| 00:00.12 | zcat[1] | isn't there some apt/dpkg command which says what package a file was installed by? then you could just reinstall the package |
| 00:00.41 | jelly-home | zcat[1]: dpkg -S /path/to/file |
| 00:00.56 | jelly-home | zcat[1]: dlocate -S, if you have it installed, is much faster |
| 00:01.19 | zcat[1] | zcat@mandela:~$ dpkg -S /etc/init.d/bootlogd |
| 00:01.19 | zcat[1] | initscripts: /etc/init.d/bootlogd |
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| 00:01.34 | zcat[1] | oOarthurOo: apt-get install --reinstall initscripts |
| 00:01.46 | zcat[1] | should solve the problem |
| 00:01.46 | oOarthurOo | abrotman: I think this is what you were asking for http://paste.debian.net/76946/ |
| 00:02.38 | oOarthurOo | zcat[1]: No. Tried that one. Also tried \amethyst's version which involved passing arguments to dpkg to ignore missing confiles... still no joy |
| 00:02.40 | jelly-home | zcat[1]: you forgot the /msg dpkg confmiss bit. And I think they already tried all that |
| 00:02.42 | abrotman | extents .. for mapping on disk ? |
| 00:02.48 | isfranc | oOarthurOo: yes, 6 update-rc.d: error: unable to read /etc/init.d/bootlogs no bootlogd, i not use bootlogd but i haven t bootlogs |
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| 00:04.27 | isfranc | oOarthurOo: but exist a /etc/default/bootlogd |
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| 00:05.11 | oOarthurOo | isfranc: ahh.. ok... I will try touch /etc/init.d/bootlogs then, add some lsb info and update-rc.d to see if I can coax it along further. |
| 00:05.50 | isfranc | oOarthurOo: have you change the /etc/default/bootlogd, it s for run bootlogd i think |
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| 00:07.51 | isfranc | 01:16 < \amethyst> oOarthurOo: you have a different error related to a missing /etc/init.d/bootlogs (note the s, not the d) |
| 00:09.21 | isfranc | oOarthurOo: it s a package bug ? the s |
| 00:09.27 | oOarthurOo | isfranc: Yes, but I created bootlogs and it just gives more problems: see here http://paste.debian.net/76947/ I can't tell if I'm making progress or not. |
| 00:10.20 | oOarthurOo | isfranc: I dont' think so. I think that file existed. But silly me, I said to myself, why keep files on my system that are disabled? So I rm'd them. Now I am learning why to leave disabled cruft lying around in important directories I guess |
| 00:10.42 | isfranc | oOarthurOo: you have make change in /etc/init.d/bootlogd and not in /etc/default/bootlogd ? |
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| 00:12.38 | oOarthurOo | isfranc: /etc/default/bootlogd was enabled = no. So I did update-rc.d bootlogd remove , then did insserv, then did rm bootlogd. Now I am in a world of hurt. |
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| 00:14.00 | isfranc | oOarthurOo: you want a pastebin of /etc/init.d/bootlogd ? |
| 00:14.47 | oOarthurOo | isfranc already have |
| 00:16.24 | isfranc | why you have /etc/default/bootlogd was enabled = no ? |
| 00:17.22 | oOarthurOo | Well, now I've done it. I did dpkg --force-all -r initscripts which finally got rid of it. Then aptitude update && aptitude full upgrade, but got the exact some config file error, leaving initscripts unconfigured |
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| 00:19.26 | isfranc | oOarthurOo: you use squeeze |
| 00:19.58 | oOarthurOo | isfranc: yup |
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| 00:22.15 | rene- | hello guys, is there a way to perform the installation of a package via apt-get while explicitly telling the system to ignore an specific recomended package? |
| 00:23.05 | dondelelcaro | rene-: if you're using aptitude, sure. |
| 00:23.17 | isfranc | oOarthurOo: i see exit S99stop-bootlogd in rcx.d |
| 00:23.23 | rene- | i am thinking into something i can put in a script |
| 00:23.41 | rene- | dondelcaro: woult that work? |
| 00:23.45 | dondelelcaro | rene-: sure |
| 00:23.49 | rene- | great |
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| 00:25.45 | oOarthurOo | isfranc: I am not that good with init scripts. I can disable them, change lsb info for dependency based booting, but that's about it. I don't really understand the init system. However, I did "mv /etc/init.d /etc/init.old" and got a new error. So I really *think* that if I can restore the bootlogd and bootlogs files, and sometime use update-rc.d to inform insserv about them properly it will work. Alas, I don't understand how insserv gets the info about r |
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| 00:27.53 | isfranc | oOarthurOo: i haven t bootlogs file in my system |
| 00:30.21 | isfranc | oOarthurOo: yes, i see in vm squeeze exist a /etc/init.d/bootlogs |
| 00:30.58 | oOarthurOo | can you post contents of that file? |
| 00:31.14 | oOarthurOo | I have fixed the bootlogd error |
| 00:31.18 | oOarthurOo | now just bootlogs remains |
| 00:31.29 | isfranc | yes i go for this, wait 1 mn |
| 00:32.08 | oOarthurOo | sacrifices a free Ubuntu disc on the alter of the angry Debian gods and prays for mercy |
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| 00:35.08 | isfranc | oOarthurOo: http://paste.debian.net/76949/ |
| 00:36.54 | isfranc | oOarthurOo: i have forget a ":" at the end of file |
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| 00:38.24 | oOarthurOo | I see it. Thanks.. will let you in know in one sec what happens |
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| 00:40.09 | chut | hi people, how come i can't run this command: pkill rox && rox-filer |
| 00:40.21 | chut | i want to pkill rox and open rox |
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| 00:40.55 | abrotman | is there an error ? |
| 00:40.59 | chut | nope |
| 00:41.03 | chut | it doesn't open rox-filer |
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| 00:41.11 | abrotman | what if you use ; instead of && ? |
| 00:42.07 | chut | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:42.08 | chut | Terminated |
| 00:42.18 | chut | this is my bash script |
| 00:42.20 | chut | #!/bin/bash |
| 00:42.20 | chut | pkill rox ; rox-filer |
| 00:43.19 | dvs | chut: you need the full path of pkill and rox-filer ? |
| 00:44.21 | chut | same dvs |
| 00:44.38 | olorin_ | Let it sleep for some seconds before starting rox-filer. |
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| 00:45.42 | chut | same |
| 00:46.33 | r0nin | is it really needed to have all these users, games, www-data. sys, daemon, sync, man, lp, etc, etc |
| 00:46.47 | oOarthurOo | isfranc: 2nd problem down. May I ask you to also provide /etc/init.d/stop-bootlogd-single ? |
| 00:47.13 | oOarthurOo | This is the last script I deleted, so I think once I restore it then I should be ok. I hope anyway. |
| 00:47.29 | isfranc | chut: pkill -HUP rox-filer, is not good ? |
| 00:48.03 | isfranc | oOarthurOo: ok |
| 00:48.34 | chut | isfranc, i want to open rox-filer after i killed it |
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| 00:50.42 | olorin_ | clears his mind, and goes to sleep. |
| 00:50.54 | isfranc | oOarthurOo: http://paste.debian.net/76953/ |
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| 00:52.08 | hahas | anybody have ath5k work well on squeeze? |
| 00:52.24 | isfranc | chut: have you log, in message or syslog ? |
| 00:52.34 | fanderal | Can live-helper create an iso of my installed OS, or is there another app for that? |
| 00:53.21 | karsten | would like to be able to do that (olorin_) |
| 00:53.44 | oOarthurOo | isfranc: thx... now it say "unable to find stop-bootlogd" ... ah...est-ce-que je peux demande une autre de vous, and je vous remerci tres bien? |
| 00:54.03 | isfranc | oOarthurOo: ok |
| 00:54.37 | nsadmin | hahas: if you really want to know if someone is having problems, see the bts... if you have some issue, describe your specific issue (things to feed to "/msg dpkg": ask, anyone, bts, sicco, polls) |
| 00:54.47 | chut | thanks guys! it worked :) |
| 00:55.05 | isfranc | oOarthurOo: http://paste.debian.net/76954/ |
| 00:56.15 | hahas | my box keeps get message:no probe response from ap within 500ms,disconnecting..what's wrong with squeeze? |
| 00:56.57 | oOarthurOo | isfranc: if you are ever in winnipeg, canada, let me know. I will buy you a beer. |
| 00:56.59 | oOarthurOo | it worked! |
| 00:57.29 | isfranc | oOarthurOo: yes, you are lucky this night |
| 00:57.44 | isfranc | now, stop rm :p |
| 00:58.44 | oOarthurOo | heh... well... I must reboot first and see if the initscripts work. If I do not come back... thanks anyway for all your help |
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| 01:02.30 | oOarthurOo | Well, rebooting worked. Though I got a new message I've never seen before, at boot time, before rc.local a message echoed saying "scripts in rc2.d took 3 seconds" |
| 01:03.41 | oOarthurOo | I can troubleshoot that one on my own though. Thanks everyone, \amethyst, craigevil and especially isfranc |
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| 01:08.46 | isfranc | bye |
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| 01:09.06 | mayanks43 | hi there |
| 01:09.14 | mayanks43 | i wanted to run debian on vmware |
| 01:09.22 | nsadmin | ok |
| 01:09.27 | mayanks43 | i m using debian live cd |
| 01:09.31 | mayanks43 | is it possible |
| 01:09.37 | mayanks43 | i m getting error |
| 01:09.54 | nsadmin | so I don't know much about vmware |
| 01:10.00 | mayanks43 | kernel panic not syncing : VFS: Unable to mount root fs on Unknown-block |
| 01:10.02 | nsadmin | but |
| 01:10.22 | abrotman | the livecd doesn't install |
| 01:10.37 | nsadmin | I know a coupla things about linux and debian |
| 01:11.10 | mayanks43 | which do i use then? |
| 01:11.16 | mayanks43 | *iso |
| 01:11.22 | nsadmin | to install? you have a lot of choices |
| 01:11.40 | nsadmin | would you like to install into so-far unpartitioned space? |
| 01:11.51 | mayanks43 | yup |
| 01:11.57 | mayanks43 | new virtual machine |
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| 01:12.23 | nsadmin | ok, can the virtual machine boot a cd or an image? |
| 01:12.32 | mayanks43 | it can boot both |
| 01:13.26 | mayanks43 | a lot of cds i saw where numbered 1,2 ,3,... |
| 01:13.32 | mayanks43 | do i have to dl all for install |
| 01:13.33 | nsadmin | ok, you can try a netinst |
| 01:13.40 | mayanks43 | or 1 is enough |
| 01:14.01 | dvs | mayanks43: yes |
| 01:14.10 | nsadmin | the netinst is a 150mb (avg) cd that lets you install and then reboot into it |
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| 01:14.31 | mayanks43 | gr8 then |
| 01:14.33 | nsadmin | the network can be set up early, if so you can install packages first |
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| 01:14.51 | nsadmin | if not, you can install just the base, reboot, and look into setting network up |
| 01:15.18 | Psi-Jack | Anyone by chance know how to stop an NFS deadlock issue? I got a system that just deadlocked on an NFS mount, and I can't even umount it or safely shut down the system. |
| 01:15.24 | nsadmin | there is a reference guide that should be beside you while puttting togeteher how you want to install |
| 01:15.36 | nsadmin | it's called the install guide |
| 01:15.43 | mayanks43 | k |
| 01:15.45 | nsadmin | and also you can look at release notes |
| 01:16.08 | mayanks43 | lemme try netinst |
| 01:16.11 | nsadmin | the install guide tells every different way to install, so some of it you won't use |
| 01:16.43 | nsadmin | two questions: |
| 01:16.55 | nsadmin | first, what do you want debian for? |
| 01:17.01 | dvs | 's goal is to install using every single method! |
| 01:17.23 | mayanks43 | i just like trying out linux distros |
| 01:17.27 | nsadmin | or stated in reverse, what do you want to support by installing debian |
| 01:17.28 | nsadmin | oh ok |
| 01:17.38 | nsadmin | so, netinst is a good start |
| 01:17.44 | mayanks43 | k |
| 01:18.01 | nsadmin | !ig |
| 01:18.02 | dpkg | The Debian Installation Guide for Lenny (5.0.4) can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/installmanual . See also <errata> and <installer firmware>. |
| 01:18.20 | mayanks43 | what is the debian writen in? |
| 01:18.37 | nsadmin | lots and lots of different languages |
| 01:18.38 | beardy | mayanks43: What kind of a fucking question is that. |
| 01:18.45 | prince_jammys | hebrew |
| 01:19.29 | mayanks43 | rude :-/ |
| 01:19.41 | beardy | Welcome to Freenode. |
| 01:19.55 | mayanks43 | freenode doesnt mean rude |
| 01:20.00 | nsadmin | c, c++, perl, python, tcl, scheme, lisp, more more more... and where debian is not written in some language, the interpreter or compiler might be available anyway |
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| 01:20.39 | mayanks43 | u mean all the apps are written in that |
| 01:20.45 | nsadmin | no |
| 01:20.58 | nsadmin | most in C maybe |
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| 01:21.32 | karsten | mayanks43: Read the source and decide for yourself. |
| 01:21.37 | djura-san | im off. night :)) |
| 01:21.41 | prince_jammys | debian isn't a single program, so the question doesn't make sense |
| 01:22.09 | karsten | has the distinct impression #d's being trolled. |
| 01:22.12 | nsadmin | debian is an infrastructure for creating and distributing software (one of many things) |
| 01:22.16 | mayanks43 | perhaps i need to brush my linux basics |
| 01:22.27 | nsadmin | you definitely could |
| 01:22.36 | nsadmin | and if you do you will wield more power |
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| 01:22.59 | mayanks43 | if i wanted to get into OS dev where do i start? |
| 01:23.11 | mayanks43 | (linux mostly) |
| 01:23.14 | nsadmin | some debian users do not write a single script line, some are major coders |
| 01:23.42 | nsadmin | mayanks43: what's your background? that's a HUGE question |
| 01:24.12 | rking | mayanks43: and what's your foreground? (that is, what are you interested in?) |
| 01:24.34 | karsten | !tell myosound about fundamentals |
| 01:24.45 | abrotman | close ... |
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| 01:25.10 | karsten | !tell mayanks43 about fundamentals |
| 01:25.18 | karsten | myosound: Sorry, missfire |
| 01:25.23 | mayanks43 | :D |
| 01:26.13 | nsadmin | installing a linux and learning it (especially the basic commands and the shell) will help you in coding because unix-alikes are uniquely arranged to be convenient for coding |
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| 01:26.35 | mayanks43 | so bash is a gud start |
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| 01:26.54 | mayanks43 | or m i out of context? |
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| 01:27.03 | karsten | mayanks43: It's pretty much an essential skill, yes. |
| 01:27.04 | prince_jammys | sure. it's your UI, in part. |
| 01:27.13 | karsten | mayanks43: I'd suggest you start reading what dpkg just told you. |
| 01:27.16 | nsadmin | bash is an ok start, but the surrounding commands and how they FIT TOGETHER is better to start with |
| 01:28.05 | mayanks43 | is shell scripting much more than bash? |
| 01:28.06 | nsadmin | what you're going to find, is that basic unix commands when taken together is a whiz kid at all different kinds of text handling |
| 01:28.17 | nsadmin | there are many shells |
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| 01:28.33 | nsadmin | and there are many similar languages that are not shells |
| 01:28.57 | mayanks43 | is tcl an example of that? |
| 01:29.05 | prince_jammys | mayanks43: not really. but shell scripting usually involves invoking/combining external apps. |
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| 01:29.13 | nsadmin | the main thing is you have so many choices you're going to be drowned in choices |
| 01:29.29 | nsadmin | tcl is included, and you can compile tcl |
| 01:29.31 | rking | So, I'm looking at that fundamentals link (from the dpkg bot), and it notes that the linux process timeslice is 60 per second, which is, incidentally, the same time as A/C current cycles (60Hz), and I'm betting that there has been a funky interaction between those two numbers somewhere. |
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| 01:30.42 | lfitz | hi, i am trying to run an irssi script 'notify.pl' which needs x11, but i have irssi installed on my headless sheevaplug is there a package i can install to get the base requirements for x11server? |
| 01:30.54 | lfitz | or is there any other way i could do this? |
| 01:31.03 | lfitz | ill provide links if necessary... |
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| 01:31.58 | mayanks43 | thnx all and nsadmin |
| 01:32.07 | mayanks43 | off to learning |
| 01:32.09 | nsadmin | mayanks43: there is good and bad about this open source world... the good is you can get for free and there is lots of support |
| 01:32.10 | mayanks43 | :) |
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| 01:32.35 | nsadmin | the bad is for many things there is a serious learning curve that you have to take seriously |
| 01:32.47 | nsadmin | well ok, you don't have to, but |
| 01:33.17 | nsadmin | you will grow more effective if you do |
| 01:33.37 | mayanks43 | ya i have experienced that |
| 01:33.42 | rking | lfitz: 1) why does it need x11, 2) how does it know whether x11 is installed or not? |
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| 01:34.18 | nsadmin | so that's all I can say as an intro without going down specific paths |
| 01:34.48 | lfitz | rking: when the script executes it says X11 initialization failed. |
| 01:34.51 | lfitz | it uses dbus |
| 01:35.16 | nsadmin | but I'll conclude by saying you may or may not like debian specifically... again, you have so many choices |
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| 01:35.36 | nsadmin | the bottom line is YOU have to make your choices |
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| 01:35.48 | lfitz | heres the actual message: libnotify-message: unable to get session bus: dbus-launch failed to autolaunch d-bus session: autolaunch error: x11 initialization failed... |
| 01:35.53 | mayanks43 | i m not a newbie to open source but m to Open Source OSs |
| 01:35.54 | zaiya | hi, i've tried installing debian testing on 3 different machines, and they all seem to fail when creating partitions (either ext3 or 4), but when I use zfs or xfs, the install goes fine. Anyone have any ideas? |
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| 01:36.33 | lfitz | the script is to send a message to a remote display (my laptop) from my sheeva plug (running irssi) each time i get a msg or highlight |
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| 01:36.47 | nsadmin | zaiya: depends on why they fail |
| 01:36.50 | mayanks43 | thnx a lot :) |
| 01:36.52 | beardy | rking: It is only the same "A/C current cycles" where it is 60Hz. In Finland it is not. |
| 01:37.00 | zaiya | nsadmin: 1 sec, i have the error |
| 01:37.04 | lfitz | its *seems* the server (sheeva) needs x11, correct? |
| 01:37.05 | nsadmin | welcoem have fun |
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| 01:37.46 | zaiya | nsadmin: they all error out with "failed to create file system. ext4 creation ... #1 of SCSI1 (0,0,0) (sda) failed" |
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| 01:38.21 | zaiya | i get the same in a vm, on my desktop & laptop |
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| 01:38.54 | nsadmin | zaiya: well xfs can't shrink filesystems |
| 01:39.00 | m_pahlevanadeh | i have problem |
| 01:39.12 | nsadmin | steals problem! |
| 01:39.22 | m_pahlevanadeh | RH has authentication tools |
| 01:39.35 | m_pahlevanadeh | But debian does't has |
| 01:39.59 | m_pahlevanadeh | but debian doesn't has |
| 01:40.00 | beardy | m_pahlevanadeh: Define "authentication tools". |
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| 01:40.36 | zaiya | nsadmin: what does that expose about the error? |
| 01:40.55 | m_pahlevanadeh | beardy: you can choose your mechanism of auth between kerbo, ldap, nis and etc for normal login |
| 01:41.00 | nsadmin | not sure... maybe one fs creator does more checking? |
| 01:41.07 | nsadmin | have you tried other drives? |
| 01:41.18 | beardy | m_pahlevanadeh: You can in Debian, and anything that uses PAM for that matter. |
| 01:41.44 | m_pahlevanadeh | beardy, i know, but i must do it by hand |
| 01:41.57 | beardy | Then don't say that you can't or that it doesn't exist. |
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| 01:42.05 | m_pahlevanadeh | beardy, i ssearching for ui |
| 01:42.09 | karlpinc | m_pahlevanadeh: You want the installer to do it? Submit an enhancement request. |
| 01:42.10 | zaiya | nsadmin: yeah, i mentioned i tried the install in a virtual machine, on my desktop, and my laptop |
| 01:42.38 | nsadmin | zaiya: what's in common? |
| 01:42.49 | zaiya | all fail with same error |
| 01:42.56 | nsadmin | ok, what else? |
| 01:42.56 | zaiya | with 2 different weekly isos |
| 01:43.06 | SunDragon | I installed Lenny on an old PowerPC Macintosh the other week and it worked surprisingly well |
| 01:43.07 | nsadmin | weekly? |
| 01:43.09 | nsadmin | ok |
| 01:43.09 | rking | beardy: true; I never denied my Americocentrism. |
| 01:43.22 | nsadmin | what if you try lenny? |
| 01:43.37 | zaiya | lenny is too old to install on my hardware |
| 01:43.42 | m_pahlevanadeh | karlpinc : how do i submit ? |
| 01:43.51 | zaiya | except vm but i figured i wouldn't bother |
| 01:43.58 | m_pahlevanadeh | karlpinc: do you have link ? |
| 01:44.20 | nsadmin | if you could solve the hardware issue, would you want to install lenny? |
| 01:44.25 | zaiya | this is strange because I've installed debian testing before on my laptop and my desktop without issue |
| 01:44.58 | dondelelcaro | zaiya: what precisely was the erorr? |
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| 01:45.00 | zaiya | no i'm going to sid :p |
| 01:45.09 | zaiya | h/o i'll get the ss |
| 01:45.13 | dondelelcaro | zaiya: if you want sid, upgrade from lenny or similar. |
| 01:45.46 | zaiya | if i can get lenny installed then sure, but the kernel is too old (for my laptop at least which is where i want to install it) |
| 01:45.57 | nsadmin | what kernel do you need? |
| 01:46.04 | beardy | zaInstall testing then. |
| 01:46.19 | dondelelcaro | zaiya: or use a kmuto kernel if you want lenny |
| 01:46.31 | beardy | If you're going to sid, install the closest. Just stupid to install stable first. |
| 01:46.56 | nsadmin | well you could install stable base only then upgrade that |
| 01:47.10 | nsadmin | that would be an easy way to get started |
| 01:47.37 | beardy | He is whining that his shiny hardware is too new, why should he then do that. |
| 01:47.46 | zaiya | dondelelcaro: this is the error http://imgur.com/V6egq.png |
| 01:47.56 | qq- | zaiya, so use the same (good working) image, not weekly one |
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| 01:48.12 | nsadmin | I'm not interpreting his statements as whining... I'm offering him choices he can take or leave |
| 01:48.16 | zaiya | don't have a copy since it was a while ago |
| 01:48.22 | beardy | If he can't fix it though, fuck knows why he should run sid. |
| 01:48.52 | nsadmin | beardy: the ultimate reason is with ownership there are privileges |
| 01:49.19 | zaiya | i cant fix something i cant even install you fucking arrogant prick |
| 01:49.36 | nsadmin | if he owns the machine everyone else has ZERO rights to say what they can and can't do |
| 01:50.01 | zaiya | *if |
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| 01:50.32 | nsadmin | let's calm down and stop making assumptions |
| 01:50.52 | nsadmin | on all "sides" |
| 01:50.52 | zaiya | nsadmin: i appreciate you trying to help. anger is not directed at you |
| 01:51.18 | nsadmin | still, everyone needs to calm down so the channel can run efficiently |
| 01:51.21 | zaiya | fact of the matter is i've tried the given solutions. that's the reason I'm here. |
| 01:51.49 | nsadmin | oh ok... still I'd like to know "what kernel do you need" |
| 01:52.41 | nsadmin | is part of the issue that you want ext[34 |
| 01:52.47 | nsadmin | ]? |
| 01:53.02 | zaiya | yeah, i'd like ext4 but both fail |
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| 01:53.13 | nsadmin | hmm. |
| 01:53.17 | zaiya | i'll just go with xfs if i can't get ext's install |
| 01:53.19 | nsadmin | under what kernel typically? |
| 01:53.19 | zaiya | *to |
| 01:53.43 | nsadmin | , kernels |
| 01:53.46 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.34-1-686 (2.6.34-1~experimental.2); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-15); squeeze: 2.6.32-3-686 (2.6.32-9); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.4-686 (2.6.32-11~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-22lenny1); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
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| 01:54.13 | zaiya | i think i need at lest 2.6.28 or greater for my laptop |
| 01:54.43 | nsadmin | ok, you could try kmuto lenny netinstall, I think it has .32 currently |
| 01:54.54 | nsadmin | but, you say you tried that? |
| 01:55.18 | dotty | hi guys, i recently installed Lenny, but when I boot up it gives me the error "error: no such disk." |
| 01:55.21 | zaiya | hm that's the only option i didn't use since i have wireless , but i can give it a shot this weekend with a wired con. |
| 01:55.34 | zaiya | i'll just have to grab the wireless drivers |
| 01:55.36 | dotty | i've tried rescue mode to 'fix' the grub, but still, gives me the same error =( |
| 01:56.05 | nsadmin | zaiya: can you provide lspci -nn line describing your wireless? |
| 01:56.15 | dotty | any advice .. i've tried Googling, seems like there was a bug, but not sure if it was fixed |
| 01:56.41 | zaiya | i know where to get them, no need to worry about that |
| 01:57.16 | zaiya | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:57.39 | nsadmin | zaiya: the thing is maybe there is an image which installs debian and which supports your wireless |
| 01:58.25 | qq- | zaiya, testing is ... testing |
| 01:58.26 | zaiya | nsadmin: is there some page that has these other isos? i usually just get the ones from debian site |
| 01:58.52 | zaiya | qq-: which again is why i'm here ;p it's possible this might have happened to someone else |
| 01:58.54 | dotty | nevermind, looks like unplugging one of the spare hdd works |
| 01:58.56 | nsadmin | there is k. muto who tries to make later ones for earlier systems |
| 01:59.00 | nsadmin | !kmuto |
| 01:59.01 | dpkg | For Debian Lenny installers with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ . The <bnx2> and <bnx2x> firmware files for Linux 2.6.32 are included in 0116 images. |
| 01:59.10 | zaiya | oh nice |
| 01:59.49 | zaiya | oh yeah, lenny also only has ext3 right? |
| 02:00.00 | nsadmin | debian is fairly unique in that it's easy to upgrade in place |
| 02:00.12 | nsadmin | not sure about that, depends more on kernel |
| 02:00.19 | zaiya | hm ok |
| 02:00.27 | zaiya | nsadmin: well i need to head out. thanks for the help. i'll just try and get lenny on there and upgrade from there. |
| 02:00.36 | zaiya | cya |
| 02:00.40 | nsadmin | so once you get a successful lenny install you can upgrade |
| 02:00.50 | nsadmin | back it up first :) |
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| 02:15.27 | manchot | why is that exim is always made the default mail transfer agent? |
| 02:15.41 | manchot | I wonder how many people actually use it. |
| 02:16.31 | abrotman | manchot: they had to choose one, you can easily replace it |
| 02:17.22 | manchot | abrotman, I wonder what are the advantages of exim? It seems not so popular to server as a MTA |
| 02:17.51 | abrotman | it was just picked, it's reasonably sane and secure |
| 02:19.02 | manchot | abrotman, I see. what MTA do you use? |
| 02:19.29 | abrotman | If I actually want to configure it for something other than smarthost, postfix |
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| 02:19.54 | abrotman | but if it's just offloading to another system, i'm fine with exim |
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| 02:24.50 | User_007 | i need help but i don't know if it is the right place to ask... |
| 02:25.24 | civillian | You're probably right |
| 02:25.39 | User_007 | it's a problem in MESA compiling, where can i find help for this? |
| 02:26.27 | civillian | Google? |
| 02:26.32 | User_007 | on irc |
| 02:26.41 | User_007 | what channel can i use? |
| 02:27.40 | civillian | No idea.. is there a #mesa? |
| 02:27.58 | User_007 | yes but just a guy is there |
| 02:28.59 | prince_jammys | see if http://www.mesa3d.org is of any use. |
| 02:34.53 | User_007 | ty |
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| 02:42.49 | cor_r | is there a script for debian which automatically pastes the command results I used into a pastebin and gives me out the link(in console)? (something like (fpaste), if someone is familiar with fedora) |
| 02:42.56 | abrotman | pastebinit |
| 02:43.26 | cor_r | lol now this was fast for sure |
| 02:43.27 | cor_r | thank you abrotman |
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| 02:56.25 | lepra | hello everybody, anyone here could get the wifi RTL8187b working on debian lenny? |
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| 03:02.12 | Jon-- | Problem: Currently have a full drive with no unallocated space. Installed: Windows, Ubuntu. Boot with: GRUB. Want to: Safely take free-space from existing partitions, make room, install another Debian based OS (BackTrack). How can I do this safely/without modifying my current configuration (ie get space, install using existing boot-loader) |
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| 03:04.04 | karlpinc | Jon--: resize2fs/parted But you're off topic here because none of what your doing is debian. |
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| 03:09.35 | OldParr | Jon--: use gparted |
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| 03:14.18 | cor_r | lepra, you probably saw that already ?!? : http://wiki.debian.org/rtl818x |
| 03:14.51 | lepra | cor_r, of course, thanks anyway |
| 03:15.31 | lepra | cor_r, i can get it to work but can't connect |
| 03:16.09 | lepra | in ubuntu I could succesufuly use it trough ndiswrapper |
| 03:17.20 | cor_r | lepra, try using ndiswrapepr on debain as well?!? |
| 03:18.21 | lepra | cor_r, tried it on lenny but it didn't worked, said that "could not find the ndiswrapper module" when i did modprobe ndiswrapper |
| 03:18.56 | lepra | it installed fine but then when i tried to load the modules i got that error |
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| 03:20.42 | cor_r | you did as the wiki told ya to do I guess? lepra |
| 03:21.07 | lepra | cor_r, yeah man, that was my first try |
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| 03:21.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | so I guess you already got to |
| 03:21.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | !ndiswrapper one-liner |
| 03:21.56 | dpkg | Lenny: "aptitude install module-assistant && m-a a-i ndiswrapper". Squeeze: "aptitude -r install linux-headers-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,'` ndiswrapper-utils-1.9". Install a Windows XP NDIS driver via "ndiswrapper -i <inf file>", refer to the ndiswrapper man page. After that, "echo ndiswrapper >> /etc/modules && modprobe ndiswrapper". |
| 03:22.28 | cor_r | I mean you added it also to the kerne modules at boot and rebooted? |
| 03:23.11 | cor_r | well it sounds like he didnt do the "echo" , but what do I know |
| 03:23.23 | lepra | CutMeOwnThroat, hummmmm, I'll try that, thanks! |
| 03:23.47 | cor_r | lepra, thats exactly the wiki thing I just asked you about -.- |
| 03:24.16 | lepra | cor_r, no man, the wiki tells to install a backportedkernel |
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| 03:24.26 | cor_r | lepra, http://wiki.debian.org/NdisWrapper |
| 03:24.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps you're talking about different wiki-pages :) |
| 03:24.56 | cor_r | lepra, installation for lenny is exactly the post from above |
| 03:25.07 | lepra | CutMeOwnThroat, yeah |
| 03:25.14 | cor_r | lepra, and then just : http://wiki.debian.org/NdisWrapper#Configuration |
