| 00:00.24 | Arrowmaster | change the group on the dir to www-data and make it group writable |
| 00:00.32 | tharkun | After using lanmap for a day, i found an intruder on a wifi network. Any passive network scanner that will warn me of a certain mac joining the network? |
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| 00:01.07 | Arrowmaster | although why are you running a webserver with a user home dir as the root of the server? |
| 00:01.37 | tharkun | Arrowmaster: not necesarily |
| 00:01.40 | VectorX | Arrowmaster its not |
| 00:01.53 | Arrowmaster | oh well you said /home/owner/output.php |
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| 00:02.18 | VectorX | i have a sym link to the home in the root, so its like, site.com/symlink points there |
| 00:02.42 | jordanm | apache has public_html |
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| 00:02.44 | Arrowmaster | i would still consider that a bad idea |
| 00:03.03 | Arrowmaster | site.com/symlink/.bash_history ! |
| 00:03.34 | VectorX | Arrowmaster this is not a public wen site, its something i use to run some remote tools via the web |
| 00:03.58 | VectorX | so accessing the url, you would be confronted with a user/pass |
| 00:04.11 | Arrowmaster | ah ok |
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| 00:06.45 | Arrowmaster | using a subdir like public_html is still probably better since you change the premissions on it to owner:www-data and 775 (or 770) without giving the webserver write access to the entire home dir |
| 00:08.27 | tharkun | VectorX: doing the linking the other way around is probably safer on any event |
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| 00:08.57 | VectorX | otherway around as in |
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| 00:10.44 | tharkun | having the symlink on your $HOME insted of /var/www/whatever |
| 00:11.47 | VectorX | right |
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| 00:52.30 | deco | what group should i be added to , to be able to mount usb digital cameras ? i can mount them as root |
| 00:52.33 | deco | but not as a normal user |
| 00:53.07 | streuner_ | fs? |
| 00:53.26 | deco | ? |
| 00:54.12 | streuner_ | as root? well, you can mount it always |
| 00:54.27 | deco | i want to be able to mount the camera as a normal user |
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| 00:54.34 | streuner_ | no matter what kind of group you are |
| 00:54.53 | deco | i know ... |
| 00:55.04 | deco | so i'm trying to figure out what group should a normal user be added to |
| 00:55.12 | deco | to be able to mount cameras |
| 00:55.25 | deco | with gtkam gthumbs etc.. |
| 00:56.07 | streuner_ | how about sudo? |
| 00:56.14 | deco | why sudo ? |
| 00:56.24 | deco | i don't want to mount the camera as root |
| 00:56.30 | streuner_ | gives a user root |
| 00:56.35 | deco | ^ |
| 00:56.36 | Pryon | make an entry in fstab that allows users to mount it |
| 00:57.03 | deco | no |
| 00:57.05 | streuner_ | what sudo do usually.. |
| 00:57.09 | deco | there has to be a way |
| 00:57.21 | deco | that just requires a certain group |
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| 00:57.35 | streuner_ | sudo? no |
| 00:57.36 | deco | like the audio group for audio playback |
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| 00:58.32 | Pryon | Make an entry in fstab that allows a group to mount it |
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| 00:59.27 | wols_ | !tell deco about automount |
| 00:59.48 | wols_ | deco: and usually it's plgudev afaik, which your user should already be part of |
| 01:00.12 | deco | wols_: yeah :/ |
| 01:01.01 | deco | wols_: and automount won't mount it |
| 01:01.36 | deco | AN error occurred in the io-library(could not claim the usb device) |
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| 01:13.36 | wepy | Silly question: if an interface has two IP addresses on the same subnet, how do you control which one is used for outbound connections? |
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| 01:19.27 | penrod[1] | greetings: just installed current debian distro and ipv6 is enabled , how to I disable it ? |
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| 01:20.42 | qq- | !noipv6 |
| 01:20.42 | dpkg | [noipv6] To disable use of <IPv6> on Lenny: echo install ipv6 /bin/true >> /etc/modprobe.d/local.conf (and reboot for the changes to take effect). From Squeeze onwards, IPv6 is built into the kernel, add the kernel command line option ipv6.disable=1 to your bootloader. |
| 01:24.16 | wols_ | wepy: a program can either open/use 0.0.0.0 for outgoing connections or it can decide to use a specific one |
| 01:25.12 | wepy | wols_: but the outbound packet will have a valid src IP, not 0.0.0.0 |
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| 01:38.12 | dominet | is there a way to uniqly identify a remote machine? |
| 01:38.32 | dominet | especially in case of dynamic IP assignment there |
| 01:38.59 | dominet | any kind of uniq information from the host that nmap can get me? |
| 01:39.00 | abrotman | depends on the OS |
| 01:39.09 | dominet | windows in 99% of my cases |
| 01:39.12 | abrotman | and the services it is running |
| 01:39.21 | abrotman | so why the heck are yo uasking us? try the netbios name .. |
| 01:39.42 | dominet | i'm identyfing them on my debian box |
| 01:39.49 | dominet | they are connecting and some are not welcome |
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| 01:40.09 | dominet | and in case of dynamic ip - iptables isn't an option |
| 01:41.00 | abrotman | i said the netbios name |
| 01:41.00 | dominet | getting mac over Internet isn't really possible, is it? |
| 01:41.10 | dominet | yes abrotman, i will try netbios name |
| 01:41.17 | abrotman | oh, it's not a LAN ? |
| 01:41.24 | dominet | no, it's Internet |
| 01:41.56 | dominet | i thought of some OS fingerprint |
| 01:42.04 | dominet | dunno, just something like that |
| 01:42.12 | dominet | there must be a way |
| 01:42.33 | dominet | or even remote hdd sn |
| 01:42.37 | CompWizrd | nmblookup -A ip |
| 01:42.51 | abrotman | does that work over the internet ? |
| 01:43.13 | CompWizrd | depends if someone has blocked port 135/445 :) |
| 01:43.21 | CompWizrd | most decent isp's do nowadays though |
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| 01:45.20 | dominet | hm |
| 01:45.32 | dominet | i was close, just found out about nbtstat |
| 01:45.58 | CompWizrd | if the other end has their firewall on, that won't help either |
| 01:46.13 | dominet | mhm most do prolly |
| 01:46.19 | dominet | so there must be another way... |
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| 01:47.24 | dominet | or IF the remote machine establisedh connection with one of my services, does it help to uniqly identify it? |
| 01:47.38 | Shadow` | any way to install debian from within another distro? as i can only remotely access the server by SSH, no remote screen or something |
| 01:47.58 | CompWizrd | there's ways to identify individual machines by browser versions and crap like taht, but that's probably not going to help you |
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| 01:50.59 | dominet | CompWizrd not quite that :( |
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| 01:51.17 | dominet | which package is nmblookup in? |
| 01:52.30 | Shadow` | meh, as usual |
| 01:52.33 | Shadow` | -.-' |
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| 01:59.35 | zebradog_ | Shadow`, y |
| 01:59.50 | zebradog_ | Shadow`, look into debootstrap |
| 01:59.55 | zebradog_ | !debootstrap |
| 01:59.55 | dpkg | debootstrap can create a basic Debian system from scratch, without apt/dpkg. Useful for installing in a <chroot>. It is key to installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux system, ask me about <install guide>. http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap http://www.debian-administration.org/article/Installing_new_Debian_systems_with_debootstrap |
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| 02:00.17 | karlpinc | I have an odd thing happen to my X session, which, FWIW, is using a thin client. (Lenny on both sides.) Occasionally the mouse will move, but, it seems, any sort of clicking does not register. This possibly happens when I've left something pressing a key forever, maybe. Anyway, this just happened. I unplugged the (usb) mouse and re-plugged it in. That fixed the mouse clicks but my (ps2) keyboard then went away. Switching between the console on ctr |
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| 02:01.22 | zebradog_ | karlpinc, that sounds sucky.. i would try another keyboard.. |
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| 02:03.27 | karlpinc | zebradog_: The keyboard was working fine in the console. I also forgot to say, after fixing the mouse clicks the application's seemed to fail to respond, the windows would work/move/open/etc, but none of the menus in them would work either. Eventually when it clears up there _seems_ to be a backlog of events processed. (The kde menu opened and closed a couple of times, etc.) Which makes me suspect the thin-client-esque nature. Sorta. |
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| 02:04.06 | karlpinc | Thing is, the network seemd to be fine. I was able to use the console on the X server to connect back to the client box, etc. Nothing unusual in vmstat etc. |
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| 02:16.08 | kyo | Hi, I have a problem capturing sound... I try to compile alsa-source with m-a but has problems with kernel 6.32... can you help me? |
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| 02:16.56 | abrotman | why are you compiling alsa ? |
| 02:16.59 | Nai-ux2 | which package should i install so that "man usleep" is found? |
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| 02:17.19 | abrotman | manpages-dev likely |
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| 02:17.50 | Nai-ux2 | abrotman, thank you, that worked. |
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| 02:19.18 | kyo | I have try to compile alsa-source to enable hda |
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| 02:20.05 | dvs | kyo: hda works for my motherboard |
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| 02:20.36 | dvs | kyo: I'd try a backported kernel first. |
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| 02:21.22 | kyo | dvs: I can't capture sound, the solution that I found is compile alsa-source... I have a intel dg43nb motherboard |
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| 02:21.55 | abrotman | hda is in the kernel aready |
| 02:23.00 | dvs | kyo: or find a kernel with a later version of alsa |
| 02:24.56 | kyo | I have kernel 6.32 and 6.33 but I can't capture sound. |
| 02:25.15 | kyo | installed from the repositories |
| 02:25.20 | abrotman | capture from what? |
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| 02:25.44 | kyo | soundcard |
| 02:26.10 | abrotman | WITH WHAT? |
| 02:26.14 | abrotman | a tin can? |
| 02:27.37 | kyo | using a mic with audacity and skype |
| 02:28.39 | abrotman | !alsa checklist |
| 02:28.39 | dpkg | 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 2) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels & toggle jack sense) 3) arts or esound stopped? 4) OSS modules unloaded? 5) speakers on? 6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 7) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. See also <list alsa users>. |
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| 02:35.13 | kyo | speakers works fine... I have problems with microphone |
| 02:37.04 | kyo | when I star audacity this message is displayed Expression 'stream->capture.pcm' failed in 'src/hostapi/alsa/pa_linux_alsa.c', line: 3653 |
| 02:37.36 | abrotman | modprobe snd_pcm_oss ? |
| 02:38.07 | kyo | yes |
| 02:38.16 | kyo | I tried it |
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| 02:50.32 | kyo | thank you for helping :)... I am still going to search a solution |
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| 03:03.36 | likevinyl | is away: sysadmin < jetón > dos mil peso :P |
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| 03:24.03 | mog | can you run the debian installer inside of debian, i have another drive i want to put debian on but dont have ability to boot into installer |
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| 03:28.28 | jpinx-eeepc | mog: if it's for the same machine you can copy the existing system completely |
| 03:28.41 | mog | ya i want to do fresh install |
| 03:28.58 | jpinx-eeepc | or use debootstrap |
| 03:29.32 | mog | ya thought debootstrap was only way |
| 03:29.58 | jpinx-eeepc | mog: /msg dpkg debootstrap |
| 03:30.44 | mog | ya i just wanted instlaler as i need to partition it certain way and someo ther things |
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| 03:30.51 | mog | ill just debootstrap though |
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| 03:42.56 | arrenlex | Nevermind, figured it out |
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| 04:02.47 | tuv | why would openbox use 675MB RES memory? |
| 04:04.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | it wants it, it needs it? |
| 04:05.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | can't think of anything, really.... a 670MB big configuration file? |
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| 04:05.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | defining a 500MB menu and other essential stuff? |
| 04:06.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | you could always try to have a look with gdb? |
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| 04:09.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell arrenlex -about apt-file |
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| 04:51.11 | DrCherry | is there a command line program that will give me some indication of my audio input levels? |
| 04:51.47 | jm | is there any way to list recursive dependencies in the way that apt-cache depends <package does>? I basically want what apt-rdepends does, but in a tree format, like apt-cache depends shows |
| 04:51.58 | jm | apt-cache depends <package> does, rather |
| 04:53.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | apt-cache rdepends <package>? |
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| 04:53.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | ah, that's not recursive |
| 04:53.45 | jm | that's reverse |
| 04:53.46 | jm | :-) |
| 04:54.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | then I don't understand you |
| 04:54.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | whatever... |
| 04:54.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | apt-rdepends is the one... |
| 04:54.34 | jm | but it doesn't output it in a tree format, the way apt-cache depends does |
| 04:54.46 | jm | I want recursive dependencies, but in a tree format |
| 04:55.02 | jm | apt-cache depends doesn't seem to be recursive; it stops at the 2nd level |
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| 04:55.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | does it? |
| 04:56.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | manpage doesn't say anything about that |
| 04:56.12 | jm | yeah it doesn't, but it does |
| 04:56.18 | jm | for example, try apt-cache depends moodle |
| 04:56.41 | jm | it doesn't tell me why it wants to install x11 stuff as a dependency (I already know now.. it's because of php5-gd) |
| 04:56.50 | jm | but for future reference, I'd like an easier way to figure that out |
| 04:57.01 | dabreegster | Where'd the grub2 shell go in squeeze? I just copied my / partition to a new drive, want to install to the mbr |
| 04:57.14 | jpinx-eeepc | there's a --why option iirc |
| 04:57.26 | jm | if that's the same as aptitude why, that isn't what I want |
| 04:57.33 | jm | that shows the dep tree for something already installed |
| 04:57.39 | jm | I want it for something that isn't yet installed |
| 04:57.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | he's really picky |
| 04:57.53 | jm | there's no --why option, anyway |
| 04:57.58 | jpinx-eeepc | jm packages.debian.org ;) |
| 04:57.58 | jm | I think you're thinking of aptitude why |
| 04:58.33 | jpinx-eeepc | the webpage for a package shows the dependencies doesn't it? |
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| 04:58.45 | jm | don't know. I don't really use the web interface much.. |
| 04:59.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | I wonder what he means with tree-structure, too |
| 04:59.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | apt-cache rdepends and apt-rdepends output looks rather similar to me |
| 04:59.28 | jm | is it too unreasonable to ask for apt-rdepends functionality with the formatting of apt-cache depends? :-) |
| 04:59.37 | jm | CutMeOwnThroat: they do, but apt-cache depends isn't recursive |
| 04:59.52 | jm | and apt-rdepends isn't in a tree |
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| 05:00.20 | jm | maybe this doesn't exist because recursive dependencies could go to so many levels that the tree may be larger than some terminal geometry allows for |
| 05:00.36 | jpinx-eeepc | jm depends could get huge |
| 05:00.39 | jm | s/larger/wider/ |
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| 05:00.48 | jm | yeah, but in most cases it's not |
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| 05:01.18 | jpinx-eeepc | maybe that's why they stop at 2nd level |
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| 05:01.26 | Jordan_U | With I'm getting an error about not being able to mkfs.ext3 when trying to install within qemu using http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/mini.iso |
| 05:01.33 | jm | it'd be nice if you could specify a number of levels |
| 05:01.41 | jm | or tell it that you want a recursive listing anyway |
| 05:02.01 | jpinx-eeepc | jm like --max-depth |
| 05:02.16 | jm | exactly |
| 05:02.23 | jm | find is what I was thinking of |
| 05:02.50 | jm | well it's --maxdepth, but I knew what you were saying |
| 05:03.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | are you on squeeze? |
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| 05:09.20 | jm | CutMeOwnThroat, yeah |
| 05:09.27 | jm | on the machine I was trying to do this on, anyway |
| 05:09.42 | jm | I manage some lenny boxes too, though |
| 05:10.10 | topangea | What's the easiest way to read /usr/share/doc files that are .Debian.gz? |
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| 05:10.30 | jm | using find /usr/share/doc -iname \*.Debian.gz |
| 05:10.47 | jm | in that case you wouldn't need to capitalize the d though |
| 05:10.48 | topangea | no, I mean actually read the contents of the file |
| 05:10.54 | jm | all of them? |
| 05:10.57 | jm | oh |
| 05:10.58 | topangea | particular ones |
| 05:10.58 | jm | zless |
| 05:11.03 | jm | use zless |
| 05:11.06 | topangea | oh, ok :) |
| 05:11.21 | topangea | nice |
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| 05:11.21 | topangea | thanks |
| 05:11.26 | jm | you could always zcat file.gz | your_favorite_pager as well |
| 05:11.37 | jm | but the standard way is using zless |
| 05:11.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | jm, does apt-cache depends print something different in squeeze? |
| 05:11.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | than in lenny? |
| 05:12.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | the apt-cache of squeeze... than... etc. |
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| 05:12.36 | jm | well, scratch that. the machine I was trying to do this one is actually lenny. |
| 05:13.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, I still don't see any tree structure in apt-caches output... |
| 05:13.14 | jm | I forgot my friend's mail server is lenny.. it's the web server / shell machine that's squeeze. |
| 05:13.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | not anymore than in apt-rdepends, that is |
| 05:13.46 | jm | yeah you're right. I don't know what I was seeing... |
| 05:13.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually, I can use 'less' to read them... and lesspipe takes care of unpacking |
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| 05:14.40 | jm | I don't know what I was thinking of, then. I've seen some debian utility output a tree structure |
| 05:14.59 | jm | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=414579 |
| 05:15.04 | jm | like what's listed in that post |
| 05:15.06 | jm | at the very beginning |
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| 05:15.47 | jm | perhaps running aptitude in ncurses mode does that, but I've never really learned how to use that |
| 05:17.18 | mamalujo | hi! disk usage analyzer tells me 1gb of space is used on my /home. gparted says ext3 partition mounted on /home is 3.23 gb. yet, file manager and gparted say 3gb is occupied. where could the rest be and how to recover it? |
| 05:18.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | jm, just call "aptitude" and press enter on a package? |
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| 05:20.30 | jm | CutMeOwnThroat: ah, yeah. but not fully expanded, and therefore not recursive, until you select each unexpanded dependency.. |
| 05:20.38 | jm | but yeah that's where I've seen the tree format |
| 05:20.40 | jm | I figured that it was |
| 05:21.13 | jm | actually, it doesn't even expand the dependencies when you press enter on them.. hrm |
| 05:21.49 | jm | I haven't used aptitude in ncurses mode at all since... probably 2003 or so |
| 05:22.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | "Package ->; Information" |
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| 05:22.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | there was no aptitude in 2003, was there? |
| 05:23.07 | jm | I don't know. I remember dselect as well. |
| 05:23.17 | jm | it was somewhere around there, though |
| 05:23.30 | jpinx-eeepc | it was apt-get back then |
| 05:23.50 | jm | jpinx-eeepc, nah I think aptitude more or less replaced dselect |
| 05:24.05 | jm | that was the standard curses apt program |
| 05:24.15 | Dewi | dselect seems longer ago than 2003 to me |
| 05:24.20 | Dewi | more like 90s |
| 05:24.28 | Dewi | I hated it |
| 05:24.32 | jm | I did too |
| 05:24.55 | Dewi | it was my first debian experience, so I tried others. They were broken so I came back and sucked it up and I'm still here |
| 05:24.58 | Dewi | :P |
| 05:25.10 | Dewi | (other distros I mean) |
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| 05:26.31 | jm | aptitude's curses mode was definitely a vast improvement over dselect, but that isn't saying much :-) |
| 05:26.55 | jm | the whole thing was more counterintuitive to learn than vi ever was for me |
| 05:27.46 | Dewi | most of vi's problem is its reputation |
| 05:28.02 | Dewi | all those years I avoided it, then picked it up in 20 mins by typing 'vimtutor' |
| 05:28.04 | jpinx-eeepc | aptitude came in with sarge 2003 http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/ |
| 05:28.46 | jm | these days, I sometimes find myself accidentally typing vi commands in programs like microsoft word |
| 05:28.54 | jm | because I've become so used to it |
| 05:29.11 | NotLim | jm: XD |
| 05:29.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | I just find myself typing ctrl-a a lot |
| 05:29.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | which then marks all text, dammit |
| 05:29.47 | Dewi | jm: I don't consider it a problem until I start trying to :q people on irc |
| 05:29.55 | Dewi | jm: or :bd |
| 05:30.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | or ctrl-e, which does something weird with indenting |
| 05:30.31 | Dewi | CutMeOwnThroat: actually that reminds me, the worst is browsers. Ctrl-a and ctrl-w are very, very dangerous |
| 05:30.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | ctrl-w erases the word to the left in _my_ iceweasel |
| 05:31.04 | jm | heh |
| 05:31.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | at least when i'm in a textbox |
| 05:31.15 | Dewi | CutMeOwnThroat: in mine it loses everything I just spent half an hour writing |
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| 05:31.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | not true! |
| 05:31.36 | Jordan_U | With I'm getting an error about not being able to mkfs.ext3 when trying to install within qemu using http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/mini.iso |
| 05:31.36 | Dewi | CutMeOwnThroat: I'm not talking about iceweasel :) |
| 05:31.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | history ->Recently closed tabs |
| 05:31.50 | Dewi | CutMeOwnThroat: I don't use X much |
| 05:31.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | ah, ok |
| 05:32.08 | Dewi | CutMeOwnThroat: that works okay as long as the cache time hasn't expired |
| 05:32.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | well... if you don't notice immediately you didn't want to close that tab, it wasn't important anyway |
| 05:33.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | with I'm? |
| 05:33.32 | Dewi | CutMeOwnThroat: nah cache time was measured from when you loaded the page, not when you closed it |
| 05:33.49 | Dewi | CutMeOwnThroat: so ironically the longer you edited something the more likely you were to lose it :) |
| 05:33.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | is it? |
| 05:33.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | sounds weird |
| 05:34.13 | Dewi | CutMeOwnThroat: it depended on the web app. I'm thinking of things like mediawiki/wikipedia several years ago |
| 05:34.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | I actually did manage to lose >half an hour editing in a textbox |
| 05:34.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | to some crappy javascript timeout which logged me out and loaded a new page |
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| 05:35.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | Dewi, well, there's "it's all text" - wish I'd have used it in that case |
| 05:35.25 | Dewi | CutMeOwnThroat: I never had much luck with those. There's a decent FF one nowadays tho |
| 05:35.59 | Dewi | hmm, maybe that is it |
| 05:36.06 | Dewi | I don't remember |
| 05:37.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | jm, you might want "apt-cache dotty pkg" and go from that |
| 05:38.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | argh, no |
| 05:38.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think that doesn't take a package name |
| 05:39.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, it does... guess those dependencies are rather extensive :) |
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| 05:41.59 | samantha-c | so both websites hosted on my box with apache are serving malware, indicating a server compromise. however, none of the apache configs appear to have been tampered with, nor the index.html/php files, and i can't find the text it's sending in mysql (leading me to believe it's not a mysql injection -- and one of the sites doesn't use mysql anyway). where do i look for this? |
| 05:42.46 | Dewi | samantha-c: logs |
| 05:43.12 | Dewi | samantha-c: most attacks involve a lot of very suspicious looking requests in apache logs |
| 05:44.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | if it's not via a database, there must be the file containing the stuff somewhere, no? |
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| 05:44.53 | samantha-c | there must be but i can't find it. they haven't jacked with my files, they don't appear to have jacked with the virtualhost files |
| 05:45.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | sounds weird |
| 05:45.19 | Dewi | samantha-c: what backend does the app use? |
| 05:45.27 | samantha-c | and i don't see anything in the logs. |
| 05:45.44 | Dewi | samantha-c: of course, if somebody totally owns you, they don't need storage. Could easily serve malware from remote if they want |
| 05:45.57 | samantha-c | dewi: one is Cacti, which uses mysql. the other is a static page, just an index. |
| 05:45.59 | Dewi | samantha-c: or PHP temp space |
| 05:46.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | I guess you have a concrete url of malware that is served? |
| 05:46.16 | samantha-c | dewi: it's an iframe attack, so the payload isn't local. but it's being referred to somehow. |
| 05:46.32 | samantha-c | yeah it's an off-site IE trojan |
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| 05:46.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | so you're not serving the malware... |
| 05:46.41 | Dewi | samantha-c: so this iframe is in the served static index but not in the static index on disk? |
| 05:46.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | you're only linking to it |
| 05:46.49 | samantha-c | Dewi: yes. |
| 05:46.54 | spersaud | I want to get an external hd, 1.5TB western digital. |
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| 05:47.17 | spersaud | can I change the file system on it ? and if so what are my options ? |
| 05:47.27 | Dewi | samantha-c: apache can include configs from many files, maybe an include is including something bad? |
| 05:47.41 | Dewi | samantha-c: or apache binaries have been hacked |
| 05:47.43 | samantha-c | spersaud: most externals come formatted NTFS. you can change it to whatever you want. |
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| 05:48.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | spersaud, of course... ext3/xfs/reiser |
| 05:48.07 | spersaud | samantha-c: can I use ZFS filesytem with DEBIAN and Windows ? |
| 05:48.19 | Dewi | spersaud: zfs isn't supported by debian or windows |
| 05:48.29 | spersaud | oh ok |
| 05:48.32 | samantha-c | spersaud: Your choices with Windows are NTFS or FAT32. And you don't want FAT32 on a drive that large. |
| 05:48.59 | samantha-c | Well, maybe you do, but Windows won't format a FAT32 drive that large. you'd have to format it in Linux. |
| 05:49.22 | spersaud | samantha-c: not fat32, maybe ntfs ... even that sucks |
| 05:49.27 | mamalujo | hi! disk usage analyzer tells me 1gb of space is used on my /home. gparted says ext3 partition mounted on /home is 3.23 gb. yet, file manager and gparted say 3gb is occupied. where could the rest be and how to recover it? |
| 05:49.53 | samantha-c | spersaud: then your choice is ntfs or ntfs. btw, the default debian installs don't do read/write to ntfs. have a nice day. |
| 05:50.01 | Dewi | spersaud / samantha-c : suit yourselves, but I'm still more comfortable with fat32 unless I need security |
| 05:50.14 | Dewi | it can go up to 2TB |
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| 05:50.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | samantha-c, but then, the default install doesn't do a lot of anything :) |
| 05:50.39 | samantha-c | Dewi: can't handle files over 2gb, ergo, no DVD isos |
| 05:50.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell spersaud -about ntfs-3g |
| 05:50.55 | Dewi | samantha-c: yeah, that's the main annoyance. |
| 05:50.58 | samantha-c | CutMeOwnThroat: true but if he's asking a question like that changes are he hasn't jacked with it a lot. |
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| 05:51.15 | spersaud | CutMeOwnThroat: I know about that |
| 05:51.32 | spersaud | isnt there some kind of driver to use EXT3 in Windows ? |
| 05:51.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | then run along |
| 05:51.44 | Dewi | samantha-c: default debian can definitely read ntfs these days, not sure about write |
| 05:52.16 | samantha-c | spersaud: there is one for windows that will do ext2 but will not jack with the journal on ext3. when i tried it, it was god-awful slow. tin cans and a string bent around a doorframe was faster. |
| 05:52.28 | spersaud | CutMeOwnThroat: you are mean, mmm mmmm mmmm mmmm |
| 05:52.32 | samantha-c | Dewi: by default, write is disabled. |
| 05:52.40 | samantha-c | spersaud: he's nice compared to me. |
| 05:52.42 | Dewi | samantha-c: ntfs-3g is goddamn slow too you know |
| 05:52.56 | Dewi | but I haven't tried ext in windows, it all looked pretty bad |
| 05:53.21 | samantha-c | it is bad. i just format everything ext3 and use samba. |
| 05:53.36 | samantha-c | it's way easier than any other alternative i can think of. |
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| 05:53.43 | spersaud | fs-driver.org |
| 05:53.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | samantha-c, hmm.. I wonder you could a) use wget from localhost to get the file and possibly use something like strace -F -f -e open on apache2 to see what files are accessed (supposing there's no database= |
| 05:54.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | generally, I feel you have supplied by far not enough data to give meaningful hints |
| 05:54.55 | samantha-c | CutMeOwnThroat: Please feel free to ask for clarification because, aside from manually reviewing every file in /etc/apache2 (which i was doing a moment ago), i'm confused too |
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| 05:55.07 | Dewi | samantha-c: yep. Personally I do everything via samba, and if I don't have a linux machine, vmware one |
| 05:55.17 | Dewi | samantha-c: slow but at least you know it works |
| 05:55.32 | Dewi | but that solution wouldn't be for everyone :P |
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| 05:56.00 | samantha-c | CutMeOwnThroat: aaaaand ... after restarting apache, it's gone. |
| 05:56.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | interesting |
| 05:56.12 | Dewi | samantha-c: apache exploit? |
| 05:56.21 | samantha-c | Dewi: that's what i'm thinking but i haven't found it yet. |
| 05:56.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | Dewi, apache has no exploits |
| 05:56.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | :-P |
| 05:56.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | well-known fact |
| 05:56.41 | samantha-c | CutMeOwnThroat: kind of like bind and sendmail, eh? |
| 05:56.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | more kind of NOT like sendmail |
| 05:57.16 | spersaud | samantha-c: thanks for answering my question, are you female as your name implies ? |
| 05:57.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | the bugs are normally in modules |
| 05:57.37 | samantha-c | spersaud: are you as big a jackass as your name implies? |
| 05:57.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | kids, kids... |
