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| 00:59.34 | fdfr | hi all, are there any free vpn clients for linux like anchor free hotspot shield for windows? |
| 00:59.35 | fdfr | thanks |
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| 01:05.16 | jhutchins_lt | fdfr: Not a clue, we don't generally know much about windows software here. There is VPN support in the kernel which is generally compatible with most Windows clients, although misconfigured VPN setups will more likely break linux clients. |
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| 01:06.16 | Bushmills | fdfr: there is openvpn. that's server and client, determined by its config file |
| 01:06.17 | jordanm | guesses he wants network-manager-pptp-gnome |
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| 01:06.51 | Bushmills | (03:06:33) vpnHelper: Bushmills: "pptp" is PPTP is known to be a faulty protocol. The designers of the protocol, Microsoft, recommend not to use it due to the inherent risks. Lots of people use PPTP anyway due to ease of use, but that doesn't mean it is any less hazardous. The maintainers of PPTP Client and Poptop recommend using OpenVPN (SSL based) or IPSec instead. http://pptpclient.sourceforge.net/protocol-security.phtml to read about why t |
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| 01:11.25 | chops1 | So I'm about to write a perl script to browse the output of ldapsearch to determine nested group membership... is there a simple and easy utility I'm missing that could do the same thing? |
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| 01:15.53 | jordanm | chops1: I would ask #openldap |
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| 01:21.15 | multi_io | to have the root fs on an LVM LV, do I need an initial ramdisk? |
| 01:21.16 | chops1 | jordanm: k, done |
| 01:22.06 | multi_io | shouldn't it be enough to have all the dm/lvm stuff compiled in statically? |
| 01:22.51 | chops1 | multi_io: LVM uses a certain amount of userspace as well... I'm actually not sure if you _have_ to have an initrd, but you'll almost certainly find it easier to use Debian kernels with initrds than to deal with all the hassle you'll have to go through to avoid them |
| 01:22.51 | jordanm | multi_io: I have run LVM systems without an initrd |
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| 01:25.45 | multi_io | jordanm: can you recall what you had compiled in? Did you have to jump through any additional hoops? |
| 01:26.01 | multi_io | I have CONFIG_MD, CONFIG_BLK_DEV_MD, CONFIG_MD_LINEAR, CONFIG_BLK_DEV_DM |
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| 01:26.29 | multi_io | thought that should be enough, but the volumes aren't recognized during startup |
| 01:29.37 | jordanm | multi_io: it was a gentoo system, so I had to jump through hoops regardless |
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| 01:30.39 | jordanm | multi_io: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/lvm2.xml |
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| 01:32.55 | XY | how to i update to squeeze from lenny? are there any chances at all ? |
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| 01:33.15 | jordanm | XY: if you have to ask, it is not recommended' |
| 01:33.24 | jordanm | !moving target |
| 01:33.25 | dpkg | Sure, testing might be shiner that stable, but are you prepared to be continually updating your system? Things that worked today will break tomorrow. Configuration file formats will change and you'll have to fold your changes in yet again. Testing is a moving target and if you'd rather work *with* your computer rather than working *on* your computer, you might not want that. See <testing security>. |
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| 01:34.47 | bitreader | where's the legend abrotman? |
| 01:35.21 | jordanm | believe it or not, some of us may have lives outside of #debian :) |
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| 01:36.53 | XY | jordanm: i *was* using lenny stable, but all this mess started, after i wanted conky-1.8.0 which requires conky-all from squeeze |
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| 01:48.46 | multi_io | jordanm: thx |
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| 01:58.46 | multi_io | looks like linux can't really handle LVM on USB-attached drives too well |
| 01:59.00 | multi_io | /dev/dm-2: read failed after 0 of 4096 at 0: Input/output error |
| 01:59.29 | multi_io | (got this after some mounting/unmounting/detaching/reattaching of the drive) |
| 02:00.17 | multi_io | can't recover from this it seems |
| 02:00.23 | multi_io | (until reboot) |
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| 02:06.49 | r0nin | is it better to create the partitions before creating an array with mdadm or after? |
| 02:06.56 | r0nin | or does it matter |
| 02:07.45 | dvs | r0nin: I think you have to create them before |
| 02:08.15 | chops1 | Are you constructing a RAID array out of partitioned space? That's how I would recommend it (in which case, create the partitions first) |
| 02:08.16 | multi_io | I can recover with vgchange -an <device> after all |
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| 02:13.51 | multi_io | r0nin: I mostly combine physical partitions (/dev/hdx / sdx) into raid devices, then use those as LVM PVs and create LVM VGs from them, which you can then divide into LVM partitions (LVs), onto which you install the filesystems |
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| 02:17.28 | ColdStart | im messing now with my CF card trying to format it for FAT16 under Debian, in order to use it on XP machine... but once im doing it, and put card into XP it says its not formatted and offers to format it |
| 02:17.31 | ColdStart | any thoughts? |
| 02:17.37 | ColdStart | im using fdisk /dev/sdb |
| 02:18.00 | ColdStart | and then choose to create new partition, change ID to 6 - FAT16, and then write table and exit... |
| 02:18.03 | dvs | ColdStart: let XP format it for you? |
| 02:18.19 | tbsaunde | ColdStart: use mkfs on it? |
| 02:18.27 | ColdStart | dvs, no... because XP doesnt do it the way it should be...and another my application doesnt get it |
| 02:18.38 | ColdStart | can u say me full command for mkfs? |
| 02:19.16 | ColdStart | i tried mkfs it didnt work... it says F16 not found...or something |
| 02:19.17 | tbsaunde | ColdStart: mkfs.vfat /dev/foo |
| 02:19.21 | ColdStart | well |
| 02:19.32 | ColdStart | but...on this command it says me mkfs.vfat not found |
| 02:19.40 | tbsaunde | ColdStart: foo being your cf card |
| 02:19.40 | ColdStart | mkfs is recognized...but mkfs.vfat not |
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| 02:20.37 | ColdStart | mkfs.vfat it says not found... |
| 02:20.40 | tbsaunde | ColdStart: then you need to install dosfs tools or something like that |
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| 02:20.50 | Tramp | ColdStart: aptitude install dosfstools |
| 02:21.06 | ColdStart | apt-get dosfstools ? |
| 02:21.10 | ColdStart | damn |
| 02:21.26 | ColdStart | this is real shit |
| 02:21.38 | ColdStart | but i have mkfs... would not that work? |
| 02:21.45 | fernandohleme | Does anyone already tried to use debian on eeepc |
| 02:21.55 | fernandohleme | ? |
| 02:22.01 | Tramp | !eeepc |
| 02:22.01 | dpkg | The Eee PC (aka RM ASUS Minibook) is a <netbook> designed by ASUS. Linux models are supplied with <Xandros> which is not supported in #debian, join #eeepc on irc.freenode.net for support. To install Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC for installation and configuration details. See also <atl2>, <atl1c>. Mailing list: http://alioth.debian.org/mail/?group_id=31309 #debian-eeepc on irc.oftc.net. |
| 02:22.30 | tbsaunde | ColdStart: yes, but that just wraps the program for the fs you want |
| 02:22.35 | fernandohleme | thanks dpkg |
| 02:22.40 | Tramp | yw |
| 02:23.02 | ColdStart | can anyone say me full command o format CF using mkfs? |
| 02:23.16 | ColdStart | mkfs -t F16 /dev/sdb it says F16 not found |
| 02:23.17 | Tramp | don't you get it? |
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| 02:23.52 | Tramp | I told you what you have to install and tbsaunde above told you the command |
| 02:24.31 | ColdStart | but i said that it says vfat is not found... i beleive there must be way to format it using mkfs |
| 02:24.39 | ColdStart | i just dont know...and askimg for experienced users |
| 02:24.50 | Tramp | so you installed dosfstools? |
| 02:24.58 | ColdStart | no i dont have it! |
| 02:25.31 | tbsaunde | ColdStart: so install it? |
| 02:25.40 | Tramp | and your religion does not allow to install it, as I told you 10 minutes ago? |
| 02:26.12 | ColdStart | do u know if it is possible to do it using mkfs or not? without installing more shit? |
| 02:26.22 | Tramp | NO ITS NOT |
| 02:26.23 | ColdStart | it really screws things |
| 02:26.33 | ColdStart | ok.. |
| 02:26.50 | ColdStart | what is the command to install dosfstools? just apt-get dosfstools ? or what? |
| 02:28.07 | Tramp | scroll up. I told you already. |
| 02:29.54 | ColdStart | hm dont c it |
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| 02:30.53 | ColdStart | aptitude install dosfstools? |
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| 02:32.54 | ColdStart | lol |
| 02:32.55 | ColdStart | ok |
| 02:33.04 | ColdStart | i guess one always has to solve problems himself :) |
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| 02:35.35 | magnux | hello. Why if I use traceroute I just get * instead the hosts or ips where the trace is? |
| 02:36.18 | \amethyst | magnux: that means it didn't get a response at that TTL |
| 02:36.22 | prince_jammys | traceroute counts on the hosts responding |
| 02:36.44 | \amethyst | magnux: it could be a router blocking packets, or a router mishandling the TTL |
| 02:37.19 | magnux | \amethyst, mmm that makes sense, thank you, is there a way to force it? |
| 02:37.32 | \amethyst | if it's the latter, you might see it pick back up after waiting for the ttl to double |
| 02:37.44 | \amethyst | if the former, there's not much you can do... maybe tcptraceroute instead |
| 02:37.51 | magnux | \amethyst, I am trying to show how it works but I just get the * |
| 02:38.20 | \amethyst | magnux: make sure your router/firewall isn't blocking icmp |
| 02:38.39 | \amethyst | if it happens on the very first hop |
| 02:38.49 | magnux | \amethyst, yeah! tcptraceroute works perfectly, thank you indeed |
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| 04:00.26 | multi_io | does G in lvmresize --size refer to gigabytes (10**9) or gibibytes (2**30)? |
| 04:02.06 | nostmith | gigabytes, iirc |
| 04:02.39 | nsadmin | I'd check the man page too |
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| 04:05.58 | multi_io | it doesn't say |
| 04:06.08 | multi_io | well, it says gigabytes |
| 04:06.32 | multi_io | but the resize2fs manpage says that too, and there it's gibibytes. |
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| 04:06.38 | multi_io | (just confirmed) |
| 04:09.01 | nsadmin | if any man page is inaccurate, that would be a filable bug, and I would put it one past normal |
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| 04:09.29 | gps23 | i have installed debian base, now when i run tasksel after booting into debian, it doesn't show 'standard-system-packages' |
| 04:09.51 | gps23 | how can i install standard-system-packages set now? |
| 04:12.29 | jordanm | gps23: that particular task is only available from the install AFAIK. I am betting installation of at, cron, and acpi would pull in most of the set as depends/recommends |
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| 04:14.09 | gps23 | jordanm: didn't acpi pulled by laptop task instead? |
| 04:14.28 | jordanm | yes, it would have been part of that as well |
| 04:15.30 | jordanm | gps23: ah! actually even though it does not show up in the list, you can still select it with: tasksel --new-install |
| 04:17.12 | gps23 | jordanm: got it. thanks :) |
| 04:17.13 | multi_io | well, apparently it's GiB in lvmresize too. |
| 04:17.44 | multi_io | (it says so in the "THIS CAN DESTROY ALL UR DATA!!1!" warning, but not anytime before that) |
| 04:19.53 | jordanm | multi_io: there is always much risk involved with shrinking.. I believe you can specify different types with -L5G or -L5M |
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| 04:20.26 | jordanm | multi_io: if you are not shrinking, you should use lvextend instead |
| 04:21.16 | jordanm | also, resize2fs will fill the rest of the partition by default, so a need to specify a size is not likely |
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| 04:25.20 | multi_io | yeah, once you get accustomed to the counter-intuitive idea to use lvmresize first and resize2fs after that |
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| 04:26.10 | multi_io | I am shrinking |
| 04:27.40 | multi_io | (my filesystem) |
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| 05:10.05 | Dav3 | hey all, I am using proftpd supplied by the debian repo and want to allow a user in my passwd file access to FTP but not to SSH, if I change their shell type to /bin/false it wont let the user login to FTP. any ideas? |
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| 05:12.48 | Squarism | on ubuntu there is a bash util "rename" : rename [ -v ] [ -n ] [ -f ] perlexpr [ files ]... is there something similar on debian? |
| 05:13.55 | liable | yes, rename :) |
| 05:14.49 | Squarism | liable: It take completely different arguments |
| 05:15.09 | \amethyst | Squarism: update-alternatives --config rename and select prename |
| 05:15.37 | \amethyst | though I was under the impression prename was the only alternative for rename in Lenny and up |
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| 05:18.39 | \amethyst | Squarism: alternatively, you could just call it as prename |
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| 05:20.11 | Squarism | \amethyst: i tried the debian syntax and its quite similar when understood |
| 05:20.13 | Squarism | =D |
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| 05:29.06 | civillian | Dav3, look for a setting in proftpd.conf called 'RequireValidShell' and make sure it's set to Off |
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| 05:29.45 | Dav3 | figure the issue, was /etc/shell |
| 05:29.46 | Dav3 | figure the issue, was /etc/shells |
| 05:29.53 | Dav3 | i was stupid and forgot to add false to the list |
| 05:29.55 | Dav3 | lol |
| 05:30.00 | Dav3 | sorry, but thanks :) |
| 05:30.58 | civillian | Dav3, I'd say that makes '/bin/false' valid for other purposes aswell, you might want to look into reversing that change and going for RequireValidShell |
| 05:30.58 | __toppy | Hmm..I don't understand shorewall very well |
| 05:31.38 | __toppy | if I have shorewall's policy rule setup to reject all from local network interface to "all" destination zones, why am I still able to ping outside networks, ssh to other machines, etc...? |
| 05:32.12 | __toppy | so the rule is "loc all REJECT" |
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| 05:35.38 | sepult | try loc all DROP |
| 05:36.05 | sepult | but __toppy that's nonsense, why should you do that ? |
| 05:36.17 | __toppy | to setup rules thereafter |
| 05:36.22 | sepult | ok |
| 05:36.37 | __toppy | hmm.. didn't work |
| 05:36.38 | __toppy | same result |
| 05:36.41 | sepult | which dgram type is ping ? |
| 05:36.50 | __toppy | icmp ? |
| 05:37.07 | sepult | jep |
| 05:37.10 | __toppy | but |
| 05:37.16 | __toppy | I can ssh too |
| 05:37.30 | \amethyst | __toppy: just to be clear, it's allowing you to connect from a different machine on your local network to something else? |
| 05:37.32 | __toppy | shouldn't this be disabled with this policy? |
| 05:38.03 | __toppy | \amethyst: it's allowing me to connect to a different machine on the network |
| 05:38.05 | sepult | hrmm... |
| 05:38.10 | \amethyst | __toppy: from where? |
| 05:38.18 | __toppy | from the system I have shorewall on |
| 05:38.20 | \amethyst | __toppy: AIUI 'loc' means the things behind the firewall, not the firewall itself |
| 05:38.26 | \amethyst | __toppy: you want 'fw' maybe |
| 05:38.30 | __toppy | right |
| 05:38.37 | sepult | right |
| 05:38.38 | sepult | heh |
| 05:38.38 | __toppy | traffic originating locally, right? |
| 05:38.39 | sepult | lol |
| 05:39.25 | __toppy | so shouldn't "loc all REJECT" mean that traffic originating locally should be rejected? i.e., I shouldn't be able to ssh to another machine from the shorewall machine? |
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| 05:40.09 | sepult | yes, but lo must be in promiscuous mode ? |
| 05:40.16 | sepult | or not ?! |
| 05:40.21 | __toppy | what does that mean? :p |
| 05:40.40 | sepult | err, what should be in promiscuous mode |
| 05:40.42 | sepult | eth0 ? |
| 05:40.51 | \amethyst | __toppy: I don't think 'loc' includes the machine running shorewall, but I may be mistaken |
| 05:40.55 | __toppy | what is promiscuous mode? |
| 05:41.30 | __toppy | oh, I see |
| 05:41.36 | __toppy | what does "loc" mean then? confusing! :p |
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| 05:41.47 | \amethyst | __toppy: it means the machines behind your firewall |
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| 05:42.01 | __toppy | oh, I see |
| 05:42.08 | \amethyst | 'local network' |
| 05:42.15 | __toppy | so anything connecting to my machine that would route through the machine? |
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| 05:42.32 | __toppy | but... hmm |
| 05:42.42 | \amethyst | that's the idea; though it depends on how the zone is configured |
| 05:43.15 | \amethyst | usually 'loc' would mean 'things to which I am connected via this particular interface' |
| 05:43.17 | sepult | is portforwardin gon ? |
| 05:44.29 | \amethyst | __toppy: this is what I'm gathering from the web site anyway; I haven't yet moved away from ipmasq :) |
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| 05:44.50 | __toppy | :p |
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| 05:45.49 | Bop | any kind soul would compile kernel 2.6.35-rc1 for me ? :D |
| 05:46.17 | __toppy | well |
| 05:46.19 | __toppy | let's see here |
| 05:46.26 | __toppy | I don't have 'loc' associated with an interface |
| 05:46.30 | __toppy | so my guess is this is why it does nothing |
| 05:46.37 | __toppy | only 'net' is |
| 05:46.55 | __toppy | so I suppose if I was using this machine as the firewall to the net |
| 05:46.57 | sepult | heh |
| 05:47.12 | __toppy | I could connect eth0 to the internet, and eth1 to the local network |
| 05:47.19 | __toppy | then associate net with eth0, and loc with eth1 |
| 05:47.27 | \amethyst | __toppy: yup, that's the idea |
| 05:47.28 | __toppy | ok.. I think maybe this is why it does nothing |
| 05:47.31 | __toppy | :D |
| 05:47.32 | \amethyst | __toppy: if you want to refer to the machine running shorewall, you use $FW |
| 05:47.46 | __toppy | ah, ok |
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| 05:48.30 | __toppy | so |
| 05:48.37 | __toppy | looks like I don't even need a 'loc' zone |
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| 05:48.41 | __toppy | I shall delete this |
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| 05:49.30 | sepult | i don't have neither a loc zone |
| 05:49.51 | sepult | and even some docs mention to not mention it in firewall contexts at all |
| 05:50.06 | __toppy | yeah |
| 05:50.14 | __toppy | confusing tutorials on the web |
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| 05:58.14 | tuv | when wget is invoked by apt, is it supposed to use apt's http_proxy setting? e.g. msttcorefonts, flashplugin-nonfree |
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| 06:02.26 | __toppy | is there any way to force nano to open a file as if it were a paritcular type? For instance many of the bash scripts in /etc/init.d don't have a ".sh" ending, so the .nanorc file doesn't open it with bash script coloring |
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| 06:03.50 | Neo|Desktop | is away: away: night all <3 |
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| 06:04.07 | LoRez | Neo|Desktop: turn that off. |
| 06:04.35 | \amethyst | __toppy: nano -Y sh |
| 06:04.47 | __toppy | ah, nice |
| 06:04.58 | __toppy | yeesh |
| 06:05.01 | __toppy | was just looking through man page too |
| 06:05.04 | __toppy | and missed that! :p |
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| 06:05.42 | \amethyst | __toppy: though here it notices the #! /bin/sh and sets the syntax to sh automatically |
| 06:06.02 | __toppy | well |
| 06:06.09 | __toppy | it says #!/bin/bash |
| 06:06.10 | __toppy | :p |
| 06:06.15 | \amethyst | that should work too |
| 06:06.19 | __toppy | it doesn't |
| 06:06.30 | __toppy | maybe I can config in the .nanorc file I suppose? |
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| 06:06.48 | \amethyst | probably... I don't use nano so I don't know the details |
| 06:06.55 | __toppy | what do you use? |
| 06:07.06 | __toppy | I mainly use vim |
| 06:07.11 | __toppy | but now trying out nano |
| 06:07.14 | __toppy | and seems to work well |
| 06:07.23 | __toppy | gotta say I like it better than vim |
| 06:07.27 | \amethyst | __toppy: vim here, occasionally emacs |
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| 06:07.43 | __toppy | hmm |
| 06:07.59 | __toppy | now I have to see if I can edit the mysql startup script to handle multiple mysql daemons :p |
| 06:08.02 | __toppy | wish me luck.. lol |
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| 06:25.21 | santiago | hello folks |
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| 06:26.48 | santiago | my dedicated machine using lenny is using no more than 3.5GB of ram out of 8GB available... i'm especially wondering about mysql there not making use of it... at the same time swap is at 40% of use... why is this happening? |
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| 06:27.38 | santiago | whatever mysql setup i try it's still not going over 3.5GB and that's together with all the other stuff including system itself, is that normal or is something locking my mem to the limit of 3.5GB? |
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| 06:27.51 | kchehab | hi ppl |
| 06:28.07 | \amethyst | santiago: is this a 32-bit install? |
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| 06:28.39 | santiago | amethyst: no, it's 64-bit |
| 06:29.14 | kchehab | i am trying to install using aot-get but it failes Some packages could not be installed. .... |
| 06:29.14 | kchehab | The following packages have unmet dependencies: ................ |
| 06:29.14 | kchehab | how can i fix it |
| 06:29.15 | santiago | amethyst: but in fact, i feel like it was 32-bit |
| 06:29.15 | kchehab | apt-get* |
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| 06:29.17 | santiago | amethyst: i'm trying to find a way to verify that my 64-bit is all in place there |
| 06:29.28 | kchehab | how can i get the dependencies |
| 06:29.49 | \amethyst | santiago: file /usr/sbin/mysqld |
| 06:29.50 | kchehab | or roll back |
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| 06:30.10 | santiago | amethyst: /usr/sbin/mysqld: ELF 64-bit LSB shared object, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.8, stripped |
| 06:30.22 | \amethyst | hm |
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| 06:30.54 | \amethyst | sounds good then... maybe #mysql can help if we can't |
| 06:31.18 | santiago | amethyst: i think that this could be system-related, e.g. why is swap being heavily used? 200/512MB now |
| 06:31.37 | santiago | if there is plenty of ram it shouldn't happen right? and often it goes to the top... 512/512 |
| 06:31.53 | santiago | just like there was some bottlneck in there |
| 06:32.45 | santiago | could be some major misconfiguration and i have no clue how to test to find out |
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| 06:32.50 | \amethyst | Linux prefers to swap out infrequently used dirty pages in favor of frequently used cached pages |
| 06:33.07 | \amethyst | or do you have only 3.5 GiB used including cache |
| 06:33.08 | \amethyst | ? |
| 06:33.14 | santiago | amethyst: and what happens if swap is full? |
| 06:33.20 | santiago | hm wait |
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| 06:33.52 | santiago | Mem: 8090100k total, 7326580k used, 763520k free, 168456k buffers |
| 06:33.52 | santiago | Swap: 524280k total, 213248k used, 311032k free, 4418972k cached |
| 06:33.56 | \amethyst | then it can't do that any more, and cached pages will have to be evicted |
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| 06:34.28 | santiago | that cached stuff is always staying high... nothing is using it |
| 06:34.51 | \amethyst | you can tune the tradeoff with e.g. echo 0 > /proc/sys/vm/swappiness |
| 06:34.51 | santiago | while mysql is boiling at 300-350qps sometimes and could really use some more of it |
| 06:34.59 | santiago | oh hm |
| 06:35.13 | santiago | that would disable swapping? |
| 06:35.17 | \amethyst | no |
| 06:35.39 | santiago | reading up on swappiness |
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| 06:36.04 | \amethyst | but it would make it much less likely that you'll go into swap when there is memory available and used as cache |
| 06:36.11 | \amethyst | IIRC mysql has config options that say how much memory it should use as its internal cache |
| 06:36.31 | santiago | http://kerneltrap.org/node/3000 - seems great |
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| 06:36.38 | santiago | nice article on swappiness |
| 06:37.05 | santiago | amethyst: i read you - so it's like pumping up swap intelligence |
| 06:37.06 | \amethyst | the 'cache' listed in 'free' likely holds a lot of pages for mysql's table files |
| 06:37.56 | \amethyst | by mysql has its own caches as well, like the key buffer, query cache, and so on |
| 06:38.04 | kchehab | i paste my error at http://www.binpaste.com/v.php?id=lrvlf can any one help me please |
| 06:39.00 | santiago | amethyst: yes and i spent weeks configing it... no matter how many gigs of caches, buffers, etc. i set - it's always boiling within those 3.3-3.5GB |
| 06:39.12 | \amethyst | kchehab: you could try installing mediaproxy-common, whatever that is |
| 06:39.13 | santiago | hrhm cat: proc/sys/vm/swappiness: No such file or directory |
| 06:39.24 | \amethyst | santiago: you left off the / |
| 06:39.43 | santiago | err true - coffee time |
| 06:39.49 | santiago | hm it's 60 there |
| 06:39.57 | \amethyst | that's the default I believe |
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| 06:40.05 | santiago | that's awful |
| 06:40.13 | santiago | i appreciate alot - this will cut i/o a bit i believe |
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| 06:40.19 | santiago | if i change that to 0 |
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| 06:40.33 | \amethyst | you could just disable your swap, if you don't want to be swapping |
| 06:40.34 | santiago | as i suppose that swap includes LOTS of cached mysql tables |
| 06:40.43 | santiago | is it safe? |
| 06:40.45 | \amethyst | probably not |
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| 06:40.59 | \amethyst | I mean, the swap probably doesn't include cached mysql tables |
| 06:41.00 | petern_ | hm, ftp.uk unreachable :s |
| 06:41.04 | \amethyst | only dirty pages go to swap |
| 06:41.54 | \amethyst | mysql's tables are backed by files, so when they need to be evicted from memory they'd be written to the files |
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| 06:42.51 | santiago | ameethyst: i read you hmm... so why so many dirty pages? |
| 06:43.16 | santiago | there could be some bad stuff going on causing the box to choke on swap |
| 06:43.29 | \amethyst | probably other programs are being paged out because mysql and the buffer cache are using so much memory |
| 06:43.39 | santiago | btw do i need to reboot after setting swappiness to 0? |
| 06:43.45 | kchehab | i have a problem on debian's package maintainers any one can help |
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| 06:44.10 | \amethyst | no, though setting it to zero won't cause the kernel to pull things out of swap |
| 06:44.15 | santiago | indeed amethyst... that could be true... as you can see - mysql is trying to expand and it can't - sucking other processes dry |
| 06:44.38 | santiago | amethyst: is it safe to just turn swap off and push everything back into mem and then swap on again? |
| 06:44.56 | \amethyst | as long as you're not using over <RAM> amount of memory, yes |
| 06:44.58 | \amethyst | and you're not |
| 06:45.27 | \amethyst | usually turning swappiness down that far will just make performance worse |
| 06:45.38 | \amethyst | as there is less RAM available for the page cache |
| 06:45.46 | \amethyst | but it's worth trying, I guess |
| 06:46.04 | santiago | swap off -a |
| 06:46.07 | santiago | running... |
| 06:46.30 | \amethyst | you might just need more RAM :) |
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| 06:46.49 | santiago | why would i need more if there is like 5GB laying around unused.. |
| 06:46.57 | \amethyst | it's being used for the page cache |
| 06:47.09 | santiago | so how do i reduce that cache? |
| 06:47.14 | \amethyst | ... |
| 06:47.14 | santiago | perhaps THAT's the trick |
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| 06:47.28 | santiago | i need more ram available to mysql, not pages |
