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| 00:00.20 | birdy2323 | Hehe, my friend uses Tightvnc. :D |
| 00:00.24 | SerajewelKS | i have found no such mechanism on realvnc's server, which performs much better |
| 00:01.11 | SerajewelKS | birdy2323: it's configurable as all hell, but on a 100Mbit network it still sucks. it looks like the vnc server process is consuming all available CPU during updates, even when clients are configured to request uncompressed updates. |
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| 00:01.34 | SerajewelKS | on a 2.8GHz box i would expect any vnc server to not be cpu-starved |
| 00:02.07 | Devreathman | Is there something special I have to do to get apache2's SSL vhost to work? I installed it and did a2ensite default-ssl |
| 00:02.14 | Devreathman | but https://localhost does not work |
| 00:02.21 | SerajewelKS | !doesn't work |
| 00:02.21 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>. |
| 00:02.23 | birdy2323 | Ah, gotcha. |
| 00:03.11 | Devreathman | by "does not work" I mean "says "connection refused"" |
| 00:03.26 | SerajewelKS | Devreathman: is apache configured to listen on port 443? did you enable mod_ssl? |
| 00:03.28 | birdy2323 | Lol, gawd, that dpkg is full of surprises. |
| 00:03.30 | nsadmin | Devreathman, see also #apache |
| 00:03.38 | qq- | btw , what does that means 'a2ensite' ? |
| 00:03.45 | birdy2323 | are* |
| 00:03.53 | SerajewelKS | qq-: man a2ensite |
| 00:03.57 | Devreathman | qq- it's the script that enables site configs. |
| 00:04.09 | SerajewelKS | must be sunday |
| 00:04.09 | qq- | cool, thx |
| 00:04.21 | Devreathman | it comes with the default site, which is localhost:80, and there's a disabled configuration called default-ssl |
| 00:04.23 | SerajewelKS | returns to his unproductive googling |
| 00:04.33 | SerajewelKS | Devreathman: i will ask you again, did you enable mod_ssl? |
| 00:04.53 | rubin110 | Ok. |
| 00:05.00 | rubin110 | So I'm still getting stuck at the same spot during install. |
| 00:05.01 | rubin110 | http://0.starset.net/screenies/Lightroom.lrcat_-_Adobe_Photoshop_Lightroom_-_Library-20100618-170218.png |
| 00:05.02 | rubin110 | http://0.starset.net/screenies/Lightroom.lrcat_-_Adobe_Photoshop_Lightroom_-_Library-20100618-170300.png |
| 00:05.09 | rubin110 | Any advice would be appreciated. |
| 00:05.14 | streuner | heh |
| 00:05.28 | nsadmin | install of what? |
| 00:05.35 | rubin110 | And again this install from the same USB stick to the same machine went fine two days ago. |
| 00:05.38 | Devreathman | SerajewelKS: No, I hadn't. Thanks :D |
| 00:05.43 | SerajewelKS | Devreathman: :) |
| 00:05.45 | rubin110 | nsadmin: Squeeze. |
| 00:05.48 | rubin110 | AMD64. |
| 00:05.56 | rubin110 | USB install. |
| 00:06.03 | rubin110 | Errr from a USB drive. |
| 00:06.17 | nsadmin | what version did you install successfully |
| 00:06.21 | streuner | is Photoshop in the official mirrors? |
| 00:06.31 | maunix | streuner: I think alsa does support my chipset , at least it names it correctly but i can not configure it. how can I configure it? |
| 00:06.58 | rubin110 | streuner: http://gimpshop.com |
| 00:07.01 | streuner | maunix: usually there is no need to configure ALSA... |
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| 00:07.34 | maunix | streuner: so if it doesnt work is because it doesn't detect it properly? |
| 00:07.37 | streuner | ALSA supports your soundcard or not... |
| 00:07.47 | streuner | might be a bug |
| 00:08.15 | streuner | those intel drivers supports plenty of chipsets... |
| 00:08.55 | maunix | the fact is that is an nvidia chipset |
| 00:09.03 | maunix | which is detected as an intel and then |
| 00:09.10 | maunix | it recalls it as an ad198x |
| 00:09.13 | streuner | ADXXX? |
| 00:09.13 | maunix | which is correct |
| 00:09.17 | streuner | hm |
| 00:09.41 | maunix | what hm stand for? |
| 00:09.58 | streuner | its not an AD1986A by any chance? ;-) |
| 00:10.24 | streuner | thats usually intel :-) |
| 00:10.43 | maunix | the chipset is nvidia but may be that chip is intel |
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| 00:10.59 | maunix | its an asuswith an nvidia 570 chipset |
| 00:11.03 | nsadmin | rubin110, what version did you install successfully |
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| 00:11.22 | rubin110 | nsadmin: I used the Squeeze Alpha1 installer. |
| 00:11.27 | rubin110 | That worked fine a few days ago. |
| 00:11.30 | Him | Is there a package for iwconfig? |
| 00:11.34 | Him | I can't seem to find a .deb. |
| 00:11.43 | rubin110 | I accidentally blew the partition table, so I needed to reinstall. |
| 00:11.46 | nsadmin | is that the same installer you used now? |
| 00:11.52 | streuner | maunix: just use OSS4, its prolly with less headaches in order to compile ALSA sources... |
| 00:12.09 | birdy2323 | Him: Not able to apt-get install iwconfig? |
| 00:12.13 | Him | Nope. |
| 00:12.15 | beardy | rubin110: Next time try testdisk. |
| 00:12.20 | Him | I can only seem to be able to find iw. |
| 00:12.30 | pronk | does oss4 have full debian support? |
| 00:12.35 | streuner | sure |
| 00:12.40 | streuner | its in Debian |
| 00:12.41 | Him | Which claims to be "Superior to iwconfig and will be fully used in the future". |
| 00:12.53 | rubin110 | nsadmin: I tried the same installer earlier today with the same issue. Someone in here suggested I try one of the nightlies. |
| 00:13.01 | rubin110 | beardy: testdisk? |
| 00:13.06 | beardy | !testdisk |
| 00:13.06 | dpkg | TestDisk is a partition scanner and disk recovery tool, an alternative to <gpart>, packaged for Debian. Try gpart first. TestDisk checks the partition and boot sectors of your disks, very useful in recovering lost partitions. http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk See also <photorec>. |
| 00:13.50 | nsadmin | rubin110, ok, so what's the difference between you trying today and you succeeding earlier? |
| 00:13.56 | rubin110 | beardy: Well, I could have sat here and tried to recover the partition table, or just (what I then thought) really quickly reinstall debian. |
| 00:14.01 | rubin110 | nsadmin: I'm not sure. |
| 00:14.05 | fruitwerks | how do I find the 'RSS' in top? |
| 00:14.36 | nsadmin | one difference is it's a different day (but that's not it), another is the partition table |
| 00:14.42 | pronk | streuner: cool I could use a build in equalizer as speakers sound bad without adjusted settings |
| 00:14.48 | qq- | !oss4 |
| 00:14.48 | dpkg | [oss4] Open Sound System is a cross-platform set of device drivers providing a standard audio API for Unix systems. OSS/Free was in the 2.2 and 2.4 series of Linux kernels, with OSS/Linux remaining proprietary, replaced by <ALSA> in Linux 2.6. Open Sound System v4.0 was made available under the GPLv2 in July 2007, packaged for Debian as oss4 in testing. http://www.opensound.com/ #oss on irc.freenode.net. |
| 00:14.51 | maunix | streuner: so your advice is to use oss4 ? |
| 00:15.15 | beardy | So it's back to oss now? |
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| 00:15.30 | qq- | in testing .. |
| 00:15.37 | streuner | maunix: yes, if you soundchip isnt supported by ALSA or there is a bug, just in case you want have sound in Debian :-P |
| 00:15.58 | maunix | streuner: thanks, and should I uninstall alsa? |
| 00:16.19 | Schuenemann | I didn't find anything about this in the man page: can I run badblocks in a mounted partition? |
| 00:16.28 | streuner | maunix: well, OSS4 packages make that auto for you |
| 00:16.40 | maunix | i installed oss4-base |
| 00:16.46 | maunix | and i think it didn't uninstasll anything |
| 00:16.47 | Schuenemann | on a disk that has mounted partitions |
| 00:16.55 | streuner | maunix: you need oss4-modules too |
| 00:16.59 | craigevil | maunix: take a look at http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=52919&hilit=OSS4 |
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| 00:17.18 | maunix | they don't appear in my repository... weirs |
| 00:17.22 | maunix | weird |
| 00:17.28 | streuner | maunix: sure, ALSA modules are in kernel |
| 00:17.55 | qq- | Schuenemann, i guess no |
| 00:17.58 | maunix | streuner: but what about oss4-modules? |
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| 00:18.07 | maunix | streuner: there are not listed by synpatic |
| 00:18.15 | maunix | streuner: synaptic |
| 00:18.33 | streuner | maunix: those packages look at the kernel and if they arent there it just compile it |
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| 00:19.05 | streuner | maunix: packages are in squeeze and sid |
| 00:19.12 | maunix | streuner: but the kernel is an image i downloaded from a repository, how can I look at the kernel to find out what is inside? |
| 00:19.22 | maunix | streuner: i am in squeeze. |
| 00:19.51 | streuner | maunix: not needed, the package make that auto for you |
| 00:20.07 | streuner | judd, versions oss4-source |
| 00:20.09 | judd | oss4-source -- sid: 4.2-build2002-3; squeeze: 4.2-build2002-3 |
| 00:20.45 | Him | Anyone know if there is a package for iwconfig in the deb repos? |
| 00:20.54 | streuner | !find iwconfig |
| 00:21.00 | qq- | maunix, what's your sound device ? |
| 00:21.39 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'iwconfig' (3): (/sbin/iwconfig) in net/wireless-tools ;; (/usr/share/zsh/functions/Completion/Linux/_iwconfig) in shells/zsh ;; (/usr/share/zsh-beta/functions/Completion/Linux/_iwconfig) in shells/zsh-beta. |
| 00:22.02 | Him | Thanks. |
| 00:22.10 | streuner | dpkg, +tell Him -about search |
| 00:22.10 | dpkg | told Him about search. |
| 00:22.35 | maunix | qq: its an ad198x |
| 00:22.48 | streuner | qq-: if he using the same fucking chipset then me, he is fucked... |
| 00:23.02 | streuner | because lspci wouldnt tell him much... |
| 00:23.04 | maunix | streuner: if i recall correctly ad198x devices are Analog Devices brand devices |
| 00:23.12 | maunix | not intel |
| 00:23.28 | streuner | its an Intel driver in Linux... |
| 00:23.38 | qq- | streuner, that i just guessed ;) |
| 00:23.47 | streuner | qq-: :-) |
| 00:23.59 | maunix | streuner: ok i just wanted to point you to the right direction :) |
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| 00:24.29 | qq- | lscpi -nn | grep Aud , says |
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| 00:25.36 | qq- | maunix, it's a usb thing ? |
| 00:25.37 | maunix | qq-: 00:06.1 Audio device [0403]: nVidia Corporation MCP55 High Definition Audio [10de:0371] (rev a2) |
| 00:25.47 | qq- | , pciid 10de:0371 |
| 00:25.49 | judd | [10de:0371] is 'MCP55 High Definition Audio' from 'nVidia Corporation' with kernel modules 'snd-hda-intel', 'nvidiafb' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10de:0371 http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers and the out-of-tree 'snd-hda-intel', 'nvidia' module. |
| 00:26.17 | streuner | snd-hda-intel |
| 00:26.26 | qq- | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:26.40 | bzed | the mcp55 chipset works just fine |
| 00:26.45 | maunix | streuner: yes you are right but its an nvidia chipset. can be there the problem? is not the specific driver i need? |
| 00:26.49 | bzed | I have that on my workstation's board, too |
| 00:27.09 | maunix | bzed: in fact is an mcp570 chipset. |
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| 00:27.30 | bzed | maunix: but the pci ide says something different :P |
| 00:29.17 | bzed | maunix: the interesting par tis that your chipset is not listed on http://helllabs.org/codecgraph/ |
| 00:29.28 | bzed | maunix: I guess its a pretty new board you're having there? |
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| 00:30.08 | maunix | bzed: its a 2007 board |
| 00:30.12 | qq- | maunix, lsmod | grep snd_hda_intel , says it's loaded ? |
| 00:30.29 | bzed | maunix: then one should assume it works well... |
| 00:31.01 | maunix | qq- its a 6 lines dump, do i paste it here? |
| 00:31.02 | qq- | !alsa-checklist |
| 00:31.03 | dpkg | 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 2) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels & toggle jack sense) 3) arts or esound stopped? 4) OSS modules unloaded? 5) speakers on? 6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 7) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. See also <list alsa users>. |
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| 00:31.25 | streuner | maunix: paste.debian.net |
| 00:31.29 | qq- | maunix, no , it's there ? |
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| 00:32.11 | qq- | as in > snd_hda_intel 325720 1 |
| 00:32.40 | maunix | qq-: snd_hda_intel 16703 8 |
| 00:32.44 | maunix | qq-: this? |
| 00:32.46 | qq- | ok then |
| 00:33.07 | qq- | check alsa-checklist above |
| 00:33.29 | maunix | qq-: ok, i'll do that ant let you know :) |
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| 00:33.43 | TomHome | hey guys |
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| 00:33.57 | TomHome | does someone know a good way to recovery HW RAID1 ? |
| 00:34.16 | TomHome | the controler can't see anynore the disk |
| 00:34.16 | streuner | restore from backup? .-P |
| 00:34.21 | TomHome | hehe |
| 00:34.44 | TomHome | let's say the backup restoration is not possible :) |
| 00:35.09 | comradekingu | Copy the data from one of them, then try and reformat the raid |
| 00:35.19 | TomHome | it's an adaptec card so if I take a disk and put it in a linux box do you think I can read it's content directory ? |
| 00:35.21 | comradekingu | If reformat fails assume the raid controllers to be dead |
| 00:35.26 | TomHome | -directory |
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| 00:35.55 | comradekingu | TomHome: yes, try that |
| 00:36.04 | TomHome | when you said copy the data, you mean dd if=/dev/deaddisk of=/somewhere ? |
| 00:36.38 | TomHome | the thing is I don't know if I can read a RAID1 disk like that |