| 03:25.23 | cor_r | CutMeOwnThroat, yeah -.- |
| 03:25.28 | lepra | thanks u 2 |
| 03:26.05 | lepra | im almost sure it will work, i'm a noobie, haha |
| 03:26.21 | cor_r | CutMeOwnThroat, yeah thanks, I didnt know that onliner for dpkg yet :) |
| 03:26.42 | cor_r | lepra, it will, belive in the mighty linux ;) |
| 03:27.07 | lepra | haha, yeah man, linux rules |
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| 03:27.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | cor_r, you'd have found it - it's referred to in the ndiswrapper factoid :) |
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| 03:29.45 | cor_r | CutMeOwnThroat, it is indeed, dang it...well, thank you :) |
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| 04:14.37 | Andorin | So I upgraded to squeeze from a brand-new install following dpkg's instructions, and now when I get to the login screen it constantly crashes and restarts before I can log in. Computer beeps each time (motherboard, not speakers) and it gets annoying fast. |
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| 04:18.16 | intx | any idea why i get this error? "-bash: ./configure: /bin/sh: bad interpreter: Permission denied" |
| 04:19.00 | dondelelcaro | intx: ./configure isn't +x, the partition is mounted noexec, /bin/sh doesn't have the right permissions, etc. |
| 04:19.20 | intx | -rwxr-xr-x 1 intx intx 139570 2010-06-06 03:23 configure |
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| 04:19.39 | anonymous | Hi, does anyone know if it's possible/how to change the font color of the font in the titlebar? |
| 04:19.51 | Andorin | What do I need to do to kill the login manager process? I don't know its name., |
| 04:19.58 | intx | /bin/sh points to -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 700492 2008-05-12 15:02 /bin/bash |
| 04:19.58 | dondelelcaro | Andorin: which login manager? |
| 04:20.01 | Andorin | I can access the command line from here, fortunately. |
| 04:20.04 | Andorin | dondelelcaro: gdm |
| 04:20.09 | intx | mount: /dev/hda7 on /home type ext3 (rw) |
| 04:20.10 | dondelelcaro | Andorin: /etc/init.d/gdm restart |
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| 04:20.28 | prince_jammys | or 'stop', if that's what you want |
| 04:20.31 | dondelelcaro | intx: what does head -1 configure; report? |
| 04:20.55 | Andorin | Yeah, it just keeps crashing and restarting. Beep is really anonying. |
| 04:20.59 | Andorin | annoying |
| 04:21.00 | intx | dondelelcaro: #! /bash/sh |
| 04:21.07 | dondelelcaro | intx: well, there you go |
| 04:21.08 | prince_jammys | oopsey |
| 04:21.17 | intx | dondelelcaro: sorry #! /bin/sh (typo) |
| 04:21.32 | intx | i copied it wrong |
| 04:21.58 | intx | both /usr and /home are mounted as type ext3 (rw) |
| 04:22.07 | prince_jammys | head -1 configure | cat -e |
| 04:22.21 | intx | #! /bin/sh$ |
| 04:22.26 | prince_jammys | ok, good. |
| 04:22.28 | dondelelcaro | intx: and sh ./configure; works? |
| 04:22.37 | intx | yes |
| 04:22.55 | intx | well actually |
| 04:22.55 | dondelelcaro | intx: what does /proc/mounts say about that filesystem? |
| 04:23.05 | dondelelcaro | uh... so it doesn't? |
| 04:23.06 | intx | it starts to run and gets this "configure: error: cannot run C++ compiled programs." |
| 04:23.34 | intx | but it gets further than ./configure, which just gives me the bad interpreter Permission denied error |
| 04:24.03 | intx | /dev/hda7 /home ext3 rw,errors=continue,data=ordered 0 0 ; /dev/hda6 /usr ext3 rw,errors=continue,data=ordered 0 0 |
| 04:25.09 | intx | ./configure tells me to look at config.log, which seems to fail here: |
| 04:25.10 | intx | ./configure: line 2218: ./conftest: Permission denied |
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| 04:25.40 | dondelelcaro | intx: and /home is the partition that you're running this configure script out of? |
| 04:25.47 | intx | that's correct |
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| 04:26.40 | dondelelcaro | intx: and the following fails? echo -e '#!/bin/sh\necho 1;' > test.sh; chmod +x test.sh; ./test.sh? |
| 04:27.20 | intx | yes |
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| 04:27.37 | dondelelcaro | intx: are you running selinux? |
| 04:27.49 | intx | no |
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| 04:28.12 | dondelelcaro | well, there's something unusual about your setup, or something that you're not telling us, because on a stock setup, that will work |
| 04:28.38 | intx | okay, maybe i'll do a reinstall, thanks for your help |
| 04:28.50 | dondelelcaro | intx: does it work if you run it as root? |
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| 04:30.05 | intx | yes |
| 04:30.42 | intx | interesting |
| 04:30.49 | intx | oh well :) that works for me, thanks :) |
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| 04:31.54 | lepra | that's what i imagined, didn't said nothing because it was too obvious |
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| 04:34.04 | dabreegster | Got a new hard drive, from time to time it seems to lag.. mplayer will pause to buffer, or writing in vim will take several seconds. Is there an hdparam setting that might help? |
| 04:36.52 | Dewi | dabreegster: sounds like something is seriously wrong |
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| 04:37.26 | dabreegster | Dewi: new drive, good reviews.. could it be something like dust in the sata connectors? I was gentle with everything |
| 04:37.33 | Dewi | dabreegster: done all the smart checks? |
| 04:37.43 | Dewi | dabreegster: smartctl --all |
| 04:37.48 | dabreegster | Dewi: er, none. I'll try em |
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| 04:38.27 | Dewi | dabreegster: that cli is a bit arcane. There are lots of more UI based smart checkers, but that one is certainly comprehensive |
| 04:39.54 | dabreegster | Dewi: I'll try it out. So it's more likely a defect than a setting wrong? If it's relevant, it's "advanced format," but apparently that only matters for ntfs |
| 04:40.31 | Dewi | dabreegster: did you swap it into an existing system that was using sata previously? |
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| 04:40.49 | dabreegster | Dewi: Yes. Old drive worked fine, also SATA, same slot in the mobo |
| 04:41.25 | Dewi | dabreegster: could you have knocked a bios setting controlling the SATA operating mode? |
| 04:41.50 | dabreegster | Dewi: Possibly, I'll check on my next reboot. Anything else I should look for when I powerdown? |
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| 04:42.13 | Dewi | dabreegster: actually that's something else to check more generally... tail /var/log/syslog during one of these pauses and see if some read timeout or something is occurring. And maybe try switching SATA modes if that's the case (in your BIOS) |
| 04:42.49 | Dewi | but usually if the drive is the only thing you've changed it does sound pretty suspect |
| 04:43.24 | Dewi | and although you can sometimes do some hdparm type tuning, you shouldn't get results as bad as you're describing with the defaults |
| 04:43.30 | wwsmurf | Xorg configuration for the iMac Indigo is a bear. Maybe the problem is similar to what this guy experienced. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTgIstxa9bo |
| 04:43.44 | wwsmurf | (lenny 5.0.4) |
| 04:44.14 | dabreegster | Dewi: Don't see anything in the syslog or dmesg. I'll check bios and smartctl, thanks. |
| 04:45.48 | Dewi | dabreegster: as well as the info readouts, smartctl's short test is handy. it's -t short, and -l to see the results |
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| 04:46.02 | taiyal | heh, I "fixed" the Wine/Firefox problem |
| 04:46.26 | taiyal | Wine installs a bogus version of Arial that webpages can specify, so I just had to force my own font choices |
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| 04:50.00 | wwsmurf | I bet that the guy in http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTgIstxa9bo is running the same rage 128 pro that I had problems with on my iMac Indigo (Lenny 5.0.4) |
| 04:50.06 | dabreegster | Dewi: no tests give errors, nothing in syslog.. it may just be a BIOS setting |
| 04:50.09 | wwsmurf | And he has AGP |
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| 04:51.15 | taiyal | or alternatively, I can just remove the msttcorefonts folder (doing so right now) |
| 04:51.18 | Dewi | dabreegster: hmm. Annoying. Yeah try enabling/disabling AHCI, legacy modes, etc |
| 04:51.39 | antileet | Hi, I am trying to use pbuilder to build a package. There seems to be something wrong with my rules file and I need to debug |
| 04:52.16 | taiyal | my apologies, I've been messaging the wrong channel. Goodbye. |
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| 04:52.16 | antileet | Is there any way I can log in to the chroot environment after all the dependencies are met and the files have been copied? |
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| 04:53.03 | wwsmurf | I had to use Xorg -configure and disable hardware acceleartion (if I didn't do the second I lost control and couldn't even switch to another screen) |
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| 04:57.12 | wwsmurf | I bet r128 is borked on powerPC. |
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| 05:00.27 | wwsmurf | He's using a rage mobility 128. I'm using a rage 128 pro. We both seem to be using AGP on powerPC Macs of the same vintage. |
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| 05:40.43 | electricalEngine | test |
| 05:41.23 | electricalEngine | hi,how to clean my harddrive?the var directory can be deleted? |
| 05:41.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | failed |
| 05:41.44 | electricalEngine | lol |
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| 05:42.22 | cor_r | lol |
| 05:43.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | lawl? |
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| 05:46.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | to answer your question: no |
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| 05:48.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | you can run 'apt-cache clean' |
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| 05:50.16 | nsadmin | electricalEngine, cleaning your hd could be helped by some organization, one form of which is partitioning it in order to limit the effect overfilling can have |
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| 05:52.06 | nsadmin | if you have a separate /home, then you have two different cleaning processes... your personal process and system processes, latter of which can be broken down further in various ways. |
| 05:53.10 | nsadmin | one system process has to do with packaging... if you want to keep your packaging system working, then you should not arbitrarily remove things in places that debian packaging has control |
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| 05:53.48 | nsadmin | instead you would use the existing tools to add or remove packages |
| 05:53.54 | nsadmin | and to list what you have |
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| 05:55.03 | zcat[1] | You can delete all the old logs (*.gz) in /var/log, other than that I would not touch anything outside of /home ... |
| 05:55.39 | zcat[1] | unless you know exactly what it does |
| 05:56.30 | zcat[1] | apt-get clean clears up a lot of space too... |
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| 05:57.15 | nsadmin | specifically downloaded packages which go to /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 05:57.24 | zcat[1] | Linux generally doesn't accumulate unnecessary crap that badly anyhow.. |
| 05:57.49 | cor_r | lol |
| 05:57.54 | zcat[1] | nowhere nearly as much as the OS you probably used to use.. |
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| 05:58.45 | zcat[1] | I have a lot of crap in /home that I could probably clean up though ;) |
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| 06:00.04 | tk3 | zcat: oh n0es, never do that ; =P |
| 06:00.50 | zcat[1] | Yeah, it'd probably be easier to just install a bigger hard drive. |
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| 06:00.56 | nsadmin | just use lvm and add giggiebytes! |
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| 06:01.45 | vikramverma | Any of you guys know why these header packages were pulled? - linux-headers-2.6.32-3-amd64, linux-headers-2.6.32-3-common |
| 06:01.50 | zcat[1] | I need to build one of these; http://is.gd/cL3Fc |
| 06:02.25 | vikramverma | for squeeze? :( |
| 06:02.58 | vikramverma | http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/linux-headers-2.6.32-3-amd64 |
| 06:03.06 | vikramverma | http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/linux-headers-2.6.32-3-common |
| 06:03.18 | vikramverma | Google cache list them as being up 11 days ago |
| 06:03.22 | nsadmin | it should say on that page |
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| 06:03.37 | vikramverma | Neither seems to |
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| 06:03.43 | nsadmin | what problem are you experiencing? |
| 06:04.02 | vikramverma | Trying to get my LAN drivers to work in the #! alpha |
| 06:04.09 | vikramverma | and I need to grab the kernel headers |
| 06:04.17 | vikramverma | but they're nowhere to be found :( |
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| 06:05.12 | nsadmin | note that an avenue is available to you... if you change your kernel for one that you can find the headers, you're probably good to go |
| 06:05.27 | tk3 | is it me or are debian mirrors suffering heavy traffic right noww? |
| 06:05.33 | vikramverma | I know, I'd just rather save myself from that problem |
| 06:05.46 | nsadmin | tk3: it -is- me! |
| 06:05.47 | vikramverma | Were I to find these headers as they stood just over a week ago |
| 06:06.07 | vikramverma | :/ |
| 06:06.18 | nsadmin | are you running lenny? |
| 06:06.41 | tk3 | k9t mumbles grudgefully towards nsadmin: |
| 06:07.06 | vikramverma | Crunchbang Statler, based on Squeeze |
| 06:07.18 | vikramverma | As is stands so far, anyway. |
| 06:07.37 | vikramverma | :) |
| 06:07.43 | nsadmin | take a look at their mirrors |
| 06:08.20 | vikramverma | Alright |
| 06:08.40 | nsadmin | what kernel do you need, .32? |
| 06:09.29 | vikramverma | 2.62.32-3, I think |
| 06:09.30 | tk3 | experimental is using *.34 =X |
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| 06:10.10 | nsadmin | vikramverma, what .32 kernel is available to you right now that has headers that are also available now? |
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| 06:10.46 | vikramverma | That's the thing, I'm having trouble finding any.. |
| 06:11.07 | tk3 | apt-cache search linux-image ? |
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| 06:11.37 | nsadmin | does crunchbang (why do they call it that?) use debian mirrors, or does it have its own mirror system? |
| 06:11.49 | tk3 | apt-cache search linux-headers-2.6.32-5-{486,686,686-bigmem,amd64} ?? |
| 06:12.08 | vikramverma | I can't use apt atm, I don't think |
| 06:12.15 | vikramverma | I'm using an old powerbook |
| 06:12.19 | vikramverma | While the LAN is down |
| 06:12.24 | vikramverma | :/ |
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| 06:12.49 | tk3 | :make headers_install from /usr/src/$(uname -r) |
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| 06:13.05 | nsadmin | do you have a kernel, presumably older, that has working drivers? |
| 06:13.57 | tk3 | nsadmin: do you attend washington state? |
| 06:14.18 | nsadmin | no, same tz tho |
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| 06:14.38 | tk3 | oh, cool.. |
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| 06:14.48 | tk3 | night guys.. |
| 06:14.57 | nsadmin | why do you ask? |
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| 06:15.54 | tk3 | client whois returned washington dc, but i realize that assumption was wrong. I must read the first field: (SERVER) |
| 06:16.12 | tk3 | was/is |
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| 06:16.29 | sudonotplease | Nothing active - a few LiveCDs maybe, but I'm looking for something somewhat more permanent - would it make sense just to update the kernel to .34, and then try and work with that? |
| 06:16.42 | sudonotplease | Sorry, wasn't paying attention to the battery. |
| 06:17.22 | nsadmin | oh, is this...vikramverma? |
| 06:17.30 | sudonotplease | Right, yes sorry |
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| 06:17.40 | itsosimpo | newbie here, question: do public ip addresses stay the same? |
| 06:18.11 | Sm0ke0ut | depends on your ISP.... |
| 06:18.31 | nsadmin | yes they do... the numbers themselves don't change |
| 06:18.41 | itsosimpo | ok |
| 06:18.53 | itsosimpo | so say i want to ssh to my computer from outside my network |
| 06:19.05 | itsosimpo | could i use my ip address? |
| 06:19.05 | tk3 | well on the laptop i copied /boot/config-2.6.32-3 to /usr/src/2.6.35-rc2/.config and ran make oldconfig... my point is... building a kernel from source using debian configs is practically painless. |
| 06:19.14 | nsadmin | but actually the question doesn't make sense... the same as what? |
| 06:19.37 | vikramverma | Were you talking to me, sorry? |
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| 06:19.49 | tk3 | anyways, astalavista (.box.sk) |
| 06:19.49 | nsadmin | sorry no, to itsosimpo |
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| 06:20.32 | nsadmin | .34, you'd have to check the driver to see if it would build against that kernel |
| 06:20.33 | itsosimpo | will my ip address ever change? i could just ssh to an ip address and log into my computer? |
| 06:20.53 | nsadmin | oh, the address you have, ok... it can yes |
| 06:21.03 | Andorin | Does anyone know whether it's possible to change Debian's libnotify to look and function like Ubuntu's? |
| 06:21.08 | nsadmin | for example dhcp specifically allows it |
| 06:21.16 | itsosimpo | my public ip address |
| 06:21.18 | itsosimpo | i mean |
| 06:21.39 | Sm0ke0ut | as I said. it depends per ISP |
| 06:21.59 | nsadmin | on your verizon service you mean? |
| 06:22.02 | nsadmin | it can. |
| 06:22.08 | itsosimpo | ho do i make sure i can ssh to my computer from outside my network then? |
| 06:22.30 | nsadmin | you can use one of those dyndns sites |
| 06:22.42 | nsadmin | look into fail2ban |
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| 06:23.53 | nsadmin | anyway, vikramverma, so you're looking to build drivers for a device in your laptop |
| 06:24.13 | vikramverma | Yes. |
| 06:24.31 | nsadmin | do you have an earlier kernel image installed where the drivers work? |
| 06:24.45 | vikramverma | I don't, no. |
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| 06:24.58 | vikramverma | I bought the computer, yesterday. |
| 06:25.04 | vikramverma | It's practically a clean system. |
| 06:25.05 | nsadmin | oh ok |
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| 06:25.13 | nsadmin | had debian already? |
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| 06:25.31 | nsadmin | it's an apple powerbook? |
| 06:25.36 | vikramverma | No, self-install. |
| 06:25.44 | vikramverma | Powerbook is what I'm using now |
| 06:25.51 | vikramverma | While the LAN is broken |
| 06:25.55 | nsadmin | and no kernels you've found so far have the driver |
| 06:26.02 | vikramverma | It's a pretty little Thinkpad x100e |
| 06:26.05 | nsadmin | is the device on the pci bus? |
| 06:26.12 | vikramverma | Yeah |
| 06:26.28 | vikramverma | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7167833/2010-06-11--1276265577_1366x768_scrot.png |
| 06:26.43 | nsadmin | could you show the line in lspci -nn that describes your card? |
| 06:26.54 | nsadmin | are you running a linux on it now? |
| 06:26.58 | vikramverma | See above? |
| 06:26.59 | vikramverma | Yes |
| 06:27.43 | vikramverma | I'm trying to follow these instructions: http://forums.hardwaresecrets.com/installing-realtek-rtl8111/3906?s=41b987d53d8724a2452eb695d1642e6e&s=b8d22e289c0e83bb38b45a1481a09db4& |
| 06:27.47 | nsadmin | need an extra piece of info given by lspci -nn |
| 06:27.49 | vikramverma | but they're rather updated |
| 06:27.56 | vikramverma | Oh, one moment. |
| 06:28.10 | vikramverma | I'll type it out |
| 06:28.15 | nsadmin | just need the... |
| 06:28.25 | nsadmin | [abcd:1234] |
| 06:28.36 | vikramverma | [10ec:8168]? |
| 06:28.52 | nsadmin | , pciid [10ec:8168] |
| 06:28.55 | judd | [10ec:8168] is 'RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller' from 'Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.' with kernel module 'r8169' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10ec:8168 |
| 06:29.03 | nsadmin | oh, it is there |
| 06:29.23 | nsadmin | try modprobe r8169 |
| 06:29.44 | vikramverma | Nothing comes up, I'm afraid. |
| 06:29.57 | nsadmin | so you did the modprobe? |
| 06:30.02 | vikramverma | Yes |
| 06:30.06 | nsadmin | and it said? |
| 06:30.10 | vikramverma | Newline |
| 06:30.20 | nsadmin | potentially successful result. |
| 06:30.25 | nsadmin | ifconfig -a |
| 06:30.29 | nsadmin | and look for it |
| 06:32.04 | nsadmin | do you see an ethX? |
| 06:32.04 | vikramverma | nsadmin: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7167833/2010-06-11--1276270188_1366x768_scrot.png |
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| 06:32.37 | vikramverma | right side |
| 06:32.51 | nsadmin | looks like your eth0 is running now |
| 06:33.27 | vikramverma | Device not managed, created new connection.... |
| 06:33.36 | vikramverma | ethernet is in the other room |
| 06:33.37 | vikramverma | brb |
| 06:34.37 | itsosimpo | hello, i just signed up for a dyndns...is that all i need to ssh from outside my network? |
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| 06:35.19 | nsadmin | itsosimpo, you need a way to tell the dyndns your ip when it changes |
| 06:35.36 | nsadmin | again..... look into fail2ban :) |
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| 06:36.12 | vikramverma | It's not autoconfig'ing at the very least, ping@unknownhost |
| 06:36.40 | nsadmin | correct, but most likely we're past the driver issue |
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| 06:37.09 | nsadmin | so, this is used to make wired connections? |
| 06:37.24 | vikramverma | Right now, wired. |
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| 06:38.09 | nsadmin | see it seems like it's running, it has an IP and everything |
| 06:38.49 | vikramverma | When I took the last screenshot, it wasn't even linked up. :/ |
| 06:39.13 | itsosimpo | err well i can't ssh to my new dns anyway, what gives? |
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| 06:40.25 | itsosimpo | says host does not exist |
| 06:41.24 | vikramverma | Oh darn, my mistake. |
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| 06:41.37 | vikramverma | I set it to a manual IP before |
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| 06:41.57 | vikramverma | switches to DHCP |
| 06:42.04 | vikramverma | I still think it's a driver problem |
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| 06:42.39 | itsosimpo | oh, heh. i just activated it |
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| 06:44.08 | itsosimpo | ugh, network error connection timed out |
| 06:44.27 | nsadmin | dig (your dyndns addr) |
| 06:44.28 | vikramverma | If I move it back in here |
| 06:44.37 | vikramverma | I can share my wireless through the ethernet |
| 06:44.51 | vikramverma | So config without having to switch rooms all the time |
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| 06:45.58 | nsadmin | if you can do stuff with the wired eth, it's working |
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| 06:46.11 | vikramverma | I can't, that's the thing |
| 06:46.17 | vikramverma | I'm just trying |
| 06:46.37 | nsadmin | why can't? |
| 06:46.51 | MaGaO | erm... I'm trying to lock Gnome Desktop icons in place so standard users can't move them. I've been Googling for a while and I can't find a way to do it |
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| 06:47.21 | MaGaO | Can anybody either tell me how to lock them or where does Gnome store desktop icons' locations so I can try and lock that? |
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| 06:48.30 | vikramverma | No network connection -> network connections -> wired |
| 06:48.38 | karsten | MaGaO: #gnome, possibly. I suspec tthey're in gconf somewhere. |
| 06:48.45 | vikramverma | Doesn't configure |
| 06:49.01 | MaGaO | argh, I had just to find it now XD |
| 06:49.05 | vikramverma | I don't know where that ip's coming from |
| 06:49.18 | MaGaO | it seems to be a file hanging from ~/.nautilus/metafiles |
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| 06:49.23 | MaGaO | sorry for bothering you |
| 06:49.34 | MaGaO | have a nice day |
| 06:49.44 | vikramverma | g'day to you sir |
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| 06:50.59 | vikramverma | Okay, nevermind all that. |
| 06:51.11 | vikramverma | I'm going to install the drivers, as I originally planned. |
| 06:51.19 | vikramverma | To do that I need the header files? |
| 06:51.25 | nsadmin | I'm telling ya, you have drivers now :) |
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| 06:52.29 | nsadmin | it even looks like your eth is in use... does it say something about eth0 in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 06:53.28 | vikramverma | Yeah |
| 06:53.39 | nsadmin | dhcp? |
| 06:53.41 | vikramverma | allow-hotplug eth0 |
| 06:53.49 | nsadmin | ok, next line? |
| 06:53.58 | vikramverma | iface eth0 inte static |
| 06:54.07 | nsadmin | static... |
| 06:54.09 | nsadmin | hmm |
| 06:54.18 | vikramverma | We have DyIP over here |
| 06:54.23 | vikramverma | If that's anything to do with it |
| 06:54.24 | nsadmin | when you installed this machine, did you specify a static IP address? |
| 06:54.42 | itsosimpo | dude i can ping my dns |
| 06:54.43 | vikramverma | Yes, it wouldn't let me go through the installer otherwise |
| 06:54.50 | nsadmin | do you normally use dhcp? |
| 06:54.52 | itsosimpo | but i can't ssh from another network |
| 06:54.53 | vikramverma | Yes |
| 06:55.19 | vikramverma | None of the information listed here pertains correctly to my actual network connection |
| 06:55.23 | nsadmin | ok, could you pastebin the contents of the file? |
| 06:55.30 | vikramverma | sure |
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| 06:55.45 | nsadmin | it should be short enuf to fit on one screen, so you could png it |
| 06:57.20 | vikramverma | http://pastebin.com/kQLqwsTz |
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| 06:57.50 | itsosimpo | ugh could it be the firewall settings? |
| 06:58.38 | nsadmin | just curious about one thing... ping 192.168.11.1 |
| 06:59.20 | vikramverma | Destination host unreachable |
| 06:59.29 | nsadmin | ok |
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| 07:00.06 | nsadmin | cd /etc/network ; cp interfaces interfaces-backup |
| 07:00.36 | nsadmin | ifdown eth0 |
| 07:00.56 | nsadmin | (you're not ircing from the laptop are you?) |
| 07:01.05 | vikramverma | Powerbook |
| 07:01.16 | vikramverma | Entered all that in |
| 07:01.23 | nsadmin | ls |
| 07:01.29 | nsadmin | you should see at least two files |
| 07:01.38 | nsadmin | interfaces and interfaces-backup |
| 07:01.58 | nsadmin | (when you do "ls") |
| 07:02.02 | vikramverma | if-down.d if-post-down.d if-pre-up.d interfaces interface-backup run |
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| 07:02.12 | nsadmin | ok good |
| 07:02.32 | vikramverma | so now? |
| 07:02.36 | nsadmin | now you can edit interfaces without worrying about screwing it up |
| 07:02.41 | nsadmin | because you have another copy |
| 07:02.43 | vikramverma | ah cool |
| 07:02.57 | nsadmin | that's what the cp was for |
| 07:02.59 | vikramverma | I get the cp |
| 07:03.07 | vikramverma | I was wondering what you meant by ifdown eth0 |
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| 07:03.36 | nsadmin | ok, nano interfaces |
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| 07:03.46 | vikramverma | pico man, pico |
| 07:03.55 | vikramverma | heh |
| 07:04.12 | nsadmin | and you're going to get rid of all lines after iface eth0 inet static |
| 07:04.27 | vikramverma | done |
| 07:04.34 | nsadmin | ok, good |
| 07:04.52 | nsadmin | now, change so it reads iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 07:05.00 | nsadmin | save the file, exit the editor |
| 07:05.27 | nsadmin | is it connected? |
| 07:05.38 | vikramverma | That changes it from static to dhcp |
| 07:05.39 | vikramverma | okay |
| 07:05.44 | vikramverma | lemme check |
| 07:05.52 | nsadmin | no I mean |
| 07:05.56 | nsadmin | is the wire there? |
| 07:06.07 | vikramverma | I'm just putting it in |
| 07:06.12 | vikramverma | and enabling sharing on the mac |
| 07:06.24 | nsadmin | after putting the wire in... |
| 07:06.29 | nsadmin | ifup eth0 |
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| 07:08.09 | matti_hautameki | hi! can someone tell me why my nvidia ion based board runs poorly when resizing an firefox or something else ? |
| 07:08.37 | nsadmin | I can tell you something else... |
| 07:08.45 | nsadmin | 2 + 2 = 5 for VERY large values of 2 |
| 07:08.50 | matti_hautameki | ahh |
| 07:09.01 | matti_hautameki | for sure |
| 07:09.09 | chut | anyone knows any text editor that support hyperlink? |
| 07:09.22 | nsadmin | any one |
| 07:09.48 | vikramverma | nsadmin: http://pastebin.com/W6NG8Ljk |
| 07:09.51 | chut | i mean when i paste the http link to the editor, i want able to click on it |
| 07:09.55 | chut | anyone knows any? |
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| 07:09.57 | nsadmin | just type the html of a hyperlink, then save the file... your server will send a hyperlink |
| 07:10.00 | matti_hautameki | vi |
| 07:10.03 | nascentmind | chut: vim |
| 07:10.12 | chut | ohh |
| 07:10.14 | chut | i use gedit |
| 07:10.22 | nsadmin | chut: text editors are not for that |
| 07:10.30 | matti_hautameki | gvim |
| 07:10.31 | chut | oh |
| 07:10.43 | nsadmin | it's not their purpose |
| 07:10.54 | nsadmin | you want a different kind of document for that |
| 07:11.00 | chut | oh |
| 07:11.08 | chut | which document nsadmin ? |
| 07:11.19 | nsadmin | html? |
| 07:11.22 | chut | oh |
| 07:11.31 | vikramverma | nsadmin is god <3 |
| 07:11.38 | nsadmin | and a wizzywig editor |
| 07:11.51 | nsadmin | does it work? |
| 07:11.59 | vikramverma | Perfectly, thanks. |
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| 07:12.48 | vikramverma | nsadmin: If you're ever in Singapore, I will totally buy you a coffee. |
| 07:12.57 | chut | thanks guuys |
| 07:13.08 | nsadmin | hands vikramverma a card, and a spark of lightning seems to follow it... |
| 07:13.40 | nsadmin | "nsadmin: godlike net configging especially when your net is almost set up already" |
| 07:13.55 | jpinx | vikramverma: you know jarick in .sg ? |
| 07:14.25 | vikramverma | jpinx: 'fraid not, should I? |
| 07:14.51 | jpinx | he lives there, but isn't in here atm... |
| 07:15.03 | zcat[1] | I keep textfiles of links occasionally, can just cat or less them in a terminal and they become clickable links |
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| 07:17.44 | nsadmin | vikramverma, stuff for your back pocket... |
| 07:17.56 | vikramverma | Eh? |
| 07:18.03 | nsadmin | lspci -nn for the pci ids of your devices |
| 07:18.20 | nsadmin | man 5 interfaces |
| 07:18.34 | nsadmin | to see most of what you can do |
| 07:19.07 | vikramverma | Okay, I'll read through it, and thanks for the help |
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| 07:24.01 | spo0nman | Hi, i have created a crontab file in /etc/cron.d/xyz and it's not getting picked other crontab files are running ... all files have same permissions ... how do i debug this? |
| 07:24.50 | nsadmin | some cron files include a username, some don't |
| 07:25.04 | nsadmin | why not just crontab -e? |
| 07:25.26 | nsadmin | at least you can test it |
