| 00:00.01 | nsadmin | and in practice much less than that (when you don't include data) |
| 00:00.12 | infid | when using rsync to do backups, should i still create a tarball before rsyncing it to improve network performance, or is the delta transfering stuff rsync does generally fast enough for data transfers? |
| 00:00.56 | MangueBoy | Tramp, the heavy software i use are some games trough wine, that is in my /home folder |
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| 00:01.33 | MangueBoy | Tramp, think i'm gonna leave 10gb for the "/" partition, don't have logs either |
| 00:01.50 | Tramp | MangueBoy: hmm. I space such a concern for you? |
| 00:02.10 | MangueBoy | Tramp, no, I think it's too much |
| 00:02.17 | MangueBoy | 10gb |
| 00:02.35 | MangueBoy | Tramp, cause in ubuntu I got just 3gb used |
| 00:02.59 | nsadmin | normally it is... but if /usr and /var and /tmp are going to be in / too, maybe you could use that much |
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| 00:03.30 | nsadmin | can xfs do shrink yet? |
| 00:03.53 | Tramp | MangueBoy: well I'd rather use 16 and be safe than use 10 and later be sorry - well, moving /var to a different partition later would be possible, but with the price of HD space, it's really a no-issue imo. |
| 00:06.07 | Tramp | nsadmin: not afaik |
| 00:06.09 | MangueBoy | Tramp, but man, my ubuntu uses just 3gb. don 't u think 16gb is too much for debian. Or /usr and /var sometimes grow all this size? |
| 00:07.09 | MangueBoy | I don 't think so |
| 00:07.09 | nsadmin | what were they thinking :P I switched away from xfs because it can't shrink |
| 00:07.10 | Tramp | no. But later you may try to want run openoffice or whatever. - 1GB is like ... 10cents? |
| 00:07.32 | nsadmin | MangueBoy, would you consider lvm? (and shrinkable filesystems) |
| 00:07.36 | Tramp | so 16 instead of 10G would be a 60cent investement .... that's less than this whole conversation costs |
| 00:08.00 | MangueBoy | HAHA |
| 00:08.11 | nsadmin | a LOT less when you consider consulting rates |
| 00:08.26 | CaT[t2] | hehs and uses 256M for / :) |
| 00:08.27 | Tramp | I'm considering my usual rates ... |
| 00:08.47 | MangueBoy | tnx guys |
| 00:09.19 | nsadmin | if you consider this pretty often, you could look into lvm before you get started |
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| 00:09.58 | nsadmin | if you make that decision now you won't have to later |
| 00:10.12 | pipeline | it's not a decision |
| 00:10.16 | pipeline | you should always always always use lvm |
| 00:10.24 | pipeline | if you never think you'll use it, still use lvm. Just in case. Costs nothing. |
| 00:10.41 | pipeline | in an age when you had to pay for vxfs licenses to get lvm, it made sense to use crude schemes. But that age is passed. We have sistina lvm. |
| 00:10.56 | nsadmin | well costs nothing now, later costs time to learn it |
| 00:10.57 | MangueBoy | im gonna run debian live não |
| 00:11.18 | MangueBoy | now |
| 00:11.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, it's one more layer... |
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| 00:14.44 | Tramp | It's like those "do I have to make a swap partition" discussions with people having two 2TB drives |
| 00:14.44 | dotCOMmie | does anyone use zabbix here? It looks like the start order on boot is wrong. |
| 00:14.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
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| 00:15.34 | Tramp | the discussions costs more electricity than the price for a 8gig swap |
| 00:15.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's also a bit like those "I have this pentium computer with 4MB of RAM" discussions |
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| 00:16.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | ok, if you go and _buy_ a pentium, it's probably still in the 50-100 bucks range, but then lots of people just throw them away |
| 00:17.56 | Tramp | well, and it's not easy to upgrade the RAM, I suppose. I checked what a gig would cost for my 4 year old box, and it's /really/ expensive |
| 00:18.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | but the cheapest modernish computers start around what... $200? |
| 00:19.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | hard to say... nobody wants to sell the cheap ones |
| 00:19.43 | tuv | a disk volume (lvm lv on raid10) created using parted does not get a uuid, while two others do (raid1 and swap lvm lv on the same raid10 as the first). which tool is at fault? |
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| 00:20.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | pipeline to the rescue |
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| 00:22.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, here... ebay "buy it now" 2.4 GHZ desktop with 512MB ram for 80 bucks... â admittedly the ratio between hardware value and discussion value is probably not as uneven as with the diskspace... although they often spend days/weeks getting much worse machines to run |
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| 00:22.20 | Intensity | I'm wondering if there's a way to bypass the "Select a language" dialog box. I'm attempting to install Debian GNU/kFreeBSD. There seems to be an endless cycle that prevents the install from even beginning. |
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| 00:23.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | I guess... |
| 00:23.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | !preseeding |
| 00:23.08 | dpkg | [preseed] Preseeding provides a way to set answers to questions asked during the Debian installation process, to allow for a streamlined or completely automated installation. The <install guide> provides an extensive appendix on preseeding with a full example. See also http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed and http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/394 |
| 00:23.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | is your friend |
| 00:23.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | but that sounds like a bug, no idea if that would circumvent it... |
| 00:24.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | did you check the bts? ... let me try to look up what that's probably filed against |
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| 00:25.34 | Intensity | CutMeOwnThroat: Thanks for the suggestion. When I brought it up a week ago on #debian-kbsd, someone said they had seen this before on the mailing lists, but I tried searching for this bug either through Debian bug tracking or on the Debian-BSD mailing list and couldn't find anything. |
| 00:25.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | !installation report |
| 00:25.37 | dpkg | somebody said installation report was http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/ch05s03.html#submit-bug |
| 00:25.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, can't see it in that URL, though |
| 00:26.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | weird, that section doesn't seem to talk about installation reports |
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| 00:27.21 | dotCOMmie | is there a good document for the dependency based boot system? |
| 00:27.23 | Intensity | CutMeOwnThroat: Hmm. What if I choose a front end of text? If I had access to a shell I would try to work around the problem, but really this issue means that I don't ever get past the initial dialog box. I don't know why others haven't encountered it. |
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| 00:27.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | Intensity, oh, but you do get to that menu... did you try switching to another console? |
| 00:27.53 | aretheysion | Intensity: not sure about this install, still you may be able to choose to not select 'default install' |
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| 00:28.22 | Intensity | CutMeOwnThroat: I don't know that switching to another console is supported as this is running on a FreeBSD kernel. |
| 00:28.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | did you try? |
| 00:28.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | I don't see why that should be different with a bsd kernel |
| 00:28.45 | Intensity | aretheysion: I don't really get that far. The *only* thing I ever am asked about is the language. |
| 00:28.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | of course, it could be :)... but there's no clear reason why it should |
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| 00:29.14 | Intensity | CutMeOwnThroat: Yes I did try, and FreeBSD does inherently support more than one tty, but that depends on whether this is activated or enabled in this instance. |
| 00:30.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | Intensity, http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/ch05s04.html - section 5.4.6. - seems installation reports are filed against the package "installation-reports" - did you look at that in the BTS? |
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| 00:31.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | mmmm, bugs.debian.org takes bloody ages to load |
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| 00:32.06 | Intensity | CutMeOwnThroat: No, let me check that now. I wasn't too good at doing a search for bugs before. I'll focus on the package intallation-reports to see what I find. |
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| 00:32.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | seems it's for all architectures |
| 00:33.42 | Intensity | CutMeOwnThroat: I think I only found one bug with "BSD" in the subject. |
| 00:33.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | it might not be limited to that, though |
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| 00:34.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | Intensity, that sounds like it: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=283967 |
| 00:34.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | totally different arch :) |
| 00:34.45 | Intensity | CutMeOwnThroat: That's true. I'm wondering if there's a simple workaround. Potentially I can use boot parameters to preseed questions, provided that this will work in the FreeBSD kernel just as it does for Linux. |
| 00:34.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | try the workaround given there |
| 00:35.36 | Intensity | CutMeOwnThroat: Interesting. Thanks for the pointer. I'll give that a try. |
| 00:36.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | Intensity, there's at least one more ... search for "language" |
| 00:36.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=428530 |
| 00:36.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh... and I know this one |
| 00:36.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | someone in here had that problem on i386 |
| 00:36.42 | aretheysion | did not the 'installer team' work for every supported arch? |
| 00:36.54 | Intensity | CutMeOwnThroat: Hmm. But the first one you gave me was for 2004. :) |
| 00:37.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh... I didn't check... :) |
| 00:37.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | I should have - I saw bugs with etch in the bug title |
| 00:37.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | this is from 2007 though! |
| 00:37.57 | Intensity | CutMeOwnThroat: I need to see if the kernel/grub workarounds are respected, so that I can choose to be prompted less, or to specify C as the LANG(uage). |
| 00:38.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's also #503464 from 2008 :-P |
| 00:38.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | but that's it |
| 00:39.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | looks like that is a recurring problem, but rare enough and/or easy enough to work around or something... |
| 00:39.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's bugs for sarge in there! |
| 00:39.41 | Intensity | CutMeOwnThroat: Hmm. I've still not seen a description of an error that matches what I have encountered on kFreeBSD. |
| 00:40.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think it might be, because you're also encouraged to write installation reports on successful installs... hard to "close" these bugs? |
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| 00:41.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's probably why this bugs page is such a mess... |
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| 00:44.32 | durandal`1 | off the top of your head, anyone aware of oddities with php5's include_path in apache2? CLI can grab off the same include_path fine but apache cannot >: |
| 00:44.58 | HardDisk_WP | how do I remove all packages except the core ones and ssh? |
| 00:45.16 | dondelelcaro | HardDisk_WP: mark anything that you don't actually want as automatically installed |
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| 00:45.33 | dondelelcaro | HardDisk_WP: but you'll have to define what you mean by "core ones" |
| 00:45.47 | HardDisk_WP | dondelelcaro, the problem is i have (at my hoster) only full-preconfigured OS images |
| 00:45.56 | dondelelcaro | HardDisk_WP: that's fine... |
| 00:46.06 | HardDisk_WP | i want to get rid of all those packages and get a debian like it's out of the box |
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| 00:46.08 | dondelelcaro | HardDisk_WP: you can still mark any packages that you don't explicitely want as automatically installed |
| 00:46.23 | HardDisk_WP | yeah but then i have to go through 300 packages |
| 00:46.44 | HardDisk_WP | which i want to avoid ^^ |
| 00:47.49 | Intensity | I'm wondering how I might pass a boot parameter to the Debian GNU/kFreeBSD kernel via grub. I see options beginning "set kFreeBSD...", but that's not the same structure as the familiar way Linux accepts boot arguments. |
| 00:47.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, how do you think you can remove packages when you don't know which ones you want to keep |
| 00:47.59 | aretheysion | who knows about GNU/Linux...they may hear about `undotoo` or `feedorats`; Debian misses deep nonCommercial support; but then who'd care? (don't mess my words I'm not con Debian¿) |
| 00:48.45 | dondelelcaro | HardDisk_WP: you don't have to go through that many; you can mark them all as automatically installed, and remove any that you don't want, or you can do it by tasksel, or similar. |
| 00:48.57 | HardDisk_WP | tasksel. good idea |
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| 00:49.41 | HardDisk_WP | thanks, looks like what i need. |
| 00:49.45 | dondelelcaro | but honestly, it should take seconds; 300 packages is nothing |
| 00:49.48 | HardDisk_WP | if i only got it display properly |
| 00:50.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | you could call 'aptitude' and mark everyting as automatically installed except the stuff in 'base system' :-P |
| 00:50.11 | dondelelcaro | (if you're talking about linode, about the only thing they add to their images is apache) |
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| 00:50.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | that'd be slightly radical, though |
| 00:50.30 | HardDisk_WP | http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/8241/blubs.png |
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| 00:50.38 | HardDisk_WP | this is the ssh root session |
| 00:50.40 | HardDisk_WP | inside a screen |
| 00:50.41 | HardDisk_WP | on putty |
| 00:50.49 | HardDisk_WP | why is the display so messed up? :( |
| 00:51.02 | mike77800 | putty...gross |
| 00:51.11 | HardDisk_WP | heh, i'm on windows. |
| 00:51.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | umlauts |
| 00:51.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | windows... gross |
| 00:51.22 | HardDisk_WP | adobe stuff unfortunately doesnt run properly on wine. |
| 00:51.36 | dotCOMmie | After adding a dependency to the LSB field does anything need to be run to update LSB startup order? |
| 00:52.14 | HardDisk_WP | CutMeOwnThroat / mike77800: any idea of how to fix this except switching to linux? |
| 00:52.24 | HardDisk_WP | the point is, it displays fine w/o screen |
| 00:52.37 | HardDisk_WP | so something in the screen settings is misconfigured |
| 00:52.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | then don't use screen? |
| 00:52.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | and I said what I suspect: umlauts |
| 00:52.55 | HardDisk_WP | where? |
| 00:53.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | how should I know - that part is what's missing |
| 00:53.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | try "export LANG=C" before running tasksel |
| 00:53.42 | HardDisk_WP | works |
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| 00:54.55 | HardDisk_WP | CutMeOwnThroat, strangely aptitude doesnt have any umlaut problems oO |
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| 00:55.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, debug it, fix it, write a bug report and attach a patch :-P |
| 00:56.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | internationalization sucks anyways |
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| 00:56.23 | HardDisk_WP | i rather suspect its some encoding crap |
| 00:56.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | chinese or russian characters in urls \o/ |
| 00:56.29 | HardDisk_WP | maybe different termcap stuff |
| 00:57.07 | HardDisk_WP | CutMeOwnThroat, my favourite is this å in wikis... fuck spammers who place this in every place they can get |
| 00:57.23 | HardDisk_WP | had to shield off my entire wiki because of nazi spam bots |
| 00:57.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | å? looks like a dash and a point and a comma to me |
| 00:57.45 | HardDisk_WP | or those characters which look like normal ones but are instead unicode |
| 00:57.54 | HardDisk_WP | it's the Swastika |
| 00:57.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | not on my machine |
| 00:58.33 | HardDisk_WP | most interesting, in the irc logs of my bouncer viewed via putty it shows up as grey square, in the logs copied to webserver it displays ok |
| 00:58.44 | HardDisk_WP | encoding, i love it |
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| 00:59.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | looks like this: http://nw.ath.cx/~k/test.gif |
| 01:00.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | except in my xterms which can't display it :) |
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| 01:00.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | some day I'll have to go to utf-8 |
| 01:00.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | <-- dreading the day |
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| 01:02.08 | HardDisk_WP | irssi? |
| 01:02.10 | HardDisk_WP | omg i hate it |
| 01:02.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | my irc client is on utf-8, though, afaik |
| 01:02.17 | HardDisk_WP | great with 9 chans or less |
| 01:02.36 | HardDisk_WP | try to manage 60 channels and you get crazy ^^ |
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| 01:03.16 | Tau | ae. |
| 01:03.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | I don't think that's the client... that's the 60 channels :) |
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| 01:03.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | man wasn't made to multitask that way |
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| 01:03.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | (I don't know about women, though) |
| 01:04.21 | HardDisk_WP | xD |
| 01:04.33 | HardDisk_WP | CutMeOwnThroat, you come from germany, btw? |
| 01:04.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah... it's my accent giving me away, isn't it? |
| 01:05.06 | HardDisk_WP | Nope |
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| 01:05.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | let's go to #debian-offtopic or #wikipedia-de, though... we're offtopic here |
| 01:05.21 | HardDisk_WP | your irc client's realname |
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| 01:07.25 | tuv | a disk volume (lvm lv on raid10) created using parted does not get a uuid, while two others do (raid1 and swap lvm lv on the same raid10 as the first). which tool is at fault? |
| 01:08.44 | karlpinc | tuv: I suspect none. A regular (PC style) partition has no place for a uuid. The uuid for such a thing lives in the filesystem. Or that's what my tired brain is telling me at the moment. |
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| 01:11.10 | Tramp | well, for lvs it whould be in the lvm2-header, I think ... |
| 01:11.56 | Tramp | tuv: just to verify: "lvs -v" shows the LV but without an uuid? |
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| 01:13.30 | _sc | just tried to upgrade my sid box and now lighttpd is dead due to a network.c/ssl error, anyone have a fix? |
| 01:13.37 | MangueBoy | to install debian the cd1 is enough? |
| 01:14.06 | MangueBoy | take a few hours downloading debian live just to find out I can 't install it to HD |
| 01:14.17 | Tramp | _sc: you should check the Bug-Tracking system (bts). Sid is, in general, not supported here |
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| 01:14.31 | _sc | funny |
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| 01:14.42 | Tramp | yeah. I'm still laughing |
| 01:15.01 | MangueBoy | does the first debian cd is enough to install? |
| 01:17.40 | LtL | MangueBoy: yes CD1 is enough for a desktop install. |
| 01:17.57 | MangueBoy | LtL, thanks |
| 01:18.01 | Tramp | MangueBoy: The preferred installation-method is netinstall. Otherwise it's probably pointed out in the install guide |
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| 01:18.42 | MangueBoy | the first cd is nice for me |
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| 01:23.02 | MangueBoy | the debian live cd does not have a script to install it to HD and this sucks. |
| 01:23.37 | CaT[t2] | it is something we all live with. |
| 01:23.58 | MangueBoy | ? |
| 01:24.18 | nsadmin | just dl netinst and be happy :) |
| 01:24.27 | CaT[t2] | netinst++ |
| 01:24.33 | MangueBoy | reallly? |
| 01:24.41 | MangueBoy | why is it better? |
| 01:24.43 | nsadmin | or if you have cd 1, install from that |
| 01:24.43 | CaT[t2] | it's only 150 or so meg |
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| 01:24.59 | CaT[t2] | then you suck down what packages you need from the net. |
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| 01:25.18 | nsadmin | did you create partitions? |
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| 01:25.28 | CaT[t2] | installs everything with it. the i386/amd64 dual-boot is very handy |
| 01:25.31 | CaT[t2] | does. |
| 01:25.38 | Chaorain | Hi, I have a partition I need to mount to /var/lib/mythtv/ on boot every time. How would I go about this? |
| 01:25.42 | nsadmin | if you're running the live cd now, do this... |
| 01:25.45 | MangueBoy | nsadmin, it's already created |
| 01:25.51 | CaT[t2] | chaorin: add it to /etc/fstab |
| 01:26.12 | Chaorain | CaT[t2]: well thats simple |
| 01:26.14 | MangueBoy | nsadmin, but im going to resize them |
| 01:26.17 | CaT[t2] | chaorin: :) |
| 01:26.26 | nsadmin | MangueBoy: sorry what's already created? there's about three items in our conversational buffer |
| 01:26.44 | MangueBoy | nsadmin, lol conversational buffer |
| 01:26.57 | MangueBoy | nsadmin, my partitions |
| 01:27.13 | Tramp | Chaorain: /carefully/ edit /etc/fstab (make a copy first) |
| 01:27.23 | nsadmin | oh, you did... ok, so you have a /home now? |
| 01:27.24 | CaT[t2] | nsadmin: you going to lead him down the path of debootstrap? :) |
| 01:27.25 | Chaorain | Tramp: thanks |
| 01:27.32 | nsadmin | hell no :) |
| 01:27.44 | nsadmin | I have to leave like now :) |
| 01:27.53 | CaT[t2] | ok. wondering. cos that's a certain kind of madness :) |
| 01:27.56 | nsadmin | did you go with lvm? |
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| 01:29.15 | tuv | Tramp: figured it out. mkfs.extX bug: #583910 |
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| 01:29.25 | nsadmin | uyou're running the live cd now? |
| 01:29.49 | nsadmin | or, let's just go with "what do you want to do next" |
| 01:30.34 | Tramp | tuv: ah. so the uuid was indeed there |
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| 01:31.53 | nsadmin | maybe I can help you make a decision about how to do something; don't have time for anything else |
| 01:32.30 | nsadmin | maybe if you could say something about what you want to do with it |
| 01:32.57 | MangueBoy | nsadmin, r u talking to me? |
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| 01:33.02 | MangueBoy | hauehuea |
| 01:33.06 | MangueBoy | i'm fine |
| 01:33.15 | nsadmin | good enuf |
| 01:33.33 | MangueBoy | nsadmin, thanks anyway |
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| 01:33.53 | nsadmin | so now I need to find out what kind of hd I can put in a dell insprion 5150 |
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| 01:34.30 | wash | Why is aptitude telling me dpkg breaks emacs? |
| 01:34.55 | MangueBoy | but now i´m interested in netinstall |
| 01:34.56 | nsadmin | wash: is that a riddle? oh wait, you really want to know... |
| 01:35.36 | wash | I'm somewhat curious, yes. |
| 01:35.37 | nsadmin | wash: I can't help now except to say what you should tell people here and now... |
| 01:36.27 | nsadmin | debian version, you should pastebin your sources.list, and if you can pastebin the command you issued and its entire output that would be very helpful |
| 01:36.30 | tuv | Tramp: i don't think so. is it created with the filesystem, or the partition? |
| 01:36.53 | tuv | Tramp: blkid had not been able to read it at all |
| 01:36.59 | nsadmin | just throw that stuff out there, that will make it really easy for anyone to help |
| 01:37.00 | Tramp | with the lv, afaik. That's why I suggested "lvs -v" |
| 01:37.32 | JyZyXEL | if booting drops to BusyBox and you are able to fix the problem that caused it, can you somehow continue the boot sequence? |
| 01:37.43 | jake | Is there anyway to get zgrep (or zcat etc) to only look in first x number of lines of a file? |
| 01:37.53 | JyZyXEL | booting as in initramfs |
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| 01:40.44 | JyZyXEL | degraded raid-1 boot seems to drop to busybox |
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| 01:41.18 | aretheysion | jake: you silly, just check man page; you'd need head/tail. still, it not the right channel to ask about that kind of things |
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| 01:42.36 | jake | aretheysion: zcat works on gziped files, anyway I just got around issue with zmore and bit of manual labour, ta anyhow. |
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| 02:07.09 | tuv | Tramp: you're right. lvs -v does show a uuid |
| 02:08.02 | tuv | Tramp: so i guess the root of my problem is broken mkfs.extX, and the inability to read the uuid is just a side effect |
| 02:08.58 | Tramp | tuv: yes. apparently this libblkid (or what it's called), which certainly is also used by the blkid utility, is buggy |
| 02:09.01 | tuv | does that mean that the uuid is created at the time of creating the parition, not the filesystem? |
| 02:09.16 | Tramp | the LV |
| 02:09.50 | tuv | Tramp: actually, it's mkfs that complains about the version of libblkid1 |
| 02:10.19 | Tramp | well, so it's pretty obvious what the problem is |
| 02:11.40 | Tramp | pretty nasty Bug. So apparently you currently cannot make an ext*fs in Squeeze |
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| 02:12.07 | tuv | the weird thing is: both /boot (/dev/md0) and / (/dev/mapper/group-vol) are configured with the same options. blkid can read a uuid for /dev/md0, but not for the lv |
| 02:12.43 | tuv | Tramp: my workaround was to upgrade libblkid1 to sid. seems like it works well |
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| 02:13.44 | Tramp | well, that was not a bright idea |
| 02:14.22 | Tramp | did you just get the .deb or add sid-sources? |
| 02:14.23 | tuv | hmm.. actually, /boot filesystem is created! |
| 02:14.54 | tuv | Tramp: add sid source; aptitude update; aptitude install libblkid1/sid; remove sid source; aptitude update |
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| 02:15.15 | tuv | Tramp: i made sure nothing else is pulled down |
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| 02:16.08 | Tramp | hmm. what's the version of your libc6 now? |
| 02:16.58 | tuv | Tramp: what's your explanation for a created /boot (raid1) but failed / (lvm on raid10)? |
| 02:17.07 | beefcube | is there a way to unstage packages for upgrade? I've tried to upgrade from lenny to squeeze for the lenny net install, but the new udev depends on kernel, which depends on udev (that can't be installed) |
| 02:17.13 | \amethyst | Tramp: actually, the sid version of libblkid1 has looser libc requirements than the lenny version :) |
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| 02:17.32 | \amethyst | Tramp: the lenny version requires >= 2.7-1 while sid requires >= 2.4 |
| 02:17.38 | beefcube | following this exact guide: http://www.go2linux.org/how-to-upgrade-from-debian-lenny-to-squeeze |
| 02:17.48 | Tramp | \amethyst: but wouldn't it pull down the newer libc, if he has sid-sources? |
| 02:18.01 | beefcube | this fails with net install due to udev/kernel issue |
| 02:18.12 | \amethyst | Tramp: why would it? |
| 02:18.58 | Tramp | hmm. good question. |
| 02:19.04 | \amethyst | Tramp: unless you have aptitude set to auto-update |
| 02:19.24 | Tramp | tuv: no idea. Failed how? |
| 02:19.30 | \amethyst | err, auto-upgrade rather |
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| 02:20.21 | simonrvn | beefcube: kernel first, then udev. put udev on hold until you can install and boot to the new kernel |
| 02:21.13 | mike77800 | how would I go about renaming /dev/sdb to /dev/sdc? |
| 02:21.16 | tuv | Tramp: the same error in the bug report. i guess mkfs /boot failed too, but /boot was already formatted from a previous run |
| 02:22.35 | tuv | is there a tool that can download a .deb based on the package name and the archive (mirror) without having to edit sources.list? |
| 02:23.09 | dondelelcaro | tuv: no |
| 02:23.30 | dondelelcaro | tuv: well, you could do it if you had the packages file, but you need to know the version of the package too |
| 02:24.00 | dondelelcaro | (and if you have a Packages file which matches a mirror, you can use any mirror to get it, provided that you know the mirror path of that mirror) |
| 02:25.11 | Tramp | tuv: interesting. What does "strings /lib/libblkid.so.1 | grep BLKID_2" show? |
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| 02:33.48 | tuv | Tramp: squeeze: BLKID_2.15, sid: BLKID_2.15 BLKID_2.17 |
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| 02:35.49 | Tau | hey, no there is sound in my debian, it was working for some days ago but it stopped. i don't know how to fix it i tried for 1000 ways which are in the google. i really don't know what to do anymore. i guess maybe there is some packages whose versions are either older or newer than those that were installed firstly when i ran the system for the first time. please, i need to fix it tonight. |
| 02:36.56 | zebradog_ | Tau, if it was working, then it's workable.. |
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| 02:38.33 | Tau | zebradog_: yes, but i don't know what it can be happened to not work anymore. |
| 02:38.59 | zebradog_ | Tau, did u try /etc/init.d/alsautils reset 0? (normal user prompt) |
| 02:39.45 | Tau | zebradog_: hmm, no, i did, how can I do it ? i am sorry i don't know much about linux, i am new in it. |
| 02:39.54 | Tramp | tuv: I'm talking about the output from this system you're talking about |
| 02:40.47 | tuv | Tramp: this is a squeeze chroot. now it's got sid's libblkid1 package, and the latter is what it shows |
| 02:41.09 | zebradog_ | Tau, you can do it by typing it. |
| 02:41.22 | zebradog_ | Tau, open a terminal console window |
| 02:41.40 | Tau | zebradog_: yes, i opened, |
| 02:42.00 | Tau | zebradog_: so ? |
| 02:42.22 | Tau | zebradog_: sorry |
| 02:42.22 | zebradog_ | Tau, type that command, hit enter, then try to use sound |
| 02:42.30 | Tau | zebradog_: i will try, thank you. |
| 02:43.45 | Tau | hey, zebradog_ i got it http://codepad.org/4li2A40A |
| 02:44.36 | zebradog_ | Tau, dunno try deleting any .asoundrc files in your /home/userdir only |
| 02:45.06 | zebradog_ | Tau, then try that command agai |
| 02:45.28 | Tau | zebradog_: i will try |
| 02:46.18 | Tau | zebradog_: no there is .soundrc in my home. |
| 02:46.29 | Tau | .asoundrc* |
| 02:46.45 | zebradog_ | Tau, try lsmod |grep sound |
| 02:46.54 | zebradog_ | Tau, see if soundcore module is loaded |
| 02:47.35 | Tau | zebradog_: i will |
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| 02:48.16 | Tau | zebradog_: i got http://codepad.org/C23onZOV |
| 02:49.51 | zebradog_ | Tau, dunno try updating latest alsautils? |
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| 02:50.05 | zebradog_ | Tau, so you updated the kernel ? |
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| 02:50.22 | Tau | zebradog_: well, how can I update the kernel ? apt-get install i386 ? |
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| 02:51.04 | Tau | zebradog_: i was trying to read .rmvb when i got the sound stopped to work. |
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| 02:51.44 | Tau | zebradog_: i installed some packages and i removed some too, i guess i have broken some packages i don't know. |
| 02:51.47 | zebradog_ | Tau, how were you trying to read it? |
| 02:52.08 | zebradog_ | Tau, nways.. try 'groups <username>' see if u in audio group |
| 02:52.39 | Tau | zebradog_: well, i download some extra codecs from mplayer site. |
| 02:52.56 | Tau | zebradog_: sure, i will |
| 02:53.15 | Tau | zebradog_: yes, i am tau dialout cdrom floppy audio video plugdev powerdev |
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| 02:54.40 | zebradog_ | Tau, what abuot 'ls -la /dev/audio /dev/dsp' ? |
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| 02:56.19 | Tau | zebradog_: i got http://codepad.org/ir7TscQd |
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| 03:01.18 | Tau | zebradog_: :( |
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| 03:12.53 | Heyoka | hola tengo una pregunta pero no es directamente de debian |
| 03:13.04 | Heyoka | la lsb esa |
| 03:13.10 | jpinx-eeepc | .es |
| 03:13.16 | jpinx-eeepc | !es |
| 03:13.16 | dpkg | Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat |
| 03:13.31 | Heyoka | sorry |
| 03:13.40 | zebradog_ | Heyoka, you better be |
| 03:14.15 | Heyoka | why debian don't support lsb? |
| 03:14.39 | Heyoka | we have to paid for it? |
| 03:14.54 | zebradog_ | Heyoka, lsb is like lsd |
| 03:14.55 | zebradog_ | !lsd |
| 03:14.55 | dpkg | [lsd] 3l33t or lysergic acid diethylamide or Linux Software Distribution or linux + freebsd, or a way to mistype ls. see also sl or http://www.erowid.org/archive/hyperreal/drugs/humor/man.lsd, or see FreeLSD |
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| 03:15.16 | Heyoka | lsd?¿?¿ |
| 03:15.34 | mrtuple | linux standard base |
| 03:15.34 | Heyoka | you mean LSD-25 |
| 03:15.36 | prince_jammys | you didn't think they wrote all that software sober, did you? |
| 03:16.26 | Heyoka | sorry my english is not enough good I go to ·#debian-es |
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| 03:16.54 | mrtuple | anyone use dpkg-buildpackage much? |
| 03:17.07 | dondelelcaro | mrtuple: best to just ask your question |
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| 03:18.53 | mrtuple | I've unpacked a source .deb, built it once to make sure all was kosher, applied a patch, and now I'd like to do a traditional "make" where just the effected files are rebuilt... |
| 03:19.04 | dondelelcaro | mrtuple: there isn't a method to do that |
| 03:19.14 | mrtuple | :^( |
| 03:19.41 | dondelelcaro | mrtuple: it's solved by using things like ccache |
| 03:19.42 | mrtuple | sighs --- the package took 5+ hours to build the first time... |
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| 03:21.01 | dondelelcaro | now, you could just call debian/rules directly with whatever changes you have, but the only way to actually build and test is to make it after cleaning |
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| 03:26.08 | Tau | hey zebradog_ are you still in here ? |
| 03:26.15 | Tau | zebradog_: maybe it can be related tau:/home/tau# kwrite estatusdepacotes.txt |
| 03:26.15 | Tau | No protocol specified |
| 03:26.15 | Tau | kwrite: cannot connect to X server :0.0 |
| 03:26.20 | Tau | ops, sorry for pasting. |
| 03:26.24 | sactown | anyone ever have problems with java opening to many files and shutting down your proccess? |
| 03:26.28 | Tau | it didn't my intention. |
| 03:26.29 | zebradog_ | Tau, not sure how else to tackle your issue.. |
| 03:26.46 | simonrvn | Tau: running it as root... |
| 03:26.54 | Tau | simonrvn: i forgot. |
| 03:26.55 | zebradog_ | Tau, if you can't remembmer/trace back to what you did with that .rm file whatever it was.. then not sure what else to look into |
| 03:27.05 | simonrvn | !run stuff as root |
| 03:27.05 | dpkg | "export XAUTHORITY=$HOME/.Xauthority" in your environment BEFORE you su, DO NOT use "su -" because that blows away your variable setting above. See also <root x><sux>, <sshx>, <mit-magic-cookie>. |
| 03:27.11 | Tau | sure zebradog_ , thank you |
