him in ages, drat |
| 01:29.24 | hiexpo | he can't klick no go so he whines about instead of learning |
| 01:29.32 | abrotman | move along |
| 01:29.39 | frex | When i tried to rm -rf /path/to/foo over ssh, my connection is being disconnected. :S |
| 01:29.49 | frex | I'm not sure whats wrong. Any ideas? |
| 01:30.01 | ikonia | frex: it's not your tty is it ;) |
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| 01:30.50 | abrotman | frex: what are you actually deleting ? |
| 01:31.05 | frex | abrotman: It's is a big folder. |
| 01:31.13 | frex | abrotman: even huge. |
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| 01:32.20 | frex | ikonia: what did you mean " it is not your tty" ? |
| 01:32.43 | rzeka | I've got a problem with PEAR. I installed it and I installed HTML_BBCodeParser via 'pear install HTML_BBcodeParser', but anyway I cannot use it. It's a 64bit lenny |
| 01:33.20 | ikonia | frex: sorry, I was kidding, you're not removing /dev/pts/0 are you |
| 01:33.53 | frex | No, I'm not :) |
| 01:34.35 | ikonia | frex: sorry, bad joke when someone needed help |
| 01:35.04 | abrotman | frex: what happens if you start screen, and try it from in there? |
| 01:35.45 | ikonia | frex: does ssh -vv show anything odd when you connect ? |
| 01:36.10 | Appetite | what source line is needed to install the 'snoopy' package? |
| 01:36.22 | frex | ikonia: np mate. could be just joking for such a strange problem :) |
| 01:37.05 | frex | ikonia: I'm using a ssh client to connect to my server. |
| 01:37.07 | abrotman | !why is snoopy not in testing |
| 01:37.07 | dpkg | snoopy is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=snoopy |
| 01:37.14 | frex | ikonia: putty. |
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| 01:37.44 | ikonia | drat |
| 01:37.46 | frex | abrotman: actually nothing. |
| 01:37.48 | Appetite | frex: is there an alternate to snoopy..? |
| 01:37.54 | abrotman | Appetite: screen |
| 01:38.02 | ikonia | frex: not going through a socks proxy, I've had putty do that with socks proxies before |
| 01:38.06 | Appetite | abrotman: apparently you dont know what snoopy does? |
| 01:38.10 | abrotman | yes i do |
| 01:38.17 | abrotman | it allows you to watch another session |
| 01:38.24 | Appetite | um, only partially abrotman |
| 01:38.35 | abrotman | so which part of snoopy do you want? |
| 01:38.38 | Appetite | it adds extra info to the var/auth.log which can be reviewed later |
| 01:38.53 | Appetite | much like .bash_history but more detailed, and more safe |
| 01:39.20 | abrotman | Appetite: did you look at the URL above? |
| 01:39.30 | hiexpo | ikonia, - will aircrack-ng wireshark , metasploit work under debian /// I know not suppose to ask that lol |
| 01:39.35 | Appetite | yep abrotman i did... |
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| 01:40.05 | abrotman | Appetite: oh crap .. someone has to rewrite that tool that has been removed from debian |
| 01:40.20 | Appetite | ? |
| 01:40.27 | abrotman | that ls.so-manager |
| 01:40.32 | abrotman | ld.so |
| 01:41.03 | abrotman | ld.so.preload-manager .. whatever it is |
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| 01:41.18 | ikonia | hiexpo: no idea, it depends on the card and I don't know if you're allowed to ask |
| 01:41.41 | ikonia | wireshark depends on the card, so I guess that's the defining factor |
| 01:42.55 | hiexpo | ikonia, ya i know /// so basically ubuntu is based on debian though so if it works on ubuntu it should |
| 01:44.22 | ikonia | hiexpo: a reasonable theory |
| 01:44.28 | abrotman | or ask them |
| 01:44.42 | frex | ikonia: i cant see any odd thing. |
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| 01:45.49 | hiexpo | next ? why is debian 4 dvds |
| 01:47.39 | Appetite | hiexpo: use the netinst |
| 01:47.43 | ikonia | frex: is it ok to ask what file you're tyring to delete ? |
| 01:47.48 | Appetite | hiexpo: it's one disk, like 600mb i think |
| 01:47.59 | \amethyst | hiexpo: because it contains a few tens of thousands of packages |
| 01:48.03 | Appetite | hiexpo: debian is so many dvd's because they offer their entire apt repository on dvd |
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| 01:48.23 | Appetite | but if you have internet on the machine you are installing on you dont need it |
| 01:48.30 | ikonia | frex: and does it happen if you delete any file, or just that one |
| 01:48.37 | frex | ikonia: it is a huge directory which includes avi files. |
| 01:48.50 | hiexpo | Appetite, - oh ok the whole repo is on the got cha |
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| 01:49.01 | ikonia | frex: can you delete anything else (eg another test file/directory) |
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| 01:50.01 | ikonia | frex: or try a while loop, see if that works, for i in `ls -R` do rm -rf $i done , something like that, it will take a little longer but will be interesting to see if it deletes them |
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| 01:50.31 | SuperMiguel | how do i connect to a BT mouse uscing command line? |
| 01:50.34 | frex | ikonia: maybe time out my ssh connection. |
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| 01:50.57 | frex | ikonia: is there a way to extend it? |
| 01:51.01 | ikonia | frex: ahhh yes, in putty there is a keepalive option, try setting it |
| 01:51.03 | ikonia | frex: it's under sessions->connections |
| 01:51.15 | frex | hugs ikonia |
| 01:51.18 | frex | bingo! |
| 01:51.20 | frex | thanks mate |
| 01:51.46 | ikonia | cool |
| 01:52.29 | shazbotmcnasty | i have a macro button on my mouse |
| 01:52.42 | shazbotmcnasty | but I don't see a use for it since I'm in linux |
| 01:52.51 | shazbotmcnasty | other than it lights up pretty colors |
| 01:53.02 | frex | ikonia: should i enable tcp keepalives? |
| 01:53.24 | frex | ikonia: "seconds between keepalives" is 0 right now. |
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| 01:58.53 | SuperMiguel | debian wiki recommends using hidd to connect to Bluetooth devices but hidd is not a valid command... any suggestions? |
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| 01:59.24 | rzeka | I need to mount samba files but not share from debian. Which package should I install? |
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| 02:02.01 | ikonia | flaggy: I normally set it to say 15 as 0 is massive |
| 02:02.03 | ikonia | oops |
| 02:02.09 | ikonia | he's gone, sorry flaggy |
| 02:03.16 | Arrowmaster | rzeka: smbclient or smbfs (lenny) / cifs-utils (squeeze) |
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| 02:03.49 | rzeka | got it but anyway it doesn't work well :( I cannot connect to my host system (debian is on vbox) |
| 02:03.58 | rzeka | But I can connect to gateway |
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| 02:28.44 | rzeka | How can I check which computers are in network from terminal? |
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| 02:30.12 | violinappren | rzeka: nmap |
| 02:30.20 | rzeka | thx |
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| 02:49.52 | MaxST | hi, im trying to setup quotas inside a container, with openvz... but still without luck. anyone could help ? |
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| 03:17.32 | stealth- | Does anyone know what 548/tcp/afp is? Netstat tells me acpid is listening on that port.... Although I can't see any reason why acpid would need to be listening on any ports in the first place.... |
| 03:18.57 | violinappren | stealth-: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Filing_Protocol |
| 03:19.31 | sepult | do you have netatalk installed ? |
| 03:19.40 | sepult | taht's why maybe |
| 03:20.02 | sepult | afp, papd, ktalkd, ... |
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| 03:23.07 | Tramp | !ops Huj-s-GORY spam |
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| 03:24.48 | Huj-s-GORY | WTF |
| 03:24.53 | Huj-s-GORY | ?!??!?! |
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| 03:42.12 | casa | hey, how install debian, somebody have tutorial for this?? |
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| 03:42.34 | casa | hey, how install debian, somebody have tutorial for this?? |
| 03:43.03 | violinappren | casa: check website |
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| 03:44.12 | violinappren | casa: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ |
| 03:45.05 | casa | ok thanks |
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| 03:45.54 | SuperMiguel | when using openbox, and debian menu, where do you edit the debia menu? |
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| 03:48.15 | jpinx-eeepc | I'm trying to get a USB wifi adaptor to work in lenny - can someone take a look here and tell me what I need? http://pastebin.com/euCjh3ei |
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| 03:51.11 | casa | see you later, |
| 03:53.29 | SuperMiguel | how do i edit debians menu? |
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| 03:58.39 | Fisherman | Hello! My processor is core i5 (hp 2160us), installed Debian and did not see Wi-Fi and Audio. What do I do? |
| 04:01.12 | violinappren | Fisherman: Wifi and Audio have nothing to do with the processor.. You need to check the brand/model of the WiFi and Audio cards. use the command lspci |
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| 04:06.34 | Fisherman | violinappren How to check if the driver is installed Wi-fi? |
| 04:06.59 | violinappren | Fisherman: in /var/log/kernel |
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| 04:08.21 | wols | Fisherman: lspci -nn what wlan chip do you have? |
| 04:09.48 | wols | SuperMiguel: /usr/share/doc/menu/menu.txt.gz |
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| 04:10.11 | Fisherman | wols networkd controller: Broadcom Corporation Device 4357 (rev 01) |
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| 04:10.38 | wols | Fisherman: lspci -nn |
| 04:10.59 | Fisherman | I'm confused. Do not know if the card is installed wi fi.I'm beginner. |
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| 04:11.36 | wols | that's why I told you to run lspci -nn |
| 04:11.37 | SuperMiguel | wols, but i cant edit that file... |
| 04:11.41 | wols | !wl |
| 04:11.41 | dpkg | [wl] Broadcom's <non-free> wireless LAN driver (x86, x86-64 only). Supports BCM4312 LP-PHY (aka "BCM4310 USB", PCI-ID 14e4:4315), BCM4313 (PCI-ID 14e4:4727), BCM4321 and BCM4322 (both 802.11n) chipsets. Does not support monitor mode. To install, see http://wiki.debian.org/wl . For support of all other Broadcom PCI(-E) chipsets, ask me about <b43>. The BCM4312 LP-PHY is supported by b43 as of Linux 2.6.32, ask me about <bcm4312>. |
| 04:11.44 | wols | SuperMiguel: WHICH file? |
| 04:11.55 | SuperMiguel | wols, menu.txt.gz |
| 04:12.11 | wols | SuperMiguel: you have to READ it. since it's documentation, you know? |
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| 04:12.23 | wols | which is pretty obvious since it's in /usr/share/DOC |
| 04:12.40 | SuperMiguel | wols, im running openbox and i need to add one program to my debian menu... |
| 04:12.55 | SuperMiguel | wols, ok let me see |
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| 04:13.39 | Fisherman | wols http://fisherman.pastebin.com/vxE2tNFj |
| 04:14.17 | dan2 | I haven't purchased an ATI graphics card in 7 years |
| 04:14.17 | wols | I LOVE it how people constantly don't read what I type. awesome |
| 04:14.24 | dan2 | do the drivers still suck so much that it's worth getting an nvidia card still? |
| 04:14.43 | wols | ,pciid http://fisherman.pastebin.com/vxE2tNFj |
| 04:14.54 | wols | ,pciid 14e4:4357 |
| 04:14.55 | judd | [14e4:4357] is 'BCM43225 802.11b/g/n' from 'Broadcom Corporation' with no known kernel module in lenny or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=14e4:4357 http://wiki.debian.org/wl and the out-of-tree 'wl' module. |
| 04:15.25 | Arrowmaster | dan2: yes |
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| 04:16.49 | Fisherman | What do I do? wols |
| 04:17.42 | dan2 | the Intel graphics cards do not have accelerated h.264 decoding support on linux is that right? |
| 04:19.28 | Hypnotoad | Quick question regarding dd: I currently have a 25GB IDE drive in my debian PC at the moment. Is it possible to install a 160GB SATA HDD and use dd to image the SATA drive? And if so, what would be the command? |
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| 04:20.18 | WormFood | Hypnotoad, cp /dev/sda /dev/sdb |
| 04:20.22 | quotemstr | Is the Interix Debian port still maintained? |
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| 04:21.02 | WormFood | Hypnotoad, I mean, cp /dev/hda /dev/sdb |
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| 04:21.23 | WormFood | or whatever...change the hda/sda/sdb to whatever is suitable for your machine) |
| 04:21.29 | Hypnotoad | WormFood, Would that work with hda having a swap partition? |
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| 04:22.22 | WormFood | Hypnotoad, it would copy EVERYTHING, including partition table from one drive to another....you also want to boot from CD, so you don't have open files when you try to copy. |
| 04:23.16 | Hypnotoad | Ah, okay. Thanks for that. |
| 04:23.38 | WormFood | if you wanted to use dd, the command would be something like "dd if=/dev/hda of-/dev/sda", with various options for block size and stuff like that....both dd and cp would operate exactly the same in this context |
| 04:23.51 | WormFood | er, typo...change the - to a = |
| 04:24.34 | WormFood | if you just wanted to copy a single partition, and not everything else, then you'd have to make a partition on your new drive, and the command would be something like "cp /dev/hda1 /dev/sda1" |
| 04:25.42 | JasonWoof | what's with this? http://paste.debian.net/75137/ |
| 04:25.47 | Hypnotoad | Since the sata HDD is blank, I'll just copy everything. Now to get a bootable linux USB... |
| 04:26.08 | JasonWoof | I get three of those when I start mplayer (even with --version) and a new game I'm trying to start (balazar) output that |
| 04:26.15 | WormFood | Hypnotoad, but doing it the way I described, would leave your file system on the new drive, as the exact same size as on your old drive. You probably want to format the new drive, and then cp the contents over |
| 04:26.25 | Fisherman | Help me How do I get my wifi in debian? =//////// |
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| 04:27.40 | Hypnotoad | WormFood, Yeah, that's what was getting me a little concerned. The trouble is though is that there's not enough power plugs coming off the PSU to run the CD drive and the IDE drive at the same time, so I've got to get another thumb drive with linux on it as well... |
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| 04:28.06 | WormFood | Hypnotoad, to copy the files from the old drive to the new drive, you probably want to make a partition on your new drive, and format it, then do something like "cp -ax /mnt/hda1 /mnt/sda1" |
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| 04:28.41 | WormFood | it does not matter, so long as you either boot with the drive in read-only mode, or you boot from a different device...even network device would be good to boot from ;) |
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| 04:29.47 | Hypnotoad | Ah, okay. Thanks for that |
| 04:30.09 | Fisherman | WormFood How do I get my wifi in debian? =//////// |
| 04:30.52 | WormFood | Fisherman, do you see your wifi when you do an "ifconfig -a"? |
| 04:33.11 | WormFood | Fisherman, for the record, getting wifi setup under Linux can be a BITCH! but once you get it setup, it is usually pretty smooth. |
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| 04:33.41 | Fisherman | WormFood |
| 04:33.41 | Fisherman | http://paste.debian.net/75138/ |
| 04:35.12 | WormFood | Fisherman, I should have told you to try "iwconfig" first |
| 04:35.48 | WormFood | I don't have any machine with me, that has wifi, so I can't double-check these commands on my system here (and I can't find my crap usb wireless 'card') |
| 04:35.57 | Fisherman | lo no wireless extensions. | eth0 no wireless extensions. |
| 04:36.31 | jpinx-eeepc | Fisherman: your wifi device is not listed take a look at lspci |
| 04:37.12 | WormFood | are the drivers for your wireless card installed? did you check google to see if it is supported under Linux? Also do what jpinx-eeepc said, if it is a PCI card (if it is usb, then do "lsusb") |
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| 04:37.42 | Fisherman | jpinx-eeepc lspci http://paste.debian.net/75139/ |
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| 04:37.49 | jpinx-eeepc | Fisherman: what is the chipset of your wifi device? |
| 04:38.08 | WormFood | Broadcom Corporation Device 4357 (rev 01 |
| 04:38.25 | WormFood | it is probably not directly supported under Linux |
| 04:38.39 | WormFood | !wl |
| 04:38.39 | dpkg | [wl] Broadcom's <non-free> wireless LAN driver (x86, x86-64 only). Supports BCM4312 LP-PHY (aka "BCM4310 USB", PCI-ID 14e4:4315), BCM4313 (PCI-ID 14e4:4727), BCM4321 and BCM4322 (both 802.11n) chipsets. Does not support monitor mode. To install, see http://wiki.debian.org/wl . For support of all other Broadcom PCI(-E) chipsets, ask me about <b43>. The BCM4312 LP-PHY is supported by b43 as of Linux 2.6.32, ask me about <bcm4312>. |
| 04:39.08 | WormFood | !b43 |
| 04:39.09 | dpkg | [b43] the driver for modern Broadcom 802.11b/g PCI/PCI-E wireless LAN chipsets, included in Linux since 2.6.24. Firmware is required, ask me about <b43-fwcutter> to provide. 802.11b-only devices and BCM4306 rev 2 are instead supported by the <b43legacy> driver. BCM4321/4322 (802.11n) and BCM4313 are not supported, ask about <wl>. http://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx #bcm-users on irc.freenode.net. |
| 04:39.26 | bkashaf | Fisherman, ...http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi ...1) installing the driver (also called a module) and 2) setting up your WiFi interface. |
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| 04:41.45 | WormFood | for testing compatibility with hardware under Linux, i like to use knoppix, because it has firmware for the most common stuff, and usually it just works....if it works under Knoppix (which is debian based), then I KNOW I can make it work under Debian |
| 04:43.41 | sepult | kanotix is super |
| 04:44.10 | sepult | i jusssst don't know how they get their initrd's made |
| 04:44.14 | Fisherman | I try here. tks |
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| 04:53.48 | Fisherman | My departure will be using only ethernet cable :P |
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| 04:57.47 | WormFood | Fisherman, put a little more effort into it, and you can get it working |
| 04:58.08 | Fisherman | okk |
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| 05:52.17 | compaq | anyone here, I have debian with sawfish window manager, and I want to run a script as soon as I login to sawfish. Anyone know how it is done, or where to put the script |
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| 06:21.54 | spo0nman | Hi, |
| 06:22.18 | spo0nman | can someone explain the reason for this dpkg error: http://perl.pastebin.com/YdubKNT2 ? |
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| 06:22.50 | ham5 | ugh.......... command not found |
| 06:22.52 | ham5 | just a guess |
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| 06:23.52 | compaq | spo0nman, maybe you need to install build-essential first? |
| 06:24.09 | spo0nman | compaq: that's the name of the package? |
| 06:24.34 | epsilon | build-essential to install compiled package via dpkg? |
| 06:25.00 | epsilon | I would look for the package containing that "pam-auth-update" first. apt-file is your friend |
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| 06:25.33 | spo0nman | epsilon: oke |
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| 06:25.44 | rww | libpam-runtime |
| 06:26.47 | rww | relevant bug report: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=578638 |
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| 06:27.06 | spo0nman | rww: thanks |
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| 06:42.08 | Killa | Is anyone alive in here I can ask an emergency question to |
| 06:42.26 | Killa | about my hard drive not freeing up space after removing 30+ gigs |
| 06:43.13 | WormFood | Killa, that is most likely because those files you deleted are still open...as soon as you close them, it will free up the space. Do an "lsof" to see what files are open. If all else fails, reboot |
| 06:43.26 | Killa | already did both |
| 06:43.56 | WormFood | so, you're saying you deleted 30 gig of files, and rebooted, and it didn't return the space? |
| 06:43.57 | Killa | lsof - only shows /proc/1023/exe, and I have rebooted the machine already |
| 06:44.01 | Killa | yes |
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| 06:44.22 | WormFood | then you most likely have a hard link to those files (appearing in 2 different directories, to one file) |
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| 06:44.52 | WormFood | do a "du -sm *|sort -n" to see where your space is being sucked up |
| 06:45.13 | Killa | it is in the midde of doing a fsck - then I will |
| 06:45.22 | WormFood | fsck! |
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| 06:45.49 | Killa | just checking the hard drives to make sure there are no errors causing the problem |
| 06:46.05 | Killa | in single user mode |
| 06:46.33 | WormFood | good idea, but will probably not find anything |
| 06:46.57 | Killa | yup it didnt - restarting now |
| 06:47.35 | Killa | /dev/md0 Size:838G Used:808G Avail:0 Use:100% |
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| 06:48.52 | Killa | running "du -sm *|sort -n" right now |
| 06:49.21 | WormFood | md0...oh yeah...raid, right? |
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| 06:49.59 | WormFood | which reminds me, I need to replace a failed hard drive in one of my raid setups, but sadly I don't know anyone who can do it for me (the computer is 12 time zones away from me) |
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| 06:50.20 | Killa | wow that sucks |
| 06:50.46 | Killa | all my servers here at work are onsite - we are getting an OC3 connecting next week "YAY" |
| 06:50.55 | WormFood | yeah...hopefully the other drive won't fail, or I'll be screwed...it is my mail server and backup vpn (and eggdrop machine) |
| 06:51.07 | WormFood | fsckin' awesome! |
| 06:51.32 | Killa | yup - they just finished running the fiber |
| 06:51.40 | WormFood | does "OC" mean "Outrageous Cost"? |
| 06:52.05 | Killa | for the most part lol - not as bad ast he DS3 though |
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| 06:52.47 | Killa | that was 4900 a month - the OC1 price was 3550, and the OC3 was 5900 |
| 06:52.57 | Killa | so I told them I wanted to OC3 |
| 06:53.21 | chittoor | hola! |
| 06:53.37 | WormFood | 5900 Hong Kong dollars a month would be excellent....but you didn't say what those numbers represent :P |
| 06:53.39 | Killa | I would prefer a OC768 lol |
| 06:53.52 | Killa | US Dollars lol |
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| 06:54.20 | Killa | but I doubt there gonna be willing to pay for an OC768 but I wouldnt mind a 40G connection |
| 06:54.24 | WormFood | I only have one or two USDs left, with me (not counting my coins) |
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| 06:55.21 | WormFood | is your du/sort done yet? |