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| 07:26.57 | spo0nman | nsadmin: i have loads of crontab entries and using files is the way to manage them sanely |
| 07:27.20 | spo0nman | sometimes i get CRON[5600]: Permission denied |
| 07:27.30 | spo0nman | how do i find out what it is about? |
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| 07:27.45 | nsadmin | what are you trying to run? |
| 07:27.53 | nsadmin | it looks like it's trying |
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| 07:28.19 | nsadmin | btw compare and contrast the format of /etc/crontab to other crontabs |
| 07:28.36 | nsadmin | notice that /etc/crontab's entries all have username before command |
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| 07:29.48 | spo0nman | nsadmin: the crontab entries are fine |
| 07:30.21 | nsadmin | which kind of entries are in /etc/cron.d? |
| 07:30.36 | zcat[1] | dependency based booting, huh? Let's see if it boots any faster! |
| 07:31.27 | nsadmin | zcat: or prevents daemons from starting if it knows network isn't started yet |
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| 07:51.28 | Ikarus | hrm, is /etc/cron.daily/apt on by default or am I misreading something ? |
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| 08:01.08 | Andorin | Fresh install of Debian, upgraded to squeeze. I seem to be having slight network trouble: the network manager says I don't have a connection, though I do. And it takes apps a moment to connect, it seems, which sometimes results in errors. |
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| 08:01.53 | buu | Andorin: What does ifconfig show? |
| 08:02.25 | Andorin | Looks normal to me. Want the output? |
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| 08:04.25 | vikramverma | Andorin: I've been encountering the same thing, but wicd is fine with it |
| 08:05.08 | Bushmills | Andorin: check whether you have a name server problem |
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| 08:05.35 | Andorin | This is a wired connection, btw. |
| 08:05.51 | Andorin | Bushmills: How would I go about doing that? |
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| 08:08.08 | Bushmills | try to ping a host you haven't pinged before, and look how long it takes until it shows the ip addresss. or use dig on a host, and look whether the replying name server is the same as the first in your resolv.conf. or dig @namerserver hostname your servers in resolv.conf explicitely and look whether they respond |
| 08:08.37 | Andorin | Oh, here's another question. I'm an Ubuntu user regularly and like sudo, so I edited my sudoers file to let me use it. Is there any way to make it to where apps like Synaptic and the Update Manager will accept my user password instead of the root password? |
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| 08:10.51 | Andorin | Oh, wait, here we go. I think I can change the launchers. |
| 08:11.02 | Bushmills | why don't you ask that on ubuntu, which seem the more authoritative channel for that question? |
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| 08:17.31 | mquin | Bushmills: I wouldn't have said the ubuntu channels were the right place for that, given that ubuntu behaves in the way Andorin wants without any modification, and he's asking how to make debian behave the same way |
| 08:17.58 | mquin | Andorin: "gconftool-2 -s /apps/gksu/sudo-mode --type=bool true" seems to be the incantation needed |
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| 08:18.54 | Bushmills | mquin: ubuntu is probably better informed of what has changed in ubuntu compared to debian. debian is probably less informed about what ubunut does differently. |
| 08:19.47 | Andorin | mquin: Excellent, thank you sir. |
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| 08:28.42 | ShishKabab | Does anyone here know of a nice daemon program to monitor my total memory usage? I'm planning to migrate a Debian server to another machine with less memory, but I'd like to monitor memory for ca. a week to see what the peak memory usage is... |
| 08:29.44 | jpinx | ShishKabab: not sure if top has a recording method |
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| 08:33.39 | Bushmills | ShishKabab: munin can do that, but may be overkill |
| 08:35.34 | Bushmills | example graph on memory usage looks like this: http://stats.bean-fw.net/localdomain/localhost.localdomain/memory.html |
| 08:36.57 | ShishKabab | Bushmills: Yes, it looks like overkill. I probably only need something like a python script that writes memory usage to a log file once every five minutes so I can extract the peak and average later on. |
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| 08:37.29 | ShishKabab | But, I'll keep it in my bookmarks, It looks really nice. |
| 08:37.30 | Bushmills | then save /proc/meminfo periodicaly |
| 08:37.38 | SlayerXP | given installing munin is a case of "aptitude install munin munin-node"..... |
| 08:37.43 | CountDuckula | ShishKabab: why not use vmstat or free -m commands and pipe output to a file? |
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| 08:37.56 | SlayerXP | and also memory usage itself isn't going to help you, you'll want to know about IO and swap usage |
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| 08:39.28 | ShishKabab | SlayerXP: Yes, you're probably right, I'd better look into munin, then ;). |
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| 08:41.04 | ShishKabab | Thanks everyone for your suggestions! |
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| 08:42.49 | jpinx-eeepc | ShishKabab: Cron this "date > memrecord && free | grep Mem >> memrecord" |
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| 08:43.45 | Bushmills | jpinx-eeepc: this will overwrite memrecord with each invocation |
| 08:43.55 | Bushmills | not much good for logging |
| 08:44.32 | jpinx-eeepc | Ooops - you're right - touch the file and then double >> for both items |
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| 08:44.58 | Bushmills | no need for touch, even |
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| 08:45.53 | jpinx-eeepc | he'll get a written record. might be better though to run it as a script with a "pause" between sampling |
| 08:46.02 | Bushmills | also, you can group date and free into one, needing one >> only |
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| 08:47.18 | jpinx-eeepc | waits for some of Bushmills script-fu ;) |
| 08:47.44 | Bushmills | (cmd1;cmd2)>>foo |
| 08:48.07 | pexy_ | where could i get etch amd64 install cd1 or netinstall cd? i have a machine which i can't upgrade to lenny, but i need to upgrade a software on that machine and i want to test the upgrade on a test machine before. |
| 08:48.54 | jpinx-eeepc | pexy_: archive.debian.org |
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| 08:49.04 | ShishKabab | jpinx-eeepc: Yes, that's a good idea. I could later on extract the useful parts. Thanks! |
| 08:49.30 | jpinx-eeepc | ShishKabab: I was waiting for Bushmills to write it ;) |
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| 08:49.37 | jpinx-eeepc | is lousy at scripts |
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| 08:49.56 | E-bola | Hello |
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| 08:49.59 | E-bola | If i cant find anything to notice in neither top, nor iotop, but my unix load is increasing how can i track down whats causing the load to go up? |
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| 08:50.14 | Bushmills | i usually tell about "what", not about "how" |
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| 08:50.45 | Bushmills | that's what man pages are for :) |
| 08:50.58 | E-bola | ... |
| 08:51.14 | Bushmills | E-bola: wasn't directed at you |
| 08:51.19 | E-bola | ohh ok :) |
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| 08:52.15 | isfranc | hello |
| 08:52.50 | waza-ari | Hey all. Can anyone explain me the behaviour of date shown here: http://nopaste.info/f9d6526f76.html? Date is not giving out the local time. Why? Thanks in advance |
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| 08:54.17 | jpinx-eeepc | Bushmills: yea - I'm just joshing you ;) |
| 08:54.20 | Bushmills | waza-ari: cat /etc/timezone |
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| 08:55.19 | waza-ari | cat /etc/timezone = Europe/Berlin |
| 08:55.44 | Bushmills | date and date -u any different? |
| 08:57.16 | waza-ari | date: Fri Jun 11 08:56:59 CEST 2010 |
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| 08:57.33 | waza-ari | date -u: Fri Jun 11 08:57:01 UTC 2010 |
| 08:58.20 | pexy_ | jpinx-eeepc: archive.debian.org has up to sarge images, i can't find etch amd64 netinst anywhere |
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| 08:59.15 | Bushmills | waza-ari: appears that your tzdata file for Europe/Berlin may be corrupted |
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| 08:59.40 | Bushmills | waza-ari: echo $TZ - anything there? |
| 09:00.11 | waza-ari | Bushmills: echo $TZ is CEST |
| 09:00.21 | thrashold | waza-ari: diff /etc/localtime /usr/share/zoneinfo/Europe/Berlin |
| 09:00.56 | waza-ari | thrashold: empty result. |
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| 09:01.56 | thrashold | waza-ari: You might try to: apt-get install --reinstall tzdata # and then try again? |
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| 09:03.42 | waza-ari | thrashold: |
| 09:04.55 | waza-ari | Nothing changed. It said, that Europe/Berlin is set as local timezone, and the time at this line is shown correctly. date still results in the wrong time |
| 09:05.16 | themill | !tz |
| 09:05.16 | dpkg | well, timezone is the standard time (aka local time) in a particular region. To change the timezone on Debian systems, execute "dpkg-reconfigure tzdata" (Lenny, Squeeze) or "tzconfig" (Etch). Alternatively: "cp -b /usr/share/zoneinfo/$TZ /etc/localtime". Note that tzselect(1) does not change the timezone. |
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| 09:06.22 | waza-ari | themill, thanks for your great help, diff /local/timezone to the correct one in /usr/share... showed no difference and dpgk-reconfigure has no effects on the result of date, thats why im asking... |
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| 09:07.11 | waza-ari | diff /local/localtime, sorry |
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| 09:07.39 | thrashold | waza-ari: unset TZ; date |
| 09:07.44 | thrashold | waza-ari: What does this do? |
| 09:08.15 | waza-ari | thrashold: now date shows the correct time... can you explain me why, please? |
| 09:08.18 | themill | I'd suggest changing it to something else and back again |
| 09:09.03 | thrashold | waza-ari: /etc/localtime is not read when TZ is set, /usr/share/zoneinfo/$TZ is read instead. /usr/share/zoneinfo/CEST doesn't exist |
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| 09:10.01 | waza-ari | yeah, true. it does not exist... thanks :) so... what to do to avoid this happening again? |
| 09:10.29 | thrashold | waza-ari: Best is to not set TZ, or set it to a value that is valid :) |
| 09:11.01 | petern_ | hmm, where can i see the changelog of packages before they're installed? |
| 09:11.33 | petern_ | 'Update Manager' nearly always just says 'The list of changes is not available yet.' |
| 09:11.33 | waza-ari | where do i set this TZ? i cannot remember i ever changed this... |
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| 09:16.12 | simonrvn | waza-ari: export TZ=foo |
| 09:16.48 | waza-ari | simonrvn: thanks. does this change permanantly? |
| 09:17.16 | mquin | if you want to change it permanently, system-wide, use "dpkg-reconfigure tzdata" |
| 09:17.18 | simonrvn | no. set it in .bashrc |
| 09:17.28 | simonrvn | or that |
| 09:18.25 | waza-ari | mquin: i used dpkg-reconfigure, this did not change anything. |
| 09:18.49 | simonrvn | you need to log out/in |
| 09:18.53 | mquin | waza-ari: it won't change anything for processes that are already running, but should take effect if you log in again |
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| 09:23.14 | mailmann | Hi, my server is sending email, i dont have open relay, doing mailq i see a lot of connections like A4FD873C853 3836 Thu Jun 10 11:34:24 MAILER-DAEMON (connect to bvs-inc.com[209.190.191.228]: Connection timed out) bnfojmmwe@bvs-inc.com |
| 09:23.45 | simonrvn | infected? |
| 09:25.30 | waza-ari | okay, thanks again for helping me |
| 09:25.30 | waza-ari | bye |
| 09:26.25 | Bushmills | mailmann: using some sort of spam checker? one which attempts to email back when a mail was found to be spam? |
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| 09:26.44 | simonrvn | i can't tell which direction it's headed... |
| 09:27.00 | simonrvn | doesn't grok postfix logs very well |
| 09:27.09 | jelly | mailmann: your machine might be generating backscatter. Inspect your mail logs to see which message that DSN was generated for. |
| 09:27.36 | mailmann | i think i have some php script sending emails, but i dont found i |
| 09:27.56 | IdeMaddy | you have a firewall? |
| 09:27.58 | Bushmills | in that case, don't. those addresses are usually spoofed. as you can see from no mail server sitting on that address. worse, itcan get you blacklisted, for spamming … |
| 09:27.59 | simonrvn | check /tmp ... |
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| 09:28.52 | IdeMaddy | probably you have a compromised pc on lan |
| 09:29.46 | mailmann | i think |
| 09:29.48 | cantido | mailmann: probably backscatter |
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| 09:31.03 | cantido | mailmann: you need to just drop deliveries to bad addresses etc so that your MTA doesn't send a bounce mail |
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| 09:32.12 | Bushmills | deliveries to non-existent addresses are usually rejected, not bounced |
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| 09:33.13 | cantido | Bushmills: sure? at least with exim the apparent sender gets a non-existent address mail from ye older postmaster |
| 09:33.27 | jelly | cantido: I would hope not. |
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| 09:34.12 | Bushmills | cantido: maybe a better of config. using postfix, it has been setup to not accept emails to addresses which don't exist - which seem to make a lot of sense to me. |
| 09:34.16 | mailmann | an example http://pastebin.com/Ex1qPvX6 |
| 09:34.17 | jelly | MTAs ought to reject mail at SMTP time, not accept it and make a NDR |
| 09:34.25 | Bushmills | matter |
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| 09:36.47 | cantido | jelly: non-existent "mailbox" at a accepted domain causes a bounce mail here |
| 09:36.52 | icebubble | can the etchnhalf kernel work with a lenny installation ? In other words can I upgrade from etchnhalf to lenny without updating the kernel |
| 09:36.54 | icebubble | ? |
| 09:36.54 | cantido | jelly: this is a default exim config |
| 09:37.14 | jelly | cantido: congrats, you have a backscattering setup |
| 09:37.18 | cantido | icebubble: udev etc from lenny probably won't like it |
| 09:37.37 | arafangion | jelly: Thanks for your help - my faulty eeePC (Only the keyboard is dead) happens to be making an *awesome* server. :) |
| 09:37.42 | jelly | cantido: if it's true, it's a _bad_ default |
| 09:37.48 | cantido | jelly: eh, well it is the "default" |
| 09:38.05 | icebubble | cantido, k thanx |
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| 09:38.23 | jelly | cantido: were I using exim, I'd seriously consider filing that as an Severity: important bug |
| 09:38.44 | jelly | good thing I don't give a flying fig about exim, then |
| 09:39.18 | cantido | well, what happens when a real person sends an email and mistypes the address? |
| 09:39.58 | jelly | they get a NDR from the previous MTA in the chain (typically, their own) |
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| 09:40.31 | Bushmills | cantido: that can also get you blacklisted, btw |
| 09:41.43 | cantido | Bushmills: considering that most of the blacklists contain huges blocks of ip address space for no reason that machine is probably blacklisted somewhere already |
| 09:42.01 | jelly | cantido: it could be you only tested sending locally via /usr/sbin/sendmail, not via smtp |
| 09:42.26 | cantido | jelly: that's true |
| 09:42.28 | jelly | cantido: I doubt exim package would have such broken defaults to generate backscatter |
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| 09:44.38 | cantido | jelly: sending from another host generates a non-delivery mail on the sending host, so you're right |
| 09:44.53 | jelly | that's how it's supposed to be |
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| 09:46.52 | arafangion | Awesome, my ISP hosts a debian mirror :) |
| 09:49.11 | cantido | mmm how come there are like 5 stable 2.6.x kernels? are they all getting updates? |
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| 09:50.59 | lindi- | cantido: which ones do yo umean? |
| 09:51.20 | cantido | lindi-: on the kernel.org page there are 5 "stable" releases |
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| 09:52.25 | lindi- | cantido: no idea on that. i thought you were talking about debian kernels |
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| 09:52.43 | Sia- | hi, can use DVD as mirorlist for install default apps? |
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| 09:53.27 | lindi- | Sia-: you can install packages from DVD yes. the concept of "default apps" does not really exist in debian however |
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| 09:53.51 | Bushmills | cantido: supposedly kernels for different architectures, and support for for example vserver compiled in or not? |
| 09:53.55 | Sia- | lindi-, but is DVD 1, or DVD2 ..etc |
| 09:54.04 | lindi- | Sia-: is what? |
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| 09:54.25 | Sia- | which one, icanø't understand this DVD numbers |
| 09:54.32 | cantido | Bushmills: mmm debian-wise I thought vserver was out in favour of LXC |
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| 09:54.39 | lindi- | Sia-: which one is what? ;) |
| 09:54.47 | lindi- | Sia-: they all contain packages |
| 09:54.51 | Bushmills | vserver kernels are still provided |
| 09:55.17 | Sia- | lindi-, and why they have deference numbers? |
| 09:55.40 | lindi- | Sia-: debian does not fit to a single DVD |
| 09:55.52 | lindi- | Sia-: so you need multiple DVDs |
| 09:56.03 | Sia- | lindi-, then the DVD does't make any sense |
| 09:56.09 | Sia- | forget it |
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| 09:56.51 | lindi- | Sia-: I haven't used optical media for ages anyway :) |
| 09:56.55 | nogo | the internet is the best dvd |
| 09:57.09 | arafangion | lindi-: One can argue that the defaults are whatever tasksel selects, but by default only a few options are set. |
| 09:57.22 | Bushmills | netinstaller on pxe boot or usb stick is handy |
| 09:58.04 | Sia- | nogo, i need debian DVD for a computer since college in North irak (kurdistan) and their is no DSL available, still dialup connection |
| 09:58.08 | nogo | and you are controlled by the upstream |
| 09:58.29 | lindi- | Sia-: just take http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.4/amd64/iso-dvd/debian-504-amd64-DVD-1.iso then |
| 09:58.45 | Bushmills | Sia-: dvd1 should contain all you need |
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| 09:59.11 | Sia- | lindi-, i386 is better for those people yet :) thnx alot |
| 09:59.22 | nogo | in my case, i don't want that the wizards make choices for me, in details of compilation |
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| 10:03.29 | Arafangion | Sia-: i386 refers to the architecture, not the exact CPU used. |
| 10:04.14 | gynter | yes |
| 10:04.17 | Bushmills | probably meaning "some are not likely to have the latest CPUs" |
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| 10:04.54 | Sia- | Arafangion, i know 64bit mean => 4GB RAM before that make no deference |
| 10:05.13 | Arafangion | Sia-: You'd be wrong, then. :) |
| 10:05.19 | gynter | yes |
| 10:05.34 | Sia- | Arafangion, 100% right |
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| 10:09.25 | Arafangion | Hmm, in screen... Does anyone know how to switch between splits? Using C-a tab is cumbersome. |
| 10:11.05 | wash | I think you can redefine key bindings in screen. |
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| 10:16.48 | sepult | anyone knows, why the mouse pointer would jump from time to time from the point of being to some arbitrary position ? |
| 10:18.04 | EmleyMoor | sepult: Without being touched? |
| 10:18.14 | cast | faulty HW |
| 10:18.25 | sepult | EmleyMoor: yes, that's surprising me everytime |
| 10:18.35 | cast | a failed trojan, a haywire driver |
| 10:19.34 | Arafangion | Any idea why I might be getting this: ls: unparsable value for LS_COLORS environment variable |
| 10:20.04 | Arafangion | My TERM is 'screen', which is correct. |
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| 10:20.46 | Arafangion | Ahh... Asked too soon - bug=544871 |
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| 10:25.16 | emilsedgh | i installed nvidia driver using the manual on wiki. however, the last step is about manually editing xorg.conf. however, newer x versions dont have xorg.conf anymore. how can i change the driver now? |
| 10:25.59 | cast | debian is a free operating systems |
| 10:26.02 | cast | -s |
| 10:26.03 | cast | ducks |
| 10:27.13 | Arafangion | wacks cast for being so helpful |
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| 10:27.35 | cast | i'm helping him avoid proprietary software traps! |
| 10:28.48 | Arafangion | Yeah, well the world of 3D graphics isn't fantastic in this arena. :( |
| 10:29.50 | emilsedgh | my brother is ripping me apart. he wants to play frozen-bubble but with open drivers thats slow |
| 10:29.52 | emilsedgh | :) |
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| 10:30.21 | Arafangion | emilsedgh: With nvidia, that's true. |
| 10:30.37 | cast | perhaps, regardless we pick freedom over convenience :), notice official debian isn't littered with non-free-but-its-really-useful binaries |
| 10:31.20 | emilsedgh | what i can do is to install current nonfree drivers and hope for noveaoux project ;) |
| 10:31.33 | Arafangion | cast: Frankly, I'm happy as long as it's not ATI. Damn those years with ATI was painful. |
| 10:32.01 | cast | emilsedgh: sure. in that case support should be coming from NVIDIA |
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| 10:32.18 | Arafangion | emilsedgh: You could introduce your brother to nethack, permanently harming his dating posibilities and guaranteeing that you won't hate his future wife. ;) |
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| 10:33.02 | emilsedgh | hehe, well, he is 10. the fact that he knows Debian, Gentoo, KDE, Ubuntu, and the fact that he prefers them to Windows, makes me feel like a winner ;) |
| 10:33.14 | cast | coding challenges are much more fruitful than typical computer games :) |
| 10:33.58 | Arafangion | It would be an usual 10-year-old who likes coding. |
| 10:34.31 | cast | 10 year olds are smart enough, |
| 10:34.58 | Arafangion | That may be the case, but they have too much of what is called "life" to sit down for long enough. |
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| 10:35.23 | cast | indeed. physical games are much better :) |
| 10:35.42 | cast | the last thing anyone needs is to sit infront of a box more in their life |
| 10:35.48 | Arafangion | Agreed. |
| 10:36.25 | Arafangion | There'll be time enough for him later to spend all but 1 of his waking hours infront of a computer. |
| 10:36.33 | Bushmills | respawning is easier in games |
| 10:36.45 | Bushmills | computer games |
| 10:37.08 | Arafangion | Bushmills: The Hindu peoples may take offense at that. :) |
| 10:37.12 | cast | Bushmills: but not the same sense of adversion to dying! takes away the feeling of reward |
| 10:38.22 | Arafangion | emilsedgh: I'd tell you, but I've forgotten how it was done, I do know that I didn't quite do it the "proper" way, so I'll pay for my sins during the next upgrade. |
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| 10:38.46 | Bushmills | Arafangion: while reincarnation is considered normal for Hindu people, nothing is said about the difficulty to to so, afaik |
| 10:39.48 | Arafangion | will concede that point. |
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| 10:40.17 | emilsedgh | yeah, i prefer him to go play outside |
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| 10:41.31 | Bushmills | unless you're typing away on IRC :D |
| 10:41.33 | Arafangion | That said, frozen bubble isn't that bad a game. |
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| 10:42.00 | cast | time crisis will give him shooting skills transferable to rl :) |
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| 10:42.52 | Arafangion | cast: Has that been confirmed? |
| 10:43.00 | Arafangion | cast: Is it really transferrable? |
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| 10:44.01 | cast | confirmed by me with a bb gun and air pistol! |
| 10:44.18 | Arafangion | When I was a kid... All I had was stargoose... And wolf3d - but the latter was too violent for mum to let me play it! |
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| 10:44.40 | cast | i'm refering to time crisis with a plastic gun :) |
| 10:45.34 | cast | i believe military/police use similar simulators, primary difference being a wider field of fire possible, but same fundamentals |
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| 10:51.10 | Arafangion | cast: I've heard that the military has also been interested in such games, but I remain cynical unless one has HUGE monitors. |
| 10:51.27 | Arafangion | cast: And an actual "gun", not a hockeypuck. |
| 10:51.28 | Bushmills | or immersive projection |
| 10:51.36 | Arafangion | Or that. |
| 10:52.02 | cast | sec |
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| 10:55.55 | icebubble | how can I use the 75-persistent-net-generator.rules |
| 10:56.00 | icebubble | ? |
| 10:56.17 | icebubble | it doesn't seem to be a shell script |
| 10:57.21 | karme | icebubble: is used automatically |
| 10:57.26 | karme | icebubble: read the first line |
| 10:57.50 | karme | icebubble: uhh the second line |
| 10:58.39 | icebubble | karme, These rules generate rules to keep network interface names unchanged across reboots and write them to /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules. |
| 10:58.45 | icebubble | you talk about this one ? |
| 10:58.50 | karme | icebubble: exactly |
| 10:59.04 | icebubble | nothing says it's seard at startup |
| 10:59.44 | karme | icebubble: it is used automatically and the result of that should be in the file those line mentions |
| 11:00.23 | icebubble | karme, ok can I manually make it write his rules ? |
| 11:00.43 | themill | wonders what icebubble is really trying to do |
| 11:00.45 | karme | icebubble: it didn't create rules for you? |
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| 11:00.57 | cast | Arafangion: looks kinda coolhttp://www.mcsira.com/web/8888/nsf/sbs.py?&_ID=11858&did=3128&PF=1&G=10392&SM=11858&lang=EN&_UserReference=63C3430A7A6259124C12165D, there are 360 degree ones but the vendor sites had flash :( |
| 11:01.05 | icebubble | I'm trying to upgrade to lenny but I think there's a problem with the new udev... |
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| 11:01.40 | icebubble | I'm on ssh and if the server fails to reboot I can't access it anymore ! |
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| 11:02.44 | xNice | hello....is the torrentflux package for debian stable now? i notice it was not fully working |
| 11:02.47 | icebubble | Lenny release notes says For network devices, you can avoid this reordering by using udev rules, more specifically, through the definitions at /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules |
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| 11:03.02 | icebubble | So that's what I'm trying to do |
| 11:03.26 | karme | icebubble: and at the moment your 70-... file is empty? |
| 11:03.36 | icebubble | karme, is'nt there |
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| 11:04.32 | icebubble | but I only did my aptitude upgrade and I did not reboot (since it would fail) |
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| 11:05.37 | icebubble | themill, have you ever tryied to prevent network devices reordering by using udev rules, more specifically, through the definitions at /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules |
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| 11:07.40 | yowlst | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:11.31 | cast | yowlst: thats a HW question |
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| 11:14.26 | icebubble | is there any entry for the network interfaces in /dev ? |
| 11:15.52 | [SkG] | Hi, is a good way to remove init services with rcconf? |
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| 11:20.23 | karme | uses sysv-rc-conf ... sysv-rc-conf foo off |
| 11:20.40 | Bushmills | [SkG]: you have update-rc.d, already installed, which may need a bit of getting used to. for more frequent manual editing, consider to look at file-rc |
| 11:21.30 | [SkG] | ty |
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| 11:27.07 | icebubble | this script /lib/udev/write_net_rules does what I need i think, but I fail to use it correctly. Any leads ? maybe it needs some arguments ? |
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| 11:43.28 | Arafangion | Wierd... My MBR had somehow died. |
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| 11:44.33 | abrotman | but the rest of the disk survived? |
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| 11:45.42 | Arafangion | abrotman: Yeah, it's weird. |
| 11:46.14 | ronr | hi, I'm trying to setup my debian servers to use less power, step 1 was adding cpufrequency and using the ondemand governor, this works, are there other things I can do? anyone knows a good howto or something for this stuff? |
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| 11:46.30 | Arafangion | ronr: You could use low-power hardware. |
| 11:46.32 | LetoPoole | ronr: deactivate any service you don't need |
| 11:46.39 | abrotman | ronr: powertop, lesswatts.org |
| 11:47.09 | LetoPoole | ronr: laptop-mode tools lets you control some of that stuff (suspend usb, cpufreq and mucho more) |
| 11:47.19 | LetoPoole | ronr: don't let the laptop thing confuse you |
| 11:47.22 | Bushmills | ronr: what does your server serve? |
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| 11:47.43 | Arafangion | abrotman: I had a cryptic error when I was booting - which I have unfortuantely forgotten. It smells of a BIOS problem. |
| 11:48.03 | Arafangion | will just need to watch it. |
| 11:48.03 | ronr | Bushmills: they're just your every basic lamp servers |
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| 11:48.24 | Bushmills | ah. too much for generic router hardhare. |
| 11:48.34 | ronr | LetoPoole: abrotman: thx for the suggestions, I'm going to check them out |
| 11:49.06 | Bushmills | my wlan router here took over some server functionality successfully |
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| 11:50.28 | ronr | Bushmills: these are actually about very similar 20 servers |
| 11:51.28 | Arafangion | ronr: Consolidate!@ |
| 11:52.00 | Bushmills | ronr: recently i converted 4 dedicated server into one more powerful machine, where they are running as vservers now |
| 11:52.27 | Bushmills | doesn't save just electricity, but also money :D |
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| 11:53.21 | ronr | Bushmills: the next I'm investing in new hardware that's going to be an option, for now I have to make due with the hardware I got |
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| 11:54.47 | crypttab | I get "Command unknown: 'AUTH' at /usr/bin/git-send-email line 775, <STDIN> line 1." when I try to run 'git send-email'. This is Debian Linux 5. What am I missing? |
