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| 00:00.38 | oomar | hola |
| 00:00.46 | oomar | alguien habla español? |
| 00:01.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | !es |
| 00:01.14 | dpkg | Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat |
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| 00:19.36 | seanjohn | I have 5 machines running with a total of 20 ip's, 4 public ips on each machine. The main interface is either eth1 or eth0 and, when one of the sub interfaces, eth1:3 for example, sends out packets, it shows up originating from the ip of the eth1. I NEED THIS to show up correctly, as the ip address of eth1:3, which is 173.50.101.13 on machine one. From what i get online, I have to make a routing table for each ip address to accomplish what I want and MAR |
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| 00:22.07 | Tramp | apart from that you were cut after "and MAR" - what do you mean by "sends out packets"? If somebody connects to the IP of eth1:x, the replies surely come from this IP |
| 00:22.22 | Tramp | (and, as I usually note at that point, virtual interfaces are deprecated) |
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| 00:22.51 | seanjohn | not connecting TO, tramp, connecting FROM |
| 00:23.03 | Tramp | see. that's what you missed in your first statement |
| 00:23.29 | seanjohn | well surely anyone who knows how to do this wuold know how easy it would be to LIMIT TO |
| 00:23.35 | Tramp | seanjohn: so first check, if the client which initiates the connection allows to specify to which IP t bind |
| 00:23.47 | seanjohn | you're still lost |
| 00:24.20 | seanjohn | sub interfaces show up as the main interface when connecting TO other machines |
| 00:24.27 | Tramp | I'm sure not. check e.g. ping -I for what I mean |
| 00:24.42 | seanjohn | sends out packets |
| 00:24.46 | Tramp | and? |
| 00:24.50 | seanjohn | find that in my question |
| 00:24.52 | Tramp | what's the -I for? |
| 00:24.54 | seanjohn | not send in |
| 00:25.27 | seanjohn | -I, there's no -I in my question |
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| 00:26.33 | Tramp | ping -I <eth1> <IP of eth1:3> would use this IP as the source-address. That's exactly, what you want. So first check, if your client supports, what ping supports - i.e. specification of the source-address |
| 00:26.45 | salvin | who use radeon with kms? |
| 00:26.59 | seanjohn | that doesn't work for EVERYTHING tramp |
| 00:27.19 | seanjohn | everything searches the routing tables to find out what device to send out on |
| 00:27.23 | Tramp | I never said that. |
| 00:27.53 | Tramp | it works for this client. for a different solution, google "bindhack" |
| 00:27.56 | seanjohn | no, not all of my clients support it and the main one that does are ignoring their own configuration |
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| 00:28.17 | seanjohn | smtp_bind_address is ignored in postfix, for example |
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| 00:29.47 | Tramp | the considerable more difficult solution is, to mark packets with iptables and then route based on the marks |
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| 00:32.32 | Tramp | but since you're crossposting to at least 3 different channels, please excuse me on this question |
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| 00:39.13 | dima202 | what ftp server should I use? Want fast and secure? |
| 00:40.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | possibly... |
| 00:40.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | !vsftp |
| 00:40.21 | dpkg | [vsftpd] the "Very Secure FTP Daemon", a GPL licensed FTP server for UNIX systems, including Linux. Frequently Asked Questions: ftp://vsftpd.beasts.org/users/cevans/untar/vsftpd-2.1.0/FAQ . Wiki: http://vsftpd.brainsware.org/ . http://vsftpd.beasts.org/ #vsftpd on irc.freenode.net. See also <ftpd>. |
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| 00:41.39 | rudi_s | !ftp must die |
| 00:41.39 | dpkg | FTP MUST DIE! http://mywiki.wooledge.org/FtpMustDie. If you really just want to provide anonymous download of files, use HTTP: http://daniel.haxx.se/docs/ftp-vs-http.html |
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| 00:42.18 | dima202 | heh |
| 00:42.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, yeah... mind that "secure" means doesn't give root-access to the machine |
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| 00:43.24 | dima202 | ok, yeah i'll go with that |
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| 00:49.36 | dima202 | CutMeOwnThroat: Can I use same accounts as system or is that a security problem? |
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| 00:52.17 | rfranknj | evince in testing segfaults |
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| 00:54.52 | bit0 | rfranknj, in sid, it seems to work |
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| 01:00.18 | dima202 | hmm i can't stop it? |
| 01:00.19 | dima202 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:00.20 | dima202 | Stopping FTP server: vsftpdNo /usr/sbin/vsftpd found running; none killed. |
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| 01:00.43 | NoPyGod | Running debian in VirtualBox, am seeing the following error in my kern.log, which is resulting in kerneloops telling me about a failure - WARNING: strange, CPU MTRRs all blank - is there a fix for this? |
| 01:01.01 | rudi_s | dima202: Looks like it isn't even running. |
| 01:01.09 | dima202 | rudi_s: I am connectint to my ftp |
| 01:01.17 | dima202 | throught sftp |
| 01:01.22 | dima202 | ftp isn't running |
| 01:01.29 | dima202 | h "ECONNREFUSED - Connection refused by server". |
| 01:01.41 | rudi_s | dima202: sftp? That's ssh, not ftp. |
| 01:01.49 | dima202 | oh |
| 01:02.14 | rudi_s | Which is most of the time the better solution. |
| 01:02.45 | dima202 | I wanted to put a naked ascii toon in welcome msg |
| 01:02.50 | dima202 | guessed i messed up the ocnfig |
| 01:03.59 | dima202 | http://www.asciipr0n.com/pr0n/morepr0n/pr0n22.txt |
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| 01:04.19 | dima202 | =) |
| 01:04.30 | skeletal | Guys i have a problem GRUB, someone can help me? |
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| 01:05.10 | rudi_s | !tell skeletal about ask |
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| 01:06.14 | skeletal | I friest installed a WINDOWS 7 here, and after i installed Debian. But, when show a grub i just can access my debian, when i wll go access windows partition, my Linux run auto........... What can I do in this case? |
| 01:06.36 | dima202 | is sftp slower then fpt? |
| 01:06.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | dima202, ftp is a clear-text protocol like telnet... |
| 01:07.12 | dima202 | yeah yeah more overhead with sftp right? |
| 01:07.16 | dima202 | so how much slower? |
| 01:07.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | dima202, and sftp is _not_ ftp |
| 01:08.08 | rudi_s | dima202: I haven't tested it, but if your password or data is valuable you won't use a plain-text protocol like ftp. |
| 01:08.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | dima202, if people can use sftp, forget about ftp |
| 01:08.54 | dima202 | i know, but this ftp server is vsftpd very secure somehow? |
| 01:09.05 | dima202 | lies |
| 01:09.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | rudi_s, he didn't really say what he wants to do :) you can run anon ftp |
| 01:09.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | dima202, I told you about that... |
| 01:09.35 | rudi_s | CutMeOwnThroat: Sure, just mentioning it ;-) |
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| 01:10.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | dima202, the server is supposed to be "secure" in the sense that it is supposed to have no exploits |
| 01:10.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | it can't magic away flaws in the protocol |
| 01:10.22 | dima202 | yeah, i understand |
| 01:11.05 | dima202 | looks like ezgen supports sftp |
| 01:11.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | also, there's anon ftp... where no passwords are transmitted as anyone can connect |
| 01:11.26 | dima202 | yeah but this is for my friend who want's hosting on here |
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| 01:13.07 | jpinx-eeepc | dima202: it'll depend on what your friend is using to upload their sites |
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| 01:13.36 | jpinx-eeepc | dima202: dreamweaver (for example) didn't do sftp till more recent versions |
| 01:13.56 | dima202 | he is using sftp |
| 01:13.59 | dima202 | i mean ezgenerator |
| 01:14.15 | dima202 | which is kinda lame, but hey whatever works right? |
| 01:14.36 | jpinx-eeepc | webdesign jockeys tend to use crapware :) |
| 01:15.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | apt-cache search crapware |
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| 01:15.18 | dima202 | haha |
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| 01:21.17 | SetBNW | Alguién ha probado instalar lenny en un intel atom n450?? |
| 01:23.19 | Texou | hi |
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| 01:24.09 | SetBNW | maybe it's non compatible... |
| 01:24.09 | linux2 | has anyone else been having trouble with sound in flash on debian squeeze? |
| 01:24.22 | linux2 | I can't seem to get it to work no matter what I do |
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| 01:25.41 | dima202 | looks like ezgenerato does not support sftp |
| 01:26.00 | dima202 | oh well, looks like I will have to remove his sudo rights |
| 01:26.15 | SetBNW | i want install debian on my netbook atom n450, but i don't know if they will work |
| 01:27.05 | dima202 | Why wouldn't it work SetBNW? |
| 01:27.52 | karsten | So ... what happened to Wawanee ? |
| 01:27.59 | NiLon | SetBNW installs fine, tho you might find trouble with wlan & special keys |
| 01:28.06 | NiLon | or any exotic feature |
| 01:28.25 | SetBNW | azerus wlan |
| 01:28.32 | SetBNW | they support it? |
| 01:28.49 | NiLon | if someone made driver for it, sure |
| 01:28.56 | SetBNW | :) |
| 01:29.17 | SetBNW | well, i'll try it... so i'll tell you if they support it |
| 01:29.30 | SetBNW | or they not |
| 01:29.50 | SetBNW | cya |
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| 01:30.52 | tbsaunde | karsten: he seems to have disappeared |
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| 01:31.30 | jpinx-eeepc | karsten: sleeping I reckon |
| 01:32.08 | Texou | I try using on OOo backported release Style and format feature. But no dialog appears if I click on button, if I do Format -> Style and format; if I do ctrl-1 (or 2, 3, 4,...), nothing happens. an idea please? |
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| 01:32.39 | karsten | jpinx-eeepc: he got his problem sorted? |
| 01:32.55 | jpinx-eeepc | karsten: no - we never got all the way |
| 01:32.59 | karsten | OKI |
| 01:33.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | jpinx-eeepc, if we don't say anything, perhaps he goes away? |
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| 01:46.30 | lvkro | Hi, I am trying to install debian right now, but it cannot detect the ethernet card on the eeepc. What should I do? |
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| 01:48.59 | jpinx-eeepc | lvkro: are you following the howto? |
| 01:49.17 | jpinx-eeepc | lvkro: installing on most eeepcs is easy enough |
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| 01:49.56 | lvkro | jpinx-eeepc: the how to I was following did not say anything about encountering a network problem |
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| 01:50.03 | jpinx-eeepc | what how to? |
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| 01:50.44 | lvkro | jpinx-eeepc: let me call it back up again. though I checked lspci and the network device is there. |
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| 01:53.16 | lvkro | jpinx-eeepc: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/HowTo/InstallUsingStandardInstaller |
| 01:54.23 | ccd | I want to keep my password database on a seperate VM from the VM I use to surf the web. Often, I need to copy a (too long to remember) password from the "secure" vm to the "web" vm... I would like to use either openvz or kvm, and I am trying to find out if either supports copy and paste from one to the other... anyone know? |
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| 01:54.58 | jpinx-eeepc | lvkro: which eeepc ? |
| 01:55.19 | lvkro | jpinx-eeepc: 1000HG |
| 01:55.42 | jpinx-eeepc | lvkro: did you check the models list on that wiki? |
| 01:56.00 | lvkro | jpinx-eeepc: Yes, it isnt there iirc |
| 01:56.46 | lvkro | jpinx-eeepc: I am thinking if modprobe would do the trick, although I am not sure which module |
| 01:58.56 | jpinx-eeepc | lvkro: if it's not listed I suggest you go to #debian-eeepc on irc.oftc.net |
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| 02:00.24 | lvkro | jpinx-eeepc: okay, thanks! |
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| 02:18.40 | liouk | salut |
| 02:18.53 | dima202 | is there open source ftp client for transfering from one ftp to another |
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| 02:19.53 | lvkro | Hi, just curious, has anyone tried squeeze? I am considering switching over to debian from archlinux because packages break everytime in archlinux sys upgrades/etc. So I am basically concerned with sqeeze's stability. |
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| 02:20.40 | brady | I have an IMAP account with a blank folder name (i.e., the name is the empty string). Thunderbird cannot properly handle it and I would like to delete it. Does anyone know of a client that can accomplish this? |
| 02:20.54 | dvs | lvkro: I use squeeze. I just wouldn't use it in a production environment. |
| 02:21.46 | careta | hey guys |
| 02:21.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | lvkro, that's why stable is called stable... and squeeze is not yet it |
| 02:22.08 | lvkro | dvs: Okay. I was trying to install lenny, but its missing some network drivers, so that's why I thought of squeeze. |
| 02:22.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | !moving target |
| 02:22.17 | dpkg | Sure, testing might be shiner that stable, but are you prepared to be continually updating your system? Things that worked today will break tomorrow. Configuration file formats will change and you'll have to fold your changes in yet again. Testing is a moving target and if you'd rather work *with* your computer rather than working *on* your computer, you might not want that. See <testing security>. |
| 02:22.26 | careta | if i wanted to reopen a bug, should I send the command "reopen bugnumber" to control@bugs.debian.org or bugnumber@bugs.debian.org? |
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| 02:22.41 | jpinx-eeepc | lvkro: you got good advice in oftc - go with it |
| 02:22.41 | metalfan_ | hi |
| 02:22.47 | dvs | !tell lvkro about kmuto |
| 02:23.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | lvkro, but that's just the kernel... /msg dpkg kmuto for installer images with a newere .... well dvs already did th |
| 02:24.21 | metalfan_ | i would like to create a ffmpeg package as described here (to get a never version) http://www.webupd8.org/2010/01/how-to-create-deb-package-ubuntu-debian.html but dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -b fails with: http://codepad.org/spogjtA3 any ideas why? |
| 02:25.13 | lvkro | So how do I install the atl1e.deb while trying to install the lenny system? |
| 02:26.23 | dvs | lvkro: you already have my answer. |
| 02:27.49 | lvkro | dvs: Oh! the 'd-i' images? |
| 02:27.56 | dvs | yes |
| 02:28.08 | lvkro | dvs: great! thanks! |
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| 02:28.10 | dvs | why reinvent the wheel |
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| 02:29.11 | mattcen | brady: Perhaps try Mutt? It may or may not work, and I'm not sure I can create a folder named empty string to test it... |
| 02:29.35 | brady | I will try Mutt next. Currently attempting alpine. |
| 02:29.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | dvs, because you're not content with its color? |
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| 02:30.15 | Zerbrochen^weg | while we're on it: any good xterm mail client with imap and multiple accs? |
| 02:30.33 | dvs | CutMeOwnThroat: because it's not square! |
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| 02:30.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | dvs, sheesh, read your d. adams! |
| 02:31.20 | dvs | why bother.... |
| 02:31.27 | mattcen | Zerbrochen^weg: I use Mutt, but don't strictly have multiple accounts. I have one account to which all mail is forwarded, and send hooks to use different From: addresses depending on who I'm sending to. |
| 02:31.53 | mattcen | And I can't speak for Alpine because I don't use it at all. |
| 02:32.27 | dextro_ | got a motherboard/psu/hdd in a styrofoam cooler and it stays warm in the winter but now that its starting to get warm out its getting too hot in the day |
| 02:32.27 | dextro_ | im thinking put some fans in it but then it will freeze at night |
| 02:32.27 | dextro_ | anyone know of a usb device or something that will turn fans on when cpu is warm and turn them off when its getting cold |
| 02:32.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | dvs, "you've been here for over 6 month and you've not even got the wheel?!" "ok, wiseass, then answer just one question: what color is it supposed to be?!" (mind, it was a bunch of PR-guys tasked to find/invent a means of transportation, i.e. the wheel) |
| 02:32.42 | Zerbrochen^weg | mattcen: hmm OK, thanks anyway.. |
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| 02:34.58 | karsten | CutMeOwnThroat: I thought stable was called stable because there were horses in it. |
| 02:35.06 | dvs | doh |
| 02:36.36 | karsten | Zerbrochen^weg: mutt. Failing that, kmail. |
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| 02:36.53 | karsten | Zerbrochen^weg: erm, "xterm client" -- ncurses? Mutt all the way. |
| 02:36.57 | NiLon | dextro_ you don't need device for that, just hook usb cable into fan and shutdown usb port when it's not needed :) |
| 02:37.15 | NiLon | dextro_ tho you get only 5V out of usb <3.0 |
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| 02:37.23 | NiLon | so it's not going to be enough |
| 02:37.32 | karsten | dextro_: external fans or your case / PSU / CPU fans? |
| 02:37.47 | karsten | NiLon: It's enough to power a relay. |
| 02:38.15 | karsten | NiLon: You can alway supply external power. X10 used to make remote device controllres in the day. |
| 02:39.20 | NiLon | transistor might be easier to set up |
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| 02:39.36 | piklu | hello guys |
| 02:39.50 | piklu | can we use any bootable linux live CD to be used in xen |
| 02:40.06 | piklu | as a HVM guest |
| 02:41.14 | karsten | piklu: ?? |
| 02:41.24 | piklu | karsten: yes |
| 02:41.27 | NiLon | karsten you know anything about controlling fan pins at MB? |
| 02:41.30 | piklu | am using HVM loader |
| 02:41.36 | NiLon | just thought it might be easier as they give 12V |
| 02:41.56 | dextro_ | NiLon you probably hear it a lot but you're a genius ty |
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| 02:42.27 | karsten | NiLon: Not a whole lot. Some of the laptop / acpi and powermon packages give you some of that functionality. |
| 02:42.47 | karsten | piklu: Your best bet is to just try it. I think it'll work. Why? |
| 02:43.01 | piklu | karsten: not working |
| 02:43.12 | karsten | piklu: There's your answer ;-) |
| 02:43.14 | piklu | karsten: its some little issue....am not finding |
| 02:43.18 | karsten | piklu: Might try Xen support specifically. |
| 02:43.35 | piklu | karsten: xen guys not replying, very slow....perhaps |
| 02:44.05 | karsten | piklu: It's the weekend. Send mail to their support list. |
| 02:44.41 | piklu | karsten: lol..okay, but u wanna mess up some head in this ? with me |
| 02:44.49 | karsten | piklu: No. |
| 02:44.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | karsten, thamks for the correction |
| 02:44.54 | piklu | he he |
| 02:45.10 | karsten | CutMeOwnThroat: NP |
| 02:45.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | apt-cache clean dung |
| 02:45.41 | karsten | CutMeOwnThroat: apt-cache shovel-stable. |
| 02:46.05 | nsadmin | what are the super cow powers? |
| 02:46.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | karsten, it must also be very secure |
| 02:46.17 | karsten | CutMeOwnThroat: or if you've got a very large installation: apt-cache shovel-augean-stables |
| 02:46.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | not only would the horses trample anyone to death... it's got all those safe-upgrades |
| 02:47.23 | nsadmin | I mean, when I run apt-get help or something of that nature at the end it says something like "this version does not have super cow powers enabled" |
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| 02:48.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | nsadmin, that's aptitude |
| 02:48.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | apt-get says This APT has Super Cow Powers. |
| 02:49.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | nsadmin, apt-get moo |
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| 02:52.53 | piklu | http://pastebin.com/Ef5pPHhL |
| 02:53.01 | piklu | xen config-----anybody wanna see and help |
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| 02:56.51 | nsadmin | I'm gonna try kvm, I was doing xen |
| 02:57.26 | piklu | nsadmin: hey can u help me |
| 02:57.29 | nsadmin | piklu: if that's only your config file, then you're not supplying enough info |
| 02:57.46 | nsadmin | you're not saying what you want |
| 02:57.46 | piklu | nsadmin: what else info shall be supplied ?? |
| 02:58.03 | nsadmin | tel what you want |
| 02:58.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | a 12 inch pianist... |
| 02:58.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | err :) |
| 02:59.02 | piklu | nsadmin: well i want a lot of things...first is i want to boot a live linux cd called backtrack in a domU |
| 02:59.35 | karsten | piklu: Why specifically Xen? If you're just testing, qemu's a much easier configuration. |
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| 02:59.50 | nsadmin | the kernel has to have xen stuff in it |
| 02:59.56 | karsten | piklu: KVM should be better performance. Xen's a litte on the quircky/tricky side. |
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| 03:00.26 | piklu | Please do not laugh, i want to host people on XEN...he he |
| 03:00.36 | nsadmin | ok so I just now apt-get installed kvm |
| 03:00.39 | nsadmin | it said: |
| 03:00.51 | nsadmin | Loading kvm module kvm_amd. |
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| 03:01.02 | nsadmin | so I assume that's a good result |
| 03:01.19 | piklu | nsadmin: i mean to say i want to provide xen hosting |
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| 03:01.31 | pthreat | alguien de mejico por aca ? |
| 03:01.48 | karsten | !debian-es |
| 03:01.48 | dpkg | Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat |
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| 03:02.01 | nsadmin | pthreat: /msg dpkg br |
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| 03:02.11 | pthreat | hm ? |
| 03:02.20 | pthreat | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:02.25 | pthreat | lolz |
| 03:02.38 | pthreat | nsadmin: I'm not from brasil |
| 03:02.44 | pthreat | brazil* |
| 03:02.55 | nsadmin | oh ok, ignore that then. my mistake |
| 03:03.02 | pthreat | np |
| 03:03.30 | nsadmin | but you can ask here if you're ok with english |
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| 03:07.29 | nsadmin | so if you want to host xen DomUs then the kernel you boot needs xen extensions |
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| 03:08.19 | piklu | nsadmin : explain |
| 03:08.48 | karsten | piklu: He just did. |
| 03:09.01 | nsadmin | xen extensions to the kernel come as patches which are applied to the kernel source, then it's built with those extensions enabled |
| 03:09.19 | karsten | piklu: Xen requires either VX hardware from Intel/AMD, or modified host (Dom0) and guest (DomU) kernels. |
| 03:09.36 | karsten | piklu: I worked for Xen for a while. As I said: it's not simple stuff. |
| 03:10.11 | piklu | karsten: well I have VT on processor, so we can run HVM |
| 03:10.12 | karsten | piklu: I would NOT be looking to use Xen for hosting services at this point in the game. |
| 03:10.44 | piklu | karsten: what shall we use than? suggest, i am new at this thing and I am looking for something to offer vps on |
| 03:10.55 | karsten | piklu: kvm |
| 03:11.11 | piklu | why kvm ? while kvm is not performing as good as xen still |
| 03:11.21 | karsten | piklu: Scales far better for hosting. Great performance. Doesn't partition memory. |
| 03:11.28 | karsten | piklu: What sort of hosting are you looking at? |
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| 03:11.56 | piklu | karsten: i want to offer HA vps..... |
| 03:12.14 | piklu | karsten: want to cluster servers in various DC for keeping it all alive |