| 06:55.31 | Killa | nope |
| 06:55.34 | Killa | still runnin |
| 06:55.52 | j0nnY | i have installed debian on Sun Fire V240(sparc). Does anybody know linux analog of solaris "scadm" command (to access server system console) ? |
| 06:56.12 | WormFood | after it finishes, I suggest you investigate in another window, so you don't have to scroll back, or lose the time it took to get that list ;) |
| 06:56.32 | Killa | yeah - I have 5 Terms already open to the server |
| 06:56.44 | Killa | gotta love screen |
| 06:56.51 | WormFood | wow, I haven't installed Linux on a sparc system in about 10 years |
| 06:57.16 | j0nnY | WormFood: )) now, it is not too hard |
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| 06:57.53 | Killa | guess I could do my lenny upgrade while im waiting lol |
| 06:58.02 | WormFood | I only did it once. I don't even remember the details. I think it was a redhat based system (yech!) |
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| 07:00.44 | Killa | probly shouldnt have ran the command in / |
| 07:00.45 | Killa | haha |
| 07:00.48 | j0nnY | WormFood: thanx anyway ) |
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| 07:08.24 | Killa | one of the sorts finished |
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| 07:08.51 | Killa | the to biggestes ones are 2 domain dir. |
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| 07:13.57 | Killa | is there a hidden place that rm -rf puts stuff? |
| 07:14.03 | rww | no |
| 07:14.23 | Killa | didnt think so |
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| 07:14.38 | foreeye | rm just breaks the links to files |
| 07:14.43 | rww | !safe-rm |
| 07:14.43 | dpkg | somebody said safe-rm was a configurable rm wrapper, intended to prevent the accidental deletion of important files and directories. Packaged for Debian since Lenny. http://code.google.com/p/safe-rm/ |
| 07:14.47 | rww | but apart from that... |
| 07:14.47 | Killa | I just freed another 10 gigs |
| 07:14.58 | Killa | and it still says its 100% used |
| 07:15.18 | rww | oh, you want the files to be gone. never mind that factoid |
| 07:15.28 | Killa | hehe |
| 07:16.08 | Killa | yeah I having a raid 5 md0 not freeing up space even though now it has 40 Gigs of free space it still says it has none. |
| 07:16.22 | Killa | and I have restarted the server and everything |
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| 07:16.56 | Killa | any other suggestions? |
| 07:16.56 | sepult | ddf if=/dev/zero of=/dev/bla bs=bla start=bla end=bla count=bla |
| 07:17.19 | peterrooney | Killa: du -sh /* /.* | sort -n |
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| 07:17.53 | Killa | running |
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| 07:32.57 | vallhalla | hello all |
| 07:33.43 | Killa | still watiing for the command to finish running |
| 07:33.51 | Killa | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:44.43 | Killa | There isnt anything special I have to do since it is raid5 and it was filled then I removed all the free space - is there? |
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| 08:19.33 | pallgone | is it possible to switch the DE for tasksel somehow? |
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| 08:23.50 | liable | the DE for tasksel? |
| 08:24.17 | liable | you can chose which DE as a start option of the installer |
| 08:24.50 | pallgone | liable: yeah, but say I have chosen xfce and I want to switch to lxde, is that possible with tasksel? |
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| 08:25.21 | liable | dont think so, not positive though |
| 08:26.11 | liable | pallgone: you change your mind that quickly? :P |
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| 08:27.04 | pallgone | liable: :), well I'm installing on old computers and then I try xfce for example but it's a bit too slow so I would like to switch to lxde |
| 08:27.33 | liable | pallgone: you can easily install it after if you decide you dont like xfce |
| 08:28.31 | pallgone | yes, I can install lxde but it won't do the same like if I had selected it from the beginning |
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| 08:35.14 | AlexC_ | morning |
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| 08:35.40 | AlexC_ | is it possible to create .xz compressed files with Lenny? I see Lenny does not have xz-utils |
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| 08:37.02 | void_pointer | ikonia oh, and by the way - Stallman doesn't like you |
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| 08:37.10 | void_pointer | ikonia doesn't like you one bit |
| 08:37.21 | Night_Elf`food | void_pointer: what's the point of all this ? |
| 08:37.36 | ikonia | !ops | void_pointer multiple channel troll |
| 08:37.37 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: ikonia complains about: | void_pointer multiple channel troll |
| 08:37.49 | void_pointer | Night_Elf`food either boredom or a 20 hour debugging session has left me delirious |
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| 08:37.55 | RichiH | void_pointer: hi |
| 08:38.05 | void_pointer | ah ikonia needs a daddy to help him out :( |
| 08:38.10 | Night_Elf`food | void_pointer: well man don't spilli it on others |
| 08:38.11 | Night_Elf`food | ... |
| 08:38.37 | void_pointer | Night_Elf`food well ikonia's run to his pappy now, I'm sure I'll be gone soon |
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| 08:38.58 | void_pointer | "waaaaah Mommy Mommy! He's buggin' me! And I can't work "ignore"!" |
| 08:39.09 | void_pointer | RichiH good day to you, sir |
| 08:39.11 | RichiH | void_pointer: not necessarily, the plan is to ask you to be nice :) |
| 08:39.21 | RichiH | no need to boot you from the network |
| 08:39.22 | void_pointer | RichiH I shall be. Thank you for asking so nicely :) |
| 08:39.38 | RichiH | void_pointer: thanks. Thank you for reacting so nicely :) |
| 08:39.57 | void_pointer | RichiH a lot of other ops on freenode could learn from you. Consider my trolling days over. |
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| 08:40.04 | Night_Elf`food | awaits people to start hugging and kissing |
| 08:40.14 | streuner_ | lol |
| 08:40.18 | ethanol | mornin' people |
| 08:40.26 | void_pointer | Night_Elf`food this isn't ubuntu ... |
| 08:41.02 | Night_Elf`food | I know void_pointer |
| 08:41.20 | void_pointer | anyway, let's stay on topic |
| 08:41.48 | pallgone | void_pointer: well, not much of that atm |
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| 08:42.15 | pallgone | can we discuss ubuntu a bit? please? |
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| 08:42.22 | ethanol | #ubuntu |
| 08:42.24 | Snadder | How do I check if a dns server is configured wrong, or if the dns port is closed? |
| 08:42.34 | Night_Elf`food | Ya.. and some kissing if possible? :p |
| 08:42.45 | AlexC_ | Snadder: may sound obvious, but try a DNS request? |
| 08:42.46 | ethanol | Snadder: use it? |
| 08:42.58 | pallgone | Snadder: dig |
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| 08:43.12 | ethanol | dig domain @server |
| 08:43.14 | ethanol | I believe |
| 08:43.22 | AlexC_ | correct, if you want an A record |
| 08:43.26 | Snadder | host returns ;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached |
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| 08:43.37 | Night_Elf`food | Snadder: see what dig says |
| 08:43.51 | ethanol | guess the port is closed or firewalled |
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| 08:45.22 | Snadder | ethanol, when I telnet to the 53 port.. I get up: Connected to IP.. Escape character is '^]'. Connection closed by foreign host. |
| 08:45.25 | Night_Elf`food | Snadder: you can always: nmap -p 53 host and see |
| 08:45.32 | void_pointer | or the DNS server doesn't exist ... |
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| 08:45.56 | Snadder | void_pointer, from an internal host the dns server responds. |
| 08:45.56 | ethanol | Snadder: does it work on the server itself? dig domain @localhost |
| 08:46.11 | Snadder | ethanol, yes. |
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| 08:46.16 | pallgone | wow, lenny on a 128mb laptop with lxde... neat |
| 08:46.22 | ikonia | Snadder: look at the listen addresses in your bind config |
| 08:46.22 | void_pointer | sounds firewally |
| 08:46.23 | tarzeau | yuck |
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| 08:46.30 | ethanol | Snadder: dns server behind a gateway? |
| 08:46.30 | ikonia | Snadder: make sure your not using views or acls |
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| 08:46.45 | Snadder | 53/tcp open domain<-- nmap from outside. |
| 08:46.47 | ikonia | sharky_: make sure you have recursion set on if you're expect it to deal with recursion |
| 08:47.05 | ikonia | oops, that was for Snadder too |
| 08:47.10 | ethanol | Snadder: btw, there is #bind (assuming you are using bind) : ) |
| 08:47.21 | void_pointer | Snadder ah sorry, I didn't read you right. You can telnet to it remotely |
| 08:47.35 | Night_Elf`food | Snadder: and this? nmap -sU -p 53 hostip |
| 08:47.36 | Freeman2411 | hi guys how I can remove apache2 from my debian distri |
| 08:47.45 | ethanol | Freeman2411: aptitude purge apache2 |
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| 08:48.30 | void_pointer | Freeman2411 could I ask why you want want to completely remove it? Install Apache 1.x? |
| 08:48.44 | Freeman2411 | It will not work because Zend Server has installed a second apache server |
| 08:48.52 | Freeman2411 | no it does not work |
| 08:48.56 | Snadder | Night_Elf`food, I get up: 53/udp open|filtered domain on -sU |
| 08:48.57 | ethanol | say what? |
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| 08:49.15 | ethanol | what is zend server? |
| 08:49.24 | void_pointer | Freeman2411 gotcha |
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| 08:50.06 | void_pointer | zend server is a scary PHP web app server |
| 08:50.10 | void_pointer | but each to their own |
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| 08:50.20 | ethanol | I can't even find it |
| 08:50.27 | ethanol | not available on etch? |
| 08:50.35 | Night_Elf`food | Snadder: it can be filtered by some firewall ? |
| 08:50.35 | quotemstr | "Web app server"? Like Tomcat? |
| 08:50.38 | quotemstr | How would that work with PHP? |
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| 08:51.09 | void_pointer | the same way you do any distributed web app with server side coding |
| 08:51.23 | quotemstr | Oh, so it's just a fancy webserver? |
| 08:51.25 | Snadder | Night_Elf`food, might be.. do you think its possible its filtred after what you saw? |
| 08:51.34 | void_pointer | quotemstr "fancy" is relative, but yeah |
| 08:51.48 | quotemstr | Makes sense, though it feels like overkill. |
| 08:51.53 | ethanol | Freeman2411: purge zend server |
| 08:52.02 | ethanol | though I have no clue what the package is called |
| 08:52.04 | quotemstr | Anyway, as I asked before, is the Interix Debian port still maintained? :) |
| 08:52.19 | Night_Elf`food | Snadder: well it said open|filtered. I'd rather think it's open |
| 08:53.10 | Night_Elf`food | Snadder: did you try "dig" ? |
| 08:53.22 | ethanol | quotemstr: isn't interix targeted at windows systems? |
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| 08:53.30 | Snadder | Night_Elf`food, yes.. it says ;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached |
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| 08:53.54 | Shapeshifter | Hello there. How can install a package from a specific repo when it is residing in several repos? |
| 08:54.09 | void_pointer | comment out the other repos? |
| 08:54.13 | Night_Elf`food | Snadder: dig domain @serverip |
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| 08:54.16 | quotemstr | ethanol: It is. |
| 08:54.29 | void_pointer | in sources.list |
| 08:54.30 | Shapeshifter | void_pointer: that's overly complicated. |
| 08:54.32 | Snadder | Night_Elf`food, yes, I used that. |
| 08:54.33 | quotemstr | ethanol: Specifically, it's the NT POSIX subsystem. |
| 08:54.40 | void_pointer | Shapeshifter it is? Ok then |
| 08:54.45 | quotemstr | ethanol: From userland's point of view, it's just another unix kernel. |
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| 08:54.53 | void_pointer | i thought adding "#" with vim or similar was fairly easy |
| 08:55.01 | Shapeshifter | void_pointer: and running apt-get update. |
| 08:55.18 | Shapeshifter | void_pointer: I was thinking of something more like apt-get install thatrepo/mypackage |
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| 08:55.21 | ethanol | quotemstr: http://www.debian-interix.net/ ? |
| 08:55.30 | quotemstr | Yep. |
| 08:55.33 | Shapeshifter | void_pointer: or apt-get install mypackage-specific-version |
| 08:55.35 | quotemstr | It doesn't seem to have been updated in a while. |
| 08:55.36 | void_pointer | Shapeshifter maybe aptitude has an arguement you can pass |
| 08:55.37 | Night_Elf`food | Snadder: You might want to have a look at the server logs and see what is it. Seems like the server is reachable but it will not reply to your queries |
| 08:55.43 | void_pointer | Shapeshifter or apt even |
| 08:55.45 | ethanol | Shapeshifter: -t |
| 08:55.47 | Arrowmaster | Shapeshifter: use the -t option |
| 08:55.55 | Shapeshifter | ethanol, Arrowmaster: thanks :) |
| 08:56.21 | void_pointer | and they didn't even tell you to "man" it like they might have done ;) |
| 08:56.22 | Night_Elf`food | Snadder: to what I know, the default bind9 installations, olnly listen/reply on 127.0.0.1 |
| 08:56.25 | ethanol | aptitude > apt-get |
| 08:56.58 | Arrowmaster | Shapeshifter: you can also use aptitude install package/archive |
| 08:57.53 | quotemstr | Hrm, the mailing list is almost dead. |
| 08:57.57 | Snadder | Night_Elf`food, the dns server reponds from another internal ip which is behind the firewall. |
| 08:58.12 | void_pointer | Night_Elf`food something has been bothering me; are you a night elf who is indicating you are eating, or are you food for night elves? |
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| 09:00.10 | Snadder | void_pointer, I bet on food for night elves :-) |
| 09:00.45 | Night_Elf`food | the later Snadder. So I can can become an Elfalien |
| 09:01.12 | Night_Elf`food | Snadder: You are on the same network too ? |
| 09:01.32 | Snadder | Night_Elf`food, no. |
| 09:01.51 | aerodynamics | pardus sanada |
| 09:02.12 | Night_Elf`food | Snadder: maybe the dns server is configured to respond only from the hosts in that lan |
| 09:02.23 | Night_Elf`food | <<only to> |
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| 09:03.50 | Night_Elf`food | Snadder: not firewall wise. The 53 port is open. I'd think the server itself has it's conf file dictate the networks allowed to query it |
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| 09:04.52 | Shapeshifter | Excuse my ignorance, but I don't really get how the -t option is supposed to work. "--target-release"? I tried both apt-get install -t 0.7.4-1maemo3 openttd (specifying the package version I want) or apt-get -t extras install openttd (specifying the repository I want to get it from) but in both cases it just installed the latest (1.0.1 from extras-devel). |
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| 09:05.53 | void_pointer | Shapeshifter you'd have been done if you did it my way ... |
| 09:05.57 | void_pointer | just saying :) |
| 09:06.00 | aburch | Shapeshifter: aptitude install $package=$version if you want to install a specific version. -t works with names liks unstable, testing, etc. |
| 09:06.06 | Justin | Shapeshifter: release is neither a version or a repository |
| 09:06.56 | Shapeshifter | aburch: mhh I see. So there's no way of installing a specific version or from a specific repository using apt-get? |
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| 09:07.01 | Shapeshifter | Too bad I don't have aptitude ;) |
| 09:07.02 | Night_Ef | No more food |
| 09:07.15 | Shapeshifter | void_pointer: sure. but that would have been cheap. Always good to know alternative ways. |
| 09:07.19 | themill | Shapeshifter: please take your maemo questions to #maemo where you will get better help. |
| 09:07.20 | void_pointer | Night_Ef no more 'l' |
| 09:07.23 | Night_Elf | ll |
| 09:07.24 | void_pointer | ah. More 'l' |
| 09:07.25 | Night_Elf | o |
| 09:07.53 | Shapeshifter | themill: I already got better help here. :) |
| 09:08.09 | void_pointer | Shapeshifter ask in #ubuntu |
| 09:08.19 | themill | Shapeshifter: that doesn't change the fact that you're in the wrong place for asking questions about a debian derivative. |
| 09:08.21 | void_pointer | Shapeshifter although I warn you - one of their ops is having his period |
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| 09:08.34 | themill | void_pointer: grow up |
| 09:09.02 | Shapeshifter | themill: I was asking about apt-get, and doing something specific with apt-get. That's not neccessarly distro-specific. |
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| 09:09.47 | themill | Shapeshifter: this is not the apt-get channel. You were told to use aptitude which is the answer for debian and then started complaining about how you didn't have it. That, at least, should tell you that you are in the wrong place |
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| 09:10.01 | pepppe | looks like themill is having his period too :) |
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| 09:10.14 | pepppe | kick me, big guy! |
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| 09:11.05 | Shapeshifter | themill: I wasn't complaining at all. |
| 09:11.09 | Shapeshifter | goes away |
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| 09:21.20 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 09:21.20 | dpkg | < stumbles> nvz: in that case I seem to have a whole lot of packages that i have accidentally upgraded to unstable - is there a 1 liner i can use to downgrade them all to testing? |
| 09:22.30 | Night_Elf | 1 linears r0ckz |
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| 09:27.41 | jelly | themill: funny how there's no factoid pointing to the proper place to ask questions about dpkg or (lib)apt |
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| 09:30.11 | ethanol | man ? |
| 09:31.09 | themill | jelly: I couldn't do it to the deity team, plus it still wouldn't be the right place to ask. |
| 09:31.16 | quotemstr | Man.. |
| 09:31.21 | quotemstr | Interix doesn't even support poll(). |
| 09:31.35 | ethanol | what do you need interix for? |
| 09:31.48 | quotemstr | ethanol: Cygwin is slow and ugly. |
| 09:31.58 | quotemstr | And it's a neat idea. |
| 09:32.01 | ethanol | what do you need cygwin for? |
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| 09:32.14 | quotemstr | ethanol: Because Windows doesn't have decent command-line tools by default. |
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| 09:32.24 | ethanol | oh, you're on windows? |
| 09:32.38 | quotemstr | Will be. |
| 09:32.50 | ethanol | I'm a bit confused then.. |
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| 09:33.07 | ethanol | but here's an idea. putty + remote server. don't play on your windows machine :> |
| 09:33.15 | multi_io | which package does the file /usr/bin/X11/Xorg originate from? |
| 09:33.24 | ethanol | multi_io: the internetz! |
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| 09:33.52 | ethanol | I think there was a command to find that out |
| 09:33.54 | multi_io | ethanol: that's not a debian package |
| 09:34.03 | multi_io | yeah, dpkg -S, or dlocate. |
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| 09:34.27 | multi_io | they say it comes from no package. That's my problem. |
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| 09:34.54 | ethanol | problem? |
| 09:34.58 | multi_io | (apt-file too) |
| 09:35.10 | themill | multi_io: you might like to look at what /usr/bin/X11 is |
| 09:35.11 | multi_io | I want to downgrade xorg from testing to stable |
| 09:35.16 | multi_io | (don't ask) |
| 09:35.23 | ethanol | (doesn't ask) |
| 09:36.16 | multi_io | themill: hm, a symlink to . |
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| 09:37.26 | multi_io | I'm not sure what that means. |
| 09:37.39 | themill | so what you really want is: dlocate $(readlink -f /usr/bin/X11/Xorg) |
| 09:38.36 | themill | multi_io: you might like to compare the output of "ls /usr/bin" and "ls /usr/bin/X11/" |
| 09:38.39 | multi_io | ah |
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| 09:42.53 | mischief | is there an easy way to switch from a regular partiton layout to LVM? |
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| 09:43.53 | jmd | What's the recommended way to change the console's keymap? |
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| 09:45.51 | Elephantman | on a box that's got french locales, I've got some trouble with accentued characters not showing right in the terminal. how can I set that ? |
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| 09:47.17 | jmd | Elephantman, Make sure the locale of the terminal uses an encoding that your french locale provides. |
| 09:47.33 | Elephantman | jmd: how ? |
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| 09:48.07 | jmd | Well you have a choice. Either change the locale of the box or the encoding of the terminal. |
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| 09:48.35 | Elephantman | jmd: how can I check the 2 ? |
| 09:49.03 | jmd | locale -a will tell you what locales are installed. |
| 09:49.28 | Elephantman | jmd: and how would I switch ? |
| 09:49.56 | jmd | What exactly are you trying to do? |
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| 09:50.17 | Elephantman | jmd: just have all the messages show nice and clean |
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| 09:50.29 | jmd | In French? |
| 09:51.01 | Elephantman | jmd: yes, works well with my terminal on boxes I dind't configure myself, but here it doesn't |
| 09:51.06 | udo | Im feeling stupid for asking this, but I just can't find it.. how do I enable MSN support ? |
| 09:51.20 | udo | pidging doesn't have the msn option, other apps just won't connect, protocol not supported |
| 09:51.30 | jmd | Elephantman, So what does "locale -a | grep fr_" tell you? |
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| 09:52.15 | Elephantman | jmd: gives me a long list |
| 09:52.38 | Arrowmaster | what did you do, install every possible locale? |
| 09:52.48 | jmd | Then set your LC_ALL variable to one of them? |
| 09:53.01 | jmd | Arrowmaster: Most people do :/ |
| 09:53.09 | Elephantman | Arrowmaster: lol no, that's out of the box (list is really 6) |
| 09:53.24 | Arrowmaster | ive only got 3, and two of those are C and POSIX! |
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| 09:54.45 | rvsjoen | udo: pidgin works just fine with msn |
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| 09:55.48 | Elephantman | jmd: how do I set LC_ALL ? |
| 09:56.01 | udo | rvsjoen: usually it does.. but I'm telling you, my pidgin doesn't support msn. |
| 09:56.03 | jmd | What shell are you using ? |
| 09:56.08 | rvsjoen | udo: get another pidgin then |
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| 09:56.25 | Elephantman | jmd: iTerm (mac) |
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| 09:56.52 | rvsjoen | that's the terminal, not the shell |
| 09:57.06 | jmd | Elephantman, Then I have no idea. Ask in a mac forum. |
| 09:57.12 | rvsjoen | echo $SHELL |
