| 00:00.15 | karsten | courpse: You're better having some sort of stage -> validate -> copy. |
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| 00:00.34 | malchias | a script can write to any directory any file, any where if you make it world writeable |
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| 00:01.13 | courpse | how can one access a file thats not in /var/www/* ? |
| 00:01.19 | courpse | via http? |
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| 00:01.51 | Zyferus | use apahe and user dirs |
| 00:02.09 | Zyferus | make an alias to it |
| 00:02.09 | nsadmin | courpse with a web server configured to do so |
| 00:02.13 | malchias | they can follow links, or a script can write to anywhere |
| 00:02.13 | karsten | courpse: http://www.w3.org/Security/faq/wwwsf1.html |
| 00:02.20 | courpse | so then i have no problem? |
| 00:02.27 | Zyferus | there, that;s a better reply, ty nsadmin |
| 00:02.28 | karsten | courpse: symlinks, union mounts, scripts, device files. |
| 00:03.07 | nsadmin | but it's pretty obvious you're taking big risks |
| 00:03.23 | karsten | courpse: Who needs to write the file, for what period of time? Who needs to read it? What's the purpose of the file? What's authentication of the writing user? |
| 00:03.55 | courpse | apache needs to write to it, at any time. |
| 00:03.57 | nsadmin | courpse: other than that, you don't. apache prevents access to files it's not supposed to serve. |
| 00:03.59 | courpse | courpse owns the file. |
| 00:04.24 | courpse | nsadmin: and ofcouse it does, so i dont see the real threat with what im trying to do, :/ |
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| 00:05.01 | karsten | courpse: http://www.enterprisenetworkingplanet.com/netsecur/article.php/3730741/Learn-Best-Practices-for-Web-Server-Security.htm |
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| 00:05.19 | karsten | courpse: Why can't courpse create a file elsewhere that's periodically copied to/from the apache tree? |
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| 00:07.58 | courpse | karsten: Because it needs to be live. |
| 00:08.03 | karsten | malchias: Handing out trivial chmod recipies to people too stupid to find them on their own is NOT a Good Thing. |
| 00:08.17 | courpse | Excuse me? |
| 00:08.21 | karsten | courpse: I don't accept that. You're not explaining _why_ it has to be live. |
| 00:08.32 | courpse | i dont give a rats what you accept anymore. |
| 00:08.34 | courpse | idiot. |
| 00:08.34 | courpse | :/ |
| 00:09.00 | karsten | courpse: Thank you for your considered and measured assessment. |
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| 00:10.09 | chocotaco | Now that there is no xorg.conf in squeeze, what's the best way to add a modeline |
| 00:10.19 | karsten | chocotaco: Create an xorg.conf ;-) |
| 00:10.38 | karsten | chocotaco: AFAIC it's still valid, just optional. |
| 00:10.51 | karsten | chocotaco: ... though I haven't been following this closely. |
| 00:10.56 | chocotaco | Tried Xorg -configure :1, segfaults |
| 00:11.14 | karsten | chocotaco: strace and find out why. |
| 00:12.17 | nsadmin | courpse: in any case these are not debian support questions as you want to defeat what debian packaging put there. additionally you're acting in a hostile manner. maybe you should pose your questions on a different forum. |
| 00:12.23 | craigevil | chocotaco: if you have xserver-xorg-video-vmware installed remove it then run it again |
| 00:12.58 | karsten | chocotaco: /var/log/Xorg.0.log may also provide clues, as may ~/.xsession-errors. |
| 00:13.21 | courpse | nsadmin: I asked a simple question how do i make a file world writable and got lecture, just the answer to my question would of been fine. which is related to debian. |
| 00:13.26 | chocotaco | craigevil: yup, I do have that installed... although I've no idea why. Thanks |
| 00:13.40 | chocotaco | karsten: I don't understand strace-ese :) |
| 00:13.59 | courpse | And i turned hostile for being called 'stupid' by the person who was givin the lecture. |
| 00:14.38 | chocotaco | craigevil's tip worked |
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| 00:15.01 | chocotaco | why is vmware video installed by default (out of curiosity) |
| 00:15.27 | nsadmin | he didn't call you stupid |
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| 00:15.52 | courpse | <karsten> malchias: Handing out trivial chmod recipies to people too stupid to find them on their own is NOT a Good Thing. |
| 00:15.56 | courpse | Tell me what else that means? |
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| 00:16.35 | karsten | chocotaco: Look for the error output at the end. |
| 00:16.42 | nsadmin | wel I didn't scroll back far enough |
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| 00:17.19 | courpse | nods. |
| 00:17.27 | karsten | chocotaco: Usually there's some 'EFOO' followed by another few lines of ouptu. Pastebinning the last 100 lines or so of output should grab it though posting the whole thing may help. |
| 00:17.34 | craigevil | chocotaco: it gets pulled in with the big xorg metapackage |
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| 00:17.47 | nsadmin | so if you're not, then you could read up on setting permissions |
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| 00:18.03 | karsten | courpse: Take it as a simple but fixable statement of fact. |
| 00:21.24 | malchias | sometimes, even if you are right, you are wrong - there is no need to call names. I'm sorry to stir up a mess. I personally like it when I am given an example and then a warning - so i can decide if it applies to me. I like to know the answer and the danger personally. But I also understand guiding in the right direction - I always need guidance myself. |
| 00:22.24 | nsadmin | it's probably not stupidity (since that would be a more permanent condition), but purposeful ignorance (to avoid having to read) |
| 00:22.56 | malchias | I'm a bit both at times |
| 00:23.07 | malchias | though as long as I have hours left in the day I try to correct both |
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| 00:27.48 | lightspeed | Hey all. need some direction here. I watch harness racing streams from multiple different sites. the problem is they almost always use wma streaming. is there a way debian can view wma streams? what do I need to set up multimedia wise? |
| 00:28.20 | lightspeed | I'm currently running a fully updated Sid on AMD64 |
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| 00:31.46 | karsten | lightspeed: /msg dpkg debian multimedia |
| 00:31.58 | karsten | lightspeed: That's your best bet. I believe there are non-free tools. |
| 00:32.20 | lightspeed | ok thanks. i'll look |
| 00:33.00 | karsten | lightspeed: I also understand that WMA encapsulates a number of sins, so the specifics of the site(s) you're viewing will matter. |
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| 00:34.20 | lightspeed | ok. thats what I thought might be the problem. Pisses me off that I have paid for the site and the streams but can't view them through linux because they have sinfull things in their streams |
| 00:36.07 | lightspeed | ok well I'll do some more research |
| 00:36.12 | lightspeed | laterfolks |
| 00:36.41 | abrotman | grr |
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| 00:38.45 | karsten | abrotman: ?? Reading the SI Swimsuit Edition again? |
| 00:38.50 | karsten | ... for the articles. |
| 00:39.11 | abrotman | karsten: i wanted to ask him which DE he was using .. gstreamer should be able to play that |
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| 00:40.23 | karsten | abrotman: Not your problem. |
| 00:40.35 | abrotman | not anymore |
| 00:40.39 | karsten | abrotman: That's my mantra. (or rather "Not my problem" is). |
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| 00:44.22 | Schuenemann | can anyone help me setup my wifi connection in squeeze? |
| 00:45.33 | Schuenemann | this is the error: http://pastebin.ca/1883287 |
| 00:47.59 | abrotman | and your device is? |
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| 00:54.31 | Schuenemann | abrotman: oops sorry. intel 3945 |
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| 00:54.42 | Schuenemann | I already installed iwlwifi |
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| 00:55.13 | abrotman | have you tried without WPA ? |
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| 00:55.57 | Schuenemann | no... you mean disabling it in the router? |
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| 00:56.10 | abrotman | yes |
| 00:57.07 | Schuenemann | I could try. I'm connected to it using wifi with a different computer. Will this connection be lost? |
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| 00:57.32 | abrotman | yes |
| 00:57.56 | Schuenemann | ok, then I'll brb |
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| 01:03.50 | Schuenemann | abrotman: iwconfig wlan0 essid linux |
| 01:04.01 | abrotman | i'm not your terminal! |
| 01:04.01 | Schuenemann | still says not associated to access point |
| 01:04.11 | abrotman | Schuenemann: did you ifup also ? |
| 01:04.24 | Schuenemann | uh no. wait |
| 01:04.36 | Schuenemann | already configured |
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| 01:05.01 | abrotman | Schuenemann: does it work in the other OS ? |
| 01:05.06 | Schuenemann | iwlist scanning shows the router. weird |
| 01:05.14 | Schuenemann | yes, I'm using it now |
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| 01:05.53 | abrotman | i meant on that system |
| 01:06.12 | Schuenemann | I had it working with lenny, same laptop |
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| 01:07.21 | abrotman | is there a new driver option that you might have to trigger? |
| 01:07.39 | Schuenemann | how can I find out? |
| 01:08.01 | abrotman | modinfo |
| 01:08.42 | Schuenemann | how do I know the module? |
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| 01:11.55 | abrotman | lsmod |
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| 01:13.09 | DebrisRat | hi! |
| 01:13.42 | DebrisRat | how can i download debian, only 1 links ? |
| 01:13.58 | Schuenemann | abrotman: ok, wait a minute... I have to copy the output using a pendrive |
| 01:14.24 | rking | DebrisRat: YOU FAIL. |
| 01:14.53 | rking | DebrisRat: That is possibly the most easy question in all of computing. |
| 01:15.08 | simonrvn | rking: restrict your comments to constructive ones |
| 01:15.19 | DebrisRat | :( |
| 01:15.47 | karsten | DebrisRat: http://www.debian.org/distrib/ netinst is the best way to fly. |
| 01:15.55 | simonrvn | DebrisRat: www.debian.org/CD/ |
| 01:16.01 | simonrvn | or karsten's |
| 01:16.12 | DebrisRat | i want to download only one DVD :S |
| 01:16.23 | Schuenemann | abrotman: http://pastebin.ca/1883303 |
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| 01:16.46 | karsten | DebrisRat: same link |
| 01:16.55 | DebrisRat | and not find |
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| 01:17.01 | DebrisRat | ok |
| 01:17.16 | cyb3r3li0g | Try this one: http://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/#stable |
| 01:17.17 | DebrisRat | karsten: thanks ! simonrvn |
| 01:18.05 | karsten | DebrisRat: a full distribution spans multiple CDs/DVDs. The package updates frequently. If you're installing from multiple CDs, you're getting a lot of packages you'll only update shortly after installation. Netinstall actually involves _less_ downloading than a CD installation. |
| 01:18.22 | karsten | DebrisRat: If you've got constraints on your ability to do downloads, that's another issue. |
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| 01:18.46 | Piratero | Hello everyone. |
| 01:18.52 | abrotman | Schuenemann: so it doesn't work with or without WPA? |
| 01:18.52 | tharkun | Is there a way to skip one subdir when backing up an hdd using rsync or do i have to script everyother to be backed up? |
| 01:18.55 | DebrisRat | thanks for everythings kars |
| 01:18.58 | DebrisRat | thanks for everythings karsten |
| 01:19.05 | Schuenemann | abrotman: correct |
| 01:19.12 | karsten | tharkun: --exclude |
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| 01:19.22 | tharkun | karsten thx |
| 01:19.32 | simonrvn | tharkun: man rsync; --exclude; --exclude-from=somefile |
| 01:19.39 | abrotman | Schuenemann: your original paste shows it associating .. then losing it |
| 01:19.49 | DebrisRat | bye .! |
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| 01:19.54 | Schuenemann | yeah... |
| 01:19.58 | threed | so, having some issues upgrading a kernel on a remote system.. how can I figure out what bootloader I have? |
| 01:20.09 | threed | I don't have a /boot/grub/ or /etc/lilo.conf |
| 01:20.22 | threed | so I'm a little confused :> |
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| 01:20.55 | threed | (it's a vps, if that helps) |
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| 01:21.07 | qq- | !confuse threed |
| 01:21.07 | dpkg | No, how are my pants today, threed? Lederhosen of the Democracy of Liechtenstein with extra crabpaste. |
| 01:21.15 | threed | Quite. |
| 01:21.20 | simonrvn | hm, crab paste |
| 01:21.32 | tharkun | simonrvn: thx |
| 01:21.46 | karsten | trifler: What kind of system? |
| 01:21.55 | abrotman | hey .. thomasadam still owes me some! |
| 01:22.16 | simonrvn | wtf is that guy? |
| 01:22.24 | karsten | trifler: Depending on the VM, the hypervisor or virtualization system is effectivley the bootloader. Why do you ask? |
| 01:22.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | someone not to be triflered with |
| 01:22.57 | simonrvn | needs food |
| 01:23.09 | simonrvn | WhereTF |
| 01:23.16 | threed | karsten: I assume your nickcomplete is misguided |
| 01:23.27 | simonrvn | ETAB |
| 01:23.46 | karsten | threed: Indeed. |
| 01:23.49 | threed | I'm not sure what the virtulization system is.. trying to upgrade my kernel / go from lenny -> squeeze |
| 01:23.58 | karsten | threed: ^^ Depending on the VM ... |
| 01:24.21 | threed | Hm! |
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| 01:24.29 | karsten | threed: Your vendor should be able to guide you on that. |
| 01:24.46 | threed | fair enough, thanks :) |
| 01:24.51 | abrotman | Schuenemann: aptitude update && aptitude full-upgrade .. anything get installed ? |
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| 01:25.04 | karsten | threed: "how to change/specify your boot kernel" or something like that. |
| 01:25.07 | Schuenemann | abrotman: I doubt. I did that yesterday |
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| 01:25.48 | karsten | threed: Depending on the VM, you may or may not be able to change your kernel (eg: KVM all runs on the host kernel, VMWare or Xen boot different guest/DomU kernels). |
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| 01:25.56 | threed | I see |
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| 01:26.45 | karsten | threed: 'cat /proc/cpuinfo' should give you some idea of what your current kernel is. 'cat /proc/cmdline' will give you your current boot parameters. |
| 01:27.11 | tharkun | karsten: itym uname -a |
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| 01:27.26 | karsten | tharkun: ITYAM ;-) |
| 01:27.50 | karsten | erm. I meant what your current CPU is, which gives you an idea of what VM you're running. |
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| 01:28.21 | karsten | tharkun: Well, if I'd meant to pose a response to the topic which had actually been proposed, yes, you'd be completely correct ;-) |
| 01:28.23 | tharkun | ;P |
| 01:28.56 | abrotman | Schuenemann: what is the name of your firmware package ? |
| 01:29.18 | karsten | thinks it's really close to gymtime. |
| 01:29.18 | Schuenemann | abrotman: firmware-iwlwifi |
| 01:29.27 | tharkun | karsten: enjoy |
| 01:30.12 | karsten | notes that his phone alarm (delivered through headphones) agrees.... |
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| 01:32.55 | linuxman410 | will debian run good on k6 500mhz |
| 01:33.01 | abrotman | it can |
| 01:33.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | "E: Build-dependencies ... could not be satisfied." - wasn't there a patch or something that would help to fulfill those? |
| 01:33.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | or at least figure out what's wrong |
| 01:33.22 | abrotman | Schuenemann: i don't see any bugs in the BTS about something like that |
| 01:33.30 | karsten | linuxman410: for values of "good" not including "blazingly fast for a modern desktop". |
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| 01:34.24 | abrotman | it depends what he wants to run |
| 01:35.11 | linuxman410 | i just want machine to be able to surf net chat and maybe listen to music |
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| 01:35.33 | abrotman | linuxman410: 256MB RAM ? |
| 01:35.37 | pipeline | karsten, threed : what do you mean kvm has shared kernel? if you have VT extensions, KVM happily runs most guests. |
| 01:35.52 | linuxman410 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:36.00 | pipeline | that should be... tolerable |
| 01:36.03 | abrotman | linuxman410: just choose a light WM, you should be fine |
| 01:36.07 | pipeline | RAM is more of an issue than CPU power |
| 01:36.10 | pipeline | more RAM is always better |
| 01:36.32 | pipeline | a k6 500 is more than adequate to a linux desktop |
| 01:36.34 | linuxman410 | lxde or something lighter |
| 01:36.38 | pipeline | 384M is kinda pushing it |
| 01:36.40 | abrotman | right, that'd be okay |
| 01:36.44 | pipeline | linuxman410: the WM doesn't matter very much |
| 01:36.50 | abrotman | pipeline: it does |
| 01:36.51 | pipeline | linuxman410: firefox alone will consume 384M ;) |
| 01:36.59 | pipeline | linuxman410: ditto for openoffice |
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| 01:37.28 | linuxman410 | if i can put 512 in it will that do it |
| 01:37.41 | pipeline | 512 will be a lot better than 384 |
| 01:38.36 | Schuenemann | abrotman: yeah, it's weird. I believe that adapter is very common |
| 01:38.47 | abrotman | it is |
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| 01:41.06 | Schuenemann | I'lll try the mailing list... not feeling very well today. thanks anyway |
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| 01:44.43 | karsten | pipeline: OK, then my understanding was wrong. I though it was a partitioned but shared kernel space, linux guests only. |
| 01:44.58 | karsten | pipeline: I need to do some more research on the topic. |
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| 02:00.34 | courpse | shoud: groups and groups courpse be different? |
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| 02:00.43 | courpse | When current use is courpse. |
| 02:01.00 | abrotman | english ? |
| 02:01.11 | courpse | :/ |
| 02:01.14 | courpse | There was 1 typo. |
| 02:01.45 | courpse | should `groups` and `groups courpse`return differently when current user is courpse ? |
| 02:02.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think groups returns your current groups, groups <user> the ones from /etc/groups |
| 02:02.35 | abrotman | have you changed your groups since you logged in ? |
| 02:02.44 | courpse | Yes. |
| 02:02.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | usually those would be the same, except when you added groups very recently |
| 02:02.58 | courpse | ahh right. |
| 02:02.58 | courpse | kk. |
| 02:03.05 | courpse | Im having problems writing to a file, :/ |
| 02:03.19 | courpse | I added www-data to courpse, and chmod 664 to the file. |
| 02:03.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | "chgroup <newgroup>" (but that makes that your main current group, so new files will be owned by that group) |
| 02:03.32 | courpse | the file is www-data:www-data |
| 02:03.36 | courpse | Yet, istill get permision denied. |
| 02:04.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | or log out and back in |
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| 02:04.22 | courpse | i need to re-login to write to this file? |
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| 02:04.42 | dvs | courpse: to have the newly added group to take effect, yes |
| 02:04.57 | courpse | Humm. |
| 02:05.11 | courpse | guess i'll brb. |
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| 02:05.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | or use chgrp, as I also told you |
| 02:06.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | "too complicated" |
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| 02:10.30 | karsten | CutMeOwnThroat: We've already been through this once. |
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| 02:17.00 | Piratero | Hello everyone. |
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| 02:17.49 | miguel_sid | hi |
| 02:17.53 | Piratero | I'm wanting to install GNU Screen from their Git repository, but I would like to have it installed (create a deb file). Would it be a good idea to take the deb file from Lenny and use that? |
| 02:18.03 | Piratero | Or should I just create my own personal deb file. |
| 02:18.22 | Piratero | I guess the same could be asked for MPlayer. |
| 02:18.36 | HermanDE | Piratero Why not just apt-get install screen? |
| 02:18.55 | HermanDE | Piratero, Debian has had screen for about a decade plus.... |
| 02:19.38 | Piratero | I have personal patches. |
| 02:19.39 | karsten | Piratero: What HermanDE said. What's wrong with Debian's screen? |
| 02:19.48 | karsten | Screen version 4.00.03jw4 (FAU) 2-May-06 |
| 02:20.11 | HermanDE | Piratero Hm... What type of patches? Remember contribution can only lead to more... |
| 02:20.54 | karsten | Most current release at GNU is 4.0.3, 7 Aug 2008. |
| 02:21.36 | karsten | Piratero: starting with lenny's screen package should be a good beginning. |
| 02:21.51 | HermanDE | Piratero. Just roll your own without dpkg or apt.... Run it as a standard *ix bin... |
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| 02:21.57 | HermanDE | Piratero.. Too simple... |
| 02:22.11 | Piratero | Gotcha. |
| 02:22.13 | Piratero | Thanks. |
| 02:22.30 | HermanDE | Piratero. What does your patches do? |
| 02:22.51 | karsten | leans forward to listen.... |
| 02:23.40 | dvs | is leaning towards the Caramilk secret |
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| 02:24.11 | courpse | -rw-rw-r-- 1 courpse www-data 8774656 Jun 15 14:20 /home/courpse/.mixxx/mixxxdb.sqlite |
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| 02:24.22 | karsten | Piratero: Don't leve us in suspense.... |
| 02:24.23 | courpse | Any reason why www-data wont write to this file? |
| 02:24.32 | Piratero | HermanDE: Very very trivial stuff. I posted at the screen-devel mailing list and no response. |
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| 02:24.42 | dvs | courpse: www-data group can write to that file |
| 02:24.48 | Piratero | It just fixes some cosmetic stuff for the hardstatus string. |
| 02:24.58 | Piratero | Adds a couple of escapes and that's it. |
| 02:25.04 | courpse | dvs, i would of thought so too. |
| 02:25.27 | dvs | courpse: then what isn't writing to that file? |
| 02:25.36 | courpse | apache2. |
| 02:26.06 | karsten | Piratero: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/screen-devel/2010-06/msg00001.html ?? |
| 02:26.09 | courpse | i wrote a file with php to check its privs andstuff. |
| 02:26.15 | courpse | -rw-r--r-- 1 www-data www-data 26 Jun 15 14:19 testFile.txt |
| 02:26.21 | courpse | thats what my test file is that php created. |
| 02:26.27 | karsten | courpse: Use pastebin for that please. |
| 02:26.33 | courpse | for 1 line? |
| 02:26.36 | dvs | courpse: the umask need changing |
| 02:26.57 | Piratero | karsten: Yup. |
| 02:27.00 | karsten | counts 2 so far. |
| 02:27.09 | courpse | lol. |
| 02:27.13 | Piratero | Pretty dead. |
| 02:27.14 | karsten | Piratero: Try hitting up the maintainer directly. |
| 02:27.22 | courpse | seperated by 20 or so lines. |
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| 02:28.26 | courpse | dvs, the umask says groups can write dont it? |
| 02:28.30 | Piratero | karsten: Maybe in #screen. |
| 02:28.46 | dvs | courpse: yup, by default |
| 02:29.00 | courpse | so why does it need to be changed? |
| 02:29.06 | karsten | # courpse: If you want to be an obstinate ass, that's your own call. You're doing stupid things and you're being annoying in how you do it. Yes, if you're going to post program output, use a pastebin so that the |
| 02:29.38 | karsten | ... 921 users of #debian don't have to wade through your crap. |
| 02:29.49 | courpse | wade thru? hardly. |
| 02:29.55 | dvs | courpse: because umask will switch off permissions by default |
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| 02:30.14 | courpse | dvs: Sorry, i dont really understand. |
| 02:30.25 | luminoso | lol |
| 02:30.28 | karsten | Piratero: The Debian package maintainer might also be able to help you get something seen by upstream. |
| 02:30.52 | Piratero | Thanks. |
| 02:30.57 | Piratero | I'll check it out. |
| 02:31.13 | Piratero | Though, the patch is pretty much for the Git version of screen. |
| 02:31.33 | courpse | dvs, the umask for my file im trying to get writable by www-data is u=rw,g=rw,o=r. |
| 02:31.47 | dvs | courpse: that not a umask |
| 02:31.52 | karsten | Piratero: Even so: the DD may have a relationship with upstream. Given the package is 4 years old, I may be wrong on that ;-) |
| 02:31.56 | courpse | oh whhoops. |
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| 02:32.16 | Piratero | Heh. |
| 02:32.16 | dvs | courpse: umask is something that is set up for that user account |
| 02:32.19 | Piratero | Wow, 4 years... |
| 02:32.25 | karsten | Piratero: As someone who lives in screen daily, though, I'd be interested in seeing more coolness in it. |
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| 02:32.54 | karsten | Piratero: Jan Christoph Nordholz <hesso@pool.math.tu-berlin.de> from the changelog. |
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| 02:33.13 | Piratero | Thanks. I'll send him an e-mail if the guys in #screen don't respond. |
| 02:33.58 | karsten | Piratero: Good luck with that. |
| 02:34.21 | Piratero | Thanks for the help. |
| 02:36.47 | courpse | dvs, that shouldnt effect an existin file thou should it? |
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| 02:42.22 | Bop | anyone knows why sensors detects my temperature at 22º , i mean wrong ? any way to fix it ? |
| 02:43.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, one of you guys got pstoedit installed? Could you check if "pstoedit -f help" shows the "wemf" that's mentioned in the manpage? |
| 02:44.21 | abrotman | in sarge? |
| 02:45.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | in testing? |
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| 02:45.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | I wonder if it's really not in the packae or if it went missing during backporting |
