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| 00:01.24 | jalalsfs | Hi |
| 00:01.27 | multi_io | an Xorg server downgrade to the Debian stable version didn't solve the problem either |
| 00:01.34 | shazbotmcnasty | anyone have an .rtorrent.rc that they're especially proud of and are willing to share? |
| 00:01.38 | shazbotmcnasty | For me to change to my liking |
| 00:01.49 | jalalsfs | I want to update my GNOME and kernel, How can I do? |
| 00:02.00 | shazbotmcnasty | I'm changing to rtorrent, and am looking for a good rtorrent.rc to build off of |
| 00:02.14 | multi_io | the keyboard is working though (via evdev driver on /dev/input/event4) |
| 00:02.27 | multi_io | the mouse is on /dev/input/event0 |
| 00:03.33 | multi_io | it really is there and works, and the X server even picks it up and says it's activating it durign startup |
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| 00:03.48 | multi_io | but it doesn't move one bit |
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| 00:04.46 | blue_anna | Devastator: make M=dir modules is how to do it :) |
| 00:04.48 | multi_io | one peculiarity I noticed is that a process called hald-addon-input has opened all /dev/input/eventX devices except /dev/input/event0 (the mouse) |
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| 00:05.50 | multi_io | does anyone know what that is, and more importantly, hwo to tell it to open event0 too? |
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| 00:06.29 | chaosdiablo | hi |
| 00:07.16 | chaosdiablo | i installed debian a few minutes ago and i just have a desk without icons, bars etc. |
| 00:07.24 | chaosdiablo | what's wrong? |
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| 00:15.41 | jalalsfs | I want to update Gnome & linux-image, What can I do? |
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| 00:20.38 | jalalsfs | I want to update Gnome & linux-image, What can I do? |
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| 00:22.25 | firespeaker | I keep noticing these ~10-second periods of heavy system load, and it always turns out to be sendmail-msp. is this normal for a debian system? |
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| 00:23.25 | visof | hello |
| 00:23.33 | visof | what is the linux command for md5 ?? |
| 00:23.46 | zinx | md5sum |
| 00:24.39 | zcat[1] | so nobody else uses wireless in debian? |
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| 00:24.59 | j0nnY | visof: md5sum |
| 00:25.12 | j0nnY | zcat[1]: i do |
| 00:25.16 | Devastator | blue_anna thanks for sharing, I'm learning something new every day :D |
| 00:27.32 | dlyneswork | Anyone know why debian provides almost no plugins for strongswan? |
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| 00:29.23 | jalalsfs | I want to update Gnome & linux-image, What can I do? |
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| 00:31.50 | jalalsfs | Is there anyone use stable version? |
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| 00:35.19 | aff | why does ppl ban me if i just say hi ?? |
| 00:35.20 | Devastator | jalalsfs use backports |
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| 00:35.36 | jalalsfs | <Devastator: |
| 00:35.42 | jalalsfs | Devastator: How? |
| 00:35.58 | Devastator | jalalsfs see www.backports.org |
| 00:35.59 | aff | ppl will ban me here again :( |
| 00:36.33 | Devastator | ask a real question and you will not be banned :) |
| 00:36.51 | jalalsfs | Devastator: Thank you. |
| 00:36.53 | aff | k where is the room where nobody bans? |
| 00:36.56 | aff | lol |
| 00:36.58 | aff | j/k |
| 00:37.02 | aff | i want conversation |
| 00:37.12 | bzed | aff: shut up and nobody will ban you. |
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| 00:37.37 | aff | bzed i think if u be more nice they will not ban u too |
| 00:37.44 | Devastator | another troller.. |
| 00:37.48 | aff | where´s a room where ppl do talk ? |
| 00:38.00 | aff | i´m not a silly,ty |
| 00:38.01 | bzed | try #oftc-staff |
| 00:38.12 | Devastator | or another network.. |
| 00:38.27 | aff | k,thanks |
| 00:38.42 | aff | lol but what a joke --' |
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| 00:39.01 | dlyneswork | Is there a way to force a package to install a file that it doesn't seem to want to install? |
| 00:39.06 | dlyneswork | i.e. configuration file? |
| 00:39.35 | bzed | Devastator: oh my, to many #debian channels :) |
| 00:39.58 | bzed | dlyneswork: put the error message into a pastebin please |
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| 00:40.54 | dlyneswork | bzed, no error....I'm trying to reinstall openswan, but it won't create the /etc/ipsec.d/examples/no_oe.conf file |
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| 00:41.28 | dlyneswork | bzed, and strongswan is missing about 36 plugins (debian only seems to have 6 plugins for strongswan) |
| 00:41.37 | tuvyz | is struggling to find a good-looking professional gdm theme with debian branding |
| 00:41.42 | Devastator | dlyneswork first purge it, then reinstall it |
| 00:41.54 | dlyneswork | Devastator, apt-get purge pkgname? |
| 00:42.10 | Devastator | dlyneswork dpkg -P pkgname |
| 00:42.25 | dlyneswork | Devastator, thanks :) |
| 00:43.09 | Fringe | trying to ssh to my box but i am getting a file File size limit exceeded any reason why it would only allow root in but no other normal users |
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| 00:43.14 | tuvyz | aptitude purge pkgname works too |
| 00:43.49 | peterrooney | !confmiss |
| 00:43.49 | dpkg | The reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>; |
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| 00:45.07 | dlyneswork | Fringe, because no other users are able to do anything about the problem |
| 00:45.46 | Fringe | yes |
| 00:46.01 | Fringe | but i trying to allow them in |
| 00:46.05 | Fringe | but not sure what is wrong |
| 00:46.49 | dlyneswork | Fringe, can you pastebin a dump of the problem? |
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| 00:47.10 | Fringe | sure i can |
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| 00:47.18 | Fringe | i ran sshd in debug mode |
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| 00:48.27 | Fringe | http://pastebin.com/X5QqqLbf |
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| 00:50.02 | peterrooney | my keyboard has stopped repeating. any theories? |
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| 00:50.18 | themill | peterrooney: "xset r" |
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| 00:51.13 | dlyneswork | Fringe, are you trying to an scp/sftp? Is the log file that ssh is writing to over the filesize limit for your filesystem? |
| 00:52.02 | Fringe | dlyneswork, i am trying to ssh to the box... but if error out and the debug show File size limit exceede |
| 00:52.33 | peterrooney | themill: thank you! now, I'm on to digging into how it got changed... |
| 00:52.44 | dlyneswork | Fringe, so iow, you have no clue what it's doing on the local box? |
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| 00:53.05 | themill | peterrooney: I find mine turns off semi-regularly -- I suspect it has something to do with synergy2 in my case. |
| 00:53.29 | Fringe | dlyneswork, ya.... i am lost to what is happen on the box that is causing it to refuse connection |
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| 00:53.49 | Fringe | only if i use account with sudo access i can get in |
| 00:54.29 | zcat[1] | http://pastebin.com/LdV4LDhu http://pastebin.com/f4MYg7r3 --- What's the difference? |
| 00:54.47 | dlyneswork | Fringe, so ordinary accounts can get in, as long as they're listed in sudoers? |
| 00:55.25 | Fringe | that is correct dlyneswork |
| 00:55.43 | Fringe | where as box let you auth and everyting then kick out connection error |
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| 00:57.15 | dlyneswork | Fringe, Have you checked to make sure all of those users' /home/username/.ssh directory is chmod 700 and chown username:username? How about /home/username/.ssh/authorized_keys chmod 600 and chowned as well? |
| 00:58.09 | Fringe | i can re-verify that |
| 00:58.40 | zcat[1] | http://pastebin.com/htRX1NqV -- what am I doing wrong? why does neither wireless adapter work even though both can see APs? |
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| 00:59.11 | Selveste1 | Hey, Im in the midel of setting up freeradius on debian, but is it true that the "stock" radius-package do not include OpenSSL support.? (Stock = debian repo.) |
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| 01:01.22 | zcat[1] | !wireless |
| 01:01.22 | dpkg | Support for your wireless LAN device is dependent on the chipset within. Don't know what you have? Ask me about <what's my wireless>. Atheros: <atheros>; Atmel: <atmel>; Broadcom: <b43>, <wl>; Intel: <ipw2100>, <ipw2200>, <iwlwifi>, <iwlagn>; Intersil: <prism>; Ralink: <ralink>; Realtek: <rtl-wifi>; TI: <acx100>; ZyDAS: <zydas>. See also: <wlan howto>, <wpa>, <killswitch>, <wimax>. http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi |
| 01:02.05 | Selveste1 | !what's my wireless |
| 01:02.05 | dpkg | Install the hwinfo package and execute "/usr/sbin/hwinfo --wlan", or http://linux-wless.passys.nl/ , or ask me about <whats my hardware>. See also <wireless>. |
| 01:02.26 | Fringe | dlyneswork, permission look good |
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| 01:03.19 | Selveste1 | !ipp2p |
| 01:03.36 | zcat[1] | Selveste1: I can see access points listed in iwscan or wicd or wifi-radar, I just can't connect to any of them |
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| 01:03.51 | cafuego | Selveste1: Correct, you'll need to recompile it for SSL/TLS support. Annoying. |
| 01:03.51 | zcat[1] | am I using iwconfig wrong? |
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| 01:04.13 | Selveste1 | cafuego: okay, thankt :) |
| 01:04.36 | Selveste1 | zcat[1]: What wlan chip do you have.<+ |
| 01:05.33 | zcat[1] | 01:07.0 Network controller: RaLink RT2800 802.11n PCI |
| 01:05.33 | zcat[1] | Bus 001 Device 004: ID 0ace:1215 ZyDAS WLA-54L 802.11bg |
| 01:05.41 | zcat[1] | take your pick, same problem with both |
| 01:06.07 | Selveste1 | zcat[1]: have you tryed to join a NON-encryption AP.? |
| 01:06.17 | zcat[1] | http://pastebin.com/LdV4LDhu http://pastebin.com/f4MYg7r3 --- What's the difference? |
| 01:06.33 | zcat[1] | BOTH work in ubuntu. Both see the AP but cannot connect in debian. |
| 01:06.41 | Tramp | Fringe: can you run a single command, e.g. ssh root@user "ls /tmp" |
| 01:06.57 | Tramp | Fringe: or rather user@host |
| 01:07.09 | zcat[1] | apart from booting with a live cd, everything else is basically identical |
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| 01:08.07 | Selveste1 | zcat[1]: its just to pin-point the problem, if you can connect to a non-encryption AP then it in the handshake there is a problem, if it can't connect then its in the debian driver for te cards |
| 01:08.39 | Fringe | i can do that |
| 01:08.40 | zcat[1] | yes the AP im trying to connecto is is unencryped and a few feet from the computer, It's seen with 100% signal in debian and ubuntu. |
| 01:08.48 | Fringe | not even on lo |
| 01:08.51 | Fringe | Read from remote host 127.0.0.1: Connection reset by pee |
| 01:09.15 | Tramp | Fringe: what. can or can't |
| 01:09.16 | zcat[1] | two entirely different cards with entirely different chipsets and pci/usb both have an almost identical driver problem? Hmm, ok... |
| 01:09.23 | Fringe | can not Tramp |
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| 01:10.56 | Tramp | Fringe: hmm. weird. what about ssh ... "bash --norc" |
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| 01:11.27 | zcat[1] | so how do I fix this? I want to get wireless working. |
| 01:12.07 | Selveste1 | zcat[1]: if you try iwconfig <interface> <ap> <essid> can it then connect just to se if its the GUI that have problems |
| 01:12.19 | Selveste1 | zcat[1]: are you running on a live CD now.? |
| 01:12.23 | Fringe | Tramp, that doesn't work either |
| 01:12.29 | Fringe | i ran sshd in debug and saw |
| 01:12.44 | pikratos | hola |
| 01:12.50 | Fringe | File size limit exceeded |
| 01:13.01 | Fringe | i have no clue what file |
| 01:13.04 | blue_anna | pikratos: oye, q tal? |
| 01:13.20 | zcat[1] | http://pastebin.com/kHDA5SyC |
| 01:13.33 | zcat[1] | Sorry, did I misunderstand? |
| 01:13.43 | pikratos | bien |
| 01:13.48 | pikratos | yes |
| 01:14.01 | blue_anna | q buscas? o you speak english |
| 01:14.27 | Tramp | Fringe: Is there anything in /etc/security/limits.conf that looks relevant? |
| 01:15.06 | Selveste1 | zcat[1]: no you did not :S |
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| 01:15.49 | Tramp | Fringe: other thing I could think about is some logfile, but since it's issued by sshd -d (which, afaik, does not log) and also works for root, it looks more like a configured limit than a file-system limit |
| 01:15.52 | zcat[1] | man page for iwconfig says it should be 'iwconfig wlan0 ap 00:50:FC:8D:A0:96' (mac address not essid) |
| 01:16.27 | Fringe | Tramp, do you think a reboot |
| 01:16.28 | zcat[1] | which game me no error, but still not showing as associated with the ap either |
| 01:16.41 | Fringe | of the box could help resolve the issue |
| 01:16.49 | cafuego | zcat[1]: you need an essid too |
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| 01:17.00 | cafuego | iwconfig wlan0 ess MyNetName |
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| 01:17.09 | cafuego | zcat[1]: Are you using wep, wpa or none? |
| 01:17.15 | zcat[1] | none |
| 01:17.29 | cafuego | Just the essid should work fine then |
| 01:17.41 | Selveste1 | hmm, in help on my laptop its essid, but dosn't matter, I have an USB-dongle with that realtek chipset, and it working just fine :S and I haven't installet anything other then testin gnome-network-manager |
| 01:17.42 | cafuego | Can the card see the ap? |
| 01:17.43 | Tramp | Fringe: I doubt it ... one thing to try: |
| 01:18.01 | cafuego | lwlist wlan0 scan |
| 01:18.10 | cafuego | sorry; iwlist wlan0 scan |
| 01:18.21 | Tramp | Fringe: "strace -eopen /usr/sbin/sshd -d" (or maybe even with an additional "-f" to strace) |
| 01:18.27 | mcr | I upgrade to testing for a number of pulse and gstreamer things that were not in backports. X is not working as well I'd like. I think I should be able to go back, is there a way to pin xserver-xorg back to lenny? |
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| 01:19.01 | zcat[1] | http://pastebin.com/QekcFFs7 (ap is the first one, WaikatoLinuxUsersGroup) |
| 01:19.08 | Tramp | Fringe: (and maybe with a 2>/tmp/log in the end, not sure how much output this may generate) |
| 01:19.51 | cafuego | never made it to Hamilton ;-) |
| 01:20.10 | cafuego | zcat[1]: So all you *should* need to do is 'iwconfig wlan0 essid WaikatoLinuxUsersGroup' and then run dhcp. |
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| 01:20.25 | zcat[1] | cafuego: exactly!!! |
| 01:20.41 | zcat[1] | which of course is the very first thing I did. |
| 01:20.59 | cafuego | Is there anything helpful in syslog or dmesg? |
| 01:21.11 | kenjy | I have a computer with 8gb of ram, when free -m say that Im using 7gb and I have 1gb of ram free, If I stop all the processes that I can, openoffice, firefox, apache even xorg and I do free -m, it say that Im ussing 6gb of 8gb, its my CLI ussing 6gb of ram just because? |
| 01:21.31 | zcat[1] | cafuego: not even remotely helpful... |
| 01:21.33 | cafuego | kenjy: It's using that ram as file cache. This is normal and makes your machine faster. |
| 01:21.44 | Fringe | tramp |
| 01:21.45 | cafuego | kenjy: Having ram be free and unused is a waste. |
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| 01:21.48 | Fringe | would deny.host |
| 01:21.53 | Fringe | cause this issue as well |
| 01:21.55 | cafuego | zcat[1]: typical :-P |
| 01:22.18 | cafuego | zcat[1]: Does the card need firmware? Do you have a recent firmware? |
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| 01:23.16 | cafuego | kenjy: When you run `free', the -/+ buffers/cache: line is really also available as free. it'll flush that cache when the memory is nede for apps. |
| 01:23.23 | zcat[1] | yes, installed the firmware package .. also worth repeating both adapters can see AP's so that would mean the firmware is loaded? |
| 01:23.30 | Tramp | Fringe: do you mean hosts.deny? |
| 01:23.47 | kenjy | cafuego: ok tnks |
| 01:24.01 | cafuego | zcat[1]: Yes, but then seeing is a matter of receiving data and associating is a metter of sending as well |
| 01:25.12 | kenjy | cafuego: so its like guessing what Im going to do? the kernel its caching what and why, is there a specific criterion? |
| 01:25.13 | Fringe | Tramp, nvm. |
| 01:25.15 | zcat[1] | well, RT2800 firmware is whatever the debian package gave me.. the WLA-54L firmware is included in the normal kernel tree |
| 01:25.23 | Fringe | you command did work.. but i don't understand the output |
| 01:25.28 | Fringe | never don that way before |
| 01:25.46 | Tramp | what command? |
| 01:26.05 | cafuego | kenjy: It's caching files you have accessed in the past. It ahs written them to disk *and* kept a copy in ram. When you next need them, it can grab the copy from ram without needing disk access. |
| 01:26.20 | Fringe | strace -eopen /usr/sbin/sshd -d |
| 01:26.28 | cafuego | kenjy: If it needs the ram, it'll simply clear the ram copy and read from disk next time it needs the file. |
| 01:26.43 | cafuego | kenjy: It's a best of both worlds solution :-) |
| 01:26.51 | Tramp | Fringe: well, it should not change the situation about not being able ot login. It's merely another way to debug |
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| 01:27.32 | Fringe | aye |
| 01:27.48 | kenjy | cafuego: tnks |
| 01:27.58 | cafuego | zcat[1]: Ghhhrm. |
| 01:28.24 | cafuego | zcat[1]: See, at this point I'd probably nprmally unplug and replug the adapter and find it works :-P |
| 01:28.35 | qq- | zcat[1], /msg dpkg about ralink firmware |
| 01:29.07 | zcat[1] | qq-: this is how I got the firmware installed already. Before that it didn't see AP's either. |
| 01:29.26 | zcat[1] | now it sees AP's but doesn't connect to them |
| 01:30.10 | qq- | zcat[1], try .33 kernel , just a guess |
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| 01:30.31 | cafuego | zcat[1]: I was going to say, are you using the absolute latest driver... |
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| 01:31.02 | zcat[1] | how do I get later kernel? |
| 01:31.28 | qq- | wget it , + dpkg -i |
| 01:31.48 | zcat[1] | also of course it works using Linux ubuntu 2.6.32-21-generic #32-Ubuntu SMP Fri Apr 16 08:09:38 UTC 2010 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
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| 01:32.25 | zcat[1] | but.... I guess I can try a later kernel in debian |
| 01:32.28 | Fringe | Tramp, thanks for your help |
| 01:32.31 | Fringe | weird thing is |
| 01:32.40 | Fringe | after all those deb it just start working again |
| 01:32.45 | Fringe | no idea.. |
| 01:32.50 | Fringe | i will look at it more |
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| 01:33.34 | zcat[1] | btw I have a testing+sid mix already for nvidia drivers.. is a later kernel going to break this? |
| 01:33.58 | zcat[1] | and can I get later kernel from sid repos somehow? |
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| 01:34.16 | nomasteryoda | drivers... windows is so a piece of shssst |
| 01:34.28 | nomasteryoda | trying to get a simple network driver is killing me |
| 01:34.45 | zcat[1] | nomasteryoda: I know how you feel ;) |
| 01:35.36 | nomasteryoda | its nuts |
| 01:35.42 | zcat[1] | lol |
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| 01:35.45 | nomasteryoda | my kid wanted me to reinstall windows... |
| 01:36.03 | nomasteryoda | i had it working over a year back, but the 40gb drive it was on died |
| 01:36.11 | nomasteryoda | good Lord |
| 01:38.35 | zcat[1] | having fun with wireless in debian at the moment but I already know on a stock windows install, practically nothing would work on this machine.. no network at all, no sound, and everything else limping along with generic drivers |
| 01:39.04 | zcat[1] | it's always fun trying to download network drivers when you have no network connection... |
| 01:41.02 | cafuego | I found my network card was detected but didn't work off the install image, but once the same kernel was running off the machine's ssd it worked fine :-P |
| 01:41.15 | qq- | zcat[1], so how installed testing+sid mix ? |
| 01:41.23 | zcat[1] | !nvidia |
| 01:41.23 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers . If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Testing users: ask me about <nvidia squeeze>. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net). |
| 01:41.44 | grondilu | Hi, I'm using debian sid on a EeePC. My 'Win' key is recognized as 'Multi_key', and I'd like to change it to more common 'mod4'. I've tried to use xmodmap with 'add mod4 = Multi_key', but still it doesn't work fine. With awesome wm, each time I change desktop and go back to a term, the first char is not printed correctly. It seems that the Win key still behaves like 'Multi_key' at least for a moment. It's weird. Is there other way tha |
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| 01:42.33 | zcat[1] | bah, where did the testing/unstable mix info go? |
| 01:43.10 | zcat[1] | I followed the howto that dpkg gave me anyway |
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| 01:48.18 | bodi | evening all |
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| 01:49.43 | zcat[1] | so where do I find a 2.6.33 kernel package? |
| 01:50.06 | qq- | !pdo |
| 01:50.06 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/, in some contexts. Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/ |
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| 01:51.14 | zcat[1] | !info linux-image-2.6.33 |
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| 01:52.02 | grondilu | ok I've succeeded : I've done 'keycode 133 = Super_L" and "add Mod4 = Super_L" |
| 01:52.03 | zcat[1] | <dpkg> Package 'linux-image-2.6.33' does not exist. |
| 01:52.44 | zcat[1] | qq-: so where do I find a 2.6.33 kernel package I can try installing in testing? |
| 01:53.12 | zcat[1] | qq-: or perhaps you'd rather just help me with my wireless problem |
| 01:53.41 | zcat[1] | qq-: http://pastebin.com/LdV4LDhu http://pastebin.com/f4MYg7r3 --- What's the difference? |
| 01:53.45 | qq- | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:53.58 | dancor | i want to install kernel 2.6.32-5-amd64 (related to google chromium-browser install), but i think i will need nvidia-kernel-2.6.32-5-amd64 which i don't think is in unstable but which is referenced other places on the internet. should i be using a non-standard apt-source to get it? |
| 01:53.59 | zcat[1] | wget it FROM WHERE?!!! |
| 01:54.08 | qq- | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:54.08 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/, in some contexts. Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/ |
| 01:54.23 | zcat[1] | "No documents match your query " |
| 01:54.38 | zcat[1] | It's not fsking ON http://packages.debian.org/ |
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| 01:54.51 | zcat[1] | condecending asshat |
| 01:55.19 | dancor | !spell condescending |
| 01:55.21 | dancor | :) |
| 01:55.22 | dpkg | 'condescending' may be spelled correctly |
| 01:55.49 | zcat[1] | !spell asshat |
| 01:55.51 | dpkg | possible spellings for asshat: as shat as-shat ass hat ass-hat shat asst Aisha Assad asset ashed Ashanti assert assort earshot ashlar Ashia Ishtar ashy shoat Ashla Ash ash Asher Ashe Asia OSHA chat shad shit shot shut sachet Aisha's aught Ash's ash's Ashia's |
| 01:55.59 | zcat[1] | sweet. |
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| 01:56.55 | dancor | i wonder if it says "may be" because it's using a bloom filter |
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| 01:57.40 | zcat[1] | "where" may be spelled correctly (but not if I meant "wear") |
| 01:58.39 | guevolt | HI. I enabled an kernel module using modprobe module. How can I set this module to be enabled when I reboot the server ? |
| 01:59.33 | hideo | /etc/modules |
| 01:59.47 | zcat[1] | ok, finally found it. thanks for the help. |
| 02:00.02 | guevolt | humm.. .Interesting... |
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| 02:01.56 | zcat[1] | or perhaps not... seems to be packaged for every processor but ix68 |
| 02:01.58 | guevolt | hideo: just add ip_conntrack (example) |
| 02:02.10 | bodi | ? if i posted a fix for something that was listed in the repos and than got banned for it for illegal content does that seem fair ? |
| 02:04.01 | cast_ | what are you talking about |
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| 02:04.43 | zcat[1] | so there's precompiled kernels for everything else but for i386 the only option is build from course? |
| 02:04.55 | zcat[1] | *source |
| 02:05.06 | zcat[1] | and this probably wont even help me anyhow |
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| 02:05.48 | zcat[1] | Why do I get the feeling nobody here actually has any clue why my wifi isn't working? |
| 02:05.51 | hideo | go back to ubuntu and give them updates tweet by tweet, noob |
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| 02:11.57 | zcat[1] | I wonder if an earlier kernel would work. that's easier. |
| 02:12.07 | qq- | zcat[1], why ? > "Error 2 opening /etc/Wireless/RT2860STA/RT2860STA.dat" |
| 02:12.51 | zcat[1] | qq-: google it, it's 'normal' apparently, nothing to do with the problem |
| 02:13.10 | zcat[1] | .. just some legacy crap in the kernel that needs to be cleaned up |
| 02:13.14 | qq- | used that too ? > http://wiki.debian.org/zd1211rw |
| 02:14.29 | zcat[1] | yes...... I have already googled every error message and followed every howto I can find |
| 02:14.46 | zcat[1] | the firmware is installed and loaded, check dmesg |
| 02:14.55 | zcat[1] | for both adapters |
| 02:15.30 | qq- | what's "both adapters" ? |
| 02:16.59 | zcat[1] | I have two completely differnt adapters, one pci, one usb, different chipsets, different drivers, both work perfectly in ubuntu connecting to the same AP.... and in debian both show exactly the same 'problem' -- they can both SEE access points, but I cannot set essid on either |
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| 02:18.55 | zcat[1] | http://pastebin.com/LdV4LDhu -- two adapters, both working in ubuntu 10.04 live CD and http://pastebin.com/f4MYg7r3 precisely the same hardware on exactly the same machine with the same AP, failing to work in debian |
| 02:19.30 | zcat[1] | Sorry, I think I put them the wrong way around |
| 02:19.49 | qq- | no worry we sow that |
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| 02:22.25 | zcat[1] | full pastebin, dmesg, uname -a, lspci, lsusb, iwscan etc both adapters seeing AP's and both not connecting to any in debian http://pastebin.com/KYdQUvfs which compares with http://pastebin.com/f4MYg7r3 exactly the same configuration, both adapters working perfectly in ubuntu. |
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| 02:25.17 | zcat[1] | using command line tools directly since the GUI tools are only a front end for the command line tools anyhow |