| 03:12.32 | karsten | piklu: How many guests per host? |
| 03:12.39 | piklu | and i know that sounds large !! and i am noob to do it...but still i can try. |
| 03:12.58 | piklu | karsten: just enough to make profits....thats it....no overselling nothing.... |
| 03:13.32 | karsten | piklu: Xen doesn't allow virtualization of real memory. If you've got 16 GB, you can slice it among the guests, but you can't share it. |
| 03:13.37 | piklu | karsten: I just got my sites locked with a VPS provider, and thought why shall i can not bring a host for solid people. |
| 03:13.51 | piklu | I got 8 GB currently..... |
| 03:13.57 | karsten | piklu: With low workloads, you can get a much higher guest/host density with KVM than Xen. |
| 03:14.12 | karsten | piklu: You need to do more homework. |
| 03:14.16 | piklu | karsten: yes, that can be done with openVZ as well.... |
| 03:14.25 | piklu | karsten: perhaps we do not wanna oversell. |
| 03:15.07 | karsten | piklu: Xen is more appropriate for internal datacenter work, small numbers of guests per VM, mostly for configuration isolation and load management, not for large scale VM hosting. |
| 03:15.17 | piklu | Xen is a hardware level virtualistation and thus guarantees you get what you have....and no body is affected by other person over using resources |
| 03:15.24 | karsten | (where large scale VM means high densities of VMs per host). |
| 03:15.38 | karsten | piklu: That's a blessing and a curse. |
| 03:15.58 | karsten | piklu: It's not the way I'd fly for a hosting service. |
| 03:16.00 | piklu | karsten: xen is sold for better price than openvz or kvm |
| 03:16.37 | karsten | piklu: All three are freely available to boot. And "price" really depends on "available workload and value". |
| 03:16.43 | piklu | karsten: think of as a user, you would want your own resources, or u want to host websites on servers which can get affected even when your neighbour was doing mistake. |
| 03:17.03 | karsten | piklu: You're only talking to a guy who's worked closely with this shit for years, so you don't have to believe me or anything. I've said what I'm going to say. |
| 03:17.19 | nsadmin | what's the name of the gui thing for kvm? |
| 03:18.07 | piklu | karsten: i am not challenging you, i just have little know how of xen...no knowledge of kvm....just let me have some insights of how kvm wins over rest. |
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| 03:18.31 | karsten | piklu: As a user, you want to know what it is that you're buying, If it's dedicated-resource SLAs and that's important to you, great. If it's low-cost, low-load virtual hosting, and that's important to you, great. Don't buy one and get the other at a bad price though. |
| 03:18.57 | karsten | piklu: And I'm not inclined to give you the four hour in depth presentation here. Do your own homework. |
| 03:19.57 | piklu | karsten: thats rude, i do not know why people@IRC turn so high when u admire them, or accept their knowledge.....!! shit another egoistic IRC user. |
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| 03:20.59 | karsten | piklu: And expecting me to spend my saturday night at your beck and call isn't rude? |
| 03:21.03 | nsadmin | piklu: perhaps he doesn't have time (four hours is a long time to spend when instead he can be hanging out with gf |
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| 03:21.10 | karsten | piklu: I've give you *my* SLA. And at a damned good price. |
| 03:21.20 | piklu | karsten: oh !! like i asked u to read me bible.... !! |
| 03:22.01 | karsten | adjusts /ignore.... |
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| 03:22.32 | nsadmin | piklu: you're being pushy... I personally don't care whether you push people around or not |
| 03:22.54 | nsadmin | but YOU might care what the result will be/has been already |
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| 03:23.51 | piklu | nsadmin: you should also take care when you other person gets interested in knowing from you but you just wanna show that they have not done homework ? |
| 03:24.07 | nsadmin | maybe you think someone should spend a major block of time with you for free, especially on what might be a day off |
| 03:24.10 | piklu | reading all the docs ever available on all the technologies ? thats my homework. |
| 03:24.22 | sechrist | where should I symlink /etc/init.d/myfirewall to? I'm not too familiar with the runlevel symlinks on debina |
| 03:24.26 | karsten | nsadmin: If you'll use his nick, I'll be spared even more of this ;-) |
| 03:24.28 | sechrist | debian* |
| 03:24.30 | piklu | nsadmin : god when did i asked for all of his time !! |
| 03:24.42 | nsadmin | karsten: ok will do |
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| 03:24.48 | karsten | sechrist: man update-rc.d |
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| 03:25.27 | nsadmin | piklu: can't have it both ways... |
| 03:26.16 | piklu | nsadmin: leave guys, i know people@IRC in general have got too much ego |
| 03:26.53 | nsadmin | piklu: you're claiming that you're not asking for a LOT of help when you just got through commenting on how your time would be spend having to read otherwise |
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| 03:27.32 | karsten | sechrist: That's how you manage initscripts. Or read /etc/init.d/README and the references there. '1-5' are runlevels, 2 is default, 1 is single user, S is startup, 0 is halt, 6 is restart. |
| 03:27.39 | nsadmin | piklu: yep, I do have an ego, and I'm damn proud of it |
| 03:27.50 | sechrist | karsten: yeah I gotcha |
| 03:27.55 | sechrist | thanks |
| 03:27.58 | karsten | NP |
| 03:28.17 | piklu | nsadmin: lol, i would read.....for sure, and i have read about kvm and others.....i just asked to give a gist of what he thinks, how he thinks its better.....do u just raise the docs on internet ? or u people got ur own ideas as well ? |
| 03:28.19 | nsadmin | piklu: you have basic homework to do, so you should do it |
| 03:28.39 | sechrist | what runlevel should I put a service that depends on networking being up? |
| 03:28.45 | nsadmin | perhaps our own ideas are IN the docs |
| 03:28.56 | nsadmin | ever think of that? :) |
| 03:29.28 | piklu | nsadmin: lol.......go man go. |
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| 03:29.49 | karsten | sechrist: check where the networking script is invoked with 'S': ls /etc/rc?.d/S*network* |
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| 03:30.06 | nsadmin | piklu.anyway, you're advised that you're pushing too hard and not doing your own research in front of that |
| 03:30.17 | piklu | nsadmin: thanks dude, thanks |
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| 03:31.20 | karsten | notes that scribd is really f*ing annoying. |
| 03:31.59 | piklu | is annoyed of egoisting IRC guys |
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| 03:32.16 | nsadmin | pi, now I'm going to ask questions too, but they will be very specific and therefore easy to answer and not so general that I would seem to be asking for each thing in the field of relevence |
| 03:32.16 | tbsaunde | doesn't bother with automagic netowrking accept on servers |
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| 03:33.41 | karsten | sechrist: The other option would be to test that the link is in fact up in your firewa script. Though if the link isn't up, you won't be osing any traffic on account of having your firewall up, generally. |
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| 03:36.19 | sechrist | karsten well the firewall depends on a dns query |
| 03:36.28 | sechrist | whitelist for a dynamic dns domain |
| 03:39.30 | karsten | sechrist: ip link show eth0 | sed -ne 's/^.*\(state\)/\1/p' | awk '{printf( "%s %s\n", $1, $2 )}' |
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| 03:40.10 | karsten | sechrist: 'DOWN' is bad, "UNKNOWN" is passable. I'd test for access to the DNS server you're making that query on and pass/fail based on that. |
| 03:41.28 | sechrist | karsten: it's working as is on s60, I'll just leave it like that. if 8.8.8.8 goes down or my network goes down I have other issues to deal with. the datacenter can get a kvm/ip up on it fairly quick as well |
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| 03:43.11 | lvkro | How can I install .deb? |
| 03:43.26 | sechrist | dpkg -i file.deb |
| 03:43.26 | dpkg | removes a liver from sechrist and replaces it with file.deb |
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| 03:43.38 | nsadmin | lvkro dpkg --help |
| 03:43.58 | nsadmin | hey, just in time,,, there's deb right there! |
| 03:44.08 | sechrist | nice |
| 03:44.11 | nsadmin | someone wants to install you! |
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| 03:44.29 | lvkro | hm it says dpkg not found...since I am in the install usb for debian |
| 03:45.07 | nsadmin | oh, for what reason do you want to install a deb now? can you install first? |
| 03:45.22 | ribasushi | yo |
| 03:45.25 | sechrist | install usb? |
| 03:45.46 | ribasushi | .bashrc is supposed to be sourced for non-login shells, yet crontab seems to completely ignore it |
| 03:45.48 | lvkro | nsadmin: I am doing a network install, but it does not detect the network devices |
| 03:45.50 | ribasushi | is this intended? |
| 03:46.11 | nsadmin | lvkro: leave network unconfigured for now |
| 03:46.15 | nsadmin | install the base only |
| 03:46.47 | lvkro | nsadmin: although lspci reports the network devices. oh I think the base wasnt included |
| 03:46.57 | nsadmin | lvkro: what install image name? |
| 03:47.23 | nsadmin | lvkro: lspci -nn |
| 03:47.34 | lvkro | lenny-custom-0116.iso |
| 03:47.50 | nsadmin | is that a netinst? |
| 03:48.09 | lvkro | nsadmin: its from the 'd-i' images |
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| 03:48.20 | nsadmin | understood. |
| 03:48.22 | nsadmin | is that a netinst? |
| 03:48.35 | lvkro | nsadmin: I am not sure.. |
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| 03:48.52 | nsadmin | if it is, it does have the base. what is the size of the image file? |
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| 03:49.27 | lvkro | nsadmin: the whole .iso file is 244MB |
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| 03:49.51 | nsadmin | hmm, that's larger than a netinst |
| 03:50.00 | nsadmin | it probably does contain the base |
| 03:50.14 | nsadmin | try leavng network unconfigured, you'll configure it later |
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| 03:50.32 | lvkro | nsadmin: it also couldnt detect the usb image...which means i have to manually mount it |
| 03:50.35 | FiendKing04 | nsadmin: How are you trying to install it? Through a netinst? |
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| 03:52.17 | lvkro | FiendKing04: I am trying to install, either through base or netinst, but it is not detecting the hardware for both |
| 03:52.54 | FiendKing04 | Hrm... =\ |
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| 03:53.33 | FiendKing04 | I never really understood the netinst thing, though it did sound like a good idea for those who don't have the CD to waste. |
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| 03:54.05 | lvkro | well I have now manually mounted the usb drive. |
| 03:56.59 | lvkro | Any suggestions on how to proceed? |
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| 03:59.18 | FiendKing04 | I'm not exactly up to date on Debian. |
| 03:59.25 | FiendKing04 | I've been using PCLinuxOS for quite a while now. |
| 03:59.39 | FiendKing04 | I just use their LiveCD and it's pretty straightforward. |
| 03:59.53 | lvkro | Is it possible to install from their LiveCD? |
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| 04:04.25 | nsadmin | can you boot from a cd? |
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| 04:06.51 | nsadmin | lvkro can you boot from a cd? |
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| 04:09.20 | nsadmin | lvkro can you boot from a cd? |
| 04:09.28 | lvkro1 | also I just found out that the LiveCD does not offer installation |
| 04:09.48 | lvkro1 | nsadmin: oh I am installing from a netbook, no cd rom, unfortunately |
| 04:12.11 | nsadmin | did you say you can run lspci? |
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| 04:12.24 | lvkro1 | nsadmin: yes |
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| 04:12.45 | nsadmin | on the netbook right? |
| 04:13.25 | lvkro1 | nsadmin: yes |
| 04:13.25 | nsadmin | so run lspci -nn |
| 04:13.25 | nsadmin | and pick out the line that describes your hardware |
| 04:13.25 | nsadmin | show that line |
| 04:13.54 | FiendKing04 | None of the LiveCD's offer installation? :S |
| 04:14.08 | nsadmin | not the debian ones I guess |
| 04:14.24 | lvkro1 | 03:00.0 ethernet controller [0200]: Attansic Technology Corp. L1 Gigabit Ethernet Adapter [1969:1026] (rev b0) |
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| 04:14.46 | nsadmin | , pciid [1969:1026] |
| 04:14.47 | judd | [1969:1026] is 'AR8121/AR8113/AR8114 Gigabit or Fast Ethernet' from 'Atheros Communications' with kernel module 'atl1e' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1969:1026 |
| 04:15.07 | lvkro1 | oh wow, this bot is amazing! |
| 04:15.59 | nsadmin | so just get lenny netinst |
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| 04:16.15 | lvkro1 | it is actually lenny netinst |
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| 04:16.28 | nsadmin | oh ok |
| 04:16.31 | hmmmm | hi, i installed ircd-ratbox as root, and i can't run it as root (obviously |
| 04:16.40 | nsadmin | see if you can modprobe atl1e |
| 04:16.40 | hmmmm | so i su to daemon and try to run it but apparently it's not there |
| 04:16.55 | hmmmm | where does it install to exactly? aren't packages shared across users? |
| 04:17.12 | wols | hmmmm: why can't you start it as root? |
| 04:17.15 | lvkro1 | nsadmin: module not found |
| 04:17.30 | hmmmm | wols: It just gives me a nonchalant "Don't run ircd as root" |
| 04:17.35 | hmmmm | I wouldn't want to, anyway. |
| 04:17.45 | wols | hmmmm: did you start it via init script? |
| 04:17.53 | hmmmm | no |
| 04:18.02 | hmmmm | i want to start it with bash |
| 04:18.06 | nsadmin | did you install it from aptitude? |
| 04:18.10 | hmmmm | no, apt-get |
| 04:18.32 | nsadmin | then there is an init script, and it may already be running |
| 04:18.44 | hmmmm | would i need to reboot? |
| 04:18.50 | hmmmm | i just did this right now |
| 04:19.01 | nsadmin | shouldn't have to, just look at /etc/init.d for the script |
| 04:19.05 | hmmmm | also, is this init script you're talking about in /etc? |
| 04:19.11 | hmmmm | why not rc.conf? |
| 04:19.12 | wols | hmmmm: /etc/init.d/ircd-ratbox start. as root |
| 04:19.16 | hmmmm | ok |
| 04:19.25 | wols | hmmmm: cause debian isn't BSD. yet |
| 04:19.35 | hmmmm | :/ |
| 04:19.44 | hmmmm | i've never actually used linux before |
| 04:19.48 | hmmmm | i'm configuring a server for a friend |
| 04:19.54 | wols | you sound like you never used a unix before either |
| 04:19.59 | hmmmm | and why not |
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| 04:20.07 | wols | cause your make beginner mistakes |
| 04:20.11 | hmmmm | like...? |
| 04:20.13 | wols | *you |
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| 04:20.22 | wols | < hmmmm> wols: It just gives me a nonchalant "Don't run ircd as root" |
| 04:20.32 | wols | this alone qualifies for braindead to even try |
| 04:20.44 | hmmmm | I would never run it as root |
| 04:20.50 | wols | you tried |
| 04:20.56 | hmmmm | I just tried that because it didn't work trying to run as daemon |
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| 04:21.39 | wols | hmmmm: for the future: dpkg -L <package> |
| 04:21.43 | hmmmm | anyway, i did /etc/init.d/ircd-ratbox start as root, ps ax | grep ircd shows nothing but grep ircd |
| 04:22.35 | lvkro1 | nsadmin: can I somehow manually download and insert the module? |
| 04:22.41 | nsadmin | hmmmm, what would you suppose is the next place to look for information as to why it didn't start? |
| 04:22.59 | hmmmm | ..... the log...? |
| 04:23.08 | nsadmin | yes |
| 04:23.08 | wols | lvkro1: you already should have it. as the bot said: lenny comes with the driver for it |
| 04:23.09 | hmmmm | which i have no clue where it is |
| 04:23.31 | wols | lvkro1: you might be able to force it with modprobe atl1e and then check with /sbin/ifconfig -a if there is an interface |
| 04:23.32 | nsadmin | in what might be considered the standard place, /var/log |
| 04:24.19 | lvkro1 | wols: okay, I will try that. I tried Lenny from the official website and also lenny from the d-i images, both dont work |
| 04:24.27 | hmmmm | nsadmin, it's empty |
| 04:24.34 | hmmmm | (the log directory for the said daemon) |
| 04:24.36 | wols | lvkro1: what's your kernel version? |
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| 04:25.12 | nsadmin | try /var/log/daemon.log |
| 04:25.15 | lvkro1 | wols: how can it be retrieved? |
| 04:25.25 | wols | uname -r |
| 04:25.56 | wols | lvkro1: did you do what I told you to above first? |
| 04:26.01 | lvkro1 | wols: since I am in the d-i image right now, it says 2.6.32-trunk-486 |
| 04:26.24 | wols | that's not lenny but either kmutos or squeeze |
| 04:26.38 | wols | but still: the same applies: did you do what I told you? |
| 04:26.59 | lvkro1 | ifconfig wasnt found |
| 04:27.12 | lvkro1 | there was ip though, but it showed only the loopback interface |
| 04:27.17 | nsadmin | and also not lsmod? |
| 04:27.28 | lvkro1 | lsmod works |
| 04:27.44 | nsadmin | does lsmod show that module mentioned above? |
| 04:27.44 | wols | ip link then |
| 04:27.56 | lvkro1 | nsadmin: nope |
| 04:28.15 | lvkro1 | wols: shows only lo: loopback |
| 04:28.36 | wols | then why don't you modprobe it? |
| 04:28.50 | nsadmin | missing module. |
| 04:29.19 | lvkro1 | modprobe the ath5k or the atl1e says module not found |
| 04:29.21 | nsadmin | the module for his eth is... modprobe atl1e |
| 04:29.27 | wols | lvkro1: you have a debian installed but the NIC is not working under it, right? |
| 04:29.46 | lvkro1 | wols: no, I am trying to install debian |
| 04:29.51 | wols | lvkro1: then do it |
| 04:29.51 | lvkro1 | through netinst |
| 04:29.53 | nsadmin | you also have the atheros wireless? |
| 04:30.00 | wols | netinst doesn't need a network to install debian |
| 04:30.18 | nsadmin | it's not working properly, he's doing usb and it's not finding the image |
| 04:30.21 | lvkro1 | nsadmin: yes, but module not found |
| 04:30.40 | wols | lvkro1: how did you create the usb installer? unetbootin? |
| 04:30.48 | lvkro1 | wols: yes |
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| 04:31.09 | wols | that's your problem. use the way dpkg tells you /msg dpkg usb install |
| 04:32.02 | lvkro1 | wols: /msg not found.. |
| 04:32.13 | lvkro1 | dpkg isnt found also |
| 04:32.13 | dpkg | lvkro1: i don't know |
| 04:32.14 | wols | !usb install |
| 04:32.14 | dpkg | Yes, it is possible to install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03 . To download USB stick images, ask me about <install debian>. https://launchpad.net/win32-image-writer/+download to prepare from Windows. BIOS can't boot from USB? Use http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html |
| 04:33.19 | lvkro1 | mhm |
| 04:36.49 | lvkro1 | wols: how can I manually start the installation by executing a file from the usb? |
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| 04:40.27 | lvkro1 | hm |
| 04:41.14 | nsadmin | there may or may not be a way to do that, it's a detail that someone that dug into it would know... |
| 04:41.34 | nsadmin | I'd recommend trying it the way the install guide suggests |
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| 04:42.05 | lvkro1 | nsadmin: alright. I just find it odd that the module is included in lenny, but is not found when executing modprobe |
| 04:42.32 | nsadmin | probably the module is in a package still |
| 04:42.56 | nsadmin | and that package sits on the image |
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| 04:43.27 | lvkro1 | hm |
| 04:43.44 | sechrist | what's a good bandwidth administration/throtting/statistic/status system? I've never installed one |
| 04:43.48 | toolbear | hi. how to determine the dependencies of a *.deb archive? |
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| 04:43.58 | sechrist | I've heard bandmin but that seems tied to share hosting |
| 04:44.25 | nomasteryoda | iptraf is good |
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| 04:45.59 | sechrist | basically I want something that I can write trigger scripts if I go over a transfer rate threshold or a transfer amount threshold |
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| 04:46.08 | nsadmin | !kvm |
| 04:46.08 | dpkg | i guess kvm is kernel virtual memory, or keyboard/video/mouse. Kernel-based Virtual Machine, packaged for Debian as kvm in Lenny, qemu-kvm in Squeeze; see http://wiki.debian.org/KVM for installation instructions. Also ask me about <xve>. http://www.linux-kvm.org/ #kvm on irc.freenode.net. See also <virtualization>. |
| 04:47.58 | lvkro1 | nsadmin: by the way, do you know any other distributions that are known for stability |
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| 04:48.37 | sechrist | lvkro1: openbsd |
| 04:48.37 | kb3gtn | anyone know what the {a} on the end of a package means? |
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| 04:49.10 | kb3gtn | like in "libglib2.0-dev{a}" |
| 04:49.32 | wols | kb3gtn: context? |
| 04:49.47 | kb3gtn | dpkg or apt |
| 04:49.47 | dpkg | [APT] Advanced Packaging Tool, a package management system used by Debian and its derivatives. There is no apt program per se; APT is a C++ library of functions that are used by several command line programs for dealing with packages, notably apt-get, apt-cache, and aptitude. See also <aptitude> <apt-get>, <apt-cache>, http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/blog/entry/apt-system-diagram/ |
| 04:49.53 | wols | !tell sechrist about lartc |
| 04:50.08 | sepult` | a for alpha |
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| 04:50.11 | sepult` | b for beta |
| 04:50.13 | wols | kb3gtn: that's no context. try harder |
| 04:50.16 | wols | sepult`: no |
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| 04:50.24 | scb | Anyone knows any application to change how GTK render fonts? |
| 04:50.28 | kb3gtn | when I install some packages.. it shows some dependency packages and some show that {a} on the end of the package name.. just wondering what that means? |
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| 04:50.55 | wols | kb3gtn: fine, if you don't want to. good luck |
| 04:52.34 | khaleel5000 | hi, i have debian sid on hp dv5 1215tx (2.2 ghz c2d, 2 gig ram, nvidia 9600GT ) from past 2~3 weeks i am observing that my programs are loading slowly, how do i identify what might be the problem area (from where can I start looking?) |
| 04:53.27 | wols | khaleel5000: man hdparm ? |
| 04:54.11 | nsadmin | karsten: ayh? |
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| 05:01.06 | sechrist | I think lartc is overkill. I don't really need shaping. Netstat is fine for me I just would like to know total transfer rate, total transfer rate per port, and total transfer rate per connection |
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| 05:01.25 | sechrist | my webserver handles a good bit of the shaping |
| 05:05.12 | karsten | nsadmin: ?? |
| 05:05.21 | karsten | nsadmin: 'sup? |
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| 05:06.54 | nsadmin | karsten: heya, |
| 05:07.55 | nsadmin | I just got the kvm stuff installed, added me to the libvirt group and ran virt-manager, made a connection to local machine's virtd |
| 05:08.11 | karsten | nsadmin: And? |
| 05:08.12 | nsadmin | how would I make what would otherwise be called a DomU |
| 05:08.32 | nsadmin | it's already an installed system |
| 05:08.38 | karsten | nsadmin: Dom0/DomU are simply Xen's terminology for host and guest instances. |
| 05:08.44 | nsadmin | yes |
| 05:09.00 | karsten | nsadmin: I haven't used KVM myself ;-) |
| 05:09.24 | nsadmin | oh ok, I thought you had |
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| 05:10.04 | karsten | nsadmin: No. I've read a fair bit on it, and watched the dynamics between KVM devs and kernel team. Much better than that with Xen and the kernel team. |
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| 05:11.07 | nsadmin | well maybe you could answer a question or two about xen... I was running it before, but having fglrx driver, xen doesn't seem to like that... it didn't like nvidia either... any idea what could be boing on? |
| 05:11.12 | nsadmin | err going on |
| 05:11.43 | karsten | nsadmin: No. Our principle focus was server infrastructures, not GUI. |
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| 05:15.33 | nsadmin | oh ok, good enough... I may have questions another time... what's good to know is the kvm folks are getting along with the kernel ppl |
| 05:16.45 | nsadmin | oh, just curious... what's one thing you think was most causing the better dynamic between those groups? |
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| 05:21.13 | psiforce_ | hi all |
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| 05:22.06 | psiforce_ | is there anyway to set the block size of a tmpfs partition? I am using it to store lots of very small files and they all seem to take 4k |
