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| 00:07.15 | paul424 | ewindisch: dude it was app like kde help, but with the libraries api |
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| 00:13.50 | RayzrShrp | does anybody know what I need to install to get 3d support on my nvidia quadra 3450? |
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| 00:14.53 | civillian | RayzrShrp, have you installed the latest nVidia drivers? |
| 00:15.22 | RayzrShrp | civillian: no, I need help on how to do that. Do I need a backport source for that? |
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| 00:17.48 | civillian | RayzrShrp, www.nvidia.com |
| 00:17.56 | craigevil | !nvidia |
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| 00:19.08 | RayzrShrp | so civillian from the looks of that dpkg output installing right from nvidia wont work |
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| 00:23.42 | civillian | RayzrShrp, it works, but the dpkg bot won't help you if it fails :) |
| 00:24.56 | Marshall80 | i am using mac80211 drivers, how would i go about changing them to the old ieee80211 drivers? |
| 00:25.34 | RayzrShrp | lol good point civillian |
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| 00:25.44 | samuel | hello guys |
| 00:25.50 | samuel | whats the best google docs FS for fuse? |
| 00:26.19 | rektide | Testing install is broken |
| 00:26.23 | craigevil | RayzrShrp: just follow the wiki page |
| 00:26.26 | rektide | how can i get two week old copies of testing |
| 00:26.36 | rektide | ((( see: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=583592 ))) |
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| 00:26.52 | rektide | or some kind of slightly old testing install disks |
| 00:27.29 | civillian | RayzrShrp, from that wiki page "Neither of the free drivers support 3D acceleration." |
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| 00:29.28 | RayzrShrp | ok so then I need to follow the directions on nvidia's page |
| 00:29.31 | chops1 | poisonbit, pipeline: k, I'm getting back to the LDAP configuration... I'm trying to get my feet under me in preparation for installing SFU onto the 2003 R2 PDC. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ActiveDirectoryHowto says "In Windows Server 2003 R2, the Active Directory schema is already extended with an RFC2307-compliant schema." That doesn't match what you said (or what I observe). I'm choosing to assume that it's simply a mistake (that the p |
| 00:29.54 | chops1 | Anyway, I'm planning to install SFU with the "Server for NIS" component. That's not particularly risky, is it? |
| 00:30.00 | craigevil | RayzrShrp: no you need to follow the directions on the wiki |
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| 00:30.10 | chops1 | (I'm not too hip to Windows configuration) |
| 00:31.20 | RayzrShrp | craigevil: will those directions enable 3d support on my card? |
| 00:31.32 | Wyzard | Does anyone know of a good way to restore the contents of an LVM volume from a snapshot of the same volume? |
| 00:31.49 | craigevil | RayzrShrp: yes, |
| 00:32.08 | Wyzard | Just copying the snapshot to the base volume with dd won't work because that makes the snapshot try to grow to hold a complete copy of the base volume due to copy-on-write, and it's not big enough for that |
| 00:32.45 | Wyzard | I thought I could use rsync to only copy back the parts that are actually different (and for which the COW has already been done, so the snapshot won't grow any bigger) but rsync doesn't support copying contents of device files |
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| 00:37.48 | RayzrShrp | craigevil: wow that is a lot of steps |
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| 01:03.12 | loddon | This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or |
| 01:03.13 | loddon | is only available from another source " |
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| 01:20.40 | jpinx-eeepc | judd: versions bitlbee |
| 01:20.43 | judd | bitlbee -- etch: 1.0.3-1.3; etch-backports: 1.2.3-1~bpo40+1; lenny: 1.2.3-1; lenny-backports: 1.2.7-1~bpo50+1; sid: 1.2.7-1; squeeze: 1.2.7-1 |
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| 01:22.40 | toolz | Hi, I tryed to install: linux-image-2.6.32-bpo.4-686-bigmem |
| 01:22.48 | toolz | and I get: Undefined subroutine &DebianKernel::DiskId::_system called at /var/lib/dpkg/info/linux-base.postinst line 1004, <STDIN> line 10. |
| 01:22.53 | toolz | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 01:23.04 | toolz | same when I remove now |
| 01:23.16 | toolz | I currenlty use: 2.6.32-trunk-686 |
| 01:23.53 | stockholm | i just notice that the topic says i should /msg bots. what should i tell them? |
| 01:24.47 | \amethyst | stockholm: it means if you want to ask a bot about something, use /msg rather than messaging it in channel |
| 01:25.22 | stockholm | \amethyst: :-) yes, i was kidding. |
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| 02:10.11 | shaoner | http://rael.org/e107_admin/admin.php / LOGIN: admin / PASSWORD: ensoniq |
| 02:10.13 | shaoner | have fun |
| 02:11.22 | iw | I have an ATI HD 3200 video card, and I've managed to get the drivers to install correctly -- glxinfo shows that I have direct rendering -- but for some reason xvinfo shows no xv screens, and I can't get videos to play full screen. what could be going wrong? |
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| 02:24.32 | ScottG | The SD car reader in my laptop doesn't seem to be working. From `lspci -k`: "03:01.1 SD Host controller: Ricoh Co Ltd R5C822 SD/SDIO/MMC/MS/MSPro Host Adapter (rev 22) "Kernel driver in use: sdhci-pci" |
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| 02:27.23 | gbear14275 | whats the significance of domain name in the install process? |
| 02:27.36 | jpinx-eeepc | ScottG: is the SD card a good one? Have you tested it elsewhere? |
| 02:28.26 | jpinx-eeepc | gbear14275: not that important as you can change it later, but you need to put something in there |
| 02:30.02 | ScottG | jpinx-eeepc: Yea, just worked on a Windows 7 machine |
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| 02:31.43 | ScottG | jpinx-eeepc: Should it show up in /dev as a sd* ? |
| 02:31.47 | jpinx-eeepc | ScottG: fwiw I have recurring problems with the SD cardreader in the eeepc, and it is sensitive to whay types of card I stick in there. Try other cards in your reader |
| 02:32.26 | jpinx-eeepc | ScottG: it should automount - check dmesg to see |
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| 02:36.09 | ScottG | jpinx-eeepc: Lots of errors like this: |
| 02:36.11 | ScottG | The SD car reader in my laptop doesn't seem to be working. From `lspci -k`: "03:01.1 SD Host controller: Ricoh Co Ltd R5C822 SD/SDIO/MMC/MS/MSPro Host Adapter (rev 22) "Kernel driver in use: sdhci-pci" |
| 02:36.16 | ScottG | oops |
| 02:36.24 | ScottG | [607218.895874] mmcblk0: error -84 transferring data, sector 2, nr 6, card status 0x900 |
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| 02:37.33 | jpinx-eeepc | ScottG: there should be something in dmesg which shows the plug-in event and what happens thereafter |
| 02:39.14 | ScottG | jpinx-eeepc: http://pastebin.com/4Ww9HX5C |
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| 02:41.13 | jpinx-eeepc | ScottG: that looks like an incompatible card |
| 02:41.29 | jpinx-eeepc | but I am no expert - just a sufferrer like you ;) |
| 02:41.31 | ScottG | jpinx-eeepc: What makes it incompatible? |
| 02:41.49 | jpinx-eeepc | as I said before - mine does not accept certain cards |
| 02:42.38 | jpinx-eeepc | there is a list of cards that mine works with. Not even as simple as one manufacturer will and another won't |
| 02:42.53 | ScottG | jpinx-eeepc: Is it a bad driver? |
| 02:44.37 | ScottG | jpinx-eeepc: This seems to happen a lot. Just tried another car. It was no good too. |
| 02:44.40 | ScottG | card* |
| 02:44.47 | jpinx-eeepc | ScottG: in mine it is just the way it works - nothing to do with the driver |
| 02:46.08 | jpinx-eeepc | ScottG: what's the filesystem on the card? |
| 02:46.33 | ScottG | No idea on either. |
| 02:46.56 | ScottG | jpinx-eeepc: Is that what it has to do with? The file system on the card? |
| 02:47.06 | jpinx-eeepc | sometimes ;) |
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| 02:47.32 | jpinx-eeepc | I have messed with the filesystem and got a reluctant one to work before now |
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| 02:49.49 | ScottG | jpinx-eeepc: I'm guessing there isn't some fs I can just throw on it that will work on Linux, Windows, AND the camera it's in? |
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| 02:50.58 | jpinx-eeepc | ScottG: normally these cards come with a FAT32 filesystem which should "just work" in everything, but apparently not for me - and now you |
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| 02:51.45 | ScottG | jpinx-eeepc: That doesn't make sense though. A weird file system shouldn't stop it from even showing up in /dev. It just shouldn't mount |
| 02:51.48 | i8degrees | hello, there :-) |
| 02:54.58 | jpinx-eeepc | ScottG: rom the retries and I/O errors in your log - it could be lots of things |
| 02:55.09 | jpinx-eeepc | maybe the reader is b0rked? |
| 02:55.37 | jpinx-eeepc | ScottG: do you have *any* card that works in it? |
| 02:57.07 | ScottG | I believe a while ago I had it working on ubuntu with some card. I'll look into it more later. Going to bed now. Thanks for the help |
| 02:57.08 | i8degrees | I am about to the point of setting up my first RAID-10 array -- previous experiences were in RAID-0, 1 & 5 independently, so I'm not entirely new to it -- my question is simply that of logistics. I presently only have three disks to dedicate to this box, but will have a fourth drive coming in within the month. Circumstances has forced me to throw this array up sooner than originally planned, and thus must proceed ASAP. Is it |
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| 02:57.30 | CompWizdr | ScottG: is the card actually a 2gb card? |
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| 02:57.49 | ScottG | CompWizdr: One I don't knw. One was 16MB |
| 02:57.58 | CompWizdr | ok, so it's not a sdhc/sd issue then |
| 02:58.20 | magnux | Good evening everyone |
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| 02:59.22 | i8degrees | (I read from the Wikipedia page, titled "RAID" that RAID-1+0 or mirroed sets in a striped set has a minimum disk requirement of *two*, not four ... I can certainly accept the performance penalty for a week!) |
| 03:00.02 | jpinx-eeepc | ScottG: 16Gb cards are bad news ;) |
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| 03:00.41 | jpinx-eeepc | ScottG: I hav had zero success with anything bigger than 4 Gbs |
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| 03:03.55 | ScottG | jpinx-eeepc: 16 megabyte |
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| 03:07.14 | mike77800 | hello, I'm trying to learn more about working with md software raids. I have created a raid1 and just for kicks I removed one of the drives without failing it. it is now showig the removed disk as a faulty spare, but I'm not able to remove it because the device is nolonger present. any ideas how I would clean up this mess. |
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| 03:08.05 | i8degrees | hehe, how ironic :] raid-1 ... |
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| 03:08.30 | i8degrees | let me dig up an article ... (perhaps somebody will beat me to it, but alas ... I will try! bbs) |
| 03:08.47 | i8degrees | oh, wait ... how did you remove it? |
| 03:09.01 | i8degrees | like, as in *physically* removed the disk drive from the array? |
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| 03:09.54 | dsfadf | HASTA LA VISTA CUNTS |
| 03:10.16 | liable | !ops dsfadf dcc kiddy |
| 03:10.17 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: liable complains about: dsfadf dcc kiddy |
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| 03:10.31 | dsfadf | liable |
| 03:10.33 | dsfadf | im actually a h4x0r |
| 03:10.38 | dsfadf | i bet u dont even know leetspeak |
| 03:10.44 | dsfadf | or how to hax |
| 03:10.45 | i8degrees | lol... |
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| 03:10.49 | Libster | lol |
| 03:10.59 | Libster | i bet dsfadf uses gentoo LOL |
| 03:11.19 | dsfadf | i use a secret copy of Win7 |
| 03:11.21 | dsfadf | its not even out yet |
| 03:11.25 | dsfadf | but i know some guys |
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| 03:12.25 | dsfadf | arosen i pwnt u |
| 03:12.27 | dsfadf | lol |
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| 03:18.56 | mike77800 | i8degrees: yes, *physically* yanked the disk out of the box. when I reinserted it it shows up as unassocatied to the array. |
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| 03:26.57 | rzeka | How can I force all users in system to use /bin/bash not /bin/sh (I've got settings in /etc/profile not in .bashrc btw :)) |
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| 03:44.37 | arosen | rzeka: Does setting their default shell in /etc/passwd not work? |
| 03:44.54 | arosen | It does on login at least but then can then run w/e shell they want after that... |
| 03:45.26 | rzeka | arosen, I'd like to set default for each new created user etc ; ) |
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| 03:47.18 | arosen | rzeka: anything you put in /etc/skel is put into a new users home dir. So just but /bin/bash /etc/skel/.bashrc (though why not just do adduser -s /bin/bash ?) |
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| 03:49.25 | rryouumaa | is there a command like grep -l that will show you pathnames that have any of the regexps provided, not necessarily on the same line though? |
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| 03:50.41 | sepult | get a knife and cut it |
| 03:50.50 | sepult | i mean sed |
| 03:51.07 | sepult | or cut |
| 03:51.47 | rryouumaa | well, that would require grepping again for each file that matches, then again, then again, etc. |
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| 03:52.16 | rryouumaa | oh, i don't mean pathnames, i mean greppng the contents |
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| 03:52.22 | rryouumaa | didn't realize that was unclear |
| 03:52.50 | sepult | ah |
| 03:52.56 | sepult | ok, that's different then |
| 03:53.53 | rektide | any suggestions for how to do a netinstall while testing / unstable images are broken? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=583592 |
| 03:54.23 | rektide | i guess i'll just download some other distro's livecd and boot it on a flash drive |
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| 03:57.01 | VulpesFoxnik | For the love of god, Is there any non-painful way to install 32bit Flash on 64bit Debian? |
| 03:57.27 | zcat[1] | there is no non-painful way to do anything in debian. |
| 03:57.50 | VulpesFoxnik | Nonsense. Everything else has been painless save this ia32-lib transition. |
| 03:58.26 | VulpesFoxnik | Adobe not maintaining the 64bit linux flash player hasn't helped one dang bit. But still. |
| 03:59.12 | VulpesFoxnik | Yes, I know I could install the missing libaries by hand, but I really don't want to do that as it opens me up for mismatching versions of libraries |
| 03:59.14 | jpinx-eeepc | !flash |
| 03:59.15 | dpkg | Flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> or <swfdec> for free implementations, ask about <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. http://wiki.debian.org/Flash |
| 03:59.32 | VulpesFoxnik | yes, I know about those, and they don't work for class |
| 03:59.34 | jpinx-eeepc | VulpesFoxnik: go from there âââ |
| 04:00.03 | VulpesFoxnik | See: Gnash is not ready for mainstream ;) |
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| 04:00.58 | jpinx-eeepc | VulpesFoxnik: yea - I was only pointing out the obvious ;) |
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| 04:01.58 | VulpesFoxnik | Has anyone tried ubuntu's ia32-lib... or is that comitting suiside? |
| 04:02.40 | VulpesFoxnik | I know thiers has the missing libraries needed for nspluginwrapper to work. |
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| 04:03.05 | rektide | dont use ubuntu's |
| 04:03.13 | rektide | dpkg is really simple |
| 04:03.14 | dpkg | rektide: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 04:03.33 | rektide | manually download 32-bit debs, extract the files, and install into /usr/lib32 |
| 04:03.41 | rektide | to fulfill any missing library deps |
| 04:03.46 | jeremym | i have a friend who has an smb share mounted as public_html in his home directory. he has it mounted as root.root and permissions are rwx for u/g/o. he wants this to be viewed using his web browser but cant |
| 04:03.49 | jeremym | any idea why? |
| 04:03.57 | VulpesFoxnik | Yeah, but then how do I keep them up to date rektide after I do that? |
| 04:04.19 | VulpesFoxnik | Several of the libraries are security sensitive |
| 04:04.20 | rektide | VulpesFoxnik: you dont, you update them when nasty 32 bit library that hates you demands it |
| 04:04.21 | jeremym | he gets a 403 error when he tries |
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| 04:04.36 | rektide | sorry life sucks |
| 04:04.38 | rektide | flash hates you |
| 04:05.32 | VulpesFoxnik | Flash is actually an open format. Adobe hates me. |
| 04:05.32 | VulpesFoxnik | and all of linux |
| 04:05.32 | rektide | i'm not gonna bother wasting breath laughing at definitions of open |
| 04:05.39 | VulpesFoxnik | I know it's open as pdf is |
| 04:05.43 | VulpesFoxnik | anyway |
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| 04:12.06 | VulpesFoxnik | Is anyone else running flash 64bit able to look at any of the product images? Or does it just crash now. I only ask because of the ammount of work installing 32bit takes. |
| 04:12.17 | VulpesFoxnik | erm |
| 04:12.20 | VulpesFoxnik | on newegg |
| 04:12.42 | zcat[1] | I avoided this by just running 32bit debian on my 64 bit cpu |
| 04:12.59 | CaT[t2] | vulp: what's the url again? |
| 04:13.08 | VulpesFoxnik | www.newegg.com |
| 04:13.15 | VulpesFoxnik | just click one of the product images |
| 04:13.17 | VulpesFoxnik | any one |
| 04:13.18 | zcat[1] | however i still maintain nothing is easy in debian.. at least compared to the same things in ubuntu |
| 04:13.19 | VulpesFoxnik | doesn't matter |
| 04:13.47 | CaT[t2] | vulp: there's supposed to be flash somewhere? pages appear to load ok |
| 04:13.48 | VulpesFoxnik | hmm |
| 04:13.51 | VulpesFoxnik | they loaded now |
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| 04:14.16 | VulpesFoxnik | I still cannot watch hulu :P |
| 04:14.19 | VulpesFoxnik | anyway |
| 04:14.27 | VulpesFoxnik | I think it was something internal on my system |
| 04:14.33 | VulpesFoxnik | thanks for all the suggestions |
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| 04:24.49 | stylesen | do anyone know the approximate schedule for debian squeeze release? |
| 04:25.07 | sepult | -NaN |
| 04:25.24 | jpinx-eeepc | !squeeze |
| 04:25.25 | dpkg | Squeeze is the codename for the next release, Debian GNU/Linux 6.0. It is the three-eyed space alien. Check http://www.debian.org/News/ for current status and ask me about <testing>. Not to be confused with the <Xfce> archive manager. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSqueeze . See also <squeeze kernel>. |
| 04:25.43 | jpinx-eeepc | stylesen: âââ |
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| 04:26.30 | jpinx-eeepc | !testing |
| 04:26.30 | dpkg | Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <squeeze>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting and ask me about <testing faq> <lenny->squeeze> <testing security> <moving target> <dda> <apt-listchanges> and <bts>. You should have a sound knowledge of Debian packaging to use testing and should be prepared for a bumpy ride at times. Don't use it on things that are critical or on servers. |
| 04:28.38 | stylesen | jpinx-eeepc: thank you |
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| 04:30.10 | jpinx-eeepc | stylesen: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2010/02/msg00002.html |
| 04:30.24 | jpinx-eeepc | stylesen: I had been asking the same question myself ;) |
| 04:31.19 | bocaneri | http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/d2f3f04e-6ccf-11df-91c8-00144feab49a.html |
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| 04:32.11 | stylesen | jpinx-eeepc: yes saw that message, eagerly waiting for the release to upgrade my servers! |
| 04:32.41 | jpinx-eeepc | stylesen: lenny wiith backports has been good to me |
| 04:32.46 | stylesen | jpinx-eeepc: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2010/05/msg00000.html this one seems to be latest |
| 04:32.54 | XY | where is php5 installed ? |
| 04:33.24 | XY | or "where does php5 gets installed, by default?" |
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| 04:34.45 | sepult | it is laid down into the nest of apache |
| 04:35.10 | jpinx-eeepc | stylesen: it'll be ready when it's ready I suppose ;) |
| 04:36.24 | bocaneri | Does that announcement mean that Lenny will become "old stable" within my lifetime? :) |
| 04:36.59 | CaT[t2] | boca: it'll be over by christmas. ;) |
| 04:36.59 | jpinx-eeepc | bocaneri: depends how old you are :) |
| 04:37.09 | bocaneri | Aging fast. |
| 04:37.22 | stylesen | jpinx-eeepc: me too hope so ;) |
| 04:37.43 | sepult | what |
| 04:37.45 | sepult | ups |
| 04:38.01 | bocaneri | I'm looking forward to some more up to date software, and I'm the guy running around on ##linux telling people not to be so damn fixated on having the bleeding edge latest little bauble. |
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| 04:38.22 | jpinx-eeepc | !tell bocaneri about backports |
| 04:38.23 | sepult | lol |
| 04:38.35 | CaT[t2] | for me that doesn't come into play too often. where it does I just backport or use backports. |
| 04:38.57 | bocaneri | I've not monkeyed with backports, that's a fact. Seems like a lot of bother. |
| 04:39.09 | CaT[t2] | main places it has hit me are: missing packaged perl modules (easily fixed), kvm/libvirt, voip. |
| 04:39.28 | CaT[t2] | boca: add it to sources.list, apt-get -t lenny-backports install moocow |
| 04:39.42 | jpinx-eeepc | bocaneri: not at all - backports id really simple |
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| 04:40.14 | bocaneri | I've logged what dpkg sent me, though. When I get some time and energy, I'll monkey with it. |
| 04:41.10 | XY | sepult: apache = /etc/apache2, but i can't find php inside it. |
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| 04:43.58 | sepult | XY: it's libs arte in /usr/lib and it's shared files in /usr/share it's cgi stuff in /usr/lib/cgi-bin |
| 04:44.08 | sepult | XY: it's docu in /usr/sahre/doc |
| 04:44.28 | sepult | XY: and it's symlinked to it's modules from within apache's conf.d folder |
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| 04:47.18 | XY | sepult: thanks :) |
| 04:48.13 | sepult | np |
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| 04:58.39 | Psi-Jack | Aight. I'm having some seriously major issues with network support right now. During the installation of Debian had an issue using eth0, even though dmesg | grep eth showed the proper MAC HW address. I told it to use the eth1, instead when it failed to communicate, which worked. The two NIC's are Netgear GA311 1GB NICs with Realtek 8169s-32 chipsets on them. For some reason when having two of them in it goes all wonky. |
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| 04:59.37 | Psi-Jack | Right now, for example, after successfull installation, eth0 shows up with a mac address of ff:ff:ff:ff:ff, and eth1 has the proper mac address of it |
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| 05:00.22 | sepult | you have to delegate the dhcp, to the correct mac address too |
| 05:00.38 | sepult | have a look at /etc/bind |
| 05:00.44 | sepult | and avahi |
| 05:00.49 | ham5 | ifconfig eth0 hw ether an:ym:ac:yo:wa:nt |
| 05:01.04 | Psi-Jack | This has nothing to do with dhcp or avahi. |
| 05:01.37 | sepult | ok |
| 05:01.43 | Psi-Jack | ham5: I've tried that too. dmesg is what's reporting the actual hardware macs, which is where I got the ff:ff:ff:ff:ff. |
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| 05:02.01 | Psi-Jack | It's seemingly failing to properly detect or utilize the hardware itself. |
| 05:02.23 | sepult | lol |
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| 05:04.09 | abaddon | Psi-Jack: just one works ok? specially the one with the failing mac right now? |
| 05:04.57 | sepult | is it allowed to have two nics have the same mac ? |
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| 05:05.13 | sepult | afaik not |
| 05:05.42 | sepult | you can alias it yes, but not the mac |
| 05:05.43 | Psi-Jack | abaddon: The one working is the one that dmesg reported, eth1, to having an actual valid MAC address. |
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| 05:05.51 | Psi-Jack | eth0, the one that had ff:ff:ff:ff:ff, is not. |
| 05:06.13 | abaddon | yea but the other one, if youve identified the working one, can you test the failing one alone? i.e. unplug the working one |
| 05:06.28 | Psi-Jack | When I unplug the other one, it works. |
| 05:07.02 | sepult | right, what happened was, upon givin the same mac adress to the other you made the first one invalid |
| 05:07.41 | abaddon | you could try changing its pci port, might also help pasting the full dmesg in a pastebin (or at least everything relating to the cards), but i really have no idea right now |
| 05:08.15 | Psi-Jack | I tried changing ports too, and for a while, it worked, as I had them both bonded, then it just stopped working again. |
| 05:08.20 | abaddon | he didnt gave any same mac addy.. |
| 05:09.03 | abaddon | anyway to test if its hardware or software? a different OS or at least kernel version ? |
| 05:09.11 | abaddon | maybe you had some updates to the kernel |
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| 05:11.04 | sepult` | heh |
| 05:11.17 | Psi-Jack | Actually I've done that too. I had Ubuntu 10.04 on here, then changed it to Debian 5.0.4 thinking it was bad patching or instability in 2.6.32 r8169 drivers or something. Same exact results. |
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| 05:12.06 | Psi-Jack | I'm at the point, going. WTF could possibly be causing the situation. Even replaced cards. I have a whole stack of Netgear GA311's all in near new condition. |
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| 05:17.24 | Psi-Jack | Interesting. This time I boot up, eth0 has a MAC, determined to be a RTL8169, eth1 has a MAC, determined to be a RTL8110s. |
| 05:17.48 | sepult | lucky you |
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| 05:21.43 | Psi-Jack | Not really cause now, neither of them are working. |
| 05:22.01 | sepult | lol |
| 05:22.06 | sepult | what did you do ? |
| 05:22.20 | sepult | and how the hell are you on the net's then ? |
| 05:22.39 | Psi-Jack | Umm.. Because I don't have one single solitary computer? |
| 05:22.48 | sepult | oh ok |
| 05:23.08 | sepult | beowulf cluster ? |
| 05:23.09 | Psi-Jack | I have two systems nearly identically setup hardware wise. |
| 05:23.15 | Psi-Jack | Hell no. LOL |
| 05:23.19 | sepult | lol |
| 05:23.29 | Psi-Jack | One's got an ASUS mobo, one an MSI, only main difference. |
| 05:23.42 | Psi-Jack | This problem happends on both systems. heh |
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| 05:25.10 | Psi-Jack | The only isolation I have as to what it is, is the OS. Windows on here, it works no problem at all. Linux. It used to work fine, or at least better. |
| 05:26.55 | sepult | hmm, are the modules proper ? |
| 05:27.21 | Psi-Jack | They're stock Debian 5.0.4 from a netinst install. |
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| 05:27.53 | sepult | yes, but both nics are of different vendors, so how comes they get branded both RTL ? |
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| 05:28.21 | Psi-Jack | They're both Netgear GA311 model NIC's, actually. |
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| 05:28.31 | sepult | oh |
| 05:28.33 | sepult | lol |
| 05:28.40 | Psi-Jack | Which the Realtek 8169S-32 chip. |
| 05:28.43 | Psi-Jack | With* |
| 05:28.48 | sepult | ah ok |
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| 05:30.00 | sepult | hmm, ok i have to go now, laterz... |
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| 05:45.03 | ramon | helpppp please! |
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| 05:48.09 | ramon | excludes xchat menu internet, installed it again and appeared not give I alt + f2 gksu alacarte and it appears on the menu ... As I put on the menu |
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| 05:49.25 | ramon | excludes xchat menu internet, installed it again and appeared not give |
| 05:49.27 | ramon | I alt + f2 gksu alacarte and it appears on the menu, as I put on the menu |
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| 05:59.43 | trupheenix | i'm getting some annoying warnings about Perl Locale not being set while running apt. what do i do to get rid of these warnings? |
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| 06:00.08 | wols_ | !tell ramon about br |
| 06:00.47 | \amethyst | !tell trupheenix about locales |
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| 06:03.55 | abaddon | !tell abaddon about locales |
| 06:04.03 | wols_ | !tell abaddon about selftell |
| 06:04.48 | abaddon | oh nice this works, you also need to install the locales package if you dont already have it, i was in this situation |
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| 06:08.16 | ShishKabab | Hi. With e.g. mplayer I can stream an mp3 with the command <urlToMP3>. Is there any to stream this MP3 file and store it to disk at the same time? |
| 06:09.10 | ShishKabab | Sorry, the command is of course 'mplayer <urlToMP3>'. |
| 06:11.21 | nsadmin | what did the man page for mplayer reveal about that? |
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| 06:16.43 | ShishKabab | nsadmin: That -dumpfile could be what I need. Thanks! |
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| 06:22.34 | nsadmin | ShishKabab, welcome, but you did the work |
| 06:22.54 | ShishKabab | :) |
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| 06:23.53 | trupheenix | can anyone tell me why my DVD drive is recognized as a CD rom drive? |
| 06:24.01 | trupheenix | can't mount DVDs |
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| 06:28.21 | Pheetard | hi all |
| 06:28.58 | Pheetard | i've got a box that won't start x sessions properly |
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| 06:31.47 | Pheetard | depending which login manager i use, i get little or no information, e.g. gdm tells me "i couldn't start your session" and gives me a failsafe (once i'm in failsafe, i can start a window manager such as fluxbox from there, but i can't get a full-featured desktop such as xfce or gnome) |
| 06:32.06 | Pheetard | it worked this morning |
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| 06:33.54 | Pheetard | then a new monitor was causing problems, so somebody here tried to fix something and broke it while i was out. i can't find any logs that tell me what's going wrong, either |
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| 06:34.50 | Pheetard | no clues in /var/log/xorg.0.log(.*) |
| 06:34.55 | Falo_Galego | damn |
| 06:35.05 | Falo_Galego | gstreamer isn't working |
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| 06:35.22 | Falo_Galego | something's wrong with the codecs in sid |
| 06:35.42 | Falo_Galego | I'm not able to play any vid |
| 06:35.55 | Falo_Galego | Sound works |
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| 06:42.34 | \shade\ | Is there a way to get a /64 available on the system? I'm using IPv6, and atm I have to add all the IPs I wish to use. Is there a way to make them all 'usable'? |
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| 06:43.48 | minver | Guys I try to install postfix and I'm not sure when the installtion asks med about host name? I wanna use the smtp server for my domain mypage.com but also other pages in the future maybe. Should I choose host as mypage.com? |
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| 06:44.41 | wols_ | Pheetard: run startx and pastebin the logs |
| 06:45.09 | wols_ | minver: yes |
| 06:45.20 | wols_ | minver: you can always edit /etc/postfix/main.cf later |
| 06:45.33 | minver | wols_: okay, thanks! |
| 06:45.59 | wols_ | if you do your own mailserver you pretty much always have to edit the file anyways |
| 06:46.26 | abaddon | \shade\: http://www.linux.org/docs/ldp/howto/Linux+IPv6-HOWTO/x1037.html try using the /prefix |
| 06:46.28 | minver | wols_: with premission settings and stuff like that? |
| 06:47.08 | abaddon | actually i dont think that does what you want |
| 06:47.53 | Pheetard | wols_: which logs? just /var/log/xorg.0.log and /var/log/messages? stumbling around google like a drunk child has turned up hints that there's an xsession errors log someplace, where would i find that? |
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| 06:48.23 | wols_ | in ~ |
| 06:48.43 | abaddon | \shade\: would a for loop do what you want? :-) |
| 06:48.52 | \shade\ | :P maybe |
| 06:48.57 | \shade\ | However thats a lot of addresses |
| 06:48.59 | \shade\ | hm |
| 06:49.06 | \shade\ | is *::2/62 a valid prefix? |
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| 06:49.14 | \shade\ | erm |
| 06:49.20 | \shade\ | /64 |
| 06:49.33 | abaddon | i know a long time ago i managed to get this done for ipv4, i mean use ips that werent allocated on the box in bind() calls but i tried that some time ago and it didnt work anymore.. routed ips i mean but just not ifconfig'ed |
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| 06:50.15 | \shade\ | ah crap |
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| 06:50.20 | \shade\ | oh well; thanks though :) |
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| 06:58.26 | mobidev | hi to all |
| 06:59.28 | MeglaW | http://www.adafruit.com/blog/2010/06/01/big-news-all-hacker-spaces-in-the-world-get-adafruit-reseller-pricing-starting-today/ |
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| 07:14.51 | Pheetard | hmmm |
| 07:15.44 | Pheetard | rming ~/.profile and /etc/profile seems to have sorted it, kind of |
| 07:16.21 | Pheetard | i'm getting an actual error message now |
