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| 00:06.29 | sCOTTo | hey guys - anyone want to talk through OpenVPN & PPTP with me? I have a server running both, I had someone create a tunnel from this server to another but now it is stopped. There --were-- users who were logging in through pptp and now they cant! I think it may be to do with openvpn settings... any advice ? |
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| 00:15.20 | flaccid | can i ask what kind of package a .deb would be for any distro i.e. works on both debian and ubuntu. noarch is kind of not it because that is machine arch independent, not distro/os ? |
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| 00:18.17 | sCOTTo | hey guys - anyone want to talk through OpenVPN & PPTP with me? I have a server running both, I had someone create a tunnel from this server to another but now it is stopped. There --were-- users who were logging in through pptp and now they cant! I think it may be to do with openvpn settings... any advice ? |
| 00:18.32 | sCOTTo | ooops sorry ppl/ |
| 00:18.36 | sCOTTo | once only I know! |
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| 00:22.56 | abrotman | flaccid: that's not the point .. the point are the dependencies and the differences between the OSes |
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| 00:23.32 | flaccid | abrotman: yeah. in this case, there is no dependencies, its a pretty portable package in that respect |
| 00:23.49 | abrotman | so what's the problem? |
| 00:24.15 | flaccid | i'm just wondering what its called and what buts say -ubuntu in the package name. i'm trying to find the field in the maint guide |
| 00:24.22 | flaccid | buts=puts |
| 00:24.57 | themill | flaccid: package name or version? |
| 00:24.58 | Bushmills | sCOTTo, check default gateway on client after connecting with openvpn |
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| 00:25.40 | flaccid | themill: e.g. foobar_5.3.0-ubuntu_8.04-i386.deb |
| 00:25.48 | flaccid | ^^ where is 'ubuntu' from |
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| 00:27.01 | abrotman | flaccid: have you thought to ask #ubuntu ? |
| 00:27.02 | themill | flaccid: that's the package version (not name). It's defined in the file debian/changelog. |
| 00:27.19 | flaccid | abrotman: sif i'd do that :) |
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| 00:27.22 | flaccid | themill: thanks y0! |
| 00:27.28 | themill | flaccid: #ubuntu-devel might be able to tell you more about what they do to their packages. |
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| 00:27.39 | abrotman | flaccid: why wouldn't oyu ask #ubuntu about an ubuntu packaging questoin ? |
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| 00:27.47 | deco | is it possible to play quake live with ice weasel debian lenny ? |
| 00:27.58 | flaccid | abrotman: its not an ubuntu packaging question. that was merely an example |
| 00:28.03 | abrotman | yes, it is |
| 00:28.04 | liable | some debian debs have ubuntu in the deb filename |
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| 00:28.21 | abrotman | liable: AFAIK, those are removed eventually |
| 00:28.30 | liable | ive gotton into an argument about it before and been proven a twat :) |
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| 00:29.54 | flaccid | right so this is http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ch-dreq.en.html#s-changelog i.e. in my ubuntu example, this the same is 'gentoo' in the above url, right? |
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| 00:32.54 | flaccid | themill: hmm that doesn't add up. the version is a number not a name like 'ubuntu' |
| 00:33.20 | themill | flaccid: is 2.6.32 a number? |
| 00:33.23 | sCOTTo | Bushmills: I killed open vpn to just run with pptpd - was that wrong to do ?? |
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| 00:33.42 | flaccid | themill: looks like it to me. 'ubuntu' is not a number |
| 00:33.46 | carloslicea | is there a way for me to get this package as a .deb file? http://packages.debian.org/source/unstable/protobuf |
| 00:33.54 | flaccid | 5.3.0 is |
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| 00:34.23 | Bushmills | sCOTTo, on ##openvpn, enter: !def1 |
| 00:34.24 | themill | flaccid: that's no a number in any counting system I know of. Note also I said "version" not "version number". |
| 00:34.34 | sCOTTo | Bushmills: you lost me. |
| 00:34.47 | sCOTTo | no I got you ok |
| 00:34.49 | sCOTTo | ok thanks :D |
| 00:34.52 | blutolpinxe | Hi, I'm trying to enable hardware acceleration. I don't really know anything about Linux/hardware so I'm not sure what's relevant but I'm pretty sure it's not a hardware problem because it works on Windows on this machine. Can anyone help me? |
| 00:35.13 | Bushmills | that will cause the bot to tell you about a way to restore default gateway after openvpn is terminated |
| 00:35.14 | flaccid | themill: so look at http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-source.html#s-dpkgchangelog . see how it says version number |
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| 00:35.36 | flaccid | so package is the source package name, so this must be ubuntu |
| 00:35.49 | flaccid | i see what you mean.. |
| 00:35.49 | themill | flaccid: *sigh*... |
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| 00:36.40 | flaccid | the above url says 'package and version are the source package name and version number.' you said version and it defines that as version number. |
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| 00:37.29 | themill | flaccid: see § 5.6.12 of policy. Also look at the the output of 'aptitude search ~i -F"%p%20v"' and see how many of them are numbers. |
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| 00:39.40 | flaccid | themill: ah looks like this is debian_revision hmm |
| 00:40.20 | themill | flaccid: correct. It's part of the package version. Just like I said 15min ago. |
| 00:40.42 | flaccid | sure, this just didn't match the above changelog information |
| 00:42.21 | flaccid | so basically to make a generic debian package, there would not be anything distro specific in the version |
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| 00:42.30 | flaccid | i got that right? |
| 00:42.48 | themill | flaccid: no. The version string has nothing to do with whether the package works properly. |
| 00:43.06 | flaccid | i didn't say that |
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| 00:43.18 | flaccid | obviously ubuntu frequently puts 'ubuntu' in the version string |
| 00:43.27 | themill | flaccid: how can it be a generic package if it doesn't work properly? |
| 00:43.44 | flaccid | who said anything about it not working properly? |
| 00:43.53 | themill | gives up |
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| 00:44.16 | flaccid | my package will be distro independent so of course its going to work properly |
| 00:44.18 | flaccid | you get that right? |
| 00:44.44 | themill | flaccid: how do you figure that it will be distro independent? |
| 00:45.03 | flaccid | it basically installs into /opt and doesn't have any deps |
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| 00:45.27 | themill | it's only data files then? |
| 00:45.56 | flaccid | well one will be like that yes. another will require testing and a support scope |
| 00:47.10 | flaccid | i do appreciate your help |
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| 01:06.53 | sechrist | hi guys -- I'm trying to compile d8 tools for google v8, and it's complaining because my libstdc++ is 64 bit when all of it's crap has been built 32 |
| 01:06.53 | sechrist | \ |
| 01:07.00 | sechrist | is there a way to get a 32bit stdc++ |
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| 01:10.51 | Chris___ | every time I restart my server, it resets my /etc/resolv.conf |
| 01:11.10 | abrotman | is it using dhcp? |
| 01:11.13 | sechrist | Chris___: are you on a vps? |
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| 01:12.18 | raz | humm still troubled by the dns issue |
| 01:12.30 | raz | where do i properly set the domain name in debian? |
| 01:12.48 | raz | my /etc/hostname contains only the hostname and in /etc/hosts i have the fqdn listed |
| 01:13.11 | raz | hostname -f gives a good answer. dnsdomainname gives a good answer. but postfix auto-detection gives me foo.localdomain ("foo" is correct, but wtf is localdomain coming from?) |
| 01:14.22 | Chris___ | abrotman: Yes, I think so. It's a home server, so no, sechrist. |
| 01:14.41 | Pryon | /etc/mailname ? |
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| 01:14.59 | abrotman | Chris___: man dhclient3.conf or something liek that .. tell it not to request dns servers |
| 01:17.08 | Chris___ | abrotman: thanks. I found an alternative solution, though: sudo chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf |
| 01:17.24 | liable | urgh |
| 01:17.48 | abrotman | Chris___: HORRIBLE idea |
| 01:18.16 | Chris___ | abrotman: why? :3 |
| 01:18.37 | abrotman | what if you actually want to alter that file manually and you can't figure out why you cannot ? |
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| 01:18.46 | Arrowmaster | because you are only trying to bandaid the problem in a way that will break things in the future instead of actually fixing the problem |
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| 01:25.50 | Chris___ | found the proper fix, added "dns-nameservers 8.8.8.8 8.8.4.4" to /etc/network/interfaces |
| 01:25.57 | Chris___ | thanks again abrotman |
| 01:26.08 | abrotman | or that way .. |
| 01:26.09 | ranix | woot google dns |
| 01:26.30 | ranix | because when google is down the whole internet might as well be down too |
| 01:26.57 | Chris___ | because their dns servers are good enough for what I need them for :p |
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| 01:27.33 | robblesz | Man, I'm having a hell of a time recompiling mysql on Lenny. I do apt-get source mysql-server-5.0 && cd mysql-dfsg-5.0-5.0.51a && sudo debuild -us -uc but 100% of the tests fail and so it doesn't build. Does anyone have a clue why? |
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| 01:28.52 | nsadmin | robblesz: why recompile? |
| 01:29.29 | robblesz | I need to change a #define in myisam/ftdefs.h |
| 01:30.01 | robblesz | Right now I'm just trying to debuild without any source code changes, to eliminate variables |
| 01:30.21 | merlincorey | robblesz: perhaps there is a relevent readme or some such somewhere |
| 01:30.25 | nsadmin | oh, ok... well I'd say you should pastebin the full build log |
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| 01:30.58 | robblesz | nsadmin: sure, I'll debuild again |
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| 01:31.25 | robblesz | first I'll take merlincorey's advice and look for a readme |
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| 01:35.07 | robblesz | hm, don't see anything |
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| 01:36.19 | merlincorey | robblesz: well, next I would look into the debian/ subdirectory and compare the error with the build commands; likely you're missing some development libraries needed |
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| 01:36.35 | merlincorey | robblesz: libraries are linked in with -llibrary name |
| 01:36.52 | merlincorey | so for example -lzlib will be for zlib and you will want the -dev package for zlib |
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| 01:39.00 | robblesz | dependencies might be problem actually. I tried sudo aptitude build-dep mysql-server-5.0 but it returns: Unable to find the source package for "mysql-server-5.0". |
| 01:39.19 | robblesz | how is that possible, if "apt-get source mysql-server-5.0" works? |
| 01:41.55 | robblesz | oh well, "apt-get build-dep mysql-server-5.0" doesn't error out and returns 0 upgraded/installed |
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| 01:45.32 | robblesz | I get fatal permission errors very early on when I try "debuild -us -uc" without sudo. Which is odd because I didn't apt-get source as root. http://pastebin.com/uRYDztTg |
| 01:46.52 | robblesz | now building with sudo... |
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| 01:48.31 | tlhiv_laptop | hi folks ... i have debian 4.0 on a system (i'm not very familiar with debian but am fluent in gentoo) and i want to install texlive 2009 in this version of debian with apt-get, but i'm not sure how to install this latest version of texlive |
| 01:48.38 | tlhiv_laptop | any help would be greatly appreciated |
| 01:48.42 | abrotman | judd: versions texlive |
| 01:48.45 | judd | texlive -- etch: 2005.dfsg.3-1; lenny: 2007.dfsg.2-1~lenny2; squeeze: 2009-9; sid: 2009-10 |
| 01:49.06 | abrotman | tlhiv_laptop: you'd first have to upgrade to lenny, and then to squeeze .. and squeeze is still in developement |
| 01:49.38 | abrotman | tlhiv_laptop: does it have to be on etch ? |
| 01:49.42 | tlhiv_laptop | abrotman: that's not an option for me since the machine does not belong to me ... is there no way to update TeX without updating the entire ditro? |
| 01:50.05 | abrotman | tlhiv_laptop: it probably has a lot of dependencies .. that's a huge difference in time |
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| 01:51.06 | tlhiv_laptop | abrotman: i understand that, but how can i at least (say with apt-get) determine what dependencies it requires |
| 01:51.55 | abrotman | tlhiv_laptop: the 2009 version or the one you have now ? |
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| 01:52.16 | tlhiv_laptop | the 2009 version |
| 01:52.18 | abrotman | judd: dependencies texlive --release squeeze |
| 01:52.28 | abrotman | broked it ... |
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| 01:52.42 | abrotman | tlhiv_laptop: mixing versions of debian is a pretty bad idea |
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| 01:53.03 | tlhiv_laptop | but i really need this new version of TeXLive :-/ |
| 01:53.05 | abrotman | http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/texlive .. start there and keep going .. |
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| 01:53.51 | abrotman | tlhiv_laptop: you can try to build it the debian way .. but it likely won't work too well |
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| 01:53.57 | tlhiv_laptop | is there a apt repository that i can add to /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 01:54.16 | abrotman | mixing versions of debian is very bad |
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| 01:54.26 | abrotman | especially ones as different as etch and squeeze |
| 01:54.33 | tlhiv_laptop | so i have etch? |
| 01:54.34 | abrotman | you can try to build it yourself |
| 01:54.37 | abrotman | yes, you have etch |
| 01:54.40 | abrotman | !tell tlhiv_laptop about ssb |
| 01:54.44 | abrotman | good luck! :) |
| 01:55.11 | CaT[t2] | backporting from squeeze to etch will mostlikely involve the sacraficing of goats. |
| 01:55.22 | abrotman | i said that? |
| 01:55.26 | lord_koala | Can anyone please tell me how I can locate a webapps log file in Debian 5.0.4. I am very new to Lnux concept and I need to do some debugging, but I don't know where to look for errors. Any help is appreciated. Thanks. |
| 01:55.32 | CaT[t2] | abrot: nah. just adding :) |
| 01:55.42 | abrotman | lord_koala: which webapp ? |
| 01:56.06 | lord_koala | abortman sermyadmin |
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| 01:56.25 | CaT[t2] | does freeradius do the password checking internally? (ie it does not explicitly, say, send a SELECT request to the db to see if passwords match) |
| 01:56.47 | abrotman | wtf is sermyadmin ? |
| 01:56.55 | lord_koala | abortman I am trying to start it under Tomcat, but Tomcat log files are a dead end right now. I just need to find the log files for sermyadmin. What should I do? |
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| 01:57.15 | lord_koala | abortman SerMyAdmin is a GUI for Opensips SIP Server. |
| 01:57.19 | abrotman | lord_koala: it shuld still log into the tomcat/catalina stuff |
| 01:58.19 | lord_koala | abortman I asked in #tomcat and I am told that I should look for my webapps log file for further investigation. I thought there are some general logging going on in Debian. |
| 02:00.21 | abrotman | lord_koala: did you ask them if each app has its own logging file ? and how to set it ? |
| 02:01.26 | lord_koala | abortman No.. I will do that. |
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| 02:03.03 | xy | anyone has used habak ? i'm trying to get "multi-layered backgrounds" to work, i.e. a collation of 3 images, but looks like, it only draws 1 layer. :\ also i can't get -mc to work... |
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| 02:05.58 | Tametomo | Just thought that I'd let people know (for those who remember) that my grub2 problem earlier was caused by this line: "insmod msdos". I'll look in a second as to why that was such a problem. It's a fairly common module, so I dunno why it'd cause a problem. |
| 02:07.49 | Tametomo | As this is likely not grub2's fault, I'm going to see what package I should put the blame on for this, then see if it's already been reported by now. |
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| 02:10.18 | deeb | hi |
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| 02:10.52 | robblesz | nsadmin: it turns out that 100% of the tests are failing becuase I'm running debuild as root. mysql-test/var/log/master.err says "Fatal error: Please read "Security" section of the manual to find out how to run mysqld as root!" |
| 02:11.25 | robblesz | but if I try to debuild as a normal user it fails: http://pastebin.com/uRYDztTg |
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| 02:12.09 | deco | does the debian lenny dvd include gnome and kde ? |
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| 02:13.30 | abrotman | deco: the? there are five IIRC |
| 02:13.41 | deco | abrotman: i mean the first dvd |
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| 02:14.34 | deeb | anyone? when i do:ls -la /usr/local/xuggler/bin/ffmpeg i get: -rwxr-xr-x 1 root 1000 85936 2010-01-31 14:03 /usr/local/xuggler/bin/ffmpeg. but i try to run that file it tells: if i do cd /usr/local/xuggler/bin and run: ffmpeg it tells me: -bash: /usr/local/xuggler/bin/ffmpeg: No such file or directory. Any idea why this happens? |
| 02:14.42 | abrotman | !tell deco about cd contents |
| 02:14.53 | deco | thanks abrotman ^_^ |
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| 02:20.25 | abrotman | deeb: ./ffmpeg ? |
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| 02:20.45 | deeb | -bash: ./ffmpeg: No such file or directory |
| 02:21.00 | ebanders | I wonder if someone can push me in the right direction. I have an Logitech MX5500 mouse / keyboard pair (bluetooth) that I was using in a multi-legged X configuration. |
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| 02:21.51 | deeb | i gota go! i will try to be right back thank you anyway |
| 02:21.53 | chops1 | So the third-party IT consulting firm that handles our Windows-side IT has recommended that we use Likewise (http://www.likewise.com/) to handle ssh/ftp/etc. logins to our Debian machines with authentication against an Active Directory server. However, they have not displayed an abundant track record of knowing their ass from a hole in the ground. Does anyone have experience with Likewise? |
| 02:23.45 | ebanders | I upgraded the system from lenny to squeeze and broke my input configuration (I believe because the usb dongle is used in HCI mode as of squeeze). |
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| 02:25.24 | Yionel | Hi everybody |
| 02:25.31 | Yionel | there is someone ? |
| 02:25.45 | abrotman | lots of people |
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| 02:25.50 | Yionel | ok cool :) |
| 02:26.07 | deco | lol |
| 02:26.07 | CrypticS_ | 937 to be precise |
| 02:26.07 | abrotman | now not so many people |
| 02:26.15 | CrypticS_ | oh spoke to soon |
| 02:26.15 | Yionel | :) |
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| 02:26.15 | Yionel | I have a problem |
| 02:26.20 | Yionel | I compiled rtorrent on my Lenny |
| 02:26.24 | ebanders | I've read that it is possible to force the dongle back into HID mode (for some dongles). I would like to go through the exercise of configuring the input devices as bluetooth devices and using them in a multi-legged configuration. |
| 02:26.33 | Yionel | but I can't start it with rtorrent |
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| 02:26.57 | Yionel | rtorrent: error while loading shared libraries: libtorrent.so.11: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 02:27.50 | ebanders | (so I'd like to just deal with bluez) |
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| 02:28.29 | Yionel | ok thanks with ldconfig just |
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| 02:29.44 | ebanders | I believe that I have paired things correctly, because after restarting bluetooth services I have /dev/rfcomm{0,1} and bluetooth-agent shows authorizing actions when the mouse/keyboard are used. |
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| 02:30.05 | ebanders | hcitool con also reports connections for a short span after using the mouse/keyboard. |
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| 02:32.03 | deco | will debian squeeze be released this year ? i don't wanna install debian lenny and have upgrade so soon :S |
| 02:32.12 | deco | have to * |
| 02:32.27 | abrotman | deco: no one knows for sure, but that is hte plan |
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| 02:32.46 | deco | abrotman: okau thanks |
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| 02:32.56 | abrotman | !wwsr |
| 02:32.57 | dpkg | Squeeze will release <WIR>, <SIYH>. No release schedule is done yet. Ask me about <squeeze bet>. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2010/05/msg00000.html |
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| 02:34.26 | robblesz | nsadmin: disregard, problem fixed. All I needed to do was apt-get source as a normal user (not root) |
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| 02:36.59 | raz | grrr http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=214741 |
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| 02:37.55 | ebanders | I am quite ignorant of the nature of most devices at this point. I know that it is possible to catenate /dev/event and /dev/mouse and get output from keyboard/mouse activity, but not much more than that. |
| 02:38.27 | fruitwerks | whwere should I go to ask about twitter? |
| 02:38.45 | prince_jammys | facebook |
| 02:39.24 | fruitwerks | uhh yeah.. seriously I don't know how this works lol |
| 02:40.13 | abrotman | fruitwerks: #twitter ? |
| 02:41.27 | fruitwerks | yeah - already there! didn't expect it to be active lol |
| 02:41.57 | ebanders | is there a way to observe /dev/rfcomm? input? |
| 02:42.50 | karsten | What's in /dev prior to udev mounting, and how's it created? |
| 02:43.06 | karsten | suspects tty, null, and similar basic devices. |
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| 02:44.00 | karsten | I'm repartitioning on a live system and don't want to end up unbootable. |
| 02:45.53 | karsten | fruitwerks: 795 Folsom St., 6th floor. |
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| 02:46.11 | simonrvn | sometimes nothing if it's a newer installation |
| 02:46.32 | karsten | simonrvn: Don't you *need* tty and null to boot? |
| 02:47.17 | karsten | simonrvn: hrm. udev starts as #3 in /etc/rcS.d |
| 02:47.29 | karsten | After glibc, hostname, and mountkernfs |
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| 02:49.57 | karsten | I've got a lot of rsync to run first. |
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| 02:50.32 | ircleuser | how do i access a public database? like as a website that does background checks would... |
| 02:51.33 | karsten | ircleuser: http://<web address> |
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| 02:51.45 | karsten | ircleuser: Define "access". |
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| 02:52.30 | megatog615 | hello |
| 02:52.35 | megatog615 | is anyone else running debian unstable or testing? |
| 02:52.43 | karsten | megatog615: No. |
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| 02:52.48 | simonrvn | karsten: y again |
| 02:52.51 | karsten | !tell megatog615 about surveys |
| 02:53.30 | megatog615 | just wondering if anyone else is having a problem with console login |
| 02:53.39 | karsten | !tell megatog615 about ask |
| 02:53.43 | karsten | megatog615: What sort of problem? |
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| 02:54.09 | megatog615 | well for one it's showing my password when i type it |
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| 02:54.25 | megatog615 | ls doesn't work, etc |
| 02:54.29 | karsten | megatog615: Um. are you typing your password in the user field? What's your console device? |
| 02:54.35 | megatog615 | ... |
| 02:54.44 | megatog615 | tty1? |
| 02:55.04 | karsten | megatog615: Local console, not some serial device with echo wierdness? |
| 02:55.10 | megatog615 | local |
| 02:55.14 | megatog615 | ctrl-alt-f1 |
| 02:56.06 | karsten | megatog615: OK. That sounds strange. Make sure it's getty that's running there. Are you running multiuser or single-user (multi is default unless you've changed GRUB or booted to single-user). |
| 02:56.19 | megatog615 | multi |
| 02:56.32 | megatog615 | i really havent changed any of the settings in /etc for this |
| 02:56.46 | megatog615 | just been following the latest updates for testing/unstable |
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| 02:57.20 | karsten | megatog615: Did anything happen to fry your console (eg: console settings got reset? Does this happen at every boot or just right now after you've been up for a while? Can you log in? Does the system otherwiwse work properly? |
| 02:57.29 | megatog615 | every boot |
| 02:57.32 | megatog615 | i can log in |
| 02:57.37 | megatog615 | commands hardly work |
| 02:57.40 | megatog615 | for example: |
| 02:57.40 | karsten | You can log in how? |
| 02:57.54 | megatog615 | typing username -> enter -> password -> enter |
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| 02:58.20 | mns | In debian/squeeze where do I find the battery status ? It used to be that I could look in /proc/acpi/battery/BAT0 but that doesn't seem to exist ? |
| 02:58.26 | megatog615 | well actually commands work now for some reason |
| 02:58.33 | megatog615 | but everything is being echoed |
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| 02:58.37 | karsten | smells general system friedness, a messed up termcap, or something. |
| 02:58.46 | karsten | megatog615: Type "reset <enter>" |
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| 02:58.50 | megatog615 | i type a command, hit enter, and the command appears below |
| 02:58.54 | karsten | megatog615: Might just be a fouled up console. |
| 02:59.11 | karsten | megatog615: 'could be that your shell echo is enabled: 'set +x" |
| 02:59.53 | JairunCaloth | shouldn't show his password though, no shell at that point right? |
| 03:00.27 | karsten | JairunCaloth: That's why I think termcaps' fried. |
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| 03:00.33 | megatog615 | if i hit the up key, it puts ^[[A in the line |
| 03:00.37 | JairunCaloth | check /etc/inittab for wierdness? |
| 03:00.39 | karsten | JairunCaloth: getty would get console capabilities from termcap. |
| 03:00.46 | JairunCaloth | ah ok |
| 03:00.56 | karsten | megatog615: also sounds like your locale isn't right. 'locale' says what? |
| 03:01.16 | megatog615 | en_US.UTF-8 |
| 03:01.21 | megatog615 | sounds correct to me |
| 03:01.27 | karsten | megatog615: Try "export LOCALE=C" |
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| 03:01.39 | JairunCaloth | if commands arn't working, it's possible he's not getting a login shell |
| 03:01.43 | karsten | megatog615: Not if you don't have proper fonts for it. consolefonts is another possible culprit. |
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| 03:02.02 | karsten | JairunCaloth: I think commands are working but not echoing right, though corrupted commands could point to disk errors. |
| 03:02.09 | JairunCaloth | true |
| 03:02.12 | megatog615 | the up key should fetch the last command i typed |
| 03:02.16 | karsten | megatog615: I'm trying to make your system as simple as possible. |
| 03:02.43 | karsten | megatog615: ... assuming that your termcap is right, the keysyms (or console equivalent) are right, and that shell readline is right. |
| 03:02.51 | megatog615 | the commands work fine afaik |