| 05:24.14 | karsten | nsadmin: dunno. kvm seemed to be closer to the Linux ideal. Not being aquired by a Microsoft crony (Citrix, for Xen) also helped. |
| 05:24.24 | karsten | (KVM's company was aquired by RH). |
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| 05:25.48 | nsadmin | watch out for the VCs that got RH... if you deal with them they'll part out your company and sell the pieces |
| 05:26.10 | karsten | nsadmin: I thought that that was Novell. |
| 05:28.05 | nsadmin | there was something involving a 1995-2002 company called arsdigita, and I'm pretty sure these two specific VCs chased out the technical leads and mismanaged the company into the ground after trying to switch their product to java |
| 05:28.20 | nsadmin | the one fortunate thing is their product was GPLed from the start |
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| 05:29.15 | karsten | nsadmin: was that Phil Greenspun's company? |
| 05:29.18 | karsten | checks. |
| 05:29.21 | nsadmin | yep |
| 05:29.22 | jmarsden | Yes. |
| 05:29.28 | karsten | nsadmin: Yeah, that was a multi-clusterfuck, period. |
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| 05:30.04 | nsadmin | some people say that Greenspun brought them in, wanting to grow faster, which led to the demise |
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| 05:31.00 | nsadmin | but as it stands, their product was reincarnated as openacs |
| 05:31.06 | nsadmin | which is a debian package |
| 05:32.49 | karsten | nsadmin: Interesting. |
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| 05:38.56 | karsten | psycho_oreos: tar? |
| 05:39.07 | psycho_oreos | karsten, yes, gnu tar |
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| 05:39.16 | karsten | psycho_oreos: What tests? |
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| 05:39.59 | psycho_oreos | karsten, I dunno, all sorts of fancy tests, test that it will tar sparse files over 8GB for instance |
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| 05:40.16 | psycho_oreos | they do the tests after the source has been compiled |
| 05:40.27 | karsten | psycho_oreos: this is part of the build process? |
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| 05:41.04 | gps23 | how to create xorg.conf from a system already running X? |
| 05:41.06 | karsten | suspects that a critical missing piece of information in psycho_oreos's comment was "I'm rebuilding gnu tar from source ..." |
| 05:41.11 | psycho_oreos | karsten, I believe so yes, they called it testsuite and the actual tests are included in the source |
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| 05:41.16 | nsadmin | psycho_oreos: why not just install the existing tar? |
| 05:41.39 | karsten | gps23: sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg (as stated in /etc/X11/xorg.conf) |
| 05:41.42 | psycho_oreos | nsadmin, I'm trying to compile etch's version of tar for armel platform |
| 05:41.53 | karsten | psycho_oreos: Look at the Makefile / build system. |
| 05:42.03 | karsten | psycho_oreos: This isn't a #debian question, strictly. |
| 05:42.25 | nsadmin | karsten: I'd say that info was present in the phrase "after it has been compiled" :) |
| 05:42.38 | karsten | psycho_oreos: You might want to contact GNU upstream or the Debian developer packaging it now. They might know. |
| 05:42.46 | psycho_oreos | karsten, well partly true, but I am using debian's version of tar |
| 05:42.55 | gps23 | karsten: i tried the command you gave, still no xorg.conf created |
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| 05:43.08 | karsten | nsadmin: "After it has been compiled" is forever, and as Prince noted, that's an awful long time. |
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| 05:43.12 | psycho_oreos | karsten, alright thanks |
| 05:43.35 | karsten | gps23: read-only root filesystem? can you create any file there? |
| 05:43.41 | karsten | gps23: Any output at that command? |
| 05:43.44 | nsadmin | so I bet the problem is that when those tests run, it's dog slow on that bachine |
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| 05:44.01 | karsten | nsadmin: Good argument for a cross-compile. |
| 05:44.11 | gps23 | karsten: not read only, no output from command either |
| 05:44.41 | gps23 | karsten: i just ensured by creating a new folder in /root using sudo |
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| 05:45.12 | karsten | gps23: cat /proc/mounts. 'mount' wil read from /etc/mtab, won't be accurate if it actually is read-only. But your test clears that option. |
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| 05:46.17 | karsten | psycho_oreos: You want to talk to François Pinard <pinard@iro.umontreal.ca> |
| 05:46.45 | gps23 | karsten: cat /proc/mounts is also showing both / and /home as rw. i only have these two partitions |
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| 05:47.35 | craigevil | gps23: X -configure |
| 05:47.44 | gps23 | karsten: or should i boot into recovery mode and then run your command? |
| 05:48.00 | karsten | gps23: I don't think that'll help. |
| 05:48.14 | karsten | gps23: Try purging and reinstalling xserver-xorg. |
| 05:48.20 | gps23 | karsten: as X already running, sudo X -configure returned error |
| 05:48.35 | gps23 | karsten: in recovery mode there won't be X running |
| 05:49.01 | karsten | gps23: you can just go single user. 'shutdown now'. Enter root password. No reboot necessary. |
| 05:49.33 | karsten | gps23: The file *should* be regenerated regardless. You can also kill X and stop the X display manager (gdm/kdm etc.). |
| 05:50.12 | gps23 | karsten: thats better, i can go to tty1 and killall gdm, and then create xorg.conf |
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| 05:50.18 | gps23 | karsten: going to try that |
| 05:50.45 | karsten | gps23: The fact that X is currently running really shouldn't matter. The file is read at startup, then ignored. |
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| 05:52.11 | DanDare | allright |
| 05:52.11 | gps23 | karsten: Xorg segfaulted |
| 05:52.51 | DanDare | im just trying to run the game "out of this world" aka "another world" on windows7, what should i use to run it ? |
| 05:52.54 | DanDare | dosbox? |
| 05:53.00 | karsten | gps23: Intersting. |
| 05:53.12 | karsten | gps23: /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 05:53.28 | gps23 | karsten: http://pastebin.com/dGU6UpBv |
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| 05:56.05 | gps23 | karsten: i think Xorg.0.log with error got overwritten when i started gdm |
| 05:56.30 | gps23 | karsten: will save it this time upon error |
| 05:56.37 | karsten | gps23: No obvious problems. Can't find /dev/fb0 and GLX extension. |
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| 05:56.58 | karsten | gps23: Try launching X w/ strace, log stderr to file. |
| 05:57.58 | karsten | nsadmin: I was doing som elooking to see who does what how. Amazon EC2 is Xen-based. |
| 05:58.03 | karsten | nsadmin: http://wiki.xensource.com/xenwiki/ElasticHosting |
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| 05:58.40 | gps23 | karsten: this is the log containing error http://pastebin.com/85xi5Bc0 |
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| 06:02.40 | gps23 | may be vmware driver is the culprit |
| 06:04.06 | Caelum | what's the python package installer, easy_install or something like that? what package is it in? |
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| 06:06.00 | nsadmin | karsten: zill.net has some xen vservers too, they do openacs hosting |
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| 06:06.48 | ansgar | Caelum: apt-file search bin/easy_install â python-setuptools |
| 06:07.15 | Caelum | ansgar: thank you very much |
| 06:07.35 | Caelum | ansgar: I was updating apt-file as you were saying that :) |
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| 06:08.43 | Caelum | puts sudo apt-file update into cron |
| 06:09.13 | gps23 | on doing X -configure i am getting these errors: http://pastebin.com/85xi5Bc0, please help |
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| 06:12.56 | jpinx-eeepc | Caelum: all well and good, but the update on it's own does not do much -- it's the upgrade that will save you ;) |
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| 06:14.39 | karsten | gps23: Sec. |
| 06:16.02 | karsten | gps23: Did you run strace with that or not? |
| 06:16.29 | karsten | gps23: Please run: 'strace X --configure 2> x.strace' and pastebin x.strace |
| 06:17.04 | karsten | erm, single -: 'strace X -configure 2> x.strace' |
| 06:17.09 | gps23 | karsten: didn't ran strace. doing now |
| 06:17.34 | karsten | gps23: And this is running under vmware? |
| 06:17.47 | Caelum | jpinx-eeepc: I wish we could have fully non-interactive upgrades, and it would just queue all things requiring user actions in some app you could periodically run |
| 06:18.04 | gps23 | karsten: no, running normally, i am myself confused why vmware is coming up |
| 06:18.11 | karsten | Hrm... |
| 06:18.26 | gps23 | karsten: i had vmware installed on ubuntu which i formatted then then installed debian over it |
| 06:18.28 | karsten | gps23: Perhaps your universe is running under VMWare ;-) |
| 06:18.44 | Caelum | heh |
| 06:19.12 | gps23 | going to try strace thing |
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| 06:20.22 | gps23 | karsten: can you please write that strace command again. i didn't noted it and closed irssi |
| 06:20.27 | gps23 | karsten: sorry |
| 06:22.13 | karsten | erm, single -: 'strace X -configure 2> x.strace' |
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| 06:22.54 | gps23 | karsten: thanks |
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| 06:25.41 | gps23 | karsten: http://pastebin.com/eM1bAaB4 |
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| 06:27.04 | Caelum | what ever happened to debian mentors? they had a repo with useful stuff for a while |
| 06:27.11 | karsten | gps23: Give me a sec. |
| 06:27.18 | gps23 | karsten: alright |
| 06:28.33 | karsten | gps23: line 2399. Segfault appears after hitting /proc/dri/0 |
| 06:29.33 | gps23 | i don't know why vmware driver is coming up. it is there at lint 2398 |
| 06:29.35 | karsten | gps23: ... and or in /lib/libc.so.6, which would suggest a bigger problem (more stuff would be faiing). |
| 06:29.38 | karsten | Yeah. |
| 06:30.38 | gps23 | karsten: i more thing, i also installed nvidia-glx and nvidia-kernel-source before doing X -configure |
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| 06:30.59 | gps23 | karsten: i was following this wiki http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 06:31.15 | gps23 | 1* more thing |
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| 06:33.20 | craigevil | gps23: uninstal the vnware driver, then do X -configure, |
| 06:34.20 | karsten | gps23: What's your GPU? |
| 06:34.35 | gps23 | craigevil: how to find name of vmware driver? |
| 06:34.43 | gps23 | karsten: its nvidia geforce 7025 |
| 06:35.13 | craigevil | gps23: xserver-xorg-video-vmware |
| 06:35.21 | karsten | craigevil: We're trying X -configure, it's segfaulting. |
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| 06:35.41 | craigevil | yes its the vmware driver its a known bug |
| 06:36.00 | gps23 | craigevil: doing so will also uninstall xserver-xorg-video-all |
| 06:36.15 | craigevil | thats just a metapackage it does nothing |
| 06:36.21 | gps23 | craigevil: oh ok |
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| 06:36.55 | gps23 | craigevil: now trying to do X -configure again |
| 06:37.03 | gps23 | just a sec |
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| 06:39.07 | gps23 | karsten: craigevil it worked! xorg.conf.new is created |
| 06:39.16 | gps23 | karsten: craigevil thanks a lot |
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| 06:40.25 | gps23 | i was thinking to reinstall debian and run X -configure before doing anything :p |
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| 06:44.04 | karsten | gluon: Reinstall is very rarely necessary. I'd track down the vmware driver |
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| 06:53.23 | rubin110 | Hi, I have one of the newer WD EARS with a 4k sector size. The Debian installer barfs when I try to have it automatically partition it. So does fdisk when I try to do it by hand. |
| 06:53.54 | rubin110 | Most items I've found online state to use parted to partition the drive, but I haven't found anything on how to partition it with LVM. |
| 06:54.23 | rubin110 | Anyone feel like giving me some direction on how to do this with parted? |
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| 07:00.07 | wols | rubin110: why not gparted? |
| 07:00.29 | rubin110 | From my understanding gparted barfs with this drive. |
| 07:00.54 | rubin110 | Especially whatever version is running under lenny, which is the only system I have right now running with a GUI. |
| 07:01.23 | wols | ,versions gparted |
| 07:01.24 | judd | gparted -- etch: 0.2.5-2; lenny: 0.3.8-1+b1; sid: 0.5.2-2+b2; squeeze: 0.5.2-2+b2 |
| 07:01.41 | wols | btw:gparted has a livecd |
| 07:02.19 | rubin110 | Actually never mind, I don't think that machine has a GUI setup on it anymore. |
| 07:02.28 | rubin110 | Nor a video card. |
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| 07:32.21 | a_l_e | is there a way to share an external drive with ext4 partitions among several computers? |
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| 07:32.39 | a_l_e | without being root when you want to write to it... |
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| 07:34.26 | a_l_e | it seems that there are lots of people asking for it, but the only solution i see lying around is to sudo chmod everytime you mount the partition on a new system. which is not something i want to do... |
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| 07:36.54 | a_l_e | so can i mount a ext4 partition and ignore the user rights? |
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| 07:38.01 | a_l_e | or is there a better fs to use for external drives? |
| 07:38.05 | a_l_e | (not vfat, please) |
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| 07:39.09 | graytron | a_l_e: i don't know any other way than to run sshfs, ftp server or something similar |
| 07:39.23 | graytron | a_l_e: nfs? |
| 07:39.38 | a_l_e | graytron: the disk is locally attached to one comptuer at a time... |
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| 07:39.43 | valdyn | a_l_e: did you check if ext4 mount supports umask? |
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| 07:40.06 | a_l_e | but the user ids don't match among systems |
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| 07:40.45 | valdyn | a_l_e: like: mount -o umask=000 /dev/whatever /mountpoint |
| 07:41.42 | a_l_e | valdyn: mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sdc1 |
| 07:41.53 | a_l_e | for: sudo mount -o umask=000 /dev/sdc1 /mnt/wd_500 |
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| 07:43.13 | a_l_e | ok, a post on the ubuntuforums affirms that ext4 does not support the umask otion... |
| 07:43.32 | valdyn | !yp |
| 07:43.32 | dpkg | somebody said yp was nis |
| 07:43.35 | valdyn | !nis |
| 07:43.35 | dpkg | rumour has it, nis is the Network Information System. It can be used to distribute files across networks. It is commonly used to maintain staff directories and files like /etc/group. Many sysadmins hate it because it is insecure. See also <NFS>. Network Information Service, or http://www.levenez.com/NeXTSTEP/Xedoc.gif |
| 07:44.05 | a_l_e | valdyn: i don't want the partition to be sared around the network. |
| 07:44.10 | a_l_e | just locally mounted |
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| 07:47.49 | a_l_e | ok... i guess that the only way to go is to use ntfs partitions... and hope that they are flawlessly supported... |
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| 07:47.57 | graytron | a_l_e: how do you share a partition among several computers without a network? |
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| 07:48.11 | a_l_e | graytron: unplug / repluc? |
| 07:48.14 | a_l_e | graytron: unplug / replug? |
| 07:48.24 | a_l_e | it's a usb external drive |
| 07:48.33 | graytron | ahh |
| 07:49.22 | a_l_e | not really black magic, but there doesn't seem to be any free file system to support it. |
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| 07:49.56 | a_l_e | and i want to be able to write on it from any system without needing root rights. |
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| 07:51.22 | graytron | a_l_e: sure you can do it with ext4 then. you just have to find a way to automatically chmod after the drive is mounted. hmm |
| 07:51.50 | a_l_e | graytron: you have to be root do chmod the external drive. |
| 07:51.56 | a_l_e | afaik... |
| 07:52.19 | graytron | a_l_e: yes, but you can automate such things so it wouldn't need user interaction |
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| 07:52.27 | Arrowmaster | or you could just find a shared gid amoung the users on each system |
| 07:52.44 | a_l_e | i need to be able to use my external hard drive on random system which understand ext4 |
| 07:52.58 | Arrowmaster | oh random system |
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| 07:53.32 | a_l_e | well, you know, a typical task you will do with an external drive... |
| 07:53.41 | graytron | a_l_e: so all users should have access to all files of the drive? |
| 07:53.47 | a_l_e | yes |
| 07:54.18 | a_l_e | like when you use vfat (but supporting larger files, longer file names and being free) |
| 07:54.52 | graytron | a_l_e: doesn't running "sudo chmod a+rw /mount/point" do it? |
| 07:55.13 | graytron | a_l_e: sudo chmod -R a+rw /mount/point" |
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| 07:55.56 | a_l_e | probably yes (if the partition is already mounted). but, then, you need root rights every time you mount it. |
| 07:56.14 | valdyn | a_l_e: you need root rights to mount it anyway |
| 07:56.19 | Arrowmaster | no he means make everything world writable once |
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| 07:56.32 | a_l_e | not if it's listed in /etc/fstab |
| 07:56.42 | valdyn | a_l_e: one huge problem is that ext3/4 has the suid bit. |
| 07:56.57 | a_l_e | however, it seems that there is no way to do it... |
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| 07:57.19 | Arrowmaster | if its listed in /etc/fstab then its not a random system |
| 07:57.19 | a_l_e | the next time i have some spare time i will reformat the drive as ntfs. |
| 07:57.50 | a_l_e | Arrowmaster: well, it's not always a random system, your right |
| 07:57.58 | xingu | a_l_e: you could probably do what you need to do with posix acl's rather than trying to torture permissions into submission |
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| 07:59.11 | graytron | a_l_e: if you end up using ext4, then add "nosuid,nodev" options to /etc/fstab |
| 07:59.53 | Arrowmaster | a_l_e: if you have to switch to a different filesystem UDF might work |
| 07:59.57 | mayanks43 | can we install debian kde live cd on vmware? |
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| 08:01.14 | a_l_e | graytron: "nosuid,nodev" doesn't give me write rights to the partition |
| 08:01.29 | a_l_e | cannot touch `/mnt/wd_500/abcd': Permission denied |
| 08:01.33 | xingu | just create a default acl that permits everything at the root of the filesystem, should do the expected. |
| 08:01.41 | a_l_e | /dev/sdc1 /mnt/wd_500 ext4 defaults,user,nosuid,nodev,rw,noauto 0 0 |
| 08:01.44 | graytron | true. thats just for security |
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| 08:02.31 | a_l_e | well, i guess nobody thought about the fact that one does not want any security on an usb stick being carried in ones pocket... |
| 08:02.58 | a_l_e | or, if he needs security, he does not want to be overrulled by a sudo, but will prefere to encrypt the parition... |
| 08:03.10 | Arrowmaster | thats not for security of the usb stick but security of the systems |
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| 08:03.35 | a_l_e | i don't see where i get more security for the system if i can't write to a usb stick... |
| 08:03.56 | graytron | xingu: can you give a_l_e a command to run to create a default acl that permits everything at the root of the fs :) |
| 08:04.18 | a_l_e | no, i don't want to anything at the root, just on selected mount points. |
| 08:04.31 | graytron | that's the root of a fs |
| 08:04.37 | cast | chmod -R 0777 it if you really don't care |
| 08:04.57 | a_l_e | cast: yes, but i have to do it every time i mount my partition on a new system. |
| 08:05.06 | Arrowmaster | no you do not |
| 08:05.10 | Arrowmaster | you do it once |
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| 08:05.17 | cast | once per filesystem |
| 08:05.36 | a_l_e | the new files wont probably have 666/777 |
| 08:05.52 | Arrowmaster | you can change that though |
| 08:06.05 | graytron | a_l_e: add umask to user's bashrc to make all their files world readable :D |
| 08:06.17 | a_l_e | ok, however, there is no solution, i have to get some work done (even if it is sunday morning), i will use ntfs in the future and i will pray that ntfs is well supported |
| 08:06.33 | Arrowmaster | its not |
| 08:06.41 | Arrowmaster | use UDF over NTFS |
| 08:07.02 | a_l_e | ???? |
| 08:07.11 | Arrowmaster | its a filesystem |
| 08:07.19 | cast | hmm |
| 08:07.24 | xingu | graytron, a_l_e: setfacl -d --set u::rwx,g::rwx,o::rwx /mount/point |
| 08:07.35 | cast | i don't have this problem since i have the same uid between system |
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| 08:07.39 | cast | systems* |
| 08:07.40 | graytron | xingu: thanks |
| 08:08.01 | graytron | a_l_e: now xingu solved your problem |
| 08:08.06 | xingu | graytron, a_l_e: you may also need chmod 777 /mount/point |
| 08:08.27 | valdyn | till one of his systems has no support for acl? |
| 08:08.44 | a_l_e | mmmh... i'm not sure i want 777 for files, though... mah... |
| 08:08.53 | a_l_e | people, i'll stick with ntfs and pray. |
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| 08:09.12 | a_l_e | i don't want god to get unemployed... :-) |
| 08:09.17 | xingu | valdyn: an ext4-capable system without acl's would be like crackers without cheese - unpossible. |
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| 08:09.38 | a_l_e | now, i really have to do some real work. |
| 08:09.47 | xingu | a_l_e: how is your ntfs conceptually different? |
| 08:10.02 | xingu | a_l_e: ... to a mode 777 inheriting ext4? |
| 08:10.42 | a_l_e | xingu: it seems to support umask=000. |
| 08:10.53 | a_l_e | really, i have to prepare the workshop i'm giving this afternoon. |
| 08:11.07 | FiendKing04 | xingu: Think about trying to chmod on an NTFS system versus ext4. :S |
| 08:11.19 | xingu | a_l_e: in either case all files are exposed to all users on the system which has the drive inserted |
| 08:11.22 | FiendKing04 | I understand your position, I'm also just pointing out... >.< |
| 08:11.31 | a_l_e | if any swiss is around here and is interested in graphics with free software just drop by this afternoon at the rote fabrik in zurich... |
| 08:11.45 | a_l_e | we can also discuss about mounting usb drives, if you want. |
| 08:12.00 | liable | SaMsUnG^JoGd|al: stop it |
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| 08:14.04 | NoPyGod | when is the next release of debian expected.. the one after lenny |
| 08:14.17 | liable | !wwlr |
| 08:14.17 | dpkg | IT'S OUT! http://debian.org/News/2009/20090214 |
| 08:14.24 | liable | derp |
| 08:14.27 | liable | !wwsr |
| 08:14.28 | dpkg | Squeeze will release <WIR>, <SIYH>. No release schedule is done yet. Ask me about <squeeze bet>. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2010/05/msg00000.html |
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| 08:14.49 | liable | i wish an opper would ban this twat ^^ |
| 08:15.23 | NoPyGod | liable: me? |
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| 08:16.58 | Arrowmaster | no i think he means the one guy that keeps changing nicks every few seconds |
| 08:17.26 | NoPyGod | oh good : } |
| 08:17.28 | cast | NoPyGod: did you ask that yesterday |
| 08:17.37 | NoPyGod | no |
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| 08:17.42 | NoPyGod | i asked something else |
| 08:17.45 | NoPyGod | : } |
| 08:17.53 | valdyn | !wwsr |
| 08:17.54 | dpkg | Squeeze will release <WIR>, <SIYH>. No release schedule is done yet. Ask me about <squeeze bet>. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2010/05/msg00000.html |
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| 08:20.56 | Arrowmaster | !ops nick change spam |
| 08:20.56 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: arrowmaster complains about: nick change spam |
| 08:21.23 | NoPyGod | another question: debian with kernel 2.6.26-2-686 gives the following warning in kern.log, WARNING: strange, CPU MTRRs all blank |
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| 08:21.44 | NoPyGod | somebody in #vbox says that ubuntu with 2.6.32 just says "CPU MTRRs all blank - virutalized system." |
| 08:22.01 | NoPyGod | presumably this means, when debian gets the newer version of the kernel, this warning will be fixed? |