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| 02:29.24 | zcat[1] | qq-: so you know all the answers. what's the answer? |
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| 02:38.34 | liable | ralink, urgh. what module does a 2800 use? |
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| 02:40.48 | woodworks | can someone please recommend a good music cd player, other than rythmnbox? that aptitude can install |
| 02:40.54 | zebradog_ | songbird |
| 02:41.04 | zebradog_ | but perhaps it'll have to be in /opt |
| 02:41.30 | liable | amarok is a popular one i think |
| 02:41.43 | woodworks | how do you tell aptitude to put it in /opt zebradog_? |
| 02:41.50 | liable | you dont |
| 02:42.04 | zebradog_ | i skimmed his second question |
| 02:42.08 | woodworks | yeah, hadn't seen that option yet |
| 02:42.31 | zebradog_ | woodworks, if u want to try the --divert option welcome |
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| 02:43.02 | woodworks | oh? have to investigate |
| 02:43.17 | zebradog_ | !refcard |
| 02:43.17 | dpkg | A short reference of Debian commands - quite useful for someone new to Debian - can be found at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/refcard/refcard.en.pdf and packaged for Debian as debian-refcard. See also <grounding>, <vim refcard>. |
| 02:43.53 | woodworks | thanks guys |
| 02:44.18 | zebradog_ | woodworks, dpkg is not a guy |
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| 02:45.37 | woodworks | yes, i know that but you are and liable is |
| 02:45.47 | woodworks | guys is an assumption though |
| 02:46.08 | sepult | maybe you should spend dpkg a dingdong for birthday ? |
| 02:46.17 | sepult | lol |
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| 02:46.47 | zebradog_ | woodworks, guy fawkes smiles at you |
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| 02:53.30 | jpinx-eeepc | woodworks: vlc |
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| 02:55.17 | zcat[1] | and I'm back. upgraded kernel from 2.6.32-3-686 to 2.6.32-5-686. This broke nvidia drivers, but did not help at all with wireless |
| 02:55.29 | woodworks | thanks jpinx-eeepc |
| 02:55.54 | jpinx-eeepc | woodworks: np - I use it all the time and it copes with everything I throw at it |
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| 02:57.53 | zcat[1] | qq-: thought of anything else yet? |
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| 02:59.36 | JairunCaloth | anyone try using the binary repo for virtualbox with squeeze? |
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| 03:00.23 | JairunCaloth | they only provide repos for etch and lenny |
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| 03:02.09 | zcat[1] | can't imagine why it wouldn't work.. |
| 03:02.33 | zcat[1] | you want me to try and tell you if everything breaks? |
| 03:02.52 | craigevil | JairunCaloth: the lenny one works for squeeze and sid also |
| 03:03.14 | JairunCaloth | thanks :) |
| 03:03.31 | JairunCaloth | wanders off to figure out how to make aptitude use a lenny repo |
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| 03:05.48 | zcat[1] | just add the line to sources.list and don't forget to add the key (I just did) then aptitude update && aptitude install virtualbox |
| 03:06.03 | zcat[1] | too easy |
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| 03:07.00 | JairunCaloth | ah, I did an update and upgrade and it didn't offer to upgrade virtualbox. But in hindsight, virtualbox and virtualbox-ose are completly different packages. |
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| 03:12.49 | craigevil | JairunCaloth: aptitude install virtualbox-3.2 |
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| 03:13.49 | JairunCaloth | yeah I got it up. working on getting the kernel module to build right now... |
| 03:14.35 | zcat[1] | haha, I just noticed that.. had 1.6.6-35336_Debian_lenny installed instead of the latest one from the virtualbox.org repo... |
| 03:18.44 | JairunCaloth | bleh.. |
| 03:18.51 | JairunCaloth | slits his wrists |
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| 03:22.26 | JairunCaloth | hrm. looks like I ended up with the same package :-p |
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| 03:23.39 | JairunCaloth | much better :) |
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| 03:23.59 | Solver | checkout the email from elfields@aol.com on debian-user |
| 03:24.05 | zcat[1] | JairunCaloth: my error, install virtualbox-3.2 not just virtualbox, otherwise you get the older non-free package from the debian repos |
| 03:24.08 | Solver | oh I needed a good laugh :) |
| 03:24.21 | zcat[1] | Solver: link? |
| 03:24.24 | JairunCaloth | zcat[1]: yeah I ran into the same thing :-p got it straightened out |
| 03:25.44 | Solver | I don't have a link in the archive, i'm reading it from the list. Basically a former spammer wanting her spam removed because it is now embarrassing :) |
| 03:26.10 | JairunCaloth | lol |
| 03:26.32 | zcat[1] | http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2010/05/msg02300.html |
| 03:27.02 | zcat[1] | That's pretty funny |
| 03:27.32 | craigevil | guess she shouldnt have spammed the mailing-list 12 yrs ago |
| 03:27.54 | Solver | yep :) |
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| 03:28.10 | Solver | if it was good enough to spam us it's good enough to stay in the archive :) |
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| 03:28.38 | zcat[1] | I'm guessing this is now turning up when prospective employees google their name |
| 03:28.46 | Solver | and by posting to the list rather than just sending to the list admin she is drawing attention to it :) |
| 03:29.19 | JairunCaloth | reason #35643 not to put your real name online :-p |
| 03:29.25 | Solver | haha |
| 03:29.51 | Solver | at least not when associating it with dodgy business practices :) |
| 03:29.58 | JairunCaloth | yeah |
| 03:30.48 | Solver | hahaah I just Googled her name and the 6th hit is this new email drawing attention to the old one :) |
| 03:31.06 | craigevil | haha and her recent message is #4 when you google her name, thats is hilarious |
| 03:31.06 | JairunCaloth | BRILIANT! |
| 03:31.10 | mnuhmnuh | Solver: streisand effect! |
| 03:31.13 | Solver | ahhaa |
| 03:31.26 | JairunCaloth | she google bombed herself |
| 03:31.52 | Solver | thanks Ellen I needed a good laugh :) |
| 03:32.39 | zcat[1] | Someone needs to blog a 'what not to do' article and help her pagerank a bit more ... |
| 03:33.07 | zcat[1] | shouldn't take much to get this to the first result |
| 03:33.30 | zcat[1] | (I am so cruel) |
| 03:33.34 | Solver | hahah |
| 03:34.13 | JairunCaloth | hrm... |
| 03:34.35 | zcat[1] | mmasnik@techdirt.org? |
| 03:34.56 | zcat[1] | no, that would be too mean |
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| 04:11.59 | zcat[1] | so anyway, my wireless still isn't working |
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| 04:12.19 | cast_ | wireless sucks. |
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| 04:19.06 | zebradog_ | lol |
| 04:19.12 | zebradog_ | wireless not for the newbs |
| 04:19.30 | zebradog_ | cast_, your brain sucks :p |
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| 04:20.23 | cast_ | indeed. and you shouldn't be using it! |
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| 04:34.18 | rzeka | Is there any chance I can change sesolution in console while system is running not at startup (vga=773) |
| 04:34.32 | wols_ | fbset perhaps? |
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| 04:56.40 | udo | I noticed I can't get my 100Mbps NIC to use more then 10Mbps.. |
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| 05:00.53 | mactimes | udo: Check the transfer rate of your hub/switch. |
| 05:01.07 | cast_ | are you using micropackets |
| 05:02.02 | udo | all checked, it's just this client |
| 05:03.05 | udo | tho now I'm getting like 20Mbps, max 1MiB/s over network, 1,6MiB/s over internet |
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| 05:25.38 | CartoonCat | hello |
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| 05:26.51 | CartoonCat | so I want to install debian directly to a usb hd i have (sata hd in usb adapter) then put it into my spare laptop. Is there a guide to the best way to do this |
| 05:27.40 | cast_ | nah |
| 05:27.49 | cast_ | well, probably somewhere, but none come to mind |
| 05:27.54 | CartoonCat | yay |
| 05:27.59 | cast_ | its pretty simple, might have some bootloader fun |
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| 05:28.17 | cast_ | bootloaders are easy once you read the manual though |
| 05:28.57 | CartoonCat | yea it looks pretty simple, there is some 'hd-media' for installing from, but not quite what I am after |
| 05:31.18 | CartoonCat | it would be much simpler if I had say a KB or a optical on it heh |
| 05:31.43 | CartoonCat | (the boys got to it, killed the drive and kb) |
| 05:31.57 | cast_ | hmm |
| 05:32.00 | cast_ | is it on the network? |
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| 05:33.14 | CartoonCat | it would be once it boots, but i can not boot it cpet fromthe hd |
| 05:33.35 | CartoonCat | well, no, not even then, i must get a kb for it |
| 05:33.53 | CartoonCat | its a dell with a 'bad' wall adapter, so you need to hit f2 to boot |
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| 05:34.55 | CartoonCat | that is a non issue, once I figure out how to to get a install onto the hd |
| 05:37.22 | freehood4all | Question: Where on the internets do I find repository lists to add to /etc/apt/sources.list? I'm trying to set up apt-pinning but can't find a good source for the different repos |
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| 05:41.29 | wols_ | freehood4all: does not exist. there are the debian repos and we don't know (or care) about any others |
| 05:41.39 | wols_ | and pinning is a FAST way to destroy you installation |
| 05:42.22 | wols_ | !tell CartoonCat about usb install |
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| 05:43.12 | freehood4all | Thanks for the info wols_ , as long as you keep track of the packages and dependancies of the packages you are installing I don't see any harm in it |
| 05:43.53 | CartoonCat | wols_: how do you figure that can help me ? |
| 05:43.56 | fishermann | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:44.33 | wols_ | CartoonCat: it's the standard way to install from usb |
| 05:44.38 | CartoonCat | wols_: im not trying to install FROM the usb |
| 05:44.52 | wols_ | fishermann: what soundcard is it? |
| 05:45.17 | wols_ | CartoonCat: to usb? how is that a problem? |
| 05:45.20 | CartoonCat | i have a hd <out of> a laptop <in> a usb adapter that i need to install <to> then replace to the laptop. I have no other usb adpaters at this time |
| 05:46.03 | wols_ | I suggest you remove ALL other hdds from the PC where you install debian on the usb hdd |
| 05:46.11 | wols_ | confuses grub the least |
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| 05:46.40 | CartoonCat | that too would not be a option, or rather, makes doing it that way pointless |
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| 05:47.15 | CartoonCat | if i had the option of it, i would just install to the laptop directly |
| 05:47.21 | wols_ | how is it pointless? you might be able to trick grub with device.map of course |
| 05:47.51 | CartoonCat | you miss what I am looking to do and what options I have. |
| 05:47.53 | wols_ | CartoonCat: wrong. unless the laptop has a optical drive |
| 05:47.59 | freehood4all | I think I just found an answer to my question, "apt-setup" :-) |
| 05:48.00 | CartoonCat | it does not |
| 05:48.05 | fishermann | wols_ 00:1b.0 Audio device [0403]: Intel Corporation Ibex Peak High Definition Audio [8086:3b56] (rev 05) |
| 05:48.28 | wols_ | ,pciid 8086:3b56 |
| 05:48.29 | judd | [8086:3b56] is '5 Series/3400 Series Chipset High Definition Audio' from 'Intel Corporation' with no known kernel module in lenny but has kernel module 'snd-hda-intel' in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:3b56 |
| 05:48.31 | CartoonCat | and the usb's on it only work sometimes, so booting anything usb on it, wont be pretty, or reliable |
| 05:48.39 | wols_ | CartoonCat: your desktop has a optical drive? |
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| 05:49.01 | CartoonCat | no running desktops here, 3 laptops |
| 05:49.04 | wols_ | CartoonCat: you only need to boot ONCE from usb, never again |
| 05:49.17 | wols_ | CartoonCat: does ANY laptop have a optical drive? |
| 05:49.23 | CartoonCat | yes |
| 05:49.23 | freehood4all | meh, apt-setup is deprecated? |
| 05:49.28 | wols_ | then use it |
| 05:49.32 | wols_ | freehood4all: yes. /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 05:49.46 | wols_ | freehood4all: there is netselect-apt tho. but just don't use it |
| 05:49.47 | CartoonCat | i do not want to pull the opticals out |
| 05:50.15 | wols_ | CartoonCat: no one ever said anything about that. please read more carefully |
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| 05:50.18 | freehood4all | Thanks wols_ |
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| 05:52.40 | CartoonCat | wols_: I am still not seeing how thats going to work, the target laptop is a amd64 cpu, both my other laptops are plain 32bit intels, iirc the isntaller will not work like that |
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| 05:57.44 | hit | hello |
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| 06:04.34 | wols_ | CartoonCat: how much memory on the amd64 one? |
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| 06:07.28 | CartoonCat | wols_: 1gb after the neutering |
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| 06:10.12 | wols_ | then running amd64 is stupid |
| 06:10.52 | CartoonCat | wols_: why do you feel like that |
| 06:11.14 | wols_ | cause you don't get any advantages but you do get disadvantages due to more memory usage |
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| 06:12.12 | dancor | how can i see all installed packages that are "foreign" (unlisted in current apt-get update database, or installed version is higher than what is in database) |
| 06:12.13 | CartoonCat | mmm, i would agree cept i would be using this as a local dev box for some 64bit code, tired of the vpn to my rack box |
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| 06:14.12 | wols_ | CartoonCat: install 32bit then in a small partition, then install 64bit debian from that via debootstrap |
| 06:15.21 | dancor | 64bit code can be faster, particular for things suited to it (e.g. crafty) |
| 06:15.57 | wols_ | it usually is not |
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| 06:16.35 | dancor | many things would still work if i decided to never use the upper half my hard drive too |
| 06:18.01 | wols_ | not using the upper half of the hdd gives me lots of advantages, using amd64 for debian gives me lots of disadvantages when running most software |
| 06:18.07 | cast_ | oggenc is notably faster, as is openssl |
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| 06:18.37 | wols_ | cast_: but compilers aren't |
| 06:18.47 | cast_ | 64bit disadvantages seem to revolve around proprietary crapware :| |
| 06:19.05 | dancor | also around old poorly written c code |
| 06:19.19 | dancor | 64bit protects my computer from terrible projects :) |
| 06:19.30 | wols_ | cast_: not only. cache thrashing, memory usage are others |
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| 06:20.02 | wols_ | if I had a 1GB box and needed to develop on it, I'd try to save as much memory as possible |
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| 06:21.21 | hyper_ch | hmmm, is LXDE lighter than XFCE? |
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| 06:22.09 | Parsifal | From what I've read, LXDE and Xfce don't have very much difference in how light they are. |
| 06:22.15 | Parsifal | I've never used LXDE myself, though. |
| 06:22.16 | Caelum | is there a debian utility to initialize my ipod, or do I have to use a windows computer with itunes? |
| 06:22.19 | wols_ | hyper_ch: it is |
| 06:22.36 | hyper_ch | wols_: thx... gonna test if it runs on an "ancient" computer |
| 06:23.19 | wols_ | hyper_ch: however, a WM only is even lighter... e.g. the *box ones |
| 06:23.53 | wols_ | as always, a tradeoff between convenience and lightweight |
| 06:23.55 | hyper_ch | wols_: well, getting the live cd so that I won't touch the system |
| 06:24.09 | hyper_ch | wols_: and it's basically only for testing whether I can get the isdn card to run |
| 06:24.25 | wols_ | hyper_ch: pci id? |
| 06:24.34 | hyper_ch | am not at that computer yet |
| 06:24.45 | hyper_ch | downloading the live iso from home because I have better speeds here |
| 06:25.08 | hyper_ch | intending to settings up an asterisk or freeswitch box |
| 06:25.28 | cast_ | has been using e16 for the last...uh hmm, damn its been a while |
| 06:25.52 | wols_ | cast_: I wouldn't call that lightweight... |
| 06:26.21 | cast_ | i'd agree when it came out, but in 2010 :) |
| 06:27.00 | wols_ | oh, E16, true :) tho still... |
| 06:27.14 | wols_ | hyper_ch: why do you run X in the first place btw? |
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| 06:27.39 | hyper_ch | wols_: well, if the card doesn't run by default then it's more much confortable to have an x system avialble for googling :) |
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| 06:29.20 | SparFux | Hi all. I found out that option --append_to_version of make-kpkg requires a make-kpkg clean and perhaps this is why I get whole kernel tree rebuilding even if only one file was changed. So perhaps I should simply use revision number with current date and still can install multiple images in parallel? |
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| 06:32.27 | firespeaker | SparFux: my guess is that it makes it clean since it's assuming there's a reason for the different version |
| 06:33.17 | Caelum | SparFux: it always does a clean first, the only way around that I found was editing debian/rules then doing debian/rules binary instead of make-kpkg |
| 06:33.34 | SparFux | firespeaker: Yes, and that's not what I want. I am using it to "tag" my own kernel builds to be nouveau latest git like 2.6.34-rc5-nouveau.git-20100528, but I think if I only use --revision=20100528 then I can install multiple images without whole rebuilt. |
| 06:33.56 | Caelum | SparFux: it always does a whole rebuild |
| 06:34.03 | SparFux | Caelum: even if not specifiying append-to-version? |
| 06:34.08 | SparFux | hm... |
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| 06:38.36 | SparFux | Caelum: Yes, it always rebuilds everything. What a pity. There should be an option not to rebuild whole tree. |
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| 06:44.08 | Caelum | SparFux: I totally agree. It especially sucks on an eee pc, even with distcc, takes hours :) |
| 06:44.34 | SparFux | Yes. Why the hell is there not such an option? Let's add it in /usr/share/make-kpkg! |
| 06:46.32 | SparFux | I upgrade kernel about once a week for nouveau graphics driver. |
| 06:46.58 | Caelum | what comes after /dev/sdd ? |
| 06:47.16 | Caelum | sde I guess |
| 06:47.33 | SparFux | yes. |
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| 06:50.22 | Caelum | can't figure out where it's automounting his ipod |
| 06:51.20 | Caelum | nothing in "mount" |
| 06:51.42 | spectre- | dmesg |
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| 06:52.10 | Caelum | nothing there either, except the "new usb device found" stuff |
| 06:52.47 | spectre- | is it recognized as an ipod? |
| 06:53.23 | Caelum | it made an icon for it and offered to import photos from it |
| 06:53.35 | Caelum | but I just need the mountpoint |
| 06:53.51 | spectre- | ahhhh |
| 06:54.06 | spectre- | nothing in /media or /mnt ? |
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| 06:55.14 | Caelum | nope |
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| 06:55.58 | SparFux | Caelum: what does dmesg say? |
| 06:56.13 | Caelum | just the "new usb device" stuff |
| 06:56.18 | Caelum | nothing about a mount |
| 06:56.26 | SparFux | which device? |
| 06:56.30 | Caelum | ipod |
| 06:56.36 | SparFux | I mean in /dev? |
| 06:56.48 | Caelum | doesn't say |
| 06:56.56 | SparFux | cat /proc/mounts |
| 06:57.14 | SparFux | lsmod | grep sd_mod |
| 06:57.50 | spectre- | lsusb |
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| 06:58.57 | Caelum | nothing in mounts, sd_mod is loaded, it's in lsusb, but how do I find out what /dev thingie it is? |
| 06:59.19 | Caelum | my other 2 usb devices are in /media as you'd expect |
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| 07:03.13 | Caelum | nothing in /dev/disk/by-id either |
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| 07:17.44 | iw | I'm having trouble with my digital camera. I just dist-upgraded (running unstable/lenny) and it no longer seems to add a scsi drive like it used to when plugged in. dmesg shows the kernel reads the camera and it looks like it puts it on sdc1, but when i try to mount it, it's not in /dev. lsusb isn't finding the camera, either. where can i begin troubleshooting? |
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| 07:27.23 | the-dude | iw: upgraded from unstable to lenny? :/ |
| 07:28.06 | iw | i've always had my apt sources set to lenny and unstable |
| 07:28.18 | iw | i just ran apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 07:31.20 | the-dude | yeah never mix up different branches |
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| 07:34.45 | iw | is that changed? i remember years ago |
| 07:34.51 | iw | you had to have stable and unstable |
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| 07:40.36 | iw | well anyway changing sources.list and updating didnt seem to do anything |
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| 08:00.46 | |tomiondrums| | hi, i'm trying to install virtualbox on my debian squeeze machine but it fails on package virtualbox-ose-dkms with a message like "Module build for the currently running kernel was skipped since the kernel source for this kernel does not seem to be installed." |
| 08:00.46 | |tomiondrums| | is that a bug or do i simply have to install something else to resolve this? |
| 08:01.03 | |tomiondrums| | (architecture is amd64 and kernel is 2.6.32) |
| 08:02.25 | zcat[1] | install kernel source. or use virtualbox.org repo and install the virtualbox-3.2 package |
| 08:04.13 | jelly-home | |tomiondrums|: you'll need linux-headers-$(uname -r) package installed |
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| 08:06.41 | |tomiondrums| | jelly-home: that might be the clue |
| 08:07.20 | jelly-home | also, build-essential |
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| 08:11.40 | |tomiondrums| | jelly-home: build-essential is already installed (because i already had to build some non-debian software) but it quite looks that you were right. i had 2.6.32-trunk running but installed the 2.6.32-3 headers ... |
| 08:11.54 | |tomiondrums| | jelly-home: thank you very much! |
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| 08:32.38 | StefanNET | how to chmod /root to only root have access on it? |
| 08:32.55 | cast_ | chmod 0700 /root |
| 08:33.04 | cast_ | that'll be a dollar. |
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| 08:33.32 | StefanNET | well users can now join to /root and do ls on /root |
| 08:33.37 | StefanNET | how to stop that? |
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| 08:34.19 | nsadmin | those users are controlled by the rightmost digit of the perm mode |
| 08:34.40 | StefanNET | so? |
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| 08:34.57 | nsadmin | so, you change the mode on the dir /root |
| 08:35.37 | nsadmin | to learn how, the man page for chmod should have info on the two ways you can specify file/dir perms |
| 08:35.53 | nsadmin | one is numeric |
| 08:35.57 | nsadmin | the other is symbolic |
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| 08:36.59 | nsadmin | basically there are three digits (usually and most conveniently seen in base 8, aka octal) |
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| 08:37.45 | nsadmin | the leftmost controls the User who owns the files/dirs |
| 08:37.57 | StefanNET | k |
| 08:38.00 | nsadmin | the middle one controls the group |
| 08:38.16 | nsadmin | the rightmost controls everyone else who is a user on that machine |
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| 08:39.17 | nsadmin | brief aside... while I do have other users, usually they get on when they're in my place |
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| 08:40.59 | nsadmin | so (a) I tend to trust those people (if not, they wouldn't be in my place) and (2) I find it convenient to read /root as my nonroot user |
| 08:41.22 | nsadmin | hmm, I did that wrong... it should be a and b not a and 2 |
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| 08:42.03 | nsadmin | with me so far |
| 08:42.05 | nsadmin | ? |
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| 08:43.42 | Bop | guess not :x |
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| 08:44.58 | nsadmin | that question keeps me from running on too much :) |
| 08:45.14 | Bop | pause 10 :x |
| 08:45.27 | nsadmin | pause until response :) |
| 08:45.34 | nsadmin | if no response... |
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| 08:46.20 | Bop | if no response : break |
| 08:46.21 | Bop | :D |
| 08:47.15 | nsadmin | well he seemed to want a live explanation... which I gave but without translating to code |
| 08:47.39 | nsadmin | I gave what but not how |
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| 08:48.40 | Bop | could be a chown also |
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| 08:51.22 | balazsbela | hello all |
| 08:51.39 | balazsbela | is there a safe way to disable the laptop keyboard when an external keyboard is plugged in ? |
| 08:53.46 | nsadmin | Bop: maybe... but maybe /root is already owned by root:root |
| 08:54.20 | nsadmin | safe way? so C4 is out? |
| 08:54.23 | nsadmin | :) |
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| 08:54.26 | Bop | :) |
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| 08:55.30 | balazsbela | kind of :P |
| 08:55.39 | nsadmin | Bop: or what user/group were you thinking of changing it to? |
| 08:55.41 | balazsbela | I'm low on supply, saving it for other problems |
| 08:56.22 | Bop | im not thinking , i only sayed that StefanNET could by mistake made a chown and not a chmod |
| 08:56.29 | nsadmin | ahh, for economic advisors no doubt :) |
| 08:56.35 | StefanNET | yea that i think |
| 08:56.37 | StefanNET | chown :D |
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| 08:57.01 | nsadmin | oic |
| 08:57.24 | nsadmin | what chown does, is change the owner of a file or dir |
| 08:57.31 | Bop | just pick the undo key , all will be fine :p |
| 08:58.06 | nsadmin | people keep telling me about the any key, but there's no such key! |
| 08:58.34 | Bop | :) |
| 08:59.27 | nsadmin | StefanNET[ZNC], if you do a ls -ld /root you will see just the dir /root |
| 08:59.32 | nsadmin | in long form |
| 08:59.33 | Bop | nsadmin, what about general failure , did u meet him ? |
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| 09:00.15 | nsadmin | never was into military intelligence |
| 09:00.32 | Bop | he's on alot of computers ! |