| 02:45.34 | abrotman | doesn't appear to be |
| 02:46.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | do you have emf at all? |
| 02:46.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | probably not... apt-cache madison doesn't find libemf in the repos |
| 02:47.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | guess that explains it... no use including an extension to a library nobody has |
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| 02:47.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | kind of cool though, that the configure during backporting seems to automatically detect it... so don't even have to add a configure option |
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| 02:50.24 | flupke | hi, is this the right place to advertise on (or check correctness of) a bug report ? |
| 02:51.20 | abrotman | you can ask, but you may not get much of a response |
| 02:51.34 | flupke | it's there, got a patch and tested it but the lack of activity on it makes me think I missed something : http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=584907 |
| 02:52.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, fail - wemf is a windows-thingy... makes you wonder why it turns up in the manpage |
| 02:52.24 | abrotman | judd: versions python-qt4 |
| 02:52.25 | judd | python-qt4 -- etch: 4.0.1-5; lenny: 4.4.2-4; sid: 4.7.3-1; squeeze: 4.7.3-1 |
| 02:52.34 | abrotman | flupke: there is no ubuntu version in debian ? |
| 02:52.47 | abrotman | flupke: and you're running an ubuntu kernel |
| 02:52.55 | abrotman | and running lucid |
| 02:53.01 | abrotman | so why did you file a bug in the Debian BTS ? |
| 02:53.04 | flupke | abrotman, it's just because I generated the report from ubuntu, but it's tested against squeeze |
| 02:53.28 | abrotman | that might be why nothing has happened |
| 02:53.43 | abrotman | the entire bug report looks like an ubuntu user filed a bug against a debian package |
| 02:53.44 | flupke | seems pretty obvious now you say it -_- |
| 02:53.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 02:54.06 | flupke | shall I reply with the same report generated from squeeze ? |
| 02:54.14 | abrotman | probably a good plan |
| 02:54.52 | abrotman | at least make sure the issue exists in squeeze |
| 02:57.21 | \amethyst | and the appropriate priority would probably be wishlist |
| 02:58.02 | abrotman | probably depends what functionality is missing without it |
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| 03:05.59 | z1y | Hello all. I've used "dpkg-reconfigure locales" to fix locale problems on my system. "dpkg-reconfigure" requires me to answer to some questions. Is there any tool/command that helps to do this automatically? I have many servers and I couldn't run dpkg-reconfigure on each of my servers :( |
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| 03:09.44 | qq- | try locale-gen |
| 03:10.42 | fluffymuffins | has anyone here tried to change the internet timeout under wine? i would post this under #winehq, but they are not responding... |
| 03:12.28 | flupke | \amethyst, you can't record sound without QtMultimedia, and the module is built already it's just that it's not copied to the .deb in the end |
| 03:12.29 | z1y | qq-: thank you very much. I've got it. |
| 03:13.32 | qq- | and use the same /etc/locale.gen on all hosts |
| 03:13.46 | flupke | fixed the version infos in the reply : http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=584907 |
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| 03:30.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | z1y, try "dpkg-reconfigure debconf" (switch to "Noninteractive" or possibly "Readline") |
| 03:31.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | not sure how the noninteractive interface works, though |
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| 03:33.41 | z1y | @CutMeOwnThroat: Thank you. I will try your tip. I've written a script that modify /etc/default/locale and /etc/locale.gen. Not an official way :) |
| 03:33.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | sheesh... dunno, what noninteractive looks for (that gives me ncurses, too) but readline won't work |
| 03:34.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | because it already prints the previously selected option |
| 03:35.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | the wiki page is here: http://wiki.debian.org/debconf but it seems outdated, as there _is_ a debconf binary now |
| 03:36.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | weird, one would assume this is easier - can't be really an obscure problem to want to use certain settings on multiple machines without entering them everytime |
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| 03:38.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | aah |
| 03:38.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | z1y, "man debconf-get-selections" and "man debconf-set-selections" |
| 03:39.15 | \amethyst | and if you want it done at install time, |
| 03:39.17 | \amethyst | !preseed |
| 03:39.18 | dpkg | [preseed] Preseeding provides a way to set answers to questions asked during the Debian installation process, to allow for a streamlined or completely automated installation. The <install guide> provides an extensive appendix on preseeding with a full example. See also http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed and http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/394 |
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| 03:39.34 | z1y | yeah... using 'dpkg-reconfigure' is very comprehensive but it isn't good incase we have servers. |
| 03:39.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | \amethyst, no, he doesn't... I knew about preseeding, but not how it works :) |
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| 03:41.38 | \amethyst | ah |
| 03:41.48 | z1y | @CutMeOwnThroat: ah... that's great :) Going to try "debconf-set-selections" |
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| 03:44.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | z1y, take care, though, debconf-get-selections will print all selections for all packages |
| 03:45.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | or specifically what commands it calls |
| 03:46.48 | z1y | I see. |
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| 03:57.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | z1y, read the manpages and the warnings therein before use |
| 03:58.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | probably not too hard to crop down to relevant bits, though |
| 03:58.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | grep comes to mind |
| 03:59.42 | z1y | debconf is more complex than what I imagined .. It may take time to learn it :) |
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| 04:09.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | well... I guess as a first step something like debconf-get-selections | grep locale |
| 04:10.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | or perhaps more accurately debconf-get-selections | grep ^locale |
| 04:10.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | that seems to pretty much cover it |
| 04:11.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | z1y, actually that seems to me simpler than I though :) |
| 04:11.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | t |
| 04:11.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | if ever I thought about it |
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| 04:33.47 | z1y | @CutMeOwnThroat: Couldn't get it to work right now. The problem is due to "priority" (?) of debconf. madduck said in http://www.debianhelp.org/node/11008 that "It's desired behaviour that the filesystem takes precedence over settings in the database. You thus cannot change the database and rerun dpkg-reconfigure, and that's by design." :) |
| 04:34.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | what's "the filesystem"? |
| 04:34.48 | z1y | he meant stuff in /etc/ |
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| 04:35.10 | z1y | I did this: debconf-get-selections |grep locales > foobar |
| 04:35.36 | z1y | modified the file 'foobar' and brought it into database by : debconf-set-selections foobar |
| 04:35.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's kind of weird |
| 04:35.52 | z1y | finally I tried "dpkg-reconfigure -f noninteractive locales" |
| 04:35.57 | z1y | no effect :) |
| 04:36.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | like in the post |
| 04:36.25 | z1y | the settings in /etc/locale.gen/ took over |
| 04:36.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | I actually this was the intended use of debconf-set-selections |
| 04:37.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | seems you can only use it on a fresh install, when no previous debconf information is present... |
| 04:37.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | which kind of sucks |
| 04:37.23 | z1y | yes, I agree with you... |
| 04:37.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, sorry to lead you on a wrong track there |
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| 04:39.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | hmm |
| 04:39.27 | z1y | @CutMeOwnThroat: ah.. dont' worry. Your helps lead me to something called "Debian's policy". |
| 04:39.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | I wonder |
| 04:39.56 | z1y | and I think it is a "MUST" to follow the policy |
| 04:40.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | would it be possible to run "dpkg --purge locales" possibly with some --force options... like --ignore-deps, then debconf-set-selections, then install the package again? |
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| 04:41.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | I'm not sure what he exactly means with "debconf is a cache, not a registry." |
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| 04:42.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | also... what file in /etc takes precedence? |
| 04:42.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | obviously debconf changes stuff in /etc... that's its job |
| 04:42.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | (if the files haven't been changed by the user) |
| 04:43.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, seems then the easiest really is to edit locale.gen which seems to be the associated file |
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| 04:53.35 | z1y | yes, madduck meant that /etc takes precedence. I've try to use "--purge" to delete all config/files of "locales" package. After reinstalling, the problem is the same (cant' restore from "foobar" which is updated from output of debconf-get-selections). :( Seem the easiest way is to update /etc/localge.gen . |
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| 04:54.11 | z1y | s/I've try/I've tried/ |
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| 04:56.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually debian policy is to not change files in /etc that a user touched, I thought |
| 04:57.37 | rryouumaa | i wonder if any of you know an algorithm or program for the following problem: you change one word in a paragraph and refill. then diff thinks lots of lines changed. but you want diff to show just the one little change. i only know of wdiff. |
| 04:58.53 | karlpinc | rryouumaa: What's wrong with wdiff? |
| 04:59.10 | z1y | CutMeOwnThroat: hmm i see. The policy is so strict ... |
| 04:59.19 | rryouumaa | karlpinc: well, there are cases when you want diff output as it is normally done, except for paragraphs |
| 04:59.34 | tapper | there's probably an IDE that will track changes/show version differences more easily |
| 04:59.39 | rryouumaa | wdiff doesn't do diff -u afair |
| 04:59.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | z1y, my point was... you didn't really touch the stuff in /etc/ yourself, so changing it should be fine? |
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| 05:04.25 | z1y | CutMeOwnThroat: I don't really understand your question (oops, my bad english). I just need a way to simplify the deployment task (touching /etc/ isn't a problem). The fact is that "dpkg-reconfigure" touch many files/configurations and it's very handy if "dpkg-reconfigure" prints what it did -- such things can be replayed on another host :) |
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| 05:05.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | z1y, it wasn't a question to you exactly... I was more saying something like... I don't see that the guy in that post is right |
| 05:06.08 | MACscr | ok, if i installed a package like so: dpkg -i kerio-connect-7.0.2-1538-linux.deb, why cant i just simply uninstall it with 'dpkg -r kerio-connect-7.0.2-1538-linux.deb'? It gives me the error: dpkg: you must specify packages by their own names, not by quoting the names of the files they come in |
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| 05:07.21 | z1y | CutMeOwnThroat: ah... I see :) |
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| 05:07.42 | Pingfloyd | try dpkg -r kerio-connect |
| 05:08.01 | karlpinc | MACscr: I imageine that the reason is to make dpkg independent upon the name of the file in which the package is stored. |
| 05:08.07 | karlpinc | s/upon/of/ |
| 05:08.10 | Pingfloyd | -r has pkg for argument not pkg_file |
| 05:08.18 | MACscr | Pingfloyd: thanks |
| 05:08.24 | MACscr | that seemed to do it |
| 05:08.45 | Pingfloyd | MACscr: side note: you could opt to use apt-get remove instead if you wanted |
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| 05:08.51 | z1y | CutMeOwnThroat: thank you for your helps and discussion. I have to go now. See you later. |
| 05:08.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | b |
| 05:09.04 | MACscr | karlpinc: i come from a rpm background, so i didnt know any better. thanks! |
| 05:09.07 | Pingfloyd | MACscr: even though you manually installed a pkg_file via dpkg |
| 05:10.42 | karlpinc | MACscr: You probably want to be using aptitude instead of dpkg. |
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| 05:11.44 | MACscr | karlpinc: it works for local files too? |
| 05:11.59 | MACscr | sry, i have very little debian experience and only a small amount of ubuntu experience |
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| 05:12.19 | karlpinc | MACscr: No. But as a new user you should get all your software from the debian repos. |
| 05:12.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's easier... it's actually amazingly easy :) |
| 05:12.43 | MACscr | karlpinc: its a commercial app, so i doubt its in a repo somewhere =P |
| 05:13.15 | Pingfloyd | MACscr: at least you're installing .debs |
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| 05:14.46 | karlpinc | MACscr: Thing is, debian does all the systems integration on the software in the repos. You're on your own with anything else. |
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| 05:15.44 | MACscr | karlpinc: its a commercial app, i have no choice, so i understand that im on my own |
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| 05:22.42 | karlpinc | MACscr: I understand. I've been recently ranting: http://techthrob.com/2010/06/12/5-things-new-linux-converts-should-know/comment-page-1/#comment-3443 |
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| 05:24.26 | MACscr | karlpinc: i might be new to debian, but ive been using linux servers for about 8 years now and have 26 of them, so im not a total noob, though i wouldnt consider myself a sys admin |
| 05:24.31 | craigevil | MACscr: what is the app? rather than using dpkg install and use gdebi it will check the depends and if they are in the repos install them |
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| 05:24.50 | MACscr | craigevil: its the kerio connect mailserver |
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| 05:28.39 | karlpinc | much prefers postfix |
| 05:29.49 | MACscr | karlpinc: postfix is good, but it doesnt do all the extra stuff alone that i need for my clients like activesync, shared calendars, webmail, etc |
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| 05:30.52 | Bop | does anyone know how to add memtest86 to grub ? |
| 05:31.07 | lindenle | Hi guys, trying to build the unstable version wine, is there a way to install 32 bit dev libraries in an amd64 debian install? |
| 05:32.23 | dv- | there's a bunch of lib32* packages |
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| 05:32.38 | karlpinc | Bop: Last I tried installing the package added it to grub. |
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| 05:33.11 | Bop | karlpinc, here it wont load , reboots , so im trying to install manually |
| 05:33.28 | karlpinc | Bop: I did memtest86+. |
| 05:33.52 | lindenle | dv-: yeah but i need stuff like libmpeg and such |
| 05:33.58 | lindenle | dv-: which I don't see |
| 05:34.45 | lindenle | in the lib32 list |
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| 05:36.05 | gnufun | Hello, I just did a new install of Debian Lenny on a Compaq Presario 2210us. I am having trouble getting the wifi working. I followed the instructions on http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi I installed what I thought was the correct driver for my laptop(b43) and I know I am getting close because the light on my wireless card is now lit. I did wlan0 up but when I click on the networking icon on the panel, none of the wireless networks in th |
| 05:36.31 | Bop | karlpinc, me too |
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| 05:50.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | ah, why did I start looking it up, he's gorn |
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| 05:55.31 | craigevil | lindenle: tried using the wine repo? deb http://www.lamaresh.net/apt sid main the instructions are at http://www.winehq.org/download/deblenny |
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| 06:08.09 | lmaowaffle | hello. is there a roadmap for squeeze release that I can look at? |
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| 06:09.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | no |
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| 06:10.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | those roadmaps are an ubuntu thing... |
| 06:10.44 | lmaowaffle | no experience with ubuntu |
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| 06:10.59 | lmaowaffle | call it what you will |
| 06:11.11 | chant | I'm having issues with a udev rule not firing at boot - only when I type udevadm trigger |
| 06:11.30 | chant | I'm sure that its not firing at boot cause I added a command to echo >> to a file |
| 06:11.34 | chant | any ideas? |
| 06:11.42 | chant | its for a PCIE video card. |
| 06:11.47 | lmaowaffle | chant: paste your rule |
| 06:12.08 | chant | DRIVER=="radeon", WAIT_FOR=="power_profile", ATTR{power_profile}="low", RUN+="/bin/sh -c 'echo fired >> /dev/crappo'" |
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| 06:12.34 | craigevil | lmaowaffle: you can look at the wiki it has some info, http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSqueeze |
| 06:12.43 | lmaowaffle | craigevil: thanks |
| 06:13.02 | chant | it works when I do udevadm trigger |
| 06:13.04 | chant | but not at boot :( |
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| 06:13.13 | Cityscape | Help Linux users get itunes. You can sign the petition here: http://www.petitiononline.com/itmslin/petition.html |
| 06:13.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | lmaowaffle, you might look at http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ |
| 06:13.55 | lmaowaffle | CutMeOwnThroat: i might |
| 06:13.57 | cydork | Cityscape, no one cares.. |
| 06:14.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | or you might not |
| 06:14.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | not that I care :) |
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| 06:14.25 | Cityscape | A lot of iPod users care |
| 06:14.27 | lmaowaffle | i got that impression from the start |
| 06:14.29 | chant | so no ideas on the udev rule, eh? |
| 06:14.29 | lmaowaffle | :/ |
| 06:14.41 | Cityscape | a lot won't switch to linux without it. |
| 06:14.47 | cydork | Cityscape, still it's off-topic here.. |
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| 06:15.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | you see those down-spikes... that should be previous releases |
| 06:15.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | !release history |
| 06:15.46 | dpkg | Debian releases have always been named after characters from the movie "Toy Story". Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-03-09), Potato(2.2; 2000-08-15), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1; 2005-06-06), Etch(4.0; 2007-04-08), Lenny(5.0; 2009-02-14). The next release will be Squeeze. See also http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-ftparchives.html. |
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| 06:17.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | also, my 'i' is already tuned |
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| 06:36.01 | JasonWoof | anybody have experience with offlineimap? I had great success with it years ago, but now I can't get it to upload messages, it just deletes the ones I add locally |
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| 06:36.49 | JasonWoof | I used it to download my gmail archive, then changed the settings to connect to my new gmail account |
| 06:36.57 | JasonWoof | and when I run it again, it deletes all my mail locally |
| 06:37.16 | JasonWoof | I tried again, but this time deleted ~/.offlineimap/ but it gave the same results |
| 06:37.21 | simonrvn | fuck itunes |
| 06:37.37 | simonrvn | (scrollback) |
| 06:38.01 | simonrvn | i used that recently but i don't know if it syncs the other way (up) |
| 06:38.10 | simonrvn | haven't had a chance to yet ;p |
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| 06:38.30 | JasonWoof | then I thought I'd be all smart, and start with empty maildirs locally, and sync with the new account, then offlineimap sync that, then copy all my messages into my local folders, and run offlineimap again. I figured it must then realize that the messages I've added are new, and upload them, but alas, it deleted them again |
| 06:38.44 | jaggz | can I change the size of the font in konqueror's LEFT panel? (the directory tree) |
| 06:38.46 | JasonWoof | simonrvn: it did a few years ago |
| 06:39.00 | JasonWoof | I thought that was the whole selling point of offlineimap (that it's two way) |
| 06:39.41 | simonrvn | this is a new set up, so i don't know if it works as "advetised" yet |
| 06:39.47 | simonrvn | advert* |
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| 06:44.52 | tgywa | What are the most common(most important) parameters one has to set for a mail relay server based on postfix? |
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| 06:54.36 | jmarsden | tgywa: Probably mydomain, mydestination and mynetworks. But you'll probably get a better answer in #postfix |
| 06:55.18 | tgywa | jmarsden, thanks |
| 06:55.31 | jmarsden | You're welcome |
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| 06:57.02 | jaggz | why does everything have to be such a pain in the ass |
| 06:57.20 | jaggz | like we have not had these systems for enough years that setting font sizes should not be standard? |
| 06:57.37 | PandaCatcheur | hi |
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| 07:02.33 | tgywa | if I setup myorgin paremer, will that affect the mails being relayed from some other hosts? or will it change only the domains of the mails originating from that host? |
| 07:03.09 | Shadur | ... Dammit. mutter/gnome3 has some kind of bug with glx3 that makes the latest version in sid unusable on my work comp. |
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| 07:05.12 | jmarsden | tgywa: It will (I think) affect the Received: header that the relay machine adds to mail as it passes through... but try it and see :) |
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| 07:26.44 | puckyd | does anybody else have problems with his thinkpad t60 and the new squeeze-kernel? |
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| 07:28.43 | puckyd | especially with the driver of his ati x1300 gfx-card? |
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| 07:33.08 | rvsjoen | which driver |
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| 07:34.46 | streuner | !ati |
| 07:34.46 | dpkg | To use an ATI graphics card with Debian, ask me about <radeon>, <radeonhd>, <fglrx>. See also <radeon vs radeonhd>. Installing proprietary drivers from amd.com (i.e. with the ATI Driver Installer) is not supported in #debian, please go to #ati (irc.freenode.net). |
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| 07:39.09 | NIMA | i can not change any attr of my wireless device ? driver is loaded , what can i do ? |
| 07:39.30 | puckyd | Im talking about radeon, the free driver. it flickers! |
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| 07:44.48 | kingston | -------> /server 178.63.232.138 6665 |
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| 07:47.23 | NIMA | what happen to udevinfo in testing ? |
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| 07:50.28 | Utopic | hi all |
| 07:50.44 | Utopic | do you know if there's some problem with voice on squeeze pidgin package 2.7.1? |
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| 07:50.51 | Utopic | I can see the menu, but it is disabled, greyed |
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| 07:51.58 | Voldenet | you mean what |
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| 07:52.09 | Voldenet | that you cant give voice on random IRC channel? |
| 07:52.35 | Utopic | IRC? |
| 07:52.39 | Utopic | no, XMPP protocol |
| 07:52.43 | Voldenet | Ah. |
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| 07:55.39 | Utopic | I think the problem is with farsight debian version |
| 07:56.55 | feisar | Hi, could someone explain why in at debian-news.net it states "The latter means that Squeeze will release with GNOME 2.30 along with the already transitioned KDE 4.4.3." when I got an update to KDE 4.4.4 this morning? |
| 07:58.12 | nsadmin | must be old news... |
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| 07:58.34 | feisar | it's dated June 14th, 2010 |
| 07:58.40 | nsadmin | are you running squeeze? |
| 07:58.47 | feisar | yeah |
| 07:59.10 | nsadmin | contact the author |
| 07:59.22 | feisar | ok |
| 07:59.39 | feisar | it's no biggie really just confused me! |
