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| 00:11.29 | magdalene | skitters out from under the #debian_couch and curls up under the fern |
| 00:11.37 | magdalene | evening |
| 00:14.08 | magdalene | anyone up that can discuss the relative merits of madwifi vs driverloader for running an atheros pcmcia on a memory poor 10 year old laptop |
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| 00:16.50 | magdalene | gosh thats a lot of idle |
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| 00:18.07 | JairunCaloth | isn't madwifi depricated for the most part? |
| 00:18.38 | magdalene | i don't know, i just seem to remember the last time i ran it it seemed to be a bit of a memory hog |
| 00:19.00 | JairunCaloth | used to run it on my pIII lappy with out much trouble |
| 00:19.10 | JairunCaloth | I sold that laptop off though |
| 00:19.26 | magdalene | i have a ibm thinkpadmmx |
| 00:19.27 | magdalene | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:19.46 | magdalene | my real laptop died |
| 00:20.01 | magdalene | this one only has 80 megs of memory |
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| 00:20.43 | JairunCaloth | jesus... mine had half a gig :-p |
| 00:21.10 | magdalene | perhaps it was the rangebooster |
| 00:21.20 | magdalene | heh,, yeah I know |
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| 00:22.43 | JairunCaloth | my router has 64 megs... |
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| 00:25.10 | JairunCaloth | wonders why he tries to write bash |
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| 00:25.30 | kermit | why is ksoftirqd always eating 10% of my CPU? |
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| 00:26.53 | JairunCaloth | nom nom nom |
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| 00:30.02 | magdalene | that was fun |
| 00:30.47 | magdalene | stupid animated smiley stupid wysiwyg chat program |
| 00:31.09 | magdalene | waits for debian to finish downloading |
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| 00:45.02 | simonrvn | my fuze has 8 ;p |
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| 00:46.28 | magdalene | well here goes nothing. |
| 00:46.31 | magdalene | ciao bella |
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| 01:10.36 | piklu | hey |
| 01:10.48 | piklu | how can i boot debian in graphics mode |
| 01:10.53 | piklu | startx is not working for me |
| 01:11.49 | abrotman | piklu: aptitude install xorg |
| 01:12.09 | abrotman | piklu: if you want X to start when the system boots, install a DM like gdm/kdm/xdm |
| 01:12.47 | piklu | i used proxmox...a vm management on lenny....and its creating problems with me in network configs |
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| 01:14.01 | abrotman | well, if you can't install X, startx isn't going to work |
| 01:16.04 | piklu | lol |
| 01:16.07 | piklu | but how shall i connect |
| 01:16.13 | piklu | when network is not correct |
| 01:16.39 | simNIX | aptitude install xorg gnome alsa-base gdm for instance |
| 01:16.59 | simNIX | open with editor /etc/network/interfaces |
| 01:17.05 | simNIX | there you can setup nic |
| 01:17.06 | piklu | no u dnt understand, i have 2 NIC...one for private lan and other for public lan |
| 01:17.16 | piklu | and now proxmox has mingled them up |
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| 01:17.23 | abrotman | so fix them so you have internet on the machine or use the packages from a CD |
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| 01:17.45 | simNIX | or download on other box and tranfer with usb key |
| 01:17.46 | piklu | give me some understanding on how to fix them up |
| 01:17.48 | piklu | thats what i need |
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| 01:18.02 | simNIX | you asked how to get x up |
| 01:18.02 | simNIX | then nic up |
| 01:18.08 | piklu | now i am asking how to fix nic up |
| 01:18.21 | simNIX | editor /etc/network/interfaces |
| 01:18.51 | abrotman | piklu: what about your network configuration does not owrk ? |
| 01:18.58 | abrotman | can you paste your interfaces file in a pastebin ? |
| 01:19.07 | piklu | I am on KVM |
| 01:19.09 | simNIX | then /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 01:19.13 | piklu | can show u a screenshot |
| 01:19.20 | abrotman | that's fine also .. picpaste.om |
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| 01:22.08 | piklu | wait guys |
| 01:22.13 | abrotman | we are waiting! |
| 01:22.59 | piklu | ( somebody said me right.....you should come to debian cause you will see #debian's support ) |
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| 01:25.16 | abrotman | piklu: we're waiting for a screenshot ... |
| 01:25.45 | tuv | if i set grub2 to use 1024x768x32, nvidia's driver complains about insufficient memory |
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| 01:26.31 | abrotman | the binary driver? |
| 01:26.43 | abrotman | did you try 16bit instead ? |
| 01:26.48 | tuv | abrotman: yes |
| 01:26.54 | abrotman | yes to whicih ? |
| 01:26.58 | tuv | abrotman: no |
| 01:27.15 | tuv | abrotman: binary. 32 only |
| 01:27.16 | simonrvn | ... |
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| 01:27.48 | abrotman | so try 16? |
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| 01:30.09 | piklu | http://www.picpaste.com/Shot1.jpg |
| 01:30.13 | piklu | thats the pic guys |
| 01:31.20 | piklu | abrotman: did u ssee that |
| 01:31.22 | abrotman | is it really bridged ? |
| 01:31.31 | piklu | abrotman: seems |
| 01:31.35 | piklu | now help me get this right |
| 01:31.39 | piklu | i have 2 NICs |
| 01:31.50 | piklu | 1 public |
| 01:31.54 | piklu | other private |
| 01:32.16 | abrotman | are you trying to use the VM as a router? or a bridged device? |
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| 01:33.12 | piklu | do not know, proxmox did all the conf |
| 01:33.23 | piklu | all i know is this machine is not accessible from outside any more |
| 01:33.29 | abrotman | i'm asking what ytou want .. not what it did |
| 01:33.39 | piklu | bridge would be ok |
| 01:33.46 | piklu | router is ok as well |
| 01:34.02 | abrotman | do you understand the difference? |
| 01:34.07 | piklu | whatever is simpler and allows clients KVM instances to have their own IPs in full duplex mode |
| 01:34.10 | piklu | yes |
| 01:34.11 | piklu | a little |
| 01:34.12 | abrotman | if ytou comment out hte bottom three lines, and restart networking, what happens? |
| 01:34.35 | abrotman | wait .. are you showing us the interfaces file from the host or the guest? |
| 01:34.57 | piklu | its the host |
| 01:35.04 | piklu | i think so |
| 01:35.38 | abrotman | i thought you wanted X to work on the client? |
| 01:35.45 | abrotman | are you saying internet does work on the host either? |
| 01:36.31 | piklu | yes |
| 01:36.49 | piklu | it is taking the private NIC as the main interfaces |
| 01:37.01 | piklu | while eth1 is the actual interface connected to internet |
| 01:37.13 | piklu | a simple change somewhere shall do this |
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| 01:40.25 | piklu | anybody ?? |
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| 01:43.46 | simonrvn | anybody what? |
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| 01:44.42 | piklu | help me edit those NICs back to work |
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| 01:46.40 | abrotman | sorry, distracted by hockey |
| 01:46.52 | abrotman | piklu: the internet does or does not work on the host? |
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| 01:46.58 | piklu | it does not |
| 01:47.29 | piklu | ping www.google.com |
| 01:47.32 | piklu | no replies |
| 01:47.40 | piklu | it thinks eth0 is the interface to ask |
| 01:47.45 | piklu | while eth1 is the one |
| 01:47.47 | piklu | how to do this ? |
| 01:48.07 | piklu | how to tell debian which is the right interface to connect to |
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| 01:49.02 | orangey | hello all! |
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| 01:49.30 | orangey | has anybody here ever hacked the gnome-panel to NOT display certain icons? e.g., the icon for skype, which there appears no option to remove |
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| 01:50.54 | Arrowmaster | piklu: ping -I |
| 01:51.25 | piklu | not a option |
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| 01:52.04 | piklu | Arrowmaster: not a option |
| 01:53.16 | icebrain | would think piklu has the wrong gateway defined - but doesn't know if that applies to KVM client instances |
| 01:54.10 | icebrain | piklu: btw, ping -I works here... |
| 01:54.20 | piklu | does not here |
| 01:54.33 | Arrowmaster | well i would use ping -I to test if it works before trying to change things system wide |
| 01:54.51 | Arrowmaster | if the -I option for ping isnt working then your problem is bigger than you think |
| 01:54.58 | piklu | well it does not works here |
| 01:55.01 | icebrain | piklu: it's ping -I INTERFACE HOSTNAME - that's what you're trying, right? |
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| 01:55.15 | abrotman | piklu: what OS is the host? |
| 01:56.26 | piklu | debian lenny |
| 01:56.29 | abrotman | if it's bridged, pretty sure he only has one interface |
| 01:56.29 | piklu | proxmox installed |
| 01:57.37 | piklu | ping -I eth1 www.google.com |
| 01:57.39 | piklu | shall work ? |
| 01:58.01 | icebrain | yes, the syntax is right |
| 01:58.17 | piklu | not working |
| 01:58.21 | piklu | for any interface |
| 01:58.23 | abrotman | is there an eth1? |
| 01:58.32 | abrotman | ifconfig -a ... how many interfaces are there? |
| 01:58.33 | piklu | yes |
| 01:59.51 | piklu | eth0, eth1, lo,sit0, venet0-00,vmbr0 |
| 01:59.54 | piklu | thats what we have |
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| 02:02.01 | piklu | guys respond please |
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| 02:06.57 | abrotman | piklu: i'd undo the bridge, and then make the internet work first, then work again to bridge it |
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| 02:07.30 | piklu | abrotman: vi not working properly here.....is it the same Insert/Esc thing as centos |
| 02:07.43 | abrotman | i don't use centos |
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| 02:07.49 | piklu | whats here |
| 02:08.44 | piklu | it simply does not goes to the end of line |
| 02:09.01 | civillian | this is painful to read... |
| 02:09.32 | piklu | it simply does not lets me insert properly |
| 02:11.23 | abrotman | are you sure it's vi ? |
| 02:11.34 | piklu | yes |
| 02:11.36 | piklu | i used vim |
| 02:11.39 | piklu | it worked well |
| 02:15.35 | piklu | yipppyyyyyyy |
| 02:15.38 | piklu | thanks guys |
| 02:15.39 | piklu | it worked |
| 02:15.48 | piklu | I edited the interfaces file |
| 02:15.54 | piklu | to eth1 |
| 02:15.59 | piklu | and restarted network |
| 02:16.03 | piklu | things are accessible now |
| 02:16.10 | piklu | thank youuuuuuu debian |
| 02:16.15 | piklu | abrotman: thanks |
| 02:16.23 | piklu | icebrain: thanks |
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| 02:35.04 | dima202 | Hey anyone out there? |
| 02:35.15 | comawhite | i get this error: dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/udev_154-1_amd64.deb (--unpack): |
| 02:35.15 | jpinx-eeepc | !anyone |
| 02:35.15 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 02:35.26 | dima202 | yeah i know |
| 02:35.48 | dima202 | I was wondering what do websites use to stream in avi player |
| 02:36.21 | dima202 | such as this site http://www.smalllinks.com/LKT |
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| 02:37.10 | dima202 | I really like their divx player and i want to know how they made this |
| 02:37.41 | erebus | <sicco> |
| 02:38.30 | dima202 | This site is just an example. I want to make my own for private use |
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| 02:40.50 | abrotman | comawhite: there is much more to that error ... |
| 02:41.10 | icebrain | dima202: the player is just any plugin you have installed in your browser to watch videos |
| 02:41.37 | nomasteryoda | how come Debian is so much better than Fedora? I updated my Fedora 13 install on my dualboot Debian/Fedora laptop and dang if Fedora will not load... |
| 02:41.37 | dima202 | not the player .. the server I want to stream content |
| 02:41.49 | nomasteryoda | gotta love me some Debian |
| 02:41.53 | Arrowmaster | any server will do |
| 02:41.54 | icebrain | dima202: they use a normal HTTP server to serve the avi files |
| 02:42.27 | nomasteryoda | mediatoomb will do that too |
| 02:42.27 | jpinx-eeepc | dima202: they just allow the browser to link to the .avi file and play it |
| 02:42.34 | icebrain | dima202: then the player picks up the URL and plays it while it downloads |
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| 02:43.51 | comawhite | abrotman, http://img704.imageshack.us/img704/4725/test4x.png |
| 02:44.21 | abrotman | comawhite: what does uname -r say ? |
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| 02:49.09 | flixil | I got a vpn l2tp client working on a linux box, and I'm trying to configure an ipod as another client. Can somebody tell me where are the account name, password and secret? |
| 02:49.09 | flixil | http://paste2.org/p/867646 |
| 02:49.51 | flixil | http://paste2.org/p/867648 |
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| 02:51.16 | flixil | http://paste2.org/p/867649 |
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| 02:56.57 | holocene | Anyone say what is the most important difference between Ubuntu and Debian? |
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| 02:58.40 | flixil | holocene, ubuntu is a derivative that was created because at that moment debian didn't release version fast enough I think. |
| 02:59.16 | flixil | Very important also debian social contract http://www.debian.org/social_contract |
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| 02:59.51 | holocene | ok. Would you say debian is more stable? |
| 03:00.21 | jpinx-eeepc | holocene: basically yes |
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| 03:01.09 | holocene | does debian use sudo for root permissions? |
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| 03:01.38 | dondelelcaro | holocene: it can |
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| 03:02.33 | holocene | ok, so out of the box a normal root user is "provided"? |
| 03:02.47 | icebrain | holocene: yes |
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| 03:03.29 | holocene | very good. I need to check out debian! |
| 03:04.49 | holocene | would you also say that Debian is typically used by more experienced people? (trying hard to be pc here) |
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| 03:06.31 | jpinx-eeepc | holocene: debian is used by a lot of professionals looking after public servers - yes |
| 03:07.44 | holocene | Ok. Thanks. will do a test install. |
| 03:07.57 | flixil | I use debian on my laptop for non professional things :) |
| 03:08.15 | zebradog | flixil, then you dont deserve to use it |
| 03:08.24 | zebradog | :p |
| 03:08.52 | flixil | oh, I'll change apt-get for porn-get then |
| 03:10.21 | hayleyw | holocene, debian is the defacto standard when it comes to security and stability |
| 03:10.31 | icebrain | hayleyw: he left |
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| 03:22.30 | RaZmAn | does anyone know if there is a torrentflux channel on this network |
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| 03:24.25 | karsten | RaZmAn: /msg alis list *torrentflux* |
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| 03:41.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's all so quiet |
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| 03:43.30 | rking | So, if I have a stable install disk and want to find the most direct route from here to a sid install, is there a best way? |
| 03:44.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | breathing is the hardest thing to do... |
| 03:44.39 | rking | To download and burn a sid install disk would take about 15 minutes... but I imagine there will be a specific point where I can just swap out some lines in the sources.list and that's it, but I'm not too keen on this whole process. |
| 03:45.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | would be a good trick... |
| 03:45.07 | jpinx-eeepc | rking: install sttable |
| 03:45.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | seeing as there is no sid install disk |
| 03:45.14 | jpinx-eeepc | stable -- even |
| 03:45.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | unstable -- uneven |
| 03:45.39 | rking | CutMeOwnThroat: There's not? Ahh, interesting. I know I used to install from an unstable disk... maybe that just meant that the installation process itself was unstable. |
| 03:45.40 | jpinx-eeepc | rking: and the do whatever upgrading you want *at your own risk* |
| 03:45.56 | jpinx-eeepc | !sid |
| 03:45.56 | dpkg | sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. Sid is the destructive kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in; sid is not supported in #debian because sid users should be able to solve their own problems. Sid will never be released. See also <sid faq> <unstable>. |
| 03:46.18 | rking | jpinx-eeepc: I've run unstable for... 14 years now. I'm just microoptimizing this process at the moment. =) |
| 03:46.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, there's other distros like sidux |
| 03:46.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | did you also just get an ctcp ping and was that supposed to be some type of exploit? |
| 03:48.23 | jpinx-eeepc | nope |
| 03:48.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | you run unstable for 14 years... what medicine do you take to calm your nerves? |
| 03:48.39 | rking | (also nope) |
| 03:48.53 | jpinx-eeepc | viagra :p |
| 03:49.17 | rking | CutMeOwnThroat: I have had a few moments. Moments where I have to dry the tears and acknowledge that my computer is not essential in a Maslow's Heirarchy sense. |
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| 03:50.11 | rking | But heaven forbid I don't have the latest version of vim (as approved by the debian package maintainer). That would be way worse. |
| 03:50.13 | jpinx-eeepc | sounds like it's essential in a masochistic sense to you ;) |
| 03:50.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | I ran testing for a while, but then decided I don't enjoy fixing things so much as if I needed to break them repeatedly |
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| 03:50.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | or the latest version of 'ls' |
| 03:50.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | that would be pure tragedy |
| 03:50.46 | rking | CutMeOwnThroat: when grep went color it was all worth it. |
| 03:50.59 | jpinx-eeepc | !sns |
| 03:50.59 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
| 03:51.18 | saxamo | hunh |
| 03:52.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | grep went color? you mean like... grep? |
| 03:52.28 | rking | grep --color=auto |
| 03:52.31 | rking | just like ls |
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| 03:52.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | sheesh |
| 03:53.26 | rking | It's seriously nice. Helps your eyes filter way faster than without that information... color is the 3rd dimension of monitor output |
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| 03:54.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps I should give that a try |
| 03:54.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | it'll probably cause eye-cancer, though |
| 03:54.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | but nuffin is perfect |
| 03:54.32 | jpinx-eeepc | psycadelic grep :| |
| 03:54.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | anyway... there's a squeeze installdisk... or you install stable and /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze, then upgrade to squeeze, then to testing/unstable |
| 03:55.42 | jpinx-eeepc | unless you're mad and go direct lenny->sid in your source.list :) |
| 03:55.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | I'm a bit confused - is unstable supposed to be complete now? I often see packages in testing/unstable in the same version, that seems to suggest it |
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| 03:55.53 | l0de | seems like a lot of work just to be despised by the rest of the open source community |
| 03:56.01 | l0de | Why don't you just install windows and be done with it |
| 03:56.08 | jpinx-eeepc | CutMeOwnThroat: yes - I believe they are only bug-killing now |
| 03:56.24 | rking | CutMeOwnThroat: I was not only thinking about doing that but I was thinking about doing that underneath the installer. |
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| 03:57.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, I mean... perhaps I remember that wrong, but it was always testing/unstable... because unstable was not complete without testing - either that changed, or I remember it wrong |
| 03:57.57 | eikenberry | unstable is always complete. testing is unstable that has gone through vetting. both are complete. |
| 03:58.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | I don't despise people for what they run... speak for yourself! |
| 03:58.19 | rking | CutMeOwnThroat: I know I can just go in and s/lenny/sid the do a dist-upgrade |
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| 03:58.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | I may think "poor bugger, better him than me", though :) |
| 03:59.02 | eikenberry | you see same versions as those are packages that have been through the vetting period and made it into testing. so both have the same version. |
| 03:59.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's what I said |
| 03:59.59 | Arrowmaster | CutMeOwnThroat: are you thinking that /etc/debian_version always says '<testing>/sid'? for the testing and unstable versions? |
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| 04:00.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | I wasn't actually thinking of that at all... but it does, doesn't it? |
| 04:01.02 | Arrowmaster | yeah it does |
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| 04:02.00 | jpinx-eeepc | then what experimental? |
| 04:02.08 | jpinx-eeepc | *what's |
| 04:02.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | the dump :) |
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| 04:03.14 | eikenberry | it is what is sounds like... a place for packages that are experimental. |
| 04:03.32 | eikenberry | someplace to share packages. so others can test them. |
| 04:03.46 | hooya | besides cacti and nagios, what are some good SNMP tools? |
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| 04:11.53 | dondelelcaro | hooya: munin |
| 04:12.09 | Rusty1 | hooya: mrtg itself comes to mind, and zenoss is out there |
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| 04:24.00 | acu | I want to delete an virtualmachine.img o f140 GB and the trash is too small - how should I do the delet |
| 04:25.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | rm? |
| 04:25.08 | icebrain | acu: shift+delete usually deletes the file bypassing the trash; CAREFUL, though - you can't restore it! |
| 04:26.09 | simonrvn | wonders what's wrong with rm |
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| 04:26.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | simonrvn, perhaps that the mouse has no button labeled "rm" *shrug* |
| 04:27.11 | simonrvn | that's gotta be it |
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| 04:28.55 | icebrain | I'd use rm too, but if he's using a graphical file manager, it's faster to just shift+delete... |
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| 04:29.14 | JairunCaloth | what's a mouse :-p |
| 04:29.27 | l0de | shit delete |
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| 04:40.14 | icebrain | !greet Murder_freenodes |
| 04:40.14 | dpkg | Wassup, Murder_freenodes |
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| 04:41.22 | notsure | Hello |
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| 04:45.54 | gangil | Hi , when I try to install synaptic , I get the following errror : http://pastie.org/994565 , can someone help me with this ? |
| 04:47.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | what version of debian is this |
| 04:47.30 | gangil | Lenny , 5 |
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| 04:47.34 | gangil | 5.0.1 |
| 04:47.46 | gangil | oh , 5.0.2 infact |
| 04:47.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | seems hard to believe |
| 04:49.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | these errors don't have anything to do with synaptic for one |
| 04:49.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | and these versions are really strange |
| 04:49.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions gnome-applets |
| 04:50.00 | judd | gnome-applets -- etch: 2.14.3-4; lenny: 2.22.3-3; sid: 2.30.0-1; squeeze: 2.30.0-1 |
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| 04:50.25 | CartoonCat | Hellos |
| 04:50.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions basero |
| 04:50.44 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'basero' was found. |
| 04:50.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions brasero |
| 04:50.53 | judd | brasero -- etch: 0.4.4-4; lenny: 0.8.0-3; sid: 2.30.1-1; squeeze: 2.30.1-1 |
| 04:51.01 | CartoonCat | I got a chalange for people. I have a laptop I want to install debian to, all it has for a KB is a 10key usb pad. Ideas? |
| 04:51.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | I mean... even etch had 2.14-3.4 and you have unmet dependencies because >=2.12.1-1 can't be fulfilled_ |
| 04:51.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | ? |
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| 04:52.12 | arbitrage | anyone here from georgia tech |
| 04:52.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | gangil, pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list ... you should run aptitude update; aptitude -f install ... but that doesn't explain how you got there |
| 04:52.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's not a challenge... |
| 04:52.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | !rube goldberg install |
| 04:52.53 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader. Wait, the card reader just fell on the floor and broke." |
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| 04:53.59 | jpinx-eeepc | CartoonCat: buy a usb keyboard ;) |
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| 04:56.36 | CartoonCat | jpinx-eeepc: obviously i am after the non obvious answer here, i have one, but can not find the puck for it, it must be at the other house, but id like to get this going tonight, while i have time |
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| 04:57.09 | CartoonCat | else i wont have free tme for a week or so |
| 04:57.16 | jpinx-eeepc | CartoonCat: that *was* the non-obvious answer ;) |
| 04:57.23 | gangil | CutMeOwnThroat: http://pastie.org/994573 |
| 04:57.53 | CartoonCat | jpinx-eeepc: not sure how that is non obvious but mmhk |
| 04:58.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | 503 Service Unavailable |
| 04:58.39 | jpinx-eeepc | CartoonCat: I also have a laptop with no kbd or OS, so I have tried .... |
| 04:58.40 | CartoonCat | do any of the installers automaticly bring up ssh? |
| 04:59.04 | jpinx-eeepc | CartoonCat: the best option for you is a live cd |
| 04:59.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | why don't you get an usb keyboard? It wasn't a bad suggestion... |
| 04:59.31 | CartoonCat | CutMeOwnThroat: Time |
| 04:59.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | I mean... the thing's rather useless without kb anyway |
| 04:59.39 | gangil | CutMeOwnThroat: ^ |
| 04:59.53 | CartoonCat | its going to be a network box, so it wil be fine with out one |
| 05:00.07 | CartoonCat | If I can not do something with it tonight, I will not have time to paly with it for a week or more |
| 05:00.21 | CartoonCat | namely, i wont BE at it to play with it |
| 05:01.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | gangil, this has pretty much everything but the lenny main repository ... |
| 05:01.29 | gangil | CutMeOwnThroat: and that is ? |
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| 05:02.12 | jpinx-eeepc | CartoonCat: as i said - a live cd might do it |
| 05:02.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | (and the server wasn't available for a while) you probably don't have the CD in the drive anymore, so you don't need that line anymore...the security line is fine, the next one is from testing... "welcome to testing, gangil" and volatile only has some special packages... |