| 09:00.38 | Guest62388 | hello there, how can I find out if the isdn card is working |
| 09:00.49 | Bop | stealth , no one really sees him |
| 09:01.01 | nsadmin | if you're connected thru it now, it's working, right? |
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| 09:01.19 | nsadmin | there are supposed to be kernel drivers for isdn cards |
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| 09:01.49 | nsadmin | does lspci -nn show a line about your isdn card? (among lots of other lines) |
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| 09:01.58 | Bop | lscpi wont help |
| 09:02.08 | Bop | better to check dmesg |
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| 09:02.40 | nsadmin | we should go both directions |
| 09:03.02 | Bop | lspci just says its connected on motherboard |
| 09:03.07 | superlinux | hi. how can I change the default location of where the deb files are to be downloaded on my disk other than /var/cache/apt/archives ? |
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| 09:03.18 | David1284 | hey, i have dual channel memory corsair 675 mhz, if i put an extra pair dual channel geil 800mhz in my system, will it be able to use that extra speed? of is the speed determined by the slowest dual channel ram set? |
| 09:03.21 | nsadmin | yeah, the -nn part is what I'm looking for to feed that to judd |
| 09:03.35 | David1284 | or is there some good hardware channel i can ask this question on? |
| 09:03.50 | Bop | yeah , #hardware |
| 09:03.55 | nsadmin | if you'd like you can try #hardware |
| 09:04.04 | Bop | but i think that memoryes always goes to lower speed |
| 09:04.07 | David1284 | thats only on invitation bob, i tried that one |
| 09:04.43 | nsadmin | what is an invitation bob? |
| 09:05.11 | David1284 | i meant Bop, the username who referred me to that channel |
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| 09:05.36 | nsadmin | oh ok :) |
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| 09:06.17 | |tomiondrums| | does anybody know whether kvm and virtualbox virtual machines could be run on the same host at the same time (in parallel)? |
| 09:06.44 | nsadmin | one could be a guest of the other I suppose |
| 09:06.49 | FabianLange | Hi, it seems i stubmbled upon a security feature that i would like to turn off. I have /home/fabian/jre/bin/java. however i cannot invoke it with /home/fabian/jre/bin/java. I first need to cd /home/fabian/jre/bin and then can execute java. is there a way to come around this? |
| 09:07.48 | nsadmin | FabianLange, so I have a few ideas... what happens when you cd to that dir and run ./java |
| 09:07.50 | Bop | FabianLange, what distro u on ? |
| 09:08.04 | FabianLange | debian lenny 64 bit |
| 09:08.06 | |tomiondrums| | nsadmin: i'd rather have them running as direct 'children' of the host, but i guess this might be a problem |
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| 09:08.45 | nsadmin | |tomiondrums|, maybe... you mean children of the hardware? |
| 09:08.46 | FabianLange | nsadmin, this doesnt work either. so it seems that specifying a directory does not work at all for that |
| 09:08.52 | FabianLange | also putting it on the ath doesnt help |
| 09:08.58 | |tomiondrums| | nsadmin: exactly |
| 09:09.00 | FabianLange | I am pretty sure this is a security feature :) |
| 09:09.11 | Bop | well |
| 09:09.21 | Bop | im on lenny 32 and i can run executables that way |
| 09:09.21 | nsadmin | FabianLange, while CDed into that dir, could you run file java |
| 09:09.28 | nsadmin | and ls -l java |
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| 09:10.04 | FabianLange | yes "java" works |
| 09:10.07 | FabianLange | -rwxr-xr-x 1 fabian user 47308 Mar 9 2009 java |
| 09:10.15 | Bop | what about ./java ? |
| 09:10.20 | FabianLange | ./java doesnt work |
| 09:10.25 | Bop | :x |
| 09:10.44 | nsadmin | try: which java |
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| 09:11.10 | FabianLange | /home/fabian/jre/bin/java |
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| 09:11.27 | FabianLange | i had removed the other java from the path before :-) |
| 09:12.02 | Bop | why not add new java path to path ? |
| 09:12.09 | FabianLange | it is |
| 09:12.14 | nsadmin | so when CDed in that dir, java and ./java respond two different ways? |
| 09:12.21 | FabianLange | yes |
| 09:12.26 | FabianLange | thats why i am here :) |
| 09:12.51 | nsadmin | ok, understood... still I have questions |
| 09:13.07 | Bop | what error does it bring when running ./java under the bin dir ? |
| 09:13.30 | nsadmin | if you do ./java 2>&1 | wc -l |
| 09:13.33 | nsadmin | in that dir |
| 09:13.39 | nsadmin | what does it say? |
| 09:13.57 | FabianLange | 1 |
| 09:14.13 | superlinux | sorry to repeat. |
| 09:14.14 | FabianLange | ./java: No such file or directory |
| 09:14.18 | superlinux | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:14.22 | nsadmin | ohhh |
| 09:14.40 | nsadmin | your shell env still thinks the old java is installed |
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| 09:15.01 | nsadmin | I think |
| 09:15.07 | nsadmin | if it |
| 09:15.12 | nsadmin | is bash, try hash -r |
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| 09:15.48 | FabianLange | bash: ./java: restricted: cannot specify `/' in command names |
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| 09:16.25 | nsadmin | you're running a restricted form of bash? |
| 09:16.45 | FabianLange | nsadmin, well you told me to try bash -r |
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| 09:17.01 | Bop | hash , not bash |
| 09:17.20 | nsadmin | hash, bash or flash... no one rides for free! |
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| 09:17.29 | FabianLange | ok, hash -r does nothing :) |
| 09:17.43 | nsadmin | after doing that, try the earlier tests |
| 09:17.47 | nsadmin | java |
| 09:17.51 | nsadmin | ./java |
| 09:18.02 | nsadmin | specifying the full pathname |
| 09:18.20 | FabianLange | same results |
| 09:18.27 | nsadmin | ok, so it wasn't that |
| 09:18.55 | nsadmin | so any form of specifying the loc of the bin fails |
| 09:19.05 | FabianLange | yes |
| 09:19.14 | nsadmin | but which java shows the one you want to run |
| 09:19.19 | FabianLange | yes |
| 09:19.43 | nsadmin | weeird :) |
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| 09:20.29 | nsadmin | this is a sun java? |
| 09:20.34 | FabianLange | jas |
| 09:20.35 | FabianLange | yes |
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| 09:20.57 | nsadmin | which you wanted to install in your home dir |
| 09:21.11 | FabianLange | yes |
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| 09:21.48 | nsadmin | not sure if this will be helpful... but it looks like "java" is running that java... |
| 09:22.09 | nsadmin | I take it there is a reason/problem with running it like that? |
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| 09:22.31 | FabianLange | yes i have some scripts in other directories that have the pathname fully qualified |
| 09:22.51 | nsadmin | which worked before this? |
| 09:23.05 | FabianLange | no it never worked |
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| 09:23.57 | nsadmin | would you be willing to replace the references to java in your script with a variable reference? |
| 09:24.06 | nsadmin | like: $java |
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| 09:24.46 | General_Jung | how much will my root be attackable if I open the 53-er port |
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| 09:25.03 | General_Jung | Is the security risk controllable ? |
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| 09:25.10 | nsadmin | 102.4325 quatloos! |
| 09:25.31 | nsadmin | oh, risk? the units are not quatloos for that |
| 09:25.57 | nsadmin | so you want to run a dns server? |
| 09:26.19 | FabianLange | nsadmin, i am really happy that you try to help me, but i woner how it can state at all that a file wasnt found when giving the fully qualified pathname? |
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| 09:26.51 | nsadmin | FabianLange, it's another file that's not being found if I'm not mistaken |
| 09:27.15 | FabianLange | which one? |
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| 09:27.50 | nsadmin | what happens when you run file (yourcopyof)/java |
| 09:28.46 | nsadmin | not sure, sometimes a script which specifies its interpreter via #!/path/to/interp won't be in the right place |
| 09:28.50 | FabianLange | /home/fabian/jre/bin/java: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.2.5, not stripped |
| 09:29.06 | nsadmin | ok, so it's a binary executable |
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| 09:29.39 | nsadmin | which could mean it's not finding the libs it needs for some reason |
| 09:29.52 | FabianLange | that might be an idea |
| 09:29.59 | FabianLange | that dynamically linked ones |
| 09:30.03 | nsadmin | do you see a dir called lib in /home/fabian/jre? |
| 09:30.38 | FabianLange | yeah there is the usual java stuff inside |
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| 09:32.01 | nsadmin | ok, try this... cd /home/fabian/jre/bin/ ; LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/home/fabian/jre/lib ./java |
| 09:32.17 | nsadmin | the cd might not be necessary |
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| 09:34.03 | FabianLange | same result. no such fiel or directory on the ./java |
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| 09:34.36 | nsadmin | you did that as one line? |
| 09:34.42 | FabianLange | yes |
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| 09:35.19 | nsadmin | ok, then it's possible that the executable java is reading the name it was invoked under and doing things based on it |
| 09:35.43 | FabianLange | but why should it. its a standard java :) |
| 09:36.05 | nsadmin | I don't know the answer to that :) |
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| 09:38.04 | nsadmin | could you show the exact output when you do... |
| 09:38.25 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:39.16 | FabianLange | -bash: /home/fabian/jre/bin/java: No such file or directory |
| 09:39.41 | nsadmin | and you did the hash -r? |
| 09:39.51 | FabianLange | ys |
| 09:40.11 | FabianLange | i think you are now as confused as i am |
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| 09:40.33 | nsadmin | if I ever was less... |
| 09:40.35 | wols | FabianLange: what does ldd say? |
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| 09:42.16 | nsadmin | try ldd (fullpathtoyour)/java |
| 09:42.37 | FabianLange | i did that :) |
| 09:42.46 | nsadmin | wow |
| 09:43.23 | nsadmin | and before you did... |
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| 09:43.40 | nsadmin | file (fullpathtoyour)/java |
| 09:43.41 | nsadmin | ? |
| 09:43.44 | FabianLange | correct |
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| 09:44.07 | FabianLange | ldd says not dynamic, file says dynamic :) |
| 09:44.15 | sourabh | which is the best calendar server that supports free/busy and caldav |
| 09:44.22 | nsadmin | ls -l (fullpathtoyour)/java |
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| 09:45.32 | nsadmin | should be one line |
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| 09:46.12 | FabianLange | -rwxr-xr-x 1 fabian user 47308 Mar 9 2009 /home/fabian/jre/bin/java |
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| 09:51.23 | gjesvik | Always getting "Unable to resolve host" when sudoing and so on in lenny |
| 09:51.45 | gjesvik | tried all kinds of ways to fix it as given in forums |
| 09:52.16 | wols | !tell gjesvik about errors |
| 09:52.43 | gjesvik | w |
| 09:52.45 | gjesvik | ty |
| 09:52.46 | wols | FabianLange: and ldd in /home/fabian/jre/bin ? |
| 09:52.51 | gjesvik | rune@:~$ sudo gedit sudo: unable to resolve host |
| 09:53.02 | FabianLange | wols, same result |
| 09:53.08 | wols | do a strace on gjesvik |
| 09:53.19 | wols | FabianLange: which exactk debian package? |
| 09:53.31 | FabianLange | i am considering this is a bug with the sun 32bit jre on a 64bit debian |
| 09:54.04 | FabianLange | that jre is provided by a software vendor |
| 09:54.09 | FabianLange | its not a deian package |
| 09:54.21 | wols | FabianLange: strings java |grep .so |
| 09:54.25 | sourabh | which is the best calendar server that supports free/busy and caldav |
| 09:54.28 | JyZyXEL | is there a tool that can move partition entries or does it have to be done with dd? |
| 09:54.33 | wols | FabianLange: then go to said vendor. have a nice day |
| 09:55.00 | wols | !tell sourabh about best |
| 09:55.12 | wols | sourabh: /msg dpkg poll |
| 09:55.45 | sourabh | means that gives food performance |
| 09:56.04 | sourabh | good |
| 09:56.11 | sourabh | performance |
| 09:56.14 | gjesvik | ty. Installed package strace and will read man for usage. |
| 09:56.17 | wols | gjesvik: sorry, I meant, do a strace on sudo. mea culpa |
| 09:57.00 | gjesvik | will do np |
| 09:58.24 | gjesvik | http://www.pastebin.org/289863 output strace sudo |
| 09:59.17 | wols | gjesvik: strace sudo <program> would be better... |
| 09:59.29 | gjesvik | np 1 sec. |
| 09:59.31 | wols | and NOT an X program as before |
| 09:59.36 | gjesvik | ok :) |
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| 10:00.38 | gjesvik | http://www.pastebin.org/289864 strace sudo vim |
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| 10:02.44 | wols | gjesvik: ls -l /usr/bin/sudo |
| 10:02.59 | wols | and note how the error message you claimed wasn't the error message you gave us |
| 10:03.08 | wols | gave us via strace that is |
| 10:03.15 | xk | did port forwarding change in 2.6.x? |
| 10:03.22 | gjesvik | rune@:~$ ls -l /usr/bin/sudo -rwsr-xr-x 2 root root 111164 2010-03-02 16:55 /usr/bin/sudo rune@:~$ |
| 10:03.27 | wols | skath: no. |
| 10:03.28 | xk | I can't seem to get port forwarding working any more. |
| 10:04.17 | wols | gjesvik: but you get "ls -l /usr/bin/sudo |
| 10:04.37 | wols | gjesvik: you get "sudo: must be setuid root" when running sudo |
| 10:04.49 | gjesvik | no |
| 10:04.54 | gjesvik | "Unable to resolve host" |
| 10:04.59 | gjesvik | whenever I do whatever |
| 10:05.34 | gjesvik | That is when i try to sudo |
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| 10:05.50 | xk | $X -A INPUT -j ACCEPT -p tcp --dport 1111 |
| 10:05.50 | xk | $X -A FORWARD -j ACCEPT -p tcp --dport 1111 |
| 10:05.50 | xk | $X -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp --dport 1111 -j DNAT --to-destination 192.168.2.28:5555 |
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| 10:06.10 | xk | I haven't changed my firewall rules for the last 5+ years... and it was working in the past |
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| 10:08.10 | irk | i have a simple question, i don't see openssh-server in apt-cache search after installing debian 5.0.4, how come? |
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| 10:08.32 | wols | ,versions openssh-server |
| 10:08.33 | judd | openssh-server -- etch: 1:4.3p2-9etch3; etch-security: 1:4.3p2-9etch3; lenny: 1:5.1p1-5; squeeze: 1:5.5p1-3; sid: 1:5.5p1-4 |
| 10:08.34 | nsadmin | you haven't tried installing it? |
| 10:08.47 | wols | irk: cause your sources.list is lacking debian main repos |
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| 10:09.07 | irk | sources.list show lenny/updates main |
| 10:09.21 | wols | irk: pastebin the full sources.list |
| 10:09.23 | nsadmin | show that one full line |
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| 10:09.29 | wols | and lenny/updates is not lenny |
| 10:09.30 | irk | im connected via a kvm :P |
| 10:09.50 | irk | dev http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main |
| 10:09.53 | nsadmin | that should still work :) |
| 10:09.54 | irk | deb* |
| 10:10.06 | nsadmin | yeah, that's not the only thing you need |
| 10:10.07 | wols | irk: as I said. you don't have the debian main repos |
| 10:10.16 | wols | irk: what you have is security updates only |
| 10:10.23 | irk | gotcha |
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| 10:13.38 | irk | ah thanks gus |
| 10:13.56 | irk | is it usual to have to manually add the main repos? |
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| 10:14.59 | sourabh | which is the best calendar server that supports free/busy and caldav |
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| 10:15.23 | sourabh | do anyone know a php/mysql implemented calendar server ? |
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| 10:17.47 | nsadmin | I do tcl/postgres, so no |
| 10:18.52 | sourabh | hi nsadmin |
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| 10:19.14 | nsadmin | hi |
| 10:19.36 | sourabh | have u ever implemented a calendar server ? |
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| 10:20.10 | gjesvik | ty ty |
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| 10:20.19 | nsadmin | no, but there was this lib called ical |
| 10:20.29 | sourabh | ok |
| 10:20.55 | nsadmin | there was an attempt to incorportate it into openacs |
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| 10:24.15 | xingu | sourabh: google calendar? :) |
| 10:24.30 | sourabh | ok |
| 10:24.56 | nsadmin | you could look at rfc 2445 |
| 10:25.24 | sourabh | but i need to integrate with corporate email |
| 10:26.09 | nsadmin | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ICalendar |
| 10:26.31 | sourabh | ok |
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| 10:29.06 | ktne | hello i have a broken apt database i think, my computer froze during a flashplayer install and i had to SYS+REISUB (due to unrelated reasons, bad FS mounted) |
| 10:29.07 | nsadmin | I dunno at all if that could help you, but it's a direction you could think about. if you're doing something for work, not reinventing any wheels would be a good thing |
| 10:29.22 | ktne | but now i cannot do anything with apt, apt-check says everything is ok |
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| 10:29.39 | cast_ | flash! check up another FUBAR situation due to non-free |
| 10:29.44 | ktne | apt-get check i mean |
| 10:29.54 | ktne | cast_: it's unrelated to flash :) |
| 10:30.19 | ktne | cast_: i have tried to mount a bad btrfs and it froze my computer |
| 10:30.35 | ktne | while i was trying to install flashplayer |
| 10:30.41 | cast_ | note btrfs is still not ready |
| 10:30.47 | ktne | i know now :( |
| 10:30.51 | jelly-home | ktne: "cannot do anything" isn't very descriptive. Care to pastebin the complete output of eg. "aptitude update" and say "apt-cache policy libc6"? |
| 10:30.54 | cast_ | makes note* |
| 10:31.22 | cast_ | i was tempted to try it this weekend but think i'll take a miss |
| 10:31.43 | jelly-home | I was tempted to try ext4 like that, a few months back |
| 10:31.58 | ktne | http://nopaste.info/6864d7e40a.html |
| 10:32.15 | ktne | here is the sudo apt-get install nspluginwrapper output |
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| 10:33.22 | jelly-home | ktne: that's not exactly what I asked, but, alright. ls -la /var/lib/dpkg ? is there any dpkg process still alive? |
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| 10:34.00 | jelly-home | ktne: also, you should ask in #ubuntu |
| 10:34.05 | ktne | http://nopaste.info/index.html |
| 10:34.27 | ktne | jelly-home: nobody answers there, and since this is an apt issue i was wondering if anyone can help on #debian :) |
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| 10:34.57 | ktne | there is no dpkg process left |
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| 10:35.54 | jelly-home | ktne: yeah, but this is a Debian channel, not an apt or dpkg channel. Investigate your filsystem state, and if you're sure it's all right, writable, and no dpkg/apt/synaptic/etc processes are alive, try deleting that lock file |
| 10:36.06 | ktne | what lock file? |
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| 10:37.29 | ktne | jelly-home: is there an apt channel? |
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| 10:37.53 | jelly-home | ktne: not that I know of, sorry |
| 10:38.04 | icebrain | there's #apt, I dunno if it's abotu apt :) |
| 10:38.06 | icebrain | *about |
| 10:38.09 | jelly-home | ktne: what lock file -> it's in your output |
| 10:38.22 | jelly-home | oh? |
| 10:38.31 | ktne | jelly-home: i don't know what i'm doing :) |
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| 10:39.05 | ktne | ok, deleted that lock, still no change |
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| 10:40.08 | jelly-home | ktne: please ask in an appropriate, ontopic channel, then. I don't want to mess up your non-Debian system |
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| 10:40.34 | raboof | hi! some of |
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| 10:41.01 | raboof | .. my fonts are way too big. I changed many by setting the font size in 'gtk-chtheme', but for example the text in eclipse is still to big |
| 10:41.08 | raboof | what is the best way to configure this? |
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| 10:44.03 | uffo | hello i am curios if i install deb package and later uninstall then is all files removed 100% (except i know user settings stay) - Why i ask this because Windows problem always was that installers left trash behind. |
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| 10:44.29 | jelly-home | uffo: purging the packages is supposed to clean all the cruft |
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| 10:45.17 | jelly-home | uffo: nothing will clear per-user configuration in their $HOME, though |
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| 10:45.35 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell uffo about purge |
| 10:45.46 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell uffo about debfoster |
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| 10:48.03 | smhar | I have gnome running. how to tell what window manger used? |
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| 10:48.51 | uffo | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:57.46 | russss | I'm using the squeeze installer (linux 2.6.30-2) and for some reason my network link isn't coming up - card is a RTL8111/8168B, the driver is r8169 just keeps saying link down |
| 10:57.55 | russss | (it works fine with ubuntu...) |
| 10:58.05 | MeglaW | ifup |
| 10:58.21 | russss | well, this is at the dhcp stage where I don't even have ifup |
| 10:58.27 | russss | or ifconfig for that matter |
| 10:58.33 | smhar | I have gnome running. how to tell what window manger used? |
| 10:59.00 | badipod | Its |
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| 10:59.11 | badipod | It's probably metacity iirc |
| 10:59.26 | russss | the other log message is ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): eth0: link is not ready |
| 10:59.45 | DipSwitch | russss: are you sure it uses the right driver? |
| 11:00.00 | russss | hm, I can't be 100% sure |
| 11:00.07 | russss | as far as I'm concerned this computer is cursed. |
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| 11:00.32 | smhar | when I run some programs, the wm crashes and I want to restart it, how to do that? just issue metacity in the command line? |
| 11:01.31 | russss | oh wait, yes. It should be using r8168 |
| 11:01.36 | DipSwitch | russss: lspci < then look on what bus the network adapter is plugged when you know use: lspci -v -s xx:xx.x |
| 11:01.50 | russss | it even says it in the device description |
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| 11:03.45 | russss | ah wait, no, I lie. That's an old thing, the 8168 chip is now supported by the r8169 driver it seems. |
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| 11:08.17 | russss | it appears to be this bug, although my kernel is somewhat newer. http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=552465 |
| 11:08.28 | russss | I'll try the nightly installer. :/ |
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| 11:11.05 | liable | Russell_F36: try kmuto's, its got the 32 kernel |
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| 11:11.52 | liable | russss: ^^ |
| 11:11.53 | russss | oh linux. Never a dull moment. |
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| 11:12.05 | russss | ok I'll try that |
| 11:13.00 | russss | oh, I'm installing squeeze anyway, so presumably the squeeze nightly installers will have 32 |
| 11:13.17 | liable | didnt a week or so ago when i used it |
| 11:13.24 | liable | still on 30 |
| 11:13.26 | raboof | is there an easy way to find out which kernel has http://cgit.freedesktop.org/nouveau/linux-2.6/commit/?id=877c1854cbc3f72c5e9948e5ff5a8f7e9d874d2e ? And if such a kernel has been packaged for Debian yet? |
| 11:13.26 | DipSwitch | squeeze uses 2.6.32-14 yes |
| 11:13.39 | DipSwitch | ow sorry :p |
| 11:14.00 | liable | DipSwitch: the installer doesnt keep up quite as quick with kernel releases unfortunately |
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| 11:16.12 | russss | I'd quite like squeeze but I guess I can dist-upgrade. |
| 11:16.17 | smhar | DipSwitch, I am running squeeze and I only got 2.6.32-3-686, am I missing something? |
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| 11:16.52 | jelly-home | smhar: missing the difference between package name and package version, I think |
| 11:16.55 | jelly-home | ,kernels |
| 11:16.57 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.34-1-686 (2.6.34-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-13); squeeze: 2.6.32-3-686 (2.6.32-9); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.4-686 (2.6.32-11~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-22lenny1); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
| 11:17.11 | Smiley | Hi all, Does anyone know about using a N95 as a modem via usb? |
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| 11:17.12 | Smiley | :< |
| 11:17.24 | DipSwitch | smhar: they do but the fix number is not equal to the kernel mainstream you can see with: apt-cache show linux-image-2.6.32-3-686 |
| 11:17.45 | DipSwitch | there you see it uses Version: *** |
| 11:18.29 | smhar | DipSwitch, ok, but it says: Filename: pool/main/l/linux-2.6/linux-image-2.6.32-3-686_2.6.32-9_i386.deb |
| 11:19.01 | DipSwitch | apt-cache show linux-image-2.6.32-3-686 | grep Version |
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| 11:19.23 | smhar | DipSwitch, Version: 2.6.32-9 |
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| 11:19.43 | smhar | DipSwitch, and I just finished a update session |
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| 11:20.18 | Master_User | hoi |
| 11:20.39 | DipSwitch | ah yeah w8 squeeze needs to be more stable than sid so they keep on testing for a longer time to see if everything works fine :) |
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| 11:21.28 | russss | I have uncommonly bad luck with debian installers. |
| 11:21.39 | russss | in fact, I just have bad luck with linux on the desktop, heh |
| 11:21.40 | Smiley | erm |
| 11:21.45 | Smiley | How do I use network-manager? :/ |
| 11:21.50 | liable | new hardware is usually problematic |
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| 11:25.09 | chalet16 | I install Debian 5.0 today but everytime i reboot i have to call "ifup eth0" and "ifup eth1" to start interface |
| 11:25.27 | liable | !interfaces |