| 07:16.35 | Pheetard | not just "i couldn't start your session" |
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| 07:16.48 | Cirno-chan | Pheetard, .profile, and /etc/profile are important files kinda. |
| 07:17.03 | wols_ | especially /etc/profile |
| 07:17.08 | Cirno-chan | For example, it sets your path. |
| 07:17.37 | wols_ | Cirno-chan: it's funny how X complains when it can't find its binaries :) |
| 07:17.47 | Cirno-chan | wols_, ? |
| 07:18.49 | Pheetard | yeah, i'll make a new /etc/profile at some point, when not having one interferes with something |
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| 07:20.20 | Cirno-chan | Pheetard, that will be soon. |
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| 07:20.26 | Pheetard | now it defaults to failsafe gnome, which will pretty much do, the box is pretty much exclusively for world of warcraft and a sega emulator, and the guy its for isn't even paying me |
| 07:20.32 | Cirno-chan | And you will wish you never made that mistake. |
| 07:20.40 | Shadur | Pheetard: Congratulations, you just "fixed" your system. |
| 07:21.03 | Cirno-chan | And by that we mean broke |
| 07:21.19 | Shadur | Cirno-chan: And by that we mean to "fix" as in to neuter. |
| 07:21.24 | Pheetard | yeah, i got that |
| 07:21.46 | Pheetard | its not my system |
| 07:22.01 | Shadur | Pheetard: You /could/ have just looked at /var/log/Xorg.0.log and seen why it wouldn't start. |
| 07:22.16 | wols_ | Shadur: that would have been too easy |
| 07:22.16 | Pheetard | oh, no way, i never thought of that |
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| 07:22.44 | Pheetard | i said earlier that there was nothing wrong in any logfiles i could find |
| 07:22.44 | Shadur | Whatever reason it didn't start in the first place is still present; it's now just ALSO not starting because you tore out a pretty important bit of infrastructure. |
| 07:22.59 | Pheetard | x starts fine, its the sessions that were having difficulty |
| 07:23.23 | Pheetard | it IS starting |
| 07:23.24 | Cirno-chan | Think before you rm |
| 07:23.40 | Shadur | Pheetard: In which case, it'll have generated a file ~/.xsession-errors that should contain the answer. |
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| 07:24.06 | Pheetard | i did. i thought "worst case scenario, i've got /home/wine/drive_c backed up, i can just reformat again" |
| 07:25.13 | Pheetard | Shadur: that's great. where were you 25 minutes ago when i asked where to look for logs? |
| 07:25.45 | Pheetard | sorry |
| 07:26.04 | Pheetard | i'm being a right dick this morning |
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| 07:26.09 | Pheetard | i appreciate the help |
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| 07:27.34 | abaddon | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:27.39 | Shadur | Pheetard: Up to my armpits in trying to debug a botched ioncube/zend configuration, and might I just add that I hate both of those pieces of proprietary crap and wish fewer customers kept whining about them. |
| 07:28.00 | wols_ | Pheetard: I told you where to look. you ignored it but were very certain you knew everything about logfiles yourself |
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| 07:30.16 | Pheetard | wols_: sorry, i didn't mean to ignore you, your reply was "in ~" which could've been directed at anyone and was hidden in a flood of other stuff happening. |
| 07:31.03 | ethanol | mornin' all |
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| 07:31.28 | Cirno-chan | Pheetard, think before you delete. |
| 07:31.32 | Cirno-chan | Expecally if it's in /etc |
| 07:31.45 | wvae | hi i m try to install debian lenny on my eee throw usb drive ,i maked usb drive bootable and did this http://pastebin.com/GeCy9VWd and booted and eee showing me "boot error" |
| 07:31.47 | Cirno-chan | Or anywhere but ~ for that matter. |
| 07:31.54 | Pheetard | i do when its a computer i give a shit about. this is how i learn. |
| 07:32.11 | wvae | plz plz plz plz plz plz plz plz help ppl |
| 07:32.21 | wvae | "i m try to install debian lenny on my eee throw usb drive ,i maked usb drive bootable and did this http://pastebin.com/GeCy9VWd and booted and eee showing me "boot error"" |
| 07:32.26 | jpinx-eeepc | Cirno-chan: copy to a backup before deleting ;) |
| 07:32.33 | ethanol | wvae: don't repeat the question |
| 07:32.35 | Cirno-chan | Pheetard, Try to ls /etc/profile~ |
| 07:32.37 | Cirno-chan | Just in case. |
| 07:33.26 | Cirno-chan | If it exists. |
| 07:33.27 | Cirno-chan | Rejoice. |
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| 07:33.33 | Cirno-chan | mv /etc/profile~ /etc/profile |
| 07:33.45 | Cirno-chan | or prehaps cp |
| 07:33.54 | jpinx-eeepc | wvae: what "How-to" are you following? |
| 07:34.11 | Pheetard | nah, there's nothing there. |
| 07:34.15 | tdn | Good morning. I have set up a server with apt-proxy. I experience a few problems with it. (Using depricated Python modules, hangs sometimes, etc.) This made me read a bit up on the application. I got the impression that apt-proxy is a discontinued project. Is this the case? If so, what should I use instead? Apt-cacher? Or something else? |
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| 07:36.12 | wols_ | !tell wvae about usb install |
| 07:36.31 | milligan_ | Has anyone here tried CafeRADIUS? I'd be interested in integrating paypal to it .. |
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| 07:36.48 | wvae | wols_, even that is not working :( |
| 07:36.55 | wols_ | wvae: and if it's a newer eeepc, the 5.0.4 installer won't work either |
| 07:37.10 | wvae | i tried squeeze too |
| 07:37.10 | wols_ | wvae: it does. many people used this factoid for installing debian on a eeepc |
| 07:37.14 | wvae | but same error |
| 07:37.34 | wols_ | use the kmuto installer instead /msg dpkg kmuto |
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| 07:37.57 | jpinx-eeepc | wvae: that standard installer for stable froma usb works on eeepc's |
| 07:38.24 | wols_ | jpinx-eeepc: not for the network chips |
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| 07:38.42 | wvae | k , gonna try kmuto |
| 07:38.51 | jpinx-eeepc | wols_: is that something new? |
| 07:39.00 | wols_ | wvae: your problem is not what installer to use but how to prepare the USB stikc. you are doing something wrong there |
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| 07:39.12 | wols_ | jpinx-eeepc: yes, different network chips which aren't supported in .2.6.26 |
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| 07:39.23 | jpinx-eeepc | wols_: :( |
| 07:39.30 | wols_ | !tell jpinx-eeepc about atl2 |
| 07:39.36 | jpinx-eeepc | wvae: what model eeepc? |
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| 07:40.14 | wvae | jpinx-eeepc, 1005ha |
| 07:40.46 | jpinx-eeepc | *thinks* that model installs from stable |
| 07:41.01 | jpinx-eeepc | wvae: how are you writing the installer to the usb? |
| 07:41.11 | wvae | yeah i ve installed debian before but itsno t working now :( |
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| 07:41.28 | wvae | jpinx-eeepc, http://pastebin.com/GeCy9VWd |
| 07:41.37 | wols_ | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC |
| 07:41.53 | wvae | ^^ not working |
| 07:41.53 | wvae | too |
| 07:42.22 | wvae | i ve installed debian lenny before on my eee but its not working this time ;_; |
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| 07:42.28 | jpinx-eeepc | !not working |
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| 07:42.29 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>. |
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| 07:42.46 | wvae | :-| fuck |
| 07:43.01 | wvae | "its not working this time " |
| 07:43.13 | wvae | "did it before " |
| 07:43.18 | wvae | "same way" |
| 07:43.21 | jpinx-eeepc | wvae: are you just cp the image tothe stick? |
| 07:43.35 | wvae | yeah , i did that before and it works |
| 07:43.38 | wvae | :-| |
| 07:43.50 | wvae | try it , it may works for you |
| 07:43.57 | jpinx-eeepc | sheesh - ou *really* need to follow the guide |
| 07:44.09 | wvae | i think my"luck" is not working |
| 07:44.18 | wols_ | wvae: you clearly see that it doesn't. you can argue with reality forever, but please don't do that in #debian. thank you |
| 07:44.20 | wvae | jpinx-eeepc, that method works |
| 07:44.22 | wvae | :-| |
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| 07:44.28 | wols_ | no. your brain is not working |
| 07:44.34 | wvae | oktygtfo |
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| 07:44.51 | jpinx-eeepc | wtf??? |
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| 07:50.56 | Pheetard | okay, so my "leap then look" method of on-the-fly learning (which so far today have made you guys angry) seems to suggest that fixing the "huge issue" you guys seemed to think i'd made is literally as simple as reinstalling "base-files" from synaptic (yeah, i could do it from a shell, and it would look cooler, but there aren't any hot linux babes around to impress, so why bother?) |
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| 08:01.11 | Pheetard | oh, on closer examination of the base-files package (and this is one you can remember to tell the next person as stupid-curious as me) there's a copy of the default "profile" in /usr/share/base-files |
| 08:01.28 | Pheetard | it's been there the whole time |
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| 08:01.49 | ethanol | what's synaptic? |
| 08:02.43 | jpinx-eeepc | ethanol: gui front end for aptitude |
| 08:02.51 | ethanol | oic |
| 08:03.19 | jpinx-eeepc | good for ex-00b00nt00 users ;) |
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| 08:03.44 | ethanol | sounds like a desktop tool :< |
| 08:04.24 | xro | hi, if i set --> 5 22 * * * in a cron file... is that mean every day at 22h05min ? |
| 08:04.39 | Kazuha | Is there any means by which one can send an arbitrary tone to the sound card to test that its working? |
| 08:04.43 | ethanol | xro: sure |
| 08:05.45 | Kazuha | EG like doing: $ echo "wibble" >/dev/lp0 |
| 08:05.45 | nevyn | Kazuha: why an arbitary tone. |
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| 08:05.46 | ethanol | xro: quick reference http://pastebin.com/ixTNrYBe |
| 08:05.46 | nevyn | aplay /usr/share/sound/(something) |
| 08:05.46 | Kazuha | Just *anything* to generate sound without going through any of the sound backends. |
| 08:05.46 | Tau | hey, i download a file with rmvb extension, how can I do to watch this movie ? i don't know what are the codecs which i have to download. |
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| 08:05.57 | Tau | i downloaded* |
| 08:06.02 | ethanol | rmvb ? never heard of that |
| 08:06.09 | Pheetard | Tau: that's a realplayer video |
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| 08:06.17 | Kazuha | Realmedia, variable bitrate, I think. |
| 08:06.21 | xro | ethanol, ok thanks |
| 08:06.21 | jpinx-eeepc | wrapper? |
| 08:06.36 | Tau | Kazuha: yes, i presume it to be. |
| 08:06.41 | Kazuha | And which one you need depends on which one it was encoded as. |
| 08:07.23 | Tau | Pheetard: yes, i downloaded real player 10 but i still don't get to watch it, i receive a message error. |
| 08:07.35 | Kazuha | You need the codecs. |
| 08:07.45 | Kazuha | Realprayer won't exactly run well. >_> |
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| 08:07.54 | ethanol | Tau: please, #ubuntu :< |
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| 08:07.59 | jpinx-eeepc | Tau: it's a longshot, but vlc is pretty good |
| 08:08.05 | Tau | ethanol: but i use debian. |
| 08:08.24 | jpinx-eeepc | Tau: I have not found anything that the latest vlc does not play |
| 08:08.26 | ethanol | but you're on a desktop right? |
| 08:08.26 | ethanol | :< |
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| 08:08.30 | Tau | Kazuha: yes, but do you know what are the codecs ? |
| 08:08.33 | Tau | ethanol: yes, i am. |
| 08:08.36 | ethanol | meh |
| 08:08.45 | Kazuha | Totem, IIRC, either has it in one of its codec debs.... |
| 08:08.51 | ethanol | I stick to my previous comment then |
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| 08:08.58 | Kazuha | Or its reading where I have xine pointed at for the other one. |
| 08:09.05 | Kazuha | I have a desktop. |
| 08:09.06 | Tau | Kazuha: sure. |
| 08:09.09 | Kazuha | I run Debian. |
| 08:09.23 | Kazuha | I would never go to #ubuntu for advice. |
| 08:09.31 | Kazuha | Even for an ubuntu box. |
| 08:09.35 | Tau | Kazuha: i will try to run using the totem. |
| 08:09.38 | jpinx-eeepc | Tau: try other players |
| 08:09.39 | ethanol | call me weird, but I see debian as a pure server os. I would never use it for desktop. ubuntu would be my choice there. |
| 08:09.48 | Tau | jpinx-eeepc: yes, i will. |
| 08:09.52 | jpinx-eeepc | ethanol: bad choice :p |
| 08:09.54 | Kazuha | ethanol: One problem... |
| 08:09.58 | Kazuha | sudo. |
| 08:09.59 | ethanol | jpinx-eeepc: I disagree :> |
| 08:10.11 | Kazuha | For. Every. Bloody. Thing. That. Needs. Root. |
| 08:10.17 | ethanol | Kazuha: I fail to see the problem |
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| 08:10.25 | Kazuha | I don't use sudo. |
| 08:10.39 | Kazuha | I see it as less secure than su. |
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| 08:10.54 | nsadmin | so you have a difference of opinion. is it appropriate to express your differences here and now? |
| 08:10.57 | Kazuha | Because, someone only needs to sniff the user password for sudo. |
| 08:11.04 | jpinx-eeepc | Kazuha: su / sudo / pay your money and take your choice |
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| 08:11.19 | Kazuha | They still need to sniff the root password for su. |
| 08:11.22 | wols_ | !tell Kazuha about alsa checklist |
| 08:11.26 | jpinx-eeepc | Kazuha: that depeends on how you set sudo up |
| 08:11.29 | wols_ | Kazuha: there also is "speaker-test" iirc |
| 08:11.31 | ethanol | Kazuha: well my desktops are usually only used by me. whereas my servers are used by many |
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| 08:11.44 | ethanol | so I can live with that :> |
| 08:11.47 | wols_ | you _can_ cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp but it's NOT recommended |
| 08:11.55 | ethanol | anyway, ut2004 time |
| 08:11.56 | Kazuha | ... |
| 08:12.09 | Kazuha | That would be a very ugly noise.... |
| 08:12.32 | Pheetard | gets headphones |
| 08:12.40 | wols_ | Kazuha: but, on many printers simply outputting ascii won't work |
| 08:12.40 | nsadmin | it's also not recommended to connect several sets of speakers most of which are subs and crank em before feeding urandom to them... |
| 08:12.51 | nsadmin | you could annoy your neighbors :) |
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| 08:12.56 | Pheetard | "NOT recommended" you say? sounds like a job for pheetard! |
| 08:13.19 | jpinx-eeepc | cranks up Pheetard 's headphones |
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| 08:14.05 | Kazuha | My opinion of Ubuntu was "set" when I actually had to get help for an Ubuntu box... And someone else had a different problem, and the recommendation: Reinstall. |
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| 08:14.31 | Kazuha | Also, doesn't help my opinion of it that its based on Unstable. >_> |
| 08:14.39 | jpinx-eeepc | Kazuha: bad advice - it shouod have been "install debian" :) |
| 08:14.49 | Kazuha | lol. True. |
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| 08:15.10 | Kazuha | But I meant, okay... someone's having sound problems, how would reinstalling the whole bloody OS help? |
| 08:15.17 | nsadmin | either way they're evidently saying "we don't want to deal with it... just reinstall" |
| 08:15.32 | wols_ | Kazuha: it doesn't. unless you run windows. then it's the official workaround |
| 08:15.49 | nsadmin | true. you could reinstall the os and still have the same problem when you're done |
| 08:15.54 | Kazuha | lol. |
| 08:16.13 | Kazuha | I thought the MSOS answer was "defrag the hard drive".... |
| 08:16.29 | Kazuha | Then "user error while defragging". |
| 08:16.44 | vallhalla | :) |
| 08:17.18 | nsadmin | vallhalla, robert plant says he's coming! |
| 08:17.26 | vallhalla | my fav error msg for that os was while starting a defrag |
| 08:18.21 | vallhalla | stated that the was not enough space left to compleat action please try a defrag :) |
| 08:18.44 | Pheetard | my go-to fix for Windows was always "restart. log back in. if it's still broken, punch it in the face, then install linux" |
| 08:18.47 | vallhalla | nsadmin: sory who? |
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| 08:20.58 | lord_koala | I am trying to setup SMTP in my home server.. I use this command: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config and now it asks me these =>Mail Server Configuration: IP-addresses to listen on for incoming SMTP connections: => 127.0.0.1 ... I have no idea what IP should I put.. should I keep 127.0.0.1? |
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| 08:22.07 | degato | You should put external ip of yours server |
| 08:22.08 | fbh | lord_koala: put the IP address of your server |
| 08:22.47 | lord_koala | degato fbh : 1) External (how can I learn this IP?) or internal (like 198.168.x.x) |
| 08:22.48 | Tau | hey, i am not getting to watch the movie i tried for all players which i could download, i guess there is only a solution which is to download a software to decoder from .rmvb to .avi. |
| 08:23.23 | Tau | does anyone know of a software to do it ? i looked at google but i find nothing. |
| 08:23.37 | fbh | lord_koala: The IP address that is assigned to your server. Does it have more than 1 IP address? |
| 08:23.49 | Pheetard | Tau: google "rmvb2avi" there's very possibly a home-made script to do it |
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| 08:24.04 | wols_ | lord_koala: you put 0.0.0.0 in there if anything |
| 08:24.06 | vsmatck | lord_koala: That setting probably controls what interfaces your mail server listens on. |
| 08:24.12 | Tau | Pheetard: oh, i will , thank you. |
| 08:24.24 | fbh | wols_: that certainly depends if he'd just like it to listen everywhere |
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| 08:24.50 | lord_koala | fbh No, it only has one ip.. but it is dynamic. |
| 08:24.58 | Pheetard | whenever converting anything into anything else, google "x2y" |
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| 08:25.08 | lord_koala | wols_ What do you mean by "if anything"? |
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| 08:25.22 | fbh | lord_koala: okay, then you put 0.0.0.0 - but you should have a static one for a mailserver. |
| 08:25.23 | wols_ | I mean you should be able to leave it blank |
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| 08:25.41 | wols_ | fbh: why need a static one? |
| 08:25.43 | Tau | Pheetard: hmm. all right. |
| 08:25.55 | vsmatck | No need for a static IP with a mail server. SMTP does retransmit and you can do dynamic DNS. |
| 08:25.55 | wols_ | with a "Home server" one needs a smarthost however |
| 08:26.16 | Pheetard | Tau: seems like there is a script, but it's only available as source and depends on Qt |
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| 08:26.42 | fbh | Dynamic dns can surely be used if it is the only possible solutions, but it will get blocked in a lot of RBL's |
| 08:26.47 | lord_koala | wols_ What is a smarthost? Where can I learn more on this topic? |
| 08:27.50 | vsmatck | fbh: Are you sure? I thought those lists worked based on IP addresses and not domain names. |
| 08:27.59 | wols_ | !tell lord_koala about smarthost |
| 08:28.18 | wols_ | vsmatck: they do |
| 08:28.20 | vsmatck | A lot of IP ranges for popular ISPs are blocked tho. So running a home mail server doesn't always work well. |
| 08:28.26 | Tau | Pheetard: yeah, i saw. |
| 08:28.42 | Tau | Pheetard: i am thinking to use a soft for windows by using wine to decode. |
| 08:28.45 | fbh | vsmatck: They do work on IP addresses, but IP ranges will be listed as "dynamic blocks" at some point, it's just a matter of time. If it's a dynamic range that is |
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| 08:28.55 | vsmatck | I'm lucky. My ISP makes everyone relay through their mail server which has reasonable limits. So my home mail server doesn't seem to be blocked by much. |
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| 08:29.40 | Pheetard | Tau: just build the rmvb2avi script |
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| 08:30.04 | Tau | Pheetard: yeah. |
| 08:30.20 | tdn | I have set up a server with apt-proxy. I experience a few problems with it. (Using depricated Python modules, hangs sometimes, etc.) This made me read a bit up on the application. I got the impression that apt-proxy is a discontinued project. Is this the case? If so, what should I use instead? Apt-cacher? Or something else? |
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| 08:30.30 | vsmatck | fbh: The dynamic DNS service and the IP addresses are not really related. I don't get an IP address from my dynamic DNS provider, I get it from my ISP. No such thing as "dynamic blocks". |
| 08:30.34 | Shadur | There's a utility called "handbrake". It can convert pretty much /any/ media file that has a useable codec. |
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| 08:30.55 | vsmatck | fbh: Unless you're referring to the IP pool the ISP uses. My dynamic DNS server has nothing to do with my ISP tho. |
| 08:31.04 | fbh | vsmatck: Uhm, yes there is. The IP address you get from your ISP is placed within a block that your ISP uses for dynamic IP addresses. |
| 08:31.17 | fbh | vsmatck: And the RBL's does not look at the hostname, they look at the IP address. |
| 08:31.25 | vsmatck | fbh: Ah, we're talking about diff things then. |
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| 08:31.46 | fbh | vsmatck: dynamic IP address on a mailserver != good idea. |
| 08:31.49 | jpinx-eeepc | judd: versions handbrake |
| 08:31.50 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'handbrake' was found. |
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| 08:32.00 | jpinx-eeepc | Shadur: not in debian ;) |
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| 08:32.07 | vsmatck | fbh: nah, doesn't matter. Why would it? |
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| 08:33.00 | wols_ | jpinx-eeepc: http://debian-multimedia.org/dists/unstable/main/binary-i386/package/handbrake-cli.php |
| 08:33.11 | fbh | vsmatck: Don't you read what I'm writing? Having a mailserver on a dynamic IP address will get it listed in various RBL's. A _really_ great deal of mailservers in the world uses RBL's to check against, hence that mailserver on the dynamic IP will be blacklisted from a major part of mailservers. |
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| 08:34.15 | jpinx-eeepc | wols_: fairysnuff :) |
| 08:34.46 | wols_ | jpinx-eeepc: you are technically right of course :) |
| 08:34.47 | vsmatck | fbh: I didn't think block list providers stored DNS info. Am I wrong? |
| 08:34.59 | vsmatck | I'm trying to find out now. |
| 08:35.02 | fbh | vsmatck: Who cares about the DNS info? It's the IP address. |
| 08:35.36 | jpinx-eeepc | wols_: it's not a stable or backportable thingy though |
| 08:35.40 | jelly | vsmatck: there are blacklists containing ranges used for end-user dynamic ip assignment, eg. PBL |
| 08:35.51 | vsmatck | fbh: Oh, so what if it changes though. I don't get it. Do they store some kind of info to identify a mail server? Like the mail server name in the SMTP messages? |
| 08:36.03 | wols_ | vsmatck: no. you are not wrong. but neither is fbh wrong. maybe take it to PM to learn how to communicate instead of doing it in the open? |
| 08:36.23 | wols_ | vsmatck: they store IP ranges in case of dialup RBLs |
| 08:36.58 | fbh | vsmatck: A dns name is nothing but an alias for the IP address. So even if you have foo.bar.com dynamically changing to your IP address in the.. say. 172.294.0.0/16 range, and that range is blocked, it does not matter which of those IP addresses your hostname points to, it will still be blocked. |
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| 08:37.22 | fbh | and no, 172.294 is not a valid range. it's an example. |
| 08:37.25 | jelly | fbh: it doesn't stop receiving mail, though |
| 08:37.33 | vsmatck | fbh: That has nothing to do with it being dynamic. There is nothing inherently wrong with a dynamic IP address for a mail server. |
| 08:37.48 | Arrowmaster | yes there is |
| 08:37.49 | jelly | fbh: and a typical ISP will have a smarthost available for customers to send mail thru |
| 08:37.55 | vsmatck | If your dynamic range is blocked, your mail server is blocked yes. |
| 08:38.08 | wols_ | jelly: I wish |
| 08:38.14 | vsmatck | But your static address could be blocked as well. So being blocked is not intrinsically linked with it being dynamic. |
| 08:38.31 | rgroid | yes it is since you do |
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| 08:38.38 | fbh | vsmatck: I never said that it was. |
| 08:38.55 | jelly | wols_: then it'd be time to change providers |
| 08:39.11 | rgroid | dont know range when dynamic. you can unblo@k or request unblocked fixed. |
| 08:39.18 | wols_ | jelly: welcome to the wonderful world of quasi monopols |
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| 08:39.44 | vsmatck | fbh: "Having a mailserver on a dynamic IP address will get it listed in various RBL's." Perhaps you meant something else. I think we got it cleared up now anyways. |
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| 08:40.22 | Arrowmaster | it will already be listed in various RBL's just because its a dynamic IP, not because you are running a mail server on it |
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| 08:40.29 | rgroid | having a mailserver on dynamic is nuts. |
| 08:40.32 | nsadmin | two things you do not want on a dynamic IP address are mail servers and dns servers. |
| 08:40.39 | fbh | jelly: No it won't stop receiving e-mails, unless your IP address changes and the TTL has not yet expired on the A record for the dynamic IP. But no matter what, having a mail server on a dynamic IP address is not a good idea. |
| 08:42.35 | jelly | fbh: $employer has customers with such a setup; however we also give them a secondary mx to collect mail while they're offline |
| 08:43.30 | fbh | jelly: Well we have customers with dynamic IP addresses as well, but they do not have access to backup MX. If they want mailserver at home they will get a static IP. If not, they will not have access to backup MX. |
| 08:43.52 | rgroid | the hostname can end up being blacklisted too. mailserver on dip is crazy. |
| 08:44.32 | fbh | Mail on dynamic IP addresses is just plain stupid. If the server gets owned and starts sending out spam in enormous amounts, it will get all the IP addresses it gets in the compromised period, banned around. |
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| 08:45.18 | Arrowmaster | if google apps wasnt so easy to use and free i would just pay for a VPS and setup a mail server on it instead of messing with one on my home connection |
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| 08:46.25 | Dassu | I personally prefer gmail over my uni's email. dunno if that's smart in the securities pov |
| 08:46.57 | jpinx-eeepc | Dassu: depends on what you have to hide ;) |
| 08:47.05 | fbh | I run my own mailserver but I have it sitting in a rack at work, with a static IP :P |
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| 08:47.39 | vsmatck | I run my own mailserver but I have it sitting 5 ft away on my dynamic IP. |
| 08:47.41 | fbh | jpinx-eeepc: Just regular privacy. |
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| 08:49.11 | jpinx-eeepc | fbh: one persons "regular privacy" would be seen as paranoia by someone else |
| 08:49.50 | fbh | jpinx-eeepc: Well, if so, why even secure the inbox with a password? Why not ust a field to enter the e-mail address and then access to the inbox. |
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| 08:52.14 | vallhalla | i installed a deb file via dpkg it didnt fully install and i cant remove it with dpkg -i can anyone advise? |
| 08:52.48 | aurz | apt-get install -f |
| 08:53.08 | vallhalla | aurz: i have tryedthat also |
| 08:53.30 | vsmatck | http://www.dyndns.com/support/kb/dns_caching.html and http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2821.txt TTL times are super low for dynamic DNS. SMTP requires retransmission. You won't lose anything. There is no technical reason why mail server on ISP with dynamic IP and smart host wouldn't work fine. |
| 08:54.01 | vsmatck | is done with topic but will read any replies. |
| 08:54.14 | vallhalla | aurz: i get error code one when i try that |
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| 08:54.39 | vsmatck | Oh section 4.5.4.1 in that first link btw. |
| 08:54.47 | jpinx-eeepc | vallhalla: what .deb file and where did you get it? |
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| 08:55.18 | vallhalla | it is on for installing kde on a debian based phone |
| 08:55.30 | vallhalla | jpinx-eeepc: ^ |
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| 08:56.05 | jpinx-eeepc | vallhalla: nokia 900? |
| 08:56.24 | vallhalla | jpinx-eeepc: that would be the one :) |
| 08:56.37 | musca | there is #maemo for N900 |
| 08:56.41 | jpinx-eeepc | !debian-based |
| 08:56.42 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't know what changes were made by your distribution and it probably falls short of Debian's standards. #debian only supports Debian; you should respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 08:56.56 | rozie | hello again |
| 08:57.02 | jpinx-eeepc | vallhalla: âââ |
| 08:57.07 | rozie | anybody uses compcache on 2.6.34? |
| 08:57.16 | rozie | compcache 0.6.2 |
| 08:57.23 | vallhalla | jpinx-eeepc: but it is debian i am running in a chroot |
| 08:57.50 | jpinx-eeepc | !anyone |
| 08:57.51 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 08:57.58 | vallhalla | hence being here no maemo |
| 08:57.59 | jpinx-eeepc | rozie: ââââ |
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| 08:58.29 | jpinx-eeepc | vallhalla: I considered buying one of those, but the keyboard is too small for my shovelhands |
| 08:59.00 | jelly | vallhalla: can you provide actual command you ran, its full output, debian release and architecture used? |
| 08:59.01 | rozie | jpinx-eeepc: yep, sorry |
| 08:59.08 | rozie | my problem is http://pastebin.com/8an2QCwc |
| 08:59.15 | vallhalla | jpinx-eeepc: i thrt that too but went for it any howand with the on screen kb it works well |
| 08:59.30 | jelly | vallhalla: if it's not a Debian-provided package, this channel might not be of much help |
| 09:00.01 | rozie | so, compcache 0.6.2 does not compile on my Lenny/testing/sid with custom 2.6.34 kernel |
| 09:00.35 | jpinx-eeepc | vallhalla: forgive my avoiding your question, but why KDE - why not lxde lightweight desktop? |
| 09:00.58 | xro | hi, if i have to run a script and to export a var on a remote machine throught cronjob. Can i do it like that? http://dpaste.com/201751/ |
| 09:01.00 | jpinx-eeepc | rozie: we really only look after standard debian installs here |
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| 09:01.46 | jelly | jpinx-eeepc: it's a debian install, just with a custom kernel |
| 09:02.02 | themill | dpkg: tell rozie about bobbitt |
| 09:02.03 | jpinx-eeepc | jelly: mixed versions? |
| 09:02.21 | jelly | oh, didn't notice that |
| 09:02.30 | nsadmin | if you have a Lenny/testing/sid this makes it VERY hard to figure out what you have,,, so many people will say... |
| 09:02.34 | nsadmin | you figure it out |
| 09:03.22 | vallhalla | jelly: i installed the package be dpkg -i pac.deb it faild install saying it could not remove a file as it didnt excist but it did install to some extent as when i try to apt-get upgrade/install it complans about this deb needing reinstalling but unable to do that or remove it |
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| 09:03.55 | rozie | well, pure Lenny is too obsolete for desktop |
| 09:04.10 | vallhalla | jpinx-eeepc: i was just running tests tosee if i could run some kde dependant programs |
| 09:04.14 | jpinx-eeepc | rozie: you mixed it, so you sort it out ;) |
| 09:04.16 | rozie | OTOH testing may be not stable enough |
| 09:04.33 | jelly | rozie: instead of mixing releases, the proper way to get newer versions of selected few packages is using backports |
| 09:04.36 | Arrowmaster | testing is fine |
| 09:04.39 | rozie | i guess it's just compcache/gcc/kernel thing |
| 09:04.40 | nsadmin | so if you mix them, do you think the result is somewhere inbetween? |
| 09:04.55 | rozie | that's why I'm asking if anybody uses compcache |
| 09:05.05 | jelly | rozie: mixing stable and testing is worse, from a distribution standpoint, than using testing |
| 09:05.08 | jpinx-eeepc | !anybody |
| 09:05.09 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 09:05.19 | jpinx-eeepc | rozie: stop it |
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| 09:05.47 | rozie | jpinx-eeepc: it was explanation. |
| 09:06.48 | jpinx-eeepc | vallhalla: I see nothing called pac in the repos |
| 09:06.48 | OpenTokix | You know you are handling lots of data all of a sudden when 100Mbit internet feels really really slow |
| 09:07.14 | jpinx-eeepc | vallhalla: as I asked before, where did you get this .deb? |
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| 09:09.55 | jelly | vallhalla: a) that package is broken, and b) I asked for full output because it would be helpful in debugging |
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| 09:10.55 | rozie | well, fixed |
| 09:11.03 | jelly | even though the package is not part of Debian, and technically reason to yell offtopic, helping to recover from such a situation has some instructional value |
| 09:11.10 | rozie | compcache C issue |
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| 09:11.23 | xro | how can i export a var on a remote machine througth ssh? |
| 09:11.43 | wols_ | xro: export in what way? |
| 09:11.52 | rozie | not "mixed distro problem" |
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| 09:12.34 | nsadmin | the problem with mixed dists is they are harder to support... if you do them on purpose, you're making it harder to help you, ON PURPOSE. |
| 09:12.49 | xro | wols_, set a var on a remote machine... like ssh user@remotemachine "export working_dir = /var"... but it seems to be wrong |
| 09:13.00 | rozie | get real. compcache has nothing to do with distro |