| 05:02.33 | jpinx-eeepc | CartoonCat: but you still need to input some commands.... |
| 05:03.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | gangil, well, it _should_ say lenny (or stable) instead stead of "testing" in line 10 |
| 05:03.09 | CartoonCat | jpinx-eeepc: yea thats what i was thinking, if it would come up on dhcp automagic like, id be set |
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| 05:03.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | gangil, but now you probably already have an unknown amount of packages from testing installed on your machine |
| 05:03.26 | CartoonCat | mmm, is rdp/vnc enabled by default? |
| 05:03.46 | jpinx-eeepc | maybe you need a machine that reads sign-language :) |
| 05:04.28 | jpinx-eeepc | CartoonCat: dunno - different live cd's probably do different things - have fun finding out :D |
| 05:04.39 | CartoonCat | awe |
| 05:04.41 | l0de | rugged words of wisdom |
| 05:05.01 | CartoonCat | kinda hoping to bypass thedownloading and burning of 20 cd/dvds heh |
| 05:05.16 | jpinx-eeepc | CartoonCat: you are obviously not a n00b, so it'll be interesting to hear how you get on... |
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| 05:05.43 | CartoonCat | jpinx-eeepc: thanks lol |
| 05:05.48 | gangil | CutMeOwnThroat: can you pastebin , your sources.list , I can copy that |
| 05:05.52 | jpinx-eeepc | CartoonCat: take a look at the webpage docs for each live cd before downloading... |
| 05:05.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | CartoonCat, what's wrong with that 10-key thing anyway? It _is_ a keyboard... doesn't the installer recognize it? |
| 05:06.20 | CartoonCat | CutMeOwnThroat: well sure that works for SOME of the installer, but, doesnt do much for text |
| 05:06.42 | jpinx-eeepc | CartoonCat: thinking about the install process - you only need arrows and a return key maybe..... |
| 05:06.56 | CartoonCat | mmm, host name? |
| 05:07.06 | jpinx-eeepc | and you can give your hostname a number |
| 05:07.21 | jpinx-eeepc | you can change it late anyways |
| 05:07.28 | jpinx-eeepc | *later |
| 05:07.40 | CartoonCat | that feels like cheating ;-) |
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| 05:08.00 | jpinx-eeepc | CartoonCat: there is no sucj thing as cheating in thses situations :) |
| 05:08.02 | CartoonCat | and iirc the net-inst needed text for something else, i should fire that back up |
| 05:08.19 | jpinx-eeepc | yea - fire it up and lets see how it goes |
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| 05:08.56 | konr | Guys, what was the utility to install debian to a partition? |
| 05:09.12 | jpinx-eeepc | konr: the installer ? |
| 05:09.24 | konr | jpinx-eeepc: yes, but there was one that didn't require booting |
| 05:09.30 | konr | I have no blank CDs here :( |
| 05:09.36 | jpinx-eeepc | konr: or do you mean from an existing install? |
| 05:09.53 | jpinx-eeepc | konr: that might be debootstrap |
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| 05:09.58 | l0de | hey how do you think we can go about destroying the sun |
| 05:10.02 | konr | jpinx-eeepc: exactly! Thanks! |
| 05:10.21 | jpinx-eeepc | konr: np :) |
| 05:10.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | gangil, you don't want mine... first thing, add 'deb ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian lenny main contrib non-free' to your sources.list and run aptitude update;aptitude -f install |
| 05:10.23 | gangil | CutMeOwnThroat: I updated it http://pastie.org/994582 , still not able to install synaptic |
| 05:10.23 | l0de | let's just put all these minor concerns on hold. I mean, the sun is our real problem, right? |
| 05:10.37 | tuv | konr: you can use the iso and the hdmedia usb image, i you have a usb |
| 05:10.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | gangil, of course not, you're missing the main repository from stable, instead you have the main repository from testing in there... |
| 05:11.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's a bit as if you throw all types of metal bits and gasoline into a box and expect it to work as a motor |
| 05:12.00 | gangil | I changed it , have a loot http://pastie.org/994582 |
| 05:12.03 | gangil | *look |
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| 05:13.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | but that can still run into problems, because you (most probably) already have packages from testing and that means dependencies can crop up that can't be fulfilled from stable |
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| 05:21.15 | gangil | CutMeOwnThroat: then , what do I do to solve that ? |
| 05:21.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, right now, you probably need the testing main repository and the stable main repository |
| 05:22.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | and after you fixed the current error, you can think of upgrading to squeeze |
| 05:22.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually, you can install apt-show-versions and run apt-show-versions |egrep -v 'stable|lenny' - that will show you all packages thata are not in stable |
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| 05:24.28 | shazbotmcnasty | hi guys, I still have the problem with xflux - the error is still "./xflux: error while loading shared libraries: libXxf86vm.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" |
| 05:25.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | sounds familiar |
| 05:25.32 | shazbotmcnasty | yeah it should |
| 05:25.36 | shazbotmcnasty | I never got it fixed bro |
| 05:25.54 | CartoonCat | ok so yea, part of the issue is that the netinstall doesnt SEE the usb stuff hehe |
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| 05:26.48 | shazbotmcnasty | CutMeOwnThroat, this is the output of ldd: http://crunchbanglinux.org/pastebin/678 |
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| 05:27.12 | shazbotmcnasty | although everything there, that it says 'not found' is actually installed |
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| 05:27.41 | gangil | CutMeOwnThroat: also , here is what I get when I do aptitude update http://pastie.org/994588 , I dont think this looks good |
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| 05:28.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | gangil, well, your dns is broken |
| 05:28.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | shazbotmcnasty, well, we told you to re-run ldconfig |
| 05:28.40 | gangil | CutMeOwnThroat: how to correct it ? |
| 05:28.52 | shazbotmcnasty | yeah and i forgot where to find ldconfig |
| 05:29.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | you become root and it's in the path |
| 05:29.05 | shazbotmcnasty | I know i did though |
| 05:29.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | also, I think you plain had the wrong library installed in one case, and I told you so |
| 05:30.02 | shazbotmcnasty | CutMeOwnThroat, is it supposed to do anything, do i just run 'ldconfig' |
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| 05:30.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | or the wrong version |
| 05:30.13 | shazbotmcnasty | or 'ldconfig ./<binary>' or what |
| 05:30.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, just ldconfig |
| 05:30.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | ldconfig -v if you want to see what libraries it finds where |
| 05:31.28 | shazbotmcnasty | okay I've done that, and could you re-say what 'wrong library' I had then please? |
| 05:31.43 | shazbotmcnasty | I don't really know what ldconfig is or does... so am I supposed to be looking for something? |
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| 05:34.38 | shazbotmcnasty | :< |
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| 05:37.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | shazbotmcnasty, did it occur to you to run "man ldconfig" to find out? |
| 05:37.46 | shazbotmcnasty | cringed |
| 05:37.58 | shazbotmcnasty | I don't see why this channel blows so hard |
| 05:37.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | and I don't know anymore what I said... that was before the weekend... |
| 05:38.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | well... I mean... it only says in about sentence one of the manpage |
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| 05:39.43 | shazbotmcnasty | creates updates and moves... |
| 05:39.45 | shazbotmcnasty | yeah |
| 05:39.45 | shazbotmcnasty | k |
| 05:39.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | in short, it updates something like a database that enables the kernel to find the .so runtime libraries |
| 05:39.49 | shazbotmcnasty | I get that |
| 05:40.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | which is what you say ain't working |
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| 05:53.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | !apt-file |
| 05:53.21 | dpkg | i guess apt-file is a utility used to find which package owns a given file or list files in a package even if it's not installed: "aptitude install apt-file && apt-file update" ; then "apt-file search filename" to see a list of packages containing filename (can also use a regexp; see man apt-file). You can also search online; ask me about <pdo> <auto-apt> <dlocate> |
| 05:53.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | apt-file search libXxf86vm.so.1 |
| 05:53.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | ---> libxxf86vm1: /usr/lib/libXxf86vm.so.1 |
| 05:54.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | you said you have "libxxf86vm" installed or somesuch (don't see that name right now), which would be the wrong package |
| 05:56.07 | shazbotmcnasty | command not found |
| 05:56.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | sigh |
| 05:56.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | you didn't read the factoid |
| 05:56.44 | shazbotmcnasty | http://crunchbanglinux.org/pastebin/679 |
| 05:57.15 | shazbotmcnasty | I can't install it, I'm already installing something through apt |
| 05:57.18 | shazbotmcnasty | :I |
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| 05:57.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | you pasted that a couple of times |
| 05:57.33 | shazbotmcnasty | YES I FIXED IT |
| 05:57.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | it doesn't actually get more ineresting with time |
| 05:57.39 | shazbotmcnasty | oh must've been wrong one |
| 05:57.52 | shazbotmcnasty | not that's a different one |
| 05:57.58 | shazbotmcnasty | thanks for looking deeply |
| 05:58.02 | shazbotmcnasty | also I fixed it |
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| 06:00.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | are you going to say how, or is it too embarrassing |
| 06:00.40 | shazbotmcnasty | no it' snot |
| 06:00.47 | shazbotmcnasty | man you're rude |
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| 06:01.49 | shazbotmcnasty | I needed ia32-libs |
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| 06:04.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | I'm rude? |
| 06:04.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | for asking what it was? |
| 06:04.56 | shazbotmcnasty | maybe I continually read your comments in the wrong manne |
| 06:04.57 | shazbotmcnasty | manner |
| 06:05.06 | shazbotmcnasty | but the way I have been it seems rude :< |
| 06:05.14 | beardy | Maybe you shouldn't call yourself nasty. |
| 06:05.22 | courpse | lol. |
| 06:05.29 | shazbotmcnasty | nasty is my naem |
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| 06:05.42 | tenzind | is there a command to list all login details (including ssh logins) on my machine? |
| 06:06.04 | beardy | tenzind: 'last'? |
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| 06:06.59 | beardy | tenzind: Also 'lastlog', 'last' depends on wtmp, which is rotated weekly by default though. |
| 06:07.17 | tenzind | beardy, thanks |
| 06:08.08 | beardy | tenzind: You're welcome. |
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| 06:08.58 | tenzind | beardy, does last or lastlog show all the logins beginning from day 1 ? |
| 06:10.26 | beardy | tenzind: No, lastlog shows the last login, only the last one, for all users. last shows the logins for the past week. To see all, you'd have to grep through your /var/log/auth.log* for logins. |
| 06:11.12 | shazbotmcnasty | CutMeOwnThroat, what I meant was like " or is it too embarrassing" |
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| 06:18.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | I'd call that realistic... you've been at it for what... 5 days now? |
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| 06:19.07 | shazbotmcnasty | well I haven't been working on it this whole time |
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| 06:20.38 | tuv | i can't find one decent comparison between zabbix and opennms |
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| 06:27.44 | simonrvn | !tias |
| 06:27.44 | dpkg | TIAS is "Try It And See". |
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| 06:30.56 | tuv | simonrvn: TMT |
| 06:31.06 | tuv | explains: Too Much Trouble |
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| 06:32.23 | simonrvn | heh |
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| 06:33.02 | tuv | simonrvn: i tried them, but it's never the same as a real environment, and it takes a long time to really evaluate such complex systems |
| 06:33.15 | jpinx | lastlog CartoonCat |
| 06:33.47 | simonrvn | true 'nough |
| 06:34.27 | jpinx | ho hum - no action there - time for lunch. |
| 06:35.35 | simonrvn | jpinx: "you can pick your friends, you can pick your nose, but you can't pick your friend's nose" |
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| 06:35.55 | tuv | simonrvn: thankfully |
| 06:35.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | tuv, you meant !mttiw :-P |
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| 06:36.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | gotta work on that bot-fu |
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| 06:37.10 | simonrvn | !mttiw |
| 06:37.10 | dpkg | hmm... mttiw is more trouble than it's worth |
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| 06:38.06 | jarick | !idgaf |
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| 06:38.12 | jarick | :( |
| 06:38.19 | rtronk1 | what iso do i need to install just debian |
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| 06:38.29 | streuner_ | !netinstall |
| 06:38.29 | dpkg | [netinst] a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ See also <check iso image>, <dialup install>, <usb install>, <installer>. |
| 06:38.30 | jarick | rtronk1: Define "Just debian" |
| 06:38.54 | rtronk1 | well im going to install it in a virtual pc as a fake vps on my windows desktop machine |
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| 06:38.55 | streuner_ | rtronk1: please read ig (install guide) too - /msg dpkg ig |
| 06:38.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | dun't matter, netinstall is it :-P |
| 06:38.58 | simonrvn | the first one, or one of the smaller isos... it's all "just debian", so EPARSE |
| 06:39.17 | bleepbloop | I have a couple of super noob qeustions |
| 06:39.55 | simonrvn | i have a couple of supernoob answers. here's the other one. |
| 06:40.14 | rtronk1 | so again |
| 06:40.17 | rtronk1 | which cd do i need? |
| 06:40.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | I thought streuner answered that |
| 06:40.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | or let dpkg do so |
| 06:40.46 | simonrvn | 5 people answered... |
| 06:40.48 | streuner_ | dpkg, tell rtronk1 about netinstall |
| 06:41.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | simonrvn, so it was a !poll, really! |
| 06:41.51 | tuv | CutMeOwnThroat: oh i think it's worth the trouble. i just don't think i can get to useful results given my resources |
| 06:44.08 | user_ | when will mkfs.ext3 in squeeze work again? |
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| 06:48.45 | tuv | user_: tell me about it. looks like it's still going to be a while. at least 5 days. i refresh this page every hour http://packages.qa.debian.org/e/e2fsprogs.html |
| 06:48.55 | lindi- | user_: there's a bug? |
| 06:49.21 | tuv | lindi-: 583551 is the number. or one of them |
| 06:49.44 | lindi- | argh |
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| 06:50.14 | user_ | tuv: thanks. most annoying |
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| 06:50.18 | tuv | user_: my temporary (dangerous) workaround is to install libblkid1 from unstable |
| 06:50.22 | lindi- | I wish there was time to write some sort of automated testsuite for packages so that bugs could be automatically filed before they enter testing |
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| 06:51.45 | simonrvn | sounds like a project |
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| 07:01.57 | lindi- | there have been such efforts but it requires a lot of time |
| 07:02.12 | lindi- | piuparts is running 24/7 at least afaik |
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| 07:11.18 | gangil | Hi , someone please help me , this is my /etc/sources.list http://pastie.org/994582 but still I am unable to install any packages ( I did aptitude update after editing sources.list) |
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| 07:15.25 | Bushmills | you forgot to say *why* you're unable to install any packages. arthritic fingers? power brownout? |
| 07:16.22 | mgiammarco | I am using debian testing and I want to use network bonding. I follow tutorial in wiki.debian.org and it does not work. Is it a bug? Where is a good tutorial? |
| 07:16.34 | gangil | debian:/home/gangil# apt-get install synaptic Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done Package synaptic is not available, but is referred to by another package. This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source E: Package synaptic has no installation candidate |
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| 07:18.51 | Bushmills | gangil: what does apt-cache search .|wc -l show? |
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| 07:20.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | because he didn't have the lenny main repository in his sources.list but instead testing and was mixing |
| 07:20.23 | gangil | debian:/home/gangil# apt-cache search .|wc -l |
| 07:20.28 | gangil | 698 |
| 07:21.08 | gangil | CutMeOwnThroat: I did a fresh reinstall od lenny then |
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| 07:21.35 | Bushmills | do apt-get update, then repeat the above command |
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| 07:21.59 | linduxed | 1. is there a way to check which packages were installed/upgraded in the last 20 hours? |
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| 07:22.38 | linduxed | 2. is there a way to make a "remove this package, but only if no other package depends on it" type of command? |
| 07:22.39 | Bushmills | linduxed: logs in /var/log |
| 07:23.07 | lindi- | linduxed: /var/log/dpkg.log |
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| 07:23.24 | lindi- | linduxed: 2) aptitude markauto foo |
| 07:23.25 | linduxed | Bushmills: lindi- : will check |
| 07:23.28 | Bushmills | aptitude, or /apt/* should do |
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| 07:25.19 | dv- | What is the config file where I set which daemons are started at boot? |
| 07:25.35 | kmels | I think PPP support was not included in my system configuration. Reading bug #263079, says that if I don't have /sys/class/ppp/ppp/dev my kernel is old, I don't. uname -r gives '2.6.18-164.11.1.el5.028stab068.5' should I update the kernel? |
| 07:26.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, that was commendably quick, then |
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| 07:27.10 | lindi- | dv-: lenny? |
| 07:27.11 | Bushmills | dv-: /etc/rc*.d |
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| 07:27.21 | dv- | lindi-: testing |
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| 07:27.42 | Peedrpo | Hi. What would be easiest way to route all traffic from my N900 to Debian server and from there outside? |
| 07:28.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | 'not' |
| 07:28.37 | Bushmills | dv-: or /etc/runlevels.conf when file-rc has been installed |
| 07:28.46 | fluffymuffins | hello, i just got an error while trying to install world of warcraft trial. it is telling me that C:\'Program Files'\ is an invalid path, same with any other path i select. |
| 07:29.36 | fluffymuffins | wine 1.0.1-2-5 |
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| 07:30.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps ask #winehq on irc.freenode.net? |
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| 07:30.15 | Bushmills | apt-get install warcraft-trial? |
| 07:30.15 | fluffymuffins | mmmk |
| 07:30.15 | dv- | Bushmills: Looks nice. Do you think it's safe to install? |
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| 07:31.01 | Bushmills | as it has been around for many years, even hitting stable, I assume so |
| 07:31.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | what repo's that supposed to be in |
| 07:31.22 | fluffymuffins | Bushmills, is there even a repo for wine??? i did not know about this |
| 07:31.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's 'freecraft' |
| 07:32.06 | fluffymuffins | is that a repo? |
| 07:32.10 | Bushmills | fluffymuffins: no, was a question, to create the link between warcraft and debian. i assumed you had it installed as debian package |
| 07:32.25 | fluffymuffins | no, its all wine |
| 07:33.04 | Bushmills | ask the creators to provide a debian package then, maybe? |
| 07:33.09 | fluffymuffins | there is no source or deb package available, that i am aware of, for WoW |
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| 07:34.30 | fluffymuffins | Bushmills, though it is not impossibile, i mean, it is very possibile to take the mac .dmg and make that into source, though i will not do all that for freakin WoW. |
| 07:35.44 | Bushmills | but it would make sense to try to obtain a debian package, because then maybe people on debian would have some idea why that debian package causes problems |
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| 07:38.17 | Muffin | Hello. I'm having trouble removing a package. It's giving me an error: "gpg: [key] not found: eof" |
| 07:38.43 | Muffin | Basically, I don't care if the key is present or legit or what...I'm trying to remove the package. |
| 07:38.54 | Muffin | dpkg --force-all does not force it to ignore this missing key. |
| 07:38.54 | dpkg | Muffin: I don't know, could you explain it? |
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| 07:39.37 | fluffymuffins | Muffin: i like your nick ^_^ |
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| 07:40.46 | dv- | Bushmills: thanks |
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| 07:41.01 | Bushmills | yw |
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| 07:41.24 | linduxed | ok so ive got a <CR> separated list of packages that i'd like to downgraded, how do i go about doing that? |
| 07:41.34 | Muffin | fluffymuffins: Why thank you! |
| 07:41.40 | linduxed | can i pipe the list into aptitude install ? |
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| 07:41.58 | Muffin | fluffymuffins: I had a friend named Fluffy back in undergrad...we played bridge under the team name "Fluffy Muffin." We were the coolest until Sara and Lee teamed up. |
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| 07:43.30 | bleepbloop | I dont have my ethernet cable plugged in, and I keep getting "eth0: switching to forced 10bt" while I'm in the middle of typing something, and the solutions on google aren't really helping or making any sense, how can I keep this message from popping up every 5 seconds? |
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| 07:44.34 | fluffymuffins | Muffin: LMAO love it. i hope to see you on freenode more often |
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| 07:44.48 | Muffin | :) |
| 07:44.58 | Muffin | ...that said, any idea of how to force-remove a package? |
| 07:45.50 | Bushmills | tried to dpkg -P? |
| 07:46.03 | fluffymuffins | have you tried the simple rm command under a root shell? |
| 07:46.15 | Muffin | Bushmills: Yes, that is what gives me the error. |
| 07:46.25 | Muffin | fluffymuffins: Force-remove a package, as with dpkg -P. |
| 07:46.30 | Muffin | Not to just delete a file. |
| 07:46.54 | linduxed | basically i'd like to have aptitude read a file filled with packages |
| 07:47.28 | Bushmills | try to aptitude or apt-get reinstall it |
| 07:47.28 | Bushmills | purge it again, then |
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| 07:48.08 | Muffin | Bushmills: It will not purge. Purging throws this error. |
| 07:48.32 | jpinx-eeepc | Muffin: you really should stick with aptitude and it's force options if you can |
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| 07:48.35 | Muffin | See http://pastebin.com/NSQYz1MX |
| 07:49.13 | k\t | anyone having a problem with ntp? |
| 07:49.31 | fluffymuffins | Muffin: misunderstood, mybad |
| 07:49.33 | k\t | line 449: segmentation fault on "${INITDPREFIX}${INITSCRIPTID}" "${saction}" "$@" |
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| 07:50.08 | k\t | :well, that actual line is: /usr/sbin/invoke-rc.d: line 449: 4691 Segmentation fault "${INITDPREFIX}${INITSCRIPTID}" "${saction}" "$@" |
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| 07:52.23 | jpinx-eeepc | Muffin: what is the output from aptitude purge pidgin-ppa |
| 07:53.14 | Muffin | jpinx-eeepc: Almost exactly the same. |
| 07:53.24 | Muffin | jpinx-eeepc: http://pastebin.com/dcUkwxcj |
| 07:53.28 | Bushmills | what does ls -l /var/lib/dpkg/info/pidgin-ppa.postrm show? |
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| 07:54.17 | Muffin | Bushmills: The file... |
| 07:54.50 | Muffin | Bushmills: |
| 07:54.54 | Muffin | Bushmills: Awesome. |
| 07:55.07 | Muffin | Bushmills: I editd the file, removed the "del" command, and it worked fine. Many thanks! |
| 07:56.36 | Bushmills | file a bug report, to not let success of deinstallation to depend on success of removal of file |
| 07:57.29 | stockholm | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:57.34 | stockholm | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:57.46 | simonrvn | s, ,, |
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| 07:59.05 | k\t | nvm. |
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| 08:01.36 | K0JIbKA | Hi all! |
| 08:01.42 | {g} | Hello Debian! Is it possible to nice or denice a running process while it is already running? And how do you find out the current niceness of a process? |
| 08:02.14 | lindi- | {g}: run the command "apropos nice" :) |
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| 08:02.40 | simonrvn | yes. users can only nice "slower", root can nice "faster" and to negative numbers too. |
| 08:02.50 | simonrvn | renice |
| 08:03.13 | {g} | simonrvn: thanky.. lwt me read it |
| 08:03.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | "top" for example |
| 08:03.40 | simonrvn | any number of ps tools can display that info |
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| 08:05.30 | {g} | lindi-, simonrvn: and how do i find out the current niceness? |
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| 08:06.34 | lindi- | {g}: "man ps" look for nice. there's an example on using those fields 'For example: ps -eo pid,user,args --sort user' -- just use "nice" as one of the column names |
| 08:08.29 | {g} | lindi-: what do you mean with "just use nice as one of the column tables"? |
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| 08:10.56 | karme | {g}: ps -p <SOMEPID> -o nice |
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| 08:13.05 | madm1ke | hi, is there a way to apt-pin a number of packages with a wildcard package name? "Package: prefix-*" doesn't seem to work. |
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| 08:22.15 | mikoki | anyone here that knows how to build a dev package for a library? |
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| 08:24.28 | mikoki | used dh_make to create the scripts for the regular package, but can't figure out how to create one that includes the development headers |
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| 08:31.01 | flo` | hi |
| 08:31.22 | jpinx-eeepc | indeed |
| 08:31.33 | flo` | what do i have to do to get a shell in the initrd instead of mounting the root fs? |
| 08:31.51 | flo` | i'd like to mount the root fs on my own. is that possible? |
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| 08:32.11 | flo` | or would i need to modify the initrd? |