| 00:36.56 | TomHome | I reckon RAID1 probably adds bits and pieces somewhere |
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| 00:39.45 | maunix | people, alsamixer did the job. |
| 00:39.52 | maunix | bez: thanks |
| 00:39.55 | maunix | streuner: thanks to you too |
| 00:39.57 | streuner | slap yourself :-) |
| 00:40.01 | maunix | qq-: thanks to you too |
| 00:40.07 | qq- | maunix, ;) |
| 00:40.13 | maunix | streuner: silly think , one channel was mute |
| 00:40.24 | maunix | streuner: but i did the job with the console app, not with the graphical one |
| 00:40.37 | streuner | maunix: well, no worries ;-) |
| 00:40.59 | maunix | going to the graphical interface was the first place i went... and i did unchecked everything, and then i dealt with the configuration and so on |
| 00:41.04 | qq- | !win maunix |
| 00:41.04 | dpkg | Congratulations, maunix! You have won a one way ticket to Beirut! |
| 00:41.08 | maunix | i will write that down |
| 00:41.26 | maunix | a ticket to beirut? what about if i want to go there? |
| 00:41.40 | qq- | go go .. |
| 00:41.41 | maunix | qq-: i have a friend there ;) |
| 00:41.48 | maunix | and where's my ticket? ehhee |
| 00:41.55 | qq- | !win maunix |
| 00:41.56 | dpkg | Congratulations, maunix! You have won the US presidency! |
| 00:42.14 | maunix | hehe, okk , I pass that "earning" |
| 00:42.16 | maunix | hehee |
| 00:42.22 | maunix | i prefer the other one |
| 00:42.23 | maunix | :D |
| 00:42.42 | qq- | !beer maunix |
| 00:42.42 | dpkg | pulls out an exquisite Stone Arrogant Bastard for maunix |
| 00:42.51 | streuner | maunix: besides, what kernel do you use? |
| 00:43.48 | qq- | 2.6.32-3-amd64 ? |
| 00:43.57 | maunix | streuner: 2.6.32-5-686 |
| 00:44.01 | streuner | interesting |
| 00:44.07 | streuner | on i386? |
| 00:44.19 | maunix | qq-: i have an amdx2 but i have many problems , and imm not even closer to be an expert |
| 00:44.42 | streuner | hm |
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| 00:45.13 | maunix | streuner: i use some software that is happens to have problems with amd64 kernel |
| 00:45.17 | streuner | shoudnt be an AD1986A chipset or AMD64 uses other kernels |
| 00:46.14 | maunix | streuner: i didnt catch you on that one. what do you mean? |
| 00:46.22 | streuner | nm |
| 00:46.54 | maunix | streuner: i use some electronics software, and some microcontrollers hardware that connecto to my debian and witn 686 kernel they always worked but with amd64 sometimes i have to deal with some bugs |
| 00:47.15 | maunix | streuner: and they are opensource projects so i can not put myself to find every bug, i just don't have enough time |
| 00:47.47 | maunix | streuner: and if 686 kernel does the job, although i "miss" a lot of my hardware performance, im happy anyway :D |
| 00:49.06 | qq- | maunix, see amd64 use ~ double of ram as 686 , so + 1 , for 386 |
| 00:49.13 | streuner | maunix: dont tell me anything about performance when i start Vista on my laptop :-P |
| 00:49.26 | qq- | hehe |
| 00:49.39 | maunix | qq-: but i have 4G and im not that kind of heavy user |
| 00:49.59 | maunix | streuner: yes and i hate vista... and i hate to pay licenses |
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| 00:50.07 | qq- | maunix, use -bigmem kernel |
| 00:50.26 | qq- | !bigmem |
| 00:50.27 | dpkg | For i386, -bigmem linux-images support up to 64 GB of RAM. If you have more than about 3.4 GB of RAM, install and use this to see everything past the sub ~3.4 GB limit (but with additional CPU overhead). Alternatively, if you have an <amd64> processor, use an amd64 kernel which doesn't need bigmem. |
| 00:50.47 | maunix | qq-: wow, that's why i get only 3.5g |
| 00:50.54 | maunix | qq-: i noticed that yesterday |
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| 00:51.04 | maunix | qq-: i installed debian 3 days ago LOL |
| 00:51.43 | maunix | qq-: i bought a brand new disk just for my debian, i was tired on having a "second drive" for my debian, now its the main disk of my pc and the second one is the M$ one... the one that uses mainly my wife |
| 00:52.32 | qq- | use virtualbox , etc for M$ |
| 00:52.54 | qq- | qemu-kvm |
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| 00:53.11 | maunix | qq-: i do use that, but that just me... my wife needs another thing :) |
| 00:53.20 | maunix | qq-: if i want to continue married... hehe |
| 00:53.29 | qq- | as usually |
| 00:53.55 | qq- | or reeducate her .. |
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| 00:54.08 | maunix | qq-: if i want to get divorced i will use virtual box only :D :D |
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| 00:55.09 | qq- | ok, stops off-topic / |
| 00:55.39 | streuner | holycow: Moo! :-P |
| 00:55.47 | simonrvn | nah, make sure she gets to use her stuff, with no virtualbox, and little down time. best way is get people to switch ime is to make sure they can do the same things, with a similar familiarity. more features don't attract people, though it might in some corner cases. |
| 00:56.30 | holycow | hey streuner, long time no see |
| 00:56.34 | maunix | qq-: sorry :) thanks guy, noww installing bigmem kernel |
| 00:56.47 | qq- | np |
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| 00:58.44 | streuner | !qq-++ |
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| 01:00.06 | simonrvn | same features is good too (goes with what i said about 'familiarity') </ot> |
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| 01:23.09 | jmarsden | Opps, wrong channel... |
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| 01:44.59 | Bop | anyone knows a easy Bit Torrent server ? |
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| 01:47.11 | maunix | Bop: bittorrent doesn't need a server, as far as I know. |
| 01:47.14 | gpm | in light of the adobe shitshow with 64-bit flash, i've gone back to nspluginwrapper but now i have no sound (!). using pulseaudio, any clues on how to get sound back? |
| 01:48.01 | Bop | maunix, i want to serve files to friends |
| 01:50.18 | internat | oh you want a tracker? |
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| 01:54.18 | gigo | what happens in businesscard install? software is pulled from the internet debian repository at install time? |
| 01:54.29 | Bop | internat, yes |
| 01:55.02 | gigo | Bop: but why? why can't it simply install from the businesscard CD? |
| 01:55.25 | Bop | gigo, im not talking to you |
| 01:55.35 | gigo | ok |
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| 01:56.39 | ansgar | gigo: Because not all software fits on the small CD images. |
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| 02:19.41 | redDEADresolve | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:20.58 | karsten | redDEADresolve: ... and? |
| 02:21.03 | karsten | redDEADresolve: Disk errors? |
| 02:21.09 | redDEADresolve | i cant login |
| 02:21.16 | karsten | redDEADresolve: boot single? |
| 02:21.31 | redDEADresolve | karsten, my disk is lock in read only . i get to a tty terminal and can do a thing |
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| 02:21.53 | karsten | redDEADresolve: reboot. Select single-user mode from GRUB menu. |
| 02:22.06 | redDEADresolve | karsten, sorry and i cannot do a thing, ok trying now |
| 02:22.48 | karsten | redDEADresolve: ... and I've gotta go, so talk to the channel. |
| 02:23.10 | mentor | redDEADresolve: If rcS is missing things are FUBAR |
| 02:23.21 | mentor | that's the script that init calls to do stuff |
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| 02:25.17 | redDEADresolve | mentor, thats whats missing |
| 02:25.34 | mentor | Indeed. |
| 02:25.44 | redDEADresolve | mentor, so reinstall in my future? |
| 02:26.05 | mentor | Well, you may be able to fix it by booting a CD and restoring the file |
| 02:26.14 | mentor | It makes me wonder how it went missing though |
| 02:26.26 | redDEADresolve | mentor, i have a dvd drive and i know how it did |
| 02:26.42 | redDEADresolve | mentor, i installed the experimental xserver-intel.2.11 driver |
| 02:26.48 | mentor | DVD drives generally boot CDs |
| 02:26.50 | mentor | read |
| 02:26.55 | mentor | erg |
| 02:27.03 | mentor | That shouldn't remove that file |
| 02:27.07 | mentor | Not even remotely |
| 02:27.31 | redDEADresolve | mentor, idk why my disk is read only and wont boot, google-fu gave me very little |
| 02:28.00 | redDEADresolve | mentor, i have the debian testing business card iso why that work for recovery? |
| 02:28.07 | mentor | You disk is read only because the root fs is mounted read only, and then mounted read-write later in the boot sequence |
| 02:28.25 | mentor | You'll should be able to get to a console from that |
| 02:29.05 | redDEADresolve | mentor, and what do i need to do from there brother? i have to restore what? im worried about messing things up further |
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| 02:29.27 | redDEADresolve | mentor, had a completely happy and fast debain testing install for six month before i borked it |
| 02:30.08 | mentor | Installing the sysv-rc package again should fix that error |
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| 02:31.19 | gen0cide | Hey, how do i make it so debian autologins as a user ? |
| 02:32.21 | mentor | gen0cide: From, like, gdm? |
| 02:32.24 | tralala | gen0cide: by editing kdm's or gmd's config file |
| 02:32.37 | mentor | Or possibly by using the configuration utility |
| 02:32.44 | gen0cide | All i have is a cl |
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| 02:32.46 | gen0cide | no graphics |
| 02:32.52 | gen0cide | xwindows* |
| 02:33.38 | tralala | autologin in cli... hmm, that's unusual |
| 02:33.49 | mentor | That's harder |
| 02:34.10 | gen0cide | Should i do this: http://blogs.koolwal.net/2009/04/30/autologin-linux-console-mode/ |
| 02:34.26 | gen0cide | This thinclient im working on is going to be a router / internet sharer |
| 02:34.39 | mentor | Er... |
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| 02:34.42 | gen0cide | so if it reboots, i want it to log in automagically so i dont have to connect a keyboard heh |
| 02:35.01 | mentor | II would suggest for a router/server, automatic login would be a bad idea |
| 02:35.08 | mentor | ... |
| 02:35.16 | gen0cide | why |
| 02:35.19 | mentor | Why do you need it to login? |
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| 02:35.44 | gen0cide | why not |
| 02:35.46 | tralala | gen0cide: yes, this approach sounds OK |
| 02:36.15 | gen0cide | Can it still function as a router and server without logging in? |
| 02:36.19 | mentor | Yes |
| 02:36.22 | gen0cide | kewl |
| 02:36.28 | mentor | System services are not dependent on a user logging in |
| 02:36.29 | tralala | I mean the mingetty one. Cli autologin as root is as safe as the physical access to the box |
| 02:36.31 | mentor | That would be silly. |
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| 02:37.06 | gen0cide | tralala: ya its just going to be in my room |
| 02:37.16 | gen0cide | OK im just going to keep it like how it is |
| 02:37.30 | gen0cide | How would i have it execute commands during startup? |
| 02:37.32 | tralala | but if all you want is to run some services than autologin is not needed |
| 02:37.37 | mentor | You have set up sshd, right? |
| 02:37.42 | gen0cide | something to do with /etc/local ? |
| 02:37.50 | gen0cide | ya sshd works |
| 02:37.50 | mentor | gen0cide: What commands? |
| 02:38.07 | tralala | gen0cide: depending on the commands, it could be /etc/rc.local or a custom init script |
| 02:38.09 | gen0cide | some ifconfig, iwconfig shorewall, enable dnsmasq etc |
| 02:38.31 | mentor | gen0cide: Network setup can be handled through configuration in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 02:38.50 | mentor | gen0cide: Firewalls scripts can be run as a post script when the interface is brought up |
| 02:38.58 | tralala | gen0cide: shorewall and dnsmasq will start on their own when configured properly |
| 02:39.24 | mentor | gen0cide: Setting up an access point can additionally be done with hostapd, which I would recommend, as otherwise you are usingn WEP |
| 02:39.43 | gen0cide | Where would i add "ifconfig 192.168.3.1" in here: http://pastebin.com/7g0N5DLA |
| 02:39.43 | gen0cide | ? |
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| 02:40.07 | gen0cide | mentor: i have a wap doing the wifi |
| 02:40.09 | tralala | gen0cide: in debian you don't use ifconfig, you edit /etc/network/interfaces instead |
| 02:40.15 | tralala | gen0cide: man interfaces for details |
| 02:40.17 | gen0cide | This thinclient grabs the wifi and sends it via ethernet |
| 02:41.03 | tralala | gen0cide: also see /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/ |
| 02:41.22 | gen0cide | ok thanks ill check that out |
| 02:44.02 | mentor | gen0cide: Have you tested that as working? |
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| 02:46.29 | gen0cide | Im doing it right now |
| 02:46.49 | gen0cide | iface eth1 inet static |
| 02:46.49 | gen0cide | address 192.168.3.1 |
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| 02:47.02 | gen0cide | IF i add that into /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 02:47.34 | gen0cide | Will eth1 be set at 192.168.3.1, but still have defualt netmask at 255.255.255.0 ? |
| 02:47.56 | gen0cide | I just want to set eth1 ip as that static address |
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| 02:50.20 | nsadmin | out of curiousity... why? what is it to be connected to? |
| 02:50.49 | gen0cide | eth1 is connected to a linksys WAP |
| 02:50.55 | gen0cide | ath0 is connected to an ap |
| 02:51.17 | nsadmin | eth or ath? |
| 02:51.30 | gen0cide | eth1 is my ethernet , ath0 is my wifi card |
| 02:51.49 | gen0cide | Its acting as an "internet sharer" |
| 02:52.04 | nsadmin | hmm. so you have an ap and an atheros |
| 02:52.22 | gen0cide | ya |
| 02:52.59 | nsadmin | do you have computers connecting to the ap? |
