| 00:01.03 | beardy | Useful is relative. 128MB perhaps. |
| 00:01.16 | calamari | tharkun, I have no idea, but what are the memory requirements for damn small linux? not the same distro, but might give you a rough idea |
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| 00:04.22 | rohinoor | how can I use mouse with debian? i'm using a vmw virtual lenny |
| 00:04.29 | tharkun | beardy: Well what can i say i will have to check lots of stuff. before deciding on the minimum required. I hoped 128Mb would suffice, it seems that 256 is the minimun this bloddy .... needs. 128 for X and friends and the rest for itself. |
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| 00:05.23 | tharkun | calamari: i stripped X to have only the bare esentials and it seems it is not enough as i allready stated to beardy. Thx anyway. I might give a try to damn small linux tho |
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| 00:06.18 | craigevil | tharkun: 128 should be enough, using onboard Intel when i boot im only using 48mb of ram thats in lxde, E17 on the XO is about the same |
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| 00:06.45 | craigevil | if you want really small take a look at tinycore it only uses 10mb in X |
| 00:07.08 | pppoe_dude | Hello. Until when is Lenny supported? I know there probably is not a concrete date, but can someone give me an approximate answer? |
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| 00:07.33 | pppoe_dude | and what is the best way to install debian for someone who will not be able to upgrade or reinstall for a while? |
| 00:08.00 | craigevil | pppoe_dude: a yr after squeeze is released when ever that is |
| 00:08.10 | beardy | tharkun: When you say X, what do you mean? Of course you shouldn't run KDE or GNOME. Use wmaker, twm, or something else not wasting resources. |
| 00:08.14 | tharkun | craigevil: The difference with stripped down Debian and tinycore will not be much, like 15mb the problem is this memory hog that uses between 120 and 200 mb. thx anyway |
| 00:08.21 | pppoe_dude | craigevil: and after that i won't be able to use apt on lenny? |
| 00:08.37 | pppoe_dude | or the apt repos i mean |
| 00:08.37 | beardy | pppoe_dude: For a year atleast. |
| 00:08.55 | beardy | !oldstable |
| 00:08.56 | dpkg | i heard oldstable is the previous stable version of Debian, as long as it is still supported by the security team. Etch (4.0) was oldstable. Consider upgrading your systems to a supported release, ask me about <oldstable->stable>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOldStable |
| 00:08.56 | pppoe_dude | craigevil: do you have any vague idea when squeeze will be released? |
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| 00:09.07 | craigevil | !wir |
| 00:09.07 | dpkg | hmm... wir is When It's Ready. See also <rsn> and <siyh>. |
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| 00:09.53 | pppoe_dude | yes i knew that |
| 00:09.54 | pppoe_dude | :p |
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| 00:10.05 | beardy | rohinoor: In the console? |
| 00:10.09 | beardy | !gpm |
| 00:10.10 | dpkg | gpm (General Purpose Mouse) is a package for use of the mouse in a Linux (text-only) console. Install it, then use left button to select text, middle or right button to paste. In some applications (such as elinks), you have to hold down Shift in order to cut or paste, otherwise the application itself interprets the mouse clicks. http://www.nico.schottelius.org/software/gpm/ #gpm on irc.freenode.org. |
| 00:10.39 | tharkun | beardy: i use sawfish as wm and for experimentation sake i started x manualy just to see how far down i could go. Gnome is defenetly out of the question. network manager and a bunch of stuff like it went also away. For some time it felt like doing oldstyle embeded development :-) |
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| 00:11.20 | beardy | tharkun: Well. Just use something .. else. Sawfish is GNOME's window manager I thought, must be bloated. |
| 00:11.39 | beardy | Of course any crap like GUI network configurations go.. |
| 00:11.45 | tharkun | beardy: used to be. quite streamlined by itself |
| 00:12.09 | tharkun | beardy: you should see how much crap the gnome metapackage pulls |
| 00:12.12 | beardy | tharkun: And remove any display manager. |
| 00:12.22 | beardy | tharkun: I know. So don't use it. |
| 00:12.42 | tharkun | beardy: gdm or xdm just wait 4Mb each :-) |
| 00:14.35 | dhaivat | hello. I am running debian lenny with gnome on an old dell inspiron. Now, here's the problem. It won't let me use anything like a flash driver or CD-Rom. It comes up with an error like "Permission denied". Well. So, I tried manually mount'ing it, and it just got stuck and gave no output. What's going on? |
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| 00:15.07 | calamari | dhaivat, run dmesg in another terminal |
| 00:15.26 | eikenberry | sawfish is known for customizability, not necessarily for low resource usage. |
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| 00:16.28 | calamari | you don't necessarily need a wm |
| 00:16.32 | tharkun | eikenberry: thx i am looking into lxde and e17 at the moment |
| 00:16.58 | dhaivat | calamari: okay. I get a huge ouput |
| 00:17.07 | dhaivat | calamari: should I grep it for something? |
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| 00:17.25 | calamari | dhaivat, the most recent (and relevant) stuff is at the end |
| 00:17.35 | craigevil | e17 is lighter than lxde but not by much, at boot im using around 48mb in lxde, the kids XO with e17 is around 40mb |
| 00:17.52 | calamari | dhaivat, most likely it'll have something listed about your flash drive |
| 00:18.47 | dhaivat | calamari: wait, it has some errors. I'll pastebin it... |
| 00:19.44 | tharkun | craigevil: ps3 use e17 because of the lack of ram. Then i'll try it tomorrow. at the moment that system is safer if it is off. |
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| 00:20.08 | pppoe_dude | hello |
| 00:20.12 | pppoe_dude | i must have disconnected a while back. |
| 00:20.23 | tharkun | craigevil: Sorry for my syntax. I am about to fall asleep |
| 00:20.34 | dhaivat | calamari: here's something you might want to know. When this computer was running windows, it was overrun with viruses and spyware. |
| 00:21.03 | pppoe_dude | is upgrading from lenny to squeeze going to be as easy as changing the sources.list file and running a few commands? |
| 00:21.22 | gr0gg0 | Hi! |
| 00:21.33 | calamari | theoretically ;) |
| 00:21.37 | tharkun | pppoe_dude: take a look at the release notes |
| 00:21.46 | qq- | !tell pppoe_dude about lenny->squeeze |
| 00:21.49 | pppoe_dude | i'm just installing this for my mom, and i won't be able to upgrade |
| 00:21.51 | karsten | pppoe_dude: That's the general idea. Release note is a good read. |
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| 00:22.02 | gr0gg0 | I'm trying to get flash player 10 running on my xbox. What webbrowser should I use and how do I install it? |
| 00:22.04 | pppoe_dude | so i don't know if i should give her lenny or squeeze |
| 00:22.09 | tharkun | pppoe_dude: also beware on your disk partitions and the available space for /var |
| 00:22.26 | dhaivat | calamari: Here's a pastebin of my dmesg http://pastebin.org/336824 |
| 00:22.31 | calamari | gr0gg0, what cpu is in the xbox? |
| 00:22.33 | pppoe_dude | qq-: thanks |
| 00:22.36 | karsten | pppoe_dude: lenny should be supported for at least another year, likely longer. |
| 00:22.38 | gr0gg0 | 733 |
| 00:22.42 | gr0gg0 | celeron |
| 00:22.49 | karsten | pppoe_dude: squeeze isn't close to release yet AFAIR. |
| 00:22.53 | calamari | cool didn't realize it was intel |
| 00:23.00 | gr0gg0 | but only 64 mb ram :/ |
| 00:23.16 | tharkun | likes his CellBe on his ps3 |
| 00:23.20 | pppoe_dude | karsten: that would be good, but the thing is i don't live in the same city and we don't see each other that often, so i won't be able to upgrade |
| 00:23.22 | dhaivat | anyone for my question? I do provide a pastebin for dmesg. |
| 00:23.31 | dhaivat | should I post my question again? |
| 00:23.38 | karsten | pppoe_dude: You won't be visiting your mom within the next year? |
| 00:23.39 | pppoe_dude | karsten: im thinking it's better to go with lenny |
| 00:23.53 | pppoe_dude | karsten: possibly in a couple of months, and then maybe not for another year |
| 00:23.56 | karsten | pppoe_dude: I'd do lenny as well. You've got 12-18 months+ to live on it. |
| 00:24.09 | pppoe_dude | karsten: so you think it's better than ubuntu in that sense eh?? |
| 00:24.14 | tharkun | !pool 1 |
| 00:24.18 | karsten | pppoe_dude: If you've got SSH access to the box you can maintain it remotely. |
| 00:24.23 | pppoe_dude | or at least just as good |
| 00:24.28 | calamari | dhaivat, well hda has errors.. assuming that's your hard disk? |
| 00:24.36 | karsten | pppoe_dude: My 9.04 -> 10.04 Ubuntu upgrade was markedly less than flawless. |
| 00:24.40 | dhaivat | calamari: it is. |
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| 00:24.47 | dhaivat | calamari: what should I do? |
| 00:24.54 | pppoe_dude | debian will just be so much better |
| 00:24.55 | karsten | pppoe_dude: No X for about 3 weeks due to kernel incompatibilties. |
| 00:25.14 | tharkun | karsten: Since when that is a problem :-) |
| 00:25.15 | rohinoor | :q |
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| 00:25.30 | karsten | replaces tharkun's monitor with a braille display. |
| 00:25.35 | lilith | hi all |
| 00:25.48 | calamari | dhaivat, about a damaged hard drive? |
| 00:26.15 | pppoe_dude | ugh. my mom should get a new laptop. this one overheats if i don't cap the CPU at 1200mhz |
| 00:26.36 | tharkun | pppoe_dude: clean the heat disipator |
| 00:26.53 | tharkun | pppoe_dude: also check that the fan fresh air intake is not obstructed |
| 00:27.01 | pppoe_dude | tharkun: yes i should do that |
| 00:27.02 | lilith | does anyone remember how to change repositories using the native debian terminal utility? The one that alowed one to select from predetermined repos? |
| 00:27.16 | lilith | I don't recall the name to invoke it |
| 00:27.33 | tharkun | apt-spy? |
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| 00:30.32 | lilith | a lot of hash sums differ using the reposiotry Iḿ using. Looks like debian repository was compromised from what little I can tell |
| 00:30.36 | HermanDE_ | lilith, vi |
| 00:31.17 | lilith | yeah,I know about vi. Debian has itÅ own way of doing things and it has a utlity that takes care of this . I just don recall it |
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| 00:31.55 | HermanDE_ | lilith, Are you talking about the setup scripts? |
| 00:32.23 | lilith | I think so |
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| 00:33.57 | tharkun | What is recomended apt-cacher or apt-cacher-ng ? |
| 00:34.17 | HermanDE_ | lilith, I think that is a special script for debinstall... |
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| 00:38.51 | mib_mib | hi guys, i'm using apt-get but i get: libxml2-dev: Depends: libxml2 (= 2.6.32.dfsg-5ubuntu4) but 2.6.32.dfsg-5ubuntu4.2 is to be installed E: Broken packages, can someone help? |
| 00:40.47 | themill | mib_mib: you want #ubuntu for broken ubuntu packages |
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| 00:45.44 | dhaivat | calamari: well, why would a hard drive affect the cd rom and the flash drive? |
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| 01:01.05 | kingofnerds | hi |
| 01:01.24 | kingofnerds | am i the only one experiencing slow performance from ftp.debian.net? |
| 01:01.49 | Dewi | kingofnerds: use a mirror |
| 01:02.07 | kingofnerds | I have tried both ipv4 and ipv6 connectivity |
| 01:02.16 | kingofnerds | ok, i will start looking for a mirror |
| 01:02.22 | jm | just use ftp.us.debian.net |
| 01:02.33 | kingofnerds | is testing on all mirrors? |
| 01:02.39 | Dewi | kingofnerds: yup |
| 01:02.58 | kingofnerds | thanks |
| 01:03.11 | Dewi | jm: does that roundrobin or is it 1 host? |
| 01:04.08 | jm | roundrobin dns |
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| 01:04.35 | jm | it's actually ftp.us.debian.org .. I don't know why I said .net |
| 01:04.41 | jm | I guess because you did and I wasn't thinking |
| 01:05.06 | gr0gg0 | hi |
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| 01:06.10 | gr0gg0 | I'm runnin xebian on my xbox and are trying to install a browser with flash player 10. What should I use? Opera? |
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| 01:07.09 | khem_ | anyone know any good software to log a users input and output? |
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| 01:15.10 | jordanm | khem_: inotify maybe |
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| 01:22.13 | karsten | khem_: screen. ttysnoop |
| 01:22.39 | karsten | khem_: To what end? |
| 01:22.45 | khem_ | karsten: ttysnoop might do |
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| 01:28.29 | squig | is there a way to suppress deb-conf from running after an install? |
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| 01:31.06 | dondelelcaro | squig: no |
| 01:31.16 | dondelelcaro | squig: however, you can have it not prompt you if you want |
| 01:31.25 | dondelelcaro | !xy problem |
| 01:31.25 | dpkg | [xyproblem] People often falsely diagnose problems because they are looking too closely at a problem: they have got stuck at a particular point (Y) doing something (X) and so ask about step Y, not realising that there is an easier or better way to do X in the first place. See http://mywiki.wooledge.org/XyProblem or http://homepages.tesco.net/J.deBoynePollard/FGA/put-down-the-chocolate-covered-banana.html |
| 01:32.11 | squig | dondelelcaro, thats a rather arrogant response? |
| 01:33.07 | dondelelcaro | squig: it's almost certainly what is happening here; you're trying to do X, but asking about Y, when Y isn't what you really care about. |
| 01:33.26 | squig | indeed, I had moved on though |
| 01:33.50 | squig | i need the noninteractive frontend |
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| 01:34.11 | squig | im actually now wondering why deconf (7) isnt install on the system |
| 01:34.14 | dondelelcaro | yes... in general, explaining your actual problem gets you the answer you need first |
| 01:34.51 | dondelelcaro | squig: because you don't have debconf-doc installed, and it's not a requirement to run debconf |
| 01:35.42 | squig | thats a good answer |
| 01:35.48 | squig | thank you |
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| 01:36.16 | mbehlok | What smartphones can run Debian? |
| 01:36.26 | dondelelcaro | mbehlok: any that can run linux |
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| 01:37.19 | mbehlok | dondelelcaro, Can many phones run linux? |
| 01:37.50 | dondelelcaro | mbehlok: depends on the architecture; the palm pre, adp1, and the open moko phone are the major ones |
| 01:38.31 | lilith | I keep on being able to install a few packages like curl, oo and streamtuner because the hash differs --according to aptitude. What can I do? |
| 01:38.37 | mbehlok | dondelelcaro, Do these phones have wireless network card? |
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| 01:40.27 | Kazuha | One thing I've been wondering for a while.... |
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| 01:40.37 | Kazuha | How to kill a task that won't die to a -9 kill? |
| 01:41.43 | streuner | you can't |
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| 01:43.20 | dondelelcaro | mbehlok: some of them do |
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| 01:51.19 | not-me | reboot |
| 01:51.28 | Kazuha | No way to destroy the left over stuff? (I mean, without rebooting.) |
| 01:51.31 | not-me | not much choice |
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| 01:52.50 | Kazuha | Also... what would (likely) cause a bunch of programs from the same UI-base (eg, gtk+ or qt), to all act up? |
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| 01:53.27 | Kazuha | With certain ones freezing in the aforementioned un-9able fashion? |
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| 01:55.45 | abrotman | hates 9able |
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| 02:04.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | mbehlok, the ones running android and maemo, too |
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| 02:04.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | although the N900 is the only one I know of for maemo... |
| 02:05.02 | karlpinc | CutMeOwnThroat: Android, maybe not so much considering that the android kernel is not mainline so there may not be drivers in debian. |
| 02:05.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | mbehlok, also, while they can all run debian, it's not sure all hardware will be supported, often there are proprietary drivers for some parts |
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| 02:05.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | karlpinc, well, it'll _run_ |
| 02:05.48 | abrotman | they don't run 'Debian' ... they run debian-based |
| 02:05.54 | abrotman | they can be made to run Debian |
| 02:05.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, he asked if they can run debian |
| 02:06.02 | Operator23 | So, I have a system where I *used* to have lighttpd set up. |
| 02:06.13 | Operator23 | I'd like to switch to apache and install phpmyadmin |
| 02:06.16 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: but with full functionality ? |
| 02:06.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | and dondelelcaro said all that can run linux... |
| 02:06.26 | Operator23 | So, removed lighttpd, installed apache, installed phpmyadmin. |
| 02:06.44 | Operator23 | For some reason, while installing phpmyadmin, it runs lighttpd init scripts and config stuff |
| 02:06.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, I already said that possibly not - also, he didn't actually ask that ;) |
| 02:07.20 | abrotman | details details :) |
| 02:08.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | and actually I think all of them with the possible exception of that openmoko stuff uses at least one proprietary driver for something (but that's mainly a guess) |
| 02:09.56 | abrotman | well, that doesn't make it non-debian in itself .. that could be a driver built with m-a/dkms |
| 02:10.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, <mbehlok> What smartphones can run Debian? |
| 02:10.15 | Operator23 | Any idea why? |
| 02:10.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | see? no mention of full functionality at all :) |
| 02:11.05 | abrotman | google ? |
| 02:11.05 | karlpinc | What's the cheapest device out there with a usb port that will run debian? I'm interested in a password vault. (And want encrypted backup to a usb stick.) As far as I'm concerned the device should be offline all the time. I settled on an Asus eee after rejecting a Ben Nanonote as too difficult to back up. Any suggestions? |
| 02:11.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | Operator23, 1st question to ask, why are there lighthttpd scripts left after removal that can be run? |
| 02:11.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | karlpinc, a pentium 5 from the trash |
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| 02:12.48 | Operator23 | CutMeOwnThroat: It appears to detect that lighttpd is installed and run lighttpd-related stuff. |
| 02:13.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | how about you look _what_ exact script runs? |
| 02:13.47 | karlpinc | CutMeOwnThroat: Yah. But it should be small-ish. |
| 02:13.59 | Operator23 | OK, right now this is what it outputs at the end: |
| 02:14.06 | petekaz | What is the correct procedure to attach and unattach a USB mass storage device? |
| 02:14.07 | Operator23 | Lighttpd not installed, skipping |
| 02:14.10 | pickcoder | anyone familiar with NEC phone sys programming? |
| 02:14.25 | karlpinc | pickcoder: That sounds offtopic. |
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| 02:14.37 | Operator23 | invoke-rc.d: unknown init script, /etc/init.d/lighttpd |
| 02:14.43 | petekaz | When I attach it, I see it is assigned a scsi ID, and then I mount /dev/sdb1 appropriately. |
| 02:14.49 | Operator23 | And it says nothing about apache. |
| 02:14.58 | petekaz | I then umount it, and unplug device. |
| 02:15.02 | pickcoder | it is, but I'm probing around. There are no freenode chat rooms for PBXs. |
| 02:15.46 | karlpinc | petekaz: Use mount manually, or something like usbmount or the fancy voodoo built into gnome or kde. Your method sounds fine. |
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| 02:16.01 | petekaz | Is this generally the correct procedure? I ask because each time I reconnect it, I see the scsi id it gets assigned increments by 1. Wasn't sure if that was supposed to happen and wasn't sure how to see if the system thinks I still have those other scsi id's in use. |
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| 02:17.06 | karlpinc | petekaz: Sounds like a udev related problem. Either in udev or in the hardware. |
| 02:17.07 | pickcoder | petekaz: are you unmounting it? |
| 02:17.26 | petekaz | I 'umount' it, yes. |
| 02:17.27 | pickcoder | karlpinc: I see it all the time with hotplug SSDs over USB/eSATA |
| 02:17.34 | pickcoder | very annoying |
| 02:17.49 | pickcoder | you'll need to assign a static rule for the device's ID in the udev rules\ |
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| 02:18.51 | pickcoder | check the UUID versus the USB device ID when you hotplug it and see which one is constant |
| 02:19.06 | karlpinc | petekaz, pickcoder: If it's not already fixed the place to bring it up upstream is on linux-hotplug@vger.kernel.org. |
| 02:19.13 | petekaz | pickcoder: Hmm .. okay. I'll read up on that, thanks for pointer. What I've got is this device: http://www.newegg.com/product/product.aspx?item=n82e16817153066 and I want to swap the hard drives weekly (backup solution). Do you think I'll have a new device ID when I stick in another drive? Or is the device ID tied to this base unit? |
| 02:19.32 | pickcoder | petekaz: more than likely |
| 02:21.10 | karlpinc | petekaz: Isn't there a softlink made by udev somewhere that remains constant per given drive hardware? |
| 02:21.17 | pickcoder | karlpinc: I don't mess with hotplug often enough on critical servers to have a solid case to submit. I just noticed it the last time I tried to clean up some SSDs using an external dock. |
| 02:21.34 | pickcoder | eventually one of the SCSI device names will get reused |
| 02:21.52 | petekaz | I'm a newbie .. still trying to look at my logs to see if I can find this UUID and/or the USB device ID you refer to. |
| 02:22.06 | Cain | Hi, I just mount a folder on another with mount --bind /bar /foo how to umount it ? umount /bar gives : /bar : device is busy |
| 02:22.10 | pickcoder | I will put a sticky on it and submit a bug report when I get time |
| 02:22.50 | petekaz | pickcoder: great, that was my concern, that I would run out of scsi IDs. I don't care much otherwise. Everything is working great, got duplicity backing up to it, and I will just swap the drive weekly. |
| 02:23.16 | pickcoder | check the device IDs and see if the USB dev ID is contstant |
| 02:23.27 | pickcoder | if it is, you can force it to be a specific device name |
| 02:24.16 | pickcoder | IIRC you can also use the device's serial number? |
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| 02:24.22 | karlpinc | Cain: /bar is busy because it's mounted on /foo. If you want to unmount /bar do that first and then mount the underlying device on /foo. |
| 02:25.01 | karlpinc | pickcoder: I think vendor id + serial number. Could be wrong. |
| 02:25.32 | valan | i'm looking into running debian on sparc64, but all the info i can find seems to be old. i'm mostly interested to see if debian's sparc64 port is still using a 32 bit userland or if it now has a 64 bit userland |
| 02:25.45 | valan | anyone know about this? |
| 02:26.04 | abrotman | valan: #debian-sparc on irc.oftc.net IIRC |
| 02:26.12 | valan | ok thanks |
| 02:26.22 | Cain | karlpinc : If you want to unmount /bar do that first <== do what ? |
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| 02:27.11 | petekaz | pickcoder: here is a snippet of my logs. which is the usb device id vs the device id? |
| 02:27.13 | petekaz | http://pastebin.com/DbeijWnb |
| 02:27.33 | pickcoder | petekaz: well you already have a serial number and vendor there |
| 02:27.42 | pickcoder | that's even better |
| 02:27.44 | petekaz | You can see in the log that I attached and detached the device and different drives a few times in a row. |
| 02:28.23 | pickcoder | lsusb helps with info |
| 02:28.36 | petekaz | pickcoder: I notice the serial number is different depending which hard disk is in the housing. |
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| 02:30.36 | karlpinc | Cain: unmount /bar |
| 02:31.03 | petekaz | pickcoder: I can't remember now, what was I to do with this info? The udev rules will make the scsi ID the same each time I connect the drive? |
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| 02:32.00 | karlpinc | petekaz: Yes. |
| 02:32.14 | pickcoder | petekaz: yes |
| 02:32.15 | Cain | karlpinc : it doesn't work, maybe mount --move will work |
| 02:32.27 | karlpinc | Cain: It does not work because /foo is mounted. |
| 02:33.06 | Cain | karlpinc : how to unmount /foo since /foo & /bar are 2 existants directories on /home ? |
| 02:33.20 | karlpinc | Cain: -move sounds more like what you want to do. |
| 02:33.36 | petekaz | So with these rules, should I make sure that both of the disks (different serial numbers) map to the same scsi ID? So when I swap the drive, it keeps the ID the same? Given that you said the numbers will be reused, I'm unsure of the value this brings, but I assume its good practice? |
| 02:34.16 | karlpinc | Cain: If /bar is not already a mountpoint for a device then just what is it that you wish to unmount? You can't unmount a directory from a filesystem. |
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| 02:37.54 | Cain | karlpinc : what i wanted to do is to share virtualuser's folders for ftp, symlinks wont work, but rather thant "mount --bind /home/UserA /home/UserB/UserA" i did "mount --bind /home/UserA /home/UserB" so now /home/UserB shows contents of /home/UserA |
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| 02:38.33 | Cain | karlpinc : i just want to "undo" what i did if it's possible |
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| 02:39.02 | karlpinc | Cain: umount /home/userB does not work? |
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| 02:40.42 | Cain | karlpinc : nvm, mount --move worked, thx :) |
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| 02:41.10 | pickcoder | petekaz: rule example; SUBSYSTEMS=="usb", KERNEL=="sd?1", ATTRS{vendor}=="Generic", ATTRS{serial}=="1234567890", NAME="usbdrive1" |
| 02:41.36 | petekaz | pickcoder: great. thanks! |
| 02:41.40 | pickcoder | change serial attribute to match the drive and then give it a specific /dev/ name instead of usbdrive1 |
| 02:41.54 | pickcoder | that should go in the local static udev rules |
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| 02:42.21 | petekaz | okay. is it okay to have two rules that look exactyl the same with the exception of serial #? |
| 02:42.57 | petekaz | so I get the same /dev/name and scsi ID each time no matter which disk I put in that usb chassis? |
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| 02:43.05 | pickcoder | sure. as long as at least one of the attributes is unique |
| 02:43.11 | pickcoder | no |
| 02:43.25 | pickcoder | usbdrive1 will only show up for the disk with serial# 1234567890 |
| 02:43.31 | pickcoder | but you can change the rule to do that |
| 02:43.53 | petekaz | right, but if I put a second rule with a diff serial #, it can show up as usbdrive1 too. |
| 02:44.01 | petekaz | if I understand you correctly. |
| 02:44.02 | pickcoder | yes |
| 02:44.04 | petekaz | great. |
| 02:44.09 | pickcoder | just don't plug them in at the same time |
| 02:44.14 | pickcoder | a black hole will open |
| 02:44.21 | petekaz | :-) |
| 02:44.39 | petekaz | Forturately, the USB drive chassis only has one slot for a HD. |
| 02:44.51 | pickcoder | then you can use the vendor ID and model # |
| 02:45.08 | petekaz | btw, one more quick question, is there a similar command for looking at what the kernel has attached to scsi ids? |
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| 02:45.36 | petekaz | I googled and found /proc/scsi, but I don't have that in my /proc. |
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| 02:45.46 | pickcoder | udevinfo |
| 02:45.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | pickcoder, will it allow time travel? |
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| 02:46.30 | pickcoder | CutMeOwnThroat: sure, but it'll be a time loop |
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| 02:47.02 | petekaz | pickcoder: udevinfo? is that a package, command, or something in /proc? |
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| 02:47.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | pickcoder, so eternal life? |
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| 02:50.22 | pickcoder | petekaz: it's an app that comes with udev |
| 02:50.26 | petekaz | pickcoder: found it .. udevadm for me I guess. |
| 02:50.33 | pickcoder | CutMeOwnThroat: groundhog day style |
| 02:50.48 | petekaz | Thanks again for all the help! Very much apprecated! Always learning something new! |
| 02:50.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | pickcoder, that ended with a happy end! |
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| 02:51.41 | pickcoder | petekaz: you can use the udevinfo switches |
| 02:52.04 | pickcoder | udevinfo -a -p $(udevinfo -q path -n /dev/sda1) |
| 02:52.52 | petekaz | Thanks! |
| 02:53.10 | petekaz | Wife yelling at me to go to bed! Thanks again, will test rules tomorrow! |
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| 02:53.31 | pickcoder | no prob |
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| 02:53.58 | pickcoder | now.. if I can just find info on how to program analog CO lines in this phone system.. |
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| 02:55.00 | pickcoder | shiny web interface.. with like 60 programming sections |
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| 02:55.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, do udev-created devices get deleted? |
| 02:56.01 | pickcoder | not unless you purge them, AFAIK |
| 02:56.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | seems to, no sdg anymore |
| 02:56.42 | pickcoder | $.25 wrist straps about to close and got one bid.. |
| 02:56.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps there's a periodic purge? |
| 02:57.18 | pickcoder | erm.. is it USB? |
| 02:57.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm? |
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| 02:57.38 | pickcoder | the drive |
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| 02:57.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes |
| 02:58.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | I was just wondering what would happen, next to the creation of a black hole... |
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| 02:58.43 | pickcoder | it's not listed in /sys/block? |
| 02:59.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, only until f (of course, it's not connected for some days now, but it was connected since last reboot) |
| 02:59.48 | pickcoder | maybe it's a driver bug then, that I see |
| 02:59.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | yours sticks around forever? |
| 03:00.03 | pickcoder | some do |
| 03:00.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | let me try |
| 03:00.19 | pickcoder | got eSATA to test? |
| 03:00.24 | SnakDoc | is there anyway to get ntop to store data after restart or am i just missing a setting |
| 03:00.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | no.. was just going to try an usb stick |
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| 03:01.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | sigh |
| 03:01.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | having your usb stick on the keyring is also not a good solution |
| 03:01.33 | pickcoder | let me boot this box up |
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| 03:02.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | I didn't lose the key, but contact seems kind of erratic... |
| 03:02.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | ah, there it is |
| 03:03.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh |
| 03:03.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | pickcoder, immediately gone when I unplug the stick |
| 03:03.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | guess this triggers it: [4179082.357104] usb 1-6: USB disconnect, address 21 |
| 03:06.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | I wonder what sdd sde and sdf actually are |
| 03:07.45 | \amethyst | CutMeOwnThroat: what does /dev/disk/by-id/ say about them |
| 03:07.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh? could it be the usb webcam? |
| 03:08.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | (was looking at dmesg) |
| 03:08.14 | \amethyst | does the webcam have built-in storage? |
| 03:08.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | not really |
| 03:08.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:08.50 | \amethyst | my monitor has CF, SD, etc readers that always have devices, regardless of what is plugged into them |
| 03:08.53 | \amethyst | aha |
| 03:08.54 | pickcoder | mine just had I/O errors |
| 03:08.55 | \amethyst | same for you |
| 03:09.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | that sounds like the card reader I never use |
| 03:09.14 | pickcoder | unplugged it.. plugged it back in and it took up another sd device |
| 03:09.21 | pickcoder | sdc.. sdb still hasn't been released |
| 03:09.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's this sata disk? |
| 03:09.45 | pickcoder | so if there are I/O errors it may not get released until you reboot |
| 03:10.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | must be the cardreader - kind of makes sense - 4 slots, and 4 different devices |
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| 03:11.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | \amethyst, good idea that, thanks |
| 03:11.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | pickcoder, that kind of makes sense... it's waiting :) |
| 03:11.52 | pickcoder | but there was a usb disconnect notice |
| 03:12.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | that always sucked... there should be a way to release hung devices forcibly and without causing damage |
| 03:12.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | it probably can't be honored because the device code is still waiting (forever)? |
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| 03:13.00 | pickcoder | I/O timeout and release? |
| 03:13.17 | pickcoder | that's not a theory of design |
| 03:13.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | ? |
| 03:13.38 | pickcoder | it shouldn't wait *forever* |
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| 03:13.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | no |
| 03:14.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | but I remember already in about 2002 that on certain problems usb ports would stay in use forever... or until reboot (and actually became unusuable) |
| 03:16.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | ("this has always been a problem") |
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| 03:17.52 | rvalles | know issues with sid and grub? |
| 03:17.57 | rvalles | *known |
| 03:18.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | you know where to look for them... |
| 03:18.39 | rvalles | all of a sudden grub2 goes "invalid pointer" and just fails... can still boot debian thanks to my netboot setup |
| 03:18.53 | rvalles | I see there's some grub updates today, but they didn't fix anything. |
| 03:19.45 | karlpinc | It's the kernel that creates and destroys devices. Udev just creates and destroy's symlinks, runs programs, etc. |
| 03:20.38 | pickcoder | bed time |
| 03:21.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | !btssmite rvalles |
| 03:21.14 | dpkg | beats rvalles around the head repeatedly with http://bugs.debian.org/ and apt-listbugs, along with a chainsaw if rvalles is running testing or unstable |
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| 03:23.58 | qq- | needs some debug commands for a router, it don't forward internal eth1 to internet (eth0) , any ideas ? |
