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| 00:06.42 | Piratero | Oh oh... |
| 00:08.19 | goncalo | you need to compile support for lvm in your kernel as that qemu image probably contains an lvm partition in it |
| 00:08.29 | goncalo | oops |
| 00:08.45 | goncalo | I forgot to scroll down a couple days ago :-) |
| 00:09.21 | Piratero | Heh |
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| 00:11.11 | Piratero | Damn, I think I accidently upgraded to Squeeze. |
| 00:14.07 | goncalo | carpe diem, squeeze the day? |
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| 00:14.47 | Piratero | goncalo: Sure. |
| 00:15.11 | Piratero | BRB. |
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| 00:18.13 | cafuego | ffs. |
| 00:18.39 | tharkun | RandomTask_: how do you connect to your server using xdmcp? |
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| 00:31.01 | acu | is any text interface web browser (I have no X and I need to consult debian wiki while Itroubleshoot) |
| 00:31.08 | tharkun | w3m |
| 00:31.18 | tharkun | links2 |
| 00:31.42 | acu | and a chat text interface |
| 00:31.51 | tharkun | chat as in irc? |
| 00:31.53 | joltcan | acu: irssi? |
| 00:32.11 | tharkun | if you need messenger install bitlbee |
| 00:32.34 | acu | I just need to be able to come here and ask you guys :) so irssi works |
| 00:33.01 | acu | thanks joltcan tharkun et al see you soon |
| 00:33.07 | tharkun | irssi is the way to go, commands you need to know /connect irc.freenode.net /j #debian and you are all set |
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| 00:35.39 | RandomTask_ | tharkun: ... i use gnome 'Remote Desktop' from my local network and see a grey screen |
| 00:36.07 | craigevil | irssi+bitlbee, links+surfraw, sr debwiki foo, sr google foo :) |
| 00:37.15 | d03boy | I havent turned on my debian system in a year. I want to install mercurial but I have a bunch of dependencies that aren't up to date. What do I do? |
| 00:38.04 | d03boy | I already did an apt-get update |
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| 00:39.59 | tharkun | RandomTask_: any name to run it from a console or to fetch it with apt-get |
| 00:40.01 | tharkun | ? |
| 00:40.25 | d03boy | I'm going to type apt-get upgrade and hope that works |
| 00:40.57 | tharkun | RandomTask_: Disregard just found it, thx |
| 00:41.08 | RandomTask_ | vncviewer 192.168.1.77:1 will do it as well from bash |
| 00:42.13 | tharkun | RandomTask_: i am having some trouble with vncviewer to log into a known working xdmcp server |
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| 00:42.40 | RandomTask_ | then try the gnome one |
| 00:42.46 | RandomTask_ | i would guess |
| 00:42.50 | RandomTask_ | the app name is: |
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| 00:43.31 | RandomTask_ | gnome-rdp |
| 00:44.25 | RandomTask_ | (that's the package name ... normally install by default under Applications->Internet->Remote Desktop menu |
| 00:45.29 | abrotman | !tell d03boy about why aptitude |
| 00:45.44 | tharkun | RandomTask_: I ditched gnome long ago :-) it keeps on resetting the brightness of the screen to the max intensity available |
| 00:46.11 | RandomTask_ | That's ok I forgive you ... |
| 00:49.23 | tharkun | RandomTask_: I am doing something completely flawed since i cannot connect. Where do i start looking for information? |
| 00:49.45 | RandomTask_ | What are you seeing? |
| 00:49.51 | tharkun | conection refused |
| 00:49.53 | RandomTask_ | Are you atleast getting a grey screen |
| 00:49.59 | tharkun | nothing |
| 00:50.22 | RandomTask_ | do you have access to the server |
| 00:50.23 | RandomTask_ | ? |
| 00:50.31 | tharkun | yes, full access |
| 00:50.45 | RandomTask_ | verify that services are configured |
| 00:50.48 | RandomTask_ | /etc/services |
| 00:50.59 | RandomTask_ | make sure 5901 etc is set up |
| 00:51.19 | RandomTask_ | then check from the server |
| 00:51.27 | RandomTask_ | try vncviewer localhost:1 |
| 00:51.57 | RandomTask_ | (it's been a while since i couldn't even get that far ... e.g. 2 years so i will try and dig up some notes) |
| 00:51.58 | tharkun | Well xdmcp is working since this is a production server |
| 00:52.19 | RandomTask_ | without xdmcp you should atleast get a grey screen |
| 00:52.26 | tharkun | it is THE xdmcp server |
| 00:52.58 | tharkun | RandomTask_: why 5901 and not 6000? |
| 00:53.06 | RandomTask_ | you can pick what ever you like |
| 00:53.15 | RandomTask_ | if you use a wonky port |
| 00:53.22 | tharkun | 6000 is the one running on the server :) |
| 00:53.23 | RandomTask_ | try vncviewer localhost::6000 |
| 00:53.29 | RandomTask_ | notice the double colon |
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| 00:54.48 | tharkun | RandomTask_: Error:Can't open display: <-- logical error since i am connected over ssh (too lazy to walk up two floors) |
| 00:55.26 | RandomTask_ | did you create a tunnel via ssh to the box? |
| 00:55.39 | tharkun | RandomTask_: tried it from my local computer and got this CConn: connected to host 192.168.100.3 port 6000 |
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| 00:56.28 | d03boy | aptitude has minesweeper built in? That ... is awesome |
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| 00:57.41 | RandomTask_ | to connect over ssh you will need to do it like this: 1.) ssh -L 9999:personal-server.com:5901 user@personal-server.com 2.) in shell running on machine run vnc localhost:9999 |
| 00:57.44 | abrotman | would rather tetris or columns |
| 00:58.47 | RandomTask_ | (ps your not trying to start the vnc viewer in an ssh shell are you?) |
| 00:59.05 | tharkun | RandomTask_: doing the ssh tunnel is not a problem at this moment, i do need to get connected only using xdmcp. For remote and secure connections i use nomachine software |
| 00:59.22 | d03boy | apt-get and aptitude are telling me I need to update my kernel to 2.6... what do you guys think? |
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| 00:59.26 | d03boy | this is a server computer |
| 00:59.41 | tharkun | d03boy: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 00:59.42 | abrotman | d03boy: you probably do |
| 00:59.45 | epsilon | you still run 2,4? |
| 00:59.55 | abrotman | d03boy: you likely are looking at a security update for your currently instlaled kenrel |
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| 01:00.26 | d03boy | i'm on 3.1 |
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| 01:00.29 | abrotman | why?! |
| 01:00.35 | epsilon | 3.1... was that sarge? |
| 01:00.37 | d03boy | this machine has been turned off for a year |
| 01:00.41 | d03boy | I just turned it back on today |
| 01:00.48 | d03boy | so... I need to upgrade |
| 01:00.49 | epsilon | :D |
| 01:00.56 | abrotman | d03boy: sarge hasn't been supported for like three years |
| 01:00.58 | epsilon | something critical on it? |
| 01:01.05 | d03boy | no its just a server |
| 01:01.12 | epsilon | then reinstall it |
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| 01:01.48 | tharkun | fresh install, like the doctor ordered |
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| 01:01.48 | d03boy | hmm... I need to do that without a monitor then :\ |
| 01:01.54 | tharkun | d03boy: beware check for any particular configuration on the kernel concerning the hardware. A full backup of etc will not hurt you |
| 01:01.56 | epsilon | sarge -> lenny is something I won't recomment, expect you have some reason to do so |
| 01:02.40 | abrotman | you have to go trhough etch first |
| 01:02.47 | epsilon | right |
| 01:02.57 | d03boy | i dont mind doing a full install |
| 01:03.05 | d03boy | *reinstall |
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| 01:03.14 | d03boy | I just need to figure out how to do it without a monitor |
| 01:03.34 | civillian | KVM over IP? |
| 01:03.53 | epsilon | debootstrap maybe... but it's tricky, especially to install the bootloader |
| 01:04.57 | abrotman | ssh ? |
| 01:05.16 | d03boy | I can ssh in if that's possible |
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| 01:07.11 | tharkun | d03boy: dpkg -l |grep -c \^ |
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| 01:07.29 | d03boy | 428 |
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| 01:07.48 | abrotman | tharkun: wc -l ? |
| 01:07.58 | abrotman | d03boy: are you gonig to try to upgrade the machine or do a fresh install? |
| 01:08.46 | d03boy | abrotman, I'd prefer a fresh install but I dont know if I can do that without a monitor... (I have a big TV I could use but I dont want to move it) |
| 01:09.41 | abrotman | !ssh install |
| 01:09.41 | dpkg | i guess ssh install is http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch06s03#network-console (obsolete artictle at http://www.underhanded.org/papers/debian-conversion/remotedeb.html). See also <hd-media>, <debootstrap>. |
| 01:09.44 | abrotman | not sure if it still works |
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| 01:10.15 | tharkun | abrotman: kind of used to regexp |
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| 01:10.35 | abrotman | and yours wasn't quite right anyways .. but oh well |
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| 01:12.06 | tharkun | d03boy: Having that low number of packages doing a double update will not be that long. Although a fresh install is highly recomended |
| 01:12.43 | abrotman | he probably doesn't have that many |
| 01:12.51 | d03boy | Do you recommend internet access with a fresh install? I can't bring the TV in here where I have internet but I can take the machine out there where I dont have inet |
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| 01:13.17 | d03boy | I really should just get a monitor one of these days |
| 01:13.36 | abrotman | !tell d03boy about sarge->etch |
| 01:13.39 | abrotman | !tell d03boy about etch->lenny |
| 01:14.04 | tharkun | By the time he finishes, the man will have to do lenny- |
| 01:14.07 | tharkun | >squeeze |
| 01:14.30 | d03boy | hoohoo |
| 01:14.51 | tharkun | !tell d03boy about apt-zip |
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| 01:16.35 | abrotman | tharkun: you're not much help |
| 01:17.05 | tharkun | abrotman: For what i could parse he will eventually need it. |
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| 01:18.00 | abrotman | don't you have your own problems? |
| 01:18.58 | tharkun | If my presence here bothers you, please ask me to leave and i will do so gladly. |
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| 01:24.18 | tharkun | abrotman: didn't realize you are chanop around. Nice to meet you. Good bye. |
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| 01:25.16 | d03boy | excellent |
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| 01:28.10 | ircDon | Anyone seeing weird blanking artifacts in Iceweasel after today's Sid updates? I have fglrx drivers installed and I see a new release came down today - this is my primary suspect. |
| 01:29.14 | abrotman | wonders how close ircDon is ... |
| 01:29.20 | abrotman | ircDon: did you try another X driver? |
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| 01:30.33 | ircDon | Na, I haven't really debugged it yet. I thought I'd stop in here before I took the trouble to write up a proper bug report to whatever package is to blame. |
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| 01:32.19 | ircDon | I am running GNOME/Metacity (no compositing) and all my other apps seem fine. Is there a special visual pathway Iceweasel takes for rendering that I should investigate? |
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| 01:34.09 | abrotman | you might want to read the BTS before you send one in |
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| 01:34.33 | italic | which file do you set the path on login with gdm? |
| 01:34.47 | ircDon | Of course, I don't see anything in fglrx though. |
| 01:35.14 | jrc | has anyone ever done a fresh install and still had windows bits left on the drive? |
| 01:35.33 | abrotman | fresh install of what ? |
| 01:35.33 | karsten | jrc: No, you're the first. |
| 01:35.37 | karsten | !tell jrc about ask |
| 01:35.56 | jrc | i just installed on a 400G sata drive and it says error loading operating system |
| 01:36.03 | jrc | i thought that was a windows error |
| 01:36.07 | jrc | ive installed grub |
| 01:36.17 | karsten | jrc: Describe your boot sequence. |
| 01:36.29 | jrc | tried reinstalling grub in recovery mode and now it gives me the option of debian and windows |
| 01:36.34 | italic | setting .profile on ubuntu works, debian doesnt hit it? |
| 01:36.40 | jrc | trying either says my disk doesnt exist |
| 01:36.44 | jrc | hd1,0 |
| 01:36.50 | jrc | shouldnt it be hd0? |
| 01:36.54 | karsten | jrc: Describe what you see through boot process. |
| 01:36.59 | jrc | i only have one disc |
| 01:37.08 | jrc | well before the screen just went black |
| 01:37.10 | karsten | jrc: ... and yeah, I've had issues with grub2 getting the disk specified incorrectly. |
| 01:37.13 | jrc | and said error loading operating system |
| 01:37.19 | abrotman | italic: /etc/profile maybe |
| 01:37.22 | karsten | jrc: slow down. |
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| 01:37.29 | karsten | jrc: Do you get a BIOS boot screen? |
| 01:37.32 | jrc | yes |
| 01:37.35 | jrc | my pc posts fine |
| 01:37.36 | karsten | jrc: I need to step through this. |
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| 01:37.57 | italic | abrotman: eh, i wanted some per user environmental vars |
| 01:38.01 | karsten | jrc: After that, do you get a GRUB initial boot sequence, or an NTLDR boot sequence? |
| 01:38.21 | jrc | after reinstalling grub i get a grub boot sequence with the options menu |
| 01:38.31 | jrc | all options say that the disk doesnt exist though |
| 01:38.32 | abrotman | italic: ~/.xsession maybe |
| 01:38.33 | karsten | jrc: You get a GRUB boot menu / prompt? |
| 01:38.36 | abrotman | or .xinitrc |
| 01:38.48 | jrc | no i get the options of debian, debian single user, and windows |
| 01:38.55 | jrc | after doing an install on the entire disk |
| 01:39.01 | karsten | jrc: That *IS* the GRUB boot prompt |
| 01:39.18 | jrc | yeah |
| 01:39.21 | karsten | jrc: Which tells us that 1) GRUB MBR is installed correctly and 2) you're getting to the 2nd stage GRUB bootloader. |
| 01:39.23 | jrc | and none of the options work |
| 01:39.28 | karsten | jrc: All of which is useful information. |
| 01:39.34 | karsten | jrc: Shut up for a goddman second. |
| 01:40.19 | karsten | jrc: Have you ever done an interactive GRUB boot -- hitting IIRC 'e' for edit or 'c' for command (I may be wrong on that) and specifying your boot parameters interactively? |
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| 01:40.49 | karsten | So much for that. |
| 01:40.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | italic, it should... mine's .bash_profile, though |
| 01:41.03 | karsten | Kids these days. |
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| 01:41.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | also, .profile for login-shells only, others just load .bashrc |
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| 01:41.51 | lilith | hi all |
| 01:41.57 | zebradog | lilith, hi |
| 01:42.14 | jrc | sorry karsten got dced |
| 01:42.23 | karsten | jrc: OK. |
| 01:42.24 | italic | CutMeOwnThroat: .profile wont run on gdm login, like for a menu item |
| 01:42.29 | karsten | jrc: Thought I'd pissed you off. |
| 01:42.45 | karsten | jrc: Stay with me a sec, I think you're close to OK, but need to dial in what's wrong. |
| 01:42.51 | karsten | jrc: Have you ever done an interactive GRUB boot -- hitting IIRC 'e' for edit or 'c' for command (I may be wrong on that) and specifying your boot parameters interactively? |
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| 01:43.00 | italic | i'll try .xinitrc to source my .bashrc |
| 01:43.01 | lilith | say does setting a fonts.conf file one's home dir still work to smooth fonts out? |
| 01:43.13 | zebradog | lilith, ? |
| 01:43.13 | lilith | zebradog: hi |
| 01:43.22 | lilith | yes? |
| 01:43.35 | zebradog | lilith, xft, you're thinking about Xfonts vs. the new fonts format.. |
| 01:43.38 | jrc | i have before on other linux installs |
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| 01:44.05 | jrc | usually just to get into single user or disable certain startup options relating to my CD drive |
| 01:44.28 | karsten | jrc: Yeah. If you can't boot that doesn't work. |
| 01:44.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | italic, you said you wanted to use .profile, not me! |
| 01:44.36 | zebradog | lilith, if you want to add a new ttf font, you can copy it to your ~/.fonts folder and fc-cache -f ~/.fonts < something like this.. |
| 01:44.50 | jrc | well im reinstalling now |
| 01:44.51 | gen0cide | Hey, how do i build a .deb file from a folder that has the source so i can install it with m-a ? |
| 01:44.53 | jrc | well see how it goes |
| 01:45.01 | zebradog | lilith, i don't know what you mean to smooth out fonts.. |
| 01:45.06 | karsten | jrc: IIRC hitting any key (<space> or <shift> are usually good ones) stops the menu timer and gives you time to read. |
| 01:45.08 | d03boy | Clear Type? |
| 01:45.18 | italic | CutMeOwnThroat: i do! i'd rather everything be in one place |
| 01:45.18 | karsten | jrc: Is this another box, BTW, or the one you're on now? |
| 01:45.37 | gen0cide | Im trying to find the .deb for madwifi 0.9.4+r4126-20100324 |
| 01:45.45 | gen0cide | Can i build this as a deb package? |
| 01:45.45 | karsten | jrc: .... 'e' to edit the boot prompt. You want to try specifying a different root device. |
| 01:45.49 | gen0cide | so i can install it with m-a ? |
| 01:45.52 | jrc | im on a laptop atm |
| 01:45.53 | karsten | jrc: hd0 for example. |
| 01:46.05 | jrc | reinstalling no worries |
| 01:46.08 | lilith | smooth meaning not jagged fonts |
| 01:46.15 | karsten | jrc: And the system you're having problems with is another machine? Or the one you're using for IRC? |
| 01:46.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | italic, man bash says it will read .profile and others (in --noprofile, for example) |
| 01:46.29 | karsten | jrc: In other words: can I talk to you while you're booting or are you going to be offline? |
| 01:47.05 | jrc | im installing on a different system ill remain on irc |
| 01:47.16 | karsten | jrc: Good. |
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| 01:47.22 | italic | CutMeOwnThroat: i'll hunt around, thanks |
| 01:47.23 | lilith | some called it "auto hinting" |
| 01:47.46 | lilith | but that may be a misnomer |
| 01:47.55 | zebradog | lilith, you'd have to know if you're looking at xfonts or the newfont format |
| 01:48.00 | karsten | jrc: grub or grub2? |
| 01:48.18 | jrc | default from lenny |
| 01:48.22 | jrc | menu.lst |
| 01:48.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | ita... gorn wid de win |
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| 01:48.40 | karsten | What's lenny's default grub? 1 or 2? |
| 01:48.45 | karsten | jrc: I *think* it's still grub. |
| 01:48.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | 1 |
| 01:49.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's why they don't want you in #grub |
| 01:49.20 | lilith | yeah'I don know because I'm not an aethetic orientated person. What I do know is that I want smoooth looking fonts and the basic cli debian installs have never given me that on theget go |
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| 01:49.49 | karsten | jrc: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html#Commands grub1 manual, commands section. |
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| 01:50.09 | jrc | i think the fresh install did the trick |
| 01:50.13 | lilith | I stick that file mentioned in http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/ubuntu/enable-smooth-fonts-on-ubuntu-linux/ in and see if it makes a difference. |
| 01:50.16 | jrc | no more windows |
| 01:50.18 | karsten | jrc: OK. |
| 01:50.22 | karsten | jrc: So you're good? |
| 01:50.26 | jrc | i used the text installer this time |
| 01:50.27 | jrc | yes |
| 01:50.31 | karsten | Cool. |
| 01:50.35 | zebradog | lilith, so look for ttf or fonts, avoid looking for packages that start with the name "xfonts" (you can keep the already existing xfonts package installed for legacy X apps) |
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| 01:50.48 | lilith | other than that I can check to see that the m$ fonts are installed and selected |
| 01:50.55 | karsten | jrc: In general: it's handy to know your GRUB interface. You can do a lot of rescue from it. |
| 01:51.00 | lilith | k |
| 01:51.22 | zebradog | lilith, i tend to use terminus but is probably not what you're looking for.. |
| 01:51.29 | eskaypey | greetings |
| 01:51.30 | karsten | jrc: Set grub's root, or the kernel boot parameters. One or the other of which should have fixed your problem. |
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| 01:52.03 | lilith | zebradog: you know now that I thin about it I have seen errors in xorg log files complaing about certain fonts not being found. Should that be a concern in relation to this? |
| 01:52.06 | eskaypey | anyone uses Calamaris for analyzing Squid logs? |
| 01:52.19 | karsten | !tell eskaypey about ask |
| 01:52.28 | karsten | eskaypey: ... and are you sure you don't want to ask in #squid? |
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| 01:52.52 | lilith | terminus? well I gather tha's for terminal I take it and that is on my list but fonts for X11 apps is what I',m after |
| 01:53.17 | zebradog | lilith, no that's fine, it's usually a few of those ugly fonts that are not needed, as long as base xfonts are available.. |
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| 01:53.38 | zebradog | lilith, there's a terminus for console and X11 apps |
| 01:53.45 | zebradog | (terminus font style) |
| 01:54.19 | zebradog | lilith, there's like 2 pacakages, a simple gedit would then be able to show Terminus as a font option |
| 01:55.25 | lilith | I read about terminus'apparently there is also one called ProggyFont which is great too. Anything is beter than what my terminal is using as my "m"s look like "n", if you an beleive it |
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| 01:56.15 | zebradog | lilith, i'm confused, you want fonts for terminal or X11 ? |
| 01:56.33 | lilith | both |
| 01:57.22 | zebradog | lilith, well.. i already did say what i use.. you can try that and see if that helps.. :) |
| 01:57.24 | eskaypey | karsten: cheers mate |
| 01:57.26 | lilith | mainly for X but also one good one for term would be appreciated considering that the one being used is so aweful |
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| 01:58.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | "apt-cache search fonts" or somesuch is your friend then |
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| 02:00.50 | lilith | zebradog: thanks. Say I guess I shouldn't be concerned that /etc/fonts/local.conf doesn't exist on my system either |
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| 02:02.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | also possibly apt-cache search ^ttf |
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| 02:03.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | only ~200 hits |
| 02:03.17 | lilith | thanks guys |
| 02:03.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | take care... |
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| 02:03.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | inkscape can take ages loading if you install all those :) |
| 02:04.37 | lilith | lol |
| 02:05.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes... someone said his 2GHz machine took over a minute starting inkscape |
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| 02:08.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | or did he say 5 minutes? |
| 02:09.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | whatever |
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| 02:09.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | not installing any japanese, persian, korean or chinese fonts helps |
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| 02:11.58 | gbear14275 | when setting up a new machine. Is there any advantage to selecting the "web server" option it asks about in the installer vs manually installing apache later? |
| 02:12.18 | karsten | gbear14275: Not particularly. |
| 02:12.32 | karsten | !tell gbear14275 about tasksel |
| 02:12.42 | dvs | gbear14275: i'd prefer to install exactly what I need. |
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| 02:12.58 | lilith | be back |
| 02:13.28 | gbear14275 | karsten:, dvs: Thanks... was wondering if perhaps additional config changes were made on top of basic stuff. I'll do it by hand |
| 02:15.16 | gbear14275 | ooh... looks like I should have chosen the standard option... instead of none of them |
| 02:17.07 | abrotman | you can still do that with aptitude ... aptitude install ~pstandard |
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| 02:25.04 | gen0cide | How do i make a deb module so i can install it with m-a ? |
| 02:25.14 | gen0cide | from a tar.gz source |
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| 02:26.49 | qq- | !m-a |
| 02:26.50 | dpkg | i heard module-assistant is a tool helping to build additional (kernel) module packages and install them. "aptitude install module-assistant". See usage examples at http://wiki.debian.org/ModuleAssistant . Log files from successful (and unsuccessful!) builds can be found in /var/cache/modass/ |
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| 02:29.44 | gen0cide | qq- : No i want to build my own package for m-a |
| 02:29.51 | gen0cide | How would i do that |
| 02:30.02 | gen0cide | I want to create the newest madwifi source as a deb |
| 02:30.39 | gen0cide | For some reason the newest madwifi package in the repo is from 2 yearws ago |
| 02:30.51 | gen0cide | and im getting kernel panics about the wifi card |
| 02:31.19 | qq- | madwifi is ... depreciate |
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| 02:31.59 | qq- | newer chips don't needs it , it seems |
| 02:32.41 | gen0cide | ya i have an older ubiquiti mini pci wifi card |
| 02:32.54 | gen0cide | from 3 years ago |
| 02:33.22 | gen0cide | But, how do i create a .deb from a source .tar.gz ?? |
| 02:33.30 | qq- | !ssb |
| 02:33.30 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <backports.org>. If unavailable: 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list 2) enable backports.org (see <bpo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 02:35.56 | craigevil | even on some newer wifi chipsets madwifi works better than athk5/athk9 |
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| 02:36.48 | gen0cide | damnit backport.org doesnt have a newer madiwif package |
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| 02:37.29 | gen0cide | Thats not going to work |
| 02:38.07 | gen0cide | I need to turn this : http://snapshots.madwifi-project.org/madwifi-0.9.4-current.tar.gz , into a deb |
| 02:38.18 | abrotman | why? did you try the kernel from backports.org ? |
| 02:38.40 | gen0cide | No i need the newest madwifi verson not kernel |
| 02:38.44 | craigevil | gen0cide: you might try http://www.liquorix.net/debian/pool/main/m/madwifi/madwifi-source_0.9.4+r4128-20100325-2_all.deb |
| 02:39.39 | gen0cide | craigevil: hey thanks |
| 02:39.41 | gen0cide | Ill try that |
| 02:39.45 | gen0cide | wewt |
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| 02:41.07 | abrotman | what could go wrong ... |
| 02:41.13 | abrotman | madwifi is dead upstream |
| 02:42.09 | gen0cide | what does that mean |
| 02:42.11 | gen0cide | heh |
| 02:42.46 | abrotman | it means they haven't done work on it in like two years i thikn |
| 02:43.54 | abrotman | gen0cide: 0.9.4 was released on 02/13/2080 |
| 02:43.57 | abrotman | erm .. 2008 |
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| 02:45.30 | gen0cide | The newest snapshot is from march |
| 02:45.32 | gen0cide | thats what i need |
| 02:45.45 | gen0cide | "In case you use kernel 2.6.25 or newer, you need to get this snapshot of the madwifi-0.9.4 branch instead of the v0.9.4 release! That snapshot is basically v0.9.4 plus compilation fixes for recent kernels. " |
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| 02:46.00 | gen0cide | because every hour i get kernel panics |
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| 02:46.56 | abrotman | using what? |
| 02:47.01 | gen0cide | debian |
| 02:47.06 | abrotman | which kernel? |
| 02:47.22 | gen0cide | whats that command again to check the kernel version |
| 02:47.35 | abrotman | uname -r |
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| 02:48.36 | gen0cide | 2.6.26-e-686 |
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| 02:48.41 | gen0cide | 2.6.26-2-686 |
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| 02:48.52 | abrotman | judd: kernels |
| 02:48.53 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.34-1-686 (2.6.34-1~experimental.2); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-15); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-15); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-15~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-22lenny1); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
| 02:49.14 | abrotman | gen0cide: /msg dpkg bpo .. try the .32 currently in backports.org .. it may have better ath5k/ath9k support for oyur card |
| 02:49.35 | gen0cide | but i dont want ath5k |
| 02:49.37 | gen0cide | heh |
| 02:49.44 | gen0cide | Should i upgrade my kernel though? |
| 02:49.52 | abrotman | madwifi is dead |
| 02:50.00 | abrotman | you'll end up using ath5k eventually |
| 02:50.22 | abrotman | gen0cide: lspci -nn | grep -i net .. what is the line for your wifi device? |
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| 02:52.33 | gen0cide | 00:06:0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Atheros Communications Inc. AR5413 802.11abg NIC [168c:001b] (rev 01) |
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| 02:53.57 | qq- | , pciid 168c:001b |
| 02:53.58 | judd | [168c:001b] is 'AR5413 802.11abg NIC' from 'Atheros Communications Inc.' with kernel module 'ath5k' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=168c:001b http://wiki.debian.org/ath5k and the out-of-tree 'ath_pci' module. |
| 02:54.23 | abrotman | right .. try the bpo kernel, the madwifi is probablyt better |
| 02:54.31 | abrotman | emr .. the ath5k is probably better |
| 02:54.42 | dvs | you sure? ;-) |
| 02:54.57 | gen0cide | I deleted the ath5k.ko |
| 02:55.05 | gen0cide | well i just copied and pasted it |
| 02:55.13 | gen0cide | out of the modules directory |
| 02:55.44 | abrotman | or just ignore me |
| 02:56.46 | gen0cide | lol |
| 02:56.55 | gen0cide | What is the bpo kernel? |
| 02:58.01 | abrotman | read the instructions at backports.org, then aptitude -t lenny-backports install linux-image-686 |
