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| 00:00.55 | qq- | fluffymuffins, df -h , say '/' is mounted on ? |
| 00:01.46 | fluffymuffins | hdb2 |
| 00:02.14 | fluffymuffins | sorry, /dev/hdb2 |
| 00:03.16 | qq- | ok, hfsutils - Tools for reading and writing Macintosh volumes < is installed ? |
| 00:03.34 | qq- | fluffymuffins, oh , is intel mac ? |
| 00:03.44 | qq- | no , grr |
| 00:03.44 | fluffymuffins | yessir |
| 00:04.19 | qq- | fluffymuffins, so i dunno , never used , sry |
| 00:05.27 | qq- | so they use hfsplus even on intel , good to know |
| 00:06.26 | fluffymuffins | hfsutils-tools is installed, and is intel mac. but i just got error message from dmesg. says hfs: Filesystem was not cleanly unmounted, running fsck.hfsplus is recommended. mounting read only |
| 00:06.37 | fluffymuffins | on and yes, they even now use it for ipods |
| 00:06.41 | qq- | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:07.12 | qq- | , versions hfsutils |
| 00:07.15 | judd | hfsutils -- etch: 3.2.6-11; lenny: 3.2.6-11; sid: 3.2.6-11; squeeze: 3.2.6-11 |
| 00:07.32 | qq- | , versions hfsutils-tools |
| 00:07.34 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'hfsutils-tools' was found. |
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| 00:07.49 | qq- | fluffymuffins, ^^ |
| 00:07.59 | fluffymuffins | yea? |
| 00:08.24 | qq- | there is no hfsutils-tools |
| 00:09.07 | fluffymuffins | yeah i see that, but there are hfsutils and hfsutils-tcltk |
| 00:09.13 | qq- | fluffymuffins, try to rescue on mac , it need it |
| 00:09.34 | fluffymuffins | how come? |
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| 00:10.06 | qq- | see your error message |
| 00:10.27 | qq- | see == read |
| 00:10.31 | fluffymuffins | was not cleanly unmounted? |
| 00:10.34 | fluffymuffins | that one? |
| 00:10.37 | fluffymuffins | i got several |
| 00:10.59 | qq- | yes, so there are issues on it |
| 00:11.15 | fluffymuffins | theres also lotsa fragile data too |
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| 00:12.04 | qq- | use your backups for data .. |
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| 00:12.57 | fluffymuffins | thats a nogo. i do not keep backups on the mac. |
| 00:13.46 | fluffymuffins | on mac "filesystem verify or repair failed" |
| 00:13.55 | fluffymuffins | and no i am not reformatting |
| 00:14.17 | qq- | anyways good luck |
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| 00:19.59 | user2974 | Hi all, I've just installed Debian on my computer, but upon trying to update from lenny to testing, the shit hit the fan. I'm not sure what I did wrong - the dist-upgrade seemed to be working marvellously until it said something about "infotext" and "ispell" and some other stuff.Then it died. Now when I try dist-upgrade it says some stuff about not being able to update udev. Has anyone else had a similar problem? Also I rebooted in the hope th |
| 00:20.27 | rudi_s | !tell user2974 about lenny->squeeze |
| 00:20.41 | rudi_s | !tell user2974 about squeeze udev |
| 00:21.02 | rudi_s | (Btw. your message was cut off after "in the hope th". |
| 00:21.03 | rudi_s | ) |
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| 00:21.32 | fluffymuffins | <qq-> fsck: Error 2 while executing fsck.hfs for /dev/sda1 |
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| 00:21.59 | qq- | do it again |
| 00:21.59 | user2974 | Shit this stuff is hella complicated |
| 00:22.43 | fluffymuffins | oh wait. "fsck.hfs:not found fsck: Error 2 while executing fsck.hfs for /dev/sda1" |
| 00:23.02 | qq- | fluffymuffins, running fsck.hfsplus may help .. |
| 00:23.32 | qq- | note '...hfsplus' |
| 00:23.42 | fluffymuffins | command not found |
| 00:23.50 | fluffymuffins | but i did install hfstools |
| 00:23.59 | qq- | !as |
| 00:23.59 | dpkg | as is probably autosearch: install apt-file and use apt-cache search <packagename> and/or apt-file search <name> , do it yourself. Don't forget to run apt-file update ;) |
| 00:24.01 | ewet | hi, /usr/share/mdadm/checkarray failed with exit status 1: http://paste.debian.net/77188/ should I worry?! |
| 00:24.58 | qq- | fluffymuffins, try hfsprogs: /sbin/mkfs.hfsplus |
| 00:25.57 | qq- | well hfsprogs: /sbin/fsck.hfsplus |
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| 00:26.57 | ewet | can't even see exit 1 in the script... |
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| 00:29.25 | lepine_ | I just changed the motherboard I had a system with raid5 on. |
| 00:30.04 | lepine_ | Now it tells me it can't find my volume group (VLM/raid5) |
| 00:30.18 | lepine_ | The bios does list all drives as being OK (smart) |
| 00:30.36 | lepine_ | rescue mode tells me it can't find any partitions |
| 00:30.44 | lepine_ | What should be my next venue of investigation? |
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| 00:31.33 | fluffymuffins | user2974: if all you are looking for is a good user-friendly costomizable os, try chakra linux. it runs on arch, and takes some getting used to, but is probably the fastest full-featured os i have used thus far. it is arch and KDE 4.4. it is what i use on my debian server clients and i would recommend it to anyone ;) |
| 00:32.27 | qq- | fluffymuffins, thats off topic here |
| 00:32.52 | fluffymuffins | aw darn, but i likes that os :'( |
| 00:33.11 | qq- | keep om topic is better |
| 00:33.24 | qq- | s/om/on |
| 00:33.34 | user2974 | I just switched to Debian a few hours ago in the hope that I would be able to escape Arch Linux, which left my system battered and torn after a package update gone awry :( |
| 00:34.23 | qq- | user2974, do /nick newnick |
| 00:34.25 | user2974 | Now a package update messed me up again. Perhaps I would be better off in #windows or #mac |
| 00:34.47 | user2974 | I did, I'm just very unoriginal with nicks |
| 00:34.58 | fluffymuffins | lol |
| 00:35.30 | qq- | user2974, do /nick rogamer , then ;) |
| 00:35.42 | fluffymuffins | user2974 have you tried mandriva? |
| 00:36.11 | qq- | fluffymuffins, keep on topic please |
| 00:36.27 | ewet | no ideas? it's scheduled in cron.d/mdadm ... |
| 00:36.53 | qq- | !win rogamer |
| 00:36.53 | dpkg | Congratulations, rogamer! You have won the US presidency! |
| 00:37.27 | rogamer | !win /part |
| 00:37.28 | dpkg | Congratulations, /part! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
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| 00:39.21 | bdc1959 | new name for beer = "barley pop" :) |
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| 00:40.37 | qq- | rogamer, from which canton ? |
| 00:42.05 | joepa | installing lenny on amd64, install appears successful, but I get grub error 15: file not found. my menu.lst is pointing to the correct kernel, initrd, and root filesystem. any ideas on what could be going wrong? |
| 00:42.37 | joepa | I've reinstalled grub to my mbr without errors, but that doesn't fix it |
| 00:42.42 | qq- | google 'grub error 15' |
| 00:42.45 | joepa | and neither does installing the whole os |
| 00:43.17 | qq- | !fixmbr |
| 00:43.17 | dpkg | To reinstall <GRUB> simply boot to your Debian install disk, live CD or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc), then chroot into it (chroot /target) and run "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". Also ask me about <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>. |
| 00:43.20 | joepa | qq-: yes, I did that before coming here |
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| 00:45.20 | qq- | exactly the same (re)command by bot ? |
| 00:45.52 | qq- | i'll try it again |
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| 00:46.17 | joepa | yes, the debian installer has a rescue mode that does exactly that |
| 00:46.25 | joepa | I've done it through the debian installer, and then again manually |
| 00:47.23 | joepa | I have two hdds, one connected via ide on /dev/hda and another connected via sata on /dev/sda |
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| 00:48.07 | qq- | abd grub was put on which one ? |
| 00:48.09 | joepa | I'm installing grub to /dev/sda, and pointing it to my root filesystem (/dev/sda1), which contains all the boot files |
| 00:48.12 | qq- | and* |
| 00:48.17 | ewet | hmmm.. can it be that /etc/cron.d/mdadm (http://pastebin.com/Q7A9NbA9) will exit with error code 1 (not lesser/equal 7) most of the time.. thus spamming my mail with "false" errors? |
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| 00:49.55 | qq- | joepa, in /boot/grub/device.map , (hd0) is /dev/sda ? |
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| 00:50.30 | ewet | this dirty little hack is not very transparent. it took me some time to figure that out - at first I was really in fear something went wrong with my raid! |
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| 00:51.38 | bittin | http://www1.shellkonto.se/lg2s/filer/pojkar/pmk_boysjustwannabeloved.mp3 |
| 00:51.57 | qq- | bittin, spam away |
| 00:52.04 | bittin | no |
| 00:52.14 | qq- | Not here ! |
| 00:52.17 | bittin | :( |
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| 00:52.58 | joepa | qq-: no, hd0 is /dev/hda |
| 00:53.02 | joepa | is that my problem? |
| 00:53.19 | qq- | grub must be in /dev/hda .. |
| 00:53.47 | nsadmin | where does grup put stage2? |
| 00:53.59 | joepa | qq-: do you mean in hd0? |
| 00:54.08 | qq- | joepa, yes |
| 00:54.29 | joepa | any idea how I make hd0 /dev/sda? |
| 00:54.47 | joepa | I'm guessing it's not as simple as editing the device.map |
| 00:54.52 | nsadmin | look at device.map |
| 00:55.22 | qq- | nsadmin, in /boot/grub ? |
| 00:55.34 | nsadmin | the thing is when you start grub shell it might autodetect and write a new device.map |
| 00:55.55 | qq- | --recheck |
| 00:56.26 | qq- | for old grub style .. |
| 00:56.41 | nsadmin | are you using old or new? |
| 00:56.57 | qq- | joepa ^^ |
| 00:57.00 | joepa | 0.97 |
| 00:57.04 | nsadmin | I haven't done anything with new |
| 00:57.12 | nsadmin | so that;s old grub |
| 00:57.17 | nsadmin | old faithful |
| 00:58.34 | qq- | joepa, try to ask in #grub , they know better |
| 00:58.51 | nsadmin | you can try editing it |
| 00:58.59 | nsadmin | what are they now? |
| 00:59.11 | qq- | all ;-) |
| 00:59.29 | qq- | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:59.40 | nsadmin | isn't that what you want? |
| 00:59.40 | qq- | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:00.03 | nsadmin | why not keep it that way? |
| 01:00.04 | joepa | my root and boot stuff is on /dev/sda |
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| 01:00.31 | qq- | and don't boot .. |
| 01:00.45 | rogueaimer | If I want to use 'testing' for my Debian packages, must I have 'testing' or 'squeeze' in my sources.list? Maybe that is what I was doing wrong all along! |
| 01:00.56 | qq- | squeeze |
| 01:00.58 | nsadmin | why do you have an hda and an sda? |
| 01:01.08 | rogueaimer | qq-: Okay, I will give that a try |
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| 01:01.40 | qq- | rogueaimer, from which canton ? |
| 01:01.42 | nsadmin | squeeze will keep it squeeze even when it becomes stable |
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| 01:02.22 | joepa | qq-: no, in /boot/grub/devices.map, (hd0) is /dev/hda |
| 01:02.29 | joepa | oops |
| 01:02.31 | joepa | ignore that |
| 01:02.32 | joepa | sorry |
| 01:02.37 | joepa | I'll check in #grub |
| 01:02.44 | joepa | thanks qq- and nsadmin :-) |
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| 01:10.27 | rogueaimer | Hmm, safe-upgrade seems to be doing a lot of exciting things now. I guess one really does have to install the kernel first. Who'd have guessed? |
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| 01:11.16 | rogueaimer | qq-: Oh and to answer your earliy questions, I am sending you all these messages from Basel-Land :) |
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| 01:11.37 | rogueaimer | (earlier* the keys on this keyboard are too light.) |
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| 01:13.18 | qq- | rogueaimer, cool, thx , vd here |
| 01:13.32 | ghost-sir | hello, i am running appache and webmin cant figure out how to get appache load appropriate data to given domain |
| 01:14.16 | ghost-sir | seems like all dolmains point to single virtual host |
| 01:15.15 | ghost-sir | maybe give me something to read please |
| 01:15.54 | qq- | rogueaimer, usually kernel come with upgrade .. |
| 01:16.13 | qq- | so no worry |
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| 01:27.41 | Tramp | ghost-sir: maybe ask #httpd - webmin is not in Debian anyways |
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| 02:01.03 | tifflor | can someone help me to find out why my gsm utils, especially gsmsendsms tells me |
| 02:01.33 | tifflor | gsmsendsms[ERROR]: expected parameter (at position 1 of string ',1,1,1') |
| 02:01.37 | tifflor | when I do; |
| 02:01.51 | tifflor | gsmsendsms -d /dev/ttyUSB0 004917000000 test |
| 02:02.34 | tifflor | I get this error when I try to use gammo |
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| 02:03.09 | tifflor | Sending SMS 1/1....waiting for network answer..error 500, message reference=-1 |
| 02:03.27 | tifflor | and I get exactly the same error when I try to use minicom with AT commands |
| 02:03.43 | tifflor | anyone some idea what the problem is? |
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| 02:07.40 | jcgrv | Hello. How would I go about burning a bootable CD with my current Debian installation so I could reinstall it if needed be? |
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| 02:08.24 | nsadmin | you just want to back up |
| 02:08.32 | nsadmin | which is a good thing to do |
| 02:09.14 | nsadmin | the restore part, you're assuming it could be arranged into a bootable cd, and I'm not sure there's exact support for that |
| 02:09.15 | nsadmin | so |
| 02:09.25 | jcgrv | right, I have everything configured the way I like it. I wouldn't want to have to figure it out all over again. |
| 02:09.33 | nsadmin | explore all supported forms of backup and restore |
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| 02:09.52 | nsadmin | one thing I tell everyone to do: |
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| 02:10.01 | Backup | dont forget to bring backup |
| 02:10.23 | nsadmin | keep a notebook of how you install, what you additionally install, how you configure |
| 02:10.42 | nsadmin | party at backup's!!! |
| 02:10.54 | Backup | \o/ |
| 02:11.22 | nsadmin | one thing that's critically important, no matter how you back up |
| 02:11.25 | nsadmin | KNOW how to restore |
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| 02:12.40 | Backup | hmm nsadmin where do i know your name from? are you in any way related to natrual selection? |
| 02:12.50 | poincare101 | Hello. I have debian lenny running inside QEMU (virtual machine). I need to install GCC on this virtual machine, but when I do sudo apt-get install build-essentials, it tells me to insert the CD for debian, is there any other way? Its quite annoying to have to have the ISO handy every time I need to boot debian and install something... |
| 02:13.41 | Backup | edit your sources file. and add the repositories |
| 02:13.54 | Backup | also, disable the cd-rom in there |
| 02:15.04 | poincare101 | Backup: what repositories should I add? |
| 02:15.34 | qq- | jcgrv, see bootcd* |
| 02:15.59 | nsadmin | oh yeah, I've been the boss of natural selection since before recorded history, and to prove it I have a history book... |
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| 02:17.16 | nsadmin | in the older days of aolserver, the default user that owned all the aolserver instances was nsadmin |
| 02:17.39 | poincare101 | anyone for my question? Backup was helping, but I don't know what repo's to add. |
| 02:18.40 | \amethyst | nsadmin: ah, my guess was going to be NeXTSTEP, not NetScape :) |
| 02:18.50 | nsadmin | the typical comment-to-end-of-line char is # |
| 02:19.16 | qq- | poincare101, /msg dpkg things to backup |
| 02:19.19 | nsadmin | so you could use # at the start of sources.list lines you want to disable |
| 02:19.45 | qq- | maybe is wrong .. |
| 02:20.58 | poincare101 | qq-: wait. how does that help? |
| 02:21.15 | poincare101 | nsadmin: I did comment out the lines I didn't want, but I get the error that says package is referenced but not available. |
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| 02:25.58 | poincare101 | anyone at all? I thought my question was pretty simple... |
| 02:26.00 | lloyd | hola |
| 02:26.43 | \amethyst | !sources.list |
| 02:26.44 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian lenny main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <lenny security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 02:29.48 | poincare101 | \amethyst: thanks! |
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| 02:45.24 | Random__ | Hello, Does anyone here know how i could install GLibc 2.10 on my debian lenny? |
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| 02:55.50 | HermanDE | Anybody know latin? |
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| 02:58.32 | Tramp | sure. Some MDs and most clerics |
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| 03:00.41 | sauvin | I know a few latinas.... |
| 03:01.44 | HermanDE | sauvin, So do I..... Not quite latin.... |
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| 03:01.56 | sauvin | ;) |
| 03:02.04 | HermanDE | sauvin, I just need a simple phrase that the online tools choke on..... |
| 03:02.18 | sauvin | A simple phrase? |
| 03:02.22 | prince_jammys | set your locale to latin1 |
| 03:03.15 | sauvin | Gots ya "simple phrase" right here: de gustibus non disputandem est. |
| 03:03.22 | HermanDE | Hmmm....... I'll give it a shot.... |
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| 03:04.11 | HermanDE | sauvin, .... Got it... :) |
| 03:04.17 | Tramp | O, si tacuisses, philosophus mansisses |
| 03:04.30 | prince_jammys | In wee-no weritas |
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| 03:05.22 | craigevil | Omnes relinquite spes, o vos intrantes |
| 03:05.36 | sauvin | Veni, vidi, puky. |
| 03:05.58 | prince_jammys | e pluribus rectum |
| 03:06.18 | sauvin | .oO(one ass out of many? Eeww!) |
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| 03:06.36 | prince_jammys | words of wisdom |
| 03:06.52 | sauvin | Effulgence, you mean. |
| 03:08.00 | Tramp | 30 volumes of Asterix have to pay off one day .... |
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| 03:16.12 | tycel | may seem kind of dumb but im having trouble so here i am..^^ |
| 03:16.13 | tycel | http://www.debianadmin.com/debian-mail-server-setup-with-postfix-dovecot-sasl-squirrel-mail.html <-- |
| 03:16.30 | tycel | i'm trying to setup a mail server on my debian vps using that guide |
| 03:17.18 | tycel | i can receive mail |
| 03:17.20 | tycel | but not send.. |
| 03:17.36 | tycel | keeps asking for my user/password |
| 03:17.40 | tycel | but it wont take them |
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| 03:23.31 | tycel | hello? |
| 03:24.27 | tycel | My question might seem a little dumb but im following this guide (http://www.debianadmin.com/debian-mail-server-setup-with-postfix-dovecot-sasl-squirrel-mail.html) and i got it somewhat working (it receives mail) but it wont send it just keeps asking me for my user/password |
| 03:24.28 | tycel | any idaes? |
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| 03:42.32 | simonrvn | are you trying to send it with auth enabled, via smtp? |
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| 03:44.44 | tycel | yes |
| 03:45.10 | simonrvn | try without, worky? mta configured properly to do it with auth? |
| 03:46.38 | tycel | ? |
| 03:46.44 | tycel | no it dont work w/o either |
| 03:46.48 | tycel | gets me a error |
| 03:47.05 | simonrvn | work on that first, then get auth going. step by step. |
| 03:47.14 | tycel | get relay access denied error without it |
| 03:47.22 | tycel | yeah |
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| 03:48.14 | tycel | if I can get it to work w/o it I wouldnt need it really cause im the only person gonna be using it ^^ |
| 03:48.17 | simonrvn | depending on the mta, you should tell it that wherever you're sending from (if it's a local domain) isn't to be relayed, but treated as local. |
| 03:48.39 | tycel | hm |
| 03:48.53 | tycel | guess this is just to far over my head to at the moment.. |
| 03:50.10 | simonrvn | read your mta's docs on handling email from local domains/hosts |
| 03:50.48 | tycel | k |
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| 03:51.45 | simonrvn | then it won't be over your head, and you'll progress with your project ;). |
| 03:53.24 | HermanDE | tycel, Fighting the battles creates knowledge..... |
| 03:53.43 | tycel | Yeah ^^ |
| 03:54.01 | tycel | i'm not giving up, just taking a small break and coming back to retrace my steps |
| 03:54.12 | simonrvn | that's cool |
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| 04:13.24 | laurus | I just built Python 2.6 from source on Debian Lenny. However, I don't have dateutil. How do I get it? python-dateutil is installed but that is only present in Python 2.5, it seems. |
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| 04:20.59 | k\t | oops |
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| 04:23.37 | courpse | How can i make 'find' search directorys first? |
| 04:23.58 | courpse | search subdirectorys first* |
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| 04:35.22 | _rashd7 | i upgraded lenny to sid |
| 04:35.36 | _rashd7 | and getting this error when tried to login |
| 04:35.50 | _rashd7 | cannot find or run the base session script |
| 04:36.44 | _rashd7 | anyone know about this issue |
| 04:36.48 | _rashd7 | please help |
| 04:37.28 | _rashd7 | here is my xsession-errors output |
| 04:37.29 | _rashd7 | http://pastebin.com/K419jrpm |
| 04:37.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | !sid upgrade |
| 04:37.33 | dpkg | Repeat after me: Sid is NOT AN UPGRADE! Sid is meant for developers and testers, so stay away from it if you're neither. Use <stable> or <testing> instead. See also <sid upgrade test>. |
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| 04:38.14 | _rashd7 | but i need sid to work with my development |
| 04:38.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | if you run sid you're really supposed to be able to solve your own problems |
| 04:39.08 | _rashd7 | i cannot install qgis package on lenny |
| 04:39.15 | _rashd7 | so i moved to sid |
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| 04:39.45 | _rashd7 | cannot find or run the base session script |
| 04:39.51 | _rashd7 | here is my xsession-errors output |
| 04:39.51 | _rashd7 | http://pastebin.com/K419jrpm |
| 04:40.06 | dabreegster | Been reading more into my hdd issue (it'll lag occasionally, not under load - mplayer will freeze, writing out in vim will stall), it has a 4kb block size and apparently that's not well-supported yet.. Anything I can do about that? |
| 04:40.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | installing sid ... it's like going to this huge biker, insult him and punch him in the face and then complain you're getting beaten up |
| 04:40.09 | jpinx-eeepc | _rashd7: did you try backports? |
| 04:40.28 | jpinx-eeepc | _rashd7: did you try ssb |
| 04:40.32 | _rashd7 | no |
| 04:40.35 | jpinx-eeepc | !ssb |
| 04:40.35 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old |
| 04:41.13 | _rashd7 | jpinx-eeepc: how to try ssb |
| 04:41.27 | jpinx-eeepc | _rashd7: I suggest you save your /home and reinstall lenny with backports and come back here for help in making an ssb if your *really* need it |
| 04:41.52 | _rashd7 | what is ssb |
| 04:41.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions qgis |
| 04:41.54 | judd | qgis -- etch: 0.7.4-5; squeeze: 1.4.0+12730-3; sid: 1.4.0+12730-3+b1 |
| 04:41.58 | jpinx-eeepc | _rashd7: sorting out sid is not going to happen unless you are proficient |
| 04:42.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | anyway - this is only a warning and gnome will start with this message |
| 04:42.22 | jpinx-eeepc | CutMeOwnThroat: it might have some depends, but it'll ssb |
| 04:42.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | albeit in failsafe mode |
| 04:42.44 | _rashd7 | yes i am in failsafe-gnome |
| 04:42.50 | _rashd7 | now on sid |
| 04:43.00 | jpinx-eeepc | !tell _rashd7 about ssb |
| 04:43.22 | qq- | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:43.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, bit too late, jpinx-eeepc, aint it |
| 04:43.54 | jpinx-eeepc | _rashd7: like I say - save your /home and reinstall lenny with backports |
| 04:44.08 | _rashd7 | jpinx-eeepc: will u please tell me what is ssb |
| 04:44.19 | jpinx-eeepc | _rashd7: I did - twice |
| 04:44.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | he did, actually... or let dpkg do it for him |
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| 04:44.58 | _rashd7 | can i downgrade to lenny |
| 04:45.05 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 04:45.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | _rashd7, you cannot |
| 04:45.06 | jpinx-eeepc | !downgrade |
| 04:45.07 | dpkg | [downgrade] Downgrading is not possible with apt-get/aptitude and no future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>. |
| 04:45.22 | jpinx-eeepc | _rashd7: like I say - save your /home and reinstall lenny with backports |
| 04:45.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | _rashd7, did you check the bts on your problem? |
| 04:45.43 | _rashd7 | i cannot save my home |
| 04:45.52 | _rashd7 | because all are in one partition |
| 04:46.07 | _rashd7 | so will u say a way to save my /home |
| 04:46.27 | jpinx-eeepc | copy it onto a cd/dvd |
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| 04:47.00 | jpinx-eeepc | upload it onto your server |
| 04:47.01 | jpinx-eeepc | epends what facilities you have |
| 04:47.41 | jpinx-eeepc | !bts |
| 04:47.41 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges |
| 04:48.03 | ftjjk | hey i just got done stting up my smb server but i cant seem to connect from my linux machine |
| 04:48.44 | ftjjk | im not good with which logs are what but from the webgui for the server |
| 04:48.54 | ftjjk | the log says I m getting an error |
| 04:49.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | you mean you try to connect linux->linux via samba? |
| 04:49.12 | ftjjk | hold on gotta connect to it again |
| 04:49.25 | ftjjk | freenas |
| 04:49.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | use smbclient instead of smbmount for debugging |
| 04:49.47 | dabreegster | http://www.osnews.com/story/22872/Linux_Not_Fully_Prepared_for_4096-Byte_Sector_Hard_Drives I've got one of these drives and am experiencing this lag.. any clever way to realign the partition without too much trouble? |
| 04:50.16 | ftjjk | is that command line? Im still new to this |
| 04:51.34 | ftjjk | im looking at the help on the command line brb |
| 04:51.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | dabreegster, well, gparted if you already have them and need to move? |
| 04:52.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | else shouldn't be hard to create them to match whatever start-point you need |
| 04:53.00 | dabreegster | CutMeOwnThroat: Yes, it'd be great to move them and not have to repartition and bring in all my files again.. |
| 04:53.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | you should still backup your stuff before moving |
| 04:53.52 | dabreegster | Will do |
| 04:54.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | but gparted seems to be able to move pretty much everything that exists around/resize etc |
| 04:54.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | you probably need some live-cd or so that has it |
| 04:54.40 | dabreegster | yeah, the first sector is set at 63, apparently it needs to be 64 |
| 04:54.55 | dabreegster | Right, obviously can't from here |
| 04:55.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, you can call gparted and see if the type of interface it has can do what you need |
| 04:55.39 | dabreegster | Hmm, the resize/move command is greyed out even for an ntfs partition that's not mounted |
| 04:56.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | I thought it can do ntfs |
| 04:57.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | but I'm not absolutely sure |
| 04:57.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | nothing is grayed out for me, though |
| 04:57.21 | dabreegster | I'm not really concerned about it, just wanted to try it out on a partition now |
| 04:57.36 | dabreegster | So I should be able to move everything over one byte? |
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| 04:59.16 | courpse | How can i use 'find' to list recursively first instead of all spread out? |
| 04:59.23 | Arrowmaster | it needs other stuff installed to be able to operate on certain filesystems |
| 04:59.24 | Arrowmaster | but it should still be able to move them without resizing |
| 04:59.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | one byte? I don't think anything goes in units so small... |
| 04:59.59 | \amethyst | courpse: what do you mean by "recursively first"? |
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| 05:00.09 | dabreegster | CutMeOwnThroat: er, one sector, my bad |
| 05:00.23 | jpinx-eeepc | courpse: if ist's possible - which I doubt -it'll be in man find |
| 05:00.39 | courpse | Humm k. |
| 05:00.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | dabreegster, dunno, try it; no idea how small a change you can make |
| 05:02.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | \amethyst, I think he wants something like a recursive delete... where you have to go from the deepest directory up |
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| 05:03.29 | \amethyst | if you want to process contents of a directory before the directory itself, you want find -depth |