| 02:53.03 | flaccid | is there a channel for debian packaging? i need to create an interactive menu for user to set stuff on install. someone suggested dialog, but i thought that there is dpkg-configure |
| 02:54.07 | nsadmin | wait, I don't understand what you mean by "ath0 is connected to an ap" |
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| 02:54.16 | Piratero | Hello everyone! |
| 02:55.09 | nsadmin | how would your atheros be connected to an ap except by wireless? is it connecting to the linksys? |
| 02:55.18 | redDEADresolve | Piratero, hi buddy |
| 02:56.55 | nsadmin | what interface has the default route? |
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| 02:57.59 | Piratero | http://codepad.org/glKlmKyn |
| 02:58.15 | tralala | nsadmin: if I got it right he's using the pc as a wireless client that distributs the network over the wire |
| 02:58.22 | Piratero | I'm on Debian lenny, downloaded oss4-* packages (src) and compiled and built the DEB files. |
| 02:58.38 | Piratero | So, I use module-assistant and I get the "mktemp" errors. |
| 02:58.52 | Piratero | I did a grep on the build files and can't find anything on mktemp. |
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| 02:59.03 | Piratero | Any suggestions? Google doesn't turn anything up! |
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| 02:59.13 | Piratero | Hello redDEADresolve. |
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| 02:59.22 | nsadmin | tralala: that seems reasonable... and that wire is connected to a linksys wap |
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| 03:00.27 | tralala | nsadmin: erm... no I think the wifi is connected to the wap and the wire is for the non-wifi pcs |
| 03:01.02 | tralala | the pc itself is not a wap, just a wifi client |
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| 03:01.32 | nsadmin | hmm. if that's the case then I misunderstood; I thought eth1 (connected to a linksys wap) and ath0 were on the same machine |
| 03:02.11 | tralala | Piratero: it seems that they're calling mktemp incorrectly. You'll need to find out where it's called from and fix the parameters |
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| 03:03.39 | tralala | nsadmin: I'm not so sure myself, because his explanation was kind of lacking in details, but that's the impression I have. Anyway if he's back we can ask for details. |
| 03:03.52 | Piratero | tralala: Yeah, that's what I figured. Though, I don't know which package causes it. |
| 03:03.52 | flaccid | so there is no irc channel on debian packaging? |
| 03:04.17 | tralala | flaccid: give me a sec |
| 03:04.41 | tralala | flaccid: try #debian-mentors |
| 03:04.48 | flaccid | thanks |
| 03:04.51 | tralala | sure |
| 03:05.05 | flaccid | tralala: invite only |
| 03:05.08 | Piratero | Oh... |
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| 03:05.27 | tralala | Piratero: it's not a package, it's the oss' installation script |
| 03:05.41 | tralala | flaccid: ooops... |
| 03:05.55 | Piratero | tralala: Oh, interesting. |
| 03:06.02 | Piratero | OK. I'll check it out. |
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| 03:06.30 | gen0cide | In etc/network/interfaces, how do i make it so the eth1 and ath0 are automagically brought up, like "ifconfig ath0 up" and ifconfig eth1 up" ? |
| 03:06.37 | tralala | flaccid: do you need irc or you intend to start there? Have you read the existing documentation? |
| 03:07.04 | flaccid | tralala: yeah but i can't find doc on what to do to create a 'post configuration menu' |
| 03:07.06 | tralala | gen0cide: did you see the manual and the examples? |
| 03:07.37 | gen0cide | yes |
| 03:07.43 | gen0cide | Is it auto, or ifup ? |
| 03:07.46 | gen0cide | im confues |
| 03:08.14 | tralala | flaccid: ah, try irc.debian.org - it's not on freenode anymore |
| 03:08.20 | flaccid | thanks |
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| 03:08.51 | tralala | gen0cide: it's auto. ifup is the command to use from the command line and auto is the config line |
| 03:10.07 | gen0cide | ok, so how do i make it so ifup automatically brings up the network interfaces? |
| 03:10.34 | tralala | by having the auto line in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 03:10.46 | tralala | see /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/ again |
| 03:11.13 | gen0cide | im reading man interfaces |
| 03:11.42 | tralala | see the examples too, it will help you understand the manual better |
| 03:11.50 | gen0cide | so just auto alone will automatically bring up the network interface |
| 03:11.58 | gen0cide | without the external help of ifup |
| 03:12.17 | tralala | yes |
| 03:12.37 | gen0cide | thanks, im goingto try this |
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| 03:14.29 | Piratero | tralala: It was dkms... the package. |
| 03:15.12 | tralala | gen0cide: when done with interfaces you can test it with ifdown -a and ifup -a |
| 03:15.17 | tralala | Piratero: a bug? |
| 03:15.51 | Piratero | Well, I used dkms from squeeze and I tried with lenny and it worked. |
| 03:15.55 | Piratero | I guess so. |
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| 03:16.58 | tralala | Piratero: I suggest you check the bts and report it if it's not there |
| 03:17.22 | Piratero | BTS? |
| 03:17.26 | tralala | !bts |
| 03:17.26 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges |
| 03:17.47 | Piratero | Will do, thanks. |
| 03:18.01 | gen0cide | ok eth1 works, not im tyring to get ath0 to auto up |
| 03:18.10 | gen0cide | i changed ath0 auto to wifi0 auto |
| 03:18.19 | sweetpi | anyone happen to know the kernel crypto modules required for wep and wpa? |
| 03:18.45 | gen0cide | how do i auto up the wifi interface? |
| 03:19.06 | gen0cide | it says its ignoring wifi0 and ath0 |
| 03:19.08 | tralala | gen0cide: you really need to see the examples |
| 03:19.10 | Piratero | tralala: It exits. |
| 03:19.14 | Piratero | Err, it exists. |
| 03:19.25 | tralala | Piratero: what's the number? |
| 03:19.36 | Piratero | 586356 |
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| 03:21.17 | tralala | sweetpi: modprobe -l | grep crypto will give you the crypto modules. You can then modinfo them to see which one does what. |
| 03:21.20 | FlyingBishop | is there any way to keep audio running if I'm running Rhythmbox or Pandora in X11 and ctrl+alt+F* over to a virtual terminal? |
| 03:22.50 | ChaozZBubi | I'm using mpd |
| 03:22.52 | tralala | FlyingBishop: is rhythmbox stopping when changing a vt?! |
| 03:23.08 | FlyingBishop | okay, it must be an Ubuntu thing |
| 03:23.18 | FlyingBishop | I got no responses over there |
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| 03:23.34 | FlyingBishop | Pandora definitely does... |
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| 03:24.16 | soquick__ | 请é®è¥¿å¢è®¡åéå°iptables: No chain/target/match by that name. æä¹è§£å³é¿? |
| 03:24.25 | FlyingBishop | tralala: Yeah, audio from rhythmbox or pandora cuts out when I jump to a vt |
| 03:24.42 | FlyingBishop | tralala: but it must be Ubuntu doing something weird |
| 03:25.19 | tralala | Piratero: it's quite fresh, interestingly |
| 03:25.33 | tralala | FlyingBishop: well, I can test it right away |
| 03:25.35 | sweetpi | tralala: that wouldnt tell me if its required for wpa to function though right? |
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| 03:26.06 | gen0cide | Ok i set it as "auto ath0" and "iface ath0 inet static" |
| 03:26.41 | tralala | sweetpi: probably not. You need to know the crypto method used by wpa |
| 03:26.59 | gen0cide | How can i bring up ath0 without having to have it set as static or dhcp ? |
| 03:27.07 | gen0cide | It gets its address later on manualy |
| 03:27.24 | tralala | sweetpi: but wpa should just work with wpa_supplicant without any additional module loading |
| 03:27.47 | tralala | gen0cide: how does it get it? |
| 03:28.03 | gen0cide | After i select which ap i want, i use the command "dhclient ath0" |
| 03:28.28 | sweetpi | tralala: Im building a custom initrd and only want to pull in exactly what is used |
| 03:29.25 | tralala | gen0cide: you can specify all that in interfaces, so you don't need to select ap manually. Then you'll have iface ath0 inet dhcp |
| 03:29.28 | gen0cide | should i just bring it up as static, and address 192.168.0.0 ? |
| 03:29.55 | gen0cide | I typed dhcp and rebooted, and it brought up the dhcp client during startup |
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| 03:30.33 | gen0cide | which causes it to seek for the dhcp info for 30 seconds ,which there is none because i havent connected to an ap yet |
| 03:31.24 | tralala | gen0cide: so you specify the wifi info in interfaces and it will connect automatically |
| 03:32.09 | gen0cide | i dont want it to though |
| 03:32.12 | gen0cide | I just want to bring it up |
| 03:32.24 | gen0cide | and i have a python script which chooses which ap to connect to |
| 03:33.22 | tralala | FlyingBishop: rhythmbox doesn't stop here |
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| 03:34.27 | tralala | gen0cide: you can have your python script bring it up and connect it, then dhcp will start automatically, just hook up the script to a pre-up line |
| 03:35.31 | gen0cide | meh, but id rather it up before the python script does its thing |
| 03:35.59 | tralala | why? |
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| 03:36.47 | gen0cide | Cuz thats how i roll. |
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| 03:37.32 | tralala | so how do you want it to start automatically then? |
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| 03:42.28 | gen0cide | I did this |
| 03:42.29 | gen0cide | " auto eth0" "iface eth0 inet manual" "up ifconfig $IFACE 0.0.0.0 up" |
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| 03:42.31 | gen0cide | and it worked |
| 03:42.31 | gen0cide | wewt |
| 03:42.46 | gen0cide | cept with eth0 i did ath0 |
| 03:42.50 | FlyingBishop | tralala: thanks. now to track down the cause... |
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| 03:45.07 | Arafangion | Hey, how do I set up mail for myself? (Local delivery only) |
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| 03:45.46 | Arafangion | The local server has dovecot installed, but I don't intend the local system to actually /send/ mail... So if I type "mail arafangion", I expect it to send me mail to my local unix account... But I can't figure out where it goes! |
| 03:46.23 | Arafangion | I've tried dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config (Which apparently works fine), and selected the "Maildir in user home dir" option, but when I try the mail command, I do not get any emails! |
| 03:46.33 | Arafangion | (That's despite dovecot being configured to use maildir in the user's home dir) |
| 03:46.46 | Arafangion | Additionally, if I just type "mail", I get "No mail for arafangion" |
| 03:47.26 | gen0cide | what command could i use to show all the daemons that are running? |
| 03:47.36 | Arafangion | gen0cide: What do you mean by "daemon"? |
| 03:47.49 | Arafangion | gen0cide: That's a bit of a trick question. :) |
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| 03:48.26 | gen0cide | I want to know if dnsmasq is runnning |
| 03:48.35 | gen0cide | i dont know if its starting at startup |
| 03:48.42 | Arafangion | ps aux | grep dnsmasq |
| 03:49.10 | Arafangion | That's the most trivial way to find out... But some services are started on demand, need to check xinitrc for those, but I doubt very much that dnsmasq falls into that category. |
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| 03:50.06 | Arafangion | Also check your /etc/rcX.d/ scripts |
| 03:50.11 | gen0cide | stuff comes up so i guess its runing |
| 03:50.48 | Arafangion | gen0cide: For dnsmasq... I suggest trying some actual dns requests. 'dig' is a good tool for that. |
| 03:51.08 | gen0cide | kk ill brb |
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| 03:53.36 | gen0cide | k i just connected to it, dnsmasq is running, i got an ip from it |
| 03:53.48 | gen0cide | Now to get shorewall to work |
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| 03:56.03 | Arafangion | wishes that email would actually /work/. |
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| 04:03.57 | Arafangion | What's broken with my mail here? This is the output of: "/var/spool/exim4/msglog/1OPyPX-0008Jb-LB": http://paste.pocoo.org/show/227167/ |
| 04:04.22 | Arafangion | Naturally, /var/log/mail.warn and /var/log/mail.err are empty. |
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| 04:06.38 | Arafangion | I'd show the configuration as well there, but exim4's configuration is just so *complex* that means that I would have to upload several dozen files, so if you know which one I should upload... Please just ask. |
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| 04:07.46 | lfs | hello? |
| 04:07.51 | Arafangion | appologizes for being frustrated. |
| 04:07.55 | Arafangion | lfs: Hello? |
| 04:08.18 | lfs | I changed video cards and now no X |
| 04:08.38 | hardbop200 | way OT, but I've been researching minimal website mgmt soft (think blog/wiki/etc.), but everything is...errm, too heavy. any sleeper softwares out there that are super-minimal for this type of purpose that you can recommend? |
| 04:09.34 | lfs | Debian asked me if I wanted to see detailed output and my ssystem is showing the wrong card. |
| 04:09.53 | Arafangion | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 04:10.00 | Arafangion | lfs: I think that should do it. |
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| 04:10.24 | Arafangion | notices that command doesn't actually ask him any questions anymore, on squeeze. Nice. |
| 04:11.00 | Arafangion | hardbop200: Perhaps "vi", of course, some people will claim that's far too bloated, and suggest you use "ed" instead. |
| 04:11.01 | lfs | thanks |