| 05:57.50 | spersaud | samantha-c: no |
| 05:58.02 | Dewi | that's what I would have said |
| 05:58.17 | spersaud | samantha-c: forget about it, bye ... mean people here tonight, IM SENSITIVE |
| 05:58.25 | Dewi | kay |
| 05:58.26 | samantha-c | <snort> and we were nice to him. |
| 05:58.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | I still havent figured out, why I was mean... |
| 05:58.43 | samantha-c | answered his question, what else does he want? love and blowjobs? |
| 05:58.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, who doesn'T |
| 05:59.15 | samantha-c | well my kids don't. yet at least. they're 6 6 and 8. at least i hope they don't. |
| 05:59.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | I guess this is the moment, where I mention #debian-offtopic |
| 05:59.30 | prince_jammys | no love? |
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| 06:00.30 | samantha-c | i would hazard a guess at an apache exploit but i know of no open ones on lenny. |
| 06:00.52 | Bop | anyone knows a way of making a usb bootable xp instalation under linux ? |
| 06:01.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | with lots of sweat and tears |
| 06:01.19 | samantha-c | Bop: a usb ... what? |
| 06:01.33 | Bop | do u want me to repeat , samantha-c ? |
| 06:01.48 | samantha-c | Bop: I want you to clarify. Drive? stick? card reader? |
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| 06:01.59 | Bop | usb pen |
| 06:02.10 | samantha-c | Bop: So that in theory you can boot a different machine with this pen? |
| 06:02.17 | samantha-c | i.e., portable windows? |
| 06:02.21 | Bop | no |
| 06:02.27 | Bop | xp instalation |
| 06:02.38 | Bop | like , laptop without cd-rom ? |
| 06:02.50 | samantha-c | oh. there are howtos you can google. "windows xp install usb stick" is where i'd start. |
| 06:02.59 | Bop | yeah , i've done it |
| 06:03.07 | Bop | so far , only windows how tos |
| 06:03.35 | Bop | and vbox-ose doesnt work with usb , so im kinda stuck |
| 06:04.43 | samantha-c | oh. now i understand what you want. yeah, you're in a pickle. |
| 06:06.45 | samantha-c | bop: vmware? |
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| 06:07.59 | xiangfu | Hi are there any Chinese?? |
| 06:08.14 | Bop | samantha-c, vbox-ose |
| 06:08.18 | Bop | virtualbxo |
| 06:08.22 | NotLim | i don't think so |
| 06:08.26 | NotLim | maybe freenode is banned |
| 06:08.27 | NotLim | :D |
| 06:08.38 | xiangfu | :-) |
| 06:08.47 | samantha-c | Bop: You said it doesn't support USB. VMWare does. Ergo, VMware w/XP guest, and then built your USB stick in that. |
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| 06:09.00 | acathur | xiangfu: /msg dpkg cn |
| 06:09.10 | Bop | samantha-c, i wont install vmware just to make a usb pen -.- |
| 06:09.19 | samantha-c | oooookay then. |
| 06:11.02 | xiangfu | I want ask help in review Debain package source code. |
| 06:11.18 | xiangfu | I can not find a local group of debian in China. |
| 06:12.15 | prince_jammys | !cn |
| 06:12.15 | dpkg | well, cn is China, or for help in chinese please join irc.oftc.net #debian-zh, Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see http://tinyurl.com/8yrj9 | Qt/KDE è¿æ¸¡æå¼å§ï¼è¯¦æ请é读 |
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| 06:12.52 | xiangfu | thanks prince_jammys |
| 06:12.56 | prince_jammys | welcome |
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| 06:13.26 | xiangfu | 18 people in #debian-zh#oftc.net |
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| 06:13.38 | samantha-c | xiangfu: and? |
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| 06:15.44 | xiangfu | samantha-c: I will try to ask help in debian-zh. I want find some Chinese Debian maintainers. or Chinese sponsor. |
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| 06:16.27 | xiangfu | samantha-c: because my English is not good. so I want start with Chinese Debian people :-) |
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| 06:16.59 | pabs3 | hi xiangfu :) I reviewed your xburst package on debian-mentors btw |
| 06:17.06 | kingsley | xiangfu: Have you searched Google? |
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| 06:17.14 | xiangfu | pabs3: thanks |
| 06:18.16 | xiangfu | kingsley: no. googling now. |
| 06:18.40 | xiangfu | pabs3: I upload a new version yesterday. |
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| 06:20.11 | pabs3 | which package/device is at fault in this situation? monitor (with speakers) connected to Debian squeeze computer via DVI. GNOME set to lock and put the display to sleep after 1 minute. rhythmbox running in the background playing music through DVI to the speaker monitors. when screen gets blanked, the audio is no longer heard but I want it to continue |
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| 06:21.27 | xiangfu | pabs3: if you have any advice just let me know. that will really help for me :-) |
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| 06:22.06 | kingsley | pabs3: I do not know for sure, but I think maybe gnome or xscreensaver might be configured to continue playing audio after it blanks the screen. |
| 06:22.15 | pabs3 | xiangfu: best discuss packaging stuff on #debian-mentors on OFTC btw |
| 06:22.31 | xiangfu | pabs3: thanks. |
| 06:23.24 | pabs3 | kingsley: doesn't seem to have audio settings |
| 06:24.07 | kingsley | pabs3: Maybe you could find an answer by searching Google's indices with clever keywords. |
| 06:24.48 | dabreegster | I copied my / partition to another drive, trying to fix grub2. Got it on the mbr just fine, but how do I regenerate grub.cfg with the right device strings and such? Currently in knoppix, ran grub-install correctly, but grub-mkconfig from knoppix or my chroot both say "cant find device for /, is /dev mounted" |
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| 06:28.39 | wols | dabreegster: are you inside a chroot? |
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| 06:28.51 | wols | if so, you need to bind mount /dev and /proc into that chroot |
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| 06:29.14 | azteech | pabs3, it would be my guess that what is at fault it the monitor .. when you told it to do a shut down after one minute, it totally shuts down all feed across the DVI |
| 06:29.17 | wols | and you really need to use grub-mkconfig from debian of course. |
| 06:29.51 | dabreegster | wols: mount --bind /dev/ /mnt/dev gave the generic fail message, nothing in dmesg or syslog. I got grub-mkconfig, ran apt-get update from knoppix and it pulled from debian mirrors |
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| 06:30.08 | wols | what fail message? |
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| 06:31.37 | dabreegster | wols: Ah, it's probably because /dev exists, but mount says there's no entry for it.. knoppix just creates it. The error is "wrong fs type, bad option... or other error" |
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| 06:32.19 | samantha-c | god i love my slideshow wallpaper. |
| 06:34.18 | dabreegster | Does the debian live cd have a separate /dev mountpoint I can bind? |
| 06:34.23 | pabs3 | azteech: that sounds probable, I think that Linux should know that both audio and display go over the DVI link and not shut it down when one is still on |
| 06:34.33 | Lazy^ | Hello, Does this mean that my home-lan.local is sending multicastdns packets to outside (internet) 09:32:51.550428 IP home-lan.local.mdns > 224.0.0.251.mdns: 0*- [0q] 3/0/0 (Cache flush) |
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| 06:37.22 | azteech | pabs3, I would agree. And linux normally does. However, if the manufacturer blocks access to certain programming features, then Linux interfaces with the DVI in what ever manner the programming will allow it to follow ... |
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| 06:37.53 | samantha-c | 100mb seedbox ftw. |
| 06:38.10 | azteech | this is probably another one of those ... blame the manufacturers for not giving full access to their APIs .. |
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| 06:39.06 | tuv | does the backup user do anything by default in debian? or am i free to mess with it? |
| 06:40.34 | pabs3 | azteech: yay :( |
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| 06:44.24 | azteech | pabs3, some monitors have built in timers ... have you looked to see if yours does? if it does, have you tried setting it to get the same effect .. instead of using a linux power save timeer? |
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| 06:49.10 | pabs3 | azteech: doesn't seem to. yay non-free firmware blobs :) |
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| 06:53.11 | azteech | tuv, I would say you should leave the backup operator group alone .. it does server a purpose for backup/restore rights .... |
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| 06:55.13 | azteech | pabs3, sorry .. 'twas just a thought on my part ... |
| 06:55.32 | ikawe | is there a sid channel? |
| 06:56.00 | jpinx-eeepc | ikawe: sid is not really supported |
| 06:56.04 | jpinx-eeepc | !sid |
| 06:56.04 | dpkg | sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. Sid is the destructive kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in; sid is not supported in #debian because sid users should be able to solve their own problems. Sid will never be released. See also <sid faq> <unstable>. |
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| 06:56.53 | jpinx-eeepc | ikawe: you can ask here and maybe....... |
| 06:57.04 | tuv | how do i find out if a numeric uid is ever used-by/reserved-for a debian package |
| 06:57.23 | tuv | or is it safe to assume uid's > 100 are free? |
| 06:57.46 | ikawe | jpinx-eeepc: thanks. |
| 06:58.19 | ikawe | I recently updated kernel and grub, both of which went through the process of regenerating initrd images and the grub.conf |
| 06:58.34 | liable | tuv: http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/usersid.htm |
| 06:59.00 | ikawe | upon the next reboot, I'm met with error: file not found. \n Loading Linux 2.6.32-5-6868; error: out of partition |
| 06:59.16 | ikawe | I'm using a crypt filesystem and LVM |
| 07:00.10 | ikawe | Though I'm not sure that the crypt/LVM is relevant, because it seems like it's not even finding the kernel (which is in /boot, which is of course not encrypted) |
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| 07:01.58 | nfrs | hi |
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| 07:02.54 | azteech | ikawe .. see if this article helps you any ... http://johnleach.co.uk/words/archives/2006/12/06/245/encrypted-partitions-with-ubuntudebian |
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| 07:05.04 | azteech | ikawe, it is an older article .. but, when I did a quick search for error: out of partition, that popped up in search ... and since you mentioned encrypted lvm .. it might help .. |
| 07:06.24 | ikawe | thanks azteech: that seems mostly just to be a HOWTO set it up, but it doesn't seem to offer anything useful to my situation |
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| 07:06.58 | MrNaz_yma | default root account in debian 5 does not provide colours in bash... how to i get colours in bas for things like ls etc ? |
| 07:07.10 | rubin110 | Question, I have a really new mother board, and after reading a bit it sounds like I need to run a bleeding edge kernel. How would one go about install any release of debian when I need the latest kernel? |
| 07:08.13 | jpinx-eeepc | rubin110: the kernel is not entirely release dependent - you can aptitude install a newer kernel even in stable |
| 07:08.22 | azteech | ikawe: np :) |
| 07:08.37 | rubin110 | jpinx-eeepc: Yes, but I don't think I can even boot an installer on this board. |
| 07:09.17 | pabs3 | rubin110: /msg dpkg kmuto |
| 07:09.42 | jpinx-eeepc | rubin110: /msg dpkg install and look for usb install methods maybe? |
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| 07:12.42 | rubin110 | pabs3: The board I have has an H55 chipset, Google tells me I need .33 t oget it to go. |
| 07:13.01 | rubin110 | Never mind, .34 |
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| 07:13.41 | pabs3 | .34 is in experimental, but that doesn't help with d-i :( |
| 07:14.08 | jpinx-eeepc | rubin110: /msg dpkg kernel |
| 07:14.40 | rubin110 | Ok? |
| 07:14.52 | pabs3 | rubin110: you could install on another system and transfer the disk over I guess |
| 07:15.16 | jpinx-eeepc | rubin110: or use a live CD? |
| 07:16.18 | jpinx-eeepc | rubin110: from comments here I believe it is possible to run a live CD and use that to start an install on the hdd |
| 07:16.40 | wiretapped | jpinx-eeepc: which live cd? |
| 07:16.49 | wiretapped | ubuntu? lucid has .33... |
| 07:16.51 | wiretapped | hides |
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| 07:17.07 | jpinx-eeepc | rubin110: /msg dpkg live |
| 07:17.14 | xy | I can't copy and paste text from 1 terminal emu. to another, or from terminal emu. to any GUI application. I've installed autocutsel and starting it from .xinitrc, how to rectify the problem? |
| 07:17.17 | bvk | how to get list of build-deps of a package? |
| 07:17.30 | pabs3 | jpinx-eeepc: I doubt that includes kernels from experimental? |
| 07:17.37 | jpinx-eeepc | bvk: in packages.debian.org |
| 07:17.59 | jpinx-eeepc | pabs3: no, but it allows an install maybe, and then upgrade the kernel |
| 07:18.55 | rubin110 | jpinx-eeepc: Could you stop pasting me /msg commands to your bot. |
| 07:18.57 | rubin110 | Please. |
| 07:18.58 | rubin110 | Thanks. |
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| 07:22.20 | jpinx-eeepc | rubin110: it is not my bot - it is the most useful information repository for debian |
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| 07:22.36 | wiretapped | jpinx-eeepc: LOL |
| 07:23.00 | rubin110 | Great! I know how to make a live CD and what the current kernel is. |
| 07:23.07 | jpinx-eeepc | wishes he knew 1% of what's in that bot |
| 07:23.07 | wiretapped | prefers www.debian-administration.org |
| 07:24.36 | ethanol | mornin' people |
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| 07:42.15 | lvh | Hey. I'm trying to do apt pinning: does the "stable" in release a=stable have to be the same text as the first thing after the URL in sources.list? |
| 07:42.34 | lvh | eg, is it a=stable even when the deb line says "lenny"? similarly, testing/squeeze? |
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| 07:44.09 | pabs3 | lvh: apt doesn't yet support pinning on "lenny" only "stable", no matter what is in sources.list |
| 07:44.43 | jpinx-eeepc | lvh: I am not 100% sure in pinning, but as a general rule it is safer to name releases by name rather than generically "stable" et seq.. |
| 07:45.06 | jpinx-eeepc | Ah - pabs3 knows more :) |
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| 07:46.26 | pabs3 | jpinx-eeepc, lvh: #433624 |
| 07:46.51 | lvh | pabs3: Aha! Cool, thanks |
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| 07:47.04 | lvh | pabs3: I was confused because that's how Ubuntu does it (a=hardy) |
| 07:47.28 | pabs3 | wishes pinning on codenames were possible |
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| 07:48.16 | pabs3 | lvh: they use hardy for both suite and codename it seems |
| 07:48.31 | lvh | pabs3: Oh, right. Yes, that explains a lot. |
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| 07:50.47 | pabs3 | wishes they had normal suite names |
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| 07:51.43 | elnur__ | When trying to connect to ssh, I get the following: too many authentication failures for blah-blah-blah |
| 07:52.00 | elnur__ | How to remove me from the ban list or what else is that? |
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| 07:53.21 | elnur__ | nvm. solved it |
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| 07:54.11 | nfrs | is Squeeze suitable for regular production use (not military, government or such)? |
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| 07:57.01 | deco | what are the settings once has to add to xorg.conf to disable a laptop's touchpad tapping ? |
| 07:57.26 | deco | s/once/one |
| 07:57.27 | jpinx-eeepc | nfrs: not really stable enough for a public server - try stable with backports |
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| 07:58.53 | nfrs | jpinx-eeepc: is there a way to see the packages in backports? packages.debian.org doesn't seem to have it |
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| 08:00.12 | jpinx-eeepc | nfrs: backports.org |
| 08:00.31 | nfrs | haha, nice domain name :) |
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| 08:01.17 | nfrs | jpinx-eeepc: thanks. the package that I'm interested in is not there, however... |
| 08:02.09 | pabs3 | nfrs: packages.debian.org lists stuff from backports.org too |
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| 08:02.28 | nfrs | pabs3: ah, right, thanks |
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| 08:03.07 | pabs3 | hopes backports will be integrated onto debian.org sometime soon |
| 08:03.11 | iceroot | iceweasel on amd64 is build with amd64? or is it the 32bit version? |
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| 08:03.46 | wols | iceroot: file <iceweasel-bin> tells you (but it'S 64bit) |
| 08:04.00 | iceroot | wols: yes its great to use that on i386... |
| 08:04.51 | wols | if if were 32bit you wouldn't have so many problems with flash plugins and the like :) |
| 08:05.19 | iceroot | java is the bigger problem |
| 08:05.26 | wols | pabs3: it never will be integrated. that would totally miss the point of backports. what happens is, a new debian version will come out |
| 08:05.44 | wols | pabs3: which has the software in backports, or even newer versions |
| 08:05.50 | wols | iceroot: 64bit java is there, no? |
| 08:06.00 | wols | java being Free now and all |
| 08:06.02 | pabs3 | wols: I mean putting lenny-backports on ftp.debian.org, which is planned by the ftpmasters |
| 08:06.12 | jpinx-eeepc | pabs3: squeeze will be frozen sometime reasonably soon and you will have your sns ;) |
| 08:06.20 | pabs3 | sns? |
| 08:06.21 | iceroot | wols: atm i am using firefox (32bit) on amd64 and java 32bit plugin which is not working with ssl stuff |
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| 08:06.41 | iceroot | wols: and i mean firefox, not iceweasel |
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| 08:07.36 | jpinx-eeepc | !sns |
| 08:07.37 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
| 08:07.46 | jpinx-eeepc | pabs3: âââ |
| 08:08.05 | courpse | Anyone with experiance with multi gpu xorg.conf files? |
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| 08:08.39 | pabs3 | anyone going to DebConf11 in NYC? |
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| 08:09.26 | iceroot | pabs3: before its time for mini-debconf in berlin next week :) |
| 08:09.43 | jpinx-eeepc | !anyone |
| 08:09.43 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 08:10.50 | pabs3 | jpinx-eeepc: are you going to DebConf11? |
| 08:11.09 | jpinx-eeepc | no - it's a bit far for me ;) |
| 08:11.54 | wols | iceroot: why wouldn't 32bit ffox work with ssl? just a question of having proper libraries |
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| 08:13.37 | pabs3 | jpinx-eeepc: you seem to be in Thailand? did you go to the Thai MiniDebConf in Khon Kaen? |
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| 08:14.14 | jpinx-eeepc | pabs3: appearances are not wrong (on this occasion) |
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| 08:16.31 | iceroot | wols: the sun-java6-jre/plugin is the problem if you run the 32bit version with firefox 32bit on a terminal server (without terminal server its running in that combo) on amd64 system |
| 08:16.49 | iceroot | wols: and i dont know why or what is the difference in that case running a terminal-server |
| 08:17.03 | iceroot | wols: the same for openjdk and so on |
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| 08:19.12 | wols | terminal-server? isn't that windows? |
| 08:19.32 | iceroot | no |
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| 08:21.15 | qat | hi there guys... some weird thing is happening to me.. with a clean desktop (first startup) all works fine, but at some point, the touchpad (synaptics) stops working until I delete my whole .gcong and .gconfd directories... any hint about what can I start searching? |
| 08:21.39 | qat | sorry, I meant .gconf and .gconfd |
| 08:22.10 | Dewi | qat: what are you doing right before it breaks? |
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| 08:22.41 | qat | Dewi, you mean which apps was I using? |
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| 08:23.07 | Dewi | qat: is it on startup, or during a session? |
| 08:23.44 | qat | Dewi, at startup... at gdm login, touchpad works... and once it starts loading desktop it stops responding |
| 08:23.46 | loopli | is it lynx the best for text browsing? |
| 08:24.03 | simonrvn | one of |
| 08:24.08 | labirinto1234 | i got a curier imap and squirellmail. when i try to login ERROR: Connection dropped by IMAP server. |
| 08:24.19 | jpinx-eeepc | loopli: links2 is my choice |
| 08:24.23 | simonrvn | loopli: most if not all the text browsers are good |
| 08:24.37 | simonrvn | i use w3m usually |
| 08:24.44 | simonrvn | or links2 or lynx |
| 08:25.11 | jpinx-eeepc | links2 has recently saved my ass ;) |
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| 08:29.30 | iceroot | wols: you can run a terminal-server on linux and windows, also very common is citrix as terminal-server |
| 08:29.32 | Andy-at-home | what software will let me see a list of packages and the amount of hard drive space they take up? |
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| 08:31.44 | isfranc | hello |
| 08:32.03 | isfranc | how to force, fail2ban create a file with ip ban ? |
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| 08:32.22 | isfranc | this file is read by another firewall system |
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| 08:33.53 | simonrvn | labirinto1234: see your courier logs it should say why |
| 08:33.56 | Guest34646 | hey guys anyone here |
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| 08:34.37 | labirinto1234 | but where i can find them ? |
| 08:35.02 | simonrvn | /var/log/... |
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| 08:35.16 | simonrvn | !grounding |
| 08:35.17 | dpkg | Before asking in here or on the debian-user mailing list, you should read the Installation Guide, or if you already have Debian installed, the Debian Reference. Ask me about <ig>, <reference>, <refcard>, <docs>, <manuals>, <fundamentals>, <newbiedoc>, <faq>, <unix lessons>, <general cli tutorial>. (e.g. in your IRC client, type /msg dpkg reference) |
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| 08:35.31 | simonrvn | !fundamentals |
| 08:35.32 | dpkg | You'll get more out of Debian and *nix if you learn some of the fundamentals. Read the "Unix and Internet Fundamentals" HOWTO at http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Unix-and-Internet-Fundamentals-HOWTO/index.html. Then, read the Debian Reference at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ See also <rute>. |
| 08:35.36 | Guest34646 | labirinto1234, hey there |
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| 08:35.52 | labirinto1234 | ofcourse but wichone |
| 08:35.58 | labirinto1234 | no curier name log |
| 08:36.13 | wols | mail.log, syslog |
| 08:36.26 | labirinto1234 | ok |
| 08:36.30 | labirinto1234 | thank's |
| 08:36.40 | labirinto1234 | i'am on it |
| 08:37.36 | labirinto1234 | uf no good looks |
| 08:37.38 | labirinto1234 | :) |
| 08:37.44 | Guest34646 | hey can someone say this in the channel "simonrvn: ubuntu rocks" |
| 08:37.49 | labirinto1234 | May 26 09:56:12 debian1 exim4: ALERT: exim paniclog /var/log/exim4/paniclog has non-zero size, mail system possibly broken |
| 08:38.03 | labirinto1234 | i got installed postfix |
| 08:38.14 | simonrvn | um, obviously that's not courier ... |
| 08:38.25 | joltcan | labirinto1234: that means that you should read the paniclog, clear it and then restart exim |
| 08:38.29 | iceroot | labirinto1234: cat /var/log/exim4/paniclog |
| 08:39.01 | simonrvn | labirinto1234: exim and postfix do smtp (and others), but not imap |
| 08:39.05 | Guest34646 | hey can someone say this "<Guest34646> simonrvn: ubuntu rocks" |
| 08:39.20 | Guest34646 | thanks |
| 08:39.22 | loopli | where is conf file to set display reslution and color depth (using terminal)? |
| 08:39.28 | labirinto1234 | 2010-05-25 10:47:46 Exim configuration error in line 28 of /var/lib/exim4/config.autogenerated.tmp: |
| 08:39.28 | labirinto1234 | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:39.59 | Guest34646 | hey can someone say this "<Guest34646> simonrvn: ubuntu rocks" |
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| 08:40.22 | wols | Guest34646: stop that |
| 08:40.31 | poona | Hi. Have a question. I wanted to know if there is an distributed computing framework written in c? |
| 08:41.20 | simonrvn | aren't they usually? ;) |
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| 08:41.42 | Guest34646 | wols, think he has me on ignore |
| 08:43.13 | labirinto1234 | any idea? how i can fix that? |
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| 08:44.21 | hid3 | Hello everyone. How do I generate the initrd image for my custom kernel? |
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| 08:45.54 | wols | hid3: dpkg-reconfigure your kernel package |
| 08:46.28 | wols | hid3: have you run your kernel compilage with make-kpkg? |
| 08:47.38 | labirinto1234 | simonrvn curier do imap |
| 08:47.38 | hid3 | wols: I'm not making it the debian way (not making any *.debs, etc) but the traditional kernel way. This is for my project and it will be used also on non-debian systems |
| 08:47.49 | hid3 | So no, I didn't run it with make-kpkg |
| 08:47.51 | simonrvn | labirinto1234: yes i know |
| 08:48.01 | simonrvn | but thank you anyway |
| 08:48.11 | labirinto1234 | :( |
| 08:48.23 | labirinto1234 | so problem is curier? |
| 08:49.51 | wols | labirinto1234: telnet localhost 143 |
| 08:50.05 | simonrvn | squirrelmail can't complete the connection for some reason. the courier log (whichever file it is) will say what; usually that msg is because auth failed for some reason unknown to squirrelmail |
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| 08:50.24 | wols | then: a10 login <username> <password> should tell you |
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| 08:50.33 | wols | labirinto1234: have you create a maildir for your user? |
| 08:51.28 | labirinto1234 | wols yes i had |
| 08:51.39 | labirinto1234 | i will try telnet |
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| 08:52.41 | labirinto1234 | wols Connected to localhost. |
| 08:52.41 | labirinto1234 | Escape character is '^]'. |
| 08:52.41 | labirinto1234 | * OK [CAPABILITY IMAP4rev1 UIDPLUS CHILDREN NAMESPACE THREAD=ORDEREDSUBJECT THREAD=REFERENCES SORT QUOTA IDLE ACL ACL2=UNION] Courier-IMAP ready. Copyright 1998-2008 Double Precision, Inc. See COPYING for distribution information |
| 08:52.53 | labirinto1234 | ups maybe pasbin sorry |
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| 08:53.05 | AHgPeuKa | Good day, need an a help, What is a name of program for debian like a - Daemon Tools ? |
| 08:53.29 | idimmu | AHgPeuKa: mount will let you mount isos on the filesystem |
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| 08:53.50 | AHgPeuKa | idimmu, only isos, or nrg can 2 ? |
| 08:54.10 | idimmu | i dont know of any linux apps that handle nero images |
| 08:54.31 | AHgPeuKa | idimmu, ok, thanx |
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| 08:54.51 | acathur | there's a nrg2iso package anyway |
| 08:54.51 | simonrvn | AHgPeuKa: apt-cache search daemon tools |
| 08:55.58 | labirinto1234 | wols how i can create maildir for user ? |
| 08:56.20 | wols | maildirmake or such it was afaik |
| 08:56.52 | wols | you create it in the user's home directory, named Maildir I think (long time since I used courier) |
| 08:57.27 | wols | !tell AHgPeuKa about mount iso |
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| 09:04.07 | labirinto1234 | wols i create maildir but still error no such file or directory |
| 09:04.21 | labirinto1234 | when i try telnet 143 |
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| 09:11.47 | wols | labirinto1234: ls -ld /home/<your mailuser>/maildir |
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| 09:48.39 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 09:48.39 | dpkg | <pickcoder> good grief.. why is it so tough to get usb cam working <abrotman> no one wants to see you |
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| 10:02.01 | petern_ | hmm, i have "PasswordAuthentication no" in my sshd_config, yet i can still login with passwords... |
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| 10:03.18 | cast | reloaded the conf? |
| 10:03.46 | petern_ | yes of course |
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| 10:05.25 | petern_ | hmm, PAMAuthenticationViaKbdInt no seems to be required now |
| 10:05.44 | petern_ | something must've changed in debian's pam set up (from etch -> lenny) |
| 10:06.05 | petern_ | /etc/ssh/sshd_config line 50: Deprecated option PAMAuthenticationViaKbdInt |
| 10:06.08 | petern_ | oh, maybe not :s |
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| 10:08.09 | samantha-c | my net pipe is too slow. blah. |
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| 10:10.28 | petern_ | hmm |
| 10:11.09 | petern_ | ChakllChallengeResponseAuthentication no |
| 10:11.10 | petern_ | er |
| 10:11.11 | petern_ | ChallengeResponseAuthentication no |
| 10:11.14 | petern_ | also required now |
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| 10:11.59 | liable | yeah, i was just gonna say that |
| 10:12.04 | liable | has been for a while now |
| 10:12.12 | liable | like, years |
| 10:12.26 | petern_ | yes, it seems to be default on fresh lenny installs, but not on installs upgraded from etch, or something |
| 10:13.43 | samantha-c | i need a slave. |
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| 10:14.51 | petern_ | hmm, maybe even earlier than etch then. pom te pom :) |
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| 10:17.00 | samantha-c | blah. i should have finished setting up that squeeze mirror. it would be done by now. and so would my install. :-( |
| 10:17.06 | britishseapower | hi all i've setup an account for a freind and he's having trouble getting ssh keys sorted for passwordless access |
| 10:17.24 | samantha-c | britishseapower: and? |
| 10:17.37 | britishseapower | in auth.log i see the message Accepted password for andy from and after that error: hash mismatch |
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| 10:17.59 | samantha-c | britishseapower: did you dump his public key into his ~/.ssh/authorized_keys file? |
| 10:18.21 | liable | and how did you do it? |
| 10:18.21 | britishseapower | he did that bit himself |
| 10:18.27 | britishseapower | has ssh access with a password |
| 10:18.33 | britishseapower | might have done it wrong i guess.. |
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| 10:18.47 | britishseapower | is there anything special i need his account to be |
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| 10:18.55 | britishseapower | i just did user add for him |
| 10:19.09 | britishseapower | and gave him a an additional group of "dev" |
| 10:19.19 | samantha-c | britishseapower: should be all on one line. also, authorized_keys should be chmod 600 |
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| 10:19.53 | samantha-c | britishseapower: if he used nano in its default configuration it might have wordwrapped. |
| 10:20.07 | britishseapower | oh my comments should all be on one line? sorry about that - noted. |
| 10:20.08 | liable | wtf does that rima user keep coming back with different usernames.. |
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| 10:20.24 | britishseapower | he can do the chmod himself on authorized keys ? |
| 10:20.37 | liable | yes |
| 10:20.41 | samantha-c | britishseapower: no, i mean, the entire string he picked up for his public key should be on a single line in authorized_keys |
| 10:20.55 | britishseapower | Why would he have used nano - afaik no edits of files required, just keys in the right place ? |
| 10:21.07 | britishseapower | oh, right, I see what you mean |
| 10:21.08 | samantha-c | britishseapower: authorized_keys is a text file. |
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| 10:21.56 | britishseapower | Ok, but as far as you know there shouldn't be anything else I need to do to allow him to setup passwordless access? |
| 10:22.14 | samantha-c | britishseapower: no. this is a user-side configuration error most likely. |
| 10:22.21 | britishseapower | ok |
| 10:22.47 | samantha-c | britishseapower: he's using putty probably? |
| 10:22.55 | liable | tell him to cat the file > authorized_keys |
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| 10:24.02 | amee2k | i have an ext3 file system. when i run df -h, why doesn't size=used+available add up? |
| 10:24.15 | samantha-c | amee2k: rounding error. welcome to hard drives. |
| 10:24.29 | liable | also reserved blocks? |
| 10:24.31 | amee2k | i'm missing 23 gigabytes |
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| 10:24.45 | liable | meep, how big is the drive? |
| 10:24.46 | amee2k | size is 459 (500GB disk) |
| 10:24.47 | samantha-c | amee2k: yeah, reserved blocks as well. 5% reserved blocks probably. is 23g about 5% of your drive, i.e., a 1t hard drive? |
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| 10:25.16 | samantha-c | oh, yeah, 500g |
| 10:25.18 | amee2k | oh, you're right. its 5% of the total size |
| 10:25.29 | samantha-c | amee2k: yeah, it's reserved blocks. you can tweak that with tune2fs |
| 10:25.39 | samantha-c | amee2k: i set mine to about 0.5% |
| 10:25.43 | samantha-c | amee2k: or lower. |
| 10:26.02 | liable | no real need for any if its not system really |
| 10:26.20 | amee2k | i'll probably do that... i have a separate system partition anyway that is large enough |
| 10:26.27 | amee2k | the 500G raid1 is my home partition |
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| 10:26.44 | samantha-c | liable: i only do it on non-system partitions, eg, user storage, where 25g per partition would be just wasted |
| 10:27.00 | samantha-c | liable: i'm root. i can take what i need, system reservation or not :) |