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| 05:09.53 | JairunCaloth | grr... are there any decent guitar tuners out there for linux? the only one in the repo doesn't work |
| 05:11.37 | qq- | which package name it that ? |
| 05:12.17 | qq- | JairunCaloth, ^^ |
| 05:13.34 | JairunCaloth | gtkguitune |
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| 05:13.52 | jpinx-eeepc | JairunCaloth: there's kguitar and tuxguitar - but I dunno if they do what you want |
| 05:14.20 | jpinx-eeepc | and it depends on what release you are running - there might be more you could backport from squeeze |
| 05:14.29 | JairunCaloth | running squeeze |
| 05:14.47 | jpinx-eeepc | JairunCaloth: do an aptitude search on guitar |
| 05:14.51 | JairunCaloth | kguitar lists itself as a tab editor |
| 05:14.53 | jpinx-eeepc | or tuner |
| 05:15.06 | JairunCaloth | as well as tuxguitar |
| 05:15.15 | JairunCaloth | yeah, searched for both of those terms :-p |
| 05:15.42 | jpinx-eeepc | like I said - I don't know what your specific needs are - I am only pointing out how to search |
| 05:15.43 | JairunCaloth | just found one called fmit, don't know why it wasn't showing up in an aptitude search |
| 05:15.43 | jpinx-eeepc | did you try an apt-cache search? |
| 05:16.11 | jpinx-eeepc | one presumes you have exhausted google ;) |
| 05:17.34 | JairunCaloth | found fmit on google... Ironicly I was having trouble finding recent stuff until I took google's suggesting and searched for guitar tuner ubuntu :-p |
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| 05:18.16 | jp-neira | 123 probando probando |
| 05:20.49 | jpinx-eeepc | !fail |
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| 05:30.09 | oznt | hi, can someone help me locate an older package version of Shotwell ? I can only find shotwell in version 0.5 and I want to have 0.4.3 which was on debian |
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| 05:32.26 | qq- | !sdo |
| 05:32.26 | dpkg | http://snapshot.debian.org/ is an archive of almost all Debian packages uploaded since 2005, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way non-free. This service replaces the old http://snapshot.debian.net/ site that is no longer maintained. http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100412 |
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| 05:32.43 | nm | hi buddies |
| 05:32.48 | nm | there is anyway to interact (keyboad inputing) with dialog/whiptail during rcX.d startup script? |
| 05:32.52 | nm | actually, my script shown dialog as well as normal but I can't input any keystroke such as alphabet character or even up& down |
| 05:35.57 | oznt | thanks, very useful to know about that website |
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| 05:42.48 | _Trinity_ | hi all |
| 05:43.00 | lepra | hi |
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| 05:43.26 | lepra | how to disable the update applet on lenny? |
| 05:43.32 | _Trinity_ | guys why isn't there a standard AMD port, other than the 64 bit one? |
| 05:43.58 | \amethyst | _Trinity_: it's called i386 |
| 05:44.13 | \amethyst | _Trinity_: they made their 32-bit chips Intel-compatible for some reason |
| 05:47.26 | _Trinity_ | I thought they'd diverged after starting off selling hotrodded intel chips, then clones, but in the end I thought they'd stuck in some RISC concepts into their 386 compatible chips |
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| 05:51.25 | Piratero | Hello everyone. |
| 05:52.13 | courpse | How to make ls show path in filename? |
| 05:52.19 | Piratero | I've noticed that logname(1) prints outs "LOGIN" when I invoke su. Is this defined behavior? |
| 05:52.43 | Piratero | I'm expecting for it to return an actual user name. |
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| 05:58.56 | archlinuxuserfai | Hello? |
| 05:58.59 | archlinuxuserfai | Okay, I'm here. |
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| 05:59.28 | archlinuxuserfai | Since I can't write to #archlinux I've come here to ask about GRUB 0.97. |
| 05:59.37 | archlinuxuserfai | I'm wondering if anyone is having my problem. |
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| 06:00.12 | archlinuxuserfai | GRUB 0.97 complains an error 15, that file not found, right after outputting the line kernel=/boot/vmlinuz. |
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| 06:00.33 | archlinuxuserfai | I can verify from the CLI, however, that GRUB recognizes that the file is there. |
| 06:00.42 | archlinuxuserfai | I have checked and double-checked that menu.lst is correct. |
| 06:01.07 | archlinuxuserfai | It indeed points to the correct partition, the correct directory, the files are there, and they are the proper files. |
| 06:01.23 | archlinuxuserfai | I have been working on this issue for at least twelve hours. |
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| 06:01.45 | archlinuxuserfai | Can someone verify that they have had a similar issue with GRUB 0.97? |
| 06:03.20 | archlinuxuserfai | ? |
| 06:03.25 | archlinuxuserfai | Am I actually in this room? |
| 06:04.13 | rgr | are you insane or merely as thick as pig shit? |
| 06:04.33 | rgr | "#debian" .... |
| 06:05.03 | rgr | #linux might help you out if you can make it more "distro hell" clear ... |
| 06:05.59 | lepra | HAHA |
| 06:09.14 | LinuxNIT | archlinuxuserfai, have you tried reinstalling grub? |
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| 06:09.37 | oznt | does someone here use shotwell ? |
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| 06:12.36 | archlinuxuserfai | Sorry to keep you waiting, LinuxNIT. |
| 06:12.43 | archlinuxuserfai | I am trying to get help from several rooms. |
| 06:12.45 | archlinuxuserfai | Yes. |
| 06:12.56 | archlinuxuserfai | I have reinstalled GRUB many times with Arch and Puppy Linux. |
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| 06:13.14 | LinuxNIT | with the grub-install command? |
| 06:14.06 | archlinuxuserfai | By typing in, "grub," to a terminal. |
| 06:14.11 | archlinuxuserfai | I install it that way. |
| 06:14.20 | archlinuxuserfai | root (hd1,2) |
| 06:14.24 | archlinuxuserfai | setup (hd1) |
| 06:14.34 | archlinuxuserfai | I have also installed it with Arch's installation framework. |
| 06:14.37 | jpinx-eeepc | archlinuxuserfai: what release and kernel are you running? |
| 06:15.16 | archlinuxuserfai | I am running the most recent Arch release. I'll check quickly to see exactly which one that is, but I need to boot a cd. |
| 06:15.20 | archlinuxuserfai | I need a second. |
| 06:15.21 | jpinx-eeepc | archlinuxuserfai: this channel is really for debian issues - not grub or archlinux |
| 06:15.46 | archlinuxuserfai | Yeah, sorry. |
| 06:15.55 | archlinuxuserfai | The room #archlinux won't let me send to it for some reason |
| 06:16.12 | archlinuxuserfai | I heard that Debian was its ancestor, so I though that was my best bet. |
| 06:16.27 | archlinuxuserfai | There are no other Arch rooms and I doubt that there are any GRUB rooms. |
| 06:16.28 | archlinuxuserfai | Are there? |
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| 06:17.17 | jpinx-eeepc | archlinuxuserfai: I suggest you try in #linux and/or #grub |
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| 06:18.05 | jpinx-eeepc | archlinuxuserfai: just try a few /join #grub #arch #whatever - or ask freenode to list rooms |
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| 06:18.27 | archlinuxuserfai | I hadn't though to check whether or not there was a #grub room. |
| 06:18.29 | archlinuxuserfai | Thanks. |
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| 06:36.06 | lepra | install a debian desktop using DVD1 will be much more faster then using CD1 or Netinstall? |
| 06:37.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | easy to answer: "depends" |
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| 06:38.15 | lepra | CutMeOwnThroat, just need a standard laptop installation |
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| 06:40.01 | lepra | i'm asking cause debian instalation takes too long, I imagine that the servers are always busy... |
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| 06:40.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | you have to download the cd/dvd image, too and that has packages you don't need and won't install |
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| 06:44.21 | pwntang | morning all. could someone give me some advice on where I could look to find the root cause to a problem I have? Since about 4 days ago my Debian server completely hangs at around 1:30am. All the logs I look in just stop and each morning the server is completely unresponsive so I have to press the reset button. Any help would me much appreciated |
| 06:44.36 | pwntang | nothing has changed in the past week |
| 06:44.44 | pwntang | in terms of setup, at least |
| 06:45.02 | lepra | CutMeOwnThroat, but if I already have the DVD, it will be faster, right? |
| 06:45.23 | lepra | then netintall |
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| 06:48.38 | jarick | pwntang: Just a random stab in the dark: Do you have any cron jobs scheduled for 0130? |
| 06:48.48 | jarick | And do you have swap? |
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| 06:49.08 | jarick | Either that, or does the building cooling shut off at 0130? |
| 06:50.17 | pwntang | I have one, but it only runs on a Friday at 1am |
| 06:50.22 | pwntang | swap, yes |
| 06:50.44 | jarick | pwntang: Check the ventilation. I've had central HVACs shut off and machines overheat consistently. |
| 06:50.46 | pwntang | nothing environmental happens at 1:30 that I know of |
| 06:50.47 | jarick | That, or power. |
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| 06:51.08 | jarick | Do the other machines of the same type in the same rack have similar issues? |
| 06:51.30 | jarick | Have you considered sleeping in with the machine? |
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| 06:51.42 | pwntang | I don't have any others, this is in my house |
| 06:51.50 | jarick | What machine is it? |
| 06:51.56 | pwntang | I only have that one machine that runs all the time |
| 06:52.16 | jarick | What CPU? Which release? |
| 06:52.32 | jarick | Also, pastebin the logs before failure |
| 06:52.44 | pwntang | any log in particular? |
| 06:53.05 | rryouumaa | brownout |
| 06:53.37 | jarick | pwntang: syslog, anything you deem relevant |
| 06:53.37 | pwntang | it's a P3 running Lenny |
| 06:53.49 | rryouumaa | call power company |
| 06:53.55 | rryouumaa | but first use ups |
| 06:54.04 | jarick | So you wake up in the morning, and it's totally off or there's a panic? |
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| 06:54.11 | pwntang | I'm about to purchase a UPS as it happens |
| 06:54.45 | pwntang | It's still on, it's just frozen. nothing on the display, keyboard doesn't work, no response on the network |
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| 06:55.24 | pwntang | I'll get some logs........ |
| 06:57.10 | jarick | pwntang: Power is quite likely then |
| 06:59.08 | pwntang | /var/log/syslog: http://pastebin.com/CJyiDZW1 |
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| 07:00.52 | pwntang | /var/log/kern.log: http://pastebin.com/qgt2Y29X |
| 07:01.08 | jarick | pwntang: Heh, cisco phones? |
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| 07:01.30 | jarick | Strangeness, there's no useful info there. |
| 07:01.41 | jarick | I'm still guessing "power" or "ventilation" |
| 07:02.01 | pwntang | I'm glad someone else has said that. I thought I was missing something obvious |
| 07:02.14 | pwntang | cisco phones, yes |
| 07:02.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | reminds me of that case where some important instrument or server failed always at the same time one day a week... |
| 07:02.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | the admin stayed in the room at the critical time... |
| 07:03.03 | jarick | CutMeOwnThroat: and the cleaner came in |
| 07:03.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | turned out the cleaning personell was just unplugging it to plug the vacuum cleaner in |
| 07:03.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes! |
| 07:03.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | \o/ |
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| 07:04.18 | pwntang | ventilation could be something I suppose. the weather has warmed up recently and the house is quite warm at night |
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| 07:04.52 | pwntang | strange how it's always similar times though |
| 07:05.05 | Piratero | Err... |
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| 07:05.45 | jarick | pwntang: How do you know it goes off at that time? |
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| 07:06.25 | pwntang | I'm assuming because the logs stop around that time when the problem occurs, and you see no further log entries until you reboot |
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| 07:06.40 | pwntang | before then there seem to be almost constant entries in the logs for various things |
| 07:07.18 | jarick | pwntang: And this is consistent to the nearest disk flush interval? |
| 07:07.48 | pwntang | I don't know, how do I find out? |
| 07:08.02 | pwntang | apologies, I don't know what you mean by that |
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| 07:08.44 | jarick | pwntang: I meant, if you compared the logs for the past few days, how far off are the last timestamps? |
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| 07:09.27 | pwntang | they are all between 1:30 and 2:30am |
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| 07:10.26 | jarick | I'd try "temperature" |
| 07:10.37 | jarick | Do you have any mains-powered alarm clocks? |
| 07:10.51 | pwntang | maybe....I can check |
| 07:10.58 | pwntang | oh, yes we do |
| 07:11.21 | jarick | pwntang: Do they reset? |
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| 07:11.24 | cast | bit of a divergence from the traditional fireman/police officer talking to kids |
| 07:11.33 | jarick | cast: ECHAN |
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| 07:12.08 | pwntang | when you power cycle them, do you mean? |
| 07:12.28 | jarick | pwntang: That too, and did they start resetting themselves? |
| 07:12.36 | jarick | I'm trying to rule in a power event |
| 07:13.06 | pwntang | oh I see. No, I would have known. There are a few things here that would reset if the power went down |
| 07:13.26 | jarick | pwntang: Could be a transient then |
| 07:15.09 | pwntang | I wonder, would a (very crude) test be to change the time to 1:30am (ish) and see if the fault occurs? Perhaps that will rule out it being time specific? |
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| 07:15.27 | pwntang | it will also save me staying up late to sit with it! |
| 07:16.09 | jarick | pwntang: I don't own a time machine. |
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| 07:17.01 | pwntang | the time is sync'd with NTP right now, but I could change it manually |
| 07:17.15 | pwntang | you might be on to something with temperature though |
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| 07:17.41 | jarick | pwntang: Your logs might be unhappy. |
| 07:17.52 | pwntang | if it were something like a RAM fault do you think you'd see it in the logs somewhere? |
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| 07:18.28 | jarick | pwntang: Nope, but run memtest86? |
| 07:19.21 | pwntang | okay, I'll do that now.... |
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| 07:24.01 | pwntang | right, I'm going to go do the memtest, back in a bit. Thanks very much for all your help |
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| 07:28.35 | djura-san | o/ |
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| 07:32.22 | Piratero | Hello djura-san |
| 07:32.38 | Piratero | Can anyone recommend me a script or program that manages WiFi connections? |
| 07:33.04 | djura-san | Piratero: wicd |
| 07:33.19 | Piratero | It doesn't have to be a script that is executed from /etc/init.d or something. |
| 07:33.23 | Piratero | Oh, I'll check that out. |
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| 07:34.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | network-manager? |
| 07:35.19 | Piratero | I'll try that too. |
| 07:35.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | it seems to be popular |
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| 07:35.39 | Piratero | Ah, wicd has a UI... :-( |
| 07:36.27 | jpinx-eeepc | wicd wfm ;) |
| 07:36.28 | dalias | it can be used without gui |
| 07:36.32 | dalias | but wicd really sucks |
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| 07:36.39 | dalias | in my experience it constantly drops association |
| 07:36.50 | dalias | nm works much better |
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| 07:37.14 | jpinx-eeepc | dalias: you are one of the fortunate few :) |
| 07:37.46 | jpinx-eeepc | possibly it depends ont he DE you are using |
| 07:37.47 | dalias | wicd's "are we still associated?" test is highly broken and once it (wrongly) guesses the ap is inaccessible, it downs the interface on you |
| 07:37.57 | dalias | jpinx-eeepc, eeepc 1000he |
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| 07:38.23 | jpinx-eeepc | dalias: DE not model/make |
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| 07:38.36 | Lucie_ | Hi , I have just installed debian and X doesn't start because of a problem with my graphic card ATI radeon mobility |
| 07:38.44 | dalias | desktop env? |
| 07:39.01 | dalias | the ap association stuff is not DE dependent |
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| 07:39.18 | jpinx-eeepc | dalias: the network manager might be |
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| 07:40.12 | dalias | nm isn't either |
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| 07:41.57 | Lucie_ | Someone can help me pleas ? |
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| 07:43.08 | rvalles | got sid here... newest kernel is still 2.6.32? |
| 07:43.17 | rvalles | I find it strange with .33 and .34 out... |
| 07:43.37 | streuner | join kernel-team and help |
| 07:43.54 | rvalles | ok, just wanted confirmation |
| 07:44.03 | streuner | !kernel |
| 07:44.05 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, linux-next: next-20100611, mainline 2.6: 2.6.35-rc3, snapshot 2.6: 2.6.35-rc2-git6, stable 2.6: 2.6.34 , stable 2.6.33: 2.6.33.5 , stable 2.6.32: 2.6.32.15 , stable 2.6.31: 2.6.31.13 , stable 2.6.27: 2.6.27.47 , stable 2.4.37: 2.4.37.9 |
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| 07:44.26 | rvalles | may I inquiry what's the trouble about? |
| 07:44.28 | rvalles | udev related or? |
| 07:44.29 | streuner | yes, in sid is still .32 |
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| 07:45.04 | Lucie_ | Nobody hear me ? |
| 07:45.08 | Lucie_ | SOS |
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| 07:46.06 | Piratero | Yay, OK. wicd it is. |
| 07:46.48 | streuner | rvalles: no idea, just try #debian-kernel or such at OFTC |
| 07:47.12 | rvalles | streuner: nah, it's a non-issue. |
| 07:47.16 | cafaro | Hi, I want to use vim as my permanent, default editor, how can I achieve this? (I tried doing 'export EDITOR=vim', and editing ~/.vimrc, but none of these things seem to work, after I restart my terminal...) |
| 07:47.23 | rvalles | I was just curious. |
| 07:47.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | "snapshot 2.6: 2.6.35-rc2-git6" |
| 07:48.17 | streuner | well, there were some kernels in the past, experiemental, i dont know if that still exist |
| 07:48.42 | rvalles | CutMeOwnThroat: I'm using .35-rc3 on my desktop fwiw. |
| 07:48.51 | rvalles | (it runs gentoo) |
| 07:49.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | just copied that out of judds output |
| 07:49.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | err, dpkgs |
| 07:49.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | now I see why it's so confusing |
| 07:50.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, kernels |
| 07:50.03 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.34-1-686 (2.6.34-1~experimental.2); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-15); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-15); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-15~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-22lenny1); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
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| 07:57.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | Lucie_, what's the error |
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| 07:57.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | what's the exact card//it's pciid |
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| 07:57.44 | Lucie_ | CutMeOwnThroat: I can't send it I have no copy option |
| 07:57.48 | Lucie_ | I'm in console |
| 07:57.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | lspci -n -n -n gives that |
| 07:58.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | Lucie_, there's pastebinit you could install |
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| 07:58.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | (I hope that works again... pastebins seem to have changed format) |
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| 07:59.17 | Lucie_ | CutMeOwnThroat: are you sure the name of pastebinit ? |
| 08:00.02 | Lucie_ | I have an ATI radeon mobility HD 3400 |
| 08:00.06 | streuner | !info pastebinit |
| 08:00.15 | Lucie_ | !info pastebinit |
| 08:00.27 | Lucie_ | because aptitude says me that does not exist |
| 08:00.38 | dpkg | pastebinit: (command-line pastebin client), section misc, is optional. Version: 1.1-2 (sid), Packaged size: 22 kB, Installed size: 404 kB |
| 08:00.39 | streuner | amset:/tmp# dpkg -l | grep paste |
| 08:00.40 | streuner | ii pastebinit 1.1-2 command-line pastebin client |
| 08:00.58 | streuner | judd, versions pastebinit |
| 08:01.00 | judd | pastebinit -- lenny: 0.10-2; sid: 1.1-2; squeeze: 1.1-2 |
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| 08:01.20 | Lucie_ | maybe it's because I installed my debian with a DVD ? |
| 08:01.28 | Lucie_ | not netinstall |
| 08:01.45 | streuner | edit sources.list then |
| 08:01.45 | simonrvn | !installit |
| 08:01.45 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude. |
| 08:02.01 | simonrvn | !sources.list |
| 08:02.01 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian lenny main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <lenny security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 08:02.45 | Lucie_ | ok thanks |
| 08:04.57 | Lucie_ | !mirrors |
| 08:04.58 | dpkg | rumour has it, debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> or <netselect-apt> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ or http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/, see also <debmirror>, <apt-mirror>, <mirror size>. |
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| 08:05.32 | simonrvn | also /msg dpkg foo (foo is what you want to find out) |
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| 08:09.09 | Lucie_ | pastebinit |
| 08:09.13 | Lucie_ | does not work |
| 08:09.35 | Lucie_ | gives me only http://pastebin.com |
| 08:09.43 | simonrvn | pastebinit --help |
| 08:11.01 | Lucie_ | simonrvn: same things |
| 08:11.31 | simonrvn | read it |
| 08:11.33 | Lucie_ | I just need normally to type pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 08:11.37 | simonrvn | man pastebinit |
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| 08:14.02 | Lucie_ | http://yourpaste.net/5656 |
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| 08:14.55 | Guest54692 | looking for the best distro |
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| 08:16.31 | heroxbd | Hello guys, can I debootstrap a debianPPC from a MacOSX? |
| 08:17.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | simonrvn, I'm not sure pastebinit on lenny works... |
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| 08:18.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's what I was 'thinking aloud' about up there... I think the servers changed format or something? |
| 08:18.06 | simonrvn | oh yeeeh, thanks for reminding me - that's right |
| 08:18.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | and dutchfish was bug-hunting? |
| 08:18.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's fixed, but not sure if that migrated to lenny |
| 08:18.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think I got the testing package |
| 08:18.27 | simonrvn | squeeze's (and maybe bpo) works |
| 08:18.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, it's python I think |
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| 08:18.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | don't remember |
| 08:18.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | that or I was blatantly mixing |
| 08:19.06 | Lucie_ | So anyone knows How can I fix this problem ? |
| 08:19.07 | Lucie_ | http://yourpaste.net/5656 |
| 08:19.13 | Lucie_ | It seems strange |
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| 08:20.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:20.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's kind of a narrow range |
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| 08:21.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | I'm not sure this is the only reason, but with this, it's not surprising no mode matches |
| 08:22.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | look up the real specs for that monitor and change HorizSync and VertRefresh to the values you get |
| 08:23.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | mine is e.g. HorizSync 30.0 - 110.0 // VertRefresh 50.0 - 150.0 |
| 08:23.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | but it depends on what the monitor supports |
| 08:23.58 | Lucie_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:24.06 | Lucie_ | bye |
| 08:24.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | eh? |
| 08:24.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | you're weird |
| 08:24.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | bye |
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| 08:25.05 | Lucie_ | the documentation is not complete... |
| 08:25.26 | Lucie_ | No section for problems with X |
| 08:25.44 | petemc | ubuntu is probably a better fit for you |
| 08:25.55 | Lucie_ | but the boot is very fast |
| 08:26.01 | Lucie_ | of debian |
| 08:27.40 | Lucie_ | I think I will install gentoo |
| 08:27.41 | Lucie_ | bye |
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| 08:27.56 | jarick | Obviously I missed some excitement. |
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| 08:28.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | you missed some bleeping bleep of a bleeping bleep who bleep bleeep bleeeeeeeep! |
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| 08:28.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | see how I managed to keep that sentence family friendly? |
| 08:29.28 | jarick | CutMeOwnThroat: I thought it was usually ████. |
| 08:29.39 | jarick | (from Pearls Before Swine) |
| 08:29.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, bleep is fine, they say that in the radio a lot, too |
| 08:30.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | jarick, http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=bleep |
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| 08:38.51 | grosboulet | Bonjour :) |
| 08:39.08 | grosboulet | comment passer de lenny àsid ? |
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| 08:39.35 | grosboulet | (je pensais àupdate-manager, mais s'il y a en mode console, je préfère :p) |
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| 08:40.19 | cahoot | !fr |
| 08:40.20 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net. |
| 08:40.22 | grosboulet | suppose qu'il a plus qu'un sed sur /etc/apt/source.list àfaire |
| 08:40.45 | grosboulet | oups sorry :) |
| 08:41.16 | grosboulet | I want to upgrade my leeny to sid, how can I do that ? |
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| 08:43.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | !sid upgrade |
| 08:43.17 | dpkg | Repeat after me: Sid is NOT AN UPGRADE! Sid is meant for developers and testers, so stay away from it if you're neither. Use <stable> or <testing> instead. See also <sid upgrade test>. |
| 08:43.19 | jelly-home | grosboulet: if you have to ask, you shouldn't. What's the immediate reason for that? |
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| 08:43.40 | grosboulet | I don't think i have to do a sed on /etc/apt/source.list |
| 08:45.43 | grosboulet | i'm gentoo user, and I want to learn debian and make .deb ;) |
| 08:46.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, sid is the perfect opportunity to learn how to fix a broken system |
| 08:47.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | if that's your idea of a good time |
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| 09:14.32 | nsadmin | !squeeze udev |
| 09:14.32 | dpkg | As of <udev> 150 in squeeze, Linux kernel 2.6.27 or newer is required (i.e. upgrade kernel and udev at the same time). If udev installation fails and you already have a squeeze kernel installed, then reboot into the new kernel and "aptitude -f install ; aptitude safe-upgrade" to continue. See also <squeeze kernel>, <kernel abi>, http://bugs.debian.org/571255 |
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| 09:19.08 | SteveC | I can't get aptitude to install apache2-mod-php5, it claims it's no longer used every time? |
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| 09:19.40 | JyZyXEL | when you have your root fs on raid-1 can the /boot be there too or does it have to separately on just one of the devices? |
| 09:20.08 | jpinx-eeepc | !php |