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| 11:56.13 | abrotman | aptitude changelog foo |
| 11:56.20 | abrotman | or packages.debian.org/pkgname |
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| 11:56.44 | jpinx-eeepc | ronr: with upgraded cpu and ram you might be abloe to run vservers now |
| 11:57.29 | Arafangion | ronr: If the bottleneck is mostly in the HDD's, you could still consolidate, I would believe. |
| 11:58.38 | ronr | jpinx-eeepc: I do run some vservers om them, most servers however are just running productions servers right now for clients and contracts do say they have a right to use all the hardware in that server |
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| 11:59.41 | jpinx-eeepc | ronr: itĺl depend on your contracts I suppose, but most people are happy with vservers - some can't even tell they are on one ;) |
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| 12:00.55 | ronr | jpinx-eeepc: true, most really don't need it but in marketing most will happily pay more to get the feeling that it's really their server, sure technically they gain nothing but few people know enough about that to realize it |
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| 12:01.43 | kripz | What is the difference between linux-image-2.6-amd64 and linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64? linux-image-2.6-amd64 has latest version: 2.6.32+27 whereas linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64 has latest version: 2.6.32-9 |
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| 12:02.07 | Arafangion | ronr: Then price them accordingly, and quit complaining about not being able to consolidate. :) |
| 12:02.52 | ronr | Arafangion: :) I didn't realize I was complaining, just trying to save a bit of electricity |
| 12:02.57 | jpinx-eeepc | ronr: debian seems to work really well as both host and guest |
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| 12:03.44 | jpinx-eeepc | ronr: the saving in power is nothing compared to consolidating rto vservers on one machine |
| 12:04.36 | fireba11 | kripz: linux-image-2.6-amd64 is a metapackage |
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| 12:06.59 | crypttab | In which package are the OpenSSL dev files? |
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| 12:09.26 | jelly | kripz: the shorter named package always depends on the latest supported kernel package of that flavor |
| 12:10.18 | jelly | kripz: so in 3-6 months, if you have newest linux-image-2.6-amd64, it'll pull in something like linux-image-2.6.34-1-amd64 or whatever |
| 12:10.27 | kripz | jelly i see |
| 12:10.28 | kripz | thx |
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| 12:23.58 | seal20 | hello |
| 12:24.02 | tlhiv_laptop | i need to install dpkg-1.14.18 in Etch, but i'm a Debian newb and i don't know how to "unmask" (sorry i'm a gentoo user) a later version than 1.13.26 |
| 12:24.47 | themill | !wayttd tlhiv_laptop |
| 12:24.47 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, tlhiv_laptop? |
| 12:24.56 | h3xis | i have a custom built kernel. i'm also trying to remove linux-libc-dev because it's used for 2.6.32, but no package manager will let me because other packages supposedly depend on it. is there a way to remove it? |
| 12:24.59 | seal20 | i trie to install my macbook pro with the current tutorial |
| 12:25.11 | seal20 | but it's doesn't work |
| 12:25.23 | seal20 | i could boot to grub |
| 12:26.01 | jelly | h3xis: what other packages depend on it, and why do you care? |
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| 12:26.29 | h3xis | jelly, a bunch. and i care because it wants to be upgraded and i'm afraid it will break things if i allow it to |
| 12:27.10 | jelly | h3xis: are you upgrading libc6 at this time as well? |
| 12:27.26 | jpinx-eeepc | h3xis: aptitude has a -why option iirc |
| 12:27.45 | h3xis | jelly, no |
| 12:27.59 | tlhiv_laptop | themill: i'm trying to install texlive 2007, and i'm following the instructions for TL2007 for Etch on TeXLive's website, but doing a `apt-get install <some texlive package>` gives for example the following hickup |
| 12:28.01 | tlhiv_laptop | ex-common: Depends: dpkg (>= 1.14.18) but 1.13.26 is to be installed |
| 12:28.05 | tlhiv_laptop | tex-common: Depends: dpkg (>= 1.14.18) but 1.13.26 is to be installed |
| 12:28.08 | jelly | h3xis: this package provides headers that match what libc6 was built against |
| 12:28.34 | h3xis | jelly, okay. so upgrading it shouldn't break my custom built kernel? |
| 12:28.44 | themill | tlhiv_laptop: it's really time to be upgrading to lenny in any case. And then you get texlive2007 automatically. |
| 12:28.52 | jelly | h3xis: definitely not, it only affects userspace |
| 12:28.58 | h3xis | okay thanks :) |
| 12:29.12 | jelly | h3xis: NO WARRANTY |
| 12:29.16 | h3xis | ;) |
| 12:29.21 | tlhiv_laptop | this is not my machine and i don't have full (only remote) access to it ... i can't really do an upgrade right now as the folks that own this are relying on this for other things |
| 12:29.37 | tlhiv_laptop | they need it stable like it is |
| 12:30.05 | jelly | tlhiv_laptop: please patebin the output of "apt-cache policy libc6 dpkg tex-common" |
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| 12:31.02 | tlhiv_laptop | jelly: http://pastebin.tlhiv.org/nsSN3tCb |
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| 12:31.26 | tlhiv_laptop | oops ignore the first 20 or so lines :-/ |
| 12:31.50 | themill | tlhiv_laptop: hmm... do understand that etch is past its expiry date and is no longer receiving security updates. (for over 4 months now!) You really need to work out how and when you're going to upgrade to lenny. |
| 12:32.01 | jelly | tlhiv_laptop: your tex repo has packages built for some release newer than etch. It's NOT made for etch. |
| 12:32.28 | themill | tlhiv_laptop: actually, ISTR texlive 2007 is available from etch-backports anyway |
| 12:32.30 | tlhiv_laptop | but the instructions on TUG's website specifically give instructions for installing on Etch |
| 12:32.56 | tlhiv_laptop | http://www.tug.org/texlive/debian.html |
| 12:32.56 | themill | tlhiv_laptop: that just makes the instructions either wrong or stupid (or both). You shouldn't be upgrading dpkg within a release. |
| 12:32.58 | jpinx-eeepc | won't be the first time a website has been wrong... |
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| 12:33.14 | jelly | tlhiv_laptop: remove the tl2007 repo, see if what etch-backports gives you is good enough |
| 12:33.30 | diago | What does "open count of logical volume" mean when using lvdisplay? |
| 12:33.30 | themill | ,versions texlive-base-bin |
| 12:33.31 | judd | texlive-base-bin -- etch: 2005.dfsg.2-13; etch-backports: 2007.dfsg.2-3~bpo40+1; lenny: 2007.dfsg.2-4+lenny2 |
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| 12:34.33 | tlhiv_laptop | yes i have 2005 ... i need 2007 |
| 12:34.47 | jelly | tlhiv_laptop: install it from etch-backports. |
| 12:34.59 | themill | tlhiv_laptop: see what judd just wrote ^^ and /msg dpkg bpo |
| 12:35.01 | tlhiv_laptop | i'm trying but i guess i don't know how |
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| 12:37.28 | jelly | tlhiv_laptop: something like apt-get -t etch-backports install tex-common |
| 12:37.57 | jelly | or whatever the crown package name is |
| 12:38.01 | tlhiv_laptop | that's when i get this dpkg version error |
| 12:38.26 | themill | thrashold: you should remove that non-debian repo first though. |
| 12:38.28 | jelly | tlhiv_laptop: even after disabling the tl2007 repo? |
| 12:38.30 | themill | tlhiv_laptop: ^^ |
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| 12:39.13 | tlhiv_laptop | ok now it's updating |
| 12:39.25 | tlhiv_laptop | oh but wait |
| 12:39.38 | tlhiv_laptop | it's saying all my packages are at the latest version :-/ |
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| 12:41.32 | tlhiv_laptop | should i just have this? |
| 12:41.33 | tlhiv_laptop | deb http://www.backports.org/debian etch-backports main |
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| 12:43.38 | jelly | tlhiv_laptop: can you do "apt-cache policy libc6 dpkg tex-common texlive-base-bin" |
| 12:44.08 | jelly | tlhiv_laptop: does apt-get -t etch-backports install texlive-base-bin want to install something or not? |
| 12:44.16 | tlhiv_laptop | http://pastebin.tlhiv.org/BOTd2B9U |
| 12:44.32 | jelly | tlhiv_laptop: it says all the packages are latest because backports are not sued automatically |
| 12:44.35 | jelly | used* |
| 12:45.41 | jelly | yeah. so install texlive-base-bin and other necessary bits from etch-backports |
| 12:45.51 | jelly | I have no idea what the bits are ;-) |
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| 12:46.05 | tlhiv_laptop | i'm getting this |
| 12:46.07 | tlhiv_laptop | http://pastebin.tlhiv.org/jI2j5Apn |
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| 12:47.17 | jelly | tlhiv_laptop: hmph. what about aptitude install texlive-base-bin=2007.dfsg.2-3~bpo40+1 |
| 12:48.11 | tlhiv_laptop | that wants to work |
| 12:48.26 | jelly | tlhiv_laptop: what does it say? |
| 12:48.31 | tlhiv_laptop | how can i find the version for each one of my TL packages that needs to be upgraded |
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| 12:49.03 | tlhiv_laptop | jelly: http://pastebin.tlhiv.org/stBE6cDi |
| 12:49.05 | jelly | anyhoo, there actually is no texlive-common (>= 2007) in etch-backports |
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| 12:49.32 | jelly | tlhiv_laptop: I suppose you don't want to do that |
| 12:49.38 | tlhiv_laptop | right |
| 12:49.58 | tlhiv_laptop | i don't know what the "crown packages" (as you call it) is that i need to install for TL2007 |
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| 12:50.13 | jelly | metapackages |
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| 12:50.38 | jelly | that backport is incomplete, and the maintainers' repo has packages for lenny |
| 12:50.54 | ethanol | tlhiv_laptop: just upgrade to lenny, problem solved. |
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| 12:51.11 | plus_M | So I just installed the nvidia binary blob using the method outlined here (http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Usemodule-assistant) and restarted X, but it seems X loaded the nv driver anyway. I am not using an xorg.conf |
| 12:51.27 | tlhiv_laptop | i can't do that ethanol ... it's not my machine, and the owner is in the middle of a project that he can't upgrade right now |
| 12:51.28 | plus_M | How do I make X use the binary blob? |
| 12:51.39 | ethanol | tlhiv_laptop: then learn to live with less. |
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| 12:52.32 | rahsputin | hi. i am trying to create my own module for: 057c:62ff AVM GmbH WLAN USB v1.1 using the linux-package from the AVM website. my kernel version is: 2.6.31-22-generic and i have linux-header-'uname -r' and so forth installed.... since i havent found "ANY" howto on how to build it myself... : here is some data i have collected to my topic on the AVM WLAN USB: fwlanusb.ko module http://pastebin.com/71i606CE |
| 12:52.51 | jelly | tlhiv_laptop: or try asking the maintainer to make actual packages for etch ;-) |
| 12:53.05 | tlhiv_laptop | grrrr |
| 12:53.20 | lindi- | rahsputin: you writing your own driver for it? |
| 12:53.25 | jelly | rahsputin: that sounds like an ubuntu kernel version |
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| 12:54.38 | rahsputin | it is, here on this machine... i use debian squeeze on my laptop |
| 12:55.20 | rahsputin | but it would be worth wild for both |
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| 12:56.26 | lindi- | ? |
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| 12:57.44 | rahsputin | lindi-: well it doesnt run on my Debain Laptop ( which is a bit slower ... ) and neither on my ubuntu PC.... |
| 12:57.52 | rahsputin | the wlan stick i mean |
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| 12:58.51 | Salvia | bom dia :D |
| 12:59.08 | rahsputin | i could also build it for 2.6.32-trunk-i386 |
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| 12:59.34 | rahsputin | i would just like to know how to to create it |
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| 13:00.53 | rahsputin | i also create from time to time as "rahbertlee" howtos in debian forums... nothing big, but this would also be something for me to add |
| 13:01.31 | rahsputin | since there is like nothing out there to orientate on/from |
| 13:01.53 | wash | Does anyone know if either firefox or chromium supports news:// urls, either natively or through plugins? |
| 13:02.50 | Arafangion | wash: You could just... give it a go? |
| 13:02.56 | Arafangion | wash: They're not hard to install. |
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| 13:21.23 | Appetite | there we go themill, thanks. |
| 13:21.39 | themill | np |
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| 13:24.37 | AlexC_ | morning |
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| 13:25.24 | aleray | themill, thanks for this dpkg precision. How can I configure my x keyboard then ? |
| 13:25.25 | jan__ | hi |
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| 13:25.32 | AlexC_ | where is the best place to store files which contain credentials on the filesystem? A script setups something up, then stores the credentials in a file - but where is the best place for these to go, I want to always have access to them (but not in a users home directory) |
| 13:25.48 | AlexC_ | I was thinking /var - however the files them selves don't change at all once created |
| 13:25.58 | themill | aleray: lenny or squeeze? |
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| 13:26.29 | aleray | themill, squeeze |
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| 13:27.08 | tgywa | Hello |
| 13:27.23 | tgywa | how can install .gz file with apt? |
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| 13:27.37 | lindi- | tgywa: what .gz file is that? |
| 13:27.51 | themill | aleray: dpkg suggested "xorg config squeeze" as a good place for further information. /msg dpkg xorg config squeeze |
| 13:27.52 | Number5_ | Hello guys, I have some difficulties on building wireshark dissector on Lenny. I built Wireshark from source succesfully, but when I want to add a custom wireshark plugin from source, I get several errors. |
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| 13:28.06 | aleray | themill, thanks |
| 13:28.18 | tgywa | lindi-, /media/apt/dists/lucid/main/binary-amd64/Packages.gz |
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| 13:28.34 | jan__ | i've mounted my external hdd ('mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt/hdd') |
| 13:28.38 | lindi- | tgywa: that's not something you can install. |
| 13:28.39 | SuperAlekZ | does one of you geniuses have a solution to this? -> http://paste.debian.net/77008/ |
| 13:28.43 | jan__ | and now i treid to copy some files |
| 13:28.53 | jan__ | but the hdd is read-only |
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| 13:29.11 | jan__ | have i done something wrong or how could i change it?? |
| 13:30.00 | tgywa | lindi-, when I run apt-cdrom add -d /media/apt ...got error message ... skipping file |
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| 13:30.08 | Number5_ | SuperAlekZ: maybe you need to attach 12750 |
| 13:30.18 | SuperAlekZ | Number5_: how to do that? :S |
| 13:30.40 | Number5_ | screen -r 12750 |
| 13:30.48 | tgywa | lindi-, and one of those files is the one I mentioned above |
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| 13:33.45 | jan__ | does nobody know? |
| 13:34.39 | SuperAlekZ | http://paste.debian.net/77010/ |
| 13:34.41 | tgywa | lindi-, shall i try unzip the .gz package .. so that I can install packages taht I need |
| 13:34.44 | bolt-work | jan__: what filesystem is on your external harddrive? |
| 13:34.45 | Number5_ | jan__: what's the problem with readonly, this doesn't mean you can't copy |
| 13:34.47 | SuperAlekZ | Number5_: now that's the case |
| 13:34.58 | bolt-work | jan__: ntfs? |
| 13:35.02 | lindi- | tgywa: no, it's not a package |
| 13:35.16 | Number5_ | SuperAlekZ: what do you mean |
| 13:35.32 | SuperAlekZ | well i wrote screen -r 12750, but there's the same message |
| 13:35.32 | tgywa | lindi-, how can I use the CD rom to install packages from it ....? |
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| 13:36.07 | Number5_ | SuperAlekZ: check on google how to do that, maybe without "-r" option |
| 13:36.28 | lindi- | tgywa: it's an ubuntu cd, i have not used it sorry |
| 13:36.46 | tgywa | lindi-, it is ubuntu cd |
| 13:36.47 | jan__ | bolt-work: i'm not sure |
| 13:36.49 | tgywa | any idea |
| 13:36.59 | jan__ | i bought it and i havn't used it yet |
| 13:37.06 | bolt-work | probably ntfs, then |
| 13:37.07 | bolt-work | !tell jan__ about ntfs-3g |
| 13:37.10 | lindi- | tgywa: there's this #ubuntu that might know |
| 13:37.26 | jan__ | bolt-work: how can i check? |
| 13:37.37 | bolt-work | jan__: if you're only going to use it with linux, reformat it with ext3 or something |
| 13:37.45 | SuperAlekZ | Number5_: can't find anyhting on google |
| 13:37.54 | Number5_ | SuperAlekZ: are you already on a screen session? If so, do this Ctrl+n |
| 13:38.02 | bolt-work | jan__: fdisk. check fs type on partition |
| 13:38.15 | Number5_ | which jumps to the next session |
| 13:38.34 | Number5_ | repeat that until you're on that session you want. |
| 13:38.43 | bolt-work | jan__: but if you just bought it, it's most likely ntfs. just use ntfs-3g and you get write support |
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| 13:42.02 | jan__ | bolt-work: is ntfs-3g a tool? |
| 13:42.15 | bolt-work | check what dpkg told you 5 minutes ago |
| 13:42.20 | SuperAlekZ | Number5_: ctrl + n doesn't do anything :( |
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| 13:42.57 | nsadmin | jan__: a set of tools and a filesystem driver |
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| 13:43.21 | jan__ | bolt-work: thanks havn't seen dpkg |
| 13:43.21 | AlexC_ | a bash script of mine sets something up, then stores the credentials in a file - but where is the best place for these to go, I want to always have access to them (but not in a users home directory). I thought /var but these files do not change at all once created |
| 13:43.27 | jan__ | i'm new in irssi |
| 13:43.48 | Number5_ | SuperAlekZ: what do you get if you do: screen -ls |
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| 13:44.21 | SuperAlekZ | Number5_: this here http://paste.debian.net/ |
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| 13:44.59 | Number5_ | SuperAlekZ: give the right link |
| 13:45.02 | Micromus | olorin_ :) |
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| 13:45.22 | nsadmin | jan__: dpkg may have sent you a priv /msg |
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| 13:46.47 | SuperAlekZ | Number5_: sorry copy/paste fail -> http://paste.debian.net/77012/ |
| 13:46.55 | nsadmin | jan__: just so I know, how much experience have you had with linux and what has you wanting it now? |
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| 13:47.30 | olorin_ | Micromus: Try to ask the boys and girls here. |
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| 13:48.16 | jan__ | nsadmin: i'm using linux for abaout 1,5years |
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| 13:48.29 | jan__ | but i changed to debian just 3 weeks ago |
| 13:48.36 | jan__ | i used linux mint before |
| 13:49.30 | Number5_ | SuperAlekZ: try otherwise this: http://paste.debian.net/77012/ |
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| 13:49.47 | Number5_ | SuperAlekZ: try otherwise this: screen -r 12750.tf27035 |
| 13:50.01 | Ruint | the install notes for debian-kfreebsd only link me to a 111mb iso, is there a dvd iso available? |
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| 13:53.18 | SuperAlekZ | Number5_: tried that already :( |
| 13:53.21 | SuperAlekZ | very strange that it doesnt work |
| 13:53.47 | Number5_ | SuperAlekZ: yes it's strange too. |
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| 13:55.09 | Number5_ | SuperAlekZ: try this: ps -aux | grep 12750 |
| 13:55.10 | lontra | hi i can't create a new directory on my usb media or write to it as a regular user or a super user. what can i do to fix this |
| 13:55.45 | lontra | it says 'operation not permitted' |
| 13:55.52 | SuperAlekZ | http://paste.debian.net/77014/ Number5_ |
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| 13:56.56 | Number5_ | SuperAlekZ: try this: Ctrl_A d |
| 13:57.13 | Number5_ | SuperAlekZ: after that do: screen -r 12750.tf27035 |
| 13:57.49 | nsadmin | jan__: oh, ok |
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| 14:00.59 | SuperAlekZ | Number5_: does not work, but I also am in no screen |
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| 14:02.53 | Number5_ | SuperAlekZ: you're screen is somehow put into sleep, it's like waiting for an event. What do you run in that screen session? |
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| 14:03.07 | SuperAlekZ | a team fortress 2 gameserver |
| 14:03.11 | SuperAlekZ | and the server is online :o |
| 14:03.19 | SuperAlekZ | totally frickin crazy i tell ya |
| 14:03.51 | Number5_ | is that gameserver still running well? |
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| 14:05.25 | AlexC_ | how can I get a users home directory via bash? |
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| 14:06.34 | Sm0ke0ut | echo $HOME |
| 14:06.45 | AlexC_ | not my current user |
| 14:07.13 | Number5_ | SuperAlekZ: you might try to ssh to your box and try attach it again. Otherwise I can't help you sorry. |
| 14:07.14 | Sm0ke0ut | parsing the /etc/passwd |
| 14:07.27 | Arafangion | WHat's the recommended way to add swap? I've just repartitioned my HDD, but how do I ensure that I'm always referring to the same partition? |
| 14:07.36 | AlexC_ | fair enough, is that reliable though? Seems like there should be a command to get it |
| 14:07.37 | Arafangion | Do I use UUID's or what? How do I find those? |
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| 14:08.06 | SuperAlekZ | Number5_: i already disconnected and reconnected :/ |
| 14:08.08 | nsadmin | Arafangion: I don't think swap space has uuids |
| 14:08.08 | Sm0ke0ut | I've no clue if there's a specific command. But I suppose; if there is. it would parse the /etc/passwd as well |
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| 14:08.40 | starenka__ | is there a similar tool to klinkstatus for cli? (i know i can wget battle mage, but i don't like to :D ).. thanks you |
| 14:08.43 | Arafangion | nsadmin: Then what's the point of having UUID's? |
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| 14:09.14 | Arafangion | nsadmin: I mean... We use them to ensure that we don't accidentially mess it up when partitions are somehow recognised differently. |
| 14:09.27 | nsadmin | true |
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| 14:09.34 | Arafangion | nsadmin: Yet swap doesn't have UUIDs', if true, wouldn't the same assumption (that they can be confused) apply to them? |
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| 14:09.55 | jordanm | Arafangion: IMO partition labels are the most reliable |
| 14:09.57 | nsadmin | I guess they would... not sure what to do about that |
| 14:10.20 | nsadmin | what's your particular situation tho? are we talking about an external drive? |
| 14:10.26 | jordanm | not all filesystems support labels though |
| 14:10.48 | Arafangion | nsadmin: Internal, but I've noticed that when upgrading the kernel, the fstab was converted to use UUID's instead. |
| 14:11.07 | nsadmin | yeah I noticed that too |
| 14:11.10 | jordanm | Arafangion: sounds like a stable -> testing upgrade |
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| 14:11.32 | nsadmin | well in my case it's not... I'm using lenny with backport kernel |
| 14:11.54 | Arafangion | jordanm: testing -> testing, actually... But that original snapshot was from Jan or Feb. |
| 14:11.55 | SuperAlekZ | lol Number5_ suddenly it works again :D |
| 14:11.55 | jordanm | nsadmin: still moving to the testing kernel version |
| 14:12.26 | jordanm | Arafangion: and this is something that is even remotely "production"? |
| 14:12.48 | Arafangion | jordanm: If it goes down, I'll be very annoyed. Incidentially, I'll be the only person who will even notice. :) |
| 14:13.06 | jordanm | !tell Arafangion about moving target |
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| 14:13.44 | dalias | is there a package for a non-vuln flash plugin? |
| 14:14.05 | cast | adobe flash isn't a part of debian |
| 14:14.23 | Arafangion | jordanm: It's not production, though. I just installed whatever CD I had... And it was testing. (In Jan/Feb, I downloaded that because Stable wouldn't work properly for some obscure reason - something about hardware, can't remember) |
| 14:14.33 | dalias | its included in non-free as an installer package |
| 14:14.40 | Arafangion | jordanm: /win 5 |
| 14:14.46 | dalias | is it forbidden to ask about packages in non-free here? |
| 14:14.48 | jordanm | !tell Arafangion about kmuto |
| 14:15.12 | Bushmills | dalias: the installer is not the plugin |
| 14:15.32 | jordanm | would expect the plugin to always grab the latest since it downloads from adobe |
| 14:15.40 | dalias | indeed. but is there an installer package that installs 10.1? |
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| 14:15.45 | jordanm | s/plugin/package/ |
| 14:15.48 | olorin_ | dalias: Get the 10.1 RC7 from Adobe Labs until the release it as stable. |
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| 14:15.54 | Arafangion | jordanm: A nice tip, that would've been useful, but anyway, too late. Testing will eventually become more stable, anyway. I just want to understand this. |
| 14:15.55 | dalias | jordanm, i doubt that. then the upgrade mechanism would not work |
| 14:16.02 | Arafangion | jordanm: It's not like I installed Sid. :) |
| 14:16.24 | dalias | since the package would be 'already installed' |
| 14:16.42 | cast | [officially] non-free is not part of debian |
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| 14:17.00 | johnfg | hi folks |
| 14:17.00 | jordanm | Arafangion: doesn't matter, you still have a transition to a new default python to look forward to without documented release notes on the switch |
| 14:17.28 | Arafangion | jordanm: That will be fun, then. :) I'm actually a developer, it /is/ nice having more up-to-date libraries. |
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| 14:17.49 | nsadmin | jordanm: I suppose... but it's a kernel that's moreorless officially available in the style of etchnahalf |
| 14:18.19 | johnfg | Is there any way I can check the website I host on this server? |
| 14:18.32 | jordanm | johnfg: check what? |
| 14:18.48 | nsadmin | spirit.org? |
| 14:18.49 | jordanm | type the address in your web browser and see if it comes up? |
| 14:19.05 | Arafangion | jordanm: Anyway, only one person use this server, why are you so passionate? :) |
| 14:19.10 | johnfg | I guess to see how it's all working, blog responses, etc. |
| 14:19.12 | Bushmills | the version it downloads is written in /usr/sbin/update-flashplugin-nonfree, assigned to variable $download or $downloadfile; recent installers grab fp10.sha512.i386.pgp.asc |
| 14:19.17 | Bushmills | ehm |
| 14:19.20 | Bushmills | almost ... |
| 14:19.30 | nsadmin | johnfg if it's a server, does that mean it has a real IP? |
| 14:19.37 | johnfg | Right now, I've got to do it from outside, like from a machine I've connected to remotely. |
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| 14:19.49 | johnfg | nsadmin: Right. |
| 14:20.14 | jordanm | johnfg: http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/ |
| 14:20.31 | johnfg | I knew that it had something do with that, but don't know if I can get around it. |
| 14:20.43 | johnfg | jordanm: OK. |
| 14:21.12 | jordanm | Arafangion: I believe that many people select testing because of the "newer packages" then form bad and misled opinions of debian |
| 14:21.20 | nsadmin | johnfg: bible questions with a validator icon at the bottom? |
| 14:21.29 | jordanm | Arafangion: when things go wrong, I can guess where your going to come to for support... |
| 14:22.02 | Arafangion | jordanm: Look, in all likelihood, nothing is going to go wrong with the swap space. I'm just asking for _information_. |
| 14:22.36 | johnfg | nsadmin: Yup, it's the church's website, and I maintain it. |
| 14:22.44 | jordanm | Arafangion: and I gave you _information_ on the dangerous of testing in production. not the info you asked for but there it is |
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| 14:22.48 | dalias | jordanm, i think they'd have a much muich worse opinion of debian if they installed stable and couldn't get any modern software... :) |
| 14:22.50 | johnfg | nsadmin: Were you looking at the blog? |
| 14:23.09 | dalias | i remember when i started using debian, table was still in the iso-8859 stone age |
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| 14:23.16 | Arafangion | jordanm: I think we got sidetracked by an academic discussion as to what we meant by production. |
| 14:23.17 | dalias | and nothing unicode worked |
| 14:23.25 | dalias | s/table/stable/ |
| 14:23.45 | jordanm | Arafangion: a box you need/expect to work |
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| 14:24.13 | Arafangion | jordanm: It would be a mere annoyance. |
| 14:24.29 | dalias | i've used sid ever since and never regretted it |
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| 14:25.04 | guyzmo | hi |
| 14:25.05 | Arafangion | dalias: Not even in the gcc3 -> gcc4 transition where all the Qt libs were... Well, transitioning? :) |
| 14:25.07 | dalias | debian's idea of an 'unstable' product is a lot more stable than most commercial vendors' idea of 'stable' :) |
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| 14:25.18 | guyzmo | where can I find the daily built netinstall images for squeeze ? |
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| 14:25.20 | dalias | arafangion, thankfully i don't use kde :) |
| 14:25.27 | Arafangion | dalias: That's true, but that said, many people don't realise that Sid /never becomes stable/. |
| 14:25.28 | dalias | so i never noticed |
| 14:25.37 | guyzmo | I found it yesterday, and I can't find it again today |
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| 14:25.41 | Arafangion | dalias: I think they had PAM breakages at least a few times, too. :) |
| 14:26.14 | Arafangion | still tests auth whenever auth stuff changes. |
| 14:27.33 | fr33k | guyzmo: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 14:27.40 | nsadmin | johnfg: telnet spirit.org 80 <enter> GET / <enter> |
| 14:27.47 | guyzmo | fr33k - thanks |
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| 14:28.17 | nsadmin | when you said "this server" I thought that might be what you meant |
| 14:28.31 | nsadmin | in any case spirit.org works |
| 14:29.09 | dalias | using HTTP 0.9 is not a great idea |
| 14:29.25 | dalias | it won't work on vhosted servers where each host doesnt have its own ip address |
| 14:29.31 | jelly | dalias: never did an upgrade during a libc6 or perl breakage? Lucky you! |
| 14:29.32 | tharkun | Err http://ftp.us.debian.org lenny/main Translation-en_US Connection failed [IP: 204.152.191.39 80] ?? |
| 14:29.59 | dalias | jelly, :) |
| 14:30.20 | dalias | if i were setting up a production server now i'd probably use testing |
| 14:30.44 | dalias | a few years down the line i might even consider stable :) |
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| 14:31.35 | Arafangion | dalias: myself... I'd use stable unless hardrware was such that I'd need newer kernels... (That pointer that jordanm mentioned is another option though) |
| 14:32.17 | Arafangion | dalias: But if it installs, then I'd only upgrade to testing if neccessary. |
| 14:32.20 | dalias | for me software is more often the issue |
| 14:32.38 | dalias | like when i first started using debian, it was a matter of lack of unicode support in anything stable |