| 03:02.56 | megatog615 | they didnt yesterday :D |
| 03:02.57 | karsten | megatog615: Not necessarily valid assumptions. |
| 03:03.24 | megatog615 | why dont i just re-install the affected packages |
| 03:03.29 | karsten | megatog615: If you can: 'dmesg | less' and see if you spot anything that looks weird, disk errors, segfaults, especially. |
| 03:03.40 | karsten | megatog615: Well, we want to sort out what those are first. |
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| 03:04.38 | karsten | megatog615: Could be: corrupted packages, bad disk, bad memory. I'm leaning toward disk and/or packages (memory would tend to just fry the system). Packages don't tend to eff themselves up without help (yourself, someone else, hacker). |
| 03:04.39 | JairunCaloth | yeah, if you're having FS corruption or disk errors reinstalling packages might not be more then a temporary fix if anything. |
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| 03:05.15 | megatog615 | dmesg doesnt report anything out of the ordinary |
| 03:05.33 | karsten | mns: I thought there were some ACPI packages, not sure of them off the top of my head. as root, find /proc -name BAT\* should turn up something. |
| 03:05.57 | karsten | megatog615: check your logs as well. messages and kern particularly. |
| 03:06.54 | sshc | I'm trying to get hardware acceleration working. Pastebin of /var/log/Xorg.0.log: http://pastebin.com/889cezUU |
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| 03:07.12 | tharkun | Is there a possibility to download music into an iphone using debian? |
| 03:07.13 | tlhiv_laptop | i need to install dpkg-1.14 or greater on etch ... how can i do this? |
| 03:07.16 | karsten | megatog615: console-common, console-data, console-tools, and libconsole, might be implemented. |
| 03:07.25 | megatog615 | kernel: [ 26.845523] audit: name_count maxed, losing inode data: |
| 03:07.27 | megatog615 | dev=00:05, inode=4190 |
| 03:07.30 | megatog615 | ??? |
| 03:07.41 | megatog615 | from kern.log |
| 03:07.43 | karsten | tharkun: I think you can mount the device as USB storage. Not sure if iTunes will pick up the music though. |
| 03:07.47 | mns | karsten: nothing shows up with the find command. I think it changed from /proc to sysfs or something like that. |
| 03:07.48 | Yionel | Hi I would synchronyse my client pc on my server. How I do that please ? |
| 03:08.03 | karsten | mns: What kernel? |
| 03:08.18 | karsten | Yionel: What OS on client PC? |
| 03:08.29 | karsten | Yionel: Generally: rsync. |
| 03:08.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | synchronize what |
| 03:08.42 | Yionel | Ubuntu Lucid Lynx, and serveur is Lenny |
| 03:08.50 | karsten | CutMeOwnThroat: synchronize everything |
| 03:08.54 | karsten | Yionel: rsync |
| 03:09.00 | Yionel | I would synchronyse the time |
| 03:09.10 | jnewt01 | what's the deal with diff, trying to recursively compare directories, and every subdirectory / file, but diff -r dir1 dir2 doesn't even run. |
| 03:09.12 | Yionel | rsync is for copy files no ? |
| 03:09.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | karsten, the time? :) |
| 03:09.25 | karsten | Yionel: What's your native language? And what are you trying to syncronize. |
| 03:09.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | heh |
| 03:09.28 | jnewt01 | diff dir1 dir2 works, but not recursively |
| 03:09.38 | tharkun | karsten: thx i'll poke with debian a little lets see what i can get |
| 03:09.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | karsten, see... even when I'm only joking I'm right |
| 03:09.50 | karsten | CutMeOwnThroat: damn you, man. |
| 03:09.53 | Yionel | I want my Ubuntu is the same time that my server ::) |
| 03:09.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | I just can't help it! |
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| 03:09.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | I try! |
| 03:09.59 | mns | karsten: 2.6.32 |
| 03:10.01 | jnewt01 | Yionel: rsync is for syncing two directories, archiving, transferring, much better than cp |
| 03:10.03 | karsten | Yionel: chrony or ntpd. |
| 03:10.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | Yionel, run ntpd on both of them and the'll both sync to the correct time |
| 03:10.21 | Yionel | karsten, ntpd ? ok ! |
| 03:10.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | karsten, it's uncanny... I begin to be scared of myself |
| 03:10.35 | karsten | Yionel: ... are network time sync protocols. For intermittantly operated PC, I'd use chrony on the desktop, ntpd on the server. |
| 03:11.07 | karsten | CutMeOwnThroat: Here's the scarier thought: you're completely in tune with the crazies and newbies. |
| 03:11.14 | megatog615 | i still appear to have kbd installed |
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| 03:11.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | karsten, well... not much - what if I predicted the end of the world? |
| 03:11.51 | Yionel | oki, I used ntpd for my server, I will see chrony |
| 03:12.00 | Yionel | thank you guy |
| 03:12.05 | Yionel | guys |
| 03:12.06 | Yionel | :) |
| 03:12.12 | karsten | CutMeOwnThroat: I'd prefer you predicted me a hot date. |
| 03:12.18 | karsten | Yionel: YW. |
| 03:12.40 | Yionel | karsten, what is "YW" ? |
| 03:12.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | your womb |
| 03:12.51 | karsten | Yionel: You're welcome |
| 03:12.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | or that |
| 03:12.56 | mns | Yionel: you're welcome |
| 03:12.56 | Yionel | okiii lol |
| 03:13.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | yonder weirdness |
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| 03:14.23 | karsten | CutMeOwnThroat: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8339647.stm Rejoice! |
| 03:14.31 | manchot | why don't use ftp unless I have to? it is such a common protocol. |
| 03:14.51 | karsten | manchot: This little thing called "security" |
| 03:14.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | because of |
| 03:15.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | !ftp must die |
| 03:15.00 | dpkg | FTP MUST DIE! http://mywiki.wooledge.org/FtpMustDie |
| 03:15.04 | karsten | manchot: Try fish instead. |
| 03:15.07 | megatog615 | karsten: still does it |
| 03:15.20 | manchot | karsten, what's fish? |
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| 03:15.48 | karsten | manchot: filetransfer over ssh |
| 03:16.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | karsten, so raging depression is a good thing? |
| 03:16.14 | megatog615 | karsten: getty is running on all 6 ttys |
| 03:16.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think someone with clouded judgment made that one up :) |
| 03:16.38 | manchot | I opt for 'fish', but my concern is download speed and performance |
| 03:16.46 | manchot | it seems sftp is slower than ftp. |
| 03:17.00 | manchot | is it true? |
| 03:17.05 | karsten | megatog615: OK. Try reinstalling the console packages I mentioned earlier. See if the problem occurs with your locale set to C ("default") vs. foo.utf8. |
| 03:17.16 | megatog615 | karsten: i already re-installed them |
| 03:17.25 | karsten | manchot: ftp puts your password in the clear. Not a good thing. |
| 03:17.27 | karsten | manchot: OK. |
| 03:17.28 | megatog615 | and it still occurs with C locale |
| 03:17.32 | karsten | megatog615: OK. |
| 03:17.36 | karsten | megatog615: OK. |
| 03:17.46 | karlpinc | manchot: Only if you're cpu bound. |
| 03:17.48 | Vmanz | u can make FTP secure... |
| 03:18.04 | karsten | megatog615: 'locales' is another suspect. |
| 03:18.13 | karlpinc | Vmanz: Sure, if you tunnel it through a vpn. But what's the point? |
| 03:18.20 | manchot | if it is only CPU bound, then I will use sftp. But waht about the speed? |
| 03:18.23 | karsten | Vmanz: what do you propose? |
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| 03:18.36 | karsten | manchot: If you want raw speed, use netcat sockets. |
| 03:18.45 | megatog615 | karsten: fwiw it doesn't occur in X terminal emulators |
| 03:19.12 | simonrvn | ok back |
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| 03:20.44 | karsten | megatog615: Which suggests console device config and/or termcap. What's '$TERM'? |
| 03:20.52 | simonrvn | karsten: oh poop, sorry, my msg didn't come out... load avg was high so most of it got clipped... |
| 03:21.28 | megatog615 | karsten: for terminal emulator, xterm |
| 03:21.48 | megatog615 | for console, linux |
| 03:22.03 | megatog615 | what does it need to be? |
| 03:22.03 | karsten | megatog615: Try setting that to 'vt100'. |
| 03:22.12 | karsten | megatog615: But 'linux' should be fine. |
| 03:22.29 | megatog615 | it still echoes commands |
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| 03:24.21 | karsten | megatog615: stracing a getty might be useful. I don't have time to hang around though. |
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| 03:28.50 | megatog615 | karsten: surprise, it was my bluetooth adaptor |
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| 03:29.04 | karsten | megatog615: ??? |
| 03:29.06 | megatog615 | karsten: i rebooted with it disconnected from the usb port and it works |
| 03:29.09 | karsten | megatog615: bluetooth keyboard? |
| 03:29.12 | megatog615 | nope |
| 03:29.15 | karsten | megatog615: ... or just bluetooth. |
| 03:29.16 | megatog615 | just the dongle |
| 03:29.22 | megatog615 | it was throwing usb errors |
| 03:29.26 | karsten | megatog615: Interesting. I'll have to file that away. |
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| 03:30.14 | megatog615 | well i can get the make and model if you know who to tell the problem to |
| 03:30.56 | megatog615 | it's a Cirago BTA-3210 |
| 03:31.34 | megatog615 | but i think there's a problem with the entire bluetooth stack, since it does the same thing on my desktop with a different dongle |
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| 03:33.28 | megatog615 | or, it's CONFIG_USB_SUSPEND |
| 03:34.03 | koalaknife | How challenging would it be to switch from arch to debian? If I wanted to install the xorg server, xmonad, etc. from the command line, would it be very hard to figure out (I've got it down on arch, but that was because their is so many newbie friendly guides avaliable.) |
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| 03:35.59 | robblesz | Does anyone understand debian/rules syntax? I'd like to disable this package from running through the testsuite, but I'm unsure how: http://pastebin.com/tyTJbJXL |
| 03:36.11 | Squarism | is it only me or does learning linux feel like reading up on a century of the national archives? |
| 03:37.05 | megatog615 | Squarism: fun isn't it? |
| 03:37.11 | Squarism | "To really understand linux yo're required to live 5 lifetimes" |
| 03:37.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | last time I played with bluetooth, it was a piece of crap under linux |
| 03:37.39 | Squarism | megatog615: Hmm.. no.. =/ |
| 03:37.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | I got the headset to work using the already-obsolete bluez module, but I think not with the newer ones |
| 03:38.05 | megatog615 | karsten: i solved it by adding /etc/modprobe.d/usbcore.conf |
| 03:38.23 | megatog615 | karsten: inside it, i put options usbcore autosuspend=-1 |
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| 03:38.59 | megatog615 | for some reason the autosuspend was interfering with the bluetooth adaptor which caused the console malfunction for some reason |
| 03:39.12 | megatog615 | CutMeOwnThroat: bluetooth itself works great in linux |
| 03:39.30 | Squarism | regarding linux "usability" and consistency its a big mystery it has become as popular as it has |
| 03:39.47 | megatog615 | bluetooth being the open standard made it great |
| 03:39.59 | megatog615 | Squarism: people love a challenge |
| 03:40.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | megatog615, I believe it when I see it :) |
| 03:40.14 | megatog615 | CutMeOwnThroat: you should try it nowadays |
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| 03:40.26 | megatog615 | CutMeOwnThroat: i had an adaptor that didnt work a few months ago but works now |
| 03:40.39 | megatog615 | i have a bunch of adaptors |
| 03:40.43 | megatog615 | all different |
| 03:40.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, that was 2 years ago... a LOT of time for software |
| 03:40.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | or perhaps even three |
| 03:40.58 | megatog615 | blueman is awesome |
| 03:41.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, perhaps not a lot of time for debian :-P |
| 03:41.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's how long a freeze roughly takes, isn't it? ;) |
| 03:41.29 | megatog615 | hehe |
| 03:41.45 | jnewt01 | ok, i don't know how to figure out what i did. i had a hard drive go bad, so i replaced it, formatted, mkfs, mounted to the previous location, restarted samba. now all the shared files show access denied. what could have caused this. |
| 03:42.09 | jnewt01 | the only difference is that i went from a 250gb ide to a 320gb sata |
| 03:42.15 | jnewt01 | that i can think of. |
| 03:42.27 | karlpinc | jnewt01: How did you restore? Sounds like you didn't restore filesystem permissions. |
| 03:42.33 | jnewt01 | i used the archive option with rsync to preserve permission. |
| 03:42.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | as root? |
| 03:42.51 | jnewt01 | yes. |
| 03:43.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | did you look if the permissions are still good? |
| 03:43.07 | karlpinc | jnewt01: And the permission of the mountpoint is ok too? |
| 03:43.40 | jnewt01 | the permissions seem to be the same, the mountpoint should be the same, i didn't remove / remake the folder (/media/data1) |
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| 03:44.12 | jnewt01 | permissions would have probably been all root, or all something if i had done it wrong, they are all root / staff / specific users, etc. |
| 03:45.45 | jnewt01 | could there have been some group permission changed during the restor, like who is in what group? or what about the permission of the newly created /dev/sdd and /dev/sdd1 |
| 03:47.02 | karlpinc | jnewt01: Samba has been restarted since you mounted the partition? |
| 03:47.08 | jnewt01 | yes |
| 03:47.17 | jnewt01 | restarts again |
| 03:47.41 | Rusty1 | diff'ed the old fstab and samba conf? |
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| 03:48.35 | jnewt01 | the samba config is identical. fstab is changed to the new drive. |
| 03:48.48 | jnewt01 | which mounts properly on boot |
| 03:48.53 | jnewt01 | and with mount -a |
| 03:49.09 | jnewt01 | i wouldn't need to restart clients would i? |
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| 03:50.25 | jnewt01 | the newly mounted drive / directory does have a new folder (lost+found), but that is from rsync. |
| 03:50.28 | jnewt01 | i think |
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| 03:51.28 | Rusty1 | it shows up on mount as before? |
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| 03:52.05 | jnewt01 | Rusty1, can you rephrase the question? |
| 03:52.21 | kevix | I have a toshiba laptop with a multi-card reader that according to kmuto db says my kernel should support it with the sdhci-pci modules except it doesnt work |
| 03:52.53 | Rusty1 | mount , sans arguments looks the same jnewt01 |
| 03:53.02 | jnewt01 | yea |
| 03:53.19 | jnewt01 | just changed /hda1 to sdd1 |
| 03:53.35 | jnewt01 | yanked a pasted a line in vi, just changed that one part. |
| 03:53.44 | jnewt01 | and commented the old line. |
| 03:54.22 | jnewt01 | maybe samba is just having a bad day? |
| 03:54.23 | kevix | does anyone have any clues to how to mount an sdhc card? should the card just show up as /dev/sd*1? |
| 03:54.29 | Rusty1 | jnewt01: tried restarting or adding a new client? |
| 03:54.52 | jnewt01 | no, have not tried anything on the clients to fix the issue yet. |
| 03:55.37 | jnewt01 | it's strange that one folder works, and the other 10-15 don't |
| 03:55.48 | jnewt01 | all in that one directory, on the new drive. |
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| 03:59.27 | jnewt01 | i bet i know what it is. the client hasn't been restarted since the pdc went down. be back in a few..... |
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| 04:00.32 | Andorin | Is there any sort of ETA on squeeze? |
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| 04:00.41 | Andorin | Or expected date of release? |
| 04:03.26 | fruitwerks | I am having trouble installing php5-json, when I seach for it, it shows a v next to it, but when I try to install, it doesn't do anything |
| 04:03.30 | kevix | Andorin: when its ready? |
| 04:03.58 | kevix | v = virtaul package |
| 04:07.05 | Bop | im trying seamless mode , but it does not work like help contects say so |
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| 04:09.05 | Bop | sorry |
| 04:09.05 | Bop | wrong window |
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| 04:14.19 | gang | hi, i'd like to ask a question RE ath5k driver. |
| 04:14.38 | gang | my wireless stops working yesterday. |
| 04:14.50 | gang | it connects to my router though. |
| 04:15.02 | gang | here is the ifconfig output: |
| 04:15.29 | gang | ath0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:1f:e1:1d:2c:bb |
| 04:15.29 | gang | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:15.30 | gang | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:15.30 | gang | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:19.11 | jnewt | ok, that didn't fix it. for my test user, i am in group staff, the folder in question is group staff owner root, perms 770, and the one that works is perms 700 with the user being the owner and groupl |
| 04:19.35 | jnewt | *owner and the owner for the group too... |
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| 04:21.07 | jnewt | yeah, ok, it's a permission thing (nix level)...changing the folder permissions to 777 fixed the problem, but i don't want to leave it there.. |
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| 04:21.15 | gang | i got a question re ath5k. |
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| 04:21.25 | gang | here is the output of the ifconfig... |
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| 04:22.05 | gang | ath0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:1f:e1:1d:2c:bb |
| 04:22.15 | gang | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:22.20 | gang | and blah blah |
| 04:22.23 | civillian | gang, use pastebin mate or you'll get booted again |
| 04:22.40 | gang | my question is why there is no "inet addr" line? |
| 04:23.03 | gang | thanx, civillian... |
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| 04:23.41 | gang | the ath0 is associated with the router, but the wireless network is not connected. |
| 04:23.43 | gang | so strange. |
| 04:24.01 | jnewt | yeah, ok, it's a permission thing (nix level)...changing the folder permissions to 777 fixed the problem, but i don't want to leave it there..so i changed to 776, 771, 772 failed. |
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| 04:25.10 | jnewt | somehow my user is not being associated with the group staff. but i type username groups, and staff is included, so maybe a samba thing? |
| 04:25.22 | jnewt | ^theory |
| 04:26.35 | topangea | so what's the best way to address mismatching uid/gid between linux systems when doing a samba share from one to the other? |
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| 04:29.49 | jnewt | topangea: ldap? |
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| 04:30.06 | Gryllida | hello. I am in Debian bash. I try 'help', it lists the stuff. How do I get help for just 1 command? ("X Terminal) |
| 04:30.20 | megatog615 | man |
| 04:30.21 | jnewt | command --help |
| 04:30.21 | topangea | never used ldap before |
| 04:30.25 | jnewt | man |
| 04:30.31 | jnewt | google command |
| 04:30.33 | megatog615 | well |
| 04:30.34 | Gryllida | with "--"? |
| 04:30.39 | megatog615 | i usually do --help first |
| 04:30.47 | topangea | I'm having write permissions problems on a samba share |
| 04:30.48 | megatog615 | i use either man or --help off and on |
| 04:30.51 | Gryllida | I did just "help", it listed the commands |
| 04:30.55 | megatog615 | depends on how much help i need |
| 04:31.10 | jnewt | topangea: that makes two of us. but mine worked at one point, did yours? |
| 04:31.18 | topangea | on a different system |
| 04:31.27 | jnewt | same smb.cnf |
| 04:31.29 | topangea | not sure why this one is not working |
| 04:31.32 | topangea | no, a different one |
| 04:31.37 | topangea | well |
| 04:31.38 | topangea | yes |
| 04:31.44 | topangea | smb.cnf on the file server system is the same |
| 04:31.52 | jnewt | you have a pdc? |
| 04:31.54 | topangea | so mounting the file server system from two different linux machines |
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| 04:31.59 | Gryllida | hello, I don't see which of what you say are directed to me. how do I get help for just 1 command? |
| 04:32.00 | topangea | using the same credentials |
| 04:32.02 | topangea | pdc? what's that? |
| 04:32.09 | jnewt | man command |
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| 04:32.28 | topangea | no manual entry :/ |
| 04:32.30 | jnewt | topangea, if you don't know, you don't have it, or ldap for that matter |
| 04:32.36 | megatog615 | topangea: what command? |
| 04:32.47 | topangea | megatog615: what do you mean? |
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| 04:32.51 | jnewt | topangea, what's your backend? |
| 04:32.55 | megatog615 | topangea: you could be doing this |
| 04:32.58 | megatog615 | man woman |
| 04:33.04 | megatog615 | there is no manual for that |
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| 04:33.28 | topangea | the file server is an ubuntu machine |
| 04:33.44 | topangea | the system I've mounted the fileserver via cifs is a debian machine |
| 04:34.06 | jnewt | that's backward |
| 04:34.17 | topangea | it is what it is :/ |
| 04:34.32 | jnewt | server is ubuntu and client is debian? |
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| 04:34.38 | megatog615 | oh Gryllida had the command problem |
| 04:34.38 | topangea | well |
| 04:34.45 | megatog615 | /fail |
| 04:34.48 | topangea | the debian machine is another server, but yes... for this it is |
| 04:35.08 | jnewt | topangea, it doesn't matter, i'm just making noise |
| 04:35.15 | topangea | :D |
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| 04:35.50 | jnewt | so paste your smb.cnf from ubuntu, and the fstab from debian, i'll take a look. |
| 04:35.54 | topangea | I can create a directory and delete it |
| 04:35.57 | topangea | I can create a file |
| 04:36.00 | topangea | just can't read them! |
| 04:36.06 | jnewt | permissions |
| 04:36.08 | jnewt | ! |
| 04:36.11 | topangea | yes, I know |
| 04:36.16 | topangea | but I'm not sure why |
| 04:36.31 | jnewt | hmmm, can you log into the server, as the same user, and read a file? |
| 04:36.51 | topangea | I can login to the file server as the same user from a windows machine, or another linux machine (opensuse) and read the file |
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| 04:37.09 | topangea | er.. wait |
| 04:37.11 | topangea | I can read the file |
| 04:37.14 | jnewt | topangea: your setup is like baskin robbins |
| 04:37.17 | topangea | I can't cd into the directory I make |
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| 04:37.41 | topangea | or move a file into the directory I make |
| 04:37.44 | jnewt | my problem too topangea, but if you do 777 perms it works right. |
| 04:37.52 | topangea | yeah, I know |
| 04:38.12 | jnewt | but you dont' wan t 777, you want a group, with perms that you belong to. yup, me too |
| 04:38.14 | topangea | however, the default create mask is 754 |
| 04:38.16 | jnewt | fail |
| 04:38.33 | topangea | so |
| 04:38.41 | topangea | why would read/writing the same directory work on another system? |
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| 04:38.52 | topangea | and work on a windows system? |
| 04:38.54 | jnewt | what's yoru log say when trying to read? |
| 04:39.00 | jnewt | your log |
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| 04:41.19 | jnewt | i get NT_STATUS_NOT FOUND, and NT_STATUS_NETWORK_ACCESS_DENIED |
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| 04:42.19 | Gryllida | I tried help commandname but it said command not found or something of that kind |
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| 04:44.07 | jnewt | ok, mine's getting set to 777, i can't figure this one out. |
| 04:44.15 | jnewt | not today |
| 04:44.20 | dirkson | So I go to report a bug, right? And I discover that I need to do this via a package called 'reportbug'. But I quickly find out that this package will take whatever email address I give it and EXPOSE IT DIRECTLY VIA HTML. So now I've got to back out of my current bug report and /file a bug report against the bug reporting protocol/. |
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| 04:45.46 | dirkson | Ugh. It also requires me to have access to a mail server. What is wrong with this package? I can't be using the right thing. |
| 04:46.17 | spersaud | Gryllida: ?? try ./manage.py command_name --help |
| 04:46.32 | Gryllida | spersaud, py? python?? why |
| 04:46.43 | Gryllida | spersaud, that looks like a command itself |
| 04:46.58 | spersaud | Gryllida: what are you trying to do ? |
| 04:47.02 | Gryllida | spersaud, I just want a help for the commands l see in 'help' output in the X Terminal |
| 04:47.17 | Gryllida | spersaud, help for individual commans |
| 04:47.26 | Gryllida | commands* |
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| 04:47.38 | Gryllida | am I in the right place? |
| 04:47.52 | Gryllida | it's a Debian linux here |
| 04:47.56 | spersaud | oops wrong channel |
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| 04:48.04 | Gryllida | ?? |
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| 04:50.58 | Gryllida | Anyone around? |
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| 04:52.00 | jnewt | yes |
| 04:52.26 | jnewt | like what command |
| 04:52.40 | dirkson | My god, the bugtracker is /so/ /broken/. WTF. Why are we allowing this? We need to get this sucker into 2010. Hell, I'd be happy to get it out of the mid 90's! |
| 04:52.56 | Gryllida | jnewt, like I want to get help for 'kill' command |
| 04:53.03 | Gryllida | or for 'alias' |
| 04:53.19 | jnewt | man kill |
| 04:53.26 | dirkson | I mean, my friend Yam, who has argued with me when I make statements like "The sky is blue", just /agreed/ with me that the debian bugtracker is bad. Fuck, it must be worse than I thought |
| 04:53.30 | dirkson | Seriously, how do we fix this? |
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| 04:54.01 | topangea | oh ffs |
| 04:54.19 | topangea | so now I've added the www-data user to the "users" group |
| 04:54.26 | topangea | and I can now cd into the dir |
| 04:54.33 | jnewt | Gyllida: i don't remeber if all man pages are there by default, you might have to update or get via apt |
| 04:54.37 | topangea | however, my php script is still failing with permission denied! argh! |
| 04:55.52 | Gryllida | topangea, ##php ? |
| 04:55.57 | Gryllida | dunno |
| 04:57.01 | topangea | it's a permissions problem Gryllida |
| 04:57.09 | topangea | outside of PHP |
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| 05:01.50 | tlhiv_laptop | how can i remove all packages texlive-* |
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| 05:11.59 | robblesz | Hey guys, if I'm recompiling a debian package and I want to change the version, do I do that in the .dsc, the debian/changelog, or both? |
| 05:13.30 | liable | changelog |
| 05:13.54 | robblesz | Thanks, thats what dpkg bot says but I thought it might be a mistake |
| 05:15.47 | kevix | why would someone program the bot with incorrect info? |
| 05:17.25 | liable | shits and giggles? ;) |
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| 05:20.24 | kevix | dch -i "my changelog comment" |
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| 05:24.31 | robblesz | ah, thanks |
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| 05:26.35 | robblesz | that appends ".1" to the version, is it safe to manually change it to "~robblesz1"? |
| 05:26.51 | liable | read its man page |
| 05:27.00 | simonrvn | the .1 means it's an nmu |
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| 05:27.28 | robblesz | oh, thank you |
| 05:27.43 | simonrvn | !nmu |
