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| 00:02.36 | marcela | hi everybody. What would u recommend me in order to restore a debian server after a hardware or software failure? fai? clonezilla? |
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| 00:03.39 | nsadmin | well first replace the failed hardware... |
| 00:04.15 | marcela | nsadmin, of course |
| 00:05.01 | nsadmin | but the most obvious way to -restore- is to plan by backing up (1) the whole storage which includes (2) the pertinent data which you either serve or generate |
| 00:05.04 | marcela | nsadmin, but after that I need to recover the system. One of the sysadmins at my job says that we should use clonezilla because is simmilar to HPUX ignite |
| 00:05.30 | nsadmin | is this for your job? |
| 00:05.45 | marcela | nsadmin, yeap its for real servers |
| 00:06.00 | dvs | nsadmin: he's asking what software package to use to do the restore |
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| 00:06.20 | marcela | dvs, "she" marcela is a female name |
| 00:06.23 | nsadmin | ok, so given you have another person with real experience with clonezilla, I'd recommend going with that or at least trying it |
| 00:06.33 | dvs | marcela: my bad |
| 00:06.46 | marcela | dvs, no problem :D |
| 00:07.24 | nsadmin | having said that, I would also recommend expanding your knowledge by trying fai during a time of NONemergency |
| 00:08.06 | famas | well, is debian still alive? |
| 00:08.13 | nsadmin | famas: are you? |
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| 00:08.57 | nsadmin | *spoken with about the same level of toungincheekness* |
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| 00:12.51 | mr_danie1 | marcela: maybe a virtualizsation solution with Xen or other; create+install+configure a new guest with the software+configuration you need for production, and then safe the image; whenever something goes wrong like an attack or a hardware failure, you can always take the image bring up a new system within minutes |
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| 00:13.44 | marcela | mr_danie1, thats a good sugestion. Suposing the failure is on the guest operating system. Thanx |
| 00:14.03 | enferex | Is there an easy way to update all my packages on debian? |
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| 00:14.57 | enferex | apt-get upgrade I suppose :-) |
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| 00:16.17 | marcela | enferex, aptitude dist-upgrade |
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| 00:16.29 | enferex | marcela: Thanks |
| 00:16.44 | marcela | eneas, u're welcome |
| 00:16.49 | marcela | *wellcome |
| 00:16.51 | enferex | I want a distribution adequate for developers, and with a community that wont flame. |
| 00:17.21 | enferex | I take it that debian is the right choice (switching from a different distro for the past 8 years) |
| 00:19.16 | dvs | enferex: cant guarantee that the community won't flame. ;-) |
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| 00:22.18 | enferex | dvs: true |
| 00:22.24 | enferex | but is it a good hacker community? |
| 00:22.36 | nsadmin | marcela my thing -personally- is you should hold backups of entire systems and the data that's on the machine |
| 00:22.53 | nsadmin | and know how to make the backups and -especially- know how to restore them |
| 00:23.40 | marcela | nsadmin, what do u use for entire-system backups? |
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| 00:24.39 | nsadmin | mostly tar (if you mean software); as far as media I'm not sure what gives you the longest lasting backups per buck |
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| 00:25.53 | dvs | enferex: define "hacker" |
| 00:26.14 | dvs | enferex: they mostly want to do things the "proper way" |
| 00:26.19 | nsadmin | one which hacks? |
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| 00:26.47 | dvs | nsadmin: some people confuse "hacker" with "cracker" |
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| 00:28.00 | famas | i don't like to listen to chink's cliche |
| 00:28.43 | nsadmin | marcela, I'm munching atm :) anyway, I'm looking at these 1tb tape drives with a curiousity about reliability... they're about $3k/pop so it's a bit out of individual reach |
| 00:29.15 | famas | who doesn't own a 1-tb hdd nowadays? |
| 00:29.30 | marcela | nsadmin, nice tip |
| 00:30.41 | nsadmin | also most of my machines (not just servers) have a lot of partitions, so I create a tarball per partition |
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| 00:31.25 | enferex | I need to get the testing iso since it should have the newer drivers I need for my network card. Can I build a stable release with the testing iso? |
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| 00:34.54 | dvs | enferex: no |
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| 00:36.45 | nsadmin | you could install stable and get a backports kernel (which will be newer most of the time) |
| 00:36.59 | enferex | nsadmin: How do I do that? |
| 00:37.08 | enferex | How can I install stable with a newer kernel? |
| 00:37.09 | dvs | nsadmin: the stable kernel won't allow him to install |
| 00:37.18 | dvs | (or is he a she?) |
| 00:37.22 | enferex | im a he |
| 00:37.26 | dvs | phew |
| 00:38.05 | nsadmin | I am he as youare he as youare me |
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| 00:38.25 | famas | you are talking to yourself |
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| 00:38.27 | dvs | you see? |
| 00:38.39 | famas | no |
| 00:38.47 | enferex | nsadmin: How can I install stable using a newer kernel? |
| 00:38.52 | nsadmin | famas: singing actually |
| 00:38.56 | ryan-c | is there some environment variable or command line option to control what video mode X comes up in? |
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| 00:39.07 | dvs | !kmoto |
| 00:39.25 | dvs | what's that factoid again? |
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| 00:39.57 | nsadmin | enfernex: I didn't get your whole initial situation... -generally- and -hopefully- you can install with newer media but... what is it you have? |
| 00:40.04 | nsadmin | !kmuto |
| 00:40.04 | dpkg | For Debian Lenny installers with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ . The <bnx2> and <bnx2x> firmware files for Linux 2.6.32 are included in 0116 images. |
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| 00:40.19 | dvs | that's the one! |
| 00:40.33 | enferex | nsadmin: dvs: thanks |
| 00:40.38 | dvs | np |
| 00:40.57 | nsadmin | is it a net card you can't get working? or which? |
| 00:42.26 | enferex | nsadmin: ethernet card |
| 00:42.32 | nsadmin | ok |
| 00:42.41 | nsadmin | which kernel would you need? |
| 00:42.51 | enferex | 2.27+ |
| 00:42.57 | enferex | 2.6.27+ |
| 00:43.00 | enferex | not 2.6.26 |
| 00:43.02 | enferex | heh |
| 00:43.08 | nsadmin | so anything later |
| 00:43.13 | nsadmin | , kernels |
| 00:43.15 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.34-1-686 (2.6.34-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-13); squeeze: 2.6.32-3-686 (2.6.32-9); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.4-686 (2.6.32-11~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-22lenny1); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
| 00:43.38 | dvs | enferex: kmuto has 2.6.32 |
| 00:43.54 | enferex | dvs: and im downloading it now :-) |
| 00:43.59 | nsadmin | so maybe a kmuto netinstall |
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| 00:44.07 | enferex | nsadmin: uppers |
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| 00:45.02 | enferex | er yuppers not uppers :-) |
| 00:45.18 | dvs | prefers "uppers" ;0( |
| 00:45.39 | enferex | heheeh |
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| 00:47.11 | nsadmin | marcela, maybe the area you were thinking of originally is stated by the question "How can I clone a debian which exists and is working now so that later the clone could simply be swapped in upon failure" |
| 00:47.48 | marcela | nsadmin, thats a good aproach and yes, thats what I want to do |
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| 00:50.14 | nsadmin | not sure what the front ends are like, but looking at some fai rulefiles suggest to me that you'd want to start with a description of a clone, feed it to one of these things, have it produce two, and test the dogcrap out of them... then put one into service, let the other lay in wait, and patpat the clone description which allows you to make more |
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| 00:51.32 | nsadmin | both fai and clonezilla should have the ability to partition drives |
| 00:51.59 | nsadmin | it seems that the initial effort will take a lot of work creating the description and testing clones built out of it |
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| 00:55.47 | `Assassin | What's so great about Debian anyways? |
| 00:56.01 | nsadmin | that it has a web site? |
| 00:56.09 | manchot | which file stores the sshd server fingerprint? |
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| 00:56.53 | nsadmin | `Assassin: seriously.. what are you looking for? |
| 00:57.00 | homerj | real men who solve real problems use Debian |
| 00:57.15 | `Assassin | I'm searching for enlightenment on the positives of using Debian. |
| 00:57.35 | nsadmin | what would you like to do with it first? |
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| 00:58.03 | `Assassin | Hmm. I'd like to customize it to the max. |
| 00:58.15 | Guest35673 | To the max! |
| 00:58.18 | `Assassin | I'd like to strip components for efficiency possibly. |
| 00:58.20 | nsadmin | well you can do that with anything |
| 00:58.22 | homerj | To the max! |
| 00:58.29 | homerj | you can do it |
| 00:58.31 | homerj | TO THE MAX |
| 00:58.39 | Guest35673 | Hell yeah, motherfucker. |
| 00:58.39 | nsadmin | ta the box! |
| 00:58.40 | `Assassin | nsadmin, yes but does it provide tools to make doing so easier? |
| 00:58.44 | Guest35673 | homerj knows what's up. |
| 00:59.40 | nsadmin | not sure... I'd say it provides what most dists provide. debian is focused more on making sure things work very very reliably, especially in a server environment |
| 00:59.52 | `Assassin | Is Debian fast by default? |
| 01:00.05 | Guest35673 | `Assassin, let me explain it like this. |
| 01:00.16 | Guest35673 | Debian is for people who smoke weed and pound vag. |
| 01:00.59 | Guest35673 | Take, for example, homerj. |
| 01:01.01 | nsadmin | it's not a gentoo, and the convential wisdom within debian is there is a very limited number of apps that need to be compiled with specific flags so they are faster |
| 01:01.04 | Guest35673 | That guy gets more ass than a toilet seat. |
| 01:01.49 | nsadmin | the kernel itself being one of the few. |
| 01:01.50 | `Assassin | How long does it take for a default Debian to boot? |
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| 01:02.42 | Seann | What's so great about Debian anyways? |
| 01:02.44 | nsadmin | that depends on the machine... but my p4 laptop boots in about 30-40 secs after loading kernel and initrd from usb drive |
| 01:03.14 | Guest35673 | I gots a question for all yall debian people. |
| 01:03.21 | nsadmin | Seann, <`Assassin> What's so great about Debian anyways? |
| 01:03.28 | Seann | wtf |
| 01:03.42 | nsadmin | that would be my question. |
| 01:03.43 | Guest35673 | Let's say I had a bitch at my house, and I wanted to get her from to my bed. |
| 01:04.02 | Guest35673 | But she's all "I gotta check my e-mail" |
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| 01:04.06 | nsadmin | looks like you don't know which way your ass is pointing. to or from? |
| 01:04.18 | Guest35673 | What's going to get her to my bed faster, Debian or Windows? |
| 01:04.35 | nsadmin | Guest35673: neither. bradp.com |
| 01:04.59 | nsadmin | go there, get coached, get laid, nuff said. |
| 01:05.11 | Seann | Nsadmin is nice. |
| 01:05.23 | Guest35673 | Bitch, I dun need no tips on getting the ladies. |
| 01:05.25 | manchot | how can I know the fingerprint of the SSH server? |
| 01:05.36 | nsadmin | then why are you asking? |
| 01:05.47 | Seann | She needs to check her email. |
| 01:05.57 | nsadmin | it's a shit test |
| 01:06.03 | Guest35673 | Yeah, which is going to get her off the email and on the me faster? |
| 01:06.04 | ryan-c | manchot: /etc/ssh/ssh_host_*_key* |
| 01:06.05 | nsadmin | to see how you handle her |
| 01:06.10 | Guest35673 | Debian or Windows? |
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| 01:06.18 | nsadmin | windows |
| 01:06.42 | nsadmin | and if it doesn't, you can spend $150/hour complaining to tech support |
| 01:07.15 | Seann | [PS]Samantha is pretty. |
| 01:07.29 | `Assassin | You don't have to give me actual numbers from your personal hardware. I'm asking how it does in comparison to other distros. |
| 01:07.37 | nsadmin | but the truth is, her checking her email is a -shit test- |
| 01:07.49 | nsadmin | she doesn't want to check her email |
| 01:07.56 | manchot | ryan-c, I cat the keys, but I didn't see the fingerprint string. |
| 01:07.57 | Corrine | either its online email, and its the same either way |
| 01:08.08 | nsadmin | she wants to see how you handle the fact she tells yo that |
| 01:08.13 | Corrine | or she needs a local client, and its a PITA either way |
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| 01:08.44 | Guest35673 | Oh, I see. |
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| 01:09.11 | manchot | ryan-c, where is private keys and pub keys under /etc/ssh? |
| 01:09.24 | nsadmin | `Assassin: the basic deal is either you're a man or you're a pussy... if you let her check her email without handling the interruption, guess which one you are... |
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| 01:12.06 | Guest35673 | Aight, I see what yall sayin' I'ma go tell a bitch how it is. |
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| 01:13.38 | Seann | Stupid Windows. |
| 01:16.06 | ScottG | Does anyone know the package I should get to be able to sync appearance settings between kde and gnome? |
| 01:17.15 | `Assassin | nsadmin, why did you address that statement to me? |
| 01:17.48 | Seann | Because you're a faggot. |
| 01:17.54 | Seann | No, just kidding. |
| 01:17.57 | Seann | Carry on. |
| 01:18.58 | `Assassin | People who stalk me from other networks are probably more guilty of faggotry. |
| 01:19.22 | Seann | NO U |
| 01:19.38 | nsadmin | so that you could get the thing you never expected... actual value you could use RIGHT NOW and we could get on with our lives (this is a debian support channel) |
| 01:20.01 | craigevil | ScottG: gtk2-engines-qtcurve or gtk-qt-engine |
| 01:20.02 | nsadmin | so I cut to the chase and called out what was what |
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| 01:20.21 | `Assassin | If this is a debian support channel, you have to explain how debian will support me. |
| 01:20.44 | nsadmin | oh, excellent. so you want to set up a support contract with me |
| 01:21.13 | enferex | nsadmin: Thanks, yeah the backport did the trick |
| 01:21.28 | nsadmin | otherwise "you have to <anything>" would put you in the "full of shit" category :) |
| 01:22.39 | nsadmin | so do I get to hear you say I have to do anything else? |
| 01:23.26 | ScottG | craigevil: What are the differences? |
| 01:23.33 | `Assassin | What's so great about Debian anyways? So far you said it's stable and good for servers. Anything else? |
| 01:23.40 | enferex | nsadmin: Is there a way to download source aptitude packeages and have them build when I do like an apt upgrade? |
| 01:23.57 | enferex | `Assassin: What distro do you favor? |
| 01:24.25 | `Assassin | I'm currently using Crunchbang and favoring it mostly because I'm using it. |
| 01:24.27 | craigevil | !tell `Assassin about why debian |
| 01:24.42 | nsadmin | why do they call it crunchbang? |
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| 01:26.25 | `Assassin | This isn't the Crunchbang channel. |
| 01:26.34 | `Assassin | Thank you craigevil. |
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| 01:26.59 | nsadmin | why are you looking to switch? |
| 01:27.16 | `Assassin | Some dude keeps telling me Debian is awesome or something. |
| 01:27.22 | Seann | lol |
| 01:27.46 | axi | freebsd is better. |
| 01:27.49 | nsadmin | he's playing dist war with you |
| 01:28.11 | enferex | Wait, crunchbang is ubuntu based, and we know that Ubuntu is debian based..... |
| 01:28.14 | nsadmin | but he has something to like about it just as you have what you like |
| 01:28.32 | axi | but ubuntu has that newbie stigma attached to it |
| 01:28.33 | nsadmin | so it's based on based on debian :) |
| 01:28.37 | homerj | yeah, going to run a distro, go to the source |
| 01:29.05 | axi | so, those who want to convey a professional image may use debian or fedora! |
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| 01:29.14 | nsadmin | well you would need people who actually want to work on the source for -your- dist |
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| 01:29.31 | nsadmin | otherwise you get to do it all by yourself |
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| 01:30.15 | nsadmin | or fail to do so... and at that point you don't even have any idea what the quality of your dist is |
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| 01:37.11 | nsadmin | `Assassin, a coupla things... first, if you have a spare machine, try it... and second, looking back at my logs I did misaddress comments at you that were actually meant for Guestwhatever |
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| 01:43.47 | Seann | Damn Windows... |
| 01:44.11 | nsadmin | windows giving you problems? |
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| 01:45.28 | homerj | curtains |
| 01:45.31 | homerj | that usually helps |
| 01:46.09 | Seann | I see what you did there. Want to be friends? |
| 01:46.22 | homerj | is your name Lewis Hamilton? |
| 01:46.31 | Seann | Yes. Yes it is. |
| 01:46.50 | homerj | then no |
| 01:46.52 | homerj | you suck |
| 01:47.11 | Seann | I lied. |
| 01:47.17 | Seann | My name is actually Sean. |
| 01:47.20 | homerj | no, you already said it was |
| 01:47.21 | Seann | omg |
| 01:47.29 | Seann | Prove it |
| 01:48.12 | Seann | Do you guys think I have a chance with [PS]Samantha? She is pretty. |
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| 01:48.38 | nsadmin | not as long as you're thinking anything like that |
| 01:48.48 | Seann | Like what? |
| 01:49.07 | nsadmin | "do you think I have a chance" and "she is pretty" |
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| 01:49.32 | nsadmin | both mindframes give her the power |
| 01:49.50 | nsadmin | so you're giving her the power and then you're giving her the power |
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| 01:50.23 | Seann | She deserves the power. I am nothing, and she is the world to me. |
| 01:50.27 | `Assassin | That's right. You teach him how to grow some balls. |
| 01:50.30 | Seann | I want her to be happy. |
| 01:50.55 | nsadmin | if she's female, she's not going to be, with those mindsets |
| 01:51.04 | Seann | :( |
| 01:51.22 | Seann | I will do whatever it takes to make her happy. |
| 01:51.28 | Seann | Give me some advice. |
| 01:51.29 | homerj | you're not a man |
| 01:51.36 | `Assassin | Seann, I know of some herbal supplements that will boost your testosterone levels and maybe make you less of a woman. |
| 01:51.37 | homerj | women like men |
| 01:51.49 | nsadmin | it's better if you do whatever it takes to make YOU happy |
| 01:51.59 | nsadmin | look at it this way: |
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| 01:52.24 | nsadmin | if you give her attention she doesn't expect, she will be surprised |
| 01:52.32 | homerj | and probably call the police |
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| 01:52.44 | nsadmin | part of the surprise reaction will be "why do I deserve this attention" |
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| 01:53.28 | nsadmin | and if her own answer to herself is "I've done nothing to deserve this attention, you get placed into a special place in her heart... |
| 01:53.30 | nsadmin | called |
| 01:53.32 | nsadmin | creepyville |
| 01:54.01 | nsadmin | which could lead to what homerj just said |
| 01:54.25 | Seann | What if she thinks: "Hey, Sean must really love me. I want to spend my life with him"? |
| 01:54.39 | nsadmin | what is your present relation with her? |
| 01:55.21 | nsadmin | if you were to ask her that question, what do you think she might say? |
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| 01:56.28 | craigevil | since when did #debian become "tips on dating"? |
| 01:56.35 | craigevil | !offtopic |
| 01:56.35 | dpkg | A little off-topic conversation is okay here and there, but not too much, and not when the channel's busy, and not if it's your primary reason for being here. Please join #debian-offtopic |
| 01:57.01 | Seann | Is nsadmin there? |
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| 01:58.20 | Seann | He's not. :( |
| 01:58.47 | nsadmin | I'm actually not... but... you might check out... amp, mehow, vince kelvin |
| 02:00.12 | nsadmin | the frame of mind you want is NOT "I sacrifice all my happiness to make her happy" but "I am curious about this girl... let's find out what's up with her" |
| 02:01.39 | nsadmin | unless you are ready to work VERY hard and VERY fast, bradp is not for you |
| 02:02.55 | nsadmin | after that... I wish you the best of luck, you're goign to have to take charge of your life and especially your education |
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| 02:04.00 | jordanm | nsadmin: I realize the channel is not active ATM... but man... pm or off-topic for that |
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| 02:04.41 | nsadmin | as craigevil says, it's off topic here, I only brought it up to get people handled and -out- with something they can use immediately... one final thought: the common thread, the one thing that makes all the difference, is GO OUT and MEET PEOPLE every day/night for the next year |
| 02:05.45 | kisisten | hmm, is there a way to play avi files in debian over the network without copying the file first? |
| 02:07.25 | vsmatck | kisisten: Like from a windows file share source? |
| 02:07.47 | kisisten | vsmatck: sure |
| 02:08.07 | vsmatck | If your player supports gnome-vfs (like totem) then it'll work. Except I don't like totem. |
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| 02:08.13 | kisisten | windows media player begins to stream when i double click |
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| 02:08.27 | vsmatck | You can also mount the share. I find this works best for me. |
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| 02:08.36 | kisisten | vsmatck: i'm on kde |
| 02:08.48 | nsadmin | windows media player? this is on windows? |
| 02:08.49 | kisisten | nfs? |
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| 02:09.08 | kisisten | nsadmin: it was a comparison |
| 02:09.14 | nsadmin | oic |
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| 02:09.53 | vsmatck | NFS or samba would work for this. Anything which will make the share appear to the movie player as a regular directory. |
| 02:10.30 | kisisten | odd |
| 02:10.37 | vsmatck | If it's a windows share then you can "mount -t cifs //192.167... /mnt/movies" |
| 02:11.01 | shazbotmcnasty | how do I set the size of the font and the resolution in a tty? |
| 02:11.09 | kisisten | vsmatck: got it, why is windows can do this direct? |
| 02:11.11 | shazbotmcnasty | would I have to add still to grub? |
| 02:11.14 | jordanm | probably need -o user=foo,password=bar though |
| 02:11.56 | nsadmin | shazbotmcnasty, those things would be set in the program that emulated that tty |
| 02:12.13 | jordanm | shazbotmcnasty: http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Framebuffer . only difference is, when you edit menu.lst, edit the commented defopts= and then generate a new menu.lst with update-grub |
| 02:12.22 | vsmatck | kisisten: Just better support in windows. There are people working on making this more transparent on GNU/Linux. |
| 02:12.42 | shazbotmcnasty | jordanm, do you also do support in #grub? |
| 02:14.35 | jordanm | shazbotmcnasty: nope |
| 02:14.50 | jordanm | shazbotmcnasty: that method only applies to debian |
| 02:14.51 | kisisten | vsmatck: jordanm thanks guys |
| 02:15.10 | shazbotmcnasty | oh okay, just wondering |
| 02:15.12 | shazbotmcnasty | and k |
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| 02:21.10 | dhaivat | how can I extract the debian ISO and look around? (on linux of course) |
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| 02:22.26 | mnuhmnuh | dhaivat: mount -o loop ? |
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| 02:22.58 | dhaivat | mnuhmnuh: how does mount know what filename I want? |
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| 02:25.25 | mnuhmnuh | dhaivat: you ought to be able to mount /dev/hdc on any dir you want. -o loop tells it to use loopback mode. man mount. |
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| 02:28.36 | sakrhass | if you I want to add bootsplash to debian .. I have to patch the kernel right? |
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| 02:32.31 | mnuhmnuh | dhaivat: ignore me. i've just re-read manpage; no help. if you can cp /dev/hdc /somewhere/sumfin.iso, that you can mount w -o loop |
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| 02:34.36 | zebradog | dhaivat, a mountpoint is an empty directory at first, the empty directory becomes a mountpoint after the mount command (->eg: mount -t auto /dev/<DEV> /mnt/toThisDirMountPoint ) |
| 02:35.34 | zebradog | dhaivat, for special mounts, like not using "/dev", as the source device, but working with a binary copy of a cd or something, you need to use the loopback option |
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| 02:36.41 | mnuhmnuh | zebradog: thx. I was just trying to figure out how to say that. |
| 02:38.52 | nomende | i am still having both gnome and kde stuffs in my system. how to completely get rid of kde? i thought i have removed all kde stuff. but when i want to upgrade, i notice that kdebase-data and kdelib5-data will be upgraded. |
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| 02:40.25 | mnuhmnuh | nomende: best is not to install it in the first place. de-select the Desktop Option on install. |
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| 02:41.32 | mnuhmnuh | nomende: then you'll have to use startx && your wm |
| 02:41.36 | nomende | i started off with kde in testing. when testing goes from lenny to squeeze, it defaults to gnome, without getting rid of kde. |
| 02:41.45 | subopt | Is there a fast file manager for Linux that has a file indexer like Finder in OSX? (and maybe tagging, too). |
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| 02:42.24 | mnuhmnuh | subopt: git is growing on me. :-) |
| 02:42.43 | zebradog | subopt, beagle, (os x's finder is not spotlight) |
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| 02:43.24 | zebradog | subopt, there are X of them.. there's also the classical shell and gui-front ends to the locate command |
| 02:44.13 | zebradog | subopt, if its not debian specific you should ask in #linux |
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| 03:15.01 | blankthemuffin | I figure this is the best place to ask, is there any particular reason games get their own directories? /usr/games /usr/share/games /var/games etc? |
| 03:15.27 | ryan-c | blankthemuffin: Historical reasons, mostly. |
| 03:15.44 | nsadmin | perhaps stated in FHS documentation |
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| 03:16.28 | blankthemuffin | It's not really stated, that's where I was looking. all the other ones are listed as referring to '/usr/games' and it itself is just shown as an optional directory |
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| 03:17.19 | blankthemuffin | but I suppose it's best to just use it anyway |
| 03:17.21 | \amethyst | keeping games out of root's path might be one reason for /usr/games being separate from /usr/bin |
| 03:17.35 | \amethyst | though I agree it's mostly history from BSD |
| 03:18.17 | nsadmin | heaven forbid root playing hunt the wumpus all day long... |
| 03:18.29 | blankthemuffin | "/var/games has been given a hierarchy of its own, rather than leaving it merged in with the old /var/lib as in release 1.2. The separation allows local control of backup strategies, permissions, and disk usage, as well as allowing inter-host sharing and reducing clutter in /var/lib. Additionally, /var/games is the path traditionally used by BSD." Yeah |
| 03:18.47 | blankthemuffin | I presume this is basically applied to all the games directories. |
| 03:19.05 | ryan-c | Really, that should be tradition as the main reason :p |
| 03:19.15 | blankthemuffin | :) |