| 06:47.33 | \amethyst | that means that whenever mysql needs to read your tables it will have to go to disk |
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| 06:47.47 | santiago | i want it to read out of mem |
| 06:47.57 | \amethyst | then you want the tables to be in the page cache |
| 06:47.58 | santiago | and stop using disk |
| 06:48.08 | santiago | ok so it's pretty ok to keep it like that |
| 06:48.16 | \amethyst | AFAIK mysql doesn't cache the tables itself, but rather relies on the OS's page cache to do so |
| 06:49.10 | \amethyst | how big are your tables? |
| 06:49.14 | santiago | i'm so confused |
| 06:49.30 | santiago | the biggest table is like 2.5 gigs |
| 06:49.45 | \amethyst | santiago: and all the commonly used ones together? |
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| 06:50.10 | avuton | What tool does apt-get use to do initial configuration of mysql? Thanks in advance, google isn't being very helpful here. |
| 06:50.14 | santiago | not so much more - i would say 3 gigs |
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| 06:50.35 | santiago | amethyst: mysql tools say that 75% of queries are writes |
| 06:50.39 | \amethyst | santiago: oh |
| 06:50.45 | \amethyst | santiago: then you will have lots of I/O |
| 06:50.49 | santiago | yes :( |
| 06:51.02 | santiago | and i don't even know how to find out if my i/o is fine |
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| 06:51.12 | santiago | it's a nice xeon box |
| 06:51.25 | santiago | but i really smell some crap in there |
| 06:51.37 | \amethyst | santiago: iostat can tell you tps and blocks read/written per second |
| 06:51.39 | santiago | mysql is laggy and that strange mem usage |
| 06:51.58 | santiago | ok i will try now, tried before but couldn't estimate or understand the results too well |
| 06:52.04 | \amethyst | #mysql can probably help you more with tuning mysql than we can |
| 06:52.15 | santiago | still, this could be about my system |
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| 06:52.29 | santiago | as i/o does influence mysql performance alot, doesn't it? |
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| 06:52.45 | \amethyst | yes, especially if 75% of your queries are writes :) |
| 06:52.46 | santiago | i was even wondering about flash disks instead of sata |
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| 06:53.17 | \amethyst | with that much write load I don't know how much SSD will help |
| 06:53.30 | Cope | Hello - what's the anatomy of a debian package? I'd like to see what is happening under the hood when I do a dpkg-reconfigure - where would the scripts live? |
| 06:53.31 | \amethyst | what kind of disk configuration do you have? |
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| 06:54.03 | santiago | amethyst honestly.. it's not even a raid |
| 06:54.07 | \amethyst | oh |
| 06:54.15 | santiago | big nono eh? |
| 06:54.17 | \amethyst | you want a RAID 10 :) |
| 06:54.22 | santiago | he he |
| 06:54.32 | \amethyst | *not* RAID 5... that will just make it worse :) |
| 06:54.44 | santiago | i got only 2 drives in there |
| 06:54.49 | santiago | that's the prob |
| 06:54.59 | lindi- | Cope: "strace -o s -s4096 -f dpkg-reconfigure foo" and then "grep open\( s" is a great way to look under the hood :) |
| 06:55.03 | santiago | so i rather kept the other one for backups instead of running raid 0/1 there |
| 06:55.24 | \amethyst | santiago: so what does iostat 1 say about blocks written per second? |
| 06:55.40 | lindi- | Cope: and then compare that to what "apt-get install debian-policy" states |
| 06:56.19 | santiago | amethyst: at this time of the day box isn't heavily used and i can see blocks per sec anywhere from 60-120 to 1344 (bursts) |
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| 06:57.04 | santiago | most is between 80 and 340, sometimes 700, and sometimes it goes over 1k per sec |
| 06:57.33 | santiago | when that happens (1k+) tps goes around 120 |
| 06:57.41 | santiago | while it keeps like 2 other times |
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| 06:59.04 | santiago | hm a burst of 2488 blocks per second and tps 240 momentally |
| 06:59.04 | santiago | seems like writing steals ALOT of i/o? |
| 06:59.36 | \amethyst | well, I/O takes a lot of I/O... and writes can't (safely) be cached |
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| 07:00.12 | santiago | i once tried to imagine whole mysql moved to ramdisk.. |
| 07:00.33 | santiago | so hdd isn't really used at all |
| 07:00.46 | \amethyst | what happens when the computer crashes? |
| 07:00.51 | santiago | i don't know... |
| 07:00.58 | \amethyst | you lose your data :) |
| 07:01.05 | santiago | i would relay on freq backups |
| 07:01.13 | santiago | or even chained mysql |
| 07:01.27 | santiago | to do network backups |
| 07:01.49 | \amethyst | perhaps there's some way to tell mysql "I don't care about data integrity, don't flush things to disk" |
| 07:02.03 | Sm0ke0ut | hmpf, the clamav package in Debian stable is EOL |
| 07:02.03 | santiago | hm yes but not in case of all tables |
| 07:02.11 | \amethyst | mysql already has a reputation for being the dbms that doesn't care about data integrity :) |
| 07:02.23 | santiago | i know that too well so far :) |
| 07:02.42 | \amethyst | are you using innodb? |
| 07:02.43 | santiago | there was a blackout lately... so many tables turned into dust |
| 07:02.48 | santiago | no, it's all myisam |
| 07:03.12 | santiago | mysql really can't survive a random blackout |
| 07:03.25 | \amethyst | not with myisam anyway :) |
| 07:03.46 | santiago | if there are enough writes when it happens... data go to hell |
| 07:03.57 | santiago | i lost so many data |
| 07:04.06 | santiago | repair didn't really help in a few cases |
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| 07:05.06 | santiago | sorry, discon |
| 07:05.16 | \amethyst | so if it's that bad anyway, putting your tables on a tmpfs couldn't hurt too much more :) |
| 07:05.16 | santiago | <santiago> if there are enough writes when it happens... data go to hell |
| 07:05.16 | santiago | <santiago> i lost so many data |
| 07:05.24 | santiago | <santiago> repair didn't really help in a few cases |
| 07:05.24 | santiago | <santiago> WHILE backing up on the fly is simply too hard with big tables |
| 07:05.42 | santiago | indeed... it couldn't hurt too much more :) |
| 07:05.44 | __toppy | someone send me a bash scripting book, quick! :p |
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| 07:06.11 | \amethyst | __toppy: http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashGuide |
| 07:06.14 | santiago | amethyst: but can i really cheat mysql so hard? |
| 07:06.16 | ethanol | mornin' all |
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| 07:09.06 | \amethyst | santiago: you *can*... whether it's a good idea is a different question :) |
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| 07:11.38 | santiago | amethyst: let me rephrase: would mysql really believe in tmpfs? :) |
| 07:11.45 | santiago | totally |
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| 07:15.36 | \amethyst | santiago: well, once you put your mechanisms in place to maintain integrity (snapshots, replication, whatever), it's probably not much of a benefit over the current situation |
| 07:16.00 | \amethyst | santiago: and putting gigabytes into a tmpfs with so little swap risks awakening the OOM-killer :) |
| 07:16.24 | \amethyst | santiago: (and, of course, if you increase the amount of swap, you're back to doing all kinds of I/O) |
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| 07:24.44 | milligan_ | I have a compact flash card. I plugged it into my reader once, and it mounted and worked. I safely removed it .. plugged it in a second time, and now it doesn't mount. What could be wrong ? |
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| 07:26.22 | simonrvn | check syslog, dmesg |
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| 07:28.02 | manchot | what should be the default permisssions for /var/www ? |
| 07:28.17 | manchot | should user www-data own it? or should root own it? |
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| 07:28.39 | simonrvn | usual system perms ownership |
| 07:28.48 | simonrvn | root:root 755 |
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| 07:31.47 | manchot | simonrvn, but some programs won't install if the owern is not www-data |
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| 07:59.40 | blahdeblah | Hi. I'm trying to configure a bridge containing a bonded Ethernet interface, and when i try to bring up the bond interface it gives me the message: "Don't seem to be have all the variables for bond1/inet" (including the bad grammar!) |
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| 08:00.16 | blahdeblah | If i add an address and a netmask to the bond interface, it comes up OK, but i want my IP on the bridge interface, not the bond interface. |
| 08:00.34 | blahdeblah | Any ideas how i can bring up the bond interface without needing an IP? |
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| 08:13.29 | brokensys | hi all, am messing with sshd_config on Debian Lenny, re ListenAddress, since I have a dynamic IP can I put an ip range for ListenAddress? |
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| 08:15.58 | brokensys | flergen.. |
| 08:16.10 | brokensys | whoops wrong win, sorry |
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| 08:21.57 | Bushmills | brokensys: no. it needs an existing ip address, for the interface to bind to |
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| 08:22.11 | Bushmills | existing as in, and address assigned to an interface |
| 08:22.14 | Bushmills | an |
| 08:22.43 | Bushmills | you may be able to give the host name, resolving to the address of your interface |
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| 08:23.37 | Bushmills | (which you probably have, and update, otherwise having sshd listen to an interface with dynamic address doesn't make sense, as you wouldn't be able to connect to it) |
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| 08:24.58 | Bushmills | maybe some trickery is needed when dhcp client requests a new ip address |
| 08:26.43 | iceroot | is there a way to start a process with less priority? so its not eating the whole cpu |
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| 08:26.53 | Bushmills | nice |
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| 08:27.26 | Bushmills | but it will still eat whole cpu |
| 08:28.02 | Bushmills | only, it will give precedence to other CPU-consuming processes |
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| 08:28.46 | iceroot | Bushmills: ok, thanks |
| 08:29.32 | brokensys | Bushmills: thanks, sigh! the first two octets in my IP never change ... anyway, cheers' |
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| 08:31.16 | Bushmills | brokensys: ssh can't bind to an interface with is one of those 65534 addresses, but happens to be on a remote machine. |
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| 08:31.37 | datenritter | i just upgraded to icedove 3.04 (from an older 2.x version) and now my filters are lost. is that the normal behaviour? (i had like 30 filters... this sucks) |
| 08:31.43 | geekyogi | I need to log all the remote login Telnet or SSH activities... lilke which folder and files they accessed... is there any way.? |
| 08:31.56 | datenritter | any idea what i could do? mybe get the filters from a backup... somehow? |
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| 08:32.30 | Bushmills | geekyogi: that's a task of the app you allow to access files and .. pardon .. "folders"? |
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| 08:34.39 | geekyogi | Bushmills: hmm.. sorry directories.. but is there anyway to log all the remote user activities..? the entire terminal.. |
| 08:35.44 | Bushmills | i suppose you could start a scripting shell |
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| 08:36.31 | Night_Elf | Bushmills: I wonder if changing the shell to be /usr/bin/script will do that? I will see what happens |
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| 08:41.21 | santiago | amethyst: so far so good... 0 swappiness seems to do alot goodie |
| 08:41.34 | santiago | thank you so much - i would never find out myself |
| 08:42.31 | santiago | i don't really care much about some mem being wasted as it won't be swapped away... especially because swapping slows down i/o alot while i need max of it every single second |
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| 08:43.11 | shazbotmcnasty | I just install rubyripper |
| 08:43.14 | shazbotmcnasty | from repos |
| 08:43.17 | shazbotmcnasty | how I start? |
| 08:44.11 | babilen | shazbotmcnasty: /usr/share/doc/rubyripper/README.Debian (and other files therein) might answer that |
| 08:44.19 | shazbotmcnasty | cool |
| 08:44.20 | shazbotmcnasty | thanks |
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| 08:45.14 | shazbotmcnasty | how do I open README.gz from cli? |
| 08:45.35 | babilen | shazbotmcnasty: Just use most/less/more (whatever) |
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| 08:45.50 | shazbotmcnasty | excuse me? |
| 08:45.53 | acathur | zless? |
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| 08:46.48 | babilen | shazbotmcnasty: It will be unpacked automatically - and yes "zless" is the exact program you want. But "most" (preferred pager) and "less" will do that automagically |
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| 08:47.29 | shazbotmcnasty | more doesn't work |
| 08:47.41 | shazbotmcnasty | I get a whojle bunch of useles text |
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| 08:48.05 | shazbotmcnasty | and less zline I get: /bin/zless: line 53: exec: less: not found |
| 08:48.12 | shazbotmcnasty | zless* |
| 08:48.14 | babilen | shazbotmcnasty: try "most" , "less" or "zless" |
| 08:48.25 | shazbotmcnasty | I did all three bro |
| 08:48.32 | babilen | and? |
| 08:48.32 | shazbotmcnasty | none of the above work |
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| 08:49.30 | babilen | that is a pity - you probably want to install "most" and fix your less installation. (zless is shipped in the "gzip" package) |
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| 08:49.51 | shazbotmcnasty | most: gives me this http://pastebin.org/295482 |
| 08:49.56 | shazbotmcnasty | but it doesn't actually look like that |
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| 08:50.03 | shazbotmcnasty | it is mostly question mark diamonds |
| 08:50.15 | shazbotmcnasty | and less is borked |
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| 08:50.25 | babilen | shazbotmcnasty: Install the "gzip" package |
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| 08:50.41 | shazbotmcnasty | babilen, already installed |
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| 08:50.52 | babilen | shazbotmcnasty: You see binary (and no there are no blondes in red dresses unfortunately) |
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| 08:51.03 | babilen | shazbotmcnasty: And zless is not working either? |
| 08:51.06 | shazbotmcnasty | no |
| 08:52.02 | babilen | shazbotmcnasty: Ok, try "zcat /usr/share/doc/rubyripper/README.Debian.gz > ~/README.Debian" and then "most ~/README.Debian" does that work? |
| 08:52.23 | shazbotmcnasty | there is no README.Debian.gz |
| 08:52.27 | shazbotmcnasty | just README.gz |
| 08:52.33 | Bushmills | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:52.38 | babilen | shazbotmcnasty: ok - README.gz then :) |
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| 08:53.28 | babilen | shazbotmcnasty: and install "less" ... *sigh* (thanks Bushmills) |
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| 08:54.00 | Bushmills | though gzip (providing zless) should have that as dependency |
| 08:54.23 | Bushmills | ah, no. is only suggested |
| 08:54.32 | babilen | yeah |
| 08:54.49 | shazbotmcnasty | okay |
| 08:54.51 | shazbotmcnasty | well |
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| 08:54.56 | shazbotmcnasty | it doesn't tell me how to run rubyripper |
| 08:55.02 | shazbotmcnasty | removes eyes |
| 08:55.06 | babilen | \o/ |
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| 08:55.34 | babilen | shazbotmcnasty: http://code.google.com/p/rubyripper/w/list ? |
| 08:55.50 | shazbotmcnasty | it's in the repos man |
| 08:55.53 | babilen | shazbotmcnasty: And? |
| 08:56.07 | babilen | shazbotmcnasty: Does that mean that #debian should support every single program shipped by Debian? Take a look at rubyripper's wiki which I kindly googled for you |
| 08:56.19 | shazbotmcnasty | I's lookin bro |
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| 08:56.44 | babilen | shazbotmcnasty: reading the manpage might also be an idea - running it with "--help" another ... endless opportunities to learn about rubyripper |
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| 08:57.00 | shazbotmcnasty | awesome |
| 08:57.02 | shazbotmcnasty | I can get the man pages and run it with --help |
| 08:57.02 | shazbotmcnasty | when I don't know how to run it |
| 08:57.06 | shazbotmcnasty | I can get the manual from the google code site though |
| 08:57.06 | shazbotmcnasty | thanks |
| 08:57.06 | shazbotmcnasty | I'm going to go no :) |
| 08:57.06 | Bushmills | reading man pages, stupid idea. that's what IRC is for :) |
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| 08:57.15 | shazbotmcnasty | that's not what I meant |
| 08:57.22 | shazbotmcnasty | I can't 'man rubyripper' is what I meant |
| 08:57.33 | babilen | undocumented? |
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| 08:57.53 | shazbotmcnasty | well I don't know the binary that it installs with... |
| 08:58.01 | shazbotmcnasty | I 'sudo apt-get install rubyripper' |
| 08:58.07 | shazbotmcnasty | but I can't run it with 'rubyripper' |
| 08:58.09 | babilen | dpkg -L rubyripper |
| 08:58.10 | dpkg | No packages found matching rubyripper |
| 08:58.20 | shazbotmcnasty | which is illogical |
| 08:58.22 | shazbotmcnasty | that's funny |
| 08:58.29 | babilen | ,versions rubyripper |
| 08:58.30 | judd | rubyripper -- sid-multimedia: 0.5.7-0.0; squeeze-multimedia: 0.5.7-0.0 |
| 08:58.38 | babilen | ah :) |
| 08:58.54 | babilen | shazbotmcnasty: Why exactly is that illogical? |
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| 08:59.22 | babilen | (in general - i agree that there is a logic in your logic for rubyripper) |
| 08:59.32 | shazbotmcnasty | because it just makes sense that if you install a package named 'rubyripper' the installed package would be called 'rubyripper' |
| 08:59.50 | shazbotmcnasty | like most other apps that I've came accross |
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| 09:00.36 | babilen | shazbotmcnasty: The installed package is still called rubyripper. But please note that there are *a lot* of packages that ship more than one binary so your assumption that installing PKG_NAME should enable your to run /usr/bin/PKG_NAME is wrong |
| 09:00.48 | shazbotmcnasty | :/ |
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| 09:01.00 | babilen | anyway - dpkg -L will tell you |
| 09:01.18 | babilen | have you tried that already or do you thought I was talking to our bot? |
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| 09:01.42 | shazbotmcnasty | i actually did think you were talking to the bot :[ |
| 09:02.16 | shazbotmcnasty | sweet |
| 09:02.19 | shazbotmcnasty | thank you |
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| 09:02.33 | babilen | good luck |
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| 09:05.21 | fiacha | Hi... i am using Debian Lenny as a Guest on on a VMware vSphere... i am trying to rsync from one system to another an right now it the sync is going at only 2MB/s... they are connected vis gigabit ethernet and the storage that the vmware uses isn't even showing any load... a while back it was going at kleast something like 30MB/s... what can i do to find out why it is so slow and what might i be able to do about it? (i used the net |
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| 09:06.35 | rimmele_mnm | hello all, does anybody know a way to recover a over written file ob a debian system? (file system is ext3) |
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| 09:10.06 | liable | !undelete |
| 09:10.07 | dpkg | Linux doesn't generally support 'undeleting' files. For ext2fs *only*, use mc (Midnight Commander), umount the fs, and select "Undelete files" from menu. For ext3fs, see http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/undelete_ext3.html and ask me about <ext3grep>. With reiserfs, jfs, xfs, you're SooL. Some desktops (GNOME/KDE) offer a trash bin. See also <photorec>. |
| 09:11.08 | joltcan | fiacha: Unfortunately there are so many configurations that are possible with Vmware, so it's hard to know where to begin to look. |
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| 09:14.35 | fiacha | joltcan: ow.. yea i was hoping maybe someone know a common problem or so, but since i didn't find anything on google i guess it's not a common problem :( |
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| 09:16.01 | joltcan | fiacha: I would start at looking at the vmware config, to see if the NICs toward the debian machine is set to something slow |
| 09:16.39 | joltcan | fiacha: and from there I would look at just copying something from /dev/zero to /dev/null, in order to remove the storage from the troubleshooting |
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| 09:19.55 | OpenTokix | fiacha: Havfe you installed the linux guest-stuff in your debian? |
| 09:20.00 | fiacha | joltcan: yea.. unfortunatly i don't have full access to the vmware system... a while back it was even worse (100KB/s or so) and that was because the adapter type 'flexible' and when we changed it to E1000 (a i saw was default for windows servers that didn't have this problem) it worked well for a while.. untill today.. now everything is slow again :( |
| 09:20.04 | sepult | wtf, hash sums differ now ? |
| 09:21.16 | fiacha | OpenTokix: no... the vmware ones are just a binary blob thing getting hooked into the kernel.. so i didn't want to risk that.. but i guess i should try the open vm tools, i forgot about them until you mentioned it.. |
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| 09:22.21 | OpenTokix | fiacha: binary blobs is what you get when you use proprietary software and tools. |
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| 09:22.55 | fiacha | OpenTokix: yea... regarding vmware i din't have much choice :( |
| 09:23.33 | OpenTokix | fiacha: You always have a choice. - but fair enough. - I would start by installing the vmware-tools. |
| 09:23.39 | OpenTokix | fiacha: Do you have access to the host-machine? |
| 09:24.24 | fiacha | OpenTokix: no. not at all.. can't evenc hange virtual hardware config of the vmware guest myself |
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| 09:24.45 | OpenTokix | fiacha: ok, so you cant configure how the bridge is setup then |
| 09:25.10 | fiacha | OpenTokix: i complained to the people that do the administration but they only said it was my fault for using debain and i screwed something up :( |
| 09:25.11 | OpenTokix | fiacha: Maybe you are getting huge tcp packages that will be broken upp by the host and slow it down? |
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| 09:25.41 | OpenTokix | fiacha: I would also blame you if it was "troubleshoot your stuff vs. drinking coffee and watching youtube |
| 09:25.58 | fiacha | OpenTokix: yea maybe.. could i see this with tcpdump etc/ |
| 09:26.32 | santiago | hm i installed sysstat... it includes sar. i tried sar and: |
| 09:26.34 | santiago | # sar |
| 09:26.34 | santiago | Cannot open /var/log/sysstat/sa31: No such file or directory |
| 09:26.35 | OpenTokix | fiacha: Well, you can always make the allowed package slightly smaller and see if you gert any improvment. |
| 09:27.06 | fiacha | OpenTokix: yea... grrr.. but at least let me admin my own machines so i can try different virtual hardware profiles etc :( |
| 09:27.38 | santiago | should i just create that path? |
| 09:27.42 | fiacha | OpenTokix: oh, right with rsync options? |
| 09:27.54 | OpenTokix | sysctl |
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| 09:28.11 | OpenTokix | fiacha: I dont have all the details in my head right now. - You should google it |
| 09:28.44 | fiacha | OpenTokix: doing that, thanks for the help! :) |
| 09:29.08 | OpenTokix | np |
| 09:33.10 | santiago | my sar is fixed ;) |
| 09:33.29 | santiago | but some maintainer should take a look at sysstat package imho |
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| 09:33.48 | santiago | as sar will not work out of the box and error is very confusing |
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| 09:39.07 | slackerr | im lookinf for some kind of system monitor tools. a process monitor tool which will be watch for selected services and if service falls this cause restart |
| 09:39.52 | slackerr | found daemontools, but maybe something better somwhere are? |
| 09:40.27 | Bushmills | slackerr, monit |
| 09:42.04 | slackerr | Bushmills: looks nice.. and in debian repo too. thanks |
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| 09:49.38 | fiacha | joltcan: you said i might try to copy from /dev/zero to /dev/null to see if that is faster.. sorry i didn't find on google how to do this with rsync.. just rsync -aHv --progress /dev/zero /dev/null diesn't work.. how can i do this? |
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| 09:50.12 | joltcan | fiacha: use scp instead |
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| 09:50.37 | fiacha | joltcan: AH OK THANKS |
| 09:50.43 | M`vy | Copy from /dev/zero to /dev/null? |
| 09:50.51 | fiacha | joltcan: soory about caps.. :( |
| 09:51.19 | joltcan | fiacha: but I would rather use something else, like benchmark program |
| 09:51.32 | joltcan | fiacha: like iperf |
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| 09:52.11 | OpenTokix | M`vy: To try network thruput |
| 09:52.35 | joltcan | but it is actually stupid since scp will try and compress it |
| 09:52.36 | raboof | when i save a draft to an imap folder in icedove, i get 'Unable to save your message as draft', and in the console i get 'deliver mode: 4' |
| 09:52.40 | joltcan | so iperf is the better option |
| 09:52.40 | raboof | any clue what that means? |
| 09:52.54 | raboof | afaicr these settings worked fine before, and reading mail works great too |
| 09:53.01 | M`vy | ah ok |
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| 09:57.25 | alkisg | Hi, is it possible to use the debian installation CD as a partitioning tool, for the following case? The clients only have 64MB RAM, they have a fat or ntfs partition with ms windows on it, and I want to resize it to make room for a linux swap partition. Gparted won't work because 64mb ram is too little for it, and parted also won't work because it doesn't support ntfs... |
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| 09:58.43 | nkuttler | alkisg: i don't think the installer comes with resize tools. check the install guide. and just put the hd into a realcomputer :) |
| 09:59.33 | alkisg | nkuttler: Thanks. It's not for me, it's for teachers with not much of a technical expertise, so I'd like to find some easy way if I can. Otherwise I'll just propose them to do it with some windows freeware utility. |
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| 10:00.34 | fiacha | joltcan: ok wil try ipref, thanks for the help! |
| 10:00.48 | fiacha | *iperf* grr |
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| 10:01.40 | joltcan | fiacha: you could also do something like dd if=/dev/zero bs=2048 | ssh -c blowfish host dd of=/dev/null |
| 10:01.45 | joltcan | fiacha: and then abort it with ctrl+c |
| 10:01.54 | joltcan | fiacha: and it would show you the average performance |
| 10:01.59 | nkuttler | alkisg: if you consider using windows easier than using a screwdriver, more power to you! |
| 10:02.03 | joltcan | and no storage should be involved |
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| 10:03.01 | alkisg | nkuttler: heh, as I said, what I think doesn't matter. Those schools may not even have a newer PC with IDE available to connect the old drives to it. Anyway, I think that the installation guide says that it supports resizing, /me looks deeper... |
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| 10:03.55 | joltcan | alkisg: I think i remember resizing my gf's win partition when I did the installation there |
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| 10:04.20 | alkisg | Thank you joltcan, I'm downloading Lenny to test. As it says here, it should work: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch03s05.html.en#id2758913 |
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| 10:05.43 | icebrain | alkisg: I'd setup a small live distro with ntfsresize pre-installed and a script to run it automatically on-boot |
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| 10:06.11 | ndee | hi there, how can I read the wtmp log, so that I can see the whole hostname? |
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| 10:07.48 | alkisg | icebrain: hmmm yeah maybe it's better that way. It's for thin clients (LTSP), so I already have a minimal netbooted distro for them. It'll take me more time to write the script (than to just propose a live cd to the end users), but it'll be easier for them... |