| 09:13.03 | jelly | rozie: that may be true, but we can't know if the reason is mixing parts of the toolchain from different releases or not |
| 09:13.09 | icebrain | xro: echo $VAR > file; scp file remotehost; export VAR="`cat file`" ? |
| 09:13.13 | jpinx-eeepc | vallhalla: I'm interested to know how you get on with debian on that phone - it is still an option for me |
| 09:13.15 | vallhalla | jelly: what out put would you like what command would help you more? |
| 09:13.19 | icebrain | xro: doins |
| 09:13.22 | icebrain | sorry |
| 09:13.29 | jelly | "vallhalla: can you provide actual command you ran, its full output, debian release and architecture used?" |
| 09:13.33 | vallhalla | jpinx-eeepc: it is awsome |
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| 09:14.16 | rozie | so, guys, all of you are running just one Debian version, with no apt-pinning, no external programs, and on generic kernel? |
| 09:14.24 | xro | icebrain, there isn't a simpler way? write in a file then read it seems to be too complicate! |
| 09:14.51 | wols_ | rozie: do you have a debian related support question or are you just trolling? so far you haven't describe the problem worth a damn. instead youz whined, but that you did a lot |
| 09:14.51 | nsadmin | rozie: maybe we are, but we're taking care of them ourselves |
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| 09:15.58 | themill | rozie: yes. If I wanted to break apt or make my life a misery I'm sure I could do so, but I'd rather not, tyvm. |
| 09:16.00 | icebrain | xro: if it's a one time thing, it's not that hard. If not, write a script to do it for you. I don't know any other way to export a shell var |
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| 09:16.49 | icebrain | xro: but doing only "export VAR=..." and then closing the session won't keep the var for new sessions - you know that, right? You'll have to put it in .bashrc |
| 09:16.52 | xro | icebrain, i need to implement it in a cron command... |
| 09:16.53 | themill | xro: ssh/sshd have SendEnv and AcceptEnv options. |
| 09:18.07 | vallhalla | jelly: the comand i ran to install was dpkg -i kde-mmc.deb and the error was cannot remove /etc/nss_mdns.conf no such file or directory dpkg error while cleaning up error exit status 1 |
| 09:18.34 | xro | themill, i'll look for |
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| 09:22.53 | jpinx-eeepc | vallhalla: would itbe too obvious to create the missing file manually and try again? |
| 09:23.29 | vallhalla | jpinx-eeepc: i did try that too same error odly enough |
| 09:23.51 | jpinx-eeepc | that is just wierd |
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| 09:24.34 | jpinx-eeepc | vallhalla: try putting some garbage text into the file - it might not like an empty file... |
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| 09:25.01 | xro | icebrain, themill, do you think that will work like that --> 0 2 * * * ssh user@remoteMachine "working_dir=`/var` && path/script.sh &" |
| 09:25.46 | vallhalla | jpinx-eeepc: could be |
| 09:26.24 | icebrain | xro: when setting vars to run just a command, you don't use the &&, just set the var right before the command |
| 09:26.57 | icebrain | xro: if you want the var to stay during the whole bash session, you'd have to use "export" |
| 09:27.25 | jpinx-eeepc | vallhalla: I'd try a few tricks like that - alternately trying install and remove with dpkg or aptitude |
| 09:27.30 | xro | sicebrain, i need only to execute this script, so i could use it like --> ssh user@remoteMachine "working_dir=`/var` path/script.sh &" |
| 09:28.38 | ronr | hi, I got my debian system installed on 2 2TB harddisks configured in LVM to get me something that looks like a 4TB hd, now smart is telling me one of my disks is failing (/dev/sda, /dev/sdb is healthy), there's currently enough free disk space in the LVM to fit on /dev/sdb, is it possible to remove /dev/sda and run on /dev/sdb alone and later add a new /dev/sda? (is there a howto which would describe how?) |
| 09:28.43 | icebrain | xro: I'm not sure you can launch it in the background that way, sorry - if ssh kills the shell before closing, I'd think the script will be killed too |
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| 09:30.16 | icebrain | xro: I think you have to run it under nohup to avoid getting it killed - man nohup |
| 09:30.32 | xro | icebrain, launching script like that is not a problem... that works fine... my only problem is to set a var value... if i do ssh user@remoteMachine "a=aaa echo $a" i get a blank line.... |
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| 09:32.34 | icebrain | xro: it seems I was mistaken. But use SendEnv as themill suggested |
| 09:32.49 | vallhalla | jpinx-eeepc: trying it now |
| 09:33.13 | xro | icebrain, oki... |
| 09:33.28 | jpinx-eeepc | vallhalla: I have met a similar problem a while ago - i can't remember how I fixed it, but it was by "buggering about" ;) |
| 09:33.44 | vallhalla | jpinx-eeepc: oftern works lol |
| 09:35.50 | bzed | ronr: pvmove will help you |
| 09:36.00 | bzed | ronr: the manpage should explain everything well enough |
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| 09:36.40 | bzed | ronr: pvmove /dev/sda /dev/sdb - if I remember right :) |
| 09:36.57 | bzed | ronr: when that is done, you should be able to remove sda from the VG |
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| 09:39.36 | ronr | bzed: thx, I'm off reading the docs |
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| 09:44.51 | freeman2411 | hi guys where I can find help about network in which channel? |
| 09:46.22 | poisonbit | network ? mmm #Netfilter ? |
| 09:46.31 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:46.34 | poisonbit | if it's about debian networking, you can ask here |
| 09:47.01 | wols_ | freeman2411: alternatively: go to #debian.de and ask in german |
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| 09:57.53 | Kazuha | wols_: "cat /dev/urandom >/dev/dsp" produced nothing, likewise, the modules indicated are loaded. |
| 09:57.57 | unixp | hey i want to connect from my debian pc to a win xp home client. Samba is running, i get a ping to the pcs. How must i connect from the debian pc to the xp machine? |
| 09:58.10 | petemc | unixp: define connect |
| 09:58.30 | unixp | petemc, easily show files to copy data |
| 09:58.42 | unixp | petemc, or new window |
| 09:58.47 | petemc | unixp: then you need to define a share on one of the machines and mount it on the other |
| 09:59.00 | Kazuha | Probably the XP box. |
| 09:59.13 | unixp | petemc, i defined a share on the debian |
| 09:59.24 | vlt | unixp: You can mount it using mount.cifs or use something like konqueror's smb:// kio slave |
| 09:59.48 | vlt | unixp: In which direction do you need to access? |
| 10:00.13 | unixp | vlt, from debian to xp |
| 10:00.48 | ronr | pvdisplay tells me both physical volume in my lv is Allocatable: yes (but full), vgdisplay tells me the VG size id 3.6TB and df tells me I'm using 50GB, pvmove tells me I can't move everything away from the /dev/sda3 physical volume because no extend is available, what am I missing here (the second PV should easily be able to hold that 50GB) |
| 10:00.55 | vlt | unixp: Then read my previous post. |
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| 10:01.46 | vlt | ronr: Can you paste `pvs`, `vgs` and `lvs` please? |
| 10:01.59 | wols_ | Kazuha: went down the alsa checklist? |
| 10:02.16 | wols_ | Kazuha: also, what soundcard exactly? and what kernel version? |
| 10:02.21 | unixp | vlt, can u show a simple mount.cifs command to connect? |
| 10:02.40 | unixp | vlt, mount.cifs ip 192.168.0.2? |
| 10:03.22 | wols_ | unixp: mount -t cifs //192.168.0.2/share /mnt |
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| 10:03.33 | wols_ | -o username=xxxx is very helpful too |
| 10:03.46 | vlt | Hello. I'm running `aptitude update` on a Debian squeeze machine but it stops at "97% [Working]FATAL -> Could not set non-blocking flag Bad file descriptor". Any idea where to look first? |
| 10:04.20 | vlt | (aptitude is running in chroot, btw) |
| 10:04.37 | rozie | vlt: check lockfile |
| 10:04.39 | wols_ | not enough diskspace? |
| 10:04.56 | wols_ | vlt: is it a special sources.list entry only maybe? |
| 10:05.02 | rozie | vlt: if not exists, try to remount FS RO and fsck it |
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| 10:05.13 | vlt | wols_: No, only main |
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| 10:05.23 | unixp | wols_, i get: Mounting the DFS root for domain not implented yet |
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| 10:06.36 | Lumee | hi, anyone knows how can I get the process that is listening in a port? I can't do netstat -p. There are any /proc file for get this information? |
| 10:06.59 | wols_ | Lumee: are you root? |
| 10:07.10 | Lumee | wols_: yes i am |
| 10:07.19 | wols_ | then why cant you use netstat? |
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| 10:08.16 | vlt | rozie: I removed /var/local/aptitude and tried again. Same result |
| 10:08.22 | vlt | lock |
| 10:08.26 | vlt | actually |
| 10:08.39 | Lumee | wols_: because I'm working on a small device that works with a embebed linux. And I haven't all the tools I have in a standard pc with linux |
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| 10:09.40 | administrador | hi |
| 10:09.46 | administrador | ups |
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| 10:10.48 | wols_ | Lumee: that's nice but how does it relate to debian? |
| 10:11.26 | olal | i recent installed hdd as slave on debian |
| 10:11.30 | rozie | vlt: there may be dpkg lock also |
| 10:11.39 | olal | i can see it but cant mount |
| 10:11.42 | rozie | dpkg/dselect |
| 10:11.57 | Lumee | wols_: Debian is not only for pc :D The truth is that I am using debian |
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| 10:12.08 | vlt | rozie: /var/lock is empty |
| 10:12.11 | wols_ | olal: you need to partition it and then create a filesystem on the partition |
| 10:12.34 | wols_ | Lumee: the truth is that debian ALWAYS installs netstat. hence it is not a debian problem, is it? |
| 10:12.40 | olal | i make partition with gparted |
| 10:12.47 | olal | ext3 |
| 10:12.56 | vlt | rozie: I rsync'd the whole root fs, so it should be very unlikely I need fsck, right? |
| 10:13.00 | wols_ | olal: how are you trying to mount it? |
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| 10:13.08 | olal | maual |
| 10:13.19 | olal | mount ext3/hdb/mnt .... |
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| 10:13.30 | Lumee | wols_: Is something usual on embebed decived crosscompile your own busybox |
| 10:13.52 | wols_ | Lumee: it doesn't matter. you do not run debian on said box. hence OT |
| 10:13.56 | Lumee | I have netstat but -p option is not allowed on busybux netstat |
| 10:13.57 | wols_ | you might be happier with emdebian |
| 10:14.13 | wols_ | !emdebian |
| 10:14.35 | wols_ | since dpkg is AWOL, just google it instead |
| 10:14.54 | jelly | apt: test |
| 10:14.55 | apt | Failed! |
| 10:15.02 | jelly | apt: emdebian |
| 10:15.03 | apt | i heard emdebian is a project focused on extending Debian's reach into the embedded space; it is an independent project and not formally associated with the Debian distrobution [yet]. It aims to make Debian GNU/Linux a mainstream choice for embedded Linux. Check out http://www.emdebian.org/ as well as http://familiar.handhelds.org/ |
| 10:15.05 | jpinx-eeepc | wols_: is there no another bot? |
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| 10:15.29 | ethanol | jpinx-eeepc: I think it has just been located. |
| 10:15.39 | jelly | %test |
| 10:15.41 | ravenbird | No, jelly, you're not online any more. |
| 10:15.48 | jpinx-eeepc | :) |
| 10:15.48 | vlt | tried `apt-get update` |
| 10:15.57 | wols_ | jpinx-eeepc: the dpkg replacements aren't always up to date |
| 10:16.05 | ziarkaen | Is there a way to get access to a local mysql DB (preferably using the default mysql client) without typing my root password as a cmd-line argument? |
| 10:16.19 | jelly | ravenbird: emdebian |
| 10:16.20 | ravenbird | a project focused on extending Debian's reach into the embedded space; it is an independent project and not formally associated with the Debian distrobution [yet]. It aims to make Debian GNU/Linux a mainstream choice for embedded Linux. Check out http://www.emdebian.org/ as well as http://familiar.handhelds.org/ |
| 10:16.25 | ethanol | ziarkaen: #mysql |
| 10:16.34 | ethanol | ziarkaen: but sure, removing the password would allow that |
| 10:16.37 | wols_ | ziarkaen: the mysql password doesn't have to be the root password... it's a different one |
| 10:16.46 | jelly | wols_: ravenbird ought to have a recent factoid db snapshot |
| 10:16.51 | ethanol | ziarkaen: or you can set one in ~/my.cnf |
| 10:17.04 | ziarkaen | wols_, I meant the mysql 'root' user's PW, sorry. |
| 10:17.06 | jelly | ravenbird: factinfo qotd260 |
| 10:17.07 | ravenbird | jelly: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. |
| 10:17.09 | jelly | ravenbird: factinfo qotd255 |
| 10:17.10 | ravenbird | jelly: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. |
| 10:17.13 | jelly | ravenbird: factinfo qotd250 |
| 10:17.15 | ravenbird | jelly: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. |
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| 10:17.21 | jelly | hides |
| 10:17.36 | olal | http://debian.pastebin.com/2WBURTYT |
| 10:17.45 | olal | any idea? |
| 10:18.22 | wols_ | olal: yes. man mount and use the right command |
| 10:18.26 | ethanol | olal: uh, yeah, the error is quite clear |
| 10:18.44 | wols_ | something along the line of "mount -t ext3 /dev/sdXy /mnt" |
| 10:18.53 | wols_ | note: spaces between command options are not optional |
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| 10:21.05 | olal | i put before this but still don't work mount -t ext3/dev/hdb/mnt/hdd500 |
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| 10:22.01 | ethanol | dude |
| 10:22.04 | wols_ | olal: you still make the same stupid error |
| 10:22.09 | ethanol | olal: you're using a relative path to begin with |
| 10:22.16 | wols_ | olal: SPACES are IMPORTANT |
| 10:22.22 | ethanol | olal: what wols_ said :< |
| 10:22.39 | wols_ | olal: and /dev/hdb is no partition either |
| 10:23.16 | degato | fdisk -l |
| 10:23.25 | wols_ | degato: read his pastebin entry |
| 10:24.13 | ronr | vlt: http://pastebin.com/FuaCqBxB |
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| 10:24.57 | degato | wols: missed that ty |
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| 10:25.28 | vlt | ronr: All your PVs arr full, there's nothing to move. What did you expect? |
| 10:25.33 | vlt | *are |
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| 10:26.13 | ronr | vlt: well, I only really using 50GB I expected them to not be full |
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| 10:26.28 | ethanol | ronr: then you failed to meet your own expectancies |
| 10:26.29 | ethanol | :< |
| 10:26.41 | vlt | ronr: You're using 3.6TB |
| 10:27.08 | vlt | ronr: for root and 23GB for usr |
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| 10:27.29 | olal | ok is clear my error |
| 10:27.35 | vlt | ronr: You have to lvresize first to make space availyble |
| 10:27.54 | ronr | vlt: yeah, but df tells me for /: 3.6T 50G 3.4T 2% /, how can 3.4T be available and used at the same time? |
| 10:27.58 | ronr | vlt: ah, I see |
| 10:28.06 | vlt | ronr: Depending on ehat is on LV "root" and "usr" maybe you need to resize2fs first. |
| 10:28.07 | ronr | vlt: it's sort of reserved |
| 10:28.16 | vlt | ronr: df is only for file systems |
| 10:28.41 | ronr | vlt: ok, thx, I think I got it now, at least I have some things to look into now |
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| 10:28.56 | vlt | ronr: Usually you put a file system on a block device. This block device _can_ be an LVM LV or a crypt device or raid ... |
| 10:29.41 | vlt | ronr: The output of `mount` should tell you on what layer you got your file system with 3.4TB free |
| 10:30.32 | vlt | ronr: Then you can resize2fs the file system (in most cases you need to umount first for shrinking, while enlarging works online) |
| 10:30.43 | olal | ok i new in debian haow i can mount in on start? thanks |
| 10:31.02 | degato | edit your /etc/fstab |
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| 10:31.10 | ronr | vlt: yes, I'll have to wait for quiet hours before doing that |
| 10:31.19 | vlt | ronr: When the file system is small enough you can shrink the device below it too. If this is /dev/mapper/kobe-root, use lvresize |
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| 10:31.21 | olal | ok thanks |
| 10:31.47 | vlt | is out for lunch now, ronr. |
| 10:32.02 | ronr | vlt: thx for all the help! |
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| 10:33.45 | themill | Is there a nice little utility to create a uuid-based line for /etc/fstab? or is it just copy+paste from blkid? |
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| 10:36.53 | wols_ | themill: I suggest you run ubuntu. they have a nice python based gui utility somewhere for editing fstab :) |
| 10:37.03 | themill | meow! |
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| 10:37.37 | liable | must be an oldish box, the installers been using uuid for a while now |
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| 10:37.50 | liable | like 2 years? |
| 10:38.08 | themill | that assumes that the hard drive in question wasn't only just plugged in for the first time 5 min ago... |
| 10:38.18 | wols_ | my lenny installed didn't do any uuid magic |
| 10:38.20 | liable | oh true :P |
| 10:38.27 | wols_ | *installer |
| 10:39.09 | liable | wols_: odd |
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| 10:40.00 | Arrowmaster | the top of my fstab even says to use 'vol_id --uuid' to get uuids for use with UUID= |
| 10:40.48 | themill | Arrowmaster: interesting that vol_id has to be run as root while blkid doesn't... |
| 10:41.31 | Arrowmaster | more interesting is that i dont even have vol_id |
| 10:41.39 | liable | me either |
| 10:41.50 | themill | it's in the udev package... |
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| 10:42.18 | liable | not in mine :P |
| 10:42.21 | Arrowmaster | im running squeeze |
| 10:42.54 | themill | ,file vol_id --release sid |
| 10:42.58 | judd | vol_id in sid/i386: fai-client: usr/lib/fai/fai-vol_id; cryptsetup: lib/cryptsetup/checks/un_vol_id, lib/cryptsetup/checks/vol_id |
| 10:43.03 | themill | *shrug* |
| 10:43.17 | Arrowmaster | ,file vol_id --release lenny |
| 10:43.19 | judd | vol_id in lenny/i386: udev: lib/udev/vol_id, sbin/vol_id, usr/share/doc/udev/README.vol_id; cryptsetup: lib/cryptsetup/checks/un_vol_id, lib/cryptsetup/checks/vol_id |
| 10:43.52 | themill | Arrowmaster: was yours a lenny install that you upgraded to squeeze? |
| 10:43.57 | Arrowmaster | no |
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| 10:44.44 | Arrowmaster | it was done from a squeeze netinst |
| 10:45.44 | themill | well, the newest installer shouldn't be telling people to use tools that no longer exist. :( |
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| 10:46.12 | themill | !wb |
| 10:46.12 | dpkg | thanks, themill. It's good to be back. |
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| 10:46.22 | liable | it doesnt in my fsatb |
| 10:46.30 | liable | fstab* |
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| 10:48.08 | ziarkaen | Is it good practise for the user 'www-data' to own everything in /var/www (my http server root)? |
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| 10:56.11 | wols_ | ziarkaen: no |
| 10:56.56 | ziarkaen | wols_, elaborate? |
| 10:57.03 | ziarkaen | Who else should own the data? |
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| 10:58.19 | sivang | hi all |
| 10:58.36 | sivang | I'd like to use stunnel in the same manner pub/private keys are used to enable passwordless logins to hosts. |
| 10:58.56 | sivang | I want a client to be able to connect to a server only if the identify is verified using it's priv key |
| 10:59.03 | sivang | as the server has it's pub key. |
| 10:59.03 | wols_ | ziarkaen: users should. if www-data owns the files there, then the webserver process can change files. e.g. it can insert malicious javascript into html files for example |
| 11:00.02 | ziarkaen | Oh OK. Thanks. |
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| 11:03.06 | icebrain | sivang: never used stunnel, but you can do tunneling using SSH's port forwarding: http://www.ssh.com/support/documentation/online/ssh/adminguide/32/Port_Forwarding.html |
| 11:03.59 | sivang | icebrain: right, it actually might prove to be simpler. stunnel seems to lack good docs. |
| 11:04.13 | sivang | icebrain: I know that , but wanted to use stunnel as people metnioned it is lighter. |
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| 11:05.15 | ethanol | I use a basic ssh tunnel |
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| 11:05.31 | ethanol | no extra application or anything required |
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| 11:08.11 | sivang | ethanol: how performant is that? |
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| 11:10.23 | sivang | there's a debhelper in the channel?! :) |
| 11:10.31 | sivang | can I ask it to build my package? |
| 11:10.49 | obcecado | well, you can ask |
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| 11:11.48 | sivang | obcecado: what's the grammer? :) |
| 11:12.10 | ethanol | sivang: well I use it so our remove dbserver can replicate from our local db server (since it cannot connect from the outside to here, I setup a tunnel from here to there) |
| 11:12.17 | ethanol | sivang: it's up 24/7 basically |
| 11:12.22 | ethanol | s/remove/remote/ |
| 11:12.32 | sivang | ethanol: exactly my use case |
| 11:12.47 | sivang | ethanol: but people int he office suggested stunnel |
| 11:13.03 | sivang | goes to ask if stunnel is SO mandatory |
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| 11:13.20 | jelly | dpkg: tell sivang about ssh without password |
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| 11:13.23 | ethanol | I dont see why one would get another tool that basically does what ssh can do itself just fine |
| 11:13.37 | jelly | sivang: also, autossh may be helpful |
| 11:14.01 | ethanol | sivang: I took bits and pieces from this http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/539 |
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| 11:15.16 | optraz | what app to read /etc/localtime? |
| 11:15.21 | unixp | how was the simple chmod 777 command to give rights |
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| 11:15.26 | unixp | to directories |
| 11:16.18 | sivang | ethanol: nice, but TCP forwarding is enough for me given it does PKI auth and encrypts comm :) |
| 11:16.26 | sivang | thanks jelly |
| 11:16.44 | jelly | optraz: are you really jsut trying to see what's in there, or are you trying to see if it's correct and set it up correctly? |
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| 11:17.16 | jelly | !tell optraz about tz |
| 11:17.29 | sivang | now I just need to see how this works in CentOS |
| 11:17.41 | sivang | e.g. if I have all the softwawre building there. |
| 11:17.51 | sivang | production uses centos :/ |
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| 11:19.16 | jelly | sivang: ssh and ssh-keygen and other bits of OpenSSH are present in almost all Linux distros |
| 11:19.30 | sivang | jelly: yeah, I know, autossh is my concenr |
| 11:19.37 | ethanol | autossh is not a requirement |
| 11:19.39 | ethanol | I don't use it either |
| 11:19.50 | sivang | ethanol: how do you keepalive your connections? |
| 11:19.50 | optraz | jelly: yes, to see usign script |
| 11:19.51 | jelly | you might have to get it from source or an alternate repo for RHEL/CentOS |
| 11:20.14 | jelly | like EPEL or Dag Wieers' |
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| 11:20.29 | ethanol | sivang: set the keep alive timeouts really low and put this in crontab :') * * * * * /sbin/ifup tun0 &> /dev/null |
| 11:20.54 | jelly | oh that's fugly ;-) |
| 11:21.00 | sivang | ethanol: ah, so you use the tun if OpenSSH can start, I just want port forwarding |
| 11:21.11 | ethanol | jelly: yeah it is :P |
| 11:21.13 | optraz | jelly: what app that read /etc/lcoaltime? |
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| 11:21.26 | ethanol | optraz: nothing, it's obfuscated so nobody can ever read it |
| 11:21.27 | jelly | optraz: "date" |
| 11:21.45 | optraz | date wont show Asia/Singapore |
| 11:22.01 | ethanol | wont show? |
| 11:22.18 | jelly | optraz: I think that data is not present once the file is in /etc/localtime |
| 11:22.32 | themill | "TZ=Asia/Singapore date" wfm... |
| 11:22.32 | optraz | ok, where can we get the timezone? |
| 11:22.48 | optraz | themill: no, that's wont set in some system |
| 11:22.48 | themill | optraz: /etc/timezone |
| 11:23.04 | themill | optraz: "won't set"? |
| 11:23.11 | themill | is struggling here... |
| 11:23.17 | optraz | yes, the env, TZ |
| 11:23.19 | jelly | optraz: date will say "SGT" though, what's the real issue here? |
| 11:23.34 | optraz | i want to set Asia/Singapore in /etc/php.ini |
| 11:24.06 | ethanol | sivang: well I use the tunnel cause I also mounted a partition over it |
| 11:24.30 | themill | bleh... php tz snafu |
| 11:24.33 | ethanol | sivang: so just port forwarding wasn't sufficient |
| 11:24.35 | Tau | oh my god, i am trying desperately to read a file with extension .rmvb. |
| 11:24.51 | ethanol | Tau: give up, buy a windows machine |
| 11:24.57 | Tau | ethanol: lol |
| 11:25.00 | Tau | ethanol: no. |
| 11:25.05 | ethanol | Tau: lol, yes. |
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| 11:25.21 | ethanol | Tau: or get your content in a less obscure format. |
| 11:25.27 | jelly | optraz: you want it _only_ for php, and not for other parts of the OS? |
| 11:25.52 | Tau | ethanol: that's the problem, the most movies from the internet are in .rmvb. |
| 11:26.11 | jelly | optraz: for the whole OS, use what dpkg told you (dpkg-reconfigure tzdata, I believe) |
| 11:26.48 | jelly | themill: I haven't encountered this before, is it similar to java tz snafu? |
| 11:27.54 | optraz | jelly: dpkg-reconfigure is not feasible, it would be able to retreive from shell script and the set into php.ini |
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| 11:28.28 | themill | jelly: not sure what java's problem is... but php redefines how its date/time functions work every few minor releases so you have to stick huge piles of work arounds in any code that PHP is using. Then there's the whole "what do you mean by the TZ anyway" problem -- TZ of the server or TZ of the user agent for the person accessing the content... |
| 11:29.09 | jelly | themill: jre/jdk used to come with their own tz data |
| 11:29.22 | themill | jelly: yay. where could it go wrong? |
| 11:30.11 | jelly | Tau: mplayer (from d-m) doesn't play it? |
| 11:30.15 | ethanol | Tau: lol.. are you kidding? |
| 11:30.33 | ethanol | Tau: most movies from internet are .rmvb? and what internet would you be using? |
| 11:31.21 | themill | ethanol: s/internet/the pr0n site Tau has paid his subscription to/ at a guess. |
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| 11:31.54 | Kamping_Kaiser | *g* |
| 11:32.01 | ethanol | whats wrong with free porn? :< |
| 11:32.33 | Tau | ethanol: well, there is a lot of movies in .rmvb, i find for .avi but i didn't find what i wanted. |
| 11:32.52 | jelly | Tau: can you provide an example URL? |
| 11:32.53 | ethanol | Tau: weird fetish? |
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| 11:33.28 | jelly | Tau: or upload an example file someplace |
| 11:33.53 | unixp | how was the simple chmod 777 command to give rightsto directories? |
| 11:34.16 | ethanol | unixp: hi. what? |
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| 11:37.34 | unixp | ethanol, i want to give a folder all write and read rights how was the chmod command? |
| 11:39.24 | dosius | man chmod |
| 11:39.26 | dominet | unixp: chmod 777 |
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| 11:40.19 | dosius | chmod rwx foldername -R |
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| 11:40.33 | dominet | ...which means rwx-rwx-rwx = 1+2+4-1+2+4-1+2+4 |
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| 11:46.09 | Tau | ethanol: i got, heheh, i have to download some codecs to put in /usr/bin/win32. |
| 11:47.35 | Kamping_Kaiser | anyone chmoding stuff to 777 deserves a slapping |
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| 11:48.52 | jelly | chmods Kamping_Kaiser to 1777 instead with his sticky bit |
| 11:49.01 | mike77800 | slaps himself |
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| 11:49.24 | poisonbit | recursive is a plus |
| 11:50.07 | Kamping_Kaiser | jelly: :s |
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| 11:55.23 | xerophyte | does anybody know how to concert caf (apple core audio file) into mp3 .. i tried pacpl its says (Supported file format but unsupported encoding.) does anybody know if this can be done ? |
| 11:56.42 | wols_ | xerophyte: is there DRM involved? |
| 11:56.48 | xerophyte | wols_: nope |
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| 11:57.00 | xerophyte | wols_: its just iphone recoreded songs |
| 11:57.08 | xerophyte | wols_: is there anyway we can convert that |
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| 11:58.36 | Alam_Squeeze | you try with mplayer and use '-ao pcm' to output to a WAV file |
| 11:59.53 | jelly | xerophyte: you might have to transcode (and lose some quality in the process) |
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| 12:00.35 | jelly | xerophyte: can you play it with mplayer? |
| 12:00.48 | jelly | if you can, then you'll be able to recode with eg. mencoder |
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| 12:01.37 | xerophyte | jelly: i could not |
| 12:01.51 | jelly | xerophyte: mplayer from Debian or d-m? |
| 12:01.53 | jelly | !d-m |
| 12:01.53 | dpkg | [dmm] Debian Multimedia is a repository of unofficial packages maintained by Christian Marillat, not in Debian for patent-related reasons. For information on how to access, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm lenny> <dmm squeeze>. During 2010, this repository grew a non-free part, with all binary-only packages moved there; you may need to add " non-free" to your sources lines. |
| 12:02.20 | xerophyte | jelly: jelly yes .. icould not open the file its says could not determine the stream type |
| 12:02.53 | jelly | xerophyte: yes is not a proper answer to "A or B?" :-P |
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| 12:05.58 | xerophyte | jelly: i have Ubuntu |
| 12:05.58 | jelly | xerophyte: boy are you in the wrong channel then! |
| 12:06.02 | jelly | #ubuntu is right over there ---> |
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| 12:10.24 | Tau | i got the impossible. the sound in my pc was working when i was trying to install some codecs, now it isn't working anymore. |
| 12:10.28 | Tau | :P |
| 12:10.48 | dominet | # sar -d |
| 12:10.48 | dominet | Requested activities not available in file /var/log/sysstat/sa01 |
| 12:11.08 | dominet | ...whoever is the sysstat package maint. should really work on it... |
| 12:11.17 | dominet | it's half broken |
| 12:11.21 | dominet | lenny |
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| 12:12.37 | ethanol | what is sar even? |
| 12:12.38 | ethanol | :< |
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| 12:12.59 | dominet | it's good for you |
| 12:13.07 | dominet | especially when you look for system bottlenecks |
| 12:13.34 | ethanol | my systems have no bottlenecks :< |
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| 12:15.54 | jelly | dominet: I believe it asks whether or not to collect data at installation time. It'd probably ask again if you dpkg-reconfigure the package |
| 12:16.06 | jelly | dominet: also, atop is nice |
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| 12:39.53 | RichiH | jelly: it's obscure question time again! |
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| 12:40.39 | RichiH | on a system running 2.6.18 (don't ask), is there any way to find out how much I/O there is on a given LVM? |
| 12:41.15 | RichiH | has the bestest obscure questions |
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| 12:42.00 | eleusis | :) |
| 12:42.25 | mquin | RichiH: won't iostat do it? |
| 12:42.54 | RichiH | mquin: iostat needs 2.6.20 |
| 12:43.10 | eleusis | RichiH: is upgrade really not an option? :) |
| 12:43.22 | RichiH | eleusis: would i ask this question if it were? |
| 12:43.31 | eleusis | RichiH: would you? |
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| 12:43.42 | RichiH | eleusis: would i? |
| 12:43.52 | eleusis | yes |
| 12:43.59 | Kamping_Kaiser | jee, you said it chewy - where did you dig up that old fossil? |
| 12:44.02 | Kamping_Kaiser | </sw> |
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| 12:44.21 | RichiH | eleusis: wrong. you have one more try ;) |
| 12:44.30 | eleusis | hehe :P |
| 12:44.36 | RichiH | Kamping_Kaiser: that is not valid syntax, you need <sw /> |
| 12:44.44 | mquin | RichiH: just tried it on a 2.6.18/lenny box - seems to work |
| 12:45.23 | Kamping_Kaiser | RichiH: :/ |
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| 12:45.32 | Kamping_Kaiser | RichiH: .18 doesn't understand <sw /> :p |
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| 12:46.01 | RichiH | mquin: hmmk. i will try that, then |
| 12:46.05 | icebrain | "Extended statistics are available only with post 2.5 kernels. |
| 12:46.08 | RichiH | was 100% sure that .20 was needed |
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| 12:46.22 | [Jasper] | hej guys, I'm wondering about postscripts in logrotate.d |
| 12:46.33 | [Jasper] | is it possible to use a sleep of somekind? to wait in between 2 actions? |
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| 12:49.50 | nsadmin | man sleep |
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| 12:50.46 | nsadmin | oh, it's not a shell script? |
| 12:51.15 | [Jasper] | nsadmin no idea what it is..it's called postscript |
| 12:52.19 | nsadmin | postscript sounds like something after your signature, or something you'd send to a printer |
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| 12:53.15 | nsadmin | what;s the fully qualified path? |