| 03:27.48 | simonrvn | why are you trying to run that as root when it's a file in your user's home dir? |
| 03:27.56 | zebradog_ | Tau, you can always try to see what you installed/changed, perhaps you're using an incompatible alsa library somewhere |
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| 03:32.55 | Tau | zebradog_: yes |
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| 03:33.35 | sheerz | Nickserv identify jh1515 |
| 03:33.50 | simonrvn | sheerz: um |
| 03:33.51 | sheerz | MF |
| 03:33.56 | sheerz | -_- |
| 03:34.15 | sheerz | *facepalm* |
| 03:34.24 | simonrvn | i'd change it asap |
| 03:34.27 | shazbotmcnasty | yeah |
| 03:34.28 | sheerz | Yeah. |
| 03:34.32 | shazbotmcnasty | You're going to want to change that |
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| 03:37.10 | shazbotmcnasty | sheerz, it's "/msg NickServ SET PASSWORD <newpassword>" |
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| 03:38.03 | sheerz | Someone beat me to it. |
| 03:38.45 | shazbotmcnasty | fail |
| 03:38.52 | shazbotmcnasty | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:38.54 | shazbotmcnasty | now |
| 03:39.14 | sheerz | So fail. I'll be fine. |
| 03:39.23 | shazbotmcnasty | ugh |
| 03:39.24 | simonrvn | no, they can fix it for you |
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| 03:40.14 | abaddon | your password is working fine :-) just change it.. |
| 03:40.30 | shazbotmcnasty | sheerz, did you fix it? |
| 03:41.01 | sheerz | Haha |
| 03:41.05 | shazbotmcnasty | >_> |
| 03:41.24 | sheerz | setpass wasn't working. I just dropped the account. |
| 03:41.26 | sheerz | Fixing... |
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| 03:41.40 | abaddon | you need to identify before set password |
| 03:41.56 | abaddon | "set password" not setpass in case you typoed.. |
| 03:42.22 | sheerz | I looked up the commands. It was "setpass". |
| 03:42.32 | sheerz | I already reregistered. |
| 03:42.42 | sheerz | Thanks guys. I feel really stupid. |
| 03:42.42 | shazbotmcnasty | and it is not setpass... |
| 03:42.54 | shazbotmcnasty | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:42.57 | sheerz | Ok. No use in fighting over it. |
| 03:43.15 | sheerz | It's handled. |
| 03:43.21 | shazbotmcnasty | okay |
| 03:43.46 | simonrvn | cool, glad it's fixed |
| 03:44.11 | sheerz | Hooray. Verified. |
| 03:44.53 | sheerz | You guys are pretty noble for not taking advantage. Thanks. |
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| 03:45.40 | simonrvn | it's called treating others like you'd like to be treated ;) |
| 03:46.04 | sheerz | Thank goodness for that. |
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| 03:49.50 | shazbotmcnasty | I'd like to think so |
| 03:49.58 | shazbotmcnasty | wipes dirt off of my shining armor |
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| 04:15.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | just biding our time... and waiting for something more profitable |
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| 04:22.57 | Haunt | Greetings. Does anyone know of high quality gaming headsets that work well using a Linux-based software distribution and/or if the World of Warcraft gaming headset from creative works well, if at all? Also, please do not make fun of me for playing WoW and/or for playing games in a Linux-based distribution. That seems to be the norm in Linux channels, lol. |
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| 04:23.48 | topangea | Can anyone tell me what /dev/xconsole is? |
| 04:24.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | a device |
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| 04:24.21 | topangea | no way! |
| 04:24.52 | r3m | Hi, I have knockd and I would like to use the -i option to specify eth2 instead of eth0. I can't do /etc/init.d/knockd -i eth2 start.... so i guess i need to modify the init.d script for knockd? |
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| 04:25.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | topangea, let me guess... you wanted more detail |
| 04:25.35 | marupa | Hi everyone, got a glitch here. Trying to get pidgin up and running, but it's just sitting at 'waiting for network connection'. Up in the top it says I'm not connected to any networks, and yet I'm definitely on. What's going on? |
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| 04:26.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | you might like the factoid... |
| 04:26.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | !xconsole |
| 04:26.21 | dpkg | methinks xconsole is an oxymoron |
| 04:27.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | topangea, but actually, I think the output of programs started by the wm and not from a shell is sent there |
| 04:27.19 | Squarism | when not having a root account.. can one still use up2date to install apps just on a account level? |
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| 04:27.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | possibly dmesg as well |
| 04:28.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | r3m, did you check /etc/knockd.conf and /usr/share/doc/knockd/README* ? |
| 04:29.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | up2date? |
| 04:29.42 | r3m | yes but this is really in /etc/init.d/knockd i see the option line but thanks CutMeOwnThroat |
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| 04:31.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | r3m, I never used it, but that sounds kind of unusual... if the files I mentioned don't give an option, perhaps check the bts and/or file a bug report (I don't think one should need to edit init scripts to change configuration) |
| 04:31.31 | r3m | CutMeOwnThroat: ok ill check that |
| 04:31.42 | topangea | CutMeOwnThroat: well, I tihnk our mail server has been compromised |
| 04:32.02 | topangea | thousands of e-mails from "scottwright" are being sent by the server |
| 04:32.17 | topangea | and when I grep around for "scottwright" it finds hits in /dev/xconsole |
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| 04:32.55 | zcat[1] | !sudo |
| 04:32.56 | dpkg | [sudo] (Substitute User DO) better than su, according to talon. Not enabled by default on Debian systems; configure /etc/sudoers first, ask me about <visudo>, <sudoers>. sudo can give limited super user privileges to specific users, or allow you to do silly things like run X apps with root perms, or good in scripts with "username ALL = NOPASSWD: /some/program". http://wiki.debian.org/sudo http://www.aplawrence.com/Basics/sudo.html |
| 04:33.08 | marupa | Any ideas on my issue? |
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| 04:35.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | topangea, err... as I said, it's simiar to dmesg and just maybe contains additional stuff ... |
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| 04:35.46 | ngomes__ | is it possible to search what packages are installed from a certain repositorie ? |
| 04:38.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | topangea, did you run something like rkhunter or stealth that enables you to track possible changes to the filesystem? |
| 04:38.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | topangea, if they were stupid enough to change files that were part of a package, "debsums" might be helpful |
| 04:38.48 | marupa | OK, so, apparently pidgin is waiting for NetworkManager to tell it that it has an internet connection. NetworkManager says I have no internet connections, and yet I am definitely connected. Is there any way to resolve this? |
| 04:39.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | but usually a reinstall is in order... you can never be sure you got all backdoors |
| 04:39.07 | topangea | debsums? What does this do? |
| 04:39.18 | topangea | ah... well, that really sucks |
| 04:39.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | type "apt-cache show debsums" in a shell and find out? |
| 04:40.05 | topangea | ah, neat |
| 04:40.56 | topangea | Hmm... unfortunatley I didn't configure this e-mail server and I don't know much about mail server software... I know it's running dovecots |
| 04:41.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | of course doesn't help you against additional files or devices or if the md5 sums are no longer available |
| 04:41.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | or changed configuration files for that matter |
| 04:42.08 | jpinx-eeepc | marupa: is your problem only in pidgin? |
| 04:42.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | but if someone installed a rootkit and that exchanged /bin/ps or whatever it should turn up |
| 04:42.24 | marupa | jpinx-eeepc, It's the only one I've tested. |
| 04:43.07 | jpinx-eeepc | marupa: try a browser or do a ping or soemthing to prove your connection problem |
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| 04:43.26 | marupa | I'm online on the same computer I'm connecting to IRC with. It's not a connection problem. |
| 04:43.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | are you using network manager? |
| 04:43.46 | marupa | CutMeOwnThroat, I'd rather not, but I'm sure it installed itself. |
| 04:43.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | are you _using_ network manager? |
| 04:43.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, uninstall it? |
| 04:44.12 | jpinx-eeepc | marupa: what protocol are you trying to co0nnect to with pidgin - there are issues with msn these days apparently |
| 04:44.45 | marupa | jpinx-eeepc, AIM, YIM, MSN. |
| 04:45.21 | jpinx-eeepc | marupa: sounds like your pidgin is b0rked - what version you using? |
| 04:45.33 | jpinx-eeepc | judd: versions pidgin |
| 04:45.35 | judd | pidgin -- etch-backports: 2.4.3-4lenny5~bpo40+1; lenny: 2.4.3-4lenny5; lenny-security: 2.4.3-4lenny7; lenny-backports: 2.7.0-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 2.7.0-3; sid: 2.7.1-1 |
| 04:45.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's weird network-manager should be installed "by itself" |
| 04:46.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | and more weird actually that some program relies on it |
| 04:46.18 | jpinx-eeepc | if he has gnome it might be selfinstalled ;) |
| 04:46.35 | jpinx-eeepc | wtf is lenny-security ? |
| 04:46.45 | jpinx-eeepc | !lenny-security |
| 04:46.48 | marupa | CutMeOwnThroat, OK, that seems to have fixed it. Thanks. But why would it install if it just breaks things? Odd. Anyway, question two. Looking up new pages is taking /forever/. Ten or so seconds to load any website for the first time. once the page has been checked once, for a while (while it's still cached, I'm sure) connections are fine, but if I wait say, longer than five minutes, it's slow again. DNS lookups is what this points to |
| 04:46.48 | marupa | , but why? |
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| 04:48.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | "new pages"? |
| 04:48.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | you mean in a browser? |
| 04:48.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | but yeah, sounds like dns |
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| 04:49.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | how long does "host www.q101.com" (or any address you've not seen before) take |
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| 04:51.09 | marupa | Any program that tries to resolve a domain name to an IP. And occasionally it's decently fast, but for instance when I first logged into gmail, it took at least two minutes to even get to my mail. |
| 04:51.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | how many dns servers do you have in resolv.conf |
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| 04:51.43 | marupa | 3. |
| 04:51.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | comment out the first one if several |
| 04:51.58 | jpinx-eeepc | CutMeOwnThroat: fwiw my browser took about 10 secs for the lookup and another 5 to get that site |
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| 04:52.19 | marupa | I'm doing a dnsmasq local-host as the first one, so if my computer's seen the site, it's fast. |
| 04:52.32 | marupa | the other two are ones I've used for ages, and haven't ever been slow before. |
| 04:52.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's actually supposed to use some type of... wossname... round-robin(?) scheme to switch between available dns, but in my experience it uses the 1st one and if you're lucky, it tries the 2nd after a timeout when that fails |
| 04:53.29 | Tramp | nope. round-robin would be with the "rotate" option only |
| 04:53.56 | marupa | specifically, I'm using 4.2.2.1 and 4.2.2.2 |
| 04:54.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tramp, you're stalking me.... probably looking for more bash.org material! |
| 04:54.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | :-P |
| 04:54.50 | Tramp | nah :) |
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| 04:55.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | interesting... I never looked closer into it |
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| 04:56.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | just removed the offending server in the cases when there was a problem |
| 04:56.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | did the timeout used to be longer? |
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| 04:57.35 | marupa | someone give me a domain to test out to see how long it takes. |
| 04:57.59 | SuperMiguel | so i installed splashy, i can do slashy-test and it works fine but when system reboots nothing happens |
| 04:58.21 | Tramp | you cannot think of a domain? |
| 04:58.31 | marupa | not that I haven't been to already. |
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| 04:58.41 | Tramp | www.example.com |
| 04:58.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | I did! |
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| 04:59.44 | FDfh | Hi, I fixed an error on my hard drive, and now GRUB gives me an "Error 22" when I try to boot. Does anyone know how to fix this or how to remove GRUB? I don't have the Windows XP boot disk :\ |
| 05:00.21 | Tramp | "I cannot think of a domain I haven't been to already" - the day I say this it's a sign I was sitting in front of the screen for too long |
| 05:00.28 | marupa | FDfh, you'll need to use a debian/ubuntu/linux CD and reinstall grub. |
| 05:00.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tramp, you just said that |
| 05:01.12 | FDfh | FDfh: when i get to the partitioning stage of the cd, it only shows one partition |
| 05:01.23 | FDfh | eerr |
| 05:01.26 | FDfh | marupa: ^ |
| 05:01.48 | Tramp | ok, well, if I say this without saying "the day I say this" |
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| 05:02.34 | marupa | FDfh, You likely don't need to get to that portion. There should be a grub recovery portion if you load the expert settings. As long as you install it to the same drive, it should work. |
| 05:02.47 | marupa | I guess maybe it was just laggy. Working now. Odd. |
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| 05:04.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | you could have just admitted that it's a sign you were sitting in front of the screen for too long... but each to their own |
| 05:05.11 | SuperMiguel | is it possible to run splashy in debian squeeze? |
| 05:05.43 | FDfh | marupa: "Rescue mode"? |
| 05:06.05 | marupa | Ok, i guess that's fixed for now. Lastly, and I'm sure I could figure this out eventually, but I don't want to spend hours and hours. Trying to get all of my audio cards (I have three...an Audigy2, the onboard, and a USB headset) all that I want to be putting out the same audio. Is this possible? |
| 05:06.29 | marupa | FDfh, go into expert mode, then once you get past the networking, there should be a grub option. |
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| 05:08.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | guess it must be possible... but never heard anyone wanted that.... guess asound.conf is your friend |
| 05:09.10 | jpinx-eeepc | i believe it is possible to use 2 wifi adaptors at the same time to inprove performance, anyne know how? |
| 05:09.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | /usr/share/doc/libasound2/examples/asoundrc.txt.gz perhaps has something |
| 05:10.10 | marupa | CutMeOwnThroat, Thanks. |
| 05:10.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | jpinx-eeepc, last time someone asked, it turned out that's so complicated, you don't want it |
| 05:10.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | although that was with two landline ethernet |
| 05:10.50 | jpinx-eeepc | heh |
| 05:11.15 | jpinx-eeepc | CutMeOwnThroat: I kinda thought that might be the case, but it was worth a shot.... |
| 05:11.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | because you really get into routing... |
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| 05:11.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | specially if it's two different IPs... |
| 05:12.04 | marupa | jpinx-eeepc, And for the record, unless your 'net is faster than 54Mbit, you're not gonna be getting much speed out of dual-wan on the same ISP. |
| 05:12.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | need to make sure packages for the same connection always go through the same interface |
| 05:12.12 | jpinx-eeepc | CutMeOwnThroat: yea - I can see how you would need some kind of routing, but I would only be using one WAP |
| 05:12.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | while not _always_ using the same one |
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| 05:12.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | guess easiest way would be to have routing to one much-used host on one interface, everything else on the other |
| 05:12.57 | hooya | what are some good snmp monitoring software besides nagios and cacti? |
| 05:13.09 | jpinx-eeepc | marupa: true, but it is really because my signal strength is flaky |
| 05:13.22 | marupa | jpinx-eeepc, Probably want load-balancing then. |
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| 05:14.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | jpinx-eeepc, but it won't help much for that - an existing connection can't just suddenly end at a different IP, so the existing connection can't "switch" |
| 05:14.16 | jpinx-eeepc | CutMeOwnThroat: that would be a good one if I put freenode on one route and everthing else on another ;) |
| 05:14.37 | marupa | http://blog.taragana.com/index.php/archive/how-to-load-balancing-failover-with-dual-multi-wan-adsl-cable-connections-on-linux/ |
| 05:14.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | and if both wlan routers are behind the same nat... |
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| 05:14.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, I cherish my ignorance there |
| 05:14.59 | marupa | As you can see from the size of that page, it's a massive pain in the butt. |
| 05:16.06 | jpinx-eeepc | marupa: indeed |
| 05:16.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | didn't you mean in the donkey? |
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| 05:20.04 | RainbowW | two debian boxen, trying to share directories. all on a same local net, neither are portable ... nfs or smb? |
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| 05:20.35 | jpinx-eeepc | on a more basic level, anyione know how to enable Tx power management in a USb wifi adaptor? |
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| 05:22.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | I never tried smb to anything but windows machines... not sure what problems might crop up... (well, no softlinks for one) |
| 05:22.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | so I'd say nfs |
| 05:22.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | beloved old nfs |
| 05:22.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | !nfs |
| 05:22.49 | dpkg | Sun's Network Filesystem, a reasonably simple file transfer protocol that is quite hard to secure. See the NFS-HOWTO for setup, or No Files Served. Network FaILurE System. Never Fscking Stable. No Fucking Security. Nightmare File System, or ask me about <ssh tunneled nfs>. http://wiki.debian.org/NFS |
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| 05:23.39 | RainbowW | ssh tunnels aren't necessary. if an attacker is close enough to reach these machines, they're already in the house and i've already been shot and killed, so it's not a proble. |
| 05:23.43 | RainbowW | problem. |
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| 05:24.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | as I said.. I'd go for nfs |
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| 05:24.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | softlinks, sockets... |
| 05:25.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | if you only use the shared drive for storage, it probably doesn't matter much (well... long filenames or with weird characters?) |
| 05:26.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | but if you try to share /home you'd run into a lot of trouble with smb |
| 05:26.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | file locking, too, I guess |
| 05:26.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | .Xauthority |
| 05:26.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | shudders |
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| 05:27.01 | RainbowW | yeah i'd like to share home, which is why i asked. hmm. and why is apt-get dist-upgrade to squeeze throwing up on udev? |
| 05:27.01 | Ricoshady | how hard is it to move to the next release of debian? |
| 05:27.09 | RainbowW | Ricoshady: depends on what release you're on. |
| 05:27.15 | Ricoshady | mine is stuck on etch |
| 05:27.18 | FDfh | I'm following the instructions here (http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch08s07.html.en), should my "root file system" be my windows partiton or my debian partition? |
| 05:27.38 | Ricoshady | its stuck on 5.2.0-8+etch16 |
| 05:27.43 | Ricoshady | I need a higher version |
| 05:27.46 | jpinx-eeepc | !tell Ricoshady about etch->lenny |
| 05:28.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, lenny->squeeze |
| 05:28.01 | dpkg | Remove any APT source specific to stable (such as volatile), then s/lenny/squeeze/ on your sources.list and then aptitude update && aptitude install aptitude linux-image-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,'` ; reboot; aptitude safe-upgrade && aptitude full-upgrade. Important: see <squeeze udev>. Also ask me about <d-d-a>, <apt-listchanges>, <testing>. |
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| 05:28.36 | Ricoshady | how safe is the upgrade? |
| 05:28.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | RainbowW, because you didn't look at "Important: see <squeeze udev>" :-P |
| 05:28.54 | jpinx-eeepc | FDfh: in your debian partition |
| 05:29.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | which was the factoid I actually wanted |
| 05:29.12 | jpinx-eeepc | Ricoshady: I managed it and didn't lose anything ;) |
| 05:30.23 | FDfh | jpinx-eeepc: when i select any of the three partitions, it gives me a mount failed error |
| 05:30.25 | Ricoshady | it seems pretty simple |
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| 05:31.11 | jpinx-eeepc | FDfh: go back to partitioning maybe? |
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| 05:31.23 | FDfh | jpinx-eeepc: partitioning only shows one partiton |
| 05:31.24 | jpinx-eeepc | Ricoshady: it was relatively painless |
| 05:31.25 | RainbowW | ty. one kernel upgrade coming. |
| 05:31.37 | FDfh | jpinx-eeepc: i just need to reinstall GRUB |
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| 05:31.48 | jpinx-eeepc | Ricoshady: but do the backups before you start - just in case |
| 05:32.15 | jpinx-eeepc | Ricoshady: and the output of dpkg -l might be handy |
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| 05:32.37 | Ricoshady | how do I do a full backup? |
| 05:33.27 | jpinx-eeepc | Ricoshady: depends on what disc space you have a available, but a simple cp will do |
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| 05:34.09 | Ricoshady | cp -R / /backup/ ? |
| 05:35.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | doesn't that recursively copy the backup into a backup of the backup? |
| 05:35.06 | Ricoshady | can I explide a dir from cp, I dont want to recursively copy /backup too which is another drive |
| 05:35.10 | jpinx-eeepc | Ricoshady: that'll loop |
| 05:35.20 | Ricoshady | I know, read I was just typing something |
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| 05:36.01 | Ricoshady | so how do I exclude backup then? |
| 05:36.07 | Ricoshady | which is another mount |
| 05:36.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | you can do /* - e.g. tar -cvzf /bla.tgz /* |
| 05:36.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | better to exclude /dev, too |
| 05:36.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | and proc |
| 05:36.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | and sys |
| 05:37.09 | Ricoshady | well that tar would include those no? |
| 05:37.13 | jpinx-eeepc | just cp /var and /etc and /home |
| 05:38.09 | Ricoshady | not usr/ ? |
| 05:38.16 | jpinx-eeepc | the level of backup really depends on how you feel about it ;) |
| 05:38.32 | jpinx-eeepc | I only copied out /home and dpkg -l |
| 05:38.37 | Ricoshady | might be nice to just say fuck it |
| 05:38.51 | Ricoshady | its a dev box, but it would suck if it failed |
| 05:39.02 | jpinx-eeepc | at least I could re-install anything that might have broken |
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| 05:39.34 | dbb | hello- I have a python 2.6 on a new machine, and wold like to use psycopg2 on it.. but, the right libpq is in /usr/local/pgsql/lib/ .. what to do ? |
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| 05:39.37 | dbb | .. I have to make python 2.6 look in the right place for the .so lib ? |
| 05:39.47 | rozie | Ricoshady: it may be worth to look at some backup software, not doing all manually |
| 05:40.09 | Ricoshady | what is a good linux backup to a spare partition? |
| 05:40.11 | rozie | some of this soft have deduplication build in |
| 05:40.40 | jpinx-eeepc | Ricoshady: rsync |
| 05:40.45 | rozie | so you can store far more backups at the same space |
| 05:41.48 | Ricoshady | would be cool to have a incremental backup that only copies new files, and shows the daily changes, I saw a script that did that once |
| 05:42.09 | jpinx-eeepc | Ricoshady: rsync |
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| 05:42.28 | Ricoshady | jpinx-eeepc, but how can I say, let me see the files as of 3 days ago |
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| 05:42.59 | rozie | Ricoshady: backuppc |
| 05:43.04 | dbb | well the sr admin just fixed it.. |
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| 05:43.26 | rozie | take a look at docs befere you install it |
| 05:44.04 | wvae | hi , i ve made usb drive bootable to install debian on eee using thish method "http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03" ( 4.3.2 ) but when i boot it gives me error "Could not find kernel image: linux" |
| 05:44.33 | jpinx-eeepc | wvae: how did you make the usb image |
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| 05:45.03 | wvae | jpinx-eeepc, http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03 |
| 05:45.06 | wvae | ^ |
| 05:45.14 | wvae | 4.3.2 section |
| 05:45.36 | rozie | wvae: it's easier to use livehelper |
| 05:45.49 | rozie | it build ready image |
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| 05:46.01 | wvae | livehelper ? |
| 05:46.09 | wvae | googles |
| 05:46.58 | Ricoshady | any reason I should run the upgrade from the console? |
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| 05:47.35 | rozie | wvae: but it builds live Debian, and you can install then using debootstrap |
| 05:47.53 | wvae | ah ok |
| 05:47.56 | wvae | gonna try |
| 05:47.56 | rozie | I'm not sure if it's fine for you |
| 05:48.05 | rozie | wvae: wait a sec |
| 05:48.32 | wvae | but why i m getting error using that method ? i did everything according to guide |
| 05:48.33 | wvae | :-s |
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| 05:49.59 | rozie | wvae: http://pastebin.com/rQTJTXVR |
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| 05:50.26 | rozie | you need to install livehelper first and need pretty lot of free space |
| 05:50.44 | wvae | ah |
| 05:50.44 | wvae | ok |
| 05:50.49 | RainbowW | tasksel seems to be hanging after calling aptitude, at 0%. is there a reference that tells me what metapackages tasksel actually installs so i can do them using aptitude directly? |
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| 05:51.18 | rozie | you can also remove some programs, it's my rescure iso ;) |
| 05:51.46 | rozie | and you may want to add some partition/FS tools |
| 05:51.47 | wvae | ah , ok :p |
| 05:52.04 | rozie | use reiserfs |
| 05:53.02 | rozie | but IIRC there are ext3 tools also included |
| 05:53.44 | wvae | i use ext4 |
| 05:53.51 | wvae | :p pretty stable |
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| 05:55.26 | trupheenix | weird on lenny kernel 2.6.26 my laptop used to heat up more but on sid 2.6.32 it seems very cool. can anyone give me an explanation for this? |
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| 05:56.58 | rozie | trupheenix: maybe cpu scalling didn't work on Lenny? |
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| 05:57.37 | trupheenix | rozie, oh :( so u think i ruined my laptop? been using it this way for a year now |
| 05:58.22 | rozie | it was a question and one possible solution |
| 05:58.49 | trupheenix | rozie, yes its possible that cpu scaling wasn't working |
| 05:59.17 | trupheenix | rozie, thanks. i think it's all working well now. |
| 05:59.17 | rozie | it maked no harm to hardware. just to your ears |
| 05:59.32 | Ricoshady | what is the score the upgrade gives you? |
| 05:59.36 | trupheenix | rozie, no i really couldn't make out. only my lap got burnt |
| 06:00.31 | JasonWoof | score? |
| 06:01.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | RainbowW, tasksel --task-packages task? |
| 06:01.17 | Ricoshady | before before I run the upgrade is says Score is -807 |
| 06:01.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | but sounds like aptitude hangs because of a network problem anyway |
| 06:01.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | so wouldn't make a difference |
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| 06:07.04 | manchot | for a minimal debian testing install, how to get the list of the packages installed? |
| 06:07.45 | rozie | manchot: dpkg-query |
| 06:08.35 | RainbowW | i still don't get why tasksel is hanging. is there a log somewhere? |
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| 06:10.09 | manchot | rozie, dpkg-query -l ? |
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| 06:11.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | RainbowW, switch to console 4, I think |
| 06:11.10 | shazbotmcnasty | how does one fix this: /xflux |
| 06:11.11 | shazbotmcnasty | ./xflux: error while loading shared libraries: libXxf86vm.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 06:11.20 | RainbowW | CutMeOwnThroat: not an install. |
| 06:11.33 | rozie | manchot: man dpkg-query |
| 06:12.04 | rozie | I don't know what list do you want |
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| 06:12.14 | rozie | dpkg -l also gives a list |
| 06:12.14 | dpkg | ii also gives a list 3.2-2 rozie's private porn collection |
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| 06:12.31 | shazbotmcnasty | omg |
| 06:12.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | tee hee |
| 06:12.32 | shazbotmcnasty | what |
| 06:12.33 | RainbowW | <snort> |
| 06:12.48 | rozie | hmm. kinda broken |
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| 06:13.00 | rozie | it's 5.2-1 at least |
| 06:13.09 | shazbotmcnasty | :D |
| 06:13.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | RainbowW, strace, then? |
| 06:13.28 | manchot | rozie, I just want to list or find all the packages that are listed as "standard system" for lenny or suqeeze |
| 06:13.29 | shazbotmcnasty | well for my problem, I have /xflux |
| 06:13.29 | shazbotmcnasty | ./xflux: error while loading shared libraries: libXxf86vm and libXxf86vm-dev installed |
| 06:13.44 | shazbotmcnasty | ,libXx86vm |
| 06:13.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | "ldd" |
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| 06:14.59 | manchot | in other words: how to find the packages that are made "Base System" in debian? |
| 06:15.06 | manchot | or bootstrapping |
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| 06:18.43 | rozie | manchot: take a look on debootstrap. it installs packages basing on list/priority/section IIRC |
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| 06:21.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | manchot, you should read a bit more on it (i.e. I'm not sure that covers all), but how about aptitude search '?priority(required)' |
| 06:21.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | for starters |
| 06:21.33 | manchot | CutMeOwnThroat, OK. |
| 06:22.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's also "important" |
| 06:23.14 | manchot | CutMeOwnThroat, ok. testing with debootrap now. Just wonder how does debootrap know the package lists. |
| 06:23.43 | shazbotmcnasty | ./xflux: error while loading shared libraries: libXxf86vm.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 06:23.46 | shazbotmcnasty | how fix? |
| 06:23.52 | manchot | another question: why exim is made default for lenny, not postfix? |
| 06:23.55 | shazbotmcnasty | I have both: libXxf86vm and libXxf86vm-dev installed |
| 06:24.00 | RainbowW | shazbotmcnasty: ldconf |
| 06:24.17 | shazbotmcnasty | libXxf86vm1 installed, but it says set to manually install |
| 06:24.27 | shazbotmcnasty | command not found RainbowW |
| 06:24.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | I already told him to check with ldd... |
| 06:24.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | but he keeps repeating the question |
| 06:24.45 | shazbotmcnasty | oh |
| 06:24.51 | shazbotmcnasty | well I expected a beep bro |
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| 06:25.05 | RainbowW | what you get for expecting things. |
| 06:25.11 | shazbotmcnasty | yeah |
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| 06:25.28 | shazbotmcnasty | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:25.31 | RainbowW | god i hate trackpads |
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| 06:25.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | *beep* |
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| 06:26.00 | shazbotmcnasty | thanks |
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| 06:26.31 | lxsameer | hi , i'm looking for a easy to use software that restrict the internet access in a gateway machine ? do you know any |
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| 06:27.28 | RainbowW | lxsameer: there are lots of firewall packages. |
| 06:27.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | but ... easy to use... "shutdown"? |
| 06:27.56 | RainbowW | yeah that's pretty secure too |
| 06:28.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | and quite efficient in restricting :) |
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| 06:28.52 | chroma | (test, please ignore) |
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| 06:29.02 | RainbowW | chroma: epic fail. |
| 06:29.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | no sd son'g |
| 06:29.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | heh |
| 06:29.12 | lxsameer | RainbowW: witch one is easier i need a easy to use package for a persone with low level of computer knowledge |
| 06:29.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | no we won't |
| 06:29.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | left hand slipped by 1 |
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| 06:29.43 | RainbowW | lxsameer: you have inadequately defined your problem. why is a consumer-level router inadequate to your project? |
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| 06:29.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | RainbowW, if I wanted to test something, I'd do it in a channel with a 1000 people in it, too |
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| 06:29.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | wouldn't you? |
| 06:30.09 | RainbowW | yeah especially when i don't want a response |
| 06:30.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | right |
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| 06:30.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | if you're making an ass of yourself you might as well do it with an audience |
| 06:30.45 | RainbowW | yup |
| 06:31.08 | RainbowW | is there a howto somewhere on ftpsync? i see how to get it to exclude architectures, but not how to exclude releases |
| 06:31.08 | lxsameer | RainbowW: because it my job to prepare a linux machine for that purpose and i don't have any other choice |
| 06:31.23 | chroma | Smoothwall is simpler. |
| 06:31.44 | RainbowW | chroma: that was going to be my suggestion, although i suspect even smoothwall may be above lxsameer's head. |
