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| 00:00.39 | Marsh4ll | what is the latest version of debian that uses the ieee stack drivers? |
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| 00:02.39 | Nirkus | nsadmin: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=584973 |
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| 00:03.16 | pallgone | you guys know 'autocutsel'? nice tool... |
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| 00:03.53 | pallgone | linus? :) |
| 00:04.05 | nsadmin | , pciid 8086:10ef |
| 00:04.06 | judd | [8086:10ef] is '82578DM Gigabit Network Connection' from 'Intel Corporation' with no known kernel module in lenny but has kernel module 'e1000e' in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:10ef |
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| 00:04.58 | macrobat | i like separate clipboard and cutbuffer |
| 00:06.18 | pallgone | macrobat: i like having only to select something so I can paste it somewhere else |
| 00:07.48 | pallgone | macrobat: or rather having it in the clipboard |
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| 00:08.21 | Xunie | I have a program compiled on 32 bit (686) Lenny, how ever I can't run it on 64 bit (amd64) Lenny. |
| 00:08.39 | macrobat | recompile? |
| 00:08.41 | Xunie | It uses libboost and that's what I'm here for. |
| 00:08.52 | Xunie | See... |
| 00:09.03 | Xunie | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:09.16 | Xunie | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:09.28 | Xunie | Both libs are not found, (although installed)... |
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| 00:09.47 | nsadmin | Xunie: you need the -dev halves of them |
| 00:09.50 | Xunie | So, I guess it has something to do with 64 bit/32 bit bleh bleh. |
| 00:09.55 | pallgone | well, the 64bit versions are installed I guess |
| 00:09.58 | Xunie | nsadmin, infact, I did install those too. |
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| 00:10.00 | Marsh4ll | what kernel source do i need to compile debian504? |
| 00:10.39 | nsadmin | Marsh4ll: not quite understanding... |
| 00:10.43 | Xunie | nsadmin, someone from ##linux suggested I have to have the 64/32 bit compatibility libs too. (ia32 by instance or something?) |
| 00:10.46 | nsadmin | what exactly do you what to compile |
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| 00:11.08 | Marsh4ll | ieee stack drivers |
| 00:11.15 | macrobat | maybe pkgs have new versions since your last compile? |
| 00:11.17 | nsadmin | Xunie: you mean to run something compiled for 32 bit on a 64 bit system |
| 00:11.23 | Marsh4ll | because these new ones are shit |
| 00:11.30 | Xunie | macrobat, I compiled it less than 10 minutes ago, sftp'd it to my other machine. |
| 00:11.35 | Xunie | nsadmin, exactly. |
| 00:12.19 | nsadmin | so you built a .deb of the thing you compiled? |
| 00:12.50 | Xunie | Nope, just a binary, I sftp'd that to my other host. |
| 00:13.07 | Xunie | (not a binary package, I just sftp'd the executable, oufcourse.) |
| 00:13.23 | nsadmin | build the deb and the attempt to install it will tell you what you need |
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| 00:14.03 | Xunie | I programmed the application myself. |
| 00:14.19 | nsadmin | run ldd on the executable |
| 00:14.36 | Xunie | $ ldd main | grep -i "not found" |
| 00:14.36 | Xunie | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:14.36 | Xunie | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:14.48 | nsadmin | also why not compile it on the machine it's meant to run on |
| 00:14.50 | Marsh4ll | do u know what i need to compile nsadmin? |
| 00:15.10 | nsadmin | is already compiled! |
| 00:15.28 | Marsh4ll | takes that as a no |
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| 00:15.46 | Xunie | nsadmin, I guess I do need 64 bit builds of my application, right? |
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| 00:15.58 | nsadmin | well that would be the easiest way |
| 00:16.37 | nsadmin | the libs you installed in support of your app probably will not work for 32 b |
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| 00:17.06 | macrobat | Marsh4ll: you are looking for a kernel version that has some feature? |
| 00:18.24 | Marsh4ll | yes, i need the ieee80211 wireless drivers installed |
| 00:18.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | nsadmin, is your source available, or is it closed |
| 00:18.55 | loopidity | i changed the hostname, what should be done to produce the effect without restarting? |
| 00:18.59 | nsadmin | hmm, I'll check... got a scalpel? |
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| 00:19.30 | Marsh4ll | who's the guy that updates debian? |
| 00:20.10 | pallgone | loopidity: man hostname |
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| 00:23.39 | Marsh4ll | where can i download an old version of debian? |
| 00:23.45 | Marsh4ll | debian 4 or so... |
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| 00:26.32 | karsten | In vim, how do you force a long-line split? I've got ... a lot of data I'd like to split into lines. 'gq#' isn't doing it. |
| 00:26.35 | dondelelcaro | Marsh4ll: why? |
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| 00:27.47 | Marsh4ll | because the new versions have shit wireless drivers that d/c every 5 seconds |
| 00:28.05 | Marsh4ll | do u know where i can get? or no... |
| 00:28.56 | f00li5h | karsten: try #vim |
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| 00:29.15 | dondelelcaro | Marsh4ll: so install the current version and use an old kernel |
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| 00:29.32 | mzb | Marsh4ll: sounds like you've got something else wrong. |
| 00:29.45 | dondelelcaro | Marsh4ll: though honestly, I haven't had any porblems with the kernels from 2.6.26 onwards |
| 00:29.49 | abrotman | Marsh4ll: which wifi driver is it? |
| 00:30.13 | Marsh4ll | my wireless works fine by default |
| 00:30.21 | Marsh4ll | everyone just has problems with the mac drivers |
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| 00:30.37 | Marsh4ll | someone reinstalled with ieee stack, worked perfect |
| 00:30.42 | dondelelcaro | not really |
| 00:30.43 | themill | fsvo "everyone" |
| 00:31.17 | Marsh4ll | fsvo? |
| 00:31.21 | dondelelcaro | !fsvo |
| 00:31.21 | dpkg | fsvo is, like, For Some Values Of. For Small Values Of |
| 00:31.56 | abrotman | Marsh4ll: which driver again ? |
| 00:32.33 | Marsh4ll | mac80211 are the ones im having problems with |
| 00:33.43 | abrotman | did you try the bpo kernel also ? |
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| 00:34.03 | Marsh4ll | no |
| 00:34.36 | abrotman | that'd be a much better thing to try than going backward |
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| 00:37.36 | T1750 | does using a debian package in ubuntu qualify me to ask for support from the wizards? :P |
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| 00:38.05 | abrotman | why would you do something like that? |
| 00:38.11 | T1750 | because ubuntu didn't have the package and debian did |
| 00:38.22 | abrotman | and now it doesn't work, and oyu're surprised? |
| 00:38.26 | T1750 | im only using this silly ubuntu live cd because my pc is broken |
| 00:38.46 | T1750 | they're supposed to be compatible, anyways it very very nearly works just does one silly error |
| 00:38.53 | WormFood | is anyone else having a problem with gthumb seg faulting in testing? (after updating to current version)...also running 64-bit if that matters |
| 00:39.14 | WormFood | who says they are supposed to be compatible T1750? |
| 00:39.38 | abrotman | T1750: they are NOT compatible |
| 00:39.43 | nsadmin | Nirkus, you could get an image from kmuto.jp that is for lenny and has 2.6.32 kernel |
| 00:39.46 | T1750 | this program called aria2 always emits error Exception: File ./honestly-its-debian.iso is being downloaded by other command. |
| 00:39.57 | abrotman | T1750: please go to #ubuntu, mixing distros is bad |
| 00:40.02 | nsadmin | but -maybe- you will run into your original problem if you do this |
| 00:40.12 | T1750 | oh come on theres no chance they will know the answer |
| 00:40.17 | T1750 | tries anyway |
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| 00:41.29 | Marsh4ll | Debian Etch = debian 4???? |
| 00:41.33 | WormFood | is anyone else having a problem with gthumb seg faulting in testing? (after updating to current version)...also running 64-bit if that matters |
| 00:42.02 | abrotman | Marsh4ll: do not use Etch .. it hasn't been supported for four months already |
| 00:42.08 | abrotman | WormFood: bugs.debian.org/gthumb |
| 00:42.16 | abrotman | Marsh4ll: try the backports.org kernel first |
| 00:42.45 | nsadmin | , versions ipmasq |
| 00:42.47 | judd | ipmasq -- etch: 4.0.8-2; lenny: 4.0.8-7 |
| 00:42.52 | Marsh4ll | i can untill i can access internet on debian |
| 00:42.53 | Marsh4ll | cant |
| 00:43.18 | abrotman | you can't plug it into the wall and use an ethernet cable ? |
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| 00:43.30 | abrotman | you can't download it on another PC? |
| 00:43.47 | nsadmin | or a different os on the same pc |
| 00:44.05 | nsadmin | which could be more convenient |
| 00:44.22 | Nirkus | nsadmin: im in the middle of debootstrapping squeeze from ubuntu 10.04 live sys |
| 00:44.24 | Marsh4ll | im not experienced on kernels |
| 00:44.37 | abrotman | Marsh4ll: it's really not that hard .. |
| 00:44.39 | WormFood | I don't see any bugs listed there about seg faulting, except one, which doesn't match my case......so, is anyone else having a problem with gthumb seg faulting on their squeeze install? |
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| 00:45.02 | Marsh4ll | what i do after download? |
| 00:45.28 | abrotman | are you plugging in with ethernet or some other method ? |
| 00:45.38 | nsadmin | Marsh4ll: for the first try (use backported kernel) it's just a matter of getting the .deb to the machine, getting into the debian as root then installing it |
| 00:46.10 | Tux^verdreifelt | http://shad.bplaced.net/fun/lena.jpg << hähä |
| 00:46.12 | Marsh4ll | yea i can download here and copy to USB |
| 00:46.18 | abrotman | Tux^verdreifelt: wrong channel ? |
| 00:46.22 | Marsh4ll | kernels are large files? |
| 00:46.27 | abrotman | Marsh4ll: you sersiously don't have an ethernet cable? |
| 00:47.04 | Marsh4ll | yes but its not that simple for me |
| 00:47.09 | Marsh4ll | hard to explain |
| 00:47.09 | nsadmin | Tux^verdreifelt: hostname not found |
| 00:47.37 | Tux^verdreifelt | :o worked fine a few secs ago ... |
| 00:47.49 | Tux^verdreifelt | abrotman: yeep... missed to use /xmsg here, fixing it next time |
| 00:47.51 | Tux^verdreifelt | sorry :) |
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| 00:52.42 | Marsh4ll | the download links doesnt seem to work on backports :s |
| 00:53.12 | Marsh4ll | possible my pc tho |
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| 00:53.33 | abrotman | it would 100 times easier if you could use a network cable |
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| 00:53.50 | dvs | what's the challenge in that?!? |
| 00:54.25 | Marsh4ll | i cannot access router till morning :S |
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| 00:57.08 | Marsh4ll | yeah, link is down atm |
| 00:57.30 | Marsh4ll | so, after i download it i install with dpkg <name> right? |
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| 00:59.36 | abrotman | you have to download the deps also |
| 01:00.11 | Marsh4ll | deps? |
| 01:00.17 | abrotman | still would have been nice if you had told us which device you had |
| 01:00.27 | Marsh4ll | RTL8187 |
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| 01:01.00 | abadr | How do I install postgresql without automatically creating a cluster? |
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| 01:01.53 | nsadmin | abadr: do you already have one? |
| 01:01.58 | abrotman | abadr: why not just remove it after ? |
| 01:02.15 | abadr | abrotman: I could, just seeing if there's a quicker way |
| 01:02.17 | abadr | nsadmin: no |
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| 01:02.40 | nsadmin | why would you want to install pg then? not sure what that's about |
| 01:03.38 | abadr | nsadmin: to use it on a different cluster. by "do you already have one?" I thought you mean "is another one guaranteed to exist at time of install?" |
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| 01:03.38 | nsadmin | so you have a cluster |
| 01:03.53 | planet8 | I have just run a dist-upgrade on a clean lenny, but get this error: "User postinst hook script [update-grub] exited with value 1" what the h... does that mean? |
| 01:04.40 | abadr | nsadmin: not really sure what you're getting it. I'll either have one already or be creating one, yes. |
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| 01:05.04 | abrotman | planet8: a script has failed .. usually more info than just that |
| 01:05.06 | baby_mammoth | hello. i'm trying to install debian lenny from windows without using any external media. so i've installed grub and the needed files. the installation starts, but can't find the .iso image. don't know why. it's saying that it's either the filename is wrong or couldn't mount the partition. how can i locate the .iso in the windows c:\ partition? |
| 01:05.21 | nsadmin | so you want to create clusters outside of the defined cluster system, and/or you already have a cluster that exists outsite the cluster system |
| 01:05.54 | dvs | baby_mammoth: don't put the iso image on an NTFS filesystem? |
| 01:06.12 | planet8 | abrotman, http://www.binpaste.com/v.php?id=2pnq6 |
| 01:06.14 | baby_mammoth | dvs: the iso is in c:\ partition. |
| 01:06.24 | baby_mammoth | i have nothing else on my system atm |
| 01:06.41 | nsadmin | baby_mammoth: do you have unpartitioned space? |
| 01:06.51 | baby_mammoth | nsadmin no |
| 01:06.58 | nsadmin | you'll need some |
| 01:07.07 | abrotman | planet8: you can put a 'set -x' at the top of the postinst in /var/lib/dpkg/info/ |
| 01:07.14 | abadr | correct |
| 01:07.19 | baby_mammoth | nsadmin, to map the iso to a different partition? |
| 01:07.31 | nsadmin | no, to install debian :) |
| 01:07.44 | jpinx-eeepc | !tewll baby_mammoth about goodbye-microsoft |
| 01:07.54 | jpinx-eeepc | !tell baby_mammoth about goodbye-microsoft |
| 01:08.03 | nsadmin | abadr: the only way I know for that is to delete the cluster |
| 01:08.08 | abrotman | jpinx-eeepc: that doesn't install debian anymore |
| 01:08.14 | abadr | hm, ok, thanks |
| 01:08.16 | nsadmin | also |
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| 01:08.28 | jpinx-eeepc | abrotman: can you change the factoid please? |
| 01:08.48 | planet8 | abrotman, I haven't even understood what the problem is. This is a clean lenny system, have never seen this before. "set -x" in what file? |
| 01:08.53 | baby_mammoth | jpinx-eeepc: i've put windows only to install linux ;) |
| 01:08.53 | nsadmin | you should copy the /etc/init.d/postgresql* file and edit the copy so that it starts pg on your cluster |
| 01:08.59 | abrotman | jpinx-eeepc: oh, i guess it still does .. they changed it again |
| 01:09.09 | abrotman | planet8: tells the script to be more descriptive |
| 01:09.09 | jpinx-eeepc | baby_mammoth: try that website |
| 01:09.43 | baby_mammoth | nsadmin: the partitioning will follow as part of the installation process. but for now that can't start, cause it can't find the iso :) |
| 01:09.45 | nsadmin | baby_mammoth, alternatives, if you can burn a cd you could try a netinst cd |
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| 01:09.47 | jpinx-eeepc | baby_mammoth: you need partitioning, ext3 filesystem, etc |
| 01:10.12 | baby_mammoth | nsadmin, can't use my cd-drive. |
| 01:10.16 | baby_mammoth | that's the problem. |
| 01:10.23 | dvs | usb drive? |
| 01:10.32 | jpinx-eeepc | baby_mammoth: did you look at the website? It's all there |
| 01:10.36 | planet8 | abrotman, what script exactly? |
| 01:10.37 | baby_mammoth | dvs, nope, old laptop doesn't support usb boot |
| 01:10.50 | baby_mammoth | jpinx-eeepc: i'll do that now, thank you :) |
| 01:11.05 | nsadmin | baby_mammoth: you could shrink the windows partition from inside windows, if you don't have unpartitioned space that must mean C: covers the whole drive |
| 01:11.15 | abrotman | planet8: for the package that barfed |
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| 01:12.05 | planet8 | abrotman, don't understand the problem, don't know which package. |
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| 01:12.17 | planet8 | abrotman, never mind. Thanks anyway. |
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| 01:13.17 | baby_mammoth | nsadmin, that's right. i have unpartitioned space. how is partitioning going to help? |
| 01:13.30 | nsadmin | abadr, did you get the thing about copying the startup file? it's likely that removing the cluster will remove that file so you'll have to do it before |
| 01:13.39 | jpinx-eeepc | baby_mammoth: tht website will do the partitioning for you |
| 01:13.44 | abadr | nsadmin: i hadn't -- thanks |
| 01:13.48 | nsadmin | baby_mammoth: oh, I thought you said before you did not have unpartitioned space |
| 01:14.06 | baby_mammoth | jpinx-eeepc: yes, i've just read that :) |
| 01:14.12 | abadr | i'll check it out -- doesn't sound correct off hand though btw |
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| 01:15.02 | abadr | oh, you mean since it's outside the cluster system. makes sense. anyway, i'll check it out. |
| 01:15.12 | baby_mammoth | nsadmin: sorry, i made a mistake. |
| 01:15.21 | nsadmin | abadr: so, copy the /etc/init.d/postgres* file (before removing cluster) to something like /etc/init.d/local-pg-cluster and edit it so the appropriate stuff points at it |
| 01:15.38 | nsadmin | baby_mammoth: why can't you use your cd drive btw? |
| 01:15.56 | baby_mammoth | nsadmin: no, it's too old, doesn't work |
| 01:16.12 | nsadmin | so it's a failed drive |
| 01:16.17 | abrotman | where'd he go ? |
| 01:16.17 | baby_mammoth | yes |
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| 01:16.24 | dvs | hides |
| 01:16.26 | nsadmin | hewho? |
| 01:16.32 | ppires | hi there. does anyone here has experience building packages using boost.build? |
| 01:16.35 | abrotman | do the dishes and the kernel problem kid just runs away |
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| 01:17.14 | nsadmin | note to self: do dishes more often! |
| 01:18.21 | bcw | hi, i'm using backports.org and i want aptitude to list only installed packages with a version that matches the regexp "bpo50". when i try ?installed?version(bpo50) or ?installed(?version(bpo50)), i get packages that are installed *or* have a version available (not installed) matching that string. what am i doing wrong? |
| 01:18.26 | baby_mammoth | nsadmin, jpinx-eeepc: thank you, i'll try again tomorrow |
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| 01:19.02 | abrotman | bcw: you could just `dpkg -l | grep bpo50' ? |
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| 01:20.18 | bcw | abrotman, that works, thanks. but i'd still like to know if there's a way to get aptitude to do this |
| 01:20.49 | nsadmin | aptitude has a search function |
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| 01:22.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | and now themill is not here |
| 01:22.27 | abrotman | bcw: ?and ( ) ? |
| 01:22.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | he'd have surprised us with aptitude ?i~$%$(bpo50) or somesuch |
| 01:24.01 | bcw | nsadmin, but the search seems to match anything that matches *any* pattern i provide. i want only what matches *all* of them. |
| 01:24.14 | bcw | abrotman, that sounds promising. let me look up the docs on it |
| 01:25.37 | abrotman | bcw: that's the first i've noticed it .. best of luck! |
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| 01:26.49 | bcw | abrotman, thanks. i'll have to play around with it for a while. i'll come back later. |
| 01:27.00 | abrotman | loverly! |
| 01:27.19 | nutron | anyone know of a free shell account somewhere where I can dig dns records? (I want to make sure my ns is running properly) |
| 01:27.40 | MrFaint22 | i have installed skype on debian leny, but it dont capture voice from the mic, does any1 could give me a hand? |
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| 01:29.16 | abrotman | nutron: there are dozens of websites that will do that |
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| 01:29.54 | nutron | abrotman: name ... one? |
| 01:30.24 | MrFaint22 | nutron, do you knows ipinfo,info, may be that information there. |
| 01:30.39 | nutron | MrFaint22: ok, i'll look thx |
| 01:30.39 | nsadmin | nutron: the one you installed when you installed debian? |
| 01:30.58 | abrotman | nutron: google "DNS check" |
| 01:31.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | bcw... gorn but... err - does aptitude search '?version(bpo50)' do what he wanted? |
| 01:31.16 | Marsh4ll | going to bed, thanks for the help everyone |
| 01:31.18 | Marsh4ll | nyt |
| 01:31.56 | nutron | abrotman: heh, the first two error out, but ... dns works so I just wanted to use dig as I understand how to use it though, using the @ thing would work, though I have no clue which servers to query ;) |
| 01:32.03 | jpinx-eeepc | abrotman: fwiw aptitude search does part strings |
| 01:32.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | I mean, what you meant was something like aptitude search '?and(~i, ?version(bpo50))' ? |
| 01:32.15 | MrFaint22 | does enybody here had problems with skype and mic? |
| 01:32.27 | abrotman | jpinx-eeepc: who what? |
| 01:32.43 | nsadmin | MrFaint22: check bts |
| 01:32.58 | MrFaint22 | sory, what is bts? |
| 01:33.07 | jpinx-eeepc | abrotman: aptitude search bpo50 will give what bcw wanted earlier |
| 01:33.24 | jpinx-eeepc | MrFaint22: bug tracking service |
| 01:33.31 | nsadmin | bts is what answers all questions of the form "does anybody (anywhere) have problems with X" |
| 01:33.34 | nsadmin | !bts |
| 01:33.34 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges |
| 01:33.50 | abrotman | jpinx-eeepc: that shows things that may not be installed |
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| 01:34.06 | abrotman | jpinx-eeepc: and by default it searches names, not versions IIRC |
| 01:34.19 | MrFaint22 | okay, uderstud |
| 01:34.22 | MrFaint22 | thx |
| 01:34.25 | jpinx-eeepc | abrotman: yea - so you do aptitude show the full name you find |
| 01:34.33 | jpinx-eeepc | and yes - it did a version search |
| 01:34.49 | abrotman | jpinx-eeepc: he was looking to search the version strings, not the name, and only installed packages |
| 01:35.32 | jpinx-eeepc | abrotman: so he has to do it in a couple of steps ;) |
| 01:35.40 | abrotman | which is what i showed him ? |
| 01:37.08 | MrFaint22 | did not found nothing at bts. |
| 01:37.39 | MrFaint22 | may be skype is not maintened eny more or becouse it is unstable. |
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| 01:38.25 | nsadmin | or not in debian? |
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| 01:38.35 | nsadmin | , versions skype |
| 01:38.38 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'skype' was found. |
| 01:38.39 | abrotman | skype isn't in debian .. who told you to check the BTS ? |
| 01:38.48 | nsadmin | I did |
| 01:38.54 | abrotman | yeah .. great plan |
| 01:38.59 | jpinx-eeepc | MrFaint22: where did you get your .deb of skype? |
| 01:39.03 | abrotman | debian doesn't keep bugs for garbage not in debian |
| 01:39.09 | MrFaint22 | from skype website |
| 01:39.25 | nsadmin | check their bug tracker |
| 01:39.34 | jpinx-eeepc | MrFaint22: I have it installed from there and working fine |
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| 01:40.02 | Nirkus | nsadmin: btw.. debootstraped & installed squeeze, got NIC _and_ USB keyboard support ;) |
| 01:40.06 | jpinx-eeepc | MrFaint22: try alsamixer and make sure the mic is fully up and unmuted |
| 01:40.36 | jpinx-eeepc | !tell MrFaint22 about alsa checklist |
| 01:40.43 | MrFaint22 | the frist time i had runed it it worked with some noises, trying to fix the noise it has completely stoped to work |
| 01:40.46 | nsadmin | Nirkus: oh, cool... I thought you might run across your original problem with the newer kernel... guess not :) |
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| 01:41.31 | Nirkus | nsadmin: guess, all the installer kernels have some bug/missing module dependency/whatever |
| 01:41.43 | jpinx-eeepc | Nirkus: you probably only needed to install a later kernel . not go to squeeze |
| 01:41.46 | nsadmin | maybe |
| 01:42.10 | nsadmin | well if you wanted to go to squeeze anyway, you're there now... |
| 01:42.19 | Nirkus | jpinx-eeepc: i wanted queeze, anyway, to play arounf with a current Xen on pvops kernel |
| 01:42.34 | jpinx-eeepc | Nirkus: fairysnuff :) |
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| 01:45.39 | MrFaint22 | jpinx-eeepc: thats okay, i will folow yours steps instructions. |
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| 02:02.08 | yacou | Hello |
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| 02:03.15 | yacou | I've this error message after nVidia driver's installation : yacou@acer-yacou:~$ xchat |
| 02:03.19 | yacou | xchat: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libgdk-x11-2.0.so.0: undefined symbol: g_once_init_enter_impl |
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| 02:04.26 | abrotman | yacou: which version of debian are you running? |
| 02:04.31 | yacou | Lenny |
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| 02:05.49 | abrotman | yacou: dpkg -l libgtk2.0-0 .. which version do you have installed ? |
| 02:06.11 | yacou | 2.12.12-1~lenny1 |
| 02:06.23 | abrotman | and which version of xchat ? |
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| 02:06.42 | yacou | 2.8.6-2.1 |
| 02:06.48 | abrotman | and how did you install the nvidia driverS? |
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| 02:07.12 | yacou | With the .run on the site. |
| 02:08.30 | abrotman | !tell yacou about nvidia |
| 02:08.42 | bleepbloop | Can I get to a shell via my debian install disk so that I can partition the hd from the install cd? |
| 02:09.06 | abrotman | bleepbloop: alt-f2 or f3 |
| 02:09.13 | dvs | bleepbloop: there's a part of the install CD that does the partitioning |
| 02:09.29 | bleepbloop | well I want to partition the disk for another operating system |
| 02:09.48 | abrotman | shouldn't that OS have a partitioner ? |
| 02:09.50 | bleepbloop | but the partitioner on the installer for that OS doesn't work in the ppc port |
| 02:09.59 | bleepbloop | so I have to do it myself first |
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| 02:10.06 | abrotman | isn't sure he'd use that OS then .. |
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| 02:10.31 | bleepbloop | hmm, partitioning isnt that hard though from what I know |
| 02:10.43 | yacou | The drivers wasn't works with m-a |
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| 02:12.19 | yacou | So, i've used the .run. I'll retest, but how to come back, now ? |
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| 02:14.34 | yacou | The backup of xorg.conf is enought ? |
| 02:16.05 | bleepbloop | that worked, but the shell didn't have what I need, thanks abrotman! |
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| 02:16.54 | dvs | bleepbloop: so, go to the "Manually partition the disk" part of the installation? |
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| 02:17.39 | bleepbloop | but then after writing the changes the installer would automatically start installing debian, right? |
| 02:18.09 | dvs | bleepbloop: this is part of the installation so yeah. |
| 02:18.27 | Dewi | bleepbloop: yeah, but at least it would be there. Otherwise do whatever you like using a debian live CD perhaps - http://live.debian.net/ |
| 02:18.51 | abrotman | he needs PPC |
| 02:19.01 | bleepbloop | couldn't I feasibly do the same thing with the mac os x installer disk? |
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| 02:19.22 | Dewi | abrotman: oh actual PPC. I remember those |
| 02:19.56 | abrotman | yeah .. the ones that IBM still makes |
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| 02:20.29 | MrFaint22 | jpinx-eeepc: all 7 steps are cheked, but 3rd " 3) arts or esound stopped?" i could not undestand. |
| 02:20.45 | MrFaint22 | evere thing is fine |
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| 02:22.21 | bleepbloop | I was going to make a usb stick that I could boot from, but then I discovered that for some reason unetbootin doesn't work easily on Lenny? |