| 04:11.04 | lfs | I will try nonw |
| 04:11.38 | Arafangion | hardbop200: Personally, I'm using movabletype - many engines like to have a database installed, etc - which honestly isn't that bad an idea. |
| 04:11.53 | Arafangion | hardbop200: movabletype is a fairly big system though. |
| 04:11.59 | lfs | should I use framebuffer device interface? |
| 04:12.05 | hardbop200 | Arafangion: :) yea, and I stumbled upon a bash-based blogging tool last night, which was nice. but still, I just like to see what's out there |
| 04:12.08 | Arafangion | lfs: No. |
| 04:12.43 | Arafangion | lfs: Well, *probably* no... I don't actually know your specific setup. |
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| 04:14.24 | Arafangion | hardbop200: I movabletype requires "publishing", which seems to generate a somewhat static version of the website, no doubt for optimisation purposes. |
| 04:14.36 | Arafangion | doubts that it's fully static, though. |
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| 04:15.04 | jalalsfs | Hi |
| 04:15.33 | jalalsfs | I want to create an blogging, What's the better WordPress or Blogger? |
| 04:16.33 | Arafangion | jalalsfs: I've yet to use either, but even so, what does "better" mean? |
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| 04:17.44 | jalalsfs | Arafangion: I mean the best way to everything. |
| 04:17.58 | lfs | It now shows that my monitor is out of scan range. |
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| 04:18.57 | lfs | I guess that is a step in the right direction |
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| 04:20.18 | qq- | lfs, mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.old , and try startx |
| 04:21.04 | wrench | I installed a program using apt-get. Now I'm installing a newer version of the program manually. I untarred the file in /usr/local/src, ran config script, ran make, ran make install. When i enter the program's name on the CLI, it still runs the old version. I want to run the new version. How do I make this happen? |
| 04:22.13 | prince_jammys | wrench: hash -r |
| 04:22.34 | wrench | prince_jammys: eh? |
| 04:22.54 | lfs | how can I do startx if X is already running? |
| 04:23.13 | prince_jammys | wrench: in your shell: hash -r |
| 04:23.26 | wrench | prince_jammys: i don't have a program named hash |
| 04:23.33 | prince_jammys | do you have bash? |
| 04:23.40 | k\t | lfs: startx -- :1 |
| 04:23.52 | wrench | prince_jammys: yes |
| 04:23.55 | prince_jammys | wrench: then you have have hash: ''help hash'' |
| 04:24.16 | wrench | i see it now -- there was no man page |
| 04:24.25 | jpinx-eeepc | wrench: if the original was installed by apt-get - use aptitude to remove it |
| 04:24.25 | prince_jammys | (not ''man hash'', because it's a shell builtin) |
| 04:24.31 | lfs | still out of range |
| 04:24.53 | wrench | jpinx-eeepc: willdo |
| 04:25.08 | k\t | lfs: seems like a configuration problem, check your /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 04:25.31 | lfs | But I moved it to .old |
| 04:25.44 | jpinx-eeepc | wrench: that might break your hand-installed version, but you can re-do that ;) |
| 04:25.50 | prince_jammys | wrench: hash -r will "forget" the old location, if bash had hashed it. if that's not the problem, ensure that /usr/local/bin is in your PATH, and appears before the directory of the other installation (/usr/bin) |
| 04:26.17 | prince_jammys | or whatever it was |
| 04:26.43 | wrench | k |
| 04:26.47 | lfs | My screen is showing errors |
| 04:26.53 | wrench | thanks prince_jammys |
| 04:26.57 | prince_jammys | welcome |
| 04:27.02 | k\t | lfs: in that case from console- i,personally would run X -configure |
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| 04:27.34 | k\t | that should create a ~/xorg.conf.new file |
| 04:27.38 | Arafangion | How do I configure exim to deliver mail to ~/Mail? |
| 04:27.44 | lfs | Unable to locate/open config file |
| 04:28.09 | Arafangion | (Dovecot expects ~/Mail, which seems to be in a kind of mbox format, while exim4's configuration seems to be utterly incompatible) |
| 04:28.15 | k\t | when all else fails, man X and w3m X.org |
| 04:28.41 | k\t | take care.. : http://tinyurl.com/2865ef6 |
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| 04:29.19 | lfs | server is already active |
| 04:29.30 | qq- | lfs, stop it > /etc/init.d/gdm stop |
| 04:29.33 | lfs | won't let me run X -configure |
| 04:29.47 | qq- | If this server is no longer running, remove /tmp/.X0-lock |
| 04:29.54 | k\t | X :1 --configure |
| 04:31.05 | lfs | monitor still out of range |
| 04:32.04 | lfs | How do I find out which card it thinks I have? |
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| 04:33.01 | qq- | lspci | grep VGA |
| 04:33.46 | lfs | (EE) unable to locate/open config file |
| 04:34.44 | lfs | (EE) open /dev/fb0: no such file or directory |
| 04:35.49 | qq- | lfs, generate it |
| 04:35.55 | qq- | lfs, lenny ? |
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| 04:37.00 | Arafangion | has figured out how the heck exim4 seems to be working... But it's delivering mail to ~/Maildir How do I tell it to use ~/Mail instead (and in the right format) |
| 04:37.04 | lfs | How to check? |
| 04:37.34 | qq- | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:37.39 | lfs | It doesn't exactly have my card right. It knows it is ATI |
| 04:37.55 | mentor | Arafangion: You may have to edit a file in /etc/exim4/conf.d/main/ |
| 04:38.24 | lfs | 5.0.4 |
| 04:38.35 | qq- | !tell lfs about xorg config lenny |
| 04:39.00 | lfs | I did all that I think |
| 04:39.29 | qq- | read all that command says , to the end |
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| 04:40.05 | Arafangion | mentor: There are ten gazillion files in /etc/exim4... Which of the four should I edit in that particular directory, though? |
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| 04:40.19 | lfs | maybe I should try the dpkg command again |
| 04:40.41 | Arafangion | mentor: I assumed it would be 02_exim4-config_options, but that file doesn't even contain the term 'Mail', let alone mbox or maildir. |
| 04:40.43 | qq- | lfs, that's the right command for now |
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| 04:42.30 | lfs | I just ran the dpkg command and the X -configure command agagain |
| 04:43.35 | lfs | this time no (EE) but monitor out of range |
| 04:43.37 | qq- | it will create a /root/xorg.conf.new |
| 04:43.57 | gen0cide | If i leave shorewall the way it is, and i start lighttpd , and try to access an html page from the machine, will shorewall block it? |
| 04:44.23 | qq- | gen0cide, just test it |
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| 04:45.17 | lfs | I have /root/xorg.conf.new |
| 04:45.24 | gen0cide | meh ill do that later then |
| 04:46.02 | qq- | lfs, 06:38<qq-> read all that command says , to the end |
| 04:46.07 | lfs | unknown board |
| 04:46.52 | qq- | how you started X for last test ? |
| 04:46.56 | lfs | I am using ircII, how to see that again. |
| 04:47.03 | lfs | startx |
| 04:47.07 | qq- | no |
| 04:47.43 | lfs | I used startx as user |
| 04:47.48 | qq- | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:48.06 | qq- | as root |
| 04:48.33 | lfs | How to stop X? |
| 04:48.42 | lfs | forgot that command |
| 04:48.59 | qq- | read logs |
| 04:50.42 | qq- | too late here zzzz |
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| 04:51.10 | Arafangion | gives up with exim4. |
| 04:52.10 | Arafangion | mentor: Incidentially, I discovered that /etc/exim4/exim4.conf.template turns out to be the configuration file if you don't split the files into a zillion smaller files, I was expecting that to be merely a "sample configuration" (hence the word template) |
| 04:52.30 | lfs | monitor still out of scan range |
| 04:53.34 | Arafangion | mentor: But changing the respecting line to: file = /var/$local_part/Mail didn't seem to make any difference other than stopping ~/Maildir from being updated - certainly nothing was added to ~/Mail |
| 04:54.06 | Arafangion | lfs: It's possible that your monitor is lying as to what its capabilities are. |
| 04:54.13 | Arafangion | lfs: That complicates things. |
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| 04:55.12 | gnufun | Hello. New install of lenny. Trying to get wireless b43 working. It worked perfectly for about fifteen minutes, then all of a sudden wireless topeed working and now no networking (including wired works) Any suggestions? |
| 04:55.39 | Arafangion | gnufun: Which kernel? |
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| 04:56.08 | gnufun | 2.6.26-2-686 |
| 04:56.56 | Arafangion | gnufun: Hmm, not bad... May be worth upgrading anyway. |
| 04:57.44 | gnufun | Arafangion: IS the best way to do that through backports? Or is is better to compile from source at kernel.org? |
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| 05:00.02 | gnufun | I untarred the download from kernal.org and noticed that the b43 driver is included in the kernal. Does this mean that If I compiled this kernel, it would install this driver on its own? |
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| 05:00.44 | Arafangion | gnufun: If you're compiling a kernel from source, /dpkg kernel-package |
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| 05:01.04 | Arafangion | gnufun: But debian usually puts a recent, good kernel in the repo, so if you're updated, you're probably fine. |
| 05:01.20 | Arafangion | gnufun: I only mention because in squeeze, some of the kernels played badly with some wifi cards. |
| 05:01.29 | Arafangion | gnufun: It's possible that issue never entered lenny. |
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| 05:03.53 | gnufun | Arafangion: the one in the repo is 2.6.26, the latest stable release from kernel.org is 2.6.34 . I might need to reinstall from scratch, because I cannot connect to any network |
| 05:05.55 | Arafangion | gnufun: The specific issue I had was related to power management. Could try reloading the module, or rebooting. |
| 05:06.13 | Arafangion | gnufun: (It's a crappy solution, but useful to see what the issue is - in my case, reloading hte module didn't work, I Had to reboot) |
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| 05:07.59 | gnufun | I tried rebooting, that did not work. As far as the module, I will try it |
| 05:09.20 | crazygir | hiya, attempting to follow these directions in getting support for a newer model wacom tablet: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1466770 |
| 05:09.25 | crazygir | results in: http://dpaste.org/LiS5/ |
| 05:09.51 | gnufun | modprobe -r b43 then modprobe b43 really messed up things, now nm applet does not even "see" wireless networks in the area |
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| 05:13.53 | crazygir | one thing that is confusing is that the configure script appears to be complaining about a lack of Xorg dev, though I have xserver-xorg-dev |
| 05:14.18 | crazygir | and the other dev packages suggested in the forum |
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| 05:16.46 | Arafangion | crazygir: What's wrong with just installing the binary packages? |
| 05:16.49 | istok | hrmm, apt-get is being iffy, it now has a process +D, i can't kill it and any further apt-get fail, due to E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable) |
| 05:17.38 | crazygir | Arafangion: they aren't current enough to support these newer hardware revisions |
| 05:17.50 | istok | i don't want to reboot or rm -rf /var/lib/dpkg/lock |
| 05:17.57 | istok | if i can help it |
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| 05:20.25 | Arafangion | crazygir: Hmm, you're right... The latest ones in debian seem to be dated from April 2010 |
| 05:21.44 | Arafangion | crazygir: Try apt-get build-dep xserver-xorg-input-wacom |
| 05:21.54 | Arafangion | crazygir: And hope the build dependencies haven't changed. :) |
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| 05:23.23 | crazygir | I've installed that the input package as well |
| 05:23.35 | crazygir | tested the current module recognizes the tablet |
| 05:23.40 | Arafangion | crazygir: I said 'build-dep', not 'install'.. |
| 05:23.40 | crazygir | but doesn't actually work |
| 05:24.13 | crazygir | trying |
| 05:25.51 | crazygir | wooohooo |
| 05:26.30 | Arafangion | crazygir: I suggest you learn how to build proper debian packages. You saw that doing just a tiny part "the debian way" makes life much simpler... Consider going the full hog. |
| 05:27.18 | crazygir | you have a point :) |
| 05:27.27 | Arafangion | crazygir: Ie, end up with a good .deb you can manage yourself using the typical debian package system. :) |
| 05:27.38 | crazygir | nods |
| 05:27.42 | Arafangion | ALso makes it easier to keep a copy of the binaries. :) |
| 05:27.43 | crazygir | thanks for the direction |
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| 05:28.41 | wrench | how come when i install a package w/ apt-get it asks me questions about DecNet -- I'm not sure what that is |
| 05:29.18 | Arafangion | crazygir: The last point I do need to make, though, is that we don't support Ubuntu... If you're actually using Debian, you might get more help if you actually say that - referring to ubuntu's forums makes you a bit suspect. |
| 05:30.08 | Arafangion | Interesting that the wacom source code supports unreleased linux kernels. |
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| 05:32.43 | crazygir | Arafangion: I'd be better just switching to debian.. the ubuntu folks aren't much help |
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| 05:33.37 | Arafangion | crazygir: They do have an unfortunate "newbie" culture - great if you're in the camp that just needs the odd word procesor, website, and other regular tasks... But as soon as you stray out the mainline... You're on your own. :( |