| 10:27.06 | liable | aye |
| 10:27.41 | amee2k | i think that reserve is intended to protect automated tasks from running out of disk space unexpectedly |
| 10:28.18 | samantha-c | amee2k: also i read something about ext2 wanting some space to help prevent fragmentation. dunno how relevant that is anymore, but i certainly know that 50g reservation on a 1t drive is a waste. |
| 10:28.45 | amee2k | indeed |
| 10:29.22 | amee2k | right. tha man page for tune2fs confirms both |
| 10:29.39 | cast | 5% is trivial :) |
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| 10:29.54 | samantha-c | amee2k: tune2fs will change that percentage for you and a format is not required |
| 10:29.59 | amee2k | look at the description of the -m option |
| 10:30.11 | patrick-1 | hey, do i need an ADSL Modem to dial up, or can i do it just via a network card? |
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| 10:31.04 | samantha-c | patrick-1: uh. you need a dsl modem. |
| 10:31.13 | patrick-1 | mhh |
| 10:31.16 | patrick-1 | okay |
| 10:31.26 | patrick-1 | thought ive seen people dialup just via nic |
| 10:31.34 | p0g0 | to do DSL...but if you are trying to connect to another modem, the ADSL device is the wrong tool. |
| 10:31.44 | amee2k | if they have a PPPOE modem or DSL router, they can |
| 10:31.50 | korhojoa | patrick-1: if you by dialup mean ppp then you can do pppoe |
| 10:32.05 | patrick-1 | i want to connect my server to my isp |
| 10:32.09 | samantha-c | it depends on how the rest of your system is set up. you haven't really described your existing network and what problem you're trying to solve ... so ... |
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| 10:32.53 | patrick-1 | ok |
| 10:32.57 | patrick-1 | i have 1 server |
| 10:32.58 | amee2k | okay, just set the reserve to 1% |
| 10:33.00 | patrick-1 | with 3 nics |
| 10:33.01 | p0g0 | if you have a DSL account, your device is trying to negotiate with a DSLAM, and a modem will not do that. |
| 10:33.03 | samantha-c | so you have another computer in your home and you want to connect both at once? |
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| 10:33.07 | amee2k | that freed up some space lol |
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| 10:33.55 | patrick-1 | 1 server with 3 nics. i thought i could use the first nic to dialup to the adsl provider and then the 2nd nic to use the connection |
| 10:34.02 | patrick-1 | to spread the signal to my lan |
| 10:34.14 | p0g0 | patrick-1: yes, you can do that |
| 10:34.16 | amee2k | oh, another question. what can i use with bash that expands to all files in a dir (including dot files) except for . and ..? |
| 10:34.21 | korhojoa | patrick-1: still. what is your connection? POTS dialup or DSL PPPOE? |
| 10:34.23 | patrick-1 | So another ADSL Modem is obsolete? |
| 10:34.32 | patrick-1 | i guess pppoe |
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| 10:34.43 | samantha-c | patrick-1: i'm not sure you understand enough about your system to really want to attempt this. |
| 10:34.46 | korhojoa | patrick-1: you can't use two on the same connection unless you've actualy got two accounts |
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| 10:35.01 | patrick-1 | samantha-c: i lack a bit of adsl knowledge :D |
| 10:35.02 | korhojoa | patrick-1: i suggest just plugging them all in the modem or buy a router |
| 10:35.04 | patrick-1 | nothein g else |
| 10:35.05 | samantha-c | i think what he wants is to set up a proxy |
| 10:35.13 | korhojoa | samantha-c: more like router |
| 10:35.15 | patrick-1 | a gateway |
| 10:35.17 | patrick-1 | to be exact |
| 10:35.18 | p0g0 | patrick-1: you are trying to set 1 nic up as a 'gateway', and 'route' packets from your lan to/from the gateway. you might want to read up on it. |
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| 10:35.27 | amee2k | just put a pppoe modem on some existing NIC. i highly doubt your DSL connection can saturate the connection |
| 10:35.34 | samantha-c | patrick-1: buy a linksys. way less trouble. |
| 10:35.38 | patrick-1 | i know :D all i need to know is if i need another adsk modem |
| 10:35.44 | patrick-1 | :D |
| 10:35.46 | korhojoa | patrick-1: no, you don't |
| 10:35.46 | amee2k | more like other traffic on the net pushing your ppp connection aside |
| 10:35.49 | patrick-1 | thanks :D |
| 10:35.49 | samantha-c | if you already have one, no, you don't. |
| 10:35.53 | p0g0 | patrick-1: if you have 1, that is al you need. |
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| 10:36.07 | patrick-1 | i think you dont understand :D |
| 10:36.19 | amee2k | iirc you can only sustain one outbound DSL connection per phone line anyway |
| 10:36.20 | samantha-c | scratches her head and wonders how such people even manage to get themselves onto IRC. |
| 10:36.32 | korhojoa | samantha-c: stolen wifi |
| 10:36.35 | patrick-1 | dont you think thats a bit rude? |
| 10:36.43 | p0g0 | patrick-1: your ADSL modem cannot act as the host to another aDSL modem |
| 10:36.45 | amee2k | no, not entirely. why? |
| 10:36.47 | patrick-1 | i think i lack the skill of explaining my problem. |
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| 10:37.10 | samantha-c | I think you lack the understanding of your problem necessary to explain it so that we can help you. There is a difference. And this is as polite as I get. |
| 10:37.13 | patrick-1 | I need to know if i can establish a connection to my ADSL Provider via the Phone line without a modem. |
| 10:37.20 | korhojoa | amee2k: you can sustain multiple, you just get limited speeds as they negotiate seperate connections (this does depend a bit on the type of DSLAM) |
| 10:37.37 | p0g0 | patrick-1: no, you cannot |
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| 10:37.50 | patrick-1 | so a NIC is not sufficient for the dialup process. |
| 10:37.53 | patrick-1 | a modem is needed. |
| 10:38.00 | samantha-c | ... yes. |
| 10:38.02 | patrick-1 | Thank you. As easy as it can get :) |
| 10:38.17 | p0g0 | patrick-1: the nic wires to the adsl modem, and that wires to the telco's DSLAM. |
| 10:38.18 | amee2k | i'd recommend you get a stand alone router though |
| 10:38.31 | patrick-1 | samantha-c: work on your attitude. |
| 10:38.40 | samantha-c | remember that it's bad form to lick the telephone wires, especially when the phone is ringing. |
| 10:38.41 | patrick-1 | no need to insult people seeking help. |
| 10:38.42 | korhojoa | patrick-1: i suggest you get a device that's got a router and modem built in. |
| 10:38.51 | Rienzilla | lol |
| 10:38.55 | Rienzilla | I did that once :) |
| 10:38.59 | patrick-1 | Nah, no need. |
| 10:39.01 | Rienzilla | it is a Bad Idea :) |
| 10:39.02 | amee2k | i don't think she needs help masturbating :P |
| 10:39.09 | cantido | amee2k: most consumer-grade adsl routers are total crap |
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| 10:39.21 | korhojoa | cantido: that's why you stick openwrt on them |
| 10:39.23 | p0g0 | The ring voltage on most telcos is c. 150 v |
| 10:39.40 | amee2k | cantido: i think thats the intention. cheap. ... and crap. |
| 10:39.41 | korhojoa | p0g0: it depends. ours is 90 |
| 10:39.43 | Rienzilla | I don't know but it hurts like HELL |
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| 10:39.52 | cast | p0g0: any current limiting? |
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| 10:39.55 | amee2k | CCC == cheap chinese crap :P |
| 10:40.05 | korhojoa | p0g0: and my grandma's, who is at the end of a long line of wire has got ~200 |
| 10:40.06 | p0g0 | korhojoa: yeah, it varies from telco to telco. |
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| 10:40.14 | samantha-c | the best router i ever had as an ascend pipeline. |
| 10:40.29 | samantha-c | way before luscent got ahold of em |
| 10:40.30 | cantido | korhojoa: openwrt is only good if you have enough ram/flash |
| 10:40.44 | amee2k | frizboxen are saud to be okay |
| 10:40.45 | korhojoa | cast: you can usually get ~100-800ma out of it |
| 10:40.45 | britishseapower | sorry for delay, was afk and offline - update from freind is bizarre "he claims" git is now gitting without asking him for a password (runs over ssh) yet a regular ssh still asks for passowrd ! |
| 10:40.51 | amee2k | they're expensive too however |
| 10:40.54 | korhojoa | cantido: well, with less flash, stick dd-wrt on it |
| 10:41.08 | korhojoa | the micro builds are pretty good |
| 10:41.11 | samantha-c | britishseapower: then his ssh client isn't set up to use his key. |
| 10:41.20 | samantha-c | britishseapower: is he using putty? |
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| 10:41.36 | cantido | got a ADSL-etherner modem for £2 from ebay... |
| 10:41.44 | britishseapower | no |
| 10:41.51 | britishseapower | samantha-c: not putty mac terminal |
| 10:41.51 | samantha-c | britishseapower: what's he using? |
| 10:42.13 | korhojoa | cantido: just plain adsl or adsl2/2+ ? |
| 10:42.25 | cantido | britishseapower: ssh -v <host> .. see what it says |
| 10:42.37 | cantido | korhojoa: adsl2/2+, getting 24mbit down |
| 10:42.38 | samantha-c | britishseapower: that's just a freebsd shell. if he's got his key generated correctly it should work. |
| 10:43.00 | britishseapower | cantido: he's done that earlier i have the output |
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| 10:43.06 | amee2k | i got an 8-port ethernet switch off ebay for 1 EUR because the dude had lost the wall wart :P |
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| 10:43.14 | cantido | korhojoa: routing etc is done by a single core atom board running openbsd that I got for £50 (less than a consumer grade router..) |
| 10:43.20 | britishseapower | debug3: Not a RSA1 key file /Users/andrewstephenson/.ssh/id_rsa. |
| 10:43.23 | amee2k | i modded the regulator to accept a 12V one because i had no 7.5V around |
| 10:43.29 | cantido | korhojoa: the whole lot is running with a sparc station etc under my sink |
| 10:43.34 | britishseapower | oops, you know his name ! :-) hehe. |
| 10:44.07 | cantido | should really remember what that "show what someone has been saying" command is.. |
| 10:44.15 | samantha-c | isn't rsa1 disabled by default in debian's sshd? |
| 10:44.18 | liable | under a sink doesnt sound like a safe place for a server.. ;) |
| 10:44.34 | cantido | liable: the POTS socket is above the sink |
| 10:44.45 | britishseapower | that error ? implies hi keys are wrong ? |
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| 10:45.03 | samantha-c | britishseapower: have him generate a dsa key and pop that into authorized_keys |
| 10:45.03 | korhojoa | cantido: heh. nice. |
| 10:45.15 | britishseapower | goes on... debug2: key_type_from_name: unknown key type '-----BEGIN' then lots of key_read: missing whitespace bla bla |
| 10:45.31 | samantha-c | britishseapower: oh. yeah. his private key is jacked. |
| 10:45.32 | korhojoa | cantido: i'm thinking of setting a atom board to do my routing too, would be nice. i kind of liked having a permanent ipsec tunnel home at all times |
| 10:45.32 | cantido | britishseapower: I think that keyfile is broked |
| 10:45.39 | britishseapower | ok |
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| 10:45.45 | britishseapower | i'll let him know, thanks |
| 10:45.48 | samantha-c | britishseapower: have him delete it and create another. |
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| 10:45.55 | liable | britishseapower: tell him to pipe it, not use an editor for the authorized keys file |
| 10:46.07 | cantido | korhojoa: debian or any of the free unixs are fine.. the adsl bit is the hard part though |
| 10:46.10 | britishseapower | ok |
| 10:46.11 | britishseapower | thanks |
| 10:46.16 | britishseapower | i'll let him know |
| 10:46.17 | britishseapower | ta |
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| 10:49.58 | samantha-c | i feel sad. all my open bug reports have been ignored. |
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| 10:50.18 | cantido | samantha-c: that isn't uncommon |
| 10:50.26 | liable | mark em rc ;) |
| 10:50.42 | samantha-c | i should have marked the one in installer "grave." |
| 10:51.20 | cantido | I had a bug I posted 2 years ago.. I reinstalled my machine recently and it was still happening, so I googled it and all I could find was my two year old bug report |
| 10:51.54 | samantha-c | the installer one is on the businesscard iso at least. on expert install, it doesn't set the root password, and it doesn't create the user, so after you reboot you can't log in. |
| 10:52.11 | liable | thats certainly grave |
| 10:52.19 | samantha-c | i guess that would qualify as a major loss of functionality |
| 10:52.50 | korhojoa | cantido: eh. i just use a modem to do the bridging. pfsense works great for me |
| 10:53.09 | cantido | korhojoa: yup, "modems" are getting rare though |
| 10:53.26 | cantido | korhojoa: real ones, not crap one port routers |
| 10:53.42 | samantha-c | i still have my original Hayes 300 :) |
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| 10:54.51 | samantha-c | bitcom changed my life. i used it to download telix. |
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| 10:56.08 | testz | is there a reason for scp transfer to be faster than ftp? |
| 10:56.29 | Vroomfondle | no |
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| 10:56.33 | Vroomfondle | in fact it's usually slower |
| 10:56.38 | korhojoa | cantido: they're pretty common here still. zyxels and such |
| 10:56.44 | samantha-c | testz: no. it's usually slower, but it opens fewer security problems. |
| 10:56.58 | cast | testz: proxy, throttling |
| 10:56.58 | testz | why is it slower? |
| 10:57.01 | testz | ok |
| 10:57.17 | samantha-c | testz: because the encryption slows things down, but not so slow as to make it worth the security problems |
| 10:57.52 | cantido | scp'ing files to slow machines is painful ;) |
| 10:58.03 | cantido | <200mhz |
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| 10:58.59 | cast | samantha-c: depends much on the security circumstance as to the security, if the goal is to move files in the typical case scp may open up far more holes |
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| 10:59.30 | samantha-c | cast: i can't imagine one. ftpds are horribly insecure, and authentication is sent in the clear |
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| 11:00.25 | cast | samantha-c: the easiest, and most common way, to enable a user to scp files onto a host is to add them as a user :( |
| 11:00.40 | cantido | samantha-c: ftp + TLS |
| 11:01.03 | samantha-c | cast: if you're allowing them to upload files onto your machine, adding them as a user (with or without shell access) is the least of your worries |
| 11:01.24 | samantha-c | cantido: that's fine for passwords, IF your user's client support it -- some do not -- but it doesn't solve the buggy ftpd problem |
| 11:01.26 | britishseapower | this channel is great - glad I found it, will be back - thanks all, not solved but a lot better understood |
| 11:01.29 | britishseapower | later |
| 11:01.41 | cast | samantha-c: i allow users, such as you, to upload files to my machine, i however wouldn't dream of adding you as a user |
| 11:02.03 | cast | samantha-c: [the mechanism in question you could upload files is DCC :)] |
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| 11:02.37 | samantha-c | cast: haha. dcc is stupid. |
| 11:02.44 | liable | scponly solves that |
| 11:04.51 | cast | liable: that form of solution is workable, but i tend to not have a large amount of confidence in it |
| 11:05.11 | liable | cast: its fine if you just want someone to be able to upload |
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| 11:05.33 | cantido | the issue seems to be the authentication.. not the actual protocol |
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| 11:06.01 | cast | authentication is part of the protocol |
| 11:06.30 | cantido | yes.. but samantha-c's issue doesn't seem to be around the security of the transport or anything |
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| 11:06.55 | cast | it is around the security of the transport layer |
| 11:07.19 | cantido | ftp daemons "have a history of being insecure" is only of those things people say.. like sendmail is bad |
| 11:07.26 | cast | in ssh credentials are sent over a secured connection, in ftp they are not |
| 11:07.30 | cantido | cast: TLS |
| 11:07.43 | samantha-c | cantido: you have obviously not cleaned up server compromises from blown ftpds |
| 11:07.52 | cantido | samantha-c: there are secure daemons |
| 11:08.04 | cantido | samantha-c: there are probably insecure SSH daemons out there |
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| 11:08.35 | cantido | using ftp protocol does not mean inherently insecure |
| 11:09.26 | samantha-c | i prefer to run as few services as necessary, to minimize the number of attack points. as any user i'd want to have on my box is smart enough to understand how to use ftp, or can be trained to use filezilla, i'll leave ftp uninstalled. |
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| 11:09.41 | cast | cantido: TLS is not ftp. |
| 11:09.49 | cast | cantido: we're talking about ftp |
| 11:10.00 | cantido | cast: modern ftp daemons and ftp clients support TLS |
| 11:10.05 | cantido | just like modern SMTP daemons |
| 11:10.12 | cantido | modern IMAP daemons.. |
| 11:10.15 | samantha-c | smtp is another piece of shit. |
| 11:10.32 | cantido | oh, and where does the TLS support generally come from.. openssl |
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| 11:10.36 | abrotman | cantido: that doesn't mean it is enabled, by default, FTP is insecure |
| 11:10.49 | cast | cantido: i'm talking about ftp, if you're not sure what ftp is its defined here: http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc959 |
| 11:10.52 | cantido | I wonder what widely deployed ssh implemention uses that.. |
| 11:10.54 | jelly | cantido: or gnutls if you're unlucky enough |
| 11:11.14 | tlhiv_laptop | themill: still around? |
| 11:11.19 | abrotman | themill: RUN AWAY! |
| 11:11.20 | cantido | abrotman: yes, you can configure anything badly though |
| 11:11.39 | abrotman | cantido: so you can configure ssh to be unencrypted? |
| 11:11.40 | tlhiv_laptop | abrotman: he responded to me after i had to leave yesterday ;) |
| 11:11.52 | cast | abrotman: yes :) |
| 11:11.53 | cantido | jelly: exim using gnutls is a pain in the arse.. :/ |
| 11:12.11 | cantido | abrotman: you could say.. totally break the entropy gathering so that keys are predictable |
| 11:12.23 | Bushmills | here is a slightly opiniated list of ftp shortcomings: http://mywiki.wooledge.org/FtpMustDie |
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| 11:12.29 | cantido | abrotman: or configure bad passwords |
| 11:12.34 | samantha-c | cantido: there was a debian bug a couple years ago that did that. :) |
| 11:12.39 | cantido | abrotman: or have password-less keys all over the place |
| 11:12.46 | samantha-c | huge pain in the ass. i had to regenerate like 200 keys. |
| 11:12.56 | abrotman | cantido: it still requires some intelligence to gather the data over a crapily keyed ssh, ftp by default is in the clear, my mom could read taht out of wireshark |
| 11:13.33 | abrotman | Bushmills: greycat .. opinionated? no!!!!! |
| 11:13.41 | jelly | abrotman: no she couldn't! |
| 11:13.57 | abrotman | oh yes she did! |
| 11:14.15 | cantido | abrotman: the only thing you really gain is "secure" transport, you don't always need secure transport |
| 11:14.31 | cantido | abrotman: public ftp sites don't need secure transport |
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| 11:14.54 | abrotman | fine .. you use ftp for all your file transfers .. have fun! |
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| 11:15.01 | samantha-c | exit |
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| 11:15.04 | samantha-c | bah |
| 11:15.25 | cantido | is pretty sure most/all the debian mirrors support ftp |
| 11:15.27 | liable | its all pr0n anyway |
| 11:15.48 | jelly | there's some music and tv series |
| 11:16.13 | Bushmills | without secure transport, downloaded files could potentially be compromised during transit |
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| 11:16.21 | Bushmills | even if files come from public sites |
| 11:16.24 | abrotman | cantido: most do .. they're also signed |
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| 11:16.38 | cantido | Bushmills: as abrotman said, they are signed |
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| 11:17.10 | Bushmills | on all public sites? or the debian files? |
| 11:17.23 | liable | the debian packages |
| 11:17.24 | cantido | Bushmills: even with secure transport, there's nothing to say that the file hasn't been altered,.. |
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| 11:18.02 | cantido | Bushmills: maybe someone found a password-less private key on a usb stick on someones desk and went and changed the files before you got there |
| 11:18.16 | abrotman | cantido: but you're talking about something that is intended to be anonymous login .. not a user/pass situation |
| 11:18.38 | Bushmills | purposefully altering requires a huge effort with secured transfers. it requies little effort with unsecured transfers |
| 11:18.43 | themill | dpkg, hand out the tinfoil hats |
| 11:18.43 | dpkg | passes around the tinfoil hats to everyone on #debian and hope the black helicopters won't notice the shiny reflections from the tin foil... |
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| 11:18.55 | abrotman | cantido: the packages themselves also have md5sums |
| 11:19.06 | Bushmills | cantido: yes, "maybe", but otoh, "maybe not" |
| 11:19.30 | cantido | abrotman: I'm saying .. scp is good where you need scp,.. i.e. when you need to transfer something and don't want other people to see it. But there are valid reasons for ftp etc |
| 11:19.33 | samantha-c | there. much better. |
| 11:19.43 | cantido | and ftp daemons aren't all "insecure" |
| 11:19.57 | jelly | cantido: scp also sucks, sftp is saner |
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| 11:20.14 | samantha-c | rsync ftw |
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| 11:20.18 | themill | cantido: use http instead if that's what you want. It's a protocol that can at least traverse NAT and doesn't feel the need to break files during transport just for kicks. |
| 11:20.28 | cantido | uses RS232 and xmodem |
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| 11:21.15 | liable | uses carrier pidgeon |
| 11:21.32 | cantido | themill: I use a range of tools, tools that fit the task I am undertaking |
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| 11:23.45 | _L30_ | how to setup eth0 ? |
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| 11:24.12 | samantha-c | _L30_, carefully. |
| 11:24.47 | jelly | dpkg, tell _L30_ about interfaces |
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| 11:25.15 | Krikke | is there any way to be notified if a certain package is backported to lenny? |
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| 11:26.54 | jelly | Krikke: backports.org has announcement mailing lists |
| 11:27.04 | Krikke | ooh |
| 11:27.09 | Krikke | thx |
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| 11:28.35 | abrotman | Krikke: what are you looking for? |
| 11:28.40 | Krikke | minbif-webcam |
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| 11:28.54 | abrotman | if there aren't a lot of deps, you could do it yourself |
| 11:29.03 | Krikke | I guess it's the backports-changes that I should subscribe to? |
| 11:29.10 | Krikke | hmm |
| 11:29.14 | Krikke | with checkinstall? |
| 11:29.19 | abrotman | oh, nevermind .. it's a pidgin thing, and that's just the beginning |
| 11:29.22 | themill | Krikke: all build-deps are satisfied for that; /msg dpkg ssb |
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| 11:29.33 | Krikke | true, true |
| 11:29.42 | abrotman | themill: really? |
| 11:30.10 | themill | whether all runtime deps are satisfied or not and whether it actually works are caveat backporter. |
| 11:30.50 | Krikke | hehe |
| 11:30.52 | themill | abrotman: yes. http://paste.debian.net/76101/ |
| 11:30.56 | Krikke | could be worth a shot |
| 11:31.54 | Krikke | not that it's really critical so I'd rather wait for the backport if it ever becomes available |
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| 11:32.44 | jpinx-eeepc | Krikke: even *I* managed to ssb something - it is worth your while trying :) |
| 11:33.01 | Krikke | yeah well, maybe I'll learn something in the process |
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| 11:33.18 | Krikke | btw, what does ssb stand for? |
| 11:33.51 | abrotman | Krikke: simple sid backport |
| 11:33.55 | jpinx-eeepc | Krikke: check in packages.debian.org for the versions of the depends (like libc6) and apt-cache policy same in your system and note what you need |
| 11:33.58 | Krikke | ah |
| 11:34.30 | Krikke | the minbif-webcam package from testing would need a newer libc |
| 11:34.32 | themill | jpinx-eeepc: versioned dependencies can be only a function of what environment the package was build in. |
| 11:34.34 | jpinx-eeepc | Krikke: just be aware that upping the versions of depends might break something you already have installed |
| 11:34.40 | Krikke | I know |
| 11:35.18 | jpinx-eeepc | themill: yes I agree, I did mine the long-winded way Äos I was scared ;) |
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| 11:36.25 | themill | jpinx-eeepc: you only need to check the Depends line in the debian/control to see if there are any hand-coded versioned deps. Any that aren't listed there are automagical and should sort themselves out in the backport process |
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| 11:36.56 | testz | how can I compress a directory and all its contents with lzma? |
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| 11:38.51 | jpinx-eeepc | themill: yes - I realised that after I had spent 2 days writing them all out :) |
| 11:39.09 | robinetd | testz, tar it up, then lzma the tar. |
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| 11:40.09 | testz | ok thanks |
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| 11:41.28 | Trewas | a recent enough tar can use --lzma flag directly, though lzma is deprecated in favor of xz |
| 11:42.15 | abrotman | already? |
| 11:42.17 | samantha-c | okay so i'm using squeeze dual-head but randr complains that the required virtual size does not fit available sizes. i know there's an xorg.conf hack to fix this but i can't for the life of me remember where to find it or figure out the google keywords to bring it up. suggestions? |
| 11:42.53 | cantido | samantha-c: you have to set the virtual size.. I'm just trying to remember what it is.. |
| 11:43.17 | samantha-c | cantido: it's just a little snippet in xorg.conf, but i can't find it |
| 11:44.05 | cantido | Virtual 992 744 |
| 11:44.12 | cantido | in the display section |
| 11:44.13 | cantido | I think |
| 11:44.25 | Trewas | abrotman: yes, basically it is the same compression algorithm, but the file format is different |
| 11:44.38 | abrotman | great plan! |
| 11:45.09 | cantido | samantha-c: older intel chipsets turn off hardware 3d after 2048 wide or something |
| 11:45.10 | Trewas | xz files can be recognized by file(1), which does not work with lzma |
| 11:45.22 | samantha-c | cantido: my xorg.conf is empty. when i did Section "Display" Depth 32 Virtual 3280 1050 EndSection, X wouldn't load |
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| 11:46.04 | cantido | samantha-c: just looking again, you need a section "Screen" and a subsection "Display" |
| 11:46.19 | jelly | samantha-c: /msg dpkg xorg config lenny |
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| 11:50.19 | samantha-c | how nice. X -configure segfaulted on me. |
| 11:51.05 | _L30_ | doesnt debian has a initramfs? |
| 11:51.42 | _L30_ | samantha-c: i installed a 3rd party kernel compatible with debian |
| 11:51.47 | twouters | Hi, I'm having an issue with a resized raid volumeset, the volume size change isn't recognized by the os (the partition table is a GPT) |
| 11:51.52 | _L30_ | how to apply the changes? |
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| 11:53.05 | _L30_ | jelly: ? |
| 11:53.15 | jelly | samantha-c: which debian release are you using? |
| 11:54.02 | jelly | samantha-c: video-vmwarefb from testing/unstable is prone to segfaults, making X -configure all but useless; remove it if unneeded |
| 11:54.21 | jelly | samantha-c: er, xserver-xorg-video-vmware |
| 11:54.27 | jelly | no fb |
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| 11:55.58 | wols | _L30_: the initramfs is created when you install the kernel. to redo it dpkg-reconfigure <kernel package> |
| 11:56.46 | samantha-c | jelly: squeeze, with an nvidia card. two heads, currently X will only mirror them. |
| 11:57.03 | jelly | right |
| 11:57.20 | _L30_ | ok thanks wols :) |
| 11:57.55 | _L30_ | Im new to debian was using ubuntu |
| 11:58.06 | _L30_ | and looks like things are lot different here |
| 11:58.22 | cantido | _L30_: we have colours other than brown |
| 11:58.44 | _L30_ | cantido: i dont get you |
| 11:58.51 | _L30_ | can you reframe it |
| 11:58.59 | _L30_ | or is it a tag of debian ? |
| 11:59.12 | _L30_ | brown in the sense you mean ubuntu? |
| 11:59.15 | cantido | Debian themes etc are blue-ish |
| 11:59.24 | cantido | Ubuntu stuff is/was generally brown |
| 11:59.36 | _L30_ | cantido: i m not talking about the look |
| 12:00.12 | _L30_ | hey one thing |
| 12:00.18 | samantha-c | so xrandr detects both monitors but complains that the required virtual size doesn't fit the available size. i had it a couple days ago -- there is an xorg.conf config entry that will resolve this and xrandr will happy configure the heads for me, but i can't for the life of me find it. |
| 12:00.37 | _L30_ | when i use nautilus n click on a folder it opens a new window instead of navigating |
| 12:00.50 | _L30_ | how do i set it to navigate instead of opening a new window? |
| 12:00.51 | Krikke | _L30_: you can change that in the preferences |
| 12:01.01 | Krikke | it's a checkbox iirc |
| 12:01.09 | Krikke | always navigate or something |
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| 12:01.45 | Andy-at-home | im trying to run red5 server but i keep receiving this error... http://pastebin.com/YpwPffqJ |
| 12:01.59 | Andy-at-home | anyone suggest where i go from there? |
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| 12:02.25 | puliszka | hey |
| 12:02.31 | Krikke | o/ |
| 12:02.32 | puliszka | any nfs guru? |
| 12:02.38 | Appetite | Andy-at-home: try recompiling. |
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| 12:02.57 | Appetite | Andy-at-home: if you read this: 'Bad version number in .class file' it means that the versions don't match |
| 12:02.57 | puliszka | mount: RPC: Remote system error - Connection refused |
| 12:02.59 | _L30_ | Krikke: no option in preferences >windows |
| 12:03.05 | puliszka | how can idebug this ? |
| 12:03.06 | Appetite | Andy-at-home: also make sure you have the newest JVM and JDK |
| 12:03.15 | Krikke | _L30_: try the menus in nautilus |
| 12:03.21 | _L30_ | ok |
| 12:03.23 | Krikke | they should have some options or preferences |
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| 12:07.29 | samantha-c | kaching, found it. debian wiki, under macbook. (go figure) |
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| 12:08.16 | Krikke | samantha-c: what was it? |
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| 12:09.50 | samantha-c | Krikke: http://wiki.debian.org/MacBook under "external monitor." the xorg.conf snippet there works great, just used my own pixel count of course |
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| 12:11.21 | Krikke | samantha-c: ah |
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| 12:14.43 | saulo | Hello all! I have this problem with Debian + Samba: Hello all! I have the same problem here: "If i delete some file from this share, then samba make directory .recycle/smbuser. But in older version (for example Samba 3.3.0) samba maked directory .recycle/real_user - and this i need! It's possible?" ( http://www.archivum.info/samba@lists.samba.org/2009-07/00116/%5BSamba%5D-VFS-recycle-amp-force-use |
| 12:14.44 | saulo | r.html ) . Somebody have some idea about how to fix this? |
| 12:15.01 | saulo | * ( http://www.archivum.info/samba@lists.samba.org/2009-07/00116/%5BSamba%5D-VFS-recycle-amp-force-user.html ) |
| 12:15.09 | abrotman | saulo: dpkg -l samba libc6 .. is a good start .. show us the versions you have |
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| 12:15.58 | saulo | abrotman: thanks :) libc6 2.10.2-9 and samba 2:3.4.8~dfsg-1 |
| 12:16.44 | xlotlu | any theories on why wake-on-lan wouldn't work after poweroff / halt? |
| 12:18.13 | rozie | xlotlu: you have to setup wol after every reboot, probably |
| 12:18.46 | rozie | does it work when you setup options with ethtool and poweroff system? |
| 12:19.09 | xlotlu | rozie: that would be too wrong to be true |
| 12:19.16 | xlotlu | didn't try ethtool on it, let's see |
| 12:19.48 | xlotlu | although the bios setting is unchanged, the interface remains powered, and if i turn it on and back off from the power button it works |
| 12:20.10 | abrotman | does the machine actually turn off? |
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| 12:21.03 | rozie | xlotlu: you need to setup options with ethtool |
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| 12:21.11 | xlotlu | abrotman: yeah |
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| 12:22.31 | xlotlu | Supports Wake-on: g; Wake-on: d |
| 12:22.54 | xlotlu | so it's disabled after boot. rozie you were right |
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| 12:26.18 | rozie | xlotlu: I use WoL on one machine |
| 12:26.47 | xlotlu | now i should place this in a shutdown script. still it's annoying "something" decides to turn off the bios setting |
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| 12:27.20 | deed02392 | After a broken APF install I'm getting this in syslog every couple of minutes: Jun 4 16:20:01 vps /USR/SBIN/CRON[28361]: (root) CMD (/etc/init.d/apf stop >> /dev/null 2>&1). I've checked roots crontab and there's nothing in there, can anyone think where this might be coming from? |
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| 12:28.16 | xlotlu | or better at boot time, not shutdown |