| 09:20.08 | dpkg | PHP is a scripting language. To install, ask me about <install php>. See also <php5>, <php4 security>, <php wants me to download still>, <php mysql>, <xampp>, <phpmyadmin>, <php gd>. http://wiki.debian.org/PHP http://www.php.net/ #php on irc.oftc.net, #php and ##php on irc.freenode.net. |
| 09:20.20 | jpinx-eeepc | !install php |
| 09:20.20 | dpkg | To install PHP5 on apache2, aptitude install libapache2-mod-php5. Then restart your browser and try to access a php page. See also <php wants me to download still> <php mpm> <phpmyadmin> <install mysql> <install apache2>. There are also CGI and CLI versions of PHP available in the php5-cgi and php5-cli packages. |
| 09:20.38 | JyZyXEL | so can grub like boot off an md device? how about partitioned md device? |
| 09:20.39 | jpinx-eeepc | SteveC: ↑↑ |
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| 09:21.04 | SteveC | jpinx-eeepc: yes, I've done taht and it doesn't work. re-running aptitude and asking for an update says, "Packages being removed because they are no longer used" |
| 09:21.27 | jpinx-eeepc | SteveC: what release are you running? |
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| 09:22.56 | SteveC | jpinx-eeepc: an up-to-date etch install |
| 09:23.22 | simonrvn | nothing up to date with etch |
| 09:23.23 | jpinx-eeepc | ,versions php5 |
| 09:23.25 | judd | php5 -- etch: 5.2.0+dfsg-8+etch16; etch-security: 5.2.0+dfsg-8+etch16; lenny: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny4; lenny-security: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny8; sid: 5.3.2-1; squeeze: 5.3.2-1 |
| 09:23.53 | jpinx-eeepc | SteveC: you really should be on lenny, etch is not supported anymore |
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| 09:24.22 | SteveC | Not sure I can face an upgrade :) |
| 09:24.24 | jpinx-eeepc | !etch->lenny |
| 09:24.35 | \amethyst | SteveC: so aptitude install libapache2-mod-php5 tells you it is removing libapache2-mod-php5? |
| 09:24.36 | simonrvn | dpkg: etch->lenny |
| 09:24.37 | dpkg | Read the release notes, ask me about <lenny release notes>. Ensure your Etch installation is up to date (aptitude update; aptitude dist-upgrade). Edit your /etc/apt/sources.list and change all non-local mentions of "etch" to "lenny". aptitude update; aptitude install aptitude; aptitude safe-upgrade; aptitude full-upgrade. Also ask me about <apt-listbugs>, <etch->lenny key>. |
| 09:24.40 | jpinx-eeepc | SteveC: it's not that bad ;) |
| 09:24.42 | nsadmin | upgrades are easy |
| 09:25.00 | jpinx-eeepc | SteveC: we'll hold your hand ;) |
| 09:25.03 | nsadmin | you should back up and that[s probably harder |
| 09:25.15 | simonrvn | unlike some distros *cough*, debian is designed to be upgradable |
| 09:25.29 | SteveC | heh |
| 09:25.45 | SteveC | fwiw, update/dist-upgrade is fully up to date |
| 09:25.48 | gopa | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:26.10 | simonrvn | good thing you didn't input your password |
| 09:26.11 | SteveC | I'd really like to fix libapache2-mod-php5 first... |
| 09:26.24 | simonrvn | that would be advisable |
| 09:26.58 | SteveC | right, repeatedly running install on libapache2-mod-php5 has made it stay installed, but it's not working.. |
| 09:27.28 | simonrvn | !unmarkauto |
| 09:27.29 | dpkg | Is aptitude or apt-get trying to remove packages that it thinks were automatically installed? This happens when you "aptitude install gnome" and then later remove bits of it, the gnome meta-package will be uninstalled and aptitude will try to remove lots more. Fix this by running "aptitude install packagename" or "aptitude unmarkauto packagename" on strategically chosen packages, or reinstall the <metapackage>. |
| 09:27.39 | SteveC | what does 'p' mean in aptitude beside an item? |
| 09:27.49 | simonrvn | purge |
| 09:27.55 | SteveC | that's beside php5? |
| 09:28.11 | simonrvn | hth should i know? |
| 09:28.35 | simonrvn | brb |
| 09:28.42 | SteveC | and 'c' is beside some others I need |
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| 09:30.02 | amee2k | how do i switch NFS to use UDP? |
| 09:31.20 | lindi- | amee2k: the mount option proto=udb |
| 09:31.22 | lindi- | amee2k: the mount option proto=udp |
| 09:31.34 | SteveC | when I remove libapache2-mod-php5 it says, 'Module php5 already disabled |
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| 09:31.53 | amee2k | oh, its a client side option? |
| 09:32.00 | lindi- | amee2k: yes |
| 09:32.06 | amee2k | hm. |
| 09:32.11 | lindi- | amee2k: man nfs and all that :) |
| 09:32.20 | \amethyst | the server listens on both by default |
| 09:32.30 | amee2k | right. i was looking at man mount ;) |
| 09:32.45 | amee2k | seems like you can't slip it in with -o remount :( |
| 09:32.59 | plonker | SteveC: it might be worth purging apache2 , getting rid of the configs and starting again |
| 09:33.07 | simonrvn | SteveC: c is the equivalent of dpkg's 'rc', "removed, configs remain" |
| 09:33.14 | plonker | and follow the instructions from dpkg |
| 09:33.21 | simonrvn | man dpkg; man aptitude |
| 09:33.41 | plonker | SteveC: and use aptitude - it does more ;) |
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| 09:34.13 | SteveC | plonker: hurm, purge apache2, that sounds like a big job... eek |
| 09:34.41 | SteveC | right, I have to bring kids to a birthday party - I'll have to do this later... |
| 09:35.01 | couannette | reprepro question : if i want to build for 2 archs, in 2 incoming steps by 2 people (2 gpg keys), how can do this with reprepro (it refures to add the second .dsc because it has a different signature) ? (maybe i should NOT sign the .dsc?) ??? |
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| 09:36.32 | amee2k | lindi-: thanks, that worked |
| 09:36.45 | amee2k | the performance gain is somewhat marginal however :/ |
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| 09:39.32 | amee2k | damn, this is nasty |
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| 09:40.27 | amee2k | i'm backing up ~400GB of stuff over a gigabit crosslink but ngs barely manages to use like 20% of the raw write rate of the server disks |
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| 09:40.41 | jepster | hi, how I can learn which ip my debian virtual machine has? |
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| 09:40.47 | jepster | I use debian 5.04 |
| 09:40.48 | flo` | hi |
| 09:40.52 | amee2k | i'm exporting with async and mounting with rsize=32768,wsize=32768,proto=udp |
| 09:41.13 | amee2k | ftp is not an option because theres a pike of symlinks in there that want to be preserved without duplicating files |
| 09:41.14 | flo` | i installed kernel 2.6.32 from lenny-backports. however, this breaks 3d graphics |
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| 09:41.26 | amee2k | any suggestions on how i could speed this up? |
| 09:41.37 | flo` | glxinfo's output doesn't change, but glxgears is black most of the time and sometimes flickers |
| 09:41.45 | amee2k | jepster: run 'ifconfig' on it? |
| 09:41.53 | flo` | changing AGP speed or setting PCI mode doesn't help. what's wrong there? |
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| 09:42.00 | flo` | with 2.6.26 it works |
| 09:42.04 | SteveC | might spend the day migrating to his other debian server and switching this one off. |
| 09:42.09 | flo` | with a self-compiled 2.6.34 it also fails |
| 09:42.17 | flo` | how can i fix that? |
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| 09:42.52 | lindi- | amee2k: use rsync, not nfs |
| 09:42.59 | jepster | amee2k: the virtual machine does not know this command. which package shoul I install, to use ifconfig? |
| 09:43.25 | amee2k | jepster: its in the base system, but you may need to prefix /sbin/ or run as root |
| 09:43.41 | amee2k | for some reason debian doesn't like to put sbin in the user's paths |
| 09:44.04 | jepster | amee2k: ok, I've runned it as root. thanks for your help. |
| 09:44.09 | amee2k | lindi-: interresting. can rsync push to the server, or do i need to set up the server on the client? |
| 09:44.17 | amee2k | you're welcome :) |
| 09:44.35 | plonker | SteveC: do the upgrade on the other machine before you do the move ;) |
| 09:45.03 | plonker | amee2k: yes - rsync can push and over ssh froma remote box if needed |
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| 09:45.21 | lindi- | amee2k: you need rsync on both sides |
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| 09:45.30 | amee2k | nice. never really used it tbh |
| 09:45.46 | lindi- | amee2k: if you want maximum performance you can run it without ssh |
| 09:46.01 | amee2k | yeah. its a crosslink so the line is secure already |
| 09:46.21 | plonker | *much* faster without ssh ;) |
| 09:46.23 | flo` | i'm using the opensource radeon driver |
| 09:46.30 | lindi- | flo`: there are two |
| 09:46.30 | flo` | i have a radeon moility m6 ly |
| 09:46.34 | flo` | radeon |
| 09:46.36 | flo` | not radeonhd |
| 09:46.57 | lindi- | 'Mobility Radeon HD 3450' here |
| 09:47.08 | flo` | how can a kernel update affect 3d? |
| 09:47.15 | lindi- | flo`: easily |
| 09:47.23 | flo` | lindi-, ? |
| 09:47.28 | flo` | and how can i fix that? |
| 09:47.34 | flo` | is there any way to fix it at all? |
| 09:48.03 | lindi- | fix what? |
| 09:48.21 | flo` | lindi-, the problems ._. |
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| 09:48.25 | flo` | glxinfo's output doesn't change, but glxgears is black most of the time and sometimes flickers |
| 09:48.50 | flo` | 2.6.26 shows perfect gears. 2.6.32 only sometimes shows flickering gears |
| 09:49.01 | flo` | also other 3d programs fail displaying |
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| 09:50.13 | lindi- | flo`: sounds like a possible kernel bug |
| 09:50.51 | flo` | argh -_- |
| 09:51.00 | flo` | seems like the kernel does only consist of bugs ._. |
| 09:51.14 | flo` | s2ram fails, 3d fails, s2ram fails also in another way |
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| 09:52.26 | lindi- | flo`: heh :) |
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| 09:54.52 | gnude | hello, exist an install cd with reiser4 support, so that i can install a debian stable on reiser4? |
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| 10:11.17 | amee2k | SWEET |
| 10:11.27 | amee2k | thanks lindi-! |
| 10:11.58 | amee2k | im getting 60..80% saturation now |
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| 10:12.29 | amee2k | that reduced the time needed to like 1/4th or so |
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| 10:16.57 | Angel-SL | hi, I seem to have interrupted an install of kde-standard from the testing repository by accident |
| 10:17.31 | Angel-SL | now the login screen appears for a split second before causing either gdm or x (or something else) to crash; I'm unable to go to another tty to try to fix the problem.. |
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| 10:18.08 | Angel-SL | so two questions - how do I prevent x from starting up, and how do I fix an interrupted apt-get install? |
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| 10:18.53 | petemc | Angel-SL: /msg dpkg nodm , and just run apt-get again |
| 10:19.28 | jpinx-eeepc | Angel-SL: you can use Ctrl Alt F1 to get a login, and then use aptitude . not apt-get |
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| 10:19.56 | Angel-SL | uh.. i can't use any tty because x keeps switching me back to the login screen and crashes again |
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| 10:20.12 | iceroot | can you recoomend a good book (ebook or real book) for learning debian (etch or lenny). so there is something about the package-management and other important things you have to know about debian. also for what are the directorys (/usr, /var and so on) |
| 10:20.37 | jpinx-eeepc | !nodm |
| 10:20.37 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "aptitude remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm slim". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console. |
| 10:20.57 | Angel-SL | oh, and I can't get to a terminal to type that. |
| 10:21.08 | action09 | hi all |
| 10:21.17 | jpinx-eeepc | Angel-SL: try starting in single-user mode ? |
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| 10:21.28 | jpinx-eeepc | iceroot: giyf |
| 10:22.20 | iceroot | jpinx-eeepc: i am asking about a opinion here , because here are debian users with skill so i think they know if a book is good. i dont need (stupid) google answers |
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| 10:23.10 | jpinx-eeepc | iceroot: no idea about books, but debian.org has lots of info and links |
| 10:23.32 | Angel-SL | oh, and is it possible to scroll up to look at the backlog in text mode? |
| 10:23.41 | jpinx-eeepc | Angel-SL: yes |
| 10:23.49 | iceroot | jpinx-eeepc: i want it in one place, so a book, i dont want to search for infos on the net, i want to have them in one place (as a real book) |
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| 10:24.18 | broy- | http://debiananwenderhandbuch.de/ iceroot |
| 10:24.50 | iceroot | broy-: thx, i will have a look there |
| 10:25.04 | jpinx-eeepc | iceroot: did you even bother to look in debian.org for references to books? |
| 10:25.17 | amee2k | Angel-SL: log in from another host? |
| 10:25.49 | amee2k | Angel-SL: or try adding "2" to the boot options in grub. that should drop you straight to runlevel 2 |
| 10:25.55 | iceroot | jpinx-eeepc: did you? if you did you could name me one :) |
| 10:26.03 | jpinx-eeepc | Angel-SL: or edit the login commend in grub |
| 10:26.05 | Angel-SL | amee2k: i launched in singleuser mode |
| 10:26.18 | jpinx-eeepc | iceroot: I am not here to do your work for you :p |
| 10:26.37 | amee2k | oh, right. jpinx beat me to it :) |
| 10:26.38 | iceroot | jpinx-eeepc: yes thanks but i dont think i need your "support" |
| 10:26.56 | Angel-SL | dependency problems |
| 10:26.58 | Angel-SL | ugh |
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| 10:27.20 | jpinx-eeepc | Angel-SL: use aptitude |
| 10:27.27 | Angel-SL | i am |
| 10:27.30 | jpinx-eeepc | it's good for resolving depends issues |
| 10:27.34 | jpinx-eeepc | not apt-get |
| 10:27.47 | Angel-SL | i'm not using apt-get |
| 10:27.55 | Angel-SL | i did "aptitude install kde-standard" |
| 10:28.41 | jpinx-eeepc | Angel-SL: I'd do an aptitude update and aptitude safe-upgrade first to allow aptitude to do it's thing |
| 10:28.54 | jpinx-eeepc | and see what errors it throws at you |
| 10:29.06 | iceroot | broy-: thanks for the link, that is what i was looking for |
| 10:29.35 | broy- | iceroot, well u need help, your server acts like a prostitute atm :) |
| 10:29.37 | Dassu | jep jep |
| 10:29.50 | jpinx-eeepc | !books |
| 10:29.50 | dpkg | For documentation and books on Debian, see http://www.debian.org/docs and http://www.debian.org/doc/books . Also ask me about <grounding>. |
| 10:30.08 | jpinx-eeepc | iceroot: ↑↑ |
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| 10:30.17 | iceroot | broy-: why do you think so? |
| 10:30.25 | broy- | go ahead and read |
| 10:30.41 | antonio2 | hi there, is there any way/tool to get all versions available for a package in unstable? (not only the latest one, I want all downloadable one) |
| 10:30.54 | iceroot | always the same with the "userfriendly" debian. rtfm and giyf :) |
| 10:31.06 | iceroot | and they wonder why people use ubuntu |
| 10:31.07 | jpinx-eeepc | antonio2: packages.debian.org |
| 10:31.23 | antonio2 | jpinx-eeepc: I was looking for a command line tool :-) |
| 10:31.41 | jpinx-eeepc | antonio2: apt-cache search et seq. |
| 10:31.54 | nkuttler | antonio2: there is only one version of a specific package in unstable |
| 10:32.14 | jpinx-eeepc | antonio2: and /msg judd versions <package> in here |
| 10:32.42 | iceroot | jpinx-eeepc: fyi: the first link is 404 |
| 10:33.08 | jpinx-eeepc | iceroot: report it to the ops, not me :) |
| 10:33.23 | dutchfish | nkuttler: at times there can be more then 1 version (example: grub) |
| 10:33.28 | nkuttler | why would you bother the ops with a minor edit? |
| 10:33.32 | petemc | anyone can change factoids |
| 10:33.36 | nkuttler | dutchfish: heh |
| 10:33.55 | jpinx-eeepc | petemc: anyone who is registered |
| 10:34.39 | antonio2 | ok it seems that I can't find the list anymore on the web, I was wodnering if there was any way to get all packages released for unstable (even before the current version) for a particular package |
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| 10:34.56 | nkuttler | antonio2: /msg dpkg snapshot |
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| 10:35.28 | \amethyst | dpkg, books =~ s/docs/doc/ |
| 10:35.28 | dpkg | \amethyst: OK |
| 10:35.37 | broy- | !version kde-base |
| 10:35.39 | broy- | !versions kde-base |
| 10:35.42 | broy- | um |
| 10:36.20 | antonio2 | nkuttler: nice! thanks! ok, is there any way to retrieve this data from command line? |
| 10:36.21 | dutchfish | antonio2: is a complete listing of your curent repository what you are after? |
| 10:36.25 | jpinx-eeepc | ,versions kde-base |
| 10:36.27 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'kde-base' was found. |
| 10:36.40 | antonio2 | dutchfish: I'm after the list that is in snapshot.debian.org :-) |
| 10:36.46 | broy- | ,versions kdebase |
| 10:36.49 | judd | kdebase -- etch-security: 4:3.5.5a.dfsg.1-6etch1; etch: 4:3.5.5a.dfsg.1-6etch2; etch-backports: 4:3.5.7-4~bpo40+1; lenny: 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-6; lenny-security: 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-6+lenny1; sid: 5:62; squeeze: 5:62 |
| 10:36.50 | jpinx-eeepc | broy-: use /msg judd versi,.... |
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| 10:41.06 | amee2k | damn, rsync is saturating the server so badly, nfs is now stalling completely |
| 10:41.08 | amee2k | waiting 5 minutes for an ls -l now |
| 10:42.11 | SOUL_OF_R00T | hello to all here in Brazil 7:44 am |
| 10:42.11 | dutchfish | antonio2: why not wget http://snapshot.debian.org/archive/debian/[date]T[time]Z/dists/[flavour]/Contents-[arch].gz ? |
| 10:42.59 | antonio2 | dutchfish: because I need all previous versions fo a particular package, so I can't fetch for date/time :( |
| 10:43.06 | antonio2 | it sounds better to scrape the webpage =) |
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| 10:44.35 | dutchfish | antonio2: i consider that bad practise to query a backend repeatedly through a webinterface, not only for yourself but also for the website you are scraping |
| 10:48.19 | dutchfish | antonio2: you might to have a peak at http://udd.debian.org/schema/udd.html |
| 10:51.18 | dutchfish | antonio2: some examples too http://udd.debian.org/cgi-bin/ |
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| 10:54.54 | amee2k | dang |
| 10:55.03 | amee2k | i think i just killed the network stack on the server |
| 10:55.09 | dutchfish | beardy: Kraftwerk is ++ |
| 10:55.35 | dutchfish | sorry xpost |
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| 10:56.04 | echosystm | guys, ive got a bit of a problem |
| 10:56.17 | echosystm | during the install, it said it cant find my pcmcia ethernet card |
| 10:56.24 | echosystm | and to go back to the autodetect stage |
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| 10:56.30 | echosystm | i did that, it found it and installed |
| 10:56.46 | echosystm | i reboot, and now i have no network connection |
| 10:56.50 | beardy | nods! |
| 10:56.57 | echosystm | how do i "redo" that autodetection stage? |
| 10:57.27 | amee2k | reboot the install cd, do the detection thing, and note which modules it has loaded afterwards? |
| 10:57.38 | echosystm | theres no way to do this from the install ive got now? |
| 10:57.53 | amee2k | then diff that against the modules loaded in your installed system and add missing ones to /etc/modules |
| 10:58.16 | amee2k | i don't think so. the whole hardware detection thing is very install cd specific |
| 10:58.37 | king313 | Hi. Reading /proc/cpuinfo it recognizes my model as Intel 2 Duo with 1.83GHz... but in the field cpu MHz shows 1GB |
| 10:58.40 | amee2k | i'm running rsync -a to upload stuff right now. if i kill that to restart the server, how can i resule the upload at the point where i left off? |
| 10:58.45 | king313 | it's using 1.83 o 1GB? |
| 10:58.52 | king313 | $ cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep "model name" |
| 10:58.52 | king313 | model name : Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU T5550 @ 1.83GHz |
| 10:58.52 | king313 | model name : Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU T5550 @ 1.83GHz |
| 10:58.53 | echosystm | is there any way i can list what pcmcia devices are connected? |
| 10:58.57 | king313 | $ cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep "cpu MHz" |
| 10:58.57 | king313 | cpu MHz : 1000.000 |
| 10:58.59 | echosystm | lspci doesnt show me anything useful |
| 10:59.07 | amee2k | king313: pastebin please! |
| 10:59.09 | beardy | king313: Use a pastebin next time. |
| 10:59.24 | king313 | Sorry. |
| 10:59.34 | amee2k | king313: do you have dynamic frequency scaling enabled? |
| 11:00.15 | king313 | amee2k, i'm going to search how to see that |
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| 11:01.35 | king313 | reading /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_available_frequencies gives me the values 1833000 1333000 1000000 |
| 11:02.18 | king313 | so I it's that the kernel changes the freq as it needs for energy saving? |
| 11:02.49 | amee2k | the proc entry is showing the *actual* frequency of the processor, not the design maximum |
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| 11:03.23 | amee2k | you may want to drop that frequency scaling applet into your panel ;) |
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| 11:04.47 | king313 | amee2k, I have the system monitor, I don't know if it scale the frequency too |
| 11:05.20 | amee2k | system monitor != frequency scaling monitor |
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| 11:05.42 | king313 | amee2k, then, I don't have it activad |
| 11:05.55 | king313 | I'm doing a CPU benchmark to see if CPU scales up |
| 11:06.06 | amee2k | you don't need the applet to have frequency scaling enabled |
| 11:06.14 | king313 | cpu MHz : 1833.000 <--one up |
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| 11:06.15 | amee2k | but the applet allows you to control it |
| 11:06.16 | Bushmills | king313: cpufreq-info tells you what "governor" your system uses. with cpufreq-set you can change it |
| 11:06.19 | amee2k | thats the whole idea ;) |
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| 11:06.43 | king313 | thanks, amee2k, I've got it now |
| 11:07.16 | king313 | Bushmills, thanks you too! |
| 11:08.07 | amee2k | you're welcome :) |
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| 11:08.20 | manuel__ | hi |
| 11:08.33 | manuel__ | my fan is too slow in my thinkpad laptop t400 |
| 11:08.53 | manuel__ | it runs on level 7 already but my thinkpad has 85° |
| 11:09.07 | manuel__ | is there a way to increase the rpm on the fan ? |
| 11:09.12 | manuel__ | Thanks a lto |
| 11:09.14 | manuel__ | lot |
| 11:09.44 | Bushmills | check out BIOS settings, and/or install fancontrol. configure it. |
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| 11:12.34 | valdyn | manuel__: fan speed should be firmware controlled, unlikely you can make it faster |
| 11:13.03 | dm8tbr | so is that a known problem that bind9 9.6.ESV.R1+dfsg-0+lenny1 refuses to start if /usr/lib/ssl/openssl.cnf is a symlink? |
| 11:13.40 | lindi- | manuel__: "To enable the fan speed control, it's necessary to load the thinkpad_acpi with option fan_control=1. After the thinkpad_acpi module is loaded with this option, you can monitor and adjust the fan speed via /proc/acpi/ibm/fan. |
| 11:13.53 | lindi- | manuel__: -- first hit on google for To enable the fan speed control, it's necessary to load the thinkpad_acpi with option fan_control=1. After the thinkpad_acpi module is loaded with this option, you can monitor and adjust the fan speed via /proc/acpi/ibm/fan. |
| 11:13.57 | lindi- | whoops :) |
| 11:14.24 | lindi- | manuel__: -- http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Lenovo_ThinkPad_T400 |
| 11:17.02 | manuel__ | i got the fan_control=1 already and use thinkfan to speed it up a bit and it helped for about 5 ° or so but it is still too hot |
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| 11:17.30 | Bushmills | lindi-: fail. googling everybody can. |
| 11:17.51 | manuel__ | the problem is not that it will not switch in the higher levels like from 6 to 7 the problem is that the rpm on these levels is too low |
| 11:17.55 | lindi- | the original submitter failed by not mentioning that he was already able to control fan speed :) |
| 11:18.06 | liable | manuel__: you sure its not full of dust? my old TP would get clogged up pretty bad |
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| 11:18.49 | manuel__ | liable, how can i check ? i dont really want to open it |
| 11:19.01 | dm8tbr | to answer my own question it's bug 584911 |
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| 11:19.24 | Bushmills | manuel__: monitor its RPMs. when constant, dust clogging is unlikely |
| 11:19.43 | Bushmills | with dust, speed is irregular, showing many peaks and dips |
| 11:19.53 | manuel__ | is constant |
| 11:19.59 | manuel__ | thanks for the tip |
| 11:20.26 | manuel__ | how could i improve rpm speed ? |
| 11:21.37 | lindi- | manuel__: how many rpm is it now? |
| 11:21.51 | manuel__ | 2988 |
| 11:22.02 | manuel__ | 67 ° |
| 11:22.15 | lindi- | that's quite a lot, don't you think? |
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| 11:23.12 | manuel__ | yes but 67 ° is alsow a lot and i do nothing atm if i do some web browsing and listen to musik it will go up to 85 ° |
| 11:23.37 | manuel__ | and if i start a game it will go to 95 ° and after some time shutdown because of 100 ° |
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| 11:23.48 | lindi- | manuel__: sounds like a hardware problem to me |
| 11:23.58 | manuel__ | and that should not happen instead the fan should speed up and cool it down |
| 11:24.03 | manuel__ | like what ? |
| 11:24.16 | dutchfish | manuel__: are there any processes hogging your cpu? did you check with powertop? |
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| 11:24.44 | p0g0 | manuel__: I have one of those- the fan and heat sink are pretty exotic, but you might be able to use compressed air to flush it without opening the case. |
| 11:24.45 | manuel__ | and i have to say when i used ubuntu the fan worked in the sens of speeding up when it was hot |
| 11:25.13 | manuel__ | dutchfish, not yet |
| 11:25.27 | abrotman | manuel__: uname -r ? |
| 11:25.39 | p0g0 | manuel__: but getting to the fan is pretty easy, you just pull the keyboard-there are tutorials on the web. |
| 11:25.55 | manuel__ | 2.6.34-0.slh.7-sidux-amd64 |
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| 11:27.04 | abrotman | manuel__: why are you asking here about sidux? it is NOT debian |
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| 11:27.41 | abrotman | manuel__: please go to #sidux on irc.oftc.net |
| 11:27.57 | henrikbjorn | Hey. Where can i see the status for new packages for inclusion in the stable dist? (php 5.3.2) |
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| 11:28.47 | manuel__ | as far as i know does sidux use debian unstable and they only do their own kernel isnt it ? |
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| 11:29.11 | manuel__ | anyway thanks for the tipps |
| 11:29.14 | dutchfish | henrikbjorn: zilch ie stable will not inlcude new versions of a package you might want to consult bpo |
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| 11:30.32 | henrikbjorn | dutchfish new releases will hopefully ? :) |
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| 11:32.06 | dutchfish | henrikbjorn: sure, see also http://packages.qa.debian.org/p/php5.html |
| 11:32.18 | Bushmills | henrikbjorn: create a directory, debootstrap testing to it. chroot to it. aptitude update. now aptitude shows all packages of next stable |
| 11:32.54 | henrikbjorn | Bushmills ill try that aswell :) |
| 11:32.59 | Bushmills | nice thing is, repeating update, and the list is updated too |
| 11:34.51 | dutchfish | Bushmills: i thinkthat deb:php5 within konqueror is much quicker ;) |
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| 11:36.43 | Bushmills | dutchfish: quicker, likely. but much less of a live experience |
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| 11:37.16 | dutchfish | fair enough |
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| 12:00.11 | xfact | Hello |
| 12:00.28 | xfact | I have got an issue, please help http://paste.ubuntu.com/449151/ |
| 12:01.58 | abrotman | xfact: uname -r |
| 12:02.44 | xfact | 2.6.32-22-generic abrotman |
| 12:02.52 | abrotman | xfact: please ask #ubuntu or ##linux |
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| 12:03.14 | xfact | Ok |
| 12:03.15 | abrotman | xfact: segfaults can be a hardware issue, given that you have three apps crashing, either something is corrupted, or the hardware is dying |
| 12:03.30 | xfact | Ok thanks for help tho |
| 12:04.11 | dracz | Hi! Is there a way to find out from which repository URL a package will be installed by apt-get? TIA |
| 12:04.22 | \amethyst | dracz: apt-cache policy <packagename> |
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| 12:05.01 | \amethyst | dracz: oh, I guess you mean the URL of the file, not of the repository |
| 12:05.23 | dracz | amethyst: no that was what i was looking for |
| 12:05.33 | dracz | thanks a bunch! |
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| 12:40.01 | JyZyXEL | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:40.03 | JyZyXEL | Starting MySQL database server: mysqld . . . . . . . . . . . . . . failed! |
| 12:40.08 | JyZyXEL | where might i find the reason for this? |
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| 12:41.40 | Tadys | JyZyXEL, read log |
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| 12:42.49 | JyZyXEL | Tadys: what log |