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| 02:23.15 | abrotman | on PPC ? |
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| 02:23.44 | bleepbloop | yeah |
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| 02:24.31 | bleepbloop | is there another application that I can use with lenny to make a usb stick bootable? |
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| 02:26.50 | bleepbloop | or at least I had trouble getting unetbootin to work |
| 02:26.59 | bleepbloop | probably cause I'm a noob |
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| 02:27.43 | yacou | I've restaured the old xorg.conf, same problem. |
| 02:28.47 | abrotman | it's a library issue |
| 02:28.51 | yacou | Any soft who use gtk doesn't run |
| 02:29.04 | yacou | I guess, but I don't know how procede |
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| 02:29.26 | MrFaint22 | jpinx-eeepc, are you still here, did you got my las message? |
| 02:29.48 | yacou | (sorry for my english, btw) |
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| 02:30.33 | bleepbloop | abrotman, does that mean I can just download the necessary libraries? |
| 02:30.49 | abrotman | not you .. the other guy! |
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| 02:31.02 | abrotman | yacou: reinstall the libgtk-2.0-0 |
| 02:31.02 | yacou | Me ? Or him ? |
| 02:31.25 | bleepbloop | oh, oops |
| 02:32.02 | yacou | Ok, I retest |
| 02:33.47 | yacou | I've only 'libgtk1.2' and that doesn't works. |
| 02:34.00 | abrotman | yacou: the same library i told you about 15 minutes ago |
| 02:34.14 | bleepbloop | ugh, maybe I'll just get a cheap old intel computer so I can try out freebsd, this is too much of a hastle |
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| 02:34.57 | bleepbloop | btw I am aware that mac osx has a lot of freebsd in it |
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| 02:35.35 | Hdale85 | is there a way to get chroot on my root filesystem and maintain network access? I chrooted into a root filesystem on another drive and can't use the internet at all one it to download packages or what not. |
| 02:35.57 | abrotman | bind mount probably |
| 02:36.16 | Hdale85 | so mount /dev/sda -bind? |
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| 02:36.20 | Hdale85 | something like that |
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| 02:37.17 | yacou | Nothing works... |
| 02:37.23 | Hdale85 | I'm using a live cd and trying to repair something on my actual OS drive |
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| 02:38.02 | eyeris | Is there any way to tell which verion of gcc was used to build a wine package? |
| 02:38.02 | liable | resolv.conf can fuck that sometimes too iirc |
| 02:38.03 | yacou | I've reinstall all librairies x11/gtk |
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| 02:43.32 | Hdale85 | yeah i just found an article about the resolv.conf |
| 02:44.49 | bcw | abrotman, i just found out how to solve my problem. (had to RTFM.) apparently, ?and doesn't restrict the versions matched by its terms to be the same, so i was getting anything installed that also had some (other) version with bpo50 in it. the solution was ?narrow( ), which restricts its terms to the same version |
| 02:45.32 | abrotman | bcw: totally not obvious |
| 02:45.53 | bcw | abrotman, yeah... but at least i know now :) |
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| 02:48.11 | Hdale85 | bingo i got it :) |
| 02:48.29 | Hdale85 | that took me back to gentoo days...lol |
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| 02:51.49 | WormFood | does /dev/port work with debian? I'm trying to write a byte to a post card, but I can't seem to get it to work....has anyone tried this under Linux before? I was reading on wikipedia, that Linux uses port 80 for timing, so maybe that is screwing me up. |
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| 02:54.14 | bleepbloop | http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/installing-unetbootin-in-debian-lenny-772183/ |
| 02:54.25 | bleepbloop | I found that guide on how to use unetbootin in Lenny |
| 02:54.51 | bleepbloop | but the part about making a menu entry escapes my comprehension |
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| 02:57.38 | bcw | abrotman, anyway, thanks for trying to help earlier. (it got me started with experimentation.) have a good night :) |
| 02:58.01 | abrotman | night |
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| 02:59.03 | bleepbloop | hmm |
| 02:59.29 | bleepbloop | ignore that guide, I'll just borrow a friend's computer to install unetbootin and do all that fun stuff |
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| 03:03.21 | bleepbloop | i guess suggesting that you ignore that was kind of redundant |
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| 03:05.57 | elik | bleepbloop, not necessarily... |
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| 03:06.26 | elik | I'm having a hard time with amarok 2.3.0 on Debian Squeeze. Anybody heard of something like that lately? |
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| 03:14.46 | bleepbloop | okay I'm using the write to disk to make a bootable dvd of ubuntu, and it asked me if I want to create the disk from the image file, or create a disk from the contents of the image file. which option will give me a bootable cd |
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| 03:16.22 | ir8 | Help all. |
| 03:16.25 | ir8 | Hello all* |
| 03:16.26 | ir8 | lol |
| 03:16.37 | ir8 | does anyone have time for a short simple question? |
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| 03:17.27 | ir8 | I have a minor issue with sendmail. |
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| 03:18.50 | bleepbloop | just ask it and it will get answered if people do have time |
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| 03:19.57 | ir8 | I'm attmepting to send e-mail from my local server to a domain that hosted on it, however the e-mail is hosted off of the server. |
| 03:20.17 | ir8 | Hosted off of the server meaning on googles apps. |
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| 03:21.09 | ir8 | I can send e-mail from google to the local domian with issues and to the rest of the world, however when i go to e-mail user@studdr.com (locally) the mail never reaches the mail box? |
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| 03:22.06 | ir8 | I removed the hostname studdr.com from local-host-names |
| 03:22.16 | ir8 | is there something else i am missing here? |
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| 03:26.01 | dondelelcaro | ir8: what MTA are you using? |
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| 03:42.05 | ir8 | MTA? |
| 03:42.10 | ir8 | MTA meaning? |
| 03:42.39 | pickcoder | mail transport agent |
| 03:42.46 | pickcoder | google is helpful |
| 03:42.53 | ir8 | well sendmail of course. |
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| 03:44.10 | pickcoder | postfix |
| 03:44.12 | pickcoder | exim |
| 03:44.15 | Rusty1 | !mta |
| 03:44.15 | dpkg | well, mta is Mail Transfer Agent: a program that transfers e-mail in or out of a system, most often using SMTP. An MTA is usually accessed by calling /usr/sbin/sendmail and thus usually includes that binary. Therefore, in Debian, all MTAs (<exim4>, <postfix>, <qmail>, <ssmtp>, <nullmailer>, etc) mutually conflict. Ask me about <which mta>, <mta comparison> and <why an mta>. http://wooledge.org/~greg/mail.html |
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| 03:47.47 | saxamo | first thing that comes to my mind is the MTA here in NYC |
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| 03:48.57 | ir8 | lol |
| 03:49.02 | ir8 | yeah, give me a sec. |
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| 03:57.07 | d1b | hi um i have a problem |
| 03:57.21 | d1b | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:00.44 | d1b | ... anyone ? |
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| 04:02.24 | d1b | ... |
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| 04:04.06 | cjhmdm | hello, in an attempt to rename multiple files, I kinda screwed up.. my goal was (first) to remove all spaces in the file names, using this "rename "s/ *//g" *.mpg" but upon doing so, I ended up with this: _F_r_a_m_e_V_i_d_1_._m_p_g_ for each file. I was using this guide: http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/renaming-multiple-files-at-a-shell-prompt.html but apparently it didn't work out the way I... |
| 04:04.08 | cjhmdm | ...wanted. Anyone out there mind helping me fix the problem I created? I would be very grateful :) |
| 04:04.41 | d1b | cjhmdm: join #bash |
| 04:05.00 | cjhmdm | dlb: ok, thanks |
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| 04:05.17 | d1b | so how do i recreate my /var/lib/dpkg/available - i don't have dselect installed and dpkg -A isn't working as i expect :( |
| 04:05.23 | d1b | the file is corrupt ... |
| 04:08.34 | SPF | I try to set a fixed ip during bootup, but it does not work. I edited /etc/network/interfaces -> http://pastebin.com/P2frvtBS |
| 04:09.04 | cjhmdm | dlb: just create an empty /var/lib/dpkg/available, it will be rebuilt |
| 04:09.31 | cjhmdm | dlb: sudo mv /var/lib/dpkg/available /var/lib/dpkg/available.oldBusted |
| 04:09.40 | cjhmdm | dlb: sudo touch /var/lib/dpkg/available |
| 04:09.45 | d1b | cjhmdm: done that |
| 04:09.49 | d1b | then what |
| 04:09.52 | cjhmdm | dlb: sudo apt-get update |
| 04:10.00 | d1b | done that ... didn't work i think |
| 04:10.16 | d1b | the available file isn't updated |
| 04:10.43 | cjhmdm | ok, try this: dpkg âclear-avail then aptitude update |
| 04:10.51 | d1b | done that |
| 04:10.52 | d1b | no good |
| 04:11.34 | d1b | im stuck in state ithink |
| 04:11.38 | d1b | i crashed as i was installing |
| 04:11.47 | cjhmdm | err, proper is dpkg --clear-avail |
| 04:11.53 | d1b | did it |
| 04:12.01 | d1b | trust me i did that |
| 04:12.10 | cjhmdm | ahh.. is it a fresh install, or were you upgrading/updating? |
| 04:12.12 | d1b | i have no x atm |
| 04:12.14 | d1b | upgrading |
| 04:12.21 | tuv | where can i find a 'powered by debian' logo image of good quality? i like the one on the right on debian.org/logos, but can't find a good quality version of it |
| 04:12.35 | d1b | tuv: try the debian site or google |
| 04:12.45 | d1b | cjhmdm: ok it seems to have worked? |
| 04:12.46 | bcw | SPF, are you using X, or just commandline? if X, you may need some dns-* options for resolvconf(8) . i had to add some to get this box working with a static ip |
| 04:12.46 | d1b | wtf |
| 04:12.57 | tuv | d1b: i usually pass by my browser before coming here |
| 04:13.03 | cjhmdm | tuv: http://www.google.com/images?hl=en&source=imghp&q=powered+by+debian&gbv=2&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai= |
| 04:13.19 | SPF | bcw: I just disabled X with rcconf, haven't rebooted yet |
| 04:13.22 | d1b | cjhmdm: it is being weird it now seems to be doing something |
| 04:13.39 | d1b | it has fixed.... no idea how |
| 04:13.44 | cjhmdm | dlb: :) |
| 04:13.52 | d1b | this has happened before ages ago |
| 04:14.11 | d1b | hopefully i will get my x back ^^ |
| 04:14.35 | bcw | SPF, i think i had to do a reboot or two before i got it working too |
| 04:14.50 | cjhmdm | dlb: I live in a place where power outages are very common.. I used to just reinstall until I learned how to fix what was broken, most of the time anyway lol |
| 04:15.16 | d1b | cjhmdm: well i learnt that disk corruption makes you blink hard and go... lets try that again! |
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| 04:15.56 | cjhmdm | dlb: lol, yeah |
| 04:16.57 | d1b | i was upgrading / am from lenny to squeeze on this laptop and it just stopped mid way through after the grub2 q ;P |
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| 04:20.14 | d1b | "very not good" |
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| 04:23.10 | cjhmdm | dlb: ? |
| 04:23.20 | d1b | cjhmdm: it was "very very not good" :P fine now |
| 04:23.41 | cjhmdm | dlb: ahh, so all is well then? |
| 04:23.56 | d1b | looks ok |
| 04:23.57 | SPF | bcw: it did not work, I rebooted several times. eth0 is not coming up |
| 04:24.05 | d1b | SPF: what's the problem |
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| 04:24.28 | jpinx-eeepc | in man iwconfig it says "the power in dBm is P = 30 + 10.log(W)." and my ext wifi adaptor is showing 27dBm at the moment, how many mWatts is that? |
| 04:24.30 | SPF | d1b: I set eth0 with a fixed ip. but during bootup it is not coming up |
| 04:24.37 | d1b | SPF: is it on? |
| 04:24.42 | d1b | and is it connected. |
| 04:25.05 | SPF | if I manually do ifconfig eth0 10.0.0.33 up, it's up and working |
| 04:25.17 | greenpumpkins | 500mW |
| 04:25.27 | d1b | if you pastebin your /etc/networking/interfaces file |
| 04:25.31 | d1b | i can try and help you |
| 04:25.39 | SPF | d1b: http://pastebin.com/P2frvtBS |
| 04:25.52 | d1b | copies to another terminal the hardway :( |
| 04:26.31 | jpinx-eeepc | greenpumpkins: is that for me? |
| 04:26.31 | greenpumpkins | jpinx-eeepc; yes, for some reason I missed adding your name |
| 04:26.42 | jpinx-eeepc | greenpumpkins: thanks very much :) |
| 04:27.05 | d1b | SPF: uncomment 'auto eth0' |
| 04:27.19 | cjhmdm | SPF: uncomment auto eth0 |
| 04:27.22 | cjhmdm | dlb: lol |
| 04:27.23 | d1b | i win |
| 04:27.23 | jpinx-eeepc | greenpumpkins: you know about wifi signals? I'd appreciate a comparison of the two I have here |
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| 04:27.39 | d1b | and i had to copy that the hardway |
| 04:28.06 | cjhmdm | I'm making my rename problem worse at the same time >< |
| 04:28.16 | greenpumpkins | jpinx-eeepc not wifi so much, but I do work with rf |
| 04:28.29 | d1b | cjhmdm: what are you trying to do? |
| 04:28.31 | jpinx-eeepc | greenpumpkins: http://paste.debian.net/76582/ which is better to use? |
| 04:28.36 | d1b | usually i throw python at bash problems |
| 04:29.17 | cjhmdm | in an attempt to rename multiple files, I kinda screwed up.. my goal was (first) to remove all spaces in the file names, using this "rename "s/ */_/g" *.mpg" but upon doing so, I ended up with this: _F_r_a_m_e_V_i_d_1_._m_p_g_ for each file. I was using this guide: http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/renaming-multiple-files-at-a-shell-prompt.html but apparently it didn't work out the way I wanted |
| 04:29.53 | d1b | cjhmdm: python import os; for i in os.listdir("."): os.mv.... |
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| 04:30.07 | d1b | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:30.14 | cjhmdm | so basically, all my mpg files went from "file name.mpg" to "_f_i_l_e_n_a_m_e_._m_p_g_ lol |
| 04:30.14 | greenpumpkins | jpinx-eeepc assuming both are the same distance away from the ap, wlan0 would be the better choice |
| 04:30.17 | d1b | if i had a gui i would pastebin the full thing ^^ |
| 04:30.46 | SPF | d1b: thanks, that solved the problem |
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| 04:31.13 | jpinx-eeepc | greenpumpkins: thanks - they are on my desk. wlan0 is internal and wlan1 is USB |
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| 04:31.22 | bcw | i'm trying to write a shell script that shows which packages are available and/or installed from backports.org . they have a version suffix like "~bpo50", which i'm using to identify them. i have a few questions: am i relying on behavior that's likely to break? does the 50 stand for Debian 5.0? what's the best way to generate that part, so it won't break at the next Debian release? |
| 04:31.25 | greenpumpkins | jpinx-eeepc; and that's not based entirely on link quality, but bitrate as well as SNR. it's a shame wlan1 doesn't show noise level |
| 04:32.06 | jpinx-eeepc | greenpumpkins: I don't know why wlan1 has no noise level, maybe something to do wiith it being via USB |
| 04:32.37 | greenpumpkins | jpinx-eeepc; more likely the chipset. it isn't by any chance broadcom? |
| 04:33.49 | jpinx-eeepc | greenpumpkins: rtl8187 |
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| 04:36.04 | greenpumpkins | jpinx-eeepc; hmm, then I have no idea. I've a usb adapter with the same and it shows it all. |
| 04:36.50 | jpinx-eeepc | greenpumpkins: wierd - is there any other command that shows more verbose info? |
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| 04:38.17 | jpinx-eeepc | greenpumpkins: and why does wlan0 not show txpower ? |
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| 04:39.42 | greenpumpkins | jpinx-eeepc; those are both good questions, and I don't know either |
| 04:40.01 | d1b | jpinx-eeepc: why is this an issue ;P just let linux do it for you |
| 04:40.22 | epin8r | if my automount stops working, what package(s) should i be looking at to fix it? |
| 04:40.42 | epin8r | (hypothetically ;) |
| 04:40.45 | jpinx-eeepc | d1b: I aqm trying to make an informed decision as to which wifi adaptor i am better with |
| 04:40.58 | greenpumpkins | jpinx-eeepc; I've always used wireless-tools, don't really know about others |
| 04:40.58 | d1b | oh |
| 04:41.05 | d1b | power isnt' everything |
| 04:41.31 | greenpumpkins | but it's still nice to know feed power |
| 04:41.34 | jpinx-eeepc | greenpumpkins: what's in wireless tools - I remember installing it.... |
| 04:42.09 | greenpumpkins | jpinx-eeepc iwconfig, iwlist to name the most frequently used |
| 04:42.48 | greenpumpkins | jpinx-eeepc; also iwspy, iwpriv and ifrename |
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| 04:43.16 | jpinx-eeepc | goes to experiment... |
| 04:44.59 | bcw | i've got to go to bed. i'll try to figure my questions out on my own, and if i can't, i'll come back some other day. thanks anyway, and good night, all. |
| 04:45.00 | jpinx-eeepc | greenpumpkins: here's interesting . iwlist wlan1 gives wlan1 Interface doesn't have a list of Peers/Access-Points, but I am currently using it |
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| 04:45.43 | ex-parrot | has anyone got experience in securing a private apt repository using client-side certificates? is this even possible with apt-get or aptitude? |
| 04:46.09 | greenpumpkins | jpinx-eeepc; using 'iwlist wlan1 scan' ? |
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| 04:46.55 | ex-parrot | aha, there is an ssh:// schema for sources.list |
| 04:46.56 | jpinx-eeepc | just did that :) |
| 04:46.57 | ex-parrot | easy as that :) |
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| 04:47.43 | jpinx-eeepc | greenpumpkins: scan gives me quality and strength, but no noise |
| 04:48.48 | jpinx-eeepc | scan for wlan0 *does* give me noise -- wierd... |
| 04:49.06 | greenpumpkins | jpinx-eeepc; probably has to do with driver/chipset |
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| 04:49.37 | jpinx-eeepc | greenpumpkins: and wlan1 seems to default to the lowest bitrate - is there a way to push that up - there seems to be higher rates available |
| 04:49.41 | greenpumpkins | jpinx-eeepc; seeing as how that's the same situation you had with iwconfig |
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| 04:50.51 | greenpumpkins | jpinx-eeepc; iwconfig [device] bit|rate should do it (pulled from iwconfig -h) |
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| 05:04.08 | jpinx-eeepc | greenpumpkins: looks like the bitrate is not settable and defaults to 1 |
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| 05:04.37 | jpinx-eeepc | greenpumpkins: and messing with it breaks my connection :| |
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| 05:05.30 | greenpumpkins | jpinx-eeepc; odd, but tbh I usually leave it on auto when I use it |
| 05:06.12 | jpinx-eeepc | greenpumpkins: yes - me too, but I was interested to see if the external really is better than the internal, and it appears not, though it picks up a much stronger signal according to wicd |
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| 05:08.30 | greenpumpkins | jpinx-eeepc; probably due to the higher signal value. |
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| 06:41.39 | FedoraLover52 | Help linux users everywhere get iTunes by signing the petition: http://www.petitiononline.com/itmslin/petition.htm |
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| 06:54.01 | daltio | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:54.39 | daltio | guys i want to set my root account passwd expiry on 45 days |
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| 06:54.51 | daltio | it ask me to change root pass ev 45 days |
| 06:54.54 | daltio | what i have to do |
| 06:55.21 | dgeary2 | where do i find the debian 4.0r1 powerpc hd-media installer disk image? |
| 06:56.28 | dgeary2 | afaict debian.org only keeps the latest hd-media installer disk images (currently 4.0r8) |
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| 06:59.24 | jpinx-eeepc | dgeary2: archives.debian.org maybe ? |
| 06:59.56 | jpinx-eeepc | daltio: try asking in #freenode |
| 07:00.15 | jpinx-eeepc | daltio: can't remember how to do that stuff ;) |
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| 07:02.23 | dgeary2 | jpinx-eeepc, archive.debian.org does not have etch (yet) since it is currently oldstable |
| 07:03.13 | jpinx-eeepc | dgeary2: ok, but you will find what you are looking for somewhere in there ;) |
| 07:03.19 | dgeary2 | jpinx-eeepc, also archive.debian.org appears to host only normal debian repositories |
| 07:04.50 | dgeary2 | wow, 4.0r9 was released 22 May 2010... |
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| 07:08.17 | dgeary2 | jpinx-eeepc, last time i did something like this i had to rip the new kernel out of the image and replace it with the one from 4.0r1 |
| 07:08.34 | jpinx-eeepc | dgeary2: sounds painful..... |
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| 07:18.09 | ethanol | mornin' people! |
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| 07:24.11 | _L30_ | i get a error while running initramfs dpkg: warning: obsolete option '--print-installation-architecture', please use '--print-architecture' instead. |
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| 07:25.39 | _L30_ | anyone here to help me |
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| 07:41.12 | rubygod | hi, can debian installer create encrypted / and /home/, but put /boot/ on usb drive? |
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| 07:44.29 | jpinx-eeepc | !tias |
| 07:44.30 | dpkg | TIAS is "Try It And See". |
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| 07:55.07 | jelly | Sm0ke0ut: so the keys needed to access data on HDD are always with the owner, even if the laptop isn't |
| 07:56.03 | jpinx-eeepc | it'll slow down the boot process, but once running the system should be normal |
| 07:56.06 | jelly | rubygod: in manual partitioning mode you can put any partition on any connected block device... whether it'll boot next time is another thing |
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| 07:59.40 | rubygod | no, wait, will need /initrd.img on usb too |
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| 08:03.18 | User01 | okay I was already in another channel to ask this question but |
| 08:03.45 | User01 | please humor me since I still dont believe the response |
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| 08:05.21 | User01 | will| Linux boot on my laptop boot if I install the os with a different pc |
| 08:05.46 | Bushmills | possibly |
| 08:06.17 | User01 | sorry should be one boot not two on my iphone |
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| 08:07.31 | peterrooney | User01: debian installer (in expert mode at least) asks if you want a generic initram or one targeted towards your specific current hardware |
| 08:07.33 | Bushmills | with an nfsroot enabled kernel, and appropriate setup on the different pc, your laptop doesn't even need a hard disk |
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| 08:07.58 | jpinx-eeepc | User01: if you have a machine with the same cpu and you do an install, you "might" be able to swap it into another same cpu machine. |
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| 08:08.29 | User01 | does it detect hardware on boot? |
| 08:08.52 | jpinx-eeepc | User01: and as peterrooney says . do the xpert install and go for a generic system. it detects hardware during install and during boot |
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| 08:10.00 | User01 | hmm generic okay |
| 08:10.02 | jpinx-eeepc | User01: once you have the OS in it's final home machine you will be able to tweak the settings appropriately |
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| 08:10.34 | User01 | you think it will even boot |
| 08:10.55 | User01 | I could and will| |
| 08:11.02 | jpinx-eeepc | User01: if it's teh same family cpu and it's not whacky hardware - yes |
| 08:11.20 | User01 | okay right on |
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| 08:11.43 | User01 | alot easier than windows is all I care about |
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| 08:12.14 | User01 | my laptop overheats when installing a live cd |
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| 08:13.13 | MetaPhaze | how can i get pidgin to connect to yahoo, and msn? |
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| 08:14.49 | nouuu | Hi, I am a long-term Windows user here, and I am wondering: why do you kids seem to think Open Source software is so great? Proprietary software is made by professional software developers with real skills, while your GNU stuff is made by neckbeards living in their parents basements. You seem to think that software is made better by everyone being able to look at, and modify the source code of it. How many of you have actually ... |
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| 08:14.56 | nouuu | ... contributed to a proper open source project? Not many I bet. So what is so great about being able to view the source code of your programs if you're not going to do anything with it? Anyway, quit bragging about your crappy GNU stuff and leave software development to the professional engineers. |
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| 08:15.47 | Arrowmaster | gets the popcorn |
| 08:15.47 | pallgone | !troll |
| 08:15.48 | dpkg | In Internet terminology, a troll is a person who posts rude or offensive messages on the Internet, such as in online discussion forums, to disrupt discussion or to upset its participants. "Troll" can also mean the message itself or be a verb meaning to post such messages. "Trolling" is also commonly used to describe the activity. Rule #1: Don't feed the troll. Rule #2: Really, don't feed the troll. Rule #3: See rule #1. |
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| 08:16.02 | jpinx-eeepc | MetaPhaze: use bitlbee |
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| 08:16.23 | jpinx-eeepc | MetaPhaze: /join bitlbee in irc.oftc.net |
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| 08:16.29 | Sm0ke0ut | gives Arrowmaster a drink as well |
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| 08:17.27 | jpinx-eeepc | MetaPhaze: /join bitlbee in irc.oftc.net and ask there - you're offtopic in here :) |
| 08:17.29 | Bushmills | http://www.top500.org/stats/list/31/osfam |
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| 08:18.20 | MetaPhaze | jpinx-eeepc, err.. how am i off topic asking how to get debians version of pidgin to connect to yahoo? |
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| 08:20.13 | jpinx-eeepc | MetaPhaze: believe me - bitlbee is what you want and /join #bitlbee in irc.oftc.net will get you all the answers you need ;) |
| 08:20.14 | henry-nicolas | Hello *, I would like to get some advice about a pci/pciexpress card with analogic tv tuner and PAL compatible (with as much tuner as possible - should work under Debian), any recommendation ? |
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| 08:20.19 | Bushmills | sorry, wasn't up to date. more recent: http://www.top500.org/stats/list/35/os |
| 08:20.33 | MetaPhaze | I installed pidgin using aptitude, it doesn't seem to support yahoo and msn, what do i need to install in debian to make yahoo and msn work? |
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| 08:20.41 | jpinx-eeepc | MetaPhaze: failing that - do aptitude install bitlbee and read the man pages |
| 08:20.52 | nouuu | Ｇï½ï½ï½ï½ï½ï½
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| 08:31.23 | MetaPhaze | jpinx-eeepc, This chan has nothing to do with Pidgin though. |
| 08:31.32 | MetaPhaze | jpinx-eeepc, now you've confused 2 people |
| 08:32.55 | jpinx-eeepc | try /join #pidgin then |