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| 12:57.53 | dominet | jelly: atop seems great - many thanks for the hint |
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| 12:58.18 | dominet | do you know what's "so" btw? |
| 12:58.24 | dominet | before i start learning |
| 12:58.25 | ewindisch | [Jasper], I assume you mean postrotate / endscripts, not "postscript" |
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| 12:59.01 | dominet | aargh that's NET and outgoing traffic :) |
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| 13:01.08 | Seb | can anyone recommend a simple, GUI-based tool to enable connection sharing for someone who doesn't know much about networking ? |
| 13:01.23 | Seb | basically some tool that'd write the required iptables rules for NAT'ing traffic |
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| 13:03.31 | [Jasper] | yes ewindisch |
| 13:04.05 | dominet | hmm what's this? vmcom 10.3G | vmlim 4.4G |
| 13:04.06 | epsilon | seb: xterm, apt-get install ipmasq |
| 13:04.11 | ewindisch | [Jasper], you can specify a shell (or other) script and do whatever you want in that |
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| 13:04.31 | [Jasper] | is that multithreaded ewindisch? |
| 13:04.44 | [Jasper] | if I issue a sleep...will complete logrotate hang? |
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| 13:04.58 | Seb | epsilon: can't find that package |
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| 13:06.09 | dominet | what is vmlim folks? |
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| 13:06.39 | ewindisch | [Jasper], Actually, checking, you could probably throw a 'sleep 2' into the "postrotate" section. it is more likely to fork than to thread. However, I don't believe it will fork. |
| 13:07.01 | djura-san | o/ |
| 13:07.27 | dominet | why is my vmlim shown as 4.4GB while the box is 12 gigs? |
| 13:07.34 | ewindisch | [Jasper], if you want to fork and run a process in the background for some indefinite amount of time, write an external script and fork from there |
| 13:10.12 | [Jasper] | ewindisch basically what I want to do is rotate the apache log and process it...but offcourse apache doesn't immediately stop writing to the file...so I need to have a 1 minute or 2 minute sleep.. |
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| 13:10.26 | [Jasper] | after the reload of apache is issued |
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| 13:12.51 | ewindisch | [Jasper], you could toss "sleep 120" into there for the easiest and fastest fix, but it probably will delay logrotate from starting on the next log |
| 13:12.59 | ewindisch | not really a good fix though |
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| 13:13.55 | ewindisch | [Jasper], anyway, wouldn't you want that on a prerotate? |
| 13:15.06 | ewindisch | [Jasper], on a prerotate, you could *stop* apache, monitoring the pid. When it drops, you exit. |
| 13:15.29 | [Jasper] | hmm not following you |
| 13:15.36 | [Jasper] | why would I want to stop apache? |
| 13:16.03 | ewindisch | [Jasper], well, that will get it to stop writing to the file. |
| 13:16.17 | dominet | excuse me guys |
| 13:16.27 | dominet | how do i check/change vm limit on the box? |
| 13:16.37 | dominet | this is really important to me |
| 13:16.50 | dominet | as i suspect that my box can't use more than 4 gigs... it's 64-bit lenny |
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| 13:17.00 | ewindisch | dominet, the swap? |
| 13:17.13 | dominet | does swap have to do with it? |
| 13:17.27 | dominet | got 512MB swap there and swappiness set to 0 |
| 13:17.51 | dominet | in atop i can see red digits: vmlim: 4.4GB |
| 13:17.53 | [Jasper] | ewindisch a reload is better :P I don't wanna stop the actual webserver :p |
| 13:18.05 | dominet | which is strange - got 12 gigs there |
| 13:19.01 | markvandenborre | I wonder if there's any reason to be worried about zombie processes. At first sight, that shouldn't be too much of a problem |
| 13:19.05 | markvandenborre | any thoughts? |
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| 13:20.08 | nsadmin | [Jasper], just so you know... some daemons can do that and some can't... those that can't still have a restart in their init.d script but it stops then starts |
| 13:20.09 | ewindisch | dominet: you have too little swap |
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| 13:20.37 | ewindisch | nsadmin, he is talking of Apache though, which works gracefully |
| 13:20.49 | nsadmin | misread that as you have too little soap |
| 13:20.58 | icebrain | ewindisch: why would the swap matter to see the real ram size? |
| 13:21.29 | nsadmin | that's in free |
| 13:21.42 | ewindisch | icebrain, dominet is concerned about something in atop called 'vmlim'. It is a made-up statistic based on the swap size plus 50% of your total RAM |
| 13:22.16 | icebrain | hmm, ok, thanks |
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| 13:29.40 | mentor | markvandenborre: A zombie process us just the exit state of a child process that hasn't been checked by the parent yet |
| 13:30.25 | mentor | markvandenborre: It means the parent process isn't coded correctly |
| 13:30.41 | mguy | What is the 'trunk' kernel? |
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| 13:31.01 | ethanol | mguy: the one holding all the junk in the back of the car |
| 13:31.16 | themill | dpkg: tell mguy about trunk kernel |
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| 13:31.52 | mguy | themill: I don't think that bot has had his coffee yet |
| 13:32.14 | themill | mguy: eh? It sent you a /msg |
| 13:32.21 | eleusis | need to restart it with --coffee-device /dev/coffee |
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| 13:34.39 | degato | dpkg: tell degato about trunk kernel |
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| 13:34.54 | icebrain | !tell degato about selftell |
| 13:35.29 | degato | icebrain: ty |
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| 13:36.43 | icebrain | thinks dpkg (the bot) should detect self tells and warn about them |
| 13:37.16 | ethanol | yeah cause people using it are so evil |
| 13:37.16 | ethanol | :< |
| 13:37.24 | antgel | wow. have removed some accounts from icedove but the data stays in .icedove. is that a bug or a feature? (they were imap accounts with offline caching) |
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| 13:37.55 | degato | :/ |
| 13:38.20 | icebrain | ethanol: no, I mean warn the people asking, not the mods |
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| 13:38.40 | ethanol | dpkg: tell ethanol about selftell |
| 13:38.40 | icebrain | ethanol: like when you use ! in a /msg to dpkg, it warns you it's not needed. |
| 13:38.54 | ethanol | ooooo I used it in the channel bad me :< |
| 13:39.06 | icebrain | facepalms |
| 13:39.33 | wols_ | ethanol: you're spamming and you know it |
| 13:39.41 | nsadmin | ethanol: one would begin to suspect things like hostility, paranoia and problems with authority |
| 13:39.58 | ethanol | wols_: no I'm just stating that in my opinion it's kinda anal to start warning users when they only do it once. |
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| 13:40.31 | [Jasper] | hej guys, how to check a file size easily? |
| 13:40.33 | wols_ | it's not a warning. it's a reminder how to do it better, since it is assumed, the user doesn't know any better |
| 13:40.36 | [Jasper] | du could do that right? |
| 13:40.41 | nsadmin | ethanol, doesn't it depend on the actual message they get? |
| 13:40.42 | icebrain | [Jasper]: ls -alho? |
| 13:40.46 | wols_ | Jasw: ls -l ? |
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| 13:40.57 | jelly | ethanol: they only do it once _because_ they get warned, and in the future they know better! |
| 13:41.03 | [Jasper] | was hoping there was an easily parseable one.. |
| 13:41.10 | [Jasper] | :) |
| 13:41.22 | nsadmin | ethanol, you're apparantly assuming they would get "WARNING, the black helicopters are gonna get you next time" |
| 13:41.36 | wols_ | [Jasper]: I think (not totally sure), ls can do that. read the manpage for it. it's BIG |
| 13:41.54 | [Jasper] | btw...one last question...if I cp a file...will the new file etc have the same date etc .. ? |
| 13:41.57 | wols_ | nsadmin: shush! don't tell him what will happen or they won't pick him up |
| 13:42.03 | ethanol | I was thinking about deportation to a country where civil rights do not apply |
| 13:42.04 | ethanol | :< |
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| 13:42.11 | metalfan_ | hi |
| 13:42.14 | icebrain | [Jasper]: ls -l FILE |cut -d\ -f 5 |
| 13:42.18 | wols_ | ethanol: we're not so callous as to send you to the US |
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| 13:42.26 | ethanol | that's a relief |
| 13:42.53 | wols_ | Mr. Kim however, has a severe food crisis in his. make of that what you will |
| 13:43.09 | nsadmin | deportation could get you in a permanent holding cell if your country of origin doesn't want you back |
| 13:43.22 | metalfan_ | ive changed my hardware from some intel graphics to a ati radeon x1200. dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg does nothing, X -configure errors with: cant load module iegd (the former driver, or part of it)...? |
| 13:43.31 | ethanol | nsadmin: see, that is something we would want to avoid :< |
| 13:43.55 | nsadmin | when did we start talking about deportation? |
| 13:44.19 | ethanol | metalfan_: never heard of the remove device/drivers before unplugging hardware routine? even windows prefers that order :< |
| 13:44.39 | wols_ | ethanol: thankfully we don't use windows |
| 13:44.45 | wols_ | metalfan_: is there a xorg.conf? |
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| 13:44.49 | ethanol | wols_: doesn't mean it's bad practice. |
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| 13:44.56 | wols_ | ethanol: it is |
| 13:45.02 | metalfan_ | wols_, the old one |
| 13:45.14 | wols_ | metalfan_: delete it. then simply run X normally |
| 13:45.27 | ethanol | see, that was going to be my second suggestion |
| 13:45.31 | nsadmin | or, why did we? what is deportation a part of that has anything to do with anything said earlier, or anything to do with supporting debian? |
| 13:45.39 | metalfan_ | wols_, ok. will try |
| 13:45.41 | wols_ | nsadmin: helicopters |
| 13:45.47 | ethanol | nsadmin: black helicopters to be precise |
| 13:46.11 | nsadmin | oh, so instead we should paint them blue |
| 13:46.20 | ethanol | no, white. |
| 13:46.22 | ethanol | like a peace dove. |
| 13:46.30 | markvandenborre | mentor: sorry, I was away for a sec, thanks for the hint on zombie processes |
| 13:46.34 | ethanol | plus it makes them look twice as big. |
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| 13:47.16 | mentor | markvandenborre: NP. IRC can be asynchronous. |
| 13:47.21 | mguy | Why is the trunk kernel defaulted when it's supposedly obsolete? |
| 13:48.36 | markvandenborre | mentor: from what I understand from googling and general background, just having a few zombie processes around isn't problematic |
| 13:49.02 | markvandenborre | but it does point at problems within the parent process |
| 13:49.14 | markvandenborre | does that summarise things well? |
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| 13:49.35 | mentor | markvandenborre: Not directly, but it does mean that the parent processes are behaving incorrectly; this may be symptomatic of further bugs. |
| 13:49.45 | mentor | er, what you said. |
| 13:49.55 | ethanol | mguy: uh? |
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| 13:50.32 | ethanol | mguy: where do you get this 'trunk' == 'obsolete' information from? |
| 13:50.33 | markvandenborre | since the parent process seems to behave very well when it comes to other things, I should just keep an eye on this and not care too much, right? |
| 13:50.49 | wols_ | ethanol: from abrotman for example |
| 13:50.51 | mentor | I would file a bug |
| 13:51.42 | mguy | ethanol: I mis-read, it was just that version |
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| 13:53.56 | ethanol | mguy: I encountered this really old post (2004), bottom one: http://www.pubbs.net/201004/debian/25042-trunk-kernel.html |
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| 13:54.36 | ethanol | mguy: why are you asking though, did you encounter a problem? |
| 13:55.30 | Tau | hey, my sound was working on the debian but it isn't working anymore. i guess i have removed some important package when i was trying to fix to read .rmvb. |
| 13:55.49 | Tau | does anyone help for how cofiguring it again ? |
| 13:55.49 | ethanol | god, still trying to get your porn working? |
| 13:55.49 | ethanol | :< |
| 13:55.54 | Tau | ethanol: lol |
| 13:55.56 | Tau | ethanol: man |
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| 13:56.10 | Kamping_Kaiser | lol |
| 13:56.10 | Tau | ethanol: i don't believe , i got to run the .rmvb but the sound wasn't working anymore. |
| 13:56.29 | mguy | ethanol: I actually read http://forum.nginx.org/read.php?31,65727 But like I said they were talking about a specific version being obsolete, which I mistook for '-trunk' |
| 13:56.52 | ethanol | Tau: the moaning is rarely convincing, so who cares? not to mention the horrible choice in music |
| 13:56.58 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:57.47 | nsadmin | why is this necessary? did you get treated like this as a child? |
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| 13:58.01 | MadBlack | hello |
| 13:58.01 | Tau | ethanol: what do it have happened for the sound isn't working ? |
| 13:58.07 | Tau | does* |
| 13:58.24 | Tau | ethanol: have you idea ? |
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| 13:58.33 | jpinx-eeepc | !tell Tau about alsa-checklist |
| 13:58.37 | MadBlack | can someone confirm that kaffeine-mozilla isn't working in squeeze? |
| 13:59.03 | Tau | jpinx-eeepc: hey, thank you. |
| 13:59.21 | mguy | ethanol: everything is working now, I was just trying to install vmware-tools on testing |
| 13:59.24 | Tau | jpinx-eeepc: but how can I check it ? |
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| 13:59.32 | ethanol | mguy: oh ok ^^ |
| 13:59.38 | jpinx-eeepc | Tau: read the facoid |
| 13:59.48 | jpinx-eeepc | factoid -- even...... |
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| 14:00.06 | Tau | jpinx-eeepc: sure. |
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| 14:09.19 | AlexC_ | morning |
| 14:09.24 | AlexC_ | which package provides the command 'arp'? |
| 14:09.47 | AlexC_ | nevermind, got it |
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| 14:15.05 | loddon | i can easily tell which is winning. in #ubuntu, there is always some activities. in debian, it was always dead. some years, it was the other way round. |
| 14:15.34 | Kamping_Kaiser | what, its saturday already? |
| 14:15.56 | ||cw | or maybe debian has fewer problems? |
| 14:16.02 | ethanol | lol |
| 14:16.03 | loddon | i am still a debian faithful but the faith is thinning. |
| 14:16.06 | ethanol | is it dead here? |
| 14:16.28 | loddon | deadbian would be a more appropriate name. |
| 14:16.35 | ||cw | it's not dead here IMO, but is certainly less idiotic... as int eh questions tend to be good ones |
| 14:16.38 | jpinx-eeepc | we had a 5 minute silence |
| 14:16.39 | ethanol | loddon: in my experience/opinion; debian = server, ubuntu = desktop. server = experienced user, desktop = every retard and their mom |
| 14:16.48 | petemc | a brief lull is not the same as a dead channel |
| 14:16.58 | petemc | answering an obvious troll, silly me |
| 14:17.07 | loddon | ethanol: that's a stupid piece of self-consolation. |
| 14:17.16 | jpinx-eeepc | slaps petemc with a fresh trout |
| 14:17.22 | ethanol | loddon: stupid meets stupid, hi. |
| 14:17.35 | ||cw | heh |
| 14:17.38 | ||cw | troll fail |
| 14:17.40 | themill | yhbt... |
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| 14:20.08 | jargon- | which package do i install to get the GD library? |
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| 14:20.33 | ethanol | imagick ? |
| 14:20.39 | ethanol | or for php? |
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| 14:20.48 | ethanol | or gdlib? |
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| 14:20.58 | jargon- | ethanol: for mrtg |
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| 14:22.15 | ethanol | libgd2-noxpm |
| 14:22.20 | ethanol | but mrtg should install that itself? |
| 14:22.28 | ethanol | if you're installing through aptitude |
| 14:22.45 | ethanol | (-xpm) is also an option |
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| 14:23.55 | jargon- | ethanol: ok thanks |
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| 14:25.21 | ngomes__ | any vlc expert ?cant have video on my vlc , dunno why |
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| 14:27.10 | ethanol | ngomes__: did you try in or behind? |
| 14:27.33 | jelly | ngomes__: which debian release? which vlc and vlc-nox package versions? |
| 14:27.37 | ngomes__ | used to work |
| 14:27.44 | ngomes__ | lenny version |
| 14:27.55 | ferr | ngomes__: any 3d desktop? |
| 14:28.00 | ngomes__ | 0.8.6h |
| 14:28.04 | ngomes__ | no 3D |
| 14:28.08 | ngomes__ | movie player works |
| 14:28.26 | ngomes__ | i've tried to delete .vlc config |
| 14:28.28 | ngomes__ | didnt work |
| 14:29.40 | jelly | ngomes__: you run /usr/bin/vlc some.avi, is there any output? Can you pastebin the whole output? |
| 14:30.15 | ngomes__ | wait |
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| 14:30.26 | jelly | ngomes__: also pastebin the output of "xvinfo" for good measure |
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| 14:30.59 | jelly | vlc is lenny is rather old, but if it used to work it's probably salvageable |
| 14:31.04 | jelly | ,versions vlc-nox |
| 14:31.05 | judd | vlc-nox -- etch: 0.8.6-svn20061012.debian-5.1+etch3; etch-security: 0.8.6-svn20061012.debian-5.1+etch3; lenny: 0.8.6.h-4+lenny2; lenny-security: 0.8.6.h-4+lenny2.3; sid: 1.0.6-1; squeeze: 1.0.6-1 |
| 14:31.13 | Asako | does anybody know much about setting up preseed files? |
| 14:31.16 | jelly | interesting, no backport |
| 14:31.35 | ngomes__ | [00000303] main decoder error: no suitable decoder module for fourcc `h264'. |
| 14:31.36 | ngomes__ | VLC probably does not support this sound or video format. |
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| 14:31.47 | Asako | the install won't run the commands I put in |
| 14:31.47 | jelly | ngomes__: that's everything it says? |
| 14:31.53 | ngomes__ | yes , jelly |
| 14:32.04 | ngomes__ | its with sound but no video |
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| 14:32.09 | jelly | ngomes__: and you're positive it used to work with the very same file? |
| 14:32.26 | ngomes__ | i cant remember if it was this |
| 14:32.30 | ngomes__ | but none video works |
| 14:32.34 | jelly | maybe it never worked with h264 |
| 14:32.35 | MeglaW | np. One Must Fall: 2097 - Kenny Chou - Menu Music |
| 14:32.41 | jelly | MeglaW: srsly! |
| 14:32.54 | ngomes__ | but doesnt vlc support all codecs ? |
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| 14:35.31 | Night_Elf | Where can I see the processes started up by "init" (pid=1) ? Is there a way to see one by one the order how these processes are started, and how to define them ? |
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| 14:35.46 | jelly | ngomes__: vlc supports whatever it had been built against. ffmpeg (er, libavcodec) from lenny might not have h264 decoding capabilities |
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| 14:36.05 | ngomes__ | well , neither xvid ? just tried it |
| 14:36.10 | ngomes__ | it used to work :| |
| 14:36.30 | ngomes__ | where can i see available codecs ? |
| 14:36.59 | ngomes__ | i got alot of codecs under /usr/lib/vlc/codec/ |
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| 14:37.59 | jelly | ,versions libavcodec51 |
| 14:38.01 | judd | libavcodec51 -- lenny: 0.svn20080206-18; lenny-security: 0.svn20080206-18+lenny1; lenny-multimedia: 3:20080706-0.3lenny1 |
| 14:38.27 | jelly | ngomes__: I suspect you'll need dmm version of that package |
| 14:38.41 | ngomes__ | libavcodec51 ? |
| 14:38.46 | jelly | yes |
| 14:38.56 | ngomes__ | its installed |
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| 14:39.03 | jelly | ngomes__: which version? |
| 14:39.11 | ngomes__ | that package |
| 14:39.24 | jelly | which... version? |
| 14:39.31 | ngomes__ | how to see ? |
| 14:39.45 | jelly | ngomes__: dpkg -l libavcodec51 | tail -1 |
| 14:39.59 | ngomes__ | 3:20080706-0.3lenny1 |
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| 14:40.28 | jelly | ok, but please paste exactly what you're asked next time |
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| 14:41.38 | jelly | ngomes__: what does "dpkg -s libavcodec51 | grep Depends:" say? |
| 14:42.08 | jelly | (does it mention libx264) |
| 14:42.37 | ngomes__ | http://96df9e16.linkbucks.com/url/http://www.bpaste.com/view.php?id=1759 |
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| 14:42.58 | ngomes__ | libx264-65 , yeah |
| 14:43.02 | [Jasper] | hej guys, if I load a script from logrotate.d with a 5 minut sleep in it |
| 14:43.09 | [Jasper] | will logrotate completely stall for 5 minutes then? |
| 14:43.15 | [Jasper] | or will it be spawned as a seperate process |
| 14:43.57 | jelly | ngomes__: that probably means libavcodec supports h264 or at least some part of it. I've no idea why vlc thinks it doesn't |
| 14:44.12 | ngomes__ | :| |
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| 14:44.51 | dutchfish | [Jasper]: if you dont spawn a worker thread for it, yes. Otherwise no. |
| 14:44.57 | aburch | ngomes__: Sending ads to make money when asking for help? :/ |
| 14:45.15 | ngomes__ | well , its what bpaste returns |
| 14:45.17 | ngomes__ | not my fault |
| 14:45.47 | [Jasper] | dutchfish how will I do that? |
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| 14:45.52 | [Jasper] | in perl itself? |
| 14:45.55 | wols_ | ngomes__: paste.debian.net next time |
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| 14:46.01 | dutchfish | [Jasper]: see advanced bash guide |
| 14:46.24 | ewindisch | [Jasper], http://perldoc.perl.org/perlfork.html |
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| 14:46.52 | ngomes__ | ok |
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| 14:47.02 | [Jasper] | ewindisch you think that works and endscript is not gonna wait for the script to run completely? |
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| 14:47.24 | manchot | can anyone decode this ssh comman for me? ssh -Nvv -o TCPKeepAlive=yes -D bindIP:port user@someremotemachine |
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| 14:48.31 | manchot | I don't understand the -D bindIP:port part for that ssh command. |
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| 14:48.53 | manchot | using dynamic port, do I need to bind it to an IP? isn't it 127.0.0.1 by default? |
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| 14:50.01 | ||cw | manchot: 0.0.0.0 would be the default |
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| 14:50.23 | [Jasper] | this is hard ewindisch |
| 14:50.35 | [Jasper] | I need to find a logrotate support channel :p |
| 14:50.52 | ||cw | manchot: man page says it's used to make ssh into a socks proxy |
| 14:50.54 | dutchfish | [Jasper]: why is there a wait for so long in it anyway? |
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| 14:51.27 | ngomes__ | how do i make aptitude download from that apt source ? |
| 14:51.48 | aburch | ||cw: No, -D, -L only bind to 127.0.0.1 by default. |
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| 14:53.42 | [Jasper] | dutchfish apache tends to be writing to the log file it used before after a reloda till all processes finished.. |
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| 14:53.55 | [Jasper] | so I want to give it a 5 minute wait for all processes to end.. |
| 14:54.40 | dutchfish | [Jasper]: why not check if the processes are finished? (i hav eno clue how to do that, but it can be done) |
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| 14:56.14 | ngomes__ | how to download from this source ? -> deb http://download.videolan.org/pub/videolan/debian sid main |
| 14:56.33 | manchot | RSA key fingerprint is 5d:c4:fb:3d:5d:db:39:2d:fb:46:29:80:ce:b8:0a:6b. |
| 14:56.33 | manchot | Are you sure you want to continue connecting (yes/no)? yes |
| 14:56.47 | manchot | how do I check the finger print of a SSHD server? |
| 14:57.48 | dutchfish | [Jasper]: extreme long waits are most of the time an indication for bad code or something is wrong. |
| 14:58.13 | wols_ | ngomes__: put that line in your sources list and use apt-get to download from it |
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| 14:58.37 | ngomes__ | wols_, i already did it |
| 14:58.41 | wols_ | manchot: by getting it via a different channel. like snailmail |
| 14:58.44 | ngomes__ | it goes to lenny repository |
| 14:58.50 | themill | manchot: ssh-keygen -l -f /etc/ssh/ssh_host_rsa_key.pub |
| 14:58.51 | wols_ | ngomes__: not with that line |
| 14:58.53 | ngomes__ | cause lenny also got that |
| 14:59.28 | ngomes__ | both repositories have same name package , what package does apt-get downloads ? |
| 14:59.29 | wols_ | ngomes__: installing packages from another repo for another branch of debian to debian stable makes you Mr. Bobbitt |
| 14:59.55 | ngomes__ | so u suggest i stay with broken vlc |
| 15:00.18 | manchot | themill, thank you. That did work! |
| 15:00.34 | wols_ | ngomes__: define "broken" |
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| 15:00.40 | ngomes__ | not working with video |
| 15:00.47 | wols_ | !doesn't work |
| 15:00.47 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>. |
| 15:00.48 | manchot | wols_, what are you mumbling? shut up |
| 15:00.58 | ngomes__ | its says i dont have the codecs |
| 15:01.12 | wols_ | ngomes__: get it from dmm then |
| 15:01.26 | ngomes__ | the codecs ? |
| 15:01.33 | wols_ | manchot: you have a really really nice way to ask for help. makes people fall over themselves to help you |
| 15:01.37 | ngomes__ | thought vlc bring it all |
| 15:01.55 | ethanol | `namei` heh, spiffy |
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| 15:02.04 | wols_ | vlc is compiled, and due to patents not all codecs can be compiled in legitimately |
| 15:02.19 | manchot | wols_, you are of zero help. Twice you are just shooting nonsense to my questions. just shut up your face. |
| 15:02.24 | ngomes__ | ok , what package is the codec-bundle ? |
| 15:02.30 | dojo | can anyone recommend a good tutorial for preseeding debian installations? i've checked a bunch and a LOT are out of date |
| 15:02.37 | wols_ | ngomes__: there is no codec bundle for vlc. cannot be |
| 15:02.49 | manchot | wols_, manchot: by getting it via a different channel. like snailmail |
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| 15:03.46 | wols_ | ngomes__: I suggest you use dmm ( /msg dpkg dmm). there should be a vlc which hopefully allows you to watch your video |
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| 15:03.54 | themill | manchot: you're not the only person in this channel that might be seeking help at the moment. Please do the volunteers who are here to help you the courtesy of being nice to them... |
| 15:04.14 | wols_ | if videolan.org has a repo for lenny, that might work too |
| 15:04.15 | ngomes__ | i have dmm under sources.list , shouldnt it bring vlc ? |
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| 15:06.54 | wols_ | ngomes__: unlikely. see what apt-cache policy vlc says |
| 15:07.08 | dutchfish | dojo: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/394 |
| 15:07.23 | wols_ | no vlc in dmm :( |
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| 15:08.32 | ngomes__ | wols_, installed from lenny main reps |
| 15:09.07 | wols_ | ,versions vlc |
| 15:09.08 | judd | vlc -- etch: 0.8.6-svn20061012.debian-5.1+etch3; etch-security: 0.8.6-svn20061012.debian-5.1+etch3; lenny: 0.8.6.h-4+lenny2; lenny-security: 0.8.6.h-4+lenny2.3; sid: 1.0.6-1; squeeze: 1.0.6-1 |
| 15:09.54 | wols_ | ngomes__: what video is not playing? what codec? |
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| 15:10.16 | wols_ | maybe there is another way. cause using a sid binary would most probably bring in sid dependencies and you wouldn't like that |
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| 15:10.47 | ngomes__ | wols_, xvid , h264 |
| 15:11.24 | wols_ | damn, this vlc in lenny must be old :) |
| 15:11.40 | wols_ | I suggest mplayer from dmm then, that should have it. at least dmm also has x264 and such |
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| 15:11.52 | wols_ | and I'm pretty sure vlc can do xvid just fine... |
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| 15:13.16 | ngomes__ | well , i want vlc , not mplayer |
| 15:13.27 | ngomes__ | it worked |
| 15:14.02 | fruitwerks | how do I remove a package that wants to uninstall dependencies? I need to reinstall this package, but I need to keep the deps in place |
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| 15:16.03 | ||cw | fruitwerks: use the reinstall option |
| 15:16.10 | dutchfish | http://wiki.debian.org/PbuilderTricks |
| 15:16.36 | ngomes__ | well i found out this |
| 15:16.37 | ngomes__ | [00000001] main private warning: cannot load module `/usr/lib/vlc/codec/libffmpeg_plugin.so' (/usr/lib/vlc/codec/libffmpeg_plugin.so: undefined symbol: img_resample) |
| 15:16.48 | ngomes__ | how can i find what package contains that file ? |
| 15:16.54 | ngomes__ | to try and reinstall it |
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| 15:17.17 | nutz | hi all |
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| 15:17.40 | nutz | i think a friend of mine told me about that: wasn't there a way of running lenny but still using some packages from another repo, like sid or testing? |
| 15:17.48 | nutz | how would i do that exactly? |
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| 15:18.03 | wols_ | !tell nutz about backports |
| 15:18.06 | ||cw | nutz: look up apt pinning |
| 15:18.13 | fruitwerks | apt says I have updates.. how do I see what those are and install them? |
| 15:18.15 | apt | fruitwerks: that's too long |
| 15:18.15 | ||cw | well, that too, if it's been backported |
| 15:18.32 | wols_ | ngomes__: dpkg -S /usr/lib/vlc/codec/libffmpeg_plugin.so |
| 15:18.43 | ||cw | fruitwerks: aptitude will show you |
| 15:18.50 | nutz | uhm okay yhx |
| 15:18.55 | nutz | wols_: thanks |
| 15:19.01 | fruitwerks | what is the syntax for that? |
| 15:19.02 | manchot | ||cw, -D bind to localhost by default or -L ? |
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| 15:22.43 | ||cw | fruitwerks: you run it |
| 15:22.51 | ||cw | it's a text based gui |
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| 15:25.01 | wols_ | fruitwerks: apt-get upgrade will tell you what intends to upgrade and gives you a chance to say "no" before you do it |
| 15:25.23 | wols_ | and I think there are options to not actually do the commands you specified too |
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| 15:26.20 | wols_ | yes, aptitude has -s |
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| 15:27.14 | ||cw | it also has a pretty gui that lets to see what a package that will be updated is and even see its changelog |
| 15:27.15 | ngomes__ | wols_, i got ffmpeg installed from dmm and need to install from lenny main rep , how to do that ? |
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| 15:27.50 | ||cw | ngomes__: that's where pinning comes in |
| 15:28.04 | ngomes__ | pinning ? |
| 15:28.09 | ||cw | apt pinning |
| 15:28.10 | apt | pinning is, like, 'man apt_preferences', or add testing and unstable lines to sources.list, create /etc/apt/preferences containing "Package: *\nPin: release a=testing\nPin-Priority: 900\n\nPackage: *\nPin: release o=Debian\nPin-Priority: -10\n", then apt-get install foo/unstable, or at http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2002/4/mail#1, or read http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2002/debian-devel-200212/msg00659.html |
| 15:28.35 | ||cw | you can get really detailed with it too |
| 15:28.46 | wols_ | ngomes__: IIRC you need to remove the dmm one and install from lenny main repo, which will probably break software you installed from dmm :( |
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| 15:29.01 | [Jasper] | hej guys, at what time does logrotate run if I say daily rotate? |
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| 15:29.04 | [Jasper] | will it be at midnight or? |
| 15:29.07 | ngomes__ | ill try it anyway |
| 15:29.15 | ngomes__ | i need more vlc that others |
| 15:29.24 | eshat | Could it be, that subscribing to a bug does not work ? |
| 15:29.32 | wols_ | [Jasper]: IIRC 6:20am |
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| 15:29.43 | [Jasper] | wols you serious ? :P |
| 15:29.43 | Anofa | hi i need some help |
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| 15:30.15 | wols_ | [Jasper]: cat /etc/crontab see the "daily" thing? |
| 15:30.24 | Anofa | I do apt-get install php5 |
| 15:30.26 | Anofa | it isnt working |
| 15:30.33 | wols_ | !tell Anofa about bat |
| 15:30.40 | ngomes__ | can i get a pinning example ? |
| 15:30.56 | wols_ | ngomes__: apt-get instal -t <different branch> package |
| 15:31.00 | Anofa | couldnt find package |
| 15:31.02 | Anofa | it say that |
| 15:31.27 | ngomes__ | wols_, i dont know what do call that <different branch> |
| 15:31.37 | ngomes__ | lenny ? dmm ? |
| 15:31.38 | [Jasper] | hmm 23 1 wols_ :) |
| 15:31.41 | ngomes__ | where are they defined ? |
| 15:31.51 | Anofa | it says "couldnt find package" |
| 15:31.52 | Anofa | well? |
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| 15:32.06 | wols_ | [Jasper]: for me it's 6:25 hence I wasna't totally sure |
| 15:32.09 | ngomes__ | Anofa, aptitude search php5 and follow the exact pacakge name |
| 15:32.18 | wols_ | Anofa: pastebin your sources.list |
| 15:32.28 | wols_ | Anofa: probably you lack an entry for debian repos |
| 15:32.28 | Anofa | invalid operation |
| 15:33.09 | Anofa | sources.list? |
| 15:33.45 | wols_ | Anofa: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 15:34.06 | Anofa | it says permission denied |
| 15:34.18 | wols_ | what says permission denied? |
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| 15:34.26 | Anofa | vps:~# /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 15:34.27 | Anofa | -bash: /etc/apt/sources.list: Permission denied |