| 12:42.59 | Tadys | /var/log/mysql/... |
| 12:42.59 | ruben23 | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:43.48 | JyZyXEL | Tadys: you mean /var/log/mysql.err ? |
| 12:44.18 | Tadys | I dont know, maybe, read |
| 12:44.23 | JyZyXEL | its empty |
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| 12:44.55 | Tadys | try this /var/log/mysql/error.log |
| 12:45.07 | JyZyXEL | no such file |
| 12:46.31 | jpinx-eeepc | JyZyXEL: ls /var/log and find it |
| 12:46.39 | Tadys | /var/log/syslog |
| 12:46.48 | JyZyXEL | there we go |
| 12:47.09 | Tadys | nano /var/log/syslog and see mysql error |
| 12:47.28 | jpinx-eeepc | don't nano it - use less |
| 12:47.43 | JyZyXEL | tail |
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| 12:48.04 | jpinx-eeepc | tail -f and watch what happens while you try again |
| 12:48.14 | JyZyXEL | http://pastebin.com/7TDHQBai |
| 12:48.23 | JyZyXEL | i have no idea what that error really means |
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| 12:53.23 | honschu | How to disable the xfonts-100dpi in debian-testing? I can't remove the whole package because it depends on xorg.conf. |
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| 12:54.09 | Arrowmaster | what the hell is with these locale errors http://pastebin.com/3eZhfWLW |
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| 12:54.31 | honschu | is there a replacement for Xdialog? |
| 12:56.08 | honschu | libgtk1.2 for squeeze is gone, could I just install the lenny-package? Or is there a better solution to get libgtk1.2 support back? Do I have to recompile the sources by hand? |
| 12:56.43 | Bushmills | honschu: zenity is similar, but not a drop-in replacement |
| 12:57.06 | Arrowmaster | recompile, but there is a reason its gone i believe |
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| 12:57.33 | Bushmills | upgrading the packages which depend on gtk1.2 should do |
| 12:57.58 | honschu | I want to compile xmms myself and do some codings... so I need libgtk1.2 ... |
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| 12:58.34 | honschu | zenity is ok, I'll change my scipts to it |
| 12:59.12 | Arrowmaster | then youll need to compile all legacy stuff yourself that xmms needs, including libgtk1.2 |
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| 13:01.29 | OltreIrc`63025 | ciao |
| 13:01.39 | OltreIrc`63025 | !list |
| 13:01.39 | dpkg | oltreirc`63025: VATTENE VIA |
| 13:01.52 | OltreIrc`63025 | perchè |
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| 13:02.36 | Arrowmaster | haha that must be new |
| 13:05.28 | abrotman | it's very old |
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| 13:06.46 | Arrowmaster | well ive not seen it before but i see the damn 'ciao' '!list' crap often enough |
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| 13:09.14 | AimHere | dpkg shoud respond to !list by dumping an entire Debian Sid package list onto the perpetrator in a PM |
| 13:09.15 | dpkg | AimHere: You are person #1 to send an unparseable request |
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| 13:11.23 | Arrowmaster | i was close to helping setup an automatic kline trigger for it on another network |
| 13:13.11 | Arrowmaster | hmm seems update-grub wasnt run when i got a new kernel installed |
| 13:14.17 | Bushmills | xmms has been obsoleted, or removed from debian, for about 2 or 3 years |
| 13:15.02 | Bushmills | i suppose wanting to compile xmms nowadays also requires compiling libgtk1.2 |
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| 13:15.46 | abrotman | try audacious |
| 13:16.00 | Bushmills | alsaplayer |
| 13:16.10 | Bushmills | or an mpd client |
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| 13:16.42 | Bushmills | vlc, even, when it is available again |
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| 13:30.31 | eli_ | heelo guys wonder if I could check which packages are installed on my system with aptitude? |
| 13:31.29 | Dassu | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:31.29 | dpkg | Dassu: are you using Windows? |
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| 13:33.56 | eli_ | okej so aptitude cant check it? |
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| 13:36.53 | abrotman | !tell eli_ about installed |
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| 13:38.26 | umarzuki | hi, is there any similar package like php5-iconv for debian lenny. I'm trying to install zafara |
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| 13:40.11 | MadBlack | hello |
| 13:40.35 | MadBlack | anyone using lxde and debian squeeze? |
| 13:41.39 | abrotman | yes, why |
| 13:42.07 | abrotman | MadBlack: ? |
| 13:42.11 | MadBlack | since the last upgrade i have problems with desktop, but i can't find this listed in bugs |
| 13:42.30 | MadBlack | desktop don't show files and folders |
| 13:42.39 | abrotman | MadBlack: instead of showing it, it shows a pcmanfm ? |
| 13:42.45 | MadBlack | yes |
| 13:42.58 | abrotman | MadBlack: there's a file .. i don't have that machine running ... let me see |
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| 13:44.00 | abrotman | it's like /etc/xdg/lxsession/LXDE/autostart .. change "@pcmanfm -d" to @pcmanfm -d --desktop" or something like that |
| 13:44.04 | HackeMate | hello, does this means my cd burner is broken? http://pastebin.com/gL84q2j3 |
| 13:44.17 | abrotman | MadBlack: or get the lxsessoin package from unstable |
| 13:44.31 | MadBlack | abrotman: ok, i will try. Thanks |
| 13:44.47 | abrotman | runs away |
| 13:48.12 | mdik | hi. how can i find out where "/usr/lib/kde4/kcm_filetypes.so" came from |
| 13:48.22 | bzed | dpkg -S /usr/lib/kde4/kcm_filetypes.so |
| 13:48.22 | dpkg | You Fool! /usr/lib/kde4/kcm_filetypes.so is installed! |
| 13:48.30 | mdik | and i don't mean dpkg -S, but more like the source-file-name |
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| 13:48.42 | mdik | :D |
| 13:48.48 | bzed | mdik: download the source, read it (and the build system...) |
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| 13:49.32 | mdik | and the bible and the local phonebook, too |
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| 13:49.46 | dvs | War and Peace? |
| 13:50.07 | mdik | ok, you're right, maybe it will give me a hint... :] |
| 13:51.17 | MadBlack | can someone confirm that in squeeze kde does not start due to a bug of kde- |
| 13:51.17 | MadBlack | workspace-bin? |
| 13:52.14 | dvs | MadBlack: kde starts for me in squeeze |
| 13:53.32 | MadBlack | dvs: have you already upgraded to 4.4.4-1? |
| 13:53.54 | dvs | MadBlack: I have whatever squeeze has. |
| 13:54.30 | MadBlack | I refer to an update done today |
| 13:54.53 | dvs | MadBlack: I haven't updated today. |
| 13:55.04 | dvs | (and it looks like I wont) |
| 13:55.14 | MadBlack | ok |
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| 13:57.39 | Wyzard | HackeMate: That looks like something was trying to probe for a UDF filesystem on the inserted disc, but was unable to read the disc -- maybe it's a blank? |
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| 13:58.39 | Wyzard | HackeMate: Unless the disc actually does contain a valid UDF or ISO9660 filesystem, I wouldn't worry about that message |
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| 14:04.16 | amee2k | !fanspeed |
| 14:04.22 | amee2k | hmmm |
| 14:04.33 | amee2k | what was it again that you use for controlling fan speeds? |
| 14:04.54 | jpinx-eeepc | !tell amee2k about selftell |
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| 14:05.48 | amee2k | right. that was helpful. |
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| 14:08.10 | amee2k | ... |
| 14:08.14 | amee2k | fancontrol was it |
| 14:08.26 | amee2k | but whats the package name? |
| 14:08.38 | amee2k | someone please poop the right bot factoid at me |
| 14:09.31 | WormFood | does anyone have a clue as to why grub is booting the 3rd entry automatically, even tho I have my timeout set to 90, and the default entry is 0 (1st entry)? |
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| 14:12.01 | pipeline | WormFood: grub isn't using the config file you think it's using |
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| 14:12.48 | WormFood | that is funny, because when I edited it to remove the unused kernels, the first time I rebooted it worked fine (those entries were removed)....so what do you think it is using? |
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| 14:13.13 | superlinux | hi all .. I have a good administrative idea to do similar to Norton Ghost over the network. I know there are tools out there that does the job. but I think you will like the idea. |
| 14:13.56 | WormFood | superlinux, tar and netcat |
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| 14:14.13 | petemc | partimage |
| 14:14.36 | superlinux | 1- make a disk image using `cat`. e.g. cat /dev/hda >disk.img |
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| 14:14.54 | superlinux | 2- copy that on a webserver like apache |
| 14:14.59 | rclare70 | hey, does anyone know a command to auto run a command on shell load? |
| 14:15.01 | poisonbit | compress first ? |
| 14:15.21 | poisonbit | rclare70, in shell initialization files i.e. $HOME/.bashrc |
| 14:15.47 | WormFood | superlinux, learn how to use netcat and tar....ie. tar cvz /dev/hda | nc -q 1 remote_machine <some random port> |
| 14:15.55 | superlinux | 3- use wget on the client side, as in: wget http://server_ip/path/to/disk_image.img --output-document=- >/dev/hda1 |
| 14:16.03 | mdik | rclare70: put it in ~/.bashrc (maybe with an "exec" beforehand) |
| 14:16.22 | superlinux | WormFood, I know there is netcat and tar. I said so earlier |
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| 14:16.39 | WormFood | superlinux, clearly you don't understand the unix philosophy. Why make a disk image in the 1st place? |
| 14:16.42 | petemc | superlinux: thats a very basic way of doing what lots of existing tools do in much better ways already |
| 14:16.57 | WormFood | agreed petemc |
| 14:17.18 | jhutchins_lt | clonezilla |
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| 14:17.59 | WormFood | superlinux, hahahaha...you're funny....got any more jokes for us? |
| 14:18.30 | superlinux | oh yes there is |
| 14:18.40 | superlinux | and this one happened for real |
| 14:18.54 | mh_ | hi i have a problem.. i have a soundcard which does not work with the alsa-driver package 1.0.21, i will have to update to version 1.0.23, i could compile to source.. but all my dpkg -l points to i have version 1.0.23, but eventho i have got a report from the alsa-project and im pretty sure i have version 1.0.21, are there anyone how can help me a step further.. or else i just better compile the source from the alsa project |
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| 14:19.27 | shahri | hm, does anyone have an idea on how I to force tar to "dereference" (that is, copy the destination files) symlinks when extracting? I need to do it because I want to extract stuff to a FAT32 FS (which of course doesn't support symlinks), but as it seems, the -h CLI param is for archiving only, not for extracting. thanks |
| 14:19.50 | jpinx-eeepc | mh_: check backports ? |
| 14:21.14 | WormFood | shahri, the symlinks in the tar are not pointing to any files...there are no files for it to extract....you have to dereference it when you make the archive |
| 14:21.37 | shahri | hm. |
| 14:21.52 | mh_ | jpinx-eeepc: not much into backports, but isnt it something to get older versions of software? |
| 14:22.00 | shahri | well, when trying to extract them, I get errors about "bla operation not permitted", because, as I said, it's a FAT32 drive |
| 14:22.08 | superlinux | there is a computer illiterate, and has a laptop, asked some other guy to install a software on the laptop. so when he saw the progress bar of the installation, he took the laptop off the guy, flips the laptop screen and shaking it, then says:"this water must reach the end, why isn't?!!" |
| 14:22.09 | shahri | and I didn't make that archive |
| 14:22.22 | mh_ | jpinx-eeepc: ah.. all my alsa stuff i run it as sid.. so it is up to date.. |
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| 14:22.50 | jpinx-eeepc | mh_: how did you get it from sid? |
| 14:22.55 | WormFood | shahri, if the symlinks are pointing to files in the archive, then extract it on a compatible file system, and copy it to your fat drive. (using suitable options, of course) |
| 14:23.25 | mdik | shahri: dont you have a partition with a FS that can handle links where you can extract and then just plain copy the whole thing? |
| 14:23.40 | mh_ | jpinx-eeepc: i have a running squeeze dist.. then added sid to my sources.list, and then install.. bang, then removed sid from my sources list in order not to add anymore sid stuff.. thats it |
| 14:23.43 | shahri | well I'm extracting it on that drive because I don't have enough space on my internal drive :P |
| 14:23.44 | superlinux | WormFood, that was the joke.. |
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| 14:24.04 | shahri | but ok, I'll search my stuff for some NTFS drive with enough space |
| 14:24.04 | ircda | is it possible to build debian from scratch? |
| 14:24.06 | shahri | thanks a lot |
| 14:24.42 | lindi- | ircda: sure |
| 14:24.49 | jpinx-eeepc | mh_: well apt-cache policy will tell you what you have installed |
| 14:24.52 | ircda | lindi-: complicated/ |
| 14:24.53 | ircda | *? |
| 14:24.55 | nsadmin | ircda: something had to build it for you to have it... so, I suppose so :) |
| 14:24.59 | jpinx-eeepc | mh_: I mean the version |
| 14:25.07 | WormFood | superlinux, if you think that is funny, read this http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Secured-Typing.aspx |
| 14:25.18 | lindi- | ircda: depends on what that means. i've done a few rebuilds |
| 14:25.56 | mh_ | jpinx-eeepc: yes, and i do have version 1.0.23, but still eventho i have this i dont have the right version of the alsa-driver.. its like there is something missing in the sid packages in order to get the latest version of alsa. |
| 14:25.58 | superlinux | WormFood, i did not tell you that the guy was an army high ranking officer |
| 14:26.02 | nsadmin | are you looking to rebuild all your packages? |
| 14:26.09 | WormFood | superlinux, back in the old DOS days, I had a customer come in, and written down in a piece of paper was "bad or missing hymen.sys"....I said it is wrong, it is "himem.sys", and he swore he copied it letter per letter off the screen |
| 14:26.35 | WormFood | I told him his computer wasn't a virgin anymore |
| 14:26.38 | superlinux | hehe |
| 14:26.51 | mdik | superlinux: so which army did he serve in? |
| 14:27.00 | jpinx-eeepc | mh_: did aptitude ask for aany depends when you installed ffrom sid? |
| 14:27.03 | superlinux | better not tell |
| 14:27.16 | gusnan | Will xserver-xorg-video-intel 2.10 or later be in Squeeze? 2.9 is in testing and unstable now. |
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| 14:27.43 | nsadmin | ask the maintainer |
| 14:28.09 | gusnan | nsadmin, ok, will do. Thanks. |
| 14:28.11 | mh_ | jpinx-eeepc: well it's quite some time since i upgraded.. but yes, aptitude always add the dependencies that it needs i guess.. so the answer is yes. what do you think about? |
| 14:28.32 | jpinx-eeepc | maybe do that install again? |
| 14:28.42 | superlinux | WormFood, i just said i'd rather save the image cos i was worried that netcat won't read multiple machine requests from the top |
| 14:28.49 | superlinux | let me check |
| 14:28.57 | jpinx-eeepc | mh_: if there have been some changes in the depends.. |
| 14:29.00 | dvs | gusnan: uh squeeze is testing |
| 14:29.15 | nsadmin | mh_ you probably have a mixed system at this point... very hard to maintain |
| 14:29.17 | superlinux | brb |
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| 14:33.53 | HackeMate | Wyzard: the fact is i cant access to my cd burner and i am unable to use brasero |
| 14:34.21 | mh_ | nsadmin: hmm.. well, i know it can be hard.. it just because that when i cat my /proc/asound/version, i get version 1.0.21, so i thought it would be just a matter of a single package to deliver the alsa-driver packages.. :/ |
| 14:34.32 | WormFood | so, back to my original question, does anyone know why grub is automatically booting my 3rd kernel (in the list), instead of waiting for the timeout (set to 90)? |
| 14:35.16 | mh_ | nsadmin: everything (libs, utils) is up to date.. but not the drivers.. so i hoped that someone could give me a hint of either which package that contain the alsa-driver package.. or maybe there was something missing in the debian repository.. like a bug |
| 14:35.33 | nsadmin | "up to date" meaning? |
| 14:35.47 | mh_ | nsadmin: i have the latest version from the alsa-project |
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| 14:35.51 | mh_ | which is 1.0.23 |
| 14:35.53 | mh_ | sorry |
| 14:35.56 | Lantizia | when performing an "apt-get source packagename" ... whats the command (that dpkg-dev is needed for) that is performed after downloading that merges it all together? |
| 14:35.57 | nsadmin | oic |
| 14:36.25 | nsadmin | and you did this by upgrading your kernel? |
| 14:36.40 | jpinx-eeepc | mh_: your mixed system is biting you in the bum ;) |
| 14:37.02 | mh_ | nsadmin: and i have been googling for hours.. and talked a lot with some guys in the #alsa channel.. and im pretty sure if i can get the latest driver.. i will be able to use my soundcard propperly |
| 14:37.28 | nsadmin | but that' |
| 14:37.33 | nsadmin | s not the case now? |
| 14:37.39 | mh_ | nsadmin: ermn, i havent talked about upgrading the kernel.. i have the latest testing kernel.. 2.6.32-5 |
| 14:38.01 | mh_ | nsadmin: sorry i didnt get that? |
| 14:38.03 | nsadmin | are the alsa drivers separate from the kernel somehow? |
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| 14:38.54 | mh_ | nsadmin: i really dont know.. i hope that someone can help me where in the debian repository the alsa-drivers is located.. i can see that ubuntu ship a packages called alsa-drivers with their distro.. but in debian i dont really get where the drivers is located.. |
| 14:39.05 | dvs | mh_: the alsa drivers are in the kernel so it's the kernel package that needs to be updated |
| 14:39.08 | nsadmin | I thought they were in the kernel |
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| 14:39.14 | mh_ | dvs: cool.. thanks a lot |
| 14:39.19 | dvs | np |
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| 14:40.51 | jpinx-eeepc | I thought you already had the latest kernel mh_ ? |
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| 14:41.06 | jhutchins_lt | I thought there was a 33 available somewhere. |
| 14:41.08 | mh_ | jpinx-eeepc: yes which does not provide the latest drivers.. |
| 14:41.17 | nsadmin | and, installing stuff from sid is going to continue biting you in various ways... as long as you're ok with dealing with that, more power to you... but sheesh, that's a difficult path, not just for you (as you have seen) but also for anyone who might help you |
| 14:41.19 | dvs | jpinx-eeepc: but even the latest kernel may not have the latest alsa drivers |
| 14:41.32 | mh_ | jpinx-eeepc: so that pretty much end of story, the latest kernel does not provide the modules that i need.. i will have to compile it for myself |
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| 14:41.55 | mh_ | jpinx-eeepc: so the thing about biting my in the bum is not really right.. it just a matter of missing software |
| 14:41.59 | jpinx-eeepc | mh_: more power to you dude ! |
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| 14:44.08 | flo` | hi |
| 14:44.30 | nsadmin | mh_, no, it is right: as long as there are sid packages, your dependency tree has branches which are from sid, and when you try to use your package tools, those branches will affect what happens |
| 14:44.37 | flo` | after a kernel upgrade from 2.6.26 to 2.6.32-bpo, 3d is broken |
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| 14:44.59 | flo` | glxinfo hasn't changed its output, but glxgears is displaysing a black window with flickering gears in it |
| 14:45.06 | flo` | what's wrong there? |
| 14:45.18 | flo` | i'm using a radeon mobility m6 ly with the radeon driver |
| 14:45.30 | jhutchins_lt | Actually, the only alsa modules I see under the kernel are crypto and video related. |
| 14:45.35 | nsadmin | what frame rate does glxgears report |
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| 14:47.23 | flo` | nsadmin, 486 FPS on kernel 2.6.32 |
| 14:47.35 | mh_ | nsadmin: i know it can break things when i mess up with the system.. but i really has nothing with my problem to do.. i just wanted to know where the alsa-drivers was located, no help about updating :) but thanks for all the info afterall |
| 14:47.36 | flo` | on 2.6.26 (where it worked) they were slightly less (420 or so) |
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| 14:49.08 | nsadmin | so you must have restarted your system after installing... yes? |
| 14:49.34 | djura-san | im off. bais |
| 14:49.44 | nsadmin | have you looked at your x log? |
| 14:49.47 | flo` | nsadmin, of course oO |
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| 14:50.32 | flo` | i'm looking at the log right now |
| 14:51.46 | flo` | (II) RADEON(0): [dri] Found DRI library version 1.3.0 and kernel module version 1.33.0 |
| 14:51.46 | flo` | (==) RADEON(0): Page Flipping disabled |
| 14:51.51 | flo` | does that tell something? |
| 14:52.13 | nsadmin | maybe |
| 14:52.37 | flo` | (WW) RADEON(0): DRI init changed memory map, adjusting ... |
| 14:52.37 | mh_ | dvs: ahh module-assistant , and installed the module.. and now my sound card works perfect again.. thanks a lot for the info |
| 14:52.41 | flo` | is that important? |
| 14:52.54 | dvs | mh_: no prob |
| 14:53.03 | jhutchins_lt | Ah, n'mind, there they are, /lib/modules/2.6.26-2-686/kernel/sound/pci/ |
| 14:53.04 | nsadmin | but I have to ask... why using the later kernel when the earlier one works? |
| 14:53.05 | flo` | aah:(WW) AIGLX: 3D driver claims to not support visual 0x23 |
| 14:53.11 | flo` | and 0x24, 0x25 ... 0x32 |
| 14:53.25 | jhutchins_lt | mh_: So track down your hardware and compile the module. |
| 14:53.38 | jhutchins_lt | mh_: Ah, I see you did. |
| 14:54.22 | mh_ | jhutchins_lt: again, has nothing with the first question to do.. but the answer would be the same.. i was wondering where the alsa-driver was located. |
| 14:54.48 | jhutchins_lt | yeah, I tracked it down, /lib/modules/2.6.26-2-686/kernel/sound/pci/ |
| 14:55.05 | flo` | nsadmin, that seems to be the only real error message... but let my try it with the working kernel. |
| 14:55.05 | dvs | which is in the kernel |
| 14:55.11 | jhutchins_lt | mh_: Although some components are part of alsa-base, the hardware drivers are kernel. |
| 14:55.12 | mh_ | dvs: yes :) |
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| 14:55.26 | jhutchins_lt | mh_: Which I am just catching up on. Time for more coffee. |
| 14:55.52 | nsadmin | flo`, so, why run the later kernel? is there a separate issue that it corrects? |
| 14:56.17 | mh_ | jhutchins_lt: i know by now.. i was just pissed why my cowerkers with ubuntu could use their new soundcard, but not me.. thats because they have a packages for that.. alsa-driver, but here i had to search in the kernel.. so i was confused where to look for things |
| 14:56.20 | flo` | nsadmin, yes. it supports my CF card |
| 14:56.42 | flo` | nsadmin, and, some time it will be too old and i will _have_ to upgrade |
| 14:56.55 | flo` | restarting X... |
| 14:58.04 | jhutchins_lt | mh_: I need to tweak my locate script so it _does_ search/lib/modules/2.6.26-2-686/kernel/ but does NOT search my remote mounts. |
| 14:58.31 | jhutchins_lt | So many times life would have been much simpler if the kernel drivers were indexed in locate. |
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| 15:00.37 | flo` | nsadmin, i tried with the working kernel: these strange warnings are also there |
| 15:01.11 | nsadmin | I notice you said you're restarting X... could you show uname -r? |
| 15:02.15 | jhutchins_lt | flo` Kernels don't get old and stop working. As long as your hardware continues to work the only need to upgrade kernels is for security updates. |
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| 15:02.44 | flo` | jhutchins, yes. and some time it will get unsupported, right? |
| 15:02.47 | HackeMate | please some clue because i cant burn cds? any of burners cant find the dvd device and as root also doesnt works, my user is in cdrom group, is my burner broken? it appears in lshw |
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| 15:03.24 | flo` | the logs don't differ. except for some different memory locations |
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| 15:04.15 | flo` | nsadmin, the working kernel: 2.6.26-2-686 |
| 15:04.24 | flo` | nsadmin, the not working one: 2.6.34-VANILLA |
| 15:04.32 | flo` | and also: 2.6.32-bpo |
| 15:04.57 | nsadmin | and your uname -r says? |
| 15:05.20 | flo` | this is my uname -r |
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| 15:05.48 | nsadmin | so, when you run uname -r now, it says exactly what at this moment? |
| 15:05.59 | flo` | the first is the exact output of uname -r. the second is the output it would give if thjat kernel was loaded. and the third isn't exact uname -r |
| 15:06.16 | flo` | nsadmin, i'm currently in the "working" kernel. now uname -r says 2.6.26-2-686 |
| 15:06.28 | nsadmin | got it... so you're running the .26 |
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| 15:11.47 | nsadmin | flo`: ok, does it still talk about differing drivers in the log? |
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| 15:12.13 | flo` | "differing drivers"? "still"? it never has, and no |
| 15:12.51 | dutchfish | hi, after the latest updates in squeeze i am no longer able to graphical login. Running kde4 with kdm. 2.6.32-5. Any hints? |
| 15:13.42 | nsadmin | what were the results of your research into the bts before you installed? |
| 15:13.54 | abrotman | dutchfish: kdm has a log doesn't it ? |
| 15:13.59 | abrotman | and/or KDE |
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| 15:15.55 | dutchfish | abrotman: no errors in kdm.log except for font settings |
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| 15:16.42 | dutchfish | abrotman: X does start, and i get to graphical login, but i return back after providing login credentials back to it after a 2 seconds black screen. |
| 15:17.08 | flo` | nsadmin, no clue why glxgears is behaving strangely :( ? |
| 15:17.11 | dutchfish | abrotman: bts contains no bugs for the packages that where upgraded |
| 15:17.23 | nsadmin | flo`, not really |
| 15:17.26 | Sia- | i fount the debian developer list ist around 1599 developer, is that true or any list for developers? https://db.debian.org/search.cgi |
| 15:17.30 | flo` | :( |
| 15:17.38 | flo` | then, maybe another way to solve my problem: |
| 15:17.58 | abrotman | dutchfish: look in $HOME for an error log |
| 15:18.02 | flo` | how can i make my lenny system with kernel 2.6.26 work with my pcmcia-CF-card-adaptor? |
| 15:18.10 | abrotman | Sia-: found the what to be what ? |
| 15:18.23 | flo` | when i insert it, the system crashes after a minute or so |
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| 15:18.33 | Sia- | abrotman, i need the full list from debian developer |
| 15:18.35 | flo` | the .32 and .34 kernels work perfectly well |
| 15:18.41 | abrotman | Sia-: what the fuck for? |
| 15:18.42 | nsadmin | Sia-: why? |
| 15:18.52 | nsadmin | in detail too |
| 15:18.53 | flo` | another laptop with a identical installation, but different hardware also works with that card |
| 15:18.57 | flo` | what's the problem there oO? |
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| 15:19.52 | nsadmin | Sia-, you don't have full access to the db if you have not been granted such. HTH, HAND |
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| 15:20.15 | abrotman | Sia-: ? |
| 15:20.20 | Sia- | abrotman, let the FF*** words, i can use it too. nsadmin is dicussion in some forum about the debian project and somebody said" they are 300 active developer" i want to see the list, because i thing they are much more |
| 15:20.32 | abrotman | !dstats sid |
| 15:20.46 | abrotman | Sia-: but active and registered are not the same |
| 15:21.15 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on sid... 29674 packages, 2155 maintainers, 96789 MB installed size, 35999 MB compressed size. |
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| 15:22.08 | Sia- | yes but he said that just 500 developer and 300 are active. just i'll check it out because the are talking about debian is hobby system just for desktop. and i need more facts again them :) |
| 15:22.12 | abrotman | Sia-: a better measure might be how many voted in the last DPL election |
| 15:22.22 | dutchfish | abrotman: any hint what i should look for in ~/ ? |
| 15:22.23 | abrotman | debian is a hobby? for the desktop? |
| 15:22.30 | abrotman | thinks Sia- is just a troll now |
| 15:23.03 | abrotman | dutchfish: with GDM it's uhm .gnome-errors or .xsession-errors .. no clue what KDE would use, or if they even log anything |
| 15:23.10 | dvs | Sia-: who's "they"? |
| 15:23.12 | nsadmin | "he"? "they"? |
| 15:23.16 | Sia- | abrotman, i dont say that. i'm fighting for debian for ever :) |
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| 15:23.59 | nsadmin | Sia-, you don't need to. in fact, if you do it could have consequences you didn't intend... |
| 15:24.02 | abrotman | Sia-: no need to msg me |
| 15:24.06 | abrotman | http://www.rootforum.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=139&t=51268&p=317677#p317674 |
| 15:24.10 | abrotman | is what he's talking about |
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| 15:24.24 | abrotman | Sephora: do you need help ? |
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| 15:24.38 | Sia- | ok, i'm just asking about the numbers of developers |