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| 08:45.50 | loopidity | where is all the commands I typed sotred as a log file? which file |
| 08:46.15 | joltcan | loopidity: .bash_history |
| 08:46.23 | joltcan | loopidity: you can search that file with ctrl+r btw |
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| 08:47.54 | loopidity | possibility to see the time also? |
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| 08:49.47 | loopidity | or atleast date? |
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| 08:50.34 | project2501a | yo, has anyone ever worked with LSF? |
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| 08:51.18 | themill | loopidity: less ~/.bash_history and compare the date stamps that are there with "date +%s" |
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| 08:53.49 | loopidity | themill after opening the file, what should be done? |
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| 08:56.41 | themill | loopidity: each line starting with # is a timestamp in seconds since epoch. "date -d @1275930786" to convert that into human readable form |
| 08:57.48 | loopidity | themill but i dont see and time like thing in the hostory file |
| 08:58.38 | themill | loopidity: what's the output of "$SHELL --version" |
| 08:58.55 | User01 | askin 1 more time b4 I go to bed, can I install linux on my desktop and use it on my laptop |
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| 08:59.17 | jpinx-eeepc | User01: you have had all the info on this |
| 08:59.20 | loopidity | GNU bash, version 4.1.5(1)-release (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) |
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| 09:02.05 | themill | loopidity: welcome to the new version of bash that doesn't keep timestamps. |
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| 09:02.33 | loopidity | ah!!! |
| 09:02.45 | loopidity | themill am I using the latest? |
| 09:03.00 | themill | you're using the current in debian squeeze and sid |
| 09:03.01 | loopidity | can I make it use the time? |
| 09:03.09 | themill | loopidity: no idea. man bash. |
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| 09:04.27 | petern_ | i've never had any timestamps in .bash_history |
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| 09:04.48 | themill | loopidity: HISTTIMEFORMAT='%s ' (change the timestamp format if you want) |
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| 09:05.47 | loopidity | but there is no timestamps to be seen |
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| 09:11.20 | lmaowaffle | hello there. is there a mysql client gui frontend available in Squeeze repo? |
| 09:11.27 | lmaowaffle | preferably not java-based |
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| 09:12.47 | MetaPhaze | shouldn't stable get new packages AS they become stable? |
| 09:12.54 | themill | ,info mysql-query-browser |
| 09:12.56 | judd | mysql-query-browser (misc, optional): Official GUI tool to query MySQL database. Version: 5.0r12-1; Size: 1471.9k; Installed: 4812k; Screenshot: http://screenshots.debian.net/package/mysql-query-browser |
| 09:13.01 | themill | dpkg: tell MetaPhaze about stable |
| 09:13.08 | themill | MetaPhaze: no, that would the opposite of stable. |
| 09:13.15 | lmaowaffle | themill: thanks! |
| 09:13.17 | MetaPhaze | themill, how so? |
| 09:13.22 | lmaowaffle | i'm guessing you've used it? |
| 09:13.39 | themill | lmaowaffle: once a very very long time ago |
| 09:13.51 | MetaPhaze | themill, if it has been considered stable... why wouldn't it be added to stable and allowed to be upgraded? |
| 09:13.54 | lmaowaffle | ah, it's gnome-badsed |
| 09:13.59 | lmaowaffle | -based, even |
| 09:14.10 | MetaPhaze | dpkg, tell MetaPhaze about stable |
| 09:14.12 | themill | MetaPhaze: read what dpkg just told you |
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| 09:14.28 | MetaPhaze | themill, must be a debian thing dpkg has told me nothing |
| 09:14.46 | themill | MetaPhaze: it has sent you two /msg s now |
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| 09:15.58 | MetaPhaze | dpkg tell MetaPhaze about backports |
| 09:16.19 | themill | MetaPhaze: you can also just "/msg dpkg backports" |
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| 09:16.51 | MetaPhaze | weird |
| 09:16.58 | CharminTheMoose | How can I get apt to install the version of the java-jre and java-jdk packages in stable, when I'm running debian testing? |
| 09:16.59 | MetaPhaze | package distros are just weird |
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| 09:17.21 | themill | CharminTheMoose: why would you want to do that? |
| 09:18.01 | CharminTheMoose | themill, to see if a crash in an app is related to the version of java I'm using. |
| 09:18.13 | MetaPhaze | alright so how can i get a newer pidgin client installed in ... heh... stable debian... |
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| 09:18.43 | themill | MetaPhaze: it's on backports.org, just follow the instructions you got from dpkg. |
| 09:18.52 | themill | dpkg: tell MetaPhaze about backport caveat |
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| 09:19.45 | CharminTheMoose | So how do I do it? |
| 09:20.03 | themill | CharminTheMoose: highly unlikely and probably not very easy to do anyway given that the underlying java tools have changed. Use a lenny chroot (/msg dpkg debootstrap) for that. |
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| 09:20.25 | themill | CharminTheMoose: is this crash likely to be network-connection-related btw? |
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| 09:21.29 | CharminTheMoose | themill, if by network related you mean that an application is unable to set client timeout, then yes. :P |
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| 09:21.43 | themill | !java ipv6 |
| 09:21.43 | dpkg | As of netbase 4.38, net.ipv6.bindv6only=1 is set, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2009/10/msg00541.html . This currently breaks networking in Java for sun-java6-jdk (openjdk-6 is fixed as of version 6b18~pre1-3), see http://bugs.debian.org/560044 for solutions. In short, sed -i 's/net.ipv6.bindv6only = 1/net.ipv6.bindv6only = 0/' /etc/sysctl.d/bindv6only.conf ; invoke-rc.d procps restart. This issue is not present on Lenny. |
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| 09:22.05 | CharminTheMoose | Hmm |
| 09:22.09 | themill | CharminTheMoose: ^^ that's not the normal error message people get, but do double check that before you start mucking about with lenny packages |
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| 09:22.33 | CharminTheMoose | themill, ok, sure! |
| 09:22.36 | CharminTheMoose | Thanks. :D |
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| 09:23.43 | themill | np -- that's why I wanted to know why you were wanting the old packages... that's a fairly common problem that people are having. |
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| 09:29.31 | CharminTheMoose | themill, Hm. Thanks for informing me of that! The fix posted seems to work |
| 09:29.46 | themill | \o/ |
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| 09:30.28 | MetaPhaze | cool |
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| 09:31.17 | MetaPhaze | thanks for your help themill and the rest of you that helped... no thanks to jpinx-eeepc who directed me to 3 channels i didn't need to go to |
| 09:31.42 | MetaPhaze | you all have my permission to beat him bloody as hell and leave him for dead |
| 09:32.03 | MetaPhaze | may the zombies eat his brains |
| 09:32.18 | ootput | MetaPhaze: people do that |
| 09:32.32 | MetaPhaze | yeah |
| 09:32.34 | MetaPhaze | i know |
| 09:32.44 | MetaPhaze | i spend a lot of time serving the linux community |
| 09:32.47 | MetaPhaze | mostly helping |
| 09:32.52 | MetaPhaze | answering questions |
| 09:32.58 | MetaPhaze | too bad there are people like that |
| 09:33.14 | ootput | this channel has such a reputation ;) |
| 09:33.53 | MetaPhaze | now i get to aide someone with a gentoo issue... don't worry your channel isn't any different than the rest of them |
| 09:34.05 | themill | MetaPhaze: jpinx was suggesting an alternative to pidgin that he has recently discovered and thinks is much better. He also apparently didn't know of the particular problems that pidgin has in lenny. |
| 09:35.00 | MetaPhaze | themill, his idea of suggesting was not very helpful being as he said nothing about it being a suggestion... he implied that to fix pidgin in needed another program that i didn't need |
| 09:35.16 | themill | yeah, I can see that. |
| 09:35.22 | ootput | MetaPhaze: first google hit said so |
| 09:35.28 | Arrowmaster | MetaPhaze: #ubuntu |
| 09:35.31 | Arrowmaster | runs |
| 09:35.45 | ootput | that's why you have to be wary of quick responses with little to no substance |
| 09:35.55 | ootput | chances are they were pulled off search results |
| 09:36.03 | MetaPhaze | ootput, i was... asking me to join another irc server was the first clue |
| 09:36.29 | ootput | well, that's not always wrong |
| 09:36.35 | MetaPhaze | no |
| 09:36.37 | ootput | sometimes projects prefer oftc |
| 09:36.38 | MetaPhaze | not always |
| 09:36.50 | themill | points towards #debian-offtopic |
| 09:37.14 | MetaPhaze | points towards bed |
| 09:37.17 | MetaPhaze | laters |
| 09:37.28 | ootput | hah, sounds like an invitation, themill |
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| 09:43.35 | tec | hi |
| 09:43.58 | tec | could anyone tell me how to make my machine from two networks accessible? |
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| 09:44.59 | bolt | tec: what do you mean? does it have two nics? just set a valid ip on each, and have your services liten on both of them |
| 09:45.04 | tec | i have two interfaces, one in a pubip net and the other in another pubip net. now i want to reach the machine from both ips from the outside |
| 09:45.44 | tec | ive done that already, but how do i configure a default gw (different) for both nics/ip spaces? |
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| 09:45.57 | petemc_ | !split access |
| 09:45.57 | dpkg | from memory, split access is when you have 2 networks connected to the same computer, with their separate default gateways, the first step in loadbalancing, http://yellowpigs.net/computers/multiple_subnets, or http://lartc.org/howto/lartc.rpdb.multiple-links.html |
| 09:46.17 | lmaowaffle | hello. is there a way to print a list of all installed packages (deps or direct) that rely on a certain package (eg emacs)? |
| 09:46.19 | tec | only the network where the default route is configured listens to incoming traffic |
| 09:46.54 | jelly | tec: you'll have to use policy-based routing to make packets coming to second iface return via second iface. lartc.org is your friend, I think |
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| 09:47.18 | tec | dpkg: what i mean, is no load balancing (not neccessary), what i mean is, that the apache is accessible from both public ips |
| 09:47.20 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, tec |
| 09:47.35 | tec | ah, that sounds promising |
| 09:47.50 | tec | ill try, thanks! |
| 09:48.11 | jelly | dpkg: what are you |
| 09:48.11 | dpkg | I am an infobot. For more info see <infobot>. |
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| 09:51.51 | jelly | petemc_: do you know of a proper Debian place to put those ip rules and routes? |
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| 09:53.03 | petemc_ | jelly: i dont, im not great at doing things the 'proper' way |
| 09:53.54 | jelly | aight, chuck it in post-up lines in interfaces(5) it is |
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| 10:01.14 | JasonWoof | when I edit a contact in icedove, it doesn't change how it's displayed in the e-mail headers or in the "from" field of the inbox. |
| 10:01.26 | JasonWoof | Is this a bug? |
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| 10:01.26 | JasonWoof | I'm changing the name |
| 10:01.56 | petemc_ | contact? from? wheres the connection? |
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| 10:02.25 | petemc_ | oh, ignore me |
| 10:02.38 | petemc_ | JasonWoof: thats set by their client, not yours |
| 10:03.20 | bolt-work | i think some email clients allow you to override that based on entries in your contact list |
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| 10:03.47 | JasonWoof | petemc_: so what does editing the contact do? |
| 10:04.01 | bolt-work | JasonWoof: it changes the name of your contact, for your own reference |
| 10:04.24 | JasonWoof | how would I reference it? it's not displaying it anywhere I see |
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| 10:04.48 | bolt-work | when writing new emails |
| 10:04.53 | JasonWoof | ahh |
| 10:04.55 | JasonWoof | that's worth something |
| 10:05.50 | JasonWoof | I'd like all e-mails from a particular friend to sort together. But he uses a different "name" with his different e-mail accounts. |
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| 10:06.08 | JasonWoof | I was hoping I could achieve this by editing his contacts to use the same name (or at least names that start the same) |
| 10:06.25 | JasonWoof | I miss mutt |
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| 10:06.43 | petemc_ | why not use it then? |
| 10:07.01 | JasonWoof | because my clients don't know how to use e-mail properly |
| 10:07.18 | JasonWoof | they keep hiding replies to my text in the middle of my paragraphs and then turning it red or something |
| 10:07.38 | petemc_ | fairly standard shit |
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| 10:07.55 | JasonWoof | not standard at all |
| 10:08.02 | JasonWoof | it's standard to put your replies on their own line |
| 10:08.23 | project2501a | yo, has anyone worked with pelicanhpc? do you know what sort of queueing system does it have, if any? will i have to install one on top? |
| 10:08.54 | petemc_ | JasonWoof: people doing stupid things with regard to email replies _is_ standard |
| 10:09.28 | JasonWoof | anyway, think I should file a bug report / feature request to have contacts show up the way I edited them in the inbox's "from" column? |
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| 10:09.39 | JasonWoof | petemc_: hehe :) |
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| 10:10.30 | JasonWoof | I really missed how I could quickly access e-mails in mutt by number. I'd put the number on my todo list |
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| 10:32.26 | project2501a | yo, has anyone worked with pelicanhpc? do you know what sort of queueing system does it have, if any? will i have to install one on top? |
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| 10:44.33 | dsfsf | hi |
| 10:44.53 | dsfsf | i am having a lot of malware that knows a hole on my server to put .exe files and then execute them |
| 10:45.02 | dsfsf | how can i solve this? i use apache |
| 10:45.52 | jamesstanley | Anyone know where to get debootstrap? |
| 10:45.56 | jamesstanley | I am on arch linux |
| 10:46.23 | jamesstanley | I found it in AUR but it looks like the path to deboostrap on the debian servers has changed because it got a 404 when it tried to download from them |
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| 10:47.59 | Cain | !tell jamesstanley about debootstrap |
| 10:48.32 | jamesstanley | Cain: those don't help |
| 10:48.38 | jamesstanley | they both assume that i can get debootstrap out of apt |
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| 10:49.32 | liable | dsfsf: what do you mean? |
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| 10:50.29 | dsfsf | my debian sends spam to users using mail |
| 10:50.33 | dsfsf | i delete all exe files |
| 10:50.36 | dsfsf | and now i see that i have 20 connections http execution .exe files that upload to my server |
| 10:50.41 | dsfsf | but it recreat in the next 2 days |
| 10:50.48 | dsfsf | how can i detect the hole? |
| 10:51.00 | jamesstanley | dsfsf: what is your site running? |
| 10:51.11 | jamesstanley | and is it written in php? |
| 10:51.32 | themill | jamesstanley: you may do better grabbing the latest debootstrap from sid in any case. It's just a shell script and a couple of conf files. |
| 10:51.43 | jamesstanley | themill: ah right, ok |
| 10:51.45 | dsfsf | yes its in php |
| 10:51.47 | jamesstanley | i'll have a look |
| 10:52.07 | dsfsf | its a moodle + joomla |
| 10:52.11 | jamesstanley | dsfsf: who wrote it? that's probably the problem. in my experience there is a vastly disproportionate amount of insecure code written in php |
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| 10:52.28 | jamesstanley | but if it's moodle and joomla then that might not be it, they are both relatively reputable afaik |
| 10:52.36 | dsfsf | but there is any log for finde how .exe where putten? |
| 10:52.58 | dsfsf | and some script programed for me |
| 10:52.59 | jamesstanley | if you want to find where the files are, run find / -name '*.exe' |
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| 10:53.08 | dsfsf | no i delete all |
| 10:53.16 | dsfsf | are in the root domain dir in a .sys |
| 10:53.30 | dsfsf | but i want to know how where put in the .sys |
| 10:53.35 | jamesstanley | dsfsf: how do you suppose these files got executed on your server? |
| 10:53.42 | jamesstanley | do you have wine on your server? |
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| 10:53.46 | dsfsf | because i activate the server-status |
| 10:53.53 | dsfsf | an di see about 20 connections try to execute |
| 10:54.11 | dsfsf | now are still executing but less, because the files now dont existes |
| 10:54.26 | dsfsf | connections are doing this: GET /.sys/Proxy.php?controller=data&key=1b627ace2cd26369bb85c03 |
| 10:54.38 | jamesstanley | that is not a .exe file |
| 10:54.55 | dsfsf | in .sys there was about 80 .exe.cache files |
| 10:54.58 | ondrejk | hi, i've just enabled swap file but i cannot hibernate, im still getting PM: Swap header not found! |
| 10:55.00 | dsfsf | and some like dogma.exe |
| 10:55.09 | dsfsf | i move all to my ftp, i download to my pc |
| 10:55.15 | dsfsf | and my kaspersky delete all |
| 10:55.18 | dsfsf | automatically |
| 10:55.24 | dsfsf | and many .dat files |
| 10:55.48 | dsfsf | some .exe, a lot of .exe.cache, .dat and an index.php and a proxy.php |
| 10:55.58 | jamesstanley | dsfsf: then the first thing you should do is disconnect the machine from the internet (if possible) and examine it as locally as possible |
| 10:56.10 | dsfsf | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:56.14 | jamesstanley | why not? |
| 10:56.19 | dsfsf | its in productive |
| 10:56.30 | jamesstanley | if that's more important than security, then that is why you're having problems |
| 10:56.49 | bolt-work | dsfsf: that machine is fubar. you should take it out of production and reinstall everything on it |
| 10:57.02 | jamesstanley | dsfsf: before that, i suggest running a diff on your backup if you can |
| 10:57.04 | jamesstanley | see what else has changed |
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| 10:57.07 | bolt-work | dsfsf: make sure you get updated versions of everything you use |
| 10:57.22 | bolt-work | dsfsf: you can't trust that box anymore |
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| 10:57.48 | dsfsf | the machine is new from 2 months |
| 10:57.52 | dsfsf | its a dedicated server |
| 10:57.57 | dsfsf | its not my server |
| 10:58.13 | bolt-work | dsfsf: its age does not matter. it's been compromised and needs cleaning |
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| 10:58.28 | dsfsf | but how to clean it? |
| 10:58.40 | jamesstanley | dsfsf: if there really is no way for you to reinstall, contact the people who host your server and ask them to do it |
| 10:58.41 | bolt-work | dsfsf: wipe, reinstall. or diff from backups, if you have them |
| 10:59.25 | dsfsf | i think the problem is over http |
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| 10:59.44 | dsfsf | if i reinstall it and i put the same webpages and php scripts |
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| 10:59.49 | dsfsf | the problem will be the same |
| 11:00.23 | jamesstanley | dsfsf: do you run fail2ban or denyhosts? |
| 11:00.32 | jamesstanley | (and do you run sshd on port 22?) |
| 11:00.39 | bolt-work | dsfsf: also, you should pretty much regard every password used on the machine, and other potentially private info, as public |
| 11:00.44 | dsfsf | and why every second i have 10 different ips that want to execute files? how i can stop this |
| 11:00.57 | bolt-work | dsfsf: disconnect it |
| 11:01.02 | jamesstanley | dsfsf: you need to take the machine offline, at the very least turn off the httpd |
| 11:01.33 | jamesstanley | dsfsf: and if you don't use fail2ban already, i highly recommend it |
| 11:01.38 | jamesstanley | it bans about 5 addresses a day for me |
| 11:01.41 | dsfsf | fail2ban? |
| 11:01.51 | dsfsf | waht do this? |
| 11:01.54 | jamesstanley | it bans ip addresses that attempt to brute force your ssh passwords |
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| 11:02.02 | dsfsf | i go to install it |
| 11:02.02 | jamesstanley | (is what i use it for, but it's very flexible) |
| 11:02.03 | Utopic | hi all |
| 11:02.07 | jamesstanley | no you don't |
| 11:02.12 | dsfsf | why? |
| 11:02.12 | jamesstanley | not yet |
| 11:02.12 | bolt-work | dsfsf: it's not going to help now |
| 11:02.29 | dsfsf | and what can i do? |
| 11:02.31 | jamesstanley | dsfsf: "closing the stable door after the horse has bolted" :) |
| 11:02.47 | dsfsf | i have about 20 websites or more |
| 11:02.54 | dsfsf | alwais use email for working |
| 11:03.02 | jamesstanley | well they're going to have to go down if you hope to recover the system |
| 11:03.02 | dsfsf | i cant stop |
| 11:03.03 | bolt-work | dsfsf: told you. clean the machine. wipe. then don't install nifty scripts from every place you can find |
| 11:03.33 | dsfsf | but how to clean the machine without resintalling? |
| 11:03.40 | dsfsf | is there any program? |
| 11:03.48 | jamesstanley | you can't because you don't know what has been changed |
| 11:03.50 | bolt-work | dsfsf: what are you expecting that program to do? |
| 11:03.54 | jamesstanley | you have to reinstall from a known-clean image |
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| 11:04.15 | dsfsf | and then? |
| 11:04.33 | bolt-work | dsfsf: like i said, then don't install all those scripts you mentioned |
| 11:05.16 | bolt-work | there's probably one or several huge security holes in them |
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| 11:05.51 | dsfsf | but can i see any log for viewing how enter? |
| 11:06.42 | dsfsf | i run rootkig but all was ok |
| 11:06.47 | Utopic | I just apt-get-installed "rubygems", but can't use it to install "buildr" or other gems, here's the command and output: http://debian.pastebin.com/mAPfd4yk |
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| 11:07.10 | Utopic | should I do something else to install gem? |
| 11:07.44 | bolt-work | dsfsf: most likely not. unless you want to review every single request for your webserver |
| 11:08.05 | dsfsf | if i can activate this log |
| 11:08.08 | dsfsf | i active for this week |
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| 11:09.10 | bolt-work | dsfsf: if you have apache configured to log requests, and the attacker didn't modify your logs (i wouldn't trust them), then the exploit _might_ be contained in the access.log file. you're better off just starting the wipe/reinstall to be honest |
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| 11:09.54 | bolt-work | oh. guess the attackers didn't like him asking for help on irc? |
| 11:10.00 | jamesstanley | lol |
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| 11:10.21 | jamesstanley | i kind of feel sorry for him, he sounds like he's quite out of his depth |
| 11:10.36 | bolt-work | yep |
| 11:11.10 | johndoe | how do i turn on the terminal BEL so it makes a beep? echo "\x7" makes a beep on tty1 but not on tty7 (graphical one) while beep makes a beep on both |
| 11:11.21 | bolt-work | the availability of plenty of nifty modules and plugins for content management systems can make anyone install one too many though :) |
| 11:11.30 | jamesstanley | yes |
| 11:11.42 | jamesstanley | johndoe: what terminal emulator are you using? |
| 11:11.57 | johndoe | jamesstanley: gnome-terminal |
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| 11:12.56 | jamesstanley | johndoe: it's probably an option somewhere under edit->preferences |
| 11:13.02 | jamesstanley | i'll try to get it and have a look for you |
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| 11:14.14 | johndoe | jamesstanley: its there, "terminal bell", but its checked (on). ive tried it both on and off, it doesnt help |
| 11:14.33 | jelly | !bell |
| 11:14.33 | dpkg | To disable the bell: "xset b off" in X, "setterm -blength 0" in console. For some reason, bash beeps excessively when in emacs (default) mode; "set -o vi" puts it in vi editing mode, which doesn't beep on partial completions. In konsole, Settings->Bell->Visible Bell. See also <pcspkr>, <shell beep>. |
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| 11:14.36 | jamesstanley | for me echo "\x7" produces a beep in gnome-terminal straight away |
| 11:15.10 | jamesstanley | jelly: none of those things disable the bell for me haha |
| 11:15.17 | johndoe | lol |
| 11:16.19 | johndoe | its bugged |
| 11:17.37 | caitlin | Hey guys, I wondered if anyone could give me a pointer about bug reporting. I get the basic process, but my bug involves 3 packages, and a specific trigger to reproduce. I'm not sure A) which package to file against B) how to build the report so the outcome can be recreated. |
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| 11:19.12 | jelly | caitlin: eh, explain it the best you can and file to one package, the maintainer will reassign if necessary |
| 11:19.28 | jelly | assuming the maintainer is activ-ish ;-) |
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| 11:20.55 | caitlin | thanks jelly |
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| 11:21.11 | Utopic | I just apt-get-installed "rubygems", but can't use it to install "buildr" or other gems, here's the command and output: http://debian.pastebin.com/mAPfd4yk |
| 11:21.16 | johndoe | ill never get my BEL working :/ |
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| 11:22.53 | jelly | Utopic: have you read /usr/share/doc/rubygems1.8/README.Debian? |
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| 11:24.25 | jelly | Utopic: disregard that; to my ruby-clueless eye, it seems either something is misconfigured (URL where a hostname should be) or there are problems with DNS resolution |
| 11:24.48 | Utopic | there's nothing relevant on README.Debian |
| 11:24.52 | innociv | How should I go about banning a ton of proxy IP's? just do a -A INPUT -s IP -j DROP for all thousands of them? |
| 11:24.56 | Utopic | ruby host should be down right now |
| 11:25.26 | Utopic | wget http://gems.rubyforge.org/yaml <-- fails too |
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| 11:27.21 | Utopic | seems that my DNS does not have this hostname... using another one |
| 11:29.15 | jamesstanley | innociv: if there are ranges you want to ban you can use CIDR notation |
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| 11:29.32 | innociv | Not really any safe ranges to ban i've seen ;/ |
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| 11:29.42 | bolt-work | innociv: otherwise, i suggest stuffing the ip's in a file and have a script run through them. don't write an iptables line for each :) |
| 11:30.21 | innociv | Any guide on how to do that? |
| 11:30.44 | jamesstanley | something like while [ read line ]; do; iptables -A INPUT -s $line -j DROP; done |
| 11:30.54 | jamesstanley | but my sh is rusty so the syntax might be wrong for the while read line |
| 11:31.22 | nkuttler | jamesstanley: do blah, not do; blah |
| 11:31.32 | jamesstanley | ok |
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| 11:31.46 | bolt-work | cat ipfile | while read ip; do iptables blah blah "$ip"; done |
| 11:31.48 | bolt-work | or somesuch |
| 11:32.20 | abrotman | innociv: block them from what? why do you care? |
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| 11:32.41 | innociv | Because people keep using proxies and being trolls |
| 11:33.04 | abrotman | !tell root_ about root |
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| 11:34.15 | innociv | bolt-work, I don't know how i'd actually set that up.. Like what kind of script to make or how to run it and such. ;/ |