| 15:34.49 | wols_ | Anofa: you need to learn how to use debian or any linux (or any other OS) first |
| 15:34.52 | wols_ | !tell Anofa about grounding |
| 15:35.04 | Anofa | ok got it |
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| 15:35.06 | Anofa | cat ... |
| 15:35.08 | Anofa | wait let me upload |
| 15:35.47 | Anofa | http://pastebin.com/ex0XKWxX |
| 15:36.44 | wols_ | Anofa: you have a debian main repo in there and php5 is in debian. what is the exact output of aptitude update;aptitude install php5 ? |
| 15:37.00 | wols_ | Anofa: and of course "apt-cache policy php5" |
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| 15:38.03 | Anofa | aptitude didnt worked but apt-get and that cmd worked |
| 15:38.06 | Anofa | the former one |
| 15:38.13 | Anofa | Setting up php5 (5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny8) ... |
| 15:38.23 | ngomes__ | i cant understand where to define repository in pinning |
| 15:38.39 | webguy024 | looking for some help setting up my iptables to allow ftp access. I have installed proftpd but I get an error when trying to login. Here is my iptable rules -> http://pastebin.ca/1875439 |
| 15:38.59 | webguy024 | error : Connection attempt failed with "ECONNREFUSED - Connection refused by server". |
| 15:39.14 | wols_ | webguy024: just don't. ftp is awful wrt portfilters of any kind |
| 15:39.53 | webguy024 | thx wols_ what should I use instead? I am so used to ftping files to my server I don't know where to start :) |
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| 15:40.24 | jpinx-eeepc | webguy024: rsync ? |
| 15:40.46 | webguy024 | thx jpinx-eeepc - I'll google it :) |
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| 15:40.55 | wols_ | webguy024: unless you need anon access to your ftp (and you don't, you have a webserver), use ssh only |
| 15:41.09 | wols_ | sftp is LOADS better than ftp |
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| 15:41.37 | wols_ | webguy024: just install a ssh server and you are done. any decent ftp client supports sftp |
| 15:41.39 | jordanm | webguy024: the issues is that ftp chooses a random port, that a firewall can only track using packet inspection |
| 15:41.54 | webguy024 | didn't know that jordanm |
| 15:42.07 | jordanm | !ftpmustdie |
| 15:42.07 | dpkg | FTP MUST DIE! http://mywiki.wooledge.org/FtpMustDie |
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| 15:42.36 | webguy024 | wols_ I think you just solved my problem. Going to do some investigation - but first I will read ftpmustdie :) |
| 15:42.43 | wols_ | good read that |
| 15:43.04 | ||cw | has written an ftp client before |
| 15:43.10 | ||cw | what a horrid protocol |
| 15:43.46 | wols_ | ||cw: could be worse. could be irc |
| 15:43.59 | ||cw | I don't mind IRC much |
| 15:44.12 | wols_ | I'm certain the inventors of dcc must have been braindamaged by the ftp protocol |
| 15:44.19 | ||cw | it's just tagged messages over a single tcp session |
| 15:44.39 | ||cw | oh dcc, yeah that's horrid too |
| 15:44.51 | wols_ | ftp with all its nastiness, has an advantage: it's documented :) |
| 15:45.02 | jordanm | wols_: dcc is used to share warez by some other IRC communities... so its not totall useless |
| 15:45.03 | ||cw | I've only done irc protocol for bots |
| 15:45.15 | webguy024 | well since ssh was already setup - I just logged in my server with SFTP - way to waste 2 hours :) |
| 15:45.38 | webguy024 | thx |
| 15:45.38 | jordanm | webguy024: you mean save 2 hours in the future :) |
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| 15:45.57 | webguy024 | yeah I guess I will get it back in the future :) |
| 15:46.15 | Pryon | telnet's pretty hairy |
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| 15:48.05 | ||cw | telnet is long dead |
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| 15:48.12 | ZenWalker | hi |
| 15:48.26 | ZenWalker | can i copy on tty and paste it on x window ?ç |
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| 15:48.44 | korhojoa | yes |
| 15:49.00 | ZenWalker | how? |
| 15:49.12 | ||cw | define "tty" |
| 15:49.19 | korhojoa | depends on how you're viewing the tty |
| 15:49.31 | korhojoa | if it's actually a printer, then probably not |
| 15:49.33 | ZenWalker | selection with mouse |
| 15:49.49 | korhojoa | so it's in a terminal emulator in x? |
| 15:49.59 | ||cw | like, tty1, then xorg on tty7? |
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| 15:50.15 | ||cw | in which case, no |
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| 15:50.50 | ZenWalker | from tty5(copy) to x (paste) |
| 15:50.54 | ||cw | no |
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| 15:51.05 | ZenWalker | ok thanks |
| 15:51.08 | ||cw | can you even from tty1 to tty2? |
| 15:51.53 | ||cw | copy/paste is provided by the gpm daemon, any interaction across login session and X clipboards would be its own feature |
| 15:52.12 | ngomes__ | anyone with lenny and vlc could run this command to check if there's any warning ? -> vlc -vvv --no-plugins-cache --list |grep ffmpeg |
| 15:52.22 | ||cw | would be a cool feature though, wonder if X's clipboard would even allow for it |
| 15:52.51 | wash | I maintain a debian mirror, using apt-mirror - recently, I've been having GPG issues (starting a week ago). I'm not sure how to fix the problem properly. The error I get occurs whenever I do `aptitude update' with /etc/apt/sources.list set to my mirror: `W: GPG error: ftp://thefireflyproject.us sid Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 9AA38DCD55BE302B Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (5.0/lenny) <ftpmaster@ |
| 15:52.52 | wash | debian.org>' |
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| 15:53.48 | qq- | ngomes__, http://paste.debian.net/75696/ |
| 15:53.51 | wash | I'm pretty sure the apt-mirror script updates the Releases.gpg file, so I'm rather confused as to why there would be a problem. |
| 15:53.57 | jordanm | wash: are the packages on your mirror out-of-date? |
| 15:54.17 | wash | Nope - synchronized daily. |
| 15:54.40 | wash | the lenny repository doesn't have an error, just sid. |
| 15:55.06 | manchot | ||cw, sftp significantly slower than ftp? |
| 15:55.08 | jordanm | I would imagine sid changes more than once per day, although, i couldn't say that is the issue either |
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| 15:55.18 | ||cw | manchot: no, it uses more cpu though |
| 15:55.20 | ngomes__ | thanks qq- |
| 15:55.46 | petern_ | and thus, is slower |
| 15:55.52 | wash | @jordanm - one sec, I can do another update. It should've synced just four hours ago, though. |
| 15:56.08 | ||cw | petemc: but not significantly |
| 15:56.10 | manchot | ||cw, I see. any good ftp server applications that can support sftp? |
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| 15:56.54 | petemc | etoomanypetes |
| 15:56.55 | ||cw | manchot: client you mean, nautilus and kfm both support it, on windows there's winscp and wsftp at the least |
| 15:56.55 | petern_ | ||cw, i suppose these days, machines have powerful enough cpus to so that network speed is the bottleneck again |
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| 15:57.00 | wols_ | petern_: most/all ftp servers are i/o bound |
| 15:57.29 | ||cw | wols_: well, a p3 would be CPU bound |
| 15:57.42 | petern_ | i've used sftp for long enough that sftp was much slower, because the cpu couldn't handle it... |
| 15:57.50 | manchot | ||cw, no. I mean servers |
| 15:57.58 | ||cw | manchot: openssh |
| 15:57.58 | petern_ | manchot, sftp is part of ssh |
| 15:58.03 | wols_ | manchot: your ssh server does it |
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| 15:58.12 | wash | Hm, I just noticed that the last modified dates on the `Release' file is different than that of the `Release.gpg' file - the `Release' file hasn't been updated in 5 days. Could that be the issue? |
| 15:58.28 | manchot | maybe it's just me. but feel sftp slower than regular ftp |
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| 15:59.35 | petern_ | and smaller low power devices, arm-based, will be slower with sftp still |
| 16:00.25 | wols_ | petern_: which is why they nowadays get aes and des support in hardware |
| 16:00.59 | wols_ | and with current (consumer) internet speeds it is rarely an issue. most anything can do 10-20Mbit/s traffic. and consumers rarely get those speeds |
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| 16:03.39 | wols_ | tho I think the ssh protocol itself isn't as efficient as ftp I guess, but not by much. and when you factor in the headaches ftp gives you, small price to pay :) |
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| 16:04.11 | ngomes__ | wols_, need help ... reinstalled ffmpeg from lenny rep and still gives me this error on vlc ... any solution how to find what lib is broken ? |
| 16:06.13 | wols_ | ngomes__: the error message told you.... |
| 16:06.13 | wols_ | you sure both ffmpeg and vlc are from the same repo? |
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| 16:06.13 | ngomes__ | yes |
| 16:06.42 | jordanm | both appear to have a security release |
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| 16:08.37 | radicaljoe | does anyone use jigdo? |
| 16:08.59 | wols_ | !tell radicaljoe about anyone |
| 16:09.37 | Bushmills | radicaljoe: i am sure that the authors do or did, at least for test purposes. |
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| 16:10.25 | radicaljoe | Bushmills:So what is the perfered way to download an image? |
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| 16:11.12 | wols_ | radicaljoe: the ftp/http mirrors debian provides were fast enough for me. there are torrents too afaik |
| 16:11.16 | Bushmills | i suppose the method with makes most sense to you and is most copatible with your connection |
| 16:11.43 | wols_ | radicaljoe: most people use netinst and download the rest |
| 16:11.56 | wols_ | via aptitude |
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| 16:13.24 | radicaljoe | wols_:I will try that. |
| 16:14.14 | wols_ | radicaljoe: is your network connection wlan or wired ethernet? |
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| 16:15.09 | radicaljoe | wols_:Would that be the "Small CD"? |
| 16:16.06 | wols_ | radicaljoe: http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ the typical netinst ISO is ~160MB |
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| 16:17.39 | radicaljoe | wols_:I have been using ubuntu for the past few years. Thought I'd give deb a try again. |
| 16:18.05 | Vaheter | "/msg dpkg guidelines" |
| 16:18.16 | wols_ | radicaljoe: what hardware? |
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| 16:18.49 | simonrvn | Vaheter: no quotes |
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| 16:20.37 | radicaljoe | wols_:Phenom |
| 16:20.56 | radicaljoe | wols_:amd64 |
| 16:21.08 | webguy024 | what is a good room for random non-computer related questions? |
| 16:21.50 | wols_ | !room |
| 16:21.50 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
| 16:22.02 | webguy024 | !room |
| 16:22.02 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
| 16:22.07 | webguy024 | CHANNEL! |
| 16:22.08 | wols_ | webguy024: I'd say #defocus, but imho they're all morons who troll there :( |
| 16:22.12 | jordanm | !ot |
| 16:22.13 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 16:22.16 | wols_ | webguy024: maybe use #debian-offtopic |
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| 16:22.41 | wols_ | radicaljoe: the chipset is more important. e.g. so your network controller and sata controller work :) |
| 16:23.25 | webguy024 | thx |
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| 16:25.52 | ubuntubeginner13 | Hello! Anybody runs a broadcom bcm4312 on debian? |
| 16:26.04 | jordanm | !anyone |
| 16:26.04 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
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| 16:26.19 | ubuntubeginner13 | Sorry! |
| 16:26.44 | jordanm | !tell ubuntubeginner13 about bcm4312 |
| 16:26.56 | wols_ | ubuntubeginner13: just be warned, if you run ubuntu, the answers you get here won't help you |
| 16:28.01 | ubuntubeginner13 | I want to move to debian and I wonder if that wireless card is supported that's all. |
| 16:28.50 | wash | actually |
| 16:28.51 | wash | I have one |
| 16:28.56 | wash | hehe. |
| 16:29.04 | ubuntubeginner13 | And if there is a guide how to install it on debian, I'm talking about drivers |
| 16:29.04 | wash | Just had to get it working this week, in fact. |
| 16:29.13 | wash | ubuntubeginner13: let me get you the link |
| 16:29.18 | ubuntubeginner13 | wash, does your wireless work? |
| 16:29.28 | ubuntubeginner13 | wash, thank you sir |
| 16:30.11 | wash | It does. I won't lie, on Debian it's a little bit trickier than on Ubuntu. I can talk you through it, though. What sort of machine is the card in? |
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| 16:30.16 | radicaljoe | wols_:NVIDIA GeForce 8100 chipset |
| 16:30.53 | ubuntubeginner13 | wash, a dell inspiron 1545 |
| 16:31.12 | wash | *nods* Do you have Debian installed right now? |
| 16:31.13 | wols_ | radicaljoe: that one is old enough so it should work fine :) |
| 16:31.23 | jordanm | ubuntubeginner13: dpkg pm'ed you the required information |
| 16:31.34 | ubuntubeginner13 | wash, I want to burn a dvd with debian right now. |
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| 16:31.58 | wash | jordanm - the dpkg for broadcom wifi cards doesn't work so well on sid or lenny |
| 16:31.59 | ubuntubeginner13 | I have an intel t4300 , should i get amd 64 version? |
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| 16:32.28 | jordanm | wash: why is that? |
| 16:32.31 | wols_ | ubuntubeginner13: how much RAM? if it's 4GB or less, no |
| 16:32.31 | radicaljoe | wols_:Burning the cd |
| 16:32.38 | wash | ubuntubeginner13 - do uname -r in a shell, and pm me the result |
| 16:32.40 | ubuntubeginner13 | wash, Right now debian is not installed. 4gb of ram |
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| 16:32.45 | ubuntubeginner13 | ok sir |
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| 16:33.27 | radicaljoe | wols_:It works with ubuntu though ubuntu 10.04 has lost of problems. |
| 16:33.27 | jordanm | wash: b43 supports that card using the backports kernel. how do you think that is different from testing (which I believe currently is the same kernel) |
| 16:33.30 | jordanm | ,kernels |
| 16:33.31 | wols_ | ubuntubeginner13: on a desktop, 64bit is often more hassle than it's worth. closed source plugins like flash for example |
| 16:33.32 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.34-1-686 (2.6.34-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-14); squeeze: 2.6.32-3-686 (2.6.32-9); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.4-686 (2.6.32-11~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-22lenny1); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
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| 16:33.57 | wols_ | ubuntubeginner13: do not message people in here unasked, and especially don't tell them you actually run ubuntu when you want help :) |
| 16:34.14 | ubuntubeginner13 | wols_, So better stick on 32 bit version, I know. |
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| 16:34.30 | ubuntubeginner13 | wols_, they hate it? |
| 16:35.02 | wash | jordanm: just in my experience, the dpkg for the b43 driver is kinda sketchy. I've had to install drivers for broadcom cards on two laptops, both times the debian package didn't work. |
| 16:35.02 | ubuntubeginner13 | wols_, :) |
| 16:35.24 | wols_ | ubuntubeginner13: we hate it, all of us. we don't support ubuntu here |
| 16:35.32 | jordanm | wash: did you file bug reports? |
| 16:36.06 | wols_ | ubuntubeginner13: you need to think what you want: run ubuntu or debian. do you want your wlan to work in ubuntu or debian? and we cannot help you with ubuntu: getting it to work there is a different operation than to get it to work in debian |
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| 16:36.11 | labirint1234 | hi is possible to mount W95 FAT32? is usb key. thakns |
| 16:36.20 | ubuntubeginner13 | wols_, Ok sir sorry for pm, it was for wash |
| 16:36.32 | wols_ | and considering your nickname and how you ask, ubuntu might be the overall better choice for you as your linux distro |
| 16:36.39 | wash | Been meaning too. Broadcom provides an official driver, but I don't believe that's what's in the dpkg, because of licensing issues. Other drivers exist for broadcom cards, I think that's the one that's in the debian package. |
| 16:36.43 | wols_ | !tell labirint1234 about vfatrw |
| 16:36.50 | wols_ | labirint1234: yes it is. works out of the box |
| 16:36.52 | ubuntubeginner13 | I want to move to debian wols and get wlan working |
| 16:36.59 | b4ngb4ng | hi guys, someone knows if tint 2 "0.10" version is going to sid ? |
| 16:37.17 | jordanm | wash: dpkg does reference the wl driver for lenny users who want that card using the stock lenny kernel |
| 16:37.32 | jordanm | b4ngb4ng: ask the maintainer |
| 16:37.51 | ubuntubeginner13 | wols_, Please understand that English is not my native language and please do not disrespect me for wanting to try Debian. |
| 16:38.48 | wols_ | ubuntubeginner13: I don't disrespect you at all |
| 16:39.00 | wash | jordanm, http://www.broadcom.com/support/802.11/linux_sta.php is the one I find to work |
| 16:39.05 | jordanm | ubuntubeginner13: I don't believe he has shown you any disrespect. He gave advice based on what he thinks would be best for you given what he has seen thusfar |
| 16:39.19 | wols_ | and I'm fine with you wanting to use debian, but debian is often perceived as much harder to use than ubuntu by people new to linux |
| 16:39.31 | b4ngb4ng | jordanm, where? |
| 16:39.40 | jordanm | !tell wash about wl |
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| 16:40.03 | jordanm | b4ngb4ng: is any versions of tint2 currently packaged for debian? |
| 16:40.07 | jordanm | ,versions tint2 |
| 16:40.10 | judd | tint2 -- sid: 0.9-2; squeeze: 0.9-2 |
| 16:40.13 | b4ngb4ng | yes |
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| 16:40.25 | jordanm | b4ngb4ng: aptitude show <package>; email the maintainer |
| 16:40.26 | b4ngb4ng | 0.9-2 like judd says |
| 16:40.32 | b4ngb4ng | ah, ok |
| 16:40.36 | ubuntubeginner13 | wols_, Thank you. |
| 16:40.40 | b4ngb4ng | thank you jordanm |
| 16:41.54 | ubuntubeginner13 | jordanm, Ok, I hope I didn't disturbed no one. I know it is more hard than ubuntu but I really need to get wlan working. |
| 16:42.19 | jordanm | ubuntubeginner13: broadcom in general is more difficult than other devices |
| 16:42.40 | ubuntubeginner13 | Why use ubuntu then if I can get wlan working? |
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| 16:42.45 | ubuntubeginner13 | :) |
| 16:43.25 | ubuntubeginner13 | jordanm, I found out but I really can't afford other computer, so I have to stick with that broadcom card. |
| 16:43.37 | wols_ | ubuntubeginner13: cause it might be harder to get wlan working in debian than in ubuntu |
| 16:43.42 | labirint1234 | thanks |
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| 16:44.29 | cahoot | ubuntubeginner13: find out the pciid of the device and what module ubuntu uses (lspci -k) |
| 16:44.37 | wash | Debian's a bit less new-user friendly, you could say. Ubuntu has a GUI for installing broadcom software, and other propietary drivers, for example. |
| 16:44.45 | ubuntubeginner13 | cahoot, ok |
| 16:44.56 | ubuntubeginner13 | cahoot, one moment |
| 16:46.02 | ubuntubeginner13 | cahoot, should I make a pastebin? |
| 16:46.24 | jordanm | only if you can't identify the single line that is for your wlan card |
| 16:46.31 | cahoot | if you find it hard to digest the output yes |
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| 16:48.14 | ubuntubeginner13 | cahoot, http://pastebin.com/59c43iS8 |
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| 16:49.14 | cahoot | ubuntubeginner13: see the last three lines? |
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| 16:50.46 | cahoot | ubuntubeginner13: http://wiki.debian.org/wl |
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| 16:53.37 | cahoot | ubuntubeginner13: I suppose you'll best use a wired connection during install and later do the steps described in the wiki to get you wlan functional |
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| 16:57.45 | ubuntubeginner13 | cahoot, yes i see them... |
| 16:58.01 | ubuntubeginner13 | cahoot, Thank you very much. |
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| 17:00.25 | shazbotmcnasty | I need imlib2 to install this application |
| 17:00.31 | shazbotmcnasty | and it's in /usr/lib |
| 17:00.35 | shazbotmcnasty | and /usr/lib64 |
| 17:00.54 | shazbotmcnasty | how do I add those locations to ./configure so it will see imlib2 ? |
| 17:02.11 | wols_ | shazbotmcnasty: you need the imlib2 dev package cause configure mainly looks for the imlib2 headers, not the library |
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| 17:02.27 | wols_ | ,versions imlib2-dev |
| 17:02.27 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'imlib2-dev' was found. |
| 17:02.41 | shazbotmcnasty | ,versions libimlib2-dev |
| 17:02.42 | judd | libimlib2-dev -- etch: 1.3.0.0debian1-4+etch2; etch-security: 1.3.0.0debian1-4+etch2; lenny: 1.4.0-1.2; lenny-security: 1.4.0-1.2+lenny1; sid: 1.4.2-8+b1; squeeze: 1.4.2-8+b1 |
| 17:02.45 | shazbotmcnasty | :) |
| 17:02.48 | wols_ | yes that one |
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| 17:04.48 | shazbotmcnasty | how do I install ">=pygtk-2.0" |
| 17:05.05 | shazbotmcnasty | ,versions pygtk |
| 17:05.06 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'pygtk' was found. |
| 17:05.15 | cdanson | I just tried to type "man jobs" and received a "No manual entries for jobs" reply -- anyone know why? |
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| 17:06.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | what asks you to install ">=pygtk-2.0" |
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| 17:07.00 | wols_ | cdanson: cause there is no manpage for "jobs"? |
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| 17:07.12 | wols_ | cdanson: I suggest you try it on OSX instead |
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| 17:07.44 | shazbotmcnasty | CutMeOwnThroat, tint2 .10 |
| 17:07.44 | petern_ | gruarghargh |
| 17:07.47 | cdanson | wols_: Okay, so I didn't delete it by mistake |
| 17:07.52 | shazbotmcnasty | I installed python-gtk2-dev |
| 17:07.54 | wols_ | shazbotmcnasty: apt-cache show python-gtk2 |
| 17:07.55 | radicaljoe | CutMeOwnThroat:python-gtk2-dev |
| 17:07.55 | cdanson | wols_: I don't have OSX |
| 17:08.06 | petern_ | gnome in squeeze is starting to annoy me :s |
| 17:08.17 | wols_ | cdanson: it was a joke, due to Steve Jobs being the CEO from apple |
| 17:08.27 | cdanson | wols_: Oh, LOL |
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| 17:08.57 | radicaljoe | CutMeOwnThroat:pygtk is a collection of modules. |
| 17:09.00 | wols_ | shazbotmcnasty: if you want to ask judd in private: /msg judd versions X also /msg dpkg search |
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| 17:09.13 | petern_ | the sound properties thing that lets me select the gstreamer sink for music seems to have disappeared |
| 17:09.13 | shazbotmcnasty | k |
| 17:09.32 | wols_ | shazbotmcnasty: I suggest you start with apt-get build-deps tint2 which should fulfill many/most of dependencies you need |
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| 17:10.08 | wols_ | petern_: just wait a few version and gnome will consist only of a nice red button that says "press me to do your stff" |
| 17:10.12 | wols_ | and you will LIKE it! |
| 17:10.20 | shazbotmcnasty | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:10.31 | shazbotmcnasty | thanks though, I'll remember that trick - i never heard of it before |
| 17:10.33 | petern_ | i guess this is pulseaudio being forced on me |
| 17:10.38 | wols_ | shazbotmcnasty: still, dependencies don't change too much over time |
| 17:10.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions tint2 |
| 17:10.46 | petern_ | but without actually being forced |
| 17:10.46 | judd | tint2 -- sid: 0.9-2; squeeze: 0.9-2 |
| 17:10.59 | petern_ | gnome-volume-control fails to work too, of course |
| 17:11.10 | fruitwerks | how do I install packages that have updates? |
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| 17:12.16 | wols_ | fruitwerks: like any other. apt-get install <package> |
| 17:12.39 | wols_ | if you want to simply update your debian to the newes versions. aptitude ugrade. but if you really asked that, you should read more documentation |
| 17:13.24 | fruitwerks | *nod* |
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| 17:17.47 | elb0w | Any idea why I get this when trying to stop service? http://pastebin.org/298735 |
| 17:18.00 | niklaswe | any ide how i will fix this http://www.allow.se/errors/wine_error Im using 64bit |
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| 17:21.57 | macrobat | cdanson: it might be a shell builtin. "type jobs" "help jobs" |
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| 17:23.10 | rozie | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=583525 |
| 17:23.24 | rozie | do you have any ideas, what else can I check? |
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| 17:24.03 | cdanson | macrobat: thanks for the response |
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| 17:39.20 | wols_ | cdanson: afaik macrobat is right. "jobs" is a bash internal command. you probably need the info files bash docs |
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| 17:40.33 | dkr | or just man bash |
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| 17:44.25 | yakub | this is probably a stupid question but... if i totally encrypt my disk, swap, everything, etc, do i get reduced performance ? |
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| 17:48.04 | jhutchins_lt | elb0w: Whhat release are you on? |
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| 17:53.49 | RayzrShrp | anybody know why /usr/lib/gdm/gdmopen -l /bin/sh -c /etc/gdm/XKeepsCrashing -noopen keeps showing up under ps aux? |
| 17:54.24 | RayzrShrp | and this /usr/bin/whiptail --yesno Failed to start the X server (your graphi |
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| 17:55.29 | RayzrShrp | how do i use dpkg to reconfigure my x.org config? |
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| 17:58.03 | jpinx-eeepc | !tell RayzrShrp about drxx |
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| 18:00.09 | RayzrShrp | this used to work fine. are there known issues with an upgrade to lenny causing this to break? |
| 18:00.49 | RayzrShrp | !tell rayzrshrp about xorg confug |
| 18:00.51 | RayzrShrp | !tell rayzrshrp about xorg config |
| 18:01.28 | jpinx-eeepc | !selftell |
| 18:01.28 | dpkg | Please do not use the bot's !tell feature on #debian to see factoids for yourself (!tell me about something). Doing so could be considered spam. Instead, send a private message to the bot (dpkg) containing the factoid you want to read. For example, instead of "!tell me about foo", use "/msg dpkg foo". See also <msg the bot> |
| 18:01.41 | jpinx-eeepc | RayzrShrp: âââ |
| 18:02.03 | RayzrShrp | oops my badf |
| 18:02.09 | RayzrShrp | i'm newer around here |
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| 18:10.58 | Appetite | how do i change the 'host name' of a computer? |
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| 18:12.52 | wash | Appetite: man hostname |
| 18:13.01 | valdyn | !hostname |
| 18:13.01 | dpkg | Use "hostname foo" to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot (create /etc/hostname if it doesn't exist) and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set up local translations for a FQDN. See also 'man 1 hostname', /etc/mailname. http://wiki.debian.org/HowTo/ChangeHostname |
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| 18:14.55 | wash | Anyone here know how to configure a wireless interface with network manager? I just helped someone get their wireless drivers working, but I'm used to /etc/network/interfaces, I've got no clue how to walk them through network-manager |
| 18:15.25 | valdyn | wash: have him run nm-applet and click click on it |
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| 18:16.41 | wash | He's got it running, he's just unsure how to connect to a wireless network with it. |
| 18:17.11 | valdyn | wash: rightlick to enable wireless ( its probably on by default ) |
| 18:17.20 | wash | ah |
| 18:17.28 | valdyn | wash: left click shows available wireless networks |
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| 18:17.34 | wash | ah |
| 18:18.46 | ubuntubeginner2 | valdyn, Could I pm you please? |
| 18:18.53 | valdyn | ubuntubeginner2: nope |
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| 18:19.11 | ubuntubeginner2 | valdyn, wash wanted me to talk to you. |
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| 18:19.24 | jpinx-eeepc | I have a catch-22 problem with wifi.I am using it to connect, but i want to upgrade to a newer kernel, which doesn't have the drivers I need and i have to install them separately but while booted into the new kernel i am not connected until I get those installed. Is there a way I can chroot into the newer kernel which is installed and do it like that? |
| 18:19.28 | wash | Just ask in here or in #ubuntu |
| 18:19.41 | ubuntubeginner2 | AS I said in ubuntu I get no answer. |
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| 18:20.02 | ubuntubeginner2 | Wireless is enabled.. if I left click the network manager it shows me the wired networks |
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| 18:20.18 | ubuntubeginner2 | But the wireless is in gray and below wireless networks it says disconnected. |
| 18:20.22 | lamah | what is the alternative/same name of "pads", i can't remember debian servers haves some package "pods" or "pids" like "pads" for detection or scan? |
| 18:20.25 | wash | jpinx-eeepc - you could use qemu to test it out |
| 18:20.34 | wash | e.g. qemu-system |
| 18:20.35 | lamah | who knows? :) |
| 18:20.45 | jpinx-eeepc | wash: a vm? |
| 18:20.47 | valdyn | ubuntubeginner2: select any wireless network |
| 18:20.53 | ubuntubeginner2 | I have other options above wireless networks....connect to vpn, create a new wireless network and connect to a hidden wireless network |
| 18:21.02 | ubuntubeginner2 | valdyn, there is none listed. |
| 18:21.19 | ubuntubeginner2 | valdyn, The network manager supports wireless network scan? |
| 18:21.25 | rozie | wash: take a look at wicd |
| 18:21.33 | valdyn | ubuntubeginner2: yes, transparently |
| 18:21.36 | rozie | pretty good for wireless |
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| 18:21.43 | ubuntubeginner2 | rozie, wicd is not good because I have pppoe |
| 18:21.48 | valdyn | theres nothing wrong with network-manager right now |
| 18:21.51 | wash | jpinx-eeepc: Yah, that's what I do for testing kernels |
| 18:21.57 | ubuntubeginner2 | rozie, but I could make my router handle pppoe and go with wicd |
| 18:22.06 | wash | qemu is pretty simple to use and very versatile |
| 18:22.07 | jpinx-eeepc | wash: an you elaborate? |
| 18:22.12 | ubuntubeginner2 | valdyn, Ok...thanks for the help |
| 18:22.29 | ubuntubeginner2 | valdyn, I tough network manager was broke/bugged or something like this |
| 18:22.53 | elkato | Hi, anyone knows if there is a Debian channel in spanish? thx |
| 18:23.07 | ubuntubeginner2 | valdyn, And if I want to connect to my home network I choose create new network? |
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| 18:23.12 | epsilon | #debian.es |
| 18:23.15 | valdyn | ubuntubeginner2: your wlan interface will not be managed by network-manager if its configured in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 18:23.18 | epsilon | (think) |
| 18:23.36 | elkato | thank you epsilon |
| 18:23.39 | ubuntubeginner2 | valdyn, I don't know by what it is managed..wash helped me out here. |
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| 18:23.41 | valdyn | ubuntubeginner2: no, you simply click on the home network, the ssid would be listed |
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| 18:24.23 | ubuntubeginner2 | valdyn, Ok, I will try :) |
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| 18:24.49 | ubuntubeginner2 | valdyn, but if the wlan interface is configured in /etc/network/interfaces how do I connect then ? |
| 18:24.50 | datacrusher | hello everyone, my / folder is at 100%, already cleaned my tmp folder, how do i free some space under / ? |
| 18:24.56 | ubuntubeginner2 | valdyn, By using the terminal? |
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| 18:25.06 | rozie | datacrusher: wajig clean |
| 18:25.08 | valdyn | ubuntubeginner2: http://linux.softpedia.com/progScreenshots/NetworkManager-Screenshot-6451.html is what it should like like |
| 18:25.08 | wash | valdyn: I just talked him through getting the kernel modules installed and persistent. |
| 18:25.09 | epsilon | network-manager sux, do everything in shell if you can |
| 18:25.17 | wash | ^ that |
| 18:25.18 | rozie | or apt* clean |
| 18:25.27 | wash | GUIs are too confusing :( |
| 18:25.37 | ubuntubeginner2 | epsilon, I'm not a shell wizard, not yet. |
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| 18:25.55 | valdyn | ubuntubeginner2: i think this will probably solve itself if you reboot once |
| 18:26.01 | ubuntubeginner2 | valdyn, well it doesn't look like that... |
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| 18:26.11 | epsilon | I tried network-manager in Ubuntu and OpenSuse, both times I failed configuring the network (wlan/vpn) properly |
| 18:26.20 | ubuntubeginner2 | epsilon, hehehe:) |
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| 18:26.34 | ubuntubeginner2 | valdyn, I already rebooted. |
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| 18:27.11 | jhutchins_lt2 | ubuntubeginner2: one of the biggest differences between Ubuntu and Debian is in the user interface. |
| 18:27.11 | valdyn | ubuntubeginner2: does "iwlist wlan0 scanning" find networks? |
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| 18:27.26 | wash | epsilon: of course, because network-manager is a bit too "dumbed down" |
| 18:27.30 | ubuntubeginner2 | valdyn, one second, thanks |
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| 18:27.39 | jhutchins_lt2 | valdyn: I really think it's going to be futile to try to help him, that's exactly the level on which the two systems differ. |