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| 08:33.49 | lindi- | flo`: pass the kernel parameter break=mount |
| 08:34.07 | lindi- | flo`: it'll drop you to shell just before mount |
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| 08:34.26 | flo` | when i leave that shell, will it mount then? |
| 08:34.37 | lindi- | flo`: it'll continue from where it left off |
| 08:35.06 | lindi- | flo`: but you can modify the variables it uses to mount the fs to make it run the mount command line you want |
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| 08:35.18 | flo` | but as i'm doing the mount on my own, it's not necessary (or even could crash, i dunno) to mount again |
| 08:35.19 | lindi- | flo`: just echo the variables to /conf/param.conf |
| 08:35.34 | lindi- | flo`: don't do the mount yourself. only modify the parameters so that initramfs will do the mount like you want |
| 08:35.48 | flo` | i need to do it myself. i want to build a union |
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| 08:36.12 | lindi- | flo`: i have used fusecompress as rootfs like this |
| 08:36.19 | flo` | rootpartition -> /tmp/1, tmpfs -> /tmp/2, and rootfs should be a union of /tmp/1 and 2 |
| 08:36.36 | lindi- | flo`: how many mount commands is that, three? |
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| 08:37.12 | flo` | five. i'd like to mount --bind tmp/1 and 2 into /newroot/foo/ |
| 08:37.25 | lindi- | flo`: do four mounts yourself and let initramfs do the last one |
| 08:37.38 | lindi- | flo`: what would be the fifth mount command? |
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| 08:38.22 | flo` | 1=mount tmpfs, 2=mount rootpartition, 3=build union, 4=mount --move tmpfs, 5=mount --move rootpartition |
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| 08:38.52 | lindi- | flo`: iki.fi/lindi/darcs/ramroot/scripts/local-premount might give you an idea on how to setup such a hook |
| 08:39.22 | lindi- | flo`: just dropping it to /etc/initramfs-tools/scripts/local-premount/ will activate it |
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| 08:39.43 | flo` | thanks |
| 08:39.57 | valentin_ | everytime i try to install something i get the warning message that not trust-worthy versions of packages are going to be installed - how can i remove this message from aptitude? |
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| 08:40.28 | lindi- | flo`: feel free /msg if you need help later. i'm always interested in odd initramfs hacks :) |
| 08:40.37 | flo` | valentin_, install the keyring. |
| 08:40.40 | themill | dpkg: tell valentin_ about secure apt |
| 08:40.56 | valentin_ | aptitude install debian-keyring? |
| 08:40.59 | flo` | lindi-, thanks ;) |
| 08:41.19 | themill | valentin_: debian-archive-keyring more likely. |
| 08:41.21 | lindi- | flo`: you can make debugging a lot easier by using iki.fi/lindi/darcs/vtgrab-initramfs to allow remote access to your screen and keyboard during boot process |
| 08:42.04 | flo` | afk... cu later ;) |
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| 08:50.49 | dv- | I rebooted my debian server and can no longer get sshfs working from my laptop. ssh works fine, but sshfs just hangs after the password prompt. I have the fuse module loaded, what else do I need? |
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| 09:11.21 | loopidity | is there a precise way to find the length of my internet connection time? |
| 09:11.23 | WormFood | what do I need to do, to make debian hibernate on my desktop computer? I believe it was complaining about my nvidia drivers |
| 09:11.32 | WormFood | loopidity, how are you connecting? |
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| 09:11.54 | loopidity | i have a HDSPA connection (with a flash drive using ppp). |
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| 09:12.05 | loopidity | my problem is i cant exceed certain hrs else I will have to pay a lot |
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| 09:12.51 | WormFood | with ppp, I believe it will write a file or something |
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| 09:14.30 | WormFood | I haven't used ppp in so long |
| 09:15.20 | loopidity | hmm.. so now i know it is atleat possible |
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| 09:16.25 | grand_grunt | loopidity: You can call pppd manually, with "pppd call provider_name", kill it with kill, and manage that with a script |
| 09:16.28 | WormFood | yeah, you can tell ppp to touch a file, then look at the time stamp |
| 09:17.47 | dv- | Solved it. Thanks anyway |
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| 09:18.44 | \\localhost | Hi there, i would like to know if a directory called "interfaces.d" is sourced by the network scripts in debian ? |
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| 09:18.55 | loopidity | grand_grunt where would be the exact providers name |
| 09:19.17 | ethanol | mornin' people |
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| 09:20.28 | \\localhost | I'm asking because i would like to have one configuration file per interface, is this possible in debian ? |
| 09:20.56 | grand_grunt | loopidity: in /etc/ppp/peers |
| 09:21.06 | ansgar | \\localhost: No. |
| 09:21.07 | Pjom | Can someone help me with downgrading my python support? I have this "error" liguidsoap: Depends: python-support (>= 0.90.0) but 0.8.4lenny1 is to be installed |
| 09:21.19 | jelly | ,versions liguidsoap |
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| 09:21.20 | judd | liguidsoap -- lenny: 0.3.6-4+lenny1; lenny-security: 0.3.6-4+lenny1; lenny-backports: 0.9.2-1~bpo50+3; sid: 0.9.2-3; squeeze: 0.9.2-3 |
| 09:21.35 | \\localhost | ansgar: oh, i see, ok ,thanks you |
| 09:21.44 | jelly | Pjom: are you trying to install a package version not from your installed release? |
| 09:21.52 | Pjom | i have no idea |
| 09:21.59 | Pjom | i try to install it from the package manager |
| 09:22.14 | grand_grunt | There is a config file for each provider, configure it with "pppoeconf" |
| 09:22.37 | grand_grunt | loopidity: is your ppp access already configured? |
| 09:23.16 | Pjom | should be possible at lenny i read |
| 09:23.17 | jelly | Pjom: pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list file, output of "dpkg -l libc6 python-minimal python-support liguidsoap" and "apt-cache policy python-support liguidsoap" |
| 09:23.20 | loopidity | grand_grunt I am confused, i have a HDSPA/UTMS connection through USB, which was actually meant for windows |
| 09:23.32 | loopidity | then i installed smthg and it works on Ubuntu, |
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| 09:23.41 | loopidity | but I have to restarta couple of times to make it work |
| 09:23.49 | WormFood | what do I need to do, to make debian hibernate on my desktop computer? I believe it was complaining about my nvidia drivers. Do I need to exit X11, and unload my nvidia driver to make it hibernate? |
| 09:24.01 | loopidity | and ifcongif gives me both usb0 and ppp0 |
| 09:24.08 | loopidity | so what kind of connection do i have |
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| 09:24.30 | Pjom | my sources |
| 09:24.31 | Pjom | http://pastebin.com/HuFVQWmC |
| 09:24.40 | grand_grunt | Ok, so it's configured up I guess (does it work?). Paste your /etc/network/interfaces file (in pastebin), loopidity |
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| 09:25.31 | Pjom | jelly: http://pastebin.com/aMttpTqC |
| 09:25.35 | Pjom | this is everything u asked for |
| 09:25.55 | flixil | When I connect an ipod, I get an icon on the desk (gnome), but I don't see it in /media ... Where can it be mounted? When typing mount i get "fusectl on /sys/fs/fuse/connections type fusectl (rw)" (maybe relevant) |
| 09:26.15 | Bushmills | loopidity: umts usb modem are usually serial modem, connected through a serial<>usb adapter, and through module usbserial |
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| 09:26.44 | loopidity | grand_grunt |
| 09:26.46 | loopidity | auto lo |
| 09:26.47 | loopidity | iface lo inet loopback |
| 09:26.47 | Bushmills | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:28.00 | loopidity | ok let me check |
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| 09:28.22 | jelly | Pjom: what happens if you explicitely ask for "aptitude install liguidsoap=0.9.2-1~bpo50+3" |
| 09:28.50 | Pjom | ah lol it works now |
| 09:28.57 | Pjom | atleast, it is installing |
| 09:29.09 | loopidity | Bushmills there are so many tty |
| 09:29.27 | Bushmills | but there aren't so many ttyUSB* |
| 09:29.41 | loopidity | ther are none ttyUSB* |
| 09:29.53 | Pjom | jelly: thnx |
| 09:29.59 | jelly | Pjom: also, I'd comment out or remove line 6 if the packages from backports.org are good enough |
| 09:30.08 | loopidity | ifconfig gives me ppp0 usb0 |
| 09:30.41 | Bushmills | usb0 is what for example usbnet gives you |
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| 09:30.53 | grand_grunt | loopidity: and "/etc/network/interfaces" doesn't talk about ppp or something? |
| 09:30.54 | Pjom | k :) well its only a test server at the moment to see how the software works |
| 09:31.07 | jelly | Pjom: read the instructions at backports.org to see how to tune apt to always fetch (newer versions of) liguidsoap from backports.org |
| 09:31.34 | Bushmills | check lsmod|grep usbnet |
| 09:31.41 | loopidity | grand_grunt nop |
| 09:31.49 | Pjom | jelly: ok thnx |
| 09:32.22 | loopidity | lsmod | grep usbnet -- usbnet 18052 1 cdc_ether --mii 5237 1 usbnet-- |
| 09:32.35 | loopidity | should i pastebin it? |
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| 09:32.55 | Bushmills | knowing that usbnet module is loaded should be enough |
| 09:33.12 | loopidity | ok |
| 09:33.21 | loopidity | so what kind of connection do i have then |
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| 09:33.40 | loopidity | /etc/net../int.. doesnt say ppp0 or usb0 |
| 09:34.26 | grand_grunt | loopidity: Seems it got configured through a GUI tool that does it's own nasty business |
| 09:34.49 | Bushmills | ppp0 is the tunneled interface, used to talk to the internet gateway. usb0 is the interface the computer talks to your modem |
| 09:34.51 | grand_grunt | Will be hard to handle then |
| 09:36.03 | loopidity | i did install some 3rd party packages |
| 09:36.23 | grand_grunt | drivers? |
| 09:36.45 | loopidity | dont really know, the drives that came with it works for only windows |
| 09:36.57 | loopidity | so the drivers i have must be from 3rd party |
| 09:37.36 | Bushmills | i think you need a chat script for ppp connection |
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| 09:38.49 | loopidity | is ther some discussion/tutorial online? |
| 09:40.42 | loopidity | ozerocdoff_0.4_i386.deb<--> usb-modeswitch_0.9.7_i386.deb <--> vodafone-mobile-connect_svn20090615_all.deb |
| 09:40.50 | loopidity | the softwares i installed |
| 09:41.11 | Bushmills | what usb stick is that? |
| 09:41.19 | Bushmills | huawei stick? |
| 09:41.20 | loopidity | it is Wind |
| 09:41.22 | jelly | usb-modeswitch is available in debian as well |
| 09:41.25 | loopidity | if u now what that is |
| 09:41.46 | jelly | loopidity: what does lsusb say about that piece of hardware? |
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| 09:42.49 | loopidity | http://pastebin.com/CARVMNXr |
| 09:42.56 | loopidity | nothing that obvious |
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| 09:43.28 | loopidity | this usb stick is modem+mem card |
| 09:43.43 | jelly | loopidity: unplug; look at lsusb; plug it back, see which devices belong to it |
| 09:44.06 | loopidity | oops, i will loose my connection then. wont i |
| 09:44.14 | loopidity | just a min |
| 09:44.17 | jelly | definitely ;-) |
| 09:44.55 | loopidity | but problem is i have hard time reconnecting it :( at least 2 tries with a restart |
| 09:45.05 | jelly | loopidity: or just take a look at dmesg (/var/log/kern.log) lines around the time you plugged it in |
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| 09:45.20 | rascal999 | how do i upgrade to unstable? |
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| 09:45.48 | jelly | rascal999: if you have to ask, you'd better not -- unstable is used to fix bugs in Debian |
| 09:46.03 | nsadmin | it's not really an upgrade either |
| 09:46.15 | jelly | dpkg, tell rascal999 about sid |
| 09:46.32 | rascal999 | I need a later version of vlc so i can net stream |
| 09:46.39 | tau | hey, i have the debian installed i use just gnome i have tried to watch some movies from the internet by using the browser but i don't get it warn that no there is the pluggins. what are the plugins ? |
| 09:46.47 | nsadmin | then compile one |
| 09:46.56 | jelly | ,versions vlc |
| 09:46.57 | judd | vlc -- etch: 0.8.6-svn20061012.debian-5.1+etch3; etch-security: 0.8.6-svn20061012.debian-5.1+etch3; lenny: 0.8.6.h-4+lenny2; lenny-security: 0.8.6.h-4+lenny2.3; sid: 1.0.6-1; squeeze: 1.0.6-1 |
| 09:47.23 | _Dave123_ | I am connecting to a Proftpd on a server, 192.168.1.100 , this ip is forwarded to 190.1.1.1 (external ip) with a ssh reverse tunnel.. However, with FTP more than 1 port is needed always right? any ways to be able to successfully use FTP this way? The FTP Plugin on the Text editor I use does not support SCP.. |
| 09:47.55 | nsadmin | not sure about passive ftp |
| 09:48.17 | jelly | _Dave123_: you won't be able to transfer data that way |
| 09:48.41 | _Dave123_ | so.. like absolutely technically impossible to use the FTP protocol this way? |
| 09:49.10 | jelly | _Dave123_: yeah, you pretty much need a router that knows how to NAT ftp properly |
| 09:49.32 | _Dave123_ | For one time, it used to work THIS way |
| 09:49.33 | nsadmin | see if the editor can have a scp plugin |
| 09:49.36 | nsadmin | OR |
| 09:49.38 | _Dave123_ | It doesn't |
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| 09:49.45 | nsadmin | scp manually |
| 09:50.07 | jelly | _Dave123_: sftp is another ssh based option |
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| 09:50.36 | nsadmin | which uses ssh as underlying protocol |
| 09:50.38 | jelly | webdav would also work (http is one port as well) |
| 09:50.47 | Bushmills | or even sshfs mount the remote volume |
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| 09:50.58 | jelly | Bushmills: is there sshfs for windows? |
| 09:51.11 | nsadmin | tries to pronounce sshfs |
| 09:51.33 | _Dave123_ | I just need some way to transfer for notepad ++ |
| 09:51.41 | Bushmills | how would i know. i'd have to google "windows" first to find out what *that* is |
| 09:51.59 | jelly | no need to act dumb |
| 09:52.08 | gangil | how do I get my internet working on lenny , I am running it in a vmplayer , though ping www.google.com responds , but I browse the net in browser |
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| 09:52.50 | nsadmin | if ping works, your internet should work |
| 09:53.06 | nsadmin | perhaps something else is wrong |
| 09:54.05 | gangil | like this is the output to ping www.google.com http://pastebin.com/4pV6dgHH , so I suppose it works |
| 09:54.37 | jelly | _Dave123_: use a separate sftp or scp tool (WinSCP or whatever)? |
| 09:54.47 | nsadmin | _Dave123_, these remote files you're editing, what are they for? |
| 09:54.50 | _Dave123_ | Yes, but I am editing a lot code |
| 09:54.55 | _Dave123_ | php scripts |
| 09:55.01 | _Dave123_ | a lot different files |
| 09:55.09 | _Dave123_ | need to edit stuff live |
| 09:55.55 | nsadmin | if you're doing a lot of coding, you might prefer an os (such as debian) which supports coding more robustly and more intelligently |
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| 09:56.32 | nsadmin | what os is the remote running? |
| 09:56.49 | _Dave123_ | Debian |
| 09:56.59 | nkuttler | _Dave123_: just ssh into the box and do your work there then |
| 09:57.01 | _Dave123_ | and I know I can edit with VIM etc |
| 09:57.10 | _Dave123_ | but just am bit more used to notepad++ when coding large |
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| 09:57.51 | nsadmin | additionally you could potentially run the entire application at home |
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| 09:58.30 | gangil | nsadmin: even though ping is working , when I do aptitude update , it gives me the foloowing errors : http://pastebin.com/3LaUWjcf |
| 09:58.39 | Bushmills | _Dave123_: use an encrypted tunnel between desktop machine and server, maybe using openvpn. then export the remote directories which something you can mount on your desktop machine |
| 09:58.57 | Bushmills | result is that remote directories will look like local directories |
| 09:59.09 | _Dave123_ | yes could be option Bushmills |
| 09:59.15 | _Dave123_ | but i prefer ftp editing |
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| 09:59.39 | nsadmin | Dave... |
| 09:59.48 | nkuttler | _Dave123_: you most certainly don't. why do you think you do? |
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| 10:01.27 | nsadmin | this debian server, is it under your control? |
| 10:02.03 | jelly | ooh, fuse for windows (also sshfs): http://dokan-dev.net/en/download/ |
| 10:02.05 | nkuttler | gangil: is there another apt/dpkg procdess running? |
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| 10:02.23 | nsadmin | wasa fuze? |
| 10:03.00 | jelly | nsadmin: backend for userspace filesystem drivers (sshfs is an example) |
| 10:03.04 | jelly | !fuse |
| 10:03.05 | dpkg | FUSE is a userspace filesystem framework, enabling mounting of various exotic filesystems like <ntfs-3g>, Samba shares, tar files, FTP sites etc. Included in the mainline Linux kernel at 2.6.14. For a FUSE filesystem list, see http://wiki.debian.org/FileSystem#FUSEFilesystem . http://apps.sf.net/mediawiki/fuse/?title=FAQ http://fuse.sf.net/ ##fuse on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 10:04.17 | _Dave123_ | nkuttler: because it works practically navigating through fiels on the right |
| 10:04.21 | _Dave123_ | instead of opening them |
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| 10:04.44 | _Dave123_ | nsadmin: yes |
| 10:04.51 | _Dave123_ | nsadmin: its under my control |
| 10:05.16 | nsadmin | then I just want you to notice you have a hell of a lot of choices |
| 10:05.33 | _Dave123_ | also some ftp related? |
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| 10:05.45 | nkuttler | ... |
| 10:05.46 | gangil | nsadmin: there were now I killed them , I will run aptitude update again |
| 10:06.06 | nsadmin | what was runnin? |
| 10:06.19 | nkuttler | _Dave123_: can't your editor display "fiels on the right" if they are on your local box? |
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| 10:07.02 | _Dave123_ | no |
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| 10:07.11 | _Dave123_ | i wish it could then the problem would be solved |
| 10:07.39 | gangil | nsadmin: still the same problem |
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| 10:08.19 | nsadmin | what was running, and how did you get more than one process going, it should prevent that |
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| 10:09.10 | _Dave123_ | is there really no way to open / forward another port for ftpd? |
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| 10:09.55 | nkuttler | _Dave123_: what do you mean? you can run the ftpd on whatever port you want |
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| 10:14.09 | nsadmin | why set up this tunneling arrangement in the first place? |
| 10:16.27 | jelly | _Dave123_: do you have administrative access on the internet accessible machine? |
| 10:16.33 | _Dave123_ | jelly: yes |
| 10:17.10 | nsadmin | is the server behind a nat? |
| 10:17.11 | jelly | _Dave123_: is it on the same network segment as the destination server? |
| 10:17.18 | nsadmin | or is it just the client |
| 10:17.56 | jelly | nsadmin: [11:47] <_Dave123_> I am connecting to a Proftpd on a server, 192.168.1.100 , this ip is forwarded to 190.1.1.1 (external ip) with a ssh reverse tunnel.. However, with FTP more than 1 port is needed always right? any ways to be able to successfully use FTP this way? The FTP Plugin on the Text editor I use does not support SCP.. |
| 10:18.04 | _Dave123_ | jelly: no, server 190.1.1.1 (external is a leaseweb server, dedicated server) - server 192.168.1.100 is a debian server which connects to 190.1.1.1 |
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| 10:18.40 | _Dave123_ | the leaseweb server can open any port |
| 10:18.50 | jelly | _Dave123_: you can't establish a proper vpn between them? |
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| 10:18.58 | _Dave123_ | not know how |
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| 10:20.10 | nsadmin | so I'm not quite understanding your original statement |
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| 10:20.56 | nsadmin | how far (in miles or feet) is 192.168.1.100 from you? |
| 10:21.17 | _Dave123_ | ok, destination server, is on 192.168.1.100 (which has router 192.168.1.1 which CANNOT open any ports) which has as outside address ip.ip.ip.ip (ADSL ADDRESS) |
| 10:21.37 | _Dave123_ | I connect from 192.168.1.100 (did when i am at location) to 190.1.1.1 |
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| 10:22.09 | _Dave123_ | and open various ssh tunnels on 190.1.1.1 for services like http, ssh, vnc ,and FTP |
| 10:22.10 | jelly | nsadmin: server C (192.168.1.100) has ssh -R xxx21:localhost:21 B (190.1.1.1) running; client A is connecting to ftp at server B, port xxx21 |
| 10:22.21 | Wilthril | hi guys |
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| 10:22.51 | jelly | _Dave123_: set up webdav at 192.168.1.100 and use that for file access |
| 10:23.02 | Wilthril | do you know if gparted can resize a bootable windows server 2008 partition? |
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| 10:23.29 | karsten | How do I copy a file that's open by another process, but deleted? |
| 10:23.31 | _Dave123_ | jelly: whats that? |
| 10:23.36 | karsten | Is its filehandle still around? |
| 10:23.49 | _Dave123_ | really no way to force ProFTPD to only use 1 port? |
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| 10:23.52 | _Dave123_ | or 2 ports? |
| 10:23.56 | cantido | karsten: Isn't that in /proc somewhere? |
| 10:23.59 | jelly | karsten: take a look at /proc/PID/fd |
| 10:24.13 | karsten | jelly: Yeah, that worked. |
| 10:24.21 | karsten | Actually, that's how I knew where it was. |
| 10:24.34 | karsten | I just copied the /proc/<pid>/fd/## file. |
| 10:24.47 | karsten | Flash 10 deletes videos on download, but keeps the filehandle open. |
| 10:24.54 | karsten | Fucking Adobie bastards. |
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| 10:25.26 | karsten | Hrm. No, not that one... |
| 10:25.43 | cantido | karsten: use firebug or something to grab the file |
| 10:25.54 | jelly | _Dave123_: there may be a way, but it seems noone in the channel knows how to do that |
| 10:25.59 | cantido | karsten: flash uses the browsers functions for getting files etc |
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| 10:26.28 | cantido | _Dave123_: Passive mode might work with only one port |
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| 10:27.37 | jelly | _Dave123_: webdav is a file share-like protocol over http, natively supported in MacOSX; there's probably a free client for Windows or two |
| 10:27.39 | _Dave123_ | cantido: it used to work for 1 min! |
| 10:27.43 | _Dave123_ | thats the whole thing i dont understand |
| 10:27.46 | _Dave123_ | this way it used to work ! |
| 10:28.26 | cantido | _Dave123_: sure the client doesn't try switching out of passive mode? |
| 10:28.40 | _Dave123_ | cantido: how do you mean/ |
| 10:29.19 | cantido | _Dave123_: IIRC some clients connect in pasv mode and then switch over.. which then means you need ports open etc |
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| 10:35.07 | karsten | cantido: Hrm. |
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| 10:36.00 | nsadmin | jelly: it -sounds- like you're saying... his windows client contacts a proxy which is within feet of him which then connects to a server which runs debian and has a static, real IP |
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| 10:37.24 | _Dave123_ | cantido: hmm |
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| 10:44.35 | cantoma | hey guys, I am trying to scp a TB of data from one location to another. While scp is running my memory is being taken slowly .. after two hours my memory and my swap were both full. Is there any known issues regarding scp leaking memory?! Should this happen? |
| 10:45.07 | petern_ | probably not. does sftp work any better? |
| 10:45.13 | petern_ | iirc scp is kind of... obsoleted. |
| 10:45.38 | nsadmin | but why should it be broken? |
| 10:46.13 | _Dave123_ | cantido: any idea how it can be fixed? |
| 10:46.32 | cantoma | petern_, i have never tried sftp |
| 10:46.34 | nsadmin | cantoma: are you sure it's scp that's leaking the mem? |
| 10:46.52 | cantoma | nsadmin, yes because my system crushed |
| 10:47.00 | cantoma | nsadmin, then i open just one shell |
| 10:47.04 | cantoma | with scp on it |
| 10:47.24 | nkuttler | cantoma: i'd probably try to rsync the data |
| 10:47.26 | cantoma | and slowly i see in my wmaker memory gadget the memory increasing |
| 10:47.28 | nkuttler | over ssh |
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| 10:49.29 | nsadmin | cantoma: what version of debian is this scp in? |
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| 10:51.27 | cantoma | nsadmin, i am using lenny the scp doesn't have a --version option |
| 10:52.28 | cantoma | petern_, i guess the syntax is the same for sftp ?? |
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| 10:53.04 | nsadmin | , file scp lenny |
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| 10:53.08 | judd | scp in lenny/i386: ploticus-doc: usr/share/doc/ploticus-doc/html/gallery/SCP; putty-tools: usr/bin/pscp; liblscp-dev: usr/share/doc-base/liblscp; openssh-client: usr/bin/scp; pssh: usr/bin/parallel-scp; sshproxy-client: usr/bin/sshproxy-scp; nilfs2-tools: usr/bin/lscp; ntfsprogs: usr/sbin/ntfscp; zsh: usr/share/zsh/functions/Completion/Cygwin/_pscp; dcmtk: etc/default/dcmqrscp, et |
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| 10:53.47 | nsadmin | , versions openssh-client |
| 10:53.50 | judd | openssh-client -- etch: 1:4.3p2-9etch3; etch-security: 1:4.3p2-9etch3; lenny: 1:5.1p1-5; sid: 1:5.5p1-4; squeeze: 1:5.5p1-4 |
| 10:54.10 | Bushmills | possibly trying to buffer received file in memory? |
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| 10:55.36 | cantoma | guys any idea how to use sftp for this .. I need to copy a folder .. It doesn't recognise -R (recursive) option |
| 10:56.13 | nsadmin | a 1 tb folder? |
| 10:56.20 | cantoma | something like --> scp -r ??????@astral-03.central.cranfield.ac.uk:~/thesis/simul1/ ./ |
| 10:56.28 | cantoma | nsadmin, around that |
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| 10:56.40 | nsadmin | I'd look into rsync |
| 10:56.45 | cantoma | nsadmin, last time i check was 800 GB |
| 10:56.58 | cantoma | now should be around 1TB |
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| 10:57.15 | nsadmin | you'd be better off mailing a drive... |
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| 10:57.39 | cantoma | nsadmin, well is not my server |
| 10:58.07 | cantoma | nsadmin, so how would rsync look if need to copy that folder? |
| 10:58.31 | nsadmin | I hven't used rsync in years |
| 10:58.45 | cantoma | i have never use it |
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| 10:59.01 | nsadmin | then we'd both be looking at its docs :) |
| 10:59.02 | jpinx-eeepc | rsync is good |
| 10:59.16 | nsadmin | , file bin/good |
| 10:59.20 | judd | No packages were found with that file. |
| 10:59.24 | jpinx-eeepc | but if i read correctly you are trying to sync a big drive? |
| 10:59.43 | nsadmin | transfer that much |
| 10:59.53 | nsadmin | I dunno if sync is the right word |
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| 11:00.08 | jpinx-eeepc | transfer - sync - whatever |
| 11:00.20 | jpinx-eeepc | nsadmin: it is a lot of Gbs ;) |
| 11:00.23 | nsadmin | but, that should be looked into (by cantoma) too :) |
| 11:00.45 | nsadmin | didn't the gbs play that song saturday nite fever? |
| 11:00.50 | cantoma | in todays world .. what is a TB ??? :D |
| 11:00.55 | cantoma | is nothing |
| 11:00.58 | jpinx-eeepc | cantoma: depending on the connection - he might be better to copy off to a spare hard drive nd post it ;) |
| 11:01.11 | nsadmin | that's what I just said |
| 11:01.52 | nsadmin | awesome minds think alike :) |
| 11:01.55 | jpinx-eeepc | nsadmin: I agree then ;) |
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| 11:02.08 | cantoma | i bough a 3.5T for this kind of reasons |
| 11:02.35 | jpinx-eeepc | but if the connection is fast enough, rsync is probably the best option as it survices failures much better |
| 11:02.39 | nsadmin | cantoma: how often does this transfer have to happen? |