| 08:22.15 | NoPyGod | sorry if that sounds like a stupid question, i'm relatively new to all of this |
| 08:22.26 | jpinx-eeepc | NoPyGod: you can instal ...32 in lenny if you want |
| 08:22.40 | NoPyGod | is it a big drama to do that? |
| 08:23.05 | xingu | NoCode: mtrr's are pretty meaningless in a hypervised guest |
| 08:23.06 | jpinx-eeepc | not really |
| 08:23.22 | xingu | s/NoCode/NoPyGod/ |
| 08:23.26 | NoCode | tickles xingu |
| 08:23.27 | NoPyGod | xingu: supressing the message is all im concerned about |
| 08:23.30 | tau | i was download the cd 1 from http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.4/i386/iso-cd/ i noticed its size was 645M but when i downloaded it was 351M. is it common ? can I use that iso or i have to download again ? |
| 08:23.31 | xingu | giggles |
| 08:23.38 | NoPyGod | because it causes kenerloops to report an error |
| 08:23.46 | tau | hey, the program which i was downloading noticed to me it was finished. |
| 08:24.06 | Arrowmaster | tau: download probably got interrupted |
| 08:24.12 | tau | Arrowmaster: sure. |
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| 08:25.20 | xingu | NoPyGod: then kerneloops needs a way to check against the known-known, given that kernel and distribution release cycles rarely coincide. :) |
| 08:25.50 | NoPyGod | wel kern.log shows a warning |
| 08:26.06 | NoPyGod | so kerneloops is just doing its job |
| 08:26.36 | mayanks43 | can we install debian kde live cd on vmware? |
| 08:26.39 | NoPyGod | in ubuntu with kernel 2.6.32, the message is suppressed because its a known condition in virtualized environments |
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| 08:29.10 | xingu | NoPyGod: think of the bigger picture; there will *always* be issues triggered in kernels still considered "stable" that have been fixed upstream; if you have a rules-based engine reporting warnings, you also need rules in that rules-based engine which sift out such known-knowns |
| 08:29.45 | NoPyGod | i agree, kerneloops is not perfect |
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| 08:30.08 | NoPyGod | but alas, i am a mere newbie in this game we call linux |
| 08:30.13 | NoPyGod | and i have no influence on the powers that be |
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| 08:30.44 | xingu | if anything kerneloops needs to divide its talents between known unknowns (which it needs to report upstream for scoring), and known knowns (which it needs to report to the distribution owner to nag them to take the patch) |
| 08:31.01 | xingu | NoPyGod: you can file bugs with the best of 'em. :) |
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| 08:31.26 | NoPyGod | you obviously feel quite strongly about this |
| 08:31.27 | NoPyGod | : } |
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| 08:32.19 | NoPyGod | i think im goin to try compiling ..32 myself |
| 08:32.27 | NoPyGod | wish my bloody internet wasnt capped |
| 08:32.50 | FiendKing04 | Bandwith capped or Speed capped? :S |
| 08:33.18 | NoPyGod | speed |
| 08:33.22 | NoPyGod | capped at 56k |
| 08:33.24 | NoPyGod | rofl |
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| 08:38.31 | rtronk | adduser -s /sbin/nologin -M -u 5000 vmail i am suppost to run this command on a tutorial what is the -M in debian? |
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| 08:41.51 | wols | rtronk: why don't you check the manpage? |
| 08:43.27 | rtronk | my debian doesnt recogonize the -M |
| 08:43.32 | rtronk | i'm trying to follow this tutorial |
| 08:43.40 | rtronk | http://neranjara.org/article/title/How_to_configure_PostFix_and_Dovecot_for_Virtual_Users_with_out_a_Database_ |
| 08:43.43 | Bop | i dont see any parameters in man page |
| 08:43.49 | NoPyGod | when updating kernel, is 686 the same as x86 ? |
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| 08:45.10 | wols | NoPyGod: yes |
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| 08:47.04 | Bop | rtronk, i dont see -M parameter in the man page |
| 08:47.23 | wols | home directory' not created for the user. |
| 08:47.25 | rtronk | http://neranjara.org/article/title/How_to_configure_PostFix_and_Dovecot_for_Virtual_Users_with_out_a_Database_ |
| 08:47.27 | rtronk | errr |
| 08:47.30 | rtronk | M means "Do no create the user´s home directory, even if the system wide setting from /etc/login.defs (CREATE_HOME) is set to yes." |
| 08:47.37 | rtronk | what is the command on debian? |
| 08:48.39 | Bop | and how do u know that , wols |
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| 08:54.17 | michalxo | BAN this guy please... aweksepi caspar Clik here to get money --> http://.... |
| 08:54.19 | michalxo | thank you |
| 08:54.28 | michalxo | changed name to wai |
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| 08:54.50 | michalxo | lol |
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| 08:55.09 | wols | michalxo: who? |
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| 08:55.33 | michalxo | his name is now krista |
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| 08:56.00 | michalxo | stupid guy, offering money.. |
| 08:56.08 | goksin | should be banned |
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| 08:56.28 | goksin | it is spam-bot, I guess |
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| 08:56.55 | xiangfu | now his name is peebles |
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| 08:57.22 | dupondje | 10:57 <apollo`> Clik here to get money --> http://www.clickmonster.info/index.php?ref=klik or www.home-money.co.cc |
| 08:57.27 | dupondje | kick its ass plz |
| 08:57.27 | dupondje | :) |
| 08:57.50 | wols | dupondje: we know |
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| 08:58.06 | Bacta | I clicked the link |
| 08:58.09 | wols | !ops onjoin spam |
| 08:58.09 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: wols complains about: onjoin spam |
| 08:58.15 | wols | Bacta: that was very very stupid |
| 08:58.26 | Bacta | Why? |
| 08:58.43 | wols | cause you do what he wants. it's a personalized link. use your brain |
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| 08:58.57 | Bacta | Use my what? |
| 08:59.22 | wols | yes, you can't use what you lack. this guy spams so he gets MONEY. and you fell for it |
| 08:59.48 | Bacta | Isn't it good he gets money? |
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| 09:00.00 | Bacta | Why do you want to stop the man from personal, free enterprise? |
| 09:00.19 | skinder | in which rep is b43-fwcutter? |
| 09:00.34 | wols | skinder: probably contrib. if it still exists |
| 09:00.39 | wols | !tell skinder about search |
| 09:01.05 | skinder | =_='' ok |
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| 09:03.33 | Bacta | Hi yolanda |
| 09:03.36 | Bacta | Are you here to spam? |
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| 09:13.06 | jpinx-eeepc | ,versions comp-cache |
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| 09:15.00 | rubin110 | Is there a way to tell lvcreate to user up the remainder of a volume? |
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| 09:21.01 | frostschutz | rubin110: dunno if there is a way directly, but vgdisplay should tell you exactly how many free PE there are and using that info you can make a lv that uses exactly that size |
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| 09:22.04 | frostschutz | rubin110: lvcreate -l 100%FREE according to the manpage, never tried that |
| 09:22.27 | rubin110 | Ah. |
| 09:23.22 | frostschutz | rubin110: just tried it, works for me |
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| 09:26.12 | Bacta | I am a troll |
| 09:27.36 | wols | is "unaffiliated/bacta" a known troll in #d? |
| 09:28.00 | Bacta | ? |
| 09:28.03 | Bacta | no |
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| 09:30.21 | _L30_ | nsadmin: around? |
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| 09:30.54 | _L30_ | i was able to boot to my customized kernel |
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| 09:31.22 | _L30_ | however always i have to set root=/dev/sda1 while the default is hda1 |
| 09:31.33 | _L30_ | so how do i apply the changes to the system? |
| 09:32.04 | wols | edit the # kopt line in your menu.lst |
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| 09:33.24 | _L30_ | where is that file? |
| 09:34.29 | _L30_ | boot/grub ? |
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| 09:55.19 | _L30_ | wols: where do i set that? |
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| 10:03.37 | _L30_ | anyone here to help me |
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| 10:07.02 | vinny74 | Hellooooooooooo!!! |
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| 10:15.20 | wols | _L30_: in your menu.lst, the line startin # kopt |
| 10:15.30 | wols | then run update-grub |
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| 10:16.24 | _L30_ | yes wos again after i run update-grub it moves back to /de/hda1 |
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| 10:18.20 | _L30_ | wols kopt is commented |
| 10:18.39 | _L30_ | and im modifying root= of my kernel |
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| 10:19.49 | Jordan_U | _L30_: kopt is supposed to stay commented (it's not reall a comment, it's read by update-grub). |
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| 10:20.00 | Jordan_U | s/reall/really/ |
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| 10:21.55 | Jordan_U | Wonders why some people think that having these settings in comments-that-aren't-really-comments is less complicated than having them in /etc/default/grub with grub2 |
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| 10:27.32 | valium | hey all - looking for recommendatons for a backup suite. I currently use custom scripts but im looking for something a little more polished. any recommendations? |
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| 10:27.55 | fbh | valium: is free a requirement or will cheap do? |
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| 10:28.26 | valium | im looking at anything at the moment. The free versions of bacula and amand are very fiddly so i dont mind payingg |
| 10:28.42 | fbh | valium: Have a look at AhSay |
| 10:28.51 | valium | will do |
| 10:28.59 | valium | fbh - thanks |
| 10:29.10 | fbh | valium: It's pretty cheap and works great. Easy to get up both on clients and servers.. and the hostserver too |
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| 10:29.42 | Emery | does sid have, gnome 2.30 or gnome shell ? |
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| 10:30.37 | valium | fbh - looks great |
| 10:30.48 | LetoPoole | Emery: yes, both |
| 10:30.55 | LetoPoole | but the gnome-shell version is old |
| 10:31.07 | valium | fbh -- i love the power of IRC |
| 10:31.18 | Emery | so i'd have to build that from the gnome site ? |
| 10:31.27 | fbh | valium: Hehe, there are great info around |
| 10:31.46 | valium | fbh - i have been looking for a backup suite for over a year |
| 10:31.47 | _L30_ | thanks Jordan_U |
| 10:31.56 | _L30_ | well a n00b here :( |
| 10:31.57 | LetoPoole | Emery: You may, I think gnome makes it easy to compile its components |
| 10:32.02 | LetoPoole | and update theme |
| 10:32.06 | LetoPoole | them |
| 10:32.08 | Jordan_U | _L30_: You're welcome. |
| 10:32.15 | valium | fbh - i manage sooo many businesses and the backups give me restless nights sleep |
| 10:32.19 | Emery | LetoPoole: yeah, so gnome 2.30 is on sid ? |
| 10:32.29 | fbh | valium: I really like AhSay, it's based on java and tomcat in a package, it takes a little getting into it, but after that it works like a charm. |
| 10:32.47 | LetoPoole | Emery: and on Squeeze, few packages remaining |
| 10:32.58 | LetoPoole | Squeeze will ship gnome 2.30 |
| 10:33.01 | Emery | which should i go for squeeze or sid ? |
| 10:33.25 | fbh | valium: If you want to try setting up a client, PM me, and I'll make you an account to test on |
| 10:33.27 | LetoPoole | I'd say Squeeze, Sid is great, but has «surprising» days |
| 10:33.41 | Emery | i see |
| 10:33.48 | Emery | squeeze more staBLE :p |
| 10:33.49 | LetoPoole | Emery: anyway, to get Sid you first have to install Squeeze, and then dist-upgrade |
| 10:33.51 | valium | fbh - sounds great |
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| 10:34.25 | LetoPoole | Emery: yes, Squeeze is kinda more stable, actually, it is my stable enviroment. The unstable one is Archlinux :P |
| 10:34.43 | Emery | LetoPoole, is squeeze available as a small cd aswell ? |
| 10:34.52 | LetoPoole | netinstall?? |
| 10:34.55 | Emery | YESSS |
| 10:34.55 | LetoPoole | I guess so |
| 10:35.16 | LetoPoole | I always use a full cd, actually (broadcom card) but sure its available |
| 10:36.15 | LetoPoole | http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst |
| 10:36.31 | Emery | that's for stable |
| 10:36.34 | Emery | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 10:36.39 | Emery | no net install |
| 10:36.42 | Emery | jsut like 30 cds |
| 10:36.43 | Emery | lol |
| 10:36.48 | rudi_s | Emery: Just install stable and update to squeeze. |
| 10:36.56 | rudi_s | !teel Emery about lenny->squeeze |
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| 10:37.02 | rudi_s | The netinstall is enough. |
| 10:37.08 | rudi_s | !tell Emery about lenny->squeeze |
| 10:37.09 | Emery | bah |
| 10:37.14 | Emery | iu always brake it when i do that |
| 10:37.15 | Emery | lol |
| 10:37.36 | rudi_s | Well, then don't ;-) |
| 10:37.45 | Emery | noo |
| 10:37.48 | Emery | i want gnome 2.30 |
| 10:37.49 | Emery | :P |
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| 10:39.06 | LetoPoole | Emery: You only need the first cd for installation |
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| 10:39.40 | Emery | it's ok |
| 10:39.45 | Emery | i'll do a core install |
| 10:39.47 | Emery | then update |
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| 10:40.14 | LetoPoole | Emery: Enjoy! :) |
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| 10:42.46 | Emery | will do :P |
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| 11:00.33 | [Jasper] | hej guys, anyone here know something about rrdtool and graphing of them? |
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| 11:06.35 | Remmy | Hi all, my root partition keeps maxing out (I think it's /var that's taking too much space), how can I resize the partitions? |
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| 11:09.14 | cast | very carefully |
| 11:09.34 | cast | very easily with LVM :) |
| 11:09.35 | LetoPoole | nice tip :) |
| 11:09.56 | Remmy | Is ther a click-n-drool interface to lvm? |
| 11:09.59 | Remmy | there |
| 11:10.15 | cast | given the influx of windows users to gnu/linux, probably |
| 11:10.23 | cast | but i doubt you're using LVM |
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| 11:11.36 | Remmy | I am using lvm, not by choice though... may have been the default from the installer |
| 11:12.07 | cast | ahh, what file system? |
| 11:12.34 | Remmy | ext3 |
| 11:12.55 | Remmy | I'd like to shrink /home and grow / |
| 11:13.05 | cast | man lvm; man resize2fs |
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| 11:13.13 | Remmy | or perhaps even create a seperate /var |
| 11:13.14 | cast | you can't online shrink any linux file system |
| 11:13.29 | Remmy | Thanks, I 'll have a look at that |
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| 11:14.02 | cast | man lvresize if you have spare space in your volume group [vgdisplay] |
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| 11:14.15 | cast | otherwise you'll have to do a bit more than lvresize |
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| 11:21.16 | Emery | so if i want to install gnome 2.30 on squeeze, i only need to do apt-get install gnome ? |
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| 11:21.52 | Remmy | cast: system-config-lvm is the point and click I was looking for, thanks :) |
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| 11:22.42 | Cisnienie | which is recomm. distro of stablke debian I have stable with lenny 5 with 2.6.26 |
| 11:22.54 | Cisnienie | why I q. |
| 11:22.57 | Cisnienie | ? |
| 11:23.15 | lindi- | Cisnienie: q.? |
| 11:23.31 | Cisnienie | Live! cam vista IM not work properly |
| 11:23.37 | Cisnienie | on ov51x-jpeg |
| 11:23.39 | Cisnienie | and gspca |
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| 11:24.55 | Cisnienie | dmesg : don't detect second ID's sensor |
| 11:25.07 | Cisnienie | fialed with error -5 |
| 11:25.26 | Cisnienie | Live! cam vista IM Lsusb 041e:4064 |
| 11:26.07 | Cisnienie | 2 week googl-ing and ... |
| 11:26.11 | LetoPoole | Emery: yes. if you use the cd installer you will get gnome if u choose desktop-enviroment during isntalation |
| 11:26.28 | plazia | When i copy a file from my ext4 partition to my NTFS partitions the system periodically freezes up and throughput is a meagre 4 --- 8 MiB/s. Is anyone else having this problem and is there a solution? |
| 11:26.33 | LetoPoole | Emery: If you start from scratch, I recommend installing the metapackge gnome-core |
| 11:26.48 | LetoPoole | Emery: the metapackage gnome is waaaaaaaaay to bloated |
| 11:27.25 | Cisnienie | Whay you use ntfs? |
| 11:27.40 | Emery | LetoPoole will that core package be 2.30 though :P |
| 11:27.51 | Bushmills | Cisnienie: if the quality of your google searches matches that of your irc questions, I'm not surprised that using google doesn't give you any results. |
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| 11:28.20 | LetoPoole | Emery: :2.28+7 is the version, but it calls gnome 2.30 |
| 11:28.27 | LetoPoole | it's the fun Im running rightnow |
| 11:28.33 | LetoPoole | on Squeeze |
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| 11:28.48 | stonie | hi all |
| 11:28.48 | Cisnienie | Bushmills, I look for source to make a gspca_main and gspca_ov51 |
| 11:28.53 | Cisnienie | this solve the problem |
| 11:29.01 | stonie | i want to truncate or delete exactly <EOT> from any var .. how do i do this? |
| 11:29.02 | Cisnienie | Hi |
| 11:29.11 | Emery | LetoPoole i'll trust you on this one :P |
| 11:29.17 | LetoPoole | cheers |
| 11:29.20 | LetoPoole | :) |
| 11:29.40 | Emery | just installing my nvidia card ect atm |
| 11:30.23 | Emery | you know on boot, how do i make the text smaller, i know it's something to do with grub conf because i did it on slackware |
| 11:30.34 | LetoPoole | grub2¿? |
| 11:30.41 | Emery | uhm idk |
| 11:31.11 | LetoPoole | check if you have /etc/default/grub |
| 11:31.17 | LetoPoole | or do aptitude show grub |
| 11:31.20 | Bushmills | i googled, just for fun, and the source shows up as top hit |
| 11:31.21 | LetoPoole | and tellme |
| 11:31.36 | stonie | dont get it with tr or cut ... so please |
| 11:31.38 | Bushmills | me wonders how you could do two weeks over that |
| 11:32.09 | nsadmin | stonie: you mean you want to remove all ascii EOT chars? |
| 11:32.25 | stonie | i want to remove the string "<EOT>" |
| 11:32.51 | nsadmin | is that an xml tag? |
| 11:32.55 | Emery | nvm that for a sec, i'm getting an error ... i need kernel devel or kernel source |
| 11:33.04 | Emery | what is the eqivilent on debian ? |
| 11:33.08 | nsadmin | or something meaning end of text |
| 11:33.08 | LetoPoole | you need the -dev packages to comipile |
| 11:33.14 | stonie | no .. eg TVPN03311A12E0099asdfsadfEOT6ECA<EOT> to TVPN03311A12E0099asdfsadfEOT6ECA |
| 11:33.19 | Emery | kernel-dev ? |
| 11:33.19 | LetoPoole | search for (your package)-dev |
| 11:33.27 | LetoPoole | in debian this stuff is packaged separately |
| 11:33.37 | Emery | it's something to do with kernel dev packages |
| 11:33.41 | LetoPoole | well, that'll be headers |
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| 11:33.48 | nsadmin | oh, so if it's EOT it stays |
| 11:34.09 | LetoPoole | i linux-headers-2.6-amd64 - Header files for Linux 2.6-amd64 (meta-package) |
| 11:34.11 | LetoPoole | i linux-headers-2.6.32-3-amd64 - Header files for Linux 2.6.32-3-amd64 |
| 11:34.13 | LetoPoole | i A linux-headers-2.6.32-3-common - Common header files for Linux 2.6.32-3 |
| 11:34.19 | Emery | im x86 |
| 11:34.30 | LetoPoole | name of the package is the same |
| 11:34.37 | LetoPoole | just linux-headers |
| 11:34.39 | Emery | apt-get install linux-headers do it ? |
| 11:34.40 | Emery | lol |
| 11:34.57 | nsadmin | sed should do it |
| 11:35.09 | LetoPoole | seems you need to choose one in particular |
| 11:35.17 | stonie | ill sed it thx |
| 11:35.29 | LetoPoole | are you building the nvidia module from upstream sources, or a debian package |
| 11:35.31 | LetoPoole | =? |
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| 11:35.55 | Emery | it says my kernel is 2.6.26 |
| 11:36.02 | Emery | but the headers are 2.6.32 |
| 11:36.05 | Emery | D; |
| 11:36.24 | LetoPoole | seems you need to dist-upgrade after installation |
| 11:36.32 | LetoPoole | so you get the latest kernel |
| 11:36.42 | LetoPoole | check your sources.list to see whats your target distribution |
| 11:36.45 | Emery | yeah |
| 11:36.48 | Emery | i forget that |
| 11:36.50 | Emery | bit |
| 11:36.52 | Emery | forgot* |
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| 11:37.09 | Emery | my bad :P |
| 11:37.23 | LetoPoole | :) |
| 11:38.52 | Emery | ahh sorted |
| 11:38.53 | Emery | =] |
| 11:40.07 | Emery | sorry, i'm installing it from the nvidia driver |
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| 11:40.11 | Emery | from the nvidia site |
| 11:40.27 | Emery | not many distros have the 173 driver |
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| 11:40.50 | LetoPoole | pity, apt-get build-dep would have sorted all build-dependencies for the module |
| 11:41.03 | Bushmills | proprietary drivers don't go well with free distributions |
| 11:41.05 | Emery | well it's an old card |
| 11:42.02 | Emery | wondered why i couldnt use nvidia-xconfig, didnt install xorg |
| 11:42.07 | Emery | i should just go back to bed |
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| 11:43.01 | rysiek|pl | yello |
| 11:44.09 | Bushmills | bluew |
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| 11:46.35 | craigevil | Emery: 173xx is in Debian repos |
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| 11:47.34 | digifor | Does the debian lenny netinstaller install using grub or does it only use lilo? |
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| 11:48.11 | Emery | craigevil doesnt matter now installed the driver =] |
| 11:48.18 | rysiek|pl | I know nobody likes that, but here goes: |
| 11:48.49 | rysiek|pl | I need a wee bit of help with iptables, particularily with DNAT/SNAT - I am most probably missing something obvious |
| 11:49.18 | rysiek|pl | got a server A and server B, plus a desktop C on the same net |
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| 11:50.00 | rysiek|pl | got DNAT/SNAT set up on server A so that all traffic on, say, 6660/tcp gets forwarded to server B:16660/tcp |
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| 11:51.02 | rysiek|pl | no, when on desktop C, I can successfully connect to A:6660/tcp and have a nice conversation with B:16660/tcp through A |
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| 11:51.32 | kurkale6ka | Hello. I am using pidgin but it lacks some features (no history with <up> for ex). What other irc client could I use? |
| 11:51.39 | rysiek|pl | but! when on server A, nc localhost 6660 gives me: "Connection refused" |
| 11:51.58 | rysiek|pl | /and yes I do actually need that functionality |
| 11:52.07 | rysiek|pl | any ideas what might I be missing? |
| 11:52.43 | rysiek|pl | oh, and yes, the iptables rues have *no* interface (-i) specified, and no dst addr specified (so they're for 0.0.0.0/0 on any iface) |
| 11:53.41 | craigevil | kurkale6ka: xchat, konversation, irssi, quassel |
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| 11:54.26 | kurkale6ka | craigevil: yes, I liked very muck konversation but I am using gnome now |
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| 11:55.19 | craigevil | kurkale6ka: it works in gnome |
| 11:56.44 | kurkale6ka | craigevil: it works but I don't know if it is advisable to mix programs from both desktops... |
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| 11:58.08 | craigevil | kurkale6ka: its not a problem, you can use whatever apps work best for you |
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| 11:59.13 | kurkale6ka | craigevil: ok, thx, I will try then |
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| 12:02.13 | Emery | kurkale6ka try emesene |
| 12:02.22 | Emery | it's pretty lightweight and looks nice ;) |
| 12:03.16 | kurkale6ka | why not, I was also reading about irssi |
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| 12:03.41 | craigevil | isnt emesene for msn not irc? |
| 12:03.50 | Emery | oh |
| 12:03.51 | Emery | was it irc |
| 12:03.55 | piklu | Hello everybody...... |
| 12:03.59 | piklu | http://pve.proxmox.com/wiki/Main_Page |
| 12:04.01 | Emery | i wasnt really reading the conversation |
| 12:04.02 | Emery | lol |
| 12:04.07 | piklu | Is the above free for commercial use ? |
| 12:04.16 | piklu | Is so anybody having experience regarding using it ? |
| 12:04.49 | themill | !proxmox |