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| 12:28.19 | sepult` | deed02392: if you want taht script not to be run, chmod -x it |
| 12:28.39 | _L30_ | hey i get a /boot/initrd.img doesnt exist error |
| 12:28.51 | samantha-c | is alsa still muted by default at install? |
| 12:29.02 | rozie | xlotlu: I put it in iface up script |
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| 12:29.29 | Mikae | Hello all, I installed Debian yesterday and have some questions. |
| 12:30.05 | Mikae | I want to download sources for glibc and to recompile them with debug information. |
| 12:30.19 | Mikae | The problem is that I don't see it in Synaptic. |
| 12:30.34 | Mikae | Could someone help me with it? |
| 12:30.40 | bbd | apt-get install libc6-dbg |
| 12:30.49 | jpinx-eeepc | Mikae: use aptitude on the commandline |
| 12:30.50 | cast | aptitude* |
| 12:31.00 | Mikae | Ok, let me try. |
| 12:31.10 | xlotlu | rozie: thanks |
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| 12:31.17 | deed02392 | sepult` the file doesn't even exist |
| 12:31.21 | deed02392 | i just want to stop cron trying to run it |
| 12:31.32 | deed02392 | and padding out my syslog with useless messages |
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| 12:31.52 | _L30_ | >hey i get a /boot/initrd.img doesnt exist error |
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| 12:32.11 | _L30_ | when i dont concentrate on that it returns a kernel panic error |
| 12:34.32 | xlotlu | rozie: as a matter of fact it's that default /etc/network/if-up.d/ethtool script that's turning it off :) |
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| 12:35.11 | Mikae | jpinx-eeepc: It looks like it is done. Where I can look at the sources? |
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| 12:36.04 | Mikae | _/usr/src is empty. |
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| 12:38.18 | bbd | Mikae: you can use libc6-dbg package if you just want to run gdb and no need to recompile libc |
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| 12:38.43 | jelly | deed02392: your broken install may have installed some files. |
| 12:38.44 | norbert_ | hi, |
| 12:38.50 | norbert_ | I'm on Debian stable, trying to apt-get install libmysqld-dev |
| 12:38.56 | lindi- | bbd: libc6 might be a special case but -O0 is really nice when debugging |
| 12:38.58 | norbert_ | get libmysqld-dev: Depends: libmysqlclient-dev (>= 5.1.45-1~bpo50+1) |
| 12:39.06 | deed02392 | found it in the system wide crontab |
| 12:39.11 | Mikae | bbd: Yes, I've read a bit about libc6-dbg. |
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| 12:39.17 | lindi- | norbert_: sources.list? |
| 12:39.46 | Mikae | It looks like it has only names in symbol table, I'm not sure about debugging informations. |
| 12:39.54 | Mikae | But I didn't try yet. |
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| 12:40.05 | norbert_ | lindi-: it contains main/contrib/non-free for ftp.debian.org, security.debian.org, and www.backports.org |
| 12:40.19 | Appetite | is it possible to unmount the root filesystem then remount it without restarting? |
| 12:40.30 | rvsjoen | mount -o remount ? |
| 12:40.45 | Appetite | even on root fs rvsjoen ? |
| 12:40.51 | rozie | xlotlu: might be. it was a long time ago and can't remember exactly if I turned it off or on ;) |
| 12:40.55 | bbd | Mikae: ok then make sure you have deb-src entries in /etc/apt/sources.list, run cd /usr/src && apt-get source libc6 |
| 12:40.56 | rvsjoen | can't remember for sure, but I think so |
| 12:41.06 | jelly | Appetite: what are you really trying to accomplish? |
| 12:41.14 | Appetite | jelly: exactly what i asked. |
| 12:41.20 | jelly | Appetite: why? |
| 12:41.27 | Appetite | jelly: because that's what i asked. |
| 12:41.29 | lindi- | norbert_: complete file would help |
| 12:41.32 | jelly | *shrug* |
| 12:41.37 | xlotlu | rozie: you can set "ethernet-wol g" in /etc/network/interfaces ... and it's documented in /usr/share/doc/ethtool/README.Debian |
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| 12:41.45 | Mikae | bbd: Thanx, let me try. |
| 12:42.06 | rvsjoen | 'mount -o remount /' doesn't throw any errors at me at least |
| 12:42.21 | norbert_ | lindi-: http://debian.pastebin.com/0YJQHwZs |
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| 12:43.05 | deed02392 | it's ok jelly, it was in the systemwide cron file |
| 12:43.12 | deed02392 | everything else i removed by hand with locate |
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| 12:43.51 | kombi | is it save to kill ksuspend_usbd? |
| 12:43.55 | jelly | deed02392: ah. debian packages shouldn't put stuff in there, that's what /etc/cron.*/ directories are for |
| 12:44.01 | lindi- | norbert_: apt-get update && apt-get -t lenny-backpors install libmysqld-dev? |
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| 12:44.24 | norbert_ | lindi-: same error :| |
| 12:44.50 | Appetite | thanks rvsjoen |
| 12:44.52 | norbert_ | lindi-: no, actually, that works |
| 12:45.04 | norbert_ | lindi-: I pasted what you wrote (backpors) |
| 12:45.05 | deed02392 | yeah i know, naughty apf. :P |
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| 12:45.13 | _L30_ | hey guys do i have to make a initrd.img |
| 12:45.14 | norbert_ | lindi-: thanks |
| 12:45.15 | SuperAlekZ | hey guys :) |
| 12:45.19 | _L30_ | for the kernel i newly installed? |
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| 12:45.56 | abrotman | _L30_: why are you compiling a kernel? |
| 12:45.56 | jelly | _L30_: was it a package? |
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| 12:46.25 | jelly | _L30_: typically a packaged kernel would provide an initrd image if needed |
| 12:46.32 | _L30_ | abrotman: testing a kernel to patch with squashfs+lzma |
| 12:46.54 | xlotlu | weee i'm happy. the router broadcasts the wol, and i turned on my server from the interwebs :) |
| 12:47.15 | jelly | xlotlu: that sounds somewhat evil! |
| 12:47.19 | abrotman | wonders why r5 hasn't gone through yet... |
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| 12:48.52 | xlotlu | jelly: nah, it's perfectly safe. and if someone is determined enough to sniff my traffic and replay the wol, then it'll only cost me some power |
| 12:49.23 | xlotlu | jelly: which i'm saving in the first place by giving up on using my monster home server as a router :) |
| 12:50.10 | _L30_ | xlotlu: i get a mkinitrd command not found erro |
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| 12:50.28 | wols | !file mkinitrd |
| 12:50.32 | wols | ,file mkinitrd |
| 12:50.35 | judd | No packages were found with that file. |
| 12:50.43 | jelly | _L30_: update-initramfs |
| 12:51.01 | _L30_ | done jelly |
| 12:51.32 | jelly | _L30_: also, debian's kernels already have squashfs and lzma |
| 12:51.37 | ethanol | this question probably does not belong here, but does anyone know of any player or tool that will let me play the music files I have at home, on a remote location? some kind of streaming software? or some kind of player that can use an ssh/sftp connection? |
| 12:51.43 | _L30_ | ohh wait what options should i set jelly ? |
| 12:51.50 | SuperAlekZ | hey, stupid question: how can i install a webserver on my debian-root, so that my wordpress sends registration-mails to new users? |
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| 12:51.57 | SuperAlekZ | and yes; i'm a newfag. |
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| 12:52.26 | ethanol | SuperAlekZ: aptitude install apache2 sendmail |
| 12:52.26 | _L30_ | jelly: i also need aufs modules |
| 12:52.26 | ethanol | :x |
| 12:52.43 | _L30_ | jelly: what options should i set in update-initramfs ? |
| 12:53.33 | jelly | _L30_: have you actually looked at debian's .config before building your own? |
| 12:53.49 | _L30_ | yes |
| 12:53.53 | jelly | good. |
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| 12:54.52 | jelly | _L30_: I suggest using make-kpkg (kernel-package package) to build packages for custom kernels |
| 12:55.08 | eddy86 | hi, i set up a openldap with tls, it works, but i have a question, the openldap user needs execution rights for the folder, where the private key is stored. i have no idea, why rights to read the key are not enoug? can someone explain this? what is the real difference between execution and read? |
| 12:55.12 | SuperAlekZ | but ethanol i got another webserver installed :S |
| 12:55.17 | SuperAlekZ | it's something with "light.." |
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| 12:55.19 | _L30_ | well i need to boot into my custom kernel |
| 12:55.22 | SuperAlekZ | lighttpd or somethin |
| 12:55.23 | Appetite | lighttpd SuperAlekZ ? |
| 12:55.26 | SuperAlekZ | yup :) |
| 12:55.33 | SuperAlekZ | i love you guys on this IRC :D |
| 12:55.48 | Appetite | lighttpd > apache imo, for most things, not all |
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| 12:55.59 | abrotman | !tell SuperAlekZ about gay |
| 12:56.13 | courpse | Mouse has stopped working in debian squeeze, where can i go to reinstall it or check whats up? |
| 12:56.15 | ethanol | Appetite: I'd rather go with nginx than lighttpd. thought I'd rather go with apache2 than either |
| 12:56.22 | rozie | xlotlu: thx for info |
| 12:56.40 | abrotman | courpse: stopped working where? |
| 12:56.42 | rozie | will check as soon as I get to this machine |
| 12:56.44 | Appetite | ethanol: i do like apache alot, but it is too resource hungry for my needs. i rarely use the httpd, so i want it to be nearly invisible when i'm not using it |
| 12:56.45 | abrotman | and what kind of mouse? |
| 12:56.49 | courpse | Humm,dfgdsdfgdsg |
| 12:56.56 | courpse | argh, sorry. |
| 12:56.58 | abrotman | keyboard seems wonky too |
| 12:57.01 | SuperAlekZ | thanks abrotman :D |
| 12:57.06 | abrotman | not funny? |
| 12:57.07 | courpse | Um, ps/2 moudr. |
| 12:57.09 | Appetite | ethanol: and i haven't tried nginx, but lighttpd requires no configuratio, and just worked, which is what i wanted since, as i said, i dont use it much |
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| 12:57.11 | SuperAlekZ | however.. my question was.. what now? :D |
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| 12:57.16 | courpse | And i have a USB mouse plugged in too. |
| 12:57.18 | courpse | Neither work. |
| 12:57.25 | abrotman | courpse: in what? X? Console? |
| 12:57.28 | ethanol | Appetite: it rarely consumers more than 1% cpu on most of my machines.. |
| 12:57.29 | courpse | X. |
| 12:57.31 | ethanol | consumes* |
| 12:57.39 | abrotman | courpse: paste your xorg.conf somewhere |
| 12:57.52 | courpse | um... |
| 12:57.55 | courpse | Yeah, with that. |
| 12:57.55 | Appetite | ethanol: apache? for some reason it always has multiple threads using decent amounts of ram + cpu on mine, but anyway, lighttpd just fits my needs better on this machine |
| 12:57.57 | ethanol | Appetite: pretty much anything installed through aptitude works from the get-go |
| 12:58.01 | ethanol | Appetite: same goes for apache2 |
| 12:58.12 | courpse | My GUI is broke atm, but the mouse should be working fine still. |
| 12:58.29 | courpse | And my tty* wont change either:/ |
| 12:58.46 | abrotman | courpse: but your kb works in X and you have an xterm open? |
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| 12:58.52 | foo123 | . |
| 12:58.55 | Appetite | ethanol: i didn't find nginx as easy to configure for https eithe |
| 12:58.57 | Appetite | r |
| 12:59.12 | Mikae | Ok, I downloaded sources and unpacked them. Where it better to read about recompiling? |
| 12:59.22 | Mikae | *it is |
| 12:59.37 | mastro | how do I manage aptitude upgrade on a system where I installed some package with -t testing option (i'm on stable) |
| 12:59.43 | jordanm | !tell Mikae about package recompile |
| 12:59.44 | SuperAlekZ | so guys i need a mailserver with lighttpd... what now :S |
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| 12:59.56 | jordanm | SuperAlekZ: install one? |
| 13:00.03 | courpse | abortman, im in a tty* with irssi. |
| 13:00.04 | SuperAlekZ | thanks jordanm :) |
| 13:00.06 | SuperAlekZ | :D |
| 13:00.07 | abrotman | mastro: that's why mixing is bad |
| 13:00.13 | abrotman | courpse: install pastebinit .. use that |
| 13:00.13 | foo123 | Hi, I want to compile a driver module and needs the currently running kernel source. where can I find it? my current kernel is 2.6.26-2-686, I tried downloading and compiling for 2.5.27 but it didn |
| 13:00.15 | SuperAlekZ | nah .. i mean.. how can i do it? |
| 13:00.23 | courpse | kb works in a GUI when i boot it, im working on tryin to get multi gfx cards working in same xorg.conf. |
| 13:00.28 | courpse | So my GYU is a bit muddled up. |
| 13:00.29 | nsadmin | SuperAlekZ: learn the commands |
| 13:00.32 | petemc | SuperAlekZ: debian comes with a mail server |
| 13:00.32 | courpse | GUI* |
| 13:00.44 | abrotman | courpse: or ask me to join you in #flood and you can paste it there |
| 13:00.51 | valdyn | foo123: aptitude installl linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 13:00.55 | SuperAlekZ | petemc: and how do i use it with wordpress? |
| 13:00.56 | jordanm | petemc: no, a mail server is not part of the base system, but is a part of the "standard system" task |
| 13:01.02 | courpse | How can i use irssi to show files? |
| 13:01.06 | mastro | abrotman, ok.. but since openoffice 3 isn't on stable and I need it to open microsoft .???x files I had to install it from testing |
| 13:01.09 | courpse | does irssi have /exec -o? |
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| 13:01.11 | nsadmin | maybe someone will give you a few, but no one is going to hold your hand to the keys to press them |
| 13:01.17 | abrotman | mastro: you should have used backports.org |
| 13:01.18 | valdyn | courpse: yes, but why ask us? |
| 13:01.22 | petemc | jordanm: how does that make what i said incorrect? |
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| 13:01.27 | abrotman | courpse: yes .. just don't paste in here |
| 13:01.31 | jordanm | petemc: although, it will certainly get pulled in as recommends quickly |
| 13:01.35 | mastro | abrotman, argh.. I should have known about backports |
| 13:01.42 | courpse | abrotman, sure, would you like to join me in #flood? |
| 13:01.43 | mastro | abrotman, is it safe? |
| 13:01.45 | jordanm | petemc: well.. his install might not have came with a mail server.. |
| 13:01.47 | foo123 | valdyn: thanks |
| 13:01.48 | abrotman | courpse: already there |
| 13:01.57 | SuperAlekZ | jordanm: how can i check it? |
| 13:02.00 | abrotman | petemc: actually, i think it comes with exim .. but doesn't configure it? |
| 13:02.05 | petemc | correct |
| 13:02.09 | mastro | abrotman, I mean, it is constantly synchronized with the official packages? |
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| 13:02.16 | mastro | (is it) |
| 13:02.23 | abrotman | mastro: no idea, i don't use them |
| 13:02.24 | valdyn | mastro: no |
| 13:02.25 | nsadmin | how many peiople are in #flood rightg now |
| 13:02.28 | abrotman | judd: versions openoffice.org |
| 13:02.30 | judd | openoffice.org -- etch: 2.0.4.dfsg.2-7etch9; etch-security: 2.0.4.dfsg.2-7etch9; etch-backports: 1:2.4.1-12~bpo40+1; lenny: 1:2.4.1+dfsg-1+lenny3; lenny-security: 1:2.4.1+dfsg-1+lenny6; squeeze-security: 1:3.1.1-15+squeeze1; lenny-backports: 1:3.2.0-4~bpo50+1; squeeze: 1:3.2.0-9; sid: 1:3.2.0-10; experimental: 1:3.2.1~rc2-2 |
| 13:02.33 | abrotman | nsadmin: 15 or so |
| 13:02.35 | valdyn | mastro: what the hell is "official packages" ? |
| 13:02.47 | jordanm | SuperAlekZ: aptitude search ~i~Pmail-transport-agent |
| 13:02.49 | mastro | valdyn, the official repositories packages? |
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| 13:03.05 | petemc | SuperAlekZ: meta questions such as "how do i use a mail server?" are unlikely to receive a satisfactory answer |
| 13:03.19 | valdyn | mastro: whoever does backports does them in his free time usually, hes not force to keep those updated |
| 13:03.24 | Mikae | jordanm: Ok, I've read it. The question is what is fakeroot? |
| 13:03.38 | valdyn | mastro: same for any debian package |
| 13:03.57 | SuperAlekZ | jordanm: "i A exim4-daemon-light - lightweight Exim MTA (v4) daemon" is what i got |
| 13:03.59 | jordanm | Mikae: see the description section of man fakeroot. It can explain it much better than I can |
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| 13:04.09 | foo123 | valdyn: worked like a charm, thanks again |
| 13:04.16 | mastro | valdyn, I'm not complaining here :) I'm just trying to understand the painless way to have openoffice.org version 3 on my stable debian box |
| 13:04.19 | jordanm | SuperAlekZ: alright, you have an MTA installed. read the documentation and configure it |
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| 13:04.38 | Mikae | jordanm: Ok, thank you. |
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| 13:04.47 | jordanm | mastro: lenny-backports |
| 13:04.52 | valdyn | mastro: so you can just take what is there now. |
| 13:04.52 | jordanm | Mikae: np |
| 13:04.53 | nsadmin | SuperAlekZ: dude... you're in for a BIG learning curve; wordpress I guess is one of those lampstack toolkits that you have to learn as you go |
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| 13:05.15 | mastro | valdyn, so, if the not-official backport are in good synch with the debian repository i'l use them, if they aren't probably the version from testing is better, isn't it' |
| 13:05.16 | courpse | abortman, no go. |
| 13:05.22 | SuperAlekZ | jordanm: thanks a lot, and so this is the Lightweight Exim MTA? |
| 13:05.30 | abrotman | courpse: does /dev/input/mice exist ? |
| 13:05.35 | courpse | sec. |
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| 13:05.56 | valdyn | mastro: you are thinking "sync" = high quality |
| 13:05.59 | nsadmin | you have to learn the web server and its api,,, you have to learn mysql, you hAve to learn the toolkit apis, and then you have to know html, css and maybe javascript |
| 13:06.05 | Mikae | Strange, No manual entry for fakeroot. |
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| 13:06.11 | nsadmin | if you want to REALLY be able to use it |
| 13:06.12 | valdyn | mastro: theres no policy how backports have to be generated |
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| 13:06.26 | mastro | valdyn, no, i'm thinking: synch = less pain when I do my debian upgrade |
| 13:06.48 | valdyn | mastro: that's implied by .deb package management already |
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| 13:07.23 | jordanm | nsadmin: with wordpress, you only need to know CSS (and not even that if you don't modify a theme). the beauty of CMS |
| 13:07.23 | courpse | abortman, yes, it exists. |
| 13:07.24 | mastro | and is there a way to downgrade all the installed packages to stable? |
| 13:07.31 | valdyn | mastro: or backports don't create a mess as they dont use different epochs than testing |
| 13:07.32 | abrotman | courpse: what is 'uname -r' ? |
| 13:07.46 | abrotman | mastro: how many did you install ? |
| 13:07.48 | valdyn | mastro: no |
| 13:07.49 | courpse | Sorry, just to clarifiy, was was the line i needed to change? |
| 13:07.49 | nsadmin | jordanm: so you don't get to write apps? |
| 13:08.10 | abrotman | courpse: sorry, you had to change the mouse device and possibly the protocol |
| 13:08.16 | jordanm | nsadmin: you can write plugins and things, but your average wordpress user will not need to |
| 13:08.24 | mastro | abrotman, i don't know.. i'm running this system from more then 2 years now and through upgrades, change of sources and so on I'm not really sure (this is my personal laptop) |
| 13:08.24 | nsadmin | if it's a CMS, there's going to be a CR (content repository) which you would use to write apps |
| 13:08.25 | abrotman | though that's set to Auto, so you should be okay |
| 13:08.28 | valdyn | mastro: it *is* possible however that backports.org packages are newer than testing so youre not generally safe from upgrade issues |
| 13:08.52 | courpse | abrotman, i changed the mouse device to /dev/input/mice |
| 13:08.53 | mastro | abrotman, I know for sure they are openoffice.org and git-core, probably others as well |
| 13:08.55 | jordanm | valdyn: they shouldn't be... according to bpo's "contribute" page |
| 13:08.55 | courpse | Linux debian 2.6.32-3-686 #1 SMP Thu Feb 25 06:14:20 UTC 2010 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 13:09.08 | valdyn | jordanm: yea.. |
| 13:09.23 | abrotman | courpse: if you uhm 'cat /dev/input/mice' and move your mouse around, does it fill the screen with jibberish ? |
| 13:09.58 | mastro | abrotman, that's why I want to query the repository to find all packages installed from testing |
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| 13:10.02 | courpse | I dont have a mouse in tty*, im not in a GUI at all, So i cantcheck that, :/ |
| 13:10.10 | abrotman | !tell mastro about which repo |
| 13:10.13 | abrotman | courpse: doesn't matter |
| 13:10.14 | nsadmin | jordanm, so if that's the case then he has to read how to configure the module he's using |
| 13:10.22 | courpse | Aight, brb. |
| 13:10.30 | abrotman | courpse: you don't have to keep quitting IRC |
| 13:10.30 | jordanm | nsadmin: *if* its even documented :) |
| 13:10.38 | courpse | If the tty2-5 would work, i wouldnt have to keep quiting IRC. |
| 13:10.38 | SuperAlekZ | is there a way to list the users that are created on the server? |
| 13:10.40 | valdyn | mastro: worst case scenario is that you have to remove some packages temporarily, thats not really to hard |
| 13:10.57 | nsadmin | if it's not... then you're into "not average user" territory |
| 13:11.03 | abrotman | courpse: if you hit ctrl-alt-f2 ? |
| 13:11.12 | courpse | Doesnt do anything. |
| 13:11.26 | courpse | nm, stoopid mode lock key was on. |
| 13:11.31 | abrotman | mode lock? |
| 13:11.40 | abrotman | doesn't have one of those |
| 13:11.54 | courpse | silly keyboard has 24 F keys. |
| 13:12.03 | abrotman | cute |
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| 13:12.31 | nsadmin | SuperAlekZ: what kind of user? |
| 13:12.43 | SuperAlekZ | like "teamspeak" "gameserver" "webuser" "root" etc. :) |
| 13:12.51 | courpse | And newp, no jibberish comming up after catting /dev/input/mice. |
| 13:13.08 | nsadmin | SuperAlekZ: what file are those defined in? |
| 13:13.09 | mastro | abrotman, thanks.. now I think i can just aptitude install -t stable those packages, right? |
| 13:13.17 | jordanm | SuperAlekZ: getent passwd |
| 13:13.21 | abrotman | mastro: you can try ... |
| 13:13.37 | abrotman | courpse: is this the PS2 or USB ? |
| 13:13.44 | courpse | 1 of each plugged in. |
| 13:14.06 | abrotman | courpse: modprobe psmouse .. does it make a difference ? |
| 13:14.30 | courpse | No difference. |
| 13:14.47 | courpse | Ti be sure, i do: sudo cat /dev/input/mice right? |
| 13:15.05 | nsadmin | also try cat /dev/psaux |
| 13:15.31 | abrotman | /dev/input/mice is supposed to be the aggregate of all mouse activity |
| 13:15.59 | nsadmin | it would be if all mouse drivers aggregated to it |
| 13:16.10 | SuperAlekZ | nsadmin: well i read that i can find 'em in a folder too |
| 13:16.10 | abrotman | they're supposed to, and psmouse and the usb driver do |
| 13:16.20 | SuperAlekZ | in etc/passwd/ or somethin, but i don't have it |
| 13:16.43 | courpse | nsadmin: that /dev/psaux didnt work either. |
| 13:16.49 | nsadmin | SuperAlekZ: what OS are you most used to? |
| 13:17.04 | abrotman | courpse: this might sound dumb .. but are you sure the mice are actually hardware functional? |
| 13:17.14 | SuperAlekZ | nsadmin: win 7, mac, and well.. a bit of debian |
| 13:17.20 | SuperAlekZ | but thanks, found the user i was looking for :) |
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| 13:17.46 | courpse | Yes they are, it was working 30 mins ago, i restarted for and update, and now it doesnt work. |
| 13:17.50 | abrotman | courpse: make sure 'psmouse' is in /etc/modules |
| 13:17.57 | abrotman | an update of what? kernel? X? |
| 13:18.10 | courpse | And since then, i booted the GUI, and it did work for a second (USB). |
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| 13:18.33 | nsadmin | SuperAlekZ: here's the results of my observation... first, you are tackling something that is fairly big, and uses several very different resources (database, web server, possibly others) |
| 13:18.41 | courpse | Sadly, i couldnt tell you what ofapparetly i was really out of date, 229 packages updated. |
| 13:18.57 | abrotman | /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 13:18.57 | SuperAlekZ | nsadmin: but i managed to run a web-server |
| 13:19.02 | SuperAlekZ | and databases |
| 13:19.05 | abrotman | make sure you don't need more updates |
| 13:19.13 | jordanm | SuperAlekZ: and thats scary |
| 13:19.22 | nsadmin | second, you seem to be very new to unix/linux and you don't have your fundamentals together |
| 13:19.44 | nsadmin | just observations, I didn't say it's good or bad |
| 13:19.52 | nsadmin | it's just where you are at this moment |
| 13:19.59 | saulo | Recycle module for Samba if used with "force user" config directs the deleted files (recycle:repository = /recycles/rec_) to "rec_forcedUser" folder, but I want to "rec_realUser" folder. How can I fix this? |
| 13:20.00 | courpse | No more updates available. |
| 13:20.05 | saulo | Recycle module for Samba if used with "force user" config directs the deleted files (recycle:repository = /recycles/rec_% U) to "rec_forcedUser" folder, but I want to "rec_realUser" folder. How can I fix this? |
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| 13:20.42 | NIMA | is there any chanel for intel vga driver ? |
| 13:20.43 | NIMA | is there any chanel for intel vga driver ? |
| 13:20.48 | courpse | It worked after the update, not sure the difference now. |
| 13:20.54 | cantido | NIMA: I doubt it |
| 13:21.01 | Mikae | !tell Mikae debian/rules |
| 13:21.27 | Mikae | !tell Mikae fakeroot |
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| 13:22.26 | NIMA | hmmmmm , but i need some guide for installing intel driver i found a lot of different instruction |
| 13:22.38 | valdyn | NIMA: why would you need to install it? |
| 13:22.40 | cantido | NIMA: install the debian packages |
| 13:23.13 | cranvil | Mikae: just /msg dpkg directly to get answers for yourself (just learned this yesterday for myself) |
| 13:23.18 | NIMA | valdyn, i have some issue with my netbook LCD brightness |
| 13:23.30 | SuperAlekZ | well jordanm i read documentations :D |
| 13:23.30 | valdyn | NIMA: so? |
| 13:23.38 | NIMA | cantido, what is the package name ? |
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| 13:23.58 | cantido | NIMA: LCD brightness isn't controlled by the graphics chipset AFAIK |
| 13:23.59 | nsadmin | that's a good start |
| 13:24.03 | NIMA | valdyn, so i think the issue will fix with driver , am i right ? |
| 13:24.08 | valdyn | NIMA: no |
| 13:24.23 | NIMA | cantido, valdyn so can you please guide me |
| 13:24.43 | valdyn | NIMA: brightness is controlled by your display |
| 13:25.10 | cantido | NIMA: LCD brightness is controlled by some local control bus seperate from the graphics controller IIRC |
| 13:25.12 | nsadmin | SuperAlekZ: don't worry too much, there are lots and lots of basic unix tutorials, which you should go through |
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| 13:25.15 | NIMA | valdyn, hmmmmm , and how can i found out about my display device ? |
| 13:25.23 | valdyn | NIMA: thats typically fn-fx key combinations on netbooks or notebooks |
| 13:25.29 | cantido | I can't remember if it's one of those ACPI things.. |
| 13:25.47 | valdyn | not acpi, typically |
| 13:25.55 | cantido | You can't seem to control the brightness on any Samsung laptop though |
| 13:25.56 | SuperAlekZ | yea but nsadmin i don't got the time :/ |
| 13:26.12 | cantido | valdyn: I forget all the different "PC" subsystems ;) |
| 13:26.21 | nsadmin | then you'll get the business pretty much every time here :) |
| 13:26.36 | NIMA | valdyn, i know about fn key but fn key is not work on my netbook |
| 13:26.47 | cantido | NIMA: apt-cache search laptop keys |
| 13:26.52 | valdyn | fn-fx key combos can require acpi infrastructure, but they can also be "hard wired" |
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| 13:26.59 | cantido | NIMA: there is a daemon that works for most machines |
| 13:27.04 | courpse | Right, mouse is working now, :D |
| 13:27.30 | valdyn | NIMA: look on your keyboard.. or read the netbook manual |
| 13:27.34 | NIMA | cantido, do you mean acpid |
| 13:27.35 | nsadmin | if you don't have time, then you should be learning as much as possible as fast as possible so you don't have to look up every word or ESPECIALLY ask a question about every word |
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| 13:27.46 | valdyn | NIMA: do you see the brightness controls? |
| 13:27.50 | cantido | NIMA: no |
| 13:27.59 | nsadmin | the more solid your unix foundation the less time you will waste |
| 13:28.02 | NIMA | valdyn, where ? |
| 13:28.06 | courpse | Is there anyone who could help me with my xorg.conf file? |
| 13:28.07 | valdyn | NIMA: on your keyboard |
| 13:28.08 | cantido | NIMA: if you press your brightness keys and then look at dmesg you might see unhandled keycodes |
| 13:28.17 | NIMA | cantido, so what deamon ? |
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| 13:28.23 | valdyn | NIMA: stop that |
| 13:28.27 | valdyn | NIMA: find the damn keys |
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| 13:28.33 | cantido | NIMA: press your brightness controls and run dmesg |
| 13:28.40 | NIMA | cantido, ah good point |
| 13:28.40 | valdyn | NIMA: if you dont know the key you can hardly know that its even broken |
| 13:29.11 | nsadmin | but... whatever. your time is yours, and you should always consider the highest and best use of it |
| 13:29.17 | NIMA | valdyn, hmmmm, is the any driver for these key ? |
| 13:29.24 | valdyn | NIMA: is the keys there? |
| 13:29.29 | cantido | NIMA: that depends on the machine |
| 13:29.29 | valdyn | NIMA: did you find them? |
| 13:29.34 | NIMA | valdyn, of course |
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| 13:29.41 | valdyn | at least that |
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| 13:29.57 | valdyn | NIMA: aptitude install acpi-support |
| 13:30.08 | IR7738 | ·.¸¸.·´¯`> WHAT |
| 13:30.30 | NIMA | valdyn, cantido let me try |
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| 13:30.45 | IR7738 | [HELO] ·.¸¸.·´¯`> |
| 13:30.54 | valdyn | IR7738: stop this please |
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| 13:31.16 | IR7738 | ·.¸¸.·´¯`> OK |
| 13:31.45 | Bushmills | microsoft comic chat, or similar, i think |
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| 13:32.15 | valdyn | Bushmills: what is that? |
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| 13:32.33 | abrotman | he was suggesting that guy's IRC client was MS Comic Chat or something like that |
| 13:32.49 | Bushmills | encodes names of mood reflecting pictures into the IRC messages, which are displayed on the other side |
| 13:32.55 | Bushmills | sort of super smilies |
| 13:32.58 | _L30_ | how i install the new kernel? |
| 13:33.13 | abrotman | courpse: all working now? |
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| 13:33.17 | wols | _L30_: like any other package: aptitude or dpkg |
| 13:33.35 | _L30_ | yes |
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| 13:33.55 | courpse | abrotman: Yeah, mouse working, still probs with my xorg thou, mind helping me out a bit with that? |
| 13:34.07 | abrotman | if the mouse is working, what's left? |
| 13:34.16 | courpse | Multi heads. |
| 13:34.22 | courpse | The problem is. |
| 13:34.31 | courpse | Is the third head is on a diff graphics card. |
| 13:35.06 | courpse | Mind if i flood my xorg.conf again for you to see? |
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| 13:35.17 | cantido | You could use Xinerama.. |
| 13:35.18 | abrotman | oh .. i know nothing about nvidia and multihead |
| 13:35.28 | abrotman | especially not with the nvidia binary drivers |
| 13:35.30 | raz | is there an easy way to get a list of all installed packages *and* versions, and use that list to install the same set on another host? |
| 13:35.34 | cantido | isn't sure what Xranr does with multiple cards |
| 13:35.41 | abrotman | !tell raz about aptitude clone |
| 13:36.07 | courpse | The multi head with nvidia is fine, but the other card is a s3 virge. |
| 13:36.29 | cantido | courpse: the nvidia card has multiple outputs, which works with xrandr |
| 13:36.44 | NIMA | cantido, how does acpi-support can help me ? |
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| 13:36.51 | abrotman | courpse: that's probably the problem right there .. those cards are *awful* |
| 13:36.52 | cantido | courpse: but I think if you want to extend across multiple "cards" you need to create the composite display with Xinerama |
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| 13:37.10 | NIMA | cantido, valdyn i try the brightness key and the dmesg but i found nothing |
| 13:37.28 | cantido | NIMA: acpi-support has a bunch of scripts to handle acpi events like screen brightness changes etc.. |
| 13:37.38 | cantido | NIMA: what is the machine you're trying to get this working on? |
| 13:37.57 | NIMA | cantido, lenovo s10-3 netbook |
| 13:38.10 | Sm0ke0ut | how can I 'stresstest' my CPU. I don't need any results or whatsoever. Just want to test stuff related to the load |
| 13:38.11 | courpse | cantido: Sorry, Xinerama is an application in repos? |
| 13:38.12 | cantido | courpse: you'll probably loose the ability to use hardware acceleration on the Nvidia displays though |
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| 13:38.30 | courpse | I dont accelerate, just 3 heads are easier to dev my site withm, :/ |
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| 13:39.06 | courpse | abrotman: Yeah, i know the s3 virges are bad, but power bill is to high to run 2 machines to get 3 heads. |
| 13:39.15 | abrotman | courpse: no, REALLY bad |
| 13:39.18 | rozie | NIMA: as root check echo "3" > /sys/class/backlight/acpi_video0/brightness |
| 13:39.25 | cantido | courpse: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinerama |
| 13:39.27 | rozie | (different values) |
| 13:39.30 | cantido | courpse: actually explains a lot |
| 13:39.32 | raz | abrotman: am i *guaranteed* to get identical packages on the target side using this method? i'm currently trying to fix a host that is showing deterministic seg faults (always on the same binaries) |
| 13:39.43 | courpse | abrotman: I've had it running at 1024/768, and its not bad. |