| 05:27.43 | dpkg | it has been said that nmu is Non Maintainer Upload, it's when a debian developer who is not the maintainer of a package uploads an update of said package |
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| 05:31.36 | robblesz | I ended up using --newversion instead of -i |
| 05:34.21 | nsadmin | is this to be an upload? |
| 05:34.38 | simonrvn | i doubt it ;) |
| 05:38.25 | robblesz | nope, just a local build |
| 05:38.46 | robblesz | I couldn't figure out how to make mysql do what I wanted without recompiling :| |
| 05:41.14 | nsadmin | which is what? |
| 05:41.41 | robblesz | make it consider '-' a word character |
| 05:43.20 | robblesz | apparently it's possible to do so by modifying the character set .xml, but I don't think that works for complex character sets like utf8, which is what I need |
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| 05:51.00 | simonrvn | test |
| 05:51.47 | liable | gives simonrvn a B- |
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| 06:13.23 | rtronk | Hello, can anyone recommend a good Debian Web Hosting Control Panel? |
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| 06:20.13 | rtronk | Anyone around by chance? |
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| 06:20.46 | wols_ | yes |
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| 06:22.50 | rtronk | what is the best way about controling a Debian VPS web hosting? |
| 06:22.52 | rtronk | (Free) |
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| 06:23.56 | wols_ | ssh+bash+vi |
| 06:24.05 | rtronk | i want a web panel :\ |
| 06:24.30 | wols_ | I want a pony |
| 06:24.37 | eleusis | zomg |
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| 06:25.22 | SPF | I want a beer |
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| 06:31.15 | niklaswe | god morning everyone! |
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| 06:37.26 | jpinx-eeepc | anyone able to tell me how to fix my browser which is showing large parts of the window as transparent_ |
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| 06:40.23 | NotLim | hi there |
| 06:42.47 | NotLim | i'm trying to install xen in debian squeeze |
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| 06:42.53 | NotLim | has anyone tried that? |
| 06:45.42 | tuvyz | how long will bug 583910 remain around? i mean, how soon can it possibly be squished? |
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| 06:48.49 | niklaswe | NotLim: if you will use xen, then you should use lenny |
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| 06:51.04 | rtronk | is debian 5.0 lenny? |
| 06:51.25 | NotLim | niklaswe, okay |
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| 06:51.43 | jpinx-eeepc | what is the text-only browser called? |
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| 06:52.18 | topangea | eek |
| 06:52.23 | topangea | no "visudo" in debian? |
| 06:52.29 | topangea | how do I modify the sudoers file? |
| 06:52.43 | eleusis | uh |
| 06:52.45 | eleusis | there is visudo? |
| 06:52.46 | topangea | doh.. no sudo either :/ |
| 06:52.49 | jpinx-eeepc | topangea: there is - look harder :) |
| 06:52.53 | topangea | missing a package? |
| 06:52.58 | jpinx-eeepc | try installing it |
| 06:53.01 | eleusis | haha |
| 06:53.15 | topangea | :/ |
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| 06:54.01 | eleusis | topangea: do you have the sudo package installed? |
| 06:54.13 | topangea | no.. just checked.. lol |
| 06:54.16 | topangea | expected it to be there :/ |
| 06:54.18 | eleusis | indeed |
| 06:54.18 | topangea | installing now |
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| 06:57.29 | topangea | ahh.. much better |
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| 07:02.47 | niklaswe | jpinx-eeepc: the text-based browser are lynx and links are two of them... |
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| 07:03.31 | jpinx-eeepc | niklaswe: thanks - I have links2 working now, but iceweasel and firefox are both showing transparancy in their windows |
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| 07:08.05 | beardy | jpinx-eeepc: Transparency? Which window manager is this? |
| 07:08.35 | beardy | jpinx-eeepc: It just "suddenly happened"? |
| 07:10.32 | jpinx-eeepc | openbox in lxde desktop |
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| 07:10.59 | jpinx-eeepc | beardy: I got a fsck forced on reboot which had errors |
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| 07:11.08 | jpinx-eeepc | and forced me into a manual fsck |
| 07:11.29 | jpinx-eeepc | I answered yes to all the fix-its |
| 07:11.38 | beardy | jpinx-eeepc: Might you have fiddled with some settings enabling transparency? |
| 07:11.44 | jpinx-eeepc | beardy: that is the only (but large) thing that is diferent |
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| 07:11.55 | jpinx-eeepc | no - I don't mess with X |
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| 07:12.06 | jpinx-eeepc | beardy: links2 seems to work ok |
| 07:12.07 | beardy | jpinx-eeepc: Hmm.. |
| 07:12.32 | jpinx-eeepc | and other gui windows includingg games (frozen bubble) are ok |
| 07:12.33 | beardy | jpinx-eeepc: Yes.. so what do you mean with transparency? |
| 07:13.10 | beardy | jpinx-eeepc: Maybe firefox(insert name) has some such setting of its own? |
| 07:13.15 | jpinx-eeepc | the browser window is transparent and I can see whatever it is overlaying and the browser itself is really badly rendered missing buttones etc |
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| 07:13.49 | jpinx-eeepc | beardy: I have tried swiftfox and iceweasel - same results |
| 07:14.00 | rozie | http://blip.pl/s/88268511 - similar problem, but with opera on openbox |
| 07:14.01 | jpinx-eeepc | purged and reinstalled from scratch |
| 07:14.06 | beardy | jpinx-eeepc: Oh.. |
| 07:14.20 | beardy | jpinx-eeepc: What about your users cache in .mozilla? |
| 07:14.34 | rozie | jpinx-eeepc: what version of openbox do you have? |
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| 07:15.19 | jpinx-eeepc | rozie: 3.4.7.2 |
| 07:15.33 | jpinx-eeepc | beardy: I did not delete that - I can try it |
| 07:16.01 | jpinx-eeepc | beardy: but I'll copy a renamed backup... |
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| 07:16.18 | wols_ | jpinx-eeepc: use a new user instead |
| 07:16.46 | ondrejk | hi, last few day im facing to crashing our web server, load is good but then commited memory goes to 8gigs and then its not possible to ssh it |
| 07:16.59 | beardy | jpinx-eeepc: Since you say it happens after reinstall and in two variants.. sounds like it could be the profile.. yes, backup of course. |
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| 07:17.35 | jpinx-eeepc | beardy: the whole thing is a big pita as my wifi depends on a browser for login to connect..... |
| 07:17.51 | beardy | jpinx-eeepc: Textbrowsers doesn't work? |
| 07:18.19 | valdyn | ondrejk: we cant debug your php |
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| 07:18.37 | jpinx-eeepc | beardy: I now have links2 working |
| 07:18.51 | ondrejk | valdyn: its not running php but mod_perl |
| 07:18.58 | jpinx-eeepc | but the wifi webpage is all scripts and flash :( |
| 07:19.04 | beardy | ondrejk: Like valdyn says, that's the most probable reason. Check your php settings, IIRC you can limit the memory it is allowed to swallow. |
| 07:19.07 | valdyn | ondrejk: same thing |
| 07:19.24 | beardy | ondThat should also have a simillar variable. |
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| 07:20.10 | manchot | is it possible to mirror between mysql servers and update the data to whichever server has the newest? |
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| 07:20.22 | beardy | jpinx-eeepc: Yuck :( |
| 07:20.40 | jpinx-eeepc | beardy: success - it was in the users .mozilla - now renders ok - many thanks and to rozie too |
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| 07:21.10 | jpinx-eeepc | keeps links2 as the backup from now on... |
| 07:21.24 | beardy | jpinx-eeepc: Great. Put back your bookmarks and stuff and go with the new one :) |
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| 07:35.22 | Marupa | Hi there, I'm trying to figure out if there's a way to automatically make my fans spin-up/spin-down on thermal cues. Is there any application that will do this? I can't find any. |
| 07:35.52 | rich0_ | most likely you want the acpi suite |
| 07:36.01 | rich0_ | that's what I used to set up an albatross button on my old lappy |
| 07:36.11 | rich0_ | take a look at what the packages instlal and then modify the shell scripts |
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| 07:40.01 | Arrowmaster | theres a package called fancontrol i think |
| 07:40.19 | stockholm | it controls groupies and hooligans, right? |
| 07:40.33 | simonrvn | and fans of course |
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| 07:42.01 | Marupa | Arrowmaster, seems the fancontrol doesn't want to work. Complains it can't read the config file, and there isn't a base/example one. And which suite, rich0_? |
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| 07:42.51 | simonrvn | not in /usr/share/doc/fancontrol ? |
| 07:43.31 | Marupa | simonrvn, Ah, yep. Figured it'd have one already. |
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| 07:56.31 | NotLim | hi guys |
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| 07:56.41 | NotLim | i've installed debian lenny with xen kernel |
| 07:56.56 | NotLim | now, when the server tries to boot |
| 07:57.03 | NotLim | i'm getting this error: |
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| 07:57.21 | NotLim | "error 13: invalid or unsupported executable format" |
| 07:57.27 | NotLim | someone knows something about this? |
| 07:57.30 | NotLim | thanks :D |
| 07:58.26 | wols_ | NotLim: /msg dpkg enter |
| 07:58.43 | NotLim | what? |
| 07:58.44 | NotLim | :D |
| 07:58.46 | wols_ | as for your grub error: show us the menu.lst |
| 07:58.56 | wols_ | !enter |
| 07:58.56 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
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| 07:59.12 | NotLim | okay, sorry |
| 07:59.13 | NotLim | wait |
| 07:59.25 | wols_ | you do it AGAIN... |
| 07:59.33 | NotLim | sorry, sorry |
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| 08:00.18 | NotLim | well, i think i'll write it XD |
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| 08:00.55 | badcloud_ | best way to merge two '.reminders' files? preferrably inserting the added lines in chronological line placement |
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| 08:02.12 | badcloud_ | man, it's deader than dead here |
| 08:02.20 | NotLim | wols_: http://pastebin.com/h0XRqAKL |
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| 08:03.25 | wols_ | HackeMate: that's not a debian grub config |
| 08:03.47 | simonrvn | ETAB |
| 08:03.48 | NotLim | wols_: debian DOESN'T boot |
| 08:04.16 | wols_ | neither does this menu.lst entry. not on debian |
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| 08:05.08 | NotLim | well |
| 08:05.12 | NotLim | i think i'll reinstall |
| 08:05.22 | wols_ | NotLim: troubleshooting bullshit you made up can't be done |
| 08:05.41 | wols_ | either give us real error messages and stuff we ask for or don't bother |
| 08:05.53 | NotLim | relax |
| 08:05.57 | wols_ | !reinstall |
| 08:05.57 | dpkg | well, reinstall is aptitude reinstall '~i' ; or COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.txt , then later, dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt && apt-get install . See also <aptitude clone> <debian clone> |
| 08:06.03 | NotLim | i'll reinstall :D |
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| 08:06.05 | wols_ | doh :( wrong one |
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| 08:06.16 | NotLim | using the lenny netinst |
| 08:06.32 | NotLim | instead testing |
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| 08:06.50 | minana | hi, anyone good with oracle? |
| 08:06.59 | wols_ | !tell minana about anyone |
| 08:07.05 | minana | well |
| 08:07.10 | minana | i want to open oracle .dmp file |
| 08:07.12 | minana | its a database |
| 08:07.15 | minana | how can i do that |
| 08:07.17 | wols_ | !enter |
| 08:07.17 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
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| 08:07.30 | wols_ | suggests asking oracle. it's their format |
| 08:07.42 | minana | their channel is +r |
| 08:07.47 | minana | i dont want to waste time registering nick |
| 08:07.57 | minana | plz u help me u look like a very intelligent and learned person |
| 08:07.59 | wols_ | have a nice day |
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| 08:09.36 | NotLim | suggests wols_ not use unnecessarily symbols like "_" |
| 08:09.36 | NotLim | 8) |
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| 08:09.36 | jelly-home | you don't want wols to have some tail? |
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| 08:09.45 | paranoidphreak | hi everybody, i've just upgraded lenny to squeeze and i installed virtualbox but it won't run any vm; it tells me to run "sudo /etc/init.d/vboxdrv setup" but when i run it, it gives me an error "Look at /var/log/vbox-install.log to find out what went wrong ... failed!". i know that i'm missing some module that supports the newest kernel but i can't recall the package. can anyone help me please |
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| 08:11.17 | jelly-home | paranoidphreak: have you... looked at that file? |
| 08:12.06 | paranoidphreak | jelly-home: no, i haven't.....i should've, lol |
| 08:12.23 | jelly-home | gives paranoidphreak a stern look |
| 08:12.25 | nsadmin | paranoidphreak: weeeeeeeeeeeeeeelllllllllllllllllll.... |
| 08:12.29 | nsadmin | could be :) |
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| 08:13.15 | paranoidphreak | i found this: Makefile:159: *** Error: unable to find the sources of your current Linux kernel. Specify KERN_DIR=<directory> and run Make again. Stop. |
| 08:13.20 | nsadmin | paranoidphreak: seriously... when people come like that, you tell me what to think... can't read? |
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| 08:14.16 | acathur | paranoidphreak: you probably need to install "virtualbox-ose-dkms" package |
| 08:14.30 | wols_ | and the headers for your used kernel |
| 08:14.36 | paranoidphreak | nsadmin: i'm really sorry about that |
| 08:15.02 | nsadmin | I mean, I don't mind... but people will -run- from you... |
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| 08:15.25 | paranoidphreak | acathur: i'm using virtualbox-3.2 and not the OSE version |
| 08:15.28 | jelly-home | paranoidphreak: two things: you're missing the equivalent of "sources of your current Linux kernel", which in Debian translates to package linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 08:15.37 | nsadmin | or offer you expensive service contracts :) |
| 08:15.40 | paranoidphreak | nsadmin: gotcha |
| 08:15.55 | jelly-home | paranoidphreak: second, you're using the non-free version which comes with a very nice manual and a very nice #vbox channel |
| 08:16.23 | nsadmin | "Oh yeah, this gig will be easy... all I have to do is read to him..." |
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| 08:17.16 | paranoidphreak | jelly-home: i should've went over there. i guess i need some sleep |
| 08:17.33 | paranoidphreak | jelly-home: thanks everyone |
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| 08:18.06 | nsadmin | does kvm have proprietary parts? |
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| 08:24.06 | valdyn | nsadmin: its in main |
| 08:26.07 | nsadmin | what do I do/read to get started |
| 08:26.34 | nsadmin | does it seem to play nice with fglrx or nvidia? |
| 08:28.34 | valdyn | nsadmin: like with any other X driver |
| 08:29.03 | nsadmin | hmm. I'm not understanding what kvm is |
| 08:29.08 | valdyn | !kvm |
| 08:29.08 | dpkg | somebody said kvm was kernel virtual memory, or keyboard/video/mouse. Kernel-based Virtual Machine, packaged for Debian as kvm in Lenny, qemu-kvm in Squeeze; see http://wiki.debian.org/KVM for installation instructions. Also ask me about <xve>. http://www.linux-kvm.org/ #kvm on irc.freenode.net. See also <virtualization>. |
| 08:29.09 | nsadmin | x driver |
| 08:29.10 | nsadmin | ?\ |
| 08:29.52 | valdyn | nsadmin: its something like virtualbox |
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| 08:31.50 | nsadmin | err, I meant "X driver?" |
| 08:33.13 | nsadmin | I was asking about whether it played nice with nvidia or fglrx because xen seems not to |
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| 08:34.48 | ethanol | mornin' people |
| 08:34.49 | rtronk | has anyone ever used ispconfig3 on debian? |
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| 08:35.07 | bolt | is it as awesome as cpanel? |
| 08:35.10 | wols_ | !tell rtronk about anyone |
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| 08:35.18 | bolt | those tools need to die |
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| 08:39.19 | jelly-home | !ispconfig |
| 08:39.19 | dpkg | ISPConfig is a web hosting control panel available under the BSD license - http://www.ispconfig.org/ |
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| 08:39.35 | ethanol | bolt: agreed |
| 08:40.57 | jelly-home | bolt: those tools serve a purpose, and while they're not necessarily on topic in here, reinventing wheels for your customers can be more expensive than using them |
| 08:41.23 | jelly-home | keep your blanket statements under the blanket please |
| 08:41.27 | ethanol | jelly-home: meh, they keep the ignorant ignorant. |
| 08:41.58 | jelly-home | I'll be glad to continue the discussion in #debian-offtopic |
| 08:42.18 | ethanol | rtronk: to answer your question, odds are, people have used it, yes. next question? |
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| 08:44.21 | General_Jung | Hi I want to compile on ym adm64 system against arm-uclib |
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| 08:45.12 | wols_ | General_Jung: then run gentoo ro LFS |
| 08:45.20 | General_Jung | I got only debian system |
| 08:45.31 | General_Jung | i already installed build-crosscompile |
| 08:45.54 | General_Jung | but there isn´t a way to use make menuconfig |
| 08:45.55 | General_Jung | that sad |
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| 08:46.26 | liable | eh? |
| 08:46.34 | liable | why wont make menuconfig work? |
| 08:46.37 | ethanol | General_Jung: Chong-Sun ? |
| 08:46.45 | General_Jung | no |
| 08:47.00 | General_Jung | its also a german word |
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| 08:47.02 | ethanol | Jin-Kwon? |
| 08:47.54 | jelly-home | !emdebian |
| 08:47.54 | dpkg | Emdebian is a binary distribution for embedded devices. It is created by the Embedded Debian project, an official Debian sub-project, which aims to make Debian GNU/Linux a mainstream choice for embedded projects. http://wiki.debian.org/Embedded_Debian http://www.emdebian.org/ #emdebian on irc.oftc.net. |
| 08:48.07 | jelly-home | General_Jung: those people may know more about crosscompiling |
| 08:48.20 | General_Jung | k thx |
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| 08:57.58 | NotLim | thanks! |
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| 09:07.20 | liable | manchot: it has a man page you know.. |
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| 09:28.52 | rtronk | can anyone assist me in setting up ispconfig3 on a Debian 5.0 64bit server? |
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| 09:31.59 | wols_ | rtronk: how often have you been told now to not ask "anyone" question? how about a proper, SPECIFIC question |
| 09:32.04 | wols_ | !tell rtronk about smart questions |
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| 09:39.00 | ethanol | rtronk: dude, ispconfig website has a direct link to an epic how-to for retards on installing debian + ispconfig3 |
| 09:39.11 | ethanol | rtronk: so please, go with the obvious, don't ask silly questions here |
| 09:39.20 | rtronk | im trying to follow it, but i need to bypass the installing debian part |
| 09:39.27 | ethanol | rtronk: then skip that page? |
| 09:39.37 | rtronk | yuppers |
| 09:39.44 | ethanol | rtronk: there's like this 'next page' link at the bottom, come on dude |
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| 09:40.20 | dam85 | hello |
| 09:40.33 | dam85 | i have debian etch ( i know it's old) |
| 09:40.44 | dam85 | i have to install libc7, but i have libc6 |
| 09:40.51 | dam85 | hoe can i do? :-( |
| 09:41.44 | ethanol | explain the "have to" |
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| 09:42.23 | dam85 | I must install APE (ape-project.org) |
| 09:42.26 | bluesceada | there is no libc7 |
| 09:42.33 | dam85 | yes there is not |
| 09:42.43 | dam85 | this software require libc7 |
| 09:42.59 | NiLon | I have A-Link wl54USB WLAN device connected, but how I can detect if it did find driver? |
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| 09:43.37 | dam85 | can i update only this package ? |
| 09:43.38 | NiLon | oh actually dmesg told [34651748.078535] usbcore: registered new interface driver zd1211rw |
| 09:43.54 | Worf | . o O ( is that Ape killing the Gnu and the Tux? ) |
| 09:44.07 | ethanol | dam85: aptitude install ape |
| 09:44.09 | bluesceada | i dont see and "libc7" package, also not in squeeze |
| 09:44.16 | ethanol | let aptitude resolve your issues |
| 09:44.37 | bluesceada | there is no ape in aptitude |
| 09:44.55 | dam85 | E: Couldn't find package ape |
| 09:45.02 | dam85 | i have to install it from source |
| 09:45.06 | dam85 | ops from .deb file |
| 09:45.06 | ethanol | why? |
| 09:45.19 | dam85 | there isn't on the repositories |
| 09:45.43 | ethanol | why bother using ape anyway? |
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| 09:45.56 | rtronk | i broked my server :\ lol |
| 09:46.18 | ethanol | rtronk: awesome |
| 09:46.32 | dam85 | so, how can i do? |
| 09:46.47 | dam85 | do i have to update to lenny? |
| 09:46.58 | bluesceada | not even squeeze has something called "libc7" |
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| 09:47.29 | dam85 | ape-server depends on libc6 (>= 2.7-1); however: |
| 09:47.37 | dam85 | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:47.44 | rtronk | would it matter that im on 64bit? |
| 09:48.04 | ethanol | dam85: lol, you need libc6 version 2.7-1 or higher |
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| 09:48.12 | ethanol | dam85: you don't need libc7, learn to read |
| 09:49.03 | ethanol | rtronk: 64bit ftw |
| 09:49.20 | dam85 | etch what have? |
| 09:49.32 | ethanol | dam85: `apt-cache policy libc6` |
| 09:49.36 | ethanol | dam85: find out yourself |
| 09:49.44 | bluesceada | dam85: either update to lenny or install the package by pinning |
| 09:49.52 | bluesceada | maybe it's a good time to update to lenny |
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| 09:50.51 | dam85 | http://nopaste.voric.com/paste.php?f=rgumo3 |
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| 09:51.08 | Sigur | i might have a problem with wifi in debian testing |
| 09:51.37 | dam85 | is it good? |
| 09:51.41 | dam85 | how to know the version? |
| 09:52.01 | dam85 | ops sorry |
| 09:52.04 | dam85 | 2.3.6 |
| 09:52.06 | dam85 | hmmm |
| 09:52.30 | bluesceada | aptitude -t lenny install libc6 |
| 09:52.38 | themill | no... don't do that |
| 09:52.39 | bluesceada | if you have the lenny repositories |
| 09:52.53 | bluesceada | ok probably not a good idea with libc, right |
| 09:52.59 | bluesceada | dam85: dont do it, update entirely to lenny |
| 09:53.10 | dam85 | one moment i post my repositories |
| 09:53.10 | themill | bluesceada: mixing releases is never a good plan |
| 09:53.27 | themill | dam85: you are a long way behind in your updates for etch, and etch is no longer supported anyway (for a few months now). /msg dpkg etch->lenny |
| 09:53.34 | bluesceada | yeh, i was not thinking, too early in the morning, sorry |
| 09:53.54 | dam85 | http://nopaste.voric.com/paste.php?f=bx8p4k |
| 09:53.57 | bluesceada | mixing is okay for user programs but not for something like a system wide important library |
| 09:54.26 | siriusnova | make -j 4 on a intel i3 dualcore with hyperthreading, yes or no? |
| 09:54.29 | siriusnova | anyone? |
| 09:54.31 | themill | bluesceada: even then it's the path to madness and a system that no-one wants to support. Don't do it and definitely don't recommend that other people do it. |
| 09:54.41 | siriusnova | or should it be make -j 2 |
| 09:54.43 | dam85 | ok |
| 09:54.44 | dam85 | i try |
| 09:54.48 | bluesceada | okay, i do it, but dont recommend to others ;-) |
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| 09:55.40 | dam85 | ok...so now i'm updating my etch |
| 09:55.42 | bluesceada | siriusnova: dualcore hyperthreading means 4 execution paths, try -j 5, maybe -j 4 (there was some discussion that newer schedulers/kernels are ok with 4) |
| 09:55.46 | dam85 | then i follow the instructions |
| 09:56.09 | bluesceada | dam85: after updating to lenny, you just need to compile ape |
| 09:56.41 | dam85 | yes, how to know what is the version of libc6 on lenny ? |
| 09:56.42 | siriusnova | bluesceada, atm in running with 4 |
| 09:56.45 | siriusnova | ill try 5 |
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| 09:57.58 | bluesceada | dam85: apt-cache policy libc6 |
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| 09:59.18 | dam85 | ok but i don't have lenny now |
| 09:59.19 | dam85 | :D |
| 09:59.35 | dam85 | i'm just upgrading |
| 09:59.40 | bluesceada | ok |
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| 10:01.19 | dam85 | aptitude install aptitude; <---- what is that?? |
| 10:01.24 | dam85 | aptitude install aptitude??? |
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| 10:01.45 | dam85 | i done /msg etch->lenny |
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| 10:02.51 | themill | dam85: do you not know the tool "aptitude" or do you not know what that command does? |
| 10:03.20 | dam85 | i know what is aptitude |
| 10:03.22 | dam85 | but |
| 10:03.30 | dam85 | aptitude install aptidute what does mean?? |
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| 10:04.27 | themill | dam85: just like any other "aptitude install foo" command, it installs the latest version of the package "aptitude". |
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| 10:04.48 | dam85 | ok |
| 10:04.50 | dam85 | perfect |
| 10:05.34 | Cruciformer | Hi all I am a debian newbie, recently moved from centos. I want to use the php5 from squeeze. I added the word squeeze to the end of /etc/apt/sources.list. How do I now actually tell apt to upgrade the package from squeeze? |
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| 10:06.07 | Cruciformer | or do I have to do something different in sources.list? |
| 10:06.28 | wols_ | Cruciformer: you do not want to do this |
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| 10:06.46 | dam85 | ok i'm upgrading aptitude |
| 10:06.53 | Cruciformer | wols_: Why not sir? |
| 10:06.54 | wols_ | !tell Cruciformer about bobbitt |
| 10:07.11 | wols_ | cause mixing branches of debian is the quickest way to a dead debian |
| 10:07.25 | themill | Cruciformer: mixing releases is the road to pain. Do you really really want php from squeeze? (most people with squeeze's php seem to want to downgrade it to something earlier) |
| 10:07.26 | wols_ | why do you need php5 from squeeze exactly? |
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| 10:07.51 | Cruciformer | new functions in 5.3.2 that a package I want to install needs. |
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| 10:08.41 | dam85 | i'm upgrading lenny....oh my goooood i hope all will be fine |
| 10:08.42 | dam85 | :D |
| 10:08.43 | themill | wishes the php developers could come up with a stable api |
| 10:08.45 | wols_ | Cruciformer: I suggest a backport: /msg dpkg ssb |
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| 10:09.01 | dam85 | aptitude safe-upgrade <--- what is safe-upgrade ? |
| 10:09.07 | wols_ | !pal themill |
| 10:09.07 | dpkg | points at themill and laughs hysterically |
| 10:09.18 | themill | dam85: "man aptitude" will explain this quite nicely. |
| 10:09.32 | wols_ | !tell dam85 about safe-upgrade |
| 10:09.58 | dam85 | ok |
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| 10:10.00 | dam85 | thank you |
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| 10:10.20 | e-anima | hi |
| 10:10.34 | e-anima | any ideas why this wont work: htpasswd -c passwd.pw marco foo |
| 10:10.41 | e-anima | this is correct |
| 10:10.56 | themill | dpkg: tell e-anima about doesn't work |
| 10:11.03 | e-anima | lol |