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| 02:59.13 | gen0cide | could it be a problem if my cpu is almost all i686 cept it doesnt have CMOV |
| 02:59.27 | gen0cide | stupid VIA |
| 03:00.17 | gen0cide | dpkg -i madwifi-source_0.9.4+r4128-20100325-2_all.deb |
| 03:00.17 | dpkg | installs madwifi-source_0.9.4+r4128-20100325-2_all.deb into gen0cide's head with a bone saw and a few screws |
| 03:00.17 | gen0cide | m-a prepare |
| 03:00.17 | gen0cide | m-a auto-install madwifi |
| 03:00.21 | gen0cide | I did that |
| 03:00.55 | gen0cide | its building right now |
| 03:01.19 | gen0cide | im doing it through ssh because im too lazy to type it |
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| 03:02.08 | gen0cide | All of this is for a Neoware thinclient that bascially acts as a internet sharer |
| 03:03.02 | gen0cide | It connects to the AP through wifi, and runs dnsmasq for the dhcp server , connected to a linksys router flashed with dd wrt connected via ethernet acting as a WAP |
| 03:03.42 | gen0cide | It has this : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VIA_C3 |
| 03:03.47 | gen0cide | 800 mhz |
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| 03:09.28 | gen0cide | while im in here, how do i make it so a script autoruns during boot time |
| 03:10.14 | gen0cide | I want "ifconfig ath0 up && ifconfig eth1 up && ifconfig eth1 192.168.3.1" to automagically to be entered when it boots |
| 03:10.17 | gen0cide | and a couple other commands |
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| 03:14.24 | qq- | put it in /etc/rc.local or /etc/init.d/* , for interfaces (eth1 ath0 ..) /etc/network/interfaces , and/ or/etc/network/if-up.d/- |
| 03:15.16 | qq- | gen0cide, sure may ask in #openwrt |
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| 03:15.48 | gen0cide | qq- : Can i put anycommand i want in in there? |
| 03:16.05 | gen0cide | Even if it desnt pertain to network interfaces |
| 03:16.20 | gen0cide | Say a command like "lspci" |
| 03:18.09 | qq- | try /etc/rc.local for that or only try something just said;) |
| 03:19.56 | gen0cide | ok |
| 03:20.01 | gen0cide | thanks ill try it |
| 03:20.10 | qq- | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:24.19 | gen0cide | I did apt-get -t lenny-backports install linux-image-686 |
| 03:24.39 | gen0cide | after i get the new kernel im going to have to recompile the madwifi driver huh |
| 03:25.13 | qq- | gen0cide, reboot in newer kernel first |
| 03:25.26 | gen0cide | ok after its all done |
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| 03:27.20 | gen0cide | should i only have to do "m-a auto-install madwifi" ? |
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| 03:28.08 | flaccid | hey guys is there a schedule for releasing squeeze? |
| 03:28.23 | qq- | gen0cide, m-a clean all , first |
| 03:28.30 | gen0cide | ok, thanks |
| 03:28.33 | qq- | flaccid, no |
| 03:28.47 | flaccid | any ETA, like rough is fine? |
| 03:28.58 | flaccid | weeks, months, years ? |
| 03:28.59 | qq- | 2012 |
| 03:29.10 | flaccid | haha i doubt it |
| 03:29.15 | flaccid | or is that for real? |
| 03:29.26 | qq- | no , i dunno |
| 03:29.40 | flaccid | all good. just looking for a ballpark.. |
| 03:29.43 | gen0cide | 2012 is when the world i ending so it wont really matter |
| 03:29.54 | gen0cide | heh |
| 03:29.58 | flaccid | hehe |
| 03:30.00 | qq- | flaccid, see later is , better is , (longer lenny support !!) |
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| 03:32.06 | peterrooney | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:32.15 | flaccid | what does that mean |
| 03:32.31 | gen0cide | I get this error: |
| 03:32.32 | gen0cide | Setting up firmware-linux-free (2.6.32-15~bpo50+1) ... |
| 03:32.32 | gen0cide | Setting up linux-image-686 (2.6.32+27~bpo50+1) ... |
| 03:32.32 | gen0cide | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 03:32.33 | gen0cide | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:32.33 | gen0cide | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
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| 03:32.39 | peterrooney | !wir |
| 03:32.39 | dpkg | well, wir is When It's Ready. See also <rsn> and <siyh>. |
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| 03:32.51 | gen0cide | opps |
| 03:33.09 | qq- | !tell gen0cide about paste |
| 03:33.23 | gen0cide | ok |
| 03:33.24 | gen0cide | heh |
| 03:33.40 | gen0cide | Should i just remove lighttpd, and reinstall it later? |
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| 03:34.18 | gen0cide | How would i uninstal lthat? |
| 03:34.23 | gen0cide | Btw, im learning a lot heh |
| 03:35.06 | gen0cide | its probally throwing up an error because i havent configured the config file yet |
| 03:35.19 | qq- | how was installed lighttpd ? by aptitude ? |
| 03:35.46 | qq- | !why aptitude |
| 03:35.46 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often find a solution where apt-get gives up. It can be used from the command line like apt-get plus an interactive resolver makes it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). |
| 03:36.08 | gen0cide | Ok i did this "apt-get --purge remove lighttpd" |
| 03:36.20 | gen0cide | ill reinstall it later |
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| 03:36.29 | flaccid | !siyh |
| 03:36.29 | dpkg | well, siyh is Sooner If You Help. How? http://qa.debian.org/ , http://wiki.debian.org/BSP |
| 03:36.30 | qq- | use aptitude dude |
| 03:36.33 | r3m | Hi, I configured a linux router (nat and firewall rules). Everything works fine. But if the rj45 cable get deconnected and I replug it and i try to ping this router from another machine in the lan, the ping doensnt work. I need to reboot the linux router to make it back. |
| 03:37.10 | karlpinc | r3m: What version of debian? |
| 03:37.21 | gen0cide | Is aptitude better? |
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| 03:37.31 | karlpinc | gen0cide: See above. |
| 03:37.35 | qq- | yes see above |
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| 03:37.50 | r3m | karlpinc well this is ubuntu 10.04 but people are better here than on ubuntu channel |
| 03:37.52 | gen0cide | Lol i see |
| 03:38.00 | gen0cide | ok ill use it from now on |
| 03:38.04 | karlpinc | !ubuntu |
| 03:38.05 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 03:38.23 | r3m | karlpinc: ok ... |
| 03:38.47 | karlpinc | r3m: I have debian based suggestions, but the won't work on ubuntu. |
| 03:39.17 | qq- | r3m, moment , can you paste for me your nat and firewall rules , thanks |
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| 03:40.19 | r3m | qq-: yes wait |
| 03:40.32 | qq- | r3m, i'll try a ubuntu config on debian , maybe so it work my debian router ;) |
| 03:41.03 | MeglaW | or broken. |
| 03:41.34 | karlpinc | qq-, r3m : Best to take your discussion elsewhere or someone will eventually get irritated and boot you from the channel. |
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| 03:43.30 | nvz | I have two debian Lenny boxes here, the netbook and the desktop, both running GNOME and avahi & pulseaudio are both running on both machines. I can send sound to the netbook from the desktop but not the other way around |
| 03:43.36 | nvz | I cannot for the life of me figure out why |
| 03:43.55 | gen0cide | I just installed a new kernel, and grub shows both versions, and i can boot from both versions in grub |
| 03:44.03 | gen0cide | How can i remove the old version? |
| 03:44.13 | r3m | karlpinc: can i have your debian suggestion |
| 03:44.21 | gen0cide | I know how to remove it in grub , i mean how can i purge the system of the old kernel? |
| 03:44.32 | gen0cide | Im limited on space, its only a 4gb CF card |
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| 03:45.25 | nvz | gen0cide: apt-get --purge remove |
| 03:45.56 | qq- | gen0cide, as usual , but make sure first that ALL is ok in 2.6.32 kernel ... |
| 03:45.57 | nvz | if it were a debian kernel update it would have just replaced it |
| 03:46.29 | qq- | !tell nvz why aptitude |
| 03:46.37 | qq- | !tell nvz about why aptitude |
| 03:47.05 | gen0cide | it boots a little faster |
| 03:47.07 | qq- | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:47.27 | nvz | tell qq- about been using debian much longer than aptitude has been around |
| 03:47.36 | qq- | gen0cide, so keep both for the tests period |
| 03:47.49 | nvz | and that factoid is irrelevant to a removal anyhow |
| 03:47.57 | gen0cide | how do i remove it though |
| 03:48.13 | gen0cide | just aptitude --purge remove ? |
| 03:48.31 | jetscreamer | !purge |
| 03:48.31 | dpkg | In Debian package management, "purge" means to completely wipe away a package, including its configuration files. Use 'aptitude purge [package]' or 'dpkg -P [package]' (note: you can't apt-get purge a package that is already removed; use aptitude or dpkg instead). To purge all "removed" packages: aptitude purge '~c'. To restore configuration files, ask me about <confmiss>. Also ask me about <why aptitude>. |
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| 03:48.55 | karlpinc | r3m: dmsg It could also be a udev problem, but I don't think so. |
| 03:48.57 | gen0cide | So how do i remove the old kernel? |
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| 03:49.22 | qq- | gen0cide, read above the factoid .. |
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| 03:50.34 | tuv | gen0cide: uninstall its package |
| 03:50.50 | qq- | !KISS |
| 03:50.50 | dpkg | from memory, kiss is Keep It Simple Stupid!!! |
| 03:51.04 | gen0cide | what would the old kernel be named |
| 03:51.07 | gen0cide | located* |
| 03:51.26 | tuv | gen0cide: linux-image-<kernel-version>-<arch> |
| 03:51.38 | gen0cide | where would it be located |
| 03:51.40 | gen0cide | ? |
| 03:51.56 | qq- | gen0cide, no use "aptitude purge linux-image-<kernel-version>-<arch>" |
| 03:51.56 | tuv | gen0cide: this is a package name. aptitude purge <package-name> |
| 03:52.21 | gen0cide | OK, but where is the old kernel located? |
| 03:52.28 | gen0cide | so i can find the name of it |
| 03:52.28 | tuv | gen0cide: why do you care? |
| 03:52.34 | tuv | gen0cide: it's in /boot |
| 03:52.38 | qq- | gen0cide, NEver , delete package by HANDS |
| 03:52.54 | gen0cide | lol |
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| 03:53.09 | qq- | gen0cide, you'll distroy your system |
| 03:53.40 | tuv | gen0cide: an easier way is to look for installed package whose name starts with linux-image: dpkg -l | grep linux-image |
| 03:54.45 | qq- | gen0cide, special then you are such a beginner ... |
| 03:54.54 | gen0cide | heh ya |
| 03:55.10 | gen0cide | I read about grep in a bash programming guide |
| 03:55.33 | gen0cide | aptitude purge linux-image-<kernel-version>-<arch> |
| 03:55.36 | gen0cide | whats arch? |
| 03:55.44 | qq- | 686 ? |
| 03:55.50 | gen0cide | i see |
| 03:55.59 | qq- | intel , amd64 .. |
| 03:56.19 | gen0cide | the old one is 2.6.26-2-686 |
| 03:56.24 | tuv | gen0cide: if you get the package name from 'dpkg -l | grep linux-image', you should be fine |
| 03:57.15 | tuv | unless it's a long package name :/ |
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| 03:57.54 | tuv | is unaware of an easy way to get long package names printed on the terminal |
| 03:58.20 | nvz | tab completion? |
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| 03:58.26 | gen0cide | aptitude sez that itll remove linux-image-2.6-686 but keep linux-2.6.26-2-686 |
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| 03:58.52 | gen0cide | when i do this aptitude purge linux-image-<kernel-version>-<arch> |
| 04:01.25 | gen0cide | i did it |
| 04:01.27 | qq- | gen0cide, joy of learning ! , |
| 04:01.30 | gen0cide | lol |
| 04:01.36 | gen0cide | im rebooting to see if it works |
| 04:01.40 | gen0cide | im scared |
| 04:01.53 | tuv | gen0cide: do you still have a kernel in /boot? |
| 04:02.15 | gen0cide | hey it works |
| 04:02.19 | gen0cide | tuv: ya the new one |
| 04:02.29 | tuv | gen0cide: is the old one gone from there? |
| 04:02.37 | qq- | gen0cide, all tests whit 2.6.32 are ok ? |
| 04:02.53 | nvz | rebooting without non-hot-swappable hardware failure is for sissies |
| 04:03.10 | gen0cide | ya all the stuff pertaining to the old kernel is gone |
| 04:03.17 | gen0cide | well theres a glitch when booting |
| 04:03.33 | qq- | wifi is ok ? |
| 04:03.45 | peterrooney | tuv: i use "COLUMNS=128 dpkg -l " |
| 04:03.45 | gen0cide | After it shows 4 or 5 lines, it goes back up the top screen, and overwrites the first 5 lines |
| 04:03.54 | gen0cide | but other than that it works |
| 04:03.59 | gen0cide | Im going to rebuild madwifi |
| 04:04.04 | nvz | sounds like a framebuffer issue |
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| 04:04.50 | gen0cide | could it be bad ram? |
| 04:05.01 | nvz | highly doubt it |
| 04:05.14 | tuv | peterrooney: good to know. thanks |
| 04:05.39 | nvz | unless you have an onboard video card the framebuffer wouldn't even likely be in ram |
| 04:06.13 | gen0cide | I just got an error |
| 04:06.16 | tuv | suspects it's the bootloader-to-kernel transition |
| 04:06.35 | gen0cide | for module assistant, it was going to download extra ma stuff |
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| 04:06.39 | nvz | yeah that could be it too |
| 04:07.08 | gen0cide | "Bad Luck, the kernel headers for the target kernel version could not be found and you did not specify other valid kernel headers to use." |
| 04:07.25 | gen0cide | when i did "m-a auto-install madwifi |
| 04:07.27 | gen0cide | " |
| 04:08.01 | tuv | gen0cide: been there before. reinstall the old kernel. reboot to it to use the old madwifi. install the missing headers. reboot to the new kernel. uninstall the old kernel again |
| 04:08.10 | tuv | catches his breadth |
| 04:08.14 | gen0cide | damniiiiiiiiiiiit |
| 04:08.43 | gen0cide | i dont want to do that |
| 04:08.52 | gen0cide | there has to be a lazier solution |
| 04:09.12 | tuv | hmm.. maybe download the headers.deb from another machine and install it manually? |
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| 04:10.14 | gen0cide | ill try this "apt-get install linux-headers-2.6.32.bpo.5-686" |
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| 04:11.23 | gen0cide | nope didnt work |
| 04:11.31 | qq- | 10 Jun 18 05:45<qq-> gen0cide, as usual , but make sure first that ALL is ok in 2.6.32 kernel ... < was about remove the 2.6.26 kernel |
| 04:11.40 | gen0cide | heh |
| 04:11.46 | gen0cide | I shouldnt of removed it |
| 04:11.51 | gen0cide | Wouldve been eaiser |
| 04:12.24 | tuv | gen0cide: oh it's trivial to install it back |
| 04:12.42 | gen0cide | ok so what should i do to get this working |
| 04:12.54 | tuv | gen0cide: look for the package deb in /var/cache/apt/archive |
| 04:13.08 | gen0cide | it was the 2.6.26-2-686 kernel |
| 04:13.51 | gen0cide | i dont have that directory |
| 04:13.54 | tuv | gen0cide: dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archive/linux-image-2.6.26-2-686*.deb <- how is this for spoonfeeding |
| 04:14.03 | qq- | gen0cide, a. but just stop ignore our message |
| 04:14.04 | gen0cide | heh |
| 04:15.22 | gen0cide | when i typed that, it says no such file or directory |
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| 04:16.02 | tuv | gen0cide: so the directory exists? |
| 04:16.19 | gen0cide | yes i have it, i just ls'd it |
| 04:16.39 | qq- | dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/linux-image-2.6.26-2-686*.deb |
| 04:16.39 | dpkg | installs /var/cache/apt/archives/linux-image-2.6.26-2-686*.deb into qq-'s head with a bone saw and a few screws |
| 04:16.54 | qq- | see /archives* |
| 04:17.11 | gen0cide | hey that worked |
| 04:17.17 | craigevil | aptitude -t lenny-backports install linux-headers-2.6.32-bpo.5-686 |
| 04:17.47 | craigevil | you have to specify backports |
| 04:18.08 | tuv | gen0cide: then i guess you may need to use another machine to download the headers deb from packages.debian.org, transfer it to the damned machine using a usb or a floppy ;), and install it using dpkg -i |
| 04:18.09 | gen0cide | its already installing the old kernel stuff |
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| 04:18.23 | gen0cide | heh |
| 04:18.27 | gen0cide | Im on my laptop |
| 04:18.46 | gen0cide | while doing fubaring up the thinclient im trying to get working heh |
| 04:19.08 | tuv | gen0cide: OR, use a wired connection, if that's an option |
| 04:19.36 | gen0cide | Dont have access to a wired connection |
| 04:19.42 | gen0cide | Its all wifi |
| 04:22.51 | gen0cide | After this is all done, I want to make the cf card read only so it doesnt die from all the writes |
| 04:23.00 | gen0cide | Is it hard to make it so its read only? |
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| 04:23.06 | gen0cide | something to do with ramFS? |
| 04:23.18 | StuckMojo | has anyone else noticed ssh connections dropping strangly after periods of inactivity in lenny? |
| 04:23.20 | gen0cide | so it puts the temp files in ram ? |
| 04:23.46 | StuckMojo | if my session from ubuntu to lenny sits idle for a bit, i can run a command or two when i get back to it, but then it drops unexpectedly |
| 04:24.07 | StuckMojo | oddly, seems like "vi filename" causes the drop pretty consistantly |
| 04:24.20 | StuckMojo | Write failed: Broken pipe |
| 04:24.25 | StuckMojo | dies with that |
| 04:26.59 | craigevil | gen0cide: google Using Linux with Solid State Drives, there are a few things you can tweak to reduce drive writes |
| 04:30.59 | gen0cide | pl |
| 04:31.02 | gen0cide | ok |
| 04:31.12 | gen0cide | Right now im downloading the new kernel stuff ffrom the old kernel |
| 04:31.32 | gen0cide | Im going to keep the old kernel till i finish testing, i.e. have the wifi driver working in the new kernel |
| 04:31.39 | gen0cide | I lernt a couple new things tonight heh |
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| 04:31.56 | gen0cide | craigevil: when i installed debian, i didnt create any swap partitions |
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| 04:32.32 | qq- | gen0cide, it's up to you to create swap |
| 04:32.50 | qq- | not to the installer |
| 04:33.56 | gen0cide | Im going to do this: but later: http://tombuntu.com/index.php/2008/09/04/four-tweaks-for-using-linux-with-solid-state-drives/ |
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| 04:43.22 | gbear14275 | So I'm just starting to work with debian and have installed debian out of the box with no default packages. Since then I have setup ssh with key based login, apache, mysql and php. It's all default configs right now but my question is. Out of the box is it safe to let this machine sit until I revisit it tomorrow (i know thats a subjective answer) specifically... Are there any default settings I need to make to a vanilla |
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| 04:44.41 | StuckMojo | gbear14275: i don't think so. debian is pretty good about tight security by default |
| 04:45.09 | StuckMojo | i take it it's open to the net? |
| 04:45.16 | gbear14275 | ok thanks StuckMojo. I thought so as well... but as I'm new... just wanted to confirm (trust but verify mindset) |
| 04:45.23 | gbear14275 | StuckMojo: yes |
| 04:45.59 | gbear14275 | StuckMojo: which I know is bad... for now, but would also like to be able to mess with it offsite potentially tomorrow |
| 04:46.52 | StuckMojo | well, if you want to be really safe, you could set up iptables and firewall off everything but port 22 for now |
| 04:47.01 | StuckMojo | or better yet, just shut down apache and mysql |
| 04:47.20 | StuckMojo | easier |
| 04:48.16 | gbear14275 | the iptables and firewall are todo's... but good call on shutting down those services |
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| 04:49.53 | StuckMojo | then you could run a netstat -ant |
| 04:50.02 | StuckMojo | to see if there's anything else listening on ports you don't know about |
| 04:51.19 | JairunCaloth | 0.o 203 updates |
| 04:51.24 | gbear14275 | whats tcp6? |
| 04:51.26 | gen0cide | Ok i got madwifi working with the newest kernel, and deleted the old kernel |
| 04:51.28 | gen0cide | thanks ! :) |
| 04:51.42 | qq- | !win gen0cide |
| 04:51.42 | dpkg | Congratulations, gen0cide! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 04:51.45 | gbear14275 | that ipv6 tcp? |
| 04:51.55 | qq- | !ipv6 |
| 04:51.55 | dpkg | Internet Protocol version 6 (IPv6) is the next-generation IP version designed to replace IPv4. Available in Debian since <potato>, full IPv6 support is a release goal for Squeeze. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIPv6 http://ipv6.debian.net/ http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Linux+IPv6-HOWTO/ http://www.ipv6.org/ #debian-ipv6 on irc.oftc.net, #ipv6 on irc.freenode.net. To disable IPv6 on your system, ask me about <noipv6>. |
| 04:52.01 | gbear14275 | does debian come ipv6 enabled out of the box? |
| 04:52.14 | qq- | yes |
| 04:52.16 | JairunCaloth | I imagine it does. but not sure |
| 04:52.22 | qq- | !noipv6 |
| 04:52.22 | dpkg | [noipv6] To disable use of <IPv6> on Lenny: echo install ipv6 /bin/true >> /etc/modprobe.d/local.conf (and reboot for the changes to take effect). From Squeeze onwards, IPv6 is built into the kernel, add the kernel command line option ipv6.disable=1 to your bootloader. |
| 04:53.01 | gbear14275 | thanks qq- |
| 04:53.05 | qq- | np |
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| 04:55.43 | gen0cide | lol bueaty contest |
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| 05:04.38 | StuckMojo | gbear14275: i just found a couple that were open that i didn't know about. portmap and statd |
| 05:04.51 | StuckMojo | so i set up entries in hosts.allow and .deny to close them off |
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| 05:05.32 | gbear14275 | StuckMojo: I'm going through this: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ch1.en.html |
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| 05:05.42 | StuckMojo | ah, good place to start |
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| 05:06.07 | gbear14275 | StuckMojo: and this too... but some of the links are broke :( http://www.cert.org/tech_tips/unix_configuration_guidelines.html |
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| 05:06.34 | StuckMojo | 3.5 Activate shadow passwords and MD5 passwords |
| 05:06.37 | StuckMojo | mmph. that looks old |
| 05:06.49 | gbear14275 | StuckMojo: namely - http://www.cert.org/tech_tips/intruder_detection_checklist.html |
| 05:07.42 | StuckMojo | the one time i got rooted, updatedb saved me |
| 05:07.54 | StuckMojo | it emailed me an error about a dir named ... |
| 05:08.12 | StuckMojo | this was back in like...96 or 97 |
| 05:08.25 | StuckMojo | redhat 5 IIRC |
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| 05:09.49 | gbear14275 | I've had a server get compromised... we wiped the whole thing then just started over again... thats when my roomie took over and withdrew my sudo priveleges (I figured out what happened was I invited a friend to help do some things on the box...told him to change his pass... he never changed the password I set for him "changeme"). So now I'm building one from scratch |
| 05:11.07 | gbear14275 | he's maintaining the production machine, i'm building the beta box |
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| 05:11.59 | gbear14275 | anyways... gotta crash. thanks for the help guys |
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| 05:17.21 | Birdy2323 | Hello, can someone please explain to me why most of my USB plugins apparently doesn't work/appear on debian 5? (xfce)... Digging around the system area, I can see my device name in it (sony usb drive), but it just doesn't show up on desktop (or anywhere) for me to make use of it. |
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| 05:18.30 | dpkg | from memory, usbmount is a script to automatically mount/umount USB drives as they are inserted/removed: http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/2004/10/msg00308.html ; aptitude install usbmount; does not support <vfat> filesystems by default. Read /usr/share/doc/usbmount/README for the reason and amend /etc/usbmount/usbmount.conf to enable. Also ask about <pmount>. |
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| 05:22.42 | gen0cide | well thanks for your guys help |
| 05:22.48 | gen0cide | Ill be back in here soon heh |
| 05:22.53 | gen0cide | kk gnight |
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| 05:46.54 | nsadmin | does gparted know how to resize a PV? |
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| 05:48.19 | Birdy2323 | Geee. |
| 05:48.35 | Birdy2323 | stalks dbdii407. *ribbit* |
| 05:48.48 | nsadmin | wonders never ceace. |
| 05:48.50 | nsadmin | does gparted know how to resize a PV? |
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| 06:02.49 | mordocai | Hmm... it looks like quite a bit of stuff will be uninstalled if I remove mono-runtime. (basically everything if i remove mono*). Is mono too ingrained into the system to be able to remove it safely? I mean, it says gnome will be removed -.-. Here's the list of things being removed by apt-get remove mono-runtime(and things no longer needed): http://pastebin.com/SUwDPmvD |
| 06:03.12 | mordocai | debian-testing with latest updates, by the way |
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| 06:04.43 | rozie | mordocai: don't know how it's with gnome |
| 06:04.47 | rww | mordocai: the "gnome" metapackage depends on several mono apps. Removing mono is removing the metapackage and thus marking the rest of gnome for autoremoval. |
| 06:05.07 | rozie | but kde is just metapackage and can be safely removed |
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| 06:05.25 | rozie | kdebase is crucial |
| 06:05.31 | mordocai | rww: Ah, okay. Well... guess in that case mono stays. I just didn't think i was using very many mono apps... |
| 06:05.36 | rww | mordocai: either mark the apps you want as manually installed, or use a different (less inclusive) gnome metapackage like gnome-desktop-environment or gnome-core |
| 06:05.48 | rww | mordocai: it's actually just tomboy, iirc. |
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| 06:07.19 | rww | and actually, if that's the case, you could probably slot gnote in there and keep the "gnome" package |
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| 06:08.46 | rozie | mordocai: wajig dependents mono-runtime |
| 06:08.54 | rozie | may be helpful |
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| 06:17.18 | Andy19781 | HI at all. On my lenny box I used gnome proxy settings to add my proxy server. Then I open a console, type "echo $http_proxy" an the output looks like "http://domain\user:password@172.16.10.61:80/" wget works, but aptitude not, it complains cannot connect to 2001:8d8:2:1:6564:a62:0:2 , i guess an ipv6 Adress? |
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| 06:21.34 | Andy19781 | so why does it tries to use ipv6 adresses? I played a while and added "blacklist ipv6" to /etc/modules/blacklist. Now wget, iceweasle still works, but aptitude now says ( i try to translate to english) couldn't create socket for 2001:8d8:... 97 (address not supported) [IP:2001:8d8:2... 80] |
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| 06:36.16 | simonrvn | Andy19781: /etc/sysctl.d/bindv6only.conf # take a look at that |
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| 06:40.26 | Andy19781 | simonrvn: /etc/sysctl.d/ is empty here |
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| 06:40.51 | simonrvn | hm ok |
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| 06:41.53 | Andy19781 | simonrvn: am I right, that aptitude shouldn't use ipv6 when ipv6 isn't loaded? |
| 06:42.17 | mordocai | Andy19781: Well... you might try doing #echo 'net.ipv6.bindv6only = 1' > /etc/sysctl.d/bindv6conly.conf. That's the value my install has, and it works... |
| 06:42.21 | simonrvn | if it's been configured to not load properly, yes. |
| 06:42.25 | simonrvn | !noipv6 |
| 06:42.25 | dpkg | [noipv6] To disable use of <IPv6> on Lenny: echo install ipv6 /bin/true >> /etc/modprobe.d/local.conf (and reboot for the changes to take effect). From Squeeze onwards, IPv6 is built into the kernel, add the kernel command line option ipv6.disable=1 to your bootloader. |
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| 06:50.23 | jpinx-eeepc | jelly's home ! |
| 06:50.27 | Andy19781 | hm, I try what dpkg suggested |
| 06:50.46 | reber | hi all. I have a filename with weird chars. Something like : document_p�cieux.doc. I can't rename them neither with cli or gui file managers. Any ideas ? |
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| 06:51.39 | Andy19781 | reber: any error messages when you use "mv" ? |
| 06:51.53 | jpinx-eeepc | reber: try to copy it as a new filename |
| 06:52.25 | jelly-home | reber: use a shell like bash or zsh with completion features, and the mv command |
| 06:52.38 | jpinx-eeepc | assumes a gui filemanager like pcmanfm |
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| 06:53.25 | Andy19781 | simonrvn: aptitude or apt-get still tries to use ipv |
| 06:53.34 | reber | jelly-home, Andy19781, jpinx-eeepc i cant even select it (with autocompletion), and others like dolphin says that the original file doesn't exists ... :-( |
| 06:54.13 | simonrvn | Andy19781: um, you need to reboot for some of that ^^^ |
| 06:54.20 | jelly-home | reber: use find, then. |
| 06:54.30 | Andy19781 | simonrvn: already done... :-) |
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| 06:55.16 | jpinx-eeepc | reber: I have fixed similar problems in pcmanfm by rightclicking and copying to the same window. pcmanfm then asks you to rename the copy |
| 06:55.37 | slava_dp | how much disk space should I need for a debian 5.0 install? |
| 06:55.42 | jpinx-eeepc | not sure about other gui filemanagers |
| 06:56.07 | simonrvn | slava_dp: depends |
| 06:56.11 | jpinx-eeepc | slava_dp: basic useable X is around 2 Gbs |
| 06:56.11 | Andy19781 | slava_dp: depends on ypur needs. X, apache, smaba? |
| 06:56.23 | reber | jpinx-eeepc, ok, i'm installing it right now and try it. |
| 06:56.35 | slava_dp | X, apache, samba, mysql, full gui + full server stack |
| 06:56.56 | jpinx-eeepc | slava_dp: make that 3 Gbs ;) |
| 06:57.08 | reber | jelly-home, find could not be very handy ... Lots of files have this problem |
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| 06:57.20 | slava_dp | ok, allocating 20 gigs then :D |
| 06:57.24 | slava_dp | (virtualbox) |
| 06:57.32 | jpinx-eeepc | slava_dp: overkill ;) |
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| 06:57.58 | simonrvn | uh, why would you want x on that? |
| 06:58.11 | reber | could it be a problem with accents ? and / or locales ? As i have this problem for all files with accents. |
| 06:58.32 | slava_dp | simonrvn, just testing out debian, I'm a slacker, want to try debian ways. |
| 06:58.35 | hetOrakel | hi, my gnome system monitor reports 55% mem usage while free -m shows that there's only 95MB free. Where can i find the difference? |
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| 06:58.41 | jelly-home | reber: were they at any point displayed corectly? |