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| 07:59.54 | General_Jung | how is command to set the keyboard variants ? cmd -variant nodeadkeys ,etc .. |
| 07:59.57 | nsadmin | it's either a typo or a miscommunication |
| 07:59.57 | feisar | what is the trunk kernel? |
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| 08:00.20 | nsadmin | dunno, I'm not running one |
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| 08:02.22 | nsadmin | pretty much anything that says what squeeze will release with, is a guess... squeeze isn't frozen yet |
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| 08:02.45 | feisar | nsadmin: ok cheers |
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| 08:08.29 | ethanol | mornin' people |
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| 08:10.24 | lmaowaffle | hello. how can i tell which font rendering types are currently active (by default) on my squeeze system? |
| 08:10.35 | lmaowaffle | i'm trying to optimize font display for my LCD screen |
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| 08:11.39 | lmaowaffle | General_Jung: man setxkbmap |
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| 08:12.11 | lmaowaffle | General_Jung: http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/Configuring_keyboards |
| 08:12.39 | General_Jung | thx |
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| 08:21.06 | feisar | hi blkid doesn't list all my hard drives. why would that be? |
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| 08:26.57 | FDfh | I just installed apache2 (and php5), but when I try to view a php file on my localhost, it tries to download the file, not execute/view it |
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| 08:43.50 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 08:43.50 | dpkg | <mhall> sanmarcos: i'm beginning to wonder about the size of the clue-free zone in which you live <sanmarcos> mhall: huh? <sanmarcos> clue-free ? <sanmarcos> i.e "have no clue" |
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| 08:46.43 | {g} | Hey Debian! Is it possible to combine the + and the * clipboards, so that they behave as clipboard? I would like to make vim use the same clipboard as X, but vim only supports making the * register the default clipboard. |
| 08:47.17 | lindi- | {g}: + and * clipboards? |
| 08:48.01 | lindi- | {g}: there's only one X clipboard, two selections and 8 cut buffers |
| 08:48.22 | {g} | lindi-: well, ok. maybe i mean selections then. |
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| 08:48.42 | {g} | or cut buffer |
| 08:48.52 | lindi- | {g}: better figure out what you want first :) |
| 08:49.01 | {g} | I would like vim to use the same thingy that other apps use when i do CTRL+C. |
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| 08:49.16 | {g} | At the moment I have to type "+ all the time. |
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| 08:51.40 | iceroot | {g}: ctrl +c on the shell is not the best idea |
| 08:53.12 | {g} | iceroot: i use CTRL+C in Gnome apps like Firefox. And would like to paste into vim without having to prefix it with "+ |
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| 08:55.20 | iceroot | {g}: shift + insert is not what you want? |
| 08:57.13 | {g} | iceroot: what do you mean with "insert"? i paste in vim with "p". |
| 08:57.13 | lindi- | iceroot: does it use clipboard? |
| 08:57.14 | iceroot | {g}: the insert-key |
| 08:57.36 | iceroot | {g}: shift + insert is pasting what i have in the clipboard from x |
| 08:57.39 | {g} | iceroot: where is the insert key? i use "p" in vim and "CTRL+V" in Firefox. |
| 08:57.53 | iceroot | {g}: next to the "delete" key |
| 08:58.03 | lindi- | iceroot: at least in gnome-terminal that pastes the primary selection |
| 08:58.29 | lindi- | iceroot: and shift-ctrl-V pastes the clipboard |
| 08:58.37 | {g} | iceroot: on the left of my "delete" key there is nothing. on the right there is a key with "end" on it. i think it scrolls to the bottom of a document. |
| 08:58.39 | iceroot | lindi-: ah ok |
| 08:58.55 | lindi- | iki.fi/lindi/xcutselprint to see contents of all these buffers |
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| 08:58.59 | {g} | iceroot: oh, above the "delete" key there is an "insert" key. |
| 08:59.22 | {g} | iceroot: but i really would get mad, having to switch to that one. |
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| 09:13.04 | kripz | How does debian/linux handle faulty memory? What symptoms will i notice? |
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| 09:14.10 | ckone | kripz: kernel panics, system freezes, zombie processes... depends ;-) |
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| 09:14.32 | kripz | ckone, will i be notified or mailed? |
| 09:14.54 | petemc | it may show up in the logs |
| 09:15.07 | petemc | or it may not, and things are just silently corrupted |
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| 09:15.19 | petemc | ecc helps |
| 09:15.38 | kripz | dam |
| 09:15.46 | kripz | anyone online mem test programs? |
| 09:15.52 | iceroot | kripz: normally you dont get a mail saying "hey your memory is broken" your system will crash |
| 09:15.59 | iceroot | kripz: memtest on the cds |
| 09:16.15 | kripz | iceroot, that is a offline test though? |
| 09:16.23 | iceroot | kripz: sure |
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| 09:16.51 | iceroot | kripz: boot with the cd, its not starting your system, just starting memtest |
| 09:17.15 | jelly-home | petemc: it still makes me wonder who's going to buy a 512 Atom core 10U server when Atom doesn't support ECC |
| 09:17.29 | kripz | iceroot, i mean i need an online mem test program to run on a live server so i dont have to take it down |
| 09:17.39 | petemc | jelly-home: good point |
| 09:17.57 | zcat[1] | I don't think you can test memory on a 'live' machine |
| 09:18.09 | iceroot | kripz: you have to bring it down |
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| 09:18.21 | kripz | surely the program could reserve x ammount of unused ram and test it =\ |
| 09:18.24 | kripz | ill google. |
| 09:18.32 | zcat[1] | lol, ok |
| 09:18.40 | jelly-home | kripz: that'd be hardly an exhaustive check |
| 09:19.29 | jelly-home | kripz: but if you wish, there's a "memtest" package that does exactly that. (note: contrast with memtest86 and memtest86+ are offline tools to be booted into) |
| 09:19.47 | kripz | ill try memtest before memtest86 :) |
| 09:19.48 | kripz | thanks. |
| 09:20.04 | zcat[1] | although perhaps someone could write a program to do that.. can linux give programs access to a specific bit of physical ram, and move things about as required so a program could test all of it one block at a time |
| 09:20.06 | zcat[1] | ? |
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| 09:21.11 | zcat[1] | memtester - A utility for testing the memory subsystem |
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| 09:21.45 | zcat[1] | And if you find some and don't want to replace it right away; kernel-patch-badram - Kernel patch allowing to use partly-bad RAM modules |
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| 09:23.27 | ckone | zcat[1]: does that work with virtualization? |
| 09:25.07 | zcat[1] | I'm still reading up on memtester. Seems pretty limited, you can't test any memory that's already being used by the kernel or other programs for example.. and I have no idea what kind of access a VM gets to actual memory.. probably none of this stuff will work inside a VM |
| 09:25.24 | ckone | well, i had a host running vmware with broken memory and all my virtual guests had strange behaviour (linux guests: kernel panics, windows guests: bsod etc.) |
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| 09:26.11 | zcat[1] | If you mapped it out from the host oss that memory wouldn't be offered to the VM's I guess... |
| 09:26.20 | zcat[1] | host OS I mean |
| 09:26.33 | ckone | would be a very good workaround for a 'quick' solution |
| 09:26.46 | proserion | Good day everyone, is there a man for the dau how to backup a server |
| 09:26.50 | zcat[1] | for a remote host it might be necessary... |
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| 09:27.07 | zcat[1] | not sure how you'd identify the faulty memory to be mapped out though |
| 09:27.27 | zcat[1] | For anything you have access to it's probably easier to just buy some ram |
| 09:27.35 | ckone | of course |
| 09:27.54 | proserion | where? |
| 09:28.25 | zcat[1] | man rsync |
| 09:28.48 | zcat[1] | or tar ... or whatever tool you want to use |
| 09:29.13 | ckone | faulty memory is always bugging though |
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| 09:30.25 | zcat[1] | sleeptime I think |
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| 09:43.13 | pif | hi, what is the package to install a base system? |
| 09:43.20 | pif | not the installer |
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| 09:43.33 | pif | just the files |
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| 09:48.27 | nsadmin | pif: the base is installed from packages, so find them and list their files |
| 09:48.57 | pif | there is a script to install a base system |
| 09:49.24 | nsadmin | you mean debootstrap? |
| 09:49.35 | pif | yea! |
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| 09:49.55 | nsadmin | that also installs from the packages |
| 09:50.10 | pif | sure |
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| 09:54.35 | nsadmin | pif, was that what you wanted, or was there somethign else? |
| 09:54.52 | pif | no, it's fine thanks |
| 09:55.05 | nsadmin | good enuf |
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| 10:12.50 | {g} | Hello Debian! I have to create a 10gig file with zeros on a sshfs directory. Is there a faster way then "dd if=/dev/zero of=file BS=1M count=1000" ? Because that takes a VERY long time over the net. |
| 10:13.31 | petemc | ssh to the machine and do it |
| 10:13.33 | nsadmin | can't you ssh into the machien? |
| 10:14.24 | tuxpenguin | hi |
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| 10:15.14 | {g} | petemc, nsadmin: strangely the host allows sshfs but ssh fails to connect. |
| 10:15.21 | tuxpenguin | can I share my mobile broadband connection with debian over ethernet and wifi? |
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| 10:15.35 | petemc | tuxpenguin: yes |
| 10:15.38 | jelly-home | {g}: can it be a sparse file or do you require it to take 10GB of disk space? |
| 10:16.01 | {g} | jelly-home: i dont know what a sparse file is. but i think it needs to take 10GB of disk space. |
| 10:16.02 | frostschutz | {g}: you can try: dd if=/dev/zero of=file bs=1M count=0 seek=1000 - if it works, it'll be a sparse file that looks like 10GB of zeroes, but without those zeroes actually being allocated on disk |
| 10:16.06 | tuxpenguin | i've tried to use iptables but it doesn't share anything... |
| 10:16.21 | petemc | tuxpenguin: ipmasq should work |
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| 10:16.36 | frostschutz | {g}: is it a webhost, then you could write the file on server using php/perl/... |
| 10:16.47 | {g} | frostschutz: yes, i will try that one. |
| 10:16.54 | jelly-home | frostschutz: that's one GB. |
| 10:16.59 | frostschutz | right |
| 10:17.01 | jelly-home | dd if=/dev/zero of=10GiB bs=1M seek=10240 count=0 |
| 10:17.03 | frostschutz | I'll let you do the math |
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| 10:17.43 | jelly-home | {g}: what is the file going to be used for? |
| 10:18.05 | {g} | jelly-home: a container for a loopback device |
| 10:18.35 | jelly-home | ask your privder to create it? |
| 10:18.43 | jelly-home | provider, eh |
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| 10:19.05 | frostschutz | you can't write a file on the server directly but you're able to loopback em? *scratches head* |
| 10:19.21 | frostschutz | loopback mount over sshfs is ugly & slow & unreliable :) |
| 10:19.22 | {g} | jelly-home: haha, companies these days do not have employes. they only have hardware and software :) |
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| 10:20.10 | TheBase | hello |
| 10:21.01 | TheBase | Does anybody know how can I set PolicyKit to accept the current user's password instead of root when the current user has sudo permission? |
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| 10:25.45 | nsadmin | {g}, so you want to create what in there, a whole system? |
| 10:26.08 | {g} | frostschutz: i have good experiences with loopback over sshfs |
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| 10:26.37 | frostschutz | good for you ... ;) |
| 10:26.41 | {g} | nsadmin: what do you mean with "whole system"? |
| 10:26.57 | frostschutz | hope you never lose connection |
| 10:27.54 | {g} | jelly-home: still not sure how the "seek" method you proposed differs from the one that writes a billion zeros to disk. the seek thingy will not reduce the disk space by 1 gig? |
| 10:30.37 | tuxpenguin | is there a guide for ipmasq? |
| 10:30.43 | frostschutz | {g}: you don't want sparse files for filesystems actually, it'll fragment horribly |
| 10:31.14 | nsadmin | tuxpenguin: it's pretty simple. you set up your interfaces in /etc/network/interfaces, then start ipmasq |
| 10:31.42 | frostschutz | {g}: sparse files are files that don't actually have space allocated on disk, yet a designated file size - space is allocated as you actually write to the file, if you read unwritten parts you'll get zeroes instead |
| 10:31.57 | tuxpenguin | ok |
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| 10:32.45 | nsadmin | ipmasq reads output of things like ifconfig and route |
| 10:33.56 | {g} | frostschutz: but they decrease the free disk space right from the start, right? |
| 10:34.04 | frostschutz | {g}: no |
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| 10:34.44 | {g} | frostschutz: uh? i can write to the beginning of a 10gb file and to the end but then when i want to write to the middle, the partition might be full and it doesnt work? |
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| 10:34.55 | jelly-home | {g}: exactly |
| 10:35.21 | {g} | crazy stuff |
| 10:35.30 | tuxpenguin | nsadmin, does it work with devices like ppp0? |
| 10:35.39 | nsadmin | yep |
| 10:35.49 | {g} | so what would the file-size display of a file where i put something at the beginning and something at position 10000000000? |
| 10:36.19 | frostschutz | {g}: ls would display the full file size, du would display the actually allocated space for it |
| 10:36.21 | jelly-home | {g}: always the same apparent size, but disk usage will vary (du) |
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| 10:36.41 | nsadmin | ipmasq knows how to examine your interfaces. one thing it finds out is which interfaces are internal and which are external |
| 10:37.01 | {g} | frostschutz, jelly-home: crazy stuff. |
| 10:37.08 | nsadmin | one thing, if your IP changes, you will need to restart ipmasq |
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| 10:40.19 | tuxpenguin | so I have to create something like a daemon which controls the activity of wvdial and if wvdial loses the connection, it restarts both wvdial and ipmasq |
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| 10:42.44 | petemc | if ping -c 1 8.8.8.8 then.... |
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| 10:51.46 | tuxpenguin | nsadmin, i've started ipmasq but the network (except the debian pc where the internet key is attached and dhcp and ipmasq are running) can't still reach internet |
| 10:52.28 | nsadmin | ok, stop ipmasq for a sec |
| 10:52.37 | nsadmin | are the interfaces up? |
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| 10:52.49 | tuxpenguin | yes |
| 10:53.12 | tuxpenguin | the interfaces are eth0 and ppp0 (with wvdial) |
| 10:53.29 | nsadmin | ok, and ppp0 has a default route? |
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| 10:53.55 | tuxpenguin | i think that it is set automatically by wvdial |
| 10:54.08 | nsadmin | agreed... does it have one? |
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| 10:54.27 | nsadmin | you can type route or route -n to find otu |
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| 10:55.53 | tuxpenguin | nsadmin, yes |
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| 10:56.05 | nsadmin | and eth0 does not have a default route? |
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| 10:57.49 | tuxpenguin | eth0 has 192.168.1.0 |
| 10:58.10 | tuxpenguin | and 169.254.0.0 |
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| 10:58.24 | nsadmin | two addresses? why? |
| 10:58.32 | tuxpenguin | i don't know |
| 10:58.41 | jelly-home | because it's the default |
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| 10:58.56 | jelly-home | avahi likes itself a link-local ip address, I think |
| 10:58.57 | tuxpenguin | ppp0 has default and 10.64.64.64 |
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| 11:00.40 | nsadmin | ok, so can you ping (say) yahoo.com from the machine you would run ipmasq on? |
| 11:01.18 | adzi | I can't connect to any wifi network, I have debian + wicd, with eth0 I can connect without problems, but with wifi I have in logs http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=JMPVCvih |
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| 11:01.44 | tuxpenguin | yes |
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| 11:02.14 | nsadmin | what is your name for the machine you pinged from, or a name you make up now |
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| 11:02.50 | tuxpenguin | the name of the machine? |
| 11:02.57 | nsadmin | yeah |
| 11:03.35 | tuxpenguin | debian |
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| 11:03.52 | nsadmin | ok, can you ping debian from the inside machines? |
| 11:04.23 | tuxpenguin | yes |
| 11:04.31 | adzi | do you know any good network manager for debian/gnome? |
| 11:04.49 | adzi | do you know any good network manager for debian/gnome? wicd is shit... ceni dont have settings for login and password to wifi network |
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| 11:05.05 | nsadmin | adzi: understanding the text config files |
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| 11:05.22 | nsadmin | you don't need anything else than that |
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| 11:05.42 | adzi | i need progz, i dont have life to edit it manualy |
| 11:05.46 | adzi | every time when i switch network |
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| 11:07.30 | nsadmin | tuxpenguin, start ipmasq again |
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| 11:07.44 | icebrain | adzi: try wicd |
| 11:07.50 | icebrain | oh, sorry |
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| 11:08.04 | nsadmin | then see if debian can still ping yahoo.com and internal machines can still ping debian |
| 11:08.07 | icebrain | why don't you like wicd? |
| 11:08.20 | sidh | Greetings |
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| 11:08.28 | icebrain | !greet sidh |
| 11:08.28 | dpkg | Howdy, sidh |
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| 11:08.41 | nsadmin | !greet greet |
| 11:08.41 | dpkg | Howdy, greet |
| 11:08.58 | tuxpenguin | nsadmin, debian can ping yahoo.com |
| 11:09.14 | icebrain | adzi: what's wrong with wicd? |
| 11:09.20 | nsadmin | ok, can internal machines ping debian? |
| 11:09.35 | tuxpenguin | yes |
| 11:09.58 | nsadmin | ok, what happens when internal machines try to ping yahoo.com? |
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| 11:10.15 | sidh | I try to setup alsa with squeeze (x86) with my pci CMI8738 card (it has a default one on the mobo) |
| 11:10.15 | nsadmin | you'll need to be fairly precise about this |
| 11:10.24 | sidh | so i do /etc/init.d/alsa-utils start CMI8738 |
| 11:10.52 | sidh | but once i run speaker-test, it seems the default (mobo) one is still used |
| 11:11.28 | sidh | as there is no more alsaconf, i would like to know how can I set this ? |
| 11:11.32 | tuxpenguin | nsadmin, the internal machines cannot ping yahoo.com |
| 11:11.32 | nsadmin | sidh: look at /proc/asound/cards |
| 11:12.05 | nsadmin | tuxpenguin, we know that already... the question I pose is, precisely what happens? |
| 11:12.23 | eshat | sidh: just change the index parameter, when th emodules are loaded in /etc/modprobe/alsa.conf |
| 11:12.47 | sidh | nsadmin: yes the CMI8738 has number 2 |
| 11:12.52 | tuxpenguin | ping says that it cannot reach yahoo.com |
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| 11:14.06 | nsadmin | ok, when you pinged yahoo,com from debian, it told you an ip address, yes? |
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| 11:14.34 | tuxpenguin | yes |
| 11:15.06 | nsadmin | try pinging the corresponding numberic IP from the internal machine |
| 11:15.27 | sidh | eshat: you mean a line like this 'options cmi8738 index=0' ? |
| 11:16.05 | nsadmin | you may have another card that somehow insists on index 0 |
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| 11:16.27 | nsadmin | or maybe not |
| 11:16.45 | tuxpenguin | nsadmin, transmission failed (soyy, I can't tell you the precise error in English because the machines' locale is set to Italian) |
| 11:16.50 | tuxpenguin | *sorry |
| 11:16.54 | sidh | nsadmin: the ICH7 one seems to do so , but alsa-base.conf doesn't have any index=0 entry |
| 11:17.06 | Trengo | hello, i cant find how to force noarp in /etc/network/interfaces, am i missing something? |
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| 11:17.11 | sidh | for the moment |
| 11:17.27 | nsadmin | ok, fire up a new shell on the internal machine and type export LANG=c |
| 11:17.35 | nsadmin | then try the ping again |
| 11:18.33 | sidh | lsmod list a snd_cmipci, i 'd bet that the one i have to index=0 |
| 11:19.14 | nsadmin | after you set the indexes, you have to arrange to unload the modules and reload them |
| 11:19.23 | nsadmin | then look at /proc/asound/cards |
| 11:20.31 | adzi | there is any good network manager for debian gnome? NO wicd and NO network-manager-gnome because with this both i have problems |
| 11:22.24 | abrotman | wifiradar? |
| 11:23.56 | nsadmin | tuxpenguin, ? |
| 11:25.18 | tuxpenguin | nsadmin, sorry. connect: Network is unreachable |
| 11:25.26 | tuxpenguin | from a linux internal machine |
| 11:25.33 | nsadmin | hmm. |
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| 11:25.45 | nsadmin | on debian, what is output of uname -r? |
| 11:26.08 | tuxpenguin | 2.6.26-2-686 |
| 11:26.22 | nsadmin | wow... plain ol lenny |
| 11:26.43 | nsadmin | ok, there is a way to specify the external interface to ipmasq |
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| 11:28.11 | tuxpenguin | how can I do this? |
| 11:28.20 | sidh | nsadmin: now the CMI card is the default, but when i run speaker-test, it "spit" on the speaker but no sound |
| 11:28.52 | nsadmin | tuxpenguin, what is output of default-if? |
| 11:29.56 | tuxpenguin | nsadmin, ppp0 |
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| 11:30.05 | nsadmin | sidh: I don't have further info about your card... but, glad you have the card you want as default |
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| 11:31.52 | General_Jung | is there a way to start the deb-installer after standard installation ? |
| 11:31.58 | nsadmin | tuxpenguin, now try enumerate-if |
| 11:32.00 | sidh | yes what is strange is that it "spit" on the right speaker, but no sound, as if something like aplay or something like was missing |
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| 11:32.45 | nsadmin | General_Jung: yes, by booting the installer |
| 11:32.56 | nsadmin | (but why would you want to?) |
| 11:33.03 | tuxpenguin | nsadmin, eth0 lo ppp0 wlan0 wmaster0 |
| 11:33.15 | sidh | ok i found , it was a speaker-test option (-t wav) |
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| 11:33.20 | sidh | feel ashamed |
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| 11:33.47 | nsadmin | sidh, don't do that to yourself... I didn't know it either |
| 11:33.49 | General_Jung | a friend got problems with the sound also and I suggest to restart the installer |
| 11:33.57 | General_Jung | because I can get any remote access |
| 11:34.07 | nsadmin | remote?? |
| 11:34.10 | General_Jung | he live kms away |
| 11:34.39 | nsadmin | oic |
| 11:34.46 | nsadmin | you can't ssh to him |
| 11:34.46 | General_Jung | yea I can help him I still don´t know phonon an it is quite unhandy to do that via tele |
| 11:35.04 | General_Jung | but that doesn´t met the requirement we could get the X11 server connection work |
| 11:35.09 | nsadmin | do you both have dsl or cable? |
| 11:35.13 | General_Jung | yes |
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| 11:35.29 | nsadmin | you don't need x |
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| 11:36.06 | nsadmin | there's that webx thing, it seemed to work well but I don't know much about it |
| 11:36.08 | General_Jung | I only have expirence with the old alsconf |
| 11:36.13 | General_Jung | alsaconf method |
| 11:36.20 | nsadmin | what if he does that? |
| 11:36.41 | nsadmin | for that, you just need to ssh to him, no x necessary |
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| 11:37.02 | General_Jung | He cam from windows and even forget that tha ls is for listing |
| 11:37.13 | General_Jung | Its quite unproductive to do that |
| 11:37.14 | tuxpenguin | nsadmin, now what is the next step? |
| 11:37.54 | nsadmin | tuxpenguin, seems we've gone down every road... |
| 11:38.16 | nsadmin | try this... |
| 11:38.30 | nsadmin | first, is anything else on your machine using iptables? |
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| 11:39.57 | tuxpenguin | this morning i've tried to set iptables to forward the traffic from ppp0 to eth0 |
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| 11:40.47 | nsadmin | ok, |
| 11:40.56 | nsadmin | had you rebooted since then? |
| 11:41.09 | tuxpenguin | no |
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| 11:42.41 | nsadmin | ok, |
| 11:42.50 | nsadmin | stop ipmasq |
| 11:43.02 | tuxpenguin | ok |
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| 11:43.15 | nsadmin | (nothing else uses iptables? if true...) |
| 11:43.21 | nsadmin | iptables -F |
| 11:43.43 | tuxpenguin | ok |
| 11:43.50 | nsadmin | then start ipmasq and try to ping out from an internal box |
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| 11:44.59 | dropson | I need a tool for monitoring cpu,network and memory on my server. I see MRTG can two of them. Is there a tool that can do all three? |
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| 11:46.43 | tuxpenguin | nsadmin, ping: unknown host yahoo.com |
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| 11:47.29 | nsadmin | that's a different message... try the ping numerically (it seems to have been successful contacing the name server) |