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| 18:27.46 | ubuntubeginner2 | valdyn, find networks? |
| 18:27.49 | ubuntubeginner2 | sorry |
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| 18:27.55 | ubuntubeginner2 | wlan0 Interface doesn't support scanning. |
| 18:27.57 | valdyn | ubuntubeginner2: i dont know your actual interface name, it may not be wlan0 |
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| 18:28.05 | wash | it's eth1 valdyn |
| 18:28.09 | ubuntubeginner2 | ohh |
| 18:28.10 | ubuntubeginner2 | eth1 |
| 18:28.25 | ubuntubeginner2 | eth1 Interface doesn't support scanning. |
| 18:28.27 | jhutchins_lt2 | See? It's a DIFFERENT DISTRIBUTION! |
| 18:28.33 | valdyn | jhutchins_lt2: shut up |
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| 18:28.51 | valdyn | ubuntubeginner2: its not your wlan interface either |
| 18:28.54 | jhutchins_lt2 | valdyn: Why don't you guys take it somewhere other than Debian. |
| 18:28.56 | ubuntubeginner2 | :| |
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| 18:29.04 | valdyn | ubuntubeginner2: maybe you do not have a functional wlan interface |
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| 18:29.12 | ubuntubeginner2 | jhutchins_lt2, I think ubuntu is based on debian? hello? |
| 18:29.14 | valdyn | jhutchins_lt2: im only giving responses that work on debian, period |
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| 18:29.37 | jhutchins_lt2 | ubuntubeginner2: It's a different distribution. Sepecifically, the networking details and user interface are significantly different. |
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| 18:29.59 | jpinx-eeepc | !based on debian |
| 18:29.59 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't know what changes were made by your distribution and it probably falls short of Debian's standards. #debian only supports Debian; you should respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
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| 18:30.06 | valdyn | ubuntubeginner2: run "iwconfig" to list wireless interfaces |
| 18:30.15 | ubuntubeginner2 | valdyn, Ok thanks for helping me. |
| 18:30.29 | wash | Debian is Debian and Ubuntu is Ubuntu |
| 18:30.37 | ubuntubeginner2 | eth1 shows Link Quality:5 Signal level:0 Noise level:0 |
| 18:30.37 | ubuntubeginner2 | ..... |
| 18:30.44 | valdyn | ubuntubeginner2: take it to #ubuntu from here, im annying to many people |
| 18:30.48 | ubuntubeginner2 | so this must be .... |
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| 18:31.22 | ubuntubeginner2 | Sorry I didn't wanted to upset no one. |
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| 18:31.38 | ubuntubeginner2 | I will install debian and try with it aswell. |
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| 18:31.52 | valdyn | ubuntubeginner2: i dont know about any wlan interface that does not support scanning, maybe you had a typo there |
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| 18:33.18 | dboehmer | i am using latex with debian sid |
| 18:33.38 | dboehmer | is there a way to install special LaTeX hyphenation files? |
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| 18:33.49 | valdyn | ubuntubeginner2: use jsut "iwlist scan" and you should see the proper interface with the detected networks |
| 18:34.00 | jhutchins_lt2 | valdyn: That happens with some interfaces, especially with some network managers. |
| 18:34.07 | dboehmer | while writing my diploma thesis i am having heavy problems with wrong hyphened words |
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| 18:34.20 | jhutchins_lt2 | valdyn: Frankly, I'd think that if it comes up as an ethX interface, it's probably not communicating properly. |
| 18:34.32 | valdyn | jhutchins_lt2: the network manager does not interfere with the lower level iwconfig or iwlist |
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| 18:35.19 | datacrusher | rozie, couldnt find nothing about this wajing |
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| 18:35.28 | ||cw | dboehmer: I'm not sure it would be any different than any other latex packaging... I don't use latex though |
| 18:35.29 | wash | It's my fault, I forgot to have him set it up as a wireless interface after installing the modules |
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| 18:35.53 | jhutchins_lt2 | Is there any way to synchronize sound & video on a shoutcast video stream with the mplayer plugin? |
| 18:35.55 | sigmonsays | can I install debian from a tarball? |
| 18:36.04 | sigmonsays | (using some sort of debian installer) |
| 18:36.11 | datacrusher | hello everyone, my / folder is at 100%, already cleaned my tmp folder, how do i free some space under / ? |
| 18:36.14 | valdyn | jhutchins_lt2: mplayer can offset each in time |
| 18:36.29 | jhutchins_lt2 | valdyn: I don't seem to have the normal controls with the plugin. |
| 18:36.34 | valdyn | datacrusher: if you are lucky: apt-get clean |
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| 18:36.38 | jhutchins_lt2 | checks the man pages... |
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| 18:38.38 | jhutchins_lt2 | datacrusher: Let me guess, you have multiple partitions. |
| 18:38.40 | themill | datacrusher: "aptitude clean", uninstall unneeded kernels. |
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| 18:40.00 | datacrusher | valdyn, now i got 96% :D |
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| 18:40.18 | datacrusher | but i think this server was installed with misleading partition sizes |
| 18:40.26 | datacrusher | ill paste my df |
| 18:40.35 | datacrusher | themill, ill do that too |
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| 18:41.07 | wols_ | sigmonsays: you can install debian via debootstrap |
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| 18:41.27 | xvilka | hi all! someone know, if i have some suggestion/invention in debian linux kernel, where is the best place on it? |
| 18:42.01 | sigmonsays | wols_, I want hardware detection, grub setup, root disks formatted, etc. |
| 18:42.17 | sigmonsays | i'm using debootstrap + some other magic to build the tarball |
| 18:42.37 | wols_ | hardware detection? |
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| 18:42.46 | datacrusher | http://pastebin.com/iGXNnrAx |
| 18:42.56 | wols_ | xvilka: lkml.org |
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| 18:43.09 | datacrusher | jhutchins_lt2, yes, i got many, check it out http://pastebin.com/iGXNnrAx |
| 18:43.30 | wols_ | mentor: for e minute I thought you are an imposter :) |
| 18:43.37 | wols_ | s/e/a |
| 18:43.45 | mentor | wols_: For a minute, I was |
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| 18:48.46 | jhutchins_lt2 | No docs for mplayerplug-in... |
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| 18:51.49 | dark | I'm with squeeze. after a safe-upgrade, I got this: mkfs.ext4: /lib/libblkid.so.1: version `BLKID_2.17' not found (required by mkfs.ext4) |
| 18:52.17 | dark | apt-file search libblkid.so.1 prints nothing |
| 18:52.20 | frostschutz | that's why it's called safe upgrade, you can't format your partitions accidently :) |
| 18:52.23 | diago | Hello, I've installed debian lenny as a virt using libvirt and KVM. It seems to be running extremely slow compared to the ubuntu servers runing as virts. I was wondering if debian had a virt kernel or something that I may have missed |
| 18:52.39 | dark | no, i meant, the upgrade broke mkfs.ext4 |
| 18:52.59 | dark | I have a gentoo on a chroot, and I can use mke2fs from that |
| 18:53.08 | jelly-home | dark: dpkg -l libc6 e2fsprogs libblkid1 |tail -3 ? |
| 18:53.13 | dark | but I would like to know about a fix |
| 18:53.20 | dark | hm |
| 18:53.22 | jhutchins_lt2 | Ok, there's an mplayerplug-in.conf file in /etc, in which autosync can be set to a value greater than 0 (30 suggested), we'll see if that helps. |
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| 18:53.39 | jelly-home | dark: probably just mismatched library and app |
| 18:53.53 | jhutchins_lt2 | dark: Packages out of sync is one of the joys of testing. |
| 18:54.04 | jelly-home | ,versions libblkid1 |
| 18:54.06 | judd | libblkid1 -- etch: 1.39+1.40-WIP-2006.11.14+dfsg-2etch1; etch-security: 1.39+1.40-WIP-2006.11.14+dfsg-2etch1; lenny: 1.41.3-1; squeeze: 2.16.2-0; sid: 2.17.2-2 |
| 18:54.06 | dark | :D |
| 18:54.06 | dark | http://pastebin.com/ghcPL9G5 |
| 18:54.40 | dark | i'm doing aptitude safe-upgrade again, nothing about those apps |
| 18:54.54 | craigevil | jhutchins_lt2: better than not being able to boot sid, there have been at least 2 bugs lately that have done just that |
| 18:54.54 | jelly-home | dark: I _suspect_ you'd need something newer than 2.17 to contain that symbol |
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| 18:55.28 | jelly-home | dark: this would be a bug in e2fsprogs, you may or may not report it |
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| 18:55.31 | dark | hm |
| 18:55.39 | dark | maybe I should install it from sid? |
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| 18:55.47 | craigevil | dark: try full-upgrade, safe-upgrade works best on stable |
| 18:55.53 | dark | ah |
| 18:55.57 | jelly-home | dark: if by "it" you mean libblkid1, yes, that would work |
| 18:56.04 | datacrusher | well, im reading here - http://www.debian-administration.org/article/What_to_do_when_the_root_partition_is_full |
| 18:56.20 | jose1711 | hi, does anyone know what's the correct/working way to forward a multicast traffic from one network to another? masquerade seems not to do this for me |
| 18:56.23 | datacrusher | it says "6.5gb of disk for / should be sufficient for debian" |
| 18:56.24 | jelly-home | !why is libblkid1 not in testing |
| 18:56.24 | dpkg | libblkid1 is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=libblkid1 |
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| 18:56.41 | datacrusher | its something related to bills classic phrase "640kb of memory should be enough for everyone" ? |
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| 18:56.52 | dark | mke2fs is from util-linux? |
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| 18:57.01 | jelly-home | dark: no, libblkid1 is |
| 18:57.35 | ||cw | datacrusher: that probably assumes you have a separate /var |
| 18:58.09 | dark | ahh |
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| 18:58.23 | dark | mke2fs is from e2fsprogs |
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| 18:58.44 | dark | ok, it isn't on testing because it doesn't build on other archs |
| 18:58.55 | ||cw | datacrusher: logs and mail queues and spools and mail drops can get out of control pretty easily |
| 18:59.00 | jhutchins_lt2 | Nope/ |
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| 18:59.29 | datacrusher | ||cw, how do i clean mail drops? |
| 18:59.43 | datacrusher | well, i dont have a /var partition |
| 18:59.53 | jelly-home | datacrusher: clean up logs if they're not important to you |
| 18:59.56 | dark | do anyone here also find the official apt docs confusing? |
| 18:59.57 | wols_ | datacrusher: you simply delete the file |
| 18:59.59 | datacrusher | actually, im like this - http://pastebin.com/iGXNnrAx |
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| 19:00.11 | datacrusher | wols_, wich file? |
| 19:00.12 | ||cw | datacrusher: if it's a mail system with users on it, it depends |
| 19:00.21 | datacrusher | no, its a simple samba server |
| 19:00.37 | datacrusher | i got two big partitions, cause the other one records the backups |
| 19:00.42 | ||cw | first find out whats using the space |
| 19:00.45 | datacrusher | and the other one is the home folder |
| 19:00.49 | jelly-home | datacrusher: I s'pose you've already done "aptitude clean"? |
| 19:00.51 | datacrusher | but the problem is on the / |
| 19:00.51 | wols_ | datacrusher: a simple samba server needs almost 5GB for the OS? |
| 19:00.57 | ||cw | du -hs /var/* |
| 19:01.06 | datacrusher | yes! aptitude clean saved tha day, users could open .odf files |
| 19:01.12 | dark | mke2fs working, thanks people =) |
| 19:01.20 | ||cw | datacrusher: how much did that save? |
| 19:01.23 | jelly-home | datacrusher: that means "no", eh? |
| 19:01.26 | datacrusher | 286mb |
| 19:01.32 | ||cw | eek |
| 19:01.39 | ||cw | keep going... |
| 19:01.49 | ||cw | you want a couple gig to keep things happy |
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| 19:01.59 | datacrusher | well, after iv done apt-get update / upgrade i went to 100% |
| 19:02.04 | ||cw | an almost full fs will fragment horribly |
| 19:02.23 | valdyn | uh |
| 19:02.24 | datacrusher | then iv asked here, and did aptitude clean |
| 19:02.25 | jelly-home | datacrusher: you need slack space in /var for an upgrade |
| 19:02.33 | datacrusher | so i got to this stage,, 96% used |
| 19:02.36 | dark | yes, the 5% for root is also due to fragmentation |
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| 19:03.19 | valdyn | datacrusher: when given the options of "6.5G should be enough and 20G will suffice for years", people always go for the 6.5G, why? |
| 19:03.22 | jelly-home | datacrusher: as long as you're running du, care to pastebin eg. "du -xc / |sort -n|tail -20" ? |
| 19:03.24 | dark | datacrusher, i once had /var/cache on a ramdisk |
| 19:03.24 | datacrusher | how do i check the size of the current folder i am, and its recursive ones? i wanna know how much space im using im /var/log |
| 19:03.36 | dark | datacrusher, because i was using the system on a pendrive, which is slooow to write |
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| 19:03.45 | dark | actually most of /var |
| 19:03.49 | dark | and also /tmp |
| 19:04.16 | datacrusher | jelly-home, not sure if im running du |
| 19:04.23 | datacrusher | try your command line thow |
| 19:04.25 | dark | datacrusher, pwd |
| 19:04.30 | dark | ah, du -h |
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| 19:04.39 | datacrusher | pwd shows me the current folder |
| 19:04.44 | dark | the "size", du -h --max-depth 1 |
| 19:04.49 | dark | or 0 |
| 19:04.57 | jelly-home | datacrusher: kill that one; save the output of "du -xc /" into a file, then sort and tail and pastebin |
| 19:05.10 | dark | du -h -c --max-depth 1 is useful here |
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| 19:05.19 | jelly-home | -h isn't sortable |
| 19:05.21 | jpinx-eeepc | re-appears with ...32 running his wifi >( |
| 19:05.29 | jpinx-eeepc | wash: >( |
| 19:05.42 | wash | No luck? |
| 19:05.56 | dark | jelly, interesting |
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| 19:06.05 | jpinx-eeepc | >) |
| 19:06.15 | dark | jelly, i usually do a --max-depth 1, then i cd to the largest directory and repeat |
| 19:06.20 | jpinx-eeepc | wash: sorry / i have to convert my kbmap too |
| 19:06.48 | jelly-home | dark: that's SLOW anre you're duing the same stuff again and again |
| 19:07.06 | dark | jelly, yeah, but I expect the filesystem to cache it |
| 19:07.07 | jelly-home | s,anre,as, |
| 19:07.15 | dark | it's faster after the first time |
| 19:07.19 | dark | (but still slow :P) |
| 19:07.23 | jelly-home | dark: only if you have enough RAM |
| 19:07.35 | dark | 2GB |
| 19:07.37 | datacrusher | jelly-home, http://pastebin.com/qAw6qUq3 |
| 19:07.38 | jelly-home | and nothing else is filling the cache at the same time |
| 19:08.03 | maligor | 7 |
| 19:08.49 | jelly-home | datacrusher: you have lots of crap installed. Either start purging unneeded packages, or grow / partition |
| 19:08.54 | diago | hmm, ok. I need to add the virtio* modules |
| 19:09.20 | dark | it's just.. 6GB? what's the size of the partition? |
| 19:09.28 | jelly-home | 6.5 |
| 19:09.39 | dark | ah it's there doh |
| 19:09.49 | dark | i think 250mb for /usr/share/doc might be a waste |
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| 19:10.02 | dark | also, dos partitions sucks, i'm using lvm here |
| 19:10.04 | jaggz | how do I know if I have ipmi support in me kernel? |
| 19:10.31 | dark | i had this management problem once, and my solution was creating soft links between partitions |
| 19:10.34 | simonrvn | do some research like checking board/cpu specs |
| 19:10.40 | dark | so my /usr once was on my home partition.. |
| 19:10.51 | jk70 | !netinst |
| 19:10.51 | dpkg | rumour has it, netinst is a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ See also <check iso image>, <dialup install>, <usb install>, <installer>. |
| 19:11.13 | jhutchins | datacrusher: You might also consider simplifying your partition structure until you know more about where your data accumulates. |
| 19:11.55 | dark | the problem is: with regular partitions, you can't easily take from one and give to another |
| 19:12.02 | jk70 | !DVD inst |
| 19:12.26 | dark | it mighr be hard or impossible to take from /home and give to / in this scheme. (with lvm, there is no such problem) |
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| 19:13.30 | dark | also, snapshots, very cool for making consistent backups, o.o |
| 19:13.33 | jordanm | even LVM has issues with shrinking... |
| 19:13.38 | ||cw | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:13.40 | dark | jordanm, hmm really? |
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| 19:14.25 | jordanm | dark: it has the ability, sure, but there is still risk of data loss. no so much when growing a partition |
| 19:14.53 | jhutchins | Backup, repartition, restore. |
| 19:14.57 | dark | jordanm, interesting, do you have a link? |
| 19:14.57 | jordanm | LVM has the benefit of being able to extend a "live" parition. I am not aware of anything else that allows for that |
| 19:15.02 | Backup | aye |
| 19:15.05 | Backup | i agree |
| 19:15.09 | ||cw | datacrusher: do you have anything that runs from /usr/local? like stuff you compiled yourself? you might have a /usr/local/log or some such that isn't getting rotated out |
| 19:15.12 | jhutchins | Simplify the partitions structure so you don't need LVM, one less thing to go wrong. |
| 19:15.18 | dark | Backup, =) |
| 19:15.22 | Backup | ;) |
| 19:15.28 | jordanm | dark: man lvresize, description section |
| 19:15.39 | dark | jhutchins, but, still, snapshots are nice |
| 19:15.52 | dark | ah |
| 19:15.59 | dark | you just need to shrink the filesystem.. |
| 19:16.11 | jhutchins | dark: I prefer file-readable backups, they're more flexible. |
| 19:16.28 | dark | [file-readable?] |
| 19:16.36 | jhutchins | dark: snapshots don't actually imply a format, but I think people think of partition images. |
| 19:16.43 | dark | jordanm, it's expected that the data on the end will be lost |
| 19:16.45 | dark | ah |
| 19:16.46 | jhutchins | dark: Of course, you _can_ mount them via loop. |
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| 19:17.02 | dark | jhulst, I do that way: snapshot, plus rsync on the snapshot |
| 19:17.11 | jhutchins | dark: Readable on a file-by-file basis. |
| 19:17.12 | dark | the problem is: the partition is changing while you are doing the backup |
| 19:17.36 | dark | or you mount it read-only during the backup, or you make a snapshot |
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| 19:17.47 | dark | or you risk having inconsistent data |
| 19:17.58 | Backup | i am loved |
| 19:18.05 | dark | yeah |
| 19:18.08 | dark | pretty much :~ |
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| 19:18.21 | Backup | thinks every one should bow down and kiss my feet |
| 19:18.25 | jelly-home | having a common English word as a nickname can often be painful |
| 19:18.31 | Backup | nah |
| 19:18.33 | Backup | its fine |
| 19:18.35 | vlt | jhutchins: An lvm snapshot _is_ "file readable". |
| 19:18.40 | Backup | im not bottered by hilights |
| 19:18.41 | jhutchins | Backup: You are loved more in theory than in practice. |
| 19:18.45 | jelly-home | Backup: Backup Backup Backup Backup |
| 19:18.49 | dark | yeah, lots of people talk about the dark side or other stuff |
| 19:19.08 | Backup | loved in theory, missed in practice :P |
| 19:19.12 | jelly-home | and lots of people that about jelly! |
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| 19:19.21 | jelly-home | s/that/talk/ |
| 19:20.07 | wash | If I still use gcc 4.1, should I be thinking about moving to a newer version? |
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| 19:20.17 | dark | wash, for what? |
| 19:20.22 | valdyn | wash: why would you care? |
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| 19:21.05 | JordiGH | !wtf npoasr |
| 19:21.07 | dpkg | Gee... I don't know what npoasr means... |
| 19:21.13 | jpinx-eeepc | comes back witha wifi strong enough to brew coffee :) |
| 19:21.15 | JordiGH | Ah. |
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| 19:21.44 | wash | valdyn: I don't, really, just wondering if there's any compelling reason to upgrade |
| 19:22.00 | dark | wash, a newer gcc usually has cool stuff that if you need, you already know about (gcc 4.5 has -march=atom for example) |
| 19:22.14 | valdyn | wash: depends on your cost to upgrade |
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| 19:22.30 | dark | wash, are you compiling your own programs? |
| 19:22.41 | valdyn | wash: upgrading your package is almost free unless you are using etch, I guess |
| 19:22.46 | wash | Yep, large number of them. |
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| 19:23.25 | valdyn | wash: compiling programs may or may not be free. However usually things just work, there was no huge breakage in gcc recently iirc |
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| 19:23.33 | valdyn | wash: at least not for plain C |
| 19:23.50 | wash | What about g++? |
| 19:23.55 | jpinx-eeepc | wash: what was that about multicasting the 2 cards? |
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| 19:24.14 | Unode | python2.6 was recently installed on my system. Because of this some of the modules that have been installed are only available to python2.6, however the default python version on the system is still 2.5 |
| 19:24.20 | jelly-home | dark: eh, ubuntu tried to compile the distro for atom and failed rather miserably |
| 19:24.25 | dark | if you are distributing binaries you probably want a "generic" one, so you can't benefit from new -march and such.. i don't know if there's another interesting features |
| 19:24.30 | dark | jelly-home, hm @.@ |
| 19:24.37 | Unode | I tried pycentral updatedefault 2.5 2.6 but nothing seems to change |
| 19:24.58 | dark | jelly-home, I tried to compile lfs for atom, I didn't got past the glibc |
| 19:24.59 | themill | Unode: which version of debian is this? |
| 19:25.02 | jelly-home | dark: didn't have the know-how and/or manpower to maintain it |
| 19:25.06 | dark | :( |
| 19:25.17 | Unode | themill: 'testing' |
| 19:25.40 | valdyn | judd: versions gcc-4.1 |
| 19:25.43 | judd | gcc-4.1 -- etch: 4.1.1-21; lenny: 4.1.2-25; sid: 4.1.2-29; squeeze: 4.1.2-29 |
| 19:25.47 | themill | Unode: if you grab the "python" package from experimental then you'll get py2.6 as the default python straight away (/msg dpkg experimental). |
| 19:25.59 | dark | wash, by 'your own programs' i meant 'do you programmed them yourself?' |
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| 19:26.05 | Unode | themill: I would rather avoid experimental packages directly |
| 19:26.07 | themill | Unode: But which python module packages aren't working for you? A list would be quite handy. |
| 19:26.11 | valdyn | soo, 4.1 still supported in squeeze, i see no compelling reason to upgrade unless you find you really need a certain new optimisation |
| 19:26.16 | Unode | themill: last time it didn't make a pretty outcome |
| 19:26.20 | wash | dark: yes. Mostly I distribute by source through SVN. And by distribute, I mean, some pasty faced friends occasionally use my stuff. |
| 19:26.34 | jelly-home | valdyn: not only supported, they still building kernels with it :-( |
| 19:26.36 | themill | Unode: Setting the default python is non-trivial.... there are tools other than pycentral involved too |
| 19:26.55 | Unode | themill: at the moment I would like to have one of two solutions: upgrade system wide python to run 2.6 and have all the modules working with that python version |
| 19:27.09 | Unode | themill: or make all the modules available to python2.5 |
| 19:27.20 | valdyn | jelly-home: is that bad? I mean, is there evidence that its bad? |
| 19:27.21 | Unode | which is not the case at the moment even though python2.5 is still the default |
| 19:27.24 | wash | Also, people still run etch? |
| 19:27.54 | Unode | wash: people that want to avoid KDE4 yes |
| 19:28.03 | dark | wash, and, do you use fancy gcc flags? (I say this because I usually do just gcc -o program files.. with my little programs, usually something a professor asked or such) |
| 19:28.04 | jelly-home | valdyn: it's bad when I have to fiddle for make-kpkg to work, yes |
| 19:28.19 | valdyn | hehe |
| 19:28.21 | dark | i.e. for me even gcc 3.x is fine |
| 19:28.30 | jelly-home | valdyn: rest of the distro is gcc-4.3 a long since |
| 19:28.31 | themill | Unode: pretty much all but a handful of debian package should already be providing python 2.5 and 2.6 modules in testing. |
| 19:28.32 | jhutchins_lt2 | Unode: lenny is kde3.5 |
| 19:28.43 | wash | dark: yes, I do |
| 19:28.49 | wash | Nothing too extensive |
| 19:29.08 | Unode | themill: well I couldn't understand why python-rpy2 is not available to python2.5 |
| 19:29.20 | valdyn | most significant changes are probly not for i386 anyway |
| 19:29.20 | dark | wash, you might want to read the release notes of the newer gccs |
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| 19:29.40 | Unode | in the deb description it actually has 2.5 as a requiremente |
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| 19:29.47 | Unode | *as a depend |
| 19:29.58 | wash | I browsed at 4.5's, didn't really see anything too appealing. |
| 19:29.59 | dark | http://gcc.gnu.org/gcc-4.5/changes.html , http://gcc.gnu.org/gcc-4.4/changes.html , http://gcc.gnu.org/gcc-4.3/changes.html , .. |
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| 19:30.19 | Unode | jhutchins_lt2: then I dunno |
| 19:30.45 | jhutchins_lt2 | Unode: I think it's the udev update that they avoid. |
| 19:30.56 | themill | Unode: If you have found different then please make sure you're up-to-date with your installed packages and then provide me with a list of ones that don't work. (or file bugs directly with reportbug. (there are usertags for this to add) |
| 19:31.22 | Unode | themill: well at the moment the one I was trying to 'fix' is python-rpy2 |
| 19:31.30 | jelly-home | dark: I'm waiting for clang to become able to build Linux, then it'll be Debian archive rebuilding time ;-) |
| 19:31.32 | Unode | which is only available for python2.6 |
| 19:31.36 | dark | 'The GCC middle-end has been integrated with the MPFR library.' in gcc 4.3, wash, this seems nice for cross compiling |
| 19:32.06 | cdanson | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:32.14 | dark | jelly-home, hmmm.. o.o i heard it has better error messages, haven't tested |
| 19:32.35 | Unode | themill: I also tried update-python-modules without success |
| 19:32.36 | themill | Unode: you might like to check the changelog for that package. |
| 19:32.38 | jelly-home | cdanson: which syscall? Is manpages-dev installed? |
| 19:32.44 | dark | jelly-home, is the code generated actually better? |
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| 19:33.09 | Unode | themill: could you point me a link or a command, I don't know how to check the Changelog |
| 19:33.13 | wash | dark: That's pretty interesting, thanks |
| 19:33.22 | Unode | thanks |
| 19:33.26 | themill | Unode: http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/r/rpy2/current/changelog |
| 19:33.34 | jelly-home | dark: I haven't check... would you trust the authors if they said so? |
| 19:33.35 | cdanson | jelly-home: i will check |
| 19:33.56 | dark | jelly-home, not really |
| 19:34.11 | dark | but llvm seems a lot nice =) |
| 19:34.14 | cdanson | jelly-home: manpages-dev is not installed, so that may solve my problem; thank you |
| 19:34.17 | wash | Oh, there's a compelling reason, c++0x support would be pretty nice |
| 19:34.37 | jelly-home | dark: if Apple uses it can't be really bad |
| 19:34.43 | Unode | themill: shows nothing relevant... only 'New upstream release' messages |
| 19:34.49 | jelly-home | wash: isn't 0x a draft? |
| 19:34.53 | themill | Unode: please read more carefully. |
| 19:35.25 | wash | Yah, but newer version of G++ support it. |
| 19:35.27 | Unode | oh on the current, sorry I was reading the version I had |
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| 19:35.43 | Unode | themill: so it was fixed in unstable, am I reading it right? |
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| 19:36.09 | themill | Unode: yes. And the version you have of that package explicitly has py2.5 builds disabled. |
| 19:36.16 | wash | Plus, 70% of 0x is stuff already implemented in boost |
| 19:36.35 | Unode | themill: so I guess I'll have to find a way to jump into python2.6 |
| 19:37.00 | Unode | even if python2.5 is allowed in the most recent build |
| 19:37.04 | themill | Unode: or check the bugs that the sid package has and install that |
| 19:37.49 | Unode | themill: do you have any idea what's the time frame of a package going from unstable into testing? |
| 19:37.58 | wash | Does anyone know of a gedit-like text editor with a decent class browser plugin? |
| 19:38.23 | Unode | and out of curiosity, what's the ETA on python2.6 global upgrade in Debian |
| 19:39.01 | Unode | without going to experimental I mean |
| 19:39.13 | dark | wash, maybe kate? |
| 19:39.21 | themill | !why is rpy2 not in testing |
| 19:39.21 | dpkg | rpy2 is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=rpy2 |
| 19:39.24 | themill | Unode: ^^ |
| 19:39.31 | Unode | :P |
| 19:39.32 | dark | wash, gedit has nice plugins, it might have what you want |
| 19:39.32 | Unode | neat |
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| 19:39.52 | cdanson | I have another question about my previous question: was my previous inquiry pasted in its entirety? On my screen (using KSirc) I see the line start with 'system call...', which suggests a big chunk preceding those words was cut off. |
| 19:39.56 | Unode | ah I see |
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| 19:40.17 | dark | cdanson, you pasted where? |
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| 19:40.33 | cdanson | I pasted it in this channel, a few lines back. |
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| 19:40.52 | valdyn | cdanson: it starts with system call here |
| 19:41.03 | wash | I've tried all of the class browser plugins for gedit, they work nicely for python but not C and C++ (I mean, it's decent, but, functions and members can't be displayed under the classes they belong to, and it ignores inheritance entirely). I like Kate, but I'd kinda like to avoid installing KDE tuff |
| 19:41.07 | wash | *stuff, even |
| 19:41.23 | dark | <cdanson> system call command in section 2, rather than the user utility stored in section 1, but the system replies with 'No manual entry for write in section 2.' Does anyone know why? (i'm running Debian lenny) |
| 19:41.32 | Unode | !why python2.6 not in testing |
| 19:41.37 | dark | cdanson, you are doing man what? |
| 19:41.42 | cdanson | valdyn, dark: Thank you. This means something went wrong with the pasting process. Extra kudos to jelly-home for making sense of it :-) |
| 19:41.45 | Unode | guess it doesn't work like that :P |
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| 19:41.57 | Unode | !why is python2.6 not in testing |
| 19:41.57 | dpkg | python2.6 is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=python2.6 |
| 19:42.05 | cdanson | dark: The original question was answered already. Thank you. :-) |
| 19:42.14 | dark | wash, you can use a qt engine for displaying it with the gtk look and feel |
| 19:42.25 | dark | ok cdanson =) |
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| 19:42.31 | jelly-home | cdanson: we still don't know which syscall!! |
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| 19:42.44 | jelly-home | :-D |
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| 19:42.59 | dark | man printf here is the command |
| 19:43.13 | dark | to see the C function i need to say man 3 printf |
| 19:43.28 | jelly-home | dark: eh, printf is a libc call, not a syscall |
| 19:43.32 | dark | but yeah, to see the read syscall, i need to say man 2 read |
| 19:43.54 | cdanson | The 'write' system call, which is also a userland utility (hence I was trying to access it via "man 2 write" as per my Linux instructional book that I am reading, which caused the 'missing entry' error). |
| 19:43.58 | dark | wash, eclipse, netbeans, etc. is unusable for me.. and also is emacs, but because of the odd key binds (and cua mode isn't really helping) |
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| 19:44.05 | jelly-home | read man 2 read to read read(2) |
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| 19:44.21 | kaeser_notebook | How do I install iceweasel 3.5 ? |
| 19:44.21 | kaeser_notebook | I am on squeeze. |
| 19:44.28 | dark | cdanson, hmm.. aptitude install manpages-dev? (or something like that) |
| 19:44.40 | jordanm | ,versions iceweasel |
| 19:44.41 | judd | iceweasel -- etch: 2.0.0.19-0etch1; etch-security: 2.0.0.19-0etch1; lenny: 3.0.6-3; lenny-security: 3.0.6-3; lenny-backports: 3.5.8-1~bpo50+2; sid: 3.5.9-3; squeeze: 3.5.9-3; experimental: 3.6.4~build2-1 |
| 19:44.42 | themill | Unode: py2.6 as default will move from experimental to unstable some time soon⢠and then from sid to squeeze one day when things are less broken and things work with it |
| 19:44.50 | jelly-home | cdanson: thanks |
| 19:44.51 | diago | do you use virtio even with qcow2 image disks? |
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| 19:44.54 | jordanm | kaeser_notebook: the same way you install any other package |
| 19:44.56 | dark | i think build-essential will also install development man pages |
| 19:45.11 | wash | Know of anything more light weight? (aptitude tells me I'd need to install 30 new packages for Kate, hehe) |
| 19:45.28 | dark | here man 2 write works, btw, cdanson |
| 19:45.28 | themill | dark: man pages are absolutely not essential for compiling debian packages. |
| 19:45.28 | Unode | themill: yeah.. I was trying to put some time range on the soon⢠logo :) |
| 19:45.30 | jordanm | !emacs |