| 10:07.52 | SOUL_OF_R00T | nice day to all... |
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| 10:11.09 | icebrain | alkisg: yeah, that was my thought. But take care, as the ntfsresize *doesn't* resize the partition itself, only the fs. You need to script some fdisk commands too |
| 10:12.25 | fiacha | joltcan: Thanks, i didn't know how to use dd :( |
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| 10:15.58 | fiacha | joltcan: iperf says 1.01Gbits/sec... guess it's not the nic |
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| 10:18.01 | mazzachre | So.. installing mysql from backports (need v5.1) should I still use pinning? And what package to pin? mysql or mysql-server or what? |
| 10:19.31 | fiacha | uhh but while i was testing rsync went up to 15MB/s yay so it's going to be done in an hour instead of 8.. man i hate VMware :( |
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| 10:24.06 | themill | mazzachre: read the instructions on backports.org (the very last bit) |
| 10:25.08 | SOUL_OF_R00T | anyone can tell me if deb64 for amd64 machhines in default setup put the system unddder multilib mode, thks... |
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| 10:27.51 | Backup | any ETA on gnome 3 on squeeze? |
| 10:28.10 | Bop | any kind soul would compile kernel 2.6.35-rc1 for me ? :D |
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| 10:29.49 | ham5 | just want the vmlinuz? or would I have to send everything? |
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| 10:30.34 | Bop | ham5, the deb package created make make-kpkg ? |
| 10:30.44 | ham5 | ahh |
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| 10:31.14 | ham5 | gimmie like 15min |
| 10:31.20 | Bop | i send you my .config |
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| 10:31.27 | ham5 | k |
| 10:31.31 | Bop | cause got optimizations for pentium Iv ? |
| 10:31.33 | Bop | ok ill wait |
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| 10:31.47 | Bop | let me know when u readu |
| 10:31.47 | ham5 | send .config dcc |
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| 10:31.55 | ham5 | take me 15 to compile thats all |
| 10:31.55 | Bop | hmm cant use dcc |
| 10:31.56 | blackthor | hello. i have a software raid (in mirror), which has a faulty drive. the system hung. i have identified the bad drive, when booting from (only) the good one it appears i lost 2 days of data. is software raid that unreliable ? |
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| 10:32.06 | Bop | ham5, ill upload it somewhere |
| 10:32.08 | Bop | 1 moment |
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| 10:32.18 | themill | Backup: you mean the unreleased gnome 3? It's a little hard for squeeze to include thigns that don't exist yet. |
| 10:32.21 | Bop | k |
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| 10:32.36 | mazzachre | themill, I don't want all packages from backports... only mysql ones (currently) |
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| 10:32.57 | themill | mazzachre: that's precisely what those instructions tell you how to do |
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| 10:37.29 | SOUL_OF_R00T | anyone can tell me if exists one program like premiere under debian? |
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| 10:40.41 | blackthor | SOUL_OF_R00T: what about vlmc ? |
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| 10:41.25 | blackthor | it is still a bit young ( and i've never used it ) |
| 10:41.43 | zitter | is there a command line utility to generate UML diagram starting from XMI file? |
| 10:43.15 | blackthor | zitter: perhaps Umbrello |
| 10:43.17 | blackthor | not sure though |
| 10:43.50 | pasky | SOUL_OF_R00T: you can also try kino |
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| 10:44.14 | pasky | SOUL_OF_R00T: the ultimate one is _probably_ still cinderella, but it used to be a bit user-unfriendly |
| 10:44.41 | Bop | can a 64 debian compile a 32 bit kernel to work in a 32 bit machine ? |
| 10:45.17 | SOUL_OF_R00T | thks... |
| 10:45.18 | RichiH | is there a sane way to find out on what specific package version a particular package in backports is built? |
| 10:45.44 | RichiH | to be specific, lenny-backports seem to be affected by http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=576925 |
| 10:45.44 | blackthor | Bop: try -m32 |
| 10:45.54 | Bop | hmm |
| 10:46.00 | Bop | in make-mkpkg ? |
| 10:46.28 | zitter | umbrello uses QT |
| 10:46.52 | blackthor | Bop: perhaps using export CFLAGS=-m32 or sth like that |
| 10:47.08 | Bop | ok ok |
| 10:47.46 | blackthor | does anybody have any experience with a crashed software raid1 ? |
| 10:48.25 | blackthor | booting it from the non-screwed drive, takes me 2 days back in data compared to the last time i used it |
| 10:48.44 | blackthor | that doesn't seem the desired effect for a raid-1 |
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| 10:50.14 | themill | RichiH: rmadison or judd can tell you that. /msg judd versions linux-base |
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| 10:50.45 | themill | RichiH: and yes, bpo is known to be affected by this. AIUI, you should use the bpo.3 kernel rather than the bpo.4 kernel. |
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| 10:52.26 | gernot | Hi. I have a LUKS/LVM squeeze installation on my laptop. After a recent update my keyboard won't work in the LUKS passphrase screen. It works in Grub and then later again, but for the passphrase I have to plug in a USB keyboard. Does somebody know something about this? |
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| 10:53.54 | RichiH | themill: hmm, ok |
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| 10:54.12 | RichiH | will try to fix his half-done installation, then |
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| 10:57.22 | omid8bimo | :D what's goin' on here?!! |
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| 10:59.39 | Bop | any kind soul with a 32bit machine would compile kernel 2.6.35-rc1 for me ? :D |
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| 11:01.01 | OpenTokix | Bop: Can't you crosscompile? |
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| 11:01.33 | Bop | OpenTokix, i dont have 64 bits |
| 11:01.43 | Bop | i cant compile , errors |
| 11:02.01 | _zed | Hi |
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| 11:02.24 | _zed | Is there a standard way of removing triggers from package? |
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| 11:03.46 | _zed | I mean debian/triggers file. Once it installed into target system, it's impossible to remove it without dpkg -P. |
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| 11:05.25 | blackthor | nobody ever had some problems with software raid 1 ? |
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| 11:06.29 | rtubio | good night |
| 11:06.51 | rtubio | i have a problem while installing debian from an USB disk |
| 11:07.04 | rtubio | the installer mounts all partitions in order to seek for the .iso image file |
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| 11:07.23 | rtubio | so that when I try to partition disks to install debian system itself |
| 11:07.23 | wols | did you use unetbootin? |
| 11:07.24 | jelly | blackthor: your mirror might have already been desynced before the drive failed |
| 11:07.33 | rtubio | those partitions are mounted |
| 11:07.43 | rtubio | and the installer cannot "write the changes to disk" |
| 11:07.44 | rtubio | no |
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| 11:07.50 | rtubio | I made the USB by myself |
| 11:07.54 | jelly | blackthor: inspect /var/log/kern.log and mails you got from from mdadm |
| 11:07.55 | wols | !enter |
| 11:07.55 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 11:07.55 | rtubio | following the instructions at |
| 11:08.10 | rtubio | http://inforux.wordpress.com/2009/01/08/756/ |
| 11:08.22 | rtubio | and at |
| 11:08.23 | rtubio | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03.html.es#id3065136 |
| 11:08.34 | rtubio | basically, i followed the next steps |
| 11:08.39 | wols | then unmount the partition(s) you don't need before it tries to redo the filesystem |
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| 11:08.46 | rtubio | but I can't |
| 11:08.50 | wols | why not? |
| 11:09.04 | themill | rtubio: as dpkg just said, please construct your question in one line. It makes it really hard to follow what you're saying when you hit enter after every 4 words. |
| 11:09.05 | rtubio | there is no way to launch a console with ALT+Fx |
| 11:09.16 | wols | press ctrl+alt+f2 and you have a console |
| 11:09.26 | rtubio | ok, thanks, sorry, i did not realize |
| 11:09.41 | rtubio | wols: it does not work |
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| 11:10.20 | wols | which installer? |
| 11:10.30 | rtubio | i also launch a console from the menu options "Execute a shell", but there "mount" does not show the partitions mounted |
| 11:10.41 | rtubio | the installer is squeeze-i386 |
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| 11:10.50 | wols | use debian stable |
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| 11:11.40 | rtubio | wols: do you mean to use the installer from "lenny" for installing "squeeze"; I mean, should I try to use lenny's installer and squeeze's .iso? |
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| 11:12.08 | wols | no I mean you are supposed to use lenny's installer and lenny's ISO (which are one and the same) |
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| 11:12.34 | degato | try to install lenny and upgrade to squeeze. Sqeeze installer may not work correctly |
| 11:12.47 | wols | please skip the upgrading |
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| 11:13.23 | rtubio | why? I mean, I do need to install squeeze since I need the updated drivers for my graphic card; intel integrated |
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| 11:15.13 | degato | You can use unstable/testing packages with lenny |
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| 11:15.50 | rtubio | yes, but it is a lot more work! I would prefer to install squeeze directly..... :) |
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| 11:16.12 | degato | that's problem :P |
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| 11:16.20 | wols | rtubio: you are mistaken |
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| 11:16.36 | themill | dpkg: tell degato about bobbitt |
| 11:16.58 | rtubio | wols: why? |
| 11:17.09 | wols | cause it's not more work |
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| 11:20.16 | rtubio | ok, maybe there's still another way: i'll try to use the installer from an .iso file instead of using the hd-media one... |
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| 11:27.56 | djura-san | o/ |
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| 11:31.15 | degato | my fail.. sorry :P |
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| 11:32.50 | niklaswe | will apt-get both search ing backports and stable repo? |
| 11:33.01 | themill | yes |
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| 11:33.18 | themill | (apt-cache search, btw) |
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| 11:35.09 | niklaswe | themill: ty for the help |
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| 12:00.03 | bugger | hi all - is this the appropiate place to talk about debian multimedia repository packages? |
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| 12:00.21 | Bop | any kind soul with a 32bit machine would compile kernel 2.6.35-rc1 for me ? :D |
| 12:00.37 | bugger | anyone know if the mythtv packages have multirec built in? |
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| 12:01.41 | g00se | I can't seem to delete a file and cannot for the life of me see why not: http://paste.ubuntu.com/442240/ |
| 12:01.52 | ham5 | why not fix the errors YOU have bop? |
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| 12:02.16 | Bop | ham5, memory errors , i think , dimms are not healthty |
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| 12:02.33 | ham5 | ummm |
| 12:02.35 | ham5 | ok |
| 12:03.04 | ham5 | must of did a memory test ... thats why you think? |
| 12:03.34 | Bop | yes , memtest86+ results |
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| 12:08.55 | wols | how does a 32bit kernel help with defective hardware? |
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| 12:15.36 | jelly | Bop: where's your .config? |
| 12:15.57 | Bop | wait |
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| 12:16.22 | Bop | jelly, here -> http://www38.zippyshare.com/v/58197089/file.html |
| 12:16.39 | Bop | will u do it ? |
| 12:17.22 | jelly | I'll start it but don't promist anything |
| 12:17.36 | Bop | wols, it wont help , its not because it can ... its just i found 2.6.30 kernel with some latency on Desktop ... just trying something else |
| 12:17.53 | jelly | Bop: what's yout real issue? |
| 12:18.01 | Bop | latency |
| 12:18.11 | jelly | what sort of latency? |
| 12:18.32 | Bop | well, i think it could be a little bit faster |
| 12:18.43 | jelly | what could be a little bit faster? |
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| 12:19.14 | Bop | moving from app to app |
| 12:20.12 | jelly | switching between X11 applications? That's more of a window manager issue |
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| 12:20.27 | jelly | Bop: which debian release are you using? |
| 12:20.32 | Bop | lenny |
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| 12:20.50 | jelly | and which wm (or, desktop environment)? |
| 12:21.17 | ham5 | lol and you got memory problems? |
| 12:21.29 | ham5 | 'defective hardware' |
| 12:21.30 | Bop | xfce4 |
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| 12:22.46 | Bop | i have a 3 day uptime , and things start to get slow |
| 12:23.00 | wols | ham5: maybe by not having any (memory) |
| 12:23.33 | Bop | it wont cost much to try a new kernel |
| 12:23.43 | jelly | Bop: have you investigated memory usage of your processes running? |
| 12:23.46 | Bop | yes |
| 12:23.52 | Bop | under 10% |
| 12:24.08 | jelly | Bop: is there any difference between a started dekstop and 3 days later? |
| 12:24.17 | Bop | jelly, ask devs |
| 12:24.18 | Bop | :D |
| 12:24.35 | Bop | thoericaly , it shouldnt |
| 12:24.47 | jelly | you're not arguing your case there, and I still haven't allocated resources to build your kernel |
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| 12:25.09 | jelly | Bop: xfce has had its share of memotry leaks in the past |
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| 12:25.30 | Bop | yeah , should be that :-| |
| 12:25.50 | icebrain | !lxde |
| 12:25.51 | dpkg | [lxde] Lightweight X11 Desktop Environment, available for Debian since Lenny. To get LXDE, ask me about <install lxde>. http://wiki.lxde.org/en/LXDE:Questions http://www.lxde.org/ #lxde on irc.oftc.net. |
| 12:25.56 | Bop | but could be a kernel thing , jelly |
| 12:26.16 | Bop | i've seen ubuntu with a 2 seconds lag under 2.6.32 ( latest ) |
| 12:26.21 | Bop | 2.6.33 is hell fast |
| 12:26.25 | Bop | only changed kernel |
| 12:26.32 | Bop | its unusuable |
| 12:27.00 | jelly | Bop: but you're not running 2.6.32, you're running whatever `uname -r` says you're running |
| 12:27.08 | jelly | 2.6.26-* in lenny by default |
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| 12:27.25 | Bop | yes , just throwing up an example , why i would want to try other kernel |
| 12:28.05 | Bop | 2.6.26 wont support my wifi card |
| 12:28.24 | Bop | needed to use 2.6.30 , cause 2.6.32 locks every 15 minutes |
| 12:28.37 | Bop | hell of problems !!! |
| 12:29.02 | jelly | your approach is rather unusual. I'd first inspect unusual disk i/o (swap usage?) and look for obvious memory leaks before touching the kernel |
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| 12:29.28 | Bop | well , i didnt change nothing from stock lenny |
| 12:29.35 | Bop | isntalation haves 1 month |
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| 12:30.17 | Bop | it means u wont compile it ? :| |
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| 12:30.21 | jelly | Bop: pastebin a screenshot of "top" running, press 'M' (uppercase!) to sort by RES |
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| 12:30.36 | Bop | ok wait |
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| 12:30.47 | Bop | im recompiling kernel to check if it errors on same spot |
| 12:32.37 | Bop | brb |
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| 12:34.12 | andyd | Any idea when these fixed Apache2::Request packages will be moved into Squeeze ? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=573062#118 |
| 12:35.19 | jelly | !why is libapreq2 not in testing |
| 12:35.19 | dpkg | libapreq2 is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=libapreq2 |
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| 12:35.26 | jelly | andyd: ^^ |
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| 12:36.50 | andyd | err, it says it's the same version in testing (2.12-2), but the latest version i am being served from ftp.uk.debian.org is 2.12-1.. am i doing something wrong ? |
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| 12:39.04 | icebrain | well, accessing ftp://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/pool/main/liba/libapreq2/ directly shows the right debs... |
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| 12:41.40 | themill | andyd: what architecture? |
| 12:41.44 | Bop | jelly, http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/1958/65051523.jpg |
| 12:41.46 | andyd | amd64 |
| 12:42.26 | themill | andyd: have you ran an "aptitude update" recently? |
| 12:42.55 | icebrain | Xorg using 104MB? Is that normal? |
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| 12:43.58 | andyd | themill: brain is hard wired to use apt-get, but 0 packages to update after an apt-get update or aptitude update |
| 12:43.59 | aburch | andyd: Wait some time until mirrors are updated. It looks like it migrated very recently (not even http://packages.qa.debian.org/liba/libapreq2.html has the message about it). |
| 12:44.20 | andyd | ok, thank you for your help. |
| 12:44.39 | themill | andyd: the ftp.uk mirror missed the last two mirror pulses too which doesn't help this. Try again later today or tomorrow and it should be sorted. |
| 12:44.52 | andyd | i can swap mirrors to solve my impatience too. :-) |
| 12:44.55 | themill | andyd: or just install the sid package... |
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| 12:49.44 | sotmg | Do I need to be in some group to be able to debug a program with anjuta? because I get: error,msg="Unable to read memory." |
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| 12:50.26 | sotmg | I looked at the avialable groups and non of them was anything near Debuggers |
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| 12:56.20 | jelly | Bop: looks reasonable. Is it sluggish right now? |
| 12:56.45 | Bop | not really |
| 12:57.18 | Bop | i've also added "raise on focus" to max speed |
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| 12:57.47 | jelly | Bop: if you have compositing enabled (somewhere in xfce4 settings manager -> desktop tweaks)? Disable that as well |
| 12:58.11 | Bop | i've tried it as i have a fast GPU , but it fails to show icons when i alt - tab |
| 12:58.18 | Bop | so , its disabled, yeah |
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| 12:59.56 | wols | sotmg: the debugger itself needs to have root priviledges (hard to set breakpoints, read other processes memory and so on otherwise) |
| 13:00.27 | sotmg | i see |
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| 13:01.10 | manhunter | hi |
| 13:01.34 | manhunter | does the first debian squeeze include openoffice.org |
| 13:01.36 | manhunter | ? |
| 13:01.49 | manhunter | debian testing iso , first cd |
| 13:02.03 | manhunter | anybody here ?? |
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| 13:02.26 | sotmg | i used netinst, so i dont know. |
| 13:02.35 | Bop | jelly, will u try to compile it ? |
| 13:02.44 | manhunter | who knows? |
| 13:03.03 | Bop | jelly, also , i would like to have a kernel with pentium IV optimizations , as asked on .config |
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| 13:03.07 | g00se | I can't seem to delete a file and cannot for the life of me see why not: http://paste.ubuntu.com/442240/ |
| 13:03.11 | manhunter | themill: hi |
| 13:03.16 | Bop | dont know it it really speeds up things ... |
| 13:03.56 | Bop | g00se, try sudo rm ... |
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| 13:05.36 | manhunter | does the first debian testing iso /squeeze include openoffice.org? |
| 13:05.36 | wols | !tell manhunter about cd content |
| 13:05.40 | jelly | Bop: I'm using that .config as-is |
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| 13:05.53 | Bop | jelly, yes , its included |
| 13:06.07 | trupheenix | i did a dist-upgrade from lenny to sid |
| 13:06.10 | trupheenix | i'm facing problems |
| 13:06.15 | Bop | jelly, u already compiling it ? |
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| 13:06.19 | trupheenix | first my udev update didnt happen |
| 13:06.23 | trupheenix | now i can't seem to start x |
| 13:06.30 | trupheenix | help anyone? |
| 13:06.38 | jelly | Bop: yes. Can you pastebin where it breaks for you? |
| 13:06.45 | Bop | jelly, ok , moment |
| 13:06.59 | wols | trupheenix: yes. reinstall stable |
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| 13:07.06 | Bop | jelly, ops , i closed that window :| if its important i can retry |
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| 13:07.09 | trupheenix | wols HOW? |
| 13:07.18 | tbsaunde | trupheenix: if this what I think it is upgrade your kernel then udev then everything else |
| 13:07.28 | wols | trupheenix: by putting a debian stable installer cd into your optical drive |
| 13:07.30 | jelly | Bop: this is being built on squeeze; I'm not sure you'll be able to build nonfree modules out of it if needed |
| 13:07.50 | trupheenix | tbsaunde, how do i upgrade the kernel now? apt doesn't mention anything about kernel requiring upgrade |
| 13:07.51 | wols | tbsaunde: he already has upgraded "everything else" :) |
| 13:07.58 | Bop | jelly, it wont generate linux-headers packate also ? |
| 13:08.11 | wols | trupheenix: it did. when you first saw the error when upgrading |
| 13:08.19 | wols | !tell trupheenix about udev squeeze |
| 13:08.25 | jelly | Bop: sure it will, but it uses different gcc version than lenny |
| 13:08.32 | Bop | oh yeah ... |
| 13:08.41 | manhunter | wols: how to search ? i searched openoffice ,no result |
| 13:08.53 | wols | ,versions openoffice.org |
| 13:08.55 | judd | openoffice.org -- etch: 2.0.4.dfsg.2-7etch9; etch-security: 2.0.4.dfsg.2-7etch9; etch-backports: 1:2.4.1-12~bpo40+1; lenny: 1:2.4.1+dfsg-1+lenny3; lenny-security: 1:2.4.1+dfsg-1+lenny6; squeeze-security: 1:3.1.1-15+squeeze1; lenny-backports: 1:3.2.0-4~bpo50+1; squeeze: 1:3.2.0-9; sid: 1:3.2.0-10; experimental: 1:3.2.1~rc2-1 |
| 13:09.17 | jelly | Bop: If it doesn't always break in the same place, most likely your hardware is faulty |
| 13:09.19 | manhunter | wols: http://atterer.net/jigdo/jigdo-search.php?q=openoffice.org |
| 13:09.23 | trupheenix | wols no i have 2.6.26 not 27 |
| 13:09.30 | trupheenix | i just checked my grub |
| 13:09.34 | Bop | jelly, yeah , memory , i guess |
| 13:09.39 | trupheenix | s |
| 13:09.47 | trupheenix | wols 2.26-2 |
| 13:09.52 | jelly | Bop: no kernel will help there |
| 13:10.04 | tbsaunde | trupheenix: well get something newer :) |
| 13:10.10 | Bop | jelly, yeah , im waiting for new dimms , but talking ages to arrive :s |
| 13:10.20 | Bop | ebay buying |
| 13:10.21 | Bop | :D |
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| 13:10.27 | wols | trupheenix: read more carefully. and if you have that much of a problem to understand debian packaging, unstable is not usable by you |
| 13:10.28 | manhunter | wols: does debian testing first iso contain openoffice.org ? |
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| 13:10.43 | trupheenix | wols, i just want to build the latest version of webkit |
| 13:10.49 | manhunter | wols: debian testing first iso cd |
| 13:10.57 | trupheenix | wols, the glib on lenny is outdated |
| 13:11.09 | trupheenix | wols, so i tried using sid repositories |
| 13:11.10 | Bop | jelly, did u use --initrd option ? |
| 13:11.18 | trupheenix | tbsaunde, how do i get it? |
| 13:11.20 | wols | trupheenix: why do you need a newer glib? |
| 13:11.36 | tbsaunde | == wols |
| 13:11.41 | wols | manhunter: check yourself http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/squeeze_di_alpha1/i386/jigdo-cd/ |
| 13:11.47 | trupheenix | wols, because the latest version of WebKit demands it |
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| 13:12.36 | tbsaunde | trupheenix: apt-get install -f kernel or get a deb and dpkg -i --force-all it, or build one? |
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| 13:12.51 | jelly | Bop: yes |
| 13:12.54 | Bop | ok ok |
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| 13:13.33 | trupheenix | tbsaunde, ok |
| 13:13.34 | tbsaunde | trupheenix: just installing newer glib would probably be a better plan, or just install a slightly older webkit? |
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| 13:14.03 | trupheenix | tbsaunde, can't use older one. it's way too ahead now |
| 13:14.14 | trupheenix | tbsaunde, the oldest one i have is 6 months old |
| 13:14.21 | trupheenix | tbsaunde, things have moved ahead since then |
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| 13:14.40 | manhunter | wols: i'm downloading debian-testing-i386-CD-1.template |
| 13:15.02 | wols | manhunter: I wouldn't bother. I tired, no good |
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| 13:15.13 | tbsaunde | trupheenix: so, whats the problem with that? |
| 13:15.28 | trupheenix | tbsaunde, lots of optimizations. |
| 13:15.37 | wols | ,versions libglib2.0 |
| 13:15.39 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'libglib2.0' was found. |
| 13:15.39 | trupheenix | tbsaunde, for which the newer glib is used |
| 13:15.47 | wols | ,versions libglib2.0-0 |
| 13:15.49 | judd | libglib2.0-0 -- etch: 2.12.4-2+etch1; etch-security: 2.12.4-2+etch1; lenny-security: 2.16.6-1+lenny1; lenny: 2.16.6-3; lenny-backports: 2.22.4-1~bpo50+1; sid: 2.24.1-1; squeeze: 2.24.1-1; experimental: 2.25.6-1 |
| 13:16.16 | wols | trupheenix: so 2.22 of lglib2 is not good enough? |
| 13:16.20 | trupheenix | wols i require above 2.21 |
| 13:16.29 | wols | yes. and 2.22 is available. for lenny |
| 13:16.40 | trupheenix | wols but it wasn't showing up :( |
| 13:16.49 | wols | yes, cause you didn't search |
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| 13:17.01 | wols | !tell trupheenix about backports |
| 13:17.04 | wols | !tell trupheenix about ssb |
| 13:17.19 | trupheenix | wols, ok so now how do i rescue my system? i reinstall lenny from thumb drive? |
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| 13:18.04 | tbsaunde | trupheenix: that's the easiest probably |
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| 13:18.27 | trupheenix | tbsaunde, can i install the latest ubuntu instead maybe? |
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| 13:18.53 | trupheenix | tbsaunde, nah bad idea |
| 13:19.04 | smhar | greetings |
| 13:19.04 | wols | thinks it's a great idea |
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| 13:19.44 | tbsaunde | trupheenix: don't see why not |
| 13:19.49 | trupheenix | wols i also plan to cross compile packages using emdebian |
| 13:19.52 | ondrejk | hi, im trying to set up user limits but i dont have luck, pam_limits are enabled, i've added proper entry into /etc/security/limits.conf but it wont work .. |
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| 13:19.54 | trupheenix | wols, so debian is better for me |
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| 13:20.07 | trupheenix | wols, emdebian breaks on Ubuntu |
| 13:20.10 | smhar | When 'apt-get update'ing my squeeze system, I sometimes get the following error: http://security.debian.org squeeze/updates Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 9AA38DCD55BE302B Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (5.0/lenny) <ftpmaster@debian.org> |
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| 13:20.29 | trupheenix | wols, or maybe i could chroot an debian lenny on ubuntu and use emdebian inside it? |
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| 13:20.42 | wols | yes you can create a debian chroot |
| 13:20.52 | wols | by using debootstrap |
| 13:21.29 | trupheenix | wols, so then i can experiment with emdebian in it right? |
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| 13:21.56 | trupheenix | yay |
| 13:21.58 | wols | probably |
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| 13:23.07 | andyd | Thanks for your help earlier all, particularly themill - the US mirror has the files I needed, so I am going back to some perl. |
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| 13:23.47 | flo` | what's the cleanest way to install opencv version 2 on a lenny system? |
| 13:23.59 | flo` | i couldn't find it in the backports :( |