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| 03:23.25 | blankthemuffin | out of curiosity what would you do to package, say a CMake built application? Would you scrap cmake and throw autotools over it? or just emit makefiles and use those as a basis? |
| 03:27.05 | ryan-c | blankthemuffin: The lazy way is to use checkinstall |
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| 03:27.57 | ryan-c | blankthemuffin: http://asic-linux.com.mx/~izto/checkinstall/ |
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| 03:31.24 | manchot | are there any tools to test debian networking stability? |
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| 03:33.15 | manchot | or if there is good server monitoring tools? |
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| 03:38.33 | blankthemuffin | so, I've made a game say. At the moment it has all the data hidden around the place in the working directory. Debian picks up my game and installs everything where it should go. Now obviously the paths are all wrong. Do distros generally just change all these paths manually, or is there a system in place that I the game writer should be using to make this easy for all players involved? |
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| 03:41.12 | mnuhmnuh | !fhs |
| 03:41.12 | dpkg | Debian follows the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard. The filesystem is categorized by purpose, not application. This allows, for example, the easy and efficient deployment of a read-only /usr area across a number of thin clients. See http://www.pathname.com/fhs/ or install the 'debian-policy' package (/usr/share/doc/debian-policy/fhs/*), or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard |
| 03:42.11 | blankthemuffin | if that was directed at me mnuhmnuh, yes I know that. But it's not what I was asking. |
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| 04:00.17 | enferex | Ahhh, just installed debian, but now hwen I boot I get a "can't locate init" |
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| 04:02.40 | vsmatck | blankthemuffin: Hmm, if your game looked at the environment to get paths to it's resource directories it'd be easier for a debian packager to get at. They could have a launch script for the game which defined the path env variables instead of having to change hard-coded paths. |
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| 04:03.22 | enferex | Debian does support ext4 right? |
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| 04:03.53 | vsmatck | blankthemuffin: I've observed that some linux games do this. Like I'm looking at my unreal tournament 2004 launch script and it defines UT2004_DATA_PATH. |
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| 04:04.02 | blankthemuffin | It seems to me like there should be some communication between package and application. Since they are intrinsically linked after all. |
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| 04:05.21 | blankthemuffin | some package system independent way for it to say 'yo here is where i put xxx files'. I don't really like playing with the environment but I suppose it's the best way. |
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| 04:05.28 | vsmatck | blankthemuffin: The file structure is pretty well defined. Stuff should generally go in the same places on all posix systems. |
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| 04:05.59 | blankthemuffin | yeah of course, but the problem is I like things to work on all systems, not just posix ones. |
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| 04:11.40 | nsadmin | blankthemuffin: things can work, but when you include all systems, then you have to include the possibility that "working" will take different forms on different system types |
| 04:12.05 | nsadmin | having said that, you're talking about portability which is one of many holy grails |
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| 04:12.57 | blankthemuffin | are you reading what I'm writing nsadmin :) I'm talking about how to best achieve those different forms without changing preferably anything in my codebase. |
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| 04:15.28 | nsadmin | if you have your codebase factored properly/conveniently, it makes things easier... higher level functionality should not change, and things at lower levels could take the form of swappable drivers |
| 04:16.30 | blankthemuffin | yes I know this, I know how to write platform agnostic code. It's the bits where I have to interface with packaging and dependencies that I'm interested in. |
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| 04:17.39 | nsadmin | your code shouldn't care where files are located... this should be configurable, and this should be an integral part of your codebase |
| 04:17.55 | vsmatck | Seems like with paths you're likely to have a base path. Where all paths your game needs are of the form <base path>+<relative path>. Example <base path> = "/usr/share/" and relative path can equal "sound/foo.wav" or "texture/bar.png". So you should only need some #ifdefs, or some way to set the base path differently on different systems. |
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| 04:18.36 | nsadmin | once you have that, then packaging becomes easier and applying and adhering to debian standards and policies becomes possible/easier |
| 04:18.43 | vsmatck | Windows is the easy case. Base path generally is set to "". |
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| 04:18.47 | blankthemuffin | Yeah but a base path like that doesn't really work so well. Since depending on the system to package properly you're going to have different files in different places. |
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| 04:19.00 | blankthemuffin | you need multiple base paths really |
| 04:19.30 | enferex | Ok, so how often is debian updated? |
| 04:19.31 | vsmatck | You'd need to have a way for the user (the packager) to easily set the base path. Like require they define it in the environment with a launch script. |
| 04:19.51 | enferex | Suppose I install and want a newer package or kernel, do updates get pushed out? |
| 04:19.59 | nsadmin | lots of programs implement this with an executable normally used at build time which is built when the code is built, and when run, it tells where everything is located |
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| 04:20.43 | vsmatck | nsadmin: This is a good point. I didn't think of that. |
| 04:20.46 | nsadmin | if you have postgresql installed, and the -dev of its libs, there should be an executable called pg_config |
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| 04:21.12 | enferex | I guess, my question is, how frequent are software package updates in Debian. It seems Lenny is pretty old. |
| 04:21.34 | nsadmin | it's at least used to tell sub-builds where the base libs are |
| 04:21.41 | nsadmin | and headers |
| 04:21.49 | vsmatck | enferex: Lenny only gets security updates. It doesn't get any new versions of software. |
| 04:22.09 | enferex | vsmatck: So how do I stay uptodate? |
| 04:22.29 | nsadmin | enferex: lack of motion as this suggests contributes strongly to stability\ |
| 04:22.36 | vsmatck | enferex: Probably don't use debian if you want to stay up to date on the latest releases. |
| 04:23.04 | enferex | vsmatck: suggestion then? |
| 04:23.06 | vsmatck | enferex: There are GNU/Linux distributions with rolling release cycles that are good for getting all the latest stuff. I've heard gentoo is like this. |
| 04:23.13 | vsmatck | But I have NO personal experience with it. |
| 04:23.20 | enferex | ah ok |
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| 04:23.57 | enferex | vsmatck: But dont packages get added and updated? |
| 04:24.04 | nsadmin | remember that linux dists are possible that have nothing to do with gnu... not gcc, not any part |
| 04:24.35 | nsadmin | enferex: not after release, not unless a VERY serious problem is found |
| 04:24.37 | vsmatck | enferex: With debian they get added to the unstable release. After a while they move to the testing release. Then every few years the testing release is frozen and it becomes the new stable release. |
| 04:25.31 | nsadmin | the freeze period can take a long time too, they're testing then |
| 04:26.59 | nsadmin | for these reasons and many so far unstated and more detailed reasons, the length of time from the birth of a new testing to the time it' |
| 04:27.17 | nsadmin | s released can take widely varying amounts of time |
| 04:29.58 | enferex | nsadmin: Ok |
| 04:31.31 | enferex | nsadmin: So really, I can get fresh updates and software from the "unstable" mirror? |
| 04:32.17 | nsadmin | well if you go with unstable... but you lose some support resources if you do that. in particular... |
| 04:32.22 | vsmatck | enferex: There's lots of brokenness there. Unstable is meant for developers mostly. |
| 04:32.40 | vsmatck | enferex: If you want a more up to date debian based system you might try Ubuntu. |
| 04:33.02 | nsadmin | people here will say "you picked unstable and made your bed in it... now you get to lie in it" |
| 04:33.15 | enferex | hah |
| 04:33.24 | nsadmin | more specifically, some people here will not support unstable |
| 04:33.39 | enferex | gotcha |
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| 04:37.01 | nsadmin | some things that are in place that could help |
| 04:37.11 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:37.21 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:37.27 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:39.08 | nsadmin | but overall, most debian developers are against the idea of upgrading without reason |
| 04:39.24 | nsadmin | "I want the latest" is not considered reason |
| 04:39.59 | nsadmin | because if something earlier works, it works and can continue to work |
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| 04:46.17 | Guest74478 | hey guys need help with debian let me know |
| 04:46.37 | nsadmin | !ask |
| 04:46.37 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 04:46.57 | nsadmin | !sicco |
| 04:46.57 | dpkg | Please ask sicco questions, questions that are Specific, Informative, Concise, Complete, and On-topic. Ask me about <research> and <cooperation in asking for help>. |
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| 05:06.14 | taiyal | is about to see if the Debian 5 installer can run in 40MB of RAM |
| 05:07.51 | wols_ | good luck. apt will be a bitch# |
| 05:07.54 | nsadmin | remembers when kernels ran well in 4 mb until you started X... |
| 05:08.03 | blankthemuffin | swapon! |
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| 05:09.24 | taiyal | nsadmin: heh, some still do... (tomsrtbt for example)... time to see how heavy the Debian installer kernel is |
| 05:09.37 | taiyal | I wonder if I'll even make it to loading the kernel |
| 05:10.41 | wols_ | you will.it's the userland that will be a problem |
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| 05:14.11 | pallgone | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:14.11 | pallgone | I wonder if I can run an older version of debian with kernel 2.4 or something |
| 05:14.40 | ryan-c | pallgone: why would you want to do that? |
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| 05:17.18 | pallgone | ryan-c: I'm preparing old computers that are going to people in poor countries and even lenny is sometimes too heavy on them |
| 05:18.02 | ryan-c | pallgone: Have you tried a custom kernel? |
| 05:18.03 | nsadmin | yes you can, but try it to make sure |
| 05:18.29 | nsadmin | how much ram is in these old computers |
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| 05:18.49 | pallgone | 256mb |
| 05:19.04 | nsadmin | that should be plenty to run either |
| 05:19.06 | nsadmin | what cpu? |
| 05:19.08 | ryan-c | that's plenty |
| 05:19.13 | ryan-c | what window manager? |
| 05:19.15 | pallgone | actually lenny is working quite good with xfce, but apt is slow |
| 05:19.35 | ryan-c | lxde may be lighter |
| 05:19.42 | pallgone | cpu is 450mhz |
| 05:19.51 | nsadmin | type? |
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| 05:20.00 | nsadmin | p3? p4? |
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| 05:20.04 | ryan-c | I don't think firefox will play nice in 256MB ram though |
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| 05:20.20 | pallgone | p3 I think |
| 05:20.23 | ryan-c | chrome is lighter |
| 05:20.25 | taiyal | I used to use Windows firefox in 96MB RAM |
| 05:20.41 | ryan-c | taiyal: how long ago? |
| 05:20.59 | taiyal | around 2.something, so it was a while back |
| 05:21.52 | pallgone | yeah, but the overall experience (especially apt) is a bit slow, so I was wondering if etch would make a difference |
| 05:24.09 | nsadmin | you're using aptitude in lenny right? |
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| 05:26.09 | pallgone | yes |
| 05:26.26 | nsadmin | what are the slow parts? |
| 05:26.52 | pallgone | of aptitude? |
| 05:26.59 | nsadmin | yeah |
| 05:27.28 | nsadmin | downloading itself shouldn't be a slowdown |
| 05:27.33 | pallgone | it's all slow, reading this, that, etc. |
| 05:27.53 | wols_ | ryan-c: ffox 3 on 128MB and it was fine. however, ffox wants a fast cpu, and 450 is pushing it |
| 05:28.02 | pallgone | no, I've got a local mirror even, so that's not the issue |
| 05:28.35 | nsadmin | so, are you saying that downloading -is- slower? |
| 05:29.39 | wols_ | pallgone: etch won't do you much if any good. if you want to save on ressources you basically need to use a whole different distro |
| 05:29.40 | nsadmin | probably the issue is linear access methods for apt/aptitude's databases |
| 05:29.43 | wols_ | e.g. puppy |
| 05:29.58 | pallgone | nsadmin: no, downloading is fast |
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| 05:30.25 | wols_ | the reason is apt uses a shitty way to handle the package DBs. flatfile is starting to pushing it with the way debian grew over the years |
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| 05:30.39 | wols_ | if anyone rewrote dpkg/apt today, one would use sqlite or such |
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| 05:31.09 | nsadmin | I don't see why it couldn't be tried as it is |
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| 05:31.23 | wols_ | LOTs and LOTs of work and moaning |
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| 05:32.46 | nsadmin | pallgone: are the machines identical? |
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| 05:34.09 | pallgone | nsadmin: just some |
| 05:34.43 | enferex | So, assume I have Lenny 5.0.4, might there be more recent packages in Stable since January ,when the Lenny update was made? |
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| 05:35.16 | wols_ | enferex: rephrase |
| 05:35.16 | nsadmin | on the identical ones you could use aptitude on one, copy to the other identical ones and then configure each |
| 05:36.20 | nsadmin | enferex: generally no. once a debian is released, there are NO new versions of most things. |
| 05:36.27 | wols_ | pallgone: what is the problem if apt installs stuff in a minute instead of 20 seconds? |
| 05:36.51 | nsadmin | 40 seconds. |
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| 05:37.49 | enferex | nsadmin: ok thanks for the info |
| 05:38.30 | nsadmin | having said that, I mentioned some resources earlier |
| 05:39.38 | wols_ | enferex: /msg dpkg stable |
| 05:40.15 | zcat[1] | !backports |
| 05:40.15 | dpkg | somebody said backport was a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.org/ . Ask me about <backports.org> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
| 05:43.04 | enferex | wols_: Assume a new package is created, and its stable and tests fine. Where would that new package be obtained from? |
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| 05:43.23 | enferex | A new application |
| 05:43.36 | nsadmin | that new package would be initially added to unstable |
| 05:43.50 | enferex | ok |
| 05:44.01 | nsadmin | or maybe if it's not ready for unstable yet but the author wants it to be available, to experimental |
| 05:44.19 | enferex | ah but I can still obtain it via aptitude, correct? |
| 05:44.52 | nsadmin | you mean if you're running stable? |
| 05:45.03 | zcat[1] | For some software the author creates their own repo. You can add this to /etc/apt/sources.list and then install the package via the normal package management system. |
| 05:45.03 | nsadmin | they generally won't work together |
| 05:45.44 | zcat[1] | It's not a good idea (I think) to go adding testing or experimental packages to stable though. |
| 05:45.54 | nsadmin | oh, if it's built against the toolchain in stable, it should work |
| 05:46.15 | enferex | ok thanks for the info |
| 05:46.36 | nsadmin | one reason a package might be in experimental, is the packaging doesn't work yet |
| 05:46.54 | enferex | k |
| 05:46.58 | nsadmin | this was the case when X was reorganized |
| 05:47.10 | enferex | But I can run Lenny, and add packages from sid to my system? |
| 05:47.24 | nsadmin | you can compile them from source |
| 05:47.31 | enferex | nsadmin: sure |
| 05:47.33 | wols_ | enferex: yes you can technically. as soon as you do, something WILL break soomish and NO ONE will ever help you again |
| 05:47.35 | nsadmin | but the binaries will not work (generally) |
| 05:47.55 | wols_ | enferex: until you reinstall lenny or possibly sid |
| 05:48.00 | wols_ | !bobbitt |
| 05:48.00 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorena_Bobbitt]? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody (...sarge, etch), you get the same result. Same goes for Sarge, Etch, Lenny, and any other Debian system, "Debian based distro", or the fire that is <rpm>, <alien>, etc. |
| 05:48.12 | enferex | hah |
| 05:48.17 | wols_ | ^^ above happens to you when you mix debian branches |
| 05:49.14 | wols_ | enferex: as you've been told before if you want packages from another debian branch, you need to use or create yourself, a backport |
| 05:49.26 | enferex | ok |
| 05:49.56 | wols_ | however with certain big things, like say, gnome, you cannot practically do that. in this case you use the branch which already has your chosen version of gnome |
| 05:49.59 | nsadmin | I'll soften "no one will ever help you again" to "no one will WANT TO help you, since you have an anomalous situation created by the mixing" |
| 05:49.59 | enferex | i just have it in my mind that, due to the 2-year release schedule, ill be behind |
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| 05:50.28 | wols_ | nsadmin: as soon as you say "I mixed lenny and sid" everyone will run away and tell you "reinstall" |
| 05:50.52 | wols_ | enferex: then go to #ubuntu and be happy. (or #fedora or whatever) |
| 05:50.57 | nsadmin | wols_, yes, because they will not want to look into it |
| 05:51.08 | ryan-c | backports mostly aren't that hard |
| 05:51.15 | wols_ | yes, people like to keep their tiny bit of sanity, imagine that! |
| 05:51.15 | ryan-c | *mostly* |
| 05:51.21 | ryan-c | sometime, they are pure hell. |
| 05:51.24 | nsadmin | enferex: but, the question is, you'll be behind... what? |
| 05:52.01 | nsadmin | didn't Robin Trower do a tune called Little Bit of Sanity? |
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| 05:53.12 | enferex | well when I needed updates for my old machine, I would just build from scratch |
| 05:53.27 | nsadmin | you can still do that |
| 05:53.34 | enferex | yup |
| 05:53.36 | nsadmin | but then, |
| 05:53.44 | nsadmin | the things you build are your responsibility |
| 05:53.48 | enferex | sure |
| 05:54.09 | nsadmin | the earlier comment about people wanting to run away could apply there |
| 05:54.09 | enferex | is it complicated/involved to make your own .deb |
| 05:54.31 | ryan-c | enferex: not really. less so than RPM imnsho |
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| 05:54.39 | nsadmin | some are simple, some are very complex, and some have their own build system |
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| 05:54.48 | nsadmin | so it depends on which package you mean |
| 05:54.55 | wols_ | enferex: generally it's easier to backport than to create your own .deb from scratch |
| 05:55.32 | nsadmin | "backport" is a strong word... because sometimes all you have to do is recompile |
| 05:55.51 | nsadmin | you never have to touch code |
| 05:55.56 | zcat[1] | wols_: dpkg TOLD me to mix lenny and sid .. now it tells me that's no longer necessary. How do I unmix them again? |
| 05:56.19 | wols_ | zcat[1]: where and how? |
| 05:56.30 | nsadmin | watches wols grab his head, shake it around and run away! |
| 05:56.35 | zcat[1] | sorry, squeeze and sid |
| 05:56.50 | wols_ | !tum |
| 05:56.50 | dpkg | echo 'APT::Default-Release "testing";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf, edit sources.list, copy your non-security testing lines and change one set to sid. then apt-get update. use apt-get -t sid install foo; to install foo from sid rather than testing as usual. WARNING to SYNAPTIC users: Synaptic ignores Default-Release. set Preferences->Distribution |
| 05:57.04 | zcat[1] | dpkg said to install the nvidia drivers I had to make a squeeze/sid mix |
| 05:57.04 | dpkg | You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, zcat[1] |
| 05:57.32 | wols_ | yes it did and still does, but it clearly shows you have no clue why it did that and what you then did following this advice |
| 05:57.44 | nsadmin | thanks to whoever changed that from "you are moron #1" |
| 05:58.07 | wols_ | nsadmin: I think it still says that once in a while for some requests |
| 05:58.21 | zcat[1] | no, it says now that it's no longer necessary to do this, |
| 05:58.24 | zcat[1] | !nvidia squeeze |
| 05:58.24 | dpkg | The nvidia drivers currently in squeeze are compatible with the squeeze kernel. No need for a testing/unstable mix now. Use either module-assistant or DKMS to compile them; ask me about <nvidia m-a> <nvidia dkms>. |
| 05:59.05 | wols_ | obviously. the nvidia squeeze factoid wasn't very good either. one should have done a backport imho |
| 05:59.14 | wols_ | less error prone |
| 05:59.34 | wols_ | lenny users still need to do a backport, e.g. if they have a newer nvidia card |
| 05:59.39 | zcat[1] | so should I try to wind back the changes I made and use dkms, or just leave it how it is? |
| 05:59.51 | wols_ | leave it |
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| 06:00.02 | zcat[1] | yeah, I think that sounds easiest ;) |
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| 06:12.54 | zcat[1] | so who made the original factoid. where can I get _good_ advice on how to do things in debian? All I seem to get here is abuse and apparently questionable advice |
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| 06:13.18 | mobidev | hi to all |
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| 06:15.11 | wols_ | how was the advice questionable? |
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| 06:16.04 | zcat[1] | "the nvidia squeeze factoid wasn't very good either. one should have done a backport imho" |
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| 06:16.28 | zcat[1] | .. nobody ever suggested that to me before.. |
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| 06:16.54 | wols_ | the end result was the same. the tum is a bit more dangerous as it can make people who don't pay attention install stuff from sid when they don't want to |
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| 06:17.13 | wols_ | the downside of a backport is, it's more work |
| 06:17.26 | wols_ | so as often, it is a tradeoff. which is why I said "imho" |
| 06:17.34 | massmc | debian on a p3 with 256 meg ram, running skype video 24/7 , irc, pidgin, audacious 2r4/7 playlist of music = priceless |
| 06:17.50 | massmc | fry in hell Mr Gates |
| 06:18.50 | zcat[1] | anyone want to have another go at figuring out why my wireless won't connect? |
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| 06:19.39 | massmc | what sort of wireless? |
| 06:19.53 | zcat[1] | 01:07.0 Network controller: RaLink RT2800 802.11n PCI |
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| 06:20.35 | massmc | does it find it with ubuntu? |
| 06:20.48 | zcat[1] | yes |
| 06:21.03 | zcat[1] | or Bus 001 Device 004: ID 0ace:1215 ZyDAS WLA-54L 802.11bg is the other adapter I have |
| 06:21.13 | zcat[1] | .. both work fine from an ubuntu live cd |
| 06:21.15 | massmc | then find what runs it in that, try their forums, and also google is your best friend |
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| 06:22.17 | llua | zcat[1], is firmware-ralink installed |
| 06:22.28 | llua | ?* |
| 06:22.32 | zcat[1] | I have installed firmware for both under debian. both adapters can see my access point, but neither adapter can connect. iwconfig {interface} essid {essid} just totally fails to set the essid |
| 06:24.42 | iceroot | if i want to build a newer kernel, do i also have to build a new libc and new dbus (and other things) or can i normally just use a newer kernel and keep the rest of my system? |
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| 06:28.23 | pallgone | zcat[1]: does 'iwlist <iface> scan' show something? |
| 06:28.39 | zcat[1] | pallgone: yes, all the AP's in the area (two of which are mine) |
| 06:30.27 | MeglaW | get wicd! |
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| 06:30.38 | pallgone | zcat[1]: wpa? |
| 06:31.00 | MeglaW | wicd is a TUI app for locating and connecting to wireless stations |
| 06:31.02 | zcat[1] | wicd cannot connect (which is not surprising since it's merely a gui front end for iwlist/iwconfig/dhclient |
| 06:31.03 | MeglaW | try it |
| 06:31.12 | MeglaW | zcat[1]: why not |
| 06:31.29 | zcat[1] | I already know I can't connect. I'm using the CLI tools to try and figure out WHY I can't connect |
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| 06:32.03 | MeglaW | are you using encryption? can you connect if you turn that off? |
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| 06:32.29 | zcat[1] | I already tried wicd, wifi-radar, etc... none of them work because ALL of them are merely GUI tools that use iwconfig. If iwconfig can't set an essid then noting else that uses iwconfig is going to work |
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| 06:32.44 | MeglaW | yes but lets do it one step at at time |
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| 06:33.23 | zcat[1] | MeglaW: no encryption, no I can't connect from debian. |
| 06:33.24 | MeglaW | are u using encryption on the ap? |
| 06:33.35 | MeglaW | can you see your ap? |
| 06:33.46 | zcat[1] | yes I can see my AP and several others in iwlist |
| 06:33.48 | MeglaW | do you get any error msg? |
| 06:34.11 | zcat[1] | no error message from iwconfig |
| 06:34.39 | MeglaW | are you far away from the ap? |
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| 06:34.48 | zcat[1] | same room |
| 06:35.21 | MeglaW | u said its not working in debian, did it work in anything else? |
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| 06:35.51 | zcat[1] | also it works perfectly in ubuntu live CD, so forget any theories about being too far away, too near, or blocked by MAC address |
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| 06:36.29 | zcat[1] | "works" means I can connect reliably, get a DHCP lease and do normal IP traffic over either interface (or even both at the same time) |
| 06:36.32 | lv_ | hi - what is the most lightweight pop3 server i can use on debian lenny ? |
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| 06:42.38 | zcat[1] | so it works perfectly in ubuntu. In debian I can see AP's, mine with 100% with signal strength, in any of the GUI tools or using iwlist. But I can't connect to any of them. In the GUI tools it sits at "getting IP" for ages and then says it failed. Using iwconfig it gives me no error setting the ESSID but when I run iwconfig with no commands, I see that the essid is never set. |
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| 06:43.18 | zcat[1] | there is nothing in dmesg that seems helpful either. |
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| 06:45.00 | zcat[1] | two 'errors' that are apparently quite normal. |
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| 06:46.01 | nsadmin | zcat[1], lsmod might show something interesting if you look at the difference |
| 06:46.20 | nsadmin | also if you look at the difference between the kernel config files between the two kernelw |
| 06:46.38 | nsadmin | is it usb or pci? |
| 06:46.51 | zcat[1] | one adapter is PCI, the other is USB. |
| 06:47.13 | nsadmin | for the pci adapter, lspci -nn and find its line |
| 06:47.15 | wols_ | iceroot: usually only the new kernel. having to upgrade other things is rare |
| 06:47.19 | zcat[1] | the PCI one is RALINK, the USB one is WLA-54L |