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| 09:58.15 | Elephantman | jmd: no but the change is in server's ssh config since on other servers it's working fine |
| 09:58.40 | udo | rvsjoen: had to use the one from lenny-backports.. fixed now :) |
| 09:58.46 | Arrowmaster | Elephantman: what does locale say on other servers? |
| 09:58.56 | Arrowmaster | Elephantman: vs what it says on yours? |
| 09:59.29 | Elephantman | Arrowmaster: en_US.ISO-8859-15 where accents are ok, fr_FR here |
| 09:59.45 | Elephantman | (that's echo $LANG) |
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| 10:00.16 | Arrowmaster | you can use update-locale on your server to change the system wide LANG |
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| 10:00.59 | Elephantman | Arrowmaster: okay ! think that's what I'm looking for (I know this is begginer stuff, but to be honnest I never needed to worry) |
| 10:01.07 | StefanNET | How to chmod /home ? |
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| 10:01.27 | StefanNET | i mean to no one can access from /home/user to /home/user2 .. |
| 10:02.37 | Arrowmaster | StefanNET: rwxr-x--x |
| 10:03.31 | StefanNET | thanks |
| 10:04.24 | rvsjoen | stefannet: you mean 'so no one can access...' ? do you _want_ users to have access to other users home directories ? |
| 10:05.15 | StefanNET | i dont |
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| 10:05.30 | StefanNET | but its seems now is broken -.- i cant access to /home no how.. |
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| 10:06.08 | xand | StefanNET: chmod 755 /home |
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| 10:07.20 | StefanNET | ty |
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| 10:08.42 | StefanNET | but ne question i have user stefan |
| 10:08.44 | StefanNET | and i do passwd stefan |
| 10:08.47 | StefanNET | newpw and newpw |
| 10:08.56 | StefanNET | and with "newpw" i cant login .. why? |
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| 10:09.30 | r3knit | hello there |
| 10:09.38 | StefanNET | oh now work.. thanks for 755 :) |
| 10:10.17 | StefanNET | but still i can go through other dir /home/bla to home/bla2 |
| 10:10.22 | r3knit | got trouble with RTL8187SE.. where can i take drivers?.. |
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| 10:12.08 | xand | StefanNET: what do you mean exactly? as root? |
| 10:13.12 | StefanNET | i still can go through /home/bla to /home/ha .. |
| 10:13.16 | StefanNET | no as user.. |
| 10:13.18 | udo | r3knit: tried modprobing rtl8187se ? |
| 10:14.05 | xand | do you mean you can't acess your own home dir? |
| 10:14.16 | StefanNET | no i mean i can access from my /home/user |
| 10:14.20 | StefanNET | to /home/user2 |
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| 10:15.20 | xand | what does that mean? |
| 10:15.27 | r3knit | udo: yeah, that's the problem |
| 10:15.28 | xand | you don't access one directory from another |
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| 10:15.48 | StefanNET | on i can access from one dir to other |
| 10:16.21 | StefanNET | but i dont want that.. cause i have 10 users on server.. |
| 10:16.27 | StefanNET | so don't want to pone user abuse other.. |
| 10:16.49 | StefanNET | pro is dead |
| 10:16.50 | xand | cd /home |
| 10:16.50 | udo | r3knit: I'm using the 2.6.32-bpo kernel from lenny-backports. I've got the rtl8187se driver |
| 10:16.54 | xand | chmod 700 * |
| 10:16.59 | Arrowmaster | dont do that |
| 10:17.07 | StefanNET | so what to do |
| 10:17.10 | StefanNET | ? |
| 10:17.14 | tomiondrums | Hi! I'm trying to run "kdb5_util create -s" to set up my local kerberos db on a Debian Squeeze AMD64 host (within a virtual machine) and the command just seems to hang. (I'm using MIT-Kerberos, debian package version of krb5-kdc and krb5-admin-server is 1.8.1) Have you already seen this problem? what can i do? |
| 10:17.17 | xand | and edit /etc/adduser.conf to set the default permissions |
| 10:17.22 | xand | Arrowmaster: why not? |
| 10:17.23 | Arrowmaster | chmod o-r /home/* |
| 10:17.30 | StefanNET | what to set in adduser.conf? |
| 10:17.41 | Arrowmaster | xand: because then nothing would be able to read from the homedirs |
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| 10:17.54 | xand | that's rubbish, the owner can still access them |
| 10:18.03 | Arrowmaster | yeah but can sshd still access them? |
| 10:18.04 | xand | and your command leaves group access |
| 10:18.05 | r3knit | udo: hmm...mayb i've done smthing wrong while installing.. |
| 10:18.11 | xand | of course it can, it runs as root |
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| 10:18.28 | StefanNET | so what to do? |
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| 10:18.53 | Arrowmaster | and groups are set to user specific by default not shared so leaving group access is fine |
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| 10:19.34 | xand | well I always turn that off too, I think it's stupid to have per-user groups |
| 10:19.58 | StefanNET | so what to do? |
| 10:20.06 | Arrowmaster | chmod o-r /home/* |
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| 10:21.10 | StefanNET | usa33:/# chmod o-r /home/* |
| 10:21.10 | StefanNET | usa33:/# |
| 10:21.30 | StefanNET | thats it? |
| 10:21.43 | nima__ | i need configure my camera?whats command |
| 10:21.44 | nima__ | ? |
| 10:22.08 | xand | StefanNET: iff you have user-specific groups with nobody else in them |
| 10:22.23 | StefanNET | i dnkt' have anything |
| 10:22.26 | nima__ | itchi, are itachi in naruto? |
| 10:24.00 | nima__ | i need configure my camera?whats command |
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| 10:29.17 | StefanNET | what to do? |
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| 10:31.17 | WormFood | what do I have to do to make iceweasel always ask me what profile to use? do I have to edit the menu item, or is there something else I can do? |
| 10:31.52 | Patric4 | Is there an apt equivalent to 'yum provides foo' (or is a search @ http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages the only option) |
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| 10:32.24 | petemc | Patric4: apt-file |
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| 10:33.36 | OpenTokix | WormFood: You have to edit the menuitem |
| 10:33.47 | WormFood | ok, thanks |
| 10:33.59 | OpenTokix | Or use multiple browsers |
| 10:34.33 | StefanNET | what to do? |
| 10:35.05 | Patric4 | petemc: Thanks - apt-file seems to store its index files on a per user basis ? |
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| 10:35.51 | petemc | Patric4: you need to update it before you use it |
| 10:36.28 | petemc | Patric4: but i think then it will work for everyone |
| 10:36.30 | Patric4 | petemc: Yeah - I just noticed that I needed to update it for *each* user (i.e. my underpriv account and root) |
| 10:37.05 | StefanNET | what to I do ? jelp! |
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| 10:37.40 | petemc | Patric4: that doesnt seem to be the case here |
| 10:38.17 | Patric4 | $ apt-file search tofrodos |
| 10:38.17 | Patric4 | tofrodos: /usr/share/doc/tofrodos/NEWS.Debian.gz |
| 10:38.26 | Patric4 | $ sudo apt-file search tofrodos |
| 10:38.27 | Patric4 | E: The cache directory is empty. You need to run 'apt-file update' first. |
| 10:38.31 | petemc | dont paste here |
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| 10:38.52 | multi_io | neither keyboard nor mouse are working in my xorg. It has this configuration: http://user.cs.tu-berlin.de/~klischat/xorg-kb-mouse-nw/xorg.conf |
| 10:38.56 | petemc | Patric4: why use sudo? |
| 10:39.22 | multi_io | ...and produces this output on startup: http://user.cs.tu-berlin.de/~klischat/xorg-kb-mouse-nw/Xorg.0.log |
| 10:39.24 | Patric4 | petemc: Uh - was just trying to demo that I get diff behaviour for diff users |
| 10:39.33 | multi_io | (look at the last lines!) |
| 10:39.45 | petemc | Patric4: i have just su - d to different users on my box, it works well for all of them |
| 10:39.57 | Patric4 | petemc: Interesting... |
| 10:39.57 | multi_io | it says it recognized and configured the keyboard and mouse just fine. |
| 10:40.19 | multi_io | how can this be? |
| 10:40.24 | petemc | Patric4: are you using debian? |
| 10:40.35 | Arrowmaster | multi_io: you shouldnt need an xorg.conf at all with that little in it, try just removing it |
| 10:40.39 | Patric4 | petemc: Actually Ubuntu. I came here because that room is so busy :-) |
| 10:40.44 | petemc | right |
| 10:41.00 | multi_io | Arrowmaster: I did. No difference. |
| 10:41.11 | Bushmills | highways at rush hour are busy too |
| 10:41.17 | rww | !ubuntu |
| 10:41.17 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 10:41.22 | multi_io | You won't believe the amount of things I tried in the last hours. |
| 10:41.44 | multi_io | I even downgraded X.org from testing to stable just to see if that was the problem. |
| 10:41.52 | Patric4 | fair enough :-) |
| 10:42.13 | multi_io | mouse and keyboard work fine in the console (gpm) |
| 10:42.45 | multi_io | the also work in an Ubuntu 9.10 live CD system. |
| 10:42.56 | multi_io | this completely astonishes me. |
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| 10:43.17 | OpenTokix | multi_io: Looks like you are trying to use nvidia glx with nv-drivers from the paste you did. |
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| 10:43.37 | OpenTokix | multi_io: Is it a debian system or a ubuntu system? |
| 10:43.42 | multi_io | OpenTokix: debian |
| 10:43.45 | Bushmills | multi_io: EE) Failed to initialize GLX extension (Compatible NVIDIA X driver not found) may have something to do with it |
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| 10:43.50 | multi_io | OpenTokix: I tries both nv and nvidia |
| 10:43.59 | multi_io | *tried |
| 10:44.04 | OpenTokix | multi_io: Did you install the nvidiai triver with module assistant? |
| 10:44.16 | OpenTokix | I write like a retarded monkey |
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| 10:44.24 | Arrowmaster | or dkms, theres a dkms package now too |
| 10:44.24 | OpenTokix | multi_io: Did you install the nvidia driver with module assistant? |
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| 10:44.43 | OpenTokix | Arrowmaster: I don't think more options is his main concern right now, or? =) |
| 10:45.15 | Arrowmaster | OpenTokix: well im guessing you are trying to get at if it was done using deb packages or the binary installer |
| 10:45.31 | multi_io | OpenTokix: compiled teh deb from the source package |
| 10:45.47 | OpenTokix | multi_io: What source package? |
| 10:45.55 | OpenTokix | multi_io: Do you have a url to the howto you used? |
| 10:45.59 | OpenTokix | Arrowmaster: valid point, yes |
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| 10:46.14 | Arrowmaster | sounds like module-assistant |
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| 10:47.28 | multi_io | OpenTokix: package nvidia-kernel-source 195.36.24-1 |
| 10:47.44 | OpenTokix | multi_io: ok, you should use module-assistant, by far the easiest way |
| 10:47.51 | multi_io | used make-kpkg modules_image etc. to build it, then injstalled the deb |
| 10:48.00 | multi_io | did this 100s of time before |
| 10:48.10 | multi_io | *times |
| 10:48.14 | OpenTokix | multi_io: Why are you doing it in such a complicated way? |
| 10:48.26 | OpenTokix | http://wiki.debian.org/ModuleAssistant |
| 10:49.33 | multi_io | what does it matter? That's apparently just a frontend that does what I do |
| 10:50.03 | multi_io | and as I said, I'm now trying to use nv, so nvidia shouldn't be the problem |
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| 10:51.11 | OpenTokix | multi_io: you are still trying to use the wrong glx-module |
| 10:51.23 | OpenTokix | multi_io: the thing is, the m-a prepare also downloads some additional packages needed. |
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| 10:52.06 | multi_io | I'm not sure why it still tries to use glx there |
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| 10:52.15 | multi_io | it's not in the xorg.conf |
| 10:52.36 | mbertens | hello all |
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| 10:52.45 | mbertens | i have a question |
| 10:53.00 | OpenTokix | multi_io: I think glx is loaded by default, most essential modules is. |
| 10:53.06 | General_Jung | Hi I have to compile some programms for the busybox (STAR CPU/ARM) |
| 10:53.10 | OpenTokix | multi_io: You can remove all the Load directives, and still get a few. |
| 10:53.26 | Arrowmaster | a few? more like most |
| 10:53.39 | mbertens | i installed a package but when i try to start it i get "bash: flashrom: command not found", it a local created package |
| 10:55.13 | StefanNET | cya |
| 10:56.36 | multi_io | is removing nvidia-glx, installing mesa |
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| 11:01.25 | multi_io | xorg startup with mesa: http://user.cs.tu-berlin.de/~klischat/xorg-kb-mouse-nw/Xorg.0.log.mesa |
| 11:01.29 | multi_io | still no mouse |
| 11:01.37 | multi_io | keyboard is working though |
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| 11:12.54 | Killa | can anyone tell me what the /proc/1022/exe - it is the only thing in lsof that is using my raid5 cwd / rtf / and text unknown /proc/1022/exe are using the raid.. |
| 11:13.27 | Killa | oh btw for some reason it is showing 838G size, with 803G used, and 0 avail |
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| 11:14.53 | wols | Killa: what is the output of lsof exactly? |
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| 11:16.17 | st1ck | anyone tell me why i .. apt-get install git and when i try and use git it says command not found |
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| 11:16.35 | Arrowmaster | aptitude install git-core |
| 11:16.37 | wols | Killa: or asked another way: what is process 1022? what's its name? |
| 11:16.43 | st1ck | thanks Arrowmaster |
| 11:17.02 | wols | Killa: ls -al /proc/1022/exe |
| 11:17.36 | Killa | md0_raid5 1022 root cwd DIR 8,1 4096 2 / |
| 11:17.36 | Killa | md0_raid5 1022 root cwd DIR 8,1 4096 2 / |
| 11:17.36 | Killa | md0_raid5 1022 root txt unknown /proc/1022/exe |
| 11:18.02 | GIORGI | heloo |
| 11:18.04 | Killa | ps aux | grep 1022 |
| 11:18.27 | wols | !paste |
| 11:18.27 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>. |
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| 11:19.14 | Killa | ps aux | grep 1022 is [md0_raid5] |
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| 11:20.25 | Killa | ls -al /proc/1022/exe | ls: cannot read symbolic link /proc/1022/exe: no such file or dir |
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| 11:21.13 | wols | Killa: it's your RAID itself |
| 11:21.18 | Killa | yes |
| 11:21.26 | wols | so what's your problem? |
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| 11:21.43 | Killa | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:21.46 | Killa | df -h |
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| 11:22.18 | Killa | /dev/md0 838G 803G 0 100% /ccraid |
| 11:22.22 | wols | puts the stupid crapflooder on ignore. damn asshole spammers spamming #debian |
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| 11:23.26 | Killa | it is saying my hard drive is full even though there is 35G free |
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| 11:24.47 | Killa | I am still runing "du -sh /* /.* | sort -n" --- it has been runing for about 3 hours now |
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| 11:26.59 | Killa | and I have restarted the server and that did not free up the space |
| 11:27.51 | jpinx-eeepc | Killa: du needs to be qualified or you'll be waiting a week on a big drive |
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| 11:28.23 | seb__ | hi everyone |
| 11:28.45 | Killa | Jpinx-eepc: how do I go about that or finding out why my hard drive wont free up |
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| 11:28.57 | jpinx-eeepc | Killa: man du :p |
| 11:29.08 | Killa | yeah I have read it multipe times |
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| 11:29.21 | seb__ | i just try to upgrade kde4.3 to kde4.4 everything is nearly perfect except aptitude complain about kde-l10n (not available) |
| 11:29.39 | seb__ | is there any way to solve that ? iam under tesing/squeeze distro |
| 11:29.50 | jpinx-eeepc | Killa: read it again and absorb the options |
| 11:30.17 | jpinx-eeepc | seb__: the joys of running testingg ;) |
| 11:31.05 | seb__ | kde-base depends of (kde-l10n >= 4:4.3) (NOT AVAILABLE) |
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| 11:31.42 | seb__ | ok jpinx-eeepc :-) i suppose it gonna fix soon i can't help running the kde 4.4 under squeeze |
| 11:32.38 | jpinx-eeepc | seb__: I have stable with backports - it's "modern" enough ;) |
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| 11:33.34 | Killa | jpinx-eeepc: i could use the --max-depth option but I cant think right now to get the damn syntax right |
| 11:34.01 | seb__ | was giving a look at http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php |
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| 11:34.26 | spike | hi, is there a way to see where a package was installed from? |
| 11:34.37 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 11:34.45 | Arrowmaster | you can see where it is still available from though |
| 11:34.54 | iceroot | spike: apt-cache policy packagename |
| 11:35.00 | jpinx-eeepc | spike: possibly from somewhere in your sources list unless you did something extraordinary |
| 11:35.06 | iceroot | spike: its hsowing you from what repo you have installed it |
| 11:35.11 | themill | dpkg: tell seb__ about bat |
| 11:35.21 | themill | seb__: you need to provide a lot more information. |
| 11:35.51 | themill | iceroot: no, it's telling you where it would be installed from if you were to reinstall it now, if that is actually possible. |
| 11:36.31 | spike | thanks |
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| 11:38.08 | buntfalke | how to automatically have the corresponding -dbg pkg installed as well? |
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| 11:38.58 | ryan1918 | run www.ryan1918.com |
| 11:39.41 | seb__ | themill: my sources.list: http://debian.pastebin.com/PG3NjY5Z |
| 11:39.58 | seb__ | i use aptitude (interactive mode) to upgrade kdebase from 4.3 to 4.4 |
| 11:40.26 | Killa | could it be the fact that the raid got filled before I deleted the free space? |
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| 11:40.37 | themill | seb__: I wondered why you were talking about kde-base not kdebase.... |
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| 11:42.10 | seb__ | kdebase is "nearly" upgradeable, only kde-l10n is unresolvable |
| 11:42.21 | iceroot | themill: ah yes, you are right |
| 11:42.34 | themill | seb__: please pastebin the full output of "aptitude full-upgrade". |
| 11:42.50 | seb__ | ok |
| 11:44.43 | seb__ | themill: http://debian.pastebin.com/kBbv5JTL |
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| 11:50.41 | themill | seb__: that's looking quite happy, isn't it? |
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| 11:51.15 | do0ob | how do i find out if my dvd-rw drive is sata or ide? can i do it from within the OS? |
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| 11:52.27 | amee2k | whats an easy to use IMAP or POP server that works for local user accounts out of the box? |
| 11:52.59 | wols | amee2k: how is your mail currently stored? |
| 11:53.24 | amee2k | hmmm |
| 11:53.26 | wols | all of them work for local users out of the box, but they might use different mail storage formats |
| 11:53.32 | amee2k | how do i find that out? :) |
| 11:53.34 | bahatpc | amee2k: I prefer dovecot. I don't recall if it works out-of-the-box, but IIRC it should |
| 11:53.43 | wols | oops. mea culpa. cyrus doesn't. that's the only one tho |
| 11:53.46 | bahatpc | secure & excellent documentation |
| 11:53.52 | wols | I'd suggest dovecot or courier |
| 11:54.03 | amee2k | okay, i could live with good documentation too i guess |
| 11:54.10 | seb__ | themill: yes |
| 11:54.37 | wols | documentation is irrelevant when dealing with mail. it always sucks to set up no matter the docs :) |
| 11:54.58 | wols | do0ob: dmesg should tell, at least indirectly |
| 11:55.07 | amee2k | what i have is smartd installed. what i now want is to have mail stored in the mailbox of a local user, and made available voa IMAP/POP so i can access it remotely |
| 11:55.30 | do0ob | wols: thanks, found it |
| 11:55.33 | wols | do you need both, pop3 AND imap? |
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| 11:55.43 | amee2k | well either would work |
| 11:55.56 | wols | then use something like qpopper. imap server is WAY overkill |
| 11:56.12 | Killa | here is the problem - can anyone think of something http://richardm.pastebin.com/ndU1TW19 |
| 11:56.54 | amee2k | okay |
| 11:56.59 | amee2k | installs |
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| 12:05.32 | spike | I'm kinda confused: http://packages.debian.org/search?suite=etch&arch=any&searchon=names&keywords=rails says there's no rails package in etch, and http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/binary-amd64/Packages.gz seems to agree, even tho some packages like puppet recommend rails.. but then in http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/r/rails/ there clearly is a rails 1.1.6 which is the one I was expecting to see on etch |
| 12:05.45 | spike | can anybody shed some light on this, please? |
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| 12:06.09 | jpinx-eeepc | .judd versions rails |
| 12:06.21 | jpinx-eeepc | judd versions rails |
| 12:06.22 | judd | rails -- lenny: 2.1.0-7; lenny-security: 2.1.0-7; lenny-backports: 2.2.3-2~bpo50+1; squeeze: 2.2.3-2; sid: 2.3.5-1 |
| 12:06.43 | jpinx-eeepc | spike: ↑↑ |
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| 12:07.14 | spike | what's with ?? ? |
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| 12:07.33 | spike | see the links I provided. there is clearny a deb for rails 1.1.6 in the debian repository |
| 12:07.42 | spike | but it doesn't seem to be referenced anywhere else |
| 12:08.13 | spike | what the bot says is correct and what I see too, and I'm not necessarily questioning it, I'm just asking why there's a package in the repo that cannot be installed |
| 12:08.22 | spike | because it doesn't exist in Packages.gz |
| 12:09.03 | spike | it doesn't seem to make much sense that packages are pulled out of oldstable |
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| 12:10.17 | amee2k | sweet. it works |
| 12:10.19 | amee2k | that was easy |
| 12:10.23 | amee2k | thanks wols :) |
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| 12:12.04 | themill | spike: it was only in the unofficial m68k port, not part of etch itself, hence is only in the Packages.gz for m68k. |
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| 12:13.07 | spike | themill: ah. how did you figure that one out? grepped all the Packages.gz ? |
| 12:13.34 | themill | well, packages.d.o essentially says that straight up |
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| 12:14.35 | spike | oh, doh, I missed that in the search all, my bad |
| 12:15.28 | themill | np. I have no idea *why* it wasn't included in other archs though |
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| 12:17.36 | spike | themill: the thing is, it's installed on this amd64 box, hence all the questions |