| 03:24.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | rvalles, filed 7 hours ago |
| 03:24.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | if I do the timezone-tango correctly |
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| 03:25.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | 586143 |
| 03:26.28 | rvalles | CutMeOwnThroat: yeah, that's the one |
| 03:26.52 | Birdy3942 | Can someone please explain the difference between debian-live-504-i386-xfce-desktop.iso debian-live-504-i386-standard.iso ?? I want to know why the file size is so small compared to the other desktop disks. |
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| 03:27.11 | k\t | lovewho? |
| 03:27.48 | qq- | Birdy3942, standard has no X |
| 03:28.14 | Birdy3942 | As in No gui? |
| 03:28.38 | \amethyst | that is correct |
| 03:28.52 | HermanDE_ | Birdy3942, Who needs X when you have multiple terminals at your fingertips.... |
| 03:29.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | guess you can check all kinds of details at http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/#search |
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| 03:29.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | HermanDE_, people who want to draw stuff? :) |
| 03:29.35 | Birdy3942 | Alright, now I get it, I'll throw on an XFCE gui. Since I tried gnome/kde before. |
| 03:29.39 | \amethyst | CutMeOwnThroat: they can use metapost |
| 03:29.48 | HermanDE_ | CutMeOwnThroat, You mean that you missed ASCIIart and the AA/BB libraries? |
| 03:30.09 | Birdy3942 | (on other distros). Thanks for your response. (Darn, more download time -cries-) |
| 03:30.25 | \amethyst | CutMeOwnThroat: or just write their PostScript directly :) |
| 03:30.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | \amethyst, but I don't speak postscript :( |
| 03:31.02 | \amethyst | neither do I, but then I don't want to draw stuff :) |
| 03:31.03 | qq- | Birdy3942, use netinst , and install later your desktop .. |
| 03:31.04 | HermanDE_ | CutMeOwnThroat, Have you seen BB? |
| 03:31.19 | Birdy3942 | But I'm on wireless. :'( |
| 03:31.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | \amethyst, what, like... never? |
| 03:31.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | HermanDE_, no, only know aalib |
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| 03:32.07 | \amethyst | CutMeOwnThroat: I never want to, but sometimes I do have to... then I do usually use a GUI |
| 03:32.19 | \amethyst | CutMeOwnThroat: xfig in particular, despite its age |
| 03:32.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | so you actually agree to my answer! |
| 03:32.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | posed as a question |
| 03:32.51 | HermanDE_ | CutMeOwnThroat, apt-get install bb.... Launch it.... Be impressed....... |
| 03:32.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | bb impressed? |
| 03:33.00 | HermanDE_ | exit |
| 03:33.01 | \amethyst | but they don't *need* a GUI |
| 03:33.07 | qq- | Birdy3942, what you running right now on that machine ? |
| 03:33.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | HermanDE_, hm, I actually got that installed already |
| 03:33.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | HermanDE_, oh yes, that's just like a demonstration for aalib, kind of? |
| 03:33.54 | qq- | Birdy3942, maybe we may find the driver/firmware that needs |
| 03:33.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah, ran that |
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| 03:34.33 | Birdy3942 | Just a wireless connection. An i386 kind. (512mb ram, 2.40ghz, pentium4, dell. LOL). |
| 03:34.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | HermanDE_, I probably watched that 5 years ago :) Memory like a ... thing... with holes in |
| 03:34.40 | p3rror | hello |
| 03:34.40 | p3rror | where can i found jar binary |
| 03:35.23 | HermanDE_ | CutMeOwnThroat, It is the default tool I use to bring people back to the console..... |
| 03:35.47 | \amethyst | p3rror: one of the jdk packages, or fastjar |
| 03:36.05 | HermanDE_ | p3rror, A jar is a java compressed application or binary.... It is more like a zipped file.... |
| 03:36.15 | qq- | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:36.32 | HermanDE_ | p3rror, It is usally in the JRE or JDK.... |
| 03:36.47 | Birdy3942 | OH, Linuxmint. |
| 03:36.55 | Birdy3942 | Oops, my bad. |
| 03:37.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | HermanDE_, "inkscape -vo aalib" |
| 03:37.41 | qq- | Birdy3942, do , lspci -nn | grep Wi |
| 03:38.02 | HermanDE_ | CutMeOwnThroat, mplayer -vo aa |
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| 03:38.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah, I know that... |
| 03:38.31 | qq- | Birdy3942, put all output here and special some xxxx:yyyy .. |
| 03:38.37 | p3rror | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:38.44 | HermanDE_ | CutMeOwnThroat, How about running X on aalib..... |
| 03:38.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | doesn't sound very tempting |
| 03:38.59 | HermanDE_ | CutMeOwnThroat, on a console..... |
| 03:39.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | more like eye cancer |
| 03:39.32 | HermanDE_ | It works well on a console that is 1000 columns by 800 rows.... |
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| 03:39.49 | MeglaW | hoho |
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| 03:40.09 | HermanDE_ | And you stand back about 20 feet |
| 03:40.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell p3rror -about apt-file |
| 03:40.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | p3rror, e.g. in sun-java5-jdk (in non-free - also /msg dpkg non-free ) |
| 03:40.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | HermanDE_, lest it explode... |
| 03:41.38 | Birdy3942 | I got no output when I used the command. So I decided to run the: lspci -nn command without grep Wi and got: http://pastebin.org/336955 |
| 03:41.45 | pppoe_dude | ok i have a bit of a strange issue |
| 03:41.50 | HermanDE_ | CutMeOwnThroat, Yes, it was a can do time.... Not a must do.... LCD Panel that was 10 feet wide/5 feet high..... |
| 03:42.02 | pppoe_dude | i need to cap my CPU so that it does not overheat during installation and cause the laptop to shut down... |
| 03:42.10 | HermanDE_ | CutMeOwnThroat, With Debian attached.... What was I (A command line guy) to do..... |
| 03:42.27 | pppoe_dude | I usually have a startup script that echos something to scaling_max_freq, but it seems that during the debian install, cpufreqd does not start |
| 03:42.29 | pppoe_dude | any ideas? |
| 03:42.31 | qq- | !BCM4212 |
| 03:42.33 | k\t | ahh, java... very hard to distinguish the culprit between gcj and jre when it comes to certain SDK's such as palm, android etc... |
| 03:43.04 | HermanDE_ | pppoe_dude, What is the cpu/platform? |
| 03:43.23 | pppoe_dude | it's an intel pentium M |
| 03:43.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | pppoe_dude, probably needs some kernel module that isn't on the installation cd? |
| 03:43.36 | pppoe_dude | 1.6ghz, i usually cap it at 1ghz so that it doesn't overheat |
| 03:43.53 | HermanDE_ | pppoe_dude, Do you know the generation of the CPU? |
| 03:43.56 | pppoe_dude | CutMeOwnThroat: well in debian-live, it loads properly |
| 03:44.16 | HermanDE_ | pppoe_dude, ... Silly question time... has the vents been cleaned? |
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| 03:44.21 | pppoe_dude | HermanDE_: which part of /proc/cpuinfo do you need? i have it infront of me |
| 03:44.25 | qq- | Birdy3942, you have a .0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Intel Corporation 82562EZ , and a modem , right ? |
| 03:44.36 | pppoe_dude | HermanDE_: yes i cleaned everything I think i might need to replace the fan because it is overworking |
| 03:44.40 | pppoe_dude | but not doing anything |
| 03:44.48 | qq- | Birdy3942, don;t see any wifi there . |
| 03:44.48 | HermanDE_ | pppoe_dude, cpu family/generation... |
| 03:45.00 | pppoe_dude | family is 6 |
| 03:45.06 | pppoe_dude | model 13 |
| 03:45.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | pppoe_dude, different kernel version compared to what you ran before? |
| 03:45.32 | pppoe_dude | like i said, in debian live cpufreqd loaded fine. i think it just doesn't load propery in the installation |
| 03:46.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | pppoe_dude, it's probably not _present_ on the installcd |
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| 03:46.13 | pppoe_dude | CutMeOwnThroat: well, i'm not sure... with debian-live lenny it loads fine, and i can adjust scaling_max_freq, but in the installation (if i go to a tty) that whole directory is missing all the files |
| 03:46.20 | pppoe_dude | CutMeOwnThroat: yes that's likely. |
| 03:46.45 | Birdy3942 | qq-: The wifi is actually my USB device. My Eternet... I dont have internet.. Wireless is the only way I can get online. |
| 03:46.48 | pppoe_dude | so what can I do to scale the cpu or to at least not make it run as hot during the installation? it shut off at the last bit during the last install due to overheating |
| 03:47.30 | pppoe_dude | i guess i can put the laptop near the window |
| 03:47.37 | pppoe_dude | not sure if that is logistically possible atm |
| 03:47.48 | qq- | Birdy3942, then connect your USB device , and re do the command |
| 03:47.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | pppoe_dude, so just donload the module and load it... probably need to put it in the appropriate place and run depmod -a (dunno if modprobe/insmod support insmod ./somemodule.ko, didn't need to do that either in a long time or... ever) |
| 03:48.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | mind to get a module for the same kernel version |
| 03:48.29 | pppoe_dude | hm |
| 03:48.35 | qq- | , pciid 14e4:4212 |
| 03:48.36 | judd | [14e4:4212] is 'BCM4212 v.90 56k modem' from 'Broadcom Corporation' with no known kernel module in lenny or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=14e4:4212 |
| 03:48.50 | qq- | Birdy3942, ^^ |
| 03:48.52 | Birdy3942 | qq-: It's too late, I pretty much already started the debian download. It's going to be alright once I finish downloading, and I can finally try this out. |
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| 03:49.11 | pppoe_dude | CutMeOwnThroat: i'll try and copy the one on the debian-live cd |
| 03:49.12 | HermanDE_ | pppoe_dude, That is a Dothan from about 2004..... |
| 03:49.17 | Birdy3942 | Thanks anyway. |
| 03:49.20 | pppoe_dude | not sure if that is possible |
| 03:49.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | pppoe_dude, has to be the same kernel version |
| 03:49.40 | qq- | Birdy3942, np |
| 03:49.42 | pppoe_dude | HermanDE_: yep the laptop is fairly old |
| 03:49.50 | pppoe_dude | not sure exactly how old |
| 03:50.00 | HermanDE_ | You might want to ensure all of the fans are working..... And the vents are clean..... |
| 03:50.13 | HermanDE_ | Old laptops gather stuff..... |
| 03:50.20 | pppoe_dude | well i opened it today |
| 03:50.25 | pppoe_dude | everything seems clean |
| 03:50.32 | pppoe_dude | and the fan is working |
| 03:50.41 | pppoe_dude | laptop runs fine when scaling is enabled |
| 03:50.41 | HermanDE_ | pppoe_dude, I'd also suggest running a memtest86 for a few hours.... |
| 03:50.47 | MeglaW | lmsensors will tell you of its cooling or not. |
| 03:51.02 | HermanDE_ | pppoe_dude, Could be a memory or controller issue..... |
| 03:51.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | not for my laptop... lm-sensors doesn't detect the sensor for all newer kernels |
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| 03:51.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think it used to on etch, possibly on the default lenny kernel (but then something else didn't work) |
| 03:51.39 | HermanDE_ | CutMeOwnThroat, This is an older system... LMSensors *may* work fine.... |
| 03:52.14 | HermanDE_ | LMSensors used to be a PITA to get working well... Now it's cake if the system is supported.... |
| 03:52.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | HermanDE_, mine is also ... dunno 5 years old - and it seems support for the chipset was just dropped at some point |
| 03:52.37 | pppoe_dude | argh |
| 03:52.41 | pppoe_dude | this is slightly frustrating |
| 03:52.52 | pppoe_dude | i'm tempted to try for another install and just make sure the laptop is near the window |
| 03:52.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | pppoe_dude, that's what installation is all about! |
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| 03:53.09 | MeglaW | HermanDE_: hehe, i never had any sensors at that time. :) |
| 03:53.18 | MeglaW | or i never got it working hehe |
| 03:53.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | what's the problem with getting the kernel module and loading it? |
| 03:53.28 | pppoe_dude | CutMeOwnThroat: you mean the frustration? |
| 03:53.33 | pppoe_dude | CutMeOwnThroat: i'm not sure where to get it from |
| 03:53.40 | HermanDE_ | pppoe_dude, You have a choice.... Spend time to test the hardware..... Or try to find a workaround to make the hardware work. |
| 03:53.51 | pppoe_dude | i found the package on the debian site, |
| 03:53.59 | qq- | needs some debug commands for a router, it don't forward internal eth1 to internet (eth0) , any ideas ? |
| 03:54.09 | pppoe_dude | but i will need to extract it on my mac somehow (because the installer doesn't let me run dpkg) |
| 03:54.21 | HermanDE_ | qq-, Turn on forwarding.... |
| 03:54.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually would be neat if there was just a tar image of a base-install... |
| 03:54.34 | HermanDE_ | qq-, Load wireshark on the router..... |
| 03:54.41 | HermanDE_ | qq-, Check your firewall rules.... |
| 03:55.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | I don't know why it isn't done that way... all configuration could be done after the base-system is installed |
| 03:55.32 | HermanDE_ | CutMeOwnThroat, I was thinking about that today.... In most systems.... It could be a simple dd copy from a CD to the hard drive for the base install..... |
| 03:55.44 | HermanDE_ | CutMeOwnThroat, or tar or zip ..... |
| 03:55.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes |
| 03:56.04 | qq- | HermanDE, yes , but some commands may help me better .. |
| 03:56.05 | pppoe_dude | if i choose expert install would it let me load additional modules? |
| 03:56.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | then boot into it from an external kernel e.g. on CD, and get grub grubbing |
| 03:56.19 | HermanDE_ | CutMeOwnThroat, The only problem I see is that the blob needs to be remastered every couple of weeks... Security you know.... |
| 03:56.47 | HermanDE_ | CutMeOwnThroat, The beauty of git, mercurial, svn, etc..... |
| 03:56.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | HermanDE_, actually, no... you wouldn't be supposed to leave the system in that state for any length of time |
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| 03:57.38 | HermanDE_ | CutMeOwnThroat, Uh.... The people here have seen and touched Linux.... In the world there would be people who would fire it up and then bitch about things being broken..... |
| 03:57.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | HermanDE_, perhaps I should just make and offer one - it's not like it's very hard to do... just do a base install with english settings |
| 03:58.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | HermanDE_, well, it doesn't need to be the _recommended_ type of install (although, with some tuning, it could become that) |
| 03:58.46 | HermanDE_ | CutMeOwnThroat, Simple how to.... Copy this to a blank partition.... Grub/Lilo..... Set locales.... passwords would be hard coded.... |
| 03:59.03 | qq- | HermanDE, actually all is in place on router , except it don't forward betweens interfaces , or so |
| 03:59.24 | HermanDE_ | qq-, Are you using a firewall management tool? |
| 03:59.36 | qq- | no |
| 03:59.37 | HermanDE_ | qq-, Or going cold? |
| 03:59.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | HermanDE_, no use... either passwordless or :*: and you have to set passwords from your "installation cd" where you have root |
| 04:00.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | still need to partition ... |
| 04:00.09 | pppoe_dude | CutMeOwnThroat: where do i download kernel modules from? |
| 04:00.23 | HermanDE_ | CutMeOwnThroat, That brings back some really cool memories about null root passwords... :) |
| 04:00.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | pppoe_dude, what kernel does the installer have? |
| 04:00.30 | pppoe_dude | 2.6.26-2-486 |
| 04:00.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions 2.6.26-2-486 |
| 04:00.46 | judd | Sorry, no package named '2.6.26-2-486' was found. |
| 04:00.48 | HermanDE_ | pppoe_dude, That is a 686 cpu..... |
| 04:00.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | ops |
| 04:01.32 | HermanDE_ | pppoe_dude, Might be missing out on some of the CPU features..... |
| 04:01.40 | qq- | HermanDE, i use a basic script , that i custom_zed |
| 04:01.42 | pppoe_dude | this is just the installer |
| 04:01.56 | pppoe_dude | i dunno. i am pretty sure they just have a simplified version of everything for the installer |
| 04:02.27 | HermanDE_ | pppoe_dude, Another suggestion is to pop the hard drive.... Do a basic install on another machine.... Reinstall..... |
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| 04:03.14 | pppoe_dude | HermanDE_: hmm |
| 04:04.00 | pppoe_dude | i will see what happens, i'm going for a reinstall with just tilting the laptop for better ventilation |
| 04:04.02 | pppoe_dude | might work |
| 04:04.09 | pppoe_dude | so far the max temp is 75 |
| 04:04.29 | pppoe_dude | if i can keep it below 90.... just for 30min lol |
| 04:04.48 | ornia | So my fstab is not being read at boot or something... my home partition does not mount, nor do my other 4 HDDs. If I switch to a virtual TTY and run "mount -a" as root they all mount perfectly though |
| 04:04.53 | HermanDE_ | qq-, Many moons ago, I lived by customized ipchains.... |
| 04:05.07 | ornia | So the fstab is great, the drives are fine, but Debian's boot process is ignoring this crucial step? |
| 04:05.19 | HermanDE_ | qq-, 2.4 came with IPTABLES.... I did a brain flush... And have been working with Shorewall since..... |
| 04:05.20 | qq- | HermanDE, cool, thanks anuways |
| 04:05.41 | qq- | anyways* |
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| 04:05.53 | HermanDE_ | qq-, You need to setup your kernel to route between the nics.... |
| 04:06.02 | qq- | no |
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| 04:06.13 | HermanDE_ | qq-, I seem to remember that you can set ipforwarding between the two through /proc/net |
| 04:06.27 | HermanDE_ | qq-, What am I missing? |
| 04:07.04 | qq- | it worked with standard lyny kernel for months , till a week .. |
| 04:07.27 | qq- | s/lyny/ lenny |
| 04:07.35 | HermanDE_ | qq-, Now the obvious question.... What changed? |
| 04:07.50 | qq- | machine fried .. |
| 04:08.10 | HermanDE_ | qq-, That'll do it..... What is the status of the NICs? |
| 04:08.31 | qq- | i builds other pc , same config , and no go ,,, |
| 04:09.07 | qq- | http://yourpaste.net/5671 , 72 , 77, 78 |
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| 04:11.35 | Bop | does anyone uses jdownloader under Squeeze ? |
| 04:11.37 | HermanDE_ | qq-, Your POSTROUTING Chain has any NIC..... Shouldn't that be ETH1? |
| 04:11.42 | Bop | does not work here :s |
| 04:12.20 | qq- | HermanDE, checking |
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| 04:13.35 | HermanDE_ | qq-, In your iptables-save.... Where is your input for the NAT? |
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| 04:14.22 | qq- | HermanDE, checking too , |
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| 04:15.23 | qq- | A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE (eth0 is external ) |
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| 04:17.52 | HermanDE_ | qq-, My brain dump was way too effective.... |
| 04:18.19 | qq- | HermanDE, thanks, i'll do my check later (too late here 6.00am ) |
| 04:19.28 | Bop | any good download manager for linux , besides jdownloader ? |
| 04:19.54 | HermanDE_ | Bop, wget |
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| 04:20.10 | Bop | HermanDE_, yeah , wget can really download rapidshare and related sites -.-' |
| 04:20.20 | qq- | HermanDE, here is original script i used , http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/23 , where to all ' iptables-save.... Where is your input for the NAT?' ? |
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| 04:20.41 | qq- | s/ where to all / where to add* |
| 04:21.00 | DanDare | Hello. How to invoke printer spool from win7 command line ? |
| 04:21.33 | Bop | DanDare, windows related question ? |
| 04:21.42 | HermanDE_ | qq-, It looks like the script sets the input of the PostRouting to "ANY"...... Shouldn't make a difference.... |
| 04:21.53 | HermanDE_ | Bop, Sure can.... Read up on the options..... |
| 04:21.59 | DanDare | duh sorry, wrong channel. I hate this client sometimes |
| 04:22.17 | Bop | HermanDE_, that's why i want a download manager , ok ? |
| 04:22.31 | qq- | HermanDE, cool , thanks |
| 04:22.31 | HermanDE_ | Bop, if that doesn't fit your style then w3m has many more options..... |
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| 04:24.18 | Bop | HermanDE_, .|. |
| 04:24.24 | HermanDE_ | qq-, I hate to suggest it, but starting from scratch and rebuilding my be a solution.... |
| 04:24.32 | HermanDE_ | qq-, Go back to what works and readjust.... |
| 04:25.03 | HermanDE_ | qq-, This is with the assumption that it is setting ip_forward properly..... |
| 04:25.04 | qq- | HermanDE, hehe, nothing worked from scratch till now .. |
| 04:25.37 | qq- | at least ip_forward is ok |
| 04:25.51 | HermanDE_ | qq-, Hit wireshark and watch the packet flow.... Watch for the stops.... |
| 04:26.15 | qq- | HermanDE, i will , thanks |
| 04:26.33 | HermanDE_ | qq-, See if they are rejected, denied or just held open.... |
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| 04:27.06 | qq- | good point , thanks |
| 04:27.20 | qq- | (never used wireshark ) |
| 04:27.33 | HermanDE_ | Bop, try aria2c |
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| 04:28.40 | HermanDE_ | qq-, it is a magical tool that will solve many hours of trouble shooting.... And you will learn how packets work..... |
| 04:28.57 | HermanDE_ | qq-, The text mode of the tool is tshark ..... |
| 04:29.10 | acu | any recomandation for the fastest - yet cheapest collocation for a tower server? |
| 04:29.21 | acu | in US |
| 04:29.30 | qq- | HermanDE, thanks again |
| 04:29.33 | HermanDE_ | You can do a remote capture for a few minutes... scp the captured blob... Then evaluate with the full Wireshark.... |
| 04:30.44 | HermanDE_ | acu, What type of bandwidth are you expecting? |
| 04:30.44 | qq- | cool , now i have some works to do . |
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| 04:32.37 | acu | HermanDE: ubber ales ? :) I will have 12 virtual webservers - but I have no ideea how much bandwith would require - which is bad - but I would prefer something which can be upgraded |
| 04:33.17 | acu | HermanDE: do you know any good place in Europe too ? |
| 04:34.07 | acu | Is any tool in debian which can monitor the trafic so I know how much I need ? |
| 04:34.58 | HermanDE_ | If you draw a line from the middle of California to Virginia... Most high bandwidth centers are below this line..... |
| 04:35.29 | HermanDE_ | acu, And the cost increases with the qualify of the service..... |
| 04:35.50 | HermanDE_ | acu, What type of quality do you need? |
| 04:35.53 | acu | whao - that's very plastik explanation - |
| 04:36.02 | HermanDE_ | acu, Yep.. Lots of tools..... |
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| 04:36.43 | HermanDE_ | acu, I'd suggest picking a large city, and shop there.... Not exactly helpful..... |
| 04:37.06 | HermanDE_ | acu, Most of the phone companies offer really nice colocation services.... |
| 04:37.48 | acu | HermanDE: so nothing in Minneapolis/Saint Paul - it is above the line :) |
| 04:37.52 | HermanDE_ | acu, The really big hosting is located in Austin, TX, Los Vegas, NV, San Francisco, CA, Memphis, TN.... |
| 04:38.16 | HermanDE_ | acu, I know there is some nice hosting there..... But the majority is south of the line..... |
| 04:38.45 | HermanDE_ | acu, Everybody hosts now..... And the quality is all over the board..... |
| 04:38.46 | acu | so there is some firberoptic backbone across US |
| 04:39.28 | HermanDE_ | acu, It is possible to pay really big money to an facility to discover that they don't have a generator.... Or are peered with a single pipe..... |
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| 04:40.11 | acu | then I can keep it with my cable with 4 Mbits UP 40 down |
| 04:40.17 | HermanDE_ | acu, Ask about fire prevention.... Peering agreements, Service guarantees, generators.... And yes,,,, Testing of the Generators..... |
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| 04:40.48 | HermanDE_ | acu, Another idea is to contact your internet provider and ask about a seperate hosting service..... |
| 04:41.05 | HermanDE_ | acu, They may offer a plan that would offer a better connection into your house for hosting... |
| 04:41.23 | HermanDE_ | acu, Or have a facility for business class customers only..... |
| 04:41.51 | acu | I preety new to this - though I hosted websites and stuff - I never used colocation - but I may need to learn their subtelties |
| 04:41.55 | HermanDE_ | The 4/40 would be socked quite easily..... |
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| 04:42.21 | HermanDE_ | acu, A better idea is to go with ServerBeach.... Or EC2..... |
| 04:42.56 | HermanDE_ | Server Beach has servers at $75.00 per month with a 2TB/month bandwidth usage..... |
| 04:43.10 | acu | I am going to have the system ready next few days and can have some beta testing for a month to see how it goes - and how much I really need |
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| 04:43.22 | acu | 75 is very reasonable |
| 04:43.29 | HermanDE_ | acu, That would be a 10MiB connection working at 80% for 30 days..... |
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| 04:44.19 | HermanDE_ | acu, That is the beauty for some of these leased boxes.... The leases are usually by the month.... So, if you want to quit.... Stop paying.... |
| 04:44.42 | HermanDE_ | acu, I'm a big fan of ServerBeach, but there are many others that offer the same stuff..... |
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| 04:45.47 | HermanDE_ | acu, I currently have a client on a full 100MiB connection... Running about 10,000 emails every 8 hours.... And the pipe is not choking or blocking.... |
| 04:46.00 | HermanDE_ | acu, .... At serverbeach... |
| 04:46.38 | manizzle | could someone guide me to a site where i can learn about chroot()'ing various processes |
| 04:46.42 | HermanDE_ | acu, Most of these places run Debian.... |
| 04:46.50 | acu | I am browsing now - I want to know how much is a static IP or a bunch of them - I am planing to have a qemu-kvm virtual host - with virtual machines for each webserver - of course I could manage nicely many websites with one IP with virtual host on apache - but since I want to have virtual machines - it seem that I have to get a static IP for each of them |
| 04:47.07 | HermanDE_ | acu, So, it's just a situation of moving the configs over... |
| 04:48.18 | HermanDE_ | acu, Or you could use reverse proxys..... |
| 04:48.30 | HermanDE_ | acu, Setup a virtual net in the vm's.... |
| 04:48.50 | HermanDE_ | acu, Have the webservers on a 10.0 network |
| 04:49.10 | HermanDE_ | acu, And responding to a requested URL redirect.... |
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| 04:49.54 | HermanDE_ | acu, Plop the whole thing behind a single IP... :) |
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| 04:51.51 | manizzle | could someone guide me to a site where i can learn about chroot()'ing various processes |
| 04:52.39 | acu | reverse proxy seem to cumbersome - I want something which allows me a quick transfer to another system with minimum headache and configurattion - for the virtua net I got it - but what/s the benefit? If I have website01.com in one server and website02.com in another etc - the virtual network does not solve the apache requirment for specific IP |
| 04:53.25 | HermanDE_ | acu, Why are you doing a full vm? |
| 04:53.54 | HermanDE_ | acu, Why not do a simple Vserver..... |
| 04:54.19 | HermanDE_ | acu, Segmentation of the process, harddrive.... Effectivly a very strong chroot..... |
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| 04:54.48 | HermanDE_ | acu, With the beauty of everything running a single kernel.... |
| 04:55.15 | HermanDE_ | acu, The whole vserver is portable..... And accessable without mounting an image..... |
| 04:55.34 | HermanDE_ | acu, It is just another area..... |
| 04:56.23 | HermanDE_ | acu, You can run any distribution in the vServer.... It just needs to be compatable with the loaded kernel..... |
| 04:56.58 | HermanDE_ | acu, Then do a bit of piping.... Either static, dynamic or nat'd..... |
| 04:57.33 | HermanDE_ | Each VM is completly isolated from the other.... And network access can be equally restrictive..... |
| 04:57.50 | acu | I did not spent to many neurons on Vserver - I found the virtual machine absolutely magic - I have different websites with content management server with apache, postgresql php postfix etc - so for each customer I want to have it clean cut easy to hand it to them whenever they want it - and the virtual machine is just mind blowing - however I did not spend a neuron on the Vserver - too much on my plate - and I need to deliver the stuff asap |
| 04:57.54 | HermanDE_ | Each VM can have it's own authentication and services and yet seem to be different.... |
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| 04:59.00 | HermanDE_ | Hmm.... Sounds like you need templating...... :) It's as easy as cp vm vm2 |
| 04:59.16 | unkmar | I am trying to use xscreensaver but it keeps activating even when I am actively moving the mouse and typing. |
| 04:59.33 | HermanDE_ | acu, Sorry... My soap box got really high..... |
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| 04:59.53 | HermanDE_ | acu, I've been doing the VM/vServer/proxy thing for awhile.... |
| 05:00.11 | acu | HermanDE: yes this is what I am doing now - so it would be a breeze to do it with qemu-kvm - you are saying tha Vserver is better ? |
| 05:00.27 | acu | HermanDE: I like the bubbles :) they are colorful |
| 05:00.29 | HermanDE_ | acu, In some cases.... Much faster...... |
| 05:01.15 | HermanDE_ | acu, No need to have a kernel run in a kernel.... |
| 05:01.35 | HermanDE_ | acu, Again, my soap box is getting really big..... And I'm expecting someone to kick me off of it.... |
| 05:02.15 | unkmar | someone should put a chain on his soapbox and pull it out from under him. |
| 05:02.17 | HermanDE_ | unkmar, Which GUI are you using? |
| 05:02.22 | unkmar | LXDE |
| 05:02.26 | HermanDE_ | unkmar, It happens.... |
| 05:02.48 | acu | I found qemu-kvm relatively humanely manageble - I just figured out to create a bridge on the host machine and use the virt-manager - and it seem OK (though I have had tough time trying to shrink an .img - I know it is easier to enlarge it - so I actually started from scratch creating a smaller img to begin with |
| 05:03.50 | HermanDE_ | acu, Yep... That's the way to do it. Then expand as the client either complains or pays more...... |
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| 05:04.16 | HermanDE_ | unkmar, I wish I had more time under LXDE..... Just never floated to the surface..... |
| 05:04.49 | HermanDE_ | acu, just keep away from LVM under the VM..... |
| 05:04.54 | unkmar | that's ok, I have other issues as well. fighting with blueproxmity. |
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| 05:05.00 | HermanDE_ | acu, It will kill any performance...... |
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| 05:05.29 | acu | HermanDE: indeed the qemu-kvm VM seem quite demanding on hardware - that is why for a colocation I need a space where I can put my own server - at least with a 6 core AMD and some run - most collocations have choices with lowere specs |
| 05:06.28 | HermanDE_ | acu, blueproximity.... How cool...... |
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| 05:07.17 | acu | HermanDE: I have a silly question - it seem that I need the GUI to do things - but once is started - I want to let the server runing without GNOME or KDE running - how can I do that ? |
| 05:07.48 | HermanDE_ | acu, Remote X... With a touch of VNC.... |
| 05:07.58 | HermanDE_ | acu, |
| 05:08.06 | HermanDE_ | acu, Access the VNC using ssh..... |
| 05:08.14 | unkmar | acu: and you probably don't need the GUI. you just don't now how to work without it yet. |
| 05:08.28 | acu | that I got it: VNC but my point is how I switch off GNOME or KDE and let the server running |
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| 05:08.56 | HermanDE_ | unkmar, There are many apps that are binary only and require X..... wrap that one around your head..... |
| 05:09.26 | HermanDE_ | acu, Just don't load GNOME or KDE..... |
| 05:09.52 | HermanDE_ | acu, Run the apps from the command line.... Let the GUI for the application fire up..... |
| 05:10.02 | acu | is just that kde is a memory hog (did I write it right) is just insane how much resources it takes |
| 05:10.31 | HermanDE_ | acu, Yep.... That is why most servers don't have KDE or GNOME installed.... Just the required appliations.... |
| 05:10.56 | HermanDE_ | acu, And the admin simply runs a remote X session.... and fires the application up on his desktop at home...... |
| 05:11.03 | HermanDE_ | acu, Nothing silly there.... |
| 05:11.28 | acu | if I want virt-manager I guessed cannot be launched from prompt is I have no gnome or kde |
| 05:11.29 | HermanDE_ | acu, Gnome is also a memory hog..... |
| 05:11.42 | HermanDE_ | acu, Sure it can..... |
| 05:11.47 | unkmar | HermanDE_: and there are almost always non-X alternatives for server like programs. |
| 05:11.50 | HermanDE_ | acu, This Linux..... Not Windows..... |
| 05:12.35 | HermanDE_ | unkmar, Should I waste my time on a list.... Or shall we agree that there are some companies that don't want command line access to their applications..... |
| 05:13.20 | HermanDE_ | acu, Have you tried remote X? |
| 05:13.25 | unkmar | HermanDE_: I will agree with you and repeat my word ALMOST. |
| 05:13.36 | HermanDE_ | acu, I think you will find that you may not need any GUI on the server..... |
| 05:13.49 | acu | HermanDE so let,s recap - I have to login as single user - whatever so I have only prompt - if I am locally in the server I can run anything with gnome ? |
| 05:14.15 | HermanDE_ | unkmar, I just wish all companies made CLI mandetory.... |
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| 05:14.43 | HermanDE_ | acu, Use remote X with ssh...... |
| 05:15.18 | acu | no - can I try remoteX on my local machine (I know is an oxymoron - to use a sofisticated word I almost dont understand) but remoteX will be better - so I ssh into the machine then what ? |
| 05:15.23 | HermanDE_ | acu, ssh -X remoteserver |
| 05:15.37 | HermanDE_ | Then in the shell type in the command of the GUI tool you want..... |
| 05:15.57 | acu | that's sound simple |
| 05:16.01 | HermanDE_ | acu, It will appear on your display.... And the backend will be on the server...... |
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| 05:16.17 | HermanDE_ | acu, So as you adjust things.... You are actually changing things on the server..... |
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| 05:16.37 | HermanDE_ | acu, Incredibly powerful.... And predates any microsoft toys by decades..... |
| 05:16.40 | acu | so is like VNC into a KDE or GNOME - without the weight |
| 05:17.01 | HermanDE_ | acu, Think of it like VNC for just one application.... No matter the windows that are opened........ |
| 05:17.16 | HermanDE_ | acu, And when the application closes, there is nothing kept open..... |
| 05:17.22 | acu | that is kick=butt thanks a bunch :) |
| 05:17.32 | Birdy3942 | Is there by anychance a "live xfce 504" turrent download? (cd). |
| 05:17.38 | unkmar | acu: look at ssh with compression turned on. |
| 05:17.40 | HermanDE_ | acu, Microsoft recently updated their rdesktop recently to offer the same functionality....... |
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| 05:18.04 | HermanDE_ | acu, So after 20 years, microsoft has finally caught up with X11R5 |
| 05:18.19 | acu | can I try this while I am local ? (I know this would sound like a masturbation - which is a mortal sin according to many religions :) but |