| 11:34.46 | user_ | Can I post here about squeeze? |
| 11:34.57 | bolt-work | innociv: just put what i said in a file, make it executable (it runs under bash) |
| 11:35.11 | bolt-work | innociv: then make a file called "ipfile", and put your ip's in there, one per line |
| 11:35.17 | abrotman | user_: just ask |
| 11:35.30 | bolt-work | innociv: figure out what to replace "blah blah" with to make the script do what you want with the ip's |
| 11:35.45 | innociv | Oh |
| 11:36.03 | innociv | what james said, no? |
| 11:36.27 | innociv | And there is the whole merging that with my other iptables rules. |
| 11:36.49 | bolt-work | innociv: just call that from wherever you make your other rules |
| 11:36.55 | user_ | I want to install squeeze from a live image and try to start the live-installer-launcher, but it breaks with this message: "no suitable d-i initrd image found, aborting." what do I need to download to have one_ |
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| 11:37.20 | innociv | Oh |
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| 11:39.22 | user_ | I am back now please post again if you had any advice about my D-I issue, Kde crashed |
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| 11:49.39 | CharminTheMoose | My system is getting xruns all over the place: http://pastebin.ca/1878989 How can I stop this? |
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| 11:59.15 | databeestje | Hi there |
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| 11:59.31 | databeestje | I just applied the bind9 update and now it fails to start on my amd64 box |
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| 11:59.57 | databeestje | It also looks like it is a bit verbose and including all the compile flags during startup |
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| 12:00.13 | databeestje | is this a debug version of the package that has been deployed? |
| 12:00.30 | sepult | bind9 update ? |
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| 12:00.46 | sepult | was there an update to it ? |
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| 12:03.21 | databeestje | http://www.pastebin.org/318287 |
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| 12:03.37 | databeestje | it just stops after that, no errors either |
| 12:03.52 | databeestje | using -d 9 it does not even tell me anything then either |
| 12:06.23 | nsadmin | what did you do exactly to apply the update? |
| 12:06.34 | databeestje | aptitude update && aptitude safe-upgrade |
| 12:07.06 | nsadmin | oh, so you didn't upgrade bind9 itself but all of your installation. which is lenny? |
| 12:07.58 | databeestje | 5.0.4 |
| 12:08.10 | databeestje | Apt sources list, http://www.pastebin.org/318290 |
| 12:08.50 | databeestje | Only one I can think of that could have caused it is the debian volatile source. |
| 12:09.00 | databeestje | Which is for the clamav updates |
| 12:09.09 | bolt-work | apt-cache policy bind9 |
| 12:09.22 | bolt-work | will tell you :) |
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| 12:09.53 | databeestje | http://www.pastebin.org/318294 |
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| 12:10.13 | databeestje | security.debian.org |
| 12:10.24 | redax | hi, is there a way to find "unofficial" kernel images for sarge ? or shall I do it myself? |
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| 12:10.41 | redax | I mean unofficial kernel 2.6.32+ |
| 12:11.14 | bolt-work | 2.6.32 on sarge sounds like a bad idea to me |
| 12:11.26 | petern_ | sarge sounds like a bad idea to me |
| 12:12.09 | redax | :) |
| 12:12.38 | redax | ok. I'll ask other ways... is there a way to put php4 to the actual debian versions? |
| 12:12.40 | bolt-work | redax: the answer is probably "you'd have to do that yourself". lord knows why you'd want to though. |
| 12:13.01 | bolt-work | @ the kernel question |
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| 12:13.13 | databeestje | http://www.pastebin.org/318304 |
| 12:13.38 | johndoe | how do i add info to dpkg? |
| 12:13.53 | databeestje | weird, it's looking for a openssl.cnf and failing |
| 12:13.53 | redax | an old application need to move to a new hardware, the hardware has a really new Broadcom nextreme ethernet controller... which is actually supported only in 2.6.31 or whatever |
| 12:14.32 | redax | so this is a deadlock. the application need php4 |
| 12:14.45 | redax | the ethernet chip needs new kernel |
| 12:14.48 | databeestje | that filename is actually a link to /etc/ssl/openssl.cnf it appears |
| 12:15.28 | databeestje | And it exists as it should, it is probably standard too |
| 12:15.47 | fruitwerks | anyone know how to do crc32 sums from the cli? I have all the reglar ones l;ike sha and md5, but no crc? |
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| 12:18.15 | bolt-work | johndoe: add info? |
| 12:18.15 | johndoe | fruitwerks: cksum |
| 12:18.29 | bolt-work | johndoe: to the bot? try telling it "help" :) |
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| 12:18.52 | johndoe | bolt-work: thanks |
| 12:18.53 | fruitwerks | ahh |
| 12:18.56 | fruitwerks | thanks |
| 12:19.42 | databeestje | It seems the security update took me from 9.5 to 9.6-ESV |
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| 12:19.45 | databeestje | wth/ |
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| 12:20.35 | fruitwerks | 'Extremely Secure Version' lol |
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| 12:20.36 | bolt-work | redax: that looks like one of the times where i'd consider using vmware or somesuch. you could run your php4 environment in there, and it'd be portable "forever" |
| 12:20.36 | databeestje | Not that much fun as it sounds, it's the primary NS |
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| 12:20.47 | databeestje | The other 2 are working still which is goodf |
| 12:20.59 | redax | bolt-work: pervert idea. but should work |
| 12:22.00 | redax | basicly I found lenny compiled php4 :-o |
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| 12:22.18 | databeestje | bingo |
| 12:22.19 | databeestje | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=584911 |
| 12:22.40 | databeestje | That's the one |
| 12:24.36 | redax | hehh. extremly secure version, maybe won't let neither me in :) |
| 12:25.42 | databeestje | debian list mail http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org/msg791717.html |
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| 12:27.46 | panfist | i have a debian machine that's physically separated from the internet. i want to install a new package; is it possible to list urls straight to the .debs for all the dependencies? |
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| 12:28.04 | liable | nope |
| 12:28.30 | liable | well, you cant do it automagically |
| 12:28.48 | jelly | panfist: was it on internet in the past? apt-get --print-uris install foo might work if apt's database is populated |
| 12:28.58 | liable | phinaliumz: packages.debian.org will list the depends |
| 12:29.06 | liable | panfist: ^^ |
| 12:30.34 | liable | jeez, why oh why do people with a nick starting with the same letter as the person i am talking to always join at the most inoppurtune moment.. |
| 12:30.48 | jelly | panfist: exact filename in the output might be outdated but to updates, but you'll have a starting point |
| 12:30.51 | panfist | --print-uris works, i can generate a script pretty easily for this |
| 12:31.51 | jelly | liable: why does your irc client not complete on the nick you last talked to, or at least the nick the last spoke, or at least NOT the nick that merely joined? |
| 12:31.54 | phinaliumz | liable: :p |
| 12:32.31 | liable | jelly: ask the irssi devs.. |
| 12:32.51 | jelly | liable: file a bug. |
| 12:33.05 | liable | jelly: i'm sure you can tell them how to fix it |
| 12:33.12 | jelly | liable: I'm not using that crap |
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| 12:33.35 | liable | yikes, thems are strong words |
| 12:33.46 | jelly | anyhoo, don't blame random joiners for your buggy client ;-) |
| 12:34.08 | databeestje | I'm kind of miffed with this openssl issue affecting bind9 |
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| 12:35.03 | liable | jelly: i wasnt *blaming* random nick |
| 12:35.28 | liable | maybe a little bit |
| 12:35.29 | jelly | liable: you know what I meant! |
| 12:35.35 | bolt-work | i blame phinaliumz for all my troubles |
| 12:36.03 | jelly | hmph, found a bug in uswsusp |
| 12:36.32 | phinaliumz | i blame liable for bolt blaming me etc etc |
| 12:36.35 | liable | bolt-work: indded, he made me sterile |
| 12:36.37 | phinaliumz | :p |
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| 12:42.06 | gancient | hi all i am trying to install debian testing . need help. |
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| 12:43.31 | nevyn | sigh. |
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| 12:43.57 | nevyn | I wish I didn't feel compelled to read software licences. |
| 12:44.09 | gancient | i am using the daily build installer for usb. |
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| 12:45.17 | LtWorf | hello |
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| 12:46.31 | gancient | the problem i am facing is that when i boot using the gtk image, the initial bootup messages appear but then the screen goes blank. |
| 12:46.39 | anisfarhana | hello Liutenant Worf |
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| 12:46.56 | nevyn | in the licence for a downloadable driver "You may not transmit the Software over any network or between any devices." |
| 12:47.06 | johndoe | how do i add this to dpkg's info about bell -- (just a link) http://osdir.com/ml/debian-user-debian/2010-04/msg01906.html |
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| 12:49.15 | bolt-work | gancient: don't use the daily build. use the somewhat stable images instead. daily can have many such issues |
| 12:49.40 | bolt-work | johndoe: bell is also blah |
| 12:49.58 | bolt-work | replace blah with link |
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| 12:50.10 | gancient | bolt-work: first i tried using the CD iso for kde |
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| 12:51.09 | gancient | bolt-work: all works well but the moment the ncurses based installer pops up ,my keyboard stops to work. |
| 12:51.32 | gancient | bolt-work: none of the keys respond, num-lock doesn't toggle :( |
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| 12:52.43 | stonie | hiho |
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| 12:53.38 | gancient | bolt-work: i got the kde iso from the following link http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/squeeze_di_alpha1/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 12:53.47 | stonie | when i crypt a container with dmcrypt via loopdevice do i always have to unmount, cryptsetup remove and losetup -d it when i reboot? otherwise files could take damage? |
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| 12:56.26 | craigevil | gancient: use the weekly builds, http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-kde-CD-1.iso or the netinstall |
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| 12:56.59 | djura-san | o/ |
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| 13:05.02 | gancient | craigevil: ok, i just checked the last modified time of both, the alpha-1 and the weekly builds, the week-ly build was yesterday. |
| 13:05.31 | gancient | craigevil: then why does the alpha-1 still mentioned in the downloads page ? |
| 13:05.43 | gancient | craigevil: just wanted to know. |
| 13:06.25 | craigevil | gancient: the installer itself is alpha-1 |
| 13:07.11 | gancient | craigevil: quoting from the downloads page "To install Debian testing, we recommend you use the squeeze Alpha1 release of the installer, after checking its errata. The following images are available for squeeze Alpha1:" |
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| 13:07.32 | thrashold | When I start anacron, should it continue running after running the init script? |
| 13:08.38 | gancient | craigevil: the links which follow direct to http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/squeeze_di_alpha1/i386/iso-cd/ where the last modified date of the isos is feb-2010 |
| 13:08.53 | thedog | hi guys, is there a page on debian site in which there's the description of what is requested for squeeze artwork proposal? |
| 13:10.08 | themill | thrashold: No. anacron is started periodically by cron itself. See /etc/cron.d/anacron. |
| 13:10.24 | thrashold | themill: Thanks |
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| 13:12.15 | OpenTokix | Do anyone have any nice resource to read on debian + iptables for high volume gateway? ie. alot of connections, not so much data on each connection |
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| 13:17.28 | HristoTorbov | so what are the Host's cmds? |
| 13:18.10 | rumpsy | nye nye |
| 13:18.25 | rumpsy | its otherwise called as bye bye |
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| 13:25.59 | krushik | what was the utility to show codes of keys that u press on keyboard? |
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| 13:26.19 | johndoe | ok, so how do i remove some info from dpkg :D (i made a mistake) |
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| 13:26.31 | krushik | what kind of info? |
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| 13:28.55 | Toony | krushik: there is xev command |
| 13:28.59 | videorechner_ | I have kubuntu on my hdd and want to install debian on an usb stick, I also have a debian install cd, but I dont want to boot from cd, there is an exe for win, but nothing for linux, what can I do? |
| 13:29.46 | frostschutz | you want to install debian without booting a cd? |
| 13:30.01 | frostschutz | you can just debootstrap it from kubuntu |
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| 13:31.43 | videorechner_ | is that a proper way? |
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| 13:31.52 | videorechner_ | or will I have issues later? |
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| 13:33.45 | krion | hi |
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| 13:33.58 | krion | is there a special channel for problem related to raid-soft ? |
| 13:34.33 | abrotman | in Debian? |
| 13:34.39 | krushik | Toony, exactly, thanks |
| 13:34.46 | krion | i've something really weird, cat /proc/mdstat tell me /dev/sdb is the only raid1 disk running for the array |
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| 13:34.55 | krion | but it's in reality /dev/sda |
| 13:35.21 | stonie | when i crypt a container with dmcrypt via loopdevice do i always have to unmount, cryptsetup remove and losetup -d it when i reboot? |
| 13:37.04 | frostschutz | stonie: I never had issues with just unmounting |
| 13:38.02 | frostschutz | stonie: but if via loopdevice means some file on some other filesystem, then you probably have to remove that loop device in order to be able to unmount the filesystem that holds the crypt-loop-mounted file |
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| 13:38.17 | krushik | videorechner_, there are a lot of tutorials about installing debian with a debootstrap. there will be no difference between installing on hdd or on a usb stick if u use debootstrap. it is very flexible and efficient way |
| 13:38.48 | stonie | tyvm |
| 13:39.10 | videorechner_ | krushik, I just found them with google, but I couldnt find a way to use a live-cd image as source, is that possible? |
| 13:39.41 | frostschutz | videorechner_: you can use the live cd installer to install to usb stick if that was your question |
| 13:40.24 | krion | you'll see the weird thing here http://pastebin.com/Z6RsEbby |
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| 13:41.32 | videorechner_ | frostschutz, the live cd installer creates a new squashfs image, I basically would like to unpack a live image and use it like a installed version of debian |
| 13:42.03 | krushik | videorechner_, do you want your usb stick to be live-usb or to be with debian installed on it? |
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| 13:42.19 | frostschutz | you can just install debian on the usb stick like you would install debian on hdd |
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| 13:42.35 | wrksx | I installed qmail (MTA) and I want it to start automatically. I got a script called qmailctl wich can {start|stop|restart|doqueue|flush|reload|stat|pause|cont|cdb|queue|help} How should I proceed ? |
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| 13:43.14 | krion | how could i determine the minor and major of a device ? |
| 13:43.15 | videorechner_ | with debian installed on it. (my internet access is limited so I would prefer to get the packeges from a live image, I already have) |
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| 13:43.47 | abrotman | wrksx: are you sure you really want to use qmail ? |
| 13:44.03 | wrksx | abrotman, no =) |
| 13:44.06 | Buglouse | Want list of boot codes/parameters for GRUB with linux kernel on debianV5 |
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| 13:44.10 | wrksx | abrotman, anything against it ? |
| 13:44.29 | abrotman | wrksx: most people that are just looking for a simple MTA choose postfix or exim |
| 13:44.30 | mh__ | hi.. i was looking for some command line tool that can show me the dimentions of my images (png), does anyone have a suggestion? |
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| 13:45.13 | wrksx | abrotman, I'll have many newsletter to send |
| 13:45.21 | wrksx | abrotman, you think exim can fit ? |
| 13:45.24 | abrotman | wrksx: so you want a mailing list manager? |
| 13:45.41 | abrotman | wrksx: define "many" unless you're talking millions in a matter of minutes, any MTA should be fine |
| 13:45.57 | wrksx | abrotman, not so many I think ! |
| 13:46.22 | wrksx | abrotman, but qmail will be installed by my ISP so I wanted to try it loccaly before. |
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| 13:46.31 | abrotman | would get a new ISP |
| 13:46.42 | abrotman | wrksx: what are you going to use for a mailing list? ezmlm? |
| 13:46.59 | wrksx | abrotman, I don't know for the moment |
| 13:47.26 | wrksx | abrotman, I'll first try to send single mails, which would be a good start |
| 13:47.38 | lgeetj | Im having a HP server, ProLiant ML 115 G1. Which debian iso should I get? |
| 13:47.39 | abrotman | qmailctl start .. that should start the MTA |
| 13:47.49 | abrotman | lgeetj: 32bit or 64bit ? |
| 13:47.51 | wrksx | abrotman, mailing list will come latter |
| 13:48.02 | lgeetj | I think it's a 32 bit |
| 13:48.10 | krushik | videorechner_, is your live-cd an installer cd too? |
| 13:48.10 | wrksx | abrotman, but I want it to start on system start |
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| 13:48.25 | abrotman | wrksx: /etc/init.d/skeleton .. look in there |
| 13:48.28 | abrotman | lgeetj: i386 |
| 13:48.37 | lgeetj | x86 AMD |
| 13:48.38 | wrksx | abrotman, K, thanks |
| 13:48.56 | videorechner_ | krushik how can I check that? I downloaded this one: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/squeeze_di_alpha1/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-kde-CD-1.iso |
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| 13:52.12 | lgeetj | dual-core, 1.8GHz or 2.2GHz AMD Opteron processor, which iso should I get? |
| 13:52.33 | abrotman | i386 .. i said that |
| 13:52.51 | abrotman | if it has the 'lm' flag, you can try amd64 .. ultimately up to you |
| 13:53.05 | abrotman | sounds too old to have the lm flag though |
| 13:53.06 | lgeetj | ohh thanks |
| 13:53.38 | lgeetj | yes it's a 2-3 years old server |
| 13:54.04 | lgeetj | lm flag stands for amd64? and also if it's new server |
| 13:54.13 | krushik | videorechner_, this links points to installer. it is not livecd, just installer and it is what u need. u can boot from it to the installer UI and just install deb to the device of your usb stick |
| 13:54.31 | abrotman | lgeetj: yes, 'lm' means x86_64/amd64 .. 64bit |
| 13:54.50 | lgeetj | but not mine since it's an old server? |
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| 13:58.30 | videorechner_ | krushik found it, I can use file:/cdrom/debian/ with debootstrap |
| 13:59.55 | krushik | videorechner_, good. it will be the best way |
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| 14:03.55 | videorechner_ | I get this: Cannot install into target '/mnt' mounted with noexec or nodev how can I mount this with exec and dev? |
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| 14:06.48 | krushik | it is because of string in fstab. u can either remove noexec and nosuid options in your fstab or choose another mount point with no such options set up |
| 14:06.49 | juhas1002 | hi guyz |
| 14:07.34 | krushik | for example, mkdir /mnt/newdeb; mount /dev/sdb1 -t ext3 /mnt/newdeb; |
| 14:08.08 | krushik | assuming your stick is sdb with ext3 partition |
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| 14:14.20 | juhas1002 | i have a problem with my backup system |
| 14:14.50 | videorechner_ | it finds the stick now, but wont find the Release file on the CD: http://pastebin.com/EvSyYg6t |
| 14:15.48 | juhas1002 | i have three normal machines and one "mirror" machine which should substitude broken machibe |
| 14:16.12 | juhas1002 | i was using for backup rsync and dar |
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| 14:16.33 | juhas1002 | but now my boss wants more complex solution |
| 14:16.55 | juhas1002 | something with configs and log |
| 14:17.10 | juhas1002 | i need write new bash script |
| 14:17.58 | juhas1002 | but i dont know how normal machine can read from mirror machine configs and write logs |
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| 14:18.26 | juhas1002 | i need something really light, not ftp, nfs or smb |
| 14:18.29 | juhas1002 | any ideas? |
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| 14:20.19 | OpenTokix | juhas1002: Have you lookeded up rsnapshot? |
| 14:21.08 | juhas1002 | OpenTokix: you dont understand me |
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| 14:21.23 | OpenTokix | juhas1002: maybe not |
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| 14:21.38 | juhas1002 | OpenTokix: i need store on my backup machine logs from normal mechines\ |
| 14:22.00 | juhas1002 | OpenTokix: and read from local backup machine configs |
| 14:22.13 | OpenTokix | you lost me again |
| 14:22.29 | videorechner_ | krushik, is this because I use debootstrap on an ubuntu system to install a debian system? |
| 14:22.39 | CharminTheMoose | My system is getting xruns all over the place: http://pastebin.ca/1878989 How can I stop this? |
| 14:22.58 | juhas1002 | OpenTokix: ok, once again |
| 14:23.15 | bolt-work | juhas1002: you want the backup machine to be able to take over for any of the other 3? |
| 14:23.56 | juhas1002 | bolt-work: exactly |
| 14:24.13 | jelly | juhas1002: and where will the backups go then? |
| 14:24.20 | krushik | videorechner_, was afk. yes. ubuntu's debootstrap has such files only for ubuntu releases |
| 14:24.30 | juhas1002 | it mach complex |
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| 14:24.49 | tdn | What should I use to easily create simple sequence diagrams like UMLs Message Sequence Diagrams? |
| 14:24.57 | juhas1002 | i store backups (configs, data, databases) on remote ftp |
| 14:25.23 | OpenTokix | juhas1002: Maybe you can use drbd http://www.drbd.org/ |
| 14:25.30 | juhas1002 | now i need create system with will coordinate createing backups |
| 14:25.30 | videorechner_ | krushik yet the one I pointed to, is a debian release does it need another one somwhere on my system? |
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| 14:26.36 | krushik | videorechner_, oh. I misunderstood. show your 'ls /media/Debian/dists/squeeze/' in a private message |
| 14:26.48 | abrotman | !paste |
| 14:26.48 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>. |
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| 14:27.09 | juhas1002 | on my backup machine will be configs about witch files from normal machines will be backup |
| 14:27.27 | juhas1002 | and i need create logs from backup process too |
| 14:27.29 | jelly | juhas1002: there are two, maybe three separate issues here. You have a cold-spare server and want a disaster recovery solution. You already backup some, maybe all, of the files, to a remote location. How do logs come into that picture? |
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| 14:28.19 | krushik | videorechner_, ah. i see |
| 14:28.34 | bolt-work | juhas1002: you have to decide if you want backups, as in, being able to restore your data from an earlier point, or if you want a mirror of your current data only |
| 14:29.00 | krushik | videorechner_, first of all, try to install debian version of debootstrap |
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| 14:29.13 | juhas1002 | jelly: now each machine creates backup separetly and stores it on ftp |
| 14:29.32 | juhas1002 | im not createing logs |
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| 14:29.38 | bolt-work | juhas1002: if you want the fourth machine to just take over, maybe you can use drbd, as was suggested, or you could go corporate and use vmware esx or something, virtualize all the machines and have them move seamlessly between physical machines if one fails |
| 14:29.38 | juhas1002 | but i want do it |
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| 14:29.47 | videorechner_ | krushik is there a deb file? |
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| 14:30.09 | lepine | I have the feeling i |
| 14:30.10 | krushik | videorechner_, for ex. echo "deb http://mirror.yandex.ru/debian squeeze main non-free contrib" >> /etc/apt/sources.list; apt-get update; apt-get install -t squeeze debootstrap |
| 14:30.14 | bolt-work | juhas1002: what kind of logs? |
| 14:30.23 | lepine | d get forwarded here for a php question because of suhosin ... |
| 14:30.42 | bolt-work | lepine: ? |
| 14:30.47 | juhas1002 | bolt-work: i will thing about drbd |
| 14:31.09 | lepine | bolt-work: I'm now questioning whether I should bother #debian about this now ... |
| 14:31.11 | juhas1002 | bolt-work: Friday, 01.01.1970 - backup create |
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| 14:31.14 | juhas1002 | d |
| 14:31.25 | Ironhand | I'm looking for advice on whether to use Xen or KVM for server virtualization, specifically in an all-Debian situation... although Xen used to be more mature I get the impression that KVM has moved ahead rapidly... is anyone who has used recent versions of either able to recommend one or the other? Complex setup is not an issue, long-term maintenance and stability are. |
| 14:31.34 | jelly | juhas1002: which software are you using to make backups at present time? homemade scripts? |
| 14:31.35 | bolt-work | juhas1002: you're developing time travel? |
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| 14:32.18 | juhas1002 | jelly: homemade script, basicson rsync and dar |
| 14:32.24 | juhas1002 | bolt-work: yes |
| 14:32.30 | bolt-work | juhas1002: cool! |
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| 14:32.54 | juhas1002 | bolt-work: i like it too:) |
| 14:33.58 | bolt-work | juhas1002: if you just want logs of what rsync did, you could just run it with -v and have it append to a file. run "date" and have that dumped to the file too |
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| 14:35.25 | videorechner_ | krushik works, thanks for your help |
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| 14:36.15 | SuperMiguel | i have about 600 pictures in a folder, what command can i use for it to show me the name of the files that are bigger than 5MB?? |
| 14:36.27 | frostschutz | SuperMiguel: find -size +5M |
| 14:36.33 | juhas1002 | bolt-work: my boss invented logs, i dont need it and i have it in my ass |
| 14:36.34 | krushik | videorechner_, np. debootstrap is useful tool |
| 14:36.41 | jelly | SuperMiguel: also read /msg dpkg using find |
| 14:36.58 | SuperMiguel | Thank you |
| 14:37.02 | juhas1002 | afar from computer |
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| 14:37.44 | jelly | juhas1002: if you're running scripts from cron, you'll automatically get all the output by mail |
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| 14:39.02 | SuperMiguel | any of you guys have issues with icedtea6-pluging being very very slow?? |
| 14:39.50 | SuperMiguel | and very buggy.. I been trying to load pictures to facebook for about 3 days now.. and i think is because of java.. are there any better ways or browsers to use java? |