| 11:25.27 | dpkg | Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for documentation, "zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz" for example configurations. Start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client>, <resolv.conf>, <static route>. |
| 11:26.00 | liable | chalet16: sounds like you just need an 'auto' stanza |
| 11:26.22 | liable | or hotplug |
| 11:26.39 | chalet16 | thanks you |
| 11:26.48 | chalet16 | when to use hotplug? |
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| 11:27.13 | liable | read the doc above, it'll explain it |
| 11:27.16 | chalet16 | ok |
| 11:27.18 | liable | the example one |
| 11:27.28 | chalet16 | thanks |
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| 11:28.07 | Smiley | ponders |
| 11:28.11 | Smiley | Usb modems = pain :( |
| 11:28.24 | liable | 3g? |
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| 11:28.35 | Smiley | well its via my phone, but yes. |
| 11:28.45 | Smiley | I've been looking, no idea what tools to use etc. |
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| 11:29.04 | liable | i just use pppd scripts and pon |
| 11:29.09 | liable | works great |
| 11:29.15 | Smiley | what package is that in ? |
| 11:29.16 | joltcan | Yeah, I was just about to say the same |
| 11:29.25 | joltcan | I used mine with bluetooth |
| 11:29.26 | liable | but i think even networkmanager can handle them these days |
| 11:29.27 | Smiley | think of me as stupid :) |
| 11:29.34 | Smiley | ok I installed network-manager |
| 11:29.39 | Smiley | but can't figure out how to configure it :< |
| 11:29.45 | Smiley | As when I'm at home I want to useless |
| 11:29.50 | Smiley | use, wireless. |
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| 11:31.55 | liable | Smiley: does NM see the device? |
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| 11:32.02 | mkad | Hi |
| 11:32.02 | Smiley | I can't see NM ;) |
| 11:32.14 | mkad | echo "The UTS Release version in include/linux/version.h"; echo " \"\" "; echo "does not match current version:"; echo |
| 11:32.16 | mkad | how to fix this? |
| 11:32.24 | Smiley | I don't know how to start network-manager. |
| 11:32.25 | Smiley | :/ |
| 11:32.28 | mkad | make[1]: *** [debian/stamp/install/linux-image-2.6.33.5] error 2 |
| 11:32.29 | mkad | ;/ |
| 11:32.44 | liable | Smiley: from your main menu, in the internet section iirc |
| 11:32.45 | mkad | what is current version? |
| 11:32.51 | liable | then it'll be in your tray |
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| 11:32.53 | Smiley | liable: not using gnome. |
| 11:32.56 | Smiley | im using flux |
| 11:33.04 | Smiley | its a eeePC, not sure it'll cope well with gnome. |
| 11:33.15 | liable | yes they do |
| 11:33.20 | liable | but anyway |
| 11:33.32 | liable | i dunno how flux would do it |
| 11:33.48 | Smiley | well whats the commandline for network-manager? |
| 11:33.49 | Smiley | :/ |
| 11:34.32 | liable | i dunno how you can play with it if it isn't in your tray |
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| 11:34.42 | Smiley | lol ok. never mind |
| 11:34.50 | Smiley | now I've gotta fix my wireless though |
| 11:34.51 | Smiley | :< |
| 11:35.15 | liable | Smiley: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC |
| 11:35.23 | liable | theres a channel on oftc |
| 11:35.34 | djura-san | o/ |
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| 11:37.47 | Smiley | that wiki is the worse thing ever -_-; |
| 11:37.53 | Smiley | its really really badly laid out :@( |
| 11:38.01 | Smiley | is saddened now he can't even get on his own wifi and nothing has changed -_-; |
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| 11:39.43 | Smiley | If i've just updated /etc/network/interfaces - is it /etc/init.d/networking restart to load it? |
| 11:40.04 | liable | yes |
| 11:40.38 | Smiley | drat. |
| 11:40.40 | Smiley | still nto working |
| 11:40.41 | Smiley | :/ |
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| 11:43.20 | Smiley | ok weird |
| 11:43.30 | Smiley | ifup works but /etc/init.d/networking doesn't? |
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| 11:44.20 | SPF | fdisk /dev/hdb gives me 'DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest' followed by 'Unable to read /dev/hdb' |
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| 11:44.41 | SPF | it's a 20 GB hdd, is there any chance on recover? |
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| 11:44.57 | Smiley | shouldn't it be /dev/hdb[1:100) |
| 11:45.03 | Smiley | pj waot |
| 11:45.07 | Smiley | Oh wait, no, ignore me. |
| 11:46.51 | wols | SPF: read sector 0 first |
| 11:46.54 | valdyn | SPF: disk is broken |
| 11:47.14 | SPF | wols: how? with dd? |
| 11:47.18 | valdyn | SPF: this can be a hardware defect, but also temporarily if you just hit a bug in firmware |
| 11:47.28 | valdyn | ( or if it overheated ) |
| 11:48.48 | SPF | sudo dd if=/dev/hdb of=/tmp/dump bs=512 count=1 results in dd: reading `/dev/hdb': Input/output error |
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| 11:52.10 | SPF | guess it really is dead? |
| 11:52.21 | SPF | glad it's not my hdd though :) |
| 11:52.47 | Smiley | wooooooooo |
| 11:52.53 | Smiley | my phone works as a usb modem! epic win |
| 11:52.55 | joltcan | SPF: You should probably look at something like http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/7684 |
| 11:53.03 | Smiley | Now just need to remember wtf im using to connect to my irssi session xD |
| 11:53.04 | joltcan | SPF: Or maybe you don't care if it isnt yours :) |
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| 12:07.27 | Smiley | woooo |
| 12:07.32 | Smiley | connected over my phone network ^_^ |
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| 12:13.19 | russss | urgh. Same problem with 2.6.32-trunk. |
| 12:13.45 | abrotman | why are you using that outdated kernel? |
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| 12:16.14 | nesquick | hi there all |
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| 12:19.43 | |tomiondrums| | hi! i've got some questions about the dhcp server. i've got the directives "update-static-leases true;", "ignore unknown-clients;" and "ignore client-updates;" in my /etc/dhcpd3/dhcpd.conf (I already restarted the dhcpd a couple of times) as i want the DNS-Names to be assigned by DHCP and i don't want the client to be able to put some other name in the DNS but the dhcp-clients are still able to assign the DNS name they wish... |
| 12:19.43 | |tomiondrums| | I'm obviously missing something or i overlooked something but I don't know what. Can you see my problem? What might be the clue? |
| 12:19.57 | liable | russss: can you set a manual ip? |
| 12:20.04 | |tomiondrums| | (i'm running debian squeeze amd64) |
| 12:20.08 | liable | abrotman: 32 is outdated? |
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| 12:20.22 | themill | liable: "trunk" |
| 12:20.24 | abrotman | -trunk- is very outdated |
| 12:20.35 | liable | how outdated? |
| 12:20.39 | abrotman | three months or more? |
| 12:21.07 | liable | haha, thst funny coming from #debian :P |
| 12:21.34 | russss | liable: nah, same problem |
| 12:21.35 | abrotman | anyways ... |
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| 12:21.41 | abrotman | he should be using the -3- |
| 12:21.47 | themill | liable: umm.... as in superseded package with known security vulnerabilities. Not "outdated" in that sense. |
| 12:21.49 | liable | abrotman: its install |
| 12:22.05 | abrotman | and he's not using it ... |
| 12:22.14 | liable | what? |
| 12:22.27 | liable | the dailies still use 30 |
| 12:22.56 | abrotman | don't think they do |
| 12:23.00 | liable | well, when i installed this boz a week and a half ago they were |
| 12:23.12 | liable | i had to use a kmuto installer |
| 12:23.29 | abrotman | anyways .. he should be using the -3- .. and because the version compare in grub doesn't seem happy, he'll have to manually select the -3- and then remove the -trunk- |
| 12:23.50 | liable | grub? |
| 12:23.58 | liable | he has network issues.. |
| 12:24.24 | abrotman | get him to boot the -3- and remove the -trunk- |
| 12:24.24 | liable | during install |
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| 12:24.48 | liable | what? its during install |
| 12:24.54 | abrotman | is he using the alpha or the daily? |
| 12:25.18 | liable | ask him, i told him to try kmuto |
| 12:25.38 | liable | you dont get to pick a kernel to boot in the installer anyway.. |
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| 12:26.27 | abrotman | you can if you're not using the most recent testing installer ... |
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| 12:26.41 | abrotman | you'd have a choice between whatever is in the alpha installer, and what might be in the daily |
| 12:26.50 | liable | pick the kernel that the installer boots? what? |
| 12:27.02 | russss | wtf! |
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| 12:27.15 | russss | turns out that if you turn the machine off and on again, it works. |
| 12:27.21 | russss | like, cold boot it. |
| 12:27.30 | liable | ah, firmware isue |
| 12:27.36 | abrotman | themill: i'm making sense .. right? |
| 12:27.50 | liable | not at all to me |
| 12:28.01 | abrotman | clearly |
| 12:28.07 | russss | apparently it works better with the r8168 driver, but that's not included in d-i (I dunno if it's obsolete or what) |
| 12:29.00 | russss | I might try it again with the squeeze installer now. |
| 12:29.03 | liable | abrotman: you are saying that the installer lets you chose a kernel that the installer will boot? |
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| 12:29.13 | abrotman | no |
| 12:29.33 | abrotman | russss: which ISO are you using for the squeeze installer? |
| 12:29.34 | liable | thats what i read from your comments. what did you actually mean? |
| 12:29.40 | russss | netinst |
| 12:29.52 | russss | I'm installing off USB |
| 12:30.21 | russss | so maybe it's because r8168 isn't in boot.img, but it is in the actual iso? |
| 12:31.05 | abrotman | russss: which actual image .. there is more than one |
| 12:31.14 | liable | if you have the netinst on the usb, it should find the networking udeb with it |
| 12:31.18 | abrotman | liable: i said what i meant! |
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| 12:31.37 | liable | abrotman: which was incoherant to me, shrug |
| 12:31.57 | russss | well, first I tried the squeeze alpha1 i386 boot.img and i386-netinst.iso |
| 12:32.05 | abrotman | liable: i get that |
| 12:32.25 | abrotman | russss: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso |
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| 12:32.48 | russss | that is the one I'm about to try |
| 12:32.51 | liable | are you sure that has a 32 kernel? |
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| 12:33.22 | russss | although if I can make it work using the cold boot trick I don't really want to spend much more time on it. |
| 12:33.22 | abrotman | darn well should .. the .32 has been in squeeze for months |
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| 12:33.35 | russss | it doesn't seem to be specific to the kernel version |
| 12:33.41 | abrotman | liable: i'm using my super slow DSL to find out ..ewww |
| 12:33.42 | liable | abrotman: i used it less than two weeks ago and it had 30 |
| 12:33.55 | russss | kmuto's installer had a .32 kernel and that still didn't work (until I did a cold boot) |
| 12:34.25 | abrotman | russss: at least if you try the daily and it fails, you can do an installation report and tell them it doesn't work |
| 12:34.30 | russss | yep |
| 12:34.37 | russss | I guess I should do that |
| 12:35.16 | liable | not much point reporting a bug for wanting a new kernel.. they'll just say 'yeah, wait, its coming'.. |
| 12:35.41 | abrotman | does the .30 or .32 say it should work ? |
| 12:35.56 | russss | I've had difficulty finding *anything* about this specific issue |
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| 12:36.08 | abrotman | russss: what is the PCIID of the device ? |
| 12:36.11 | russss | there are lots of similar issues which seem to be fixed now |
| 12:36.16 | abrotman | lspci -nn to see it |
| 12:36.18 | russss | I'll grab that once I boot it up |
| 12:36.30 | abrotman | blames liable for Gary Coleman |
| 12:36.40 | russss | http://paragasu.wordpress.com/2008/11/24/nec-versa-s5500-rt81118168b-ethernet-driver/ |
| 12:36.45 | russss | that's about as close as I can get |
| 12:36.45 | liable | aww, poor little guy |
| 12:36.57 | russss | seems r8168 is the proprietary driver? |
| 12:37.19 | abrotman | that guy implies it sohuld work in a .26 |
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| 12:37.36 | russss | suddenly has vauge memories of seeing this problem on a server about 2 years ago |
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| 12:38.01 | liable | eek, server wirh realtek hardware.. |
| 12:38.32 | abrotman | probably had an nvidia card too! |
| 12:38.36 | russss | maybe I'm imagining it. |
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| 12:38.55 | russss | I have bought my fair share of ultra-cheap servers in my time though |
| 12:39.07 | unixSnob | i thought etch was obsolete, but suddenly I see 55 new updates available for it |
| 12:40.03 | abrotman | unixSnob: /topic ? |
| 12:40.34 | pipeline | a brand new generation of terrible NICs :\ |
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| 12:41.40 | russss | seems like some of these realteks now require non-free firmware too |
| 12:41.53 | russss | the testing installer prompts me for it even though this card doesn't need it. |
| 12:42.04 | abrotman | it thinks it does for some reason |
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| 12:43.19 | russss | ok. So the daily testing build *does* have 2.6.32-5, and it seems that I can't reproduce this problem using it |
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| 12:43.50 | abrotman | -5- ? |
| 12:44.04 | russss | 2.6.32-5-486 |
| 12:44.41 | russss | that's http://people.debian.org/~joeyh/d-i/images/daily/hd-media/boot.img.gz + http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso |
| 12:44.53 | russss | unless I've mixed something up, which I don't think I have. |
| 12:45.02 | liable | good, problem solved? |
| 12:45.20 | russss | will reboot a few more times before he declares it solved |
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| 12:46.04 | abrotman | that's weird .. that kernel isn't in testing, but okay! |
| 12:46.06 | liable | you sure the firmware isnt for a wireless card? |
| 12:46.15 | abrotman | liable: see! told you! |
| 12:46.23 | liable | abrotman: d-i is usually way behind on kernels |
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| 12:46.38 | abrotman | liable: uhm, it's ahead in this case |
| 12:47.05 | liable | abrotman: it must have been upgraded in the last week or so. i had to use a kmuto because my ethernet card wasnt supported in 30 |
| 12:47.19 | abrotman | sure ... |
| 12:47.30 | liable | heh, fuck you :P |
| 12:47.37 | abrotman | or you grabbed the Alpha from a couple of months ago |
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| 12:48.05 | russss | I actually don't see how I could have fucked up and included the wrong boot.img by mistake, because kmuto's kernel was only 2.6.32-trunk |
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| 12:48.11 | liable | i used a daily you twat :P |
| 12:48.18 | russss | and this one is 2.6.32-5 |
| 12:48.21 | abrotman | sure ... |
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| 12:48.29 | lucia46 | hola |
| 12:48.31 | russss | is not complaining because it's working |
| 12:48.47 | abrotman | russss: good, glad to hear it .. have fun! |
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| 12:50.25 | russss | I fear I might be back with some more questions later. I'm only trying debian because I previously reinstalled ubuntu and I was having painful graphics+sound issues. |
| 12:50.29 | liable | haha, i might have to admit to being an idiot looking at kernel-wedge changelog.. |
| 12:50.41 | abrotman | pokes fun at liable |
| 12:50.50 | abrotman | funs poking liable |
| 12:51.00 | liable | shuddup |
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| 12:54.41 | ordex | why isn't xpdf in my repo list? |
| 12:55.04 | abrotman | ordex: using which version of debian ? |
| 12:55.12 | ordex | testing |
| 12:55.18 | ordex | deb http://ftp.it.debian.org/debian/ testing main non-free contrib |
| 12:55.22 | abrotman | dpkg: why is xpdf not in testing |
| 12:55.22 | dpkg | xpdf is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=xpdf |
| 12:55.31 | ordex | ah |
| 12:55.48 | liable | that doesnt make sense |
| 12:55.56 | abrotman | it has bugs? |
| 12:55.56 | liable | xpdf is old |
| 12:56.05 | abrotman | it may have been removed for a transition? |
| 12:56.31 | ordex | it is in lenny and in sid |
| 12:56.33 | liable | yeah, policy violation apparently |
| 12:56.55 | ordex | mh |
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| 12:57.46 | ordex | so, what can i do to install it? |
| 12:58.09 | pipeline | ordex: http://jaqque.sbih.org/kplug/apt-pinning.html |
| 12:58.13 | pipeline | ordex: it's a dangerous road |
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| 12:58.34 | liable | get it from sid, it has fuck all dependancies |
| 12:58.35 | abrotman | he could probably just grab it from packages.debian.org |
| 12:58.36 | ordex | pipeline: but i prefer to use xpdf instead of evince |
| 12:58.48 | ordex | yah, is what i'm doping now |
| 12:58.51 | ordex | *doing |
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| 13:01.35 | ordex | do you know any other very thin pdf reader? |
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| 13:02.31 | pipeline | gv will happily read pdf I think |
| 13:02.31 | Endz3it | do you know any other very thin pdf reader? |
| 13:02.43 | ordex | ? |
| 13:03.48 | MeglaW | foxit |
| 13:03.51 | liable | bot? |
| 13:04.01 | ordex | foxit is not opensource |
| 13:04.08 | pipeline | ordex: gv |
| 13:04.13 | amphi | epdfview ? |
| 13:04.16 | MeglaW | ordex: he did not ask for a os program, only thin |
| 13:04.17 | ordex | pipeline: i'll give a try |
| 13:04.21 | MadameZou | epdfwiew? |
| 13:04.41 | MadameZou | *epdfview |
| 13:05.43 | ordex | gv seems very nice :) |
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| 13:20.17 | Endz3it | bot known as punctuation. |
| 13:20.23 | johnald | squeeze is really rubbish....both evince and fqterm get fragmentation fault! |
| 13:20.23 | Endz3it | why don't you get the hell out |
| 13:20.53 | liable | Endz3it: who owns you? |
| 13:20.54 | Endz3it | endz3it: #ubuntu is the ubuntu support channel, for all ubuntu-related support questions |
| 13:21.14 | liable | themill: ^^ |
| 13:21.47 | liable | johnald: file a bug, welcome to *testing* |
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| 13:23.17 | johnald | I googled and found other guys have reported the fragfault bug |
| 13:23.17 | Endz3it | morning guys |
| 13:26.15 | lindi- | ordex: mupdf |
| 13:26.15 | Endz3it | ordex: he did not sure, because there was heavy criticism .. |
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| 13:26.43 | Endz3it | alexs_ |
| 13:26.46 | lindi- | ordex: (not in debian yet but it's free software and compact) |
| 13:26.46 | Endz3it | by madison grant which were advancing into being rejected part in a free download the 1000bgn microcode version for an elegant way to print from my dick for money endz3it |
| 13:26.56 | wols | !ops Endz3it is a very badly behaved bot |
| 13:26.56 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: wols complains about: Endz3it is a very badly behaved bot |
| 13:26.57 | Endz3it | themill: ^^ |
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| 13:27.35 | johnald | endz3it? |
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| 13:28.24 | johnald | lol not case sensitive... |
| 13:28.25 | Endz3it | lol |
| 13:28.26 | raboof | my laptop has a touchpad, but its 'sides' don't 'scroll'. how do I enable that? |
| 13:28.26 | Endz3it | anyone knows how do i start an app that likes kfc and the leader of the sh |
| 13:29.21 | johnald | raboof, do you think each touchpad should have scroll feature? |
| 13:29.21 | Endz3it | he prefers it when i have this computer started in ubuntu, and read somewhere that i should mind her own terms he had left austria for a nigger though |
| 13:29.23 | wols | !tell raboof about synaptics |
| 13:29.29 | wols | maybe the settings apps work for yours |
| 13:29.30 | Endz3it | and does he moved to work at a wo |
| 13:29.56 | amphi | raboof: or perhaps you can do it with xinput |
| 13:29.56 | Endz3it | i think you can you put just one word at top that parts were possible |
| 13:30.29 | raboof | johnald: well, in this case it has scrollbars physically printed on the pad, so that sort of indicates it supports it :) |
| 13:30.29 | Endz3it | i fucking owned you so much. |
| 13:31.12 | johnald | ehmm,like wols said,you should install the latest synaptics.... |
| 13:31.16 | raboof | wols: i'm not sure it's a synaptics - looking at http://wiki.debian.org/SynapticsTouchpad?#DeterminingtypeofTouchpad , "egrep -i 'synap|alps|etps' /proc/bus/input/devices" produces nothing |
| 13:31.16 | Endz3it | no i'm not. |
| 13:31.47 | johnald | my touchpad does not scroll in windows,but can scroll on squeeze |
| 13:31.47 | Endz3it | squeeze is really rubbish....both evince and other topics |
| 13:31.49 | johnald | lol |
| 13:31.49 | Endz3it | hey lol |
| 13:31.51 | wols | raboof: so what driver does it use? |
| 13:32.04 | raboof | wols: i have no idea. how do I find out? |
| 13:32.04 | Endz3it | wols: i'm not seeing jock cocks replies |
| 13:32.18 | wols | raboof: check Xorg logs |
| 13:32.18 | Endz3it | raboof: so what driver does it be able to toughen the learning bot? |
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| 13:33.55 | wols | raboof: what laptop is it? |
| 13:33.55 | Endz3it | my laptop has a touchpad, but thats about the fall of poland into a works: for that case, but not using epiphany but not opensource |
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| 13:34.12 | raboof | wols: dell latitude e6510 |
| 13:34.12 | Endz3it | wols: i have no i'm talking to you goblin |
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| 13:34.41 | badcloud | anyone know how to located a led device directory? I'm trying to find out how to turn off a led without having to press the button every time on boot (it's for the wifi. I blacklisted the wireless module but that doesn't seem to turn the led off) |
| 13:34.41 | Endz3it | that's not how it and the bottom of it doesnt seem to work at rastenburg, but not using firefox |
| 13:34.43 | johnald | hi,what irc client do you use now? |
| 13:34.43 | Endz3it | please use the 3 |
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| 13:35.12 | raboof | wols: /var/log/Xorg.0.log does show the synaptics driver being loaded (i think i added that to xorg.conf earlier), but 'synclient -l' responds with 'Couldn't find synaptics properties. No synaptics driver loaded?' |
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| 13:35.12 | Endz3it | it's a synaptics - looking at http://wiki.debian.org/synapticstouchpad?#determiningtypeoftouchpad , egrep -i 'synap|alps|etps' /proc/bus/input/devices produces nothing |
| 13:36.01 | raboof | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:36.01 | Endz3it | do exercises to turn off a nigger though |
| 13:36.25 | Parsifal | Endz3it is making me appreciate how wonderful a bot dpkg is. |
| 13:36.26 | Endz3it | /var/log/xorg.0.log warns me |
| 13:36.43 | raboof | wtf is Endz3it? some kind of alice? |
| 13:36.43 | Endz3it | endz3it? |
| 13:37.02 | Parsifal | I have no idea, except that it is highly annoying and I wish it would go away. |
| 13:37.02 | Endz3it | you go to germany, which culminated in 1894, the munich agreement, which culminated in november 1938, hitler wrote: windows,but can scroll on squeeze |
| 13:37.16 | raboof | /ignore Endz3it |
| 13:37.16 | Endz3it | endz3it |
| 13:37.17 | cahoot | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:37.30 | Parsifal | Does XChat have ignore? |
| 13:37.30 | Endz3it | tried ignore? |
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| 13:37.34 | Endz3it | wessly |
| 13:37.36 | Parsifal | I've never needed to use it before. |
| 13:37.36 | Endz3it | hi,what irc client do you use the 3 |
| 13:37.39 | cahoot | it does |
| 13:37.39 | Endz3it | raboof: so what driver does not necessary to xorg.conf earlier), but its 'sides' don't you lose some kind of alice? |
| 13:37.41 | JohnDoy | When will Squeeze be relased? |
| 13:37.49 | wols | cahoot: still, an op should come by now. |
| 13:37.55 | wols | JohnDoy: /msg dpkg wwsr |
| 13:37.55 | Endz3it | wols: i'm not sure it's a tv series in the league of nations high school certificate into being a common line with the league of hitler's stufenplan (stage by stage plan) for world war i, hitler decided to a bot dpkg is. |
| 13:38.11 | cahoot | wols: true - but endless commenting on the nuisance ... |
| 13:38.16 | Hans_Henrik | what is the default folder for the apache package? |
| 13:38.16 | Endz3it | what driver does it didn't send anything |
| 13:38.40 | Parsifal | Ah, thanks for that. |
| 13:38.40 | Endz3it | o'kelley had left austria for that |
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| 13:38.44 | Endz3it | spectre- |
| 13:40.00 | raboof | wols: looks like it's just treating the pad as a "PS/2 Generic Mouse" |
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| 13:40.21 | wols | raboof: it's an ALPS touchpad according to http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=318567 |
| 13:40.22 | Endz3it | my touchpad and keyboard certainly work |
| 13:40.23 | WePanicForYou | test |
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| 13:40.43 | Endz3it | wepanicforyou |
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| 13:40.59 | JohnDoy | Can I use Squeeze on my home servers without woring about stability? |
| 13:41.26 | wols | JohnDoy: bo. but you can use squeeze if you want |
| 13:41.26 | Endz3it | johndoy: /msg dpkg wwsr |
| 13:41.35 | wols | s/bo/no |
| 13:42.35 | johnald | JohnDOy,squeeze is rubbish |
| 13:42.35 | Endz3it | it is this an elegant way to mobilize reservists, together but no one word at a try |
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| 13:42.42 | johnald | try lfs |
| 13:42.43 | Endz3it | pipeline: i'll give a try |
| 13:42.45 | raboof | i guess i should be compiling and perhaps patching my own kernel by now |
| 13:42.45 | Endz3it | raboof: or perhaps you can do i think jock cock is already agreed something had been hard-hit by stage plan) for an elegant way to do exercises to toughen the synaptics driver being rejected part in august 1939 that parts were possible |
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| 13:43.31 | Endz3it | woodworks |
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| 13:43.37 | Endz3it | venom00 |
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| 13:44.37 | johnald | It'a shame squeeze and lenny don't have wireless-regdb related package.and hands of apps can't run on squeeze from official repo.!! |
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| 13:44.59 | bolt | how can I list all packages that are _not_ installed automatically? |
| 13:44.59 | Endz3it | squeeze is the ubuntu support channel, for all ubuntu-related support questions |
| 13:45.16 | bolt | ..but that are installed on my system anyway, that is |