| 14:32.40 | Arafangion | But yeah... As a programmer, it is nice having new software. |
| 14:32.44 | Bushmills | ideas of what "stable" means differ. many people understand it as "doesn't crash" |
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| 14:32.45 | Arafangion | New libraries, in particular. |
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| 14:33.05 | Arafangion | Bushmills: I'm always explaining that. I always say that it means "Stable - doesn't move about". |
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| 14:33.19 | dalias | and iirc at one point, stable had a really crappy old version fo perl (5.005 or whatever) |
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| 14:33.31 | dalias | whereas testing/unstable had something modern |
| 14:33.56 | nsadmin | Arafangion: sometimes a programmer needs a stable system as a tool to work on |
| 14:34.17 | Bushmills | well, often those have also a different idea of what "free" means |
| 14:34.20 | tharkun | I use stable for servers and i forget about them until the next release ;P |
| 14:34.25 | dalias | :) |
| 14:34.57 | Arafangion | nsadmin: Testing's pretty good for that... Just don't upgrade kernels and libc's and who knows what else right before a major release. :) |
| 14:35.01 | dalias | speaking of which, any tips on upgrading my 'free' flash plugin? ;-) |
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| 14:35.36 | Bushmills | but essentially, even sid is sort of "stable" if you don't upgrade any package anymore after installation :) |
| 14:35.50 | jordanm | Arafangion: libc6 just got a big security upgrade... and should be upgraded |
| 14:36.07 | dalias | jordanm, local or remote issues? |
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| 14:37.49 | jordanm | dalias: sorry, it was glibc. looks like two local priv escalation and one remote DOS. http://lists.debian.org/20100610081346.GA13993@SD6-Casa.iuculano.it |
| 14:37.53 | Arafangion | jordanm: Let the admins take care of that on the outward facing servers. :) |
| 14:38.17 | dalias | lol a vuln in strfmon? |
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| 14:39.37 | dalias | pretty irrelevant considering it's a nonposix function and probably no software actually uses it :-p |
| 14:39.47 | isfranc | hello |
| 14:40.07 | Arafangion | dalias: There are lots of non-posix functions being used, though. |
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| 14:40.27 | dalias | yes but a function for parsing monetary values does not sound like a common one... |
| 14:40.34 | nsadmin | as noted... you've been lucky... or I'll guess maybe watchful |
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| 14:43.57 | Bushmills | dalias: what version of flash is downloaded, and where from, can be seen on http://people.debian.org/~bartm/flashplugin-nonfree/ |
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| 15:10.39 | Ruint | the install notes for debian-kfreebsd only link me to a 111mb iso, is there a dvd iso available? |
| 15:11.27 | jelly | probably not |
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| 15:12.43 | jelly | !kfreebsd |
| 15:12.43 | dpkg | Debian GNU/kFreeBSD is a port that consists of GNU userland using the GNU C library on top of FreeBSD's kernel, coupled with the regular Debian package set. It is a Debian Squeeze release goal for kfreebsd-amd64 and kfreebsd-i386 to become release architectures. http://www.debian.org/ports/kfreebsd-gnu/ http://glibc-bsd.alioth.debian.org/doc/ http://wiki.debian.org/Debian_GNU/kFreeBSD #debian-kbsd on irc.oftc.net. |
| 15:12.54 | qkit | evening all. |
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| 15:13.11 | jelly | no, evening only some |
| 15:13.21 | jelly | !tz |
| 15:13.21 | dpkg | somebody said timezone was the standard time (aka local time) in a particular region. To change the timezone on Debian systems, execute "dpkg-reconfigure tzdata" (Lenny, Squeeze) or "tzconfig" (Etch). Alternatively: "cp -b /usr/share/zoneinfo/$TZ /etc/localtime". Note that tzselect(1) does not change the timezone. |
| 15:13.23 | qkit | any one can recommend a useful and stable firewall for debian :P |
| 15:14.22 | petemc | qkit: shorewall is a popular from end to netfilter/iptables |
| 15:16.37 | nsadmin | qkit: a firewall is a router in this context, and there are infinite varieties |
| 15:17.05 | nsadmin | qkit: you'll have to say a little more about what you mean and provide a diagram of your net |
| 15:18.00 | qkit | well, i looking a firewall with the function load balance 2 isp or more and auto fail over to another firewall. |
| 15:18.08 | olorin_ | qkit: The kernel already have firewalling functionality, what you're asking for is probably a frotend like petemc recommends. Take a peek at ipkungfu as well. |
| 15:18.29 | nsadmin | that would be unusual function :) |
| 15:18.39 | olorin_ | Invictius firewall? |
| 15:19.09 | qkit | :) |
| 15:19.13 | nsadmin | olorin_: that does what he's asking for? |
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| 15:20.25 | qkit | Invictius firewall in debian ...interesting |
| 15:22.11 | olorin_ | qkit: Dunno about that, but that's my best guess atm. |
| 15:22.20 | olorin_ | nsadmin: To some extent, yes. |
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| 15:23.05 | qkit | found alot article on Mandriva but not in debian :( |
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| 15:26.09 | nsadmin | well install it and see if it does what you want... you may be looking at a learning curve involving first networking (including the bitwise stuff) and then filtering, netfilter and what its model is and finally how you get use it to implement what you want |
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| 15:26.23 | olorin_ | qkit: Someone could probably do a Debian port. |
| 15:28.44 | Bushmills | qkit: firewalling is not much distribution specific |
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| 15:29.06 | Bushmills | all linux distributions use linux :) and linux has iptables |
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| 15:30.42 | olorin_ | Bushmills: kernel netfilter and the front end tools iptables are common, but maybe not so much the different uses of these. |
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| 15:31.41 | anarchos | might be the wrong place to ask...licence issues and all...but has anyone got the LLNL ZFS port working? i can't even get the SPL module to load :( |
| 15:31.44 | Bushmills | olorin_: well, editors are also common over different distribution, but what people write in them differs |
| 15:32.02 | Bushmills | as it comes, iptables is just "potential" |
| 15:32.20 | Bushmills | what one uses it for, is customisation |
| 15:32.26 | olorin_ | Bushmills: Exactly, how you use them is entirely up to you. |
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| 15:33.15 | lenswipe | hey guys |
| 15:33.18 | lenswipe | can someone help me? |
| 15:33.35 | lenswipe | debian lenny has just decided it would like to run in 1280x768 and everything looks stupid and stretched |
| 15:33.50 | lenswipe | and i cant change it back because 1280x1024 is no longer listed as an option |
| 15:34.04 | olorin_ | Bushmills: You still need to apply some rules to the chains. You don't want to run with no policy, do you? |
| 15:34.23 | lenswipe | actually my bnad |
| 15:34.24 | lenswipe | bad* |
| 15:34.30 | lenswipe | its not 1280x758 |
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| 15:34.35 | lenswipe | its 1280x800 |
| 15:34.40 | lenswipe | can someone please help me get this sorted? |
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| 15:35.44 | lenswipe | anyone? |
| 15:35.56 | Bushmills | olorin_: policies default to ACCEPT even without explicit setting, or adding rules |
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| 15:36.49 | olorin_ | Bushmills: Yes, and you don't want that in all situations, will you? |
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| 15:38.25 | Bushmills | no, not in all, that's why you can change it if you like |
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| 15:39.11 | olorin_ | Yeah, I do still miss stricter default ones though. |
| 15:39.40 | Bushmills | but you don't "need" rules. and sometimes you want to run with no different policy than it comes with, |
| 15:39.40 | olorin_ | Or maybe not... More complaining users. |
| 15:40.21 | Bushmills | you don't need firewall if you don't run any services |
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| 15:41.22 | Bushmills | so what do you want to be strict for? for the case that services are installed? |
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| 15:41.53 | chops1 | Is there any way to disable submake mode and make 'make' just call 'make' as a subprocess? I'm having strange problems with 'make -j5' and warnings about the jobserver. |
| 15:42.20 | chops1 | (I suppose I could say 'sh -c make -f blah'...) |
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| 15:42.33 | jordanm | chops1: #workingset I believe is the chan for make |
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| 15:43.39 | chops1 | jordanm: Asking there, thanks |
| 15:45.23 | lenswipe | anyone? |
| 15:45.27 | lenswipe | pokes the whole channe;l |
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| 15:46.13 | olorin_ | Bushmills: People do in fact need open ports for certain tasks, like IM. I wouldn't recommend running without a policy. Yes, it's convinient, but for more people than yourselves. |
| 15:46.19 | olorin_ | yourself* |
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| 15:46.52 | jhutchins_lt | olorin_: I don't want a firewall on my system at all. It's always behind a firewall, and all internal nodes are trusted. |
| 15:47.02 | lenswipe | guys |
| 15:47.03 | lenswipe | can someone help |
| 15:47.08 | lenswipe | 1280x1024 |
| 15:47.14 | lenswipe | how do i change the screen resolution |
| 15:47.18 | lenswipe | can someone help? |
| 15:47.30 | lenswipe | it just suddenly decided to work in 1280x800 and it wont go back |
| 15:47.33 | lenswipe | i dont know what to do |
| 15:47.41 | jhutchins_lt | What did you update? |
| 15:47.45 | lenswipe | can someone help me with getting it back to 1280x1024? |
| 15:47.48 | gernot | Hi. After a squeeze update my /boot partition doesn't seem to have a UUID anymore. The computer still boots and setting /dev/sda1 instead of the UUID in /etc/fstab stopped fsck from complaining during boot. I wonder though if that's a common problem and if I should try to get back to a UUID entry in fstab. If so I'd like to know how. |
| 15:47.52 | lenswipe | jhutchins_lt, me? |
| 15:47.56 | Bushmills | lenswipe: xrandr |
| 15:47.59 | jhutchins_lt | lenswipe: Yes. |
| 15:48.07 | lenswipe | jhutchins, nothing |
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| 15:48.22 | olorin_ | jhutchins_lt: In that case, no problem. But you're one of the lucky ones I guess. |
| 15:48.29 | jhutchins_lt | lenswipe: If nothing changed, nothing is different. |
| 15:48.32 | lenswipe | Bushmills, yeah that didnt help |
| 15:48.33 | lenswipe | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:48.34 | lenswipe | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:48.34 | lenswipe | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:48.34 | lenswipe | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:48.34 | lenswipe | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:48.41 | lenswipe | sorry |
| 15:48.41 | olorin_ | ... |
| 15:48.45 | jhutchins_lt | olorin_: I think on-system firewalls give people a false sense of security. |
| 15:48.47 | lenswipe | anyway |
| 15:48.51 | olorin_ | lenswipe: Pastebin |
| 15:49.14 | lenswipe | jhutchins, it just did it when i booted this morning, 1280x1024 disappeared off the menu completely, its done this before in the past |
| 15:49.17 | Bushmills | lenswipe: "didn't help" - how did you call it, to change resolution? |
| 15:49.19 | olorin_ | jhutchins_lt: Of course, most of them allow mstate, etc. |
| 15:49.36 | lenswipe | bushmannt, its still at 1280x800 |
| 15:49.58 | jhutchins_lt | Firewalls should be discrete devices. |
| 15:50.01 | olorin_ | jhutchins_lt: Oh, sorry, the policies I meant. |
| 15:50.08 | Bushmills | (17:49:16) Bushmills: lenswipe: "didn't help" - how did you call it, to change resolution? |
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| 15:50.13 | lenswipe | jhutchins_lt, its done this before, it just randomly decides that its gonna run in a weird reso some days, i have no idea why, and im starting to get sick of it, and i want to do something about it |
| 15:50.16 | lenswipe | Bushmills, ? |
| 15:50.17 | timeoh | how to show all symlinks |
| 15:50.34 | lenswipe | tictac, ? |
| 15:50.40 | Bushmills | yes. show us the command you have used to change resolution |
| 15:50.43 | jhutchins_lt | lenswipe: I'd look at the release notes for your x driver. |
| 15:50.46 | lenswipe | tictac, i belive you meant "How do i show all symlinks" |
| 15:50.54 | lenswipe | jhutchins_lt, which are where? |
| 15:50.58 | petemc | timeoh: find -type l |
| 15:51.00 | lenswipe | jhutchins_lt, im just using the default VGA driver |
| 15:51.18 | timeoh | petemc: thanks a lot |
| 15:51.20 | olorin_ | also the GPU you have. |
| 15:51.27 | lenswipe | i dont have a GPU |
| 15:51.31 | lenswipe | im not that rich |
| 15:51.52 | lenswipe | i have a line that reads Screen 0: minimum 320 x 200, current 1280 x 800, maximum 1280 x 1280 |
| 15:52.00 | lenswipe | that being the case, why cant it go to 1280x1024 |
| 15:52.11 | olorin_ | lenswipe: You do have a laptop, don't you? |
| 15:52.19 | lenswipe | olorin_, nope |
| 15:52.20 | lenswipe | desktop |
| 15:52.25 | olorin_ | Aw, ok. |
| 15:52.41 | JyZyXEL | is there a place where PATH is globally set? |
| 15:52.42 | olorin_ | Still some sort of graphical device. |
| 15:53.00 | lenswipe | olorin_, i have whatever is built into this Dell Optiplex GX270 |
| 15:53.19 | lenswipe | can someone help me? |
| 15:53.20 | lenswipe | please? |
| 15:53.21 | olorin_ | lenswipe: Give us the output from lspci. |
| 15:53.24 | lenswipe | ok |
| 15:53.44 | olorin_ | lenswipe: Please, be patient, we're trying. |
| 15:54.00 | lenswipe | olorin_, i know you are |
| 15:54.05 | Bushmills | i can't - as you can't tell as what you executed |
| 15:54.24 | lenswipe | bushmannt, ? |
| 15:54.28 | lenswipe | Bushmills, ?? |
| 15:54.30 | lenswipe | you didnt ask |
| 15:54.38 | lenswipe | or if you did i didnt understand the question |
| 15:54.39 | Bushmills | i asked twice |
| 15:54.44 | olorin_ | lenswipe: Also the shell history log from whatever account you used. |
| 15:54.50 | lenswipe | ok |
| 15:54.55 | olorin_ | Bushmills: You want that right? |
| 15:55.00 | lenswipe | olorin_, im not happy with doing that |
| 15:55.02 | Bushmills | (17:49:16) Bushmills: lenswipe: "didn't help" - how did you call it, to change resolution? |
| 15:55.19 | lenswipe | Bushmills, i dont understand the question |
| 15:55.21 | peterrooney | JyZyXEL: in what context? /etc/profile, for logins, /etc/crontab for cron jobs... |
| 15:55.22 | lenswipe | what are you asking for |
| 15:55.54 | lenswipe | http://pastebin.com/YWpcwaZ9 |
| 15:55.58 | lenswipe | olorin_, ^ |
| 15:57.11 | tyche | Intel Corporation 82865G Integrated Graphics Controller. It's an Intel graphics card. |
| 15:57.16 | Bushmills | simply asking what command you gave to the computer when you tried to change resolution, using xrandr. which gave you a loist of modes, which you pasted. but i want to know how you tried to make it change resolution |
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| 15:57.19 | lenswipe | Bushmills, i have no idea what you're asking me for, and i wont until you make it clearer, rather than just repeating the same thing |
| 15:57.20 | lenswipe | ah right |
| 15:57.28 | Bushmills | just type here what you typed into the computer |
| 15:57.33 | lenswipe | ok two seconds |
| 15:57.41 | lenswipe | xrandr 1280x1024 |
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| 15:58.25 | lenswipe | Bushmills, ^ |
| 15:58.35 | JyZyXEL | peterrooney: what do i have to do after modifying the /etc/profile |
| 15:58.36 | Bushmills | did you read then what the computer replied? |
| 15:59.08 | Bushmills | something like usage: xrandr [options] where options are: ... |
| 15:59.14 | lenswipe | right |
| 15:59.36 | lenswipe | i also looked on google which told me to to type xrandr, then read the available video modes, then pick one |
| 15:59.48 | Bushmills | did then come up the idea that you may have passed a command which xrandr couldn't understand? |
| 15:59.48 | lenswipe | Bushmills, trouble is, the one i want isnt listed |
| 16:00.05 | lenswipe | i want 1280x1024 - thats not listed |
| 16:00.19 | lenswipe | however i know this machine can do it, because it was doing 1280x1024 yesterday |
| 16:00.32 | Bushmills | maybe you read then that there is an option -s <size>/<width>x<height> or --size <size>/<width>x<height> ? |
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| 16:00.46 | lenswipe | Bushmills, no, no, no i didnt |
| 16:00.47 | lenswipe | robert@samba:~$ xrandr -s 1280x1024 |
| 16:00.47 | lenswipe | Size 1280x1024 not found in available modes |
| 16:00.59 | dotCOMmie | any doc for how to install 32bit flash on 64bit? |
| 16:01.01 | lenswipe | ...except this machine *CAN* do that site |
| 16:01.02 | lenswipe | size* |
| 16:01.34 | Bushmills | try to set --scale 2x2, then the mode (look again), and then --scale 1x1 back again |
| 16:01.38 | lenswipe | what? |
| 16:02.00 | Bushmills | that's one workaround when you don't want to add your own modes |
| 16:02.10 | Bushmills | which you don't seem to want to do |
| 16:02.22 | lenswipe | i dont mind adding my own modes |
| 16:02.28 | lenswipe | i just dont know how |
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| 16:02.33 | peterrooney | JyZyXEL: log in again, or tell/force your users to log out and log in again. |
| 16:02.40 | lenswipe | and nobody seems inclined to tell me |
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| 16:02.58 | JyZyXEL | peterrooney: well how about sudo? |
| 16:03.15 | JyZyXEL | commands that i do with sudo still haven't updated to the new PATH |
| 16:03.20 | olorin_ | dotCOMmie: nspluginwrapper will take care of the integration, so installing this and the .deb might fix it. |
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| 16:03.52 | olorin_ | Bushmills: Is the 865 |
| 16:04.10 | olorin_ | Bushmills: Are the 865 DRM and affiliated libraries installed? |
| 16:04.12 | Bushmills | lenswipe: http://scarydevilmonastery.net/snap/1276272230770658950d.png |
| 16:04.12 | peterrooney | JyZyXEL: sudo may or may not mess with environment variables. man sudo for particulars. |
| 16:04.28 | dotCOMmie | olorin_: the flashplugin-nonfree? |
| 16:04.37 | olorin_ | Bushmills: I just remembered having trouble with the same GPU. |
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| 16:05.14 | olorin_ | dotCOMmie: Yes, but I'm not sure you want it at this point with the security flaws not fixed yet. |
| 16:05.41 | Bushmills | olorin_: i don't know what is installed. i suspect you wanted to ask lenswipe, not me. |
| 16:05.43 | dotCOMmie | olorin_: it is in 32bit |
| 16:05.55 | lenswipe | Bushmills, ask me what? |
| 16:05.58 | olorin_ | Bushmills: True. |
| 16:06.31 | olorin_ | lenswipe: Are the 865 DRM and affiliated libraries installed? |
| 16:06.42 | lenswipe | olorin_, i have no idea |
| 16:06.44 | lenswipe | how do i find out |
| 16:06.55 | olorin_ | Meaning MESA GLUT and GL libs. |
| 16:07.30 | olorin_ | lenswipe: You could start by looking at whatever glxinfo says. |
| 16:07.38 | timeoh | does anybody know php-sat? |
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| 16:08.47 | lenswipe | olorin_, robert@samba:~$ glxinfo |
| 16:08.48 | lenswipe | bash: glxinfo: command not found |
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| 16:08.52 | olorin_ | lenswipe: Also the X log in /var/log... |
| 16:08.59 | olorin_ | dpkg: mesa? |
| 16:09.00 | dpkg | it has been said that mesa is the free implementation of the OpenGL API, more information is at http://www.mesa3d.org/ or ask me about <glx> |
| 16:09.09 | olorin_ | dpkg: mesa-demos? |
| 16:09.11 | dpkg | olorin_: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 16:09.19 | olorin_ | Hehe |
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| 16:10.37 | gancient | #kde-ev |
| 16:10.39 | olorin_ | lenswipe: mesa-utils |
| 16:10.45 | lenswipe | olorin_, what about them |
| 16:10.54 | lenswipe | robert@samba:~$ mesa-utils |
| 16:10.54 | lenswipe | bash: mesa-utils: command not found |
| 16:11.05 | olorin_ | http://packages.debian.org/search?mode=path&suite=lenny§ion=all&arch=any&searchon=contents&keywords=glxinfo |
| 16:11.11 | lenswipe | oh |
| 16:11.16 | lenswipe | you want me to install them? |
| 16:11.17 | lenswipe | done |
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| 16:15.16 | jhutchins_lt | lenswipe: Please remember that we're just fellow users here, helping you out for the sake of learning more ourselves. |
| 16:15.33 | jhutchins_lt | lenswipe: Did you ever determine what driver you were using? |
| 16:15.59 | jhutchins_lt | lenswipe: Do you understand that you _do_ have a GPU? |
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| 16:16.49 | olorin_ | IGP as it's called when it's integrated. |
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| 16:17.04 | lenswipe | jhutchins, im using the vesa driver i think, and i know that i do have a gpu, but not a fancy graphics card type of affiar which i think is what olorin_ was referring to |
| 16:18.22 | olorin_ | lenswipe: No, olorin_ was referring to the Graphical Processing Unit |
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| 16:18.36 | lenswipe | ah right |
| 16:18.48 | lenswipe | olorin_, sorry, i misunderstood you then |
| 16:18.56 | jhutchins_lt | lenswipe: The intel driver works well for me with the same chipset, and has a constant resolution. |
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| 16:19.13 | jhutchins_lt | lenswipe: My max is 1024x768. |
| 16:19.20 | olorin_ | My EeePC 900 have the i915, my mates laptop, the 865. |
| 16:19.24 | lenswipe | well yesterday my max was 1280x1024 |
| 16:19.28 | jhutchins_lt | lenswipe: You may have more VRAM. |
| 16:19.39 | lenswipe | and its suddenly dropped today to 1280x800 for no particular reason |
| 16:19.57 | lenswipe | it just randomly drops sometimes |
| 16:20.04 | lenswipe | i have no idea why and its quite aggrivating |
| 16:20.04 | jhutchins_lt | lenswipe: You may find these interesting: http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg http://www.x.org/wiki/FAQ |
| 16:20.16 | lenswipe | jhutchins_lt, ive read that |
| 16:20.21 | lenswipe | and it doesnt really help much |
| 16:20.26 | jhutchins_lt | lenswipe: You may also wish to generate a fixed xorg.conf with limited mode lines. |
| 16:20.28 | olorin_ | lenswipe: Difference is that we use the 810 and later driver, and not vesa. |
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| 16:20.48 | jhutchins_lt | olorin_: Are you using i810 or intel? |
| 16:21.16 | olorin_ | jhutchins_lt: Intel 915 with the 810 driver. |
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| 16:21.26 | jhutchins_lt | Interesting. |
| 16:21.56 | olorin_ | The 865 driver is called something else. |
| 16:22.29 | olorin_ | And don't forget GMA-500... |
| 16:22.37 | jhutchins_lt | olorin_: The intel driver should be able to handle all three. |
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| 16:22.57 | Bushmills | Intel 945 with Intel driver here. Running on 1280x1024, switching to with xrandr. |
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| 16:23.18 | jhutchins_lt | lenswipe: What did your Xorg.0.log show for "Chipset"? |
| 16:23.25 | jhutchins_lt | 852GM/855GM here |
| 16:23.28 | Bushmills | (2nd screen) |
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| 16:24.18 | olorin_ | jhutchins_lt: Different dri libs though... |
| 16:24.52 | olorin_ | works on to many computers. |
| 16:25.39 | lenswipe | jhutchins_lt, (II) intel: Driver for Intel Integrated Graphics Chipsets: i810, |
| 16:25.52 | jpinx-eeepc | ,versions downloadhelper |
| 16:25.53 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'downloadhelper' was found. |
| 16:26.08 | lenswipe | http://pastebin.com/GvZcpEMW |
| 16:26.13 | lenswipe | thats the whole thing |
| 16:27.10 | jhutchins_lt | lenswipe: Line 377 |
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| 16:27.46 | lenswipe | (--) Chipset 865G found |
| 16:27.52 | lenswipe | meaning what |
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| 16:28.04 | lenswipe | what do i need to do with that info? |
| 16:28.18 | jhutchins_lt | lenswipe: I'd say run X --configure :1 to generate a template, use xvidtune to generate a modeline. |
| 16:28.30 | jhutchins_lt | lenswipe: You are using the intel driver, which is the most current for that chipset. |
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| 16:29.01 | jhutchins_lt | lenswipe: You might want to experiment with starting and stopping X without rebooting, it may detect the display properties differently. |
| 16:29.10 | lenswipe | jhutchins, ok |
| 16:29.43 | wad | What's the correct way to prevent daemon packages from running automatically on boot? For example, I installed apache2, but I don't want it to start until I tell it to. Should I just delete its entries in /etc/rc?.d or what? |
| 16:30.12 | cahoot | wad: look in /etc/default |
| 16:30.14 | lenswipe | jhutchins_lt, i cant run that |
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| 16:31.33 | lenswipe | jhutchins, it just says command not found |
| 16:31.36 | jhutchins_lt | wad: rcconf is pretty good. |
| 16:31.41 | lenswipe | X: user not authorized to run the X server, aborting. |
| 16:31.44 | wad | cahoot, okay, I'm looking at /etc/default/apache2, but I'm not sure what I should do with it. |
| 16:31.47 | lenswipe | Unrecognized option: --configure |
| 16:31.47 | lenswipe | use: X [:<display>] [option] |
| 16:31.47 | lenswipe | -a # mouse acceleration (pixels) |
| 16:31.47 | lenswipe | -ac disable access control restrictions |
| 16:31.47 | lenswipe | -audit int set audit trail level |
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| 16:31.56 | lenswipe | -bs disable any backing store support |
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| 16:32.07 | wad | There is no option there to just prevent it from running automatically. |
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| 16:32.40 | wad | jhutchins, "man rcconf" results in nothing..... |
| 16:32.50 | cahoot | wad: ok - some 'daemons' have such option there |
| 16:32.58 | wad | Ah, okay. |
| 16:33.02 | gancient | hi all, i just got a weekly build debian-testing CD and added it to the package sources using apt-cdrom |
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| 16:33.27 | lenswipe | sorry bout that guys |
| 16:33.29 | wad | Hmm, so I assume that if I delete all the rc?.d entries for some program, that I'll still be able to have it start up normally using "/etc/init.d/apache2 start" sorts of things? |
| 16:33.31 | lenswipe | i ran the command with /exec -o |
| 16:33.36 | lenswipe | didnt know it would do all that crap |
| 16:33.40 | lenswipe | sorry :S |
| 16:33.52 | cahoot | wad: use update-rc.d |
| 16:33.54 | jhutchins_lt | lenswipe: So you could have looked at that output and figured out what the problem was. I was working from bad notes. |
| 16:33.55 | gancient | now if a new version of a package available in the CD appears in the online repo , which package would apt-take ? |
| 16:34.05 | jhutchins_lt | lenswipe: it's X -configure :1 - single dash. |
| 16:34.08 | lenswipe | ah right |
| 16:34.15 | Bushmills | wad, yes. that's what run level editors and such essentially do |
| 16:34.21 | peterrooney | gancient: apt-cache policy shall tell you |
| 16:34.22 | lenswipe | lenswipe@trogdor:~$ sudo X -configure:1 |
| 16:34.23 | lenswipe | sudo: X: command not found |
| 16:34.27 | lenswipe | jhutchins_lt, ^ |
| 16:34.51 | jhutchins_lt | tries to remember the factoid for "if you get command not found, try installing command". |
| 16:34.55 | Bushmills | sudo X? sounds like ubuntu :D |
| 16:34.58 | jhutchins_lt | wad: rcconf is optional. |
| 16:34.58 | peterrooney | gancient: sorry, apt-cache policy <packagename> should tell you |
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| 16:35.17 | jhutchins_lt | lenswipe: Figure it out. |
| 16:35.22 | jhutchins_lt | lenswipe: X has to exist, you're running it. |
| 16:35.55 | lenswipe | how am i sposed to figure it out |
| 16:36.02 | lenswipe | all it says is command not found |
| 16:36.04 | jhutchins_lt | lenswipe: Don't abandon yourself to our mercy, like I said we're just fellow users. |
| 16:36.12 | gancient | peterrooney: ok, can it break some packages ? given that the CD would get outdated after a week. |
| 16:36.13 | lenswipe | well im just saying |
| 16:36.25 | lenswipe | how am i meant to figure out why it cant find X? |
| 16:36.27 | lenswipe | i have no idea |
| 16:36.27 | wad | Okay, I ran "update-rc.d apache2 remove", and it didn't remove any entries from rc?.d, it just complained that "/etc/init.d/apache2 exists during rc.d purge (use -f to force)". But I don't want to remove the /etc/init.d/apache2, because I need to use that to control the daemon. Is it me, or is update-rc.d useless for this purpose? |
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| 16:36.36 | jelly | lenswipe: "command not found" means it's not found in the PATH. After sudo, PATH may be different than your user's |
| 16:36.53 | olorin_ | lenswipe: What did you type? |
| 16:36.58 | lenswipe | jelly, im logged in as root now |
| 16:37.04 | jelly | lenswipe: what does the command `which X` say? |
| 16:37.09 | jhutchins_lt | lenswipe: So why are you using sudo? |
| 16:37.20 | lenswipe | jhutchins, im not anymore |
| 16:37.21 | jelly | lenswipe: also, what does echo $PATH say? |
| 16:37.23 | lenswipe | i just stopped now |
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| 16:37.37 | lenswipe | root@trogdor:~# echo $PATH |
| 16:37.38 | lenswipe | /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin |
| 16:37.51 | lenswipe | root@trogdor:~# X -configure :1 |
| 16:37.51 | lenswipe | -su: X: command not found |
| 16:37.57 | jhutchins_lt | Gah! |
| 16:38.01 | wad | cahoot, it appears that the only solution is to manually delete the rc?.d entries. Then, when I want to re-enable the daemon so that it will start automatically once again, I'm screwed. Is the design really this sucky? |
| 16:38.02 | jhutchins_lt | -su? |
| 16:38.06 | olorin_ | Sudo? I thought Debian just used su - now. |
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| 16:38.16 | cahoot | wad: use update-rc.d |
| 16:38.19 | jhutchins_lt | olorin_: sudo's potional. |
| 16:38.24 | jelly | jhutchins_lt: nothing wrong with -su |
| 16:38.25 | wad | cahoot: That doesn't work at all. |
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| 16:38.40 | jhutchins_lt | wad: Or you may want to install rcconf, it's menu-driven. |
| 16:38.55 | jelly | lenswipe: well. On my Debian, X is found in /usr/bin. Does /usr/bin/X exist? |
| 16:38.57 | olorin_ | jhutchins_lt: About Etch, and after? |
| 16:39.01 | jelly | judd: file /usr/bin/X |
| 16:39.02 | wad | cahoot, it doesn't remove the rc?.d entries, unless I also remove /etc/init.d/apache2, which removed my ability to control the daemon. |
| 16:39.03 | judd | /usr/bin/X in lenny/i386: xserver-xorg: usr/bin/X |
| 16:39.07 | Bushmills | lenswipe: what does dpkg -l xserver-xorg show? |
| 16:39.09 | peterrooney | gancient: of course it could. however, aptitude --simulate <stuff> can do a dry run after you add the CD repository |
| 16:39.09 | lenswipe | root@trogdor:~# /usr/bin/X -configure :1 |
| 16:39.10 | lenswipe | -su: /usr/bin/X: No such file or directory |
| 16:39.10 | lenswipe | You have mail in /var/mail/root |
| 16:39.16 | wad | jhutchins, the box is headless, I'm not going to install gui tools. |
| 16:39.18 | cahoot | wad: update-rc.d apache2 remove |
| 16:39.21 | cahoot | ? |