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| 11:48.34 | tuxpenguin | connect: Network is unreachable |
| 11:48.43 | nsadmin | hmm. |
| 11:49.12 | nsadmin | ok, stop ipmasq, then take a look at iptables -L |
| 11:50.12 | tuxpenguin | nsadmin, it is empty |
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| 11:50.18 | flo` | hi |
| 11:50.26 | nsadmin | are all the chains on ACCEPT? |
| 11:50.33 | flo` | how can i create a customized initramfs? |
| 11:50.42 | tuxpenguin | yes |
| 11:51.00 | tuxpenguin | (policy ACCEPT) |
| 11:51.09 | badipod | flo`: Recompile your kernel? |
| 11:51.15 | flo` | badipod, wtf? |
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| 11:51.32 | flo` | i'd like to customize the way how / is mounted |
| 11:51.59 | badipod | Compiling the kernel generates the initramfs, that's th only way I know of. |
| 11:53.19 | nsadmin | well no, |
| 11:53.28 | nsadmin | installing the kernel package does that |
| 11:54.19 | badipod | Heh. Alright then *shrug* |
| 11:54.27 | tuxpenguin | is it a good or a bad thing? |
| 11:54.35 | nsadmin | you could look at an existing initramfs |
| 11:54.59 | koollman | mkinitrd generates the initramfs. (that's what is called by the post-compilation scripts of the kernel, or the install script of the kernel package) |
| 11:55.03 | nsadmin | that should be right, then there's input, output and forward? |
| 11:55.20 | badipod | Mmm, right. |
| 11:55.20 | koollman | you can customize it, or make your own, if you wish |
| 11:55.30 | flo` | nsadmin, well, yeah, i know how to change it by dis- and reassembling it. but is there a "clean" way? |
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| 11:55.56 | tuxpenguin | nsadmin, yes, but they are all empty |
| 11:56.29 | jelly-home | flo`: initramfs-tools package is what Debian uses these days, there's some sort of a API and hooks but I don't know the details |
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| 11:58.01 | nsadmin | tuxpenguin: that does sound correct... |
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| 11:59.17 | flo` | well: how can i create a hook or so that changes the way my initramfs mounts / ? |
| 11:59.27 | nsadmin | when ipmasq is started, does iptables -L give you a lot of other stuff? |
| 12:00.32 | fruitwerks | where is the mpm directive configured for apache 2 in Lenny? |
| 12:00.42 | nsadmin | flo`, why would you need to do that? |
| 12:00.58 | flo` | because i want / be a aufs |
| 12:01.16 | nsadmin | so is it an aufs now? |
| 12:01.24 | flo` | no. i want it to be |
| 12:01.36 | flo` | the old initramfs mounts my disk as / |
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| 12:01.51 | flo` | the new one should mount an aufs (consisting of my disk and a tmpfs) as / |
| 12:02.16 | nsadmin | is /boot separate? |
| 12:02.22 | flo` | nsadmin, yes |
| 12:02.36 | nsadmin | and you're running grub? |
| 12:02.36 | flo` | that works in principle, but until now, i booted with break=mount and modified the local script with vi by hand every time |
| 12:02.40 | flo` | nsadmin, yes |
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| 12:03.45 | nsadmin | what fs does /boot have? |
| 12:03.56 | flo` | nsadmin, ext2 |
| 12:04.13 | nsadmin | ok, grub should still work after you do that |
| 12:04.15 | nsadmin | here' |
| 12:04.21 | flo` | well, yes? |
| 12:04.29 | nsadmin | is what I think you could try |
| 12:04.37 | flo` | as i said, i already tried it in "manual mode". it works |
| 12:04.43 | flo` | i only need to do it automatically |
| 12:05.04 | flo` | i need a way to modify the "local" script that gets put into the initramfs |
| 12:05.10 | flo` | how do i accomplish this? |
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| 12:05.29 | nsadmin | so you could get in manually this way now? |
| 12:05.58 | nsadmin | I would try getting in mamually and then running update-initramfs |
| 12:06.29 | flo` | nsadmin, i just need to put my commands into the "local" script (which mounts the local fs) |
| 12:06.34 | flo` | the question is: HOW? |
| 12:06.39 | nsadmin | dunno. |
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| 12:07.10 | tuxpenguin_ | sorry |
| 12:07.14 | nsadmin | I know to run update-initramfs and have it re-look at your system |
| 12:07.14 | tuxpenguin_ | <tuxpenguin> nsadmin, yes, a lot of stuff |
| 12:07.31 | nsadmin | ok, hmm |
| 12:07.49 | tuxpenguin_ | and i've seen my external ip in that stuff |
| 12:07.53 | nsadmin | ok, so the last thing is you have some default address that you don't use right? |
| 12:08.36 | tuxpenguin_ | right |
| 12:08.43 | davis | i am in a bad state trying to upgrade from lenny to sid |
| 12:08.57 | davis | i have a bunch of apt-get -f install problems |
| 12:09.19 | tuxpenguin_ | it seems that ipmasq doesn't redirects the packets from the LAN to the internet |
| 12:09.20 | nsadmin | sid is not an upgrade (even tho the name of the command has "upgrade" in it) |
| 12:09.22 | davis | i do apt-get dist-upgrade, apt-get -f install, etc. and it just loops coninous with problems |
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| 12:09.48 | davis | lots of dependices problems |
| 12:10.01 | jelly-home | flo`: perhaps the kernel channel or d-i channel would have more knowledgeable people |
| 12:10.12 | abrotman | davis: use aptitude |
| 12:10.22 | jelly-home | flo`: #debian-kernel or #debian-boot respectively, both on irc.debian.org (= irc.oftc.net) |
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| 12:10.30 | nsadmin | tuxpenguin_, it does for me... I've been using it for years |
| 12:10.35 | Steven___ | hey does anyone know if this website is ok: http://www.sexy-fussball-wm2010.net/?id=7520190? |
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| 12:10.55 | jelly-home | referer spam, how quaint |
| 12:11.11 | davis | abrotman: thanks aptitude seems to be working |
| 12:11.16 | flo` | i've found a way (i hope): creating a script that patches the script. done =) |
| 12:11.21 | flo` | s/script/hook/ |
| 12:11.24 | abrotman | !tell davis about lenny->squeeze |
| 12:11.25 | davis | i just started it and did g a few times |
| 12:11.34 | davis | it is downloading new stuff now. |
| 12:11.51 | nsadmin | so you have your machine backed up and can restore it easily? |
| 12:12.11 | davis | abortman |
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| 12:12.49 | nsadmin | tuxpenguin, look at the output of iptables -L carefully, see if your desired internal net is mentioned |
| 12:13.15 | tuxpenguin | ok |
| 12:13.59 | nsadmin | see... what ipmasq does, is it "calculates" a firewall |
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| 12:19.48 | gintek | how in debian i can turn off autoatart when OS staring |
| 12:20.04 | gintek | something like chkconfig in RH/Centos |
| 12:20.22 | nsadmin | oh, you mean starting services? |
| 12:20.32 | nsadmin | update-rc.d |
| 12:20.56 | nsadmin | and you may be able to get a chkconfig that works by calling update-rc.d |
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| 12:22.21 | gintek | nsadmin: thx, google help me to find rest |
| 12:22.25 | gintek | :) |
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| 12:22.52 | twantakur | help |
| 12:22.57 | twantakur | i try to install :/etc/apt# apt-get install build-essential |
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| 12:23.16 | twantakur | but result : The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 12:23.25 | nsadmin | try aptitude |
| 12:23.27 | twantakur | Depends: libc6-dev but it is not going to be installed or |
| 12:23.27 | twantakur | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:23.29 | twantakur | ok |
| 12:23.39 | nsadmin | is this lenny? |
| 12:24.09 | abrotman | twantakur: try aptitude .. if it fails put the command and full output in a pastebin |
| 12:24.56 | pingouin | funny, why libc6-dev would not install ? |
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| 12:25.36 | twantakur | http://pastebin.com/sEm7ceU2 |
| 12:25.39 | abrotman | because oyu're missing a source, or perhaps you're mixing versions |
| 12:25.43 | twantakur | i dont know |
| 12:25.53 | twantakur | i am newbie |
| 12:25.57 | abrotman | twantakur: put your sources.list in a pastebin |
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| 12:26.01 | nsadmin | pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 12:26.19 | twantakur | deb http://buaya.klas.or.id/debian lenny main non-free contrib |
| 12:26.26 | abrotman | is there more? |
| 12:26.31 | twantakur | no |
| 12:26.42 | twantakur | ogh |
| 12:26.43 | twantakur | yes |
| 12:26.43 | abrotman | twantakur: add "deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main contrib non-free" |
| 12:26.54 | twantakur | ok |
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| 12:27.36 | abrotman | twantakur: then `aptitude update && aptitude full-upgrade && aptitude install build-essential' |
| 12:27.57 | pingouin | full-upgrade ? |
| 12:28.03 | abrotman | yes |
| 12:28.04 | pingouin | why not an safe-upgrade ? |
| 12:28.08 | nsadmin | tuxpenguin: what did you find |
| 12:28.09 | abrotman | because |
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| 12:28.43 | twantakur | its result E: Package build-essential has no installation candidate |
| 12:28.43 | tuxpenguin | nsadmin, the lan, the internet key and other addresses |
| 12:29.18 | twantakur | nice its works |
| 12:29.24 | twantakur | thanks |
| 12:29.33 | nsadmin | did it mention the 192.168* address anywhere? |
| 12:29.41 | tuxpenguin | yes |
| 12:29.57 | nsadmin | hmm... |
| 12:30.22 | nsadmin | what is the default address that was mentioned earlier again? |
| 12:31.47 | tuxpenguin | nsadmin, what address? |
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| 12:32.05 | nsadmin | what are the addresses on eth0? |
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| 12:33.05 | tuxpenguin | 192.168.1.1 and link-local (169.254.0.0) |
| 12:33.51 | nsadmin | and that has nothing to do with wireless? |
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| 12:34.24 | tuxpenguin | no |
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| 12:34.46 | tuxpenguin | wireless has 192.168.2.1 |
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| 12:35.03 | mns | all right this is a really dumb question: I am in DirA under which I've got DirAB, DirAC, DirAD. I have created a directory ../DirB and would like to copy/move files to it that match: find . -iname "*foo*.bar" but I want the directory structure to be kept. I thought cp -R would do it, but it doesn't seem to be the answer. |
| 12:35.07 | nsadmin | I wonder if (after stopping ipmasq) that link-local address can be removed |
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| 12:36.04 | m3tti | my radeon x1250 doesn't work with the 2.6.32-5 kernel from debian squeeze repo grub has also the nomodeset option in it. It leaves a blackscreen |
| 12:36.09 | m3tti | any suggestions |
| 12:36.16 | rvsjoen | mns: try rsync |
| 12:36.19 | tuxpenguin | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Link-local_address |
| 12:36.54 | mns | rvsjoen: thanks. |
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| 12:39.26 | nsadmin | I know I wouldn't be using ipmasq today if I had as much trouble with it as you are |
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| 12:39.37 | saulo | Hello all, I'm with a problem with PoEdit + gettext here. I have a .po file to translate my systems, In my .po file I have strings like "Hello %s, welcome". See the %s at string. Into Linux I'm unable to create .mo files, but at (argh!) windows machines poedit show a message but create the file. I'm crazy here with this :_( omebody can help me? The message: system_pt_br.po:39: a format... |
| 12:39.39 | saulo | ...specification for argument 1, as in 'msgstr', doesn't exist in 'msgid' |
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| 12:45.16 | davis | i am still stuck on dpkg-dev |
| 12:45.24 | davis | i have tried to use aptitude |
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| 12:45.41 | davis | and it has updated almost everything but it still breaks on dpkg-dev |
| 12:45.47 | davis | i can not remove it or install it |
| 12:46.07 | davis | "dpkg: error processeing dpkg-dev (--remove) |
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| 12:46.32 | davis | Package is in a very bad inconsistend state - you shold reinstall it before attemping a removal |
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| 12:46.39 | davis | yadda yadda |
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| 12:47.33 | codingrobot | what's the result of calling mv without a targer directory? my files somehow disappeared w/o any error msg. |
| 12:47.38 | nsadmin | tuxpenguin... we did everything I can think of, and I have a kernel similar to yours (I did build it but I used the config file from the debian kernel, just changing it to k6) |
| 12:47.59 | nsadmin | so I should have all the same modules you do, etc |
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| 12:48.20 | pipeline | codingrobot: mv will not usually permit that. You must have an unusual 'mv' binary. Busybox or something. |
| 12:48.43 | pipeline | codingrobot: normal behaviour: mv a b c => mv: target `c' is not a directory |
| 12:49.39 | pipeline | davis: dpkg --install /var/cache/apt/archives/dpkg-dev.... |
| 12:49.43 | codingrobot | i'm using zsh and executed mv folder_* |
| 12:49.54 | codingrobot | now every folder_* is gnoe |
| 12:50.00 | codingrobot | s/gnoe/gone |
| 12:50.11 | nsadmin | oh :) |
| 12:50.13 | pipeline | codingrobot: if they're all directories they're all going to be inside of the last item in the list |
| 12:50.24 | nsadmin | you shoudl have done "echo folder_*" first :_) |
| 12:50.33 | pipeline | codingrobot: also zsh is weird, who the hell knows what it does. Probably replaces mv :D |
| 12:51.10 | tuxpenguin | nsadmin, this is the output of iptables -L → http://pastebin.com/YBvAk6iL |
| 12:51.14 | codingrobot | oh, well, after looking closely at the dir. content everything has been moved to the last folder... |
| 12:51.15 | tuxpenguin | I grabbed it via ssh |
| 12:51.29 | saulo | Where is wx-config tool under Debian? |
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| 12:53.00 | nsadmin | so it doesn't have that link-local address anywhere |
| 12:53.06 | nsadmin | which is as it should be |
| 12:53.20 | davis | pipeline: thanks man that did it |
| 12:55.38 | tuxpenguin | is there a way to set which interfaces ipmasq should control? |
| 12:55.59 | nsadmin | it looks like it's doing it right... |
| 12:56.26 | nsadmin | one thing you could try is connecting wireless with one of the inside machines |
| 12:57.18 | nsadmin | because it looks like the address for the wireless stuff is there |
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| 12:57.18 | tuxpenguin | iwconfig can't set-up |
| 12:57.18 | tuxpenguin | the wifi access point |
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| 12:57.35 | tuxpenguin | because the wlan0 interface seems to be busy... |
| 12:57.36 | nsadmin | direct answer,,, there's a html file in /usr/share/doc/ipmasq that describes it |
| 12:57.49 | tuxpenguin | ok |
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| 12:58.29 | nsadmin | try stopping ipmasq then setting up wlan0 |
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| 13:05.34 | djura-san | o/ |
| 13:07.01 | tuxpenguin | nsadmin, Device or resource busy |
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| 13:11.07 | drw | How I can get a name machine from ip ? |
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| 13:12.53 | sepult | dig ? |
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| 13:13.03 | karme | drw: dig +short -x <IP> |
| 13:13.33 | karme | drw: or if you have host installed: host <IP> |
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| 13:14.52 | quellhorst | how could i install the backport for imagemagick squeeze: 7:6.6.0.4-2 |
| 13:15.10 | aguitel | i am in squeeze and when kernel upgrade to 2.6.32-5 ATI graphic card is not working with 3D ,anyone know this? |
| 13:15.25 | drw | but I need to get from intranet |
| 13:16.43 | jelly-home | drw: does the intranet have a dns server? |
| 13:16.52 | tuxpenguin | or a dhcp server |
| 13:17.26 | ootput | aguitel: which chipset? |
| 13:17.47 | ootput | aguitel: i'm using latest kernel on squeeze fine with my radeon hd4850 |
| 13:17.48 | aguitel | ootput, hd3200 |
| 13:18.07 | drw | I have not |
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| 13:18.28 | ootput | aguitel: do you have a custom xorg.conf, or grub bootloader entry? |
| 13:18.52 | aguitel | ootput, wait |
| 13:19.01 | ootput | aguitel: paste your /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 13:19.41 | aguitel | ootput, http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary this is the guide |
| 13:19.51 | ootput | oh dear |
| 13:20.09 | ootput | aguitel: have you tried the open source alternative? |
| 13:20.24 | aguitel | ootput, with kernel 2.6.32-3 is fine |
| 13:20.30 | ootput | aguitel: xserver-xorg-video-ati |
| 13:20.37 | aguitel | ootput, yes but no 3D get it |
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| 13:21.27 | heroxbd | Hey guys. I cann't link together c++ library compiled by different versions of g++, right? |
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| 13:23.16 | ootput | aguitel: it may be due to KMS-enabled kernel (by default) conflicting with the proprietary drivers |
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| 13:23.33 | ootput | aguitel: i'd test the open-source drivers first, or disable KMS at grub boot |
| 13:23.41 | abrotman | heroxbd: you'd probably do better to ask ##c or #gcc .. but i'd imagine it depends on the ABI |
| 13:24.20 | heroxbd | abrotman: Hmm. thank you abrotman~ |
| 13:24.25 | aguitel | ootput, how disable kms at grub boot? |
| 13:24.52 | ootput | aguitel: for grub2, edit /etc/default/grub, and add 'nomodeset' to GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX; then run update-grub as root |
| 13:25.19 | aguitel | ootput, i try |
| 13:25.21 | ootput | aguitel: for grub legacy, add 'nomodeset' to the line beginning with # kopt= |
| 13:25.33 | aguitel | ootput, i will try |
| 13:25.34 | ootput | .. and then update-grub |
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| 13:40.08 | kuser | hi |
| 13:41.12 | saulo | How can I generate a .mo file with Lokalize (KDE 4.x)? |
| 13:41.36 | tuxpenguin | nsadmin, wvdial says that it cannot determine the remote ip address and it defaults to 10.64.64.64. so, where ipmasq should redirect the traffic? |
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| 13:42.45 | kabuto-sys | i just install bind9, and i dont have any problem with named.conf, but when do /etc/init.d/bind9 status show bind9 is not running failed! i dont found any error on log |
| 13:43.20 | kabuto-sys | how to check whats wrong ? |
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| 13:45.04 | Aldus | Hi, I would like to transfer all the contents of a folder from a server to another using FTP. I am using debian's command line. I do: ftp (server), put my login data, then what to do? Can I use mput mylocaldirectory/* targetdirectory or something similar? |
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| 13:45.28 | kabuto-sys | im using debian lenny, and latest bind9 |
| 13:46.12 | jordanm | Aldus: why ftp? why not sftp? |
| 13:46.25 | Aldus | jordanm: it can be an option, I don't know it |
| 13:46.38 | Aldus | but suppose the target machine is windows |
| 13:46.49 | Aldus | i think doesn't support ssh based connections |
| 13:47.08 | jordanm | Aldus: rsync -av localdir/ myuser@remoteloc:/path/to/targetdir |
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| 13:47.24 | ootput | aguitel: any luck? |
| 13:47.26 | Aldus | really? rsync works through ftp? |
| 13:47.35 | jordanm | Aldus: no, thats scp/sftp |
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| 13:47.56 | jordanm | for FTP I would mount the network location and do what you need locally |
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| 13:48.21 | Aldus | i see... |
| 13:48.28 | davis | thanks again folks |
| 13:48.30 | davis | see you later |
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| 13:49.47 | TheBase | hello |
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| 13:51.47 | jelly-home | jordanm: actually that's ssh if you want to be precise |
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| 13:52.30 | TheBase | I can't find a package with flash player on Debian squeeze/sid when using the Synaptic Package Manager. How can I install the flash plugins? |
| 13:52.47 | jordanm | !flash |
| 13:52.48 | dpkg | Flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> or <swfdec> for free implementations, ask about <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. http://wiki.debian.org/Flash |
| 13:52.51 | jelly-home | TheBase: is it squeeze or sid? |
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| 13:53.05 | ootput | probably squeeze |
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| 13:53.19 | jelly-home | I'm thinking "based-on" |
| 13:53.25 | TheBase | /etc/issue says Debian GNU/Linux squeeze/sid |
| 13:53.36 | TheBase | /proc/version says 2.6.32-5-686 |
| 13:53.52 | TheBase | which is the kernel version |
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| 13:54.01 | ootput | TheBase: what does sources.list? |
| 13:54.08 | ootput | +say |
| 13:54.28 | jelly-home | TheBase: sources.list content or output of "apt-cache policy" will tell you more |
| 13:54.34 | jelly-home | !version |
| 13:54.34 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a, or cat /proc/version. Do cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} which should grab almost all distributions. |
| 13:54.48 | TheBase | ootput, squeeze |
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| 13:55.07 | jelly-home | !adobe flash |
| 13:55.07 | dpkg | Adobe Flash Player is <non-free> and cannot be in a stable Debian release, as Adobe do not provide security support for older versions (see http://bugs.debian.org/457291). The easiest way to install it is with the flashplayer-mozilla package from <debian-multimedia.org>; there is also a flashplugin-nonfree <contrib> package for sid and backports.org users. Ask me about <dmm> <bpo> <non-free>. http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
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| 13:55.18 | jelly-home | read the wiki links |
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| 13:55.52 | TheBase | cool |
| 13:55.56 | TheBase | I'll check that |
| 13:55.59 | TheBase | thanks |
| 13:56.41 | TheBase | I guess the nonfree has the bug then? |
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| 13:57.13 | ootput | which bug? |
| 13:57.31 | qq- | they are 'nonfree' .. |
| 13:58.19 | ootput | there's a security advisory floating around, but I'm not sure it affects the linux platform |
| 13:58.56 | ootput | scratch that - http://www.adobe.com/support/security/advisories/apsa10-01.html |
| 13:58.58 | iceroot | the linux version is affected but there is a patched build for linux |
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| 13:59.50 | iceroot | and the ubuntu-version of flashplugin-nonfree is already patched, so i guess the debain version too |
| 14:00.30 | jordanm | they dropped support for amd64 about the same time that advisory was posted |
| 14:00.51 | ootput | the advisory suggests removal of libauthplay.so.0.0.0 |
| 14:01.24 | ootput | - on my system as /usr/lib/Adobe/Reader9/Reader/intellinux/lib/libauthplay.so.0.0.0 |
| 14:03.11 | ootput | bah, wrong again. the fix isn't as simple |
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| 14:04.36 | qq- | ootput, install xpdf , and remove Adobe Reader* |
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| 14:04.55 | ootput | qq-: ideally ;) |
| 14:05.15 | JyZyXEL | which one has better drivers on linux Atheros or Realtek WiFi? |
| 14:05.17 | ootput | i'm stuck with it for work |
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| 14:10.42 | CodeNinja | wow... I realized that I have been away from windows for so long I dont even know whats 'good' anymore... |
| 14:11.13 | ootput | (random) |
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| 14:11.34 | CodeNinja | yes, rand(); is a normal daily function thanks |
| 14:11.34 | wvae | hi i m try to connect to wifi router throw wlan0 by the command "iwconfig wlan0 essid router" but its not working |
| 14:11.41 | Guest44128 | debian security flaw in inetd :/ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWxOFegC8H0 |
| 14:11.47 | nsadmin | JyZyXEL, contact both groups of linux driver devs... see how happy they are with their relationship with the manufacturer |
| 14:12.07 | jordanm | wvae: doesn't associate? what does dmesg | tail say? |
| 14:12.19 | nascentmind | hi. Whenever I host packages using http I get size mismatch. how can i fix it? |
| 14:12.40 | nascentmind | I tried everything. different chroot etc. note I am not signing my packages using gnupg. |
| 14:12.47 | CodeNinja | ootput: oh, my bad, I thought this was a different channel, my chan order got mixxed. :| |
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| 14:13.26 | ootput | CodeNinja: chanact.pl |
| 14:13.29 | nsadmin | nascentmind: I'm guessing it's something in how the packages are built |
| 14:13.52 | nascentmind | nsadmin: if i download the packages using wget or just cp it to cache it works fine and installs. |
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| 14:14.01 | wvae | jordanm, last second line is "ADDRCONF(NETDEV_CHANGE) wlan0:link becomes ready |
| 14:14.14 | nsadmin | note that wget -is- http |
| 14:14.19 | wvae | jordanm, i m able to ping my router but not able to open it in firefox |
| 14:14.30 | wvae | and not able to browse web |
| 14:14.50 | nascentmind | nsadmin: i am building using pbuilder build *.dsc and creating the Packages.gz using dpkg-scanpackages . /dev/null | gzip -9c > Packages.gz |
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| 14:16.24 | CodeNinja | ootput: ? |
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| 14:18.33 | nsadmin | nascentmind, perhaps we've eliminated everything except the http server you're using? |
| 14:18.54 | nsadmin | maybe not |
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| 14:19.23 | nsadmin | so you say you can get these packages via wget but not, by what? |
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| 14:20.37 | drupaluser | Heya |
| 14:20.43 | drupaluser | Heya! I got a VPN Problem with a endian Linux Firewall to a MS TMG Server, maybe the log shows what the problem is? http://pastebin.org/332842 |
| 14:20.48 | nsadmin | tuxpenguin, did someone help you with ipmasq? |
| 14:20.55 | nascentmind | nsadmin: when i use apt i get size mismatch. but i can download it manually. |