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| 06:47.50 | zcat[1] | BOTH work perfectly in ubuntu, BOTH have exactly the same problem in Debian (see AP's, can't set essid, can't connect) |
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| 06:48.19 | zcat[1] | 01:07.0 Network controller [0280]: RaLink RT2800 802.11n PCI [1814:0601] |
| 06:48.21 | nsadmin | as far as I can get with wireless is to identify the pci device |
| 06:48.31 | nsadmin | , pciid [1814:0601] |
| 06:48.33 | judd | [1814:0601] is 'RT2800 802.11n PCI' from 'RaLink' with no known kernel module in lenny but has kernel module 'rt2860sta' in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1814:0601 http://wiki.debian.org/rt2860sta |
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| 06:48.37 | wols_ | zcat[1]: your AP uses WPA? |
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| 06:49.02 | zcat[1] | no, the AP I'm trying to connect to is unencrypted, wide open, with no MAC filtering |
| 06:49.13 | zcat[1] | and in the same room as the computer |
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| 06:49.41 | nsadmin | is that driver in your lsmod? what's your uname -r? |
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| 06:49.57 | zcat[1] | mandela:~# uname -a |
| 06:49.57 | zcat[1] | Linux mandela 2.6.32-3-686 #1 SMP Thu Feb 25 06:14:20 UTC 2010 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 06:50.40 | zcat[1] | rt2860sta 378523 1 |
| 06:50.43 | nsadmin | lsmod | grep rt2860sta |
| 06:50.58 | nsadmin | seems to be there |
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| 06:51.19 | nsadmin | so that's as far as I know |
| 06:51.41 | zcat[1] | how about the other one? |
| 06:52.13 | nsadmin | I don't know how to get the device id or whether judd knows usb devices as well as pci |
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| 06:52.55 | wols_ | lsusb gets the device id and judd hasn't a clue (rather, kmutodoesn't) |
| 06:53.27 | nsadmin | , kernels |
| 06:53.28 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.34-1-686 (2.6.34-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-13); squeeze: 2.6.32-3-686 (2.6.32-9); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.4-686 (2.6.32-11~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-22lenny1); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
| 06:53.44 | zcat[1] | Bus 001 Device 004: ID 0ace:1215 ZyDAS WLA-54L 802.11bg |
| 06:54.06 | zcat[1] | mandela:~# lsmod | grep zd |
| 06:54.07 | zcat[1] | zd1211rw 32550 0 |
| 06:54.16 | wols_ | try to connect to the AP and check your dmesg for anything |
| 06:54.39 | nsadmin | how do you tail -f the dmesg? |
| 06:54.58 | wols_ | tail -f /var/log/kern.log |
| 06:55.13 | zcat[1] | dmesg logs errors about a missing config file (google search says this is normal) and rt_ioctl_giwscan. 1(1) BSS returned, data->length = xxx which I can't find any answers that make sense |
| 06:55.49 | zcat[1] | [98847.192169] cfg80211: Calling CRDA for country: DE |
| 06:55.54 | zcat[1] | Hmmm.. DE?!! |
| 06:56.14 | jk70_ | How many DVD's do you need to install a basic Debian system |
| 06:56.21 | nsadmin | none |
| 06:56.31 | zcat[1] | none.. network install CD FTW! |
| 06:57.08 | jk70_ | Need to use DVD's. |
| 06:57.09 | nsadmin | well none -if- your network can be brought up either early in the install or after reboot |
| 06:57.14 | pallgone | nsadmin: watch 'dmesg | tail' |
| 06:57.30 | nsadmin | oh, that's a cute way |
| 06:58.06 | nsadmin | jk70_: for what reason? |
| 06:58.21 | zcat[1] | dmesg gets logged to /var/log/messages so just tail that? |
| 06:58.35 | nsadmin | or kern.log |
| 06:58.51 | zcat[1] | hmm, ok. Or kern log |
| 06:59.01 | jk70_ | To replace an existing O/S in a dual boot enviroment. |
| 06:59.22 | nsadmin | no I mean why dvds necessary? |
| 06:59.32 | nsadmin | why couln't you use other methods |
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| 07:00.17 | nsadmin | also what are the two existing oses, and which are you replacing |
| 07:00.21 | nsadmin | brb |
| 07:00.26 | jk70_ | Well thier availeble and convetioal ,to me. |
| 07:00.54 | jk70_ | conventioal. |
| 07:00.54 | zcat[1] | Is there a single CD-size disk that gives you debian with a basic gnome desktop and a few apps, similar to the ubuntu CDs? |
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| 07:02.47 | zcat[1] | 'cos that's one of the things that I ran into, there seems to be only two options, network disk (where almost everything gets downloaded) or some insane number of DVD's if you want to isntall away from a network connection |
| 07:02.59 | jk70_ | nsadmin :Vista and Mandriva.Relacing Mandriva to try debian on a i386 P$. |
| 07:04.39 | jk70_ | O.K.,a net install sounds like a better option.Thankx. |
| 07:06.19 | jk70_ | Next question:Lenny or squess. |
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| 07:09.54 | jk70_ | What version of kernel does squess have. |
| 07:10.32 | pallgone | jk70_: 2.6.32 |
| 07:11.01 | jk70_ | pallgone,Thank You. |
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| 07:12.48 | nsadmin | and that version is in backports for lenny... lenny doesn't move much, which is how stability is achieved... servers should probably use that... |
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| 07:15.59 | antonio_ | ciao a tutti |
| 07:16.09 | jk70_ | nsadmin:thank you. |
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| 07:18.00 | pallgone | antonio_: buon giornio |
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| 07:23.20 | antonio_ | ciao a tutti |
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| 07:24.28 | antonio_ | su questo canale ci sono le liste cei server |
| 07:25.26 | wols_ | !it |
| 07:25.26 | dpkg | Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help. |
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| 07:35.33 | michalxo | hello :-) |
| 07:38.04 | pav5088 | I'm looking to compile a binary package from source, and the Build-Depends: option lists a few groups of dependencies separated by "|". I've chosen one group and installed them, but a dpkg-buildpackage -b fails, and gives the error : dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: ... and goes to list all the files I haven't installed (still separated by "|"). |
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| 07:38.58 | pav5088 | Am I misunderstanding what the "|" is for? The group of build deps I've installed isn't listed, and there's one less "|". |
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| 07:39.30 | Parsifal | pav5088: Have you tried "aptitude build-dep packagename"? |
| 07:40.28 | nsadmin | what is the package, and from what dist? |
| 07:40.37 | pav5088 | Parsifal, I only have the source of this package... and no repos. Is it possible without a repo containing the package in question? |
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| 07:41.09 | nsadmin | what do you mean "no repos" |
| 07:41.15 | pav5088 | nsadmin, it's a patched openssh package (from GOsa)... |
| 07:42.09 | pav5088 | nsadmin, doesn't aptitude work through apt-get and sources.list at its lowest level, or am I just igorant? :-/ |
| 07:42.23 | nsadmin | so it's not from debian? that may or may not work (I'd vote for it would work but that's a guess) |
| 07:42.45 | nsadmin | aptitude and apt-get both read sources.list |
| 07:42.52 | nsadmin | aptitude does not use apt-get |
| 07:42.56 | pav5088 | As it's GOsa related I'd imagine there would be extra LDAP stuff in there... |
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| 07:43.07 | nsadmin | apt-get started life as a test of libapt |
| 07:43.27 | nsadmin | what's GOsa? |
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| 07:44.02 | nsadmin | aptitude probably calls dpkg |
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| 07:45.06 | wols_ | all libapt programs call dpkg |
| 07:45.52 | pav5088 | GOsa is an admin interface and some extra glue to make it easy to admin eg. samba+pdc, DHCP, DNS, Groupware (eg. Kolab, SOGo, separate cyrus, postfix etc...), certificates, RADIUS, automatic installation of client and server machines (via OPSI and FAI), Asterisk, Squid+blacklists(if required) and lots of stuff I can't remember. |
| 07:45.52 | wols_ | pav5088: show us the real output of what you do and what you get in output and error messages |
| 07:46.49 | pav5088 | It's the software they're using to do the Linux rollout in Munich, and I believe it's also being used for the local authorities in Paris and Amsterdam and a number of other companies and organisations. |
| 07:47.47 | nsadmin | ok, so you want to build openssh-server |
| 07:48.11 | nsadmin | did you get its sources from debian sources, then patch them with the GOsa stuff? |
| 07:48.40 | pav5088 | I should have probably come here earlier... I've written a script to automatically build GOsa (LOTS of packages). The script compiles a list of dependencies and tries to install them all before building. There's probably already scripts to do this kind of thing. |
| 07:49.33 | nsadmin | is there a GOsa that's available from debian repos? |
| 07:49.38 | pav5088 | nsadmin, nope... they're distributing their own version of openssh, but they're trying to get the relevant patches accepted by the Debian maintainer. |
| 07:49.48 | nsadmin | oh ok |
| 07:50.05 | pav5088 | nsadmin, there are SOME bits of GOsa available in Debian, but it's an ongoing process. |
| 07:50.16 | nsadmin | so, would the relevent patches patch against the debianized source? |
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| 07:50.21 | pav5088 | The packages are a bit old though. |
| 07:50.29 | nsadmin | ok, got it |
| 07:50.32 | wols_ | pav5088: there already is something called apt-get buildeps. IF that G0sa stuff has proper packaging, that will work automatically |
| 07:51.25 | pav5088 | wols_, the problem is there is interdependencies between packages... BUT apt-get buildeps still would be quite useful. |
| 07:51.56 | nsadmin | so, still wondering if you tried that |
| 07:52.18 | pav5088 | wols_, the only thing is it relies on sources.list... and as I'm compiling from trunk there are no guarantees that the builddeps of the older packages will be right. |
| 07:52.50 | nsadmin | so... you... haven't tried it? |
| 07:53.16 | nsadmin | still trying to get a yes-or-no response so we know where we're starting |
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| 07:54.01 | pav5088 | nsadmin, it would probably work, BUT as this will probably become a nightly trunk build script for a trunk repo it will eventually break when build-depends differ from old versions. |
| 07:54.24 | wols_ | your script will break sooner |
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| 07:55.39 | pav5088 | The next version is a major revision ie. v2.7 instead of v2.6 and apparently a lot is changing. |
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| 07:56.03 | nsadmin | you want to get the build-dep working... that should be a part of your focus |
| 07:57.24 | nsadmin | if that works a lot of things you may or may not be aware of will work too |
| 07:57.40 | pav5088 | My original question is when there are groups of build-depends packages separated by "|" I would have expected things to work... I want to know why it doesn't... I will paste what I have. |
| 07:58.10 | pav5088 | (I installed one of these groups) |
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| 07:59.58 | pav5088 | My build script ALMOST works... just not in this case (having installed one of may groups of packages) |
| 08:00.08 | wols_ | as in many many programming languages, "|" means "OR" here, but unless you actually do what I told you, we cannot help you |
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| 08:00.30 | pav5088 | I'm installing xchat on my test machine. :) |
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| 08:00.48 | pav5088 | actually a pastebin would be easier |
| 08:00.48 | wols_ | use irssi |
| 08:01.07 | wols_ | and yes, don't paste here |
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| 08:02.40 | nsadmin | especially don't paste a build log on any channel :) |
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| 08:03.02 | nsadmin | unless it's you and fred and a cat named ed |
| 08:03.11 | wols_ | except #flood |
| 08:03.19 | pav5088 | http://pastebin.com/REa3YR7v |
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| 08:04.21 | pav5088 | That includes the three packages that were installed, and the dpkg-buildpackage output. |
| 08:04.26 | wols_ | dpkg -l libwrap0-dev |
| 08:04.26 | dpkg | No packages found matching libwrap0-dev |
| 08:04.37 | wols_ | pav5088: dpkg -l libwrap0-dev |
| 08:05.03 | pav5088 | Hmmm... I've been looking at this too long obviously... *slaps forehead* |
| 08:06.38 | wols_ | and that's why you should have used build-dep |
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| 08:07.29 | pav5088 | actually... |
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| 08:07.59 | pav5088 | soooo... I can't just pick a group of packages between the "|"'s and go with them? I must always install the first one? |
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| 08:08.02 | nsadmin | dang! who slapped my forehead!? |
| 08:08.32 | wols_ | pav5088: no |
| 08:08.49 | wols_ | you can just as well install libwrap-dev |
| 08:08.55 | wols_ | ,versions libwrap-dev |
| 08:08.56 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'libwrap-dev' was found. |
| 08:09.02 | wols_ | but this is why you can't |
| 08:09.05 | wols_ | ,versions libwrap0-dev |
| 08:09.07 | judd | libwrap0-dev -- etch: 7.6.dbs-13; lenny: 7.6.q-16; squeeze: 7.6.q-18; sid: 7.6.q-19 |
| 08:09.29 | wols_ | pav5088: which is ANOTHER reason to use build-dep. see how a pattern emerges? |
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| 08:10.04 | wols_ | if you already have a debian package. USE it. if you don't want to, fine, but then go and run LFS. have a nice day |
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| 08:15.03 | pav5088 | I've just been told the other guys use pbuilder to do this kind of thing... Apparently there are tricks that allow eg. compiling a library, and then the package that uses it as a build-dependency. |
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| 08:16.14 | nsadmin | well yeah... but the thing is, if build-dep works, that makes using pbuilder easier, since it will install the build-deps by calling aptitude or apt-get |
| 08:16.15 | pav5088 | Unfortunately trunk is a mess of tangled dependencies |
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| 08:21.52 | StefanNET | hello |
| 08:21.53 | StefanNET | You need to install the LWP perl module (libwww-perl) and then install csf |
| 08:22.07 | StefanNET | when i type yum install libwww-perl it says no module available why? |
| 08:22.36 | wols_ | StefanNET: we don't support rpm distros |
| 08:22.52 | StefanNET | who support? |
| 08:23.06 | StefanNET | how to install rpm? |
| 08:23.08 | wols_ | the #debian channel doesn't. we don't know who does and we don't care about it either |
| 08:23.09 | nsadmin | depends on the dist |
| 08:23.30 | nsadmin | are you running a debian? |
| 08:23.31 | wols_ | StefanNET: you should know what distro you run and ask THEM |
| 08:23.35 | nsadmin | probably not |
| 08:23.46 | wols_ | nsadmin: considering he can run yum from bash, I more than doubt it |
| 08:23.57 | StefanNET | yes |
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| 08:24.17 | wols_ | StefanNET: uname -r what does this return? |
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| 08:24.56 | StefanNET | 2.6.18-164.15.1.el5.028stab068.9 |
| 08:25.26 | wols_ | StefanNET: ask redhat.com. they sold you that distro. goodbye |
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| 08:28.06 | orzo | anybody use firefox in a chroot and know any gotchas in getting sound working inside flash? |
| 08:28.27 | orzo | its the latest firefox, the web is full of stuff but ive been trying things for hours |
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| 08:29.43 | wols_ | how is flash putting out sound outside your chroot? |
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| 08:30.53 | wols_ | qpopper or such |
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| 09:49.34 | orzo | found the firefox sound problem finlaly |
| 09:49.48 | JyZyXEL | what sound problem |
| 09:50.06 | orzo | i need to use an schroot of type "plain" rather than "directory" |
| 09:50.09 | orzo | i had no sound in firefox 32bit chroot |
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| 09:51.02 | lindi- | orzo: how do those differ? |
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| 09:51.26 | orzo | lindi-: well the "directory" type seems not to take all my bind mounts |
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| 09:52.01 | orzo | im too tired to figure out exactly why that is |
| 09:52.17 | JyZyXEL | chroot for security reasons? |
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| 09:53.09 | orzo | chroot for 32bit reasons on amd64 |
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| 09:53.45 | lindi- | orzo: ah, i specify them all in fstab |
| 09:54.05 | orzo | lindi-: me too, but with type "directory" schroot somehow undoes them |
| 09:54.10 | lindi- | orzo: got some cool way to sync passwords and resolv.conf? |
| 09:54.43 | JyZyXEL | 32bit firefox won't work with amd64? |
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| 09:54.49 | orzo | idunno |
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| 09:55.00 | orzo | it seems to just work |
| 09:55.11 | JyZyXEL | thats what its supposed to do |
| 09:56.28 | orzo | um |
| 09:56.34 | orzo | i mean, to lindi- |
| 09:56.39 | orzo | resolv.conf and passwords |
| 09:56.44 | orzo | i havnt needed to bother |
| 09:57.13 | orzo | JyZyXEL: 32 bit apps need 32 bit libraries to link |
| 09:57.38 | orzo | so if you want to run a 32bit ap on amd64, you're going to need to install support libraries at the least |
| 09:57.49 | nielsle | Is there a simple way to get debugging symbols for libgnome-keyring.so.0 for Sid? I get a crash in epiphany whenever I try to log in to linkedin.com http://www.pastebin.org/292299 |
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| 09:58.23 | orzo | one way to install such libraries is to make a chroot where you can apt-get anything you need |
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| 09:59.20 | orzo | plus, the libraries will be expected to be in a certain path, and there will likely be 64 bit libraries there |
| 09:59.31 | PerfDave | Oh, if only we had multiarch ;) |
| 09:59.32 | JyZyXEL | oh i thought the new libs would be backwards compatible with 32bit apps |
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| 10:00.36 | orzo | is multiarch still planned for squeeze |
| 10:01.07 | PerfDave | orzo: No, it's been dropped as a release goal. |
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| 10:01.52 | orzo | i made funky scripts for running 64 bit aps from the chroot |
| 10:02.14 | orzo | so firefox can run programs |
| 10:02.45 | orzo | but i do it by reading a pipe and the shell quotes and such are messed up |
| 10:03.03 | orzo | is there a clean way to do it? |
| 10:03.16 | orzo | i initially thought i'd schroot back from the 32bit chroot |
| 10:03.21 | orzo | but that proved problematic |
| 10:04.28 | lindi- | orzo: iki.fi/lindi/schroot.txt has my "sid" wrapper that handles quotes |
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| 10:06.40 | orzo | lindi-: i think you misunderstand... I rigged up a way to escape the chroot to run 64 bit aps from a 32 bit shell or browser |
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| 10:07.18 | orzo | the way i did it is a have a process interpretting comands on a pipe and i write to the pipe from within the chroot |
| 10:08.23 | orzo | i initially thought i could just install schroot inside the chroot and use it to chroot back |
| 10:08.32 | orzo | but that gave me grief |
| 10:08.41 | lindi- | orzo: that's not very flexible hmm |
| 10:09.45 | JyZyXEL | i had no idea running 32bit apps on a amd64 was that unflexible |
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| 10:10.41 | PerfDave | JyZyXEL: orzo's talking about chroot stuff, which you don't strictly need for running i386 apps on amd64. |
| 10:10.54 | JyZyXEL | oh? |
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| 10:24.36 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 10:24.36 | dpkg | <reality> whats the debian package with all the build essentials? |
| 10:25.16 | xelister | !qotd0 |
| 10:25.16 | dpkg | < justin420> ...got some weird errors when using that dhclient eth0... < nvz> justin420: thats a normal dhcp lease proceedure < Tchiak> it's ok justin.. lots of men have problem problems understanding what' s going on with their DHCP it's only natural. < Tchiak> if you take this packet once a day before engaging in internet activites, you'll provide a satisfaction to both you and your isp. |
| 10:25.17 | PerfDave | JyZyXEL: Debian provides a bunch of i386 compatibility packages in the amd64 repos. That's often enough to get an i386 app running |
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| 10:43.17 | JyZyXEL | how do you change partition numbers, like make /dev/sda2 to /dev/sda1 |
| 10:45.05 | lindi- | JyZyXEL: are you familiar with fdisk? |
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| 10:45.33 | JyZyXEL | not at all |
| 10:45.37 | JyZyXEL | i use cfdisk |
| 10:45.46 | lindi- | JyZyXEL: cfdisk should work too |
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| 10:45.57 | JyZyXEL | yea if you manually do it |
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| 10:46.31 | JyZyXEL | im guessing it would involve first deleting all partition entries and then re creating them in the order you want them in |
| 10:46.50 | lindi- | JyZyXEL: i'm not sure it is a good idea to have them in non-disk order |
| 10:47.03 | JyZyXEL | well thats how they are atm |
| 10:47.07 | lindi- | ok |
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| 10:47.51 | JyZyXEL | it doesn't really seem to matter in what order they are but itd be so much more logical to have them in correct order |
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| 10:49.16 | JyZyXEL | guess ill just do it manually then |
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| 10:50.45 | PeterNL | Hi, I'm a Debian Squeeze with gnome user, what version of ssh-askpass do I need? |
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| 10:51.52 | PeterNL | I.E. ssh-askpass or gtk-led-askpass or ssh-askpass-gnome or ssh-askpass-fullscreen? What version do they use on Ubuntu? |
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| 10:52.09 | JyZyXEL | i wish there was a windows version for askpass :( |
| 10:52.29 | PeterNL | There is, it's called PuTTY |
| 10:53.02 | PeterNL | More or less... You still enter the password in a black/white window... |
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| 11:00.05 | PeterNL | I just tried all of them, and I need ssh-askpass-gnome |
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| 11:01.16 | dutchfish | PeterNL: 1:5.5p1-3 |
| 11:01.46 | PeterNL | No, I actually mean what of the packages, not the actual version number. But I already foud it |
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| 11:05.33 | xelister | oh dpkg quited |
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| 11:05.57 | dpkg | PeterNL: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 11:06.23 | PeterNL | It just confirmed it is :d |
| 11:06.31 | PeterNL | dpkg: bot? |
| 11:06.31 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
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| 11:12.31 | xelister | dpkg: qotd0 |
| 11:12.32 | dpkg | <unimatrix> anyone know how to create a binary file in bash? |
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| 11:13.49 | lindi- | xelister: what's the point of these? ;) |
| 11:14.53 | liable | light entertainment :) |
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| 11:21.13 | slip | hello! I install php andMySQL separately on my Debian server and when i trying to use mysql base in mediawiki, i get error 'Can't contact the database server: MySQL functions missing, have you compiled PHP with the --with-mysql option?' |
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| 11:21.42 | slip | how can i recompile php with MySQL support? |
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| 11:22.48 | petemc | slip: install php5-mysql |
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| 11:24.15 | djura-san | o/ |
| 11:26.11 | slip | petemc: i did it, but i still get this error |
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| 11:26.52 | slip | petemc: maybe i need anything else? |
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| 11:27.37 | petemc | slip: restarted apache? |
| 11:28.26 | slip | petemc: thank you! It's works |
| 11:28.38 | petemc | np |
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| 12:10.41 | bechampy | i am trying to chainload grub2 to a different harddisk, this harddisk has gpt instead of a MBR. I can boot the gpt hd directly from the bios but not by chainloading grub2 to (hd5). Anybody got a suggestion? |
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| 12:11.39 | Cirno-chan | bechampy, did you ask in #grub? |
| 12:12.08 | kripz | how do i check if my computer got an ip from dhcp? |
| 12:12.11 | bechampy | o stupid of me, ofcourse there is a grub channel ;) |
| 12:12.15 | bechampy | i will try there |
| 12:12.28 | badipod | kripz: You could have a look at ifconfig |
| 12:12.28 | cahoot | kripz: ip link? |
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| 12:12.57 | cahoot | kripz: ip addr more like it |
| 12:13.04 | Bushmills | kripz: to be sure it came from dhcp, execute a script from the hook most dhcp clients provide |
| 12:13.38 | kripz | im getting weird behaviour. /etc/network/interfaces is all set to auto, i have wicd with a profile for "wired-default" to use a static ip, somehow my computer uses 192.168.1.205 which i cannot find referenced anywhere |
| 12:13.47 | bolt | When I try to forward port 5900 through an SSH server to another machine, I get "bind: Address already in use" as soon as I add the -g flag, which I want so that other machines can go through the tunnel I just made. However, neither netstat -a nor lsof shows anything using port 5900. What's up with that? In fact, it happens no matter what I change the local port number to. Just tried with 6000 instead. Still in use. |
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| 12:14.10 | kripz | So where else can this ip be coming from? |
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| 12:14.40 | Bushmills | some dhcp clients try the previous ip address when dhcpd won't replay |
| 12:14.42 | Bushmills | reply |
| 12:14.52 | kripz | but wicd is set to static |
| 12:16.12 | Bushmills | use iptables or tcpdump to watch or monitor dhcp traffic |
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| 12:21.16 | skinder | if i had lenny and installed 2.6.34 kernel, is it still lenny? |
| 12:22.08 | project2501a | skinder: you are on your way to lennin, tawarich |
| 12:22.18 | skinder | lol |
| 12:23.26 | PerfDave | skinder: That's something of a philosophical question. |
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| 12:23.49 | skinder | mm, okaaay |
| 12:23.58 | PerfDave | skinder: In the sense of "Is my system still fully supported by Lenny's security updates", then no. In the sense of "can I expect everything to work after extensive testing as a coherent system", then no. |
| 12:24.01 | badipod | It's close enough. :P |
| 12:24.04 | skinder | in sourses.list i should use what? |
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| 12:24.25 | PerfDave | skinder: What do you mean? What are yoy trying to achieve? |
| 12:24.52 | skinder | mm, b43 driver |
| 12:24.56 | PerfDave | skinder: Also, how have you installed Linux 2.6.34? |
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| 12:35.16 | ff88 | hi I've got a very basic debian install, without GUI |
| 12:35.25 | ff88 | what is the package I've to install to get a very minimal GUI |
| 12:35.40 | PerfDave | ff88: twm or lxde probably? |
| 12:35.40 | jargon- | how do i configure the font size of xterm? where do i find the config file? |
| 12:35.53 | ff88 | (just file browsing and a browser) |
| 12:35.57 | ff88 | twm? |
| 12:35.57 | Kuifje111 | ff88: you can get openbox. |
| 12:35.58 | jargon- | ff88: i installed xorg and xdm |
| 12:36.09 | Kuifje111 | ff88: openbox is very small and minimalistic. |
| 12:36.20 | badipod | Openbox with iceweasel and pcmanfm or something |
| 12:36.45 | ff88 | it's a 64 MB RAM machine |
| 12:36.57 | badipod | Maybe not iceweasel. :/ |
| 12:37.02 | ff88 | no, it's a 128 MB. |
| 12:37.04 | Kuifje111 | lynx maybe, hehe. |
| 12:37.06 | badipod | Dunno what pcmanfm is like for ran |
| 12:37.09 | badipod | Ram* |
| 12:37.14 | badipod | links -g :D |