| 16:39.21 | jhutchins_lt | olorin_: Not sure, I installed it on this system for some reason, but I've never used it or set it up. |
| 16:39.21 | xuser | wad: what do you want to do? |
| 16:39.24 | jelly | lenswipe: is the package xserver-xorg installed? |
| 16:39.25 | dominicus | What is the best way of determining whether or not there are any existing security vulnerabilities against Debian Etch, now that official security update support has expired? |
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| 16:39.39 | wad | I just want to install a daemonized package, but not have it launch on boot. |
| 16:39.46 | gancient | peterrooney : apt-cache policy <packagename> would tell for a given package which is a source of choice. right ? |
| 16:39.46 | jhutchins_lt | olorin_: It defaults to pretty much a standard setup, with the "sudo" group having privilages, but doesn't add anybody to the group. |
| 16:39.49 | olorin_ | jhutchins_lt: I think it was mandatory back in Sarge. |
| 16:39.53 | peterrooney | dominicus: assume that there are. |
| 16:39.59 | lenswipe | jelly, http://pastebin.com/MF8yq6cv |
| 16:40.04 | xuser | wad: chmod 644 /etc/init.d/daemon |
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| 16:40.17 | jhutchins_lt | olorin_: There's a well known derivitive distro that uses it and locks root's account. |
| 16:40.18 | wad | xuser: Ah!!!! |
| 16:40.22 | jelly | lenswipe: install X. |
| 16:40.31 | jelly | then you might be able to use it :-) |
| 16:40.31 | lenswipe | jelly, i have x installed |
| 16:40.33 | lenswipe | im running |
| 16:40.36 | lenswipe | im running it |
| 16:40.37 | jelly | lenswipe: no, you don't |
| 16:40.39 | lenswipe | yes i do |
| 16:40.40 | jhutchins_lt | jelly: I kinda think he has it, he's complaining about varying resolution. |
| 16:40.48 | xuser | wad: and next time don't be a moron if you don't know what you are talking about |
| 16:40.53 | Bushmills | lenswipe: the "u" in your paste means "uninstalled" |
| 16:40.55 | olorin_ | jhutchins_lt: Not that "we-don't-share-with-the-community" one you mean? |
| 16:40.58 | lenswipe | how can i not have x installed if i have a GUI |
| 16:41.01 | wad | So, the easy solution is to remove the execute bit from the permissions of the control script, so that the entries in rc.d can't do anything. Brilliant! |
| 16:41.11 | jelly | lenswipe: you _might have had it installed_ at the time you started it, but now it's not there |
| 16:41.20 | lenswipe | wtf? |
| 16:41.22 | jelly | lenswipe: or you're not using Debian's Xorg |
| 16:41.22 | lenswipe | srsly wtf? |
| 16:41.33 | lenswipe | im using whatever comes with debian |
| 16:41.42 | lenswipe | lemme logout and login again |
| 16:41.48 | lenswipe | lets see if x is installed or not |
| 16:41.50 | jelly | that might not work |
| 16:42.15 | jelly | jhutchins_lt: has it != had it a minute ago |
| 16:42.29 | dominicus | peterrooney: Oh, I definitely assume there are. I just want to be able to cite at least one reference (proof) that at least one exists to someone. What's the best way of going about that? |
| 16:42.44 | jhutchins_lt | jelly: Actually, I don't have xorg-server installed either, checking both desktop systems. |
| 16:42.53 | Bushmills | XF86? |
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| 16:42.57 | lenswipe | yep |
| 16:43.00 | jelly | jhutchins_lt: xserver-xorg |
| 16:43.02 | lenswipe | x is definately installed |
| 16:43.05 | jhutchins_lt | one has xorg-common and xorg-driver-synaptics, the other also has xorg. |
| 16:43.05 | lenswipe | i just re-installed it |
| 16:43.10 | lenswipe | re-started it* |
| 16:43.11 | Bushmills | lenswipe: how did you install it? |
| 16:43.16 | lenswipe | Bushmills, ^ |
| 16:43.23 | lenswipe | i didnt install it, it came with debian |
| 16:43.26 | jelly | lenswipe: ls -l /usr/bin/X* |
| 16:43.29 | lenswipe | i selected the "Desktop" option in debian |
| 16:43.32 | cahoot | lenswipe: used X not x in the command? |
| 16:43.33 | jhutchins_lt | jelly: d'oh. |
| 16:43.35 | lenswipe | in the debian install* |
| 16:43.38 | lenswipe | cahoot, yes |
| 16:44.23 | lenswipe | robert@samba:~$ ls -l /usr/bin/X* |
| 16:44.24 | lenswipe | -rwsr-sr-x 1 root root 7596 2009-07-30 19:49 /usr/bin/X |
| 16:44.24 | lenswipe | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 1 2010-05-07 00:30 /usr/bin/X11 -> . |
| 16:44.24 | lenswipe | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1718484 2009-06-08 10:35 /usr/bin/Xorg |
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| 16:44.29 | lenswipe | wow |
| 16:44.33 | lenswipe | whats the channel paste limit? |
| 16:44.36 | Bushmills | jelly: xserver-xorg is not installed on his system |
| 16:44.38 | jordanm | 3 |
| 16:44.41 | jordanm | !paste |
| 16:44.41 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <paste2pastebin.pl>. |
| 16:44.41 | jelly | lenswipe: 4 lines, use a pastebin |
| 16:44.45 | lenswipe | ah |
| 16:44.47 | lenswipe | ok |
| 16:44.50 | Bushmills | rejoiner! |
| 16:45.02 | jhutchins_lt | lenswipe: If you do px ax | grep X you should see the command that's running your GUI. |
| 16:45.17 | wad | lenswipe, just put it all on one long, unparseable line. ;) |
| 16:45.24 | lenswipe | jhutchins_lt, totally... |
| 16:45.24 | lenswipe | robert@samba:~$ px ax | grep X |
| 16:45.24 | lenswipe | bash: px: command not found |
| 16:45.29 | jelly | lenswipe: and running "/usr/bin/X -configure :1" does not work? |
| 16:45.33 | lenswipe | jelly, no |
| 16:45.42 | jhutchins_lt | lenswipe: ps ax |
| 16:45.42 | jelly | lenswipe: uname -r? |
| 16:45.57 | tharkun | Is it possible to rsync a windows machine? |
| 16:45.59 | lenswipe | jelly, 2.6.26-2-686 |
| 16:46.02 | jhutchins_lt | leaves lenswipe to jelly and goes off to check facebook. |
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| 16:46.45 | lenswipe | jhutchins, robert@samba:~$ ps ax | grep X |
| 16:46.45 | lenswipe | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:46.47 | jelly | tharkun: if by that you mean "clone", then no. If you mean "rsync some files off it", then yes, if you get rsync installed there |
| 16:46.48 | lenswipe | found it :D |
| 16:46.59 | Bushmills | looks for some old sweaters to wash |
| 16:47.07 | lenswipe | jelly, anyway... |
| 16:47.11 | lenswipe | xorg.. |
| 16:47.30 | tharkun | jelly: thx, i meant some files only. Sorry for my imprecission |
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| 16:48.47 | jelly | tharkun: you'll lose NT ACLs or unix permissions, depending on the direction |
| 16:50.01 | jelly | lenswipe: does /usr/X11R6/bin/X -configure :1 work? |
| 16:50.47 | lenswipe | jelly, sort of |
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| 16:51.05 | lenswipe | jelly, it made me a new xorg config file, but it wont let me test it, if i try and test it, i get an error saying that xorg is already running |
| 16:51.09 | jordanm | currently squeeze and sid X -configure will segfault if xserver-xorg-video-vmware is installed |
| 16:51.12 | lenswipe | talk about captain sodding obvious |
| 16:51.22 | jordanm | lenswipe: you need to test it on a different display, e.g. :1 |
| 16:51.22 | tharkun | jelly: thx i never thought about that detail |
| 16:51.54 | lenswipe | jelly, ok |
| 16:52.06 | jelly | tharkun: there also might be timestamp issues if FAT32/vfat filesystems are used |
| 16:52.16 | lenswipe | jelly, i dont know what to say |
| 16:52.30 | lenswipe | jelly, i get a grey cross hatched screen on tty8 |
| 16:52.36 | lenswipe | jelly, with a black x in the middle.... |
| 16:52.42 | jelly | lenswipe: that's X. |
| 16:52.44 | lenswipe | ...still running at stupidxstupid |
| 16:52.54 | lenswipe | ie 1280x800 |
| 16:53.05 | lenswipe | which writes this crap? |
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| 16:53.08 | jelly | lenswipe: what did you expect to happen? |
| 16:53.15 | lenswipe | a video driver that changes its resolution with its underpants |
| 16:53.19 | lenswipe | pretty poor show, |
| 16:54.26 | jhutchins_lt | lenswipe: What release did you say you were runing? Originally installed as which? |
| 16:54.36 | lenswipe | jhutchins, originally installed as lenny |
| 16:54.40 | lenswipe | and its still lenny |
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| 16:55.00 | jelly | lenswipe: pastebin your xorg.conf and /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 16:55.07 | lenswipe | ok |
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| 16:55.14 | jelly | oh, and Xorg.1.log as well |
| 16:55.18 | lenswipe | jelly, pastebin my new xorg.conf? or the old one |
| 16:55.29 | jelly | did you have an old one? |
| 16:55.39 | lenswipe | i had the one that was created when i installed debian |
| 16:55.45 | lenswipe | and which until yesterday worked perfectly |
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| 16:56.01 | jelly | that's weird, I thought lenny doesn't generate one by default |
| 16:56.01 | jhutchins_lt | Strange, ALL of my Debian installs have X in /usr/bin, and /usr/X11R6/bin is a link to /usr/bin. |
| 16:56.04 | lenswipe | and now thinks that 1280x800 is a great resolution to use on a 1280x1024 monitor for no reason |
| 16:56.11 | lenswipe | jelly, maybe not, im not sure a |
| 16:56.23 | lenswipe | anyway it worked yesterday and now it doesnt |
| 16:56.27 | lenswipe | this is like going back to windows vista |
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| 16:56.47 | lenswipe | when stupid shit spontaneously happens for no reason at all |
| 16:56.58 | lenswipe | anyway, that aside |
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| 16:57.08 | lenswipe | jelly, what are you asking me to pastebin? |
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| 16:57.15 | lenswipe | jelly, do you want the xorg that was generated just now? |
| 16:57.19 | jhutchins_lt | lenswipe: It's just software. It happens for a reason that you can track down if you're clever enough. |
| 16:57.51 | jhutchins_lt | lenswipe: Note that it's not happening to anyone else with similar hardware. |
| 16:57.56 | datenritter | hmm, just updatet my system (testing), now i can't log out of kde anymore, nor does the style-stting for kdm have any effect. :-\ |
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| 16:58.05 | lenswipe | jhutchins_lt, no....no it doesnt, nobody has logged in at all, or changed anything until today when i logged in, when i did i found 1280x800 of awesomeness to welcome me to linux |
| 16:58.09 | lenswipe | ...for no reason at all |
| 16:58.33 | olorin_ | lenswipe: Did you notice the apparent conflict between the intel and vesa driver in the Xorg log? |
| 16:58.37 | lenswipe | the only thing ive been messing with at all is ldap |
| 16:58.46 | datenritter | kdm collides with kdmtheme :-\ |
| 16:58.47 | jhutchins_lt | lenswipe: So figure out why it's doing it and fix it! |
| 16:58.49 | lenswipe | and if messing with ldap screws xorg up then there is something very very wrong with debian |
| 16:59.03 | datenritter | maybe i should remove the stable sources from my sources.list? |
| 16:59.07 | jhutchins_lt | lenswipe: See what olorin_ said. |
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| 16:59.25 | lenswipe | olorin_, no i didnt, where is it? and how can i fix it? |
| 16:59.59 | olorin_ | lenswipe: What does the device section in xorg.conf say? |
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| 17:00.12 | lenswipe | olorin_, i thought debian didnt generate one by default? |
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| 17:00.56 | olorin_ | lenswipe: Xorg works without as well. |
| 17:01.50 | jelly | lenswipe: you just said you had an xorg.conf from before, so apparently it created one for you, or you're not telling the whole story |
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| 17:02.27 | lenswipe | jelly, i assumed i did, someone said that one wasnt generated |
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| 17:02.37 | lenswipe | so im gonna run with that cos they're right |
| 17:02.38 | jelly | I strongly suggest showing the config and logs |
| 17:02.51 | lenswipe | again which logs? |
| 17:02.59 | jelly | /var/log/Xorg.*.log |
| 17:03.00 | lenswipe | theres a log for xorg.0.conf and xorg.1.conf |
| 17:03.02 | lenswipe | right |
| 17:03.10 | jelly | Both. |
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| 17:03.27 | rolandpish | Hi. I have an issue. I added a third-party repository and installed a package. Then I decided to uninstall the package (apt-get purge package), then remove the repository and finally execute apt-get update. However, if I open synaptic the uninstalled package is listed there. Is there some way to remove that package from the list? |
| 17:03.28 | jhutchins_lt | The .1 will be frome the -configure :1 session, or if it was launched as :1 |
| 17:04.00 | jhutchins_lt | rolandpish: Still there how? As an available package? |
| 17:04.03 | lenswipe | here is xorg.0.log |
| 17:04.03 | lenswipe | http://pastebin.com/eDnhQDX4 |
| 17:04.29 | lenswipe | here is xorg.1.log |
| 17:04.30 | lenswipe | http://pastebin.com/0nqf6pZm |
| 17:05.31 | rolandpish | jhutchins_lt: Yes as an available package. |
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| 17:06.29 | jhutchins_lt | rolandpish: try aptitude -clean |
| 17:06.57 | lenswipe | jelly, ^ |
| 17:07.22 | jordanm | !tell lenswipe about enter |
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| 17:08.41 | cahoot | seems he already knows about it |
| 17:08.41 | lenswipe | jordanm, dont play with the bot |
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| 17:08.57 | jordanm | cahoot: I wouldn't have guessed that |
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| 17:10.33 | jhutchins_lt | lenswipe: How about the config files? IS there an /etc/X11/xorg.conf? |
| 17:10.57 | jhutchins_lt | lenswipe: Note that the .0 log shows four different drivers loading - easy to see how that would confuse the resolution. |
| 17:11.03 | rolandpish | jhutchins_lt: I did it. It's weird, if I execute an apt-cache search thepackage it returns nothing. But If I open synaptic the package is still there. If I right-click it->properties->versions it shows the repository that I already removed. |
| 17:11.05 | jhutchins_lt | lenswipe: The .1 log shows only intel |
| 17:11.21 | olorin_ | I would say no, due to fact that Xorg uses its default config. |
| 17:11.35 | jhutchins_lt | rolandpish: Ah, sorry, I avoid the GUI wrapper if I can. Lots of RAM and complexity there. |
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| 17:12.07 | jhutchins_lt | olorin_: What version of X does he have the isn't in /usr/bin and tries to load four different drivers? |
| 17:12.41 | lenswipe | jhutchins, no there isnt an /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
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| 17:12.57 | olorin_ | jhutchins_lt: A broken one? |
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| 17:13.47 | olorin_ | I said that Xorg works without, but I didn't say it would work as you want it to... |
| 17:13.58 | jhutchins_lt | lenswipe: I would suggest that you try copying the one generated in the directory where you ran -configure and see if that isn't more stable. |
| 17:14.05 | lenswipe | ok |
| 17:14.10 | lenswipe | where do i put it? |
| 17:14.16 | jhutchins_lt | lenswipe: /etc/X11/ |
| 17:15.16 | rolandpish | jhutchins_lt: ok, thanks. I'll research to find a way to remove the package from synaptic. |
| 17:15.51 | olorin_ | jhutchins_lt: Notice what I said about what I didn't say. ;-) |
| 17:16.07 | lenswipe | jhutchins, does ctrl + alt + backspace restart xorg? |
| 17:16.18 | jhutchins_lt | rolandpish: I don't think that's critical. It's just cruft. |
| 17:16.25 | jhutchins_lt | lenswipe: Sometimes. |
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| 17:16.28 | lenswipe | jhutchins_lt, brb |
| 17:16.45 | olorin_ | jhutchins_lt: At the brink of giving up yet? |
| 17:16.48 | jhutchins_lt | lenswipe: Also, Ctrl-alt-F1, /etc/init.d/gdm stop, /etc/init.d/gdm start. |
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| 17:17.10 | jhutchins_lt | olorin_: More than once, but I think he's taken concrete action. |
| 17:17.15 | lenswipe | jhutchins, the problem persists, i cant get any higher than 1280x800 |
| 17:17.21 | jhutchins_lt | olorin_: Now he's gonna come back and say "it didn't work". |
| 17:17.26 | lenswipe | sure enough |
| 17:17.34 | msm_ | I created rescue usb flash drive ....when I use it to boot I get live debian screen. is this right ? |
| 17:17.44 | jhutchins_lt | lenswipe: Adjust your modelines. You never posted the conf file(s). |
| 17:17.59 | lenswipe | jhutchins, ill post the xorg.conf in /etc/x11 |
| 17:18.06 | jhutchins_lt | msm_: No, you should get a Univac System III screen. |
| 17:18.19 | rolandpish | jhutchins_lt: yes, absolutely agree. I'm so kind of paranoic when find something that is not suppossed to be there. Thanks! |
| 17:18.43 | olorin_ | jhutchins_lt: Isn't that a bit too modern? |
| 17:18.55 | lenswipe | jhutchins, http://pastebin.com/Nx9d44yz |
| 17:19.03 | msm_ | jhutchins_lt: kidding me ! |
| 17:19.26 | jhutchins_lt | msm_: Of course, unvacs didn't have screens. |
| 17:19.32 | msm_ | jhutchins_lt: I am confused whether it should say rescue debian instead of debian live. |
| 17:20.07 | msm_ | jhutchins_lt: I have two USB pen drives which I prepared. one is install and other is rescue and I am confused which one is which... |
| 17:20.31 | jhutchins_lt | msm_: Sorry, I do not know. |
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| 17:20.42 | msm_ | when I booted using debian live ...I am put into user@debian prompt |
| 17:20.42 | jhutchins_lt | msm_: Your question is much clearer now though. |
| 17:20.52 | msm_ | I dont see lvm |
| 17:21.00 | olorin_ | lenswipe: Let's investigate another possibility. Why do you have a xorg.1.conf in the first place? Multiple servers running? |
| 17:21.02 | msm_ | I want to reduce root partitiaon |
| 17:21.20 | jhutchins_lt | lenswipe: I would suggest that you read up on modelines and see if you can generate a more complete configuration using that as a template. |
| 17:21.21 | lenswipe | olorin_, because jelly told me to get xorg to create me an xorg.conf file and then test it |
| 17:21.32 | lenswipe | olorin_, and that instance of xorg is no longer running |
| 17:22.10 | olorin_ | lenswipe: If you stop Xorg, and use startx from your account? |
| 17:22.29 | msm_ | the debian insall cd has advanced menu item ...with rescue mode...but its not really rescue I guess. I starts install. |
| 17:23.04 | lenswipe | olorin_, how do i stop xorg? |
| 17:23.05 | msm_ | with live debian pen drive booting....df -h does not list hard disk. |
| 17:23.42 | olorin_ | lenswipe: /etc/init.d/<service> stop |
| 17:23.47 | lenswipe | olorin_, already tried that |
| 17:24.06 | lenswipe | olorin_, robert@samba:~$ /etc/init.d/X stop |
| 17:24.06 | lenswipe | bash: /etc/init.d/X: No such file or directory |
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| 17:24.38 | lenswipe | wonders why linux has such a low install base |
| 17:24.42 | olorin_ | lenswipe: The script must exist... |
| 17:24.50 | lenswipe | olorin_, aparently it doesnt |
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| 17:25.09 | msm_ | I wanted to actually do reduce the size of logical volume but its Root volume so thought to use recuse pen drive and work. seems rescue does not have sufficient programs ? |
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| 17:25.22 | olorin_ | lenswipe: Low? |
| 17:25.30 | lenswipe | olorin_, desktop install base that is |
| 17:26.05 | olorin_ | lenswipe: Old habits die hard I guess. |
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| 17:26.21 | jelly | lenswipe: it's /etc/init.d/gdm |
| 17:26.49 | lenswipe | so i stop it and then run startx? |
| 17:26.52 | lenswipe | is that it? |
| 17:26.59 | olorin_ | lenswipe: And the fact that vendors are under pressure from Microsoft. |
| 17:27.01 | lenswipe | brb |
| 17:27.07 | lenswipe | olorin_, hmm |
| 17:27.07 | olorin_ | yes |
| 17:27.27 | jelly | olorin_: what will starting it via startx accomplish? |
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| 17:28.13 | olorin_ | jelly: Making sure only one instance is running. I dunno really yet. |
| 17:28.14 | lenswipe | ok im back |
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| 17:28.19 | lenswipe | im running xorg like you said |
| 17:28.25 | lenswipe | and im still running at stupid x stupid |
| 17:28.33 | lenswipe | although this time its 1280x768 |
| 17:28.39 | lenswipe | can someone help with that |
| 17:28.40 | lenswipe | this* |
| 17:28.44 | lenswipe | anyone |
| 17:28.48 | msm_ | on booting with live debian rescue pen drive ....should I see my hard disk /dev/hda ? I dont see it in fdisk -l |
| 17:29.21 | olorin_ | lenswipe: Do you have short term memory problems? You're repating yourself. :-) |
| 17:29.31 | at0m | msm_: /dev/sda maybe? |
| 17:29.36 | lenswipe | olorin_, no, i have linux problems....im running debian |
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| 17:30.00 | msm_ | at0m: /dev/sda ...it shows just 256MB |
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| 17:30.24 | lenswipe | olorin_, any ideas? |
| 17:30.38 | lenswipe | olorin_, i restarted x and im running at 1024x768 again |
| 17:30.41 | lenswipe | wait no im not |
| 17:30.42 | at0m | msm_: hm must be your stick, that... how about sdb or any other sd? ? |
| 17:30.47 | lenswipe | im running at 1280x768* |
| 17:30.47 | msm_ | at0m: /dev/sdb1 ...it shows as 2GB |
| 17:30.51 | at0m | voila |
| 17:31.12 | msm_ | at0m: stick is 128MB |
| 17:31.13 | olorin_ | lenswipe: If you try to change the resoltion in xorg.conf manually, and rerun startx? |
| 17:31.22 | msm_ | at0m: sorry 256mb |
| 17:31.24 | lenswipe | olorin_, how do i change the resolutio in xorg.conf? |
| 17:31.27 | lenswipe | theres no mode lines |
| 17:31.32 | lenswipe | xorg amazingly didnt create them |
| 17:32.00 | olorin_ | Ah! Yes, that's right. |
| 17:32.04 | msm_ | at0m: why cannot I see hdb. Also why I dont see lvm binary which I would need to do lvreduce. |
| 17:32.11 | lenswipe | olorin_, and i dont know how |
| 17:32.16 | msm_ | I mean /dev/hda.... |
| 17:32.18 | olorin_ | lenswipe: I find that a bit peculiar... |
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| 17:32.30 | at0m | msm_: no idea, never used lvm.. |
| 17:32.37 | lenswipe | olorin_, i find debian as a whole "a bit perculiar" |
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| 17:33.16 | at0m | msm_: ls -alh /dev/disk/by-uuid/ |
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| 17:34.18 | msm_ | at0m: it shows hda1 entry... |
| 17:34.20 | olorin_ | lenswipe: Actually, that's normal behaviour in later versions of Xorg. Notice the "Monitor" section? |
| 17:34.28 | lenswipe | olorin_, what about it |
| 17:34.41 | at0m | msm_: i wouldnt know further... |
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| 17:35.58 | lenswipe | olorin_, brb |
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| 17:37.02 | olorin_ | lenswipe: Tell you what, take a peek at this one: http://pastebin.com/LLD26XdV |
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| 17:38.17 | lenswipe | olorin_, back |
| 17:38.24 | lenswipe | olorin_, what was i saying.... |
| 17:38.28 | lenswipe | oh yea |
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| 17:38.36 | olorin_ | lenswipe: Tell you what, take a peek at this one: http://pastebin.com/LLD26XdV |
| 17:38.38 | lenswipe | i dont know how to add the video mode lines to xirg.conf |
| 17:38.39 | lenswipe | ok |
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| 17:40.06 | lenswipe | olorin_, so how do i set the resolution? |
| 17:40.13 | lenswipe | i dont understand a whole string of numbers |
| 17:40.18 | lenswipe | 50.00 768 832 846 1000 576 590 595 630 |
| 17:40.21 | lenswipe | what does that mean? |
| 17:40.38 | olorin_ | For TV's. |
| 17:40.57 | olorin_ | 50.00 Hz |
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| 17:41.02 | lenswipe | right |
| 17:41.18 | lenswipe | so how do i set the resolution for a 1280x1024 17" LCD flatpanel monitor? |
| 17:41.57 | tharkun | I have this server with a video card that has pciid 102b:0522 where can i get the module for it or keep on researching- ( Matrox Graphics, Inc.) |
| 17:42.04 | olorin_ | lenswipe: In the "Screen" sections. |
| 17:42.14 | lenswipe | olorin_, i got that much |
| 17:42.19 | lenswipe | olorin_, i dont know what to put in |
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| 17:42.36 | cahoot | ,pciid 102b:0522 |
| 17:42.38 | judd | [102b:0522] is 'MGA G200e [Pilot] ServerEngines (SEP1)' from 'Matrox Graphics, Inc.' with no known kernel module in lenny or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=102b:0522 |
| 17:42.40 | jelly | lenswipe: pastebin the current xorg log. |
| 17:42.43 | olorin_ | lenswipe: ModeLine "1280x1024" |
| 17:42.47 | lenswipe | jelly, i already did |
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| 17:43.27 | jelly | lenswipe: sorry, I see no paste url after <lenswipe> ok im back |
| 17:43.33 | lenswipe | jelly, i pasted it earlier |
| 17:43.44 | lenswipe | jelly, werent you listening? |
| 17:43.47 | jelly | lenswipe: pastebin the CURRENT xorg log. |
| 17:43.57 | lenswipe | jelly, that was the current one |
| 17:43.59 | olorin_ | Debian is still a bit hardcore, so except some curiosities. |
| 17:44.01 | tharkun | cahoot: where can i get the mga driver? |
| 17:44.09 | olorin_ | expect* |
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| 17:44.30 | jelly | lenswipe: which one? please repeat the URL for the startx one |
| 17:44.39 | lenswipe | http://pastebin.com/UvZULawG |
| 17:44.43 | lenswipe | thats a new paste |
| 17:44.57 | jelly | lenswipe: the log. |
| 17:45.14 | lenswipe | two second |
| 17:45.17 | lenswipe | seconds* |
| 17:45.29 | jelly | you're rather hard to support, what with lack of reading |
| 17:45.33 | cahoot | tharkun: what does modprobe mga return? |
| 17:45.36 | lenswipe | jelly, i pasted that too earlier |
| 17:45.44 | lenswipe | jelly, so maybe less with the "lack of reading" stuff |
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| 17:46.06 | fiox | Good evening, I have a problem with switching between video cards can someone help? |
| 17:46.33 | fdfh | Hi, does anyone know how to get ntp to sync automatically when I boot? |
| 17:46.38 | tharkun | cahoot: at this moment is running an ancient version of linux. I am planning on installing lenny. I don't want to run into trouble the day i get my hands on it. |
| 17:46.45 | diago | I'm making virtual disks out of logical volumes. I can fdisk -l /dev/vol00/disk1 and see the partitions. How can I mount one of those partitions? |
| 17:46.50 | lenswipe | jelly, http://pastebin.com/iy9XnV8H |
| 17:46.57 | jelly | lenswipe: dude, whatever. If you don't wish to give information to let m help, I'll just deal with someone else |
| 17:47.07 | lenswipe | jelly, i just pasted it |
| 17:47.10 | lenswipe | up there ^ |
| 17:47.15 | lenswipe | http://pastebin.com/iy9XnV8H |
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| 17:48.08 | cahoot | tharkun: *if* mga is the needed driver I can't see any problem at all - I've got a matroxcard that's been supported 'forever' |
| 17:48.13 | lenswipe | jelly, http://pastebin.com/iy9XnV8H |
| 17:48.56 | Amadiro | Hm, I've changed my timezone from UTC to UTC+2 (Europe/Berlin) using tzselect, but the time `date` outputs is still UTC. Could this be because there is still ntpd running in the background, which needs to be re-configured as well, or did I forget something? I couldn't find any time-zone specific info in ntp.conf, and /etc/timezone still says "Etc/UTC". |
| 17:49.07 | tharkun | cahoot: thx i'll research into it. Sorry to bother |
| 17:49.17 | valdyn | diago: you can pass an offset value to mount |
| 17:49.51 | lenswipe | olorin_, so yeah... |
| 17:49.53 | olorin_ | Hmm, could it be a unpatched bug in the Debian Xorg 1.4.2? |
| 17:49.53 | jelly | lenswipe: this version of Xorg doesn't detect your output device's available modes (EDID data) |
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| 17:50.05 | lenswipe | jelly, it did 48 hours ago |
| 17:50.24 | lenswipe | jelly, im going through a KVM right now, could that be it? |
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| 17:50.32 | jelly | lenswipe: YES |
| 17:50.41 | lenswipe | although i was going through a KVM yesterday |
| 17:50.47 | lenswipe | and it didnt cause any problems |
| 17:50.49 | jelly | a different one, I bet |
| 17:50.51 | lenswipe | nope |
| 17:50.53 | lenswipe | the same one |
| 17:51.00 | lenswipe | i only have 1 |
| 17:51.02 | olorin_ | jelly: Yes, I'm also starting to suspect something like that. |
| 17:51.03 | lenswipe | im not that rich |
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| 17:51.21 | jelly | lenswipe: see if it works better with a direct connection |
| 17:51.27 | lenswipe | alright |
| 17:51.37 | lenswipe | want me to move my xorg.conf and reboot? |
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| 17:51.54 | olorin_ | Where did KVM come from... |
| 17:52.38 | diago | valdyn: ok I think I get it. Thanks. |
| 17:53.18 | lenswipe | olorin_, its a belkin one |
| 17:54.08 | jhutchins_lt | D"oh. Going through a KVM yesterday, not today, and he says nothing changed. |
| 17:54.16 | jelly | lenswipe: not all of cheap KVM do DDC (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Display_Data_Channel) properly |
| 17:54.21 | lenswipe | jhutchins, you picked that up wrong |
| 17:54.32 | lenswipe | i was going through a KVM yesterday |
| 17:54.35 | lenswipe | im still going through one today |
| 17:54.38 | jhutchins_lt | lenswipe: Backwards. You should hvae mentioned it sooner. |
| 17:54.39 | lenswipe | nothing *has* changed |
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| 17:54.54 | lenswipe | jhutchins, had it occoured to me, i wouldve |
| 17:55.03 | lenswipe | jelly, ic |
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| 17:55.17 | lenswipe | jelly, what one would reccommend for doing DDC? |
| 17:55.21 | Amadiro | hm, ok, I did `dpkg-reconfigure tzdata`, and that worked. |
| 17:55.24 | tharkun | cahoot: for the sake of sleep, adding the module on /ec |
| 17:55.26 | jelly | lenswipe: one that works ;-) |
| 17:55.38 | sweb | hail, what is the best web based control panel hosting for debian ? http://wiki.debian.org/HostingControlPanels |
| 17:55.41 | lenswipe | jelly, wow, thanks for that |
| 17:55.42 | sweb | as your recomend |
| 17:55.48 | lenswipe | captain obvious much |
| 17:55.52 | sweb | cPanel did not work good on debian |
| 17:55.53 | tharkun | cahoot: for the sake of sleep, adding the module on /etc/modprobe.d/ and listing it in /etc/modules should make my life simpler rith? |
| 17:56.00 | jelly | lenswipe: only all the time |
| 17:56.08 | jhutchins_lt | I wonder what jelly & olorin's combined hourly rate for over two hours of dedicated assistance would be? |
| 17:56.12 | lenswipe | jelly, <sarcasm>awesome</sarcasm> |
| 17:56.24 | jelly | lenswipe: thanks, much appreciated |
| 17:56.33 | lenswipe | brb to restart with direct connection |
| 17:56.33 | olorin_ | jhutchins_lt: A lot. |
| 17:57.14 | isfranc | have you test openbsd 4.7 in kvm ? It seems slower than the version 4.6 |
| 17:57.17 | jelly | jhutchins_lt: dedicated? This one goes out to the one I love. |
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| 17:58.45 | msm_ | any one knows debian live / rescue well ? |
| 17:58.50 | olorin_ | sweb: I won't say "Webmin", that's for sure. |
| 17:59.34 | sweb | olorin_, it's free license ? |
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| 18:00.20 | olorin_ | sweb: Yes, included in most distro's and notoriously known for its security holes. |
| 18:00.28 | msm_ | I dont see lvm related binaries on live usb....and I want to resize filesystem and logical volume...I dont know how to do things when I dont see logical volume related binaries....also I dont see my hard disk in fdisk -l or df -h |
| 18:00.36 | olorin_ | Did I get that right? |
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| 18:01.26 | sweb | olorin_, so it's not safe for commercial use ? |
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| 18:01.52 | olorin_ | sweb: IMHO, not for anyone. |