| 05:18.36 | HermanDE_ | acu, Note that it is not X11R6 or X11R7 |
| 05:19.22 | HermanDE_ | acu, Create a VM in your desktop.... Install the basic x components.... |
| 05:19.30 | HermanDE_ | acu, setup an SSH..... |
| 05:19.38 | HermanDE_ | acu, install xterm on the vm..... |
| 05:19.48 | HermanDE_ | acu, ssh -X vmsystemipaddress |
| 05:19.51 | HermanDE_ | run xterm |
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| 05:20.03 | acu | Microsoft is for rich people who like slavery :) Copyleft ACU (feel free to copy it as long as you mention the source :) |
| 05:20.41 | acu | I am neither |
| 05:20.44 | acu | LOL |
| 05:21.17 | HermanDE_ | acu, Just like the gazelle only runs fast if it is chased... And the cheeta can only get faster by catching its food..... |
| 05:21.23 | HermanDE_ | acu, Thank god for Microsoft..... |
| 05:21.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | X is a horribly inefficient protocol over a slow connection... you really shouldn't compare it to vnc |
| 05:21.31 | acu | LOL |
| 05:21.50 | acu | Is sounds like Thank god is friday :) |
| 05:22.28 | manizzle | could someone guide me to a site where i can learn about chroot()'ing various processes |
| 05:22.39 | HermanDE_ | CutMeOwnThroat, The choice is installing a full GNOME or KDE on a server.... or Remote X..... |
| 05:22.44 | HermanDE_ | CutMeOwnThroat, Pick one.... |
| 05:23.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | HermanDE_, I take door 2 - now you have to open one door with a goat and offer me to switch... |
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| 05:24.25 | HermanDE_ | CutMeOwnThroat, I'm a big fan of VNC for whole desktop reflection.... But a proper server should not double as a desktop.... |
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| 05:25.05 | acu | Before we go to sleep - the dilema with one static IP many webservers - each in its own VM in qemu-kvm is solved how ? (reverse proxy seem to much for my baby brain and little time I have) |
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| 05:26.05 | HermanDE_ | acu, Reverse proxy, Rewrite (p) with Apache.... There are a couple of methods..... |
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| 05:26.23 | HermanDE_ | acu, IPV6 could solve the whole problem.... But, who runs IPV6 at home...... |
| 05:26.52 | unkmar | any ideas why xscreensaver kicks in every few seconds? |
| 05:26.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | virtual servers sounds a lot easier than that, though |
| 05:27.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | because you configured it such! |
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| 05:27.20 | HermanDE_ | acu, whoever you have hosting will probably offer you a /24 or /28 |
| 05:27.33 | HermanDE_ | acu or even a /26 |
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| 05:28.12 | acu | HermanDE what is /26 ? I know I am blushing out of ignorance but I know you would not tell anyone about it :) |
| 05:28.15 | HermanDE_ | unkmar, Check the .xscreensaver file |
| 05:28.34 | HermanDE_ | acu, Do you remember binary? |
| 05:28.41 | unkmar | ok, shall I paste it. well, the important parts of it? |
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| 05:29.37 | HermanDE_ | Think of /24 as 24 ones on the left and 8 ones on the right.... 256 addresses.... |
| 05:29.49 | acu | got it |
| 05:29.49 | Birdy3942 | IS there any difference between xfce and xfce labeled with "lxde"? |
| 05:30.08 | unkmar | timeout: 0:10:00 |
| 05:30.09 | unkmar | cycle: 0:10:00 |
| 05:30.18 | unkmar | As you can see. It is set in minutes there. |
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| 05:31.13 | HermanDE_ | acu, /26 is 64 addresses... |
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| 05:32.03 | HermanDE_ | acu, ip addresses are divided up by powers of two..... It's hard to get 6 or 14... |
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| 05:32.39 | acu | HermanDE: great thanks for your help - i am reading now ServerBeach to see they seemingly great offer - and yes - I have to see how much they charge for IPs and for letting me puting my own box there - because I can built a 6 core AMD with a lot of RAM for less than $1000 |
| 05:33.06 | HermanDE_ | acu, They don't take colocation..... Just leased hosting.... |
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| 05:33.22 | acu | Oh - I see |
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| 05:33.24 | HermanDE_ | acu, Unless things have changed... :) |
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| 05:33.42 | craigevil | Birdy3942: xfce and lxde are two entirely different desktop environments |
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| 05:33.57 | HermanDE_ | acu, I'm getting tired.... That would be a good choice.... If the colocation is available..... |
| 05:34.09 | acu | thanks again HermanDE for all your help Good Night |
| 05:34.15 | acu | :) |
| 05:35.41 | HermanDE_ | unkmar, http://www.jwz.org/xscreensaver/faq.html#mouse-idle |
| 05:35.53 | HermanDE_ | unkmar, Did you ask Dr Google? |
| 05:36.09 | HermanDE_ | unkmar, before asking here? |
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| 05:36.51 | unkmar | HermanDE_: yes, in many ways. but was unsure what search terms to use. |
| 05:37.03 | HermanDE_ | CutMeOwnThroat, Did you catch what acu want's to do? |
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| 05:39.00 | unkmar | and that does NOT appear to be MY problem. I am actively typing and it was still starting up. |
| 05:39.27 | HermanDE_ | unkmar, Did you run the test? |
| 05:40.40 | unkmar | HermanDE_: no, I did not. I have run a different test that proves my problem is very different. |
| 05:41.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | no... didn't pay attention, though :) |
| 05:41.22 | HermanDE_ | unkmar, What is the problem? |
| 05:41.40 | unkmar | apparently it is a xscreensaver-demo bug. |
| 05:41.51 | HermanDE_ | CutMeOwnThroat, He wants to run upto 20 VM's in a tower....qemu VM's..... |
| 05:41.55 | unkmar | I have xscreensaver running now without a problem. |
| 05:42.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | did you check the bts? |
| 05:42.10 | HermanDE_ | unkmar, Cool..... |
| 05:42.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | "bts?" |
| 05:43.32 | HermanDE_ | CutMeOwnThroat, I hope he doesn't discover the joy of running over 3 vm's on a single box..... |
| 05:43.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps he'll run a vm inside a vm |
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| 05:44.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | reminds me of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welt_am_Draht |
| 05:44.32 | HermanDE_ | CutMeOwnThroat, I'm sure he'll try..... |
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| 05:47.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | if you simulate the simulation of a simulation... |
| 05:47.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | do you get back to reality? |
| 05:47.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | at some level? |
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| 05:47.52 | unkmar | CutMeOwnThroat: no. each simulation is its own reality. |
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| 05:49.03 | AReal | hi |
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| 05:50.50 | AReal | hello |
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| 05:55.37 | HermanDE_ | Holo.... |
| 05:56.05 | AReal | how's it go? |
| 05:56.50 | HermanDE_ | Plucking the feathers in a linux world.... |
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| 05:57.35 | AReal | cool.. I am very new to linux. I am looking to familiarize myself with it more |
| 05:58.03 | HermanDE_ | Are you running Debian? |
| 05:58.24 | AReal | I dual booted between debian and fedora, right now I am on fedora |
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| 05:59.46 | AReal | any hints you can give me to better myself with linux? |
| 05:59.58 | HermanDE_ | Pick one of the two.... |
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| 06:00.03 | HermanDE_ | Learn it.... |
| 06:00.15 | HermanDE_ | Then move to another...... |
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| 06:00.22 | AReal | which do you think would be better for a beginner? |
| 06:00.36 | HermanDE_ | Soon, you will figure it out..... |
| 06:00.43 | unkmar | AReal: get pretty good and one distro before moving to another. |
| 06:00.49 | jelly-home | steals HermanDE_'s dots |
| 06:01.03 | HermanDE_ | AReal, If you want to learn.... Debian is at the top of the list |
| 06:01.19 | dima202 | Somehow my ran usage is off the charts yet all I am running is appache and ftp server |
| 06:01.27 | dima202 | Mem: 2015040k total, 2000012k used, 15028k free, 12264k buffers |
| 06:01.44 | dima202 | No windows manager or anything of the sort |
| 06:01.48 | AReal | why is it at the top? |
| 06:01.59 | jelly-home | !tell dima202 about free ram |
| 06:02.11 | HermanDE_ | AReal, Debian is very close to a pure definition of Open Source Operating System. |
| 06:02.34 | dima202 | This is normal behaviour then |
| 06:02.47 | HermanDE_ | AReal, The release cycle is very slow with a stringent push on security.... |
| 06:03.12 | AReal | HermanDE, that sounds good then |
| 06:03.40 | HermanDE_ | AReal, It is easy to move from Debian to Fedora or Centos or Suse.... |
| 06:03.43 | dima202 | I just want to make sure it's not a memory leak.. is there anywya to monitor it or just watch top if anything starts using a lot of ram? What if it's a daemon? |
| 06:04.00 | HermanDE_ | AReal, Slack and gentoo are completely different animals..... |
| 06:04.12 | AReal | HermanDE, where does arch fit into all of this? |
| 06:04.45 | HermanDE_ | dima202, check out SELinux... Set limits on each application.... Run each big application in a vServer with process limits.... |
| 06:05.15 | HermanDE_ | AReal, I have yet to run arch.... |
| 06:05.36 | dima202 | HermanDE_: alright, i'll check it out.. didn't know it was possible |
| 06:05.41 | dima202 | thank you |
| 06:05.53 | AReal | HermanDE, A lot of my friends always talk about it.. I tried it once, and managed to spend a couple of hours just trying to install it |
| 06:06.15 | HermanDE_ | AReal, Again... Pick one and learn it.... |
| 06:06.43 | AReal | HermanDE, yeah, I will start with debian |
| 06:06.47 | dima202 | gentoo was a pain for me |
| 06:06.57 | dima202 | slackware was much easier |
| 06:07.30 | AReal | are both of those comand line only? |
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| 06:08.05 | HermanDE_ | AReal, All versions of *nux are command line only..... |
| 06:08.17 | HermanDE_ | AReal, The graphics are an afterthought..... |
| 06:08.18 | jelly-home | dima202: atop is nice and has logging. You'll get the feeling of what's "normal" memory usage with time |
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| 06:08.25 | HermanDE_ | AReal, And can be shut down..... |
| 06:09.08 | jelly-home | HermanDE_: MacOS X is a Unix you know. |
| 06:09.22 | AReal | HermanDE, oh I see |
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| 06:10.06 | dima202 | I still don't understand how gentoo setup works... Slackware was much simpler, just compile and it works as intended |
| 06:10.23 | dima202 | jelly-home: thanks I'll check out atop as well |
| 06:10.32 | jelly-home | it's probably better to ask a gentoo channel about that |
| 06:10.51 | dima202 | But my real love is for debian ;) |
| 06:10.56 | HermanDE_ | jelly-home, And it is command line as well... It runs a GUI... Take a look at darwin.... |
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| 06:11.53 | dima202 | jelly-home: great atop is very detailed |
| 06:12.27 | dima202 | cache 1.6G |
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| 06:14.53 | jelly-home | HermanDE_: Darwin's dead, because MacOS X isn't just "unix with a gui" and the GUI APIs are an essential part of the OS. |
| 06:15.07 | jelly-home | well partly because of that. |
| 06:15.13 | bivo | no seeds for debian 504 ppc dvd? |
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| 06:16.03 | HermanDE_ | jelly-home, Just as framebuffers are part of the Linux kernel..... |
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| 06:16.24 | jelly-home | HermanDE_: do you know what "essential" means? |
| 06:16.58 | HermanDE_ | jelly-home, When was the last time you heard of an OpenSource OS dying? |
| 06:18.25 | HermanDE_ | jelly-home, Guess Darwin 9.0 is an imaginary OS..... |
| 06:19.03 | HermanDE_ | jelly-home, That is dead. Better tell the intertubes...... |
| 06:19.15 | HermanDE_ | jelly-home, They don't know yet... |
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| 06:21.22 | ClassicR | hi |
| 06:21.29 | AReal | are there linux forums that you guys favor? |
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| 06:21.32 | AReal | hi ClassicR |
| 06:21.33 | ClassicR | (everybody speak hungarian?) |
| 06:21.44 | AReal | no :( |
| 06:22.03 | ClassicR | ok :) |
| 06:22.06 | ClassicR | my probleme is: |
| 06:22.12 | FallenHi1okiri | darwin's dead? so no iOS4? sad. |
| 06:22.23 | ClassicR | i cant setup my debian (5.04) screen resolution |
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| 06:22.56 | FallenHi1okiri | I'd send apple a notice that they don't release new system updates,... I think they didn't get the news |
| 06:23.11 | ClassicR | i think, i haven't got driver for my video card |
| 06:23.11 | HermanDE_ | FallenHi1okiri, jelly-home said so..... |
| 06:23.25 | ClassicR | my videocard is: GMA X4500 |
| 06:23.26 | FallenHi1okiri | HermanDE_: seems like he knows his stuff |
| 06:23.42 | ClassicR | i intalled the intel grapic card |
| 06:23.44 | jelly-home | HermanDE_: and the context was opensource oses, which you conveniently omit now |
| 06:23.46 | ClassicR | but i think not working |
| 06:23.51 | HermanDE_ | FallenHi1okiri, Guess Darwin 10.3 is a mystery..... |
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| 06:24.25 | HermanDE_ | jelly-home, Do you want the URL to Darwin 10.0 source with licence? |
| 06:24.26 | FallenHi1okiri | HermanDE_: it's just a dream of rainbow puking unicorns |
| 06:24.39 | ClassicR | who can helpe me? :( |
| 06:24.55 | HermanDE_ | ClassicR, What's it *not* doing? |
| 06:25.00 | craigevil | !tell ClassicR about intel-gfx |
| 06:25.27 | ClassicR | i cant configure my screen resolution |
| 06:25.37 | ClassicR | or this is not a video card driver probleme? |
| 06:25.39 | jelly-home | HermanDE_: sorry, I don't do offtopic when there're actual questions in the channel |
| 06:26.09 | FallenHi1okiri | that's the way to get out of it,... *scnr* |
| 06:26.31 | jelly-home | FallenHi1okiri: feel free to join #debian-offtopic if you wish to discuss this further |
| 06:26.56 | FallenHi1okiri | jelly-home: sorry, I don't discuss false statements |
| 06:27.23 | jelly-home | ClassicR: how/where exactly are you trying to configure it? |
| 06:27.50 | ClassicR | System --> Setup --> Screen Resolution |
| 06:28.08 | jelly-home | alright, so Gnome interface to xrandr. |
| 06:28.23 | ClassicR | yes, gnome |
| 06:28.39 | jelly-home | ClassicR: pastebin the output of "xrandr" command, please |
| 06:28.47 | ClassicR | ok, moment |
| 06:30.40 | jelly-home | FallenHi1okiri: and I don't usually converse with people unable to parse the context of a statement, but I'm willing to make an exception |
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| 06:31.01 | ClassicR | http//pastebin.ubuntu.com/450929 |
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| 06:31.15 | ClassicR | http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/450929 |
| 06:31.36 | ClassicR | maximum 1024 x 768? My notebook native resolution is 1366x768 |
| 06:32.04 | jelly-home | ClassicR: hm, no resolutions at all were detected. lspci -nn|grep VGA ? |
| 06:32.14 | ClassicR | moment |
| 06:32.25 | jelly-home | you can paste one line here |
| 06:32.31 | ClassicR | yeha? |
| 06:32.36 | ClassicR | no flood? |
| 06:32.41 | jelly-home | the bot will kick you at 4 lines |
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| 06:34.03 | ClassicR | so: |
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| 06:34.56 | ClassicR | 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:2a42] (rev 09) |
| 06:35.13 | jelly-home | ,pciid 8086:2a42 |
| 06:35.15 | judd | [8086:2a42] is 'Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller' from 'Intel Corporation' with no known kernel module in lenny but has kernel module 'i915' in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:2a42 |
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| 06:35.25 | happosade | Hello |
| 06:35.40 | ClassicR | hello |
| 06:35.45 | jelly-home | ,xorg 8086:2a42 |
| 06:35.46 | judd | Device 8086:2a42 is not matched by any xorg drivers in lenny or sid. |
| 06:35.49 | jelly-home | that |
| 06:35.51 | jelly-home | s weird |
| 06:36.14 | happosade | mdadm says that disk that I am trying to use are currenty busy. I don't see them mounted anywhere (Disk sdb. sdc and sdd) |
| 06:36.14 | ClassicR | yes... |
| 06:37.08 | jelly-home | there's something wrong with that bot command, ignore it |
| 06:37.26 | ClassicR | me? |
| 06:38.45 | jelly-home | ClassicR: yes. anyhow, the version of xorg and video-intel in lenny looks a bit old for your chip. No easy way to upgrade only xorg, but it's likely the version from testing would do better at detecting valid modes for your output device |
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| 06:39.05 | jelly-home | ClassicR: care to pastebin /var/log/Xorg.0.log just to verify? |
| 06:39.16 | ClassicR | yes, mom |
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| 06:40.38 | ClassicR | http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/450932/ |
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| 06:42.13 | jelly-home | yeah, intel driver doesn't recognize your card so vesa is used instead |
| 06:42.31 | ClassicR | :( what is the solution? |
| 06:42.42 | jelly-home | ClassicR: just to make sure, is xserver-xorg-video-intel package installed? |
| 06:42.46 | craigevil | jelly-home: the kernel in backports is the same one as testing and sid atm, 2.6.32-5 so it should work |
| 06:42.58 | ClassicR | yes, i'm installed |
| 06:43.28 | ClassicR | so i need upgrade kernel? |
| 06:43.47 | jelly-home | craigevil: that's an ugly idea, but at least with KMS and intelfb he's going to get the native resolution |
| 06:45.12 | jelly-home | ClassicR: nah, you'd get native resolution if everything works well, but still completely unaccelerated |
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| 06:46.02 | jelly-home | ClassicR: if you have time and can deal with some breakage, you can try upgrading the OS to squeeze (debian testing) |
| 06:46.23 | jelly-home | no easy solution |
| 06:46.29 | ClassicR | no problemes with the alpha version? |
| 06:46.41 | jelly-home | always lots of problems |
| 06:46.56 | ClassicR | and the other solution is?.... |
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| 06:47.32 | ClassicR | the other way? |
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| 06:48.05 | jelly-home | install newer kernel from "/msg dpkg bpo", set up boot parameters to get kernel to change to native resolution (video=i915 i915.modeset=1), then use fbdev driver for xorg and hope it all works |
| 06:48.11 | OldMonk | trying to compile acx100 (wifi driver) on 2.6.32-3.686-bigmem and getting: WARNING: modpost: Found 3 section mismatch(es) |
| 06:48.32 | anodesni | Hi, I have an ati hd 4330 with open source drivers, but I get tearing. I've switched from ubuntu and there it wasn't the case. Is this due to compiz, or should I change some settings? |
| 06:48.37 | OldMonk | after that insmod fails with invalid module format. any idea how to fix this? |
| 06:49.16 | ClassicR | so first step is: paste this to the terminal: |
| 06:49.22 | ClassicR | "/msg dpkg bpo" |
| 06:49.24 | ClassicR | ? |
| 06:49.48 | jelly-home | ClassicR: it's an irc command, do it in your irc client |
| 06:50.01 | ClassicR | oh |
| 06:50.03 | ClassicR | "/msg dpkg bpo" |
| 06:50.15 | jelly-home | except without the quotes |
| 06:50.33 | ClassicR | yeah sry |
| 06:50.35 | ClassicR | and now? |
| 06:50.36 | jelly-home | dpkg the bot should respond in a private message |
| 06:50.36 | dpkg | jelly-home: no idea |
| 06:50.42 | jelly-home | dpkg: shutup |
| 06:50.42 | dpkg | No! You can STFU yourself! The voice of truth cannot be silenced! Oh, except perhaps in China... |
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| 06:50.50 | ClassicR | :-) |
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| 06:51.08 | jelly-home | ClassicR: did you get the private message? |
| 06:51.13 | ClassicR | yes |
| 06:51.26 | ClassicR | backports, etc |
| 06:52.11 | jelly-home | after setting up lenny-backports, you'll get access to newer version kernel packages from there |
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| 06:53.29 | ClassicR | this is too complecated for me :( |
| 06:53.33 | ClassicR | how get backports? |
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| 06:53.55 | ClassicR | apt-get -t lenny-backports install âpackageâ? |
| 06:55.19 | jelly-home | yes |
| 06:55.24 | jelly-home | ,kernels |
| 06:55.25 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.34-1-686 (2.6.34-1~experimental.2); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-15); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-15); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-15~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-22lenny1); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
| 06:55.37 | ClassicR | what is "package"? |
| 06:56.02 | ClassicR | apt-get -t lenny-backports install âetchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3)â |
| 06:56.04 | ClassicR | or how? |
| 06:56.10 | jelly-home | ClassicR: a package name for something you want to install. In this case it'll be a newer kernel package. |
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| 06:56.31 | jelly-home | ClassicR: use "apt-cache search linux-image" to search for available kernels |
| 06:56.48 | ClassicR | ok, mom |
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| 06:57.44 | ClassicR | http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/450935/ |
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| 06:58.36 | jelly-home | ClassicR: you haven't configured and enabled the backports properly |
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| 06:59.00 | ClassicR | how configure? |
| 06:59.26 | jelly-home | dpkg pointed you to their instructions web page |
| 06:59.26 | dpkg | i haven't a clue, jelly-home |
| 06:59.46 | jelly-home | ClassicR: if you feel this is too complex, perhaps you should use something like ubuntu for the time being, or learn more basics |
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| 07:00.03 | ClassicR | ubuntu unstable for me :( |
| 07:00.23 | ClassicR | this website need? http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions |
| 07:00.36 | jelly-home | yes. |
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| 07:01.18 | jelly-home | I'll be off now, hopefully someone else will step in |
| 07:01.33 | ClassicR | can you write me a steps?... |
| 07:02.59 | jelly-home | nope, no hand-holding |
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| 07:04.08 | trox | hey |
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| 07:04.31 | trox | i needed dillo but couldnt find it for lenny |
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| 07:04.57 | craigevil | ,versions dillo |
| 07:04.59 | judd | dillo -- etch: 0.8.5-4.1 |
| 07:05.02 | trox | seems like they've removed the package |
| 07:05.55 | ClassicR | ok, now i'm see the new kernels |
| 07:05.57 | ClassicR | and now: |
| 07:06.05 | trox | i need something light without lots of dependences |
| 07:06.10 | ClassicR | and now what kernel need for me? |
| 07:06.17 | trox | any suggestions? |
| 07:06.21 | jelly-home | ClassicR: the general idea is: 1. install newer kernel 2. add boot parameters for it do get into framebuffer (graphic) console: video=i915 i915.modeset=1, 2a. reboot, 3. configure xorg to use said framebuffer (driver fbdev); this will involve creating an xorg.conf file and setting correct driver |
| 07:07.01 | ClassicR | the kernels: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/450939/ |
| 07:07.03 | jelly-home | trox: eh... links2 if you don't need javascript? |
| 07:07.14 | trox | i do. |
| 07:07.52 | trox | now someones gona suggest lynx |
| 07:07.58 | craigevil | trox: http://packages.qa.debian.org/d/dillo/news/20100410T185056Z.html info on why dillo was removed |
| 07:07.59 | trox | then even wget :P |
| 07:08.15 | trox | yes i just read that |
| 07:08.18 | trox | very sad. |
| 07:08.21 | ClassicR | for me need this package? linux-image-2.6.32-bpo.5-xen-686 |
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| 07:09.05 | craigevil | trox: how light does it need to be? |
| 07:09.27 | trox | craigevi : something more or less like dillo |
| 07:09.54 | trox | anything with few deps |
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| 07:10.14 | craigevil | you might try uzbl or http://kmandla.wordpress.com/2010/05/24/the-1-2kb-python-browser-script/ |
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| 07:10.38 | trox | let me check. |
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| 07:13.15 | craigevil | surf is decent, http://surf.suckless.org/ |
| 07:14.32 | ClassicR | jelly-home: what kernel need for me? http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/450939/ |
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| 07:15.07 | trox | thx for the suggestions/checking them now |
| 07:15.30 | trox | just so you know the box has xorg and fluxbox installed |
| 07:16.05 | trox | other than that its a basic install of debian lenny |
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| 07:16.25 | trox | thats why i was hoping to get dillo installed. |
| 07:17.07 | Bushmills | trox: links2 -G may be a complement to dillo |
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| 07:17.39 | trox | -g ? |
| 07:17.57 | Bushmills | and another light browser, for X, is netsurf. no. -G |
| 07:18.02 | trox | cant be. it has a grafic version? |
| 07:18.09 | trox | i see |
| 07:18.15 | Bushmills | that's what the -G does |
| 07:18.44 | trox | damn maemo keyboard ' hardly able to type |
| 07:19.05 | trox | k bushmills i'll give that a try |
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| 07:19.35 | Bushmills | there may be minimo for your phone, which is, afaik, not part of debian |
| 07:19.44 | ClassicR | how can i see now i what version kernel using? |
| 07:20.12 | Bushmills | uname -a |
| 07:20.12 | trox | uname -a |
| 07:20.18 | ClassicR | thx |
| 07:20.49 | ClassicR | i think i installed this: linux-image-2.6.32-bpo.5-xen-686 |
| 07:21.04 | ClassicR | but is see, my kernel version is 2.6.26-2-686 |
| 07:21.06 | ClassicR | why? |
| 07:21.19 | ClassicR | need computer restart? |
| 07:21.55 | trox | you need to tell us what your problem is first classicR |
| 07:22.40 | ClassicR | need update my old kernel (Debian 5.04) because my new videocard chipset not working with olda |
| 07:22.46 | unkmar | trox: He thinks he has installed the new kernal but isn't seeing it when he does uname -a |
| 07:23.02 | ClassicR | i'm running this: apt-get -t lenny-backports install linux-image-2.6.32-bpo.5-xen-686 |
| 07:23.11 | ClassicR | yeah unkmar |
| 07:23.27 | trox | aha |
| 07:23.29 | unkmar | ClassicR: yes, The kernel is about the only thing that requires a restart. |
| 07:23.45 | ClassicR | ok, restart, moment |
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| 07:25.06 | unkmar | and I have read that restarts for the kernel can be gotten around. |
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| 07:27.50 | trox | ok first try so far was links2 -g |
| 07:27.59 | trox | epic fail. |
| 07:28.09 | trox | on to the next. |
| 07:29.09 | unkmar | I have never seen dillo so I don't know. |
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| 07:29.27 | trox | it just some light browser |
| 07:29.43 | ClassicR | ok, restarted and the new kernel working |
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| 07:30.48 | ClassicR | how uninstall xserver-xorg-video-intel ? |
| 07:30.52 | unkmar | trox: I see, you are looking for a lightweight GUI browser. GUI being the keypoint. |
| 07:31.21 | unkmar | ClassicR: aptitude purge xserver-xorg-video-intel |
| 07:31.22 | trox | that it correct. |
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| 07:32.07 | unkmar | unfortunately, lightweight is a very subjective term. |
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| 07:32.35 | lgeesfstj | how could I get ruby to run at statup? |
| 07:32.48 | unkmar | many browsers are lightweight considering the features they have. |
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| 07:33.50 | unkmar | lgeesfstj: run as you or root? launch at X startup or system startup? |
| 07:33.56 | trox | how about this |
| 07:34.10 | trox | few dependences |
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| 07:34.34 | Dewi | trox: epiphany? I don't use it but webkit browsers work even on embedded platforms |
| 07:34.57 | Dewi | trox: midori is another popular one |
| 07:35.03 | lgeesfstj | how could I get ruby to start at server startup? |
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| 07:35.05 | Dewi | (but way less mature) |
| 07:35.09 | unkmar | trox: Dewi is correct. choose a webkit browser. such as epiphany. |
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| 07:35.21 | Dewi | lgeesfstj: ruby's a language. Do you mean like... a web application server? |
| 07:35.28 | Jckf|Work | All cron jobs have stopped executing on my box? Halp? |
| 07:35.31 | Dewi | lgeesfstj: or say, a particular script? |
| 07:35.43 | trox | those need you to have gnome or kde installed? |
| 07:36.08 | Dewi | trox: you're trying to use a GUI without GTK or qt? |
| 07:36.20 | Dewi | trox: that sounds tough |
| 07:36.20 | trox | no |
| 07:36.22 | Gokee2 | trox, Arora is a nice little light weight browser |
| 07:36.45 | Gokee2 | (provided you have qt) |
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| 07:36.57 | ClassicR | how upgrade my xorg? |
| 07:37.09 | unkmar | lgeesfstj: read up on rc.local and cron.tab |
| 07:37.13 | ClassicR | (i have debian 5.04, but this xorg old) |
| 07:37.16 | lgeesfstj | I would like this to start "ruby script/server webrick -e production" on system startup |
| 07:37.24 | Gokee2 | ClassicR, apt-get install xorg? |
| 07:37.36 | ClassicR | yeah? :) |
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| 07:37.48 | lgeesfstj | I pasted that code in rc.local but it still didnt run on startup |
| 07:37.49 | ClassicR | version?and how see my xorg |
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| 07:38.02 | ClassicR | how see my xorg verison? |
| 07:38.03 | Gokee2 | ClassicR, apt-cache show xorg |
| 07:38.20 | Gokee2 | ClassicR, and apt-cache policy xorg is handy too |
| 07:38.31 | lgeesfstj | I tested sh /etc/rc.local and the script ran, but still not at startup |
| 07:38.41 | unkmar | lgeesfstj: it doesn't know where ruby is. You have to consider start time is different. |
| 07:38.55 | unkmar | lgeesfstj: which ruby |
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| 07:39.05 | unkmar | lgeesfstj: specify its location. |
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| 07:39.13 | lgeesfstj | how would I do thtat? |
| 07:39.21 | Dewi | lgeesfstj: type 'which ruby' and use the full path |
| 07:39.33 | Dewi | in the script |
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| 07:40.22 | unkmar | is tired of hand hodling. (wouldn't want to appear to friendly.) |
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| 07:40.54 | lgeesfstj | the path is /usr/bin/local ? were should I add this? |
| 07:41.13 | Dewi | lgeesfstj: no, the full path |
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| 07:41.26 | Dewi | lgeesfstj: use it instead of 'ruby' in the script |
| 07:41.28 | unkmar | /usr/bin/local/ruby damn-script-to-start.ext |
| 07:41.39 | lgeesfstj | that's the path I get when I run which ruby |
| 07:41.45 | Dewi | lgeesfstj: nope |
| 07:41.54 | lgeesfstj | ok I'll test that |
| 07:42.05 | Dewi | lgeesfstj: you have removed 'ruby' from the end for some reason |
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| 07:42.35 | unkmar | picks up clueBy4 and starts swinging. |
| 07:43.06 | lgeesfstj | hmm |
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| 07:44.45 | lgeesfstj | so the right command should be usr/bin/ruby script/serverwebrick -e production |
| 07:45.30 | Dewi | lgeesfstj: only if that's where ruby is (you said /usr/bin/local) |
| 07:45.31 | unkmar | lgeesfstj: you forgot leading slash |
| 07:45.35 | npoektop | hi! is it possible to make a proxy with nginx that would give content of www.example.com/path?... when i go to www.example.com.mydomain.com/path?... |
| 07:45.57 | unkmar | npoektop: yes |
| 07:45.59 | Dewi | lgeesfstj: you want to replace the word ruby with the full unaltered output of 'which ruby' |
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| 07:47.06 | unkmar | lgeesfstj: in my case, that is: /usr/bin/ruby |
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| 07:47.23 | npoektop | unkmar, how to do that? what to look for? can't find it in google |
| 07:47.24 | lgeesfstj | yes /usr/bin/ruby is also my path |
| 07:47.26 | unkmar | i didn't know i had ruby installed. |
| 07:47.52 | lgeesfstj | but that script need to be run in this folder /root/redmine-0.8 |
| 07:48.03 | lgeesfstj | how would I get this last step to work? |
| 07:48.42 | unkmar | npoektop: I don't know what nginx is. but if it has PHP capability then it can grab the content of a remote site and return it. |
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| 07:50.08 | unkmar | cd to that folder in the script. |
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| 07:50.31 | npoektop | unkmar, it's not what i need( |
| 07:50.32 | lgeesfstj | how? |
| 07:50.57 | lgeesfstj | like cd /root/redmine-0.8 adn the linebreak and then the script? |
| 07:51.57 | lgeesfstj | I'm new with shellscripting |
| 07:52.06 | unkmar | the rc.local file IS a script. so I am referring to it. |
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| 07:53.39 | lgeesfstj | yes should I write cd /root/redmine-0.8 return and then /usr/bin/ruby script........... |
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| 07:54.13 | unkmar | npoektop: I see, nginx is a proxy server. |
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| 07:55.06 | unkmar | npoektop: what you may be looking for is content filtering such as Dans guardian. |
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| 07:56.12 | lgeesfstj | hey guys could someone please tell me how I would cd to the directory which I would like the script to be run from |
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| 07:57.45 | unkmar | npoektop: I don't know if nginx can do that. Looks like it should be able to. |
| 07:58.09 | npoektop | unkmar, anyway, thank you |
| 07:58.31 | Gokee2 | lgeesfstj, What are you trying to do? |
| 07:59.15 | unkmar | npoektop: see if it supports virtual domains? |
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| 08:01.05 | unkmar | npoektop: http://wiki.nginx.org/NginxVirtualHostExample |
| 08:01.19 | unkmar | that might help you. |
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| 08:03.42 | lgeesfstj | ok guys the info which I putted in rc.local start my script when I run this command /etc/rc.local But still this script dosn't run on startup |
| 08:04.20 | lgeesfstj | I think something which my script is using are not up when my system boot calls the /etc/rc.local file? |
| 08:04.53 | ethanol | mornin' people |
| 08:04.56 | unkmar | lgeesfstj: really, so you have the script set to create a /tmp/file for logging as proof that it does start at startup and you don't see it? |
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| 08:06.45 | unkmar | good night |
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| 08:07.46 | lgeesfstj | I did echo "hello" > /root/test.txt and saw that this worked but my script is not started any way, think it's dependent on something that's not started at the time the script is called from the OSD |
| 08:07.53 | lgeesfstj | OSD = OS |
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| 08:10.22 | BigBob85 | hey |
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| 08:11.11 | BigBob85 | trying to make a dud user on a debian lenny server for use of sftp, want the user to be chrooted |
| 08:11.32 | BigBob85 | in the sshd_config file I have a user mask for my user |
| 08:12.13 | BigBob85 | err, not a mask, a match. |
| 08:12.22 | BigBob85 | but for some reason it wont let me login with the user (via ssh for sftp) when the ChrootDirectory directive is set. |