| 06:58.41 | jpinx-eeepc | reber: try it is thai alphabet ;) |
| 06:59.18 | reber | jelly-home, no they aren't displayed correctly anywhere. |
| 06:59.27 | simonrvn | !free ram |
| 06:59.27 | dpkg | Unlike information, your computer's memory does *not* want to be free. Free RAM is wasted RAM! Linux tries to use free physical memory for caching files from disk which speeds up disk access considerably. Linux releases RAM from these caches if programs need it. If you want to know how much physical memory the free(1) tool says you have left for program use, it's 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache'. Also ask me about <swapwake>. |
| 06:59.41 | jelly-home | reber: I'm asking about the past. |
| 06:59.46 | slava_dp | http://www.linuxatemyram.com/ :-) |
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| 07:00.16 | reber | i'm using xfce4-terminal, but the same with mrxvt |
| 07:00.33 | jpinx-eeepc | linux is *meant* to eat RAM - that's what RAM is for :) |
| 07:00.52 | jelly-home | reber: how did you create those files? Who created them? Which OS? |
| 07:01.01 | jpinx-eeepc | reber: anyluck with pcmanfm ? |
| 07:01.27 | hetOrakel | yes, i know, but i'm trying to find out why gnome monitor thinks that there's 45% not used, which is not true.... |
| 07:01.28 | jpinx-eeepc | jelly-home: probably downloaded from email attachments - I get this all the time |
| 07:01.32 | jelly-home | reber: also, which filesystem are they on? |
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| 07:02.54 | reber | jelly-home, the problem is deeper, as my term doesn't display accents at all. Even on aptitude gui, etc. |
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| 07:03.15 | jelly-home | shrugs |
| 07:03.48 | jelly-home | reber: sorry, if you don't want to answer the questions, I can't help figuring out the reason and the correct approach |
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| 07:03.55 | jpinx-eeepc | reber: what language is your system in? |
| 07:03.56 | reber | np, thanks |
| 07:04.00 | jelly-home | hopefulyl someone else will step in |
| 07:04.21 | Andy19781 | is there a special apt/aptitude channel to get help? |
| 07:04.45 | reber | jpinx-eeepc, fr, and locales looks okay. |
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| 07:04.52 | jelly-home | Andy19781: not really, it's probably best to ask your distro channel |
| 07:05.09 | Andy19781 | jelly-home: this IS my distro channel.... |
| 07:05.14 | mzb | How do I get a machine without X to turn off the screen? [LCD] |
| 07:05.30 | mzb | the terminal goes blank after the normal timeout, but the screen stays on |
| 07:05.32 | jelly-home | Andy19781: ask away then! |
| 07:05.34 | mzb | (not a dpms code?) |
| 07:06.12 | Andy19781 | jelly-home: okay, I already asked 45min before |
| 07:06.17 | mzb | 'vbetool dpms off' works fine ... but then I've got to blind-type 'vbetool dpms on' |
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| 07:06.27 | karsten | Andy19781: You're in it. |
| 07:06.42 | jpinx-eeepc | reber: you might find someone in the french language channel who has fixed this |
| 07:06.45 | karsten | Andy19781: Repeat your question then. |
| 07:06.46 | jpinx-eeepc | !fr |
| 07:06.46 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net. |
| 07:06.51 | jelly-home | mzb: tried setterm? |
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| 07:07.08 | mzb | jelly-home: not yet, thanks for the suggestion |
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| 07:07.19 | Andy19781 | I have to use a proxy-server, set this with gnome settings. http_proxy=http://domain\username:password@server:80/ |
| 07:07.32 | Andy19781 | wget works, but aptitude tries to use ipv6 addresses |
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| 07:08.05 | qq- | !noipv6 |
| 07:08.05 | dpkg | [noipv6] To disable use of <IPv6> on Lenny: echo install ipv6 /bin/true >> /etc/modprobe.d/local.conf (and reboot for the changes to take effect). From Squeeze onwards, IPv6 is built into the kernel, add the kernel command line option ipv6.disable=1 to your bootloader. |
| 07:08.09 | Andy19781 | i tried to disable ipv6, now aptitude says ( i try to translate to english) couldn't create socket for 2001:8d8:... 97 (address not supported) [IP:2001:8d8:2... 80] |
| 07:08.22 | Andy19781 | qq-: yes, already done, and reboot |
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| 07:08.56 | karsten | Andy19781: Insteady of trying to translate to english: "export LANG=C" and you'll get default (C == english) locale. |
| 07:09.24 | jpinx-eeepc | qq-: as a matter of interest, from which kernel is IPv6 built in? |
| 07:09.37 | jelly-home | Andy19781: did you export that environment variable? How do you become root and does it variable keep its value? |
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| 07:10.28 | karsten | Andy19781: And generally for apt w/ proxy: http://blog.mypapit.net/2006/02/how-to-use-apt-get-behind-proxy-server-ubuntudebian.html |
| 07:10.28 | qq- | !tell jpinx-eeepc about ipv6 |
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| 07:11.58 | Ikarus | hrm, why does www.debian.org/security/ lag so badly behind the mailings ? |
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| 07:12.20 | Andy1978 | karsten: thank you for that tip: Err http://security.debian.org lenny/updates/contrib Sources Could not create a aocket for 2001:610:1908:a000::149:225 (f=10 t=1 p=6) - socket (97 Address family not supported by protocol) [IP:2001:... 80] |
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| 07:14.45 | karsten | Andy1978: Your problem appears to be ipv6, not apt w/ proxy. |
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| 07:17.24 | Andy1978 | karsten: wget works fine, if I clear http_proxy and connect to a net without proxy, apt-get works fine |
| 07:18.04 | Andy1978 | karsten: and as i mentioned, ipv6 is disabled, debian.pastebin.com/EVj8jjCD |
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| 07:18.50 | reber | jpinx-eeepc, it worked with pcmanfm thanks :) |
| 07:19.08 | reber | good idea to use this tool ! |
| 07:19.30 | jpinx-eeepc | reber: :) |
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| 07:22.45 | Andy1978 | karsten: any suggestions? |
| 07:23.13 | nvz | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:23.16 | nvz | haha |
| 07:23.47 | Andy1978 | karsten: it seems that aptitude or apt-get uses ipv6 if http_proxy is set? |
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| 07:29.35 | mzb | jelly-home: I'm not convinced that setterm works. I've loaded the video module, restarted acpid, and set setterm options ... will revisit |
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| 07:34.19 | mzb | err ... actually that may have worked |
| 07:34.25 | mzb | re-tests |
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| 07:36.03 | Andy1978 | karsten: I cleared the http_proxy env.var, created /etc/apt/apt.conf with "Acquire::http:Proxy "http:......", now apt-get works but wget and so on fails due to missing http_proxy.. dirty workaround... |
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| 07:41.31 | mzb | k, seems to be working (dual input LCD switches to 2nd input) |
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| 07:43.19 | karsten | Andy1978: Sorry, no, and I'm about to crash here. |
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| 07:53.48 | Andy1978 | karsten: I played a while and |
| 07:54.25 | Andy1978 | "env |grep -i http" as user andy shows my settings, but "sudo env|grep -i http" does not |
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| 07:56.44 | greenmang0 | Andy1978: sudo env shows root's settings |
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| 07:57.16 | Andy1978 | greenmang0: but why env shows the settings when I login as root? |
| 07:57.19 | alcohol | mornin' people |
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| 07:58.39 | Andy1978 | greenmang0: "sudo env" as user and "env" as root differs |
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| 08:01.58 | greenmang0 | Andy1978: ok.. |
| 08:03.09 | greenmang0 | Andy1978: it might have something to do with "login" shell and "non-login shell" |
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| 08:05.51 | greenmang0 | Andy1978: as a user "env" and "sudo env" and as a root "env" differs |
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| 08:09.01 | arthur | hi guys, looking for a program that restarts a python program if it dies/fails. any recommendations? |
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| 08:10.03 | the-dude | arthur: monit |
| 08:11.47 | luminoso | hi. what package provides "dig"? |
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| 08:12.22 | ansgar | luminoso: apt-file search bin/dig â dnsutils |
| 08:12.26 | Andy1978 | greenmang0: okay I understood that. But why does aptitude try to use ipv6 then? :-) |
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| 08:13.34 | luminoso | strange. i don't have "apt-file" |
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| 08:13.44 | rvsjoen | install it then |
| 08:15.00 | greenmang0 | Andy1978: what do you get when you do "aptitude update" ? |
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| 08:15.35 | jaalto | What is the easiest way to detect if current Linux is Debian (or Debian derived)? |
| 08:15.47 | shuerhaaken | hello. I'm preparing a package for debian and followed the standards for .desktop files but the icon is not shown. I used the Icon=myapp key and placed some icons myapp.svg myapp.png into the hicolor theme directory. Unfortunately, this didn't work. Howto debug something like that? |
| 08:15.52 | greenmang0 | Andy1978: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=99542 |
| 08:16.00 | ansgar | Andy1978: apt-get should fallback to IPv4 when connecting via IPv6 fails. |
| 08:16.17 | jaalto | Should I just test exixtence of /usr/bin/dpkg ? |
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| 08:17.53 | EagleScreen | hi |
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| 08:18.33 | EagleScreen | default Debian squeeze install has installed python2.5 and python2.6, what sense has having both of them installed? |
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| 08:19.48 | katano | hello, this morning i got offered an update in apt "Get:1 http://security.debian.org stable/updates/main sudo 1.6.9p17-3 [176kB] " but i don't see any info in debian-security-announce that this got released, is this a true update or am i beeing redirected to somethign else ? |
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| 08:21.02 | greenmang0 | EagleScreen: `aptitude why python2.6' might help |
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| 08:23.12 | ropstun | is there a package for Livestation for watching c-span video? |
| 08:23.18 | starenka | i set my grub(1) timeout to 0, but i accidentally make deafult the mem test, how can i get to grub menu to edit it? i've tried edit the grub menu.lst on other comuputer but no avail :( |
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| 08:24.07 | puckyd | hello is there anybody out there who has some problems with the free radeo driver? |
| 08:24.39 | LetoPoole | puckyd: I had, what's your problem? and your card. Mine is x1250 |
| 08:24.43 | LetoPoole | RS690, I think |
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| 08:26.35 | puckyd | I have a x1300 in my thinkpad T60. And there is virtually no 3D accelleration |
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| 08:27.44 | puckyd | I have not acces right now. But I watsched the Xorg-log and there was a message about no dri |
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| 08:27.53 | jpinx-eeepc | starenka: ThereÅ a grub-config or similar command |
| 08:28.18 | starenka | jpinx-eeepc: can i run it form other machine w/ disk mounted? |
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| 08:29.04 | starenka | i can't boot into linux now, i have deafult to memtest and timeout=0, tried editing menu.lst on oother machine, but it doesn't work |
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| 08:29.56 | LetoPoole | puckyd: do you have the packages linux-firmware and linux-firmware installed? |
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| 08:30.08 | LetoPoole | puckyd: also, KMS activates DRI2, not DRI |
| 08:30.21 | LetoPoole | puckyd: KMS is still not workign that great for me yet |
| 08:30.45 | LetoPoole | puckyd: try disabling in /etc/modprobe.d/radeon... by inserting a 0 where there is a 1, and rebooting |
| 08:30.55 | LetoPoole | you need the firmware for acceleration |
| 08:31.22 | LetoPoole | as wel |
| 08:31.24 | LetoPoole | l |
| 08:31.55 | puckyd | thanks alot. I cannot try it right now, but will when I come home |
| 08:31.56 | EagleScreen | q |
| 08:32.14 | LetoPoole | puckyd: sorry, I meant firmware-linux and firmware-linux-nonfree |
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| 08:33.54 | LetoPoole | puckyd: you are welcome :) |
| 08:34.12 | puckyd | what is firmware-linux-nonfree? |
| 08:34.59 | Argafal | puckyd: binary blobs for propriertary hardware. |
| 08:35.22 | Argafal | e.g. tg3, rt2500usb, iwlagn, .... |
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| 08:35.35 | puckyd | this means the radeon driver doesn't run free at all? |
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| 08:40.08 | grand_grunt | puckyd: yes and no. There is no proprietary stuff running on your CPU (driver is libre), but you have to put the proprietary firmware in Ati card |
| 08:40.22 | grand_grunt | Same as many wifi chipsets. |
| 08:42.42 | petern_ | your BIOS is probably proprietory... |
| 08:42.51 | themill | puckyd: wind back 5 years and this "firmware" would have been embedded on the device itself and you'd have never known about it unless you desperately needed to upgrade it, and then you'd have found that the firmware upgrader was only available for certain operating systems and that you also risked bricking your device in the process. |
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| 08:47.41 | puckyd | firmware @ wifi chipsets make sense. otherwise I need to have a amateur radio licence in order to make wifi |
| 08:48.22 | puckyd | I gues this gfx firmware owns the procedures for mesa and other thinks, which makes the chipset unique |
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| 08:59.08 | johan_ | I have a question about the shell: I need to convert some sound files to mp3 so I do something like: "for name in `ls | grep wav`; do lame $name; done", however the shell seems to separate the filenames (which contain spaces) and use the spaces as delimiters. Is there any way I can force it to use the newline only as a delimiter, or otherwise solve my problem? |
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| 09:00.37 | petemc | johan_: quote $name |
| 09:00.55 | petemc | or use something like ls *.wav | while read ; do lame "$REPLY" ; done |
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| 09:03.36 | johan_ | That did the trick petemc! Thank you |
| 09:04.33 | petern_ | for name in *.wav; do lame $name; done |
| 09:04.47 | petern_ | eh, with quotes around $name |
| 09:05.18 | johan_ | why quotes petern? I'm not questioning you, just curious |
| 09:05.46 | petern_ | because 'lame file name with spaces.wav' is not the same as 'lame "file name with spaces.wav"' |
| 09:06.08 | johan_ | aha, *.wav expands to "the-first-file-to-end-in.wav" |
| 09:06.45 | petern_ | *.wav expands to all files ending with .wav |
| 09:07.25 | Dewi | petern_: you probably want quotes around that too, wouldn't you? |
| 09:07.46 | Dewi | petern_: or... not, cause that will break the wildcard |
| 09:07.56 | Dewi | petern_: this is why I normally use xargs |
| 09:08.10 | petern_ | no, quotes there wouldn't work |
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| 09:08.49 | petern_ | xargs requires all sorts of options to not suffer from the spaces issue as well |
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| 09:09.15 | Dewi | petern_: oh I see, since 'for' is a builtin it knows which ones are the real spaces |
| 09:09.57 | johan_ | I got the answers I need, thank you! |
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| 09:17.19 | bjoernb | hi |
| 09:18.48 | Andy1978 | is it possible to configure apache2 that it uses TCPWrapper (/etc/hosts.allow/deny)? |
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| 09:19.06 | bjoernb | i have too small font in debian. xdpyinfo|grep -B1 dot is returning dimensions: 1440x900 pixels (381x238 millimeters) resolution: 96x96 dots per inch |
| 09:19.37 | bjoernb | however the font in emacs is tiny, although it is set to 10. |
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| 09:20.08 | bjoernb | normally i work at font size 7 but this is tinyier than 7. |
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| 09:20.23 | bjoernb | where to fix the font size? |
| 09:20.25 | OpenTokix | 7? |
| 09:20.31 | OpenTokix | Are a crazy? =) |
| 09:20.44 | bjoernb | OpenTokix: not at all. |
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| 09:21.46 | bjoernb | how do i set the resolution to 100dpi from 96 dpi? |
| 09:22.36 | ddnc | Hi guys, can someone suggest a pastebin like webapp to install on a intranet lenny webserver? |
| 09:22.56 | ddnc | bjoernb: do you use a desktop environment like Gnome/KDE? |
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| 09:24.33 | bjoernb | ddnc: i am using a window manager (xmonad) |
| 09:24.47 | bjoernb | ddnc: but i am using some gnome and kde applications too. |
| 09:25.09 | bjoernb | i am using gdm3 as login manager. |
| 09:25.24 | Ahri | i'm hoping to install php 5.3 on my debian/lenny installation, but searching the web for "debian php 5.3" brings up information that's a year out of date. is php 5.3 in testing or unstable? |
| 09:26.46 | pingouin | Ahri: 5.3.2-1 in testing |
| 09:26.49 | ddnc | bjoernb: for the Gnome applications I think you need the gconf stuff, there's a way to pass the dpi option if you launch startx directly, probably you can set it too via your ~/.fonts.conf file too |
| 09:27.02 | pingouin | Ahri: http://packages.debian.org/search?suite=squeeze&searchon=names&keywords=php5 |
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| 09:27.28 | Ahri | pingouin: excellent, thanks a lot! |
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| 09:28.57 | pcav | sh GoogleEarthLinux.bin |
| 09:28.57 | pcav | Verifying archive integrity... All good. |
| 09:28.57 | pcav | Uncompressing Google Earth for GNU/Linux 5.2.1.1329.............................................................. |
| 09:28.57 | pcav | setup.data/setup.xml:1: parser error : Document is empty |
| 09:28.57 | pcav | ^ |
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| 09:29.14 | bjoernb | ddnc: i try to set the dpi to 100. brb |
| 09:29.19 | ddnc | bjoernb: IIRC with older versions of X you could set DPI inside /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
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| 09:29.40 | icebrain | ddnc: paste.debian.net has the source under AGPL 3: http://git.snow-crash.org/?p=paste.pl.git |
| 09:29.47 | ddnc | bjoernb: don't recall if it's still possible with recent versions |
| 09:29.56 | pingouin | bjoernb: which are you dpi set now ? |
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| 09:30.07 | ddnc | icebrain: thanks for the tip |
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| 09:31.29 | bjoernb | ddnc: i tried setting the dpi in /etc/X11/xorg.conf to 100 via DisplaySize in the monitor section, but it did not work. |
| 09:31.38 | pcav | http://pastebin.com/QMVqvu1c |
| 09:31.43 | pcav | any hint? |
| 09:31.44 | bjoernb | pingouin: it is set to 96dpi |
| 09:32.48 | pingouin | so it's you monitor default for a resolution i guess, you dont like it ?! |
| 09:33.28 | ddnc | bjoernb: try looking here: http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/HowToRandR12 |
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| 09:34.25 | pingouin | bjoernb: in xorg.conf section monitor you have to add an : Option "DPI" "96 x 96" |
| 09:34.38 | pingouin | change dpi for what you want for sure |
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| 09:37.15 | Smiley | Hey guys, can you suggest a good command line bt client? |
| 09:37.17 | bjoernb | ddnc: that does not help. |
| 09:37.22 | Smiley | my friend is having issues with curl :< |
| 09:37.27 | bjoernb | Smiley: rtorrent |
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| 09:38.37 | flourish | hi all, question about howto calculate time about a video. Because i have some video courses, and want to calculate total time of certain course. And idea |
| 09:38.53 | petern_ | transmissioncli |
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| 09:39.36 | bjoernb | pingouin: perhaps it is the wrong trace. i have a new install. on the installation before there where no font problems, and i do not remember to have touched /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 09:40.05 | ddnc | bjoernb: if you try "startx -- -dpi 100" changes something? |
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| 09:40.11 | linusoleander | I want to create an user that only can see there own processes when running ps aux |
| 09:40.20 | linusoleander | Is that possible? |
| 09:40.47 | ddnc | bjoernb: if so i think you can pass it using /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc file |
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| 09:42.16 | wfq | hi guys |
| 09:43.15 | bjoernb | ddnc: the startx-thingie worked fine |
| 09:45.34 | bjoernb | ddnc: i still want to use gdm3. how do i tell gdm3 to work like startx did with the resolution? |
| 09:45.57 | Chris___ | Anyone have any good tips for getting facebook photo uploader to play nice? I'm installing sun-java6-bin, sun-java6-jre, and sun-java6-plugin right now, but that'd be too nice if it "just worked" |
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| 09:47.44 | ddnc | bjoernb: I don't know how to pass parameters to X when using GDM3 (a couple weeks ago I was looking how to start X on head :1) but I took notes to use /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc (I did not tried yet ^_^) |
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| 09:48.39 | bjoernb | ddnc: thanks |
| 09:48.43 | ddnc | bjoernb: I suppose /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc should be desktop manager agnostic |
| 09:48.50 | ddnc | bjoernb: np |
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| 09:50.31 | petern_ | Chris___, works fine here with that lot |
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| 09:51.24 | Chris___ | petern_: got me a rather nasty looking error: http://pastebin.com/byNvNqy1 |
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| 09:51.53 | _KaszpiR_ | http://forums.unrealircd.com/viewtopic.php?t=6562 |
| 09:53.06 | petern_ | Chris___, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=560044 |
| 09:53.54 | bjoernb | ddnc: the setting in /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc gets ignored |
| 09:54.49 | wfq | do you know where I can find a pre-built usb debian installer for intel 32x machines? I have downloaded http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/installer-i386/current/images/hd-media/ and my computer seems not able to read it. I set the usb as the first choice to boot but still nothing |
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| 09:56.37 | ddnc | bjoernb: I'm reading the startx man page, two files are mentioned: xinitrc and xserverrc |
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| 09:58.05 | ddnc | bjoernb: you have modified xserverrc in something like this ""exec /usr/bin/X -dpi 100 -nolisten tcp "$@" right? (notice I didn't included the --) |
| 09:58.52 | Lazy^ | Hello, how i can alter arp-table refresh time ? |
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| 10:00.52 | IRan | hi, i cant access to my server Via Putty any idea ? |
| 10:01.12 | ddnc | IRan: firewall? |
| 10:01.19 | IRan | no router |
| 10:01.32 | Bushmills | IRan: run sshd on server |
| 10:01.39 | IRan | i did that |
| 10:01.42 | bjoernb | ddnc: i set it to -dpi 100, yes. |
| 10:01.58 | IRan | my router will change the ip to 192.168.* |
| 10:02.14 | Bushmills | IRan: figure out what the reason is that you can't access server |
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| 10:02.42 | abchirk | maybe different port |
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| 10:03.15 | IRan | no idea, |
| 10:03.36 | IRan | ill get back to you folks if i find it, thaks |
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| 10:11.27 | HackeMate | hello |
| 10:11.40 | HackeMate | when will squeeze convert in stable? |
| 10:11.41 | bjoernb | bbl |
| 10:11.51 | lindi- | HackeMate: when it's ready |
| 10:11.58 | HackeMate | ok |
| 10:12.11 | HackeMate | should i ask when it will be ready, or you will respond when it will be ended |
| 10:12.12 | HackeMate | heh |
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| 10:12.19 | HackeMate | ok, i'll wait |
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| 10:14.55 | ddnc | bjoernb: sorry, no other idea at the moment |
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| 10:17.25 | lindi- | HackeMate: it'll be ready when the counter at bugs.debian.org/release-critical reaches zero |
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| 10:18.45 | HackeMate | good answer, thanks lindi- |
| 10:18.49 | HackeMate | i dont knew that |
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| 10:21.04 | lindi- | HackeMate: you can see the previous releases in the graph if you look closely |
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| 10:32.15 | lilith | hi all |
| 10:32.32 | Voldenet | all welcome you |
| 10:32.58 | Caelum | is it possible to make aptitude install recommended packages when you safe-upgrade? |
| 10:34.18 | lilith | do the nv and nvidia share the same xorg.conf options? |
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| 10:35.42 | lilith | I looked at the xorg page and didn't see much info or any on nv options. I even used their search utility |
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| 10:37.21 | Caelum | lilith: there's a manpage I think if you install the driver |
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| 10:38.37 | lilith | yes I see that and there's info on the options. thanks |
| 10:39.04 | rohinoor | fas |
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| 10:42.56 | rohinoor | um, hi, i have no questions to ask, put where can i get links to newbie devian pages? |
| 10:43.06 | rohinoor | msg dpkg and what? |
| 10:43.09 | Voldenet | http://google.pl |
| 10:43.20 | Voldenet | man dpkg |
| 10:43.41 | Voldenet | or google.com |
| 10:43.51 | rohinoor | ... and of course, linux in general |
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| 10:44.51 | rohinoor | more like linuxcommand.org - i like the sites where there're exercises i can play through |
| 10:47.19 | Caelum | rohinoor: the debian wiki is quite good |
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| 10:51.01 | Caelum | rohinoor: you can learn a lot from irc too, hang out here and on some other linux/admin chans |
| 10:51.12 | Caelum | rohinoor: like #bash |
| 10:54.24 | qq- | and practice ... |
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| 10:59.58 | dsv | how can i see the md5 of a specific pkg? |
| 11:00.16 | dsv | non installed pkg. meaning from the web |
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| 11:02.40 | lindi- | dsv: source or binary? |
| 11:02.55 | dsv | lindi-, binary |
| 11:03.22 | lindi- | dsv: just calculate it with "md5sum foo.deb"? |
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| 11:03.53 | dsv | lindi-, i dont want that kind of binary , i want the binary contained in the deb |
| 11:04.07 | dsv | the actual program that gets installed under /usr/bin/ |
| 11:04.16 | lindi- | dsv: then you dpkg-deb --extract it |
| 11:04.52 | dsv | lindi-, is there a universal utility for other distros to extract debs? because the desktop is arch and the server is debian |
| 11:05.01 | dsv | and i need to check from my desktop |
| 11:05.12 | nevyn | dv-: alien |
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| 11:06.28 | lindi- | dsv: well it's a valid ar archive |
| 11:07.03 | lindi- | dsv: so if you really prefer doing it without the normal tools you can "ar x foo.deb" |
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| 11:28.48 | hid3nax | Hello everyone. I'm trying to set up a (official) debian mirror. What 'RSYNC_PATH' should I define in the 'ftpsync.conf' config file? I left that one commented out but it seens that causes it to clone *all* the remote site with all the mirrors there (syncinc with ftp.pl.debian.org) |
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| 11:35.02 | hid3nax | Anyone alive? Or is debian no more pupular? :( |
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| 11:37.13 | silidan | hi, i screwed up my grub installation, now i booted into ubuntu 9.04 live cd, how can i fix my grub installatio on the harddisk, any links to solutions hints or whatever? |
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| 11:37.29 | Voldenet | silidan: post ur grub.cfg |
| 11:37.31 | Voldenet | on pastebin |
| 11:38.01 | Voldenet | or menu.lst |
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| 11:38.15 | aitiba | hi |
| 11:38.23 | craigevil | !tell silidan about reinstall grub |
| 11:39.18 | Voldenet | ;-D |
| 11:39.24 | Voldenet | grub |
| 11:39.26 | Voldenet | then |
| 11:39.38 | Voldenet | find /boot/grub/grub.cfg |
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| 11:39.46 | Voldenet | root (hdX,X) |
| 11:39.48 | Voldenet | setup (hd0) |
| 11:39.49 | abrotman | Voldenet: stop already |
| 11:39.50 | Voldenet | reboot |
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| 11:40.09 | Voldenet | Yes sir. |
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| 11:42.18 | nsadmin | so the newer grub shell has a find? |
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| 11:45.02 | abrotman | he never said he was using grub2 |
| 11:45.24 | floh_` | Hi |
| 11:46.52 | Voldenet | In fact, he said nothing except he messed sth up. |
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| 11:55.01 | Jckf|Work | Give me a verb that describes that act of saying something is uninteresting |
| 11:55.05 | Jckf|Work | *the act |
| 11:56.08 | abrotman | Jckf|Work: ##English |
| 11:56.46 | nsadmin | to bore |
| 11:56.49 | silidan | ok back... |
| 11:57.01 | nsadmin | but that also describes doing something uninteresting |
| 11:57.08 | Jckf|Work | I don't bore if I find you uninteresting |
| 11:57.15 | Jckf|Work | But thanks. I'm in the other channel now |
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| 11:57.46 | project2501a | hey guys, i'm trying to install the nvidia driver in squeeze |
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| 11:58.01 | abrotman | !pal project2501a |