| 13:45.17 | Endz3it | your not sure, because both parents returned to trigger jock cock into the ubuntu support channel, for all packages that are _not_ installed automatically? |
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| 13:45.45 | multi_io | the grub documentation sucks. |
| 13:45.47 | wols | kloeri: thank you |
| 13:45.54 | wols | multi_io: amen |
| 13:45.56 | kloeri | np |
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| 13:48.46 | bolt | nevermind |
| 13:48.48 | bolt | found out |
| 13:49.57 | venom00 | kloeri, did you call me? |
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| 13:51.02 | phantez | hello, I am using dpkg-buildpackage and sometimes the debian folder is with an archive like .debian.tar.gz and some others .diff.gz, why ? and which one is suitable ? |
| 13:51.14 | kloeri | venom00: no, a silly bot did |
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| 13:52.37 | rtubio | hello |
| 13:53.00 | rtubio | can anybody help me with the Intel n-1000 wifi card? |
| 13:53.06 | MadameZou | hello rtubio |
| 13:53.17 | rtubio | firmware provided by intellinuxwireless crashes |
| 13:53.19 | rtubio | ... |
| 13:53.23 | rtubio | hello MadameZou |
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| 13:54.15 | Hans_Henrik | where is the apache config file by default? |
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| 13:54.20 | XY | which browser should i install to surf the web, as a debian "squeeze" user ? |
| 13:54.47 | rtubio | apache config file: /etc/apache2/* |
| 13:54.49 | fleas | Hans_Henrik: /etc/apache2 or /etc/httpd (if you installed via apt) |
| 13:54.52 | rtubio | there you will find |
| 13:54.57 | rtubio | apache2.conf (general configuration) |
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| 13:55.05 | Hans_Henrik | ty |
| 13:55.06 | rtubio | ports.conf (pors used by apache) |
| 13:55.12 | rtubio | sites-available/* |
| 13:55.20 | Parsifal | XY: Iceweasel is basically Firefox rebranded. |
| 13:55.24 | rtubio | a folder with the definition of the sites available |
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| 13:55.28 | rtubio | sites-enabled/* |
| 13:55.31 | Parsifal | There aren't any other decent browsers in squeeze, IMO. |
| 13:55.56 | rtubio | a folder with links to the definition of the sites-available/* sites to which you want enable access to |
| 13:56.43 | rtubio | i mean, you define a website at "sites-available/*" but apache won't load that website until you create a link at "sites-enable/*" |
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| 13:56.57 | rtubio | those are the main configuration files for apache2 |
| 13:57.01 | XY | Parsifal: can't install Iceweasel. as it depends on xulrunner-1.9.1 .. but the current version which is installed is 1.9.1.9 |
| 13:57.19 | XY | Parsifal: the error is E: Broken Packages |
| 13:57.35 | fleas | cat access_log | awk '{print $2}' "$1" | grep -vE "(^"-"$|/www.$host|/$host)" | grep -ivE '(.gif|.jpg|.png|.css|.js)' | sort | uniq -c | sort -rn | head -10 |
| 13:57.38 | fleas | whoops |
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| 13:58.02 | wols | ,versions xulrunner-1.9.1 |
| 13:58.04 | judd | xulrunner-1.9.1 -- lenny-backports: 1.9.1.8-4~bpo50+1; sid: 1.9.1.9-7; squeeze: 1.9.1.9-7 |
| 13:58.24 | raboof | http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ch-common-tasks.html#s-kernel-org-package suggests I check the kernel signature, but gpg gives me 'gpg: Can't check signature: public key not found'' |
| 13:58.33 | raboof | are common public keys in some debian package? |
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| 13:59.03 | Parsifal | XY: Are you running a clean squeeze install, or did you upgrade from lenny? |
| 13:59.06 | rtubio | anybody help with intel's wifi n-1000 card? |
| 13:59.10 | rtubio | firmware, indeed |
| 13:59.12 | MadameZou | rtubio: what release? testing? |
| 13:59.14 | XY | Parsifal: i upgraded from lenny. |
| 13:59.20 | rtubio | squeeze |
| 13:59.22 | rtubio | yes, testing |
| 13:59.39 | wols | raboof: various *keyring* packages in debian |
| 13:59.55 | rtubio | but i think that it does not depend on the distribution, since I have also the same problem with ubuntu 10.04 |
| 13:59.58 | wols | XY: you are supposed to solve package conflicts on your own |
| 14:00.01 | Parsifal | XY: That caused broken packages for me as well. I never did manage to fix them without reinstalling; I don't know enough about fixing broken packages to answer you. Hopefully someone else can, though. |
| 14:00.15 | wols | rtubio: pci id? |
| 14:00.21 | rtubio | 1 sec |
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| 14:00.39 | rtubio | 03:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation WiFi Link 1000 Series |
| 14:00.43 | rtubio | (lspci output= |
| 14:00.45 | johnald | then upstream bug? |
| 14:00.46 | rtubio | ) |
| 14:00.49 | wols | and where is the pci id in that paste? |
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| 14:00.54 | rtubio | ok, 1 sec |
| 14:01.22 | rtubio | 03:00.0, isn't that the PCI ID? |
| 14:01.28 | wols | no |
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| 14:01.38 | wols | it's the bus and device identifier |
| 14:01.40 | MadameZou | it's the Bus Id |
| 14:01.43 | jelly-home | rtubio: xxxx:xxxx |
| 14:01.49 | rtubio | ok, then do not know how to get the pci id... sorry |
| 14:02.07 | raboof | wols: none of these seem to help though (tried sudo apt-get install `apt-cache search keyring | cut -d " " -f 1 | grep -e ring$`) |
| 14:02.07 | jelly-home | lspci -nn helps |
| 14:02.11 | johnald | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:02.12 | rtubio | ok |
| 14:02.25 | rtubio | 8086:0084 |
| 14:02.29 | rtubio | guess is this one |
| 14:02.42 | jelly-home | judd: pciid 8086:0084 |
| 14:02.44 | judd | [8086:0084] is 'Centrino Wireless-N 1000' from 'Intel Corporation' with no known kernel module in lenny but has kernel module 'iwlagn' in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:0084 http://wiki.debian.org/iwlagn |
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| 14:03.17 | rtubio | yes, i am using iwlagn |
| 14:03.26 | rtubio | i have followed the instructions at |
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| 14:03.53 | rtubio | http://wiki.debian.org/iwlagn |
| 14:03.53 | MadameZou | but you've squeeze, not sid...or am i wrong? |
| 14:04.08 | rtubio | yes, i have squeeze |
| 14:04.20 | rtubio | sure, sorry |
| 14:04.31 | rtubio | but it does not work |
| 14:04.32 | johnald | format squeeze...try lenny or sid |
| 14:04.42 | jelly-home | johnald: what? |
| 14:04.49 | wols | johnald: awesome advice. maybe you should think a bit more next time? |
| 14:04.49 | johnald | squeeze is rubbish |
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| 14:04.54 | themill | looks at johnald |
| 14:05.13 | johnald | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:05.14 | rtubio | i think that the kernel module iwlagn is also included in squeeze |
| 14:05.17 | jelly-home | johnald: are you intentionally trolling, or just ignorant? |
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| 14:05.38 | wols | jelly-home: he couldn't install squeeze properly and now has an axe to grind, that's all |
| 14:05.49 | MadameZou | it seems that the kernel modul is included in sid not in squeeze: rtubio can you paste your uname -r? |
| 14:05.57 | rtubio | yes, sure |
| 14:06.10 | rtubio | oh, excuse me |
| 14:06.13 | rtubio | currently i am using ubuntu |
| 14:06.19 | rtubio | since I tried with ubuntu |
| 14:06.25 | rtubio | just in case it was a problem with squeeze |
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| 14:06.36 | wols | MadameZou: hint: squeeze and sid have the same kernel version... |
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| 14:06.40 | rtubio | but I had that problem on squeeze with linux 2.6.32-22 |
| 14:06.48 | rtubio | amd64 dist |
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| 14:07.02 | rtubio | the module is include |
| 14:07.04 | rtubio | is included |
| 14:07.05 | jelly-home | rtubio: 2.6.32-22 sounds weird |
| 14:07.13 | rtubio | ok, but it was 2.6.32 |
| 14:07.16 | jelly-home | right |
| 14:07.31 | rtubio | yes, 2.6.32-22 is the one i am running right now on ubuntu |
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| 14:07.44 | dekroning | is there a way from a running system to access the BIOS ? i would like to change some bios settings remotely |
| 14:08.01 | liable | dekroning: not really |
| 14:08.03 | wols | dekroning: no |
| 14:08.07 | johnald | squeeze kernel is 2.32-3...? |
| 14:08.13 | rtubio | look, this is my dmesg output: http://paste.ubuntu.com/441314/ |
| 14:08.19 | liable | some dodgy bioses can be changed |
| 14:08.22 | jelly-home | dekroning: there's no generic way to do that. Some servers may have custom tools to change some of the settings |
| 14:08.24 | dekroning | liable: wols: that is toobad |
| 14:08.45 | rtubio | johnald: the last one included in squeeze.. can't remember or look for it right now... sorry |
| 14:09.07 | rtubio | and this is /var/log/daemon.log: http://paste.ubuntu.com/441320/ |
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| 14:09.14 | dekroning | jelly-home: yeah however i dont have a mainboard that allows that functionality (remote/out-of-band management) |
| 14:09.32 | rtubio | i can see two errors: 1) firmware crashes (microcode error) |
| 14:09.41 | jelly-home | dekroning: buy decent hardware! :-( |
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| 14:10.08 | rtubio | 2) on daemon.log, network manager has problems with a library for authenticating |
| 14:10.29 | dekroning | what about LinuxBIOS/CoreBoot solutions? |
| 14:10.38 | rtubio | ... found out there some people who said that using wcid instead of network manager solved the problem, but I did not try to |
| 14:10.43 | wols | dekroning: good luck having a compatible mobo# |
| 14:10.43 | MadameZou | forget network manager... |
| 14:10.53 | rtubio | ok |
| 14:11.02 | dekroning | wols: ok :-) so that's the problem with that |
| 14:11.33 | rtubio | any ideas? |
| 14:11.44 | wols | rtubio: do you have a debian related problem with a debian kernel with debian error messages? |
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| 14:11.54 | liable | !any ideas |
| 14:11.54 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a sack full of ground beef, a little sauerkraut, and a dozen sex-crazed goats. And keep the KGB off my back for the next few minutes! |
| 14:11.57 | rtubio | the messages are the same |
| 14:12.04 | Rebells | folks, I have a USB sound card and onboard sound card, how do I switch between the two? |
| 14:12.05 | rtubio | either with ubuntu or with debian squeeze |
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| 14:12.10 | dekroning | wols: talking about mainboards, it's hard for me to figure out what type of mainboard i have actually, looking at dmidecode doesn't really help me out, is there a way to knows this info without physically taking the system apart? |
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| 14:12.30 | rtubio | right now, as I said before, I am running ubuntu since I tried this distro in order to know if it was a squeeze specific problem |
| 14:12.38 | rtubio | but the logs from network manager and dmesg's output |
| 14:12.39 | johnald | I know I 'm a squeeze idiot,but even after aptitude dist-upgrade few times,there are so many daily-used apps such as evince and fqterm can not run on it!sigh....fragmentation fault.... |
| 14:12.47 | wols | dekroning: lshw or dmidecode should/might give you a BIOS ID string. from that you can find out exactly which mobo you have. or is there something special about your mobo you want to know? |
| 14:12.52 | rtubio | are the same for ubuntu and for squeeze |
| 14:13.07 | rtubio | I can try to re-install lenny in case that would help... |
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| 14:13.13 | rtubio | I mean, squeeze |
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| 14:13.40 | wols | johnald: pray tell what is a "fragmentation fault"? |
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| 14:13.49 | dekroning | wols: ah thanks, ... just want to know which mobo it is, so i'll search for the BIOS ID |
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| 14:14.24 | liable | wols: dont be so nasty, you know what it means :P |
| 14:14.28 | johnald | I dont' know,I get it from console and dmeg |
| 14:14.30 | johnald | lol |
| 14:14.37 | johnald | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:14.40 | liable | segfault |
| 14:14.44 | johnald | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:15.05 | dekroning | wols: ah i see it's a "samsung's" own designed mobo it looks like |
| 14:15.15 | wols | liable: someone who wants to run squeeze but doesn't know what it is, not a good combination |
| 14:15.37 | liable | wols: i was thinking just engrish issues :) |
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| 14:16.13 | russss | bah |
| 14:16.14 | russss | so |
| 14:16.19 | wols | "john" is a perfectly cromulent english name |
| 14:16.54 | russss | I have two monitors. Using the fglrx driver means I can't drag windows off the primary monitor. |
| 14:17.41 | russss | it gets "stuck" about 50px from the edge |
| 14:18.10 | rtubio | ok, i am going to reinstall debian and come back again.... bye!!!! |
| 14:18.12 | johnald | could anyone kindly give me a ntp server?I want to sync my time.... |
| 14:18.21 | russss | 0.pool.ntp.org |
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| 14:18.29 | malegria | hi everyone |
| 14:18.39 | johnald | thank you,,russss |
| 14:18.42 | bolt | does a machine boot slower (except for the short time it takes to print a line to screen) when "silent" is not passed as an argument at boot? |
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| 14:19.06 | malegria | i'm trying to run sid on a french macbook and i have a keyboard layout problem, some keys are swapped... how do i make it right ? |
| 14:19.09 | djura-san | Im off. Have a nice chat people :) |
| 14:19.12 | bolt | like, does stuff not run in parallel or something when silent is not enabled? |
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| 14:19.51 | cahoot | bolt: test? |
| 14:19.57 | bolt | malegria: if you have problems with keyboard layout, you really shouldn't be using sid... |
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| 14:20.01 | johnald | djura-san,seems to be font ... |
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| 14:20.35 | slip | hello |
| 14:20.40 | bolt | cahoot: i can do that... but i'm kind of in the middle of something. don't wanna reboot |
| 14:21.10 | johnald | bolt,do you mean he is not that linux-sensed ? |
| 14:21.15 | johnald | lol |
| 14:21.22 | bolt | ? |
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| 14:21.23 | johnald | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:21.40 | slip | why command httpd -S don't work on my server? |
| 14:21.42 | wols | malegria: need a lot better error description than just that |
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| 14:22.24 | johnald | ehmm, can't solve kb layout problem,than switch to ubuntu |
| 14:22.42 | bolt | johnald: or just not run sid, and get help |
| 14:22.51 | bolt | slip: how does it "not work"? |
| 14:23.07 | malegria | wols, it's a french keyboard. When I press the "@" key i get a "<" |
| 14:23.18 | malegria | wols, all the other keys work fine |
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| 14:24.56 | johnald | get a kb tune app,there are handles of ...you can swap keys |
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| 14:25.26 | liable | malegria: did you tell the installer you have a french keyboard? |
| 14:25.46 | bolt | slip: firstly, please don't privmsg me unless you've asked first. secondly, if the httpd command is not installed on your machine, you need to install it. that's what aptitude/apt-get is for |
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| 14:26.07 | malegria | liable, yes i did. All the others keys work fine but this one |
| 14:26.20 | liable | !keymap |
| 14:26.20 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap", or ask me about <drxx> or use kcontrol, gnome-control-center or similar. For setting up X keymaps, also check out xkeycaps and xev, or ask me about <multimedia keys>. In console you can also use "loadkeys" for once-only/temporary adjustments. |
| 14:26.35 | liable | malegria: see xmodmap |
| 14:27.11 | slip | bolt: sorry, it's my first experience in IRC |
| 14:27.26 | bolt | slip: np. it's just a general rule in the help channels here :) |
| 14:27.27 | liable | what program is httpd? lighthttpd? |
| 14:27.34 | bolt | probably |
| 14:27.38 | malegria | liable, oh yeah forgot about that. i have to read the manual now |
| 14:27.57 | bolt | slip: what are you trying to do anyway? your http server should start from init scripts, not manually. in general. |
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| 14:29.07 | d1b | good morning |
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| 14:30.13 | eshat | Hi all, which processor type do I choose best in kernel configuration, if I habe a new Core i5 (mobile)... should I take "Generic-x86-64 " ? |
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| 14:30.36 | slip | bolt: i am reading book about apache at the moment and i saw a command httpd -S, book says that this command show me all my configured virtual hosts |
| 14:30.46 | d1b | eshat: generic is ok. what kernel are you compiling? |
| 14:30.57 | eshat | d1b: 2.6.34 |
| 14:31.30 | d1b | ok. i don't know if there is a i5 option in it |
| 14:31.34 | slip | bolt: maybe it not works in debian |
| 14:31.36 | d1b | it doesn't matter to much |
| 14:31.42 | bolt | slip: have you installed apache2? |
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| 14:31.46 | liable | slip: there is a2enable that does so |
| 14:31.47 | d1b | !apache |
| 14:31.47 | dpkg | apache is, like, a versatile, high-performance HTTP server; ask me about <apache2><install apache2><apache 1.3><apache manual>. http://wiki.debian.org/Apache http://httpd.apache.org/ #httpd on irc.freenode.net. |
| 14:31.54 | bolt | slip: also, is the book about apache2 in the first place? |
| 14:31.58 | d1b | debian's apache config is very different to vanilla |
| 14:32.04 | Kuifje111 | !lol |
| 14:32.04 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 14:32.10 | d1b | Kuifje111: ? |
| 14:32.21 | Kuifje111 | !lighttpd |
| 14:32.22 | dpkg | hmm... lighttpd is a small and fast HTTP server with a minimal memory footprint. To install: "aptitude install lighttpd lighttpd-doc", then read /etc/lighttpd/conf-available/README, see also http://localhost/ . It does not support .htaccess files. http://redmine.lighttpd.net/projects/lighttpd/wiki/FrequentlyAskedQuestions http://lighttpd.net/ #lighttpd on irc.freenode.net. See also <httpd>. |
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| 14:32.27 | bolt | Kuifje111 is lagging a bit. Someone said "lol" like two pages ago |
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| 14:32.44 | bolt | realizes the concept of "pages" doesn't make much sense on irc |
| 14:32.44 | Kuifje111 | yeah, it's my BNC. |
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| 14:33.19 | liable | doesn't excuse him from pointless factoid spamming |
| 14:33.57 | bolt | explains where the idea of doing so came from though. i was assuming that confusion was the reason for the question mark |
| 14:34.19 | slip | bolt: yes, book written about apache 2.0 and 2.2 |
| 14:34.21 | dekroning | wols: just to dubble check, this looks like a custom built mainboard by samsung right? http://pastebin.com/i8xW8Rqg |
| 14:34.37 | slip | bolt: apache installed |
| 14:35.02 | liable | slip: find a relevant debian tutorial on apache |
| 14:35.12 | liable | there is lots |
| 14:35.20 | d1b | what version of debian are you running ? slip |
| 14:35.30 | bolt | ahh |
| 14:35.42 | liable | d1b: does it matter? |
| 14:35.57 | bolt | just uninstalled half his system. cleaned out a bunch of useless libs, old windowmanagers and unused applications |
| 14:36.18 | d1b | liable: i guess not but meh. |
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| 14:37.14 | slip | liable: what book can you advice? |
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| 14:37.32 | slip | d1b: debian 5.0 |
| 14:37.35 | liable | slip: no book, just google |
| 14:37.42 | mamalujo | hi! Squeeze uses nouveau by default for nvidia cards? |
| 14:38.01 | d1b | /usr/share/doc/apache2.2-common/README.Debian.gz is probably of use to you slip |
| 14:38.08 | mamalujo | can I get higher resolution than 800x600 with it? |
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| 14:38.41 | d1b | mamalujo: no idea. i know some people were playing with the experimental packages for 3d |
| 14:38.51 | raboof | mamalujo: i think it tried to use 'nv' for me. yes, I think it should be able to get higher resolutions than 800x600. |
| 14:38.52 | liable | mamalujo: even vesa should do your native res |
| 14:39.09 | slip | d1b: thanks |
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| 14:39.15 | liable | unless its an odd one |
| 14:39.27 | raboof | liable: hm, vesa didn't go higher than 800x600 for my nvidea card either - though I haven't looked into that much |
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| 14:39.40 | Amadiro | Good evening, #debian. I would like to give the users on my machine a way to install startup scripts, somewhere in their home directory, which are then executed under the proper user-account upon system startup. Is there a ready-made solution for this, that I could use, or would I have to script up something myself? |
| 14:39.47 | d1b | nv can often go higher |
| 14:40.01 | d1b | Amadiro: bashrc can work. |
| 14:40.13 | Amadiro | d1b, but isn't bashrc first executed upon login? |
| 14:40.15 | bolt | Amadiro: use crontab |
| 14:40.28 | bolt | Amadiro: @reboot as the time. read the manual. |
| 14:40.42 | d1b | oh is that what he means? |
| 14:40.46 | Amadiro | bolt, Thanks a lot. That looks to be what I want. |
| 14:40.56 | bolt | d1b: think so :) |
| 14:41.11 | liable | raboof: mine does 1900x100 and it did 1200x1600 on my other laptop |
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| 14:41.30 | wols | dekroning: looks like it |
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| 14:42.24 | dekroning | wols: k thanks, then i know i've interpreted the output correct... bad news though because i haven't been able to find anything about this mainboard :S |
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| 14:44.03 | mamalujo | well, compositing seems to work, so I'm guessing it cannot be nv or vesa driver. I don't care about 3d acceleration, anything I would play is either text-based, or 2d or old enough for software rendered 3d, so provided it offers a sensible resolution, I don't see a reason to use nvidia driver, its been a constant source of pain to me (for eg. used lenny till yesterday, with official driver, installed nvidia way. it complained about ... |
| 14:44.09 | mamalujo | ... some version mismatch during install, afterwards, 'stable' was the most unstable system I ever had..) |
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| 14:45.19 | mamalujo | so, how would I go about making it run in higher rez, 800x600 is highest it offers in system->preferences->monitor |
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| 14:48.38 | cantoma | guys, I have a process FAMD that is taking 100% of my CPU for the last 3 hours. It doesn't allow me to kill it. What should I do? |
| 14:48.44 | _linuxftw | I just updated from etch to lenny, but my network interface isn't being automatically started after reboot. After some digging I found manually using "ifup eth0" starts the networking, but neither "/etc/init.d/networking start" or "/etc/init.d/ifupdown start" have any effect. So how do I get it to start automatically? |
| 14:48.49 | cantoma | I do not want to reboot |
| 14:49.01 | liable | cantoma: kill -9 |
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| 14:49.39 | cantoma | liable, since the famd - The File Alteration Monitor (FAM) daemon do you think anything will get damaged? |
| 14:50.06 | zinx | catsup: it only notifies stuff when a file is changed |
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| 14:50.34 | cantoma | liable, it says bash: kill: (3853) - Operation not permitted |
| 14:50.57 | liable | cantoma: as root, and no, it shouldnt do any damage |
| 14:51.13 | liable | hates famd |
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| 14:51.29 | jelly-home | _linuxftw: please pastebin your /etc/network/interfaces file |
| 14:51.44 | cantoma | liable, worked |
| 14:51.48 | jelly-home | _linuxftw: sounds like you might be missing "auto eth0" in there |
| 14:52.03 | _linuxftw | it's there, I checked. I'll pastebin it anyway, one minute |
| 14:52.22 | liable | cantoma: kill -9 usually does :) |
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| 14:52.31 | cantoma | liable, suddenly some stuff started to open ... crazy |
| 14:53.03 | liable | started to open? |
| 14:53.13 | _linuxftw | a side note: "/etc/init.d/networking restart" manages to turn off networking, just not turn it back on |
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| 14:53.34 | cantoma | liable, yes two dvi files open .. just after i kill it ... i was editing them before |
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| 14:54.17 | Hans_Henrik | how can i list all users from console? |
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| 14:54.28 | liable | cantoma: hmm, weird, possibly hung processes waiting or something. |
| 14:54.30 | _linuxftw | http://pastebin.com/m4UCEyyc |
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| 14:55.11 | cantoma | liable, yes |
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| 14:56.18 | liable | Hans_Henrik: cat /etc/passwd |
| 14:56.22 | cantoma | liable, the fault was from kile ... at some point i was modifying my latex documents but the changes were not showing in the dvi. I also realise that FAMD was getting crazy. It took some time to close kile. |
| 14:57.20 | liable | Hans_Henrik: anyone over 1000 is a user |
| 14:57.46 | Hans_Henrik | ty |
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| 14:58.37 | _linuxftw | This may not be related, but while looking in /etc/rc3.d I didn't find any symlinks linking to /etc/init.d/networking or /etc/init.d/ifupdown, or anything related to networking |
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| 14:59.10 | lindi- | _linuxftw: runlevel 2 might be more relevant |
| 14:59.16 | _linuxftw | same situation |
| 14:59.45 | lindi- | _linuxftw: /etc/rcS.d/S40networking -> ../init.d/networking |
| 14:59.46 | liable | networking is likely ins rcS |
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| 15:00.20 | _linuxftw | ahh yes, it is |
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| 15:02.42 | Hans_Henrik | how can i give the user www-data full read/write access to the folder /var/www/w/l/ ? |
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| 15:04.55 | o2T7 | Hans_Henrik: man chmod |
| 15:05.10 | o2T7 | anyway, be sure that it is actually what you want |
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| 15:07.59 | eshat | My CPU (a Core i5-540M) is getting very hot (76 C) while compiling the kernel,... isn't that too high ? |