| 08:12.33 | BigBob85 | When its not set, I can sftp, but not ssh (which is whatI want) |
| 08:12.41 | BigBob85 | except the user is not restricted to their directory. |
| 08:12.45 | BigBob85 | Any idea what could cause this. |
| 08:14.03 | Ikarus | hrm, any standard doc for making a package that has to add a new user ? |
| 08:14.22 | BigBob85 | it gives the error of "Can't connect to XX.XX.XX.XX. SFTP21 error = #4. Disconnect: connection lost." |
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| 08:22.37 | gelpg | hi, I need a non-root user to read a /var/log/mail.log |
| 08:22.43 | gelpg | I added to the adm group |
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| 08:22.59 | gelpg | but still can't read the mail log file |
| 08:23.03 | karme | gelpg: re-login |
| 08:23.46 | gelpg | karme: thanks, it works4 |
| 08:25.23 | Jckf|Work | All cron jobs have stopped executing on my box. What now? |
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| 08:30.26 | lgeesfstj | my problem with the ruby script which dosn't run at startup, wonder if the scripts in there are run as root? |
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| 08:30.44 | lgeesfstj | because my script wouln't work if it's not ran as root |
| 08:32.43 | lindi- | lgeesfstj: strace. |
| 08:32.46 | qbeck | top command says there is one zombie running in my system how do i know which is that -- |
| 08:33.12 | qbeck | running Elive Gem |
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| 08:37.36 | ansgar | qbeck: There is only support for Debian in this channel. Elive Gem is not Debian (even when it is based on Debian). |
| 08:38.17 | Rada | qbeck: man ps |
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| 09:10.03 | dongs | anyone knwo if theres a way to check supermicro chassis sata backplane |
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| 09:12.18 | jelly | dongs: ##hardware ? |
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| 09:14.50 | happosade | mdadm --assemble --scan --update=resync /dev/md0 |
| 09:14.50 | happosade | mdadm: /dev/md0 not identified in config file. |
| 09:14.57 | happosade | What do I do wrong? |
| 09:15.30 | Jckf|Work | All is lost. Install Windows Vista =) |
| 09:15.43 | Jckf|Work | Or ME. That is good too |
| 09:15.51 | happosade | No... I don't belive you >:OOOO |
| 09:16.05 | Jckf|Work | D= |
| 09:16.10 | happosade | Well... How about these port that won't open. :P |
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| 09:16.26 | happosade | I would like to have 21 open. |
| 09:17.17 | Jckf|Work | Ports under 1024 are usually blocked to non-root users |
| 09:17.22 | nawk | So, I'm slowly learning the Debian Policy Manual, more specifically how things (packages etc) work in Debian |
| 09:17.49 | happosade | I am root. :) |
| 09:18.26 | Jckf|Work | Then what error message are you presented with? =) |
| 09:18.33 | nawk | are virtual packages usually provided by a BIG package that comprise of a collection (or set of related) packages? |
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| 09:19.03 | happosade | It won't take the connection, even services works locally |
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| 09:19.27 | nawk | e.g. gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad provides a virtual package called gstreamer0.10-plugins-farsight |
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| 09:19.51 | koollman | nawk: virtual packages are used when many packages can do the same thing (a webserver, or a mail server) |
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| 09:20.24 | koollman | nawk: they are also used for non-classic dependancies, like gstreamer |
| 09:21.01 | dongs | non-classic, classic. |
| 09:21.21 | koollman | hmm. ok. 'f*cked up depends'. ;) |
| 09:21.32 | \amethyst | they can be used for what you described, especially when something that was previously separate, and that has reverse dependencies, is folded into another package |
| 09:21.42 | \amethyst | e.g. perl's Provides: |
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| 09:22.50 | nawk | what's reverse dependencies? (i.e. mutual dependencies?) |
| 09:22.58 | \amethyst | things that depend on them |
| 09:23.25 | \amethyst | if A depends on B, then B is a dependency of A, and A is a reverse dependency of B |
| 09:24.57 | nawk | \amethyst, thank you for that concrete (illustrative example) :-) |
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| 09:27.18 | Blackvel | hi. what services are supported with tcpwrappers (libwrap.so) besides sshd on debian 5.0.2 (for fail2ban and etc/hosts.deny)? |
| 09:27.29 | nawk | depender isn't a word huh? |
| 09:27.48 | dongs | tcpwrappers? |
| 09:27.53 | dongs | did i walk into 1986? |
| 09:28.03 | dongs | please #define NOT_1986 to continue chatting |
| 09:28.04 | Blackvel | its vserver, no iptables! |
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| 09:28.38 | dongs | irrelevant |
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| 09:28.47 | dongs | nothing since '86 should be using tcpwrappers |
| 09:28.51 | dongs | no matter waht reason |
| 09:29.11 | jelly | dongs: please keep to productive comments or stay quiet |
| 09:29.22 | dongs | jelly: you disagree? |
| 09:29.33 | dongs | if so, please take it to #caretown or something. |
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| 09:29.42 | dongs | im giving correct advice. |
| 09:29.56 | \amethyst | dongs: so what should he do to block access from specific hosts? |
| 09:30.08 | Birdy2323 | Can someone tell me how I can manage users in Debian 5 (xfce)? |
| 09:30.14 | dongs | you dont. dont run shit 'specific hosts' will want to access. |
| 09:30.18 | jelly | dongs: you're not, and your nickname is rather trollish which raises a red flag here |
| 09:30.25 | \amethyst | dongs: so he shouldn't run ssh? |
| 09:30.32 | \amethyst | and how should he access this machine? |
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| 09:30.47 | dongs | ssh has its own access control , thankfully, and its NOT tcp_fuckingwrappers. |
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| 09:31.01 | dongs | nice attempt at trolling though \amethyst |
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| 09:31.15 | jelly | Blackvel: most ftp servers and any serveice able to run under inetd can use tcp_wrappers |
| 09:31.30 | \amethyst | I'M THE FUCKING TROLL |
| 09:31.31 | Blackvel | dongs: what are you talking about? do ldd /usr/sbin/sshd. it has built-in libwrap.so support |
| 09:31.34 | \amethyst | FUCK THIS CHANNEL |
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| 09:31.48 | dongs | Blackvel: not on my system. |
| 09:31.51 | petemc | oh dear |
| 09:32.05 | jelly | dongs: are you sure your system is Debian? |
| 09:32.24 | dongs | im not sure of anything. |
| 09:32.26 | dongs | bbl |
| 09:32.29 | jelly | !ops dongs trolling |
| 09:32.30 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: jelly complains about: dongs trolling |
| 09:32.32 | dongs | gotta drive and take t hat fucking backplane apart. |
| 09:32.39 | dongs | sinc nobody here is gonna tell me how to fix it remotely |
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| 09:35.26 | jimcooncat | what is the command to get all the info I can about my NIC? |
| 09:36.06 | petemc | ethtool ethN |
| 09:36.15 | jimcooncat | thanks petemc |
| 09:36.22 | petemc | np |
| 09:36.24 | jelly | Blackvel: also, snmpd, portmap, nfs services (mountd) |
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| 09:37.01 | JyZyXEL | if i have some totally useless packages at state 'rc' shouldn't i go and purge them? |
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| 09:37.26 | jelly | JyZyXEL: sure, if they're totally useless! |
| 09:37.39 | JyZyXEL | theres such a crap pile up in 8 year old debian system its not even funny |
| 09:37.54 | jelly | JyZyXEL: mind your language |
| 09:38.19 | JyZyXEL | i was |
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| 09:44.10 | Blackvel | is there any change to protect postfix and sasl with /etc/hosts.deny? (no libwrap.so built-in)? |
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| 09:45.23 | lera_zed | Hello, I am thinking about running KVM virtual machines on my server, at the moment it configured with eth0:*, I need to switch to br0:*, I dont have kvm (keyboard,video,mouse...) attached to it, is it safe to just run ifdown eth0;sleep 3;ifup br0 in tmux/screen ? |
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| 09:46.18 | JyZyXEL | lets see what happends when i purge 135 packages |
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| 09:46.32 | JyZyXEL | their all rc |
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| 09:48.30 | jelly | Blackvel: postfix has its own access and authentication configuration, rather exhaustive |
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| 09:48.47 | jelly | Blackvel: which service do you mean by "sasl"? |
| 09:48.51 | frostschutz | lera_zed: that would shut down network I assume |
| 09:48.52 | chrisw1 | hmm, I have a ps ac | grep whatever that I'd now like to pip the process numbers from into kill, anyone got a good shell script example for this? |
| 09:50.27 | Jckf|Work | chrisw1: Look at awk and cut (I think those were the ones) |
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| 09:50.53 | chrisw1 | Jckf|Work: yep, thanks, this worked: ps ax | grep trial | cut -c1-6 | xargs kill -9 |
| 09:51.28 | lera_zed | frostschutz: yes, however I am going to run commands on local tmux, so I am sure that ifup br0 will work out, I am just not sure will it succeed or not |
| 09:52.36 | frostschutz | lera_zed: tmux/screen isn't the problem here ;) |
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| 09:53.31 | BigBob85 | in the sshd_config file I have a match user for my user, and everything is fine, unless I use the ChrootDirectory option in Match |
| 09:53.33 | lera_zed | frostschutz: heh, I know |
| 09:53.50 | BigBob85 | if I have ChrootDirectory it will not let me log in via ssh or sftp |
| 09:53.57 | BigBob85 | but WITH the option, fails for both ssh and sftp. |
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| 09:54.18 | BigBob85 | any ideas? |
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| 09:56.43 | Blackvel | jelly: postfix/smtpd[19076]: warning: unknown[187.52.141.x]: SASL LOGIN authentication failed. would be could to ban those clients |
| 09:56.59 | jelly | BigBob85: yeah, fire up a second instance of sshd with debug options, on a different port, see what it tells you |
| 09:57.48 | jelly | Blackvel: can't you just configure fail2ban to catch those lines and add to access(5)? |
| 09:59.06 | jelly | Blackvel: read access(5). There's a #postfix channel. |
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| 10:02.49 | Blackvel | wow cool idea. even got check_client_access before permit_sasl_authenticated |
| 10:03.37 | jelly | righto |
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| 10:05.35 | Blackvel | apt-cache rdepends libwrap0 |
| 10:05.44 | Blackvel | seems i was looking for that cmd |
| 10:05.45 | Blackvel | ;) |
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| 10:10.51 | BigBob85 | jelly, I got sshd running with debug logging on main port atm. |
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| 10:13.22 | VectorX | hi i am trying to add a path permanently but its not working added to .bash_profile PATH=$PATH:/home/usr1 ; export $PATH |
| 10:14.34 | BigBob85 | jelly, pam_env(sshd:setcred): Unable to open env file: /etc/default/locale: No such file or directory |
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| 10:15.30 | BigBob85 | jelly, fatal: bad ownership or modes for chroot directory "/home/user/bigbob85" |
| 10:15.54 | BigBob85 | folder is owned by correct user account |
| 10:16.18 | greenmang0 | VectorX: what you did after adding a path? |
| 10:16.38 | VectorX | logged out and back in |
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| 10:17.12 | VectorX | so i have to keep manually typing the commands each time |
| 10:17.23 | greenmang0 | VectorX: what does "echo $PATH" say? |
| 10:17.45 | VectorX | it shows the proper path if i do it manually, when logged out and in, it doesnt show my new value |
| 10:17.49 | internat | are yo sure your .bash_profile is getting exectured? |
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| 10:18.04 | VectorX | it doesnt look like it i would imagine |
| 10:18.10 | greenmang0 | VectorX: try this "$ source .bash_profile" in your current shell |
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| 10:18.50 | VectorX | i get nothing |
| 10:19.09 | greenmang0 | VectorX: you won't get anything... now check "echo $PATH" |
| 10:19.31 | VectorX | well i already typed the command so it will be there |
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| 10:19.36 | VectorX | should i log out and try |
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| 10:20.02 | VectorX | or is there anything else you want me to do before that |
| 10:20.15 | greenmang0 | VectorX: nope |
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| 10:21.01 | greenmang0 | VectorX: your shell should be invoked as a login shell... then only bash reads all .bash_* files |
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| 10:21.23 | greenmang0 | VectorX: in your current shell you can also try "bash -l" |
| 10:21.27 | VectorX | its not there |
| 10:21.45 | VectorX | ok after bash -l it worked |
| 10:21.50 | VectorX | i can see the path npw |
| 10:22.01 | VectorX | so what do i need to do to make this happend automatically |
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| 10:23.33 | greenmang0 | VectorX: log out from xserver |
| 10:23.45 | VectorX | im not in xserver, using cli |
| 10:23.51 | VectorX | putty |
| 10:23.56 | greenmang0 | VectorX: oh |
| 10:24.24 | greenmang0 | VectorX: then i really don't know |
| 10:24.41 | VectorX | but we are so close |
| 10:25.01 | VectorX | we did like the "bash -l" and stuff together |
| 10:25.06 | VectorX | we go way back |
| 10:25.11 | VectorX | just scroll up and youll see |
| 10:25.43 | greenmang0 | VectorX: why are you using putty?? |
| 10:25.58 | VectorX | telnet to remote server |
| 10:26.00 | greenmang0 | VectorX: i guess.. through putty you are loggin in to some other system |
| 10:26.26 | greenmang0 | VectorX: hmm |
| 10:26.43 | VectorX | yeah i need to put my scripts folder in the path coz doing ../../../whatever.pl is driving me nuts |
| 10:26.58 | greenmang0 | VectorX: yeah, that's true |
| 10:27.38 | VectorX | it wouldnt be too bad, but the telnet session keeps timing out ever few mins so everytime i log in its even annoying to be setting the path |
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| 10:28.00 | greenmang0 | VectorX: why don't you use SSH then? |
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| 10:29.22 | VectorX | well i am connecting via ssh |
| 10:30.01 | VectorX | via port 22 that is |
| 10:30.09 | greenmang0 | VectorX: right |
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| 10:32.58 | SOUL_OF_R00T | nice day |
| 10:33.00 | VectorX | k think i found the prob |
| 10:33.04 | VectorX | let me confirm |
| 10:33.08 | Seb | hi fellows |
| 10:33.53 | Seb | if i got the TS_VIDEO directory from a video dvd, what utility do I use to create a new dvd video ? |
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| 10:34.19 | VectorX | ok that did it, now its working |
| 10:34.39 | VectorX | it only made sense given the steps we performed so far |
| 10:35.01 | VectorX | Seb maybe something like ffmpeg |
| 10:35.07 | VectorX | or transcode |
| 10:35.17 | VectorX | or mencode |
| 10:35.28 | Seb | that won't create a dvd, definitely not |
| 10:35.48 | Seb | it would make an mpeg/xvid out of the VOB, at best |
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| 10:36.04 | VectorX | "create a new dvd video" |
| 10:36.15 | VectorX | did you mean "create a new dvd video disc" ? |
| 10:36.22 | VectorX | my bad |
| 10:36.32 | VectorX | i misunderstood the question |
| 10:36.50 | Seb | np |
| 10:37.03 | greenmang0 | VectorX: so got it working? what you did? |
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| 10:37.16 | Seb | mkisofs -dvd-video seems to be the ticket |
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| 10:37.25 | VectorX | greenmang0 in the passwd, the default shell was sh so bash wasnt getting executed |
| 10:37.37 | VectorX | kind of made me look there after bash -l |
| 10:37.47 | VectorX | which meant everything else was fine |
| 10:38.04 | greenmang0 | VectorX: K00L |
| 10:38.16 | VectorX | i know man |
| 10:38.23 | VectorX | its the simple things in life |
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| 10:39.13 | VectorX | Seb something like http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/howto-linux-create-video-dvds.html ? |
| 10:39.35 | Seb | yeah, -dvd-video for mkisofs seems to be doing it |
| 10:39.52 | VectorX | great |
| 10:40.08 | VectorX | its seems like a pretty straight forward process |
| 10:40.28 | VectorX | somehow the more i keep using cli the more i keep not wanting to use gui, its really wiered |
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| 10:41.25 | VectorX | bookmarks that page |
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| 10:47.34 | greenmang0 | VectorX: CLI r0x |
| 10:48.00 | poisonbit | some body know a way to view system logins painted in a time line ? (/me has one hehe) |
| 10:49.31 | poisonbit | http://poisonbit.wordpress.com/2010/06/16/paint-your-system-login-sessions-in-a-google-calendar/ <-- patches welcome |
| 10:49.56 | os_admin | hello, i have mail server postfix mysql version 2.5.5, when i connect to my mailbow with thunderbird it's work normal but when i try to connect to my mailbox with php script i have this error <<Retrying CRAM-MD5 authentication after Authentication failed.>> & << Can not authenticate to POP3 server: Authentication failed.>> |
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| 10:50.11 | os_admin | have you any idea about this pb |
| 10:50.52 | poisonbit | os_admin, you can check pop3 using telnet |
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| 10:51.11 | os_admin | it's work without any problem |
| 10:51.12 | poisonbit | if server/credentials are fine, then debug your php code/dependency |
| 10:51.56 | Jckf|Work | poisonbit: Your server logs could help you too. The mail server usually logs why it denies a user access. |
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| 10:52.14 | poisonbit | ^^^ os_admin |
| 10:52.19 | os_admin | my php script work normaly when i try to connect to another server |
| 10:52.43 | os_admin | i have this pb only with this server |
| 10:53.19 | SOUL_OF_R00T | somebody already use the ati-drivers for one hd4200 adapter the 3 accel works but the console screen reveals troubles... |
| 10:53.25 | Jckf|Work | poisonbit: Oops. Yes =) That was for os_admin |
| 10:53.29 | petemc | os_admin: postfix doesnt do pop3 |
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| 10:53.49 | Jckf|Work | currier does |
| 10:53.52 | poisonbit | os_admin, you're not the first, google returns 3.350 with that message |
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| 10:55.59 | Dewi | os_admin: there are many different auth methods. Either configure your POP3 server (which is not postfix) to use what your script expects, or implement that method in your script |
| 10:56.22 | poisonbit | that seems that the server may (or may not) anounce CRAM-MD5 support, then each client (or your phpclass) has different behavior in different servers |
| 10:58.04 | poisonbit | welcome to the network packets ascii jungle |
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| 11:01.38 | Piratero_ | Hello everyone. |
| 11:02.04 | Piratero_ | I would like to have a particular package updated, but since I'm running Lenny, Squeeze seems to have the latest. |
| 11:02.16 | Piratero_ | I know it's not advisable to install from Sid, but what about Squeeze? |
| 11:02.23 | Piratero_ | The only issue I see is libc... |
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| 11:02.32 | Dewi | Piratero_: libc is a significant issue |
| 11:02.37 | Dewi | Piratero_: checked backports? |
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| 11:03.04 | Dewi | Piratero_: otherwise I would build package from source |
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| 11:03.09 | Dewi | !simple sid backport |
| 11:03.09 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <backports.org>. If unavailable: 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list 2) enable backports.org (see <bpo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 11:03.20 | Piratero_ | Nice, OK. |
| 11:03.26 | Piratero_ | I haven't checked backports. |
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| 11:03.54 | Dewi | Piratero_: packages.debian.org/packagename should show you the versions on various streams which these days includes backports.org |
| 11:04.16 | Piratero_ | Ah, I see. |
| 11:04.33 | Piratero_ | http://packages.debian.org/lenny/openbox |
| 11:04.47 | Piratero_ | So then backports would have the same? |
| 11:04.51 | Piratero_ | Err, same version? |
| 11:04.59 | Dewi | Piratero_: nah lose the lenny http://packages.debian.org/openbox |
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| 11:05.16 | Dewi | Piratero_: backports has 3.4.4.3 |
| 11:05.33 | Dewi | oops, that's etch backports |
| 11:05.42 | Piratero_ | Yeah, |
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| 11:06.16 | Dewi | Piratero_: in that case I would try building the package from source. In most cases it's as easy as the few commands the bot mentioned above |
| 11:06.22 | Piratero_ | OK. |
| 11:06.23 | eshat | How to I get a list of all packages, that I've installed from experimental ? |
| 11:06.32 | Piratero_ | Dewi: Thanks for your help! |
| 11:07.04 | Dewi | Piratero_: oh and where it says sid, you might want to use lenny instead |
| 11:07.08 | Dewi | Piratero_: sorry squeeze I mean |
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| 11:07.37 | Dewi | Piratero_: better liklihood of the source package working... although at the moment they appear to be the same anyway |
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| 11:08.14 | TheBase | hello |
| 11:08.18 | Dewi | Piratero_: I'm talking about "add a deb-src line for squeeze to your sources.list" |
| 11:09.16 | Piratero_ | Ah |
| 11:09.18 | TheBase | I need some help with apache2. I installed apache2 and php5 but every time I try to run a php page it opens the download dialog box instead. Anyone knows what could be happening? |
| 11:09.20 | Piratero_ | Makes much more sense, thanks. |
| 11:09.37 | TheBase | I'm running Debian squeeze/sid |
| 11:09.38 | themill | dpkg: tell TheBase about php wants me to download still |
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| 11:10.07 | TheBase | dpkg, tell TheBase php |
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| 11:10.23 | Dewi | TheBase: you can /msg the bot directly if you want |
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| 11:11.25 | abrotman | TheBase: did you install libapache2-mod-php5 ? |
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| 11:13.02 | TheBase | abrotman, yes |
| 11:13.12 | TheBase | I installed after though |
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| 11:13.22 | TheBase | First I installed just apache2 then I installed the lib |
| 11:13.27 | themill | carefully read that message from dpkg |
| 11:13.30 | abrotman | TheBase: clear your browser cache, restart the browser |
| 11:13.37 | TheBase | there php5.load and .conf are in mods-enabled |
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| 11:13.51 | TheBase | abrotman, done. It's still the same |
| 11:13.54 | Dewi | TheBase: restart apache too |
| 11:13.56 | TheBase | I tried on other browser too |
| 11:14.04 | TheBase | Dewi, done. Still the same |
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| 11:15.32 | TheBase | the php file is coming with the source code and everything |
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| 11:15.50 | Dewi | TheBase: did you install all of these things via the package manager? |
| 11:16.05 | Birdy2323 | would of just used xampp. (Apache, mysql, php... With a bunch of other stuff like email/ftp server, etc). |
| 11:16.13 | TheBase | I haven't found any AddHandle or AddType. I think that might be it |
| 11:16.15 | abrotman | TheBase: have you restarted apache? /etc/init.d/apache2 restart ? |
| 11:16.18 | themill | Birdy2323: seriously... |
| 11:16.27 | TheBase | Dewi, yes |
| 11:16.29 | Dewi | TheBase: php5.conf contains addhandlers doesn't it? |
| 11:16.33 | TheBase | abrotman, yes |
| 11:16.36 | Dewi | TheBase: in mods-enabled |
| 11:16.38 | abrotman | themill: hehe |
| 11:16.51 | TheBase | Dewi, nop. So it looks like a bug |
| 11:16.53 | Dewi | TheBase: sorry I mean addtype |
| 11:17.19 | TheBase | sorry |
| 11:17.23 | TheBase | it has SetHandle |
| 11:17.25 | Dewi | TheBase: what does /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/php5.conf contain? |
| 11:17.27 | themill | TheBase: can you pastebin the output of "wget http://yourhost/apage.php" (or HEAD) |
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| 11:18.11 | TheBase | http://pastebin.org/337227 <--- php5.conf |
| 11:18.46 | Dewi | TheBase: what version of debian is this? |
| 11:19.13 | abrotman | Dewi: he said already |
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| 11:20.19 | Dewi | oh. |
| 11:20.30 | Birdy23232 | TheBase, Sounds as though it's a file type/extension problem. Might want to check the mine-type in apache httpd.conf. Apache needs to know the purpose of .php. |
| 11:20.35 | TheBase | themill, This is my wget http://pastebin.org/337229 |
| 11:20.37 | Dewi | TheBase: well I don't know squeeze/sid but for whatever reason I don't see a FilesMatch for .php here |
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| 11:20.54 | Dewi | TheBase: those matchers are for .phps .php3 .phtml |
| 11:21.02 | abrotman | TheBase: he wants to see the OUTPUT .. the contents of that file |
| 11:21.26 | Dewi | TheBase: so if your file is .php, it will not run as a script |
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| 11:21.31 | themill | actually the mime type it returns is enough |
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| 11:22.28 | themill | TheBase: php is disabled by default in user dirs. See the config file you pasted |
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| 11:23.05 | isfranc | hello |
| 11:23.07 | Dewi | themill: how can it get a mime type without a matching file extension? |
| 11:23.25 | themill | Dewi: eh? it matches the first FilesMatch |
| 11:23.28 | os_admin | this is an extraction from mail.log when i try to connect with the php script to my mailbox |
| 11:23.30 | os_admin | authdaemond: authmysql: REJECT - try next module |
| 11:23.38 | os_admin | authdaemond: FAIL, all modules rejected |
| 11:23.47 | os_admin | pop3d: LOGIN FAILED, method=CRAM-MD5, |
| 11:23.49 | Dewi | themill: oh... oops, missed the question mark |
| 11:23.59 | Dewi | sorry |
| 11:24.38 | eshat | I need a list of all installed packages from experimental, I remember, that there was a one-line-script for this. Does anyone remember? |
| 11:24.52 | themill | Dewi: yeah, it's a pretty funky regexp that one. I'd have just gone for the obvious php|php3|phtml or something to help people see what's going on |
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| 11:24.55 | themill | dpkg: tell eshat about which repo |
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| 11:25.14 | TheBase | themill, Aaaaaaaaarg |
| 11:25.16 | TheBase | that was it |
| 11:25.18 | TheBase | :/ |
| 11:25.27 | TheBase | I didn't pay attention to that :p |
| 11:25.32 | TheBase | themill, thanks |
| 11:25.35 | themill | np |
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| 11:26.24 | erAbuelo | grub-probe (in grub-common 1.98-1) fail with lvm volumen ?? |
| 11:26.27 | erAbuelo | helo |
| 11:26.46 | erAbuelo | *hello :) |
| 11:27.05 | abrotman | i'm not sure i quite agree with disabling the userdirs .. but oh well |
| 11:27.29 | TheBase | It's working. The universe is at balance again :) |
| 11:27.38 | jelly | is there a way to to uid mapping in nfs v3? |
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| 11:28.08 | themill | abrotman: would you allow all users on a box to sudo to the www-data user without a password? I'd think twice about it... |
| 11:28.26 | abrotman | duh .. yeah! |
| 11:28.39 | jelly | I kills my apache processes willy nilly! |
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| 11:29.51 | themill | randomly open files containing other people's db passwords etc too. Where could it go wrong? Delete a few files or rewrite them in someone else's CMS installation... perfect |
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| 11:30.25 | jelly | themill: if you have "someone else's CMS installation" under www-data, the terrorists have already won |
| 11:30.36 | jelly | sudo or not |
| 11:30.37 | themill | jelly: most CMSs encourage that |
| 11:30.51 | jelly | *shrug* |
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| 11:31.11 | jelly | most people find shared webhosting acceptable |
| 11:31.26 | themill | jelly: either that or they tell you that step #2 of installation is "chmod a+rwx -R ." |
| 11:32.02 | jelly | suphp? fcgid? what's that |
| 11:32.43 | jelly | will wait for peruser-mpm to stabilize |
| 11:32.51 | abrotman | themill: luckily step #3 is "Shoot self in foot" ? :) |
| 11:33.08 | themill | abrotman: that was covered by "step 0: decide to use this particular CMS" |
| 11:33.12 | jelly | abrotman: it's a NOOP, already accomplished in step #2 |
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| 11:33.32 | themill | unless you mean s/in/in other/ |
| 11:33.36 | hipodilski | Hi I have a reoccuring error in my /var/log/apache2/access.log |
| 11:33.40 | hipodilski | "::1 - - [17/Jun/2010:12:31:33 +0100] "OPTIONS * HTTP/1.0" 200 - "-" "Apache (internal dummy connection)"" |
| 11:33.56 | hipodilski | I wonder how can I solve that |
| 11:34.13 | themill | hipodilski: it's all the manekins inside your apache trying to get out at once |
| 11:34.16 | hipodilski | i'm running debian 5.0 |
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| 11:35.00 | hipodilski | I tried a couple of suggested solutions online but none works |
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| 11:35.09 | themill | hipodilski: it's not an error and there's nothing to do about it other than ignore it |
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| 11:36.23 | hipodilski | themill: I want't this message not to be logged |
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| 11:36.29 | hipodilski | I tried suggested ways but none works |
| 11:36.36 | hipodilski | what is the cause for the message? |
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| 11:39.03 | delight | on my lenny box i got the problem that when the mac adress of the network card changed it is not started at bootup ... can't find the config-file to change that back ... anybody got a suggestion ? |
| 11:39.24 | hipodilski | that's really since this is not happening on many other debian installations before I have used |
| 11:39.28 | SlayerXP | delight: it'll be a udev rule |
| 11:39.40 | SlayerXP | delight: /etc/..seomthing/somethingpersistennetsomething |
| 11:39.51 | SlayerXP | persistentnetrules maybe |
| 11:39.52 | delight | SlayerXP: ok i will google that and try some ;) thnx for the tip |
| 11:39.58 | abrotman | !tell delight about z25 |
| 11:42.18 | delight | thanks for the tipps guys ... it looks like the right place ... it created an additonal entry on 70-persistent-net.rules ... ill try tweaking it there ... thnx a lot |
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| 11:43.20 | onbes | Hey |
| 11:46.11 | delight | abrotman: SlayerXP: works ;) special thnx :) |
| 11:48.27 | onbes | I have problems with my system charset. Working on terminal without X i have all characters but as soon as I stark working at X i do not have any special chars or umlauts. I also did reconfigure locales but in X it does not change. |
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| 11:49.29 | SlayerXP | delight: pleasure. |
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| 11:53.23 | EagleScreen | hi |
| 11:53.35 | EagleScreen | if I want to view pdf documents embebed in Firefox, have I to install Adobe reader? or is there any other free solution? |
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| 11:54.18 | onbes | xpdf |
| 11:54.23 | onbes | You can use xpdf |
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| 11:54.41 | EagleScreen | xpdf can be embebed in Firefox? |
| 11:54.42 | CissWit | onbes: how do you embed it in firefox ? |
| 11:55.25 | themill | ,info mozplugger |
| 11:55.26 | judd | mozplugger (web, optional): Plugin allowing external viewers to be launched inside Mozilla. Version: 1.10.2-2; Size: 55.2k; Installed: 148k; Homepage: http://mozplugger.mozdev.org |
| 11:55.36 | themill | can't mozplugger do that? (nfc... I hate the idea) |
| 11:56.14 | EagleScreen | oh yes, that is |
| 11:56.21 | onbes | In the man of xpdf there should be an description to view pdfs in firefox |
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| 11:57.06 | EagleScreen | will mozplugger be compatible with iceweasel? |
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| 12:04.59 | eject_ck | Hi guys |
| 12:05.34 | eject_ck | is it possible that src port during connection to external web server is 0 ? |
| 12:05.41 | Jckf|Work | No |
| 12:05.52 | Jckf|Work | 0 is not a port |
| 12:06.15 | Jckf|Work | Oh. Wait. Maybe it is |
| 12:06.17 | eject_ck | what's this ? |
| 12:06.17 | eject_ck | | DateTime | SrcIPAddr | SrcPort | DstIPAddr | DstPort | Protocol | Bytes |
| 12:06.18 | eject_ck | 2010-05-09 00:00:00 | 89.162.xxx.xxx | 0 | 72.21.207.100 | 80 | 6 | 1468972 |
| 12:06.23 | eject_ck | It's what my ISP sent to me |
| 12:06.55 | rozie | hi |
| 12:07.12 | rozie | what's default MTU in Debian for ethernet interfaces? |
| 12:07.14 | Jckf|Work | 0 is reserved and should not be used for traffic afaik |
| 12:07.21 | rozie | 1500 or 576? |
| 12:07.21 | Jckf|Work | rozie: I'm guessing 1500 |
| 12:07.46 | Jckf|Work | rozie: ifconfig should tell you what the MTU is for your interfaces |
| 12:08.00 | rozie | I'm asking, because on Lenny live (made with livehelper) it's 576 |
| 12:08.10 | simonrvn | default mtu for ethernet is 1500 |
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| 12:09.26 | rozie | and on some other Debians it's 576 too. I wonder what's the cause ;) |
| 12:10.00 | simonrvn | probably for ipv6, is my guess. there's a good reason for it. |
| 12:10.30 | rozie | it's easy to change in config, but i'd like to know The Reason |
| 12:10.58 | rozie | simonrvn: well, it has significant impact on transfers |
| 12:11.08 | simonrvn | indeed it does |
| 12:11.13 | simonrvn | esp. that low |
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| 12:11.25 | rozie | especially, when you're behind some poor router |
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| 12:12.05 | rozie | I found info, that 576 is default MTU for Internet, and 1500 for LAN |
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| 12:13.14 | kripz | how can i see a changelog for the r8169 module? |
| 12:13.59 | petemc | check the kernel changelog |
| 12:14.52 | kripz | is there a search function rather than going through every single kernel? |
| 12:15.01 | abrotman | grep ? |
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| 12:15.31 | kripz | I havent installed the latest kernel yet |
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| 12:16.31 | themill | wonders what kripz's real question is |
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| 12:18.04 | kripz | themill, i want to see all changes to the r8169 module since kernel version 2.6.32+, i have kernel < 2.6.32 |
| 12:18.49 | rvsjoen | check out the source from git.kernel.org and use git-log is certainly one option |
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| 12:18.57 | rozie | kripz: there's always changelog for kernel published |
| 12:19.13 | rozie | download them, grep for -i r8169 |
| 12:19.17 | rozie | should be fine |
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| 12:19.24 | kripz | rozie, where do i download them from? |
| 12:19.37 | rozie | kernel? |
| 12:19.45 | rozie | dot org? |
| 12:19.48 | kripz | ok |
| 12:19.52 | kripz | i dont know of this site |
| 12:20.00 | rozie | <facepalm> |
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| 12:21.02 | kripz | wow, have to do it one by one all the way up to 2.6.35 |
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| 12:21.40 | rozie | kripz: there's gitweb |
| 12:21.48 | rozie | and it has search ;) |
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| 12:22.35 | kripz | rozie, yep, just found it. tyvm. |