| 10:11.39 | e-anima | it shows tha man <usage> and that is: htpasswd -b[cmdpsD] passwordfile username password |
| 10:11.41 | e-anima | ha! |
| 10:11.58 | e-anima | so he thinks command is wrong |
| 10:12.13 | e-anima | its not. |
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| 10:12.32 | e-anima | im not some damned noob.... |
| 10:13.09 | themill | e-anima: you still haven't told us how it "doesn't work". |
| 10:13.24 | e-anima | it does not create the file, instead it prints the man |
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| 10:13.29 | themill | at last! |
| 10:13.49 | e-anima | like if you mak htpasswd -foo ,whats wrong and he shows the man |
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| 10:14.10 | themill | e-anima: you should look at that usage info more carefully. What you pasted contains the answer to your question. |
| 10:14.46 | e-anima | let me think |
| 10:15.15 | themill | e-anima: by convention, options not in [ ] are not optional |
| 10:15.22 | wols_ | will that mean there is a long waiting period now? |
| 10:15.25 | Cruciformer | wols_: backport.org didnt seem to have it but dotdeb does. Is it safe to install stuff from dotdeb? |
| 10:15.32 | wols_ | Cruciformer: no :) |
| 10:15.34 | wols_ | !dotdeb |
| 10:15.35 | dpkg | from memory, dotdeb is for the latest PHP and MySQL releases, packaged up and backported for your pleasure, go to http://dotdeb.org/, but realize that we cannot support dotdeb packages here, so you will be ON YOUR OWN. There is little reason to use dotdeb.org now that backported versions of PHP and MySQL are available from backports.org. Ask me about <backports> and <backports.org>. "aptitude purge ~Vdotdeb" |
| 10:15.42 | e-anima | thx themill |
| 10:15.45 | themill | Cruciformer: I've never seen anything but trouble from dotdeb. |
| 10:16.03 | wols_ | Cruciformer: personnally, I'd go the /msg dpkg ssb route |
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| 10:16.33 | e-anima | i have writte wrong notes to my wiki :( |
| 10:16.39 | e-anima | thanks very much themill |
| 10:17.34 | wols_ | Cruciformer: depending on the host involved, even going squeeze might be an option |
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| 10:17.57 | themill | e-anima: no worries |
| 10:19.19 | Cruciformer | wols_: It was me asking about how to install a squeeze package that lead me here :) I read what dpkg had to save about ssb, I asked for help on backports, and I went to backports.org. Someone somewhere is lying. dpkg says there is little reason to use dotdeb now that backports has a modern php and mysql, but searching for php on backports.org doesnt mention php 5.3.2. |
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| 10:20.50 | wols_ | Cruciformer: I meant upgrading to squeeze properly. no more stable/lenny but testing/squeeze only |
| 10:21.01 | Cruciformer | ah |
| 10:21.10 | wols_ | Cruciformer: dpkg is lying :) the dotdeb factoid is outdated, sorry |
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| 10:21.27 | wols_ | backports.org packages change fairly often due to the nature of that repo |
| 10:21.31 | dam85 | hey guys i'm following dpkg info......after the upgrade how to check if all went good ? :D |
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| 10:21.49 | wols_ | dam85: are there any errors reported? |
| 10:22.00 | dam85 | no yet :D |
| 10:22.27 | dam85 | ok finished!!! |
| 10:22.37 | dam85 | i do: aptitude update |
| 10:22.43 | dam85 | then dist-upgrade again |
| 10:22.44 | dam85 | ? |
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| 10:23.11 | Cruciformer | wols_: I guess compiling my own php5 on a lenny system should be Ok right? Seems like that may be the simplest way out. |
| 10:23.37 | Arrowmaster | thats exactly what 'ssb' is |
| 10:23.39 | wols_ | Cruciformer: as I told you /msg dpkg ssb |
| 10:23.44 | dam85 | ooooooooooook |
| 10:23.51 | Cruciformer | ah ok. |
| 10:23.53 | dam85 | there arent errors!!!!!!!!!!!! yeeeeeeeeeeeeesss |
| 10:23.57 | Cruciformer | hey arrowmaster |
| 10:24.02 | wols_ | yes that's it. BUT that's the difference: at the end you get a .deb which you can install and especially: Uninstall |
| 10:24.05 | Zeit|awy | just upgrading my 500km-away-server from etch to lenny.. wish me luck *g* |
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| 10:26.08 | Cruciformer | wols_: thanks for all the help I'm off to try the ssb thing. |
| 10:26.51 | dam85 | wowo all good! my websites are visible |
| 10:26.51 | dam85 | :D |
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| 10:26.59 | dam85 | thank you really much!!! |
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| 10:27.23 | rtronk | im in the process of installing ispconfig3 with a guide, i get to a install part and get this problem. |
| 10:27.36 | rtronk | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:27.48 | rtronk | and my ssh connection seems to just "freeze" |
| 10:28.07 | rtronk | any idea's? |
| 10:28.09 | wols_ | rtronk: first thing, what are you doing EXACTLY |
| 10:28.14 | wols_ | and 2nd, what virus scanner? |
| 10:28.21 | rtronk | http://www.howtoforge.com/perfect-server-debian-lenny-ispconfig3-p4 |
| 10:28.29 | rtronk | apt-get install amavisd-new spamassassin clamav clamav-daemon zoo unzip bzip2 arj nomarch lzop cabextract apt-listchanges libnet-ldap-perl libauthen-sasl-perl clamav-docs daemon libio-string-perl libio-socket-ssl-perl libnet-ident-perl zip libnet-dns-perl |
| 10:28.57 | wols_ | rtronk: FULL output of this command. in a pastebin |
| 10:28.57 | rtronk | did a fresh install of debian 5 64bit |
| 10:29.22 | rtronk | i cant get you the FULL but i can get you what my terminal still has |
| 10:29.50 | rtronk | http://pastebin.com/15eAW0XN |
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| 10:30.04 | rtronk | wait |
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| 10:30.21 | wols_ | rtronk: and the error is where? |
| 10:30.21 | rtronk | it finished. |
| 10:30.24 | rtronk | and gaave me more |
| 10:30.26 | rtronk | give me 1 more sec |
| 10:30.44 | rtronk | http://pastebin.com/5zWrW795 |
| 10:30.47 | rtronk | very bot |
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| 10:32.36 | rtronk | is there anything i can do to get more information to provide? |
| 10:32.54 | wols_ | reconfigure your clamav-daemon package |
| 10:33.05 | wols_ | also make sure you get clamav from volatile. /msg dpkg volatile |
| 10:33.09 | rtronk | how would i go about doing this? (complete newb) |
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| 10:33.38 | rtronk | yes i am getting it from there |
| 10:33.41 | Zeit|awy | read http://www.debian.org/volatile/ |
| 10:33.46 | rtronk | what would the apt command be to re configure it? |
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| 10:34.10 | wols_ | just install clamav from volatile |
| 10:34.17 | rtronk | i already tried to |
| 10:34.24 | rtronk | wait lemme try something |
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| 10:37.16 | _L30_ | hey Im new to debian |
| 10:37.25 | _L30_ | just looked into download section |
| 10:37.32 | _L30_ | why are there so many cd Images? |
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| 10:38.31 | wols_ | _L30_: cause debian is big. very very big. you don't need all those CDs tho. you usually install either from netinst, a 160MB ISO, or CD1 a 700MB ISO |
| 10:38.39 | wols_ | no need to download all 20+ CDs |
| 10:38.42 | _L30_ | there are around 40 iso http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.4/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 10:38.48 | _L30_ | ok thanks wols_ |
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| 10:42.58 | _L30_ | what makes the difference among them?? |
| 10:43.50 | Arrowmaster | the higher the number on the cd, the less popular the stuff on them |
| 10:44.03 | Zeit|awy | as wols_ said: you normally don't install from CD, you take a small for network install and select only the stuff you need |
| 10:44.21 | e-anima | hmm themill, before i write a wrong comment here. http://www.howtoforge.de/howto/einrichtung-von-webdav-mit-apache2-auf-debian-lenny/, at point 4 he writes -> htpasswd -c /var/www/web1/passwd.dav test |
| 10:44.25 | e-anima | so tht is wrong |
| 10:44.42 | Zeit|awy | debian as other distros is _huge_ with thousnds of programs you will never need |
| 10:45.39 | _L30_ | ok thanks guys got it :) |
| 10:46.04 | nsadmin | dam85 putting another libc in the position of system-wide libc is not a good idea |
| 10:46.25 | nsadmin | try building it in your home dir |
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| 10:48.47 | kjs_ | Guys, is there anything out there that will look at my apt database and tell me when my server was last updated? I have a bunch of servers now and logging into each every so often and chekcing they re up to date I would like to build a tool that will keep track of this, or use something foss if it already exists. |
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| 10:50.54 | Arrowmaster | kjs_: tail /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 10:51.27 | Zeit|awy | rebooting remote server, crossing fingers.. *sigh* |
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| 10:55.15 | HandyGandy | Help!. I was trying to do apt-get upgrade. I ran out of room on / and it crashed doing three packages: linux-image, linux-generic and linux-image-generic-2.6.whatever. Nothing I did could get those to finish. So I did a apt-get remove linux-image-generic-2whatever. The remove get's to this point where it display depmod then a string of . that is 5 lines long ( and getting longer ). On top of everything I keep clearing s |
| 10:55.16 | HandyGandy | tuff out of / but it seems to be constantly filling it. |
| 10:55.52 | nsadmin | kjs_: are you not the only person who updates them? |
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| 10:56.57 | nsadmin | HandyGandy: how many partitions do you hae |
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| 10:57.53 | HandyGandy | nsadmin about 16 opver 2 hd. Are you asking something more specific there? |
| 10:58.18 | nsadmin | anything on /var? |
| 10:58.33 | HandyGandy | I have cleaned out about 4 G on / but that's now filled. |
| 10:58.48 | nsadmin | where is it filling? |
| 10:59.02 | Zeit|awy | at least it rebooted.. more than sarge to etch.. *g* |
| 10:59.06 | HandyGandy | I have about 2G free on /var. I keep that on a seperate partition. |
| 10:59.15 | HandyGandy | Zeit|awy: / |
| 11:00.18 | HandyGandy | Oh sorry I meant nsadmin: / |
| 11:00.37 | HandyGandy | si there anyway to tell where it is actually filling this stuff? |
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| 11:00.58 | _L30_ | Arrowmaster: i suppose debian-504-i386-netinst.iso would be the best way to start with right? |
| 11:01.49 | nsadmin | what you want to do is a du -s --one-file-system (dir off / that's not a mount point) |
| 11:01.52 | nsadmin | for each such dir |
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| 11:04.49 | nsadmin | for example /var is not, because it's mounted |
| 11:04.53 | _L30_ | nsadmin: debian-504-i386-netinst.iso would it be good to start with? |
| 11:05.10 | nsadmin | _L30_: what cpu? |
| 11:05.21 | nsadmin | what is your intent? what is the box for? |
| 11:05.26 | _L30_ | core 2 duo 2.8ghz |
| 11:05.36 | nsadmin | you have a choice |
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| 11:05.47 | nsadmin | you can either use that or the amd64 one |
| 11:05.54 | Zeit|awy | amd64 I suggest |
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| 11:06.07 | nsadmin | we don't know what purpose the box will serve |
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| 11:06.11 | Zeit|awy | amd64 = not only AMD but 64bit |
| 11:06.28 | _L30_ | nsadmin: consider the general scenario |
| 11:06.36 | nsadmin | what's that? |
| 11:06.36 | _L30_ | home usage |
| 11:07.00 | nsadmin | will you be using proprietary binary-only software? |
| 11:07.09 | _L30_ | yes |
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| 11:07.48 | Zeit|awy | check them for 64bit compatibility if possible |
| 11:07.48 | nsadmin | ok, let me explain some things... |
| 11:08.10 | nsadmin | the one you choose you will be stuck with |
| 11:08.48 | nsadmin | if you choose the i386 one, that means that all the -user programs- will be compiled for 32-bit i368 |
| 11:09.08 | nsadmin | user programs meaning things like cat grep sed uniq perl less more |
| 11:09.16 | _L30_ | ok |
| 11:09.30 | _L30_ | well i just prefer sticking to 32but |
| 11:09.32 | _L30_ | bit* |
| 11:10.19 | nsadmin | it's been found by many people using a "home system" that the binary-only crap ^W software is more problematic on a 64 bit system, at least right now |
| 11:10.28 | nsadmin | this is decreasing |
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| 11:11.06 | nsadmin | so these programs (sed grep less more perl etc) are called the userland |
| 11:11.17 | nsadmin | as opposed to the kernel land |
| 11:11.39 | _L30_ | ok |
| 11:11.52 | nsadmin | once you make this choice, the only way to switch later is to wipe and reinstall |
| 11:12.09 | nsadmin | it's not one of the things that is an easy upgrade |
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| 11:13.27 | nsadmin | probably the choice you've made is a good one |
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| 11:14.58 | nsadmin | on the other hand, if this were a server, then probably it wouldn't use this kind of binary-only crap |
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| 11:16.44 | nsadmin | and at that point you could build anything you wanted, because anything you would want would probably be available as source |
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| 11:17.26 | wols_ | Zeit|awy: AMD64 = no amd at all |
| 11:17.51 | nsadmin | so make your choice... you're pretty well informed |
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| 11:18.02 | nsadmin | err no, make your choice NOW |
| 11:18.07 | nsadmin | err, no, NOW |
| 11:18.42 | abrotman | don't make a choice? |
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| 11:19.38 | nsadmin | he already did :) |
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| 11:20.41 | Zeit|awy | well, the name is historically. AMD was first in 64bit, so Linux-community labeled it amd64 (2002) and later expanded it to Intels versions |
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| 11:22.14 | OpenTokix | Zeit|awy: Amd invented it and intel has licensed the 64bit extensions to the 386-platform even. |
| 11:22.22 | Zeit|awy | yep |
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| 11:23.13 | Zeit|awy | the K8 was also the first x86 one with (some) 64bit |
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| 11:23.46 | valdyn | "some" ? |
| 11:23.48 | valdyn | nonsense |
| 11:24.10 | nsadmin | _L30_, btw you should be able to run a 64-bit kernel even if you choose a 32-bit userland |
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| 11:24.26 | Bushmills | 386 already had "some", as it could multiply 32*32->64 :) |
| 11:25.02 | valdyn | now thats even more far fetched than just mmx ( pentium mmx ) ;) |
| 11:25.05 | _L30_ | nsadmin: i just want to test different builds |
| 11:25.19 | _L30_ | using linux live scripts |
| 11:25.20 | Zeit|awy | somehow some. I'm used to sparc and POWER, so excuse my.. "some".. ;) |
| 11:25.27 | _L30_ | so just came over here to debian |
| 11:25.43 | nsadmin | oh, so you're install/wiping? |
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| 11:26.06 | _L30_ | not wiping them |
| 11:26.32 | _L30_ | making a raw build with various kernels then testing them with vbox and various hardwares |
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| 11:26.35 | HandyGandy | nsadmin: OK I found the file /lib/modules/2.6.whatever/modules.ccwmap.temp . It's close to 10G right now. |
| 11:27.12 | nsadmin | how much space is your /? |
| 11:27.33 | _L30_ | have tested with pureOS n ubuntu systems , mint now comes with debian |
| 11:27.54 | HandyGandy | nsadmin: Total about 22.5G. |
| 11:27.59 | HandyGandy | 22.5? |
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| 11:28.06 | niteye | # mysqladmin version |
| 11:28.06 | niteye | mysqladmin: connect to server at 'localhost' failed |
| 11:28.06 | niteye | error: 'Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (111)' does anyone know what this means? |
| 11:28.10 | kjs_ | nsadmin: mostly me who updates the boxes |
| 11:28.30 | wols_ | niteye: is your mysql server running? |
| 11:28.44 | nsadmin | kjs_, ok well looking at that log should tell you |
| 11:28.53 | the_sniff | i need a tool to get me the current dir of a process that's using over n% cpu. is there something like this built in? im trying to write a script for it but it doesnt sound like the best solution |
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| 11:29.16 | niteye | when i do /etc/init.d/mysql start, then nothing seemingly appears to happen, it just returns to the prompt without saying "started" or "failed" or anything, so i'm assuming this is somehow failing |
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| 11:29.54 | wols_ | then check your logs |
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| 11:30.10 | wols_ | and of course: ps aux|grep mysqld |
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| 11:30.45 | niteye | /var/log/mysql is entirelly empty, and no mysqld processes are running |
| 11:30.59 | iceroot | niteye: you can start mysql directly with -v. so use mysql -v (or -d have a look at the manpage) |
| 11:31.15 | nsadmin | niteye: is the mysql server installed? |
| 11:31.23 | abrotman | the_sniff: do you have the PID ? |
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| 11:32.17 | the_sniff | abrotman yeah but the scripts ends too quick |
| 11:32.22 | abrotman | ends ? |
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| 11:32.44 | abrotman | the_sniff: poke around in /proc/<PID>/ .. might be in there |
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| 11:32.59 | nsadmin | HandyGandy: so that's the file that's growing? hmm,,, find out what its purpose is |
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| 11:33.28 | HandyGandy | nsadmin: Not much on google. |
| 11:33.33 | the_sniff | abrotman i did but i need some thing to log it and do it automatically because the apache process finishes processing the php script |
| 11:33.40 | abrotman | oh |
| 11:33.54 | abrotman | you can't find the scrpit that is killing the CPU ? |
| 11:34.00 | the_sniff | im trying to write a bash script for it but i was wondering if there was something better, maybe using some API calls or hooks or w/e |
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| 11:34.30 | nsadmin | how would one find out what /lib/modules/2.6.whatever/modules.ccwmap.temp is for, and why it grows? |
| 11:34.33 | niteye | aah yes now i installed it and it seems to work! (well it still gives an error but its about the password not being correct so its all swell) |
| 11:34.40 | the_sniff | abrotman: i did find the ONE killing the CPU the problem is now there are many that dont kill the CPU by themselves but altogether they do |
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| 11:35.46 | nsadmin | the_sniff: you need to first get a list of process IDs where that process is using more than N% cpu |
| 11:36.19 | abrotman | the_sniff: if they're cron tasks, they'd be easy to find .. I don't know of tool that can tell you exactly which process |
| 11:36.22 | nsadmin | for each one, determine its cwd |
| 11:36.45 | abrotman | judd: info atsar --release lenny |
| 11:36.46 | judd | atsar (admin, optional): system activity reporter. Version: 1.7-2; Size: 40.0k; Installed: 108k |
| 11:36.47 | abrotman | maybe? |
| 11:36.53 | abrotman | not sure how much detail it has |
| 11:36.54 | the_sniff | abrotman so the script i'm writing is a first? :p |
| 11:37.25 | abrotman | the_sniff: i doubt it, but i've never looked for something that you're describing ... Usually i don't have a pile of rogue PHP scripts on a system doing things I don't know about :) |
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| 11:38.02 | HandyGandy | nsadmin: SHould I just kill the "apt-get remove linux-image-whatever" ? |
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| 11:38.26 | nsadmin | if you do that you could screw things up |
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| 11:38.35 | nsadmin | like your package db |
| 11:38.57 | nsadmin | but this file is growing without bounds? |
| 11:39.17 | HandyGandy | If I don't it's likely that I will run out of things to move off of /. |
| 11:39.30 | HandyGandy | No sign of a bound yet. |
| 11:39.48 | the_sniff | abrotman: its a production server with about 100 live websites |
| 11:39.48 | HandyGandy | the apt-get remove screen is filled with ".". |
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| 11:39.58 | the_sniff | its not a rogue script, just under-optimized ones |
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| 11:40.38 | abrotman | the_sniff: maybe 'monit' ? |
| 11:41.12 | abrotman | not sure if it works for non-daemons |
| 11:41.13 | the_sniff | ill look it up thank you |
| 11:42.01 | abrotman | and there are a few tools to gather stats, not sure if that'd help or not |
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| 11:46.00 | HandyGandy | abrotman: I was trying to do apt-get upgrade. I ran out of room on / and it crashed doing three packages: linux-image, linux-generic and linux-image-generic-2.6.whatever. Nothing I did could get those to finish. So I did a apt-get remove linux-image-generic-2whatever. The remove get's to the point where it prints depmod then a string of '.; that is 30 lines long ( and getting longer ). On top of everything there is thi |
| 11:46.00 | HandyGandy | s file /lib/modules/2.6-whatever/modules.ccwmap.temp that just keeps growing to fill up /. Any suggestions on what to do? |
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| 11:46.14 | abrotman | HandyGandy: ask #ubuntu |
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| 11:52.17 | ncp | my vps was working fine 8-10 hours ago, but now it fresh on allmost every cmd (top etc.) and also no pages are able to load from apache. nothing in log files so not really sure where to start looking? |
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| 11:54.00 | petemc | ncp: freezes? which logs are you checking? |
| 11:55.12 | ncp | petemc: all of them i guess... use 'tail -f /var/log/*.log' |
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| 11:55.41 | petemc | ncp: take a closer look at syslog/dmesg/messages |
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| 11:56.20 | petemc | ncp: are sshing into the machine or.. ? |
| 11:56.36 | ncp | petemc: yes |
| 11:56.46 | petemc | and is the load spiking? |
| 11:56.51 | ncp | nope |
| 11:57.01 | ncp | but |
| 11:57.15 | ncp | now i cant cat syslog etc |
| 11:57.18 | ncp | just freesh |
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| 11:57.33 | petemc | does the dmesg command work? |
| 11:57.56 | ncp | heh yes, but no output |
| 11:58.47 | ncp | cant do ls i /var/log then it also fresh... so use sshfs to mount log folder on remote system |
| 11:58.53 | ncp | in* |
| 11:59.23 | petemc | i cant imagine that working is something like ls doesnt work |
| 11:59.29 | petemc | s/is/if/ |
| 11:59.42 | ncp | iknow |
| 12:00.05 | petemc | so why even talk about it? |
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| 12:00.22 | XB23 | is there a way to make wget just echo a file |
| 12:00.26 | XB23 | rather than downloading it |
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| 12:01.43 | ncp | petemc: the system i more or less down.... etc. apache responds but cant load ANY pages, and allmost every cmd don't work... |
| 12:01.50 | Bushmills | yes. -O /dev/tty |
| 12:01.59 | abrotman | XB23: you can -O - |
| 12:02.03 | Bushmills | -O - might work. not tested |
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| 12:02.46 | abrotman | it even mentions it in the man page |
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| 12:03.45 | Swizzy | hi guys, i'm trying to install rtorrent and i get this error: |
| 12:03.50 | Swizzy | rtorrent debian checking for libcurl... configure: error: package requirements (libcurl >= 7.15.4) were not met: no package 'libcurl' found |
| 12:03.54 | XB23 | nah didnt work |
| 12:04.01 | Swizzy | what to do? |
| 12:04.48 | wols_ | ,versions rtorrent |
| 12:04.49 | judd | rtorrent -- etch: 0.6.4-1; lenny: 0.7.9-2.2; sid: 0.8.6-1; squeeze: 0.8.6-1 |
| 12:04.51 | nsadmin | Swizzy: why are you compiling it |
| 12:04.57 | abrotman | Swizzy: where did you get that rtorrent package ? |
| 12:05.05 | Swizzy | because i want to use wtorrent with it |
| 12:05.11 | Swizzy | and all guides i find tell me to compile it |
| 12:05.29 | nsadmin | , versions wtorrent |
| 12:05.29 | Swizzy | http://www.webupd8.org/2009/12/compile-and-set-up-rtorrent-and.html <--- following this guide |
| 12:05.31 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'wtorrent' was found. |
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| 12:05.47 | abrotman | Swizzy: you want something like libcurl-dev |
| 12:06.25 | valdyn | Swizzy: you don't need to compile rtorrent |
| 12:06.29 | nsadmin | you probably dont' need to compile rtorrent |
| 12:06.42 | valdyn | Swizzy: ( I know because im using it ) |
| 12:06.54 | Swizzy | valdyn: do you also use wtorrent? |
| 12:06.56 | nsadmin | what's a wtorrnet? |
| 12:07.04 | Swizzy | wtorrent is a webui for rtorrent |
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| 12:07.11 | valdyn | nsadmin: php based web frontend to rtorrent |
| 12:07.12 | nsadmin | why web? |
| 12:07.24 | Swizzy | remote easy acess? |
| 12:07.25 | valdyn | nsadmin: why not? |
| 12:07.37 | valdyn | its neat |
| 12:07.47 | nsadmin | and well groomed? |
| 12:08.26 | valdyn | Swizzy: that's what I meant: I'm using wtorrent |
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| 12:09.44 | Swizzy | valdyn: ahh, ok... do you have a good guide i can read which don't require me to compile rtorrent? |
| 12:09.44 | nsadmin | start by finding the appropriate -dev libs to install |
| 12:09.44 | valdyn | Swizzy: thats your guide when you skip the compiling part |
| 12:10.03 | valdyn | Swizzy: I never used a guide for this beyond whats at the wtorrent web site |
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| 12:11.06 | Swizzy | valdyn: so i run apt-get install rtorrent instead of compiling it? |
| 12:11.23 | Swizzy | and proceed with everything else according to the guide? |
| 12:11.25 | valdyn | Swizzy: yes |
| 12:11.49 | valdyn | Swizzy: I'm not going to read your guide for you |
| 12:12.03 | valdyn | Swizzy: but for the compiling part - install the debian package instead |
| 12:12.09 | Swizzy | ok |
| 12:12.16 | Swizzy | thanks :) |
| 12:12.28 | nsadmin | don't follow the guide if it says make a network bridge then jump off it :) |
| 12:13.03 | bolt | in fact, just install rtorrent and read the man page |
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| 12:19.09 | gigasoft | where i can find drivers for debian linux web can ? |
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| 12:20.28 | gigasoft | urgent: where i can find drivers for debian linux web can ? |
| 12:20.35 | gigasoft | urgent: where i can find drivers for debian linux web cam ? |
| 12:21.05 | lindi- | gigasoft: repeating the same question will only guarantee that you won't get answers |
| 12:21.14 | nsadmin | gigasoft, google.com maybe? |
| 12:21.17 | liable | but its *urgent*!!! |
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| 12:21.28 | gigasoft | ok, i'm, in hurry |
| 12:21.29 | nsadmin | good, give me money |
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| 12:22.13 | nsadmin | or search faster |
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| 12:26.09 | wols_ | githogori: which webcam do you have? what chip? what usb id? |
| 12:26.24 | wols_ | doh, he's already gone. too much of a hurry I guess |
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| 12:35.39 | wols_ | what hardware do you have? what chip does it use? |
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| 12:35.47 | wols_ | doh :/ |
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| 12:48.05 | ethanol | http://www.explosm.net/comics/2068/ |
| 12:48.06 | ethanol | awesome <3 |
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| 12:56.23 | abrotman | ethanol: #debian-offtopic please |
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| 12:56.58 | ethanol | abrotman: I've hit my channel limit :< |
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| 13:01.02 | abrotman | ethanol: that doesn't mean you should use this for your junk |