| 14:21.02 | tuxpenguin | no |
| 14:21.11 | JohnNew | i have 2 files, one is the file in the old state before I edited it, file 2 is the new file where i changed some lines of code in... I would now like to see which lines got changed/added/delled between the 2 , what can i do best to most clearly see it? |
| 14:21.36 | nascentmind | nsadmin: i know my packages work fine i.e. if i download it manually and put it in the cache it installs fine without any problems. |
| 14:21.53 | ootput | JohnNew: diff |
| 14:21.59 | nascentmind | nsadmin: btw what is size mismatch and where does it compare sizes? |
| 14:22.23 | nsadmin | could someone help tuxpenguin with ipmasq? basically he has a machine he calls "debian" that has ppp0 (w/ default route), and internals eth0, wlan0, wmaster0 |
| 14:22.26 | ootput | JohnNew: colordiff, even |
| 14:22.45 | nsadmin | nascentmind, that would be my question too |
| 14:22.57 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:23.35 | ootput | JohnNew: for non-debian specific questions, try ##linux |
| 14:23.41 | drupaluser | does anyone have a clue of openswan??? I got a connection Problem (VPN) there is the log: http://pastebin.org/332842 |
| 14:23.55 | nsadmin | tuxpenguin |
| 14:23.57 | nsadmin | err |
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| 14:24.51 | {g} | The "lost+found" folder is really the most annoying thing ever... for example when you copy a partition with "cp -va /some/partition/* /some/otherpartition/". do you really want the lost+found thingy? no! isnt that thingy stupid? |
| 14:24.54 | nascentmind | nsadmin: any package czars here? |
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| 14:25.59 | unixp | which source do i need to install xfce? |
| 14:26.05 | nsadmin | tuxpenguin's ipmasq box can ping out, and internal machines can ping it... he's running 2.6.26-2-686 kernel, iptables -L seems reasonable both before and after starting ipmasq and I can't see why it's failing |
| 14:26.48 | unixp | i installed debian 5.0.4 stable net-install without a user interface, now i want to install apt-get install xfce4 but it says couldnt find... |
| 14:26.51 | nsadmin | tuxpenguin, ppp is being run over what, phone line? over ethernet? |
| 14:27.06 | tuxpenguin | nsadmin, internet key |
| 14:27.13 | nsadmin | what's that? |
| 14:27.29 | nsadmin | how is it connected? |
| 14:27.43 | tuxpenguin | on cellular network |
| 14:27.59 | nsadmin | oh ok, and how does it connect to the computer? |
| 14:28.09 | tuxpenguin | wvdial |
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| 14:28.21 | tuxpenguin | (usb) |
| 14:28.21 | nsadmin | with a standard phone cord? |
| 14:28.26 | nsadmin | oh ok |
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| 14:29.03 | nsadmin | tuxpenguin, you should collect and summarize everything we did |
| 14:29.15 | ootput | unixp: strange. what's your sources.list say? |
| 14:29.37 | tuxpenguin | ok |
| 14:29.41 | nsadmin | some guy is gonna look at it and go "oh, ok, did you try this..." |
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| 14:30.06 | unixp | ootput, ok got the error, im using a seperat pci lan card. But how can i find it or install it? i dont geht eth0... |
| 14:30.25 | nsadmin | nascentmind, debian-mentors@lists.debian.org and/or #debian-mentors either here or oftc.net |
| 14:30.34 | ootput | unixp: was that related to your xfce4 question? |
| 14:30.41 | nascentmind | nsadmin: thanks a lot |
| 14:30.48 | unixp | ootput, yeah |
| 14:31.06 | ootput | unixp: how are you IRCing? |
| 14:31.13 | unixp | ootput, other pc |
| 14:31.16 | nsadmin | what packages do you make, if you don't mind the question |
| 14:32.10 | gusnan | The VT fonts is changed during bootup, and I have a feeling using the new one is slow - Is there a simple way to skip the changing of fonts during boot? |
| 14:32.23 | jaggz | hm.. I added 192.168. ips to ethx:1 and :2, but they can't be pinged from my win7 system, only from locally on the linux system. |
| 14:32.39 | ootput | unixp: what does lspci say? |
| 14:32.48 | ootput | unixp: if possible, paste at pastebin.com or similar |
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| 14:33.07 | unixp | ootput, strangely it doust find the command lspci |
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| 14:33.30 | ootput | ah, you can't fetch pciutils package either.. |
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| 14:34.38 | unixp | ootput, what to do? |
| 14:35.08 | ootput | unixp: you don't know what card it is? |
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| 14:35.45 | unixp | ootput, from sitecom |
| 14:36.08 | jake__ | I have tried installing debian 5 on my lenovo n500 laptop and it can't detect my cdrom drive. I don't understand seeing as it is reading the disc from that drive but won't install from there. |
| 14:36.44 | jake__ | Ubuntu, Fedora, Opensuse, Mandriva and Slackware have all installed from this CDrom drive |
| 14:36.45 | ootput | unixp: try dmesg | less |
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| 14:38.37 | jake__ | Would there be any reason that anyone knows of why Debain will be read from that disc at boot but can't find (essentially) itself? |
| 14:39.25 | ootput | jake__: if you can get to the console (alt-F*) before selecting a language, you can try manually loading the drivers you need for the CD - eg. modprobe isofs udf - and then resuming the install after switching back |
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| 14:40.05 | ootput | jake__: it's also possible that you may need to pass boot options to the installer |
| 14:40.11 | unixp | ootput, so on eth0 it says: Setting full-duplex based on M//#1 link partner capalility of 45e1 |
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| 14:40.58 | ootput | unixp: is there any way for you to transfer the full dump of that command over to the pc you're on now, and then paste it online? |
| 14:41.02 | jake__ | I think I may be too new to Linux to be tinkering around with such seemingly complicated issues just to install. I was hoping I had done something wrong but if it is just Debian (and no offence intended at all) then I think I should stick with something that works until I am a little more knowledgable |
| 14:41.26 | ootput | jake__: which installer did you use? |
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| 14:41.37 | ootput | (version) |
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| 14:41.42 | unixp | ootput, i try it |
| 14:41.43 | jake__ | ootput, Thanks for the help anyway :-) |
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| 14:41.52 | unixp | ootput, but how bestly? ;) |
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| 14:42.17 | jake__ | ootput, I was installing from DVD1 of Debian 5.0 |
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| 14:43.06 | ootput | unixp: format a floppy, and copy /var/log/messages onto it |
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| 14:44.42 | ootput | jake__: that might just be a bug of the particular version of the installer |
| 14:44.53 | ootput | jake__: it's not common |
| 14:45.19 | jake__ | Someone said to me (a friend online with an RHCE) that me having a scsi cdrom or soemthing might be the problem |
| 14:45.47 | ootput | scsi DVD drive, you mean? |
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| 14:45.49 | nsadmin | a floppy may or may not be enough to hold that file if it's not been rotated |
| 14:45.51 | jake__ | I was confused as I had heard Debian had some of the best hardware support around |
| 14:46.07 | jake__ | ootput, that is exactly what i mean :-) |
| 14:46.18 | ootput | nsadmin: true |
| 14:46.43 | nsadmin | jake__, some people had good results... some are getting better results with ubuntu |
| 14:46.49 | vsmatck | jake__: It's not any better than any other GNU/Linux distribution. Drivers are all in the kernel. |
| 14:47.00 | jaggz | yeah, eth1 is reachable, but ips on eth1:1 and eth1:2 are not reachable outside the system. It all works from on the system itself. What controls this? |
| 14:47.03 | vsmatck | jake__: I suppose Ubuntu makes installing proprietary drivers easier tho. |
| 14:47.20 | ootput | jake__: the debian installer has vastly improved over the years |
| 14:47.22 | jaggz | Maybe the router doesn't "know" those IPs are on that host? |
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| 14:47.32 | nsadmin | jaggz: so you potentially have three nets on one wire |
| 14:47.50 | jake__ | vsmatck, it's the installer that I am having problems with though. I would not mind going and getting wireless drivers etc, but running into a problem like "i can't find the dvd drive" coming from a disc which is running from that very same ddrive makes little sense to me |
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| 14:48.20 | davis | ls |
| 14:48.44 | jaggz | I guess so. 3 ips. wifi system actually. |
| 14:48.59 | vsmatck | jake__: Ah, I understand what you're saying. |
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| 14:49.13 | ootput | jake__: I can understand your frustration, but don't give up on debian so easily |
| 14:49.30 | nsadmin | the biggest vastest improvement was when it first replaced boot-floppies... the people who worked on that system wanted to keep it and said "this is a bad idea" but boot-floppies had many things that made it difficult to swap out components easily and this made it hard to maintain and hard to build |
| 14:49.31 | ootput | jake__: where does the error message occur? which part of the install? and what's the exact message? |
| 14:49.34 | jaggz | standard thing -- I've done it a million times. I just don't recall them ever being inaccessible outside that system. I don't think I have any firewalling stuff going on on that system that could stop it |
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| 14:50.56 | jaggz | hey, I do: ping -I eth1:2 and it shows the source is the eth1 address, not eth1:2 |
| 14:50.57 | jake__ | When it scans for a drive to install the OS from disc, it cannot find a CDROM drive on the system and gives me suggestions like /dev/sr0 etc but after trying each of the suggestions, it does not find a CDROM drive there either |
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| 14:51.01 | karlpinc | jake__: You may need a newer kernel than comes with the default installer. See the kmuto installers. |
| 14:51.05 | karlpinc | !kmuto |
| 14:51.05 | dpkg | For Debian Lenny installers with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ . The <bnx2> and <bnx2x> firmware files for Linux 2.6.32 are included in 0116 images. |
| 14:51.54 | jake__ | so debian (because it has an older ((more stable)) kernel) it might not have support for my drive that other distros do? |
| 14:51.55 | ootput | jake__: try #cat /proc/partitions during the install |
| 14:51.58 | tuxpenguin | nsadmin, my isp uses nat for his network, so i don't have a public ip address... is it a problem? |
| 14:52.00 | karlpinc | jake__: If that works you will also need to install a newer kernel from backports.org or your new system won't work. (The kernel used by the installer is not necessairly the kernel that's installed.) |
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| 14:52.22 | honschu | Hi, where is the best place to set an environment variable permanently for one or all users (doesn't matter)? .profile? It's $XDG_CACHE_HOME by the way I want to define. |
| 14:52.25 | jake__ | am i going to be able to sitch to another terminal during install then i take it? |
| 14:52.28 | karlpinc | jake__: There are newer versions of things, espeically the kernel, at backports.org for just such circumstances. |
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| 14:52.34 | karlpinc | jake__: (yes) |
| 14:52.36 | ootput | jake__: yes |
| 14:52.57 | ootput | you can monitor the install at alt-f5 (if memory serves) |
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| 14:53.34 | nsadmin | and alt-f2 for a shell |
| 14:53.39 | gribozavr | hi! sometimes when reading package descriptions, i see that lists are not typeset as lists, sometimes i see mistakes in translations, sometimes i see a minus (-) used instead of a dash (-- or --- or Unicode symbol). should i report all that as bugs? |
| 14:53.45 | karlpinc | honschu: Proabably /etc/login.defs. There's also a /etc/profile. |
| 14:54.10 | karlpinc | gribozavr: Yes. |
| 14:54.15 | honschu | karlpinc: That sounds good. |
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| 14:54.31 | jaggz | why 3 nets on one wire? |
| 14:54.35 | karlpinc | gribozavr: Although you might want to check with the policy manual as to exactly what chararacters are "good". |
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| 14:54.45 | jaggz | when it's just 3 ips |
| 14:54.57 | nsadmin | jazzg: oh, it's not three nets? |
| 14:55.05 | nsadmin | three IPs on the same net? |
| 14:55.11 | gribozavr | karlpinc: thanks |
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| 14:56.02 | nsadmin | jaggz, but... why would you need three IPs on the same net? |
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| 14:56.49 | jaggz | 3 ips on one host |
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| 14:57.05 | nsadmin | yes, I understand that part |
| 14:57.19 | nsadmin | but each IP is within some net |
| 14:57.22 | karlpinc | gribozavr: The maintainers would like you even better if you were to submit patches. |
| 14:57.24 | jaggz | I'm setting up a beta test system which needs some SSL/https servers on it.. since those are IP-based I need multiple IPs |
| 14:57.32 | nsadmin | they could be all in the same net or each in different nets |
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| 14:58.10 | unixp | ootput, so i tried only to tiype in ifconfig eth0 192.168.0.4 . now i can ping to my router |
| 14:58.31 | unixp | ootput, but xfce4 will not be found yet |
| 14:58.33 | nsadmin | jaggz, I'll be back in a few... setting up to do laundry |
| 14:58.55 | jaggz | I've done this for 15 years, back when we had to add eth devices for each "aliased IP" or whatever .. but for some reason with this one my router doesn't recognize the system has those IPs on it |
| 14:59.02 | ootput | unixp: you're probably unable to resolve dns |
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| 14:59.13 | ootput | unixp: does your router offer dhcp leases? |
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| 14:59.30 | karlpinc | ootput: Or he does not have a default gateway. It's best to setup /etc/network/interfaces and use ifup. |
| 14:59.34 | nsadmin | ok, bbiaf... |
| 14:59.42 | ootput | unixp: what does your /etc/network/interfaces say? |
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| 15:00.24 | unixp | ootput, auto lo iface lo inet loopback |
| 15:00.50 | karlpinc | jaggz: Maybe it has a lame arp implimentation. (How odd.) |
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| 15:01.47 | karlpinc | jaggz: You could try spoofing mac addresses. |
| 15:02.33 | jaggz | what sets these iptables rules? I see the functioning 192.168 IP in iptables -L |
| 15:02.47 | ootput | unixp: try adding http://pastebin.com/T0764yRt to it's tail |
| 15:02.51 | ootput | its |
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| 15:03.13 | jaggz | the router should be fine.. standard dlink thing.. pretty new too. |
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| 15:03.35 | Trox^ | so no more need to use alsaconf? |
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| 15:03.43 | ootput | unixp: See 'man interfaces' for details of its syntax |
| 15:03.54 | Trox^ | running debian stable, cant get sound to work |
| 15:03.59 | unixp | ootput, ok thx im trying it |
| 15:04.11 | Trox^ | what should i do to get it to work? |
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| 15:04.36 | Trox^ | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:04.38 | karlpinc | !alsa checklist |
| 15:04.38 | dpkg | 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 2) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels & toggle jack sense) 3) arts or esound stopped? 4) OSS modules unloaded? 5) speakers on? 6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 7) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. See also <list alsa users>. |
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| 15:04.59 | karlpinc | Trox^: First step is to be sure all the wires are plugged in. |
| 15:05.15 | Trox^ | hey karl, how should i know if i should be using alsa or oss? |
| 15:05.33 | Trox^ | its some SiS built-in card |
| 15:05.33 | karlpinc | Trox^: I'm not a sound guy. My understanding is that oss is depreciated and alsa should be used. |
| 15:05.41 | Trox^ | ok |
| 15:05.44 | jaggz | maybe ifup eth1:2 wasn't sufficient.. maybe I need /etc/init.d/networking restart :/ |
| 15:05.50 | jaggz | I hate doing that from remote though |
| 15:06.08 | nsadmin | jaggz, so is there any chance you'd be comfortable sharign the ips? are they external? |
| 15:06.17 | jaggz | no internal |
| 15:06.33 | unixp | ootput, ok im done. do i need to restart eth0? |
| 15:06.34 | ootput | Trox^: there's OSS4, which is supposedly better than ALSA, but I don't think it's as widely supported as ALSA |
| 15:06.35 | nsadmin | ok, what are the IPs? |
| 15:06.50 | karlpinc | jaggz: Could it be the 70 udev rules? |
| 15:06.55 | karlpinc | !70 |
| 15:06.55 | dpkg | udev has the ability to statically rename Ethernet cards based on MAC address since version 0.090. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules (Lenny, Squeeze) or /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules (Etch). If you want the mappings to change, edit the respective file. To apply changes: "udevadm trigger" ("udevtrigger" on Etch) or reload the relevant driver module. See also <forcedeth mac>, <udev>. |
| 15:07.02 | jaggz | 192.168.2.102 was the primary one. I added 103 and 104 |
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| 15:07.11 | ootput | Trox^: bear in mind that there is a compatibility layer too, so you won't be losing much by sticking with just one |
| 15:07.20 | nsadmin | oh, ok, so they are three IPs on the same subnet |
| 15:07.25 | jaggz | I'm thinking it's the iptables rules right now |
| 15:07.49 | jaggz | because it doesn't have rules to accept those IPs |
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| 15:08.05 | ootput | unixp: ifup eth0 |
| 15:08.06 | jaggz | in the OUTPUT chain |
| 15:08.12 | nsadmin | and it's dropping everything else? |
| 15:08.36 | ootput | unixp: if you can, read http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch05.en.html |
| 15:08.37 | tuxpenguin | how can I check that the ip forwarding is working correctly |
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| 15:09.09 | ootput | unixp: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch05.en.html#_the_basic_network_configuration_with_ifupdown |
| 15:09.11 | jaggz | a few more accepted rules.. actually the first rule is accept all anywhere anywhere.. so I don't see the use of the one pertaining to the .102 specifically anyway |
| 15:09.29 | tuxpenguin | how can I check that the ip forwarding is working correctly? |
| 15:09.32 | nsadmin | is .102 the one that works? |
| 15:09.47 | jaggz | I guess it didn't come back up after networking restart :} thankfully "remote" is just in the other room right now :) |
| 15:10.17 | jaggz | yeah, .102 works .. eth1. eth1:1 and eth1:2 don't work.. hey, thanks for the help. |
| 15:10.32 | unixp | ootput, ok thx, but same issue atm again, cant connect to internet |
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| 15:10.44 | nsadmin | mostly I just asked questions :) |
| 15:10.46 | jaggz | I need to figure out what I broke over there.. I had a sorta difficult time getting wpa_supplicant to work sometimes .. :) |
| 15:11.11 | jaggz | I've had to restart the entire system to bring it back up -- I'm not sure why init.d/networking restart doesn't handle that all |
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| 15:11.47 | jaggz | and I really don't like unnecessary "reboot the system" mentality of course :) |
| 15:11.55 | ootput | unixp: try dhclient eth0 |
| 15:11.57 | nsadmin | jaggz, I guess you'd run your iptables script after a restart |
| 15:12.13 | ootput | unixp: and confirm that /etc/resolv.conf points to either your router, or your ISP DNS servers |
| 15:12.26 | jaggz | yeah I don't have an iptables script.. this must be set with a standard debian package functionality |
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| 15:12.47 | jaggz | brb, lemme go get that system's networking back up.. :) |
| 15:13.10 | unixp | ootput, in the resolv.conf it stays : nameserver 192.168.0.1 do i need anything more? |
| 15:13.26 | nsadmin | hmm. where did you put that rule to accept .102? |
| 15:13.30 | ootput | unixp: ping google.com |
| 15:13.54 | ootput | unixp: for home networking, usually no |
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| 15:14.28 | unixp | ootput, yeah got ping |
| 15:14.42 | ootput | unixp: apt-get update; aptitude install xfce4 |
| 15:15.08 | unixp | ootput, that doesnt work mmh |
| 15:15.23 | jaggz | okay.. init.d/networking start doesn't bring up the interfaces. I had to do ifup eth1 which brought all 3 back up. |
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| 15:15.28 | ootput | unixp: post your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 15:15.29 | unixp | ootput, it only updates the cdrom source i see |
| 15:15.39 | jaggz | nsadmin, I didn't write it.. I'm not sure what made that rule :) |
| 15:15.45 | nsadmin | oh ok |
| 15:16.00 | unixp | ootput, ok theres only the deb cdrom.... activated |
| 15:16.03 | coolmadmax | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:16.31 | nsadmin | so review your /etc/network/interfaces to see why those interfaces don't come up on boot |
| 15:17.08 | jaggz | I believe iptables rules are in order of appearance though, and it shows accept anywhere anywhere before that line.. so while it's a mess I don't think it's the problem (but it might be.. I've learned it's not good to overlook those things that stand out as odd right?) |
| 15:17.31 | nsadmin | once you did that, all three addresses started working? |
| 15:17.44 | jaggz | I didn't reboot.. rebooting does everything fine. It just seems like the init.d/networking script doesn't necessarily do everything. I'm not sure why. |
| 15:17.51 | jaggz | yeah.. ifup eth1 brings all 3 up.. |
| 15:18.16 | nsadmin | by default, yes... adding a rule adds to the end of a chain, while you can insert a rule anywhere in the chain |
| 15:18.58 | nsadmin | there should be a combination of ed and iptables so that you can search for a rule that matches something and then insert rules there |
| 15:19.17 | OldParr | how do i get a list of installed clamav with aptitude? |
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| 15:20.12 | nsadmin | look at everything that depends on clamav? |
| 15:20.21 | ootput | unixp: any progress? |
| 15:20.26 | jaggz | ah.. maybe it's the FORWARD chain? it has LOG and DROP in it, only.. |
| 15:20.46 | jaggz | and pings to the "aliased" ips show up in the messages log |
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| 15:21.02 | nsadmin | so it still doesn't work?? |
| 15:21.06 | unixp | ootput, ok i updated the source but cant finde xfce4 else |
| 15:21.18 | unixp | ootput, which source deb... do i need? |
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| 15:21.31 | ootput | unixp: there are a few |
| 15:21.32 | jaggz | Jun 15 08:20:15 cradle kernel: [4594771.141761] IN= OUT=eth1 SRC=192.168.2.103 DST=192.168.2.255 LEN=96 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=64 ID=0 DF PROTO=UDP SPT=137 DPT=137 LEN=76 |
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| 15:21.34 | Anonissimus | erm, how do I get libcurl with ssl support? |
| 15:21.40 | jaggz | oh, no it still doesn't work |
| 15:21.50 | ootput | unixp: how did you update the sources.list? consult: http://pastebin.com/F74bN8xx |
| 15:22.02 | nsadmin | broadcast ping from .203? |
| 15:22.03 | ootput | unixp: assuming you're running squeeze |
| 15:22.34 | nsadmin | ok. I'm tired of guessing :) could you pastebin your /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 15:22.43 | unixp | ootput, i run deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main |
| 15:23.05 | jaggz | sure :) |
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| 15:23.35 | noahir | hi anyone know how to use pastebinit ? |
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| 15:23.42 | noahir | im not familiar with this tool |
| 15:23.42 | jaggz | hm.. not sure how to broadcast from win7 |
| 15:23.49 | tuxpenguin | mmh |
| 15:23.54 | noahir | i like more wgetpaste...but im sitting on debian so cant use it |
| 15:24.09 | tuxpenguin | noahir, cat textfile | pastebinit -a youruser |
| 15:24.15 | nsadmin | noahir, try echo buh | pastebinit |
| 15:24.47 | ootput | pastebinit <file> |
| 15:24.57 | noahir | it returns pastebin.com |
| 15:25.02 | noahir | for all you said guys |
| 15:25.07 | rvsjoen | then go to that url |
| 15:25.20 | noahir | no you dont understand :D |
| 15:25.26 | noahir | it returns pastebin.com...only |
| 15:25.33 | ootput | try 'man pastebinit' |
| 15:25.36 | ootput | simple options |
| 15:25.41 | rvsjoen | $ uptime | pastebinit |
| 15:25.45 | rvsjoen | http://pastebin.com/KFupB0vX |
| 15:25.51 | rvsjoen | that's what mine does anyway |
| 15:25.55 | noahir | damn |
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| 15:26.21 | Anonissimus | anyone around who can tell me how to get libcurl with ssl support? |
| 15:26.32 | jaggz | http://bdh.voyager.com/i.html |
| 15:27.09 | jaggz | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:27.21 | OldParr | nsadmin: aptitude show clamav ? |
| 15:27.22 | jaggz | maybe I should just restart my router |
| 15:27.26 | unixp | ootput, for what stays squeeze? |
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| 15:28.01 | ootput | unixp: what do you mean? |
| 15:28.22 | unixp | ootput, i never heard from squeeze source before |
| 15:28.28 | ootput | unixp: oh, replace squeeze with lenny |
| 15:28.41 | unixp | ootput, oh ok |
| 15:29.05 | ootput | !squeeze |
| 15:29.05 | dpkg | Squeeze is the codename for the next release, Debian GNU/Linux 6.0. It is the three-eyed space alien. Check http://www.debian.org/News/ for current status and ask me about <testing>. Not to be confused with the <Xfce> archive manager. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSqueeze . See also <squeeze kernel>. |
| 15:29.24 | nsadmin | also... if you install libmoose-perl and libmoosex-getopt-perl... you can run cpan shell and install App::Nopaste |
| 15:29.29 | nsadmin | which is a perl module |
| 15:29.52 | noahir | it wont upload |
| 15:29.52 | noahir | :X |
| 15:29.56 | ootput | doesn't this channel provide a paste-bot? |
| 15:30.09 | ootput | or am i thinking of something else? |