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| 13:24.10 | flo` | can i simply install the squeeze or sid packages? |
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| 13:24.20 | flo` | or will that break my system? |
| 13:24.23 | trupheenix | wht the hell was that? |
| 13:24.39 | trupheenix | ResHacker |
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| 13:25.49 | themill | dpkg: tell flo` about ssb |
| 13:26.03 | themill | flo`: it looks like a nice simple backport, that one |
| 13:26.48 | flo` | themill, there's no backport, is there? |
| 13:27.02 | themill | flo`: make your own in the way dpkg just described. |
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| 13:27.15 | |Frederik | Where exactly do I configure kernel boot parameters which should be added by default to grub2 for all newly installed kernels? |
| 13:27.31 | flo` | ok... is that way clean? |
| 13:27.43 | flo` | or does it also have some hassle with it? |
| 13:27.43 | jelly | Bop: care to pastebin where your build breaks? |
| 13:28.10 | themill | flo`: it's no different to grabbing something from backports.org except that it might be less tested... It's at least compatible with your package management system |
| 13:28.19 | Bop | jelly, ok wait, i need to retry it |
| 13:28.23 | Bop | jelly, did it failed ? |
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| 13:28.38 | Bop | jelly, something about eventd |
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| 13:28.56 | flo` | okay... so, this is the usual ./configure && make && make install, only in a way apt knows about? |
| 13:29.02 | manhunter | wols: i have downloaded debian-testing-i386-CD-1.template ,now what would i do with this? |
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| 13:29.41 | Bop | flo`, apt does not know nothing about those manual installs |
| 13:31.03 | |Frederik | answering myself: /etc/default/grub |
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| 13:32.33 | trupheenix | tbsaunde, i'm too lazy to reinstall i think i will try out sid |
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| 13:33.08 | tbsaunde | trupheenix: have fun :) |
| 13:33.41 | trupheenix | tbsaunde, so how do i upgrade my kernel now? i'm looking for linux-image right? |
| 13:33.42 | themill | flo`: sort of. It's recompiling the debian squeeze or sid package for the current stable distribution |
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| 13:39.37 | tbsaunde | trupheenix: as I said above, apt-get -f install kernel will probably work, not sure where exactly you are |
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| 13:40.05 | trupheenix | tbsaunde, apt-get -f kernel doesn't work. i'm on lenny |
| 13:40.16 | trupheenix | tbsaunde, so i'm looking for linux-image |
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| 13:41.03 | tbsaunde | trupheenix: thought you said you upgraded stuff? |
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| 13:41.37 | wols | tbsaunde: he currently has a broken apt |
| 13:41.51 | tbsaunde | wols: ok |
| 13:42.08 | trupheenix | wols, it's not exactly broken |
| 13:42.13 | trupheenix | wols, i could fix it |
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| 13:42.30 | wols | not with apt |
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| 13:42.33 | tbsaunde | wols: thought he just showed up a few ago |
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| 13:42.39 | wols | at least not in a sensible way |
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| 13:43.30 | wols | manhunter: < wols> manhunter: I wouldn't bother. I tired, no good |
| 13:43.40 | wols | *rried rather |
| 13:43.47 | tbsaunde | trupheenix: does dpkg -i work? if not you 8really* want to reinstall, unless you really want to compile a kernel |
| 13:44.05 | trupheenix | probably |
| 13:44.29 | wols | < trupheenix> wols, i could fix it <- then I suggest you do |
| 13:44.35 | trupheenix | tbsaunde, yes dpkg -i works |
| 13:44.40 | jelly | Bop: 2.6.35-rc1 built here. Would be nice to see where the build breaks on your machine. |
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| 13:45.00 | Bop | jelly, posting |
| 13:45.22 | Bop | jelly, http://www.bpaste.net/show/6784/ |
| 13:45.29 | tbsaunde | trupheenix: so download a kernel deb and dpkg -i it |
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| 13:45.53 | trupheenix | tbsaunde, link? i would wget it maybe? |
| 13:46.38 | jelly | Bop: what's the exact command you ran? |
| 13:47.04 | Bop | jelly, make-kpkg --initrd --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image |
| 13:47.40 | jelly | eh, weird. This was make-kpkg -j3 --rootcmd fakeroot --revision bop.0 --initrd kernel_image kernel_headers, so not really different |
| 13:47.40 | tbsaunde | trupheenix: not right here, w3m || links2 || elinks |
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| 13:48.03 | Bop | jelly, -j3 does what ? |
| 13:49.09 | Bop | ill try that one |
| 13:49.27 | trupheenix | tbsaunde, hmmm |
| 13:49.29 | Bop | unknown -j3 |
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| 13:50.24 | jelly | Bop: newer make-kpkg, sets CONCURRENCY_LEVEL (in essence, passes -jN to make whne building kernel) |
| 13:50.37 | jelly | not important |
| 13:50.45 | Bop | it wont detect that parameter here |
| 13:50.54 | Bop | old version ? |
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| 13:51.46 | jelly | yes. You can set that environment variable ^^ instead |
| 13:51.52 | jelly | Bop: http://fly.srk.fer.hr/~jelly/kernel/ |
| 13:52.26 | JyZyXEL | what is that |
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| 13:53.40 | Bop | jelly, download done ,u can remove it |
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| 13:54.07 | jelly | sure! |
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| 13:54.39 | jelly | I doubt changing the kernel will help, though |
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| 13:56.04 | Bop | jelly, linux-headers-2.6.35-rc1 depends on libncursesw5 (>= 5.7+20100313); however: |
| 13:56.17 | Bop | u know what kind of configure does it need to do on linux-headers ? |
| 13:56.23 | Bop | cause the files are there |
| 13:56.35 | Bop | just failed to run configuration |
| 13:56.38 | jelly | Bop: funky. I feared something like that might happen |
| 13:56.47 | Bop | kernel-image is ok ! |
| 13:56.49 | Bop | installed |
| 13:56.54 | jelly | judd: versions libncursesw5 |
| 13:56.56 | judd | libncursesw5 -- etch: 5.5-5; lenny: 5.7+20081213-1; sid: 5.7+20100313-2; squeeze: 5.7+20100313-2 |
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| 13:57.26 | Bop | well |
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| 13:57.32 | Bop | ill just try to boot it |
| 13:57.34 | Bop | brb |
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| 14:00.20 | trupheenix | :( looks like there is no way for me to fix this :'( |
| 14:00.23 | trupheenix | :'( :'( |
| 14:00.39 | trupheenix | completely broken system #fail me |
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| 14:01.04 | jelly | !comfort trupheenix |
| 14:01.04 | dpkg | There, there, trupheenix. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 14:01.21 | tbsaunde | trupheenix: what happened? |
| 14:01.51 | themill | would like to see real commands and output in a pastebin not crap like "apt-get install kernel didn't work" |
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| 14:03.09 | trupheenix | tbsaunde, totally broken. i think i have to reinstall |
| 14:03.21 | Bushmills | maybe it was the real command, and that's why it didn't "work" :) |
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| 14:04.50 | tbsaunde | trupheenix: that is just a rough description, not an acutal problem |
| 14:04.57 | trupheenix | well i gives up... my bad i completely broken apt. if i could upgrade the kernel then it would be fine |
| 14:05.26 | tbsaunde | trupheenix: thats probably not an entirely bad plan |
| 14:05.42 | deed02392 | Is it good practice to keep the timezone relative to the administrator or the locale of the server? I manage two servers, one in Canada and another in France |
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| 14:05.51 | trupheenix | tbsaunde, but can't find any place to get a kernel |
| 14:06.03 | ethanol | deed02392: server locale |
| 14:06.09 | ethanol | deed02392: or gmt |
| 14:06.14 | themill | trupheenix: unless you tell us *exactly* what you have tried or *exactly* how it didn't work, we can't help you. |
| 14:06.14 | rozie | hello |
| 14:06.19 | ethanol | and use offsets in applications |
| 14:06.23 | trupheenix | themill ok |
| 14:06.32 | deed02392 | Is there a reason for that ethanol? |
| 14:06.39 | trupheenix | themill i have broken my system while doing a apt-get -u dist-upgrade |
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| 14:07.05 | rozie | I have a little problem with PSI - I have GPG options grayed out |
| 14:07.14 | rozie | do you know any way to enable it? |
| 14:07.17 | ethanol | deed02392: well I always go with local timezone for server |
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| 14:07.30 | trupheenix | themill, i wanted to upgrade glibc so i thought this was the easiest way |
| 14:07.36 | deed02392 | ethanol, ok sounds good. The Canada server is a VPS and the UTC on it is wrong, so i'm getting big problems at the moment |
| 14:07.39 | trupheenix | themill, now i have a conflict with udev |
| 14:07.56 | trupheenix | themill, udev will not work on my kernel 2.6.26 it wants a newer one |
| 14:08.00 | ethanol | deed02392: aptitude install openntpd |
| 14:08.08 | trupheenix | themill, but apt has not upgraded my kernel |
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| 14:08.15 | ethanol | deed02392: and pick some servers nearby from www.pool.ntp.org |
| 14:08.22 | trupheenix | themill, if i could upgrade my kernel this problem might be solved? |
| 14:08.36 | trupheenix | themill, otherwise it appears i will have to install my system from scratch? |
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| 14:09.18 | ethanol | trupheenix: I think you can also downgrade packages? |
| 14:09.27 | ethanol | trupheenix: but installing a newer kernel might be easier |
| 14:09.32 | deed02392 | yeah someone else suggested that yesterday, I'll have to see if that will work on the VPS as I can't change the system clock by any method I've found online, apparently the host has to do it on an OpenVZ set up |
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| 14:09.44 | Bop | jelly, fails :| unable to mount root on unknown block (0,0) |
| 14:09.45 | trupheenix | ethanol, got any tips on how to do that? i could get the sources and manually do it ? |
| 14:09.45 | deed02392 | Anyway cheers for your help ethanol I'm off for the time-(ha)-being, |
| 14:09.58 | themill | trupheenix: precisely what error message do you receive from "aptitude -f install". Please use a pastebin. |
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| 14:10.13 | CaT[t2] | anyone know why mount --bind would say 'no such file or directory' when both the old dir and the mountpoint exist? |
| 14:10.16 | ethanol | trupheenix: ehm, just get it from default apt sources, or backports if you need an even newer one? |
| 14:10.20 | themill | trupheenix: is this a local machine or a remote machine? |
| 14:10.37 | trupheenix | themill, it's my laptop. right now i m talking to u from my workstation |
| 14:10.45 | ethanol | deed02392: ah I see, not sure if you can change system time in that case. talk to your host indeed. |
| 14:10.54 | trupheenix | themill, i can't paste exact message |
| 14:11.16 | trupheenix | themill, but i can tell u that it's a udev conflict between udev in lenny and udev in sid. |
| 14:11.25 | ethanol | trupheenix: just redirect output into a tmp file and post that using lynx to some pastebin |
| 14:11.38 | themill | trupheenix: I know the message. Please read the message very carefully. |
| 14:11.38 | trupheenix | ethanol, no lynx on the system |
| 14:11.40 | ethanol | (assuming you are working from cli) |
| 14:11.44 | ethanol | aptitude install lynx ? |
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| 14:12.01 | themill | ethanol: apt isn't going to install anything until it configures udev which it cannot do. |
| 14:12.16 | ethanol | oh, I see. I had that once |
| 14:12.35 | trupheenix | themill, ok gimme a minute i read message and type it out exactly :) |
| 14:13.01 | themill | trupheenix: I don't need you to type it out. I need you to read it. |
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| 14:13.32 | trupheenix | themill, it says that this version of udev will not work with my kernel and it conflicts with the existing udev |
| 14:13.53 | trupheenix | themill, i could force install it but it's not a good idea. |
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| 14:14.02 | trupheenix | themill, advises me to upgrade the kernel |
| 14:14.25 | themill | trupheenix: you've already downloaded the kernel .deb at this stage, haven't you? |
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| 14:14.37 | trupheenix | themill, no i don't know where to get one from |
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| 14:16.50 | tbsaunde | trupheenix: actually, apt probably has downloaed one already, ls /var/cache/apt/archives/linux-image* |
| 14:17.14 | themill | probably not. If it had downloaded it, it most likely wouldn't have crashed like this |
| 14:17.41 | trupheenix | tbsaunde, yes it's there! :) |
| 14:17.57 | themill | trupheenix: what version? |
| 14:19.20 | trupheenix | themill, 2.6.32 |
| 14:19.23 | tbsaunde | themill: the last bug I saw related to this was that it just wasn't installed on the same dpkg run was all that the problem was |
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| 14:20.29 | themill | tbsaunde: that occasionally happens as we see here, but more often, it's just never going to be installed at all |
| 14:21.09 | trupheenix | ok so i just use dpkg -i and install it right? |
| 14:21.19 | trupheenix | and hopefully i'm out of the woods?! *cross my fingers |
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| 14:22.24 | prhg | How do I install debian 5.04 with software raid? |
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| 14:22.58 | rvsjoen | dpkg: software raid |
| 14:22.59 | dpkg | "Multidisk Device" (MD) is commonly used to describe the software <RAID> facilities available in the Linux kernel. This means you can RAID with any disks, with no need for a "special" (read winmodem) hardware controller. To establish at Debian installation time, see section 6.3.2.3 of the <install guide>. See also <mdadm>. http://linux.yyz.us/why-software-raid.html http://raid.wiki.kernel.org/ |
| 14:23.06 | themill | trupheenix: you still need to fool udev into configuring by touching that file as maintainer script instructed. Then reboot into the new kernel and continue |
| 14:23.41 | trupheenix | themill, hmmmm now i get something which tells me that the device ids are going to be changed! :-O |
| 14:24.01 | trupheenix | themill, i got shit loads of data in my home folder. u think i keep it elsewhere for now? |
| 14:24.29 | g00se | Bop: I *am* root |
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| 14:29.41 | trupheenix | themill? |
| 14:29.44 | trupheenix | themill ? |
| 14:29.54 | trupheenix | themill, will this affect anything? |
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| 14:31.16 | trupheenix | themill, touching which file? |
| 14:31.23 | trupheenix | themill, kernel-upgrade? |
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| 14:33.06 | tbsaunde | trupheenix: yes |
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| 14:34.04 | trupheenix | tbsaunde, there is some message about device ids getting updated. does this affect anything else? |
| 14:34.16 | trupheenix | tbsaunde, i'm little confused. do i lose any data? |
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| 14:35.10 | rtubio | hello |
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| 14:36.48 | rtubio | i've just solved my problem with intel n-1000; there should be a bug on kernel 2.6.32-2 (squeeze) for amd64; just reinstalling squeeze-x86 my wifi network works perfect!! Indeed, I also tried ubuntu (2.6.32-22-amd64), and the problem is exactly the same! Where should I post this bug? |
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| 14:41.39 | tbsaunde | trupheenix: not sure from that description, b ut backups have never hurt anyone |
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| 14:42.27 | trupheenix | tbsaunde, yay i upgraded my kernel as well as my udev |
| 14:42.32 | trupheenix | tbsaunde, but x is gone |
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| 14:43.09 | tbsaunde | trupheenix: have you rebooted? |
| 14:43.12 | wols | ati or nvidia? |
| 14:43.19 | tbsaunde | trupheenix: into the new kernel |
| 14:43.41 | ethanol | who uses x? :< |
| 14:44.01 | Night_Elf | raises hand meekly |
| 14:44.18 | wols | ethanol: hard to have more than one shell on screen at the same time otherwise |
| 14:44.25 | wols | with X it's easy to run 4+ xterms |
| 14:44.38 | Night_Elf | He will suggest screen now |
| 14:44.39 | Night_Elf | :D |
| 14:44.46 | wols | and no, screen doesn't count |
| 14:44.50 | ethanol | :< |
| 14:44.55 | karme | emacs |
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| 14:46.13 | Frantic | hey guys, any idea how to make exim4 deliver mail for the locally configured hostname if the MX points somehwere else? (currently if I send mail to @mydomain.com it stores it in the local user's mbox, but the MX points to another machine (gmail)) |
| 14:46.22 | flo` | how can i find out the configure options passed after doing a apt-get -b source packagename ? |
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| 14:46.36 | flo` | it is already compiled. is there a way to find there options out now? |
| 14:47.13 | ethanol | Frantic: alias local to remote? |
| 14:47.44 | wols | Frantic: if the MX points to somewhere else, that somewhere else is where all mail ends up, no? |
| 14:48.01 | wols | flo`: you need to get the source and check yourself |
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| 14:48.16 | flo` | wols, which ./configure command does apt-get source execute? |
| 14:48.25 | Frantic | ethanol: there are many many mentions of local_user in /etc/exim4/conf.d, and I can't seem to find anything regarding it on google :( |
| 14:48.28 | Frantic | wols: no |
| 14:48.32 | Night_Elf | I have only recently discovered the gns3 Graphical Network Simulator. It needs the dynamips package as well. Before I get too excited, what else is there to see as an alternative? I have so far 'borrowed' from a friend the Dynamips network simulator for window$ but if anything comes right away in your heads, what is it ? |
| 14:48.33 | flo` | does it apply some flags? or only plain ./configure --prefix=/foo ? |
| 14:49.26 | flo` | and, is there a way to recompile this package with different ./configure options _without_ having to recompile the unchanged parts? (i.e., do not execute make clean before?) |
| 14:49.33 | flo` | or is that normal behaviour? |
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| 14:51.04 | flo` | again: which parameters does apt-get source -b <foo> give to ./configure? |
| 14:51.07 | Night_Elf | was it only me, or others experienced some dcc attempts with a backdoor file or something ? |
| 14:52.35 | trupheenix | tbsaunde, yea i boots into new kernel |
| 14:52.43 | trupheenix | tbsaunde, but the damn thing went into a disk check |
| 14:52.50 | trupheenix | tbsaunde, and i'm waiting for it to finish |
| 14:53.29 | flo` | wols, how can i find out which parameters were passed to configure? |
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| 14:53.59 | wols | check debian/ of the source package |
| 14:54.04 | wols | somewhere there it is |
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| 14:54.13 | trupheenix | tbsaunde, but i think my X is mostly gone! :( |
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| 14:55.59 | Frantic | ethanol: there are many many mentions of local_user in /etc/exim4/conf.d, any ideas? |
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| 14:56.35 | Frantic | I think I sould replace the transport in config_real_local, but I'm not sure if it will break something |
| 14:56.41 | lindi- | flo`: debian/rules calls configure |
| 14:57.02 | flo` | how can i manually compile a source tree downloaded by apt-get source and then create packages from it? |
| 14:57.12 | g00se | chmod fails for root on this deb too - why? |
| 14:57.17 | flo` | like apt-get source -b, only that i do the build step by hand? |
| 14:57.27 | lindi- | flo`: dpkg-buildpackage |
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| 14:57.33 | themill | flo`: /msg dpkg package recompile |
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| 14:59.25 | ethanol | Frantic: meh I usually use sendmail, not exim |
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| 14:59.47 | ethanol | Frantic: but if you reconfigure using dpkg you can make your server always send remotely, not locally |
| 14:59.53 | trupheenix | damn xserver is gone |
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| 15:00.14 | Frantic | ethanol: that's it, you can't :( |
| 15:00.19 | ethanol | uh |
| 15:00.22 | ethanol | pretty sure you can |
| 15:00.27 | Frantic | ethanol: it asks you which _other_ domains to accept mail for |
| 15:00.35 | Frantic | and I've set that to empty |
| 15:00.40 | ethanol | who said anything about accepting? |
| 15:00.55 | Frantic | ok, then where else is the setting I need? :) |
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| 15:01.17 | Frantic | exim is shipped default with lenny |
| 15:01.21 | ethanol | I know |
| 15:01.29 | ethanol | that doesn't stop you from using sendmail though |
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| 15:02.10 | Frantic | well I'd like to fix the first problem before creating new ones :) |
| 15:02.26 | ethanol | well I suggest #exim then |
| 15:02.28 | ethanol | sorry :< |
| 15:02.35 | ethanol | don't know much about configuring it |
| 15:02.36 | Frantic | they are asleep over there :( |
| 15:02.40 | Frantic | np thx for trying :) |
| 15:04.25 | ethanol | pastebin your config file |
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| 15:07.07 | flo` | i tried to build opencv2 from sid for lenny. however, it failed to include ffmpeg support |
| 15:07.12 | flo` | config.log tells me why: |
| 15:07.16 | Frantic | ethanol: there are looots of config files |
| 15:07.20 | flo` | it searches for ffmpeg/avcodec.h |
| 15:07.22 | trupheenix | tbsaunde, thanks it's working now spking to u from my laptop :) |
| 15:07.27 | flo` | and it fails. because it doesn't exist |
| 15:07.28 | trupheenix | tbsaunde, i do have some doubts though |
| 15:07.37 | flo` | the file is named ffmpeg/avcodec/avcodec.h |
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| 15:07.45 | flo` | how can i fix that? |
| 15:07.54 | trupheenix | tbsaunde, i want to install my wifi drivers. i use the iwlwifi drivers u know what should i do next? probably build them right? |
| 15:07.57 | flo` | ideally without having to recompile the _whole_ opencv package |
| 15:07.58 | ethanol | Frantic: well one of our old etch servers has exim which has one under /etc/exim4/update-exim4.conf |
| 15:08.07 | ethanol | Frantic: which is rather small and contains the most important ones |
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| 15:08.16 | ethanol | Frantic: not sure if that applies to your case though |
| 15:08.32 | wols | flo`: maybe look where avcodec.h for ffmpeg is? it might be only in !dmm due to licensing issues |
| 15:08.46 | wols | trupheenix: no |
| 15:08.49 | wols | !iwlwifi |
| 15:08.49 | dpkg | iwlwifi is the new driver for Intel 3945 and 4965 wireless LAN chipsets since Lenny. Firmware is required, ask me about <non-free sources> and install the firmware-iwlwifi package to provide. See http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi (particularly if switching from ipw3945). See also <iwlagn> <wmaster0>. #ipw2100 on irc.freenode.net. |
| 15:08.53 | flo` | as i said, ffmpeg/avcodec/avcodec.h |
| 15:09.07 | flo` | only in the wrong directory |
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| 15:09.11 | wols | flo`: no. that's where it WANTS it to be, and it obviously isn't there |
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| 15:09.30 | wols | so patch the source or make it otherwise see it there |
| 15:09.37 | flo` | no. it is located there. says ls. i think it's the correct header file |
| 15:09.39 | wols | as I said: ffmpeg is a bit tricky. many patents there |
| 15:09.55 | flo` | it looks for ffmpeg/avcodec.h, but i only have ffmpeg/avcodec/avcodec.h |
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| 15:10.01 | Boohemian | how do i accept a file through skype on linux?? |
| 15:10.03 | flo` | i need to adjust that path. |
| 15:10.06 | Frantic | ethanol: I've tried dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config, and it actually asks if I want the config split to different files, and I said no, I've even said yes once and then no again, and they are still split :( |
| 15:10.10 | ethanol | Boohemian: say 'yes' |
| 15:10.18 | Boohemian | ethanol: i don't have that option |
| 15:10.34 | Boohemian | it just says posted, and waiting for it to accept on the end |
| 15:10.35 | ethanol | Frantic: I know, exim and config files is a nightmare |
| 15:10.37 | Frantic | ethanol: update-exim4.conf it seems just keeps the dpkg-reconfigure gui options saved |
| 15:10.45 | Frantic | the real config is in /etc/exim4/conf.d |
| 15:10.52 | ethanol | Frantic: no, that files holds real config values |
| 15:11.02 | ethanol | Frantic: you can modify those and then /etc/init.d/exim4 restart |
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| 15:11.13 | trupheenix | wols, damn i just had lxde reboot! |
| 15:11.30 | ethanol | Frantic: http://www.tin.org/bin/man.cgi?section=8&topic=update-exim4.conf |
| 15:11.31 | wols | IIRC iwlwifi is a module. no need to reboot |
| 15:11.40 | trupheenix | wols, i mean my lxde just crashed |
| 15:11.55 | trupheenix | wols, i wonder if lxde is buggy on sid |
| 15:12.08 | trupheenix | wols, but i loveeeee lxde. it's amazingly speedy |
| 15:12.09 | wols | EVERYTHING is buggy in sid. it's the definition of "sid" |
| 15:12.56 | flo` | when i do dpkg-buildpackage, does it do make clean before? |
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| 15:13.02 | Boohemian | ethanol: where would it be in the options to accept the file? |
| 15:13.19 | ethanol | Boohemian: uh, no idea? it should just open a dialog |
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| 15:18.11 | lindi- | flo`: well if make is used then yes |
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| 15:18.43 | flo` | lindi-, how can i turn off that behaviour? |
| 15:19.06 | flo` | i want it to reuse all already compiled files that haven't changed. like a plain make would do |
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| 15:22.57 | lindi- | flo`: fakeroot debian/rules binary |
| 15:23.23 | flo` | mhkay... |
| 15:23.37 | flo` | but i have a much greater problem ._. |
| 15:24.06 | flo` | opencv searchs ffmpeg's files in ffmpeg/file.h. however, they are located in ffmpeg/libavcodec/file.h |
| 15:24.21 | flo` | of course, it fails to recognize ffmpeg and builds without ffmpeg support |
| 15:24.56 | flo` | that sucks. so i tried creating symlinks to all files in ffmpeg/ |
| 15:25.05 | flo` | for avcodec.h, this helped |
| 15:25.14 | ethanol | stop using opencv |
| 15:25.15 | ethanol | :< |
| 15:25.17 | flo` | however, avformat.h does not work |
| 15:25.18 | Night_Elf | flo`: a symlink of file.h in ffmpeg pointing to libavcodec/file.h won't fool the compiler ? |
| 15:25.20 | Night_Elf | ah.. there |
| 15:25.38 | flo` | it tells me: In file included from /usr/include/ffmpeg/avformat.h:40,: |
| 15:25.40 | masgandhul | what app are used to made dvd repo from repository it self? |
| 15:25.43 | flo` | /usr/include/ffmpeg/libavcodec/avcodec.h:30:30: error: libavutil/avutil.h: No such file or directory |
| 15:26.02 | flo` | (the #include command was: #include "libavutil/avutil.h") |
| 15:26.10 | flo` | a) how can i fix this |
| 15:26.15 | flo` | b) why is that |
| 15:26.20 | flo` | include line so strange? |
| 15:26.27 | flo` | without the leading ffmpeg/ dir? |
| 15:27.19 | lindi- | flo`: why are you building opencv? |
| 15:28.01 | flo` | lindi-, because a) i want version 2 and b) the lenny-binary does not work properly: g++ fails to link against it. some lib is missing |
| 15:28.31 | flo` | this is a known bug related due to debian-multimedia's version of ffmpeg. (which i am using) |
| 15:28.59 | themill | flo`: that particular file has moved around sufficiently many times that it's not surprising that no source code knows exactly where to find it. |
| 15:29.06 | ethanol | flo`: did you try aptitude install libavformat-dev libswscale-dev |
| 15:29.07 | ethanol | ? |
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| 15:29.37 | flo` | ethanol, of course |
| 15:29.40 | lindi- | flo`: debian unstable has opencv 2 |
| 15:29.49 | flo` | i mean, the files exist. only not where they are expected |
| 15:29.50 | lindi- | flo`: and squeeze too |
| 15:30.01 | flo` | lindi-, i know. that's why i am building it from there |
| 15:30.05 | lindi- | flo`: have you reported a bug for b)? |
| 15:30.11 | flo` | i'm building the sid package |
| 15:30.21 | lindi- | flo`: ok |