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| 12:22.59 | rozie | np |
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| 12:23.28 | simonrvn | on downloaded source, from an rcs, i'd recommend ack-grep. it excludes stuff like .git and .svn by default |
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| 12:25.33 | kripz | So i've installed a module from realtek's website. I no longer wish to use it and want to use the default r8169, when i rmmod r8168 (realtek's) and try to modprobe r8169 it says it's gone, i must of removed it. From what i've read, i need to reinstall my kernel? |
| 12:25.53 | kripz | r8169 no longer exists that is. |
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| 12:29.42 | jelly | kripz: does "modinfo r8169" retrun anything? which version of kernel is in use ("uname -r")? |
| 12:31.26 | jelly | kripz: also, does "find /lib/modules/$(uname -r) -name r8169.ko" return output anything? If it doesn't, then it means you somehow managed to remove the driver, and you'll have to reinstall that kernel or try a different one |
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| 12:32.32 | kripz | ERROR: modinfo: could not find module r8169. 2.6.32-3-amd64 |
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| 12:32.45 | eshat | When I open a terminal, I always see "complete: Usage: complete [-abcdefgjksuv]..." at the top of the terminal ? Any ideas ? Also happens, if I "source /etc/bash.bashrc |
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| 12:33.06 | kripz | jelly, find returns nothing. To reinstall i must first boot into a different kernel and then reinstall? |
| 12:33.46 | eshat | hmmm this must be something with bash-completion |
| 12:33.51 | jelly | kripz: no, just reinstall |
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| 12:34.03 | jelly | kripz: uname -r? |
| 12:34.14 | kripz | 2.6.32-3-amd64 |
| 12:35.54 | jelly | ,kernels --arch amd64 |
| 12:35.55 | judd | (kernels [--release <lenny>]) -- Outputs the kernel versions in the archive, optionally restricted to one release. Note that semi-major releases like etchnhalf are treated as separate releases. |
| 12:35.59 | jelly | ,kernels |
| 12:36.01 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.34-1-686 (2.6.34-1~experimental.2); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-15); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-15); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-15~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-22lenny1); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
| 12:36.20 | jelly | kripz: so there's 2.6.32-5-*, upgrade! :-) |
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| 12:36.58 | kripz | jelly, unfortunately im using an Nvidia graphics card dont want to resort to compiling the nvidia stuff just yet so i cant upgrade |
| 12:37.39 | jelly | sucks to be you then |
| 12:38.08 | jelly | kripz: you could find the exact same package version in snapshot.debian.org and install that |
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| 12:38.43 | ne7work | hello all |
| 12:38.46 | ne7work | i need some help please :( |
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| 12:38.50 | jelly | !ask |
| 12:38.50 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 12:39.17 | trupheenix | hey i got a serious issue. i installed kpartx to try to mount a qemu image |
| 12:39.25 | trupheenix | when i do kpartx -a /image_path |
| 12:39.43 | trupheenix | i get an error /proc/misc: No entry for device-mapper found |
| 12:39.58 | trupheenix | Is device-mapper driver missing from kernel? |
| 12:39.59 | trupheenix | Failure to communicate with kernel device-mapper driver. |
| 12:39.59 | trupheenix | device mapper prerequisites not met |
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| 12:40.03 | trupheenix | ideas anyone? |
| 12:40.20 | jordanm | !tell trupheenix about enter |
| 12:40.29 | petemc | trupheenix: what kernel are you using? |
| 12:40.31 | jelly | trupheenix: is this a virtualized machine with limited access to kernel features (kernel module loading)? |
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| 12:40.48 | petemc | i use kpartx with debian kernels without problem |
| 12:41.00 | jelly | also, does kpartx not work on devices |
| 12:41.08 | trupheenix | petemc, i'm currently using 2.6.32-5-686 |
| 12:41.37 | trupheenix | jelly, i'm unable to mount any qemu images using mount -o loop,offset=32256 image /mnt |
| 12:41.50 | jelly | trupheenix: does the same thing happen if you create a loopback device for that image, then do kpartx on it |
| 12:42.03 | trupheenix | jelly, hmmm how do i do that? |
| 12:42.11 | jelly | trupheenix: use losetup |
| 12:42.37 | trupheenix | jelly, i don't have a /dev/mapper :-| |
| 12:43.06 | jordanm | modprobe dmmod? |
| 12:43.19 | trupheenix | jelly, losetup /dev/loop0 |
| 12:43.30 | trupheenix | loop: can't get info on device /dev/loop0 |
| 12:43.34 | trupheenix | jordanm, ok |
| 12:43.41 | jelly | trupheenix: it's a rtfm and the syntax should be obviuos |
| 12:43.48 | jordanm | trupheenix: sorry, dm-mod |
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| 12:44.29 | jelly | trupheenix: look under "Setup loop device" and ignore all the optional parameters |
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| 12:47.03 | blouf | hey |
| 12:47.08 | ne7work | i need some help with debian netinst |
| 12:47.09 | blouf | anyone there please ? |
| 12:47.14 | ne7work | i have pppoe connection |
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| 12:47.23 | ne7work | how to set up my pppoe connection and go to use netinst |
| 12:47.26 | trupheenix | jelly, hmmm ok so i did losetup -o 32256 hdd.img |
| 12:47.27 | RichiH | what is an efficient program to copy a lot of email from one imap account to another? |
| 12:47.29 | trupheenix | jelly, no use |
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| 12:47.38 | RichiH | kontact/kmail pretty much explodes |
| 12:48.14 | Jckf|Work | ne7work: Doesn't the netinst ask you for type of connection? |
| 12:48.24 | ne7work | i don't know? |
| 12:48.25 | ne7work | ask or? |
| 12:48.28 | ne7work | please tell me |
| 12:48.30 | trupheenix | jordanm, ok did modprobe dm-mod |
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| 12:48.46 | Jckf|Work | ne7work: Couldn't you just try? |
| 12:48.56 | trupheenix | jordanm, now i get device-mapper: resume ioctl failed: Invalid argument |
| 12:48.56 | eshat | anyone else got problems with bash-completion on sid ? |
| 12:48.59 | ne7work | tell me please i don't have much time |
| 12:49.02 | ne7work | and i'm bulgarian |
| 12:49.03 | ne7work | :( |
| 12:49.03 | ne7work | .. |
| 12:49.10 | ne7work | my english is.. |
| 12:49.10 | ne7work | please man |
| 12:49.12 | blouf | I wanna use dual screen, when i plug it while the computer is on, i got a good configuration but everytime i reboot resolutions of screens change, any suggestions please ? |
| 12:49.40 | Jckf|Work | ne7work: I don't want to now =) |
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| 12:50.33 | Jckf|Work | ne7work: How to install via PPPoE is in the Debian FAQ |
| 12:50.46 | Jckf|Work | Which was the first hit on Google |
| 12:51.00 | Jckf|Work | tears his hair out |
| 12:51.07 | trupheenix | jordanm, get the following in dmesg | tail : [29275.987255] device-mapper: table: 254:2: dm-1 too small for target: start=17580032, len=997376, dev_size=997377 |
| 12:51.52 | trupheenix | ne7work, pppoE? |
| 12:52.01 | trupheenix | ne7work, hmmm do u have a router? |
| 12:52.16 | jordanm | apparently not, or that would handle the pppoe |
| 12:52.21 | Jckf|Work | I don't think he'd ask if he did |
| 12:52.37 | Jckf|Work | People with routers and PPPoE don't know they have PPPoE =P |
| 12:53.01 | ne7work | trupheenix, no i have cable directly in my network card |
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| 12:53.14 | ne7work | i have PPPoE |
| 12:53.15 | ne7work | .. |
| 12:53.22 | trupheenix | ne7work, i'm unaware if u can use netinst over pppoe |
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| 12:53.51 | Jckf|Work | trupheenix: It's in the FAQ |
| 12:53.54 | RichiH | i don't think netinst works with pppoe |
| 12:54.02 | skeletal | example, i have KDE here and I would like to configure meu Konsole for always when someone try to access my root account typing "su skeletal" automatically show a audio saying " access denyed". I have the audio with me. But I dont know how to do it in my system. Someone have idea how to solve this problem? |
| 12:54.03 | trupheenix | ne7work, http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/FAQ#Q.3AHowdoIinstallviaPPPoE.3F |
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| 12:54.39 | Jckf|Work | RichiH: Third time I say this. It's in the FAQ. Clairly it is possible |
| 12:55.09 | RichiH | Jckf|Work: sorry :) |
| 12:55.33 | RichiH | tends to read top to bottom, but not always reads to the end before starting to type :p |
| 12:55.36 | skeletal | someone knows how help me in this case??? |
| 12:55.38 | trupheenix | jordanm, hmmm what would u suggest i do? |
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| 12:55.50 | trupheenix | skeletal, ask on the kde channel |
| 12:56.02 | jordanm | trupheenix: I don't have any more suggestions |
| 12:56.14 | trupheenix | jordanm, u suggest i rebuild ? |
| 12:56.15 | RichiH | skeletal: playing sound when a specific command is entered? |
| 12:56.32 | RichiH | skeletal: the shell, not the terminal emulator, would need to do that |
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| 12:56.41 | skeletal | RichiH yeah, yeah! |
| 12:56.42 | RichiH | is certain you can do that with zsh functions, but... |
| 12:56.51 | RichiH | konsole would prolly not be able to do that |
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| 12:57.08 | RichiH | skeletal: look at zsh & precmd() |
| 12:57.19 | RichiH | that being said, i think it's a really bad idea :p |
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| 12:58.15 | Kzim | hi |
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| 12:59.07 | skeletal | RichiH Good Job, man. I will go see it. So, and about login access in KDE when my system is started. Do you know how to include audio if someone type wrong my passwod? |
| 12:59.17 | hipodilski | is there any way that a hanged system is automatically reboot |
| 12:59.27 | hipodilski | by hanged I mean not with a kernel panic error |
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| 12:59.36 | hipodilski | just if services are malfunctioning |
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| 13:00.23 | RichiH | skeletal: i don't think KDM can do that |
| 13:00.48 | RichiH | skeletal: KDM is very much abstracted so it runs on all platforms. i can't even do a 'df -h' or something |
| 13:01.41 | Kzim | hi apache generate file with 664 owned by www-data:www-data but then my client can't delete then is there an apache config or something |
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| 13:02.13 | metze | hi, is there a way to invoke the partition user interface of the debian installer after from the already installed system, in order to create more partitions? |
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| 13:02.44 | jordanm | metze: AFAIK, partman is onyl available from the installer. you can use gparted post-installation |
| 13:04.20 | jelly | skeletal: what do you expect to happen if a) noone is logged in at the console, or b) if the audio device is in use by some application? |
| 13:05.55 | jelly | skeletal: I suggest inspecting entries from su in /var/log/auth.log |
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| 13:10.53 | Marsh4ll | today i changed the login screen to default settings and i cant get origial login screen back |
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| 13:11.36 | Marsh4ll | instead it has my username on the left |
| 13:11.48 | Marsh4ll | any idea's why? |
| 13:12.32 | eshat | hmm,... I've got a webm file, any player, that supports the playback ? |
| 13:12.57 | jordanm | google-chrome can play webm, not sure about locally |
| 13:13.45 | eshat | jordanm: I know that vlc 1.1 RC plays them, but compiling this would take quiete a time,... |
| 13:13.54 | kjetilkWork | is there some way I can install the dependencies of a package, but not the package itself? |
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| 13:14.26 | eshat | kjetilkWork: you could go to a package in aptitude and just press + on the depends |
| 13:14.47 | kjetilkWork | eshat: ah, yeah, that's a good point |
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| 13:14.51 | jordanm | kjetilkWork: it wouldn't be desirable however, as they won't be "automatically installed" |
| 13:15.09 | kjetilkWork | jordanm: ok, but that's not a problem |
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| 13:15.31 | jordanm | it is if you ever want to clean up that mess... |
| 13:15.48 | kjetilkWork | it would be nice to have for development, where the actual package is checked out from version control |
| 13:16.03 | kjetilkWork | and self-compiled |
| 13:16.34 | kjetilkWork | so, I need both the build-deps and since I do mostly Perl-development, the actual deps |
| 13:17.00 | jordanm | you could build the package. something like checkinstall might even be able to automate |
| 13:17.06 | kjetilkWork | since I tend to keep the stuff I develop around, cleaning up isn't much of an issue |
| 13:17.23 | kjetilkWork | right |
| 13:17.31 | jelly | kjetilkWork: you can easily download the deps with apt-get -d install ... or aptitude -d install |
| 13:17.46 | eshat | gestreamer-plugins-bad depends on google libvpx, so any player using it, could play webm files, am I right ? |
| 13:17.56 | jelly | kjetilkWork: install when needed |
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| 13:19.42 | kjetilkWork | jelly: and then dpkg -i * on the download dit? |
| 13:19.47 | kjetilkWork | s/dit/dir/ |
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| 13:20.19 | metze | jordanm: I'm searching for something that work without X, but I can always do it by hand... with parted, mdadm and pvcreate, vgcreate, lvcreate and mkfs... |
| 13:20.33 | jelly | kjetilkWork: no. Then put your own packages in a local repo and use apt. |
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| 13:20.49 | kjetilkWork | mmmm, yeah, I can see that |
| 13:21.41 | Marsh4ll | can someone check login manager and confirm the standard GUI style and Color scheme plz |
| 13:21.46 | kjetilkWork | I would have preferred apt-get install --deps-only foobar but I guess patches are welcome :-) |
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| 13:22.09 | Pupeno | Should /etc/hostname contain only the hostname or the fqdn of the machine? |
| 13:22.21 | jordanm | Pupeno: only the hostname in debian |
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| 13:23.33 | Pupeno | jordanm: is there any documentation to back that up? |
| 13:23.35 | Marsh4ll | how i start another desktop in F8? |
| 13:24.03 | jordanm | Pupeno: man hostname; section: FILES |
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| 13:24.13 | petemc | Marsh4ll: whats F8? |
| 13:24.25 | Pupeno | jordanm: |
| 13:24.29 | Pupeno | jordanm: thanks. |
| 13:24.43 | Marsh4ll | ctrl + alt + f8 |
| 13:24.46 | jordanm | Marsh4ll: startx -- :1 |
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| 13:25.02 | Marsh4ll | i cant type in there |
| 13:25.04 | Crypticfortune | is there some standard procedure for reporting when a debian mirror breaks and starts reporting 404s and/or 403s? |
| 13:25.14 | jordanm | Marsh4ll: it doesn't matter where you do it from |
| 13:25.26 | Marsh4ll | kk |
| 13:25.30 | Marsh4ll | thanks |
| 13:26.25 | jordanm | Crypticfortune: email the ftpmasters maybe? |
| 13:26.33 | Crypticfortune | I ask because 133.5.166.3 (part of ftp.jp.debian.org) has been spewing 404s and 403s at me at all day...very annoying |
| 13:27.09 | themill | Crypticfortune: there's a #debian-mirrors on irc.oftc.net and also a mailing list for this |
| 13:27.34 | jordanm | themill: different from the ftpmasters list? |
| 13:28.38 | themill | yes, http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/2010/06/threads.html |
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| 13:29.06 | Pupeno | Is there another way to set the fqdn of a machine that by /etc/hosts then? |
| 13:29.07 | Crypticfortune | thanks jordanm and themill. I'll check them out! |
| 13:29.37 | themill | ,info libnss-myhostname --release sid |
| 13:29.39 | judd | libnss-myhostname (admin, extra): nss module providing falback resolution for the current hostname. Version: 0.2-2; Size: 8.5k; Installed: 80k; Homepage: http://0pointer.de/lennart/projects/nss-myhostname/ |
| 13:29.45 | djura-san | hello people :) |
| 13:30.24 | themill | Pupeno: ^^ there was some discussion on using that recently on the debian-devel mailing list. |
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| 13:31.04 | Pupeno | themill: so, there's no other way than /etc/hosts or go against the docs currently? |
| 13:31.54 | jordanm | Pupeno: what are you trying to do? there is /etc/mailname |
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| 13:32.30 | themill | Pupeno: /etc/hosts, libnss-myhostname or possibly via a dhcp server are the usual ways |
| 13:32.45 | Pupeno | jordanm: I'm trying to have hostname -f return the fqdn |
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| 13:33.15 | Pupeno | jordanm: puppet seems not to be able to set /etc/hosts properly and people in #puppet think it should be written in /etc/hostname and that writing it in /etc/hosts is stupid. |
| 13:36.14 | themill | Pupeno: the best answer I can give is http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2003/05/msg02090.html |
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| 13:39.50 | Marsh4ll | if i reinstall kdm it would reset to original login for me? |
| 13:40.28 | jordanm | you need to use confmiss if you want it to overwrite your modified configs |
| 13:40.36 | jordanm | !tell Marsh4ll about confmiss |
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| 13:43.05 | Marsh4ll | is 'aptitude -o --force-confmiss reinstall kdm' correct syntax |
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| 13:45.50 | Marsh4ll | ? |
| 13:46.48 | Marsh4ll | and do i have to exit desktop? |
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| 13:47.41 | jordanm | Marsh4ll: use copy and paste, and replace <packagename> with the package you want |
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| 13:47.53 | jordanm | Marsh4ll: that will ensure you don't leave crap out, like the example you showed |
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| 13:49.08 | Marsh4ll | it can be done from desktop envir? |
| 13:49.09 | vsayikiran | how shall i know at what time ntpd daemon has synced with a time server. is there any log file to check this |
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| 13:49.18 | e-anima | someone using mod_xsendfile here and use it with php. in my case the mod_xsednfile header is ignored. so i think i have some module problems, but no idea |
| 13:49.19 | ShapeShifter499 | hi |
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| 13:49.33 | Marsh4ll | or its essential to exit desktop before reinstall? |
| 13:49.57 | petemc | vsayikiran: should be in syslog |
| 13:50.19 | acu | I can have around 40Mb/download and 4Mb/Upload from the isp provider - I am wondering whether a colocation is worth at all the money - as for a 2 Mb colocation with a mid-tower can reach 500$/month - I wonder if that is really worth - does anyone have experience want to share about it ? - I am planing to have a debian squeeze with qemu-kvm host and several virtual machines -squeeze to run webservers- |
| 13:51.15 | abrotman | acu: depends what kind of uptime, etc you need |
| 13:51.55 | vsayikiran | petemc: i checked syslog, but its not there. i searched using keywords, ntp and sync |
| 13:52.57 | acu | abrotman: can you tell me a tool which can monitor my present link and get a graph in a month (like uptime -trafic - max bandwith etc ? |
| 13:53.11 | abrotman | bandwidthd is one |
| 13:53.39 | petemc | iptotal another |
| 13:54.37 | simonrvn | Marsh4ll: doesn't matter in this case |
| 13:54.44 | petemc | vsayikiran: are there any ntp directories in /var/log/ ? |
| 13:55.00 | simonrvn | too many! :P |
| 13:55.01 | ShapeShifter499 | I'm trying to set up a debian server on a old laptop and I'm hitting snags everywhere plz help......The laptop is a Dell Inspiron 2500 with 128 mb ram, 10 gigs storage, Pentium III CPU. I downloaded a net install disk two days ago and popped it into the comp and I'm getting stuck at the network setup, it isn't recognizing the Ethernet connection and on wifi its failing during auto configuration p |
| 13:55.03 | ShapeShifter499 | lease help |
| 13:55.05 | Marsh4ll | thanks simonrvn |
| 13:55.05 | mns | is there a method with the dependency based boot sequence that allows me to disable certain things from starting ? I want to disable xdm from ever starting up. Everytime it gets updated, it ends up being reinstalled in /etc/rcX.d ( for X in 2 3 4 5). |
| 13:55.33 | vsayikiran | petemc: ntpstats. but it is empty |
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| 13:55.41 | simonrvn | rm the symlink in 2 |
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| 13:57.00 | ShapeShifter499 | brb restarting the wireless router |
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| 13:58.02 | acu | OK, another out of the sky question - did anyone use Kolab? - It seem it is CyrusIMAP made friendly- but I wanted to know a bit more from live person |
| 13:58.16 | grmluser | Hi, did anyone else have problems with the latest grub-pc upgrade in Sid? |
| 13:58.32 | jordanm | grmluser: tons of people on the bts |
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| 13:59.15 | grmluser | jordanm: Thanks. (I am on a terminal now so I did not check the bts yet). Good to know that it's not a local problem. :) |
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| 14:01.52 | ShapeShifter499 | back\ |
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| 14:02.18 | ShapeShifter499 | ya I'm still having errors with the connection |
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| 14:05.35 | simonrvn | acu: i suppose it would be ok for new cyrus installs but it messes with old ones too much for my taste. |
| 14:05.41 | sepult | should all the ca-certifacte's be activated which we are given ? |
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| 14:05.58 | sepult | with the package ca-certifacte i mean |
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| 14:09.16 | granquet | hi, I just tried to remove a package (mysql-server), but I now end up with mysql-server being "not fully installed" ... and apt-get wants to reconfigure it ... which fails at starting the non-existant mysql-server binary ... any ideas on how can I clean-up the mess? |
| 14:11.16 | simonrvn | mysql-server is just a meta-package.... |
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| 14:11.26 | Asteroidy | Ciao a Tutti!!! |
| 14:11.28 | simonrvn | there's not mysql-server binary |
| 14:11.31 | simonrvn | no* |
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| 14:12.22 | granquet | simonrvn: the package is mysql-server-5.1, and it fails with: Starting MySQL database server: mysqld . . . . . . . . . . . . . . failed! |
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| 14:12.47 | simonrvn | there's a log you can enable... read it. |
| 14:13.11 | jordanm | granquet: tail -20 /var/log/daemon.log |
| 14:13.17 | granquet | I don't really care about the log of mysqld, I just want to remove the package oO |
| 14:14.47 | simonrvn | maybe it's started already... |
| 14:15.21 | granquet | I apt-get remove'd it, it's not started. |
| 14:15.38 | jordanm | we won't know until we see the logs |
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| 14:16.29 | simonrvn | 10:11:15 < simonrvn>mysql-server is just a meta-package.... |
| 14:16.41 | granquet | I do know I don't want to debug mysqld, I just want to remove it :-/ |
| 14:17.16 | simonrvn | remove/purge them all. hel-lo! |
| 14:17.39 | granquet | simonrvn: HOW? (that's what I'm asking since the begining) |
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| 14:17.53 | simonrvn | !meta-package |
| 14:18.05 | jordanm | granquet: by showing us the output of the attempted removal and tail -20 /var/log/daemon.log |
| 14:18.06 | simonrvn | dpkg: test |
| 14:18.06 | dpkg | Test failed. |
| 14:18.21 | abrotman | !metapackage |
| 14:18.21 | dpkg | rumour has it, metapackage is a package that normally exists for convenience. It has no content, it just depends on other packages so that you don't have to have a hundred things on an apt-get/aptitude command line. The version of a metapackage can be misleading -- look at what it depends on instead (see the kde metapackage for an example). |
| 14:18.22 | jordanm | !metapackage |
| 14:19.23 | granquet | jordanm: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/226539/ ; I still think it's not relevant to the question I'm asking. |
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| 14:20.14 | jordanm | granquet: pkill mysqld; then remove your package |
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| 14:20.49 | jordanm | granquet: also, tail -20 produces 20 lines, you gave me 4, and of only one command that was asked for |
| 14:20.55 | jordanm | granquet: you are not helping us help you |
| 14:21.12 | granquet | it's not running, and I can't remove the package because it attemps to start mysqld |
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| 14:22.05 | jordanm | granquet: show me what I asked for initially |
| 14:22.18 | granquet | it's not relevant |
| 14:22.28 | jordanm | then I guess you can fix it yourself |
| 14:22.48 | Azhax | hi, may i know which is the most people use for failover mailserver? |
| 14:23.01 | granquet | jordanm: see: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/226540/ |
| 14:23.04 | jordanm | Azhax: please do not cross post |
| 14:23.19 | granquet | I just want to prevent apt-get try starting something that isn't installed |
| 14:23.53 | Azhax | jordanm, sorry just asking for whom want to answer :) |
| 14:23.57 | jordanm | granquet: apt-cache policy mysql-server-5.1 |
| 14:24.14 | nighter | granquet: dpkg -r mysql-server |
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| 14:24.31 | granquet | nighter: wow, thx, that actually helped :) |
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| 14:24.58 | abrotman | granquet: and now if you `dpkg --configure -a` ? |
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| 14:25.19 | granquet | abrotman: returns nothing, seems fixed |
| 14:25.37 | abrotman | granquet: FWIW, you should also be using aptitude |
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| 14:26.23 | granquet | abrotman: I'll look into it, I really don't use debian much :o |
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| 14:30.15 | dima202 | I have an old NEC CDR-3000A CD-ROM reader back from 1999... I am hesitent to throw it out because I believe it's ability to read scratched cd-roms is superior to modern drives.. Can someone here tell me that I am wrong and I should get rid of this old junk drive so I can part with it in peace and install a blue-ray in its place |
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| 14:30.28 | sechrist | How can I allow a non-root user to bind a low number port? |
| 14:30.39 | sechrist | without doing a redirect with iptables etc |
| 14:30.41 | acu | abrotman how do you start bandwithd? |
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| 14:30.52 | acu | petemc: how to you start and see iptotal ? |
| 14:31.08 | abrotman | acu: it's a website? |
| 14:31.15 | sechrist | dima202: you sound nutz lol |
| 14:31.17 | abrotman | it has documentation in /usr/share/bandwidthd/ |
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| 14:31.38 | abrotman | dima202: ##hardware ? |
| 14:31.44 | dima202 | yeah i went there instead |
| 14:31.48 | sechrist | dima202: if you need it -- put it in a usb box |
| 14:31.54 | abrotman | wtf |
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| 14:32.02 | sechrist | there's usb -> ide things |
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| 14:33.37 | dima202 | sechrist: yeah i'm going with external.. I don't know why but this drive was able to read cds that others could not |
| 14:33.38 | tsar | Hello everyone. Got a problem in Squeeze with XFCE (in Lenny it was okay). .doc files are recognized as "text/plain". Tried to edit /usr/share/mime/text/plain.xml and remove <glob pattern="*.doc"/> , but everything goes back when I do "update-mime-database /usr/share/mime". How can I make my system see the difference between .doc and plaintext? |
| 14:34.00 | sechrist | dima202: invest in a cd buffer -- not a drive :) |
| 14:34.12 | jelly | dima202: either that or get an IDE controller to have somewhere to connect it to |
| 14:34.19 | jordanm | tsar: open thunar -> right click the .doc -> open with -> checkbox "always open with" |
| 14:34.40 | jelly | (assuming it's an IDE device, not something even more quaint like a scsi Plextor) |
| 14:34.42 | jordanm | tsar: oh, I see, let me test that |
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| 14:35.43 | tsar | jordanm, that would be too easy. It recognizes .doc as "text/plain". So if I choose Openoffice for .doc, it will try to open plaintext files too. If I choose gedit for opening plaintext files, it will try to open .doc. |
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| 14:35.56 | SockPupMex- | is there a debian offtopic? |
| 14:36.02 | jelly | !offtopic |
| 14:36.03 | dpkg | A little off-topic conversation is okay here and there, but not too much, and not when the channel's busy, and not if it's your primary reason for being here. Please join #debian-offtopic |
| 14:36.03 | sechrist | so yeah -- is it possible to allow a non-root user to bind low ports? |
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| 14:36.14 | SockPupMex- | !offtopic |
| 14:36.14 | dpkg | A little off-topic conversation is okay here and there, but not too much, and not when the channel's busy, and not if it's your primary reason for being here. Please join #debian-offtopic |
| 14:36.18 | SockPupMex- | thanks |
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| 14:36.41 | soczol | hello, I was wondering if there's a way to re-install a (running) remote debian system, without access to a keyboard and with PXE boot disabled in the BIOS? |
| 14:37.04 | soczol | that is, keyboard on the actual machine ;) |
| 14:37.09 | sechrist | you want to do magic? |
| 14:37.14 | soczol | please! |
| 14:37.14 | soczol | :D |
| 14:37.38 | sechrist | is it a dedicated server or something? |
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| 14:37.41 | soczol | kinda figured there was no way, but was hoping there was some way I could load the debian installer from the already live system |
| 14:37.50 | soczol | it's a colocated server |
| 14:38.06 | sechrist | do you have physical access or not? |
| 14:38.16 | sechrist | if not -- they should be able to attach a kvm/ip if they're a decent dc |
| 14:38.19 | acu | OK so how can I connect to another computer with ssh and xterm? - let's say I want to start ekiga what should I do ? |
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| 14:38.34 | petemc | soczol: can you not just fix whatever is wrong without reinstalling? |
| 14:38.50 | jordanm | tsar: I am not sure what you have done... I have a literally fresh squeeze install I have for xfce testing and that functionality works as expected |
| 14:38.53 | soczol | petemc: the box has been trojaned, so i'd rather just reinstall |
| 14:38.57 | petemc | oh |
| 14:39.04 | petemc | you're probably right |
| 14:39.05 | jordanm | tsar: it reconises the .doc as "word document" |
| 14:39.08 | dalias | :) |
| 14:39.32 | soczol | and, i do have a KVM, but for some reason the 'K' part is not working - apparently this server doesn't have USB enabled, I never bothered to check |
| 14:39.46 | soczol | I can access the server, but that requires traveling for a few hours |
| 14:40.32 | soczol | but apparently that's the only logical thing to do :/ |
| 14:40.37 | tsar | jordanm, oh, my Squeeze isn't fresh%) It is 2 years old - Lenny upgraded to Squeeze, downgraded back and then upgraded to Squeeze again. But I dont remember whether did the problem start with the last upgrade to Squeeze or later. |
| 14:41.22 | tsar | Is there any idea how can I add the "word document" for .doc in my mimetypes? |
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| 14:45.27 | jordanm | tsar: I am guessing its the richtext.xml, do you have that file? |
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| 14:46.24 | tsar | jordanm, yes, I do. |
| 14:47.22 | tsar | It has only <glob pattern="*.rtx"/> in the bottom in my case. Should I add <glob pattern="*.doc"/> there (and delete it from plain.xml)? |
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| 14:48.00 | jordanm | tsar: I am guessing it is generated from /usr/lib/mime/packages/openoffice.org-writer |
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| 14:48.25 | jordanm | tsar: are you using openoffice or abiword? |
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| 14:48.51 | tsar | jordanm, there is only openoffice.org.xml |
| 14:49.27 | tsar | jordanm, openoffice usually, ms word with wine sometimes. |
| 14:49.29 | jordanm | tsar: I do not have that one. is openoffice intended? do you have writer installed? |
| 14:49.40 | tsar | jordanm, yes, I |
| 14:49.50 | tsar | jordanm, yes, I've got openoffice with writer. |
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| 14:50.21 | tsar | Version is 3.2.0. |
| 14:50.29 | jordanm | tsar: well, that file is in the openoffice.org-writer package. let me see apt-cache policy openoffice.org-writer |
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| 14:51.35 | jordanm | tsar: perhaps its an issue with openoffice.org upgrades. attempt to purge and reinstall |
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| 14:53.10 | jordanm | tsar: version looks correct, proceed with attempted purge/reinstall |
| 14:53.31 | stranger | greetings |
| 14:53.53 | tsar | jordanm, should I purge all the openoffice packages? Or is apt-get purge openoffice.org-writer enough? |
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| 14:54.19 | jordanm | tsar: use aptitude, but that should be enough |
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| 14:55.31 | lgeesfstj | does anyone in here use svnsubversion ? |
| 14:56.00 | rvsjoen | svnsubversion ? is that different from subversion ? |
| 14:56.12 | lgeesfstj | no it's probably the same |
| 14:56.25 | jelly | rvsjoen: double the features, double the fun, double the redundancy |
| 14:56.29 | jordanm | lgeesfstj: the people at #subversion surely do |
| 14:56.30 | rvsjoen | oh goodie |
| 14:56.40 | rvsjoen | storing subversion repositories in svn |
| 14:56.42 | lgeesfstj | thanks will look into that channel |
| 14:56.44 | rvsjoen | sounds like fun |
| 14:57.06 | stranger | I am still having the same problem with vlc. I used to be able to play almost any video I through on it, but after a recent apt-upgrade, -I am not sure if this is the cause-, vlc keeps complaining about codecs not supported with all wmv, and avi files. mplayer can still play these videos. w32codecs, ffmpeg and libdvdcss2 are installed. |
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| 14:57.49 | stranger | since vlc is installed from dmm I purged it, removed dmm from sources, updated and reinstalled it. nothing changed |
| 14:58.32 | jordanm | stranger: did you already post on the debian-users list? |
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| 14:59.21 | jordanm | stranger: http://lists.debian.org/AANLkTilNeHFLEyfBGzWcyb070JfHh2twd0dVz_nIvCeO@mail.gmail.com |
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| 14:59.39 | stranger | jordanm, no. I only frequent this channel for support, plus google :-) |
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| 15:01.15 | stranger | I am not sure if this is a bug/problem with squeeze which is ok for me as I can wait for it to be resolved, or a problem with my configuration which I hope I can fix |
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| 15:01.37 | gps23 | how do know if y debian linux kernel supports minix file system? |
| 15:01.45 | gps23 | how do know if my* debian linux kernel supports minix file system? |
| 15:02.15 | petemc | gps23: grep -i minix /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 15:02.22 | gps23 | petemc: thanks |
| 15:02.33 | petemc | np |
| 15:02.48 | jordanm | tsar: any luck with that? |
| 15:03.04 | tsar | jordanm, still removing openoffice. |
| 15:03.36 | stranger | gps23, I think cat /proc/filesystems would give you that, too |