| 15:24.38 | abrotman | msg me |
| 15:24.43 | abrotman | hrm |
| 15:24.54 | Sia- | ok then thnx |
| 15:24.57 | abrotman | no need to msg me |
| 15:24.58 | nsadmin | Sia-, specifically... |
| 15:25.04 | abrotman | oh well |
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| 15:26.02 | nsadmin | if you get someone to switch to debian and they know you will "fight" to keep them on it, they could string you along with requests that you support them |
| 15:26.06 | nsadmin | so |
| 15:26.07 | king_lec | Hi Guys, I don't know if this is the right place to ask, but |
| 15:26.19 | dvs | no |
| 15:26.24 | dvs | ;-) |
| 15:26.27 | nsadmin | I -always- make sure it's their choice, and I -never- advocate |
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| 15:27.04 | nsadmin | it's not the right place to ask to see if you can ask :) |
| 15:27.28 | king_lec | I'm trying to gem rmagick but it keeps saying I have a low version. When I do |
| 15:27.56 | king_lec | convert --version |
| 15:27.56 | king_lec | Version: ImageMagick 6.6.0-4 2010-03-17 Q16 http://www.imagemagick.org but when Magick-config --version |
| 15:27.56 | king_lec | 6.3.7 Q16 |
| 15:27.59 | Sia- | nsadmin, i can accept it very well, if somebody say "i use fedora...etc and i'm happy...." but if they start to blaming all other distro's, then is no more freedom :) fighting |
| 15:28.37 | king_lec | Ehe. xD |
| 15:28.54 | abrotman | Sia-: i read the 'translated' version .. a pile of idiots |
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| 15:29.43 | Sia- | XD |
| 15:29.48 | abrotman | Sia-: they actually are wrong |
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| 15:30.08 | nsadmin | Sia-, I see, so when they "blame" then you feel something that causes you to respond |
| 15:31.19 | abrotman | Sia-: you should probably stop using that forum |
| 15:31.56 | flo` | how can i use the libata drivers with debian lenny and the 2.6.26 kernel? |
| 15:31.57 | Sia- | nsadmin, i send no more post, because is like discussion between a atheist and full religious guy |
| 15:32.27 | flo` | i'd like to be able to still use debian's modules, only i want the libata driver instead of the "old" one |
| 15:32.36 | nsadmin | Sia-, very perceptive. it's a religious discussion |
| 15:33.23 | nsadmin | and both the atheist and the full religious guy have ways to trigger them |
| 15:33.34 | Sia- | abrotman, i learn something in that forum, but in this case i think they are wrong |
| 15:34.32 | Sia- | :) ok thnx guys |
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| 15:37.12 | nsadmin | Sia-, it's possible you would benefit if you worked on removing the ways you can be triggered... the first thing you do is notice when you get triggered |
| 15:37.55 | o_portista17 | hello, i need some help here please, im trying to download a normal cd to install debian, but all ftp's have like 30cds...dont know what to download... http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/i386/iso-cd/ |
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| 15:38.41 | Sia- | o_portista17, http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/i386/iso-cd/debian-504-i386-CD-1.iso this one for example , burn it and boot |
| 15:38.55 | o_portista17 | all cd's are the same? |
| 15:39.01 | Sia- | no |
| 15:39.06 | abrotman | Sia-: FWIW .. do not confuse DDs with active contributers .. Many people that contribute packages and patches are not DDs |
| 15:39.11 | Sia- | gnome, kde, xfce ..etc |
| 15:39.21 | abrotman | o_portista17: get the netinst if you have broadband .. |
| 15:39.34 | o_portista17 | ok, and cd1 comes with gnome by default, right? |
| 15:40.01 | Sia- | o_portista17, and this can be very helpfull http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual |
| 15:40.05 | abrotman | !netinst |
| 15:40.05 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, netinst is a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ See also <check iso image>, <dialup install>, <usb install>, <installer>. |
| 15:40.16 | o_portista17 | ok, tks for the help |
| 15:40.28 | Sia- | u'r welcome |
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| 15:40.47 | nessi_ | hi |
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| 15:43.09 | nessi_ | I am getting this error when I run apt-get upgrade http://paste.debian.net/77264/ I've already tried to install initscripts with -f, also with dpkg force-all. but still cant get further. did anybody seen this before? |
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| 15:44.10 | nsadmin | what is initscripts for? I thought each daemon package would provide (or generate) its own init script |
| 15:44.11 | HermanDE | nessi_, What are you trying to install? |
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| 15:44.23 | flo` | hi |
| 15:44.27 | abrotman | i think that's in the bts |
| 15:44.34 | flo` | i'd like to use the libata drivers with the standard lenny kernel (2.6.26) |
| 15:44.37 | flo` | is that possible? |
| 15:44.52 | HermanDE | nsadmin, Take a look at the initscript.... |
| 15:45.02 | abrotman | nsadmin: are you getting random msgs from Sephora ? |
| 15:45.08 | flo` | i just tried removing the whole ide subdirectory but now it doesn't recognize my harddisk at all. even if i load the libata drivers manually |
| 15:45.25 | nsadmin | abrotman, no, Sephora seems to leave me alone |
| 15:45.53 | dvs | abrotman: I am |
| 15:46.00 | nsadmin | HermanDE: is debian trying to move toward dependency-based init scripts? |
| 15:46.05 | HermanDE | nsadmin, Take a look at /var/lib/dpkg/info/(packagename).postinst |
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| 15:46.21 | nessi_ | HermanDE: this is what I do http://paste.debian.net/77265/ |
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| 15:46.52 | abrotman | dvs: the first one i thought wsa a mistake |
| 15:47.29 | HermanDE | nessi_, Every package has a script to run post inst.... It may call initscripts.... It looks like you are doing a dist update..... |
| 15:47.30 | dvs | abrotman: Yeah, he seems to be up to something so I didn't reply at all. |
| 15:47.36 | nsadmin | hmm, I seem to have initscripts |
| 15:48.20 | dutchfish | abrotman: the only weird thing i can find is ~/.xsession-errors permission denied. Creating a new user and login as such, gives the same result, so i very much doubt this has anything to do with user settings. |
| 15:48.25 | nessi_ | HermanDE: I did a dist update already long time ago. I havent touched this system for a while so I just logged on and tried to get current with update&upgrade and I got a hell bunch of packets which I downloaded and than I got that error |
| 15:48.59 | abrotman | dutchfish: i didn't suggest it did .. i just wondered if it was logging somewhere .. but you're not the only person to complain about KDE not working on squeeze .. there was another guyt on OFTC earlier .. try another DE/WM |
| 15:49.33 | dutchfish | abrotman: in brand new users home, nothing else then the error in .xsession-errors, thats all |
| 15:49.50 | HermanDE | nessi_, I'll assume that this is/was Lenny.... Check the file I recommended..... It may point to the cause of the error.... |
| 15:49.54 | abrotman | dutchfish: try another DE/WM |
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| 15:50.10 | nsadmin | so the initscripts that initscripts manages have to do with system-level stuff |
| 15:50.23 | dutchfish | abrotman: no |
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| 15:50.37 | nessi_ | HermanDE: sorry which file do you recommend? |
| 15:50.38 | HermanDE | nsadmin, I would worry less about the why before looking at the postinst script.... |
| 15:50.49 | nsadmin | I just did |
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| 15:51.03 | HermanDE | nessi_, /var/lib/dpkg/info/(packagename).postinst |
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| 15:51.16 | nessi_ | HermanDE: thanks! I'll check |
| 15:51.16 | nsadmin | but "why" was my original question about it |
| 15:51.45 | HermanDE | nsadmin, having fun mixing names... :) |
| 15:52.06 | dutchfish | abrotman: oh wait, i just have a phonecall from friend, with gnome/gdm with the same error |
| 15:52.09 | HermanDE | nsadmin, I'm not too sure about the initscript question.... |
| 15:52.53 | mdik | hi. can iceweasel 3.5.9-3 play webM videos in html5? |
| 15:52.54 | abrotman | dutchfish: i have gnome/gdm .. no such error |
| 15:52.55 | dutchfish | abrotman: fyi, console login works |
| 15:53.02 | abrotman | and i'm using squeeze |
| 15:53.20 | dutchfish | abrotman: squeeze/x86_64 ? |
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| 15:53.35 | abrotman | no .. why would i use a 64bit OS on a 64bit CPU .. that's crazy talk |
| 15:53.41 | nsadmin | the question was essentially... if daemon packages install their own init script, then why is initscripts necessary... and the answer seems to be, because initscripts initialize the whole /etc/init.d and rc.d system |
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| 15:54.19 | dutchfish | abrotman: ? |
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| 15:54.27 | HermanDE | nsadmin, I'll go with that... |
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| 15:55.29 | dutchfish | abrotman: are you suggesting this oculd be related to running on 64bit? |
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| 15:56.23 | dutchfish | abrotman: thanks so far, i figure it out in the end. |
| 15:56.25 | nsadmin | no, he's just ranting on about crazy talk :) |
| 15:56.33 | craigevil | dutchfish: what happens if you restart kdm or start it manually /etc/init.d/kdm start |
| 15:56.36 | abrotman | dutchfish: no idea, not having the issue here |
| 15:56.49 | dutchfish | craigevil: good tip, hold on |
| 15:57.35 | craigevil | there was a bug where kdm would fail to start because of an incompatible theme but that was a while back |
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| 15:58.58 | dutchfish | craigevil: no change on restarting kdm |
| 15:59.10 | dutchfish | craigevil: yes, i rem that one |
| 15:59.26 | dutchfish | craigevil: it looks exactly like that tho |
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| 16:00.10 | dutchfish | craigevil: any hint on wich logfile i could check that? |
| 16:00.56 | flo` | hello |
| 16:01.05 | flo` | i have a problem with a pcmcia-CF-adaptor |
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| 16:01.15 | craigevil | dutchfish: other than the kdm log no idea, in the sidux forum the fix seems to be to purge then reinstall kdm |
| 16:01.28 | flo` | using kernel 2.6.26, inserting that card causes my system to crash after a while |
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| 16:01.35 | flo` | using kernel 2.6.32 it works. |
| 16:01.38 | dutchfish | craigevil: mm... i could try that |
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| 16:01.43 | flo` | how can i make it work under 2.6.26? |
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| 16:04.59 | dutchfish | craigevil: no, didnt work either, but thanks so far for the help |
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| 16:05.23 | flo` | i'm getting "lost interrupts" |
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| 16:09.55 | jhutchins_lt | flo`: Why do you want to use .26? |
| 16:10.34 | flo` | because .32 and .34 have too many other bugs: |
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| 16:10.52 | jhutchins_lt | flo`: Like what? |
| 16:10.53 | flo` | s2ram doesn't work, 3d graphics doesn't work, my wlan led doesn't work |
| 16:10.54 | nsadmin | .32 gives a problem with his 3d display |
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| 16:11.09 | nsadmin | oh, more than just that |
| 16:11.20 | flo` | https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16190 https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16191 https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16192 |
| 16:11.38 | flo` | that are the bugs i'm experiencing |
| 16:11.56 | jhutchins_lt | flo`: So backport the CF driver to .26 |
| 16:12.28 | flo` | jhutchins, how? |
| 16:12.40 | flo` | i am absolutely unexperienced with kernel hacking |
| 16:12.43 | jhutchins_lt | flo`: Possibly using module assistant or just the standard procedure for compiling a module from source. |
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| 16:13.19 | jhutchins_lt | !tell flo`about module-assistant |
| 16:13.36 | flo` | jhutchins_lt, you mean, simply replacing the "old" source with the "new" source and hope that it compiles? |
| 16:13.42 | User_007 | hello, i have a doubt, I use Squeeze AMD64, and i needed to download a 32bit firefox in order to use last flash. But it happens: http://i49.tinypic.com/4smq2v.jpg |
| 16:13.58 | User_007 | Does anyone know what is happening? Thank you |
| 16:14.13 | jhutchins_lt | !module-assistant |
| 16:14.13 | dpkg | methinks module-assistant is a tool helping to build additional (kernel) module packages and install them. "aptitude install module-assistant". See usage examples at http://wiki.debian.org/ModuleAssistant . Log files from successful (and unsuccessful!) builds can be found in /var/cache/modass/ |
| 16:14.43 | nsadmin | flo`: that would be the first step of a real backport... and if it works, no additional work would be needed (which would typically involve finding and correcting compiler errors in the code) |
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| 16:15.59 | User_007 | Iceweasel get a better appearence than firefox. Why? |
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| 16:16.24 | nsadmin | because you like it more? |
| 16:16.25 | jhutchins_lt | User_007: I can't see much difference. |
| 16:17.39 | User_007 | jhutchins_lt, icons on firefox are square and iceweasel's are round and colorful |
| 16:17.47 | User_007 | look where the mouse is. |
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| 16:18.38 | PeterNL | Hi, how do I install fglrx 10.4 (not 10.5) in debian testing? |
| 16:19.14 | User_007 | PeterNL, download from ATI website, and then install. |
| 16:19.38 | PeterNL | ati's own packages don't support testing, and it doesn't work |
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| 16:19.51 | PeterNL | command output coming... |
| 16:19.56 | valdyn | User_007: thats because your firefox on the left does not seem to use your gnome theme |
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| 16:20.32 | User_007 | valdyn, how can i make it use the gnome theme? |
| 16:20.50 | dvs | Well, it looks like KDE 4.4.4 is pooched in squeeze. |
| 16:20.55 | valdyn | User_007: just use debians iceweasel |
| 16:21.45 | User_007 | valdyn, as i said i need using the 32 bit browser in order to get flash working. i use iceweasel too |
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| 16:21.55 | valdyn | User_007: ia32-libs contains the 32-bit gtk stuff, but not all theme engines, if any |
| 16:21.59 | dalias | user_007, both are hideously ugly compared to chrome/chromium :) |
| 16:22.04 | dalias | not to mention hideously slow |
| 16:22.13 | valdyn | User_007: the one you are using is not contained |
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| 16:22.30 | valdyn | i found chrome ugly |
| 16:22.35 | Zambezi | Sephora: Don't PM like that. |
| 16:23.06 | PeterNL | User_007: http://pastebin.com/sCEPgHm5 |
| 16:23.11 | craigevil | dalias: chrome is not faster than firefox at least it isnt here using the dev build of chrome and firefox 3.6.4 |
| 16:23.56 | PeterNL | chrome and opera are definately faster that firefox in any benchmark I've ever seen |
| 16:24.11 | PeterNL | That's the output of ./ati-driver-installer-10-4-x86.x86_64.run --buildpkg Debian/testing |
| 16:24.57 | PeterNL | --buildpkg Debian/anything-else has similar results |
| 16:25.04 | valdyn | !start a browser war |
| 16:25.05 | dpkg | IE is cooler than telnet hostname 80! |
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| 16:25.40 | PeterNL | That's true, but anything else is cooler than IE and telnet multiplied |
| 16:25.43 | nsadmin | !start a bowser war |
| 16:25.47 | dalias | craigevil, gimme some of whatever youre smoking |
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| 16:26.02 | dalias | depending on the task, chrome is a good 5-10 TIMES faster |
| 16:26.03 | PeterNL | is Opera fan |
| 16:26.04 | PeterNL | shuts up about web browsers by now |
| 16:26.24 | nsadmin | likes Operaman... |
| 16:26.51 | dalias | basic page rendering, scrolling, load time responsiveness are on the low end of that factor |
| 16:26.58 | craigevil | dalias: not here running sid, not to mention chrome eats ram like a fat kid in a candy store eats candy |
| 16:27.00 | dalias | js/ajax performance is on the high end |
| 16:27.14 | PeterNL | nsadmin: Operaman? not `man opera`? |
| 16:27.16 | dalias | huh? |
| 16:27.22 | dalias | it also uses less memory |
| 16:27.37 | nsadmin | PeterNL: Adam Sandler |
| 16:27.45 | dalias | unless you constantly restart firefox/iceweasel, since they leak mem like crazy up to 500-2000 mb after a day or so... |
| 16:27.59 | valdyn | can you please stop this nonsense |
| 16:28.16 | dalias | sorry ff fanboys who are in denial about how much it sucks piss me off |
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| 16:28.46 | PeterNL | Please, discussion about webbrowsers has nothing to do with debian, come on! |
| 16:28.47 | nsadmin | dalias: ahh. so you're someone else who gets triggered |
| 16:29.00 | mdik | oh, while we're at it: can iceweasel 3.5.9-3 play webM videos in html5? |
| 16:29.16 | mdik | or what browser in debian can? |
| 16:29.16 | craigevil | dalias: 85.9 MiB + 3.7 MiB = 89.6 MiBfirefox-bin thats with 6 tabs open and playing lastfm, after being open for the last 4 days |
| 16:29.20 | dalias | i'm not crazy chrome fanboy, i just consider it a baseline of non-suckiness for a browser |
| 16:29.24 | valdyn | mdik: there's webM builds, but not in debian |
| 16:29.41 | valdyn | mdik: same for chrome, theres webM builds, but iirc not stable chrome |
| 16:29.51 | nsadmin | does chrome run under linux? |
| 16:29.57 | PeterNL | mdik: some Opera builds can, and the rest might (should) follow in the very near future |
| 16:30.00 | dalias | yes of course |
| 16:30.09 | lindi- | mdik: i think iceweasel in unstable can launch an external player for those at least |
| 16:30.12 | craigevil | mdik: no but epiphany, uzbl and opera can if you have the gstreamer plugis -ugly and -bad |
| 16:30.12 | dalias | otherwise it would be even more off-topic here than we've already gotten :) |
| 16:30.22 | valdyn | nsadmin: to some extent, its still incomplete ( like you cant change fonts ) |
| 16:30.29 | mdik | valdyn: do you know if there are external repositories i coulkd use? |
| 16:30.40 | dalias | valdyn, can't change fonts? huh? |
| 16:30.50 | nsadmin | so chrome is at least potentially on topic :) |
| 16:30.59 | lindi- | chromium-browser maybe? |
| 16:31.03 | dalias | all the font features including 'web fonts' (css font-face) seem to work fine |
| 16:31.10 | lindi- | (as chrome isn't in debian) |
| 16:31.16 | dalias | lindi-, :) |
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| 16:31.31 | craigevil | mdik: there is a chrome repo from google http://www.google.com/linuxrepositories/apt.html , chromium-browser is in unstable in the normal debian repos |
| 16:31.40 | PeterNL | Are there fglrx 10.4 (not 10.5) debs for debian testing somewhere? 10.5 has problems and ati's own installer has problems as well. |
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| 16:32.13 | mdik | cool. will look into uzbl :) |
| 16:32.14 | lindi- | dalias: do you know if there are any recommended debugging strategies nowadays? there used to be some --no-sandbox |
| 16:32.15 | dalias | btw |
| 16:32.30 | lindi- | dalias: not sure what to do about this chromium-browser crash bug http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=584946 |
| 16:32.40 | dalias | anyone know if chromium-browser package will use the ffmpeg libs from debian-multimedia repo, if they're available? |
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| 16:32.49 | dalias | if so, then it should have full html5 video support |
| 16:32.59 | lindi- | dalias: what do you need from debian-multimedia? |
| 16:33.02 | sfvsfgfgvbd | c |
| 16:33.08 | flo` | is it possible with module-assistant to re-build the ide_cs module? |
| 16:33.21 | dalias | lindi-, non-crippled ffmpeg libs |
| 16:33.30 | lindi- | dalias: but which part specifically? |
| 16:33.32 | flo` | or can it only used to recompile modules that aren't in the "normal" linux-image package yet? |
| 16:33.35 | mdik | isnt chromium just pure evil? |
| 16:33.42 | dalias | h264, etc |
| 16:33.47 | lindi- | dalias: h264 is in debian |
| 16:33.49 | valdyn | flo`: what'S the point of it? |
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| 16:33.53 | lindi- | dalias: and has been for ages |
| 16:34.07 | flo` | valdyn, 2.6.26 has a buggy driver. i'd like to recompile that particular driver. and only this |
| 16:34.09 | dalias | the ffmpeg in main debian has h264 decoder enabled? |
| 16:34.14 | lindi- | dalias: yes |
| 16:34.14 | dalias | it didn't last i checked |
| 16:34.19 | lindi- | dalias: i don't use non-free software |
| 16:34.21 | dalias | and it's missing virtually all the encoders |
| 16:34.29 | flo` | because i'd like to be able to still use the module-packages, for example for webcams etc |
| 16:34.32 | dalias | lindi-, huh? how is this related to non-free software? |
| 16:34.33 | lindi- | dalias: of course encoders are different thing, but that's not html5 stuff |
| 16:34.44 | dalias | nothing about debian-multimedia package is nonfree |
| 16:34.46 | PeterNL | dalias: AFAIK x264 is free |
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| 16:35.03 | lindi- | dalias: well if I can't sell those without getting sued it's pretty restrictive |
| 16:35.11 | nsadmin | then why is it in debian-multimedia :) |
| 16:35.19 | dalias | lindi-, sucks to live in a jurisdiction with lame laws |
| 16:35.20 | valdyn | some h.264 stuff is patent encumbered, so its not free and its not even distributable |
| 16:35.26 | AimHere | a lot of debian-multimedia is dubious legally due to patent restrictions and the like |
| 16:35.27 | valdyn | ( by debian ) |
| 16:35.32 | mdik | lindi-: are any extra-packages to install to get iceweasel(unstable) to play html5-video? cause i entered the html5-trial in youtube and it didnt work |
| 16:35.39 | dalias | does that mean a package that includes a cartoon of mohammud is also non-free? :) |
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| 16:36.05 | lindi- | mdik: iceweasel in unstable plays html5 video but does only theora |
| 16:36.18 | nsadmin | such a cartoon could get you killed... and maybe everyone in proximity of you too |
| 16:36.23 | lindi- | mdik: youtube is is not using theora |
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| 16:36.26 | craigevil | mdik: iceweasel will not play it period, there is a dev preview of firefox that will |
| 16:36.28 | mdik | yeah. ok. im talking webm right now, lindi- |
| 16:36.38 | nsadmin | maybe it's not non-free... but it's encumbered :) |
| 16:36.41 | flo` | is it possible with module-assistant to re-build the ide_cs module? |
| 16:36.45 | dalias | nsadmin, :) |
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| 16:37.08 | dalias | the point being, certain countries bogus enforcement of patent law doesn't make h264 non-free |
| 16:37.19 | dalias | it makes those countries non-free :) |
| 16:37.25 | mdik | ok, easy craigevil, im just refering to "lindi-: mdik: i think iceweasel in unstable can launch an external player for those at least" |
| 16:37.25 | lindi- | dalias: that'd be very non-free indeed :) |
| 16:37.34 | PeterNL | Are there fglrx 10.4 (not 10.5) debs for debian testing somewhere? 10.5 has problems and ati's own installer has problems as well. The 10.4 that was in the repo last month worked great. I don't have that in my cache anymore. |
| 16:37.37 | lindi- | mdik: but youtube won't let you use that |
| 16:37.54 | lindi- | mdik: they detect if you have "supported browser" and only show the <video> element if you do |
| 16:38.00 | craigevil | mdik: take a look at http://www.webmproject.org/users/ |
| 16:38.03 | mdik | ok. then i'll see what this uzbl can do for me |
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| 16:38.13 | mdik | ok |
| 16:38.16 | lindi- | mdik: but there are iceweasel extensions that get past that |
| 16:38.24 | dalias | lindi-, yay for user-agent spoofing :) |
| 16:38.26 | mdik | thanks a lot |
| 16:38.43 | lindi- | dalias: it's more than user-agent i think |
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| 16:39.21 | flo` | is it possible with module-assistant to re-build the ide_cs module? _PLEASE_ answer me ;( |
| 16:39.29 | nsadmin | dalias: debian legal would make decisions on whether it would be a good idea for debian to distribute something, it communicates these decisions and then others perhaps treat it as an advisory |
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| 16:39.46 | mdik | i mean, where are the days, when javascript didnt perform well and nobody used it. they were blessed ;) |
| 16:40.14 | lindi- | mdik: heh yeah. now web seems to have become a platform for running non-free apps remotely |
| 16:40.17 | nsadmin | javascript actually has very cool features |
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| 16:41.09 | mdik | nsadmin: there's like an unfermented piece of corn between all this... |
| 16:41.14 | nsadmin | mdik: for example, jquery and yui |
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| 16:41.40 | dalias | at least with non-free web apps, i don't have to give untrusted probably-malicious code acess to all my personal data just to use it for a limited task |
| 16:41.42 | mdik | nsadmin: but those are frameworks, aren't they? |
| 16:41.43 | nsadmin | but there are non-web uses as well |
| 16:41.48 | nsadmin | yes they are |
| 16:41.53 | craigevil | mdik: unfortunately iceweasel is about the only browser in debian that won't play html5, midori, uzbl, epiphany, chrome, opera all will, and only the newer firefox dev builds work |
| 16:41.53 | dalias | so it's a much lesser evil than traditional proprietaery software |
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| 16:42.13 | dalias | heh |
| 16:42.30 | lindi- | craigevil: you mean webm now? |
| 16:42.36 | dalias | browsers need to drop their stupid religious wars about codecs |
| 16:42.40 | nsadmin | javascript itself implements closures and is the only language having them and lambda-like features to make it into the mainstream |
| 16:42.42 | dalias | and start using ffmpeg |
| 16:42.48 | dalias | and play ANY format that's supported |
| 16:42.57 | nsadmin | lisp/scheme didn't make it :) |
| 16:43.18 | mdik | ok. im really standing on thin ice while flaming against JS, but my point against it, is, that is just badly designed and you could do stuff like jQuery in every other language ten times more easily :D |
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| 16:43.34 | PeterNL | Are there fglrx 10.4 (not 10.5) debs for debian testing somewhere? 10.5 has problems and ati's own installer has problems as well. The free drivers don't give me the performance I'm looking for. The 10.4 that was in the repo last month worked great. I don't have that in my cache anymore. |
| 16:43.51 | mdik | craigevil: cool. i didnt want to use iceweasel in the first place |
| 16:44.09 | dalias | mdik, i've never coded in js and traditionally i sorta ridiculed it, but it does seem like a decent language on further consideration... |
| 16:44.56 | nsadmin | mdik: yes, there are design problems, but it's not totally bad. I'll refer you to some stuff if you're interested. |
| 16:44.58 | dalias | btw who was it that said linux chrome lacks support for changing fonts? |
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| 16:45.03 | dutchfish | craigevil: after carefully weading through the logs, i can only find 1 error, ~/.xsession-errors contains permission denied. (thats it) |
| 16:45.35 | mdik | dalias: it's decent in the means of how it is being used |
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| 16:45.46 | dalias | http://www.opentype.info/demo/webfontdemo.html works great for me in chrome on debian |
| 16:46.13 | mdik | there's amazing stuff people do with javascript. now i wonder what those people could have done with a more decent language |
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| 16:46.46 | dalias | like which language? :) |
| 16:46.53 | craigevil | dutchfish: take a look at http://www.sidux.com/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=21013&postdays=0&postorder=asc |
| 16:46.56 | dalias | please don't say perl or python :) |
| 16:47.18 | mdik | ruby or python seem to be good web-application-languages |
| 16:47.22 | dutchfish | craigevil: i would if i had a graphical desktop atm ;) |
| 16:47.22 | PeterNL | php? |
| 16:47.37 | dalias | uhg no i forgot php.. please don't say php either... |
| 16:47.40 | dalias | :) |
| 16:47.42 | craigevil | dutchfish: links :) |
| 16:47.53 | dutchfish | Carnophage: ah, good tip |
| 16:47.56 | PeterNL | dutchfish: links2 can give you a grapical web browser without x |
| 16:48.00 | bzed | mdik: javascript and python/perl are two different shoes. |
| 16:48.06 | dutchfish | PeterNL: yep |
| 16:48.12 | dutchfish | thx |
| 16:48.19 | valdyn | dalias: thats something else, *I* want to chose my default font, and that's not arial |
| 16:48.27 | nsadmin | js is typically used on the client side, serverside is different (but, you could use js server-side) |
| 16:48.38 | bzed | mdik: javascript runs in the webbrowser while the python/perl/whatever application provides the data for the js |
| 16:48.39 | mdik | bzed: you could integrate a sandboxed python-interpreter into a browser, couldnt you? |
| 16:49.07 | bzed | mdik: well.. in theory you could as plugin or so... but WTF? and who would do that? |
| 16:49.53 | mdik | bzed: i mean in a not happened reality, where noone had the idea for javascript, they'd integrated something else into their browsers |