| 15:30.31 | jaggz | what do I do to add another IP to the eth1 interface? I added the IP address to etc/network/interfaces as eth1:1 .. I also included all the wpa lines from eth1 .. |
| 15:30.36 | flo` | lindi-, i do not even know if that's a bug or some (to me) weird decision of some maintainer |
| 15:30.46 | jaggz | now I can't get to my system :} |
| 15:30.55 | jaggz | (after running ifup eth1:1) |
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| 15:31.51 | rafsoaken | hi, Is it possible to take a snapshot of all packages and transfer that to a new system? Any way to go about this? |
| 15:32.21 | jaggz | just the list? |
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| 15:32.56 | lindi- | flo`: i'm personally just using unstable chroot for opencv |
| 15:33.09 | flo` | grml. now i fixed the include lines by hand |
| 15:33.12 | flo` | and it works =) |
| 15:33.59 | flo` | now i have a weird construct of symlinks and fixed files, but they are compatible to debian's way of placing these files and by opencv's way |
| 15:34.22 | flo` | okay. now i just need to know how to make a package from this without do make clean befoe |
| 15:34.24 | flo` | *before |
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| 15:34.29 | rafsoaken | jaggz: no the whole thing, I want the whole state duplicated packagewise.. |
| 15:34.51 | snodnipper | lindi-: sorry to target you. In relation your comments regarding dpkg, we have some proprietary code that I am trying to package up. |
| 15:35.02 | flo` | does that single line fakeroot debian/rules binary do the job? |
| 15:36.06 | snodnipper | lindi-: I was using 'dpkg --build' but I was thinking of using dpatch to track our amendments to the config files. Obviously dpatch expects debian whereas dpkg expects control files in DEBIAN |
| 15:36.35 | snodnipper | lindi-: are you able to comment on how best to deal with that? |
| 15:37.29 | jaggz | yeah I'm just wondering why not get the list and then use that to install those packages on another system.. (and possibly remove) |
| 15:37.39 | lindi- | snodnipper: i'm not really a fan of non-free stuff :) |
| 15:37.45 | jaggz | various aptitude or other apt-* lines to get lists of packages |
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| 15:38.34 | flo` | how can i re-build that package without making clean and how can i create .deb packages out of it? |
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| 15:38.46 | lindi- | flo`: i already mentioned it? |
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| 15:38.59 | flo` | that fakeroot debian/rules binary thingy, yes |
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| 15:39.03 | lindi- | flo`: the binary target |
| 15:39.06 | flo` | but how can i create .deb packages from it? |
| 15:39.14 | flo` | or does that target already create them? |
| 15:39.16 | lindi- | flo`: that creates those |
| 15:39.18 | snodnipper | lindi: unfortunately a bit of filth that we have to put up with...but actually the same goes with all kinds of weird Java packages. Do you think a git repository would be the better approach? |
| 15:39.23 | flo` | aaah... thanks =) |
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| 15:40.16 | snodnipper | lindi-: just thinking, that if we get updates it would be easier to 'patch' the config files...I am not sure that git would be ideal for that |
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| 15:40.39 | trupheenix | anyone got any tips to help me get my webcam working now on sid? |
| 15:41.20 | lindi- | snodnipper: i'm sorry but i'm really not in the mood to think of anything non-free right now :) |
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| 15:41.37 | snodnipper | ok, np. |
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| 15:42.22 | themill | snodnipper: are these .deb packages that you're trying to alter or are you trying to stuff random pre-compiled things into your own private .debs? |
| 15:43.06 | snodnipper | themill: random pre-compiled things into private debs for within the organisation. |
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| 15:43.20 | snodnipper | basically, the same goes for things like geoserver (geoserver.org) |
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| 15:44.13 | snodnipper | they provide Geoserver (say) as a tar.gz containing class files etc. etc. We need to change the config files of geoserver...and maybe add an upstart routine etc. |
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| 15:45.01 | themill | snodnipper: right, so the approach would be exactly the same as building any other package: you unpack the "source" (i.e. precompiled stuff from distributor), add to it your debian/ which contains your patches in debian/patches/, dpkg-buildpackage to build the deb. |
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| 15:45.29 | themill | snodnipper: so you should follow standard packaging approaches for this, just skipping of the "compile" step. /msg dpkg nmg ; http://blogs.cae.tntech.edu/mwr/2007/05/28/making-debian-packages-from-commercial-software/ |
| 15:46.10 | themill | snodnipper: btw when you start talking about upstart jobs, I presume you're actually working with ubuntu here. You should get your support from them in that case as they know the specific tools that you have at your disposal. |
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| 15:47.54 | snodnipper | themill: thanks, we do use ubuntu but that is just an example. Continuing the line of thread...would you imagine that dpatch (etc.) would be a good approach to tracking config file changes or is that a bit left field? |
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| 15:48.45 | trupheenix | can anyone help me with my webcam on sid? |
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| 15:48.59 | trupheenix | its working on camorama but no video on skype. anyone experiencing this? |
| 15:49.58 | snodnipper | truppheenix: is the webcam getting picked up by the kernel? |
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| 15:50.22 | cahoot | trupheenix: seems your problem is with skype then, not sid per se - IIRC skype isn't part of debian |
| 15:50.23 | snodnipper | trupheenix: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Webcam-HOWTO/hardware.html |
| 15:50.54 | themill | snodnipper: I'd use quilt over dpatch for that, but yes it would work fine. Doing all the packaging in git and letting it do the merging would work well too. http://wiki.debian.org/PackagingWithGit. But really... #ubuntu or #ubuntu-devel or #ubuntu-beginners-dev or whatever if you're wanting help making packages for ubuntu. You have different tools and certainly different versions of them available. |
| 15:51.37 | tuv | what does it mean for an lvm lv not to have a uuid (blkid -s UUID -o value /dev/mapper/vg-lv returns nothing) ? |
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| 15:53.10 | snodnipper | themill: cheers - do appreciate it. I'll ask in the future in said channels...really just people in here discussing something that jogged my memory. And you guys are v.friendly ;) |
| 15:53.12 | trupheenix | snodnipper, i think the camera drivers aren't there |
| 15:53.14 | denisw | hi |
| 15:53.22 | tuv | i have 2 lv (lvm on raid10) and a raid1 device. only one lv has a uuid (swap). the raid10 under lvm also has uuid. nothing else does. what could cause a device not to have a uuid? |
| 15:53.59 | snodnipper | trupheenix: do you have a driver for your webcam? |
| 15:54.16 | trupheenix | snodnipper, i'm using a Logitech Quickcam easy |
| 15:54.18 | denisw | is there a library to access the package database of dpkg, similar to rpmlib for RPM? |
| 15:54.19 | trupheenix | snodnipper, no |
| 15:54.39 | themill | snodnipper: no worries. I was about to recommend debsrc3.0 for your work as it's easier to deal with than patches of patches, but I have no idea if ubuntu tools support that yet etc... |
| 15:54.40 | trupheenix | snodnipper, also would u be able to tell me why my DVD writer is being recognized as a CD Rom drive? |
| 15:54.48 | themill | denisw: what information do you want? |
| 15:55.29 | denisw | themill: is there a library to access the package database of dpkg, similar to rpmlib for RPM? (or is this the wrong channel for debian developer questions?) |
| 15:55.54 | themill | denisw: I have no idea what rpmlib gives you, however. What information do you want? |
| 15:55.56 | damonwang | I got an old Xeon machine and I had a sarge x86 cd lying around, so I just threw it on and now I have a number of errors that seem related to root not having root permissions. Obviously, the correct way to actually fix this is to get a modern CD and reinstall, but I'm curious how these errors are happening. THe first was during base-config after the first boot, when it couldn't create new users because permission was denied. (Sorry, |
| 15:57.06 | denisw | themill: with rpmlib, you can iterate over the packages installed on the system, read their metadata, and make modifications in the database |
| 15:57.34 | snodnipper | themill: uumm....keeping it simple is probably best for now although I'll keep an eye out on the ubuntu front |
| 15:58.04 | denisw | e.g. add entries to the package database (even if there is no corresponding .deb package) |
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| 15:58.44 | snodnipper | trupheenix: the following link might be of interest http://qce-ga.sourceforge.net/. Also, I note the following Ubuntu comment: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1086946 |
| 15:58.54 | themill | denisw: there's an experimental libdpkg-dev for this, also tools like libapt and python-apt. But they are intended to be read-only or to perform sane actions like requesting that a package be installed or removed. Breaking your system by screwing with the db directly is not supported. |
| 15:59.59 | trupheenix | snodnipper, all the gspca_drivers are installed. camorama gives output while skype shows a big white square. i wonder why |
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| 16:00.22 | trupheenix | snodnipper, i'll catch u in a while |
| 16:00.25 | trupheenix | gotta eat dinner now |
| 16:00.26 | trupheenix | bye |
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| 16:01.23 | trupheenix | snodnipper, u suppose i could reconfigure the gspca drivers for the kernel? |
| 16:01.31 | denisw | themill: ok thanks. i know that directly messing with the db is the wrong thing in 99% of the cases, but I'm currently trying to develop a small library which should allow cross-distro Linux installers to integrate with the native package manager, and in this case adding entries to the db is essential |
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| 16:01.44 | ofauchon | Hi .... How can I change path to "strip" in a debian/rules file ? |
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| 16:02.10 | themill | denisw: *shudder* |
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| 16:03.13 | themill | ofauchon: "strip" is just called in PATH as normal... but it sounds like quite an odd question to be asking. What are you really trying to do? |
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| 16:05.17 | denisw | themill: sounds a bit scary I know |
| 16:05.17 | ofauchon | themill, I 'm cross-compiling a package and the correct way to stip files is "/home/me/bin/mad strip" when using my toolchain |
| 16:05.18 | ofauchon | I wish there is DEB_STRIP="/path/to/my/strip" or something like that |
| 16:05.18 | ofauchon | in rules file |
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| 16:05.44 | snodnipper | trupheenix: the fact that you can get output but not in skype suggests that it is a skype issue...I am not sure that mucking about with the kernel would do much...the webcam sounds like it works. |
| 16:05.47 | themill | ofauchon: "PATH=/home/me/bin/mad:$PATH dpkg-buildpackage" etc would work just fine. (same way you define distcc or ccache) |
| 16:06.02 | themill | snodnipper: he's gone, btw. |
| 16:06.14 | snodnipper | oh well ;) |
| 16:06.28 | tuv | is going craze. why would a device not have a uuid (blkid returns nothing) |
| 16:06.56 | ofauchon | themill, some other variables works, like : |
| 16:06.59 | ofauchon | MAKE=/home/olivier/bin/mad make |
| 16:06.59 | ofauchon | QMAKE=/home/olivier/bin/mad qmake |
| 16:07.28 | ofauchon | Oh, there is that : DEB_MAKE_INVOKE := $(MAKE) $(PARALLEL_MAKEFLAGS) |
| 16:07.38 | themill | ofauchon: is this package using debhelper (i.e. are there dh or dh_strip calls) |
| 16:08.05 | ofauchon | yes |
| 16:08.15 | themill | so fiddling with the path is sufficient |
| 16:08.48 | ofauchon | yes I'll do that |
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| 16:28.48 | jhutchins_lt | I wish more debian packageds didn't depend on Gnome. |
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| 16:29.07 | jhutchins_lt | I'd rather have a clean KDE system than KDE running on a full Gnome install. |
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| 16:32.53 | Night_Elf | jhulst: I'd think they depend on gtk rather than on gnome |
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| 16:34.09 | Night_Elf | jhulst: personally I use normal debian with gnome gui. But I also use kVirc as the irc client which has installed some gtk libraries for itself to function. But no, there's no kde installation for me |
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| 16:34.49 | Night_Elf | ok, replace the last gtk libraries with qt libraries |
| 16:35.13 | acathur | jhutchins_lt: you probably need to read /msg dpkg install kde |
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| 16:51.15 | Night_Elf | If I have a system that is newly installed, and from another system I take all the .deb files in /var/cache/apt/archives and place them in the same place of the new installation, is there a way for this new installation to use them ? |
| 16:51.41 | darsie | I can 'man clock_gettime', but gcc says: test.c:(.text+0x19): undefined reference to `clock_gettime'. What's wrong? |
| 16:52.27 | \amethyst | darsie: the manpage says "Link with -lrt" |
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| 16:52.57 | darsie | \amethyst: Ohh. Thx. |
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| 16:54.23 | darsie | Night_Elf: Just use aptitude, apt-get or dpkg. You may need to update /etc/apt/sources.list to repositories which include these packages. |
| 16:55.01 | darsie | I actually have /var/cache/apt/archives imported via NFS from our local server. |
| 16:55.21 | darsie | Not 100% failsafe, but works. |
| 16:55.48 | darsie | needed some tikering with the lockfile(s?). |
| 16:56.23 | Night_Elf | darsie: The logic is clear to me. But don't the lines in sources.list have a kind of a format where are the .deb files? Will it do if I just add a directory there (or elsewhere where these .deb files are) and just do an apt-get update ? |
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| 16:57.45 | darsie | aptitude will look for *debs in /var/cache/apt/archives before downloading them, so just put them there is enough. Not sure if subdiretories work. |
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| 16:58.23 | darsie | If it doesn't work, you can delete the index files. |
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| 16:59.52 | Night_Elf | darsie: I see. Well no subdirs are involved. The debs are just taken off from another system. But I was thinking also of selecting the packages. But then I think some script can be done to pull the package names from the .deb files themselves and then feed this list to apt-get install |
| 17:00.33 | darsie | aptitude is actually recommended. |
| 17:01.14 | Night_Elf | darsie: oh ok. thanks :) |
| 17:01.18 | darsie | you probably can do that, but then all packages will be marked as manually installed and not removed when they are no longer needed. |
| 17:01.32 | Night_Elf | hmmm |
| 17:01.33 | JyZyXEL | whats the opposite of appeding to a file? |
| 17:01.44 | Night_Elf | truncating a file ? |
| 17:02.01 | darsie | Night_Elf: You might succeed with dpkg -i *.deb |
| 17:02.06 | JyZyXEL | isn't that overwriting? |
| 17:02.28 | themill | prepending? |
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| 17:02.56 | darsie | JyZyXEL: append is a verb and has no opposite. Only adjectives have opposites. |
| 17:03.18 | JyZyXEL | well how about the word "prepend" then? |
| 17:03.22 | Night_Elf | JyZyXEL: not to what I know... a file that contains "12345678" and then you cut off the last 3 chars, the file will have "12345" and it this file is said to have been truncated |
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| 17:03.53 | JyZyXEL | seems that prepend is what i was searching for |
| 17:03.53 | darsie | JyZyXEL: What do you want to do? |
| 17:03.59 | darsie | ohh |
| 17:04.11 | darsie | I'm afraid, that's not available. |
| 17:04.13 | JyZyXEL | add data to the begining of the file without overwriting |
| 17:04.25 | Night_Elf | it is prepend |
| 17:04.54 | themill | JyZyXEL: "move old file away, create new file, append old contents" is pretty much the only approach. |
| 17:04.55 | darsie | JyZyXEL: You'll have to rewrite the file yourself. |
| 17:05.11 | \amethyst | http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashFAQ/090 -- How do I prepend a text to a file (the opposite of >>)? |
| 17:05.38 | JyZyXEL | i wasn't interested in the implementation i just needed the word |
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| 17:08.09 | Zatcharius | Hi. I'm new to debian but my main distro is Arch linux. Is debian testing or sidux similar in package age? |
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| 17:09.14 | Zatcharius | I'd like to test out debian for a while, but I'd like to keep the same bleeding edge package availability. |
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| 17:13.34 | Night_Elf | Zatcharius: is ArchLinux sourcecode based as is Gentoo ? |
| 17:14.19 | Zatcharius | Night_Elf: No it's binary primarily. It has options to compile basically everything from source though via AUR or ABS systems |
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| 17:14.33 | wols | Zatcharius: we don't know or care about sidux. /msg dpkg testing /msg dpkg sid |
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| 17:14.49 | Lantizia | Hey is there going to be full Multiarch abilities in squeeze? |
| 17:15.29 | Night_Elf | Lantizia: To what I know some of the architectures are going to be dropped. |
| 17:15.34 | wols | Lantizia: it's not in squeeze's goals afaik |
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| 17:15.55 | wols | Night_Elf: he means to run a mixed 386/amd64 distro most probably |
| 17:15.57 | Lantizia | Night_Elf: eh? I don't think you understand |
| 17:16.09 | Night_Elf | oh ok |
| 17:16.14 | Lantizia | wols: Where can I find the most up to date information on it's progress? |
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| 17:16.29 | wols | !tell Lantizia about multiarch |
| 17:17.56 | Lantizia | thanks |
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| 17:21.23 | Lantizia | This should so be a part of Squeeze, multiarch would be a big thing to have |
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| 17:23.47 | wols | Lantizia: then start helping making it happen... |
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| 17:29.23 | cafaro | How can i view the version of an installed package? |
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| 17:31.45 | peleg | Do you know any command-line timer application? (countdown or anything similar...) |
| 17:34.28 | wols | cafaro: dpkg -l <package> |
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| 17:34.47 | HideMe | how do I tell if debian installed in 32 or 64 bit? |
| 17:35.16 | wols | HideMe: dpkg --print-architecture |
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| 17:36.19 | HideMe | wols, that conflicts with uname -m |
| 17:36.32 | valdyn | HideMe: so? |
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| 17:36.40 | HideMe | i686 vs i386 |
| 17:36.49 | poisonbit | ldd /bin/cat | tail -1 |
| 17:36.52 | valdyn | HideMe: both are 32-bit |
| 17:36.54 | wols | i686 is not an architecture |
| 17:36.58 | poisonbit | is a kernel |
| 17:37.13 | poisonbit | there are 64bit kernels in debian i386 |
| 17:37.21 | HideMe | wols, what would it say for 64bit? |
| 17:37.22 | wols | that too |
| 17:37.27 | wols | HideMe: amd64 |
| 17:37.36 | poisonbit | ldd /bin/cat | tail -1 |
| 17:37.42 | poisonbit | or something like |
| 17:38.02 | poisonbit | or looking ar lib hier |
| 17:38.20 | poisonbit | at |
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| 17:39.17 | HideMe | thanks |
| 17:40.07 | poisonbit | mmm i didn't know dpkg --print-architecture |
| 17:40.09 | poisonbit | cool |
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| 17:41.50 | poisonbit | uname should work with "default" installs... but if the user has changed the kernel uname is unreliable |
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| 17:58.53 | gps23 | if i leave my laptop running for some time without pressing any key then my laptop screen goes blank and remain blank until i restart. no key combination gives back real screen. i have debian base + laptop + standard-packages installed. |
| 17:59.26 | gps23 | using radeon driver on squeeze. does anyone else have experianced same problem? |
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| 18:01.04 | gps23 | i mean radeon chipset* |
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| 18:01.32 | tharkun | I need to scan for security a debian production server form a debian machine. Is there a simple to use program to scan for thosee or do i have to go the ./configure make make install route ? |
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| 18:01.47 | tharkun | s/form/from/ |
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| 18:02.15 | piklu | Hello Guys |
| 18:02.21 | piklu | I want to host a commerical server |
| 18:02.28 | piklu | I am going to install centos |
| 18:02.40 | piklu | but i see a lot of support for Debian |
| 18:03.04 | piklu | Can anybody make me feel good to go with debian, cause all i have done till now is RedHat kernels |
| 18:03.05 | piklu | he he |
| 18:03.31 | themill | !why debian |
| 18:03.31 | dpkg | Debian strives to maintain your freedom whilst also paying close attention to the technical aspects of making a great OS. Debian is stable, upgradable and well tested. See also http://www.debian.org/intro/free http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ (archived at http://wiki.debian.org/WhyDebian). As an added bonus, you get to ask questions in #debian. |
| 18:03.36 | simonrvn | debian stands on its own merit and reputation. |
| 18:03.55 | MJS | debian has a lot of software, redhat not |
| 18:04.04 | piklu | Well.........CentOS also does that...... |
| 18:04.04 | poisonbit | and the social contract |
| 18:04.10 | tharkun | MJS: irrelevant when talking about servers |
| 18:04.32 | MJS | you don't know which use his server has |
| 18:04.37 | piklu | Give me some good point talking about servers......plz |
| 18:04.41 | themill | tharkun: not so... I've had enough problems with that on RHEL servers too. |
| 18:04.52 | piklu | My server would host clients in VPS + Clustering as well. |
| 18:05.01 | tharkun | themill: I am researching a kernel expoit on rh5 at this very moment |
| 18:05.17 | piklu | tharkun: Get Rich Soon Guy. |
| 18:05.23 | MJS | why should we persuade you - it's kinda useless^^ |
| 18:05.27 | simonrvn | no, you're talking on irc ;p |
| 18:05.35 | darsie | piklu: I once should install bugzilla on RH. I couldn't find package dependency resolution and tried to upgrade perl manually to the required version. I failed. With debian I just installed some packages and it worked. |
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| 18:05.59 | piklu | darsie: thats true........ |
| 18:06.21 | tharkun | piklu: naa, if it is what i think it is only a misconfiguration. I just want to do an off the shelf scan of a debian server to see how serious it might be |
| 18:06.24 | poisonbit | piklu, Debian is widely used in production if that is tour main doubt, i.e. do you know second-life ? the GRID runs on Debian servers. Mee too. |
| 18:06.40 | poisonbit | anyway, choose what you know howto manage in production |
| 18:06.56 | poisonbit | or be prepared for problems |
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| 18:07.15 | poisonbit | and pizza |
| 18:07.19 | xuser | centos is more up-to-date in for now if that is what you want |
| 18:07.23 | simonrvn | mmm pizza |
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| 18:07.32 | xuser | s/in/in virtualiztion |
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| 18:07.40 | darsie | piklu: But then I administrated a server for a client and when I passed it on the new admin said it looks like a desktop install. Hmm. No idea why. |
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| 18:07.59 | piklu | Well....Guys am familiar to centos and commands and all, a little.......I can go with debian as well, cause i see a ControlPanel free for it. |
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| 18:08.14 | piklu | darsie: lol |
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| 18:08.18 | poisonbit | control pannels are the evil |
| 18:08.30 | simonrvn | control panel? ugh. |
| 18:08.35 | simonrvn | !cpanel |
| 18:08.35 | dpkg | it has been said that cpanel is a proprietary web hosting control panel. Ask me about <free whcp> for alternatives. |
| 18:08.36 | piklu | poisonbit: yes they are, but people want it. |
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| 18:08.48 | simonrvn | ah poop |
| 18:08.50 | piklu | Not talking about cpanel,,,, |
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| 18:08.56 | poisonbit | piklu, people is important into /home |
| 18:08.58 | simonrvn | someone changed it.... |
| 18:08.59 | piklu | dpkg: nice nick |
| 18:08.59 | dpkg | piklu: are you using Windows? |
| 18:09.11 | souffledev | hi guys |
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| 18:09.39 | piklu | dpkg: sure i do, i love microsoft and windows, love gates......he he.....no offence......the know how to sell things.....hehe |
| 18:09.39 | dpkg | You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, piklu |
| 18:09.51 | poisonbit | piklu, they are only the evil if you want latter to fix/touch something by hand :) |
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| 18:10.17 | piklu | poisonbit: i know, but if u want to host XEN VPS, u got to give people some freedom |
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| 18:10.33 | tharkun | themill: fwiw. The data on the supposed kernel exploit was a total hoax. |
| 18:10.37 | poisonbit | freedom is in /usr/share/doc |
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| 18:10.45 | souffledev | i am writing a custom net app but syslog keeps complaining "getaddrinfo error: Servname not supported for ai_socktype" |
| 18:11.01 | souffledev | is this the right place to ask? :) |
| 18:11.06 | piklu | true......any ways guys......so servers + debian > servers + centos ? or no comparison |
| 18:11.55 | poisonbit | I only could say that both are solid as a rock and just need good root |
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| 18:12.12 | simonrvn | i'm comfortable with debian on servers and on "desktops". |
| 18:12.29 | darsie | piklu: What about using debian before deploying it? |
| 18:12.42 | poisonbit | darsie++ |
| 18:12.56 | souffledev | should i ask in #C ? |
| 18:12.59 | souffledev | perhaps |
| 18:13.03 | piklu | darsie: do not have time for that, and this time i ll stick to a distro.... |
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| 18:13.42 | piklu | That is why i came to ask you people, the true debian people. |
| 18:14.12 | simonrvn | you should do research instead of asking for opinions, and then forming your own opinion. imo. |
| 18:14.15 | Zatcharius | piklu: Ask us what? |
| 18:14.20 | simonrvn | ;) |
| 18:14.31 | niklaswe | hmm does someone know how i will get 1360x768 in virtualbox.. or how i will do so i can have it.. |
| 18:14.35 | piklu | simonrvn: you are right, but am deploying in night........!! he he |
| 18:14.47 | xuser | he's asking in a debian channel if he should use debian instead of centos ;-) |
| 18:14.55 | piklu | No.......... |
| 18:14.55 | simonrvn | what's a night deployment have to do with anything? |
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| 18:15.05 | piklu | Am asking why should I use debian? ? |
| 18:15.10 | piklu | for a server. |
| 18:15.21 | darsie | piklu: I don't know the other systems well, haven't heard of centos before, so I can't tell you how much trouble you are going to have, switching. |
| 18:15.21 | Zatcharius | simonrvn: Noob! Don't you know Debian has +1 boots of stealth?!? |
| 18:15.34 | simonrvn | ... |
| 18:15.50 | simonrvn | i haven't been called "noob" in years. |
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| 18:16.17 | piklu | Noobieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
| 18:16.19 | piklu | lol |
| 18:16.20 | piklu | he he |
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| 18:16.33 | poisonbit | piklu, The main reason is that Debian comes with apt-get moo |
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| 18:16.53 | tharkun | piklu: how many lines of support have you got here and how many have you got on #centos? |
| 18:16.59 | piklu | Yum : CentOS |