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| 15:04.36 | gps23 | petemc: stranger the support for minix fs is there as a module. but still i am unable to mount a minix fs inside a vmware vmdk file using vmware-mount. it says it don |
| 15:04.47 | gps23 | ...don't recognize the fs |
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| 15:05.39 | petemc | gps23: i dont know much about vmware, sorry |
| 15:05.59 | stranger | gps23, me too |
| 15:06.24 | gps23 | petemc: stranger i think i should ask in #vmware, thanks anyway :) |
| 15:08.06 | bivo | nobody is seeding the 5.0.4 PPC dvd? |
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| 15:09.12 | stranger | jordanm, the reply from the list says: "the only thing I could do to fix it was to disable the dm repo, purge vlc, and reinstall from just debian main. " .. I had done this before but nothing changed |
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| 15:11.14 | jordanm | stranger: I would keep an eye on it, its all from today |
| 15:12.05 | stranger | jordanm, thank, I will do that. |
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| 15:15.50 | SP33D | does any one know a issu with the net install cd in a vm? |
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| 15:16.32 | SP33D | I Tryed Installing deb from the net iso it starts as it should i set lang and so on then it comes to check HDD and there it stops at 47% |
| 15:16.39 | SP33D | in VMware and in Virtual PC |
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| 15:18.07 | tsar | jordanm, all the same. |
| 15:18.21 | jordanm | SP33D: there is debugging information on the other TTYs |
| 15:18.30 | jordanm | tsar: did it install the file as expected? |
| 15:18.32 | SP33D | oh how can i change that |
| 15:18.38 | SP33D | what are the key short cuts |
| 15:18.44 | tsar | jordanm, no, it didn't. |
| 15:18.46 | jordanm | SP33D: ctrl+alt+f1-5 |
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| 15:19.07 | jordanm | tsar: were there any errors about diversion during the install? |
| 15:19.40 | tsar | jordanm, I installed with synaptic. Didn't see any. |
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| 15:20.11 | jordanm | tsar: its best if you use the command line for troubleshooting as it often gives better information output |
| 15:20.34 | jordanm | tsar: dpkg -L openoffice.org-writer | grep mime |
| 15:20.34 | SP33D | and if control alt f1 |
| 15:20.36 | SP33D | dnt works |
| 15:20.37 | SP33D | ? |
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| 15:20.41 | SP33D | what can i do then |
| 15:20.48 | jordanm | SP33D: f1 is the one the installer runs on, try another |
| 15:20.59 | SP33D | i did all till f5 |
| 15:20.59 | Empis | wine: '/var/www' is not owned by you, refusing to create a configuration directory there how do i fix this? im trying to run a script via Apache in PHP with WINE |
| 15:21.01 | SP33D | no reaction |
| 15:21.05 | jordanm | !tell SP33D about enter |
| 15:21.18 | jordanm | SP33D: then I only assume the VM is not capturing the keys |
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| 15:21.36 | SP33D | oh i assum it is |
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| 15:21.43 | SP33D | i turned it exclusiv fullscreen |
| 15:21.44 | SP33D | :D |
| 15:21.48 | lepine | when, and how is /etc/cron.daily run? |
| 15:22.18 | SP33D | to make 100% sure that it gets keys and win hotkeys dont work so its clear it simply stops complet |
| 15:22.18 | Empis | lepine: check /etc/crontab |
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| 15:22.45 | lepine | Empis: bingo, thank you |
| 15:22.58 | Empis | np, u can modify the time/days there :) |
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| 15:23.15 | lepine | So that explains why my mysql binlogs area always dated as of 6:25 AM |
| 15:23.24 | Empis | hehe |
| 15:23.39 | lepine | Had me scratching my head, and questioning my basic knowledge of timezones vs GMT and UTC :) |
| 15:23.50 | Empis | :P |
| 15:24.08 | jordanm | tsar: does that show the file? |
| 15:24.13 | Empis | wine: '/var/www' is not owned by you, refusing to create a configuration directory there how do i fix this? im trying to run a script via Apache in PHP with WINE |
| 15:24.27 | tsar | jordanm, still there is no such file. |
| 15:24.49 | jordanm | tsar: but did that last command output the filename? |
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| 15:25.21 | jordanm | Empis: call wine with a user who owns /var/www? whatever this is sounds like its bad... and I almost didn't want to comment |
| 15:25.29 | jordanm | tsar: oh, didn't see the PM |
| 15:25.35 | tsar | jordanm, oh. I see my mistake. I was looking in /usr/share/mime/packages, and it is in /usr/lib/mime/packages. |
| 15:25.50 | jordanm | tsar: so the file is there? |
| 15:26.10 | SP33D | the hot keys control alt + f1 till f5 dont work |
| 15:26.11 | tsar | jordanm, yes, a plain text document /usr/lib/mime/packages/openoffice.org-writer |
| 15:26.13 | SP33D | in both vms |
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| 15:28.06 | tsar | jordanm, it says about /usr/share/mime/application/msword.xml |
| 15:29.17 | tsar | jordanm, I guess, the msword.xml should be the key. |
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| 15:30.38 | tsar | jordanm, it has the line <alias type="application/vnd.ms-word"/> (naming itself application/vnd.ms-word , as I understand), but it doesn't name itself application/msword , which is what openoffice requires. |
| 15:31.20 | tsar | But then, why doesn't it get recognized as application/vnd.ms-word, only as text/plain? I have no idea. |
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| 15:31.39 | GaneDolares | Gane Dólares, www.trabajoencasa.es.gd |
| 15:31.41 | jordanm | tsar: yeah, I am not sure either... I would suggest the debian-users mailing list |
| 15:32.40 | tsar | jordanm, well, thank you for help. I am not sure whether I will surrender or try on. |
| 15:33.01 | jordanm | tsar: won't hurt to make a post to the list and see |
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| 15:34.10 | abrotman | GaneDolares: please spam somewhere else |
| 15:34.18 | tsar | jordanm, I guess you are right, but that won't be today, definitely. Maybe some other day, when I decide to fix something in my system again. |
| 15:34.19 | Empis | what program u recomment to compile a *.c file? |
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| 15:34.49 | abrotman | Empis: gcc ? |
| 15:34.53 | jordanm | gcc... |
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| 15:35.22 | Empis | does it comes with Debian or have i to install it? |
| 15:35.30 | Empis | nvm |
| 15:35.36 | abrotman | Empis: aptitude install build-essential |
| 15:35.39 | GaneDolares | Gane Dólares, www.trabajoencasa.es.gd |
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| 15:38.18 | stranger | when system becomes so slow, how can I tell which process is zombie and needs to be killed? |
| 15:38.43 | Empis | how do i use a .c file? |
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| 15:39.00 | Empis | it's sourcecode |
| 15:39.17 | king313 | Hi, any idea of how to record the master sound output? |
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| 15:39.31 | king313 | is using alsa |
| 15:39.38 | jordanm | Empis: how did you go from asking how to compile to not knowing you need to compile it in 5min? |
| 15:39.53 | Empis | gcc didnt work |
| 15:40.00 | jordanm | !doesn't work |
| 15:40.00 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>. |
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| 15:40.20 | petemc | stranger: top, ps |
| 15:40.29 | Empis | haha |
| 15:40.32 | jordanm | htop for a better view |
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| 15:40.56 | lgeesfstj | it has happened to me sometime now, when I try to install something with aptitude it prompts that it want's to delete let say 5 packages and when I does the same operation but with apt-get it doesn't promt me for uninstalling those packages |
| 15:41.05 | kstt | hello heros |
| 15:41.30 | jordanm | lgeesfstj: those packages are marked as "automatically installed" and aptitude doesn't think you need them anymore |
| 15:41.45 | jordanm | lgeesfstj: use aptitude keep-all or aptitude unmarkauto if you would like to keep them |
| 15:42.20 | lgeesfstj | what do you mean with automatically installed? |
| 15:42.59 | jordanm | lgeesfstj: it means you typed, say, aptitude install gnome-desktop-environment. everything except for gnome-desktop-enviornment that is installed from that action is "automatic" |
| 15:43.10 | jordanm | lgeesfstj: you didn't specifically tell aptitude to install foo |
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| 15:44.16 | kstt | Anyone here suffering from strange behaviour since last update of nscd package please ? Here I have some random app crashes do to forbidden access to log files. |
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| 15:44.29 | jordanm | lgeesfstj: aptitude search ~i~M will give you a list of automatically installed packages |
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| 15:45.32 | jordanm | kstt: was it a lenny security update? |
| 15:45.44 | kstt | Jordanm, yes it was. |
| 15:46.37 | lgeesfstj | okej and those automaticcaly isntalled packages why were they istalled? |
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| 15:47.19 | jordanm | lgeesfstj: because another package you install either depended on or recommended them |
| 15:48.05 | lgeesfstj | okej so if aptitude wants to remove packages it's a save operation to proceed? |
| 15:48.24 | kstt | aure233: are you by any chance the current maintainer of nscd please ? |
| 15:48.24 | jordanm | lgeesfstj: yes, unless you know you want to keep it |
| 15:48.50 | lgeesfstj | I guess those packages were only used for installing other packages |
| 15:49.15 | jordanm | kstt: why did you ask that random person? |
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| 15:49.29 | lgeesfstj | okej thanks for the help |
| 15:49.29 | jordanm | its maintained by a team |
| 15:50.01 | kstt | It isn't totally random. |
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| 15:50.51 | lgeesfstj | another question lets say if I typed aptitude install gnome and I got some automatic packages with it and later if I install something else with aptitude and it would like to delete some automatic packages! |
| 15:50.53 | kstt | Aurelien, who's nick is sometime 'aurel32', made the two last patches |
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| 15:51.15 | lgeesfstj | could removing some of them resulting in a broken gnome on my desktop? |
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| 15:51.58 | jordanm | lgeesfstj: that is usually the case when you have removed the meta-package, which sometimes is automatic when you remove a package that was pulled in by the meta |
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| 15:52.09 | jordanm | lgeesfstj: most of the time in that case, you want aptitude keep-all |
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| 15:52.52 | crazyfrog | closedir() attempted on invalid dirhandle DIR at /usr/bin/apt-mirror line 528 |
| 15:53.01 | jordanm | kstt: what are you logs actually saying? |
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| 15:53.55 | crazyfrog | When I execute apt-mirror I have a lot of error like: |
| 15:54.12 | crazyfrog | closedir() attempted on invalid dirhandle DIR at /usr/bin/apt-mirror line 528 |
| 15:54.39 | crazyfrog | It is an error?how to fix it? |
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| 15:55.00 | lgeesfstj | ok but that meta-packeg itself is not considered a automatic package? |
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| 15:55.46 | jordanm | lgeesfstj: nope, because you grab it specifically, and nothing will depend on a meta |
| 15:56.24 | jordanm | crazyfrog: what version of apt-mirror? what version of debian? what command are you giving exactly? |
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| 15:57.39 | lgeesfstj | one last wuestion where is those meta packages located for let say gnome? |
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| 15:58.20 | jordanm | lgeesfstj: what do you mean "located"? |
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| 15:59.10 | jordanm | lgeesfstj: apt-file list gnome-desktop-environment will show the files that the meta itself contain (which is essentially nothing) |
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| 15:59.53 | crazyfrog | When I execute apt-mirror I have a lot of error like: |
| 15:59.57 | crazyfrog | closedir() attempted on invalid dirhandle DIR at /usr/bin/apt-mirror line 528 |
| 16:00.00 | crazyfrog | It is an error?how to fix it? |
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| 16:00.21 | jordanm | crazyfrog: why ignore me and ask the same thing for the 3rd time? |
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| 16:05.12 | armones | hi all; I have a very crappy net connection, which disconnects frequently, and kills pppd tunnels. Back in the dial-up age, I remember there was a package named something like autopppd, which automatically redialed when the modem connection died. How can I instruct pppd to try again and again to reconnect when my DSL drops? "persist" in the peer config file isn't good |
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| 16:05.38 | frikinz_ | read line 528? |
| 16:06.08 | SammyTheSnake | newbie / possibly not newbie rsync question! I have a backup system that makes a ~30GB .tar archive every day of data that *mostly* stays exactly the same. If I use rsync to get the new version each day, how well will rsync do transferring only the changed files within the archive? Will increasing the size of a file at the beginning of the archive (for example) confuse it? |
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| 16:07.33 | jordanm | SammyTheSnake: tar can do incremental backups |
| 16:08.03 | jordanm | SammyTheSnake: however, if there is little changes you can likely achieve *many* more archives on a limitted space using rsync and hard-linking |
| 16:08.47 | SammyTheSnake | jordanm: this is for transferring a backup to a remote system, without transferring the full ~30GB each time (the bandwidth costs would bankrupt us!) |
| 16:09.00 | lera_zed | SammyTheSnake: you should read about data deduplication software - usually on tasks such as backup's etc with small delta of changes - it beats archivers/rsync/whatever by power of 100 and more |
| 16:09.04 | jordanm | SammyTheSnake: right, thats exactly was rsync does |
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| 16:09.16 | jordanm | SammyTheSnake: well, not just that, exactly what "incremental" does |
| 16:09.42 | SammyTheSnake | jordanm: is tar's "incremental" feature relevant here? |
| 16:09.49 | crazyfrog | to jordanm: apt-mirror version 0.4.5-1,debian version lenny |
| 16:10.21 | SammyTheSnake | jordanm: the way it works at the moment is the tar is created every day (and a dated version saved) and I want to use rsync or something to keep an up to date copy of that "latest.tar" backup |
| 16:10.23 | jordanm | SammyTheSnake: I have never used it, only know that it exists |
| 16:10.35 | SammyTheSnake | jordanm: k |
| 16:10.55 | crazyfrog | to jordanm: when i run su - apt-mirror -c apt-mirror ,i get that error. |
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| 16:11.01 | flo` | hello |
| 16:11.04 | jordanm | SammyTheSnake: you are likely killing your space by making tar archives instead of hard-linking |
| 16:11.17 | SammyTheSnake | jordanm: true |
| 16:11.26 | SammyTheSnake | jordanm: saving space will be a future step, I think |
| 16:11.53 | SammyTheSnake | jordanm: at the moment having *a* backup is an improvement from when I inherited the ball of wax from the previous bod :-P |
| 16:11.58 | jordanm | SammyTheSnake: its much easier to implement a system properly then to fix it later |
| 16:12.08 | flo` | i've a "Philips Semiconductors SAA7131/SAA7133/SAA7135 Video Broadcast Decoder" DVB-T card for pcmcia here and i'd like to get it work with a custom kernel. however, i get the dmesg-message "xc2028 1-0061: Error: firmware xc3028-v27.fw not found." |
| 16:12.13 | flo` | where can i get that firmware from? |
| 16:12.20 | jordanm | I very often have to completely throw out old systems and methods and replace them.... |
| 16:12.23 | flo` | apt-file search showed no package :( |
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| 16:13.06 | SammyTheSnake | jordanm: only if taking time to do it properly first time doesn't leave your business in danger of being taken apart by an unfortunately aimed cosmic ray :( get a backup now, work out a way to replace the cludge with something beautiful later! |
| 16:13.08 | jordanm | SammyTheSnake: applications such as rsnapshot can handle the archiving and hard-linking for you |
| 16:13.49 | SammyTheSnake | jordanm: I'll look into that one, thanks :) |
| 16:15.13 | crazyfrog | jordanm:can you help me fix that problem? |
| 16:15.33 | jordanm | lera_zed: do you have an example of such software? |
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| 16:17.21 | lera_zed | jordanm: http://opendedup.org/ |
| 16:17.22 | lera_zed | sure |
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| 16:19.49 | jordanm | lera_zed: thank you |
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| 16:20.22 | karlpinc | SammyTheSnake: There's also dirvish. And if you want something that does both push and pull I can paste somewhere. |
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| 16:21.33 | jordanm | lera_zed: requires java 7? |
| 16:21.38 | flo` | how can i watch TV with debian -- given that i get my card working? |
| 16:21.44 | flo` | what are good programs for this? |
| 16:21.57 | jordanm | ,versions sun-java7-jdk |
| 16:21.59 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'sun-java7-jdk' was found. |
| 16:22.05 | karlpinc | lera_zed: rdiff (IIRC) has been doing "dedup" forever. But I don't like it because it's basically an incremental, which means hassle on restore. |
| 16:22.45 | lera_zed | karlpinc: I disagree, diffing is not deduplication |
| 16:22.49 | abrotman | jordanm: backuppc does it also |
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| 16:24.07 | jordanm | abrotman: the info page doesn't seem to mention deduplication |
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| 16:25.26 | abrotman | jordanm: aptitude show ? |
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| 16:26.02 | jordanm | abrotman: I see, wander why their webpage doesn't mention it |
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| 16:26.11 | jordanm | wonder |
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| 16:37.44 | MadBlack | hi |
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| 16:37.50 | MadBlack | know an easy way to remove gnome and all its dependencies? |
| 16:37.54 | Elirips | Hello. Is there some magic-command to tell aptitude to re-try the last dist-upgrade operation? I had a power-failure after everything was downloaded and it was installing... :( |
| 16:38.07 | Elirips | good-thing is that I can still boot into a console |
| 16:38.56 | MadBlack | -f install? |
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| 16:40.12 | jordanm | Elirips: aptitude install -f; but depending on the stage of the upgrade you may be looking at restoring a backup |
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| 16:41.15 | Elirips | jordanm, thanks. I've first run dpkg --configure -a |
| 16:41.19 | Elirips | now aptitude install -f |
| 16:41.46 | Elirips | seems to work, from the messages passing by it seems that QT is really broken, but I can re-install that again |
| 16:42.07 | Elirips | jordanm, hmm.. backup.. i only have backups of my $HOME, well, if it wont work quickly i'll just re-install |
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| 16:42.37 | Elirips | jordanm, thanks for your help - i think it might work out well :) |
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| 16:43.51 | Elirips | ldconfig is complaing about empty .so files.. that looks rather shitty |
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| 16:46.02 | karlpinc | lera_zed: I guess it depends on how you look at it. I've never found a hard definition of deduplication. Rsyncing with hard links is deduplication at the file level between backups, diffing between backups is likewise deduplicating. If you have to deduplicate files within a filesystem then your applications are badly designed. I suppose this is what is deduplication is "supposed" to mean, although nobody seems to say so. In which case I've not much us |
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| 16:47.33 | karlpinc | lera_zed: Thinking about it you're proably right, even though the term is bandied about loosely. |
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| 16:56.36 | sepult | why does havp segfault here ? |
| 16:57.08 | sepult | it's using mandatory locking on loop file |
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| 16:58.25 | mms_ | i have booted using gparted-live and it shows parititon /dev/sdb2 as lvm2. The resize/move is disabled. I read gparted-live supports lvm. |
| 16:58.55 | mms_ | I want to resize this partition. |
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| 17:02.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | and you think asking about gparted-live on #debian is a good idea? why? |
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| 17:02.52 | yaaar | howdy |
| 17:03.16 | yaaar | my software raid1 just went degraded according to my daily report. is there a quick way to just have it try to rebuild from the good disk? |
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| 17:04.06 | sepult | add a ignore_degraded to your kernel line to your raid module dm-mod or md-mod or some such |
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| 17:04.18 | sepult | there is an option for that if you really want |
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| 17:04.35 | sepult | it all is in the kernel docs |
| 17:04.45 | sepult | kernel source docs i mean |
| 17:05.04 | frostschutz | just readd the device - but you should check the smart status of the bad drive beforehand, no point in trying to sync to a drive that you know is bad |
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| 17:07.10 | sepult | if your root is not on a raid device by itself but boot hangs, then maybe blacklist dm-mod or md-mod first with a |
| 17:07.11 | sepult | recovery shell |
| 17:07.15 | sepult | then reboot |
| 17:07.19 | mms_ | i have booted using gparted-live and it shows parititon /dev/sdb2 as lvm2. The resize/move is disabled. I read gparted-live supports lvm. |
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| 17:07.26 | mms_ | I want to resize this partition. |
| 17:07.51 | mms_ | this is my / partition |
| 17:08.26 | sepult | there are two versions of lvm |
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| 17:09.43 | sepult | is /dev/sdb2 a logical driver first off ? |
| 17:09.47 | sepult | err drive |
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| 17:10.07 | mms_ | sepult: i dont know... |
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| 17:10.31 | sepult | there are pv show and lv show options to lvm |
| 17:10.54 | mms_ | sepult: garpted window is what I am at. you can direct me what you want from it. |
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| 17:11.22 | mms_ | any one experienced with gparted-live |
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| 17:12.26 | sepult | resize options go with filesystem features not ? |
| 17:12.29 | yaaar | frostschutz: ok, smartctl gives a pass, so i guess i'll try to readd the drive...am i supposed to be doing something like 'mdadm -I /dev/md0 /dev/sda1' for that? or should I be using -A instead? |
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| 17:14.10 | mms_ | sepult: what can I do ? I know file system resize but here what can I do ? |
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| 17:15.59 | sepult | use comand line options ? |
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| 17:16.12 | sepult | i mean commands |
| 17:16.12 | frostschutz | yaaar: mdadm /dev/md0 --add /dev/sda1 (if sda1 dropped out of md0 for some reason, but md0 is still active in degraded mode) |
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| 17:16.41 | manhunter | hi |
| 17:16.43 | sepult | like lvresize |
| 17:16.54 | sepult | from a shell |
| 17:17.07 | mms_ | pressure sensitivity is not working...it can move the cursor but tapping does not work as mouse clicks.... |
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| 17:17.25 | manhunter | can i download and burning it to cd , can i install debian http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 17:17.31 | manhunter | downloading from here ^ |
| 17:17.57 | topgun21 | is therev a way to replace Nautilus with pcmanfm indebain running the Gnome desktop environment |
| 17:18.32 | topgun21 | is therev a way to replace Nautilus with pcmanfm indebain running the Gnome desktop environment?] |
| 17:18.41 | manhunter | what is binary release iso? |
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| 17:18.54 | manhunter | can i install normally download iso from here:http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 17:19.04 | mms_ | funny it is...it says lvm is not yet supported.. |
| 17:19.50 | yaaar | frostschutz: sweet, it's rebuilding. thanks a bunch |
| 17:20.52 | mms_ | if I boot with debian-live the hdd is not getting recognized...is it due to it being under lvm...also it is listed in that by-id ... |
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| 17:23.18 | dbbolton | is there a way to see what an ext3 partitions current tune2fs options are? |
| 17:23.52 | jnewt | i can tell if noip2 is running with ps aux | grep noip2 |
| 17:24.07 | jnewt | how to tell the options it is running with? |
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| 17:24.24 | jnewt | whether it was started with -M option? |
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| 17:26.25 | karlpinc | mms_: You can install the lvm package after booting a debian-live cd. I find the rescue option of the install disks to be easier to work with. |
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| 17:26.51 | karlpinc | mms_: The rescue option automatically looks for and mounts your partitions. |
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| 17:29.59 | vaderr | how can I remove a pkg when doing "apt-get -f remove" results in fatal error? |
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| 17:31.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's an easy one, the answer is: depends |
| 17:31.23 | cga | hi all, what would i need to host a flash site with nginx? (i hate flash, but a friend need a quick move from its old hosting) |
| 17:31.32 | cga | on debian that is eh :P |
| 17:31.40 | abrotman | vaderr: put the whole thing in a pastebin |
| 17:31.47 | abrotman | cga: apache? |
| 17:32.01 | cga | hi abrotman nginx |
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| 17:32.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | what's thta got to do with anything? |
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| 17:32.55 | WormFood | is gthumb ever going to be fixed on squeeze, or they just going to remove it? It has been busted since last month! |
| 17:33.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | flash is just the content, they're files like anything else |
| 17:33.15 | mms_ | fdisk -l shows /dev/hda2 which is my root lvm volume...its not mounted....when I do resize2fs on it....bad magic number in super-block...could not find valid filesystem superblock... |
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| 17:33.26 | vaderr | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/dQSHzwyK |
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| 17:33.47 | karlpinc | mms_: You need to turn on lvm. Activate the volume. |
| 17:34.23 | mms_ | karlpinc: how ? |
| 17:34.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | duh... files list file for package `libjack0' is missing final newline |
| 17:34.49 | mms_ | karlpinc: I think standard debian-live does not have lvm support. |
| 17:35.02 | abrotman | vaderr: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 17:35.04 | karlpinc | mms_: Something along the lines of "vgchange -a y ..." |
| 17:35.18 | karlpinc | mms_: You need to install the lvm package. Did you read my message above? |
| 17:35.24 | abrotman | vaderr: actually .. dpkg -l libjack0 | tail -1 |
| 17:35.26 | vaderr | CutMeOwnThroat: lol |
| 17:35.56 | mms_ | karlpinc: this thing does not have lvm support....I actually tried to boot into single user mode ....did you suggest to me yesterday ? |
| 17:36.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | I wouldn't laugh about it in your case... looks decidedly unfunny to me |
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| 17:36.29 | karlpinc | mms_: Yes. Are you reading. You have to install the lvm package to get lvm support. |
| 17:36.53 | mms_ | karlpinc: in single user mode it did not mount ro. I was unable to umount it. |
| 17:37.00 | vaderr | abrotman: nothing is happening -.- |
| 17:37.09 | aalex_laptop | How long can it be before a bug report is acknoledged? Is there an anti-spam system that slows it down? |
| 17:37.15 | mms_ | karlpinc: device busy was the error. |
| 17:37.20 | mentor | WormFood: What does the bug report on it say? |
| 17:37.22 | abrotman | vaderr: "dpkg -l libjack0 | tail -1" .. shows nothing ? |
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| 17:37.35 | vaderr | abrotman: blinking cursor |
| 17:37.38 | WormFood | which bug report mentor? There is like 20 of them |
| 17:37.45 | karlpinc | mms_: You need to remount it read-only, not unmount it. |
| 17:37.52 | mentor | WormFood: Any of them? |
| 17:37.55 | abrotman | vaderr: are you copying what i typed or typing it in ? |
| 17:38.01 | vaderr | abrotman: got it |
| 17:38.12 | mms_ | karlpinc: I mean I did that command you gave mount -o remount,ro / |
| 17:38.29 | mms_ | karlpinc: it did not really work I guess.... |
| 17:38.34 | abrotman | and ? |
| 17:38.46 | vaderr | abrotman: currently frozen so i can't c&p but it says failed in buffer read.. IO error |
| 17:39.03 | abrotman | with dpkg -l ? |
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| 17:39.19 | mms_ | karlpinc: what do you mean my install lvm package and how ? you mean in debian-live ? |
| 17:39.20 | karlpinc | mms_: Hard to say. I don't believe I've ever had that problem. But it's always safer to boot off other media. |
| 17:39.28 | vaderr | abrotman: i must mention I had to continuously repair this ext2 partition to get it working again. tons of corruption -.- |
| 17:39.46 | karlpinc | mms_: Yes. In debian-live. The same way you install something in any running debian system. Aptitude or whatever. |
| 17:40.20 | mms_ | karlpinc: I know only basic lh clean, config, build. |
| 17:40.57 | mms_ | karlpinc: you mean in the chroot area I need to do this ? otherwise in the lenny I already have lvm. |
| 17:41.10 | karlpinc | mms_: However, I'm not going to be able to talk you through turning on lvm. You're probably better off using rescue mode of an install cd. |
| 17:41.22 | WormFood | mentor, does not really say much about the problem, or how to fix it, or when it will be fixed. |
| 17:41.28 | karlpinc | mms_: Installing something on a running debian-live has nothing to do with lh. |
| 17:42.00 | mms_ | karlpinc: oh you mean I can do aptitude install lvm in debian-live session ? |
| 17:42.01 | abrotman | vaderr: i'd probably just back up what is important and redo it .. |
| 17:42.05 | karlpinc | mms_: No, not chrooted. The whole point of using a cd is so that you never mount the fs you're messing with. |
| 17:42.11 | karlpinc | mms_: Yes. |
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| 17:42.21 | mms_ | ok doing so. then... |
| 17:42.24 | karlpinc | mms_: Of course it goes away after reboot. |
| 17:42.25 | mms_ | cool...I did not know that... |
| 17:42.43 | mms_ | I am installing lvm2 ....its done installing... |
| 17:42.44 | vaderr | abrotman: yeah. but I was hoping maybe just reinstall libs would fix it |
| 17:42.47 | mms_ | now ? |
| 17:42.55 | mms_ | that vgchange ? |
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| 17:43.11 | mms_ | oh yes now lvm is there |
| 17:43.13 | karlpinc | mms_: Now I gotta go. You can mess around with vgchange per above or get more help here. |
| 17:43.25 | mms_ | vgchange too... |
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| 17:45.23 | mms_ | karlpinc: I activated it... |
| 17:45.53 | mms_ | but now it says on doing resize....resource busy... |
| 17:46.14 | mms_ | karlpinc: but now it says on doing resize....resource busy... |
| 17:46.16 | WormFood | sooo....does anyone know what the deal is with gthumb on squeeze? it has been busted for over a month now. Is this going to get updated sometime soon? The bug tracker is not saying much. |
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| 17:46.56 | mms_ | karlpinc: why is says resource busy... |
| 17:49.07 | abrotman | vaderr: well, you can try that (/msg dpkg reinstall) |
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| 17:52.44 | jack_guru | hello! i am using an hp hdx16 with debian and suspending is not working. i read that the only way i can fix this is by updating the BIOS version. The problem is that there is only an .exe file to do that. Anyone knows how to do that maybe with freeDOS or something? Thank you! |
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| 17:53.18 | mms_ | karlpinc: cool...now its resizing....I did e2fsck |
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| 17:53.38 | mms_ | hope now it goes all as expected... |
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| 17:54.15 | WormFood | jack_guru, there are several different ways to update the bios, depending on your motherboard. Many modern motherboards have a bios update feature built into the bios. Most likely your .exe is just a self-extracting .zip or .rar format file, but it may be an installer. Most likely that will give you a bios flasher (for DOS), and the bios file |
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| 17:55.56 | WormFood | jack_guru, sadly, you'll probably want to make a bootable usb memory stick with dos (or freedos), so you can flash your bios (check your motherboard manual)....some motherboards also have a bios recover jumper (intel I know of, but probably others), where you just have to put the file on a FAT formatted usb memory stick, and it will update automatically) |
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| 17:57.50 | jack_guru | WormFood, well it is just a single .exe so it should be an installer. The good new is that the laptop has an Intel processor, so is there any chance it will auto-install it from a flash drive? even without freeDOS? |
| 17:58.47 | WormFood | perhaps. If it will do it, you'll probably have a menu item in the bios, or perhaps you can hit a key on boot up, to flash it. It all depends on your bios, and if it supports that feature or not |
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| 18:00.15 | jack_guru | ok thank you! i ll give it a try! |
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| 18:04.56 | WormFood | what is the status of gthumb on squeeze? when will this be fixed? |
| 18:06.18 | jordanm | WormFood: BTS |
| 18:06.28 | WormFood | that does not help jordanm |
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| 18:06.35 | WormFood | what do you want me to see there? |
| 18:06.39 | WormFood | give me a url |
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| 18:07.00 | WormFood | maybe I'm overlooking something, but I've checked the BTS, and it tells me nothing! |
| 18:07.23 | mms_ | karlpinc: how to know lvreduce what size ? |
| 18:07.25 | jordanm | WormFood: you don't see the issue you are having on the BTS? |
| 18:07.41 | mms_ | karpinc: what size to pass in to lvreduce command now ....resize is done... |
| 18:07.59 | WormFood | jordanm, you're not helping...saying "BTS" is less than helpful |
| 18:08.00 | mms_ | karlpinc: I have resized to 9G.... |
| 18:08.43 | jordanm | WormFood: check the BTS for your issue, if you don't see it, file a bug report |
| 18:08.47 | petemc | WormFood: pointing someone to the BTS is a perfectly reasonable answer to a question such as "when is X due to be fixed" |
| 18:08.58 | jordanm | WormFood: if a fix is being worked on and you want to know the status, email the maintainer |
| 18:09.07 | jordanm | WormFood: I did not even see you mention what the issue was |
| 18:09.16 | WormFood | it has been broken for over a month now |
| 18:09.21 | WormFood | it seg faults |
| 18:09.32 | WormFood | you run it, it seg faults |
| 18:09.40 | mms_ | ok I have now lvreduced it.. |
| 18:09.46 | jordanm | WormFood: whats the bug #? |