| 06:35.14 | trupheenix | hmmm |
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| 06:35.19 | trupheenix | my sound has suddenly died |
| 06:35.21 | trupheenix | :( |
| 06:35.22 | lxsameer | RainbowW: so do you have any better idea ? |
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| 06:35.55 | RainbowW | lxsameer: yes. get your employer to pay for a basic education in tcp/ip and firewall control. |
| 06:35.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | R.I.P. |
| 06:36.24 | RainbowW | setting up a firewall without knowing what it does and how to control it is nearly as useful as not having one |
| 06:36.38 | lxsameer | RainbowW: good one , but i can't |
| 06:36.46 | RainbowW | guess your life sucks then |
| 06:36.54 | lxsameer | R:D |
| 06:37.34 | RainbowW | smoothwall will probably be your best bet, and no, you can not ask questions about smoothwall in here. |
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| 06:38.12 | lxsameer | RainbowW: i see , thanks for the time |
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| 06:38.44 | shazbotmcnasty | can someone explain how i'm supposed to be using ldd to find these shared dependencies? |
| 06:38.51 | shazbotmcnasty | I understand that that's what it does |
| 06:38.57 | shazbotmcnasty | I read the manual and I still no get |
| 06:39.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | ldd executabe |
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| 06:39.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | l |
| 06:39.12 | shazbotmcnasty | oh |
| 06:39.18 | eleusis | hello |
| 06:40.00 | shazbotmcnasty | http://pastebin.org/300755 |
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| 06:40.03 | shazbotmcnasty | that's the output |
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| 06:41.07 | RainbowW | hmm. apparently ftpsync doesn't allow you to mirror only specific releases? that's ... odd. |
| 06:41.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | lxsameer, actually, you haven't even said if you want to do NAT |
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| 06:41.40 | lxsameer | CutMeOwnThroat: no i don't |
| 06:41.46 | RainbowW | CutMeOwnThroat: that's because he isn't aware enough of his problem even to understand his needs, i'd bet. |
| 06:41.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's "mason" in debian, btw |
| 06:42.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | which I've not trid... |
| 06:42.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | tried |
| 06:42.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | what's wrong with my keyboard... |
| 06:42.34 | RainbowW | CutMeOwnThroat: the user? :-) |
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| 06:42.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps I'm too tired and my fingers lack the strength |
| 06:43.15 | jeremybub | Hi, I am the developer of an audio plugin, which I would like to package and maintain for debian. I'm not sure where to start because my program is neither a binary nor a proper "library" per-say, so neither of the two introductory manuals I found were applicable. |
| 06:43.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | hmm, what _is_ it |
| 06:44.02 | sevenop | jeremybub: What is the plugin for? |
| 06:44.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | sounds kind of like a library |
| 06:44.45 | jeremybub | It's an audio plugin, using the LV2 format, so it can be used in programs like Audacity, Ardour, and Qtractor |
| 06:46.07 | shazbotmcnasty | well yeah, with this: http://pastebin.org/300755 - I've tried to search for and install the ones not found, but apparently they're all installed and set to manually installed |
| 06:46.11 | shazbotmcnasty | I don't know what to do... |
| 06:46.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps similar to vamp-plugin-sdk? |
| 06:46.46 | jeremybub | What I mean by it's not a library is that it is not stored in the normal shared library place, and it doesn't provide header files or static libraries because it's not going to be linked to by any programs at compile time. |
| 06:46.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | mmm... which doesn't look like it's properly packaged |
| 06:47.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | you could ask in #debian-mentors |
| 06:47.37 | sevenop | jeremybub: I'm not familiar with that format. I'm sure it can be packaged if it's useful. Any thoughts about talking with the lv2 guys and just offering it up on their website? |
| 06:47.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... on oftc, I think |
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| 06:48.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | !mentors |
| 06:48.08 | dpkg | hmm... mentors is the system that the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers and get their packages into the Debian archive. Ask me about <nmg> or <mg>. http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ http://mentors.debian.net/ #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org. |
| 06:48.31 | jeremybub | sevenop: I already have it available for download online, but I figured packaging it would make it easier for everyone to find and use it. |
| 06:48.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | shazbotmcnasty, well, the "not found" is a clue... wouldn't you think? |
| 06:49.09 | shazbotmcnasty | thanks bro |
| 06:49.28 | jeremybub | thanks. |
| 06:50.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | shazbotmcnasty, apt-file search libXxf86vm.so.1 --> libxxf86vm1 |
| 06:50.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | did you say you have that installed? |
| 06:50.10 | shazbotmcnasty | yes |
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| 06:50.23 | shazbotmcnasty | they're all set to manually installed |
| 06:50.30 | shazbotmcnasty | all of those missing things |
| 06:50.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | "manually installed"? |
| 06:51.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | what version of debian is this? |
| 06:51.26 | sevenop | jeremybub: Not sure really, it's an audio plugin, that'd be great if there was an audio-plugin's package for debian. My quick search showed up invada-studio-plugins-lv2 |
| 06:52.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | what does 'dpkg -l libxxf86vm1|grep libxxf86vm1' return? |
| 06:52.40 | shazbotmcnasty | CutMeOwnThroat, it's squeeze |
| 06:52.42 | shazbotmcnasty | and lemme try that |
| 06:53.11 | shazbotmcnasty | http://pastebin.org/300778 |
| 06:53.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | should be only one line |
| 06:53.21 | jeremybub | sevenop: there are other plugins in this format already packaged such as calf-plugins |
| 06:53.35 | shazbotmcnasty | it's not huge |
| 06:53.38 | shazbotmcnasty | just two lines |
| 06:54.16 | JairunCaloth | odd, my root password is not what it should be |
| 06:55.11 | RainbowW | JairunCaloth: that's usually bad, just fyi. |
| 06:55.12 | sevenop | jeremybub: Cool, but you don't have any desire to be a part of an existing package? Your interest is to package your own plugin's correct? |
| 06:55.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | so we come back to what... wossname said -> run ldconfig |
| 06:55.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually the package should have run that, so that's weird |
| 06:56.06 | jeremybub | sevenop: I would be happy to be part of another package, but that doesn't seem to be how things are done currently. It seems most plugins are split up by who develops them. |
| 06:56.11 | JairunCaloth | RainbowW: I find it a bit disconcerting. |
| 06:56.22 | RainbowW | JairunCaloth: you should. |
| 06:56.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | JairunCaloth, is this the moment where we ask "WHAT should it be?"? |
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| 06:57.12 | RainbowW | my life is complete. |
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| 06:57.31 | RainbowW | i have an angry cat in my lap. |
| 06:57.52 | JairunCaloth | CutMeOwnThroat: it should be what I set it to :-p |
| 06:58.11 | shazbotmcnasty | CutMeOwnThroat, ldconfig doesn't exist |
| 06:58.17 | shazbotmcnasty | I presume I should get it... |
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| 06:58.41 | RainbowW | shazbotmcnasty: that might be helpful. |
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| 06:58.51 | sevenop | jeremybub: My bet is that the package is just a series of lv2 files that get copied into a directory somewhere. I just installed calf-plugins it dumps a bunch of files into /usr/lib/lv2/calf.lv2 one of them is calf.so so calf is clearly compiling his files as a shared object. |
| 06:59.16 | shazbotmcnasty | RainbowW, CutMeOwnThroat "apt-cache search ldconfig libc-bin - Embedded GNU C Library: Binaries" |
| 06:59.27 | RainbowW | shazbotmcnasty: and? |
| 06:59.31 | shazbotmcnasty | sudo apt-get install libc-bin: libc-bin is already the newest version. |
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| 06:59.40 | shazbotmcnasty | yet I have no ldconfig |
| 06:59.47 | RainbowW | shazbotmcnasty: are you logged in as root? |
| 07:00.00 | shazbotmcnasty | D: |
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| 07:00.01 | shazbotmcnasty | no |
| 07:00.04 | shazbotmcnasty | that would help... |
| 07:00.04 | jpinx-eeepc | RainbowW: see "sudo" ? |
| 07:00.04 | sevenop | ls -l /sbin/ldconfig |
| 07:00.12 | shazbotmcnasty | oh.. yeah |
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| 07:00.16 | shazbotmcnasty | sudo n stuff |
| 07:00.17 | shazbotmcnasty | lmao |
| 07:00.27 | shazbotmcnasty | I'm so tired, sorry - I'm a retard right now |
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| 07:00.30 | RainbowW | uh. yeah. /sbin isn't in a regular user's PATH. |
| 07:00.34 | RainbowW | right now? <cough> |
| 07:01.52 | shazbotmcnasty | okay |
| 07:01.54 | shazbotmcnasty | well I did that |
| 07:01.56 | shazbotmcnasty | no output |
| 07:02.01 | RainbowW | that's normal. |
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| 07:03.06 | shazbotmcnasty | okay |
| 07:03.10 | shazbotmcnasty | and the next step? |
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| 07:03.39 | t0d0r | hi there, from where i can get debian-etch iso (4.0) ? |
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| 07:04.01 | RainbowW | t0d0r: why on god's green earth would you want that? it's unsupported, both in here and by the security team |
| 07:04.10 | shazbotmcnasty | my friend didn't have to do anything to get that same binary to work |
| 07:04.11 | t0d0r | or jugdo file ? |
| 07:04.23 | jpinx-eeepc | !etch iso |
| 07:04.23 | dpkg | Links to Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 ("Etch") installation images are provided at http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/debian-installer/ Note that Etch has been superseded by Lenny, ask me about <install lenny>. Security support for Etch ended on 2010-02-15, this release is no longer supported. |
| 07:04.29 | JairunCaloth | bing |
| 07:04.30 | JairunCaloth | o |
| 07:04.32 | JairunCaloth | May 22 14:33:54 TheBria passwd[29684]: pam_unix(passwd:chauthtok): password changed for root |
| 07:04.35 | jpinx-eeepc | t0d0r: ââââ |
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| 07:04.50 | t0d0r | RainbowW: I have system to migrate, wan't to install test server |
| 07:05.30 | jpinx-eeepc | !tell t0d0r about etch iso |
| 07:05.34 | RainbowW | that's actually not a bad reason. so, there's your url. |
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| 07:06.36 | JairunCaloth | hehe, so went to set a password for the girfriend's account, apparently I had her set the password on the root account. *whew* |
| 07:07.31 | mrtuple | JairunCaloth, your girlfriends name is pam_unix? cool. |
| 07:07.53 | JairunCaloth | lol no, but that would be cool :-p[ |
| 07:08.14 | t0d0r | thank you |
| 07:10.16 | shazbotmcnasty | night night |
| 07:11.30 | RainbowW | someday i must migrate away from qmail. <sigh> legacy addresses ... |
| 07:12.03 | shazbotmcnasty | qmail? |
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| 07:14.50 | ethanol | mornin' all |
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| 07:16.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | JairunCaloth, that is REAL trust... giving the root account away to the gf |
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| 07:18.16 | ethanol | t0d0r: if you're going to test anyway, why not test if a migration to lenny can be achieved? |
| 07:18.20 | ethanol | just my 2 cents |
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| 07:19.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's his plan |
| 07:19.26 | RainbowW | ethanol: that was my understanding of what he wanted. |
| 07:19.40 | ethanol | huh, then why did he ask for an etch image? |
| 07:19.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | I don't see why he doesn't clone the existing system, though |
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| 07:20.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | ethanol, to install a machine he's testing the upgrade on? |
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| 07:20.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | I mean... what good is the test, if it's a fresh install while the other one is not? |
| 07:20.40 | ethanol | you mean, he has an etch install, he's going to make another one, copy everything over, then upgrade to lenny? |
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| 07:21.13 | RainbowW | ethanol: no. he's going to install etch, then upgrade to lenny and see where it fails, so he knows what to do when he attempts it for real on his production machine |
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| 07:21.23 | ethanol | I just said that |
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| 07:23.30 | jpinx-eeepc | RainbowW: why not duplicate his existing etch onto the box and do the test upgrade? |
| 07:24.01 | topangea | I think I found the method this attacker got into our system |
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| 07:25.02 | jpinx-eeepc | topangea: do tell and we can try again :) |
| 07:25.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | he seduced your administrator? |
| 07:25.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | or she |
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| 07:25.24 | t0d0r | ethanol: yes I will upgrade to lenny, but this is production server and I must be sure that all will pass without problems. |
| 07:25.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | t0d0r, the question was why you didn'T clone the production server directly |
| 07:25.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | for which no cd is needed |
| 07:26.20 | jpinx-eeepc | CutMeOwnThroat: wotIsed |
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| 07:26.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | jpinx-eeepc, it's like tetris |
| 07:27.09 | t0d0r | CutMeOwnThroat: how is that possible ? server is on DC in germany, i'm in buglaria. My idea was to make base install on etch and then rsync is there any other solutions ? |
| 07:27.45 | t0d0r | Bulgaria, I mean |
| 07:28.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | lots |
| 07:28.12 | jpinx-eeepc | t0d0r: she vidim ;) |
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| 07:29.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | copy the raw disk via the net onto an equivalent partition... tar the whole thing, untar on new partition, boot into it with a rescue disk and make it bootable |
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| 07:32.44 | lord_koala | Hi guys. I have a very newbie question. I am using Debian Lenny and I installed MySql. I type mysql -D <databasename> -p and if I do that under root, MySql doesn't accept the password. I can only access MySql via a user. Where can I edit which users can have access to specific databases? Thanks. |
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| 07:33.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | \o/ |
| 07:33.29 | jpinx-eeepc | lord_koala: iirc MySQL passwords are not the same as system passords |
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| 07:34.58 | lord_koala | jpinx-eeepc I see.. I thought the root has no password assigned.. but even though I leave the password blank, it doesn't accept. Is there a pre-defined root password? |
| 07:35.23 | lord_koala | Or is there a way to find out what the password assigned to root in MySql? |
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| 07:35.31 | jpinx-eeepc | lord_koala: dunno - rtfm for mysql ? ;) |
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| 07:36.05 | lord_koala | jpinx-eeepc What is rtfm? |
| 07:36.16 | t0d0r | lord_koala: this one is rtfm http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/recover-mysql-root-password.html |
| 07:36.33 | lord_koala | t0d0r Oh.. thanks. |
| 07:36.35 | jpinx-eeepc | !rtfm |
| 07:36.35 | dpkg | rtfm is, like, Read The Fucking Manual. If you want to ask a question about foo, please read man foo; before asking. If there isn't a manpage about foo, use apropos to find one. Reading manuals helps us help you. [You might try info foo as well.] |
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| 07:36.59 | ethanol | lord_koala: this really belongs in #mysql |
| 07:37.18 | lord_koala | ethanol I asked there and they told me to ask in #Debian :) |
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| 07:37.24 | ethanol | lord_koala: also, if you want to login without a password, don't supply the -p swith |
| 07:37.27 | ethanol | lord_koala: no they did not |
| 07:37.38 | ethanol | lord_koala: I am in #mysql 24/7 |
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| 07:38.00 | lord_koala | ethanol Yeah.. they told me that my question is related to Debian.. |
| 07:38.09 | ethanol | because you asked the wrong question |
| 07:38.20 | jpinx-eeepc | heh -- they would, wouldn't they :) |
| 07:38.36 | lord_koala | ethanol ? I don't understand. What is the right question? |
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| 07:39.13 | ethanol | lord_koala: first of all, approach mysql directly, not os related. |
| 07:39.13 | lord_koala | ethanol I tried without -p and it did not go through as well. |
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| 07:39.19 | ethanol | lord_koala: #mysql, talk to me there |
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| 07:47.06 | RainbowW | why are both grub-legacy and grub2 failing on a fresh install on a sata drive? gui install so no detailed log easily available (is there?). i just get that there's a fatal error. |
| 07:48.51 | RainbowW | have to install lilo. stupid. |
| 07:48.55 | stockholm | i use grub-pc and that works nicely |
| 07:49.04 | stockholm | for me, on server hardware |
| 07:49.47 | topangea | ok |
| 07:49.57 | topangea | I think I found the security hole the attacker breached :p |
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| 07:51.20 | RainbowW | does the expert installer not set root and user passwords correctly? wtf? |
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| 07:52.05 | stockholm | i am guessing your keyboard layout changes inbetween |
| 07:52.23 | RainbowW | from en-us to what? |
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| 07:53.22 | RainbowW | this is stupid, having to rescue a fresh install so i can recover a mis-set password. wtf!!! |
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| 07:54.06 | jaggz | I need some help, seriously.. I somehow messed up my postfix config and now it's an open relay. Is anyone familiar with postfix who can help me? I have postfix -n output ready (but don't want to put the URL in open). I think I've gotten our server blacklisted now :( |
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| 07:54.32 | RainbowW | jaggz: #postfix? |
| 07:55.22 | jpinx-eeepc | !tell RainbowW about ifrp |
| 07:55.39 | jaggz | Yeah, I've been trying there, rainbow |
| 07:55.43 | stockholm | RainbowW: the code for the password and login is tested for about a decade. i think you screwed up in a creative way |
| 07:56.17 | RainbowW | stockholm: on BOTH users? on BOTH entries? that takes some doing. |
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| 07:56.35 | stockholm | RainbowW: yes. |
| 07:56.56 | stockholm | RainbowW: it has been tested for even more then two users |
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| 07:58.10 | RainbowW | stockholm: that's interesting, since /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow have no valid password set for root, and the user i created during the graphical expert install doesn't exist. |
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| 07:58.55 | RainbowW | ergo, the well-tested code appears to have a bug somewhere |
| 08:00.20 | jpinx-eeepc | RainbowW: the bug - if it exists would more likely exist in the installer |
| 08:00.49 | RainbowW | jpinx-eeepc: uh, that was my point, since this appears on first install after initial reboot, at the user's first login? |
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| 08:01.31 | [Jasper] | hej guys, is it possible to make logrotate work on an hourly basis/ |
| 08:01.39 | jpinx-eeepc | RainbowW: sorry - i have not ben following the details of your thread, but installers can go wrong.... |
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| 08:02.16 | RainbowW | jpinx-eeepc: it would appear. where do i file the bug? |
| 08:02.26 | RainbowW | (not that anyone ever responds to my bug reports) |
| 08:02.32 | jpinx-eeepc | bugs.debian.org at a guess |
| 08:02.39 | RainbowW | i mean, what package? |
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| 08:04.17 | laptop_hd | I have four laptop ide hard drives and using a usb-ide adapter i want to attach them to my netbook running gnu/linux and try and find out whether they are OK or not. since i am new to gnu/linux what tools shall i use? |
| 08:05.02 | jpinx-eeepc | laptop_hd: just plug them in |
| 08:05.13 | laptop_hd | and? |
| 08:05.24 | jpinx-eeepc | laptop_hd: whatever file manager should show them |
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| 08:05.44 | jpinx-eeepc | laptop_hd: what desktop are you using? |
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| 08:06.31 | jpinx-eeepc | frequently pops external hdd's on and off the USB slot on the eeepc |
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| 08:06.57 | makeio | hi! |
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| 08:07.48 | laptop_hd | the file manager may show the contents of the hard drive but i am not concerned about the data they currently hold. i just want to find out whether there is current or impending hardware failure i should know about. |
| 08:07.57 | RainbowW | laptop_hd: SMART does not work over USB |
| 08:08.49 | jpinx-eeepc | laptop_hd: fschk them |
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| 08:10.59 | Nazcafan | hello |
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| 08:11.22 | Nazcafan | will squeeze ship with linux 2.6.32 ? |
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| 08:11.53 | laptop_hd | jpinx-eeepc, fschk? since i can not use smart over USB, is it executing mkfs.ext3 -c /dev/sdc1 the best thing i can do? |
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| 08:13.06 | jpinx-eeepc | smart? |
| 08:13.39 | jpinx-eeepc | Nazcafan: you can upgradde the kernel to what you want |
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| 08:14.13 | jpinx-eeepc | laptop_hd: you've lost me - I can fschk my ext hdd's without problems |
| 08:14.57 | Nazcafan | jpinx-eeepc, I might want to try out kms with and ATI card, but I think (not sure) that a kernel more recent than 2.6.32 might be necessary |
| 08:15.35 | ethanol | Nazcafan: backports also has .32 for lenny |
| 08:15.56 | Nazcafan | ethanol, I use squeeze |
| 08:16.12 | ethanol | then.. why are you asking what squeeze will ship with? :< |
| 08:16.17 | jpinx-eeepc | !kernel |
| 08:16.19 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, linux-next: next-20100602, snapshot 2.6: 2.6.35-rc1-git1, mainline 2.6: 2.6.35-rc1, stable 2.6: 2.6.34 , stable 2.6.33: 2.6.33.5 , stable 2.6.32: 2.6.32.15 , stable 2.6.31: 2.6.31.13 , stable 2.6.30: 2.6.30.10 , stable 2.6.27: 2.6.27.47 , stable 2.4.37: 2.4.37.9 |
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| 08:16.38 | jpinx-eeepc | Nazcafan: ââ |
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| 08:16.57 | ngomes__ | any way to compile virtualbox-ose-modules with 2.6.30.bpo kernel ? |
| 08:16.59 | ethanol | a pity kernel upgrades require a reboot :< |
| 08:17.17 | ethanol | most of my lenny machines still run on .26 even though .32 is installed already |
| 08:17.18 | rozie | ngomes__: should do this without problem |
| 08:17.21 | jpinx-eeepc | ethanol: yea - it's about the only thing that does though |
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| 08:17.35 | ngomes__ | rozie, it fails to compile here with m-a |
| 08:17.46 | Nazcafan | jpinx-eeepc, how do I try out all those kernel versions, and don't they drag along quite a bunch of dependencies? |
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| 08:17.50 | ngomes__ | do i need something more that virtualbox-ose.source ? |
| 08:17.53 | rozie | ngomes__: try to google for this |
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| 08:18.28 | jpinx-eeepc | Nazcafan: install and test - but you might want to use a vm of some kind |
| 08:18.32 | laptop_hd | i do not want to benchmark anything. i just want to find out whether there is current or impending hardware failure i should know about *without* using smart because it does not work over usb |
| 08:18.33 | ethanol | Nazcafan: aptitude search linux-image (I think it was -image?) |
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| 08:18.43 | rozie | ngomes__: for non OSE version: http://rozie.blox.pl/2009/08/Virtualbox-i-wlasny-kernel.html |
| 08:18.43 | laptop_hd | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:18.45 | ethanol | see which are available to you |
| 08:18.50 | rozie | (use google translate) |
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| 08:19.05 | Nazcafan | ethanol, I think I'll get only the testing version |
| 08:19.10 | ethanol | laptop_hd: you pretty much can't, does that satisfy your question? |
| 08:19.23 | jpinx-eeepc | laptop_hd: I fail to understand your issue - I can check my usb mounted hdds with fschk from the cl |
| 08:19.30 | rozie | laptop_hd: SMART works over USB |
| 08:19.33 | ethanol | Nazcafan: I'm sorry, but did you actually try or what? |
| 08:19.43 | ngomes__ | rozie, what lan is it ? |
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| 08:20.00 | rozie | laptop_hd: you need smartmontools from testing (or backport) |
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| 08:20.02 | ethanol | ngomes__: .pl is usually polish |
| 08:20.03 | rozie | ngomes__: PL |
| 08:20.04 | jpinx-eeepc | Nazcafan: you really sound like you need vm's |
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| 08:20.21 | rozie | ngomes__: you have google translate widget on the page |
| 08:20.36 | Nazcafan | jpinx-eeepc, never tried them, are they difficult to install? |
| 08:20.49 | jpinx-eeepc | Nazcafan: I believe not |
| 08:21.10 | laptop_hd | rozie, since when does SMART work over USB? |
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| 08:21.19 | rozie | laptop_hd: as above |
| 08:21.35 | mrfoobar | it is said that when copying the system drive to another hard disk you should first drop to single user mode (init 1), but would it be ok to first 'rsync -avx' a fully live system to a new disk and then boot the new disk to single user mode and then do another rsync? |
| 08:22.29 | Nazcafan | ethanol, you were right, thanks |
| 08:22.32 | rozie | laptop_hd: ii smartmontools 5.39.1+svn3060-1 at least |
| 08:23.20 | degato | mrfoobar: cp -ax /diskA /diskB |
| 08:23.51 | mrfoobar | degato: what? |
| 08:24.15 | degato | mrfoobar: why not use cp not rsync? |
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| 08:24.39 | RainbowW | cuz cp sucks? |
| 08:25.22 | mrfoobar | i guess it wouldn't work since i would be running on the diskB |
| 08:25.30 | degato | never seen problems with cp |
| 08:25.37 | ngomes__ | rozie, http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/debian deb lenny non-free |
| 08:25.38 | ngomes__ | ops |
| 08:25.47 | ngomes__ | Err http://download.virtualbox.org deb/lenny Packages |
| 08:25.47 | ngomes__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:26.14 | degato | just need to recover MBR on diskB, grub |
| 08:26.30 | degato | works for me |
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| 08:27.27 | jpinx-eeepc | judd: versions virtualbox |
| 08:27.29 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'virtualbox' was found. |
| 08:27.37 | RainbowW | i wonder how many months it will take to set up this mirror. :-/ |
| 08:27.39 | rozie | ngomes__: http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/debian/ in browser works fine |
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| 08:27.47 | degato | judd: virtualbox-ose |
| 08:27.57 | mrfoobar | i wonder what kind of risks there are copying a live system to another disk |
| 08:28.11 | jpinx-eeepc | ngomes__: there is a vm in the debian repos you can aptitiude install |
| 08:28.31 | RainbowW | mrfoobar: some stuff, like /dev, won't work right. some stuff, like /var, will be open and can cause problems. |
| 08:28.32 | degato | mrfoobar: real-time changes in some files |
| 08:28.52 | mrfoobar | i've done it few times and never noticed anything breaking |
| 08:29.28 | jpinx-eeepc | !tell ngomes__ about virtualbox |
| 08:29.28 | ngomes__ | rozie, your source.list line is badly formed |
| 08:29.32 | WormFood | mrfoobar, remount the filesystem as read-only, and you won't have any problems |
| 08:29.44 | ngomes__ | jpinx-eeepc, I KNOW I HAVE IT ON REPOS THANKS A LOT |
| 08:29.52 | mrfoobar | WormFood: remount system partition as read-only? |
| 08:29.58 | WormFood | yes |
| 08:30.21 | mrfoobar | well isn't that like init 1 |
| 08:30.46 | WormFood | no, that is single user mode |
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| 08:31.16 | mrfoobar | im not sure how you would remount the system partition |
| 08:31.17 | degato | mrfoobar: boot from live-cd or usb or another drive |
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| 08:32.44 | mrfoobar | im not even sure why init 1 would make it more ok to copy the system |
| 08:32.46 | mrfoobar | is it even true? |
| 08:33.17 | mrfoobar | cause youd think having the FS read-only would be the only way to do it |
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| 08:36.33 | degato | not only but it is better |
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| 08:39.01 | RainbowW | i remember xinerama being a huge pita to set up. is that still true? |
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| 08:41.00 | Rada | RainbowW: If you have working drivers, it's just a matter of enabling it |
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| 08:52.13 | tom | i tried apt-get install lib64gcc1 and now i get: /bin/ls: Accessing a corrupted shared library |
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| 08:52.26 | tom | i cannot run any executable, any ideas how to fix that? |
| 08:53.23 | simonrvn | find out which one it is and aptitude reinstall it |
| 08:53.31 | jelly | tom: which debian release are... were you using? |
| 08:53.31 | tom | bash: /usr/bin/aptitude: Accessing a corrupted shared library |
| 08:53.38 | simonrvn | you'll need the install cd to use as a rescue cd |
| 08:53.53 | tom | lenny |
| 08:54.07 | tom | i can boot in rescue mode and then what should i do there? |
| 08:54.27 | jelly | tom: does ldd work? |
| 08:54.34 | tom | bash: /usr/bin/ldd: /bin/bash: bad interpreter: Accessing a corrupted shared library |
| 08:54.54 | simonrvn | i doubt you can even reboot without using magic sysrq |
| 08:55.00 | jelly | tom: do you have busybox or sash installed? |
| 08:55.21 | tom | probably not |
| 08:55.40 | tom | also i'm there through ssh, my provider has a rescue mode so i am gonna trigger that |
| 08:55.49 | jelly | well, now you know why having a statically linked shell nearby is good |
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| 08:57.18 | tom | hm. can anyone tell me what to do in the rescue mode? can i chroot and then remove that "library"? |
| 08:57.24 | axe | perhaps you can manually remove all files from this package |
| 08:58.17 | jelly | tom: a very common library, perhaps libc, is broken at the moment; you'll have to reinstall it |
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| 08:58.55 | jelly | tom: chroot won't work because the shell isn't able to start in it |
| 08:59.01 | tom | jelly: here's how it broke: http://dpaste.com/202168/ |
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| 09:00.40 | RainbowW | w00t. chrome for debian. |
| 09:01.06 | jelly | tom: why did you install libc6-amd64 anyway? |
| 09:01.23 | jelly | tom: er, make that, whatever you tried to install (lib64gcc1) |
| 09:01.32 | tom | i have a 64 bit kernel and 32 bit binaries, i tried to compile something using -m64 and it didn't work |
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| 09:01.54 | tom | so i thought this would be the right thing to install to make it work |
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| 09:02.06 | tom | lib64gcc1 - GCC support library (64bit) |
| 09:02.18 | tom | didn't say anything about replacing libc |
| 09:02.27 | tom | not even a warning when i apt-get installed it |
| 09:02.33 | cantido | tom: do you have an error .. "it didn't work" doesn't explain a lot |
| 09:02.44 | jelly | cantido: <tom> jelly: here's how it broke: http://dpaste.com/202168/ |
| 09:02.49 | tom | /usr/bin/ld: skipping incompatible /usr/lib/gcc/i486-linux-gnu/4.3.2/libgcc.a when searching for -lgcc |
| 09:02.51 | jelly | cantido: /lastlog is your friend |
| 09:02.56 | tom | this is what i got when tried to -m64 |
| 09:03.21 | tom | but anyway, now i have a more serious problem. waiting for provider to restart the server in rescue mode ;) |
| 09:03.52 | cantido | isn't sure how the 64bit stuff works in a 32bit userland |
| 09:04.02 | jelly | tom: making and using an amd64 chroot would probably fare better |
| 09:04.32 | tom | i actually thought that was a 64 bit debian because the kernel was x64 |
| 09:05.02 | jelly | it's i386 (32bit) all right |
| 09:05.07 | cantido | tom: is it a vps or similar? |
| 09:05.13 | tom | no |
| 09:05.58 | simonrvn | you can run a 64b kernelspace with 32b userspace |
| 09:06.00 | cantido | mmm there are 64bit kernels in i386 though, and by the look of it some 64bit libraries |
| 09:06.48 | simonrvn | ppc64, amd64 both can do it (i imagine all 64b arches can...) |
| 09:07.26 | cantido | sparc64 is a 64bit kernel with 32bit userland IIRC |
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| 09:09.27 | cantido | tom: even if you install the lib64 glibc your 32bit stuff should work.. it should use the 32bit libc. The "skipping incompatible" bit suggests that the binary is looking for the 64bit libc |
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| 09:10.08 | tom | strange |
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| 09:10.43 | lamah | re |
| 09:10.44 | lamah | what is packages for grub/grub2 splash images, etc. ? |
| 09:10.50 | lamah | names i mean |
| 09:11.26 | cantido | tom: does you ld config reference the lib64 path anywhere? |
| 09:11.53 | cantido | s/you/your/ |
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| 09:12.04 | RainbowW | blah. |
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| 09:12.16 | RainbowW | i need a faster pipe. |
| 09:12.42 | RainbowW | my pr0n isn't coming in fast enough. |
| 09:13.01 | tom | cantido: i can't really look anything up now as i can't run any executables... |
| 09:13.10 | tom | i'll check everything when they put the rescue system up |
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| 09:21.59 | elturcin | hello, anyone here using vmware workstation with ubuntu 64bit and a ati card drivers? I got windows 7 running and as soon as I turn on Aero mode the image becomes all scramled and I can't see anything |
| 09:22.15 | elturcin | I guess it's more of a vmware question but I have no idea where to ask :) |
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| 09:22.56 | RainbowW | !tell elturcin about ubuntu |
| 09:22.57 | liable | try #ubuntu for starters |
| 09:23.37 | elturcin | no response! :) |
| 09:24.07 | RainbowW | you've gotten as polite a response as you will get from people in #debian, so if you don't want to be insulted, ignored, and ridiculed (not necessarily in that order) go elsewhere immediately. |
| 09:24.09 | elturcin | but I don't think it's a ubuntu problem anyway, been reading on forums about this issue and it's not ubuntu specific, more likely vmware, was just wondering if anyone here is having the same issue |
| 09:24.54 | jpinx-eeepc | elturcin: /join #vmware |
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| 09:25.04 | elturcin | RainbowW: I just got a more polite answer |
| 09:25.23 | elturcin | seems like you got some insecurity issues |
| 09:25.27 | elturcin | jpinx-eeepc: thanks |
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| 09:25.53 | cantido | why would you use a feature that makes excessive use of hardware graphics acceleration in a vm anyway |
| 09:26.17 | RainbowW | because he's a dumbass? |