| 12:37.34 | badipod | Or something like surf |
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| 12:37.38 | skinder | http://bit.ly/9yetjU << all here. |
| 12:37.42 | PerfDave | ff88: If you have a more powerful machine on the local network, you might want to set up your machine as a "thin client" using LTSP. |
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| 12:39.19 | PerfDave | skinder: Hmm, if I were you I' wouldn't have hand-compiled 2.6.34, and just used the pre-packaged 2.6.32 kernel from the lenny-backports repository |
| 12:39.22 | ff88 | PerfDave: this is not the case but thank you. I didn't know about it |
| 12:39.39 | ff88 | ok I'll try Openbox. Will it run GTK apps? |
| 12:40.02 | Bushmills | openbox ist just a window manager. the buttons and frame around a window. |
| 12:40.06 | skinder | what need i do now? |
| 12:40.13 | Bushmills | doesn't affect ability to run specific programs |
| 12:40.18 | PerfDave | skinder: But either way, you probably want to keep "lenny" in your sources.list and keep your software at that version. It's not guaranteed to work, but probably will :) |
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| 12:40.27 | ff88 | Bushmills: I thought it was a full desktop environment |
| 12:40.28 | skinder | okaay |
| 12:40.46 | badipod | ff88: Nah |
| 12:40.54 | badipod | lxde is a light desktop environment |
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| 12:41.15 | Bushmills | there are a number of accompanying tools for openbox, which need to be installed seperately if you want to use them |
| 12:41.24 | Bushmills | and those also affect your ability to run other programs |
| 12:41.32 | Bushmills | also *don't* |
| 12:41.35 | PerfDave | would probably just use KDE on a 64MB machine and turn off anti-aliasing etc. |
| 12:41.38 | blue_anna | hi - I have a .. probably stupiud question. I am not on debian, but ubuntu -- I'm running into errors with gcc4.4.3 and so I want to use gcc4.5, but ubuntu doesn't have it. does the debian package peacefully coexist with 4.4.3? |
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| 12:41.49 | blue_anna | I know the correct solution is upgrade to debian ;) |
| 12:41.52 | jargon- | how do i configure the font size of xterm? where do i find the config file? |
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| 12:41.59 | skinder | >BCM4312 low-power variant (PCI-ID 14E4:4315). * Requires Linux 2.6.32 and firmware 4.174.64.19. |
| 12:42.01 | PerfDave | blue_anna: You'l have to ask #ubuntu that question |
| 12:42.02 | ff88 | thank you Bushmills |
| 12:42.05 | Bushmills | np |
| 12:42.06 | skinder | firmware? |
| 12:42.10 | badipod | PerfDave: KDE would stull probably be too heavy :/ |
| 12:42.14 | badipod | Still* |
| 12:42.20 | badipod | I've never tried it though |
| 12:42.22 | PerfDave | badipod: It wasn't on my old 64MB Pentium III desktop :) |
| 12:42.30 | Bushmills | blue_anna: what makes you think that your problems will disappear with gcc4.5? |
| 12:42.32 | badipod | Oh? Ok then, neat |
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| 12:42.48 | Bushmills | ff88: check out xfce4 |
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| 12:43.21 | Bushmills | relatively light, but still "environment". more than just a window manager. looks gnomish. |
| 12:43.30 | blue_anna | Bushmills: I don't know that they will :) I want to try it to see ... I know they did some work on adding IEEE754 to ARM so I'm hoping maybe they fixed it on powerpc |
| 12:43.57 | ff88 | Bushmills: do you find better xfce4 or lxde? And are there Debian packages for lxde? |
| 12:43.58 | Bushmills | blue_anna: eliminating the reason your "your problems" seems like a better approach |
| 12:44.18 | blue_anna | Bushmills: how do you mean? |
| 12:44.25 | Bushmills | ff88: yes, and yes. but i don't know lxde that well |
| 12:44.30 | Kuifje111 | I have a question. What is the best distro to run on a 700 MHz? I don't need a lot of features, just a GUI and some basic applications like firefox and such. |
| 12:44.40 | ff88 | Bushmills: ok :) |
| 12:44.46 | PerfDave | Kuifje111: A 700MHz what? :) |
| 12:44.56 | PerfDave | Kuifje111: Also, how much RAM do you have? |
| 12:44.56 | Kuifje111 | 700 MHz laptop* |
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| 12:45.08 | PerfDave | Kuifje111: I mean, what processor? |
| 12:45.14 | Kuifje111 | 312 MB or so. |
| 12:45.15 | Bushmills | blue_anna: eliminate the reason of the problem. it is unlikely that the problem is because of v4.3 or v.4.4 instead if v4.5 |
| 12:45.16 | Bushmills | of |
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| 12:45.22 | Kuifje111 | dont know what CPU. |
| 12:45.23 | PerfDave | would probably recommend using the Lenny CD installer with LXDE. |
| 12:45.32 | skinder | i need install b43 and after it install the firmware, like here http://bit.ly/5mQukD , yes? |
| 12:45.34 | PerfDave | Kuifje111: Presumably some i386-class? |
| 12:45.45 | Kuifje111 | I guess so, yes. |
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| 12:45.57 | blue_anna | Bushmills: well I've looked into this some.. I think the problem is that IEEE754 is not correctly implimented in gcc 4.4.3 |
| 12:46.05 | blue_anna | Bushmills: http://pastebin.ws/6tahvb |
| 12:46.11 | Bushmills | Kuifje111: debian with xfce4 runs nicely with 512 MiB, which a lot of it still to spare |
| 12:46.31 | Kuifje111 | Bushmills: all right, thanks. |
| 12:46.33 | e1z0 | its possible to find debian sarge ppc netinstall iso ? |
| 12:46.44 | blue_anna | Bushmills: I mean at least on the powerpc |
| 12:46.46 | Bushmills | needs about 120 .. 150 MB without a lot of things running |
| 12:46.49 | PerfDave | e1z0: Why do you want to install sarge? It's not supoprted any more... |
| 12:46.57 | Bushmills | but firefox can be rather heavy |
| 12:47.12 | e1z0 | i had an old power book g3 |
| 12:47.28 | e1z0 | i think newer version wont run on it |
| 12:48.04 | Bushmills | oh, these "not a lot" includes things like openvpn, mpd, dns cache etc |
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| 12:49.07 | e1z0 | but i think sarge repositories are dead too, i'm right ? |
| 12:49.33 | PerfDave | e1z0: There's probably an archive of them. Have you *tried* Lenny? |
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| 12:49.50 | engla | it's debian, it should work still right? |
| 12:50.00 | e1z0 | nope |
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| 12:50.52 | PerfDave | e1z0: I'd try Lenny, or ask #debian-ppc |
| 12:51.07 | e1z0 | ok, thx for the information |
| 12:51.36 | PerfDave | e1z0: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/powerpc/ch02s01.html.en suggests that it'd run on a G3 from my reading |
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| 12:52.30 | e1z0 | hmm, maybe |
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| 12:52.48 | e1z0 | but new software will run slow on this kind of hardware |
| 12:53.05 | e1z0 | it have only 266mhz 1mb cache, 256mb ram, and 20gb hdd |
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| 12:54.25 | PerfDave | e1z0: That's more than adequate for a Lenny install. |
| 12:54.53 | PerfDave | e1z0: This isn't Windows, you know - a new version of GNU/Linux isn't automatically more bloated than the last ;) |
| 12:55.09 | zer0x | is there a console based manpage command that reads man pages from an internet based service? |
| 12:55.17 | e1z0 | yeah |
| 12:55.28 | e1z0 | i think i will put kde2 on it, lol |
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| 12:56.34 | zer0x | umm, maybe surfraw has something like that.. |
| 12:56.53 | PerfDave | e1z0: I doubt you'll get much support if you run into trouble installing something as old and unsupported as sarge. |
| 12:56.58 | ali3n | whats with the 5 dvd if most of it fits on the first dvd |
| 12:57.26 | PerfDave | ali3n: Most of it doesn't fit on the first DVD, that's why there are five DVD images. You don't need all five or even one. |
| 12:57.41 | PerfDave | ali3n: Most of the most popular packages fit on the first DVD, but that's not the same thing :) |
| 12:58.34 | ali3n | well i got a new hdd and new case so i need to get my debian back lol |
| 13:00.44 | e1z0 | the better way is to find user who own g3 powerbook and clone his hdd with dd |
| 13:00.45 | e1z0 | :-) |
| 13:01.29 | ali3n | is it possible to have 2 hard drives in a linux box? |
| 13:01.33 | PerfDave | ali3n: Yes |
| 13:01.45 | ali3n | sweet |
| 13:01.52 | PerfDave | Or, say, 2048 hard drives or something ;) |
| 13:02.27 | PerfDave | ali3n: Do you mean just as seperate devices, or as RAID or something? |
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| 13:02.36 | ali3n | i hate raid lol |
| 13:02.41 | e1z0 | lvm! |
| 13:02.43 | PerfDave | Why so? |
| 13:02.58 | ali3n | i have a 60gb and a 160gb the 160gb is the new master |
| 13:03.06 | ali3n | because its a pain sometimes lol |
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| 13:03.13 | PerfDave | I've never found it a pain. |
| 13:03.21 | PerfDave | has his Debian install on encrypted LVM on RAID-1 |
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| 13:05.05 | e1z0 | ;-) |
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| 13:06.38 | kaluva | Hi. I'd like to set default mount options in HAL 0.5.11, but the docs don't tell me how to do that. Is it even possible? |
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| 13:08.08 | manchot | do I need selinux for a server? |
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| 13:08.19 | PerfDave | manchot: Need? No. |
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| 13:09.11 | manchot | PerfDave, it is somehow installed with policycoreutils. |
| 13:09.31 | manchot | PerfDave, can you tell me why? I think I don't need it but not so sure |
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| 13:09.52 | PerfDave | manchot: policycoreutils depends on libselinux1... |
| 13:10.32 | manchot | PerfDave, I know. Just checked. Any reason to use or not to use selinux? |
| 13:10.37 | manchot | for a server |
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| 13:11.39 | zer0x | what is the correct file to set environment variables on shell login? |
| 13:11.44 | zer0x | .bashrc? |
| 13:11.57 | PerfDave | zer0x: .bash_profile if you're using bash, or .profile... |
| 13:12.03 | zer0x | PerfDave: cheers :) |
| 13:12.21 | PerfDave | manchot: Well, SELinux does protect you against certain security exploits, in theory. |
| 13:12.22 | eshat | zer0x: I would recommenct .profile, since not everybod is using bash on a MiltiUserSystem |
| 13:12.40 | eshat | zer0x: not so, if this only affects zou |
| 13:12.40 | PerfDave | eshat: But if it's a local dotfile, it'll be whatever the user's using ;) |
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| 13:13.02 | PerfDave | manchot: The downside is that bugs in the SELinux profile can cause problems, but I suspect they're a bit more ironed out these days. |
| 13:13.11 | eshat | PerfDave: true,... dind't think that far ;) |
| 13:15.00 | PerfDave | manchot: Still, SELinux can behave in interesting ways, so you may want a test server to bring your services up. Personally, I don't use SELinux on internal servers, but do on Internet-facing ones. |
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| 13:15.53 | manchot | PerfDave, thank you. I will just remove it. another question: does hdparm have any use for SATA disks? |
| 13:16.42 | orfix | Hi, i started `top' on an xterm window pts/4 then i closed the window, i opened another one and typed `ps -ef | grep top' and i surprisingly found that the top process is still there how can i get it to the forground ? i tryed `fg' but it doesn't work top was not started with &. |
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| 13:17.09 | PerfDave | orfix: Is it running in screen or something? |
| 13:17.17 | orfix | PerfDave: nop |
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| 13:21.11 | lindi- | orfix: iki.fi/lindi/screenify |
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| 13:22.05 | Kunsi | Hello, I have a debian squeeze system. How can i install php5 from sid without needing to upgrade the whole system? |
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| 13:22.49 | PerfDave | Kunsi: If you have to ask that question, you probably don't want to be running a non-stable release like Squeeze ;) |
| 13:23.10 | Kuifje111 | Kunsi: edit your sources.list, but that isnt recommended (afaik). I did it in the past though. |
| 13:23.16 | lindi- | Kunsi: squeeze and sid seem to have the same version of php5 |
| 13:23.25 | dvs | Kunsi: squeeze has php5 |
| 13:23.33 | PerfDave | Kunsi: Dependencies permitting, you might be able to just download the debs from sid and dpkg --install them |
| 13:23.37 | dvs | Kunsi: and it's the same version as sid |
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| 13:23.58 | Kunsi | the version is the same, yes. but squeeze has no php5-imagick |
| 13:24.14 | Kunsi | and i need that |
| 13:24.15 | Kuifje111 | Kunsi: compile it from source? |
| 13:24.42 | PerfDave | Kunsi: There may be a reason for that... |
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| 13:25.37 | dvs | Kunsi: it was removed from testing in February |
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| 13:26.11 | dvs | Kunsi: looks like it hasn't been touched in 2 years. |
| 13:26.22 | PerfDave | Kunsi: http://packages.qa.debian.org/p/php-imagick.html - looks like the things it depends on are broken in testing. |
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| 13:27.37 | ErNci | hey |
| 13:27.38 | ErNci | iam:/backup# ls -la |
| 13:27.41 | ErNci | ls: reading directory .: Input/output error |
| 13:27.41 | ali3n | cant wait to get my torrent box back lol |
| 13:27.43 | ErNci | total 0 |
| 13:27.46 | ErNci | what's this normally caused by ? |
| 13:27.56 | ErNci | df -h shows /dev/sdb1 mounted on /backup correctly. |
| 13:28.12 | lindi- | ErNci: dmesg? |
| 13:28.27 | orfix | PerfDave: lindi-: here's what i am talking about http://pastebin.com/tnxEdP9N |
| 13:28.36 | Kunsi | so ⦠how can i install php5-imagick in squeeze? |
| 13:28.39 | ErNci | lindi-: I am pretty sure at boot it mounted OK as I was using the fold a couple weeks ago |
| 13:29.06 | ErNci | and my desg is currently full of ipfw blocks ;( |
| 13:29.06 | PerfDave | Kunsi: At the moment, it looks like you can't. Try fixing the bugs which are keeping the packages it depends on out of squeeze? |
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| 13:29.10 | lindi- | orfix: odd, top should have died due to signal |
| 13:29.31 | lindi- | ErNci: nothing about sdb in dmesg? |
| 13:29.32 | orfix | lindi-: yes that what i though :/ |
| 13:29.47 | lindi- | orfix: which terminal is that? |
| 13:29.51 | lindi- | orfix: unstable? |
| 13:29.55 | ErNci | [ 3.381482] sd 1:0:0:0: [sdb] Attached SCSI disk |
| 13:30.00 | ErNci | [ 12.798922] EXT3 FS on sdb1, internal journal |
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| 13:30.57 | orfix | lindi-: lenny 5.0.4 |
| 13:31.23 | ErNci | lindi-: any ideas? :S |
| 13:31.31 | ErNci | I cant seem to umount or umount -f it either |
| 13:31.44 | kaluva | ErNci: What /is/ sdb1? |
| 13:31.54 | orfix | lindi-: how can i know which terminal i am using ? i think it's gnome-terminal |
| 13:31.58 | lindi- | ErNci: zgrep sdb /var/log/* |
| 13:32.08 | lindi- | orfix: ps should show |
| 13:32.14 | ErNci | it's a secondy db :) *zgreps* |
| 13:32.17 | kaluva | ErNci: And does it still appear in /proc/mounts ? |
| 13:32.19 | ErNci | secondary HD* |
| 13:32.56 | ErNci | aha I see errors in kern.log |
| 13:32.57 | orfix | lindi-: yep it's gnome-terminal |
| 13:33.03 | ErNci | kern.log:May 30 06:26:00 iam kernel: [2728423.933261] EXT3-fs error (device sdb1 ): ext3_find_entry: reading directory #2 offset 0 |
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| 13:33.16 | ErNci | abd a few if these |
| 13:33.17 | ErNci | kern.log.2.gz:May 16 06:25:48 iam kernel: [1518699.621661] lost page write due t o I/O error on sdb1 |
| 13:33.23 | lindi- | ErNci: can you put the whole kern.log online? |
| 13:33.28 | ErNci | 1 sec |
| 13:33.30 | lindi- | ErNci: paste.debian.net for example |
| 13:33.34 | ErNci | all the log, or just the zgrep? |
| 13:33.48 | lindi- | ErNci: everything if at all possible |
| 13:34.16 | obcecado | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:34.37 | ErNci | http://pastebin.com/shfVy2K3 is the zgrep, i'll drop the kern.log also, although there some in syslog too |
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| 13:36.49 | orfix | lindi-: it's exactly what's descibed here https://bugs.launchpad.net/gnome-terminal/+bug/234753 :/ |
| 13:36.56 | ErNci | http://pastebin.com/wcCHUwbC kern.log, although remote iptables as they were spamming |
| 13:36.59 | ErNci | removed* |
| 13:37.08 | ErNci | any ideas? can I check if it's a broken HD somehow? |
| 13:37.24 | kaluva | ErNci: Broken HD most likely. And yes. |
| 13:37.34 | kaluva | Edit fstab so sdb won't get mounted again |
| 13:37.44 | ErNci | and kaluva it's in /proc/mounts |
| 13:37.50 | ErNci | kk |
| 13:37.53 | kaluva | Turn off PC, check cables just to be sure. |
| 13:37.56 | ErNci | then I can reboot and fsck ? |
| 13:38.11 | ErNci | mmm I can do that |
| 13:38.16 | ErNci | it's a remotely hosted server |
| 13:38.17 | ErNci | cant* |
| 13:38.28 | kaluva | ErNci: Time to call support then. |
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| 13:38.40 | Bushmills | no rescue system to boot into? |
| 13:38.58 | lindi- | ErNci: smartctl -a /dev/sdb? |
| 13:38.58 | ErNci | alright but those errors above are normally what happens when a HD breaks? |
| 13:39.10 | kaluva | ErNci: Yeah, pretty much. |
| 13:39.26 | ErNci | lindi-: smartctl not found, nor in aptitude. |
| 13:39.30 | ErNci | kk |
| 13:39.43 | eshat | ErNci: smartmontools |
| 13:39.48 | ErNci | kaluva: is there any program I can run from the command against the drive to confirm? |
| 13:39.51 | lindi- | ErNci: apt-file search bin/smartctl |
| 13:40.05 | kaluva | ErNci: Well, smartctl |
| 13:40.22 | kaluva | Or badblocks |
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| 13:40.34 | Kuifje111 | what does the drop rate of an eth interface mean? |
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| 13:40.48 | ErNci | mmm this is wierd |
| 13:40.50 | kaluva | But badblocks takes a long time, and doesn't really tel you what's up. |
| 13:40.51 | obcecado | smartmontools |
| 13:41.00 | ErNci | the device doesnt exist anymore |
| 13:41.35 | kaluva | ErNci: Err, no /dev/sdb anymore? Anything new in dmesg? |
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| 13:43.16 | ErNci | no :S |
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| 13:43.44 | ErNci | this is wierd |
| 13:43.50 | kaluva | ErNci: What kind of server is that? A virtual one? |
| 13:43.53 | ErNci | I am considering if it would be worth rebooting |
| 13:43.54 | aguitel | i cannot connect to wireless in my system, i use squeeze and kde4 ,with gnome everything all right |
| 13:43.55 | ErNci | no, it's a real one |
| 13:44.22 | kaluva | ErNci: Maybe it has hotplugging for disks. I'd reboot, unless that is expensive. |
| 13:44.22 | ErNci | if I reboot, is there a risk the system will not come back up? |
| 13:44.23 | manchot | I get a message "can't send to channel" in other channels. what to do? |
| 13:44.30 | ErNci | alright |
| 13:44.33 | ErNci | i'll do a backup first |
| 13:44.36 | ErNci | as that HD was my backup disk ;) |
| 13:44.44 | cahoot | manchot: unregistered nick? |
| 13:44.46 | ErNci | then i'll try a reboot :) btw ty guys so far |
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| 13:45.04 | manchot | cahoot, yes. how to register? |
| 13:45.04 | kaluva | ErNci: Like I said, remove sdb from fstab, then the risk is small. |
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| 13:46.10 | cahoot | manchot: /msg nickeserv help register |
| 13:46.10 | lindi- | linux willl still read partition table from it |
| 13:46.18 | cahoot | err nickserv |
| 13:46.31 | manchot | cahoot, thank you. |
| 13:47.18 | aguitel | i cannot connect to wireless in my system, i use squeeze and kde4 ,with gnome everything all right ,anyone know this problem ? |
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| 13:48.14 | bjoernb | hello |
| 13:49.33 | dvs | aguitel: sounds like you need wicd. |
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| 13:50.04 | aguitel | dvs, and what about knetwork-manager ? |
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| 13:50.19 | dvs | aguitel: that'll work... as long as you use KDE |
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| 13:50.32 | dvs | aguitel: wicd will work even if you're not using a GUI |
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| 13:54.07 | bechampy | there is no response in the grub channel so maybe someone over here can help me. I am trying to chainload grub2 to a different harddisk, this harddisk has gpt instead of a MBR. I can boot the gpt hd directly from the bios but not by chainloading grub2 to (hd5). I tried every possible way to boot into OSX SL but nothing works. Anybody got a suggestion? |
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| 13:55.18 | wols_ | bechampy: uname -r |
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| 13:55.47 | PerfDave | aguitel: There are some known bugs in squeeze's knetworkmanager; I use the GNOME nm-applet with KDE in Squeeze and it works fine. |
| 13:55.58 | bechampy | wols_: you want to know my kernel version? |
| 13:56.09 | bechampy | 2.6.34-0.dmz.6-liquorix-amd64 |
| 13:56.27 | bechampy | why do you need that? |
| 13:56.29 | PerfDave | aguitel: What do you mean by "i cannot connect to wireless in my system", exactly? |
| 13:56.42 | wols_ | !liquorix |
| 13:56.53 | dvs | PerfDave: I guessing he's using gnome-network-manager |
| 13:56.58 | bechampy | ? |
| 13:57.02 | wols_ | bechampy: please go to whatever supprt infrastructure liquorix has |
| 13:57.16 | aguitel | PerfDave, i see all the wireless around my home but it not connect with everyone |
| 13:57.25 | bechampy | my question has nothing to do with my kernel, i do have a standard squeeze kernel as well |
| 13:57.33 | bechampy | its a grub2 question |
| 13:57.37 | PerfDave | aguitel: I'd check /var/log/daemon.log to see what network-manager is doing under the hood. |
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| 13:57.46 | wols_ | bechampy: yes, your question has nothing to do with debian and hance you are wrong here. have a nice day |
| 13:58.04 | aguitel | PerfDave, ok thanks |
| 13:58.24 | bechampy | well debian gave me my grub2 by default so.. |
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| 13:59.10 | wols_ | !debian based |
| 13:59.10 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't know what changes were made by your distribution and it probably falls short of Debian's standards. #debian only supports Debian; you should respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 14:00.43 | kaluva | bechampy: Is that grub2 you are using the one that came with debian? |
| 14:01.04 | bechampy | well if it makes u happy i can boot into my squeeze with the standard debian kernel but that doesnt change the question or situation, |
| 14:01.07 | bechampy | yup |
| 14:01.38 | bechampy | i have a standard squeeze system with normal squeeze kernel and a liquorix kernel added |
| 14:01.55 | bechampy | liquorix kernel has nothing to do with my question |
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| 14:02.10 | kaluva | wols_: In that case he is quite right in asking here. Sorry I can't help with grub2. |
| 14:02.28 | bechampy | thanx |
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| 14:03.41 | danutz | hello guys,can someone guide me installing a dns server and to point my domain to it(I Already tried alot of tutorials and I`m going crazy already)... |
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| 14:10.11 | ErNci | common sense check |
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| 14:10.19 | ErNci | power off w/ shutdown on debian is? |
| 14:10.21 | ErNci | shutdown -ph ? |
| 14:10.54 | bars0 | ErNCI: as root: shutdown -h now |
| 14:11.24 | ErNci | will that power off also? |
| 14:11.36 | ErNci | important i power it off. |
| 14:11.45 | bars0 | ErNci: yes |
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| 14:15.33 | Kunsi | hum |
| 14:15.38 | Kunsi | one more question |
| 14:16.27 | Kunsi | php5-imagick/unstable needs package libmagickcore2, which isnt available for amd64. how can i install this package? |
| 14:16.55 | wols_ | welcome to unstable |
| 14:17.21 | bjoernb | Kunsi: do you really want to install unstable php5-imagick on your server? |
| 14:17.30 | Kunsi | yes. |
| 14:17.33 | PerfDave | bjoernb: Kunsi's server is running squeeze already. |
| 14:17.55 | wols_ | Kunsi: you are cool enough to run testing. you figure it out yourself |
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| 14:18.04 | PerfDave | Kunsi: I suspect you want to go and talk to the Debian PHP5 team about how you can best help fix the Debian php5-imagick package and its dependencies... |
| 14:18.04 | wols_ | hint: compilers are AWESOME |
| 14:18.15 | bjoernb | Kunsi: are there any features in that version that you depend on ? |
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| 14:18.30 | Kunsi | bjoernb: i need php5.3 and imagick. |
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| 14:18.34 | wols_ | ,versions php5-imagick |
| 14:18.37 | judd | php5-imagick -- etch: 0.9.11+1-4.1; lenny: 2.1.1RC1-1; sid: 2.1.1RC1-1+b1 |
| 14:18.50 | wols_ | this alone should tell you what to do |
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| 14:19.12 | Kunsi | lenny has php5.3.xx |
| 14:19.16 | Kunsi | 5.2.xx* |
| 14:19.28 | wols_ | ,versions php5 |
| 14:19.29 | judd | php5 -- etch: 5.2.0+dfsg-8+etch16; etch-security: 5.2.0+dfsg-8+etch16; lenny: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny4; lenny-security: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny8; sid: 5.3.2-1; squeeze: 5.3.2-1 |
| 14:19.42 | Kunsi | or do you simply mean: 'install php5-imagick from stable'? |
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| 14:21.51 | bjoernb | Kunsi: you are using squeeze. squeeze and sid do have the same version of php5. then lenny and sid have nearly the same version of php5-imagick and there is no version in squeeze. so what to do now? |
| 14:23.52 | wols_ | bjoernb: thow the hands in the air and should "the world is ending! woe is me!" |
| 14:24.02 | wols_ | *throw and *shout |
| 14:24.17 | KaffeeJunky123 | hello, I'm suddenly having troubly with my places menu, the folder shortcuts don't work correctly, I get an error message wich tells me that the storage place file:///home/user could not be displayed, no storage place is bound to this action, or something like that, I'm translating this error message from german to english... |
| 14:25.20 | PerfDave | Kunsi: "places menu" in which application? |
| 14:26.34 | KaffeeJunky123 | PerfDave: Gnome Panel |
| 14:27.03 | Kunsi | http://pastebin.com/JttKfnNW â what the fuck is phpapi-20060613 and why isn't it installed already? |
| 14:27.40 | ali3n | is torrentflux still in the repos? |
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| 14:27.51 | PerfDave | Kunsi: Because you screwed something up, at a guess.. there's no mention of it on p.d.o |
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| 14:28.53 | PerfDave | Kunsi: Trying to bodge Lenny packages onto a Squeeze system doesn't seem like a great idea either to be honest. |
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| 14:29.53 | Kunsi | PerfDave: its the same if i try unstabe, exept i need libmagickcore2 and libmagickwand2, too. |
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| 14:30.30 | PerfDave | Kunsi: That's probably less of a bad idea, but still a bad idea if you don't understand what you're doing, which you don't appear to. |
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| 14:31.47 | PerfDave | Kunsi: Have you checked the BTS for php5-imagick? |
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| 14:32.45 | KaffeeJunky123 | where can I configure the places menu in the gnome panel, system->settings->mainmenu doesn't seem to cover the places menu |
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| 14:40.28 | hid3 | I want to compile a custom kernel. Start blaming on me now! |
| 14:40.47 | xelister | throws a rock @ hid3 |
| 14:41.03 | hid3 | Hell no! Don't kill me! |
| 14:41.10 | KaffeeJunky123 | hid3: aptitude install kbuild-kernelcrap |
| 14:41.26 | hid3 | yeah yeah |
| 14:41.39 | hid3 | btw, I still use apt-get ;-) |
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| 14:41.56 | KaffeeJunky123 | and don't forget important modules when compiling ur shit kernel |
| 14:42.06 | KaffeeJunky123 | I meant |
| 14:42.08 | KaffeeJunky123 | custom |
| 14:42.10 | KaffeeJunky123 | ofc |
| 14:42.31 | hid3 | why do you think a custom kernel = a crappy kernel? |