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| 13:02.21 | ethanol | yeah cause breaking the silence after 20 minutes really hurt a lot of people |
| 13:02.32 | ethanol | my bad man, wont do it again :< |
| 13:03.05 | liable | irc is serious business.. |
| 13:03.55 | abrotman | ethanol: so we should let everyone talk about whatever they want when the channel is idle? That's not how it works |
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| 13:05.09 | ethanol | abrotman: evidently. |
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| 13:06.34 | abrotman | Thanks! |
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| 13:11.49 | Bushmills | ethanol: consider the possibility of unanswered question in the log, and people not watching the channel all the time. makes it difficult to scroll back to those unanswered questions |
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| 13:14.47 | JamesM | hi, I've borked my sources.list. Running unstable, was wondering if there was a list of the correct sources? |
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| 13:15.51 | TaHaNoM | hi! |
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| 13:16.21 | TaHaNoM | how can i to make autologin, but my server is remote, and i need to do this by a ssh shell |
| 13:16.43 | joltcan | TaHaNoM: Autologin of what exactly? |
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| 13:17.16 | TaHaNoM | joltcan, gdm, i need than gdm make autologin of an specific user |
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| 13:17.54 | TaHaNoM | joltcan, start the X and logining the user |
| 13:18.16 | FunnyMan3596 | Hey, folks. I'm trying to get libapache2-mod-python to use python2.6, but I'm not having any luck so far. Do I have to recompile it, or is there a simple method that I'm missing? |
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| 13:19.38 | joltcan | TaHaNoM: http://tinyurl.com/2ddpeot |
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| 13:19.48 | TaHaNoM | joltcan, the main problem is, i need to make a remote access to that server using vnc. I dont know other way to make remote access, if i dont have X started |
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| 13:20.30 | jordanm | FunnyMan3596: you might need python2.6 as your default env, which is not possible currently. what is the purpose? |
| 13:20.43 | TaHaNoM | joltcan, nice,how did you do that? xD jeje |
| 13:20.54 | TaHaNoM | joltcan, that howto xD jajaj |
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| 13:21.36 | FunnyMan3596 | jordanm: I have done that. I fixed /usr/share/pyhton/debian_defaults to use 2.6 and altered the /usr/bin/python symlink to match. |
| 13:22.26 | joltcan | TaHaNoM: look for AutomaticLoginEnable in the gdm config file. I have not done it myself, but I think that might be it |
| 13:23.05 | TaHaNoM | joltcan, tnks im trying |
| 13:23.34 | Varista`nb | If I wanted to run svn through a script, how would I go about doing that? |
| 13:23.40 | FunnyMan3596 | */usr/share/python/debian_defaults, even. |
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| 13:23.48 | Varista`nb | When I try /usr/lib/svn it says it does not exist. |
| 13:23.52 | TaHaNoM | but, how do you did the google how to xD, whats the url, to make my owns |
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| 13:24.55 | dosius | @tahanom: i did it that way: go in the gnome menu to system -> system settings -> login screen. There you can choose your user account that should be logged in automatically. Afterwards i used "gnome-screensaver -l" as a startup program to lock the screen. When i log in i have all settings already loaded..... |
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| 13:26.47 | joltcan | TaHaNoM: I actually would prefer this method... http://www.shellperson.net/autostart-x-without-gdm/ |
| 13:26.58 | TaHaNoM | disposable, tnks, but i dont have gdm, im remotely |
| 13:27.13 | TaHaNoM | dosius, sorry |
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| 13:27.45 | wrksx | will the names of the apache bins ant conf return to httpd etc ? it's so confusing to find an empty http.conf file in /Etc/apache2 ... |
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| 13:28.04 | wrksx | and apache 1.3 is not used a lot |
| 13:28.09 | dosius | no problem :) |
| 13:29.34 | TaHaNoM | joltcan, i dont know what am i doing wrong, yesterday y follow al of the 1st link, but nothign |
| 13:29.36 | Chris7mas | how many primary partitions can one have at a time? |
| 13:29.40 | ethanol | wrksx: you can use it for custom options so you don't have to adjust the main config |
| 13:30.02 | ethanol | wrksx: I believe apache2.conf includes httpd.conf |
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| 13:30.17 | wrksx | ethanol, oh that would be cool. but confusing |
| 13:30.59 | ethanol | meh, to each their own |
| 13:31.06 | ethanol | suppose it keeps the main config file clean |
| 13:31.14 | ethanol | and the adjustments confined and easy to oversee |
| 13:31.18 | rudi_s | Chris7mas: Please ask questions only in one channel. |
| 13:31.18 | FunnyMan3596 | jordanm: As for the reason, I'm upgrading from Ubuntu, and my mod_python driven stuff uses 2.6. Fixing mod_python to use the right version is less annoying than fixing my code. :) |
| 13:31.45 | joltcan | TaHaNoM: Sorry, I don't run X |
| 13:31.51 | Chris7mas | ok, i was in a rush, but got my answer |
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| 13:32.58 | d0uglas | hi, would someone kindly hit me with a link to help me install xorg headlessly to use remotely? |
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| 13:33.52 | jordanm | FunnyMan3596: ok? |
| 13:33.57 | ethanol | d0uglas: www.google.com |
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| 13:34.30 | d0uglas | not having much luck there, just finding stuff on the client side.. i'll keep digging |
| 13:34.33 | krion | anyone using heartbeat on lenny ? |
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| 13:34.47 | krion | i'm having trouble make it work on a specific machine |
| 13:34.53 | baraka | hiù |
| 13:35.02 | krion | i delete /var/run/heartbeat/register i cannont manage to recreate it |
| 13:35.23 | baraka84 | hi, i installed debian and i get grub error 15 |
| 13:35.53 | d0uglas | more abstract question -- why are people still hanging onto saying www when telling people to go to their site, verbally or on the computer, instead of just the domain? why does google rewrite to www? why haven't we phased that out |
| 13:36.08 | d0uglas | at least we've moved on from saying http:// |
| 13:37.27 | ethanol | d0uglas: why not? |
| 13:37.27 | jordanm | d0uglas: www is a common hostname to give your webserver. |
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| 13:38.19 | d0uglas | because it's longer and nowadays most people don't configure their setup only to let in web activity to a www subdomain |
| 13:38.20 | ||cw | google only rewrites to www when the server without www dones't respond. often it's the site itself that redirects to www though |
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| 13:39.10 | jordanm | d0uglas: but even so, foobar.com is going to be someone top level domain... and still need a hostname |
| 13:39.12 | d0uglas | ||cw: then it appears that that server is either generally or always down |
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| 13:39.26 | xiangfu | Hi is there a command to update the debian/changelog file?? or this file is write manually? thanks |
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| 13:39.43 | xiangfu | I saw there is 'data' 'email' ... |
| 13:39.48 | djura-san | o/ |
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| 13:39.51 | jordanm | xiangfu: dch command. also recommended is devscripts-el that has debian-changelog-mode |
| 13:40.33 | xiangfu | thanks jordanm |
| 13:40.34 | jordanm | !tell xiangfu about nmg |
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| 14:04.28 | TaHaNoM | que rollo como controlo una pc remota |
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| 14:09.01 | TaHaNoM | joltcan, i cant to start vnc server |
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| 14:12.15 | labirinto1234 | some good wemail for postfix? |
| 14:12.20 | labirinto1234 | webmail |
| 14:12.36 | petern_ | hmm, how can i enable ssh for sftp only? |
| 14:12.42 | wols_ | labirinto1234: roundcube? squirrelmail? |
| 14:12.43 | petern_ | i looked at scponly but it's useless |
| 14:13.07 | labirinto1234 | thank's |
| 14:13.10 | wols_ | petern_: maybe set the user's login shell to /bin/false? |
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| 14:13.47 | JyZyXEL | why doesn't aptitude support wildcards |
| 14:13.58 | abrotman | in what way? |
| 14:14.07 | wols_ | petern_: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/94 |
| 14:14.08 | JyZyXEL | aptitude remove webmin-* |
| 14:14.44 | wols_ | JyZyXEL: cause you have a shell? |
| 14:15.09 | JyZyXEL | no the shell passes the * to the aptitude |
| 14:15.18 | robinetd | Wouldn't that work if you did webmin-\* ? |
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| 14:16.12 | petern_ | hmm, oops, scponly does work |
| 14:16.26 | petern_ | i had already been reading that one :) |
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| 14:21.13 | acathur | JyZyXEL: try "aptitude remove ~nwebmin-*" |
| 14:21.44 | JyZyXEL | whats with the ~n ? |
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| 14:24.21 | wols_ | JyZyXEL: aptitude install aptitude-doc |
| 14:24.25 | acathur | JyZyXEL: http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s03s05.html#tableSearchTermQuickGuide |
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| 14:26.02 | JyZyXEL | man why couldn't they just add a simple wildcard support |
| 14:26.21 | JyZyXEL | how am i supposed to remember that shit |
| 14:27.15 | TaHaNoM | im connected to a remote server by ssh, how can i run in that server a VNCserver to control it by vnc. when i run vncserver, it shows me another terminal, i need to see the :0 display |
| 14:27.23 | abrotman | JyZyXEL: shocker .. you might have to actually read |
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| 14:28.28 | JyZyXEL | ew |
| 14:28.54 | jordanm | I think that the way it works is perfectly fine, but a manpage reference would be ideal |
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| 14:30.26 | wols_ | TaHaNoM: does an X server already run on that remote machine? |
| 14:31.31 | TaHaNoM | wols_, yeah, the user is already connected |
| 14:31.41 | TaHaNoM | and loged in |
| 14:32.19 | wols_ | then set DISPLAY properly, fiddle with xauth in proper ways and THEN start vncserver |
| 14:33.55 | TaHaNoM | wols_, thats the problem, i dont know how to do that, im connected by ssh |
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| 14:34.25 | TaHaNoM | wols_, when i run vncserver, it start but in the terminal ssh, i can to connect to the same terminal by ssh |
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| 14:34.33 | TaHaNoM | wols_, i need to connect to the X |
| 14:34.40 | TaHaNoM | wols_, not to the terminal |
| 14:35.19 | wols_ | do you know what a DISPLAY environment variable is? |
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| 14:36.10 | wols_ | !tell TaHaNoM about sshx |
| 14:36.18 | TaHaNoM | wols_, :0 is |
| 14:36.32 | wols_ | tho that is probably not what you want |
| 14:36.46 | TaHaNoM | nope |
| 14:36.58 | TaHaNoM | i need to see the desktop |
| 14:37.00 | wols_ | TaHaNoM: so what is DISPLAY set to? and what exactly does vncserver do when you run it? cause what you described so far I doN#t understand at all |
| 14:37.01 | TaHaNoM | no another terminal |
| 14:37.27 | TaHaNoM | i do this http://www.debianadmin.com/how-to-auto-login-and-startx-without-a-display-manager-in-debian.html#more-617 |
| 14:37.34 | TaHaNoM | to make autologin |
| 14:37.44 | TaHaNoM | i need than the user where connected |
| 14:39.44 | wols_ | !es |
| 14:39.45 | dpkg | Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat |
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| 14:40.41 | wols_ | TaHaNoM: welcome to my ignore list for spamming me in PM |
| 14:41.29 | TaHaNoM | wols_, :S i ony has showing the ouput |
| 14:41.37 | TaHaNoM | was |
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| 14:43.59 | simonrvn | TaHaNoM: see /topic : /msg bots NOT people |
| 14:44.22 | xelister | is it easy to setup an simple email server, that will only receive emails from other's and allow client to download the received emails via secure IMAP for example? |
| 14:44.24 | cafaro | Hi, I'm trying to remove a package, but it returns an error, I think I somehow broke it... Anyone could help me with this? Here's the log: http://pastebin.com/RpJsD14x |
| 14:44.34 | TaHaNoM | :S ? |
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| 14:45.27 | SlayerXP | xelister: yes |
| 14:45.37 | SlayerXP | xelister: i have a howto for that, if you like |
| 14:46.22 | SlayerXP | xelister: http://hinterlands.org/wiki/index.php/DebianEximDovecotSquirrelmailSieve |
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| 14:47.10 | xelister | SlayerXP: can this be done in say 15 minutes? |
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| 14:47.41 | wrksx | I found a package called libapache2-mod-vhost-hash-alias. why hash in the name while the module is call vhost-alias by apache ? |
| 14:48.06 | the_sniff | W: mdadm: /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf defines no arrays. |
| 14:48.17 | the_sniff | where does my system get it's arrays if not from there? |
| 14:48.46 | flupke | I don't get good integration with virtualbox additions (the ones from the host) and a squeeze guest (for example I get a better resolution but I still have to hit CTRL to get out of the guest), is there a workaround ? |
| 14:48.47 | wols_ | cafaro: add the key so dpkg can remove it again? |
| 14:48.59 | ethanol | wrksx: why ask us? |
| 14:49.15 | wols_ | ,versions libapache2-mod-vhost-hash-alias |
| 14:49.17 | judd | libapache2-mod-vhost-hash-alias -- etch: 1.0-1.1; lenny: 1.0-2; sid: 1.0-2; squeeze: 1.0-2 |
| 14:49.21 | JyZyXEL | what is the point in even having a "set root=(hd?,?)" in grub.cfg when there is --fs-uuid |
| 14:49.23 | wols_ | ethanol: that's why :) |
| 14:49.29 | wrksx | ethanol, debian made the package name |
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| 14:49.56 | ethanol | wrksx: aptitude show libapache2-mod-vhost-hash-alias -- the description described what has been modified compared to the original |
| 14:50.05 | ethanol | wrksx: a child of 6 could have figured that out :< |
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| 14:50.44 | wols_ | ethanol: it's a holiday here today, hence it's a sunday. I leave the rest as an excercise for you :) |
| 14:50.55 | simonrvn | JyZyXEL: set root is like a 'cd' command |
| 14:51.25 | JyZyXEL | but it doesn't matter what it is as long as the fs-uuid is correct |
| 14:51.28 | simonrvn | but closer to chroot without having the "locked-in" status of chroot |
| 14:51.46 | wrksx | ethanol, is this possible to have this description translated ? since I'm 6, I don't understand english so well |
| 14:52.16 | ethanol | wrksx: google translate away young padawan. |
| 14:52.54 | wols_ | !tell wrksx about fr |
| 14:53.26 | wrksx | wols_ ok thx |
| 14:53.53 | wols_ | wrksx: short answer: it uses hashes to avoid naming collisions, hence the "hash" in the name |
| 14:54.03 | the_sniff | wols_: how i it that my mdadm.conf file was empty and the systam was able to boot? |
| 14:54.13 | the_sniff | i ran a mkconf on the config file |
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| 14:54.17 | wols_ | the_sniff: no clue |
| 14:54.20 | the_sniff | could it be i fscked it up? :p |
| 14:54.31 | the_sniff | is it possible that lvm defined the md array? |
| 14:54.35 | wols_ | the_sniff: probably :P |
| 14:54.55 | the_sniff | so if u use lvm u dont need mdadm? |
| 14:54.57 | simonrvn | it scanned the drives for mdraid stuffs |
| 14:55.14 | simonrvn | check your dmesg |
| 14:55.19 | abrotman | the_sniff: they do different things |
| 14:55.35 | wrksx | wols_, ok thank you again. Do you know why naming collision may apear ? I don't quite understand it. Maybe I should ask on #httpd ? |
| 14:55.48 | the_sniff | abrotman yeah i know but i thought it was working with mdadm or w/e |
| 14:55.51 | the_sniff | simonrvn so it was an auto scan? |
| 14:56.09 | wols_ | wrksx: "It use the servername extract from the HTTP request to build a path to the real document root. It build a digest based on the servername |
| 14:56.32 | wols_ | that's why it could collide. it uses the http request string to automatically build a path from that |
| 14:58.09 | tuv | hoho.. the list of merged bugs is getting longer: bug 583592 |
| 14:58.54 | wrksx | wols_, ok, I don"t quite understand neither, but thanks for your time. I'll use it anyway since the non hash version isn't available. |
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| 15:02.14 | xy | can i be a part of debian mailing list, if so, how ? |
| 15:02.42 | abrotman | xy: lists.debian.org .. sign up |
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| 15:04.45 | bgy | hi |
| 15:05.37 | bgy | i tryed to install a package with apt-get install vim-full, but it asks me to install more than 70 others packages, i'd like to only install vim-full, and I don't think it depends on so many packages |
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| 15:07.27 | aburch | bgy: APT installs Recommends by default. Try aptitude --without-recommends install $foo, you can also set this as default (man aptitude). |
| 15:08.08 | gumbox | I've created a Debian live thing on a USB... but what's the name and password to login after booting? |
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| 15:09.04 | \amethyst | vim-gnome in sid recursively depends on over 200 packages |
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| 15:09.35 | \amethyst | I'm guessing it's similar in lenny, but I don't have any lenny boxes with apt-rdepends at the moment |
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| 15:10.57 | Rebells | is there a possibility of installing KDE 4 on debian lenny? |
| 15:11.17 | abrotman | not unless you want to compile it |
| 15:11.50 | Rebells | oh ok |
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| 15:12.00 | OpenTokix | Seems to be availible in testing? |
| 15:12.03 | OpenTokix | http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/ |
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| 15:14.30 | Rebells | what happens when you mix packages from debian testing? |
| 15:15.54 | OpenTokix | Rebells: You can do something called apt-pinning, its explained in the debian wiki. |
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| 15:16.41 | Rebells | ok cool |
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| 15:17.33 | Rebells | also I don't want to disturb my current KDE 3.5 as well, will the new KDE 4 disrupt the ~/.kde directory? Or it uses a separate one like say ~/.kde4? |
| 15:18.25 | Rebells | Or should I dedicate a new uses just for KDE 4? |
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| 15:20.31 | jinnstar | if I drop into init 3 for a dist-upgrade, then forget to to init 5 && exit, if a user does startx does that effectively put the system into init 5? |
| 15:21.04 | jelly-home | jinnstar: debian doesn't use runlevels like that |
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| 15:21.49 | jelly-home | jinnstar: 2-5 are all the same by default |
| 15:22.40 | Bushmills | jinnstar: startx does that, starting X. telinit, in turn, changes run level. |
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| 15:23.05 | jinnstar | jelly-home: if they are the same then what is the purpose in switching to do dist-upgrades? mind you I'm using sidux. |
| 15:23.27 | jinnstar | ah so primarily this is just so that I"m not running X during the upgrades? |
| 15:23.30 | jelly-home | jinnstar: there _is_ no point, In Debian |
| 15:23.38 | spersaud | so if you combine stable + testing there's 2067 bugs ? |
| 15:24.05 | Bushmills | startx doesn't change runlevel just as much as it connects you to internet or backups your hard disk |
| 15:24.07 | spersaud | stable has 1081 .. hehe ... quite a lot, |
| 15:24.36 | MeglaW | its a feature not a bug.. |
| 15:24.43 | Bushmills | jinnstar: under what distribution? |
| 15:24.50 | jelly-home | jinnstar: sidux is sidux, not Debian; they may have different usage of runlevels |
| 15:24.57 | jelly-home | !sidux |
| 15:24.58 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, sidux is a live distribution <based on Debian> Sid, with a special focus on clean and easy hard disk installation. It is <OT> in #debian. Please /join #sidux on irc.oftc.net. |
| 15:24.59 | jinnstar | sidux aka debian sid. |
| 15:25.09 | simonrvn | not aka |
| 15:25.14 | jinnstar | understood. |
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| 15:26.56 | Bushmills | jinnstar: saying "sidux aka sid" als means "your observation of runlevel 3 for dist-upgrade is wrong, because sid doesn't do that, and you need a pair of glasses" |
| 15:27.33 | jinnstar | Bushmills: I get the point no need to be nasty. |
| 15:28.01 | simonrvn | he did say "understood." |
| 15:29.14 | labirinto1234 | i installed squirrelmail it's seems to work but when i try login i recive this error ERROR: Connection dropped by IMAP server. |
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| 15:30.04 | Bushmills | look at imap server log, for a reason why it was dropped |
| 15:30.47 | labirinto1234 | ok where i can find it? |
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| 15:30.59 | laurus | When I type 'groups' I see just my username. However when I type 'groups myusername' I see: myusername vcs. What's the difference between these two commands? |
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| 15:31.15 | Bushmills | difficult to say, without even knowing what imap server you are using |
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| 15:31.42 | Caelum | pianobar is cool, but wish it had a curses UI or something |
| 15:31.50 | labirinto1234 | courrier |
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| 15:32.53 | eikenberry | laurus. 'groups' by itself gives groups for current process. Where 'groups username' gives all the groups in the groups database. |
| 15:33.09 | laurus | eikenberry, what do you mean by the current process? |
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| 15:34.10 | laurus | My problem is that I'm trying to write to a directory that has g+w permissions on it, and I am listed as a member of that group when I run 'groups myusername'. |
| 15:34.18 | laurus | The problem is it says "permission denied." |
| 15:34.29 | laurus | However when I run groups I just see 'myusername' so I thought the problem might be related to that. |
| 15:35.20 | laurus | Any thoughts? |
| 15:35.35 | eikenberry | laurus. Did you just add yourself to that group? |
| 15:35.39 | laurus | eikenberry, yes. |
| 15:35.44 | eikenberry | You need to logout and back in. |
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| 15:35.48 | laurus | Ah! |
| 15:35.53 | laurus | That's the ticket :P Haha! |
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| 15:36.23 | laurus | Thanks eikenberry! :) |
| 15:36.27 | eikenberry | np |
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| 15:44.24 | docgnome | trying to install debian on a box with a broadcom nic that requires tg3. It keeps telling me no ethernet card is detected and asking me to select a driver. I select the tg3 driver and it just prompts me to select a driver again |
| 15:45.48 | wols_ | docgnome: lenny or squeeze? |
| 15:46.45 | docgnome | lenny |
| 15:46.50 | bgy | thank you aburch |
| 15:46.54 | docgnome | i'm going to try to upgrade to squeeze though |
| 15:47.00 | docgnome | i tried a testing cd and get the same thing |
| 15:47.13 | docgnome | i even tried those cds with extra firmware |
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| 15:47.37 | wols_ | what tg3 adapter is it? PCI ID? |
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| 15:49.07 | docgnome | it's a BCM57780 |
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| 15:50.03 | docgnome | i know it works cause ubuntu picked it right up when i had that installed. |
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| 15:50.42 | wols_ | check lspci for PCI ID and dmesg output for error messages |
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| 15:51.51 | docgnome | lspci reports 02:00.0 Ethernet controller: Broadcom Corporation Device 1692 (rev 01) |
| 15:52.29 | docgnome | nothing in dmesg about it |
| 15:52.55 | cahoot | docgnome: lspci -nn to get its pciid |
| 15:53.08 | docgnome | ah |
| 15:53.20 | docgnome | 14e4:1692 |
| 15:53.33 | cahoot | ,pciid 14e4:1692 |
| 15:53.36 | judd | [14e4:1692] is 'NetLink BCM57780 Gigabit Ethernet PCIe' from 'Broadcom Corporation' with no known kernel module in lenny but has kernel module 'tg3' in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=14e4:1692 |
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| 15:53.45 | wols_ | if you modprobe tg3 there should be something in dmesg about it |
| 15:54.04 | wols_ | so for this NIC you need at least a kmuto installer |
| 15:54.19 | docgnome | yeah i tried one of those cds |
| 15:54.28 | docgnome | maybe the wrong one though |
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| 15:54.58 | docgnome | http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ one of these i mean |
| 15:55.06 | rozie | docgnome: you can install Debian from any distro wich have debootstrap |
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| 15:56.56 | docgnome | i'm not really sure which one i need |
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| 15:57.23 | docgnome | just try them i guess. i'm pretty sure the 0116 disk did the same thing to me |
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| 16:00.52 | guysoft42 | hi all, what does the warning "r8192s_usb: module is from the staging directory, the quality is unknown, you have been warned" warning me about? |
| 16:00.59 | Caelum | anyone know how to add custom xsessions to the gdm menu? |
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| 16:04.01 | Bushmills | gdmsetup should do |
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| 16:04.13 | cahoot | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:04.59 | ewindisch | Caelum, look in /usr/share/xsessions/ |
| 16:05.03 | acu | I am using qemu-kvm and virt-manager in Debian Squeeze and I get Unable to open a connection to the libvirt management daemon. |
| 16:05.11 | ewindisch | create a new .desktop file for the session you want to create |
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| 16:06.09 | tharkun | themill: dpkg is not asnwering queries if i am not inside #debian judd is. Which one of the two is having the right behaviour? |
| 16:06.11 | Caelum | ewindisch: so ~/.desktop/session-name ? |
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| 16:07.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | guysoft42, did you google for the error (without the driver name)? Didn't you end up e.g. here? https://lwn.net/Articles/359208/ |
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| 16:07.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | tharkun, what is the right beverage, coffee or tea? |
| 16:07.54 | guysoft42 | CutMeOwnThroat, ok, i see, thanks |
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| 16:08.31 | wrksx | what's the problem with apache2 -M in debian ? |
| 16:08.55 | wrksx | sudo apache2 -M |
| 16:09.58 | wrksx | apache2: bad user name ${APACHE_RUN_USER} |
| 16:09.58 | guysoft42 | still trying to find how it could be in staging, the card came with a driver from 08/25/2009 |
| 16:09.58 | tharkun | CutMeOwnThroat: Since themill kindly pointed me to judd as a consulting bot, and from experience i know dpkg. As a courtesy to themill i am reporting what i have found. No one is perfect. The manteiner of either bot should do something about it. |
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| 16:10.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | tharkun, I think one difference is that you can modify dpkg factoids while you can only query judd... |
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| 16:11.39 | tharkun | CutMeOwnThroat: thx I didn't know that fact about dpkg |
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| 16:12.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | anyway, seems to me both variants work in the general case... |
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| 16:12.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | are you registered with nickserv? I think you can /msg dpkg when you're registered but not in #d (but I never tried) |