| 13:39.47 | rozie | NIMA: does it change brightness |
| 13:39.48 | rozie | ? |
| 13:39.54 | courpse | cantido: Awesome., well have a read now. |
| 13:39.55 | smhar | I have a usb huawei device that I have a working wvdial conf file . I tried using it in another computer but it wvdial does not recognize ttyUSB0, both are running debian squeeze |
| 13:39.56 | NIMA | rozie, let me check |
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| 13:40.28 | rozie | if so, you can bind script with xbindkeys to some unused key |
| 13:40.37 | cantido | courpse: you probably use acceleration though.. I don't think the virge is any good at just 2D desktop stuff |
| 13:40.51 | cantido | smhar: you might need usb-modeswitch |
| 13:40.51 | NIMA | rozie, no such file or directory |
| 13:41.03 | rozie | NIMA: any similiar? |
| 13:41.21 | NIMA | rozie, let me check again |
| 13:41.50 | raz | abrotman: ooooh.. that method does not preserve package versions! |
| 13:41.55 | NIMA | rozie, backlight dir is empty |
| 13:42.05 | rozie | hmm |
| 13:42.13 | rozie | do you use stock kernel? |
| 13:42.22 | cantido | NIMA: have you googled your laptop and "linux brightness"? |
| 13:42.22 | rozie | (and what version) |
| 13:42.26 | abrotman | raz: so? |
| 13:42.34 | raz | abrotman: i need those |
| 13:42.48 | abrotman | raz: you don't have a choice .. you get the versions currently available |
| 13:43.15 | abrotman | raz: and your system should be up to date before you start trying to blame software |
| 13:43.16 | raz | abrotman: erm... so what when the versions currently installed segfault? |
| 13:43.24 | NIMA | cantido, yeah but nothing |
| 13:43.32 | abrotman | raz: why isn't the segfaulting system up to date? |
| 13:43.47 | raz | abrotman: it *is*, or at least it thinks it is. "aptitude dist-upgrade" says nothing. |
| 13:43.54 | raz | No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed. |
| 13:44.27 | abrotman | raz: okay .. that's a good start .. you can compare versions later .. worry about the actual packages first |
| 13:44.44 | raz | i've done it with the method you posted already |
| 13:44.48 | raz | so i guess the two hosts have the same pkgs now |
| 13:45.10 | raz | on the problem-host i had temporarily something from testing installed, which i think might have pulled something else in that is causing the trouble now |
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| 13:45.16 | abrotman | raz: so `dpkg -l | grep ^[hi]i` .. then compare the files |
| 13:45.24 | abrotman | erm .. egrep |
| 13:46.03 | _L30_ | how to i upgrade my kernel from 2.6.26-2 to 2.6.32 ? |
| 13:46.11 | abrotman | !tell _L30_ about bpo |
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| 13:47.13 | omes | What dpkg file contains what packages are installed? |
| 13:47.23 | abrotman | omes: /var/lib/dpkg/status |
| 13:47.37 | abrotman | !tell omes about installed |
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| 13:49.24 | omes | abrotman: I know about that, the thing is that this isn'r really running on a machine |
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| 13:49.48 | omes | it's just an image, so I'd like to know what files are packages are installed on that before I decide to use it or not |
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| 13:50.10 | omes | s/files are// |
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| 13:50.21 | smhar | cantido, I found a usb-modswitch.conf in the first computer. I am going to install it on the second computer and transfer the conf file there. hopefully this will work |
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| 13:51.03 | cantido | smhar: the config is probably already inside the usb-modeswitch package.. you want to install that as it hooks into hotplug. |
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| 13:51.43 | smhar | will try that. thanks cantido |
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| 13:56.44 | raz | oh..hehe.. |
| 13:56.46 | raz | famous last words |
| 13:56.47 | raz | Removing libc-bin ... |
| 13:56.50 | wrksx | hi, is it possible to do sthing like this : chown user /www/*/tmp to modify the owner of all the tmp directory in all the /www subdirectory ? |
| 13:57.16 | wrksx | I mean without changing the owner of the subdir |
| 13:57.26 | raz | any way to recover from that or should i reach for the re-install? |
| 13:57.31 | jordanm | wrksx: I would use find with -maxdepth |
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| 13:57.38 | abrotman | raz: wtf .. how did you get to that point ? |
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| 13:57.57 | wrksx | jordanm, thx I'll take a look at this |
| 13:57.59 | cantido | would have install the static busybox first |
| 13:58.07 | raz | abrotman: aptitude install libc6=2.7-18lenny2 |
| 13:58.08 | jordanm | wrksx: http://mywiki.wooledge.org/UsingFind |
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| 13:58.26 | rgouveia | hi ... are there no headers for linux-2.6.32-trunk-686 on testing? |
| 13:58.31 | raz | i thought maybe it would finish.. but somewhere in the middle it kinda "lost itself" ;) |
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| 13:59.43 | jordanm | rgouveia: that kernel is out of date, you need to upgrade to the latest and remove that one |
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| 14:01.08 | omes | is there a way to have dpkg use another status file to do dpkg -l? |
| 14:01.29 | rgouveia | jordanm: well I also have linux-image-2.6.32-3-686 and that looks like it was installed by package trunk. any way to check that out? |
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| 14:01.56 | jordanm | ,kernels |
| 14:01.57 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.34-1-686 (2.6.34-1~experimental.1); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-15); squeeze: 2.6.32-3-686 (2.6.32-9); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.4-686 (2.6.32-11~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-22lenny1); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
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| 14:02.28 | jordanm | rgouveia: that is the right. it should be pulled in by the linux-image-686 meta package. |
| 14:02.43 | wrksx | jordanm, thx, very useful link you provided to me |
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| 14:03.29 | themill | omes: with apt, you pass -o "Dir::State::status=$dir/var/lib/dpkg/status" there will be a similar incantation for dpkg. (or use that aptitude search) |
| 14:03.53 | omes | themill: seems --admindir took care of it :) |
| 14:03.57 | rgouveia | jordanm: I also have linux-image-2.6-686 installed. is that the 'parent' for trunk and 2.6.32? |
| 14:04.01 | omes | that doesnt do what i wanted to |
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| 14:06.06 | jordanm | rgouveia: its the meta package that will always grab the latest |
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| 14:06.38 | danielito | is there another ressource where the sources for apt are defined? |
| 14:06.42 | jordanm | rgouveia: aptitude show linux-image-686; look at "Depends" |
| 14:07.01 | danielito | though NOT in /etc/apt/sources.list listed, apt-get update fails complaining to be not able to download from a server that is not listed |
| 14:07.06 | jordanm | danielito: /etc/apt. view all with apt-cache policy |
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| 14:07.27 | jordanm | danielito: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ |
| 14:07.36 | rgouveia | jordanm: ok ... it lists linux-image-2.6.32-3-686 there |
| 14:07.49 | danielito | jordanm: great, there it is |
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| 14:10.48 | guysoft42 | might anyone know when the next planned kernel release in the experimental brach is? |
| 14:11.19 | catfish | guys, i installed lenny in a kvm vm |
| 14:11.22 | wols | not until .35 is final... |
| 14:11.35 | catfish | i took a 2.26 486 kernel |
| 14:11.42 | catfish | *it |
| 14:11.50 | catfish | is that normal? |
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| 14:14.02 | microtux_ | how can i download debian packages without installing them ? |
| 14:14.08 | OpenTokix | catsup: kvm is always 64bit |
| 14:14.20 | saulo | microtux_: aptitude -d |
| 14:14.50 | microtux_ | saulo, and it downloads the .deb even if it is already installed ? |
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| 14:15.06 | saulo | microtux_: -d option only download packages, no not install them. You can do even aptitude -d safe-upgrade |
| 14:15.23 | nsadmin | microtux_: packages.debian.org |
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| 14:15.28 | saulo | Microtux_: hum... no.. |
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| 14:15.59 | saulo | microtux_: in this case, nsadmin response |
| 14:16.20 | saulo | How could I activate vfs recycle module to support the old behavior? (real user for % U, not "force user" directive value) |
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| 14:17.30 | rgouveia | jordanm: ok ... rebooted with the 2.6.32 and removed the trunk package. thx |
| 14:17.55 | microtux_ | nsadmin, i have a large list of packages and i want to automate the download , it's hard to do it manually |
| 14:18.34 | nsadmin | what are you actually trying to accomplish>? |
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| 14:18.51 | jordanm | microtux_: if its already installed, its likely in /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 14:20.00 | microtux_ | jordanm, i removed them from /var/cache/apt/archives ; that's why i want to download them again :( |
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| 14:21.33 | acu | I have a debian squeeze with multiple virtual machines (qemu-kvm) - each of the machines have a webserver and a website - I have only one static IP - how can I configure such that I have each virtual machine as a webserver ? |
| 14:22.12 | SlayerXP | acu: you don't, mostly. |
| 14:22.24 | SlayerXP | you _could_ use a reverse proxy. |
| 14:22.29 | jordanm | acu: you should really be using one VM with named-based vhosts |
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| 14:24.46 | jordanm | does anyone have a recommendation on a spectrum analyzer that is supported by debian? |
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| 14:26.07 | acu | Can I use one IP with different ports (80 for one site 8080 for the other ?) |
| 14:26.10 | slidesinger | I'm looking for a utility that can keep my monitor from going to sleep. Anybody know one? |
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| 14:28.26 | jordanm | acu: yes, if your gateway forwards to the different machines. its not common to have users access websites on non-standard ports however (especially when this is exactly what named-based vhosts was designed for) |
| 14:28.42 | lindi- | slidesinger: xset q? gnome? |
| 14:29.40 | acu | does anyone what is the official irc for apache webserver ? |
| 14:29.48 | jordanm | acu: #httpd |
| 14:29.56 | acu | thanks jordanm |
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| 14:34.57 | wrksx | what's the equivalent of apache2ctl for Mysql ? |
| 14:35.42 | themill | wrksx: you're probably looking for "invoke-rc.d mysql" (and "invoke-rc.d apache2", for that matter) |
| 14:36.11 | nsadmin | or if you're not, see the man page for what dpkg -L does |
| 14:36.23 | nsadmin | or see #mysql |
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| 14:36.41 | wrksx | themill, don't know , I never heard about invoke-rc.d |
| 14:36.58 | nsadmin | what are you trying to accomplish? |
| 14:37.12 | wrksx | nsadmin, I just came here to check because debian guys renamed httpd as apache2 |
| 14:37.30 | wrksx | nsadmin, tryin to start or stop mysql server with one command |
| 14:37.35 | slidesinger | lindi-: Just using a wm. I will look at xset, thanks. |
| 14:37.44 | nsadmin | under debian? |
| 14:37.48 | wrksx | sure |
| 14:37.55 | jelly | wrksx: invoke-rc.d is not unlike "service" command for redhat |
| 14:38.05 | nsadmin | then, look in the dir /etc/init.d |
| 14:38.13 | wrksx | ik |
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| 14:38.26 | nsadmin | debian packages put scripts in there |
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| 14:39.08 | SlayerXP | wrksx: actually, redhat failed to understand that there are more httpds than apache |
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| 14:39.39 | nsadmin | if it was the purpose of invoke-rc.d to make that functionality more portable, it's misnamed |
| 14:39.48 | wrksx | SlayerXP, why talkin about redhat ? is there a parenty with debian ? |
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| 14:40.22 | dam85 | hello |
| 14:40.25 | mh__ | mjello |
| 14:40.27 | dam85 | is there an apache channel? |
| 14:40.34 | wrksx | #httpd |
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| 14:40.37 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:41.12 | nsadmin | for all questions of the form "is there a X channel" or "what channels are like Y" |
| 14:41.14 | jordanm | SlayerXP: might not have been when they originally named it that |
| 14:41.28 | dam85 | ok i try here |
| 14:41.29 | dam85 | :D |
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| 14:41.50 | dam85 | i have set a CNAME....so when i write bla.domain.it i can reach it |
| 14:42.01 | dam85 | but if i write bla.bla.domain.it i can't reach |
| 14:42.11 | dam85 | i set a CNAME with wildcard |
| 14:42.14 | dam85 | but nothing |
| 14:42.15 | slidesinger | lindi-: I love it. Simple and elegant! Thanks. |
| 14:42.15 | nsadmin | not the same name |
| 14:42.30 | SlayerXP | martin@olga:~$ host bla.domain.it |
| 14:42.30 | SlayerXP | Host bla.domain.it not found: 3(NXDOMAIN) |
| 14:42.41 | SlayerXP | first problem: your domain doesn't exist. |
| 14:42.48 | rgouveia | I want to install glipper but it wants 295 packages as dependencies because of gnome. any way around this? |
| 14:42.57 | abrotman | rgouveia: did you try -R ? |
| 14:43.05 | dam85 | i have created ape.domain.it |
| 14:43.06 | dam85 | with |
| 14:43.09 | rgouveia | abrotman: nope ... aptitude? |
| 14:43.12 | abrotman | rgouveia: yes |
| 14:43.23 | jordanm | rgouveia: --without-recommends, but you may be missing features |
| 14:43.25 | dam85 | ape A MY_IP |
| 14:43.31 | dam85 | then i create a CNAME with: |
| 14:43.40 | dam85 | *.ape CNAME ape. |
| 14:43.51 | abrotman | isn't there a #dns ? |
| 14:44.00 | mh__ | abrotman: you could try :) |
| 14:44.05 | jordanm | if not, there is ##networking |
| 14:44.05 | nsadmin | ape. is not ape.domain.it |
| 14:44.09 | abrotman | isn't looking for help |
| 14:44.13 | SlayerXP | dam85: please top talking until such times as you're prepared to show unobfuscated data |
| 14:44.20 | abrotman | dam85: if you want actual help, give us the actual name |
| 14:44.35 | SlayerXP | stop, even |
| 14:44.41 | dam85 | is the real data |
| 14:44.48 | dam85 | i have installe ape-project.org <---- |
| 14:44.49 | abrotman | dam85: so the REAL domain name is ape.domain.it ? |
| 14:44.53 | abrotman | FINALLY |
| 14:44.56 | dam85 | no |
| 14:44.57 | SlayerXP | i don't think MY_IP is really data |
| 14:45.00 | rgouveia | abrotman: jordanm: better now ... just 105packages. thx |
| 14:45.01 | dam85 | ape.forexforum.it <--- |
| 14:45.04 | dam85 | this is the real |
| 14:45.11 | dam85 | as you can see it reachable |
| 14:45.57 | nsadmin | *.ape CNAME ape. |
| 14:46.00 | abrotman | i can see it resolves |
| 14:46.05 | dam85 | 0.ape.forexforum.it not |
| 14:46.07 | dam85 | yes |
| 14:46.07 | nsadmin | take the . off the end |
| 14:46.12 | dam85 | ah ok |
| 14:46.17 | dam85 | remove the . |
| 14:46.18 | dam85 | ok |
| 14:46.22 | dam85 | one moment. |
| 14:46.29 | nsadmin | do you understand why? |
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| 14:47.41 | dam85 | hmmm no |
| 14:47.44 | dam85 | why? :) |
| 14:47.52 | abrotman | this could take days :) |
| 14:48.04 | nsadmin | putting the . on the end caps it |
| 14:48.14 | nsadmin | you'd put debian.org. |
| 14:48.33 | nsadmin | to make sure it's not debian.org.loves.microsoft.com |
| 14:48.37 | themill | thinks nsadmin is just hitting his stride about now |
| 14:48.49 | abrotman | nsadmin: you act like that's bad |
| 14:48.52 | dam85 | hmmm could you try? |
| 14:49.00 | dam85 | 0.ape.forexforum.it i do not resolve it |
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| 14:49.03 | dam85 | coul you try? |
| 14:49.11 | abrotman | dam85: did you reload your zone file? |
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| 14:49.28 | dam85 | sure |
| 14:49.33 | jelly | dig +short whatev.ape.forexforum.it. works from here |
| 14:49.35 | nsadmin | it's going to take an hour or two at least for the dns propigation to get to me |
| 14:49.40 | dam85 | with: rndc reload |
| 14:49.45 | abrotman | dam85: works for me here also |
| 14:49.45 | jelly | propigates nsadmin |
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| 14:50.01 | dam85 | aaah ok!! perfect thnak you guys! i try to another pc |
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| 14:50.25 | nsadmin | did you inc the serial number? |
| 14:50.29 | dam85 | yes |
| 14:50.32 | ethanol | does debian use `service` ? |
| 14:50.37 | jelly | /exec -o host this-site-sucks.ape.forexforum.it |
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| 14:50.52 | dam85 | :) |
| 14:50.53 | jelly | ethanol: sometimes |
| 14:50.54 | dam85 | ok |
| 14:50.55 | ethanol | or rather, does it use service in a debian-specific manner perhaps? |
| 14:51.09 | ethanol | cause `service` is unknown on my etch and lenny machines |
| 14:51.19 | abrotman | ethanol: to do what? |
| 14:51.23 | nsadmin | evidently not |
| 14:51.28 | ethanol | like `service mysql start` |
| 14:51.42 | jelly | judd: file /usr/sbin/service --release squeeze |
| 14:51.42 | abrotman | ethanol: invoke-rc.d |
| 14:51.45 | judd | /usr/sbin/service in squeeze/i386: sysvinit-utils: usr/sbin/service |
| 14:51.55 | ethanol | ah |
| 14:52.19 | jordanm | service is a RHEL command. invoke-rc.d is the debian equiv |
| 14:52.30 | jelly | it rolls on the keyboard much more easily than %@#$ invoke-rc.d |
| 14:52.47 | nsadmin | and it's named properly |
| 14:52.49 | jordanm | jelly: you mean inv[tab]? |
| 14:52.54 | jelly | jordanm: no. |
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| 14:53.41 | tbsaunde | hey, any ideas on why grub2 would say unknown file system for a partition with ext4 |
| 14:54.06 | abrotman | you're using lenny? |
| 14:54.08 | jelly | tbsaunde: which version of grub2? Which debian release? |
| 14:54.18 | cahoot | need to explicitly load ext4? |
| 14:54.34 | jelly | cahoot: nah, ext2 module handles it |
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| 14:55.00 | tbsaunde | abrotman: squeeze, installed just know with debootstrap |
| 14:55.30 | tbsaunde | jelly: not sure of the exact version, I'll check |
| 14:55.40 | tbsaunde | jelly: but it should be whatever is in squeeze |
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| 14:57.08 | tbsaunde | jelly: yes, 1.98-1, from squeeze |
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| 15:00.18 | dam85 | i haven't dig command |
| 15:00.19 | dam85 | °_° |
| 15:00.30 | tbsaunde | so, any other ideas? |
| 15:00.37 | nsadmin | no dig? |
| 15:00.43 | dam85 | no |
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| 15:00.54 | nsadmin | hmm... |
| 15:01.05 | nsadmin | what would you do when you don't have something... |
| 15:01.15 | petemc | give up |
| 15:01.15 | dam85 | i tried |
| 15:01.19 | dam85 | aptitude install dig |
| 15:01.19 | dam85 | :D |
| 15:01.24 | nsadmin | is trying to think.... |
| 15:01.24 | abrotman | dam85: LESS ENTER KEY |
| 15:01.29 | nsadmin | nothing is happening! |
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| 15:01.37 | dam85 | ops sorry |
| 15:01.43 | abrotman | tbsaunde: isn't there a mod to load ? |
| 15:01.51 | cantido | dam85: dnsutils |
| 15:02.02 | dam85 | thank you |
| 15:02.07 | abrotman | takes cantido's fishing pole |
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| 15:02.27 | nsadmin | oh, why didn't I think of that... you would -install- it... |
| 15:02.36 | cantido | cries |
| 15:03.31 | tbsaunde | abrotman: maybe? I know basically nothing about grub2 |
| 15:03.52 | nsadmin | why use it then? |
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| 15:04.08 | tbsaunde | abrotman: what would I look, or tell grub to load it? |
| 15:04.22 | tbsaunde | nsadmin: was that to me? |
| 15:04.42 | nsadmin | yeah... why use it if you don't know anything about it? |
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| 15:05.31 | abrotman | nsadmin: it's the default onw |
| 15:05.32 | abrotman | now |
| 15:05.45 | Andy-at-home | anyone know of a package that will display where all my hard drive space is used? either by directory size or by package size |
| 15:05.46 | nsadmin | in squeeze? |
| 15:05.50 | abrotman | yes |
| 15:05.53 | tbsaunde | nsadmin: because it's the defualt, I'll go back to grub legacy, but figure I should learn some day |
| 15:06.03 | abrotman | tbsaunde: you should figure it out today :) |
| 15:06.09 | nsadmin | ahh |
| 15:06.12 | tbsaunde | Andy-at-home: df |
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| 15:06.26 | nsadmin | not by package size |
| 15:06.37 | nsadmin | Andy-at-home |
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| 15:06.51 | tbsaunde | abrotman: other than the code, were can I figure it out? |
| 15:07.22 | jpinx-eeepc | Andy-at-home: du will give details, but use the --max-depth option or you could tie it up for a while |
| 15:07.34 | abrotman | tbsaunde: any other stuff "different" about the install like mdraid or lvm ? |
| 15:08.08 | abrotman | looks like the ext2.mod should now support it |
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| 15:08.14 | abrotman | judd: versions grub2 |
| 15:08.15 | judd | grub2 -- etch-backports: 1.96+20080626-1~bpo40+2; lenny: 1.96+20080724-16; lenny-backports: 1.97~beta3-1~bpo50+1; squeeze: 1.98-1; sid: 1.98+20100602-1 |
| 15:08.15 | tbsaunde | abrotman: debootstrap like I said, but no mdrad or lvm, three normal partitions with 1 swap and 2 ext4 home and / |
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| 15:08.21 | abrotman | and the version in squeeze isnew enough |
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| 15:08.25 | courpse | This is my xorg.conf file, can anyone see why it would be unloading the module s3? http://pastebin.com/T3zL2WtK Log file of Xorg.0.log http://pastebin.com/TYgC29xa |
| 15:08.32 | abrotman | tbsaunde: it is grub1.98 right ? |
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| 15:08.57 | Andy-at-home | both those cli would have done but ive just found Disk Usage Analyser |
| 15:09.22 | martianlobster | I have a process that I just can't kill |
| 15:09.23 | tbsaunde | abrotman: 1.98-1 just installed |
| 15:09.23 | martianlobster | root 27278 36.3 51.9 6395664 4260284 ? Rl 11:04 1:50 /home/orats/profile.code/RedSkyLib.2.0.1.12/mcprice.checkall.feeds |
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| 15:09.36 | martianlobster | I have tried kill -KILL 27278 several times, but it just wont die |
| 15:09.48 | SlayerXP | martianlobster: what's it doing? |
| 15:09.52 | jpinx-eeepc | martianlobster: as rroot do kill -9 ### |
| 15:09.58 | martianlobster | ok |
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| 15:10.53 | abrotman | martianlobster: kill parent ? |
| 15:10.54 | Andy-at-home | my lib and share directories are taking up a lot of space, is there anything I can delete fro them? |
| 15:10.59 | martianlobster | I just tried the kill -9 27278, and it still wont die |
| 15:11.02 | martianlobster | wierd |
| 15:11.16 | jelly | tbsaunde: meh, just get yourself grub-legacy and fiddle with grub-pc when you have time |
| 15:11.19 | martianlobster | SlayerXP: it is just sitting there taking up resources |
| 15:11.30 | jpinx-eeepc | martianlobster: what does top say and ps -e |
| 15:11.37 | wols | Andy-at-home: somehwere in the share directories there are various languages IIRC |
| 15:11.45 | wols | you might be able to remove the ones you don't speak |
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| 15:11.58 | martianlobster | it doesn't appear with ps -e |
| 15:12.01 | SlayerXP | martianlobster: yes, but what _exactly_ is it doing? strace it. |
| 15:12.04 | martianlobster | though it does appear with ps -aux |
| 15:12.10 | jpinx-eeepc | martianlobster: as root? |
| 15:12.11 | tbsaunde | abrotman: so I should make sure ext2.mod is loaded? |
| 15:12.11 | wols | of course next time you upgrade the package the language file belongs to, it will be back |
| 15:12.15 | martianlobster | yes I am root |
| 15:12.17 | jelly | martianlobster: that's quite a lot of memory the process ate. If some of it is swapped out, the process won't die til it's all paged back in |
| 15:12.18 | abrotman | tbsaunde: that's the way it seems |
| 15:12.32 | tbsaunde | jelly: I have the time, I even get paid for it :) |
| 15:12.34 | martianlobster | jelly: ok that explains it |
| 15:12.36 | martianlobster | lol |
| 15:12.39 | abrotman | tbsaunde: you might want to look in /usr/share/doc/grub* to see if there is anything helpful there |
| 15:12.55 | jpinx-eeepc | martianlobster: do the kill -9 again a few times till the memory7 frees up |
| 15:13.08 | jelly | jpinx-eeepc: that doesn't do anything |
| 15:13.34 | martianlobster | I think it is dead enough, and it will die completely if I leave it alone |
| 15:13.41 | martianlobster | I have 8 gig of memory on this machine, so it is ok |
| 15:13.52 | jelly | martianlobster: and how much swap/ |
| 15:14.07 | jelly | martianlobster: and how much of it is in use? |
| 15:14.34 | martianlobster | about 10 gig of swap |
| 15:14.39 | martianlobster | 792 meg in use |
| 15:14.44 | tbsaunde | abrotman: there should be /boot/grub/*.mod right? |
| 15:14.48 | abrotman | yep |
| 15:14.56 | tbsaunde | abrotman: they don't seem to exist here |
| 15:14.58 | abrotman | or there is on every system i have with grub2 |
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| 15:15.05 | Andy-at-home | i cant delete files from the gnome explorer since im not logged in as admin, how do i delete files from GUI? |
| 15:15.08 | abrotman | tbsaunde: dpkg -l "grub*" .. what do you have ? |
| 15:15.13 | Appetite | um martianlobster you should be usin 0 swap O.o |
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| 15:15.24 | martianlobster | :-/ |
| 15:15.34 | abrotman | Appetite: depends on the server and what it does |
| 15:15.37 | tbsaunde | abrotman: one minute while I setup a chroot |
| 15:15.38 | Appetite | and 10gig is a waste if u have 8gb rm |
| 15:16.04 | Appetite | abrotman: kinda, but it really shouldn't use swap anyway, just get more ram |
| 15:16.07 | abrotman | Appetite: if say, it hosts 30 VMs, or 10 oracle DBs .. 8GB might not be that much |
| 15:16.30 | Appetite | abrotman: if you have that then you shouldn't be running on only 8gb of ram |
| 15:16.45 | abrotman | Appetite: maybe it was expanded from its original planned usage? |
| 15:16.55 | abrotman | a million reasons, it's not your machien, you have no idea what he does with it |
| 15:17.05 | Appetite | in which case more ram should be purchased |
| 15:17.14 | abrotman | not always possible |
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| 15:17.39 | wols | abrotman: you can always pay the equivalent of a new system for (stacked) dimms :) |
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| 15:17.51 | abrotman | wols: right .. great plan |
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| 15:20.31 | fruitwerks | where is the doc to configure daily run reports? |
| 15:20.40 | abrotman | run reports of what? |
| 15:20.54 | fruitwerks | mmm... standard system stuff? |
| 15:21.05 | abrotman | tbsaunde: it's in my grub-pc package |
| 15:21.09 | abrotman | fruitwerks: be less vague |
| 15:21.15 | abrotman | and if this is about some other OS again ... |
| 15:21.18 | wols | fruitwerks: /etc/crontab /etc/cron.daily/ ? |
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| 15:21.45 | fruitwerks | yes wols - that is the right direction |
| 15:23.12 | fruitwerks | ... nevermind |
| 15:23.13 | tbsaunde | abrotman: the following are installed II, do you want a paste bin? grub-common, grub2 grub-pc and grub |
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| 15:28.51 | martianlobster | figured out the problem |
| 15:29.01 | martianlobster | my test app, was eating all the memory, then starting on the swap file |
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| 15:29.06 | deed02392 | Guys help! I attempted to run this command: date --set=`date -u +%T`; and my server seems to have gone down. |
| 15:29.09 | martianlobster | and the server became very upset |
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| 15:29.20 | martianlobster | thanks guys |
| 15:29.21 | martianlobster | ttyl |
| 15:29.45 | samantha-c | deed02392: define "gone down" |
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| 15:30.19 | geograsX | hi |
| 15:30.32 | deed02392 | samantha-c, I can't connect via SSH |
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| 15:30.42 | samantha-c | deed02392: ping? |
| 15:30.44 | nsadmin | can you ping it? |
| 15:30.47 | geograsX | i want to fix my tty screen to watch videos with the mplayer |
| 15:30.48 | nsadmin | err :) |
| 15:31.03 | geograsX | how do i modify the menu.list? |
| 15:31.05 | deed02392 | after sending that command it returned a new line, then froze |
| 15:31.06 | deed02392 | now I can't connect via SSH and the webserver it's running times out |
| 15:31.14 | samantha-c | deed02392: ping? |
| 15:31.23 | deed02392 | nope, timeout |
| 15:31.32 | samantha-c | deed02392: hard boot. |
| 15:32.00 | nsadmin | is this a remote? |
| 15:32.05 | deed02392 | it's in a datacenter :/ |
| 15:32.05 | deed02392 | how could this have happened? surely that command shouldn't have caused this |
| 15:32.13 | deed02392 | yeah |
| 15:32.14 | deed02392 | VPS |
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| 15:32.39 | nsadmin | do you have a console, like on another ip or something? |
| 15:32.54 | nsadmin | do they provide a console? |
| 15:32.55 | krion | i can't manage to make modperl works with apache2 |
| 15:33.05 | krion | don't know where i'm wrong... |
| 15:33.20 | deed02392 | No I have a client portal but that doesn't tell me anything nsadmin |
| 15:33.57 | nsadmin | looks like it's last resort time then |
| 15:34.24 | samantha-c | support ticket. :) |
| 15:35.00 | nsadmin | why did you want to change the date anyway? |
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| 15:35.21 | krion | here's my pastebin if anyone has a clue... http://pastebin.com/LYz5zX4M |
| 15:35.43 | krion | -Indexes (who would not show Indexes right ?) doesn't seem to be working too.. |
| 15:36.05 | deed02392 | it was wrong nsadmin |
| 15:36.05 | deed02392 | well the time was |
| 15:36.11 | krion | apache2 -t -D DUMP_VHOSTS correctly print my vhost |
| 15:36.16 | nsadmin | why not run ntp? |
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| 15:36.35 | nsadmin | have the server on UTC and run ntp |
| 15:37.00 | nsadmin | then when you log in via ssh it sets your tz |
| 15:38.23 | karlpinc | nsadmin: The time does have to be kinda sorta right or ntp won't reset it. |
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| 15:39.06 | deed02392 | nsadmin, that's what I did |
| 15:39.13 | deed02392 | I've got openntpd |
| 15:39.15 | deed02392 | and UTC time is fine |
| 15:39.24 | deed02392 | i changed /etc/timezone to have 'Etc/UTC' |
| 15:39.25 | deed02392 | rebooted |
| 15:39.30 | deed02392 | and it was still forward by four hours |
| 15:39.43 | abrotman | tbsaunde: and none have ext2.mod ? |
| 15:40.05 | deed02392 | so i tried using date to set the time to UTC |
| 15:40.05 | deed02392 | and i've lost all connection to it |
| 15:40.34 | Bushmills | deed02392: afaik, openntpd does not periodically set your CMOS clock |
| 15:40.35 | karlpinc | deed02392: The timezone should be the zone you're in, not utc, unless you want to see all your times in utc. |
| 15:40.50 | tbsaunde | abrotman: ok, I did dpkg -L grub-pc, and it had a /usr/lib/grub/i386pc/ext2.mod |
| 15:41.02 | Bushmills | so after a reboot, you may be back to wring cmos time |
| 15:41.06 | tbsaunde | abrotman: let me see if it buts one in boot, I didn't catch that yet |
| 15:41.07 | karlpinc | Bushmills: I thought a "good" shutdown sequence would though. ? |
| 15:41.09 | Bushmills | wrong |
| 15:41.11 | abrotman | tbsaunde: oh, yes .. i'm stupid |
| 15:41.28 | deed02392 | well i DO want to see all my times in utc karlpinc |
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| 15:42.05 | nsadmin | the cmos clock is read on boot, and not used after... the time structures are in kernel space |
| 15:42.05 | deed02392 | and Bushmills, openntpd does not have that capability |
| 15:42.05 | deed02392 | besides, this is a VPS |
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| 15:42.55 | Bushmills | you hwclock.sh init script should set cmos time on stop |
| 15:43.01 | nsadmin | ohh so there's no cmos |
| 15:43.04 | karlpinc | Bushmills: /etc/rc6.d/K25hwclock.sh sets the cmos clock on shutdown. |
| 15:43.09 | tbsaunde | abrotman: oh? my gues is that some script buts them in /boot/grub, I can just copy the ext2.mdo one manually |
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| 15:44.22 | guysoft42 | might anyone know when the next planned kernel release in the experimental branch is? |
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| 15:44.44 | nsadmin | waldi would know if anyone |
| 15:44.55 | jelly | guysoft42: you ought to ask the debian kernel team |
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| 15:45.06 | deed02392 | it's on an OpenVZ platform so I don't think the CMOS really comes into play here |
| 15:45.31 | karlpinc | nsadmin: I'd have thought that virtual boxes would have a virtual cmos clock, that you could at least set to an offset from the hypervisor's clock. Do _any_ of them do this? |
| 15:45.34 | nsadmin | so you should run ntpdate |
| 15:45.34 | Bushmills | deed02392: you could, maybe, execute a ntpdate -b server just before starting ntp server |
| 15:45.50 | nsadmin | karl: dunno :) |
| 15:45.55 | jelly | guysoft42: #debian-kernel on irc.oftc.net |
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| 15:46.14 | abrotman | tbsaunde: there is a --modules option |
| 15:46.29 | tbsaunde | abrotman: to? |
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| 15:47.20 | jelly | grub-install |