| 14:42.58 | hid3 | there's a proverb that 'a thing which fits everything in fact fits nothing' |
| 14:43.04 | KaffeeJunky123 | what do you know about the kernel? |
| 14:43.06 | hid3 | That's the case with stock kernel, I think |
| 14:43.13 | hid3 | Nothing. |
| 14:43.14 | PerfDave | hid3: There's generally very little point in using a custom kernel. |
| 14:43.16 | KaffeeJunky123 | see |
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| 14:43.23 | KaffeeJunky123 | that's why it's going to be a crappy kernel |
| 14:43.28 | KaffeeJunky123 | =) |
| 14:43.36 | PerfDave | hid3: What do you hope to gain by using a custom kernel? |
| 14:43.39 | hid3 | Well, I hate those loadable modules :( |
| 14:43.46 | PerfDave | Why do you hate loadable modules? |
| 14:43.46 | KaffeeJunky123 | rifk |
| 14:44.08 | KaffeeJunky123 | because he wants his kernel image to be big and mean |
| 14:44.13 | hid3 | PerfDave: got rid of useless modules (yeah, ipv6 and other crap such as acpi, etc) and gain some performance by saving at least a few megs of ram/cpu cycles |
| 14:44.31 | hid3 | because they're slow and there are tons of them which I don't need |
| 14:44.41 | PerfDave | hid3: You don't need to compile a custom kernel to do that. Your kernel won't load stuff it doesn't think it needs, and you can remove and blacklist stuff that you don't want. |
| 14:44.45 | KaffeeJunky123 | you don't have to load them |
| 14:44.49 | KaffeeJunky123 | If you don't need them |
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| 14:45.11 | hid3 | yeah, I know that |
| 14:45.16 | PerfDave | And if they're really not needed, then they won't be used, so they won't save you any CPU cycles. |
| 14:45.23 | hid3 | But what if I want to apply some patches to the kernel? |
| 14:45.45 | PerfDave | hid3: Then you probably want to know more than the "nothing" you claim to know about the kernel :) |
| 14:46.06 | hid3 | the more we learn, the less we know |
| 14:46.21 | KaffeeJunky123 | this is utter nonsens |
| 14:46.36 | hid3 | OK. Can't making a custom kernel be just a hobby? |
| 14:46.56 | PerfDave | hid3: If you like, but it's still liable to be crappy ;) |
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| 14:47.00 | hid3 | It's like fishing or knitting |
| 14:47.08 | liable | what? |
| 14:47.12 | PerfDave | hasn't bothered hand-rolling kernels for many many years. |
| 14:47.14 | hid3 | lol |
| 14:47.15 | hid3 | :D |
| 14:47.35 | KaffeeJunky123 | if you want a hobby with linux 'n kernel stuff |
| 14:47.37 | KaffeeJunky123 | get LFS |
| 14:47.55 | KaffeeJunky123 | it's fun |
| 14:47.55 | PerfDave | Frankly, the stock kernels from just about any distro are Good Enough, and I'd rather spend that time getting out in the sunshine ;) |
| 14:48.15 | KaffeeJunky123 | PerfDave: there's no sunshine out there buddy |
| 14:48.16 | hid3 | but seriously. Why does everyone to to convince me not to make a custom kernel? What are real reasons? |
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| 14:48.21 | PerfDave | KaffeeJunky123: There is out here ;) |
| 14:48.21 | xelister | takes away PerfDave's linux mug |
| 14:48.22 | KaffeeJunky123 | PerfDave: rain all day long -.- |
| 14:48.36 | hid3 | PerfDave: it's raining outside ATM! |
| 14:48.40 | liable | KaffeeJunky123: because its largely a waste of time |
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| 14:48.53 | liable | erm hid3 ^^ |
| 14:49.03 | hid3 | yeah, got it was said to me |
| 14:49.14 | hid3 | but ok, that's my time being wasted, isn't it? |
| 14:49.20 | PerfDave | hid3: Making a custom kernel is probably going to waste your time, probably not going to do anything better than the kernel you have, and probably waste *our* time when you complain to us that it doesn't work properly. |
| 14:49.41 | PerfDave | hid3: And you're *not* going to discover some secret efficiency saving that is going to make your system measurably faster. |
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| 14:50.01 | KaffeeJunky123 | hid3: if you're doing custom kernel stuff on debian, make sure to read the debian manual on that topic first |
| 14:50.02 | hid3 | I liked that about the complaints |
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| 14:50.18 | PerfDave | hid3: But hey, if you want to waste your time, go ahead. It's not a bad thing to learn, if only for the sake of understanding. Just don't think that you're going to gain any performance advantage from it :) |
| 14:50.21 | KaffeeJunky123 | hid3: because you're going to cry about module problems otherwise, I promise |
| 14:50.26 | hid3 | In fact I'm running custom kernels on all debian systems since early 2.6.xx and never complained about anything not working |
| 14:50.46 | KaffeeJunky123 | haha |
| 14:50.50 | PerfDave | hid3: That's funny, you said you knew nothing about building custom kernels above. |
| 14:50.53 | KaffeeJunky123 | so you do know some stuff |
| 14:50.59 | PerfDave | thinks that hid3 is just trolling now |
| 14:51.15 | KaffeeJunky123 | well anyways where's that evil places menu config hidding? |
| 14:51.18 | hid3 | PerfDave: I didn't say I know nothing about BUILDING kernels. In fact I know nothing about kernels in general |
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| 14:51.29 | installer | Hi. |
| 14:52.04 | KaffeeJunky123 | hm actually it seems to be an error of gnome-open wtf |
| 14:52.37 | PerfDave | Hello installer |
| 14:52.45 | KaffeeJunky123 | error while displaying an url: there's no action bound to this storage place |
| 14:53.01 | KaffeeJunky123 | or something like that, I hate translating stuff from german to english |
| 14:53.09 | PerfDave | KaffeeJunky123: Nobody in #debian-de ? |
| 14:53.19 | installer | Question: I'm trying to understand uuid in grub and fail completely. Does device.map have to be modified? should (hd0,0) repaced by some uuid stuff? any help? thanks. |
| 14:53.26 | KaffeeJunky123 | PerfDave: there's never anyone in debian-de who knows stuff =) |
| 14:53.33 | PerfDave | installer: What are you trying to achieve? |
| 14:53.57 | installer | PerfDave: being able to boot with 2.6.32-bpo.4-amd64 |
| 14:54.19 | PerfDave | installer: What version of Debian are you running? |
| 14:54.23 | KaffeeJunky123 | isn't that package broken to begin with? |
| 14:54.25 | installer | PerfDave: it warned at install that uuid had to be used and would create a great mess... it did |
| 14:54.39 | installer | PerfDave: lenny, using backport for the kernel |
| 14:54.44 | KaffeeJunky123 | PerfDave: he's obviously running lenny, otherwise that bpo stuff wouldn't make any sens |
| 14:54.45 | KaffeeJunky123 | ^^ |
| 14:55.23 | PerfDave | KaffeeJunky123: It's always worth asking. I wouldn't be surprised to see someone trying to install a kernel from lenny-backports on Fedora round here... |
| 14:55.30 | hid3 | installer: wanna make your own custom kernel too instead? :D |
| 14:55.39 | KaffeeJunky123 | PerfDave: haha true that |
| 14:55.45 | PerfDave | installer: Anything in /usr/share/doc/linux-image-2.6.32-bpo.4-amd64 ? |
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| 14:55.51 | installer | hid3: if avoidable, no |
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| 14:56.28 | KaffeeJunky123 | did it install a new grub version? |
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| 14:56.40 | delaman | im having trouble with my VPS i get this http://pastebin.com/qrtLZa2N |
| 14:56.46 | installer | KaffeeJunky123: no. |
| 14:57.53 | PerfDave | installer: Have you tried asking #grub? |
| 14:57.53 | KaffeeJunky123 | installer: the debian lenny version of grub doesn't support that uuid stuff iirc |
| 14:57.58 | installer | PerfDave: no, doc doesnt mention that |
| 14:58.13 | installer | PerfDave: not yet |
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| 14:58.26 | installer | KaffeeJunky123: hummm... nice...:( |
| 14:58.38 | PerfDave | delaman: echo $LS_COLORS |
| 14:58.48 | KaffeeJunky123 | installer: and the installer scripts should've set up grub properly anyways |
| 14:59.14 | installer | KaffeeJunky123: unfortunately not :( |
| 14:59.17 | PerfDave | KaffeeJunky123: It's a backported package, it's not exactly going to be supported by lenny's update-grub if it's got weird requirements. |
| 14:59.20 | KaffeeJunky123 | installer: how exactly does booting fail? |
| 14:59.39 | delaman | PerfDave: http://pastebin.com/5kw5Ayiw |
| 14:59.58 | KaffeeJunky123 | PerfDave: I had that one installed already, but it lacked some packages for kms, it should actually work |
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| 15:00.05 | installer | KaffeeJunky123: complai,ns it cant find /dev/sda2 and stop |
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| 15:00.32 | KaffeeJunky123 | installer: did you hand edit stuff in the menu.lst? |
| 15:00.49 | installer | KaffeeJunky123: trying to solve the problem, yes |
| 15:01.01 | installer | KaffeeJunky123: but the problem occured before |
| 15:01.20 | PerfDave | delaman: echo $SHELL |
| 15:01.35 | PerfDave | installer: Do you want to copy and paste your menu.list using paste.debian.net or similar? |
| 15:01.38 | KaffeeJunky123 | installer: would you mind pasting your menu.lst to pastie.org or something? |
| 15:01.41 | KaffeeJunky123 | haha |
| 15:01.49 | KaffeeJunky123 | genius minds think alike ;) |
| 15:02.07 | KaffeeJunky123 | or in german 'zwei Dumme ein Gedanke' |
| 15:02.34 | delaman | PerfDave: http://pastebin.com/mpDwGaZG |
| 15:02.53 | PerfDave | delaman: If iy's just a one-line answer, you don't need to pastebin it ;) |
| 15:03.06 | wols_ | installer: pastebin your menu.lst |
| 15:03.08 | PerfDave | delaman: It's strange, because that LS_COLORS variable looks OK to me :) |
| 15:03.16 | KaffeeJunky123 | wich literally means, two fools one thought |
| 15:03.32 | wols_ | delaman: alias |
| 15:03.40 | PerfDave | KaffeeJunky123: There are two English phrases - "great minds think alike" and "fools seldom differ" |
| 15:04.11 | delaman | wols_: http://pastebin.com/wNGH2kVX |
| 15:04.32 | PerfDave | delaman: OK, *that*'s broken |
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| 15:04.53 | wols_ | delaman: and what is $LS_OPTIONS ? |
| 15:05.04 | installer | PerfDave: http://paste.debian.net/75461/ |
| 15:05.36 | delaman | wols_: http://pastebin.com/UETF7ftr |
| 15:06.05 | wols_ | delaman: and ls -l `which ls` |
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| 15:06.41 | Rajko | how do i print instlled packages |
| 15:06.59 | liable | !selections |
| 15:07.07 | delaman | wols_: dont understand |
| 15:07.14 | wols_ | Rajko: dpkg -l | grep ^ii |
| 15:07.21 | liable | hmm, what happened to that factoid.. |
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| 15:07.44 | wols_ | delaman: your initial paste sounds like a maleformed script is involved with your "ls" command somewow |
| 15:08.04 | wols_ | and the command I wrote shows us what your ls binary looks like, size, perms, etc |
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| 15:08.11 | delaman | wols_: let me show u what happens when i try to upgrade |
| 15:09.02 | delaman | wols_: http://pastebin.com/8EkRG12x |
| 15:09.56 | wols_ | delaman: copy a "ls" binary from somewhere else to /usr/local/bin |
| 15:10.06 | wols_ | then you should use that for now |
| 15:10.11 | Parsifal | I'm drunk so I'm going to call dpkg for no particular reason, feel free to ban me until I sober up |
| 15:10.16 | Parsifal | ! drunk |
| 15:10.17 | dpkg | i heard drunk is BLARGH!!! |
| 15:10.22 | wols_ | since /usr/local/bin (probably) is before /bin in your $PATH |
| 15:10.25 | installer | there is nothing very fancy in this menu.lst... |
| 15:10.39 | wols_ | installer: then what is your problem? |
| 15:10.42 | KaffeeJunky123 | installer: this looks rather strange to me, what's the partition called on wich your / resides? |
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| 15:10.52 | wols_ | your menu.lst is not fancy, all works and we're all happy |
| 15:11.05 | wols_ | grabs simonrvn and dances around happily |
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| 15:11.33 | installer | KaffeeJunky123: ther partition is in an lvm on a physical partition /dev/sda2 |
| 15:11.56 | KaffeeJunky123 | well |
| 15:11.59 | installer | wols_: it doesnt work, that's the problem |
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| 15:12.15 | KaffeeJunky123 | then you should use root (hd0,1) |
| 15:12.21 | wols_ | !doesn't work |
| 15:12.22 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>. |
| 15:12.28 | KaffeeJunky123 | and in the kernel line root=/dev/sda2 |
| 15:12.41 | wols_ | KaffeeJunky123: a lvm is not a partition |
| 15:12.56 | installer | wols_: you self said "all works" 2 llines ago |
| 15:13.14 | installer | KaffeeJunky123: that wouldnt work |
| 15:13.41 | installer | btw all works fine wthi the 2.6.26-2 kernel in that menu.lst |
| 15:13.42 | delaman | wols_: how do i find out if my VPS is 32 or 64 bit? |
| 15:13.57 | wols_ | installer: let's just say I have a working grub and you don't. so if I were you I'd explain the actual problem to people instead of making sneaky remarks... but if you don't need or want help: fine. good for you (and us) |
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| 15:14.07 | installer | installer: it's only for the 2.6.32 that it doenst boot |
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| 15:14.17 | wols_ | delaman: dpkg --print-architecture |
| 15:14.53 | delaman | i386 means 32bit right? |
| 15:15.00 | valdyn | delaman: yes |
| 15:15.09 | delaman | k thanks |
| 15:15.09 | installer | wols_: you started the sneaky remars; and I explaind that it didnt booted saying that it couldnt find /dev/sda2 already. |
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| 15:15.44 | xelister | speaking about drunk |
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| 15:15.58 | wols_ | sunday... let's check the manpage for /ignore |
| 15:16.08 | Jasper | hej guys, I have a crontab running..which sends me mail apparently |
| 15:16.10 | Jasper | with the output |
| 15:16.11 | xelister | is it true one debian development team got so drunk, they released software less then 1 year old? |
| 15:16.16 | xelister | *once |
| 15:16.16 | Jasper | how can I send that to a different adres then root? |
| 15:16.41 | valdyn | Jasper: use MAILTO=<name> in /etc/crontab |
| 15:16.42 | themill | Jasper: root's mail should already be going to someone else |
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| 15:17.03 | Jasper | why themill ? |
| 15:17.06 | enferex | Just installed debian testing branch. Now, I want to switch to unstable. So all I have to do is s/lenny/unstable/g in my /etc/apt/sources.list file? |
| 15:17.08 | Jasper | how can i change that then? |
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| 15:17.20 | valdyn | enferex: lenny is stable, not testing |
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| 15:17.27 | valdyn | Jasper: in /etc/aliases |
| 15:17.31 | installer | So, any suggestion? Thanks. |
| 15:17.33 | wols_ | Jasper: cause root shouldn't look at mail and run mailclients. |
| 15:17.35 | DEFeKt | hi all |
| 15:17.41 | PerfDave | enferex: If you have to ask how to switch to unstable, you probably don't want to be running unstable... |
| 15:18.09 | wols_ | PerfDave: he already runs testing when he shouldn't. what makes you think he's heading sensible advice? :) |
| 15:18.13 | Jasper | yes, I changed postmaster to my email adres |
| 15:18.32 | wols_ | root is not postmaster |
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| 15:18.58 | enferex | valdyn: I installed a stable release, and then just s/lenny/unstable and ran apt-get update and apt-get upgrade. That should be it, correct? |
| 15:19.06 | KaffeeJunky123 | installer: is it a error message from grub or the kernel? |
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| 15:19.13 | KaffeeJunky123 | installer: *an error message |
| 15:19.13 | DEFeKt | im getting a "Unable to fetch file, server said 'Failed to open file." related to updates/lenny when i do apt-get update. im running stable |
| 15:19.41 | PerfDave | !tell enferex -about unstable |
| 15:19.43 | themill | enferex: /msg dpkg iyhtays |
| 15:19.44 | valdyn | enferex: not really. If you are lucky then dist-upgrade instead of upgrade |
| 15:19.47 | wols_ | DEFeKt: show us the offending line from sources.list |
| 15:20.07 | enferex | valdyn: ok thanks |
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| 15:21.01 | installer | KaffeeJunky123: I'll try to reboot and document what is see as best as I can and then come back. |
| 15:21.05 | installer | KaffeeJunky123: thanks. |
| 15:21.50 | DEFeKt | ftp://carroll.cac.psu.edu/pub/linux/distributions/debian/dists/lenny/updates/main/source/Sources |
| 15:21.52 | udo | hi |
| 15:22.20 | DEFeKt | hi udo |
| 15:22.30 | udo | when I download a file off of the internet I can get 3MB/s (wich is my full capacity by my provider) |
| 15:22.41 | udo | but on the local network I can only download at 1MB/s |
| 15:22.57 | udo | just to this Debian client |
| 15:23.04 | udo | other pc's work just fine at 100MB/s |
| 15:23.08 | udo | 100Mbit/s * |
| 15:23.13 | PerfDave | udo: What are you downloading, from where, and how? |
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| 15:23.28 | PerfDave | udo: How are you connected to the Internet if not through your local network? |
| 15:23.28 | udo | a movie from my desktop to my laptop |
| 15:23.42 | udo | I have a router, connected to the internet, then a switch |
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| 15:23.51 | PerfDave | udo: How are your desktop and laptop connected to the local network? |
| 15:23.56 | udo | wired |
| 15:24.03 | udo | both on the switch, 100Mbit/s |
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| 15:24.21 | udo | I don't have this problem on Win7 or Mint.. |
| 15:24.24 | PerfDave | udo: OK, are they actually connected at 100Mbit? ethtool should tell you. |
| 15:24.38 | PerfDave | udo: On Win7 or Mint on which machine? What protocol are you using for the copy? |
| 15:25.43 | udo | PerfDave: on my laptop I have installed Win7, Linux Mint 8, Debian Lenny |
| 15:25.51 | udo | PerfDave: only Debian is the one with the slow connection |
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| 15:26.06 | PerfDave | udo: What's your desktop running? |
| 15:26.31 | udo | PerfDave: ethtool is giving me 100Mbit/s full duplex |
| 15:26.37 | PerfDave | udo: On which machine? |
| 15:26.42 | udo | PerfDave: desktop is running Mint 8 |
| 15:27.22 | PerfDave | udo: On which machine is ethtool reporting 100mbit? |
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| 15:27.41 | udo | both |
| 15:27.52 | Jasper | wols_ I should change postmaster right from root to an email adres? |
| 15:28.19 | PerfDave | udo: How are you trying to transfer the file from the desktop to the laptop? |
| 15:28.23 | wols_ | Jasper: just add a line "root=jasper" or such at the end |
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| 15:28.41 | udo | PerfDave: I tried http, ftp, ssh. all at 1MB/s |
| 15:28.54 | udo | PerfDave: samba shares also.. |
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| 15:29.18 | installer | Hi again. |
| 15:29.19 | patriko | hi. i downloaded lenny iso and burned it to a USB disk using Unetbootin. And boot correctly, but during installition it says installition cd couldnt mounted. how can i install it using USB |
| 15:29.38 | hid3 | Is there any other hardware sensors monitoring tool than mbmon? mbmon claims no sensors found but I'm sure there are some! |
| 15:29.40 | udo | PerfDave: it feels like I have a speed limiter on local traffic.. |
| 15:29.46 | DEFeKt | wols_, it seems to be related to the security updates (lenny/updates) check box |
| 15:29.50 | wols_ | hid3: lm-sensors |
| 15:29.52 | wols_ | lm-sensors |
| 15:30.01 | wols_ | !lm-sensors |
| 15:30.02 | dpkg | lm_sensors (Linux-monitoring sensors) is a hardware health monitoring package that performs CPU temperature, fan speed monitoring, etc. Packaged for Debian as lm-sensors. http://www.lm-sensors.org/wiki/FAQ http://www.lm-sensors.org/ #linux-sensors on irc.freenode.net |
| 15:30.14 | DEFeKt | i unchecked it and it returned no errors |
| 15:30.19 | PerfDave | udo: Do you ahve a speed limiter on local traffic? |
| 15:30.35 | udo | PerfDave: not afaik, never installed smt like that |
| 15:30.36 | wols_ | DEFeKt: I don't care about checkboxes, I only care about sensible config files like sources.list |
| 15:30.37 | PerfDave | udo: Anything odd with iptables, iproute, etc.? |
| 15:31.00 | hid3 | wols_, thank you |
| 15:31.13 | udo | PerfDave: I never rly got into getting all that :x |
| 15:31.34 | KaffeeJunky123 | installer: wb |
| 15:31.37 | udo | PerfDave: how do I check that ? |
| 15:31.45 | wols_ | PerfDave: ipv6 shenanigans or bad drivers |
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| 15:32.15 | PerfDave | udo: OK, back to basics - does the laptop have the same IP address in Debian as in Mint and/or Windows? |
| 15:32.23 | udo | yes |
| 15:32.35 | simonrvn | so how does one build a cross compiler nowadays in debian? |
| 15:32.50 | PerfDave | udo: Do you have iproute or iproute2 installed? |
| 15:32.54 | PerfDave | wols_: Don't tell me, tell udo :) |
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| 15:33.42 | udo | PerfDave: no. should I ? |
| 15:33.43 | patriko | hi. i downloaded lenny iso and burned it to a USB disk using Unetbootin. And boot correctly, but during installition it says installition cd couldnt mounted. how can i install it using USB |
| 15:33.53 | installer | Hi KaffeeJunky123 |
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| 15:34.26 | installer | KaffeeJunky123: I copied the last messages I got at boot: http://paste.debian.net/75467/ |
| 15:34.32 | DEFeKt | wols_, here is the sources.list http://pastebin.com/DPVCiYnp |
| 15:34.51 | PerfDave | udo: probably not. You might want to try disabling ipv6 to see if that helps - /msg dpkg noipv6 |
| 15:35.06 | PerfDave | patriko: Have you read the intall guide? |
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| 15:35.24 | installer | KaffeeJunky123: seems "cryptsetup: source device /dev/sda2 not found" is relevant to me. I dont understand how this is deduced. |
| 15:35.26 | patriko | PerfDave: nope, is it mentioned there ? |
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| 15:36.39 | KaffeeJunky123 | installer: currently I've no idea, did you try downloading grub from the backport repo yet? |
| 15:36.52 | installer | KaffeeJunky123: where does the kernel finds out that it has to open /dev/sda2? It cant access to /etc yet (it's not openned) so I wonder |
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| 15:38.21 | udo | PerfDave: "dpkg nopiv6" in console ? |
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| 15:39.08 | PerfDave | !tell udo -about noipv6 |
| 15:39.09 | installer | KaffeeJunky123: I'll have to install grub2, I try that. |
| 15:39.11 | Jasper | wols_ if I add a line root = jasper...user jasper receives them..>I want to forward it to a email adres |
| 15:39.14 | Jasper | not an existing user.. |
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| 15:39.31 | PerfDave | Jasper: It's not a good idea to forward root's mail to a non-local address |
| 15:40.01 | PerfDave | Jasper: What happens when your MTA breaks and your system tries to notify you about this? :) |
| 15:40.11 | Jasper | hmm |
| 15:40.14 | Jasper | true.. |
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| 15:41.45 | installer | KaffeeJunky123: I'll reboot... |
| 15:42.11 | KaffeeJunky123 | I wonder if he'll return |
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| 15:44.41 | videorechner | hi, my server just turned itself off this night, he did that several times before without my command, what can I do to find out, why he did that? |
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| 15:45.07 | KaffeeJunky123 | videorechner: take a look at the log files |
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| 15:45.24 | PerfDave | videorechner: Could it have been a power failure? |
| 15:45.29 | videorechner | any specific one? something I should look for? |
| 15:45.46 | videorechner | no power failure, all clocks are still synced |
| 15:46.17 | videorechner | maybe it was a heat problem? how can I check that in the logs? |
| 15:46.21 | PerfDave | videorechner: The system clock will stay synched even during a power failure, they have internal power. And Debian systems will run ntp on boot usually and resync. |
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| 15:46.55 | PerfDave | videorechner: You're unlikely to get heat problems at night - it's usually cooler in the dark! You'll need to install some temperature monitoring / logging software. |
| 15:47.05 | videorechner | PerfDave I meant all the other clocks in our house, they show errors if there is a power failure |
| 15:47.14 | PerfDave | videorechner: /var/log/dmesg might be good, as might /var/log/messages |
| 15:47.34 | videorechner | PerfDave do you know one, that logs the temperature to a file? |
| 15:49.20 | wols_ | a cronscript of the sort "sensors >> file" |
| 15:49.53 | PerfDave | wols_: Nuts to cron, just run a script that does "while sleep 5; sensors >> file; done" ;) |
| 15:50.11 | videorechner | there is no timestamp in dmesg, or is there a way to read 1.762101 ? |
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| 15:50.27 | zinx | videorechner: that's the time since boot, in seconds |
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| 15:50.44 | magyar | hi guys. off topic: Is it possible to capture a flash stream to local harddrive? |
| 15:50.52 | videorechner | so I need to look at an older dmesg? |
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| 15:51.48 | videorechner | there is a dmesg.0 |
| 15:51.52 | udo | PerfDave: ipv6 disabled by booting with ipv6.disable=1 parameter. still slow :( I'm clueless.. :p |
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| 15:52.14 | PerfDave | udo: I thought you said you were running Lenny? |
| 15:52.42 | udo | yes, I am |
| 15:52.49 | udo | I rebooted and added a kernel parameter in grub |
| 15:53.17 | PerfDave | udo: The factoid I showed you tells you to do something different for Lenny... the ipv6.disable thing is for Squeeze |
| 15:53.46 | wols_ | magyar: in former times, linux flash stored the movie file in /tmp |
| 15:53.51 | wols_ | maybe it still does |
| 15:54.04 | udo | !tell udo -about dpkg nopiv6 |
| 15:54.20 | udo | !tell udo -about nopiv6 |
| 15:54.23 | magyar | wols_: thanks |
| 15:54.28 | wols_ | !tell udo about selftell |
| 15:54.31 | udo | PerfDave: do it again pls :p |
| 15:54.53 | PerfDave | magyar: Tools like clive and youtube-dl will capture YouTube etc. videos... |
| 15:55.01 | wols_ | magyar: I'm sure google has tons of solutions for saving flash streams, no matter what OS |
| 15:55.04 | udo | oh ok |
| 15:55.10 | udo | sorry wols_ :) |
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| 15:56.18 | udo | damnit, now it's telling me too RTFM X) |
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| 15:57.41 | magyar | PerfDave: thanks, although it is not from youtube but rather from www.thirteen.org |
| 15:57.59 | wols_ | udo: "noipv6". spelling is important when talking to bots |
| 15:58.08 | wols_ | !tell udo about noipv6 |
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| 15:58.27 | udo | rofl, thx wols_ |
| 15:58.51 | fruitwerks | if I have an rsync exclude that is tmp/ it will ignore all tmp dirs right? but will it still make the dir on the target? |
| 15:58.58 | videorechner | I looked into syslog and these are the last messages I could find, before I restarted the server: http://pastebin.com/1rMVQzzx does anyone see, why it would shut down? |
| 15:59.30 | videorechner | hdd too hot? |
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| 15:59.36 | mkad | Hi |
| 15:59.44 | mkad | I need help with building debian kernel |
| 16:00.11 | mkad | when I do make-kpkg I get error that The UTS Release version in include/linux/version.h |
| 16:00.16 | mkad | does not match 2.5.33.5 |
| 16:00.25 | mkad | any help how to fix it? |
| 16:00.36 | djura-san | im off to do my training. bais people and have a nice chat :) |
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| 16:00.58 | mkad | Please its important |
| 16:01.03 | mkad | can someone help ? |
| 16:01.25 | markit | hi, I would like to know a certain package WHERE would install it's files (withoug having to install it first), is it possible? |
| 16:01.36 | markit | (openclipart specifically) |
| 16:01.50 | fruitwerks | mkad - does it have to be a package? |
| 16:01.53 | PerfDave | markit: apt-file should tell you, or you can check online at http://packages.debian.org/ |
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| 16:03.19 | ff88 | hi I've tried almost everything but I cannot raise my screen resolution |
| 16:03.19 | mkad | fruitwerks, yes |
| 16:03.48 | Rebells | anybody having problems logging into Yahoo using Kopete? I am using version 0.12.7? |