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| 09:32.46 | antii | hm, if im missing "lighttpd" file in /etc/init.d/, how can I get it back there? :/ cannot start the service.. |
| 09:33.05 | jpinx-eeepc | antii: reistall it? |
| 09:33.09 | rozie | reinstall lighttpd |
| 09:33.16 | tom | jelly: until they put the rescue system up... do you think i can somehow load the other libc? i tried "LD_PRELOAD=/lib/i686/cmov/libc.so.6 ls" or "LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/lib/i686/cmov ls" which didn't change anything |
| 09:33.20 | jpinx-eeepc | that too.... |
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| 09:34.13 | antii | jpinx-eeepc: still not working. |
| 09:34.50 | jpinx-eeepc | antii: did reinstalling not create the file in /etc/init.d ? |
| 09:34.53 | antii | nope |
| 09:35.05 | jpinx-eeepc | too wierd for me mate ;) |
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| 09:35.57 | rozie | antii: copy the file from deb, then |
| 09:36.12 | rozie | observing rights |
| 09:37.43 | antii | rozie: where is that located? |
| 09:37.47 | jpinx-eeepc | antii: how are you installing it? |
| 09:37.52 | antii | jpinx-eeepc: apt-get install ? |
| 09:38.00 | jpinx-eeepc | antii: try aptitude |
| 09:38.22 | jpinx-eeepc | and use aptitude reinstall |
| 09:38.48 | jpinx-eeepc | do do aptitude install when it's there alreDY WILL DO NOTHING |
| 09:38.55 | antii | still not getting a file in init.d |
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| 09:40.09 | couannette | Hi all |
| 09:40.22 | couannette | someone knows well "reprepro" ? |
| 09:40.27 | jelly | tom: I'd use dpkg --root=... to remove the package, then try chrooting to see if it helps |
| 09:40.32 | antii | now so jpinx-eeepc ! |
| 09:40.47 | antii | just did a "dpkg --purge lighttpd" and did a "aptitude install lighttpd" |
| 09:40.47 | antii | :) |
| 09:41.00 | jelly | tom: that's after you get the rescue booted up, sorry |
| 09:41.58 | jpinx-eeepc | antii: I am still surprised that "aptitude reinstall" didn't work |
| 09:42.12 | jpinx-eeepc | antii: maybe with the -f option |
| 09:42.12 | antii | yep :s |
| 09:42.18 | couannette | I've an issue with reprepro: cannot feed in 2 builds (same package) for i386, amd64, that have different signature (in .changes or .dsc) |
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| 09:42.34 | antii | hm |
| 09:42.46 | antii | jpinx-eeepc: can I see in someway that lighttpd is running (except ps aux) ? |
| 09:43.54 | jpinx-eeepc | antii: use /etc/init.d and see the output when you ask for a restart |
| 09:44.05 | antii | Starting web server: lighttpd. |
| 09:44.08 | jpinx-eeepc | if it's not running it won't shut down |
| 09:44.16 | antii | if i write killall lighttpd, it just replies lighttpd: no process killed |
| 09:44.19 | antii | something is wrong :( |
| 09:44.34 | jpinx-eeepc | killall is dangerous |
| 09:44.52 | jpinx-eeepc | do ps -e and see the ps number then kill that |
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| 09:45.02 | nsadmin | antii: ps aux | cat |
| 09:45.12 | nsadmin | and look at the actual process name' |
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| 09:46.09 | jpinx-eeepc | antii: arbitarily killall some vague process name is a recipe for disaster |
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| 09:47.04 | rvsjoen | pkill is better in that case |
| 09:47.21 | tom | jelly: ok rescue system is there now. let's see |
| 09:47.52 | antii | still cant see it running |
| 09:47.53 | antii | odd |
| 09:47.54 | jpinx-eeepc | rvsjoen: he has to identify the process(es) first ;) |
| 09:48.24 | jpinx-eeepc | antii: maybe tail the syslog while you do a start |
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| 09:49.31 | tom | jelly: now i get this: http://dpaste.com/202174/ |
| 09:49.40 | nsadmin | antii: what port you have it running on? 80? |
| 09:49.43 | antii | nsadmin: yes |
| 09:49.55 | nsadmin | telnet localhost 80 |
| 09:50.03 | nsadmin | just to see if it's there |
| 09:50.08 | antii | telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused |
| 09:50.09 | antii | wtf |
| 09:50.10 | antii | :/ |
| 09:50.16 | nsadmin | so it's not there |
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| 09:50.28 | antii | it has WORKED before, dunno what could have happend :) |
| 09:50.38 | nsadmin | don't get mad :P this is good info |
| 09:50.43 | antii | ok |
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| 09:51.02 | nsadmin | maybe an earlier killall worked |
| 09:51.11 | nsadmin | who knows; in any case it's not up now |
| 09:51.21 | antii | whats not up |
| 09:51.21 | antii | lol |
| 09:51.44 | jpinx-eeepc | too trigger happy with killall ;) |
| 09:51.58 | nsadmin | well actually that's probably a good question IF you have more than one web server on that box configured to run on 80 |
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| 09:52.31 | antii | hm |
| 09:52.58 | nsadmin | what's certainly a fact now is none of them occupy 80 now |
| 09:53.32 | antii | when lighttpd didnt work i installed apache and then uninstalled apache igen |
| 09:53.33 | antii | again P: |
| 09:53.56 | nsadmin | well you really have to watch the log while you start it |
| 09:54.08 | jpinx-eeepc | antii: you might have to manually remove the config file for apache |
| 09:54.33 | jpinx-eeepc | antii: and i did say to tail the syslog and do a start |
| 09:54.45 | antii | jpinx-eeepc: where is that config file? |
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| 09:55.00 | nsadmin | syslog is /var/log/syslog |
| 09:55.02 | nsadmin | but |
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| 09:55.18 | nsadmin | find out what lighttpd logs to |
| 09:55.24 | tom | how can i resolve this problem: chroot /mnt gives chroot: cannot run command `/bin/bash': No such file or directory however /mnt/bin/bash executes |
| 09:55.27 | jpinx-eeepc | antii: tail -f /var/log/syslog and do a start |
| 09:55.36 | antii | jpinx-eeepc: on lighttpd ? |
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| 09:56.01 | jpinx-eeepc | antii: or a restart - yes we are trying to get lighttpd to work I believe ;) |
| 09:56.25 | BlackFate | tom maybe /mnt/lib is missing? |
| 09:56.43 | jpinx-eeepc | antii: and check ps -e | grep apache to make sure there are no hung processes there |
| 09:56.44 | tom | hm no: |
| 09:56.51 | antii | jpinx-eeepc: if I do that and have the tail -f /var/log/syslog open at the same time, I cant see anything about lighttpd |
| 09:56.54 | tom | BlackFate: ldd /mnt/bin/bash says libc.so.6 => /lib32/libc.so.6 (0xf7d7d000) however /lib32 does not exist |
| 09:57.15 | antii | jpinx-eeepc: if I grep both apache and lighttpd, i get no response :/ |
| 09:57.16 | tom | how can i make it use /lib/i686/cmov/libc.so.6 instead? |
| 09:57.22 | BlackFate | tom /lib32/libc.so.6 means /mnt/lib32.... |
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| 09:57.37 | jpinx-eeepc | antii: no response to what? |
| 09:57.48 | tom | BlackFate: so /mnt/lib32 does not exist, (but /lib32 does). however it should use /mnt/lib/i686/cmov/libc.so.6 |
| 09:57.49 | antii | jpinx-eeepc: i got nothing |
| 09:57.53 | antii | if u understand |
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| 09:58.13 | BlackFate | tom: ye.. give it a try |
| 09:58.19 | tom | BlackFate: how can i make it use the right one? :) |
| 09:58.30 | jpinx-eeepc | antii: got nothing in reponse to what command? |
| 09:58.34 | antii | grep |
| 09:58.41 | BlackFate | tom: see with ldd the liblist and only move the libs you want |
| 09:59.39 | tom | BlackFate: can i not move the libs but tell it where to find the libs? |
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| 10:00.02 | jpinx-eeepc | antii: ok - first of all make sure you have cleared out the config and other files from the old apache install |
| 10:00.10 | BlackFate | tom: just cp the /lib32 to /mnt/lib32 |
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| 10:00.16 | jpinx-eeepc | antii: basically start to tidy up your mess ;) |
| 10:00.28 | antii | jpinx-eeepc: yes, did remove whole /etc/apache2 folder :P |
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| 10:01.11 | jpinx-eeepc | antii: ok - btw . is there a /etc/lighttpd folder |
| 10:01.24 | antii | yes |
| 10:02.06 | jpinx-eeepc | antii: I would use aptitude and purge lighttpd, remove its configs and then do a clean install using aptitude |
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| 10:02.12 | nsadmin | shouldn;'t it just start when you install the package? |
| 10:02.30 | jpinx-eeepc | nsadmin: yes, but something's b0rked.. |
| 10:02.44 | nsadmin | local problem? |
| 10:02.59 | jpinx-eeepc | aptitude usuall starts it on install |
| 10:02.59 | [Jasper] | can anyone here tell me if it's possible to change logrotate to function on a hourly basis instead of daily? |
| 10:03.10 | nsadmin | what debian are you running antii? |
| 10:03.15 | antii | nsadmin: stable |
| 10:03.20 | jpinx-eeepc | [Jasper]: man logrotate |
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| 10:04.35 | nsadmin | ok, I must have something on 80 |
| 10:04.41 | nsadmin | on my local box |
| 10:05.16 | nsadmin | must be apache "It works!" |
| 10:05.24 | antii | jpinx-eeepc: ok, removed lighttpd with "dpkg --purge lighttpd" and removed the folder /etc/lighttpd completley |
| 10:05.29 | antii | jpinx-eeepc: should i just aptitude install lighttpd now ? |
| 10:05.53 | jpinx-eeepc | antii: I specifically said use aptitude -- not dpkg |
| 10:05.59 | antii | ah |
| 10:06.00 | antii | oh |
| 10:06.06 | jpinx-eeepc | !why aptitude |
| 10:06.06 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often find a solution where apt-get gives up. It can be used from the command line like apt-get plus an interactive resolver makes it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). |
| 10:06.29 | antii | OMG |
| 10:06.31 | antii | its working now jpinx-eeepc !!! |
| 10:06.33 | antii | thanks |
| 10:06.40 | jpinx-eeepc | yea - well...... |
| 10:06.55 | xand | so how do you switch to aptitude... i.e. make it not remove half you system because it thinks the packages are not needed? |
| 10:07.10 | jpinx-eeepc | what's that factoid about the chair/keyboard interface ? :) |
| 10:07.44 | jpinx-eeepc | xand: if you are running stable with backorts, aptitude "just works" |
| 10:07.52 | nsadmin | pebkak |
| 10:07.55 | nsadmin | ??? |
| 10:08.01 | xand | not using backports |
| 10:08.07 | nsadmin | !pebkac |
| 10:08.07 | dpkg | somebody said pebkac was Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair, or PEBCAK, PEBMAC, PICNIC, PEBRHAL |
| 10:08.18 | jpinx-eeepc | nsadmin: ;) |
| 10:08.46 | jpinx-eeepc | xand: you should be good to go then - unless you have been installing stuff by hand ;) |
| 10:08.47 | nsadmin | there's also the id-ten-tee problem but we won't go there :) |
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| 10:09.10 | jpinx-eeepc | nsadmin: dunno that one...... |
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| 10:09.32 | nsadmin | write id, the number ten, the letter tee... |
| 10:09.43 | nsadmin | you'll see the problem right away |
| 10:09.54 | antii | jpinx-eeepc: lol, got no files in /etc/lighttpd/conf-enabled/ now :( |
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| 10:10.46 | jpinx-eeepc | antii: it's running - you probably need to create something for it to work with |
| 10:10.51 | nsadmin | jpinx-eeepc, but I don't think that problem exists here, other than mucking around before |
| 10:10.52 | antii | ah |
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| 10:10.56 | antii | nvm jpinx-eeepc thx for all help :-) |
| 10:11.09 | jpinx-eeepc | nsadmin: I did that in /msg to dpkg :) |
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| 10:11.39 | nsadmin | what did it say |
| 10:11.40 | jpinx-eeepc | antii: you are running now, so hopefully you can make it do what you want |
| 10:11.57 | nsadmin | it should say It Works! |
| 10:12.18 | antii | jpinx-eeepc: wtf! :/ after I enabled php5-cgi for lighttpd I cant access it again :( |
| 10:12.20 | RainbowW | so after trying to configure my dual-head setup in gnome monitor prefs, i get an error: required virtual size does not fit available size: requested=(3290,1050), minimum=(320,200), maximum=(1680,1680). where is this configured? |
| 10:12.24 | jpinx-eeepc | nsadmin: nah - dpkg was wuite bored with it and just gave me the meaning |
| 10:12.24 | nsadmin | telnet localhost 80 |
| 10:12.32 | nsadmin | GET / |
| 10:13.34 | jpinx-eeepc | antii: you are into webserver troubles now, not really debian ;) |
| 10:13.39 | antii | ah |
| 10:14.03 | nsadmin | once you get the "It works!" you're on your way |
| 10:14.03 | jpinx-eeepc | antii: but what nsadmin suggests is good - test and tail your syslog |
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| 10:16.15 | nsadmin | antii: you should purge it from aptitude |
| 10:16.20 | [Jasper] | jpinx-eeepc why should I man logrotate? |
| 10:16.33 | nsadmin | to leanr how it works? |
| 10:16.40 | nsadmin | unless you don't want to know |
| 10:16.42 | [Jasper] | I know how it works? |
| 10:16.51 | [Jasper] | I know there's not a hourly function? |
| 10:16.57 | [Jasper] | I'm just asking if it's somehow possible |
| 10:16.58 | antii | nsadmin: purge what? lol |
| 10:17.06 | nsadmin | lighttpd |
| 10:17.42 | nsadmin | I installed it (on stable) and once apache2 was out of the way it "just worked" |
| 10:17.46 | jpinx-eeepc | antii: I think I stand by the original advice - use aptitude to purge, manually r4emovee config files and use aptitude to install again |
| 10:17.58 | nsadmin | yeah |
| 10:18.03 | antii | ok done that now |
| 10:18.08 | antii | now install with aptitude install lighttpd ? |
| 10:18.12 | jpinx-eeepc | antii: stop taking shortcuts |
| 10:18.15 | nsadmin | yes |
| 10:18.27 | nsadmin | then check /etc/lighttpd |
| 10:18.42 | antii | ok, its Working now again. |
| 10:18.54 | nsadmin | good :) |
| 10:18.56 | antii | but if I wanna enable the php5-cgi module i think it will break :( |
| 10:18.58 | jpinx-eeepc | antii: did you manually remove the old configs for lighttpd ? |
| 10:19.02 | antii | jpinx-eeepc: yep |
| 10:19.27 | jpinx-eeepc | antii: dunno about the cgi version of php - I never used it |
| 10:19.31 | nsadmin | you'll want to back up the dir so you can restore the original |
| 10:19.55 | nsadmin | cgi is very seriously yesterday's petunias |
| 10:20.14 | antii | ok |
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| 10:20.18 | nsadmin | fastcgi requires you to write an event loop |
| 10:20.49 | nsadmin | not having pooled db connections is also |
| 10:21.04 | antii | ok |
| 10:21.09 | antii | gonna try enable fastcgi again |
| 10:21.19 | nsadmin | in the former case, does your unix like to fork like a million times a day? or open a db connection that often? |
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| 10:21.54 | nsadmin | , versions openacs |
| 10:21.56 | judd | openacs -- sid: 5.5.1-3; squeeze: 5.5.1-3 |
| 10:22.35 | nsadmin | you could try that... but it is several steep learning curves |
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| 10:24.45 | nsadmin | greenpeace.org uses openacs I think still |
| 10:26.33 | nsadmin | scorecard.org uses the original acs |
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| 10:28.08 | nsadmin | photo.net probably uses a very early precursor to acs |
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| 11:14.44 | pardavila | hi |
| 11:15.05 | pardavila | does anybody know a website for learning how to configure touchscreens on debian? |
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| 11:20.35 | WhiteCrow1 | hi all |
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| 11:21.22 | RainbowW | so kde's startup sound works, but other apps can't seem to make noise, eg video players or web browsers. what did i miss about turning sound on generally? this also happens in gnome |
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| 11:26.45 | sepult | hrm, iceweasel has problems, when i change the cpufreq to performance and back to ondemand, it will not react anymore |
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| 11:27.14 | sepult | i mean, very slowly, and then in the end the whole system hangs |
| 11:29.09 | RainbowW | i would imagine so |
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| 11:30.55 | sepult | when i kill it, all get back to responsive |
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| 11:32.43 | RainbowW | maybe that's mozilla's way of telling you they don't like it when you jack with your cpu speed? |
| 11:32.58 | sepult | lol |
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| 11:35.00 | lamah | does debian haves a ipchains or its removed? |
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| 11:35.33 | RainbowW | ipchains is obsolete |
| 11:35.44 | sepult | ipchains is old, it now is named iptables |
| 11:35.55 | petemc | its successor is named iptables |
| 11:36.05 | lamah | aa ok |
| 11:36.06 | lamah | thanks |
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| 11:36.49 | RainbowW | wtf am i missing with this sound thing? it's pissing me off |
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| 11:40.56 | axthek | hi folks, i couldn't find information to the following problem online |
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| 11:41.05 | axthek | i use mpd and sonata on debian squeeze |
| 11:41.24 | axthek | i can add songs to my playlist and can play them |
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| 11:41.41 | axthek | but i get the following error "No read rights" |
| 11:41.58 | axthek | and can't use the buttons (play, stop, pause, ...) nor the volume |
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| 11:42.10 | axthek | does anybody got a hint for me ? |
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| 11:43.21 | [Jasper] | can anyone tell me if it's possible to us elogrotate on an hourly basis? |
| 11:43.39 | RainbowW | [Jasper], yeah, probably. |
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| 11:44.39 | RainbowW | [Jasper], actually, looking at the man page, no, daily is as frequently as you can go with logrotate, although it will do size as well |
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| 11:44.57 | abrotman | [Jasper]: depends, what is the criteria for rotation? |
| 11:46.37 | tom | jelly: phew. managed to fix the server by restoring from backup |
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| 11:47.17 | Backup | you are welcome |
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| 11:50.26 | jelly | tom: backups rule! |
| 11:52.00 | abrotman | not as much as not needing them in the first place! :) |
| 11:52.10 | tom | yes they do. especially when they are not corrupt |
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| 11:56.06 | Caelum | can you make multiple .xsession scripts and choose one from gdm? |
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| 12:02.27 | eshat | Hi all, I have two almost same image galleries and i want to delete all files in gallery1 that already exisit in gallery2, what is the best way to do that ? I already tried rsync and kdiff3 but couldn't find an option. |
| 12:03.02 | abrotman | fdupes ? |
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| 12:04.43 | eshat | sorry, have been kicked... any answers, that I missed ? |
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| 12:08.00 | ethanol | eshat: abrotman said 'fdupes ?' |
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| 12:08.00 | eshat | ethanol: thanks, I ll check that |
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| 12:09.43 | abrotman | judd: info fdupes --release lenny |
| 12:09.44 | judd | fdupes (utils, optional): identifies duplicate files within given directories. Version: 1.50-PR2-1; Size: 17.1k; Installed: 80k; Homepage: http://netdial.caribe.net/~adrian2/programs/fdupes.html |
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| 12:18.52 | mike77800 | is there a way to change /dev/sdb to /dev/sdc without rebooting? |
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| 12:20.08 | Caelum | mike77800: unmount them and plug them in in a different order? :) |
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| 12:20.35 | themill | eshat: don't cross-post, btw. /msg dpkg cross post |
| 12:21.05 | wols | michalxo: only if your system is hotplug-capable. but you'd knew if it were |
| 12:21.57 | mike77800 | Caelum, wols it is a usb drive |
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| 12:22.07 | Veejay | Hi guys |
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| 12:22.27 | Veejay | Is there a way to install say the Apache package but not have it automatically start upon install? |
| 12:22.52 | OpenTokix | Veejay: Can't you just stop it? |
| 12:23.02 | Veejay | I could |
| 12:23.04 | Veejay | Indeed |
| 12:23.06 | Veejay | That would be easy |
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| 12:23.22 | OpenTokix | ... but I also made my kids standing a canoe, I wanna do it the hard way |
| 12:23.51 | Veejay | But my question is about having the service not start automatically upon install, which seems like a sane enough requirement |
| 12:23.57 | mike77800 | OpenTokix: thats the spirit! |
| 12:24.14 | jelly | OpenTokix: you were standing a canoe and got jumped? |
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| 12:25.40 | OpenTokix | Veejay: Let me see if I understand you correctly. - You don't want it autostarted when you install, but later. - Or you never want to autostart but have it installed? |
| 12:26.07 | Veejay | I don't it autostarted when I install it |
| 12:26.16 | Veejay | I want it to get install and then start it manually |
| 12:26.21 | ethanol | Veejay: no can do |
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| 12:26.27 | ethanol | Veejay: unless you build it yourself |
| 12:26.33 | Veejay | I see |
| 12:26.40 | Veejay | That might be a solution |
| 12:26.49 | Veejay | Thanks a lot everyone |
| 12:26.56 | Veejay | Have a good day |
| 12:26.57 | OpenTokix | Veejay: but I still don't understand |
| 12:26.58 | petemc | Veejay: have a look at usr/share/doc/sysv-rc/README.policy-rc.d.gz |
| 12:26.59 | OpenTokix | Veejay: hold on |
| 12:27.04 | Veejay | Yes? |
| 12:27.11 | [Jasper] | abrotman criteria is every hour |
| 12:27.15 | themill | dpkg: tell Veejay about policy-rc.d |
| 12:27.20 | OpenTokix | Veejay: Is it the fact that the install script start it, or the fact that it starts when the machine is booted? |
| 12:27.27 | Veejay | The install script |
| 12:27.30 | OpenTokix | ok |
| 12:27.39 | [Jasper] | so instead of daily I want hourly |
| 12:27.52 | Veejay | The install script FORCES you to have it started, which might or might not be what you wish |
| 12:28.22 | OpenTokix | Veejay: yes, I personally can't think of a single instance when it would be an issue. |
| 12:28.25 | eshat | ok, the problem with fdupes is that I can't decide to deleted duplicate diles in which source automatically |
| 12:28.30 | abrotman | [Jasper]: based on size or just every hour? |
| 12:28.33 | OpenTokix | Veejay: but I dont think it's doable the way you want with apt-get. |
| 12:29.06 | Veejay | That's unfortunate, but I guess it's what most people want anyway (have it started automatically I mean) |
| 12:29.34 | themill | Veejay: have you read the documentation that we've pointed you to yet? (OpenTokix is not correct in what he is saying) |
| 12:30.18 | [Jasper] | just every hour abrotman |
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| 12:31.03 | Veejay | themill: I haven't read it yet |
| 12:31.06 | Veejay | I am at work |
| 12:31.11 | Veejay | But I will |
| 12:31.43 | abrotman | [Jasper]: nope, but you can do it yourself perhaps, depends which log it is |
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| 12:32.38 | Pnux | hey, is this normal on /var/lib/dpkg/available? libkcal4 (= 4:4.4.3-1), libkdecore5 (>= 4:4.4.0- at line %d), libqtcore4 |
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| 12:32.59 | OpenTokix | themill: how will that help him? Since he is running apt-get in his current runlevel and apache2 is set to start in that runlevel? |
| 12:33.16 | themill | OpenTokix: maybe you should read the documentation too :) |
| 12:33.27 | [Jasper] | apache and proftpd abrotman |
| 12:33.37 | [Jasper] | I could make it myself..but though logrotate was a nice way to go |
| 12:33.51 | OpenTokix | themill: I did, but I am sure you're right |
| 12:34.18 | themill | OpenTokix, Veejay: one pretty horrible hacky version of policy-rc.d that will do what you want. http://paste.debian.net/75816/ |
| 12:35.00 | OpenTokix | themill: =) |
| 12:35.12 | gernot | Hi. I have a LUKS/LVM squeeze installation on my laptop. After a recent update my keyboard won't work in the LUKS passphrase screen. It works in Grub (before) and then later again, but for the passphrase I have to plug in a USB keyboard. Does somebody know something about this? |
| 12:35.19 | [Jasper] | brb |
| 12:35.22 | joltcan | why not create the /etc/default/apache2 and add NO_START=1? |
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| 12:36.06 | joltcan | and then install apache2? |
| 12:36.15 | joltcan | Veejay: ^^ |
| 12:37.57 | Veejay | That looks promising |
| 12:38.05 | Veejay | Thanks a lot everyone |
| 12:38.12 | Veejay | I have a lot of bread to chew on |
| 12:38.19 | joltcan | Dont suffocate |
| 12:38.26 | Veejay | And the outcome looks brighter now |
| 12:38.30 | Veejay | Farewell |
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| 12:41.37 | l403 | hi. I would like to request a packege to the repo. a debugging package for the gegl library that is used by gimp. how should I go about that? |
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| 12:47.25 | ablululu | hi |
| 12:47.30 | ablululu | hi |
| 12:47.53 | ablululu | is anyone using alpine and can tell me how to get the unread message count http://sourceforge.net/dbimage.php?id=218531 |
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| 12:50.21 | OutOfLine | is confused about the bootable flag of a partition. Is it obsolete? Made a squeeze install from a daily built netinstall.iso on a fresh hd today. The installer did *not* let me set the bootable flag. It just showed a box for about one second saying something like 'computing the new partition table', but did not set the flag when i tried to. grub2 booted just fine. fdisk shows that the flag is *not* set. |
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| 12:50.42 | wrksx | hi all, I want to creat a symlink to my lampp executable in order to be able to execute it from any directory. Shall I put it inside /usr/bin or /bin ? |
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| 12:51.07 | themill | wonders what a "lampp" executable is |
| 12:51.15 | wrksx | ahah |
| 12:51.42 | themill | wrksx: but in any case, you shouldn't be messing about in /usr/bin or /bin. /usr/local/bin is your place to play. |
| 12:52.23 | pallgone | OutOfLine: grub doesn't need the flag... afaik just windows/dos needs it |
| 12:52.27 | wrksx | themill, ok thanks a lot =) (lampp -> linux apache mysql php) |
| 12:53.02 | themill | wrksx: there's only one executable for all of that? You might like to investigate that all of these things are already in debian: /msg dpkg lamp |
| 12:53.34 | OutOfLine | pallgone: so it is *not* a bug, that the installer does not let me set it? |
| 12:53.36 | wrksx | themill, lol I know, it's an easy deployment package for non-production |
| 12:54.03 | wrksx | themill, it's a command that starts the deamons that's all. not really an executable I assume. |
| 12:54.04 | themill | it's easier than "aptitude install libapache2-mod-php5 mysql-server php5-mysql"? OK ... |
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| 12:55.19 | wrksx | themill, it's the same. But the configuration is already done |
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| 12:55.32 | pallgone | OutOfLine: I wouldn't think so... why should it let you set it when it's not needed? |
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| 12:55.51 | themill | wrksx: there's no configuration required from that either. |
| 12:56.57 | OutOfLine | But the BIOS is involved too, I think. So how can Debian be sure, that all BIOS versions work well without? |
| 12:57.40 | wrksx | themill, so i'll try it next time. Thanks for teaching |
| 12:57.52 | themill | wrksx: have fun! |
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| 12:59.34 | pallgone | OutOfLine: maybe you should address your question to the proper mailing list, I can't tell you more, I think it's not needed and it shouldn't cause problems |
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| 13:01.29 | jelly | OutOfLine: only some special BIOSes care about that. In general, it's not the BIOS that reads the bootable flag, but the MSDOS/Windows MBR code |
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| 13:02.06 | jelly | OutOfLine: if you have a linux only machine, that flag is useless |
| 13:02.07 | OutOfLine | So the change is deliberate, not a regression, i assume. |
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| 13:02.49 | alexisblue | hi |
| 13:02.55 | wols | OutOfLine: if a BIOS needs a bootable flag it is not PC compatible. the end |
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| 13:03.09 | jelly | wols: tell that to Lenovo! |
| 13:03.19 | wols | jelly: what did they do? |
| 13:03.37 | jelly | wols: my thinkpad needs it |
| 13:03.38 | OutOfLine | i just want to be sure that it's not a bug that should be fixed. I will look for a list to ask and study the list archives, later today... |
| 13:03.54 | wols | a BIOS loads first sector of first hdd (0x80) on address 7C00 and jumps there. that's all it's supposed to do |
| 13:04.11 | abrotman | themill: how is LAMPP linux/apache/mysql/PHP .. wtf is the last P for? |
| 13:04.19 | jelly | wols: that's the theory, yes. That's not what all of them do. |
| 13:04.23 | wols | abrotman: pray? |
| 13:04.31 | OutOfLine | jelly: did you try with grub2? |
| 13:04.32 | themill | abrotman: Pathological. |
| 13:04.37 | NiLon | abrotman perl? |
| 13:04.40 | NiLon | python? |
| 13:04.43 | jelly | OutOfLine: try what? |
| 13:04.48 | abrotman | Pwned? |
| 13:04.50 | abrotman | runs |
| 13:04.52 | wols | OutOfLine: no linux bootloader ever cared about boot flags |
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| 13:05.09 | OutOfLine | if your thinkpad needs the flag |
| 13:05.40 | \amethyst | Linux, Apache, Maybe PostgreSQL, Perl |
| 13:05.43 | \amethyst | :P |
| 13:05.44 | OutOfLine | but maybe some borked BIOS does care? |
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| 13:08.41 | pallgone | OutOfLine: I had a system here that said "no active partition found" with no OS on it... |
| 13:09.00 | pallgone | OutOfLine: I've installed squeeze... and it worked... |
| 13:09.53 | pallgone | OutOfLine: so I think the BIOS can detect it but it will not object as long as the system can boot |
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| 13:17.56 | zplinux | hi all, how can I ask: which package does file.x belongs to? |
| 13:18.15 | petemc | zplinux: dpkg -S /path/to/file |
| 13:18.22 | zplinux | sweet |
| 13:18.24 | petemc | zplinux: assuming its installed, use apt-file if its not |
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| 13:19.03 | zplinux | ok |
| 13:19.23 | zplinux | does anyone knows where to find proxmox ppl/ |
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| 13:19.36 | starenka__ | hi, i need all users to umask 002 after login/ssh i put the umask in /etc/profile but it doesn't work.. what's my problem? thanks |
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| 13:19.52 | starenka__ | (umask 002) |
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| 13:20.43 | _martin | hi, i try to install aptitude with apt-get install... but then he tells me, that openshh-client and openssh-server will be removed! but i need them, i m logged in over ssh! is there a way to install aptitude without removing the ssh tools? |
| 13:21.04 | djura-san | o/ |
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| 13:21.32 | xand | _martin: I would have thought aptitude was already installed. |
| 13:22.10 | xand | hmm |
| 13:22.18 | themill | _martin: can you please pastebin the output of "dpkg -l openssh\* aptitude dpkg libc6; apt-cache policy; apt-cache policy aptitude" |
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| 13:22.54 | _martin | i m working on a readynas machine which runs debian sarge :( |
| 13:22.55 | _martin | mom |
| 13:23.47 | _martin | http://nopaste.php-quake.net/291187 themill |
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| 13:25.35 | themill | _martin: if it really were running just sarge, this wouldn't be a problem. You have a very impressive mess there |
| 13:25.57 | _martin | im try to upgrade to etch |
| 13:26.17 | themill | and yet you already have some things from lenny :( |
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| 13:26.48 | _martin | oh my god |
| 13:28.04 | starenka__ | bump. can sbdy tell me where to put umask to be applied for every users logged in? |
| 13:28.06 | _martin | netgear published with the readynas a really freaking debian version which makes trouble every day.. so i thought an update from sarge 2 etch 2 lenny would help |
| 13:28.42 | _martin | should i try to download the aptitude packages manual and install them?l |
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| 13:30.40 | KineticBug | Kind of a silly question, but how would I just empty a log file without having to remove and remake it? like empty apache.log ? |
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| 13:31.22 | mquin | KineticBug: 'echo -n > apache.log' |
| 13:31.28 | abrotman | KineticBug: you have to SIGHUP apache when you do that |
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| 13:31.38 | mquin | if it's in use you'll need to restart the process |
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| 13:31.50 | abrotman | you can just SIGHUP apache |
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| 13:33.26 | oru_work | can anyone recommend a ticket system that would let me create custom fields and create statistic reports ? |
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| 13:34.04 | KineticBug | Oh, I can't afford to shut down apache ;x |
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| 13:34.32 | aburch | oru_work: Request Tracker might be worth a look. |
| 13:35.03 | BenjaminWilk | hello...kde or gnome @ squeeze? what would you recommend me? |
| 13:36.03 | aucabarcas | hi, i would like to ask you if this http://pastebin.com/QsEd6fzR means that i have to replace my Hdd or is just a filesystem table failure. Thanks in advance. |
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| 13:37.49 | natefoo | anyone know if it's possible to get really fast suspend/resume (a la ubuntu karmic and later) in squeeze? |
| 13:38.08 | natefoo | i'm not sure how they're doing it, and since replacing it on my netbook with debian, i can't go check. ;D |
| 13:38.13 | oru_work | is bugzilla any good ? |
| 13:38.41 | thrashold | Is there any docs about how you get suspend to disk work under KDE? (I think it is calling HAL and asking it to hibernate) |
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| 13:39.42 | natefoo | thrashold: s2both worked for me, but it's not fast. |
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| 13:41.34 | thrashold | s2both is a commandline command, from uswsusp which I just uninstalled because suspend to disk works on my laptop, and there isn't uswsusp there |
| 13:41.50 | thrashold | I want when I click Suspend to disk in KDE, that it will work |
| 13:41.57 | natefoo | ah. |
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| 13:42.15 | thrashold | So I need docs which explain which command is called by HAL for hibernation, what needs to be installed, how it needs to be configured, etc |
| 13:42.18 | themill | thrashold: are you in the "powerdev" group? |
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| 13:43.12 | thrashold | themill: No. I will try that next week, too. I'm not in this group on my laptop either, and it works there. |
| 13:43.46 | themill | thrashold: is this lenny or squeeze by the way? |
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| 13:44.19 | thrashold | sid on both. The desktop machine is a bit broken sid, and I'm trying to locate what I'm missing, unfortunately, nothing writes to any logs |
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| 13:44.29 | dexu | what is debian etch ? |
| 13:44.41 | _martin | stable |
| 13:44.51 | wols | dexu: debian etch is a former debian release name |
| 13:44.55 | wols | !tell dexu about etch |
| 13:44.56 | themill | _martin: no, not even oldstable any more |
| 13:44.58 | thrashold | By broken I mean that I accidentaly deleted half of my files on the root partition and have been fixing it. Suspend worked before that. |
| 13:45.12 | themill | thrashold: that's probably an important thing to tell us, since that's a different version of KDE and a new set of auth mechanisms involved... |
| 13:45.35 | thrashold | That's right, sorry. |
| 13:46.07 | _martin | http://www.readynas.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=22824 in the post a user is doing apt-get aptitude -> next user Hi Staffan, unfortunately I lost ssh as well so I was well and truly f****d - thank you for your time |
| 13:46.41 | abrotman | _martin: etch is not 'stable', it is 'oldstable' |
| 13:47.00 | _martin | sry i forgot |
| 13:47.20 | abrotman | themill: pdo still calls it olstable |
| 13:47.30 | abrotman | gives up trying to have meaningful conversations with themill |
| 13:47.38 | liable | sook |