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| 18:10.00 | mms_ | now I need to check free space so I can create new parititon... |
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| 18:11.10 | jordanm | mms_: vgdisplay |
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| 18:12.11 | mms_ | jordanm: I am rebooting now into lenny and will do new partition create from within it now...I guess it will let me... |
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| 18:12.30 | mms_ | jordanm: I would use fdisk for it... |
| 18:13.07 | jordanm | mms_: i thought we were talking about lvm? |
| 18:13.34 | jordanm | fdisk could only be used for creating a pv, not a lv |
| 18:13.57 | mms_ | jordanm: I am done with lvm now...I have resized etc. |
| 18:14.10 | mms_ | jordanm: now I would create partition ... |
| 18:15.32 | mms_ | jordanm: I have done lvreduce ....now what should be next step ? |
| 18:15.44 | mms_ | jordanm: pvreduce ? |
| 18:16.20 | mms_ | I dont think there is any pvreduce... |
| 18:16.28 | mms_ | I guess next is to create new partition.. |
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| 18:16.58 | jordanm | mms_: why are you even bothering with partitions when you use lvm? |
| 18:17.07 | jordanm | mms_: create a new logical volume |
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| 18:17.42 | mms_ | jordanm: well I actually want to install win7 on it... |
| 18:17.55 | jordanm | mms_: not supported by me... |
| 18:17.55 | WormFood | mms_, NASTY! |
| 18:18.03 | mms_ | jordanm: I have about 5G left... |
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| 18:18.25 | WormFood | you can't install Winblows 7 in 5G |
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| 18:19.13 | WormFood | I just installed Winblows 7 on a 10 gig drive (for the hell of it), and it had about 125 meg of free space afterwards |
| 18:19.48 | Birdy23234 | Can someone please explain to me what "LVM" is? (something about partitioning method) and encrypted? |
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| 18:20.16 | jordanm | Birdy23234: lvm is not an encyption method, though a logical volume can be encrypted like a partition |
| 18:20.19 | jordanm | !lvm |
| 18:20.19 | dpkg | methinks lvm is the Linux Logical Volume Manager (http://sources.redhat.com/lvm2/). Resources: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/, http://dev.riseup.net/grimoire/storage/lvm2/, <lvm_tutorial>, <lvm removedisk>, <lvm movelv>, <install using lvm>, http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/410, http://sources.redhat.com/lvm2/wiki/ IRC: #lvm on irc.freenode.net. |
| 18:20.20 | Birdy23234 | I would like to know the "ups and downs" for such options. |
| 18:20.34 | WormFood | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logical_Volume_Manager_%28Linux%29 |
| 18:21.12 | jordanm | Birdy23234: think of it as the same as logical partitions, only with more features (such as the ability to resize "live" and snapshotting) |
| 18:21.20 | mms_ | oh well then I will install XP |
| 18:21.41 | mms_ | I see win 7 needs 16 GB :-) |
| 18:21.46 | jordanm | mms_: why didn't you just virtualize windows? is this for gaming? |
| 18:21.47 | Birdy23234 | Alrighties. What about that encrypted thing? |
| 18:22.13 | jordanm | Birdy23234: encryption is unrelated and functions no differently than encrypting a real partition |
| 18:22.16 | jordanm | !luks |
| 18:22.16 | dpkg | LUKS: Linux Unified Key Setup, a disk encryption specification with a platform-independent format. For more information, see http://code.google.com/p/cryptsetup/ , http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/469 and google 'LUKS Debian'. To access on win32 platforms, see http://freeotfe.org/ and ask me about <ext2fsd>. |
| 18:23.18 | Birdy23234 | Thanks. |
| 18:24.28 | jordanm | Birdy23234: oh, and as far as downsides, its about the same downsides as RAID0... you have 2 PV's in your volume group, loss of one drive can often mean the loss of data on both driver |
| 18:24.33 | jordanm | s/driver/drives/ |
| 18:24.48 | Da_Wrecka | On an unrelated note; Does anyone know where I, living in the UK, could get a 1.8" hard disk? Besides Ebay, I mean. I'm looking to replace the piss-poor SSD in my AA1. |
| 18:24.51 | frostschutz | Birdy23234: ups: if you use it correctly, no problems with creating/resizing partitions anymore (you don't have to move other partitions to make room for yours). downs: negligible overhead |
| 18:25.19 | jordanm | Da_Wrecka: ##hardware |
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| 18:25.28 | Da_Wrecka | noted |
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| 18:28.24 | dv- | With the upgrade to 2.6.32-5, when I rebuild the nvidia module and try to start X, I get "kernel modesetting in use, refusing to load". What's up with that? |
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| 18:29.33 | jordanm | dv-: I believe that means you need to blacklist noveou |
| 18:29.40 | jordanm | I recall it needing to be done via boot arguement |
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| 18:30.20 | mms_ | so I guess I need to do fdsik a new partition /dev/hd3 |
| 18:30.36 | mms_ | am i thinking right ? |
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| 18:30.49 | dbbolton | h/quit |
| 18:31.02 | mms_ | jordanm: I guess I should fdisk new partition now...right ? |
| 18:31.28 | mms_ | jordanm: or may be windows will figure out that there is space left and will consume it ? |
| 18:31.41 | dv- | jordanm: I'll try that, thanks |
| 18:31.54 | jordanm | mms_: you moved into not supported by me territory... |
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| 18:34.21 | mguy | Da_Wrecka: They're very hard to find, good luck. |
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| 18:36.21 | Da_Wrecka | mguy: Thanks :/ |
| 18:36.30 | Da_Wrecka | I've got two... Unfortunately neither one works. |
| 18:37.10 | Da_Wrecka | but then, I knew they were potentially-duff before I bought 'em... I took a chance anyway. "taken from broken iPods" said the description, if memory serves. |
| 18:37.23 | mms_ | jordanm: I guess whole /dev/hda is under vg. how to ensure that free space is not under vg any more... |
| 18:37.33 | Da_Wrecka | Maybe I should just see if I can get a cheap Zen Touch on Ebay, and gut it. |
| 18:37.54 | jordanm | mms_: no, that isn't how it works |
| 18:38.04 | frostschutz | mms_: shrinking pvs is not easy, unless you have another pv you can move stuff off to with pvmove |
| 18:38.11 | jordanm | mms_: partitions are physical volumes, you can not make an entire disk a pv |
| 18:38.13 | Birdy23234 | Can I have an example of a point of encypting my partition? |
| 18:38.22 | frostschutz | jordanm: course you can |
| 18:38.47 | jordanm | Birdy23234: you have sensitive data in /home that you don't want anyone to access even in the event that the hard disk is stolen |
| 18:38.59 | mms_ | jordanm: vgdisplay shows whole 16G under it.... |
| 18:39.01 | bivo | why is the download mirror so slow? going between 5-70Kbps for the current ppc dvd .iso |
| 18:39.14 | jordanm | frostschutz: I was not aware, but if that was so in his case, his machine would not boot |
| 18:39.29 | frostschutz | maybe so, I'm not clear about his setup at all :) |
| 18:39.29 | mms_ | jordanm: I want ensure that its not managing 5 G which I want to keep aside... |
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| 18:40.21 | Birdy23234 | jordanm: Not really, I want to experiment and learn as much as I can about it. (Now that you mentioned "stolen", I guess "something stupid" will occur now that I'm removing my harddrive to stick it to another machine I have). |
| 18:41.01 | jordanm | Birdy23234: I wasn't saying that you had that scenerio, I thought you were asking for a scenerio where encryption is useful |
| 18:41.16 | mms_ | jordanm: I want ensure that its not managing 5 G which I want to keep aside... |
| 18:41.42 | frostschutz | mms_: try pvresize |
| 18:41.46 | jordanm | mms_: you could have saved a lot of headache if you just would have taken my advice of restoring a backup onto a new partition scheme |
| 18:41.50 | frostschutz | mms_: good luck with it, never used it for shrinking before :) |
| 18:42.05 | jordanm | this is day2 of working on this, no? |
| 18:42.28 | Birdy23234 | I get it now. Thanks though. Now I'm worried about what will happen if I put this harddrive on another compute.r |
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| 18:48.12 | mms_ | jordanm: it says PE are allocated.. |
| 18:48.53 | mms_ | so not resized.. |
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| 18:49.34 | mms_ | jordanm: it says PE are allocated.. |
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| 18:57.09 | lifestream | When in one linux, and chroot-ing to another one, shoulding the other one be able to connect to the internet using the internet connection on the one I'm in? <-- sorry, confusing, I know |
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| 18:58.02 | miten | jordanm: I am unable to resize since it says later ones are allocated. |
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| 18:59.44 | jordanm | lifestream: yes |
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| 19:00.02 | jordanm | lifestream: you likely need to mount proc inside the chroot (and maybe dev) |
| 19:00.09 | lifestream | Thank you jordanm |
| 19:01.28 | dkr | lifestream: it might be useful to mount /dev inside the dir you are going to chroot to e.g. mount -o bind /dev chrootdir/dev |
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| 19:03.12 | miten | jordanm: I guess would need to do pvmove....there is extents issue... |
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| 19:04.12 | lifestream | Arrgh, neither of those tricks worked ^^ |
| 19:05.09 | jordanm | lifestream: it does work |
| 19:05.23 | jordanm | lifestream: you might also want to copy /etc/resolv.conf from the host into the chroot |
| 19:05.52 | lifestream | jordanm, will it get updated / corrected when I do a real boot on that linux? |
| 19:06.01 | unkmar | help, I don't have network on my other laptop and I don't know why. I have an IP via DHCP the resolv.conf has the same namesevers |
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| 19:06.19 | MeglaW | can u ping google.com |
| 19:06.27 | lifestream | I can make a backup anyway, nevermind ^^ |
| 19:06.28 | jordanm | lifestream: depends on how you have it configured |
| 19:06.39 | unkmar | MeglaW: no :( |
| 19:06.48 | MeglaW | can you ping your router ip? |
| 19:07.24 | jordanm | lifestream: lots of things like to write to resolv.conf and "fix" it for you.... |
| 19:07.39 | lifestream | jordanm, dkr resolv.conf worked, thank you for your help :-) |
| 19:08.03 | lifestream | On to fixing video drivers ;-) |
| 19:08.29 | unkmar | when I attempte to ping I get, ping: sendmsg: Operation not permitted |
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| 19:19.06 | lenswipe | hey guys |
| 19:19.19 | lenswipe | how do i get debian to support RAW files? |
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| 19:19.54 | cahoot | dcraw? |
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| 19:20.45 | cahoot | lenswipe: aptitude search raw |
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| 19:26.50 | rking | Chr1831: Hrmm... without knowing anything at all about it I would try strace |
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| 19:29.08 | abrotman | Chr1831: put all the output in a pastebin |
| 19:30.23 | Chr1831 | http://pastebin.com/7TUBsBpR |
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| 19:33.17 | rking | Chr1831: And also the output of the `locale` command (at the command line) |
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| 19:48.50 | bolt | what the... no matter what I try to name my mdadm raid, it ends up as "md127". what gives? |
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| 19:51.24 | bolt | mdadm --assemble /dev/green /dev/sdb1 /dev/sdc1 /dev/sdd1 /dev/sde1 |
| 19:51.29 | bolt | mdadm: /dev/green is an invalid name for an md device. Try /dev/md/green |
| 19:51.56 | bolt | if I give it /dev/md/green, it names the raid "/dev/md127" and creates a silly symlink in /dev/md/green pointing to it |
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| 19:53.44 | Mikae | Hello all. |
| 19:53.48 | lhx | lol.... 42'' plasma as a monitor... my console is 315x87 lolz |
| 19:54.48 | Mikae | Where can I get the newest version of gdb? Especially with "Jan's PIE patches"? |
| 19:54.50 | frostschutz | bolt: did you initially create it as /dev/md127, then it stays that way |
| 19:55.11 | bolt | frostschutz: i've never used that name for it. and why would it stay? |
| 19:55.15 | Mikae | I get strange errors when trying to debug some software. |
| 19:55.24 | km | how can grep for mutli words beging with CC and CFLAGS |
| 19:55.36 | frostschutz | bolt: cause it's stored, so it uses the same device name always for auto assembly |
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| 19:55.43 | bolt | frostschutz: i see lots of people on google having problems with the md127 name. apparently it's some mdadm quirk. can't find a solution for it |
| 19:55.49 | bolt | frostschutz: where is it stored? |
| 19:56.15 | frostschutz | bolt: I also have /dev/md112, /dev/md113, ... |
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| 19:56.25 | frostschutz | bolt: in the raid metadata itself I suppose |
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| 19:56.26 | jordanm | km: grep '^CC' file.txt |
| 19:56.30 | bolt | frostschutz: also, i'm not auto assembling. i'm making a new array. |
| 19:56.49 | frostschutz | bolt: well if you're making a new array, you can just tell it to create /dev/md<yournumberofchoice> directly |
| 19:56.52 | rking | km: grep -e '^CC' -e CFLAGS file.txt |
| 19:56.54 | km | but that only one word |
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| 19:57.09 | bolt | frostschutz: like i said up there, i tried that. it makes md127 still, and a symlink to it. |
| 19:57.25 | rking | km: or you can do some kind of escaped "|" symbol... I can never remember how it works when it's not Perl-like regexps |
| 19:57.27 | bolt | frostschutz: on my other machine, i have /dev/md0. that's what i'm trying to make. md0 and md1. simple. why start at 127?! |
| 19:57.33 | km | grep '^CC | ^CFLAGS' will this work? |
| 19:57.58 | jordanm | km: the | (or) operator only works with extended grep |
| 19:58.19 | frostschutz | bolt: mdadm --create /dev/md0 --andsoonandsoforth creates /dev/md0 but that's create, not assemble |
| 19:58.19 | jordanm | km: egrep or grep -e |
| 19:58.35 | km | egrep words |
| 19:59.01 | km | but not grep -e |
| 19:59.04 | rking | grep '^\(CC\|CFLAGS\)' asdf |
| 19:59.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | and space^ doesn't make sense |
| 19:59.20 | rking | egrep '^(CC|CFLAGS)' asdf |
| 19:59.41 | rking | grep -e '^CC' -e '^CFLAGS' asdf |
| 19:59.45 | rking | All 3 of those are the same. |
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| 20:00.31 | frostschutz | bolt: if all else fails you can always change the number by taking the array offline, and re-creating it. however you have to really know what you're doing otherwise you end up losing all your data (if it re-assembles a raid 5 the wrong way for example) |
| 20:00.54 | bolt | frostschutz: i don't have any data on it yet. new drives |
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| 20:01.16 | km | thanks i got a couple working methods i needed |
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| 20:01.44 | frostschutz | bolt: then just supply the correct /dev/md<number> at the time you create it. unless you actually want it to be /dev/md/green then you should just use the silly symlink and not worry about the numbers ;) |
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| 20:03.20 | bolt | frostschutz: ah. my head must be off. i distinctly remember being able to name it /dev/green. apparently it must be md<number>. oh well. at least it's 0 now. thanks :) |
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| 20:06.28 | kr0ddnoMobil | ihr könnt nach Hause gehn, ihr könnt nach Hause gehn, ihr könnt ihr könnt, ihr könnt nach Hause gehn! |
| 20:07.31 | bolt | kr0ddnoMobil: ? |
| 20:07.43 | kr0ddnoMobil | sorry, Goal 2 against france :-) |
| 20:07.55 | bolt | german? |
| 20:08.08 | Bushmills | mexico |
| 20:08.10 | kr0ddnoMobil | No, Mexiko vs France 2:0 |
| 20:08.19 | bolt | ah |
| 20:08.25 | bolt | go texmex! |
| 20:08.52 | kr0ddnoMobil | go go go :) |
| 20:09.20 | bolt | frostschutz: hm.. how do I "save" it as md0? it became md127 again when i rebooted |
| 20:09.39 | bolt | frostschutz: the other machine has entries in mdadm.conf, but this one doesn't seem to make them. can i generate them somehow? |
| 20:10.28 | themill | kr0ddnoMobil: try #debian-offtopic. #debian is a football free zone. |
| 20:10.42 | frostschutz | bolt: hmmm, that's strange. I'm using kernel level auto assembly (root on raid), and that retains the numbers the raid was created with indefinitely. |
| 20:10.45 | bolt | frostschutz: oh. nevermind. google actually had an answer for that one |
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| 20:11.21 | frostschutz | bolt: if it's different for you then I don't know why, sorry :) |
| 20:12.04 | bolt | perhaps i need to wipe the info about it or something? |
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| 20:12.14 | bolt | like, when i create the array, it says the devices are already part of one |
| 20:12.28 | bolt | i go ahead anyway, but perhaps it's not overwritten properly? |
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| 20:15.13 | frostschutz | it should be (if it didn't overwrite, why would it warn you?) |
| 20:16.11 | frostschutz | I'll try this myself on my server tomorrow, kinda messed the array numbers up when I switched to LVM |
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| 20:18.49 | jerojasro | hi all. do you know of an application that checks a url and generates an rss update (or some kind of message) when the file the url points to changes? |
| 20:19.40 | bolt | frostschutz: i just overwrote the first one meg of each drive with zeroes. that might do it :) rebooting and checking |
| 20:20.23 | frostschutz | bolt: if you're using raid superblock >=1.0 yes, otherwise you have to overwrite the last meg of each raid partition cause the 0.9 superblock is at the end not at the beginning |
| 20:20.55 | Gokee2 | jerojasro, You could make the check for changes do something part real quick in a script. Not sure about rss feeds though, I have never played with them. |
| 20:21.04 | frostschutz | bolt: I'm using 0.9 since that's what the kernel autodetect supports |
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| 20:21.28 | Gokee2 | Something like wget the page and diff it with the last version |
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| 20:22.42 | r0nin | I like using mdadm more then lvm |
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| 20:23.46 | r0nin | I noticed I could mount the devices without having to reconfigur the array if I had to reinstall or was using a livecd for whatever reason |
| 20:23.51 | HackeMate | someone can give me a clue to use rhythmbox and iphone? i have followed many how-to but it doesnt works, i think i have all packages and added to the proper usergroup |
| 20:23.56 | r0nin | not sure you can with lvm |
| 20:24.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | HackeMate, lots... when you explain to us what that has to do with debian... |
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| 20:24.46 | HackeMate | all help is for ubuntu, and i am using debian, thats why i ask in debian |
| 20:24.54 | HackeMate | where should i ask? |
| 20:24.59 | bolt | i use lvm on top of mdadm... |
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| 20:25.31 | pingouin | try #apple maybe ;) |
| 20:25.33 | pingouin | sorry |
| 20:25.41 | HackeMate | ok |
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| 20:25.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | ah, I think he means ... transferring files to it? |
| 20:26.23 | HackeMate | no, sync the music to the iphone |
| 20:26.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's not transferring files? |
| 20:26.44 | HackeMate | i use sftp fot transfer, works fine, but the ipod included in iphone uses a strange structure |
| 20:27.05 | beardy | It uses some closed silly database, doesn't it. |
| 20:27.14 | HackeMate | yes |
| 20:27.21 | HackeMate | and changes the mp3 file names |
| 20:27.30 | HackeMate | and moves them to a F<number> directory |
| 20:27.46 | pingouin | cowon made great player, bette quality than iphone, able to read, flac and ogg, and easy to mount /mnt/cowon with any Gnu/Linux distro , by the way |
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| 20:29.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | so what is the problem? |
| 20:29.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | argh, I hate looking through ubuntuforums-pages |
| 20:30.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | too small signal/noise |
| 20:30.41 | jordanm | CutMeOwnThroat: but... thats where you can learn to do things such as edit files with big "do not edit this file" warnings at the top! |
| 20:30.48 | HackeMate | the problem is if you transfer your mp3 in a normal way, the music player doesn't recognize it properly and you only can find it manually |
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| 20:31.27 | HackeMate | thats not cool, heh |
| 20:31.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | I mean... like https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PortableDevices/iPhone /rhythmb ox -> loks straight-forward |
| 20:31.48 | HackeMate | yes i have read that webpage 4 times |
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| 20:32.17 | HackeMate | it fails at: After connecting the iPod, open Rhythmbox and click on your iPod name under Devices on the left panel. |
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| 20:32.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | there is no 'devices'? |
| 20:32.58 | HackeMate | exact |
| 20:33.03 | jordanm | CutMeOwnThroat: someone failed on wiki markup at one spot there |
| 20:33.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | smartly, the wiki page doesn't say what version of rhythmbox this is |
| 20:33.14 | jordanm | }}} just randomly setting on the page |
| 20:33.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | HackeMate, you're using stable? |
| 20:33.22 | HackeMate | yes i am |
| 20:33.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions rhythmbox |
| 20:33.25 | judd | rhythmbox -- etch: 0.9.6-8; lenny: 0.11.6-1; sid: 0.12.8-1+b1; squeeze: 0.12.8-1+b1 |
| 20:33.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | mmm, no backport |
| 20:33.46 | jordanm | it probably depends on half of gnome.. |
| 20:33.57 | jordanm | ,depends rhythmbox --release squeeze |
| 20:33.58 | judd | rhythmbox -- depends: gconf2 (>= 2.28.1-2), libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.29.3), libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6~), libcairo2 (>= 1.2.4), libdbus-1-3 (>= 1.0.2), libdbus-glib-1-2 (>= 0.78), libfontconfig1 (>= 2.8.0), libfreetype6 (>= 2.2.1), libgconf2-4 (>= 2.27.0), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.24.0), libgnome-media0, libgstreamer-plugins-base0.10-0 (>= 0.10.25), libgstreamer0.10-0 (>= 0.10.20), libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.18.0), libgudev-1.0-0 |
| 20:34.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's probably no fun to backport yourself |
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| 20:34.15 | pingouin | ifun ;) |
| 20:34.20 | jordanm | libgtk > 2.18 is probably why it hasn't been backported |
| 20:35.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | HackeMate, I guess that ubuntu-whatever just has a newer version of rhythmbox than lenny and that that is a kind of recent feature |
| 20:35.47 | HackeMate | just that? i read rhythmbox needs some help, like install usbmux, libimobiledevice, gtkpod (i install all of them) |
| 20:36.02 | HackeMate | i will read about, if the problem is lenny, i'll upgrade |
| 20:36.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's just a guess... |
| 20:36.09 | HackeMate | testing is also fun |
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| 20:36.17 | pingouin | HackeMate: they simpliest way is...to buy a Mac, with mac os X, this is for what your device is designed by a company that don't want people do what they want with the products they bought |
| 20:36.17 | HackeMate | it's a clue for me, thanks |
| 20:36.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | but as the whole menu is missing |
| 20:36.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | *shrug* |
| 20:36.39 | HackeMate | pingouin: heh |
| 20:36.51 | HackeMate | i also could buy a pc and install windows+itunes o.o |
| 20:36.58 | HackeMate | thats not the solution i like |
| 20:37.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | or get a nokia N900 which runs Maemo :-P |
| 20:37.25 | pingouin | HackeMate: and if it's your girlfriend that offer you the iphone : apt-get upgrade girlfriend :) |
| 20:37.32 | HackeMate | i just saw rhythmbox support iphone, and it sound good |
| 20:37.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | (although - despite of being a debian clone, it's amazing how much proprietary stuff they cramped in there) |
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| 20:37.53 | HackeMate | girlfriends are like viruse, argh |
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| 20:38.22 | HackeMate | she uses my iphone already, it has only one button, and she doesnt find it |
| 20:38.23 | pingouin | you mess girlfriends and hookers i guess ;) |
| 20:38.32 | HackeMate | makes me cry and laugh at same time, is a weird situation |
| 20:39.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions rhythmbox |
| 20:39.30 | judd | rhythmbox -- etch: 0.9.6-8; lenny: 0.11.6-1; sid: 0.12.8-1+b1; squeeze: 0.12.8-1+b1 |
| 20:39.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | lucid whatever uses 0.12.8-0ubuntu3 |
| 20:40.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | mmm |
| 20:40.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | trying to install the testing package into my stable wants to upgrade 187 packages |
| 20:40.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | not all of them libs, though |
| 20:40.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, and install 134 new ones |
| 20:41.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, and it also wants to remove X |
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| 20:41.53 | pav5088 | I'm getting some errors installing any kernel (on Debian Squeeze). /usr/sbin/grub-probe: error: cannot find a device for / (is /dev mounted?) |
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| 20:42.02 | pav5088 | Anyone know what's going on? |
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| 20:42.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | HackeMate, I don't think you want to backport that... yes, if you want to try, going to testing would be the easiest (what a waste though, if that doesn't solve your problem) |
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| 20:43.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes, the recent sun-spot activity prompted aliens to sabotage kernels so they produce "some error" messages |
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| 20:46.42 | HackeMate | lenny has rhythmbox 0.11.6 and ubuntu lucid 0.12.8 |
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| 20:51.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | I said that! |
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| 20:52.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | and squeeze has 0.12.8-1+b1 - it's all up there! |
| 20:52.15 | HackeMate | ah sorry, i was so excited dreaming with rhythmbox+iphone didnt read you |
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| 20:52.35 | HackeMate | blah, nothing to lose, i will live this experience like maybe an epic fail |
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| 20:53.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | you could ask someone running testing if they have a "device" section :) |
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| 20:53.25 | HackeMate | oh, good idea |
| 20:53.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | like possibly jordanm |
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| 20:54.16 | HackeMate | 2hrs idle |
| 20:54.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | biding his time, waiting for his big chance... |
| 20:54.42 | HackeMate | i will use that old msn account, surely i see some debian logo as pic |
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| 20:55.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | http://linux.softpedia.com/progChangelog/Rhythmbox-Changelog-3904.html |
| 20:55.57 | HackeMate | added device properties |
| 20:56.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | What's new in Rhythmbox 0.12.0: · dialog, initialize brand new ipods // · iPod improvements: avoid creating duplicates, add a device properties |
| 20:56.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | dunno |
| 20:57.04 | HackeMate | nevermind, i will tell you in few minutes (bang) |
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| 21:08.51 | grand_grunt | Just needing some advice: I want to use RAID1 on Debian sparc, so cann't use first sector of disc (used by Sun) |
| 21:09.44 | grand_grunt | How to handle that? Is it possible to put a "/boot" and "/boot2" on each disk? I'd like my server to be able to restart with one disc down. |
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| 21:11.30 | poisonbit | If you want your server to be able to restart with one disc down, why do you want /boot /boot2 ? just /boot over /dev/md0 (or whatever md devices are called in sparc) |
| 21:12.04 | poisonbit | being md0 something like sda1 + sdb1 raid 1 |
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| 21:12.51 | poisonbit | you just need to be sure that grub is installed in both mbr |
| 21:13.05 | poisonbit | grub or whatever sparc uses as bootloader |
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| 21:14.09 | grand_grunt | poisonbit: I cann't put a /dev/md0 at the beginning, have to set a /boot without raid |
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| 21:14.25 | grand_grunt | So, there will be a /boot on both disc: how to mount and synchronize them? |
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| 21:14.34 | poisonbit | where will be /boot ? |
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| 21:14.41 | poisonbit | in /dev/fooo ? |
| 21:14.48 | poisonbit | in /dev/fo1 ? |
| 21:14.57 | poisonbit | make a md from foo1 and foo2 |
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| 21:15.51 | bolt | when bash history is set up, is there a simple way to go "off the record"? like, when you want to specify mysql passwords on the command line and such? |
| 21:16.07 | bolt | preferably without disabling the history entirely and logging back in and such |
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| 21:16.41 | grand_grunt | bolt: delete the "vlc myporn.wmv" line (or whatever else) in ~/.bash_history? |
| 21:16.53 | poisonbit | bolt, HISTCONTROL=ignorespace then start by a space commands |
| 21:17.44 | bolt | grand_grunt: the porn is there for all to see. it's passwords i'm worried about :P |
| 21:18.02 | poisonbit | you can put your mysql passwd in a file |
| 21:18.16 | poisonbit | if don't a simple ps aux will show it to anybody in the system |
| 21:18.20 | grand_grunt | bolt: poisonbit answer's is better, I was thinking about functions or scripts that would delete the line in bash_history |
| 21:18.39 | bolt | i could, but i'm working against quite a few databases right now. i think i'll try the ignorespace thingy |
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| 21:18.42 | bolt | thanks guys :) |
| 21:18.44 | gionnico | hello! |
| 21:18.55 | grand_grunt | (be suspicious when you see "vi ~/.bash_history" in your bash_history) |
| 21:19.12 | poisonbit | bolt, the mysql personal RC file can manage multiple servers/databases |
| 21:19.15 | gionnico | semi-ot: what movie is this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJTUcJPDriw |
| 21:19.17 | gionnico | it's a classic! |
| 21:19.46 | grand_grunt | poisonbit: /boot will be both /dev/hda1 and /dev/hda3 |
| 21:20.04 | grand_grunt | err. /dev/hda1 and /dev/hdc1, I meant |
| 21:20.26 | poisonbit | grand_grunt, I don't recomend to make software raid with 2 partitions in 1 disk (with one mechanical header) |
| 21:20.29 | poisonbit | ah |
| 21:20.31 | poisonbit | :) |
| 21:20.53 | poisonbit | sparc installer supports software raid |
| 21:21.09 | grand_grunt | yes, but it doesn't accept raid on very first partition |
| 21:21.31 | poisonbit | mmm but /boot doesn't need on first partition |
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| 21:21.50 | poisonbit | you can make a empty minimal first partition and then the md partitions ? |
| 21:22.09 | grand_grunt | mh yeah, I prefer this idea |
| 21:22.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | bolt, start line with a space |
| 21:22.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, too late |
| 21:22.37 | poisonbit | if you want to "work with one disk" the better is to "mirror" both partition tables, install bootloader in both mbrs, and be sure that fstab only point to md or lvm devices |
| 21:22.41 | bolt | CutMeOwnThroat: :D |
| 21:22.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | shouldn't talk when reading backlog :) |
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| 21:23.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | bolt, also ' pass=secretpwd' then run yourcommand -p $pass (which can go into history) |
| 21:23.44 | grand_grunt | poisonbit: yes, I will do that. partition table will be in /, and / will be on /dev/md0 |
| 21:23.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | of course, will still be visible in ps aux |
| 21:23.53 | bolt | CutMeOwnThroat: ah. clever :) |
| 21:24.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | because bash expands it... so really not suited for multi-user either |
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| 21:24.33 | bolt | CutMeOwnThroat: but works for my multi-user one-at-a-time desktop :) |
| 21:24.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | people might log in remotely? |
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| 21:24.51 | grand_grunt | Wasn't sure that it would boot with a empty partition at beginning, but yeah, why not. |
| 21:24.53 | bolt | CutMeOwnThroat: not on this box |
| 21:25.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | as long as you're sure of that :) |
| 21:25.09 | bolt | hm.. |
| 21:25.11 | bolt | <.< |
| 21:25.17 | bolt | checks |
| 21:25.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | they could leave a process that runs ps auxwwww >> file once every minute :) |
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| 21:25.31 | grand_grunt | or else create a "log_in_my_sql_server.sh" script |
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| 21:25.48 | lindi- | bolt: they can have cronjobs |
| 21:26.08 | lindi- | CutMeOwnThroat: polling ps is not needed, you can inotify for changes... |
| 21:26.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | but that's for files? |
| 21:26.33 | lindi- | CutMeOwnThroat: this catches even very short-running commands like "date +%s" or "touch foo" |
| 21:26.43 | lindi- | CutMeOwnThroat: yes the trick is to inotify for /lib/* and /proc/* |
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| 21:26.44 | poisonbit | why dont use $HOME/.my.cnf as expected ? |
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| 21:26.58 | lindi- | CutMeOwnThroat: every non-static binary will do some accesses in those |
| 21:27.17 | lindi- | CutMeOwnThroat: then you just need to predict the next available PID and you can do this very efficiently |
| 21:29.09 | jhambo | What is a good method for transfering files from linux to MS windows or visa versa over home/school internet connections? I don't want to have the other user able to see all my files. chrooted/jailed sftp seems an option but looks like it's a bit complicated to set up... |
| 21:30.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | dunno, doesn't look so easy |
| 21:30.10 | poisonbit | they can catch with less frecuency than a cron minute: while : ;do ps aux | grep pass >>$HOME/mypasslog.txt; sleep 5; done |
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| 21:30.41 | grand_grunt | jhambo: ssh ? |
| 21:30.57 | karlpinc | jhambo: scp? |