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| 15:47.51 | geograsX | thx |
| 15:48.21 | geograsX | i just had to add vga=791 to the kernel line in the menu.list |
| 15:48.29 | geograsX | so simple |
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| 15:48.57 | geograsX | but i have a new problem.. my mplayer does not show the videos |
| 15:49.02 | geograsX | only sound |
| 15:49.37 | tbsaunde | jelly: oh, and you have to run that yourself? |
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| 15:50.19 | petemc | geograsX: you probably need to pick an appropriate video output |
| 15:50.22 | Bushmills | geograsX: try different video out device |
| 15:50.25 | jhutchins_lt | geograsX: Check the video output settings. |
| 15:50.29 | Bushmills | for example, -vo x11 |
| 15:50.54 | jelly | tbsaunde: when things go south, you have to do lots of things manually |
| 15:51.05 | deed02392 | Bushmills how might that help? |
| 15:51.30 | Bushmills | deed02392: it sets your time right, so when ntpd starts, it needs to slew only slightly |
| 15:51.51 | jhutchins_lt | Bushmills: Check out the start-up options for ntpd - no need for an ntpdate. |
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| 15:52.06 | deed02392 | ah i see |
| 15:52.09 | deed02392 | i was getting some large numbers from openntpd in syslog followed by an adjtime error |
| 15:52.09 | Bushmills | jhutchins, he's using openntpd |
| 15:52.20 | tbsaunde | jelly: sure, but why didn't dpkg -i grub-pc do that? |
| 15:52.22 | Bushmills | that's the bsd implementation |
| 15:53.05 | Bushmills | jhutchins, by the way, ntpd may give better results |
| 15:53.06 | jelly | tbsaunde: er... are you asking me why is a package in debian testing buggy? |
| 15:53.22 | Bushmills | i tried openntpd, crony and ntpd for a comparison |
| 15:53.49 | Bushmills | plus, you can use what jhutchins_lt just suggested |
| 15:53.57 | tbsaunde | jelly: sort of, that sems like a rather obvious bug, the kind that would get found and fixed |
| 15:54.18 | deed02392 | anyone here recommend a reverse web proxy for the debian platform? |
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| 15:55.23 | tbsaunde | ok, I copied ext2.mod to /boot/grub, and tried to boot, same problem |
| 15:55.52 | jelly | tbsaunde: why would you do a silly thing like that? |
| 15:55.54 | tbsaunde | Shouldn't the module for the fs be built into grub somehow, or what else do I have to do? |
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| 15:56.26 | tbsaunde | jelly: oh, so you guys are thinking grub-install never ran? |
| 15:56.29 | jelly | tbsaunde: I thought you were going to grub-install --modules="...." |
| 15:56.56 | tbsaunde | jelly: no misunderstood I'll do that |
| 15:56.57 | sistemas21 | hola amigos tengo una pregunta...que vendria hacer exactamente lo cuando uno hace ifconfig_ |
| 15:56.59 | sistemas21 | > |
| 15:57.09 | jelly | ¿Que? |
| 15:57.15 | Pudgy | Is anybody using OL(v)WM as regular WM these days? |
| 15:57.15 | jelly | !es |
| 15:57.15 | dpkg | Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat |
| 15:57.16 | sistemas21 | osea para que sirve_ |
| 15:57.23 | jpinx-eeepc | sistemas21: .es |
| 15:57.33 | sistemas21 | ups sq |
| 15:57.43 | saulo | I have Samba + LDAP. My primary group SID is returning 513 (pdbedit -Lv saulo), but I have sambaPrimaryGroupSID with S-1-...-512 in my LDAP entry, what's wrong? |
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| 16:00.41 | os_admin | hello, i have mail server when i send an email to it i recieved mailer deamon |
| 16:00.55 | bluethundr | I have SSH enabled on the firewall of this box.. yet when I try to ssh I get this message: http://pastebin.com/nCP6UeAS |
| 16:01.01 | os_admin | it rejected all email |
| 16:01.18 | Bushmills | os_admin: sounds like your solution would be to fix your configuration |
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| 16:02.05 | os_admin | postfix mysql |
| 16:02.25 | jelly | os_admin: try being more specific. Which mail server software? which debian release? which version of software? have you checked your mail logs? |
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| 16:02.36 | os_admin | debian lenny |
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| 16:02.37 | tbsaunde | abrotman: jelly ok, boots, I have a different issue to deal with know thanks :) |
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| 16:02.40 | Bushmills | 1. read logs. 2. interpret them. 3. extract error cause from them. 4. act upon error cause |
| 16:02.47 | os_admin | i use postfix mysql |
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| 16:03.59 | karlpinc | bluethundr: The message says the remote end is not listening. You can use netstat to see if it is. You can look at the logs to see what the daemon says. Most likely it is listening and your firewall is blocking the connection, but who knows? |
| 16:04.33 | karlpinc | bluethundr: You can ssh from the box to itself to test the ssh server. |
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| 16:04.45 | os_admin | yes this a part of mail.log admgl0v@fermat:~$ sudo tail -f /var/log/mail.log | grep usernamel |
| 16:04.45 | os_admin | Jun 4 13:38:53 fermat postfix/smtpd[14552]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from mail-yx0-f180.google.com[209.85.213.180]: 554 5.7.1 <username@domain.net>: Relay access denied; from=<username@gmail.com> to=<username@domain.net> proto=ESMTP helo=<mail-yx0-f180.google.com> |
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| 16:05.43 | Bushmills | your problem is "Relay access denied" |
| 16:06.00 | Bushmills | that's server's way to say "why should i send your mail to another server?" |
| 16:06.01 | karlpinc | os_admin: So, postfix does not think domain.net is a domain it should be receiving mail for. "man mailname", unless you've done something odd with your config. |
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| 16:07.15 | simonrvn | why he's using google's mta is beyond me |
| 16:07.38 | Bushmills | dont *dare* to enable relaying for everybody |
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| 16:08.16 | simonrvn | otherwise we'll have to spank you |
| 16:08.27 | Bushmills | simonrvn: because mail to gmail is forwarded to that server |
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| 16:09.31 | simonrvn | ok, i interpreted the postfix output as him trying to send mail to somewhere else besides gmail, via gmail, from his domain |
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| 16:12.37 | jelly | quite a liberal interpretation |
| 16:12.48 | simonrvn | probably =) |
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| 16:23.52 | _L30_ | apt-get not working correctly |
| 16:24.03 | _L30_ | packages get downloaded yet they dont install |
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| 16:24.13 | _L30_ | or nothing looks to happen |
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| 16:25.27 | _L30_ | something popups like "media change please insert the disc labelled " |
| 16:25.30 | _L30_ | nothing after that |
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| 16:25.39 | _L30_ | however i see the network activity |
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| 16:27.29 | osmosis | I have two 2TB western digital drives, on software raid1 and LVM. Im getting high IOWAIT. How can I determine the cause? |
| 16:27.45 | valdyn | osmosis: thats not a bad thing |
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| 16:27.48 | yareckon | lenny guests on etch xen host? |
| 16:27.56 | valdyn | osmosis: the cause is that your disks are slow, but disks *are* slow, always |
| 16:27.59 | yareckon | is that crazy talk^ |
| 16:28.43 | osmosis | valdyn, nah...this is EXTREMELY SLOW |
| 16:28.48 | yareckon | there is a big etch xen host a twork... but we need to get our development server onto lenny for php mysql upgrades etc... |
| 16:28.53 | valdyn | osmosis: it also means that if you want to get that operation that is causing high i/o wait then you need faster disks |
| 16:28.57 | valdyn | osmosis: how slow? |
| 16:29.07 | valdyn | osmosis: what is the output of "cat /proc/mdstat" ? |
| 16:29.38 | osmosis | valdyn, http://dpaste.com/203228/ |
| 16:29.43 | yareckon | the development server is an etch xen guest at the moment |
| 16:29.57 | osmosis | valdyn, i have a munin graph showing the high iowait. not sure what command to do from the prompt to get the actual numbers. |
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| 16:30.03 | yareckon | so dunno if anyone can tell me if upgrading it to lenny is a horrible idea? |
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| 16:30.11 | valdyn | osmosis: please ignore the high iowait |
| 16:30.17 | gernot | Hi. How can I find out which package provides dirsplit? Or does somebody know? |
| 16:30.37 | valdyn | osmosis: instead examine the disk thruput to see if its "ok" or should be higher considering you having slow disks.. |
| 16:30.46 | _L30_ | apt-get not working correctly |
| 16:30.51 | _L30_ | or nothing looks to happen |
| 16:30.55 | _L30_ | however i see the network activity |
| 16:30.59 | _L30_ | something popups like "media change please insert the disc labelled " |
| 16:31.08 | _L30_ | packages get downloaded yet they dont install |
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| 16:31.30 | osmosis | valdyn, using a dd test? |
| 16:31.49 | valdyn | osmosis: when do you get that "high" io wait? |
| 16:31.55 | yareckon | _L30_, you may need to see if you still have a cd rom in your /etc/apt/sources.list file |
| 16:31.57 | tbsaunde | _L30_: remove the cdrom entry from sources.list? |
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| 16:32.19 | osmosis | valdyn, its constant. |
| 16:32.38 | valdyn | osmosis: what is your system doing? nothing? |
| 16:32.51 | valdyn | osmosis: you get high iowait while your system is idling? I somehow cannot believe that. |
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| 16:33.19 | osmosis | valdyn, i have some apache and mysql happening. |
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| 16:33.55 | valdyn | osmosis: how am I supposed to give a qualified comment when you are as vague as you can possibly be? |
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| 16:36.08 | osmosis | valdyn, sorry. i appreciate you feedback. yes, some web and mysql running. iowait is about as high as the user time. |
| 16:36.22 | valdyn | osmosis: ignore the io wait |
| 16:36.30 | valdyn | osmosis: its irrelevant for you at this point |
| 16:36.35 | osmosis | im running sudo hdparm -Tt /dev/sda to get some data |
| 16:36.55 | valdyn | osmosis: you need to examine the workload your disks are delivering and determine if that is what to expect |
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| 16:37.10 | valdyn | osmosis: your iowait can also be caused by your network bandwidth being saturated |
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| 16:37.51 | valdyn | osmosis: this high iowait *only* tells you that your system is being limited by its input and output and that it is not limited by your cpu speed. |
| 16:37.53 | _L30_ | tbsaunde: |
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| 16:39.15 | osmosis | valdyn, http://dpaste.com/203232/ hdparm output looks fairly good. dont see any issue there |
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| 16:43.33 | geograsX | hi |
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| 16:43.59 | geograsX | how to i do to hear a sound anytime a have activity on a tty? |
| 16:44.06 | geograsX | or something |
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| 16:44.22 | geograsX | i dont care what it's but something |
| 16:44.54 | Mefached | I have a 40 GB drive that I set to be entirely one drive (except for the swap partition at 1 GB), however, it's only allowing me to use ~6 GB of it. When I try to add more, it complains of being full. Is there a simple fix? |
| 16:45.46 | Bushmills | Mefached: does fdisk -l suggest that you have a larger partition on the drive? |
| 16:46.14 | Mefached | No, I checked. I only have two partitions: the primary one and the swap partition. |
| 16:46.55 | jhutchins_lt | Mefached: what does df show? |
| 16:47.21 | Bushmills | open drive with fdisk. press v . also verify that partition size is what you expect it to be |
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| 16:48.19 | Mefached | Bushmills, "75505436 unallocated 512-byte sectors" |
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| 16:48.27 | Bushmills | there you are |
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| 16:48.57 | guysoft42 | jelly, where are the debian kernel team? |
| 16:49.00 | Mefached | Hm. I swear I told the installation process to use the entire drive. |
| 16:49.07 | Mefached | Oh well, I'll go fire up Gparted. Thanks everyone. |
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| 16:50.52 | Mefached | Gparted says that /dev/hda1 is 36.00 GB. Experience begs to differ. |
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| 16:52.03 | gluon | shouldn't build-essential install autoconf/automake too? |
| 16:53.04 | Bushmills | Mefached: for a third opinion, use disktype, on drive and on partitions |
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| 16:53.48 | wad | My script runs socat to send data to another machine listening on the network. When that other machine drops off, socat disconnects. When the listener comes back, it doesn't pick up the data anymore. Any ideas how to solve this problem? I tried wrapping the socat command in a while loop, but since it doesn't actually exit when the connection disappears, this doesn't work. |
| 16:54.10 | aalex_ | Hi. To install Debian unstable, I need to download the testing netinstall, install it, and then upgrade to unstable. Right? |
| 16:54.25 | aalex_ | Can't I just download an unstable netinstall CD? |
| 16:54.30 | aalex_ | directly |
| 16:54.55 | wols | aalex_: wrong way to do it. and you aptly showed why you shouldn't run sid in the first place. |
| 16:55.01 | wols | so please go and install stable |
| 16:55.24 | aalex_ | wols, install stable and then upgrade to unstable? |
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| 16:55.34 | Mefached | Disktype says that the device itself is 36.00 GB, but the volume size is 6.519 GB. How do I repair the discrepancy? |
| 16:55.54 | Mefached | Sid is fun in the same manner as Russian Roulette is fun. :D |
| 16:56.53 | wols | Mefached: how big is the PARTITION? |
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| 16:57.15 | Mefached | 36.00 GB. |
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| 16:57.35 | wols | what what exactly is 6 GB in size then? the filesystem? |
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| 16:58.12 | Mefached | Yes, the ext3 filesystem is 6 GB. Gparted is telling me that the remaining ~29 GB is "used", which doesn't make any sense. |
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| 17:01.17 | tvmanukrishnan | just installed Debian squeeze testing on an old Toshiba Satellite pro 4600. the display is still 800x600 resolution and occupies only the middle of screen any fixes? where is the xorg.conf file located? I can't find it |
| 17:01.25 | Bushmills | Mefached: what file system? |
| 17:01.43 | Bushmills | ah. ext3. have you tried fsck? |
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| 17:04.35 | jordanm | tvmanukrishnan: xorg.conf is not required as of lenny (unless you need proprietary drivers). check xrandr and /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 17:05.07 | Mefached | fsck has been run on it a few times during the boot process, would that not count? |
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| 17:06.00 | abrotman | tvmanukrishnan: lspci -nn | grep VGA .. what is the device? |
| 17:06.44 | tvmanukrishnan | Jordanm: xrandr says maximum resolution is 800x600 and the log is not there |
| 17:07.16 | tvmanukrishnan | abrotman: Trident Microsystems Cyberblade/XP |
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| 17:08.46 | saulo | I want debug my LAN at server to create some iptables rules and I'm think use wireshark, but there are some way to put it silently to save the traffic to a file? |
| 17:08.50 | abrotman | tvmanukrishnan: good luck! |
| 17:09.00 | abrotman | tvmanukrishnan: i actually asked for -nn .. which makes a difference |
| 17:10.15 | tvmanukrishnan | abrotman: so, what to do now? |
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| 17:10.22 | abrotman | tvmanukrishnan: lspci -nn | grep VGA |
| 17:11.26 | tvmanukrishnan | abrotman: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Trident.. |
| 17:12.16 | tvmanukrishnan | abrotman: that's what I get. are trident drivers proprietary? |
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| 17:14.42 | rvsjoen | show the whole line |
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| 17:15.00 | tvmanukrishnan | I hope changing the resolution to a higher one might fix the problem. but how can I do it in squeeze? |
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| 17:15.23 | abrotman | tvmanukrishnan: i really want to see the whole line |
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| 17:15.58 | tvmanukrishnan | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Trident Microsystems Cyberblade/XP (rev 63) |
| 17:16.03 | rvsjoen | saulo: you can have tshark write to file |
| 17:16.04 | tvmanukrishnan | thats the whole line |
| 17:16.10 | rvsjoen | with -nn ? |
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| 17:16.29 | tvmanukrishnan | yes, with -nn |
| 17:16.32 | abrotman | no, it's not |
| 17:16.35 | _L30_ | hey i get a package has no installation candidate |
| 17:16.39 | _L30_ | how do i fix it |
| 17:16.43 | tvmanukrishnan | sorry |
| 17:16.49 | abrotman | 00:06.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: ATI Technologies Inc Rage XL [1002:4752] (rev 27) |
| 17:16.52 | abrotman | that's a complete line |
| 17:17.21 | _L30_ | hey i get a package has no installation candidate are there some repositories missing? |
| 17:17.27 | tvmanukrishnan | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Trident Microsystems Cyberblade/XP[1023:9910] (rev 63) |
| 17:17.32 | abrotman | _L30_: which package |
| 17:17.37 | abrotman | judd: xorg 1023:9910 |
| 17:17.39 | judd | In lenny, device 1023:9910 is matched by xorg driver: 'trident'. |
| 17:17.42 | _L30_ | build-essential |
| 17:17.57 | abrotman | _L30_: put your sources.list in a pastebin and the output of the error (make sure you aptitude update first) |
| 17:18.28 | saulo | rvsjoen: thanks! installing :) |
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| 17:18.29 | abrotman | tvmanukrishnan: it's possible that the windows driver was playing funny games to get that full resolution, alternately, try using 'X -configure' to generate an xorg.conf and lower the bit depth to 16 or possibly even 15 |
| 17:19.08 | rvsjoen | saulo: you can use wireshark too, by all means. tshark is just the console version |
| 17:19.20 | _L30_ | abrotman: http://pastebin.org/307323 |
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| 17:19.45 | abrotman | _L30_: you're missing the main source .. what country are you in? |
| 17:19.50 | _L30_ | India |
| 17:20.07 | _L30_ | oh i didnt edit anything how could they be missing |
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| 17:20.20 | abrotman | add "deb http://ftp.iitm.ac.in/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free' to your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 17:20.20 | _L30_ | just added backport |
| 17:20.28 | wols | cause when you installed debian, you didn't have network access probably |
| 17:20.29 | tvmanukrishnan | abrotman: let me try then |
| 17:20.37 | abrotman | _L30_: then 'aptitude update && aptitude full-upgrade && aptitude install build-essential' |
| 17:22.11 | saulo | saulo: working perfectily here! thanks ^^ |
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| 17:23.13 | _L30_ | abrotman: can ihave other main source indian mirrors are slow |
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| 17:23.31 | abrotman | add "deb http://mirror.cse.iitk.ac.in/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free' to your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 17:23.37 | wols | _L30_: any you want: /msg dpkg mirrors |
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| 17:23.41 | _L30_ | somewhere from Europe |
| 17:23.48 | _L30_ | yes wols |
| 17:23.54 | abrotman | _L30_: is the server in europe? |
| 17:24.01 | abrotman | try the second line first |
| 17:24.14 | _L30_ | abrotman: Indian servers are always slow |
| 17:24.26 | _L30_ | they are under the same University IIT |
| 17:24.27 | abrotman | but you have the fastest internet in india ? |
| 17:24.46 | _L30_ | abrotman: their speed is just 10kbps |
| 17:24.48 | tvmanukrishnan | abrotman: got segmentation error 11 while trying X -configure |
| 17:24.52 | abrotman | never understood the need for having the fastest internet in the world |
| 17:24.55 | _L30_ | however my speed is 200kbps |
| 17:25.03 | abrotman | tvmanukrishnan: is X shut down? |
| 17:25.07 | jordanm | tvmanukrishnan: remove the vmware video driver |
| 17:25.18 | abrotman | _L30_: debian.org/mirrors/list .. have fun |
| 17:25.24 | _L30_ | thanks |
| 17:25.26 | tvmanukrishnan | abrotman: yes X is shut down |
| 17:25.29 | wols | abrotman: I want the tubes so wide I can pass through them myself |
| 17:25.30 | jordanm | abrotman: current bug, saw it on the -users list today |
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| 17:26.39 | benji__ | Hi, how are people supposed to do to upgrade from oldstable to stable ? |
| 17:26.48 | tvmanukrishnan | jordanm: no vmware driver found |
| 17:26.49 | wols | !tell benji__ about etch->lenny |
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| 17:27.09 | wols | benji__: it's (slightly) different for every new upgrade |
| 17:27.23 | _L30_ | got a romanian mirror now sets OK :) |
| 17:27.27 | jordanm | tvmanukrishnan: look throught the BTS, file a bug report if not already there |
| 17:27.28 | _L30_ | thanks abrotman |
| 17:27.32 | wols | the one dpkg just messaged you is from current oldstable to current stable |
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| 17:28.29 | tharkun | Is Bind chrooted by default? |
| 17:28.57 | jordanm | tvmanukrishnan: also, its part of xserver-xorg-video-all, so if you installed any kind of desktop meta package, you likely do have it |
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| 17:29.29 | tvmanukrishnan | jordanm: Its afresh installation. how could I add trident drivers then? Its also not in list |
| 17:29.47 | jordanm | tvmanukrishnan: what list? |
| 17:29.53 | benji__ | wols, is it 100% safe in theory ? |
| 17:30.13 | yareckon | night all, thanks for the help! |
| 17:30.14 | wols | benji__: in theory. it's why the debian maintainers get the big bucks :) |
| 17:30.24 | jordanm | benji__: the release notes cover most potential issues |
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| 17:30.43 | wols | benji__: all I can say is this: it's not uncommon for a debian installation to be 10 years old. |
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| 17:30.51 | tvmanukrishnan | jordanm lsmod |
| 17:31.03 | wols | tvmanukrishnan: that's kernel modules. why would it be there? |
| 17:31.15 | jordanm | tvmanukrishnan: lsmod lists currently loaded kernel modules. xorg modules are not kernel modules |
| 17:31.43 | tvmanukrishnan | jordanm: how can I list xorg modules then? |
| 17:31.47 | benji__ | wols, thank you |
| 17:31.58 | wols | tvmanukrishnan: dpkg -l xserver-xorg-video* |
| 17:32.11 | benji__ | wols, do you know where I can learn more on how package migrations are designed ? |
| 17:32.35 | jordanm | tvmanukrishnan: ls /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/ |
| 17:32.46 | wols | benji__: debian new maintainersguide. it's also the documentation how to create debs. /msg dpkg nmg |
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| 17:33.24 | jordanm | benji__: also the debian-devel list archives |
| 17:33.24 | benji__ | wols, thanks |
| 17:33.32 | benji__ | ok :) |
| 17:34.01 | tvmanukrishnan | jordanm: will all of them be loaded? it shows a trident driver. so, how can I know its the driver being used |
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| 17:34.32 | jordanm | tvmanukrishnan: look at the xorg log |
| 17:34.33 | wols | tvmanukrishnan: only one is being loaded. and you see what in your Xorg.0.log |
| 17:34.53 | wols | tvmanukrishnan: why don't you do what jordanm told you: uninstall the vmware one |
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| 17:45.34 | TheProf | Good day. I hope everyone is doing well. I have a question about creating a software RAID during debian's installation. For some reason I am unable to do so correctly and keep getting stuck during the partitioning process. Could someone help me with the correct steps please? |
| 17:45.41 | TheProf | I have a machine with 2 identical terabyte drives which I would like to have in a Raid 1 array. How do I proceed? |
| 17:45.45 | TheProf | Thank you. |
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| 17:48.37 | tvmanukrishnan | Jordanm: removed the vmware and now I got the new xorg.conf file. where should I place it and what all should I edit in it? |
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| 17:49.18 | jordanm | tvmanukrishnan: you shouldn't need it. I believe you are asking the wrong questions |
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| 17:51.44 | tvmanukrishnan | jordanm: Display is still in the middle part only. |
| 17:52.08 | jordanm | tvmanukrishnan: pastebin your Xorg.0.log |
| 17:56.31 | tvmanukrishnan | jordanm: http://pastebin.com/N9C1XW6F |
| 17:58.03 | jordanm | tvmanukrishnan: xrandr lists what? |
| 17:58.54 | tvmanukrishnan | jordanm: maximum 800 x 600 |
| 18:00.12 | d1b | morning |
| 18:00.19 | d1b | has there been any talk of a freeze soon? |
| 18:00.45 | jordanm | tvmanukrishnan: well, you are using the correct driver. I would suggest filing a bug report, make sure to point out line 188: f000:74b4: 01 ILLEGAL EXTENDED X86 OPCODE! |
| 18:00.47 | d1b | (squeeze) |
| 18:00.55 | jordanm | !wwsr |
| 18:00.55 | dpkg | Squeeze will release <WIR>, <SIYH>. No release schedule is done yet. Ask me about <squeeze bet>. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2010/05/msg00000.html |
| 18:01.36 | tvmanukrishnan | Jordanm: okay then. thanks. |
| 18:01.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | TheProf, ask a concrete question and people will try to answer |
| 18:01.44 | d1b | awesome |
| 18:02.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | getting stuck is... |
| 18:02.04 | TheProf | CutMeOwnThroat: Alright thanks for the tip. I'll do so now. |
| 18:02.07 | jordanm | !squeeze pool 1 |
| 18:02.08 | dpkg | ! <craigevil>=2010-08-30 Selveste1=2011-06-10 NiLon=2010-10-12 rvsjoen=2010-07-15 jordanm=2010-12-15 icebrain=2010-06-01 tabashco=2010-11-22 <rmayorga>=2011-1-17 jelly=2010-09-29 dpalacio=2010-08-03 cydork=2010-07-10 CutMeOwnThroat=2010-06-15 enouf=2010-04-01 themill=2010-05-30 valdyn=2010-06-15 rohan=2010-12-06 abrotman=2010-10-02 gsimmons=2010-09-03 |
| 18:02.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | kind of vague |
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| 18:02.34 | tharkun | !squeeze pool 2 |
| 18:02.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | jaja |
| 18:03.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually - my date was meant to predict when the freeze starts... |
| 18:03.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | that was obvious, wasn't it? |
| 18:03.15 | jordanm | hehe.... sure |
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| 18:04.45 | d1b | what about security support ? does squeeze have that atm? |
| 18:05.02 | jordanm | !tell d1b about testing security |
| 18:05.14 | d1b | jordanm: i am aware it is a best effort |
| 18:05.20 | d1b | but i haven't seen an announce yet |
| 18:05.27 | TheProf | Alright attempt #2 -- how do I get the installer to create for me the appropriate installation directories once I have created the software RAID? It seems to just create a big RAID partition and then says "go nuts" but I don't know enough about which partitions are needed, what size, etc. When I try to proceed further, it gives me warnings about missing swap partitions, etc. |
| 18:05.55 | d1b | weird... i thought testing got security... |
| 18:06.23 | jordanm | TheProf: we can't help you determine a partitioning scheme without knowing your needs or what the machine will be used for |
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| 18:06.59 | TheProf | jordanm: Hello. I am quite OK with the default one that the installer proposes. I just can't get it to do that once the RAID has been created. |
| 18:07.08 | TheProf | Or am I approaching the logic incorrectly? |
| 18:07.50 | TheProf | normally 1) select drive 2) installer proposes partitions, 3) accept. I wanted 1) select drive(s) 2) create RAID 3) installer proposes partitions on the RAID |
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| 18:08.40 | saulo | Eclipse is returning "unable to conecct to repository". I know this is a java fix for ipv4 settings, but I'm unable to locate the fix. Somebody can help me? |
| 18:08.45 | saulo | *connect |
| 18:09.03 | jordanm | saulo: are you running squeeze? |
| 18:09.11 | jordanm | !listkeys ipv6 |
| 18:09.13 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'ipv6' by key (8): disable ipv6 ;; blacklist ipv6 ;; _default ipv6 ;; _default ipv6-sources ;; ipv6 ;; noipv6 ;; java ipv6 ;; #debian ipv6. |
| 18:09.22 | saulo | jordanm: lenny |
| 18:09.22 | jordanm | !java ipv6 |
| 18:09.22 | dpkg | As of netbase 4.38, net.ipv6.bindv6only=1 is set, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2009/10/msg00541.html . This currently breaks networking in Java for sun-java6-jdk (openjdk-6 is fixed as of version 6b18~pre1-3), see http://bugs.debian.org/560044 for solutions. In short, sed -i 's/net.ipv6.bindv6only = 1/net.ipv6.bindv6only = 0/' /etc/sysctl.d/bindv6only.conf ; invoke-rc.d procps restart. |
| 18:09.38 | jordanm | saulo: that should not have been an issue in lenny AFAIK |
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| 18:11.28 | Unsichtbar | what is the business card missing that the netinst has? |
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| 18:12.27 | saulo | jordanm: I have some experimental packages, could be this? Anyway, the fix worked great now! Really thanks!!! :D |
| 18:12.55 | jordanm | saulo: are you _sure_ you are running lenny? |
| 18:13.05 | jordanm | Unsichtbar: the packages needed for a base install |
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| 18:13.23 | Unsichtbar | jordanm: meaning..? |
| 18:13.43 | jordanm | I don't know any other way of putting it... |
| 18:14.00 | Unsichtbar | ok well does anyone else know how to put it? because that makes no sense really |
| 18:14.07 | jordanm | businesscard cd doesn't include packages that it will install, its only the installer |
| 18:14.18 | jordanm | netinst can install base system without the network |
| 18:14.26 | saulo | jordanm: oOOps, running SID :-S sorry |
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| 18:14.28 | Unsichtbar | what is in the 'base system' though? |
| 18:14.57 | saulo | jordanm: So many different machines here :( really sorry |
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| 18:16.30 | saulo | jordanm: I'm with another problem with javahl, there are some problem into SID with this package |
| 18:16.32 | saulo | ? |
| 18:16.53 | jordanm | Unsichtbar: aptitude search ~pImportant will return packages in the base system. they are packages that all debian systems will have |
| 18:17.04 | jordanm | !btssmite saulo |
| 18:17.04 | dpkg | beats saulo around the head repeatedly with http://bugs.debian.org/ and apt-listbugs, along with a chainsaw if saulo is running testing or unstable |
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| 18:17.21 | Unsichtbar | i'm not in debian atm jordanm but ok |
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| 18:19.03 | saulo | HUAHUA ok |
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| 18:20.25 | acxty | Hi guys, I wan to login into a debian lenny. It has no graphical interface install. It says server login: I use user root but when I press enter |
| 18:20.41 | acxty | it doesn't ask for password it says server login again |
| 18:20.51 | acxty | that happen with all users |
| 18:21.14 | jordanm | sounds like PAM is broken |
| 18:21.31 | acxty | is ther a way to repair it |
| 18:21.36 | sepult | he mucked the PAM! |
| 18:21.40 | sortudo | good ivening, i just have a fresh instalation of debian under virtualbox but the screen resolution is too large but i cant change it on the easy way becouse all option is hiden, plaese what else could be done to change resolution in the hard way? |
| 18:22.15 | jordanm | acxty: boot into single user mode and look at the logs. can't do much with only the info provided |
| 18:22.23 | babilen | !tell sortudo -about xrandr |
| 18:22.42 | acxty | ok |
| 18:22.47 | Pryon | guest additions? |
| 18:22.48 | jordanm | although, he probably just needs to install the guest additions |
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| 18:22.55 | alabd | Good day all , can we say debian is one the acient gnu/linux distributions ? |
| 18:23.12 | sortudo | babilen, i am sory but did not understand you. |
| 18:23.14 | Pryon | debian was invented in 1832, so not ancient |
| 18:23.21 | babilen | alabd: As in well matured? |
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| 18:24.33 | TheProf | CutMeOwnThroat: Not specific enough? :) |
| 18:24.41 | babilen | sortudo: There is a tool called "xrandr" that lets you fiddle with things like resolution, ... but as Pryon mentioned, you presumably just need to install the guest additions. (virtualbox-guest-additions) |
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| 18:25.04 | cnu | is debian live supposed to ask for a password now? (i just created a sid image with the live-helper tools) |
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| 18:25.07 | Bushmills | it came only after slackware, which again came only after SLS |
| 18:26.08 | sortudo | okay, thanks very much frist i will try vbox aditions i does not work i came back to try xrandr ok? |
| 18:26.20 | babilen | sure :) |
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| 18:26.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | TheProf, I wasn't here :) and need to go for lunch now, before they close up at 1:30 |