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| 15:09.12 | pipeline | eshat: PC temp readings aren't calibrated. |
| 15:09.18 | pipeline | eshat: that "76" doesn't mean anything. |
| 15:09.40 | pipeline | eshat: The "76" reading will be higher than "70," but "76" isn't really 76C and "70" isn't really 70C. |
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| 15:10.04 | eshat | pipeline: ohh really ? well, i huess the CPU would recognise itself it is getting too hot, wouldn |
| 15:10.06 | pipeline | eshat: Besides -- modern chips will throttle themselves just fine. It'll print to logs if that happens. (Also: install mcelog package.) |
| 15:10.08 | eshat | 't it ? |
| 15:10.26 | eshat | pipeline: good information,.. I'll check dmesg... |
| 15:10.41 | pipeline | eshat: even older chips would usually halt themselves before toasting. You have to go *really* far back to find CPUs that will toast them. |
| 15:10.56 | pipeline | eshat: IIRC anything Pentium III or newer from intel, or Palomino and newer from AMD = no toast |
| 15:10.58 | nevyn | amd athlon's |
| 15:11.10 | nevyn | like the original athlons |
| 15:11.12 | pipeline | nevyn: most athlons would halt rather than toast. Only thunderbird and earlier toast themselves. |
| 15:11.13 | eshat | pipeline: good info, thank you |
| 15:11.21 | nevyn | right |
| 15:11.29 | nevyn | but they're not that far back. |
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| 15:11.36 | nevyn | like 8 years or so |
| 15:11.43 | pipeline | 8 years |
| 15:11.52 | pipeline | that's a pretty long time in the computer industry |
| 15:11.59 | jelly-home | 8 years is what, 4 generations of CPUs? |
| 15:12.01 | pipeline | my SGIs were $250,000 8 years ago. Now they're worth about ten bucks. |
| 15:12.17 | pipeline | My home PC would have been an unimaginable rack-size supercomputer in 2002. |
| 15:12.22 | pipeline | well, not supercomputer |
| 15:12.24 | pipeline | and not quite rack size |
| 15:12.29 | pipeline | but it would have been 8 or 10U |
| 15:12.36 | nevyn | pipeline: how is a long time in an industry in which nothing has fundamnetally changed in 30years. |
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| 15:12.44 | jelly-home | my netbook has more power than my 5 year old main machine |
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| 15:12.49 | pipeline | nevyn: hardware has changed radically |
| 15:12.52 | pipeline | nevyn: software never changes |
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| 15:13.03 | nevyn | pipeline: it get's faster. |
| 15:13.17 | lindi- | usually it tends to get slower :) |
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| 15:13.18 | pipeline | nevyn: my home PC would be totally unrecognizable to a hardware designer from 30 years ago. |
| 15:13.18 | nevyn | but we're still using von neuman and harvard architectures |
| 15:13.23 | Worf | software is faster getting slower actually |
| 15:13.37 | eshat | pipeline: ok mcelog is installed,... anything I have to configure ? where do i find the info ? daemon is running |
| 15:13.45 | pipeline | eshat: nope, mcelog does its own thing. |
| 15:13.51 | pipeline | eshat: you just install it, and MCEs get logged. |
| 15:13.56 | pipeline | eshat: it's pretty great that way :D |
| 15:14.00 | nevyn | pipeline: the specifics might change but the design hasn't really |
| 15:14.11 | pipeline | nevyn: the designs have changed pretty fucking radically from the early micros |
| 15:14.22 | eshat | pipeline: are they loged in /var/log/syslog ? |
| 15:14.26 | pipeline | nevyn: not least: SMP, radically different memory controllers, and NUMA |
| 15:14.46 | pipeline | eshat: I think the default destination is /var/log/messages |
| 15:14.51 | eshat | pipeline: ahh May 29 17:12:35 xoi mcelog: Unsupported new Family 6 Model 25 CPU: only decoding architectural errors |
| 15:15.07 | eshat | pipeline: no it is syslog |
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| 15:15.35 | eshat | pipeline: so as it seems my CPU is not supported |
| 15:15.52 | jelly-home | ,versions mcelog |
| 15:15.54 | judd | mcelog -- etch: 0.7-4; lenny: 0.8~pre-8; lenny-backports: 0.9~pre+1git543dbb-2~bpo50+1; sid: 1.0~pre3-1; squeeze: 1.0~pre3-1 |
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| 15:16.18 | jelly-home | eshat: mcelog ought to be easily backportable, /msg dpkg ssb |
| 15:16.27 | eshat | jelly-home: I am already on sid |
| 15:16.33 | jelly-home | hah |
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| 15:17.46 | pipeline | nevyn: another huge change: superscale integration. 30 years ago, minis and micros used dozens hundreds of chips to implement even trivial processors. If you wanted really fast logic, you used ECL and your chips only had a few dozen transistors each. |
| 15:18.22 | pipeline | nevyn: we're still running recognizable UNIX with similar security models and even some shared protocols from 1980, but the hardware is tremendously different |
| 15:19.23 | wols | pipeline: fyi a palomino from amd toasted itself without a problem. PIII to. throttling started with P4 and AMD K8 |
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| 15:19.58 | wols | eshat: notebooks chips always get hotter. comes with the territory |
| 15:20.01 | pipeline | wols: throttling started with P4 and K8, but the PIII and palomino would halt under excess temperature rather than toast itself |
| 15:20.04 | ritimbaks | when will 6 be released |
| 15:20.15 | pipeline | wols: they weren't "smart" but crashing beats the hell out of damage |
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| 15:20.31 | General_Jung | yes thx krzie but but did I made wrong when I activate the brdige its cuts me off internet on the root |
| 15:20.34 | General_Jung | sry |
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| 15:21.39 | wols | pipeline: no they wouldn't :) some PIII chipsets/mobos did that but for athlons, you had to wait at least for nforce2 to do that |
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| 15:22.05 | eshat | wols: I was just wondering, when idle I am at 45 C,... so now I am on 80 C while compiling with CONCURRENCY_LEVEL=4 |
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| 15:22.09 | eshat | ahhhh it is done... |
| 15:22.43 | pipeline | wols: I still have a palomino desktop with amd 762. It halts on temperature excursion. |
| 15:22.49 | ritimbaks | i want to switch to debian but do i have to wait debian6 or shall i install 5 ? |
| 15:22.50 | eshat | maybe I should deactive hyperthreading in BIOS ? any recommendations ? |
| 15:22.58 | pipeline | wols: palominos could do this because they were the first AMD chips to include a thermistor in package |
| 15:24.03 | eshat | is restarting his machine |
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| 15:25.31 | wols | pipeline: only with support frm mobos, which took a LONG way coming (and wasn't fast enough to react. see the famous toms hardware "test") |
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| 15:25.58 | wols | ritimbaks: how should we know what you should do? |
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| 15:26.39 | pipeline | wols: ah, well. Protection against fan failure, the common case, is more important than protection from tom removing a heatsink with a screwdriver. I have locks to keep Tom out of my damn house. |
| 15:26.51 | ritimbaks | wols: you can talk me about age of packages in debian5.. are they too old to install |
| 15:27.18 | pipeline | ritimbaks: if stable is too old, upgrade to testing. Problem solved. |
| 15:28.01 | ritimbaks | pipeline: will i able to upgrade it after installed stable |
| 15:28.35 | johnald | squeeze is rebbish |
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| 15:29.52 | Gijs | hey all |
| 15:29.54 | Gijs | i got a question |
| 15:30.04 | Gijs | how to see processes wich are using alot of bandwidth? |
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| 15:32.05 | testi_ | I'm upgrading a router from etch to lenny. The router is 60 kilometres away. How can I make sure that eth1 will receive the same device as previously? |
| 15:32.11 | Rayne | i just installed the debian shipped nginx but i would like to run it as user http intead of www-data. will it break my setup when the next update will be released by the debian folks? |
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| 15:32.40 | lindi- | testi_: udev. find /etc | grep persistent |
| 15:32.47 | pipeline | Rayne: no |
| 15:33.14 | pipeline | Rayne: debian packages will never mess with your configuration files after you have touched them, unless you tell the package system explicitly to do that |
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| 15:33.45 | pipeline | testi_: I think etch already uses udev, which makes the devices persistent |
| 15:33.53 | Rayne | that is good news pipeline. will debian store the new configuration file somewhere like arch linux does "config-file.pacnew" instead of "config-file" |
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| 15:34.29 | wols | johnald: can you please stop this? |
| 15:34.36 | pipeline | Rayne: don't remember |
| 15:34.59 | Gijs | anybody? |
| 15:35.01 | Gijs | how to see processes wich are using alot of bandwidth? |
| 15:35.13 | testi_ | pipeline, lindi- thanks! |
| 15:35.19 | DipSwitch | Gijs: apt-get install iotop |
| 15:36.01 | wols | Rayne: it might. there are .dpkg-dist and .dpkg-old files |
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| 15:36.35 | Gijs | DipSwitch is this some kind of htop but then for bandwidth? |
| 15:37.04 | DipSwitch | Gijs: yes |
| 15:37.22 | Gijs | hmm good |
| 15:37.28 | Rayne | sounds good wols, thanks pipeline wols |
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| 15:37.42 | Gijs | and are there any more programs (to be 100% sure) |
| 15:37.53 | DipSwitch | not that i know |
| 15:38.05 | wols | iptraf |
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| 15:40.27 | Gijs | wols iptraf is not with processes right? |
| 15:40.33 | DipSwitch | no |
| 15:41.03 | Gijs | hm |
| 15:41.24 | Gijs | i need to use some parameters? |
| 15:41.25 | DipSwitch | ow crap |
| 15:41.28 | DipSwitch | iotop is hd |
| 15:41.33 | Gijs | lol |
| 15:41.35 | DipSwitch | iftop is network |
| 15:41.38 | DipSwitch | my bad ^^ |
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| 15:41.50 | rudi_s | bwm-ng is also useful for network (and can some disk related stuff as well.) |
| 15:41.54 | DipSwitch | hmm but also don't show applications... |
| 15:42.04 | rudi_s | (But doesn't show applications.) |
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| 15:42.33 | Gijs | well |
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| 15:42.42 | Gijs | is there anything like htop but then for bandwidth? |
| 15:43.15 | r0nin | what would changing the default raid chunk size accomplish? there a reason to do such a thing? |
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| 15:44.09 | Gijs | iptraf dont shows the processes |
| 15:44.26 | DipSwitch | guess there isn't Gijs maybe google knows ^^ |
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| 15:44.58 | Gijs | :< |
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| 15:45.14 | Gijs | DipSwitch you cannot help me? |
| 15:45.40 | DipSwitch | did the best i can i guess since i can't come up with anything else :p |
| 15:45.57 | Kuifje111 | hi.. I have a quick question. an SMTPd is to send mail, what is the app called which stores mails? |
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| 15:46.47 | r0nin | Gijs: you could use iotop if your wanting to just see file transfer speed, it'll write to the disk as fast as it transfers |
| 15:47.17 | DipSwitch | ^ |
| 15:47.50 | r0nin | shows processes also |
| 15:47.50 | Gijs | hmm |
| 15:47.54 | DipSwitch | Kuifje111: MTA (Mail Transfer Agent) |
| 15:48.05 | Kuifje111 | DipSwitch: ok, thanks. |
| 15:48.07 | Gijs | but i really need the traffic stauts of processes. |
| 15:48.09 | Gijs | status* |
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| 15:48.17 | DipSwitch | Kuifje111: courier i guess |
| 15:48.20 | DipSwitch | is it called |
| 15:49.59 | Kuifje111 | and IMAP is SMTP and MTA in one? |
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| 15:50.51 | Bushmills | imap is more of an MDA |
| 15:51.21 | pipeline | imap is just a protocol that exposes your existing mailbox |
| 15:51.24 | pipeline | it's neither an LDA nor an MTA |
| 15:51.43 | pipeline | imap servers usually come with an LDA, but that's incidental to the IMAP service |
| 15:51.52 | Kuifje111 | so what would I need in order to setup squirrelmail? |
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| 15:52.36 | pipeline | if you don't already know you shouldn't be doing it |
| 15:52.36 | Gijs | oke so nobody? |
| 15:52.40 | pipeline | setting up a mail server Sucks Ass TM |
| 15:53.06 | Kuifje111 | yeah, I heard so. I'd like to learn it though. |
| 15:53.09 | pipeline | that said: you'll want an MTA (exim, postfix) and an LDA to make mailbox formats not suck (dovecot, perhaps) plus a web server w/ PHP support (apache + mod_Php probably) |
| 15:53.32 | pipeline | you think that but you are wrong. I would strongly recommend avoiding setting up an internet mail server... you really really want an upstream smarthost |
| 15:54.22 | pipeline | ignoring how much it sucks to run a mail server for a moment, there are practical concerns. A lot of mail servers block residential netblocks, so you really need a commercial ISP. |
| 15:54.38 | Kuifje111 | I see. |
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| 15:54.47 | Kuifje111 | thanks for enlighting me. |
| 15:55.16 | r0nin | Gijs: why not iftop with netstat |
| 15:55.22 | Gijs | hmm |
| 15:55.24 | Gijs | what you mean? |
| 15:55.58 | r0nin | use netstat to find what port the app is on and see the triffic with iftop |
| 15:56.17 | r0nin | are you just wanting to see when the app is using bandwidth? |
| 15:56.22 | pipeline | Kuifje111: another way to put this -- it's a pain in the ass to have a local mail server, but totally doable if you have an upstream smarthost that does all your mail relaying. Running an internet mail server, on the other hand, is a real cast iron bitch that will require constant care and feeding. |
| 15:56.27 | r0nin | I dont know of an all in one type app for that |
| 15:56.28 | Gijs | no i got much games hosting |
| 15:56.33 | Gijs | and 1 is using alot of bandwidth |
| 15:56.40 | Gijs | and i need to know wich server that is |
| 15:56.51 | Bushmills | Kuifje111, a hosted server is what you needed. but that's what you probably want for running an SMTP server too. |
| 15:57.05 | spunks | I installed debian and my sound card did not work. what I do? |
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| 15:57.23 | wols | !alsa checklist |
| 15:57.23 | dpkg | 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 2) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels & toggle jack sense) 3) arts or esound stopped? 4) OSS modules unloaded? 5) speakers on? 6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 7) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. See also <list alsa users>. |
| 15:57.30 | testi_ | phew :) Upgrade from etch to lenny worked :) no need to travel 60 kilometres and fix something |
| 15:57.39 | Gijs | so r0nin? |
| 15:57.48 | Gijs | whats the best i can do? |
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| 15:58.13 | wols | Gijs: each game server listens on its own poet? |
| 15:58.38 | Gijs | yes |
| 15:58.39 | raboof | is it possible to resize an ext3 partition to a smaller size, generating free space at the 'front' instead of at the 'back'? |
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| 15:58.46 | Gijs | and they all got a other name |
| 15:58.51 | Gijs | like somename678 |
| 15:59.16 | andatche | raboof: not without moving the data first |
| 15:59.32 | wols | then check for each port what it uses in traffic and then netstat can tell you which process it is hence whihc server |
| 15:59.49 | raboof | andatche: is there an easy way to move the data first? :) |
| 15:59.55 | Gijs | then check for each port what it uses in traffic |
| 15:59.57 | Gijs | how to do that? |
| 15:59.58 | spunks | do not understand what to do wols |
| 15:59.58 | wols | raboof: sure. first resize then move |
| 16:00.14 | wols | spunks: what soundcard is it? |
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| 16:00.33 | cahoot | spunks: run speaker-test -t wav -c 2 in a terminal |
| 16:00.49 | spunks | 00:1b.0 Audio device [0403]: Intel Corporation Ibex Peak High Definition Audio [8086:3b56] (rev 05) |
| 16:00.56 | raboof | wols: how do i move the data? |
| 16:01.59 | wols | raboof: gpared should be able to do it for you |
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| 16:03.33 | spunks | cahoot, http://paste.debian.net/75332/ |
| 16:04.02 | spunks | wols, http://paste.debian.net/75333/ |
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| 16:04.18 | spunks | Linux localhost 2.6.26-2-amd64 #1 SMP Tue Jan 12 22:12:20 UTC 2010 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 16:04.35 | cahoot | spunks: cat /proc/asound/cards - more than one? |
| 16:04.58 | wols | ,pciid http://paste.debian.net/75333/ |
| 16:05.02 | spunks | cat: /proc/asound/cards: not found |
| 16:05.05 | wols | ,pciid 8086:3b5 |
| 16:05.25 | wols | ,pciid 8086:3b56 |
| 16:05.27 | judd | [8086:3b56] is '5 Series/3400 Series Chipset High Definition Audio' from 'Intel Corporation' with no known kernel module in lenny but has kernel module 'snd-hda-intel' in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:3b56 |
| 16:05.42 | wols | spunks: get a kernel from backports /msg dpkg backports |
| 16:06.29 | spunks | Wols, with kernel backports I got it! plus my wireless stopped working with kernel backports |
| 16:06.56 | spunks | if I change in grub, the sound back to work with another kernel, plus how do I run my wireless card too? |
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| 16:07.18 | spunks | my priority and the wireless card |
| 16:07.40 | Gijs | wols?? |
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| 16:08.17 | wols | Gijs: iptraf for example? |
| 16:08.49 | Gijs | oke the nif i start it |
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| 16:08.51 | spunks | and now? wols |
| 16:08.54 | Gijs | what to do to see the processes? |
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| 16:09.36 | wols | spunks: you mean with a backports kernel, sound works but wlan does not? |
| 16:09.55 | spunks | yes! |
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| 16:10.07 | aguitel | why in squeeze ,the network connection icon status say "no network connection " and i am connected from it |
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| 16:10.14 | spunks | kernel blackports yes sound card! not wireless =/ |
| 16:10.19 | r0nin | Gijs: you could also try nethogs, and use m to view the KB/Sec and will show the processes also |
| 16:10.32 | r0nin | probably easiest |
| 16:10.41 | spunks | what should I do to work with the wireless kernel blackports? |
| 16:10.49 | wols | spunks: how does lenny work with your broadcom chip? cause "pciid 14e4:4357" says it doesn't in lenny or sid |
| 16:11.28 | Gijs | ahh perfect |
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| 16:11.31 | Gijs | this is what i searched |
| 16:11.33 | spunks | not understand wols |
| 16:11.53 | wols | !br |
| 16:11.53 | dpkg | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 16:12.13 | spunks | I'll change the grub to boot the new kernel, since I'll be back |
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| 16:12.53 | Gijs | r0nin You are amaznig |
| 16:12.55 | Gijs | amazing |
| 16:13.11 | r0nin | knows it |
| 16:13.20 | r0nin | j/k im not like that |
| 16:14.27 | DipSwitch | that's why you are amazing ;) |
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| 16:16.34 | aguitel | why in squeeze ,the network connection icon status say "no network connection " and i am connected from it |
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| 16:19.29 | spunks | wols, what difference blackports kernel and kernel that came in the installation |
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| 16:19.56 | aguitel | spunks, more new |
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| 16:20.29 | rudi_s | spunks: And they are called backports (no l) ;-) (because they get backported from the current sid). |
| 16:20.30 | spunks | aguitel, thanks |
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| 16:20.46 | wols | spunks: 2.6.26 vs 2.6.32 |
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| 16:22.07 | spunks | If I follow the steps http://wiki.debian.org/wl my wifi back to work? |
| 16:22.08 | dmz_ | hello i was wondering if anyone could help me setup VPN in debian? |
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| 16:22.40 | spunks | before updating the kernel, I followed the lead of http://wiki.debian.org/wl and wireless worked |
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| 16:24.25 | spunks | yes? not? =// |
| 16:24.44 | dmz_ | In the nextwork manager i cant click +ADD |
| 16:25.06 | dmz_ | i did install pptp and openvpn support :/ |
| 16:25.36 | Bushmills | dmz_: (18:25:23) vpnHelper: Bushmills: "howto" is OpenVPN comes with a great howto, PLEASE READ IT! http://openvpn.net/howto |
| 16:26.00 | dmz_ | for some reason i didnt see that url |
| 16:26.11 | dmz_ | the text is so small (google chrome) hehe |
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| 16:27.06 | dmz_ | ah i dont want to use the openvpn client |
| 16:27.19 | dmz_ | first step is getting it to be addable in the network manager hehe |
| 16:28.37 | Bushmills | there is no openvpn client, as seperate software. there is openvpn. its config determines whether it is client or server |
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| 16:29.29 | dmz_ | Bushmills: ah ok, but i need to get trugh this issue before i can move on to openvpn |
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| 16:30.05 | dmz_ | i feel like i need to apt-get some more packages |
| 16:30.24 | Bushmills | whatever rocks your boat |
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| 16:30.46 | dmz_ | network-manager-openvpn and network-manager-pptp has been installed |
| 16:32.26 | Bushmills | dmz_: (18:31:56) vpnHelper: Bushmills: "pptp" is PPTP is known to be a faulty protocol. The designers of the protocol, Microsoft, recommend not to use it due to the inherent risks. Lots of people use PPTP anyway due to ease of use, but that doesn't mean it is any less hazardous. The maintainers of PPTP Client and Poptop recommend using OpenVPN (SSL based) or IPSec instead. http://pptpclient.sourceforge.net/protocol-security.phtml to read abou |
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| 16:36.19 | ordex | is there a way to install chromium via repo? |
| 16:36.21 | spunks | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:37.35 | aburch | ordex: It is available in unstable (chromium-browser). |
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| 16:38.40 | ordex | what if i download the .debs from unstable? |
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| 16:40.18 | d1b | ordex: don't |
| 16:40.27 | d1b | !mix |
| 16:40.27 | dpkg | rumour has it, mix is Donald Knuths fictional computer from his "The Art of Computer Programming" books, or 1009 |
| 16:40.30 | ordex | :°/ so no way to use it |
| 16:40.33 | d1b | erh no no damn. |
| 16:40.40 | d1b | ordex: you can backport your self |
| 16:40.48 | ordex | backport my self? |
| 16:40.58 | d1b | hm. or use apt-pinning |
| 16:41.00 | d1b | !pinning |
| 16:41.00 | dpkg | Pinning is a method to choose which version of a package to install when multiple versions are available from <sources.list>. Bugs are explained at http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/debian.html#errata . If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system, ask me about <backports> instead. http://wiki.debian.org/AptPreferences |
| 16:41.28 | ordex | i'm looking for trouble.. |
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| 16:41.45 | d1b | simple sid backport |
| 16:41.54 | d1b | dpkg: simple sid backport |
| 16:41.54 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old |
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| 16:42.40 | ordex | :\ |
| 16:42.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | !mixing distributions |
| 16:42.43 | dpkg | hmm... mixing distributions is generally not a good idea; things tend to break if you don't know what you're doing. |
| 16:42.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's what you meant, not the fictional computer |
| 16:43.52 | d1b | bah has there been any news on the squeeze front? |
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| 16:43.56 | d1b | like freeze time... |
| 16:44.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | sure... |
| 16:44.09 | d1b | orly/ |
| 16:44.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | it'll happen in 2015 |
| 16:44.21 | d1b | ..:P |
| 16:44.32 | d1b | oh debian setting a deadline, that's a change ;P |
| 16:44.52 | d1b | don't even have security support atm right? |
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| 16:45.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | and it'll be over by 2020 |
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| 16:45.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | ? why? nothing is frozen right now |
| 16:46.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | should all keep going as usual until it is |
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| 16:47.11 | guzu | i am unable to boot on my newly installed debian 4 |
| 16:47.22 | pikudoz | HELP |
| 16:47.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | here, take this concrete life-saver |
| 16:47.56 | guzu | :) |
| 16:48.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | worked |
| 16:48.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | debian 4? |
| 16:49.07 | guzu | hmm |
| 16:49.23 | guzu | maybe those failed steps matter after all :) |
| 16:50.08 | wols | guzu: are you really installing debian etch? |
| 16:50.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | ah, you also learned dancing |
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| 16:50.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | wols, seems so... during a dance course |
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| 16:50.53 | guzu | wols, yes, it's an old notebook with a stupid video card not working on 5 or 6 |
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| 16:52.08 | guzu | ok, it seems i don't really have passwords |
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| 16:52.51 | Bushmills | that's good. passwords suck :D |
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| 16:53.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | guzu, I suggest you just play the role of someone who hasn't been you for the past 10 hours and read the stuff you wrote |
| 16:53.16 | john_someguy | hello! Is there some good desktop-after-install for debian? I.e getting flash plugin, and all the goodies.. mplayer etc |
| 16:53.38 | john_someguy | I mean some good reading? |
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| 16:53.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | you just get what you want... |
| 16:54.03 | guzu | CutMeOwnThroat, sure :) |