| 11:58.01 | dpkg | points at project2501a and laughs uproariously |
| 11:58.06 | silidan | ok i upgraded grub and now i get unaligned pointer error from grub... so now i am here on a ubuntu 9.04 64 bit life cd and trying to find out how to be able to boot something from my harddisk... |
| 11:58.11 | project2501a | abrotman: ? :( |
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| 11:58.38 | abrotman | silidan: did you see what the bot told you? |
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| 11:58.54 | abrotman | silidan: you're leaving out a lot of details .. like which version of grub it is .. which kernel, stuff like that |
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| 11:59.02 | askvictor | is there a way to force a USB device to use a particular module/driver without resorting to the source? |
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| 11:59.06 | silidan | abrotman: yes, but the commands mentioned there dont help, grub on my system seems to use another syntax... |
| 11:59.23 | project2501a | i'm looking for the source for 2.6.32 and the kernel headers for 2.6.32-5 but apt-cache comes up empty :( |
| 11:59.24 | abrotman | which is why details are important |
| 11:59.32 | silidan | abrotman: thats cause i dont know, when you tell me how i can find out now ill tell you |
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| 11:59.53 | abrotman | silidan: do even know which version of debian it was ? |
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| 12:00.11 | project2501a | n/m |
| 12:00.14 | silidan | abrotman: yes, it was the latest grub version i got out of sid repo :) |
| 12:00.23 | abrotman | silidan: bugs.debian.org/grub-pc ? |
| 12:00.31 | silidan | yes mentioned there |
| 12:00.47 | abrotman | fix there? |
| 12:01.12 | silidan | yea kinda... reinstall older grub, and reboot, but how can i reinstall olde grub is not mentioned there... |
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| 12:01.43 | silidan | i tryed to chroot into my debian partition and run grub-install... but that didnt work... |
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| 12:07.03 | craigevil | !tell project2501a about nvidia dkms |
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| 12:08.24 | project2501a | craigevil: thanks |
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| 12:12.32 | sk4 | dpkg: virtualbox |
| 12:12.32 | dpkg | VirtualBox is a virtual machine solution. VirtualBox Open Source Edition (OSE) is packaged for Debian. To install, ask me about <vbox-install lenny>, <vbox-install bpo>, or <vbox-install squeeze>. http://wiki.debian.org/VirtualBox http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/User_FAQ http://www.virtualbox.org/ #vbox on irc.freenode.net. See also <vbox manual>, <vbox guest-utils>, <vbox-ose vs vbox>, <vdi>, <virtualization>. |
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| 12:13.42 | Azalis | what would be the recommended jre,oracle or via openJDK? |
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| 12:14.45 | robertg | hey there |
| 12:15.38 | lagrotta | hi |
| 12:17.28 | robertg | I'm trying to preseed a lenny install with network install iso. The installer fails during apt-configuration "...apt to install additional packages from the cd failed". Any hints? |
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| 12:56.53 | drizzt_ | anyone has ATI x800-x1300 card? |
| 12:57.00 | djura-san | o/ |
| 12:57.29 | themill | drizzt_: in any case, regardless of which channel you ask, you need to ask a real question. /msg dpkg ask |
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| 13:04.44 | Tass_ | I'm trying to pair pam_mount and sshfs, but the other maching keeps telling me 'Failed password for ...' |
| 13:05.05 | Tass_ | the sshfs command works like that if executed from the console |
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| 13:10.38 | robertg | ok, problem persists when doing an interactive install. funny. |
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| 13:11.34 | kamathln_ | bug number* 561243 |
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| 13:28.11 | alfadir | hi, the installer kernel 2.6.30 eth0 driver is buggy Atheros 1lc.. installing via usb stick, are there alternatives ? can i build a static kernel or does it has to match the initrd for the installer ? the stick has the netinst.iso and vmlinuz and initrd... on it |
| 13:28.21 | alfadir | 2.6.32+ recomended |
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| 13:30.12 | Tass_ | alfadir, use archlinux *duck&run* |
| 13:30.21 | alfadir | Tass_: hehe.. |
| 13:30.53 | mathrick | hey, I'm trying to set up a private apt repo, and that's working fine, but apt refuses to read the Release info from it, preventing the pins from working |
| 13:31.03 | jordanm | alfadir: where did you get an installer .30? |
| 13:31.07 | alfadir | is there a debian-installer channel |
| 13:31.13 | mathrick | are there any special requirements to have the Release info honoured? |
| 13:31.14 | alfadir | on debian homepage |
| 13:31.29 | alfadir | maybe i got it wrong ? the vmlinuz for hd-media |
| 13:31.39 | jordanm | alfadir: current stables uses .26 and the squeeze alfa was using .32-trunk last I used it |
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| 13:31.48 | jordanm | s/alfa/alpha |
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| 13:32.06 | alfadir | http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/main/installer-amd64/current/images/hd-media/ |
| 13:32.14 | alfadir | ok .. h mm uname showed 30.. |
| 13:32.15 | alfadir | strange.. |
| 13:32.28 | alfadir | well well will find squeeze alfa |
| 13:32.45 | jordanm | alfadir: if you need those netboot images, those are likely the only ones for testing |
| 13:33.04 | jordanm | and probably just haven't been updated along with standard ISOs |
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| 13:36.25 | alfadir | jordanm: well a netbook with only usb.. well can take a largetr iso as well |
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| 13:39.03 | mathrick | http://pastebin.com/gXd5sgqZ |
| 13:39.11 | mathrick | here's the config / results I'm getting |
| 13:39.19 | mathrick | can anyone see what I'm doing wrong? |
| 13:39.53 | cheloz | hi |
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| 13:40.08 | cheloz | what happen debian repository? |
| 13:40.15 | cheloz | i cant install xorg |
| 13:40.23 | mathrick | cheloz: elaborate? |
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| 13:40.30 | mathrick | what error are you getting when trying to do what? |
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| 13:41.40 | cheloz | not error |
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| 13:42.48 | cheloz | apt-cache search xorg ??? no list drivers |
| 13:42.52 | cheloz | wtf? |
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| 13:43.00 | abrotman | cheloz: put your /etc/apt/sources.list in a pastebin |
| 13:43.12 | cheloz | sorry |
| 13:43.36 | cheloz | have only console |
| 13:44.04 | cheloz | reconfigure systen with netinstall |
| 13:44.06 | cheloz | mm |
| 13:44.09 | cheloz | sorry |
| 13:44.14 | jelly-home | !pastebinit |
| 13:44.14 | dpkg | [pastebinit] a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>; convenient if you don't have a graphical interface. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit". In lenny, use "pastebinit -b http://yourpaste.net", because it's broken for most other sites (#572728). |
| 13:44.38 | cheloz | ok thank |
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| 13:45.34 | jelly-home | hmph, someone replaced eg. with e.g. again. |
| 13:46.55 | mathrick | ghrrr, I can see the Release files are being accessed, but they're not saved |
| 13:47.04 | mathrick | unlike for every other repo in my sources.list |
| 13:47.20 | mathrick | can that be related to me not signing them? |
| 13:47.32 | mathrick | but then, why'd it trust Packages, but not Release? That makes no sense |
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| 13:50.27 | jordanm | !factinfo pastebinit |
| 13:50.28 | dpkg | pastebinit -- created by CutMeOwnThroat <n=k@c-24-14-34-88.hsd1.il.comcast.net> at Sat Nov 15 23:10:38 2008 (579 days); last modified at Thu Apr 15 13:58:27 2010 by jelly!~jelly@lan.iskon.hr; it has been requested 228 times, last by jelly-home, 6m 13s ago. |
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| 13:51.43 | jelly-home | hmph, someone forgot to correct those nasty e.g. again. |
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| 13:53.55 | jelly-home | !pastebinit =~ s/e.g./eg./g |
| 13:53.55 | dpkg | jelly-home: OK |
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| 13:55.03 | jelly-home | jordanm: that mtime is _very_ wrong, I changed it this week |
| 13:55.04 | abrotman | jelly-home: it is e.g. |
| 13:55.10 | jelly-home | abrotman: nowai |
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| 13:55.33 | abrotman | yes .. it is .. it's for Exempli Gratia |
| 13:55.37 | abrotman | something like that |
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| 13:56.03 | jpinx-eeepc | e.g. is short for exempli gratia, so full stops are correct :) |
| 13:56.09 | abrotman | where's peterS .. he speaks latin |
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| 13:56.25 | jpinx-eeepc | did lating a long time ago... |
| 13:56.31 | abrotman | helix did too |
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| 13:56.43 | jpinx-eeepc | latin .. even |
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| 13:57.01 | Cain | wikipedia did too ==> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E.g.#exempli_gratia |
| 13:57.02 | jelly-home | !pastebinit =~ s/eg./e.g./g |
| 13:57.02 | dpkg | jelly-home: OK |
| 13:57.53 | pronk | Just safe-upgraded squeeze and it said to to say yes to upgrading ata partition names to make it available to new kernel. I said yes and then it also updated the kernel but now at reboot it can't find root partition |
| 13:58.04 | pronk | it ends with: can't find tty (initramfs) |
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| 13:58.09 | jelly-home | abrotman: I know what it expands to, but was quite sure the spelling was the nonintuitive one I remembered, oh well |
| 13:58.16 | abrotman | ah okay |
| 13:58.16 | pronk | what now? |
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| 13:58.52 | abrotman | can you use the grub prompt to find it manually ? |
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| 13:59.49 | pronk | it goes through yaboot |
| 14:00.06 | pronk | before searching root |
| 14:00.42 | Master_User | hi my sound dont work in debian can you help me fix it? |
| 14:01.03 | jpinx-eeepc | !tell Master_User about alsa-checklist |
| 14:01.20 | jpinx-eeepc | Master_User: try that for starters ;) |
| 14:01.32 | Master_User | kk thx :) |
| 14:02.11 | Saliven | hi all... Is something wrong with the newest testing build or is it just me? When installing, i cant connect to any mirror. The setup downloaded few files before the mirror choosing. Why could that be plse? |
| 14:03.35 | omry | I need a little favor testing my server speed from a few different locations, anyone got a moment to help me with it (I will need you to run iperf against it). if anyone cares to help, please pm me. |
| 14:04.12 | Saliven | I would like to but i cant access my laptop because of the installation problems |
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| 14:04.24 | Saliven | any way to help you from windows? |
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| 14:05.15 | omry | Saliven, hmm, I think so : iperf got a windows download (google iperf) |
| 14:05.31 | Master_User | jpinx-eeepc now i am in step 2 but i dont have alsamixer? |
| 14:05.53 | Saliven | got it... |
| 14:05.57 | Saliven | omry |
| 14:06.10 | Master_User | fail to open alsamixer |
| 14:06.24 | omry | Saliven, sent you a pm. |
| 14:06.24 | jpinx-eeepc | !tell Master_User about alsa |
| 14:06.47 | Master_User | ^^ funy this bot |
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| 14:07.21 | jelly-home | omry: can you accept 100Mbps inbound? |
| 14:07.42 | omry | jelly-home, probably not. but iperf is tcp. it will adjust. |
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| 14:15.13 | pronk | abrotman: can I repair squeeze ata partition names with a lenny install CD? |
| 14:15.20 | Saliven | anyone able to help me please? (I cannot connect to any mirror during instal though some files were downloaded before the choosing part) |
| 14:15.43 | abrotman | pronk: maybe, never tried |
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| 14:18.52 | Saliven | anyone? |
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| 14:20.03 | pronk | Saliven: more people will appear in three hours |
| 14:20.40 | Saliven | prong: great... but thx for info |
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| 14:26.30 | EagleScreen | hello |
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| 14:27.06 | EagleScreen | I'd like to have flash player 64bits, where can I download it? |
| 14:27.26 | abrotman | EagleScreen: it's gone |
| 14:27.46 | EagleScreen | gone from Adobe server? |
| 14:28.04 | ShadeS | yes |
| 14:28.06 | ShadeS | poof |
| 14:28.07 | ShadeS | gone |
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| 14:28.38 | EagleScreen | anyone know why? it used to work very well for me |
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| 14:31.10 | jelly-home | !qotd0 |
| 14:31.10 | dpkg | <HostilePenguin> your smarter |
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| 14:39.03 | davis | is there anything I should be using for /dev on sid? I am currently using udev. |
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| 14:45.46 | plugandplay | hi |
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| 14:47.05 | FallenHitokiri | EagleScreen: they broke it, they removed it. and everyone should be happy that it is gone. |
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| 14:47.47 | EagleScreen | actually the 64bits flash in debian-multimedia is installable and usable |
| 14:48.22 | FallenHitokiri | EagleScreen: http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flashplayer10/64bit.html |
| 14:48.32 | FallenHitokiri | EagleScreen: there is a reason why they took it down |
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| 14:54.46 | ukmnh | i installed eclipse-cdt, but in eclipse i don't get the New->C++ Project option (only New->Project). is there some other executable to run than just "eclipse"? |
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| 14:57.19 | jordanm | ukmnh: did you check out the documentation that came with the package? |
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| 14:59.09 | ukmnh | jordanm: /usr/share/doc/eclipse-cdt? just changelog and TODO there |
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| 15:00.11 | jordanm | fail |
| 15:01.23 | pronk | I booted an installation disk now running ash with nano from ram. I'll have to change the ata names and/or root pointer in fstab somehow, any pointers always welcome |
| 15:01.41 | DeathWolf | mmm |
| 15:01.43 | ukmnh | i think i'll try my luck with normal version from eclipse.org (not from the repos) |
| 15:02.11 | DeathWolf | what could overwrite my resolv.conf other than dhclient? resolvconf is not installed |
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| 15:02.33 | pipeline | DeathWolf: openvpn |
| 15:02.39 | jelly-home | DeathWolf: pppd |
| 15:02.47 | jelly-home | well, scripts around pppd |
| 15:03.19 | jelly-home | resolvconf is meant to _solve_ the problem |
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| 15:05.12 | pipeline | DeathWolf: solution: chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf |
| 15:05.25 | DeathWolf | mmm, no openvpn or pppd |
| 15:05.26 | pipeline | DeathWolf: who cares' what's modifying it, just make it immutable and have done |
| 15:05.32 | DeathWolf | eh |
| 15:05.42 | DeathWolf | well, I will do that if I fail fixing it |
| 15:05.43 | themill | yuck... |
| 15:05.51 | DeathWolf | but basically I just want to overwrite dns on that single computer |
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| 15:06.02 | jelly-home | pipeline: that's... efficient, but an unstylish approach |
| 15:06.16 | DeathWolf | (and use supersede in dhclient to do that) |
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| 15:06.23 | DeathWolf | it seems to work when the interface goes up |
| 15:06.24 | themill | DeathWolf: dhcp client? network-manager? |
| 15:06.31 | DeathWolf | don't think I have network manager |
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| 15:06.33 | DeathWolf | let me check |
| 15:06.40 | jelly-home | !listvals chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf |
| 15:06.42 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf' by value (1): fixresolvconf the ugly way. |
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| 15:06.45 | DeathWolf | dhclient is doing fine and using my supersede |
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| 15:06.58 | themill | DeathWolf: yes, that's the most sensible way |
| 15:06.59 | jelly-home | I knew I've seen that mentioned. |
| 15:07.10 | DeathWolf | I don't see any installed network-manager package? |
| 15:07.16 | DeathWolf | or does it go under another name? |
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| 15:07.22 | themill | !override dns |
| 15:07.23 | dpkg | To instruct dhclient to use your specified nameserver rather than the one given to you by your DHCP server, echo "supersede domain-name-servers a.b.c.d, e.f.g.h;" >> /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf, or see man 5 dhclient.conf for more information. Instead of supersede, you can also use "prepend" or "append" to add nameservers. |
| 15:07.28 | themill | (for reference) |
| 15:07.31 | DeathWolf | already doing that:/ |
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| 15:07.59 | jelly-home | !fixresolvconf the ugly way |
| 15:07.59 | dpkg | If you can't be bothered configuring either <resolvconf> or your DHCP client to properly handle your DNS settings, then you can do this: echo -e "nameserver a.b.c.d\nnameserver w.x.y.z" > /etc/resolv.conf && chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf (where a.b.c.d and w.x.y.z are your ISPs nameservers). But realise that this is a truly ugly hack. |
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| 15:08.12 | linusoleander | What may be the problem if export VAR=/some/dir does not set? |
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| 15:08.25 | jelly-home | pipeline: see, dpkg says it's "truly ugly" |
| 15:08.31 | DeathWolf | I wish I could just tell my dhcp to send differnet dns depending on clients |
| 15:08.32 | linusoleander | if I logout and do echo $VAR the variable is empty |
| 15:08.32 | DeathWolf | but I can't:/ |
| 15:08.47 | pipeline | DeathWolf: of course you can |
| 15:08.51 | jelly-home | linusoleander: where do you set it? |
| 15:09.01 | DeathWolf | pipeline: I don't have any direct access to the dhcp server |
| 15:09.06 | jordanm | linusoleander: you are only exporting it into your current environment. when you logout and log back in, you have a new environment |
| 15:09.10 | DeathWolf | I only get to configure it through a web interface |
| 15:09.15 | linusoleander | jordanm: Aha |
| 15:09.21 | linusoleander | Is there any way of saving it? |
| 15:09.30 | DeathWolf | anyway... dhclient overrides would do fine... if they actually stayed |
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| 15:09.42 | jordanm | linusoleander: you want to export in something like ~/.bashrc |
| 15:10.25 | jordanm | linusoleander: check out the INVOCATION section of man bash to descide where is best for your situation |
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| 15:11.03 | DeathWolf | was there any way to monitor which programs access a given file?(does the ino stuff allow that? |
| 15:11.15 | DeathWolf | *inotify |
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| 15:11.29 | _2 | howto install/setup/configure madwifi for a non-running kernel version ??? |
| 15:11.38 | jordanm | DeathWolf: AFAIK, yes, you will want inotify-tools |
| 15:11.57 | DeathWolf | mmm let me try |
| 15:12.02 | linusoleander | jordanm: Inside my ~/.bashrc file, can I just do VAR = /path/ ? |
| 15:12.03 | davis | how do I do a proper search of g++ pkgs on apt? apt-cache search g++ does not work. g\+\+ does not seem to work either. |
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| 15:12.23 | _linuxftw | Hi, I recently dist upgraded from etch to lenny. My machine has three external usb hard drives connected, but none of them appear in /dev. I manually created some nodes (is that the word?) with mknod so I can access them, but I want to know why they aren't appearing automatically (like they used to), perhaps udev is broken? (can that happen?) |
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| 15:13.15 | jordanm | linusoleander: export VAR=/path/ |
| 15:13.59 | _2 | davis apt-cache search -n 'g\+\+' |
| 15:14.03 | jordanm | linusoleander: you can't have those spaces or the shell would try to execute "VAR" "=" and "/path/" as if they were commands |
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| 15:15.21 | davis | manhy thanks |
| 15:15.28 | davis | hmm. No g++ docs? |
| 15:16.13 | jelly-home | !gcc-doc |
| 15:16.13 | dpkg | The man pages for <gcc> are in the package gcc-doc which is in non-free. It's in non-free because it is released under the GFDL with invariant sections so the package does not meet the DFSG. Ask me about <non-free>, <gfdl> and <dfsg>. If you are looking for man pages for printf, strchr etc then get manpages-dev. |
| 15:16.54 | davis | jelly thanks |
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| 15:17.55 | jordanm | _2: that is cheating |
| 15:18.32 | _2 | jordanm ? |
| 15:18.40 | _2 | what is ? |
| 15:19.43 | jordanm | _2: sorry, I thought the user was using aptitude and you switched it up to apt-cache.. nvm |
| 15:20.07 | _2 | jordanm oh, ok. :) |
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| 15:20.37 | rdz | hi all. how can i install a local deb file, while still resolving all dependencies? dpkg -i seems to only install the deb without installing all the necessary deps |
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| 15:21.19 | petemc | rdz: run aptitude -f install , after having tried dpkg -i |
| 15:21.38 | rdz | petemc, thanks |
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| 15:21.52 | jordanm | petemc: that only works if the depends are set on --configre and no pre-depends (e.g. the package is installed but installed as broken) |
| 15:22.09 | petemc | jordanm: i know |
| 15:22.22 | jordanm | that is how upstream typically does it though |
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| 15:24.13 | jordanm | aptitude search '~ng\+\+' was the aptitude solution to the earlier problem |
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| 15:28.34 | _linuxftw | Ok I think i've found the problem. The udev daemon isn't running, when I try and run it manually it says "udev requires a kernel >= 2.6.26, not started. ... failed!", my kernel version is 2.6.24. But, shouldn't the dist upgrade have upgraded my kernel to version 2.6.26 when I ran it? |
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| 15:29.04 | jordanm | _linuxftw: are you upgrading from etch to lenny? |
| 15:29.07 | valdyn | dpkg: etch->lenny |
| 15:29.07 | dpkg | Read the release notes, ask me about <lenny release notes>. Ensure your Etch installation is up to date (aptitude update; aptitude dist-upgrade). Edit your /etc/apt/sources.list and change all non-local mentions of "etch" to "lenny". aptitude update; aptitude install aptitude; aptitude safe-upgrade; aptitude full-upgrade. Also ask me about <apt-listbugs>, <etch->lenny key>. |
| 15:29.09 | _linuxftw | yes |
| 15:29.23 | jordanm | _linuxftw: read the release notes/upgrade notes |
| 15:29.38 | _linuxftw | guess I should have read them before I updated |
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| 15:30.47 | Birdy2323 | Hey, has anyone by any chance had a good time using an alternative flash player? Mines do not seem to work at all. |
| 15:31.29 | EagleScreen | mines neither do it |
| 15:31.57 | EagleScreen | I have to use Adobe flash |
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| 15:32.39 | Birdy2323 | Funny that it only worked for "adobe's official flash version test". |
| 15:33.06 | jordanm | Birdy2323: alternatives are not very good... |
| 15:33.21 | jordanm | although... neither is adobe's |
| 15:33.26 | Saliven | I have a problem with installing debian lenny newest build... The installation cannot connect to any of the mirrors avalaible, some files were downloaded (or seemd to be downloaded) before choosing the mirror though. Anyone able to help me please? |
| 15:34.07 | Birdy2323 | Too bad my debian 5 default install wants me to use such alternative. :( |
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| 15:34.39 | jpinx-eeepc | Birdy2323: I'm running stable and a firefox derivative and flash is good |
| 15:35.08 | EagleScreen | Saliven: fix Internet connection or use a NOT netinstall CD to can install off-line |
| 15:35.23 | Birdy2323 | Weird... I'm running the debian that came with XFCE. |
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| 15:35.33 | Birdy2323 | Not gnome. |
| 15:36.03 | EagleScreen | Debian by default installs a free flash |
| 15:36.38 | Birdy2323 | Yes, but it doesn't work. |
| 15:37.09 | jpinx-eeepc | Birdy2323: sounds like you got that back-to-front |
| 15:37.26 | jpinx-eeepc | Birdy2323: you install debian and *then* choose a DE ;) |
| 15:38.17 | Birdy2323 | Huh? What does this mean? (Gee, and I really do not see how else I should install this. *sigh*) |
| 15:38.27 | Saliven | EagleScreen: cca a month before now the install worked alright... my internet connection is OK (i am writing here from my another computer connected to same internet with router) |
| 15:38.50 | Birdy2323 | I already had a hard time connection to the net with this, I had to virtual-box it on windows. |
| 15:39.33 | EagleScreen | Birdy2323: why dont you install Adobe flash? |
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| 15:41.14 | Birdy2323 | Just wanted to see stuff work as It should, and I didn't think the developers were more like this... "Ah! Let's make our own! DONE! We didn't test it, but let's slap it into deb5 and release it! GREAT IDEA high five!". |
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| 15:43.29 | Saliven | EagleScreen: any more suggestions please??? |
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| 15:44.27 | Birdy2323 | jpinx-eeepc, Hmm, are you using "XFCE" on your debian? Like what exactly did you do? |
| 15:44.40 | EagleScreen | Saliven: I am messed by your last comment |
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| 15:45.07 | jpinx-eeepc | Birdy2323: installed debian and then installed X and a DE |
| 15:45.08 | Saliven | EagleScreen: nvm, thx anyway |
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| 15:45.47 | EagleScreen | Saliven: then did you install already Debian or not? |
| 15:46.03 | Saliven | EagleScreen: sadly no |
| 15:46.05 | Birdy2323 | X and a DE? Now that throws me off. .__. and I was thinking x is short for xfce. |
| 15:46.20 | EagleScreen | Saliven: by network problems? |
| 15:46.22 | _linuxftw | managed to fix the problems and update the kernel, thanks jordanm |
| 15:46.27 | jpinx-eeepc | Birdy2323: read the installation manuals .... |
| 15:46.39 | jordanm | _linuxftw: np |
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| 15:47.40 | Birdy2323 | Like which? There are so many kinds/ways to install Debian. |
| 15:48.06 | jpinx-eeepc | Birdy2323: debian.org - how to get debian - installations |
| 15:48.16 | jordanm | Birdy2323: which are all covered in the installation guide :) |
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| 15:48.41 | jpinx-eeepc | Birdy2323: choose your architecture and your requirements |
| 15:48.47 | r00s | hi |
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| 15:49.08 | r00s | is there a parameter to tell the installer the exact location of the iso file? |
| 15:49.19 | Saliven | EagleScreen: I think the cd image is all messed up somehow... first problem i encountered was i was not able to partition my hard drive with debian install... I got through this thanks to GParted cd... then there was this network problem... and by skipping the step i ended up with system without gnome, unable to properly login :( |
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| 15:49.52 | Birdy2323 | Did you installed yours "over the network"? |
| 15:49.59 | jordanm | Saliven: sounds like you didn't checkbox the "desktop" task |
| 15:50.02 | valdyn | Saliven: which installer is it? squeeze? |
| 15:50.08 | Birdy2323 | I sure didn't. |
| 15:50.18 | r00s | i can't install because the installer mounts my home partition while searching for the iso, and doesn't unmount it after that |
| 15:50.19 | EagleScreen | Saliven: when you boot the CD tou have an option to check CD for defects, did pass the test? |
| 15:50.21 | Saliven | jordanm: it was checked |
| 15:50.30 | jpinx-eeepc | Birdy2323: yes - netinstall is the most up-tod-ate |
| 15:50.35 | Saliven | valdyn: i downloaded latest testing build from debian pages... |
| 15:50.42 | jpinx-eeepc | !tell Birdy2323 about install |
| 15:50.44 | valdyn | Saliven: why would you do that? |
| 15:51.05 | jordanm | r00s: what installer are you using? |
| 15:51.07 | Saliven | EagleScreen: I didnt try the whole test, just the first part to recognise it |
| 15:51.13 | valdyn | Saliven: theres a stable installer. If you want to help betatest the new installer, only *then* you should use that one |
| 15:51.59 | jordanm | r00s: that doesn't sound like typical d-i behavior to me |
| 15:52.01 | Saliven | valdyn: the thing is, i want to install debian lenny and then upgrade it to sid |
| 15:52.02 | EagleScreen | Saliven: sometimes testing images fails, that is becaus they are called "testing", you can download a new image from here http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 15:52.21 | valdyn | Saliven: then do use the lenny isntaller, not the testing installer |
| 15:53.01 | valdyn | EagleScreen: why are you recommending known broken installer? |
| 15:53.21 | r00s | jordanm: what installers are there? it happens with both the graphical and the text installer |
| 15:53.40 | jordanm | valdyn: it was broken for a while, but it wfm on my attempt last week |
| 15:53.53 | valdyn | Saliven: for installers you have two sane choices, the stock lenny installer and if your hardware is new then |
| 15:53.56 | valdyn | !kmuto |
| 15:53.56 | dpkg | For Debian Lenny installers with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ . The <bnx2> and <bnx2x> firmware files for Linux 2.6.32 are included in 0116 images. |
| 15:53.57 | jordanm | r00s: lenny netinst? |
| 15:54.02 | valdyn | Saliven: then what dpkg said |
| 15:54.05 | EagleScreen | because I installed yesterday and installation went ok, and becaus there is new images each week |