| 21:30.58 | grand_grunt | You can make it listen on 443 port, that works with many firewalls |
| 21:31.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | jhambo, anonymous ftp if you don't care that anyone else can see the files, too |
| 21:31.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think he wants to grant others access to some files but not to the system... |
| 21:31.27 | jhambo | CutMeOwnThroat: need to have some kind of secure log in to see the files |
| 21:31.35 | streuner | jhambo: winscp? |
| 21:31.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | define "secure" |
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| 21:32.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | apache/https with some cgi-bin for upload, I guess |
| 21:32.09 | jhambo | with the scp method, couldn't they just ssh onto the server and then see whatever files they want? |
| 21:32.12 | lindi- | poisonbit: yes but that won't catch most commands that execute in under 0.001 seconds |
| 21:32.45 | grand_grunt | jhambo: You have to: 1) set good password, 2) check server fingerprint (store it on USB key) |
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| 21:32.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | lindi-, there is no file in /proc/ /sys/ that contains the same output as ps auxw, is there? |
| 21:32.55 | poisonbit | lindi-, we was talking about mysql, I would like all mysql invocatins to run in 0.001 :) |
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| 21:33.03 | grand_grunt | And you have /var/log/auth.log to check |
| 21:33.17 | lindi- | CutMeOwnThroat: ps reads /proc |
| 21:33.41 | lindi- | poisonbit: it only takes one query to get the password :) |
| 21:33.42 | jhambo | I'd be perfectly happy with just setting up an account for them and letting them log in via ssh/sftp but then they can browse my entire computer which I don't really want |
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| 21:33.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | I know... but it's not easily script-readable |
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| 21:34.20 | poisonbit | jhambo, webdav over https ? |
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| 21:34.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | ps reads /proc/*/stat /proc/*/status /proc/*/cmdline, it seems |
| 21:34.38 | poisonbit | webdav can be write from any browser (windows, OSX, linux) |
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| 21:35.06 | poisonbit | and you can asign permision to shares, etc... i.e. "only share this folder throught webdav" |
| 21:35.10 | karlpinc | jhambo: You can chroot with sftp. |
| 21:35.45 | poisonbit | yes, chroot is easy since lenny |
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| 21:35.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | karlpinc, lots of hassle though |
| 21:35.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | it is? |
| 21:35.57 | jhambo | karlpinc: yah sounds like that's the best option. I was trying to avoid it though because it looks a bit complicated. |
| 21:36.54 | poisonbit | chrootDirectory directive entered sshd_Config in ssh 5.0 or 5.1 |
| 21:36.58 | karlpinc | CutMeOwnThroat: Does not look like a hassle. You use ChrootDirectory in sshd_config, along with the sftp internal subsystem. 2 lines I think. |
| 21:36.59 | poisonbit | sshd_config |
| 21:37.15 | nsadmin | hi... I must have partitioned my disk such that 160gb turns out to be unusable... could someone help by taking a look at the partition table and suggest some ways of moving stuff around so I can add the 160g to my extended and then to my lvm? |
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| 21:37.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | karlpinc, you need all the basic binaries/libraries set up in a chroot, though? |
| 21:37.47 | karlpinc | CutMeOwnThroat: Not with the internal sftp client. |
| 21:37.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | how's that work? |
| 21:37.59 | jhambo | hmmm okay sounds like I should just give chroot/sftp a shot |
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| 21:38.53 | karlpinc | CutMeOwnThroat: You're already running the program, and they've made sure to get the fiddly bits right -- perhaps staticlly linking whatever's needed for the built-in sftp server. |
| 21:39.02 | poisonbit | jhambo, http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/590 |
| 21:39.13 | revil | hi there!! I create a file in /tmp as a userA, make it chmod a+rwx, but no othr user (except of course for root) can delete it. |
| 21:39.22 | revil | is this normal behaviour? |
| 21:39.25 | poisonbit | no files needed |
| 21:39.27 | jhambo | poisonbit: ahh nice |
| 21:39.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, static might work... sftp probably has all commands needed built in |
| 21:39.33 | jhambo | Thanks all |
| 21:39.39 | karlpinc | revil: Deleting a file depends on permissions in the containing directory. |
| 21:39.51 | poisonbit | revil, yes, ls -l / and see /tmp perms |
| 21:39.52 | revil | karlpinc, /tmp is a+rwx |
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| 21:40.01 | nsadmin | revil: maybe deleting a file has to do with writing the dir the file is in |
| 21:40.31 | nsadmin | right, it should be rwxrwxrwt |
| 21:40.35 | revil | drwxr-xr-x. 24 root root 4096 Jun 13 16:30 / |
| 21:40.36 | revil | drwxrwxrwt 15 root root 663552 Jun 18 00:39 /tmp |
| 21:40.36 | revil | -rwxrwxrwx 1 janis janis 0 Jun 18 00:20 /tmp/test |
| 21:40.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | karlpinc, hm, I think programs themselves can chroot themselves... so you could run sftpd, then it's switch root on its own |
| 21:41.08 | revil | another user cannot rm it: rm /tmp/test |
| 21:41.09 | revil | rm: cannot remove `/tmp/test': Operation not permitted |
| 21:41.19 | poisonbit | revil, the las "t" in drwxrwxrwt is that behavior |
| 21:41.25 | poisonbit | and you should not change that |
| 21:41.29 | karlpinc | CutMeOwnThroat: But if it was not staticlly linked and it needed to run some library code not yet loaded then a chrooted process would fail. |
| 21:41.33 | nsadmin | hmm. operation not permitted is not the same as permission denied |
| 21:41.45 | revil | poisonbit, oh, it is the static bit? |
| 21:41.53 | revil | I see... ok, sorry for your time |
| 21:41.56 | karlpinc | revil: Yes. Means something special for directories. |
| 21:42.24 | revil | I really didn't notice!! thanks!! |
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| 21:43.11 | poisonbit | sticky bit, not static bit :) |
| 21:43.20 | revil | oh, yes, that thing.. |
| 21:43.28 | nsadmin | but if you have static, isn't that sticky? |
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| 21:43.44 | revil | static is for files |
| 21:43.44 | _Dave123_ | When i execute the command, 'mysql -u root -ppass -D somedb 119211-_-album.txt _FOLDER' can it have done something wrong in my db, is there a way i can know for sure? Something messed up in copy and pasting inside shell |
| 21:44.07 | revil | right? |
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| 21:44.18 | nsadmin | not sure the purpose of static |
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| 21:44.32 | karlpinc | nsadmin: IIRC sticky has to do with swappable. |
| 21:44.39 | poisonbit | _Dave123_, if you have the bin log of mysql enabled, you can check all operations |
| 21:44.48 | nsadmin | I thought sticky for files let them stay in swap space if they're binary executable |
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| 21:45.39 | _Dave123_ | poisonbit: how can i check if i have that? |
| 21:45.47 | revil | :) |
| 21:45.48 | karlpinc | nsadmin: Like the sgid bit the meaning changes for directories. |
| 21:46.03 | karlpinc | nsadmin: man chmod |
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| 21:46.48 | poisonbit | _Dave123_, it's enabled by default i think |
| 21:46.54 | poisonbit | /etc/mysql/my.cnf |
| 21:46.55 | nsadmin | I'll get to that... but presently I need to rearrange my drive so that I can use lots of space said to be unusable by cfdisk |
| 21:47.31 | davis | hello |
| 21:47.32 | _Dave123_ | poisonbit: its commented out by default |
| 21:48.00 | _Dave123_ | log_bin = option |
| 21:48.20 | poisonbit | _Dave123_, ls -l /var/log/mysql/mysql-bin/ ? some recent file ? if not you cn't check what happened, only in the bash history |
| 21:48.44 | _Dave123_ | no such dir |
| 21:49.05 | _Dave123_ | well, i wonder if that command could have executed SOMETHING |
| 21:49.10 | _Dave123_ | at least in the mysql db |
| 21:49.11 | poisonbit | ouch, in etch it was enabled by default :) |
| 21:49.12 | _Dave123_ | thats all i need to know |
| 21:49.33 | davis | Ok this is not fun. I ran out of disk space on my root fs, so I copied a dd image to another disk, then I booted with a timo rescue cd. I did fdisk to resize the partition and tried to ext2resize and resize2fs. Neither one works. They say I ahve incompatible features. |
| 21:49.41 | poisonbit | the "log" is disabled, so where do you put commands ? |
| 21:49.56 | lindi- | davis: you have ext3? |
| 21:49.59 | _Dave123_ | poisonbit: the command I initially asked about? |
| 21:50.04 | davis | yes |
| 21:50.06 | _Dave123_ | poisonbit: in the ssh shell window? |
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| 21:50.17 | poisonbit | _Dave123_, bash => .bash_history, mysql? .mysql_history |
| 21:50.22 | davis | do i have to remove ext3 journal? |
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| 21:50.30 | davis | turn it back to ext2? |
| 21:50.33 | _Dave123_ | poisonbit: .mysql_history i have yes |
| 21:50.43 | poisonbit | that is the only piece if you don't have the mysql bin log enabled |
| 21:50.55 | _Dave123_ | but the command we refer to doesn't occur there |
| 21:51.02 | poisonbit | .mysql_history is if you enter to the mysql interactive client |
| 21:51.12 | poisonbit | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:52.58 | _Dave123_ | it was executed in bash |
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| 21:53.44 | _Dave123_ | again its this command - just want to know if (assumed the login works) command could do any harm/change to my table/db.. 'mysql -u root -ppass -D somedb 119211-_-album.txt _FOLDER' |
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| 21:55.06 | _Dave123_ | anyone got any ideas? |
| 21:55.21 | poisonbit | what 1191...etc has ? SQL commands ? |
| 21:56.25 | _Dave123_ | nothing its just a file name |
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| 21:56.34 | _Dave123_ | no sql commands |
| 21:57.15 | poisonbit | if you didn't redirected nothing to that command |
| 21:57.26 | poisonbit | I think there shouldn't be problems |
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| 21:57.36 | _Dave123_ | how do u mean redirected? |
| 21:57.50 | poisonbit | the problem is mysql -ufooo < commandds.sql |
| 21:57.50 | xand | !u |
| 21:57.50 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 22:00.01 | poisonbit | _Dave123_, if this help you... mysql -uroot -pHACKME -D mysql foooo |
| 22:00.01 | poisonbit | ERROR 1049 (42000): Unknown database 'foooo' |
| 22:00.13 | _Dave123_ | poisonbit: ok so in my case no harm ? |
| 22:00.21 | _Dave123_ | poisonbit: i just need to know cause its server at work |
| 22:00.32 | poisonbit | I think that don't worry |
| 22:00.35 | _Dave123_ | ok |
| 22:00.36 | _Dave123_ | thanks |
| 22:01.07 | poisonbit | and don't trust your job to IRC, I can be a bad person :) |
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| 22:01.13 | davis | hmm |
| 22:01.15 | davis | this aint working |
| 22:01.22 | davis | i turned off the journal on the partition |
| 22:01.34 | davis | and when I try to reboot using the rescue cd |
| 22:01.41 | davis | i still can not resize the partition |
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| 22:02.47 | smhar | I have networkmanager applet in gnome, how can I remove it. it does now have 'remove' in its menu |
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| 22:02.53 | poisonbit | resize == reduce ? first you will need to reduce filesystem and then the partition |
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| 22:04.12 | tharkun | Is there a way to connect a graphics display from a Debian box to a mac client? |
| 22:05.15 | poisonbit | smhar, If ot does not have remove, then should be in the notification area... so remove all the notification area or purge network-manager and use /etc/network |
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| 22:07.27 | poisonbit | tharkun, sorry, I don't understand, what do you want to do? |
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| 22:08.20 | mavhc | does he want to vnc? |
| 22:08.37 | tharkun | Posterdati: I need a mac aplication to connect to a graphics display on a Debian Box, with free (speech) software |
| 22:08.49 | tharkun | mavhc: vnc as in tightvnc? |
| 22:09.06 | mavhc | or a varient, yes |
| 22:09.25 | mavhc | tharkun: what do you mean by "a graphics display"? |
| 22:09.28 | tharkun | slap me in the right direction to set it up on a debian box please |
| 22:09.35 | tharkun | mavhc: X |
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| 22:10.30 | tharkun | mavhc: for the moment i am using nomachine, server and client, the encrypting and decrypting is killing my server for local conections. i need something lighter on the cpu |
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| 22:11.03 | mavhc | doesn't mac have an X11 server built in? |
| 22:11.16 | tharkun | mavhc: nfc |
| 22:11.27 | poisonbit | http://pdb.finkproject.org/pdb/package.php/gdm |
| 22:11.53 | poisonbit | you can enable remote GDM in the debian machine |
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| 22:12.09 | poisonbit | and then use gdm as client from the osx to log in |
| 22:12.19 | tharkun | poisonbit: xdmcp and what counterpart can i set up on the mac machine? |
| 22:12.32 | tharkun | counterpart meaning xdmcp client |
| 22:12.50 | poisonbit | on linux there is Xnext to embed gdm in a window... I don't know on osx |
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| 22:13.42 | poisonbit | ah |
| 22:13.53 | poisonbit | sorry, i didn't understand you, gdm is a gdm client :) |
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| 22:14.23 | poisonbit | http://pdb.finkproject.org/pdb/package.php/gdm <-- if it runs, it should be able to connect to remote gdms |
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| 22:17.39 | poisonbit | mmm tharkun are the machines in the same room ? |
| 22:17.51 | poisonbit | do you know synergy ? |
| 22:18.12 | poisonbit | synergy == you can manage both with one keyboard/mouse |
| 22:18.19 | tharkun | poisonbit: for the moment they are not. But i believe a test machine can be arranged |
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| 22:18.46 | tharkun | poisonbit: out of the question. But nice try :-) |
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| 22:19.20 | tharkun | I do have a kvm switch in one of the server racks :) |
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| 22:22.35 | supam | hi everyone |
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| 22:23.23 | Piratero | Hello everyone. A rather odd question: On a console, whenever I do (shell is Bash): xinit > /dev/null 2>&1 |
| 22:23.32 | supam | can anyone help with installing kde? I installed all the packages that I thought were relevant, restarted kdm and I get the debian login screen, after login I just get a black desktop |
| 22:23.36 | Piratero | It works fine, but when I do: xinit > /dev/null 2>&1 < /dev/null & |
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| 22:24.12 | Piratero | I get: "X: user not authorized to run the X server, aborting." |
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| 22:24.15 | Piratero | Any ideas why? |
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| 22:25.09 | Piratero | !say |
| 22:25.09 | dpkg | say what? |
| 22:25.09 | cafuego | Piratero: Why are you directing /dev/null INTO xinit? |
| 22:25.43 | Piratero | cafuego: It's from a generic script that redirects STDIN to /dev/null. |
| 22:25.53 | Piratero | If I understand, correctly from BashFAQ. |
| 22:26.05 | Piratero | This is the only program that has any issues with it. |
| 22:26.21 | cafuego | '< /dev/null' does not redirect to /dev/null |
| 22:26.26 | cafuego | it reads from /dev/null |
| 22:26.27 | Piratero | Hm? |
| 22:26.35 | Piratero | Oh, I see. |
| 22:26.36 | cafuego | 'xinit > /dev/null 2>&1' |
| 22:26.40 | cafuego | that but is fine |
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| 22:26.54 | Piratero | OK. I'll just remove that then. |
| 22:27.00 | cafuego | Of course, you could just run 'startx' |
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| 22:27.26 | Piratero | What's the difference between the two? |
| 22:27.30 | Piratero | !say sid |
| 22:27.30 | dpkg | sid |
| 22:27.35 | Piratero | Err, heh. |
| 22:28.06 | tharkun | !tell Piratero about msg the bot |
| 22:28.28 | Piratero | Ah, thanks. |
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| 22:33.12 | BenBE | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=584251 - May I complain NOW about inactive downstream package maintainers? |
| 22:33.18 | tharkun | poisonbit: do you know an other xdmcp client to run on linux besides gdm ? |
| 22:34.13 | poisonbit | tharkun, I think there should be, but I've only used gdm, sorry |
| 22:35.03 | tharkun | poisonbit: thx, i tried to test gdm as a client but i could make it work, although it worked flawlessly as a server :-) |
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| 22:35.43 | poisonbit | it seems that xdm and kdm have xdmcp chooser too |
| 22:35.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | at least one of the other from [xkg]dm should also be one, I guess - did you look? |
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| 22:36.10 | martian67 | hello, im using apt-get remove --purge to get rid of mysql |
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| 22:36.16 | martian67 | but when i re-install it |
| 22:36.20 | martian67 | it does not create config files |
| 22:36.28 | tharkun | CutMeOwnThroat: making [gkx]dm a server is painless, i just can't manage to make them works as clients. |
| 22:36.36 | tharkun | !tell martian67 about enter |
| 22:36.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | I guess... haven't needed that feature for ages |
| 22:36.54 | martian67 | yes thanks tharkun |
| 22:37.00 | tharkun | martian67: np |
| 22:37.07 | martian67 | ... |
| 22:37.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually, like, never - the last client was a diskless workstation |
| 22:37.24 | Piratero | I'm trying to build MPlayer from Squeeze by calling: apt-get -t 'squeeze' build-dep 'mplayer' and I get: 'E: Build-Depends dependency for mplayer cannot be satisfied because the package libvdpau-dev cannot be found' -- any ideas? I tried installing the package and there is an error as well. |
| 22:37.28 | tharkun | CutMeOwnThroat: it seems it is the only way to set this workstations asap |
| 22:37.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions libvdpau-dev |
| 22:37.45 | judd | libvdpau-dev -- lenny-multimedia: 0.3-2.1; squeeze: 0.4-4; sid: 0.4-5 |
| 22:37.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | Piratero, ^^^ |
| 22:38.00 | Piratero | Ah... |
| 22:39.19 | Piratero | Weird... it doesn't seem to exist for me... it's probably my /etc/apt/sources.lst |
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| 22:39.49 | tharkun | !tell Piratero about bpo |
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| 22:41.32 | bivo | why is the download mirror so painfully slow to download? 15Kbps average on direct download because the only 2 seeds the current version of vuze can see aren't connectable |
| 22:43.57 | bivo | been going for 2 hours now, with another 63 projected... |
| 22:45.18 | Piratero | tharkun: Thanks. I have it already, though... Let me see... |
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| 22:46.21 | otak | bivo: netselect finds your fastest mirror |
| 22:47.24 | martian67 | when i attempt to reinstall mysql |
| 22:47.29 | martian67 | it wont recreate config files |
| 22:47.33 | tharkun | bivo: 2 seeds? mirror? What are you really doing? |
| 22:47.42 | martian67 | ive tried purging, it dosent help |
| 22:48.58 | tharkun | !tell martian67 about deleted config |
| 22:49.10 | martian67 | ive already told you purge isnt helping |
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| 22:49.36 | tharkun | martian67: read the factoid please. Specially the last part |
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| 22:50.08 | martian67 | i _HATE_ how debian acts in regaurds to that |
| 22:50.10 | martian67 | ugh |
| 22:50.21 | martian67 | 100% counter intuitive |
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| 22:50.26 | tharkun | !lart martian67 |
| 22:50.27 | dpkg | slams martian67 against a large cement Tux |
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| 22:50.51 | martian67 | why would you ever want conf files not reinstalling |
| 22:50.55 | martian67 | 100% stupid imo |
| 22:51.11 | martian67 | i cant even think of one situation where thats a good idea |
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| 22:51.17 | themill | martian67: how does dpkg know whether you delete the config files on purpose or not? |
| 22:51.33 | themill | martian67: all you have to do is purge and reinstall the package to get them back |
| 22:51.44 | martian67 | themill, not that simple |
| 22:51.49 | themill | yes it is |
| 22:51.56 | martian67 | purging and reinstalling isnt working in this case |
| 22:52.01 | martian67 | i have to use some other options |
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| 22:52.09 | tharkun | martian67: amavis stock config files are extremly different than debian's i know a few sysadmins that just rip them off to have their own installed |
| 22:52.36 | themill | martian67: you have to purge and reinstall the right package... |
| 22:52.54 | martian67 | wow thanks themill that never occured to me! |
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| 22:53.19 | themill | martian67: clearly telling us what you've actually done so we can even help you hasn't occurred to you either. |
| 22:54.51 | martian67 | i uninstalled mysql, and deleted the config files |
| 22:55.02 | martian67 | now im attempting to reinstall it, and all hell is breaking lose |
| 22:55.05 | poisonbit | martian67, dpkg -S /path/to/file to know what is the right package |
| 22:55.16 | poisonbit | in this case your _right_ package is mysql-common |
| 22:55.25 | themill | judd: versions mysql |
| 22:55.25 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'mysql' was found. |
| 22:55.42 | themill | martian67: ^^ so you clearly didn't play with the "mysql" package did you? |
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| 22:57.09 | craigevil | !confmiss |
| 22:57.09 | dpkg | The reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>; |
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| 22:57.24 | martian67 | poisonbit, if i try to purge that |
| 22:57.33 | martian67 | it wants to remove much more than just mysql |
| 22:57.36 | themill | dpkg: tell martian67 about enter |
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| 22:57.59 | themill | martian67: so use that "confmiss" recipe that dpkg just showed you again but with the mysql-common package. |
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| 23:00.43 | martian67 | that appeared to work, thank you |
| 23:01.08 | martian67 | but as a side note thats far from just purging and reinstalling |
| 23:01.28 | Piratero | This is getting really messy... |
| 23:01.30 | cafuego | martian67: yeah, that doesn't really work if you have lots of packages that depend on the one you're purging. |
| 23:01.41 | cafuego | martian67: Usually fine, though. |
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| 23:02.27 | themill | martian67: you could just dpkg --purge the package, ignoring the dependencies and then reinstall it with either dpkg or apt. |
| 23:02.58 | martian67 | ignoring dependancies makes me nervous, it has a habit of breaking the system very badly |
| 23:03.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | Piratero, in case nobody else said it - it's not in lenny, only in sid and testing - it is in lenny-dmm, though ( /msg dpkg dmm ) - you can either backport that, too or try the one from dmm |
| 23:04.45 | martian67 | i dont like that purging mysql-server still leaves the conf files and passwords intact |
| 23:04.48 | martian67 | and the databases too |
| 23:05.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions mplayer |
| 23:05.11 | judd | mplayer -- etch: 1.0~rc1-12etch7; etch-security: 1.0~rc1-12etch7; lenny: 1.0~rc2-17+lenny3; lenny-security: 1.0~rc2-17+lenny3.2; etch-multimedia: 1:1.0-rc1svn20070225-0.3etch1; lenny-multimedia: 1:1.0.rc2svn20080706-0.1lenny2; sid: 2:1.0~rc3+svn20100502-3; squeeze: 2:1.0~rc3+svn20100502-3; sid-multimedia: 2:1.0~rc3+svn20100603-0.0; squeeze-multimedia: 2:1.0~rc3+svn20100603- |
| 23:05.30 | cafuego | martian67: Yeah, shared conffile. Oh well. |
| 23:05.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | Piratero, or you could just go ahead and use 1.0.rc2 from dmm... |
| 23:05.49 | martian67 | cafuego, it matters if you are trying to start afresh |
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| 23:06.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | *squints* oh, that's the same version as in lenny... |
| 23:06.21 | cafuego | martian67: with mysql? Just drop the databases; done. |
| 23:06.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | or perhaps not... |
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| 23:07.10 | martian67 | cafuego, for that you need to reinstall a bunch of stuff |
| 23:07.12 | Piratero | CutMeOwnThroat: That's extremely outdated... |
| 23:07.15 | Piratero | Too outdated. |
| 23:07.23 | martian67 | otherwise apt starts bitching when you delete stuff |
| 23:07.26 | martian67 | ugh |
| 23:07.45 | cafuego | martian67: No, mysql -u root -p -- drop database foo; |
| 23:08.45 | cafuego | martian67: I reckon it's better to err on the side of caution wrt deleting databases. Especially seeing as probably 95% of people don't have backups. |
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| 23:08.53 | Piratero | Jesus... |
| 23:09.07 | abrotman | yes my child? |
| 23:09.27 | Piratero | Dependency hell. |
| 23:09.30 | martian67 | cafuego, i recon its pretty irrtating when you want to get rid of files "the proper way" but you cant because apt gets in your way |
| 23:09.34 | martian67 | but i mean, thats just me |
| 23:09.39 | Piratero | LaTeX dependencies required for MPlayer? |
| 23:09.43 | Piratero | You can't be serious. |
| 23:09.49 | cafuego | Piratero: For the docs, yes. |
| 23:09.55 | Piratero | Gah |
| 23:10.09 | cafuego | Piratero: The build system spends the first 15 minutes generating documentation. Extremely annoying. |
| 23:10.14 | Piratero | Is it possible to purge these packages later? |
| 23:10.18 | cafuego | But hey, free media player. |
| 23:10.22 | Piratero | Yeah... |
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| 23:10.54 | themill | yeah... it's terrible when software comes with documentation. Much better that it doesn't. |
| 23:11.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | like all chemistry software |
| 23:11.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | \o/ |
| 23:11.19 | martian67 | themill, byzantine stupidity isnt handwaved away with documentation |
| 23:11.22 | martian67 | its still a problem |
| 23:11.30 | themill | eh? |
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| 23:11.47 | themill | martian67: oh are you still ranting? I thought you'd finally shut up |
| 23:11.55 | themill | dpkg: tell martian67 about ranting |
| 23:12.01 | Piratero | Hahahah |
| 23:12.05 | supam | can anyone help with installing kde? I installed all the packages that I thought were relevant, restarted kdm and I get the debian login screen, after login I just get a black desktop |
| 23:12.05 | martian67 | ive ignored dpkg pms |
| 23:12.09 | martian67 | thnx |
| 23:12.11 | Piratero | dpkg: tell Piratero about ranting |
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| 23:12.29 | themill | martian67: well we've ignored you until you can cooperate with the people you're trying to get help from. |
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| 23:12.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | too late |
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| 23:17.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | Piratero, after you're done with that, you could also backport miro-2.x... |
| 23:17.55 | Piratero | ? |
| 23:18.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's as much fun to backport |
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| 23:18.29 | Piratero | Oh, interesting. |
| 23:19.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | you might try .. |
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| 23:21.47 | RandomTask_ | Hello is there a guide for debain that would demonstrate how to set up VNC such that i can vnc into my home network over a tunnel and log into a pc via the gnome greeter. I wrote these instructions a few months ago 'http://www.jimscode.ca/index.php/component/content/article/19-linux/101-linux-remote-desktop-with-vnc-and-gnome' however they no longer seem to work on a pc i just updated to latest gnome. |
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| 23:22.14 | bivo | tharkun otak I left vuze on overnight and it hadn't touched it at all, while the other torrents I had open all finished, so I went for a direct download |
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| 23:26.01 | haqe18 | how can I get the PID of a bash script which invokes python to run it? pgrep scriptname returns nothing, |
| 23:26.09 | karsten | How do I convince udev that I'd very much like it to create a device for /dev/sdc1? (/dev/sdc exists, and there is a partition on it -- USB device (phone). |
| 23:26.45 | Piratero | haqe18: Google for BashFAQ. |
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| 23:27.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | RandomTask_, what? |
| 23:29.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | seems overly complicated |
| 23:29.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | and it's not using a tunnel |
| 23:29.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | karsten, make it recognize that there's a partition? |
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| 23:30.30 | karsten | CutMeOwnThroat: My understanding is that udev figures all that out and automatgickally creates the necessary files in /dev |
| 23:30.36 | karsten | CutMeOwnThroat: ... but it's not. |
| 23:30.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | karsten, I guess it doesn't see that there's a partition on it and hence doesn't make the device? |
| 23:31.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | I never had to care for that though, it always " just worked" |
| 23:31.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | looked at dmesg for complaints? |
| 23:31.44 | karsten | CutMeOwnThroat: /proc/partitions sees the partition. Not sure how udev does its magic. |
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| 23:32.31 | karsten | CutMeOwnThroat: Looks happy to me: http://paste.debian.net/77838/ |
| 23:33.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | karsten, [1220360.807334] sdc: sdc1 |
| 23:33.40 | karsten | CutMeOwnThroat: Yeah, so kernel sees it. Udev doesn't create /dev/sdc1 |
| 23:34.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually it seems it does... it's even automaounted, thats why you get the utf8 warning |
| 23:34.30 | RandomTask_ | I want to vnc into my pc and be greeted by alogin prompt |
| 23:34.37 | haqe18 | Piratero: a little more help? |
| 23:34.37 | nsadmin | I need to rearrange my drive so that I can use lots of space said to be unusable by cfdisk... looking to show the partition table and come up with strategies so I can get the most space out of this and hopefully not waste any |
| 23:35.02 | Piratero | haqe18: The answer is there. |
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| 23:35.21 | karsten | CutMeOwnThroat: I've just mknod'ed it manually: mknod /dev/sdc1 b 8 33 |
| 23:35.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | RandomTask_, actually - why, you're already using a single ssh account to go in?! |
| 23:35.44 | haqe18 | Piratero: echo $$, but where to put it so that I can id the script? |
| 23:35.58 | Piratero | Hm? |
| 23:36.00 | haqe18 | Piratero: i mean, before or after the shabang? |
| 23:36.02 | karsten | RandomTask_: What's your current X display manager? Eg: gdm, kdm, xdm. |
| 23:36.11 | Piratero | $$ is a variable... |
| 23:36.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, you're not... but that'd be the better way to go about it from a security point of view |
| 23:36.17 | abrotman | there is a #bash also |
| 23:36.20 | Piratero | Yes. |
| 23:36.43 | RandomTask_ | because i ssh into a kvm image ... localhost:5901 goes to PC1, localhost:5902 goes to PC2, etc etc ... it prevents a crap load of typing |
| 23:36.47 | Piratero | haqe18: Do something like: echo "PID: $$" |
| 23:36.57 | karsten | RandomTask_: http://linuxreviews.org/howtos/xvnc/ generally |
| 23:37.04 | RandomTask_ | looking |
| 23:38.11 | RandomTask_ | interesting ... i have never seen the xdm step |
| 23:38.15 | RandomTask_ | thanks |
| 23:38.18 | RandomTask_ | i will try |
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| 23:38.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | guess the last line gives a hint as to why that stops working "# The file '/etc/gdm/gdm.conf' will likely disappear in future releases. It is already gone in the latest Ubuntu release (Karmic Koala)." |
| 23:39.31 | haqe18 | Piratero: ok |
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| 23:42.04 | karsten | RandomTask_: You're tying a few things together doing this -- VNC doesn't normally do session initialization. Old-school X used to listen for network connections (and support multiple user sessions on a single host) managed through the X display manager. That role's now taken by (usually) GDM, KDM, WDM, or whatever XFCE4's DM is called. But you can get them to listen on network and answer if necessary. |
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| 23:43.34 | RandomTask_ | That's what i am doing i think ... i documented my setup at the below link ... unfortunately instead of a login after an apt-get update I now get a grey screen. |
| 23:43.42 | RandomTask_ | http://www.jimscode.ca/index.php/component/content/article/19-linux/101-linux-remote-desktop-with-vnc-and-gnome |
| 23:44.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | I normally run ssh -t -L 5900:localhost:5900 user@host 'x11vnc -localhost' - of course that's to the existing X server |
| 23:45.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | but the same would work calling vnc4server |
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| 23:46.50 | karsten | RandomTask_: Yeah. Anyhow, those are the docs. I haven't tried to set this up myself for years. Usually just use ssh. |
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| 23:47.12 | RandomTask_ | I am thinking it may have to do with gdm3 |
| 23:47.22 | RandomTask_ | there is a file called daemon.conf |
| 23:47.39 | karsten | RandomTask_: IIRC KDM used to support this pretty easily, and I think did by default with SuSE. |
| 23:47.42 | RandomTask_ | that does not have xdcmp set ... however it is set in /etc/gdm |
| 23:48.23 | acu | hey guys is squeeze running OK? I did an upgrade and reboot and when I get in X it just shows me no signal |
| 23:48.32 | abrotman | it's fine here |
| 23:48.37 | karsten | RandomTask_: You may also have to unset "nolisten tcp" for your DM. |
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| 23:49.02 | RandomTask_ | will look into it |
| 23:49.05 | RandomTask_ | thanks |
| 23:49.07 | acu | how you reconfigure the Xorg - because dpk-reconfigure xserver-xorg is not the way anymore |
| 23:49.14 | karsten | RandomTask_: I'm not sure, and if you do, you almost certainly want to restrict what IPs can connect to the XDMCP server somehow. |
| 23:49.38 | RandomTask_ | i only allow ssh access into my network |
| 23:49.53 | RandomTask_ | no vnc ports outside my basement |
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| 23:50.12 | karsten | :) |
| 23:50.30 | RandomTask_ | and when you ssh in you get a kvm image |
| 23:50.35 | RandomTask_ | very small and limited |
| 23:51.01 | RandomTask_ | :-) famous last words eh |
| 23:51.31 | rudi_s | !tell acu about drxx |
| 23:53.10 | abrotman | acu: X -configure .. but you probably shouldn't be using that |
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