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| 14:39.59 | SuperMiguel | using iceweasel with icedtea6-plugin |
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| 14:40.19 | jelly | have you tried using sun's java instead? |
| 14:40.59 | jelly | if running an architecture for which Sun ships a browser plugin (that is... i386) |
| 14:41.06 | SuperMiguel | jelly, i tried openjdk-6-jre but it didnt seem to work with iceweasel. |
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| 14:41.20 | jelly | openjdk is not Sun |
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| 14:42.29 | SuperMiguel | jelly, so should i download the bin from suns site? |
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| 14:42.40 | jordanm | jelly: it is according to wikipedia |
| 14:42.45 | jelly | SuperMiguel: no, use packages |
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| 14:43.07 | jelly | SuperMiguel: sun-java6-plugin |
| 14:43.12 | jordanm | ,versions sun-java6-plugin |
| 14:43.14 | judd | sun-java6-plugin -- etch-backports/non-free: 6-07-3~bpo40+1; lenny/non-free: 6-12-1; squeeze/non-free: 6.20-dlj-1; sid/non-free: 6.20-dlj-3 |
| 14:43.23 | jelly | !tell SuperMiguel about non-free |
| 14:43.35 | jelly | !tell SuperMiguel about java plugin |
| 14:43.58 | juhas1002 | back |
| 14:44.11 | redax | what's the reason for update-rc.d not allowing other priority than 19 ? |
| 14:44.30 | redax | in the recent squeeze release at least... |
| 14:44.32 | loopidity | how could i make my bash_history file record date and time as well ? |
| 14:44.49 | _TheAvatar | What software raid would you recommend? mdadm? pure storage |
| 14:45.06 | lepine | Does anyone know what's the deal with php-suhosin and file permissions? |
| 14:45.06 | _TheAvatar | oh - raid 1 |
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| 14:45.26 | frostschutz | _TheAvatar: mdadm |
| 14:45.49 | stonie | mkfs.ext2: /lib/libblkid.so.1: version `BLKID_2.17' not found (required by mkfs.ext2) ??? running 2.6.32-trunk-686 |
| 14:45.59 | jelly | jordanm: 6.20 ought to get backported probably, earlier versions are security riddled |
| 14:46.25 | _TheAvatar | okay, I am also slightly familiar with that, so that's good. Thanks |
| 14:46.28 | jordanm | stonie: you should not still be running that kernel |
| 14:46.49 | stonie | its a fresh installation from netinst |
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| 14:47.29 | jelly | stonie: there's a missing dependency in your installed version of e2fsprogs; make sure libblkid1 package is up-to-date and upgrade it manually if it's not |
| 14:47.52 | jordanm | stonie: doesn't matter, upgrade to the latest kernel and remove trunk after you have verified the new one works |
| 14:48.15 | stonie | ty lemme see |
| 14:48.20 | jordanm | !tell stonie about moving target |
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| 14:49.22 | SuperMiguel | jelly, installed the suns one and i get an error while trying to load anything java related |
| 14:49.27 | stonie | can i just switch from squeeze to stable? |
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| 14:50.00 | jelly | stonie: negative |
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| 14:50.30 | jordanm | SuperMiguel: you have to run update-java-alternatives to switch from openjdk |
| 14:50.44 | jordanm | and "an error" is meanlingless without giving us the actual error |
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| 14:51.06 | jelly | SuperMiguel: that's not very descriptive. Restart the browser. You may want to remove packages for any other java-plugin implementations before that |
| 14:51.25 | SuperMiguel | update-java-alternatives -l ->java-6-sun 63 /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun |
| 14:51.36 | stonie | how do i choose stable or testing at the installation? i havent been asked at akk |
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| 14:51.51 | jelly | SuperMiguel: the important one is probably the libjavaplugin* alternative, here |
| 14:52.00 | kermit | how do i get rid of these 2 little colord dots in corner of the new terminator? |
| 14:52.16 | SuperMiguel | so only one listed.. error is a java error says: http://pastebin.com/TbBVgb7y |
| 14:52.21 | jelly | stonie: simplest thing to do is use the netinst for stable |
| 14:52.27 | jordanm | stonie: you use the ISO for the intended release or manually input the mirror in "expert mode" |
| 14:52.39 | stonie | tyvm |
| 14:52.44 | jelly | jordanm: itym release |
| 14:53.05 | juhas1002 | thanks for advice guyz, you help me a lot |
| 14:53.10 | juhas1002 | cya |
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| 14:53.29 | jordanm | jelly: you mean instead of release? |
| 14:53.42 | jordanm | err mirror :) |
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| 15:06.38 | garotosopa | Is there somewhere I can see why audacious-plugins-extra package is no longer available for testing? Has it been replaced by some other package? |
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| 15:07.34 | jordanm | !why is audacious-plugins-extra not in testing |
| 15:07.34 | dpkg | audacious-plugins-extra is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=audacious-plugins-extra |
| 15:08.19 | jordanm | ,versions audacious-plugins-extra |
| 15:08.22 | judd | audacious-plugins-extra -- etch: 1.2.5-1; lenny: 1.5.1-2 |
| 15:08.44 | abrotman | !removals |
| 15:08.45 | dpkg | The log of Debian package removals (including removal reasons) for this year is at http://ftp-master.debian.org/removals.txt . For logs of previous years, see http://ftp-master.debian.org/#removed |
| 15:09.25 | gynter | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:10.11 | \amethyst | gynter: system crontab syntax, in particular (with a user column) |
| 15:10.18 | _zed | gynter, in a root crontab format |
| 15:10.28 | gynter | k ,thanks |
| 15:10.58 | abrotman | garotosopa: seems to have been changed to just audacious-plugins ? |
| 15:11.22 | garotosopa | abrotman: I'll try to upgrade then and see if there's Scrobbler support. |
| 15:11.29 | garotosopa | jordanm: abrotman: thanks! |
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| 15:12.42 | abrotman | garotosopa: the removal reason is: [auto-cruft] NBS (no longer built by audacious) |
| 15:13.00 | abrotman | garotosopa: removed on may 24th, 2010 |
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| 15:13.40 | cafaro | Hi, I receive a fatal error when I want to create a xorg.conf (Xorg -configure) with Debian Squeeze, what is causing this? => http://pastebin.com/mswr1Nuu |
| 15:14.46 | stonie | which is the latest kernel for stable on smaller machines? linux-image-2.6.26-2-686 or linux-image-2.6.32-3-686 |
| 15:15.01 | abrotman | cafaro: going wisdom is to remove the vmware X driver |
| 15:15.07 | abrotman | stonie: the former |
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| 15:15.16 | abrotman | judd: kernels |
| 15:15.17 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.34-1-686 (2.6.34-1~experimental.2); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-15); squeeze: 2.6.32-3-686 (2.6.32-9); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.4-686 (2.6.32-11~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-22lenny1); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
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| 15:15.30 | themill | cafaro: run it when X isn't running or run "X -configure :1" |
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| 15:16.04 | mazzachre | Uhm help... Tried to install tomcat before jvm, apparently not a good idea, now apt-get won't install or really do anything... |
| 15:16.38 | cafaro | themill: I ran it in single-user mode? |
| 15:16.59 | jordanm | !tell mazzachre about bat |
| 15:17.15 | jordanm | mazzachre: create a pastebin with the info that dpkg pmed you |
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| 15:17.45 | themill | cafaro: ahh... what abrotman said then |
| 15:18.35 | loopidity | is .bash_history updated after logging out? |
| 15:19.41 | \amethyst | yes, it's written (or appended, depending on whether shopt -s histappend is set) when an interactive bash exits |
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| 15:20.18 | loopidity | gotcha |
| 15:20.22 | garotosopa | abrotman: hmm just fyi there's no longer Scrobbler support in Audacious... :( |
| 15:20.29 | loopidity | and how to change the timestamp to human readable form |
| 15:20.33 | mazzachre | Oh... java is installed.. but no java home is set.. should it not do that automagically? |
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| 15:20.38 | loopidity | i get unix time stamp now |
| 15:21.07 | jordanm | mazzachre: your not going to get much help if you ignore our responses |
| 15:21.09 | loopidity | export HISTTIMEFORMAT='%h/%d - %H:%M:%S ' |
| 15:21.14 | jordanm | you're |
| 15:22.22 | mazzachre | http://pastebin.com/MVPLQvGT |
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| 15:23.17 | jordanm | ,depends tomcat5.5 |
| 15:23.18 | judd | tomcat5.5 -- depends: default-jdk | java2-runtime-headless | java2-runtime, libtomcat5.5-java (>= 5.5.26-5), adduser (>= 3.34), libecj-java, jsvc (>= 1.0.2~svn20061127-6). |
| 15:23.27 | mazzachre | So.. tomcat needs a full jdk.. not just jre :( Hmmm |
| 15:23.50 | jordanm | mazzachre: yes, and it should have been pulled down as a depends. are you using sun or openjdk? |
| 15:23.58 | mazzachre | sun |
| 15:24.28 | cafaro | jordanm: I did 'dpkg -l *vmware*', which returns 'xserver-xorg-v (vmware display driver), when I do 'aptitude remove xserver-xorg-v', I get a message that there is no such package, how should I remove the vmware driver!? |
| 15:24.28 | jordanm | mazzachre: install sun-java6-jdk and update-java-alternatives to make it the default |
| 15:24.30 | mazzachre | it does not want to pull it as dependency.. but I can install a jdk... But I thought a jre was enough... |
| 15:25.11 | jordanm | cafaro: the package is xserver-xorg-video-vmware. it sounds like the column is getting cut-off so you only see some of the name |
| 15:25.17 | karlpinc | cafaro: Your screen is too "narrow". |
| 15:25.26 | cafaro | ok |
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| 15:44.22 | flo` | hi |
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| 15:44.45 | flo` | is there a way to use the new sata/pata driver with debian lenny without recompiling the kernel? |
| 15:45.18 | flo` | the "old" driver (generating hda etc) crashes with my CF card. the "new" one (sda) works good |
| 15:46.07 | frostschutz | flo`: unless old and new are both modules and you can blacklist the old ... I guess not |
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| 15:46.30 | flo` | frostschutz, i dunno if they are |
| 15:46.38 | flo` | where can i get debian's .config from? |
| 15:46.59 | frostschutz | isn't there a /proc/config.gz? |
| 15:47.15 | flo` | no. but maybe i have to load the module for it? |
| 15:47.27 | frostschutz | uh, I don't think there's a module for it :) |
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| 15:47.35 | frostschutz | lsmod could be interesting |
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| 15:47.50 | frostschutz | I'd just compile the kernel though (;) |
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| 15:48.51 | flo` | frostschutz, well, i don't like to do this on my debian system. this is intended to be my "working system". it should simply work. when i want to fiddle, i have another system |
| 15:49.31 | flo` | but, ide_disk is loaded. maybe that belongs to that driver? |
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| 15:53.15 | mederEsite | hey. can someone recommend a gui timer to use? im trying the pomodoro technique. |
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| 15:56.14 | abrotman | mederEsite: for which GUI ? |
| 15:56.18 | mederEsite | gnome |
| 15:56.25 | mederEsite | i need to be able to |
| 15:56.29 | abrotman | mederEsite: apt-cache search gnome timer |
| 15:56.29 | mederEsite | set it to say, 25 mins |
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| 15:56.32 | mederEsite | and have it count down |
| 15:56.33 | mederEsite | ok |
| 15:56.48 | mederEsite | i see timer-applet |
| 15:56.50 | mederEsite | i dled it |
| 15:57.06 | mederEsite | trying to find it |
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| 15:57.17 | mederEsite | `timer-applet` doesnt invoke it, neither does `timer` |
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| 15:58.31 | flo` | can i blacklist modules via kernel command line? |
| 15:58.54 | flo` | or do i hjave to change modprobe.conf / some blacklist file and then rebuild my initrd? |
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| 16:00.09 | abrotman | mederEsite: you probably have to right click on the panel and add it to the panel |
| 16:00.42 | mederEsite | awesome |
| 16:00.49 | frostschutz | flo`: then instead of compiling, can't you just install a kernel that just works and uses the new driver? |
| 16:01.23 | themill | loopidity: please decide if you're using debian or ubuntu and ask in the appropriate place and in only one channel at a time. |
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| 16:01.49 | frostschutz | flo`: I always use my own kernels so I have no clue what the prebuilt ones use but I can't imagine there not being a kernel that doesn't use the new drivers (they are not that new anymore anyhow) |
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| 16:02.18 | flo` | frostschutz, well, lenny seems to use one ;) |
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| 16:02.37 | flo` | and, if i install some other kernel, i don't get updates. is that a problem? |
| 16:03.03 | flo` | *a security problem? |
| 16:03.21 | frostschutz | I'm the wrong person to ask I'm afraid, sorry :-) |
| 16:03.26 | flo` | i mean, i notice if it's bug-free, but if it's also secure? |
| 16:03.36 | loopidity | ok themill but why would it be annoying though |
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| 16:04.01 | loopidity | cause they are related and somebody in atleast one place can help me |
| 16:04.22 | themill | loopidity: /msg dpkg based on debian ; /msg dpkg cross post |
| 16:05.16 | Bushmills | flo`: how would you notice whether a kernel is bug free? |
| 16:05.27 | jhutchins_lt | loopidity: Ford and Chevrolet both make cars, but you don't take a Ford to the Chevy dealer. |
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| 16:05.36 | d1b | frostschutz: does it really matter? mainline is where it is at |
| 16:05.51 | flo` | Bushmills, if it crashes, it isn't. if it doesn't crash, the parts i'm using are bug free* |
| 16:06.07 | Bushmills | flo`: bug != crash |
| 16:06.07 | jpinx-eeepc | loopidity: lots of us lurk in lots of channels to see the abuse of the VOLUNTARY help and advice given ;) |
| 16:06.14 | jhutchins_lt | flo`: What are you trying to blacklist? |
| 16:06.15 | loopidity | Would the same analogy hold true for Open Source? as everybody can freely collaborate in it |
| 16:06.30 | flo` | jhutchins, the driver that generates hda devices |
| 16:06.34 | flo` | i want the "sda"-driver |
| 16:06.43 | d1b | flo`: udev? |
| 16:06.53 | flo` | because this one seems to work good with my pcmcia card |
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| 16:06.58 | loopidity | I believe it is more about the outcome and less about brand |
| 16:07.07 | flo` | d1b, or blacklist it. but atm i don't even find it |
| 16:07.10 | d1b | ..... |
| 16:07.13 | flo` | maybe lenny hasn't it compiled in? |
| 16:07.20 | d1b | maybe it is /dev/hda |
| 16:07.24 | flo` | (i mean: IDE support in that "new" driver) |
| 16:07.25 | d1b | or /dev/sd* |
| 16:07.29 | d1b | libata? |
| 16:07.35 | flo` | i think so. |
| 16:07.36 | themill | loopidity: if you want general advice then try ##linux. #debian is here for debian users and we know about debian. Please respect that. |
| 16:07.39 | flo` | libata is the "new" driver, right? |
| 16:07.46 | loopidity | sure i do |
| 16:07.51 | jhutchins_lt | flo`: I belive that depends entirely on your kernel version. All of them generate sd* devices, but older ones handle IDE as hd*. |
| 16:08.16 | d1b | loopidity: get out |
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| 16:08.39 | loopidity | sorry for the annoyance, but this is a little sad |
| 16:08.44 | themill | d1b: please play nicely with the other kiddies |
| 16:08.59 | flo` | but, actually not hda or sda matters but whether it works. and the old one does not work with my pcmcia card |
| 16:09.02 | jhutchins_lt | flo`: 2.6.26 - standard for lenny - treats PATA as sd*. |
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| 16:09.16 | flo` | jhutchins, it does not |
| 16:09.17 | d1b | themill: ok! |
| 16:09.25 | flo` | i'm the living example ;) |
| 16:09.34 | jhutchins_lt | flo`: Does for all of the systems I run. |
| 16:09.34 | ChaozZBubi | sometimes lenny did on my machine |
| 16:09.37 | ChaozZBubi | and sometimes not |
| 16:09.38 | flo` | i still have /dev/hda |
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| 16:09.46 | flo` | jhutchins, well. strange ;) |
| 16:09.53 | jhutchins_lt | flo`: Is this a clean install or an upgrade? |
| 16:09.57 | flo` | clean |
| 16:10.02 | flo` | can i blacklist module via the grub shell? |
| 16:10.04 | themill | the libata migration isn't complete in lenny |
| 16:10.23 | d1b | themill: i haven't hit it in squeeze yet either ;P |
| 16:10.29 | flo` | i assume that i simply need to blacklist the "old" driver. |
| 16:10.33 | jhutchins_lt | flo`: You could try bumping it to the bpo kernel. |
| 16:10.39 | loopidity | the main reason I come to debian is that folks here seem to know more and very well also, |
| 16:10.41 | d1b | flo`: well is it there at all? |
| 16:10.47 | flo` | bpo?? what's this? |
| 16:10.51 | d1b | backport |
| 16:10.58 | flo` | ah |
| 16:11.01 | jhutchins_lt | ,kernels |
| 16:11.02 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.34-1-686 (2.6.34-1~experimental.2); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-15); squeeze: 2.6.32-3-686 (2.6.32-9); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.4-686 (2.6.32-11~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-22lenny1); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
| 16:11.20 | flo` | again: how can i blacklist modules via grub shell? |
| 16:11.24 | jhutchins_lt | I think 33 is actually available. |
| 16:11.40 | d1b | flo`: well what do you want to do here ? |
| 16:11.49 | d1b | what actually is the problem |
| 16:11.59 | themill | loopidity: #debian is not some advanced version of #ubuntu. If we wanted to help users with their ubuntu questions, we'd be doing so in #ubuntu (and some of the regulars do). Anyway... end of discussion. |
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| 16:12.05 | flo` | d1b, i want that my system uses the NEW (libata) driver. for _all_ devices |
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| 16:12.17 | flo` | and i assume that simply blacklisting the old one helps |
| 16:12.33 | flo` | but i simply need to know if it's possinble to blacklist modules via grub's shell |
| 16:12.54 | flo` | that's the fourth time i ask this question. and i haven't got an answer yet |
| 16:12.58 | d1b | flo`: well you need to know if it supported or not |
| 16:13.05 | flo` | d1b, i will see then |
| 16:13.08 | d1b | it might not even be supported anywhere |
| 16:13.11 | flo` | if it works: yes. if not: no |
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| 16:13.19 | d1b | so im not sure what the question / problem you have is |
| 16:13.26 | flo` | can't anyone _PLEASE_ answer my question -_-? |
| 16:13.40 | flo` | a fifth time: is it possible to blacklist modules via grub's shell? |
| 16:13.48 | Riviera | :D |
| 16:14.13 | flo` | that's a pretty clear question, isn't it, d1b? |
| 16:14.13 | d1b | dpkg: blacklist |
| 16:14.14 | dpkg | In lenny and squeeze, create/edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf and add a line similar to this (without quotes): "blacklist module_name". If this doesn't work, do 'echo "install modulename /bin/true" >> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf'. IMPORTANT: ask about <blacklist-initramfs>. To blacklist a module at installation time, ask me about <installer blacklist>. http://wiki.debian.org/KernelModuleBlacklisting |
| 16:15.29 | flo` | and my question still isn't answered :( |
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| 16:15.40 | flo` | can i do this (temporarily) via kernel command line as well? |
| 16:15.48 | flo` | yes (how?) or no? |
| 16:15.59 | themill | flo`: feel free to read what dpkg said. |
| 16:16.06 | rashd7_ | i have bcm5784m lan card on debian sid |
| 16:16.22 | flo` | themill, i did. maybe too fast. |
| 16:16.29 | rashd7_ | but on taskbar it shows `no network devices found` |
| 16:16.36 | rashd7_ | how to solve this issue |
| 16:16.50 | d1b | rashd7_: install the firmware, which will most likely fix it |
| 16:16.52 | rashd7_ | any help will be greatly appreciated |
| 16:16.57 | d1b | might have firmware in non-free |
| 16:17.03 | flo` | well, themill, does the wiki say how to do it via grub? |
| 16:17.11 | rashd7_ | where can i get firmware |
| 16:17.15 | flo` | i didn't find it. maybe i'm too stupid to read? |
| 16:17.16 | themill | flo`: it also sounds like you're asking the wrong question. But seeing as how several people have tried to point that out to you and you're gone of on the "my question isn't answered yet" rant, I'm not going to bother. |
| 16:17.44 | flo` | themill, what is wrong about the question? |
| 16:17.55 | flo` | i don't understand... but i'm willing to learn ;) |
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| 16:18.07 | rashd7_ | d1b: where to get firmware |
| 16:18.34 | d1b | http://wiki.debian.org/Firmware |
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| 16:20.20 | rashd7_ | d1b cannot download from it |
| 16:20.31 | d1b | no... read it |
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| 16:21.57 | rashd7_ | d1b ok |
| 16:22.37 | larsie | any idea why my grub loader is slow when adding a cd/dvdrom on PATA, with another ide disk, but not when I add cd/dvd as sata |
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| 16:24.30 | guzu | hello all |
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| 16:25.36 | guzu | etch and lenny see it just fine |
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| 16:26.24 | d1b | erh? |
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| 16:37.17 | flo` | hi |
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| 16:37.40 | flo` | i upgraded to kernel 2.6.32 from lenny backports... well, it doesn't seem to work very well |
| 16:37.48 | Posterdati | hi |
| 16:37.54 | flo` | the first i noticed is that acpi doesn't work |
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| 16:38.24 | Posterdati | please help, is there anyone using kpackage under squeeze, I didn't find the package manager on a newly installed squeeze (686) |
| 16:38.42 | flo` | it's unlikely but possible that this is a kernel bug. in 2.6.34 (self-compiled) it works. in lenny's 2.6.32, /proc/acpi/battery isn't there (however the module is loaded!) |
| 16:38.52 | flo` | that's fatal, as it's a laptop. |
| 16:39.08 | flo` | my harddisks are still named hda and sda |
| 16:39.23 | flo` | i also tried blacklisting ide_core, but it gets loaded :( strange thing |
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| 16:39.54 | xoveruk | could someone help me with vsftpd please, i cannot view the anonymous dir and am not sure where i am logging into |
| 16:40.04 | xoveruk | is the default /var/pub? |
| 16:40.20 | flo` | acpi event's don't work at all :/ |
| 16:41.01 | jordanm | xoveruk: I would check your config as well as /usr/share/doc/vsftpd/* |
| 16:41.09 | flo` | i'll try something.bye |
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| 16:44.45 | flo` | okay. my actual problem is solved with the new kernel. however, it has much more new problems :( |
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| 16:45.10 | flo` | as i said: upgrade from 2.6.26 to 32 (lenny and lenny-bpo) --> acpi doesn't work |
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| 16:45.36 | flo` | acpid doesn't execute my scripts. /proc/acpi/battery etc aren't there (only some files) |
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| 16:47.05 | ElMonkey | hi, i'm a bit of a noob setting up a debian server, and i am having trouble creating another account besides root |
| 16:47.21 | ElMonkey | useradd/passwd ask me for a kerberos password |
| 16:47.32 | ElMonkey | but i don't recall ever having one |
| 16:47.47 | ElMonkey | what am i missing? |
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| 16:51.45 | xoveruk | im just getting a tonne of errors |
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| 16:51.59 | xoveruk | i just want anonymous access, where is the default home folder? |
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| 16:53.17 | abrotman | ElMonkey: adduser |
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| 16:56.02 | ElMonkey | abrotman, that also asks for kerberos password |
| 16:56.28 | abrotman | did you intregate the system to an AD ? |
| 16:56.39 | ElMonkey | upon entering whatever password, i get "User not known to the underlying authentication module" |
| 16:56.46 | ElMonkey | AD? |
| 16:56.55 | ElMonkey | since that doesnt ring a bell, i'd say not |
| 16:57.12 | valdyn | ElMonkey: you should be using adduser, not useradd |
| 16:57.37 | ScottG | I'm reading the Debian manual and it says "Do not install random packages by "dpkg -i <random_package>"." Why is this a bad idea? |
| 16:57.52 | valdyn | ScottG: why are you asking? |
| 16:58.13 | valdyn | ScottG: is it not obvious that unknown software can be anything, even malicious junk? |
| 16:58.14 | ScottG | valdyn: I have done that before. In fact afaik it is required to install googleearth |
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| 16:58.39 | valdyn | ScottG: if you trust google. |
| 16:58.41 | dotblank | is best practice to incude a debian/ direcotry in the source code or in git? |
| 16:58.55 | dotblank | I think it can cause some problems |
| 16:59.01 | ScottG | valdyn: Ok, they are a little vague on their definition of "random" |
| 16:59.15 | valdyn | ScottG: random means that you dont know what you are doing |
| 16:59.15 | abrotman | dotblank: doesn't git hold your source code? |
| 16:59.21 | jhutchins_lt | ScottG: The package management system prefers that you install using repositories, either physical disks or on-line. It is much easier to resolve potential dependencies and track conflicts than downloading/installing. |
| 16:59.32 | valdyn | ScottG: that could be installing malware that way or just breaking your system by installing ubuntu packages in debian |
| 16:59.37 | PeterNL | Hi, my fglrx-drivers got upgraded to 1:10-5-1 (testing) yesterday, and they're broken, how do I revert to 1:10-4-*? |
| 16:59.42 | dotblank | abrotman, it does.. |
| 16:59.50 | jhutchins_lt | ScottG: It's also allows the system to track upgrades and security fixes. |
| 16:59.59 | ScottG | valdyn: Doesn't it have to be a .deb in order for dpkg -i to work on it? |
| 17:00.08 | valdyn | ScottG: sure it has to be a .deb |
| 17:00.10 | jhutchins_lt | ScottG: Generally, while it's possible and even correct in some cases, it should be avoided, especially by new users. |
| 17:00.36 | abrotman | dotblank: so uhm ... it would be part of your source code, stored in git? |
| 17:00.41 | valdyn | ScottG: what does that have to do with anything? |
| 17:00.46 | jhutchins_lt | ScottG: The manual may not approach the idea as well as it could, but it's fighting the Windows paradigm where you download and install packages individually. |
| 17:00.56 | ScottG | Also, at times if a package isn't available in apt you might need to get a .deb and install it manually with dpg - i |
| 17:01.07 | valdyn | ScottG: "need" |
| 17:01.23 | ScottG | valdyn: You said something about installing an ubuntu package. |
| 17:01.26 | valdyn | ScottG: need as in " i google and find xy and install it without knowing the implications" |
| 17:01.31 | jhutchins_lt | ScottG: Other distros also use the .deb format, and packages for those systems may not integrate correctly with Debian. |
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| 17:02.09 | ScottG | valdyn: So you have never used dpkg -i before? |
| 17:02.19 | valdyn | ScottG: thats the wrong question |
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| 17:02.25 | ScottG | jhutchins_lt: Ah ok. I wasn't aware that ubuntu used .deb as well |
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| 17:02.39 | jhutchins_lt | ScottG: Aquiring packages through the repositories gives you _some_ assurance that that particular version will integrate correctly with your release. |