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| 16:13.34 | tharkun | No, not yet got to fix a nick per network isue i have |
| 16:14.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | tharkun, anyway, whatever limits there are, they are probably there to discourage abuse/destructive behavior (not that they'd very effectively do that) |
| 16:14.20 | Caelum | ewindisch: oh I see, a foo.desktop in /usr/share/xsessions |
| 16:15.04 | docgnome | ok, so i'm at least getting an error out of dmesg now. eth%d: No PHY devices |
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| 16:16.41 | Caelum | ewindisch: thank you |
| 16:16.47 | docgnome | i've seen it suggested as a work around to load the broadcom module and then the tg3 module |
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| 16:16.52 | _L30_ | i am downloading the CD-1 from the iso list |
| 16:16.53 | docgnome | problem is, i don't have a broadcom module |
| 16:16.55 | tharkun | CutMeOwnThroat: Well vandalizing dpkg might be a revenge act by someone banned from #d. |
| 16:17.07 | _L30_ | so what platform does it mean KDE or Gnome? |
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| 16:18.32 | docgnome | is there a disk with broadcom module on it? |
| 16:18.41 | tharkun | Anyone knows of a passive network mapping program? |
| 16:18.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | guysoft42, if you read that article, they're also putting drivers in that are phased out |
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| 16:19.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | nmap with the right options, I think |
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| 16:20.58 | tharkun | CutMeOwnThroat: nmap will activate every kind of alarm the current sisadmin has. I don't want her to have a heart attack :) |
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| 16:21.31 | docgnome | hrm... looks like my problem is fixed in 2.6.32-11 |
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| 16:23.19 | tharkun | CutMeOwnThroat: would Idle scan mean the same thing as Passive scan? |
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| 16:24.30 | _L30_ | tharkun: nmap |
| 16:24.53 | _L30_ | i am downloading the CD-1 from the iso list so what platform does it mean KDE or Gnome? |
| 16:25.12 | docgnome | _L30_: Gnome is the default desktop |
| 16:25.26 | _L30_ | ok docgnome |
| 16:25.32 | tharkun | _L30_: would Idle scan mean the same thing as Passive scan as per nmap man page? |
| 16:25.41 | wrksx | wrksx> sudo apache2 -M |
| 16:25.41 | wrksx | <wrksx> apache2: bad user name ${APACHE_RUN_USER} |
| 16:25.46 | wrksx | sthing about that ? |
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| 16:25.54 | Posterdati | hi |
| 16:25.56 | _L30_ | yes tharkun |
| 16:26.19 | tharkun | thx |
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| 16:26.37 | Posterdati | please I'm trying to implement a xmodem receiver, but I've got problem with data coming out from minicom (xmodem). Is there anyone that could help me please? Tx |
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| 16:27.11 | docgnome | anyone know of any kmuto disks based on testing instead of stable? |
| 16:27.18 | _L30_ | docgnome: the big list of iso's confuses me n on other side just to have my own options i found netinst takes a lot of time with my internet so going with the first iso in the CD image page |
| 16:27.46 | docgnome | _L30_: the big list of isos are just so you can install debian with out a network connection and still get a bunch of packages |
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| 16:28.30 | _L30_ | there is no content list given along with them |
| 16:28.39 | tharkun | _L30_: as docgnome stated. You either download first install later or downlad while you are installing. Actually you will have to download sometime |
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| 16:30.31 | gps23 | in debian repos are OOo and OOo2 same thing? i try to install openoffice.org2 aptitude shows me note that its going to install openoffice.org instead. |
| 16:30.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | tharkun, perhaps I'm mistaken... I thought there was some option to be passive (actually I still do) but I can't find it either |
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| 16:31.10 | tharkun | CutMeOwnThroat: -sI <zombie host[:probeport]>: Idle scan |
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| 16:31.34 | gps23 | but OOo's version is 1:3.2.0-9, and i want OOo2 |
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| 16:33.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | tharkun, but if you !search for it, you'll find e.g. nwatch, pads, p0f |
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| 16:35.32 | wols_ | gps23: get it from an old version of debian then |
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| 16:36.10 | gps23 | wols_: i didn't got. why from old version? |
| 16:37.46 | wols_ | cause openoffice 2.x is very old and outdated |
| 16:38.37 | jelly-hme | ,versions openoffice.org |
| 16:38.38 | judd | openoffice.org -- etch: 2.0.4.dfsg.2-7etch9; etch-security: 2.0.4.dfsg.2-7etch9; etch-backports: 1:2.4.1-12~bpo40+1; lenny: 1:2.4.1+dfsg-1+lenny3; lenny-security: 1:2.4.1+dfsg-1+lenny6; squeeze-security: 1:3.1.1-15+squeeze1; lenny-backports: 1:3.2.0-4~bpo50+1; squeeze: 1:3.2.0-9; sid: 1:3.2.0-10; experimental: 1:3.2.1~rc2-2 |
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| 16:39.00 | jelly-hme | wols_: it's new enough for the latest Debian release! |
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| 16:39.18 | gps23 | i have squeeze, why is squeeze version older than etch's? |
| 16:39.34 | wols_ | jelly-hme: sorry. I should have said "very VERY old, so prehistoric it can't even run on a buyable CPU anymore" |
| 16:39.41 | wols_ | will do that next time |
| 16:40.04 | jelly-hme | wols_: are you implying debian stable ships with unusable software?!? |
| 16:40.07 | wols_ | gps23: when you want to run testing you should be capable of reading versions numbers... |
| 16:40.31 | gps23 | wols_: i didn't knew that |
| 16:40.31 | wols_ | jelly-hme: never! just keep a few Z80A handy |
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| 16:41.45 | badcloud | best way to merge two '.reminder' text files? I want the changes to be inserted in chronological placement |
| 16:43.22 | wols_ | badcloud: I suggest to ask whoever wrote the software that uses .reminders files. better chance of an answer |
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| 16:43.50 | badcloud | wols_: I'll do that. thanks for the idea |
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| 16:47.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | could be as simple as "cat .reminder1 .reminder2 > .reminder"... but how should we know as we have no idea what a .reminder file is |
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| 16:48.35 | cahoot | ..and sort the result? |
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| 16:56.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | cahoot, that might not be a good idea if entries span multiple lines (which again, we don't know) |
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| 16:57.05 | cahoot | hmm a reminder can't possibly be multilne ;) |
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| 16:59.17 | Elshar | I'm getting a "mount: File too large" when I try to mount a lvm volume. Is there any way to get the details of the ext4 volume (I know how to see the various lvm stats)? a fsck just ran fine without any problems on it, just can't seem to mount it. |
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| 17:01.03 | msm_ | hi I am trying to create usb flash pen drive with install using http://blogs.koolwal.net/2009/02/25/installing-linux-on-usb-part-7-install-debian-linux-from-usb-drive/ |
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| 17:01.25 | jpinx-eeepc | !install |
| 17:01.25 | dpkg | There are a myriad different ways to install Debian. See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer for a list of images. Ask me about <install guide> and <d-i> for detailed instructions. (If you've never installed Debian before, you should read the install guide.) |
| 17:01.38 | karlpinc | msm_: You might try following the instructions in the installation guide. |
| 17:01.43 | jpinx-eeepc | msm_: ââ |
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| 17:01.52 | msm_ | I dont have linux so I tried those instructions using opensolaris but forgot to unplug an replug. |
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| 17:02.00 | jpinx-eeepc | msm_: you might be following a bad set of instructions |
| 17:02.06 | msm_ | guys I have installed debian in past but this time I dont have |
| 17:02.16 | msm_ | http://blogs.koolwal.net/2009/02/25/installing-linux-on-usb-part-7-install-debian-linux-from-usb-drive/ |
| 17:02.51 | jpinx-eeepc | msm_: go to the installation gguide in debian.org |
| 17:02.52 | msm_ | any ways situation now is i can open the pen drive on win xp |
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| 17:03.12 | msm_ | does it have instructions to create it from winxp ? |
| 17:03.51 | jpinx-eeepc | msm_: yes - go and read it |
| 17:04.01 | msm_ | ok thanks |
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| 17:09.00 | amee2k | is there some way to set up a fake dvd recorder that will produce image files when written to? |
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| 17:09.36 | TomyLobo | hi |
| 17:09.46 | amee2k | i have a bunch of images in a strange format. they come as two files, one large without ending, the other small with the ending .toc |
| 17:09.54 | TomyLobo | is there anything in aptitude indicating "package is installed, but no longer part of the repository" |
| 17:10.05 | amee2k | despite the ending, only brasero seems to be able to read them |
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| 17:10.14 | dkr | amee2k: mkfifo fakedvr; cat video.mpg > fakedvr |
| 17:10.34 | dkr | oops, "written to"? |
| 17:10.41 | amee2k | yeah |
| 17:10.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | Elshar, that doesn't sound right... mount is not dealing with files |
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| 17:11.19 | amee2k | dkr: i need it to look like a real recorder. brasero is the only program that seems to accept them. and i can't use its "image recorder" option if the source is an image already. its just greyed out |
| 17:11.37 | dkr | amee2k: perhaps use mencoder to convert he series of images into a video? |
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| 17:11.52 | amee2k | ummm |
| 17:11.56 | tharkun | CutMeOwnThroat: as of #nmap it only does Active Scans |
| 17:11.59 | cahoot | images != pictures? |
| 17:12.00 | amee2k | image as in disk image ;) |
| 17:12.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | TomyLobo, look at apt-show-versions |
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| 17:13.05 | dkr | ah, my caffeine hasn't kicked in yet, :) |
| 17:13.50 | amee2k | i tried using the toc2cue tool from the cdrdao package but it fails at parsing the toc file. not even cdrdao itself accepts them |
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| 17:14.29 | acidchild | regional settings? ;/ |
| 17:14.30 | amee2k | and file only identifes them as "data" |
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| 17:15.46 | amee2k | when i pulled the image i used brasero on a system that was set to en_us.UTF8 same as this one |
| 17:16.24 | amee2k | now i want to extract the ISO tracks from it so i can mount/unpack it |
| 17:16.53 | msm_ | fdisk on solaris is unable to create a partition on usb |
| 17:17.21 | amee2k | looks at msm_ |
| 17:17.21 | msm_ | I am thinking to wipe out info on usb and reformat to fat32 and again follow instructions on that url |
| 17:17.28 | amee2k | thanks for reminding me of the S word :X |
| 17:18.35 | jpinx-eeepc | msm_: if you don't follow the official guide - don't expect much help ;) |
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| 17:26.44 | baraka84 | instead to use (hd0,0) can i insert root UUID in the menu.lst??? |
| 17:27.54 | wols_ | baraka84: no. grub doesn't know about UUID |
| 17:28.20 | JyZyXEL | grub2 is the one that does |
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| 17:31.37 | baraka84 | because everytime i switch on pc, menu.lst has different root |
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| 17:32.08 | jhutchins_lt | JyZyXEL: Pretty sure grub 0 does UUID too. |
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| 17:33.12 | baraka84 | when i turned off pc menu.lst has root (hd0,0), now root (hd1,0) why?? |
| 17:34.07 | jhutchins_lt | wols_: Are you sure? Pretty sure the RH line has been using UUID for years now. |
| 17:34.27 | baraka84 | *had |
| 17:34.37 | JyZyXEL | baraka84: maybe you have a USB storage device connected? |
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| 17:34.56 | baraka84 | noo, it's sata disk |
| 17:35.40 | JyZyXEL | it? |
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| 17:36.31 | baraka84 | i have not usb storage connected |
| 17:37.05 | jhutchins_lt | I may be thinking of fstab or the root statement as opposed to the kernel statement. I usually convert any UUID setups to /dev. |
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| 17:38.09 | baraka84 | my /etc/fstab doesn't use uuid |
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| 17:39.02 | baraka84 | i can't use a live cd to modify menu.lst forever, it's very annoying |
| 17:40.17 | jordanm | baraka84: you can modify menu.lst from the grub menu for a temporary boot. what version of debian? |
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| 17:40.37 | abrotman | he modify grub at the grub prompt |
| 17:40.49 | baraka84 | debian 5.0.4 |
| 17:41.13 | abrotman | erm .. he can modify |
| 17:41.26 | jhutchins_lt | Looks like either grub still requires (hd#,#) for the kernel statement, but either can take UUID for the root= statement. |
| 17:41.51 | rozie | but he doesn't know which drive is which at this moment |
| 17:42.01 | jordanm | baraka84: grep 'groot' /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 17:42.40 | JyZyXEL | grub2 doesn't require any hd(?,?) references |
| 17:43.12 | jordanm | no idea, its not commonly used in stable |
| 17:43.26 | abrotman | i use it on stable |
| 17:43.38 | JyZyXEL | i think the installer these days asks if you want grub2 or grub-legacy |
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| 17:43.41 | abrotman | i only have one grub1 box left |
| 17:43.47 | guysoft42 | ok, strange i am getting /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.32-5-common/config: No such file or directory |
| 17:43.57 | jordanm | abrotman: have you been reading the grub2 thread on debian-devel? |
| 17:43.58 | msm_ | hi the debian install prep on USB does not show how to prepare on xp |
| 17:44.05 | guysoft42 | might anyone know why i would get that compile error for a kernel? i have the headers installed |
| 17:44.11 | abrotman | jordanm: i try not to .. they scare me :) |
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| 17:44.31 | abrotman | JyZyXEL: all my HDD references are in UUID on stable |
| 17:44.32 | msm_ | I dont have linux to prepare USB install. I have XP and opensolaris only. |
| 17:44.59 | JyZyXEL | UUID references are very handy |
| 17:45.05 | msm_ | any one know how to prepare usb pen install drive using xp or opensolaris ? |
| 17:45.06 | rozie | abrotman: can you paste your menu.lst on pastebin? |
| 17:45.10 | jordanm | abrotman: grub2 aparently fails in many scenerios... and there is talk of a squeeze release without an alternative bootloader |
| 17:45.26 | abrotman | jordanm: to be fair .. lilo and grub failed in many scenarios :) |
| 17:45.36 | abrotman | rozie: what do you want to know? |
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| 17:45.56 | jordanm | abrotman: yes, but people who are already running lilo and grub and it works for their scenerio will be forced into a migration to grub2 |
| 17:46.07 | abrotman | jordanm: forced by what means? |
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| 17:46.22 | rozie | abrotman: sorry, I ment baraka84 |
| 17:46.27 | abrotman | okay! |
| 17:46.38 | JyZyXEL | well one thing i know that isn't supported by grub2 is multi booting with truecrypted windows |
| 17:47.07 | abrotman | would imagine if truecrypt cared, they would contribute to grub |
| 17:47.15 | jordanm | abrotman: by it being the only thing available... the kernel postinst scripts expect to update a bootloader configuration |
| 17:47.19 | JyZyXEL | its truecrypts fault thats true |
| 17:47.19 | rozie | tbh, I think I have the same problem with grub (but I have USB devices) |
| 17:47.37 | jordanm | abrotman: "forced without nasty hacking". better? :) |
| 17:47.37 | rozie | one is pendrive with /, and the other is 2,5" disk |
| 17:47.41 | abrotman | jordanm: but i see lilo still in testing/unstable |
| 17:47.58 | rozie | and last time machine started to work after 3 restarts |
| 17:48.02 | msm_ | any one know how to create USB pen drive with install media for debian using win xp or opensolaris. I can download the boo image and iso image but now how to prepare the usb pen drive using xp or opensolaris ? |
| 17:48.08 | jordanm | abrotman: yes, but they are saying that it will not boot the squeeze kernel, due to the size of the kernel, so it looking to get dropped |
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| 17:48.25 | abrotman | oh .. yeah .. i forgot about that .. |
| 17:48.36 | abrotman | msm_: why can't you do it on solaris ? |
| 17:48.49 | rozie | but eariel it seemed to work, so maybe somthing else happened there |
| 17:49.18 | rozie | someone else restarted machine, it's 250 km from me |
| 17:49.48 | msm_ | abrotman: I tried zcat of boot image and it even wrote to USB. Now if I unplug the usb pen drive and plug it in ...open solaris does not automatically mount as it did earlier |
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| 17:50.28 | msm_ | abrotman: xp is able to open the pen drive on plug in and show iso file...I was hoping to mount it and see files in the iso image.... |
| 17:51.08 | msm_ | abrotman: I guess I should see that...on opensolaris it says on mount that /dev/dsk/c11t0d0p0 is not this fstype. |
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| 17:51.35 | msm_ | abrotman: it seems opensolaris is unable to understand after boot image write to usb pen drive. |
| 17:51.48 | abrotman | msm_: it's probably not .. it may not understand the filesystem .. that doesn't mean it's unbootable |
| 17:52.10 | jordanm | doesn't it use ext2? |
| 17:52.17 | jordanm | !usb install |
| 17:52.17 | dpkg | Yes, it is possible to install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03 . To download USB stick images, ask me about <install debian>. https://launchpad.net/win32-image-writer/+download to prepare from Windows. BIOS can't boot from USB? Use http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html |
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| 17:52.54 | jordanm | ah, no FAT |
| 17:52.57 | tuv | a new version was just accepted into unstable with priority 'high'. how long before it makes it into testing? |
| 17:53.06 | jordanm | msm_: you may need whatever solaris uses to read FAT |
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| 17:53.23 | jordanm | tuv: minimum of 10 days |
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| 17:53.42 | tuv | jordanm: so what's the significance of the priority? |
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| 17:54.09 | themill | tuv: "high" -- 2 days. |
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| 17:54.25 | tuv | themill: oh that's great news |
| 17:54.33 | jordanm | tuv: sorry, I passed along incorrect info |
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| 17:54.35 | msm_ | abrotman: sorry I mixed things up...actually I just put boot image. Now I need to copy the business card iso. |
| 17:54.36 | themill | tuv: which package? |
| 17:54.47 | tuv | themill: e2fsprogs |
| 17:54.55 | themill | quickly files an RC bug |
| 17:55.04 | abrotman | heh |
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| 17:55.09 | abrotman | themill: that's to fix an RC bug :) |
| 17:55.18 | msm_ | abrotman: I need to mount the usb after putting boot image.... |
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| 17:55.25 | themill | quickly files 2 RC bugs |
| 17:55.43 | tuv | themill: you can't create any ext[234] fs in squeeze right now |
| 17:55.50 | themill | excellent |
| 17:55.58 | abrotman | quick, everybody on hfs+! |
| 17:55.59 | jimcooncat | wishes they'd quit doing that -- we need to have a release someday |
| 17:56.04 | msm_ | abrotman: see this article...http://blogs.koolwal.net/2009/02/25/installing-linux-on-usb-part-7-install-debian-linux-from-usb-drive/ |
| 17:56.18 | themill | tuv: but note that the way "2 days" is counted you might find that it's 3 before it migrates and then a bit longer before it hits the mirrors |
| 17:56.20 | tuv | themill: what fs do you use? |
| 17:56.26 | themill | ext3 |
| 17:56.42 | abrotman | msm_: right ... |
| 17:56.46 | themill | tuv: your irc client seems to filter the <sarcasm> tags. |
| 17:56.48 | msm_ | abrotman: it states to try mount the usb after boot image is copied to usb pen drive....so I am trying that... |
| 17:57.11 | tuv | themill: huh? |
| 17:57.35 | msm_ | abrotman: it where i am lost...and i dont know how to do those instructinos in xp |
| 17:57.47 | abrotman | those are linux instructions |
| 17:57.47 | msm_ | abrotman: so I am thought to try them on opensolaris... |
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| 17:58.13 | jordanm | really, they should be *nix instructions since dd is what is required |
| 17:58.18 | themill | tuv: don't worry... :) |
| 17:58.49 | tuv | themill: sorry. just woke up. so a bit slow ;) |
| 17:59.02 | msm_ | abrotman, jordanm: solaris wrote it fine but its then unable to mount it.... |
| 17:59.15 | tuv | themill: i keep my irc client next to my bed |
| 17:59.16 | guysoft42 | anyone ever got something like this: /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.32-5-common/config: No such file or directory |
| 17:59.23 | themill | tuv: TMI |
| 17:59.35 | msm_ | so if we know what fstype to pass to mount command may be it can mount it... |
| 17:59.37 | msm_ | any clue ? |
| 17:59.39 | jordanm | msm_: ask the solaris channel how to mount a FAT partition |
| 18:00.04 | jordanm | !tell guysoft42 about apt-file |
| 18:00.08 | tuv | themill: you think it got jealous?! |
| 18:00.24 | guysoft42 | jordanm, already did.. nothing.. |
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| 18:00.34 | jordanm | guysoft42: then it doesn't belong to a package |
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| 18:00.44 | abrotman | msm_: so just folow the instructions? |
| 18:01.01 | msm_ | jordanm: earlier it was fat32 ...then I zcat the boot image....now it still is fat32...but solaris cannot mount it... |
| 18:01.14 | guysoft42 | jordanm, running apt-file update just in case.. but it does not mean its not generated from something |
| 18:01.58 | guysoft42 | jordanm, logically it should be part of linux-header packages. but its not |
| 18:02.01 | jordanm | msm_: ask the solaris channel how to mount a FAT partition like I said a min ago |
| 18:02.08 | abrotman | msm_: use a pastebin to show us the error in opensolaris when you try to mount the usb drive |
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| 18:02.11 | msm_ | cool I can mount it now |
| 18:02.13 | msm_ | I see things... |
| 18:02.19 | abrotman | or nevermind |
| 18:02.21 | msm_ | I will not go and do next steps... |
| 18:02.34 | jordanm | guysoft42: what are you trying to do? |
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| 18:04.14 | guysoft42 | jordanm, compile a kernel driver for RTL8188S wlan driver |
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| 18:04.43 | guysoft42 | jordanm, the one in the current kernel is not working.. its in the staging directory |
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| 18:05.19 | jordanm | !rtl8188su |
| 18:05.19 | dpkg | [rtl8192su] r8192s_usb is a module produced by the rtl8192su staging driver, supporting Realtek RTL8188SU, RTL8191S, RTL8192SU and RTL8192U 802.11n USB wireless LAN chipsets. Enabled in linux-2.6 2.6.32-10 (x86 architectures only). Firmware is required (RTL8192SU/rtl8192sfw.bin), ask me about <realtek firmware> to provide. For support of other Realtek 802.11n devices, ask about <rtl819x>. http://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x |
| 18:05.26 | jordanm | guysoft42: the one in the .32 kernel? |
| 18:05.41 | guysoft42 | yep |
| 18:05.51 | guysoft42 | jordanm, 2.6.32-5 here |
| 18:05.56 | jordanm | ,kernels |
| 18:05.59 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.34-1-686 (2.6.34-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-15); squeeze: 2.6.32-3-686 (2.6.32-9); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.4-686 (2.6.32-11~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-22lenny1); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
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| 18:06.15 | guysoft42 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:06.17 | jordanm | guysoft42: did you try the experimental kernel? |
| 18:06.31 | guysoft42 | jordanm, no, but i rather be stable.. |
| 18:06.39 | guysoft42 | jordanm, well sid anyway |
| 18:06.45 | jordanm | guysoft42: your running sid, you are well passed that |
| 18:06.46 | abrotman | so would i .. i blame genetics |
| 18:06.48 | jordanm | you're |
| 18:07.02 | tharkun | Where is the fqdn of a machine stored? |
| 18:07.11 | jordanm | tharkun: /etc/hosts /etc/mailname |
| 18:07.24 | guysoft42 | jordanm, yes , it was a figure of speech.. :) |
| 18:07.53 | guysoft42 | jordanm, googling i saw suggestions to reinstall the headers, that did not help |
| 18:08.43 | jordanm | guysoft42: if you test the experiemental kernel you may be able to provide useful feedback to the kernel team about your device. surely you don't run sid just for fun? |
| 18:09.26 | msm_ | hi I am able to now try install on hp mini nr 1030 ...its at screen to choose ethernet...since it cannot detect one...what drive to choose ? |
| 18:09.32 | guysoft42 | jordanm, ok, ill install it, but not reboot right away |
| 18:09.55 | jordanm | guysoft42: you can alway boot into the older kernel that you know works, as long as you don't remove it |
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| 18:10.26 | guysoft42 | jordanm, i know. i did kernel compiles etc.. |
| 18:10.34 | guysoft42 | jordanm, just never did driver repairs |
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| 18:10.48 | guysoft42 | only blind patching |
| 18:11.09 | jordanm | msm_: your question is unclear. how is ethernet related to drives? |
| 18:11.20 | guysoft42 | jordanm, its a shame, its a neat little wlan card from deal extreme. i thought many people would have that by now |
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| 18:12.12 | jordanm | guysoft42: the rtl8187 is likely the popular chip due to the alfa wireless cards |
| 18:12.30 | guysoft42 | jordanm, the firmware from the old kernel packages clash :-/ |
| 18:12.40 | dkr | anyone happen to know how to add an alternate From: address in icedove without adding a whole new account? I use custom addresses for each thing I sign up for e.g. google@mydomain and amazon@mydomain but this one site is being annoying about refusing to accept a reply from dkr@mydomain since they sent it to foo@mydomain |
| 18:12.47 | msm_ | drivers I meant |
| 18:12.48 | guysoft42 | jordanm, yes, but this one has N draft specs |
| 18:13.02 | msm_ | jordanm: I meant what ethernet driver to choose ? |
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| 18:13.24 | msm_ | on hp mini 1030 nr product spec it says intel integrated ethernet... |
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| 18:14.57 | msm_ | Integrated 10/100 Ethernet LAN |
| 18:15.02 | msm_ | http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?docname=c01600627&cc=us&dlc=en&lc=en |
| 18:15.28 | jordanm | how do you get the option to choose if nothing was detected? |
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| 18:15.53 | dkr | oh, duh, "manage identities" I'm blind |
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| 18:17.00 | jordanm | msm_: if the case is that your networking device is too new for the standard lenny installer, you will have to use the updated kmuto installer |