| 05:33.59 | crazygir | yep, with broken tools, packages, and configurations |
| 05:34.09 | Arafangion | crazygir: I hear that their forums are good, though, but I've been bitten by Ubuntu before and am now biased against them. |
| 05:34.14 | crazygir | I'm still surprised how well they've succeeded with what does "just work" |
| 05:34.36 | crazygir | yea, I'm from the BSD world, so non of it really thrills me much :P |
| 05:34.40 | Arafangion | crazygir: I was NOT impressed when their "LTS" version randomly deleted my opengl headers during a minor upgrade. |
| 05:34.50 | crazygir | hah |
| 05:35.43 | Arafangion | Lesson of the day: Don't upgrade Ubuntu unless you have enough time that you might as well run Debian Unstable. |
| 05:35.59 | Arafangion | (Don't run debian unstable though - you're *also* on your own there. :) ) |
| 05:36.31 | jpinx-eeepc | runs stable with backports and wonders what all the fuss is about |
| 05:38.03 | Arafangion | jpinx-eeepc: Excellent quip. :) As a developer, I do like somewhat more recent libraries... But that's where it really ends. Stable's where it's at. |
| 05:38.50 | jpinx-eeepc | I've done some ssb-ing of one or two things I waanted and no problems - debian stable reall *is* :) |
| 05:39.23 | Arafangion | ??ssb |
| 05:39.42 | Arafangion | wonders what the magical incantation for *this* channel's dictionary bot. |
| 05:39.43 | jpinx-eeepc | !ssb |
| 05:39.43 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <backports.org>. If unavailable: 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list 2) enable backports.org (see <bpo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 05:39.50 | Arafangion | Ahh, nice. |
| 05:39.54 | jpinx-eeepc | there ya go :) |
| 05:40.17 | Arafangion | Yeah, that works nicely. |
| 05:40.39 | Arafangion | runs testing though, for no real reason, but he doesn't actually depend on his systems. |
| 05:41.39 | Arafangion | Even unstable's better than my work system - windows 7! |
| 05:42.10 | Arafangion | Which bluescreens each week for some *unfathomable* reason. I suspect it's because it's running windows 7. |
| 05:42.25 | jpinx-eeepc | Arafangion: heh - I travel worldwide and I *really* depend on OS stability |
| 05:42.41 | Arafangion | Even getting access to the diagnostics of that bluescreen requires some "more-administrator-than-administrator" privilages. |
| 05:42.58 | jpinx-eeepc | if it doesn't "just work" I am not interested ;) |
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| 05:43.22 | jpinx-eeepc | windows 7 is worse than gentoo ! |
| 05:43.24 | Arafangion | jpinx-eeepc: Right now my least reliable component at home is the wifi card... The antenna just *falls off* |
| 05:44.00 | Arafangion | jpinx-eeepc: /almost/... win7 at least does install. Gentoo didn't always install... I'm referring to their mac os x port, which was embarrising for them. :) |
| 05:44.12 | Arafangion | (Which didn't work /at all/) |
| 05:44.18 | jpinx-eeepc | invested in a cheap-n-cheerful high-power usb wifi adaptor |
| 05:44.37 | Arafangion | probably should've gone with usb... But went all traditional and got a pci one. |
| 05:44.52 | jpinx-eeepc | which keeps the coffee warm and is probably frying my brains too |
| 05:45.44 | wrench | how come when i install a package w/ member:apt-get it asks me questions about DecNet? -- I'm not sure what that is |
| 05:45.44 | Arafangion | I'm sure it's weaker than the mobile phones and microwave ovens people use. |
| 05:46.02 | wrench | *apt-get |
| 05:46.03 | jpinx-eeepc | i get some considerable wierdness when using wifi - sometimes wicd starts to munch cpu like mad |
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| 05:46.29 | jpinx-eeepc | !tell wrench about why aptitude |
| 05:47.17 | wrench | jpinx-eeepc: sounds good. But still the question remains |
| 05:47.49 | jpinx-eeepc | wrench: did you try it with aptitude? |
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| 05:48.08 | jmarsden | wrench: See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DECnet for more about that. Why apt-get is asking you about it, I have no idea. |
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| 05:48.23 | wrench | jpinx-eeepc: apt-get works fine -- I was just curious about DECnet |
| 05:49.01 | jpinx-eeepc | *shrug* |
| 05:50.03 | wrench | well. thanks for the brain cycles heh |
| 05:50.33 | jmarsden | wrench: There is a DECnet implementation for Linux; something you installed must support it and want config info about your local DECnet... so the package installer asked apt-get to ask you for that info... but you did not say what package you were installing, so it is hard to be more specific :) |
| 05:51.15 | wrench | jmarsden: gotcha. thanks! |
| 05:51.49 | wrench | can't even remember what he was installing heh |
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| 05:52.37 | jpinx-eeepc | wrench: try apt-cache policy on whatever it was? |
| 05:52.41 | Arafangion | wrench: Time to report you to the authorities to strip root access from any box you administer. |
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| 05:53.30 | wrench | I remember now... it was pbnj |
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| 05:54.51 | jpinx-eeepc | ,versions pbnj |
| 05:54.54 | judd | pbnj -- etch: 2.04-2; lenny: 2.04-4; sid: 2.04-4; squeeze: 2.04-4 |
| 05:55.04 | jpinx-eeepc | !pbnj |
| 05:55.28 | jpinx-eeepc | mhm |
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| 06:01.49 | maqr | so i just upgraded from etch to lenny... should my kernel change? nothing told me to reboot, but i'm not sure if i should |
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| 06:02.15 | jpinx-eeepc | maqr: did you follow the guide here? |
| 06:02.24 | jpinx-eeepc | if so - reboot :) |
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| 06:03.10 | maqr | jpinx-eeepc: i followed the thing the bot told me to do |
| 06:03.54 | jpinx-eeepc | cool - any errors? |
| 06:04.34 | maqr | jpinx-eeepc: nope, on a production server no less :p |
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| 06:05.02 | jpinx-eeepc | wow - you're doing well |
| 06:05.08 | foxmulder881 | Don't kernel upgrades always require a reboot? |
| 06:05.13 | jpinx-eeepc | do you have remote hands? |
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| 06:05.23 | maqr | i'm not sure if it did try and update the kernel or not |
| 06:05.34 | maqr | jpinx-eeepc: sort of, i have remote kvm if everything explodes |
| 06:05.48 | foxmulder881 | What kernel are you using? |
| 06:06.06 | maqr | 2.6.18.8 |
| 06:06.17 | foxmulder881 | Geez, old. |
| 06:06.17 | maqr | actually, it's a linode vps, if that's relevant at all... i'm not even sure i can change it? |
| 06:06.25 | foxmulder881 | Probably has not upgraded. |
| 06:06.28 | jpinx-eeepc | maqr: did you do the aptitude update/upgrade on the new lenny install untill it stopped complaining? |
| 06:06.41 | maqr | jpinx-eeepc: yes sir, i did |
| 06:06.58 | jpinx-eeepc | maqr: cool - vps's tend to not upgrde the kernel |
| 06:07.19 | jpinx-eeepc | I ended up with lenny guest ona etch host for a while ;) |
| 06:07.32 | maqr | jpinx-eeepc: oh, looks like i have to upgrade it with linode's control panel, and what i have now is listed as 'deprecated' :P |
| 06:07.42 | maqr | i've not been the most attentive admin in a year or so :\ |
| 06:07.52 | jpinx-eeepc | maqr: sounds like it :) |
| 06:08.27 | maqr | fixing it now though :P |
| 06:08.30 | jpinx-eeepc | well - you will need to get the new version of whaatever kernel is appropriate |
| 06:09.38 | maqr | yeah, i can do that, the only thing i'm slightly concerned about is the asterisk kernel modules, but i guess i can rebuild them |
| 06:09.41 | jpinx-eeepc | I had to find a later xen kernel for mine.... |
| 06:10.10 | maqr | yeah, you heard me, i compiled kernel modules on a vps :P |
| 06:10.44 | jpinx-eeepc | but once you have installed the right kernel, do the aptitude update/grade again till it stops complaining and reboot |
| 06:11.08 | maqr | jpinx-eeepc: i'm honestly surprised at how smoothly this seems to have gone |
| 06:12.20 | foxmulder881 | I get suspicious when such large upgrades go so smoothly. |
| 06:12.28 | maqr | well, time to reboot and see what happens, i guess |
| 06:12.29 | jpinx-eeepc | maqr: mine did too - I had to run aptitude about 6 times to clear everything, but reebooted without a murmur |
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| 06:13.11 | maqr | well, it's 2am on a friday night, so i think if my pbx breaks, i'll be alright |
| 06:14.00 | foxmulder881 | I guess you'll soon find out! |
| 06:15.02 | jpinx-eeepc | good luck ! |
| 06:15.32 | maqr | 2.6.32.12 now :) |
| 06:15.43 | maqr | wow, and asterisk is up |
| 06:15.45 | maqr | mindblown |
| 06:16.18 | foxmulder881 | Well done. Congrats. |
| 06:16.32 | maqr | i should probably still update it, as it's a pretty old 1.6.0 beta build... that can't be very secure |
| 06:16.43 | jpinx-eeepc | :) |
| 06:16.47 | jpinx-eeepc | awesome ! |
| 06:17.07 | jpinx-eeepc | yea - do the whole update/grade thing again |
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| 06:17.15 | jpinx-eeepc | welcome to lenny :) |
| 06:17.15 | maqr | i don't know what voodoo you debian folks are doing, but please keep it up, this is amazingly smooth |
| 06:17.28 | maqr | :) |
| 06:17.48 | maqr | jpinx-eeepc: last time i built asterisk from source because 1.6.x still wasn't in debian... and it still seems that it's not |
| 06:18.08 | jpinx-eeepc | ,versions asterisk |
| 06:18.10 | judd | asterisk -- etch: 1:1.2.13~dfsg-2etch4; etch-security: 1:1.2.13~dfsg-2etch4; lenny: 1:1.4.21.2~dfsg-3+lenny1; lenny-security: 1:1.4.21.2~dfsg-3+lenny1; squeeze: 1:1.6.2.6-1; sid: 1:1.6.2.7-1 |
| 06:18.31 | maqr | weird, i guess i'll just build it myself |
| 06:18.39 | maqr | or should i go for squeeze? |
| 06:18.40 | jpinx-eeepc | maqr: you might be able to do a ssb of it from sid |
| 06:18.48 | jpinx-eeepc | !ssb |
| 06:18.48 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <backports.org>. If unavailable: 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list 2) enable backports.org (see <bpo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 06:18.58 | maqr | eh, i'll just build it myself |
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| 06:19.17 | jpinx-eeepc | maqr: that give you 1:1.6.2.7-1 |
| 06:19.39 | maqr | jpinx-eeepc: that is pretty tempting |
| 06:20.00 | maqr | jpinx-eeepc: everything is already setup as /home/asterisk/local though, it'd probably mess with my config a lot |
| 06:20.10 | foxmulder881 | I'm confused. If you build yourself, what version are you going to have as opposed to using the debian deb packages readily available? |
| 06:20.15 | jpinx-eeepc | debain does not touch configs |
| 06:20.26 | maqr | jpinx-eeepc: yeah, but it won't install it to /home/asterisk/local/sbin either |
| 06:20.40 | jpinx-eeepc | maqr: you can backup , but I don't thinlk you will find it a problem |
| 06:20.52 | maqr | alright, everything else has been awesome to date... so i'll give it a go |
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| 06:21.37 | jpinx-eeepc | maqr: ssb and aptitude will install it the debian way - making maintenance easier ;) |
| 06:22.07 | maqr | jpinx-eeepc: it doesn't seem there's a backport though... what's this deb-src line i'm supposed to add? |
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| 06:22.39 | jpinx-eeepc | maqr: read the whole of the simple-sid backports thing |
| 06:23.02 | jpinx-eeepc | itt allows you to get the sid version and build your own .deb |
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| 06:24.41 | maqr | tries to figure it out |
| 06:25.19 | jpinx-eeepc | !ssb |
| 06:25.19 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <backports.org>. If unavailable: 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list 2) enable backports.org (see <bpo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
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| 06:25.42 | jpinx-eeepc | maqr: did you look in backports.org? |
| 06:26.09 | maqr | yeah, i'm reading it now |
| 06:26.21 | maqr | jpinx-eeepc: it doesn't appear there's an asterisk backport |
| 06:26.25 | jpinx-eeepc | ok |
| 06:26.34 | maqr | i also added the deb-src for sid |
| 06:26.58 | jpinx-eeepc | then follow the rest of the factoid - it tells you to get the right deb-src line into your sources.list |
| 06:27.11 | jpinx-eeepc | maqr: and then get the tools you will need |
| 06:27.37 | maqr | jpinx-eeepc: yeah, i'm up to "aptitude build-dep asterisk"... but it's really unclear as to what version it would like to install |
| 06:27.42 | maqr | or build, i suppose |
| 06:27.54 | jpinx-eeepc | maqr: the version in sid |
| 06:28.11 | jpinx-eeepc | it was a sid line you added to you sources list :) |
| 06:28.22 | maqr | ohh, i should remove the other deb-src line |
| 06:29.02 | maqr | jpinx-eeepc: i get some warnings about 'unable to satisfy the build-depends'... do you think that's an issue? |
| 06:29.13 | maqr | it still asks me if i want to continue |
| 06:29.22 | jpinx-eeepc | maqr: yes- you should only have one deb-src line |
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| 06:30.35 | jpinx-eeepc | maqr: if you use deb-src for other stuff, don't forget to change it back when you're ddone |
| 06:30.44 | maqr | nope, that's it |
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| 06:31.08 | maqr | jpinx-eeepc: http://pastie.org/1011154 <--- does this look sane? |
| 06:31.17 | project2501a | idea: wouldn't it be great if update manager/apt/aptitude had an option to show what changed in each package being upgraded? |
| 06:31.33 | simonrvn | !apt-listchanges |
| 06:31.33 | dpkg | i guess apt-listchanges is a package that shows you the NEWS.Debian and/or the Debian changelogs for packages before upgrading them. It is well worth it for stable users, to see what is happening to their machines as they apply security fixes. It should be made _mandatory_ for users of testing and unstable. Also ask me about <d-d-a>, <apt-listbugs>. |