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| 12:17.47 | spike | guess someone apt-get source --compile or something and it worked and then it was installed manually |
| 12:18.52 | themill | spike: it's possible that it was removed from etch for some reason at a point release although I can't find any record of that. It's an arch:all package though, so the m68k package is installable on amd64 too (i.e. it's the same .deb) |
| 12:19.12 | spike | yeah, I was about to say |
| 12:19.27 | spike | the prob is that apt-get/aptitude won't obviously find it |
| 12:19.41 | themill | http://lists.debian.org/debian-announce/2010/msg00005.html |
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| 12:20.19 | spike | ah, dang |
| 12:20.40 | themill | removed in etch's final point release last week |
| 12:20.51 | spike | yep |
| 12:20.58 | themill | spike: but in any case... you should be upgrading to lenny. |
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| 12:21.13 | spike | themill: heh, I was surprised someone hadn't suggested that yet ;) |
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| 12:52.28 | pav5088 | Are there any tools for automatically creating a repo from a source tree containing LOTS of packages? |
| 12:53.04 | themill | pav5088: reprepro is pretty good for that. |
| 12:53.08 | pav5088 | ...they need to be compiled and built into Debian packages... all the Debian meta info is there so dpkg-buildpackage will work |
| 12:53.23 | pav5088 | themill, thanks, I'll look into it. |
| 12:53.30 | themill | pav5088: ahh -- you need to do the package building too? |
| 12:54.35 | pav5088 | themill, yes... but reprepro looks like a good start. |
| 12:55.51 | themill | pav5088: the building you can (should) script -- if it's a directory per source package then it's not that hard to do, then you can dput the packages into reprepro |
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| 12:57.45 | dutchfish | can somebody confirm if bts is down? |
| 12:58.22 | tarzeau | i can't reach bugs.d.o either |
| 12:58.32 | hideo | I can |
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| 12:58.35 | tarzeau | dutchfish: if a mirror of the bts helps you, i've got one |
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| 12:59.05 | dutchfish | that would be nice if i can aptitude get working again with bug reports atm |
| 12:59.06 | guzu | hello all |
| 12:59.20 | guzu | how can i add romanian language support to debian 6? |
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| 12:59.31 | wols | !locales |
| 12:59.31 | dpkg | Use `dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates locale definitions and also edits /etc/default/locale which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time. Use "LANG=C command" to change the output language for a one off command; ask me about <localised errors>. http://wiki.debian.org/Locale |
| 12:59.55 | themill | dutchfish: http://lists.debian.org/debian-infrastructure-announce/2010/05/msg00002.html |
| 12:59.56 | mentor | I believe there's some maintenance going on: possible interruptions of service |
| 13:00.12 | dutchfish | tarzeau: i am in the midle of a messed up desktop upgrade |
| 13:00.14 | guzu | wols: thank you very much |
| 13:00.25 | tarzeau | dutchfish: karmic->lucid? |
| 13:00.32 | dutchfish | themill: thank you very much ! |
| 13:00.42 | mentor | themill: bah |
| 13:00.52 | dutchfish | tarzeau: no, debian squeeze/amd64 as usual |
| 13:00.56 | themill | mentor: moo? |
| 13:01.05 | tarzeau | dutchfish: eek, wrong channel, sorry :) |
| 13:01.44 | dutchfish | tarzeau: np |
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| 13:19.27 | newb0 | Hello all! There are some way to redirect local mail messages (exim) to a real mail address? |
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| 13:19.52 | newb0 | for example, I have "root@my.homeip.net", I want receive this at GMAIL |
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| 13:20.53 | newb0 | My MTA already uses a real server to send emails, if I send a mail to myname@gmail.com I receive it correctly, but if I send to root@my.homeip.net I don't read this email yet |
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| 13:22.19 | xand | newb0: you could create an entry in /etc/aliases for it, or put the email address in .forward in the home directory |
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| 13:22.31 | wols | newb0: check logs? |
| 13:23.04 | wols | oh, redirect |
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| 13:23.54 | snodnipper | can anyone tell me why 'dpkg --build' expects DEBIAN whereas dpatch expects debian? |
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| 13:24.50 | newb0 | ah ok! I will test the forward! And if I want do this for all users in my system? (www-data, for example, has no home dir. After your hint, I could use /etc/aliases, but and if I want do this to all system users?) |
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| 13:33.47 | newb0 | xand: wols: thanks! aliases working! (/etc/email-addresses). I have how told in this file "any user: my@gmail.com"? |
| 13:34.03 | xand | er, not sure about that |
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| 13:42.26 | dutchfish | hi, what is the debian way to get eval $(gpg-agent --daemon) running through ~/.xsession (its not enabled by default) ? |
| 13:43.36 | iceroot | dutchfish: just run kgpg, which is doing the eval-thing |
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| 13:44.06 | newb0 | xand: I'm not receiving at out email from aliases (/etc/email-adresses) :( |
| 13:44.10 | dutchfish | iceroot: yes, i tried that (but not) and kleopatra reports it |
| 13:44.43 | xand | newb0: it's aliases not email-addresses |
| 13:44.51 | dutchfish | iceroot: kgpg is happely running btw |
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| 13:45.55 | dominicus | With Debian Etch, was "csh" (C Shell) default? I'm curious, because my university has it configured on their main login server, and I'm wondering why they would have done that. |
| 13:46.11 | xand | dominicus: no |
| 13:46.20 | RichiH | dominicus: no |
| 13:46.25 | RichiH | always bash |
| 13:46.34 | RichiH | (though zsh is way better than either csh or bash) |
| 13:46.40 | dominicus | xand: That's what I thought. I had bash when I used Etch. |
| 13:46.43 | RichiH | !start a shell war |
| 13:46.43 | dpkg | bash sucks! |
| 13:46.48 | RichiH | \o/ |
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| 13:46.59 | dominicus | giggles |
| 13:47.01 | xand | they're probably used to something else like solaris where csh was the default |
| 13:47.08 | maligor | my univ used to have tcsh as default |
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| 13:47.18 | RichiH | it's not uncommon for universities to have weird defaults |
| 13:47.22 | dominicus | maligor: What do they use now? |
| 13:47.25 | maligor | bash |
| 13:47.37 | maligor | it's a large mixed environment tho |
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| 13:47.57 | dutchfish | iceroot: kleopatra reports: Gpg-agent connectivity: not reachable | Check that gpg-agent is running and that the GPG_AGENT_INFO variable is set and up-to-date |
| 13:48.12 | jelly | tcsh is probably common with people whose OSes defaulted to csh for users *cough*Solaris*cough* |
| 13:48.15 | maligor | bunch of big iron systems, lots of linux (used to be solaris) |
| 13:48.34 | maligor | and some windows |
| 13:48.43 | dutchfish | iceroot: kgpg is fully functional, i triple checked that |
| 13:49.01 | dutchfish | iceroot: any thoughts? |
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| 13:49.24 | maligor | jelly, yeah, probably comes from there |
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| 13:49.50 | iceroot | dutchfish: hm, i had the same problem on a terminal-server environment where dbus was broken |
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| 13:49.59 | dutchfish | iceroot: fyi squeeze/amd64 KDE 4.4.3 |
| 13:50.05 | iceroot | dutchfish: but not on a "normal" system without terminal-server/thin-client |
| 13:50.16 | iceroot | dutchfish: this was lenny amd64 |
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| 13:50.34 | dutchfish | iceroot: yes, i saw something about a hint over a broken dbus, i checked that but couldnt find anything related |
| 13:50.46 | martianlobster | I have this huge set of strings that look like this, "ZUMZ 101120C00020000.ZUMZ.csv" What is the easiest way to parse the first string from this set of strings? I want to parse "ZUMZ" from this string |
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| 13:51.37 | dominicus | Maligor, RichiH, xand: Thanks for the confirmation on those shells. |
| 13:51.45 | XB23 | hi guys - how can i get a list of all active interfaces? |
| 13:52.08 | wols | XB23: ifconfig |
| 13:52.50 | XB23 | what about interfaces that arnt configured in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 13:53.01 | XB23 | ive installed 2 new network cards but dont know what thre called |
| 13:53.02 | XB23 | lol |
| 13:53.04 | wols | XB23: ifconfig -a |
| 13:53.17 | wols | XB23: and lspci -nn to see what hardware you have |
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| 13:53.51 | iceroot | dutchfish: hm, if your dbus is not broken then i dont have an idea, sorry |
| 13:53.53 | XB23 | blahh how do i close a man page lol |
| 13:53.58 | XB23 | ctrl and c wont work |
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| 13:54.00 | iceroot | XB23: q |
| 13:54.12 | XB23 | ty |
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| 13:55.06 | martianlobster | hmmm maybe cut is what I need |
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| 13:55.50 | icebrain | hi! does any FTP server in Debian provide per user, per file permissions? |
| 13:56.20 | tonsofpcs | yes |
| 13:56.24 | tonsofpcs | well, kinda |
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| 13:56.35 | tonsofpcs | you can run an ftp server that follows the permissions of the filesystem |
| 13:57.05 | tonsofpcs | I'm sure there's also ftp servers that allow per-path per-user permissions, much like many windows userspace ftp servers. |
| 13:57.19 | icebrain | tonsofpcs: yeah, but fs permissions don't give you that, only the owner's, group and "others" in general. |
| 13:57.47 | icebrain | yeah, I want to say the specific permission for each user for each file |
| 13:58.14 | tonsofpcs | well, you could make a group for each set of owners.... |
| 13:58.19 | tonsofpcs | then just use group permissions |
| 13:58.22 | tonsofpcs | :s/owners/users |
| 13:58.45 | tonsofpcs | so group A is users 1,2; group B is users 1,3; group C is users 1,4 ...... |
| 13:59.03 | icebrain | but there's no 'set', each user might have completely different permissions |
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| 14:00.06 | martianlobster | I got it, cut -f 1 -d ' ' |
| 14:00.10 | mentor | icebrain: You can use ACLs |
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| 14:00.57 | BRock | http://www.raidchan.org/radio/listen.pls |
| 14:01.12 | icebrain | mentor: are they fs based? what software do I need? |
| 14:01.23 | mentor | Yes |
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| 14:02.58 | icebrain | mentor: I got a few results. Thanks! |
| 14:03.00 | mentor | icebrain: http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=linux+ACLs |
| 14:03.06 | mentor | Will tell you better than I can |
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| 14:11.38 | dp_ | if I apt-get install python-zopeinterface, apt says: Note, selecting python-zope.interface instead of python-zopeinterface --- why? |
| 14:11.55 | tonsofpcs | running debian stable, would like to use either ZFS or XFS for a file system. What do I need to get to do this? |
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| 14:13.03 | hid3 | Hello everyone. I'm trying to build a custom kernel. My debian system has got some logical volume groups. However, when I boot my custom kernel I get the 'unable to mout root fs', unknown block mapper/vg-root. Any ideas what might I be missing? |
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| 14:14.17 | mastro | can you suggest me the fastest protocol to share a disk between 3-4 server in a local network? is NFS ok? also, which filesystem do you advice? ext3? hfs? |
| 14:14.39 | tonsofpcs | mastro: depends on your file structure, etc. |
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| 14:14.57 | tonsofpcs | for what I'm doing (many large files, constantly changing), it seems that xfs is best. |
| 14:15.16 | tonsofpcs | (by large, I mean in the tens of gigabytes, easily) |
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| 14:17.34 | mastro | tonsofpcs, no, it will probably contains a lot of small files, and it should support write request from 3-4 server at the same time |
| 14:19.20 | tonsofpcs | I'd go with a journaling filesystem then. I'd suggest reiser, but that's pretty much locked up..... |
| 14:19.47 | mastro | tonsofpcs, hum... what do you mean by "locked up"? concurrency locking? |
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| 14:20.25 | tonsofpcs | no, I mean the guy who made it is in jail for murdering his wife |
| 14:20.44 | tonsofpcs | well, imprisoned |
| 14:20.51 | mastro | ah I know :) |
| 14:21.37 | mastro | tonsofpcs, well.. I think i'll go with ext3.. it's something I always used... I hope is ok.. this is a test server (for development) |
| 14:21.45 | mastro | I mean, a set of test servers |
| 14:21.52 | tonsofpcs | there hasn't been much work on reiserfs since... |
| 14:22.00 | mastro | so it should be fast but it will not have "production-like" amount of content |
| 14:22.14 | mastro | ...since he have been imprisoned? |
| 14:22.17 | tonsofpcs | right |
| 14:22.40 | tonsofpcs | mastro: I would check the restrictions on number of files (you can look at the page for each filesystem on wikipedia) as i bet that's the hold-up number for you |
| 14:22.42 | mastro | tonsofpcs, :) I always wondered why hasn't anybody forked it |
| 14:22.54 | newb0 | xand: eh, no success yet :S this line is correct at /etc/aliases file? root@server.homeip.net: saulo@gmail.com |
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| 14:23.09 | mastro | tonsofpcs, thank you very much. Do you have some suggestion on the protocol either? |
| 14:23.17 | xand | newb0: you just want root before the : |
| 14:23.18 | mastro | The network protocol |
| 14:23.31 | tonsofpcs | depends what your clients are |
| 14:23.58 | tonsofpcs | I'm using SMB and NFS to serve to OS X |
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| 14:28.48 | blue_anna | hi - how do I redirect the output from find's -exec indepedently of the main find's STD filehandles? |
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| 14:30.20 | SURFkees | Anyone know in what order the /etc/rc*.d/ scripts get executed when they have the same sequence number? Is it going by alphabetical order then? |
| 14:31.51 | blue_anna | find -exec uptime > /dev/null \; --will break because it is at bash |
| 14:32.05 | mastro | tonsofpcs, client all linux |
| 14:32.09 | blue_anna | find -exec uptime \> /dev/null \; --will pass ">" literally as an option to uptime |
| 14:32.15 | mastro | tonsofpcs, i'll go with NFS, thanks |
| 14:32.51 | blue_anna | and find -exec \( uptime \> /dev/null \) \; --find is failing to interpret () as a subshell command |
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| 14:35.06 | remoteCTRL | hi guys! |
| 14:35.19 | XB23 | hi guys on my debian if i do ping adomain.com |
| 14:35.23 | blue_anna | I guess I can always do: ruby -e 'Find.find(ARGV[0]) do |fi| ...' but in every find I've ever recognized one of the previous constructs works |
| 14:35.24 | XB23 | i get the ip back |
| 14:35.27 | XB23 | but it fails |
| 14:35.37 | XB23 | and i cant wget anything , but i can return the ip |
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| 14:35.57 | remoteCTRL | is this an ubuntu specific or do we have that in testing/unstable too; no more entries in fstab for dvd/cdrom and no more folders in /media to mount them to? |
| 14:36.23 | blue_anna | remoteCTRL: what? |
| 14:36.39 | blue_anna | remoteCTRL: oo do you mean using UUID ? |
| 14:36.56 | blue_anna | remoteCTRL: you there? |
| 14:37.02 | XB23 | any ideas what could cause that? |
| 14:37.06 | remoteCTRL | blue_anna: erm... nope not precisely |
| 14:37.06 | karlpinc | XB23: So, your dns resolves the name but you don't have connectivity to the destination host. |
| 14:37.13 | blue_anna | yea I get that :P |
| 14:37.17 | karlpinc | XB23: Try traceroute. |
| 14:37.50 | remoteCTRL | blue_anna: it used to be sufficient to for example use the commant sudo mount /media/cdrom to mount a drive but now all of the according entries in fstab are just gone |
| 14:38.20 | XB23 | yeh karlpinc |
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| 14:38.36 | XB23 | ah fixed |
| 14:38.43 | XB23 | auto eth0 iface dhcp |
| 14:38.45 | XB23 | caused it lol |
| 14:38.52 | remoteCTRL | blue_anna: yet still if the os recognizes the file system on the media it automatically mounts it to /media, now i ask myslf where do they declare that and what happens if i have two drives? |
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| 14:39.55 | blue_anna | remoteCTRL: do you have two dirves? |
| 14:40.08 | blue_anna | *drives |
| 14:40.25 | XB23 | whats the best apt-get repository to use? |
| 14:40.31 | blue_anna | remoteCTRL: post the fstab to pastebin and I'll look at it with you |
| 14:40.34 | remoteCTRL | blue_anna: well not in my laptop otherwise i would have tried already...*g* |
| 14:40.48 | blue_anna | if anyone can answer my question about proper use of the find command , that is :) |
| 14:41.02 | remoteCTRL | blue_anna: the fstab is basically ok except for the missing entries for the drives... |
| 14:41.15 | remoteCTRL | blue_anna: what was the4 question? |
| 14:41.31 | blue_anna | thanks :) -- how do I redirect the output from find's -exec indepedently of the main find's STD filehandles? |
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| 14:41.53 | newb0 | xand: working great! My last ask: and to work "echo 'ok' | mail -s "Testing" root@myname.homeip.net forwarding too? |
| 14:42.02 | blue_anna | like find -exec \( uptime \> /dev/null \) \; --this works normally but not currently |
| 14:42.04 | remoteCTRL | blue_anna: erm... hehehe sorry but frankly not a clue... |
| 14:42.08 | remoteCTRL | BUT |
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| 14:42.24 | remoteCTRL | blue_anna: i guess #bash is fitter for that kind of info;) |
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| 14:42.52 | blue_anna | remoteCTRL: I can ask there, thanks -- but this is specific to the quirkiness of find, not bash. bash handle's that same sort of construct fine |
| 14:43.06 | blue_anna | remoteCTRL: thanks |
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| 14:43.36 | remoteCTRL | blue_anna: sure thing yet still a bash command is still closer to #bash than to #debian:) |
| 14:43.40 | blue_anna | remoteCTRL: do a find /etc -maxdepth 1 -type f -exec grep /mount {} \; to find that defintion |
| 14:44.19 | blue_anna | its got to be in there somewhere |
| 14:44.21 | blue_anna | :) |
| 14:44.30 | xand | newb0: eh? |
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| 14:44.39 | blue_anna | I'm gonna go to bash -- best of luck |
| 14:45.02 | XB23 | how do i start ssh server |
| 14:45.02 | remoteCTRL | blue_anna: thats what i thought yet still the above find command returns precisely nuttin... |
| 14:45.04 | XB23 | on debian |
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| 14:45.20 | remoteCTRL | blue_anna: AND YOU THANKS! |
| 14:45.22 | remoteCTRL | oops |
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| 14:45.50 | remoteCTRL | XB23: sudo /etc/init.d/ssh start |
| 14:46.10 | XB23 | says no such file or directory |
| 14:46.14 | remoteCTRL | XB23: or could be sudo /etc/init.d/sshd start i always confuse those two |
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| 14:46.27 | XB23 | nope |
| 14:46.31 | remoteCTRL | nope? |
| 14:46.39 | remoteCTRL | ERM SUDO APT-GET INSTALL SSH? |
| 14:46.40 | newb0 | xand: I'm testing sending mail from command line too, if I write "echo 'ok' | mail -s "Testing" root" the alias redirect to my real mail. but if I add my machine name "@myname.homeip.net " do not works again. |
| 14:46.45 | karlpinc | XB23: Install openssh-server. |
| 14:46.46 | remoteCTRL | GOSH SORRY |
| 14:46.57 | karlpinc | !tell remoteCTRL about why aptitude |
| 14:47.26 | karlpinc | newb0: man mailname |
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| 14:47.37 | remoteCTRL | karlpinc: good to know in case i ever need to:) |
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| 14:48.04 | remoteCTRL | yet still i dunno where those mount options in fstab went to...:( |
| 14:48.07 | XB23 | is there a way to make apt-get udpate its sources |
| 14:48.19 | remoteCTRL | XB23: you alredy said it |
| 14:48.20 | XB23 | everythin i try to install it says PACKAGE has no installation candidate |
| 14:48.23 | remoteCTRL | sudo apt-get update |
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| 14:48.39 | karlpinc | remoteCTRL: Why tell people to use apt-get when aptitude is preferred? |
| 14:48.41 | remoteCTRL | XB23: what precisely did you try to install? |
| 14:49.04 | XB23 | ah i hadnt update the new sources i added |
| 14:49.04 | remoteCTRL | karlpinc: well as you said yourself: preferred, i prefer apt-get |
| 14:49.17 | remoteCTRL | XB23: :) |
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| 14:49.56 | remoteCTRL | karlpinc: cannot specify why, never got acquainted to it yet ... |
| 14:50.07 | karlpinc | remoteCTRL: The debian project now recommends aptitude over apt-get. This means that people (perhaps not you) will have a better experience with it. You can use what you like but you do others a disservice by recommending apt-get. |
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| 14:50.45 | xand | newb0: you have to run the exim4 config thing and tell it what your domain name for mail is |
| 14:50.48 | karlpinc | remoteCTRL: You can do the same install/remove/purge/update etc as with apt-get. Aptitude just tends to work better. |
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| 14:51.01 | Thaxll | Hi here, my server just crashed and when a look into kern.log I'm seeing weird things : task mysqld:15404 blocked for more than 120 seconds. Is it a known problem or something related to MySQL ? http://pastebin.com/yTZW7sMx |
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| 14:52.42 | remoteCTRL | karlpinc: sec pls, tel |
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| 14:55.17 | blue_anna | yeay! thanks remoteCTRL |
| 14:55.22 | remoteCTRL | karlpinc: ok, point taken, yet still i want to emphasize that it was not my intention to maladvise anybody but to provide a solution. which i did:) but yet still duely noted, ayght?:) |
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| 14:55.34 | remoteCTRL | blue_anna: got it solved? |
| 14:55.46 | blue_anna | find . -exec bash -c 'foobar >/dev/null' \; works |
| 14:56.35 | remoteCTRL | blue_anna: which does not really differ from your previous attempt exept for the brackets? |
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| 14:57.42 | blue_anna | remoteCTRL: oh it does -- this version of find doesn't know to simply pass the command out through system() apparently.... |