| 12:04.49 | dpkg | Proxmox Virtual Environment (Proxmox VE) is a GNU/Linux distribution <based on Debian>, providing a virtualization platform with <OpenVZ> and <KVM>. It is not supported in #debian. http://pve.proxmox.com/wiki/Get_support #proxmox on irc.freenode.net. |
| 12:04.59 | piklu | And offering KVM servers as a products is something people would want or not ?? |
| 12:05.30 | piklu | dpkg: no body in #proxmox. |
| 12:05.30 | dpkg | piklu: no idea |
| 12:05.34 | craigevil | kurkale6ka: irssi rocks and its easy to setup especially if you use http://www.matthew.ath.cx/programs/irssiconfig , http://quadpoint.org/articles/irssi |
| 12:05.47 | piklu | dpkg: I am just asking in general, as you all have a fair experience. |
| 12:05.47 | dpkg | piklu: no idea |
| 12:06.02 | piklu | I am facing problems with xen on centos |
| 12:06.10 | piklu | and i think i should migrate on this |
| 12:06.17 | piklu | do you have idea of KVM ? |
| 12:06.38 | kurkale6ka | craigevil: cool, I will check it |
| 12:07.09 | Emery | piklu dpkg is a bot lol |
| 12:07.24 | piklu | oh ok...so dumb of me. |
| 12:07.35 | piklu | !piklu |
| 12:07.51 | piklu | how does that works ?? |
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| 12:16.50 | djura-san | o/ |
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| 12:21.49 | MrFaint22 | good morning, does anybody would help me to setup microphone and make it to work and capture, it has worked once but stoped working, i am in a vbox virtual machine with debian lenny behind windows xp. thx. |
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| 12:27.37 | ajcc | How do I give users permission to access a USB scanner? Is there something in HAL for setting user permissions on one device, no mater when or how it's connected? |
| 12:28.22 | valdyn | ajcc: theres a scanner group |
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| 12:32.09 | ajcc | valdyn: that did the trick, thanks :) |
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| 12:33.19 | valdyn | suppose this should all go through polkit, one day, maybe |
| 12:33.33 | ajcc | polkit? |
| 12:33.42 | superlinux | i have a RAR file that I lost its password and I want to break it. is there a software on debian for it? |
| 12:33.53 | Emery | lol |
| 12:34.10 | NoPyGod | debian is a distribution of linux |
| 12:34.16 | valdyn | ajcc: implements access control lists used to access dbus |
| 12:34.24 | Emery | I don't think anyone in here is going to help with something like that, i know debian has tools for such things though, so google. |
| 12:34.37 | superlinux | NoPyGod, I have just said it. I know that it's a distro. |
| 12:34.50 | lindi- | superlinux: you can't uncompress most RAR archives at all |
| 12:34.53 | NoPyGod | no you didn't |
| 12:35.49 | superlinux | NoPyGod, as u like |
| 12:36.15 | NoPyGod | as with most software included with debian, it is not specifically designed FOR debian |
| 12:36.28 | NoPyGod | gnome, for instance, is used by a very large collection of distributions |
| 12:36.47 | NoPyGod | your question would be better directed at a general linux channel |
| 12:36.49 | valdyn | for all i know "crakcing" rar passwords is bruteforcing the password |
| 12:37.12 | valdyn | theres tools for that, but chances are they wont find your password at all |
| 12:38.12 | NoPyGod | what does the RAR contain |
| 12:38.28 | NoPyGod | pictures of your sister? |
| 12:38.32 | Vmanz | i hope so |
| 12:38.33 | Vmanz | ^^^ |
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| 12:39.08 | valdyn | more likely software packaged by some lame warez site |
| 12:39.13 | valdyn | and the password is domain.tld |
| 12:39.48 | ukl | Dear #debian, I'm confused by apt-pinning and /etc/apt/preferences.d/ -- I've created a file called 'my-pin.pref' in apt/preferences.d and checked with 'apt-cache policy', but it didn't seem to have any effect |
| 12:39.48 | NoPyGod | and if not |
| 12:39.53 | NoPyGod | then google the name of the archive |
| 12:39.56 | NoPyGod | and you might find the pass |
| 12:40.35 | valdyn | !pinning |
| 12:40.35 | dpkg | Pinning is a method to choose which version of a package to install when multiple versions are available from <sources.list>. Bugs are explained at http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/debian.html#errata . If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system, ask me about <backports> instead. http://wiki.debian.org/AptPreferences |
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| 12:42.04 | themill | ukl: can you pastebin your preferences and preferences.d files? |
| 12:42.53 | ukl | http://pastie.org/993768 apt/preferences doesn't exist |
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| 12:44.26 | rysiek|pl | guys, how do I check what options had the kernel been configured/compiled with? |
| 12:44.48 | valdyn | ukl: what is that pin supposed to accomplish? |
| 12:44.49 | themill | ukl: that "origin" line doesn't look right for dmm. And you normally don't really want or need to pin dmm. |
| 12:45.06 | themill | rysiek|pl: /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 12:45.16 | valdyn | themill: he is *lowering* the default 500 ? |
| 12:45.22 | rysiek|pl | themill: thanks |
| 12:45.23 | ukl | I wanted to grab just one package from dmm and have this one package updated whenever there's a new version |
| 12:45.50 | valdyn | ukl: you dont need to use pinning at all for that |
| 12:46.24 | valdyn | ukl: unless you are getting problems with packages that are in both repositories and you want to use the one with the lower version repo |
| 12:46.32 | ukl | but without pinning after enabling dmm, I get "these packages could be updated" notices but I don't want to mix all packages |
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| 12:46.58 | ukl | I want to "prefer debian packages over dmm, if the dmm packages were not installed manually" |
| 12:47.43 | valdyn | you need a huge priority distance to prefer the version that is acutally lower, unfortunately i forgot details |
| 12:47.55 | themill | no, 400 would be sufficient. |
| 12:48.17 | themill | ukl: yeah, for a couple of packages that can be a good idea. It would be nice if dmm would care more about abi compatability though. |
| 12:48.51 | themill | ukl: but as I said, the origin line is wrong. You should use the "o=" data from "apt-cache policy" for specifying the origin. |
| 12:49.01 | ukl | themill: thanks |
| 12:49.51 | ukl | now apt-cache policy looks better |
| 12:49.58 | themill | \o/ |
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| 12:51.29 | dexu | how i update my Debian OS ? |
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| 12:52.06 | ukl | themill: unfortunately, aptitude still lists 6 upgradable packages... |
| 12:52.08 | craigevil | rysiek|pl: look in /boot at the config for the kernel you are using |
| 12:52.20 | sansen | dexu, what ?? |
| 12:52.33 | themill | ukl: check apt-cache policy for each of those packages. |
| 12:52.36 | dexu | i whant that my debian to be up to date |
| 12:52.42 | dexu | how i do that? |
| 12:53.34 | ukl | themill: oh. uhm... forget it. Everything in its right place. (they're actually debian.org packages) |
| 12:53.58 | themill | ukl: thought that might be the case ;) |
| 12:54.59 | ukl | themill: uhm, no, somethings wrong |
| 12:55.05 | craigevil | dexu: aptitude update; aptitude safe-upgrade or aptitude full-upgrade |
| 12:55.41 | ukl | apt-cache policy marks debian.org's mplayer with ***, but aptitude wants to upgrade it to the dmm version |
| 12:55.44 | dexu | thanks craigevil |
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| 13:05.13 | henry-nicolas | Hello everybody, I would like to get your opinion about SMART monitoring in the case of RAID hardware. Is it still pertinent to do that kind of monitoring since the smartmontools will only see 1 drive (correct me if I'm wrong) while (in my case) there are 2 drives. |
| 13:06.02 | ukl | themill: this is strange. apt-get behaves as I want it; aptitude wants to update. |
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| 13:07.27 | themill | ukl: "/msg dpkg bat". There's lots more info you need to provide before anyone can help further. |
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| 13:12.52 | flixil | Hello, I'm trying to connect my iphone to a shared wifi internet connection from a debian box (kernel .2.6.32-3-686, driver b43, device bcm4318). The problem is that the only wifi device I got is the ipod, so I cannot use another computer to debug the sharing. I'm sharing on ad-hoc, trying to put the card on master mode fails with "Error for wireless request "Set Mode" (8B06)". The iphone detects the network but cannot connect. The d |
| 13:12.53 | flixil | istance between devices is short. I got the firmware for b43. Ideas? |
| 13:13.39 | ukl | themill: http://paste.debian.net/76348/ |
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| 13:19.07 | craigevil | ukl: whats wrong with just using the dmm packages? |
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| 13:19.52 | valdyn | henry-nicolas: your raid hardware has its own monitoring tools that should be using smart |
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| 13:20.55 | ukl | craigevil: I don't know exactly, it just felt like a possible source of error |
| 13:21.24 | valdyn | henry-nicolas: why though would you buy a raid controller for a 2 disk raid? |
| 13:21.43 | henry-nicolas | valdyn: Yeah ok, but if I'm using mpt for instance, it will only told me that one drive of my array is dead, it won't predict the death as I could have with smartmontools |
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| 13:22.19 | henry-nicolas | valdyn: raid controller is shipped by default and 2 drives are the basic configs, some of mine servers have 4 drivers, some 8 |
| 13:22.24 | valdyn | henry-nicolas: you should have thought of buying a raid controller with proper monitoring support |
| 13:22.25 | luminoso | hi. after a clean install of debian 5, upgrade to sid, upgrade to grub 2 i got error 15 at startup. any tips how to resolve? |
| 13:22.33 | luminoso | i just need a lead |
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| 13:24.11 | henry-nicolas | valdyn: I just saw that mpt-status can report warning conditions for a hard drive, I suppose this is some kind of smart status warning |
| 13:24.21 | valdyn | henry-nicolas: right |
| 13:24.24 | craigevil | ukl: havent noticed any issues with mplayer, smplayer,gnome-mplayer or vlc on sid using dmm packages |
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| 13:28.44 | codge | /SERVER LIST |
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| 13:32.07 | tbsaunde | luminoso: what does error 15 mean again? pretty sure the grub-doc package documents them, and of course google :-) |
| 13:33.00 | luminoso | i was just asking if there is some quick fix or something |
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| 13:37.27 | tbsaunde | luminoso: I don't know probably, but you need to know what the error is first |
| 13:39.31 | timahvo1 | Hi guys just finished installing debian lenny with the xfce4 desktop . Installed pidgin 2.5.5 but it doesn't seem to have the yahoo protocol supported . Is there something extra I need to install ? |
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| 13:41.00 | adb | timahvo1, ask bot about pidgin > /msg dpkg pidgin |
| 13:41.11 | timahvo1 | adb: thx |
| 13:41.16 | adb | np |
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| 13:47.43 | miasma | this isn't exactly debian related, but I'm not sure where to ask. I noticed that having 3 partitions on 3 sata2 disks (raid-0) seems slower than 2 partitions on the same 2 sata2 disks (raid-0). the disks are almost similar and all file system settings are mostly the same (partition size varies 50%). what might cause this? |
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| 13:48.30 | gigo | how to convert .MIDI file to .MP3 file? |
| 13:48.50 | miasma | dd if=/dev/zero of=foo gives about 140 MB/s per disk, 240 MB/s on 2-disk raid-0 and 190 MB/s on 3-disk raid-0 |
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| 13:51.33 | Emery | having abit of trouble with my Belkin ralink RT2573, anyone know which drivers i need? |
| 13:51.47 | [Jasper] | hej guys, can anyone tell me why /etc/crontab is difernet for every server |
| 13:51.48 | [Jasper] | the times? |
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| 13:52.13 | lindi- | gigo: debian can only convert MIDI to WAV or OGG |
| 13:52.29 | gigo | ok, how to convert .midi to .wav then? |
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| 13:52.50 | xelister | when I written a start/stop script in /etc/init.d/foo (it's a symlink to a shell script that accepts "start" "stop" etc) then what is the correct way to make it start (execute with "start") on boot? it should execute late, like around S90. Would be nice if it would also auto-stop then |
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| 13:53.08 | jpinx-eeepc | someone was talking about converting media formats the other day in here |
| 13:53.18 | lindi- | gigo: run the command "timidity -Ow -o foo.wav foo.mid" assuming your MIDI file is named "foo.mid" |
| 13:53.19 | jpinx-eeepc | can't remember who though |
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| 13:53.47 | gigo | lindi-, why the RIFF wave format using -Ow? how did you figure which format to use? |
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| 13:54.13 | lindi- | gigo: because that's what I used last time and it worked :) |
| 13:54.31 | lindi- | gigo: made my ringtone for openmoko with it: http://iki.fi/lindi/openmoko/ringtone/ |
| 13:56.02 | xelister | how exactly to use update-rc.d to have my program /etc/init.d/foo to "start" at end of booting, and "stop" at begini of shutdown or something? |
| 13:56.18 | [Jasper] | anyone? |
| 13:56.53 | gigo | now, how to convert .wav to .mp3? lame? |
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| 13:57.22 | wols | gigo: lame from dmm |
| 13:57.28 | gigo | what's dmm? |
| 13:57.49 | gangil | HI , I just installed debian 5 on my vmplayer , and during the last option I opted not to install GRUB ( I feel I did a mistake) |
| 13:58.00 | gangil | Now when I boot it a blank screen appears |
| 13:58.12 | gangil | with a cursor (not blinking) |
| 13:58.15 | jpinx-eeepc | gigo: debian multi media |
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| 13:58.21 | gangil | and it responds to nothing |
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| 13:58.40 | LetoPoole | gangil: try chrooting from a live-cd to recover the boot |
| 13:58.46 | gigo | gangil, you can boot your vmplayer again with the debian dvd as boot drive and skip everything and go to grub phase and install grub. it's easy to fix. |
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| 13:59.02 | LetoPoole | vm, sorry |
| 13:59.05 | LetoPoole | :) |
| 13:59.10 | wols | !tell gangil about grub reinstall |
| 13:59.20 | gangil | gigo : I have an iso , no cd or dvd |
| 13:59.40 | gigo | gangil, whatever it is. you can boot your vm with it again just like you booted while installing debian into your vm. |
| 13:59.56 | gigo | !tell me about grub reinstall |
| 14:00.11 | gigo | <dpkg> i dunno what is 'grub reinstall'. |
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| 14:01.17 | grepper | hi all. I just copied files over from my ide drive to my new sata drive and I imagine I need to rerun mkinitrd to use the same debian kernel on the HD when I switch to it ? What procedure would I follow ? Old /boot is on hdb3, new will be on sda1 |
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| 14:01.33 | wols | !tell gangil about reinstall grub |
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| 14:01.56 | gangil | wols: got the message |
| 14:02.08 | wols | grepper: you need to dpkg-reconfigure <our kernel package |
| 14:02.29 | wols | grepper: and fix the menu.lst and fstab |
| 14:03.20 | grepper | but I want to keep the kernel on this disk (hda) intact as a recovery for now |
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| 14:03.29 | grepper | would I chroot to do that then ? |
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| 14:03.59 | grepper | wols: as far as the dpkg-reconfigure that is |
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| 14:05.33 | jarlaxe1 | hi everyone, can somebody patch me a basic /etc/inittac please ? |
| 14:05.53 | jarlaxe1 | a /etc/inittab |
| 14:06.30 | luminoso | is /etc/mtab re-generated every boot? |
| 14:06.57 | gangil | wols , gigo : This is the my sceenshot , I am unable to restart the vmplayer , please help what to do |
| 14:07.00 | gangil | http://imagebin.org/100138 |
| 14:07.39 | gigo | gangil, when you installed debian, how did you ask vmplayer to use the .iso file to install it? |
| 14:09.05 | gangil | I chose "Create a new Virual machine " and it asked me for a cd or iso |
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| 14:10.24 | gigo | ok, now you might want to click one of those icons at the bottom and select a .ISO file as a CD |
| 14:10.30 | wols | !vmware |
| 14:10.30 | dpkg | VMware isn't part of Debian, therefore it's not supported, ask me about <vmware support>. VMware is not in Debian because it is not Free software; even though you might be able to download it for no cost, the source code is not available for some parts and Debian is not allowed to distribute it, see <dfsg>. http://wiki.debian.org/VMware . See also <virtualization>. #vmware on irc.freenode.net. |
| 14:11.20 | gigo | gangil, once you specify that, you can reboot your VM and it will start installing Debian again. when it does so, in the first step when it asks for input, press <Esc> and it will show you a menu. Using the menu, you can skip directly to GRUB step and install grub. |
| 14:12.07 | grepper | am I right that if I have one ide and one sata disk, the ide is hd0 and the sata is hd1 wrt grub ? Or is that bios dependant ? |
| 14:13.48 | dvs | grepper: I think that's BIOS dependent |
| 14:14.15 | grepper | I wonder how its determined .... boot order perhaps ? |
| 14:14.39 | dvs | grepper: why do you need to know? |
| 14:14.49 | grepper | gotta change menu.lst |
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| 14:15.41 | dvs | grepper: if you use "LABEL" or "UUID", you don't have to change the entries after this time. |
| 14:16.10 | grepper | okay, thanks, I'll look into that |
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| 14:16.44 | grepper | someday I'll change grub to the new sata drive, but for now its fine on the ide drive |
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| 14:17.33 | grepper | not sure how that would work actually, I assume I'd have to remove it from the ide drive if that is seen as the 1st boot device, if I want it installed to the sata |
| 14:19.04 | dvs | grepper: if you use the LABEL or UUID, it doesn't matter which drive is "first". GRUB will just find the LABEL or UUID you indicated and boot from that. |
| 14:19.37 | grepper | yes, I understand that. I was talking about installing the bootloader to the mbr |
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| 14:19.55 | dvs | oh ok. |
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| 14:20.32 | dvs | grepper: you can install the MBR to both if you want. That's what I've done. |
| 14:20.46 | grepper | chainloading ? |
| 14:20.48 | dvs | In case Windows decides to mess with the MBR |
| 14:20.53 | grepper | ah |
| 14:21.08 | grepper | well, I don't have windows so that complication is not there |
| 14:21.15 | dvs | No chainloading. I use the BIOS to decide which drive to boot from. |
| 14:21.23 | grepper | I see |
| 14:21.25 | dvs | In case of emergencies |
| 14:21.46 | dima202 | Does it matter to google rank if I host my website in the UK but I am focusing on US market? going from shred crappy hosting to dedicated host with 1 ip per domain |
| 14:21.48 | grepper | heh, well, time to bite the bullet and see if this boots |
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| 14:48.53 | NoPyGod | this might be the wrong place to ask, but i understand ubuntu is actually based on debian, and my question is - what actually makes ubuntu unique? what is it that makes ubuntu NOT debian |
| 14:49.59 | jhutchins | NoPyGod: Basically Ubuntu takes the Debian source packages and then tweaks and adjusts the settings and defaults to their own whims. They tend to use pre-stable versions of the packages and concentrate on NEW!! SHINEY!!! instead of stable, functional. |
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| 14:50.31 | jhutchins | NoPyGod: They also tweak or add to the User Interface so it has their own style, but that means it doesn't work quite the way Debian does. |
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| 14:51.30 | jhutchins | NoPyGod: To a lesser extent, it's the same as how Debian uses the same "upstream" sources as Linux from Scratch or Red Hat, but isn't much like either. |
| 14:51.56 | taras | what package should I install in lenny, that I had manpages like strcmp in section 3? |
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| 14:52.15 | asg | taras: manpages-dev iirc |
| 14:52.24 | Kamping_Kaiser | asg: sounds right |
| 14:53.32 | Kamping_Kaiser | jhutchins: iirc 20-30% of ubuntu main is new (not in ebian/repackaged from debian), and 75% (minus hte first figure) is modified from debian |
| 14:53.42 | Kamping_Kaiser | don't know if thats another reason you can add to your list, but its interesting ;) |
| 14:53.56 | asg | NoPyGod: additionally, security support for non-main packages is best-effort in Ubuntu. |
| 14:54.15 | Pikratos | Ubuntu is not also related to Knoppix too? |
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| 14:59.43 | NoPyGod | thanks for the answers, i was afk |
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| 15:12.10 | mgiammarco__ | hello I am trying with debian testing to enable bonding using the tutorial from official documentation but without luck |
| 15:12.28 | mgiammarco__ | can someone give me a working tutorial? or is it a debian testing bug? |
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| 15:19.09 | toogreen | hi there |
| 15:19.40 | toogreen | question: I want to reinstall one of my fileservers tomorrow |
| 15:19.56 | toogreen | its now on Ubuntu, but i prefer run it on Debian |
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| 15:20.52 | toogreen | so should i use the CD/DVD 1, or the netinst CD for installation? I want to save as much time as possible as downtime must be lowest possible |
| 15:21.12 | Kamping_Kaiser | netinst |
| 15:21.19 | toogreen | I guess that most of the packages I need (Samba/NFS) are all included in Cd1, no? |
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| 15:21.46 | kidaz | hi all |
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| 15:22.04 | Kamping_Kaiser | not sure, but if the aim is to minimise the download use netinst |
| 15:22.18 | Kamping_Kaiser | cd 1 includes a full gui userland |
| 15:22.23 | toogreen | Kamping_Kaiser: so you reckon it is faster to download these packages than use CD1 or DVD1? |
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| 15:23.01 | toogreen | I don't want GUI, i want as little as possible |
| 15:23.02 | toogreen | kernel+NFS+Samba, basically |
| 15:23.38 | Kamping_Kaiser | i can only say this a limited number of times before i start repeating myself ... use. the. netinst. image. |
| 15:23.52 | toogreen | Doesn't the CD1 or DVD1 include all these packages already? |
| 15:24.06 | wols | toogreen: netinst, don't install anything from tasksel and disable recommends |
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| 15:24.36 | wols | toogreen: why download 700MB if 250MB are enough? |
| 15:24.42 | toogreen | ok, fine... Just thought it would save time not having to download packages |
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| 15:25.03 | wols | you DOWNLOAD he first cd... |
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| 15:25.41 | themill | you can download the cd or dvd without taking down the server, however. |
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| 15:26.00 | toogreen | wols: I already have the CDs downloaded and burned, so its not a problem, i was just wondering if the CD1 or DVD1 had the packages i need already built in... if so i thought i could save time not having to download them from the net at installation |
| 15:26.29 | mentor | It depends on the packages you need |
| 15:26.41 | wols | toogreen: you do not want to install ANYTHING when in the installer |
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| 15:27.27 | mentor | The archive was bigger than a single DVD last time I actually checked the size, and that was years ago |
| 15:27.51 | themill | heh... squeeze is pushing 8 or 9 dvds, isn't it? |
| 15:28.00 | toogreen | mentor: oh yeah the archive is huge! |
| 15:28.21 | toogreen | thats why i was wondering if the first Cd contains basic stuff like NFS and Samba |
| 15:28.30 | wols | themill: what???? why isn't debian+1 150% the size of debian? |
| 15:28.31 | zinx | uhm |
| 15:28.37 | wols | debian is dying! |
| 15:28.38 | zinx | yeah, the archive is a ton of DVDs |
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| 15:28.50 | zinx | but no one needs all of it :/ |
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| 15:29.12 | lindi- | toogreen: you can check what it contains |