| 17:02.39 | valdyn | ScottG: this is about knowing the implications, not about never using it |
| 17:02.40 | ScottG | valdyn: No it isn't. You just don't want to answer it |
| 17:02.43 | jhutchins_lt | ScottG: They're not the only ones. |
| 17:02.46 | dotblank | abrotman, I'm new how version control systems work and with packaging Its just that my program is more cross platform then debian and if its best practice to contain the debian directory with a control file... because it has a maintainer there and people won't be able to sign packages unless they change it |
| 17:02.48 | PeterNL | Hi, my fglrx-drivers got upgraded to 1:10-5-1 (testing) yesterday, and they're broken, how do I revert to 1:10-4-*? |
| 17:03.02 | valdyn | ScottG: i use it regularily even on packages in and from debian |
| 17:03.09 | valdyn | ScottG: thats not useful information for you though |
| 17:03.10 | jhutchins_lt | valdyn: I really don't think using the repositories informs you of any implications. It abdicates the responsibility to the packagers. |
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| 17:03.16 | ScottG | valdyn: I am aware that executing any code that I have downloaded can have negative consequences. I don't even knw why we would be discussing this |
| 17:03.18 | dotblank | dotblank, also I have to change the control file for each target |
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| 17:03.28 | peterS | PeterNL: in general, reverting is not supported. but you can always try it and sometimes it works. the thing to do is to find the older package in /var/cache/apt/archives/ and install it with 'dpkg -i'. |
| 17:03.30 | valdyn | ScottG: good point |
| 17:03.38 | valdyn | ScottG: thats all there is to it anyway |
| 17:03.43 | ScottG | Alrighty |
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| 17:03.59 | PeterNL | peterS: I'll try that, thanks (cool name, btw!) |
| 17:04.03 | peterS | heh |
| 17:04.12 | themill | dotblank: you can keep debian/ in your source control setup, but don't include it in the tarballs. |
| 17:05.02 | jhutchins_lt | ScottG: So in answer to the original question of "why is this in the guide", it's to fight off the Windows paradigm. |
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| 17:05.03 | ScottG | jhutchins_lt: Yea. I think I was just a little thrown by the statement. It is just so obvious to me that I read it a different way |
| 17:05.03 | valdyn | jhutchins_lt: same as random .deb applies to random repositories, obviously |
| 17:05.03 | flo` | hello. after an upgrade to kernel 2.6.32 from lenny-backports, /proc/acpi/event has vanished |
| 17:05.09 | PeterNL | peterS: I only have the 10-5 packages in the cache, no 10-4 packages... |
| 17:05.09 | dotblank | themill, thanks |
| 17:05.14 | flo` | why did it vanish? |
| 17:05.30 | valdyn | flo`: its in /sys now? |
| 17:05.34 | flo` | this causes acpid to refuse to start, which sucks |
| 17:05.48 | flo` | valdyn, where exactly? |
| 17:05.51 | valdyn | flo`: is there a new acpid in backports? |
| 17:06.00 | flo` | possible |
| 17:06.00 | jhutchins_lt | valdyn: Even with the official repositories, you're trusting that the packagers were duely dilligent. |
| 17:06.04 | flo` | i'll look |
| 17:06.06 | abrotman | themill: why not? it seems mildly useful ? |
| 17:06.11 | flo` | but, where's the events file? |
| 17:06.31 | valdyn | jhutchins_lt: thats not useful |
| 17:06.42 | valdyn | jhutchins_lt: average users cant check *everything* |
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| 17:06.57 | flo` | and, no, valdyn, it's not there |
| 17:07.13 | flo` | or is it called uevent? |
| 17:07.55 | themill | abrotman: because then the DD has to repackage the source before they can do anything useful (meaning you can't verify md5sums on the orig.tar.gz if you wanted to) and the upstream version will have debian packaging in it that is wrong compared to the debian archive. And wrong stuff is confusing and going to lead to problems. |
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| 17:08.22 | flo` | valdyn, is it now called uevent? |
| 17:08.24 | jhutchins_lt | valdyn: True. Now you've established that practicality requires a certain level of trust. It's a question of who should be trusted. |
| 17:08.45 | valdyn | flo`: probably, i have no idea, i just know that /proc/avpi/event is obsoleted |
| 17:08.55 | abrotman | themill: i guess, still seems useful! |
| 17:09.08 | themill | abrotman: it's a right pain in the arse, actually. |
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| 17:10.56 | valdyn | flo`: obsolete since february 2008 it seems |
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| 17:11.19 | SrSHH | anyone can help me with SFTP?? |
| 17:11.35 | petemc_ | probably1 |
| 17:11.45 | peterS | SrSHH: someone probably can, but you're going to have to be more specific |
| 17:11.55 | kW_ | Hello! How can I make the package "samba-common" unwanted in /etc/apt/preferences and if package "nagios-plugins" is to be installed, apt should install "nagios-plugins" without also installing "samba-common"? |
| 17:12.20 | flo` | did the new acpid break compatibility? |
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| 17:12.49 | flo` | my old scripts don't work. but suspend to ram does (also configured by my scripts) |
| 17:13.20 | SrSHH | i connect with ssh to my school server, then i put the command ssh root@192.168.x.x and then i see my web space. Now i want to do the same with SFTP but i only can connect to the server. |
| 17:13.25 | flo` | hm, no. _some_ scripts don't work |
| 17:13.55 | kW_ | Is there no one with knowledge about APT-Pinning? |
| 17:13.59 | valdyn | kW_: why wuould you do that? |
| 17:14.07 | valdyn | kW_: pinning has nothing to do with this |
| 17:15.03 | SrSHH | peterS: can you understand me |
| 17:15.04 | kW_ | valdyn: well, "man apt_preferences" says that setting a negative pin-priority prevents the package from being installed |
| 17:15.19 | valdyn | kW_: but it does not break dependencies |
| 17:15.36 | valdyn | kW_: try --without-recommends or somesuch, see manpage |
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| 17:16.17 | kW_ | valdyn: ok, then the question is simply: how can I issue "apt-get install nagios-plugins" without "samba-common" being installed (e.g. intentionally overriding dependencies) |
| 17:16.22 | valdyn | kW_: alternatively you can just install it and try removing it later, if its really only a recommend |
| 17:16.30 | peterS | SrSHH: yeah, what you probably want is tunneling. sftp -o ProxyCommand="ssh -q school_server -W %h:%p" 192.168.x.x |
| 17:16.31 | valdyn | kW_: thats not support in debian |
| 17:16.36 | valdyn | kW_: its stupid |
| 17:16.47 | valdyn | kW_: why would you even care about it? |
| 17:16.49 | jpinx-eeepc | kW_: use --without-recommends maybe? |
| 17:16.56 | kW_ | valdyn: well, the problem is that setting up "samba-common" creates a lot of questions, and these cannot be answered in automated installation |
| 17:17.10 | valdyn | kW_: so use --without-recommends |
| 17:17.13 | peterS | SrSHH: I note that -W is fairly new, so I think this won't work in Debian stable, only testing / unstable. If you have debian stable, you can do the same but you will need netcat to be installed on the intermediate system school_server |
| 17:17.28 | jpinx-eeepc | just said that |
| 17:17.32 | SrSHH | i use windows for connecting |
| 17:17.38 | SrSHH | i can put this command in the cmd? |
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| 17:17.51 | peterS | SrSHH: this channel is about using Debian. I don't know what you can do on Windows. |
| 17:18.09 | SrSHH | and using Filezilla? |
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| 17:18.22 | themill | kW_: the questions can be answered in advance. See debconf-set-selections. |
| 17:18.22 | Vasistha | my virtual terminals have disappeared... X is still working fine, but the VT's give me a blank screen |
| 17:18.23 | peterS | I do note that ssh -W is a fairly new option, I don't think it's in Debian stable, only unstable/testing |
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| 17:18.32 | kW_ | valdyn: " |
| 17:18.33 | kW_ | # apt-get --without-recommends install nagios-plugins |
| 17:18.35 | kW_ | E: Command line option --without-recommends is not understood" |
| 17:18.44 | valdyn | kW_: read the manpage |
| 17:18.53 | valdyn | kW_: i thought you were using aptitude |
| 17:19.09 | peterS | SrSHH: the ssh command I'm talking about is from OpenSSH. If you use OpenSSH on Windows, you can do what I suggested. If you use something else, you're on your own. |
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| 17:19.18 | valdyn | kW_: maybe its a real dependency and not just a recommend, then you cant do anything |
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| 17:19.36 | themill | ,depends nagios-plugins |
| 17:19.38 | judd | nagios-plugins -- depends: nagios-plugins-basic, nagios-plugins-standard. |
| 17:20.03 | valdyn | ,depends nagios-plugins-standard |
| 17:20.05 | judd | nagios-plugins-standard -- depends: libc6 (>= 2.7-1), libldap-2.4-2 (>= 2.4.7), libmysqlclient15off (>= 5.0.27-1), libpq5 (>= 8.3~beta1), libradiusclient-ng2, fping, qstat, snmp, radiusclient1, libnet-snmp-perl, dnsutils, bind9-host | host, smbclient, ucf, nagios-plugins-basic (>= 1.4.5-2). |
| 17:20.11 | kW_ | valdyn: well, it is an explicit dependency, but I do not need the samba-part of that dependency graph |
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| 17:20.26 | valdyn | kW_: tough luck |
| 17:20.46 | themill | kW_: samba-common is not samba. |
| 17:20.47 | peterS | kW_: sounds like you need to file a bug asking them to downgrade smbclient from Depends to Recommends, on the grounds that the plugins package is usable without smbclient |
| 17:20.58 | Vasistha | peterS: ftr, ssh -w is in stable |
| 17:21.04 | valdyn | peterS: that bug is already fixed in sid |
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| 17:21.16 | peterS | Vasistha: I didn't say -w, I said -W |
| 17:21.19 | kW_ | peterS: well, that's an idea... |
| 17:21.31 | valdyn | but that bug is probably not going to be fixed in lenny, ever |
| 17:22.01 | valdyn | and its really the wrong way to go about fixing that samba-common is "asking questions" |
| 17:22.13 | ScottG | As someone looking for more up-to-date packages, would you recommend unstable or testing? From reading the FAQ it sounded like unstable might actually be better because it can take longer for bug fixes to get through to testing. I just thought I would get a second opinion |
| 17:22.41 | valdyn | ScottG: if you dont need the computer for anything important... |
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| 17:22.42 | ScottG | better than testing, I mean. |
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| 17:22.56 | ScottG | valdyn: No, it's just my laptop. |
| 17:23.03 | jhutchins_lt | ScottG: It will break. |
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| 17:23.12 | jhutchins_lt | ScottG: It may take several days for broken packages to be fixed. |
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| 17:23.59 | ScottG | jhutchins_lt: I don't use it for anything critical at this point. I have another computer and it's the summer so nothing is critically important for school and such. |
| 17:24.41 | ScottG | jhutchins_lt: So which would you recommend? |
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| 17:25.07 | jordanm | ScottG: I would recommend lenny + backports |
| 17:25.26 | jhutchins_lt | ScottG: How well do you know debian's configuration and package management? |
| 17:26.00 | ScottG | jhutchins_lt: I'd say I'm intermediate. |
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| 17:26.34 | ScottG | jordanm: What are backports? |
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| 17:26.43 | jordanm | !bpo |
| 17:26.43 | dpkg | backports.org is a semi-official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://deb.li/bpoi . A sample line for your sources.list is: deb http://www.backports.org/debian lenny-backports main contrib non-free. Once added: "aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update". <bpo mirrors> <bpo contents> <bpo list> <backports-users> |
| 17:26.47 | jhutchins_lt | ScottG: Really up to you then. If I were going to run Sid, I'd make sure to do a drive image before every upgrade, so I could fall back if something broke. |
| 17:27.06 | jhutchins_lt | ScottG: Um, intermediate, but you don't know backports? |
| 17:27.25 | jhutchins_lt | ScottG: If you're new to _Debian_, I'd spend some time getting to know lenny first. |
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| 17:27.36 | jordanm | yep, automatic placement into "beginner" :) |
| 17:27.45 | ScottG | jhutchins_lt: I'm on squeeze |
| 17:27.50 | jhutchins_lt | ScottG: I've been running Linux since RedHat 2.1, but it's all been RPM/SysV based systems. |
| 17:28.43 | ScottG | jhutchins_lt: I've been using Linux since 2 Christmases ago. I used Gentoo for a big chunk of that time |
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| 17:29.21 | ScottG | jhutchins_lt: I think I will try this backports thing first. |
| 17:29.26 | jordanm | ScottG: knew I recognized the name... the gentoo channel |
| 17:29.52 | ScottG | jordanm: You recognize me from the Gentoo channel? Why are you on both? lol |
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| 17:30.14 | jordanm | ScottG: not in a while |
| 17:30.16 | ScottG | Well, I suppose that isn't too strange. I haven't been on #gentoo in a few months, though |
| 17:30.34 | jordanm | been a few months for me as well, I used to go by titan8990 |
| 17:30.40 | ScottG | Is squeeze older than lenny? |
| 17:30.50 | ScottG | that name looks a little familiar |
| 17:30.51 | jordanm | squeeze is not release yet |
| 17:30.56 | ScottG | oic |
| 17:31.08 | ScottG | Is there a squeeze-backports? |
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| 17:32.29 | jordanm | ScottG: no, backports are only for the stable release, and they come from testing (squeeze) |
| 17:32.40 | ScottG | Ah, so I am on testing now |
| 17:33.15 | jordanm | ScottG: if you are looking for gentoo-like, you want sid which is the most rolling-release like of them all. personally, I use testing/unstable for development and testing only |
| 17:33.23 | ScottG | jordanm: Well maybe I should stick here for a while before going to unstable if at all. |
| 17:33.35 | jordanm | !tell tum ScottG |
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| 17:34.02 | ScottG | jordanm: Let me ask you this, if I want to get a newer version of a package, what is the correct way to go about doing this? |
| 17:34.04 | jordanm | ScottG: there is always a testing/unstable mix, but can lead to a disaster for inexperienced users as well as cause grief if you wanted to continue to use squeeze after it is stable |
| 17:34.16 | abrotman | jordanm: whatever that bot command wsa supposed to be, failed |
| 17:34.26 | jordanm | !tell ScottG about tum |
| 17:34.34 | ScottG | oh that's a PM |
| 17:34.34 | jordanm | abrotman: yeah, I was way off... |
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| 17:35.08 | jordanm | !tell ScottG about ssb |
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| 17:35.38 | ScottG | jordanm: If I am in testing then it probably hasn't been backported, though, correct? |
| 17:36.14 | jordanm | ScottG: nothing will be backported for squeeze until squeeze is stable. anything you need backported, you have to do it yourself (see ssb pm from dpkg) |
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| 17:36.38 | ScottG | ok |
| 17:37.17 | jordanm | even with as broken as it can be, I still prefer to see a broken apt than EBUILD FAILED :) |
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| 17:37.34 | ScottG | lol yea |
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| 17:37.41 | ScottG | What a nightmare |
| 17:40.23 | Vasistha | my virtual terminals have disappeared... X is still working fine, but the VT's give me a blank screen. Any idea of how to restart them? |
| 17:40.27 | ScottG | haha grep has broken before causing the boot process to hang. That's crazy |
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| 17:42.16 | jordanm | Vasistha: are you using squeeze? |
| 17:42.26 | ScottG | Vasistha: Just made me figure that out myself |
| 17:42.30 | jordanm | recalls that bug but can't recall which package |
| 17:42.37 | Vasistha | jordanm: no, lenny. |
| 17:42.38 | ScottG | I basically just looked at the getty process that was running and ran the same command |
| 17:42.53 | jordanm | Vasistha: are you using grub2? |
| 17:43.05 | ScottG | I don't full understand it, though so I probably should let someone else answer this |
| 17:43.07 | Vasistha | jordanm: no, but I do use suspend to ram frequently |
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| 17:44.52 | Vasistha | oh, update: the VT works but the video is not working. I was able to log in and touch 'hello', and the file appeared. There's just no video. |
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| 17:45.11 | ScottG | ah ok. Then that's beyond me. |
| 17:45.13 | Vasistha | so maybe this is an issue with my video card driver having trouble on suspend wakeup |
| 17:45.38 | ScottG | psh Linux having problems with suspending? yea right! |
| 17:45.42 | Vasistha | hmm, rumor has is squeeze is much better with suspend wakeup ... am looking forward to it |
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| 17:47.13 | ScottG | I haven't had a chance to suspend or hibernate yet. Just have had a wicked long uptime, 14 days, on my laptop. No doubt due to not suspending |
| 17:47.30 | ScottG | I think I'm gonna try suspending right now actually |
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| 17:48.49 | jordanm | Vasistha: I am not finding it on the BTS, let me check my IRC logs |
| 17:48.55 | jordanm | is sure this came up before |
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| 17:49.10 | Vasistha | jordanm: thanks for looking! if it helps it's a thinkpad t42 |
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| 17:50.48 | ElMonkey | alright, i figured it out: setting minimum UID for kerberos higher than 1000 worked |
| 17:51.43 | ScottG | Vasistha: What command do you use to suspend? |
| 17:52.16 | Vasistha | ScottG: pm-suspend --quirk-s3-bios |
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| 17:52.31 | ScottG | pm that's what I couldn't think of |
| 17:52.37 | jordanm | Vasistha: are you using the default .26? |
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| 17:52.49 | Vasistha | jordanm: yeah |
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| 17:53.37 | ScottG | Well that worked. Cool |
| 17:54.18 | ScottG | Let me try hibernate now |
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| 17:55.32 | alexhq | Anyone with XEN PCI passthrough expirience here (lenny)? |
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| 17:56.37 | jordanm | Vasistha: no luck |
| 17:56.56 | Vasistha | jordanm: well, thanks for looking, anyway! |
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| 17:58.01 | jordanm | Vasistha: any time |
| 17:58.05 | jordanm | alexhq: try ##xen |
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| 17:58.32 | alexhq | jordanm, yeah, already there |
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| 18:00.20 | jordanm | Vasistha: if it only occurs after the suspend, I would consider filing a bug report against pm-utils |
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| 18:00.56 | lxsameer | hi i try to Submit CD vendor information, but i get this error http://dpaste.com/204806/ , is there any where that i can talk about that ? |
| 18:01.12 | Vasistha | jordanm: thanks for the recommend. Does it make sense to wait until after I install squeeze, and see if it appears there as well? |
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| 18:02.54 | jordanm | Vasistha: it would probably be helpful to the maintainer to know whether or not it occurs in a later version but not required |
| 18:04.14 | Vasistha | lxsameer: Perhaps "broken data" is returned because the page doesn't validate? Why don't you validate your html document with http://validator.w3.org/ -- one thing I noticed is that DOCTYPE should be all-caps not lowercase |
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| 18:09.13 | Vasistha | jordanm: alright, I'll have to do a proper reboot one of these days and figure out when it breaks. Thanks! |
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| 18:10.55 | Steppenwolf | please, my setup is faulty, and repair does not work, how do I upgrade to the next version (from 5) |
| 18:11.10 | valdyn | Steppenwolf: theres no next version |
| 18:11.20 | Steppenwolf | well. testing |
| 18:11.22 | jhutchins_lt | Vasistha: Case is irrelevant in HTML markup, for human readability only. |
| 18:11.42 | Vasistha | jhutchins_lt: hum, I guess it's a bug in the kate syntax highlighting then |
| 18:11.46 | lxsameer | Vasistha: let me try |
| 18:12.44 | Vasistha | lxsameer: well anyway, I dunno what you'll need to change to get it to validate, but if you can get it through the validator that may very well satisfy the vendor submittal check |
| 18:12.44 | hagen___ | Hello, is there a way to bind a program to a specific networking device so no connections from any other device are possible? |
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| 18:13.40 | jordanm | hagen___: if the application supports binding to a particular interface, yes |
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| 18:14.27 | jordanm | hagen___: a good example is the cups web inteface, which is only bound to the loopback interface by default |
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| 18:15.23 | hagen___ | jordanm: it does not support that. but thank you anyway. |
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| 18:20.25 | icebubble | Hi all, my ISP only provide Debian 4 etch. Is it still maintained ? |
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| 18:20.26 | timothy | how can I increase the shmmax in squeeze |
| 18:20.34 | valdyn | icebubble: no |
| 18:20.43 | icebubble | and do you think I should concider upgraping ? |
| 18:21.04 | icebubble | valdyn, no what ? not maintained ? |
| 18:21.15 | abrotman | timothy: /etc/sysctl.conf IIRC |
| 18:21.19 | bzed | icebubble: no. lenny was released a loooong time ago |
| 18:21.30 | icebubble | I know... |
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| 18:21.39 | abrotman | icebubble: etch hasn't had security dates since february |
| 18:21.50 | abrotman | or was that april .. |
| 18:21.53 | abrotman | bah .. i'm getting old |
| 18:22.07 | icebubble | we're all |
| 18:22.12 | jhutchins_lt | icebubble: Is this on a hosting system? |
| 18:22.24 | icebubble | jhutchins_lt yes. French ISP |
| 18:22.35 | icebubble | can I simply upgrade to lenny ? |
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| 18:22.55 | valdyn | icebubble: how would we know? |
| 18:23.01 | jhutchins_lt | icebubble: The problem is if something gets messed up and you can't get back on line. Do you or they have backups? |
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| 18:23.37 | jhutchins_lt | !tell icebubble about etch->lenny |
| 18:24.15 | icebubble | jhutchins_lt, they provide a web app which permits to initialize the server back to etch in one click, and for the moment my server is empty |
| 18:24.19 | Anarch | I beamed a KDE desktop onto a system running Gnome, and now the Gnome system won't start. I want it to run Gnome, so I need to delete some preference file that tells it to run the not-installed KDE. What's the preference file? |
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| 18:25.35 | jhutchins_lt | icebubble: This assumes the web app still works if you mess up. |
| 18:25.40 | JordiGH | about:rights in Iceweasel says it's being given to me under the MPL. I thought that you had to go though a clickthrough to accept the MPL? |
| 18:25.44 | jhutchins_lt | icebubble: I'd say it was worth a try - you do have shell access, right? |
| 18:26.16 | icebubble | jhutchins_lt, right. They sure can reinitialize my server when needed, just have to send a mail |
| 18:26.32 | icebubble | jhutchins_lt, yes I got ssh |
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| 18:27.03 | icebubble | jhutchins_lt, I saw what dpkg told me, it is as simple as changing the source.list ? |
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| 18:28.39 | icebubble | jhutchins_lt, I can't see how could I mess sthing up... |
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| 18:30.46 | jordanm | icebubble: no, you were supossed to read the lenny changelog which describes the upgrade in detail |
| 18:30.56 | jordanm | icebubble: along with a section of potential issues you might run into |
| 18:31.30 | icebubble | jordanm, ok thx |
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| 18:37.01 | courpse | What can i use to create flash files on debian? |
| 18:37.36 | walery | Hi, i have attached an usb device to my pc. After that i got an /dev/usbdev1.23 file. It is a character device. I know that the device holdes some images and i want to access them. Did someone know a way to access the files? |
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| 18:38.48 | cherwin | walery: Your desktop manager should handle accessing usb drives |
| 18:38.53 | cherwin | walery: what do you got installed? |
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| 18:39.51 | walery | gnome. The device isn't a usb stick |
| 18:40.04 | walery | And i don't have /dev/sdb* |
| 18:40.04 | cherwin | what is it? |
| 18:40.53 | walery | it's a medical device |
| 18:41.04 | cherwin | ah.. |
| 18:41.18 | cherwin | can you do a cat /dev/usbdev1.23 |
| 18:41.30 | walery | yes, it give some binary data |
| 18:41.40 | cherwin | pipe it to a file |
| 18:41.42 | walery | and it a usb uart bridge |
| 18:41.54 | cherwin | and try to examine the contents of that file |
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| 18:42.43 | walery | If i cat the device i got only ~20 bytes |
| 18:42.52 | courpse | What can i use to create flash files on debian? |
| 18:43.03 | cherwin | but _what_ is it? |
| 18:43.12 | cherwin | maybe I can google some stuff for you |
| 18:43.15 | cherwin | be verbose.. |
| 18:43.24 | walery | The usb interface of the device is a CP210x chipset -> http://www.etheus.net/CP210x_Linux_Driver |
| 18:43.34 | walery | thats a USB to serial bridge |
| 18:44.11 | abrotman | have you checked dmesg ? |
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| 18:45.51 | walery | yes i did. But the only information is: [28111.368406] usb 1-3.1.3: New USB device strings: Mfr=0, Product=0, SerialNumber=0 |
| 18:45.54 | walery | [28111.368556] usb 1-3.1.3: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice |
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| 18:46.30 | Xeli | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:46.37 | jelly-home | walery: hm, if you had a working usb-to-serial device, it would create something like a /dev/ttyUSB* |
| 18:46.52 | jelly-home | walery: can you talk to the device using eg. minicom? |
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| 18:49.43 | walery | jelly-home: no i got no /dev/ttyUSB |
| 18:50.06 | walery | should i try to minicom the /dev/usbdev |
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| 18:51.50 | jelly-home | walery: that's not a serial uart, probably a raw device |
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| 18:52.30 | jhutchins_lt | Xeli: I would think that this is not an abstract, generalizable case, but something specific about the particular "program" you are trying to run. |
| 18:52.37 | jelly-home | so you'll first have to coerce Linux to create a ttyUSB, and then you'll have to learn how to talk with it using a serial protocol |
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| 18:52.54 | walery | i know that the original windows driver install a UART bridge to access the device |
| 18:52.55 | jhutchins_lt | minicom does not handle USB devices well. |
| 18:53.19 | jelly-home | works for me |
| 18:53.49 | walery | jhutchins_lt: minicom works with uart. i did that in the past for accessing a cisco router |
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| 18:54.18 | jhutchins_lt | I've had trouble selecting ports with a multiport serial adapter. |
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| 18:55.01 | Xeli | jhutchins: Well the only thing the program does it print getuid and geteuid |