| 16:03.50 | fruitwerks | mkad - I have run into this before, and solved it by searching for that error, but I don't see any reason for making a package unless it is for multiple machines |
| 16:04.04 | PerfDave | mkad: Why are you trying to build a custom kernel, on what version of Debian? Building a 2.5 kernel seems like a bad idea... |
| 16:04.11 | markit | PerfDave: thanks, I'm trying to use it now, seems the right answer |
| 16:04.13 | fruitwerks | Rebells - yahoo changes there protocols and servers all the time |
| 16:04.21 | mkad | PerfDave, sorry 2.6.33.5 |
| 16:04.31 | mkad | PerfDave, I need custom kernel with IMQ patch |
| 16:04.32 | Rebells | fruitwerks: so what's the fix then? |
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| 16:04.57 | KaffeeJunky123 | I have a strange problem with gnome-open, it doesn't work on file:// uris, any ideas? |
| 16:05.10 | fruitwerks | Rebells - I know in pidgin you can define the servers and port, unless they changed there protocol again, then you need to wait for a new version |
| 16:05.57 | PerfDave | Rebells: You might try a backported version of Kopete. Or just use Jabber instead of Yahoo :) |
| 16:06.23 | videorechner | PerfDave I dont know how to make scripts, can you make me one, that logs hddtemp and cputemp to a file? |
| 16:06.27 | fruitwerks | good advice |
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| 16:06.53 | fruitwerks | videorechner - what are you trying to do, and where is the data from? |
| 16:07.32 | Rebells | PerfDave: I do have backports on lenny defined in sources.list, but apt-get still says the kopete is the latest version? |
| 16:07.40 | ff88 | hi I've tried almost everything but I cannot raise my screen resolution. dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg just adjusts keyboard stuff |
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| 16:07.57 | ff88 | xorg.conf gets ignored I can even write "blah blah" on it |
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| 16:08.25 | udo | using the lenny way ipv6 isn't disabled.. |
| 16:08.28 | videorechner | fruitworks my server shuts down periodically and I dont know why, there is nothing useful in dmesg or message but syslog says something about hddtemp as last messages before reboot http://pastebin.com/1rMVQzzx I want to see it for myself, if it is about temperature |
| 16:08.39 | udo | I compiled my own kernel from lenny-backports |
| 16:08.53 | edakiri | How can all e-mail from an IMAP server be archived? |
| 16:09.03 | edakiri | for my own account only. |
| 16:09.04 | markit | PerfDave: worked perfectly, thanks |
| 16:09.14 | ff88 | I googled for a lot of time finding nothing useful |
| 16:09.26 | ff88 | what's the correct way to push that damned resolution to 1024x768 |
| 16:09.38 | PerfDave | udo: This might explain why you're having trouble :) |
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| 16:10.00 | PerfDave | ff88: What graphics card do you have, what driver is Xorg using? |
| 16:10.26 | ff88 | where can I get both information? |
| 16:10.29 | udo | PerfDave: ..on my way to boot generic kernel.. |
| 16:10.46 | ff88 | my graphics card is the one integrated into my laptop and I have no idea |
| 16:10.52 | PerfDave | ff88: "lspci | grep -i vga" |
| 16:10.57 | PerfDave | ff88: And /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 16:11.09 | ff88 | I'll see both |
| 16:11.11 | pipeline | ff88: you probably have an intel card, which requires a run-time BIOS patch to use high resolutions. |
| 16:11.22 | ff88 | in that case? |
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| 16:11.26 | fruitwerks | videorechner - can you open the case / throw a fan on the hd, or clear up the case so it gest better airflow? anyway looks like it might be dying, so google for hd smart monitoring - there are utilities that can show you more info about hd errors |
| 16:11.42 | ff88 | however that laptop hosted Ubuntu (alot of time ago) with no problem with resolution |
| 16:11.47 | pipeline | ff88: there's a package that will run at boot and handle that problem |
| 16:11.51 | wols_ | ff88: X -configure |
| 16:11.52 | ff88 | nice |
| 16:12.07 | videorechner | fruitworks does a PC shut down, when he mentions problems with a hdd? |
| 16:12.13 | pwntang | can someone give me some practial advice around nfs please? |
| 16:12.21 | videorechner | fruitworks I have 25°C |
| 16:12.26 | PerfDave | pwntang: I can give you some wildly impractical advice... |
| 16:12.33 | magyar | PerfDave: how can i get the source for the video? i tried the link with clive, but there is no flv file |
| 16:12.47 | PerfDave | magyar: No idea, sorry, I don't do Flash. |
| 16:13.02 | ff88 | Trident Microsystems CyberBlade XPAil |
| 16:13.37 | pwntang | I have a NIS server and around 5 clients (two of which are laptops). Each client has the home directory mounted via NFS. How would you suggest I setup the clients to behave if the NIS server was unavailable and the home directory could not be mounted? |
| 16:13.48 | cusco | whats wrong with nfs pwntang |
| 16:13.52 | pipeline | ff88: welp then the intel fix package isn't for you |
| 16:14.02 | pwntang | I'm looking for some suggestions, not instructions on how to configure |
| 16:14.06 | pwntang | please |
| 16:14.22 | cusco | what do you mean sugestions? reasons to use it? |
| 16:14.23 | pipeline | pwntang: you don't have a choice, nis isn't flexible. They're going to hang indefinitely. |
| 16:14.27 | ff88 | it seems like an "exotic" video card. Is there any package I can install for this..stuff? |
| 16:14.30 | pipeline | pwntang: also: NIS is ancient. Why are you using it? |
| 16:14.40 | pipeline | pwntang: lastly: linux NFS is not very reliable in a multi-vendor environment. |
| 16:14.51 | pwntang | the reason I set it up on the first place was to centralise authentication |
| 16:14.54 | pipeline | pwntang: another thing -- traditional NIS is heinously insecure |
| 16:15.03 | pipeline | pwntang: NIS is *not* a reasonable way to do that |
| 16:15.03 | PerfDave | pipeline: Sorry, but I call bollocks on the NFS reliability thing. |
| 16:15.31 | pipeline | pwntang: the *only* reason to use NIS is legacy systems. If you have a choice about how to do things, your best bet is to use LDAP. |
| 16:15.36 | pwntang | it's all working great, I'm just looking for some suggestions on what can be done if the home directories could not be mounted at boot time. Perhaps there is nothing that can be done |
| 16:15.43 | pipeline | pwntang: if you want sso in addition to centralized auth, LDAP+Kerberos |
| 16:15.54 | pipeline | pwntang: NIS is an abomination. Plaintext passwords, dude. |
| 16:15.55 | wols_ | ff88: what driver is it using? |
| 16:15.58 | PerfDave | I've run NFS servers on Debian with clients running Solaris, dozens of GNU/Linux flavours, BSD, AIX and others. |
| 16:16.39 | PerfDave | ff88: xserver-xorg-video-trident would seem to be the right driver to use... |
| 16:16.41 | ff88 | how can I know? |
| 16:16.53 | PerfDave | ff88: /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 16:17.11 | pipeline | PerfDave: I've had consistent problems with non-Linux clients to Linux servers and vice versa. Your mileage may vary. I'm glad you've never been down that rathole, but I can't see how you avoided it. |
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| 16:17.35 | ff88 | xserver-xorg-video-trident is already installed |
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| 16:17.49 | PerfDave | pipeline: Forcing NFSv3 helps a lot :) |
| 16:17.50 | ff88 | I'm reading /var/log/Xorg.0.log what shoud I search for? thanks |
| 16:17.53 | wols_ | ff88: did you use X -configure? |
| 16:18.00 | installer | (Hi again) |
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| 16:18.54 | pwntang | if I were to use LDAP instead of NIS, can you authenticate even when the LDAP server is down, cached credentials style? |
| 16:19.00 | ff88 | trident_drv.so |
| 16:19.06 | PerfDave | ff88: You might want to pastebin your Xorg.0.log |
| 16:19.22 | ff88 | PerfDave: ok |
| 16:19.48 | PerfDave | pwntang: What are you actually trying to achieve here? You want your laptops to use network auth on your home network, but not when they're disconnected, and NFS when they're on the network but keep some kind of cache when they're offline? |
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| 16:20.22 | PerfDave | Hello again installer |
| 16:20.22 | pwntang | yes, that is a good descriptions |
| 16:20.35 | ff88 | http://pastebin.com/MXrN164C |
| 16:20.43 | PerfDave | pwntang: Yeah. Really not actually easy to do, sadly. |
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| 16:21.01 | pwntang | ah, ok. I was expecting that it might not be possible |
| 16:21.57 | ff88 | I'll try to run X -configure |
| 16:22.03 | PerfDave | pwntang: The former bit might be doable by running an LDAP slave on each laptop which syncronises to the master whenever it can. |
| 16:22.07 | ff88 | but I cannot do while X is running. How can i kill X? |
| 16:22.14 | oreo | Hello everyone! I know this is not necessarily the approrpiate channel, but I don't know which one to post to. Here's the question: When using UNIX sockets, by default everyone has rx privileges. Does that pose a security threat? What keeps someone from "joining" the communication channel? Thanks. |
| 16:22.30 | PerfDave | pwntang: The latter is sort of what OpenAFS is designed for but it tends to go read-only when something's disconnected from the cluster. |
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| 16:22.58 | wols_ | ff88: "killall X" |
| 16:23.02 | PerfDave | ff88: Well, the good news is that the trident driver supports the CyberBlade XPAil card you have |
| 16:23.11 | wols_ | ff88: or /etc/init.d/gdm stop |
| 16:23.15 | PerfDave | ff88: So you're already using the right Xorg driver. |
| 16:23.20 | ff88 | it doesn't seem to support it correctly :D |
| 16:23.55 | pwntang | perf: okay, I'll look at those as possibilities. Thank you for your suggestions |
| 16:23.57 | PerfDave | ff88: Probably not, but I'd hold off the X -configure right now. What do you think, wols_ ? |
| 16:24.13 | ff88 | more, running X -configure and testing the new configuration file still failed |
| 16:24.17 | ff88 | 800x600 forever |
| 16:24.22 | ff88 | :) :) |
| 16:26.15 | PerfDave | ff88: Lines 344 and 345 of that Xorg log look interesting... |
| 16:26.49 | ff88 | yes they do |
| 16:26.54 | ff88 | I didn't notice them |
| 16:27.08 | PerfDave | ff88: It also seems that your TFT panel only supports 1024x768 so it's not trying to use anything bigger than that... |
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| 16:27.27 | ff88 | that's true |
| 16:27.34 | ff88 | 1024x768 is the correct resolution |
| 16:27.40 | PerfDave | ff88: Out of interest, is the Debian you're using now 64-bit, and the Ubuntu you tried before 32-bit? |
| 16:27.54 | ff88 | both 32 bit |
| 16:27.58 | ff88 | this cpu is 32 bit only |
| 16:28.10 | PerfDave | ff88: OK, fair enough. That might have explained the illegal opcode thing. |
| 16:28.11 | ff88 | ubuntu was actually xubuntu 9.10 |
| 16:28.35 | PerfDave | ff88: WHich version of Debian are you runningn ow? |
| 16:28.36 | ff88 | I love this debian machine like it's configured now... the only problem is screen resolution :) |
| 16:28.48 | ff88 | latest stable downloaded some hours ago |
| 16:29.44 | ff88 | 800x600 is not stratched to fill the screen, it's like "windowed" at the centre of the panel |
| 16:29.51 | PerfDave | ff88: OK, nothing useful-looking at http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=xserver-xorg-video-trident;dist=stable |
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| 16:30.27 | ff88 | hate that card |
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| 16:30.35 | udo | well, didn't help booting a generic kernel, giving it a rest for today |
| 16:30.50 | udo | thx anyway PerfDave |
| 16:30.53 | PerfDave | udo: I'm sorry to hear that. It's a very strange problem - might be something to do with the NIC driver, or firewall or something... |
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| 16:31.12 | udo | PerfDave: tomorrow there's another day |
| 16:31.28 | udo | just got a call I gotta go to work in an hour |
| 16:31.39 | PerfDave | udo: No worries, fingers crossed :) |
| 16:32.28 | PerfDave | ff88: Also there's the lines about the hsync and vrefresh being out of range. |
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| 16:32.52 | ff88 | uhm...strange |
| 16:33.03 | ff88 | now the xorg.conf file is the one it created itself |
| 16:33.05 | ff88 | :) |
| 16:33.07 | PerfDave | ff88: So what it looks like is, that Xorg can't use DDC to get the right refresh rates from your monitor, so it's using some conservative defaults. |
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| 16:33.33 | PerfDave | ff88: So if you can look up the real refresh rates for your monitor, and put them in Xorg's config by hand, then it might try using 1024x768 |
| 16:33.56 | ff88 | what are the refresh rates? |
| 16:34.05 | ff88 | ie where can I get 'em? |
| 16:34.09 | PerfDave | ff88: You'll have to find that out for yourself, by googling for your monitor model? |
| 16:34.17 | ff88 | oooh my god |
| 16:34.20 | ff88 | I'll try |
| 16:34.53 | ff88 | but I won't likely find em |
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| 16:36.39 | mkad | fruitwerks, any help ? |
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| 16:37.48 | PerfDave | ff88: You could try asking about that DDC problem on #debian-x on OFTC... |
| 16:38.18 | mkad | The UTS Release version in include/linux/version.h |
| 16:38.18 | mkad | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:38.18 | mkad | does not match current version: |
| 16:38.18 | mkad | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:38.30 | mkad | :( |
| 16:38.35 | mkad | how to correct it? |
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| 16:38.42 | wols_ | !tell mkad about bts |
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| 16:38.50 | wols_ | and start to fix your damn enter key! |
| 16:39.15 | mkad | wols_, its because kernel |
| 16:39.29 | mkad | wols_, if I dont fix a kernel then I will have to past more |
| 16:39.46 | mkad | wols_, from different IPs |
| 16:39.55 | hid3 | 1000! |
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| 16:41.02 | xelister | mkad: wha? |
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| 16:41.18 | xelister | did mkad just threaten the channel with multi ip spam |
| 16:41.27 | xelister | gets his popcorn |
| 16:41.55 | mkad | xelister, I would not dare to |
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| 16:43.34 | bzed | mkad: learn what a pastebin is, and then try again |
| 16:44.36 | mkad | How to fix this problem ? http://pastebin.com/X4vTzaSh |
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| 16:47.28 | mkad | bzed, pastebin did not solve the problem |
| 16:47.33 | wols_ | mkad: no you DO NOT have to press enter after every 3rd letter! |
| 16:47.44 | KaffeeJunky1231 | test123 |
| 16:47.54 | wols_ | mkad: why do you need kernel 2.6.33 exactly? |
| 16:47.58 | bzed | mkad: make-kpkg clean |
| 16:48.05 | bzed | then try again |
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| 16:48.10 | mkad | bzed, I tried make-kpkg clean already |
| 16:48.13 | mkad | bzed, and same failure |
| 16:48.19 | bzed | mkad: rm -rf debian |
| 16:48.28 | wols_ | bzed: it's a bug in kernel-package |
| 16:48.30 | bzed | mkad: and then try again |
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| 16:49.12 | bzed | mkad: if its really a bug in kernel-package, use make deb-pkg (you won't get header packages, but thats ok as long as you keep the source lying around) |
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| 16:50.05 | mkad | bzed, later I will use source to build iptables |
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| 16:50.30 | mkad | bzed, same problem |
| 16:50.49 | mkad | I will try deb-pkg |
| 16:51.24 | mkad | bzed, make deb-pkg has no such a target |
| 16:51.29 | wols_ | !enter |
| 16:51.30 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 16:51.39 | bzed | mkad: hmm, try make help then, and look for the deb target |
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| 16:52.24 | mkad | bzed, make help | grep deb and nothing |
| 16:53.31 | bzed | mkad: make deb-pkg was working fine in 2.6.33, not sure which kind of source you have there. |
| 16:53.42 | mkad | bzed, sources from kernel.org |
| 16:53.52 | bzed | can't be. |
| 16:53.59 | bzed | 1 bzed@think /usr/src/linux-2.6 (git)-[think-2.6.34]-% make help | grep deb deb-pkg - Build the kernel as an deb package |
| 16:54.07 | bzed | same for .33 |
| 16:54.28 | mkad | bzed, this is from kernel.org linux-2.6.33.5.tar.bz2 after unpacking there is no Debian target |
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| 16:55.35 | mkad | bzed, I can redownload it from link from You |
| 16:55.48 | oreo | Hello everyone! I know this is not necessarily the approrpiate channel, but I don't know which one to post to. Here's the question: When using UNIX sockets, by default everyone has rx privileges. Does that pose a security threat? What keeps someone from "joining" the communication channel? Thanks. |
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| 16:57.50 | bzed | mkad: http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/linux-2.6.33.5.tar.bz2 |
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| 17:00.52 | gps23 | i am in the middle of installing debian squeeze testing, how can i know what constitute Base packages, laptop packages and 'standard system utilities'? |
| 17:01.15 | bjk | gps23: install ubuntu, problems solved |
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| 17:01.21 | gps23 | only base system is installed right now |
| 17:01.23 | bjk | gps23: install ubuntu, problems solved |
| 17:01.31 | PerfDave | bjk: Are you serious? |
| 17:01.43 | bjk | PerfDave: install ubuntu, problems solved |
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| 17:01.54 | korhojoa | bjk: gtfo, problems solved |
| 17:01.56 | PerfDave | bjk: Are you a bot? |
| 17:02.03 | bjk | korhojoa: instlal ubuntu, problems solved |
| 17:02.04 | bjk | PerfDave: install ubuntu, problems solved |
| 17:02.08 | korhojoa | :D |
| 17:02.09 | korhojoa | apparently not |
| 17:02.10 | gps23 | bjk: are you bot, released by Canonical? |
| 17:02.11 | bjk | korhojoa: instlal ubuntu, problems solved |
| 17:02.16 | bjk | gps23: install ubuntu, problems solved |
| 17:02.16 | PerfDave | !ops bjk is apparently an Ubuntu trollbot |
| 17:02.16 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: perfdave complains about: bjk is apparently an Ubuntu trollbot |
| 17:02.19 | korhojoa | live the typos |
| 17:02.31 | korhojoa | PerfDave: how often do bots make typos? |
| 17:02.33 | bjk | INSTALLLSL UBLUNTUS |
| 17:02.33 | gps23 | no, bots don't do spelling mistakes |
| 17:02.36 | korhojoa | :D |
| 17:02.37 | bjk | INSTALLLSL UBLUNTUS |
| 17:02.40 | bjk | INSTALLLSL UBLUNTUS |
| 17:02.52 | PerfDave | Cheers idoru |
| 17:03.49 | gps23 | i hope my question is not lost :p |
| 17:04.11 | korhojoa | uhh |
| 17:04.19 | korhojoa | is there some way to look it up with tasksel? |
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| 17:04.57 | xelister | bjk: I want to do my gf's sister. What to do?? |
| 17:05.01 | PerfDave | gps23: There's a way to check but I can't remember what it is; you can always install stuff at a later date if you need to. |
| 17:05.11 | xelister | counts on realy easy solution involving downloading |
| 17:05.52 | gps23 | PerfDave: but do i have to chose each package by name that time? and then too i need to know what constitute laptop, 'standard system utilies' etc |
| 17:06.28 | xelister | I know for a fact that installing gnetoo can solve a problem wiht Debian. |
| 17:06.36 | xelister | *gentoo. if that problem is that you need a particular file manager application |
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| 17:07.06 | PerfDave | gps23: You can install it all now and remove stuff later too ;0 |
| 17:07.44 | gps23 | PerfDave: actually my internet connection is slow, i want to download only necessary packages right now |
| 17:08.03 | mkad | bzed, unpacked, target exists, I will try make-kpkg one more time and if that fails I will do make dep-pkg |
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| 17:08.31 | PerfDave | gps23: In that case, just stick with the base system and add stuff later :) |
| 17:08.33 | mkad | bzed, maybe make-kpkg replace Makefile I dont know, but for sure that was source from kernel.org |
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| 17:09.28 | gps23 | PerfDave: thats my last option. but just wanted to have a look at other selections. laptop espacially, as i am installing on a laptop |
| 17:10.38 | gps23 | i got what i wanted - http://wiki.debian.org/tasksel |
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| 17:11.05 | gps23 | korhojoa: thanks for telling me the keyword 'tasksel' :) |
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| 17:12.46 | janejp | hi,guys...what's a dummy package? |
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| 17:13.55 | ignotus | hello, how can I check if a maintainer is active, or mia? |
| 17:14.04 | korhojoa | gps23: no problem, i've had quite the time trying to figure out how to re-do the server task selection :P |
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| 17:15.27 | janejp | hi,guys...what's a dummy package? |
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| 17:16.27 | eXeC001er | Hi |
| 17:17.06 | eXeC001er | How can i use all CPU core for dpkg-buildpackage? |
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| 17:18.31 | wols_ | janejp: possibly a package made with equivs |
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| 17:18.52 | Csow | hello |
| 17:19.06 | apecross | hello guys |
| 17:19.22 | Csow | does the postfix 2.5.5 has the vda patch |
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| 17:20.10 | wols_ | eXeC001er: http://www.google.com/search?q=%22make+-j%22+for+dpkg-buildpackage&btnG=Search |
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| 17:20.28 | wols_ | Csow: get the source and find out? |
| 17:20.49 | wols_ | ignotus: mailed him? |
| 17:20.49 | janejp | wols,could you explain dummy again?and how to install grub2 on debian |
| 17:21.02 | wols_ | janejp: which debian branch are you running? |
| 17:21.24 | wols_ | and for the dummy package, I don't know the context you operate in |
| 17:21.34 | janejp | I don't know,how can I know the edition? |
| 17:21.50 | wols_ | uname -r |
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| 17:22.18 | janejp | oh,2.6.32-3 |
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| 17:22.37 | wols_ | then you should already have grub |
| 17:22.40 | wols_ | erm, grub2 |
| 17:22.48 | ignotus | wols_: yeah I did that, I mia tool would have been better tho (that lists the date of the last action of a maintainer, last upload / bug database edit etc) |
| 17:23.00 | janejp | there are so many packages beginning with grub,some say dummy... |
| 17:23.07 | janejp | no, |
| 17:23.17 | wols_ | janejp: how did you install testing? |
| 17:23.37 | janejp | I installed windows ,so mbr is overwrited... |
| 17:24.08 | wols_ | why didn't you START saying this? |
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| 17:24.26 | wols_ | !tell janejp about reinstall grub |
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| 17:25.03 | janejp | apt-cache search grub,there are too many packages....grub grub2 grub-legacy... |
| 17:25.16 | janejp | which to get? |
| 17:25.20 | wols_ | none |
| 17:25.41 | wols_ | reinstalling any grub package won't change your MBR |
| 17:25.58 | janejp | ? |
| 17:26.07 | wols_ | read what dpkg told you |
| 17:27.02 | janejp | there is no way to reinstall grub but to install from very beginning? |
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| 17:28.13 | wols_ | why don't you read what dpkg wrote to you? |
| 17:28.21 | wols_ | dpkg sent you a message. read it |
| 17:28.22 | dpkg | wols_: I give up, what is it? |
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| 17:29.10 | janejp | I have deleted /boot/grub directory,so ... |
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| 17:29.14 | JairunCaloth | what's the best way to install debian without a moniter. |
| 17:29.21 | JairunCaloth | I'm thinking automated install? |
| 17:29.28 | eXeC001er | wols_: thanks. what should be done so that the debian/rules will run with multicore support? or it is not possible |
| 17:29.33 | janejp | solution dpkg told is valid? |
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| 17:29.53 | janejp | there is no grub-install ... |
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| 17:30.42 | janejp | all grub configs and relative files have messed up! |
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| 17:30.59 | janejp | I don't know how to reinstall |
| 17:31.08 | wols_ | janejp: what did you do? |
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| 17:31.48 | janejp | deleted /boot/grub,and I have tried grub grub2 grub-legacy... |
| 17:32.10 | videorechner | I checked all 3 hdds smartctl finds no errors and all passed, yet I cant find anything else in the log files, than hdd temperature issues right before it shut down, is there a way to activate logging of more messages, than usual? |
| 17:32.11 | janejp | for several times |
| 17:32.36 | PerfDave | JairunCaloth: Control the install over a network or serial cable? |
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| 17:33.15 | wols_ | videorechner: if hdds got too hot, it hasnothing to do with smart errors directly. a bad sector doesn't heat up your hdd... |
| 17:33.39 | janejp | when I apt-get instll grub2, no files exist under /etc/gru.d/ |
| 17:33.44 | wols_ | janejp: dpkg -l|grep grub |
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| 17:34.02 | videorechner | wols_ mhm, a PC wont shut down just because of a hdd, that is too hot, would it? |
| 17:34.04 | wols_ | janejp: why did you delete them? |
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| 17:34.25 | wols_ | videorechner: no. but it _might_ crash due to a bad read from the hdd. unlikely tho |
| 17:34.35 | janejp | grub-common grub-pc... |
| 17:34.43 | wols_ | videorechner: how many PCs do you have? running at the same time that is |
| 17:34.52 | wols_ | !tell janejp about paste |
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| 17:35.41 | videorechner | wols_ one 24/7, that is my server |
| 17:35.50 | JairunCaloth | PerfDave: I have considered that, but I haven't found any info about how you might do that |
| 17:36.10 | janejp | grub-common grub-pc both follow with 1.98 |
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| 17:36.18 | PerfDave | JairunCaloth: Have you read the install guide? |
| 17:36.26 | janejp | I can't paste .. |
| 17:36.26 | janejp | its on another pc |
| 17:36.28 | wols_ | videorechner: ideally you'd set up a serial console and connect another PC to that. the console would record every output and therefore see most likely why the server shuts down/crashes |
| 17:36.41 | wols_ | janejp: you are wrong. have a nice day |
| 17:37.01 | janejp | wols_,????????? |
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| 17:37.13 | mkad | bzed, same problem after downloading this and calling make-kpkg I will try make deb-pkg |
| 17:37.17 | bfremon | Hi |
| 17:37.35 | JairunCaloth | PerfDave: I've been skimming through it... |
| 17:37.42 | videorechner | wols_ I wont be here the next 3 weeks, this sadly wont work, but a good idea |
| 17:37.57 | f_18 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grI1dHNBpBw |
| 17:38.04 | wols_ | videorechner: next best thing is a remote syslog on another server (across the internet) |
| 17:38.12 | wols_ | f_18: don't do that |
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| 17:38.58 | PerfDave | JairunCaloth: There should be some stuff in there, at least. |
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| 17:39.31 | PerfDave | JairunCaloth: I need to head off now though |
| 17:39.49 | videorechner | wols_ wont the syslog on the server write down everything until the PC is finally shut down? |
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| 17:42.12 | wols_ | videorechner: your server isn't shut down |
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| 17:42.30 | videorechner | wols_ mhm I see |
| 17:42.35 | mkad | bzed, will make deb-pkg also create initrd ? |
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| 17:44.42 | janejp | wols,how to delet grub-common and grun-pc from my system? |
| 17:44.42 | janejp | dpkg -r does not work |
| 17:44.42 | dpkg | removes does not work along with a pound of flesh from janejp's body, then staples janejp back up with a staple gun. |
| 17:44.46 | janejp | ? |
| 17:44.47 | JairunCaloth | yeah, there's not crap in the install guide about using a serial console |