| 14:57.52 | blue_anna | and tries to be too clever |
| 14:58.31 | remoteCTRL | blue_anna: which generally results in some sort of bs outcome...*g* |
| 14:58.41 | blue_anna | it'll get fixed |
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| 14:59.15 | remoteCTRL | i hope me too :/ |
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| 15:03.32 | blue_anna | remoteCTRL: did you mean media or remote? |
| 15:03.43 | blue_anna | ** /media or /mount |
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| 15:05.36 | reber | hi all. wich of these would you recommend for monitoring servers : http://mashable.com/2010/04/09/free-uptime-monitoring/ |
| 15:06.15 | Kuifje111 | enter "uptime" from the prompt? |
| 15:06.31 | Kuifje111 | oh, never mind |
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| 15:13.13 | remoteCTRL | blue_anna: beg your pardon? |
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| 15:13.34 | remoteCTRL | blue_anna: ah! nope talking bout cdrom drives |
| 15:13.35 | blue_anna | your mount point, .. did you mean /media or /mount? |
| 15:13.47 | remoteCTRL | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:14.13 | remoteCTRL | there used to be some /media/cdrom /media/cdrom0 /media/cdrom1 dirs in there those are also gone |
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| 15:18.29 | General_Jung | Hi I have to compile some programms for the busybox (STAR CPU/ARM) |
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| 15:30.23 | jamesstanley | I am trying to set up fail2ban, but it seems that "If time reference is not the same everywhere, then fail2ban won't ban any IP!", so how do I get /var/log/auth.log to know what the time is? |
| 15:30.58 | jamesstanley | The "date" program shows me the correct time, but /var/log/auth.log has times about 19 hours ahead |
| 15:31.24 | jelly | jamesstanley: even after restarting syslog? |
| 15:31.25 | jamesstanley | i've dpkg-reconfigure'd tzdata and it hasn't changed the auth.log timestamps (not even the new ones) |
| 15:31.52 | jamesstanley | jelly: aha! |
| 15:31.54 | jamesstanley | thank you very much |
| 15:31.58 | jamesstanley | restarting syslog fixed it |
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| 15:44.18 | newb0 | xand: all working good, thanks! :) |
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| 15:54.20 | thrashold | Hello. I have a drive with NTFS-3G partitions. When I connect it to USB, I can mount it as a user and everything. When I connect it to eSATA, I can't. I tried adding entry to fstab (with options user), but "mount /media/Whatever" says I don't have privileges, and KDE complains that there is an entry in fstab |
| 15:54.33 | thrashold | How can I make the eSATA usable? |
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| 15:55.20 | thrashold | I wrote udev rules to set the group of the devices as "floppy" |
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| 15:55.52 | thrashold | Is there something I can do to make hal believe the device is a USB device? |
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| 15:58.48 | karlpinc | thrashold: You could try adding the user to the "disk" group. (And then re-logging in, or using su, etc.) |
| 15:58.48 | thrashold | Making ntfs-3g setuid root helps, but it seems scary, and also these things are not needed for a USB device |
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| 15:58.49 | thrashold | karlpinc: I prefer not to have full write access to the normal disks :) |
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| 15:58.49 | thrashold | I can accidentaly wipe them out :) |
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| 15:59.27 | karlpinc | thrashold: It was just a guess. But there may be a group entry required, perhaps. What version of debian? |
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| 16:00.34 | thrashold | karlpinc: Well, making ntfs-3g setuid root fixes the problem, but I don't like it as a solution. I also want to make it behave as close as possible to a removable device. (USB devices are considered removable by default, but the only udev rule I see is the one that sets the group to "floppy", and I already added it for my external drive) |
| 16:00.41 | thrashold | karlpinc: Anyway, sid |
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| 16:00.49 | karlpinc | thrashold: Humm. Seems a bad guess. |
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| 16:02.55 | karlpinc | thrashold: You could write the udev people at linux-hotplug@vger.kernel.org. |
| 16:03.22 | thrashold | I don't think this is an udev problem, it's hal that refuses to mount it, and I believe the part of hal that does it is deprecated |
| 16:03.33 | karlpinc | thrashold: Or file a bug. sid does break. It may be a fuse thing. |
| 16:04.00 | karlpinc | thrashold: And so it would be fuse that needs help. |
| 16:04.26 | amee2k | how can i force verification on an MD RAID1 unit? |
| 16:04.38 | thrashold | Well, according to the ntfs-3g, it is expected behaviour (and they consider it wrong on the part of the mount command) :) |
| 16:04.54 | thrashold | amee2k: echo repair > /sys/block/mdX/md/sync_action |
| 16:04.58 | thrashold | amee2k: Or echo check |
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| 16:07.09 | amee2k | thanks thrashold |
| 16:07.17 | amee2k | if you don't mind, where is this documented? |
| 16:07.34 | thrashold | amee2k: I found it by doing 'cat /whatever/sync_action' :) |
| 16:08.05 | thrashold | check wouldn't correct the errors, only scan for them, then you can cat the mismatch_cnt file to see if there were any |
| 16:08.06 | amee2k | i've been searching the mdadm man page up and down, but couldn't find anything |
| 16:08.07 | r0nin | how difficult is it to recover a level 1 raid with mdadm? |
| 16:08.22 | thrashold | amee2k: It isn't there |
| 16:08.28 | amee2k | hehe :) |
| 16:08.28 | thrashold | r0nin: What do you mean? |
| 16:09.08 | thrashold | amee2k: Note that you should never need this in theory. Unless your controller is broken, the disk will be repaired automatically if there's need to |
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| 16:09.32 | john_someguy | Hello! Finaly i'm on debian lenny :)) |
| 16:09.33 | thrashold | amee2k: I believe that md flips a flag on all disks before writing, and then flips it back |
| 16:09.55 | thrashold | john_someguy: That's almost as old as cavemen :P |
| 16:09.56 | amee2k | thrashold: well, i just had a strange crash which may have been due to a power supply problem. now i just want to have the array verified |
| 16:10.04 | karlpinc | thrashold: Is there an mdadm option to do that or is /sys the only way? |
| 16:10.05 | amee2k | so no bad surprises pop up later |
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| 16:10.20 | john_someguy | thrashold: Haha well, i'm old too :D But the best part is, no more ubuntu :D |
| 16:10.32 | karlpinc | john_someguy: I prefer lenny. I just want my box to work. |
| 16:10.34 | amee2k | it was very strange... disks randomly spun up and shut down again |
| 16:10.47 | thrashold | amee2k: If it didn't decide to check itself, it is probably alright. But you can stirr it by the check and make sure there are no bad blocks and stuff |
| 16:10.48 | amee2k | as if someone was randomly unplugging them |
| 16:11.18 | john_someguy | karlpinc: I just installed base + laptop stuff.... so I'm on irssi... i want a clean non bloated gnome... |
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| 16:11.33 | thrashold | amee2k: Bad connection (verify cabling, etc.), drive self tests, controller going away -> see dmesg |
| 16:11.35 | wols | john_someguy: disable recommends and then /msg dpkg install gnome |
| 16:11.36 | karlpinc | john_someguy: That's how I usually do it too. Just install base and go from there. |
| 16:12.01 | john_someguy | wols: disable recommends? |
| 16:12.05 | amee2k | thrashold: when i noticed, i powered the box off and cold-started it again. now it seems fine |
| 16:12.12 | amee2k | was very strange though |
| 16:12.18 | karlpinc | john_someguy: It's disabled by default afaik. |
| 16:12.22 | amee2k | scoping the power rails but they seem stable |
| 16:12.35 | amee2k | the PSU however is a bit on the weak side indeed |
| 16:12.45 | wols | john_someguy: /msg dpkg apt-recommends |
| 16:12.48 | john_someguy | karlpinc: ok, so just apt-get install gnome ? |
| 16:12.54 | john_someguy | wols: ah ok :) |
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| 16:12.57 | karlpinc | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:13.02 | amee2k | i'm wondering if disks spinning down due to being idle, then firing up again all at once (in a raid array) could have caused this |
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| 16:13.05 | wols | karlpinc: it's not |
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| 16:13.29 | karlpinc | wols: Thanks. I'm behind the times I guess. |
| 16:13.29 | john_someguy | karlpinc: nothing happend? Maybe irssi can't handle popups? |
| 16:13.52 | thrashold | amee2k: The SATA connectors should be designed in a way that makes bad connection not much probable (unless you don't plug the connectors to the end, or the drive soldering is broken). Maybe motherboard issue, or drive self test. Record dmesg the next time, and try to access the drives afterwards, and then check dmesg again |
| 16:14.18 | paranoidphreak | hi everybody, i have just gotten a new laptop and the sound it too low that i can barely hear it. i tried maxing all the volume controls but still. can anyone help me please? |
| 16:14.20 | amee2k | hmmm okay |
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| 16:14.32 | karlpinc | john_someguy: You probably want to use aptitude, but yes. Except do see what /msg dpkg apt-recommends says. You get to it by typing alt-2 or alt-3 or something. The default irssi is odd and does not show /msg output. |
| 16:14.43 | amee2k | i'm running the check on the array now. when its done i can try a SMART self test too |
| 16:14.59 | amee2k | first thing i did naturally was check out smart health status, but all drives check out |
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| 16:15.56 | john_someguy | karlpinc: Oh that, aptitude. Didn't know it was still around. Last time I used debian was 2004... then went back to windows :(. But this time it will be 100% linux :) |
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| 16:16.14 | karlpinc | paranoidphreak: I heard somebody else with the same complaint the other day. I think his headphones work. He eventually got it working, I think. |
| 16:16.25 | karlpinc | !tell john_someguy about why aptitude |
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| 16:17.07 | paranoidphreak | karlpinc: oh that's good; hopefully, i'm able to do the same thing |
| 16:17.12 | john_someguy | karlpinc: can't see dpkg output :( tried alt-2 -3...etc |
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| 16:17.29 | amee2k | scoping the rails, 5V looks clean |
| 16:17.48 | amee2k | but i have ~100mV ripple at ~52kHz on the 12V rail |
| 16:17.58 | amee2k | could that be a sign of excessive current draw? |
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| 16:18.19 | john_someguy | paranoidphreak: had problems with my laptop and ubuntu. had to do killall pulseaudio and alsa force-restart something... |
| 16:18.51 | karlpinc | john_someguy: I believe that "SET use_msgs_window OFF" in ~/.irssi/startup will let you see messages in the default "window". |
| 16:19.32 | john_someguy | karlpinc: must I restart the program, or can i use another console to edit it? |
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| 16:19.48 | sepult | cross coompiling ? |
| 16:19.51 | sepult | hmmmm |
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| 16:20.05 | glphvgacs | i read here: http://wiki.debian.org/IntelMac/BootLoader that Currently there are limitations in Linux and X.org which need addressing (their video drivers need BIOS to initial video hardware for acceleration), but longer-term this should be an acceptable solution. |
| 16:20.09 | glphvgacs | is that still the case? |
| 16:20.12 | karlpinc | john_someguy: You can start it again in another console, or use job control. You won't be able to get a duplicate nick, but so what. |
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| 16:20.37 | mentor | glphvgacs: Depends on the video card |
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| 16:21.18 | john_someguy | karlpinc: hm, lost it... it scrolled away :D never mind. I'll try aptitude :) |
| 16:21.18 | karlpinc | john_someguy: See |
| 16:21.21 | paranoidphreak | john_someguy: i've tride the following commands: "killall pulseaudio" and "alsa force-restart" but it says no process found |
| 16:21.25 | karlpinc | http://irssi.org/documentation/startup#c1 |
| 16:21.45 | glphvgacs | mentor: 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03) |
| 16:21.54 | john_someguy | paranoidphreak: hm, don't know then :( |
| 16:22.06 | john_someguy | karlpinc: See you around. Thanks for help :) |
| 16:22.09 | john_someguy | later |
| 16:22.17 | karlpinc | !tell paranoidphreak about alsa install |
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| 16:22.23 | karlpinc | paranoidphreak: ^^ may or may not help. |
| 16:22.26 | mentor | glphvgacs: modesetting support for most Intel chipsets is in newer kernels |
| 16:22.47 | paranoidphreak | john_someguy: thanks anyways for your help |
| 16:23.04 | paranoidphreak | karlpinc: thanks, i'll give it a shop |
| 16:23.27 | glphvgacs | mentor: does that mean that i can use a single stage boot, with the EFI version of GRUB 2 |
| 16:23.47 | mentor | I have no idea |
| 16:24.37 | glphvgacs | mentor: do u know where i can ask this question besides #xorg which is dead silence? |
| 16:24.42 | jpinx-eeepc | !tell paranoidphreak about alsa checklist |
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| 16:24.55 | mentor | glphvgacs: I would ask the grub people? |
| 16:25.22 | paranoidphreak | jpinx-eeepc: thanks |
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| 16:25.43 | jpinx-eeepc | paranoidphreak: also man kill ;) |
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| 16:30.16 | r0nin | thrashold: I mean if I setup a level 1 raid with two drives with mdadm, and say one goes down or I have to place them in another machine, would it be really difficult to get them going again? or would I simply reconfigure the raid one setup like I did in the first place |
| 16:30.35 | r0nin | sry work pulled me away for a min |
| 16:30.47 | paranoidphreak | thanks for everyones help but i'll try it some othertime |
| 16:30.55 | r0nin | I plan to do it on a test rig first anyway |
| 16:31.44 | karlpinc | r0nin: It's not difficult. That's the point of raid1 to be able to replace a drive. But you'll likely need to rtfm. |
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| 16:32.56 | papul | hi. do i need to reinstall to upgrade to unstable? |
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| 16:33.28 | jpinx-eeepc | papul: no - but if you have to ask that I query the wisdom of your upgrade |
| 16:33.40 | papul | ? |
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| 16:34.01 | papul | oops i meant testing |
| 16:34.18 | jpinx-eeepc | papul: same for testing |
| 16:34.33 | jpinx-eeepc | stable is stable - everything "newer" is not |
| 16:34.35 | papul | what do i have to do? |
| 16:34.41 | sh0t | Hi all, how can I know the name of the package that contains bnf latex package? |
| 16:34.48 | karlpinc | papul: Why would you want to? |
| 16:35.00 | papul | karlpinc, i want kde 4.4.2 :| |
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| 16:35.01 | karlpinc | sh0t: use apt-file? |
| 16:35.08 | karlpinc | !sns |
| 16:35.08 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
| 16:35.42 | karlpinc | papul: But it's unlikely you'll find a newer kde backported, or be able to backport it yourself. |
| 16:35.43 | jpinx-eeepc | papul: use stable and backports ;) |
| 16:35.47 | wols | !tell papul about lenny->squeeze |
| 16:35.48 | jhutchins_lt | karlpinc: There is legitmate interest in KDE4 among those with newer hardware. |
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| 16:36.04 | jhutchins_lt | karlpinc: It's what all the magazine articles are talking about, and it's not available for lenny. |
| 16:36.20 | wols | papul: there will most certainly be problems with testing, inculding with kde4. when, not if, you do, no support |
| 16:36.37 | jhutchins_lt | I have one older box that got upgraded to it (Ubuntu) and it's as slow as Windows on it. Just horrible. |
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| 16:36.49 | jhutchins_lt | It's like an 800MHz AMD. |
| 16:36.54 | sh0t | karlpinc, i try... actually i don't have apt-file i install it and then i try to use it. |
| 16:37.10 | wols | sh0t: packages.debian.org is a substitute |
| 16:37.19 | karlpinc | sh0t: Yes. You need to do "apt-file update" first thing. |
| 16:37.20 | jhutchins_lt | papul: If you need your computer for everyday use, you might consider a dual-boot or a VM. |
| 16:37.29 | sh0t | ok karlpinc |
| 16:37.35 | sh0t | thanks wols |
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| 16:38.48 | karlpinc | wols: Good point. I can never remember that. |
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| 16:41.43 | lgbr | I've chosen to use openjdk-6-jre, but I get complaints from apt and dpkg often about not having sun-java6-jre. Is there a way around this? |
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| 16:42.08 | r0nin | trying to install mdadm but apt wants to install exim4 also... why? |
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| 16:42.24 | wols | r0nin: are recommends disabled? |
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| 16:42.36 | r0nin | not if its on my default |
| 16:42.38 | wols | r0nin: and you have no MTA. that's a broken system |
| 16:42.41 | r0nin | by* |
| 16:44.23 | r0nin | exit |
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| 16:44.43 | r0nin | oh I have to have a MTA? |
| 16:45.08 | r0nin | I was under the impression it was only for an email server |
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| 16:45.54 | wols | debian sends mail locally too |
| 16:46.10 | sepult | r0nin: install me as your MTA i could bring the posts to the wrong addressess so easily |
| 16:46.15 | sepult | lol |
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| 16:48.30 | smhar | greetings |
| 16:49.17 | smhar | I installed docky on squeeze but got the following error: http://paste.debian.net/75207/ , no idea where to look for solution! |
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| 16:53.18 | wols | smhar: looks like you miss some dependency? |
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| 16:54.19 | wols | smhar: does Composite work otherwise? |
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| 16:55.19 | SirStan | If I want to setup a debian server, do I need all 5 DVD iso's? |
| 16:55.28 | sepult | no |
| 16:55.32 | karlpinc | SirStan: Your best choice is a netinstall cd. |
| 16:55.48 | SirStan | thx |
| 16:56.35 | smhar | wols, I run compiz and now I lost my borders and the ability to change windows |
| 16:56.56 | fruitwerks | ugh |
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| 16:57.08 | fruitwerks | anyone know how to downgrade php from testing to stable? |
| 16:57.18 | karlpinc | !tell fruitwerks about downgrade |
| 16:57.33 | General_Jung | packages.debian.org and then force should work |
| 16:59.47 | General_Jung | and /etc/apt/preferences |
| 16:59.59 | fruitwerks | hmm what is that folder that has the php build date in it? |
| 17:00.20 | fruitwerks | I need to make sure I et the same exact version I had |
| 17:00.24 | General_Jung | should be available in aptitiude maybe |
| 17:00.40 | General_Jung | php5 -v |
| 17:00.59 | fruitwerks | yeah thats the new version that breaks everything :) |
| 17:01.17 | General_Jung | php -v |
| 17:01.33 | General_Jung | I don´t knwo if there is anything listed in php.ini |
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| 17:02.01 | General_Jung | do really need the exact buidl date ? |
| 17:02.08 | smhar | how can I bring back my window manager in gnome after it crashed |
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| 17:02.10 | General_Jung | oder the internal changelog |
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| 17:02.14 | General_Jung | in the deb |
| 17:02.15 | General_Jung | package |
| 17:02.40 | General_Jung | this should be also available via packages.debian.oreg |
| 17:02.51 | fruitwerks | I need the same exact version I had - I forgot I hade like 300 pear modules installed, and most of them don't work past that version I had |
| 17:03.02 | fruitwerks | ... brb |
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| 17:03.55 | General_Jung | Can anyone say me howto compile a programm for busbox |
| 17:03.56 | General_Jung | on arm |
| 17:03.59 | General_Jung | STAR |
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| 17:05.27 | fruitwerks | there it is usr/lib/php5/20060613 |
| 17:05.30 | jpinx-eeepc | judd: versions wpa-supplicant |
| 17:05.32 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'wpa-supplicant' was found. |
| 17:05.46 | jpinx-eeepc | judd: versions wpa_supplicant |
| 17:05.48 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'wpa_supplicant' was found. |
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| 17:06.11 | fruitwerks | oh that is always a fun one lol |
| 17:06.14 | dirkson | Has anyone ever introduced the idea of package synonyms? If I tell apt to install 'snes9x' it's a 100% safe bet that I actually want it to install the package that has been obscurely named snes9x-x |
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| 17:06.54 | smhar | I installed docky on squeeze but got the following error: http://paste.debian.net/75207/ , no idea where to look for solution! |
| 17:07.12 | smhar | I got my wm back :-) |
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| 17:09.02 | qq- | jpinx-eeepc, /msg judd versions wpagui |
| 17:09.23 | jpinx-eeepc | qq-: thanks |
| 17:09.28 | qq- | yw |
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| 17:12.29 | qq- | jpinx-eeepc, or /msg judd versions wpasupplicant |
| 17:13.20 | jpinx-eeepc | qq-: judd can't get the pkg name right? ;) |
| 17:13.54 | qq- | no |
| 17:14.14 | jpinx-eeepc | thanks for the pointer qq- :) |
| 17:14.42 | qq- | yw |
| 17:14.59 | fruitwerks | ok aptitude shows the installed version when i search... I removed testing from my sources and updated my lists... how do i find the older version? |
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| 17:16.19 | jpinx-eeepc | !downgrade |
| 17:16.19 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>. |
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| 17:16.28 | jpinx-eeepc | fruitwerks: ↑↑ |
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| 17:16.54 | fruitwerks | argh |
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| 17:23.53 | newb0 | Hello, I want add some iptables rules to my system. In what file I should add the rules to execute at system restart? |
| 17:24.04 | newb0 | *what's the best file to do this? |
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| 17:25.12 | fruitwerks | how do I clean my package list, like I have never run-apt-get update? |
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| 17:26.03 | jpinx-eeepc | !tell fruitwerks about why aptitude |
| 17:26.14 | fruitwerks | newb0 : type iptables[TAB] in a console |