| 11:03.10 | nsadmin | (let's see if "sync" is indicated here) |
| 11:03.10 | cantoma | nsadmin, not sure |
| 11:03.16 | jpinx-eeepc | cantoma: and rsync only transfer new data, it's ideal to refresh an archive |
| 11:03.32 | cantoma | nsadmin, rsync is just hanging |
| 11:03.54 | nsadmin | I'm guessing it's thinking about what to do |
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| 11:04.30 | jpinx-eeepc | cantoma: what is your rsync command? |
| 11:04.51 | cantoma | http://pastebin.com/Fh5atvt5 |
| 11:04.54 | nsadmin | cantoma: more often than once a year? |
| 11:05.07 | cantoma | after i enter the password is stays there |
| 11:05.12 | cantoma | it* |
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| 11:06.38 | nsadmin | cantoma: will this transfer happen more often than once a year? |
| 11:06.41 | jpinx-eeepc | cantoma: can you ssh into that account? |
| 11:06.42 | cantoma | jpinx-eeepc, but do you the syntax is ok? |
| 11:06.49 | cantoma | jpinx-eeepc, yes |
| 11:07.11 | jpinx-eeepc | cantoma: I tend to use -rv myself to see more about what it's doing |
| 11:07.36 | cantoma | receiving file list ... |
| 11:07.38 | cantoma | good |
| 11:07.41 | cantoma | some progress |
| 11:07.42 | cantoma | loool |
| 11:08.10 | jpinx-eeepc | your connection needs to be superfast to cope with that much data |
| 11:10.15 | nsadmin | are you sure mailing the drive wouldn't be better? do you pay per gb transferred? do you think the person at the other end does? |
| 11:10.33 | cantoma | i understand |
| 11:10.43 | cantoma | the data i generate can be reduced somehow |
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| 11:11.04 | cantoma | i collected populations for each generation of a genetic algorithm |
| 11:11.14 | cantoma | the populations are a bit huge |
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| 11:11.29 | cantoma | i think i can just extract every 25 generation one population |
| 11:11.33 | cantoma | that would still be ok |
| 11:11.41 | cantoma | i guess |
| 11:12.30 | cantoma | i run it for 2000 generations and did it 100 times with 100 different seeds for statistical analysis |
| 11:12.38 | cantido | cantoma: are the changes going to be huge? if you're only sending "small" amounts of changes each day rsync might help |
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| 11:14.13 | cantoma | cantido, i am thinking to drop each file that the generation number such as (1985pop.out) that is not divisible by 25 |
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| 11:19.35 | nsadmin | cantoma: you don't have to send the old data over again |
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| 11:19.51 | nsadmin | which is why rsync could work out well for you |
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| 11:20.36 | cantoma | nsadmin, thanks for the tip |
| 11:20.56 | cantoma | i am really going to delete pops that are not divisible by 25 this will safe time |
| 11:21.04 | cantoma | and kill many GBs |
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| 11:22.01 | silidan1 | hi, in what package is the vboxdrv module to build and install manually? (virtualbox-ose-dkms fails on install on debian sid with an error about dkms.conf) |
| 11:22.18 | jpinx-eeepc | cantoma: did you read man rsync ? it is all in there |
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| 11:22.41 | _Dave123_ | Is it possible to have ssh only listen on 1 ip (multiple ips on same if on dedicated server) ? |
| 11:23.17 | mquin | _Dave123_: 'ListenAddress' in /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 11:24.02 | _Dave123_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:24.03 | _Dave123_ | the current connected ssh clients |
| 11:24.26 | petemc | why not? |
| 11:24.38 | petemc | oh, you dont want to?> |
| 11:24.50 | petemc | _Dave123_: ssh keeps connections up during a restart |
| 11:25.02 | _Dave123_ | : so when i restart sshd the CURRENTLY connected ssh connections won't be harmed |
| 11:25.05 | abrotman | silidan1: what's the error when it dies ? |
| 11:25.29 | mquin | yeah, it just restarts the listener process |
| 11:25.39 | mquin | connections that have already forked will be fine |
| 11:26.48 | silidan1 | abrotman: error of vbox ose dkms install http://pastebin.com/PBpvHrLg |
| 11:27.30 | abrotman | silidan1: that's weird .. pretty sure i had that package build just fine the other day |
| 11:27.38 | abrotman | judd: versions virtualbox-ose-dkms |
| 11:27.39 | judd | virtualbox-ose-dkms -- lenny-backports: 3.1.4-dfsg-1~bpo50+1; sid: 3.2.0-dfsg-1; squeeze: 3.2.0-dfsg-1 |
| 11:27.46 | _Dave123_ | ListenAddress ip.ip.ip.ip - this is ok? |
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| 11:28.25 | mquin | aye |
| 11:28.33 | silidan1 | abrotman: maybe my package database is somehow still broken? (i had some problems with it 2 weeks ago or so...) |
| 11:28.59 | mquin | just rememeber to keep an existing connection up until you've tested that you can get in after restarting |
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| 11:29.30 | abrotman | silidan1: seems more like a package problem or something wrong with /var/lib/dkms/ perhaps |
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| 11:30.46 | silidan1 | abrotman: so purge and reinstall dkms? |
| 11:31.01 | abrotman | silidan1: check that file first .. does it seem reasonably sane ? |
| 11:31.12 | silidan1 | abrotman: which one? |
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| 11:31.46 | silidan1 | abrotman: the dkms.conf file is not in the mentioned location... |
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| 11:33.49 | KaffeeJunky123 | if I want openjdk's jre as the default java jre, should I remove GIJ and gcj? |
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| 11:34.55 | silidan1 | abrotman: also when i run aptitude upgrade instead of apt-get, it want to remove more than 200 packages... what is the meaning of that? |
| 11:35.36 | KaffeeJunky123 | The debian wiki page on javer doesn't really cover this subject |
| 11:36.44 | themill | KaffeeJunky123: no, they are all co-installable. You don't need to do so, but /msg dpkg update-java-alternatives |
| 11:36.50 | abrotman | silidan1: the file is totally missiny ? |
| 11:36.54 | abrotman | missing |
| 11:37.08 | KaffeeJunky123 | themill: tanks I'll do that |
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| 11:38.15 | abrotman | silidan1: is there a /var/lib/dkms/ ? |
| 11:38.17 | silidan1 | abrotman: the whole directory with the vboxdrv version 3.1.6 is missing |
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| 11:38.40 | abrotman | silidan1: and if you reinstall the virtualbox-ose-dkms ? |
| 11:38.59 | silidan1 | abrotman: o wait, no the 3.1.6 dir is t here, the source dir inside is not there |
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| 11:40.59 | silidan1 | abrotman, whats the snytax for reinstall? |
| 11:41.07 | _Dave123_ | Isn't it possible to just set ONE other port to work on passive mode with proftpd ? and specifically define that port? |
| 11:41.11 | _Dave123_ | jelly: that would be a solution right? |
| 11:41.23 | abrotman | silidan1: aptitude reinstall virtualbox-ose-dkms |
| 11:41.38 | silidan1 | abrotman: i use apt-get most of time... |
| 11:41.53 | silidan1 | abrotman: aptitude wants to remove over 200 packages when i want to install something... |
| 11:42.10 | jelly | _Dave123_: I don't have sufficient expertise with proftpd to comment on that, except a useless "that could work" |
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| 11:42.54 | _Dave123_ | ok anyone else? |
| 11:43.37 | abrotman | silidan1: apt-get --reinstall install virtualbox-ose-dkms |
| 11:43.52 | abrotman | silidan1: you should probably fix aptitude, but we can dot hat later |
| 11:44.17 | silidan1 | abrotman: same error |
| 11:44.50 | abrotman | does that file at least exist now ? |
| 11:45.18 | jelly | _Dave123_: "dear proftpd please use this one port for data" won't work if two users request a data port at the same time. Use their documentation for ways to limit data ports used |
| 11:45.19 | silidan1 | abrotman: NO, /var/lib/dkms/vboxdrv/3.1.6/ exists, but the source directory not |
| 11:45.33 | silidan1 | abrotman: and hence the file itself |
| 11:45.35 | _Dave123_ | jelly: that scenario is not possible |
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| 11:45.39 | _Dave123_ | only 1 user will ever have access |
| 11:46.07 | abrotman | silidan1: lovely .. moment |
| 11:46.43 | abrotman | silidan1: doesn't seem that package owns that file .. so let's find out which does |
| 11:47.03 | themill | nothing in debian seems to |
| 11:47.53 | silidan1 | abrotman: and coudl all that be caused, by broken apt database? |
| 11:47.55 | KaffeeJunky123 | themill: I can't seem to find a package containing the update-java-alternatives thing on debian lenny |
| 11:48.09 | abrotman | silidan1: it migth be genrated |
| 11:48.20 | KaffeeJunky123 | themill: aptitude search "?provides(update-java-alternatives)" doesn't find anything |
| 11:48.37 | silidan1 | abrotman: well then how can i regenerate it? |
| 11:48.52 | themill | KaffeeJunky123: that's not what ?provides means. It's in the java-common package and you should have that installed already. |
| 11:49.02 | cantoma | nsadmin, by my calculations this will drop it to 40GB ... i guess it should be ok to scp it |
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| 11:49.13 | lancelot_of | hi all |
| 11:49.27 | LV-426 | how come libsnmp-base includes LM-SENSORS-MIB which depends on SNMPv2-SMI but doesn't include it ? |
| 11:50.14 | lancelot_of | on my laptop bluetooth is on but i can't see it on lspci, so bluetooth tools (blueman) don't work, returning "no adapters". How to fix?Please help |
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| 11:51.16 | lancelot_of | bluetooth worked correctly until yesterday. Today morning i installed gnokii and it stopped working, so thinking about conflicts, i purged gnokii but the problem i still there |
| 11:51.24 | themill | silidan1: have you previously had other vbox packages installed? (including the non-free ones directly from vbox) |
| 11:51.29 | richard02 | hi saw google os, seems they rightly did what you never wanted to do, they will send you to nowhere |
| 11:51.35 | KaffeeJunky123 | themill: thanks, I found it now :O |
| 11:51.36 | lancelot_of | dunno how to fix, i'm becoming crazy |
| 11:52.27 | silidan1 | themill: yes |
| 11:52.55 | lancelot_of | if i run sudo rfkill list all i get 1: eeepc-bluetooth: Bluetooth Soft blocked: no Hard blocked: no |
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| 11:55.57 | _Dave123_ | hmm sftp works, but its very slow compared to ftp |
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| 11:59.52 | xand | sftp will be relatively slow if a machine either end has a slow CPU/is busy |
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| 12:01.14 | abrotman | silidan1: from what i can see (looking quickly) it looks like /usr/lib/dkms/common.postinst |
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| 12:03.02 | silidan1 | abrotman: em... am i supposed to delete it? maybe you just missed some words after postinst |
| 12:03.39 | themill | silidan1: the output of "dkms status" would be interesting to see |
| 12:03.42 | abrotman | silidan1: if you read the postinst for the vbox dkmx package, you'll see what i'm referring to .. it uses that common.postinst and looks for a dkms file for your vbox package |
| 12:05.33 | silidan1 | themill: dkms status: http://pastebin.com/7gBUCjEj |
| 12:06.32 | themill | silidan1: so dkms still thinks that "vboxnetflt" is installed and that's what's causing you the problems. Did you manually delete the files out of /usr/src or /var/lib/dkms? |
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| 12:06.57 | themill | (and vboxnetadp and vboxdrv) |
| 12:07.17 | silidan1 | themill: i dont know fpr sure but i dont think i did delete something manually |
| 12:07.51 | courpse | Um, is this reguarding hte dkms errors when virtualbox boots up? |
| 12:07.59 | abrotman | themill: see his original post about it missing some file that tells dkms how to build the module |
| 12:08.40 | silidan1 | themill: should i delete them? |
| 12:08.41 | themill | abrotman: dkms postinst is bitching about 3.1.6 which no longer exists during the remove step in preparation to upgrade to 3.2.0. |
| 12:08.45 | themill | silidan1: no |
| 12:08.46 | courpse | If so, i had this just today after an update, i restarted comp, and it ran perfectly again, (I did quite a few updates at once so didnt know what to restart.) |
| 12:08.54 | abrotman | that's it .. i'm going home! |
| 12:09.07 | silidan1 | abrotman: ? |
| 12:09.10 | themill | dpkg, comfort abrotman |
| 12:09.10 | dpkg | There, there, abrotman. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 12:09.10 | courpse | lol |
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| 12:09.16 | courpse | Cyas abrotman. |
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| 12:10.09 | abrotman | silidan1: just early morning reading failure |
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| 12:11.52 | fergal32 | hi |
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| 12:13.49 | silidan1 | themill: so what shall i do? |
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| 12:16.27 | themill | well... you need to convince dkms that these old modules are no longer installed. No idea how one does that though. |
| 12:17.29 | silidan1 | themill: ok thanks for claryfying |
| 12:18.15 | _Dave123_ | what is the min amount of ports you should set to be used with proftpd passive port range? |
| 12:18.18 | themill | silidan1: "dkms remove -m vboxnetflt -v 3.1.6" etc should be sufficient, but that's the step that's failing in the postinst. |
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| 12:18.24 | abrotman | doesn't dkms have a method to remove modules also ? |
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| 12:20.34 | cantido | _Dave123_: Depends on the number of clients I guess |
| 12:20.45 | _Dave123_ | cantido: will only be one |
| 12:21.23 | cantido | _Dave123_: You only need a few then |
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| 12:21.44 | cantido | _Dave123_: you probably don't want to limit yourself to one connection though |
| 12:21.59 | _Dave123_ | I think so, I don't need ftp for anything/anyone else |
| 12:22.09 | silidan1 | themill: yes it fail with Error! Invalid number of parameters passed. |
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| 12:22.49 | themill | hmm... that probably just means I screwed up in the exact syntax of the command :) |
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| 12:23.26 | silidan1 | dunno, dkms lists it so |
| 12:23.32 | themill | (add --all to the end of it) |
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| 12:24.49 | silidan1 | already tried |
| 12:24.59 | silidan1 | themill: already tryed it still same error |
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| 12:25.36 | silidan1 | themill: o wait |
| 12:25.43 | siriusnova | Anyone run debian on an intel atom 330? |
| 12:26.17 | silidan1 | themill: not same error: Error! Bad conf file. File: /var/lib/dkms/vboxnetflt/3.1.6/source/dkms.conf does not represent a valid dkms.conf file. |
| 12:26.32 | themill | the "other" same error ... |
| 12:26.36 | silidan1 | themill: yep |
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| 12:27.18 | themill | silidan1: can you pastebin the output of: find /var/lib/dkms/ -printf "%m %p %l\n" |
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| 12:30.01 | silidan1 | themill: http://pastebin.com/tjmyZGrm |
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| 12:31.55 | themill | silidan1: and "aptitude search ~nvirtualbox~i ~nvbox~i" says |
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| 12:34.14 | silidan1 | themill: i virtualbox-ose - x86 virtualization solution - base binarie i A virtualbox-ose-qt - x86 virtualization solution - Qt based use i virtualbox-ose-source - x86 virtualization solution - kernel modul |
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| 12:37.21 | themill | silidan1: looking at the dkms script, it appears that it uses the on-disk structures as its database rather than actually having a status database. Weird. So yes... try removing (or moving) all the directories you don't want out of /var/lib/dkms/ and then recheck "dkms status". |
| 12:37.34 | iElectric | guys, can you point me to devicekit-disks author? |
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| 12:38.40 | xteejx | Hi guys, I'm beginning to package for Debian/Ubuntu, but I'm kind of stuck on the debian/rules can someone help me and look through my rules file please? |
| 12:38.54 | opti | can someone tell me what package i need or why my /lib/modules/<kernelversion>/build/ directory is empty? |
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| 12:39.35 | craigevil | opti: the kernel headers |
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| 12:39.38 | themill | opti: linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
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| 12:42.43 | hetOrakel | hi, i'm using imWheel (in Gnome) to enable/assing some special functions to my extra mouse-buttons. Is this ok, or is there an other tool which better. |
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| 12:43.32 | Aquarina | hi |
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| 12:43.53 | gueux | hi, is there a way to automatically spin down an usbdisk if it is unused for n minutes? |
| 12:44.00 | Aquarina | I need tu use some kind of fusionfs in debian |
| 12:45.17 | cantido | gueux: some usb->sata/usb->ide controllers can pass ATA commands through |
| 12:45.35 | silidan1 | themill: many thanks, now it installed |
| 12:45.52 | cantido | gueux: some can't.. if you have one that can't I think you can set the spin-down with hdparm or sdparm |
| 12:45.55 | silidan1 | themill: so i can savely delete the files i moved out... |
| 12:46.42 | gueux | cantido: if it can pass ATA commands, what would be your solution? |
| 12:47.05 | cantido | gueux: if it can pass ata commands you should be able to make it spin down like a normal drive |
| 12:47.31 | cantido | gueux: if it can't it's up to the bridge. |
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| 12:47.33 | silidan1 | abrotman: thanks to you too for helping me |
| 12:48.06 | abrotman | i'm a failure! |
| 12:48.15 | cantido | gueux: s/if you have one that can't/if you have one that can/ |
| 12:48.19 | silidan1 | abrotman: dkms stuff was the fault, i removed the files from /var/lib/dkms regarding vbox and then the package installed without any problems |
| 12:48.25 | abrotman | silidan1: i saw |
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| 12:48.42 | silidan1 | abrotman: but thanks to you for sharing your time :) |
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| 12:49.07 | Aquarina | should I use unionfs, funionfs or aufs? |
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| 12:51.13 | Aquarina | has anyone tryed to implement something like a sandboxed home directory? |
| 12:51.17 | silidan1 | so now one problem still remains: aptitude and apt-get want different things: when i say apt-get upgrade it only want to upgrade some files, when i say aptitude upgrade it wants to remove over 200 files (including my gnome desktop) and uptade some... so how can i fix that? |
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| 12:51.53 | Bushmills | silidan1: look at the alternative solutions aptitude offers |
| 12:52.12 | Bushmills | next one in the line might be upgrading a few files |
| 12:52.38 | xoz | silidan1: try apt-get dist-upgrade... see what is says |
| 12:53.04 | silidan1 | apt-get dist-upgrade only want to install soem new files... |
| 12:53.26 | xoz | silidan1: similar to apt-get upgrade? |
| 12:53.28 | silidan1 | Bushmills: there are no alternative solutions |
| 12:54.05 | silidan1 | afk for 1 hour or so |
| 12:54.37 | xoz | silidan1: did you do both aptitude update and apt-get update? |
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| 12:59.27 | JKL | what is a place for script.sh files? |
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| 13:00.11 | Riviera | JKL: imagine you'd re-implement that script |
| 13:00.14 | Riviera | JKL: say, in python |
| 13:00.20 | Riviera | JKL: would you keep the .sh extension? |
| 13:00.29 | tau | hey, i would like to keep the directory ./ in the $PATH permanently , how can I do it ? |
| 13:00.52 | Krikke | add it to path |
| 13:01.00 | tau | Krikke: yes, but how can I do it ? |
| 13:01.05 | Aquarina | has anyone ever worked with aufs or unionfs or... |
| 13:01.08 | Aquarina | ? |
| 13:01.13 | Krikke | tau: google linux path |
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| 13:13.07 | Krikke | ah, that's probably built on fuse |
| 13:13.18 | Aquarina | hum... |
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| 13:15.12 | adb | !tell Aquarina about unionfs |
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| 13:16.30 | Krikke | !tell Krikke about unionfs |
| 13:16.40 | abrotman | !tell Krikke about selftell |
| 13:17.12 | Aquarina | well... so it seems there is no unionfs anymore |
| 13:17.14 | Krikke | thx for the info |
| 13:17.31 | Aquarina | so what should I use to go with libpam-mount? |
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| 13:18.36 | Aquarina | !tell Aquarina about unionfs-fuse |
| 13:19.31 | Aquarina | !help |
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| 13:20.38 | Aquarina | what would be the difference between using unionfs and unionfs-fuse? |
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| 13:21.26 | Krikke | fuse means that the filesystem is run in the userland and not in the kernel |
| 13:21.43 | kdasdasf | is debian etch still supported with security updates? |
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| 13:22.21 | Aquarina | Krikke: but at a practical standpoint... could I configure libpam-mount just the same way? |
| 13:22.32 | Krikke | that I don't know |
| 13:22.43 | Aquarina | hum... |
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| 13:31.34 | tau | what is the difference between kdm and gdm ? i am being prompted to choose one of two, what must i choose ? |
| 13:31.52 | tau | so, i was installling the kde when i was noticed to choose one. |
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| 13:33.13 | nkuttler | tau: one comes with kde, the other with gnome. you can use any |
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| 13:34.03 | jordanm | tau: you are only asked to choose when you already have one installed, and are installing another AFAIK |
| 13:34.42 | tau | jordanm: sure. |
| 13:34.46 | tau | thank you two. |
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| 13:35.22 | tau | jordanm: but what must i use ? i have the two installed since i want to use just the kde ? |
| 13:36.20 | abrotman | must? doens't matter, just choose one |
| 13:36.44 | tau | abrotman: sure. |
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| 13:55.04 | smhar | I am trying to run docky on debian squeeze. It installed with no problems but when I run it. I get this error: http://paste.debian.net/76474/ |
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| 13:59.51 | jordanm | smhar: have you checked the BTS? |
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| 14:00.18 | smhar | jordanm, not yet |
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| 14:01.48 | abrotman | smhar: is dbus running ? |
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| 14:01.59 | abrotman | smhar: are you running X as root ? |
| 14:03.12 | smhar | abrotman, dbus shows up on ps -aux |
| 14:03.22 | abrotman | and the other question? |
| 14:03.40 | smhar | abrotman, X is run 'automatically' and I assume it is run as root |
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| 14:04.02 | abrotman | smhar: are you logged into X as root? if not, try to run docky as your user, not root |
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| 14:05.40 | smhar | abrotman, I am logged as a normal user, and I tried docky and this is the output: http://paste.debian.net/76476/ |
| 14:05.45 | jordanm | abrotman: even if that were the case, wouldn't a bug report still be suitable since its throwing an exception? |
| 14:06.04 | abrotman | jordanm: because you ran the app as root and root has no valid X session ? |
| 14:06.10 | Abhishek_Singh | hello everyone ;) |
| 14:06.43 | jordanm | abrotman: yes, in that case, the app should still cleanly exist with something like "no valid X session found" |
| 14:06.52 | Abhishek_Singh | folks please suggest how to approach to make .deb packages for software that dont have a mkefile nor a build.xml file |
| 14:06.54 | jordanm | s/exist/exit/ |
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| 14:07.33 | abrotman | jordanm: so the author should protect the users from every dumb thing they might do? |
| 14:07.35 | jordanm | Abhishek_Singh: what kind of build system does it use? |
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| 14:07.43 | abrotman | jordanm: why doesn't my system keep me from deleting files?! |
| 14:07.46 | Abhishek_Singh | that software is basically coded in javascript xml and php |
| 14:07.48 | JKL | Riviera: no i would not keep the .sh extension |
| 14:08.05 | jordanm | abrotman: it would if it was RHEL hehe |
| 14:08.33 | abrotman | judd: info libtrash --release lenny |
| 14:08.34 | judd | libtrash (libs, optional): A trash can library to use with LD_PRELOAD. Version: 2.4-2; Size: 59.1k; Installed: 164k; Homepage: http://pages.stern.nyu.edu/~marriaga/software/libtrash |
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| 14:08.38 | jordanm | abrotman: anyways, I just believe there is a difference in that and uncaught exceptions... and segfaults |
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| 14:08.59 | abrotman | jordanm: his bug appears to be a programming error |
| 14:09.06 | Abhishek_Singh | jordanm : sorry id ont have idea about the build system that it is usung |
| 14:09.19 | Abhishek_Singh | s/id ont/i dont |
| 14:09.28 | jordanm | Abhishek_Singh: then you should start with the documentaiton... such as the INSTALL file of the sources |
| 14:09.45 | abrotman | smhar: can you try creating a new user and logging in as that new user and running docky? |
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| 14:10.11 | Abhishek_Singh | jordanm : can you please outline the whole process to make .deb package for that software |
| 14:10.20 | jordanm | !nmg |
| 14:10.20 | dpkg | The New Maintainer's Guide (http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/), Developer's Reference and Policy document how packages should be made and how they should interact with each other. Ask me about <package basics>, <mentors>, <policy>, <best practices> or see http://www.debian.org/devel/ http://women.debian.org/wiki/English/BuildingWithoutHelper |
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| 14:11.13 | Abhishek_Singh | jordanm : one more issue with software is that it has deendency on postgresql db |
| 14:11.27 | jordanm | Abhishek_Singh: why is that an issue? |
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| 14:11.46 | Abhishek_Singh | jordanm :so it asks passwords around 4-5 times during installation, i have to provide GUI for that |
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| 14:12.42 | Acony | where is the password for wireless network stored ? |
| 14:13.11 | Abhishek_Singh | jordanm : i have written the control file, conffiles, templates file and md5sums file for that software |
| 14:13.32 | jordanm | !mentors |
| 14:13.32 | dpkg | i guess mentors is the system that the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers and get their packages into the Debian archive. Ask me about <nmg> or <mg>. http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ http://mentors.debian.net/ #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org. |
| 14:13.38 | smhar | abrotman, done. and this is the output: http://paste.debian.net/76479/ |
| 14:13.52 | skinder | http://bit.ly/9czJDy |
| 14:13.55 | skinder | please |
| 14:13.58 | Abhishek_Singh | jordanm : now i need to write postrm , postinst , config files |
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| 14:14.21 | jordanm | Abhishek_Singh: move along to the mentors channel |
| 14:14.37 | Abhishek_Singh | jordanm : please give channel id |
| 14:15.03 | icebrain | Abhishek_Singh: see above at what dpkg said |
| 14:15.05 | jhutchins_lt | skinder: Suggest you locate the bwfirmwarecutter binary. |
| 14:15.14 | r0nin | what do I use to get the current date in a script? or the output of that script? |
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| 14:15.27 | icebrain | r0nin: date |
| 14:15.59 | smhar | abrotman, sorry. I got disconnected. did you get my last msg? |