| 15:54.07 | r00s | jordanm: squeeze netinst |
| 15:54.09 | valdyn | Saliven: testing installers are usually broken |
| 15:54.22 | jordanm | r00s: the one we were just discussing about how it was broken? |
| 15:54.35 | jpinx-eeepc | r00s: install staable and upgrade |
| 15:54.55 | Birdy2323 | AH! Another question. Why doesn't the items/icons on the desktop on Debian 5 update right away as soon as you move/download something there? I had to open up a folder and navigate my way to desktop just to see it. My desktop doesn't up date at all unless I login to it the next time. Is this normal? (XFCE). |
| 15:54.56 | valdyn | EagleScreen: not a good reason. |
| 15:54.57 | jpinx-eeepc | r00s: you'll stop banging your head on the wall that way ;) |
| 15:54.59 | r00s | jordanm: mmkay :-) |
| 15:56.04 | r00s | jpinx-eeepc: okay thanks |
| 15:56.04 | jpinx-eeepc | Birdy2323: /join #xfce |
| 15:56.05 | Birdy2323 | Good idea jpinx-eeepc. |
| 15:56.05 | jordanm | Birdy2323: I just tested and it showed up immediatly fro me |
| 15:56.38 | jordanm | Birdy2323: what does settings -> desktop -> behavior -> "Desktop Icons" say? |
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| 15:57.48 | EagleScreen | valdyn, Saliven if the broken image is the same than in the archive now, and the check pass was posiitve, then downloading the same image again haven't any sense, unless Saliven to have nwtwork problems during the install, in this case, he should download the first CD of the full CD sets, and no netinstall |
| 15:58.28 | Birdy2323 | File/luncher icons. |
| 15:58.40 | Saliven | EagleScreen: i was not installing netinstall, i was installing with 1st cd from the set and had these problems... |
| 15:58.45 | valdyn | EagleScreen: yea, I didnt mentioned the first CDs |
| 15:58.54 | jordanm | Birdy2323: are you using 4.4 from main or 4.6 from backports? |
| 15:59.31 | EagleScreen | Saliven: did you se the graphic installer? |
| 15:59.35 | Birdy2323 | According to "about", it says "version 4.4.2 (Xfce 4.4)". |
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| 16:00.01 | jpinx-eeepc | ,versions xfce |
| 16:00.02 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'xfce' was found. |
| 16:00.06 | Saliven | EagleScreen: yeah, it think so |
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| 16:00.33 | jordanm | Birdy2323: perhaps there has been a mix between versions. let me see: apt-cache policy xfce4 xfdesktop |
| 16:00.53 | jpinx-eeepc | !xfce |
| 16:00.54 | dpkg | Xfce is a pretty nifty Desktop Environment. Lightweight, fast, compact. To install, ask me about <install xfce>. Backported 4.6.1 packages are available, ask me about <bpo>. Squeeze users: Missing icons in your menu? See http://bugs.debian.org/526171 . http://wiki.debian.org/Xfce http://www.xfce.org/ #xfce on irc.freenode.net. |
| 16:00.56 | EagleScreen | Saliven: graphic installer usually gives me many problems, traditional text installer is as easier as graphical and work well almost always (worked yestearday for me) |
| 16:01.06 | jpinx-eeepc | jordanm: see the factoid ;) |
| 16:01.29 | jpinx-eeepc | jordanm: looks like a bug, and he's in squeeze I'll bet |
| 16:01.30 | Saliven | EagleScreen: ill try it before anything else :) |
| 16:01.40 | jordanm | jpinx-eeepc: no, I helped resolve that bug |
| 16:01.54 | jordanm | ... might not have merged into testing yet though |
| 16:01.57 | jpinx-eeepc | then take it out of the factoid ;) |
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| 16:03.28 | jordanm | jpinx-eeepc: apparently that is a different bug... I helped resolve the one that was a result of fixing that one |
| 16:03.33 | Saliven | EagleScreen: how do i exactly get to text install? :) |
| 16:04.26 | EagleScreen | Saliven: is graphic installer the default? |
| 16:04.49 | EagleScreen | I think not |
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| 16:04.59 | MeglaW | TUI is |
| 16:05.04 | Saliven | EagleScreen: well im in Installer boot menu and have no option even in advanced for text install |
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| 16:05.10 | EagleScreen | you will see the option of text install, may be in Advanced options submenu |
| 16:05.29 | EagleScreen | Saliven: and have you got for graphical install? |
| 16:05.41 | jordanm | the unetbootin manages to make a non-working installer with graphical only IIRC |
| 16:06.05 | Birdy2323 | jordanm, The results of "apt-cache policy xfce4 xfdesktop"; http://pastebin.com/MpEnRXhe |
| 16:06.17 | Saliven | EagleScreen: If the graphical install is the half blue, half white bios-like setup then yes :D |
| 16:06.35 | jargon- | anyone know any 3d fonts in the repo? |
| 16:06.50 | EagleScreen | Saliven: that is not |
| 16:06.54 | MeglaW | white bios? what mobo do you have Saliven? |
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| 16:07.08 | jordanm | Birdy2323: sorry, that should have been: xfdesktop4 |
| 16:07.14 | Saliven | EagleScreen: so i was installing with the text installer the whole time |
| 16:07.20 | EagleScreen | Saliven: that is not the graphical install, that is the text installer |
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| 16:08.11 | EagleScreen | ok Saliven, then try with the lenny installer if you rather |
| 16:08.30 | zer0x | does the current lh_build no longer automatically create the .img file? I have no errors and a complete ./binary ?! |
| 16:08.44 | Saliven | EagleScreen: the kmuto one right? |
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| 16:09.03 | jordanm | Birdy2323: run it again with xfdesktop4 instead of xfdesktop |
| 16:09.56 | Birdy2323 | There -> http://pastebin.com/GntzNQkC |
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| 16:11.02 | jordanm | Birdy2323: how are you copying the file? copy and paste in thunar to the ~/Desktop directory? |
| 16:11.11 | EagleScreen | Saliven: use it if you want, also take a look to the sidux project: www.sidux.com |
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| 16:12.37 | jordanm | Birdy2323: have you tried to drag-and-drop directly to the desktop? |
| 16:13.08 | Birdy2323 | Yes. (in thunar), also downloading to desktop from iceweasel webbrowser. |
| 16:13.28 | Saliven | EagleScreen: does sidux have sid's repos? |
| 16:13.56 | EagleScreen | Saliven: yes it has |
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| 16:14.06 | wfq | hi |
| 16:14.22 | Saliven | EagleScreen: so it is gonna be my choice as it looks :) |
| 16:14.26 | Birdy2323 | Drag and drop makes the item appear on desktop. |
| 16:15.09 | EagleScreen | Saliven: a good and easy way to do a enhaced Sid installation |
| 16:15.33 | jordanm | Birdy2323: download something to Desktop, then open a terminal and run "xfdesktop -reload"; see if the icons appear and if there any errors |
| 16:16.45 | Saliven | EagleScreen: the only thing is i prefer gnome :) but i think ill try xfce |
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| 16:17.09 | mms_ | on pvresize I get allocated pe error so I guess I can use pvmove. The have shows pvdisplay output to guide in finding args to pvmove command. http://pastebin.com/7ZWCVdgw |
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| 16:18.08 | r00s | the stable installer has the same behaviour. it doesn't unmount my home partition from /hd-media after finding the iso somewhere else and then i can't mount it for installation |
| 16:18.12 | mms_ | please let me know how to compact the pes in contiguous manner so I guess then it will let me shrink pv |
| 16:18.41 | wfq | i am trying to install a debian from an usb: http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/installer-i386/current/images/hd-media/ |
| 16:19.25 | EagleScreen | Saliven: later you will be able to do a Gnome installation if you want, but XFCE is faster and good |
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| 16:19.44 | Saliven | EagleScreen: yeah thx |
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| 16:20.10 | wfq | but when it reaches the partition screen it seems that the installer fails every time it tries to write the partition in the hard disk |
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| 16:20.39 | wfq | is there any bug reported about it? |
| 16:20.51 | wfq | does anyone know anything? |
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| 16:21.48 | wfq | I have no cd reader on my laptop and need to install Debian. Does anyone know where I can download a pre-built usb installer for x86 machins please? |
| 16:21.55 | mms_ | pvmove /dev/hda2:3672-3844 /dev/hda2:2304-2476 ........will this do ? |
| 16:22.01 | jordanm | Birdy2323: any luck with that? |
| 16:22.13 | Birdy2323 | Nope, I don't see a thing on desktop. |
| 16:22.20 | jordanm | !tell wfq about usb install |
| 16:22.35 | r00s | !tell r00s about usb install |
| 16:22.37 | wfq | I don't have a linux system so I cannot create a customized one |
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| 16:22.39 | jordanm | Birdy2323: but you had icons there before xfdesktop -reload? |
| 16:22.50 | jordanm | wfq: read the entire factoid... |
| 16:23.13 | mms_ | in fact can I move it into the 0-2303 pe range since I know lv /dev/mini/root might not be really be using whole of its pes.... |
| 16:23.50 | Birdy2323 | Before I reload, the "files I downloaded are there".... Before and after "those files hasn't appeared yet". |
| 16:24.07 | wfq | thanks guys |
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| 16:24.17 | Birdy2323 | (before and after I used reloaded). |
| 16:24.20 | jordanm | Birdy2323: did the reload give any errors? |
| 16:24.36 | Birdy2323 | Nope. No errors, or any message after that command. |
| 16:25.02 | jordanm | Birdy2323: I would like to see the permissions on your desktop. pastebin: ls -al ~/Desktop |
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| 16:26.43 | mms_ | any one interested in looking into this question on pvmove. I have provided pastebin. |
| 16:27.17 | jordanm | points out that mms_ would have been done 2 days ago had he took his advice |
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| 16:27.59 | mms_ | jordanm: I took your advice and was making progress yesterday. I dont really recollect what other advice you gave. |
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| 16:28.29 | Birdy2323 | There: http://pastebin.com/mddNYiCD |
| 16:28.31 | jordanm | mms_: restore a backup onto a new partition scheme, instead of bothering with trying to shrink |
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| 16:30.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | he's got a whole collection of firmware! |
| 16:30.10 | mms_ | jordanm: I have only two partitions/pv currently. since I want to make one more I am doing this shrinking business. I dont quite understand "new partition schema" |
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| 16:31.03 | mms_ | jordanm: I have pen drive on which if you tell how to backup and restore... |
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| 16:31.34 | mms_ | jordanm: I think I am just two commands away from completing this task. pvmove and then pvresize |
| 16:32.46 | mms_ | jordanm: if you think I am going right way then please verify my command. I think I need correction to destination extent to be ending at 2477. |
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| 16:33.51 | trupheenix | hi my system is bor |
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| 16:34.07 | trupheenix | i screwed up my /usr/lib |
| 16:34.18 | trupheenix | tips to restore? |
| 16:35.03 | trupheenix | ? |
| 16:35.11 | trupheenix | ideas? |
| 16:35.17 | cahoot | reinstall? |
| 16:35.26 | trupheenix | cahoot no way |
| 16:35.31 | trupheenix | no chance |
| 16:35.44 | trupheenix | can i load a live cd |
| 16:35.47 | wfq | jordanm, I have no linux system on my machine. All that I have got is a windows machine without a cd/dvd reader |
| 16:35.53 | trupheenix | chroot the volume |
| 16:36.00 | jordanm | Birdy2323: if you right click on the desktop, does the xfce menu appear? |
| 16:36.04 | trupheenix | and use dpkg to restore? |
| 16:36.16 | Birdy2323 | Yes. It appears. |
| 16:36.27 | jordanm | wfq: the factoid explains where to go to create it from windows. that is why I suggested you read the entire factoid |
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| 16:37.01 | jordanm | Birdy2323: also, just to confirm, the missing icon(s) did appear in that last pastebin? |
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| 16:38.12 | jordanm | Birdy2323: as-in the files showed up |
| 16:38.35 | trupheenix | jordanm what u think? |
| 16:38.58 | jordanm | trupheenix: restore from a backup |
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| 16:39.48 | trupheenix | jordanm no backup |
| 16:39.52 | trupheenix | nowhere |
| 16:40.11 | mms_ | I tried the pvmove and it says no extents available for allocation. |
| 16:40.29 | jordanm | make one of your data, reinstall, restore data backup |
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| 16:40.35 | jpinx-eeepc | trupheenix: chroot and see what aptitude might be able to do for you |
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| 16:40.59 | Birdy2323 | jordanm, The files appeared when I used that command. |
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| 16:42.37 | Birdy2323 | I just learned that when I want to delete files from a folder (desktop), the icons on desktop doesn't go away (Even after using the reload command). Drag and drop to trash can will create a dialog error that tells you the file no longer exists (stupid icons are still there..). |
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| 16:43.13 | jpinx-eeepc | Birdy2323: maybe you need a decent DE ;) |
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| 16:44.18 | jordanm | Birdy2323: what does the dialog error say _exactly_? |
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| 16:46.56 | Birdy2323 | Failed to determine file info for "file:///home/whitepheasant/Desktop/zd1211-firmware_2.21.0.0-0.1_all.deb". No such file or directory. (The only option is to close that dialog, that closes two) Behind that dialog is Moving files into the trash... Moving files into the trash... Collecting files... |
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| 16:48.34 | jordanm | Birdy2323: ps aux | grep hal |
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| 16:49.28 | Birdy2323 | This is the result: 1000 12263 0.0 0.1 3116 708 pts/8 R+ 08:48 0:00 grep hal |
| 16:50.17 | jordanm | Birdy2323: no hal? that is likely the issue. invoke-rc.d hald start; as root |
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| 16:51.23 | _2 | well i got ath0 working with this lenny kernel :) |
| 16:51.35 | _2 | now about this ati vidio ... |
| 16:51.43 | jordanm | !congratulations _2 |
| 16:52.00 | _2 | thanks jordanm |
| 16:52.20 | _2 | is dpkg down ? |
| 16:52.20 | jordanm | _2: well, the bot would have said something if I didn't fail at spelling :) |
| 16:52.32 | _2 | ah :))) |
| 16:52.50 | jpinx-eeepc | !fail jordanm |
| 16:52.59 | jpinx-eeepc | mhm |
| 16:53.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
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| 16:53.05 | abrotman | dpkg: hi |
| 16:53.05 | dpkg | hello, abrotman |
| 16:53.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, test |
| 16:53.08 | dpkg | Test failed. |
| 16:53.43 | jmburgess | Currently my server is booting off of a regular drive, but I want to move to a raid/lvm setup. I bought a 3ware raid card that works perfectly and put lvm on top of htat. Does anyone have any (hopefully good) experience with moving a boot drive to a lvm partition? |
| 16:54.51 | _2 | i have an ever worse question, anyone know a way to boot an incripted floppy ? |
| 16:54.52 | Birdy2323 | jordan, Huh? How would I go about doing that? |
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| 16:55.16 | jordanm | Birdy2323: su -c 'invoke-rc.d hald start' |
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| 16:56.20 | Birdy2323 | This is the result I got from trying that command: invoke-rc.d: unknown initscript, /etc/init.d/hald not found. |
| 16:56.25 | Birdy2323 | (as root). |
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| 16:56.57 | jordanm | thats not right... the xfce4 package should definatly pull in hald |
| 16:57.51 | jordanm | Birdy2323: aptitude install hal |
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| 17:00.22 | jordanm | Birdy2323: I have to run for about 20min, let me know if installing hal resolved the issue |
| 17:00.38 | abrotman | bathroom run! |
| 17:00.49 | jordanm | food run! |
| 17:00.53 | Birdy2323 | Sure thing. Lol, I do not even have the cd, I virtual box'ed it (using real harddrive, not the fake one). |
| 17:01.34 | _2 | same thing different end! |
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| 17:02.34 | amgarching | hi, on a fresh installation of Lenny I get seemingly /dev/sda and /dev/sdb switching seemingly random at boot. sda is supposed to be a "BIOS controled disk" and sdb is supposed to be a raid at LSI cotroller. What is going on? Is there a standard way to fix it? |
| 17:03.29 | Voldenet | udev rules? |
| 17:03.41 | yaaar | Voldenet: yeah, udev definitely rules. devfs was teh suxor |
| 17:04.05 | robertg | d-i keeps installing a desktop system despite a line d-i tasksel tasksel/first multiselect in my preseed.cfg |
| 17:04.07 | Voldenet | yaaar, hell yeah. :) |
| 17:04.41 | Voldenet | seriously, /etc/udev/rules.d |
| 17:04.52 | jelly-home | rum run |
| 17:04.57 | Voldenet | There should be a script called *persistent-storage.rules |
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| 17:07.14 | isfranc | hello |
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| 17:08.00 | jeward | Does anyone know how to display only certain hours of the day in iceowl? |
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| 17:08.12 | amgarching | Voldenet: if the disks are switched I end up in "initramfs" shell with a wrong disk mounted under /root and an error msg saying /sbin/init was not found. So I assume udev.rules residing in the *root partition* were not in effect yet? Where is the flaw in this logic? |
| 17:08.26 | amgarching | but I'll look into it |
| 17:08.42 | Voldenet | So... use ID as root parameter |
| 17:08.50 | Voldenet | not device |
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| 17:09.51 | Saliven | anyone here got any experience with installing sidux? |
| 17:10.06 | abrotman | Saliven: #sidux on irc.oftc.net |
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| 17:10.15 | Saliven | thx |
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| 17:10.54 | mintee | is termcap-compat completely gone? |
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| 17:11.03 | mintee | is there any alternates? |
| 17:11.05 | abrotman | judd: versions termcap-compat |
| 17:11.06 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'termcap-compat' was found. |
| 17:11.47 | mintee | so i'm going to have to build it myself? |
| 17:11.58 | mintee | trying to install wanpipe drivers for a sangoma card |
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| 17:13.32 | _2 | amgarching rebuild the initramfs to boot with root="UUID=*blah-burp*" and set that in the boot-loader of your choice, you'll stop having that 'where's my root' problem... |
| 17:14.25 | trupheenix | hmm hmm hmm |
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| 17:16.26 | sideone | hey guys, i am looking for an opensource web monitoring solution. I need to integrate with active directory for reporting. i have tried both untangle and found censornet. censor is outdated, and tangle does not give much for proper web usage reporting. Does anyone know any GPL/Open source alternatives? |
| 17:16.39 | amgarching | blkid says /dev/sda5: TYPE="swap" and shows no UUID? what do I put into fstab? |
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| 17:17.21 | amgarching | _2: mkinitramfs ? |
| 17:17.36 | pronk | anyone know how i can get onto the local ata hd in the ash terminal from the Lenny install CD? |
| 17:17.58 | fruitwerks | how can I get a dump of all the installed packages and pipe it into aptitude on another machine? |
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| 17:18.20 | jelly-home | !tell fruitwerks about aptitude clone |
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| 17:21.29 | bzed | sideone: AD integration for reporting sounds so weird, that I doubt there is some open source solution for that. |
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| 17:23.21 | sideone | bzed, i can do some scripting to relate (sed/awk) the ip to username if needed, just would be nice to not parse the info prior to exec report |
| 17:23.30 | wfq | !tell wfq install debian |
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| 17:23.46 | jordanm | !tell wfq about selftell |
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| 17:28.29 | fra_ | Hi, how do I install Lilo using apt-get? It don't work |
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| 17:28.39 | fra_ | The package is not found |
| 17:28.47 | Voldenet | fra_, why would you try to install lilo? |
| 17:28.50 | Voldenet | grub is 100x better |
| 17:29.13 | fra_ | It is easier, however I can try even grub |
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| 17:29.22 | Voldenet | grub _is_ easy |
| 17:29.48 | _2 | lilo is a good boot loader for what it was designed for. grub is junk, grub2 is a good boot loader for what it was designed for..... |
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| 17:30.16 | _2 | but openions are cheep at any price. |
| 17:30.18 | _2 | :) |
| 17:30.32 | fra_ | Right. Hmm... I need that grub include another just created ntfs partition |
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| 17:31.45 | jelly-home | grub2 is too complex, legacy had just the right balance of features and usability |
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| 17:32.08 | jordanm | ,versions lilo |
| 17:32.09 | judd | lilo -- etch: 1:22.6.1-9.3; lenny: 1:22.8-7; sid: 1:22.8-8.1; squeeze: 1:22.8-8.1 |
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| 17:32.27 | jordanm | fra_: check your sources |
| 17:32.35 | jelly-home | jordanm: lilo has no active upstream at present |
| 17:32.39 | jordanm | agrees that grub2 is too complex |
| 17:32.49 | jordanm | jelly-home: I know, I kept up with the -devel thread about it |
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| 17:33.03 | jelly-home | it's a very nice example of Second System Effect |
| 17:33.12 | jordanm | jelly-home: there was one volunteer to take up lilo upstream maintence |
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| 17:33.29 | jordanm | whether he will follow through, who knows |
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| 17:33.45 | jelly-home | jordanm: exactly |
| 17:34.38 | fra_ | I don't know what to set in menu.lst as root for the ntfs partition: how do I know what is the correct number? |
| 17:34.48 | jordanm | jelly-home: there was much talk of having grub2 as the _only_ bootloader... and from my testing upgrade-from-grub-legacy works about 50% of the time |
| 17:35.16 | jordanm | fra_: you can't have an NTFS root AFAIK |
| 17:35.18 | Birdy23232 | So far, the new hald thing didn't fix the desktop problem I'm having... BUUUUUT, ever since I put in hal, I'm now able to see my sony USB flash drive. (yey!). |
| 17:35.23 | trupheenix | i get this http://pastie.org/942195/wrap |
| 17:35.25 | trupheenix | any idea? |
| 17:35.29 | jelly-home | grub2 packaging has a LOT of corner cases still to catch |
| 17:35.36 | jordanm | fra_: NTFS does not support unix permissions, and the kernel's ntfs support is very limited |
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| 17:35.58 | jordanm | jelly-home: I don't believe that my failed upgrades were corner-cases |
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| 17:36.06 | robert__ | hey guys |
| 17:36.10 | robert__ | can someone help me |
| 17:36.17 | robert__ | i dont have write perms on my profile folder |
| 17:36.22 | robert__ | even when its chmodded to 777 |
| 17:36.28 | robert__ | i get "Access is Denied" |
| 17:36.38 | Xgrzyb90 | robert_: try chown |
| 17:36.42 | jelly-home | jordanm: I consider my md0-with-partitions one |
| 17:36.59 | robert__ | Xgrzyb90, i have - and i own it, although that should make no difference if its 777 |
| 17:37.10 | fra_ | I mean the root parameter, here http://nopaste.info/8259a6be71.html |
| 17:37.28 | jordanm | jelly-home: home setup: single disk, dedicated /boot and /home: FAILED; vbox, single /: FAILED |
| 17:37.48 | fra_ | there was the correct parameters there (@ 'root') but now they are not valid. |
| 17:37.59 | jordanm | fra_: (hd0,1) |
| 17:38.04 | fra_ | k |
| 17:38.14 | fra_ | I try |
| 17:38.14 | robert__ | anyone got any other suggestions? |
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| 17:38.27 | jordanm | fra_: sorry, for "hda1" you want: (hd0,0) |
| 17:38.34 | Xgrzyb90 | robert_: write stat ~ |
| 17:38.53 | jordanm | robert__: what is your "profile" folder? your home directory? |
| 17:38.58 | Xgrzyb90 | and give the result |
| 17:39.35 | robert__ | jordanm, no, my profile folder is where my roaming profile is stored |
| 17:39.41 | robert__ | Xgrzyb90, ? |
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| 17:40.01 | robert__ | jordanm, my home folder works perfectly and i can write there |
| 17:40.14 | jordanm | robert__: roaming profile? |
| 17:40.19 | robert__ | yes |
| 17:40.23 | robert__ | roaming profile |
| 17:40.24 | Xgrzyb90 | robert_: did you write as I said? |
| 17:40.34 | Mikae | Hello all. |
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| 17:40.36 | robert__ | Xgrzyb90, no, because i dont understand the command |
| 17:40.40 | jordanm | "A roaming user profile is a concept in the Microsoft Windows NT family of operating systems" |
| 17:40.45 | Mikae | I need gdb-7.1 on my Debian. |
| 17:40.46 | jordanm | robert__: how does that work in debian? |
| 17:40.49 | robert__ | jordanm, yes, this is a domain controller |
| 17:40.57 | Xgrzyb90 | just write `stat ~' |
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| 17:41.00 | Mikae | I tried to compile it, but I get an error: |
| 17:41.01 | robert__ | jordanm, /home/samba/profiles/robert |
| 17:41.15 | Xgrzyb90 | I shows allmost all data about your home catalog |
| 17:41.17 | Mikae | configure: error: no termcap library found |
| 17:41.17 | Mikae | make[1]: *** [configure-gdb] Error 1 |
| 17:41.17 | Mikae | make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/gdb-7.1' |
| 17:41.17 | Mikae | make: *** [all] Error 2 |
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| 17:41.21 | Xgrzyb90 | it |
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| 17:41.45 | Mikae | Oops. |
| 17:41.49 | jordanm | robert__: and you get access is denied when you try to do what? write a file there? cd into that directory? |
| 17:42.00 | fra_ | reboot |
| 17:42.05 | Mikae | So I need termcap.h and termcap.a. Where I can get it? |
| 17:42.12 | jordanm | !tell Mikae about apt-file |
| 17:42.17 | robert__ | jordanm, im trying to write a file into my profile folder on the domain controller |
| 17:42.35 | jordanm | robert__: remotely? |
| 17:42.37 | robert__ | Xgrzyb90, this isnt my home directory though, this is my profile folder - they are not the same thing |
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| 17:42.41 | robert__ | jordanm, over samba |
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| 17:43.03 | jordanm | robert__: #samba ; I would bet it doesn't have anything to do with unix permissions |
| 17:43.17 | robert__ | jordanm, actually i think i know what it might be |
| 17:43.38 | robert__ | jordanm, you were right, i can make folders there with my UNIX account |
| 17:43.40 | Xgrzyb90 | I'm not interested what is that, stat give the information about catalog |
| 17:44.21 | robert__ | Xgrzyb90, i dont understand you, sorry |
| 17:44.49 | robert__ | Xgrzyb90, as i understand it, you want me to show info about my home dir, which im happy to do except, it has no bearing on this issue at all |
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| 17:47.32 | Mikae | jordanm: E: Can't write in /var/cache/apt/apt-file |
| 17:47.36 | Mikae | sudo was used. |
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| 17:48.17 | jordanm | Mikae: do it as root, I have no idea how you have sudo configured |
| 17:48.24 | project2501a | fookin' hell: i got a Compaq HP nw9440. the nvidia quadro is on fire! |
| 17:48.46 | Birdy23232 | project2501a, smokin! |
| 17:48.53 | project2501a | 0) how do i monitor the damn temp? 1) how can i diagnose what's wrong? |
| 17:48.56 | project2501a | is this normal? |
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| 17:49.19 | project2501a | hm. i think i'll just have to change the fan on that. |
| 17:49.31 | project2501a | the fan must be dying from all the dust around here |
| 17:49.36 | jordanm | project2501a: GPUs get considerbly hotter than say, a CPU |
| 17:50.02 | jordanm | project2501a: my GTX 260 for examples has a rated slowdown threshold of 110C |
| 17:50.02 | project2501a | yeah, but i don't remember the gpu going ever up to 95 celcius |
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| 17:50.30 | sc | project2501a: nvidia-smi -q -a |
| 17:50.38 | Mikae | Can't get http://security.debian.org/dists/lenny/updates/Contents-amd64.gz |
| 17:50.45 | fra_ | I get an error with windows ntldr setting up grub |
| 17:50.45 | jordanm | Mikae: thats normal, ignore it |
| 17:50.51 | Mikae | Ok. |
| 17:51.03 | fra_ | the error is when I boot (of course) |
| 17:51.15 | MeglaW | fra_: then your booting from the wrong disk or you did not install grub propperly |
| 17:51.27 | project2501a | sc: thanks! i still don't understand why the gpu is not cooled properly |
| 17:51.38 | jordanm | fra_: if you are getting an ntldr error, that grub has already done its job. I suggest ##windows |
| 17:52.17 | hid3nax | !tell me about simple sid backport babe! |
| 17:52.53 | sc | mine stays around 63c, when i set it to max quality, 16x etc. |
| 17:52.59 | sc | 30 when using powersaver |
| 17:53.18 | sc | nvidia 9800gtx+ |
| 17:54.46 | Saliven | is it problem if blocksize doesnt correspond with image lenght when burning image? |
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| 17:56.26 | phl4kx | anyone here know a opensource network mapping? |
| 17:56.50 | rking | phl4kx: What do you mean by network mapping? |
| 17:56.50 | project2501a | phl4kx: sorry, we don't do "open source" |
| 17:56.52 | jordanm | phl4kx: lanmap (autmated listening), dia (diagram editor with networking icons) |
| 17:57.16 | project2501a | open source sucks |
| 17:57.24 | project2501a | vive software libre! |
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| 17:58.13 | isfranc | project2501a: i think you are a aztek :) |
| 17:58.13 | AimHere | All very well, but you got a free software network mapper? |
| 17:58.23 | project2501a | yeah. |
| 17:58.24 | project2501a | nmap |
| 17:58.59 | phl4kx | yeah |