| 18:55.02 | jelly-home | jhutchins_lt: generalizing from that to "usb devices" isn't awfully correct |
| 18:55.15 | Xeli | shouldn't that return uid 0 (root) ? |
| 18:55.18 | walery | if i cat the usbdev and open it with hexer i see the following output: 12 01 00 02 ff ff ff 40 01 03 31 00 01 00 00 00 (at the first bytes) |
| 18:56.25 | birdjeff | i've got a server which I can ssh into with root, but when any other user attempts to ssh in, they are immediatley disconnected stating 'the sytem is going down..in a past date'. What could cause this? |
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| 18:58.10 | Old_Spike0 | It the APT-Howto is considered obsolete, what would be its heir document, so to say? |
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| 18:58.25 | Old_Spike0 | Or more up-to-date? |
| 18:58.36 | abrotman | to do what? |
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| 19:00.54 | Old_Spike0 | abrotman, to learn and manage apt and, specially, compiling from source to end up with a .deb package. |
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| 19:01.18 | jordanm | !nmg |
| 19:01.18 | dpkg | The New Maintainer's Guide (http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/), Developer's Reference and Policy document how packages should be made and how they should interact with each other. Ask me about <package basics>, <mentors>, <policy>, <best practices> or see http://www.debian.org/devel/ http://women.debian.org/wiki/English/BuildingWithoutHelper |
| 19:02.28 | ScottG | jordanm: If all I have is a .tar.gz for a package what is the correct way to get that set up on Debian? |
| 19:02.34 | Old_Spike0 | Oh! Thank you. |
| 19:02.56 | jordanm | ScottG: for one machine or many? |
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| 19:03.21 | ScottG | jordanm: One |
| 19:03.44 | jordanm | ScottG: I would just manually install to /usr/local (typically the default for upstream sources). what is it? |
| 19:03.54 | ScottG | jordanm: Exaile |
| 19:04.27 | jordanm | ,versions exaile |
| 19:04.29 | judd | exaile -- lenny: 0.2.11.1+debian-2; sid: 0.2.14+debian-2.3; squeeze: 0.2.14+debian-2.3 |
| 19:04.31 | ScottG | 0.3.1.2 specifically |
| 19:05.07 | jordanm | ScottG: well, it probably wouldn't take much to make a package out of it since you can likely take the packaging work from the previous versions |
| 19:05.25 | jordanm | otherwise, I would just manually compile and install to /usr/local |
| 19:05.51 | ScottG | Ok. I'm not that great with doing that stuff but I have before. I'll give it a shot |
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| 19:06.00 | _william_ | hi all |
| 19:06.15 | jordanm | ScottG: its likely some combination of ./configure --prefix=/usr/local; make; make install |
| 19:06.27 | abrotman | ScottG: stow or checkinstall are good things to look at |
| 19:06.45 | abrotman | !tell ScottG about checkinstall |
| 19:06.45 | jordanm | isn't sure he trusts something like checkinstall |
| 19:06.53 | abrotman | as opposed to a make uninstall ? |
| 19:07.47 | ScottG | abrotman: Which would you recommend? |
| 19:07.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually, is there anything in debian which allows me to check if someone's using the same IP as I am? |
| 19:07.47 | abrotman | ping ? |
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| 19:07.55 | jordanm | arp -a? |
| 19:07.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | never worked for me... own machine is the only answer everytime I suspected someone's on |
| 19:08.18 | jordanm | you should see multiple arp entries for the same MAC if there is dup on the network |
| 19:08.25 | jordanm | err for the same IP I mean |
| 19:08.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | I mean ping never worked for me... trying arp |
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| 19:08.57 | Justin | jordanm: maybe. some devices only remember the most recent mac |
| 19:09.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | I guess I _should_ see (DUP) replies with ping, but it never happened |
| 19:09.16 | jordanm | hmm, so if you can do so in your switch, that would be ideal |
| 19:09.19 | ScottG | abrotman: checkinstall seems like it is more generic |
| 19:09.40 | Justin | CutMeOwnThroat: no, many devices do not respond to ping requests |
| 19:09.45 | abrotman | ScottG: than what? |
| 19:09.52 | ScottG | abrotman: stow |
| 19:09.59 | abrotman | whichever you want to use |
| 19:10.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | (browser just got 'connection reset' that might be the server or someone at the same ip) |
| 19:10.20 | ScottG | abrotman: Well yea I am just getting your opinion on which you might personally like |
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| 19:10.40 | abrotman | ScottG: or you can create your own package, which is really the most ideal if you understand how |
| 19:10.59 | jordanm | CutMeOwnThroat: fire up wireshark... look at the arp broadcasts. are there _tons_ of them? some other mac with your IP? |
| 19:11.05 | ScottG | abrotman: That is something that interests me but thats for another time. Heading out soon |
| 19:11.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | jordanm, arp just sees stuff routed to me, though - not sure what passive indication I'd get with modern switches |
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| 19:12.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | argh, have to go... jordanm, guess at some time I'll have to deliberably connect two machines with the same IP to find out what works and what doesn't :) (it's no good if you're not sure they're good indicators and the result isn't fixed either) |
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| 19:12.28 | jordanm | CutMeOwnThroat: modern managed switches keep a viewable address table that maps MACs to ports and an arp table that maps MACs to IPs. I maybe be speaking too broadly though as my experience is all on cisco and hp procurve equipment |
| 19:12.51 | jordanm | CutMeOwnThroat: right |
| 19:13.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's a black art to me :) |
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| 19:13.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, black definitely... art is probably an euphemism |
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| 19:21.58 | karlpinc | Why does shred suck system, as opposed to userspace, cpu? Is it generating random numbers and that's a kernel thing? |
| 19:22.08 | benutzer | hi, I can change options in different parts of systemsettings, but all options within login manager are gray, what can I do? |
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| 19:22.42 | karlpinc | benutzer: This is at the login screen, using gdm? |
| 19:22.47 | ScottG | jordanm: It looks like I should also have /usr/local/bin in my PATH with a high precedence than /usr/bin? |
| 19:23.04 | benutzer | karlpinc no, kde |
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| 19:23.54 | karlpinc | ScottG: I find that a sane setting. I don't know what the default/policy is, or what you're trying to do. |
| 19:24.36 | karlpinc | benutzer: Sorry, can't help. Sounds like one of those things where you need to enter the root password somewhere.... Out of curiosity, what version of debian? |
| 19:24.51 | benutzer | karlpinc squeeze |
| 19:24.56 | ScottG | karlpinc: I installed a package to /usr/local because its version was not in apt anywhere |
| 19:25.19 | karlpinc | benutzer: You could check the bug tracking system. |
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| 19:25.46 | karlpinc | ScottG: That's likely what you want then. Your app would have "priority" over something of the same name installed "regularly". |
| 19:26.12 | frikinz_ | Hi. Is there a way to use skype under debian? |
| 19:26.39 | stockholm | frikinz_: yes, its explained on the debian wiki |
| 19:26.43 | stockholm | wiki.debian.org |
| 19:27.01 | frikinz_ | yes, the first method fails and links to a developer.skype.com which.. is offline |
| 19:27.20 | stockholm | frikinz_: i used the wiki page just recently |
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| 19:27.33 | stockholm | frikinz_: it worked well for me |
| 19:27.39 | frikinz_ | ah ok, that's what I wanted to know if people actually managed and if it was recently. |
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| 19:27.49 | frikinz_ | So I'll try harder :) |
| 19:28.02 | korhojoa | hey, anyone know how i can stop tasksel without doing it violently? |
| 19:28.06 | frikinz_ | it just closes after my password has been validated |
| 19:28.15 | frikinz_ | thanks stockholm |
| 19:28.26 | korhojoa | i decided to use it to install some software, but apparently it isn't using the cd for it, but the internets and it's annoying |
| 19:29.00 | ScottG | karlpinc: Yea that is what I am getting at. I foresee a problem, though. I would need to have redefine the entire PATH in my .bashrc. Normally I add things to the end of the PATH, but for this I would have to be basically redefining it. If some system program needed to change my PATH for whatever reason I would think that this would mess that up |
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| 19:29.51 | ScottG | Is there a more formal way to define what PATH is set at by default? |
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| 19:30.12 | jhutchins_lt | PATH=/new/path,$PATH |
| 19:30.25 | karlpinc | ScottG: man login.defs |
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| 19:30.47 | sekh | hi |
| 19:31.16 | korhojoa | no? |
| 19:31.19 | ScottG | jhutchins_lt: Putting something before /bin isn't a good idea I thought. |
| 19:31.25 | korhojoa | i guess i'll just tell tasksel to die |
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| 19:31.56 | ScottG | korhojoa: Look up signals |
| 19:32.06 | ScottG | korhojoa: You can send difference signals to processes |
| 19:32.32 | korhojoa | ScottG: i know, that's what i'm going to do |
| 19:32.46 | korhojoa | i thought there was a nicer way, you know, ctrl+c or something |
| 19:32.46 | ir8 | Isssssue was resolved last night |
| 19:32.46 | karlpinc | ScottG: Without having 30 years of experience, my impressin is that traditionally you want /usr/local to have preference so your locally installed apps will have priority. I could be wrong and you want system apps first. You may find something in the debian policy manual. |
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| 19:33.03 | ScottG | as far as I know kill stops a process rather nicely. kill -9 is harsh. I just use that if it is really hung and I need to forcibly kill it |
| 19:33.58 | Xeli | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:34.17 | dondelelcaro | korhojoa: ^C just sends a SIGINT to the process |
| 19:34.31 | ScottG | karlpinc: It isn't a huge deal. I just like to learn the correct way if possible. It can be dangerous though. If something like test is overwritten your system can really mess up |
| 19:36.05 | karlpinc | ScottG: There's the Unix administration guide, now with a linux version, that's been around since the 70's. It probably has best practice. Your local library is your friend. |
| 19:36.48 | ScottG | karlpinc: No they aren't. They beat me up and picked on me in elementary school |
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| 19:37.15 | sepult | shit |
| 19:37.36 | frikinz_ | Xeli: your partition is mounted with nosuid? |
| 19:37.44 | sepult | i just get ATA resets with my current bigmem-686 debian on virtualbox |
| 19:38.00 | ScottG | karlpinc: Wow check this. This really throws me. ENV_PATH PATH=/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/games:/usr/games |
| 19:38.08 | frikinz_ | Xeli: and you should do the chmod +s before the chown |
| 19:38.15 | sepult | the xp cd won't even start after getting to formatting the drive... |
| 19:38.17 | karlpinc | frikinz_: Or he's testing for the real uid instead of the effective uid, or something like that. |
| 19:38.46 | ScottG | karlpinc: Look how far /bin is down the line. Not only does that not seem right but that isn't how my shell is set... |
| 19:38.47 | karlpinc | frikinz_: That shouldn't matter. Because the chown won't take anyway unless he's root. |
| 19:39.21 | frikinz_ | hum no the order is correct. the other way does not work for sec. reason. a +s that is chowned to root loose its +s |
| 19:39.22 | karlpinc | ScottG: There's also the files in /etc/skel, which you may have modified in your home directory. They can mess with things. |
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| 19:39.32 | frikinz_ | karlpinc: not on my debian |
| 19:39.50 | ihsw | hey i'm trying to install ImageMagick 6.5.5-10 but `apt-get install imagemagick=6.5.5-10` doesn't work |
| 19:39.54 | karlpinc | frikinz_: Ok. |
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| 19:41.08 | abrotman | ihsw: which verison of debian? |
| 19:41.46 | ihsw | abrotman: well, it's Ubuntu Server 10.04, but i thought the question was generic enough to for #debian |
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| 19:41.57 | karlpinc | !tell ihsw about ubuntu |
| 19:41.58 | abrotman | ihsw: please go ask #ubuntu |
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| 19:42.08 | ihsw | abrotman: sigh |
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| 19:42.12 | ScottG | karlpinc: Didn't see anything in there. I think I'm just gonna go ahead and add /usr/local/bin to the front |
| 19:42.21 | purpleoptic | apt-get install imagemagick? |
| 19:42.37 | purpleoptic | orrr apt-cache search packagename |
| 19:42.53 | abrotman | purpleoptic: he shuld go to #ubuntu |
| 19:42.57 | purpleoptic | well yeah |
| 19:42.58 | purpleoptic | sorry |
| 19:43.03 | purpleoptic | lurks |
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| 19:43.10 | frikinz_ | and it's not really generic |
| 19:43.57 | Justin | ScottG: /usr/local/bin is in the path by default |
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| 19:44.18 | ScottG | Justin: Doesn't seem like it |
| 19:44.51 | Justin | ScottG: it is. |
| 19:44.56 | ScottG | Justin: Well, it isn't above /usr/bin |
| 19:45.02 | Justin | ScottG: it is. |
| 19:45.07 | ScottG | Justin: Nope |
| 19:45.19 | Justin | ScottG: then undo whatever you did to make it not like that |
| 19:45.21 | ScottG | I am a very experienced admin that can echo $PATH |
| 19:45.29 | abrotman | woohoo |
| 19:45.37 | ScottG | Justin: All I did was edit PATH in my .bashrc |
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| 19:45.53 | Justin | the default path is fine |
| 19:45.57 | ScottG | Justin: And I never added anything before PATH. I always appended to it |
| 19:46.30 | ScottG | Justin: Here, right now I will comment out that PATH line in my bashrc and see what happens |
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| 19:47.19 | ScottG | ./bin:/usr/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin/X11 |
| 19:47.23 | ScottG | ignore the dot |
| 19:48.14 | Justin | ScottG: grep bin/X11 ~/.* |
| 19:49.27 | ScottG | Justin: Nothing but a hit from bash_history |
| 19:49.37 | benutzer | is it normal, that kde 4.4.4 isnt in squeeze yet? |
| 19:49.45 | Justin | ScottG: grep bin/X11 /etc/* ? |
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| 19:49.58 | Justin | I dunno what you did to get such a strange path, but that is certainly not the default |
| 19:50.09 | Justin | especially since /usr/bin/X11 is a symlink to /usr/bin |
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| 19:50.31 | ScottG | Justin: I looked at logins.defs and it does look like it is set correctly there but for some reason it isn't being set that way for me |
| 19:50.55 | ScottG | root's path seems alright |
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| 19:51.36 | ScottG | Justin: This /home is from a Gentoo install so that could have messed things up |
| 19:51.45 | Piratero | Just curious, but by default, shouldn't dircolors(5) look in /etc for DIR_COLORS and then in ~ for .dir_colors? |
| 19:51.47 | Justin | ScottG: that would explain it |
| 19:52.10 | Justin | ScottG: does your bashrc source more things in ~/ other than ~/.* ? |
| 19:52.18 | ScottG | Althought it really shouldn't have messed anything up and it would still be nice to know why thats happening |
| 19:52.35 | Justin | ScottG: grep more for bin/X11, whatever file has that in it is the one messing things up |
| 19:52.38 | ScottG | I should just grep PATH in ~ |
| 19:52.42 | Justin | or that |
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| 19:54.00 | frikinz_ | path should only be set in .profile, you don't want a new path at every subshell |
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| 19:58.44 | ScottG | .profile doesn't even seem to run |
| 19:59.02 | ScottG | or be sourced. Just .bashrc |
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| 19:59.19 | ScottG | Anyways I'm heading out |
| 19:59.23 | ScottG | Thanks for the help |
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| 20:00.54 | benutzer | is there a way to get firefox instead of iceweasel? |
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| 20:01.58 | Justin | benutzer: iceweasel is firefox |
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| 20:03.07 | benutzer | Justin I know, is there a repository that doesnt care about those lisence issues? |
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| 20:03.33 | Justin | benutzer: most people don't really care about the name |
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| 20:06.50 | Nirkus | hi! im trying to partition my disks on squeeze amd64 using parted and GPT labels. parted always warns about partitions not being aligned. is there a way to create aligned partition? |
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| 20:08.41 | benutzer | mhm, I think I just did something stupid. . . I removed kopete, akregator, dragonplayer and so on, and then did apt-get autoremove. . . now it is deleting stuff like: akonadi-server kdeplasme-addons ark . . . wtf? why is it doing this? |
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| 20:09.42 | themill | benutzer: it's doing precisely what you asked it to... you removed the kde meta-package and so now it's cleaning up for you. |
| 20:09.53 | PhorceP | I'm looking for more info on the issue described in bug 529719. I searched d-kernel but didn't see anything. |
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| 20:10.43 | smacnay | When a package does not fetch due to a hash sum mismatch, is there a way to correct this? |
| 20:11.02 | Justin | smacnay: try apt-get update |
| 20:11.13 | Justin | smacnay: try a different mirror if you are using a strange one |
| 20:11.20 | PhorceP | ok, n/m I see it is in bug 390616 |
| 20:11.27 | benutzer | themill so all these programs were installed with meta-package, not seperately, if they wouldnt have been, none would have been autoremoved? |
| 20:11.37 | abrotman | smacnay: aptitude clean && aptitude install foo |
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| 20:11.47 | abrotman | smacnay: and then try another mirror if it fails again |
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| 20:12.31 | ZeuZ | What filesystem would you recommend me to use for a server running MySQL? EXt4 is still with troubles regarding DB use? I've read some benchmarks where ReiserFS comes on top of JFS/XFS, What's your opinion? |
| 20:12.45 | abrotman | if you have to ask, ext3 |
| 20:13.03 | themill | benutzer: reasonably summary, yes. You probably just needed to mark manually installed kde-core or kdebase to keep them. And use aptitude as it will get you to agree to the actions and you should read over what it's planning to do. /msg dpkg unmarkauto ; /msg dpkg why aptitude |
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| 20:16.33 | lautriv | heyda ,TESTERS WANTED for a replacement-script of debians adduser with enhancements for LDAP, MIT-Kerberos and mass-handling |
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| 20:18.18 | dondelelcaro | lautriv: adduser has hooks and such which already handle this to some degree |
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| 20:18.39 | dondelelcaro | lautriv: see ldapscripts as well |
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| 20:20.22 | lautriv | dondelelcaro, those are not the same, handling ldap only |
| 20:21.27 | dondelelcaro | lautriv: sure, but they can be easily scripted to handle multiple users, and you can easily add routines to do whatever needs to be done for KERBEROS |
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| 20:22.16 | lautriv | dondelelcaro, did you ever try to sync several machines for clustering or get an user added by a package ? |
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| 20:23.40 | VectorX | i am trying to create a dir with rusian unicode chars, but i only see ????? how do i do this ? |
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| 20:26.32 | to9meg | i am a newbie and want to compress a 39MB file to 9MB. Is that possible? how? |
| 20:26.42 | \amethyst | to9meg: depends on what kind of file it is |
| 20:26.48 | to9meg | a pdf |
| 20:26.49 | dotblank | to9meg, depends on the file |
| 20:26.59 | to9meg | a single pdf |
| 20:27.07 | dotblank | depends on the pdf |
| 20:27.14 | \amethyst | to9meg: full of jpegs, or full of text? |
| 20:27.31 | to9meg | text and lots of jpegs |
| 20:27.39 | dondelelcaro | to9meg: if you have a 39MB pdf which has only a single letter in it, yes. Otherwise, probably not |
| 20:27.41 | dotblank | uncompressed jpegs? |
| 20:27.52 | dondelelcaro | to9meg: it depends on the entropy of the file |
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| 20:28.49 | to9meg | so shall split the 39 MB file into pieces? How? |
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| 20:29.03 | Justin | to9meg: convert foo.pdf foo.jpg |
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| 20:29.58 | peterS | to9meg: why don't you just try it? if bzip2 can only get it down to 18 MB, it's very unlikely any other general-purpose compressor can halve that |
| 20:29.58 | cahoot | pdftk? |
| 20:30.00 | to9meg | Justin: it would take ages to open that jpeg on a low spec machine |
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| 20:30.11 | Justin | to9meg: it will convert it to 1 jpeg per page |
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| 20:38.16 | funkyHat | Are device nodes set up with mknod persistent across reboots? |
| 20:38.33 | to9meg | so shall split the 39 MB file into 5x 8MB pieces? How? |
| 20:39.43 | dondelelcaro | to9meg: using split or similar will work |
| 20:39.52 | dondelelcaro | funkyHat: not necessarily |
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| 20:41.03 | funkyHat | dondelelcaro: I'm setting up a minimal chroot so they aren't in /dev if that makes any difference |
| 20:41.54 | funkyHat | I can quite happily make a script that creates them on boot if they won't persist |
| 20:42.42 | hackemate_ | does rhythmbox support iphone sync? |
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| 20:46.10 | themill | !automount |
| 20:46.10 | dpkg | If you're running one of the desktop environments in Debian, then ask me about <gnome-volume-manager>, <kde automount>, or <thunar-volman>. If you want something for the command line, then ask me about <halevt>, <ivman>, or <usb mount>. For a completely different approach to automounting, ask me about <autofs>. |
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| 20:58.19 | chachan | hi people, does anybody know a mirror to get squeeze netinst via FTP? |
| 20:58.33 | valdyn | chachan: whats wrong with http? |
| 20:58.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | !cd images |
| 20:58.47 | dpkg | There are a myriad different ways to install Debian. See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer for a list of images. Ask me about <install guide> and <d-i> for detailed instructions. (If you've never installed Debian before, you should read the install guide.) |
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| 20:58.53 | chachan | my network |
| 20:59.10 | valdyn | why would ftp work when http does not? |
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| 20:59.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | funny, though, they're really all http (at least the ones I checked) |
| 20:59.51 | chachan | proxy issues, I need FTP instead of HTTP |
| 21:00.01 | valdyn | many have both |
| 21:00.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | the !mirrors is only for repos, though and not for ce images, right? |
| 21:00.53 | valdyn | yea |
| 21:00.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | looks like |
| 21:01.03 | valdyn | chachan: why dont you use the lenny netinst? |
| 21:01.25 | chachan | but, I can't find squeeze in those mirrors |
| 21:01.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | his hobby is debugging - don't blame him for it |
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| 21:02.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh |
| 21:02.24 | valdyn | chachan: cdimage.debian.org has ftp access |
| 21:02.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually the 'other images' on that pages pointto http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/installer-i386/current/images/ for me |
| 21:02.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | wtf? I mean, I'm in the US, why would it point me to a mirror in the US? |
| 21:03.41 | chachan | valdyn, thanks! |
| 21:04.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | he can't search the net if he can't connect to http :-P |
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| 21:04.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | that must be one of the weirdest setups ever |
| 21:05.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | "you can do all kinds of weird shit on any port, but don't surf the WWW!!!" |
| 21:05.11 | Haraken | is linux-image-2.6.32-trunk-686 a snapshot image? |
| 21:05.11 | valdyn | Haraken: dont use that one |
| 21:05.11 | valdyn | !trunk |
| 21:05.11 | dpkg | [trunk] a term from version control systems such as <cvs>, <svn> and <git>. The "trunk" can often be thought of as a developer's playground, the stability (or otherwise) of the code varies from project to project. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trunk_(software) . Debian 2.6.32-trunk-* kernel image/headers packages are obsolete and were removed from the archive ; /msg judd kernel --release squeeze ; see Debian bug #568160 and <kernel abi>. |
| 21:05.12 | Haraken | thought so |
| 21:05.12 | Haraken | thanks |
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| 21:31.37 | becks` | hi, is there a way to see what files are currently being accessed? |
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| 21:32.23 | IRConan | anyone else had issues with epoll applications after a recent libc upgrade in squeeze? |
| 21:32.44 | lindi- | becks`: on nfs there is |
| 21:33.08 | becks` | thanks lindi-, but i think i'm using ext3 or the like :) |
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| 21:33.59 | iceroot | why is "username ALL = PASSWD: ALL" not asking for a password if using sudo? if i am correct that lines mean, username needs for ALL a PASSWD and can execute ALL |
| 21:34.24 | icebrain | becks`: man lsof |
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| 21:34.48 | becks` | thanks icebrain |
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| 21:37.55 | iceroot | is there a way to clear the "sudo cache"? if i am correct sudo is remebering the password for 5 minutes |
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| 21:39.06 | blac | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudoTimeout |
| 21:39.19 | blac | not so much clear but you can change the time |
| 21:40.02 | iceroot | blac: ah timeout=0 sounds good. thx |
| 21:40.08 | Tramp | iceroot: man sudo |
| 21:40.18 | iceroot | Tramp: no need rtfm |
| 21:42.01 | rdz | hi all. if two different packages provide both 'virtualpackage', does that mean, i can only install either or? |
| 21:42.04 | rdz | but not both? |
| 21:42.07 | iceroot | Tramp: but if you are so great telling me "man sudo" can you show me the part where "clear current saved passwords" is? could find it there |
| 21:42.17 | blac | i know you can enable/reneable accound via sudo, but i don't know if that would reset the timeout |
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| 21:42.58 | blac | rdz: typically one of the packages is a "transistion" package |
| 21:43.16 | blac | aptitude show [package] will give you the details |
| 21:43.16 | Tramp | iceroot: it does not save a password. It saves timestamps |