| 19:45.30 | dpkg | Emacs is the extensible macro editor that is already quite extensively extended. A popular editor choice with major and minor modes for almost every conceivable language and task. High priests of emacs have even been known to use emacs as their shell, and sometimes have whole systems with init=/usr/bin/emacs. [Escape Meta Alt Control Shift] http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs http://emacswiki.org/ #emacs on irc.freenode.net. |
| 19:45.35 | kaeser_notebook | jordanm, since the package exists |
| 19:45.50 | themill | Unode: hitting sid some time in may 2010 was the last I heard ;( |
| 19:45.53 | jelly-home | cdanson: people who bought manpages-dev also liked: glibc-doc from non-free |
| 19:45.59 | Unode | themill: it's a bit annoying because debian has been struggling with it for more than a year now |
| 19:46.06 | dark | themill, ok, :D I install build-essential just for getting gcc, g++, .., i hardly build a debian package |
| 19:46.13 | dark | also make |
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| 19:46.44 | Unode | themill: and on work systems we already had to shift to ubuntu because a lot of python modules we were using were no longer compatible with python2.5 |
| 19:46.44 | merlincorey | lolol |
| 19:46.48 | cga | hi all, is there a way to configure libpam-tmpdir in /etc/pam.d/something.conf ?? i need to tell it that passenger tmpdir should always be /tmp instead of /tmp/user/0 , please thanks |
| 19:46.53 | themill | Unode: #573745 is perhaps not unrelated. |
| 19:47.00 | merlincorey | Unode: you can use 2.6 on debian |
| 19:47.06 | Unode | themill: seems like it's going to hit the servers too and eventually we'll have to go there |
| 19:47.08 | valdyn | wash: tried geany? |
| 19:47.13 | merlincorey | Unode: you just need to install it and update a configuration file |
| 19:47.15 | dark | wash, well, i'm using gedit here myself.. i also like vim, but I can't do much mouse-oriented editing with it |
| 19:47.29 | themill | Unode: well... considering how broken py2.6 has been in the last couple of ubuntu releases, I'd not use that as advertising. |
| 19:47.34 | wash | Nope, never heard of it valdyn, will have to check it out |
| 19:47.35 | jordanm | Unode: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=573745 |
| 19:47.38 | cdanson | dark: It works for me too, after having installed manpages-dev. |
| 19:47.47 | dark | wash, I usually browse classes with an external command, such as ri for ruby, or pydoc for python. but this will show just the standard classes |
| 19:47.51 | Unode | merlincorey: yes, but debian has a mixed module installation thingy which makes it awfully complicated to install modules and not having them available to all python versions |
| 19:47.51 | cdanson | jelly-home: Thanks for the additional tip. :-) |
| 19:47.53 | dark | cdanson, ah. =) |
| 19:47.58 | wash | vim occasionally makes me want to cry a little |
| 19:48.31 | dark | wash, it did this to me too. :( |
| 19:48.49 | dark | wash, now I have only emacs as the beast to defeat (right now) |
| 19:49.07 | jordanm | dark: maybe you would prefer gui emacs in vi mode |
| 19:49.08 | merlincorey | Unode: false |
| 19:49.08 | Unode | merlincorey: plus, I wouldn't mind having python2.5 on the system, I would just like to have a different default for the users |
| 19:49.09 | rozie | wash: what do you want from editor? |
| 19:49.09 | themill | Unode: "mixed module installation thingy" is a mess that python developers created and have _finally_ seen fit to try to fix for python 3.2... |
| 19:49.09 | merlincorey | Unode: IME they have separate folders per version and upgrading the default version required reinstallation of eggs for |
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| 19:49.12 | Unode | themill: well I dunno about the 'broken' state, but on ubuntu we have not hit problems yet |
| 19:49.16 | dark | jordanm, viper? |
| 19:49.16 | rozie | maybe mcedit is enough? |
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| 19:49.49 | wash | rozie: regex search and replace, class browser oriented for C++, a shortcut for jump to line number, embedded shell |
| 19:49.50 | webguy024 | i setup ssh on my debian server, login using sftp. I chmoded the directory where I upload files but when I upload them I am unable to overwrite them. How do I change the permissions of all the files that are uploaded so that I can overwrite them with sftp? |
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| 19:50.06 | Unode | themill: yeah I know that, thing is debian was probably the only distro that cared in that regard |
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| 19:50.25 | dark | jordanm, yes, i tried it, cool stuff. but sincerely I want just something like gedit, with tabs with that semantics, and with usual bindings, plus the nice part of emacs (for me, right now, the tab key) |
| 19:50.41 | Unode | most distros just use the 'python' way... meaning either eggs with different versions or you stick with the version that is more recent |
| 19:50.43 | wash | XML validation would be nice |
| 19:50.53 | Unode | which is not actually a solution per se |
| 19:50.58 | dark | the tabs available for emacs are a bit weird |
| 19:51.14 | webguy024 | i don't need directions on how to do it - someone just point me to the right thing to search for in google |
| 19:51.15 | webguy024 | :) |
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| 19:51.37 | jordanm | dark: " |
| 19:51.40 | dark | webguy024, chmod +w file? |
| 19:51.49 | dark | webguy024, really, i don't know anything besides man chmod for that |
| 19:52.01 | dark | chmow -R +w directory |
| 19:52.03 | dark | i guess |
| 19:52.06 | jordanm | dark: "tabs" are called buffers in emacs. you might want something like ecb + io-mode |
| 19:52.16 | Unode | merlincorey: I was referring to the problem that shows up when a module is not available to all python versions. Either because debian doesn't allow it (for known bad reasons) or simply because it's not yet properly tested |
| 19:52.27 | dark | jordanm, there are buffers, and then there are something weird that is like a tab, but not completely |
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| 19:52.55 | dark | http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/TabBarMode i think |
| 19:53.00 | jordanm | dark: ah, don't think I have used what your referring to |
| 19:53.08 | Unode | on the other hand, I don't understand why debian itself doesn't use specific python versions in their own scripts so that regardless of the default python version, they just work |
| 19:53.29 | djura-san | i have one question: how to actually update from grub leagcy? Im not sure how to get that "update-from-grub-legacy" option in my current debian. i upgraded from debian stable (lenny) to sid |
| 19:53.30 | dark | Unode, it seems to be a bug |
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| 19:54.05 | dark | djura-san, i don't know the 'proper' way, but here i simply install the new grub, then configure it, then grub-install |
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| 19:54.12 | jerware | hi |
| 19:54.13 | Unode | in other words, the fact that things might be broken shouldn't prevent one to change the default python version system wise |
| 19:54.17 | dark | it might not need any configuration |
| 19:54.25 | djura-san | dark: i have grub1 and grub2 i think. |
| 19:54.30 | merlincorey | Unode: 2 |
| 19:54.34 | merlincorey | Unode: sorry |
| 19:54.35 | jerware | what is the debian's equivilant of fsck? |
| 19:54.37 | djura-san | that is why i can chainload to grub2 from grub1 |
| 19:54.41 | jelly-home | jerware: fsck |
| 19:54.46 | dark | ah |
| 19:54.47 | wash | jerware: fsck? |
| 19:54.49 | Unode | jelly-home: :) |
| 19:54.51 | dark | this i don't know how to do |
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| 19:54.57 | DelphiWorld | hi all friends |
| 19:54.59 | DelphiWorld | i love debian |
| 19:55.01 | jerware | command not found |
| 19:55.02 | dark | djura-san, i thought they would exclude each other o.o i have only grub2 anyway |
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| 19:55.05 | jordanm | ,file update-from-grub-legacy |
| 19:55.08 | judd | No packages were found with that file. |
| 19:55.12 | jordanm | ,file update-from-grub-legacy --release sid |
| 19:55.13 | DelphiWorld | and i love to create a custom embedded debian based distro |
| 19:55.16 | judd | No packages were found with that file. |
| 19:55.17 | Unode | jerware: fsck.<TAB><TAB> |
| 19:55.19 | DelphiWorld | anyone know a CPU called MSTI? |
| 19:55.22 | jelly-home | jerware: your root's path seems to be missing the /sbin directory |
| 19:55.47 | djura-san | judd: that is why im so confused :\ |
| 19:55.52 | dark | Management Support Technology, Inc.. Mountain States Tumor Institute.. |
| 19:55.53 | jerware | nah I have to be root. |
| 19:55.54 | jerware | thanks |
| 19:55.55 | Unode | DelphiWorld: My Sweet Texas Instruments? |
| 19:56.01 | djura-san | well i will try to uninstall grub1 |
| 19:56.04 | djura-san | thumbs up |
| 19:56.20 | jelly-home | DelphiWorld: microsoft/texas instruments? |
| 19:56.24 | DelphiWorld | UnderTaLker: i don't know, is MSTI |
| 19:56.30 | jordanm | djura-san: that is not recommended if you have not made the transition... do you have both grub-legacy and grub-pc installed? |
| 19:56.46 | dark | http://www.compactpc.com.tw/ebox-3300.htm like the one this have? |
| 19:56.46 | jelly-home | Mystery Science Theatre Instructionset? |
| 19:57.42 | dark | i would like to have a small box like that as a home server =) |
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| 19:57.54 | djura-san | jordanm: i think i di |
| 19:57.54 | djura-san | let me check again |
| 19:57.54 | DelphiWorld | jordanm: you are from jordan? |
| 19:57.54 | jordanm | DelphiWorld: no, jordan is my name |
| 19:57.54 | jelly-home | DelphiWorld: are you from Greece? |
| 19:57.54 | DelphiWorld | ok jordanm;) |
| 19:57.54 | djura-san | it seems that i have no grub-legacy package :\ |
| 19:57.55 | DelphiWorld | jelly: why? |
| 19:57.55 | DelphiWorld | how do you guess that jelly? |
| 19:57.55 | Unode | jelly-home: no, from Delphi World :) |
| 19:57.55 | jordanm | "delphi" |
| 19:57.55 | jelly-home | DelphiWorld: from Delphi, to be more specific |
| 19:57.55 | wash | valdyn: thanks for the section, geany looks pretty cool |
| 19:57.55 | DelphiWorld | is from Debian world |
| 19:57.59 | jerware | Is it safe to attempt to repair fat32 file systems with linux's fsck ? |
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| 19:58.09 | jerware | It's a usb thumb drive |
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| 19:58.14 | zinx | jerware: yes |
| 19:58.16 | Unode | jerware: should be no problem |
| 19:58.27 | jelly-home | jerware: install dosfstools and use dosfsck |
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| 19:59.00 | DelphiWorld | doe is supported or no? |
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| 19:59.12 | Unode | doe? |
| 19:59.22 | jelly-home | jerware: (it ought to be used when fsck is called on a vfat filesystem automatically, but who knows) |
| 19:59.37 | DelphiWorld | Unode: i have a EBox2 embedded box |
| 19:59.44 | jordanm | there is fsck.vfat, similar to mount.vfat |
| 19:59.53 | jelly-home | jordanm: that's dosfsck |
| 19:59.56 | jordanm | (points to dosfsck) |
| 20:00.16 | djura-san | it seems that i need to select that option from grub loader :\ |
| 20:00.17 | DelphiWorld | jelly-home: i am from algeria acording to your guess |
| 20:00.24 | gloin | quick question about .deb files: I've built a .deb that had a pretty large file in it (a squashfs homedir). Now I'm wanting to update other portions of that .deb but not force a 30-meg download, however when I remove the big file from the directory I'm building from and make a .deb, installing that deb deletes the corresponding file from the system it was installed on. How do I create an updated version of the deb that doesn't do this? |
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| 20:00.26 | Unode | DelphiWorld: no clue, but I would probably put that in the ARM category |
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| 20:00.44 | Unode | DelphiWorld: that's were most embedded systems fall |
| 20:01.01 | valdyn | gloin: you dont. there's no good way |
| 20:01.10 | jordanm | gloin: split it into multiple packages and install both packages |
| 20:01.10 | dark | DelphiWorld, it looks like it's x86 |
| 20:01.25 | jordanm | your existing package will still get removed however |
| 20:01.28 | gloin | argh, I was hoping the answer would be different |
| 20:01.29 | dark | DelphiWorld, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nettop links to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vortex86 with the name MSTI PDX-600 (x86) |
| 20:01.58 | DelphiWorld | thank you dark |
| 20:02.34 | Sm0ke0ut | if I do `dpkg -l` I'll also get the removed packages. How can I purge those from that list |
| 20:03.17 | DelphiWorld | bye and thank you all |
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| 20:03.26 | oru_work | can anyone recommend a ticket support software that would let me create statistics possibly in the form of charts/graphs after some period of time ? |
| 20:03.29 | valdyn | Sm0ke0ut: by purging the packages |
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| 20:04.02 | valdyn | Sm0ke0ut: removed packages in that list still have their config files intact. Purging removes the config files and the "list entry" |
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| 20:04.27 | Sm0ke0ut | I always do --purge on removal (with apt-get though) |
| 20:04.51 | valdyn | Sm0ke0ut: that does not purge packages that got removed as dependency |
| 20:05.08 | oru_work | err got banned |
| 20:05.12 | oru_work | for a second ther |
| 20:05.14 | oru_work | :) |
| 20:05.16 | themill | Sm0ke0ut: what does the output of "aptitude search ~c" show? |
| 20:06.25 | Sm0ke0ut | nothing |
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| 20:06.26 | themill | oru_work: don't post the same thing in multiple channels at once then. Cross-posting isn't really a polite thing to do on irc any more than it is on usenet or on mailing lists |
| 20:06.33 | gloin | I should probably create a meta package |
| 20:06.54 | valdyn | gloin: or one package depending on the other |
| 20:06.58 | Sm0ke0ut | http://pastebin.com/5MDahd98 |
| 20:07.18 | jordanm | gloin: is this something you are distributing to a large number of machines? |
| 20:07.19 | gloin | valdyn: yeah, thing is sometimes I'll want to update that large binary blob but most of the time I'll only want to change configs |
| 20:07.34 | gloin | jordanm: about 30 machines internally over a WAN that's got a lot of T1 links |
| 20:07.58 | jordanm | a .deb is sensible then. just making sure you were not doing this work for one machine :) |
| 20:08.02 | gloin | updating 5 machines at once pretty much hoses those links when there's normal business traffic on them |
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| 20:08.25 | valdyn | gloin: so make a core.deb and data.deb that depend on each other |
| 20:08.43 | jelly-home | download during off-hours? |
| 20:08.49 | gloin | heh, not an option |
| 20:08.54 | jordanm | why is that? |
| 20:08.58 | valdyn | gloin: meta package only makes sense when you want to gather packages that are seperate functional entities |
| 20:09.13 | Sm0ke0ut | Good. I'll try to reinstall and remove it with dpkg. Maybe that would help |
| 20:09.29 | jelly-home | gloin: do only bity bits of the package change? |
| 20:09.30 | gloin | these are semi-thinterms, basically boot and load a browser for our ERP system. /home is union+squashfs |
| 20:09.41 | jelly-home | s/bity/tiny/ |
| 20:09.45 | gloin | sometimes I need to change /home, which is a big file |
| 20:09.48 | gloin | most of the time, it's small stuff |
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| 20:10.06 | gloin | the design is that the machine loads GRUB with a choice of "normal" or "update" |
| 20:10.13 | jelly-home | gloin: can you keep an unpacked version of the package locally? |
| 20:10.29 | valdyn | maybe .deb is not what this should be packaged in |
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| 20:10.34 | gloin | update requires a trivial password, does apt-get update && apt-get -y install ourpackage |
| 20:10.47 | gloin | and no, the hard drives on these are either 512mb or 1g |
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| 20:11.04 | gloin | not a lot of room for local storage, plus they're flash drives so we don't want to do a lot of writes |
| 20:11.19 | gloin | (thus /var and whatnot is all ramdisk) |
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| 20:11.39 | valdyn | i would think about some network boot install |
| 20:11.42 | gloin | anyhow, the idea is that a remote tech can walk to the various terminals at his/her site and reboot them to update mode and walk away |
| 20:11.46 | valdyn | and rsync |
| 20:11.46 | NativeAngels | hello can debian be installed on a sunfire v100 |
| 20:11.47 | valdyn | not .deb |
| 20:11.59 | jelly-home | !sparc |
| 20:11.59 | dpkg | [sparc] the CPU architecture used in Sun's proprietary hardware. Non-embedded systems usually run Solaris. For more information about SPARC, see http://www.sparc.org/ and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SPARC . To install Debian, ask me about <install guide> and see http://wiki.debian.org/PortsSparc . For help with Debian on SPARC, join #debian-sparc on irc.oftc.net. |
| 20:12.43 | gloin | I would think still that a metapackage might make sense (and save me yet another re-engineering) |
| 20:13.03 | gloin | have the metapackage pull in only what's needed for a given revision |
| 20:13.10 | gloin | or maybe not? |
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| 20:13.17 | oru_work | themill, sorry |
| 20:13.18 | jelly-home | NativeAngels: the sparc factoid above is for you |
| 20:13.39 | valdyn | gloin: I still think taht theres no particular reason why you would need a meta package for this, but that doesnt mean that a metapackage couldnt get the job done |
| 20:14.05 | gloin | my main goals here are to minimize bandwidth use for minor updates and make upgrading simple enough that a non-technical user can initiate it |
| 20:14.18 | NativeAngels | ok thanks jelly-home |
| 20:14.23 | valdyn | gloin: so split this up into as many packages as you want. |
| 20:14.30 | gloin | I suppose I could set GRUB up to do another form of network upgrade |
| 20:14.42 | webguy024 | how do I enable a mod in apache2 under debian? I see mods-available and mods-enabled - do I move the rewrite.load file to the mods-enabled? If so how? |
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| 20:14.54 | jordanm | webguy024: a2enmod |
| 20:14.54 | valdyn | webguy024: man a2enmod |
| 20:14.59 | webguy024 | thx |
| 20:15.19 | jelly-home | webguy024: zless /usr/share/doc/apache2.2-common/README.Debian.gz is a good start |
| 20:15.47 | jordanm | was about to point to /usr/share/doc/apache2/README.Debian.gz ... |
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| 20:16.17 | jordanm | looks like it is the same file |
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| 20:16.28 | jelly-home | !apache manual |
| 20:16.28 | dpkg | For Apache 2: http://localhost/doc/apache2-doc/manual/ or http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/ . See /usr/share/doc/apache2.2-common/README.Debian.gz for an explanation of the Debian Apache configuration file layout. |
| 20:16.47 | jelly-home | that's the only factoid referencing it |
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| 20:18.58 | jelly-home | gloin: if you gave the terminald something like a 4GB usb stick instead of .5/1GB... miracles would be possible ;-) |
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| 20:19.09 | gloin | yes, well |
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| 20:19.34 | gloin | I'm going to have to stick with being clever enough to simulate miracles. |
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| 20:19.38 | gloin | ;) |
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| 20:22.15 | jelly-home | you might eschew packages completely and do something like rsync the whole filesystem |
| 20:22.37 | gloin | seems silly when some of the diffs are measurable on the order of a few bytes |
| 20:23.07 | jelly-home | that's exactly where rsync would save bandwidth |
| 20:23.15 | greycat | Lenny box, root FS is on md0 (RAID 1, 2 same-size SATA disks). There's also md1 (RAID 1). When the file system hasn't been checked for 6 months, an fsck is forced at boot, and it takes 20 minutes for the root FS, 40 for the other. Is there a way to make that NOT take an hour? |
| 20:23.21 | gloin | oh, heh |
| 20:23.26 | gloin | was thinking wget, not rsync |
| 20:24.10 | jelly-home | greycat: md[01] don't reside on the same physical devices? |
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| 20:24.42 | frostschutz | greycat: what filesystem is that? |
| 20:24.43 | ||cw | greycat: use an fs that doens't require regular fsck |
| 20:24.45 | greycat | Actually there's md0, md1 and md2. md1 is swap, very small. md0 and md1 are on the same pair. md2 is on a different pair. |
| 20:24.58 | dark | can rsync detect simple moves/renames? (like git sometimes does) |
| 20:24.59 | greycat | frostschutz: ext3 |
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| 20:25.10 | jelly-home | greycat: sounds like a smart fsck script ought to be able to detect that |
| 20:25.25 | ||cw | the only ways to make it faster is to not use ext3, don't fsck, or get faster disks |
| 20:25.26 | jelly-home | and, naturally, debian's doesn't |
| 20:25.47 | greycat | jelly-home: I don't know if the issue is that MD is doing some sort of rebuild at the same time fsck is trying to run, or what. I can't login to find out, while it's happening. I just have to sit there for an hour. |
| 20:25.52 | jelly-home | well, greycat didn't ask how to evade fsck at all |
| 20:26.05 | ||cw | jelly-home: by default ext3 still insists on being fsck'd ever 180 days no matter if there's a problem |
| 20:26.27 | jelly-home | ||cw: that's trivially avoidable using tune2fs (-c and -i options) |
| 20:26.32 | ||cw | yes it is |
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| 20:26.52 | jelly-home | greycat: no console access? |
| 20:27.01 | greycat | not while it's fscking |
| 20:27.03 | dark | I would like to have a filesystem with some redundancy.. not very fancy, just some hashes |
| 20:27.17 | dark | i think zfs does that (but just for solaris) |
| 20:27.21 | greycat | I do have a physical console, yes. Just can't DO anything. |
| 20:27.48 | frostschutz | greycat: you could disable it with tune2fs and just fsck whenever you so desire, or just disable it period |
| 20:28.11 | cwillu_at_work | dark, btrfs has that |
| 20:28.28 | cwillu_at_work | and zfs is definitely in the "fancy" category :p |
| 20:28.28 | dark | cwillu_at_work, nice, it's experimental though |
| 20:28.31 | greycat | I was hoping someone had an answer like, "Oh, you need to tell MD to delay its maintenance by 10 minutes, by editing _____ file" |
| 20:29.00 | jelly-home | greycat: I don't see it being a md issue, but if you can't even see what's happening, who knows |
| 20:29.53 | jelly-home | greycat: stupid question, fstab has the same pass value for both md1 and md2? |
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| 20:30.41 | greycat | "0 1" for md0 (root) and "0 2" for md2 (data) |
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| 20:31.14 | jelly-home | greycat: there's the answer to "why doesn't it do them in parallel", then |
| 20:31.17 | ||cw | greycat: md can do maintenance in the background, ext3 is the trouble maker here |
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| 20:31.37 | jelly-home | greycat: first all the pass 1, ... |
| 20:32.07 | greycat | jelly-home: so you're thinking that I should make them both run in the same pass, so that it takes 40 minutes instead of 60? |
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| 20:32.22 | greycat | I'd still prefer to get it down to 5 minutes, like all the *non* MD systems take. |
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| 20:33.30 | jelly-home | greycat: do the arrays have abysmal performance otherwise? |
| 20:33.34 | ewindisch | if the MD is repairing itself, which it will do on a reboot, it will drive your IOPs up, slowing stuff like fsck. |
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| 20:34.01 | ewindisch | especially if it was a non-graceful reboot |
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| 20:34.22 | greycat | it's generally a graceful reboot |
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| 20:34.25 | jelly-home | greycat: does /proc/mdstat (or dmesg) report any rebuilding done after boot? |
| 20:35.05 | valdyn | greycat: why is any maintenance done at reboot beside fsck? |
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| 20:35.28 | valdyn | greycat: because your system crashed and your raid is out of sync? |
| 20:35.42 | jaggz | I'm trying to get some hardware monitoring software going on my debian DELL system.. anyone familiar with this? |
| 20:35.42 | greycat | jelly-home: nothing about rebuilds in dmesg. Things like "[ 5.962902] raid1: raid set md2 active with 2 out of 2 mirrors" |
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| 20:35.58 | valdyn | greycat: /proc/mdstat ? |
| 20:36.09 | greycat | valdyn: clean at the moment. |
| 20:36.23 | greycat | md2 : active raid1 sdb1[0] sdd1[1] 488383936 blocks [2/2] [UU] |
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| 20:36.38 | valdyn | greycat: so its just a huge fs, so fsck will be slow.. |
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| 20:37.00 | jelly-home | greycat: if you state your other 240GB ext3 get fscked in 5 minutes, I'll have to ask where you buy your drives |
| 20:37.03 | greycat | It's an order of magnitude slower than similarly-sized file systems on non-MD systems. |
| 20:37.28 | b33r | Hello when I try apt-get update I get this error E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (13: Permission denied) I'm logged in as root how can I fix this please? also I don't see any other apt-get process running :/ |
| 20:37.37 | valdyn | greycat: thats certainly not common with md |
| 20:37.37 | jelly-home | greycat: and similarly inode-filled? |
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| 20:37.59 | valdyn | greycat: number of files matters, nothing else as far as i can tell |
| 20:38.05 | valdyn | greycat: not really the size |
| 20:38.18 | greycat | hmm. |
| 20:38.20 | jelly-home | b33r: which debian release are you using? |
| 20:38.32 | ||cw | greycat: same disk types? slowness can also be a sign of a failing disk, check SMART values and see if allocations or CRC errors are high |
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| 20:39.00 | ||cw | and benchmark it to see if it's performing as you would expect |
| 20:39.36 | ||cw | b33r: what about an aptitude process? is /var read only for some reason? |
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| 20:39.48 | jelly-home | valdyn: well it is the size... size of the metadata ;-) |
| 20:39.58 | valdyn | jelly-home: true |
| 20:40.16 | jelly-home | speed of fsck is one nice thing about ext4 |
| 20:40.45 | valdyn | I wouldnt do automatic fsck anyway, not on large volumes |
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| 20:41.25 | dark | greycat, is your raid made via software? also, is it 'aligned'? it seems that there are some tricks about raid performance |
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| 20:41.50 | jelly-home | some people near lkml suggest using lvm, fscking snapshots and resetting the time-since-fsck manually if it succeeds |
| 20:42.00 | valdyn | greycat: for example fsck on a dirvish backup volume with millions of files will just be a nightmare and even be impossible in some circumstances |
| 20:42.18 | greycat | dark: it's MD RAID 1, a pair of SATA disks, made by a Debian installer (I forget which one) |
| 20:42.21 | jelly-home | valdyn: not very good for a _backup_ volume |
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| 20:42.29 | pthreat | question |
| 20:42.48 | valdyn | jelly-home: so call it "way back machine" whatever ;) |
| 20:42.53 | pthreat | I've downloaded debian for 32 bits is there anyway U can upgrade to x86_64 after installing the 32 bits version ? |
| 20:43.02 | jelly-home | valdyn: yeah, until it fails |
| 20:43.26 | jelly-home | pthreat: not really, reinstalling is the sensible option |
| 20:43.34 | joltcan | pthreat: I was looking at that as well, but reinstalling was the only way |
| 20:43.39 | jordanm | pthreat: no, but you can still use the amd64 kernel |
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| 20:44.41 | pthreat | well but a 64 bit kernel with 32 bits libs makes little or no sense |
| 20:44.50 | valdyn | pthreat: nonsense |
| 20:44.55 | greycat | Using the amd64 kernel on an i386 installation screws up some crappy software that uses uname -a output to determine whether you're on an i386 or amd64 system. |
| 20:45.32 | jelly-home | greycat: nothing like a little uname wrapper to fix that |
| 20:45.34 | pthreat | well then I'll download x86_64 |
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| 20:47.05 | jelly-home | pthreat: we call it amd64 just to mess with you |
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| 20:47.19 | greycat | !amd64 |
| 20:47.19 | dpkg | methinks amd64 is the Debian architecture optimized for x86-64, aka AMD64. Consider using Debian i386 on x86-64 machines if you do not have a good reason to use Debian amd64. The amd64 architecture also supports running i386 Debian with either a -686 or -amd64 kernel. core2duo machines are amd64. See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel on OFTC and freenode. See also <why amd64>. |
| 20:47.33 | mike77800 | I setup a md software raid-1 and yanked a drive out of the machine. the disk is now showing up in the raid as faulty spare. I cannot remove the spare because there is no device, and when I insert the disk it shows up unassicaited to the array. how do I remove the faulty spare? |
| 20:48.07 | pthreat | !why amd64 |
| 20:48.07 | dpkg | The Debian architecture that runs on 64-bit processors from AMD and Intel is called "amd64" because the architecture was first developed by AMD. AMD64 is variously known as x86-64, x64, IA-32e, EM64T, EMT64 and Intel 64 (most of which are the Intel marketing people changing their mind). See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X86-64. |
| 20:48.12 | valdyn | mike77800: why cant you remove it? |
| 20:48.13 | jelly-home | mike77800: is that device still present in /sys/block ? |
| 20:48.35 | mike77800 | jelly-home: yes |
| 20:48.37 | pthreat | but what about the libraries thats my question |
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| 20:48.54 | pthreat | I guess for instance glibc should be compiled for 64 bits ? |
| 20:48.58 | jelly-home | mike77800: can you mdadm --fail ... it? |
| 20:49.04 | greycat | Hah. I expected the "why amd64" factoid to discuss why someone would (or would not) want to INSTALL the amd64 version vs the i386 version, not reasons for the nomenclature.... |
| 20:49.21 | pthreat | greycat: agreed |
| 20:49.31 | valdyn | pthreat: its all or nothing what libraries + programs is concerned, every 32-bit program needs a complete 32-bit stack, every 64-bit program needs a complete 64-bit stack |
| 20:49.52 | jelly-home | pthreat: and debian doesn't have a proper way to mix them, yet |
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| 20:50.21 | mike77800 | jelly, for whatever reason it will not let me remove it. I have recreated the scenario a few times with other disks. and it is the same outcome each time. |
| 20:50.31 | pthreat | oh ok so Im safer using 32 bits hence lots of applications will not work |
| 20:50.37 | pthreat | correct or wrong |
| 20:50.40 | valdyn | mike77800: how are you trying to remove it? |
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| 20:50.57 | jelly-home | pthreat: not lots, but some. We don't know what apps you're running |
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| 20:51.17 | jelly-home | pthreat: esp. third party, binary only apps |
| 20:51.22 | dark | pthreat, i'm using 32bits here, because i have only 2GB of ram memory. if you have more than 3GB then it's worth installing amd64 |
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| 20:51.47 | dark | there are some technical differences (eg. amd64 has more registers) but i doubt this actually matters |
| 20:51.50 | pthreat | dark: well thats easily fixable |
| 20:52.21 | dark | my mobo supports only 2GB (acer aspire one 532h) |
| 20:52.21 | pthreat | dark: you just recompile the kernel and tell it to accept more RAM I've done it before in this machine which has 3GB |
| 20:52.49 | topi` | can anyone help me with invoking gcc? I mean, I want to use the crosscompiler, but the 'as' gets invoked from /usr/bin and obviously it gets the wrong instruction set. |
| 20:52.50 | mike77800 | jelly-home: using mdadm |
| 20:52.50 | greycat | There are "bigmem" i386 kernels as well. |
| 20:53.16 | dark | greycat, some say they hurt performance |
| 20:53.20 | jelly-home | mike77800: pastebin the exact commands you ran, the output, and current state of /proc/mdstat |
| 20:53.36 | topi` | I'm invoking arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi-gcc (its on $PATH) but then the host as gets invoked. even though gcc has the correct prefix built-in (checked with -v) |
| 20:53.39 | dark | anyway the actual reason I'm using 32bits is that I installed from debootstrap, and the host system was 32bits.. |
| 20:53.40 | jelly-home | dark: did you notice it being hurt? |
| 20:53.50 | dark | jelly-home, never used it |
| 20:53.54 | greycat | 16:52 dark> my mobo supports only 2GB (acer aspire one 532h) |
| 20:54.00 | dark | never had more than 2GB anyway |
| 20:54.14 | jelly-home | dark: native 64bit perl hurts my performance much worse than -686-bigmem kernel |
| 20:54.20 | dark | hm o.o |
| 20:54.41 | dark | i'm compiling gentoo and it's also 32bits here, for the same reason: i don't want to reboot to a installer |
| 20:54.59 | jordanm | dark: gentoo can be converted IIRC |
| 20:55.03 | simonrvn | an installer |
| 20:55.16 | jelly-home | YMMV. Test your apps and draw conclusions for your own set of processes. |
| 20:55.23 | dark | simonrvn, thanks |
| 20:55.34 | jelly-home | sometimes, i386 is better, other times, amd64 is |
| 20:55.39 | dark | my english is really poor |