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| 17:46.23 | wols_ | !tell JairunCaloth about ssh install |
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| 17:47.01 | wols_ | JairunCaloth: can you remove the hdd from the PC you want to install to? |
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| 17:48.57 | Old_Spike0 | Is there a list of wifi usb cards that could be used without binary-only firmware in testing? |
| 17:49.21 | JairunCaloth | wols_: yeah that could work |
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| 17:51.26 | uffo | hello how to generate text list of all installed packages |
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| 17:52.23 | wols_ | uffo: dpkg -l | grep ^ii |
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| 17:55.06 | _2 | propper config for a bridge of ath0 & eth0 ? |
| 17:55.27 | _2 | use /etc/network/interfaces ??? |
| 17:55.38 | uffo | wols_: how to print packages in a row to text file |
| 17:56.08 | wols_ | !tell uffo about installed packages |
| 17:56.29 | wols_ | _2: I used pre.up or post.up scripts there once upon a time |
| 17:57.29 | _2 | wols_ yeah i wrote my own scripts for that back when too but did i read somewhere that the interfaces file could now handle that ? |
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| 17:59.10 | uffo | wols_: where it dumped text file i cannot find (packages in a row i mean package1 package2 package3) |
| 17:59.44 | wols_ | where WHAT dumpled WHAT? |
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| 18:02.07 | _2 | heh. COLUMNS=400 dpkg -l | cut -d' ' -f3 | while read q ;do echo -c "$q " ;done > ~my_friqeeek_list-in-a-row_file.text |
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| 18:04.19 | _2 | sorry that's -n rather than -c my bad |
| 18:06.21 | jelly-home | uffo: why do you need the package names in a single row? What are you trying to do? |
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| 18:13.00 | uffo | jelly-home: mass download source if i maybe need in future |
| 18:13.12 | oreo | When using UNIX sockets, by default everyone has read/execute privileges. Does that pose a security threat? What keeps someone from "joining" the communication channel? Thanks. |
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| 18:14.24 | nsadmin | uffo: there might be dvd images with sources |
| 18:14.34 | nsadmin | there certainly used to be |
| 18:15.10 | jelly-home | uffo: yeah, but why single row? |
| 18:16.25 | uffo | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:17.03 | nsadmin | because his programming skills are such that he can't use any other form? |
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| 18:18.22 | Jasper | hej guys, I'm looking into log file rotation for proftpd....is there like a graceful way to reload proftpd like apache? |
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| 18:19.02 | nsadmin | many times you will have no choice as to how information comes to you; it's up to you to restructure it how you want, or how it makes the best sense |
| 18:19.25 | jelly-home | many times, a user goes offline before explaining their real intentions |
| 18:19.53 | nsadmin | yeahwell I didn't see that :P |
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| 18:21.09 | mkad | bzed, its building without initrd |
| 18:21.18 | mkad | bzed, I need with initrd :( |
| 18:21.36 | nsadmin | then you better stop it and reissue the command |
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| 18:26.07 | valdyn | oreo: why would you think that everyone gets rx ? |
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| 18:27.25 | infid | anyone know if gnome-polkit-authentication-agent uses gnome-keyring to verify passwords? |
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| 18:28.43 | oreo | valdyn: by default the permissions for everyone is rx |
| 18:29.07 | valdyn | oreo: but you can change it |
| 18:29.12 | PerfDave | oreo: Have you tried connecting to a UNIX socket as another user? :) |
| 18:29.26 | wols_ | just cause a world readable file can opened by everony doesn't mean they can misuse my filehandle |
| 18:29.44 | wols_ | and just like a tcp socket is open to everyone, doesn't mean anyone can join my connection |
| 18:29.44 | PerfDave | misuses wols_' filehandle |
| 18:29.56 | wols_ | PerfDave: harder! |
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| 18:30.12 | PerfDave | That's right wols_ I know you like it like that |
| 18:30.28 | wols_ | let's keep it our secret then |
| 18:31.09 | PerfDave | Yeah, let's not broadcast it on a popular IRC channohwait |
| 18:31.33 | nsadmin | one that has public logs |
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| 18:31.55 | oreo | PerfDave: no, i do not know which tools I need (and too lazy to write up a C code to do it). Do you know if it's possible when everyone is allowed to rx based on the filesystem perms? |
| 18:32.14 | delaman | how do i make sure my script is without a BOM (Byte-order mark) ? |
| 18:32.56 | wols_ | oreo: it's the kernel's job not to allow it. if you can, congrats, you found a kernel bug (don't hold your breath) |
| 18:33.40 | oreo | wols_: so it only allows user+group access? |
| 18:34.23 | hid3 | !tell me about pciid |
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| 18:36.27 | oreo | !tell me about pciid |
| 18:36.43 | PerfDave | !selftell |
| 18:36.44 | dpkg | Please do not use the bot's !tell feature on #debian to see factoids for yourself (!tell me about something). Doing so could be considered spam. Instead, send a private message to the bot (dpkg) containing the factoid you want to read. For example, instead of "!tell me about foo", use "/msg dpkg foo". See also <msg the bot> |
| 18:36.46 | oreo | hmm. what happens if someone named "me" comes here? |
| 18:37.08 | pipeline | delaman: it would have been a pain in the ass for you to add a BOM, so it doesn't. Running "file" will tell you for sure. |
| 18:37.19 | pipeline | delaman: "file" is a utility that tells you what it thinks a file is. |
| 18:37.54 | nsadmin | oreo: they can msg the bot too :) |
| 18:38.23 | oreo | nsadmin: you perfectly know what i meant :p |
| 18:38.25 | pipeline | delaman: p.s. utf-8 doesn't need/use a bom because there's no endianness issue |
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| 18:39.09 | me | oreo: Suck it and see :) |
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| 18:39.23 | me | Somebody !tell me something, for science! |
| 18:39.28 | Caikaku | Hi! when freezes squeeeeze!!!! |
| 18:39.45 | PerfDave | Too late :( |
| 18:39.52 | delaman | pipeline: ok thanks |
| 18:39.57 | PerfDave | Caikaku: When it's ready; sooner if you help |
| 18:40.51 | pipeline | delaman: by the way I don't think unix utilities typically play nice with utf-16. You're going to need to use utf-8 regardless if you want to write e.g. shell scripts. |
| 18:41.05 | nielsle | Caikaku: A brave estimate based on this graph is 2011 http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ |
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| 18:41.15 | Caikaku | I have a problema, with move a windows over a video... like this---> can help? |
| 18:41.19 | Caikaku | http://www.esdebian.org/files/esdebian.org/u31915/1.png |
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| 18:41.40 | pipeline | Caikaku: side effect of hardware accelerated video playback |
| 18:41.50 | pipeline | Caikaku: either don't use Xv, or get a graphics card that has better Xv support. |
| 18:41.57 | Caikaku | black windows borders |
| 18:42.08 | pipeline | Caikaku: whatever video player you use probably has options to use X11 or OpenGL to playback video, instead of Xv. |
| 18:42.17 | Caikaku | I have a nvidia with privative drivers |
| 18:42.34 | pipeline | Caikaku: "primitive" ? |
| 18:42.43 | pipeline | Caikaku: what driver ? |
| 18:43.06 | Caikaku | the last, from the web site.. but with compiz no have a problem. |
| 18:43.18 | Caikaku | I hate compiz |
| 18:43.29 | PerfDave | Caikaku: You probably don't want to be using the nvidia.com drivers directly. |
| 18:43.29 | bzed | mkad: building an initrd is not what the kernel build system is supposed to do. |
| 18:43.42 | bzed | mkad: that happens when you install the package (when you system is properly configured...) |
| 18:43.53 | pipeline | Caikaku: compiz breaks Xv, which is why the problem goes awya when you use compiz |
| 18:43.57 | mkad | bzed, yes thats why I wanted deb by make-pkg |
| 18:44.00 | Jasper | hej guys, I'm looking into logrotate.d ....can anyone tell me how I can let this happen every 5 minutes? |
| 18:44.01 | pipeline | Caikaku: set your video playback system not to use Xv |
| 18:44.10 | mkad | bzed, the one build by make deb-pkg does not do it |
| 18:44.10 | bzed | mkad: why are you asking then? |
| 18:44.26 | Caikaku | How I can check? |
| 18:45.03 | bzed | mkad: again - it is *NOT* the task of the build system to do that. A proper configuration in /etc/kernel is what you need. |
| 18:45.17 | bzed | mkad: make-kpkg does nothing else there |
| 18:45.37 | bzed | mkad: (well, not perfectly sure about lenny here, thats too long ago...) |
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| 18:47.34 | Caikaku | we love windows 7! the life easy with two clicks! |
| 18:47.35 | Caikaku | While you spend your whole day setting up the chipset I ate two chocolate cakes in the park enjoying the sun! This is linux, this is the time! |
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| 18:48.56 | d1b | lol |
| 18:48.59 | d1b | windows 7 spam? |
| 18:49.11 | bzed | could be worse. vista. |
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| 18:49.34 | d1b | windows 7, the only os i can't work out how to set up _anything_ |
| 18:49.48 | poisonbit | who is "we" ? who love that thing ? |
| 18:49.49 | jelly-home | you people, have been trolled |
| 18:49.50 | d1b | i have decided that windows is way to hard and complex for me |
| 18:50.08 | d1b | i have to use linux or mac. |
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| 18:51.47 | poisonbit | mac is cool, unless a colour circle starts to rolling and all stop responding |
| 18:52.11 | d1b | poisonbit: no im old school mac lover! - mac os 7 had an awesome 'not responsive' thing |
| 18:52.38 | poisonbit | I've only know 10.N versions |
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| 18:53.21 | d1b | oh. you are missing out ^ |
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| 18:54.15 | poisonbit | d1b, my desktop is debian stable since 2004, and over a imac@24" (debian amd64) since 2007 |
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| 18:54.32 | poisonbit | I like to "test" other things... but having that as fallback :) |
| 18:54.42 | poisonbit | people say debian stable is not for desktops |
| 18:54.50 | poisonbit | I don't know why |
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| 18:55.25 | d1b | debian stable only for desktops! |
| 18:55.34 | broy_ | well i do, try new chipsets (usb-wlan) |
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| 18:55.51 | d1b | broy_: oh? |
| 18:56.13 | d1b | are they in 2.6.34? |
| 18:56.18 | broy_ | well, u could recompile your kernel using /boot .config ... |
| 18:56.34 | d1b | i do compile my own kernel / stuff i need. |
| 18:56.38 | poisonbit | broy_, I use to workaround not supported hardware (newer than kernel) using kmuto installer |
| 18:56.49 | poisonbit | (backported kernel) |
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| 19:00.57 | gps23 | does having sqeeze or testing in the sources.list mean the same thing right now? |
| 19:01.10 | d1b | !sources |
| 19:01.10 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian lenny main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <lenny security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 19:01.11 | PerfDave | gps23: Right now yes |
| 19:01.11 | poisonbit | now yes |
| 19:01.27 | PerfDave | Except probably one will break signatures and one won't. |
| 19:01.43 | poisonbit | and from now to some point in the future, not the same |
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| 19:02.08 | gps23 | PerfDave: what you mean by breaking signatures? which one will do that? |
| 19:02.19 | d1b | he means the release key will change |
| 19:02.25 | gps23 | PerfDave: leave first question. just tell about second :) |
| 19:02.31 | PerfDave | gps23: I can never remember which way round it is, but you'll get warnings about untrusted packages with one of them but not the other. |
| 19:02.33 | d1b | because 'squeeze' will become stable and testing will be something |
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| 19:02.49 | cusco | hi |
| 19:03.05 | d1b | gps23: use "squeeze" and not testing unless you want to track testing |
| 19:03.07 | broy_ | d1b: yes they are, but im actually to lazy to compile a new kernel |
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| 19:03.13 | d1b | always |
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| 19:03.26 | cusco | there was a tool that I could cal up from command line to perform a click |
| 19:03.29 | cusco | I forgot its name |
| 19:03.31 | gps23 | d1b: i just want to use testing always |
| 19:03.33 | cusco | can someone remind me? |
| 19:03.40 | d1b | broy_: use backports |
| 19:03.51 | broy_ | i'll google that |
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| 19:04.09 | d1b | !backports |
| 19:04.09 | dpkg | well, backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.org/ . Ask me about <backports.org> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
| 19:04.14 | cusco | It could be used to call keyboard pressed keys to |
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| 19:04.14 | __toppy | I've installed php5 and git, but when I do a "dpkg -L git" or "dpkg -L php5" I don't see any exectuables installed in /usr/bin or the likes.. only documentation. Any idea what's going wrong? |
| 19:04.31 | d1b | __toppy: you need git-core |
| 19:04.38 | __toppy | ah |
| 19:04.46 | poisonbit | __toppy, there are some packages for php, for CLI you need the -cli package |
| 19:04.57 | d1b | php5 you need php5-cli iirc |
| 19:05.22 | __toppy | ok, thanks... :) I'm new to debian.. configuring a new HP ProLiant server and learning a lot in the process! |
| 19:05.59 | d1b | __toppy: welcome to debian! new hardware ^^ |
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| 19:06.19 | jelly-home | and remotely manageable hardware, too |
| 19:06.25 | d1b | nice* |
| 19:09.10 | poisonbit | iLo++ |
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| 19:09.11 | __toppy | yeah |
| 19:09.11 | __toppy | iLo2 |
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| 19:09.11 | __toppy | I was using opensuse on the "Desktop" that was running as our linux server |
| 19:09.11 | __toppy | however, desktop has been very flakey |
| 19:09.11 | __toppy | so have purchased a real server + migrating to debian |
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| 19:09.11 | poisonbit | HP + Debian is a good base to build any service :) |
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| 19:09.11 | __toppy | good to hear :) |
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| 19:09.12 | poisonbit | anyway study all you are not sure... defaults are not always the best option for custom needs |
| 19:09.12 | poisonbit | my.conf, php.ini, httpd.conf etc... |
| 19:09.12 | __toppy | yeah.. been having lots of fun |
| 19:09.12 | poisonbit | =) |
| 19:09.12 | rektide | if debian is installed to a logical partition, can it still be booted? |
| 19:09.13 | rektide | shouldnt matter, right? |
| 19:09.18 | __toppy | had to build the driver for the quad gigabit ethernet card this came with |
| 19:09.28 | rektide | theres no "Active" flag for logical partitions, iirc |
| 19:09.30 | d1b | nice ;P |
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| 19:09.52 | __toppy | HP only supplied redhat & suse driver packages |
| 19:10.01 | __toppy | but..got it working |
| 19:10.37 | poisonbit | oh... they used to support well debian... in sarge/etch almost there was lot of hp software |
| 19:10.57 | __toppy | installed a 3ware RAID controller too.. took me a while to figure out that the "Press any key to view ROM options" was what I needed to be able to view normal boot messages, including the options to be able to configure the RAID card |
| 19:11.36 | __toppy | I went around in circles trying to figure out why the RAID card wasn't providing any boot messages :p |
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| 19:11.55 | __toppy | btw, what's the consensus on "webmin"? |
| 19:12.00 | __toppy | good, bad? waste of time? |
| 19:12.53 | poisonbit | I could say not aligned with tipicall skills for unix like system administration |
| 19:13.16 | uva | 1000 ones here |
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| 19:13.19 | d1b | poisonbit: is spelling one of those? |
| 19:13.23 | uva | how could that be |
| 19:13.26 | jelly-home | !webmin |
| 19:13.26 | dpkg | Webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." See http://bugs.debian.org/343897 about the removal from Debian. Don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality. |
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| 19:13.50 | poisonbit | well it's perl, but i see it as a wrapper for not professional sysadmins or something like |
| 19:13.54 | d1b | __toppy: most debian users are against it |
| 19:14.08 | __toppy | I installed last night |
| 19:14.10 | poisonbit | code sucks |
| 19:14.14 | __toppy | and it looks like it screwed up my my.cnf |
| 19:14.24 | __toppy | plus it doesn't support managing more than one mysql daemon |
| 19:14.29 | poisonbit | :) |
| 19:14.31 | d1b | dpkg-reconfigure postfix |
| 19:14.53 | __toppy | when I say "screwed it up".. it still works, but it looks like it deleted all comment lines in the .cnf file |
| 19:15.07 | Bushmills | thinks of his first job involving a BSD system - which was to break into it (admin was gone, no password known). luckily there was webmin on the system |
| 19:15.10 | __toppy | just a bunch of blank spaces where things were commented out |
| 19:15.35 | d1b | Bushmills: omg really? |
| 19:15.42 | Bushmills | really |
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| 19:16.00 | jelly-home | __toppy: those comments weren't doing anything anyway! <g> |
| 19:16.19 | __toppy | lol |
| 19:16.22 | PerfDave | Those are words I never thought I'd see - "luckily there was webmin on the system" ;) |
| 19:16.32 | broy_ | haha |
| 19:16.37 | poisonbit | __toppy, what I say at $work... If you but a server with control panel, you manage it, i don't know linux for that server |
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| 19:25.42 | poisonbit | blue pills are not k.i.s.s friendly |
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| 19:27.02 | nsadmin | what, viagra? |
| 19:27.20 | poisonbit | xD |
| 19:27.34 | poisonbit | $blue_pills = webmins, magic auto-hardware layers, ubuntu desktops, magic graphic things like web flash, etc |
| 19:27.51 | poisonbit | click and don't be free to modify internals |
| 19:27.54 | poisonbit | or learn it |
| 19:28.22 | poisonbit | just click |
| 19:28.48 | poisonbit | once i was reading webmin code for a similar idea |
| 19:29.06 | xelister | nsadmin: lolo |
| 19:29.10 | poisonbit | i was afraid it was so hugly/trickier |
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| 19:30.00 | xelister | Bushmills: you successfully gained root privilages on openbsd? |
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| 19:35.00 | dbr | my stdout is freezing up at every ~5s anybody have any idea on what may be causing this? |
| 19:35.26 | poisonbit | dbr, just stdout or system freeze ? |
| 19:35.36 | dbr | seems to be just stdout |
| 19:35.41 | dbr | gui apps work fine |
| 19:35.53 | dbr | but console freezes up every ~5s |
| 19:35.59 | nsadmin | how much stuff you have running? also, ide drives that aren't doing dma might be periodically blocking |
| 19:36.06 | dbr | no matter if it'S xterm, ssh, or tty |
| 19:36.22 | dbr | also doesn't matter if it's bash or zsh |
| 19:36.55 | nsadmin | what's your load avg (uptime)? |
| 19:36.56 | dbr | it's extremely annoying trying to work with CLI when it's acting like this |
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| 19:37.01 | poisonbit | something unusual in system/kernel logs ? |
| 19:37.20 | nsadmin | maybe pastebin output of free |
| 19:37.33 | dbr | i have an usb dvb adapter with an IR interface |
| 19:37.39 | dbr | that seems to be polling |
| 19:37.56 | dbr | i have edited the driver source code |
| 19:38.08 | dbr | because it used to spam debug messages |
| 19:38.24 | dbr | not sure if that's what'S causing it |
| 19:38.25 | nsadmin | ir, infrared? |
| 19:38.30 | dbr | yes |
| 19:38.41 | d1b | upgrade to bluetooth! |
| 19:38.47 | nsadmin | what's the device you're using on infrared? |
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| 19:39.33 | dbr | it's a tevii dvb tuner |
| 19:39.41 | dbr | with a ir receiver |
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| 19:39.54 | dbr | let me unplug it |
| 19:40.10 | dbr | i think it is unrelated to the problem i'm having |
| 19:40.13 | nsadmin | would it be catastrophic to stop the driver just to see if that's the issue? |
| 19:40.30 | dbr | it just used to spam my kernel log with polling messages |
| 19:43.01 | dbr | is it normal for hid devices to poll for user input or is there some other mechanism by which they are notified of any activity? |
| 19:43.39 | nsadmin | can you switch to interrupts? |
| 19:43.49 | nsadmin | btw, did that turn out to be the problem? |
| 19:44.10 | dbr | I think it was the dvb tuner |
| 19:44.16 | dbr | so yes |
| 19:44.28 | dbr | I don't need the infrared HID |
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| 19:44.43 | dbr | maybe i just need to find a way to disable it |
| 19:44.56 | dbr | i just need it for satellite TV reception |
| 19:45.04 | dbr | don'tr care about the remote control |
| 19:45.50 | dbr | seems to be fluent now that the driver module is unloaded |
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| 19:46.54 | hid3 | How can I specify a kernel image to boot it once in GRUB? in LILO it was the -R parameter... |
| 19:46.56 | gps23 | to run a minimal graphical environment should i install xorg or xserver-xorg or x-window-system? |
| 19:47.29 | KaffeeJunky1231 | how do I get an automake project to search it's librarys in /emul/ia32-linux/lib ? |
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| 19:47.55 | peta | hello everybody |
| 19:48.11 | KaffeeJunky1231 | I passed --libdir=/emul/ia32-linux/lib as a configure parameter but it's still trying to use librarys from /usr/lib |
| 19:48.17 | tuvwx | gps23: xorg |
| 19:48.30 | nsadmin | gps23: if the display is to be on the same machine as the grapical programs, you will need xorg |
| 19:48.41 | peta | supposed i install something from the sources (instead of using apt packages), what would be the "best" way to remove it completely later on? |
| 19:48.44 | gps23 | tuvwx: nsadmin thanks :) |
| 19:48.45 | nsadmin | then you'll need some graphical programs |
| 19:48.56 | nsadmin | probably a wm |
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| 19:49.06 | gps23 | nsadmin: i will install fluxbox along with xorg |
| 19:49.09 | nsadmin | I used to like fvwm and sawfish |
| 19:49.19 | tuvwx | gps23: plus a window manager of your choice, if you want one |
| 19:49.26 | nsadmin | you might want a terminal emu |
| 19:49.43 | gps23 | tuvwx: yeah, fluxbox |
| 19:49.45 | gps23 | nsadmin: xterm? |
| 19:49.50 | micket | peta: checkinstall |
| 19:50.12 | gps23 | nsadmin: won't xterm be automatically installed with xorg? |
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| 19:50.28 | micket | peta: which would create a deb, which you can remove cleanly as normal. |
| 19:50.41 | nsadmin | doubt it, but stranger things have happened |
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| 19:51.20 | gps23 | xorg is installing too many video cards that i don't need |
| 19:51.30 | nsadmin | see... X is a client/server architecture (stop me if you already understand this) |
| 19:51.31 | gps23 | is there some way to only install video card i am using with xorg? |
| 19:52.25 | gps23 | nsadmin: xorg is also pulling xterm |
| 19:52.31 | peta | micket: woow! never heard about this tool. but seems to great!! :) thanks |
| 19:52.40 | craigevil | gps23: yes don't install "xorg", only install the packages you need |
| 19:52.50 | dbr | well seems like a shitty driver |
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| 19:53.22 | gps23 | craigevil: i can see how to do it. xorg have told me what it would have installed. i could chose packages from it :) |
| 19:53.23 | dbr | anybody can give me any pointers on how to program hid devices for linux? |
| 19:53.30 | dbr | i would like to fix this |
| 19:53.46 | peta | micket: is it possible that it doesn't exist for etch? |
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| 19:54.04 | olorin_ | peta: Mind you, checkinstall can be quite quick and dirty. |
| 19:54.10 | Bushmills | xelister: yes, i did |
| 19:54.30 | tuvwx | gps23: if you choose xorg in aptitude, you can unselect the video drivers that you want before you go ahead and apply your selections |
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| 19:54.39 | nsadmin | and possibly incomplete, requiring editing |
| 19:55.51 | nsadmin | dbr: of course, the driver source you already have is an example |
| 19:55.53 | tuvwx | gps23: the easiest way for a package like xorg to statisfy everybody is to install all drivers. but it will not complain if you remove the ones you don't need |
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| 19:56.07 | peta | olorin_: ok. but as it seems, i can't use anyway. (using debian etch and checkinstall isn't available for this version) |
| 19:56.18 | dbr | yes but the driver source is a terrible example |
| 19:56.19 | peta | what might be an alternative? |
| 19:56.28 | nsadmin | peta: care to upgrade to lenny? |
| 19:56.52 | dbr | it looks like it's polling for user input at a regular intervak |
| 19:56.54 | xelister | Bushmills: wow. wtf, you rooted OpenBSD just by accessing some user account??? give more details? OpenBSD is supposed to not have any exploits to get root from any service |
| 19:57.02 | dbr | which is causing these problems |
| 19:57.04 | gps23 | tuvwx: i think then its time to try aptitude's ncurses mode :) |
| 19:57.10 | peta | nsadmin: i would ... but my vps provider doesn't offer newer distribution images yet |
| 19:57.11 | d1b | !etch |
| 19:57.11 | dpkg | Etch is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Etch security support ended on 2010-02-15, this release is no longer supported. Etch users should upgrade to Lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>. For old Etch ISOs, ask me about <etch iso>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEtch http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100121 |
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| 19:57.20 | dbr | how do i do it the right way? |
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| 19:57.34 | nsadmin | peta: oh, this is a remote? |
| 19:57.38 | peta | yes |
| 19:58.02 | nsadmin | then... you -could- upgrade yourself... but, it's very risky |
| 19:58.15 | jelly-home | xelister: the keyword in that context was "webmin" |
| 19:58.24 | PerfDave | Upgrade yourself? That sounds a bit Six Million Dollar Man :) |
| 19:58.25 | peta | sure i know. but for me it's too risky. |
| 19:58.49 | olorin_ | jelly-home: Every crackers dream portal. |
| 19:58.56 | nsadmin | you can manage the risk by backing up |
| 19:58.57 | PerfDave | rebuilds peta and makes them better than before |
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| 19:59.30 | nsadmin | sicks polly on the crackers! |
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| 19:59.59 | dbr | I'm a c++ dev and long time linux user. So you don't have to spare me the gory details. I would just like to get a few pointers on how to deal with user input the right way on this level |
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| 20:00.10 | jelly-home | olorin_: no need to repeat ourselves! |
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| 20:00.32 | olorin_ | jelly-home: Me? Where? |
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| 20:00.48 | nsadmin | we can upgrade ourselves, but not repeat ourselves! |
| 20:00.53 | jelly-home | * Bushmills thinks of his first job involving a BSD system - which was to break into it (admin was gone, no password known). luckily there was webmin on the system |
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| 20:01.36 | gps23 | tuvwx: at what time will aptitude allow me to unselect something? press pressing + and before pressing g? or after pressing g? |
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| 20:03.24 | gps23 | tuvwx: sorry for such basic question but i don't want to sit waiting for that message while xorg starts installing |