| 21:43.40 | rdz | blac, in this specific case, that is not the case.. it totally makes sense to install both. |
| 21:43.44 | iceroot | Tramp: so the diff to my current time? |
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| 21:44.15 | rdz | blac, yeah.. the details tell me, that packagaA and packageB both provide virtualpackage |
| 21:44.39 | blac | no version difference? or are they from different repos/sources? |
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| 21:45.05 | rdz | blac, my question is: if two separate packages provide the same virtual package, does that automatically mean i can only install either packageA or pacakgeB |
| 21:45.05 | rdz | ? |
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| 21:45.46 | rdz | blac, yeah, in this case.. but that doesn't matter.. i am trying to understand how virtual packages work |
| 21:45.46 | blac | no, but most cases i've seen they are the same package from different repos/sources, which will lead to broken |
| 21:46.02 | rdz | blac, in this case it is intended/wanted to install both |
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| 21:47.54 | rdz | blac, in this case it's not the twice the same package, but copmletely different packages providing both the same virtual package, so that libraries, which can be used by both, can made dependent on the virtualpackage |
| 21:48.27 | rdz | but from the apt logic it is completely ok to have two separate packages installed that provide the same virtualpackage? |
| 21:48.44 | blac | no it will get confused eventually I'm pretty sure |
| 21:48.49 | blac | if they are the exact same name |
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| 21:49.10 | rdz | blac, the packages are _not_ the same name.. only of the virtualpackage |
| 21:49.17 | [Jasper] | hej guys, which package to aptitud intsall to get perl snmp options? |
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| 21:49.44 | blac | rdz, so if you install wine |
| 21:49.44 | rdz | i.e. the package name that appears in the 'Provides:' field is the same in both |
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| 21:50.00 | blac | if you look at the details it actually will point to wine1.2 for say |
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| 21:50.20 | rdz | blac, they are not pointing anywhere in this case |
| 21:50.29 | rdz | blac, that is totally not the point |
| 21:50.45 | blac | the provides field is not the package name or relative to anything |
| 21:50.50 | blac | its just a descriptoin |
| 21:50.55 | blac | *description |
| 21:51.24 | rdz | blac, yeah.. but this isthe only field that is the same in both pacakges. so should i expect apt to see conflicts here in such a situation? |
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| 21:52.42 | blac | no that is just meta data relavent to dpkg only |
| 21:52.53 | rdz | blac, ok. thanks |
| 21:52.59 | rdz | blac, will dpkg see a problem then? |
| 21:53.02 | [Jasper] | anyone here who can tell me |
| 21:53.08 | [Jasper] | which package to aptitud intsall to get perl snmp options? |
| 21:53.20 | blac | no not likely |
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| 21:53.41 | rdz | blac, ok thanks |
| 21:53.56 | blac | it normally will figure out the best course of action if there are duplicate files |
| 21:54.05 | blac | thats part of the package development process |
| 21:54.12 | blac | Jasper, perl snmp options? |
| 21:54.18 | blac | like the MIBs |
| 21:54.30 | blac | perl CPANs for SNMP? |
| 21:55.36 | [Jasper] | yes |
| 21:55.41 | [Jasper] | SNMP::utils |
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| 21:56.14 | [Jasper] | any idea blac? |
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| 21:56.43 | blac | ah couldn't tell you on the CPANs, there is ther SNMP Library for perl 5 - libsnmp-perl i think |
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| 21:56.52 | rdz | blac, probably i should eplain myself better. there is a package which provides some audio software, that makes use of certain libraries. now there is another flavor of that software which uses the exact same libraries.. the goal is to create a package of the latter so that, someone can decide to install which flavour of that software. in order to maintain the libraries only once, they depend on the virtual package. since the new flavour of that software doesn't s |
| 21:56.52 | rdz | hare any files at all with the old flavours, there shouldn't be any conflicting files |
| 21:57.27 | [Jasper] | that one is installed blac |
| 21:57.30 | [Jasper] | didn't work |
| 21:57.30 | rdz | but the whole exercise only makes sense, if it is possible to have both flavours at the same time installed. that is why i was asking |
| 21:57.39 | [Jasper] | Can't locate SNMP/Util.pm in @INC |
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| 21:58.44 | [Jasper] | :/ |
| 21:59.23 | blac | jasper you definitly need to instal the CPAN SNMP::Util it sounds, but i'm no good on cpan, cpansearch.perl.org might be of some help |
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| 21:59.42 | blac | rdz i think i understand you |
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| 22:00.02 | blac | so you are basically just using say the same codecs, but both say rhythmbox and mplayer should be options |
| 22:00.25 | rdz | blac, exactly |
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| 22:03.51 | blac | so in this sense you could install the codecs, they will in stall in one location (say like /usr/share/lib/codecs) and then install rhythmbox /usr/share/rhythmbox) |
| 22:04.12 | blac | then install mplayer (/usr/share/mplayer) |
| 22:04.22 | rdz | blac, yeah. that was the idea |
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| 22:04.50 | blac | in this scneario they will both use the codecs, but by package design the will keep unique files to them selves.. but any libraries wil be available for use to them |
| 22:05.04 | blac | there wouldn't be any conflict |
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| 22:06.48 | abou_7anash_009 | hi if I have a html form and action points to https on another server, will the post data get encrypted before transmittion ? |
| 22:07.14 | blac | does that help? |
| 22:08.54 | icebrain | abou_7anash_009: not really about Debian, but yes |
| 22:09.56 | abou_7anash_009 | icebrain: sorry for asking offtopic..but thanks |
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| 22:11.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually, as we're already on this side-note |
| 22:13.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | "Although this page is encrypted, the information you have entered is to be sent over an unencrypted connection and could easily be read by a third party" |
| 22:14.26 | icebrain | CutMeOwnThroat: that's the inverse situation XD |
| 22:14.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, I dunno - the only thing I entered there was a password |
| 22:14.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | I wonder if someone fucked up royally |
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| 22:14.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | let me sniff that |
| 22:15.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | heh, getting the irc stuff |
| 22:15.48 | icebrain | lol, limit to 80 |
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| 22:16.21 | icebrain | *limit -> filter |
| 22:16.31 | leafwiz | I am having some connectivity issues. The arp table is not populated even if the arp request are successfully transferred on the wire |
| 22:16.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes.. I thought I'd just grep, actually :) |
| 22:16.35 | leafwiz | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:16.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | but it was only 5 connections |
| 22:16.56 | leafwiz | Details : http://pastebin.com/7csXYCcG |
| 22:17.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, no... the pwd is not in there |
| 22:17.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | I wonder _what_ is transmitted there |
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| 22:18.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's definitely annoying - this is not a message you want to routinely suppress |
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| 22:19.28 | themill | dpkg: tell matland about root |
| 22:20.02 | blac | leaf, you try arpping |
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| 22:20.52 | blac | from the netscantools... seeems it might help bring out some of the problem traffic |
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| 22:23.42 | blac | leaf, also your broadcast address seems a bit odd, think it would need to be 10.10.0.255 |
| 22:24.18 | leafwiz | blac, yes arping gives replies |
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| 22:25.05 | blac | this is me theorizing but if you are intending on a class B net then the arp ping won't be significant. |
| 22:25.32 | blac | each switch would be the end of ARP traffic |
| 22:25.38 | dergringo | What is the recommended location in the filesystem for a mysql dump script (bash)? |
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| 22:25.41 | blac | so then you would have to rely on ICMP |
| 22:26.04 | blac | or set up some ARP forwarding via a "Helper" or Forwarder |
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| 22:26.49 | blac | this helps minimize broadcast traffic |
| 22:27.14 | blac | so protocols such as DHCP can provide across broadcasts domains |
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| 22:29.41 | leafwiz | blac, I changed the subnet mask on both of the int (tap0, and fa0/0). Same result. arping works: arping 10.10.0.2. Regular ping dosen't |
| 22:29.42 | matland | happy now? |
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| 22:30.10 | themill | matland: much smarter, yes. And as a bonus, you can even talk in the channel. |
| 22:30.16 | matland | hm yes |
| 22:30.28 | matland | now ehm, a question |
| 22:30.40 | blac | interesting |
| 22:31.00 | matland | i seem unable to find docs about re-running debian-installer on a debian installation |
| 22:31.04 | blac | now fa0/0 is an interface using tap0 as a gateway? |
| 22:31.15 | matland | i've apt-getted it, but it seems to be nowhere |
| 22:31.34 | matland | i only find docs about it, that don't really tell me a lot |
| 22:31.55 | themill | matland: what are you *really* trying to do |
| 22:32.14 | matland | installing debian from a live system, to another disk |
| 22:33.12 | lindi- | matland: debian does not have such an ubuntu style installer yet |
| 22:33.12 | lindi- | matland: it's being worked on |
| 22:33.12 | matland | debian has an installer... |
| 22:33.12 | matland | can't i just run it? |
| 22:33.12 | lindi- | matland: no |
| 22:33.12 | matland | why not? is it need da special installer kernel? |
| 22:33.26 | leafwiz | blac, fa0/0 is directly connected. They are on the same subnet. So yes, fa0/0 used tap0 as gw. |
| 22:33.33 | lindi- | matland: that and initramfs too |
| 22:33.52 | lindi- | matland: it's simply not designed to run as a standalone app, it's optimized to fit to a floppy |
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| 22:34.13 | alexhq | is lenny netinst.iso for amd64 broken? Can't boot |
| 22:34.23 | matland | hmm i see |
| 22:34.26 | lindi- | matland: many debian livecds have the installer kernel as a boot option |
| 22:34.35 | lindi- | matland: you can boot that |
| 22:34.50 | matland | ah hmm mighta looked over it |
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| 22:34.55 | matland | letme check that |
| 22:35.04 | leafwiz | blac, I have had this problem before only connection to an external host from my pc. So mylaptop:eth0 -> google had the same problem as mylaptop:tap0 -> gns3-router:fa0/0 |
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| 22:35.46 | leafwiz | blac, but then I reinstalled the whole system. Just to get a new kernel, a fresh start. But there still seams to be some bugs left... |
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| 22:37.47 | piklu | I modified /etc/fstab to become 755 |
| 22:37.47 | poisonbit | what could be a reasonable whay to know from a shell script, if a user has sid deb-src lines in sources.list OR sources.list.d/* ? |
| 22:37.52 | piklu | will it create problem ? |
| 22:38.20 | lindi- | poisonbit: what's the real problem you are trying to solve? |
| 22:38.38 | poisonbit | lindi-, automating a backport build in a generic way |
| 22:39.02 | lindi- | poisonbit: aren't packages built with pbuilder? |
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| 22:39.36 | blac | leaf, you have no problem going in the reverse path |
| 22:39.41 | poisonbit | lindi-, oficial packages maybe, I don't know :) |
| 22:39.44 | lindi- | poisonbit: "pbuilder stands for Personal Builder, and it is an automatic Debian Package Building system for personal development workstation environments. pbuilder aims to be an easy-to-setup system for auto-building Debian packages inside a clean-room environment, so that it is possible to verify that a package can be built on most Debian installations." |
| 22:39.49 | poisonbit | lindi-, my home backports aren't |
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| 22:40.07 | themill | poisonbit: "apt-cache showsrc foo" |
| 22:40.16 | lindi- | poisonbit: the automation has already been done. i don't see much point in trying to rewrite it |
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| 22:40.31 | lindi- | poisonbit: something like cowbuilder is very easy to use |
| 22:40.44 | poisonbit | lindi-, is that the tool that makes a chroot before building the package ? |
| 22:40.50 | piklu | Modifying /etc/fstab to 755 would create problem ?? |
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| 22:41.22 | lindi- | piklu: why are you doing that? |
| 22:41.32 | piklu | lindi, accidently did that |
| 22:41.37 | poisonbit | piklu, if you exec it and the first line is #!/usr/bin/java... God will kill a little cat |
| 22:41.40 | piklu | what are the default permission |
| 22:42.22 | lindi- | piklu: you only need to create the chroot once |
| 22:42.27 | lindi- | sorry meant poisonbit |
| 22:42.32 | lindi- | piklu: well revert it |
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| 22:42.44 | piklu | lindi, dnt know what it has been |
| 22:42.56 | lindi- | piklu: u=rw,g=r,o=r |
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| 22:46.53 | lenswipe | hey guys |
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| 22:47.50 | poisonbit | lindi-, http://www.netfort.gr.jp/~dancer/software/pbuilder-doc/pbuilder-doc.html#backporting |
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| 22:48.37 | poisonbit | It does not solve the problems I was thinking about (i.e. dep. install) |
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| 22:49.03 | piklu | lindi-: -rw-r--r-- |
| 22:49.06 | piklu | is that okay ? |
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| 22:50.36 | poisonbit | piklu, okay depends, but it is the default ;) |
| 22:50.46 | themill | poisonbit: in what way? |
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| 22:52.05 | poisonbit | themill, mmmm i.e. people don't wanting to plain users beable to read coments in the file <paranoic off> |
| 22:52.34 | themill | I mean in relation to pbuilder |
| 22:52.46 | piklu | guys, i want to find whether a hard disk in debian is being used for software raid or not |
| 22:52.48 | piklu | how shall i? |
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| 22:53.04 | lenswipe | im setting a samba server up and when i type net getlocalsid i get the error fetch_ldap_pw: neither ldap secret retrieved! |
| 22:53.04 | lenswipe | [2010/06/08 23:51:57, 0] lib/smbldap.c:smbldap_connect_system(952) |
| 22:53.05 | lenswipe | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:53.09 | lenswipe | can someone help? |
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| 22:54.24 | lenswipe | anyone? |
| 22:54.33 | poisonbit | themill, I was thinking a bash function like backport_debian_package(), lindi- told me about pbuilder, but pbuilder doc at least does not solve automation of _backport_ as seen in a link up |
| 22:54.54 | themill | poisonbit: in what way doesn't it automate the backport? |
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| 22:55.16 | themill | uses a cowbuilder to do automated backports of packages |
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| 22:55.41 | poisonbit | http://www.netfort.gr.jp/~dancer/software/pbuilder-doc/pbuilder-doc.html#backporting |
| 22:55.54 | themill | yes, I know the docs well. That doesn't answer my question. |
| 22:56.16 | poisonbit | I don't say nothing but what I read, now i'm going to read about cowbuilder |
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| 22:56.25 | poisonbit | i'm a bit slooowwww |
| 22:56.29 | themill | poisonbit: cowbuilder is only a wrapper around pbuilder. |
| 22:56.45 | lenswipe | anyone? |
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| 22:56.57 | lindi- | poisonbit: well something dangerous like that you definitely want to do in a chroot |
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| 22:57.36 | poisonbit | mmm good point lindi- build-Deps will be dirty |
| 22:57.57 | pikaro | hi :) quick question: how do i find out which server in my sources.list a specific packet stems from? i seem to have an erroneous entry in there that makes binaries lose their permissions after installing. |
| 22:58.04 | lindi- | poisonbit: well you need to backport the build dependencies too of course |
| 22:58.15 | eli_ | rc: what does the c stands for? as far as I know the r stands for run or runlevel |
| 22:58.22 | lindi- | poisonbit: but that shouldn't be too hard |
| 22:58.35 | lindi- | poisonbit: however, something like that isn't going to produce very good packages |
| 22:58.49 | themill | pikaro: there's no way in general. But see the output of "apt-cache policy packagename" to see where the package may have come from. |
| 22:59.00 | themill | eli_: what context? |
| 22:59.32 | poisonbit | mmm debian reference should be updated to point to pbuilder/cowbuilder in the backport a package to stable chapter |
| 22:59.49 | pikaro | themill: 500 http://ftp.us.debian.org sid/main Packages - wow O.o must be something else going on there |
| 22:59.54 | eli_ | /etc/rc2.d for example |
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| 23:00.26 | poisonbit | I was about some years using the method documented here without problems but dirt my system with build deps |
| 23:00.46 | eli_ | r = runlevel or run: c=dont know: 2=the second runlevel d=deamon |
| 23:00.59 | themill | poisonbit: a chroot is nice but not essential. I like it because things clean up after themselves more easily. |
| 23:00.59 | lindi- | poisonbit: chroot will keeep your system free of them |
| 23:01.03 | eli_ | so wonder what c would stand for |
| 23:01.53 | poisonbit | wasting a bit more of disk space |
| 23:02.05 | poisonbit | but that's cheap |
| 23:02.21 | poisonbit | and we all like clean systems |
| 23:02.25 | poisonbit | :P |
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| 23:03.32 | poisonbit | etckeeper will get 0.47 in squeeze ? |
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| 23:05.32 | poisonbit | see the user commiting with sudo ++ |
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| 23:09.38 | piklu | hello guys |
| 23:09.45 | piklu | how to know if 2 disk are using RAID ? |
| 23:09.52 | piklu | software raid in debian |
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| 23:11.04 | poisonbit | cat /proc/mdstat |
| 23:11.33 | poisonbit | or at partition level, fdisk -l should list the type of each partition |
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| 23:12.33 | Agiofws | http://www.pasteall.org/pic/show.php?id=3851 |
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| 23:13.13 | eli_ | /etc/rc2.d can somebody tell what the c abbreviation could stand for or should I go to bed right now |
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| 23:13.34 | prince_jammys | cetera |
| 23:14.00 | pikaro | about the above problem with permissions being lost after installing a packet - i pastebinned an illustration of the process here < http://pastebin.com/XZAX3HNE >, maybe someone can help |
| 23:15.20 | themill | eli_: "run commands" or "runcom" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Run_Commands |
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| 23:16.37 | eli_ | ohh thanks 10x for the answer themill! |
| 23:17.11 | prince_jammys | bah, no fun |
| 23:17.15 | themill | wonders who's homework he just did |
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| 23:17.39 | lenswipe | hey guys |
| 23:17.40 | blac | its all in the team effer themill |
| 23:17.48 | lenswipe | im having issues with debian creating an ldap domain controller |
| 23:18.40 | lenswipe | if i try and populate the directory with info i get this: adding new entry: cn=Domain Computers,ou=Groups,dc=HOME |
| 23:18.40 | lenswipe | failed to add entry: modifications require authentication at /usr/sbin/smbldap-populate line 499, <GEN1> line 128. |
| 23:18.44 | lenswipe | can someone help? please? |
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| 23:21.51 | leafwiz | lenswipe, maybe someone can help you in #ldap ? |
| 23:21.57 | lenswipe | hmm maybe |
| 23:22.17 | bleepbloop | do I need a bootloader if I'm not going to dual boot my machine? |
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| 23:22.33 | lenswipe | bleepbloop, yes |
| 23:23.04 | bleepbloop | hmm, is that debian specific or just in general true? |
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| 23:24.04 | pikaro | bleepbloop, you could use alternating boot media |
| 23:24.04 | bleepbloop | because I'm trying to install freebsd on my imac via this 'guide' http://forums.freebsd.org/showthread.php?t=7845&highlight=installation+imac |
| 23:24.13 | pikaro | oherwise it's true, i think |
| 23:24.20 | bleepbloop | I'm asking in here because the freebsd help room is quiet :0P |
| 23:24.26 | bleepbloop | :-P* |
| 23:24.51 | abrotman | bleepbloop: this channel isn't remotely related to freebsd |
| 23:25.00 | abrotman | go ask #freebsd or ##freebsd, whichever it is now |
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| 23:25.10 | bleepbloop | I know that |
| 23:25.23 | bleepbloop | but they're not as full as this room lol |
| 23:25.29 | bleepbloop | sorry I'll go ask there |
| 23:25.31 | abrotman | that does NOT make it okay to ask here |
| 23:25.42 | lenswipe | leafwiz, yeah #ldap is dead |
| 23:25.44 | lenswipe | completely |
| 23:25.54 | lenswipe | ffs whats the point of them having an IRC channel if its always dead |
| 23:26.03 | abrotman | lenswipe: isn't it #openldap now ? |
| 23:26.04 | bleepbloop | hmm |
| 23:26.14 | bleepbloop | it told me that #freebsd is invite only |
| 23:26.18 | abrotman | oh, #ldap and #openldap |
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| 23:26.36 | abrotman | bleepbloop: do you you have a Debian related question ? |
| 23:26.37 | lenswipe | abrotman, yeah thats also dead |
| 23:27.04 | bleepbloop | I'm just trying to figure out how to get to the other chat room so I can stop being off topic in here |
| 23:27.07 | bleepbloop | my bad |
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| 23:27.22 | abrotman | bleepbloop: then try ##freebsd .. i have no idea what it is now |
| 23:27.23 | AimHere | Well you tried #freebsd, did you try ##freebsd? |
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| 23:27.34 | humpty | Hi, how can I install real Bourne Shell? |
| 23:27.43 | abrotman | instead of bash ? |
| 23:27.58 | humpty | no, to have both |
| 23:28.10 | AimHere | Is real bourne shell dfsg-compliant? |
| 23:29.13 | humpty | AimHere: how do I know? |
| 23:29.31 | AimHere | I was asking the room in general in case anyone knew |
| 23:29.34 | humpty | this reminds me having read smth about it |
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| 23:31.08 | AimHere | Wikipedia tells me that the Bourne Shell had copyright issues, and that it was cloned by the almquist shell, which is likely ported to Debian and installed on your system as dash |
| 23:31.17 | AimHere | Also that might be the default shell for root users |
| 23:33.35 | humpty | apt-cache search almquist returns dash, that is imho lesser than sh |
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| 23:33.54 | pARAd0X85 | hi |
| 23:33.59 | pARAd0X85 | who can advise me a book speaking about daemon programming for recent linux ? |
| 23:34.35 | abrotman | google? amazon? |
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| 23:34.54 | AimHere | Well I imagined dash is bourne-compliant and will probably complain in much the same way that the Bourne shell will when you feed it bash-isms |
| 23:35.13 | pARAd0X85 | abrotman: what I need is that subject, but I can't know a name of a full book speaking also about other things |
| 23:35.15 | abrotman | dash is POSIX compliant .. bashisms be damned |
| 23:35.15 | AimHere | If you want Bourne Shell for some nostalgic or other reason, you could try porting it yourself |
| 23:35.25 | abrotman | pARAd0X85: in what language? |
| 23:35.30 | humpty | pARAd0X85: your question rather be on #linux |
| 23:35.31 | pARAd0X85 | english |
| 23:35.38 | abrotman | pARAd0X85: which programming language? |
| 23:35.40 | pARAd0X85 | c / c++ |
| 23:35.45 | abrotman | so ask ##c or ##linux |
| 23:35.55 | pARAd0X85 | ??? |
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| 23:36.06 | abrotman | so ask ##c or ##linux |
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| 23:36.42 | pARAd0X85 | one wants me to go to #linux the other to ##c someone other wants me go to the hell ? |
| 23:37.10 | AimHere | You're not asking a debian question, so you should go to one of those other rooms that are relevant |
| 23:37.11 | pARAd0X85 | what's the relation between c and creating daemons ?? |
| 23:37.20 | humpty | AimHere: dash complains on more things than sh (I guess, I don't have much ways to tell until I have sh) ;) |
| 23:37.53 | humpty | still #hell is not proper |
| 23:37.56 | AimHere | If you manage to run sh, I imagine it would complain on a lot of things you didn't expect |
| 23:37.58 | pARAd0X85 | Ok, who knows a book about creating daemons on Debian ? |
| 23:38.02 | abrotman | pARAd0X85: you asked for a book in english about writing daemons in linux in C/C++ .. ask ##c or ##linux |
| 23:38.42 | pARAd0X85 | you are really boring and not so helpful, I'll go now |
| 23:38.47 | abrotman | thanks! |
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| 23:39.05 | AimHere | I thought we were helpful enough |
| 23:39.18 | prince_jammys | yeah, but no fun |
| 23:43.11 | djura-san | im off. have a nice chat and a nice day |
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| 23:44.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | all work an no play, makes bob a dull boy... |
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| 23:44.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually there was supposed to be the word 'fun' in that sentence :( |
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| 23:48.06 | beardy | Let's have fun. |
| 23:48.10 | jordanm | ScottG: yes, and that should be the default |
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| 23:55.36 | Edgan | How do I disable aptitude's auto-remove feature? |
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| 23:57.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | throws confetti all over beardy |
| 23:57.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | !autoremove |
| 23:57.39 | dpkg | well, autoremove is used to remove packages that were automatically installed to satisfy dependencies for some package and that are no more needed. Aptitude will try to automatically remove packages that it thinks are no longer needed and from lenny onwards, so will apt-get and synaptic. If you remove a package that also causes a large metapackage like gnome to be autoremoved then this will cause you problems. Ask me about <unmarkauto>. |
| 23:58.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | err edgan, /msg dpkg unmarkauto â I don't know of any option to disable it in aptitude, although apt-get doesn't uninstall them in normal use |
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| 23:59.32 | Edgan | CutMeOwnThroat: I think I just found it. Going to give it a try. There apparently is a gui option, which I might be able to backtrack |
| 23:59.42 | humpty | grr, 'been splitted, anything i missed since: 'still #hell is not proper'? |
| 23:59.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | what gui? |