| 13:47.42 | abrotman | _martin: why are you showing us that link ? |
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| 13:48.14 | abrotman | !bounce themill |
| 13:48.17 | abrotman | :( |
| 13:49.23 | abrotman | _martin: what are you trying to do to that sarge box ? |
| 13:49.43 | liable | oh god, sarge box? |
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| 13:50.22 | _martin | ii try to upgrade it |
| 13:50.32 | _martin | i try to install lenny |
| 13:50.37 | liable | only 3 years too late.. |
| 13:50.49 | _martin | but for that i need aptitude |
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| 13:51.16 | abrotman | _martin: you have to go through etch first |
| 13:51.22 | _martin | im currently try to find the dpkg aptitude sarge package and install it |
| 13:51.30 | _martin | abrotman yes |
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| 13:51.35 | abrotman | !tell _martin about sarge->etch |
| 13:52.01 | liable | _martin: why on earth go through that? backup whatever data it has and reinstall |
| 13:52.02 | BenjaminWilk | hello...kde or gnome @ squeeze? what would you recommend me? |
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| 13:52.13 | abrotman | liable: it's a hardware NAS |
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| 13:54.07 | dexu | how i install nano on debian ? |
| 13:54.16 | _martin | atp-get install nano |
| 13:54.22 | liable | its installed by default |
| 13:54.26 | _martin | apt-get install nano |
| 13:54.32 | abrotman | use aptitude |
| 13:54.47 | dexu | (e-future) Couldn't find package nano |
| 13:54.49 | _martin | on my machine nano wasnt installed liable xD |
| 13:54.53 | dexu | E : Couldn't find package nano |
| 13:55.18 | _martin | dexu u have possible to update your /etc/apt/sourcelist |
| 13:55.21 | lindi- | dexu: /etc/apt/sources.list? |
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| 13:55.41 | _martin | <abrotman> use aptitude was this message to me ? |
| 13:55.45 | dexu | is a fresh debian install |
| 13:55.54 | dexu | and i am newb in debian :D |
| 13:56.06 | abrotman | that's for everyone |
| 13:56.25 | _martin | i cant install aptitude |
| 13:56.34 | vlt | Hello. I installed sane on both Debian lenny and squeeze. I can run `scanimage -d 'hpaio:/usb:/my_device'` successfully but when trying this from remote with `scanimage -d 'net:host:hpaio:...'` I get "failed: Error during device I/O" there and some errors like "io/hpmud/musb.c 136: unable get_string_descriptor -1: Operation not permitted" locally. Any idea? |
| 13:56.44 | ||cw | isn't it installed by default on lenny and newer? |
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| 13:58.20 | ||cw | vlt: you added the remote host in the net.conf right? |
| 13:58.59 | ||cw | and added the network in saned.conf? |
| 13:59.08 | ||cw | or, you know, read the saned docs? |
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| 13:59.29 | vlt | ||cw: I added it to saned.conf, yes. Log says: "access granted to root@::ffff:192.168.0.10" |
| 13:59.39 | vlt | ||cw: What is net.conf? |
| 13:59.53 | ||cw | in sane.d/ |
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| 13:59.58 | vlt | checks |
| 14:00.03 | ||cw | actually, not sure that's needed |
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| 14:00.24 | abrotman | _martin: use a pastebin, show us the error wheny ou try |
| 14:00.25 | ||cw | does scanimage -L show it? |
| 14:00.34 | dexu | how i see if my debian is minimal or normal ? |
| 14:00.38 | _martin | http://nopaste.php-quake.net/291190 abrotman |
| 14:01.02 | _martin | i installed now apt-get install libsigc++-1.2-5c102 |
| 14:01.02 | _martin | and the doc sperate |
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| 14:01.47 | vlt | ||cw: Yes, it's listed, and I can scan locally |
| 14:01.57 | dexu | what is more good apt-get or aptitude ? |
| 14:01.58 | wols | dexu: depends what you mean with "minimal" or "Normal" |
| 14:02.04 | wols | dexu: use aptitude |
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| 14:02.09 | vlt | ||cw: What's net-conf for when I have the remote clients listed in saned.conf? |
| 14:02.10 | dexu | ok |
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| 14:03.28 | vlt | ||cw: From the remote machine (client) I can invoke scanimage on another sane server (ubuntu) fine. |
| 14:03.34 | ||cw | interesting, scanimage can see the hp5035 MFP on the lan, but I get the same error |
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| 14:04.03 | _martin | the question is why apt-get is removing dpkg imagemagick libmagick6 openssh-client openssh-server sysvinit |
| 14:04.03 | _martin | ... there is no connection between aptitude and ssh 0o |
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| 14:04.11 | dexu | what is the easy firewall for a beginer ? |
| 14:04.14 | vlt | ||cw: hp5035 is connected via IP or USB? |
| 14:04.39 | ||cw | ip, autodetected too |
| 14:04.55 | craigevil | dexu: if you want a GUI firestarter or guarddog |
| 14:04.56 | vlt | ||cw: scanning to IP is no problem from that client |
| 14:05.15 | vlt | ||cw: Using a new enough hplip |
| 14:05.38 | dexu | i have a vps for webserver and i don`t have GUI |
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| 14:06.05 | ||cw | dexu: shorewall is pretty easy |
| 14:06.10 | dexu | ok |
| 14:06.11 | vlt | ||cw: Then the --device is something like "hpaio:/net/HP_LaserJet_M1522nf_MFP?ip=192.168...." |
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| 14:06.19 | dexu | how i update my debian ? |
| 14:06.38 | vlt | ||cw: But I have "net:192.168.1.162:hpaio:/usb/hp_LaserJet_3030?serial=00CNB..." |
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| 14:06.46 | ||cw | vlt: yeah mines hpaio:/net/HP_LaserJet_M5035_MFP?zc=off-hp5035 where off-hp5035 is the hostname |
| 14:07.11 | ||cw | dexu: use aptitude |
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| 14:07.23 | vlt | ||cw: The problem seems to be saned on the Debian machine refusing access ... |
| 14:07.33 | dexu | ||cw aptitude update ? only that ? |
| 14:07.51 | ||cw | dexu: just run it, it has menus and stuff |
| 14:08.14 | ||cw | if your ssh client is smart enough, you can even click them |
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| 14:08.38 | vlt | ||cw: again, what's net.conf for when I have the remote clients listed in saned.conf? |
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| 14:09.58 | ||cw | vlt: I think the intent is that on the clients you put in the server IP's and it doens't have to scan for them |
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| 14:10.22 | ||cw | or maybe you put in IP's for saned's that aren't in your broadcast domain |
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| 14:10.57 | ||cw | if -L sees it, you don't need to use net.conf |
| 14:11.33 | ||cw | I suspect that your error means that it's not using sane's transports but hp's, since i'm getting the same error on a standalone hp device |
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| 14:13.39 | vlt | ||cw: Hmmm ... scanning locally (it's a USB device) works, but when invoked from remote saned doesn't find the backend? |
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| 14:14.03 | dominet | hello folks |
| 14:14.08 | ||cw | vlt: something like that |
| 14:14.10 | dominet | can you attach to user's screen session as root? |
| 14:14.18 | dominet | and detach after.. |
| 14:14.38 | vlt | dominet: I think you have to `su <user>` first |
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| 14:15.04 | dominet | vlt hm no other way? i need it for my own scripts and that's just a helper acc |
| 14:15.18 | dominet | i need to easily monitor some log running in screen |
| 14:15.23 | vlt | dominet: There's a suid mode for screen but it's considred insecure |
| 14:15.29 | dominet | mhm. |
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| 14:17.07 | abrotman | dominet: then user can share his screen session with you |
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| 14:18.04 | jhutchins_lt | Make sure it's su - <user> |
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| 14:19.44 | ||cw | vlt: this is interesting and may be relevant to you, I just noticed that it says off-hp5035 but the hostname is off_hp5035, the mfp's config says that - one is the bonjour name... |
| 14:20.09 | mike77800 | I have a usb drive, how do I change it from sdb to sdc? |
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| 14:20.32 | abrotman | mike77800: pretty sure they told you already .. why do you need to change it? |
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| 14:22.12 | ||cw | mike77800: you don't. drives get sd# in order of detections. if you need to reference a consistent name, use the symlink in /dev/disk/by-uuid/ |
| 14:22.43 | wols | cwillu_at_work: they get whatever udev says they get... |
| 14:22.49 | ||cw | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:23.02 | cwillu_at_work | <3 |
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| 14:23.40 | ||cw | mike77800: if you put a DOS disk label on the partition, you can use /dev/disk/by-label/ too |
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| 14:24.16 | ||cw | wols: well, true, but by default, it's in order of detection |
| 14:24.48 | ||cw | which can actually change with every boot in some cases |
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| 14:25.24 | _martin | when apt-get removes my ssh-server will i lose the ssh connection after executing the apt-get command or after a reboot? |
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| 14:25.40 | abrotman | _martin: you're doing something wrong .. |
| 14:26.10 | _martin | i think netgear worked wrong |
| 14:26.58 | ||cw | what's netgear have to do with it? |
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| 14:27.32 | _martin | netgear messed debian on my nas |
| 14:27.42 | dominet | vlt: the answer is... multiuser screen :) |
| 14:27.56 | dominet | just in case you find it useful |
| 14:28.04 | abrotman | dominet: i said that! |
| 14:28.13 | ||cw | you sure it's actually debian? |
| 14:28.17 | dominet | abrotman did you? my bad... i'm sorry, i just popped back in :( |
| 14:28.22 | dominet | was digging for a solution |
| 14:28.22 | _martin | y |
| 14:28.27 | abrotman | ||cw: it's mostly debian |
| 14:28.32 | _martin | but when i lose my ssh connection? |
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| 14:28.41 | abrotman | _martin: put the whole thing in a pastebin |
| 14:28.43 | ||cw | but mostly doens't make it debian |
| 14:28.50 | ||cw | _martin: possibly |
| 14:28.52 | abrotman | i'm aware of that |
| 14:28.58 | _martin | i did there http://nopaste.php-quake.net/291190 |
| 14:29.02 | _martin | @ 34 |
| 14:29.03 | dominet | abrotman indeed... you wrote about sharing screen session.. |
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| 14:29.36 | abrotman | _martin: `apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get install aptitude` ? |
| 14:29.54 | _martin | yes i did this commands |
| 14:30.09 | _martin | exactly in this row |
| 14:30.09 | abrotman | _martin: you did the upgrade? |
| 14:30.12 | _martin | yes |
| 14:30.16 | abrotman | did you try apt-get dist-upgrade ? |
| 14:30.38 | _martin | nope i thought i try it with aptitude |
| 14:30.56 | _martin | okay i can try apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 14:31.09 | karlpinc | _martin: Right. The release notes say then do a dist-upgrade. |
| 14:31.28 | _martin | before i execute this command i have to add the new source.list wright? |
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| 14:31.36 | abrotman | he's just trying to get aptitude to do the dist-upgrade |
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| 14:32.00 | dominet | abrotman... multiuser screen... where is the acladd command? |
| 14:32.03 | karlpinc | _martin: Before you do any of them your sources.list should be upgraded. |
| 14:32.06 | dominet | i don't get it... |
| 14:32.15 | karlpinc | abrotman: Right. |
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| 14:32.41 | abrotman | dominet: google ? |
| 14:32.55 | dominet | i am and it only says about using acladd to add a user for multiscreen |
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| 14:32.57 | abrotman | karlpinc: he probably hsouldn't change his sources yet |
| 14:33.09 | dominet | could it be .rscreen internal command? |
| 14:33.51 | karlpinc | abrotman: He's not gotten up to date with his current release? (etch?) |
| 14:34.05 | karlpinc | _martin: You need to follow the release notes found at debian.org. |
| 14:34.19 | abrotman | karlpinc: he's still on sarge .. |
| 14:34.41 | karlpinc | abrotman: Woah. Ok. So he's got a couple of releases to go through. |
| 14:34.50 | abrotman | way to keep up ... |
| 14:35.02 | karlpinc | Better late than never. |
| 14:35.42 | WormFood | hhhmmm....I need to parse a text file...I need to extract all the lines between a --begin-- and --end-- line...I don't program in perl (that is probably the best tool for the job)...is awk or sed better for this type of task? |
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| 14:36.04 | karlpinc | _martin: You'll need to use a mirror that has the old stuff on it. I believe 'archive.debian.org', but I could be wrong. |
| 14:36.09 | abrotman | WormFood: probably sed .. ask #sed |
| 14:36.14 | abrotman | karlpinc: he has that ... |
| 14:36.15 | themill | WormFood: awk '/--begin--/,/--end--/' |
| 14:36.43 | WormFood | it has been a while since I used awk...I couldn't remember if that would do the trick or not...thanks themill |
| 14:36.47 | _martin | at the moment my source.list isnt correct |
| 14:36.53 | themill | WormFood: no worries |
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| 14:37.24 | abrotman | _martin: put your sources.list in a pastebin |
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| 14:38.14 | _martin | abrotman http://nopaste.php-quake.net/291195 |
| 14:38.22 | karlpinc | themill: I'll have to look at that. I've not used ',' before. |
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| 14:41.57 | WormFood | themill, do you know off hand, now to make it not output the --begin-- and --end-- lines? I know, I can count the lines, and just omit the first one, but not sure how to omit the last line. |
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| 14:43.06 | _martin | abrotman are the sources okay? |
| 14:43.19 | tbsaunde | WormFood: tail and head? |
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| 14:43.55 | WormFood | tbsaunde, yes, I know how to do that, but I was trying to avoid invoking more programs than I need to...I know it can be done from within awk |
| 14:44.24 | tbsaunde | WormFood: ok |
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| 14:45.52 | _martin | okay i got the right one |
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| 14:46.26 | thm | how do I prevent nscd from starting? |
| 14:46.49 | WormFood | thm, just remove it from your runlevel |
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| 14:47.50 | thm | is there a generic command on debian to do that? |
| 14:48.37 | WormFood | yeah, but I forget the details right now. |
| 14:48.45 | jargon- | i was installing ntp on a Squeeze box that has nagios3 and mrtg on it,and i get this warning: http://dpaste.com/202254/ |
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| 14:49.26 | themill | WormFood: yes possible... but probably hacky awk-fu that I normally avoid |
| 14:49.59 | hmiltn5 | so put 'LSB tags and overrides' in your nagios script |
| 14:50.01 | WormFood | themill, I think I can do it with a conditional on the number of fields |
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| 14:51.11 | karlpinc | WormFood: You could write the logic yourself setting up a test with a BEGIN block and then testing and either outputting or not. |
| 14:51.12 | _martin | if i do apt-get dist-upgrade i got an error :( http://nopaste.php-quake.net/291196 @214 :/ |
| 14:51.37 | jargon- | hmiltn5: where and how? |
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| 14:51.57 | WormFood | karlpinc, I almost got it done...just gotta figure out the right syntax |
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| 14:52.45 | abrotman | _martin: based on what you have `apt-get update && apt-get install aptitude dpkg` .. if you want sarge's apitude, you'll have to change your sources |
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| 14:54.03 | karlpinc | _martin: Your sources.list now has etch in it? |
| 14:54.13 | abrotman | karlpinc: yes it does! |
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| 14:54.52 | abrotman | having libc6 pinned probably isn't giong to help |
| 14:54.59 | karlpinc | abrotman: I'm clearly not paying enough attention. I guess I'll leave it to you. |
| 14:55.23 | WormFood | got it! thanks for the help/suggestions themill, karlpinc and tbsaunde |
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| 15:01.01 | sigmonsays | Is there a way to compare a list of files on debian that are not packaged? |
| 15:01.14 | sigmonsays | s/compare/get/ |
| 15:01.33 | _martin | yes karlpinc |
| 15:01.39 | dexu | how i remove bind from the startup scripts? |
| 15:01.42 | WormFood | that is a big job sigmonsays |
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| 15:02.01 | sigmonsays | WormFood, not really... |
| 15:02.02 | WormFood | dexu, remove it from your runlevel |
| 15:02.13 | dexu | how ? |
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| 15:02.28 | WormFood | sigmonsays, yeah, because you need a list of all the files from packages, and all the files on the system. |
| 15:02.48 | sigmonsays | mouse balls to me =P |
| 15:02.57 | WormFood | how do you get a list of files in the packages? |
| 15:03.08 | sigmonsays | _martin, got a link handy to the project? |
| 15:03.11 | themill | /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.list |
| 15:03.35 | WormFood | dexu, edit your rc?.d directories |
| 15:03.50 | jordanm | WormFood: apt-file list or dpkg -S |
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| 15:04.05 | jordanm | sorry, dpkg -L |
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| 15:04.39 | WormFood | dexu, rm rc?.d/S15bind9 |
| 15:04.47 | jordanm | missed the actual goal... |
| 15:05.06 | dexu | WormFood rm: cannot remove `rc?.d/S15bind9': No such file or directory |
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| 15:05.26 | WormFood | jordanm, but dpkg -L needs a package to work with |
| 15:05.37 | WormFood | dexu, you have to do that from /etc |
| 15:06.05 | dexu | ok |
| 15:06.07 | dexu | thks |
| 15:06.09 | WormFood | or, if that won't do it, then look in your /etc/rc?.d directories, for S??bind |
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| 15:07.00 | craigevil | why not just sysv-rc-conf, rather than messing with the start scripts |
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| 15:07.34 | WormFood | dexu, http://www.debian-administration.org/article/An_introduction_to_run-levels may help |
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| 15:10.20 | raz | hmm i'm confused. what is the proper way to set the FQDN (so "hostname -f" works)? i tried adding 'foo' hostname to /etc/hostname and "127.0.0.1 foo.bar" to /etc/hosts ... 'hostname' shows "foo", 'hostname -f' shows: Unknown host |
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| 15:11.02 | WormFood | themill, /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.list does not always have the list of files in a package (like abiword, for example) |
| 15:11.37 | themill | WormFood: umm... what do you mean? It should do unless we have different meanings for "in a package". |
| 15:11.37 | Tametomo | I'm getting an error with the recent Grub2 (file not found), where grub is located on a separate /boot partition. Any suggestions? |
| 15:11.53 | WormFood | hhhmmm...I know a "raz"...but doubt you're the same guy I know. |
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| 15:12.10 | Tametomo | This is a Sid bug, btw |
| 15:12.11 | raz | i'm just the guy with the question ;) |
| 15:12.14 | _martin | sigmonsays no |
| 15:12.34 | WormFood | themill, from what I understand, the .list file is optional...and in my install, the abiword.list is empty |
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| 15:13.08 | solifugus | How can I setup a second gateway? I mean, I need the current one (intranet) but need to get downloads from the Internet through another gateway.. |
| 15:13.28 | cantido | solifugus: you can't have two default gateways IIRC |
| 15:13.39 | WormFood | solifugus, route add |
| 15:13.44 | themill | WormFood: definitely not optional. It's crucial to how dpkg keeps track of package installation, conflicts, replaces and file ownership. |
| 15:14.12 | WormFood | themill, then why is my abiword.list blank, but when I use apt-file list I get a list of files |
| 15:14.13 | WormFood | ? |
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| 15:14.42 | themill | WormFood: apt-file doesn't look at the .list files otherwise it wouldn't be able to tell you about packages that aren't installed. |
| 15:15.10 | WormFood | that does not explain why my abiword.list is blank |
| 15:15.24 | themill | WormFood: which release? |
| 15:15.30 | WormFood | testing |
| 15:15.37 | WormFood | freshly squeezed ;) |
| 15:15.43 | Tametomo | I'll be back in a sec. I'm going to try to append /boot in front to see if it works first. If it does, then I'll report back. However, this is a bug which should get fixed in the current Grub2 package. |
| 15:15.57 | cantido | Tametomo: report it then |
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| 15:16.33 | themill | WormFood: it should only be blank if it's a metapackage or you've installed some other package that Replaces abiword in which case abiword would be automatically uninstalled once all its files had been taken over by the replacing package. |
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| 15:17.25 | WormFood | yes themill, I'm aware of that. abiword-common.list should be the metapackage |
| 15:17.26 | jnewt | the power went out longer than the battery backup could stay on this morning, now one computer is stuck at verifying dmi pool data, debian lenny, not sure how to go about fixing this without pulling the computer apart. is there a way, or do i have to start pulling hardware out? |
| 15:17.51 | cantido | jnewt: does your grub line have quiet in it? |
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| 15:18.12 | themill | WormFood: abiword-common shouldn't be a meta package (and isn't). It contains all the arch-independent files like documentation, icons etc. |
| 15:18.33 | jnewt | cantido: i don't know, i haven't even looked at these two computers for 447 days (that's what the other one said at boot for checking disks) |
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| 15:18.37 | themill | WormFood: I've just checked abiword here in a sid chroot and wc -l /var/lib/dpkg/info/abiword.list => 73. |
| 15:18.48 | WormFood | yeah, I see that....apt-file shows files in abiword-common, but the abiword-common.list file is blank |
| 15:18.52 | cantido | jnewt: actually, that's even before the bootloader isn't? |
| 15:19.09 | jnewt | cantido: yeah, right after the hardware list |
| 15:19.27 | WormFood | # wc -l /var/lib/dpkg/info/abiword.list |
| 15:19.28 | WormFood | 0 /var/lib/dpkg/info/abiword.list |
| 15:19.39 | themill | WormFood: any other packages you've got installed that might Replace these abiword packages? I can't think of any.... Sounds awfully like an unhappy file system. |
| 15:20.06 | cantido | jnewt: mmm, reset the bios, check the disks are being detected.. |
| 15:20.12 | WormFood | no themill...everything is running smooth, and other .list files seem to have contents |
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| 15:20.30 | jnewt | disks are detected, i guess i can reset bios, unhappily though. |
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| 15:21.01 | karlpinc | jnewt: Have you tried pulling the plug for 30 seconds or so and cold booting? |
| 15:21.38 | cantido | jnewt: some bios have a reset configuration data option, that might have |
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| 15:21.50 | WormFood | wc -l /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.list|sort -n|less|grep " 0"|wc -l shows 63 .list files as being empty on my system (and for sure, all of those are not metapackages) |
| 15:21.59 | jnewt | karlpinc: yes, they were down for 30minutes, i started all cold, the one that didn't start, i stopped and restarted, maybe 30sec later. |
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| 15:22.15 | WormFood | oops...omit the "less" there |
| 15:23.11 | karlpinc | jnewt: Sometimes pulling all power will reset the hardware.... I suppose the UPS did this when it ran out of juice, but maybe it kept feeding a trickle. |
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| 15:23.45 | cantido | shouldn't the ups have told the machine to shutdown :/ |
| 15:24.10 | karlpinc | cantido: Only if you install nut or something similar. |
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| 15:24.24 | zr | hello, I see that using the networking runscript to restart the interfaces is now deprecated. What should I use instead? |
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| 15:24.37 | cantido | karlpinc: yeah of course |
| 15:24.58 | karlpinc | cantido: Well, I was looking for an excuse to plug nut. I like it. |
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| 15:25.15 | WormFood | themill, that same command line I just gave shows 2 packages without files in .list, on my stable system (but apt-file shows files for those packages) |
| 15:25.31 | karlpinc | zr: ifup and ifdown? |
| 15:25.51 | zr | karlpinc: thanks |
| 15:25.55 | jnewt | karlpinc: ok, just reset again. |
| 15:26.13 | Tametomo | Alright, that didn't work. So, any ideas on how to temporarily work around this issue? (because if there is a fix released for it, I'll need some sort of a workaround in place to be able to update it) |
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| 15:26.29 | cantido | Tametomo: have you checked the BTS? |
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| 15:27.49 | karlpinc | jnewt: With what result? It may be that your on-board cmos battery is dead. |
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| 15:28.36 | Tametomo | Why yes, actually |
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| 15:29.13 | cantido | Tametomo: if there is a bug and there is a workaround it's probably there if anywhere |
| 15:29.26 | simon_ftw | i installed bind9-doc. how can i read it? |
| 15:29.57 | cantido | simon_ftw: dpkg -L bind9-doc ... you should be able to see where the files went |
| 15:30.03 | WormFood | simon_ftw, /usr/share/doc/ |
| 15:30.04 | jordanm | simon_ftw: dpkg -L bin9-doc. I believe it is html docs in /usr/share/doc/bind9-doc/* |
| 15:30.07 | cantido | simon_ftw: have a feeling it's /usr/share/doc |
| 15:30.08 | petemc | simon_ftw: dpkg -L bind9-doc will show you what it installed, use a pager like less to read the files |
| 15:30.25 | jordanm | petemc: not if its html :) |
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| 15:30.46 | petemc | eval ($lesspipe) |
| 15:30.51 | jnewt | karlpinc: same result |
| 15:30.52 | karlpinc | petemc: All the useful stuff in the bind9 docs are html. :-P |
| 15:31.04 | cantido | lynx, w3c.. |
| 15:31.18 | Zarel | Hey, guys, can anyone here definitively say whether something is allowed under the DFSG? |
| 15:31.31 | jordanm | recommends w3m-el |
| 15:31.51 | cantido | ah, it's w3m |
| 15:31.55 | simon_ftw | there are like 30 different files in /usr/share/doc/bind9-doc (html, gz, pl). how is this supposed to be a human readable documentation? |
| 15:31.55 | cantido | getting confused |
| 15:31.59 | jordanm | Zarel: we are not debian-legal, but likely will have an idea |
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| 15:32.22 | Zarel | jordanm: Do you know where I can find debian-legal? |
| 15:32.32 | cantido | simon_ftw: zless the gz files |
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| 15:32.52 | jordanm | Zarel: I assume this is not a common license? |
| 15:33.10 | petemc | simon_ftw: pick the format you want, read it - how is that hard? |
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| 15:33.31 | karlpinc | simon_ftw: The good stuff is in /arm Bv9ARM.html is a good place to start |
| 15:33.33 | Zarel | jordanm: No, this is GPL. |
| 15:33.39 | Zarel | jordanm: GPLv2, to be precise. |
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| 15:34.02 | Zarel | jordanm: It's just that some of our developers think it's inclear whether or not certain parts were included in the license. |
| 15:34.19 | cantido | Zarel: stick a heading at the top of each file |
| 15:34.23 | simon_ftw | ok thanks, ill try |
| 15:34.24 | Zarel | Basically, Warzone 2100 was released as open source. |
| 15:34.30 | Zarel | With this notice: http://developer.wz2100.net/browser/trunk/COPYING.README |
| 15:34.34 | jordanm | Zarel: then it could be in violation of the GPL |
| 15:34.55 | Zarel | "Everything included (source code and data), as well as the not included videos and music, is released under the terms of the GNU General Public License, version 2 or (at your option) any later version." |
| 15:35.16 | Zarel | The dispute arises over whether or not this includes media from the PlayStation 1 release of Warzone. |
| 15:35.45 | Zarel | One thing that might be relevant is that the released source code contains code from both the PC and the PS1 versions of Warzone. |
| 15:35.45 | cantido | Zarel: I think it would only count for whatever that release builds for |
| 15:36.03 | cantido | Zarel: a PSX port is likely to include bits from Sony's SDK |
| 15:37.25 | jordanm | Zarel: Permission is granted to copy and distribute unaltered copies and/or images of the original game discs in any medium, provided that they are distributed free of charge and retain their original copyright and trademark notices. |
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| 15:37.46 | jordanm | Zarel: that is similar to why firefox was considered non-dfsg and we have iceweasel |
| 15:38.34 | Zarel | jordanm: iirc, Firefox is still considered DFSG; it was renamed because Mozilla requested it... |
| 15:38.46 | cantido | jordanm: I thought that was because the ff people didn't like the binaries debian were shipping and removed use of the trademarks etc |
| 15:39.10 | Zarel | Anyway, that part's irrelevant, since it's an alternative to, not in addition to, the GPL. |
| 15:39.36 | cantido | Here it seems they have given you access to all the code and then assets, but you can only provide the original game unaltered |
| 15:39.50 | jordanm | Zarel: it was renamed because because mozilla told debian that they could not backport security patches and still call it "firefox". A dilution of their trademark a suppose. still, it is distributing something that the users cannot modify and redistribute if they choose to |
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| 15:40.19 | Zarel | jordanm: That's the domain of trademark and not copyright, and I assure you the Warzone 2100 Project holds the Warzone 2100 trademarks. |
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| 15:41.19 | cantido | wouldn't the GPL require you to provide "source" for the media parts? |
| 15:41.21 | Zarel | cantido: Pretty much, but since the code is GPL, we can freely compile our own version. |
| 15:41.43 | Zarel | cantido: Yes, which is why I've been campaigning against using the GPL for media for ages, but no one listens. :( |
| 15:42.10 | Zarel | Most newer Warzone media is dual-licensed GPLv2/CC-BY-SA-3.0 for this reason |
| 15:42.23 | cantido | Zarel: I think they basically don't want you to make a small change to the original game and then sell it as "super special edition" or similar..that's why you can only distribute the original game unaltered and free |
| 15:42.26 | brad__ | the kernel for the netinstall does not support my sata card, so I've compiled my own kernel, but now the installer won't run because it's the wrong version. The installer is expecting 2.6.30-2-486, but I can only find the source for 2.6.30.10 |
| 15:43.05 | Zarel | cantido: Something like that. It's irrelevant, anyway, since the Warzone 2100 Project is GPL. |
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| 15:43.56 | cantido | Zarel: if you're packaging it for debian.. the game binaries and game data could be in different packages |
| 15:44.09 | Zarel | cantido: afaik, they already are. |
| 15:44.10 | cantido | Zarel: or include a script to fetch the media |
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| 15:44.33 | Zarel | I'm not Warzone's debian packager, though; you'd have to talk to pabs3. |
| 15:45.23 | exactt | hi guys,i have a question regarding nullmailer. is this the right place? |
| 15:45.30 | jordanm | brad__: you want the kmuto installer |
| 15:45.32 | jordanm | !kmuto |
| 15:45.32 | dpkg | For Debian Lenny installers with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ . The <bnx2> and <bnx2x> firmware files for Linux 2.6.32 are included in 0116 images. |
| 15:45.34 | cantido | mm if you could email someone and get them to confirm that the psx version is included in the GPL deal that would do it |
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| 15:45.42 | jordanm | exactt: are you running debian? |
| 15:46.08 | jordanm | Zarel: it doesn't look like debian-legal has a public list |
| 15:46.08 | exactt | jordanm: sure thing. actually it's lenny |
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| 15:46.24 | jordanm | exactt: well, here is a fine place to start |
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| 15:47.39 | humbolt | I got a samba question |
| 15:47.40 | exactt | my understanding is that the e-mail address specified in /etc/nullmailer/adminaddr is the address all mail for root will be redirected to, right? |
| 15:48.00 | humbolt | I want users to be able to write to certain dirs in a share but only read others. |
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| 15:48.05 | jhutchins_lt | exactt: Should be. |
| 15:48.47 | exactt | problem is: if i send mail via mail -s "this is a nullmailer test" root nothing happens. if put in my e-mail adress instead of "root" it works... |
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| 15:50.33 | tharkun | exactt: what mta are you using? |
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| 15:51.32 | exactt | tharkun: no idea. i entered the server address if my provider's SMTP server... |
| 15:51.43 | humbolt | I used "force user" and "force group" to achieve that in smb.conf |
| 15:51.48 | humbolt | here is what I did |
| 15:51.58 | humbolt | I setup a share with a dir in it, which belongs to agdoku:storage. all other dirs in the share belong to storage:storage. user permissions are rwx and group permissions are always r-x. I setup the share with "force user = agdoku" and "force group = storage", because I want the users to be able to write only to the dir owned by agdoku but to only have read access to dirs owned by storage. My thinking sounds about right to me, but it does not work. Wh |
| 15:52.03 | humbolt | is that correct? |
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| 15:52.30 | tharkun | exactt: you might be getting a mail loopback if on your local mta you have any aliases set. Do a mailq on your local machine to llok for them |
| 15:53.04 | exactt | tharkun: mailq returns without any output |
| 15:53.18 | tharkun | fine |
| 15:53.26 | tharkun | Then i have no clue |
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| 15:53.33 | jordanm | humbolt: sounds like you want ACLs, not just unix permissions |
| 15:53.52 | jordanm | oh... samba |
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| 15:54.29 | humbolt | jordanm: yes samba |
| 15:54.56 | humbolt | jordanm: what I tried, sounds like it would work, but somehow, it does not. |
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| 15:55.49 | exactt | anybody else with a hint? |
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| 15:57.57 | jordanm | exactt: that is because nullmailer _only_ relays to a smarthost. AFAIK, it does not do local delivery (which is what would occur if email was going to "root") |
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| 15:59.09 | Psi-Jack | Does anyone here have any experience with Ethernet Bonding that could assit me for a moment? I'm trying to understand the viable reasoning as to why, when I setup eth0 and eth1 in mode 1 (active-backup), when eth0 is active and I unplug it, it switches to eth1 active, but takes 1-2 minutes to actually start responding to simple things like ping, it doesn't even detect that eth1 is being unplugged. |
| 15:59.18 | Psi-Jack | The odd part is, when eth1 is active, and I unplug eth1, switching it to eth0 is near flawless, it just almost instantly switches over to eth0 with maybe a packet or two of loss. |
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| 15:59.49 | jnewt | ok, i pulled out a hdd that was clicking, how do i see which one it was? it's been a while since i've done any of this sort of stuff (447 days actually) |
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| 16:00.59 | exactt | jordanm: i want to use nullmailer in conjuction with apt-cron notfiying me of new updates. so you think it should be working? isn't apt-cron sending to "root" as well? can you of any way to test this, other than waiting for the next update to arrive ;-) ? thx |
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| 16:02.04 | tbsaunde | jnewt: smartctl them? |