| 06:32.25 | project2501a | simonrvn: cool now when are we going to see it part of apt? :> |
| 06:32.33 | jpinx-eeepc | maqr: looks ok to me |
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| 06:32.55 | maqr | jpinx-eeepc: how about this? http://pastie.org/1011155 ... i'm not sure what's up with those build-depends errors or warnings or whatever they are |
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| 06:34.28 | jpinx-eeepc | maqr: looks like your system is missing a load of stuff.... |
| 06:34.34 | karsten | project2501a: apt is not just a single command. it's the net of the packaging tools and system. |
| 06:34.35 | simonrvn | it gets called after it downloads the debs |
| 06:34.56 | maqr | jpinx-eeepc: it looks that way, but i'm not sure how, since update/upgrade/full-upgrade don't want to change anything else |
| 06:35.08 | maqr | also, i don't know what this {a} thing is for, that's new to me |
| 06:35.12 | jpinx-eeepc | maqr: but there are no actual errors in there - just telling you it's going to install the kitchen sin k |
| 06:35.36 | maqr | jpinx-eeepc: "Unable to satisfy the build-depends" isn't an error? |
| 06:36.10 | jpinx-eeepc | it is an error which it then tells you how it will be resolved, by installing the depends |
| 06:36.36 | jpinx-eeepc | but if that is too much to uinstall, you might want to build it yourself after all.... |
| 06:36.43 | maqr | nah, i'll trust it |
| 06:36.46 | maqr | presses 'yes' |
| 06:37.00 | jpinx-eeepc | argh :/ |
| 06:37.11 | maqr | what could possibly go wrong |
| 06:37.20 | jpinx-eeepc | I admire your faith |
| 06:37.33 | maqr | i'm feeling lucky after the upgrade |
| 06:37.45 | maqr | though why it thinks it needs to install libsdl is beyond me |
| 06:38.05 | maqr | i'm almost positive asterisk doesn't have any 3d in it |
| 06:38.17 | jpinx-eeepc | it did a similar thing to me - installed a load of stuff to support the ssb, but yours is more |
| 06:38.51 | maqr | well, too many libraries doesn't sound like it could hurt anything |
| 06:38.55 | maqr | it finished! |
| 06:39.10 | jpinx-eeepc | and I used aptitude purge and deb-orphan afterwards to clear out the unneeded stuff |
| 06:39.37 | maqr | jpinx-eeepc: still won't actually build though, as far as i can tell... i'll paste |
| 06:39.58 | jpinx-eeepc | apt-get the source |
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| 06:40.03 | maqr | http://pastie.org/1011159 |
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| 06:40.43 | project2501a | karsten: ok. my bad. i was just thinking of a unified way of upgrading installing everything from apt, including searching. |
| 06:40.47 | project2501a | too many tools |
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| 06:41.19 | jpinx-eeepc | maqr: try running aptitude update and safe-upgrade to clear the depends |
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| 06:43.10 | maqr | jpinx-eeepc: nothing to upgrade there... but apt-get source asterisk produced some tarballs and things... but apt-get -b source asterisk produces some dependency errors |
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| 06:43.41 | maqr | http://pastie.org/1011162 |
| 06:44.13 | maqr | i'm not sure why it wouldn't fetch those dependencies, but they're the same ones it says it's unable to satisfy during build-dep |
| 06:46.12 | maqr | jpinx-eeepc: i guess it goes a couple layers deep, and i'd have to build backport deps for each of those packages too? |
| 06:46.50 | jpinx-eeepc | possibly - I have not come across that except when I istalled skype and had to do the depends by hand |
| 06:47.27 | maqr | yeah, it looks like there's about 7 i'm missing |
| 06:48.06 | maqr | i'll give building asterisk by itself a quick try and see if it still demands all of that |
| 06:48.38 | gigo | i have installed debian on qemu-system-ppc. how can I know whether it is 32-bit or 64-bit? |
| 06:48.43 | jpinx-eeepc | maqr: it might be that this bleeding edge version is not suitable |
| 06:49.24 | jpinx-eeepc | maqr: ok - good plan - it'll be interesting to see if you get a different set of depends... |
| 06:49.25 | maqr | jpinx-eeepc: yeah, i should have just stayed on 1.4, i dont' remember why i used 1.6 |
| 06:49.38 | jpinx-eeepc | !sns |
| 06:49.38 | dpkg | Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>. |
| 06:49.43 | maqr | heh |
| 06:49.48 | jpinx-eeepc | :) |
| 06:50.20 | Arafangion | The modern form seems to be most severe with anything starting with 'i'. |
| 06:50.33 | maqr | jpinx-eeepc: oh, actually, apparently i *am* on 1.4... i just happen to have sources from 1.6 laying around... umm, ignore me :) |
| 06:50.40 | maqr | i wonder why those sources are there |
| 06:50.46 | jpinx-eeepc | maqr: ouch |
| 06:50.55 | jpinx-eeepc | mixed packages will cause troubles |
| 06:50.59 | maqr | jpinx-eeepc: i think i was stupid about 2 years ago... i hope it's fixed now |
| 06:51.17 | jpinx-eeepc | I'd reverse out of that ssb rather smartly :) |
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| 06:51.35 | maqr | i don't think it actually did anything, so i'm good :) |
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| 06:52.30 | jpinx-eeepc | maqr: i.4 is standard lanny - a much better bet for you :) |
| 06:53.04 | jpinx-eeepc | rearranges his three thumbs |
| 06:53.31 | maqr | :) |
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| 06:54.19 | jpinx-eeepc | maqr: ssb is not guaraanteed to work everytime. I have had good experieence, but i have heard otherwise from other folk |
| 06:54.19 | gigo | i have installed debian on qemu-system-ppc. how can I know whether it is 32-bit or 64-bit? |
| 06:54.37 | maqr | jpinx-eeepc: yeah, i don't think i ever need it now, but it seems like a smart way of doing things |
| 06:54.40 | lmaowaffle | hi all. How do I 'unstage' pending upgrades in Aptitude. Quitting and restarting still keeps the upgrades pending. I'm bandwidth capped for the month, so I only want to select a few upgrades |
| 06:54.58 | lmaowaffle | I hit 'U' previously and this marked all possible upgrades |
| 06:55.01 | jpinx-eeepc | maqr: worked a charm for me installing a latest linphone |
| 06:55.40 | jpinx-eeepc | lmaowaffle: I am not sure - but it'll be in man aptitude ;) |
| 06:57.50 | lmaowaffle | hm |
| 06:58.00 | lmaowaffle | it's not keep-all |
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| 07:00.18 | lmaowaffle | oh wait, it is |
| 07:00.20 | lmaowaffle | hah |
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| 07:01.59 | gigo | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.4/powerpc/iso-cd/ are 32-bit or 64-bit images? |
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| 07:10.13 | lmaowaffle | Upon aptitude install gnome-colors, I get a whole heap of unconfigured packages: http://paste2.org/p/883560 |
| 07:10.31 | lmaowaffle | the error starts at line 42, with update-alternatives: error: unable to make /usr/share/icons/gnome/scalable/places/start-here.svg.dpkg-tmp a symlink to /etc/alternatives/start-here.svg: No such file or directory |
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| 07:11.02 | lmaowaffle | aptitude purge gnome-colors, then reinstall, yields the same problem |
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| 07:16.38 | greenmang0 | lmaowaffle: how about creating symlink manually? |
| 07:17.03 | greenmang0 | lmaowaffle: give 777 permissions to start-here.svg.dpkg-tmp temporarily |
| 07:17.38 | greenmang0 | lmaowaffle: and then reinstall gnome-colors-common |
| 07:18.01 | greenmang0 | lmaowaffle: then set permissions to default again |
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| 07:19.20 | lmaowaffle | greenmang0: start-here.svg.dpkg-tmp doesn't exist |
| 07:19.33 | lmaowaffle | ../../scalable doesn't exist either :( |
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| 07:20.12 | lmaowaffle | cd /etc/aliases.db |
| 07:20.15 | lmaowaffle | bleh |
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| 07:21.05 | lmaowaffle | greenmang0: you know what, the symlink actually already exists |
| 07:21.27 | lmaowaffle | but it's broken |
| 07:21.34 | sechrist | okay so I have the debian testing amd64 iso |
| 07:21.41 | sechrist | I created a virtual box machine |
| 07:21.44 | greenmang0 | lmaowaffle: and why is it broken? |
| 07:21.45 | sechrist | I hit enter on install and nothing happens |
| 07:21.45 | lmaowaffle | er, scratch that, start-here.svg.dpkg-tmp -> /usr/share/icons/gnome-colors-common/scalable/places/gnome-colors.svg |
| 07:21.48 | frikinz_ | Hi guys. I'd like to encrypt my fs. I have never used lvm, only the underlying dm for raid purpose. Would lvm actually make it easier for setting up whole disk encrpytion (appart from /boot). I don't think I will actually resize anything. I have /var /home separate from / and a few /mnt. |
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| 07:22.25 | frikinz_ | I'm heading to the wiki but any experience or links is welcome. |
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| 07:22.45 | greenmang0 | lmaowaffle: librsvg2-common <- do you have this package installed? |
| 07:22.45 | lmaowaffle | greenmang0: i don't know why gnome-colors-common creates the symlink twice, pointing to different locations each time during install |
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| 07:23.04 | lmaowaffle | greenmang0: yes |
| 07:23.09 | greenmang0 | lmaowaffle: ok |
| 07:23.32 | greenmang0 | lmaowaffle: how about removing that broken link and trying again? |
| 07:24.20 | Bushmills | frikinz_: consider to encrypt just the sensitive portions - doesn't make too much sense to encrypt what is freely available anyway |
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| 07:24.31 | lmaowaffle | greenmang0: i was wrong. that link i posted wasn't broken. it was pointing to an existing location. However, dpkg tries to create a symlink to a non-existing location |
| 07:24.53 | lmaowaffle | greenmang0: compare the two symlinks i've mentioned |
| 07:25.07 | lmaowaffle | the difference is one's root dir is gnome-colors-common, whereas the other is gnome |
| 07:25.46 | greenmang0 | lmaowaffle: create the location manually and try |
| 07:26.06 | greenmang0 | lmaowaffle: or create a symlink of location itself :) |
| 07:27.20 | lmaowaffle | that wouldn't seem right |
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| 07:31.24 | maqr | jpinx-eeepc: success! |
| 07:31.55 | jpinx-eeepc | maqr: cool :) |
| 07:32.06 | jpinx-eeepc | maqr: self build or ssb? |
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| 07:35.04 | maqr | jpinx-eeepc: neither, just regular lenny |
| 07:35.43 | jpinx-eeepc | even better :) |
| 07:35.53 | Dassu | :( |
| 07:36.02 | maqr | now i just need to make sure i have iptables set up sensibly, and i think i'm good |
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| 07:36.12 | Piratero_ | Hello everyone. |
| 07:36.25 | Dassu | hello Piratero_ |
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| 07:36.49 | greenmang0 | lmaowaffle: solved? |
| 07:37.36 | Piratero_ | For apt-cache show, is there a way to see where that package is? I mean, whether it's in squeeze, sid, etc? |
| 07:37.43 | Piratero_ | Or rather, from which repository? |
| 07:37.58 | Piratero_ | There is no '-t' flag for apt-cache. |
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| 07:38.18 | lilith | anyone in? |
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| 07:38.46 | karsten | lilith: No, he just left. |
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| 07:39.11 | Bushmills | lilith: statistical matter. of the 6.5 billion people on earth, i estimate about a third to sleep now, and 90% of those to sleep inside. |
| 07:39.21 | lilith | shoot, and I wanted to ask him about something! |
| 07:39.28 | Piratero_ | lilith: Everyone just died. |
| 07:39.31 | karsten | Bushmills: Excellent point. |
| 07:39.35 | lilith | lol! |
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| 07:40.54 | Bushmills | though my estimation is a bit off, china and india are not in sleep cycle now |
| 07:41.12 | maqr | jpinx-eeepc: thanks btw, you inspired me to do it the right way ;) |
| 07:41.51 | jpinx-eeepc | you're welcome :) |
| 07:41.51 | lilith | have any of you gotten dirs in home named Desktop-xxxxxx? I do and they are always empty. Should I be concerned? |
| 07:42.32 | frikinz_ | Bushmills, I've heard the overhead is quite low. Cause sensitive datas are everywhere with desktop environments.. I might have modified things in /etc for example. I would have to do encryption on dir rather than on partition. |
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| 07:42.44 | karsten | lilith: I'd be concerned if I got dirs named Coffin-xxxxx |
| 07:42.56 | karsten | lilith: desktops I can handle. |
| 07:43.11 | Bushmills | frikinz_: reason for the suggestion is not the overhead, but the reduced complexity during boot |
| 07:43.22 | karsten | would look at the ctime of the directory in question for clues as to their creation. |
| 07:43.39 | frikinz_ | Bushmills, you mean.. for example by not encrpyting / but only /home? |
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| 07:43.48 | Bushmills | frikinz_: unattented boot is probably not desired - that would render the benefits of encryption non-existent |
| 07:43.49 | lilith | I've been getting a lot of crashes with e17 and to see if they are related I'm going to see if they increase with each crash |
| 07:44.25 | Bushmills | so you want the machine to be able, and run, but manually interact with it to allow access to sensitive data regions |
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| 07:45.37 | Bushmills | for manually mounting directories after boot, something like encfs is rather simple to use |