| 15:30.09 | nsadmin | it will install that module into your perl and a driver script called nopaste in your /usr/bin |
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| 15:30.25 | nsadmin | then you can echo buh | nopaste |
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| 15:31.27 | simonrvn | ootput: not anymore |
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| 15:31.51 | nsadmin | and as long as you have the build deps... you can dh-make-perl it |
| 15:31.58 | ootput | simonrvn: too much abuse? |
| 15:32.04 | wieshka | can somebody help me to install glibc-2.4 |
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| 15:32.37 | jaggz | I didn't use a pastebin but I probably should have.. I just used my own URL |
| 15:33.07 | ootput | unixp: i'm heading out soon. apt-get update once you're done fixing sources.list, and aptitude install xfce4 |
| 15:33.12 | simonrvn | no idea why |
| 15:33.19 | noahir | damn i will compile wgetpaste |
| 15:33.26 | nsadmin | wieshka: unless you build and install that in your home dir, it's not recommended (for dependency reasons, and break-your-whole-system-for-ya reasons) to install different versions of glibc |
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| 15:33.51 | Black_Phantom | anyone of you mooed today ? |
| 15:34.05 | nsadmin | try apt-get moo |
| 15:34.14 | ootput | noahir: many of the pasters available are simple scripts |
| 15:34.19 | user01 | I ate a snake and now i look like a hat |
| 15:34.34 | user01 | or the snake ate me |
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| 15:34.44 | wieshka | nsadmin: you do not recommend to install it in /lib/glibc ? |
| 15:35.04 | nsadmin | do you have that much disk space in /? |
| 15:35.08 | karlpinc | wieshka: No. You should get your software from the debian repositories. |
| 15:35.33 | zeev | hi, I loaded from a live cd and try to clean my windows partion. I did: sudo mount -t ntfs -o rw /dev/hda2 /mnt but when I try to sudo rm -rf Dir - I get error: rm: cannot remove blahblah: Read-only file system. Why? |
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| 15:36.06 | user01 | would there be a way to put a working (modifiable) distro on a pen drive and run it inside of windows xp without installing anything on the windows xp system? |
| 15:36.08 | nsadmin | wieshka, even if you look outside of debian and even outside of any dist that does packaging, replacing your libc will still break your system, and very likely badly and completely |
| 15:36.09 | ootput | zeev: ntfs-3g as type |
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| 15:36.34 | wieshka | nsadmin: karlpinc ia m trying to figure out this problem: http://pastebin.com/xGYpc7Bg |
| 15:36.40 | wieshka | while installing zimbra |
| 15:36.53 | wieshka | problem in 12 line |
| 15:37.06 | karlpinc | user01: There is a way to run Linux as a MS Windows screensaver. I don't recall any more. |
| 15:37.06 | ootput | zeev: you cross-posted. keep it in ##linux |
| 15:37.08 | zeev | ootput: unknown filesystem type "ntfs-3g" |
| 15:37.12 | nsadmin | so zimbra needs a particular libc? |
| 15:37.31 | user01 | karlpinc: really? cool |
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| 15:38.11 | nsadmin | you're doing a -compiled- web app?! |
| 15:38.31 | unixp | do you now a good text lined web browser? |
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| 15:38.33 | user01 | im trying to figure out a way to study for lpic at work, but all they have are windoze |
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| 15:39.02 | rvsjoen | unixp: links2 or elinks |
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| 15:39.11 | karlpinc | user01: Use virtualbox. |
| 15:39.31 | user01 | karlpinc: i would have to install that on their system, right? |
| 15:39.48 | msm_ | I have modem, lenny. at times my eth0 is not there at all. If I reboot it is there. I want to avoid this random things. The driver I think is sky2. |
| 15:40.01 | karlpinc | unixp: aptitude search '~Gbrowser~Gtext' |
| 15:40.25 | karlpinc | user01: I don't know. It might run off a usb drive. |
| 15:40.29 | user01 | karlpinc: i just want to run it from the flash drive inside of windows so i could practice command line stuff |
| 15:40.29 | jaggz | anyone know how to clear the arp cache of a dlink router? |
| 15:40.30 | ootput | unixp: i'm partial to w3m |
| 15:40.44 | user01 | karlpinc: and i dont want to modify the system |
| 15:40.54 | ootput | user01: there's cygwin on usb |
| 15:41.00 | diago | do you guys use checkinstall? |
| 15:41.10 | user01 | ootput: really? cool |
| 15:41.18 | msm_ | any one experienced lenny not bringing up eth0 at times... |
| 15:41.35 | jaggz | at what times? :) |
| 15:41.44 | msm_ | jaggz: randomly |
| 15:41.51 | jaggz | randomly at boot? |
| 15:42.00 | msm_ | jaggz: yes at boot |
| 15:42.06 | karlpinc | !tell diago about ask |
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| 15:42.31 | user01 | the thing i probably need to practice the most is rpm stuff, since ive only ever run debian |
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| 15:42.41 | jaggz | no I've not experienced that.. manual ifup eth0 works? |
| 15:42.49 | msm_ | jaggz: nope |
| 15:42.53 | diago | sorry, I was just curious, not having a problem |
| 15:43.22 | msm_ | eth0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device |
| 15:43.27 | ootput | user01: what's preventing you from running a linux distro in a virtualbox or similar? |
| 15:43.35 | ootput | user01: not your PC? |
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| 15:43.39 | diago | msm_: it is in /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 15:43.50 | msm_ | diago: yep |
| 15:43.56 | diago | as hotplug or what |
| 15:44.02 | msm_ | as I said if I reboot it will be up |
| 15:44.08 | msm_ | diago: auto |
| 15:44.08 | user01 | ootput: not my pc |
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| 15:44.36 | msm_ | I have nework-manager helping in unplugged cable |
| 15:44.47 | jaggz | sounds like your device is having problems? |
| 15:45.02 | msm_ | jaggz: how come it works on reboot ? |
| 15:45.05 | user01 | ootput: and it looks like they have ssh port blocked so i cant ssh in |
| 15:45.12 | jaggz | what kind of device is it? |
| 15:45.21 | msm_ | Marvell |
| 15:45.22 | diago | cat /proc/net/dev still shows it msm_ |
| 15:45.22 | user01 | ootput: to my home computer |
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| 15:45.26 | jaggz | pci? |
| 15:45.31 | ootput | user01: tunnel :) |
| 15:45.32 | diago | Marvell Yukon??? |
| 15:45.39 | diago | I had major issues with those |
| 15:45.40 | karlpinc | user01: Openvpn. |
| 15:46.00 | msm_ | Marvell Technology Group Ltd. |
| 15:46.14 | msm_ | Broadcom corporation |
| 15:46.20 | ootput | unixp: no reports? |
| 15:46.29 | diago | in fact I still do: sky2 eth0: hardware receive checksum problem |
| 15:46.37 | karlpinc | user01: (Although I've no clue how you'd run it off a usb key on MS Windows.) |
| 15:47.02 | msm_ | the /proc/net/dev shows only lo |
| 15:47.02 | diago | msm_: Marvell 88E8053 ? |
| 15:47.18 | ootput | user01: if you're only interested in the command-line, tunnel with portable putty |
| 15:47.22 | msm_ | 88E8040 |
| 15:47.24 | diago | then the device is gone according |
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| 15:47.47 | user01 | ootput: is there a tutorial on that? |
| 15:48.23 | user01 | ootput: not sure how that would work if the ssh port is blocked |
| 15:48.32 | ootput | dpm |
| 15:48.37 | karlpinc | ootput: That makes sense. You could tunnel anything. |
| 15:48.38 | ootput | er, don't use the ssh port |
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| 15:48.56 | karlpinc | user01: Right. Reconfigure the server. |
| 15:49.14 | karlpinc | user01: (Or run another sshd daemon.) |
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| 15:49.56 | user01 | karlpinc: reconfigure the ssh server to . . . work on an open port? |
| 15:50.04 | karlpinc | user01: Right. |
| 15:50.18 | ootput | user01: port 80, for instance |
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| 15:50.33 | user01 | ootput: thats the one thats blocked i think |
| 15:50.41 | ootput | user01: or have the remote firewall redirect 80 to your system's 22 |
| 15:50.50 | ootput | user01: are you sure? |
| 15:50.52 | karlpinc | user01: Doubtful. Port 80 is http, the web. |
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| 15:51.32 | user01 | karlpinc: ah ok, but what if there is a webserver already running on the 80? |
| 15:51.33 | ootput | user01: it also depends on how the system admins implemented their outbound firewall |
| 15:51.41 | karlpinc | user01: Port 443 might be better, just because it's not expected to be snoopable. |
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| 15:52.07 | karlpinc | user01: You need a port you're not already using. |
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| 15:53.46 | ootput | anywho, my exit was long overdue |
| 15:53.49 | ootput | g'nite all |
| 15:53.57 | user01 | ootput: night thanks |
| 15:55.39 | user01 | karlpinc: do you know how to check what ports i have available for tunneling in windows xp? |
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| 15:57.16 | karlpinc | user01: No. And that'd be offtopic here anyway. |
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| 15:58.11 | jaggz | anyone know how to clear the arp cache of a dlink router? |
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| 16:01.32 | jhutchins_lt | jaggz: Unplug the power? |
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| 16:02.01 | xreal | Is it usefull to deny ssh-login without a keyfile? |
| 16:03.05 | os_admin | hello when i try connecting to my mailbox with php script i have this error, Retrying CRAM-MD5 authentication after Authentication failed., Can not authenticate to POP3 server: Authentication failed. |
| 16:03.26 | os_admin | have you any idea about this problem |
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| 16:05.19 | thomas | when i try the same with a ip then > 1 second |
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| 16:05.30 | thomas | when i use dig/host for dns then also under a second :-( |
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| 16:05.43 | thomas | only the lookup with programs like ssh/lynx/wget etc.. is very slow |
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| 16:12.44 | msm_ | any one interested in debian-live on adding lvm2 to image .... |
| 16:13.51 | msm_ | I already build one image but it lacks lvm2 support. |
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| 16:14.27 | msm_ | now without having to go through all steps of lh_config and lh_build ...which took quite long...what can I do ? |
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| 16:17.17 | jordanm | !knoppix |
| 16:17.17 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distribution which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. http://www.knoppix.com/ unofficial: http://Debian-knoppix.alioth.Debian.org/ <Debian-live> is the Debian equivalent for publishing live systems. |
| 16:17.48 | jordanm | msm_: knoppix is very debian-like and has LVM support |
| 16:18.11 | user01 | karlpinc: what would happen if i assign ssh the same port as httpd? (80) |
| 16:19.01 | jordanm | user01: if httpd is already listening on 80, it won't bind |
| 16:19.14 | user01 | jordanm: ah ok |
| 16:19.30 | msm_ | jordanm: I edit LH_PACKAGE_LIST and added lvm2 to it. did lh_config and it going through whole process again. Its so dumb. |
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| 16:19.53 | mederEsite | what's the purpose of the srv directory? |
| 16:19.56 | msm_ | sorry did lh_build |
| 16:19.59 | unixp_ | ootput, works thx |
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| 16:20.08 | mederEsite | or rather, what common things do i put in it |
| 16:20.10 | jaggz | what adds iptables rules in debian, by default? I'm not making these rules and my extra IPs on eth0:1 and eth0:2 aren't getting valid rules added |
| 16:20.26 | user01 | why is LANG=C useful when scripting? |
| 16:20.26 | jaggz | I can't find any mention of iptables in /etc/network/ nor /etc/init.d/ |
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| 16:21.04 | msm_ | I have ROOT volume taking up all disk. I would like to partition it but not sure how. thinking debian-live should help. |
| 16:21.13 | jaggz | it's not the router's cache.. it's iptables.. the anywhere anywhere rules only apply to lo it seems |
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| 16:21.59 | msm_ | good looks like its done building... |
| 16:22.04 | msm_ | let me check |
| 16:22.06 | user01 | i cant figure it out, and it is an objective for the lpic |
| 16:22.12 | msm_ | how can I check if the image has lvm2 support now ? |
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| 16:22.16 | wathek | hello all |
| 16:22.18 | user01 | Candidates should be able to localize a system in a different language than English. As well, an understanding of why LANG=C is useful when scripting. |
| 16:22.37 | user01 | I can do the first one :) |
| 16:22.41 | wathek | where can I find the package linux-headers-2.6.32-trunk-68 |
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| 16:22.43 | user01 | second part i have no clue |
| 16:22.45 | wathek | where can I find the package linux-headers-2.6.32-trunk-686 |
| 16:22.55 | wathek | in which repos ? |
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| 16:23.31 | user01 | I guess . . . LANG=C does that set to C programming language? |
| 16:23.41 | user01 | or sets everything to English |
| 16:23.45 | \amethyst | LANG=C is the C or Posix locale |
| 16:23.49 | msm_ | is image for pen drive same as ISO image ? |
| 16:23.50 | \amethyst | i.e. unlocalized |
| 16:23.51 | msm_ | I guess yes |
| 16:24.32 | ajbourg | I installed debian-backports-keyring but every time I try to install a backports package, it's unauthenticated. Any ideas why? |
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| 16:25.36 | project2501b | has anybody used kestrelhpc? |
| 16:27.09 | jordanm | ajbourg: you have to run aptitude update after you install the key |
| 16:27.41 | user01 | \amethyst: so then, it would be useful in scripting because . . . it would default to the language it was originally programmed in? |
| 16:27.41 | ajbourg | jordanm: I knew it had to be easy. Thanks!! |
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| 16:27.58 | \amethyst | user01: various Unix tools take locale into account |
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| 16:28.31 | jordanm | ajbourg: np |
| 16:28.38 | \amethyst | user01: so e.g. sorting order, or which characters are matched by [[:alpha:]] or even by ., can differ depending on locale |
| 16:29.32 | user01 | \amethyst: right so you set LANG=C and this helps scripting because . . . |
| 16:29.44 | jaggz | looks like it's /etc/ipmasq .. in ipmasq/rules/*.def and ipmasq/ipmasq-down/*.def are the only mntions of $IPTABLES |
| 16:29.51 | \amethyst | user01: likewise, in many non-C locales, [A-Z] will match lowercase b, c, d, etc |
| 16:30.12 | user01 | \amethyst: ah ok |
| 16:30.53 | user01 | \amethyst: so basically, it defaults to the basic C posix standard enabling scripts to be run |
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| 16:33.23 | \amethyst | user01: well, scripts can be run in other locales, and often it makes sense... but LC_CTYPE and LC_COLLATE especially can change the way things like regexp and sorting behave |
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| 16:33.58 | \amethyst | user01: and LC_MESSAGES can make it impossible to parse error messages, should you need to do that for some reason |
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| 16:34.15 | \amethyst | user01: it sounds like you need to do some reading up on locales |
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| 16:34.46 | user01 | \amethyst: well, i did but all it talks about is utf-8 iso language, not the C locales |
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| 16:35.06 | rossonr | greetings |
| 16:35.15 | slidesinger | output from netstat: udp6 0 0 [::]tftp [::]:* I've never seen udp6 before. |
| 16:35.20 | \amethyst | user01: http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9699919799/ might be one place to look |
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| 16:35.31 | slidesinger | Anyone know what it means? |
| 16:35.49 | rossonr | anyone know a way of resyncing a system when a proxy server has hosed the pull of updated packages |
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| 16:39.16 | msm_ | I added lvm2 to lh_packages_list but the image does not have the lvm2 binaries |
| 16:39.35 | slidesinger | !udp6 |
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| 16:41.56 | project2501b | dpkg debian netinstall |
| 16:41.56 | dpkg | project2501b: I wish you would RTFM. |
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| 16:45.55 | msm_ | whats best debian rescue image to put on pen drive ? |
| 16:46.23 | msm_ | debian-live is lame |
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| 16:48.22 | luminoso | which package provides "killall"? |
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| 16:49.52 | \amethyst | luminoso: apt-file search bin/killall => psmisc: /usr/bin/killall |
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| 16:50.02 | luminoso | \amethyst, nice tip |
| 16:50.03 | luminoso | thank you |
| 16:50.04 | luminoso | !!!!!!!! |
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| 16:50.38 | \amethyst | luminoso: 'pkill', which does basically the same thing, is in package 'psmisc' |
| 16:50.44 | jhutchins_lt | slidesinger: Universal Datagram Protocol v.6 |
| 16:51.00 | \amethyst | luminoso: which has Priority: important, so is more likely to be installed |
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| 16:51.33 | \amethyst | luminoso: err, sorry, 'pkill' is in 'procps' I meant |
| 16:51.46 | luminoso | apt-file is awesome |
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| 16:52.00 | luminoso | i've only used aptitude so far |
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| 16:52.19 | luminoso | thank you \amethyst |
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| 16:54.35 | jaggz | apt-cache too |
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| 17:10.20 | JyZyXEL | has squeeze been frozen yet? |
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| 17:11.20 | jhutchins_lt | JyZyXEL: No. |
| 17:13.21 | crypted | i dont think squeeze will ever come outs |
| 17:13.23 | crypted | :( |
| 17:13.31 | mguy | JyZyXEL: http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ |
| 17:13.49 | mguy | Just run it, why do you need the official release? |
| 17:14.44 | crypted | oh im just cheering for it |
| 17:15.13 | crypted | id like to get our debian servers on it at some point |
| 17:15.20 | crypted | but noone will agree with me to do a pre-release upgrade |
| 17:15.24 | crypted | no big deal imo |
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| 17:16.30 | JyZyXEL | im thinking when its frozen it means no new versions of packages will be accepted |
| 17:16.43 | JyZyXEL | only bug fixes |
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| 17:16.56 | JyZyXEL | and once everything is fixed then it releases |
| 17:17.24 | crypted | right on |
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| 17:36.29 | msm_ | I lh_config with -p lvm2 and then did lh_build but the image does not have lvm tools |
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| 17:42.17 | craigevil | crypted: http://www.debian-news.net/2010/06/14/bits-from-the-release-team-current-status-where-next-scheduling/ |
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| 17:58.39 | pyrophelia | How do I use the find command to find Folders? When I use find only the individual file comes out. |
| 17:58.55 | jhutchins_lt | craigevil: Thanks for that link. |
| 17:58.56 | mguy | what command are you using, exactly |
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| 17:59.11 | Trengo | find / -type d -iname '*somedir*' -print |
| 17:59.11 | pyrophelia | find /opt/fs/2009 -iname '*256' |
| 17:59.14 | jordanm | pyrophelia: find / -type d |
| 17:59.33 | pyrophelia | but that only gives me the file, it doesn't give me the folder, and I need the folder :/ |
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| 18:00.01 | jordanm | pyrophelia: sounds like the directory does not match the name '*256' |
| 18:00.07 | pyrophelia | crap >< |
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| 18:00.36 | Delf | How do I install a package using terminal in Debian? |
| 18:00.47 | jordanm | Delf: use aptitude |
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| 18:00.52 | Delf | I've downloaded and extracted the package, now I see the source files |
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| 18:01.14 | laust | Hi everybody |
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| 18:01.40 | jordanm | Delf: not a debian package? what software is this? an upstream tarball is not usually referred to as a "package" |
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| 18:01.57 | Delf | tinc |
| 18:02.11 | jordanm | Delf: aptitude install tinc |
| 18:02.19 | Delf | it's not the latest version |
| 18:02.24 | laust | sorry if it's trivial but... is it possible to do a net install over wifi? |
| 18:02.37 | jordanm | Delf: what does the latest version have that the one in the repos does not? |
| 18:02.50 | cahoot | laust: in principle yes |
| 18:02.50 | Delf | bug fixes mostly |
| 18:03.15 | jordanm | ,versions tinc |
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| 18:03.17 | judd | tinc -- etch: 1.0.5-1; lenny: 1.0.8-2; lenny-backports: 1.0.12-1~bpo50; sid: 1.0.13-1; squeeze: 1.0.13-1 |
| 18:03.28 | jordanm | Delf: then install 1.0.12 from lenny-backports |
| 18:03.32 | jordanm | !tell Delf about bpo |
| 18:03.35 | Delf | that, i allready have |
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| 18:03.55 | Delf | thats the current one i got and i'm trying to install the newer version |
| 18:04.01 | jordanm | Delf: and there is some kind of bug that was fixed between .12 -> .13 that you are suffering from? |
| 18:04.10 | laust | cahoot> it's intel wifi (iwl 4965).. i'm now on gentoo and had to install a ucode, and i wouldn't like to discover the need of it after formatting |
| 18:04.25 | Delf | yes, why would I want to switch versions otherwise |
| 18:04.43 | cahoot | laust: you need the firmware |
| 18:04.56 | laust | cahoot> argh |
| 18:04.59 | jordanm | Delf: some people have solutions in search of problems |
| 18:05.02 | jordanm | !tell Delf about ssb |
| 18:05.14 | cahoot | laust: I'd suggest wired connection at least for the basic system |
| 18:05.21 | laust | i guess i'll have to wait until i can put my hands on a cabled network then |
| 18:05.27 | Delf | http://tinc-vpn.org/git/browse?p=tinc;a=commit;h=4a21aabada23d1d2c8a10f54dd7248171c4ec82f |
| 18:06.14 | laust | cahoot> how long is the install of a basic system? or can i find an install cd that ships the fw? |
| 18:06.20 | Delf | I'm not looking for problems, for god sakes. |
| 18:06.35 | Delf | I'm looking for solutions |
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| 18:08.08 | craigevil | Delf: you might check the changelog for the package it might already have the bug fixes |
| 18:08.18 | tharkun | How can i find out if a machine has an mta installed? |
| 18:08.46 | Delf | craigevil: It doesn't, the fix is new and does no exist in the older versions |
| 18:08.48 | tharkun | Disregard the above, too stupid a question |
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| 18:09.13 | Delf | My question the stupid one? |
| 18:09.28 | tharkun | no, mine |
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| 18:11.05 | Delf | Mine too, it seems. |
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| 18:11.09 | craigevil | Delf: build it from sid using the ssb info that pdkg gave you |
| 18:11.24 | craigevil | s/pdkg/dpkg |
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| 18:12.54 | phobosd | hello, i have a question about apt-mirror and mirror.list |
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| 18:13.06 | tharkun | !tell phobosd about ask |
| 18:13.17 | Delf | I don't understand craigevil |
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| 18:13.47 | phobosd | i'm trying to setup a netinstall mirror for i386 and am64 |
| 18:13.53 | phobosd | my mirror.list looks like this: http://pastebin.com/RcvtNr57 |
| 18:13.55 | tharkun | If i set up apt-cacher will it speed up multiple fresh installs or is it only suited for updates? |
| 18:14.06 | phobosd | but for some reason i'm missing some files... |
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| 18:15.04 | laust | looks like i can get a cabled port on the router.. see ya soon on debian then :-) |
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| 18:16.22 | RandomTask | Hello ... I just updated my debian box and it appears evolution no longer can 'send/recieve' email. I've found similar problems from 2008 online ... but the work around 'File->Work Online' option is greyed out. |
| 18:16.39 | RandomTask | Any suggestion would be great? |
| 18:17.07 | tharkun | RandomTask: your are updating ? from sarge to etch or etch to lenny? |
| 18:17.37 | RandomTask | squeeze |
| 18:17.50 | RandomTask | just did a apt-get dist-update today |
| 18:17.52 | jhutchins_lt | RandomTask: All I can suggest is to check your configuration for your on-line accounts. |
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| 18:18.01 | tau | if i run a program using nice -10 program, i will have a better perfomance for this program at all ? |
| 18:18.17 | jhutchins_lt | tau: It depends on what resources the program uses. |
| 18:18.29 | jhutchins_lt | tau: How much CPU does it normally use? |
| 18:18.41 | r3m | Hi, I use the mail command to send a mail to me, But i dont receive any mail. Do i need to configure something before using it |
| 18:18.43 | RandomTask | The accounts are good ... smtp pop accounts are all good |
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| 18:18.47 | jhutchins_lt | tau:What program is it, what does it do? |
| 18:19.01 | tau | jhutchins_lt: for example, if i am using mencoder to decode a movie. |
| 18:19.02 | jhutchins_lt | r3m: Check the logs and see what it did. |
| 18:19.07 | tau | jhutchins_lt: and i use nice -10 mencoder etc... |
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| 18:19.26 | r3m | jhutchins /var/log/messages? |
| 18:19.26 | tau | jhutchins_lt: it will finish the process faster than if i hadn't used nice -19 ? |
| 18:19.41 | tharkun | tau: the availability of resources is sometimes the bottleneck of the processes |
| 18:19.56 | jhutchins_lt | tau: Really only one way to find out how it will work in your environment. |