| 18:26.49 | TheProf | CutMeOwnThroat: OK |
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| 18:27.12 | alabd | when will next stable release be ready aproximately ? |
| 18:27.33 | TheProf | I guess I'll ask my question another way -- once you create a RAID during installation, are you on your own in terms of guided partitioning? Everytime I try to do so it breaks the newly-made RAID |
| 18:27.45 | babilen | !tell alabd about wwsr |
| 18:27.57 | Bushmills | alabd: when it is deemed to be fit |
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| 18:28.17 | saulo | thanks ^^ |
| 18:29.50 | alabd | Bushmills: can you guess ? it's approximation ? |
| 18:30.20 | Bushmills | better ask me again, about a week after squeeze was released as stable |
| 18:30.59 | Bushmills | somewhen between end of 2010 and spring of 2015, i'd say |
| 18:31.32 | alabd | is it exact approximation ? |
| 18:32.07 | Bushmills | not that exact. more exact would be "and March 27, 2015 |
| 18:32.08 | Bushmills | " |
| 18:32.29 | babilen | alabd: nobody knows - it will release "when it's ready" - I guess it will release between October 2010 - May 2011 |
| 18:32.57 | alabd | thanks a lot God peace you |
| 18:33.00 | alabd | bye |
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| 18:33.29 | \amethyst | I'll have to remember that phrase, "God peace you" |
| 18:33.52 | babilen | hehe |
| 18:36.52 | TheProf | So... any help on how to correctly install/partition on a RAID 1? :) |
| 18:36.52 | sortudo | trying to install VBox aditions, but got it: bad interpreter / access denaid ;( |
| 18:37.03 | sortudo | i was root[] |
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| 18:37.21 | babilen | sortudo: Paste the complete output of that command to a pastebin please |
| 18:37.31 | sortudo | okay |
| 18:37.36 | sortudo | 1 minute please |
| 18:37.41 | babilen | take your time |
| 18:37.46 | sortudo | ty |
| 18:37.51 | babilen | !tell sortudo -about bat |
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| 18:46.26 | sortudo | please babilen try it if it works: http://debian.pastebin.com/eQszqzvH |
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| 18:48.42 | babilen | ,versions virtualbox-guest-additions |
| 18:48.45 | judd | virtualbox-guest-additions -- squeeze/non-free: 3.1.8-1; sid/non-free: 3.2.0-1 |
| 18:48.53 | babilen | sortudo: Do you use lenny? |
| 18:49.55 | babilen | sortudo: And you probably want to use "bash ./ ....." instead of "./..." as sh seems to be linked to dash |
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| 18:50.28 | mguy | Is gparted in the Debian install CD or DVD? I'm trying to remember if you can re-size an existing Windows partition during the install |
| 18:50.41 | babilen | mguy: You can |
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| 18:51.29 | jordanm | babilen: does partman actually have the ability to do that? |
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| 18:51.56 | sortudo | lenny, yes |
| 18:51.56 | babilen | jordanm: I am pretty sure it does (haven't checked though) |
| 18:51.58 | djura-san | o/ |
| 18:52.07 | dutchfish | jordanm: yes, if your ntfs is not to fragmented |
| 18:52.10 | Spec | Is there a support schedule for lenny published? |
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| 18:52.48 | sortudo | babilen: did my paste halped you? |
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| 18:54.22 | babilen | sortudo: yes - try "bash" instead of the hardcoded "sh" in the buggy upstream script. I don't use virtualbox, but you *might* want to try to backport the packages from squeeze (/msg dpkg ssb) but that might not be possible due to dependencies (but it's worth a try) |
| 18:55.07 | sortudo | babilen: bash does not worked, same error access denaid. |
| 18:55.44 | \amethyst | what does mount say? |
| 18:55.55 | \amethyst | perhaps it's mounted noexec? |
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| 18:56.39 | sortudo | soulh i try coppyng from virtual cd for home folder? |
| 18:56.59 | \amethyst | if so you can mount /media/crdom0 -o remount,exec or copy everything, or possibly do sh ./VBoxLinuxAdditions-x86.run if it doesn't try to execute any thing else off the CD |
| 18:57.07 | \amethyst | er, s/crdom/cdrom/ |
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| 18:57.46 | sortudo | everything else on cd is the same, access denaid |
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| 18:58.02 | sortudo | lets try to copy |
| 18:58.09 | sortudo | 1 minute pls |
| 18:58.58 | jhutchins_lt | Sounds like the CD may be mounted without user access. |
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| 18:59.40 | iuri | what is the debian package that gives me libfaac-dev |
| 18:59.46 | jhutchins_lt | Is he doing this as root? |
| 19:00.02 | iuri | i searched and there is no such a package on debian i that corect? |
| 19:00.07 | valdyn | iuri: apt-cache search yourself |
| 19:00.14 | valdyn | judd: versions libfaac-dev |
| 19:00.16 | judd | libfaac-dev -- etch-multimedia: 1.25-0.1; lenny-multimedia: 1.26-0.2; sid-multimedia: 1.28-0.3; squeeze-multimedia: 1.28-0.3 |
| 19:00.23 | valdyn | !dmm |
| 19:00.23 | dpkg | [dmm] Debian Multimedia is a repository of unofficial packages maintained by Christian Marillat, not in Debian for patent-related reasons. For information on how to access, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm lenny> <dmm squeeze>. During 2010, this repository grew a non-free part, with all binary-only packages moved there; you may need to add " non-free" to your sources lines. |
| 19:00.28 | valdyn | iuri: ^^ |
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| 19:03.43 | sortudo | ty guys, finaly has installed, i copied to home and do a chmod 777 change as root and the instalation completed, but how to execute that now? |
| 19:03.47 | rawtaz | hm channel logs |
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| 19:11.28 | acu_ | I got installed apache webserver and php but when I try to run a php file the browser asks me to save it - what should I do ? |
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| 19:12.58 | M`vy | find the mime type file config |
| 19:13.09 | M`vy | there is a directive to register php files |
| 19:13.55 | acu | M'vy so is it in apache2.conf |
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| 19:14.12 | M`vy | checking |
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| 19:16.53 | M`vy | http://dan.drydog.com/apache2php.html |
| 19:16.55 | M`vy | check here |
| 19:19.02 | acathur | acu_: a2enmod php5 |
| 19:19.09 | acathur | acu_: /msg dpkg install php |
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| 19:19.41 | M`vy | what is a2enmod? |
| 19:19.50 | M`vy | apache2 en?? module? |
| 19:19.58 | M`vy | enable? |
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| 19:20.09 | babilen | yes :) |
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| 19:23.02 | acu | acathur php5 is enabled |
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| 19:26.16 | gis | hi |
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| 19:27.47 | gis | I'm trying to install a current testing netinst on a Lenovo W510 with an Intel SSD, but grub doesn't even show up -- any ideas? |
| 19:28.21 | gis | (I only get a blinking cursor) |
| 19:28.26 | jordanm | gis: after installation? |
| 19:28.30 | gis | no, before |
| 19:28.46 | gis | I insert the CD, power on, and get only the blinking cursor |
| 19:29.02 | gis | never seen this before :( |
| 19:29.12 | jordanm | I would expect it to use syslinux instead of grub. are you sure your CD is set to boot? |
| 19:29.13 | sepult | try bugfs |
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| 19:29.38 | sepult | no bug2fs |
| 19:30.04 | gis | hmm, what's that? (google doesn't show anything?!) |
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| 19:30.46 | sortudo | \ametyst, babilen, have any adia in how to execute vbox additions after installation? |
| 19:31.24 | sepult | sortudo: what kind of additions ? |
| 19:31.40 | sortudo | resolution setup, that i need. |
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| 19:31.50 | sortudo | sreen resolution setup. |
| 19:32.15 | sepult | you have to install the guest-additions |
| 19:32.30 | sortudo | yes sepult it is alredy installed |
| 19:32.39 | sortudo | but how to run taht? |
| 19:32.43 | sepult | ok, so what is the problem then ? |
| 19:32.55 | sortudo | no icons aperas |
| 19:32.59 | sepult | oh, you just stzart it as the cd of your vbox |
| 19:33.14 | acxty | Hi guys, I wan to login into a debian lenny. It has no graphical interface install. It says server login: I use user root but when I press enter it doesn't ask for password it says server login again. I syslog it says SELinux disabled on boot. That is all I found of it |
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| 19:34.08 | jordanm | acxty: what did auth.log say? |
| 19:34.36 | _L30_ | what are the sources for initrd-tools ?? |
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| 19:35.21 | sepult | not every package has sources |
| 19:35.38 | jordanm | they should if they are in debian main\ |
| 19:35.55 | _L30_ | deb http://www.backports.org/debian/ woody module-init-tools initrd-tools procps earlier |
| 19:35.58 | _L30_ | but not now |
| 19:36.06 | jordanm | every package atleast has a source package, whether or not that includes the code to the application is another story |
| 19:36.37 | jordanm | _L30_: woody? thats not what your sources.list should looke like |
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| 19:38.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | TheProf, actually, I read all what you wrote and I still don't understand what's wrong... |
| 19:38.15 | _L30_ | jordanm: check this http://pastebin.org/307463 |
| 19:38.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | do you just not know what partitions to choose or does something actually go wrong and if so, what is it? |
| 19:38.43 | babilen | !tell _L30_ -about bat |
| 19:39.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | if something complains about missing swap, that seems to me to indicate that you successfully partitioned it... |
| 19:39.00 | babilen | _L30_: Paste the information mentioned by dpkg to a pastebin please |
| 19:39.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | bat? |
| 19:39.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | flaps his wings |
| 19:39.18 | babilen | haha |
| 19:39.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | what are all these unknown factoids you guys are using lately |
| 19:39.33 | jordanm | _L30_: sudo is a method of gaining root... you are using it when you are already root |
| 19:39.51 | _L30_ | Im used to it :P |
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| 19:40.06 | TheProf | CutMeOwnThroat: So here's my situation. Normal debian installation runs perfectly on one drive. I now have a machine with two identical drives that I would like mirrored (Raid 1) - how do I go about setting it up during the installation? |
| 19:40.09 | _L30_ | jordanm: now how do i get those dependenicies? |
| 19:40.15 | jordanm | because you were on a system with sudo only and didn't bother to read the sudo manpage to see there is sudo -i? |
| 19:40.18 | babilen | CutMeOwnThroat: "*b*asic *a*pt(itude) *t*roubleshooting" |
| 19:40.29 | jordanm | _L30_: you do what babilen asked and provide us for more information |
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| 19:40.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh dear... yeah, I read it |
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| 19:41.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | !ig |
| 19:41.27 | dpkg | The Debian Installation Guide for Lenny (5.0.4) can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/installmanual . See also <errata> and <installer firmware>. |
| 19:41.30 | _L30_ | Jordanm i dont understand it |
| 19:41.43 | jordanm | !bat |
| 19:41.43 | dpkg | In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
| 19:41.46 | babilen | _L30_: What exactly don't you understand? |
| 19:42.06 | _L30_ | then PM i got on dpkg |
| 19:42.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | TheProf, did you read the part in the istallation guide on it (see factoid above)? |
| 19:42.32 | _L30_ | babilen: http://pastebin.org/307463 |
| 19:42.39 | babilen | _L30_: You run the commands and paste the output to http://paste.debian.net. |
| 19:42.39 | acu | OK so there is www-data user and www-data group ? |
| 19:42.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | mmm, although I only see a section on raid and preseeding? |
| 19:42.51 | _L30_ | like what commands? |
| 19:43.23 | babilen | _L30_: Well - as dpkg mentioned - we also need the output of "apt-cache policy" and "apt-cache policy initrd-tools" (and all other applicable packages) |
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| 19:43.53 | jordanm | _L30_: and in this case, also aptitude install -f (as it told you in your error message) |
| 19:43.54 | TheProf | CutMeOwnThroat: yes I did go through that installation guide. |
| 19:44.19 | TheProf | CutMeOwnThroat: I also found this link: http://andreas.scherbaum.la/blog/archives/54-Install-Debian-Etch-on-a-Software-Raid-1-with-S-ATA-disks.html |
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| 19:44.24 | _L30_ | jordanm: http://pastebin.org/307468 |
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| 19:44.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | TheProf, there's also the debian wiki at http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/SataRaid which might or might not be insightful (depending on who wrote that stuff) |
| 19:45.03 | jordanm | _L30_: you lack repositories for the main repo as well as the security repo |
| 19:45.05 | acxty | jordanm, pam_unix(cron:session): session closed for user root |
| 19:45.16 | acxty | that is all it keep sying |
| 19:45.24 | jordanm | acxty: /var/log/messages? |
| 19:45.34 | TheProf | I can get it to work up until the last step no problem. but it doesn't then create the partitions (/ home, etc, and so on) as normally without the RAID. |
| 19:45.36 | _L30_ | jordanm: i commented them |
| 19:45.44 | babilen | _L30_: Why? |
| 19:45.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | TheProf, last time I made a RAID was before the installer had it (I think)... |
| 19:45.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | TheProf, it doesn't ask you to make partitions? |
| 19:46.08 | _L30_ | deb http://ftp.ro.debian.org/debian lenny main contrib free |
| 19:46.16 | _L30_ | i use this as main |
| 19:46.46 | babilen | _L30_: And that line is commented? |
| 19:47.02 | TheProf | CutMeOwnThroat: it shows me the main overview of partitions, with a RAID1 device and it's all free space (just like when you normally install on one disk) but no option to automatically partition it up for the different parts needed |
| 19:47.06 | _L30_ | babilen: even after i uncomment it issue persists |
| 19:47.16 | TheProf | If I select Guided partition at the top it breaks the RAID |
| 19:47.22 | babilen | _L30_: Uncomment it and run "aptitude update" |
| 19:47.25 | jordanm | _L30_: after uncommenting those lines you have to run aptitude update |
| 19:47.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | TheProf, well, then do it manually... |
| 19:47.38 | _L30_ | yes even after that issue persists |
| 19:47.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | you should get two/three "disks", one of them being the raid that uses several disks |
| 19:47.58 | korhojoa | TheProf: then write down how much the autosizes are and use them |
| 19:47.59 | jordanm | _L30_: pastebin the output (without accepting) of aptitude install -f |
| 19:48.21 | TheProf | CutMeOwnThroat: OK. is there a way to calculate the correct sizes for each part? |
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| 19:48.33 | TheProf | korhojoa: I think you just answered what I was thinking :) |
| 19:48.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | you can create swap on a raid (I did that), but I think it's actually pretty stupid, as it adds complexity and doesn't do anything better than two regular swap partitions |
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| 19:48.57 | jordanm | CutMeOwnThroat: what if your machine is actively swapping and the swap drive fails? |
| 19:49.12 | _L30_ | ohhh with no package specified it proceeds with some installation |
| 19:49.18 | jordanm | not a common scenerio... but still |
| 19:49.22 | korhojoa | CutMeOwnThroat: well, it does help if the drive fails, then the data that's in swap doesn't go bye-bye |
| 19:49.32 | korhojoa | CutMeOwnThroat: it's happened to me :( |
| 19:49.47 | TheProf | Question -- is there a problem at all with having the boot partition on the RAID? |
| 19:50.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | TheProf, no... depends on your disk space... the system disk usually doesn't need more than 20GB (but there's nothing speaking against 60GB or so if you've about 1TB total) |
| 19:50.09 | korhojoa | TheProf: don't put boot in the raid |
| 19:50.17 | jordanm | _L30_: the correct answer was _IN_ the error message you gave us... (assuming you had not done something stupid like uncomment your sources) |
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| 19:50.36 | _L30_ | yep thanks jordanm |
| 19:50.43 | TheProf | Hmm...two opposite answers :) |
| 19:50.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | I actually have /boot on the raid, too... now that I come to think of it, amazing that that works :) |
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| 19:51.29 | TheProf | If boot is not in the raid, how does it get updated/synced across both drives? |
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| 19:51.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | jordanm, then your machine might crash... but I wouldn't think that's so severe |
| 19:51.57 | thuttu77 | Hello |
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| 19:52.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | TheProf, why would you need it on both drives, though... (but as I said, I don't have a separate /boot and / is SW raid on my machine) |
| 19:52.26 | jordanm | CutMeOwnThroat: you would if that meant 200 users just lost "unsaved" data :) |
| 19:52.29 | thuttu77 | Is anyone get lenny + Xen 4.0 experimental working? |
| 19:52.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | jordanm, on the other hand, there's things that can go wrong with the raid that create problems |
| 19:52.58 | tbsaunde | TheProf: why do you want it to? |
| 19:53.10 | TheProf | CutMeOwnThroat: I thought in case drive A dies, you pull it out and it continues on drive B |
| 19:53.34 | TheProf | At least that was my thinking -- if they're identical in every way, then either one can carry the system through. |
| 19:53.41 | sortudo | babile, i fixed it with xrandr i apreciete, thank you. |
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| 19:53.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | in theory :) |
| 19:53.58 | sortudo | thanks guys |
| 19:54.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | TheProf, well, as I said... you _can_ have /boot on the raid |
| 19:54.25 | tbsaunde | TheProf: personally I use raid 5 but on raid 1 I gues it makes sense |
| 19:54.34 | babilen | sortudo: great :) |
| 19:54.57 | TheProf | tbsaunde: It's what they requested as the machine only has 2 drives hence the mirroring. |
| 19:55.04 | tbsaunde | TheProf: for raid 1 being on off the raid shouldn't really matter much |
| 19:55.10 | acxty | jordanm, SELinux: Disabled on boot |
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| 19:55.25 | tbsaunde | TheProf: makes sense |
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| 19:57.23 | jordanm | acxty: run "login" and see if you are presented with a password prompt |
| 19:57.31 | TheProf | so the conclusion seems to be: regular install on one disk, installer will set up the partitions by itself. Raid installation, I need to manually specific the different partitions and sizes? |
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| 19:57.48 | jordanm | acxty: pastebin your logs as well |
| 19:57.58 | acxty | ok |
| 19:58.25 | acxty | ok |
| 19:58.35 | helo | notices that pressing "down" on irssi is a lot faster than holding backspace to delete a long message |
| 19:58.52 | helo | and it is automatically saved in message history! |
| 19:59.21 | helo | i used to prepend /msg helo to a long typed out message if i needed to send it later |
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| 19:59.50 | tbsaunde | TheProf: don't know, never set up lvm or raid on debian |
| 20:00.24 | tbsaunde | TheProf: I've done it on gentoo, but there doing it manually is clearly the right way |
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| 20:01.27 | acxty | jordanm, no password prompt |
| 20:02.44 | TheProf | tbsaunde: ok I see |
| 20:03.00 | jordanm | acxty: alright, if you can, pastebin /var/log/messages /var/log/auth.log and dmesg | tail -20 |
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| 20:03.42 | tbsaunde | TheProf: sorry I can't help more, you could do a debootstrap install, but I think the installer can do this |
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| 20:04.10 | kblessinggr | looking for a .deb package for MySQL 5.1 |
| 20:04.22 | TheProf | tbsaunde: not a problem - thanks! |
| 20:04.41 | helo | i'm pretty sure you need to do manual partition configuration to setup a raid install |
| 20:04.58 | helo | maybe not _need_ to, but it is certainly possible that way |
| 20:05.02 | TheProf | helo: It seems so. I just was uncomfortable as I didn't know the correct partition names, sizes, etc |
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| 20:06.42 | helo | i don't recall... if you select "automatic", does it show you exactly what it is about to do before doing it? maybe you can jot down the basic layout and sizes, and then go back, select manual, and reuse the basic 'automatic' template |
| 20:06.58 | TheProf | helo -- that's exactly what I will end up doing. |
| 20:07.16 | TheProf | wonder if that's something that can be considered for the future -- having it automatically define stuff in RAIDs |
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| 20:07.49 | stonie | hi all .. what means [ 7274.146795] monitor[3645]: segfault at 149 ip b785bf96 sp bfa12180 error 4 in libncurses.so.5.7[b783b000+37000] |
| 20:08.40 | valdyn | stonie: it means that the process "monitor" that had the pid 3645 crashed |
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| 20:09.04 | stonie | valdyn, ye i see that.. and the rest? |
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| 20:09.41 | stonie | it happens when i use screen -d -m and switch to it with -r |
| 20:09.59 | valdyn | stonie: the rest tells you where it crashed |
| 20:11.03 | stonie | its a problem with libncurses? or the app monitor |
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| 20:11.03 | valdyn | stonie: that is not visible |
| 20:11.25 | helo | TheProf: that is a great suggestion, IMO |
| 20:11.31 | stonie | any idea how to solve that? screen runs fine in the background (-d -m) with top or others |
| 20:11.42 | valdyn | stonie: fix the code |
| 20:12.01 | valdyn | stonie: its not screen that crashed, its monitor |
| 20:12.34 | valdyn | stonie: one not to uncommon error is that programs dont handle resizeing of the terminal properly |
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| 20:12.40 | TheProf | OK I just tried what we were talking about and it doesn't work. :( |
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| 20:13.07 | TheProf | what happens is, when you finish creating the RAID partition, that partition is now fixed and you can't further create anything within it. |
| 20:13.16 | stonie | valdyn, ok thanks.. can i define the size in screen? |
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| 20:13.26 | TheProf | So you can't go into it and create swap, /etc and so on. |
| 20:13.34 | valdyn | stonie: the terminal size depends on your terminal, not on screen |
| 20:14.05 | valdyn | stonie: screen resizes its terminals according to the size of your xterm or whatever terminal you use |
| 20:14.39 | stonie | its only console right now |
| 20:14.51 | stonie | that gave me a hint thanks .. ill try abit |
| 20:15.29 | acxty | jordanm, auth.log http://dpaste.com/203296/ |
| 20:15.31 | helo | TheProf: you'll have to create the partitions separately, setting them to be used as a member of raid |
| 20:15.47 | tbsaunde | TheProf: what exactly do you mean "raid partition" |
| 20:15.58 | valdyn | hes trying to create partitions on md raids |
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| 20:16.07 | valdyn | afaik the debian installer does not support that |
| 20:16.11 | helo | TheProf: and then combine them to form raid devices, and then use those raid devices for '/', swap, or others |
| 20:16.31 | valdyn | TheProf: why dont your create multiple raids on multiple partitions? |
| 20:16.46 | helo | wonders how the partition naming scheme would work with TheProf's original intention... /dev/md01? |
| 20:16.58 | valdyn | md0p0 md0p1 etc |
| 20:17.30 | valdyn | that destroys grub's ability to boot off those raids though |
| 20:17.45 | jordanm | acxty: webmin? |
| 20:18.29 | jordanm | acxty: what version of debian did you say you were running? testing? |
| 20:18.51 | TheProf | good questions -- in the past I've been easily able to create a software raid on a machine with 3 disks -- one for the OS and 2 mirrored in raid 1. Simple. This is a bit more complex in that I only have two disks and would like it so if one died, everything, including booting, etc works fine |
| 20:19.36 | valdyn | TheProf: easy, create raids as i said, and install grub on both disks |
| 20:19.50 | SerajewelKS | hmm, that's odd... i just got a message on my postfix server that was rejected for not passing the spf record |
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| 20:20.10 | SerajewelKS | but the spf record specifies an a: for a domain that resolves to exactly the IP that connected to my server :/ |
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| 20:20.18 | acxty | no stable |
| 20:20.25 | TheProf | valdyn: OK so I am creating the different partitions on one drive, and then I specify that they should be part of a RAID array? |
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| 20:20.43 | valdyn | TheProf: i dont know the installer |
| 20:21.01 | SerajewelKS | oh, just kidding. |
| 20:21.02 | jordanm | SerajewelKS: what is the domain? |
| 20:21.13 | valdyn | TheProf: techincally you create the same partition layout on both disks and create a raid of sda1 and sdb1 and the 2nd raid between sda2 and sdb2 etc |
| 20:21.22 | SerajewelKS | jordanm: i went to the openspf "why" page and saw the suggested record and read it as the actual record. oops. |
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| 20:21.35 | SerajewelKS | puts on the dunce cap and takes his seat in the corner |
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| 20:21.54 | TheProf | valdyn: I see. I think helo was suggesting the same thing. |
| 20:22.04 | valdyn | TheProf: yes |
| 20:22.17 | jordanm | SerajewelKS: ha! I just went to the openspf page to the "wizard" I used to give you a link but it crashed my iw |
| 20:22.23 | jordanm | isn't typically a iw/ff user |
| 20:22.57 | TheProf | Alright I'm trying that now. |
| 20:24.08 | jordanm | SerajewelKS: http://old.openspf.org/wizard.html if you didn't already find it |
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| 20:26.07 | helo | and i think grub2 supports booting from raid more readily than the old grub |
| 20:27.22 | TheProf | This is a seriously repetitive process especially if you use the /var, swap, home, usr, and / on different partitions! |
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| 20:28.05 | helo | it's also increasingly difficult to gauge the appropriate relative sizes of each of those at install time :( |
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| 20:28.18 | arti4-92 | http://tinyurl.com/linuxamiga |
| 20:28.28 | TheProf | yes I had to go through it as if there is no raid and write it all down and then go back and start again with raid |
| 20:28.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, you can always do a regular install on one disk and then create the raid from the installed system |
| 20:29.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | of course that means you have to copy everything |
| 20:29.20 | TheProf | CutMeOwnThroat: How do you mean -- after the installation is complete? |
| 20:29.34 | helo | that's going to be even more involved overall though |
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| 20:30.46 | tbsaunde | helo: lvm! |
| 20:31.06 | valdyn | grub2 can actually boot raids |
| 20:31.16 | valdyn | grub cannot, it only sees raid1 members individually |
| 20:31.17 | gutterslob | is back (gone 02:50:09) |
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| 20:32.51 | TheProf | How is everyone using RAID on all their servers if this is so complicated? |
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| 20:33.01 | valdyn | TheProf: is isnt complicated |
| 20:33.08 | tbsaunde | TheProf: actualy, lvm would be the other solution, create one big raid and /boot , and put everything in logical volumes |
| 20:33.19 | TheProf | Or I'm just not following :( |
| 20:34.14 | _L30_ | jordanm: can you plz check this http://pastebin.org/307498 |
| 20:34.15 | tbsaunde | TheProf: I think most people use lvm with raid, then they just crete one raid and use that to make a pv, |
| 20:34.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | TheProf, well, like this: http://xtronics.com/reference/SATA-RAID-debian-for-2.6.html |
| 20:34.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | (that was what I roughly followed some years ago) |
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| 20:34.58 | TheProf | tbsaunde: I've had a problem with LVM before when the machine crashes and then the LVM is lost and can't boot. Granted that was several years ago and on Fedora so things might have changed but it made me weary of LVM |
| 20:35.18 | _L30_ | CutMeOwnThroat: http://pastebin.org/307498 check this |
| 20:35.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | why me!? |
| 20:35.48 | _L30_ | error installing |
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| 20:36.37 | tbsaunde | TheProf: ok, for me its convienent, and in the worst case, I'll suck it up and apply the live cd |
| 20:36.56 | tbsaunde | TheProf: not exactly cd but close enough |
| 20:37.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | _L30_, what version of debian is that? |
| 20:37.27 | _L30_ | latest |
| 20:37.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | latest what |
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| 20:38.05 | _L30_ | 5.0 |
| 20:38.17 | spersaud | Hey I want to buy a video card that works with the radeon driver in lenny, |
| 20:38.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | lenny... |
| 20:38.30 | TheProf | tbsaunde: I'm sure it's a matter of me not knowing enough. But at least it's good to hear that it works for many others now. |
| 20:38.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | there are no initrd-tools in lenny |
| 20:38.48 | spersaud | my $99 4850 doesnt, ... anyone know if this will work ? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125251 |
| 20:38.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | to be more precise there is no package of that name |
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| 20:38.57 | _L30_ | ohh |
| 20:39.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions initrd-tools |
| 20:39.03 | judd | initrd-tools -- etch: 0.1.84.2 |
| 20:39.14 | spersaud | maybe I will use current card with Squeeze when it comes out |
| 20:39.30 | spersaud | cd radeonhd |
| 20:39.33 | _L30_ | CutMeOwnThroat: how to create a initrd.img for my custom kernel then? |
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| 20:40.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | !initramfs |
| 20:40.13 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, initramfs is the new <initrd>. See http://www.ducea.com/2006/10/10/debian-etch-kernels/ for Sarge and Etch kernel differences (forward looking as we know it prior to etch's release), or ask me about <initramfs debug>. See also <targeted>. http://wiki.debian.org/initramfs |
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| 20:40.20 | craigevil | spersaud: take a look at http://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo |
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| 20:42.25 | aalex_ | To upgrade from lenny to sid, should I do an aptitude upgrade or dist-upgrade first?: |
| 20:43.02 | sepult | safe-upgrade |
| 20:43.18 | sepult | put your condoms on |
| 20:43.20 | sepult | lol |
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| 20:43.56 | jordanm | !tell aalex_ about udev squeeze |
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| 20:44.27 | TheProf | More of a "what's correct" question: In the filesystem hierarchy, where are you suppose to store a partition that exists only for backups. does it matter if I make /backups ? |
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| 20:47.04 | jordanm | TheProf: thats not FHS complaint, but your the admin can do whatever you choose |
| 20:47.11 | jordanm | you're |
| 20:47.34 | TheProf | jordanm: Is there some info on what's FHS compliant? |
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| 20:48.19 | jordanm | !fhs |
| 20:48.19 | dpkg | Debian follows the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard. The filesystem is categorized by purpose, not application. This allows, for example, the easy and efficient deployment of a read-only /usr area across a number of thin clients. See http://www.pathname.com/fhs/ or install the 'debian-policy' package (/usr/share/doc/debian-policy/fhs/*), or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard |
| 20:48.32 | jordanm | TheProf: the official FHS document :) |
| 20:48.53 | jordanm | TheProf: really FHS complaince only matters if you are distributing to others |
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| 20:49.48 | TheProf | jordanm: fair enough. Thanks for the link |
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| 20:53.12 | TheProf | Just finished creating the *7* raids! sheesh. |