| 07:45.58 | Iran | hi, great ful if someone help me with this thanks http://pastebin.org/342301 |
| 07:46.15 | lilith | ok karsten |
| 07:46.32 | karsten | Iran: Um, have you installed tcl? |
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| 07:47.02 | Iran | karsten, i guess not any guide how to do that? |
| 07:47.02 | karsten | lilith: I'd figure they are created either at the beginning or end of an X session. |
| 07:47.02 | karsten | Iran: man aptitude |
| 07:47.02 | frikinz_ | Bushmills, Luks is also very simple I find |
| 07:47.08 | karsten | !tell Iran about aptitude |
| 07:47.13 | Iran | Thanks :) |
| 07:47.20 | SparFux1 | Anybody using Xmonad dFloat function here? It doesn't work for me. |
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| 07:48.52 | karsten | lilith: If there's nothing in them, there's liekly no hardm in deleting them. Does the 'xxxxx' part seem to correspond to anything sensibe (say: X display number, PID, or timestamp of some sort)? |
| 07:50.11 | lilith | karsten: no, they go up in numerical order, although they skip numbers here and then |
| 07:50.44 | karsten | Iran: 'aptitude install tcl' should go a long way to addressing your problem. |
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| 07:50.58 | lilith | I just deleted them and see if they come back, after rebooting and/or when I get a crash |
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| 07:51.13 | karsten | lilith: How uncreative. Fibonacci sequence would at least have shown a little flair. |
| 07:51.23 | lilith | lol |
| 07:51.30 | frikinz_ | ok and performance wise (IO and CPU), I wonder how encfs and luks compare. |
| 07:53.06 | lilith | but yeah, I had a lookand they didn't look like date.It ws the first thingI did |
| 07:53.13 | karsten | frikinz_: That's simple enough to determine. |
| 07:53.51 | karsten | frikinz_: I've use loopback encrypted mounts. For desktop use, really not a significant issue, even on larger files. |
| 07:53.52 | Piratero_ | Is MPlayer just a hassle to install on Debian? |
| 07:53.59 | karsten | Piratero_: No. |
| 07:54.13 | karsten | Piratero_: add the debian-multimedia repos. Install. |
| 07:54.16 | Piratero_ | There seems to be of no real 'easy' way to install the 'latest' svn snapshot other than building my own package. |
| 07:54.26 | karsten | Piratero_: That's possible. |
| 07:54.31 | Piratero_ | karsten: I did that... it has some build from 2008 AFAIK. |
| 07:54.34 | karsten | !tell Piratero_ about debian-multimedia |
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| 07:54.45 | karsten | Piratero_: ... what Debian release are you running? |
| 07:54.52 | Piratero_ | Lenny |
| 07:55.09 | Piratero_ | 5.0.4... |
| 07:55.41 | karsten | Piratero_: What's 5.0.4? |
| 07:55.57 | karsten | Piratero_: ... and you might want to see if there's a backport, though I don't know how that works with d-m |
| 07:56.05 | karsten | dmm. |
| 07:56.18 | Piratero_ | karsten: I just cat'd /etc/debian_version. |
| 07:56.36 | Piratero_ | OK. Unstable/Sid has some 2010 build... |
| 07:56.40 | frikinz_ | karsten, old style :) I've also used loop and luks intensively but never looked at performance. also as I was thinking about using existing encrypt-root scripts from debian, CPU overhead on / would be important. I think I'll not encrypt / in case something goes bad that it still boots |
| 07:56.45 | karsten | Piratero_: FWIW, Ubuntu 10.04 has 2:1.0~rc3+svn20090426-1ubuntu16, upstream is as of March 27, 2009. |
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| 07:56.54 | Piratero_ | I think the (safest) is to just build my own. |
| 07:57.03 | Piratero_ | Interesting. |
| 07:57.14 | karsten | Piratero_: Are the DEB builds missing features/codecs? |
| 07:57.25 | karsten | frikinz_: Who you callin' old? |
| 07:58.01 | Piratero_ | karsten: Not really. It's just recommended by the MPlayer team to get up to date from SVN. |
| 07:58.03 | frikinz_ | karsten, :) Loop, who did you think of? |
| 07:58.06 | SparFux1 | frikinz_: I am using luks cryptoroot for years now, don't know exactly how long. There never have been any problems, even on crash and hardware failure. The only problem in the beginning was, that I had to create a luks-enabled rescue disk for recovering back in the old days. |
| 07:58.41 | karsten | Piratero_: I've had no problems with stock installs. |
| 07:58.46 | Piratero_ | OK. |
| 07:58.50 | karsten | frikinz_: Good answer. |
| 07:59.06 | Piratero_ | Well, I'll take the (easy) route and go with building from unstable/Sid. |
| 07:59.11 | karsten | calls it a night. |
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| 07:59.27 | Piratero_ | Thanks karsten. |
| 07:59.32 | frikinz_ | Most fun will be to do it without so many spare partitions and without loosing too much datas :) |
| 07:59.47 | Arafangion | frikinz_: You have backups anyway. :) |
| 07:59.54 | Arafangion | frikinz_: (urely) |
| 07:59.58 | Arafangion | *Surely |
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| 08:02.55 | frikinz_ | Arafangion, running out of disk space.. most are on external drives yes. Other things are in git. |
| 08:06.18 | frikinz_ | thanks, I will experiment :) |
| 08:06.26 | lilith | I'll have a loook at the cloning procedure tomorrow. Good night guys |
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| 08:16.34 | Jfdshgsdd | http://www.lostworlds.lv/go.php?1139757287 |
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| 08:22.56 | lmaowaffle | greenmang0: nope |
| 08:23.06 | lmaowaffle | greenmang0: it then proceeds to error out with: update-alternatives: error: unable to make /usr/share/icons/gnome/16x16/places/start-here.png.dpkg-tmp a symlink to /etc/alternatives/start-here-16.png: No such file or directory |
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| 08:23.37 | lmaowaffle | i don't know why gnome-colors-common creates both /usr/share/icons/gnome-colors and /usr/share/icons/gnome |
| 08:23.45 | trupheenix | i keep getting this error with initramfs |
| 08:23.46 | trupheenix | update-initramfs: failed for /boot/initrd.img-2.6.32-5-686 |
| 08:23.46 | trupheenix | dpkg: error processing initramfs-tools (--configure): |
| 08:23.47 | dpkg | trupheenix: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
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| 08:24.33 | trupheenix | i keep getting errors with initramfs http://pastebin.ca/1886288 |
| 08:24.43 | trupheenix | any idea how to fix it? i was trying to restore my system |
| 08:25.46 | lmaowaffle | trupheenix: does /var/log/dpkg.log show a more verbose error? |
| 08:26.07 | lmaowaffle | trupheenix: what do you mean by 'restore my system' |
| 08:26.38 | trupheenix | lmaowaffle, ok let me check |
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| 08:27.10 | greenmang0 | lmaowaffle: how about putting a random png image and creating symlink manually? |
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| 08:27.27 | kaushal | hi |
| 08:27.30 | trupheenix | lmaowaffle, http://pastebin.ca/1886289 |
| 08:27.50 | lmaowaffle | greenmang0: that's what i did. i've a feeling it will generate the error for different symlinks each time one has been 'fixed' |
| 08:28.02 | lmaowaffle | no bugs reported for it either |
| 08:28.07 | greenmang0 | lmaowaffle: hehe |
| 08:28.15 | greenmang0 | lmaowaffle: hmm |
| 08:29.25 | trupheenix | lmaowaffle, dpkg seems to leave everything half configured |
| 08:29.32 | trupheenix | lmaowaffle, any idea how to circumvent? |
| 08:30.00 | greenmang0 | trupheenix: my guess - you don't have enough space on /boot or /boot mounted readonly?? |
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| 08:30.31 | trupheenix | greenmang0, basically i screwed up my /usr directory. i was building an armel image and by mistake i copied armel files onto it |
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| 08:30.43 | trupheenix | greenmang0, so i booted into a live Ubuntu CD and chrooted my volume |
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| 08:30.57 | vallhalla | could anyone help me to connect to a wifi network from the commandline? using squeeze |
| 08:31.04 | trupheenix | greenmang0, then now i'm trying to restore it using apt-get dselect-upgrade |
| 08:31.56 | greenmang0 | trupheenix: so where's your original /usr stuff?? |
| 08:32.05 | trupheenix | greenmang0, it got overwritten :) |
| 08:32.09 | trupheenix | greenmang0, lol |
| 08:32.20 | trupheenix | greenmang0, so it's a mix of armel and i686 libs |
| 08:32.25 | greenmang0 | trupheenix: i wonder how's your system still running :D |
| 08:32.48 | trupheenix | greenmang0, i booted from a live cd |
| 08:32.56 | trupheenix | greenmang0, now i want to chroot and restore it |
| 08:32.58 | greenmang0 | trupheenix: oops... i missed that |
| 08:33.21 | greenmang0 | trupheenix: apt-get install -f |
| 08:33.34 | greenmang0 | trupheenix: dpkg --configure -a |
| 08:33.49 | greenmang0 | trupheenix: 2 commands back to back may solve your problem |
| 08:34.36 | trupheenix | greenmang0, i mounted yea but it consistently gets stuck on initramfs |
| 08:34.44 | greenmang0 | trupheenix: but you are in chroot environment... and apt-get is located in /usr/bin/apt-get |
| 08:34.57 | trupheenix | greenmang0, yea |
| 08:35.45 | greenmang0 | trupheenix: are you sure you have enough space on /boot ? |
| 08:35.57 | greenmang0 | trupheenix: or it is not mounted read only |
| 08:36.08 | greenmang0 | trupheenix: or it is not mouted at all since you are in chroot |
| 08:36.10 | greenmang0 | ?? |
| 08:36.34 | trupheenix | greenmang0, there is enough space on boot |
| 08:36.41 | trupheenix | greenmang0, it's on the same partition as the chroot |
| 08:36.57 | greenmang0 | trupheenix: ok... so you don't have separate /boot partition |
| 08:37.12 | trupheenix | greenmang0, wait a minute are u asking me to bind the boot of the live cd to the boot on the chroot? |
| 08:37.26 | trupheenix | greenmang0, because i haven't done that |
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| 08:38.17 | greenmang0 | trupheenix: not sure, but i guess it's not necessary |
| 08:38.17 | trupheenix | greenmang0, ah now i remember we should bind /proc /dev and /boot |
| 08:38.23 | trupheenix | greenmang0, it is it is |
| 08:38.28 | trupheenix | greenmang0, otherwise it can screw up |
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| 08:38.33 | greenmang0 | trupheenix: no ... just /proc and /dev |
| 08:38.42 | trupheenix | greenmang0, ok |
| 08:38.49 | trupheenix | i had only done /dev not /proc |
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| 08:40.42 | greenmang0 | trupheenix: no problem |
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| 08:41.39 | greenmang0 | trupheenix: http://paste.debian.net/77992/ |
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| 08:42.54 | trupheenix | i keep getting this |
| 08:42.57 | trupheenix | cp: cannot stat `/lib/udev/rules.d/60-cdrom_id.rules': No such file or directory |
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| 08:43.09 | trupheenix | when i do dpkg -i initramfs....deb |
| 08:43.58 | jimcooncat | I can use the following line to mount my work computer's home directory, but how do I mount it read-only? sshfs work: ~/mnt/work |
| 08:44.57 | greenmang0 | trupheenix: hmm |
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| 08:45.37 | gen0cide | Hey, lately my wifi speeds have been really slow |
| 08:45.52 | gen0cide | from 1 to 24 mbps, im useing madwifi |
| 08:45.55 | trupheenix | greenmang0, :) any ideas on this? |
| 08:46.16 | gen0cide | Im using shorewall to ip forward and masquerde eth1 to ath0 could this be causing it |
| 08:47.31 | krynr | jimcooncat: it's same as with mount, see man sshfs |
| 08:47.37 | greenmang0 | trupheenix: how about copying 60-cdrom_id.rules of livecd to the directory on HDD? |
| 08:47.51 | trupheenix | hmmm |
| 08:48.22 | trupheenix | greenmang0, bleh this was so easy !! me #fail |
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| 08:49.13 | greenmang0 | trupheenix: it worked?? |
| 08:49.38 | jimcooncat | krynr: I looked again there, it's not obvious to me |
| 08:49.41 | pfui | when is squeeze going to be released? |
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| 08:50.14 | greenmang0 | !tell me about squeeze |
| 08:50.24 | greenmang0 | !squeeze |
| 08:50.25 | dpkg | Squeeze is the codename for the next release, Debian GNU/Linux 6.0. It is the three-eyed space alien. Check http://www.debian.org/News/ for current status and ask me about <testing>. Not to be confused with the <Xfce> archive manager. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSqueeze . See also <squeeze kernel>. |
| 08:50.37 | trupheenix | greenmang0, nope :-| |
| 08:50.38 | pfui | any ETA? |
| 08:50.51 | trupheenix | greenmang0, i think i'll just install the live cd and be done |
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| 08:50.57 | jimcooncat | krynr: maybe with -o umask=M? sorry to be so noobish on this |
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| 08:51.47 | greenmang0 | trupheenix: hehe, that will solve all problems |
| 08:52.02 | greenmang0 | pfui: no idea |
| 08:52.04 | krynr | jimcooncat: you can give mountoptions to sshfs via -o <options>, you find the available options in mounts man page. (it's ro, btw.) |
| 08:52.09 | trupheenix | greenmang0, yea but i don't have a live sid installer. |
| 08:52.19 | trupheenix | greenmang0, i forgot how to make a sid usb stick :-| |
| 08:52.26 | trupheenix | greenmang0, can't find anything useful online |
| 08:52.38 | gen0cide | what could be causing my wifi to drop, could ip masquerading and ip forwarding cause that? |
| 08:53.01 | jimcooncat | thanks krynr, that worked! |
| 08:53.03 | trupheenix | greenmang0, lucid lynx is nice |
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| 08:55.18 | greenmang0 | trupheenix: i am using it :) |
| 08:55.18 | greenmang0 | trupheenix: http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/main/installer-i386/current/images/ |