| 20:55.40 | simonrvn | np. h or a vowel takes 'an' |
| 20:55.59 | jelly-home | simonrvn: an home?? |
| 20:56.05 | jelly-home | nowai |
| 20:56.05 | greycat | Using "an" before a hard H sound is considered a bit pretentious in some places. |
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| 20:56.18 | simonrvn | technically yes, but there's stupid exceptions as usual |
| 20:56.18 | dark | yes, also some other things when the sound is not consonantal |
| 20:56.29 | badcloud | greycat: I think it's incorrect even ;) |
| 20:56.31 | dark | such as.. an SSD (i think) |
| 20:56.39 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 20:56.48 | jelly-home | simonrvn: sounds like a usability issue ;-) |
| 20:56.56 | badcloud | an 'h', a home |
| 20:57.20 | simonrvn | it gets crazy... :/ |
| 20:57.29 | greycat | It's about the pronunciation, not the spelling. |
| 20:57.31 | dark | my problem is where to use "on", where to use "in".. some verbs.. this stuff i err because i'm lazy (i think) |
| 20:57.32 | jelly-home | a topic for an^H^Hthe ##English channel |
| 20:57.42 | badcloud | jelly-home: hahaha |
| 20:57.51 | valdyn | mike77800: "mdadm /dev/md0 --remove detached", read the manpage |
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| 20:58.46 | jelly-home | mike77800: also, echo 1 >> /sys/block/sdX/device/delete before plugging it back, and the usual way to rescan the controller if it's not hotswap compliant |
| 20:58.50 | simonrvn | greycat: it's easier when you go by pronunciation yes |
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| 20:59.05 | greycat | Not just easier... that's the way the rules actually work. |
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| 20:59.39 | Dekkard | compared to the ubu*** installer how is the debian 5 installer? |
| 20:59.53 | jelly-home | so I have to remember a single rule, not an? hodgepodge of 'em |
| 20:59.54 | dark | Dekkard, not sure if ubuntu is really cursing |
| 21:00.03 | valdyn | Dekkard: less brown |
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| 21:00.10 | Dekkard | hehe.. just tryong not to ruffle feathers |
| 21:00.14 | jelly-home | Dekkard: antiquated |
| 21:00.24 | Dekkard | same old xconfig and all? |
| 21:00.30 | jelly-home | Dekkard: asks lots of questions |
| 21:00.30 | greycat | jelly-home: never fear. There will be more rules and exceptions for you to learn. |
| 21:00.43 | Dekkard | yes he do.. questions ease the pain later |
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| 21:00.51 | jelly-home | Dekkard: what is... your favorite colour? |
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| 21:00.57 | djura-san | im off. have a nice chat pepz :) |
| 21:01.08 | Dekkard | i dont have one.. maybe tyrell blue |
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| 21:01.36 | Dekkard | im lookin for something lighter than ubuntu is all.. |
| 21:01.43 | Dekkard | my hardware is antique |
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| 21:01.54 | dark | Dekkard, (I like debootstrap, and it installs a really minimal system) |
| 21:01.55 | simonrvn | greycat: ok |
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| 21:02.10 | jelly-home | Dekkard: xubuntu? Does lubuntu exist yet? :-) |
| 21:02.10 | mrfree | hi all |
| 21:02.21 | mrfree | I can't remove a package... http://pastebin.com/eyagU6ij |
| 21:02.23 | mrfree | any idea' |
| 21:02.25 | mrfree | ? |
| 21:02.29 | dark | Dekkard, you can use it from any existing system with internet connection (or livecd) |
| 21:02.45 | Dekkard | lxde variant..maybe.. i use that desktop.. but all the other stuff.. I have liek 203 processes.. |
| 21:02.45 | jelly-home | !any idea |
| 21:02.45 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a bag full of condoms, a little WD-40, and 42 three-legged oxen. And keep the KGB off my back for the next few minutes! |
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| 21:03.10 | jelly-home | mrfree: that machine doesn't look like Debian, you may be asking in the wrong channel |
| 21:03.30 | jelly-home | !localized errors |
| 21:03.30 | dpkg | Rather than hoping that we recognise what has gone wrong from the error messages in your native language, please provide any error messages in English. You can do this by setting your locale to an English one (e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. LANG=C apt-get -f install |
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| 21:03.48 | jelly-home | mrfree: follow that guide, and ask in the proper channel |
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| 21:04.20 | dark | hmm.. i think that with LANG=C he might as well ask here (but cat /etc/debian_version will help too) |
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| 21:04.47 | greycat | Looked like some issue with modules in a non-Debian kernel to me. |
| 21:04.48 | jelly-home | dark: not about Preparing to remove linux-backports-modules-alsa-2.6.31-20-generic... |
| 21:05.05 | Dekkard | anyway..thanks.. cheers. |
| 21:05.14 | jelly-home | that's an ubuntu 9.10 kernel version |
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| 21:05.39 | dark | ah.. he left |
| 21:05.47 | jelly-home | er, s/version/abi/ |
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| 21:12.06 | syntr0py | I have a closed-source apache module that depends on a libexpat.so.1. I already have another version of libexpat in /usr/lib. How can I install the one that comes with the other libexpat without overwriting the distro's one? |
| 21:12.22 | valdyn | syntr0py: use LD_PRELOAD |
| 21:13.18 | jelly-home | syntr0py: does the other version of libexpat have the same soname? |
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| 21:13.40 | syntr0py | jelly-home, yes, they're both libexpat.so.1 |
| 21:13.51 | syntr0py | valdyn, how do I use LD_PRELOAD? |
| 21:13.51 | jelly-home | then, what valdyn said |
| 21:14.17 | jelly-home | syntr0py: man ld.so |
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| 21:14.37 | syntr0py | okay, thanks jelly-home, valdyn! |
| 21:14.37 | valdyn | syntr0py: LD_PRELOAD=library.so runprogram makes runprogram link against library.so instead of /usr/lib/library.so |
| 21:14.42 | jelly-home | basically you just set it for the process in question |
| 21:14.53 | syntr0py | so easy! :) |
| 21:14.55 | syntr0py | thanks |
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| 21:15.09 | jelly-home | also often used, LD_LIBRARY_PATH |
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| 21:25.31 | rysiek|pl | yello |
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| 21:25.46 | rysiek|pl | any openldap ACL gurus around? :) |
| 21:25.58 | the_sniff | how do i check which raid array im using? i installed this server a LONG time ago. and syslog shows stuff about raid1/5/6 |
| 21:26.18 | rysiek|pl | trying to get eGroupWare+Thunderbird+KAddressBook use LDAP FOR ADDRESSBOOK BACKEND |
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| 21:26.29 | rysiek|pl | whoops, darn caps |
| 21:27.11 | rysiek|pl | anywhoo, if anybody knows of a way to get info on which *precisely* ACL rule kicks in and denies acces in a given occurence, do drop a line, kthx |
| 21:27.29 | rysiek|pl | for the curious: http://pastebin.com/03kzp4Ua <- ACLs |
| 21:28.14 | syntr0py | my apache module is missing some symbols, e.g. ap_send_fd or ap_hook_handler. How can I find out what libs I need to install? |
| 21:29.41 | webguy024 | there is a module that allows you to have multiple command sessions open - what is the name of this module? [insert jeopardy theme] |
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| 21:30.22 | ||cw | webguy024: a module for what |
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| 21:31.45 | syntr0py | webguy024, do you mean "screen"? |
| 21:31.48 | webguy024 | yeah I am not explaining it correctly because I don't know what I am talking about. So I don't have to close a document that I am editing to open a new bash line or command line or whatever it is called. |
| 21:32.02 | webguy024 | what is it called btw? |
| 21:32.05 | rysiek|pl | screen |
| 21:32.23 | rysiek|pl | it's called "a shell" |
| 21:32.26 | ponyofdeath | hi guys what is the proper way to disable network config during an preseed using cdrom install? |
| 21:32.28 | webguy024 | thats the word |
| 21:32.28 | Bushmills | webguy024: tmux |
| 21:32.34 | rysiek|pl | and the cli tool you are looking for is called "screen |
| 21:32.50 | webguy024 | heh thats ironic |
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| 21:33.07 | webguy024 | thx |
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| 21:33.20 | syntr0py | with ctrl+a+d you make it disappear, with screen -r you get it back |
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| 21:34.34 | webguy024 | ahh its a terminal multiplexor.. should have known :) |
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| 21:36.45 | ice799 | Hi. I am using Debian Lenny on amd64. Is there someway I can set a global MAILTO that takes affect for all scripts under cron.d or do I need to set it manually in each one? |
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| 21:39.09 | Bushmills | ice799: have it in /etc/crontab |
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| 21:42.45 | ice799 | Bushmills: Oh, OK. Wait that takes affect for everything in cron.d, too? |
| 21:42.53 | ice799 | I thought that was only for the things in cron.hourly, etc. |
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| 21:43.57 | Bushmills | i am pretty confident that it does affect cron.d too. at least my MAILTO="" is effective |
| 21:44.02 | ice799 | oh ok |
| 21:44.03 | ice799 | thanks |
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| 21:45.00 | ||cw | i'm guessing this is to keep the emails from going to local root? what's the drawback of alias'ing root to a real account in your MTA? |
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| 21:45.16 | ||cw | seems like a better blanket solution to me |
| 21:45.36 | ||cw | since that would also cover stuff that isn't using cron |
| 21:45.53 | ice799 | ||cw: yeah that is probably a better idea. |
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| 21:47.41 | pyrophelia | how do I determine drive names from ATA numbers in the syslog? |
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| 21:49.17 | jordanm | pyrophelia: you mean... like their ext labels? |
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| 21:49.56 | pyrophelia | jordanm, from my syslog: ata9.04: failed to IDENTIFY (I/O error, err_mask=0x11) |
| 21:50.03 | pyrophelia | how do I know which disk that is so I can run a smart test on it |
| 21:50.15 | ||cw | pyrophelia: maybe in /dev/disk/by-* |
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| 21:51.16 | pyrophelia | ||cw: i looked there, but I didn't see anything that would correlate. I'll look again |
| 21:51.21 | ||cw | well, you are only going to be able to run a smart test if it actually got a device file, which for an error like that you probably don't |
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| 21:51.43 | ||cw | does BIOS see all the drives? |
| 21:51.55 | pyrophelia | ||cw, I do, the power flickered here and the jobs acted up |
| 21:51.58 | ||cw | does booting off the hdd vendors disk testing tool? |
| 21:52.04 | pyrophelia | yea it's fine, it was just a power flicker |
| 21:52.13 | pyrophelia | my raid is still in tact |
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| 21:52.46 | ||cw | so you have all the /dev/sd# you expect? |
| 21:52.50 | pyrophelia | yeap |
| 21:52.54 | ||cw | or is it an hd# |
| 21:53.11 | ||cw | cat /proc/scsi/scsi and see if you can make sense of it there |
| 21:53.35 | ||cw | the ata9 I think might be host: scsi9 |
| 21:54.35 | pyrophelia | s/jobs/jbod |
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| 21:55.29 | ||cw | actually, ata# is 1 based, scsi is 0 based, so ata9 is scsi8 |
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| 21:55.41 | ||cw | not sure about hte .04, mine are all .00 |
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| 21:56.03 | pyrophelia | that's because they plug into sata replicators so each host has 5 disks |
| 21:56.11 | pyrophelia | 0 _> 4 |
| 21:56.23 | ||cw | there you go, then |
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| 21:57.46 | ||cw | actually after poking at it, I have a better way |
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| 21:57.58 | pyrophelia | well I found scsi 8, but....it doesn't really tell me the dev path for the disk |
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| 21:58.26 | ||cw | in the dmesg batch of ata9.04 lines, look for the one with the drive model and serial number in it |
| 21:58.48 | ||cw | then ls -l /dev/disk/by-id/ |
| 21:59.10 | ||cw | it will show the same model and serial as a symlink to the sd# |
| 21:59.26 | pyrophelia | yeap that worked thanks |
| 21:59.53 | ||cw | oh /dev/disk/by-path/ can relate it from the proc/scsi/scsi file |
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| 22:00.09 | pyrophelia | how? |
| 22:00.26 | ||cw | I have pci-0000:00:1f.2-scsi-1:0:0:0 -> ../../sdb |
| 22:00.46 | ||cw | that's scsi1 channel 0 id - lun 0 |
| 22:00.52 | ||cw | id 0^^ |
| 22:01.03 | pyrophelia | mine doens't really show up that way |
| 22:01.04 | pyrophelia | 1 sec |
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| 22:01.58 | pyrophelia | http://pastebin.com/VLWRv5kj |
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| 22:02.42 | ||cw | and /dev/disk/by-path/ ? |
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| 22:03.24 | pardavila | hello, I have a hp touchsmart tm2 with touchscreen running debian squeeze (2.6.32-3), how can i setup the touchscreen? (the touchscreen, NOT the touchpad!!! :) ) |
| 22:03.49 | pyrophelia | http://pastebin.com/2Qup3ymf |
| 22:03.51 | pardavila | i've taken a look on the internet, but neither wiki.debian.org, nor debianadministration.org had any article about that |
| 22:04.04 | nsadmin | if you touch it and it touches you back, it's set up! |
| 22:04.10 | e1z0 | lol |
| 22:04.45 | pyrophelia | ||cw, see what I mean? |
| 22:05.25 | nsadmin | pardavila, I guess you need a driver for it... do you know the model and/or the chipset? |
| 22:05.39 | pyrophelia | dmesg got it for me though |
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| 22:06.40 | pardavila | no, the problem is that I do not know how to begin... i look at lspci but i cannot find any device; still looking through lshw's output... |
| 22:06.52 | pyrophelia | ||cw, it's mostly the chipset i'm using, it doesn't have the greatest drivers but it offers the highest density for jbods. |
| 22:07.09 | ||cw | interesting |
| 22:07.10 | pyrophelia | 45 disks in a single 4u |
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| 22:07.31 | pyrophelia | 46 if you count the boot drive |
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| 22:08.01 | ||cw | ok then, by id is the better way |
| 22:08.07 | pyrophelia | yeap, thanks :) |
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| 22:19.06 | wad | Is is possible to set up a linux machine to listen to a stream of text that another machine is sending out on the broadcast IP (192.168.1.255)? |
| 22:20.07 | wad | Trying this stuff with netcat, and when using x.x.x.255 the listening machine doesn't see any traffic. |
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| 22:21.19 | ||cw | wad: udp? |
| 22:21.36 | brainsik | A question about interface aliases: I always thought aliases needed to be numerical and between 0 and 255. However, i just discovered that it seems I can name aliases like â ifconfig eth0:test 10.1.2.3.4 â without any problem. Is there any reason I shouldn't do that? |
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| 22:22.31 | ||cw | wad: better way would be to setup wireshark, filter on the source server's ip, and maybe use your switch to set your system as a monitor port for the source's port |
| 22:22.31 | wad | ||cw, yes |
| 22:22.49 | ||cw | or tcpdump, if it's cli only |
| 22:23.17 | wad | ||cw, actually, for this application, I want a plain old broadcast of the stream of text, from the source machine, to all the other machines on the LAN. |
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| 22:23.37 | wad | (Doing a bunch of different filters on a huge pipe of incoming data.) |
| 22:23.38 | ||cw | glitches |
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| 22:23.46 | ||cw | that is such a bad idea.... |
| 22:24.16 | ||cw | oh for testing a flood or something? |
| 22:24.39 | \amethyst | a broadcast should take less bandwidth than sending the same data over multiple connections |
| 22:24.45 | ||cw | well, bcast is going to have to be UDP, and you need make sure hte listeners are using UDP, netcat used to have issues with udp |
| 22:25.07 | ||cw | \amethyst: yeah but it's still going to flood the switch's backplane copying to all ports |
| 22:25.25 | ||cw | anyway... gotta run |
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| 22:26.04 | nostmith | i've put my questions in http://paste.debian.net/plainh/a9df0f9f to not flood the channel. anyone willing to give it a look? |
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| 22:27.36 | jordanm | nostmith: lshw or dmidecode might give you more info on which cpu you have _exactly_ |
| 22:27.38 | wad | Not a flood test, taking a fat stream of incoming text, and splitting it out to multiple other boxen to filter it. |
| 22:28.30 | jordanm | maybe you want SNMP or some kind of multicast protocol. what are the streams of text? what is this "filtering" doing? |
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| 22:31.57 | wad | jordanm, I'm on this same conversation in ##networking. :) |
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| 22:34.29 | Tramp | brainsik: yes, the thing after the ":" is random (but at most 8 chars, iirc) - and you should not use aliased interfaces at all. They are deprecated |
| 22:35.06 | brainsik | Tramp: deprecated!? wow, no docs said anything about that. What is the preferred mechanism? |
| 22:35.24 | Tramp | brainsik: just adding IPs to an interface with "ip addr add" |
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| 22:35.49 | nsadmin | what's an aliased interface? like eth0:0? |
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| 22:36.19 | nsadmin | so if you add the IP and you want to treat it separately in /etc/network/interfaces, how do you do that? |
| 22:36.22 | Tramp | yep |
| 22:36.59 | Tramp | nsadmin: what do you mean by "treat it seperately"? |
| 22:37.04 | nsadmin | like right now, you could set it up and then say ifup eth0:0 |
| 22:37.43 | brainsik | Tramp: wow, that actually makes what i'm doing a lot easier. |
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| 22:38.10 | Tramp | nsadmin: oh, that's a problem, because Debian is still using this deprecated stuff all over the place |
| 22:38.34 | Tramp | like hardwiring "ifconfig" in ifup/ifdown |
| 22:38.36 | Dantix | hi all, I need to use a crafted kernel to get my edubook working. I've installed a regular 2.6.31-14-generic kernel and the edubook boots fine. When I changed by the kernel I need, it fails saying: mount: mount point /sys/kernel/security does not exist ... Obviously this kernel lacks of something the regular one have and provides the securityfs. Are there a way to avoid this error without chnge the kernel back? |
| 22:39.51 | nsadmin | Tramp: well there are probably reasons for that which relate to changing everything over including the d-i |
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| 22:40.31 | brainsik | Tramp: maybe you can answer this question. Really, the only reason I'm added these extra IPs is to get the interface to answer ARP queries. I have an internal network (behind libvirt) that I am routing packets to via PREROUTING nat mangling. Really, I'd like to forward the ARP requests to the internal machine to answer instead of bringing up the IPs on the host interface. This is all happening on bridge devices, so it seems like it sho |
| 22:40.31 | brainsik | possible. |
| 22:40.39 | nsadmin | Dantix: you're installing 2.6.31-14-generic on debian? |
| 22:40.49 | Tramp | nsadmin: if have no doubts there are good reasons :) - as I like to say: "ifconfig happily celebrating 10 years of deprecation" |
| 22:41.10 | Dantix | nsadmin: really, it's from ubuntu |
| 22:42.13 | nsadmin | ahh, and are you installing that kernel on a debian (in which case we may ask why and/or have other suggestions) or on ubuntu (in which case I'll offer #ubuntu as a better/closer source of info) |
| 22:42.20 | Tramp | brainsik: well. if it's bridged, it should work - but I'm not really familiar with all this virtualization stuff |
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| 22:43.05 | Tramp | brainsik: but if it's bridged, you don't do NAT - so I'm not really clear about your setup |
| 22:43.14 | Tramp | (IP NAT, that is) |
| 22:43.50 | nsadmin | hmm. if it's zen, the bridge is set up via existing non-xen bridge tools |
| 22:44.02 | Tramp | brainsik: if, however, it's not bridged, you may want to google "proxy arp" |
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| 22:44.25 | brainsik | Tramp: well, there's two bridges. which is the problem. The physical device is a bridge (br0) and then there is a virtual bridge (virbr0) which all the VM nics are connected to. I've been having problems get the packets to go from br0 -> virbr0. |
| 22:44.38 | Dantix | nsadmin: I know, i know.. just trying to get more advices... thanks anyway |
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| 22:44.47 | Tramp | but adding the IPs to the external interface to get stuff routed there is usually fine as well |
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| 22:45.09 | Tramp | brainsik: yeah, well - as I said. This virtualization stuff is not my core-expertise. |
| 22:45.30 | brainsik | i'll look into the proxy arp stuff |
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| 22:46.43 | Tramp | maybe adding the virbr0 to the br0? but I'm treading water here |
| 22:46.45 | nsadmin | Dantix: some things are similar, some are really different... and some things that we don't look closer into could turn out to be very different once we do look closer |
| 22:47.10 | nsadmin | those uncertanties make it harder to support |
| 22:47.21 | nostmith | jordanm, here's the output of dmidecode related to the cpu. http://paste.debian.net/plainh/f23ffe1a except the ID line there is nothing that can be used to identify the cpu exact model. how can I use that info? |
| 22:48.23 | Dantix | nsadmin: thanks |
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| 22:49.03 | brainsik | Tramp: thanks for the tip on using ip addr instead of aliases |
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| 22:49.12 | Tramp | yw |
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| 22:55.52 | BenBE2 | I'm the upstream package maintainer of php-geshi, asked on the pkg-mediawiki-devel mailinglist (the guys responsible for the packaging at Debian) for a new version to be packaged; mailed on of the devs directly, no response ... For about 2 weeks now. Last packaged release in Debian is >8 months. What should I do to get a new packaged version downstream? |
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| 22:58.00 | jhutchins_lt | BenBE2: If you don't get a response here, you might try in #debian-offtopic, and you might try again tomorrow earlier in the day. |
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| 22:58.20 | jhutchins_lt | BenBE2: Our Euro-friends are winding down for the day now, they're more likely to know. |
| 22:58.36 | BenBE2 | k. |
| 22:59.03 | BenBE2 | But shouldn't package maintainser be more responsive to their upstream authors? |
| 22:59.13 | BenBE2 | just wonders about that ... |
| 22:59.16 | themill | ideally, yes. |
| 23:00.44 | BenBE2 | Well, I know, I'm not always packing up things right away, but usually monitoring the Source falls within the task of package maintainers too (e.g. to know about security fixes upstream). |
| 23:01.01 | BenBE2 | Well, I'll try again later ... |
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| 23:08.13 | luis__ | Hi folks,No sound on login. How to fix it? |
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| 23:10.38 | themill | BenBE2: ok, so the first proactive step you can take is to file a wishlist bug against the package to have it upgraded. If you're using debian yourself, then "/msg dpkg reportbug" and use reportbug to do this; otherwise "/msg dpkg bts" and follow the instructions to send an appropriate email to do so. Following that, you can also have a go at updating the package yourself to help the maintainers out. "/msg dpkg uupdate" for a place to start. |
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| 23:11.26 | ypnos | hi |
| 23:11.33 | ypnos | I have a problem with e1000e driver |
| 23:11.33 | BenBE2 | k, thx. |
| 23:11.34 | themill | BenBE2: To actually get it uploaded, you'd need assistance from a DD, but even just providing the information required for the update as a patch to the bug report will help the maintainer anyway. |
| 23:11.45 | ypnos | the problem is fixed upstream but not in current debian kernel 2.6.31 |
| 23:11.52 | ypnos | I would like to replace with upstream driver module |
| 23:11.56 | BenBE2 | No Debian here ATM, but will file a wishlist bug ASAP |
| 23:12.03 | ypnos | however, the driver seems NOT to be built as a module in debian kernel |
| 23:12.13 | BenBE2 | How to proceed with incorrect information in the BTS? |
| 23:12.25 | ypnos | how to resolve the situation, e.g. replace old e1000e driver in the kernel with new module? |
| 23:12.28 | luis__ | . |
| 23:13.04 | BenBE2 | ypnos Kernel Modules need to be build for the kernel they should be used in. |
| 23:13.31 | ypnos | the module builds fine |
| 23:13.46 | ypnos | the problem is that the debian kernel has the functionality built-in NOT as a module |
| 23:13.55 | ypnos | so I cannot load the module it says it is already there |
| 23:13.59 | ypnos | but I can also not unload it |
| 23:14.21 | BenBE2 | Then you need to rebuild the kernel from source reconfiguring it to use this driver as a module. |
| 23:14.41 | ypnos | great |
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| 23:14.50 | ypnos | what is the most straightforward "debian" way to do this |
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| 23:15.00 | BenBE2 | It's not THAT hard ;-) |
| 23:15.15 | flaccid | is it possible for dpkg to install a package via a http url or must i wget first ? |
| 23:15.27 | BenBE2 | Use apt-src to manage the source packages for the kernel; change the config there and apt-src build it ;-) |
| 23:15.29 | themill | flaccid: we have aptitude for that already. |
| 23:15.43 | flaccid | themill: doesn't that work only with repositories? |
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| 23:16.02 | ypnos | yeah I'll follow debian kernel handbook |
| 23:16.04 | themill | flaccid: for a very good reason, yes. |
| 23:16.10 | themill | !wayttd flaccid |
| 23:16.10 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, flaccid? |
| 23:16.14 | \amethyst | you could always do nl=$'\n' |
| 23:16.15 | flaccid | themill: yes, this package is not in a repository |
| 23:16.16 | \amethyst | doh |
| 23:16.21 | luis__ | I have sound on playing movie, music mp3 files but no sound effect such as login/logout/alert etc. How to fix it? |
| 23:16.27 | flaccid | err install a package |
| 23:16.54 | neoice | is there a good tool for generating liveCDs with a custom kernel? live-helper in the repos is mostly based on debootstrap and doing it by hand looks like a long process |
| 23:16.54 | beardy | luis__: Are you sure there should even be one? Check the configuration of your display manager. |
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| 23:19.45 | BenBE2 | themill Well, the update would just be remove old files from package source, place updated release files in ... No patches present (on the Debian side AFAIK) |
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| 23:20.17 | ypnos | how to find out which repository a installed package is coming from? |
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| 23:20.43 | themill | BenBE2: no Debian bugs closed? no changes to your Makefiles or file locations? |
| 23:22.28 | luis__ | <beardy> from the beginning after installation, never had a sound, I mind, login sound. in the sound's preferences window, all seems to beok |
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| 23:23.20 | BenBE2 | Well, only one bug that was reported upstream and fixed there (about 3 releases ago). Some new files, but the Debian control files specify a wildcard there, thus no change needed. |
| 23:23.24 | jhutchins_lt | SHould I be able to play Apple iTunes trailers with mplayerplug-in? |
| 23:23.38 | jhutchins_lt | Do I need a special codec or something? |
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| 23:24.03 | LetoPoole | luis__: Im not on debian now, but i recall something like freedesktop-sounds package |
| 23:24.16 | LetoPoole | at least on gnome |
| 23:24.54 | luis__ | <LetoPoole>ok thanks, letme see what's about [_}P |
| 23:24.54 | LetoPoole | the ones providing those sounds |
| 23:25.17 | luis__ | <LetoPoole> thanks budy |
| 23:25.42 | LetoPoole | you're welcome |
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| 23:26.26 | ypnos | I installed new kernel package on debian. grub config is not updated. why? do I have to do manually? |
| 23:26.28 | BenBE2 | themill http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=579080 was fixed ages ago; and for the two issues mentioned in the DTS: both are resolved: the 1.0.7.14-1 bug has been provided a patch (Romain got that patch from me; applies cleanly for old version; I wonder way he didn't update it) and the other issue is false information as it only applies for one particular version (which is not... |
| 23:26.30 | BenBE2 | ...in the repositories anymore. |
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| 23:30.03 | flaccid | what is the correct mimetype for debian packages ? |
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| 23:30.20 | BenBE2 | themill Further reading: http://blog.benny-baumann.de/?p=42 and http://blog.benny-baumann.de/?p=22 |
| 23:30.40 | BenBE2 | flaccid application/octet-stream I'd guess ^^ |
| 23:31.06 | flaccid | hmm i thought there was an actual specific one |
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| 23:31.25 | BenBE2 | file yourfile.deb --> Should tell ya. |
| 23:32.42 | flaccid | BenBE2: only returns Debian binary package (format 2.0) |
| 23:32.51 | CaT[t2] | flaccid: file --help |
| 23:33.27 | flaccid | thanks, it does appear to be application/octet-stream |
| 23:33.38 | CaT[t2] | not on my box |
| 23:33.48 | flaccid | what is it for you? |
| 23:33.54 | CaT[t2] | /var/cache/apt/archives/libdns22_1%3a9.3.4-2etch6_i386.deb: application/x-debian-package |
| 23:34.01 | CaT[t2] | do you have ii mime-support 3.44-1 MIME files 'mime.types' & 'mailcap', and sup |
| 23:34.02 | flaccid | right |
| 23:34.06 | flaccid | thats the one |
| 23:34.17 | flaccid | yes |
| 23:34.44 | CaT[t2] | and you still got octet-stream? |
| 23:35.04 | flaccid | yeah |
| 23:35.12 | CaT[t2] | what does this return? grep deb /etc/mime.types |
| 23:35.16 | flaccid | this is actually an ubuntu instance sorry |
| 23:35.22 | CaT[t2] | #ubuntu |
| 23:35.46 | flaccid | debian is more authoritive on my original question, who cares if ubuntu is non compliant.. |
| 23:35.54 | forced | indeed |
| 23:36.01 | CaT[t2] | if you're using ubuntu, you do :) |
| 23:36.11 | flaccid | i aint using ubuntu heh |
| 23:36.13 | flaccid | fooook that |
| 23:36.15 | flaccid | :) |
| 23:36.16 | CaT[t2] | ok :) |
| 23:36.17 | forced | lol |
| 23:36.39 | CaT[t2] | still, something's whacky on your box wrt mime types I think |
| 23:38.59 | prince_jammys | debian squeeze says octet-stream |
| 23:39.23 | prince_jammys | s/^/my / |
| 23:39.29 | CaT[t2] | hrm. my squeeze box is not on. this is from lenny |
| 23:39.34 | flaccid | yep its interesting. in my case, either is better than text/plain :) |
| 23:39.42 | CaT[t2] | point :) |
| 23:40.04 | CaT[t2] | wonders if it's worth putting up a kvm instance for this :) |
| 23:40.11 | prince_jammys | but in /etc/mime.types: application/x-debian-package deb udeb |
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| 23:40.42 | nsadmin | that's what mine says too (deb udeb) |
| 23:41.42 | nsadmin | does kvm work by booting a guest kernel for each guest? |
| 23:42.08 | CaT[t2] | um. yes. |
| 23:42.56 | CaT[t2] | ah. my bad. file has its own mime types list |
| 23:42.58 | nsadmin | hmm. so perhaps I could try to boot a former xen guest |
| 23:43.27 | CaT[t2] | might need to convert the storage (maybe) but otherwise it should work so long as your kernel is generic enough. |
| 23:43.54 | nsadmin | the storage is already partitions (it used to be a standalone for another box) |
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| 23:44.13 | nsadmin | partitions and lvm lvs |
| 23:44.48 | zebradog_ | !sid |
| 23:44.48 | dpkg | sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. Sid is the destructive kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in; sid is not supported in #debian because sid users should be able to solve their own problems. Sid will never be released. See also <sid faq> <unstable>. |
| 23:44.51 | nsadmin | it's still probably etch |
| 23:45.03 | zebradog_ | Tramp, go back to school kid |
| 23:45.27 | Tramp | zebradog_: stop that nonsense please |
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| 23:46.44 | nsadmin | zebradog_: are we trying to show everyone how smart we are? |
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| 23:55.28 | MangueBoy | how mach space should I give to the partition containing system files ("/") for debian 5 installation? |
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| 23:56.52 | Tramp | MangueBoy: what other partitions/filesystems do you create (i.e. what do you put elsewhere)? |
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| 23:57.21 | MangueBoy | Tramp, just 2 partitions: / and /home |
| 23:58.11 | Tramp | MangueBoy: well, my /, /usr and /var have about 8GB (which each partition being about twice the needed size) |
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| 23:59.17 | Tramp | MangueBoy: so unless you install huge amounts of software or have huge logs, about 12-16 GB should be sufficient (I have use about 24) |
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