| 15:29.21 | themill | wols: sorry, "7 or 8" for squeeze, http://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2010/06/msg00004.html |
| 15:29.51 | mentor | toogreen: There's a list somewhere of what it contains. I think it's probably desktop stuff; there were perennial arguments about it. |
| 15:30.03 | toogreen | ok |
| 15:30.08 | themill | !cd contents |
| 15:30.08 | dpkg | To find out what is on what disk, use the searchable index at http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/#search or download the .jigdo template from the same location and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the disk. |
| 15:30.11 | wols | !popcon |
| 15:30.11 | dpkg | i heard popcon is the Debian Popularity contest, the basis for what packages appear on the first few CDs/DVDs etc (by rank). Install the popularity-contest package to participate. See the results at http://popcon.debian.org/ -- See the FAQ at http://popcon.debian.org/FAQ |
| 15:30.21 | wols | that determines what goes in |
| 15:30.38 | toogreen | ok cool, thanks for that info |
| 15:31.06 | mentor | toogreen: What are you using the computer for? |
| 15:31.33 | toogreen | mentor: fileserver, that's it! |
| 15:31.40 | toogreen | NFS+Samba |
| 15:32.03 | toogreen | I use NFS on the Linux machines, and Samba for those who insist on using Windows |
| 15:32.06 | mentor | toogreen: I would guess that unless you're at the end of dial up, you'd spend more time switching CDs than downloading. |
| 15:32.25 | wols | toogreen: you do not want to use tasksel. but since you are so ignorant, I will stop now. good luck |
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| 15:32.41 | mentor | wols: ... |
| 15:32.55 | toogreen | LOL |
| 15:33.06 | toogreen | I will simply ignore wols last comment |
| 15:33.09 | mentor | wols: Don't do that. |
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| 15:33.29 | wols | mentor: people who ignore others are ignorant. it's definition |
| 15:33.38 | toogreen | mentor: anyway yeah I guess netinst will bake things faster after all |
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| 15:33.50 | toogreen | make not bake |
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| 15:34.05 | toogreen | damn, IRC when slightly drunk isn't a good idea |
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| 15:34.24 | mentor | wols: Also, no, that's not what that word means |
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| 15:35.34 | toogreen | oh my. :-/ |
| 15:35.40 | toogreen | kids these days |
| 15:35.53 | toogreen | anyways, have any1 here tried putting debian on a USB key |
| 15:36.06 | mentor | A live system, or installing? |
| 15:36.10 | badcloud | toogreen: sure, ubuntu 9.10 |
| 15:36.17 | badcloud | works fine |
| 15:36.19 | zinx | erh, ubuntu isn't Debian |
| 15:36.25 | toogreen | just regular installer, or netinst |
| 15:36.34 | mentor | toogreen: There are instructions in the install guide |
| 15:36.36 | toogreen | i just don't have any CD-Rs here now |
| 15:36.39 | mentor | !install guide |
| 15:36.40 | dpkg | The Debian Installation Guide for Lenny (5.0.4) can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/installmanual . See also <errata> and <installer firmware>. |
| 15:36.40 | kidaz_ | dangit crash. |
| 15:36.40 | zinx | toogreen: i believe there's instructions in the install guide for that |
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| 15:36.59 | toogreen | ok will check it out thanks |
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| 15:36.59 | badcloud | zinx: it's based *on* debian |
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| 15:37.05 | badcloud | not close enough? |
| 15:37.09 | zinx | badcloud: not by a long shot |
| 15:37.17 | badcloud | zinx: ok then |
| 15:37.49 | zinx | badcloud: though there is some sharing between the projects, Ubuntu is very different from Debian |
| 15:38.18 | zinx | badcloud: enough that 90% of the advice we'd give here doesn't apply to it, and vice versa :/ |
| 15:38.26 | badcloud | zinx: hmmm, never knew that |
| 15:38.30 | badcloud | thanks |
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| 15:50.24 | kidaz_ | I have grub installed to /dev/md0 i.e. /boot (which i figured is useless cos grub doesnt know about md0). Using a pendrive linux, how do I install the same GRUB to the MBR on both disks (i.e.. same kernel)?? |
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| 15:52.18 | frostschutz | kidaz_: if it's md, put it on md |
| 15:52.39 | frostschutz | kidaz_: with raid superblock 0.9 there is no problem it'll look just like a normal partition to the non md aware |
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| 15:52.58 | frostschutz | kidaz_: for raid 1 that is |
| 15:53.07 | kidaz_ | frostschutz: i have raid1 |
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| 15:54.14 | kidaz_ | frostschutz: the problem is that ive just installed a fresh debian, installing grub to /dev/md0 i.e. /boot which is bootable.... however grub from previous install comes up on boot... i think it must be using hte MBR? |
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| 15:55.04 | frostschutz | that would be the mdr then |
| 15:55.37 | kidaz_ | frostschutz: mdr? |
| 15:55.41 | frostschutz | mbr |
| 15:55.46 | frostschutz | stupid md |
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| 15:56.40 | linduxed | i found a very specific version of a package that i need on this page http://packages.debian.org/sid/utils/unison |
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| 15:56.45 | frostschutz | kidaz_: you could dd the mbr over or you could install grub manually on both disks if that is what you want |
| 15:56.48 | linduxed | i need to install it some how |
| 15:56.48 | kidaz_ | frostschutz: so should i just delete my MBRs? |
| 15:56.56 | linduxed | 2.32.52-1 specifically |
| 15:57.13 | linduxed | how would i go about doing that on a lenny server? |
| 15:57.28 | frostschutz | kidaz_: probably have to umount md0, mount sda1 to /boot when you install grub on sda, and same thing for sdb |
| 15:57.39 | frostschutz | kidaz_: not sure how I did it on my raid 1 setup... ;) |
| 15:57.56 | jan | am i able to install firefox-addons in iceweasel |
| 15:58.08 | jan | ? |
| 15:58.08 | frostschutz | linduxed: download the deb, install it with dpkg? |
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| 15:59.13 | linduxed | frostschutz: i dont see a download link, isnt there some magic way of doing it with sources.list? |
| 15:59.14 | kidaz_ | how do i dd over the mbr? |
| 15:59.32 | kidaz_ | frostschutz: how do i dd over the mbr.... ;s |
| 16:00.18 | frostschutz | kidaz_: better use grub to write the mbr directly ;) |
| 16:01.02 | kidaz_ | frostschutz: how do i do that? sorry for being a bit thick. |
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| 16:02.34 | frostschutz | kidaz_: with grub1, you run grub, then try setup /dev/sda /dev/sda1 (if sda is your first disk, and sda1 is the boot partition on the first disk) |
| 16:03.35 | kidaz_ | frostschutz: do i have to run that from within the installed debian or will a livecd work the same? |
| 16:04.23 | jan | i would like to install adblock on my iceweasel |
| 16:04.35 | jan | but it did not work |
| 16:04.40 | frostschutz | kidaz_: I could be wrong though, not sure if setup tries to actually install grub files to /boot or not |
| 16:05.03 | frostschutz | kidaz_: that's what you get for installing grub years ago and never changing it :P I don't remember |
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| 16:05.42 | frostschutz | kidaz_: you can chroot from a live cd, and use debians grub from there |
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| 16:07.37 | kidaz_ | frostschutz: ill try that |
| 16:07.51 | noob___ | Hello! I'm installing Debian 5 Lenny from a netinst CD-ROM. I am trying to install KDE with it and I tried to do that using the Advanced Options > Alternative Desktop Managers < KDE < Grapichal Installation and the installation went fine. |
| 16:08.14 | noob___ | When I rebooted my computer, the kernel started with no KDE. |
| 16:08.22 | noob___ | Even when entering startx, nothing happens. |
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| 16:09.53 | noob__ | With 987 members, is there nobody that can help me? |
| 16:11.03 | rudi_s | noob__: You have to wait longer than 2 minutes in IRC .. just wait a while (half an hour or so) and you should get your answer, if not, try search a little on your own and then ask again. |
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| 16:11.57 | rudi_s | noob__: Sure nothing happens? No warning/error message? |
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| 16:16.09 | craigevil | jan: if you are running stable update iceweasel to the version in backports, you can also try using the adblock-plus package in the debian repo |
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| 16:17.48 | phre | anyone know an editor for open HEX binary file ? |
| 16:17.50 | phre | hi |
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| 16:36.18 | lindi- | emacs too |
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| 16:51.25 | _Dave123_ | i have to insert into a table per region some countries, like - insert into regions values('', 'europe', 'spain', 'someval', 'otherval') |
| 16:51.29 | _Dave123_ | in stead of writing per continent like 50 queries (all the countries) i would like to have a script that prepares all these insert statements (i have all the countries in one string comma seperated) - what would be good to make this script in? |
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| 16:56.55 | Bushmills | you want to write a script which generates another script? about any script languages which can process text should do. bash for example. |
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| 17:16.07 | gangil | hi , I have migrated from ubuntu to debain recently , what's the analogous of sudo in debian? |
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| 17:17.20 | xand | gangil: you can use sudo or you can use su - |
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| 17:17.44 | xand | (you could login as root but it's not recommended for most tasks) |
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| 17:17.53 | gangil | xand: I typed sudo apt-get install subversion , and it said sudo command not found |
| 17:18.00 | zinx | gangil: install it |
| 17:18.14 | xand | su -, enter root password |
| 17:18.16 | zinx | you'll need to use 'su' to get root to be able to install it:/ |
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| 17:21.09 | gangil | thanks :) |
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| 17:27.24 | jhutchins_lt | gangil: Make sure you always use the - after su. |
| 17:27.50 | jhutchins_lt | gangil: You can set sudo up to work the way it does in Ubuntu, but most people just go ahead and use su -. |
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| 17:28.30 | LetoPoole | jhutchins_lt: don't you need sudo in the end for a DE? not all apps use policykit |
| 17:28.33 | LetoPoole | ¿? |
| 17:28.53 | djura-san | im off. have a nice day people o/ |
| 17:29.46 | hayleyw | LetoPoole, no |
| 17:29.54 | jhutchins_lt | LetoPoole: Most people dont' seem to use it. It does seem to be installed by default, but instead of the admin group that *buntu uses, it uses the "sudo" group, and doesn't add users to that group by default. |
| 17:30.43 | LetoPoole | ok :) |
| 17:32.44 | AmberJ | Are there any problems with mouse pointer being NOT captured inside a VM in virtualbox in debian lenny? |
| 17:33.02 | AmberJ | Or, does it has to do with me using dwm? |
| 17:33.20 | AmberJ | Except this, virtualbox is working fine |
| 17:33.24 | AmberJ | .window 34 |
| 17:33.26 | craigevil | AmberJ: check the BTS |
| 17:33.43 | jhutchins_lt | zinx: So it's just a matter of adding users to the group since it's already installed. |
| 17:34.19 | AmberJ | craigevil: you mean debian BTS? |
| 17:34.25 | craigevil | yes |
| 17:34.34 | jhutchins_lt | AmberJ: That's usually a matter of the guest OS not handling switching the mouse away properly. |
| 17:35.07 | jhutchins_lt | AmberJ: Debian's running as host, windows as guest? |
| 17:35.46 | AmberJ | jhutchins_lt: debian lenny as host, crunchbang linux 9.04 (based on ubuntu 9.04) as guest |
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| 17:36.00 | flypp | AmberJ, do you have the virtual box guest additions properly installed? |
| 17:36.03 | darkstego | has a solution been reached for the slow USB copy speeds with big files? |
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| 17:36.32 | zinx | darkstego: get a faster USB drive |
| 17:36.41 | darkstego | I mean it stalls |
| 17:36.44 | darkstego | on linux |
| 17:36.48 | zinx | darkstego: get a USB cable that isn't broken |
| 17:36.53 | AmberJ | flypp: Are guest additions needed for mouse capturing too? |
| 17:36.56 | darkstego | usb cable is fine |
| 17:37.00 | zinx | darkstego: afaik, no such issues are known. |
| 17:37.03 | darkstego | its a software thing |
| 17:37.07 | AmberJ | flypp: nevermind. let me install and try guest addtions first |
| 17:37.10 | darkstego | it would go well |
| 17:37.16 | darkstego | then freeze for a minutes |
| 17:37.17 | AmberJ | will be back with updates soon |
| 17:37.19 | darkstego | then continute |
| 17:37.23 | zinx | darkstego: afaik, no such issues are known. |
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| 17:41.59 | jhutchins_lt | darkstego: USB 1 or 2? |
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| 17:42.26 | darkstego | usb2 |
| 17:44.25 | gangil | one more thing , when I do sudo apt-get install subversion , it says that it depends on libsvn1 , which is uninstallable on this ? How to overcome this ? |
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| 17:47.38 | AmberJ | flypp: installing guest additions does *not* solves the problem |
| 17:48.03 | gangil | zinx : ^ |
| 17:48.06 | AmberJ | I must tell that I setup debian from minimal netinst in case it helps |
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| 17:48.48 | gps23 | AmberJ: check if mouse support is not disabled for the VM |
| 17:48.49 | AmberJ | No matter what OS I run as a guest, mouse refuses to be captured/used inside guest OS |
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| 17:51.17 | Xunie | W: Failed to fetch http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/Release Unable to find expected entry contrb/binary-amd64/Packages in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?) |
| 17:51.26 | Xunie | Anyone getting that error too running apt-get update? |
| 17:52.29 | tbsaunde | Xunie: apt-get update? is your connection bad / down? |
| 17:52.48 | AmberJ | gps23: the virtualbox version that I got from official repos is 1.6.6....maybe I should try installing a newer version first....what do you say? |
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| 17:53.23 | gps23 | AmberJ: no, the present version should work too, still nothing bad is trying |
| 17:53.36 | gps23 | AmberJ: purge current version first, so that its files don't mess with new version |
| 17:54.07 | chicolo | hey all. I get "Error 23: error while parsing number" upon booting my new debian RAID1 system. im stuck |
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| 17:58.01 | gps23 | AmberJ: ask in #virtualbox, they might help you more |
| 17:58.53 | AmberJ | ok thanks gps23 and everyone |
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| 17:59.18 | grand_grunt | I'm trying to install Debian from CD-ROM on a Sun Fire V100 (Sparc V9), and get random halts at different moments of install |
| 17:59.46 | grand_grunt | No halts: freezes. Can only get back to LOM, console is freezed, as if serial wire where broken |
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| 18:00.40 | grand_grunt | Freezes happen at some different times, allways the same: right after selecting country, or detecting CDROM, or detecting hard drive.. |
| 18:00.55 | grand_grunt | I'm puzzled, can't figure where it may come from |
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| 18:03.53 | gps23 | grand_grunt: during install try to switch to tty2 to see if any message/error is coming on the console |
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| 18:05.12 | piklu | yeppy yeppy |
| 18:05.13 | piklu | debian |
| 18:05.14 | piklu | yeppy |
| 18:05.34 | grand_grunt | gps23: I got console and lom on the same serial, do you mean "console on a serial, and install on the other one"? Is that possible? |
| 18:05.36 | gangil | I just installed debian 5 , and epiphany is not working it says : "Could not Launch Application" Failed to execute chils process "apiphany-browser" ( no such file or directory ) " any help ?? |
| 18:06.26 | simonrvn | uh, it's "ep" not "ap" |
| 18:07.06 | gangil | ok , epiphany |
| 18:07.18 | simonrvn | is it installed? |
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| 18:07.25 | piklu | debian........ueppy |
| 18:07.27 | piklu | yeppy |
| 18:07.29 | simonrvn | are you mixing debian versions? |
| 18:07.30 | gps23 | grand_grunt: during installation, on tty1 we do the installation, chose options etc and tty2 during that time shows messages,commands that are running etc. atleast on my x86 system it happens |
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| 18:07.49 | gangil | simonrvn: don't know , when I clicking on the link it shows this message in a window |
| 18:07.55 | Xunie | tbsaunde, gets bad at times, like the weather, but not down. |
| 18:08.20 | simonrvn | dpkg -l epiphany-browser; cat /etc/debian_version; and pastebin that |
| 18:08.20 | dpkg | No packages found matching epiphany-browser; cat /etc/debian_version; and pastebin that |
| 18:08.37 | grand_grunt | :] |
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| 18:09.27 | gangil | simonrvn: 5.0.4 |
| 18:09.29 | grand_grunt | gps23: hu, yes, but I'm using serial port, no keyboard/screen |
| 18:09.51 | simonrvn | that's not what i asked |
| 18:10.02 | gps23 | grand_grunt: then i have no idea. sorry |
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| 18:11.19 | epsas | opera crashes my xserver |
| 18:11.25 | epsas | really weird |
| 18:11.44 | simonrvn | try #opera |
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| 18:12.58 | gangil | simonrvn: is there something like synaptic in debian ? |
| 18:13.09 | lindi- | gangil: synaptic is a debian package |
| 18:13.25 | grand_grunt | gangil: there _is_ synaptic on Debian, just install it |
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| 18:13.39 | lindi- | gangil: added to debian in 2002 |
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| 18:16.02 | simonrvn | taps his foot, waiting for gangil to respond... |
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| 18:17.35 | gangil | simonrvn: I am in a fix , how do I pastebin you the output , it's running on a vmplayer , and I am on irc on windows , I can't copy paste it from vmplayer to windows . And no browser is working on debian |
| 18:18.27 | simonrvn | gangil: so type out the single line that the dpkg -l epiphany-browser gave |
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| 18:19.21 | gangil | Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold |
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| 18:20.13 | gangil | | Status=Not/Inst/Cfg-files/Unpacked/failed-Cfg/Half-inst/trig-aWait/Trig-pend |
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| 18:20.25 | zer0x | is noatime a valid option for ext2? |
| 18:20.39 | zinx | yes |
| 18:20.43 | zinx | along with nodiratime |
| 18:21.06 | zer0x | zinx: ah great, cheers :) |
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| 18:22.32 | simonrvn | gangil: the actual line with epiphany-browser on it, not the header stuff |
| 18:22.56 | gangil | ok , here it is |
| 18:23.25 | gangil | un epiphany-brows <none> (no description available) |
| 18:23.54 | gangil | as under "Name" "Version" "Description" coloumns |
| 18:24.07 | simonrvn | so it's *not* installed |
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| 18:24.33 | simonrvn | so install it ;) |
| 18:26.02 | zer0x | is it possible/safe to remount the (rw) / filesystem, and will that use the options from fstab? |
| 18:26.36 | lindi- | zer0x: depends on what command you use? |
| 18:26.40 | Xunie | Okay, I'm having serious problems, I can't install my nvidia drivers on my amd64 lenny installation. |
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| 18:27.08 | gangil | simonrvn: I also seem to have some problems with my sources.lst , no matter what package I try to install apt-get install <package> I get the following output http://pastie.org/994051 |
| 18:27.16 | gangil | synaptic in this case |
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| 18:27.53 | simonrvn | pastebin your sources.list |
| 18:28.03 | Xunie | nvidia-glx needs nvidia-kernel-2.6.26-2-amd6, but that one needs nvidia-kernel-common which doesn't exist in my repo. |
| 18:28.04 | zer0x | lindi-: I was just going to use the -o remount on 'mount'.. I am tempted just to reboot with the modified fstab though! |
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| 18:29.13 | Xunie | I have main contrib and non-free in /etc/apt/sources.list for http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ and http://security.debian.org/ and http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile yet I can't install nvidia-glx! |
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| 18:29.16 | Xunie | What am I doing wrong? |
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| 18:30.01 | gps23 | Xunie: today i installed nvidia driver on my amd64 machine by following this guide: http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 18:30.12 | Xunie | Are you running 64? |
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| 18:30.37 | gps23 | Xunie: debian amd64 version |
| 18:30.59 | gps23 | Xunie: just follow the guide step by step and you'll be good |
| 18:30.59 | Xunie | Thanks. |
| 18:31.03 | gangil | simonrvn: I can't , can you do that , I will just write all the sources over to my sources.lst |
| 18:31.11 | Xunie | E: Package nvidia-kernel-common has no installation candidate |
| 18:31.14 | Xunie | Well, apparently, I can't. |
| 18:31.20 | simonrvn | !sources.list |
| 18:31.20 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian lenny main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <lenny security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 18:31.28 | simonrvn | gangil: ^^^ |
| 18:31.58 | simonrvn | gangil: don't forget volatile |
| 18:32.03 | simonrvn | !volatile |
| 18:32.03 | dpkg | Debian Volatile is a project that aims at keeping the <stable> and <oldstable> distributions up to date for fast moving packages such as virus scanners, spam scanners and firmware downloaders. http://www.debian.org/volatile/ An example line for your lenny sources.list is: deb http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile lenny/volatile main contrib non-free See also <volatile mirrors>. |
| 18:32.05 | gps23 | Xunie: pastebin your sources.list |
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| 18:34.54 | Xunie | gps23, http://pastebin.com/vVLkNFgZ |
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| 18:36.56 | gps23 | Xunie: i think the correct spelling is contrib, change contrb to contrib, apt-get update and try to install again |
| 18:37.04 | Xunie | Oh shi, typo! |
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| 18:37.38 | Xunie | gps23, I do have another error with apt. |
| 18:37.45 | gps23 | what? |
| 18:38.03 | Xunie | It sometimes can't connect to volatile.debian.org or security.debian.org and gives me IPv6 addresses. |
| 18:38.56 | Xunie | Says it can't connect to those hostnames with those IPv6 addreses. |
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| 18:40.04 | gps23 | Xunie: have u enabled IPv6 addressing while installing debian? |
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| 18:40.28 | Xunie | Not that I know of. |
| 18:41.29 | xoz_ | !disable ipv6 |
| 18:41.29 | gps23 | Xunie: pastebin /etc/network/interfaces |
| 18:41.29 | dpkg | [noipv6] To disable use of <IPv6> on Lenny: echo install ipv6 /bin/true >> /etc/modprobe.d/local.conf (and reboot for the changes to take effect). From Squeeze onwards, IPv6 is built into the kernel, add the kernel command line option ipv6.disable=1 to your bootloader. |
| 18:41.31 | Xunie | And it did fix it BTW. |
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| 18:43.00 | Xunie | Not the IPv6 problem ofcourse, but the nvidia driver problem. |
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| 18:47.18 | tdo | trying to find info on how to swap OS on my cell phone. Could anyone point me in the right direction, I've read meself tired on google :S |
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| 18:50.11 | grzeslaw | hello. I have just installed compiz fusion on my eeepc asus 1002HA with inteli graphic card. Unfortunetely when I start my compiz. there is no border on my windows. When I push the middle mouse button.. i have no cube... but in compiz config cube is enabled.. what can it be? |
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| 18:50.37 | Bushmills | compiz doesn't run |
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| 18:51.34 | grzeslaw | when I check my processes there is a compiz process |
| 18:51.49 | grzeslaw | "/usr/bin/compiz .gconf" |