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| 18:17.01 | darsie | but aptitude is preferred over apt-get. |
| 18:17.24 | piklu | tharkun: actually they also helped......but i see overwhelming response here |
| 18:17.26 | piklu | he he |
| 18:17.48 | Zatcharius | piklu: I've never used CentOS, but I've experimented with a variety of others. Linux is linux at the core. The differences are subtle mostly. Basically init scripts, package managers and package repositories, community, documentation, and preinstalled software. |
| 18:18.01 | tharkun | piklu: figure out the reason for that :) |
| 18:18.24 | poisonbit | and apt-get moo http://imagebin.org/index.php?mode=image&id=99231 |
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| 18:18.37 | piklu | tharkun: well, statements were emotional. |
| 18:19.04 | piklu | They say someday world will belong to 2 and only 2.........Centi and Debi........he he |
| 18:19.39 | wols | piklu: we don't do debian marketing here. we only do debian support. come backk AFTER you installed your debian. not while you're still deciding what distro to use. k? |
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| 18:20.01 | Zatcharius | piklu: Isn't centos redhat based? |
| 18:20.11 | tharkun | piklu: yes, emotions are a bias on whatever channel you join. It is a matter of preference on the administration of the server. And how you feel about the comunity and general procedures of the distribution you choose |
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| 18:20.15 | valdyn | !centos |
| 18:20.15 | dpkg | CentOS (Community ENTerprise Operating System) is a rebuild of the Red Hat Enterprise Linux RPMs by the community. http://centos.org/ For IRC support, join #centos on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 18:20.49 | Zatcharius | So he's basically arguing the old RHEL vs Debian |
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| 18:20.56 | simonrvn | it's rhel without the support contracts |
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| 18:21.04 | pallgone | can't find uuencode command, also doesn't seem to be in the repo in squeeze? |
| 18:21.29 | wols | !tell pallgone about search |
| 18:21.30 | poisonbit | in lenny is sharutils |
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| 18:21.58 | arosen | Hello, I'm trying to pxe boot an embedded device I have to install debian. I have dhcp/tftp all working but my only problem is that after the device starts booting the debian installer outputs the screen to VGA but i only have serial. Does anyone know know what I have to change to fix this? |
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| 18:22.18 | poisonbit | console= |
| 18:22.28 | valdyn | !serial console |
| 18:22.32 | valdyn | oo |
| 18:22.36 | darsie | pallgone: try uufilter |
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| 18:23.14 | poisonbit | arosen, I think it's an example in the debian-installer cd syslinux boot F1, F2, F3, etc help |
| 18:23.16 | darsie | pallgone: sorry, uufilter seems to be for decoding only. |
| 18:23.27 | poisonbit | and maybe it's in the debian-installer guide too |
| 18:23.54 | pallgone | darsie: it's in sharutils, poisonbit is right |
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| 18:24.20 | piklu | he he |
| 18:24.22 | piklu | Disconnected Dude |
| 18:25.03 | poisonbit | arosen, something like add to kernel boot line: console=/dev/ttyS0,9600n8 |
| 18:25.10 | arosen | poisonbit: syslinux.cfg? (thats a file for me) is there a way to edit the default kernel boot line in here? |
| 18:25.18 | poisonbit | may work |
| 18:25.35 | wols | poisonbit: that doesn't help when getty starts, only for the kernel itself |
| 18:26.08 | poisonbit | I can't remember well, but I think the debian-installer has this documented in F1, F2, etc help |
| 18:26.55 | simonrvn | i'm almost 100% sure it's documented in the install guide. |
| 18:27.16 | arosen | poisonbit: i think its in txt.cfg. That file has this line in it. append vga=normal initrd=debian-installer/i386/initrd.gz -- quiet |
| 18:27.48 | arosen | poisonbit: should i change that line to append console=ttyS0,38400 initrd=debian-installer/i386/initrd.gz -- quiet ? |
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| 18:28.02 | crocket | When does debian 6 come out? |
| 18:28.05 | crocket | no |
| 18:28.08 | crocket | When will debian 6 come out? |
| 18:28.10 | jelly-home | !wwsr |
| 18:28.10 | dpkg | Squeeze will release <WIR>, <SIYH>. No release schedule is done yet. Ask me about <squeeze bet>. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2010/05/msg00000.html |
| 18:28.37 | poisonbit | arosen, I'm not sure, you can try, and see wath wols said |
| 18:28.38 | gps23 | my laptop screen goes blank when i don't use it for sometime and then doesn't come out of this state. any solution please? |
| 18:28.57 | gps23 | using squeeze on radeon 9100 card |
| 18:29.02 | simonrvn | stop using that laptop? :P |
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| 18:30.17 | lrcaballero | hi everyone! I just installed Lenny, but during the install.. it didn't recognized my ethernet connection nor my network card. I installed the wireless tools, I modprobe ath9k and yiet no success! whta am I doing wrong? can someone help me? Thank you. also my resolution is 1024 x 768 but my video card can support a higher res.. and finally it didn't recognized my USB Seagate extrenal HD. I have spent searching for these isues on google but |
| 18:30.23 | arosen | poisonbit: cool that worked thanks! |
| 18:30.29 | crocket | jelly-home: That's not helping. I acquired no information from that. |
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| 18:30.52 | wols | lrcaballero: what wlan chip is it? lspci -nn |
| 18:30.57 | simonrvn | crocket: that's the best answer you'll get. |
| 18:30.59 | jelly-home | crocket: there is not much more info to be given |
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| 18:31.15 | crocket | What's the ball-park estimation? |
| 18:31.24 | jelly-home | crocket: Sooner If You Help |
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| 18:31.28 | lrcaballero | WOLS : AR8131 |
| 18:31.38 | wols | crocket: does not exist. everyone has another one and no one in this world (really) actually knows anything |
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| 18:31.47 | wols | lrcaballero: PCI ID please |
| 18:31.59 | wols | lrcaballero: but chances are, you need a backports kernel. /msg dpkg backports |
| 18:32.02 | poisonbit | arosen, http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch05s03.html.en <--- only the device name |
| 18:32.24 | jelly-home | crocket: my estimate is 6-12 months after the freeze. Don't ask when the package version freeze is going to come, though. |
| 18:32.37 | jelly-home | !squeeze bet 1 |
| 18:32.49 | jelly-home | !squeeze pool 1 |
| 18:32.49 | dpkg | ! <craigevil>=2010-08-30 Selveste1=2011-06-10 NiLon=2010-10-12 rvsjoen=2010-07-15 jordanm=2010-12-15 icebrain=2010-06-01 tabashco=2010-11-22 <rmayorga>=2011-1-17 jelly=2010-09-29 dpalacio=2010-08-03 cydork=2010-07-10 CutMeOwnThroat=2010-06-15 enouf=2010-04-01 themill=2010-05-30 valdyn=2010-06-15 rohan=2010-12-06 abrotman=2010-10-02 gsimmons=2010-09-03 |
| 18:32.51 | crocket | still have to wait for 1.5 years |
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| 18:33.22 | jelly-home | crocket: I'd say Selveste1 has a realistic guess. |
| 18:33.48 | raz | where in debian would i add additional routes that i need to be set after/while networking is up? |
| 18:34.05 | wols | raz: /etc/network/interfaces |
| 18:35.29 | raz | wols: i don't see anything in the man-page about how i would set up routes there |
| 18:35.39 | raz | it only seems to have interface information and the default gateway |
| 18:35.47 | poisonbit | pre-up ip route add blaaa and other line with post-up ip route del blaaaa |
| 18:35.49 | arosen | poisonbit: after this is done installing I'm going to have to find some what to edit menu.lst to configure console=ttyS0,38400 right? |
| 18:35.49 | wols | raz: post-up script |
| 18:36.02 | raz | aah thx |
| 18:36.05 | poisonbit | you can repeat multiple pre-up/post-up lines foreach interface |
| 18:36.39 | arosen | some way** |
| 18:36.42 | lrcaballero | wols: Atheros 1969:1063 168C:002A is this it? sorry! am a newbie... |
| 18:36.48 | wols | arosen: # kopt= |
| 18:36.57 | wols | ,pciid 168C:002A |
| 18:36.59 | judd | [168c:002a] is 'AR928X Wireless Network Adapter (PCI-Express)' from 'Atheros Communications Inc.' with no known kernel module in lenny but has kernel module 'ath9k' in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=168c:002a http://wiki.debian.org/ath9k |
| 18:37.08 | poisonbit | arosen, I think debian installer keeps one tty if you boot with the console option the install |
| 18:37.18 | wols | lrcaballero: get the kernel from backports, yes. it will support your wlan |
| 18:37.22 | wols | !backports |
| 18:37.22 | dpkg | [backport] a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.org/ . Ask me about <backports.org> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
| 18:38.05 | lrcaballero | wols: how do I do get the kernel from backports? |
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| 18:38.28 | Zmanu | hello |
| 18:38.49 | Zmanu | how can i add something in fstab ? |
| 18:38.58 | poisonbit | of course |
| 18:38.59 | darsie | Zmanu: vi? |
| 18:39.01 | Zmanu | is there a utility to do this ? |
| 18:39.02 | poisonbit | editing it |
| 18:39.13 | Zmanu | how can i get UUID |
| 18:39.23 | darsie | dumpe2fs? |
| 18:39.40 | cahoot | blkid |
| 18:40.27 | Zmanu | cahoot: thanks |
| 18:40.34 | Zmanu | darsie: too many information :) |
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| 18:41.17 | darsie | dumpe2fs -h |
| 18:41.44 | Zmanu | i read the man quickly and blkid give me directly the UUID |
| 18:42.09 | darsie | dumpe2fs also doesn't give UUID for swap |
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| 18:42.39 | simonrvn | blkid's the better one if you don't have an ext* partition there (like lvm or xfs or such) |
| 18:42.44 | piklu | Oracle and Websphere like prop softwares are not supported on debian ??? TRUE ? |
| 18:43.10 | simonrvn | there's another one that the name escapes me atm, gives the uuid for swap also iirc. |
| 18:43.22 | darsie | piklu: They are not part of debian. |
| 18:43.37 | piklu | darsie: what is being a part of debian ? |
| 18:43.51 | darsie | included in the distribution. |
| 18:43.54 | wols | piklu: anything in debian "main" |
| 18:43.59 | raz | also where do i specify the fqdn? /etc/hostname should only contain the hostname, right? |
| 18:44.25 | jelly-home | piklu: you |
| 18:44.26 | wols | raz: fqdn for what purpose? |
| 18:44.27 | piklu | wols: true. but a OS should be supported by other parties...... |
| 18:44.42 | jelly-home | piklu: you'll have to ask your vendor which OS is supported |
| 18:44.55 | wols | piklu: no one of these parties support centos cause centos cannot pay the certification |
| 18:44.59 | raz | wols: 'hostname -f' for starters ;) |
| 18:45.00 | piklu | wols: making OS go as a part of closed tools or set of softwares is ok? |
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| 18:45.11 | simonrvn | EPARSE |
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| 18:45.23 | wols | piklu: go away and educate yourself before you spout more nonsense. have a nice day |
| 18:46.08 | wols | raz: man hostname ? |
| 18:46.12 | raz | ya got it |
| 18:46.44 | lrcaballero | if I fdisk -l , lenny recognizes my usb seagte external hd, but I can't see it on my desktop, how can I fix this? |
| 18:46.47 | wols | and as you undoubtedly know, the resolver has a hearty friendship to /etc/hosts |
| 18:47.04 | wols | !tell lrcaballero about automount |
| 18:47.34 | piklu | wols: I talk sense......You understood me wrong, Saying they are not part of Debian is great !! but just think that a OS shall stay OS, All i read about debian being so nice is APT, thats the package manager, lessens burden of dependency probs.......no body says how good the OS concepts are ? memory management, resource allocation, performance. Why not choose windows than ?? |
| 18:47.53 | jelly-home | piklu: there are two, maybe three different concepts here: - what Debian itself supports (software that comes in Debian) - which OS/release an app. vendor supports to run their software and be able to request support from them - similar, hw vendors also only support certain combinations of OS/version + driver/version + firmware/version |
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| 18:48.17 | lrcaballero | wols: it doesn't do it if I automount code: /dev/sdb automount |
| 18:48.34 | wols | lrcaballero: you don't make sense |
| 18:48.41 | simonrvn | piklu: 'then'. one of debian's kernels is the linux kernel.... |
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| 18:48.55 | wols | simonrvn: now you're really confusing him |
| 18:49.13 | simonrvn | he seems confused about a lot of things. |
| 18:50.11 | wols | lrcaballero: what desktop environment do you run? |
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| 18:50.26 | simonrvn | lrcaballero: /msg dpkg automount (in your irc client) |
| 18:50.28 | jelly-home | piklu: try reading /msg dpkg why debian |
| 18:50.36 | simonrvn | again |
| 18:50.39 | piklu | wols: no no, i wanna know more, how good debian is when it comes straight to bare metal things, leaving my 0effort-install |
| 18:50.41 | piklu | jelly-home: i understand that.....But software makes are compelled to produce distribution for anything which is followed by a patrioctic user group. |
| 18:51.05 | simonrvn | piklu: bare metal? then don't install an os. simple. |
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| 18:51.14 | piklu | * patriotic |
| 18:51.23 | wols | piklu: that alone shows how clueless you are. again: this is a debian SUPPORT channel. NOT a debian marketing channel |
| 18:51.24 | simonrvn | let's see how far you get with bare metal ;). |
| 18:51.42 | piklu | simonrvn: say it like how good it as OS........ |
| 18:51.50 | lrcaballero | PLEASE! forgive my ignorance guys... this is why I am here! because I need your help... :) |
| 18:51.50 | simonrvn | patriotic? wtf? |
| 18:51.51 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell piklu -about why debian |
| 18:52.03 | piklu | wols: I am not here to ask you market.....simply asking questions about debian |
| 18:52.06 | simonrvn | *plonk* |
| 18:52.15 | jelly-home | simonrvn: I bet you're not patriotic enough for Debian! |
| 18:52.28 | wols | piklu: you are offtopic here. please stop that |
| 18:52.40 | piklu | wols: gosh ok stopped |
| 18:52.54 | fred_and_me | hi |
| 18:53.01 | lrcaballero | wols: I am running gnome enviroment |
| 18:53.01 | simonrvn | jelly-home: probably not ;) |
| 18:53.05 | jelly-home | piklu: try asking in #debian-offtopic; this one here is a tech support channel above all |
| 18:53.07 | wols | lrcaballero: dpkg sebnt you a message |
| 18:53.09 | fred_and_me | is this the right channel to ask questions that are packaging related? |
| 18:53.19 | vallhalla | piklu: debian is a widly respected distro among many linux users even thosethat dont use i because the have moved to more advanced |
| 18:53.20 | wols | !tell lrcaballero about gnome-volume-manager |
| 18:53.20 | piklu | #debian-offtopic |
| 18:53.23 | wols | and now it did again |
| 18:53.52 | piklu | vallhalla: and whats more advanced |
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| 18:54.26 | vallhalla | piklu: gentoo for instance and it is not for those new to linux |
| 18:54.46 | piklu | vallhalla: compiling sources again and again sounds great ? |
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| 18:55.06 | simonrvn | oh please, some people say that about debian and that's how i started on linux-based oses |
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| 18:55.43 | vallhalla | simonrvn: very true even windows started that way people forget that |
| 18:55.43 | valdyn | we should say "advanced, not advanced ;) |
| 18:55.48 | valdyn | we should say "advanced", not advanced ;) |
| 18:56.00 | vallhalla | valdyn: point taken |
| 18:57.35 | darsie | Ohh, btw, is it simple to download a source package and compile it optimized for my PC and install that? |
| 18:58.27 | wols | !gentoosmite darsie |
| 18:58.27 | dpkg | spends 6 weeks recompiling darsie, and when it's all done, darsie runs 8% slower than previously |
| 18:58.28 | valdyn | !iyhtays |
| 18:58.28 | dpkg | If you have to ask, you shouldn't. |
| 18:58.30 | vallhalla | darsie: it can be depending on what you knw about bash |
| 18:58.35 | piklu | darsie: and errors, and errors and errors... |
| 18:58.47 | wols | darsie: you can, if you really want to, but in 99% of all cases it's not worth the effort |
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| 18:59.35 | wols | basically set your CC flags, and apt-get source download the package(s) to compile, then install them via dpkg |
| 18:59.47 | piklu | darsie: Recompiling makes no sense like that, people perhaps use Gentoo to become more specific in what they want, and that is what good linux users think about gentoo |
| 19:00.17 | macrobat | for compiling and stuff http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=38976 |
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| 19:05.49 | JairunCaloth | vallhalla: I disagree, I learned more in a month of using gentoo then I did using ubuntu for a year. |
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| 19:06.40 | JairunCaloth | I can't stand it as an everyday desktop. But it was a great learning experiance. |
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| 19:09.48 | vallhalla | JairunCaloth: disagree with what? |
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| 19:10.34 | JairunCaloth | gentoo not being good for those new to linux |
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| 19:11.25 | vallhalla | JairunCaloth: it is good to learn on but the install can be a bit daunting if you have never used linux before |
| 19:11.58 | vallhalla | JairunCaloth: also a good one to learn on is inx |
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| 19:12.45 | JairunCaloth | hrm, never heard of that one |
| 19:13.21 | vallhalla | you should take a look some time it is good fun |
| 19:13.39 | JairunCaloth | yeah, looking at it now. |
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| 19:13.51 | JairunCaloth | bout to download the livecd and stick it in a virtualizer |
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| 19:13.56 | vallhalla | JairunCaloth: oh and if you do try the sirius command its great |
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| 19:14.40 | JairunCaloth | alrighty thanks :) |
| 19:15.03 | vallhalla | JairunCaloth: using that going thrue it start to finish even the syuff you already know |
| 19:15.10 | vallhalla | it surprised me |
| 19:16.03 | piklu_ | says buddy exists |
| 19:16.09 | JairunCaloth | I'll check it out. Probably end up recommending it to some linux newbies at work. |
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| 19:17.35 | vallhalla | JairunCaloth: i try to pass it on to as many people as i can |
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| 19:18.13 | piklu_ | 8GB RAM + Xeon Quad Processor = Debian 64bit or 32Bit |
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| 19:18.52 | JairunCaloth | I'd go 64bit |
| 19:18.58 | jelly-home | for a server, go with 64bit |
| 19:18.58 | vallhalla | piklu_: 64 |
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| 19:19.05 | OpenTokix | piklu_: 64 ofc. |
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| 19:20.16 | trupheenix | tbsaunde, hi i figured out why my webcam doesn't work on skype. used a workaround to LD_PRELOAD v4l and it started working |
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| 19:20.34 | piklu_ | GOOD |
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| 19:34.13 | squisher | hey folks, I have a testing system that hasn't been updated in over a year. Any special advice before I run aptitude? |
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| 19:34.41 | vallhalla | squisher: back up files |
| 19:34.57 | vallhalla | just to be safe :) |
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| 19:37.33 | squisher | haha |
| 19:38.58 | themill | squisher: /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze |
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| 19:39.13 | squisher | thanks themill |
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| 19:47.29 | jelly-home | squisher: that's not funny at all! |
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| 19:48.07 | squisher | jelly-home, who said it was funny?? |
| 19:48.36 | jelly-home | you did |
| 19:49.30 | squisher | I was just laughing at the backup advice... |
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| 19:49.53 | jelly-home | and that's exactly what I think not to be funny at all |
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| 19:50.23 | squisher | meh, I don't feel like discussing the joke there - of course backups are essential |
| 19:50.56 | jelly-home | you're going to get 1-3GB new packages and the system is likely to break on that udev/kernel issue |
| 19:51.38 | jelly-home | !squeeze udev |
| 19:51.39 | dpkg | As of <udev> 150 in squeeze, Linux kernel 2.6.27 or newer is required (i.e. upgrade kernel and udev at the same time). If udev installation fails and you already have a squeeze kernel installed, then reboot into the new kernel and "aptitude -f install ; aptitude safe-upgrade" to continue. <squeeze kernel> <kernel abi>, or http://bugs.debian.org/571255 |
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| 19:52.27 | piklu | Ok, I want to participate in debian development, where is the proper channel ? |
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| 19:53.10 | darsie | piklu: get debian. |
| 19:53.19 | piklu | darsie: got it |
| 19:53.20 | piklu | lol |
| 19:53.22 | darsie | ahh |
| 19:53.24 | darsie | :) |
| 19:53.32 | piklu | i wanna contribute to graphics of debian |
| 19:53.37 | djura-san | back :) |
| 19:54.03 | tharkun | piklu: contribute and if your work is worth the effort you will eventually become a dd |
| 19:54.16 | piklu | dd? |
| 19:54.20 | squisher | jelly-home, ah got it... :-\ I would like to keep this system up and running. Any other advice for me? |
| 19:54.32 | darsie | piklu: fix some bugs: http://www.debian.org/Bugs/ |
| 19:55.07 | tharkun | piklu: debian developer |
| 19:55.09 | piklu | darsie: I wanna start with graphics....i mean adding designer graphics. |
| 19:56.03 | poisonbit | piklu, then you should try irc.debian.org and see teams channels instead of freenode |
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| 19:56.08 | darsie | Can't help you there. |
| 19:56.24 | jelly-home | squisher: that's probably the most visible current breakage for lenny->squeeze |
| 19:56.31 | Texou | hi |
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| 19:57.00 | themill | piklu: install the devscripts package and run "rc-alert" and "wnpp-alert" |
| 19:57.01 | squisher | crosses his fingers |
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| 19:57.34 | piklu | themill: what language is used for debian development ? |
| 19:58.33 | \amethyst | mostly Perl, sh, C, and C++ |
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| 19:58.41 | \amethyst | if you mean debian-specific things |
| 19:59.22 | poisonbit | piklu, C, shell and perl is mainly used for debian middleware of base system... |
| 19:59.28 | piklu | okay. |
| 19:59.48 | jelly-home | piklu: the web pages sorely need some designer love... they've needed it for the last 10 years ;-) |
| 19:59.51 | poisonbit | some packages depends on python (like openvpn ? and others) for debian scripts |
| 20:00.16 | infid | once i create a gpg keypair, do i have to cp the files in ~/.gnupg from my desktop to my laptop's ~/.gnupg dir, since generating a new keypair would make a different public key right? |
| 20:00.18 | poisonbit | jelly-home, but... how are changes acepted ? |
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| 20:00.30 | jelly-home | poisonbit: that, I have no idea |
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| 20:00.36 | jelly-home | possibly "not well" |
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| 20:00.57 | poisonbit | I mean, that most changes affect translation teams etc |
| 20:01.01 | Texou | is it normal that my syslog and daemon.log are nearly empty (i.e. my syslog only contains boot log). Most of messages are in auth.log or other logs but ... for instance I don't see at all my mail leaving. |
| 20:01.24 | poisonbit | so web site redesign should be born into the debian project |
| 20:01.41 | poisonbit | i think |
| 20:02.05 | boodie | Hi; I would like to get rid of all the unused kernel images in /boot ... are some of the previous images still partially used, or can I wipe them safely using apt? |
| 20:02.22 | poisonbit | Texou, your mail is not nor syslog neither daemon.log and about empty... rotated ? |
| 20:03.14 | squisher | jelly-home, sorry to bug you about this, but do you think it's safe to reboot into 2.6.32 with the totally outdated udev (0.125-7)? |
| 20:03.16 | sepult | boodie: use aptitude for that purpose, it has an extra menu for outdated and self made packages |
| 20:03.37 | sepult | boodie: which you can use for getting rid of old kernel's etc..., if it shows it to you i mean |
| 20:03.41 | Texou | poisonbit: what do you mean? I tried reportbug which sends via sendmail and I had no message about trafic. Maybe a mailer problem but I'm surprised with empty logfiles anyway |
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| 20:04.08 | jelly-home | squisher: I think so, yes, it's the other way round that doesn't work |
| 20:04.09 | poisonbit | /var/log/mail makes more sense than syslog |
| 20:04.19 | poisonbit | or xim4 if default |
| 20:04.22 | poisonbit | exim4 |
| 20:04.31 | squisher | right that makes sense |
| 20:05.32 | boodie | sepult: so the aptitude menu for obsolete packages gathers all stuff I can safely purge? |
| 20:05.32 | jelly-home | we do ahve lenny systems with .31 and .32 running at work |
| 20:05.32 | wols | ,versions udev |
| 20:05.32 | judd | udev -- etch: 0.105-4etch1; etch-security: 0.105-4etch1; lenny-security: 0.125-7+lenny1; lenny: 0.125-7+lenny3; sid: 154-1; squeeze: 154-1 |
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| 20:05.32 | wols | see how 0.125 is in lenny while 2.6.32 is a lenny backports kernel. so it will work fine |
| 20:05.38 | sepult | boodie: if you want to yes, you don't have to... |
| 20:05.44 | Texou | poisonbit: ok so according to you, it's normal that syslog is empty since logs are rotated in other files?why not but I ask because I remember a few time ago my syslog contained every system messages (USB plug-in, logins...). |
| 20:05.46 | squisher | thanks wols |
| 20:05.53 | sepult | boodie: you can select which ones you really want to get rid of |
| 20:06.17 | poisonbit | Texou, I do not say it es normal, I _asked_: rotated ? |
| 20:06.24 | poisonbit | :) |
| 20:07.00 | boodie | Well . just making room - in fact, as I boot, I have a page at least of kernels, with their safe-boot option |
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| 20:07.33 | Texou | poisonbit: mail.log is empty for instance. So probably not rotated. Besides, USB plug-ins only appear in dmesg. Then logins only appear in auth.log. |
| 20:07.51 | poisonbit | Texou, stat /var/log/file will give you some timestamp details |
| 20:08.01 | Texou | ok |
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| 20:08.23 | poisonbit | if the modified of empty files is in your sesion time... check your history about a posible pitfall empty the log |
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| 20:09.09 | piklu | jelly-home: i would love to do that, whats the best way to go ahead. |
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| 20:10.18 | poisonbit | Texou, if the file has been rotated by cron/anacron, messages should be on /var/log/syslog.1 |
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| 20:10.34 | boodie | sepult: thanks, I will try eliminating some |
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| 20:10.44 | Texou | ah |
| 20:11.14 | Texou | ah I believed it was backups syslog.0 .1 ... |
| 20:11.17 | jelly-home | piklu: you'll probably have to get involved with the web team, see #debian-www on irc.debian.org (the same as irc.oftc.net) |
| 20:11.34 | jelly-home | piklu: sadly I can't give more pointers |
| 20:11.40 | piklu | i am moving to them |
| 20:11.42 | piklu | np |
| 20:12.14 | poisonbit | Texou, a well point, then you should know that syslog does not get "empty" magically nor is normal that is being empty while other logs not |
| 20:12.26 | poisonbit | :) |
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| 20:13.43 | Texou | poisonbit: well that's why I'm worry. My syslog isn't empty but it seems logs don't go to it frop the end of boot process |
| 20:13.55 | Texou | from* |
| 20:14.40 | jelly-home | Texou: a few questions: is there any syslogd / rsyslog / syslog-ng process running? Are there any processes keeping files in /var/log/ open (fuser /var/log/*)? Is syslog one of those? |
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| 20:15.02 | poisonbit | mmm you can use logger to test it |
| 20:15.19 | Texou | I check |
| 20:15.54 | \amethyst | actually, syslog-ng in sid had a recent config change that causes very little to go to /var/log/syslog |