| 20:03.42 | gps23 | tuvwx: i got. had to take some risk :) |
| 20:04.07 | tuvwx | gps23: after you select xorg, unselect the xserver-xorg-video-XXX package(s) that you don't want. it will complain about xserver-xorg-video-all not having satisfied dependencies, but you don't want that package either |
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| 20:05.12 | gps23 | tuvwx: i got it. thanks :) |
| 20:05.14 | tuvwx | gps23: in short: select xorg, unselect xserver-xorg-video-all, select the xserver-xorg-video-XXX , where XXX is the video driver you want |
| 20:05.27 | peta | nsadmin, micket, olorin_: What is the "alternative" to checkinstall? How can I determine which files to remove in order to kind of uninstall something installed from the sources? |
| 20:05.37 | Bushmills | xelister: webmin was configured such that adding a user account allowed to execute a pre- and a post command. those were executed with root privilege |
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| 20:06.37 | Bushmills | so i was able to add an account, and through the post-execution command escalate its privileges |
| 20:06.43 | gps23 | tuvwx: i unselected xserver-xorg-video-all and also unselected xserver-xorg-video-YYY where YYY is not my driver, only kept redeon, ati, fbdev, vmware drives |
| 20:06.47 | gps23 | drivers* |
| 20:07.07 | KaffeeJunky1231 | how do I get source code that I pass the -m32 command to correctly link against my 32bit libraries in /emul/ia32-linux/lib and /emul/ia32-linux/usr/lib? |
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| 20:08.04 | KaffeeJunky1231 | I read that the linker would automatically chose the right library if available, but it does fail to find the correct libasound.so for me, I'm trying to compile alsa-oss as 32bit application btw |
| 20:08.49 | gps23 | if i have radeon 9100 card then do i need ati driver also? apart from radeon? |
| 20:09.09 | micket | peta: make your own deb manually. Generally, there is no sure way to uninstall from source, but typically, you'd save the install scripts and run make uninstall. |
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| 20:09.55 | nsadmin | unfortunately not all makefiles have uninstall target |
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| 20:10.10 | tuvwx | peta: for an alternative, checkout the stow and xstow packages |
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| 20:10.39 | nsadmin | a .deb is a surer bet, but you still have to write some scripts |
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| 20:11.37 | icebrain | gps23: there's no ati driver, xserver-xorg-video-ati is a dummy package |
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| 20:12.18 | jelly-home | gps23: radeon should work fine with such an old card |
| 20:12.18 | maligor | actually there is a ati driver, but it's a dummy driver that loads the correct driver for the card :P |
| 20:12.28 | gps23 | icebrain: then i did right by just installing radeon driver |
| 20:12.29 | maligor | which in your case would be radeon |
| 20:12.37 | icebrain | gps23: yes |
| 20:13.01 | gps23 | icebrain: kept fbdev driver also, i thought i might need it |
| 20:13.33 | icebrain | sorry, I don't know. |
| 20:13.41 | icebrain | it can't hurt :) |
| 20:13.48 | gps23 | i have heard about its, its frame buffer stuff |
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| 20:15.04 | peta | tuvwx: ok, i'll do |
| 20:16.21 | gps23 | maligor: thanks :) |
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| 20:17.18 | jan_ | hi |
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| 20:18.35 | peta | finally a quick one: in the install notes (of git) they say that I could change something (in my case i don't want to build git with tcl/tk support) and there fore i should use "NO_TCLTK" ... what must i do with such uppercase keywords? |
| 20:18.53 | peta | "./configure NO_TCLTK" ? |
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| 20:19.30 | cipitio | Any command to use second monitor |
| 20:19.36 | cipitio | activating vga second port |
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| 20:26.23 | hid3 | Is there any way to control CPU fan speed? |
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| 20:26.59 | lindi- | hid3: lm-sensors, sensors-detect, sensors |
| 20:27.20 | lindi- | hid3: and the answer is: maybe, it depends on your hardware |
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| 20:28.44 | lindi- | peta: you are rebuilding git? |
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| 20:30.12 | peta | lindi-: from the sources, yes. in the Makefile are many comments that begin with "Define FOO_BAR if you want to fly" ... how/where can I define FOO_BAR to make me fly? |
| 20:30.36 | lindi- | peta: why are you rebuilding it? |
| 20:31.03 | peta | lindi-: i want the latest version but the version available as etch deb is 1.4.1 |
| 20:31.41 | peta | please just tell me how to define FOO_BAR or something like that. and what it means |
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| 20:32.06 | lindi- | git seems to have very uncommon build system |
| 20:33.02 | lindi- | peta: anyways, debian is already passing options like NO_OPENSSL=1 |
| 20:33.17 | lindi- | peta: just add your own options on that line? |
| 20:33.57 | jordanm | if he rebuilding a package I would think he would want some kind of dh override |
| 20:34.28 | micket | peta: Try exporting the variables, i.e; export FOO_BAR |
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| 20:36.32 | peta | micket: ok ... just tried out "./configure 'FOO_BAR=1' ; make 'FOO_BAR=1'" ... now waiting to finish/fail. then i try to export it before |
| 20:36.59 | peta | yeaah!! it works! :) |
| 20:37.43 | lindi- | peta: you are not creating a debian package? |
| 20:38.01 | peta | lindi-: no |
| 20:38.25 | lindi- | peta: any reason to that? |
| 20:38.52 | peta | lindi-: not really. just lack of time + knowledge |
| 20:39.05 | lindi- | peta: i'd say it saves time in the long run |
| 20:39.34 | nsadmin | always consider the highest, best use of your time |
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| 20:40.14 | peta | lindi-: i think so too. but at the moment i have to wire something up as quick as possible. when i have some more time, I'll read how to build deb packages so that i do it the next time |
| 20:40.16 | lindi- | peta: i personally just use unstable chroot to get latest git stuff |
| 20:40.38 | lindi- | i think chroot is way safer and easier and quicker than running "make install" as root and hoping for the best |
| 20:40.51 | clint- | hello all |
| 20:41.27 | nsadmin | you might want to ./configure --prefix=/dir/you/can/delete |
| 20:41.56 | nsadmin | then you don't need an uninstall |
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| 20:43.14 | peta | but would it then still work when it depends on other libs/packages? |
| 20:44.02 | peta | on the opposite, as long as i have the /dir/you/can/delete in my env path it can be used/found by any app that depends on it. that i know. |
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| 20:44.19 | lindi- | peta: you app can just depend on git |
| 20:44.32 | seanr | What do you guys know about an issue with openssl in ubuntu/debian? Someone in #httpd just told me to ask. |
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| 20:44.50 | lindi- | seanr: an issue? |
| 20:45.10 | peta | lindi-: okay, but from where would it know that git is installed/exists? |
| 20:45.29 | seanr | He asked me "did you fix the debian openssl issue?", and then when I asked what issue, he sent me here. I'm having a problem getting apache to start when using my crts. |
| 20:45.49 | lindi- | seanr: that's not very verbose |
| 20:45.57 | seanr | Tell me about it. |
| 20:46.06 | lindi- | seanr: just tell us what you did, what you expected to happen and what really happened |
| 20:46.48 | lindi- | anyway, i haven't setup ssl but somebody else might |
| 20:46.58 | lindi- | peta: it could run "which git"? |
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| 20:47.31 | seanr | lindi, I generated a new key and csr for a wildcard certificate, got the crt files from godaddy, installed them on my server and configured apache to use them. I expected it to restart and work, but it fails on start instead with absolutely nothing in the error logs. |
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| 20:48.28 | peta | lindi-: wow. :) didn't know that command. and this is bullet proof and used by every app to get specific libs/commands? |
| 20:48.51 | lindi- | peta: huh? |
| 20:48.52 | seanr | lindi, he finally linked to this issue: http://www.debian.org/security/2008/dsa-1571 |
| 20:48.54 | themill | seanr: did you enable ssl for apache? check the instructions in /usr/share/doc/apache2.2-common/README.Debian.gz |
| 20:49.08 | lindi- | peta: library dependencies surely should be handled through package management |
| 20:49.24 | themill | seanr: oh seriously.... look at the date. He's just trolling you. |
| 20:50.04 | seanr | themill, yes, I did. My old non-wildcard crt worked fine. THe new one doesn't. |
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| 20:54.25 | roe | I would like my my dhcp server to hand out two search domains, but only one domain. Any thoughts how this could be done? |
| 20:54.30 | roe | I'm using dhcp3 |
| 20:54.53 | xvilka | Hi all! Please tell me, if i have ACPI error messages, which not reported in other bugs, which info can be useful for report? |
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| 21:01.46 | gree | hello, I have a question about maildrop conf, can anyone help? |
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| 21:07.14 | nsadmin | gree: no one will know until you |
| 21:07.18 | nsadmin | !ask |
| 21:07.18 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 21:07.27 | nsadmin | !sicco |
| 21:07.28 | dpkg | Please ask sicco questions, questions that are Specific, Informative, Concise, Complete, and On-topic. Ask me about <research> and <cooperation in asking for help>. |
| 21:08.11 | gree | new here, sorry... I have global proc mail config in dropmailrc |
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| 21:08.36 | gree | I am using the $HOME var there |
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| 21:09.07 | gree | the problem is, it is apparently replaced by /home, not by /home/<username> |
| 21:09.08 | funyun | noob here. i'm trying to run a perl script but i'm getting this error http://pastebin.com/ehp408Dv . can someone help me out? |
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| 21:10.12 | gree | which means, it creates a /home/Maildir, but /home/<username>/Maildir should right |
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| 21:10.39 | nsadmin | show the line that uses $HOME |
| 21:11.29 | gree | DEFAULT="$HOME/Maildir" |
| 21:11.43 | gree | and than, e.g., to "/$DEFAULT/.xSpam/" |
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| 21:12.35 | gree | I tried to log as the user and echo ${HOME} works fine |
| 21:12.51 | phrozen77 | has anyone successfully reproduced this issue with nginx? http://www.exploit-db.com/exploits/12804 |
| 21:13.02 | phrozen77 | i couldn't make it work with 0.6.32 lenny3 |
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| 21:13.59 | nsadmin | gree: in the script, put these two lines somewhere |
| 21:14.31 | nsadmin | echo "default $DEFAULT" > ~/test.txt |
| 21:14.51 | nsadmin | echo "home $HOME" >> ~/test.txt |
| 21:15.09 | nsadmin | well soemwhere after DEFAULT is set |
| 21:15.35 | nsadmin | then get that script to run somehow (it runs when you receive mail?) |
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| 21:18.25 | gree | I cannot put echo into the maildroprc, but I'll try to figure it out somehow, mmt |
| 21:18.37 | nsadmin | why not? |
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| 21:19.00 | gree | May 30 23:16:09 localhost postfix/local[10189]: 4757D2881BD8: to=<gree@vs1005.v-web.cz>, orig_to=<gree@swiz.cz>, relay=local, delay=0.22, delays=0 |
| 21:19.01 | gree | .11/0.01/0/0.1, dsn=4.3.0, status=deferred (temporary failure. Command output: /etc/maildroprc(8): Syntax error. ) |
| 21:19.49 | nsadmin | oh, so it's not a shell script |
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| 21:20.26 | gree | fortunately |
| 21:20.37 | gree | unfortunately |
| 21:23.26 | gree | but according to man maildroprc knows echo, probably using sligtly different syntax |
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| 21:25.22 | kjfletch | UK debian FTP seems to have stopped working. :'( |
| 21:26.45 | gree | home /home |
| 21:26.51 | gree | default /home/Maildir |
| 21:26.57 | gree | which is bad |
| 21:27.04 | poisonbit | kjfletch, telnet ftp.uk.debian.org 21 works from my route, and ping too (from spain) |
| 21:27.28 | poisonbit | 220 (vsFTPd 2.0.7) |
| 21:27.33 | broy_ | ! |
| 21:27.34 | kjfletch | Yeah, I get ping. none of the package managers are working. |
| 21:27.44 | poisonbit | ah |
| 21:27.57 | kjfletch | I'll try change the mirror. |
| 21:28.23 | poisonbit | maybe someone read you and tells to admins |
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| 21:29.14 | Kapace | Help! i accidentally sudo apt-get remove libaprutil1 and apt started to remove a whole bunch of packages! |
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| 21:29.59 | poisonbit | Kapace, /var/log/dpkg.log |
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| 21:30.14 | poisonbit | you can aptitude install foo, aptitude reinstal foo, etc |
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| 21:30.39 | Kapace | poisonbit, thats a really large text document, do you want me to tar.gz it? |
| 21:30.42 | kjfletch | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:30.42 | kjfletch | E: Failed to fetch http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/pool/main/f/ftgl/libftgl2_2.1.3~rc5-2_i386.deb: Connection failed |
| 21:30.42 | kjfletch | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:30.46 | kjfletch | Sorry for long paste. |
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| 21:31.05 | poisonbit | Kapace, I don't want your log |
| 21:31.16 | Kapace | oh, just use it to install stuff again? |
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| 21:31.33 | poisonbit | you can look in which packages changed when |
| 21:31.37 | poisonbit | :) |
| 21:31.56 | Kapace | ok |
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| 21:33.47 | poisonbit | } else { restore_backup("latest") } :) |
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| 21:35.02 | poisonbit | if you've loosed customizations in /etc, maybe from now on, you're interested in etc-keeper ++ |
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| 21:39.24 | gree | nsadmin: ok, now, it looks like, the maildrop is not run under the right user |
| 21:40.12 | gree | nsadmin: but I thought, it should be "default" behavor of the postfix |
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| 21:42.40 | iceroot | if i have a big download running with wget is there a way to put that into a screen-session or can i only use screen if i start it before? |
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| 21:43.13 | guest | hello all. antgel here using another virtual console |
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| 21:43.40 | guest | i just resumed from hibernate and my x session is blank on my laptop lcd. but all my processes are running normally. |
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| 21:43.58 | guest | anything i can try to get back in there without doing a ctrl-alt-backspace? |
| 21:44.07 | guest | i have a session i don't really want to lose |
| 21:45.06 | guest | oh, and when i plug in an external monitor, i get a display on that using xrandr |
| 21:45.12 | guest | just my laptop lcd which is blank |
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| 21:45.38 | jordanm | guest: happens to me and I just have to hit ctrl+alt+f7 |
| 21:46.08 | guest | jordanm: no, the f7 one is my "spare" (the one i'm using now). my "normal" session (f8) is blank |
| 21:46.54 | guest | i know the programs are working because when i type my password and hit return, i can see the hard drive light flashing as the screensaver unlocks |
| 21:47.06 | guest | ditto alt-f2 in gnome to open a program etc |
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| 21:47.20 | nsadmin | gree: what user has /home as a home dir? |
| 21:47.51 | gree | vsadmin (which is some administrator account on our VPS) |
| 21:48.08 | nsadmin | maybe it's run as that use |
| 21:48.09 | nsadmin | r |
| 21:48.27 | gree | probably |
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| 21:49.35 | gree | question is, how to tell procmail to run maildrop under the right account |
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| 21:50.12 | gree | I copied the configs from our old server and there it worked fine |
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| 21:52.00 | nsadmin | what user is procmail running as? |
| 21:52.12 | nsadmin | what access does vsadmin have? |
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| 21:54.04 | gree | the first question: I actually do not know how to find it otherwise than from the $HOME var |
| 21:54.31 | gree | since the process is started and closed imminently |
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| 21:56.37 | gree | the second question: vsadmin looks like a regular user (from passwd, groups, ...), but I considerably doubt that it really is... I will probably have to discuss this the admins of the VPS |
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| 21:57.57 | nsadmin | what you could do is put a procmail recipe at the top that executes on anything and then passes thru... see if you can get it to run a shell script or command |
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| 21:59.25 | gree | I am probably able to supersede the maildrop by the procmail completely, it could do the trick |
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| 21:59.42 | antgel_ | anyone got a clue for me ^^? (as guest) |
| 22:00.54 | nsadmin | no other user has /home as homedir? |
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| 22:02.55 | nsadmin | is procmail running maildrop? |
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| 22:03.33 | nsadmin | could it be that mail is coming in for vsadmin@something? |
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| 22:04.09 | gree | yes, no other user has /home as homedir. |
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| 22:04.41 | gree | no, maildrop is run directly by the postfix: mailbox_command = /usr/bin/maildrop |
| 22:04.43 | BeirutOffense | hey, I just accidentally pressed a shortcut key (I think ctrl+something -- possibly v,c,b,x) on a nautilus window - and in result, I seem to have "deleted" a file. How do you suppose I could get it back? it's not in the trash... any idea what short cut I might have presed? |
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| 22:04.59 | BeirutOffense | or is there perhaps a way to review action history, or something like that? anything to get the file back |
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| 22:05.16 | gree | the mail is comming with right address (as I can see in mail.log) |
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| 22:07.12 | poisonbit | why /etc/init.d/* is 755 and not 750 ? |
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| 22:09.56 | nsadmin | poisonbit: more convenient for people and crackers to read em! |
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| 22:10.42 | petern_ | shouldn't be anything sensitive in there? |
| 22:11.10 | broy_ | DJ(FKFJJDS#2010Dd3j3§33Jd77§3hhdd§3kdkkE |
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| 22:13.57 | poisonbit | petern_, depending on "sensitive" definition, like i.e. custom system design related to security |
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| 22:15.41 | poisonbit | I say... will i "broke" anything if install a custom init.d script, based on skeleton, but with 750 ? |
| 22:16.04 | petern_ | that, and load more permissions to tweak, is something your 'custom system design' can manage itself, i suppose |
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| 22:17.48 | poisonbit | although I may have seemed pedantic, it is my lack of English proficiency |
| 22:17.52 | magnux | Hello everyone |
| 22:20.04 | Tramp | poisonbit: I actually did not find anything in the policy-manual about the permissions of initscripts. There are probably "historical reasons" for that mode. I doubt you'd break something, but I'm not sure either |
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| 22:21.09 | gree | nsadmin: ok... I've solved it... and yes, I am you-know-what... I've installed maildrop package, but it does not use courier authentification and thus the maildrop was always run under another user |
| 22:21.32 | gree | after installing courier-maildrop it works fine |
| 22:21.42 | gree | anyway, thanks a lot |
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| 22:23.38 | nsadmin | gree: glad it worked out |
| 22:23.54 | poisonbit | Tramp, in man init, "If your system uses this convention, there should be a README file in the directory /etc/init.d explaining how these scripts work." |
| 22:24.01 | poisonbit | but i do not have that file |
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| 22:24.15 | nsadmin | really all it took was you expanding your focus so you could see more of the problem domain |
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| 22:25.21 | Tramp | poisonbit: sysv-rc: /etc/init.d/README - that's on Squeeze |
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| 22:25.43 | gree | agreed |
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| 22:26.12 | poisonbit | lenny lacks the file, I will fire my squeeze thinkpad :) |
| 22:26.20 | poisonbit | thanks |
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| 22:26.45 | Tramp | yw |
| 22:27.08 | gree | nsadmin: bye |
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| 22:28.32 | themill | poisonbit: you should, it's in the sysv-rc package. |
| 22:28.44 | themill | ,file /etc/init.d/README --release lenny |
| 22:28.46 | judd | /etc/init.d/README in lenny/i386: sysv-rc: etc/init.d/README; file-rc: etc/init.d/README |
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| 22:29.51 | poisonbit | I'm getting blind... -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1510 dic 26 2007 /etc/init.d/README |
| 22:30.03 | deed02392 | Hi guys |
| 22:30.07 | themill | poisonbit: less pr0n for you, then. |
| 22:30.12 | poisonbit | xD |
| 22:30.37 | sepult | lol |
| 22:31.02 | deed02392 | I've got two servers, one in Canada and one in France, and I have Canada back up to the server in France. I put a datestamp in the filenames of the backup which gets synced with rdiff-backup, but with the clocks being different thus the filenames not accurate for both servers, is it worth changing the times to be the same on the two servers or not? |
| 22:31.08 | Bushmills | poisonbit: then brltty may be for you. |
| 22:31.19 | poisonbit | :.) |
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| 22:31.28 | Bushmills | deed02392: run ntpd on both |
| 22:31.52 | poisonbit | I spent the whole weekend painting the house ... This should be side effects of toxic paint + rock & roll |
| 22:32.03 | deed02392 | what will that do for me Bushmills? |
| 22:32.19 | Bushmills | deed02392: cause both of them having accurate time |
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| 22:32.39 | Tramp | I think he somehow talks about timezones |
| 22:32.45 | Tramp | not sure though |
| 22:33.08 | Bushmills | milliseconds or sub-milliseconds accuracy |
| 22:33.30 | poisonbit | deed02392, which datestamp do you use ? |
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| 22:33.35 | Bushmills | i don't think so - time stamps are in UTC |
| 22:33.50 | zcat[1] | !nvidia squeeze |
| 22:33.50 | dpkg | The nvidia drivers currently in squeeze are compatible with the squeeze kernel. No need for a testing/unstable mix now. Use either module-assistant or DKMS to compile them; ask me about <nvidia m-a> <nvidia dkms>. |
| 22:34.02 | deed02392 | the day of the week |
| 22:34.02 | deed02392 | %a |
| 22:34.10 | ravenbird | UK's best rock band :) |
| 22:34.15 | deed02392 | only if you specify them when using the date function |
| 22:34.19 | deed02392 | but having said that |
| 22:34.24 | zcat[1] | !nvidia m-a |
| 22:34.24 | dpkg | [nvidia m-a] For Lenny and Squeeze users. Ensure you have <non-free sources> added. "aptitude install module-assistant && m-a a-i nvidia-kernel". After successful module compilation, "aptitude install nvidia-glx nvidia-xconfig && nvidia-xconfig -o /etc/X11/xorg.conf". See also <nvidia>. |
| 22:34.27 | deed02392 | i ran `date -u` on both and they didn't give the same UTC time |
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| 22:34.45 | themill | zcat[1]: feel free to just "/msg dpkg nvidia m-a" etc |
| 22:34.55 | zcat[1] | I did, and got no reply. |
| 22:35.02 | deed02392 | which is defintely not good is it? |
| 22:35.08 | themill | zcat[1]: you need to be in this channel first |
| 22:35.20 | zcat[1] | Oh, oops.. msg'd the wrong nick |
| 22:35.50 | Tramp | Bushmills: yes, but he talked about putting the datestamp in the filename, probably using $(date) to generate the filename |
| 22:36.06 | Bushmills | date -u |
| 22:36.27 | nsadmin | you could format the time so that it would work well as part of a file name |
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| 22:37.03 | nsadmin | you could have yyyy-mm-dd-hhmmPST |
| 22:37.40 | Bushmills | why encode time stamp into file name at all if files have times already? |
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| 22:37.52 | Bushmills | seems a bit redundant |
| 22:38.18 | nsadmin | I'd say it depends on the situation |
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| 22:38.58 | Tramp | deed02392: if "date -u" gives you different times, you have to fix that first |
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| 22:39.16 | deed02392 | yeah, i'll take a look at that now, thanks Tramp |
| 22:39.58 | zcat[1] | Bushmills: files don't get ranamed by the 'touch' command? |
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| 22:40.02 | zcat[1] | *renamed |
| 22:40.13 | Bushmills | renamed? no. |
| 22:40.36 | Bushmills | created, if not existing, yes |
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| 22:41.21 | zcat[1] | if you move/archive/backup/touch/whatever your files there's a good chance they'll end up with a new timestamp, less chance that the date in the filename will be changed |
| 22:41.55 | jordanm | not if you use the cp/rsync options to preserve timestamps... |
| 22:42.19 | jordanm | commonly -a to add recursive, permissions, and ownership as well |
| 22:42.34 | zcat[1] | "good chance" == "not know or forget to do whatever special option preserves timestamps" |
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| 22:43.09 | Tramp | if your application relies on knowing when a file was created, you have to save this meta-information somewhere, since it's simply not available by other means |
| 22:43.26 | zcat[1] | It's just easier to put the date as part of the filename sometimes |
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| 22:44.02 | poisonbit | i.e. when you want weekly rotation |
| 22:45.00 | poisonbit | well rotation should be throught logrotate and don't repeat yourself |
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| 22:45.23 | poisonbit | last part qouted |
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| 22:46.06 | zcat[1] | anyhow, with an insane amount of luck I should have working nvidia drivers again.. |
| 22:46.08 | poisonbit | rsyslogd has rotation too |
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| 22:47.34 | poisonbit | anyway, metadata makes sense talking about backup, as well as mbr does |
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| 23:17.58 | hesco | I'd like to mount /dev/sr0 as /media/dvd and was wondering what the type and options columns in /etc/fstab would be? Any ideas? |
| 23:18.49 | nsadmin | not sure about this, but check if you have a /dev/sr0 |
| 23:19.01 | nsadmin | it might be called /dev/scd0 instead |
| 23:19.34 | hesco | auto and defaults worked for me |
| 23:19.43 | hesco | brought the dvd right up in a player |
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| 23:19.58 | nsadmin | so sr0 does exist |
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| 23:22.56 | nsadmin | if it worked, you're done... right? |
| 23:23.26 | nsadmin | look at the output of mount |
| 23:23.30 | nsadmin | maybe that has the fs type |
| 23:23.59 | nsadmin | maybe you can use a type of auto |
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