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| 16:03.36 | jordanm | exactt: use a real MTA like exim4 |
| 16:04.20 | jordanm | exactt: it can be configured to not listen externally, and forward to a smarthost (and rather easy to configure to do so with dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config) |
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| 16:05.41 | exactt | jordanm: thx. already started configuring... |
| 16:06.34 | jordanm | exactt: on my boxes, I typically have to configure nothing more than those dialogues and /etc/exim4/passwd.client (man passwd.client) for smarthost relay |
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| 16:08.41 | jnewt | tbsaunde: ok, from fdisk -l, i have sda, sdb, sdc, with a bunch of device boot listings, then md0, md1, md10, md2 all say "doesn't contain valic partition table. |
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| 16:11.08 | jordanm | jnewt: that is normal output of fdisk with md raid |
| 16:11.34 | jnewt | so the partition thing isn't an issue, i haven't gotten to checking of mdadm yet |
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| 16:12.37 | brad__ | dearest debian, I'm having trouble with the net install. My sata card ich10 is not supported. I compiled a custom kernel but now it won't load fdisk |
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| 16:13.24 | brad__ | how can I load the ich module, or achi module from the net install |
| 16:13.27 | brad__ | ? |
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| 16:13.59 | wrksx | how can I browse packages with apt-get ? I mean if I want to know if a package is available within my sources.list |
| 16:14.00 | jnewt | tbsaude: for sda sdb sdc, all show overall-health: PASSED, no errors logged. |
| 16:14.11 | jnewt | so what drive did i unplug? |
| 16:14.19 | jnewt | a raid one? |
| 16:14.30 | exactt | jordanm: thx, it works! |
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| 16:15.00 | exactt | tharkun: thx as well! |
| 16:15.07 | jhutchins_lt | !tell brad__ about installer firmware |
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| 16:15.22 | Bushmills | wrksx: use apt-cache |
| 16:15.40 | jhutchins_lt | wrksx: You can search with aptitude - aptitude search <package> |
| 16:15.54 | jordanm | !tell wrksx about search |
| 16:15.58 | jhutchins_lt | wrksx: aptitude also has a pseudo-graphical mode if you just run aptitude. |
| 16:16.13 | jordanm | jhutchins_lt: full graphical now too! |
| 16:16.18 | simonrvn | ncurses \o/ |
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| 16:16.18 | jordanm | ,info aptitude-gtk |
| 16:16.20 | judd | No record of package 'aptitude-gtk' in lenny/i386. |
| 16:16.25 | jordanm | ,info aptitude-gtk --release sid |
| 16:16.27 | judd | aptitude-gtk (admin, optional): terminal-based package manager (GUI and terminal interfaces). Version: 0.6.2.1-2; Size: 1808.1k; Installed: 4476k |
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| 16:17.05 | wrksx | Bushmills, jhutchins_lt,jordanm, thanks |
| 16:17.30 | Bushmills | easy pie |
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| 16:23.30 | jnewt | i've lost /dev/hda1 and dev/hdb1, but only pulled one hdd. is there a way to see some more info? i am looking at fstab |
| 16:23.38 | wrksx | I can't understand sthing: if I install a package with apt-get install, will it's depedencies be installed too ? |
| 16:23.55 | jordanm | wrksx: yes, but you should use aptitude instead of apt-get |
| 16:23.59 | jordanm | !tell wrksx about why aptitude |
| 16:24.19 | jnewt | or see what the drive s/n's were, so i can match hda1 or hdb1 to the one i unplugged. |
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| 16:25.29 | wrksx | jordanm,someone told me that once aptitude has been used, it's not recomended to use apt-get again. Is this true ? |
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| 16:26.14 | jordanm | wrksx: no, it may have been in previous releases though |
| 16:27.17 | jpinx-eeepc | wrksx: once you get into the habit of using aptitude, you will forget apt-get exists ;) |
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| 16:28.00 | wrksx | ok thanks |
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| 16:29.30 | jordanm | jpinx-eeepc: until you need to download a source package :) |
| 16:30.25 | Bushmills | wrksx: there's something you give up when using apt-get then: marking of auto-installed packaged (and consequently auto-removing them when the package which depends on them is removed) |
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| 16:31.01 | wrksx | Bushmills, ok |
| 16:31.14 | Bushmills | with mixed use of both programs, autoremoving will be a bit more unpredictable |
| 16:31.16 | jordanm | Bushmills: actually, AFAIK, apt-get has the latter behavior as of lenny |
| 16:31.32 | JyZyXEL | its all fun and games until you actually need to hack something and realize now you have your own fork of the package that you have to keep uptodate |
| 16:31.33 | Bushmills | ah. good to know |
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| 16:37.40 | mmarc__ | hi, I have some old 2.6.26-based debian amd64. What is the most straight way for installing newer kernel, say 2.6.32? |
| 16:38.05 | rtubio | maybe a backport? are you using etch? |
| 16:38.19 | jordanm | mmarc__: install the kernel package from backports. that is the version of the kernel stable release... it is not recommended that you upgrade unless you need support for newer hardware |
| 16:38.33 | jordanm | rtubio: .26 is the lenny kernel (current stable) |
| 16:38.54 | jhutchins_lt | jnewt: Is this an IDE or SATA setup? |
| 16:39.13 | mmarc__ | hi, rtubio, I'm not familiar with debian, but yes, I need support for newer hardware |
| 16:39.32 | jhutchins_lt | jnewt: I would suspect that for some reason the remaining drive is not being detected by the BIOS, possibly it is not correctly jumpered for a stand-alone drive. |
| 16:40.12 | jordanm | mmarc__: what hardware? |
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| 16:40.29 | mmarc__ | jordanm: gpus |
| 16:40.29 | rtubio | mmarc__ : are you sure that you need a new kernel? |
| 16:41.03 | mmarc__ | rtubio: yes, checked 2.3.32 sees gpus, while .26 won't |
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| 16:41.15 | mmarc__ | I think the only way is update the kernel |
| 16:41.23 | jordanm | mmarc__: your graphics card? what card? |
| 16:41.35 | mmarc__ | jordanm: tesla C1060 |
| 16:41.48 | DipSwitch | download the driver from the nvidia site |
| 16:42.01 | DipSwitch | this will compile your driver and add it to your current kernel |
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| 16:42.06 | DipSwitch | works like a charm |
| 16:42.27 | jordanm | mmarc__: that says it supports RHEL 5.x, which runs a .18 kernel |
| 16:42.32 | mmarc__ | |
| 16:42.34 | mmarc__ | DipSwitch: have you tried it yourself with C1060? |
| 16:42.36 | jordanm | (according to the nvidia website) |
| 16:42.44 | rtubio | maybe apt pinning??? |
| 16:43.01 | jordanm | rtubio: no need for pinning when dealing with backports |
| 16:43.02 | rtubio | http://jaqque.sbih.org/kplug/apt-pinning.html |
| 16:43.03 | jordanm | !pinning |
| 16:43.03 | dpkg | Pinning is a method to choose which version of a package to install when multiple versions are available from <sources.list>. Bugs are explained at http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/debian.html#errata . If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system, ask me about <backports> instead. http://wiki.debian.org/AptPreferences |
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| 16:43.33 | mmarc__ | right, rhel 5, but we don't see it here on 2.6.26, and can see with .32 |
| 16:43.39 | DipSwitch | not with the tesla it works for almost every nvidia :p |
| 16:43.48 | rtubio | yes, but the problem is that I have just taken a look at backports.org and they do not have linux-2.6.32 in the repository |
| 16:44.00 | rtubio | http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=packages |
| 16:44.03 | mmarc__ | :( |
| 16:44.06 | jordanm | mmarc__: what do you mean "can't see it"? |
| 16:44.28 | mmarc__ | device query sample does not see the devices |
| 16:45.00 | jordanm | mmarc__: is that some type of cuda thing? |
| 16:45.26 | jordanm | the driver is a binary blob... and should not be dependant on the kernel |
| 16:45.57 | jordanm | mmarc__: I would actually recommend the cuda channel |
| 16:46.07 | jordanm | !tell mmarc__ about bpo |
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| 16:46.14 | jordanm | use bpo if you want the newer kernel |
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| 16:46.54 | rtubio | bpo = backport? |
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| 16:47.28 | jordanm | yes |
| 16:47.47 | rtubio | ok, but I could not find linux-2.6.32 package at backports.org.... |
| 16:47.53 | jordanm | ,kernels |
| 16:47.54 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.34-1-686 (2.6.34-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-15); squeeze: 2.6.32-3-686 (2.6.32-9); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.4-686 (2.6.32-11~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-22lenny1); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
| 16:48.03 | rtubio | ok, perfect then!!!! |
| 16:48.10 | jordanm | rtubio: linux-image-* is the name of kernel packages :) |
| 16:48.22 | rtubio | ok :) |
| 16:48.30 | wols | jordanm: from what I remember, the 190.x nvidia drivers need a newer kernel, won't work with the one from lenny |
| 16:48.40 | rozie | wols: that's true |
| 16:49.10 | mmarc__ | indeed, and I need v195 |
| 16:49.13 | wols | and obviously his tesla heaters are kinda new chips |
| 16:49.19 | wols | so they won't work with old drivers |
| 16:49.59 | Psi-Jack | Hmmm. When using Ethernet Bonding, I shouldn't need to specifically setup the HW address of the two NIC's being used myself, should I? |
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| 16:50.23 | SlayerXP | Psi-Jack: no, the bond will take the MAC address of the first interface added |
| 16:50.32 | Psi-Jack | That's what I thought. |
| 16:50.40 | SlayerXP | Psi-Jack: you _can_ set your own if you like |
| 16:50.47 | mmarc__ | backports are new to me, hm, any guidelines?.. |
| 16:50.49 | rozie | wols: it was pretty easy to get package sources from unstable and compile them on Lenny |
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| 16:50.59 | rtubio | backports.org |
| 16:51.23 | Psi-Jack | I'm just completely lost as to why, when I setup a mode 1 (active-backup) bond, when I unplug eth0-active, and it switches it to eth1, why there's a 2-3 minute delay in it coming up and being usable, but eth1-active to eth0 failover, is almost instant. |
| 16:51.23 | rtubio | there you will find all info you need at section "Instructions" |
| 16:51.37 | rtubio | follow them accurately step by step, it's easy |
| 16:51.37 | Araya | Hi, I upgrade sid and now openoffice don't work |
| 16:51.59 | mmarc__ | aha, I see the instructions |
| 16:52.17 | mmarc__ | thank you, rtubio |
| 16:52.20 | wols | Araya: welcome to sid. enjoy your stay |
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| 16:52.23 | DipSwitch | Araya: welcome to the wonderfull world of sid, do you get any errors? |
| 16:52.23 | rtubio | mmarc__: you're welcome |
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| 16:52.44 | Araya | diago: anything, only go out |
| 16:52.53 | DipSwitch | or did you get any errors while upgrading? |
| 16:52.58 | wols | Araya: have you done even basic troubleshooting? |
| 16:52.59 | Araya | DipSwitch: anything, only go out |
| 16:53.15 | Araya | wols: ? |
| 16:53.37 | wols | you run sid, so you're an experienced debian user. so what troubleshooting have you done so far? |
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| 16:53.48 | Araya | i open openoffice...........it try and them...........go out |
| 16:53.50 | Psi-Jack | SlayerXP: Any thoughts about that issue by chance? |
| 16:54.01 | Araya | wols: i am user...........only |
| 16:54.01 | wols | Araya: reinstall stable. have a nice day |
| 16:54.12 | wols | Araya: then you aren't capable of using sid |
| 16:54.23 | Araya | wols: i use sid since 8 years |
| 16:54.37 | wols | Araya: you are a user only. sid is not of "user only". never was |
| 16:54.50 | wols | !tell Araya about sid |
| 16:55.04 | l403 | !tell me about sid |
| 16:55.24 | wols | !tell l403 about selftell |
| 16:55.25 | SlayerXP | Psi-Jack: check dmesg? check cables? check for a MAC conflict? |
| 16:55.26 | Araya | wols: it is all? nobody can help me? |
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| 16:55.37 | wols | Araya: you yourself can help you |
| 16:55.51 | wols | Araya: have you read what dpkg sent you? |
| 16:55.51 | Araya | ok thanks for nothing |
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| 16:56.04 | Psi-Jack | SlayerXP: dmesg shows eth1 becomes active as soon as eth0 gets unplugged, and there's no MAC conflict at all in the network. |
| 16:56.42 | SlayerXP | Psi-Jack: i would be looking suspiciously at the cables in that case |
| 16:56.45 | jnewt | GRUB loading, please wait.... Error 15 |
| 16:57.02 | jnewt | some threads show commands to type, but i can't type anything. |
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| 16:57.16 | wols | jnewt: grub1 or grub2? |
| 16:57.25 | Psi-Jack | SlayerXP: It's also definitely not cables. After 2-3 minutes, it's fully functional, no issues. It's /like/ the MAC is changing, and the other systems are still looking for the old MAC to communicate to. |
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| 16:57.41 | jnewt | wols: i would guess 2 on this machine. |
| 16:57.54 | wols | jnewt: please don't guess |
| 16:58.06 | jnewt | then i don't know |
| 16:58.16 | wols | you need to boot somehow anyway. how about finding out? |
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| 16:58.22 | SlayerXP | Psi-Jack: as an experiment, try setting your own MAC |
| 16:58.32 | Psi-Jack | SlayerXP: On the bond0 interface itself? |
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| 16:58.40 | DipSwitch | Psi-Jack: Most systems use an arp table to remember what IP address is what mac address |
| 16:58.45 | wols | !tell jnewt about reinstall grub |
| 16:58.56 | SlayerXP | Psi-Jack: yeah |
| 16:59.02 | Psi-Jack | DipSwitch: Yeah. I know this. ;) |
| 16:59.19 | DipSwitch | Psi-Jack: so if you don't want the timeout you need to set the macaddress of eth1 to the mac adress of eth0 |
| 16:59.20 | Psi-Jack | I have both a Windows desktop and Linux box pinging the IP of the bonded system. ;) |
| 16:59.23 | SlayerXP | DipSwitch: yes, and the bind driver is meant to present the same MAC on both interfaces. |
| 16:59.31 | SlayerXP | bond driver, that is |
| 16:59.35 | Psi-Jack | DipSwitch: Oh? |
| 16:59.40 | jnewt | wols: i can't get to a command line, so i can't type grub --version. |
| 16:59.58 | DipSwitch | guess eth0 and eth1 use the same ip? |
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| 17:00.13 | DipSwitch | static |
| 17:00.21 | wols | jnewt: how far does grub get? |
| 17:00.23 | Psi-Jack | DipSwitch: They're bonded. |
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| 17:00.29 | WormFood | I've noticed my notification area is getting large gaps, with no icons, after my latest update. It appears to be related to pidgin (this is on testing)....is anyone else getting the same thing? Anyone know what is going on? |
| 17:00.45 | wols | WormFood: looked in the bts? |
| 17:00.56 | WormFood | no wols |
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| 17:01.43 | DipSwitch | Psi-Jack: kk check if both eth0 and eth1 have the same ip address |
| 17:01.46 | jordanm | WormFood: as a testing user you should be very familar with the BTS and always remember to check |
| 17:01.59 | Psi-Jack | DipSwitch: Neither eth0 or eth1 are assigned an IP address. They are bonded. |
| 17:02.08 | mmarc__ | hmm, some problems here: |
| 17:02.12 | mmarc__ | Setting up linux-base (2.6.32-11~bpo50+1) ... |
| 17:02.14 | mmarc__ | Invalid output format udev. |
| 17:02.18 | jnewt | wols: ok, i have been having issues with my two ide hdd's, i have 3 sata's, and two ide's. if i pull the ide's, grub boots. if i put one in, grub error 15. if i put them both in, i get stuck at verifying dmi pool data. |
| 17:02.35 | Psi-Jack | In other words. eth0 and eth1 are slaves for bond0. Not even bond0 itself has an ip address as br0 bridges in bond0. |
| 17:02.44 | wols | jnewt: change your BIOS to set SATA first, always |
| 17:03.07 | wols | mmarc__: dpkg -l udev |
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| 17:04.00 | mmarc__ | wols: ii udev 0.125-7+lenny3 /dev/ and hotplug management daemon |
| 17:05.09 | wols | mmarc__: full output of your kernel install then |
| 17:05.31 | DipSwitch | Psi-Jack: never worked with bonding but i know that when you have bound adapters they still show up in `ifconfig` with all there info my guess is that both mac addresses of eth0 and eth1 are still different which causes a corrupt arp table on the clients proper output of ifconfig with bonding: http://pastebin.com/pwfr25EB |
| 17:05.34 | mmarc__ | what pastie are you using here? |
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| 17:06.05 | wols | any you want |
| 17:06.32 | DipSwitch | maybe if both adapters go via a different switch but than through one router / firewall / smart switch |
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| 17:07.13 | DipSwitch | which remembers which mac address belongs to which physical port you need to search your problem over there |
| 17:07.32 | mmarc__ | wols: http://pastebin.com/gi9mp2K4 |
| 17:08.53 | datacrusher | <datacrusher> is there such a command as arp -a (or -g) in dos in linux? |
| 17:08.53 | datacrusher | <d3x> (something with module versions) |
| 17:08.53 | datacrusher | <datacrusher> i wanna know a mac address from a printer i know the ip |
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| 17:10.32 | DipSwitch | datacrusher: sudo arp -a |
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| 17:12.54 | datacrusher | DipSwitch, nice! is there one i can get all at once? ip - mac - hostname? |
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| 17:15.54 | DipSwitch | datacrusher: no idea, write your own tool ^^ |
| 17:15.57 | wols | mmarc__: known bugs 576608 and 576925 |
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| 17:16.23 | mmarc__ | wols: who's bugzilla? |
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| 17:16.31 | wols | !bts |
| 17:16.31 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges |
| 17:16.57 | wols | mmarc__: the "fix" was a new kernel build... |
| 17:17.26 | wols | tho at least the big one, the unresolved perl symbol is a debconf problem |
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| 17:18.43 | mmarc__ | wols: not clear, what does it mean for me. Will it be alive after reboot, is something broken now? |
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| 17:19.31 | DipSwitch | mmarc__: you can't boot with the new kernel so i guess it's broken |
| 17:19.41 | DipSwitch | it isn't installed |
| 17:19.48 | mmarc__ | hm, and the old one? |
| 17:19.49 | DipSwitch | sort of |
| 17:19.58 | DipSwitch | will still work like a charm |
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| 17:21.55 | mmarc__ | so, backports is not working. That's bad :( |
| 17:22.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | still better than a blunt stick in the eye |
| 17:22.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | or a sharp one |
| 17:22.54 | mmarc__ | okay, it depends on linux-base. Then, why not to install the linux-base?.. |
| 17:23.22 | DipSwitch | there is a change in udev |
| 17:23.34 | DipSwitch | the newer kernel also needs a newer version of udev |
| 17:24.00 | mmarc__ | ugh, god |
| 17:24.10 | mmarc__ | and the apt-get got broken now |
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| 17:24.51 | themill | mmarc__: aptitude install -t lenny-backports linux-image-amd64 linux-base_ |
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| 17:27.57 | mmarc__ | themill: cool! Thanks a lot. Let me now try to reboot. |
| 17:28.08 | mmarc__ | crosses fingers |
| 17:28.16 | themill | runs |
| 17:28.21 | mmarc__ | :) |
| 17:29.01 | mmarc__ | weel, boot.lst looks good, kernels are on place |
| 17:29.05 | mmarc__ | it should work |
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| 17:31.15 | mmarc__ | Linux teslatron 2.6.32-bpo.3-amd64 #1 SMP Mon Mar 15 13:49:35 UTC 2010 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 17:31.20 | mmarc__ | dances |
| 17:32.11 | d1b | mmarc__: ? |
| 17:32.45 | mmarc__ | I've just succeede with themill's suggestion |
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| 17:37.19 | mmarc__ | however, there is still the same problem |
| 17:37.48 | mmarc__ | I don't understand why debian shows 07:00.0 3D controller: nVidia Corporation Device 05e7 (rev a1) in lspci for tesla, while fedora's lspci shows namely GT200 |
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| 17:38.14 | wols | mmarc__: run update-pciids |
| 17:38.26 | valdyn | mmarc__: that means the the pciids list in debian is different ( older ), but thats not relevant |
| 17:38.30 | themill | mmarc__: lspci data is just pulled out of a database and the names in that db change over time |
| 17:38.52 | mmarc__ | hmm |
| 17:39.49 | relzzz | how can i tell which debian i run? |
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| 17:40.16 | jpinx-eeepc | relzzz: uname -a |
| 17:40.29 | zleap | relzzz, does lsb_release tell you anything |
| 17:40.32 | mguy | relzzz: Which one are you following in sources.list |
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| 17:41.31 | Guest6092 | I setup dovecot + postfix + squirrelmail on my server. I can send outgoing email just fine but I am not receiving any incoming mail. |
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| 17:41.36 | relzzz | my server is remote, i did not install it uname -a doesnt say much |
| 17:41.42 | abrotman | relzzz: show us what it says |
| 17:41.58 | valdyn | Guest6092: dig mx yourdomain.tld gives what? |
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| 17:42.06 | mmarc__ | themill, thanks, looks good now: 07:00.0 3D controller: nVidia Corporation GT200 [Tesla C1060] (rev a1) |
| 17:42.31 | mguy | What does your /etc/debian_version say |
| 17:42.35 | relzzz | uname -a: Linux blah 2.6.26-2-amd64 #1 SMP Thu Feb 11 00:59:32 UTC 2010 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 17:42.43 | abrotman | relzzz: that would appear to be lenny |
| 17:42.52 | valdyn | Guest6092: or why dont you send a mail to your server from a different account and watch for errors |
| 17:42.57 | sidvicious | I need to install a new kernel on my debian lenny to get support for my wireless card, how can I do that? |
| 17:42.58 | jordanm | wth is the point of the -t option I have always used with dig if you can just specify it like that... |
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| 17:43.08 | bfremon | Hi |
| 17:43.17 | jordanm | sidvicious: what card? lspci -nn |
| 17:43.21 | jpinx-eeepc | relzzz: the output of less /etc/debian_version ? |
| 17:43.21 | mguy | sidvicious: Download kernel sources and build ;) |
| 17:43.23 | abrotman | sidvicious: what does 'uname -r' say now ? |
| 17:43.25 | Guest6092 | valdyn: I check all my logs and nothing shows up |
| 17:43.30 | abrotman | mguy: don't tell him to do that |
| 17:43.32 | bfremon | When reporting a translation error, shall I report it against the package ? |
| 17:43.33 | jordanm | sidvicious: don't recommend that |
| 17:43.41 | jordanm | mguy: ^ |
| 17:43.41 | sidvicious | jordanm, RTL8187b |
| 17:43.44 | valdyn | Guest6092: I didnt ask for logs |
| 17:43.50 | relzzz | 5.0.4 |
| 17:43.50 | abrotman | !tell sidvicious about bpo |
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| 17:44.06 | sidvicious | mguy, is it the easiest way? |
| 17:44.17 | mguy | Can you upgrade the kernel without switching to testing or unstable? |
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| 17:44.19 | jpinx-eeepc | sidvicious: I just finished an install of a usb wifi with that chipset |
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| 17:44.24 | jordanm | sidvicious: not even close, see dpkg's pm about backports, install your kernel form there |
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| 17:44.32 | jordanm | jpinx-eeepc: an alfa? |
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| 17:44.34 | valdyn | !tell mguy -about backports.org |
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| 17:44.57 | mguy | valdyn: ahh, thanks |
| 17:45.12 | mmarc__ | and how do you call the package containing the kernel headers/sources? |
| 17:45.16 | Guest6092 | valdyn: http://pastebin.com/ZypuvcAr |
| 17:45.32 | Guest6092 | valdyn: where should I look for errors then? |
| 17:46.14 | jpinx-eeepc | jordanm: a usb high power chinese thingy ;) |
| 17:46.17 | jordanm | mmarc__: apt-get source linux-image-$(uname -r); aptitude install linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
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| 17:46.22 | jordanm | !tell mmarc__ about search |
| 17:46.25 | DipSwitch | mmarc__: linux-headers and linux-source |
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| 17:46.43 | sidvicious | jordanm, all that I have to do is choose a kernel in synaptics and apply installation? Then when I reboot I'll be using the new kernel? |
| 17:46.55 | DipSwitch | mmarc__: learn to use apt-cache or aptitutde search for these kind of questions ^.^ |
| 17:47.03 | sidvicious | jpinx-eeepc, how did u do that? |
| 17:47.15 | jpinx-eeepc | jordanm: http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/274067594/USB_WIRELESS_WIFI_ADAPTER.html |
| 17:47.17 | jordanm | sidvicious: I don't recommend synaptics, use aptitude -t lenny-backports install linux-image-686 (or amd64 if you use that) |
| 17:47.29 | valdyn | Guest6092: trying to connect to your smtp port gives: Connection refused. |
| 17:47.47 | mmarc__ | jordanm, thanks, so what is the good word to find kernel headers with apt-cache? I use mostly apt-file |
| 17:47.52 | Guest6092 | valdyn: which port are you trying? |
| 17:47.58 | sidvicious | jordanm, but it will works as I asked u? just reboot and... |
| 17:47.59 | valdyn | Guest6092: SMTP |
| 17:48.10 | jpinx-eeepc | sidvicious: mine is a usb wifi adaptor and I installed a new kernel, rebooted and it works |
| 17:48.11 | DipSwitch | mmarc__: man apt-cache |
| 17:48.17 | jordanm | mmarc__: aptitude has _much_ better search capabilities than apt-cache |
| 17:48.28 | sidvicious | jpinx-eeepc, what kernel did u installed? |
| 17:48.34 | sidvicious | wich |
| 17:48.35 | DipSwitch | mmarc__: or man aptitude |
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| 17:48.43 | mmarc__ | jordanm: hm, new to me |
| 17:48.47 | wols | mmarc__: linux-headers-`uname -r` |
| 17:48.54 | jpinx-eeepc | sidvicious: I am on i686 and installed ...32 from bpo |
| 17:49.02 | jordanm | DipSwitch: actually, the manpage for aptitude does not include the search term documentation |
| 17:49.07 | mmarc__ | heh, I'm stupid ubuntu user :-P |
| 17:49.15 | jordanm | for that you need the html documentation in the aptitude-doc-* package |
| 17:49.38 | DipSwitch | ah didn't know that sorry :+ |
| 17:49.52 | abrotman | jordanm: dunno about better .. but more explicit |
| 17:49.59 | sidvicious | jpinx-eeepc, and how did u installed it? |
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| 17:50.16 | DipSwitch | here (sid) it does show search in the aptitude manpage |
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| 17:50.21 | jordanm | abrotman: it can do everything apt-cache can do and more (as far as searching) |
| 17:50.21 | jpinx-eeepc | sidvicious: aptitude install linux-image...... |
| 17:50.38 | abrotman | jordanm: it also is more confusing in some cases |
| 17:50.38 | jordanm | sidvicious: scroll up, I already gave you the exact command |
| 17:50.47 | mmarc__ | what does it mean that apt-get has supercow powers? |
| 17:50.53 | Guest6092 | valdyn: I forgot to save the new iptables config. Didn't seem to fix it though. |
| 17:50.55 | sidvicious | man, I could not believe it's so easy |
| 17:50.57 | sidvicious | sorry |
| 17:51.04 | wols | mmarc__: that would be telling |
| 17:51.09 | valdyn | Guest6092: that did fix it |
| 17:51.12 | sidvicious | sorry for por english too |
| 17:51.14 | sidvicious | haah |
| 17:51.24 | valdyn | Guest6092: 220 barragesoftware.com ESMTP Postfix (Debian/GNU) |
| 17:51.44 | jpinx-eeepc | sidvicious: check the correct kernel package name for your specific hardware |
| 17:52.20 | Guest6092 | valdyn: I didn't receive the e-mail, do you know where I should start looking? |
| 17:52.23 | wols | jpinx-eeepc: not really many kernels to choose from |
| 17:52.26 | jelly-home | valdyn: EHLO there! |
| 17:52.26 | sidvicious | jpinx-eeepc, yeah, it's the same of yours |
| 17:52.34 | wols | Guest6092: in your logfiles first |
| 17:52.58 | sidvicious | jpinx-eeepc, why did u instaled "bpo" and not "lenny"? |
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| 17:53.43 | sidvicious | what is the diference? |
| 17:53.46 | jpinx-eeepc | sidvicious: I used bpo |
| 17:53.49 | valdyn | Guest6092: i sent your root account mail, it worked |
| 17:54.05 | valdyn | 2010-06-02 19:53:02 1OJs7e-0000zi-SI Completed |
| 17:54.10 | wols | sidvicious: which lenny kernel? lenny has no 2.6.32 kernel |
| 17:54.19 | Guest6092 | valdyn: yeah I sent about 20 e-mails but I cannot find them lol |
| 17:54.33 | Guest6092 | valdyn: I have no idea where they are going |
| 17:54.37 | valdyn | Guest6092: /var/spool/mail/<username> probably |
| 17:54.43 | sidvicious | wols, yeah man, did not notice that |
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| 17:54.54 | sidvicious | what should I install them? |
| 17:54.59 | sidvicious | WICH |
| 17:55.00 | sidvicious | haha |
| 17:55.08 | valdyn | Guest6092: but i dont know the postfix default |
| 17:55.11 | jpinx-eeepc | ,versions linix-image |
| 17:55.14 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'linix-image' was found. |
| 17:55.24 | jpinx-eeepc | ,versions linux-image |
| 17:55.27 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'linux-image' was found. |
| 17:55.30 | jordanm | ,kernels |
| 17:55.32 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.34-1-686 (2.6.34-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-15); squeeze: 2.6.32-3-686 (2.6.32-9); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.4-686 (2.6.32-11~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-22lenny1); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
| 17:55.48 | jpinx-eeepc | wols: âââ |
| 17:56.04 | jpinx-eeepc | thanks jordanm -- damn bot:( |
| 17:56.21 | abrotman | yeah .. it's the bot's fault you misspelled linux the first time ,.. |
| 17:56.41 | sidvicious | ahh nice, bpo is from backports, nice |
| 17:56.43 | Guest6092 | valdyn: ok they are in /var/spool/mail |
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| 17:57.51 | sidvicious | and why bpo.1 bpo.2 bpo.3....? |
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| 17:58.09 | sidvicious | releases? |
| 17:58.25 | jordanm | sidvicious: revisions, if you install the meta-package, it will always pull the newest |
| 17:58.42 | sidvicious | jordanm, thanks |
| 17:58.58 | wols | valdyn: that is the postfix default |
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| 17:59.13 | sidvicious | I've just installed Debian, having fun configuring it |
| 17:59.45 | Guest6092 | valdyn: Thanks for your help I should be able to get the rest working from here |
| 18:01.27 | mmarc__ | one more thing to ask: when you create special file with mknod, say sudo mknod /dev/nvidia1 c 195 1, then how do you access this new device as normal user? Do I need to add some permissions on this file? |
| 18:01.51 | wols | you don't create device files |
| 18:02.03 | mmarc__ | wols: but who create them? |
| 18:02.07 | wols | and yes, to device files, normal permissions apply |
| 18:02.09 | wols | !udev |
| 18:02.09 | dpkg | [udev] /dev/ and hotplug management daemon. Linux 2.6's userspace equivalent of <DevFS>, dependent upon a Linux kernel >= 2.6.15 (>= 2.6.27 for Squeeze). Ask me about <70>, <udev squeeze>, <udev rules>, <udev details>, <.dev>, <dpin>. http://wiki.debian.org/udev http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/udev.html |
| 18:02.32 | wols | what makes you think you need a special device file? |
| 18:03.14 | mmarc__ | wols, well, I'm not familiar with udev, but it appears that to access gpus I need first to create the corresponding device files |
| 18:03.25 | wols | what makes you think you need a special device file? |
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| 18:03.47 | wols | or asked another way: what makes you think you have to create this file explicitly? |
| 18:03.49 | mmarc__ | wols, the correctly running sample makes me thing this could be a solution |
| 18:04.27 | mmarc__ | wols: oh, no, I'm guessing it should be created automatically at some point. The question is why it is not happenning |
| 18:04.32 | wols | I doubt your thinking |
| 18:04.44 | wols | what drivers are installed? e.g. kernel modules? |
| 18:04.53 | mmarc__ | yes, nvidia.ko |
| 18:05.26 | wols | creating your own device nodes in any modern distro is pretty futile generally |
| 18:05.50 | mmarc__ | so, who creates devices nodes in modern distros? |
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| 18:05.57 | mmarc__ | drivers? |
| 18:06.21 | wols | I told you above |
| 18:06.46 | wols | "/dev/ management daemon" is not a PR slogan |
| 18:06.52 | sigmonsays | bug 513216 |
| 18:07.01 | sigmonsays | is therea bug bot here? |
| 18:07.16 | wols | sidvicious: /msg dpkg <stuff> |
| 18:07.25 | mmarc__ | wols: sorry, I'm probably an idiot, but udev is just a daemon. How he knows node must be created? |
| 18:07.43 | wols | via notification from kernel? |
| 18:07.56 | wols | dependent upon a Linux kernel >= 2.6.15 |
| 18:08.28 | mmarc__ | aha, I see now. And nvidia.ko, as it was loaded, should provide info to kernel |
| 18:08.31 | wols | sigmonsays: the /msg stuff was for you |
| 18:08.45 | sigmonsays | thanks wols |
| 18:10.17 | mmarc__ | thank you, wols, it gets clearier, but the problem is somewhere outside my understanding then |
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| 18:13.10 | HideMe | when my /etc/debian_version states lenny/sid which is it? |
| 18:13.30 | abrotman | HideMe: it's out of date .. badly |
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| 18:13.58 | jelly-home | HideMe: check /etc/apt/sources.list to see which repos are enabled |
| 18:14.00 | HideMe | abrotman, Really? Isn't Debian 5 lenny? |
| 18:14.15 | abrotman | HideMe: your system is probably still from when lenny was testing |
| 18:14.31 | jelly-home | HideMe: lenny/sid means "very old, pre-Debian 5, testing or sid" |
| 18:14.33 | sidvicious | how to move the windows icons to the right or to the left? |
| 18:15.10 | HideMe | Actually... I may be incorrect... it's Ubuntu based on what apt source says Ubuntu Gusty. |
| 18:15.16 | abrotman | oh jeez .. |
| 18:15.19 | jelly-home | !version |
| 18:15.19 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a, or cat /proc/version. Do cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} which should grab almost all distributions. |
| 18:15.29 | abrotman | HideMe: please go to #ubuntu |
| 18:15.52 | jelly-home | HideMe: lsb_release -a works on ubuntu |
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| 18:17.35 | HideMe | jelly-home, thanks |
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| 18:19.34 | Coco | ok |
| 18:19.38 | Coco | hello |
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| 18:19.57 | crocket | Hi guys |
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| 18:20.03 | epsilon | .oO ri ko? |
| 18:20.03 | Coco | hi |
| 18:20.11 | crocket | I'm looking for os-prober 1.38 release tarball. Where can I get it? |
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| 18:20.17 | crocket | I can't even get os-prober from svn. |
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| 18:20.44 | crocket | I need the source codes of os-prober for making a slackware package. |
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| 18:20.54 | crocket | os-prober belongs to debian repository. |
| 18:20.55 | sidvicious | I've installed a new kernel image trough aptitute but it didn't appears in the grub menu, what should I do? |
| 18:21.10 | crocket | sidvicious: sudo update-grub |
| 18:21.21 | crocket | and reboot |
| 18:21.29 | sidvicious | crocket, THANKS |
| 18:21.39 | crocket | type "sudo update-grub" and reboot |
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| 18:22.31 | sidvicious | crocket, Found kernel: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.32-bpo.4-686 |
| 18:22.35 | sidvicious | :D |
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| 18:23.50 | jd823592 | Hello |
| 18:24.53 | jd823592 | I am searching for newer version of libGL library.. i have libGL.so.1.2 on my debian system but i would need 1.3 what package should i checkout? |
| 18:26.06 | RainbowW | so i'm using squeeze and kde. the kde sound control applet's test sound, and kde's startup sound, works. but no other sound works -- mpeg files, mp3s, web pages, nothing. where do i go to dink with this? |
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| 18:27.01 | wols | jd823592: what package installed your current libGL? |
| 18:27.45 | sidvicious | got a Kernel Panic with the new installed kernel, "could'nt mount root filesystem...". What should I do? |