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| 18:20.06 | tau | jhutchins_lt: for example look at it |
| 18:20.08 | jhutchins_lt | tau: It will depend on what other tasks are using the CPU. |
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| 18:20.27 | tau | http://img248.imageshack.us/i/snapshot5v.png/ <-- i was running mencoder with -19. |
| 18:20.30 | jhutchins_lt | tau: Chances are my environment is completely different. |
| 18:20.30 | tharkun | how many cpus you have, the availability of ram and a bunch of other stuffs |
| 18:20.37 | tau | it finished faster than when i hadn't used. |
| 18:20.51 | r3m | jhutchins_lt: but i dont understand, I dont set an smtp server.. how it can work |
| 18:21.21 | jhutchins_lt | r3m: /var/log/mail* would be logical. |
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| 18:22.11 | r3m | jhutchins_lt: how it work. When I receive my mail I will see what adress for the source |
| 18:22.22 | tau | sure |
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| 18:23.08 | r3m | no error |
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| 18:26.06 | tharkun | r3m: Check on syslog mta usually log also there. Maybe you've got a null mailer or something similar |
| 18:26.25 | ries | Hey all, a client is asking me for a 'server assessment' now I can do some things in the area where I am good at, but I am looking for a tool that can give me some tacktical info like what users have sudo rights, who has FTP access, what directories have incorrect permissions etc. Is there such a tool? |
| 18:27.02 | r3m | tharkun: I need to have a smtp server running or can I specify a smtp server like in my GUI mail client |
| 18:27.54 | craigevil | r3m: system mail? dpkg-reconfigure exim or whatever mta that you are using |
| 18:27.55 | mguy | ries: You're looking for auditing tools |
| 18:28.17 | ries | mguy: yup! That might be a better name |
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| 18:28.26 | tharkun | r3m: afaik the mail program uses the sendmail command to deliver the mail to an mta. Guess you need it |
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| 18:28.48 | tharkun | i believe using a null mailer can also help you. |
| 18:29.26 | ries | mguy: do you happen to know of any tools? |
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| 18:29.53 | stranger | greetings |
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| 18:32.29 | jordanm | ries: if such did exist, it would have to for one, be able to parse the config file for many different types of FTP daemons |
| 18:33.04 | ries | jordanm: I am sure some smart people can do that.... |
| 18:33.04 | lindi- | ries: apt-get install tiger |
| 18:33.11 | jordanm | ries: all system users could have FTP access, or it could be a seperate virtual users table. I don't believe you will find something automated to do your job here |
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| 18:33.24 | lindi- | ries: apt-get install nagios3 munin |
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| 18:33.47 | stranger | I seem to have trouble viewing avi and wmv videos, vlc complains about codecs not supported such as mp42, dx50, iv50, divx, wma2, wmv2. mpg seems working |
| 18:33.57 | ries | jordanm: I think so... may be I should hire a company to do it ....... I know my way around, but I don't see myself doing such an audit |
| 18:33.59 | lindi- | stranger: does it work with mplayer? |
| 18:34.12 | jordanm | ries: its specifically a security audit? |
| 18:34.15 | stranger | I started having this problem after the last apt-upgrade |
| 18:34.20 | ries | jordanm: mostly yes |
| 18:34.55 | stranger | lindi-, no |
| 18:35.09 | lindi- | stranger: can you put the output online? |
| 18:35.12 | jordanm | ries: then some tools lindi- mentioned should be helpful. |
| 18:35.40 | ries | taking a look at them.. some of them I know, lot's of tools exist for intrusion detection... |
| 18:36.18 | tharkun | ries: netstat -pantu should give you a start point to begin auditing. |
| 18:36.54 | craigevil | tiger is only useful if it was installed and the database built when the system was installed, its pretty much useless otherwise the same for most other intrusion detection apps |
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| 18:38.14 | jordanm | snort is typically implemented using a passive tap and does not require things as such |
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| 18:40.13 | stranger | lindi-, http://paste.debian.net/77516/ |
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| 18:41.27 | gangil | a noob question : what is the default file system in Lenny? |
| 18:41.36 | valdyn | gangil: ext3 |
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| 18:41.44 | gangil | ok thanks |
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| 18:45.02 | stranger | lindi-, as I said before, this never happened to me before the last system update, |
| 18:45.10 | dizzey | Here is a odd question is it possible to run cups without having a modules.dep, and the thing is fixing the modules.dep should be a way bigger hurdel than getting cups to run without it. I wish to run cups on my celluar phone to access network printers and my phone is running debian in a chrooted env hence there is no keren package for my phone or if there was one it would not matter since it would not mach the kerenel in the host os. and also i have no need f |
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| 18:45.21 | stranger | lindi-, btw, I am using squeeze |
| 18:46.15 | jordanm | dizzey: sure you are not looking for #debian-openmoko? |
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| 18:47.03 | Mikae | Hello all. |
| 18:47.07 | craigevil | stranger: what version of ffmpeg are you using? apt-cache policy ffmpeg , might try using ffmpeg from the debian-multimedia.org repo |
| 18:47.13 | Mikae | Did someone try to debug ld.so? |
| 18:47.49 | dizzey | jordanm: weel no mabye mameo since that is the host os, but then there is no cups port for the host os wich is why debian is running in chroot in the first place |
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| 18:51.16 | stranger | lindi-, Installed: 5:0.6~svn20100526-0.0 |
| 18:51.32 | project2501b | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:51.38 | project2501b | and how can one create a custom one? |
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| 18:54.16 | jhutchins_lt | project2501b: That is a question for google, but you will find good answers. |
| 18:54.33 | jhutchins_lt | project2501b: Depends on where the pxelinux came from. |
| 18:54.42 | r3m | to send mail via mail command i need a smtp client not a smtp server? I mean the client would send the mail to a smtp server |
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| 18:55.30 | project2501b | jhutchins: i did try google before i asked here, mate. |
| 18:55.39 | project2501b | ok, let me rephrase the question: |
| 18:55.56 | jhutchins_lt | knows it's out there because he's worked on it. |
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| 18:56.25 | project2501b | i used " pxelinux.0 contents" as my search string. May i please have a better search string? |
| 18:56.27 | dominet | hello folks |
| 18:56.30 | jhutchins_lt | I have an ltsp server that runs several devices here. |
| 18:56.31 | project2501b | hello |
| 18:56.33 | dominet | will i need more than CD1 to install debian? |
| 18:56.41 | project2501b | dominet: no |
| 18:56.43 | project2501b | just one |
| 18:56.49 | dominet | many thanks project2501a |
| 18:56.52 | project2501b | not even a cd, you can use a usb device |
| 18:57.00 | project2501b | and i'm learning how to netboot :> |
| 18:57.07 | dominet | indeed |
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| 18:57.34 | jhutchins_lt | project2501b: I think the netboot install guide has some information, but generally just "pxelinux" or "pxelinux.0". |
| 18:57.48 | jhutchins_lt | project2501b: I messed with the clonezilla project for a while but never quite got what I wanted. |
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| 18:58.35 | jhutchins_lt | project2501b: It's pretty well documented at the syslinux project site. |
| 18:58.35 | project2501b | mmm. i just searched using "custom pxelinux" |
| 18:58.40 | project2501b | aha |
| 18:58.42 | project2501b | danke |
| 18:58.57 | Mikae | Fuck, it looks like '-g' debug info doesn't work on 64bit platform. |
| 18:59.08 | jhutchins_lt | project2501b: It's a bit maddening - one of those hierarchical things where it's hard to tell what to change where. |
| 18:59.39 | project2501b | i'm more interested right now in the contents and how is it possible to compile one, than changing it |
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| 18:59.49 | project2501b | i got too many things to juggle already |
| 19:02.02 | stranger | lindi-, I am reinstalling vlc and hoping |
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| 19:04.17 | deadend | hello i have one problem. here is a streaming http://news.ert.gr/sports/pagkosmio-kypello-podosfairoy-2010/diorganosi/17412-synergasia-ert-kai-ebu-gia-to-p-k/selida-3 |
| 19:04.32 | deadend | i can view it with epiphany but not with iceweasel... |
| 19:04.56 | stranger | reinstalled vlc but nothing changed |
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| 19:06.36 | jhutchins_lt | stranger: So either fall back to the snapshot you made prior to the last upgrade, or switch to stable until they come up wiht a fix. |
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| 19:07.49 | slidesinger | tftp-hpa -- netstat shows as running, but all file transfers time out. |
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| 19:08.00 | stranger | jhutchins_lt, so is it a problem with the latest vlc? or maybe something else. |
| 19:08.08 | jhutchins_lt | Yes. |
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| 19:08.27 | craigevil | deadend: aptitude install mozilla-mplayer , epiphany uses the gstreamer plugin, with iceweasel you either need mozilla-mplayer, xine-plugin, mozilla-plugin-vlc, totem-mozilla |
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| 19:09.16 | stranger | jhutchins_lt, I do not need to go to stable for this computer, I run stable in my home network server. I can live with some problems here and there |
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| 19:10.02 | abrotman | stranger: let me tell you about my problems ... |
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| 19:10.13 | jhutchins_lt | stranger: Sounds like a typical testing update that didn't update all the related packages. |
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| 19:10.45 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions vlc |
| 19:10.47 | judd | vlc -- etch: 0.8.6-svn20061012.debian-5.1+etch3; etch-security: 0.8.6-svn20061012.debian-5.1+etch3; lenny: 0.8.6.h-4+lenny2; lenny-security: 0.8.6.h-4+lenny2.3; sid: 1.0.6-1; squeeze: 1.0.6-1 |
| 19:10.56 | phobosd | i didnt expect it to be so hard to setup a damn debian mirror lol |
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| 19:11.13 | phobosd | like, this is obnoxiously annoying |
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| 19:15.23 | deadend | craigevil, there is mozilla-mplayer (i have debian64/sid) |
| 19:15.34 | jhutchins_lt | stranger: So you don't snapshot prior to updating? |
| 19:15.57 | deadend | and i have installed mozilla-plugin-vlc and totem-mozilla |
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| 19:18.39 | deadend | there is no mozzila-mplayer |
| 19:18.42 | deadend | ^ |
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| 19:19.49 | craigevil | deadend: on sid its called gecko-mediaplayer |
| 19:20.00 | gcc45lover | hello guys, the next stable is to be based on gcc 4.5 or not? |
| 19:20.15 | jordanm | ,versions gcc |
| 19:20.16 | judd | gcc -- etch: 4:4.1.1-15; lenny: 4:4.3.2-2; squeeze: 4:4.4.3-1; sid: 4:4.4.4-2 |
| 19:20.29 | gcc45lover | excellent, thanks judd |
| 19:20.40 | diago | man judd is fast |
| 19:20.56 | gcc45lover | i assume that i can have gcc 4.5 on testing through piggiebacking on experimental only ? |
| 19:21.12 | jordanm | gcc45lover: that is only the default gcc (and presumably the version the packages are built with). other versions are offered in different packages |
| 19:21.25 | jordanm | ,versions gcc4.5 |
| 19:21.25 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'gcc4.5' was found. |
| 19:21.43 | jordanm | ,versions gcc-4.5 |
| 19:21.45 | judd | gcc-4.5 -- experimental: 4.5.0-5 |
| 19:22.09 | maximusbrood | I have an Intel DQ35JOE motherboard with integrated Firewire/IEEE1394 support, but I'm not able to access the device. I'm running Debian Lenny. The ieee1394 kernel modules are running, but 'lspci -nvv' doesn't mention a Firewire device, nor is it in /dev (http://pastebin.com/RC4WsDLQ). How can I fix this and access my Firewire device? |
| 19:22.35 | stranger | jhutchins_lt, never knew it is possible. how to do that? |
| 19:22.36 | gcc45lover | kind of needing it for a C++0x project with already a no-turning-back codebase |
| 19:22.38 | deadend | craigevil, still no luck |
| 19:22.45 | craigevil | deadend: are using ffmpeg from the debian repos or from debian-multimedia.org? |
| 19:22.51 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions mplayerplug-in |
| 19:22.54 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'mplayerplug-in' was found. |
| 19:23.03 | diago | maximusbrood: it is enabled in bios? |
| 19:23.05 | simonrvn | mplayer-plugin maybe |
| 19:23.09 | gcc45lover | anyway, thanks guys |
| 19:23.14 | deadend | debian only |
| 19:23.14 | simonrvn | ,version mplayer-plugin |
| 19:23.19 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions mplayerplug-in |
| 19:23.19 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'mplayerplug-in' was found. |
| 19:23.21 | simonrvn | ,versions mplayer-plugin |
| 19:23.23 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'mplayer-plugin' was found. |
| 19:23.24 | jhutchins_lt | Mrmph. |
| 19:23.34 | jhutchins_lt | simonrvn: dpkg lists it here. |
| 19:23.35 | craigevil | mozilla-mplayer is in stable, in testing and sid its called gecko-mediaplayer |
| 19:23.35 | simonrvn | not fetching dmm i guess |
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| 19:23.53 | maximusbrood | diago: Ah, I didn't think of that. Going to check now. |
| 19:24.11 | jhutchins_lt | stranger: You need a spare HD with enough space, either use dd or some backup utility to copy the system parts of the tree. |
| 19:24.14 | deadend | craigevil, only the debian. i dont have debian in sources.list |
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| 19:25.36 | jhutchins_lt | stranger: I don't save anything locally - any document or download goes on a server - so it's easy for me to just snapshot the whole drive. |
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| 19:26.14 | jhutchins_lt | stranger: boot to a CD, dd if=/dev/sda1 of=/mnt/usb/<date> |
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| 19:26.46 | jhutchins_lt | stranger: Run the update, if it messes up, dd if=/mnt/usb/<date> of=/dev/sda1 |
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| 19:27.57 | deadend | craigevil, can mozilla run with gstreamer ? like epiphany? |
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| 19:28.48 | simonrvn | needs the totem plugins iirc |
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| 19:29.50 | craigevil | deadend: using totem-mozilla, never used totem, gecko-mediaplayer has always worked for me, but i also use ffmpeg from dmm |
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| 19:30.12 | simonrvn | jhutchins_lt: judd gets data from UDD (see the debian wiki) |
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| 19:31.21 | deadend | craigevil, lets install the debian multimedia ffmpeg |
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| 19:31.54 | themill | jhutchins_lt: not a debian package, I guess... |
| 19:32.19 | jhutchins_lt | themill: Might have been changed or something. |
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| 19:33.00 | jhutchins_lt | themill: Virtual package, aptitude finds it too. |
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| 19:33.29 | jhutchins_lt | alias for mozilla-mplayer |
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| 19:33.37 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions mozilla-mplayer |
| 19:33.43 | judd | mozilla-mplayer -- etch: 3.31+main-1; lenny: 3.55-1.1; etch-multimedia: 1:3.40-0.1; lenny-multimedia: 1:3.55-0.0 |
| 19:33.44 | themill | ahh.... judd only does concrete packages by default. |
| 19:33.52 | themill | ,rprovides mplayerplug-in |
| 19:33.54 | judd | mplayerplug-in in lenny/i386 is provided by: mozilla-mplayer. |
| 19:35.40 | simonrvn | pffttrtftrtrtftftfttttt |
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| 19:36.44 | deadend | craigevil, which version of ffmpeg you have? |
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| 19:37.17 | dirthead | I have a server running debian 3.1. Is it possible to upgrade all the way to squeeze in one shot? |
| 19:37.48 | simonrvn | eh, i wouldn't recommend it |
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| 19:38.07 | dirthead | that's what I figured |
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| 19:38.49 | simonrvn | the deps are figured out for step-by-step upgrades |
| 19:39.11 | simonrvn | if you did, you'd potentially get a lot of breakage |
| 19:39.19 | stranger | jhutchins_lt, seems like alot of planning and work as this a notebook with many system partitions mixed with data partitions |
| 19:39.31 | dirthead | ic. so it may just be easier to reinstall squeeze from scratch |
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| 19:39.46 | simonrvn | nah, just take a while |
| 19:39.56 | simonrvn | you can do it while running ;p |
| 19:40.03 | jhutchins_lt | stranger: Never hurts to have a data backup. |
| 19:40.03 | simonrvn | except the kernel update ;) |
| 19:40.11 | dirthead | :) |
| 19:40.13 | jhutchins_lt | stranger: You might look at rdiff-backup. |
| 19:40.28 | stranger | jhutchins_lt, :-) |
| 19:41.01 | stranger | jhutchins_lt, thanks a lot for the inf |
| 19:41.57 | stranger | it seems I will need a new BIG harddisk in the server :-) |
| 19:42.58 | jhutchins_lt | stranger: Meanwhile make sure the package is installed from multimedia, and check for codec packages. |
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| 19:45.33 | jhutchins_lt | I took a dell that came with raid, split the two drives (don't trust dell raid), and the backups of the data drive go to the unused space on the sys drive. |
| 19:45.36 | Spec | Heya. If I've got two drivers that can both handle the same NIC, and one is compiled into the kernel, and one is a module, how do I tell the kernel to use the module(vmxnet) over the driver(pcnet32) built into the kernel? |
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| 19:48.18 | gangil | I am not to install build-essential as well as many other packages (like synaptic) using aptitude install <package> . I get te following error : http://pastebin.com/ac8rihnH , This is my sources.list : http://pastebin.com/19nfzatE . Can someone tell me where is the problem ? |
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| 19:51.03 | craigevil | deadend: 5:0.6~svn20100603-0.0 from dmm |
| 19:51.07 | jhutchins_lt | gangil: Does aptitude update give any errors? |
| 19:51.52 | gangil | jhutchins_lt: will try it and reply back |
| 19:52.12 | deadend | mm craigevil i have the same |
| 19:53.06 | Da_Wrecka | Relative newbie question. Swap partition on a USB hard drive; The hard drive shares a USB hub with a mouse and a DVD-ROM drive; Good idea or not? |
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| 19:53.32 | jhutchins_lt | Da_Wrecka: Swap on flash bad. |
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| 19:53.37 | Da_Wrecka | It's not flash |
| 19:53.41 | Da_Wrecka | It's an actual hard drive |
| 19:53.46 | Da_Wrecka | a laptop hard drive to be precise |
| 19:53.47 | Spec | probably not a good idea |
| 19:54.01 | jhutchins_lt | Da_Wrecka: Not ideal, but it could work. |
| 19:54.02 | tbsaunde | Da_Wrecka: a slow idea |
| 19:54.03 | Spec | but once you start swapping, you're in a bad situation anyways. |
| 19:54.25 | Da_Wrecka | Yeah... It does seem to work well enough with no swap at all. Just wondering whether it was worth considering. |
| 19:54.25 | jhutchins_lt | Da_Wrecka: Swap over USB is going to be ... disappointing. |
| 19:54.44 | jhutchins_lt | Da_Wrecka: It certainly won't improve performance. |
| 19:55.01 | Da_Wrecka | It's USB2.0, so it's not going to be terrible... Probably more bandwidth on the USB than the hard drive is really capable of sustaining. |
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| 19:55.42 | Da_Wrecka | Oh well, it was just a thought. |
| 19:55.49 | Da_Wrecka | Better than swap on the internal drive, that's for damn sure. |
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| 19:56.05 | jhutchins_lt | Da_Wrecka: Huh? Why? |
| 19:56.55 | Da_Wrecka | because the internal drive is a shitty 8GB SSD with write performance so low it's not just in the toilet but all the way back at the sewage processing centre. |
| 19:57.15 | jhutchins_lt | Heh. Bad choice or worse. I'd just skip swap. |
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| 19:57.39 | Da_Wrecka | I'm hoping to swap it for a 1.8" 30GB drive, but I've got the wrong cables. |
| 19:57.52 | Da_Wrecka | By which I mean a 30GB hard drive, I should specify. |
| 19:58.27 | Da_Wrecka | The battery life will probably take a hit, but it'll be worth it to not have the thing stall so bloody much. Well okay, it's only Image Viewer that stalls a lot. |
| 19:58.44 | Da_Wrecka | But it's got a gig and a half of RAM, so it's got plenty to work with. |
| 19:58.45 | r3m | I dont understand why we need to install a smtp server to use the mail command. Why not use a smtp client and tell him to use my ISP smtp server. When I use thunderbird I specify this smtp server. |
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| 19:59.11 | Lcawte | Whats the lastest stable version of mercurial for debina? |
| 19:59.14 | Lcawte | debian* |
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| 19:59.56 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions mercurial |
| 19:59.58 | judd | mercurial -- etch: 0.9.1-1+etch1; etch-backports: 1.0.1-5.1~bpo40+1; lenny: 1.0.1-5.1; lenny-backports: 1.3.1-1~bpo50+2; sid: 1.5.2-1; squeeze: 1.5.2-1 |
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| 20:00.46 | Lcawte | trys to pick out the mercurial version that would be displayed by hg --version |
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| 20:01.31 | r3m | I dont understand why we need to install a smtp server to use the mail command. Why not use a smtp client and tell him to use my ISP smtp server. When I use thunderbird I specify this smtp server. |
| 20:01.32 | Lcawte | oooh, lenny 1.0.1? |
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| 20:01.53 | jhutchins_lt | Lcawte: 1.0.1-5.1 Would be the official stable, with 1.3.1-1 available from stable backports. |
| 20:02.42 | themill | r3m: what do you want to call the thing that turns /usr/bin/mail into an smtp conversation with your ISPs SMTP server? |
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| 20:03.55 | r3m | themill: but why people install a smtp server instead of using gmail or their isp |
| 20:04.11 | themill | dpkg: tell r3m about why an mta |
| 20:04.16 | jhutchins_lt | r3m: That's just how these things work. It handles internal delivery of system messages. |
| 20:04.31 | jhutchins_lt | r3m: Works on systems not connected to the internet. |
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| 20:05.00 | puty | hi. any debian program to put subtitle to xvid? thanks |
| 20:05.01 | themill | r3m: and you would quite frequently just set that local mail transport agent to pass that mail off to some central SMTP server exactly as you suggest |
| 20:05.02 | jhutchins_lt | r3m: What you're seeing is utilities that are not network aware requiring a local server instead of network-aware utilities. |
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| 20:05.12 | r3m | Ok but there is a way to tell mail command to use another smtp |
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| 20:05.37 | jhutchins_lt | r3m: No, mail only works locally. |
| 20:05.49 | gangil | jhutchins_lt: I think the aptitude update will do the trick , it's still running now (downloading) |
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| 20:06.08 | jhutchins_lt | gangil: Yeah, if it's taking a while to run that's probably the reason. |
| 20:06.10 | r3m | jhutchins_lt: so i need to install a smtp server |
| 20:06.27 | tharkun | r3m: i posted an answer for your question long ago |
| 20:06.29 | jhutchins_lt | gangil: I've commented out the src repositories for more efficient updates, if you have a slow link it can make a difference. |
| 20:06.39 | jhutchins_lt | r3m: Yep. |
| 20:06.49 | r3m | jhutchins_lt: thanks |
| 20:07.00 | r3m | themill: thanks too |
| 20:07.11 | r3m | tharkun: sorry i didnt see it |
| 20:07.15 | jhutchins_lt | r3m: Doesn't need to be a big complex deal, just take the defaults and it should work fine. |
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| 20:07.39 | r3m | jhutchins_lt: the default is local mail? |
| 20:07.55 | jhutchins_lt | Right. |
| 20:08.14 | jhutchins_lt | r3m: It can be told to forward to a public server. |
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| 20:08.58 | jhutchins_lt | r3m: Are you just trying to get console-based mail? |
| 20:09.13 | jhutchins_lt | r3m: You can use mutt or alpine for that, they can deal with remote servers. |
| 20:09.55 | r3m | jhutchins_lt: no only send system info to me |
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| 20:10.49 | r3m | jhutchins: so I use Direct (internet site) Smarthost or local only |
| 20:10.51 | tharkun | r3m: you can script mutt so you can use it instead of mail |
| 20:10.57 | tharkun | Smarthost |
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| 20:11.41 | r3m | the smarthost is a smpt server? |
| 20:11.55 | r3m | I mean its a smtp serv? |
| 20:12.26 | tharkun | the smarthost is the mail gateway. Your isp provider or however you send mail using your regular gui mua |
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| 20:14.25 | wathek | hello all |
| 20:14.32 | eshat | GOALLLLL! |
| 20:14.34 | eshat | for korea |
| 20:14.40 | themill | points towards #debian-offtopic |
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| 20:15.30 | r3m | themill: but if the guy im contacting is on the same mail server as me? The mail will be in spam due to my dynamic IP? I mean smarthost are there to prevent that but if the guy is on the same as me... |