| 17:59.02 | project2501a | isfranc: viva subcommadante markos |
| 17:59.11 | poisonbit | zenmap |
| 17:59.17 | phl4kx | I need a network mapper from SNMP and ICMP pings, some opensource for this??? |
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| 17:59.26 | poisonbit | perl!! |
| 17:59.28 | phl4kx | zenmap is network mapper? |
| 17:59.39 | poisonbit | phl4kx, it uses nmap |
| 17:59.42 | jordanm | zenmap is about the most worthless gui ever created... here is a textbox to type your cli command! |
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| 18:00.10 | jordanm | phl4kx: lanmap (autmated listening), dia (diagram editor with networking icons) |
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| 18:00.22 | jordanm | looks like you disconnected before you saw my initial response |
| 18:00.23 | project2501a | jordanm: lol, true :D |
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| 18:01.46 | phl4kx | we use Solarwinds LanSurveyor, is excelent! |
| 18:01.53 | phl4kx | but is not opensource :( |
| 18:03.11 | trupheenix | how do i find out what package a .so belongs to? |
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| 18:03.29 | abrotman | !tell trupheenix about apt-file |
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| 18:04.17 | jordanm | phl4kx: there is also "autoscan" but I don't think it has been packaged for debian |
| 18:04.21 | sc | true: http://i.imgur.com/YTcnn.jpg |
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| 18:07.00 | poisonbit | http://myoss.belgoline.com/netmap/screenshots/Screenshot-1.png/view |
| 18:07.09 | poisonbit | uses grphviz |
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| 18:09.12 | poisonbit | but snmp sounds more like nagios, zabbix, zenoss, that has autodiscover plugins if I remember all ok |
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| 18:09.49 | subsume | how to close the current screen window without killing the programs? |
| 18:10.03 | phl4kx | yes |
| 18:10.14 | phl4kx | all tools are ok, thanks friend |
| 18:10.21 | phl4kx | We use zabbix for monitor servers |
| 18:10.37 | jordanm | subsume: screen as-in GNU screen? |
| 18:10.42 | subsume | yessir |
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| 18:10.52 | poisonbit | subsume, ctrl + a + d |
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| 18:11.06 | poisonbit | subsume, (ctrl + a) then d |
| 18:11.06 | subsume | poisonbit that closes my whole screen session |
| 18:11.09 | jordanm | subsume: exit closes a window or exits if it the only window left. use C-d to detach without closing anything |
| 18:11.09 | dec3pti01 | is there a way to install 32bit pkg on a 64bit lenny ? |
| 18:11.10 | poisonbit | detach |
| 18:11.16 | poisonbit | then you can re-atach |
| 18:11.16 | jordanm | subsume: sorry, C-a C-d |
| 18:11.20 | subsume | I don't want to detach the whole thing |
| 18:11.28 | poisonbit | ah |
| 18:11.35 | dec3pti01 | sorry meant squeeze and using apt-get not dpkg |
| 18:11.35 | subsume | I just want out of one window |
| 18:11.52 | jordanm | subsume: C-a <# of window to switch to> |
| 18:11.59 | subsume | I can switch windows.... |
| 18:12.05 | jordanm | subsume: or "exit" to close that window (exits screen if its the only window) |
| 18:12.06 | subsume | I just want to remove one from the switching =) |
| 18:12.10 | Birdy23232 | Hey jordanm, was it you who suggest me to install hal? (If so, I wanted to let you know it hasn't solved my problem, BUT ever since I installed hal, I'm able to see my sony USB flash drive). |
| 18:12.22 | subsume | I have other windows open |
| 18:12.27 | trupheenix | abrotman, i'm unable to set up apt-file since my system is broke |
| 18:12.32 | jordanm | Birdy23232: yeah, HAL is required for the automounting stuff too |
| 18:12.38 | Kuifje111 | hello all. I have a backup file here, I suspect it's been made with dd but I cannot mount it by using "-o loop". I need to determine the offset point so I've been told. How do I do this? |
| 18:12.43 | trupheenix | abrotman, can u help me and tell me which package i'm looking for? |
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| 18:12.57 | jordanm | Birdy23232: I believe the other package you are missing is called "gamin"; install that |
| 18:12.59 | trupheenix | abrotman, ld-2.11.1.so |
| 18:13.01 | subsume | let's say I have screen open with [a] [b] [c]. How to simply remove c without killing it? =) |
| 18:13.08 | trupheenix | abrotman, i want to know where ld-2.11.1.so came from |
| 18:13.09 | krabador | nothing like apple's automator , in linux/debian? |
| 18:14.09 | poisonbit | Kuifje111, what file or file -s filename tell us ? |
| 18:14.27 | subsume | argz |
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| 18:14.32 | Kuifje111 | poisonbit: backup060110 |
| 18:14.38 | jordanm | subsume: you can't remove the window and keep the application that is currently running in the foreground of that window |
| 18:15.13 | poisonbit | krabador, libxtst6 and apt-cache search you will find some X utility for the "record" extension of xorg |
| 18:15.40 | poisonbit | Kuifje111, file -ib filename ? |
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| 18:16.41 | Kuifje111 | poisonbit: "file backup060110" gives "unicode file with very long lines of text.". |
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| 18:17.37 | poisonbit | Kuifje111, I don't know if that is ok, but anyway, do you get any error trying to mount -o loop the dd file? |
| 18:18.03 | Kuifje111 | poisonbit: yes, it asked me to specify the filesystem, I tried a few filesystems but without success. |
| 18:18.04 | acu | where is xorg.conf in squeeze - it was used to be in /etc/X11 but I do not find it anymore - I want to change the resolution in a host for qemu-kvm |
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| 18:18.19 | craigevil | acu: you have to create one |
| 18:18.31 | poisonbit | Kuifje111, If you get many lines of error use /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 18:18.36 | qq- | acu, obsolete, |
| 18:18.54 | acu | what is instead of xorg.conf ? qq- |
| 18:19.04 | qq- | acu, xorg.conf |
| 18:19.08 | poisonbit | the same as in lenny ? |
| 18:19.32 | qq- | acu, create it by : X0rg -configure :0 |
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| 18:20.15 | Kuifje111 | poisonbit: I am not on linux right now, so I am afraid I can't provide you any more information. |
| 18:20.29 | qq- | acu, Xorg -config , sry |
| 18:20.30 | Kuifje111 | poisonbit: but it said that the filesystem specified was wrong. |
| 18:21.17 | poisonbit | fdisk -l filename should list the fs image if it is not compressed |
| 18:22.13 | petemc | kpartx is also useful for images with partitions |
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| 18:22.22 | Kuifje111 | poisonbit: ok, I will try that. be back in a bit. anything else I should try? |
| 18:22.24 | poisonbit | and file -s over "the first sector" (usualy bs=512 count=1) should thell you the filesystem type, uuid, etc |
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| 18:27.19 | poisonbit | mmm if you're not in linux, how did you know what file -ib returns some lines ago? |
| 18:27.22 | Mikae | $ apt-file search termcap.a |
| 18:27.22 | Mikae | libncurses5-dev: /usr/lib/libtermcap.a |
| 18:27.46 | Mikae | I did apt-get install libncurses5-dev |
| 18:27.57 | Mikae | but still don't see the file under /usr/lib. |
| 18:28.02 | Mikae | What I have to do? |
| 18:28.54 | poisonbit | $ dpkg -S /usr/lib/libtermcap.a |
| 18:28.55 | poisonbit | libncurses5-dev: /usr/lib/libtermcap.a |
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| 18:29.49 | poisonbit | ls -l /usr/lib/libncurses.a ? dpkg -l | grep libncurses5-dev ? |
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| 18:30.23 | acu | OK that screwed everything |
| 18:30.26 | acu | no X |
| 18:30.34 | Mikae | Sorry, the file present/ |
| 18:30.43 | Mikae | Let me try to compile gdb again. |
| 18:31.13 | poisonbit | acu, no X == /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 18:31.46 | wfq | guys, downloading the boot.img and debian.iso from this page http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/, will I make sure that both match the same version? |
| 18:32.17 | poisonbit | yes |
| 18:32.24 | poisonbit | I think |
| 18:32.35 | acu | howdo you reset X ? |
| 18:32.42 | poisonbit | to make sure, just compare versions in the media name |
| 18:32.55 | acu | I used to know everything - now that everything changed |
| 18:33.06 | poisonbit | acu, mv /etc/X11/{xorg.conf,shit.conf} |
| 18:34.06 | poisonbit | sorry, reset the config you're trying? or reset the server? for the server move to tty1 and restart your gdm/kdm/xdm |
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| 18:34.29 | poisonbit | i.e. /etc/init.d/gdm restart |
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| 18:36.07 | poisonbit | wfq, if you are about net/usb images... be sure that boot img and debian iso are of the same _arch_ |
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| 18:36.53 | topgun21 | is there a utility similar to the iostat command in solaris or Freebsd? |
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| 18:38.24 | poisonbit | iostat is in openbsd as well as i can remember |
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| 18:39.06 | poisonbit | http://ods.com.ua/win/eng/unix/usail/man/solaris/iostat.1.html |
| 18:39.14 | topgun21 | poisonbit, is there a similar package to that for debian? |
| 18:39.51 | valdyn | !tell topgun21 -about search |
| 18:40.07 | poisonbit | topgun21, of course |
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| 18:40.57 | jordanm | Birdy23232: any luck with gamin? |
| 18:41.03 | poisonbit | be warned that gnu tools and bsd/solaris tools have not always the same options |
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| 18:41.11 | andi100 | hi |
| 18:42.00 | Birdy23232 | jordanm, Sorry, I haven't tried, feeling lazy at the moment. (I do not have to cd disk and it's a pain switching between harddrives and going into virtual box) |
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| 18:42.43 | wfq | uff, I just created an usb installer on my memory stick. Can guess I lost the entire information I had there, did I? |
| 18:42.48 | jordanm | Birdy23232: well, i am really interested in whether or not it works, I am idle in this channel all the time so just drop me a line |
| 18:42.54 | andi100 | what's "tcgetattr: Inappropriate ioctl for device" when I (try to) boot my vServer? |
| 18:43.56 | Birdy23232 | Alright. I'm going to reboot right now. |
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| 18:46.04 | HackeMate | CutMeOwnThroat: do you remember me? |
| 18:46.34 | HackeMate | the iphone+rhythmbox+squeeze issue |
| 18:46.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | no... I have a brainwipe each night... I'm happier that way :) |
| 18:47.21 | HackeMate | nice purge system, i want one |
| 18:47.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | so did you go to squeeze? |
| 18:47.31 | jordanm | CutMeOwnThroat: is that aka alcohol? |
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| 18:47.40 | HackeMate | i updated only rhythmbox, and wow, devices still doesn't appear, lol |
| 18:47.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes... everything is new and a surprise... all over again |
| 18:47.48 | nsadmin | andi100: 'boot my vServer' is what you are interested in doing... and "tcgetattr: Inappropriate ioctl for device" is something that happened in a little tiny microscopic small piece of what you want to do.... could be anything |
| 18:47.51 | HackeMate | i didn't checked it, im planing upgrade to squeeze |
| 18:48.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, that's strange] |
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| 18:48.22 | nsadmin | it's not just one possibility, it's pretty much zillions |
| 18:49.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | I would have thought that is the most likely cause... - of course, that was a wiki, IIRC, so anyone could have written any type of crap into it |
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| 18:51.14 | ElDiabolo | What is the equivalent of fglrx-glx-ia32 and nvidia-glx-ia32 for the radeon driver? |
| 18:51.47 | valdyn | ElDiabolo: ia32-libs, probably |
| 18:52.10 | HackeMate | the worst thing i can miss, is 1hour reinstalling |
| 18:52.29 | valdyn | ElDiabolo: indeed it is |
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| 18:54.21 | lnostdal | does anyone have a solution that lets one simply edit sources.list to get flash (adobe) work on 64bit? |
| 18:54.48 | lnostdal | ..the flashplayer-nonfree package doesn't work anymore |
| 18:54.57 | valdyn | !doesn't work |
| 18:54.57 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>. |
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| 18:55.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | HackeMate, well, before you do that, you could go and try to install the ubuntu package and see if it appears there (then it'd be some difference in the configuration coming with the packages) |
| 18:56.00 | ElDiabolo | valdyn, I am somewhat sceptical since through wine (and GPU Caps Viewer) the OpenGL version is reported as 1.4 (1.5 Mesa 7.7.1), while it should simply be 1.5 Mesa 7.7.1 |
| 18:56.01 | lnostdal | yeah, as in update-flashplugin-nonfree --install wget failed to download http://people.debian.org/~bartm/flashplugin-nonfree/fp10.sha512.amd53.pgp.asc |
| 18:56.02 | craigevil | lnostdal: install flashplayer-mozilla from dmm and nspluginwrapper there is no more 64bit Adobe Flash |
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| 18:56.26 | HackeMate | ubuntu package? thats not a sacrilege? |
| 18:56.41 | HackeMate | well, i will try that |
| 18:56.46 | lnostdal | yeah, but i can't actually find flashplayer-mozilla, craigevil .. i've added the dmm repository (tried several mirrors..) |
| 18:56.58 | valdyn | ElDiabolo: how is that relevant? |
| 18:57.09 | craigevil | make sure your dmm line has non-free in it |
| 18:57.13 | ElDiabolo | craigevil, So I' lucky to have one :). |
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| 18:58.07 | valdyn | ElDiabolo: might imply that the libGL.so in ia32-libs is older than the one in libgl1-mesa*, that's all |
| 18:58.09 | ElDiabolo | valdyn, On another system that was a symptom for a missing ia32-glx-nvidia. |
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| 18:58.40 | valdyn | ElDiabolo: nvidia drivers replace mesa |
| 18:58.49 | valdyn | ElDiabolo: radeon drivers *are* part of mesa |
| 18:59.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | HackeMate, pretty much :) You'll probably be struck by lightning - but you might survive if you reinstall quickly afterwards |
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| 18:59.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | HackeMate, actually, if you look at the plugins, there's one "portable players - ipod" plugin in lenny |
| 18:59.47 | daffidity | hi. I need some help with wireless drivers please. Info on my system is here. http://dpaste.de/nKrQ/ I have never installed mad-wifi before and have the latest wireless-tools. Currently using ath5k [following instructions on debian website]. I also get an error message when i do ifconfig wlan0 up [see pastebin] Also network manager on the panel says "wireless is disable". (I have the wireless switch on) . thank you! |
| 19:00.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | HackeMate, says "Support for Apple iPod devices (show the content, play from device)" and the configure button is grayed out for me |
| 19:00.08 | italic | anyone know how to increase the font size in a framebuffer - not change the resolution? |
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| 19:00.20 | HackeMate | hmf |
| 19:00.28 | peturi | Hi, debian has old packages compared to ubuntu.. how can i fix this? |
| 19:00.30 | karsten | What are the console/curses based mail readers which support tags (eg: like gmail, but local). There's a ruby/rails based one ("sup"), thought there was another but I can't remember the name. |
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| 19:01.29 | craigevil | peturi: if you are running stable you can use the backports.org repo to get newer versions of some packages, or you can install testing |
| 19:01.30 | ElDiabolo | valdyn, So I am wondering about what wine is doing if it does not have an ia32-lib. It might fall back to the opengl network interface (that is glx, right?). |
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| 19:01.32 | karsten | peturi: Which Debian release? |
| 19:01.43 | valdyn | ElDiabolo: no |
| 19:01.45 | karsten | peturi: on stable: backports. Otherwise: testing/unstable. |
| 19:01.48 | peturi | karsten, lenny |
| 19:01.59 | karsten | italic: Generally: http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-HOWTO/Framebuffer-HOWTO.html |
| 19:02.02 | valdyn | ElDiabolo: wine cannot "fall back". Wine will use whatever is in place or fail |
| 19:02.18 | karsten | peturi: backports. |
| 19:02.19 | valdyn | ElDiabolo: ( fail to use opengl ) |
| 19:02.24 | peturi | okay |
| 19:03.02 | karsten | italic: There used to be a (SVGA) console font package, though I don't recall the name off the top of my head, nor whether it plays well with framebuffer. There's fbterm which may offer font configs. |
| 19:03.06 | valdyn | ElDiabolo: glx is and addition to opengl that is required for anything using opengl in X |
| 19:03.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | hmm |
| 19:03.53 | valdyn | ElDiabolo: opengl only draw, it cant create the canvas to draw on, that's why theres glx |
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| 19:04.13 | italic | karsten: any idea what package fbterm is in? |
| 19:04.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | HackeMate, http://www.howtoforge.com/linux_rhythmbox_ipod_p2 on this here, the ipod is simply mounted and you use rhythmbox to copy music to the regularly mounted device - could it be, that the plugin is just there to change names of the files to match the ipod format? |
| 19:04.29 | karsten | !tell italic about search |
| 19:04.36 | karsten | italic: jfbterm, apparently. |
| 19:04.54 | HackeMate | iphone=!ipod, badly for me |
| 19:04.55 | a-l-e | hi.... the last update in debian testing has left my powerpc with 16 colors... |
| 19:05.06 | italic | karsten: thanks |
| 19:05.08 | HackeMate | it has different paths and it's not managed as a usb drive |
| 19:05.16 | a-l-e | any idea how to restore the full colors? |
| 19:05.29 | ElDiabolo | valdyn, it is possible to use a subset of opengl over the network. Whats the name of that? |
| 19:05.30 | karsten | italic: ... I don't see a font option for it though. |
| 19:05.46 | valdyn | ElDiabolo: that does not exist |
| 19:05.49 | HackeMate | but i heard someone used iphones in rhythmbox using its plugins, so it should work |
| 19:05.59 | HackeMate | squeeze or ubuntu mix, it will |
| 19:06.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, right... I often only read the stard of words :) kind of |
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| 19:07.26 | a-l-e | ... no *DE to help me... |
| 19:07.37 | craigevil | italic: fbterm - A fast framebuffer based terminal emulator for Linux, uses fontconfig to manage fonts, http://code.google.com/p/fbterm/ it is in the Debian repos |
| 19:08.06 | karsten | italic: I thought there was also an fbterm package but I can't find it. |
| 19:08.09 | valdyn | ElDiabolo: i think you mean software rendering |
| 19:08.29 | a-l-e | ... and i don't find any xorg.conf file in /etc/X11... |
| 19:08.41 | nsadmin | that part is normal |
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| 19:08.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | HackeMate, I wonder - what's described there sounds pretty much what you said about music formats there... for the ipod, this is explained in more detail here http://polishlinux.org/apps/ipod-in-linux/ ... they might use the same database/name system there |
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| 19:09.26 | italic | craigevil: it doesnt seem to be in the main ones, maybe i'll have to add the repo - or its the same as jfbterm |
| 19:10.27 | craigevil | italic: its only in testing and sid, while jfbterm is also in lenny\ |
| 19:10.37 | ElDiabolo | valdyn, no. I mean think I mean GLX as in http://www.opengl.org/documentation/specs/glx/GLXprotocol.ps |
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| 19:11.51 | italic | do people run the testing branch alot? (who dont actually test) |
| 19:12.06 | Mordbrann | italic, yes |
| 19:12.11 | jordanm | italic: not recommended |
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| 19:12.47 | Mordbrann | fuck adobe and flash |
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| 19:14.15 | nsadmin | just trying to get the jist... was this intended? so I sector-copied a pv from one partition to another identically sized one, then ran pvscan... and it decided to switch to the other one |
| 19:14.30 | italic | i spilled coffee all in my laptop, now im living it up on my 400mhz machine in framebuffer mode :/ |
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| 19:15.10 | nsadmin | next time switch to alcohol! then at least you could cause a fire! |
| 19:15.16 | nima__ | hi every one i need help to install my wireless netbook |
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| 19:16.10 | craigevil | italic: you should install dvtm - Tiling window management for the console. although X works with a 400mhz cpu the de/wm depends on how much ram you have |
| 19:16.36 | nsadmin | nima: when you describe what you've done so far, what you want and where you're stuck, someone will be along shortly (it will -not- be me) |
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| 19:17.03 | pallgone | italic: not recommended maybe but quite good stuff, I have squeeze on several machines and no serious problems so far |
| 19:17.18 | nima__ | nima__, hi |
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| 19:17.43 | nima__ | plz help me i cant install my wireless on my netbook |
| 19:17.52 | nsadmin | !ask |
| 19:17.52 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 19:17.57 | nsadmin | !sicco |
| 19:17.57 | dpkg | Please ask sicco questions, questions that are Specific, Informative, Concise, Complete, and On-topic. Ask me about <research> and <cooperation in asking for help>. |
| 19:18.02 | nsadmin | !smart questions |
| 19:18.02 | dpkg | Go here to find out how to ask intelligent questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html - Be sure to look at the section http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#before - This FAQ has information to help many users solve their own problem more effectively and to help users interact more effectively with helpers. Also ask me about <reportbug>. |
| 19:18.10 | nsadmin | start with those |
| 19:18.29 | pallgone | wow, any more ! ? |
| 19:18.37 | Mordbrann | does anybody know how to get 32 bit flash working on AMD64? don't get all this chroot i386 stuff |
| 19:18.39 | nsadmin | oh, lots :) |
| 19:18.43 | nima__ | plz help me i cant install my wireless on my netbook |
| 19:19.01 | nsadmin | now ignores nima__ |
| 19:19.13 | craigevil | nima__: http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi |
| 19:19.21 | pallgone | Mordbrann: why don't you get 64bit flash? |
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| 19:19.39 | nima__ | nsadmin, why ignore me i need help |
| 19:19.39 | craigevil | pallgone: because Adobe killed 64bit flash |
| 19:19.54 | Mordbrann | pallgone, exactly what craigevil |
| 19:19.55 | pallgone | I use it in testing |
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| 19:20.12 | woshty | craigevil: "suspended" |
| 19:20.45 | Mordbrann | woshty, with no time frame for resurrecting it |
| 19:20.53 | woshty | Mordbrann: yepp |
| 19:21.16 | woshty | Mordbrann: a non-permanent open suspension |
| 19:21.18 | craigevil | Mordbrann: install nspluginwrapper then install flashplayer-mozilla from the dmm repo |
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| 19:21.55 | nsadmin | nima__: because you are repeating the same thing over and over (just so you know, there are bots that kline for that due to spam), because you have not specified anything, you have not responded to any of my questions and finally because I don't have time to deal with any of that |
| 19:22.05 | Mordbrann | craigevil, ty... trying now |
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| 19:22.36 | pallgone | Mordbrann: are you on lenny? |
| 19:22.44 | Voldenet | nima__, use the force! |
| 19:22.54 | Voldenet | hint: iwconfig |
| 19:23.00 | Voldenet | RTFM and GTFO |
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| 19:23.15 | nima__ | Voldenet, force? what the force?im too beginer to use linux |
| 19:23.29 | nima__ | Voldenet, plz help me to install it |
| 19:23.38 | Mordbrann | pallgone, sid/squeeze |
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| 19:23.54 | Voldenet | nima__, join channel where they speak your language, you are from Russia or what? |
| 19:23.59 | Mordbrann | nima_, http://ubuntu.org |
| 19:24.03 | nsadmin | if you're too beginner to use it why install it? (just curious) |
| 19:24.27 | pallgone | Mordbrann: "aptitude install flashplugin-nonfree" |
| 19:24.34 | Voldenet | Well, when i was begginer, i wasnt asking stupid questions... |
| 19:24.35 | craigevil | who doesn't know what "the force" is? |
| 19:24.41 | nima__ | Voldenet, no im from iran and i dont know any chanel |
| 19:24.53 | nsadmin | someone who hasn't heard of R2D2 |
| 19:24.57 | craigevil | pallgone: there is no 64bit gflashplugin-nonfree it was rmeoved |
| 19:24.57 | italic | google-chrome includes flash now |
| 19:24.57 | nima__ | Voldenet, i need help plz :(( |
| 19:25.06 | Mordbrann | pallgone, ERROR: 64 bit player temporarily not supported |
| 19:25.28 | pallgone | craigevil: hmm... quite recently then? I've just installed it a few weeks ago |
| 19:25.30 | nsadmin | nima: when you describe what you've done so far, what you want and where you're stuck, someone will be along shortly (it will -not- be me) |
| 19:25.31 | nima__ | jordanm, hi can u help me to install my wireless? |
| 19:25.32 | woshty | craigevil: most likely because there are no more bugfixes |
| 19:25.38 | craigevil | pallgone: in the last couple of days |
| 19:25.44 | nima__ | jordanm, are frind of allenjohnson? |
| 19:25.56 | woshty | nima__: you do _not_ want to use debian if you are a beginner. |
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| 19:26.21 | Voldenet | nima__, join #debian-ir |
| 19:26.48 | nima__ | Voldenet, r u angry? |
| 19:26.49 | nsadmin | well that's not necessarily true, but in this case he's not being cooperative in asking for help |
| 19:27.00 | woshty | nima__: choose another distribution that is more beginner-friendly .. like the earlier mentioned ubutu |
| 19:27.17 | Voldenet | nima__, no I just cant help you because im quite busy nwo |
| 19:27.18 | Voldenet | now* |
| 19:27.24 | nima__ | Voldenet, ok jordan and allenjohnson help me later |
| 19:27.45 | nima__ | Voldenet, tnx man ;) |
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| 19:29.33 | nima__ | Voldenet, no body on in the #debian-ir |
| 19:29.59 | nima__ | who can help me install my netbook wireless plz help me i need wireless |
| 19:30.32 | hansin | Does this channel tie into "irc.debian.org" or is that a separate channel? I am connect here via "irc.freenode.net". Thanks. |
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| 19:31.11 | lilith_ | hi |
| 19:31.39 | nima__ | who can help me install my netbook wireless plz help me i need wireless |
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| 19:31.41 | Mordbrann | nima_, nobody is going to help you because you provide no details |
| 19:31.53 | hansin | nima__: What is your wireless chipset? What version of Debian are you running? I assume you are in a graphical environment, but is it Gnome? Yes, details... |
| 19:32.05 | lilith_ | has anyone used gdm3? googling just brings up a series of bugs.Anyone have good experiences? |
| 19:32.29 | daffidity | Mordbrann : I provided lots of details and still no one helped me :-( |
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| 19:32.57 | nima__ | hansin, yes i use squeez debian 2.6.32 |
| 19:33.09 | daffidity | complains about life being unfair |
| 19:33.19 | davis | yesterday i was talking to someone here about my dpkg-dev upgrade beikng stuck. someone told me about doing a manual reinstall of a package from cache. Something like dpkg -iv --reinstall /var/apt/cache/dpkg-dev.... Anybody know the proper command syntax? I want to add it to my notes. |
| 19:33.47 | amgarchIn9 | so I changed references to partitions in /etc/fstab to UUID and root=UUID=... of the kernel command line argument in /boo/grub/menu.lst. Did I forget anything? |
| 19:34.04 | nima__ | hansin, can u help me to install my wireless |
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| 19:34.17 | Mordbrann | daffidity, what's your problem? |
| 19:34.52 | woshty | daffidity: stuck is no detailed description |
| 19:34.56 | Birdy2323 | Thanks jordanm, that fixed my desktop problem. ( gamin ) |
| 19:35.00 | nima__ | hansin, my wireless chipset brodcom |
| 19:35.11 | daffidity | Mordbrann : (19:59:15) daffidity: hi. I need some help with wireless drivers please. Info on my system is here. http://dpaste.de/nKrQ/ I have never installed mad-wifi before and have the latest wireless-tools. Currently using ath5k [following instructions on debian website]. I also get an error message when i do ifconfig wlan0 up [see pastebin] Also network manager on the panel says "wireless is disable". (I have the wireless switch on) . thank you |
| 19:35.23 | daffidity | woshty : I never said i was stuck |
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| 19:35.40 | SparFux | Hi all. |
| 19:35.44 | woshty | daffidity: sorry, mistook u for davis |
| 19:35.46 | Mordbrann | daffidity, the paste is gone |
| 19:35.51 | daffidity | oh sorry |
| 19:35.52 | daffidity | one sec |
| 19:36.08 | nima__ | hansin, im wait for u |
| 19:36.15 | nima__ | who can help me install my netbook wireless plz help me i need wireless |
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| 19:36.32 | daffidity | Mordbrann: http://pastebin.com/Nfa3w1bL |
| 19:36.36 | Mordbrann | can somebody boot nima_ |
| 19:36.55 | Birdy2323 | jordanm, In case you're wondering, I used this disk: Debian GNU/Linux 5.0.4 "Lenny" - Official i386 xfce+lxde-CD Binary-1 |
| 19:37.14 | ElDiabolo | daffidity, please paste output: lspci | grep -i net |
| 19:37.39 | jordanm | Birdy2323: good to hear :). It sounds like for whatever reason it installed xfce "without recommends" |
| 19:37.44 | Mordbrann | daffidity, does lsmod show the correct module loaded? |
| 19:37.51 | jordanm | which means it works, but possibly with missing functionality |
| 19:38.08 | hansin | nima__: I'm posting two links for you; start there. Remember, google is your friend for these kind of things. |