| 14:16.02 | icebrain | r0nin: "man date" if you want to know how format the output |
| 14:16.07 | skinder | mm, forgot, i must say that im noob. what? |
| 14:16.32 | JKL | where goes script files (.py, .sh, .rb ...)? |
| 14:16.32 | r0nin | how though, like "date %c"? |
| 14:16.56 | jordanm | Abhishek_Singh: it says it in the factoid above.. |
| 14:17.01 | jordanm | !tell Abhishek_Singh about mentorsz |
| 14:17.02 | jordanm | !tell Abhishek_Singh about mentors |
| 14:17.04 | Bushmills | skinder: without giving a description of your problem, chances are small that anybody will try to solve it for you |
| 14:17.22 | Abhishek_Singh | jordanm icebrain so can you please outline how can mentors can help me |
| 14:17.28 | skinder | what else do you need? |
| 14:17.34 | Abhishek_Singh | i cant join their channel |
| 14:17.40 | icebrain | Abhishek_Singh: why? |
| 14:17.41 | jordanm | Abhishek_Singh: your on the wrong server |
| 14:17.52 | Bushmills | skinder: i don't open links just because they are posted here |
| 14:17.54 | r0nin | i know the syntax, just not how to use it in a script |
| 14:18.06 | skinder | all is described there |
| 14:18.09 | jordanm | Abhishek_Singh: the channel on freenode autokicks because it does not exist, you need to join the one on OFTC (the official debian network) |
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| 14:18.18 | Abhishek_Singh | jordanm : i have been kicked from that and it says that it is invite only channel |
| 14:18.18 | Bushmills | well, fine. |
| 14:18.21 | Bushmills | good luck |
| 14:18.21 | icebrain | !wayttd r0nin |
| 14:18.21 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, r0nin? |
| 14:18.27 | jordanm | Abhishek_Singh: if you are lookinng for someone to do the work for you, you should file an RFP bug |
| 14:18.32 | jordanm | Abhishek_Singh: and I just told you why |
| 14:18.53 | icebrain | r0nin: if you want the date in a variable, just do mydate="`date`" |
| 14:18.54 | Abhishek_Singh | jordanm : ok thanks for that ;) |
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| 14:19.50 | Bushmills | actually, mydate=$(date) is preferred |
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| 14:21.52 | r0nin | oh ok, thanks |
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| 14:22.20 | Weisser | Hi, i want to prepare a document in open office and i want to use a font from courier family... However when i use courier 10 pitch characters typical for my language (polish) apear in some other font. What's the problem? |
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| 14:22.56 | icebrain | Weisser: the font probably doesn't have those characters, I'd say |
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| 14:23.43 | Weisser | ok, what can i do then, to make this or other font look good? |
| 14:24.27 | RichiH | who else thinks this looks totally like wouter? http://velogogo.com/post/670667585/by-noah-j-gage |
| 14:25.10 | wrksx | What do I need to send mails from the command line, in addition to the pakage mailutils |
| 14:25.11 | Weisser | all i want is to have a font that looks like typwriter's |
| 14:25.21 | Weisser | without odd polish characters |
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| 14:27.42 | Riviera | JKL: what i meant was a bit different: |
| 14:28.05 | Riviera | JKL: if you use these extensions and change them according to the language they're implemented in, |
| 14:28.12 | icebrain | Weisser: get a font and install it? |
| 14:28.24 | icebrain | !tell Weisser about install font |
| 14:28.34 | smhar | abrotman, so? |
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| 14:28.44 | abrotman | smhar: so ? |
| 14:28.54 | Riviera | JKL: you'd have to change all other scripts that use them, always (so if "foo1.sh" internally uses "script.sh", you'd have to change foo1.sh when script.sh was re-implemented in python thus named script.py) |
| 14:28.57 | abrotman | smhar: sorry, just read .. moment |
| 14:29.20 | Riviera | JKL: so I'd suggest you not to use any extensions at all, treating them like normal executables (e. g. also compiled ones) |
| 14:29.29 | abrotman | smhar: i guess i'd file a bug .. or try the debian-mono channel on irc.oftc.net |
| 14:29.41 | abrotman | sorry .. #debian-mono |
| 14:29.47 | Riviera | JKL: placing them in a "normal" directory for your executables, like ~/bin when they should be installed for normal users |
| 14:29.58 | Weisser | icebrain, thank you, i hope obtaining fonts is easier than it seems, else i will have hard time finding one suitable |
| 14:30.18 | Riviera | JKL: err, s/normal/single/ |
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| 14:33.27 | smhar | abrotman, #debian-mono is Embty ! |
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| 14:33.31 | Bushmills | wrksx: something like mailx |
| 14:33.47 | wrksx | Bushmills, i'll take a look at it |
| 14:33.53 | mugwort13 | anyone know of any online store that sell netbooks with either Linux pre-installed, or no os installed? I'm not really looking for refurbished netbooks. |
| 14:34.14 | Bushmills | bsd-mailx is the package name |
| 14:34.27 | themill | smhar: read /topic |
| 14:34.51 | wrksx | Bushmills, mailx is not real packages |
| 14:35.17 | smhar | themill, ' This unofficial channel is available as needed' |
| 14:35.22 | wrksx | Bushmills, included in mailutils |
| 14:35.33 | Bushmills | (16:34:14) Bushmills: bsd-mailx is the package name |
| 14:35.40 | themill | smhar: err... abrotman said "on irc.oftc.net" |
| 14:35.53 | icebrain | themill: it's empty in oftc |
| 14:36.02 | themill | icebrain: read /topic ... |
| 14:36.03 | themill | ffs |
| 14:36.32 | smhar | themill, same, but no topic |
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| 14:37.46 | icebrain | smhar: /j #debian-cli on oftc |
| 14:38.13 | smhar | sorry themill, I am used to the topic being displayed when I join |
| 14:38.24 | icebrain | apologizes as well |
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| 14:44.27 | JKL | Riviera: thx |
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| 14:46.42 | hramrach | Hello |
| 14:47.12 | hramrach | How do you install a service at the reunlevels at which it is supposed to be installed? |
| 14:48.29 | hramrach | If you do "update-rc.d service defaults" it is installed at some default runlevels, not the runlevels which are specified in the file |
| 14:48.55 | smhar | bts show nothing for docky in squeeze: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?archive=both;dist=testing;package=docky |
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| 14:51.08 | jelly | \_o< |
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| 14:56.52 | djura-san | jelly: superb ascii art :D |
| 14:57.22 | jelly | djura-san: I'm also avaiable for birthdays and Bar-Mitzvahs |
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| 15:06.56 | Weisser | jelly, but are your services kosher? |
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| 15:09.36 | ptee1 | hi , |
| 15:09.57 | ptee1 | i have problem with debian not saving my config file in /etc/ |
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| 15:10.23 | ptee1 | it wored until i reboot, then it returns the old config files again. |
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| 15:10.46 | ptee1 | this happens after i upgrade the debian "testing" few days ago. |
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| 15:10.53 | ptee1 | what is the cause? |
| 15:10.57 | jordanm | ptee1: what config file? |
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| 15:11.17 | jordanm | !tell ptee1 about enter |
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| 15:11.48 | ptee1 | jordanm: e.g. /etc/hosts, /etc/hostname |
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| 15:13.07 | ptee1 | anything special than edit the config file as root then save the files? |
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| 15:13.52 | ptee1 | it used the same old config file after reboot :( |
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| 15:17.45 | jargon- | anybody here happen to use hp procurve network switches? |
| 15:18.17 | jordanm | ptee1: are you using a network configuration tool such as network-manager? n-m would overwrite those files |
| 15:18.37 | jordanm | jargon-: yes, but you should avoid meta-questions such as that |
| 15:18.43 | ptee1 | nope, purely edit anything from command line |
| 15:18.58 | ptee1 | something simple such as edit hostname wouldnt work either |
| 15:19.16 | jordanm | ptee1: so network-manager is not installed/running? doesn't matter if you use it or not... is it there? running? |
| 15:19.21 | jargon- | jordanm: sorry. been googling all day and can't find the answer |
| 15:19.39 | themill | ptee1: you're not booting off a livecd or something are you? |
| 15:19.50 | jordanm | jargon-: ##networking is more appropriate but you can ask in #debian-offtopic and I will see |
| 15:20.05 | jargon- | jordanm: ok, thanks |
| 15:20.06 | ptee1 | i tested it, it is not working properly but in my init.d i have networking script |
| 15:20.08 | ptee1 | nope. |
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| 15:20.30 | ptee1 | it used to work fine for a long long time til i upgrade the packages |
| 15:20.36 | ptee1 | the whole system thoough. |
| 15:20.49 | jordanm | ptee1: apt-cache policy network-manager |
| 15:22.08 | ptee1 | jordanm: it looks fine. |
| 15:22.18 | ptee1 | jordanm: i dont think this is because of network manager. |
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| 15:23.21 | ptee1 | jordanm : how come that i cannot save my change of any filles under /etc/ |
| 15:24.06 | themill | ptee1: any file or just some? What's the output of "mount"? |
| 15:24.07 | jordanm | ptee1: please pastebin that output |
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| 15:24.29 | ptee1 | where i can put the pastebin ? |
| 15:24.37 | jordanm | !paste |
| 15:24.37 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>. |
| 15:24.45 | jordanm | ptee1: any of the site above is fine |
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| 15:26.40 | ptee1 | themill , jordanm : http://paste.debian.net/76493/ |
| 15:26.53 | msm_ | if I partition pen drive under linux using fdisk for fat and ext2 paritions will the windows recognize the fat partition atleast ? I read on net that some bit flipping might be needed for windows but the linux usb partition howto did not mention any thing about it. any one tried this and can share his experience ... |
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| 15:27.35 | trupheenix | hi i'm trying to run dpkg-build -aarmel |
| 15:27.38 | trupheenix | and i get this error |
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| 15:27.48 | trupheenix | tail: cannot open `debian/changelog' for reading: No such file or directory |
| 15:27.48 | trupheenix | dpkg-buildpackage: error: tail of debian/changelog gave error exit status 1 |
| 15:27.52 | trupheenix | why? |
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| 15:28.41 | jordanm | trupheenix: are you missing a debian/changelog file? |
| 15:28.56 | trupheenix | jordanm, i wouldn't know |
| 15:29.08 | jordanm | trupheenix: perhaps you should check? |
| 15:29.20 | trupheenix | jordanm where? |
| 15:29.30 | themill | !wayttd trupheenix |
| 15:29.30 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, trupheenix? |
| 15:29.37 | jordanm | trupheenix: in the debian/ dir of the sources |
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| 15:30.13 | trupheenix | jordanm ok ok now i get it. so first i need to get the source using apt-get source. |
| 15:30.27 | trupheenix | jordanm then i need to cd to the directory |
| 15:31.01 | trupheenix | jordanm then i need to run dpkg-buildpackage -aarmel |
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| 15:31.27 | jordanm | !tell trupheenix about package recompile |
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| 15:31.54 | msm_ | any one know if mixed partitions fat and ext2 on usb pen drive will work on windows for fat ? |
| 15:32.06 | msm_ | http://tldp.org/HOWTO/html_single/Flash-Memory-HOWTO/#mixed |
| 15:32.06 | trupheenix | jordanm i'm trying to build armel packages |
| 15:32.37 | jordanm | msm_: I would ask ##windows |
| 15:32.53 | msm_ | okie |
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| 15:42.02 | trupheenix | what is pdebuild? |
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| 15:43.06 | jordanm | trupheenix: that should be explained in the DESCRIPTION section of man pdebuild |
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| 15:45.18 | trupheenix | jordanm pbuilder way of doing debuild |
| 15:45.36 | trupheenix | jordanm don't understand what it means exactly |
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| 15:47.44 | jordanm | trupheenix: pbuilder builds packages in a clean chroot |
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| 15:48.50 | trupheenix | jordanm ok ... u mean it takes a source directory and makes a package out of it? |
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| 15:50.12 | jordanm | trupheenix: look at what debuild does. it will do the same as debuild, only inside a chroot |
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| 15:50.32 | trupheenix | jordanm ok |
| 15:50.55 | trupheenix | jordanm why so much emphasis on chroot? cant i build a package outside a chroot? |
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| 15:51.49 | jordanm | trupheenix: sure, but the point is to have a chroot with only the base-files and build-depends of the package. this ensures that the build-depends of the package really are corect and also allows for building against distros you are not currently running |
| 15:52.06 | trupheenix | jordanm ok |
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| 16:06.19 | jhutchins_lt | trupheenix: There's also a good bit of paranoia that seems to track back to the CentOS camp about building software being potentially hazardous to your base system. |
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| 16:06.41 | jhutchins_lt | trupheenix: I think the argument that it provides a clean, minimal environment and helps eliminate multiple depends is much better. |
| 16:06.53 | jhutchins_lt | s/multiple/unnecessary/ |
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| 16:07.14 | trupheenix | jhutchins_lt, i actually cross compile so i find a chroot more convenient for that. doesn't screw up my base system ;) |
| 16:07.15 | SerajewelKS | though that can also make conflicts harder to discover |
| 16:07.51 | jhutchins_lt | Debian packages are pretty good, but there are a full that still want to pull in half of Gnome even if you're running KDE. |
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| 16:08.22 | jhutchins_lt | s/full/few - I'm gonna go get more coffee... |
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| 16:09.33 | HermanDE | Hello.... |
| 16:09.54 | HermanDE | Anybody have any pointers for a string overflow error on Samba after an Etch to Lenny upgrade? |
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| 16:12.47 | jordanm | HermanDE: have you already read the lenny release notes? |
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| 16:15.12 | HermanDE | jordanm, Going back through them again.... |
| 16:16.15 | jordanm | HermanDE: I just had a look, nothing specific to samba in the potential issues. where are you getting the sring overflow errors? in dmesg? |
| 16:16.55 | HermanDE | jordanm, Samba logs..... |
| 16:17.27 | nuscire | hi. i'm using squeeze. i use cron to retrieve emails. the corresponding line in crontab is `* * * * * /usr/bin/fetchmail >/dev/null 2>&1'. but i get a lot of mails sent by cron to my local spool, saying something like `fetchmail failed...'. why? |
| 16:18.00 | HermanDE | jordanm, I've got a Samba server working as a DC... With an LDAP backend.... Everything was cherry until Samba started squashing writting due to a string overflow error.... |
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| 16:18.12 | jordanm | HermanDE: can I see the full error? |
| 16:18.16 | jelly | nuscire: have you tried removing the quieting parts of that command line, to get actual fetchmail output? |
| 16:18.40 | HermanDE | jordanm, lib/util_str.c:safe_strcpy_fn(709) |
| 16:18.41 | HermanDE | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:19.06 | HermanDE | jordanm, I've got hundreds of entries now.... |
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| 16:19.35 | nuscire | jelly: yes. fetchmail gives error message with code 1 when it can't find mail in the server. |
| 16:19.51 | jelly | nuscire: does fetchmail work when run in an interactive shell as the same user? |
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| 16:20.18 | HermanDE | jordanm, Google is great for this particular error.... :) |
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| 16:20.26 | jordanm | HermanDE: can you verify your software versions with: apt-cache policy samba libc6 |
| 16:20.39 | jordanm | HermanDE: yes, I see it discussed on an upstream thread |
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| 16:20.58 | acu_ | I installed virt-manager on qemu-kvn debian squeeze - create a bridge on host and asigned an IP in the guest - I can access the guest from internet - but I cannot access the internet from the guest (virtual machine) - what should I do ? |
| 16:21.32 | nuscire | jelly: yes, it works well interactively. my previous setting of cron worked also, but after an upgrading some days ago, it went wrong as i said. |
| 16:21.41 | jordanm | HermanDE: ah, it was declared a documentation bug here: http://lists.samba.org/archive/samba/2004-July/089571.html |
| 16:21.49 | jordanm | hmm... 2004 |
| 16:21.54 | jordanm | should have read the date first |
| 16:22.01 | jelly | nuscire: does it also have an exit status of 1 when run interactively? |
| 16:22.22 | nuscire | yes, if there is no mail. |
| 16:22.36 | jordanm | acu_: most likely, fix your DNS |
| 16:22.59 | jelly | nuscire: dunno, if that's what the manual says it ought to do, then it's what it ought to do. |
| 16:23.25 | themill | wonders why you'd run fetchmail from cron anyway |
| 16:23.26 | jordanm | HermanDE: I would still look at your "mangling method" in smb.conf |
| 16:23.54 | HermanDE | jordanm, No mangling here.... I only run Win2K+ clients.... |
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| 16:24.26 | jhutchins_lt | themill: Greater flexibility and controll. It can run at varying intervals at different times of the day. Also clears "wedged" servers better. |
| 16:24.40 | nuscire | jelly: actually, `fetchmail -v' gives "normal termination, status 1". |
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| 16:25.10 | jordanm | HermanDE: did you verify your versions of samba and libc6 are correct for lenny? |
| 16:25.18 | HermanDE | jordanm, As to the policy..... I've got both security patches installed.... From stable.... (Lenny) |
| 16:25.26 | themill | jhutchins_lt: not when your cron line is "* * * * *" ... |
| 16:25.26 | nuscire | jelly: but cron complains about that error. |
| 16:25.44 | acu_ | joranm can you give me a working dns server ip ? |
| 16:25.57 | jhutchins_lt | themill: It _allows_ that possibily though, I run it from cron too. |
| 16:26.11 | HermanDE | acu_, Try googles.... 8.8.8.8 |
| 16:26.13 | jhutchins_lt | themill: A holdover from when I had to conserve resourses more. |
| 16:26.21 | HermanDE | acu_, works quite well... :) |
| 16:26.25 | jelly | nuscire: as it should. Please read the EXIT CODES section of fetchmail manual |
| 16:26.27 | jordanm | HermanDE: so you have libc6-2.7-18lenny2 and samba-3.2.5-4lenny9? |
| 16:26.31 | themill | jhutchins_lt: fair enough.... fetchmail on its own has always been more than enough for me... but I'm a simple bear... |
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| 16:26.44 | HermanDE | jordanm, Yep..... Fully installed and working.... |
| 16:26.47 | acu_ | HermanDE are you kidding me? 8.8.8.8 ? |
| 16:26.55 | jhutchins_lt | nuscire: You might re-arrange your redirect: 2>&1 /dev/nul |
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| 16:27.03 | HermanDE | acu_, Nope.... It is *yet* another service from google.... |
| 16:27.04 | jelly | acu_: that is correct |
| 16:27.10 | jordanm | HermanDE: working? so samba is working even though it is throwing those exceptions in the logs? |
| 16:27.18 | HermanDE | acu_, They also have 8.8.4.4 as a secondary.... |
| 16:27.27 | acu_ | cool thank you |
| 16:27.33 | HermanDE | jordanm, Yep... And blocking writes.... |
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| 16:27.49 | nuscire | jelly: yes, i did, and tried to fix it as it says. no difference, though. anyway, thank you! |
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| 16:27.54 | jelly | jhutchins_lt: no, the original is correct if one wants to silence both stdout and stderr |
| 16:28.13 | jhutchins_lt | jelly: Yet it's not working. |
| 16:28.26 | jhutchins_lt | I can't find any cron redirects... |
| 16:28.28 | jelly | jhutchins_lt: it's working as expected |
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| 16:28.57 | jordanm | HermanDE: is this a testing machine you are currently working with? |
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| 16:29.12 | pzn | will install debian. dual-core intel pentium 4 3.2Ghz is 32 or 64bits? |
| 16:29.25 | jelly | nuscire: ok, so you're saying /usr/bin/fetchmail >/dev/null 2>&1 || [ $? -eq 1 ] also makes cron complain of non-zero return codes? |
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| 16:29.49 | HermanDE | jordanm, Full Production machine.... :) |
| 16:29.55 | acu_ | One more question - when you set the broadcasting - I have noticed that the IP for broadcast is just one number higher than your last IP eg 23.23.23.180 last IP and 23.23.23.181 is the broadcast - now - for virtual machine (guest) the IP is 23.23.23.170 and the host bridge IP is 171 should I place the bridge IP as the broadcast ? |
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| 16:30.06 | HermanDE | jordanm, Can't have an emergency on a test machine........ |
| 16:30.30 | jordanm | HermanDE: right... there never would have been an emergency... |
| 16:30.45 | jhutchins_lt | jelly: Why's he getting emails then? |
| 16:31.07 | jelly | jhutchins_lt: because the command exits with a nonzero exit code |
| 16:31.09 | nuscire | jelly: no, the status code is 0, but the mails come as usual. i don't think it's the matter of exit code. |
| 16:31.20 | HermanDE | jordanm, Debian has a problem of *just working*..... And has been proven wrong in this situation.... |
| 16:31.40 | jordanm | HermanDE: well I would suggest the backports package in hopes that it was an issue resolved in upstream. personally, I would not be very open to trying this on a production machine (although I wouldn't have been open to upgrading to lenny without thurough testing either) |
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| 16:31.56 | jelly | nuscire: please plastebin a complete unwanted mail resulting from a "/usr/bin/fetchmail >/dev/null 2>&1 || [ $? -eq 1 ]" job |
| 16:32.00 | jhutchins_lt | jelly: Sorry to belabor the point, but it never does that for me, and I don't even have a redirect. |
| 16:32.06 | jordanm | thorough |
| 16:32.22 | HermanDE | jordanm, That is the fun part.... It was tested.... Same machine hardware/load..... |
| 16:32.27 | jhutchins_lt | nuscire: could you pastebin the defaults section of your fetchmailrc? |
| 16:32.30 | pzn | how can I know if my processor supports 64bit kernel by looking at /proc/cpuinfo (currently 32bit running on it)? |
| 16:32.36 | HermanDE | jordanm, The test machine is working fine..... |
| 16:32.45 | HermanDE | jordanm, Without a hitch..... |
| 16:32.50 | jelly | jhutchins_lt: it ought to. set up a /bin/false job to verify |
| 16:33.00 | HermanDE | jordanm, Just can't put the test machine into a production mode...... |
| 16:33.01 | acu_ | for dns-nameservers 8.8.8.8 for dns-search what should I put ? |
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| 16:33.21 | jordanm | HermanDE: put the test server into production? :) |
| 16:33.41 | jelly | pzn: there will be a " lm " string in flags line |
| 16:33.49 | HermanDE | jordanm, Love to..... |
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| 16:34.31 | jhutchins_lt | nuscire: my defaults section is set no bouncemail \set syslog, and my call is just /usr/bin/fetchmail |
| 16:34.45 | jhutchins_lt | I don't get any emails from fetchmail. |
| 16:34.46 | pzn | jelly, no "lm" in flags... so only 32bits... |
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| 16:35.19 | jordanm | HermanDE: was your test machine also using winbind? |
| 16:35.29 | nuscire | jhutchins_lt: which section? fetchmail works well interactively, and it also worked with cron some days ago, before a recent upgrading of squeeze. i don't know which part goes ill. |
| 16:35.59 | jhutchins_lt | nuscire: ah, well I am on lenny, that's probably the difference, a pickier setup of cron. |
| 16:36.11 | jhutchins_lt | nuscire: Since cron is testing it may default to more logging. |
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| 16:36.20 | jhutchins_lt | nuscire: Do you have "set syslog"? |
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| 16:37.27 | nuscire | jhutchins_lt: "set syslog"? i don't know much about it. i think it's the matter of squeeze. |
| 16:37.48 | jhutchins_lt | nuscire: That redirects some messages to the syslog, which may be why you get mail and I don't. |
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| 16:38.39 | HermanDE | jordanm, That would only be a problem if I had long server names.... |
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| 16:39.14 | nuscire | jhutchins_lt: Subject: Cron <nuscire@debian> /usr/bin/fetchmail >/dev/null 2>&1 (failed) |
| 16:39.37 | nuscire | jhutchins_lt: this is the title of the message i received. |
| 16:39.50 | qwd | I removed some files as root and the option for emptying trash in Nautilus is grey and unavailable. The files are still taking up space but I don't know where they are. Any idea on how to empty roots trash when Nautilus won't let you? |
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| 16:40.14 | tharkun | qwd: .Trash0 |
| 16:40.30 | jordanm | HermanDE: what would be? winbind? that seems to be the source of this issue. are you running selinux? |
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| 16:40.43 | nuscire | jelly: "Subject: Cron <nuscire@debian> /usr/bin/fetchmail >/dev/null 2>&1 (failed)", this is the very title of the mails. |
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| 16:41.15 | qwd | tharkun: thanks, found it :) it wasn't on the system drive but on the other one. |
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| 16:41.25 | tharkun | qwd: np |
| 16:42.13 | jelly | nuscire: please plastebin a complete unwanted mail resulting from a "/usr/bin/fetchmail >/dev/null 2>&1 || [ $? -eq 1 ]" job |
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| 16:42.48 | nuscire | jelly: okay, working on that... |
| 16:43.06 | jelly | I suspect there will be none |
| 16:43.38 | jhutchins_lt | nuscire: Your redirect syntax is correct, as jelly said. &> is shorthand for 2>&1 |
| 16:43.52 | saxamo | really? |
| 16:43.59 | jhutchins_lt | nuscire: Also try the set syslog option in .fetchmailrc. |
| 16:44.06 | HermanDE | jordanm, It sounds like you are following the exact same path I have been taking.... Google does not follow this exact problem.... |
| 16:44.11 | HermanDE | SE Linux has been disabled.... |
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| 16:44.25 | HermanDE | jordanm, winbind is not active..... |
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| 16:44.46 | nuscire | jhutchins_lt: okay, set syslog. |
| 16:45.30 | jelly | jhutchins_lt: &> sounds like a bashism |
| 16:45.35 | jordanm | HermanDE: back to trying the backports package... |
| 16:45.47 | jhutchins_lt | jelly: bash4 |
| 16:46.16 | jordanm | it is a bashism, but not specifically bash4 (works in my bash3) |
| 16:47.29 | jhutchins_lt | jordanm: That's just what the doc I checked said. |
| 16:47.38 | jelly | I'm saying that because cron is run with /bin/sh, not bash, not user's login shell. So bashisms are not recommended |
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| 16:47.49 | jelly | s/cron/a cron job/ |
| 16:48.03 | jhutchins_lt | jordanm: http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/io-redirection.html |
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| 16:48.26 | HermanDE | jordanm, That's what I'm thinking.... |
| 16:48.34 | HermanDE | At the worst, I could replace with stable... |
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| 16:48.43 | jhutchins_lt | jelly: /bin/sh -> bash |
| 16:48.53 | jordanm | jhutchins_lt: 2010-06-07 12:48 <greybot> the tldp bash guide is outdated, and in some cases just plain wrong. There's a reason it isn't in the topic. |
| 16:49.03 | jordanm | according to the #bash bot |