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| 18:02.37 | olorin_ | sweb: You need to give them access to MySQL and so on right? |
| 18:03.03 | sweb | olorin_, yeah mysql and phpmyadmin |
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| 18:04.37 | olorin_ | sweb: Excuse me while I blunder along with something I haven't tried... But tunelled ssh? |
| 18:04.39 | rgr_ | it still appears to be a lucky dip if you get a menu entry for many gui apps. Just installed ktorrent. nada. zilch. need to create a custom launcher. |
| 18:05.18 | at0m | rgr_: tried running update-menu's as user? |
| 18:05.27 | at0m | err |
| 18:05.28 | valdyn | rgr_: you dont get the "Debian" menu? |
| 18:05.41 | rgr_ | msm_: you are as well using sysrescue. I think thats what I used. I know a while back debian live I think it was did not have lvm tools but sysrescue did. |
| 18:05.54 | boscaiol1 | I need to move my root partition. I can copy it all onto the new partition and update fstab and grub, but I'll need to do something to initrd won't I? |
| 18:06.08 | rgr_ | I have a debian menu. |
| 18:06.14 | at0m | rgr_: update-menus |
| 18:06.57 | olorin_ | sweb: Btw, do you target people with a clue or mostly the clueless ones? |
| 18:07.11 | rgr_ | ran it. Where should ktorrent be? Not "Internet" and cant spot it in Debian menu. |
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| 18:07.31 | lenswipe | hey guys |
| 18:07.34 | valdyn | in gnome its there in "Internet" |
| 18:07.34 | lenswipe | that fixed it |
| 18:07.38 | lenswipe | only problem is now |
| 18:07.42 | lenswipe | all the text is stupidly small |
| 18:07.47 | lenswipe | i need a microscope to read it |
| 18:07.49 | rgr_ | not here ;( squeeze. |
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| 18:08.06 | valdyn | rgr_: and aswell in Debian/Applications/Network/ |
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| 18:08.39 | rgr_ | that + file transfer ;) found it. |
| 18:08.42 | valdyn | rgr_: and aswell in Debian/Applications/Network/File Transfer/ actually |
| 18:08.43 | valdyn | yea |
| 18:08.49 | lenswipe | nvm i just fixed it in the fonts menu |
| 18:08.53 | lenswipe | j ##5709 |
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| 18:09.16 | sweb | olorin_, my target is amateur user but need security |
| 18:09.19 | diago | valdyn: I can't seem to figure it out |
| 18:09.25 | olorin_ | jelly: Please smack me in the face... |
| 18:09.26 | diago | here is what I have: mount -t ext3 /dev/virts/dev.disk0 /tmp/dev.disk/ -o loop=/dev/loop0,offset=63,sizelimit=19502909 |
| 18:10.19 | valdyn | diago: you cant get a device node for a partition on a logical volume, so you need to use the logical volume itself and pass to mount where the filesystem begins, thats the offset |
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| 18:10.31 | rgr_ | whats easiest way to share a dir from one machine to another on a lan? nfs used to work but it doesnt anymore ... simply cant mount the nfs share anymore. Is there an easier gui based config way? |
| 18:11.17 | valdyn | diago: and probably you need to do this via loop back device it seems |
| 18:11.43 | olorin_ | sweb: So you basically need a web interface. I dunno what to recommend except for webmin and cPanel as you have. |
| 18:11.57 | jordanm | rgr_: sftp, enabled by default with openssh-server. gui client tools include nautilus and filezilla |
| 18:12.16 | rgr_ | hmm, might as well sshfs in that case. |
| 18:13.15 | valdyn | diago: im not sure if thats the best way, but it works: "losetup -o <offset> -s <size> /dev/vg/lv" creates a loopback device that you can mount directly |
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| 18:14.04 | jelly | olorin_: with a KVM switch? |
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| 18:14.30 | valdyn | diago: your command looks good too |
| 18:14.45 | diago | valdyn: ah ok, I will try that approach. Thanks for the help |
| 18:15.05 | olorin_ | jelly: Why not... |
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| 18:15.53 | valdyn | diago: "losetup -o <offset> -s <size> /dev/loop0 /dev/vg/lv" even |
| 18:16.13 | valdyn | diago: offset of 63 seems weird |
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| 18:17.22 | jelly | perhaps they wanted 63 x 512c |
| 18:17.35 | valdyn | diago: that should be something like 512 for the first partition |
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| 18:18.00 | jelly | 63 sectors is kosher |
| 18:18.32 | jelly | I prefer using kpartx to slice the device to pieces automatically |
| 18:19.01 | valdyn | jelly: what are you talking about? |
| 18:19.26 | valdyn | oh nice |
| 18:19.30 | valdyn | I didnt know that one |
| 18:19.42 | valdyn | diago: apt-cache show kpartx |
| 18:19.45 | jelly | if there's a disk image, kpartx can figure the partition layout and make device-mapper slices |
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| 18:19.55 | valdyn | yea, very nice |
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| 18:20.20 | jelly | useful when there's more than 15 partitions |
| 18:20.39 | valdyn | or partitions on a logical volume as in this case, hopefully |
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| 18:26.19 | Hut | brr ever realise what uncool ppl where put in charge of #debian and #ubuntu on q-net ? |
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| 18:26.27 | Hut | no wonder these chans sucl |
| 18:26.30 | Hut | *k |
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| 18:28.11 | valdyn | !q-net |
| 18:28.27 | Hut | i know it sux ... |
| 18:28.35 | Hut | also those ops are racists :-( |
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| 18:29.30 | Andorin | Has anyone else had network errors on squeeze? The network manager reports no connection, although I have one now, and everything connects fine /except/ Pidgin. |
| 18:29.43 | Hering__ | ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------+---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
| 18:30.57 | valdyn | Andorin: network manager only manages connections as documented, not all connections |
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| 18:31.20 | valdyn | Andorin: Pidgin queries network-manager indirectly via dbus |
| 18:31.54 | valdyn | Andorin: you want to disable network in your nm-applet or learn how network manager works by reading the docs |
| 18:32.27 | Andorin | k, sec |
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| 18:32.49 | jhutchins_lt | Oh goody, adobe closed the 64b flash beta. We'll be hearing about that. |
| 18:33.44 | d1b | jhutchins_lt: what about 64bit chrome? |
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| 18:34.08 | jhutchins_lt | d1b: What about it? |
| 18:34.22 | d1b | they have adobe inbuilt .. |
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| 18:34.58 | jelly | good for them |
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| 18:36.07 | diago | interesting |
| 18:36.22 | diago | thanks valdyn and jelly that seems to work out great |
| 18:36.28 | valdyn | flash must be quite some unmaintainable clusterfuck |
| 18:36.35 | valdyn | poor adobe ;) |
| 18:37.28 | diago | actually, does /dev/mapper contain those anyway? |
| 18:37.36 | jordanm | valdyn: they made the frontpage of slashdot today for dropping linux 64bit beta version |
| 18:37.37 | diago | I just ran kpartx -a |
| 18:37.48 | valdyn | jordanm: yes, read it |
| 18:38.15 | jelly | diago: kpartx creates them |
| 18:38.26 | diago | that's f'n great thanks man |
| 18:38.46 | diago | and it's safe to just leave them there |
| 18:38.54 | jordanm | just learned a new dpkgbot feature |
| 18:38.56 | jordanm | !slashdot |
| 18:38.58 | dpkg | Slashdot Headlines (7 of 15): DoE Posts Raw Data From Oil Spill, Coast Guard Asks For Tech Help ;; Publishing Company Puts Warning Label on Constitution ;; Mass SQL Injection Attack Hits Sites Running IIS ;; Motorola Planning 2GHz Android Phone For Later This Year ;; O2 Scraps Unlimited Data Usage For Smartphones ;; Solar-Powered Shrub Car ;; How To Destroy a Black Hole. |
| 18:39.03 | valdyn | diago: they should be gone on next reboot anyway |
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| 18:39.14 | jelly | jordanm: bad baby! |
| 18:39.15 | diago | true |
| 18:39.32 | jordanm | hides |
| 18:39.35 | jelly | or on running kpartx -d, it's a rtfm |
| 18:40.08 | jelly | !nosoup jelly |
| 18:40.11 | jelly | hey... |
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| 18:41.54 | diago | ok, I see. Active disks are mapped because they are being used. |
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| 18:41.57 | diago | neato |
| 18:42.45 | diago | so in theory if I format all virts as LVM I can snapshot individual disks |
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| 18:42.55 | diago | this is crazy |
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| 18:46.29 | msm_ | I have created rescue debian live usb pen drive using http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLive/Howto/USB |
| 18:46.32 | msm_ | is that good ? |
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| 18:47.07 | msm_ | sorry I actually used http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLive/FirstStepsUSB |
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| 18:49.46 | msm_ | on this pen drive I dont see lvm binaries...also how do I resize file system on hard disk ...why dont I see /dev/hda in fdisk -l or df -h output ? |
| 18:50.24 | mick_laptop | heh, i just had an HR person walk by and tell me to put shoes on, because "something could happen" |
| 18:50.48 | Salvia | rumo ao JOSÉ CUERVO hj e viva la mexico kk =x |
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| 18:51.11 | mick_laptop | ~spanish |
| 18:51.34 | apt | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish speakers: please go to #debian-es, you will get a lot more help there. |
| 18:51.34 | mick_laptop | !spanish |
| 18:51.35 | dpkg | Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat |
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| 18:51.49 | jordanm | mick_laptop: is the apt bot yours? |
| 18:51.55 | mick_laptop | no |
| 18:52.10 | jordanm | apt: who owns you |
| 18:52.11 | apt | TimRiker does |
| 18:52.32 | mick_laptop | heh, i didn't know about that :) |
| 18:53.18 | jordanm | mick_laptop: I didn't know about the bot until I saw you use it the other day. the "who owns you" I believe works on a couple different types of bots |
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| 18:58.20 | diago | So now, if I lvextend a guest disk form 10G to 12G, what do I need to do to increase the guest disk part1 to the extra 2G |
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| 18:59.43 | jordanm | diago: normally you would run e2resize, but I doubt that is the case here. |
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| 19:00.07 | jordanm | sorry, resize2fs |
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| 19:00.47 | diago | yeah, even a fdisk -l /dev/virts/guest.disk still shows the 10G so I'm not sure what should happen |
| 19:01.39 | diago | lvdisplay shows COW-table size correct but the LV size is still at the 10g |
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| 19:02.13 | jordanm | maybe udevadm trigger in the guest? |
| 19:02.32 | diago | I'm going to boot the guest and see what happens |
| 19:02.32 | jordanm | lvscan? |
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| 19:03.01 | superdump | is there a initscripts_2.88dsf-9_amd64.deb available anywhere yet? |
| 19:03.30 | superdump | initscripts in unstable broke earlier and i'm left with a half set up initscripts_2.88dsf-8_amd64.deb :/ |
| 19:03.35 | superdump | that won't configure |
| 19:03.40 | superdump | buildd says it's finished building |
| 19:03.50 | jordanm | superdump: I think I saw your bug report earlier |
| 19:03.51 | superdump | but it's not in incoming, nor has it hit any mirrors yet |
| 19:04.08 | superdump | i didn't report anything, but i found a bug report on bugs.debian.org |
| 19:04.12 | superdump | so i was watching it |
| 19:04.20 | superdump | i saw it was closed because of the -9 upload |
| 19:04.30 | superdump | but the amd64 package hasn't propagated yet... |
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| 19:04.51 | jordanm | superdump: lewrker from #585489? |
| 19:04.57 | superdump | nope |
| 19:05.01 | jordanm | superdump: if you need things to work, don't run sid, simple |
| 19:05.06 | superdump | :) |
| 19:05.14 | isfranc | for games in lenny, what s the best way for wine ? |
| 19:05.15 | jordanm | superdump: well, is that the bug you are referring to? |
| 19:05.22 | superdump | i can still want sid to work |
| 19:05.25 | superdump | one moment |
| 19:05.31 | jordanm | !sid |
| 19:05.31 | dpkg | sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. Sid is the destructive kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in; sid is not supported in #debian because sid users should be able to solve their own problems. Sid will never be released. See also <sid faq> <unstable>. |
| 19:05.43 | jordanm | yes, you can "want" |
| 19:06.12 | sepult | help my debian got to the boehmian state! |
| 19:06.21 | sepult | lol |
| 19:06.30 | superdump | jordanm: yes, that one or 585493 or so |
| 19:06.33 | mick_laptop | all "savant"-like? ;) |
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| 19:07.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | I want 10 million dollars |
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| 19:07.13 | jordanm | superdump: well, its not even been a day yet. if you must work now, restore a backup from before you upgraded |
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| 19:07.23 | jordanm | !tell superdump about moving target |
| 19:07.26 | jordanm | superdump: same applies to sid |
| 19:07.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | and to be healthy and stay young and happy and not die until I want to |
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| 19:09.32 | OldParr | executing time-admin does not lets me modify time and date it says: system configuration access not allowed ..... |
| 19:09.57 | superdump | jordanm: well, i am a foss dev and i do like to help out when i can. i'm happier running unstable and i'm not complaining about unstable being unstable |
| 19:10.44 | superdump | i'm just trying to locate a package and enquiring about its progress in the meantime |
| 19:11.12 | jordanm | superdump: I recommend isolating your "help out where you can" system from your "I need this crap to work" system... |
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| 19:11.32 | OldParr | executing time-admin as root does not lets me modify time and date it says: system configuration access not allowed ..... |
| 19:11.45 | superdump | i would prefer to have more recent packages and that is my choice |
| 19:11.53 | superdump | i take the problems that come with it |
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| 19:13.45 | jordanm | superdump: I am only suggesting and pointing out that sid is not generally supported here |
| 19:13.51 | superdump | i would rather learn how to deal with the half-installed package such that i can install what is necessary to build an amd64 package |
| 19:13.58 | superdump | ok, fair enough |
| 19:14.16 | superdump | is there somewhere where it is supported in some fashion or at least discussed? |
| 19:14.30 | superdump | if supported isn't the right word :) |
| 19:14.31 | jordanm | superdump: the debian-users list is much more flexible on what they support |
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| 19:14.51 | superdump | ok |
| 19:14.52 | Bushmills | superdump: if you don't need different kernel versions, vserver is a lightweight and quick way to concurrently run stable, testing and unstable |
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| 19:15.23 | Bushmills | pre-compiled versions are ready to install |
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| 19:16.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | superdump, you're really supposed to already know what you're doing when you run sid :) |
| 19:16.23 | Plouj | when dpkg -i says "dpkg (subprocess): unable to execute new pre-installation script: No such file or directory" how can I tell which file it's looking for? |
| 19:16.39 | jordanm | Plouj: preinst |
| 19:16.59 | Bushmills | http://linux-vserver.org/ that's the contraption |
| 19:17.41 | Plouj | jordanm: thanks |
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| 19:20.09 | superdump | i grabbed -7 from snapshot.d.o, dpkg -i that then set initscripts to be held to that version for the time being |
| 19:21.06 | superdump | thanks for the suggestions though |
| 19:21.12 | superdump | i'll bear them in mind as time goes on |
| 19:21.21 | superdump | have a good day/evening/whatever time of day remains |
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| 19:25.08 | VamoCeleste | is back (gone 10:21:58) |
| 19:26.28 | Appetite | is weapbot an approved bot? |
| 19:26.40 | nsadmin | VamoCeleste, ahh, you have one of those old automatic away things that (how quaint...) posts status to the channel |
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| 19:27.35 | jordanm | Appetite: never seen or heard of them. did it PM you on join? |
| 19:27.41 | Appetite | yes jordanm |
| 19:27.45 | Appetite | like 5 lines on join, jordanm |
| 19:28.12 | emorris | is it me or is volatile.debian.org and security.debian.org down? |
| 19:28.13 | jordanm | !ops WeapBot on-join spam |
| 19:28.13 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: jordanm complains about: WeapBot on-join spam |
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| 19:28.59 | Appetite | thanks. |
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| 19:29.39 | abrotman | Appetite: thank you |
| 19:29.43 | Appetite | np abrotman |
| 19:29.50 | nsadmin | the interesting thing is weapbot joined right before you did |
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| 19:30.10 | nsadmin | when I left it spammed me too, only one line |
| 19:30.27 | Appetite | ah i didn't leave, so ididnt know if it did anyone on part |
| 19:30.31 | Appetite | i just know on join was 4 lines, for me anyway |
| 19:31.13 | nsadmin | I saw two lines right in a row... weapbot joins, then you join |
| 19:31.22 | Appetite | nsadmin: O.o |
| 19:31.47 | Appetite | i guess i just got unlucky ;p |
| 19:31.53 | jordanm | and your shellaccount apparently comes with eggdrop preinstalled :P |
| 19:32.16 | Appetite | jordanm: what? |
| 19:32.25 | abrotman | !tell VamoCeleste about away |
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| 19:33.03 | prodcutnews1 | asking ubuntu Q in ubuntu (debian derived ) room.... whatz best internet download manager for ubuntu 9.04 ? |
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| 19:33.17 | jordanm | !ubuntu |
| 19:33.18 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 19:33.27 | nsadmin | prodcutnews1: wrong channel |
| 19:33.33 | Hering__ | "download manager" ... please part |
| 19:33.36 | jordanm | Appetite: shellium/member/titan is your cloak. I was shellium was a shell account service with eggdrop |
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| 19:33.46 | Appetite | jordanm: ah, (1) i'm not on my shell, on my personal computer, just using the cloak, and (2) if it was my bot, i wouldn't report it now would i? ;p |
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| 19:33.52 | Appetite | and jordanm i dont use irc bots ;p |
| 19:33.53 | simonrvn | "internet download manager" ... |
| 19:33.55 | jordanm | Appetite: what stood out, and caused me to check was "titan", which is also in my host mask |
| 19:34.09 | puty | vcnviewer / no protocol specified error: can't open display : :0 . / i'am login in terminal as root /any idea? |
| 19:34.20 | Appetite | ah i see jordanm |
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| 19:34.59 | PeterNL | Hi, I'm using debian testing, and I upgraded fglrx to 10.5. How do I revert to 10.4? |
| 19:35.38 | nsadmin | PeterNL: see what you have in /var/cache/apt/archives to start with |
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| 19:36.05 | PeterNL | nsadmin: nothing |
| 19:36.24 | PeterNL | Well, not exactly nothing, but not fglrx 10.4 |
| 19:36.28 | nsadmin | so you very recently did apt-et clean? |
| 19:36.33 | nsadmin | oh ok |
| 19:36.58 | PeterNL | No, it's more like I already tried that many times... |
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| 19:37.23 | nsadmin | dunno, I guess you would find a fglrx 10.4 package that goes with your running kernel version |
| 19:37.41 | nsadmin | did you ever have 10.4? |
| 19:37.46 | PeterNL | Where would I fine that? ATi's own installer doesn work for me |
| 19:38.04 | PeterNL | I had 10.4 before 10.5 was in the repos |
| 19:38.10 | nsadmin | see what they say on #ati |
| 19:38.14 | Emmanuel_Chanel | Hello! |
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| 19:38.34 | PeterNL | Nothing. It's quiet in #ati |
| 19:38.39 | slacker_nl | PeterNL: which package did you install for fglrx? |
| 19:38.48 | PeterNL | fglrx-* |
| 19:39.11 | nsadmin | not really specific enough... plus, that part is obvious |
| 19:39.48 | slacker_nl | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:39.48 | slacker_nl | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:40.16 | PeterNL | :D |
| 19:40.21 | PeterNL | slacker_nl: Thanks |
| 19:40.38 | nsadmin | are those packages not tied to a particular kernel version? |
| 19:40.41 | slacker_nl | that is the fglrx-driver pacakge |
| 19:41.04 | nsadmin | oh, you build the driver pacakge from that? |
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| 19:41.19 | PeterNL | Yeah, for what kernel are those packages? |
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| 19:41.55 | nsadmin | probably you build a package for it then install that |
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| 19:42.17 | slacker_nl | i think it will work with any kernel |
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| 19:47.56 | fiox | good evening |
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| 19:48.30 | fiox | If someone had to do with switching between video cards? |
| 19:48.39 | tharkun | !asj |
| 19:48.40 | dpkg | rumour has it, asj is boren's alter ego |
| 19:48.45 | tharkun | !ask |
| 19:48.46 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 19:49.53 | nsadmin | fiox, /msg dpkg sicco |
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| 19:50.54 | fiox | sorry but I do not speak English well, What is Sicco? |
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| 19:51.32 | nsadmin | I'm a sicco, we're a sicco, he's a sicco, she's a sicco, wouldn't you like to be a sicco too? |
| 19:51.39 | nsadmin | !sicco |
| 19:51.40 | dpkg | Please ask sicco questions, questions that are Specific, Informative, Concise, Complete, and On-topic. Ask me about <research> and <cooperation in asking for help>. |
| 19:52.20 | fiox | ok |
| 19:52.58 | nsadmin | the more you can say about what you want, the more people will know if they can answer |
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| 19:54.15 | fiox | I have a laptop with a dual video card, an Intel and nvidia , but I can not run the nvidia card |
| 19:54.36 | fiox | I installed the beta drivers to nvidia.com |
| 19:54.46 | nsadmin | why can't you run it? |
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| 19:55.32 | fiox | exchange between video cards is automatic |
| 19:55.44 | fiox | this is nvidia optimus |
| 19:56.16 | nsadmin | so it's out of your control? |
| 19:56.26 | fiox | after installing the beta drivers , i have run the nvidia-xconfig |
| 19:56.34 | fiox | yes |
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| 19:56.42 | nsadmin | pastebin the output of lspci -nn |
| 19:56.43 | fiox | the result is |
| 19:56.45 | fiox | ok |
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| 19:57.10 | fiox | http://pastebin.com/0uP611zf |
| 19:57.16 | nsadmin | still not saying I can solve it.... but I'll look |
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| 19:57.54 | fiox | ok |
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| 19:58.39 | nsadmin | since you have two cards, maybe you have to tell the driver which pci slot |
| 19:58.51 | fiox | and this is the log whit the xorg.conf generated by nvidia-xconfig http://pastebin.com/xbp5KhYC |
| 19:59.22 | fiox | but (--) PCI: (0:1:0:0) 10de:0a70:1043:1432 nVidia Corporation GT218 [GeForce 310M] |
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| 19:59.29 | fiox | (II) Primary Device is: PCI 00@00:02:0 |
| 19:59.29 | fiox | (EE) No devices detected. |
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| 19:59.58 | fiox | should not be already set the nvidia card as primary? |
| 20:00.06 | fiox | ups..no |
| 20:00.40 | fiox | The first card is intel, you can resolve by changing xorg? |
| 20:01.18 | nsadmin | maybe... perhaps you could tell it the pci location of the card |
| 20:01.44 | fiox | yes whit PCI xxx |
| 20:01.52 | nsadmin | there's a specific form for it |
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| 20:02.30 | fiox | mmh I do not remember now I am |
| 20:02.37 | nsadmin | your card seems to be at 01:00.0 |
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| 20:03.02 | nsadmin | and I'm not sure how that string has to be changed to be accepted by xorg.conf |
| 20:03.47 | fiox | can be groped |
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| 20:06.46 | fiox | I do not understand this http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=139399&language=en |
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| 20:07.03 | fiox | may be a solution? |
| 20:07.40 | nsadmin | oops I gotta get going... you have a good start, save those pastebins, they're really good info |
| 20:08.02 | fiox | ok.. |
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| 20:19.49 | yoda___2 | hi |
| 20:19.56 | yoda___2 | I need help |
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| 20:20.05 | yoda___2 | I have installed Debian |
| 20:20.17 | yoda___2 | but I have to install a X window manager |
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| 20:20.22 | yoda___2 | tell me how do that |
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| 20:22.06 | yoda___2 | there is none here that can help me? |
| 20:22.08 | yoda___2 | :( |
| 20:22.15 | emorris | ask nicely and be patient! |
| 20:22.42 | yoda___2 | sorry |
| 20:22.44 | yoda___2 | :) |
| 20:23.55 | jhutchins_lt | yoda___2: Try to conserve the linefeeds too, helps with the scrollbuffer. |
| 20:24.03 | jhutchins_lt | yoda___2: How did you get as far as you have? |
| 20:24.45 | yoda___2 | I don't understand what you say |
| 20:24.48 | yoda___2 | sorry |
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| 20:25.08 | jhutchins_lt | What procedure did you follow to install Debian? |
| 20:25.47 | yoda___2 | I dowloaded a torrent of i386 from official site then I installed it with simple graphical installation |
| 20:26.09 | jhutchins_lt | yoda___2: desktop or laptop? |
| 20:26.28 | yoda___2 | laptop |
| 20:26.33 | Bushmills | yoda___2: run, as root, aptitude. then take your pick |
| 20:26.36 | yoda___2 | hp presario x1000 |
| 20:26.36 | jordanm | yoda___2: tasksel desktop laptop |
| 20:26.38 | jhutchins_lt | try tasksel laptop |
| 20:26.52 | PeterNL | slacker_nl: the debs from lenny-backports didn't work |
| 20:27.13 | jhutchins_lt | yoda___2: Or what jordanm said is probably better. |
| 20:27.21 | jhutchins_lt | !doesn't work |
| 20:27.21 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>. |
| 20:27.23 | yoda___2 | wait |
| 20:28.00 | PeterNL | X didn't start after I installed the debs |
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| 20:28.24 | Bushmills | PeterNL: what did you do to try to start it? |
| 20:28.52 | PeterNL | Nothing, as usual |
| 20:29.02 | Bushmills | if you do nothing, why should X start? |
| 20:29.03 | yoda___2 | ok sorry |
| 20:29.12 | yoda___2 | so I have to write this command ? "tasksel laptop" ? |
| 20:29.24 | jordanm | PeterNL: if you installed gnome: invoke-rc.d gdm start |
| 20:29.38 | jordanm | yoda___2: yes, and likely desktop too |
| 20:30.01 | PeterNL | It doesn't start because I installed fglrx 10.4. It starts with fglrx 10.5 and with the open driers, but I need 10.4! |
| 20:30.08 | PeterNL | drivers* |
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| 20:31.13 | starenka__ | hi how can i ssh to machine run a script and disconnect w/out killing the script? i was thinking about at, but im unable to pass arg to -f option (need to run the script w/ arg), any idea? sombeody told me to use screen, but i have no f* clue, what the man says |
| 20:31.33 | starenka__ | s/man/man page |
| 20:31.33 | slacker_nl | PeterNL: sucks |
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| 20:31.58 | PeterNL | SlayerXP: video derievr suck in general, no mater the OS or brand :| |
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| 20:32.25 | PeterNL | drivers* |
| 20:32.32 | PeterNL | matter* |
| 20:32.33 | Bushmills | starenka__: nohup, disown, screen or tmux are the mist commonly used choices |
| 20:32.41 | PeterNL | my keyboard sucks as well |
| 20:32.46 | jordanm | starenka__: screen; myscrit; ctrl+d; exit |
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| 20:34.01 | starenka__ | jordanm: can i somehow emulate c+d? the script will be run by noobs... i need them to "script myarg" go away |
| 20:34.46 | starenka__ | jordanm: or you mean logout => ctrl+d |
| 20:35.02 | Bushmills | Jordan myscript & , by any chance? |
| 20:35.20 | jordanm | starenka__: screen is not the best choice if you will be doing it non-interactively |
| 20:35.40 | jordanm | in that case I would use noh |
| 20:35.42 | jordanm | nohup |
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| 20:35.58 | starenka__ | jordanm: ok, will rtfm |
| 20:35.59 | starenka__ | thx |
| 20:36.02 | jordanm | Bushmills: myscript & disown |
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| 20:38.03 | starenka__ | jordanm: nohup seems a bit aggressive |
| 20:38.13 | starenka__ | i tried it w/ 'yes' |
| 20:38.29 | starenka__ | and i need to go to text terminal to kill it :D |
| 20:38.44 | starenka__ | i coulnd't even logout from xterm |
| 20:39.01 | jordanm | starenka__: nohup command & disown |
| 20:39.24 | OldParr | executing time-admin as root does not lets me modify time and date it says: system configuration access not allowed ..... |
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| 20:40.53 | Bushmills | OldParr: what is it you intend to do? |
| 20:40.58 | yoda___2 | I have tried that comand but it didn't work |
| 20:41.07 | jordanm | !doesn't work |
| 20:41.08 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>. |
| 20:41.08 | Bushmills | means:"why time-admin" |
| 20:42.02 | TomyLobo | how can i make my linux not grind to death if one application eats up all cpu? |
| 20:42.07 | OldParr | Bushmills: to set the time and date by meqans of time-admin |
| 20:42.22 | Bushmills | OldParr: ntpdate pool.ntp.org |
| 20:42.38 | yoda___2 | tell me what to write to get a graphical window manager |
| 20:42.45 | yoda___2 | what command? |
| 20:42.53 | Bushmills | yoda___2: 1. choose one. 2. install it. |
| 20:43.01 | Bushmills | aptitude |
| 20:43.02 | valdyn | TomyLobo: it doesnt grind to death from one app eating cpu |
| 20:43.04 | yoda___2 | suggest me a good one |
| 20:43.13 | Bushmills | no, yuu do. |
| 20:43.32 | Bushmills | "good" is too relative |
| 20:43.32 | TomyLobo | jackd 99% cpu (after resuming from hibernation) |
| 20:43.39 | yoda___2 | I have seen these http://packages.debian.org/lenny/x-window-manager |
| 20:43.44 | yoda___2 | I don't know them |
| 20:43.47 | TomyLobo | and i can barely do anything right now |
| 20:43.48 | valdyn | TomyLobo: you gave realtime priority to jackd |
| 20:43.52 | yoda___2 | tell me what are better |
| 20:43.55 | TomyLobo | PR is -2 |
| 20:44.02 | Bushmills | "better" is relative too |
| 20:44.02 | TomyLobo | not sure what that means |
| 20:44.04 | valdyn | TomyLobo: by definition jackd is allowed to grind it to death |