| 17:26.19 | valbaca | <tell> |
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| 17:30.00 | jelly | newb0: http://wiki.debian.org/iptables (from /msg dpkg iptables) |
| 17:30.25 | fruitwerks | ok where is the list of available packages? |
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| 17:30.49 | jelly | dpkg, tell fruitwerks about available |
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| 17:31.13 | newb0 | Thanks all :) |
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| 17:32.06 | fruitwerks | that doesn't work, it still pulls it from somewhere else |
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| 17:32.44 | jelly | what doesn't work? dselect? dpkg --update-avail? |
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| 17:32.53 | fruitwerks | removing the available file |
| 17:33.04 | jelly | did you run dpkg --update-avail after that? |
| 17:33.17 | fruitwerks | I ran aptitude update |
| 17:33.27 | fruitwerks | does nobody understand what I am trying to do? |
| 17:33.58 | jelly | does nobody try to use all the hints given in a factoid? |
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| 17:34.16 | jelly | you're trying to get rid of all the cruft in dpkg -l output |
| 17:34.26 | jelly | (most likely) |
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| 17:35.13 | jelly | that's where available crops up, and where it's most annoying |
| 17:35.17 | fruitwerks | ok let me explain again... I need to install php from stable, I removed testing from my sources.list and I am unable to get the stable versions listed |
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| 17:35.30 | solifugus | Why is there no configuration file installed with the logwatch program? |
| 17:35.40 | fruitwerks | I currently have php testing packages installed |
| 17:35.47 | jelly | fruitwerks: what does eg. "apt-cache policy php5" say? |
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| 17:36.11 | jelly | use a pastebin. |
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| 17:36.21 | fruitwerks | all the versions listed are 5.3.2-1 |
| 17:36.26 | arooni | hi folks! i have debian 4.0 and i need to upgrade ruby to >= 1.8.6. |
| 17:36.28 | arooni | how can i do this? |
| 17:36.30 | solifugus | This file does not exist, immediately after installation: /etc/logwatch/conf/logwatch.conf |
| 17:36.32 | fruitwerks | I had 5.2.7 or something close |
| 17:36.48 | jelly | fruitwerks: please paste the output of that command. |
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| 17:37.32 | fruitwerks | http://debian.pastebin.com/QzETsJVa |
| 17:37.40 | jelly | fruitwerks: among other things, it shows which repos the package is available from. This in turn may point to your not having enabled stable repos back |
| 17:37.55 | jelly | right |
| 17:38.10 | jelly | fruitwerks: no configured repository has "php5" to fetch from |
| 17:38.36 | jelly | fruitwerks: you'll have to add repos for lenny back into apt configuration, and rerun aptitude update |
| 17:38.36 | fruitwerks | that sounds very wrong |
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| 17:38.55 | fruitwerks | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian stable main non-free? |
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| 17:40.00 | fruitwerks | ok getting somewhere http://debian.pastebin.com/PN7Mb7RS |
| 17:40.03 | jelly | looks reasonable, except for not using "... http://http.us.debian.org/debian ...", and using "stable" where "lenny" is preferred |
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| 17:40.50 | viezerd | A: The Debian GNU/kFreeBSD kernel since 7.2 has ZFS support, but the userland utilities are still missing in Debian GNU/kFreeBSD. will the utils be there with squeeze ? :p |
| 17:41.02 | jelly | !kfreebsd |
| 17:41.02 | dpkg | Debian GNU/kFreeBSD is a port that consists of GNU userland using the GNU C library on top of FreeBSD's kernel, coupled with the regular Debian package set. It is a Debian Squeeze release goal for kfreebsd-amd64 and kfreebsd-i386 to become release architectures. http://www.debian.org/ports/kfreebsd-gnu/ http://glibc-bsd.alioth.debian.org/doc/ http://wiki.debian.org/Debian_GNU/kFreeBSD #debian-kbsd on irc.oftc.net. |
| 17:41.13 | jelly | viezerd: ^^ that might be a better channel to ask |
| 17:41.21 | viezerd | ah thanx |
| 17:41.32 | fruitwerks | oh that looks interesting |
| 17:41.50 | fruitwerks | ok so now how do I get this 5.2.6 version installed? |
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| 17:42.21 | jelly | dpkg, tell fruitwerks about partial downgrade |
| 17:42.31 | newb0 | jelly I created a file /etc/iptables/iptables.gateway.local with content: -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth1 -j SNAT --to 192.168.253.253 But iptables-restore < /etc/iptables.gateway.rules returns iptables-restore: line 1 failed |
| 17:42.42 | jelly | fruitwerks: ignore step (d) |
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| 17:43.10 | jelly | newb0: sounds like it's got invalid syntax |
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| 17:43.36 | newb0 | jelly: "iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth1 -j SNAT --to 192.168.253.253" tuns OK |
| 17:43.38 | jelly | newb0: why not set up your rules with the command line, then save them using iptables-save? |
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| 17:44.24 | dutchfish | can someone have a peak at this (debian/squeeze/amd64) http://debian.pastebin.com/j77FfyBt |
| 17:44.30 | newb0 | jelly, ok, I will try (I will lost my connection here, I back after try ^^ ) |
| 17:44.31 | fruitwerks | ok I'll have to do this in a bit.. I have more important things atm, thanks jelly |
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| 17:46.27 | elb0w | 大家好 |
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| 17:46.45 | Kai4711 | Hi guys, i tried to install headers via apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r` but i get an error: Couldn't find package linux-headers-2.6.9-023stab051.3-smp |
| 17:47.05 | elb0w | kernel-headers |
| 17:47.06 | elb0w | ? |
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| 17:47.26 | sepult | ↑ |
| 17:47.30 | Kai4711 | it think they are called linux-headers ?! |
| 17:47.30 | dutchfish | Kai4711: if you compile your own kernel, you should be able to build your own headers package too |
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| 17:47.40 | thrashold | Is there an utility to copy a bunch of directories recursively to two locations? I guess I can make it with tar and few tricks, but something easier? |
| 17:47.50 | Kai4711 | i didnt compile my own |
| 17:47.52 | jelly | Kai4711: sounds like you're running inside a vps. You won't be able to do anything kernel-wise anyway, including loading extra modules and possibly not even setting iptables rules |
| 17:47.54 | Kai4711 | its a vserver... |
| 17:48.09 | Kai4711 | i want to set up asterisk |
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| 17:48.17 | Kai4711 | i did it some years ago on a vps |
| 17:48.17 | jelly | Kai4711: not in a vps you don't |
| 17:48.24 | elb0w | thrashold, cp -R doesnt work for you? |
| 17:48.36 | thrashold | elb0w: It copies only to one destination |
| 17:48.43 | jelly | Kai4711: a fully virtualized solution like vmware or xen might do |
| 17:48.47 | elb0w | do it twice? |
| 17:48.55 | jelly | Kai4711: somewhere you can control the kernel |
| 17:48.58 | thrashold | elb0w: That would be two days instead of one |
| 17:49.20 | elb0w | what? |
| 17:49.43 | elb0w | why cant you run them both at the same time? |
| 17:50.01 | thrashold | Well, I can, but the cache will help only at first :) |
| 17:50.04 | jelly | thrashold: how many files? how much data? Can you restore from backups an older copy, then use rsync? |
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| 17:50.22 | thrashold | 318 GB, around 200 files |
| 17:50.32 | elb0w | thrashold, make a git repo |
| 17:50.35 | jelly | pfft, that's a couple hours at worst |
| 17:50.37 | elb0w | and do a pull for each |
| 17:50.52 | jelly | thrashold: just do it twice :-> |
| 17:50.58 | thrashold | I was thinking of running tar cp and piping it to two seperate "tar xp" processes? |
| 17:51.17 | jelly | teeing the pipe? |
| 17:51.26 | pipegeek | cute |
| 17:51.32 | thrashold | Yeah, although I'd have to write something to do it :) |
| 17:51.39 | jelly | not really |
| 17:51.57 | thrashold | What else do you suggest? :) |
| 17:52.14 | jelly | (cd source; tar cf -) | tee <(cd dest1; tar xf -) <(cd dest2; tar xf -) |
| 17:52.22 | jelly | > /dev/null, too |
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| 17:52.46 | thrashold | Thank you very much :) I'll try this :) |
| 17:52.47 | jelly | er, sorry, make that >(....) |
| 17:53.09 | jelly | it's a bash extension; works in zsh as well |
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| 17:54.06 | thrashold | It opens a fd, and passes a device? Cool :) Never know that :) |
| 17:54.41 | jelly | one less fd: (cd source; tar cf -) | tee >(cd dest1; tar xf -) > >(cd dest2; tar xf -) |
| 17:54.49 | jelly | yeah, exactly |
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| 18:11.14 | SparFux | Hello. Why does make-kpkg always rebuild the whole kernel tree, even though git pull just updated some few files? |
| 18:11.37 | SparFux | AmberJ ? |
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| 18:12.25 | AmberJ | SparFux, No idea. |
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| 18:12.46 | SparFux | AmberJ: no, just the name pulled my attention. Is it for a male?? |
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| 18:13.45 | SparFux | It's a guy's name? Crap. I want to name my daughter like this. :-\ |
| 18:13.48 | Asako | hey, does lenny support running as a xen hvm guest? |
| 18:13.52 | AmberJ | SparFux, yes. |
| 18:14.04 | SparFux | hm... |
| 18:14.10 | Asako | I booted the iso, installed everything, but now the domU won't boot |
| 18:14.17 | Asako | it says /dev/xvda1 doesn't exist |
| 18:14.28 | AmberJ | SparFux, Usually this is a girlie name. But, there are exceptions |
| 18:14.39 | SparFux | Ah, ok. then it's good :-) |
| 18:15.00 | SparFux | you know, it's a cool name I think, and it's good to know I could even name my son like that :-D |
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| 18:15.16 | ||cw | SparFux: such as Jane in the Firefly series |
| 18:15.29 | AmberJ | SparFux, Though in hindi (Indian language), it usually refers to sky which is considered masculine, imo |
| 18:16.14 | SparFux | Yeah, mixed names are the best. Anyway. I am really irritated make-kpkg always recompiles every single files, it takes ages and consumes energy. |
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| 18:17.18 | ||cw | SparFux: probably to be safe. I've seen odd issues happen when I don't make clean after only changing 1 file |
| 18:17.27 | ||cw | and a module driver at that |
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| 18:18.06 | SparFux | ||cw: Aha, so that's the reason. Strange thing, but if it like that, it may be best to recompile the whole thingy. |
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| 18:22.26 | SparFux | ||cw: what if I know the changed don't need total kernel recompile, is there an option for dpkg / aptitude to prevent that? |
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| 18:23.44 | guevolt | How can I create a skeleton of folders to create users(adduser) ? |
| 18:24.26 | Dunge | Is there a way from a C/C++ application to detect if a ethernet cable is plugged? A bit like in Gnome showing the ethernet icon in the task bar when you plug to cable. I found some console commands, but I would prefer a signal/interruption or something instead of having a timer constantly running the command, save in file, parse the file, etc. |
| 18:24.41 | ||cw | SparFux: then use debian/rules directly yourself |
| 18:25.03 | ||cw | guevolt: /etc/skel/ |
| 18:26.15 | guevolt | ||cw: just create the folders in this path ? |
| 18:26.23 | ||cw | yup |
| 18:27.44 | guevolt | great |
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| 18:30.33 | guevolt | ||cw: what about quota? Can I set a default value to future users ? |
| 18:31.00 | rednammoc1 | hi guys. i have an ide which project-files are located in /var/www/. my user has complete access to the file. if i startup my webbrowser and locate to the file it says: permission denied. chown -R www-data:www-data /var/www/project/ . everything is working. if i wanna work with my ide and want to delete a file it says: permission denied. chown -R rednammoc:rednammoc /var/www/project. everything is working. i do not want to ch |
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| 18:33.02 | ||cw | guevolt: you can make a scirpt that wrapps useradd with whatever options you want, including specifying a different skel if you want |
| 18:33.30 | ||cw | quota i think is a separate command though, which your script could call |
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| 18:34.44 | guevolt | humm... right. Does possible set soft/hardquota in one command line ? |
| 18:34.45 | gravity | Dunge: Presumably you can through libudev or something similar. |
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| 18:34.55 | gravity | Dunge: You might want to look at how something like gnome-power-manager does it |
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| 18:35.46 | ||cw | rednammoc1: chmod a+r ? |
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| 18:36.42 | rednammoc1 | ||cw: is there no other way as changing the permission of the file ? |
| 18:36.56 | ||cw | well, it's a permissions issue... |
| 18:37.58 | ||cw | I guess you could run the ide as www-data, but that seems a bit odd too |
| 18:38.21 | ||cw | personally, i don't like having my www files writable by the httpd instance |
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| 18:38.42 | ||cw | unless they are outside the web root and some measure of security around them |
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| 18:41.11 | rednammoc1 | ||cw: yeah. ok. thx |
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| 18:47.03 | m8 | Hi, there is some software like MaxVista or ZoneView? for use use my second PC as an extra monitor (extend the desktop on a second pc) Thanks in advice. |
| 18:47.16 | ScottO_ | any reason why i would be getting 'no space left on device' errors all over the place? the drive has 38 gigs free as reported by df. Also i did a forced fsck on the drive in question, and eveything was ok. |
| 18:48.06 | ScottO_ | m8: ive heard of something like that before |
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| 18:48.38 | m8 | ScottO_, yo dont? |
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| 18:49.08 | marienz | ScottO_: df -i |
| 18:49.15 | ScottO_ | m8: synergy |
| 18:49.41 | m8 | ScottO_, but is not for extend desktop, is a virtual kvm |
| 18:50.03 | ScottO_ | m8: did you look for synergy? |
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| 18:50.46 | m8 | ScottO_, i saw synergy, but i know synergy is a virtual kvm |
| 18:50.53 | m8 | not "desktop extender" :) |
| 18:50.59 | ScottO_ | isnt that what the windows apps you mentioend do? |
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| 18:51.14 | ScottO_ | ok synergy si not a "desktop extender" |
| 18:51.51 | ScottO_ | it allows you to use multiple pcs with ultiple monitors and a single set of keyboard/mouse seamlessly |
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| 18:51.52 | marienz | m8: might want to look up "dmx" |
| 18:52.13 | m8 | marienz, dmx |
| 18:52.15 | m8 | ok |
| 18:52.22 | marienz | m8: http://dmx.sourceforge.net/ that is |
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| 18:52.35 | ScottO_ | m8: do you want to extend the current desktop to a second monitor? or do you want to control another pc as if it was part of the current desktop? |
| 18:52.36 | Kuifje111 | im trying to run ZNC on my box, but I get this error: [ !! ] Binding to port [1000]... [ Unable to bind [Permission denied] ] |
| 18:52.57 | marienz | Kuifje111: 1000 is a low port so you need to be root to bind it |
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| 18:53.10 | Kuifje111 | marienz: all right. |
| 18:53.20 | marienz | znull: pick a higher port (or run znc as root, but that's probably not the sane solution) |
| 18:53.30 | marienz | znull: sorry, wrong nick |
| 18:53.41 | Kuifje111 | marienz: when do I get to a 'high' port? |
| 18:53.47 | cga | hi all |
| 18:53.52 | ScottO_ | dmx is just a way to get a single x session across multiple monitors |
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| 18:54.05 | \amethyst | Kuifje111: 1024 and up |
| 18:54.07 | m8 | marienz, have you used this software before?:D |
| 18:54.09 | ScottO_ | which has nothing to do wityh using a second pc as if it was on the same desktop |
| 18:54.19 | marienz | m8: no |
| 18:54.25 | marienz | Kuifje111: pretty sure it's above 1024 |
| 18:54.25 | Kuifje111 | \amethyst: that is useful, thanks. |
| 18:54.31 | Kuifje111 | thanks! |
| 18:54.45 | marienz | ScottO_: I don't know if I'm interpreting his question correctly, but if I am it answers it :) |
| 18:55.03 | m8 | ok marienz thanks :) |
| 18:55.06 | ScottO_ | m8: maybe it best you explain what you trying to do instead of giving a windows software example |
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| 18:55.13 | marienz | that is good advice |
| 18:55.36 | marienz | I was assuming "extend the desktop" meant "extend the X session", pretty much |
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| 18:55.52 | ScottO_ | but he mentioend he had a second pc |
| 18:55.56 | marienz | yes. |
| 18:56.01 | ScottO_ | which made me think of synergy |
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| 18:56.24 | marienz | I'm assuming what he wants to do is effectively multihead, but using two systems instead of a video card with multiple outputs. Which is what dmx is supposed to do. |
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| 18:56.48 | marienz | but it's entirely possible I misinterpreted the question. |
| 18:56.56 | ScottO_ | same here :P |
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| 18:57.07 | ScottO_ | ive never used either of those windwos apps |
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| 19:00.22 | ScottO_ | marienz: why is df -i showing different data? |
| 19:00.48 | ScottO_ | ah no innodes left but disk space is left |
| 19:00.50 | ScottO_ | weird |
| 19:00.56 | ScottO_ | why does this always happen? |
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| 19:02.28 | marienz | ScottO_: because filesystems are terrible |
| 19:02.36 | ScottO_ | is the one that isnt? |
| 19:02.43 | ScottO_ | i thought ext3 would be nice :( |
| 19:03.05 | marienz | ScottO_: you can change the inode ratio when you create the filesystem, but I don't think you can add inodes later |
| 19:03.24 | marienz | (I could be wrong about that) |
| 19:03.39 | ScottO_ | will ext4 still have this issue? |
| 19:04.10 | ScottO_ | n/m it was type 82 |
| 19:04.29 | ScottO_ | n/m im talking out my ass now |
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| 19:05.36 | marienz | once linux has actually booted those types don't usually matter |
| 19:05.44 | kuber | attn: gary coleman has passed away. RIP. |
| 19:05.50 | ScottO_ | seriously? |
| 19:05.54 | ScottO_ | OMG |
| 19:06.00 | kuber | yeah :\ |
| 19:06.21 | trupheenix | hi i want to upgrade to the latest glibc what should i do? |
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| 19:08.37 | streuner | trupheenix: read /msg dpkg sid first? |
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| 19:09.20 | trupheenix | streuner, i'm on lennt |
| 19:09.44 | trupheenix | streuner, i'm on lenny |
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| 19:10.36 | trupheenix | streuner, ? |
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| 19:12.20 | trupheenix | ? |
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| 19:13.32 | aidan | Is there something easy I can install on my box in the USA if I want to http proxy around the firewall in china? |
| 19:14.41 | trupheenix | aidan, yes |
| 19:14.46 | trupheenix | aidan, but why should i tell u? |
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| 19:15.54 | Naxci_035 | fuck all |
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| 19:17.02 | Naxci_035 | turkish |
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| 19:17.04 | hid3 | Hello everyone. I'm trying to build a custom kernel. My debian system has got some logical volume groups. However, when I boot my custom kernel I get the 'unable to mout root fs', unknown block mapper/vg-root. Any ideas what might I be missing? |
| 19:17.04 | Naxci_035 | azeri??? |
| 19:17.36 | wols | aidan: danted. a SOCKS proxy server |
| 19:17.58 | wols | hid3: why do you need a custom kernel? |
| 19:18.19 | wols | !tr |
| 19:18.19 | dpkg | methinks tr is türkçe yardIm için #debian.tr (irc.freenode.net): -- if you need help in turkish, please join #debian.tr on irc.freenode.net, or http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~rakewell/z88/keyboards/turkish.jpg |
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| 19:19.59 | aidan | trupheenix: ? |
| 19:20.03 | aidan | wols: thanks |
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| 19:20.27 | wols | aidan: it's not easy however |
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| 19:20.31 | trupheenix | aidan, yes u require a socks proxy server |
| 19:20.36 | wols | aidan: start with a ssh server first |
| 19:20.39 | trupheenix | aidan, i would suggest u try setting up TOR |
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| 19:20.54 | trupheenix | aidan, if ur in china it will get around their great fire wall |
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| 19:22.02 | aidan | tor is so slow though, I can ssh my machine at the moment, I really just want to log onto facebook ... |
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| 19:23.38 | aidan | I could use lynx on the remote server I guess |
| 19:23.47 | aidan | what's this dynamic port forwarding? |
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| 19:26.45 | iuri | does anyone know a good convertion to ole2 to csv? |
| 19:26.51 | hid3 | wols: to increase system performance, turn on options I want and turn off oftions I won't ever need. Also, I like to build driver modules statically. Why might I don't want my custom kernel? |
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| 19:27.05 | iuri | i tried catdoc but it doesnt work |
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| 19:30.05 | lennartack | can someone help me building a kernel? |
| 19:30.34 | hid3 | lennartack: and why do YOU also want a custom kernel? |
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| 19:31.27 | lennartack | I want to have both the xen and vserver image in one |
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| 19:31.49 | lennartack | (I need to have vserver inside a xen virtual server) |
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| 19:32.39 | linis | i cant get the bluetooth working on my Dell Inspiron 1440, heres the lspci http://paste.debian.net/75225/ |
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| 19:34.12 | wols | hid3: your question above clearly shows why not. as for the performance bullshit: that's what it is. BULLSHIT |