| 20:16.01 | squisher | yay, server booted again |
| 20:16.13 | jelly-home | catchall logs are useless anyway |
| 20:16.15 | jelly-home | hides |
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| 20:16.33 | chomwitt | hi. in squeeze trying to install a file from web i get a 'there is not enough space in /tmp' but du -h shows only 1mb size of tmp |
| 20:16.43 | bocaneri | Why is stuckey (~stuckey@medlar.feralhosting.com) banned? |
| 20:17.09 | poisonbit | Texou, logger -p DEBUG 'Hello log!'; tail -1 /var/log/syslog |
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| 20:18.03 | lindi- | chomwitt: mount? |
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| 20:18.29 | Texou | jelly-home: I have /sbin/syslogd running (marked Ss by ps). fuser /var/log/* doesn't display szslog (mail.* mails, Xorg, user.log, messages, lpr, debug, auth and kern). |
| 20:18.32 | Texou | poisonbit: I try |
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| 20:18.52 | chomwitt | lindi-: one moment |
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| 20:19.32 | deed02392 | How do I set the UTC time on my debian system? |
| 20:19.33 | jelly-home | Texou: can you pastebin the output of lsof -n -p PidOfSyslogdProcessHere |
| 20:19.38 | deed02392 | date --set only seems to change 'local time' |
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| 20:19.43 | poisonbit | Texou, /usr/sbin/rsyslogd !!! |
| 20:19.48 | Texou | poisonbit: logger -p DEBUG 'Hello log!'; tail -1 /var/log/syslog displays the last line of my syslog, it isn't Hello log! line |
| 20:19.57 | valdyn | !set the time |
| 20:19.58 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install <ntp> or <openntpd> to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. You may also need to run dpkg-reconfigure tzdata (lenny and later) or tzconfig (etch and earlier) to set the time zone, and verify the UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS prior. |
| 20:19.59 | chomwitt | lindi-: http://debian.pastebin.com/viGJZdMC |
| 20:20.02 | valdyn | deed02392: ^^ |
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| 20:20.20 | Texou | ok jelly-home |
| 20:20.27 | \amethyst | Texou: does your syslog config actually say to log things to /var/log/syslog ? |
| 20:20.32 | deed02392 | can I not do it without rebooting? |
| 20:20.49 | valdyn | deed02392: use date --set ... |
| 20:21.23 | poisonbit | and break your database |
| 20:21.25 | poisonbit | :) |
| 20:21.32 | \amethyst | deed02392: what do you mean when you say date --set doesn't change the UTC time? |
| 20:21.32 | piklu | jelly-home: seems like no body replies on debian-www |
| 20:21.34 | piklu | lol |
| 20:21.42 | \amethyst | deed02392: you mean it changes your timezone only? |
| 20:21.45 | \amethyst | that would be strange |
| 20:21.49 | deed02392 | valdyn, date -u -s, actually changes the time |
| 20:21.53 | deed02392 | the UTC time |
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| 20:21.56 | deed02392 | which is what I was after |
| 20:22.02 | valdyn | deed02392: thats nonsense |
| 20:22.07 | \amethyst | date -s also changes the UTC time |
| 20:22.08 | valdyn | deed02392: theres only one timer |
| 20:22.21 | \amethyst | it just treats the input time as a local time |
| 20:22.25 | jelly-home | piklu: depends on the timezones; idle there a few hours/days and be patient |
| 20:22.26 | valdyn | deed02392: -u just sets it from utc perspective |
| 20:22.32 | deed02392 | i have openntpd installed but it hasn't changed it |
| 20:22.32 | deed02392 | what's nonsense valdyn? |
| 20:22.35 | \amethyst | date -s '2010-05-31 16:22 UTC' |
| 20:22.57 | deed02392 | http://pastebin.com/8wMTy31m is what I did |
| 20:22.58 | \amethyst | err |
| 20:23.00 | valdyn | deed02392: because you cant change either without changing the other - theres only one timer |
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| 20:23.09 | jelly-home | deed02392: "utc" and "localtime" are just representations of the same system clock |
| 20:23.32 | deed02392 | well the UTC was wrong |
| 20:23.32 | deed02392 | so I wanted to fix that first |
| 20:23.38 | deed02392 | i am aware of that |
| 20:23.45 | xand | you don't need to fix both of them |
| 20:23.48 | deed02392 | i was saying, date -u gave the wrong time |
| 20:23.49 | deed02392 | i know |
| 20:23.55 | deed02392 | i only asked how to set the UTC time |
| 20:24.02 | deed02392 | not the local time |
| 20:24.02 | xand | it's not relevant |
| 20:24.09 | jelly-home | deed02392: oh, so you wanted to set utc time, then set the correct timezone? |
| 20:24.10 | xand | you just set the local one, you never need to set the UTC one |
| 20:24.32 | deed02392 | the timezone is wrong too |
| 20:24.32 | deed02392 | i'm just changing it |
| 20:24.39 | deed02392 | yes jelly-home exactly |
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| 20:24.54 | lindi- | chomwitt: your rootfs is full |
| 20:25.21 | lindi- | chomwitt: on bootup an emergency tmpfs was mounted on /tmp to permit you to login to the system |
| 20:25.52 | breedx | how can I tell if my xorg video driver is using acceleration? I'm pretty sure it isn't, but how can I check? |
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| 20:25.57 | chomwitt | lindi-: thanks !! |
| 20:26.04 | squisher | wow, safe-upgrade takes ~60 seconds to resolve... |
| 20:26.09 | valdyn | breedx: what kind of acceleration? |
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| 20:26.49 | breedx | valdyn: just general display acceleration -- 2d and 3d, the latter being opengl. |
| 20:26.53 | Texou | jelly-home: http://pastebin.com/YfiM9rjp poisonbit: what do you mean? I don't have rsyslogd. \amethyst my syslog.conf http://pastebin.com/vEDXSe7p |
| 20:27.09 | valdyn | breedx: you cant avoid having acceleration |
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| 20:27.33 | valdyn | breedx: you can have 3D acceleration not being functional |
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| 20:27.50 | valdyn | breedx: or you can be using the vesa driver which is slow, but also not totally without acceleration |
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| 20:28.03 | breedx | valdyn: maybe I should put this another way -- the display seems slower than it should be, compositing seems quite slow, glxgears has poor fps numbers, but all of that is anecdotal. |
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| 20:28.13 | jelly-home | Texou: eh, just restart it |
| 20:28.35 | Texou | jelly-home: ah? I've aready re-installed it |
| 20:28.37 | valdyn | breedx: compositing is done via opengl, not 2D in compiz |
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| 20:28.52 | valdyn | breedx: glxinfo | grep direct |
| 20:28.52 | Texou | via aptitude reinstall sysklogd |
| 20:29.11 | breedx | valdyn: direct rendering: Yes |
| 20:29.14 | jelly-home | Texou: /etc/init.d/sysklogd stop; pkill -9 syslogd; /etc/init.d/sysklogd start |
| 20:29.24 | breedx | valdyn: so that means that DRI is at least enabled and working, right? |
| 20:29.27 | Texou | ok |
| 20:29.28 | valdyn | breedx: glxinfo | grep renderer |
| 20:29.50 | jelly-home | Texou: reinstalling doesn't always mean the old processes got properly stopped |
| 20:29.59 | breedx | valdyn: opengl renderer string: Mesa DRI Intel (R) ...yadda yadda. |
| 20:30.05 | Texou | ah ok |
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| 20:30.21 | valdyn | breedx: is this on lenny? |
| 20:30.28 | valdyn | breedx: when did this "slowdown" occur? |
| 20:30.32 | breedx | valdyn: sid |
| 20:30.52 | breedx | valdyn: it's a new machine (thinkpad T410), so it's not a slowdown, but an initial setup. |
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| 20:31.04 | valdyn | breedx: compiz is always slow |
| 20:31.15 | valdyn | breedx: particularily resizing windows is slow |
| 20:31.42 | valdyn | breedx: while the expose view is usually fast |
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| 20:31.53 | breedx | valdyn: what is expose view? |
| 20:32.25 | Texou | jelly-home: ok seems to work since now my USB plug-ins work. but at next boot will it work you think? |
| 20:32.36 | valdyn | breedx: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expos%C3%A9_%28Mac_OS_X%29 |
| 20:32.57 | poisonbit | Texou, which debian version are you using? |
| 20:32.57 | jelly-home | Texou: I'm not sure what causes syslogd to get stuck like that |
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| 20:33.17 | Texou | poisonbit: lenny 5.0.4 |
| 20:33.26 | poisonbit | "The package rsyslog takes over as default system and kernel logging daemon for Debian 5.0, replacing syslogd and klogd." <-- release notes, also you have a howto purge one / install other in the debian wiki |
| 20:33.29 | breedx | valdyn: so I am using those effects in kde....they seem *ok*...not terribly fast. |
| 20:33.43 | Texou | sysklogd 1.5-5 |
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| 20:34.08 | valdyn | breedx: I cant say how it is in kde, i just know it sucks in compiz |
| 20:34.17 | poisonbit | Texou, http://wiki.debian.org/Rsyslog |
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| 20:34.44 | poisonbit | If you polan long live to that debian (i.e. upgrade on next release), you should change that |
| 20:34.46 | poisonbit | plan |
| 20:34.47 | valdyn | breedx: It's still like that on my nvidia gf260 anyhow. |
| 20:34.48 | Texou | ah ok |
| 20:35.03 | Texou | poisonbit: so I should replace sysklogd with rsyslog with lenny right? |
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| 20:35.15 | valdyn | breedx: so i cant tell if theres any way you could improve the situation |
| 20:35.17 | poisonbit | is the recomendation in the lenny release notes |
| 20:35.21 | poisonbit | :) |
| 20:35.25 | poisonbit | not mandatory |
| 20:35.27 | breedx | valdyn: yeah, I was hoping for something quantifyable. :) |
| 20:35.48 | Texou | poisonbit: ok didn't know that. I try immediately. Thanks |
| 20:35.59 | Texou | I let you informed |
| 20:36.04 | breedx | valdyn: my old machine has a geforce 6600GT and the animated desktop switching is quite noticeable faster than on this new machine. |
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| 20:36.30 | breedx | valdyn: and glxgears is like an order of magnitude slower. |
| 20:36.31 | Paddy_NI | Hi does the latest stable version of debian use grub2 by default? |
| 20:36.36 | valdyn | breedx: thats expected |
| 20:36.42 | sepult | no |
| 20:36.42 | Texou | poisonbit: bll the more I since I plan a very long life with Deb :) upgrade to squeeze when stable... |
| 20:36.58 | breedx | valdyn: really? |
| 20:36.58 | valdyn | breedx: glxgears is even faster on a gf 6800gt than on my gfgtx 260 |
| 20:37.02 | sepult | grub ist the default, grub2 even on testing is first asked to make it default or not |
| 20:37.07 | valdyn | breedx: so thats irrelevant |
| 20:37.09 | Texou | all* |
| 20:37.16 | Paddy_NI | sepult, Ah I see |
| 20:37.27 | breedx | valdyn: meh. :) |
| 20:37.28 | Paddy_NI | sepult, Thanks for clearing that up |
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| 20:37.46 | breedx | valdyn: thanks for the info (and reminding me about glxinfo) |
| 20:38.46 | valdyn | breedx: i dont have hopes that this situation will change before cairo-gl or somesuch |
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| 20:39.18 | breedx | valdyn: is it just that the drivers are out of date with the newer hardware or ?? |
| 20:39.40 | valdyn | breedx: no, it seems to be a design thing between composite and xorg |
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| 20:39.53 | valdyn | breedx: drivers have nothing to do with that problem |
| 20:40.08 | breedx | valdyn: ah. |
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| 20:41.19 | Texou | poisonbit: no particular settings for replacing sysklogd with rsyslog? |
| 20:41.42 | poisonbit | old config file format is compatible |
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| 20:42.22 | valdyn | breedx: anyway. any intel chipset should be an order of magnitude slower than your 6600gt ( despite glxgears being irrelevant ) |
| 20:42.47 | Texou | ok |
| 20:43.11 | Texou | poisonbit: and stupid question but... can a Debian live without any log (neither sysklog, nor rsyslog)? |
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| 20:43.24 | poisonbit | Texou, http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-whats-new.en.html <- Ctrl +f -> rsyslog |
| 20:43.36 | valdyn | Texou: why could it not? |
| 20:43.43 | breedx | valdyn: mainly because they're not geared for fast 3d stuff? |
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| 20:43.50 | Texou | valdyn: don't know. That's why I ask |
| 20:44.03 | Texou | poisonbit: is it the same thing with amd64? |
| 20:44.11 | poisonbit | edit the url :) |
| 20:44.18 | poisonbit | sure the same thing |
| 20:44.20 | Texou | ok |
| 20:44.27 | poisonbit | and no log... only on embeded systems |
| 20:44.34 | valdyn | breedx: very simple and cheap and power saving vs huge transistor count and expensive and power hungry =) |
| 20:44.38 | poisonbit | in a normal linux system, daemons wants logs |
| 20:44.44 | breedx | valdyn: fair 'nuff. :) |
| 20:44.47 | Texou | valdyn: guess there're security problems without log application :) |
| 20:45.01 | jelly-home | Texou: sure, but it makes things slightly harder to investigate and/or debug |
| 20:45.20 | nsadmin | any system can live without logs, it's just a matter of whether it's a good idea |
| 20:45.22 | Texou | ah ok I understand |
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| 20:45.42 | Texou | well i'll use a log so :) I need debugging servers sometimes |
| 20:45.58 | poisonbit | public servers has laws about log files |
| 20:46.29 | Texou | I dont have public server but I've smb and ssh |
| 20:48.02 | poisonbit | also to have or not to have a log file... daemon loglevels are configurable too |
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| 20:48.48 | poisonbit | i.e. sshd has SILENT, QUIET, FATAL, ERROR, INFO, VERBOSE, DEBUG, DEBUG1, DEBUG2, and DEBUG3. |
| 20:48.58 | Texou | yes |
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| 20:49.39 | Texou | thanks guy |
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| 20:50.08 | poisonbit | np |
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| 20:53.10 | blahdeblah | Hi. I'm trying to configure a bridge containing a bonded Ethernet interface, and when i try to bring up the bond interface it gives me the message: "Don't seem to be have all the variables for bond1/inet" (including the bad grammar!) |
| 20:53.17 | blahdeblah | If i add an address and a netmask to the bond interface, it comes up OK, but i want my IP on the bridge interface, not the bond interface. |
| 20:53.40 | blahdeblah | How i can bring up the bond interface without needing an IP? Here's my /etc/network/interfaces file: http://pastebin.com/fi8XLy1v |
| 20:53.41 | breedx | valdyn: I'm also a dork -- just realized that the animation speed for desktop switching was configured differently between the two machines...hence the noticeable difference. |
| 20:54.15 | breedx | valdyn: I think things are probably not as bad as I had suspected...but still will look for something tangible another time. |
| 20:54.18 | breedx | valdyn: thanks again. |
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| 20:59.28 | jhutchins_lt | blahdeblah: You're not saying what kind of environment you're trying to set the bridge up in - I presume some sort of VPN. My guess would be that you specify the same IP address. |
| 20:59.55 | jelly-home | bocaneri: I _think_ he'd been repeatedly asking questions simultaneoulsy in #debian on both freenode and oftc, which prompted an op to ask something like, did he really needed to to that, and when he said he didn't, he got silenced on one end only |
| 21:00.33 | blahdeblah | jhutchins_lt: I want the bridge for Xen VMs to attach to. I don't want any IP address at all on the bond interface. |
| 21:00.40 | bocaneri | Ah. He'd been asking about a problem with his DVDRW on debian testing; it works fine in Windows. |
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| 21:02.53 | jhutchins_lt | blahdeblah: As far as my knowledge of xen goes, that's controlled by xen. |
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| 21:03.07 | jhutchins_lt | I believe there is an #xen channel... |
| 21:03.24 | edwin_quijada | there is any app to administrator of DNS, bind9 |
| 21:03.31 | nsadmin | ed |
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| 21:04.06 | nsadmin | or if that's not your favorite text editor, nana? |
| 21:04.08 | jelly-home | joe! |
| 21:04.12 | jhutchins_lt | edwin_quijada: vi |
| 21:04.22 | poisonbit | edwin_quijada, if there is one (other than vi) packaged, sure the package manager can search for it |
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| 21:04.25 | edwin_quijada | I need something more graphic |
| 21:04.32 | nsadmin | why? |
| 21:04.36 | poisonbit | gvim ? |
| 21:04.38 | edwin_quijada | the client |
| 21:04.40 | jhutchins_lt | edwin_quijada: Nah, you're just editing text files. |
| 21:04.57 | edwin_quijada | wants something more graphic |
| 21:05.04 | jelly-home | vi or emacs with a red syntax theme, bloody, rather graphic |
| 21:05.08 | poisonbit | jhutchins_lt, nooo "avoiding manuals and promoving mouse intuition" |
| 21:05.08 | nsadmin | there actually is something, but you'll have to browse packages.debian.org to find it |
| 21:05.09 | cusco | gedit |
| 21:05.11 | cusco | kate |
| 21:05.12 | cusco | kwrite |
| 21:05.28 | jelly-home | edwin_quijada: how many domains/records are you planning to manage? |
| 21:05.50 | edwin_quijada | 150 or 180 |
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| 21:06.03 | jhutchins_lt | edwin_quijada: Because it's so simple, there really aren't any non-text approaches. Look at the big ISP's like NameSecure - all they have is a text editor in a window. |
| 21:06.17 | edwin_quijada | for domain controler with ldap i find one so good |
| 21:06.17 | jhutchins_lt | edwin_quijada: Even webmin uses a text window. |
| 21:06.25 | edwin_quijada | ldapadmin |
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| 21:06.48 | nsadmin | "domain controller" is something else |
| 21:06.54 | cusco | lol |
| 21:06.56 | edwin_quijada | yes , i know |
| 21:07.04 | edwin_quijada | just a comparison |
| 21:07.04 | poisonbit | if you want the blue pill, do not kiss, install a lamp in a dns server, etc: i see smbind - PHP-based tool for managing DNS zones for BIND |
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| 21:07.29 | edwin_quijada | ok |
| 21:07.37 | cusco | whats wrong with text? |
| 21:07.44 | edwin_quijada | the problem is I am not the administrator |
| 21:07.48 | Texou | thanks guys it seems to work better. I added a new step for my next upgrade to squeeze :) |
| 21:07.49 | poisonbit | I currently have 2 bind with over 200 internal domains, and all is done by vi or sh, and the same for 2 djbdns I've |
| 21:08.00 | edwin_quijada | and the people here are windowzers :( |
| 21:08.00 | t0d0r | edwin_quijada: then hire one |
| 21:08.27 | poisonbit | edwin_quijada, then let them use windows |
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| 21:08.44 | cusco | he means: the adminitrator uses windows |
| 21:09.00 | poisonbit | ok, so let the administrator use windows |
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| 21:09.04 | edwin_quijada | yes |
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| 21:09.21 | cusco | and the administratro can't be bothered with sh or nano or vi |
| 21:09.22 | pipeline | djbdns doesn't have long for this world: no "official" ipv6 support |
| 21:09.51 | t0d0r | cusco: need right click |
| 21:10.06 | cusco | t0d0r: yep |
| 21:10.09 | pipeline | poisonbit, cusco : no web-based tool should ever be trusted with something as important as DNS. If editing zone files directly via wordpad/notepad is not an option, probably best to use a windows DNS server that pushes zone updates to BIND. |
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| 21:10.31 | edwin_quijada | uhmm |
| 21:10.38 | edwin_quijada | i dont think so |
| 21:10.52 | edwin_quijada | with ldap I did a really good job |
| 21:10.57 | edwin_quijada | with this tools |
| 21:11.15 | poisonbit | pipeline, ipv6... neither dnssec |
| 21:11.33 | pipeline | poisonbit: oh yes another thing on djb's shit list |
| 21:11.46 | poisonbit | it was a good software for years |
| 21:12.03 | poisonbit | I'm not the person who can call that code shit :) |
| 21:12.12 | pipeline | I'll happily call it shit |
| 21:12.18 | poisonbit | xD |
| 21:12.27 | pipeline | conformance to standards is much more important than writing good code |
| 21:12.32 | pipeline | it can be the purest, lilly-white C on earth |
| 21:12.42 | pipeline | but if it sprays garbage on your filesystem and fails to meet standards for feature sets, it's useless shit |
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| 21:13.22 | poisonbit | all people uses bind http://poisonbit.wordpress.com/2009/04/15/domain-name-servers-and-20/ |
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| 21:14.54 | jhutchins_lt | edwin_quijada: There are some things that you really don't want people messing with if all they know is Windows and GUI's. You need to just say "No, the person who manages this MUST know what they're doing". |
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| 21:15.39 | poisonbit | a sysadmin has to learn new things every days |
| 21:16.19 | lindi- | poisonbit: is editing zone files directly really very safe? it's difficult to generate machine readable revision history at least |
| 21:16.20 | jhutchins_lt | edwin_quijada: With ldap, all you mess up is the internal directory. People can't log in. |
| 21:16.45 | jhutchins_lt | edwin_quijada: With DNS, you make it so people can't even get to the machine. If all they know how to use is a GUI, they aren't going to be able to fix it if they mess it up. |
| 21:16.48 | poisonbit | lindi-, roolback scripts, git, etc-keeper, svn, etc... |
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| 21:17.33 | nsadmin | lindi: cp |
| 21:17.40 | poisonbit | lindi-, all linux configuration is really the same |
| 21:17.48 | lindi- | poisonbit: yes but can you do reasoning like "send email to everyone who have modified host foo in december"? |
| 21:17.49 | chops1 | Does anyone know how to use PAM to "hard-code" a home directory of /home/(username)? |
| 21:18.03 | lindi- | poisonbit: we can improve |
| 21:18.28 | lindi- | chops1: huh? |
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| 21:18.32 | chops1 | I have PAM providing user auth from an LDAP directory, but I'd prefer to just configure PAM to use that as opposed to putting all the /home/blah entries into a new field in the LDAP directory (which is what pam_ldap seems to want me to do). |
| 21:19.06 | chops1 | lindi-: Does that make it make sense, or is it still not clear what I'm asking? :-) |
| 21:19.51 | poisonbit | chops1, what do you want? the () around username? /home/user is the default |
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| 21:21.30 | chops1 | poisonbit: Oh, so if I don't do anything special it will do /home/user even if nothing of that sort is in LDAP? That's exactly what I want to happen; I just thought I'd have to do extra in order for it to happen. |
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| 21:22.56 | poisonbit | by default, pam will authenticate the user (using ldap) and i think you need some hack only to create the home if the user has never loged in before |
| 21:23.08 | poisonbit | let me review an old machine I have |
| 21:23.14 | chops1 | poisonbit: Yeah, I see the bit about creating the homedir, that I understand |
| 21:23.16 | pipeline | the hack to create the home directory is a pam module also |
| 21:23.19 | pipeline | pam_mkhomedir maybe ? |
| 21:23.28 | poisonbit | yup pam_mkhomedir.so |
| 21:23.34 | pipeline | however |
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| 21:23.40 | pipeline | you really should extend your LDAP directory |
| 21:23.44 | poisonbit | you need to add the module to /etc/pam.d/common-session |
| 21:23.47 | chops1 | poisonbit: I'm concerned about setting $HOME in the first place. I'll try just doing nothing and see if PAM comes up with /home/user |
| 21:23.47 | pipeline | there's a standard set of schema extensions that handle the UNIX fields |
| 21:23.51 | pipeline | and most LDAP-using applications expect them |
| 21:24.26 | pipeline | chops1: rfc2307 is the standard for storing UNIX data in your LDAP directory |
| 21:24.33 | pipeline | chops1: if possible it would be wise to extend your schema |
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| 21:24.58 | pipeline | chops1: If it's windows, extending the schema is mandatory: if you have a single 2008 dc, the install process will *force* a schema update that includes rfc 2307 attributes. |
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| 21:25.14 | pipeline | chops1: that is, a 2008 dc in a 2000 or 2003 domain. You don't have to be at 2008 functional level |
| 21:25.18 | chops1 | pipeline: Hm, that's not totally straightforward for me... I'm authenticating against an Active Directory server which users are created in by a proprietary application. I won't claim it's impossible to set things up so the UNIX-expected fields are there, but it'll definitely be difficult. |
| 21:25.28 | pipeline | chops1: the fields are probably there already |
| 21:25.38 | chops1 | pipeline: Oh, so a 2008 DC should already have the right fields? What fields would I look for to see? |
| 21:25.39 | pipeline | chops1: if they're not there now, they'll be there pretty soon, when you start to get 2008 DCs. |
| 21:26.06 | pipeline | chops1: read the RFC, it lists all the attributes. http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc2307.html |
| 21:26.07 | jelly-home | chops1: 2008 or 2008 R2? |
| 21:26.12 | chops1 | I think I'm at 2008 functional level in any case (also, I fully expect to be asked to move to #windows at some point soon :-) |
| 21:26.22 | poisonbit | bookmarks |
| 21:26.24 | chops1 | jelly-home: One sec |
| 21:26.48 | pipeline | chops1: something to bear in mind -- when you open "ad users and computers", you won't see a tab for the RFC 2307 attributes unless you install the rigth doowhatsit |
| 21:26.54 | chops1 | jelly-home: Oh, NM, it's 2003 R2. |
| 21:27.03 | pipeline | chops1: you have to install SFU/SUA to see the tab that has the RFC 2307 attributes |
| 21:27.22 | pipeline | chops1: even if it is 2003, as soon as there's a single 2008 DC, the schema update will be pushed to add 2307 extensions globally |
| 21:27.24 | chops1 | pipeline: I installed SFU once. I don't plan to again if I can at all avoid it. It honestly seemed like a trap designed to scare people away from Unix. |
| 21:27.54 | jelly-home | chops1: it comes with 2008 and win 7 enterprise by default |
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| 21:28.05 | pipeline | chops1: you don't actually have to use/install those components though... all you need is the NIS shit *installed*, not configured, to get you the extra tab in the management widget. The attributes are there regardless, but you can't see or edit them without the extra knob. |
| 21:28.29 | pipeline | chops1: obviously if you use a standard LDAP client you can read/edit the 2307 attributes. I'm just talking about the "users and computers" widget. |
| 21:28.34 | poisonbit | MS: your potential, our passion |
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| 21:28.36 | s1uck3y | Hi all |
| 21:28.40 | jelly-home | was pleasantly surprised to be able to mount nfs with a proper mount command (and showmount, and rpcinfo) in windows |
| 21:29.21 | s1uck3y | I'm unable to mount dvds/cds. I get output in dmesg like: http://paste.debian.net/75610/ |
| 21:29.50 | s1uck3y | I use mount /dev/sr0 to mount and it says: http://paste.debian.net/75611/ |
| 21:30.04 | jelly-home | s1uck3y: are you still asking in two #debian channels at the same time, of have you lost that habit? |
| 21:30.29 | s1uck3y | Sorry, I've lost the habit. I'll login to the other one and ask there too. |
| 21:31.03 | jelly-home | please don't, let you be ban-enforced |
| 21:31.08 | jelly-home | lest* |
| 21:31.25 | s1uck3y | Oh, is that against the rules? |
| 21:31.31 | s1uck3y | Why are there two channels then? |
| 21:31.31 | jelly-home | definitely yes |
| 21:31.43 | s1uck3y | And you're the sherrif around these parts huh? |
| 21:31.53 | jelly-home | no, but I know one ;-) |
| 21:31.55 | s1uck3y | You got to keep law in order on the interwebs. |
| 21:32.49 | s1uck3y | There isn't anything wrong with asking on two different channels. There wouldn't be different channels if that was the case silly! |
| 21:32.59 | jelly-home | got to keep civil; and makeing people spend their time when you already got an answer from someplace else, isn't |
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| 21:33.16 | jelly-home | s1uck3y: yes, but in sequence; not in parallel |
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| 21:34.01 | jelly-home | I'm stopping now with the rules rant |
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| 21:36.08 | jelly-home | s1uck3y: is that a dvd with a single region setting? |
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| 21:36.36 | s1uck3y | any and all DVDs/CDs |
| 21:36.38 | s1uck3y | (sometimes) |
| 21:36.52 | s1uck3y | Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. I don't see anything correlated with the times it works and the times it doesn't. |