| 16:49.33 | jhutchins_lt | That's "Advanced Bash Scripting". |
| 16:49.35 | themill | jhutchins_lt: but, when you get to squeeze, sh->dash by default. And since this is squeeze's fetchmail, it's worth taking care of that. |
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| 16:50.31 | jelly | jhutchins_lt: not here! |
| 16:50.42 | ente | is there a proper guide how to setup a package repo? |
| 16:50.48 | ente | I didn't find one |
| 16:50.51 | themill | dpkg: tell ente about own repo |
| 16:50.55 | jhutchins_lt | abs was updated 17 march 2010. |
| 16:50.55 | nuscire | FINALLY!!! the unwanted mails go! |
| 16:51.06 | jhutchins_lt | nuscire: set syslog? |
| 16:51.24 | ente | dpkg-scanpackages is slow compared to apt-ftparchive |
| 16:51.39 | ente | I asked for a proper guide, not some instructions with ; between them |
| 16:52.04 | themill | ente: reading is optional. |
| 16:52.06 | nuscire | jhutchins_lt: no, with || [ $? -eq 1 ], as jelly said. |
| 16:52.15 | ente | themill: hm? |
| 16:52.24 | themill | ente: did you even read dpkg's factoid? |
| 16:52.43 | jelly | nuscire: not jelly, the fine manual did |
| 16:52.45 | ente | I've seen enough of dpkg |
| 16:53.18 | themill | ente: if you don't want help and don't want to read, then you're in the wrong place using the wrong medium. |
| 16:53.37 | ente | themill: I don't know what you're talking about |
| 16:53.48 | themill | ente: [17:51] <themill> ente: did you even read dpkg's factoid? |
| 16:54.25 | ente | where? |
| 16:54.29 | themill | oh ffs |
| 16:54.36 | nuscire | jelly: thank you very much! i remember why my previous setting with ||[] didn't work. the command i wrote is `/usr/bin/fetchmail || [ $? -eq 1] >/dev/null 2>&1'. lol. |
| 16:55.00 | ente | themill: do you mean the bot, the package manager or what else? |
| 16:55.12 | ente | I *DID* read what this bot told me in the query |
| 16:55.22 | jelly | nuscire: that would have gotten you a different style of unwanted mail |
| 16:55.23 | themill | ente: did you read it right through to the end? |
| 16:55.48 | jordanm | is guessing ente wanted the "or see <reprepro>" at the end |
| 16:55.59 | jelly | nuscire: fetchmail -q || .... might also be good enough |
| 16:56.13 | ente | themill: it does not contain any valuable information |
| 16:56.31 | ente | just exactly what we have now |
| 16:56.58 | themill | ente: then what you seek apparently doesn't exist, since /usr/share/doc/reprepro/ clearly wouldn't have any documentation at all. |
| 16:58.04 | ente | I don't get why the apt-ftparchive tries to put the MD5-sum into the release file I am just creating, I don't get why someone had the clever idea to scramble URLs in the sources.list and I don't get why aptitude always ends up fetching the files from the wrong location |
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| 16:58.48 | jhutchins_lt | ente: So when you figure it out, document it and we'll all have a better guide. |
| 16:59.32 | nuscire | jelly: oh, my network is down just now. i think you are right. thank you for your help! |
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| 16:59.53 | ente | how about not scrambling URLs so nobody has a clue anymore where the files are even located? who wrote this package manager?! why does it have to suck so much? |
| 16:59.57 | nuscire | jhutchins_lt: thank you! |
| 16:59.59 | jelly | nuscire: np, cheers |
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| 17:00.25 | jhutchins_lt | ente: Write a better one. |
| 17:00.43 | jhutchins_lt | ente: It's worth every penny you paid for it after all. |
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| 17:01.10 | themill | ente: Take a timeout from #debian and use that time to work out how you can ask some sensible questions that indicate that you've even tried to read the available documentation. |
| 17:01.28 | nuscire | jelly: it's quite late in my timezone ;-) time to sleep, bye~ |
| 17:01.31 | jordanm | themill: too late |
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| 17:06.47 | Hui_Nan | hi all |
| 17:07.01 | Hui_Nan | I'ma bit confused with Debian Java policy |
| 17:07.44 | Hui_Nan | where should I place a jar-file so the JVM would find it without CLASSPATH, which is "legacy" |
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| 17:08.24 | jelly | /usr/share/java I think |
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| 17:17.14 | Caelum | is there a debian news site you can submit links to? |
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| 17:17.54 | jhutchins_lt | Caelum: You could post it here if it's not unrelated spam. |
| 17:18.50 | Caelum | ok, if anyone is interested in syncing music to iphone/ipod-touch on sid, http://blog.cachemiss.com/articles/Using%20gtkpod%20with%20an%20iPhone%20or%20iPod%20Touch%20in%20Debian.pod |
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| 17:21.04 | msm_ | I fdisk my usb pen drive but before making file system on partitions I reboot. now the pen drive I dont know what to mount on. dmesg shows usb errors like device not accepting address .... |
| 17:21.12 | Appetite | What's the default umask? |
| 17:21.41 | msm_ | I mean what /dev/sd* to use to mount ? |
| 17:21.45 | jordanm | Caelum: there is a debian news mailing list, but not for something like that (which isn't news) |
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| 17:21.50 | jordanm | !sudosmite Caelum |
| 17:21.51 | dpkg | takes a lump of 2x4 to Caelum and yells "This is not #ubuntu!!!1!" |
| 17:21.59 | abrotman | Caelum: one note, sudo is not configured by default, it might just be easier to have to be a '#' instead |
| 17:22.11 | msm_ | or even better what /dev/sd* to use to fdisk or mk the fiel systems... |
| 17:22.22 | Caelum | abrotman: good point, thank you |
| 17:22.27 | jhutchins_lt | Caelum: You should explain why it's necessary to modify the existing packages, what changes you are making to them, and which steps are just normal configuration for the setp vs. special steps necessary for sid. |
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| 17:22.41 | Appetite | What's the default umask? |
| 17:22.44 | abrotman | Caelum: many people that understand linux understand that '#' means it should have root privs |
| 17:22.49 | jhutchins_lt | abrotman: On lenny it's configured but users aren't automatically added to the sudo group. |
| 17:22.51 | abrotman | Appetite: for what? |
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| 17:23.02 | Appetite | abrotman: for a user. i added a 'umask' line in my ~/.bashrc and it's messing me up |
| 17:23.05 | netkevin | Hey, I used reportbug to, well, report a bug yesterday and the report is nowhere to be found. Does it take a long time? |
| 17:23.09 | themill | jhutchins_lt: a base install doesn't install it at all. |
| 17:23.13 | abrotman | jhutchins_lt: it's not even installed by default .. and i'm pretty sure completely unconfigured |
| 17:23.19 | jhutchins_lt | Hm. |
| 17:23.22 | netkevin | No confirmation email, either. |
| 17:23.24 | Appetite | abrotman: i want full perms for owner, none for group, none for others. |
| 17:23.26 | themill | Caelum: http://debian-news.net/ might care. |
| 17:23.36 | jhutchins_lt | abrotman: It's configured here, and I don't think I specified it... checking other systems... |
| 17:23.42 | jordanm | Caelum: it might be more useful to (re)package that application |
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| 17:24.47 | Caelum | jordanm: true, I'm not a DD anymore though |
| 17:24.50 | jhutchins_lt | abrotman: My mistake, I guess I should keep better logs. |
| 17:25.10 | Appetite | WHat umask should i use if i want full perms for owner, none for ggroup, none for other? |
| 17:25.53 | msm_ | hi I seem to have corrupted my usb pen drive by partitioning it using fdisk and forgotting to make file systems on it. now how to know what /dev/sd* to use to make file systems ? |
| 17:26.14 | jhutchins_lt | msm_: hotplug it, look at dmesg |
| 17:26.23 | jordanm | msm_: only you would know that since you created them |
| 17:26.25 | jhutchins_lt | msm_: do fdisk -l and identify other sd's. |
| 17:26.40 | jordanm | misunderstood the question |
| 17:26.46 | jordanm | what jhutchins_lt said |
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| 17:28.25 | msm_ | fdisk -l shows sda, sda1 |
| 17:29.02 | msm_ | dmesg on hotplug shows things like device not accepting address 32, error -71...and it goes on to try address 36.. |
| 17:29.55 | msm_ | jhutchins_lt: sda, sda1 have always been there...earlier I was seeing things when I fdisk as sd4 |
| 17:30.11 | netkevin | Can anyone give me a hint about why my bug report disappeared? |
| 17:30.15 | msm_ | jhutchins_lt: now fdisk /dev/sd4 does not work.... |
| 17:31.11 | jordanm | netkevin: most likely it was forward to another package. you should have got an email |
| 17:31.20 | netkevin | I didn't. |
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| 17:31.38 | jordanm | netkevin: are you sure it was ever there? what bug #? |
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| 17:31.45 | netkevin | After reportbug, there was no sign of it anywhere. No email, nothing on BTS. |
| 17:31.59 | abrotman | how long ago ? |
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| 17:32.03 | netkevin | No logs that I can find. |
| 17:32.08 | netkevin | Yesterday. |
| 17:32.09 | jordanm | netkevin: ah, are you sure your MTA properly sent it? |
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| 17:32.22 | netkevin | Well, it was just reportbug. |
| 17:32.23 | jordanm | (assuming you were using your system's mta and not the MUA option) |
| 17:32.28 | msm_ | dmesg show the cruzer micro ...sandisk...etc....the logs are like usb 5-1: Product: Cruzer Micro |
| 17:32.56 | msm_ | usb-storage: device found at 9 |
| 17:33.05 | netkevin | How it gets from reportbug to the BTS, I have no idea. |
| 17:33.07 | msm_ | waiting for device to settle |
| 17:33.35 | jordanm | netkevin: its all an email system. if you did not specify an email client to use with --mua=, then it uses your system's MTA. check your MTA logs |
| 17:33.44 | jelly | msm_: a few seconds after, it ought to settle enough for the partition table to be detected and read |
| 17:34.22 | jelly | jordanm: are you sure it doesn't send directly? |
| 17:34.43 | SerajewelKS | jelly: you mean acting as an MTA on its own? no. |
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| 17:34.47 | jordanm | jelly: huh? directly using your system's MTA |
| 17:34.59 | SerajewelKS | jelly: reportbug is not an MTA. it can be configured to use a smarthost IIRC. |
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| 17:35.11 | jordanm | or a MUA such as icedove |
| 17:35.45 | jelly | SerajewelKS: can it not be told to use debian.org MX (or whatever) as a smarthost, that is, send mail directly? |
| 17:35.47 | jordanm | thought the tool covered all this in an interactive "first run" mode |
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| 17:36.28 | netkevin | jordanm: I don't think I have a MTA on my laptop. |
| 17:36.32 | msm_ | pastebin.com/Kh8xV1Hr |
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| 17:37.48 | jordanm | netkevin: you likely do, but its probably not configured to send. I would report the bug again using --mua or -o (output to file) option. if you output to a file, just email the report manually |
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| 17:40.24 | netkevin | jordanm: I'm sorry, but this is not making any sense to me. reportbug silently discards messages if you don't have an MTA which it doesn't depend on? |
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| 17:41.04 | netkevin | Instead of, say, delivering directly to the debian SMTP server? |
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| 17:43.06 | jordanm | netkevin: it "Suggests" an MTA. It was my understanding that the first time you run the tool it asks your questions about how it will send. It in no way requires you have your own MTA, and has other options such as --mua, -o, and --smtphost that do not require an MTA |
| 17:43.20 | jordanm | netkevin: and what would that debian SMTP server do? sit on the internet as an open relay? |
| 17:43.27 | jelly | jordanm: open? |
| 17:43.42 | netkevin | jordanm: Same as every other SMTP server on the internet. |
| 17:43.50 | jelly | jordanm: it would receive mail for @debian.org or @bugs.debian.org domain, as it already does |
| 17:44.26 | jordanm | netkevin: when I send an email to foobar@yahoo.com, my client does not connect to a yahoo.com mailserver |
| 17:44.33 | netkevin | Anyway, it never asked me anything about how to send the mail. *shrug* |
| 17:45.20 | netkevin | jordanm: I agree, but if you used, say, sendmail I think it would. |
| 17:45.23 | jelly | netkevin: I _think_ it does the right thing by default, and it complains and leaves a file somewhere if it's unable to send... but I didn't verify my memory |
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| 17:45.51 | netkevin | Is there any indication if the message gets spam filtered or something like that? |
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| 17:45.55 | jelly | but SerajewelKS says it ain't so, so who knows |
| 17:46.03 | msm_ | jelly: not settled yet ! |
| 17:46.15 | jelly | msm_: and it never will :-D |
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| 17:46.25 | msm_ | jelly: what man ... |
| 17:46.27 | tharkun | netkevin: sendmail does not connect directly to the final destination, it connects to the local mta |
| 17:46.51 | msm_ | jelly: you looked at pastebin if it has some clues |
| 17:46.53 | tharkun | netkevin: take a look down at mail.log maillog or whatever you have on /var/log |
| 17:47.27 | netkevin | None of the mail.* in /var/log contain anything. |
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| 17:48.30 | msm_ | jhutchins_lt: I have provided paste bin url ....you see any thing useful ? |
| 17:48.55 | jelly | netkevin: if you have the default exim installed, take a look at /var/log/exin4/mainlog instead |
| 17:49.01 | jelly | netkevin: mind the typos |
| 17:49.05 | netkevin | I don't |
| 17:49.21 | msm_ | jordanm: saw my paste bin url .... |
| 17:49.40 | abrotman | see .. this is why i snailmail all my bug reports! |
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| 17:50.24 | jelly | is blind to all URLs missing the protocol:// bit |
| 17:51.12 | msm_ | jelly: any clue please... |
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| 17:51.22 | jelly | msm_: not really... your device and your driver/controller don't like each other very much |
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| 17:51.41 | jelly | msm_: I got nothing except for the default "try a newer kernel" |
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| 17:51.50 | msm_ | ok |
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| 17:52.12 | jelly | also try a different port; or a different machine to stick it in |
| 17:52.49 | netkevin | python-reportbug's submit.py uses a direct SMTP connection to reportbug.debian.org (at least in some cases) |
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| 17:53.27 | msm_ | reformatted in windows... |
| 17:53.29 | msm_ | all well now |
| 17:53.54 | jordanm | ,info python-reportbug |
| 17:53.56 | judd | No record of package 'python-reportbug' in lenny/i386. |
| 17:54.01 | jordanm | ,info python-reportbug --release sid |
| 17:54.03 | judd | python-reportbug (python, standard): Python modules for interacting with bug tracking systems. Version: 4.12.2; Size: 121.8k; Installed: 360k; Homepage: http://alioth.debian.org/projects/reportbug/ |
| 17:54.31 | rhalff | odd I'm doing something like rdiff-backup -r 360D backup_dir new_dir, but some files restored are from only 120 days ago, anyone using rdiff-backup and knows what's going on ? |
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| 17:57.25 | netkevin | OK, getting back to my original question, does it take several hours for a bug report to show up anywhere, or can I assume that something went wrong and try to send it again? |
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| 17:58.00 | abrotman | netkevin: typically takes 15-60 minutes to get a response, usually more toward the low-end |
| 17:58.13 | jordanm | netkevin: I would say about an hour before it shows up on the site, but you should get an automated email reply rather quickly |
| 17:58.26 | netkevin | If I use reportbug to report a bug in reportbug will the universe implode? |
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| 17:59.57 | abrotman | netkevin: not in the slightest |
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| 18:00.15 | abrotman | netkevin: if it makes you feel better, you can also use a regular webmail thing like gmail or yahoo to report a bug |
| 18:00.19 | jelly | netkevin: not as much as reportbug-ng crashing _while_ reporting a bug! |
| 18:00.33 | jelly | broy_: OY |
| 18:00.57 | JPT | hm? |
| 18:01.02 | JPT | i run HydraIRC :D |
| 18:01.16 | jelly | -broy_- irssi v0.8.12 - running on Solaris i686 # typical Solaris user, feh! |
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| 18:03.34 | jelly | a just punishment |
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| 18:15.00 | netkevin | So for the record, reportbug without arguments apparently goes through a bunch of configuration that I never saw, because I gave it the --email option. |
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| 18:15.57 | jordanm | netkevin: I would suggest a bug report for it to not do that (possibly wishlist) although, the maintainer might have his hands full with the existing 100 bugs |
| 18:15.59 | datenritter | i have icedove 3.0.4 here, but klicking lnks in e-mails won't work. (have to copy them manually.) how can i track down the problem? |
| 18:16.03 | kW_ | Hello, when I upgrade the kernel using "apt-get install linux-image-2.6-amd64/lenny-backports", I get "linux-image-2.6-amd64: Depends: linux-image-2.6.32-bpo.3-amd64 but it is not installable". How can I resolve this? |
| 18:16.40 | jordanm | datenritter: does it work if you right-click the link and select "open in browser"? |
| 18:16.41 | datenritter | protocoll-handler.app is set to x-www-browser |
| 18:16.48 | datenritter | jordanm: no |
| 18:18.26 | jordanm | datenritter: my upstream thunderbird doesn't even appear to have that value |
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| 18:18.30 | axolx | is there are sh variable that stores the path to the sh script being executed? |
| 18:18.42 | jordanm | axolx: $0 |
| 18:18.46 | jordanm | maybe... |
| 18:19.37 | axolx | jordanm: thanks. thats a relative path. i need an absolute path. |
| 18:19.37 | datenritter | jordanm: network.protocol-handler.app.http ? |
| 18:20.02 | jordanm | axolx: call the script with an absolute instead of relative path? |
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| 18:21.12 | jordanm | datenritter: only network.protocol-handler.expose.* values it appears (unless I am looking in the wrong place) |
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| 18:21.18 | netkevin | axolx: I guess you could normalize the path |
| 18:21.29 | jordanm | datenritter: inside the config editor? |
| 18:21.32 | axolx | netkevin: is there a command to do that? |
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| 18:21.39 | netkevin | readlink maybe+ |
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| 18:21.44 | datenritter | jordanm: yes, search for "handler" |
| 18:21.57 | datenritter | jordanm: sort by name ;) |
| 18:22.06 | netkevin | axolx: I've used readlink -f for that kind of thing, but it might do more than you want. |
| 18:22.29 | jordanm | datenritter: I don't have an values that include .app |
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| 18:23.02 | datenritter | jordanm: you think, i should remove it? |
| 18:23.25 | datenritter | jordanm: oh well, i can't -.- |
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| 18:23.47 | TomyLobo | hi |
| 18:23.56 | nvz | TomyLobo: Hello |
| 18:24.15 | TomyLobo | i'm getting "untrusted package" on everything again, what do i need to install/update? |
| 18:24.21 | TomyLobo | squeeze here |
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| 18:24.41 | jordanm | datenritter: I am using upstream and not icedove... however, I don't see anything that appears to define the http handler. are you sure its not justing trying to call the "Default Browser" from your DE? |
| 18:24.42 | nvz | TomyLobo: just means that you do not have the correct keys for the mirror you are using |
| 18:24.54 | netkevin | TomyLobo: install debian-keyring, I think. |
| 18:25.10 | nvz | TomyLobo: this either indicates that you do not have the debian-archive-keyring installed and up-to-date, or that you are using an unofficial or hacked mirror |
| 18:25.27 | nvz | TomyLobo: make sure that package is installed, and that you have done and apt-get update |
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| 18:25.42 | TomyLobo | netkevin i have that |
| 18:25.52 | datenritter | jordanm: i don't know. i will try to start it from the console and see if any calls appear |
| 18:25.55 | netkevin | Oh, maybe it's debian-archive-keyring. |
| 18:25.58 | TomyLobo | version 2010.03.31 |
| 18:26.07 | netkevin | I don't even have debian-keyring installed, |
| 18:26.13 | nvz | ,versions debian-archive-keyring |
| 18:26.16 | judd | debian-archive-keyring -- etch: 2009.01.31; etch-volatile: 2009.01.31; lenny: 2009.01.31; sid: 2009.01.31; squeeze: 2009.01.31 |
| 18:26.46 | nvz | well thats wrong.. but anywho |
| 18:27.17 | broy_ | ,versions apache2 |
| 18:27.17 | TomyLobo | i have both of them anyway |
| 18:27.19 | judd | apache2 -- etch: 2.2.3-4+etch11; etch-security: 2.2.3-4+etch11; lenny: 2.2.9-10+lenny6; lenny-security: 2.2.9-10+lenny7; sid: 2.2.15-5; squeeze: 2.2.15-5 |
| 18:27.44 | broy_ | ,versions openssh |
| 18:27.45 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'openssh' was found. |
| 18:28.03 | nvz | TomyLobo: as I said, run apt-get update, and see if it gives warnings about the keys |
| 18:28.07 | netkevin | I guess debian-keyring is the keys for debian maintainers (to sign source packages?) and debian-archive-keyring is keys for the Release file in the archive |
| 18:28.15 | TomyLobo | ,versions openssh-server |
| 18:28.17 | judd | openssh-server -- etch: 1:4.3p2-9etch3; etch-security: 1:4.3p2-9etch3; lenny: 1:5.1p1-5; sid: 1:5.5p1-4; squeeze: 1:5.5p1-4 |
| 18:28.20 | ctp | hi folks. anyone here can take a look at http://pastebin.com/SriWVLtr ? i try to read in a large file chunk by chunk and write it same way. but the code hangs :-( |
| 18:28.30 | ctp | uups, sorry, wrong channel ;-) |
| 18:28.57 | netkevin | TomyLobo: You have both keyrings and you're getting untrusted package warnings? Have you done apt-get/aptitude update? |
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| 18:29.13 | TomyLobo | netkevin yesterday, yeah |
| 18:29.18 | netkevin | Weird. |
| 18:29.33 | datenritter | jordanm: no result. if i use strace, it crashes. :\ |
| 18:29.33 | nvz | yeah and apparently I'm invisible even though I know what I'm doing |
| 18:29.42 | nvz | goes back to watching TV |
| 18:30.24 | TomyLobo | just did another update, the packages that can be upgraded are not causing the warning... |
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| 18:30.52 | netkevin | nvz: Sorry for ignoring you if that's what you mean. I don't even try to catch everything that goes by in the channel. |
| 18:31.05 | Leftmost | Is it possible to restrict an apt-get upgrade to security updates only? |
| 18:31.10 | nvz | netkevin: you're not the one that has the issue, he's the one that should be listening to me |
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| 18:31.32 | netkevin | Yeah, but I did parrot the advice you already gave. ;) |
| 18:31.33 | nvz | the packages he's fetching are most likely not from an official repo |
| 18:32.00 | resuni | hi, i'm looking to download debian and i was just wondering what the differences between the dvd and the cd isos are. |
| 18:32.02 | nvz | I would want to see his apt sources list and know what packages he's getting issues with |
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| 18:32.10 | jordanm | Leftmost: if you are running stable, that is the only place you would get new upgrades outside of a point-release anyways |
| 18:32.23 | Rapsodius | lxde doesn't open fluxbox at start, even though i edited the config files |
| 18:32.29 | nvz | resuni: about 4GB |
| 18:32.42 | resuni | lol |
| 18:32.50 | TomyLobo | ok, updating seems to have fixed the issue... odd that it existed though |
| 18:32.51 | netkevin | resuni: Hi. I think if you have a fast internet connection you should just get the CD. You'll install everything else over the network. |
| 18:32.59 | jordanm | resuni: most users want the 150mb netinst CD |
| 18:33.05 | resuni | ah ok thanks |
| 18:33.21 | resuni | which brings me to my second question: |
| 18:33.36 | Leftmost | jordanm, I know, but those aren't the only updates I have right now, and I want to restrict it without having to manually figure out which are security updates. |
| 18:33.41 | nvz | resuni: if you have a broadband connection all you need is a netinstall |
| 18:33.43 | resuni | there's a whole list of isos after i click on the AMD64 link |
| 18:33.51 | resuni | 1-31 |
| 18:33.55 | resuni | which one do i want? |
| 18:33.56 | nvz | resuni: you could even use the BKO Boot.Kernel.Org |
| 18:34.03 | TomyLobo | that's the full archive, resuni ^^ |
| 18:34.07 | TomyLobo | ,netinst |
| 18:34.12 | jordanm | Leftmost: you should most certainly work out the real issue instead of working around it (such as removing a repo from some other distro/release) |
| 18:34.32 | TomyLobo | dpkg, netinst |
| 18:34.32 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, netinst is a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ See also <check iso image>, <dialup install>, <usb install>, <installer>. |
| 18:34.37 | nvz | resuni: the first ISO will be enough to do a basic desktop install from cd, however there are different flavors of ISO1 depending on which desktop system you want.. Gnome, KDE, XFCE.. |
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| 18:34.50 | TomyLobo | resuni read what dpkg said |
| 18:35.22 | nvz | resuni: the default is GNOME, but if you prefer KDE or XFCE or something, you need the ISO1 which has that instead |
| 18:35.36 | resuni | i prefer GNOME |
| 18:35.41 | resuni | so I would want iso 1 right? |
| 18:35.43 | TomyLobo | netinst worked fine with kde |
| 18:35.53 | netkevin | resuni: Die, heathen! |
| 18:35.59 | nvz | of course netinst works with kde.. it has the whole mirror |
| 18:36.02 | jordanm | nvz: IIRC you can use the netinst cd to specify an alternate desktop |
| 18:36.03 | Rapsodius | lxde doesn't open fluxbox at start, even though i edited the config files, help with this? |
| 18:36.04 | resuni | KDE = bloat |
| 18:36.13 | nvz | however if you are only downloading one ISO you need the one that has the desktop you want.. duh |
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| 18:36.19 | jordanm | resuni: debian stable uses 3.5, pre-bloat age for kde |
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| 18:36.25 | datenritter | kde = luxury and comfort :) |
| 18:36.32 | TomyLobo | resuni sadly, kde4 is pretty bloaty :/ |
| 18:36.42 | TomyLobo | but still better than gnome |
| 18:36.53 | resuni | ok, i'm still confused on which one i want then |
| 18:36.58 | Leftmost | I know the issue, and it's only a problem right now. The workaround is what I want. |
| 18:37.00 | nvz | this religious conversation can't end welll |
| 18:37.01 | resuni | if i get iso 1 then it's the default with KDE? |
| 18:37.02 | TomyLobo | netinst |
| 18:37.06 | netkevin | resuni: Where are you looking? |
| 18:37.10 | michaa | anyone trying gnome-shell? |
| 18:37.10 | nvz | resuni: iso 1 comes with GNOME |
| 18:37.12 | resuni | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.4/amd64/iso-cd/ |
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| 18:37.22 | nvz | resuni: unless it specifically says KDE or XFCE on it |
| 18:37.26 | Rapsodius | the netinst cd lets you choose between various DEs |
| 18:37.26 | netkevin | resuni: You should be at http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ I think |
| 18:37.40 | TomyLobo | netinst means least total download i guess |
| 18:37.58 | netkevin | Huh, I don't know what those isos are, resuni. |
| 18:38.07 | resuni | my concern with netinst is that the debian installer won't provide the proper driver for my ethernet card |
| 18:38.18 | netkevin | resuni: That's possible. |
| 18:38.22 | jordanm | nvz: that is not true |
| 18:38.31 | nvz | jordanm: it is true |
| 18:38.33 | resuni | when i tried installing arch with the network install it wouldn't download anything for that resaon |
| 18:38.36 | Rapsodius | resuni: try squeeze netinst (EVIL! warning) |
| 18:38.36 | netkevin | resuni: Or non-free firmware, which was the problem I had recently. |
| 18:38.37 | resuni | *reason |