| 20:15.40 | wathek | really Debian is the best distro ever created |
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| 20:16.09 | tharkun | r3m: no, because you will use submission port and authenticate to the smarthost |
| 20:16.13 | themill | r3m: the mail routing shouldn't send it off the local machine if that's going to be its ultimate destination |
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| 20:19.36 | r3m | thanks for your time all really appreciate |
| 20:19.41 | r3m | bye |
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| 20:25.24 | eshat | is the flashplugin (64 bit) also affected by this: http://www.archlinux.org/news/501/ ? |
| 20:25.31 | eshat | in debian sid |
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| 20:28.19 | jordanm | eshat: that applies to everyone |
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| 20:28.57 | smhar | is there a 'chat' system I can use in my home network to allow 2 users to communicate and exchange files? |
| 20:29.24 | lindi- | smhar: jabber or irc at least |
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| 20:30.16 | smhar | lindi-, I was looking for IM type of chat |
| 20:30.26 | lindi- | smhar: aren't those IM? |
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| 20:31.14 | smhar | lindi-, can I use both with out the internet |
| 20:31.27 | jordanm | smhar: yes |
| 20:31.34 | lindi- | smhar: sure |
| 20:31.54 | gangil | what's the (terminal) command, to see info about the filesystem. Like what is the filesystem, blah , blah. |
| 20:31.56 | gangil | ? |
| 20:32.18 | jordanm | gangil: df? |
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| 20:32.30 | smhar | ok.. maybe irc do not, but do jaber offere offline file sending? |
| 20:32.43 | lindi- | smhar: offline? |
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| 20:33.14 | jhutchins | gangil: fdisk -l might be what you want. |
| 20:33.18 | lindi- | smhar: in IRC there's DCC which goes from client to client directly |
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| 20:33.25 | lindi- | smhar: i don't know about jabber |
| 20:33.33 | jhutchins | samferry: scp |
| 20:34.06 | smhar | lindi-, say I want to send a link to my wife's computer when it is off that once she logged in some 'popup' will announce the receiving of 'message' |
| 20:34.18 | jordanm | lindi-: quick google search looks like jabber is capable |
| 20:34.51 | jordanm | ehh, now it needs to popup notification on login? |
| 20:34.58 | jordanm | email? |
| 20:35.18 | lindi- | jordanm: email is not very good for files |
| 20:35.34 | jordanm | lindi-: it is if they are text files :) |
| 20:35.40 | smhar | jordanm, I was trying to avoid email for this. |
| 20:35.57 | lindi- | smhar: i'm not sure but i think jabber can store offline messages |
| 20:36.29 | smhar | lindi-, ok... it seems my poor server will need to handle yet another program :-) |
| 20:36.43 | lindi- | smhar: read http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0160.html to see the details |
| 20:37.09 | lindi- | smhar: i recommend you learn jabber first with a public server |
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| 20:38.14 | jordanm | didn't KDE implement some kind of "social desktop" that might do this? |
| 20:38.27 | smhar | lindi-, never used jabber before, but it is available as an option from my webhost |
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| 20:51.01 | Bushmills | lindi-: jabber does. it may depend on server |
| 20:51.48 | Bushmills | ejabberd stores messages to offline recipients |
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| 21:15.04 | smhar | how heavy -or light- is the jabber server on system resources? I have a very old, low specs pc that is already talking too much :-) |
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| 21:16.19 | dirthead | I've got a jabber server running on a pentium 3 just fine |
| 21:17.43 | tharkun | smhar: Allready talking too much?? |
| 21:18.42 | smhar | dirthead, this is a P2 266 with 32mb RAM that I am refusing to retire, yet :-) |
| 21:19.17 | smhar | tharkun, s/taking but its harddisk is talking too much due to swaping |
| 21:19.28 | dirthead | smhar: ah. I'm using openfire and it is currently using 75MB of resident memory |
| 21:20.32 | jhutchins_lt | Anybody know of an app that will crack passworded pdf's? |
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| 21:21.31 | smhar | dirthead, what is openfire? |
| 21:21.59 | dirthead | a jabber server implemented in java |
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| 21:23.02 | smhar | it sounds heavy already |
| 21:23.03 | karlpinc | jhutchins_lt: Last time I needed to bypass content restrictions I hacked the source to ignore the restrictions. It was painless. |
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| 21:23.58 | smhar | my server is running nfs server, Apache, MySQL, PHP among other small things |
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| 21:25.36 | dirthead | smhar: sounds like that server is loaded down already |
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| 21:26.05 | karlpinc | smhar: More ram. |
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| 21:27.36 | karlpinc | jhutchins_lt: pdfcrack |
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| 21:27.45 | smhar | karlpinc, is not worth it. it is an old tech RAM, that is not available in the market, I willl probably retire it in 3-4 months anyway |
| 21:27.58 | jhutchins_lt | karlpinc: Says it's not compatible with this version. |
| 21:28.28 | jhutchins_lt | karlpinc: The file is internally encrypted, so it might not decrypt without the password. |
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| 21:29.01 | karlpinc | jhutchins_lt: What's the version? |
| 21:29.02 | jhutchins_lt | Wouldn't mind, but this is a legitimate copy that intended a Windows system to download it. |
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| 21:29.34 | jhutchins_lt | OUt of the Adobe Digital Editions system. |
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| 21:30.16 | jhutchins_lt | karlpinc: might be PDF 1.3 |
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| 21:30.28 | cusco | hi... |
| 21:31.00 | cusco | I'm in the process of pluging in a crossed over network cable between two debian boxes |
| 21:31.22 | cusco | setting ifconfig eth1 192.168.1.7 in one |
| 21:31.33 | cusco | and ifconfig eth1 192.168.2.30 in the other one |
| 21:31.33 | jhutchins_lt | I may have to run through the windows process and see if it supplies an actual password. |
| 21:31.41 | cusco | wghat else do I need? |
| 21:31.59 | jhutchins_lt | cusco: Netmask of 255.255.0.0 or similar |
| 21:32.12 | jhutchins_lt | cusco: It's customary to use the same class C subnet. |
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| 21:32.38 | cusco | I wasn't spamming |
| 21:32.46 | karlpinc | jhutchins_lt: There's 0.11 of pdfcrack on sourceforge.... |
| 21:33.05 | jhutchins_lt | ,version pdfcrack |
| 21:33.20 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions pdfcrack |
| 21:33.21 | judd | pdfcrack -- etch: 0.8-1; lenny: 0.10-1; sid: 0.11-1; squeeze: 0.11-1 |
| 21:33.30 | jhutchins_lt | Hm. |
| 21:33.32 | jhutchins_lt | ssb. |
| 21:35.18 | click170 | cusco: As jhutchins_lt said when you were temporarily out of the channel, don't forget a netmask of 255.255.0.0 or similar. Its customary to use the same class C subnet. |
| 21:35.31 | jhutchins_lt | Looks like 11 is just a performance increase |
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| 21:36.03 | cusco | ok let me see |
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| 21:37.57 | karlpinc | jhutchins_lt: BTW, the way to talk xmodem to the other end of an ssh connection is to use socat to connect a pty to bash, then use minicom to connect to the pty and ssh from within that. |
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| 21:46.53 | jhutchins_lt | karlpinc: Glad I don't need to do that <grin>! |
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| 21:47.25 | jhutchins_lt | The only work-arounds for Adobe Digital Editions that I'm finding involve using a Windows PC (currently not available here). |
| 21:47.52 | jhutchins_lt | Adobe won't even let you download the windows or mac package on a linux box (I'm sure I could convince it, but...). |
| 21:48.08 | laleger | what's the best way to troubleshoot "package not found" errors when you know your sources.list is good |
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| 21:49.52 | jordanm | laleger: using the aptitude's search feature? trying to install a package that is not there doesn't really warrent for "troubleshooting" |
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| 21:50.07 | jordanm | laleger: what package? |
| 21:50.15 | laleger | shorewall-perl |
| 21:50.30 | laleger | apt-get can find all the other shorewall packages, same version and all |
| 21:50.35 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions shorewall-perl |
| 21:50.37 | judd | shorewall-perl -- lenny: 4.0.15-1; squeeze: 4.4.9-1; sid: 4.4.10-1 |
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| 21:51.03 | jordanm | laleger: what version of debian? |
| 21:51.14 | laleger | lenny |
| 21:51.17 | frikinz__ | karlpinc, do you know with socat how to create a redirection but not have the other side disconnected when one gets disconnected? |
| 21:51.29 | jhutchins_lt | laleger: Done an aptitude update lately? |
| 21:51.45 | jordanm | laleger: pastebin: aptitude update; apt-cache policy; apt-cache policy shorewall-perl |
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| 21:53.13 | laleger | http://pastebin.com/wrccrL2N |
| 21:53.16 | tharkun | how much ram will xdm spare compared to gdm or kdm ? |
| 21:54.24 | laleger | yup, strange... |
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| 21:54.45 | laleger | i could always go and download the deb and initiate the install that way, but don't see why i should have to |
| 21:55.03 | laleger | i like to know why things don't work when they should :> |
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| 21:56.35 | gangil | Hi , I can't get lsb_relese installed , Error message :"" . Here is my sources.list http://pastebin.com/19nfzatE , is there any important repo I am missing here ? |
| 21:56.48 | gangil | Error : Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "lsb_release" |
| 21:57.07 | gangil | all rest packages installed(git , subversion..) |
| 21:57.25 | \amethyst | gangil: the name of the package is 'lsb-release' |
| 21:57.46 | \amethyst | gangil: debian doesn't use underscores in package names |
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| 21:58.14 | gangil | \amethyst: thanks , working now :) , my mistake. |
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| 22:00.25 | jordanm | laleger: don't know.. its on that mirror and in the Packages file |
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| 22:01.16 | laleger | strange |
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| 22:03.24 | \amethyst | laleger: I wonder if maybe your Packages file got corrupted? I'd expect an error message then though |
| 22:03.31 | jordanm | laleger: grep shorewall-perl /var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_debian_dists_lenny_main_binary-i386_Packages |
| 22:03.50 | jordanm | \amethyst: I was thinking the same |
| 22:04.06 | \amethyst | well, I think here it's binary-amd64_Packages |
| 22:04.58 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions lsb-release |
| 22:05.01 | judd | lsb-release -- etch: 3.1-23.2etch1; lenny: 3.2-20; sid: 3.2-23.1; squeeze: 3.2-23.1 |
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| 22:06.15 | eest | anyone run into problems with libisc52 package |
| 22:06.19 | eest | *? |
| 22:06.25 | jhutchins_lt | By default judd only shows ix86 packages, right? |
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| 22:07.10 | eest | seems it is trying to install /usr/lib/libisc.so.50 and /usr/lib/libisc.so.50.2.1 which i would guess really should be a part if libisc50 |
| 22:07.31 | jordanm | jhutchins_lt: always defaults to lenny and i386 if not presented with options |
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| 22:09.13 | \amethyst | I guess it was deemed impossible to backport the bind9 changes? |
| 22:09.27 | \amethyst | it's kind of weird to see a new upstream version in stable-security |
| 22:10.50 | \amethyst | eest: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=584585 |
| 22:11.17 | eest | \amethyst: thanks mate |
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| 22:21.05 | tharkun | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:25.05 | dekroning | how can i convert a UTF-8 document into a normal ASCII document? |
| 22:25.54 | themill | !iconv |
| 22:25.54 | dpkg | it has been said that iconv is program that converts encoding of given files from one encoding to another. |
| 22:25.54 | DeathWolf | Iconv result: |
| 22:26.07 | dekroning | cool thanks |
| 22:26.24 | themill | dekroning: but note that to do so requires throwing away some information |
| 22:26.31 | dekroning | themill: ok |
| 22:27.01 | themill | (unless the text is already ascii only, in which case there's nothing to do anyway) |
| 22:27.42 | tharkun | I am resurecting from the garbage bin a 128 MB computer. How can i get rid of gdm and install xdm? |
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| 22:30.05 | qq- | , versions gdm |
| 22:30.06 | judd | gdm -- etch: 2.16.4-1; lenny: 2.20.7-4lenny1; sid: 2.20.10-3; squeeze: 2.20.10-3 |
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| 22:31.18 | qq- | tharkun, purge it , and install nothing .. use 'startx' to go X |
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| 22:32.49 | tharkun | qq-: i will not be the one using it, I am happy with screen and tty :-) |
| 22:33.37 | qq- | so why xdm? |
| 22:33.51 | tharkun | I am looking for a light display manager |
| 22:34.23 | qq- | for tty :) cool |
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| 22:34.34 | Bushmills | login manager enough? or needed for remote displays too? |
| 22:34.50 | tharkun | login manager only would be great |
| 22:34.58 | Bushmills | check out qingy |
| 22:35.16 | Bushmills | getty for console login + login manager for graphical logins at the same time |
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| 22:36.00 | Bushmills | works in both text mode and, with framebuffer, graphics mode |
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| 22:36.54 | tharkun | Bushmills: Thx, i'll try it as soon as it ends ups doing its updates |
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| 22:37.16 | blouf | hi did anyone here succeed getting cover with the nowplaying screenlet ? |
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| 22:38.53 | Bushmills | http://scarydevilmonastery.net/qingy/qingy1.jpg ... http://scarydevilmonastery.net/qingy/qingy6.jpg are some screen photos of qingy login on a netbook screen |
| 22:39.15 | Bushmills | eh, up to qingy5.jpg only |
| 22:39.35 | tharkun | Bushmills: thx i'll take a look at them as soon as i get some X running :-) |
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| 22:40.15 | blouf | the second one is unreachable ? |
| 22:41.45 | tharkun | how do i get rid of gdm, do i just purge it? |
| 22:42.00 | Bushmills | yes, should do |
| 22:42.04 | km | if have multi virtual addresses eth0:1:2, what would the loop address look on for each one of them (127.0.0.1 localhost, ...)? |
| 22:42.13 | tharkun | Bushmills: thx |
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| 22:42.54 | Bushmills | km, pardon? |
| 22:43.33 | darsie | Hi! I can print test pages with CUPS, but not images with gimp. |
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| 22:44.20 | km | let i have eth0 192.168.1.1, eth0:1 192.168.1.2 are their loop back addresses are 127.0.0.1 localhost? |
| 22:44.27 | jhutchins_lt | darsie: Gimp may require gimprint, or may need to be set up to use cups. |
| 22:44.47 | Bushmills | eth has nothing to do with lo |
| 22:45.01 | Bushmills | those are just different interfaces |
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| 22:45.25 | Elive_user76_en | hi |
| 22:45.38 | Bushmills | you'll have a lo interface with 127.0.0.1 regardless of how many, or if any at all, eth interfaces you have |
| 22:45.44 | Elive_user76_en | how can i find out, which wifi-card i'm using? |
| 22:45.58 | qq- | !elive |
| 22:45.58 | dpkg | Elive (Enlightenment live CD) is a desktop distribution <based on Debian>, featuring the <Enlightenment> window manager. It is not Debian and thus not supported in #debian. http://www.elivecd.org/ #elive on irc.freenode.net. |
| 22:46.01 | darsie | jhutchins: The print job appears on the cups webpage, but disappears after several minutes without being printed. IIRC there is some activity on the printer, but no printing. |
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| 22:46.47 | Elive_user76_en | :( |
| 22:47.08 | km | ok |
| 22:47.08 | Bushmills | the elive folks are surely happy to serve you |
| 22:47.25 | Elive_user76_en | there is nobody answering |
| 22:47.26 | Bushmills | maybe elive has even a tool for it |
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| 22:47.38 | Bushmills | (which would be unknown to debian) |
| 22:47.53 | Elive_user76_en | i just want to know the shell-command |
| 22:48.02 | Elive_user76_en | and elive is using debian |
| 22:48.06 | Elive_user76_en | i read |
| 22:48.11 | tharkun | does anyone know the 1024*~800 vga kernel parameter? |
| 22:48.13 | will | just ask to the right guys |
| 22:48.25 | will | here we support Debian only |
| 22:48.42 | will | based on Debian don't mean it's the same piece of software |
| 22:48.44 | Bushmills | elive is also using memory. |
| 22:48.45 | Elive_user76_en | i'm just using elive in the live-version |
| 22:48.56 | Bushmills | that doesn't mean that the folks on #memory would know |
| 22:49.21 | Elive_user76_en | can't you just tell me the comman? i forgott it. |
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| 22:49.44 | Elive_user76_en | i'm using debian on my other laptop |
| 22:49.51 | Bushmills | debootstrap ... that one? |
| 22:49.52 | Elive_user76_en | if this helps :P |
| 22:50.46 | Bushmills | i hope it does |
| 22:51.30 | Elive_user76_en | you are not very kind to peoples who need help |
| 22:51.33 | Elive_user76_en | :( |
| 22:51.39 | qq- | set +q Elive_user76_en |
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| 22:52.13 | will | why not just asking to the Elive guys? |
| 22:52.21 | will | for Elive support |
| 22:52.26 | Elive_user76_en | i do |
| 22:52.26 | Bushmills | Elive_user76_en: no wonder that folks on #elive don't reply to you |
| 22:52.31 | Elive_user76_en | *i did |
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| 22:52.38 | Elive_user76_en | they don't answer |
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| 22:52.41 | Elive_user76_en | :/ |
| 22:52.47 | Elive_user76_en | i first asked there |
| 22:52.58 | Bushmills | you may have to wait |
| 22:52.58 | will | just wait for the support then |
| 22:53.11 | will | or try mailing lists |
| 22:53.14 | themill | dpkg: tell Elive_user76_en about what's my wireless |
| 22:53.19 | will | forums |
| 22:53.20 | will | etc |
| 22:53.44 | themill | Elive_user76_en: for more information, ask in #elive. Work on asking concise, clever questions without hitting enter every 3 words. |
| 22:54.17 | will | http://forum.elivecd.org |
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| 22:54.55 | darsie | jhutchins: Hmm, lpr image.png worked. How can I install gimprint (sp?) or set gimp to use cups? |
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| 22:55.09 | will | http://www.elivecd.org/Help/FAQ |
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| 22:58.17 | Elive_user76_en | btw: is there something like wattos (a energy-saving-distro) based on debian instead of ubuntu? |
| 23:01.18 | will | Ubuntu is based on Debian dude O_O |
| 23:02.03 | Elive_user76_en | i know |
| 23:02.07 | lindi- | sounds crazy to have a new distro just for low consumption |
| 23:02.41 | Elive_user76_en | but ubuntu is so colorful and ... |
| 23:03.00 | will | lindi: not so crazy since newbies are linux installers |
| 23:03.18 | will | instead of trying to be an active user |
| 23:03.22 | Elive_user76_en | lindi-: i want to use it on a notebook, and use this notebook outside |
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| 23:04.05 | lindi- | will: ? |
| 23:04.43 | will | people still thinks because is full of colors, new design things works better |
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| 23:05.01 | will | it's* |
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| 23:05.32 | Elive_user76_en | will, oO? no. |
| 23:05.44 | Elive_user76_en | i'm usind stumpwm |
| 23:05.59 | Elive_user76_en | without any window-decoration |
| 23:06.01 | qq- | !ot |
| 23:06.01 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 23:06.05 | Elive_user76_en | and so on |
| 23:06.19 | will | dpkg: I agree |
| 23:06.19 | dpkg | will: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 23:06.28 | lindi- | Elive_user76_en: how does wattos differ from ubuntu? |
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| 23:06.57 | will | ##linux |
| 23:07.37 | Elive_user76_en | lindi-, don't know exactly, my brother used it and improved battery-life |
| 23:08.31 | lindi- | Elive_user76_en: i'm afraid you need to figure that out before you can start to wonder how to apply it to debian |
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| 23:12.13 | qq- | !tell Ceaerrepe about root |
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| 23:13.38 | Elive_user76_en | hmmm |
| 23:14.02 | Elive_user76_en | good night |
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| 23:32.56 | qq- | just found ;) http://www.debian.org/misc/children-distros |
| 23:33.28 | Bop | does anyone manually inserted memtest86+ into grub ? |
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| 23:33.43 | Bop | does anyone manually inserted memtest86+ into grub 2 ? |
| 23:33.49 | Bop | it wont work on me |
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| 23:40.10 | SlidingHorn | I compiled a barebones debian (netinst, no network mirrors, installed x, lxde, gdm, etc) now I want to install lxdm to replace gdm, but i need to compile it...i don't know what dependencies must be met to ./configure make make install |
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| 23:40.59 | abrotman | compiled ? |
| 23:41.02 | SlidingHorn | or to better word it, what tools does ./configure make make install actually use when compiling a package |
| 23:41.13 | abrotman | why woulud you compile? |
| 23:41.40 | SlidingHorn | it's on a virtualbox, I wanted to play around to try to make my own little distro-type thing with only what I wanted on it |
| 23:41.49 | abrotman | !tell SlidingHorn about apt-build |
| 23:42.03 | SlidingHorn | !apt-build |
| 23:42.03 | dpkg | i heard apt-build is an apt-get front-end for recompiling packages; http://julien.danjou.info/projects/ . Warning -- this program will not optimize your packages for you as advertised; the gcc O flags and friends that you specify are not even parsed properly. In a breath, don't bother with it, because apt-get source/build-dep is far more useful. |
| 23:42.10 | SlidingHorn | thanks abro! :) |
| 23:43.31 | SlidingHorn | so apt-get actually has it's own tool to do this (i.e. install/remove)? I was unaware -- i'll give it a try |
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| 23:44.04 | abrotman | huh? |
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| 23:44.16 | abrotman | apt-get install/remove installs binary packages |
| 23:44.24 | abrotman | and you sohuld be using aptitude if you want binary packages |
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| 23:48.29 | ska | I want to make a debian appliance on CF-boot X86. Should I consider Emdebian, or just a custom deb-bootstrap? |
| 23:49.23 | ska | Or is there something better? |
| 23:49.48 | abrotman | RAM? CPU? |
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| 23:50.33 | ska | abrotman: me? |
| 23:51.05 | abrotman | yes |
| 23:51.23 | ska | abrotman: Ram 1GB+, cpu, atom-Dual, via-dual, intel-quad |
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| 23:52.58 | ska | abrotman: I may run it from SSD also, but I'd still like to minimize disk writes. |
| 23:53.00 | abrotman | ska: if you have enough disk, you could probably use regular debian. Depends what you want the system to do .. Maybe you should ask #emdebian on irc.oftc.net why one might choose to use emdebian instead of Debian |
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| 23:53.16 | ska | abrotman: ok.. thanks. |
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| 23:53.35 | pyther | Hello |
| 23:53.52 | pyther | Does anyone know if there is a debian repository that would have a newer version of VLC? |
| 23:54.07 | mederEsite | did you try lenny backports |
| 23:54.13 | mederEsite | ? |
| 23:54.58 | abrotman | pyther: newer than what? |
| 23:55.00 | pyther | mederEsite, I just searched for vlc and nothing came up |
| 23:55.15 | pyther | abrotman, I would like vlc 1.*.* |
| 23:55.21 | pyther | IIRC debian lenny has 0.86 |
| 23:55.25 | abrotman | so newer than the version in lenny? |
| 23:55.34 | abrotman | it's 0.8.6 |
| 23:55.54 | mederEsite | sid has 1.0.6 |
| 23:56.18 | abrotman | dmm doesn't have vlc either .. so you'd have to backport it yourself .. I'll guess that's not an easy task |
| 23:56.31 | pyther | hmm, see I need this to go on a server |
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| 23:57.37 | pyther | How stable is sid? |
| 23:57.45 | pyther | and how often is sid updated? |
| 23:57.45 | mederEsite | are you gonna use it for a server |
| 23:57.47 | mederEsite | or just work pc |
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| 23:57.54 | mederEsite | err |
| 23:57.56 | mederEsite | home pc |
| 23:58.03 | mederEsite | i use sid and it's pretty damn stable |
| 23:58.08 | mederEsite | dont use it if its for a server |
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| 23:58.24 | abrotman | please do NOT recommend sid .. |
| 23:58.35 | abrotman | pyther: if you need something newer ... try squeeze |
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| 23:59.18 | mederEsite | abrotman: do you use squeeze |
| 23:59.18 | themill | pyther: emphasis on "need". And since you mentioned "server" a few lines back I'd definitely say stick with lenny. |
| 23:59.20 | Bop | does anyone manually inserted memtest86+ into grub 2 ? |
| 23:59.30 | abrotman | mederEsite: on some machines |
| 23:59.42 | mederEsite | abrotman: whats up with squeeze vs sid |
| 23:59.51 | abrotman | mederEsite: one is testing, one is unstable ? |
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