| 16:54.21 | Bushmills | john_someguy: the programs you mention are not related to a desktop environment you choose |
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| 16:55.11 | guzu | so i'll have to reset the passwords, if there are any |
| 16:55.11 | Bushmills | you install a desktop, and you install the mentioned stuff too. seperate steps. |
| 16:55.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | guzu, what I'm saying: we can't have the slightest what on earth you're talking about |
| 16:55.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | for one |
| 16:55.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | !doesn't work |
| 16:55.51 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>. |
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| 16:55.59 | Bushmills | guzu: how do you know that there are no passwords if the system, as you say, doesn't boot? |
| 16:56.39 | john_someguy | Bushmills, i know.. did apt-get install gnome-core, and so on.... now I need the rest. |
| 16:56.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | john_someguy, there are no "all the goodies" as different people want different things |
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| 16:56.54 | john_someguy | Bushmills, can't find a good wiki guide on the subject |
| 16:57.18 | guzu | CutMeOwnThroat, Bushmills , thank you. the system is booting in all debians (456) but in 4 i can not login with either root or the other user accounts |
| 16:57.24 | Bushmills | john_someguy: maybe because no wiki knows what your choice of "the rest" is |
| 16:57.28 | john_someguy | CutMeOwnThroat, the basics.. flash plugin, dvd playback, xvid codecs.. etc.. 99% desktop has that |
| 16:57.59 | john_someguy | Bushmills, flash plugin, java plugin? I bet most have them installed for desktop use |
| 16:58.25 | Bushmills | guzu: boot from rescue system, chroot to your newly installed system, change password. |
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| 16:58.50 | d1b | john_someguy: ahahah flash and java |
| 16:58.55 | d1b | oh noes |
| 16:58.57 | Bushmills | john_someguy: my understanding is that many people avoid either or both |
| 16:59.01 | d1b | !java |
| 16:59.01 | dpkg | [java] a cross-platform C++-like OO language. Sun, now Oracle, has released most of its Java implementation under the GPL as <openjdk>. There are other implementations packaged for Debian, Sun's JRE/JDK is in <non-free> (for i386, amd64 only). Ask me about <install java>. See also <java alternatives>, <icedtea>. Squeeze users: ask me about <java ipv6>. http://wiki.debian.org/Java ##java on irc.freenode.net. |
| 16:59.30 | d1b | there is icedtea etc. --- there is also a flash backport iirc --> you really need that |
| 16:59.37 | guzu | Bushmills, great idea. for now i've just edited /etc/passwd . i hope it is enough :) |
| 16:59.42 | john_someguy | !install java |
| 16:59.42 | dpkg | For the Java web browser plugin, install either the free icedtea-gcjwebplugin (Lenny) or icedtea6-plugin (Squeeze) package, or the <non-free> sun-java6-plugin package. For other Java programs, you can install the default-jre package to get a Java runtime; use "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine" to see other implementations. The best options are probably openjdk-6-jre or sun-java6-jre (non-free). See also <java alternatives>. |
| 16:59.44 | d1b | but you need non-free ;P |
| 16:59.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | !adobe flash |
| 16:59.48 | dpkg | Adobe Flash Player is <non-free> and cannot be in a stable Debian release, as Adobe do not provide security support for older versions (see http://bugs.debian.org/457291). The easiest way to install it is with the flashplayer-mozilla package from <debian-multimedia.org>; there is also a flashplugin-nonfree <contrib> package for sid and backports.org users. Ask me about <dmm> <bpo> <non-free>. http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
| 17:00.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | john_someguy, also /msg dpkg dmm |
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| 17:00.49 | d1b | john_someguy: if you want a desktop -> linux that is easier try ubuntu |
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| 17:01.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | you sure about that? |
| 17:01.20 | Bushmills | but then don't cry on debian that flash has crashed your browser :) |
| 17:01.22 | john_someguy | d1b, i went from ubuntu to debian. because its crap |
| 17:01.28 | Ashhh | brbz, restart :P |
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| 17:02.01 | craigevil | john_someguy: take a look at http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/multimedia-codecs-810914/ |
| 17:02.11 | john_someguy | CutMeOwnThroat, hm, flashplayer-mozilla ? apt-get cant find it |
| 17:02.14 | Bushmills | john_someguy: "because it's crap" is what many people also think about flash |
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| 17:02.34 | john_someguy | Bushmills, well I want youtube to work |
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| 17:02.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions flashplayer-mozilla |
| 17:02.42 | john_someguy | craigevil, thanks :) |
| 17:02.44 | judd | flashplayer-mozilla -- etch-multimedia: 1:9.0.152.0-0.0; lenny-multimedia/non-free: 1:10.0.45.2-0.0; sid-multimedia/non-free: 1:10.0.45.2-0.0; squeeze-multimedia/non-free: 1:10.0.45.2-0.0 |
| 17:02.45 | d1b | john_someguy: so use a nightly firefox / chrome |
| 17:02.51 | d1b | and webml / html5 |
| 17:02.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | john_someguy, did you msg the bot about dmm? |
| 17:03.11 | john_someguy | CutMeOwnThroat, no.. wait |
| 17:03.21 | d1b | dpkg: tell john_someguy about dmm |
| 17:04.00 | john_someguy | d1b, I have dmm repos added |
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| 17:05.55 | john_someguy | CutMeOwnThroat, but isn't the package called flashplayer-mozilla? I have dmm repos, and key added |
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| 17:07.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | did you update apts local database? |
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| 17:08.22 | john_someguy | CutMeOwnThroat, apt-get update. Yes.. mplayer and libdvd could be installed, but no mozilla plugin found :S |
| 17:09.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's in non-free |
| 17:10.10 | john_someguy | will mozilla-mplayer, work with iceweasel, or do I need firefox? |
| 17:10.19 | john_someguy | dmm non-free? |
| 17:10.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes... see what judd wrote above |
| 17:10.33 | john_someguy | oh had only main there |
| 17:11.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | 1st time I see dmm has non-free |
| 17:12.31 | john_someguy | great it worked ! :) just had to add "non free" to dmm repo :) |
| 17:12.33 | john_someguy | thanks all |
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| 17:14.37 | craigevil | CutMeOwnThroat: Christian added non-free a couple months back and moved things like flash, acroread in to it |
| 17:15.14 | guzu | Bushmills, after i (wrongly) edited /etc/passwd in debian 5 instead of 4, i did as you say (way faster, safer) and now i'm in :) thank you very much |
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| 17:17.30 | guzu | how can i start that nice frontend to install software groups whic is displayed during install? (the one where i can add "Desktop", "Laptop", etc) |
| 17:17.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | tasksel? |
| 17:18.12 | thb|Ou7 | Tv! |
| 17:18.40 | guzu | CutMeOwnThroat, thank you very much! |
| 17:18.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | thb|Ou7, are you trying to tell us something? |
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| 17:22.35 | guzu | what's a login manager lighter than gdm but better than xdm? |
| 17:24.31 | guzu | wdm, probably |
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| 17:26.27 | guzu | dpkg is a very powerfull tool |
| 17:26.27 | dpkg | guzu: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 17:26.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | tee hee |
| 17:26.51 | pingouin | account on 2 |
| 17:26.52 | guzu | :) |
| 17:26.58 | pingouin | sorry ww |
| 17:27.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | "lighter"? |
| 17:27.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | installed, it's 16.4 Kb |
| 17:27.48 | guzu | i won't use gnoe or kde so i don't need {g,k}dm |
| 17:27.55 | guzu | *gnome |
| 17:28.02 | Rayne | hey guys, i have an irc user in a debian minimal image. do i need him? the user has no files which belong to him and his home does not exist (irc:x:39:39:ircd:/var/run/ircd:/bin/sh) |
| 17:28.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | you don't need gnome for gdm |
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| 17:28.38 | jelly-home | guzu: I use gdm but not Gnome. Is there anything wrong with that? |
| 17:28.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | Rayne, why do you bother with that? |
| 17:29.03 | guzu | jelly-home, the problem is here, i have only 48 mb of ram :) |
| 17:29.18 | guzu | so gdm is a little too much |
| 17:29.24 | jelly-home | guzu: don't use X, then! |
| 17:29.37 | Rayne | CutMeOwnThroat, i do not like mr. irc, because i did not create him nor i know why he exists in my system >:| |
| 17:30.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | he's probably one of the base-accounts |
| 17:30.32 | jelly-home | guzu: why do you need a login manager on such a machine? Is it an embedded system, a vps, a _really_ old PC? |
| 17:30.40 | dekroning | anyone that has a bios with a feature to boot up the system at a specific time? |
| 17:30.50 | guzu | jelly-home, _really_ old |
| 17:31.07 | jelly-home | guzu: what X apps are you using on it? |
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| 17:31.38 | jelly-home | Rayne: that's one of the system accounts present in base debian installation. |
| 17:31.47 | guzu | jelly-home, maybe epiphany, i don't know yet |
| 17:31.58 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell Rayne about users |
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| 17:33.30 | jelly-home | guzu: a graphical browser based on Gecko is unlikely to work with that amount of RAM |
| 17:34.01 | guzu | jelly-home, is there a bettrer option? (not considering text-based) |
| 17:34.29 | Rayne | thanks |
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| 17:35.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | did the qnx floppy come with a browser? |
| 17:35.59 | jelly-home | guzu: who is going to use the machine, yourself or someone else? links2 perhaps |
| 17:36.13 | guzu | just me |
| 17:38.55 | jelly-home | guzu: some other distro with emphasis on resource scarcity might be a better option for such a machine |
| 17:39.07 | bolt | deborphan thinks mktemp, conky and diff are orphans. i thought i installed them manually, but apparently not... how can i make it understand i want those packages? |
| 17:39.07 | bocaneri | Can anybody point me to a link explaining in neutral terms what the Debian SSL debacle is about, how it came to be, how it got discovered and how it was resolved? Folks on ##linux roasting debiabn because it's "inherently insecure" and "poorly maintained". |
| 17:39.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | qnx! |
| 17:39.53 | jelly-home | bocaneri: hm, start with, perhaps, /msg dpkg dsa1571 |
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| 17:40.01 | sshc | Does Debian require pulseaudio? |
| 17:40.09 | sshc | Or is it gnome that requires pulseaudio? |
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| 17:40.21 | streuner | no |
| 17:40.53 | bocaneri | Neither. I removed pulseaudio entirely from ubuntu 10, and current debian stable doesn't even install it at all by default. |
| 17:41.19 | sshc | Is pulseaudio able to be removed from Ubuntu 9? |
| 17:41.28 | jelly-home | sshc: ask #ubuntu |
| 17:41.46 | guzu | jelly-home, right, but due to the lack of compuing power, (vs. the ease of debian), the work to build a system from source will be a lot more. what distro you think will work better on my very old notebook? (pentium / 150 mhz, 48 mb of ram, trident video, pcmcia network card, isa sound) |
| 17:42.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | dsl? |
| 17:42.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | damn small linux, I mean |
| 17:42.16 | bocaneri | sshc, short answer: yes. |
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| 17:42.51 | streuner | sshc: #ubuntu |
| 17:42.55 | jelly-home | guzu: sorry, I can't help with that, I just know you won't be happy with Debian 5.0 (likely 4.0 either) |
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| 17:43.43 | guzu | jelly-home, thank you very much. actually, both debian 5 and 6 work fine as long as i don't want: x and sound |
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| 17:44.42 | wols | guzu: imho, puppy linux or dsl. amount of RAM is just too low for anything else when you want X |
| 17:44.45 | jelly-home | guzu: fsvo "fine". dpkg probably swaps a lot and any upgrades run for hours. I've used debian on a 486 with 64MB RAM. It was used as a simple router, and apt-get wasn't a pretty sight |
| 17:45.24 | guzu | wols, unfortunately both dsl and puppy (recent versions) fail to start x on this machine. deli works but is outdated, |
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| 17:45.38 | Rayne | that user confuses me, i do not have an ircd but debian created the user because of a bug in ircd? |
| 17:45.45 | bocaneri | Whoever that was who furnished me a link to the Debian SSL security advisory, thanks. |
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| 17:46.46 | aguitel | why in squeeze ,the network connection icon status say "no network connection " and i am connected from it |
| 17:46.46 | jelly-home | Rayne: no, the base system has a static user ready, just in case you ever decide to install an ircd |
| 17:47.12 | jelly-home | aguitel: network connection icon? |
| 17:47.21 | guzu | jelly-home, although indeed the performance is not the best, it's way better better than any other distro, only slackware is a serious contender on such low resources |
| 17:47.28 | aguitel | jelly-home, yes |
| 17:47.34 | jelly-home | aguitel: Gnome's NetworkManager applet in systray? |
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| 17:47.45 | aguitel | jelly-home, yes |
| 17:47.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | guzu, apt-cache show xserver-xfbdev |
| 17:48.02 | d1b | guzu: seems a bit odd.. |
| 17:48.29 | jelly-home | aguitel: you probably have properly configured /etc/network/interfaces, and NetworkManager isn't configured to manage those |
| 17:49.08 | guzu | CutMeOwnThroat, no packages found |
| 17:49.08 | jelly-home | !emdebian |
| 17:49.08 | dpkg | Emdebian is a binary distribution for embedded devices. It is created by the Embedded Debian project, an official Debian sub-project, which aims to make Debian GNU/Linux a mainstream choice for embedded projects. http://wiki.debian.org/Embedded_Debian http://www.emdebian.org/ #emdebian on irc.oftc.net. |
| 17:49.14 | aguitel | jelly-home, what need to do |
| 17:49.16 | guzu | d1b, why? |
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| 17:49.27 | d1b | guzu: why would it work in 4 and not 5 |
| 17:49.29 | d1b | (x) |
| 17:49.37 | jelly-home | guzu: I wonder if emdebian caters to users of tiny i386 machines |
| 17:49.50 | guzu | d1b, due to "improvements" in xorg |
| 17:50.00 | guzu | trident driver was left behind |
| 17:50.07 | d1b | oh? |
| 17:50.08 | guzu | and vesa was messed |
| 17:50.08 | jelly-home | aguitel: well... it works, doesn't it? So you don't need to do anything |
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| 17:50.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions xserver-xfbdev |
| 17:50.13 | judd | xserver-xfbdev -- sid: 2:1.7.7-1; squeeze: 2:1.7.7-1; experimental: 2:1.8.1-1 |
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| 17:50.45 | jelly-home | guzu: if I were feeling naughty, I'd suggest installing Debian 3.1 or 3.0 :-> |
| 17:50.47 | shazbotmcnasty | question I've always had, since I first started with linux |
| 17:50.49 | shazbotmcnasty | years ago |
| 17:50.52 | shazbotmcnasty | lol |
| 17:51.05 | dekroning | anyone know what the "BIOS Date" means? because i have a "date" field and a BIOS Date field in my bios |
| 17:51.07 | shazbotmcnasty | if I've cd'd to say: /usr/share/games/openttd/data |
| 17:51.10 | aguitel | jelly-home, it work ,but when i was in lenny icon say "you are connected ..." but in squeeze not |
| 17:51.22 | shazbotmcnasty | how would I go back to /usr/share/games/openttd/ |
| 17:51.25 | shazbotmcnasty | with one command? |
| 17:51.27 | jelly-home | aguitel: file a bug? you're using testing after all |
| 17:51.31 | guzu | d1b, i'll confess, on my newer computers i use fedora. somewhere during the life of fedora 8, xorg became better, and stoped working with trident or vesa on this video card |
| 17:51.37 | shazbotmcnasty | other than "cd /usr/share/games/openttd" |
| 17:52.06 | guzu | jelly-home, actually i have somewhere 2.2 cd's waiting to be reinstalled on 486sx eith 8 mb of ram :) |
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| 17:52.57 | d1b | !redhat |
| 17:53.02 | d1b | dpkg: redhat |
| 17:53.22 | d1b | pokes dpkg |
| 17:53.26 | wols | !tell d1b about msgthebot |
| 17:53.39 | jelly-home | guzu: I don't know if centos people still keep up with RHEL4 and have a centos 4, that should be close to fedora core 6 with versions of software |
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| 17:53.49 | d1b | wols: there is no more factoid for redhat? |
| 17:53.54 | d1b | apt: redhat |
| 17:53.55 | apt | [redhat] a linux distro, or rhymes with Dead Rat |
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| 17:54.09 | jelly-home | d1b: what are you trying to do |
| 17:54.16 | d1b | sorry done. |
| 17:54.17 | wols | jelly-home: annoy us |
| 17:54.27 | wols | d1b: do your search in /msg windows please |
| 17:54.29 | d1b | guzu: that is an idea - centos might still be 'supported'. |
| 17:54.44 | guzu | d1b, centos is slow compared with any debian |
| 17:54.52 | jelly-home | RHEL4 definitely is, but is payware |
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| 17:55.11 | hjb | hi. i've got problems with my radeon card: GLX isn't working |
| 17:55.26 | wols | hjb: what card? |
| 17:55.30 | jelly-home | guzu: shut down any unnecessary services on it, the default setup brings lots of them up |
| 17:55.32 | hjb | http://de.pastebin.ca/1873918 |
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| 17:55.36 | b_52light_ | hi |
| 17:55.38 | b_52light_ | plz i'm tryng to install my linux-headers package but i got this http://pastebin.com/PSBj5aZz |
| 17:55.52 | hjb | wols: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon R350 [Radeon 9800 Pro] |
| 17:55.57 | d1b | hjb: are you on lenny or squeeze? |
| 17:56.08 | hjb | d1b: sid |
| 17:56.14 | guzu | jelly-home, good point, i forgot about it |
| 17:56.17 | d1b | have you installed the firmware ? |
| 17:56.20 | wols | b_52light_: get a current backports kernel |
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| 17:56.43 | hjb | d1b: no, i haven't |
| 17:56.56 | hjb | d1b: at least i don't know having done it |
| 17:57.00 | b_52light_ | wols, yu mean update my kernel ? |
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| 17:57.56 | wols | b_52light_: yes. and this time, immediately install kernel headers |
| 17:58.05 | guzu | hmm, i've installed epiphany but i don't find it in fluxbox menu |
| 17:58.13 | hjb | d1b: thanks for your help :) i'm going to install the firmware |
| 17:58.16 | guzu | how can i find the binary name? |
| 17:58.17 | wols | b_52light_: if you are lucky, snapshots.debian.org still has your headers |
| 17:58.28 | wols | guzu: dpkg -l <package> |grep bin |
| 17:58.28 | guzu | (for epiphany) |
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| 17:58.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | wols did you really just now_ask_ jelly to annoy us? |
| 17:58.38 | guzu | wols, thank you very much |
| 17:59.00 | wols | CutMeOwnThroat: I obviously asked you to since you do |
| 17:59.06 | d1b | hjb: http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 17:59.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | i'm not! |
| 17:59.17 | nielsle | guzu: I think that the binary is called epiphany-browser |
| 17:59.23 | d1b | but as you are on sid, there could be other reasons too ^^ |
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| 17:59.44 | hjb | d1b: probably, but first i'll try installing the firmware-nofree |
| 17:59.59 | b_52light_ | what the saffest way to upgrade my kernel :D ? |
| 18:00.07 | d1b | b_52light_: apt-get upgrade |
| 18:00.23 | guzu | nielsle, oh, so that is why :) |
| 18:00.34 | guzu | nielsle, thank you |
| 18:00.38 | icebrain | !wwyttd b_52light_ |
| 18:00.58 | guzu | hmm, in etch, epiphany-browser requires samba-common |
| 18:01.10 | icebrain | !wayttd ss |
| 18:01.10 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, ss? |
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| 18:01.17 | icebrain | meh |
| 18:01.40 | icebrain | b_52light_: are you running Stable and want a more recent kernel |
| 18:01.42 | icebrain | ? |
| 18:01.58 | nielsle | because there is a game named epiphany. When hey made the browser they forgot to use google. The shell script /usr/bin/epiphany may start the game or the browser depending on your setup. |
| 18:02.04 | b_52light_ | icebrain, nop just need the adequate kernel header of my version |
| 18:02.23 | b_52light_ | and apt can't find them in bavckport |
| 18:02.36 | d1b | probably because there isn't one... available in backport |
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| 18:02.49 | b_52light_ | yes i guess :d |
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| 18:03.40 | guzu | nielsle, indeed |
| 18:03.50 | icebrain | there's linux-headers-2.6.32-bpo.3-686 in Lenny backports |
| 18:03.52 | pzn | is there any way to export a "raw block device" to another debian machine? suppose I want to use /dev/sdb1 remotely |
| 18:03.55 | dancor | b_52light_: you could also check online to make sure the package isn't available in backport |
| 18:04.29 | dancor | check twice, pwn once |
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| 18:04.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | snapshots.debian.org |
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| 18:05.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | or archives.debian.org |
| 18:05.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | !archives |
| 18:05.34 | dpkg | hmm... archive is a collection of files. 'tar', 'ar', 'cpio' are all archiving tools. This is *not* the same as compression, which is a separate operation. Debian Archives is the repository for old Debian releases, see http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive . For the package archive, ask me about <snapshot>. Old Debian <ISO> files are archived at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/ |
| 18:06.18 | b_52light_ | found it |
| 18:06.32 | b_52light_ | now just need to install the dependancies so i can install the linux-headers |
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| 18:06.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | !wayttd b_52light_ |
| 18:06.55 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, b_52light_? |
| 18:07.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | that still applies |
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| 18:08.24 | b_52light_ | CutMeOwnThroat, install http://packages.debian.org/lenny-backports/linux-headers-2.6.29-bpo.2-686-bigmem |
| 18:08.25 | b_52light_ | :D |
| 18:08.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | if you're doing that just for the fun of it and the learning experience, you shouldn't ask about it here |
| 18:09.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | but do the research yourself for all the fun and the learning experience |
| 18:09.04 | b_52light_ | nop |
| 18:09.22 | b_52light_ | i'm doing because i need to insyall vmware player who needs the linux kernel |
| 18:09.23 | b_52light_ | ,,, |
| 18:09.31 | b_52light_ | nt for the fun |
| 18:09.45 | b_52light_ | i got a stable debian and i'm hppy with it .... |
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| 18:12.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | !virtualization |
| 18:12.00 | dpkg | For resources concerning the use of Debian as a host for virtual computers, or as a guest within a virtual computer, see http://wiki.debian.org/SystemVirtualization . Also ask me about <hyper-v>, <kvm>, <linux-vserver>, <lxc>, <mol>, <openvz>, <pearpc>, <qemu>, <user mode linux>, <virtualbox>, <virtual pc>, <vmware>, <xen>, <xve>, <ksm>. |
| 18:12.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | I don't see why one would use the non-free vmware when there's such a huge amount of alternatives around |
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| 18:13.21 | bitmaker | using Linux (ubuntu) --> set my env LANG=en_US.UTF-8 --> launch python and am able to print unicode just fine: print u'\u3566' -- however, when i launch via CGI script (apache2) unicode isn't working. Ive set the LANG value for the 'www-data' user also, but this has no effect. anyone run into this? |
| 18:13.25 | Riviera | sometimes people don't see because they don't want to |
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| 18:14.00 | b_52light_ | sometimes somepeople speak and they don't know what they are talking about |
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| 18:14.12 | b_52light_ | i want to test a tools that is shipped with vmware |
| 18:14.14 | b_52light_ | ,,,,,,,,,,, |
| 18:14.24 | b_52light_ | not because i'm in love of vmware |
| 18:14.26 | b_52light_ | ,............ |
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| 18:14.53 | taiyal | will the Debian 5 installer run successfully in 40MB RAM? |
| 18:15.00 | DipSwitch | bitmaker: try the ubuntu channel? |
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| 18:15.26 | guzu | taiyal, works in 48, i don't know about 40 |
| 18:15.43 | taiyal | well, I'll have to try it out then ^_^ |
| 18:15.51 | guzu | :) |
| 18:15.52 | taiyal | Pentium 60/66, 40MB RAM ^_^ |
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| 18:16.32 | guzu | taiyal, for learning? |
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| 18:17.15 | taiyal | guzu: for learning, and also for that tower's real parallel and serial ports |
| 18:17.24 | guzu | i see |
| 18:17.25 | taiyal | my other machines are both laptops |
| 18:17.55 | mamalujo | ok so what's the correct way of installing nouveau on squeeze? I was sure it was installed by default since libdrm-nouveau1 and xserver-xorg-video-nouveau were autoinstalled, but apparently there's a kernel module for it that's not installed? |
| 18:18.10 | guzu | taiyal, you can also try latest (debian 6?) debian-installer |
| 18:18.12 | taiyal | mainly for learning Linux assembly for demo/graphics programming and not having to worry about wiping out an existing system ^_^ |
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| 18:18.26 | taiyal | there's a debian 6 now? |