| 16:50.43 | valdyn | mdik: you can already hack javascript in plain java, thanks to google |
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| 16:51.01 | valdyn | mdik: and there's probably more languages. |
| 16:51.16 | mdik | the only thing, why it is not happening now, is, because we have javascript. and the bumps you have to work around in js, dont justify the work which would be to make to make idontknow lua the new client-side-browser-language ;) |
| 16:51.39 | dalias | valdyn, wrench->options->under the hood->change font and language settings |
| 16:51.46 | bzed | you could implement a python interpreter in JS |
| 16:51.46 | dalias | valdyn, seems easy enough... |
| 16:51.48 | valdyn | dalias: not working |
| 16:51.53 | mdik | valdyn: and then it gets translated into js-source doesnt it? |
| 16:52.00 | valdyn | mdik: yea |
| 16:52.07 | PeterNL | bzed: and the performance? |
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| 16:53.03 | valdyn | dalias: those settings dont have an effect here |
| 16:53.29 | dalias | valdyn, i just tried it and it works fine |
| 16:54.04 | valdyn | dalias: not here, slashdot is arial |
| 16:54.06 | javagamer | I'm not able to bind ports on my debian computer, even really high ones like 8080, anyone have any idea why? |
| 16:54.12 | valdyn | dalias: which I dont want |
| 16:54.15 | dalias | valdyn, slashdot overried the default |
| 16:54.23 | nsadmin | is it possible to detect what kind of dvd is in the drive, whether it's dvd+ or -, etc? |
| 16:54.24 | dalias | in its html or css |
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| 16:54.47 | valdyn | dalias: as does google? |
| 16:54.50 | dalias | yes |
| 16:54.52 | valdyn | dalias: and which site does not? |
| 16:54.55 | dalias | 99% of sites do |
| 16:55.04 | cahoot | nsadmin: maybe wodim -prcap? |
| 16:55.09 | valdyn | dalias: so iceweasel does the right thing for me, but chrome does not |
| 16:55.15 | dalias | only the 'ugly' black text/blue/purple links on white background sites leave any defaults |
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| 16:55.39 | dalias | iceweasel doesn't do what you want unless you uncheck the box 'allow websites to choose their fonts' or whatever |
| 16:56.01 | valdyn | dalias: yes, it does have that option |
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| 16:56.13 | dalias | chrome does not have an equivalent checkbox but you can probably put a .css file somewhere or make a (super simple) extension to do it |
| 16:57.22 | nsadmin | cahoot: nice! great info about the drive... and I'm still looking to see what the media is :_ |
| 16:57.25 | nsadmin | :) |
| 16:57.29 | cahoot | sorry |
| 16:57.32 | dalias | btw check out this site if your browser supports @font-face, it's very nice: |
| 16:57.34 | dalias | http://www.opentype.info/demo/webfontdemo.html |
| 16:57.56 | dalias | ff3.5 & chrome both do |
| 16:58.27 | nsadmin | no problem! and do you have an idea how I could look at the media attribs? |
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| 17:00.17 | javagamer | So, can anyone help with my port problem? |
| 17:00.37 | cahoot | nsadmin: last idea: wodim --devices |
| 17:00.43 | javagamer | I'm trying to stream something from VLC, but I can't bind to ports like 8084 |
| 17:00.44 | nsadmin | did you check the output of the func that tries to open the port? |
| 17:00.56 | nsadmin | cahoot, thanks... trying. |
| 17:00.59 | javagamer | VLC says something about not having permission |
| 17:01.21 | javagamer | but thought that only the lower ports needed superuser access to bind |
| 17:01.53 | nsadmin | javagamer: perhaps the port is already in use? |
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| 17:03.55 | javagamer | nsadmin: That's why I tried stuff like 8084, and when I checked none of the ports I tried were in use |
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| 17:04.15 | javagamer | Do I have to be in some group to bind to ports at all? |
| 17:04.27 | nsadmin | no, I dont' think so |
| 17:04.30 | orfix | Hi, from time to time my screen goes black and start flickering for 3 or 4 seconds then i get a message on blue background telling me that there is a problem with my Xorg, here is my xorg.0.log http://pastebin.org/328276 i am on a debian lenny 5.0.4, X.Org X Server 1.4.2, Thanks |
| 17:04.31 | dalias | no |
| 17:05.27 | nsadmin | orfix is your xorg.conf nonempty? |
| 17:05.36 | dalias | btw random fun.. http://☃.net/ |
| 17:05.56 | javagamer | specifically I'm getting socket bind error (Permission denied) |
| 17:05.58 | nsadmin | what the hell is that :)' |
| 17:06.38 | dalias | a snowman |
| 17:06.40 | nsadmin | unknown host ☃.net |
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| 17:07.13 | orfix | nsadmin: here is my /etc/X11/xorg.conf http://pastebin.org/328285 |
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| 17:07.39 | dalias | nsadmin, looks like your browser doesnt support IDN's |
| 17:08.03 | nsadmin | yeah, looks that way (konq I think) |
| 17:08.48 | nsadmin | $ ping ☃.net |
| 17:09.02 | nsadmin | ping: unknown host ☃.net |
| 17:09.05 | nsadmin | $ |
| 17:09.22 | nsadmin | but the problem looks deeper |
| 17:09.30 | dalias | ping doesnt support IDN, and obviously shouldnt have to |
| 17:09.39 | dalias | it's glibc resolver's job but it doesnt do it :) |
| 17:09.59 | dalias | so for now, its up to apps to roll their own support |
| 17:10.02 | nsadmin | doesn't everything on the system use that? |
| 17:10.13 | dalias | good browsers (at least ff and chrome) work fine |
| 17:10.30 | dalias | yes but you can pre-encode the query before passing it to gethostbyname or equivalent |
| 17:10.36 | dalias | that's what browsers do |
| 17:11.16 | dalias | somewhere down the line when drepper pulls his head halfway out of his ass, glibc will do its job and things will work everywhere :) |
| 17:11.38 | zinx | uhm, Debian uses eglibc |
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| 17:12.08 | nsadmin | then it's someone else that needs to extract head? |
| 17:12.36 | dalias | it'd also be possible to make an nss module that wraps the resolver |
| 17:12.44 | zinx | it's someone that would probably me more open to changing it's job :P |
| 17:12.48 | zinx | erh, probably be |
| 17:12.55 | nsadmin | I mean dns domains went international how long ago? 6 months or so? |
| 17:13.23 | dalias | several years |
| 17:13.33 | nsadmin | that's braindead then |
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| 17:13.58 | dalias | however it's up to each tld whether to allow non-ascii, and how much (what characters) they allow |
| 17:14.44 | nsadmin | but if the libc resolver allows all of it, that should cover the situation |
| 17:14.49 | dalias | a month or so ago, the first non-ascii tld's were introduced |
| 17:14.55 | dalias | right |
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| 17:15.31 | nsadmin | is it an unsolved research problem? |
| 17:15.34 | _2 | is there a bug in "e2fsck 1.40-WIP" it seems to be erroring out strangely... e2fsck: need terminal for interactive repairs |
| 17:16.00 | nsadmin | if no... they're running out of excuses mighty fast |
| 17:16.01 | SteveC | One IP address per server on EC2? really? :( |
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| 17:16.28 | dalias | nsadmin, well it's a controversial area in some ways |
| 17:16.33 | Zsolt | hello |
| 17:16.45 | dalias | a number of english-centric old fogeys hate the whole concept of IDN |
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| 17:17.18 | dalias | and there are security issues, e.g. spoofing a well-known domain by making a similar domain that contains cyrillic "a" in place of "a" |
| 17:17.46 | Zsolt | pls help me.would like to install debian linux to an old pc.how may I create the netinstaller image for floppy? |
| 17:17.54 | nsadmin | ok that does make sense |
| 17:18.10 | nsadmin | flflflfloppy? |
| 17:18.23 | dalias | in browsers and apps that have to deal with urls that might be phishing attacks, there are established good practices for making sure you display the url in a way that prevents it from being easily confused |
| 17:18.24 | _2 | localhost:~# fsck -CRA /dev/hda |
| 17:18.24 | _2 | e2fsck: need terminal for interactive repairs |
| 17:18.41 | Zsolt | yes.because it can't boot up with any usb stick |
| 17:18.50 | dalias | but at the base level, the system functions to resolve names should always work |
| 17:18.54 | nsadmin | and not cd? |
| 17:19.23 | dalias | _2, how are you logged in? |
| 17:19.31 | _2 | ? |
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| 17:19.45 | _2 | you mean user perms on that console ? |
| 17:19.50 | _2 | superuser |
| 17:19.57 | Zsolt | the only disk would be a 4.5gb usb stick |
| 17:20.01 | dalias | however you logged in, fsck does not have a terminal... |
| 17:20.16 | _2 | dalias but why ? |
| 17:20.29 | dalias | type 'tty' and see what it says |
| 17:21.06 | _2 | localhost:~# tty |
| 17:21.07 | dalias | btw /dev/hda is almost surely wrong |
| 17:21.09 | _2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:21.14 | dalias | it should be /dev/hda1 or similar... |
| 17:21.27 | _2 | dalias no /dev/hda is correct |
| 17:21.34 | dalias | unless you really are using an unpartitioned hd... |
| 17:21.35 | _2 | that's where /home is |
| 17:21.41 | _2 | i am |
| 17:21.45 | dalias | ah ok |
| 17:21.59 | nsadmin | what are the benefits of doing so? |
| 17:22.15 | _2 | freedom |
| 17:22.22 | nsadmin | from? |
| 17:22.32 | _2 | i don't have to conform with the assumed standard |
| 17:22.54 | _2 | only benefit i can think of |
| 17:22.59 | dalias | slightly more space and maybe not having to worry about whether the bogus CHS numbers in the partition table match up with the bios's normal/lba/large mode crap... |
| 17:23.22 | _2 | unless you really need the 4mb of extra space |
| 17:23.32 | nsadmin | you don't have to like being supported by someone who is having fun doing so because your system is easier to figure out |
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| 17:23.37 | dalias | it might also keep shitty OS"s from trying to crap on the drive |
| 17:24.15 | dalias | but that's questionable. they may crap on it worse if they see it |
| 17:24.15 | _2 | dalias that it does, and doesn't. they always ask if you "want to partition it now?" |
| 17:25.29 | nsadmin | freedom from smooth support workflows... allrightey then... |
| 17:25.30 | _2 | but anyway. why is e2fsck erroring out when called in a console, with "need a terminal" error message... that makes no sense to me |
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| 17:25.40 | _2 | nsadmin that too |
| 17:25.43 | _2 | :) |
| 17:26.18 | nsadmin | your sense of freedom could have affected every part of your system... |
| 17:26.30 | dalias | _2, maybe try running it inside screen? |
| 17:26.38 | nsadmin | in fact, I'm not totally sure why, as a freedom lover, you're not using lfs |
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| 17:26.44 | _2 | nsadmin some song writer from years gone bye, wrote a line..."freedom is just another word for 'nothing left to loose' |
| 17:26.48 | dalias | if screen also fails to run becausew there's no terminal, then you know you have a real problem :) |
| 17:27.03 | _2 | dalias good idea |
| 17:27.13 | nsadmin | I know the song |
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| 17:27.36 | _2 | dalias heh i'd have to install screen first though |
| 17:27.39 | nsadmin | so what you have has consequences that also limit freedom |
| 17:27.54 | _2 | freedom is never free |
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| 17:29.21 | _2 | dalias trying to run fsck within 'mc' fails with the same error. but running 'mc' within 'mc' works fine... |
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| 17:30.10 | nsadmin | try running fsck from the linux console |
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| 17:30.31 | dalias | looks like e2fsck is broken... |
| 17:30.31 | _2 | nsadmin did you just wake up ? |
| 17:30.38 | _2 | nsadmin yeah |
| 17:30.44 | _2 | sorry dalias |
| 17:31.05 | dalias | whats your fsck command line again? |
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| 17:31.20 | _2 | localhost:~# fsck -CRA /dev/hda |
| 17:31.29 | blinkiz | Hi. I have perl complaining about not finding sv_SE.UTF-8 language. So I suppose I have to install a language pack. I tried apt-get install language-support-sv, but that one was broken or something according to apt-get. Please advice |
| 17:31.45 | dalias | _2, remove the C |
| 17:31.51 | dalias | fsck -RA /dev/hda |
| 17:31.51 | _2 | and it errors out with. e2fsck: need terminal for interactive repairs |
| 17:31.52 | _2 | localhost:~# |
| 17:31.52 | nsadmin | try setting the language to C |
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| 17:32.13 | _2 | dalias same results |
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| 17:32.55 | nsadmin | ok, so: you get to the linux console, then you log in as root, then you run the fsck from there? |
| 17:33.05 | dalias | blinkiz, why is your locale set to a locale you don't have? :) |
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| 17:33.31 | dalias | blinkiz, btw, edit /etc/locale.gen and enable the locales you need, then rerun localegen |
| 17:33.38 | _2 | nsadmin yeah |
| 17:33.40 | dalias | locale-gen that is |
| 17:34.01 | dalias | btw why is it /dev/tty24? |
| 17:34.06 | dalias | do you have 24 virtual consoles? |
| 17:34.21 | _2 | dalias i have 64 by default |
| 17:34.26 | dalias | and have you tried running on a mor enormal one like /dev/tty1 |
| 17:34.27 | nsadmin | _2, had you edited your shell startup scripts? |
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| 17:34.34 | blinkiz | dalias, thanks, it worked |
| 17:34.47 | dalias | blinkiz, np |
| 17:34.52 | _2 | nsadmin of course |
| 17:35.44 | nsadmin | ok. for each shell startup script you have, back it up and remove it from consideration by bash, log out then log in again |
| 17:35.53 | _2 | ok without any args it works.... localhost:~# fsck /dev/hda |
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| 17:36.18 | dalias | ... |
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| 17:36.59 | flo`2 | hi |
| 17:37.18 | flo`2 | i have a strange problem with another laptop: i have lenny on it, with XFCE. |
| 17:37.19 | amee2k | okay. my file server started out with 631GB used on the partition. i'm copying 408GB. now i'm using 1065GiB on the server and still not done copying |
| 17:37.22 | amee2k | what doesn't add up in this picture? |
| 17:37.33 | _2 | but with -RA or -RAC it errors with 'need terminal' |
| 17:37.34 | flo`2 | sometimes, very rarely, the desktop background image is a different one |
| 17:37.51 | flo`2 | not that blue thing with the debian logo, but the XFCE image |
| 17:38.10 | flo`2 | what's the matter there ^^? |
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| 17:39.08 | _2 | amee2k if several of the files on the source are linked 'soft or hard' the copy command used may well be making duplicates rather than re-linking them |
| 17:39.46 | _2 | amee2k that could make a copy of a few meg take a few gig of space on the target... just a thought |
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| 17:40.47 | amee2k | _2: i_m using rsync -a to copy them |
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| 17:41.22 | dalias | rsync for local copy? |
| 17:41.26 | _2 | got to run. thanks guys. |
| 17:41.26 | dalias | oh btw another reason..... |
| 17:41.34 | dalias | some of the source files could be 'sparse' |
| 17:41.45 | dalias | rsync will not preserve spareseness when copying |
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| 17:41.55 | Lantizia | dalias, does if you specify it |
| 17:43.03 | dalias | well -a alone does not seem to be specifying it :) |
| 17:43.21 | Lantizia | dalias, no you need -S |
| 17:43.33 | bluesclues | i just installed debian testing, and it seems that i'm unable to both install a nvidia driver (closed sourced from nvidia; wrong gcc version) or able to find the required source packages in the debian repositories (looking for a way to install nvidia legacy drivers); anyone know the best way to install nvidia legacy drivers within squeeze? |
| 17:43.49 | amee2k | dalias: no, copying stuff to a file server |
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| 17:48.52 | flo`2 | hi |
| 17:49.26 | flo`2 | my kernel (self-compiled) doesn't do automatic module loading. for example, in the initrd i have to load the dm-mod module manually to make lvm work |
| 17:49.43 | flo`2 | then, i also have to load the vfat module by hand to access FAT partitions. |
| 17:49.56 | flo`2 | all that worked automatically before. what am i doing wrong? |
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| 17:50.09 | flo`2 | did i mis-configiure my kernel or is that some userspace thingy? |
| 17:50.38 | nsadmin | flo`2: did you use make-kpkg to build the kernel? |
| 17:51.23 | flo`2 | nsadmin, no. manually configured, build and installed |
| 17:51.31 | flo`2 | but all other kernels i built the same way worked |
| 17:52.12 | nsadmin | ok, I don't support that, and I recommend you rebuild with make-kpkg --initrd kernel_image kernel_headers |
| 17:54.21 | bluesclues | anyone know the best way to install nvidia legacy drivers within debian testing, squeeze? |
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| 17:55.19 | jelly-hme | flo`2: which debian release? Which version of udev? |
| 17:55.59 | flo`2 | jelly-hme, lenny and... wait |
| 17:56.24 | jelly-hme | bluesclues: /msg dpkg nvidia squeeze |
| 17:56.29 | jelly-hme | oh, legacy |
| 17:56.34 | jelly-hme | dunno then |
| 17:56.44 | flo`2 | udevd --version says 125 |
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| 17:58.07 | jelly-hme | if you had squeeze udev could be blamed, but this way, not so much |
| 17:58.13 | Zahlii | hi there |
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| 17:59.07 | flo`2 | jelly-hme, the strange thing is: the normal 2.6.26 kernel from debian works, and a self-build 2.6.34 also works |
| 17:59.12 | Zahlii | i got an apache2 webserver running on Linux, now i want to install mod_rewrite via ssh but this fails |
| 17:59.20 | flo`2 | only my self-built 2.6.26 doesn't :( |
| 17:59.30 | flo`2 | can some kernel option be blamed for it? |
| 17:59.31 | Zahlii | and the guys on #httpd pointed me to this chan |
| 17:59.58 | nsadmin | do you run debian? |
| 18:00.41 | Zahlii | Linux 2.6.32.2-xxxx-grs-ipv4-32 #1 SMP Tue Dec 29 14:41:18 UTC 2009 i686 |
| 18:00.51 | Zahlii | that does phpinfo say -> #linux ? |
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| 18:03.26 | jelly-hme | Zahlii: on Debian, mod_rewrite is present by default but requires enabling. Read /usr/share/doc/apache2.2-common/README.Debian.gz |
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| 18:03.40 | flo`2 | how does module autoloading work actually? |
| 18:03.50 | flo`2 | i.e., where can the mistake be? |
| 18:04.19 | nsadmin | not sure why they sent you here... that's not a debian kernel. one of many problems is there's no way to figure out your situation without actually getting into your machine and exploring (a service I provide for about $150/hour)... |
| 18:05.07 | flo`2 | -_- |
| 18:05.25 | flo`2 | well, one should activate the "module autoloading" option in the kernel ._. |
| 18:05.48 | Zahlii | jelly-hme so ap2enmod mod_rewrite ? |
| 18:05.58 | nsadmin | perhaps the person who subsequently builds the kernel should do that :) |
| 18:06.03 | jelly-hme | Zahlii: to see whether you're actually using Debian, what does "dpkg -l libc6 apache2.2-common | tail -2" say? |
| 18:06.35 | jelly-hme | Zahlii: something like that, not sure if it's with out without "mod_" |
| 18:07.21 | jelly-hme | flo`2: uh... compare Debian's and your .config? |
| 18:07.45 | Zahlii | it lists 2 things,apache2.2-common and libc6 . |
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| 18:08.19 | jelly-hme | Zahlii: I mean paste the actual output. |
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| 18:08.53 | Zahlii | http://pastie.org/private/yliowitlcv774rziv2cxig |
| 18:09.25 | jelly-hme | good, that's Debian 5 (lenny) or something sufficiently close to it |
| 18:10.14 | Zahlii | okay, and now? |
| 18:10.49 | jelly-hme | well you seem to already know what to do |
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| 18:11.13 | Zahlii | hm.. /etc/apache2 ap2enmod -> command not found |
| 18:11.46 | jelly-hme | mind the typos |
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| 18:12.01 | jelly-hme | (it's not ap2enmod, it's a2enmod) |
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| 18:12.46 | Zahlii | thank got |
| 18:12.50 | Zahlii | *god |
| 18:13.04 | Zahlii | so |
| 18:13.08 | Zahlii | seems to be enabled |
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| 18:14.06 | Zahlii | it works |
| 18:14.12 | Zahlii | damned thank you ! |
| 18:14.17 | jelly-hme | have yourself a cookie |
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| 18:15.04 | Zahlii | so, i'll go watch germany-australia now :p |
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| 18:15.26 | jelly-hme | if you must! |
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| 18:16.12 | jelly-hme | hopefully that'll prove more entertaining than Serbia vs. Ghana |
| 18:16.38 | Zahlii | ^^ |
| 18:16.48 | Zahlii | <- German |
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| 18:16.57 | l33thex0r | l33t hax0r video www.nationwidetech.tk |
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| 18:21.08 | jelly-hme | hitnrun spam sucks |
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| 18:21.58 | sparr | jelly-hme: it could be addressed on the server but no one cares enough |
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| 18:22.35 | xand | jelly-hme: you're just jealous cos you're not that l33t ;) |
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| 18:23.54 | jelly-hme | you got me now! |
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| 18:30.45 | zedboy | What am I supposed to use to escape strings nicely? db_escape_string is only for postgres. Should I be evil, call mysql_connect() and then do mysql_real_escape_string()? |
| 18:30.53 | justin22885 | does anyone have the 64 bit flashplugin-nonfree package that was recently available for debian? |
| 18:31.40 | jelly-hme | recently? |
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| 18:31.55 | jelly-hme | did it disappear anywhere? |
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| 18:32.22 | justin22885 | aah.. nevermind, i was looking in lenny, forgot its in testing.. so how is the testing version of debian anyway? |
| 18:32.24 | zedboy | justin22885: seems to be where it belongs on packages.deb.o |
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| 18:33.05 | justin22885 | as i said, i was looking under lenny, i forgot it was under testing |
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| 18:34.55 | justin22885 | is squeeze always going to be in testing?... is that like a rolling-release version or something? |
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| 18:38.58 | tycel | alright |
| 18:39.36 | tycel | is there a way to take a exhisting debian install and make it detect all new hardware (had to move my hard drive from a failed pc to another and now the hardware is diffrent) |
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| 18:41.32 | rudi_s | !tell justin22885 about squeeze |
| 18:41.52 | rudi_s | tycel: It should detect it automatically (if you selected a generic kernel on installation). |
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| 18:42.00 | tycel | hm |
| 18:42.19 | tycel | thats whats in my grub |
| 18:42.25 | tycel | but it didnt detect automaticly that i can tell=\ |
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| 18:42.40 | tycel | running really slow (much slower than it should i've had debian on this pc before) |
| 18:43.13 | justin22885 | still doesnt tell me much about squeeze.. how up to date are the packages? |
| 18:44.48 | amee2k | how do i change the keyboard layout of the login screen? |
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| 18:46.54 | topi` | how do I loop mount a dd image which has partitioning in it? AFAIK I can't get the kernel to recognize the partitioning when I losetup loop1 image.dd |
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| 18:47.47 | amee2k | topi`: extract the offset and size of the file system from the image file. losetup has a way to specify offset and length when setting up the loop device |
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| 18:47.57 | dv- | is there some unofficial debian repo that has more lib32's? In particular I need stuff like SDL and Xft... |
| 18:48.05 | topi` | amee2k: thanks |
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| 18:48.16 | amee2k | i rarely needed this, but i think thats how i made it work |
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| 18:48.38 | rudi_s | justin22885: Up to date enough for most needs. |
| 18:48.48 | amee2k | its some fiddling with block sizes and stuff though... maybe see if you can losetup the whole file and use fdisk to inspect the partition table |
| 18:48.53 | topi` | amee2k: yes, there are --offset and --sizelimit options in losetup |
| 18:49.20 | rudi_s | (But also not as stable as lenny, but if you use apt-listchanges and apt-listbugs you should be quite secure.) |
| 18:49.36 | amee2k | hm. this is highly interresting |
| 18:50.03 | amee2k | i just disabled my onboard raid controller and set it to AHCI mode. but i still have /dev/dm-1 which used to be the device of the fakeraid |
| 18:50.48 | jelly-hme | dv-: there are some in dmm |
| 18:51.06 | jelly-hme | dv-: consider using a 32bit chroot instead |
| 18:53.17 | amee2k | how come that i still have that one? |
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| 19:02.14 | mintee | hey all... rebooted a debian PE2800 last night. First time in 598 days. It came back up fine, except no TCP/IP. I cannot even manage to ping the loopback. |
| 19:02.17 | honschu | Hi, I use squeeze and would like to boot a new compiled kernel. It's installed by make install and update-grub (version 2) added it to grub.cfg. I don't use and need a initrd. The error is: "Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0)" |
| 19:03.01 | jelly-hme | honschu: forgot to give a root=/dev/foo boot parameter¿ |
| 19:03.36 | mintee | Everything looks fine in the logs, eth0 and eth1 intel pro 1000's come up fine with their modules, but it seems like network stack if screwed. |
| 19:03.43 | jelly-hme | mintee: did you reboot into a different kernel than last time? |
| 19:04.14 | mintee | jelly-hme, nope, stock kernel |
| 19:04.17 | honschu | jelly-hme: It was automagically set to /dev/hda1 and this is correct |
| 19:04.42 | mintee | i'm thinking maybe it was rootkited but didn't have the tools at the time to check. |
| 19:04.50 | jelly-hme | honschu: "hda1" isn't major=0 minor=0 like the boot message suggests |
| 19:05.09 | honschu | jelly-hme: Oh, I have ext4 as hda1 ... could this be a problem? |
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| 19:05.35 | honschu | jelly-hme: oh yes, there I tested some uid stuff |
| 19:05.43 | jelly-hme | honschu: only if you forgot to compile ext4 support in |
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| 19:05.46 | JairunCaloth | did you build ext4 support into the kernel? |
| 19:06.11 | JairunCaloth | you wouldn't be the first >.> |
| 19:06.43 | honschu | ;) |
| 19:06.50 | honschu | I didn't *duck* |
| 19:07.07 | jelly-hme | \_o< |
| 19:07.08 | honschu | maybe I should not watch soccer |
| 19:08.50 | JairunCaloth | can't say anyting... |
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| 19:10.10 | beardy | >o_/ |
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| 19:10.46 | jelly-hme | (and the hd controller driver and the ata disk driver) |
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| 19:11.05 | beardy | (lived happily everafter) |
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| 19:11.23 | Secuin | hiho |
| 19:12.17 | PeterNL | Are there fglrx 10.4 (not 10.5) debs for debian testing somewhere? 10.5 has problems and ati's own installer has problems as well. The free drivers don't give me the performance I'm looking for. The 10.4 that was in the repo last month worked great. I don't have that in my cache anymore. |
| 19:12.22 | beardy | To the mines we go. |
| 19:12.55 | \amethyst | !sdo |
| 19:12.55 | dpkg | http://snapshot.debian.org/ is an archive of almost all Debian packages uploaded since 2005, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way non-free. This service replaces the old http://snapshot.debian.net/ site that is no longer maintained. http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100412 |
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| 19:13.19 | \amethyst | PeterNL: ^^ though you should probably verify the dependencies first to make sure they work with the current X servers |
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| 19:14.07 | PeterNL | \amethyst: Thanks! I'll try |
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| 19:18.16 | dv- | jelly-hme: i'll look at those, thanks |
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| 19:18.58 | mintee | so.... i've been racking my brain for a few hours regarding this networking thing. |
| 19:19.17 | mintee | could the entire network stack be borked? |
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| 19:20.16 | petemc | mintee: what happens when you try to ping the loopback? |
| 19:20.21 | mintee | NILL |
| 19:20.27 | mintee | by IP or hostname |
| 19:20.29 | petemc | more specifically |
| 19:20.35 | mintee | times out |
| 19:20.47 | petemc | is the lo interface up? |
| 19:20.53 | mintee | strace ping 127.0.0.1 didn't complain about anything |
| 19:20.56 | mintee | yes |