| 18:17.03 | jordanm | !kmuto |
| 18:17.04 | dpkg | For Debian Lenny installers with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ . The <bnx2> and <bnx2x> firmware files for Linux 2.6.32 are included in 0116 images. |
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| 18:18.05 | msm_ | jordanm: can one find out from internet what drivers others have been using ? |
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| 18:19.13 | webDev | okay...I downloaded the debian iso file and I want to install it from my USB stick, I formatted and partitioned it, made one partiton bootable, now I'm about to copy the iso image with dd to it. After that I need to install GRUB to the bootable partition or to MBR? |
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| 18:19.38 | jordanm | msm_: I can find it for you if you can get me the output from lscpi -nn |
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| 18:19.51 | jordanm | msm_: might be available on solarus, not sure |
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| 18:20.15 | jordanm | webDev: no, that is not correct. you do not dd the .iso, only the boot.gz |
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| 18:20.21 | jordanm | !tell webDev about usb install |
| 18:20.21 | wols_ | !tell webDev about usb install |
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| 18:20.27 | jordanm | wols_: I win! |
| 18:20.34 | msm_ | jordanm: how I am in install steps... |
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| 18:20.45 | webDev | wait a second :) |
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| 18:21.00 | webDev | so, where do I get thr boot.gz? |
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| 18:21.04 | webDev | *the |
| 18:21.19 | jordanm | webDev: read the section of the install guide that dpkg linked you to |
| 18:21.21 | tharkun | jordanm: it seems it is a combination of /etc/hosts with /etc/hostname |
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| 18:21.28 | wols_ | webDev: you start reading what dpkg messaged you. then you learn how to use a browser and type in a URL to said browser |
| 18:21.45 | jordanm | tharkun: unlike RHEL, /etc/hostname in debian only includes your hostname, not your FQDN |
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| 18:22.08 | webDev | wols_: no need to insult ;) |
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| 18:23.15 | msm_ | well I guess I will have to continue on it tomorrow.... |
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| 18:23.32 | trafg | How do I determine what process is causing high io load? I have 99% wa time. Iosat doesn't produce any process info |
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| 18:23.35 | jordanm | msm_: I would just try the kmuto image |
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| 18:23.45 | msm_ | ok |
| 18:23.51 | webDev | wols_: I didn't see the PM window, I'm new to IRC and this irssi is a bit confusing |
| 18:23.58 | jordanm | trafg: bootchart can do that |
| 18:24.09 | tharkun | On this particular machine there seems to be an inconsistency between hosts and hostnames, therefore causing an error |
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| 18:24.31 | jordanm | trafg: should be specific instructions in /usr/share/doc/bootchart/* for that kind of thing |
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| 18:24.52 | jordanm | tharkun: yes, your hostname needs to be in /etc/hosts |
| 18:25.01 | trafg | jordanm: bootchart seems overkill, anything else simpler? |
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| 18:25.13 | The_SNiFF | is there no docs for kernel functions? i cant seem to figure out of vfs_read is the regular read function |
| 18:25.15 | tharkun | jordanm: making hostname and hosts point to the same name, the isue was resolved. Thx |
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| 18:25.34 | jordanm | trafg: not that I know of |
| 18:25.40 | jordanm | ,depends bootchart |
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| 18:25.42 | judd | bootchart -- depends: lsb-base (>= 3.0-6), psmisc. |
| 18:25.42 | tharkun | Although the machine had to be rebooted. Any othe way to change the fqdn |
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| 18:25.52 | jordanm | trafg: depends are pretty light |
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| 18:26.15 | trafg | jordanm: it requires you to modify the kernel to boot their init |
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| 18:27.05 | jordanm | trafg: that is only if you want it to log booting, the instructions in the doc/ dir explain how to poll the machine at a given time |
| 18:27.26 | jordanm | trafg: its something like: bootchart start; sleep 10; bootchart stop |
| 18:27.52 | trafg | thanks |
| 18:28.03 | jordanm | note: the end file will not be written until bootchart stops |
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| 18:29.13 | jelly-hme | tharkun: has anyone pointed to "/msg dpkg hostname" yet? |
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| 18:29.26 | tharkun | jelly-hme: nop, i'll take a look thx |
| 18:29.41 | penrod | greetings: where can I find the "sarge" packages. I need to make changes to a debian server. As they are replacing the server in the next 6 weeks, I do not want to upgrade the dist. |
| 18:29.58 | abrotman | !tell penrod about archive |
| 18:30.00 | trafg | jordanm: where does it store the files |
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| 18:30.49 | penrod | abrotman : thanks kindly |
| 18:31.00 | jelly-hme | abrotman: funny how that factoid doesn't mention http://archive.debian.org/ at all (well, not directly) |
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| 18:31.36 | jelly-hme | ah. "ado" does |
| 18:31.53 | abrotman | jelly-hme: it does .. but not really .. i know what oyu mean |
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| 18:32.26 | tharkun | Is it part of the dhclient function to register within a dns, or is it part of the dhcpd on the server? |
| 18:32.47 | abrotman | the dhclient gets the dns from the dhcp server |
| 18:32.50 | abrotman | or can |
| 18:32.55 | abrotman | and usually does by default |
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| 18:34.06 | tharkun | hmm lets rephrase, dhclients register also on a dns server or the dhcpd registers the client with the dns server.? (Instead op pinging 10.0.0.1 you would ping foo.bar.local) |
| 18:34.32 | wols_ | tharkun: dhcpd generally. |
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| 18:34.51 | wols_ | dhclient tells dhcpd "Hi, I'm machine tharkun, give me an IP" |
| 18:34.59 | tharkun | goes to beat the crap out of windows dhcpd |
| 18:35.05 | wols_ | dhcpd hands out IP and sets a record with dns for "tharkun" |
| 18:35.25 | JyZyXEL | i think it asks for IP-address |
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| 18:36.41 | ponyofdeath | hi, guys how do i prevent udev from renaming my network interfaces? http://pastebin.com/ZinVn575 |
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| 18:37.16 | abrotman | !tell ponyofdeath about z25 |
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| 18:39.53 | ryanlin_ | i have a debian iso that's missing a nic driverf |
| 18:39.58 | ryanlin_ | driver* |
| 18:40.11 | ryanlin_ | is there any way i can "slipstream" the driver in to the debian iso? |
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| 18:40.14 | guysoft42 | yay got it |
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| 18:40.24 | guysoft42 | i think the firmware was worng, had to rmmod modprobe |
| 18:41.37 | ponyofdeath | abrotman: thanks its fine just renaming them to to name them something lik eth3_rename is not cool |
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| 18:42.04 | abrotman | ponyofdeath: stop adding so many NICs! |
| 18:42.30 | ponyofdeath | abrotman: haha :) need more powaaa |
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| 18:43.35 | JyZyXEL | team 4 nic's together to achieve the best possible latency on counter strike so you can get that extra advantage over others |
| 18:44.00 | wols_ | ryanlin_: what is the PCI ID of the device you miss a driver for? |
| 18:44.02 | JyZyXEL | anyways thats what the gamers do |
| 18:44.34 | wols_ | there is a reason why people think "gamers" are morons |
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| 18:46.02 | JyZyXEL | BUT they can totally pwn you in counter strike as long as the game is controller with a HID |
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| 18:49.38 | abrotman | JyZyXEL: that's .. dumb |
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| 18:51.28 | JyZyXEL | abrotman: maybe its funnier when your drunk |
| 18:51.55 | abrotman | you're |
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| 18:53.07 | JyZyXEL | holy cow i just noticed, Toy Story 3 is due June 18th |
| 18:53.09 | ryanlin_ | 5716 |
| 18:53.29 | ryanlin_ | it's a non-free driver from broadcom, it got taken out from the latest distro |
| 18:53.40 | dkr | uhm, this is quite annoying. I used icedove's "manage identities" option to add a new address, sent mail with the new identity address selected in From field, but it used my original account address in the actual mail From: field anyway... |
| 18:53.58 | ryanlin_ | trying to install debian on a dell poweredge m600 server |
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| 18:54.23 | abrotman | ryanlin_: it probably has firmware somewhere |
| 18:54.36 | abrotman | ryanlin_: lspci -nn | grep net .. give us the whole line |
| 18:55.11 | ryanlin_ | sure...one sec |
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| 18:55.28 | ryanlin_ | can i run that command even though debian is not installed? |
| 18:55.34 | ryanlin_ | this is a clean install |
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| 18:57.49 | rozie | ryanlin_: you need linux (can be live) to run this command |
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| 19:00.12 | ryanlin_ | ok..that will do..let me get it and i will report back |
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| 19:00.45 | omid8bimo | hey one simple but odd quetion. i was listening to music 2 hours ago with headphone, it was fine. now when i plug back the headphone to headphone jack of my latop |
| 19:00.52 | omid8bimo | no sound! |
| 19:01.11 | omid8bimo | when i unplug, sound is ok from speakers |
| 19:01.14 | omid8bimo | any idea? |
| 19:01.37 | omid8bimo | alsamixer says headphone is not muted! |
| 19:02.18 | Pnux | hey, im using fluxbox and i need to run vbox, but i cant find it on the menu.. i tried running it from a terminal, no luck, tried with alt+f2, no luck either.. any ideas? |
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| 19:04.01 | JyZyXEL | Pnux: you tried running it with what command? |
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| 19:05.00 | Pnux | JyZyXEL: i didnt get to try.. vb is auto completed to vbetool and vboxwebsrv (which isnt what i want), virtual autocompletes to nothing |
| 19:05.13 | omid8bimo | anyidea? |
| 19:05.14 | JyZyXEL | try Virtual |
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| 19:05.33 | JyZyXEL | it might autocomplete to VirtualBox ;) |
| 19:05.34 | Pnux | JyZyXEL: <facepalm> thanks |
| 19:05.46 | Pnux | in my defense, its Sun's fault |
| 19:06.21 | JyZyXEL | virtualbox-ose fixes that problem |
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| 19:07.32 | Pnux | JyZyXEL: i see, i thought i had that one.. thanks |
| 19:08.49 | cranvil | Pnux: most of the virtualbox command line tools start with VBox if i remember right |
| 19:09.05 | gusnan | I find some old documents regarding harddrives and partitions, saying that you cannot change the "inode size" without reformatting. Is this still valid? |
| 19:09.51 | omid8bimo | anyone? |
| 19:10.07 | Pnux | cranvil: yup, everything starts with VBox except for VirtualBox itself.. |
| 19:10.18 | Pnux | omid8bimo: test the headphones on a different device |
| 19:10.43 | dkr | doh, google apps mail quietly changes your from: field back. so it wasn't icedeove's fault that alternate identity feature seemed to not work |
| 19:10.54 | omid8bimo | Pnux: already done. headphones are fine. everything was working 2 hours ago |
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| 19:12.05 | jpinx-eeepc | omid8bimo: trouble with the headphones jack socket? |
| 19:12.18 | jpinx-eeepc | omid8bimo: test with another headset? |
| 19:12.19 | JyZyXEL | dkr: their smtp does that? |
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| 19:12.32 | omid8bimo | jpinx-eeepc: i dont think so. it was fine 2 hours ago. working. |
| 19:12.46 | jpinx-eeepc | omid8bimo: things break in 2 hours |
| 19:12.50 | omid8bimo | jpinx-eeepc: already tested with multiple headphones |
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| 19:13.01 | Pnux | omid8bimo: things always work fine, until they dont |
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| 19:13.15 | omid8bimo | jpinx-eeepc: i was thinking any plece it could be muted by mistake |
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| 19:13.18 | jpinx-eeepc | omid8bimo: alsamixer and put *everything* at max |
| 19:13.23 | Pnux | can be 3 seconds apart, or 10 years |
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| 19:14.03 | omid8bimo | jpinx-eeepc: i've checked alsamixer already. all channels are up and unmute |
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| 19:14.33 | jpinx-eeepc | !tell omid8bimo about alsa checklist |
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| 19:14.44 | dkr | JyZyXEL: I had to also setup the alternate id via google's web interface to get it to not change the from: field back to default. (you'd think that it could recognize that I already had the other address as an alias for my own) |
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| 19:18.32 | acu07 | did anyone make virt-manager work at all in qemu-kvn debian squeeze ? |
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| 19:24.58 | rooter7 | I have an emergency. dist-upgrade failed and left my system hosed. |
| 19:25.34 | jpinx-eeepc | rooter7: upgrading from what to what? |
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| 19:25.47 | rooter7 | Staying at Testing. |
| 19:25.55 | crocket | Where can I download the source code of lsb_release? |
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| 19:25.59 | crocket | I want to port it to slackware. |
| 19:26.06 | rooter7 | Just doing my monthly dist-upgrade. |
| 19:26.16 | crocket | I want to use lsb_release to determine the name of the OSes. |
| 19:26.17 | craigevil | rooter7: what desktop/wm are you using? |
| 19:26.41 | rooter7 | KDE. dist-upgrade fasiled on sysv with "unable to install new version of `/etc/rc2.d/README': No such file or directory" |
| 19:26.50 | jpinx-eeepc | crocket: did you look in packages.debian.org ? |
| 19:26.57 | crocket | no.... |
| 19:27.11 | crocket | jpinx-eeepc, But googling lsb_release led to no good result |
| 19:27.22 | rooter7 | It writes the new README.dist, then erases all READMEs, then complains it's missing. |
| 19:27.24 | jpinx-eeepc | did I say google? |
| 19:27.47 | crocket | jpinx-eeepc, Searching packages.debian.org for lsb_release gave no result |
| 19:27.56 | rooter7 | Left my system completely hosed, and I can't earn a living. |
| 19:28.02 | karsten | crocket: All debian packages will give you upstream. |
| 19:28.10 | jpinx-eeepc | crocket: then it's probably not in debian ;) |
| 19:28.32 | crocket | hmm |
| 19:28.34 | crocket | Where? |
| 19:28.40 | karsten | crocket: lsb-release is the package name. |
| 19:28.47 | jpinx-eeepc | ,versions lsb_release |
| 19:28.49 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'lsb_release' was found. |
| 19:28.52 | crocket | Was it lsb-release? |
| 19:28.55 | karsten | crocket: apt-file search $( which lsb_release ): lsb-release: /usr/bin/lsb_release |
| 19:28.59 | jpinx-eeepc | ,versions lsb-release |
| 19:29.00 | judd | lsb-release -- etch: 3.1-23.2etch1; lenny: 3.2-20; sid: 3.2-23.1; squeeze: 3.2-23.1 |
| 19:29.13 | jpinx-eeepc | crocket: helps t get the name right :p |
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| 19:29.28 | crocket | jpinx-eeepc, I need to port it to slackware. |
| 19:29.29 | jpinx-eeepc | crocket: *now* look in packages.debian.org |
| 19:29.41 | crocket | I'm looking it |
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| 19:30.13 | crocket | oh |
| 19:30.17 | crocket | the package name is lsb-release |
| 19:30.24 | karsten | crocket: I think Debian may be origin. Both authors are @debian.org addresses. |
| 19:30.41 | karsten | crocket: p.d.o has a very nice search facility. Learn to use it. |
| 19:30.50 | rooter7 | No one knows how I can make apt-get skip sysv? |
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| 19:31.19 | jpinx-eeepc | rooter7: man aptitude |
| 19:31.33 | crocket | karsten, ok |
| 19:31.43 | karsten | !tell rooter7 about hold |
| 19:32.22 | crocket | lsb-release was written by debian developers? |
| 19:32.45 | karsten | crocket: That's my inference |
| 19:32.56 | crocket | inference |
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| 19:34.20 | karsten | runs 'set +x crocket' |
| 19:34.46 | crocket | What's this? |
| 19:35.00 | flupke | I don't understand control files "Standards-Version" field, where do I find the version of the standards my package complies with ? (and how ?) |
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| 19:38.50 | rooter7 | karsten: thanks, it's progressing. But the dpkg artintel had me thinking it's a person... |
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| 19:39.11 | crocket | karsten, What's +x for? |
| 19:40.37 | rooter7 | (add the Execute bit to a file, to allow that. |
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| 19:45.55 | rooter7 | karsten: it's completed my dist-upgrade, but kmail still will not send (SMTP error). Maybe I have to reboot. |
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| 19:46.20 | rooter7 | Seems to have taken it from KDE 4.3 to 4.4. |
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| 19:54.02 | unixp | do you know a command to change the system clock on debian lenny Xfce? |
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| 19:56.21 | abrotman | !set the time |
| 19:56.22 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install <ntp> or <openntpd> to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. You may also need to run dpkg-reconfigure tzdata (lenny and later) or tzconfig (etch and earlier) to set the time zone, and verify the UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS prior. |
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| 19:58.43 | crocket | dpkg? |
| 19:58.53 | abrotman | it's a bot? |
| 19:59.02 | helo | slewed? |
| 19:59.12 | crocket | How can I export lsb-release from debian to slackware? |
| 19:59.17 | crocket | I downloaded the source code. |
| 19:59.21 | crocket | It's a python package. |
| 19:59.33 | crocket | It has a installation script inside, so I can't figure out how to install it myself. |
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| 20:00.37 | unixp | what ? date: invalid date `--set' |
| 20:00.37 | helo | ahh... slewing is a neat idea |
| 20:00.53 | helo | unixp: you have to provide an argument to --set |
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| 20:04.06 | wols_ | unixp: just install ntpdate and run "ntpdate pool.ntp.org" |
| 20:04.14 | wols_ | !ntpdate |
| 20:04.14 | dpkg | [ntpdate] a program that sets a system's clock using one of more NTP servers. It's useful for setting the time occasionally (like on boot or connecting to internet). Instead of using this obsolete and unmaintained program, just install the ntp package, add the 'iburst' option to the 'server' lines in ntp.conf, and make sure -g is among the NTPD_OPTS in /etc/default/ntp. Ask me about <ntp>. See also <why not ntpdate>. |
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| 20:04.52 | abrotman | ntp really is better |
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| 20:04.58 | unixp | ok thx |
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| 20:08.41 | project2501b | yeah, ntpdate on a cronjob is not as good as ntpd |
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| 20:10.53 | jhutchins_lt | ntpdate is unmaintained because it doesn't need maintenance, it does what it does. |
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| 20:12.02 | helo | wonders in what obscure situations ntpdate isn't good enough |
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| 20:14.17 | dondelelcaro | helo: any time that the clock shouldn't be jumped by small amounts |
| 20:14.31 | dondelelcaro | helo: time slewing is almost always better than time jumping |
| 20:15.05 | dondelelcaro | (and ntp means that your clock tends to stay right, instead of just being right ocassionally) |
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| 20:17.03 | BadHorsie | I'm trying to purge some conf files from removed packages so that I can use sysv-rc, however apt-get purge says "not installed so not removed, how can I purge the old files? |
| 20:17.28 | project2501b | hm, how is there no synergy-plus debian package? |
| 20:17.35 | dondelelcaro | finally, if for some reason you want the behavoir that ntpdate gives you, you can just use ntpd -qg; or possibly -x |
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| 20:17.49 | dondelelcaro | BadHorsie: dpkg --purge foopkg; |
| 20:17.50 | Nurbs | If I remove packages with "aptitude purge foo" and aptitude is configured to delete and purge unused packages, should it also remove packages which are removed because they depend on foo? |
| 20:18.07 | BadHorsie | dondelelcaro: thanks |
| 20:18.28 | dondelelcaro | Nurbs: it'll try to find a solution, and it'll prompt you to remove them (or to keep the foo pkg installed) |
| 20:19.29 | Nurbs | dondelelcaro: It removes them, but I would like all removed packages to be purged, too and thought "unused package" included those, too. Oh well, I'll just use "aptitude purge ~c" every now and then. |
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| 20:19.54 | helo | dondelelcaro: thanks |
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| 20:20.29 | Nurbs | dondelelcaro: I think that behaviour was different somewhere in the past, though. Or maybe it was back when I used apt. |
| 20:22.01 | project2501b | !#@$*#(!)*0 fooking hp tech support. they gave me a drone which is reading from the script... |
| 20:22.01 | dpkg | project2501b: what are you talking about? |
| 20:22.13 | project2501b | pats dpkg |
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| 20:27.41 | seba | hi |
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| 20:30.15 | hayleyw | hey all. i'm looking for something that i can hook up to our company's main switch and see what's actually using how much bandwidth, which collocated servers are using the most, etc. any tools for this? |
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| 20:31.09 | unixp | which video plugin do i need for the live BP oil crisis: http://www.bp.com/liveassets/bp_internet/globalbp/globalbp_uk_english/homepage/STAGING/local_assets/bp_homepage/html/rov_stream.html |
| 20:31.21 | Bushmills | many. ntop, cacti, munin ... |
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| 20:32.51 | lindi- | hayleyw: mplayer -playlist 'http://mfile.akamai.com/97892/live/reflector:46245.asx?bkup=46260' |
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| 20:33.06 | jhutchins_lt | hayleyw: Never used it myself, but I think that's the mission statement for mrtg. |
| 20:33.14 | jhutchins_lt | dpkg: mrtg? |
| 20:33.14 | dpkg | [mrtg] The Multi Router Traffic Grapher, used to monitor traffic load on network links and present a visual (live) representation. http://oss.oetiker.ch/mrtg/ See also <rrdtool>. |
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| 20:33.47 | lindi- | unixp: sorry, see above |
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| 20:33.50 | hayleyw | jhutchins_lt, thanks |
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| 20:34.30 | gynter | hello, is there a way to see what packages were installed yesterday? |
| 20:34.37 | helo | lindi-: heh, good answer :) |
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| 20:34.56 | jk70_ | !gpg |
| 20:34.56 | dpkg | [gpg] GNU Privacy Guard (GnuPG, GPG) is free public-key encryption program, an alternative to <PGP>. Packaged for Debian as gnupg. http://gnupg.org/ #gnupg on irc.freenode.net. |
| 20:35.03 | jhutchins_lt | hayleyw: You may also want to install mplayerplug-in |
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| 20:38.09 | rtronk | are there minimume system requirements for clamAV? |
| 20:38.37 | tharkun | gynter: /var/log/dpkg can help you out |
| 20:38.43 | gynter | nevermind i'll just grep-awk log |
| 20:38.47 | gynter | ah thanks :) |
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| 20:39.16 | roe | rtronk, google might help |
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| 20:40.37 | tharkun | rtronk: The more memory you have the better it will work |
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| 20:40.52 | rtronk | will it work on 128mgs? |
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| 20:41.21 | tharkun | rtronk: well try it, but i doubt it 320 is my lower limit |
| 20:41.42 | unixp | lindi-, thx |
| 20:42.40 | rtronk | ty |
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| 20:44.12 | niklaswe | does anyone have any idé how i will get resolution 1360x768 in virtualbox, i cant get that resolution :( |
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| 20:53.31 | zebradog_ | niklaswe, lol |
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| 20:53.49 | zebradog_ | niklaswe, doesnt virtualbox have addon drivers for internal vms ? |
| 20:53.57 | wad | I've got a script that does "apt-get install postfix", but as part of the install, it pops up a blue screen that asks for some stuff. Is there a way to automate the answers to those screens? |
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| 20:54.32 | zebradog_ | wad, there's probably an apt-get option for that |
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| 20:54.51 | zebradog_ | wad, or maybe its possible to make an exception for that particular pacakge in a dpkg.conf file |
| 20:55.01 | wad | Okay. |
| 20:55.05 | wad | I'll look into those. |
| 20:55.35 | zebradog_ | sorry dunno right off by heart.. my machine is in the other room hehehe |
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| 20:57.26 | niklaswe | zebradog_: i cant find that, i can set 1400x... what the resolution is :P but not 1360x768 :P |
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| 20:59.10 | zebradog_ | niklaswe, did you check to see if theres something like virtualbox tools ? |
| 20:59.15 | HardDisk_WP | !d-mm |
| 20:59.18 | HardDisk_WP | !d-mm? |
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| 20:59.34 | vz_ | hia |
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| 21:00.45 | zebradog_ | niklaswe, did you look for the guest additions? |
| 21:00.50 | deco | i can't get sound from HDA ATI SB |
| 21:01.15 | deco | even though snd_hda_intel module is loaded |
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| 21:02.46 | craigevil | !tell HardDisk_WP about dmm |
| 21:02.55 | HardDisk_WP | yeah, found it already ^^ |
| 21:02.56 | HardDisk_WP | thx |
| 21:03.07 | hayleyw | what do i need for import javax.management.remote in java to work on debian? i have jre and jdk installed |
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| 21:03.32 | zebradog_ | hayleyw, you dont need jdk to run applets, just the jre |
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| 21:04.50 | rtronk | i have had multiple problems while trying to install ISPConfig3 on Debian 5.0 even following ISPConfig's website stepbystep howto i get stuck on clamav with my machine. |
| 21:05.25 | niklaswe | zebradog_: I found it now =) ty mate |
| 21:05.28 | tharkun | rtronk: Check the fqdn of your machine. If it is not properly set it will breake a lot of things down |
| 21:05.47 | niklaswe | now can i run voddler in virtualbox instead of using wine :P |
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| 21:06.21 | rtronk | it is a blah.blah.info FQDN |
| 21:06.28 | zebradog_ | niklaswe, toddler's in virtualbox? You sick pedophile! You want to drunk your babies! |
| 21:06.45 | zebradog_ | niklaswe, wtf is voddler? |
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| 21:07.19 | tharkun | rtronk: check the output of hostname --fqdn if it matches then its something else. But i put my money behind that |
| 21:07.28 | niklaswe | zebradog_: www.voddler.com |