| 19:38.10 | daffidity | ElDiabolo : http://pastebin.com/CnGsdVFV |
| 19:38.16 | hansin | http://wiki.debian.org/wl |
| 19:38.23 | hansin | http://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx |
| 19:39.01 | nima__ | hansin, yes i know but im search in google and i try then i come here for give help |
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| 19:39.58 | woshty | daffidity: http://www.opennet.ru/tips/info/2214.shtml |
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| 19:40.26 | hansin | nima__: Well, here is more (terms I searched): http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=7LN&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&&sa=X&ei=6MobTIr_EoLSNeHOlMwL&ved=0CBEQBSgA&q=debian+squeeze+broadcom+chipset&spell=1 |
| 19:41.16 | daffidity | Mordbrann : I just tried running the set of commands in this bug report and it sort of works now but I assume that i have to do it each time at boot up. lsmod says that ath5k is loaded. http://pastebin.com/6G30kwKQ. Is there a way to know what is hard blocking my wireless? [when i do rfkill list] |
| 19:41.32 | daffidity | mordbrann: bug report https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/464559 |
| 19:41.58 | hansin | I don't have much more info than that. In regards to help in IRC, you need to ask with details and then you may or may not get a response whether someone can help or not. It can be hit or miss, but if you ask too much after already asking people don't always like that. Just a head's up. |
| 19:41.59 | SparFux | Anybody using Xmonad? I cannot get any windows floating automatically with doFloat. Anybody seeing this, too? |
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| 19:43.28 | nsadmin | already explained that. apparantly he's not willing to read stuff and also not willing to give details quickly when asked... in short, he's qualified for a paid support contract |
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| 19:45.50 | daffidity | woshty: I cannot read russian but I dont seem to have an /usr/local/sbin/unlock-wlan |
| 19:45.59 | Mordbrann | daffidity, not much you can do about a bug like that, but I am having to do a wireless workaround myself... |
| 19:46.32 | daffidity | Mordbrann : Is writing a start up script a sensible idea at this point? |
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| 19:47.29 | Mordbrann | daffidity, maybe, but those commands aren't too hard to type once they're in your history. I'd just make a script you can run after you login |
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| 19:48.10 | daffidity | Mordbrann, woshy: okies. thanks for the help anyway. I will have a poke around coz strangely ath5k used to work in lenny |
| 19:48.24 | daffidity | which is what annoys me. |
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| 19:51.12 | hansin | Just installed a minimal Debian Squeeze/Testings install on and PC I use as a server. One question I have is why does Exim4 always seem to be installed and started by default? Is there a dependency on having to have an MTA, or is it just an assumption that one would want one? |
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| 19:51.25 | hansin | Maybe be default it runs to send server messages? |
| 19:51.39 | hansin | by default |
| 19:52.05 | Mordbrann | hansin, apt-get remove --purge exim4 |
| 19:52.23 | Mordbrann | exim4 / mta is suggested by a lot of packages |
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| 19:53.25 | jordanm | !standard |
| 19:53.26 | dpkg | [standard] when people write down their ideas, ignoring other (better) ideas and then argumenting that the other (better) ideas are bad since they are not standard. See <wifi> |
| 19:53.31 | jordanm | !standard task |
| 19:53.31 | dpkg | i guess standard task is a "task" that should be installed on all machines during the installer stage. It installs packages that are important, required and standard (i.e. "aptitude install ~pstandard ~prequired ~pimportant"). For a list of packages see http://wiki.debian.org/tasksel . Also ask me about <tasksel>. |
| 19:54.01 | jordanm | hansin: usually cron is the first to pull in the MTA |
| 19:54.21 | jordanm | !tell Mordbrann about why aptitude |
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| 19:55.12 | hansin | Thanks Mordbrann and jordanm. And thanks mr. dpkg!! |
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| 19:55.36 | Birdy2323 | thought dpkg is female.. <.< |
| 19:56.06 | hansin | I'll probably just disable the service for now if I want, but I could use to learn a little more about mail servers anyway. |
| 19:56.37 | hansin | Birdy2323: My bad. Thanks ms. dpkg!! |
| 19:56.38 | jordanm | hansin: by default it will only listen and deliver locally. if you disable it, root will get no mail about failed cron jobs |
| 19:57.02 | pallgone | hansin: poor root |
| 19:57.37 | jordanm | yeah, he gets lonely without the daily email report |
| 19:58.45 | hansin | jordanm: Hmm, did not know that. I'll just keep running it for now. You are right, I just booted up the server, did a |
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| 19:59.15 | hansin | netstat -an, and it is only listening on localhost. Should have maybe seen that, but now I know to look a little closer. |
| 19:59.25 | gigo | Is there any emulator on Debian to emulate a big endian machine. I want to test a C code of mine to check whether it can detect endianness correctly. |
| 19:59.28 | hansin | Thanks. |
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| 20:02.18 | gigo | please help me. |
| 20:03.04 | jordanm | !ask |
| 20:03.04 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 20:03.19 | mr_fribble | Hi |
| 20:03.27 | hansin | gigo: Maybe check out qemu |
| 20:03.31 | mr_fribble | Are there any packages for 32 bits for SSL? |
| 20:03.35 | mr_fribble | or mysql |
| 20:04.06 | abrotman | yes .. debian has openssl |
| 20:04.09 | abrotman | and mysql |
| 20:04.17 | mr_fribble | Could you please tell me what are the package name? |
| 20:04.20 | abrotman | gigo: maybe qemu |
| 20:04.31 | abrotman | mr_fribble: apt-cache search openssl ... apt-cache search mysql |
| 20:04.34 | abrotman | !search |
| 20:04.34 | dpkg | Please search for things rather than just asking, e.g. 'apt-cache search regex', or with <aptitude search>. The following ways can locate packages that own a file (installed, or candidate for install): 'dpkg -S /bin/foo', <apt-file>, <pdo> (online) and <help find> (bot). <search dpkg> for factoids. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt and ask me about <bot help>. |
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| 20:05.25 | mr_fribble | abrotman: I don't have access to it at the moment. So could you Please tell me the package name? |
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| 20:06.36 | jordanm | mr_fribble: don't have access to what? |
| 20:06.49 | jordanm | mr_fribble: a web browser? the machine you plan to install a package on? |
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| 20:09.52 | Birdy2323 | It was nice hanging out, I'll be right back. |
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| 20:13.17 | gigo | are there any other emulators apart from qemu? |
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| 20:14.02 | maligor | for what target? |
| 20:14.28 | jelly | hmph, aptitude doesn't have --print-uris |
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| 20:15.10 | jordanm | jelly: but it has minesweeper! |
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| 20:15.39 | jelly | I don't use the interactive tool, reminds me of dselect too much |
| 20:15.46 | jelly | shivers |
| 20:16.12 | gigo | is qemu a heavy emulator? |
| 20:16.15 | jordanm | jelly: but minesweeper is still obviously a more important feature |
| 20:16.20 | gigo | i want a very light emulator that can run in console mode. |
| 20:16.29 | jordanm | gigo: to emulate what? |
| 20:16.41 | jordanm | an i386 machine? |
| 20:16.46 | acu | gigo: what is heavy ? |
| 20:16.59 | gigo | jordanm, a powerpc machine. i want to test my C code for big endianness |
| 20:17.14 | gigo | acu: heavy meaning, consumes lots of resources, requires X server, etc. |
| 20:17.19 | jelly | gigo: you won't find a "light" emulator anywhere then |
| 20:17.34 | gigo | ok, is X server necessary? |
| 20:17.47 | jordanm | ,info pearpc |
| 20:17.48 | judd | pearpc (otherosfs, optional): PowerPC architecture emulator. Version: 0.4.0-3.1; Size: 355.8k; Installed: 956k |
| 20:18.06 | jelly | gigo: qemu doesn't require X, but it really depends on the machine you're emulating |
| 20:18.11 | acu | gigo: is actually kvm (now called qemu-kvm) |
| 20:18.26 | jelly | acu: not for it isn't |
| 20:18.31 | jelly | ppc* |
| 20:18.40 | gigo | i want to emulate powerpc, just to run my c code. |
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| 20:19.05 | acu | I use virt-manager with qemu-kvm - but I have all my virtual machines run linux |
| 20:19.11 | jelly | gigo: eg. emulating a sparcstation 20 (32 bit sparc, incidentally also bigendian) doesn't require X |
| 20:19.15 | jordanm | gigo: I would look into pearpc that I found via aptitude's kick-ass search abilities |
| 20:19.33 | jelly | gigo: but it's useful if you emulate its graphical console instead of the serial one |
| 20:20.12 | jelly | or was it an ss5 qemu did. Doesn't matter anyway. |
| 20:20.19 | gigo | since my requirement is so simple, i.e. simply compiling my C code and executing it i am looking for a minimalistic solution. thanks for the suggetions. let me try pearpc and qemu with sparcstation 20 |
| 20:20.38 | gigo | do I have to install OS on qemu machine? |
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| 20:21.03 | jelly | gigo: if your code boots and runs on a sun sparc machine, no |
| 20:21.17 | gigo | oh, my code doesn't boot. :( |
| 20:21.24 | jelly | (IOTW, yes you need an OS) |
| 20:21.32 | gigo | what's IOTW? |
| 20:21.38 | jelly | in other words |
| 20:21.45 | jelly | maybe |
| 20:21.46 | Birdy2323 | BTW, is there a heavy difference between "Un*x and GNU"? |
| 20:22.13 | jelly | Birdy2323: between "Un*x and GNU" and what? |
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| 20:22.47 | gigo | can I install debian on qemu powerpc emulation? |
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| 20:23.13 | jelly | one would hope so |
| 20:23.20 | Mr-R | Birdy2323: oh. thats easy: GNU stands for: Gnu is Not Unix. |
| 20:23.34 | jelly | Linux was pretty much the only usable OS on qemu-system-sparc when I tried it |
| 20:23.39 | jordanm | Birdy2323: there are plenty of differences. mostly what makes them similar are POSIX standards and FHS standards |
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| 20:24.31 | jordanm | Birdy2323: even things such as find(1) and grep(1) will function differently on non-GNU systems |
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| 20:25.10 | jelly | or vice versa |
| 20:25.29 | Birdy2323 | Wow. I thought it's more of a licensing brand or something. 0_o |
| 20:26.02 | Birdy2323 | Yay. To the google mobile! |
| 20:26.19 | jelly | Birdy2323: we don't know what you mean by "Un*x", and this is probably not the right place to ask. However in absence of tech support questions, even idle curiosity may be satisfied |
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| 20:26.51 | jelly | www.gnu.org and even wikipedia might shed some light on the matter |
| 20:26.57 | Birdy2323 | I was reading it off of an installation guide/menu thing. |
| 20:27.52 | acu | Birdy2323: do yourself a favor and install debian :) |
| 20:28.28 | acu | debian-installer - go to daily - for squeeze download netinstall and boot your computer |
| 20:28.28 | hramrach | Hello |
| 20:28.38 | acu | olleH |
| 20:28.41 | hramrach | any repacement for hotkey that does not segfault on startup? |
| 20:28.43 | jelly | Birdy2323: heh, reading what exactly, off what exactly? |
| 20:28.45 | gigo | Which of these Debian distros can I use for big endianness? => [alpha][amd64][arm][armel][hppa][i386][ia64][mips][mipsel][powerpc][sparc][s390][source][multi-arch] |
| 20:29.17 | Birdy2323 | I already did, In fact, I'm on it now chatting. (through virtual box; REAL harddrive). For a while, I was moving this harddrive to other computers. |
| 20:29.32 | acu | wow |
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| 20:30.30 | jelly | gigo: sparc probably won't work until sparc64 support is good enough in qemu; I'd get something like debian 3.1 or 4.0 images for sparc with 32bit cpu support, to run under qemu-system-sparc |
| 20:31.13 | jelly | I can't say anything about other big endian arches |
| 20:31.14 | gigo | jelly, i didn't get you. if sparc won't work then why do you suggest me to install sparc distro? |
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| 20:32.50 | jelly | gigo: current release of debian won't work as it only supports sparc64 cpus, which AFAIK qemu doesn't emulate well enough yet. Older ones (sarge or etch) will work with an emulated 32bit sparc machine |
| 20:32.53 | Birdy2323 | jelly, I was reading it from here: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch02s04.html.en#id2757624 |
| 20:33.00 | acu | gigo: you are confused it seem - you can install debian NATIVELY on the from barebone on a spark - or you can install your debian spark as a virtual machine |
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| 20:33.28 | gigo | acu, yes, I am talking about installing sparc on qemu virtual machine |
| 20:33.44 | jelly | if he had a real machien we wouldn't be having tis conversation |
| 20:34.08 | gigo | jelly, I am curious why Lenny doesn't support sparc 32? |
| 20:34.13 | jordanm | gigo: I bought a real sparc machine for around $30 off of craigslist... |
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| 20:34.36 | gigo | wow! for $30 it is awesome for a hobbyist. :-) |
| 20:34.39 | jelly | gigo: because Linux kernel doesn't support it either and more |
| 20:34.45 | jelly | any* more |
| 20:34.48 | acu | they are dead |
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| 20:35.02 | gigo | oh, powerpc is dead as well? |
| 20:35.16 | jelly | gigo: netbsd does a better job at supporting different, older hardware than linux |
| 20:35.23 | gigo | ok |
| 20:35.24 | acu | powerpc cpu is used only in sony playstations - |
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| 20:35.57 | acu | since Apple dropped it I think only playstations and some IBM servers uses powerpc |
| 20:35.57 | jordanm | ps3 uses ppc64 IIRC |
| 20:36.07 | jelly | gigo: you might probably find ready-made OS images for qemu on the internet if you look, but this is outside of the scope of this channel |
| 20:36.17 | jelly | !qemu |
| 20:36.17 | dpkg | QEMU is a fast PC emulator. <PXE> boot roms (pxe-e1000.bin, pxe-ne2k_pci.bin, pxe-pcnet.bin, pxe-rtl8139.bin) are not supplied in Lenny's version (Debian bug #412010); acquire and place within /usr/share/qemu if desired. Lenny users, see <mmap_min_addr>. http://qemu-buch.de/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/FrequentlyAskedQuestions http://www.qemu.org/ #qemu on irc.freenode.net. See also <kqemu>, <virtualization>. |
| 20:36.36 | acu | !kvm |
| 20:36.36 | dpkg | somebody said kvm was kernel virtual memory, or keyboard/video/mouse. Kernel-based Virtual Machine, packaged for Debian as kvm in Lenny, qemu-kvm in Squeeze; see http://wiki.debian.org/KVM for installation instructions. Also ask me about <xve>. http://www.linux-kvm.org/ #kvm on irc.freenode.net. See also <virtualization>. |
| 20:36.52 | jelly | !tell acu about msg the bot |
| 20:37.09 | jordanm | !tell jelly about qotd0 |
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| 20:41.33 | lilith_ | anyone remember what utility is used to make a list of one's installed apps. It's used by apt utils to make a quick duplicate of a previous install. |
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| 20:43.28 | jordanm | !aptitude clone |
| 20:43.29 | dpkg | To clone a Debian machine using aptitude (or install your favourite packages) use aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M' > package_list; on the reference machine; xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < package_list; aptitude install; on the other machine. This preserves information about "automatically installed" packages that other methods do not. See also <reinstall>, <things to backup>. <debian clone> |
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| 20:44.34 | qq- | gigo, http://people.debian.org/~aurel32/qemu/sparc/ |
| 20:45.15 | lilith_ | thanks |
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| 20:48.32 | jelly | qq-: nice! |
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| 20:51.44 | nsaguy | Hi. What package (on lenny) do I need to generate a new initrd.img? |
| 20:52.21 | jelly | nsaguy: initramfs-tools and it's probably already there |
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| 20:53.48 | hansin | gigo: That looks pretty nice and what you would need. I'm downloading myself just to have a look. AFAIK, qemu and qemu-kvm are not the same. You should just need qemu. kvm-qemu I think is a more complete virtualization solution that just happens to use parts of qemu. That is my understanding. |
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| 20:56.23 | nsaguy | jelly: ok, thanks |
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| 20:59.35 | cronix | hi all |
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| 20:59.47 | cronix | im hardening my debian installation atm |
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| 20:59.54 | cronix | and was going to install bastille |
| 21:00.04 | anisfarhana | cronix: good luck! |
| 21:00.13 | cronix | its now complaining about dependencies on a script i placed into /etc/init.d/ |
| 21:00.14 | lilith_ | oops. irc crashed |
| 21:00.35 | cronix | script is just setting up some iptables rules to rate limit all sshd ports |
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| 21:00.47 | jordanm | !iptables |
| 21:00.47 | dpkg | [iptables] The user-space process used to administer iptables kernel parts on top of netfilter, or ask me about <netfilter docs>, or at http://netfilter.org/ or http://lartc.org/.(check it out because iptables (2.4.x) has some security holes) See also: <masq>, or try #iptables (irc.freenode.net) for help, or for a proper Debian-way of setting up iptables, please read http://wiki.debian.org/iptables |
| 21:00.52 | cronix | and |
| 21:01.00 | cronix | this is the error i get when trying to install bastille |
| 21:01.01 | cronix | http://pastebin.com/9m6H3hN1 |
| 21:01.11 | jelly | $DEITY, I remember bastille from like 1998. It did horrible things to a Debian system then. |
| 21:01.14 | jordanm | cronix: that typically done with post-up commands in /etc/network/interfaces, not init script |
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| 21:01.38 | jordanm | cronix: you are bothering with hardening on testing? |
| 21:02.13 | cronix | yes |
| 21:02.15 | lilith_ | what was that cloning procedure again? sorry |
| 21:02.20 | cronix | cuz system is already setup |
| 21:02.23 | jelly | lilith_: /msg dpkg aptitude clone |
| 21:02.24 | jordanm | !tell lilith_ about aptitude clone |
| 21:02.30 | jordanm | cronix: so? |
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| 21:02.42 | jordanm | !tell cronix about moving target |
| 21:03.46 | lilith_ | thanks again guys |
| 21:03.46 | jelly | cronix: testing receives no security updates; keeping track of issues in your installed snpshot of testing is going to be interesting |
| 21:03.46 | jordanm | cronix: not recommended to run testing in production or critical systems you would take the time to harden with bastile |
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| 21:20.13 | lilith_ | I'm trying to open the dir containing a downloaded file . Iḿ using ff and it's asking me to tell it which app to use. Am I just supposed to find my file manager in /usr/bin/ ? |
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| 21:23.47 | valdyn | lilith_: just select Save File... |
| 21:23.51 | hramrach | how do I make the extra keys on the keyboard do something other than occupy desk space? |
| 21:24.07 | lilith_ | already saved |
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| 21:24.23 | lilith_ | I want the file manager to open its dir |
| 21:25.02 | _2 | gnome = nautilus kde = konqueror xfce = thunner |
| 21:25.15 | hramrach | it's an extra option in the download manager |
| 21:25.17 | _2 | tell it what it wants to know, it will to the rest |
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| 21:25.33 | _2 | s/to/do/ |
| 21:25.35 | hramrach | lilith_: just right-click the file in there |
| 21:25.57 | lilith_ | to do that from ff would mean finding the app in /usr/bin, correct? |
| 21:26.04 | _2 | no |
| 21:26.19 | _2 | you don't need to find thing that are in your path |
| 21:26.53 | _2 | anyway, i went. |
| 21:27.01 | lilith_ | but ff needs to find the filemanager |
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| 21:28.28 | lilith_ | I'm talking about automating this. I know I can manually do about looking for my downloaded file. That's not the point. I'm setting this up for my sister and it's got to be dumb proof. |
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| 21:29.09 | hramrach | lilith_: right-click the file in download manager |
| 21:29.19 | lilith_ | yes I do do that |
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| 21:29.55 | hramrach | that's the most automated way |
| 21:30.26 | lilith_ | the thing is, it doesn't know what to open the dir with or rather pass off the "open dir" message to |
| 21:30.34 | lilith_ | so it's not automated |
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| 21:31.33 | hramrach | lilith_: you probably don't have a file manager installed |
| 21:31.55 | hramrach | or you should be using iceweasel which would know which one is installed |
| 21:32.05 | lilith_ | in the dialogue that pops up, I can find the file file manager but that would mean directly finding it in /usr/bin and I don't if that is advised, giving access to that level in the FS |
| 21:32.35 | lilith_ | actually I am using iceweasel. I wrote ff out of force of habit |
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| 21:33.41 | lilith_ | I have two file managers installed, PCManFM & what ever e17's fm is |
| 21:33.45 | hramrach | then it should know about your installed applications and as long as you have a file menager it should open the directory |
| 21:33.57 | lilith_ | which, isn't all that great |
| 21:34.22 | lilith_ | the point is, it doesn't. Why is that so hard to understand. I¡m not making this up |
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| 21:35.43 | hramrach | then it's probably a bug in pcman packaging. It should register itself for the mime type |
| 21:36.19 | lilith_ | ah |
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| 21:37.10 | lilith_ | but is it safe to direct iceweasel to /usr/bin/pcmanfm ? |
| 21:37.27 | hramrach | yes, it works for me |
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| 21:38.14 | lilith_ | thank you |
| 21:38.45 | lilith_ | by the way anyone know what e17's file manager is called? |
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| 21:39.38 | jordanm | lilith_: I don't think it has one specific to enlightenment |
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| 21:42.29 | sahko | hi, what is the default cron package in debian? vixie-cron? |
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| 21:42.43 | lilith_ | well e17 installed with on |
| 21:42.48 | lilith_ | e |
| 21:43.03 | lilith_ | it's buggy anyway |
| 21:43.39 | jordanm | sahko: yes, IIRC |
| 21:44.11 | jordanm | lilith_: yes, e17 is still in development |
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| 21:44.30 | jordanm | last I looked... they actually deprecated e16 before e17 was close to ready... |
| 21:44.42 | sahko | jordanm: its just the version of http://packages.debian.org/sid/cron is 3.0pl1 while vixie-cron's latest version from 2005 is 4.1 |
| 21:45.09 | jordanm | ,versions cron |
| 21:45.10 | judd | cron -- etch: 3.0pl1-100; lenny: 3.0pl1-105; squeeze: 3.0pl1-111; sid: 3.0pl1-113 |
| 21:45.16 | jordanm | ,versions vixie-cron |
| 21:45.17 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'vixie-cron' was found. |
| 21:46.12 | sahko | as a non debian user im confused too:) |
| 21:46.41 | lilith_ | for the record' IÇe always had the at problem with debian. Maybe it's the cli install I do but I've never made a big deal out of it. It's just now this install is for my sis and so Debian (,gnu-linux and my rep) are on the line |
| 21:47.47 | jordanm | lilith_: what at problem? |
| 21:48.14 | lilith_ | and she wanted e17 and elive was out of the question. And moonos and opengue were also out becaues they are ubuntu based and because I can be sure that they'll be around tomorrow |
| 21:48.28 | jordanm | sahko: I would suggest fetching it and looking at the documentation. I expect that its either vixie-cron or vixie-cron like. |
| 21:49.02 | jordanm | lilith_: I would have advised against e17... |
| 21:49.07 | Mikae | Strange, I run fakeroot debian/rules binary and get: No patches to apply. How can I force compilation? |
| 21:49.12 | jordanm | but thats her choice I suppose |
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| 21:49.28 | lilith_ | file manager never registering as being accessible to open dl'd files. That's all, but problem solved |
| 21:49.52 | jordanm | Mikae: pastebin the actual command and error |
| 21:50.39 | jordanm | Mikae: is this a package you are creating or an existing package you are rebuilding? |
| 21:50.45 | lilith_ | that's her choice but it's been me who has to do this custom install, and X gave me such problems but enough of whining. It's almost done anyway |
| 21:50.57 | Mikae | jordanm: http://pastebin.org/340147 |
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| 21:51.43 | sahko | jordanm: i found this http://pthree.org/2010/01/04/does-debian-deviate-from-standards-or-upstream/ which indicates its definitely vixie. i would suspect that the -113 build number indicates what kind of vixie it is.. |
| 21:51.51 | sahko | anyway thanks a lot. take care |
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| 21:52.03 | redDEADresolve | my debian install says kinit: No resume image, doing normal boot /bin/sh Can't open /etc/init.d/rcS INIT Entering runlevel: 2 |
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| 21:53.05 | acu | how can I see a list of the users in a system |
| 21:53.33 | qq- | ls /home |
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| 21:53.35 | streuner | acu: w, who |
| 21:53.45 | gigo | what am I going to miss if I install businesscard.iso ? |
| 21:54.08 | redDEADresolve | gigo not much, you get controll of pretty much your whole system |
| 21:54.10 | streuner | acu: all users or user who are acutally logged in? |
| 21:54.10 | jordanm | Mikae: and you are trying to rebuild the libc6 package? |
| 21:54.11 | jm | the satisfaction of knowing that you downloaded a larger image |
| 21:54.20 | acu | all users |
| 21:54.21 | Mikae | jordanm: Yeah, right. |
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| 21:54.23 | jelly-home | acu: all existing? currently logged in? |
| 21:54.29 | acu | all existing |
| 21:54.29 | Mikae | I do it 3rd time I think. |
| 21:54.39 | gigo | jm, but downloading a smaller image is more satisfying. |
| 21:54.45 | jelly-home | acu: getent passwd |
| 21:54.59 | Saz|Mobile | is it possible to transfer the output of a currently running foreground application to a screen session so I can view it in another ssh session? |
| 21:55.03 | jm | gigo, I suppose you could make an argument that the businesscard iso leads to more fragmentation, as it has to download more stuff from the internet |
| 21:55.14 | gigo | ok |
| 21:55.20 | jm | it would be less practical if you were going to do netinstall on several machines, too |
| 21:55.22 | jordanm | Mikae: what? |
| 21:55.24 | gigo | but i heard that linux doesn't have much fragmentation problem |
| 21:55.36 | acu | thanks jelly-home |
| 21:55.43 | Mikae | jordanm: Rebuilding glibc I mean. |
| 21:55.45 | jm | you're going to have to download the extra data anyway when you do the netinstall |
| 21:55.58 | redDEADresolve | hey can you guys hear me? |
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| 21:56.10 | lilith_ | jordanm: it's nearing release but then again I think they've been saying for years |
| 21:56.13 | jelly-home | redDEADresolve: no! |
| 21:56.14 | Saz|Mobile | I need to view the output of an rsync transfer I started at home from another computer |
| 21:56.18 | jordanm | Mikae: its your 3rd time doing it? why? |
| 21:56.21 | KaffeeJunky123 | gnome-keybinding-properties is crashing for me on lenny |
| 21:56.34 | jelly-home | redDEADresolve: we read you well though |
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| 21:56.52 | jordanm | lilith_: xfce and lxde are good, stable replacements |
| 21:56.53 | redDEADresolve | jelly, thanks just manking sure |
| 21:56.58 | lilith_ | and there at least 3 distros using it as part of their functional if not stable releases |
| 21:57.11 | lilith_ | yeah,I advised lxde |
| 21:57.18 | jordanm | pentoo... |
| 21:57.19 | Mikae | 1st time I recompiled it with -gstabs options that doesn't work on 64bit Debian. Next time I recompiled it with '-g' option but optimization is evil for debugging. |
| 21:57.33 | lilith_ | I have it running on an old ppc mac and it works great |
| 21:57.38 | Mikae | So now I want to recompile with -O0 option. |
| 21:57.41 | KaffeeJunky123 | http://pastie.org/1010802 this is the output I get in the console when trying to run gnome-keybinding-properties |
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| 21:58.06 | jelly-home | Mikae: libc6-dbg and friends packages are useless for your purpose? |
| 21:58.39 | Mikae | Yes, I need debug information, not only .symtab. |
| 21:58.46 | KaffeeJunky123 | does anyone have an idea what could cause this? |
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| 22:00.58 | qq- | KaffeeJunky123, from where come this > buildd-glib2.0_2.22.4-1~bpo50+1-amd64- ? |
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| 22:01.20 | KaffeeJunky123 | qq-: lenny backports repo |
| 22:01.26 | redDEADresolve | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:01.52 | qq- | KaffeeJunky123, i saw it , but why use it ? |
| 22:02.25 | qq- | !bpo |
| 22:02.26 | dpkg | backports.org is a semi-official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://deb.li/bpoi . A sample line for your sources.list is: deb http://www.backports.org/debian lenny-backports main contrib non-free. Once added: "aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update". <bpo mirrors> <bpo contents> <bpo list> <backports-users> |
| 22:02.54 | infid | does Blowfish create one-way hashes? wikpedia doesnt say anything about that |
| 22:03.01 | qq- | KaffeeJunky123, see 'semi-official' ^^ |
| 22:03.22 | KaffeeJunky123 | qq-: oh um I guess I typed in aptitude -t lenny-backports upgrade or something :< |