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| 20:44.21 | valdyn | TomyLobo: the nice value matters, not PR |
| 20:44.22 | Bushmills | yoda___2: define your terms of making a window manager "better" |
| 20:44.28 | TomyLobo | that's 0 |
| 20:44.32 | yoda___2 | graphically detailed |
| 20:44.36 | JasonWoof | why am I getting this http://paste.debian.net/77064/ instead of the wikipedia page editor? |
| 20:44.38 | yoda___2 | rich graphically |
| 20:44.39 | OldParr | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:44.43 | Bushmills | "detail" is a matter of resolution |
| 20:44.53 | valdyn | TomyLobo: i guess top lis lieing or incomplete |
| 20:44.54 | Bushmills | and maybe of chosen icon set |
| 20:44.55 | yoda___2 | nicer graphically |
| 20:44.58 | yoda___2 | standard |
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| 20:45.06 | yoda___2 | what you have otherwise |
| 20:45.10 | Bushmills | OldParr: install ntpdate |
| 20:45.35 | yoda___2 | I have seen this http://seminer.linux.org.tr/seminer-notlari/masaustu/fluxbox.jpg |
| 20:45.38 | yoda___2 | it seems nice |
| 20:45.45 | Bushmills | icewm is simple, small, fast and not too bad. though i am afraid it won't match your idea of being "better" |
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| 20:45.50 | yoda___2 | but I can't find fluxbox package |
| 20:45.54 | PeterNL | oops |
| 20:45.56 | Bushmills | xfce4 is popular and compact |
| 20:46.02 | Bushmills | in comparison to the larger ones |
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| 20:46.21 | arand | Is there a good guide on the layout and content of a request to update a package? |
| 20:46.24 | Emmanuel_Chanel_ | Hello! Where can I ask help? |
| 20:46.26 | valdyn | TomyLobo: or i think i got confused, PR of -2 beats about every process that you might run |
| 20:46.32 | Bushmills | compiz is probably the most eye-candy one |
| 20:46.35 | TomyLobo | set it to 19, still the same |
| 20:46.41 | yoda___2 | Bushmills you talked to me about xfce4 ? |
| 20:46.45 | Bushmills | i.e. matching "nice" the best |
| 20:47.17 | Bushmills | yes, xfce4 was directed at you |
| 20:47.17 | TomyLobo | valdyn how do i change the priority? |
| 20:47.29 | TomyLobo | cant kill it for some reason |
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| 20:47.46 | valdyn | TomyLobo: try kill -5 |
| 20:47.55 | valdyn | TomyLobo: or which kill command did you already use? |
| 20:48.01 | yoda___2 | I can't find package Bushmills |
| 20:48.03 | yoda___2 | why? |
| 20:48.06 | OldParr | bushmills ntpdate is not on the repos .... |
| 20:48.13 | yoda___2 | maybe I have bd repo link in sources.list |
| 20:48.16 | TomyLobo | valdyn "killall jackd" and the one in top |
| 20:48.17 | yoda___2 | bad* |
| 20:48.19 | valdyn | TomyLobo: is this a debian system witha debian kernel? |
| 20:48.29 | TomyLobo | regular squeeze |
| 20:48.38 | valdyn | TomyLobo: try killall -5 |
| 20:48.59 | valdyn | !kill |
| 20:49.05 | Bushmills | OldParr: ntpdate - client for setting system time from NTP servers - yes, it is |
| 20:49.06 | yoda___2 | I have written apt-get install xfwm4 ..is correct? |
| 20:49.07 | valdyn | !test |
| 20:49.07 | dpkg | Test failed. |
| 20:49.15 | Bushmills | OldParr: what distribution are you running? |
| 20:49.34 | TomyLobo | same thing |
| 20:49.36 | yoda___2 | help me guys :( |
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| 20:49.48 | valdyn | TomyLobo: -9 as last resort |
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| 20:50.02 | TomyLobo | valdyn "killall -9 jackd" right? |
| 20:50.03 | Bushmills | one can't find xfce4, the other can't find ntpdate??? what is wrong today? |
| 20:50.09 | valdyn | TomyLobo: yes |
| 20:50.20 | valdyn | TomyLobo: thats bad advice, but it might just do what you want anyway |
| 20:50.20 | TomyLobo | that worked ^^ |
| 20:50.35 | TomyLobo | what does it do? |
| 20:50.41 | OldParr | Bushmills : this debian |
| 20:50.44 | Bushmills | are the debian servers down, by any chance? |
| 20:50.51 | yoda___2 | maybe I have bad repo links |
| 20:50.56 | yoda___2 | tell me good repo links |
| 20:51.07 | yoda___2 | I will add them in sources.list |
| 20:51.31 | Bushmills | ah. friday evening. that must be it. |
| 20:51.38 | valdyn | TomyLobo: I cant explain it accurately, you can try google |
| 20:51.54 | valdyn | TomyLobo: in essence it does not permit the process to clean up properly |
| 20:52.01 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions ntpdate |
| 20:52.04 | valdyn | TomyLobo: which could cause issues, but probably does not for you |
| 20:52.04 | judd | ntpdate -- etch: 1:4.2.2.p4+dfsg-2etch4; etch-security: 1:4.2.2.p4+dfsg-2etch4; lenny: 1:4.2.4p4+dfsg-8lenny3; lenny-security: 1:4.2.4p4+dfsg-8lenny3; sid: 1:4.2.6.p1+dfsg-1; squeeze: 1:4.2.6.p1+dfsg-1 |
| 20:52.24 | OldParr | debian-station:/home/wayuu# date --set 16:21:00 |
| 20:52.25 | OldParr | vie jun 11 16:21:00 VET 2010 |
| 20:53.05 | TomyLobo | valdyn well my alternative would be a shutdown, which would do that anyway, right? |
| 20:53.11 | valdyn | TomyLobo: linux has various extensions to the "standard" nice priorites. I dont know which one your jackd is using |
| 20:53.17 | jhutchins_lt | !tell yoda___2 about sources. |
| 20:53.37 | valdyn | TomyLobo: no, a shutdown would clean up properly where possible and use -9 as last resort |
| 20:53.51 | valdyn | TomyLobo: ( or similar anyway ) |
| 20:54.01 | TomyLobo | yeah it would do what i did with the other kill commands, right? |
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| 20:54.14 | valdyn | TomyLobo: something like that yes |
| 20:54.21 | yoda___2 | with aptitude instead of apt-get I can find packages |
| 20:54.23 | yoda___2 | good |
| 20:54.26 | yoda___2 | :) |
| 20:54.33 | yoda___2 | I am installing fluxbox |
| 20:55.10 | yoda___2 | is good fluxbox? |
| 20:55.19 | Emmanuel_Chanel | I use Debian lenny. And I have a trouble with courier-imap-ssl now. |
| 20:55.20 | Bushmills | yes, quite ok |
| 20:55.22 | Emmanuel_Chanel | potato:/etc/courier# openssl s_client -connect localhost:imaps |
| 20:55.22 | Emmanuel_Chanel | connect: Connection refused |
| 20:55.22 | Emmanuel_Chanel | connect:errno=29 |
| 20:55.25 | valdyn | TomyLobo: either my google foo or google itself sucks. Not finding the docs to the signals i wanted to show you.. |
| 20:55.26 | blu3t0oth | It's minimalistic and fast =D |
| 20:55.28 | Emmanuel_Chanel | Like that now. |
| 20:55.42 | Bushmills | but probably not matching your demands of "high detail" and "nice graphics" |
| 20:55.43 | yoda___2 | ok |
| 20:55.55 | TomyLobo | valdyn thanks, but i think i understand what it does now |
| 20:55.57 | yoda___2 | :( |
| 20:56.03 | yoda___2 | so I can install another one? |
| 20:56.17 | yoda___2 | xfwm4 ? |
| 20:56.25 | yoda___2 | ok I will try |
| 20:56.28 | Bushmills | that's part of xfce4 |
| 20:56.32 | blu3t0oth | Yup |
| 20:56.42 | blu3t0oth | Gnome, KDE, XFCE, Fluxbox, IceWM, Openbox, Enlightment ... |
| 20:56.46 | Bushmills | which you say you can't find |
| 20:56.54 | valdyn | TomyLobo: probably http://superuser.com/questions/49024/kill-9-programs-but-they-still-hang-on |
| 20:57.02 | blondie_ | Blackbox ? |
| 20:57.13 | TomyLobo | i think it deletes the process from the process table and frees all memory allocated by it and closes handles associated to it, but does not allow the process to run its own shutdown routine |
| 20:57.14 | blu3t0oth | Blackbox is minimalistic too. |
| 20:57.17 | blu3t0oth | Enlightment is good. |
| 20:57.18 | Bushmills | a bit like fluxbox |
| 20:57.25 | blondie_ | yeah |
| 20:57.27 | valdyn | TomyLobo: yea, thats right |
| 20:57.53 | yoda___2 | aptitude can't find xfwm4 |
| 20:57.55 | yoda___2 | :( |
| 20:58.09 | yoda___2 | I try with "xfce4" |
| 20:58.11 | yoda___2 | maybe |
| 20:58.30 | yoda___2 | neither |
| 20:58.31 | TomyLobo | since jackd has no child processes and afaik no temporaries that are not overwritten the next time, it should be fine |
| 20:58.32 | blu3t0oth | If you are experienced enough, you can use awesome |
| 20:58.32 | yoda___2 | :( |
| 20:58.44 | yoda___2 | anyway how now I could make starting fluxbox I have installed? |
| 20:58.47 | yoda___2 | with startx? |
| 20:58.58 | valdyn | TomyLobo: except that what you listed wont work while a process is stuck in a syscall, you'd get a zombie |
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| 20:59.07 | jhutchins_lt | yoda___2: Why don't you fix your sources? |
| 20:59.10 | Bushmills | yoda___2: http://forthfreak.net/trees/flip.avi that is xfce4 with compiz on a netbook. unluckily showing (off) only one single aspect of compiz here |
| 20:59.24 | TomyLobo | yoda___2 nowadays we use xdm, kdm, gdm |
| 20:59.31 | valdyn | TomyLobo: but thats usually also not problematic with a sound daemon |
| 20:59.32 | yoda___2 | ok wait |
| 20:59.42 | blu3t0oth | yoda__2, what display manager you use? |
| 20:59.48 | blu3t0oth | xdm is good. |
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| 21:01.07 | yoda___2 | I have seen the video |
| 21:01.11 | yoda___2 | ok |
| 21:01.15 | Bushmills | you can't have seen that |
| 21:01.21 | yoda___2 | why? |
| 21:01.22 | Bushmills | it wasn't published |
| 21:01.39 | yoda___2 | this you linked me http://forthfreak.net/trees/flip.avi |
| 21:01.43 | Bushmills | yes |
| 21:01.48 | yoda___2 | I have seen it |
| 21:02.05 | Bushmills | i can prove by looking at the access log that you haven't :) |
| 21:02.09 | yoda___2 | display manager blu3t=oth mmm |
| 21:02.15 | TomyLobo | does anyone else think gedit is the worst editor ever written? |
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| 21:02.22 | yoda___2 | there was a clock |
| 21:02.27 | yoda___2 | I have seen it |
| 21:02.29 | yoda___2 | :P |
| 21:02.29 | PeterNL | TomyLobo: I like gedit |
| 21:02.43 | Bushmills | the video doesn't claim that it is the only video with a clock ever made |
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| 21:04.38 | yoda___2 | so I have installed fluxbox |
| 21:04.47 | yoda___2 | how can I make stat it? |
| 21:04.54 | yoda___2 | just reboot? |
| 21:05.28 | yoda___2 | :( |
| 21:05.28 | TomyLobo | i dont want to start one of those editor wars, but i'll just name counter-intuitive key mappings, the absence of regex searching and basically everything i'm used to from kate/kwrite and textpad |
| 21:05.42 | yoda___2 | try emacs |
| 21:05.47 | yoda___2 | Stallman will approve |
| 21:05.49 | yoda___2 | :p |
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| 21:06.10 | PeterNL | TomyLobo: It's just what you are used to. I'm used to gedit :D |
| 21:06.11 | yoda___2 | it has a lot of key shotcuts |
| 21:06.26 | Bushmills | gedit doesn't even run on console |
| 21:06.27 | yoda___2 | so what I have to do now? |
| 21:06.28 | TomyLobo | PeterNL how do you join a bunch of lines into one? |
| 21:06.33 | yoda___2 | how making run fluxbox? |
| 21:06.42 | saulo | Hello all, I'm using poedit to create my gettext files. But I'm receiving this error: system_pt_br.po:39: a format specification for argument 1, as in 'msgstr', doesn't exist in 'msgid' |
| 21:06.49 | saulo | for lines who have "%s" |
| 21:06.58 | PeterNL | TomyLobo: I don't |
| 21:06.59 | yoda___2 | help me ! |
| 21:07.02 | yoda___2 | :'( |
| 21:07.06 | Bushmills | yoda___2: too much handholding |
| 21:07.06 | TomyLobo | i do, frequently |
| 21:07.25 | Bushmills | need to tell every step for you to progress. develop some own initiative |
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| 21:07.40 | yoda___2 | :( |
| 21:07.47 | yoda___2 | just tell me this |
| 21:07.47 | Bushmills | yoda___2: look at what a display manager can do for you |
| 21:07.56 | Bushmills | or look at what startx can do for you |
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| 21:08.07 | yoda___2 | it doesn't start anymore now |
| 21:08.13 | yoda___2 | i don't know why |
| 21:08.15 | yoda___2 | :( |
| 21:08.19 | yoda___2 | I will try again |
| 21:08.22 | k1ng | CMake Error: Could not find CMAKE_ROOT !!! |
| 21:08.23 | k1ng | CMake has most likely not been installed correctly. |
| 21:08.30 | k1ng | ^ any idea how to fix this? |
| 21:08.32 | TomyLobo | like, when an if block gets so short it becomes a single line. mark, ctrl-j and it is one line. very useful in languages that enforce block delimiters, like Lua or SuperCollider (which both happen to be languages i use) |
| 21:08.46 | TomyLobo | and SuperCollider doesn't have a plugin for kate, just for gedit and emacs |
| 21:09.04 | TomyLobo | so i picked the one that's not an OS :) |
| 21:09.40 | AimHere | I read about SuperCollider having an emacs plugin and immediately thought M-x find-higgs-boson |
| 21:10.07 | TomyLobo | heh, nah it's a sound processing language |
| 21:10.24 | Bushmills | may be bad for emacs, giving it even more mass |
| 21:11.00 | yoda___2 | I don't know how continue |
| 21:11.00 | yoda___2 | :( |
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| 21:11.17 | Bushmills | well, reading about display managers or startx was really fast. did it help you? |
| 21:11.20 | saulo | Somebody have another catalog manager (like poedit)? |
| 21:11.38 | TomyLobo | yoda___2 apt-get install xdm fluxbox |
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| 21:11.45 | yoda___2 | ok |
| 21:12.10 | yoda___2 | there are no package to install |
| 21:12.12 | yoda___2 | :( |
| 21:12.22 | TomyLobo | then, if the install script doesn't already, start the xdm, select fluxbox, login, done |
| 21:12.25 | Bushmills | because they are installed already |
| 21:12.37 | TomyLobo | /etc/init.d/xdm start |
| 21:12.44 | yoda___2 | ok |
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| 21:13.05 | yoda___2 | no such file |
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| 21:13.07 | yoda___2 | :( |
| 21:13.16 | Bushmills | passes yoda___2 on to TomyLobo. for the next questions, like "how do i start a program" |
| 21:13.21 | TomyLobo | no typo? |
| 21:13.23 | yoda___2 | :( |
| 21:13.25 | yoda___2 | :'( |
| 21:13.28 | sunoano | using gparted, when a partition has been deleted but not yet overwritten, how can it be restored? |
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| 21:13.34 | yoda___2 | Bushmills is evil |
| 21:13.36 | yoda___2 | :'( |
| 21:13.38 | TomyLobo | stop the emo tears if you want help |
| 21:13.47 | TomyLobo | i consider it spam |
| 21:13.48 | yoda___2 | ok |
| 21:13.52 | yoda___2 | ok sorry |
| 21:14.24 | TomyLobo | what are you in atm? fullscreen text thingy? |
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| 21:14.46 | TomyLobo | or graphical thingy? |
| 21:14.52 | yoda___2 | textual console |
| 21:15.04 | TomyLobo | have you tried ctrl-alt-f7? :) |
| 21:15.08 | yoda___2 | no |
| 21:15.10 | yoda___2 | wait |
| 21:15.29 | TomyLobo | might be one of the other f keys |
| 21:15.32 | yoda___2 | it doesn't work |
| 21:15.39 | TomyLobo | ctrl-alt-f1 takes you back to the console |
| 21:15.42 | yoda___2 | ok I try |
| 21:15.42 | Bushmills | TomyLobo: consider to suggest an aptitude update to yoda___2 |
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| 21:15.57 | yoda___2 | I have already done it bushmills |
| 21:16.04 | yoda___2 | a lot of times |
| 21:16.20 | Bushmills | once should be enough. important is that you done that |
| 21:16.22 | TomyLobo | Bushmills yeah, that's for debian like rebooting is for windows :) |
| 21:18.24 | yoda___2 | debian doesn't seem very newbie-user friendly :/ |
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| 21:18.28 | Xires | can someone please point me to some detailed information on the 'automated install' option on the netinstall CD? |
| 21:18.41 | smhar | I am looking for gnome panel replacement -or even a gnome replacement- for my 7 years old kid's computer, something like docky will be nice, but I want it to have a 'drawer' feature where a main icon 'games' contains sub items, what are my options |
| 21:18.46 | Xires | !automated nstall |
| 21:18.54 | Xires | :-\ dunno how to use the bot |
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| 21:19.32 | Bushmills | smhar: xfce4 looks quite a lot like gnome, can also execute its panel applets and such, but is a lot lighter |
| 21:19.50 | Bushmills | "drawer" is one of the things xfce4 has as native plugin |
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| 21:20.29 | smhar | does it have some eye candy? |
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| 21:20.35 | Bushmills | such as? |
| 21:21.04 | smhar | nice big icons, little animations here and there |
| 21:21.13 | TomyLobo | yoda___2 what did you use to install? netinst? |
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| 21:21.34 | Bushmills | icon sets are not really desktop specific. you can use non-xfce icons. for example, gnome icons. |
| 21:21.40 | yoda___2 | from here http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.4/i386/bt-cd/ |
| 21:21.45 | Bushmills | animations not really. |
| 21:21.46 | yoda___2 | cd 1 |
| 21:22.06 | Bushmills | compiz works quite ok with it. that gives you more eye-candy |
| 21:22.19 | Bushmills | (i.e. compiz instead of xfwm4) |
| 21:23.12 | Bushmills | desktop will, as result, still be rather gnomish, but all the compiz-enabled things will be active too then |
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| 21:23.24 | janis | hi guys!! in exim4, how do I set a default outgoing rewrite address for all mail, that is overridbar from email_addresses? If I use dc_readaddr, it disregards the exceptions in email_addresses |
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| 21:23.53 | smhar | I tried 'docky' but it seems it lacks 'drawer' feature |
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| 21:25.35 | Bushmills | actually, when i said "native drawer", i lied. |
| 21:25.47 | Emmanuel_Chanel | Is there someone who are very good at courier-imap-ssl ? |
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| 21:27.34 | Emmanuel_Chanel | I wanna help about courier-imap-ssl not accessible... |
| 21:27.48 | Emmanuel_Chanel | I reinstalled it. |
| 21:27.59 | Emmanuel_Chanel | And now I cannot access by my shell account. |
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| 21:28.31 | Emmanuel_Chanel | potato:/etc/courier# openssl s_client -connect emmanuelc.yuuna.org:993 |
| 21:28.31 | Emmanuel_Chanel | CONNECTED(00000003) |
| 21:28.31 | Emmanuel_Chanel | write:errno=104 |
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| 21:36.13 | FDfh | Hi, ntp isn't syncing when I boot, does anyone know why?? |
| 21:37.22 | jordanm | FDfh: is ntpd set to start on boot? |
| 21:37.52 | FDfh | jordanm: no, what command would I use to sync? |
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| 21:38.27 | jordanm | FDfh: well, that would be your answer, just set ntpd to start on default runlevels |
| 21:38.39 | FDfh | jordanm: how? |
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| 21:39.09 | jordanm | FDfh: use sysv-rc-conf (although, I am not not trusting of your no its not set for startup answer) |
| 21:39.19 | smhar | I am trying gnome-shell in debian squeeze, but got the following output with error. |
| 21:39.33 | smhar | it works with errors and is very slow |
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| 21:40.44 | Bushmills | FDfh: what does ntpq -c peers show? |
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| 21:41.10 | FDfh | Bushmills: "No association ID's returned" :\ |
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| 21:41.46 | Bushmills | is your current local time very much off the actual time? |
| 21:42.08 | Bushmills | by local time, i mean computer time |
| 21:42.40 | jordanm | ntpd -q is a manual sync, if you want to try that to see if it fails |
| 21:43.02 | jordanm | it sounds like Bushmills knows a bit more about it than I do however |
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| 21:43.26 | Bushmills | jordanm: i'm also just stabbing at possibilities right now |
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| 21:43.53 | jordanm | Bushmills: I wasn't aware of anything like ntpq -c peers, it was interesting |
| 21:44.19 | Bushmills | inclined to think of either bad config, or bad nvram clock |
| 21:44.40 | jordanm | although, I am not sure what causes them to my "peers" |
| 21:44.52 | Bushmills | yes. misleading term. |
| 21:45.08 | jordanm | mail.freerip.com? |
| 21:46.03 | jordanm | and there goes the OP... |
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| 21:46.14 | Bushmills | with it goes the problem :) |
| 21:46.23 | jordanm | hehe, true :) |
| 21:46.32 | YamiFrankc | hi, whats the name for a graphical package manager for debian? |
| 21:47.00 | smhar | actually it slow beyond being useful. is this normal for it at this stage? |
| 21:47.24 | jordanm | YamiFrankc: synaptic or aptitude-gtk (testing/unstable only) |
| 21:47.37 | Bushmills | ah, that's that nedw generation window manager replacement thing? |
| 21:47.39 | jordanm | smhar: have you checked the BTS? I see a few that could be related |
| 21:48.12 | YamiFrankc | thx jordanm |
| 21:48.22 | smhar | I will check them now jordanm |
| 21:48.32 | Bushmills | found it rather slow too, but that was half a year ago. anf my machine is sub-standard |
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| 21:49.02 | jordanm | geeks with sub-standard machines? |
| 21:49.29 | jordanm | thinks Bushmills should have a cluster of sub-standard machines :p |
| 21:49.37 | Bushmills | only weenies need powerful machines. real geeks to with low-end :) |
| 21:50.07 | Bushmills | oh. and gamers need powerful machines too |
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| 21:50.35 | jordanm | yeah... I game but I still find myself buying upgrade I really don't need |
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| 21:50.56 | jordanm | like the 4gb of RAM I got when I wasn't even swapping on the existing 4... |
| 21:51.04 | Bushmills | 512 MiB here |
| 21:51.26 | jordanm | you don't work somewhere that throws away better than that? |
| 21:51.48 | Bushmills | a netbook is my primary machine... |
| 21:52.22 | Bushmills | 8 GiB internal flash. a whopping 1024x600 screen ... |
| 21:52.24 | jordanm | ah, I never could imagine *really* using one of those. I have an extra-large keyboard and still hit two keys at once fairly often |
| 21:52.46 | Bushmills | oh. external keyboard on this one. and a second monitor. |
| 21:53.10 | Bushmills | and 2x16 GiB external flash in its two slots |
| 21:53.27 | Bushmills | so it is not *that* bad anymore |
| 21:54.03 | Bushmills | my boot server is my wlan router :) |
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| 21:54.11 | jordanm | Bushmills: do you work in IT? |
| 21:54.27 | jordanm | ehh |
| 21:54.28 | jordanm | !ot |
| 21:54.29 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 21:54.31 | Bushmills | can't really deny that |
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| 21:55.15 | Bushmills | ah. ok. my netbook runs debian, if that brings it back to topic |
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| 21:56.42 | jordanm | Bushmills: yes, still more appropriate of #d-ot though. Many of the regular helpers idle in there, and I recommend it to you as well |
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| 21:57.46 | Bushmills | ah, thanks. |
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| 22:21.36 | tharkun | How can i tell rsync to use a different rsa key? |
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| 22:25.45 | Piratero | For some reason I can't seem to ping one of machines that is obviously up. And yet, from that machine I can ping the other machines. |
| 22:26.00 | Piratero | Is anything that I'm missing? I disabled my firewall and still no go. |
| 22:26.11 | rudi_s | tharkun: -e 'ssh -i key/to/use/' .. |
| 22:26.40 | tharkun | rudi_s: thx |
| 22:26.45 | rudi_s | np |
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| 22:27.22 | tharkun | rudi_s: although it does not do shell expansions it must be the full path |
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| 22:27.41 | tharkun | Piratero: full ip or dns resolution? |
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| 22:27.56 | tharkun | Piratero: post iptables-save on a pastebin |
| 22:27.56 | Piratero | Full IP. It's 192.168.0.8. |
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| 22:28.13 | rudi_s | tharkun: I guess that depends where you run it. -e "ssh -i $HOME/.ssh/..." should always work. |
| 22:28.16 | Piratero | Sorry, my firewall isn't using iptables. It's a *nix machine. |
| 22:28.22 | Piratero | I was asking here for general help. |
| 22:28.34 | Piratero | Err, by *nix machine, I mean FreeBSD. |
| 22:28.49 | Piratero | But as I said, I completely disabled the firewall and still no go. |
| 22:29.17 | tharkun | rudi_s: ~ will not expand, i missed the $HOME aproach |
| 22:29.22 | Piratero | It just seems like the machine is down or something. |
| 22:29.46 | rudi_s | Piratero: Does the FreeBSD box respond to pings? This can be set. |
| 22:29.56 | Piratero | Yes. |
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| 22:30.23 | Piratero | All my machines run Debian and FreeBSD. We can all ping each other; no problem. |
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| 22:30.39 | Piratero | I think I might have to recheck the Windows machine. The other problem has to do with RDP. |
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| 22:41.37 | lec | Hi guys, how do I check if C compiler works? |
| 22:41.59 | rudi_s | lec: cc your-c-file.c ? |
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| 22:44.14 | lec | Sorry, well I was just installing (rvm and ruby) and it's saying on my logs that "checking whether the C compiler works... no" |
| 22:45.09 | rudi_s | lec: Have you installed build-deps or is this not a package? You need build-essential package. |
| 22:45.15 | themill | !b-e lec |
| 22:45.16 | dpkg | lec: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
| 22:48.38 | lec | When I issue aptitupe install build-essential, 6 packages will be installed |
| 22:48.49 | lec | A lot were done but this line |
| 22:49.00 | lec | Err http://security.debian.org lenny/updates/main linux-libc-dev 2.6.26-21lenny4 |
| 22:49.00 | lec | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:49.01 | lec | E: Failed to fetch http://security.debian.org/pool/updates/main/l/linux-2.6/linux-libc-dev_2.6.26-21lenny4_i386.deb: 404 Not Found [IP: 128.101.240.212 80] |
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| 22:49.23 | themill | ,versions linux-libc-dev |
| 22:49.25 | judd | linux-libc-dev -- etch-backports: 2.6.26-21~bpo40+1; lenny: 2.6.26-21; lenny-security: 2.6.26-22lenny1; squeeze-security: 2.6.30-8squeeze1; lenny-backports: 2.6.32-11~bpo50+1; sid: 2.6.32-15; squeeze: 2.6.32-15; experimental: 2.6.34-1~experimental.2 |
| 22:49.44 | themill | lec: looks like you've not run an "aptitude update" for a while. |
| 22:50.23 | lec | themill: Actually this is a new vps |
| 22:50.29 | lec | themill: I'll check it out |
| 22:50.46 | themill | so the image that they furnished you with is a little out of date... that happens. |
| 22:51.07 | lec | themill: Aaahh. Hmn.. Thanks. *checking it out |
| 22:52.23 | lec | Hey~ I think that was what I was missing |
| 22:52.50 | lec | Thanks themill and rudi_s and dpkg |
| 22:52.57 | lec | Gonna check out installations first :D |
| 22:53.14 | rudi_s | np (dpkg is bot ;-)) |
| 22:53.58 | lec | Oh! xD Again... Hahaha |
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| 23:13.46 | Ricoshady | im using lenny, and all the sudden im getting these php errors in the apache error log zend_mm_heap corrupted |
| 23:14.33 | nsadmin | zend? |
| 23:15.07 | Ricoshady | yea, zend builds php |
| 23:15.38 | nsadmin | this is an app you're running? |
| 23:15.55 | Ricoshady | its a php apps running in apache yes |
| 23:15.59 | Ricoshady | php app |
| 23:16.16 | nsadmin | what happens if you stop apache aNd restArt it |
| 23:16.22 | Ricoshady | same thing |
| 23:16.38 | nsadmin | replaces the spring on the shift key |
| 23:17.09 | nsadmin | then you need to find out what happened by going back in the log to the first error |
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| 23:21.30 | Ricoshady | nsadmin, after upgrading to lenny, I notice there are still a handfull of etch packages left... should this be the case? |
| 23:22.52 | Ricoshady | http://pastebin.com/m5SLes9F |
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| 23:24.35 | wkD | I just installed a fresh sqeeze last week, and my sound is not working, anyone know if there's a bug? |
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| 23:27.02 | wkD | err squeeze.. |
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| 23:36.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | !alsa checklist |
| 23:36.22 | dpkg | 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 2) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels & toggle jack sense) 3) arts or esound stopped? 4) OSS modules unloaded? 5) speakers on? 6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 7) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. See also <list alsa users>. |
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| 23:37.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, 0) "lsmod |grep snd"; make sure the alsa driver for your hardware is loaded |
| 23:38.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | "/msg dpkg what's my hardware" if you don't know what that is |
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| 23:38.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | for bugs check the bts, that's what it's for and if you're running testing and don't know about it you're doing something wrong |
| 23:39.35 | Ricoshady | anyone know if after I uprgade lenny I should have any etch packages still floating around? I still have a handful in my system |
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| 23:42.26 | wkD | cool I had done lsmod and checked for muting before I got here, I will start checking for conflicts |
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| 23:43.17 | p3rror | hello |
| 23:43.40 | craigevil | Ricoshady: might be old packages that are not in Lenny |
| 23:43.45 | p3rror | please is there any tool to manage selinux as system-config-selinux on redhat |
| 23:44.30 | wash-away | Might want to ask in the redhat channel? they use a different package distribution system (e.g. not Debians) |
| 23:44.39 | wkD | well aplay was able to play the sound, so its most likely codec problems, or trying to use something other than alsa in kde? |
| 23:45.35 | craigevil | wkD: check the kde sound settings, better yet turn them off so sound is managed by alsa and not phonon or pulse if you installed it |
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| 23:46.35 | p3rror | is there any tool too manage selinux on debian please |
| 23:48.58 | craigevil | Ricoshady: after looking at your paste, looks like you will need to manually update those packages, the etch kernel you can remove if the lenny kernel is working |
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| 23:51.58 | craigevil | p3rror: take a look at http://wiki.debian.org/SELinux/Setup |
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| 23:54.27 | jalalsfs | Hi |
| 23:54.51 | jalalsfs | I want install jdownloader in lenny, What can I do? |
| 23:55.05 | kie27 | greetings, am trying to fix a friend's old server which is running etch and has not been upgraded in a long time. when i run apt-get upgrade i get a dpkg error, "unable to create `./usr/bin/dpkg': Permission denied", any ideas how to solve this please? |
| 23:55.40 | jalalsfs | I gone in jdownloader.org and downloaded jd.sh |
| 23:55.53 | lindi- | kie27: dmesg? |
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| 23:57.51 | kie27 | dmesg looks ok as far as i can see, should i paste the output to bitpaste? |
| 23:58.07 | kie27 | i mean to pastebin |
| 23:58.48 | craigevil | jalalsfs: try tucan, slimrat or fatrat; using java to download with is nuts |
| 23:58.53 | p3rror | craigevil, thanks |
| 23:59.04 | p3rror | craigevil, is there any gui tool the manage rules |
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| 23:59.29 | jalalsfs | craigevil: Thank you. |
| 23:59.36 | jalalsfs | I'll try. |