| 20:53.19 | TheProf | it's formatting now. |
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| 20:53.43 | gutterslob | is away: Poof!! |
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| 20:59.12 | jhutchins_lt | Why does kismet require gksu on a pure-kde system? |
| 20:59.41 | Vroomfondle | because it isn't a KDE application |
| 20:59.48 | Vroomfondle | it just happens to start with a "k" |
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| 21:01.42 | tbsaunde | hey, anybody have a gues why when I install b43-fwcutter I don't get the would you like to download firmware thing, I'll go get it myself but arg |
| 21:02.48 | jhutchins_lt | Vroomfondle: It isn't a gnome application either. |
| 21:03.23 | Vroomfondle | jhutchins_lt: that is a salient point |
| 21:03.58 | jhutchins_lt | There should be a generic tag that can be satisfied by gksu, kdesu, or the new kde sudo. |
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| 21:16.32 | nick[0] | Hi! So, what are #debian's recommendations for making a hard drive image, including MBR? Here's the catch: the netbook drive is 160Gb, with less than 10GB of actual data, but I only have 80GB of free disk on my desktop. Is there anything more sophisticated than "cat /dev/sda |
| 21:16.48 | nick[0] | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:17.12 | nick[0] | (that will also backup the mbr...although, I guess I could always dd the MBR seperately) |
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| 21:18.30 | tbsaunde | nick[0]: why not just rsync the data? |
| 21:18.51 | karsten | nick[0]: Why do you want an image? |
| 21:19.35 | nick[0] | it's a new netbook, and of course I'd like to install my favourite OS (Debian), and I don't need any Windows 7...but it seems wise to have a backup of the factory state |
| 21:19.44 | karsten | nick[0]: It's easy enough to recreate the MBR for either DOS (fdisk /mbr) or Linux (grub-install). What matters is your data. rsync's a lot faster than dd for most cases. |
| 21:20.10 | karsten | nick[0]: In which case, yeah, dd, compress the output. Get yourself an external drive. |
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| 21:20.39 | karsten | nick[0]: ... and save onto that. Likely that 10GB compresses pretty well, but you'll still likely end up with 4-8 GB you need to store. |
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| 21:21.12 | karsten | nick[0]: Me personally, I'd blow away Windows (and in fact, just did on my work desktop). |
| 21:22.00 | larsie | I think windoze is OK as client for many things. |
| 21:22.07 | tbsaunde | ,14e4:4311 |
| 21:22.30 | nick[0] | karsten: do I need to worry about how dd handles sparse data? (I doubt I'll ever use the disk, but say, in a year, I have a friend who really needs a netbook, but doesn't have the cash, and absolutely needs Windows...that's the situation I like to have a backup for. Helping a friend out by giving them a deal) |
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| 21:23.16 | karsten | nick[0]: What's the issue with sparse data? |
| 21:23.32 | karsten | nick[0]: If you're compressing the image, it doesn't matter. Sparse data compresses *very* well. |
| 21:23.34 | tbsaunde | nick[0]: will dd ing the image onto a drive and trying to boot actually boot windows? I'm not sure windows likes that sort of thing |
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| 21:23.57 | karsten | nick[0]: You _might_ want to zero-out the slack space on the drive to ensure it is in fact empty. |
| 21:24.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | is there a way to identify wine processes? |
| 21:24.25 | karsten | tbsaunde: So long as you don't change out the bootloader, yeah, it works fine. I've created VMs that way. |
| 21:24.36 | karsten | CutMeOwnThroat: clarify. |
| 21:25.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | I just wanted to kill my (hung) program running in wine and 'killall wine' didn't do it - and that's because ps lists it as [programname.exe] |
| 21:25.22 | nick[0] | tbsaunde: bingo. karsten: I've read that dd will write 0000s where nothing should be written...but that will just waste time, and won't cause problems, right? |
| 21:25.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | which should be the reason |
| 21:25.51 | karsten | nick[0]: If you've got a disk with a bunch of random garbage on it, it won't compress as well. My understanding is that this shouldn't be the case on a new drive, but you might want to test to be sure. Otherwise: dd if='/dev/zero' of=/file-on-windows-partition' bs=100M (writes faster) and fill the partition will zeros. |
| 21:25.51 | nick[0] | karsten: ahhh. "So long as you don't change out the bootloader" That makes sense. |
| 21:26.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | now I wonder... it can't be true that there's no easy way to clearly identify all windows-programs running under wine, can there? |
| 21:26.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | I mean... just think of windows viruses and the consequence when you can't kill everything running under wine |
| 21:26.51 | karsten | nick[0]: Yeah, so long as the virtual MBR points to the same device as the phyiscal one did, you should be fine. If not, you'll have to boot the virtual image with some rescue disk and restore a working MBR (same as with a phyiscal disk). |
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| 21:27.01 | lindi- | CutMeOwnThroat: how would killing viruses help? |
| 21:27.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | lindi-, wouldn't you want to do that before you wipe the disk in .wine? |
| 21:27.39 | karsten | CutMeOwnThroat: Hrm. Not sure. I think there's a process signature for WINE stuff, not sure where in /proc/ that might hide. With some of the WINE extensions, you can run Win32API stuff directly from the kernel w/o invoking WINE explicitly. |
| 21:28.00 | karsten | CutMeOwnThroat: You can't kill a virus. It's already dead. Wait, no, those are zombies. |
| 21:28.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | I don't understand why 'wine' doesn't turn up anymore... |
| 21:28.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | imo that's actually obfuscating matters |
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| 21:29.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | karsten, I think you need a dead body, a special root and some piece of a rare fish... or was it a rare pice of a fish(?) to make a zombie |
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| 21:30.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | lindi-, apart from that, I _want_ to be able to kill all wine processes - and if it's just to get rid of windows programs that hung a long time ago (and you never noticed) |
| 21:31.06 | karsten | CutMeOwnThroat: Well, if it's a windows executable, the binary should end in 'exe', 'com', or similar. |
| 21:31.15 | karsten | CutMeOwnThroat: That's required under Windows. |
| 21:31.28 | sechrist | Hey guys -- I have a new dedicated server that's running raid. How do I figure out what kind of raid card I have? I don't see anything obvious in lspci |
| 21:31.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | well... |
| 21:31.53 | nick[0] | karsten: sweet. Thank you very much for clearing this up for me. Now to get the backup started... Then to find out whether squeeze's linux-2.6.32 is has the samsung netbook keyboard-controlled backlight patch (it might be new enough, it might be patched in...I haven't checked yet, but iirc a custom linux-2.6.33 will work for sure, if necessary). |
| 21:32.16 | sechrist | I need to know the brand I guess if I want to use the status tools for each one -- being that they're all different. |
| 21:32.25 | karsten | CutMeOwnThroat: And if you look at /proc/<pid>/exe, the first few bytes will read something other than 177/E/L/F |
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| 21:32.46 | ff88 | hi is there any tool that converts an ldd output to a list of library packages needed to run an executable? |
| 21:33.01 | karsten | ff88: apt-file, probably. |
| 21:33.02 | nick[0] | sechrist: Does dmesg give you any clues? |
| 21:33.14 | ponyofdeath | hi, what tool do you guys recommend for incremental backups to an remote host? |
| 21:33.29 | karsten | ponyofdeath: rsync |
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| 21:33.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | rsnapshot? |
| 21:34.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | how about "apt-cache search incremental backup" |
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| 21:34.02 | nick[0] | ponyofdeath: I like a combination of rsync and "cp -l" on the server |
| 21:34.06 | sechrist | nick[0]: there's "raid rebuilding in the background" and some other stuff but nothing as to a brand |
| 21:34.15 | ponyofdeath | CutMeOwnThroat: do any of those do compression |
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| 21:35.10 | karsten | ponyofdeath: rsync does by itself. Cool feature of Unix is pipes. You can always compress the stream. |
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| 21:35.57 | karsten | CutMeOwnThroat: dd if=/proc/self/exe bs=16 count=1 | od -c |
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| 21:36.12 | karsten | CutMeOwnThroat: ... for a WINE executable, you're not going to see ELF. |
| 21:36.30 | karsten | CutMeOwnThroat: Not sure where else the interpreter info is maintained. |
| 21:36.41 | Bushmills | ponyofdeath: remote host under your exclusive control, or others able to access it too? |
| 21:36.43 | fresch | how well are i3, i5, i7 cpus supported currently, especially the graphics core feature? |
| 21:37.03 | TheProf | ponyofdeath: rsnapshot works awesome. |
| 21:37.03 | ponyofdeath | Bushmills: my control |
| 21:37.41 | ponyofdeath | TheProf: does rsnapshot support exclude and such |
| 21:37.54 | ponyofdeath | i guess whatever rsync supports prob |
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| 21:37.58 | Bushmills | ponyofdeath: incremental as in "not transferring whole batch again" or as in "being able to reconstruct backup to any day/week/month back"? |
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| 21:38.15 | ponyofdeath | Bushmills: as in not transfering whole batch again |
| 21:38.22 | TheProf | ponyofdeath: yes it does exclude and ssh |
| 21:38.29 | Renich | hello, debian users! does debian come with lsb_release out of the box? |
| 21:38.29 | Bushmills | what karsten said |
| 21:38.40 | Bushmills | but - that's not really a "backup" |
| 21:38.50 | nick[0] | sechrist: hmm. Well, if you "dmesg | grep PCI | less" and then read through that, then you might be able to find which driver is attaching to which PCI device, which should provide the beginnings of a lead" Other than that, here's another way: |
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| 21:39.46 | sechrist | for some sneaking suspicion I think it's the one built into the chipset |
| 21:39.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | karsten, actually, it is, it points to wine-preloader :) |
| 21:39.47 | sechrist | NFORCE |
| 21:39.56 | Bushmills | ponyofdeath: image you corrupt a file today. tonight you do backup run. tomorrow you notice that the file is broken ... |
| 21:39.58 | nick[0] | sechrist: as root, run update-pciids. Then "lspci -v -v -v | less" and read through that. Something should show up... |
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| 21:40.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | (but yes, that's a way to find them all, to bind them, in darkness... errr. wrong script) |
| 21:40.17 | Bushmills | where would you get the good version of that file from then? |
| 21:40.24 | ponyofdeath | Bushmills: yeah so what tool do u recommend i was looking at sarab which uses dar |
| 21:40.37 | ponyofdeath | seems its not in debian repo's tho |
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| 21:40.52 | Bushmills | check out duplicity. combines advantage of rsync with "incremental backup" in the other sense |
| 21:41.04 | nick[0] | sechrist: after you update-pciids, post the output from lspci and dmesg to a pastebox, and I'll take a look at it. I'll be back in 5min |
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| 21:42.01 | sechrist | nick[0]: https://gist.github.com/8f27cde884866ba4b839 thanks I appreciate it |
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| 21:42.19 | Renich | does anybody know if debian comes with /usr/bin/lsb_release out of the box? |
| 21:42.28 | TheProf | Bushmills: if I backed up that file yesterday, and then today it was corrupted, then it would somehow be different from yesterday's and so a "backup" of the corrupted would be made. When I realized that the file I have is corrupted, I'd go backwards in time through the backups until I get the uncorrupted one, no? |
| 21:42.37 | TheProf | Assuming I had backups on a daily basis :) |
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| 21:42.58 | Bushmills | TheProf: how many backups would you have, running rsync? |
| 21:43.29 | TheProf | Bushmills: I'd be running one set on a daily basis. |
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| 21:43.55 | tharkun | anyone familiar with kerberos or Cas, if so where can i read some indepth info? |
| 21:44.21 | Bushmills | TheProf: you'd create a full backup every day? |
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| 21:45.10 | TheProf | Bushmills: It should only be backing up the differences even if it's a full backup. I seem to recall that was one of the benefits of rsnapshot -- that at any point in time, that specific backup was a "full" backup due to hardlinks. |
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| 21:45.37 | Bushmills | yes, it "should". that's not how "basic" rsync operates |
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| 21:45.57 | TheProf | Bushmills: Yes I think there was some differences that it had that allowed it to work that way. |
| 21:46.17 | Renich | sorry to bother you but... does anybody know if debian comes with /usr/bin/lsb_release out of the box? (a command that tells you info about your system) |
| 21:46.19 | Bushmills | TheProf: that's why i suggested to look at duplicity |
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| 21:47.01 | Renich | sits on a bench to wait |
| 21:47.13 | TheProf | Bushmills: I remember reading about it --- I think it had some good stuff but for the specific application I was using there was some sort of issue so I went with rsnapshot |
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| 21:48.11 | Renich | whistles for a while |
| 21:48.22 | Bushmills | it has features which are probably not needed for this application, like gpg encryption of the backup, or transferring through ftp. |
| 21:48.35 | Bushmills | that makes it rather suited for "public" backup servers. |
| 21:49.04 | Renich | keeps on whistling random tunes... wondering if debian comes with the lsb_release command... and the wind blows silently... |
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| 21:49.33 | tharkun | Renich: google will give you that answer if you know how to ask it |
| 21:49.49 | karsten | CutMeOwnThroat: I've got a ring, interested? |
| 21:50.00 | Renich | tharkun: yeah, I thought it would be easier and faster in the #debian... but not... apparently |
| 21:50.15 | karsten | Renich: it does. |
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| 21:50.31 | sechrist | nick[0]: any idea? |
| 21:50.38 | e271 | I'm thinking of getting Debian to revive a G3 MacBook Pro |
| 21:50.44 | karsten | !tell Renich about search |
| 21:50.49 | karsten | !tell Renich about pdo |
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| 21:51.10 | karsten | e271: I'd be thinking about getting Debian to bury it, but whatever |
| 21:51.27 | karsten | CutMeOwnThroat: What's the string you get for WINE executables, BTW? |
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| 21:51.38 | Renich | karsten: man, I'm a Fedora user... I'm just making an install script for a PHP app we're developing and I thought it would be nice to include debian support... that's all |
| 21:52.12 | Renich | just want's to know how to ask debian if he is debian in a bash script |
| 21:52.24 | e271 | Renich: look for /etc/debian-release or somesuch? |
| 21:52.41 | Hydroxide | /etc/debian_version |
| 21:52.42 | Renich | e271: that sounds ok... no lsb then, huh? ok |
| 21:52.46 | Renich | thanks for the info |
| 21:52.46 | Hydroxide | Renich: there is |
| 21:52.50 | Hydroxide | Renich: lsb_release -a |
| 21:52.55 | Hydroxide | Renich: or whichever options you want |
| 21:52.56 | Renich | Hydroxide: out of the box? |
| 21:53.12 | nick[0] | sechrist: you have one sata/ata chipset the MCP78S, GeForce 8200, using the drivres amd_ide, amd7xx, and ahci. Yup, it's nForce fake raid |
| 21:53.14 | Hydroxide | Renich: depends on what installation tasks are installed by default. many things pull it in but not the minimal install |
| 21:53.18 | Hydroxide | Renich: it's the lsb-release package |
| 21:53.19 | Renich | Hydroxide: thanks a lot!... that was easy, wasn't it? ;) |
| 21:53.33 | Hydroxide | Renich: np |
| 21:53.43 | sechrist | nick[0]: know the commands off hand to see how it's configured and the status of the drives? |
| 21:53.43 | Renich | Hydroxide: ok, I'll make a note about it in the script |
| 21:53.44 | e271 | hrm I learn something new everyday, never heard of lsb_release before |
| 21:53.46 | Renich | thanks a lot! |
| 21:54.01 | Hydroxide | np |
| 21:54.05 | Renich | bye |
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| 21:54.27 | e271 | On this PC it's $(cat /etc/slackware-version) |
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| 21:56.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | karsten, you mean what? |
| 21:56.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | what's a wine executable? |
| 21:57.31 | nick[0] | sechrist: dmraid is the package which contains fake-raid control software. P.S. dmraid (fake raid, on the chipset) is slower than mdraid (linux software implementation of raid). Both suck CPU cycles, but dmraid sucks less, and resyncs failed drives faster. (would anyone care to elaborate why? All I know is what I've read, heard, and researched) |
| 21:58.04 | nick[0] | sechrist: err, I mean to write "mdraid sucks less than dmraid" |
| 21:58.06 | sechrist | I paid $50 for "hardware raid set up fee" |
| 21:58.06 | sechrist | lame |
| 21:58.19 | sechrist | software raid was free |
| 21:58.21 | sechrist | should have gone software |
| 21:58.29 | nick[0] | sechrist: *real* hardware raid costs $350+ |
| 21:58.41 | sechrist | I should have thought about that |
| 21:58.50 | sechrist | I've built true raid systems with high end adaptec cards --not cheap |
| 21:59.16 | helo | anyone know the mechanism by which debian lenny's 'git status' uses a pager by default? |
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| 22:02.09 | nick[0] | sechrist: no, not cheap at all. Mind you, those cards mostly have ARM xScale CPUs (I think), and so I wonder if we'll eventually be able to dedicate one core of a multicore CPU to RAID operations...that plus a UPS, redudant PSU, and battery backed RAM, plus software raid...well, from what I hear it's actually faster and more reliable than adaptec |
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| 22:04.39 | sechrist | nick[0]: with 50 core intels coming out |
| 22:04.42 | sechrist | I'd hope so |
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| 22:07.13 | biertie | is it possible to remove a list of packages with dpkg using wildcards? |
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| 22:07.27 | nick[0] | sechrist: hmm, with so many cores, I bet someone will do some "how many spindles to a core for optimal performance" research... Again, assuming dedicated cores. I suspect the Linux kernel can already do this...but I don't know how to do it! |
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| 22:08.01 | sechrist | terminator seems to be pretty cool |
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| 22:08.40 | sechrist | so is iterm |
| 22:08.42 | sechrist | so yeah whatever |
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| 22:09.17 | sechrist | SERVER3:~# dmraid -s |
| 22:09.17 | sechrist | no raid disks |
| 22:09.17 | sechrist | what |
| 22:09.23 | sechrist | did they lie to me? |
| 22:09.47 | nick[0] | biertie: yup. you'd want to run a command that lists all installed packages, then pipe it into grep $WILDCARD. Once you figure out that list, "aptitude remove `list packages | grep $WILDCARD`" (mind the backquotes, they're under the tilde ~ key) |
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| 22:10.05 | themill | biertie: no. You'd probably want to have some dependency resolution done anyway, so use aptitude for that. |
| 22:10.34 | biertie | hmm, aptitude isn't installed on my n900 |
| 22:10.37 | biertie | anyway, thanks :) |
| 22:10.50 | themill | so install it |
| 22:11.23 | enzo | themill: use apt-get |
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| 22:12.35 | themill | nick[0]: that's way over the top.... aptitude remove "~nregexp" is sufficient for that. |
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| 22:17.33 | rtronk | can anyone recommend a tut or howto on configuring a web/mail server for debian lenny? |
| 22:20.01 | nick[0] | themill: wow, I didn't know aptitude could do that. (I'm constantly surprised by all the new conveniences...well, new for me...) |
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| 22:20.51 | themill | nick[0]: aptitude has a very powerful search syntax that you can combine with any of its install/remove etc operations. "/msg dpkg aptitude search" for more details. |
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| 22:23.10 | tharkun | rtronk: workaround.org |
| 22:23.28 | cafaro | How can you get flash to work in debian squeeze? I tried installing flashplugin-nonfree, but flash doesn't load properly in my browser.. |
| 22:24.21 | n1ck | any chanop around and could pm me pls? |
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| 22:24.37 | nick[0] | themill: done. I'm definitely going to memorise this. |
| 22:24.55 | themill | nick[0]: :) |
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| 22:29.12 | selbeimanti | hi, since rebooting (newest testing) i can't use the keyboard at the gdm/kdm login screen; the linux console works fine though. where could i look for the reason? |
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| 22:30.38 | selbeimanti | i don't have anything in xorg.conf that imo could be a problem. |
| 22:32.02 | TheProf | Thanks everyone for all your help -- seems like the RAID setup is finally working@ |
| 22:32.04 | TheProf | ! |
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| 22:44.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | \o/ |
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| 22:45.37 | cast | now that you have RAID you can skip doing those annoying backups! |
| 22:45.39 | cast | hides |
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| 22:47.26 | themill | gutterslob: please turn off public away/back notifications. |
| 22:47.49 | mns | how do I suspend my debian/testing based laptop ? Its a ThinkPad T500. |
| 22:47.56 | Bushmills | and install ntp! |
| 22:48.17 | lindi- | mns: gnome? |
| 22:48.36 | mns | lindi-: no GNOME/KDE/XFCE/LXDE |
| 22:48.49 | mns | just plain vanilla X11 and a window manager. |
| 22:49.07 | lindi- | mns: i assume that means you are comfortable with shell :) try "sudo pm-suspend" |
| 22:49.25 | mns | very much so lindi- :) |
| 22:49.29 | mns | let me try that |
| 22:49.42 | lindi- | mns: i'd try it first outside X |
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| 22:50.03 | lindi- | and test if audio, wlan, network etc. still work after resume |
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| 22:50.52 | mns | lindi-: ok. I'll try it out and see what happens. If it works just fine, then I'll setup keybindings for it all :) |
| 22:51.07 | karsten | mns: pm-hibernate or pm-suspend are the commands |
| 22:51.26 | karsten | mns: I've got 'em working fine on an Ubuntu install, Thinkpad T61 |
| 22:52.05 | karsten | mns: pm-utils package. |
| 22:52.18 | mns | karsten: great, thanks. |
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| 23:04.54 | sechrist | how do I make apt automatically use the testing versions of software? |
| 23:05.01 | sechrist | without explicitly defining the version |
| 23:05.11 | sechrist | like php 5.3.2 instead of 5.2.6 |
| 23:05.27 | cast | set sources to only have testing? |
| 23:05.38 | sechrist | ehhh |
| 23:05.41 | sechrist | that sounds bad |
| 23:05.58 | themill | sechrist: mixing stable and testing like that is a bad plan |
| 23:06.03 | sechrist | oh okay |
| 23:06.26 | sechrist | https://gist.github.com/7763cb89f682c7c1be9f |
| 23:06.30 | sechrist | that's my sources.list |
| 23:06.36 | sechrist | I should take out updates and main? O.o |
| 23:06.40 | sechrist | erm lenny |
| 23:07.05 | themill | sechrist: I wouldn't be using squeeze on a server though. /msg dpkg moving target. |
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| 23:07.29 | sechrist | well I guess I should just always explicitly define versions |
| 23:07.41 | sechrist | I could build php from source but that just makes a pita when there's already 5.3 in the repo |
| 23:08.01 | sechrist | same with lighttpd etc |
| 23:08.41 | themill | 5.3 isn't a pita in its own right already? |
| 23:08.53 | sechrist | 5.3 is amazing |
| 23:08.59 | sechrist | closures and a reference sweep GC |
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| 23:09.44 | sechrist | doStuff($with,function($res){echo($res);}); ftw |
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| 23:16.33 | sechrist | bleh php wants to install apache |
| 23:16.34 | sechrist | that's dumb |
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| 23:17.55 | karsten | sechrist: pinning |
| 23:18.11 | sechrist | pinning? |
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| 23:18.22 | karsten | sechrist: What's your base release? Testing, stable, unstable, ??? |
| 23:18.27 | karsten | !tell sechrist about pinning |
| 23:18.49 | karsten | sechrist: If you want a specific version of a package, pin it. If you want a testing/unstable package in stable, use backports. |
| 23:18.56 | sechrist | oh i've been using apt-get install package=ver |
| 23:19.08 | karsten | sechrist: That works too. |
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| 23:19.30 | sechrist | my problem now is getting php to install without apache |
| 23:19.50 | themill | sechrist: PHP doesn't depend on apache. |
| 23:19.57 | sechrist | I'm aware of that |
| 23:20.05 | sechrist | apt-get install php5 automagically installs apache |
| 23:20.07 | karsten | sechrist: You can also change your entire system by editing /etc/apt/sources.list, or modifying /etc/apt/preferences |
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| 23:20.37 | themill | sechrist: you are implicitly asking for the apache2 module for php to be installed by doing that, /msg dpkg install php5 |
| 23:21.01 | sechrist | apt-get install php5-cgi=5.3.2-1 worked |
| 23:21.18 | karsten | sechrist: that's structured through dependencies. you need libapach2-mod-php5, which probably depends on apache.. |
| 23:21.48 | karsten | sechrist: aptitude show php5 libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 23:21.59 | karsten | sechrist: Yeah, the module wants apache2.2-common |
| 23:22.38 | karsten | sechrist: If you want CLI/CGI versions of PHP, specify them. |
| 23:23.00 | karsten | !tell sechrist about dependencies |
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| 23:23.10 | sechrist | I know about dependencies |
| 23:23.26 | sechrist | I was more of just commenting on 'lol php needs apache according to apt' |
| 23:23.37 | karsten | sechrist: Very well. The next question becomes: what do you want, what are you trying to do? |
| 23:23.48 | sechrist | already solved -- needed cli and cgi |
| 23:23.50 | sechrist | thanks |
| 23:24.00 | karsten | OK, NP., |
| 23:24.09 | kukac | hi, i deleted par hasard two files in apache2/mods-available and I am unable to find the package that contains it to reinstall it. How do I proceed? |
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| 23:24.42 | karsten | kukac: apt-file may help you. What two files? What does "par hasard" mean? |
| 23:25.00 | kukac | userdir.conf and userdir.load |
| 23:25.08 | karsten | kukac: under /etc? |
| 23:25.15 | themill | kukac: most are in apache2.2-common, but not all. /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 23:25.25 | kukac | karsten: not, in the apache2 directory |
| 23:25.49 | themill | ,file mods-available/userdir.conf |
| 23:25.51 | judd | mods-available/userdir.conf in lenny/i386: apache2.2-common: etc/apache2/mods-available/userdir.conf |
| 23:26.00 | djura-san | did anyone here managed to use any bluetooth send/recieve GUI in dwm? |
| 23:26.44 | karsten | kukac: http://paste.debian.net/76172/ |
| 23:27.18 | karsten | Probably apache2.2-common, possibly debian-edu-config or libapache2-mod-ldap-userdir |
| 23:27.43 | sechrist | ..why does ksplice cost $3.95/m on debian but it's free on ubuntu |
| 23:27.48 | sechrist | seriously? |
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| 23:28.38 | kukac | themill: I reinstalled apache2.2-common and ...mod-ldap-userdir, but I could not find them |
| 23:28.51 | kukac | karsten: I reinstalled apache2.2-common and ...mod-ldap-userdir, but I could not find them |
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| 23:29.05 | themill | kukac: I know. did you "/msg dpkg confmiss"? |
| 23:29.22 | themill | (and the package you want is apache2.2-common) |
| 23:30.14 | kukac | themill: what is this /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 23:30.24 | kukac | themill: how to do this? |
| 23:30.35 | themill | dpkg: tell kukac about confmiss |
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| 23:33.27 | kblessinggr | trying to get MySQL 5.1 installed onto debian, but stuck at figuring out how to add experimental source to apt |
| 23:34.04 | karsten | !tell kblessinggr about experimental |
| 23:34.05 | themill | ,versions mysql-server-5.1 |
| 23:34.06 | judd | mysql-server-5.1 -- lenny-backports: 5.1.45-1~bpo50+1; sid: 5.1.47-1; squeeze: 5.1.47-1 |
| 23:34.13 | themill | kblessinggr: there's no need for experimental |
| 23:34.18 | kblessinggr | oh |
| 23:34.29 | themill | (particularly as mysql 5.1 isn't in experimental) |
| 23:34.45 | kblessinggr | hrm no mysql-server-5.1 packages |
| 23:34.49 | sechrist | mysql is a dinosaur rawr |
| 23:34.59 | karsten | themill++ |
| 23:35.05 | kukac | themill: thanks, i found it |
| 23:35.08 | kblessinggr | themill: well php 5.3.2 is general release too but you rarely ever see official repos supporting it |
| 23:35.12 | sechrist | drizzle in the hizzle fo shizzle |
| 23:35.14 | sechrist | https://launchpad.net/drizzle |
| 23:35.17 | kukac | themill, karsten: thanks for the kind help |
| 23:35.51 | kblessinggr | latest mysql package in aptitude search is 5.0 |
| 23:36.15 | themill | kblessinggr: look at what judd wrote a few lines back and /msg dpkg bpo |
| 23:36.27 | karsten | kblessinggr: 5.1 in lenny. |
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| 23:36.36 | karsten | (or possibly backports). |
| 23:36.37 | kblessinggr | I'm using the latest debian |
| 23:36.39 | kblessinggr | 5.0.4 |
| 23:36.41 | gusto | hi |
| 23:36.47 | gusto | i have a problem |
| 23:36.51 | kblessinggr | even did the dist-upgrade |
| 23:37.02 | gusto | i have a few "soundcards" and i need to put my soundcard as a default |
| 23:37.12 | gusto | i tried that by setting this /etc/asound.con |
| 23:37.13 | gusto | f |
| 23:37.24 | gusto | but that worked only one time and then mixed it up again |
| 23:37.41 | kblessinggr | guess its the backports then |
| 23:37.49 | gusto | its an alsa issue, but i don know what do do now |
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| 23:38.59 | kblessinggr | thanks judd |
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| 23:40.32 | gusto | hm |
| 23:40.40 | gusto | i tried the local file, maybe that helps |
| 23:41.07 | Zao | How large ought a typical /boot be for squeeze amd64? |
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| 23:43.08 | Zao | guesses wildly at 300M. |
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| 23:46.19 | karsten | Zao: My /boot is 17M with 2 kernels in it. |
| 23:47.15 | karsten | Zao: 300M should be plenty comfy. My root partition is 500M (471 available aftern journal), 50% utilized, with /usr, /var, /tmp, /home seperate. |
| 23:47.41 | karsten | Zao: http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Linux/FAQs/partition.html |
| 23:48.30 | karsten | Zao: Why are you splitting /boot from root? |
| 23:49.04 | Zao | karsten: Mostly historical reasons. |
| 23:49.21 | Zao | Nothing to lose when having it in a LVM anyway, as it doesn't consume partition slots. |
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| 23:49.41 | Zao | I'm going with a monolithic / though, apart from /boot. |
| 23:49.57 | thepro4e1er | is there a free software for debian that lets me record music i stream???? |
| 23:49.58 | karsten | Zao: Not particularly necessary if you're only single-booting. If you're multi-booting, and have additional kernels, I'd bump it up in size a bit. The real factor is how many kernels you leave installed, and/or how many GRUB splash screens. |
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| 23:50.03 | karsten | Zao: OK. |
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| 23:53.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | thepro4e1er, yes |
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| 23:56.49 | daishadar | is there a way to determine what network interface an ssh process is using (either through /proc or by sending signals to the process)? |
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| 23:57.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | wouldn't routing rules determine that anyway? |
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| 23:57.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | lsof should show it |
| 23:58.42 | liable | would it? |
| 23:58.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | or not.... |
| 23:58.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | I said "should" |
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| 23:59.29 | tharkun | netstat -pantu |
| 23:59.49 | liable | it does actually :) |