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| 19:35.11 | wols | linis: bluetooth devices are never PCI based but USB |
| 19:35.22 | wols | !tell lennartack about kernel-package |
| 19:35.37 | hid3 | wols: I get LESS load average and LESS cpu usage with my custom kernel. It runs on fairly slow machine (pentium 2, 400 mhz). So saving some cycles and a few megs of memory really makes a little sense |
| 19:36.04 | wols | hid3: you're funny. please entertain me more! |
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| 19:36.19 | wols | linis: "lsusb" btw |
| 19:36.22 | hid3 | wols... Why I'm so funny? |
| 19:36.31 | lennartack | wols, I followed the instructions form the debian linux kernel handbook but I couldn't figure how to do what I want |
| 19:37.01 | lennartack | I did try something but that didn't work as I expected :P |
| 19:37.02 | linis | wols: oh sorry. will paste the lsusb now |
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| 19:37.43 | OperaFan | hi, anyone know if it's possible to use lighttpd and libapache2-svn |
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| 19:38.37 | linis | wols: heres my lsusb http://paste.debian.net/75226/ |
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| 19:41.22 | wols | linis: http://fedoraforum.org/forum/showthread.php?t=232228 or you can google for other occurrences of the 0c45:6400 USB ID |
| 19:41.55 | wols | the command is in bluez-utils |
| 19:42.05 | wols | ,versions bluez-utils |
| 19:42.06 | judd | bluez-utils -- etch: 3.7-1; lenny: 3.36-3; lenny-backports: 4.60-1~bpo50+1; sid: 4.63-2; squeeze: 4.63-2 |
| 19:42.15 | hid3 | :( |
| 19:43.24 | hid3 | lenny is the worst release I've ever had. Ethtool does not support LRO, there's no possibility to deactivate that annoying blinking cursor in gnome-terminal and the default kernel's drivers do not work with my sound card! |
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| 19:46.58 | Thaxll | go windows ! |
| 19:47.09 | hid3 | Anyone will participare in Terena2010 on the 31st of May? |
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| 19:47.49 | hid3 | Thaxll: I use windows on all my desktops. I'm forced to use Linux as a desktop only at work. All my servers run linux (debian), though. |
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| 19:48.16 | tharkun | hid3: This is why it is call free, you are free to walk away whenever you want |
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| 19:48.43 | lennartack | hid3 I use Arch linux for desktop, beats windows for sure |
| 19:48.58 | Thaxll | hid3: I was kiding about win, but i disagree about Lenny |
| 19:49.38 | tharkun | Etch was a bumpy ride, potatoe was a bumpy ride, lenny is a breeze over calm waters |
| 19:49.38 | hid3 | Thaxll: yeah, just a joke about that. But seems it's much coincidence for me |
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| 19:50.00 | hid3 | I liked woody! |
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| 19:51.07 | lennartack | Can anybody offer me advice on combining linux-image-xen and linux-image-vserver? Can't figure how to do it.. |
| 19:51.15 | hid3 | Not sure why everyone blames on me for making custom kernels. My current kernel weights 1030 kB, has got ZERO loadable modules and no initramfs, etc... I love it! |
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| 19:52.31 | linis | wols: the execution of the hid2hci command gives me an invalid v option and when i remove the v, it gives an "No devices in HID mode found" |
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| 19:57.31 | yorty | bonsoir |
| 19:57.57 | yorty | quelqu'un serait il si xdm gère la transparence ? |
| 19:59.14 | tharkun | !fr |
| 19:59.14 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net. |
| 19:59.14 | yorty | sorry |
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| 19:59.14 | tharkun | yorty: pas de probleme |
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| 20:01.07 | tharkun | yorty: don't bother , you heard the whole of my french :) |
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| 20:10.59 | sparr | during a recent apt-get autoremove I lost gdm, my gnome screensaver, and my gnome ui theme. i reinstalled gdm so that i could run X normally. what packages would the others be in? |
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| 20:16.35 | mnuhmnuh | sparr: see apt-file; "apt-file search blah" |
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| 20:19.18 | sparr | mnuhmnuh: what is the relevant "blah"? |
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| 20:20.42 | qq- | !as |
| 20:20.42 | dpkg | it has been said that as is autosearch: install apt-file and use apt-cache search <packagename> and/or apt-file search <name> , do it yourself. Don't forget to run apt-file update ;) |
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| 20:21.09 | mnuhmnuh | sparr: whatever you're looking for |
| 20:21.26 | henry-nicolas | Hello everybody, I'v got currently a pam_ldap and nss_ldap setup working. I would like to specify email address of users in my OpenLDAP tree so when I do "mail -s test user" it sends the email to the email address of the user. Is this possible ? Any tips ? Googling didn't provide any releveant info... |
| 20:22.15 | ||cw | henry-nicolas: not unless the mail command supports address lookup to ldap |
| 20:22.25 | mnuhmnuh | qq-: thx |
| 20:22.36 | ||cw | email address ins't a POSIX user account attribute |
| 20:22.51 | sparr | mnuhmnuh: I don't know what I'm looking for. The screensaver and theme came by default when I installed gnome the first time |
| 20:23.22 | henry-nicolas | ||cw: Ok I didn't know that, so with a software like nullmailer, it's impossible |
| 20:23.28 | rww | sparr: packages gnome-themes and gnome-screensaver, perhaps? |
| 20:23.47 | sparr | mnuhmnuh: to clarify, I am not missing a specific theme or screensaver. i am missing the ALL of them, such that i can't even get a password prompt when my screen blanks |
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| 20:24.00 | ||cw | henry-nicolas: wrap it in a lookup script? |
| 20:24.05 | mnuhmnuh | sparr: try piping output of "gnome", "screensaver", & etc through less|more|most |
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| 20:24.33 | mnuhmnuh | sparr: apt-file search gnome | less |
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| 20:25.32 | sparr | rww: thanks, I'll try those. somehow my autoremove list got filled with packages i actually want, and being completely stupid i ran it without reading the whole list |
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| 20:25.43 | sparr | losing gdm was really annoying, i had no idea why X wouldn't start |
| 20:26.28 | wnight | Are ATI's drivers good enough to get one of the cards and play Nexuiz, etc? |
| 20:26.28 | mnuhmnuh | sparr: learn to use startx. :-) |
| 20:26.31 | sparr | how can I get rid of this warning after every time dpkg runs? ldconfig: /usr/local/lib/libopencsg.so.1 is not a symbolic link |
| 20:26.49 | sparr | wnight: 95% of the time, yes. |
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| 20:27.32 | ||cw | what's ls -l /usr/local/lib/libopencsg.so.1 say? |
| 20:27.46 | wnight | sparr: What's the 5% dependant on? I was considering an ATI 5750 if the drivers were good enough or an nvidia GT240 otherwise. |
| 20:27.47 | General_Jung | what do you have to do when I want make my router reachable from the other clients ? |
| 20:28.19 | General_Jung | sry wrong channel |
| 20:28.20 | Appetite | x11vnc is telling me *** XOpenDisplay failed. No -display or DISPLAY. |
| 20:28.27 | Appetite | what should i specify? |
| 20:28.34 | sparr | wnight: pure luck. a few people have horrible results with ati cards and can never resolve them. for everyone else they work fine. |
| 20:28.59 | wnight | sparr: Feh. Are nvidia cards as surefire as they were a few years ago? |
| 20:29.08 | sparr | ||cw: it's a library that I put there. -rwxr-xr-x 1 root staff 144229 May 20 04:01 /usr/local/lib/libopencsg.so.1 |
| 20:29.19 | sparr | wnight: more so, i'd say |
| 20:29.29 | ||cw | Appetite: -display :0 |
| 20:29.37 | Appetite | ah, thanks ||cw |
| 20:29.41 | wnight | Hmmm. |
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| 20:29.49 | sparr | Appetite: DISPLAY=:0 x11vnc |
| 20:30.00 | sparr | oh, ||cw beat me with the alternative |
| 20:30.40 | ||cw | sparr: huh, wonder why it wants it to be a symlink, are there are other libopencsg.so.* ? |
| 20:30.50 | mnuhmnuh | sparr: might want to consider re-installing gnome-screensaver? |
| 20:31.06 | sparr | ||cw: there's the .so |
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| 20:31.39 | ||cw | sparr: so there's .so, and .so.1 is a copy of it? |
| 20:31.56 | nielsle | wnight: I think that it depends on your cards. The free drivers for ATI Radeon HD 4300 series, do not work well with 3D gaming on my machine. |
| 20:32.03 | sparr | ||cw: yes, i guess i could make symlinks |
| 20:32.39 | sparr | ||cw: on that note... how can I copy a file and a symlink to that file such that the result is a new file and a symlink to the new file? not knowing how to do that is what caused this |
| 20:32.40 | ||cw | sparr: the "normal" way is to have like .so.1.x.x with the full version number, then have .so.1 and .so symlinks to that |
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| 20:33.27 | wnight | nielsle: That's just a generation old, right? That's not good. Did you fix it or find a replacement? |
| 20:33.42 | Appetite | ||cw: once i've started x11vnc, how do i connect to it on a client machine? |
| 20:34.11 | ||cw | Appetite: it should tell you what vnc port number, the on the client: pcname:port |
| 20:34.29 | Appetite | ||cw: is it a standard ssh on pcname:port? |
| 20:34.42 | ||cw | uh, with a vnc client... |
| 20:34.51 | Appetite | ah, ok, like what? |
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| 20:35.06 | ||cw | what OS is the client? |
| 20:35.17 | ronny_ | hi |
| 20:35.17 | Appetite | debian |
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| 20:35.39 | ||cw | i use xtightvncviewer |
| 20:35.44 | ronny_ | where should i get started when i want to package my python apps? |
| 20:36.02 | sparr | Appetite: you can use a vnc client like tightvnc, or you can tell x11vnc to provide a java viewer via http and it will open a second port for web browser connections on 5800 or 5900 by default |
| 20:36.19 | Appetite | sparr: ah, ok, thanks :) |
| 20:37.12 | Appetite | ||cw: i installed xtightvncviewer, what command do i use to invoke the program? |
| 20:37.26 | RichiH | what CONCURRENCY should i set, these days? makefile or startpar? |
| 20:37.35 | ||cw | vncviewer |
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| 20:38.24 | nielsle | wnight: I think that good people are working on these drivers, so I just wait patiently :) (It's a laptop, so I cannot change the card) <insert random anti gnome-shell rant here /> |
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| 20:38.43 | Appetite | ||cw: wait_for_client: read failed: /bin/sh /tmp/x11vnc-find_display.yRHfMH Xvfb |
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| 20:40.11 | nielsle | wnight: But I haven't tried the non-free drivers. The may work better. |
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| 20:46.33 | elb0w | root@mdguru2:/home/gtsafas/GIT/RSIGrid2/SecurityMaster# route add -net 198.140.50.0 netmask 255.255.255.192 gw 10.47.201.174 |
| 20:46.34 | elb0w | SIOCADDRT: No such process |
| 20:46.35 | elb0w | any ideas? |
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| 20:50.43 | RiotingPacifist | if i compile my own kernel how can i install the headers so i can use dkms and other tools to auto build extra modules? |
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| 20:56.06 | hideo | RiotingPacifist: add linux_headers to your make-kpkg command |
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| 20:57.15 | RiotingPacifist | does that mean i have to build the kernel the debian way? :(, always find it easier to just make deb-pkg |
| 20:57.40 | General_Jung | no onyl a programm |
| 20:57.42 | General_Jung | bind |
| 20:57.50 | ||cw | RiotingPacifist: then you have to also manually install headers.... |
| 20:58.20 | ||cw | make-kpkg isn't exactly hard... |
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| 20:58.35 | General_Jung | I have to crosscompile |
| 20:59.15 | RiotingPacifist | ||cw and hideo thanks |
| 20:59.24 | hideo | np |
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| 21:03.28 | lrcaballero | Hi everyone! I am in the process of migrating to Bigger and Better things... I am coming from Ubuntu to Debian after reading about the history of Debian... it sounds very interesting and exciting. I have a few questions though? Will Debian recognize my Seagate external HDD where I have ALL my music, videos and files? and will I be able to install AWN, Songbird, Google Chrome the same way I did in Ubunut via deb. file? |
| 21:04.00 | blip2 | is the seagate usb? |
| 21:04.06 | lrcaballero | yes |
| 21:04.34 | blip2 | shouldn't be a problem then |
| 21:04.50 | blip2 | and yes deb files will work :P |
| 21:04.56 | lrcaballero | great!! thanks..blip2 :P |
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| 21:05.34 | lrcaballero | one more questions I have the set of 5 dvd's will I need all 5 of them? |
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| 21:05.48 | Asako | anybody have experience with preseed files? |
| 21:06.17 | Asako | my preseed isn't doing what I told it to do |
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| 21:06.49 | ||cw | lrcaballero: only if you have a really slow internet connection, or none at all |
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| 21:08.00 | karlpinc | lrcaballero: Depends on what apps you choose to install. (I find the best way is to use the netinstall cd. That way you only download what you need.) |
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| 21:09.27 | karlpinc | lrcaballero: A better choice than installing .deb files is to activate the contrib and/or non-free repositories. We don't support installing random software. You're free to do it and it'll probably work (at least until something upgrades) but your on your own. |
| 21:09.28 | ||cw | netinstall is great if you have a decent connection and only need to install once |
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| 21:10.29 | ||cw | I have an apt-cacher-ng on my gateway server that I used with netinst though, works great |
| 21:10.43 | karlpinc | Regardless, with netinstall you'll download fewer bits overall. The only question is when you want to do your waiting. It's also awesome if you've more than one computer and are usig something like apt-cacher. |
| 21:11.06 | lrcaballero | Thank you guys for your help!!! I am very excited...I was playing with a Live CD Lenny and it didn't recognized my Network Card any ideas??? |
| 21:11.08 | ||cw | it's even faster than installing off a cd |
| 21:11.47 | freebse | lrcaballero: no, because at least we need to know what card etc |
| 21:12.07 | karlpinc | lrcaballero: How new is your hardware? You may need the kmuto installer, and will then also want to install a newer kernel from backports.org. Try: /msg dpkg kmuto and /msg dpkg bpo |
| 21:12.30 | karlpinc | lrcaballero: If you tell us the output of "lspci -nn" for your card we can help. |
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| 21:14.06 | lrcaballero | my laptop is an ACER Aspire TimeLine 4810TZ-4696 Intel Pentium SU2700 (1.3 GHz)Intel GMA 4500MHD WLAN: Acer Nplify 802.1 b/g/Draft-N |
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| 21:14.53 | ||cw | sighs |
| 21:15.51 | karlpinc | ||cw: You recognise the card, or are dissappointed that he's not telling us the lspci info? |
| 21:15.52 | freebse | hard to get the chip, without lspci, because there are about 3 chips called Nplify with different chipsets, I know this because I had such a problem as well with an Atheros |
| 21:16.00 | Chaorain | I am switching from Ubuntu to Debian. I don't want to download the 5 dvds worth of data but my internet card requiers nfts drivers. I know how to install the drivers but does Debian require an internet connection durring install? |
| 21:16.38 | freebse | Choarain: no, but ntfs is not in the official repos when I am not mistaken |
| 21:16.57 | ||cw | wait, what? |
| 21:17.03 | hideo | what, your internet card requires nfts or ntfs, wut??? |
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| 21:17.14 | freebse | get them two packages I guess it is two by hand an install them dpkg after the debian install just to be safe |
| 21:17.19 | lrcaballero | 00:00.0 Host bridge [0600]: Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Memory Controller Hub [8086:2a40] (rev 07) |
| 21:17.19 | lrcaballero | 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:2a42] (rev 07) |
| 21:17.19 | lrcaballero | 00:02.1 Display controller [0380]: Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:2a43] (rev 07) |
| 21:17.19 | lrcaballero | 00:1a.0 USB Controller [0c03]: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) USB UHCI Controller #4 [8086:2937] (rev 03) |
| 21:17.19 | lrcaballero | 00:1a.1 USB Controller [0c03]: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) USB UHCI Controller #5 [8086:2938] (rev 03) |
| 21:17.19 | lrcaballero | 00:1a.7 USB Controller [0c03]: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) USB2 EHCI Controller #2 [8086:293c] (rev 03) |
| 21:17.19 | lrcaballero | 00:1b.0 Audio device [0403]: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) HD Audio Controller [8086:293e] (rev 03) |
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| 21:17.29 | ||cw | weee! |
| 21:17.43 | freebse | lrcaballero: nice thx, but there is a place for that called paste.debian.net |
| 21:17.51 | Asako | you will notice that debian does a lot less hand holding |
| 21:18.03 | hideo | he ain't here |
| 21:18.04 | Chaorain | freebse: I have all the debs that I need |
| 21:18.20 | freebse | Chaorain: then go for it |
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| 21:18.40 | JoshH | lol |
| 21:18.47 | Chaorain | I forget the acronym but its something like that the converts windows drivers |
| 21:19.11 | zcat[1] | ndis? |
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| 21:19.19 | Chaorain | maybee |
| 21:19.19 | karlpinc | Chaorain: You'd be better served trying to use an in-kernel driver. |
| 21:19.26 | JoshH | just stick with ubuntu |
| 21:19.47 | qq- | wpasupplicant? |
| 21:20.13 | freebse | JoshH: lol, but you should not promote it too much in here, m8 |
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| 21:20.39 | ||cw | yeah, but man... |
| 21:20.57 | zcat[1] | wpasupplicant is a different thing I think. ndiswrapper lets you use windows wireless drivers in linux.. my experience it sucks and I much prefer to find native drivers and firmware blobs. |
| 21:20.57 | karlpinc | Chaorain: You could give us the lspci -nn output for the device and we might help. |
| 21:20.58 | ||cw | Chaorain: ndiswrapper |
| 21:21.18 | ||cw | zcat[1]: agreed |
| 21:21.22 | freebse | I have hardly come across any WLAN card newerdays where I needed to use Win drivers |
| 21:21.24 | Chaorain | karlpinc: Ubuntu has been giving me some problems. 10.04 is pretty much unusable for me. I either have to downgrade or switch I thought I'd give Debian a try |
| 21:21.32 | Chaorain | ||cw: thats it. thanks |
| 21:21.49 | zcat[1] | btw; my wireless card sees networks, wicd says it's connecting but I can never get an IP address. and suggestions? |
| 21:21.53 | zcat[1] | *any |
| 21:22.08 | zcat[1] | two different wireless adapters, three different AP's... |
| 21:22.13 | karlpinc | Chaorain: That's in debian, but as above, a real driver will work better. |
| 21:22.14 | Chaorain | karlpinc: I would but I don't have access to my linux machine right now but thanks |
| 21:22.18 | freebse | Chaorain: much harder to go with Debian, you will run into trouble, don't get compiz working f.ex. or have no drivers for WLAN without unfree software etc |
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| 21:22.33 | ||cw | Chaorain: well, debian stable is also going to a version downgrade, and since ubuntu is build from debian as a starting point, you might just have the same issues after the next release |
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| 21:23.00 | karlpinc | ||cw: True, but they might be fixed by the time testing becomes stable. |
| 21:23.05 | ||cw | also possible |
| 21:23.18 | freebse | ||cw: even more than that, we all know that, but this is nothing that a lot of ppl like to hear in here ;) |
| 21:23.21 | ||cw | Chaorain: out of curiosity, what makes it unusable? |
| 21:23.34 | zcat[1] | Chaorain: I upgraded my wife's machine to 10.04. she hated it and wanted me to downgrade to 9.04 again. Not really possible so she's running debian now ;) |
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| 21:23.55 | Chaorain | I don't know myself but I heard that it is a major memory leak in X |
| 21:24.11 | zcat[1] | daughter is running 10.04 and has been since alpha3, no problems at all. so go figure.. |
| 21:24.13 | freebse | I can hardly see any difference between Ubuntu 10.04 and Debian 4 unstable |
| 21:24.14 | karlpinc | Chaorain: Stuff like that is supposed to be ironed out before testing goes stable. |
| 21:25.07 | freebse | there are a lot of problems with the release circle in Ubuntu, but that is another topic and nothing to argue about in here |
| 21:25.08 | zcat[1] | 10.04 is the release that finally drove me back to debian. ubuntu was great around 6.06 or 8.04 but it's been going downhill ever since IMHO.. btw I know !ot I'll shut up now ;) |
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| 21:25.23 | Chaorain | I thought so too but I can't always shut down or reboot. and my internet goes down sometimes |
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| 21:26.04 | freebse | Chaorain: that is because of a GDM version that is more than beta |
| 21:26.13 | zcat[1] | 10.04.1 might be better |
| 21:26.18 | ||cw | Chaorain: from what I've seen, far more than just X, or else ps is reporting oddly on things like gnome-panel/clock-applet...489928 for VSZ? really? |
| 21:26.18 | Chaorain | GDM? |
| 21:26.29 | karlpinc | zcat[1]: Seeing as Ubuntu follows debian it'll probably improve as testing gets closer to release. |
| 21:26.39 | freebse | Chaorain: yapp GDM, I had the same problems here, w |
| 21:26.52 | michalxo | guys, is it possible that debian has way more power consumption than ubuntu?? |
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| 21:27.02 | ||cw | Chaorain: well, wifi issues are more likely the fault of using ndiswrapper |
| 21:27.05 | freebse | hen shutting down it just goes to the login screen and that was it, easy to fix, but anywaysd |
| 21:27.08 | Chaorain | what does GDM stand for? I'm still pretty new to linux |
| 21:27.15 | zcat[1] | karlpinc: running testing now and it's a whole lot nicer than 10.04 -- just took a bit more work to get codecs, flash, etc going. |
| 21:27.38 | karlpinc | michalxo: Debian has older kernels, which might not work as well. See about getting a newer kernel from backports.org. |
| 21:27.46 | zcat[1] | and nvidia drivers.. that's one thing I do like in ubuntu, much easier to get nonfree shit installed. |
| 21:27.54 | Chaorain | freebse: how did you fix that? |
| 21:28.01 | freebse | zcat[1]: ubuntu takes stuff from unstable not testing and it enters their release circle |