| 18:28.13 | NoCode | When is a newer python version going into squeeze? |
| 18:28.14 | wols | what root filesystem do you have? |
| 18:28.27 | wols | NoCode: already in the works |
| 18:28.41 | NoCode | It's already there? |
| 18:28.42 | sidvicious | sda1? is it? |
| 18:28.48 | NoCode | hrm |
| 18:29.08 | sidvicious | wols, it said something about ext2 too, i use ext3 |
| 18:29.12 | wols | sidvicious: pastebin your /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 18:29.18 | sidvicious | ok |
| 18:29.27 | wols | and the output of the kernel would be really nice too |
| 18:29.53 | jd823592 | wols: i asume it was libgl1-mesa-glx but thats my guess.. i forgot the way how to check what package a file belongs to |
| 18:30.03 | wols | jd823592: dpkg -S |
| 18:30.25 | sidvicious | wols, pastebin the whole menu.lst, it's big, too much comments |
| 18:30.26 | wols | but I guess the answer to your question is: a newer debian branch (e.g. squeeze perhaps) |
| 18:30.31 | sidvicious | wols, is it ok? |
| 18:30.41 | jd823592 | wols: yes, it is libgl1-mesa-glx |
| 18:30.45 | crocket | sidvicious: problem solved? |
| 18:31.05 | sidvicious | crocket, yeah, but with the new kernel got kernel panic |
| 18:31.13 | wols | jd823592: what do you need a new libgl for? |
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| 18:31.57 | jd823592 | wols: to mess a bit with gnome-shell |
| 18:32.08 | sidvicious | wols, where do I get the kernel output? |
| 18:32.22 | wols | sidvicious: on your screen... |
| 18:32.35 | wols | jd823592: and this gnome-shell comes from where? |
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| 18:32.47 | djura-san | im off. have a nice chat people :) |
| 18:32.50 | wols | from what judd tells me there is no libgl1.3 in debian anywhere |
| 18:32.55 | crocket | sidvicious: welcome to ubuntu |
| 18:32.57 | crocket | no |
| 18:32.59 | crocket | debian |
| 18:33.01 | jd823592 | wols: debian repo :) |
| 18:33.02 | sidvicious | haha |
| 18:33.05 | sidvicious | thanks |
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| 18:34.03 | wols | ,versions gnome-shell |
| 18:34.04 | sidvicious | wols, hey man, the new kernel entry on the grub.lst seems fine, just like the other kernel that works |
| 18:34.05 | judd | gnome-shell -- sid: 2.29.0-3; squeeze: 2.29.0-3 |
| 18:34.14 | sidvicious | :/ |
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| 18:34.48 | wols | jd823592: gnome-shell depends on normal libgl1-mesa-glx aka libGL1.2 |
| 18:34.52 | sidvicious | wols, no no no. I'm wrong |
| 18:35.02 | sidvicious | wols, I don't have the initrd line |
| 18:35.24 | wols | sidvicious: dpkg-reconfigure your kernel and run update-grub again. it should build the initrd |
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| 18:35.48 | jd823592 | wols: dependecy is not the problem.. its the warnings i get.. and i am not sure whether the messy graphical output is connected to that |
| 18:36.10 | xy | what 's the difference between "Geany" and "Iceweasel" window types ? why does one has bigger fonts and the other has smaller fonts in the menu, toolbars ? a screenshot is here, please help >> http://i.imgur.com/EoJzU.png |
| 18:36.18 | sidvicious | wols, /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: linux-image-2.6.32-bpo.4-686 is broken or not fully installed |
| 18:36.37 | wols | !tell sidvicious about errors |
| 18:36.43 | sidvicious | wols, should i reinstall it? |
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| 18:37.15 | valdyn | xy: maybe you want iceweasel-gnome-support |
| 18:37.22 | sidvicious | wols, that message is what I got when I run dpkg-reconfigure |
| 18:38.01 | ||cw | xy: something odd with your window manager |
| 18:38.02 | wols | sidvicious: what error messages did aptitude give you whenyou installed? |
| 18:38.17 | sidvicious | wols, none that I remember |
| 18:38.25 | ||cw | sidvicious: apt-get -f install and see what it says |
| 18:38.26 | sidvicious | wols, should i reinstall it? |
| 18:38.31 | xy | valdyn: let me tell ya another problem, i've forked xbindkeys, it works as it should in Geany, but not in Iceweasel. |
| 18:38.38 | sidvicious | ||cw, ok |
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| 18:39.05 | xy | s/forked/used\sas\sa\sbackground\sprocess\sto\sbind\ssome\skeys |
| 18:39.12 | xy | ||cw: i'm using openbox wm |
| 18:39.37 | valdyn | xy: i think you are using gnome/gtk applications with no gnome backends |
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| 18:39.53 | valdyn | xy: the gtk config files are messy |
| 18:39.57 | xy | valdyn: gnome backends, for e.g. ? |
| 18:40.10 | valdyn | xy: gnome-settings-daemon and gconfd-2 |
| 18:40.30 | xy | valdyn: why do i need them ? |
| 18:40.40 | xy | valdyn: i'm not using Gnome as my desktop environment |
| 18:40.41 | valdyn | xy: you dont need those daemons |
| 18:40.45 | sidvicious | ||cw, got some errors |
| 18:40.47 | xy | i just want the gtk theme support |
| 18:41.00 | valdyn | xy: but they are one *functional* configuration backend for both gnome/gtk and iceweasel |
| 18:41.26 | valdyn | xy: the gtk config files are a little messy ( you don't easily know which program uses which config file ) |
| 18:41.29 | sidvicious | ||cw, about linux-base too |
| 18:41.48 | sidvicious | damn |
| 18:41.56 | ||cw | could you be any less specific? |
| 18:42.02 | xy | valdyn: okay, so that means, i need it installed for the *theme-support* too, btw what about my "xbindkeys" problem ? |
| 18:42.08 | sidvicious | sorry |
| 18:42.15 | valdyn | xy: i have: .gtkrc .gtkrc-1.2-gnome2 .gtkrc-2.0 .gtkrc-2.0.mine .gtkrc.mine .gtkrc-2.0-kde |
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| 18:42.39 | sidvicious | ||cw, when i ran apt-get -f i got errors envolving linux-base |
| 18:42.44 | valdyn | xy: no you dont need it for theme support either |
| 18:42.52 | ||cw | sidvicious: the errors will usually give you a hint as to how to fix it it, like no space on device or some such |
| 18:42.55 | sidvicious | tried dpkg reconfigure it but, it is broken too |
| 18:42.56 | xy | valdyn: then, what's wrong :S |
| 18:43.10 | ||cw | outside of that, we can't help you with specific error messages |
| 18:43.13 | valdyn | xy: but my point is that you cant easily see if and why iceweasel is using *different* config file(s) than the real gtk applications |
| 18:43.16 | ||cw | er, without |
| 18:43.25 | sidvicious | ahhh ok |
| 18:43.39 | xy | valdyn: it's not just iceweasel, other applications too. |
| 18:44.09 | valdyn | xy: other applications are a seperate issue right now as nothing else uses iceweasels GUI toolkit |
| 18:44.21 | sidvicious | ||cw, so take a look at this: Setting up linux-base (2.6.32-11~bpo50+1) ... Invalid output format udev. Choose from value, device, list, or full |
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| 18:44.37 | xy | valdyn: i see. |
| 18:44.37 | valdyn | xy: unless youre saying that "other" = "mozilla apps" |
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| 18:44.50 | sidvicious | ||cw, this is the first error I got when run apt-get -f |
| 18:44.51 | ||cw | sidvicious: can't say I've seen that before, google it |
| 18:45.09 | sidvicious | yeah |
| 18:45.11 | abrotman | sidvicious: amd64? 686 ? |
| 18:45.18 | sidvicious | abrotman, 686 |
| 18:45.23 | abrotman | aptitude install -t lenny-backports linux-image-686 linux-base_ |
| 18:45.38 | valdyn | xy: i cant give you precise help unfortunately, i debugged this for myself a long time ago and i showed you my stale files. Now im just using the gnome backends |
| 18:46.07 | xy | valdyn: i did dpkg-reconfigure iceweasel, and restarted it, and now it's okay :) |
| 18:46.20 | valdyn | xy: well, that was easy |
| 18:46.39 | wols | sidvicious: 19:24 < themill> mmarc__: aptitude install -t lenny-backports linux-image-amd64 linux-base_ |
| 18:46.43 | xy | valdyn: btw, why isn't xbindkeys working @ when i focus on desktop.. or iceweasel ? |
| 18:46.50 | valdyn | xy: no idea about that |
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| 18:48.16 | sidvicious | ok |
| 18:49.39 | sidvicious | now I got a initrd, i 'll reboot, thanks very much again |
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| 18:54.49 | sidvicious | oh no man...i was wrong |
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| 18:55.04 | sidvicious | the initrd i saw was from the old kernel |
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| 18:56.26 | sidvicious | i ran the command aptitude install -t lenny-backports linux-image-686 linux-base_ it didn't show any errors, then when updating grub it didn't find the new kernel |
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| 18:56.43 | sidvicious | is the package name "linux-base_", is it right? |
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| 18:57.50 | ||cw | there is no package in lenny called linux-base* |
| 18:58.16 | sidvicious | that command removed the new kernel i have installed! |
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| 18:58.34 | ||cw | "that command".... |
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| 18:59.06 | sidvicious | ||cw, the command I just said mani |
| 18:59.07 | sidvicious | man |
| 18:59.18 | sidvicious | 6 lines above |
| 18:59.23 | ||cw | dude, I hope you can take this constructively, but you really gotta work harder at helping us help you... we can't see your screen |
| 18:59.53 | ||cw | didn't the output say it was going to? |
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| 19:00.25 | sidvicious | ||cw, output of? |
| 19:00.38 | Rebells | Folks, do you know which package contains debian specific background images? |
| 19:00.47 | Rebells | I am using KDE |
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| 19:01.30 | sidvicious | don't i need to install headers too? |
| 19:02.38 | Danic | I installed debian. How can I send an email with any domain? |
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| 19:04.43 | abrotman | Danic: like a spammer? |
| 19:04.51 | Danic | exactly ;) |
| 19:04.59 | abrotman | Rebells: i think it's desktop-base .. but i'm not 100% certain |
| 19:04.59 | Danic | i want to test something. |
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| 19:05.50 | ||cw | Danic: with an MTA |
| 19:05.53 | mguy | Danic: http://www.simplescripts.de/smtp-check-port-25-telnet-command.htm |
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| 19:06.43 | Rebells | abrotman: great, thats it! |
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| 19:08.29 | BenBE | Any Debian Developer present who could do e a favor? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=584251; Would also close 579080 - |
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| 19:09.37 | Danic | ||cw i have installed an mta, but i lack of the command. i did a man mailx, but all i find is "-a" to attach mail headers |
| 19:09.42 | abrotman | BenBE: you just filed that bug today .. Patience? |
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| 19:10.08 | Danic | mguy, i want to send it from my machine. |
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| 19:10.44 | BenBE | abrotman Considering that the Maintainer Team managed to skip 9 months of their work (3 intermediate releases) ... Why? |
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| 19:10.52 | ||cw | Danic: so telnet to localhost |
| 19:10.55 | abrotman | BenBE: ask the maintainer .. |
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| 19:11.11 | BenBE | abrotman I didn (7 days ago): No response. |
| 19:11.39 | abrotman | BenBE: possibly on vacation ? |
| 19:11.50 | Danic | ||cw, i thougt there might be a easier way than telnetting to localhost. |
| 19:12.10 | BenBE | hmmm, missing 3 intermediate releases? I'd love to get such long vacation ... |
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| 19:12.54 | mguy | Danic: How easy do you want it to be? |
| 19:13.04 | abrotman | BenBE: maybe you should adopt the package yourself |
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| 19:14.12 | plet | is there something more light-weight than syslog-ng ? |
| 19:14.17 | Danic | mailx -x from@from.fr -y to@to.to -s subject "hello my name ist" |
| 19:14.18 | BenBE | I already thought about this ... Any resources what steps I need to take? |
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| 19:14.45 | abrotman | !tell BenBE about mg |
| 19:14.49 | abrotman | might be a good start to read that |
| 19:15.19 | Linuturk | I'm trying to install the latest debian amd64 using a netinstall disk. unfortunately, I'm getting a kernel panic as the server tries to load the installer. It states it cannot load the memory map. |
| 19:15.37 | ||cw | Danic: use any ol' mail program |
| 19:15.39 | Linuturk | this is a dual-quad core cpu system, with 16 GB of ram |
| 19:16.02 | BenBE | abrotman Any way to start off at the current (existing) 1.0.8.4-1 packages? |
| 19:16.31 | Danic | i thought mailx is old. well, nevermind, telnet will do the trick |
| 19:16.32 | NoCode | How can I install python 2.6 when programs rely on 2.5? Actually, I have both installed, but it seems that when I try to remove 2.5 other dependencies seem to want to be removed. What can I do to get the dependencies to use 2.6? |
| 19:16.35 | ||cw | Linuturk: memory map error, if it's the one i've seen, is common and harmless |
| 19:16.38 | abrotman | get the source package and look at it |
| 19:16.47 | abrotman | NoCode: you don't want to do that .. |
| 19:16.54 | Linuturk | ||cw: harmless, but I can't actually install the system |
| 19:17.00 | ||cw | Linuturk: try removing some ram? most i've done is 8GB |
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| 19:17.10 | ||cw | Linuturk: well, it may be unrelated |
| 19:17.20 | Linuturk | ||cw: I'd like to avoid that. This is a racked server |
| 19:17.20 | NoCode | okay |
| 19:17.50 | ||cw | Linuturk: modify the boot params and remove quiet and splash ? |
| 19:18.30 | Linuturk | i'm using the text installer, so shouldn't that show all the errors? |
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| 19:18.43 | BenBE | abrotman k, already did. Just was asking if there was anything else that was required besides. (file-wise) |
| 19:18.55 | alexisblue | hi |
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| 19:21.13 | abrotman | BenBE: you'd do better to read the packaging manual |
| 19:21.33 | ||cw | Linuturk: dunno |
| 19:22.42 | alexisblue | i have installe nginx with fastcgi from lighttpd |
| 19:22.52 | alexisblue | i ahve removed lighttp form rc.d files |
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| 19:23.26 | alexisblue | but every time i want to installa an update or a package i hava and error about lighttpd |
| 19:23.45 | alexisblue | is possible to remove the package from update process? |
| 19:24.20 | abrotman | show us the error |
| 19:25.28 | alexisblue | Configuro lighttpd (1.4.19-5) ... |
| 19:25.28 | alexisblue | Starting web server: lighttpd2010-06-02 21:16:37: (network.c.300) can't bind to port: 80 Address already in use |
| 19:25.28 | alexisblue | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:25.28 | alexisblue | invoke-rc.d: initscript lighttpd, action "start" failed. |
| 19:25.28 | alexisblue | dpkg: errore processando lighttpd (--configure): |
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| 19:25.29 | dpkg | wish i knew, alexisblue |
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| 19:26.01 | alexisblue | sorry |
| 19:26.11 | alexisblue | i have click the mouse badly |
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| 19:26.45 | keith4 | alexisblue: looks like lighttpd is already running, and listening on port 80 |
| 19:27.06 | alexisblue | is not..on port 80 there is nginx |
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| 19:27.32 | \amethyst | that would do it too |
| 19:27.38 | keith4 | oh, right. sorry. lighttpd can't start, because nginx ia already running |
| 19:27.56 | \amethyst | reconfigure one of them to run on a different port, or reconfigure both to bind only to (different) specific addresses |
| 19:28.17 | keith4 | or just stop one before installing the other... and then be sure to make sure one doesn't auto-start |
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| 19:29.59 | alexisblue | i have removed lighttpd from rcd's with update-rc.d -f ecc... |
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| 19:30.18 | alexisblue | this error occurs when i update or installa a pacckage |
| 19:30.19 | Linuturk | I'm getting this message ||cw "Cannot find a valid memory mapPANIC: early exception 0e rip 10:ffffffff8021ed9e error 0 cr2 ffffffffff5fb0f0 |
| 19:30.23 | alexisblue | with apt-get |
| 19:31.31 | abrotman | alexisblue: some other web server is installed |
| 19:31.44 | alexisblue | ok |
| 19:31.49 | alexisblue | i try to remove lighttps |
| 19:31.52 | alexisblue | *d |
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| 19:34.17 | alexisblue | abrotman: now apt-get is ok tnx...sorry but i'm a newbie |
| 19:34.37 | SanGohan | salut world :) |
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| 19:35.50 | ||cw | Linuturk: what kernel version is it booting, do you know? |
| 19:36.26 | ||cw | Linuturk: only similar references I see are to 2.6.27 and newer kernels work |
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| 19:37.35 | alexisblue | for iptable command wiah packet i must install? |
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| 19:39.02 | alexisblue | sorry done |
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| 19:44.52 | puty | the best free mail server on debian? |
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| 19:45.56 | SanGohan | puty: it depends on what you're looking for? |
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| 19:46.38 | ||cw | postfix and exim are both nice |
| 19:46.40 | abrotman | puty: in most cases, postfix or exim do the job well |
| 19:46.54 | ||cw | I personally prefer postfix though |
| 19:46.58 | SanGohan | puty: i confirm ;) |
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| 19:47.12 | abrotman | ||cw: we know you're a closet qmail user! |
| 19:47.16 | puty | thank's man |
| 19:47.19 | ||cw | sendmail works well too, if you're a masochist |
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| 19:47.28 | ||cw | I tried qmail once |
| 19:47.35 | SanGohan | NOT SENDMAIL!!! :) |
| 19:47.49 | puty | postfix is well |
| 19:48.03 | abrotman | when i first got here, it was qmail and whatever blasted pop3d that thing used |
| 19:48.10 | ||cw | hm, i wonder by my nokia 770 keeps rebooting with the stable release on it |
| 19:48.14 | puty | i was thinking about postfix and exim |
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| 19:49.12 | SanGohan | puty:what do you want to do? smtp server? so i suggest postfix for multiple domains. pop/imap with ssl if you want? i suggest dovecot. |
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| 19:49.58 | puty | basicly is for one domain |
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| 19:50.22 | puty | send and recive emails |
| 19:50.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | but... sendmail impresses the girls, no? |
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| 19:50.30 | jordanm | he can use sendmail if he wants to... |
| 19:50.33 | puty | pop and smpt |
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| 19:50.41 | jordanm | is a sendmail admin |
| 19:50.56 | petemc | jordanm: would you recommend it? |
| 19:51.01 | jordanm | petemc: no :) |
| 19:51.02 | puty | outlook compatibility and ssl as well |
| 19:51.06 | petemc | :) |
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| 19:51.49 | petemc | puty: postfix/exim and dovecot are a popular combination |
| 19:52.13 | jordanm | puty: whatever you go with, make sure you check your server out with http://www.abuse.net/relay.html |
| 19:52.27 | abrotman | i'm an open relay! |
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| 19:52.35 | petemc | i personally farm that shit out to google as it can be a pain to run a mailserver |
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| 19:52.56 | puty | i learn about about postfix and sound good |
| 19:53.00 | abrotman | that quick? |
| 19:53.01 | SanGohan | don't forget to install : clamav+daemon+amavis yo interface with your mail server ;) |
| 19:53.09 | jordanm | !open relay |
| 19:53.09 | dpkg | somebody said open relay was a promiscuous mail server (MTA) which accepts messages from anyone, for anyone, and relays them. Used by spammers to amplify their own bandwidth. Running an open relay is *bad*, and you will be blacklisted.. To test for open relay you can telnet relay-test.mail-abuse.org |
| 19:53.22 | SanGohan | no open relay!!! |
| 19:53.23 | abrotman | SanGohan: those aren't required |
| 19:53.27 | jordanm | anyone know what dpkg is talking about with testing your relaying by telnetting to another server? |
| 19:53.34 | puty | dont worry i will asking :) |
| 19:53.51 | SanGohan | abrotma: for a mail server? bbaah...yes... i think it's required |
| 19:53.52 | abrotman | jordanm: try it ? |
| 19:54.02 | abrotman | no, they are not |
| 19:54.04 | petemc | it doesnt work any more |
| 19:54.08 | petemc | hasnt for a while iirc |
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| 19:54.22 | sidvicious | now I could sucessfully install the kernel 2.6.30, and it solved my wireless problem, thank u. just don 't know why kernel 2.6.32 gave me so much errors |
| 19:54.25 | puty | asking, learning and remeberring :) |
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| 19:54.43 | Hans_Henrik | whats the name of that bot again? |
| 19:54.55 | saulo | Hello all, I'm crazy with samba here! I'm with problem with roaming profiles: they don't go to my server at most machines (some machines work good with any profile, but most of them do not save the profile at server). What could be? |
| 19:54.57 | SanGohan | abrotma: we disagree, but no problem ;) any admin configure his servers as he wants ;) |
| 19:54.58 | jordanm | dpkg open relay =~ s,telnet relay-test.mail-abuse.org,use http://www.abuse.net/relay.html, |
| 19:54.58 | dpkg | OK, jordanm |
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| 19:55.51 | petemc | jordanm: my bad, it still does! |
| 19:55.52 | puty | hey mans where i can register my pretty nick :)?? |
| 19:56.04 | petemc | 2010-06-02 20:55:42 H=cygnus.mail-abuse.org [168.61.4.13] F=<> rejected RCPT <nobody@mail-abuse.org>: authentication required |
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| 19:56.44 | jordanm | petemc: you can change it back if you want, the website is likely more clear anyways |
| 19:56.49 | petemc | aye |
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| 19:58.09 | puty | is possible or not pls |
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| 19:58.46 | petemc | puty: /msg nickserv help |
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| 19:59.18 | puty | thanks |
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| 20:01.28 | cafaro | Hey I want to use msn on debian using pidgin, however the pidgin in lenny doesn't have an msn protocol...? so I tried the .deb from pidgin.im, but I get an error about a file not existing...? anyone could help me with this? thanks! error: http://pastebin.com/M7N81aYG |
| 20:01.36 | puty | ok puty registered :) |
| 20:01.54 | jhutchins_lt | My CD drive is detecting a regular data CD as a blank. |
| 20:01.56 | jordanm | cafaro: install pidgin from lenny-backports |
| 20:02.01 | jordanm | !tell cafaro about bpo |
| 20:02.12 | puty | puty=putero=player or something lie this :o))) |
| 20:02.38 | ||cw | jhutchins_lt: all cd's or just one? |
| 20:02.48 | jhutchins_lt | This particular one. |
| 20:03.06 | jhutchins_lt | New Linksys software CD - I'm hoping it has a PDF manual on it. |
| 20:03.41 | ||cw | you can download manuals |
| 20:03.49 | ||cw | odd though |
| 20:04.06 | jhutchins_lt | should I have an iso9660 entry in proc/filesystems? |
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| 20:04.46 | ||cw | I'd think so |
| 20:04.48 | vlt | Hello. I installed SANE on both Debian lenny and squeeze. I can run `scanimage -d 'hpaio:/usb/my_local_device'` successfully but when trying this from remote with `scanimage -d 'net:host:hpaio:/usb/...'` I get "failed: Error during device I/O" there and some errors like "io/hpmud/musb.c 136: unable get_string_descriptor -1: Operation not permitted" locally. The client is enables in saned.conf. Any idea? |
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| 20:05.01 | ||cw | er, maybe not |
| 20:05.21 | dexu | how i see what program use more RAM memory ? |
| 20:05.28 | vlt | dexu: top |
| 20:05.48 | dexu | yes but i have 10 proces of apache , i whant all together |
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| 20:06.12 | vlt | dexu: `free` |
| 20:06.18 | axolx | how can i add OR to a sh statement like if [ -c "$device1" ] ? |
| 20:06.27 | axolx | sorry, tried googling but the word or is tricky |
| 20:06.37 | vlt | axolx: try "-o" |
| 20:06.39 | puty | is good practice to install web server and mail server on the same machine? |
| 20:06.42 | axolx | vlt: thx |
| 20:06.51 | cafaro | jordanm: I get a signature error, after updating my sources.list, what's that about? => http://pastebin.com/SrCpREjW |
| 20:07.16 | jordanm | puty: every linux server should have some form of MTA. Often web application will want to send out emails, as well as cron, logwatch, etc |
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| 20:07.30 | jhutchins_lt | I think the drive's probably fried. |
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| 20:08.59 | jhutchins_lt | jordanm: not that those are web applications. |
| 20:08.59 | jordanm | cafaro: that means you didn't follow the instructions on the website or dpkg's instructions (install the keyring) |
| 20:09.00 | jordanm | jhutchins_lt: no, "web applications" was a seperate example |
| 20:09.00 | dexu | vlt ? i dont understand |
| 20:09.07 | puty | ok i'll understand it |
| 20:09.16 | vlt | dexu: If `top` doesn't suit you and you need ... ok |
| 20:09.48 | vlt | dexu: If `top` doesn't suit you and you need a summary simply use `free` |
| 20:09.57 | jordanm | puty: if you only have one server that can be exposed to the net like I do, then you of course run everything on it (not recommended for work production) |
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| 20:10.38 | jhutchins_lt | axolx: if/else |
| 20:10.51 | jhutchins_lt | axolx: if/then/else that is. |
| 20:11.00 | jordanm | anyone know why there are seperate lists on alioth than lists.debian.org? are those unofficial? |
| 20:11.05 | jhutchins_lt | axolx: http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/ |
| 20:11.16 | abrotman | jordanm: there is a #alioth or something on OFTC |
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| 20:12.12 | puty | yes can be exposed to the net. i have another server for work |
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| 20:12.47 | jhutchins_lt | jordanm: alioth doesn't look to have been updated recently. |
| 20:14.05 | jordanm | aburch: thanks |
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| 20:16.00 | jordanm | ah, it looks like alioth is a service for developers and thus most of the lists are dev oriented |
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| 20:16.19 | vlt | My current workaround is: instead of running `scanimage -d net:host:hpaio:/usb/... > image` I use `ssh host scanimage -d 'hpaio:/usb/...' > image`. Any idea why saned refuses to work? |
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| 20:16.26 | puty | one more question. I'am thinking put debian server with web and mail server installed bettwen router and may switch. what do u thing? somethink like firewall with iptables |
| 20:17.06 | vlt | puty: What exactly is your question? |
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| 20:17.20 | puty | if is well |
| 20:17.38 | puty | or your opinion |
| 20:17.42 | puty | yours |
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| 20:19.14 | vlt | puty: If you put it between a router and a switch it usually needs two NICs and is router itself. What exactly do you want to do? |
| 20:20.03 | jordanm | puty: I prefer pfsense as a firewall OS. it is not debian however |
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| 20:21.15 | puty | with debian i can easy block ports |
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| 20:21.23 | puty | iptables |
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| 20:21.44 | puty | and use some scripts to contolate bandwich |
| 20:21.54 | puty | control bandwich |
| 20:22.10 | jordanm | yes, but openbsd packet filtering is argueably more robust and pfsense provides it through an easy web interface |
| 20:22.19 | jordanm | you shouldn't use "scripts" to implement QOS |
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| 20:22.39 | jordanm | !lartc |
| 20:22.40 | dpkg | lartc is probably the Linux Advanced Routing & Traffic Control HOWTO. http://lartc.org/ #lartc on irc.oftc.net. See also <wondershaper>. |
| 20:23.02 | rtubio | how can I know which driver I need if I only have the PCI-ID of certain device? (Bus 002 Device 002: ID 056a:00e3 Wacom Co., Ltd) |
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| 20:23.11 | valdyn | !which driver |
| 20:23.11 | dpkg | To work out what module you need to load for your PCI card, try pasting the output from "lspci -n" into http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ . To determine the driver currently associated with an Ethernet interface, ask me about <which ethernet module>. To show the video driver used by your X server: grep Load.*mod.*driv /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 20:23.13 | jordanm | puty: you should definatly have a look at that if you do plan to use debian/linux for a firewall |
| 20:23.14 | puty | jordanm i'am agree but i have debian rihgt installed |
| 20:23.54 | jordanm | puty: are you talking about running a firewall on your web/mail server? |
| 20:24.07 | puty | no exactly |
| 20:24.20 | puty | just filter some traffic |
| 20:24.30 | rtubio | and if the output comes from lsusb instead from lspci? |
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| 20:24.35 | jordanm | filter what traffic? |
| 20:24.49 | jordanm | rtubio: then its more difficult to determine |
| 20:25.12 | valdyn | judd: usb 056a:00e3 |
| 20:25.14 | rtubio | ok... the device is a touchscreen, usb-id = Bus 002 Device 002: ID 056a:00e3 Wacom Co., Ltd |
| 20:25.18 | rtubio | any ideas? |
| 20:25.27 | valdyn | rtubio: lsusb -n gives what? |
| 20:25.51 | puty | trafic from lan |
| 20:25.53 | valdyn | ops, no |
| 20:25.59 | rtubio | no, there is no "-n" option for lsusb |
| 20:26.36 | valdyn | 046d:c00e is sufficient, I just dont know right now what judd takes |
| 20:26.48 | valdyn | judd: test |
| 20:26.57 | valdyn | dpkg: test |
| 20:26.57 | dpkg | Test failed. |
| 20:26.59 | valdyn | aha |
| 20:27.24 | valdyn | judd isnt talking to me at all it seems |
| 20:27.27 | Hans_Henrik | i think i found a bug in dpkg, any idea how/where to report that? :p |
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| 20:29.28 | valdyn | rtubio: thats a wacom tablet... |
| 20:29.38 | rtubio | yes, I know |
| 20:29.39 | valdyn | rtubio: driver is wacom too |
| 20:29.51 | valdyn | rtubio: you dont need to know that though, its usb, its hotpluggable |
| 20:29.59 | valdyn | !wacom |
| 20:30.00 | dpkg | i guess wacom is 'man 4 wacom'; or /usr/doc/HOWTO/en-html/mini/Wacom-USB-mini-HOWTO.html; They are graphics tablets :), or for debian specific help check out http://www.i3s.unice.fr/~ol/success.html |
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| 20:30.40 | puty | Jordanm basicly block some ports to access to internet (p2p) |
| 20:30.41 | rtubio | ok, thank you very much valdyn, the real problem was that I knew that it was the touchscreen but I did not know how to configure it, thanks for the links! |
| 20:31.46 | rtubio | does anybody know a site that explains how to configure a touchscreen (wacom) device???? |
| 20:31.56 | rtubio | (the link "dpkg" provides is not available) |
| 20:31.57 | jordanm | puty: you should implement that on your network gateway, not your server |
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| 20:32.24 | valdyn | rtubio: try gpointing-device-settings |
| 20:32.29 | jordanm | puty: and whitelisting ports is recommended over blacklisting |
| 20:32.31 | rtubio | ok, thanks |
| 20:33.07 | puty | yes i agree but the switch that i have is to old and limited |
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| 20:35.11 | rtubio | valdyn: one question... gpointing-device-settings is not for touchpad? |
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| 20:35.18 | valdyn | rtubio: no idea |
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| 20:35.22 | jordanm | !synaptics |
| 20:35.22 | dpkg | Synaptics is a X.org driver for the touchpad on many laptops. For use in X, install the xserver-xorg-input-synaptics package and "man synaptics" for driver options; GUI configuration tools include gsynaptics and gpointing-device-settings (Squeeze). If it's not working, try "modprobe -r psmouse ; modprobe psmouse". This driver does not support X.org auto-configuration in Lenny. See also <trackpoint>. |
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| 20:35.35 | valdyn | rtubio: it sure is for synaptics touchpads, i dont know about wacom |
| 20:36.38 | rtubio | ok, thanks valdyn... the problem is that i still couldn't find any website about configuring touchscreen devices (wacom) on debian |
| 20:37.00 | jordanm | didn't that factoid have some links? |
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| 20:37.52 | puty | jordanm anyway i'll check pfsense looks good |
| 20:37.54 | puty | thanks |
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| 20:39.48 | bolt | I have an old thinkpad, on which the network card hangs once it's stressed. even happens during packet download during install. it's using a 16-bit PCMCIA 100mbit netgear adapter. I've tried another one, and they both do this. Works fine under Windows. When the card is stressed, it prints a lot of "bogus packet size <number>" and then the network goes down. I then have to restart it with ifconfig down/up and fetch a new ip. What can I do about this? |
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| 20:41.11 | docgnome | I've got a broadcom BCM57780 wired nic in a machine and when i try to install debian 5.04 it fails because it doesn't recognize the nic |
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| 20:42.09 | Appetite | what do i need to install to be able to convert .flv to .m4v and .mp4 files? i got ffmpeg and mencoder, but i'm missing a library i think |
| 20:42.14 | jordanm | !kmotu |
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| 20:42.51 | jordanm | !kmuto |
| 20:42.51 | dpkg | For Debian Lenny installers with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ . The <bnx2> and <bnx2x> firmware files for Linux 2.6.32 are included in 0116 images. |
| 20:43.12 | jordanm | Appetite: likely need the versions from DMM, if you don't already |
| 20:43.12 | docgnome | thanks |
| 20:43.16 | jordanm | !tell Appetite about dmm |
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| 20:59.25 | rato | what is the meaning of TLS in some version ?! (i'm noob.) |
| 21:00.03 | jordanm | rato: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transport_Layer_Security |
| 21:00.27 | rato | jordanm: thankz |
| 21:00.58 | jordanm | if you were looking for a more specific answer, you will need to ask a more specific question |
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| 21:05.26 | DelphiWorld | afternoun |
| 21:05.51 | DelphiWorld | lol |
| 21:05.57 | DelphiWorld | lot of ban's in #debian! |
| 21:05.58 | DelphiWorld | :P |
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| 21:06.57 | Hans_Henrik | debian isn't a typo of deban? |
| 21:07.00 | DelphiWorld | doe debian is recomanded for embedded platform? |
| 21:07.24 | dondelelcaro | DelphiWorld: depends what you mean by embedded |
| 21:07.55 | dondelelcaro | DelphiWorld: for some, you can just use Debian, for others, you'll want emdebian |
| 21:08.13 | DelphiWorld | always prefer debian.........apt! |
| 21:09.46 | docgnome | hrm. that 0116 image didn't work :-( trying a different one now |
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| 21:18.00 | NativeAngels | hello has anyone here installed linux on a sunfire v100 |
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| 21:18.54 | Bushmills | if anyone is annoyed by not being able to pick up / mark and copy an URL or other text in aptitude, for example the link to the homepage of a package, and finds himself typing the URL over into a browser - sakura (X terminal emulator) can pick URLs up and can open a web browser with them, by mouse click. |
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| 21:19.54 | sidvicious | how to open folders on the same nautilus window? and how to enable nautilus navigation bar on lenny? |
| 21:20.10 | Bushmills | ctrl-L i think |
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| 21:20.42 | lindi- | Bushmills: hmm, why can't you copy the text in gnome-terminal? |
| 21:20.46 | \amethyst | Bushmills: as can gnome-terminal... or in xterm you can hold shift to select |
| 21:21.06 | Bushmills | lindi-: try to run aptitude in gnome-terminal, and copy from there |
| 21:21.30 | lindi- | Bushmills: well of course you need to hold shift |
| 21:21.53 | jnewt | something is wrong with my bash autocomplete on the console. if i'm at /etc, and type apach, it autocompletes to apache2/, all good |
| 21:22.02 | \amethyst | also, try hovering the mouse over a URL and right clicking |