| 18:38.43 | jordanm | nvz: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch06s03.html.en#di-install-software section 6.3.5.2. Selecting and Installing Software |
| 18:38.52 | jordanm | nvz: boot param: desktop=xfce |
| 18:39.01 | nvz | jordanm: that only applies IF YOU HAVE THE PACKAGES TO INSTALL |
| 18:39.18 | nvz | if you are downloading ONLY ONE cd, then you need the one that HAS THE PACKAGES you want |
| 18:39.33 | nvz | they make ISO 1 in three flavors |
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| 18:39.49 | jordanm | nvz: it can get the packages from a network location. it even specifically says that alternate DEs can be selected using the netinst or businesscard CDs |
| 18:40.05 | netkevin | resuni: What I did was download the .deb with the firmware I needed on my other PC, saved to a USB drive, and did "dpkg -i the-file.deb" before continuing the install. |
| 18:40.09 | jordanm | (which certainly would not have gnome, kde, or xfce on the disk) |
| 18:40.18 | nvz | jordanm: only if someone has means to do so |
| 18:40.34 | nvz | jordanm: tell me how on a PII laptop with no NIC you are going to do that? |
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| 18:41.10 | netkevin | resuni: I'm afraid I don't know of an easy, straight-forward way around the issue, other than having fully-supported hardware. |
| 18:41.17 | jordanm | nvz: tell me, what are you going to do with a laptop with no nic? |
| 18:41.49 | nvz | maybe. in the case I just worked on two days ago.. you have a PCMCIA nic, and a PCMCIA wifi |
| 18:41.53 | nvz | but they don't work in the installer |
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| 18:42.22 | nvz | at any rate, some people who want to download the first ISO don't have access to a mirror, which is why there are different flavors |
| 18:42.39 | jordanm | alright, so there are special use-cases where you have to have it locally... but the same goes for gnome |
| 18:43.24 | nvz | if someone is wanting to download ISOs and do a CD install they need to choose the desktop they want before they download ISO 1, unless they will have access to the mirror or the entire cd set |
| 18:43.47 | resuni | i'm just gonna go for DVD iso 1 |
| 18:44.09 | nvz | that would be about 1/5th the repo on disc |
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| 18:44.25 | nvz | should be enough to install all the most popular things |
| 18:44.26 | resuni | that's fine with me :P |
| 18:44.50 | nvz | it will not work on older systems which do not have a dvd rom though of course |
| 18:44.59 | resuni | i have a dvd rom drive |
| 18:45.12 | resuni | i just hope this works better than ubuntu |
| 18:45.14 | Rapsodius | I need help setting up LXDE, I want to change the window manager, and after a search, modified the file /etc/xdg/lxsession/LXDE/desktop.conf and even with that done, my WM does not start automatically at startup |
| 18:45.17 | nvz | which is why I never use DVD isos, cause I do MANY installs and usually on older hardware |
| 18:45.36 | nvz | resuni: hah, if you couldn't figure out ubuntu I doubt this will be any different |
| 18:46.06 | nvz | resuni: ubuntu is essentially debian but with a faster release cycle and more focus on ease of getting it installed |
| 18:46.18 | resuni | ubuntu would change the network configurations i manually set in places like /etc/resolv.conf and /etc/network/interfaces |
| 18:46.29 | nvz | it only sacrifices some stability and community support for these efforts |
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| 18:46.42 | nvz | resuni: so will debiann, its called network-manager |
| 18:46.45 | resuni | i just want to be able to install something and change the settings without having them changed back by some stupid n00b manager thing |
| 18:46.46 | nvz | and you can remove that package |
| 18:46.47 | jordanm | resuni: that is probably due to network-manager, which is also in place in a default gnome+debian install |
| 18:47.05 | jordanm | resuni: you should disable the network-manager service if you do not use it |
| 18:47.14 | factoryprime | anyone an expert on mod_rewrite? I asked around in the apache channel but everyone is sleeping |
| 18:47.14 | Rapsodius | resuni: you need to edit dhclient configuration |
| 18:47.24 | netkevin | Hm, I don't think network-manager changes /etc/network/interfaces. |
| 18:47.27 | resuni | i use it on my laptop to choose different wireless networks though |
| 18:47.28 | nvz | resuni: don't get in the mindset that different distros will solve those things.. they all use the same software for the most part.. its your job as the admin to remove it if you don't want it |
| 18:47.36 | Rapsodius | so it doesnt changes those files |
| 18:47.37 | netkevin | Definitely /etc/resolv.conf though. |
| 18:47.44 | factoryprime | I need to find out if I can rewrite thisdomain.com to thatdomain.com and still be connected to thisdomain.com |
| 18:47.49 | jordanm | changes the file, no. it may ignore whats there and configure however it pleases though |
| 18:47.50 | nvz | resuni: you can use the "wicd" package for that, which replaces network-manager and allows for static configuration |
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| 18:48.06 | resuni | i heard about that |
| 18:48.20 | resuni | i'd get it if i could get my ubuntu comp to connect to the inter net again >< |
| 18:48.22 | resuni | *internet |
| 18:48.26 | jordanm | factoryprime: #httpd |
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| 18:48.36 | factoryprime | jordanm: ah, thanks |
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| 18:48.43 | netkevin | wicd looks pretty nice. I played with it a bit on my extra, barely working laptop. |
| 18:48.52 | nvz | resuni: well thats the route you wanna go, cause you will just keep switching distros and end up settling with something for the wrong reasons if you don't learn to change things to suit your needs thats the true spirit of FOSS, to change what you don't like |
| 18:49.24 | resuni | i'll get you a link to the help i asked for on the forum. |
| 18:49.26 | nvz | I use n-m on my desktop that only does wired DHCP, but I use wicd on my netbook where I use all sorts of EVDO/CDMA/WIFI/Wired configurations |
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| 18:50.45 | aleray | hi, if I want newer packages, should I go for unstable or testing ? |
| 18:50.48 | nvz | resuni: the only advantage debian will give you in this regaurd is the larger support community to help you learn to do these sorts of things |
| 18:51.04 | resuni | i was under the impression that ubuntu had a larger support community |
| 18:51.06 | netkevin | aleray: That's kind of a tough question IMO |
| 18:51.14 | nvz | resuni: otherwise as far as the things you mentioned, its exactly the same. As ubuntu's method of doing it is a direct spinoff from debian |
| 18:51.17 | netkevin | aleray: You might want to try backports first. |
| 18:51.34 | resuni | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1501808 |
| 18:51.39 | aleray | netkevin, it is a good option, but it is missing too many software in my opinion |
| 18:51.40 | nvz | resuni: ubuntu is a spinoff, there is no way its going to have a larger support community than a distro thats 10 years older |
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| 18:51.48 | netkevin | aleray: Testing seems like it should be more reliable than unstable, but it gets bug fixes more slowly |
| 18:51.55 | aleray | netkevin, for instance awesome wm |
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| 18:52.07 | resuni | it seemed like the guy that kept responding to that thread only wanted me to reconfigure my network in a totally random way |
| 18:52.08 | jordanm | resuni: ubuntu has a larger community... but I have to say, I see they do some really awful support during my google searches |
| 18:52.16 | netkevin | aleray: Some people I know pull packages from unstable on a case-by-case basis. |
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| 18:52.18 | aleray | netkevin, whereas unstable gets more bug fixes ? |
| 18:52.29 | aleray | netkevin, I'm trying to apt-pine |
| 18:52.36 | netkevin | aleray: No, it gets the same fixes, but slower. |
| 18:52.53 | nvz | resuni: but its all your decision. I have started using ubuntu more as people I do work for have it, so I support it when I have to.. but I dont volunteer to support ubuntu like I do debian, simply because I know debian well, and ubuntu not so much. |
| 18:52.56 | resuni | Jordanm: so could i post questions about ubuntu on the debian forums? |
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| 18:53.17 | aleray | netkevin, but for instance I want to install awesome wm, and it has a lot of dependencies, so I have to apt-pine every dependence |
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| 18:53.23 | nvz | I don't feel that I could track ubuntu's changes and give the same quality support for free that I do for debian |
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| 18:53.41 | netkevin | aleray: So, if a buggy package makes it into testing, it tends to stay buggy because the bugs have to be fixed in unstable, then there has to be no new bugs for 10 days for it to migrate to testing. |
| 18:53.44 | nvz | but of course if you're going to pay me, I'll do my homework and support whatever you prefer. heh |
| 18:53.53 | resuni | lol |
| 18:53.58 | nvz | packs up and leaves the library |
| 18:54.16 | lmaowaffle | hello. I'm using debian squeeze. i noticed several messages during boot and shutdown. System reports - with 'warning' status - mpdscribble wasn't started due to being disabled in etc/defaults. I've also disabled MPD daemon in defaults, but don't get that warning. Upon shutdown, I get 2 'failed' error prompts for mpdscribble and mpd not being able to be stopped (as they're not started in the first place) |
| 18:54.22 | Ickarus | hi, is it possible to put automatic a username in the textbox in gdm? no automaticlogin! |
| 18:54.22 | lmaowaffle | what gives? |
| 18:54.35 | aleray | netkevin, ok I see |
| 18:54.54 | resuni | so what would be the best linux forum that supports all distros? |
| 18:54.55 | nvz | Ickarus: perhaps a theme with a browser that you can click on the names like windows does would suit you better? |
| 18:55.02 | aleray | netkevin, my plan was to stay on stable and install only unstable/testing software when needed |
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| 18:55.34 | Ickarus | nvz, i know them, hmm yes if there is no other way |
| 18:56.13 | nvz | Ickarus: there isn't a way to simply put a name in there by default that I know of, and it would be an inconvenience for most people other than that one user |
| 18:56.29 | nvz | in those situations most people would just use auto or timed login |
| 18:56.34 | nvz | if they were the primary user |
| 18:56.51 | nvz | hibernates |
| 18:57.03 | Ickarus | nvz, hm its a singel user system, so i dont want to put my username in it every time ^^ |
| 18:57.04 | Rapsodius | aleray: any testing package you pull will try to get a newer libc6, so you'll end up having to update to testing |
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| 18:57.30 | netkevin | lmaowaffle: That sounds like the packages are kind of screwy. |
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| 18:58.03 | netkevin | lmaowaffle: The packages are responsible for their own startup/shutdown scripts, so if they print useless warnings, they are to blame. |
| 18:58.04 | jordanm | Rapsodius: not any package, specifically the ones that are arch specific (not for arch "all") |
| 18:58.38 | Rapsodius | yeah! but there are many arch specific packages |
| 18:59.01 | netkevin | lmaowaffle: Although, you could disable the scripts from auto-running if they annoy you. See, for example, update-rc.d. |
| 18:59.20 | Rapsodius | so anything he pulls out of squeeze has a high probability of pulling libc squeeze |
| 18:59.22 | netkevin | lmaowaffle: But be warned, dealing with the rc.d links is not pretty. |
| 18:59.31 | lmaowaffle | netkevin: yeah, i was considering that |
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| 18:59.40 | lmaowaffle | i usually use rcconf or that other sysv-* tool |
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| 19:01.51 | jordanm | sysv-rc-conf |
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| 19:02.22 | jordanm | netkevin: FWIW, the update-rc.d manpage recommends using either sysv-rc-conf or bum (instead of update-rc.d) |
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| 19:02.50 | netkevin | Sometimes I like to do things the hard way. ;) |
| 19:03.11 | jordanm | always fine, but no need to recommend the hard way to others :) |
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| 19:03.20 | aleray | Rapsodius, so I will go for testing then |
| 19:03.26 | netkevin | Well, that all depends. Maybe I'm a sadist. |
| 19:04.03 | Rapsodius | aleray: good choice, I have squeeze and nothing screwed up |
| 19:04.32 | netkevin | I think testing has been working pretty well for me for the past several months, but there was a time when I was running into new problems like every day. |
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| 19:05.05 | lmaowaffle | hm, while in rcconf, i noticed service 'kbd' and 'keyboard-config' |
| 19:05.14 | lmaowaffle | what's the difference? is one from an obsolete package? |
| 19:05.30 | jordanm | !tell netkevin about moving target |
| 19:05.36 | netkevin | lmaowaffle: I wish I knew the answer to that. |
| 19:06.00 | jordanm | lmaowaffle: use apt-file to identify the packages they belong to, and possibly checkout the docs for that package |
| 19:06.02 | netkevin | lmaowaffle: I can never figure out what all the keyboard and console packages are for. |
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| 19:06.30 | lmaowaffle | yeah, i have a feeling there are a few redundant packages on my system |
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| 19:08.08 | netkevin | I suspect most users of Debian-based systems get used to redundant packages. |
| 19:08.34 | netkevin | I like to keep things cleaned up, but other people don't seem as concerned about it. |
| 19:09.14 | lmaowaffle | here's a snippet of my boot log: http://paste2.org/p/868568 |
| 19:09.33 | lmaowaffle | line 6 and 7 lead me to believe there are two packages installed that essentially do the same thing |
| 19:09.37 | jordanm | they really do try to keep the redundant packages low, but it is difficult when you are working with 20k packages |
| 19:09.43 | jordanm | !debstats sid |
| 19:09.51 | lmaowaffle | btw, line 9 and 11 shows the errors i get with mpd and mpdscribble |
| 19:09.57 | lmaowaffle | and nfi what's going on with line 1 either |
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| 19:10.42 | netkevin | Line 1 is weird. |
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| 19:12.17 | lmaowaffle | yeah |
| 19:12.26 | jhutchins_lt | Caelum: You haven't updated your blog yet. |
| 19:12.28 | lmaowaffle | i've had that for years now |
| 19:13.37 | netkevin | lmaowaffle: You might want to read /usr/share/doc/console-setup/README.Debian |
| 19:13.51 | netkevin | It talks about how it interacts with other packages. |
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| 19:14.09 | lmaowaffle | netkevin: cheers |
| 19:14.17 | lmaowaffle | i have so many things to read tonight |
| 19:14.23 | lmaowaffle | all debian-related lol |
| 19:14.48 | lmaowaffle | i wish i was able to maintain this machine more frequently |
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| 19:15.03 | lmaowaffle | major version bumps give me headaches |
| 19:15.10 | netkevin | lmaowaffle: This one's short, don't worry. |
| 19:15.32 | netkevin | Time for me to go. Good luck. |
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| 19:15.36 | lmaowaffle | 'cheers |
| 19:16.45 | lmaowaffle | ah, that's a good resource |
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| 19:18.24 | Caelum | jhutchins_lt: what should I update? remove the references to sudo, what else? |
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| 19:30.29 | acu_ | can I shrink a partition which has / ? |
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| 19:31.21 | jordanm | acu_: not while its live, and with risk of data loss, but yes |
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| 19:32.15 | acu_ | actually is a qemu-virt .img disk (virtual machine) |
| 19:32.19 | acu_ | hard disk |
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| 19:36.51 | jordanm | acu_: well, I haven't a clue how you would remove space from that |
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| 19:41.13 | cryptic | hey, i'm trying to set up a security system for my summer house. basically, i have about 10 web cams, a couple smoke sensors, and a couple thermometers. the smoke sensors and thermometers would ideally connect to a digital i/o card. the web cams are usb, so i'm not really sure the best way to interface them with debian |
| 19:41.51 | cryptic | my server connects to the internet through a standard linksys router, and my assumption is that i can forward any traffic on some arbitrary port to the server on the LAN; is this correct? |
| 19:42.05 | juniorsa | Hey I want to monitor my lan traffic, internal ip transfer, I can have a hub before the router, should I just run wireshark? |
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| 19:45.11 | jordanm | juniorsa: if anything, tcpdump. if you run wireshark for long enough, it will eat all memory it can until runs out, making it not good for long-term captures |
| 19:45.28 | eikenberry | How do you create a socket file? |
| 19:45.30 | jordanm | juniorsa: personally, I would use ntop |
| 19:45.34 | juniorsa | tcpdump - no graph |
| 19:45.48 | jordanm | juniorsa: you can open tcpdump captures in wireshark |
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| 19:46.20 | juniorsa | smoothwall |
| 19:46.23 | jordanm | eikenberry: try: man 2 socket |
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| 19:46.55 | eikenberry | jordanm. Sorry, I meant via the command line. |
| 19:47.05 | eikenberry | Like mkfifo does for a pipe. |
| 19:47.07 | jordanm | eikenberry: try: man 2 socket |
| 19:47.12 | eikenberry | ok |
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| 19:50.03 | eikenberry | jordanm. thanks. |
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| 19:56.24 | kenjy | hi guys, I have a issue with VIM, today I opened it and each time I leave a white space in a line vim highlight it, how can I stop this behavor? |
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| 19:59.06 | wad | Hi folks. I'm looking at possibly setting up an IRC server as a way to stream a bunch of textual data to a bunch of other people and/or bots. Any of you guys ever run an IRC server? Which ones should I check into? |
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| 19:59.51 | jelly-home | wad: have a nice botnet! :-D |
| 19:59.57 | abrotman | wad: there has to be a better way |
| 20:00.00 | abrotman | netcat? |
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| 20:00.09 | wad | smacks jelly with a dead spammer. |
| 20:00.24 | jelly-home | abrotman: but he seems to be wanting multicast, not unicast |
| 20:00.27 | wad | abrotman, we've actually looked at netcat and socat. |
| 20:00.39 | wad | To gather the data internally, we're using syslog-ng, actually. |
| 20:00.54 | wad | But we want to stream some of it out to people across the internet, on a subscriber basis. |
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| 20:01.11 | jordanm | rss? |
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| 20:01.32 | wad | We don't want to be brittle; would just rather publish it and let the consumers receive it as they desire. |
| 20:01.38 | eikenberry | xmpp? |
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| 20:02.03 | wad | jordanm, it can, depending on certain things, be a very heavy load of data. |
| 20:02.17 | jordanm | wad: http sounds like a good protocol to host text data for consumers to recieve at their desire |
| 20:02.21 | wad | I'm not sure that RSS can handle that kind of bandwidth. But I don't know much about RSS. |
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| 20:02.45 | jelly-home | wad: volume of data? bandwidth? tunnels and proper syslog protocol? is some loss allowed? is order of messages important? |
| 20:02.47 | wad | jordanm, but it doesn't stream real-time. Think stock market data, or something like that. |
| 20:03.01 | wad | Some loss allowed, order not important. |
| 20:03.30 | wad | volume could be pretty high, around a hundred billion lines per month. |
| 20:03.33 | jelly-home | wad: sounds not unlike audio streams or perhaps audio on demand |
| 20:03.50 | wad | jelly-home, yes, but this is just text. |
| 20:04.00 | jelly-home | wad: irrelevant :-) |
| 20:04.01 | wad | looks up xmpp. |
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| 20:04.41 | jelly-home | gets some modem algos and pipes the sounds thru shoutcast |
| 20:04.44 | _AID_ | thx |
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| 20:05.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | why can't http stream realtime if it wants to? |
| 20:06.10 | wad | Dibbler, Hmm, not sure. I've never tried that before. That's not normal usage of http. |
| 20:06.23 | wad | CutMeOwnThroat, sorry I called you Dibbler. |
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| 20:06.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, I am! |
| 20:06.52 | wad | grins |
| 20:07.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's another Dibbler in here, but he's just an impostor |
| 20:07.22 | _AID_ | doesen't grin |
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| 20:07.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | trying to take advantage of my good reputation |
| 20:07.34 | _AID_ | is pissed at his graphics card |
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| 20:07.49 | wad | attempts to sell CutMeOwnThroat a Named meat pie. |
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| 20:08.57 | jelly-home | threatens wad with a named piPe |
| 20:09.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | was it called spot or fluffy before it became a pie? |
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| 20:09.33 | wad | CutMeOwnThroat, Gaspode!! |
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| 20:10.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | anyway, I don't see why http shouldn't be able to stream live content... there's php and cgi and stuff |
| 20:10.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think I've seen http-based audio streams, too |
| 20:10.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | of course, the data-length field in the header is a bit hard to fill :) |
| 20:11.01 | wad | heh, what's the ASCII code for the infinity symbol? |
| 20:11.19 | jelly-home | 0x38 |
| 20:11.29 | xand | you can stream content over http just fine |
| 20:11.40 | xand | live content |
| 20:11.47 | AimHere | You're somewhat perpendicular, jelly |
| 20:12.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | and I'd think it's not hard to set up either |
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| 20:12.27 | wad | I suppose I could just use a little CGI to feed it. |
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| 20:14.02 | jordanm | wad: the table is actually in "man ascii" |
| 20:14.14 | wad | tries it |
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| 20:14.35 | wad | Hey, that's useful! How many times have I needed that. |
| 20:15.02 | jelly-home | now, if a unicode code point or a utf-8 encoding of said point were asked for... |
| 20:15.09 | jordanm | same... I have found much of the stuff I used to reference via the web is available in manpage form |
| 20:15.44 | jordanm | with /usr/bin/most and color manpages, even better! |
| 20:15.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | man woman |
| 20:15.55 | jelly-home | Character: ∞ U+221E Name: INFINITY |
| 20:16.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | jordanm, less is more than more, but most is too much |
| 20:16.23 | jordanm | CutMeOwnThroat: woman is not something that can be used outside of emacs AFAIK |
| 20:16.33 | _AID_ | is a hot woman |
| 20:16.35 | jelly-home | CutMeOwnThroat: no, less is more |
| 20:16.54 | jordanm | although, I assume there was a joke there outside of the emacs manpage browser called "woman" :) |
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| 20:17.37 | _AID_ | 's |
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| 20:18.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually I don't think there can be a manpage... there are some things man is not meant to understand |
| 20:19.30 | cryptic | anyone know of a list of video capture cards that work under linux? |
| 20:19.57 | _AID_ | 's is hot |
| 20:20.10 | jelly-home | does _AID_ have a Debian question? |
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| 20:22.32 | _AID_ | is debian hot? |
| 20:22.45 | _AID_ | can i see debian's face? |
| 20:22.48 | jelly-home | !ops _AID_'s trolling |
| 20:22.48 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: jelly-home complains about: _AID_'s trolling |
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| 20:24.10 | _AID_ | thats a lot of people lol |
| 20:24.11 | _AID_ | srry |
| 20:24.27 | _AID_ | there is like 222 people online and only 30 mentioned |
| 20:24.29 | _AID_ | whatever |
| 20:24.41 | _AID_ | complains about trolling |
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| 20:28.10 | javagamer | hi |
| 20:28.47 | javagamer | I'm trying to install debian, but I seem to be having some trouble getting it to recognize my ethernet card |
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| 20:29.25 | jordanm | javagamer: can you give us the pciid? lscpi -nn |
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| 20:29.31 | Bushmills | "it" being the installed debian, or the installer? |
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| 20:29.35 | javagamer | I finally found online that I need to set the driver to e1000e, yet when I select that and hit enter it takes me back to the screen that says "No Ethernet card was detected..." |
| 20:29.45 | jordanm | !kmuto |
| 20:29.45 | dpkg | For Debian Lenny installers with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ . The <bnx2> and <bnx2x> firmware files for Linux 2.6.32 are included in 0116 images. |
| 20:29.51 | jordanm | javagamer: use the kmuto installer |
| 20:29.57 | javagamer | The installer, right now the laptop just has what it comes with (Windows 7 *yuck*) |
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| 20:32.12 | javagamer | jordanm: Would I use lenny0custom-0116.iso? It looks like the newest. |
| 20:32.51 | jordanm | javagamer: yep |
| 20:32.55 | ootput | javagamer: windows 7 is fantastic |
| 20:33.01 | ootput | just not my cup of tea |
| 20:33.28 | javagamer | ootput: Admittedly it seems better than all previous versions of Windows, but I vastly prefer linux :) |
| 20:33.40 | javagamer | jordanm: Thanks! |
| 20:33.55 | jelly-home | !tea ootput |
| 20:33.55 | dpkg | hands ootput a nice hot pint glass of mint tea. |
| 20:34.05 | mentor | Really? |
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| 20:34.19 | mentor | Definitely not my favourite Windows |
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| 20:35.01 | jelly-home | mentor: if it comes with showmount and mount and rpcinfo... I like it |
| 20:35.06 | ootput | well, my favorite would have to be Windows2K |
| 20:35.10 | ootput | but that's essentially dead |
| 20:35.38 | javagamer | I haven't really touched windows in the past 10 years or so, so this is just how it appears to me |
| 20:35.40 | lmaowaffle | ootput: yeah windows 2000 Pro was probably the best |
| 20:35.51 | mentor | Somewhere between W2k and XP |
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| 20:36.30 | mentor | XP was the final nail in the coffin of the 9x series |
| 20:36.44 | lmaowaffle | ootput: but didn't 2K make it a habit of phoning home? |
| 20:36.59 | mentor | XP did |
| 20:37.10 | mentor | Well, unless one used the corporate version |
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| 20:40.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually, I think the factoid on the card covers it... although it could use some cleaning/straightening |
| 20:40.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | !e1000e |
| 20:40.18 | dpkg | [e1000e] driver for Intel PRO/1000 Ethernet adapters. Support for the 82574L controller (ASUS Z8PE-D12, Supermicro X8STi-F motherboards) introduced in linux-2.6 2.6.26-18, ask me about <5.0.3>. 82567LM-3 and 82567LM-4 supported in Linux 2.6.30, 82577/82578 GbE LOM parts in 2.6.31; ask me about <kmuto>. Driver can alternatively be built out-of-tree using sources from http://sourceforge.net/projects/e1000/files/e1000e%20stable/ |