| 21:07.43 | niklaswe | zebradog_: itÅ like spotify but for movies |
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| 21:07.56 | zebradog_ | niklaswe, what? |
| 21:08.09 | zebradog_ | niklaswe, you require software for that website? |
| 21:08.44 | niklaswe | zebradog_: yupp you need an client too |
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| 21:09.08 | zebradog_ | niklaswe, that sucks.. |
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| 21:09.37 | zebradog_ | niklaswe, what Os are you running in the vm? |
| 21:09.53 | niklaswe | zebradog_: windows :/ |
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| 21:10.26 | niklaswe | the voddler client only works on windows and mac osx.. |
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| 21:13.49 | Ghost1227 | is it just me or is lenny missing qemu-kvm? |
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| 21:16.23 | grs80 | #centos |
| 21:16.24 | tharkun | Ghost1227: apt-cache show qemu && apt-cache show kvm |
| 21:16.32 | tharkun | grs80: fail |
| 21:16.33 | grs80 | i am sorry |
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| 21:18.32 | aleray | hi, I have thhis bug: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=561646 |
| 21:18.37 | guysoft42 | um, is this driver too new, or too old?: http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/rtl819x |
| 21:18.42 | aleray | do you know if it has been solved |
| 21:18.45 | aleray | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:21.21 | VampSwizzy | hi guys, when i try to install Wtorrent i get this error when i go to the install script: |
| 21:21.24 | VampSwizzy | Template dir tpl_c/ is not writable for webserver. Please change permissions and reload this page. |
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| 21:21.51 | VampSwizzy | i've followed this guide: http://www.webupd8.org/2009/12/compile-and-set-up-rtorrent-and.html with everything except for compiling rtorrent |
| 21:22.24 | VampSwizzy | is there an easy way to fix this? |
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| 21:25.31 | Ghost1227 | tharkun: i know those two packages, but neither contains the actual qemu-kvm binary |
| 21:26.25 | tharkun | Ghost1227: what is that package suppossed to do? |
| 21:26.35 | tharkun | or that binary ? |
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| 21:29.55 | HardDisk_WP | anyone know of mysql upgrade problems 5.0=>5.1 in testing? |
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| 21:30.03 | HardDisk_WP | got http://pastebin.com/Pt0R9Yuv in daemon.log, mysql wont start |
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| 21:34.36 | Ghost1227 | tharkun: http://paste.xinu.at/l5D/ < startup script i have for my server... but qemu doesn't support several of those options, and the test server i was using had a separate package for qemu-kvm |
| 21:34.47 | Ghost1227 | as did some previous versions of debian |
| 21:34.48 | ryanlin_ | hey guys |
| 21:35.01 | ryanlin_ | when debian first boots up, it gets stuck at sd 2:0:0:0 attached scsi removable disk sdb |
| 21:35.22 | ryanlin_ | after 5 minuts, it times out and goes into a init... something mode |
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| 21:35.57 | ryanlin_ | once i reboot the box, it boots into "sd 1:0:0:0" |
| 21:36.00 | ryanlin_ | and that works |
| 21:36.32 | ryanlin_ | is there any way i can change the order so 1:0:0:0 goes first? |
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| 21:38.18 | zebradog_ | ryanlin_, if you want a particular disk to always be seen as /dev/sda for eg you need to edit the udev rules and use a unique attribute |
| 21:39.03 | ryanlin_ | ahh i see..can you walk me through that? |
| 21:39.14 | ryanlin_ | i need to amke this work today |
| 21:39.15 | ryanlin_ | make* |
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| 21:39.39 | ryanlin_ | grrr..it's booting into sd:2 again |
| 21:39.43 | ryanlin_ | gotta wait for another 5 minutes |
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| 21:46.26 | ryanlin_ | do i edit devfs.rules? |
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| 21:48.24 | axolx | im having a hard time escaping quotes on an ssh command. what do i need to do to this command so that world prints double quoted? ssh remote_host "echo 'hello "world"'" |
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| 21:51.42 | karlpinc | axolx: Ah, shell hell. Lemmie think. There's a bashism I can recall... |
| 21:51.51 | jelly-hme | axolx: escape them using \, ssh remote_host "echo 'hello \"world\"'" |
| 21:52.11 | axolx | jelly-hme: ya just realized that works so my simplified exmaple is useless :-P |
| 21:52.17 | greenpumpkins | Dumb question. Would it make sense for debian to install, but then not run, even when the drive works on another machine of similar specs? |
| 21:52.52 | jelly-hme | axolx: that's why you always ought to tell what you're _really_ trying to do |
| 21:53.31 | karlpinc | greenpumpkins: Yes. The installer does not (historically) use the exact same kernel as what's installed. You can put a newer kernel on from backports.org by booting into the install disk in rescue mode and then chrooting. |
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| 21:54.28 | axolx | jelly-hme: ok here you go: ssh sm@sm1 "echo 'UPDATE node_revisions SET body = REPLACE(body, "http://sm2/bleh", "http://sm1/bleh");' | mysql --database=mydb" gives "ERROR 1064 (42000) at line 1: You have an error in your SQL syntax" |
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| 21:54.43 | axolx | jelly-hme: but if i copy that SQL and run it on the mysql client on that DB, it works fine |
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| 21:55.03 | axolx | jelly-hme: im thinking it's an issue with quote escaping |
| 21:55.07 | deco | what is the name of the package that has the kernel source ? |
| 21:55.14 | deco | debian lenny |
| 21:55.39 | karlpinc | axolx: You could run the echo locally and pipe into mysql. (Although that's cheating.) |
| 21:55.49 | jelly-hme | axolx: escaping the double quotes still ought to make that echo do what it's supposed to. Not sure about the pipe |
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| 21:56.27 | greenpumpkins | karlpinc, I've tried updating the kernel during the install, it didn't work either |
| 21:56.32 | jelly-hme | axolx: if you replace | mysql... with |cat, does it output the correct string? |
| 21:56.43 | guysoft42 | hey, i am on kernel 2.6.32 experemental now, and the r8192s_usb driver seems to be missing! |
| 21:56.48 | jelly-hme | deco: why are you asking? |
| 21:56.51 | guysoft42 | 2.6.34* |
| 21:56.57 | djura-san | im off now. have a nice chat people. good night :) |
| 21:57.01 | deco | jelly-hme: i need the kernel source to build a driver |
| 21:57.02 | jelly-hme | !tell guysoft42 about experimental |
| 21:57.12 | jelly-hme | deco: which driver? |
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| 21:57.22 | karlpinc | greenpumpkins: What do you mean "update"? The installer installs the latest approved kernel. You may need something newer than that. |
| 21:57.22 | deco | jelly-hme: alsa driver that came with my asus motherboard cd |
| 21:57.29 | guysoft42 | jelly, r8192s_usb |
| 21:57.53 | axolx | jelly-hme: thanks so much for your tips. i dont want to take much of your time. ill play around with this longer and maybe ping you again later , but hopefully not :) |
| 21:57.55 | jelly-hme | guysoft42: that wasn't for you |
| 21:58.45 | deco | so is it possible to download the kernel source ? |
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| 21:58.51 | guysoft42 | jelly-hme, ah ok |
| 21:58.53 | deco | there used to be a package called kernel-srouce |
| 21:58.54 | greenpumpkins | Karlpinc, ah. I misunderstood. I looked at it as the kernel on the disc is base, the repo therefore is an update |
| 21:58.57 | deco | but not in debian lenny |
| 21:59.07 | deco | kernel-source* |
| 21:59.24 | jelly-hme | deco: which debian release are you using? Perhaps merely getting a newer kernel would suffice. If you've already tried that, then, to build external drivers, you typically only need linux-headers-$(uname -r) and build-essential installed |
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| 21:59.51 | deco | jelly-hme: ah okay , debian lenny , how does one upgrade to a newer kernel ? |
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| 22:00.11 | jelly-hme | deco: try the one available at backports.org, /msg dpkg bpo |
| 22:00.19 | JyZyXEL | how do you go back in the mail editing mode in mutt if you close your editor? |
| 22:00.21 | jelly-hme | ,kernels |
| 22:00.23 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.34-1-686 (2.6.34-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-15); squeeze: 2.6.32-3-686 (2.6.32-9); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.4-686 (2.6.32-11~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-22lenny1); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
| 22:00.25 | deco | jelly-hme: oh awesome thanks ! |
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| 22:01.37 | jelly-hme | JyZyXEL: ? in mutt shows available command keybindings for the active screen |
| 22:01.49 | JyZyXEL | oh yea it was "e" |
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| 22:09.02 | guysoft42 | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=580740 |
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| 22:09.24 | guysoft42 | says they fixed the bug , but did not enable the module.. which is kinda um, silly |
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| 22:29.05 | HardDisk_WP | hey |
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| 22:50.08 | benji__ | Hello, I was wondering out of curiosity how many branches of the debian code are active/maintained ? |
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| 22:50.28 | Arrowmaster | three/four |
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| 22:51.19 | benji__ | like lenny+squeeze+? |
| 22:51.25 | Arrowmaster | yeah |
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| 22:52.09 | benji__ | are there more of them? |
| 22:52.47 | qq- | !release |
| 22:52.47 | dpkg | Lenny was released on 2009-02-14. Lenny is Debian 5.0 and is now considered "stable". Ask me about <install debian>, or <etch->lenny> to upgrade from Etch. See http://www.debian.org/releases/ or <release history> for the latest (and historical) releases. |
| 22:53.00 | qq- | benji__, ^^ |
| 22:53.07 | Arrowmaster | there is sid and experimental but i wouldnt really count them as completely separate 'branches' |
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| 22:53.44 | Arrowmaster | after a new release the old one is still maintained for a while and thats a 'separate branch' but currently there isnt one being maintained |
| 22:54.34 | craigevil | benji__: 3 stable, testing, unstable, http://www.debian.org/releases/ |
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| 22:55.54 | benji__ | craigevil, accroding to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debian , etch for example, is no longer maintained |
| 22:56.03 | benji__ | Is that correct? |
| 22:56.07 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 22:56.19 | craigevil | corect "Etch" was the old stable, security support for it ended in Feb |
| 22:56.29 | benji__ | Ok |
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| 22:57.10 | benji__ | so we have 1 stable 1 testing 1 unstable and 1 exp ? |
| 22:57.21 | craigevil | exp is not a complete release |
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| 22:57.33 | benji__ | can you explain why? |
| 22:57.34 | craigevil | !experimental |
| 22:57.35 | dpkg | experimental is the bleeding edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit/DANGEROUS/untrustworthy/etc for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does _not_ support experimental. For an actual description, see section 4.6.4.3 of the Developer's Reference. http://packages.debian.org/experimental/ |
| 22:58.02 | benji__ | yes but there is a separate branch for it right? |
| 22:58.07 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 22:58.09 | benji__ | hm |
| 22:58.11 | zub | hi. I've got a somewhat general question, but I guess you'd know the answer: How do MUAs talk to MTAs? E.g. I'm using Alpine, how does it pass the mail I compose, to exim? |
| 22:58.17 | craigevil | no exp only has a few packages |
| 22:58.25 | benji__ | Ok I see |
| 22:58.43 | benji__ | Thanks you for your answers :) |
| 22:58.51 | Arrowmaster | zub: SMTP |
| 22:58.56 | tharkun | zub: Generally speaking using the sendmail command |
| 22:58.58 | craigevil | benji__: stable, testing, unstable can all be installed, while exp only has a few packages |
| 22:59.03 | themill | zub: typically by running the sendmail binary on your system, but it can talk by SMTP to a remote server too |
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| 22:59.21 | zub | themill: I'm interested in the local case |
| 22:59.25 | tharkun | zub: or using the smtp protocol over 127.0.0.1:25 |
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| 23:01.27 | zub | one more question: If I have a mail created by git format-patch, and I want to send it - MUAs tend to get in the way. Can I skip it somehow and pass it to MTA? That's why I was interested in the way how MUAs and MTAs communitace. |
| 23:01.46 | jelly-hme | zub: why didn't you ask that, then? |
| 23:02.31 | zub | because I wanted to know how MTAs and MUAs communicate anyway; it's called curiosity |
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| 23:04.07 | tharkun | zub: there is also something called google |
| 23:04.21 | jelly-hme | zub: if you have a ready-made mail and you're happry enough with the recipient addresses specified in To:, Cc: and Bcc: headers in it, pipe it to /usr/sbin/sendmail -oi -t |
| 23:04.24 | \amethyst | zub: usually either 1. the MUA calls /usr/lib/sendmail; or 2. the MUA connects to port 25 and submits the mail that way |
| 23:04.32 | zub | jelly-hme: thanks |
| 23:04.41 | \amethyst | zub: the former is more common for Unix MUAs, the latter for cross-platform GUI ones |
| 23:05.17 | zub | \amethyst: yeah, I know "the GUI way", but was always confused about the unix way |
| 23:05.18 | jordanm | \amethyst: wouldn't it call /usr/bin/sendmail which would possibly be a link (depending on alternatives) to /usr/lib/sendmail in debian? |
| 23:05.39 | \amethyst | jordanm: no such thing as /usr/bin/sendmail |
| 23:06.03 | jordanm | \amethyst: ah, you are right. my /usr/lib/sendmail is the symlink to my alternative |
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| 23:06.14 | \amethyst | jordanm: and in Debian alternatives aren't involved, since only one MTA can be installed at a time |
| 23:07.40 | jelly-hme | zub: /usr/sbin/sendmail API is specified in Release Policy document for specific debian release, which in turn refers to LSB |
| 23:07.59 | tuvwx | is reminded with his first debian install attempt, where he tried for days to 'install everything' |
| 23:08.02 | themill | (§11.6 of policy, if you need some bedtime reading) |
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| 23:08.30 | zub | :) |
| 23:08.59 | zub | thanks |
| 23:09.02 | \amethyst | ah, so on debian you're supposed to use /usr/sbin/sendmail, not /usr/lib |
| 23:09.28 | jelly-hme | themill: oh? http://release.debian.org/lenny/rc_policy.txt doesn't have 11.6... is it in packaging policy now? |
| 23:09.31 | themill | \amethyst: yes. Once upon a time. |
| 23:09.45 | themill | jelly-hme: it's in policy policy. |
| 23:09.59 | jelly-hme | whatever its name is now |
| 23:09.59 | dondelelcaro | \amethyst: /usr/sbin/sendmail is the LSB-defined interface |
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| 23:10.13 | themill | jelly-hme: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-customized-programs.html#s-mail-transport-agents |
| 23:11.23 | dondelelcaro | \amethyst: though FHS requires that /usr/lib/sendmail link to /usr/sbin/sendmail (for historical reasons) |
| 23:11.35 | jelly-hme | themill: yeah, that doesn't say what /usr/sbin/sendmail is supposed to do _at all_ |
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| 23:12.21 | jelly-hme | that bit of release policy should really find its way into policy policy |
| 23:12.51 | themill | jelly-hme: true. There was some discussion a few months back about introducing a couple of virtual packages for the bits of lsb-mta and default-mta or similar that are actually needed and mandated. |
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| 23:13.12 | jordanm | so this is all essentially because of the days when sendmail was _the_ MTA on the internet? I suppose sendmail is an appropriate name but it also refers to a specific MTA |
| 23:13.47 | dondelelcaro | jordanm: every MTA supplies a /usr/sbin/sendmail which handles a set of sendmail specific options |
| 23:13.49 | jelly-hme | jordanm: Sendmail defined (much of) the API, yes |
| 23:13.53 | tharkun | Well actually sendmail has been for quite some time now the binary that takes care of most local deliveries. |
| 23:14.20 | dondelelcaro | jordanm: they often have *other* methods of invoking them, which take different options, but those aren't used by anything which needs to work with all MTAs |
| 23:14.32 | Arrowmaster | zub: why not just use git send-email |
| 23:14.45 | dondelelcaro | /usr/sbin/sendmail is just an LSB-defined interface to an MTA |
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| 23:16.27 | jordanm | MTAs are pretty complex just to implement a protocol of text transfer.. |
| 23:16.44 | jelly-hme | jordanm: that's because they need to work |
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| 23:17.08 | zub | Arrowmaster: short answer: no MTA that could deliver mail to the outside world living on that box. |
| 23:17.10 | jordanm | jelly-hme: they need to work only for people you want it to work for as well |
| 23:17.13 | tharkun | jordanm: There are a lot of options to screw things up- |
| 23:17.20 | zub | I'm investigating how to set up a MTA on that box |
| 23:17.40 | tharkun | zub: smarthost or internet standalone? |
| 23:17.45 | dondelelcaro | zub: does this machine need to receive mail? |
| 23:17.50 | jordanm | I manage exim4 and sendmail servers, but still so much more to learn |
| 23:18.02 | Arrowmaster | zub: git send-email connect to any SMTP server, it doesnt have to be on the local machine |
| 23:18.03 | zub | but my understanding is that then the mails would have a different from: (or maybe not, I'm clueless), and as it goes to some MLs ... well, complicated |
| 23:18.05 | jelly-hme | zub: if you don't need local delivery, install and configure nullmailer or ssmtp |
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| 23:19.26 | ScottG | I am getting a lot of graphics tearing |
| 23:19.55 | ScottG | Maybe that isn't the right word. Graphics are kinda just sticking around and overlapping each other |
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| 23:20.23 | zub | dondelelcaro: not really; I was looking at ssmtp or something like that |
| 23:20.34 | jordanm | I never quite understood the "no local delivery" stuff either. AFICT, nullmailer doesn't support aliases so cron's local mail to root has no where to go? I possibly didn't look into it enough since I just went back to what I was familar with, exim4 |
| 23:21.28 | zub | does ssmtp mean no local deliver - and that in turn - no mails from cron? |
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| 23:21.59 | tuvwx | jordanm: nullmailer forwards all mail to one remote address |
| 23:22.15 | tharkun | jordanm: no local delivery means every mail is sent somewhere else to some human who actually reads the mail |
| 23:22.24 | Arrowmaster | zub: if git is the only reason your doing this you really should just stop and configure it to use a remote smtp server instead of trying to setup a local MTA just to forward mails to a remote smtp server |
| 23:22.57 | tharkun | Arrowmaster: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config is not much of a pain :) |
| 23:23.22 | jordanm | well, exim4 works for me, and with my boxes that use smarthost, dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config covers nearly all my needs |
| 23:23.41 | zub | Arrowmaster: not the only reason; I'd like to "get it right", as currently, on that box, there's nothing of that sort and whatever cron decides to mail me ends up in... nowhere |
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| 23:24.02 | tharkun | zub: take a look at /etc/aliases |
| 23:24.15 | Arrowmaster | it cant be nowhere with the default config |
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| 23:26.05 | dondelelcaro | zub: I'd suggest using nullmailer in such a case; and yes, it handles routing mails from cron to a single user |
| 23:26.09 | starsong | Can't exec "dialog": No such file or directory at /usr/share/perl/5.10/IPC/Open3.pm line 168. |
| 23:26.18 | starsong | when executing debconf dialog |
| 23:26.29 | starsong | what I'm I missing |
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| 23:26.43 | dondelelcaro | starsong: you don't have dialog installed (or something which matches your currently selected debconf frontend) |
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| 23:26.46 | zub | dondelelcaro: if it does, then it should work for me, thanks |
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| 23:27.03 | starsong | ok dondelelcaro that figures, what should I install |
| 23:27.05 | starsong | dialog ? |
| 23:27.09 | dondelelcaro | zub: yeah, it's what I use on my machines which don't need to receive mail |
| 23:27.10 | tuvwx | zub: note that nullmailer will forward all mail. no local mail anymore |
| 23:27.12 | dondelelcaro | starsong: yes |
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| 23:27.53 | dondelelcaro | forwarding of all local mail is pretty much what you always want on such a machine anyway |
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| 23:29.30 | VectorX | hi how do i add a user to a group |
| 23:29.54 | starsong | dondelelcaro: I just want to access debian configuration options |
| 23:30.03 | starsong | debconf dialog just shows dialog options |
| 23:30.15 | tuvwx | VectorX: adduser <user> <group> |
| 23:30.31 | VectorX | -sh: aduser: command not found |
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| 23:30.46 | tuvwx | VectorX: 1) it's adduser. 2) you must be root |
| 23:30.47 | jordanm | VectorX: again without typos |
| 23:30.47 | VectorX | -sh: adduser: command not found |
| 23:30.54 | jordanm | VectorX: again as root... |
| 23:31.01 | VectorX | let me try that |
| 23:31.13 | jordanm | people use sh for their interactive shell? |
| 23:31.16 | tharkun | VectorX: man adduser |
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| 23:31.42 | tharkun | jordanm: used to be the standard shell, now you have lots of options |
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| 23:33.30 | VectorX | ok that worked |
| 23:33.31 | VectorX | ty |
| 23:34.23 | jordanm | VectorX: next time, atleast check the reference |
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| 23:34.27 | jordanm | !reference |
| 23:34.27 | dpkg | The Debian Reference will answer most of your questions about Debian. The latest version (v2) is at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ . Read it after installing Debian and before asking for support, as it is the closest thing Debian has to a manual. You can install this too, the package name is debian-reference: 'aptitude install debian-reference' |
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| 23:36.02 | VectorX | jordanm well the problem was when i ran the command it kept saying not found, which causes a bit of confusion, atleast if i knew it existed then i can man it |
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| 23:38.17 | jordanm | VectorX: administration commands will always require root. |
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| 23:39.27 | VectorX | ill keep that in mind, thanks |
| 23:41.09 | jelly-hme | VectorX: normal users' PATH doesn't contain /sbin or /usr/sbin directories, which mostly contain commands usable only by root |
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| 23:41.37 | tharkun | although some are partially usable by normal users |
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| 23:42.34 | karter | how can I set dns servers ? |
| 23:42.54 | streuner_ | karter: usually via /etc/resolv.conf |
| 23:43.24 | tharkun | karter: if you are using dhcp it should be provided by your dhcp server. |
| 23:43.25 | karter | there's no utility (core) that does that ? |
| 23:43.33 | karter | no i want to set it to like 8.8.8.8 |
| 23:43.35 | VectorX | ok well i am in a dir which has owner owner access, running a php file in that dir which needs to create a file but getting "Warning: fopen(filename) [function.fopen]: failed to open stream: Permission denied in /home/owner/output.php on line 7can't open file" |
| 23:43.40 | karter | and I also want to set a dns suffix |
| 23:43.48 | streuner_ | karter: nano /etc/resolv.conf? :-P |
| 23:43.51 | jordanm | karter: echo 'nameserver 8.8.8.8' > /etc/resolv.conf |
| 23:43.59 | karter | cool |
| 23:44.00 | tharkun | karter: then manually edit resolv.conf but first take a look at its man page |
| 23:44.00 | VectorX | i just added www-data to the owner group but still nothing, www-data seems to be what apache is running as |
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| 23:44.14 | jordanm | karter: if you install resolvconf, you cant set nameserver in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 23:44.20 | tharkun | VectorX: Why don't you ask your real question? |
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| 23:44.42 | VectorX | tharkun which is ? |
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| 23:44.55 | jordanm | tharkun: he explained it above |
| 23:45.03 | streuner_ | karter: thats not DHCP? |
| 23:45.15 | jordanm | !permissions |
| 23:45.16 | dpkg | For more information on permissions, read info coreutils 'File Permissions' and http://mywiki.wooledge.org/Permissions or http://www.comptechdoc.org/os/linux/usersguide/linux_ugfilesp.html - for even further info see these http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_permission and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chmod, or follow the setuid and setgid links found in the wikipedia pages, or http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions, or <qotd232> |
| 23:45.38 | VectorX | i thought adding the user will help which is what i was having trouble with, but that didnt seem to solve the issue |
| 23:45.42 | jordanm | VectorX: the wooledge.org articles are usually quite good, though I have not read that one |
| 23:46.03 | karter | streuner_: no dhcp sets it so something that the dhcp server hands out yes, I want to override that |
| 23:46.07 | jordanm | VectorX: anyways, it sounds like you are confusing the user www-data with the group also named www-data |
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| 23:46.36 | jordanm | karter: then that should be set in dhclient.conf |
| 23:46.40 | streuner_ | karter: if you using dhclient or such, there is a config... |
| 23:46.44 | VectorX | adduser www-data owner not good ? |
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| 23:47.57 | jordanm | i don't know what the permissions are? |
| 23:48.01 | tharkun | VectorX: sorry i allready found it. Check the user that your php script is running as |
| 23:48.20 | VectorX | tharkun isnt it the apache user ? |
| 23:48.28 | tharkun | not necesarily |
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| 23:48.57 | jordanm | I would assume... unless it was a setuid php-cgi script |
| 23:49.51 | tharkun | Sometimes out of security it deafualts to a nobody user |
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| 23:50.20 | VectorX | yeah there is a nobody in the passwd but i dont see anything realated to php |
| 23:50.28 | VectorX | so do i add nobody to owner ? |
| 23:50.47 | tharkun | VectorX: easiest way make a world writable directory and look at the file after it has been created |
| 23:51.03 | tharkun | Then act accordingly |
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| 23:51.36 | VectorX | that too is an idea |
| 23:52.35 | VectorX | so chmod 777 dirname would do it right ? |
| 23:52.53 | tharkun | yes |
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| 23:55.21 | VectorX | it got created as www-data www-data in that dir |
| 23:55.43 | tharkun | change the owneship of the dir to that and make it user writable |
| 23:59.41 | VectorX | i would have prefered if i could have written in the previos dir where owner owner has permissions |