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| 19:21.29 | mintee | i've tried the static ip's, setup aliases to both nics, lo, gateway address and everything... All times out. |
| 19:21.57 | petemc | bring lo down then configure it with ifconfig |
| 19:22.03 | petemc | and bring it up with ifconfig |
| 19:22.30 | mintee | ya, tried that too, still nothing |
| 19:22.49 | petemc | i find that hard to believe |
| 19:22.53 | mintee | lo, eth0 eth0:1, eth1, multiple different configurations. |
| 19:23.06 | petemc | dont complicate things with aliased interfaces |
| 19:23.07 | amee2k | i have the debian-multimedia repo added. how do i specifically install the mplayer version from that repo |
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| 19:23.15 | amee2k | as opposed to the main debian repos? |
| 19:23.46 | mintee | petemc, ya, the alias it was just for giggles. |
| 19:24.09 | mintee | i've never seen this kinda thing either in the 11 years I've been working with linux. |
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| 19:26.27 | mintee | the box is a asterisk box in colo of NYC, and I'm an hour away. |
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| 19:26.48 | mintee | after trying to figure it out last night for about 2-3 hours, it reached 6am and I left. |
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| 19:27.00 | czh123 | hi |
| 19:27.17 | mintee | going back tonight to try and fix it. All calls are working fine into the box over the wanpipe card. |
| 19:27.40 | mintee | last thing I did was install nfs-common-kernel and that's when everything started going bonky. |
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| 19:27.54 | czh123 | can anyone of you help with parted magic live-dist? |
| 19:28.50 | amee2k | right. nevermind |
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| 19:28.59 | amee2k | found the package=version syntax that worked |
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| 19:29.26 | jackal^462e^ | ciao |
| 19:29.31 | jackal^462e^ | !list |
| 19:29.31 | dpkg | jackal^462e^: VATTENE VIA |
| 19:30.04 | amee2k | !vdpau |
| 19:30.20 | amee2k | hmmm |
| 19:31.16 | amee2k | !libvdpau |
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| 19:31.55 | chellomere | dpkg++ |
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| 19:32.13 | amee2k | why don't i have the vdpau driver in mplayer, even though i got the lib installed and mplayer from the multimedia repo? |
| 19:33.05 | czh123 | which rescue distrib should i use to test my grafikkart |
| 19:33.12 | czh123 | which rescue distrib should i use to test my grafic? |
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| 19:40.14 | PeterNL | How do I tell ATP not to update fglrx-*? |
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| 19:40.59 | PeterNL | It wants to upgrade to 10.5, while I decided it is broken and I just downgraded to 10.4 |
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| 19:42.06 | sussudio | wow... is #ubuntu for real? |
| 19:42.17 | PeterNL | What's with that? |
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| 19:42.26 | amee2k | unfortunately yes. why? |
| 19:42.40 | sussudio | i don't think i'm going to get an answer in there. |
| 19:43.21 | amee2k | thats normal |
| 19:43.37 | amee2k | thats why i usually ask most general questions here |
| 19:43.39 | sussudio | i'm using someone's dedicated server on ovh and it has ubuntu installed. ovh forced an update from 8 to 10 and it broke. badly. ovh says "sorry and we'll wipe it". this is not acceptable. |
| 19:43.45 | amee2k | i wouldn't say that out lud though |
| 19:44.25 | sussudio | i can't see what went wrong, the logs just stop after post-apt upgrade. |
| 19:44.41 | mintee | so my steps tonight are, Ubuntu live CD to verify hardware/network is fine |
| 19:45.01 | mintee | then backup my configurations and Ghost machine to the USB drive. |
| 19:45.11 | mintee | then scan for any type of rootkits |
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| 19:45.26 | mintee | then replace the kernel |
| 19:45.49 | mintee | any other steps/test I should try before replacing the kernel to get this network stack back up? |
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| 19:50.48 | PeterNL | How do I tell ATP not to update fglrx-*? It wants to upgrade to 10.5, while I decided it is broken and I just downgraded to 10.4 |
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| 19:54.11 | rudi_s | PeterNL: Hold in aptitude (=), not sure about apt-get. |
| 19:54.57 | petemc | !hold |
| 19:54.57 | dpkg | well, hold is a status flag that tells the package manager not to automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package: 'echo <package> hold|dpkg --set-selections'. It is also possible to use aptitude: 'aptitude hold <package>'. Note that the hold flag set using aptitude might be ignored by other package managers (i.e. Update Manager and Synaptic), but aptitude will respect the hold set in the dpkg database. |
| 19:56.35 | PeterNL | rudi_s, petemc: Thanks! |
| 19:56.43 | rudi_s | np |
| 19:57.03 | PeterNL | some guy in #ubuntu has no idea what i'm talking about :D |
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| 20:03.11 | Schuenemann | hi. I downloaded debian squeeze (DVD 1) a couple months ago and I plan to install it now. Does it make any difference to use that ISO? Or should I download it again? |
| 20:03.39 | mintee | just use the netinstall Schuenemann |
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| 20:03.59 | Schuenemann | mintee, why is that better? |
| 20:04.05 | PeterNL | No problem, you'll want to upgrade anyway after your install |
| 20:04.07 | rudi_s | Schuenemann: If you have internet access, no. In fact what mintee said is enough and you don't need to download so much stuff and burn a dvd. |
| 20:04.46 | Schuenemann | can I use netinstall with wifi? |
| 20:05.02 | Schuenemann | I mean, wifi to install |
| 20:05.30 | rudi_s | Schuenemann: Sure. netinstall contains a basic Debian installation, the rest is downloaded. wifi should work. |
| 20:05.33 | PeterNL | If your wifi adapter is supported by the kernel on the netinstall image, i think |
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| 20:06.55 | mintee | ya, i just like the idea of a netinstall. Less time to burn the disk, select your packages, and go get some coffee. :D |
| 20:07.04 | Schuenemann | won't I need to burn the disk anyway? |
| 20:07.21 | PeterNL | But if you already have an working dvd, i'd just use that |
| 20:07.47 | PeterNL | can you do a netinstall from a regular dvd? |
| 20:07.48 | Schuenemann | I thought it could be outdated |
| 20:08.07 | Schuenemann | the media isn't really important, I'm using RW |
| 20:08.26 | PeterNL | Everything is outdated after a few days, but you can always upgrade everything after installation |
| 20:08.45 | mintee | ya, so just go with it and after the install, update the entire system |
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| 20:09.40 | Schuenemann | ok, I'll do that, then. Thanks |
| 20:10.07 | honschu | "starting early crypto disks" does this need initramfs/initrd ? |
| 20:10.07 | jhutchins_lt | Installing from DVD might be a little faster if you already have the DVD. |
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| 20:14.08 | jelly-hme | honschu: if your root fs is encrypted, probably |
| 20:14.37 | honschu | jelly-hme: No, home is encrypted. But I don't see why it stops booting |
| 20:15.06 | honschu | jelly-hme: I'm not getting asked about the passphrase |
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| 20:17.38 | jelly-hme | honschu: can't help you there, sorry; no experience with 'crypted block devices or filesystems, and have given up on not using initrramfs |
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| 20:22.04 | honschu | jelly-hme: ok |
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| 20:23.04 | xingu | neat |
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| 20:37.46 | yuan | Hi every, my Dell D430 wireless controllers are based on the Broadcom chipset. I don't know how to make it works. Can anyone give me any suggestions? Thanks |
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| 20:41.15 | dvs | yuan: http://wiki.debian.org/wl |
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| 20:41.58 | yuan | dvs, got it. Thank you:-) |
| 20:42.01 | dvs | np |
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| 20:44.52 | aslhd | dpkg -r isn't working |
| 20:44.53 | dpkg | removes isn't working along with a pound of flesh from aslhd's body, then staples aslhd back up with a staple gun. |
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| 20:45.06 | dvs | aslhd: aptitude remove <package-name> ? |
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| 20:56.19 | Angstrom_ | I typed apt-get install gcc-4.3 and it said it installed gcc, but when I type gcc it says bash: gcc: command not found |
| 20:56.24 | martinex | is debian easy for beginner users? |
| 20:56.26 | Angstrom_ | So what do I do |
| 20:56.47 | Angstrom_ | No, it is not |
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| 20:57.03 | mintee | martinex, not really. Try ubuntu or mintlinux |
| 20:57.18 | Angstrom_ | It doesn't come with the basics like gcc. Look at my example: I type apt-get install gcc-4.3, but gcc still doesn't work |
| 20:57.19 | martinex | I'm using Ubuntu since 2007:) |
| 20:57.35 | mintee | then your not a beginner |
| 20:57.42 | martinex | :D |
| 20:57.44 | mintee | Angstrom_ `locate gcc` |
| 20:58.09 | eshat | Angstrom_: check if it is really installed, with dpkg -l | grep gcc |
| 20:58.11 | Angstrom_ | locate: can not open `/var/lib/mlocate/mlocate.db': No such file or directory |
| 20:58.15 | themill | !b-e Angstrom_ |
| 20:58.15 | dpkg | Angstrom_: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
| 20:58.22 | Angstrom_ | dpkg: --install needs at least one package archive file argument |
| 20:58.22 | Angstrom_ | Type dpkg --help for help about installing and deinstalling packages [*]; |
| 20:58.22 | Angstrom_ | Use `dselect' or `aptitude' for user-friendly package management; |
| 20:58.22 | Angstrom_ | Type dpkg -Dhelp for a list of dpkg debug flag values; |
| 20:58.22 | Angstrom_ | Type dpkg --force-help for a list of forcing options; |
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| 20:58.22 | dpkg | Angstrom_: I give up, what is it? |
| 20:58.23 | eshat | Angstrom_: updatedb as root |
| 20:58.23 | mintee | or `updatedb; locate gcc` |
| 20:58.26 | \amethyst | Angstrom_: you need th 'gcc' package to get the /usr/bin/gcc symlink |
| 20:58.29 | \amethyst | doh |
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| 20:58.38 | \amethyst | Angstrom_: you need the 'gcc' package to get the /usr/bin/gcc symlink |
| 20:58.49 | \amethyst | Angstrom_: gcc-4.3 just installs /usr/bin/gcc-4.3 |
| 20:58.57 | Angstrom_ | og |
| 20:59.02 | themill | Angstrom_: don't paste. What makes you assume that gcc-4.3 is /usr/bin/gcc? |
| 20:59.04 | Angstrom_ | oh |
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| 20:59.09 | Angstrom_ | because it is |
| 20:59.17 | mintee | *sigh |
| 20:59.25 | Angstrom_ | I see |
| 20:59.28 | Angstrom_ | Thanks |
| 20:59.33 | Angstrom_ | Didn't realize the gcc executable was renamed |
| 20:59.49 | \amethyst | Angstrom_: this is done so that you can have multiple gcc versions installed at the same time |
| 20:59.55 | Angstrom_ | Are there good beginners guides that tell how to install basic packages |
| 20:59.59 | Angstrom_ | k |
| 21:00.15 | \amethyst | Angstrom_: the 'gcc' package depends on the default version, and includes the symlink from /usr/bin/gcc to that version |
| 21:00.22 | Angstrom_ | Okay. |
| 21:00.29 | themill | Angstrom_: "gcc" isn't a "basic package". And what wasn't obvious about "aptitude install gcc" anyway? |
| 21:01.09 | \amethyst | Angstrom_: apt-file search is useful: apt-file search /usr/bin/gcc |
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| 21:01.29 | \amethyst | Angstrom_: it will list all the packages containing files whose names contain /usr/bin/gcc |
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| 21:02.45 | bluesclues | anyone know the best way to install nvidia legacy drivers within debian testing, squeeze? |
| 21:03.27 | bush | i had two drives in a raid1 array with mdadm, one of those drives is completely dead, how do i get the data off the other drive? |
| 21:03.51 | simonrvn | mount it like a non-raid device |
| 21:04.07 | bush | i try to mount it as reiser but it says type mdadm isnt recognized |
| 21:04.11 | bush | er |
| 21:04.12 | bush | not mdadm |
| 21:04.34 | zombiethoughts | yep, should work fine as a solitary drive. Hardware raid right? |
| 21:04.35 | bush | unknown filesystem type mdraid |
| 21:04.39 | bush | software |
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| 21:05.22 | zombiethoughts | bush: crap, never mess with the software raid |
| 21:05.32 | bush | meh |
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| 21:05.39 | bush | that information would have been great a few months ago ;) |
| 21:05.48 | zombiethoughts | sorryu |
| 21:05.54 | zombiethoughts | -y |
| 21:05.57 | zombiethoughts | -u |
| 21:06.06 | rysiek|pl | zombiethoughts: "software raid"? as in, BSA ("BullShit Alliance") raiding a company? ;) |
| 21:06.28 | zombiethoughts | rysiek|pl: Yes, software raid is bs. |
| 21:07.15 | rysiek|pl | whoa. we're riding on two levels at once. nicely done. |
| 21:07.20 | rysiek|pl | ...raiding? |
| 21:07.37 | maligor | it's not bs, it's a hack for windows |
| 21:07.48 | mintee | rebooted a debian PE2800 last night. First time in 598 days. It came back up fine, except no TCP/IP. I cannot even manage to ping the loopback. |
| 21:08.03 | mintee | Everything looks fine in the logs, eth0 and eth1 intel pro 1000's come up fine with their modules, but it seems like network stack if screwed. |
| 21:08.40 | zombiethoughts | mintee: Nice, almost 2 years of uptime? |
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| 21:09.03 | mintee | ya, the colo was swapping out a huge UPS, so I had to go and reboot her |
| 21:09.08 | zombiethoughts | you can't ping 127.0.0.1? |
| 21:09.16 | bush | i had a little over a year once, that was on bsd though |
| 21:09.16 | mintee | just really sucks that I'm having the strangest issues. |
| 21:09.21 | mintee | nope |
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| 21:10.08 | mintee | can't ping, can't nc, inside or out... dmesg shows the modules loaded fine, and ifconfig shows them up |
| 21:10.16 | mintee | just can't do anyting with them |
| 21:10.50 | zombiethoughts | post your ifconfig? |
| 21:11.15 | zombiethoughts | or too much info? |
| 21:11.23 | mintee | heh... Kinda hard too without network :P |
| 21:11.34 | mintee | and the fact that the box is 100 miles away |
| 21:11.43 | zombiethoughts | Network doesn't have to work for ifconfig. |
| 21:11.48 | mintee | i'm going back out there tomorrow. |
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| 21:11.57 | mintee | ya, but copy pasta does :P |
| 21:12.07 | Angstrom_ | How can I set up a serial mouse to work with X in Debian? |
| 21:12.16 | bluesclues | or tee > |
| 21:12.25 | jhutchins | Angstrom_: lenny? |
| 21:12.34 | Angstrom_ | What is lenny? |
| 21:12.41 | Angstrom_ | I used a Network Install disc for Debian 5.0.2 |
| 21:12.54 | mintee | zombiethoughts, it's an asterisk box, and both wanpipe devices for my PRI's are working fine. |
| 21:12.56 | jhutchins | Angstrom_: Ah, lenny is the name for Debian 5. |
| 21:13.02 | jhutchins | Angstrom_: One moment. |
| 21:13.17 | Angstrom_ | I checked google, it was hard to find any relevant information |
| 21:13.32 | bush | OK FIGURED IT OUT |
| 21:13.34 | bush | oops |
| 21:13.45 | jhutchins | Angstrom_: Do you have an xorg.conf in /etc/X11? |
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| 21:13.47 | fastputty | someone having trouble with zoneedit?? it works fine, now it stop working.. |
| 21:13.53 | Angstrom_ | yes |
| 21:13.58 | bush | mdadm allows you to mount a single device in cases such as this |
| 21:14.04 | Angstrom_ | I tried xf86config or XF86Config, but neither command worked |
| 21:14.11 | bush | serves me right for software raiding 2 old 120GB IDE drives |
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| 21:14.59 | tbsaunde | bush: better than raid 0 ing them :) |
| 21:15.16 | jhutchins | Angstrom_: There should be a section "InputDevice" for Identifier "Mouse0" Driver "mouse" Device "/dev/ttyS0" (assuming it's on COM1). |
| 21:15.43 | bluesclues | since one else seems to want, or know how to, answer my last question i will ask this: will squeeze ever have support for nvidia legacy drivers? |
| 21:15.45 | mintee | zombiethoughts, the only thing that changed in that nearly 2 years of uptime was that I installed nfs-kernel-server, nfs-common and portmap |
| 21:16.14 | Angstrom_ | Ok |
| 21:16.22 | Angstrom_ | I added a line saying Device "/dev/ttyS0" |
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| 21:16.36 | jhutchins | bluesclues: Are you talking about proprietary drivers that use non-free binary code and may be patented or copyrighted by Nvidia? |
| 21:16.44 | Angstrom_ | Checkalecka high checka highney hole |
| 21:16.54 | Angstrom_ | Off to try it, thanks a lot for the help |
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| 21:16.56 | Angstrom_ | ! |
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| 21:17.02 | jhutchins | Angstrom_: Restart X. |
| 21:17.08 | bush | tbsaunde: true story brah |
| 21:17.19 | jhutchins | Angstrom_: Wait a sec... |
| 21:17.19 | bluesclues | jhutchins, or even the debian source, found in the repositories? |
| 21:17.28 | jhutchins | Crud. |
| 21:17.58 | jhutchins | bluesclues: If it's all free, open source software, it should be installable in a number of ways. |
| 21:18.08 | bush | i nearly shit my pants for an hour when i thought the array was actually on a pair of 250GB sata drives, which much to my surprise weren't even formatted |
| 21:18.22 | jhutchins | bluesclues: In either case, there probably won't be a major policy change in squeeze. |
| 21:18.29 | bluesclues | jhutchins, because as it stands right now, i cannot cannot install the nvidia driver either way (wrong gcc version for nvidia binary and there is no source in repositories) |
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| 21:19.18 | jhutchins | bluesclues: Perhaps you should not be running squeeze. |
| 21:19.27 | lynx_ | When I type startx in Debian (lenny) it says "fatal: no screens found" |
| 21:19.33 | bluesclues | jhutchins, LOL wrong answer! |
| 21:19.33 | qq- | !nvidia squeeze |
| 21:19.34 | dpkg | The nvidia drivers currently in squeeze are compatible with the squeeze kernel. No need for a testing/unstable mix now. Use either module-assistant or DKMS to compile them; ask me about <nvidia m-a> <nvidia dkms>. |
| 21:19.49 | bluesclues | qq-, that's wrong too |
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| 21:19.58 | qq- | cool .. |
| 21:20.15 | craigevil | dkms works just fine to install nvidia in squeeze |
| 21:20.33 | lynx_ | lynx |
| 21:20.47 | lynx_ | How do I get it to work |
| 21:20.55 | lynx_ | Anyone? |
| 21:21.00 | bluesclues | craigevil, show where the nvidia legacy source is to use module assist? :) |
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| 21:21.22 | craigevil | the only way gcc would be incompatible is if you are using a lenny kernel on squeeze |
| 21:21.24 | lynx_ | help me |
| 21:21.33 | lynx_ | How do I get startx to work |
| 21:21.39 | lynx_ | apt-get install x? |
| 21:21.49 | bluesclues | craigevil, no, i'm using the latest one, 5-686 one |
| 21:22.07 | bluesclues | for kernel |
| 21:22.08 | lynx_ | How do I get startx to work? |
| 21:22.48 | bluesclues | craigevil, 2.6.32-5-86 that is |
| 21:22.56 | craigevil | bluesclues: there are a million and one threads on the forums.debian.net dkms worked in every one of them |
| 21:22.57 | bluesclues | -686* |
| 21:23.03 | lynx_ | How do I get startx to work |
| 21:23.22 | lynx_ | How do I |
| 21:23.23 | jhutchins | lynx_: What does dpkg -l "xs*" show? Do you have xserver-xorg installed/ |
| 21:23.25 | jhutchins | ? |
| 21:23.27 | lynx_ | ok |
| 21:23.38 | jhutchins | lynx_: Don't repeat yourself like that please. |
| 21:23.53 | lynx_ | YTes |
| 21:23.54 | lynx_ | Yes |
| 21:24.04 | lynx_ | xserver-xorg shows many listings |
| 21:24.27 | jhutchins | lynx_: But are they installed? |
| 21:24.35 | lynx_ | yes |
| 21:24.42 | lynx_ | almost all of them are, they say "ii" instead of "un" |
| 21:24.53 | jhutchins | lynx_: Most people use the 'desktop' task to install it. |
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| 21:25.02 | lynx_ | Okay |
| 21:25.04 | jhutchins | You should hve /usr/bin/startx and /usr/bin/X |
| 21:25.08 | lynx_ | It was previously working |
| 21:25.22 | lynx_ | Both of those files are in /usr/bin. |
| 21:25.25 | jhutchins | lynx_: You may have information in /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 21:25.47 | lynx_ | I see why |
| 21:25.56 | jhutchins | lynx_: I would start by just running X as root, see what you get on the screen. Ctl-alt-backspace to exit. |
| 21:26.03 | lynx_ | I added the line: |
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| 21:26.19 | lynx_ | Device"/dev/ttyS0" |
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| 21:26.36 | lynx_ | that's what stopped it from working |
| 21:26.47 | lynx_ | I wanted to make it so that my serial mouse work, by following instructions from someone in here |
| 21:26.58 | \amethyst | Where did you add that line? |
| 21:27.05 | lynx_ | /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 21:27.10 | \amethyst | where in that file? |
| 21:27.16 | lynx_ | Like someone here told me to do |
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| 21:27.21 | craigevil | bluesclues: for legacy you will need sid sources, nvidia-glx-legacy-71xx, nvidia-glx-legacy-96xx, nvidia-glx-legacy-173xx are all in sid |
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| 21:27.39 | \amethyst | lynx_: I mean, in what section? |
| 21:27.51 | bluesclues | craigevil, yeah, that's what i thought ;) |
| 21:27.52 | lynx_ | I put it in Section "InputDevice" |
| 21:28.00 | SteveC | Is there a channel for apache2? If not, anyone able to tell me why http://hsa.kallisti.co.uk/ works fine in IE and fails in Chrome/Safari? |
| 21:28.00 | lynx_ | under Configured Mouse |
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| 21:28.08 | lynx_ | What was I supposed to do? |
| 21:28.18 | \amethyst | lynx_: that sounds okay... do you get any lines with 'EE' in your /var/log/Xorg.0.log ? |
| 21:28.38 | valdyn | SteveC: why would you think that this has anything to do with apache? |
| 21:28.40 | lynx_ | (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown. |
| 21:28.40 | lynx_ | (EE) Problem parsing the config file |
| 21:28.40 | lynx_ | (EE) Error parsing the config file |
| 21:28.41 | themill | SteveC: #httpd for apache2 |
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| 21:28.52 | bluesclues | craigevil, but i never done a mixed system before; so this will be new to me |
| 21:28.59 | lynx_ | It says Device is not a valid keyword in this section |
| 21:29.13 | SteveC | valdyn: I wouldn't necessarily, but it's my first port of call. |
| 21:29.16 | SteveC | themill: cheers. |
| 21:29.36 | valdyn | SteveC: the first call would be the browsers |
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| 21:30.03 | SteveC | valdyn: why would you think that this has anything to do with Chrome/Safari? |
| 21:30.47 | valdyn | SteveC: because apache does not usually care which program downloads something |
| 21:31.18 | craigevil | bluesclues: take a look at http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=10812 |
| 21:31.19 | SteveC | but it does set the content type and something could be wrong there. You seriously think I've found a flaw in chrome? I guess it's likely a problem with Gallery, but that's hard to justify too. |
| 21:31.38 | \amethyst | SteveC: what's the problem exactly? |
| 21:31.42 | bluesclues | craigevil, thank you |
| 21:31.43 | \amethyst | SteveC: how does it not work? |
| 21:31.47 | valdyn | SteveC: theres plenty sites that render different or wrongly in webkit |
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| 21:32.11 | SteveC | \amethyst: seeing that it might be a local problem for me, though tried it on my iphone with same results! it's seeing the main.php as a downloadable file, not html |
| 21:32.22 | \amethyst | SteveC: I'm not, and I'm using chrome |
| 21:32.48 | SteveC | \amethyst: cheers... clearing caches en-masse as we speak. |
| 21:32.53 | \amethyst | SteveC: I'm getting Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 |
| 21:33.06 | \amethyst | SteveC: that might be it... chrome is more aggressive about caching than, say, firefox |
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| 21:33.39 | SteveC | \amethyst: not that it's ever been wrong, so I'm confused |
| 21:33.42 | jhutchins | lynx_: SOrry, that was me. |
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| 21:33.54 | SteveC | \amethyst: and yeah, that's the header I saw with telnet. fingers crossed it's transient. |
| 21:34.00 | jhutchins | lynx_: Let me paste the whole section |
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| 21:35.20 | jhutchins | lynx_: I was assuming you were modifying an existing section that merely pointed to the wrong device. |
| 21:36.56 | jhutchins | lynx_: If you're unsure, pastebin your xorg.conf and I'll show you how to fix it. |
| 21:37.29 | Neurotiquette | anyone ever setup nxserver on debian? |
| 21:37.31 | jhutchins | Ah crud. Autocomplete shouldn't be valid if a nic's gone. |
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| 21:39.26 | bluesclues | craigevil, i can just download the sid source package, install it and go on as the same right (with testing version of nvidia settings, nvidia xconfig, and nvidia glx)? |
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| 21:41.54 | jhutchins | SteveC: PHP is rendered by the server. |
| 21:42.44 | jhutchins | SteveC: If it's coming through as text, it's because the server isn't recognizing it as code due to a mimetype error, possibly triggered by some of the client customization code. |
| 21:43.08 | craigevil | !tell bluesclues about nvidia dkms |
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| 21:45.29 | jhutchins | Ah well, if lynx makes it back again have him ping jhutchins_lt. |
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| 21:48.47 | nsadmin | or it could also be because php is not installed properly |
| 21:49.08 | nsadmin | you could look at the access log, it might say what mime type |
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| 21:50.41 | bluesclues | craigevil, from my understanding nvidia dkms doesn't support nvidia legacy? |
| 21:51.16 | craigevil | bluesclues: sorry no clue, i've always just used the nvidia installer |
| 21:53.04 | bluesclues | craigevil, same here, but at this point i cannot use it because i get a cannot load *.so file because of wrong gcc version; this is after ignoring the warning that the gcc version being used to build the drive is not the same as the what was used to build the kernel |
| 21:54.36 | nsadmin | the problems look like they're associated with movement of versions |
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| 21:55.26 | nsadmin | whether this is caused by mixed dist or running the dists that tend to move (that is, something other than stable), I don't know |
| 21:56.31 | jelly-home | bluesclues: you ought to use the same gcc major and minor version, eg. gcc 4.1.1 and gcc 4.1.4 ought to work, but gcc 4.1 and 4.3 might not |
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| 21:57.41 | craigevil | bluesclues: go on irc.oftc.net and join #smxi for a very simple way to get it installed |
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| 21:58.16 | bluesclues | craigevil, here is the log, if you just wanted to know, of the nvidia binary install: http://pastebin.org/328770 |
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| 22:00.18 | govind | !dpkg why aptitude |
| 22:00.18 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often find a solution where apt-get gives up. It can be used from the command line like apt-get plus an interactive resolver makes it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). |
| 22:01.06 | jhutchins_lt | bluesclues: You should also know there are sometimes issues with packages coming and going and breaking deps. |
| 22:01.32 | bluesclues | craigevil, here's the rest of it: http://pastebin.org/328780 |
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| 22:01.48 | fastputty | is there anyone here use ZoneEdit to do the DNS mapping? i think its down or zoneedit having problem right now AM i right? |
| 22:01.54 | bluesclues | jhutchins, yes, i been using testing since lenny was testing ;) |
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| 22:02.56 | bluesclues | jhutchins, this is the first time though there wasn't a solution, either using nvidia binaries, or using the sources offered in the repositories where i couldn't get this nvidia card to work |
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| 22:05.50 | bluesclues | i remember the issues with xen in the kernel, but even with that i was still able to get the nvidia binary drivers to work; at least that's how i remember it? |
| 22:06.20 | jhutchins_lt | bluesclues: I thought the standard procedure for testing/unstable was to restore your pre-update snapshot and wait for a fix. |
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| 22:07.14 | bluesclues | jhutchins, if that was it always alluded me, and i guess that's because i never, ever, used a mixed system |
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| 22:07.43 | nsadmin | bluesclues: I had an asus m2npv-vm mobo (well still have it) and later bought an m2a-vm (similar, but one has nvidia gfx, the other ati) |
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| 22:08.24 | bluesclues | nsadmin, are you saying you went ati to avoid these issues ;) |