| 20:40.43 | SerajewelKS | on the windows 7 front, i am still not convinced that it is better than XP for gaming. (which is the only legitimate use for windows that i can find anyway.) |
| 20:41.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | is confused and looks at the channel name |
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| 20:51.41 | javagamer | Anyone have anything to say about PulseAudio? I'm considering installing it. |
| 20:52.45 | lindi- | it prints colored messages |
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| 21:02.36 | eshat | Is there a way too watch the quicktime videos on apple . com ? :D |
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| 21:03.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | download the thing and play it with mplayer? |
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| 21:04.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | I'm kind of astonished mozplugger doesn't automatically play it with mplayer |
| 21:04.29 | eshat | CutMeOwnThroat: hoe to download ? there is no link and I could find any embded videos with downthemall |
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| 21:05.38 | eshat | *could not |
| 21:05.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | look at the source and... http://movies.apple.com/media/us/iphone/2010/tours/apple-iphone4-design_video-us-20100607_r848-9cie.mov |
| 21:06.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | ha - if I open that url directly, the video plays in my browser, too |
| 21:06.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | stupid detection |
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| 21:08.53 | eshat | CutMeOwnThroat: thanks |
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| 21:32.48 | tharkun | What keywords should i use in google to look for something to package a full system like ubuntu on a CD ? |
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| 21:33.17 | erikai | hi |
| 21:33.26 | NiLon | tharkun "ubuntu" ? |
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| 21:33.37 | tharkun | no use, points me to canonical |
| 21:34.00 | tharkun | i need something more technical, i used knoppix and the same thing happened |
| 21:34.11 | erikai | look for knoppix and its technology for a live cd |
| 21:34.12 | NiLon | oh, how to make live-cd ? |
| 21:34.27 | tharkun | yes |
| 21:35.42 | tharkun | NiLon: thx that did the trick. |
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| 21:39.13 | tharkun | Is there a #debian channel for live-cd's related questions? |
| 21:39.40 | nsadmin | well, it sounds like you want to create your own dist |
| 21:39.42 | SerajewelKS | tharkun: this channel, if it is a debian live-cd |
| 21:39.56 | SerajewelKS | tharkun: if it's an ubuntu live-cd, #ubuntu is over there --> |
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| 21:40.32 | eshat | CutMeOwnThroat: how did you get the link to that apple video |
| 21:41.26 | tharkun | nsadmin: i don't want to create my own dist. I just thought having a backup of our infrastructure network on a cd might help case we have again a major crashdown of servers |
| 21:42.19 | tharkun | SerajewelKS: Thx, i know were ubuntu is ;P |
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| 21:46.02 | tau | hey, i am trying to create a dvd using mandvd but i am using a versio which doesn't permit to force the AC3 codification, what can I do to fix it ? i already used a version which permit to force the AC3 audio, i looked at debian repositories i didn't find what i wanted. |
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| 21:47.23 | luizaum | ls |
| 21:47.25 | luizaum | =D |
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| 21:52.49 | tharkun | SerajewelKS: Rephrasing my question, Where would i need to start reading if i want to make a custom live-cd out of a running debian system? |
| 21:53.39 | rudi_s | !tell tharkun about live-cd |
| 21:54.00 | rudi_s | Maybe you get some information there (never done something like this, so I can't help with it). |
| 21:54.51 | adb | bootcd |
| 21:55.09 | tharkun | rudi_s: thx I allreadky asked in #debian-live but they seam to be #debian-sleeping :) |
| 21:55.47 | Nirkus | hi! is there a way to get USB keyboards working with one of the queeze installers? |
| 21:55.48 | rudi_s | tharkun: Well, answers take some time on IRC ... |
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| 21:56.14 | Nirkus | s/queeze/squeeze/ |
| 21:56.20 | tharkun | adb: you are a magician thx |
| 21:56.25 | adb | np |
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| 21:57.07 | tharkun | rudi_s: thx patiente is not usually one of my strong points |
| 21:57.36 | adb | !patience |
| 21:57.36 | dpkg | The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. |
| 21:57.57 | tharkun | adb: I know ... |
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| 22:00.57 | gewt | http://lols.pastebin.com/fBjpRswg |
| 22:01.00 | gewt | what did I break. |
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| 22:07.45 | project2501b | i get what portmapd does. i don't understand which are some utilities/tools/software that uses it, besides nfs. may i please have some more examples? |
| 22:07.49 | project2501b | does X uses it? |
| 22:07.52 | project2501b | metacity? |
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| 22:19.09 | Nirkus | grrr... new mainboard does not provide PS/2 connectors and I cant fnd any of those adaptor buggers |
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| 22:21.12 | cire | I am really excited about the announcement that lightworks (non linear video editor) will become open source. The question I have is whether this project gets real open source, or a binary core with open interface and framework... Does anybody know more? btw: I am using kdenlive atm, does anybody know a video editor with the same functionality except cinelerra (which crashes quite often, here)? |
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| 22:24.20 | nsadmin | Nirkus: ps/2 is pretty much out these days... get new mouse/kbd or converters |
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| 22:27.43 | Nirkus | nsadmin: keyboard works fine in BIOS and with ubuntu 9.04, 9.10, 10.04 and debian lenny |
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| 22:29.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | you can't? Why not? http://www.amazon.com/Ultra-USB-Male-Female-Adapter/dp/B000658ETS/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1275949736&sr=8-6http://www.amazon.com/Ultra-USB-Male-Female-Adapter/dp/B000658ETS/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1275949736&sr=8-6 |
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| 22:32.49 | eclipse_ | I upgraded throught aptget to squeeze and suddenly not even GDM is running |
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| 22:33.40 | nsadmin | Nirkus: so you have a ps/2 kbd which works fine even if it's not connected? |
| 22:34.16 | nsadmin | I'm pretty sure I'm missing something :) |
| 22:34.41 | Nirkus | .. |
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| 22:38.12 | nsadmin | Nirkus: what devices do you have that are ps/2? |
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| 22:40.58 | Nirkus | nsadmin: (1) i have a new machine which does not provide any PS/2 ports. (2) i have an USB keyboard that workes on that machine while in BIOS and works on various other machines running some releases of ubuntu and debian. (3) when any of the debian-installers for squeeze come up and ask for language, the USB keyboard does not work (no respond to keys, no numlock switching, etc). |
| 22:41.27 | nsadmin | ok, what about mouse? |
| 22:41.50 | nsadmin | btw why not install lenny base only and upgrade to squeeze |
| 22:42.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | that sounds familiar |
| 22:42.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | now that you described it in detail |
| 22:42.36 | Nirkus | nsadmin: mh yeah, could do that |
| 22:43.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | !installation report |
| 22:43.16 | dpkg | well, installation report is http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch05s04#submit-bug |
| 22:43.21 | eclipse_ | !non-free |
| 22:43.22 | dpkg | non-free is, like, a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system, ask me about <vrms>. For the non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 22:43.37 | eclipse_ | non-free sources |
| 22:43.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | look at the bugtrack page for ... usb keyboard? |
| 22:44.04 | nsadmin | eclipse_: /msg dpkg non-free sources |
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| 22:44.40 | nsadmin | and he won't be able to do that now :) |
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| 22:49.05 | ne7work | how to change priority under debian 5.. please someone help me :) |
| 22:49.09 | ne7work | :( |
| 22:49.25 | nsadmin | priority of what? |
| 22:49.31 | ne7work | hlds_run |
| 22:49.31 | nsadmin | !sicco |
| 22:49.31 | dpkg | Please ask sicco questions, questions that are Specific, Informative, Concise, Complete, and On-topic. Ask me about <research> and <cooperation in asking for help>. |
| 22:49.49 | nsadmin | what is its priority now? |
| 22:49.53 | ne7work | 0 |
| 22:49.58 | ne7work | i need to change on -20 |
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| 22:50.26 | nsadmin | you mean nice? |
| 22:50.37 | abrotman | renice ? |
| 22:50.46 | ne7work | yes |
| 22:50.49 | ne7work | and not work |
| 22:50.49 | abrotman | man renice |
| 22:50.53 | ne7work | not work |
| 22:50.56 | abrotman | man renice |
| 22:51.09 | abrotman | if it doesn't work .. give us more details |
| 22:51.12 | nsadmin | !doesn't work |
| 22:51.12 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>. |
| 22:51.35 | abrotman | or have nsadmin whack on the keyboard |
| 22:51.43 | nsadmin | btw begging on the street for change is work :) |
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| 22:53.44 | homerj | my entire system gets deleted when I read my email client "rm -rf /". Someone said that was "read mail, really fast" |
| 22:54.11 | abrotman | homerj: go troll somewhere else |
| 22:54.11 | macrobat | ne7work: i like ro renice in htop |
| 22:54.37 | homerj | abrotman, I was just saying a stupid question because of the message |
| 22:54.52 | abrotman | please don't repeat your stupidity |
| 22:55.07 | javagamer | I can't get GRUB to install :( |
| 22:55.39 | javagamer | Whenever I select to install GRUB legacy or GRUB 2 it ends up failing and I have no idea why |
| 22:56.24 | macrobat | the last few days my internet connection has been bad for gaming, packet loss, ping goes up and down. how can i find what's causing this? |
| 22:56.52 | macrobat | javagamer: from the debian installer? |
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| 22:57.23 | abrotman | macrobat: maybe something like mtr |
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| 22:57.58 | javagamer | macrobat from the kmuto installer |
| 22:59.17 | ne7work | not work sudo renice -20 prioritynumber |
| 23:00.01 | abrotman | ne7work: is there an error message? |
| 23:00.19 | nsadmin | "not work" is "not information" |
| 23:00.22 | themill | presumes ne7work means "process number" not "priority number" |
| 23:01.02 | nsadmin | themill: I guess... but I'm not sure what he means yet |
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| 23:05.16 | nsadmin | ne7work what message do you get when you try |
| 23:05.21 | macrobat | javagamer: sry, i havent used that one and it was ages since i used the regular. can you be more specific? |
| 23:05.41 | nsadmin | (this is my last time trying, after this I'll be assuming nonresponsive) |
| 23:06.01 | javagamer | macrobat: I think it's the same as the regular one, just w/ a newer kernel |
| 23:06.38 | javagamer | Right now if I hit the GRUB button it goes to the thing saying I could use GRUB 2 |
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| 23:06.55 | javagamer | regarless of what I press it will go to "Installation step failed" |
| 23:07.03 | javagamer | and then display that next time I hit the install grub thing |
| 23:07.10 | javagamer | then it will repeat the cycle |
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| 23:08.43 | Irwin | hi, quick dumb question - what repository would i add for the latest lighttpd to be found by aptitude? |
| 23:08.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | and you want a quick, dumb answer? |
| 23:08.55 | abrotman | Irwin: that depends on your version of Debian |
| 23:08.57 | Irwin | i'm not too linux-savvy and i only recall it having "unstable" in it |
| 23:08.59 | javagamer | LILO installs fine however |
| 23:09.11 | abrotman | hides from 'unstable' |
| 23:09.39 | macrobat | Irwin: debian comes in flavours: stable, testing and unstable |
| 23:09.59 | macrobat | ,versions lighttpd |
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| 23:10.01 | judd | lighttpd -- etch: 1.4.13-4etch12; etch-security: 1.4.13-4etch12; etch-backports: 1.4.19-5~bpo40+1; lenny: 1.4.19-5; lenny-security: 1.4.19-5+lenny1; squeeze: 1.4.26-1.1; sid: 1.4.26-3 |
| 23:10.08 | ne7work | nsadmin yes priority number |
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| 23:10.33 | ne7work | sudo renice -20 and my priority number for hlds_run |
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| 23:10.36 | ne7work | and not work |
| 23:10.44 | abrotman | ne7work: WHAT IS THE ERROR MESSAGE? |
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| 23:10.56 | abrotman | Irwin: why do you need the newer lighttpd ? |
| 23:10.56 | nsadmin | why does it not work? |
| 23:11.31 | abrotman | i guess ne7work doesn't actually want any help |
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| 23:12.21 | Irwin | hm, seems i was looking for "deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian unstable main contrib non-free" |
| 23:12.22 | nsadmin | ne7work: what message is printed when you do "sudo renice -20 and my priority number for hlds_run" |
| 23:12.22 | Irwin | thanks anyway |
| 23:12.54 | themill | ne7work: what is the *exact* command you are giving and the *exact* output from the command. |
| 23:12.58 | nsadmin | Irwin: either perform the upgrade to sid or compile from sources. |
| 23:13.37 | abrotman | Irwin: do you actually understand what you're about to do? |
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| 23:13.45 | themill | Irwin: if you're "not too linux-savvy" then you shouldn't go anywhere near the baby-eating monster that is "unstable". |
| 23:13.59 | Irwin | abrotman: absolutely no clue at all |
| 23:14.15 | abrotman | oh, Irwin will probably ignore our advice to avoid unstable, and break the whole system and blame linux |
| 23:14.16 | nsadmin | you need to level up a few times before you can take the hits |
| 23:14.33 | abrotman | !sid upgrade |
| 23:14.33 | dpkg | Repeat after me: Sid is NOT AN UPGRADE! Sid is meant for developers and testers, so stay away from it if you're neither. Use <stable> or <testing> instead. See also <sid upgrade test>. |
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| 23:14.47 | Irwin | abrotman: my pedantic question was not a sign of asininity |
| 23:14.58 | nsadmin | well there is that... but the command to get there is called "dist-UPGRADE" |
| 23:15.06 | javagamer | My problem might just be a bad disc, I'm burning a new one |
| 23:15.52 | abrotman | Irwin: so even if we tell you to not use unstable .. you're going to use it anyways? |
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| 23:16.09 | Irwin | where did i state that? |
| 23:16.15 | pallgone | abrotman: is it really that bad? |
| 23:16.34 | nsadmin | Irwin: if you don't want to go to unstable, you can try backporting |
| 23:16.37 | abrotman | pallgone: it can be .. very bad things have happened many times |
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| 23:17.00 | Irwin | from what i understand unstable has the newer packages & albeit not being thoroughly tested they're more or less safe if you don't act foolish |
| 23:17.23 | themill | Irwin: that's not really true at all |
| 23:17.30 | abrotman | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=155873 |
| 23:17.32 | nsadmin | "acting foolish" would include doing any real work |
| 23:17.48 | abrotman | that's an old bug .. but is an example of something very dangerous that seemed simple |
| 23:18.03 | ne7work | ne7work is not the suddoers file.. ? |
| 23:18.05 | pallgone | abrotman: so you mean it's probably comparable to ubuntu? |
| 23:18.06 | ne7work | what is this? |
| 23:18.17 | abrotman | pallgone: it's different |
| 23:18.30 | ne7work | when i write sudo ps -e |
| 23:18.32 | themill | ne7work: did you ever configure sudo before using it? |
| 23:18.33 | ne7work | ne7work is not the suddoers file.. ? |
| 23:18.36 | nsadmin | ne7work: you can't sudo because you're not authorized |
| 23:18.39 | holycow | are source package named in a specific way in debian? i'm looking to install a bunch of source packages for a dev |
| 23:18.44 | ne7work | how to fix it? |
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| 23:19.05 | pallgone | abrotman: more or less stable? |
| 23:19.09 | nsadmin | holycow: what's one source package you want |
| 23:19.17 | abrotman | pallgone: depends on how you define stable, and how well you can fix things that die |
| 23:19.18 | ne7work | nsadmin i write my password? |
| 23:19.27 | holycow | aolserver4-nspostgres <-- for example, what would the source for that be? |
| 23:20.03 | pallgone | abrotman: well, I guess I need to try it myself... all I know is that ubuntu is pretty buggy |
| 23:20.10 | ne7work | where can i find my suddoers file? |
| 23:20.12 | themill | holycow: you don't install source packages |
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| 23:20.18 | ne7work | to add mu user in this file |
| 23:20.18 | themill | dpkg: tell ne7work about sudo |
| 23:20.25 | abrotman | pallgone: it will likely break |
| 23:20.29 | holycow | what do you mean you dont install source packages? |
| 23:20.36 | nsadmin | if you go to the packages page for that package, it tells you the source |
| 23:20.38 | holycow | arent sources packaged up for easy rebuilds? |
| 23:20.57 | themill | holycow: exactly that. You only install binary packages in debian. You can download sources if you like, but you don't install them. |
| 23:21.07 | abrotman | holycow: what are you actually trying to do ? |
| 23:21.10 | holycow | i think we are miscommunicating |
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| 23:21.19 | nsadmin | source packages in debian come in three (usually) files, which are extracted in whatever dir you're in |
| 23:21.29 | eCookie | Will OpenBSD install on a black and white television? |
| 23:21.32 | holycow | i have a webserver with a bunch of plugins installed. i need the source files for all of these packages available ont he system |
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| 23:21.55 | ne7work | nsadmin how i can edit /etc/sudoers? |
| 23:22.04 | holycow | i realise i can google and with much work match whatever MIGHT be in the binary to the upstream source |
| 23:22.05 | ne7work | i can't with man /etc/sudoeres |
| 23:22.06 | ne7work | i can't with man /etc/sudoers |
| 23:22.10 | nsadmin | ne7work: as root |
| 23:22.16 | pallgone | ne7work: visudo |
| 23:22.27 | holycow | but i was always under the impression that debian had source packages for all binaries so one could rebuild various packages easily |
| 23:22.33 | abrotman | it does! |
| 23:22.34 | holycow | did i get that wrong? |
| 23:22.45 | abrotman | but you don't install them .. you get them and build a package to install |
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| 23:22.59 | ne7work | pallgone what is it visudo? |
| 23:23.09 | abrotman | holycow: so you can just 'apt-get source foo-plugin' .. and it downloads the source to $CWD |
| 23:23.17 | holycow | okay, bad use of terminology. i'd like to use apt to download them to the correct locations. i presume there is a naming scheme for source packages? |
| 23:23.19 | nsadmin | holycow: it does... but I think the miscommunication you speak of has to do with the word "install" which is something you do with dpkg/apt |
| 23:23.28 | pallgone | ne7work: it will open sudoers file in a secure manner, check for errors etc. |
| 23:23.30 | abrotman | there is no correct location .. jeez |
| 23:23.36 | holycow | right! my bad! appologies |
| 23:23.45 | holycow | and danke. |
| 23:24.03 | abrotman | nsadmin: to be fair .. apt-get has the source function |
| 23:24.21 | ne7work | pallgone what i need to write visudo /etc/sudoers? |
| 23:24.43 | pallgone | ne7work: no, just 'visudo' as root > man visudo |
| 23:24.49 | themill | holycow: there is no correct location for the source. You can download them to wherever you want, and "apt-get source packagename" is all that is required. A developer also generally doesn't require the source packages installed... |
| 23:24.50 | nsadmin | abrotman, I'm pretty sure we're on the same page now |
| 23:24.59 | abrotman | we who ? |
| 23:25.09 | nsadmin | channel and holycow |
| 23:25.15 | holycow | aaaand, as usual, its so simply that my overthinking it made seem complicated. thank you! |
| 23:25.18 | abrotman | the channel was .. holycow wasn't :) |
| 23:25.26 | ne7work | pallgone and now how to edi |
| 23:25.27 | ne7work | pallgone and now how to edit? |
| 23:25.30 | ne7work | and what i need to edit? |
| 23:25.38 | holycow | indeed abrotman. thanks guys! |
| 23:25.43 | nsadmin | holycow: when you "apt-get source something"... |
| 23:25.50 | holycow | yep? |
| 23:25.57 | nsadmin | it gets downloaded/extracted into . |
| 23:26.01 | pallgone | ne7work: visudo will open the editor with the file ready to edit |
| 23:26.11 | ne7work | pallgone and how to edit and save? |
| 23:26.24 | nsadmin | so, you choose where you want to keep the sources, and cd there first |
| 23:26.27 | pallgone | ne7work: depends on the editor... what is it? nano? |
| 23:26.53 | holycow | l |
| 23:26.57 | holycow | aha, checking |
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| 23:27.23 | holycow | and indeed it does. righto. muchly appreciate it. |
| 23:27.48 | nsadmin | one presumption is you'd want to build from that place... so make sure you have plenty of disk space |
| 23:27.56 | pallgone | !next |
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| 23:31.27 | eli_ | hello guys |
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| 23:32.57 | eli_ | I'm new to linux and I wonder which application you would recommend me to use instead of outlook? |
| 23:33.28 | holycow | well, the closest thing you will see is evolution |
| 23:33.32 | themill | eli_: there are many -- evolution, kmail, icedove, ... |
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| 23:33.40 | nsadmin | what does outlook do that you want? |
| 23:33.53 | eli_ | both mail utility and calendar |
| 23:34.16 | eli_ | it would be nice if I also could invite people to meeting in the calendar |
| 23:34.24 | eli_ | so I outlook clone would be nice |
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| 23:35.21 | tuvwx | if i set grub to use gfxmode 1024x768x16, the text becomes green! |
| 23:35.48 | nsadmin | you could also use the various webmails, then you can separate them |
| 23:35.56 | nsadmin | look at timedriver.com |
| 23:36.21 | eli_ | Ok guys I din't get an answer about the outlook clone recommendation |
| 23:36.37 | holycow | yup, you sure did |
| 23:36.41 | holycow | evolution is a clone of outlook |
| 23:36.56 | holycow | but they are suggesting to think about yoru solution request in a more creative way |
| 23:37.32 | nsadmin | there are so many web apps out there that you can put together pretty much anything you want |
| 23:38.23 | themill | eli_: [00:32] <themill> eli_: there are many -- evolution, kmail, icedove, ... |
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| 23:38.50 | holycow | oh forgot, those others are pretty good too right |
| 23:39.39 | nsadmin | how close does a calendar have to be coupled with mail to let the invite thing happen? |
| 23:39.41 | eli_ | ok then I'll try out evolution |
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| 23:40.01 | holycow | nsadmin: none at all technically |
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| 23:40.11 | eli_ | thanks for the answers and sorry I missed them at first |
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| 23:40.43 | nsadmin | so if it's none, you would manually create lists of folks to invite, etc |
| 23:41.48 | macrobat | so. mtr is showing 75% "loss" on one adress in the chain. that's bad right? for some reason i can still play games or watch streaning video :D |
| 23:42.14 | abrotman | that's really bad |
| 23:42.23 | eli_ | I really don't know how the invite thing work in outlook, I have a background as a Java programmer and only used windows because I'm bad at linux |
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| 23:42.35 | eli_ | but that's gonna change for now! |
| 23:43.45 | nsadmin | eli_: so the next thing you want is to get more chops in linux |
| 23:43.49 | nsadmin | yes? |
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| 23:44.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | bad at linux? |
| 23:44.28 | nsadmin | (is it the next thing when you put it up against the highest, best use of your time?) |
| 23:44.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | linux was a kernel, wasn't it? |
| 23:44.54 | tharkun | AFAIK yes |
| 23:44.57 | nsadmin | and then it got thrown into a popcorn popper |
| 23:44.57 | Nirkus | yay! lennys debian-installer does not support my NIC. :-/ |
| 23:45.42 | nsadmin | Nirkus: just install the base, then reboot... do you have a second machine you could download a kernel package on? |
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| 23:45.56 | nsadmin | or maybe better, a second boot of the same machine |
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| 23:46.19 | eli_ | Im off to the bed, see you guys tomorrow! |
| 23:46.30 | Nirkus | nsadmin: off to bed, too |
| 23:47.32 | Nirkus | mh, i could boot the ubuntu 10.04 live system and debootstrap from that one |
| 23:47.52 | Nirkus | that one even has USB keyboard support :> |
| 23:47.58 | nsadmin | sure you could do that |
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| 23:49.09 | nsadmin | so if you're talking to others about this, be sure you mention that squeeze (which doesn't work for you) is not actually released yet |
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| 23:49.54 | pallgone | how is it going with squeeze? |
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| 23:51.18 | Nirkus | nsadmin: i know squeeze is testing and AFAIK not even frozen yet. |
| 23:51.40 | nsadmin | right, so actually this is an opportunity for you to improve it |
| 23:52.08 | Nirkus | nsadmin: already filed an installation report |
| 23:52.30 | nsadmin | you have lenny already right? |
| 23:52.45 | Nirkus | nsadmin: i dont have anything installed on that box, yet |
| 23:52.53 | nsadmin | oh ok |
| 23:52.59 | Nirkus | nsadmin: lenny has USB keyboard but no NIC |
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| 23:53.25 | Nirkus | (installer) |
| 23:53.26 | nsadmin | can you lspci -nn on it somehow? like from the installer or from a live cd |
| 23:53.57 | Nirkus | nsadmin: yes. did that for installation report. put in a lsusb, too |
| 23:54.23 | nsadmin | oh you did... did you find out a reference to the report? |
| 23:55.17 | Nirkus | nsadmin: my search on package installation-reports for usb keyboard only showed 1 bug concerning some mac thingy |
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| 23:55.54 | diabel | Hi, what's the differents beetwen async and sync in ext3/4 about speed? |
| 23:56.05 | Anon078 | ANY ATHIEST HERE |
| 23:56.58 | nsadmin | Anon078: hmm, I think there are people outside the house who might be... if you ask them, you won't be bothering anyone on the internet |
| 23:57.27 | Anon078 | K |
| 23:57.53 | abrotman | diabel: depends on the hardware and a pile of other stuff |
| 23:57.56 | nsadmin | but as far as questions you might ask here... |
| 23:58.01 | nsadmin | !sicco |
| 23:58.01 | dpkg | Please ask sicco questions, questions that are Specific, Informative, Concise, Complete, and On-topic. Ask me about <research> and <cooperation in asking for help>. |
| 23:58.08 | abrotman | nsadmin: why would he ask here? |
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| 23:58.57 | nsadmin | abrotman, on the off chance he has ontopic quesiotn |
| 23:58.58 | Anon078 | ANY ASPIE CHICAS |
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| 23:59.15 | abrotman | nsadmin: seriously? |
| 23:59.23 | macrobat | haha |
| 23:59.27 | abrotman | nsadmin: how is being an atheist at all related to debian ? |
| 23:59.42 | nsadmin | there was a half percent chance, I took it |