| 21:37.04 | jelly-home | well, "sr 2:0:0:0: [sr0] Add. Sense: Read of scrambled sector without authentication" sounds not like a typical read error |
| 21:37.11 | s1uck3y | It always works in windoze though (with the same devices/disks) |
| 21:37.47 | s1uck3y | It doesn't work with CDs or burnt DVDs/CDs |
| 21:37.54 | s1uck3y | nothing works, not just movie dvd disks |
| 21:38.09 | jelly-home | uname -r? |
| 21:38.17 | s1uck3y | 2.6.32-amd64 |
| 21:38.27 | jelly-home | there's a number missing in there |
| 21:39.04 | chops1 | pipeline, jelly-home: Okay, I don't yet have the RFC 2307 attributes. So if I install SFU on the PDC I'll get them? Are there any potential problems that installing SFU could cause? |
| 21:39.18 | s1uck3y | 2.6.32-3-amd64 |
| 21:39.26 | jelly-home | s1uck3y: I've also seen linux behaving badly with dvds on a laptop of mine where the same machine in xp does it with no issues |
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| 21:39.43 | s1uck3y | it's a kernel bug that seems not to be getting priority |
| 21:39.49 | s1uck3y | maybe it only affects a certain type of drive |
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| 21:39.56 | jelly-home | s1uck3y: dunno what to say except it's obviously an upstream issue, yes |
| 21:39.59 | abrotman | s1uck3y: are you evading the ban that themill placed on you? |
| 21:40.09 | runix__ | heyas. I'm almost sure that apt-get used to download files in parallel when different hosts where available; in my install, I have 4 different deb sources but apt downloads only from one of those sources |
| 21:40.38 | jelly-home | abrotman: he is, but the states he's not perusing the methods that lead to that ban any more |
| 21:40.40 | abrotman | runix__: only if the sources have different packages |
| 21:40.48 | jelly-home | s/the/he/ |
| 21:41.24 | jelly-home | abrotman: namely, parallel queries in #d on oftc and here |
| 21:41.33 | abrotman | i know what he's guitly of :) |
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| 21:42.23 | abrotman | though, that original ban is sitll in place |
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| 21:42.44 | runix__ | abrotman: ah. interesting. is that a bug or a feature? |
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| 21:43.16 | abrotman | runix__: NFC, always been that way AFAIK |
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| 21:44.56 | themill | s1uck3y: not only that, so instead you're asking in #debian and #ubuntu at the same time. Are you just really really thick or are you deliberately being a moron? |
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| 21:45.18 | abrotman | has a guess |
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| 21:46.36 | dbbolton | what live CD can i use to install grub2 to my hard drive, if i only have 128mb ram? |
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| 21:47.58 | sundaysatan | can anyone tell me how an operating system knows where its directories are |
| 21:48.10 | sundaysatan | and if those directories can be remote |
| 21:48.54 | |darsie| | sundaysatan: the linux kernel gets told about the root device and the mounts further file systems from /etc/fstab. |
| 21:49.20 | poisonbit | dbatbold, http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/current-live/i386/iso-cd/debian-live-504-i386-standard.iso ? |
| 21:49.31 | poisonbit | ^^^ dbbolton sorry |
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| 21:49.55 | sundaysatan | cool thanks, hat about freeBSD |
| 21:50.00 | sundaysatan | what* |
| 21:50.01 | abrotman | ask #freebsd |
| 21:50.03 | i5513 | hi people, |
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| 21:50.11 | sundaysatan | won't let me in! |
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| 21:50.18 | darsie | sundaysatan: this is the #debian channel. |
| 21:50.19 | abrotman | sundaysatan: /msg nickserv help .. you hae to register |
| 21:50.22 | abrotman | have |
| 21:50.22 | i5513 | Do you know if it is possible to blacklist a module on the fly ? |
| 21:50.28 | abrotman | you can just unload it |
| 21:50.29 | sundaysatan | ah |
| 21:50.37 | i5513 | or we have to reboot the system to do it ? |
| 21:50.49 | abrotman | sundaysatan: or ask ##freebsd |
| 21:51.00 | dbbolton | poisonbit: so the lenny cd does have grub2 then |
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| 21:51.34 | poisonbit | dbbolton, i don't know, but you can install packages from debian live (into ram) or download the .deb to the target system, chroot into, etc |
| 21:52.30 | dbbolton | poisonbit: well actually the target system isn't debian. i just wanted a debian-based live cd |
| 21:52.31 | poisonbit | the advantage is that the -standard will boot in that amount of ram and has the same kernel that your debian system |
| 21:52.36 | poisonbit | ah |
| 21:53.36 | dbbolton | i'll try the standard live disc. i'm sure i will find some use for it eventually |
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| 21:54.19 | poisonbit | there is also a "rescue" version in the same url |
| 21:54.51 | poisonbit | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/current-live/i386/iso-cd/debian-live-504-i386-rescue.iso.packages |
| 21:55.04 | poisonbit | both are with grub, no grub2 in the livecd |
| 21:55.22 | poisonbit | but live system accepts package changes in ram (apt works) |
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| 21:57.29 | lindi- | sudo lh_config -b usb-hdd -p rescue -p "grub2" && sudo lh_build creates a debian live-usb-stick with grub2 |
| 21:58.01 | resmo | Hi |
| 21:58.07 | poisonbit | cool |
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| 21:58.24 | lindi- | "-b iso" if you really prefer CD-ROM |
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| 21:58.35 | resmo | Is there any tool to help extending control files (for building deb package afterwards) ? |
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| 21:58.57 | poisonbit | vi ? |
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| 22:03.48 | tharkun | If i have stable installed how do i find the dependencies of a package in an other release? |
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| 22:04.45 | themill | tharkun: packages.debian.org |
| 22:05.05 | tharkun | themill: i was acutally looking for some cli :( |
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| 22:05.08 | tharkun | but thx anyway |
| 22:05.12 | broy_ | http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages#search_packages |
| 22:05.13 | rtubio | hello |
| 22:05.13 | themill | tharkun: or use the judd bot here, /msg judd depends $package --release $release --arch $arch |
| 22:05.43 | broy_ | tharkun: for what? picocom?! |
| 22:06.11 | aixoft | ghost |
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| 22:06.40 | rtubio | segmentation fault either as a result of "Xorg :1 -configure" or of "Xorg -configure" in single user mode, what should I do? Should I debug XOrg? (system: squeeze up-to-date, 2.6.32-3, x86) |
| 22:06.48 | darsie | tharkun: I have several releases in sources.list, 'APT::Default-Release "testing";' in apt.conf and then do aptitude -t unstable package. |
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| 22:07.17 | lindi- | rtubio: debugging Xorg enough to report a bug should not be that hard |
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| 22:07.58 | tharkun | darsie: as a friend of mine says, "I will not poke at sources.list unless i am willing to upgrade distros. Else i might end up in between distro hell" |
| 22:08.16 | rtubio | really'? I though it would be really hard... ok, I will; however, how can I get a xorg.conf without using "Xorg -configure"? (I know that should be quite difficult but have to try!) |
| 22:09.10 | deed02392 | I am getting an 'EADDRNOTAVAIL' error. I have checked the IP is correct, the port is closed according to netstat and nmap. What else could it be? |
| 22:09.22 | lindi- | rtubio: "gdb --args Xorg :1 -configure" then "run" and when it crashes type "bt" |
| 22:09.34 | darsie | rtubio: You could 'man xorg.conf' |
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| 22:11.37 | rtubio | ok, but i don't think that Xorg has been compiled with debugging options... |
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| 22:12.10 | traskmind | Does anyone know where I can find the Debian "start page" that someone on the planet created for personal use and posted? |
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| 22:12.30 | valdyn | !channel log |
| 22:12.44 | traskmind | Nevermind, just found it @ http://start.debian.net |
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| 22:12.48 | tharkun | !log |
| 22:12.48 | dpkg | Logs are what you should always check when you have a problem. They live in /var/log/ |
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| 22:15.51 | crocket | slackware is obviously driving me crazy. |
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| 22:16.10 | crocket | I think I have to build packages for slackware or it would be harder to maintain slackware. |
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| 22:16.39 | abrotman | crocket: hi, this is #debian |
| 22:16.44 | crocket | yeah |
| 22:16.55 | crocket | And I consider just transferring to debian |
| 22:17.03 | abrotman | okay |
| 22:17.04 | tharkun | Feeling remorse to rant on #slackware? |
| 22:17.09 | crocket | Debian has a low hurdle for getting things done. |
| 22:17.12 | deed02392 | Is there any way to debug a program in debian? It's giving me EADDRNOTAVAIL but I want to see what it's trying to bind on... |
| 22:17.27 | valdyn | deed02392: strace |
| 22:17.46 | crocket | Ubuntu is too bleeding edge, and debian is the only sane way for normal users. |
| 22:17.49 | rtubio | lindi- : no way to debug with gdb |
| 22:18.02 | deed02392 | do you know what switches I'll need for this check valdyn? |
| 22:18.04 | rtubio | since Xorg has to be compiled with debug flags, the one included in the distribution is not |
| 22:18.38 | valdyn | deed02392: you dont need switches, you only need to find the error EADDRNOTAVAIL in the trace, I think |
| 22:18.59 | infid | once i create a gpg key-pair on my debian desktop, do i have to cp the files in ~/.gnupg from my desktop to my laptop's ~/.gnupg dir to use it on my laptop, or do you import it to the other keyring? |
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| 22:19.31 | deed02392 | thanks valdyn, lots for me to look at now |
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| 22:22.37 | tharkun | themill: thx got the numbers i needed |
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| 22:24.24 | darsie | infid: I'd ascii export them and import them on the other machine. |
| 22:25.03 | darsie | infid: But if you have no other keys on your other machine, copying the files might work, too. |
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| 22:26.48 | infid | thanks |
| 22:27.19 | infid | looks like you have to export and import them one at a time instead of the keypair at once |
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| 22:34.02 | djura-san | im off. have a nice chat. night people :) |
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| 22:37.08 | acu_ | I never did minimum install - where can I do that ? - I want to install debian squeeze ? |
| 22:37.34 | acu_ | what should I choose at installer screen for squeeze to do a minumum install ? |
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| 22:40.52 | acu_ | hey is anyone awake ? |
| 22:41.12 | rtubio | yes... me, but I might be not very useful... |
| 22:42.14 | acu_ | :) rtubio, you will become soon - be persistent |
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| 22:43.24 | darsie | is barely awake |
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| 22:44.12 | darsie | acu_: you can try #debian@irc.debian.org |
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| 22:45.17 | VadimCK | i can probably help out, what's the problem? |
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| 22:45.21 | acu_ | darsie: thanks - indeed is deceiveingly quiet in here - |
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| 22:45.27 | acu_ | VadimCK the MAN |
| 22:45.54 | acu_ | I just want to install the simplest debian - no GUI - no KDE or GNOME - i have squeeze netinstall |
| 22:46.13 | acu_ | what should I choose during installation |
| 22:46.20 | thb|Ou7 | buscar um filme ali! |
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| 22:46.47 | darsie | acu_: I guess, install minimum lenny, then change sources.list to squeeze and aptitude dist-upgrade. |
| 22:47.06 | VadimCK | that ^ |
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| 22:47.45 | acu_ | darsie: thanks - I want a clean squeeze :) it should be simple |
| 22:47.54 | VadimCK | when you're installing and get to this screen http://www.linuxjournal.com/ufiles/debian_netinstall.png just tick the standard system box |
| 22:48.01 | VadimCK | couldnt be sweeter |
| 22:48.06 | darsie | I heard there was an issue with kernel and udev upgrade or so being difficult. |
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| 22:48.41 | VadimCK | i upgraded a desktop lenny to squeeze the other day, went fairly smoothly |
| 22:48.54 | darsie | ok |
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| 22:51.34 | deed02392 | I've got Etc/UTC in my /etc/timezone file, what's this doing here? |
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| 22:56.22 | g00se | I can't seem to delete a file and cannot for the life of me see why not: http://paste.ubuntu.com/442240/ |
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| 23:01.32 | darsie | g00se: there's #ubuntu as well, if you use ubuntu. |
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| 23:04.53 | riza | Hello. Quick question, is there a place on where I can read where Debian got her name from? |
| 23:05.19 | darsie | It's from Deborah an Ian, the founders of Debian. |
| 23:05.56 | cusco | wikipedia should say |
| 23:05.57 | ewindisch | well, Deborah was his fiancee at the time, afaik, she wasn't technical. |
| 23:06.02 | darsie | And your answer is: Yes :) |
| 23:06.36 | darsie | she was probably supportive :) |
| 23:06.52 | raboof | ;) |
| 23:07.07 | riza | Amazing. |
| 23:07.08 | ewindisch | and you should actually know this story, unlike myself, so that when you do happen to bump into Ian, you don't make a fool of yourself by mispronouncing 'Debian' ;-) |
| 23:07.49 | Appetite | ewindisch: how can you mispronounce it? |
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| 23:07.54 | riza | I use another flavor, forgive me, but I only ask becuase I am trying to gain a better understanding of Linux. I'm trying to obtain all the Linux certificates out there and I want to know more about it. |
| 23:08.00 | riza | Thanks tho. :D |
| 23:08.02 | ewindisch | "I've been running Debian since Hamm, but I still can't pronounce it right. Oh, and I got *your* name wrong too. I'm just making sure you think I'm a tool ;-)" |
| 23:08.23 | darsie | De:bian should be wrong, while Debi:an should be right, IMHO. |
| 23:08.24 | ewindisch | ^-- me last year, when meeting Ian for the first time |
| 23:08.50 | Appetite | ewindisch: how did you pronounce it, lol |
| 23:09.06 | ewindisch | Appetite, I was saying, "Day-be-in". I blame Philadelphia. |
| 23:09.13 | Appetite | haha |
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| 23:11.39 | ewindisch | Appetite, its okay though, because by that point, Sun had already eaten his soul. :P |
| 23:11.57 | raboof | darsie: yeah, though i pronounce it more like 'Deb:i:an' (emphasis on Deb, e as in Debra not zebra) |
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| 23:12.46 | raboof | anyway, 'no matter how you pronounce it, just have fun using it :)' |
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| 23:13.36 | darsie | "Hi! I am Linus Torvalds and I pronounce Linux as Leenux." |
| 23:13.38 | Appetite | raboof: deb eh an? |
| 23:13.54 | project2501b | ok, this is messed up: file reports this binfile as 'print: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.0.0, not stripped |
| 23:13.55 | project2501b | " |
| 23:14.02 | raboof | Appetite: yeah |
| 23:14.08 | project2501b | but when i try to run it, bash says "cannot find file" |
| 23:14.27 | Appetite | project2501b: i've had that issue before, i'm going to listen closesly for the answers in here ;p |
| 23:14.47 | raboof | project2501b: how do you try to run it? './print' ? |
| 23:14.52 | darsie | project2501b: try ./ prepending to it. |
| 23:14.52 | project2501b | yeah |
| 23:15.00 | project2501b | raboof: ./print |
| 23:15.08 | project2501b | and i gave it the abs path as well |
| 23:15.10 | project2501b | no banana |
| 23:15.10 | ewindisch | project2501b, for "GNU/Linux 2.0.0" ? What version of libc is that linked to? |
| 23:15.10 | darsie | make it executable |
| 23:15.29 | darsie | ohh, cannot find file it is ... |
| 23:15.32 | Appetite | darsie: that shouldn't be the error message for a non executable file |
| 23:15.39 | project2501b | ewindisch: ldd says "not a dynamic executable" |
| 23:15.43 | Appetite | darsie: permission denied is if you dont have the executable bit |
| 23:15.47 | darsie | yep |
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| 23:15.54 | darsie | is tired |
| 23:16.03 | raboof | project2501b: perhaps it runs and outputs 'cannot find file' itself? |
| 23:16.15 | ErNci | hey is there anyway to run flash, as standalone? when I download it, I seem to only get libflashplayer.so ? |
| 23:16.18 | Appetite | raboof: i've had the problem before too |
| 23:16.52 | ewindisch | technically, ldd *does* run it too. which is why bad/incorrect/missing libraries can break ldd, especially if it is glibc |
| 23:16.52 | squisher | project2501b, what arch are you on? |
| 23:16.52 | darsie | my bash says: "bash: euoeu: command not found" |
| 23:17.02 | project2501b | squisher: x64 |
| 23:17.03 | raboof | Appetite: i've seen something similar with scripts that have an invalid #! line - that can't be what's wrong here though |
| 23:17.03 | squisher | I've seen that issue when trying to run a 32bit binary on a 64bit system |
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| 23:17.10 | ewindisch | project2501b, how *old* is this binary? I"m getting an impression ... |
| 23:17.13 | squisher | project2501b, what _debian_ version? |
| 23:17.14 | Appetite | raboof: ah, that would make sense.. |
| 23:17.17 | project2501b | raboof: if that was the case, strings print would come out with the message |
| 23:17.24 | Appetite | the kernel may be reporting that the interpreter isn't found |
| 23:17.34 | project2501b | ewindisch: probably quite old, since it says it was compiled against 386 |
| 23:17.53 | squisher | project2501b, uname -a says? |
| 23:18.04 | ewindisch | project2501b, well, the "2.0.0" is most concerning to me, but there might be valid reasons for that too, I suspect |
| 23:18.10 | Mooloo | hi guys. i have an audio problem, i thinks it's permission based. i type cat /dev/snd/hwC0D0 and get permission denied, but is crw-rw----+, and i am in group audio. any ideas? |
| 23:18.18 | project2501b | squisher: Linux allele 2.6.26-2-amd64 #1 SMP Wed Aug 19 22:33:18 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 23:18.19 | Mooloo | i don't know what the c and + mean anyway, though |
| 23:18.20 | Tramp | project2501b: afaik you need compatibility-libraries to run a 32bit program on a 64bit system |
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| 23:18.41 | squisher | project2501b, yeah, 32bit vs 64bit - you're lacking compat binaries as Tramp suggests |
| 23:18.54 | squisher | to be exact, you're running a 64bit kernel |
| 23:18.56 | ewindisch | first place to start. |
| 23:19.00 | project2501b | ewindisch: /lib/ld-linux.so.2 |
| 23:19.01 | project2501b | __gmon_start__ |
| 23:19.01 | project2501b | libm.so.6 |
| 23:19.01 | project2501b | libc.so.6 |
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| 23:19.06 | crocket | Is making a deb package easy? |
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| 23:19.09 | project2501b | oops |
| 23:19.10 | project2501b | sorry |
| 23:19.12 | ewindisch | worst-case, you debootstrap an older i386 debian install and run from a chroot |
| 23:19.17 | project2501b | hmmmm |
| 23:19.37 | project2501b | what's the 32bit lib package name? |
| 23:19.51 | ewindisch | project2501b, oh, looks like you have an official kernel, but do note that you can also compile 32-bit support out of the kernel as ewll |
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| 23:20.07 | ewindisch | ia32-libs |
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| 23:20.50 | project2501b | danke |
| 23:21.22 | project2501b | lets see |
| 23:21.32 | darsie | bitte :) |
| 23:21.45 | project2501b | man, virginmedia dropped their debian mirror :( |
| 23:21.57 | ewindisch | again, worst case: "apt-get install debootstrap schroot; debootstrap --arch i386 etch /mnt/path" etc.. |
| 23:22.03 | deed02392 | I've got Etc/UTC in my /etc/timezone file, what's this doing here? |
| 23:22.03 | deed02392 | How can I get my system time to use just UTC or local time? I'm getting conflicting advice everywhere |
| 23:22.19 | project2501b | ewindisch: can't. it's part of a larger bioinformatics package |
| 23:22.28 | project2501b | it (stupidly) runs as cgi |
| 23:22.56 | ewindisch | project2501b, you could put a wrapper around it. anyway, you shouldn't have to get to that point |
| 23:23.12 | project2501b | yay! |
| 23:23.23 | project2501b | ia32-libs did it :D |
| 23:23.25 | project2501b | i wuv you all |
| 23:23.33 | project2501b | have a stallman eating some toejam! |
| 23:25.27 | Mooloo | how is it possible i get permission denied on a device if my group clearly has access? |
| 23:25.59 | darsie | Mooloo: If you just added yourself to the group you may need to relogin. |
| 23:26.31 | Mooloo | no, it's been like this forever |
| 23:26.51 | project2501b | MooLoo are you sure? |
| 23:27.03 | project2501b | is it your machine or do other people have root access? |
| 23:27.10 | darsie | infinitely beyond the big bang :) |
| 23:27.11 | project2501b | what type of device is it? |
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| 23:28.22 | astruasdh | please, guys. I'm in a x86 machine. With debootstrap, can I isntall a fresh debian system for arm achitecture? |
| 23:28.29 | Mooloo | i am sure |
| 23:28.37 | Mooloo | it's my machine, i have root |
| 23:28.42 | Mooloo | it's a pretty old install |
| 23:28.44 | g00se | darsie: Nah - never use Ubuntu ;) |
| 23:29.08 | Mooloo | i mean, not old packages, but installed a long time ago |
| 23:29.32 | Mooloo | if i do su -c "cat /dev/snd/whatever" pulse it works |
| 23:29.37 | Mooloo | but not for my user |
| 23:29.39 | darsie | g00se: You got lag :). Still, dunno why you can't delete that. |
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| 23:29.49 | project2501b | *yawn* |
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| 23:30.04 | project2501b | 150tb over 10gbit |
| 23:30.08 | project2501b | that will take a week |
| 23:30.30 | darsie | project2501b: try snail mail. |
| 23:30.54 | project2501b | yeah, i was thinking maybe i should just go rip the hard drives from one SAN and move them to the other |
| 23:31.50 | project2501b | ... but then i look out of my window and it's just sand, heat and humidity |
| 23:32.09 | darsie | project2501b: Where are you? |
| 23:32.39 | darsie | Here in Austria we had a very wet May. |
| 23:32.40 | project2501b | Darsie: saudi arabia |
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| 23:32.50 | darsie | ic |
| 23:32.51 | project2501b | darsie: #debian-offtopic |
| 23:32.52 | darsie | wow |
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| 23:35.14 | Mooloo | ok, i did chmod o+rw /dev/snd/*, and i can see it in ls, and i still get a permission problem as normal user, but not as root |
| 23:35.41 | Mooloo | is there anything else able to block permissions? maybe i have some ACL stuff from a recent upgrade or something? |
| 23:36.13 | Mooloo | what is the + in "crw-rw-rw-+"? |
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| 23:37.28 | project2501b | Mooloo: did you add yourself to the sound group? |
| 23:37.41 | civillian | Mooloo, it mean there are extra ACLs applied |
| 23:37.48 | Mooloo | i don't have a sound group, but i am in the audio group |
| 23:37.52 | civillian | Mooloo, try getfacl |
| 23:37.59 | Appetite | Anyone know how to convert .flv into iPhone compatible .mp4? |
| 23:38.13 | project2501b | Appetite: vlc, mencoder |
| 23:38.21 | project2501b | ffmpeg |
| 23:38.32 | Appetite | project2501b: i've tried mencoder and ffmpeg, but i dont know the frame rate and the like for iPhone apparently |
| 23:38.33 | Marshall80 | hi |
| 23:38.40 | Appetite | i converted and it plays fine on my laptop but not on the iphone |
| 23:38.57 | Mooloo | ok, getfacl, that's something. it shows user:<my username>:rw- for all files though. |
| 23:39.27 | Nikolay | Have just installed Lenny on my new i7 server with software raid. Trying to update kernel from security.debian.org, but got "grub-probe: error: Cannot stat `Number'" and failed update. What is wrong? |
| 23:39.59 | civillian | Mooloo, I've come in late here but you can look through the man page of setfacl and perhaps remove the extra entries... no warranty on that advice :) |
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| 23:41.29 | Nikolay | Now I cannot install anything because of this error. |
| 23:41.43 | Mooloo | hrm |
| 23:43.07 | Nikolay | this is a bit of logs: http://paste.in.ua/776/ |
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| 23:43.45 | Appetite | project2501b: how do you use vlc to make .flv into .mp4 |
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| 23:44.19 | project2501b | Appetite: man vlc. it's pretty straight forward, guy |
| 23:44.27 | Appetite | sorry project2501b |
| 23:44.35 | project2501b | no, don't sweat it |
| 23:44.46 | project2501b | if you can't figure it out, i'll tell you to go read the source ;) |
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| 23:45.06 | project2501b | nah, just google for a guide. there's 10^e of them |
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| 23:46.05 | darsie | 10^e=523 |
| 23:48.29 | acu_ | how do you make your website to be found through google ? |
| 23:48.52 | civillian | acu_, you don't find google... IT finds YOU :O |
| 23:49.05 | acu_ | how ? |
| 23:49.16 | civillian | acu_, trawlers |
| 23:49.18 | acu_ | how long it take to find you |
| 23:49.36 | darsie | when they follow a link to your site. |
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| 23:50.10 | darsie | But they (used to) have a form to tell them about your site. |
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| 23:50.38 | project2501b | git add * on 150TB of data |
| 23:50.41 | paul424 | hey, could you advice some nice GUI front end for api docs on linux ?> |
| 23:50.43 | project2501b | is going to sleep |
| 23:50.52 | darsie | night project2501b |
| 23:50.52 | project2501b | paul424: sure, bash |
| 23:50.54 | paul424 | kdevassistant http://www.kdevelop.org/doc/technotes/kdevassistant.html , like this one buts its obsolate |
| 23:51.07 | project2501b | info! |
| 23:51.21 | Marshall80 | whats kdevassistant? |
| 23:51.38 | paul424 | no, dude its like docs of various libraries in html ... like stl, gtk, qt |
| 23:51.43 | paul424 | opengl |
| 23:51.56 | darsie | firefox? |
| 23:52.14 | Appetite | paul424: you mean the man pages? |
| 23:52.25 | Appetite | those are available in html format on multiple websites |
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| 23:52.43 | Marshall80 | is there a keyboard shortcut to copy from konsole? |
| 23:52.44 | Appetite | also, most libraries have their own documentation on their websites |
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| 23:53.12 | paul424 | Appetite: yeap, wait I will ask some developers |
| 23:53.43 | xorwhy1 | Is there any way I can enable a sort of "mouse smoothing" function to X? |
| 23:53.48 | darsie | Marshall80: the text console? ttyX? I only know of gpm. |
| 23:54.13 | xorwhy1 | I really wish I could make my mouse drag smoother, rather than this raw pixel-jumping cursor-purism the gnome devs were after |
| 23:54.35 | darsie | Marshall80: ohh, *k*onsole. Yes. You can find it in the menu. |
| 23:55.15 | Marshall80 | yea, thought there might be keyboard shortcut |
| 23:55.30 | ewindisch | paul424, you basically want xman, but updated ? :P I think the consensus is that HTML is the way to go these days |
| 23:55.39 | darsie | Marshall80: Check the edit menu. |
| 23:56.32 | darsie | Marshall80: But for me just selecting works as I can insert that with the middle mouse button. |
| 23:56.48 | Marshall80 | me tii |
| 23:56.50 | Marshall80 | too |
| 23:57.07 | Marshall80 | u can press both clicks together aswell right? |
| 23:57.14 | Marshall80 | as a 3rd |
| 23:57.25 | darsie | Marshall80: Depends on your configuration, IIRC. |
| 23:57.51 | darsie | emulatebutton3 or so in xorg.conf. |
| 23:58.21 | ewindisch | and if you've got the dexterity to do it without driving yourself crazy |
| 23:59.34 | Marshall80 | can i extend the timeout on knetworkmanager? |
| 23:59.46 | ewindisch | I've always preferred chorded strokes instead, such as "Fn-Alt" or "Compose-Alt", you likely have some extra keys on a laptop. On a desktop, just get a third button |
| 23:59.51 | Marshall80 | wireless never works :S |