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| 22:04.05 | KaffeeJunky123 | qq-: do you know a way to revert this? |
| 22:04.06 | qq- | huh , 'lenny-backports upgrade' never seen that before |
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| 22:04.47 | qq- | KaffeeJunky123, try reinstall , remove backports from sources |
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| 22:05.24 | qq- | first .. |
| 22:05.36 | KaffeeJunky123 | ofc |
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| 22:07.36 | krynr | infid: blowfish is a chipher, so no. it does not created hashes, it encrypts data |
| 22:09.07 | acu | how can I connect to a server with ssh and xterm ? |
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| 22:09.52 | infid | thanks krynr |
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| 22:10.08 | jelly-home | acu: open an xterm and ssh to the server? |
| 22:10.13 | krynr | infid: you're wellcome :-) |
| 22:10.56 | jelly-home | acu: what seems to be the problem? |
| 22:11.00 | acu | I understood that I can connect to a remote server and have gui only for one application (not like vnc) |
| 22:11.07 | acu | I just want to connect |
| 22:11.12 | acu | that's all |
| 22:11.19 | jelly-home | acu: /msg dpkg sshx |
| 22:11.28 | krynr | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:11.32 | qq- | acu, xtightvncviewer .. |
| 22:11.44 | jelly-home | krynr: without that first space |
| 22:11.46 | gigo | can't debian partition disk as small as 500 MB automatically? |
| 22:12.06 | KaffeeJunky123 | qq-: well reinstalling the trouble causing packages through synaptic isn't possible :/ |
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| 22:12.14 | krynr | jelly-home: yes, thanks for reminding. sorry |
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| 22:12.28 | gigo | I get the error message, "This probably happened because the selected disk or free space is too small to be automatically partitioned." |
| 22:12.30 | KaffeeJunky123 | qq-: I'll try aptitude ^^ |
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| 22:13.55 | jelly-home | gigo: give it a bigger disk? |
| 22:14.07 | gigo | i am partitioning manually now. |
| 22:14.17 | jelly-home | gigo: were those ready-made images not good enough? |
| 22:14.37 | gigo | they are probably good. but i want to try this thing myself. |
| 22:14.53 | KaffeeJunky123 | qq-: nor does aptitude work, it'll try to reinstall the bpo packages and error because it obviously can't find them in the package list |
| 22:14.55 | qq- | acu, maybe you want to attach a screen to an application , no sure thought |
| 22:15.14 | jelly-home | give it 2GB, it will probably be able to make way for both some swap and a linux partition then |
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| 22:15.54 | jelly-home | gigo: 500MB is barely enough for lenny base system, and you're going to want to put gcc and the toolchain up |
| 22:16.12 | Mikae | jordanm, jelly-home: Any ideas about recompiling? |
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| 22:16.24 | gigo | jelly, i am using the businesscard ISO to install. isn't 500 MB enough for that? |
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| 22:16.31 | gigo | apart from that I am going to install gcc and vim only. |
| 22:16.38 | qq- | KaffeeJunky123, done aptitude update after changing sources ? |
| 22:16.45 | Mikae | I didn't get this message before, although I didn't change source after 1st compilation. |
| 22:17.35 | KaffeeJunky123 | qq-: sure |
| 22:18.06 | qq- | Mikae, try a appropriate channel for your compiling , please |
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| 22:19.23 | Mikae | qq-: Which one? |
| 22:19.25 | qq- | KaffeeJunky123, good, so why 'can't find them' ? what's exactly 'them' ? |
| 22:19.51 | qq- | Mikae, #gcc , or so |
| 22:20.02 | KaffeeJunky123 | qq-: the error messages of aptitude are in german, is that ok with you? or can I somehow get aptitude to output in english? |
| 22:20.42 | KaffeeJunky123 | or I'll just try to translate the error messages |
| 22:20.51 | Mikae | Well, fakeroot is Debian's program. I don't think someone knows more about it than people here. |
| 22:20.58 | qq- | KaffeeJunky123, LANG=C , + your command |
| 22:20.59 | gigo | anyway, i am proceeding to install the business card debian powerppc iso on a 500 MB qemu image without swap. |
| 22:22.04 | qq- | Mikae, man fakeroot ? |
| 22:22.06 | KaffeeJunky123 | http://pastie.org/1010834 |
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| 22:22.56 | qq- | , versions libgail-common |
| 22:22.57 | judd | libgail-common -- etch: 1.8.11-4; lenny: 1.22.3-1; lenny-backports: 2.18.6-1~bpo50+1; sid: 2.20.1-1; squeeze: 2.20.1-1; experimental: 2.21.2-1 |
| 22:22.59 | acu | is there any bug in X on a squeeze ? |
| 22:23.39 | Mikae | qq-: There is nothing about it why doesn't want to compile. |
| 22:23.55 | KaffeeJunky123 | qq-: I've just put in all gtk related packages I've found ^^ |
| 22:23.59 | jelly-home | acu: there always are bugs in X |
| 22:24.57 | jelly-home | !localized errors |
| 22:24.58 | dpkg | Rather than hoping that we recognise what has gone wrong from the error messages in your native language, please provide any error messages in English. You can do this by setting your locale to an English one (e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. LANG=C apt-get -f install |
| 22:25.03 | jelly-home | KaffeeJunky123: ^^ |
| 22:25.21 | jelly-home | slow |
| 22:25.31 | qq- | KaffeeJunky123, reinstall libgail-common , find it in http://packages.debian.org/ (lenny) , do : dpkg -i libgail-common, and will be fine |
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| 22:26.44 | KaffeeJunky123 | qq-: so I should download the libgail-common.deb an install it ? |
| 22:27.13 | qq- | yes, wget it |
| 22:27.59 | qq- | KaffeeJunky123, but make sure that is lenny version ;) |
| 22:28.09 | KaffeeJunky123 | qq-: ofc |
| 22:28.38 | KaffeeJunky123 | qq-: http://packages.debian.org/lenny/amd64/libgail-common/download seems to be the right package |
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| 22:29.58 | rubin110 | Anyone else having problems installing Squeeze right now? |
| 22:30.21 | KaffeeJunky123 | qq-: will I have to do this for all of the gtk related packages? |
| 22:31.41 | qq- | no |
| 22:31.53 | streuner | rubin110: installing like using debian-installer? |
| 22:32.05 | rubin110 | streuner: Yup. |
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| 22:32.20 | rubin110 | I wonder if the issue is with kernel.org |
| 22:32.45 | streuner | rubin110: there is always stable/lenny installer and upgrading to testing then |
| 22:33.48 | rubin110 | Ok. |
| 22:33.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | you could always write an |
| 22:33.53 | KaffeeJunky123 | qq-: well gnome-keybinding-properties does still fail with the same error, so I guess just reinstalling libgail-common didn't change anything actually ^^ |
| 22:33.54 | rubin110 | So. |
| 22:33.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | !installation report |
| 22:33.54 | dpkg | methinks installation report is http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch05s04#submit-bug |
| 22:34.17 | rubin110 | I see an error in the console during the download and install package part of the installer. |
| 22:34.35 | rubin110 | configuring 'pkgsel' failed with error code 1 |
| 22:35.08 | qq- | KaffeeJunky123, redo last command from http://pastie.org/1010834 .. |
| 22:35.20 | streuner | rubin110: if you using a devel version of d-i, there are daily builds... |
| 22:35.53 | rubin110 | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 22:35.56 | rubin110 | I'm using Alpha1. |
| 22:35.58 | streuner | rubin110: just ask in #debian-boot (OFTC) about |
| 22:36.01 | streuner | oh |
| 22:36.31 | streuner | rubin110: so using d-i (stable) isnt ok for you? |
| 22:36.58 | rubin110 | Please define "d-i"? |
| 22:37.05 | KaffeeJunky123 | qq-:same error |
| 22:37.06 | streuner | debian-installer |
| 22:37.08 | KaffeeJunky123 | qq-: http://pastie.org/1010857 |
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| 22:37.57 | qq- | ,versions libgtk2.0-0 |
| 22:37.59 | judd | libgtk2.0-0 -- etch: 2.8.20-7; lenny: 2.12.12-1~lenny1; lenny-backports: 2.18.6-1~bpo50+1; sid: 2.20.1-1; squeeze: 2.20.1-1; experimental: 2.21.2-1 |
| 22:38.25 | acu | rubin110, Alpha1 sucks big time - use the daily one http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 22:38.31 | rubin110 | Ok. |
| 22:38.38 | rubin110 | The installer I have worked fine a few days ago. |
| 22:38.48 | qq- | KaffeeJunky123, so do same for libgtk2.0-0 (packages.debian.org blabla) |
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| 22:39.08 | jelly-home | Father0fNine: is 7of9 a girl? |
| 22:39.41 | Mikae | May I pass options to gcc using DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS? |
| 22:39.52 | KaffeeJunky123 | qq-: I'll do so and it'll probably fix the error, but it would be nice to have a better way of reverting packages ^^ |
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| 22:40.02 | qq- | KaffeeJunky123, that meant 'This might mean you need to manually fix this package.' ... |
| 22:40.29 | qq- | !tell KaffeeJunky123 about downgrade |
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| 22:42.30 | jelly-home | Mikae: I think that's exactly the use for that variable, but ask in -mentors |
| 22:42.30 | KaffeeJunky123 | qq-: well I guess aptitude -t lenny-backports upgrade was a grave mistake to begin with :O |
| 22:42.40 | jelly-home | !tell Mikae about mentors |
| 22:43.40 | qq- | KaffeeJunky123, either a learning experience .. |
| 22:43.45 | KaffeeJunky123 | qq-: but it's actually not the worst thing I did to my linux, I actually managed to accidentally rm -rf my users dir |
| 22:44.30 | qq- | mkdir /home/$USER |
| 22:45.00 | KaffeeJunky123 | qq-:haha |
| 22:45.01 | qq- | KaffeeJunky123, but never use 'rm -rf' |
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| 22:45.59 | qq- | adduser, delluser is clean way to do that |
| 22:46.06 | KaffeeJunky123 | qq-: the accident happent because I was trying to delete another user dir, and the names were to similar |
| 22:46.17 | qq- | .. |
| 22:46.21 | KaffeeJunky123 | qq-: another linux distribution is using my home partition |
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| 22:47.08 | KaffeeJunky123 | qq-: and I destroyed some configs while tinkering with it, so I had to delete the content of the user folder |
| 22:47.38 | qq- | !destroy KaffeeJunky123 |
| 22:47.38 | dpkg | tears KaffeeJunky123 into little tiny pieces, then burns them, and scatters the ashes |
| 22:47.56 | KaffeeJunky123 | qq-: if I had thought about what the fuck I did inb4 I would've simply deleted the malformed configfiles =) |
| 22:48.12 | Schuenemann | is it possible to remove empathy (and a few other packages) without removing gnome along? |
| 22:48.13 | KaffeeJunky123 | but I felt like, let's try out rm -rf on something |
| 22:48.14 | KaffeeJunky123 | hahah |
| 22:48.43 | KaffeeJunky123 | qq-: but I did not sudo rm -rf /* yet =) |
| 22:48.57 | qq- | to bad... |
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| 22:49.23 | qq- | too* |
| 22:49.59 | danielig | hey, I am trying to rmmod my sound module but it says that it is in use. rmmod -f does not work. |
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| 22:50.14 | danielig | I want to rmmod snd-hda-intel |
| 22:50.16 | KaffeeJunky123 | haha |
| 22:50.31 | KaffeeJunky123 | qq-: but I do have backups |
| 22:50.54 | qq- | danieldg, lenny ? |
| 22:51.07 | danielig | etch |
| 22:51.17 | qq- | try alsaconf , too |
| 22:51.18 | KaffeeJunky123 | try modprobe -r |
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| 22:51.37 | qq- | !tell danieldg about etch |
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| 22:52.37 | Schuenemann | there's no way to uninstall empathy? |
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| 22:52.57 | qq- | !unmarkauto |
| 22:52.58 | dpkg | Is aptitude or apt-get trying to remove packages that it thinks were automatically installed? This happens when you "aptitude install gnome" and then later remove bits of it, the gnome meta-package will be uninstalled and aptitude will try to remove lots more. Fix this by running "aptitude install packagename" or "aptitude unmarkauto packagename" on strategically chosen packages, or reinstall the <metapackage>. |
| 22:54.47 | KaffeeJunky123 | hm strange the keybinding for opening a terminal isn't even set |
| 22:55.20 | KaffeeJunky123 | I have another problem, something is binding a terminal to ctrl+f |
| 22:55.30 | danielig | qq- hem right it was lenny that I had, never mind... |
| 22:55.57 | KaffeeJunky123 | it's an xterm actually |
| 22:56.00 | Schuenemann | qq-, I did aptitude unmarkauto empathy and nothing happened. Then I tried to remove it and it said gnome was going to |
| 22:56.01 | Schuenemann | too* |
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| 22:57.48 | Schuenemann | here: http://pastebin.ca/1886118 |
| 22:57.56 | qq- | Schuenemann, let it go, assume all gnome packages are still in /var/cache/apt/archives , so easy to reinstall |
| 22:58.59 | Schuenemann | that doesn't sound nice. I'll take to track all of the removed ones to reinstall later |
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| 22:59.30 | qq- | ls /var/cache/apt/archives , may help |
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| 23:01.52 | KaffeeJunky123 | qq-: apt-get install -f fixed a hell lot of stuff now ^^ |
| 23:02.05 | KaffeeJunky123 | qq-: removed gnome etc, but who needs gnome anyways ;) |
| 23:02.16 | smv | i'd leave empathy alone since gnome depends on it |
| 23:02.27 | EduardeCalibal | Hi. Someone use kopete and dont see the animation in the icon when a message arrive? |
| 23:02.44 | qq- | KaffeeJunky123, cool, hope it will fix the apt-get installer |
| 23:02.51 | EduardeCalibal | Kopete version 4.4.4 |
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| 23:03.08 | KaffeeJunky123 | qq-: ^_^ |
| 23:03.08 | rubin110 | So with the nightly squeeze deb installer I still get the same error. |
| 23:03.09 | qq- | , versions kopete |
| 23:03.10 | judd | kopete -- etch: 4:3.5.5-5; etch-backports: 4:3.5.7-4~bpo40+1; lenny: 4:3.5.10-2; squeeze: 4:4.4.3-2; sid: 4:4.4.4-1 |
| 23:03.30 | EduardeCalibal | In the last version I dont see this problem... Is a bug? |
| 23:03.41 | rubin110 | In the console I see a bunch of dependency errors, and then... |
| 23:03.46 | rubin110 | configuring 'pkgsel' failed with error code 1 |
| 23:04.18 | qq- | EduardeCalibal, if so , problem solved |
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| 23:04.54 | EduardeCalibal | My old version is little unstable... :-/ |
| 23:04.59 | Schuenemann | smv, why does gnome depend on empathy? That doesn't make any sense |
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| 23:05.33 | qq- | , depends gnome |
| 23:05.34 | judd | gnome -- depends: gnome-desktop-environment (= 1:2.22.2~5), gdm-themes, gnome-themes-extras, gnome-games (>= 1:2.22.2), libpam-gnome-keyring (>= 2.22.2), gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly (>= 0.10.8), gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg (>= 0.10.4), rhythmbox (>= 0.11.5), synaptic (>= 0.62), system-config-printer (>= 1.0.0), totem-mozilla, swfdec-mozilla, epiphany-extensions, evolution-plugins (>= 2.22.2), evolution-exchange |
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| 23:05.58 | Schuenemann | ah... the package dependency. Question is: why does that dependency exist? |
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| 23:07.02 | qq- | Schuenemann, packages are in a puzzle , build on vertical , so needs lower ons |
| 23:07.18 | qq- | one* |
| 23:07.25 | smv | gnome is a metapackage actually, it depends on gnome-desktop-environment which depends on empathy |
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| 23:07.57 | Schuenemann | qq-, but the same happens with gnome-games. And IIRC, in ubuntu you can remove them |
| 23:09.03 | qq- | Schuenemann, lenny install by default 'recommends' , so install w/o if needed |
| 23:09.05 | smv | indeed you can, but if you remove them, in this case gnome and gnome-desktop-environment there might be a dependency problem, at some level, with other packages |
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| 23:09.57 | simonrvn | less so with gnome, but kde has some intermixing which makes it a bit harder to remove the meta-packages. |
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| 23:10.29 | Schuenemann | qq-, it's squeeze, actually. I don't plan to install everything back just to remove a few programs I don't use. Whatever, then... |
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| 23:10.42 | JasonWoof | I've been quite successful at removing some parts of gnome |
| 23:10.55 | JasonWoof | like deskbar-applet |
| 23:10.58 | qq- | Schuenemann, squeeze do the same .. |
| 23:11.39 | smv | gnome-games are recomends of gnome-desktop-environment, and can be removed without removing gnome-desktop-environment, but gnome-desktop-environment depends on empathy, that's why you can't remove one without the other |
| 23:11.53 | Schuenemann | qq-, yeah, still seems a bit non sense to me to have to reinstall everything just to get rid of these games |
| 23:12.07 | JasonWoof | well, if you remove gnome-desktop in aptitude, it'll list all the stuff it'd remove (because it was just installed as a dependency of gnome-desktop) you can flick through the list and set most of it as manually installed |
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| 23:12.31 | rouslan | Are there any alternatives to OpenAFS? |
| 23:12.49 | simonrvn | JasonWoof: yup |
| 23:12.59 | Schuenemann | smv, it's very clear that a package depends on another. I just don't get why. I don't understand why gnome-games is needed for gnome to work |
| 23:12.59 | qq- | Schuenemann, for that reason i install only "gnome-core" ... |
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| 23:13.30 | smv | gnome-games is _not_ needed, you can remove it safely. |
| 23:13.50 | JasonWoof | if you set the "Advance to the next item after changing the state of a package" preference in aptitude, it's even quicker :) |
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| 23:14.10 | Schuenemann | qq-, actually I accepted default installation accidentally. I typed enter on desktop environment thinking it would ask me which to install, but that moved the installation on. I'll be more careful next time |
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| 23:14.47 | Schuenemann | smv, gnome: Depends: gnome-games (>= 1:2.30) but it is not going to be installed. |
| 23:15.02 | Schuenemann | doesn't that mean gnome will be removed too? |
| 23:15.14 | smv | because is using the recommends as depend |
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| 23:15.37 | smv | aptitude show gnome-games |
| 23:15.51 | JasonWoof | Schuenemann: yeah, it'll have to remove the gnome metapackage, which has important files. The only point of the "gnome" packages is to depend on lost of stuff. you set most of them as manually installed and you don't need the gnome package anymore |
| 23:16.40 | smv | actually, look at: aptitude show gnome-desktop-environment |
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| 23:17.22 | JasonWoof | gnome-desktop-environment only recommends gnome-games, so you can remove gnome-games and keep gnome-desktop-environment |
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| 23:18.53 | JasonWoof | I presume the gnome package is for people who want a reasonable default set of apps installed, and don't care about having stuff installed that they don't use. |
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| 23:19.43 | JasonWoof | that said, I have no idea why gnome has gnome-games as a dependency instead of a recommends |
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| 23:21.31 | Bushmills | supposedly because it is a meta package, to install a collection of gnome programs |
| 23:22.05 | RacerX | Could someone please point me to an example of how to properly delete files using debian/rules |
| 23:22.21 | Bushmills | if you don't like its dependencies, don't install it, but pick the packages you actually do like |
| 23:22.28 | smv | JasonWoof, well, same think for packages in the standard task. for example i _never_ use vi, still it's installed and i ain't gonna purge it. and gnome does not depend on gnome-games, but on gnome-desktop-environment which only recommends gnome-games. so gone-games can be safelly removed if they where installed at the initial install |
| 23:22.40 | smv | s/think/thing |
| 23:23.02 | qq- | gnome-core make things much lighter |
| 23:23.23 | qq- | , depends gnome-core |
| 23:23.24 | judd | gnome-core -- depends: gnome-control-center (>= 1:2.22.2.1), eog (>= 2.22.2), gedit (>= 2.22.3), gnome-applets (>= 2.22.2), gnome-icon-theme (>= 2.22.0), gnome-menus (>= 2.22.2), gnome-panel (>= 2.20.3), gnome-session (>= 2.22.2), gnome-settings-daemon (>= 2.22.2.1), gnome-terminal (>= 2.22.2), metacity (>= 1:2.22.0) | compiz-gnome, nautilus (>= 2.20.0), rarian-compat | scrollkeeper, yelp (>= 2.22.1). |
| 23:24.34 | qq- | smv, but gnome depends of gnome-games .. |
| 23:24.51 | qq- | (sadly ..) |
| 23:25.07 | smv | no. it's just an ilusion actually because aptitude sees recommends as depends. you can disable this if you really want |
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| 23:25.18 | qq- | , depends gnome |
| 23:25.19 | judd | gnome -- depends: gnome-desktop-environment (= 1:2.22.2~5), gdm-themes, gnome-themes-extras, gnome-games (>= 1:2.22.2), libpam-gnome-keyring (>= 2.22.2), gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly (>= 0.10.8), gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg (>= 0.10.4), rhythmbox (>= 0.11.5), synaptic (>= 0.62), system-config-printer (>= 1.0.0), totem-mozilla, swfdec-mozilla, epiphany-extensions, evolution-plugins (>= 2.22.2), evolution-exchange |
| 23:25.35 | smv | see? |
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| 23:26.19 | smv | also see depends gnome-desktop-environment |
| 23:26.22 | qq- | no, it say , depends: gnome-desktop-environment + gnome-games + blabla |
| 23:26.32 | smv | , depends gnome-desktop-environment |
| 23:26.32 | judd | gnome-desktop-environment -- depends: gnome-core (= 1:2.22.2~5), alacarte (>= 0.11.5), cheese (>= 2.22.2), deskbar-applet (>= 2.22.2.1), dmz-cursor-theme, ekiga (>= 2.0.12), epiphany-browser (>= 2.22.2) | gnome-www-browser, evince (>= 2.22.1.1), evolution (>= 2.22.2), evolution-data-server (>= 2.22.2), fast-user-switch-applet (>= 2.22.0), file-roller (>= 2.22.3), gcalctool (>= 5.22.2), gconf-editor (>= 2 |
| 23:27.13 | qq- | no gnome-games there .. |
| 23:27.46 | themill | "aptitude why gnome gnome-games" can me instructive here |
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| 23:28.39 | smv | yet, it doesn't say if is recommends or depends |
| 23:29.38 | qq- | , recommends gnome-desktop-environment |
| 23:29.39 | judd | gnome-desktop-environment -- recommends: gnome-accessibility, fam, gnome-games (>= 1:2.22.2). |
| 23:29.40 | Bushmills | apt-cache depends gnome gives gnome-games as dependency |
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| 23:31.40 | qq- | ok , i just purged gnome-games (Need to get 0B of archives. After unpacking 830MB will be freed !!!) , and aptitude install gnome-core ,says 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 7 not upgraded.' , cool ' |
| 23:31.50 | smv | but is just a recommends actually, and aptitude sees it as a dependency. i belive that it can be removed with apt-get and then aptitude can hold the package? |
| 23:31.56 | yakamo | anyone recommend a good guide to setting up dhcp3 to ass the internet on from an incoming connection another nic |
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| 23:32.01 | smv | this way you won't purge everything |
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| 23:32.41 | themill | smv: both apt-get and aptitude install recommended packages by default. You can override that behaviour for one package at a time, for just one apt run or permanently. |
| 23:32.48 | themill | smv: hold is not needed. |
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| 23:36.32 | JasonWoof | yakamo: you want to use an additional nic as a NAT router for an internal network? |
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| 23:37.07 | smv | themill, and then what would be the _best_ solution? aptitude -R purge gnome-games will still remove gnome. not that i really need this, but i've become courious... |
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| 23:37.19 | dima202 | does smplayer play blueray dvds? |
| 23:37.27 | dima202 | or mplayer |
| 23:37.41 | JasonWoof | yakamo: it's been a while since I set up a dhcp server, but iirc, I was able to figure it out by just going through the default config file and reading the comments |
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| 23:38.21 | yakamo | JasonWoof: i have dhcp3 already setup to provide samba access to files on the server, i have the internet coming in through a wireless usb pen |
| 23:38.41 | yakamo | JasonWoof: i want to pass this internet connection on to my other computers |
| 23:38.43 | themill | smv: aptitude purge gnome-games 'gnome-desktop-environment&m' should do just fine. (might need to add other packages to that. /msg dpkg unmarkauto ; /msg dpkg aptitude ops |
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| 23:38.56 | JasonWoof | yakamo: what's dhcp got to do with samba? |
| 23:39.25 | qq- | smv, just see my last comment .. |
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| 23:39.36 | themill | smv: you could just use + instead of &m in fact which would be easier |
| 23:39.56 | yakamo | JasonWoof: nothing other than im using dhcp3 to allow my other computers to get an ip address so they can then access the needed files |
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| 23:40.08 | JasonWoof | yakamo: you need to do more than set up dhcp to share your internet connection |
| 23:40.24 | qq- | smv, i have done 'aptitude purge gnome-games ' .. |
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| 23:40.55 | Schuenemann | For more information on automatically installed packages, see the section Managing Automatically Installed Packages in the aptitude |
| 23:40.56 | Schuenemann | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:40.57 | yakamo | JasonWoof: yeah i gathered that, thats why i was looking for a decent and clear guide to setup things up properly |
| 23:40.59 | Schuenemann | where is that? |
| 23:41.16 | themill | dpkg: tell Schuenemann about aptitude docs |
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| 23:44.43 | maunix | good evening :) i have a small problem with alsa config, does anyone know about this subject? |
| 23:44.53 | karsten | !tell maunix about ask |
| 23:45.02 | karsten | !tell maunix about alsa |
| 23:45.13 | JasonWoof | yakamo: Looks like I didn't save links to tutorials, but here's my notes from last time I did this: http://paste.debian.net/77958/ |
| 23:45.17 | karsten | maunix: Just ask your question, read what dpkg just told you for some standard cfgs. |
| 23:45.29 | maunix | karsten: thanks. |
| 23:46.01 | maunix | alsa detects my onboard sound board, and it recalls it is a AD198x Analog. |
| 23:46.07 | karsten | yakamo: If your host's internal IP doesn't change, then all you need to do is set up NAT / IPMASQ to share your connection. If it does change, you've got afew other things to do. |
| 23:46.10 | maunix | but it mentions that Synth Devices: NOT ENABLED IN CONFIG |
| 23:46.17 | maunix | idem with midi devices |
| 23:46.21 | maunix | I have no sound obviously. |
| 23:46.29 | maunix | i had sound in ubuntu, now i am in debian. |
| 23:46.32 | karsten | !tell maunix about sound |
| 23:46.44 | karsten | maunix: Follow the steps there. |
| 23:46.49 | yakamo | thank you very much guys |
| 23:47.04 | karsten | maunix: ... and now, I don't have a lot of time to help you, just know where the starting points are buried. |
| 23:47.08 | karsten | s/now/no/ |
| 23:47.20 | maunix | <alsa config> |
| 23:47.24 | JasonWoof | karsten: I figure step one is give your interal nic a static ip address |
| 23:48.20 | maunix | karsten: i can not config my alsa. do i need to recompile the kernel? i would like not doing so. |
| 23:49.33 | streuner | maunix: how about OSS4? |
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| 23:50.08 | streuner | maunix: it compiles the modules for your kernel auto.... |
| 23:50.38 | streuner | in case ALSA doenst support your audio chipset |
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| 23:52.57 | nsadmin | that guy faberman doesn't like alsa... he writes device drivers for some of the RME stuff |
| 23:53.18 | nsadmin | and he literally refused to deal with alsa |
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| 23:54.09 | streuner | judd, versions alsa-modules |
| 23:54.10 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'alsa-modules' was found. |
| 23:54.19 | streuner | judd, versions oss4-modules |
| 23:54.20 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'oss4-modules' was found. |
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| 23:54.41 | nsadmin | the name would include the uname -r |
| 23:55.11 | streuner | judd, versions oss4-sources |
| 23:55.13 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'oss4-sources' was found. |
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| 23:55.27 | streuner | judd, versions oss4-source |
| 23:55.29 | judd | oss4-source -- sid: 4.2-build2002-3; squeeze: 4.2-build2002-3 |
| 23:55.38 | nsadmin | , versions alsa-modules-2.6.26-2-686 |
| 23:55.38 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'alsa-modules-2.6.26-2-686' was found. |
| 23:56.12 | streuner | nsadmin: that package just compile modules for your (uname -r) kernel |
| 23:56.31 | streuner | no extra packages are needed |
| 23:57.01 | nsadmin | I thought the binaries of the modules were available as a package |
| 23:57.19 | birdy2323 | During an installion of debian 5 (Tasksel/software selection), default options (Desktop enviroment & standard system) appears.. What things will be installed if I selected "Laptop" option? Would it be like extra usb devices/wifi? |
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| 23:59.03 | qq- | laptop detect , but i doubt about devices/wifi .. |
| 23:59.08 | craigevil | if you want OSS4 rather than alsa there is a nice guide> http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=52919&hilit=OSS4 |
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| 23:59.40 | birdy2323 | Ah, alrighties. |
| 23:59.42 | SerajewelKS | is there a decent VNC server in debian that allows multiple configured passwords, so that (for example) one password allows usage of the display and one password only allows viewing of the display? |
| 23:59.53 | SerajewelKS | tightvncserver does this, but its performance is absolutely god-awful |