| 18:51.51 | grzeslaw | :> |
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| 18:52.39 | Bushmills | no window decoration and no compiz functionality suggest otherwise |
| 18:53.00 | zinx | perhaps he has no plugins enabled |
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| 18:54.10 | grzeslaw | zinx: : I have automatic plugins option enabled |
| 18:54.28 | zinx | perhaps he has no plugins enabled, and doesn't even realize it |
| 18:55.00 | Bushmills | run compiz from an xterm, and look at possible error messages |
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| 18:57.06 | CGI537 | give it 2 me babay, help me to see her naked: http://www.sexy-fussball-wm2010.net/?id=6348406 |
| 18:58.07 | grzeslaw | Bushmills: i' |
| 18:58.14 | grzeslaw | ll check it, thx |
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| 18:58.53 | CGI537 | thank you |
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| 19:03.38 | grzeslaw | http://pastebin.ca/1878010 there are some warnings and error [; |
| 19:05.43 | Bushmills | looks like you need to fix your compiz configuration |
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| 19:07.27 | rking | So I have a device (a stupid cell phone), and I'm trying to explore it via USB. It shows up with `lsusb` but does not seem to be an MTP device... any next steps I can try? |
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| 19:08.00 | lindi- | rking: sudo lsusb -vvv |
| 19:10.13 | rking | lindi-: Ok, good point, thanks. That does give me some more info, though it seems a little weak---some vendor id stuff, and a few addresses. |
| 19:10.32 | rking | Is there a way to get into the raw data at those addresses? I'm really not sure what the USB protocol itself involves. |
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| 19:10.54 | zinx | rking: try bitpim? |
| 19:11.04 | rking | zinx: sounds like a start.. |
| 19:11.12 | zinx | rking: if it's really a dumbphone |
| 19:11.42 | NiLon | rking gnokii is worth of testing out |
| 19:11.46 | rking | zinx: Alexander Graham Bell threw this thing away in disgust and invented the landline. |
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| 19:12.05 | rking | NiLon: Cool |
| 19:12.42 | rking | Let's take a step back... let's say I didn't have `mount` and I did have a USB thumb drive... how could a guy get at the raw data? Would it involve writing a bunch of protocol code? |
| 19:12.49 | NiLon | tho you might wanna use git repo instead debian one, as debian binary is badly outdated |
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| 19:13.47 | zinx | rking: your question is flawed |
| 19:13.53 | rking | NiLon: ahh |
| 19:13.57 | rking | zinx: I was thinking so |
| 19:14.09 | NiLon | I'm not sure but there is somesort of "flashdrive" mode that maybe will make phone mountable |
| 19:14.15 | NiLon | but never actually tested it out |
| 19:14.17 | zinx | rking: the answer to the question you want to ask is yes, it would involve not only writing a lot of protocol code, but also quite possible reverse engineering the protocol itself |
| 19:14.22 | NiLon | afaik gnokii can't do that directly |
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| 19:14.38 | zinx | s/possible/possibly/ |
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| 19:15.24 | NiLon | you could try #gnokii channel tho, they know thing or two about phones heh |
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| 19:15.36 | rking | zinx: really? I thought the USB drives were fairly standard... I know they have different filesystems on them, but there has to be some common layer that allows `mount` + the linux USB system to just *zoop* mount it |
| 19:15.37 | b_52light | hi |
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| 19:16.04 | lindi- | rking: put the output online and we'll see |
| 19:16.12 | zinx | rking: USB drives are standard. phones are nowhere NEAR standard. |
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| 19:16.41 | rking | zinx: Ok, no---those were two different questions. I'm trying to dip my toe into understanding the layers of USB and what is responsible for what. |
| 19:17.03 | zinx | rking: uhm, there is a standards body dedicated to that with freely downloadable documentation |
| 19:17.15 | lindi- | rking: usb is a pretty complex beast. http://iki.fi/lindi/usb/usbsnoop.txt has some practical advice on reverse-engineering simple devices fast |
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| 19:17.37 | rking | I get that a phone, unless it was really cool, would not have a thumb stick mode... but if I knew how thumb sticks, and USB mice, and USB flash lights, and USB robotic arms, etc., worked, then I could have an idea of what tools I'd like to use to explore random device $foo. $foo today = my stupid cell phone. |
| 19:17.40 | karsten | rking: what kind of phone? Does it support access as a USB storage device? |
| 19:17.54 | rking | karsten: I'm almost 100% sure it doesn't. |
| 19:18.09 | lindi- | usb mass storage is not very nice protocol for a phone to support |
| 19:18.31 | karsten | rking: A fair number of devices *do* mount as USB storage. Alternative is to get an SD / MicroSD card, transfer whatever's on the phone to that, then transfer the card to your computer and read it. |
| 19:18.48 | karsten | lindi-: It's a nice protocol supported by my Android phone. |
| 19:19.00 | rking | http://paste.debian.net/76378/ # the lsusb -vvv output |
| 19:19.11 | lindi- | karsten: sure but you have to use things like vfat there to stay compatible |
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| 19:19.20 | rking | lindi-: that sounds like the document I'm looking for. |
| 19:19.27 | grzeslaw | Bushmills: what excacly in my configuration? |
| 19:19.42 | rking | Thank you all for helping me wade through this---I don't know my problem well enough to describe it (and thus don't know it well enough to effectively Google. =)) |
| 19:19.57 | rking | karsten: that's a smart workaround. |
| 19:19.58 | lindi- | rking: you probably can just use picocom /dev/ttyACM0? |
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| 19:20.20 | grzeslaw | Bushmills: : maby I have to many effect turned on :> |
| 19:20.48 | karsten | lindi-: Which it does. What's your point? |
| 19:20.51 | grand_grunt | yeah yea, Debian is installing :) |
| 19:21.06 | grand_grunt | (spent many time on this machine, sharing happiness) |
| 19:21.20 | lindi- | karsten: rsync is much nicer protocol for transfering data to mobile phone over usb |
| 19:21.22 | rking | I eventually want to be able to create a USB device. I have this awesome Wireless + USB device in mind that will take a small portion of the world by storm, but tinkering around at this level is an important start. (I think) |
| 19:22.13 | lindi- | karsten: you can use different file systems on phone and PC. concurrent access and easy incremental transfers |
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| 19:22.24 | karsten | lindi-: What devices is that supported on? |
| 19:22.48 | lindi- | karsten: it's all software mostly. anything you can run debian on |
| 19:23.22 | lindi- | karsten: openmoko and n900 at least, htc hero too? |
| 19:23.31 | karsten | lindi-: What consumer electronic mass-market phones are available which support rsync out-of-the-box? |
| 19:23.40 | karsten | lindi-: I know what rsync is, kthx. |
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| 19:24.13 | lindi- | karsten: no idea yet |
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| 19:24.38 | lindi- | the popular protocols are not necesarily the nicest :) |
| 19:26.09 | b_52light | any vim users :D ? |
| 19:26.19 | b_52light | http://pastebin.com/QYbehxud is this normal |
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| 19:27.54 | rking | b_52light: Definitely not normal. Pastebin the /etc/vim/vimrc ? |
| 19:28.25 | karsten | lindi-: Just because you're popular doesn't mean I'll respect you in the morning. |
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| 19:28.54 | niklaswe | is wine complied with alsa-support by default? |
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| 19:29.59 | b_52light | rking, http://pastebin.com/B2kGmc7n |
| 19:31.30 | karsten | lindi-: So: suggesting foks use on-phone rsync isn't terribly practical. Using USB mass-storage is. Yo ucan do local rsync to/from the USB device, though it may not be as fast as networked. Not sure what the bitrate of USB2 is. |
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| 19:32.37 | b_52light | rking, it's the default file i just added the last line |
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| 19:33.38 | rking | b_52light: That's weird... because line 2 is commented out (the ") |
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| 19:33.53 | lindi- | karsten: i'm just saying that since I already use debian rsync is definitely more practical for me than usb mass storage. of course things are different if you are locked to a non-free OS that only does mass storage. |
| 19:34.30 | lindi- | karsten: i'm not expecting cheap phones to support debian any time soon :) |
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| 19:34.39 | b_52light | rking, hm ok |
| 19:34.41 | zer0x | I'm running on an Eee 900 with 2 mouse buttons on a central pivot, so pressing both simultaneously is impossible. Is there still some way I can paste the X selection? |
| 19:34.52 | rking | b_52light: If I was you, I would do a little old-fashioned debugging... Open the file in another editor, delete everything & save; open vim -> it should work. Then, undo & save; open vim -> it should fail. Delete everything but the first line & save; open vim -> should work. Etc. |
| 19:35.06 | rking | zer0x: Shift + Insert ? |
| 19:35.08 | Bushmills | zer0x: xclip. command line tool |
| 19:35.27 | b_52light | rking, hm ok, thanks |
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| 19:36.01 | zer0x | rking: hehe, lovely job, cheers :) |
| 19:36.21 | rking | Bushmills: good tip, too. Still, even with xclip and shift+insert he's going to run into occasions of annoyance. I wonder if there's an easy way to map something like RightAlt+Click to paste |
| 19:36.40 | zer0x | Bushmills: I've been using sselp from the suckless dwm tools, but its starting to drive me crazy :) |
| 19:37.04 | zer0x | `sselp` in console hehe :) |
| 19:37.16 | karsten | zer0x: Man, that sucks. I use xclip, and have two shell scripts, 'xc' and 'xp' (copy and paste) which call it. Makes is easier to invoke. 'xclip -o' == xp. |
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| 19:38.26 | rfranknj | i just setup debian on a little arm based notebook, i added a new user but whenever i try to run ping, scp, ssh, etc it says socket: permission denied .. it's a very basic system so something simple is probably not setup properly. any ideas? |
| 19:38.51 | zer0x | karsten: nice, although I am getting tempted to 'mod' this pivot mouse button, annoying mechanism! |
| 19:38.54 | karsten | rfranknj: does it work as root? |
| 19:39.13 | rfranknj | karsten: yeah |
| 19:39.15 | rking | b_52light: I notice that when I download that file it is a DOS line-ending file. I know that vim is generally line-ending-agnostic, but maybe it's getting confused by a CRLF file so early in the startup process? |
| 19:39.37 | karsten | zer0x: That'd nix the device from consideration for me. Apple notebooks suffer a similar disease (single mouse button). |
| 19:40.01 | lindi- | zer0x: I use openmoko with only one button (the touchscreen). I have a menu entry that copies selection to clipboard and another entry that pastes clipboard contents using fake key events |
| 19:40.04 | karsten | zer0x: I think you might also be able to wire up mouse + keyboard (usually ctrl, alt, or "windows" buttons) to emulate third mouse click. |
| 19:40.21 | lindi- | zer0x: iki.fi/lindi/openmoko/clipboard-primary-copy iki.fi/lindi/openmoko/clipboard-paste |
| 19:40.22 | rking | rfranknj: Do you have strace installed? If so, run "strace ping foo.com" and see exactly which call fails |
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| 19:41.15 | b_52light | rking, ok |
| 19:42.34 | zer0x | karsten: I bought it whilst it was on offer, although these mouse buttons and the celeron battery drain issue have made it quite impracticle! |
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| 19:42.51 | zer0x | lindi-: cheers :) |
| 19:43.09 | bodom | Hi there. I have troubles with qemu tap networking, it stopped working. Looks like guest it not receiving packets from host, any ideas? |
| 19:43.26 | zer0x | speaking of battery drain, this thing needs its mains adapter! |
| 19:43.27 | lindi- | zer0x: however, i'm currently just trying to get rid of the use of primary selection. unfortunately xterm still more or less requires it and the alternatives use more memory |
| 19:43.37 | karsten | resists the obvious "I'd tap it" response. |
| 19:44.04 | rfranknj | rking: it's the call to socket, it returns -1 |
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| 19:45.29 | rking | rfranknj: you're not running some hardened thing like SELinux, are you? |
| 19:45.37 | karsten | bodom: What's routing look like on the guest? |
| 19:46.27 | rfranknj | rking: no, but it is a very limited system for a little mini arm based notebook. http://www.disi.me/index.php/2010/04/20/wondermedia-wm8505-debian-port |
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| 19:47.10 | bodom | karsten: 172.28.148.4 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.252 U 0 0 0 eth0, 0.0.0.0 172.28.148.5 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth0 - 172.28.148.5 is the host |
| 19:47.57 | zer0x | lindi-: I guess I could use something like this with xbindkeys? |
| 19:48.09 | lindi- | zer0x: sure if you have a keyboard |
| 19:48.17 | zer0x | lindi-: hehe |
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| 19:48.25 | lindi- | zer0x: all I have is this touchscreen |
| 19:48.39 | kermit | while upgrading to ubuntu 10.4, my system locked up, i had to power cycle, now X wont even load, what should i do? |
| 19:48.45 | bodom | karsten: looks ok |
| 19:48.55 | zinx | kermit: you should ask in #ubuntu |
| 19:49.22 | kermit | zinx: i have, but i dont think its an ubuntu specific issue as it uses dpkg |
| 19:49.26 | zer0x | lindi-: how is the openmoko? I seem to remember OpenBSD is running on it also! |
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| 19:49.28 | gangil | hi , even installing packages as small as 9 MB , is taking too long , my net speed is around 60-80 KBps , can it be beacause of selection of certain mirrors by default ? Which I may need to change ? |
| 19:49.30 | zinx | kermit: it is an ubuntu specific issue |
| 19:49.35 | piklu | what is debianlenny ?? |
| 19:49.36 | kermit | zinx: ok, thanks |
| 19:49.42 | piklu | what is debian lenny ?? |
| 19:49.59 | zinx | piklu: a release of Debian |
| 19:50.08 | piklu | zinx: which exactly ? |
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| 19:50.46 | zinx | piklu: debian.org/releases/ |
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| 19:50.49 | matr1x | the last one |
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| 19:51.46 | karsten | bodom: Yeah, nothing jumps out at me. |
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| 19:53.02 | karsten | gangil: Is it the download time, or the packagelist sorting time? What kind of system are you on, how much RAM? And 80 Kbps is pretty slow these days. |
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| 19:55.54 | lgeetj | any one in here? |
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| 19:57.10 | lgeetj | I have a question about the sftp command get |
| 19:57.30 | lgeetj | wonder for how long it'll try to get a file before it times-out the connection? |
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| 20:00.18 | unop | lgeetj, i believe it uses the value of the ssh "ConnectTimeout" option. |
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| 20:02.38 | lgeetj | ok where can I configure the ssh connectTimeout? |
| 20:04.12 | gangil | how to start epiphany from terminal , I tried epiphany and epiphany-browser , but both didn't work . I have installed it now using apt-get install |
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| 20:06.49 | cahoot | epiphany<tab><tab>? |
| 20:06.55 | karsten | lgeetj: /etc/ssh/ look at ssh_config and sshd_config |
| 20:07.13 | karsten | gangil: dpkg -L epiphany |
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| 20:09.47 | lgeetj | thnaks I'll look at it |
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| 20:10.50 | lgeetj | ssh_config and sshd_config, what the difference betwheen those files? |
| 20:11.06 | grand_grunt | sshd_config is for SSH server |
| 20:11.17 | karsten | lgeetj: One configures client, one server. |
| 20:11.37 | gangil | karsten: it gives me various paths to epiphany components |
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| 20:11.39 | karsten | lgeetj: man (5) ssh_config |
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| 20:11.55 | gangil | I can't pastebin them as browser not working in debian |
| 20:12.01 | karsten | gangil: Stuff on '/bin' or '/usr/bin' should be the executable(s). |
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| 20:12.20 | karsten | gangil: There are other browsers. There are other ways to get text to a pastebin. That's your problem. |
| 20:12.43 | karsten | gangil: I'd suggest w3m or links (both console browsers). |
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| 20:14.25 | gangil | karsten: all are from /usr/share and /usr/games |
| 20:14.29 | gangil | not /usr/bin |
| 20:15.04 | karsten | gangil: /usr/bin/epiphany |
| 20:15.19 | karsten | gangil: according to apt-file. If you can't find it there, reinstall the package and ensure it's installed properly. |
| 20:15.28 | karsten | gangil: If you can't execute it, well, something else is wrong. |
| 20:16.04 | karsten | gangil: My own considered professional opinion is that All Things Gnome Suck Crack through Donky Dong, but that's just me. |
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| 20:16.58 | kodemunki | dpkg checks for LIB_PATH when installing packages right? |
| 20:17.00 | dpkg | no idea, kodemunki |
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| 20:17.15 | kodemunki | (not the bot) dpkg checks for LIB_PATH when installing packages right? |
| 20:18.05 | craigevil | epiphany is a game, try which epiphany-browser |
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| 20:28.31 | krabador | hi, ii'm compiling mplayer, i've done "apt-get build-dep"mplayer" and i've "Error: X11 support required for GUI compilation" |
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| 20:28.40 | krabador | i've installed libx11-dev libxv-dev libgtk2.0-dev xorg-dev |
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| 20:30.04 | TehRabbitt | anyone here ever heard of issues with dbus on lenny? |
| 20:30.37 | topi` | nope |
| 20:30.40 | TehRabbitt | trying to install latest copy of BlueZ from source... but it is giving errors that it is missing dbus libraries |
| 20:30.51 | TehRabbitt | but dbus is installed |
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| 20:31.25 | TehRabbitt | any ideas? |
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| 20:33.17 | petemc | TehRabbitt: normally when compiling you want libfoo-dev |
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| 20:33.54 | petemc | in this case perhaps libdbus-1-dev |
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| 20:38.13 | {g} | TehRabbitt: what means "install from source"? |
| 20:38.41 | gps23 | gangil: i think you have installed epiphany game, install epiphany-browser package instead |
| 20:39.05 | simonrvn | {g}: download source tarball from upstream (or VCS checkout), build time configure, compile, install |
| 20:39.26 | {g} | simonrvn: interesting. never did that. |
| 20:39.27 | gps23 | p epiphany - clone of Boulder Dash game |
| 20:39.30 | gps23 | p epiphany-browser - Intuitive GNOME web browser |
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| 20:39.42 | {g} | simonrvn: i only know apt-get install :) |
| 20:40.15 | gangil | gps23 : got it , I did the mistake |
| 20:40.45 | gps23 | gangil: i almost fell for it last time i installed epiphany |
| 20:40.53 | fdfr | hi, anyone using (or used with success) openvpn with ultravpn configuration? |
| 20:41.29 | Bushmills | don't think so. ultravpn is afaik ipsec based. openvpn is ssl based |
| 20:41.57 | fdfr | bushmannt, i followed this tutorial http://www.ultravpn.fr/forum/index.php?topic=55.0 |
| 20:42.07 | fdfr | if you want to check it, it's very short |
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| 20:42.40 | fdfr | hmm sorry i meant Bushmills |
| 20:42.46 | fdfr | not bushmannt hehe |
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| 20:45.20 | fdfr | Bushmills, anything? |
| 20:45.22 | lenswipe | hey guys |
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| 20:45.43 | Bushmills | fdfr: (22:41:28) Bushmills: don't think so. ultravpn is afaik ipsec based. openvpn is ssl based |
| 20:45.45 | lenswipe | i just installed mysql5 on lenny and i cant connect to it |
| 20:45.52 | lenswipe | can someone tell me where iptables config is? |
| 20:46.20 | fdfr | Bushmills, so you say that tutorial (and any other i might find) are a load of crap? |
| 20:46.32 | fdfr | Bushmills, can't be done? |
| 20:46.56 | Bushmills | i just read that ultravpn is ssl, not ipsec based. |
| 20:47.20 | Bushmills | " VPN solution based on OpenVPN." |
| 20:48.27 | lenswipe | can someone tell me where iptables config is? |
| 20:48.27 | Bushmills | lenswipe: there is none |
| 20:48.27 | lenswipe | huhu? |
| 20:48.27 | Lirezh | iptables is kernel configured, there is no userspace config file except for scripts and stuff |
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| 20:48.29 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell lenswipe about iptables |
| 20:48.41 | lenswipe | so can someone tell me why i cant connect to mysql on my lenny box |
| 20:48.47 | lenswipe | its giving me a connection error |
| 20:48.48 | Lirezh | try iptables-save and iptables -L |
| 20:48.51 | lenswipe | i know its installed and running |
| 20:49.01 | lenswipe | Lirezh, what does that do? |
| 20:49.13 | fdfr | Bushmills, you know of any free vpn server to wich i can connect using openvpn ? |
| 20:49.30 | Bushmills | yes. openvpn |
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| 20:50.26 | Lirezh | lenswipe: it will show the iptables configuration |
| 20:50.34 | lenswipe | ok |
| 20:50.35 | Lirezh | iptables-save has a nice format, try it |
| 20:50.38 | lenswipe | i did |
| 20:50.40 | lenswipe | and it does |
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| 20:50.51 | lenswipe | that being the case how do i allow mysql access |
| 20:51.18 | Lirezh | from remote ? |
| 20:51.19 | Lirezh | or local |
| 20:52.05 | lenswipe | remote |
| 20:52.12 | lenswipe | local works fine |
| 20:52.21 | Lirezh | and you have iptables rules configured ? |
| 20:52.25 | lenswipe | nope |
| 20:52.31 | Lirezh | none ? |
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| 20:52.42 | Lirezh | then it's a mysql server config issue |
| 20:52.47 | Lirezh | by default it only listens to localhost |
| 20:52.51 | lenswipe | could it mebbe be the bind address? |
| 20:52.53 | lenswipe | ...yeah |
| 20:52.53 | Lirezh | check the my.cnf and bind it to an IP |
| 20:53.15 | lenswipe | if i bind it to an IP will it listen to localhost too? |
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| 20:53.39 | jelly-home | bind it to any IPs you need it to listen on |
| 20:54.00 | jelly-home | if that includes 127.0.0.1, make it so |
| 20:54.07 | lenswipe | how? |
| 20:54.10 | lenswipe | just with a comma? |
| 20:54.15 | lenswipe | ip1, ip2 etc? |
| 20:54.23 | Lirezh | http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/server-options.html |
| 20:54.30 | Lirezh | there you find the configuration options |
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| 20:57.23 | lgeetj | so sshd and all other names which got a d in it stands for server side configuration? |
| 20:57.42 | lgeetj | the same goes for init.d? |
| 20:57.46 | larsie | its stands for for deamon. |
| 20:57.59 | larsie | which starts at bootup of linux, i think. |
| 20:58.09 | lgeetj | okej thanks |
| 20:58.18 | larsie | dont' remember the precise definition, but its something like that |
| 20:58.25 | lenswipe | guys |
| 20:58.28 | lenswipe | its still not working |
| 20:58.31 | lenswipe | i still cant connect to mysql |
| 20:58.41 | lenswipe | this time i get a message telling me that my computer is allowed to connect |
| 20:58.46 | lgeetj | from you own computer of from another one? |
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| 20:59.12 | lenswipe | lgeetj, ? |
| 20:59.12 | lgeetj | you have to open the mysql port for any host |
| 20:59.22 | lgeetj | the port nr is usually 3306 |
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| 21:00.09 | lgeetj | you could configure int under /etc/xxxxxxx mysql |
| 21:00.26 | lenswipe | Can't connect to MySQL server on '192.168.1.16' (10061) in C:\wamp\www\index2.php on line 3 |
| 21:00.41 | gps23 | lenswipe: please pastebin your mysql.conf |
| 21:00.45 | lenswipe | ok |