| 21:22.14 | jnewt | if, from the same place, type cd apach<tab> |
| 21:22.52 | valdyn | Bushmills: since when does that not work? |
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| 21:23.13 | valdyn | Bushmills: or which terminal emulator does not support cut & paste ? |
| 21:23.16 | jnewt | i get a no such file or directory, -sh: <(compgetn -d -- 'apach' ): no such file or directory |
| 21:23.28 | valdyn | Bushmills: ( they all do ) |
| 21:23.55 | Bushmills | rxvt does, except with some curses programs, such as aptitude. |
| 21:24.04 | jnewt | so, putting a command, cd, vi, etch in front of the file to autocomplete, causes it to fail. |
| 21:24.05 | \amethyst | valdyn: aptitude uses the mouse, though, so you have to hold shift to get the terminal emulator's functions |
| 21:24.33 | lindi- | valdyn: clipboard is bit challenging in xterm. it's really only geared for primary selection |
| 21:24.34 | \amethyst | Bushmills: holding shift also works with rxvt |
| 21:24.37 | tharkun | aptitude does not let people copy from its interface on some terminals |
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| 21:25.33 | tharkun | I can't generalize but it will not let you in xterm, g-termal urxvt and the one on kde (sorry can't remember the name) |
| 21:25.53 | krambiorix_ | hi guys, i want to install OpenOffice 3.2 but which repos do i need to use?? |
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| 21:26.05 | valdyn | in gnome terminal i can just right click and copy link or open link |
| 21:26.25 | valdyn | but I didnt know about the shift thing and i don't use this interface actually |
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| 21:27.32 | RainbowW | is smbfs no longer included in stock debian kernels? 2.6.32-3-686 ... |
| 21:27.52 | valdyn | RainbowW: its deprecated for a long time |
| 21:27.59 | Bushmills | RainbowW: should be cifs now |
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| 21:28.01 | valdyn | RainbowW: and its only needed for win98 and older |
| 21:28.08 | puty | krambiorix_ use backports debian |
| 21:28.26 | valdyn | RainbowW: cifs is better and has been better for a long time |
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| 21:28.48 | RainbowW | k. there's a howto on debian-administration i'm following, obviously out of date then. sad. |
| 21:28.57 | niteye | hmm this may be noobish question to you, but i'm trying to install phpBB, for the required stuff it detects almost everything except mySQL (though i did "apt-get install mysql-server"), how can i resolve this? |
| 21:29.14 | krambiorix_ | puty, i use deb http://www.backports.org/debian lenny-backports main contrib non-free but some parts are still of version 2 |
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| 21:29.46 | valdyn | niteye: why dont you use the phpbb3 package from debian? |
| 21:30.02 | \amethyst | niteye: it probably needs php5-mysql but I concur with valdyn |
| 21:30.03 | niteye | hmm, because i didn't know that existed :D |
| 21:30.05 | smacnay_ | When running a wm like e17, is there a method for making apps follow a certain theme? |
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| 21:30.15 | vlt | Hello. I installed SANE on both Debian lenny and squeeze. I can run `scanimage -d 'hpaio:/usb/my_local_device'` successfully but when trying this from remote with `scanimage -d 'net:host:hpaio:/usb/...'` I get "failed: Error during device I/O" there and some errors like "io/hpmud/musb.c 136: unable get_string_descriptor -1: Operation not permitted" locally. The client is enables in saned.conf. Any idea? |
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| 21:30.36 | valdyn | niteye: apt-cache show phpbb3 to see depends or just use it directly |
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| 21:31.35 | warz | hi all. im trying to find just the Java JDK download for Debian, using apt-cache search. the only thing i can find is OpenJDK, or whatever. does Sun not provide a JDK installer for aptitude? |
| 21:31.55 | warz | looks like there used to be a sun-java6-* package, but i dont see it on mine. |
| 21:32.04 | valdyn | warz: its probably in non-free |
| 21:32.05 | puty | i installed office from backports |
| 21:32.43 | warz | valdyn, im sorry i dont know what that means. how do i access non-free? |
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| 21:32.44 | puty | version 3.2 |
| 21:32.50 | valdyn | !non-free |
| 21:32.50 | dpkg | rumour has it, non-free is a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system, ask me about <vrms>. For the non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/ |
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| 21:33.21 | warz | alright, checking it out. |
| 21:34.05 | warz | yup, its in there alright. |
| 21:34.15 | warz | !non-free sources |
| 21:34.15 | dpkg | Edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then aptitude update. But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses. See also <sources.list>. |
| 21:36.39 | vlt | I get this error message in daemon.log: "saned[18679]: io/hpmud/musb.c 1104: unable to open hp:/usb/hp_LaserJet_3030?serial=00CNBF103324" |
| 21:36.54 | warz | cool, valdyn. thanks. you learn something new every day. :P |
| 21:37.30 | vlt | This is when scanning from remote. Note that it replaced "hpaio:" with "hp:" (which doesn't work locally either) |
| 21:37.56 | puty | krambiorix_ http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=openoffice&searchon=names§ion=all&suite=lenny-backports |
| 21:38.04 | bolt | I have an old thinkpad, on which the network card hangs once it's stressed. even happens during packet download during install. it's using a 16-bit PCMCIA 100mbit netgear adapter. I've tried another one, and they both do this. Works fine under Windows. When the card is stressed, it prints a lot of "bogus packet size <number>" and then the network goes down. I then have to restart it with ifconfig down/up and fetch a new ip. What can I do about this? |
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| 21:38.32 | vlt | This is the full daemon.log: http://www.pastebin.org/301767 |
| 21:38.38 | lindi- | bolt: how old is it? does it have usb? |
| 21:38.54 | bolt | lindi-: 380xd. it has one usb1 port |
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| 21:39.21 | lindi- | bolt: good, i suggest that you buy and an usb network interface card |
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| 21:39.38 | krambiorix_ | thx puty |
| 21:39.43 | engla | hi, I need some advice. How can I reinstall all base system packages, I'm missing some files in /etc/init.d :-( |
| 21:39.51 | bolt | lindi-: why not the pcmcia device? |
| 21:40.11 | bolt | lots of problems with those? |
| 21:40.25 | RainbowW | engla: which files? |
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| 21:40.47 | puty | krambiorix_ i suggest first uninstall old version |
| 21:41.03 | lindi- | bolt: because fixing bugs in drivers of obsolete software can require quite a lot of effort for little gain |
| 21:41.19 | lindi- | bolt: i mean old hardware, not obsolete software :) |
| 21:41.39 | lindi- | bolt: there are very small usb-ethernet dongles available |
| 21:41.40 | engla | RainbowW: most service files, gdm, network manager etc, not so fun. The strange thing is that they don't reappear when I reinstall the respective packages |
| 21:41.48 | krambiorix_ | puty, but which line do i have to put in my sources.list? |
| 21:42.07 | puty | krambiorix_ wait one sec |
| 21:42.08 | bolt | lindi-: but it might also be as easy as switching to another driver, though... |
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| 21:42.21 | jhutchins_lt2 | bolt: I know it gets clumsy, but you can use a usb hub if you need the usb port for other things. |
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| 21:42.27 | lindi- | bolt: 16-bit pcmcia sounds somewhat deprecated sorry :) |
| 21:42.38 | puty | krambiorix_ deb http://www.backports.org/debian lenny-backports main contrib non-free |
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| 21:42.42 | Super_Cat_Frog1 | hi - does anybody know of a script that will go through my music directory and make multiple cd's from it? |
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| 21:43.00 | Super_Cat_Frog1 | i have a few cd's worth of music that I want to span multiple disks, without doing it manually preferably |
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| 21:43.12 | jhutchins_lt2 | bolt: The problem is that there were never enough of the pcmcia cards available to hackers to reverse engineer them. |
| 21:43.26 | puty | krambiorix_ is for lenny (stable) |
| 21:43.49 | jhutchins_lt2 | Super_Cat_Frog1: Sounds like the perpetual request for a program that will do a random fill of a player or a given size drive. |
| 21:43.51 | krambiorix_ | puty, yeah then i get 2.4 versions again |
| 21:43.58 | puty | krambiorix_ after apt-get -t lenny-backports install âpackageâ |
| 21:44.09 | jhutchins_lt2 | Super_Cat_Frog1: I know of no such program. |
| 21:44.21 | Super_Cat_Frog1 | jhutchins_lt2: ok thanks anyway |
| 21:44.30 | puty | krambiorix_uninstall first old |
| 21:44.38 | puty | put repo |
| 21:44.43 | puty | apt-get update |
| 21:44.45 | jhutchins_lt2 | Super_Cat_Frog1: You might look at some of the backup programs, they would be able to do a file-by-file "backup" to the CD, and switch CD's when one was full. |
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| 21:45.03 | Super_Cat_Frog1 | jhutchins_lt2: if i'm going to go to that much trouble, i'll script it |
| 21:45.14 | puty | after apt-get -t lenny-backports install âpackageâ |
| 21:45.16 | Super_Cat_Frog1 | i was hoping for something out of the box, as i'm going on a trip tomorrow and forgot to burn some cd's |
| 21:45.21 | qq- | !tell puty why aptitude |
| 21:45.34 | jhutchins_lt2 | Super_Cat_Frog1: Part of the fun is playing DJ and crafting the mix. |
| 21:45.42 | jhutchins_lt2 | Super_Cat_Frog1: Heh. |
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| 21:46.22 | krambiorix_ | puty, ok installing |
| 21:46.36 | puty | qq- why? |
| 21:46.47 | vlt | Super_Cat_Frog1: audio or data CD? |
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| 21:46.50 | Super_Cat_Frog1 | i wonder how hard that would be to add to k3b, might give that a go some time |
| 21:46.53 | Super_Cat_Frog1 | vlt: audio |
| 21:47.04 | bolt | lindi-, jhutchins_lt2: alright, then. usb it is. thanks :) |
| 21:47.10 | vlt | Super_Cat_Frog1: Then a backup tool isn't what you're looking for |
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| 21:47.37 | puty | krambiorix_ well |
| 21:48.05 | krambiorix_ | puty, great!!! |
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| 21:48.18 | krambiorix_ | and all my problems regarding open office are solved |
| 21:48.26 | krambiorix_ | perfect |
| 21:48.30 | krambiorix_ | thanks a lot puty |
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| 21:48.42 | puty | your welcome |
| 21:48.52 | puty | :) |
| 21:49.07 | krambiorix_ | puty, one more question: i see my server is using a lot of space |
| 21:49.21 | vlt | Super_Cat_Frog1: And one CD should contain what? An album? Or as much music as it can hold? |
| 21:49.27 | krambiorix_ | is there a way to see which packages aren't being used...? |
| 21:49.28 | puty | server or hard disk |
| 21:49.49 | krambiorix_ | puty, server |
| 21:50.05 | Super_Cat_Frog1 | vlt: as many files as it can fit, in no particular order |
| 21:50.10 | puty | krambiorix_ explain little more |
| 21:50.14 | Super_Cat_Frog1 | vlt: preferably random, but not necessarily |
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| 21:51.02 | krambiorix_ | puty, in windows you can see which programs are installed and how much MB they use |
| 21:51.03 | puty | krambiorix_ web server ? file server? lot of ram? lot of cpu? |
| 21:51.18 | krambiorix_ | puty, webserver , storage in GB |
| 21:51.39 | RainbowW | mkfs.ext3 produces "/lib/libblkid.so.1: version 'BLKID_2.17' not found (required by mkfs.ext3). what gives? can't format drives in squeeze anymore? |
| 21:51.59 | puty | witch gui are using? |
| 21:52.10 | qq- | Super_Cat_Frog1, tried ? > genisoimage - Creates ISO-9660 CD-ROM filesystem images |
| 21:52.15 | puty | krambiorix_ gnome? kde? |
| 21:52.21 | vlt | Super_Cat_Frog1: Should not be that hard (if you don't want to include algorithms that try to avoid wasting space ...) |
| 21:52.30 | Super_Cat_Frog1 | qq-: that'll just create isos |
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| 21:52.43 | krambiorix_ | puty: only command line |
| 21:52.46 | vlt | qq-: he wants audio |
| 21:52.51 | jordanm | ,depends mke2fs |
| 21:52.54 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'mke2fs' was found in lenny/i386. |
| 21:53.00 | jordanm | ,depends e2fsprogs |
| 21:53.01 | judd | e2fsprogs -- depends: None. |
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| 21:53.07 | Super_Cat_Frog1 | vlt: yes i know, but i'm going for a trip tomorrow, forgot to burn the cd earlier |
| 21:53.10 | puty | krambiorix_ ok |
| 21:53.10 | Super_Cat_Frog1 | *cds |
| 21:53.17 | jordanm | RainbowW: did you check the BTS? |
| 21:53.33 | Super_Cat_Frog1 | vlt: and its nearly 11pm over here |
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| 21:53.50 | RainbowW | jordanm: i'm digging now. |
| 21:53.50 | Super_Cat_Frog1 | vlt: was hoping for something pre-written that i could just attack a folder with |
| 21:54.10 | qq- | Super_Cat_Frog1, yes , but from a directory that may contain your music ...as mp3 |
| 21:54.17 | vlt | Super_Cat_Frog1: Don't think there is something that will exactly do this :( |
| 21:54.19 | puty | krambiorix_ try type this du -Sx /| sort | tail -1 |
| 21:54.27 | Linuturk | ||cw: had to update the server's bios before it would work |
| 21:54.48 | Super_Cat_Frog1 | qq-: i'd probably use that to script something, but i was hopging for something pre-written |
| 21:55.06 | docgnome | grr... so i'm trying to install debian on this box with a broadcom BCM57780 which i think needs the tg3 driver. I'm using a cd from kmoto, the i386 0116 cd. I select the tg3 driver but it just says "no ethernet card was detected" and prompts me to select a driver again |
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| 21:55.26 | Super_Cat_Frog1 | vlt: i suppose i'll have to write it some time, i keep meaning t look for something to do this but its the first time ive bothered to |
| 21:55.51 | puty | krambiorix_ this command find 15 bigest files |
| 21:56.03 | krambiorix_ | puty, ok it's running |
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| 21:56.53 | vlt | Any idea why saned would refuse a remote scanimage job? |
| 21:57.02 | puty | krambiorix_ sorry this one type: du -aS /root | sort -n | tail -15 |
| 21:57.47 | krambiorix_ | puty, http://pastebin.com/SpvNM4My |
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| 21:58.23 | docgnome | any ideas what i can try to get this thing to work? |
| 21:58.25 | jnewt | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:00.10 | puty | krambiorix_ type this: du -aS /| sort -n | tail -15 |
| 22:00.38 | puty | krambiorix_ root seems ok |
| 22:00.46 | docgnome | jnewt: was that a suggestion? |
| 22:01.40 | vlt | Is prepending --device "..." with "net:host:" to invoke scanimage remotely still the correct syntax? |
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| 22:02.38 | krambiorix_ | puty, http://pastebin.com/TQDbVRT1 |
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| 22:03.49 | puty | krambiorix_ u can see that yours log are to large |
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| 22:04.28 | krambiorix_ | puty, should i delete them always manually? |
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| 22:04.41 | puty | krambiorix_ try ask more advanced user. u can delete it but i things some server problem |
| 22:05.00 | puty | krambiorix_ maybe hardware problem check log |
| 22:05.11 | krambiorix_ | puty, okay thx! |
| 22:05.26 | puty | your welcome |
| 22:05.46 | puty | i learned this here :) good teachers over here |
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| 22:06.38 | puty | krambiorix_ always take a note and save solucions on blocknote:) |
| 22:06.55 | krambiorix_ | i did that ;) |
| 22:07.09 | puty | krambiorix_ me too :) |
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| 22:07.24 | puty | debian the best OS ever |
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| 22:13.16 | Guest75985 | puty, hey dude |
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| 22:13.49 | Guest75985 | puty, u forgot ubuntu |
| 22:14.20 | puty | guest75985 ubuntu is based on debian :) |
| 22:14.34 | puty | i did't:) |
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| 22:14.48 | Guest75985 | puty, ok then |
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| 22:15.47 | puty | guest75985 problem solved |
| 22:15.49 | puty | :) |
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| 22:24.31 | MajorPayne | Hey. I get the error: "No common cdrom drive was detected" when trying to instal Debian. |
| 22:25.00 | NoCode | Is gio-2.0 in Squeeze repos? |
| 22:25.01 | MajorPayne | dmesg tells me I have a TSSTcorp CDDVDW SH-S223C SB01 PQ. |
| 22:25.02 | Guest75985 | too bad |
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| 22:25.26 | MajorPayne | It works fine in FreeBSD/Ubuntu and Windows 7. |
| 22:25.33 | MajorPayne | And it boots the debian installer. |
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| 22:26.16 | qq- | try .. /msg dpkg kmuto |
| 22:27.15 | qq- | MajorPayne, tried lenny installer image ? |
| 22:27.20 | NoCode | dpkg, gio |
| 22:27.20 | dpkg | NoCode: wish i knew |
| 22:27.55 | NoCode | bleh |
| 22:28.03 | MajorPayne | qq-: This was the 5.04 net inst cd. |
| 22:28.29 | NoCode | Alright I guess I'm switching to another distro. These packages are starting to piss me off again. |
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| 22:29.25 | MajorPayne | qq-: Do you think it's a good idea if I try the full 650 mb cdrom? |
| 22:29.29 | qq- | MajorPayne, .. /msg dpkg usb install |
| 22:29.43 | qq- | MajorPayne, nno |
| 22:29.47 | qq- | no* |
| 22:29.55 | themill | dpkg: tell NoCode about search |
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| 22:30.02 | MajorPayne | :-( I thought about that, but I don't have a USB drive. |
| 22:30.36 | MajorPayne | I will ask around, maybe I can find one. |
| 22:30.45 | qq- | MajorPayne, kmuto then .. |
| 22:31.23 | gauge | ggghhj]\ |
| 22:31.43 | gauge | exceuse me. Cat on jKbgg yboard. |
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| 22:31.51 | MajorPayne | qq-: ohh, that was for me :-) |
| 22:31.56 | MajorPayne | qq-: I will take a look. |
| 22:31.59 | MajorPayne | Thanks. |
| 22:32.01 | qq- | MajorPayne, or debian-live .. (squeeze ) |
| 22:32.24 | qq- | !live |
| 22:32.24 | dpkg | The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. As of squeeze, the images can be installed with d-i. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLive/FAQ http://live.debian.net/ #debian-live on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 22:33.04 | vlt | ||cw: It seems to be a premission problem. I ran the local scanimage as root, while saned is running as user saned. I changed that to root and now remote scanning works. Any idea what non-root needs access to? |
| 22:33.05 | MajorPayne | Ok, I will try this kmuto first, and if that doesn't work I will fall back on Debian Live. Thanks qq-. |
| 22:33.20 | qq- | MajorPayne, yw |
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| 22:36.54 | zeke | i just installed debian testing. and I get "/dev on /root/dev failed: No such file or directory" etc like errors |
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| 22:37.35 | zeke | and i get busybox command prompt |
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| 22:38.30 | wols | zeke: first error please |
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| 22:39.45 | zeke | "mount: mounting /dev/disk/by-uuid/d42eb196-4da0-4052-bf32-63c082e85c1c on /root failed: Invalid argument" |
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| 22:41.41 | will__ | hello, does anyone know how to detect if debian was installed from CD or DVD |
| 22:42.19 | qq- | cat /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 22:43.45 | eikenberry | Any tools out there designed to verify files on a backup disk are not corrupted (bad disk sectors, etc). I was thinking of one of the file integrity checkers but they seem targeted solely at security. |
| 22:44.10 | will__ | qq-: thks |
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| 22:45.19 | gauge | fghj' |
| 22:45.37 | qq- | will__, cat /var/log/installer/syslog | grep cdrom-detect |
| 22:46.07 | themill | !uuoc qq- |
| 22:46.07 | dpkg | hands qq- the "useless use of cat" award |
| 22:46.43 | qq- | old school |
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| 22:47.26 | themill | qq-: eh? which version of grep didn't support opening files on its own? |
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| 22:47.59 | qq- | me , not grep |
| 22:48.28 | themill | ahh... "old school" as in "picked up bad habits a long time ago and never got rid of them" ;) |
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| 22:52.04 | will__ | indeed cat is rather useless in this case |
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| 22:52.27 | jhutchins_lt | It's a definite pain (and probably worthy of a bug report) that knetworkmanager will not allow simulataneous connections through both wired and wireless. |
| 22:52.37 | jhutchins_lt | is setting up a new router. |
| 22:53.11 | poutine | people use knetworkmanager? |
| 22:53.15 | themill | jhutchins_lt: in lenny, at least, n-m is just not designed to do these things. It's designed only to make a single connection and run dhclient. |
| 22:53.17 | poutine | amazing |
| 22:53.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | ha... what's the easiest way to get a process that pops up windows but should really run in the background out of the way... |
| 22:53.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | xnest? |
| 22:53.34 | themill | poutine: yes. But this is a n-m limitation not knetworkmanager's fault anyway. |
| 22:53.43 | poutine | themill, eh, not so sure about that |
| 22:53.51 | poutine | wicd seems to do alright |
| 22:53.59 | poutine | even gnome's network manger can do both |
| 22:54.09 | themill | poutine: umm.... wicd != network-manager. |
| 22:54.15 | poutine | I'd be surprised if knetworkmanager _was_ designed |
| 22:54.31 | poutine | "Wicd is an open source wired and wireless network manager for Linux." |
| 22:54.34 | poutine | From their project page |
| 22:54.40 | poutine | you're wrong themill, just let it go |
| 22:54.47 | themill | poutine: now you're just being a tard |
| 22:55.08 | themill | poutine: network-manager is the name of a specific package in debian. |
| 22:55.14 | jordanm | poutine: "a network manager" is _not_ the same as the application that is called "network-manager" |
| 22:55.16 | poutine | http://wicd.sourceforge.net/ <-Obvious to everyone else it's a network manager EXCEPT to themill |
| 22:55.23 | themill | sends poutine off to troll elsewhere |
| 22:55.31 | jordanm | really... |
| 22:55.38 | jhutchins_lt | poutine: I believe you want #pointless-argument |
| 22:56.00 | jordanm | ,info network-manager |
| 22:56.02 | judd | network-manager (net, optional): network management framework daemon. Version: 0.6.6-3; Size: 362.2k; Installed: 1492k; Homepage: http://www.gnome.org/projects/NetworkManager/ |
| 22:56.17 | themill | calls time |
| 22:56.21 | jhutchins_lt | themill: I'll file against network-manager if that's where the limitation is. |
| 22:56.30 | themill | jhutchins_lt: lenny or squeeze? |
| 22:56.34 | jhutchins_lt | lenny |
| 22:56.34 | poutine | it is not a limitation in network-manager |
| 22:56.39 | poutine | it's a limitation in knetworkmanager |
| 22:56.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | mmm, but xnest doesn't seem to do the authentication stuff right, I can't open anything inside it |
| 22:56.53 | jhutchins_lt | poutine: You no longer have credibility, please go away. |
| 22:56.57 | themill | jhutchins_lt: I believe that's fixed in squeeze anyway as n-m has undergone a lot of changes. |
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| 22:57.19 | poutine | I think I'll decide what I want to do myself jhutchins, thanks for your suggestion, but kindly go fuck yourself |
| 22:57.20 | jordanm | yes, and everyone knows how easy n-m is to backport :) |
| 22:57.23 | jhutchins_lt | Not surprizing, it's a pretty dynamic area in linux in general. |
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| 22:57.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | ? |
| 22:57.46 | jhutchins_lt | jordanm: I take it that's a bit of sarcasm? |
| 22:57.52 | jordanm | yes, sarcasm |
| 22:57.53 | SparFux | Hi! I bet I can trick make-kpkg into not recompiling whole kernel tree by doing "touch debian/stamp/build/kernel , right? |
| 22:58.03 | themill | jhutchins_lt: in any case, it's the sort of thing to take upstream and it's very much an upstream design decision, not a debian-specific thing. |
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| 22:58.08 | jhutchins_lt | jordanm: I would imagine it has version-specific links to a BUNCH of stuff. |
| 22:58.41 | jhutchins_lt | themill: Oh, yeah, and you know what upstream KDE is like, even if it weren't "3.5 is deprecated, no support is offered". |
| 22:58.59 | jhutchins_lt | Got to go swap routers. Hopefully brb. |
| 22:59.00 | MajorPayne | qq-: I think kmuto is working. It detected the CD drive at least. |
| 22:59.09 | themill | jhutchins_lt: well yeah.. they're being a pita about that now. |
| 22:59.12 | jordanm | SparFux: the debian package tools are intended to build in a clean environment. you can try, but I doubt its supported by the application |
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| 22:59.36 | qq- | MajorPayne, good for you ;) |
| 22:59.57 | SparFux | jordanm: if I only change one line of a file, or even bigger patches, then whole kernel recompiled takes way too long time. |
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| 23:01.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | so is there any obvious trick calling Xnest in lenny that I'm missing? |
| 23:01.06 | jordanm | SparFux: if we are talking about a single machine that does not require modules built with m-a, then I would just do it the traditional way |
| 23:01.42 | jhutchins_lt | Ping? |
| 23:01.42 | jordanm | SparFux: if we are talking about building a kernel for a large number of machines... well, 30min-1hr to compile an entire kernel really isn't very long |
| 23:01.48 | themill | jhutchins_lt: pong |
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| 23:02.04 | themill | CutMeOwnThroat: xnest will have a different magic cookie etc |
| 23:02.16 | jordanm | SparFux: I assume you have specialized needs that the default kernels do not cover? |
| 23:02.17 | SparFux | jordanm: what I do is package the nouveau linux kernel on a weekly basis. |
| 23:02.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | themill, but it's not making one (I checked) |
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| 23:02.33 | SparFux | jordanm: yes. latest nouveau graphics driver. |
| 23:02.38 | jhutchins_lt | Annnnd we're back! |
| 23:02.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's no README.Debian, just the manpage and that doesn't provide a clue (that I could find) |
| 23:02.56 | jordanm | SparFux: that is included with the current testing/sid/backports kernel AFAIK |
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| 23:03.08 | jordanm | SparFux: its part of the upstream kernel, no? |
| 23:03.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | I'm pretty sure I was able to use it a couple of years ago |
| 23:03.15 | jordanm | !nouveau |
| 23:03.15 | dpkg | Nouveau is a project with the goal of open source 3D acceleration for NVIDIA cards. Nouveau <DRM> in mainline as of Linux 2.6.33, included in linux-2.6 as of 2.6.32-10, not considered an official release. Display driver packaged as xserver-xorg-video-nouveau, no 3D support included. Read its README.Debian to enable driver use. http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/ #nouveau on irc.freenode.net. For 3D support, ask me about <nvidia>. |
| 23:03.21 | jhutchins_lt | themill: kde upstream has always refused bugreports unless you install from their sources, so it really has to be pushed upstream by the devs, not the users. |
| 23:03.27 | themill | CutMeOwnThroat: personally, I've had more success with Xephyr. |
| 23:03.30 | jordanm | SparFux: ah, only in experimental kernel |
| 23:03.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | now I just get the window with the default X background and without option to open stuff |
| 23:03.58 | themill | jhutchins_lt: up until the release of kde4 I had no problems reporting things to kde directly. |
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| 23:04.06 | SparFux | jordanm: yes, and it's not very recent. |
| 23:04.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | themill, I don't care... I just want something where the buggy vmd can call povray and pop up windows while rendering |
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| 23:04.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | (which I think is easier than fixing stuff) |
| 23:04.36 | SparFux | jordanm: development is very fast and drm, ddx and kernel have to fit. moreover, I use 3D with it. |
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| 23:05.03 | themill | CutMeOwnThroat: xephyr is a fork of xnest, btw. And packaged for debian. |
| 23:05.31 | jordanm | SparFux: are you doing so to provide feedback to upstream? why not the nvidia drivers since nouveau is so immature? |
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| 23:06.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | hmm, I just reconsider... perhaps fixing it is easier ;) |
| 23:06.08 | SparFux | jordanm: nvidia is non-free, and I failed to install it. |
| 23:06.41 | SparFux | jordanm: and the last argument iis the feedback :-) |
| 23:06.45 | jordanm | SparFux: well, the failed proprietary driver install is something we can support here on IRC... what you are doing now, you will have a bit more difficulty finding support for |
| 23:07.20 | SparFux | jordanm: hm... there is #nouveau, and they give great support. But I could manage everything myself, fortunately. |
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| 23:07.27 | SparFux | or almost everything. |
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| 23:07.45 | SparFux | You may be right, it might be a bit pointless. |
| 23:08.35 | jordanm | well, I would think its pointless if you are doing it just for your own graphics drivers. however, if you are doing bug reports and providing feedback to upstream, that is not pointless at all |
| 23:09.01 | SparFux | Ok, but I could do that without make-kpg, too. |
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| 23:10.07 | jordanm | ah, I was referring to nouveau in general :). but yeah, if we are talking one machine, just cp arch/<arch>/boot/bzImage /boot/vmlinuz-<version> and update-grub |
| 23:10.19 | SparFux | jordanm: whatever, I think make-kpkg should have an option to not make clean the whole tree. |
| 23:10.59 | jordanm | AFAIK, no debian packaging tools allow for something like that, and I even recall a similar question comming up eariler (only dealing with dpkg-buildpackage) |
| 23:11.38 | SparFux | ah, ok. so it's ment to not be like compiling packages with small patches directly. |
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| 23:14.11 | alfredo_ | hi everybody. |
| 23:14.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | themill, but I'll have a look at Xephyr for future use |
| 23:15.03 | alfredo_ | Im trying to migrate my workstation to debian but Im not sure witch installer should I use. My computer is a quad core 2. Should I use Ia64? AMD64? |
| 23:15.36 | qq- | i386 or amd 64 |
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| 23:15.59 | alfredo_ | qq-, why not ia64? |
| 23:16.12 | qq- | !ia64 |
| 23:16.12 | dpkg | [ia64] (Intel Architecture-64), a 64-bit processor architecture developed in cooperation by Intel and Hewlett-Packard, implemented by processors such as Itanium and Itanium 2. The goal of Itanium was to produce a "post-RISC era" arch using EPIC. See http://www.debian.org/ports/ia64/ -- if your CPU is opteron/athlon64/turion/sempron/xeon/em64t/pentium/core2duo/core*, then it is NOT ia64, it's <amd64>. |
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| 23:18.02 | sparr | alfredo_: imho you should ise i386 |
| 23:18.10 | sparr | 64 bit support STILL isn't "there" yet |
| 23:18.47 | abrotman | it depends on your usage patterns |
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| 23:19.04 | abrotman | if you dn't need binary-only crap from third party vendors, amd64 is fine |
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| 23:20.44 | SparFux | abrotman: binary-only crap from third party vendors who give a shit about their userss and don't offer 64-bit versions of their software, you mean :-\ |
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| 23:21.10 | abrotman | SparFux: some of them offer 64bit versions .. but they still suck :) |
| 23:21.36 | SparFux | abrotman: Ok, but those are not the ones preventing you from using amd64 arch :-) |
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| 23:22.26 | abrotman | SparFux: it might very well .. if for instance amd64 flash caused the browser to crash all the time, i wouldn't use it |
| 23:22.45 | SparFux | ah, ok. |
| 23:22.46 | JyZyXEL | the 32bit version crashes too |
| 23:22.53 | jordanm | or didn't work with hulu |
| 23:23.02 | SparFux | And I thought, only my free software flash view crash all times. |
| 23:23.32 | will__ | the amd64 arch works well |
| 23:23.46 | will__ | flash is crappy for all arch |
| 23:23.48 | jordanm | no, the free versions not only crash but also fail to work in many places |
| 23:23.49 | will__ | :-P |
| 23:23.58 | SparFux | will__: I am using amd64. |
| 23:24.29 | SparFux | flash is simply unviewable. |
| 23:24.31 | JyZyXEL | well they work in youtube... sometimes and thats about it |
| 23:25.15 | will__ | Above all Adobe EULA violate privacy |
| 23:26.29 | jordanm | flash is no longer required for youtube |
| 23:27.02 | SparFux | jordanm: with html5 I can only view one time. Then it falls back to flash it seems. |
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| 23:27.15 | JyZyXEL | if someone listed the biggest mistakes of the century i bet "letting flash have such a huge market share" would be on the list |
| 23:27.29 | jordanm | SparFux: using which browser? |
| 23:27.35 | SparFux | iceweasel. |
| 23:27.40 | SparFux | in debian sid. |
| 23:28.07 | will__ | jordanm: YouTube will be no longer in use since it share pirated contents |
| 23:28.10 | NoCode | Unetbootin not in the repos now? WTF. |
| 23:28.14 | jordanm | I didn't even know iceweasel could do it.. I thought it was only available in google-chrome due to the H.264 stuff |
| 23:28.47 | jordanm | doesn't remember unetbootin ever being in the repos... or working properly for debian installations |
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| 23:28.55 | SparFux | jordanm: you mean youtube can be seen in html5 ogg vorbis? |
| 23:28.55 | jordanm | ,versions unetbootin |
| 23:28.56 | judd | unetbootin -- sid: 442-1; squeeze: 442-1 |
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| 23:29.11 | NoCode | unetbootin worked great before |
| 23:29.21 | jordanm | SparFux: no, I was saying I thought it was H.264 only, and browsers like iceweasel would not support it |
| 23:29.24 | NoCode | it's in the repos but having trouble downloading it much like vlc |
| 23:29.29 | NoCode | pain in the ass |
| 23:29.31 | themill | NoCode: you might like to learn how to actually ask questions that indicate some level of sentient life form at your end. Omitting "WTF" from the end of every statement you make will help with this. |
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| 23:30.11 | NoCode | It installed that time |
| 23:30.20 | NoCode | anyway |
| 23:30.25 | NoCode | Time to burn an ISO. |
| 23:30.34 | NoCode | or copy |
| 23:30.36 | jordanm | !tell NoCode about enter |
| 23:30.43 | craigevil | iceweasel doesnt support html5 on youtube, only version of firefox that does is the developer preview |
| 23:31.03 | craigevil | http://www.youtube.com/html5 |
| 23:31.58 | jordanm | SparFux: looks like your choice of opera or chrome |
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| 23:35.16 | SparFux | ok, have to reboot. see you. |
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| 23:51.59 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 23:51.59 | dpkg | <helix> I just bang on the keyboard like a retarded monkey |
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| 23:52.30 | thepro4ever | how is it possible that when I run top it says firefox is using up 121% of my cpu? |
| 23:52.45 | abrotman | thepro4ever: more than one window ? |
| 23:53.00 | thepro4ever | i just have one window up |
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| 23:54.21 | thepro4ever | first of all, i thought 100% was the max |
| 23:54.35 | abrotman | do you have two CPUs? or cores ? |
| 23:54.52 | thepro4ever | i have 2 cores |
| 23:55.02 | thepro4ever | amd atholon 64 x2 |
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| 23:57.15 | abrotman | thepro4ever: so it's using parts of both cores |