| 22:08.36 | nsadmin | there was an error message while trying to compile nvidia driver under xen kernel... so, gave up on nvidia, went to ati... |
| 22:08.44 | bluesclues | ah |
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| 22:08.52 | nsadmin | tried to get xen working, crash crash crash... |
| 22:09.06 | nsadmin | when using the non3d driver, xen worked |
| 22:09.37 | nsadmin | so, I gave up on xen in favor of kvm at least for the moment |
| 22:09.48 | bluesclues | nsadmin, heh |
| 22:10.12 | jhutchins_lt | nsadmin: 3D's that important on a VM? |
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| 22:11.20 | nsadmin | but I sorta expect to find that any virtualization would tend to interfere with the 3d stuff... yes, so I responded to my own anecdotal evidence, and yes, 3d and virtualization is a bit unusual |
| 22:12.20 | nsadmin | but it's my main desktop and I wanted to play with virtualization... once I could get it working, I could run an old used-to-be standalone system as a guest |
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| 22:13.34 | jhutchins_lt | I kinda went the other way, built the big standalone server, then used it for ltsp to replace the old thick clients. |
| 22:13.56 | nsadmin | jhutchins_lt: I pretty much expect the attitude you express with that question to be prevelent among the devs... "it can't make sense to use together therefore we will ignore and not support it" |
| 22:14.41 | jhutchins_lt | nsadmin: I think I understand, and once 3D becomes the defacto standard they're gonna have to deal with it. |
| 22:15.00 | jhutchins_lt | nsadmin: Already VM is standardized within the GUI environment instead of a pure console server. |
| 22:15.29 | jhutchins_lt | nsadmin: If you're virtualizing for development, you're going to need 3D guests. |
| 22:15.30 | nsadmin | as long as video games make so much money for the video card industry, I don't expect anything like a defacto standard :) |
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| 22:15.47 | jhutchins_lt | Been that way a loong time. |
| 22:16.07 | nsadmin | right, and do you see it changing any time soon? :) |
| 22:16.17 | jhutchins_lt | Nope, games drive the gear. |
| 22:16.40 | jhutchins_lt | It's a long time since the need for IBM terminal emulation drove them to build the AT. |
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| 22:17.18 | Angstrom_ | In debian, I'm trying to get a serial mouse to work in X. I can't find an XF86Config or Xconfig in debian |
| 22:17.23 | Angstrom_ | but I can find xorg.onf |
| 22:17.25 | Angstrom_ | but I can find xorg.conf |
| 22:17.34 | jhutchins_lt | Angstrom_: Were you lynx_? |
| 22:17.54 | Angstrom_ | When I tried to add Device "/dev/mouse" after "ln -s"ing /dev/ttyS0 to /dev/mouse, it doesn't start X at all |
| 22:17.56 | jhutchins_lt | Angstrom_: xorg.conf is in /etc/X11, but you may not have one, most systems are able to run without one. |
| 22:17.58 | Angstrom_ | jhut: Yes |
| 22:18.15 | Angstrom_ | I added Device "/dev/ttyS0" |
| 22:18.20 | jhutchins_lt | Angstrom_: So do you or do you not have a working xorg.conf? |
| 22:18.23 | Angstrom_ | yes |
| 22:18.27 | jhutchins_lt | Angstrom_: without the serial mouse... |
| 22:18.29 | nsadmin | Angstrom_, you might try to get gpm working with the serial mouse |
| 22:18.32 | jhutchins_lt | Ok, standby. |
| 22:18.46 | Angstrom_ | but I can't start X windows with a line saying Device "/dev/mouse", it gives me a fatal error in the X log file |
| 22:18.55 | nsadmin | once you can do that, then you can forward the mouse stuff to x |
| 22:19.07 | jhutchins_lt | It's pretty simple, just hang on. |
| 22:19.13 | Angstrom_ | like gpm -t ms? |
| 22:19.25 | nsadmin | to start with |
| 22:19.47 | nsadmin | there's also a test program that tries to find the mouse and then the protocol |
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| 22:20.01 | jhutchins | Angstrom_: This is how the device section should look within the file: http://paste.debian.net/77294/ |
| 22:20.05 | nsadmin | that will give you the -t |
| 22:20.11 | jhutchins | Angstrom_: There are a couple of other lines that you need. |
| 22:20.22 | jhutchins | nsadmin: I've foudn gpm to be even harder than X. |
| 22:20.28 | Angstrom_ | Great, that's what I needed |
| 22:20.43 | Angstrom_ | so what do I type, gpm -t mouse? |
| 22:20.53 | jhutchins | Ok, whatever. |
| 22:20.57 | jhutchins | Works for me. |
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| 22:21.23 | nsadmin | try gpm -t help |
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| 22:21.35 | Angstrom_ | Yeah, I tried that |
| 22:21.40 | Angstrom_ | O0o.oops(): [daemon/add_mouse.c(90)]: Use -m device -t protocol [-o options]! |
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| 22:24.20 | nsadmin | once you can get gpm working in the linux console, then it's time to figure out gpm forwarding |
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| 22:26.28 | dotCOMmie | I did upgrade on debian (testing) and now my KDE is completely broken |
| 22:26.46 | dotCOMmie | I dont get any panels backgrounds or otherwise.. just a white screen |
| 22:27.40 | nsadmin | did you check the upgrade for which packages it was going to upgrade, then check the bts for each? |
| 22:27.46 | jelly-home | dotCOMmie: if the OPS cared enough, they would have put http://bugs.debian.org/585751 in the topic |
| 22:28.11 | dotCOMmie | jelly-home: thanks |
| 22:28.15 | jelly-home | (but they don't, so they didn't) |
| 22:29.05 | simonrvn | it's a DE, it's not like it was PAM that was borked ;p |
| 22:29.33 | dotCOMmie | jelly-home: I'll try those work arounds |
| 22:29.40 | jelly-home | it makes your system quite unusable as well if you're a user of that particular DE |
| 22:30.06 | simonrvn | not impossible |
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| 22:32.32 | jelly-home | dpkg, kde squeeze is also http://bugs.debian.org/585751 |
| 22:32.32 | dpkg | okay, jelly-home |
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| 22:32.55 | dotCOMmie | simonrvn: are you arguing its not a problem? |
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| 22:33.24 | simonrvn | don't put words in my mouth. kthx. |
| 22:33.52 | dotCOMmie | I am not, I'm not sure what you are implying. |
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| 22:34.17 | nsadmin | dotCOMmie: certainly, it's less of a problem than say broken kernel, broken perl, broken shell, broken whatever that causes the whole installation to fail |
| 22:34.21 | jelly-home | dotCOMmie: you ought tobe thankful you can still log in at the console! |
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| 22:34.38 | simonrvn | exactly what they said. |
| 22:35.00 | nsadmin | X is and always has been a side issue (just like it is with wihdows) |
| 22:35.16 | nsadmin | err just like graphics is with windows |
| 22:35.21 | simonrvn | dead kde/gnome/whatthehellever isn't the end of the world. gulf oil spill is close to it however. it's a matter of freaking perspective. |
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| 22:35.29 | dotCOMmie | jelly-home: I have yakuake so I'm using that to run apps |
| 22:36.24 | nsadmin | you can look at it as an opportunity to learn the shell and the power thereof |
| 22:36.27 | dotCOMmie | nsadmin: yes its less of a problem. But is you are using machine as a desktop its a major problem and still has a large impact |
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| 22:36.36 | themill | and install apt-listbugs while you're at it |
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| 22:36.42 | jelly-home | dotCOMmie: don't do upgrades if you have to do work |
| 22:36.51 | nsadmin | no, not a major problem. |
| 22:36.54 | dotCOMmie | jelly-home: its sunday, I dont d: |
| 22:37.16 | nsadmin | I do understand the shell pretty well, and the usual text-oriented tools |
| 22:37.22 | jelly-home | dotCOMmie: then it's not a "large impact" |
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| 22:37.39 | Chris___ | which 'init' is single user mode? |
| 22:37.40 | nsadmin | cat head tail echo sort grep uniq etc etc |
| 22:37.47 | jelly-home | merely a case of "something broken in testing, news at 11" |
| 22:37.47 | nsadmin | S |
| 22:37.53 | jelly-home | Chris___: 1 |
| 22:38.03 | jelly-home | (both s, S and 1) |
| 22:38.10 | jelly-home | all three! |
| 22:38.16 | simonrvn | wow |
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| 22:38.23 | dotCOMmie | nsadmin: I don't need a lesson in shell. |
| 22:38.23 | simonrvn | *rolls eyes* |
| 22:38.39 | Chris___ | Thanks jelly-home |
| 22:38.46 | jelly-home | amongst the major ways of going to single user,... |
| 22:38.50 | nsadmin | then you also don't need a graphical display as much as you imply |
| 22:38.51 | Schuenemann | "The display server has been shut down about 6 times in the last 90 secs. It is likely that something bad is going on. Waiting for 2 min before trying again on display :0". I've just installed squeeze and I'm getting this message on my first boot |
| 22:38.59 | simonrvn | lesson 1: just because you see a black screen, doesn't mean you also have a shell running in that terminal. |
| 22:39.29 | jelly-home | Schuenemann: this message happens when there's a problem with X or with login process of the chosen desktop environment |
| 22:39.43 | simonrvn | (or `'login' for that matter) |
| 22:39.53 | simonrvn | erm `login' |
| 22:40.02 | Schuenemann | jelly-home: what can I do? |
| 22:40.03 | nsadmin | sure it's nice to have, but it is in no way essential |
| 22:40.22 | jelly-home | Schuenemann: log in via console, try using startx to start X, see what happens |
| 22:40.52 | Schuenemann | I can see GDM initially |
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| 22:41.22 | Schuenemann | how to log in via console? recovery mode? |
| 22:41.28 | jelly-home | Schuenemann: Ctrl-Alt-F1 |
| 22:41.36 | lynx | When I type the command "deb", why does it say "bash: deb: command not found" |
| 22:41.54 | simonrvn | it's not a command... |
| 22:41.59 | Schuenemann | jelly-home: when? after that black screen it does not work anymore |
| 22:42.01 | jelly-home | Guest77781: that's expected, normally there's no "deb" command |
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| 22:42.44 | Guest77781 | Do I type apt-get install mc or apt-get install gdeb? |
| 22:42.45 | jelly-home | Schuenemann: sorry, what black screen? |
| 22:42.54 | jelly-home | Guest77781: what are you trying to do? |
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| 22:43.05 | Guest77781 | I'm trying to install a file from a web url |
| 22:43.09 | Guest77781 | it says to use the "deb" command |
| 22:43.18 | jelly-home | Guest77781: which file? which URL? |
| 22:43.24 | Schuenemann | jelly-home: first I see GDM, but screen is a little bogus. Then it alternates between that message and a black screen. When should I do ctrl alt f1? |
| 22:43.27 | Guest77781 | deb ttp://www.kiberpipa.org/~minmax/cinelerra/builds/athlonxp/ ./ |
| 22:43.32 | Guest77781 | deb http://www.kiberpipa.org/~minmax/cinelerra/builds/athlonxp/ ./ |
| 22:43.37 | simonrvn | are you sure it says "use the 'deb command"? |
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| 22:43.43 | dotCOMmie | nsadmin: you might assume everyone on the internet is a nub, but you would be mistaking |
| 22:43.50 | Guest77781 | yes, it says type deb before it |
| 22:43.58 | dotCOMmie | anyway looks like things are more or less working now |
| 22:44.06 | Schuenemann | Guest77781: it's not a command, you probably have to add that to your apt source file list |
| 22:44.10 | simonrvn | in sources.list perhaps ... |
| 22:44.15 | dotCOMmie | just gotta pull .kde from backups |
| 22:44.19 | jelly-home | Schuenemann: when it stabilizes in text mode with that message, probably |
| 22:44.24 | simonrvn | dotCOMmie: nub? |
| 22:44.51 | Schuenemann | jelly-home: it is not text mode exacly, it's a curses-like screen. But let me try again |
| 22:45.09 | jelly-home | Schuenemann: curses IS text |
| 22:45.27 | simonrvn | smells ubuntu or a dialog screen on vt7 |
| 22:45.51 | jelly-home | it's one of gdm's "something went abad" dialogs |
| 22:46.07 | nsadmin | Guest77781: looks like a command (with args too) but it's not a shell command, and so it's not typed into a shell |
| 22:46.11 | simonrvn | yeh, that's my #2 |
| 22:46.18 | Schuenemann | it doesn't work. I get a black screen with a cursor blinking, but I can't enter anything |
| 22:46.21 | Guest77781 | What do I do, just download the newest ./deb files manually from that web directory? |
| 22:46.48 | jelly-home | Schuenemann: pressing enter does show a login prompt? How about Ctrl-Alt-F2 or F3 or F4? |
| 22:46.53 | jelly-home | doesn't* |
| 22:47.08 | Schuenemann | no, a cursor blinking only. F7 shows the bogus GDM |
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| 22:47.17 | themill | Guest77781: ummm by what definition of "newest" do you want those packages? |
| 22:47.22 | nsadmin | Guest77781: so you just installed? |
| 22:47.26 | jelly-home | Schuenemann: are you sure you're running debian? :-) |
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| 22:47.29 | Guest77781 | Right |
| 22:47.34 | Guest77781 | they are precompiled .deb packages |
| 22:47.35 | Schuenemann | jelly-home: ok, I used recovery mode. I have a root shell now |
| 22:47.46 | unomi | So, I just got a new screen, my computer has an onboard intel 915G with dvi output |
| 22:47.51 | simonrvn | Guest77781: you add it to /etc/apt/sources.list , find the gpg-key for that repo, add that to apt-key, and run an aptitude update |
| 22:47.54 | jelly-home | Schuenemann: there ought to be a login prompt on 1st - 4th console in runlevel 2 |
| 22:47.56 | nsadmin | Guest77781: that deb thing goes in /etc/apt/sources.lsit |
| 22:48.00 | nsadmin | err .list |
| 22:48.06 | unomi | I have a cable that splits it up into a std vga connector and also retains a dvi connector |
| 22:48.23 | jelly-home | Schuenemann: alright, you can temporarily disable starting gdm from there |
| 22:48.25 | jelly-home | !nodm |
| 22:48.25 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "aptitude remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm slim". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console. |
| 22:48.54 | unomi | they both show up in lxrandr etc, it *works* I just need to know how to get one of the screens to stay on a 1 virtual desktop indepedant of the other |
| 22:49.49 | Schuenemann | jelly-home: it says gnome will be removed too |
| 22:50.15 | Schuenemann | oh wait you told me to try startx |
| 22:50.18 | jelly-home | Schuenemann: don't do that. use the echo "false" > ... command |
| 22:50.44 | jelly-home | to disable gdm; then go back to normal runlevel, log in at console and try startx |
| 22:51.19 | jelly-home | this is primarily just to see if it's gdm's fault somehow or something else |
| 22:51.24 | Schuenemann | sigh... let me reboot |
| 22:51.36 | jelly-home | or just exit that shell |
| 22:53.36 | jelly-home | unomi: that's more of a window manager issue; randr doesn't have any idea about virtual desktops |
| 22:54.52 | Schuenemann | almost there |
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| 22:56.26 | Schuenemann | jelly-home: I logged in and tried startx. Same black screen |
| 22:56.52 | nsadmin | then the problem is likely X |
| 22:57.10 | Schuenemann | and ctrl alt fn do nothing argh |
| 22:57.29 | nsadmin | howbout ctrl alt backspace? |
| 22:57.43 | Schuenemann | nothing too |
| 22:57.50 | Schuenemann | or ctrl alt del |
| 22:57.56 | jelly-home | Schuenemann: black screen... with a visible blinking text-cursor? |
| 22:57.57 | nsadmin | then something is wrong with input |
| 22:58.05 | Schuenemann | no cursor this time |
| 22:58.18 | jelly-home | that's not the _same_ black screen, then |
| 22:58.29 | nsadmin | oh, ok |
| 22:58.40 | Schuenemann | I had this one before a few times too |
| 22:58.40 | nsadmin | the cursor would move before, right? |
| 22:58.58 | jelly-home | Schuenemann: if you have a second machine to log in remotely, try to pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 22:59.06 | jelly-home | if not, reboot and do that ;-)\ |
| 22:59.22 | Schuenemann | reboot is easier I guess |
| 22:59.26 | jelly-home | !pastebinit |
| 22:59.26 | dpkg | it has been said that pastebinit is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>; especially convenient if you don't have a graphical interface. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list" ; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit". The default pastebin is broken in Lenny's pastebinit version (BTS #572728), use e.g. "pastebinit -b http://yourpaste.net" |
| 22:59.30 | jelly-home | ^^ install that |
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| 23:00.06 | Schuenemann | it has no internet access yet I think |
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| 23:00.10 | jelly-home | dpkg, pastebinit =~ s/especially // |
| 23:00.11 | dpkg | OK, jelly-home |
| 23:00.50 | jelly-home | dpkg, pastebinit =~ s/The default pastebin is broken in Lenny's pastebinit version (BTS #572728), use e.g./In lenny, use/ |
| 23:00.51 | dpkg | jelly-home: OK |
| 23:00.54 | unomi | now to get a transparent failover internet connection :( |
| 23:01.43 | Schuenemann | dammit I'll have to use a pendrive to copy that log. hold on |
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| 23:04.52 | Schuenemann | jelly-home: http://pastebin.ca/1882538 |
| 23:05.25 | jelly-home | Schuenemann: which debian release are you running? |
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| 23:06.01 | Schuenemann | testing/unstable |
| 23:06.10 | jelly-home | is it testing or unstable? |
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| 23:06.39 | Schuenemann | Description: Debian GNU/Linux testing/unstable |
| 23:06.57 | Schuenemann | well, it's squeeze anyway |
| 23:07.01 | jelly-home | testing. |
| 23:07.25 | Schuenemann | cat /etc/issue --> squeeze/sid |
| 23:07.40 | jelly-home | Schuenemann: yeah but what does sources.list say |
| 23:07.55 | Schuenemann | squeeze |
| 23:08.14 | Schuenemann | Binary 20100216-17:50 |
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| 23:09.21 | jelly-home | Schuenemann: well you could start by setting up the network and bringing that testing machine up to date |
| 23:10.07 | jelly-home | the error in lines 525-526 is completely unknown to me |
| 23:10.08 | Schuenemann | yeah, how to I set up the wifi adapter? it's a intel |
| 23:10.24 | jelly-home | depends on which one it is |
| 23:10.39 | jelly-home | !iwlagn |
| 23:10.39 | dpkg | iwlagn is the driver for the Intel Wireless WiFi Link (4965AGN, 5100AGN, 5300AGN, 5350AGN, 5150AGN, 1000BGN, 6000AGN, 6250AGN) series of devices. Included in mainline Linux kernels since 2.6.27. Lenny users: ask me about <bpo> to install a later kernel image package containing this driver. Firmware is required, ask me about <iwlagn firmware> to provide. http://wiki.debian.org/iwlagn |
| 23:10.42 | Schuenemann | 3945abg |
| 23:10.52 | Schuenemann | it's iwlwifi |
| 23:10.53 | jelly-home | oh, then |
| 23:10.56 | jelly-home | right |
| 23:11.19 | Schuenemann | !iwlwifi |
| 23:11.20 | dpkg | iwlwifi is the new driver for Intel 3945 and 4965 wireless LAN chipsets since Lenny. Firmware is required, ask me about <non-free sources> and install the firmware-iwlwifi package to provide. See http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi (particularly if switching from ipw3945). See also <iwlagn> <wmaster0>. #ipw2100 on irc.freenode.net. |
| 23:11.43 | jelly-home | Schuenemann: you'll have to transfer and install the firmware-iwlwifi package to the machine somehow |
| 23:11.54 | jelly-home | er, what dpkg said |
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| 23:12.01 | Schuenemann | if it's just a deb it's ok |
| 23:12.05 | jelly-home | it is |
| 23:12.19 | jelly-home | packages.debian.org is your friend |
| 23:12.19 | \amethyst | perhaps you want to remove 'ACTION ' instead of ACTION ? |
| 23:12.43 | houms | running debian testing updated to kde 4.4.4 from 4.4.3, now on login the screen is blank? anyone else seeing this? |
| 23:12.55 | \amethyst | doh |
| 23:13.24 | jelly-home | !kde squeeze |
| 23:13.24 | dpkg | KDE4 in squeeze is in the middle of a transition and currently not installable. Install libxklavier15 from sid to solve these problem using a testing/unstable mix (ask me about <tum>). "Testing is called testing for a reason". http://bugs.debian.org/585751 |
| 23:13.35 | jelly-home | houms: see that bug url |
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| 23:15.27 | houms | is it better to dpkg it or add sid sources? |
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| 23:16.08 | houms | libkdecore5 i mean |
| 23:17.29 | Schuenemann | ok, wifi is cool |
| 23:17.43 | Schuenemann | well, at least the adapter |
| 23:19.20 | jelly-home | houms: dpkg |
| 23:19.52 | jelly-home | houms: when working around package breakage, it's always better to understand what you're doing |
| 23:20.49 | houms | thanks jelly, if I may ask, after this issue is resolved, will apt still take care of that package? or because I manually dpkg will i need to update it manually? |
| 23:21.18 | jelly-home | houms: it will |
| 23:21.34 | jelly-home | especially when a newer version becomes available |
| 23:21.59 | jelly-home | you're not holding it |
| 23:22.01 | jelly-home | !hold |
| 23:22.01 | dpkg | somebody said hold was a status flag that tells the package manager not to automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package: 'echo <package> hold|dpkg --set-selections'. It is also possible to use aptitude: 'aptitude hold <package>'. Note that the hold flag set using aptitude might be ignored by other package managers (i.e. Update Manager and Synaptic), but aptitude will respect the hold set in the dpkg database. |
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| 23:23.10 | jelly-home | linease: time to change that password |
| 23:23.24 | houms | thanks again for the explanation jells |
| 23:23.35 | Schuenemann | jelly-home: can you give a hand with the wifi setup? |
| 23:23.51 | jelly-home | Schuenemann: nope, I'm wifi agnostic and tired |
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| 23:24.25 | jelly-home | !wifi |
| 23:24.25 | houms | schuenemann whats the prob. |
| 23:24.26 | dpkg | Support for your wireless LAN device is dependent on the chipset within. Don't know what you have? Ask me about <what's my wireless>. Atheros: <atheros>; Atmel: <atmel>; Broadcom: <b43>, <wl>; Intel: <ipw2100>, <ipw2200>, <iwlwifi>, <iwlagn>; Intersil: <prism>; Ralink: <ralink>; Realtek: <rtl-wifi>; TI: <acx100>; ZyDAS: <zydas>. See also: <wlan howto>, <wpa>, <killswitch>, <wimax>. http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi |
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| 23:24.49 | jelly-home | that link there might or might not point to useful informatio |
| 23:25.39 | Schuenemann | houms: I have a wpa_supplicant.conf file with the password and essid. I forgot how to connect to the router with that. iwconfig wlan0 something |
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| 23:26.55 | jelly-home | Schuenemann: anyhoo, since you have a relatively fresh xorg and relatively fresh kernel and intel, your xorg might work better if you enabled KMS. See if booting with these additional boot parameters makes things different: |
| 23:27.00 | jelly-home | Schuenemann: video=i915 i915.modeset=1 |
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| 23:27.45 | Schuenemann | i915 is intel? |
| 23:28.03 | jelly-home | Schuenemann: (yes) you may add those to GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX in /etc/default/grub, run update-grub, and hope on reboot |
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| 23:28.33 | Schuenemann | can't I edit the grub entry before choosing it? |
| 23:28.39 | jelly-home | sure you can |
| 23:28.48 | Schuenemann | ok |
| 23:29.31 | jelly-home | but explaining that is more complicated if you don't already know how it's done |
| 23:29.32 | Schuenemann | oh this is grub 2? |
| 23:29.55 | Schuenemann | which line? the one starting with linux? |
| 23:29.59 | jelly-home | yes |
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| 23:30.55 | jelly-home | there'd been s/kernel/linux/, and some change in set root= syntax, and the key bindings in the menu have changed somewhat, but it's still grub |
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| 23:31.24 | Schuenemann | font is a lot smaller now |
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| 23:31.52 | jelly-home | that's what they call a framebuffer console, now running in native resolution |
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| 23:32.11 | Schuenemann | the damn black screen with a non-blinking cursor this time |
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| 23:32.28 | jelly-home | ah, bugger |
| 23:32.36 | Angstrom_ | Is there a libs-essential or devel-essential? |
| 23:32.39 | jelly-home | Schuenemann: didn't even finish the boot process? |
| 23:32.53 | Angstrom_ | Where can I get a list of all the essentials packages |
| 23:32.56 | Schuenemann | jelly-home: it did. I entered startx |
| 23:33.15 | jelly-home | Schuenemann: hmph, does ctrl-alt-f1 work now? |
| 23:33.23 | jelly-home | it ought to work better |
| 23:33.24 | Schuenemann | nope... |
| 23:33.43 | Schuenemann | not even backspace or del *sigh* |
| 23:33.52 | jelly-home | Schuenemann: what about Alt-Sysrq-R, then Alt-Sysrq-K ? |
| 23:34.10 | Schuenemann | oh sorry I turned off |
| 23:34.41 | jelly-home | if you really have a thinkpad you'll have to do something like Alt-Fn-Prtsc-R |
| 23:35.12 | Schuenemann | how do you know that? |
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| 23:35.19 | jelly-home | heh heh heh |
| 23:35.48 | Angstrom_ | configure.in:8: error: possibly undefined macro: AM_INIT_AUTOMAKE |
| 23:35.49 | jelly-home | normal people don't choose Option "xkb_model" "thinkpad60" |
| 23:35.51 | Angstrom_ | what does that mean? |
| 23:36.02 | Schuenemann | keyboard mode set to system default it says |
| 23:36.03 | jelly-home | Angstrom_: what are you trying to do? |
| 23:36.15 | jelly-home | Schuenemann: hah, so you are in the console |
| 23:36.22 | jelly-home | and X is dead |
| 23:36.30 | Schuenemann | yeah, after reboot. GDM is disabled |
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| 23:36.51 | jelly-home | oh, that sysrq was to evade rebooting |
| 23:37.01 | Schuenemann | heh |
| 23:38.10 | Schuenemann | well, I tried startx again and then those keys. They don't work |
| 23:39.16 | jelly-home | Schuenemann: oh well. get a newer kernel (install linux-image-2.6-amd64 after you get the network up) and after you confirm it boots, get rid of old linux-image-2.6.32-trunk-amd64 kernel package |
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| 23:39.47 | jelly-home | also aptitude full-upgrade the whole system |
| 23:39.51 | Angstrom_ | How do I find out how to use automake with gettext in debian |
| 23:40.07 | jelly-home | Angstrom_: what are you _really_ trying to do? |
| 23:40.57 | Neurotiquette | bittorrent rocks. |
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| 23:41.04 | honschu | What do I need to compile into a debian-squeeze custom kernel to get udev to show all devices when asking for crypt-luks-passwd? |
| 23:41.15 | jelly-home | Angstrom_: you seem to be building something. you also seem to be missing *-dev packages needed and autoconf and possibly automake. Now, _what is it_ you're trying to build? |
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| 23:42.44 | jelly-home | honschu: I'd start with Debian's .config and use an initramfs ;-) |
| 23:43.04 | honschu | jelly-home: How to create a initramfs? |
| 23:43.19 | jelly-home | honschu: --initrd option to make-kpkg helps |
| 23:43.29 | honschu | I do not use make-kpkg |
| 23:43.36 | jelly-home | you could! |
| 23:43.45 | honschu | it's too slow and too complicated |
| 23:43.46 | jelly-home | also, update-initramfs |
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| 23:43.52 | jelly-home | honschu: pfft |
| 23:44.27 | honschu | jelly-home: it always does make clean and is not a good thing when you do kernel development |
| 23:44.28 | jelly-home | honschu: I bet it's faster than spending a couple hours on irc figuring out why your fresh kernel doesn't boot |
| 23:44.45 | jelly-home | tho that one is a valid point |
| 23:45.00 | honschu | jelly-home: it boots, but udev doesn't get fully popped up in rcS.d when no initramfs is used |
| 23:45.18 | jelly-home | honschu: so make an initramfs and see what happens |
| 23:45.36 | petekaz | anyone use duplicity for backups? I was going to give it a try for my home linux server. Essentially use it to backup / (excluding /tmp, /mnt, /proc, and /dev) to a local drive that I'll be swapping every week to take offsite. |
| 23:45.55 | honschu | jelly-home: just with update-initramfs? I do not use debian's way to create a kernel-img |
| 23:45.59 | tuv | Eastern time is UTC-5, right? |
| 23:46.06 | jelly-home | honschu: update-initramfs won't mind |
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| 23:46.40 | \amethyst | tuv: UTC-4 right now (summer time) |
| 23:46.55 | \amethyst | tuv: but UTC-5 for eastern standard, yes |
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| 23:48.53 | honschu | jelly-home: ... ok, I'll give this shitty initrd a try... |
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| 23:51.32 | honschu | reboot |
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| 23:55.45 | Schuenemann | jelly-home: ok, I give up this damn wifi. I'm going to the router room. So there I should change my sources.list to use those online repos instead of the cd-rom |
| 23:56.05 | Schuenemann | and do a aptitude upgrade? |
| 23:58.28 | jelly-home | Schuenemann: full-upgrade, and install latest linux-image-2.6-amd64 |
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| 23:59.23 | Schuenemann | full-upgrade is a aptitude option? |