| 18:18.38 | guzu | not yet |
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| 18:18.58 | NiLon | maybe next year |
| 18:19.02 | guzu | but works fine for a basic desktop |
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| 18:19.34 | DipSwitch | mamalujo: nouveau is installed with kernel 2.6.32-5 (debian sid) |
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| 18:19.51 | DipSwitch | but i recommend not to use it but use the nvidia drivers from the site |
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| 18:20.47 | DipSwitch | mamalujo: but guess that if you wait some longer it'll be in squeeze to :) |
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| 18:22.47 | mamalujo | nice! I mean, I stumbled on some mailinglist discussions of whether there will be nouveau in squeeze or not, cuz apparently it either has to be backported to 2.6.32 or one needs to wait for 2.6.34. So I wasn't sure if squeeze will support it at all |
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| 18:24.21 | mamalujo | ill try it out, since I allways had negative experiences with the official blob |
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| 18:29.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | !nouveau |
| 18:29.35 | dpkg | Nouveau is a project with the goal of open source 3D acceleration for NVIDIA cards. Nouveau <DRM> in mainline as of Linux 2.6.33, included in linux-2.6 as of 2.6.32-10, not considered an official release. Display driver packaged as xserver-xorg-video-nouveau, no 3D support included. Read its README.Debian to enable driver use. http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/ #nouveau on irc.freenode.net. For 3D support, ask me about <nvidia>. |
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| 18:34.35 | xelister | hi |
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| 18:34.53 | xelister | why apache's sites-enabled syntax sucks so much? (#httpd says it's partially decission of Debian?) |
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| 18:37.00 | PerfDave | xelister: Because Debian's apache maintainers personally hate you? |
| 18:37.08 | PerfDave | xelister: Seriously though, "it sucks so much" is a matter of opinion. |
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| 18:38.41 | xelister | PerfDave: lack of posisblity to write a comment in another line like fooo... # .... makes few small things harder... oh well |
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| 18:44.46 | PerfDave | has no idea why xelister can't put commemts in... |
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| 18:46.41 | DipSwitch | because he's doing it wrong clearly ^^ |
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| 18:47.27 | NotLim | hi guys |
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| 18:47.49 | pzn | is there any way to "export" a block device and use it remotely? I'd like to export /dev/sdb1 to another computer |
| 18:48.14 | DipSwitch | !tell pzn nfs |
| 18:48.19 | NotLim | i need some help. I'm being a victim of this bug: http://www.listshow.net/201005/debian-boot/31292-bug583551-debian-installer-mkfsext3-fails-to-run.html |
| 18:48.33 | pzn | DipSwitch, I don't want to export the filesystem, I want to export the device. |
| 18:48.37 | NotLim | in debian squeeze... someone knows how to solve it? |
| 18:49.00 | NotLim | pzn: AoE? |
| 18:49.00 | PerfDave | pzn: nbd? |
| 18:49.25 | PerfDave | pzn: Also, ATA over Ethernet, iSCSI, various other exciting things. nbd might be simpler though. |
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| 18:50.09 | NotLim | PerfDave hi |
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| 18:50.17 | PerfDave | Hello NotLim |
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| 18:50.52 | NotLim | do you know something about the "mkfs.ext3: /lib/libblkid.so.1: version 'BLKID_2.17' not found (required by mkfs.ext3)" error? |
| 18:51.00 | NotLim | ;D |
| 18:51.10 | PerfDave | NotLim: No, sorry, I don't run Squeeze. |
| 18:51.15 | \amethyst | NotLim: cl-clx-sbcl, gnometab, libedata-cal1.2-6, libedataserver1.2-11, libexchange-storage1.2-3, libglitz-glx1, libglitz1, libgtkhtml2-0, libgtkhtml2-dbg, libgtkhtml2-dev, libnet-z3950-perl, libparrot2.0.0, libyaz3, python-gtkhtml2 |
| 18:51.19 | \amethyst | doh |
| 18:51.20 | \amethyst | sorry, wrong c/p |
| 18:51.24 | NotLim | what XD |
| 18:51.29 | NotLim | PerfDave okay |
| 18:51.37 | NotLim | \amethyst, okay |
| 18:51.38 | \amethyst | NotLim: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=583551 says that using a newer ISO might fix it |
| 18:51.51 | NotLim | \amethyst |
| 18:51.53 | pzn | NotLim, PerfDave: thanks, now that I have "names", I'll google them to know which one is better for my needs. |
| 18:51.55 | NotLim | the problem is not in the installer |
| 18:52.12 | NotLim | pzn: 8) |
| 18:52.29 | NotLim | \amethyst, i have a working squeeze installation |
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| 18:52.31 | \amethyst | NotLim: ah... try getting libblkid1 from sid |
| 18:52.39 | NotLim | how can i do that? |
| 18:52.40 | NotLim | :D |
| 18:52.59 | NotLim | sorry, i've never mixed testing and unstable repos |
| 18:53.07 | \amethyst | NotLim: http://packages.debian.org/sid/libblkid1 go to the "Download libblkid1" section |
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| 18:53.17 | NotLim | okay |
| 18:53.40 | \amethyst | NotLim: the dependencies are close enough that you should just be able to dpkg -i it into an up-to-date squeeze |
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| 18:54.38 | NotLim | okay, let me see |
| 18:55.14 | NotLim | wow |
| 18:55.19 | NotLim | \amethyst |
| 18:55.22 | NotLim | thank you very much |
| 18:55.24 | NotLim | 8) |
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| 18:56.36 | jeverling | Hi, is there a way to check with apt-get which repository contains a package? |
| 18:57.03 | DipSwitch | jeverling: apt-cache show package |
| 18:57.32 | wols | jeverling: apt-cache policy <package> |
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| 18:57.41 | jeverling | thanks a lot! |
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| 19:06.40 | oOarthurOo | Hi... just installed Quodlibet from official sources on debian squeeze, but running quodlibet gives the following error: ImportError: File "/usr/bin/quodlibet", line 18, in <module> import quodlibet.player ImportError: No module named player |
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| 19:07.19 | oOarthurOo | All dependencies are installed |
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| 19:16.24 | oOarthurOo | nm... purging and reinstalling fixes it. I just forgot to purge exfalso last time |
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| 19:26.01 | HackeMate | hello, when i try to mount the cdrom i get this message http://pastebin.com/K2Hj6HUc |
| 19:26.13 | HackeMate | the resume is: rong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdb, missing codepage or helper program, or other error |
| 19:26.17 | HackeMate | wrong* |
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| 19:29.12 | PerfDave | Is there a good guide to customising initrds? I'm trying to get a DHCP client and dropbear SSH into mine. |
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| 19:30.23 | bzed | PerfDave: looking into /usr/share/initramfs-tools/ explains a lot |
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| 19:32.14 | streuner | HackeMate: did you try to fsck the FS? |
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| 19:33.09 | lovasoa | /msg dpkg guidelines |
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| 19:35.05 | HackeMate | streuner: its a virgin cd |
| 19:35.20 | HackeMate | i believe my burner is broken |
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| 19:36.03 | HackeMate | dmesg|tail says this http://pastebin.com/B4u2D9bK |
| 19:36.07 | HackeMate | with any cd i put in |
| 19:37.03 | streuner | custom kernel? |
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| 19:37.12 | ds` | sup |
| 19:37.13 | HackeMate | no, im using normal lenny |
| 19:37.21 | ds` | Quick question |
| 19:37.35 | streuner | hackeron: caz |
| 19:37.44 | ds` | running lenny and using chrome... When I run irssi I can't get the clickable links to open in chrome. |
| 19:37.47 | ds` | Any ideas? |
| 19:37.48 | streuner | hackeron: cat /proc/version |
| 19:37.59 | streuner | HackeMate: cat /proc/version |
| 19:38.03 | HackeMate | Linux version 2.6.26-2-686 (Debian 2.6.26-22lenny1) (dannf@debian.org) (gcc version 4.1.3 20080704 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.2-25)) #1 SMP Wed May 12 21:56:10 UTC 2010 |
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| 19:38.10 | streuner | hm |
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| 19:39.18 | ds` | word |
| 19:39.20 | ds` | no ideas |
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| 19:39.24 | ds` | thumbs up |
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| 19:42.17 | refefer | exit |
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| 19:47.29 | toolbear | anybody know how to convert *.info files to html? |
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| 19:52.27 | pipeline | toolbear: info files are just formatted text.... txt2html ? |
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| 19:55.41 | toolbear | pipeline: ok, although it seems as though info files have links within them and whatnot. i'll give this a shot anyways. thanks. |
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| 19:56.31 | pipeline | toolbear: oh. info2www dude |
| 19:56.45 | pipeline | toolbear: it's a cgi script that dynamically renders info page to html |
| 19:56.51 | pipeline | toolbear: I thought you just wanted to print one page as html |
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| 19:57.19 | toolbear | pipeline: ok, great, thanks! |
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| 20:08.50 | mr_danie1 | Does Lenny uses a kernel with a set CONFIG_STRICT_DEVMEM kernel option? |
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| 20:10.16 | ronronron | Hi, how can I remove an application entirely in debian server? |
| 20:10.38 | DipSwitch | ronronron: aptitude autoremove --purge APPLICATION |
| 20:10.38 | mr_danie1 | I ask because when a server runs debian and the machine is hacked, then one of the first things to do is to make a memory dump; but with a set CONFIG_STRICT_DEVMEM this is impossible, and so no forensic analysis is possible to catch the bad guy |
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| 20:10.55 | ronronron | ah --purge was what I had forgotten DipSwitch, thanks a lot! |
| 20:11.09 | DipSwitch | purge only makes sure you remove the config files aswell |
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| 20:11.14 | mr_danie1 | but on the other side protecting /dev/meme is a good idea; this is really a dilemma |
| 20:11.27 | ronronron | Which is what I needed to do >_> |
| 20:11.33 | DipSwitch | oke :p |
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| 20:18.40 | carlosf | I've installed some qt software, however, their fonts rendering are not looking good, do I need to install some additionall lib? |
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| 20:38.06 | JodaZ | how do i make dhcp-client give out the dns servers from resolv.conf ? |
| 20:39.32 | PerfDave | JodaZ: I'm not sure I understand - why would the client give out information to anything? |
| 20:40.30 | JodaZ | o wait a minute |
| 20:40.38 | JodaZ | i mean dhcp-server of course |
| 20:40.39 | JodaZ | sorry |
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| 20:43.28 | JyZyXEL | does having a dm-crypt layer in between the block device and ext3 increase data loss chances in sudden power loss situations? |
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| 20:47.06 | PerfDave | JodaZ: Which DHCP server? dnsmasq will do it automatically. |
| 20:47.21 | JodaZ | i don't want a dns proxy >_> |
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| 20:47.27 | PerfDave | JyZyXEL: Not that I've noticed, but I haven't exactly tested it thorughly. |
| 20:48.20 | PerfDave | JodaZ: dnsmasq will act as a DHCP server that gives out the DNS servers from resolv.conf |
| 20:48.46 | JodaZ | PerfDave, it will also act as a dns proxy which i do not want |
| 20:49.06 | PerfDave | JodaZ: Only if you configure it to. |
| 20:49.17 | PerfDave | JodaZ: Anyway, you haven't said which DHCP server you're actually using. |
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| 20:50.00 | JodaZ | PerfDave, i can configure dnsmasqd to not listen on port 53 ? |
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| 20:51.52 | lindi- | JodaZ: then use a normal dhcp server |
| 20:52.09 | JodaZ | LOL |
| 20:52.32 | lindi- | i thought the point of dnsmasq was to get dns and dhcp in same process |
| 20:53.05 | JodaZ | what i am trying to do is getting dhcp-server to honor resolv.conf |
| 20:53.37 | PerfDave | JodaZ: It would help to know which DHCP server you'er using, and which version of Debian. |
| 20:54.04 | JodaZ | the isc one, PerfDave |
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| 20:56.52 | PerfDave | JodaZ: And which version of Debian? |
| 20:57.30 | Bushmills | silence :D |
| 20:58.45 | JodaZ | no debian to be honest |
| 20:59.14 | PerfDave | JodaZ: This is a channel for Debian-related questions. |
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| 21:00.56 | JodaZ | PerfDave, only distro politics then ? |
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| 21:04.00 | djura-san | o/ |
| 21:04.30 | PerfDave | Evening djura-san |
| 21:04.53 | djura-san | hello mr. PerfDave :) |
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| 21:06.46 | lindi- | JodaZ: dhcp3-server 3.1.1-6+lenny4 does not support that afaik. |
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| 21:09.40 | JodaZ | lindi-, you mean getting dns servers from resolv.conf ? |
| 21:10.29 | lindi- | JodaZ: yes. |
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| 21:10.38 | JodaZ | thanks, lindi- |
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| 21:20.01 | mer1 | siemka ;) |
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| 21:20.36 | nicolas_ | hi ppl |
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| 21:23.05 | nicolas_ | My brother has an HP laserjet 1018, i followed these common instructions to make it work: http://phanvinhthinh.blogspot.com/2008/06/install-hp-laserjet-1018-printer-on.html , my question is, during this procedure i have to upload a firmware to the printer (sihp1080.dl), but if he dual boots into windows and uses it, do i have to flash it again upon reboot ? |
| 21:23.27 | lindi- | nicolas_: that is one of the few hp printers that need non-free software, right? |
| 21:23.30 | mer1 | eee english channel? oO |
| 21:23.53 | nicolas_ | lindi-: well it only works with the foo2zjs driver, but require hplip to be installed |
| 21:24.48 | lindi- | nicolas_: yeah, i remember this when i was choosing a new printer |
| 21:24.56 | lindi- | nicolas_: ended up buying samsung :) |
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| 21:25.06 | nicolas_ | they work well ? |
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| 21:25.45 | woodworks | hey, that reminds me does the new ink efficient kodak printers work w/ linux? debian esp? |
| 21:26.08 | nicolas_ | but do you think the windows driver reflashes the firmware when booting in ? |
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| 21:26.46 | lindi- | nicolas_: well ml-2010 works but it's very cheap |
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| 21:55.37 | Pnux | hey, my kde4 desktop/panels/widgets just died, whats the app in charge of those? |
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| 22:00.57 | dotCOMmie | Pnux: try: kquitapp plasma-desktop |
| 22:01.25 | dotCOMmie | and obviously you want to start it back up kstart plasma-desktop |
| 22:02.29 | Pnux | dotCOMmie: theres no plasma-desktop |
| 22:02.56 | dotCOMmie | Pnux: huh? |
| 22:03.11 | Pnux | and i got an aptitude segmentation fault while trying to install it |
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| 22:04.07 | dotCOMmie | did you try it again? and if you don't have plasma how do you expect it to work |
| 22:04.12 | Pnux | pnux@debian:~$ sudo aptitude Ouch! Got SIGSEGV, dying.. Segmentation fault |
| 22:04.23 | Pnux | it was working before |
| 22:05.00 | dotCOMmie | you use the aptitude UI? |
| 22:05.16 | dotCOMmie | try just "aptitude install" |
| 22:05.25 | Pnux | nop, but without UI i was getting seg fault |
| 22:05.59 | Pnux | everything ok except before "Reading task descriptions" |
| 22:06.13 | neoice | somewhat off-topic, but if I wanted to get the ABSOLUTE latest kernel (specifically this patch: https://patchwork.kernel.org/patch/100983/), is there a good spot for it? the kernel.org git repo is huge and hard to navigate |
| 22:06.14 | dotCOMmie | what version? |
| 22:07.15 | Pnux | 0.6.1.5-3 |
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| 22:07.54 | Pnux | i just made a big upgrade, so i guess i should reboot |
| 22:08.02 | dotCOMmie | doubt it will help |
| 22:08.17 | Pnux | yea, me too.. but gotta keep the hopes up |
| 22:08.38 | Pnux | if this fails, im not comming back to linux until 6.0 is released |
| 22:08.46 | dotCOMmie | Pnux: install aptitude-dbg run through gdb. |
| 22:09.17 | Pnux | E: Unable to locate package aptitude-gdb |
| 22:09.20 | dotCOMmie | file a bug with stack trace |
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| 22:09.41 | dotCOMmie | Pnux: what are you installing with? |
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| 22:10.07 | Pnux | aptitude, lol |
| 22:10.18 | dotCOMmie | didn't you say it segfaults? |
| 22:10.24 | Pnux | i was using show, not install though |
| 22:10.44 | dotCOMmie | install it manually with dpkg |
| 22:11.01 | Pnux | apt-get install cant also find that package |
| 22:11.27 | dotCOMmie | apt-get update or aptitude update |
| 22:11.46 | dotCOMmie | or install it manually by downloading the package |
| 22:12.02 | dotCOMmie | http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/aptitude-dbg |
| 22:12.07 | dotCOMmie | I dunno which arc you are on |
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| 22:12.34 | Pnux | oh this is giving me a headache, im on 686 |
| 22:13.11 | dotCOMmie | 64 or 32 bit? |
| 22:13.26 | Pnux | 32 |
| 22:13.35 | abrotman | Pnux: did you try to strace it ? |
| 22:14.08 | dotCOMmie | Pnux: dowload http://ftp.mx.debian.org/debian/pool/main/a/aptitude/aptitude-dbg_0.6.1.5-3_i386.deb and then do dpkg -i aptitude-dbg_0.6.1.5-3_i386.deb |
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| 22:15.00 | Pnux | abrotman: no i didnt, is strace used for debugging purposes? |
| 22:15.08 | Pnux | dotCOMmie: downloading |
| 22:15.21 | abrotman | Pnux: yes, and probably easier than using the -dbg |
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| 22:15.46 | dotCOMmie | abrotman: I gotta run can you help him get a stack trace? |
| 22:15.53 | Pnux | abrotman: i see |
| 22:16.01 | abrotman | i'd rather see him use strace first .. |
| 22:16.08 | Pnux | dotCOMmie: no worries, thanks for the help |
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| 22:17.56 | abrotman | Pnux: so instead of installing that .. do a 'strace aptitude' |
| 22:18.01 | abrotman | or wahtever command you were doing |
| 22:19.05 | Pnux | abrotman: i dont think im getting a useful output |
| 22:19.22 | abrotman | you might not think so .. |
| 22:19.26 | abrotman | try a pastebin |
| 22:19.38 | Pnux | and the fact that im still getting it after like 30 seconds |
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| 22:21.36 | Pnux | it never stops, just keeps on going |
| 22:22.16 | abrotman | what command was it segfaulting on, and what command diud you strace ? |
| 22:22.36 | Pnux | abrotman: aptitude/aptitude install |
| 22:22.41 | Pnux | i straced aptitude |
| 22:22.55 | abrotman | you should have straced whatever command was segfaulting |
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| 22:26.04 | abrotman | Pnux: ? |
| 22:26.39 | Pnux | abrotman: i was figuring out how to save it the output to a file |
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| 22:30.28 | engla | hi everyone. finally with gstreamer plugins "bad" from unstable, and epiphany, Youtube is working and flash-free(!) |
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| 22:43.46 | multi_io | how do I find the process that causes "device is busy" on umount? |
| 22:43.47 | qwd | engla: whoa! gotta give it a try |
| 22:43.58 | multi_io | fuser /mountpoint shows nothing |
| 22:44.25 | multi_io | ..as does ls -l /proc/*/fd/ | grep mountpoint |
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| 22:48.23 | engla | qwd: I think you have to log in & go to http://youtube.com/html5 to enable the beta features |
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| 22:48.46 | engla | multi_io: lsof? |
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| 22:49.47 | qwd | engla: yeah I did, with Iceweasel :) Now I noticed you said Epiphany. Works great! Hope Iceweasel gets support for that too |
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| 22:51.28 | multi_io | engla: no output with lsof | grep /mountpoint or lsof +d /mountpoint |
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| 22:53.21 | Tramp | +D maybe |
| 22:53.35 | engla | what is missing for iceweasel to support this? |
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| 22:59.59 | holycow | does anyone know how to change the root openldap account passwd when the passwds are stored in a db? |
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| 23:03.28 | vampi | hi guys. i'm having trouble with the atl1e network driver. it seems that an ubuntu live cd detects and uses the on-board Atheros network card, but my installed debian doesn't. Up until now i've been using a pci network card, but i pulled it out and started using the on-board card. |
| 23:04.02 | vampi | lsmod shows that the atl1e driver is loaded (in debian) and the little LEDs are blinking, but ifconfig shows only loopback and ifup eth0 gives an error |
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| 23:04.27 | vampi | kernel is 2.6.32-i386 or something like that |
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| 23:05.37 | vampi | 2.6.32-3-686 |
| 23:05.52 | vampi | any ideas? |
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| 23:07.34 | Tramp | vampi: iwconfig / wpa_supplicant |
| 23:09.01 | vampi | iwconfig, isn't that for wireless? this is a wired card |
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| 23:09.37 | vampi | it's an ethernet card |
| 23:10.00 | vampi | ah, nevermind, you guys aren't any help |
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| 23:10.06 | Tramp | oh, sorry ... read Atheros and was assuming ... nvm |
| 23:10.48 | goose | I'm having a wonderful raging time trying to get oidentd to work... it's installed, I've edit /etc/oidentd.conf properly, ps says it's running, it's a VPS, so there aren't any port forwarding issues |
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| 23:11.24 | toolbear | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:12.46 | goose | toolbear: does "ls -a" confirm the file is there? |
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| 23:13.58 | toolbear | goose: nope. i do have an .ICEauthority, though, but i doubt that will help |
| 23:14.15 | goose | Well, if the file doesn't exist, then you can't copy it :p |
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| 23:14.52 | toolbear | goose: is there no way to generate one? |
| 23:15.10 | goose | I have no idea. What are you trying to do, exactly? |
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| 23:15.35 | marcela | hi everybody. greetings from venezuela XD |
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| 23:16.01 | themill | toolbear: precisely which version of debian is this? |
| 23:16.08 | qwd | Does anyone know if the target for Squeeze is still Iceweasel 3.5 or is there a chance we'll see 3.6? |
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| 23:16.49 | toolbear | goose, themill: nevermind, i found out that there's an "xauth" command. if you do "xauth list" when there's no xauthority file then it creates one |
| 23:17.29 | toolbear | themill: and this is ubuntu, btw. i just figured it's close enough to debian (i already tried asking in #ubuntu) |
| 23:17.46 | themill | toolbear: I know... please use #ubuntu for ubuntu support. |
| 23:18.46 | tyche | toolbear: Another resource is your local LoCo |
| 23:18.49 | Tramp | and even there they probably don't like crossposting |
| 23:19.47 | toolbear | tyche: what is LoCo? |
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| 23:20.24 | tyche | Local Community. It's what Ubuntu calls the area divisions. |
| 23:20.28 | toolbear | themill: ok, i will keep that in mind. sorry! |
| 23:20.40 | toolbear | tyche: ah, ok. i will check into that. thanks! |
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| 23:23.17 | qwd | back in may 3 the iceweasel maintainer said 3.6 won't be in squeeze, hope they reconsider now that webm is out. would be a shame not to have it in squeeze :( |
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| 23:31.50 | chomwitt | when i insert a cdrom in debian sqeeze, kde 4.4.3 , /media/cdrom shows always as contents some other files . |
| 23:33.44 | lindi- | chomwitt: please paste the output of "cat /proc/mounts" to pastebin.com |
| 23:34.45 | djura-san | im off the chat. bais people :) |
| 23:35.14 | chomwitt | lindi-: http://debian.pastebin.com/2VQ5xXA3 |
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| 23:36.24 | chomwitt | lindi-: sorry , paste it twice |
| 23:36.39 | lindi- | chomwitt: that does not list /media/cdrom at all |
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| 23:36.45 | chomwitt | lindi-: it's up to line 19 |
| 23:37.00 | lindi- | chomwitt: line 19 is "19. binfmt_misc /proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc binfmt_misc rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,relatime 0 0" |
| 23:37.01 | jalalsfs | I have a problem with apt-get! |
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| 23:40.05 | chomwitt | lindi-: i paste also fstab ,http://debian.pastebin.com/MaAEPC1v |
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| 23:41.52 | lindi- | chomwitt: i don't think i can help you more. i do not know what is supposed to mount cdrom automatically under kde. my guess is hal has something to do with it |
| 23:42.15 | chomwitt | ok . |
| 23:42.36 | chomwitt | lindi-: thanks for listening anyway. |
| 23:43.36 | jalalsfs | I have a problem with my apt-get! |
| 23:44.18 | jalalsfs | It's not update or install. |
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| 23:47.38 | Bushmills | best thing you could do is probably to fix it |
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| 23:50.42 | wnight | Running ldd /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6.0.13 returns version `GCC_4.2.0' not found ... - what might be wrong? |
| 23:50.56 | enferex | Hello, I need to get a 64-bit debian USB image? Is that the amd64 version? |
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| 23:57.14 | tyche | enferex: amd64 is the 64 bit. |
| 23:57.20 | enferex | Ah ok thanks |
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