| 21:28.31 | freebse | Chaorain: best workaropund to not use a graphical login otherwise downgrade to another GDM version |
| 21:28.42 | karlpinc | Chaorain: gdm is the thing that gives you the login screen. |
| 21:29.02 | freebse | it is broken, or was |
| 21:29.06 | Chaorain | ok sounds like I should just downgrade to 9.10 |
| 21:29.08 | freebse | KDM is also an option |
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| 21:29.32 | lrcaballero | Hi guys this is my lspci: ||cw - Atheros comm. AR8131/AR928X PCI Express |
| 21:29.37 | zcat[1] | Chaorain: you should upgrade to debian testing ;) |
| 21:29.41 | freebse | I dunno to fix the power management could be hard etc |
| 21:29.54 | karlpinc | freebse: xdm also. But gdm seems to be the only one I can get to work over the network. I don't know why I have such problems. |
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| 21:30.02 | freebse | lrcaballero: I knew it is Atheros |
| 21:30.04 | freebse | lol |
| 21:30.10 | karlpinc | lrcaballero: We'd need "lspci -nn" for the device. |
| 21:30.28 | Chaorain | is there an official debian driver for the Netgear311 V3? It is a wireless desktop card |
| 21:30.36 | freebse | karlpinc: might be I was going without graphical login |
| 21:31.40 | tomkap | lol |
| 21:31.52 | ||cw | Chaorain: whatever the kernel's is... |
| 21:32.08 | karlpinc | can't recall how to lookup the pciid with the bot. |
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| 21:32.33 | freebse | Chaorain: yes, but still you need to enable unfree software first, so it will not have an connection after installation |
| 21:33.08 | freebse | karlpinc: kdm is no good option because it does exactly the same ;) |
| 21:33.08 | lrcaballero | karlpinc: please forgive my ignorance, but how do I get this info.? I typed in lspci -nn in the terminal and that is what i got along with a whole bunch of other information. Can you help me plaese? :-[ |
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| 21:33.36 | Vasistha | Is there a way to detect what speed my memory is actually functioning at, e.g. 333 MHz? |
| 21:33.59 | ||cw | Vasistha: dmidecode might show it |
| 21:34.02 | freebse | lrcaballero: paste the output in here, and tell us the adress, don't worry about the whole bunch of crap that comes with it |
| 21:34.05 | ||cw | BIOS should say too |
| 21:34.16 | freebse | not in here |
| 21:34.27 | freebse | no do not post it in here, excuse me |
| 21:34.40 | lrcaballero | I did but I got kicked for doing that earlier!!! |
| 21:34.51 | hideo | !tell lrcaballero about paste |
| 21:34.57 | freebse | lrcaballero: with a reason, I want to explain |
| 21:35.08 | Vasistha | ||cw: I tried dmidecode, but haven't found anything that looks right. I guess I'd better check the bios. The reason is that I have one 333 MHz and one 400 MHz installed, and I am wondering if it would run at 333 or if it might run slower for some reason. |
| 21:35.10 | freebse | lrcaballero: http://paste.debian.net/ and then paste the URL in here |
| 21:35.27 | freebse | lrcaballero: this is how it is done 'round here |
| 21:35.38 | ||cw | Chaorain: google results for that are all really old, so either it Just Works, or still need ndiswrapper |
| 21:35.57 | michalxo | karlpinc how new kernel should I get for it? I am using 2.6.32-5 :-/ |
| 21:36.00 | lrcaballero | freebse: Thank you! |
| 21:36.07 | ||cw | Vasistha: bios should drop both to 333 |
| 21:36.19 | Chaorain | freebse: so I would have to use ndiswrapper to get the official stuff? You wouldn't have to know if it is in Ubuntu? |
| 21:36.29 | ||cw | though I have seen a bios wigg out on mismatch's and drop more |
| 21:36.35 | Vasistha | ||cw: that's what I would expect. Thanks for the hints... I'll reboot and double check what the bios says. Cheers! |
| 21:37.00 | ||cw | Chaorain: could boot a livecd and see what it does |
| 21:37.11 | freebse | Chaorain: no you do not |
| 21:37.24 | freebse | Chaorain: yes it is, but not on the 1st CD |
| 21:37.33 | Chaorain | ||cw: Is there a live cd for debian? |
| 21:37.40 | ||cw | I think so |
| 21:37.57 | qq- | !live |
| 21:37.57 | dpkg | The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. As of squeeze, the images can be installed with d-i. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLive/FAQ http://live.debian.net/ #debian-live on irc.oftc.net. |
| 21:38.36 | Chaorain | thanks |
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| 21:42.09 | lrcaballero | freebse: here you go! http://paste.debian.net/75241 |
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| 21:43.48 | freebse | lrcaballero: ok it is no problem at all |
| 21:44.35 | qq- | pciid 168c:002a |
| 21:44.46 | qq- | , pciid 168c:002a |
| 21:44.48 | judd | [168c:002a] is 'AR928X Wireless Network Adapter (PCI-Express)' from 'Atheros Communications Inc.' with no known kernel module in lenny but has kernel module 'ath9k' in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=168c:002a http://wiki.debian.org/ath9k |
| 21:44.48 | freebse | lrcaballero: apt.get install wireless-tools | modprobe ath9k | iwconfig | ifconfig wlan0 up |
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| 21:45.37 | freebse | lrcaballero: simply install wireless-tools, then maybe you need to modprobe it, then use gnome network manager to make a connection |
| 21:46.40 | freebse | lrcaballero: no need to ndiswrapper, no need to worry, it will work right away, after that |
| 21:47.03 | freebse | lrcaballero: http://wiki.debian.org/ath9k |
| 21:48.17 | qq- | freebse, seen bot message about pciid 168c:002a ? |
| 21:48.30 | lrcaballero | freebse: Thank you! for your kindness and help! Luis Caballero... |
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| 21:49.04 | freebse | qq-: yes I did and what is the problem with that |
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| 21:49.36 | qq- | lrcaballero, run a good kernel ? |
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| 21:50.01 | qq- | freebse, ^^ |
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| 21:50.18 | lrcaballero | qq-: ... what do you mean by run a good kernel? |
| 21:50.40 | freebse | qq-: no it is not anymore related to the kernel, qq- so far as I can see it, there were problems where you had to backport but not anymore from what I read right now |
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| 21:50.43 | qq- | " kernel module 'ath9k' in sid" |
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| 21:51.39 | freebse | qq-: if modprobe fails, come back here, Idoubt it |
| 21:52.55 | freebse | qq-: PCI: 168C:002A Atheros Communications Inc. AR928X Wireless Network Adapter (PCI-Express) |
| 21:53.23 | freebse | qq-: should be working with all kernels > 2.6.32 |
| 21:53.59 | freebse | anyway I could be mistaken, I just read and make statements on what I read, can not try it off course |
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| 21:59.40 | zcat[1] | asking again; wireless card and wireless USB adapter seem to be installed OK, both can see networks, neither can connect. Where do I go from here? |
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| 22:00.59 | freebse | zcat[1]: if you see networks you can connect to them if you have the key |
| 22:01.09 | zcat[1] | The one I'm testing with is open |
| 22:01.50 | freebse | zcat: no it is not it has an mac filter enabled I bet ;) |
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| 22:02.04 | zcat[1] | Yes it is because it's sitting right here on my desk. |
| 22:02.17 | freebse | ok then :) |
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| 22:02.47 | freebse | I don't know why |
| 22:03.08 | zcat[1] | also my hope network, I know what the key should be but I decided to test with the 'open' AP that we use for WLUG meetings |
| 22:03.18 | zcat[1] | so I know the AP should be OK |
| 22:03.25 | Tramp | zcat[1]: afair, "iwconfig <device> essid <essid>" should associate you |
| 22:03.40 | hideo | don't spoon feed |
| 22:03.46 | freebse | once again, there is no reason why it should not connect |
| 22:03.53 | zcat[1] | Well it doesn't!! Two different adapters |
| 22:04.16 | Tramp | I spoonfeed exactly as much as I want |
| 22:05.28 | zcat[1] | http://pastebin.com/j4CeSXqJ |
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| 22:07.23 | zcat[1] | I have done this before PLENTY of times in debian, ubuntu, redhat.. it's just not working today and I can't figure out what I'm doing different |
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| 22:08.01 | zcat[1] | btw also did ifconfig wlan0 up, forgot to mention that |
| 22:08.57 | freebse | zcat[1]: like I said it does make no sense at all |
| 22:09.44 | zcat[1] | http://pastebin.com/WBrJ8nQe |
| 22:09.51 | zcat[1] | As you can see, the card sees AP's |
| 22:09.59 | zcat[1] | I just can't connect to any |
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| 22:10.07 | Tramp | zcat[1]: so, great. your wlan0 is now associated |
| 22:10.09 | zcat[1] | same with the USB adapter |
| 22:10.34 | Tramp | what are you complaining about? |
| 22:10.44 | zcat[1] | wlan0 RT2860 Wireless ESSID:"" Nickname:"RT2860STA" |
| 22:11.19 | zcat[1] | It's not associated. |
| 22:11.33 | qq- | zcat[1], uname -r , says ? |
| 22:11.39 | zcat[1] | I run iwclient and set the essid, the essid doesn't get SET |
| 22:11.46 | Tramp | oh, right. it's not. Sorry. |
| 22:11.49 | zcat[1] | 2.6.32-3-686 |
| 22:12.11 | jordanm | dmesg will often give info about failed associations |
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| 22:13.34 | zcat[1] | Yeah, I looked and dmesg, looked up on google, one error about a missing config file which is apparently normal, and May 29 09:44:46 mandela kernel: [ 3951.768486] ===>rt_ioctl_giwscan. 2(2) BSS returned, data->length = 259 which doesn't give me any helpful results |
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| 22:14.11 | Tramp | zcat[1]: well (1) maybe specify the channel (2) all 3 stations are sending on ch. 11. maybe change the Channel for this AP and retry |
| 22:14.58 | zcat[1] | The other APs are quite a long way away, this one is in the same room. I don't expect they'll be interfering |
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| 22:15.28 | Tramp | sure. If you have or get a better idea, feel free to try that first |
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| 22:16.42 | freebse | zcat[1] take a cable for now and chill ... :) sorry, but this is the only idea I had in mind |
| 22:16.47 | zcat[1] | well I can't remember what the IP is for configuring this. I set it up ages ago. Better idea, I'll go plug this USB adapter into my daughter's ubuntu machine and confirm that I can connect from there |
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| 22:17.20 | zcat[1] | then at least we know the AP works and if I can connect |
| 22:17.34 | hideo | genius |
| 22:17.40 | pipegeek | am I missing something or is there no way to tell logrotate not to try to chmod newly created files? |
| 22:18.06 | pipegeek | trying to rotate a log over anonymous nfs |
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| 22:18.44 | pipegeek | the unnecessary chmod fails, and so, so does log rotation |
| 22:18.53 | zcat[1] | although it was working two weeks ago and hasn't been touched since |
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| 22:23.23 | zcat[1] | OK, same commands on Ubuntu 9.10 machine show ESSID being set, device associated with AP, and dhclient wlan0 gets given an IP address |
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| 22:23.42 | zcat[1] | so AP is good, at least one adapter is good. |
| 22:23.59 | zcat[1] | both adapters won't work on debian |
| 22:24.23 | zcat[1] | suggestions that don't assume the adapter or AP is faulty please? |
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| 22:26.01 | dlyneswork | I'm curious where I might be able to get the rest of the strongswan modules from? |
| 22:26.34 | dlyneswork | The only ones Lenny seems to install are: gmp, hmac, ldap, openssl, pubkey, random, stroke, x509, and xcbc |
| 22:27.11 | shawncm217 | Does Ctrl+<Number> working for switching tabs in Firefox? I'm trying to determine whether it not working is a Firefox on Linux bug or a distro specific bug. |
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| 22:29.04 | zcat[1] | any ideas at all what else I might try here? |
| 22:29.08 | dlyneswork | shawncm217, it's not Ctrl+<Number>...it's Ctrl+<cursor key> |
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| 22:29.35 | dlyneswork | shawncm217, and it's nothign to do with debian...Debian doesn't have firefox...it has iceweasel instead |
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| 22:30.49 | mnuhmnuh | zcat[1]: guess: second clobbers first? |
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| 22:31.56 | zcat[1] | originally testing with only one adapter, only plugged in the second to try and narrow down the problem |
| 22:32.23 | zcat[1] | also I have used both together in the past. |
| 22:32.39 | mnuhmnuh | zcat[1]: try the other one alone? |
| 22:33.02 | zcat[1] | well, trying USB one with PCI one 'dissabled' so basically already have |
| 22:34.34 | zcat[1] | doing an upgrade, perhaps it will just come right by itself... |
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| 22:42.05 | gloin | Hi all, am trying to figure out a bog-simple repo for the one .deb package I maintain internally. I've got it to the point where apt will install without verification, so have now moved on to trying to sign the package. Exported the key from the repo server and added it to the client... |
| 22:42.32 | gloin | now on the client side when I do "apt-get update" it fails with Unable to find expected entry Packages in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?) |
| 22:43.02 | gloin | release file has the Packages.gz and the Release entry |
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| 22:43.19 | lindi- | gloin: i just use reprepro to create my repos |
| 22:43.25 | nopatop | hola friends and enemys |
| 22:43.42 | nopatop | I decided to start up my own channel here on freenode |
| 22:43.42 | lindi- | gloin: 5-line configuration file was enough |
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| 22:43.50 | gloin | lindi-: can that be done in a way that I don't have to mirror a whole dist? |
| 22:43.52 | nopatop | all are welcome to join |
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| 22:43.58 | nopatop | #fetish |
| 22:43.59 | freebse | did someone try to get blueray working in here |
| 22:44.00 | dlyneswork | Is there a missing package for strongswan in Lenny? I don't seem to have all of the strongswan modules. |
| 22:44.03 | nopatop | its very good |
| 22:44.05 | lindi- | gloin: sure, my repo has only my own packages |
| 22:44.14 | freebse | and yah I know it is not really legal but anyways |
| 22:44.30 | gloin | hrm, re-inventing the wheel here it seems |
| 22:44.32 | gloin | lindi-: thanks |
| 22:44.38 | themill | nopatop: we don't care |
| 22:44.42 | lindi- | gloin: http://lindi.iki.fi/lindi/debian/ and see conf/ |
| 22:44.52 | nopatop | themill fuck you |
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| 22:45.05 | gloin | lol |
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| 22:45.09 | gloin | fsck who? |
| 22:45.13 | mischief | thanks themill |
| 22:45.34 | gloin | thanks lindi- and themill :) |
| 22:45.41 | zcat[1] | fsck /dev/sda1 |
| 22:45.41 | freebse | I got a problem with DumpHD |
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| 22:46.34 | freebse | and I am not going to use makemkv |
| 22:47.08 | zcat[1] | hmmm, perhaps wicd-daemon is messing with my attempts to use iwconfig? |
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| 22:49.07 | zcat[1] | rebooting |
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| 23:02.40 | dlyneswork | Does anyone know why the debian distribution of strongswan doesn't include sha1, sha2 and 3des? |
| 23:02.52 | deco | debian lenny using nvidia driver xfce is really slow when resizing windows |
| 23:02.57 | deco | i have composite disabled |
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| 23:04.26 | deco | grrrrr |
| 23:04.33 | deco | actually it's just xfce4-terminal |
| 23:04.36 | deco | i wonder why |
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| 23:08.59 | zcat[1] | http://pastebin.com/b1V8KxeM -- BOTH wireless adapters work, at the same time, with the same AP, in the same machine, from an ubuntu live CD. THIS IS NOT A HARDWARE PROBLEM |
| 23:09.21 | zcat[1] | And BOTH adapters can see AP's but cant connect ot any in Debian. |
| 23:09.57 | Riviera | Please shout less. |
| 23:09.59 | zcat[1] | surely somebody must have some idea around here |
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| 23:12.17 | zcat[1] | so why does iwconfig set the essid just fine in ubuntu but won't do anything, for either card, in debian?!! |
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| 23:12.45 | zcat[1] | this is really starting to piss me off, and implying that I'm lazy or an idiot isn't helping. |
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| 23:13.36 | danielig | hello debian :-) |
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| 23:15.11 | blue_anna | how would I build just the drivers in /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.32/drivers/media/video/em28xx |
| 23:15.36 | zcat[1] | so does anyone have any other ideas how to get my wireless working? |
| 23:15.53 | blue_anna | zcat[1]: wireless not working? |
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| 23:16.22 | blue_anna | I just joined the channel, what's up? |
| 23:17.03 | andresp | zcat[1]: iwlist scan |
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| 23:17.24 | zcat[1] | blue_anna: two different adapters, with firmware etc installed. Can see multiple APs but can't connect to any. As logged above, I can boot exactly the same machine with an ubuntu live CD and connect, both at the same time, and ping them individually from another host so it's not a problem with the AP or hardware or interfering signals or whatever |
| 23:17.55 | zcat[1] | http://pastebin.com/RUG51FHq |
| 23:19.10 | blue_anna | what's demssage say when you try to connect? |
| 23:19.16 | blue_anna | messages |
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| 23:19.48 | zcat[1] | http://pastebin.com/sYsZpy8b |
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| 23:21.55 | zcat[1] | btw also tried iwconfig wlan0 channel 11 since dmesg suggesting 'channel is out of range' ? |
| 23:22.27 | blue_anna | are the loaded drivers the same for your lan card? |
| 23:22.33 | blue_anna | with and without live cd |
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| 23:22.51 | zcat[1] | don't know. |
| 23:23.00 | blue_anna | I'd look into that and also scan dmesg in the live cd, see if you can find some switch that is getting toggled when it modprobe's the module |
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| 23:23.49 | zcat[1] | blue_anna: two completely different wireless apaters though. BOTH work in ubuntu from the live CD, NEITHER work in debian? |
| 23:24.07 | blue_anna | zcat[1]: don't look at me, I just work here :P |
| 23:24.10 | zcat[1] | totally different chipsets, totally different drivers, |
| 23:24.43 | Devastator | different distros, different ways to make it work :P |
| 23:24.53 | zcat[1] | or not work... |
| 23:24.55 | blue_anna | anyone ever build a kernel module from inside the kernel source tree? |
| 23:25.10 | Devastator | yes, it will work |
| 23:25.14 | zcat[1] | and BOTH cards can see all the AP's in debian, they just can't connect |
| 23:25.56 | blue_anna | zcat[1]: sounds like either the driver in debian is older/newer than ubuntu's, or they are using different drivers for the same card |
| 23:26.00 | blue_anna | ** cards |
| 23:26.22 | Devastator | true.. |
| 23:26.31 | Devastator | or different kernel |
| 23:26.48 | blue_anna | Devastator: : is the kernel different?? |
| 23:26.48 | Devastator | atheros is easier to make it work |
| 23:27.08 | Devastator | blue_anna well, don't know which kernel ubuntu live cd uses |
| 23:27.13 | blue_anna | Devastator: what does ubuntu borrow from debian, it's supposed to be debian based but seems like nothing matches if not even the kernel does |
| 23:27.38 | fruitwerks | anyone know if I can convert a partition to an lvm volume? I have plenty of unused space to work with, but not a raw disk or spare partition |
| 23:27.39 | Devastator | blue_anna ubuntu borrows package manager, apt |
| 23:27.50 | blue_anna | Devastator: ever build a kernel module from inside the kernel source tree? |
| 23:28.01 | blue_anna | I'm looking for a quick help on that |
| 23:28.13 | Devastator | blue_anna which module? |
| 23:28.15 | blue_anna | oo I think I just remember I have to go up two on the directory tree and make there |
| 23:28.20 | blue_anna | em28xx |
| 23:28.21 | blue_anna | video |
| 23:28.58 | Devastator | download linux-headers and linux-sources and recompile your kernel |
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| 23:30.12 | blue_anna | Devastator: I dont have to rebuild the whole kernel just for one module :S that would suck |
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| 23:30.29 | Devastator | that's the correct way |
| 23:30.56 | blue_anna | no but, .. I did a little module development a long time ago .. that's not the way to do it |
| 23:31.16 | Devastator | then I don't know, that the way I do it.. |
| 23:31.25 | Devastator | s/that/that's |
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| 23:35.03 | vallhalla | !apt |
| 23:35.03 | vallhalla | dpkg: apt |
| 23:35.03 | dpkg | [APT] Advanced Packaging Tool, a package management system used by Debian and its derivatives. There is no apt program per se; APT is a C++ library of functions that are used by several command line programs for dealing with packages, notably apt-get, apt-cache, and aptitude. See also <aptitude> <apt-get>, <apt-cache>, http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/blog/entry/apt-system-diagram/ |
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| 23:52.41 | HTT-Bird | uh, what kernel version is Sid on? I can't seem to coax that info out of dpkg :P |
| 23:52.53 | jordanm | ,kernels |
| 23:52.54 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.34-1-686 (2.6.34-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-13); squeeze: 2.6.32-3-686 (2.6.32-9); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.4-686 (2.6.32-11~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-22lenny1); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
| 23:54.43 | HTT-Bird | oh bloody murder, I have two choices: vanilla 2.6.34 or experimental's kernel :P I need the driver for my hwmon chip (Andigilog aSC7621) |
| 23:55.04 | HTT-Bird | or do you think I could coax that to build as a module against an older kernel? (2.6.28 in particular) |
| 23:55.24 | jordanm | personally, I would use vanilla sources with kernel-package |
| 23:56.08 | HTT-Bird | hrm. what about the "take driver source, coax it to build as module against old kernel" approach? |
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| 23:57.27 | multi_io | hey |
| 23:57.40 | jordanm | I would not, unless you build a source package you can call m-a against |
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| 23:58.47 | multi_io | anyone here who followed my mouse-not-working odyssey earlier/yesterday? |
| 23:59.37 | multi_io | guess what: the mouse still isn't working under Xorg |
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