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| 21:01.36 | lgeetj | the port nr is not the deaful! and are you sure that the debian comp hosting the mysql server has opened the deafult port for connection from any host? |
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| 21:01.58 | lgeetj | yeahh the problem is laied in the mysql.conf |
| 21:02.36 | lenswipe | http://pastebin.com/bi6AbjnR |
| 21:02.43 | lenswipe | oops wait |
| 21:02.45 | lenswipe | wrong one |
| 21:03.25 | gps23 | lenswipe: its ok, see lines 45-47 u will get the idea |
| 21:03.47 | lenswipe | yeah i know |
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| 21:03.56 | lenswipe | when i change that to the ip of the server i get the access denied message |
| 21:04.05 | lenswipe | otherwise i get the message telling me it cant connect |
| 21:04.06 | lenswipe | >:{ |
| 21:05.05 | gps23 | lenswipe: then it must be firewall problem |
| 21:05.12 | gps23 | can you ping the server? |
| 21:05.15 | lenswipe | yes |
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| 21:05.19 | lenswipe | its not behind a firewall |
| 21:05.22 | lenswipe | im on the same lan ffs |
| 21:05.29 | jelly-home | lenswipe: can you telnet a.b.c.d 3306 ? |
| 21:05.32 | lenswipe | yes |
| 21:05.35 | lenswipe | oh wait |
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| 21:05.59 | lenswipe | jelly-home, Bâ¦Host 'c01.local' is not allowed to connect to this MySQL server |
| 21:06.07 | jelly-home | lenswipe: so it's not a firewall issue any more |
| 21:06.39 | lenswipe | right |
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| 21:07.11 | jelly-home | lenswipe: check your tcp_wrapper settings (/etc/hosts.allow) if mysqld if linked against libwrap, and mysql server settings |
| 21:07.22 | lenswipe | ok |
| 21:07.30 | lenswipe | this is totally retarded this is a stock mysql install |
| 21:07.39 | jelly-home | also, googling for "is not allowed to connect to this MySQL server" would probably give clues |
| 21:07.51 | lenswipe | jelly-home, does this always happen to mysql? |
| 21:08.00 | lenswipe | what monkey set it to do this? |
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| 21:08.17 | lenswipe | im serious its the most retarded thing ive ever come accroess |
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| 21:08.28 | jelly-home | lenswipe: not allowing remote access to a service is a good default |
| 21:08.45 | jelly-home | a _safe_ default, even |
| 21:08.49 | lenswipe | jelly-home, yeah i agree, what im calling retarded is all this malarkey |
| 21:08.58 | jelly-home | what malarkey? |
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| 21:12.24 | lenswipe | jellyHost 'c01.local' is not allowed to connect to this MySQL server |
| 21:12.29 | lenswipe | ^ that malarkey ^ |
| 21:13.10 | lenswipe | how do i fix that?i |
| 21:13.18 | lenswipe | i need mysql server to do an assignment |
| 21:13.24 | lenswipe | its now 22:13 and its due in tommorow |
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| 21:14.44 | garo | Can i use apt-get or aptitude to search for (not install or download) all security upgrades (without regular updates) that are available ? |
| 21:15.01 | garo | s/Can/How can/g |
| 21:15.32 | lenswipe | jelly-home, that being the case, how do i fix this screw up |
| 21:16.23 | jamesstanley | Does anybody have a copy of the "posix programmer's guide"? would they recommend it? |
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| 21:17.06 | jelly-home | lenswipe: sorry, I can't handhold you through setting mysqld up; perhaps a mysql related channel would have more clues. I only how the general idea is to set up /etc/hosts.allow properly, then set up remote user and password with mysql-specific tools |
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| 21:18.02 | jelly-home | s/how/know/ |
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| 21:18.31 | lenswipe | yeah like i said |
| 21:18.32 | lenswipe | thats retarded |
| 21:18.49 | Empis | hello, im using a backup-script called backup-manager and it output a *.tar.gz file. it says the file is broken when im trying to open it with winrar. any tip? |
| 21:19.13 | lenswipe | jelly-home, hosts.allow is empty! |
| 21:19.19 | jelly-home | lenswipe: I believe you'd have to do that with any mysqld instance, at least the latter part. It's normal |
| 21:19.19 | lenswipe | srsly wtf is up with this damn distro |
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| 21:20.23 | Bushmills | wtf is up with users that they don't read up on the operating systems they use anymore? |
| 21:20.38 | jelly-home | lenswipe: I suggest reading /usr/share/doc/mysql-server-5.1/README.Debian.gz |
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| 21:20.55 | lenswipe | jelly-home, maybe when i have a bit more time |
| 21:21.07 | Empis | lenswipe: whats the problem? :) |
| 21:21.14 | lenswipe | Empis, Debian. |
| 21:21.16 | lenswipe | ...aparently |
| 21:21.25 | lenswipe | its handling mysql in a really messed up way |
| 21:21.29 | Empis | hehe, and what are u trying to do? |
| 21:21.30 | jelly-home | lenswipe: in general, /usr/share/doc/packagename has useful documentation and if there's a README.Debian it often specifies distro-specific aspects of setup |
| 21:21.40 | lenswipe | Empis, connect to mysql |
| 21:21.41 | lenswipe | Host 'c01.local' is not allowed to connect to this MySQL server |
| 21:21.50 | lenswipe | i have never ever seen that on *ANY-OTHER-DISTRO* |
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| 21:22.02 | Empis | is the mysql server stand alone? |
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| 21:22.14 | Empis | webserver => connect => myqlserver etc.? |
| 21:22.16 | spo0nman | Hi, how do i increase the ulimit permanently without a reboot? |
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| 21:23.21 | jelly-home | lenswipe: in particular, for this package there's a NETWORKING section in that file |
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| 21:23.55 | Empis | lenswipe: if u trying to connect to the mysql from remote, by default (for me at least) the mysql server was listening to ip 127.0.0.1, and new users by default are only allowed to connect from localhost |
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| 21:24.22 | jelly-home | Empis: he's having tcp_wrappers trouble but can't be bothered to read how to fix it |
| 21:24.31 | Empis | ah oke |
| 21:24.43 | lenswipe | jelly-home, s/cant be bothered/open the tcp _wrappers file and find it blank |
| 21:24.52 | tau | hey, i am having some messages when i start the debian, the messages are 'amixes error load', when i type on command line 'amixer' i get amixer: Mixer default load error: Invalid argument |
| 21:24.57 | tau | what can it be ? |
| 21:25.23 | jhutchins_lt | amixer? |
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| 21:25.38 | tau | jhutchins_lt: yes. |
| 21:25.43 | jelly-home | lenswipe: for the third time, read README.Debian |
| 21:26.15 | jhutchins_lt | tau: Ah, never used it. Try alsamixer. |
| 21:26.25 | dima202 | Anyone here rent C-05G OVH server? |
| 21:27.31 | jhutchins_lt | tau: alsamixer might give a more familiar error message. |
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| 21:27.56 | jhutchins_lt | tau: Could be that your sound card is not set up yet. |
| 21:28.59 | tau | jhutchins_lt: yes, but i don't know what a sound card is. |
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| 21:30.04 | kodemunki | is there a special way to tell dpkg that the package dependency that was needed to install a package was a source version install and it is installed? |
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| 21:30.44 | hayleyw | !tell kodemunki about equivs |
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| 21:31.08 | tau | jhutchins_lt: what must i type ? alsamixer on the command line ? |
| 21:31.21 | kodemunki | nice i googled equivs |
| 21:31.29 | kodemunki | ill try this, thanks |
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| 21:32.54 | krabador | please, i need to compile a mplayer from sources, for a static build; I typed "apt-get build-dep mplayer" i typed "./configure --enable-static --enable-gui --enable-menu --codecsdir=DIR" and i have "Error: X11 support required for GUI compilation" |
| 21:33.31 | krabador | i installed xorg-dev and libx11-xcb-dev |
| 21:33.37 | krabador | but nothing |
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| 21:33.51 | jhutchins_lt | tau: yes |
| 21:34.14 | jhutchins_lt | tau: You have embarked on a lifetime of learning. |
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| 21:34.59 | Kobaz | hmm |
| 21:35.03 | jhutchins_lt | tau: "Sound Card" refers to the hardware, now usually on the motherboard, that transcodes analog audio (mic, speakers) to and from digital. |
| 21:35.05 | Kobaz | this seems bad |
| 21:35.07 | Kobaz | # apt-get install smbclient |
| 21:35.10 | Kobaz | Segmentation faulty tree... 0% |
| 21:35.34 | jhutchins_lt | tau: It's also referred to more usefully as the "Audio Chip Set", because what chips are used are what matters. |
| 21:36.05 | tau | jhutchins_lt: sure, i got it. but when i try to change the volum control i see the msg "maybe you don't know the proper gstreamer installed. |
| 21:36.08 | jhutchins_lt | tau: When I do lspci, one of the lines is Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 03) |
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| 21:36.31 | tau | jhutchins_lt: but, what are the plugins to install ? |
| 21:36.36 | jhutchins_lt | tau: alsamixer has nothing to do with gstreamer. |
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| 21:37.02 | jhutchins_lt | tau: What you want to do is work up through the layers of sound support and check each layer. |
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| 21:37.59 | tau | jhutchins_lt: hmm, i am using just the gnome, do i need to have the alsamixer to listen some sound ? is it just a software on top layer ? |
| 21:38.14 | jhutchins_lt | Kobaz: I would probably check for free space on the disk, then reboot with the command "shutdown -Fr now". This will cause a disk check on startup. |
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| 21:38.41 | rubin110 | While running the Debian installer, is there any quick way to check drive io speeds? |
| 21:38.43 | jhutchins_lt | tau: It is a console-based mixer, it confirms that alsa is installed and configured. |
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| 21:39.42 | tau | jhutchins_lt: what do you advise to do ? |
| 21:41.08 | jhutchins_lt | tau: After you confirm that alsa is working and can play sound (see msg from dpkg), configure sound in gnome, then match the settings in gstreamer if necessary. |
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| 21:41.38 | tau | jhutchins_lt: how can I see if the alsa is working ? |
| 21:41.57 | tau | jhutchins_lt: lsmod | grep alsa |
| 21:41.58 | tau | ? |
| 21:42.04 | jhutchins_lt | please see the message from dpkg. Run alsamixer, check the volume settings, run aplay as specified. |
| 21:42.56 | tau | jhutchins_lt: how must I run the dpkg ? |
| 21:43.05 | tau | jhutchins_lt: what are the arguments to send to ? |
| 21:43.48 | tau | jhutchins_lt: i think i understand, i must use the dpkg to see if the alsa is installed. sure ? |
| 21:44.25 | hayleyw | !br |
| 21:44.26 | dpkg | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 21:44.29 | hayleyw | tau, ^^ |
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| 21:44.51 | hayleyw | i'm sure they'll understand you better...and vise versa |
| 21:46.18 | tau | hayleyw: ? |
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| 21:47.14 | tau | hayleyw: well, is my english so poor ? |
| 21:47.32 | tau | i thought i could express at least it. |
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| 21:54.00 | nsadmin | so I'm running kvm and virt-manager and virsh, but what I'm not so sure of is how to make these xml files that describe domains... where are those docmumented, and/or what tool makes them |
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| 22:09.32 | Futureproof | hi folks |
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| 22:10.47 | terron | I have a C program writing out buffered output (using the 'write' command) that I am filtering using grep and would like to redirect to a file. I have tried 'foo | grep bar > foobar' and 'foo | grep >> foobar' but neither worked. Any ideas? |
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| 22:15.38 | jelly-home | terron: does foo write its output and end, or does it stay active, outputing once in a while? |
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| 22:23.31 | nsadmin | so I'm running kvm and virt-manager and virsh, but what I'm not so sure of is how to make these xml files that describe domains... where are those docmumented, and/or what tool makes them? |
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| 22:31.01 | dima202 | Hmm, I am trying to copy from ftp to ftp from windows box using cuteftp and smartftp but they just cant do it |
| 22:32.06 | terron | jelly-home: it keeps running and outputs as it matches (which is then matched by grep) |
| 22:32.37 | jelly-home | terron: are you fflush()ing stdout after each line? |
| 22:34.13 | dima202 | What is most efficient way to copy directories from one server to another? |
| 22:34.22 | hayleyw | dima202, rsync |
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| 22:34.40 | dima202 | hayleyw: thanks i'll check it out |
| 22:34.47 | jelly-home | terron: if not, that'd be the reason why ... next in pipe won't get input until the buffer is filled first |
| 22:35.00 | terron | it's not my program, so I can't tell. how would i be able to tell? |
| 22:35.29 | terron | And it's not copyleft, so I can't share |
| 22:36.15 | jelly-home | oh, nevermind, I'm mixing up libc calls and syscalls |
| 22:36.29 | jelly-home | terron: GNU grep's --linie=buffered may help |
| 22:36.33 | jelly-home | --line-buffered |
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| 22:37.14 | JairunCaloth | gawd my bash is terrible. I have to look up syntax for everything :-p |
| 22:37.33 | terron | ah, that did the trick. thanks a ton, jelly |
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| 22:43.36 | lgeetj | anybody still up in here? |
| 22:45.27 | apol | when I try to build some package I get a "missing files, aborting" error |
| 22:45.42 | apol | can anybody help me fix that? |
| 22:47.01 | themill | dpkg: tell apol about errors |
| 22:47.58 | apol | themill: I run "dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot" |
| 22:48.20 | apol | and I get "dh_install: libemna3d-dev missing files (usr/include/*), aborting" |
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| 22:49.07 | themill | apol: did you install the build-deps for the package with "aptitude build-dep packagename"? |
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| 22:49.29 | apol | themill: sure |
| 22:49.39 | apol | themill: I've build another package before and it works fine |
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| 22:50.25 | themill | apol: it sounds like the build didn't actually build the files it was supposed to. Look earlier for other problems. |
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| 22:51.18 | themill | apol: where's this source package from, btw? |
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| 22:54.40 | apol | themill: the files are properly installed in debian/tmp/usr.... |
| 22:54.51 | apol | themill: it's a not-yet-free-software project |
| 22:55.32 | themill | apol: :) what dh compat level are you using (debian/compat)? |
| 22:56.03 | apol | themill: 7, i'm not sure what that means though |
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| 22:56.25 | dima202 | rsync is hard |
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| 22:56.49 | themill | apol: it's controls debhelper's behaviour. prior to v7, usr/include/* would not have worked, but with dh7, it should. |
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| 22:58.20 | apol | themill: it's the same as the bullet3d package I created, i just modified the parameters to this other package |
| 22:58.30 | apol | and I don't understand why it doesn't work |
| 23:00.01 | fdfr | hi all, i'm using /bin/netstat -l -n -t and it shows 127.0.0.1:3306 does that mean mysql server connections are available only for localhost and not from my public ip ? |
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| 23:03.00 | saxamo | Is anyone having issues with grabbing testing .torrent images? In my client I get the error: "The requested download is not authorized for use with this tracker" |
| 23:04.37 | apol | themill: how can I debug it? |
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| 23:07.04 | Bushmills | dima202: rsync is *software*, which, by definition, is *not* hard |
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| 23:08.14 | themill | apol: if the files are in debian/tmp/usr/include/ as you say, then I can't see why dh_install is not picking them up for you |
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| 23:08.34 | dima202 | Bushmills: WOW it's so awesome I understand to use it now |
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| 23:08.59 | rouslan | I'm about to install a home web/file/Tor server; is it recommended to use the hardened version or would this cause issues? |
| 23:09.21 | themill | dima202: man rsync comes with some pretty good examples that cover most simple needs. |
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| 23:09.26 | skeletal | Guys, i have a doubt. I use DEBIAN 5 here and my KDE is 3, i would like to update my KDE for last version. How can I do it? Pleease |
| 23:09.42 | HardDisk_WP | hey |
| 23:09.47 | HardDisk_WP | skeletal, apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 23:10.05 | dima202 | themill: yep, I just read the man file and got the syntax. I am still struggling with vi :p |
| 23:10.07 | themill | skeletal: kde4 is not available for lenny. |
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| 23:12.13 | skeletal | themill. Really? i didn't know nothing about it. So, in this case, how can I solve this situation? if a type apt-get dist-upgrade that can solve then? |
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| 23:12.26 | themill | no |
| 23:12.37 | skeletal | hmm..... |
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| 23:13.05 | skeletal | themill, so is there some way that can I try solve that? |
| 23:13.05 | rouslan | Any ideas about the hardened version? |
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| 23:13.28 | SCURENG | Hi to all.. |
| 23:13.49 | SCURENG | are u everybody dead? |
| 23:14.08 | themill | skeletal: you could try upgrading to "testing" but if you're new to Debian that's not recommended as you'll be in for a very bumpy ride. "/msg dpkg moving target", "/msg dpkg lenny->squeeze". |
| 23:14.28 | streuner | SCURENG: what kind of question is this? |
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| 23:14.44 | metalfan_ | hi |
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| 23:14.55 | SCURENG | i dont sAW anything so.. |
| 23:15.01 | SCURENG | i search for help |
| 23:15.08 | skeletal | hmm ok thanks guy! |
| 23:15.09 | hayleyw | !it |
| 23:15.09 | dpkg | Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help. |
| 23:15.09 | metalfan_ | any ideas where i can get a decent uptoda ffmpeg+libx264? |
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| 23:15.25 | streuner | SCURENG: so just ask that question about help |
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| 23:15.44 | streuner | SCURENG: we try our best |
| 23:16.07 | SCURENG | i ok.. i'm here for desperation because i dont use irc and i dont' bla bla... |
| 23:16.20 | SCURENG | i dont know well english.. |
| 23:16.37 | streuner | dpkg, it |
| 23:16.38 | dpkg | Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help. |
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| 23:16.44 | hayleyw | already said that :P |
| 23:17.08 | streuner | SCURENG: if you prefer italian just join #debian-it |
| 23:17.11 | SCURENG | i want to know if i can create a bootable cd with puppy linux (i'm OT?) and leave cd open.. |
| 23:17.28 | SCURENG | for future add of other sessions (multisessions...) |
| 23:17.42 | SCURENG | and how winxp can see if it can ... |
| 23:17.54 | SCURENG | the all sessions .. |
| 23:18.06 | jhambo | slightly off topic but... is it just me or does ubuntu install new kernels _a lot_ compared to debian? |
| 23:18.21 | SCURENG | i dont ever burn cd so .. |
| 23:18.24 | hayleyw | SCURENG, ask #windows or #puppylinux |
| 23:18.33 | SCURENG | ok thanks... |
| 23:18.42 | SCURENG | i go. |
| 23:19.12 | streuner | jhambo: you can install 1 billion kernels in Debian too |
| 23:19.15 | dima202 | we you say bandwith do you mean upload and download or just upload when talking about dedicated hosting |
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| 23:19.51 | streuner | jhambo: or do you think people in Debian uses only old hardware? ;-) |
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| 23:20.28 | hayleyw | jhambo, ubuntu has a lot more kernel updates because their stable kernels arent anywhere near as stable as debian's |
| 23:20.50 | streuner | jhambo: (you can install every kernel in Debian which is available of kernel.org) |
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| 23:21.07 | hayleyw | that's not what he was asking |
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| 23:22.31 | streuner | sure its not, but its more a pratical answer ;-) |
| 23:23.08 | jhambo | I mean if I do like `aptitude update` then `aptitude safe-upgrade` regularly, debian seems to update the kernel much less frequently than ubuntu. I notice now that I use the non OSE virtualbox which forces me to rebuild the kernel module each time... |
| 23:23.23 | hayleyw | jhambo, yes, and i told you why |
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| 23:24.44 | streuner | used .24 almost 2 years, and it was a good kernel... |
| 23:25.44 | streuner | you usually dont change your kernel vs. your underwear :-P |
| 23:26.34 | streuner | or you use mostly use only new hardware or you are part of LKML :-) |
| 23:27.59 | streuner | s/vs./more than/ |
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| 23:29.16 | poisonbit | jham, debian development used to be in sid (unstable)... since etch, there was published a updated version (etch.and.alf) but usually debian stable doesn't change major versions and the security team backport securitty patches |
| 23:29.44 | poisonbit | ^^^ jhambo, sorry |
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| 23:34.08 | saxamo | If I have had 3-4 years experience on ubuntu, would it be recommended to try debian-squeeze? |
| 23:34.21 | streuner | yes |
| 23:34.33 | streuner | it surely helps to use dpkg/apt/aptitude |
| 23:34.57 | saxamo | yes, those are among my favourite things about ubuntu |
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| 23:37.17 | kallisti5 | ok... i have entered hostap/master atheros debian hell.. |
| 23:37.29 | streuner | hehe |
| 23:37.38 | kallisti5 | anyone have any tips for my pain? |
| 23:37.47 | kallisti5 | (i.e madwifi vs ath5k) |
| 23:37.56 | abrotman | madwifi is kind of dead ? |
| 23:38.18 | kallisti5 | abrotman: good! cause it was a pain and didn't work right :) |
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| 23:38.29 | streuner | well, i guess in #madwifi hanging lots of devels there... |
| 23:38.52 | streuner | they should know better about madwifi vs. ath5k |
| 23:38.59 | kallisti5 | their solutions for me involved lots of compiling... |
| 23:39.16 | streuner | sounds like madwifi then :-) |
| 23:39.31 | kallisti5 | .. :) |
| 23:39.54 | kallisti5 | how do you flip the ath5k driver into master mode? |
| 23:40.01 | kallisti5 | i know that you can't set it directly |
| 23:40.07 | hayleyw | abrotman is right. madwifi is legacy. there are new methods, ath5k or ath9k |
| 23:40.20 | streuner | well, it should mention in wiki of debian |
| 23:40.23 | abrotman | kallisti5: not all drivers/cards support master mode ? |
| 23:40.25 | streuner | !ath5k |
| 23:40.26 | dpkg | [ath5k] a completely free (no proprietary HAL) driver for Atheros 802.11a/bg PCI wireless LAN chipsets. Included in Debian kernels since 2.6.24. See http://wiki.debian.org/ath5k for more information and supported devices. For AR5007* devices, ask me about <ar2425>. For 802.11n device support, ask me about <ath9k>. See also <backports.org>. |
| 23:40.40 | kallisti5 | abrotman: HaHa! |
| 23:40.44 | streuner | hm |
| 23:40.54 | kallisti5 | abrotman: yeah.. ap mode is always a pain in Linux/BSD/Unix |
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| 23:41.13 | streuner | you should listen to #madwifi guys then |
| 23:41.43 | kallisti5 | streuner: that guide doesn't mention hostap/master mode |
| 23:42.03 | kallisti5 | streuner: i've done a ton of googling but all the guides are really outdated |
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| 23:43.01 | rubin110 | My debian install would only bring up grub whenever my thumbdrive was inserted. |
| 23:43.16 | rubin110 | I ran grub-install and rebooted the machine, now I get grub rescue. |
| 23:43.37 | rubin110 | Any tips how to restore the original grub menu with debian listed? |
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