| 08:55.25 | trupheenix | greenmang0, ok so how do i make a live usb stick? |
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| 08:58.13 | greenmang0 | trupheenix: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03.html.en |
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| 09:03.17 | trupheenix | greenmang0, jumping to ubuntu lucid lynx. i think i can still have fun |
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| 09:06.00 | trupheenix | greenmang0, alas this was one problem i couldn't fix. :( enjoyed sid while it lasted |
| 09:06.21 | outlaw84 | So does anyone know why flash was broken for amd64 recently? |
| 09:06.47 | trupheenix | outlaw84, because Adobe was too lazy to fix it :P |
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| 09:07.47 | outlaw84 | trupheenix: that does not feel like the whole truth, I had it installed and running fine for a long, that I did a dist-upgrade yesterday and *poff* no flash for me |
| 09:08.45 | outlaw84 | Now I can't find the old package. And nswraper gives me trouble when trying to install the 32-bit version |
| 09:08.45 | trupheenix | outlaw84, hahahahahaa |
| 09:08.54 | trupheenix | outlaw84, u know there is a vulnerability on flash? |
| 09:09.03 | trupheenix | outlaw84, that's why it went poof |
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| 09:09.14 | trupheenix | outlaw84, adobe stopped supporting 64 bit flash on Linux |
| 09:09.47 | outlaw84 | trupheenix: and so it was forcefully removed for all users? |
| 09:09.57 | trupheenix | outlaw84, yes because of security flaw |
| 09:10.07 | trupheenix | outlaw84, if u have the .deb lying around somewhere |
| 09:10.11 | trupheenix | outlaw84, u can install it |
| 09:10.15 | trupheenix | and use it at ur own risk |
| 09:10.16 | trupheenix | hahaha |
| 09:10.17 | outlaw84 | *signs* |
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| 09:11.39 | outlaw84 | So I tried to install the 32-bit version with nswraper but keep gething "*** NSPlugin Viewer *** ERROR: libssl3.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" even tho libssl3 is indeed installed |
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| 09:13.06 | krssup | hi |
| 09:13.17 | krssup | is it safe to use ionice ? |
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| 09:14.25 | krynr | krssup: why shouldn't it be? |
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| 09:14.48 | Bushmills | outlaw84: check /etc/ls.so.conf and run ldconfig |
| 09:15.03 | Bushmills | ld.so.conf |
| 09:15.04 | krssup | krynr, I have a situation wherein the logrotate leads to high load |
| 09:15.16 | krssup | and high wa |
| 09:15.35 | krssup | since the amount of file size is very high |
| 09:15.37 | Bushmills | krssup: increase rotation frequency on that particular file |
| 09:15.57 | Bushmills | i.e rotate when file reaches certain size, or do more frequently |
| 09:16.23 | krssup | I dont use compress method |
| 09:17.05 | krssup | i got to know http://friedcpu.wordpress.com/2007/07/17/why-arent-you-using-ionice-yet/ |
| 09:17.10 | laust | Hi everyone.. I've installed kernel-image 2.6.32-5-amd64. When I'm on it, my iwlagn 4965 card gets crazy: it tries to associate, sometimes it says "ASSOCIATED" but there seems to be a handshake problem.. Can anyone help? |
| 09:17.23 | krssup | so in that article he suggested ionice -c3 |
| 09:17.36 | krssup | so just wondering is it safe to use it |
| 09:19.47 | krssup | Bushmills, please suggest |
| 09:19.52 | krynr | krssup: ionice is safe, however if you just put it in a script that comes from debian, then it might be overwritte on upgrade |
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| 09:20.43 | krssup | krynr, do you have my context ? |
| 09:20.49 | outlaw84 | Bushmills: check em for what? |
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| 09:21.12 | krynr | krssup: I guess not, if you have to ask. :-{ |
| 09:21.50 | krssup | basically I have huge files to be logroated every night which leads to high iowait and load |
| 09:22.01 | krssup | due to logrotation activity |
| 09:22.15 | krssup | i got to know about ionice |
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| 09:22.45 | krssup | so i want to copy the log files *slower* to have a less noticeable impact. |
| 09:23.27 | zcat[1] | !info trickle |
| 09:23.55 | dpkg | trickle: (user-space bandwidth shaper), section net, is optional. Version: 1.07-9 (sid), Packaged size: 36 kB, Installed size: 156 kB |
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| 09:24.49 | zcat[1] | don't know what ionice does, I presume it's imilar. I've used trickle in the past though for the same job |
| 09:24.57 | jelly-home | krssup: ionice seems to only manage read operations so far, that might work out for you |
| 09:25.21 | zcat[1] | similar anyhow; rsync backups of a website without using too much B/W |
| 09:25.54 | jelly-home | krssup: should be pretty safe. In any case, it'll only affect that one process |
| 09:26.02 | krssup | jelly-home, so if i use it as ionice -c3 -p$$ |
| 09:26.07 | zcat[1] | Oh, hang on.. you're rotating logfiles locally.. sorry |
| 09:26.14 | krssup | yes |
| 09:26.48 | krssup | zcat[1], i rotate it on the same host |
| 09:27.31 | krssup | http://fpaste.org/0aGB/ |
| 09:27.50 | krssup | jelly-home, is that a good pratice ? |
| 09:27.56 | krssup | practice |
| 09:28.14 | krynr | krssup: I use it for my backup and it works fine |
| 09:28.41 | krssup | krynr, how do you use it |
| 09:28.41 | krynr | however, I'm wondering if that load could be lessend |
| 09:28.48 | jelly-home | krssup: why not ionice -c3 logrotate ... |
| 09:28.57 | krynr | krssup: like that |
| 09:29.31 | krssup | jelly-home, ok |
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| 09:30.25 | krssup | jelly-home, ionice -c3 /usr/sbin/logrotate /usr/local/bin/scripts/logrotate-tomcat1-catalina.conf > /tmp/tomcat1.log 2>&1 |
| 09:30.30 | krssup | is that correct ? |
| 09:30.44 | jelly-home | right |
| 09:31.17 | krssup | so i should not have issues about high load whenever the logroate happens |
| 09:31.19 | krssup | ? |
| 09:31.37 | jelly-home | you're going to see what happens tomorrow |
| 09:31.57 | krssup | jelly-home, bit cautious |
| 09:32.06 | krssup | since its a production host |
| 09:32.48 | jelly-home | idle class might make a process starve if there's constant io on that device |
| 09:33.07 | krynr | krssup: I'm not so sure about what logrotate really does. but IMHO it should just move the files and not copy them |
| 09:33.41 | jelly-home | it does some renaming and compression |
| 09:33.43 | krssup | krynr, i use copytruncate |
| 09:33.55 | krynr | ah okay |
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| 09:34.10 | krynr | can you work around that? |
| 09:34.28 | krssup | krynr, work around ? |
| 09:34.37 | krssup | i didnot understand |
| 09:34.43 | krynr | krssup: yes, by not using copytruncate |
| 09:35.05 | krynr | krssup: it's for broken daemons |
| 09:35.20 | jelly-home | krssup: oh that's ugly, consider configuring your tomcat ot use daily log files |
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| 09:36.07 | krssup | jelly-home, shall i pastebin the logrotate config ? |
| 09:38.00 | jelly-home | krssup: I'm suggesting reconfiguration of tomcat to generate nicer logs. http://wiki.apache.org/tomcat/FAQ/Logging |
| 09:38.07 | krssup | ok |
| 09:38.08 | krssup | http://fpaste.org/M0ck/ |
| 09:38.32 | jelly-home | copytruncate is a hack. |
| 09:39.34 | jelly-home | you'll want to avoid it if you can, and if you have huge catalina.log, something is wrong with your app anyway ;-) |
| 09:40.01 | krssup | jelly-home, understood |
| 09:40.34 | krssup | so as a workaround i can make use of ionice -c3 ? |
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| 09:40.43 | krssup | that should be ok ? |
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| 09:40.53 | krssup | and then observe it |
| 09:41.54 | jelly-home | yeah. we can't possibly know if that's going to work out for you in advance |
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| 09:42.06 | jelly-home | it might be too slow |
| 09:42.08 | krynr | krssup: from the manpage: Note that there is a very small time slice between copying the file and truncatâing it, so some logging data might be lost. |
| 09:42.21 | krssup | yes thats ok with me |
| 09:42.25 | krynr | you would be increasing that time slice |
| 09:42.40 | krssup | krynr, how ? |
| 09:42.53 | krynr | krssup: be using ionice i mean |
| 09:43.23 | krssup | jelly-home, you said it might be too slow ? |
| 09:43.30 | krssup | what does that mean ? |
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| 09:44.49 | jelly-home | krssup: logrotate process might be stalled by other io and take excessive amount of time to finish |
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| 09:48.29 | jelly-home | so you might have to tune ionice parameters if that happens |
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| 09:54.32 | bolt | is ionice even in debian? apt-cache search doesn't find anything :/ |
| 09:55.12 | krynr | bolt: it's in util-linux |
| 09:55.38 | bolt | ah |
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| 10:01.58 | Arafangion | bolt: I think apt-file can find it. |
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| 10:12.01 | MooseMorals | can I validate a new sources.list before using it? (to check for typo's etc)? |
| 10:12.42 | jimcooncat | I currently have a pxeboot setup for ubuntu; where do I go to add debian-installer (amd64) to my tftpboot directory? |
| 10:13.01 | rudi_s | MooseMorals: Just run aptitude update, it will tell you if something is wrong. |
| 10:13.18 | MooseMorals | but if I want to check it before running update? |
| 10:13.36 | jpinx-eeepc | MooseMorals: do aptitude -s update |
| 10:14.08 | jpinx-eeepc | that simulates and will show you what will happen |
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| 10:15.05 | MooseMorals | Hmm, so I still have to replace my existing sources.list - can I get aptitude to check a sources.list for validity before I overwrite the one in /etc/apt? |
| 10:15.25 | jimcooncat | I'd like something I can wget then unpack |
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| 10:16.10 | jpinx-eeepc | MooseMorals: backup the old one |
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| 10:17.08 | MooseMorals | OK, thanks |
| 10:17.18 | MooseMorals | was hopeing for something more paranoid than that |
| 10:17.50 | wkD | I just installed windows on /dev/hda3 and want to modify grub2 to boot it but there is no /boot/grub/menu.lst file, how do I add a menu entry? |
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| 10:18.38 | jpinx-eeepc | wkD: dunno in grub2, but maybe run grub-update |
| 10:19.08 | jimcooncat | I think I found it |
| 10:19.26 | wkD | update-grub... :) |
| 10:19.39 | jpinx-eeepc | wkD: ;) |
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| 10:20.10 | wkD | I was trying to do a manual entry by 11_Windows in /etc/grub.d/ and then update-grub but turns out I did not even need the 11_Windows entry |
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| 10:20.29 | wkD | thanks for the input :) |
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| 10:37.44 | greenmang0 | where can i find the information regarding "/etc/network/if-up.d" directory? |
| 10:38.00 | greenmang0 | !if-up.d |
| 10:38.26 | greenmang0 | !ifup |
| 10:38.33 | jpinx-eeepc | !network |
| 10:38.34 | dpkg | This refers to a group of interconnected computers. The computers must be capable of transferring data to form a true network--you can't just weld a bunch of computers together. For resources, ask me about <networking>. |
| 10:38.42 | jpinx-eeepc | !networking |
| 10:38.42 | dpkg | For basic networking, "man interfaces", see http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration and http://www.debian-administration.org/article/An_introduction_to_Debian_networking_setup . Also ask me about <interfaces>. |
| 10:38.51 | jpinx-eeepc | greenmang0: etc ;) |
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| 10:40.03 | greenmang0 | jpinx-eeepc: thanks to dpkg :P |
| 10:40.27 | jpinx-eeepc | dpkg: thanks |
| 10:40.28 | dpkg | jpinx-eeepc: no worries |
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| 11:03.38 | tdn | How can I set up a sound server, so that I can stream sound from programs like mplayer on the clients and then stream the sound to the server, who will then output the sound via its sound card? |
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| 11:04.58 | xingu | tdn: pulseaudio can do that - offer up an alsa output which is in fact an rtp stream. |
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| 11:05.54 | tdn | xingu, ok, what do I need to do on the server? |
| 11:06.02 | tdn | xingu, I am using lenny. |
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| 11:10.40 | xingu | tdn: I don't really have the time to step by step it; the key pieces are module-alsa-sink and module-rtp-send |
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| 11:12.34 | tdn | xingu, ok. Thanks. |
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| 11:15.42 | tdn | xingu, do you have any leads to what I should be Googling for? I have tried googling the modules you mentioned, but I cannot seem to find anything useful. |
| 11:16.31 | xingu | tdn: http://www.pulseaudio.org/wiki/FAQ#HowcanIusePulseAudiotostreammusicfrommymainPCtomyLANwithmultiplePCswithspeakers |
| 11:16.40 | xingu | tdn: :) |
| 11:16.50 | tdn | xingu, thanks. |
| 11:17.56 | tdn | xingu, hmm... Bu twhat are the lines in that FAQ? Shell commands? |
| 11:18.05 | tdn | Or part of a configuration file? |
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| 11:23.18 | krssup | jelly-home, hi again |
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| 11:24.05 | krssup | what happens for the other program which has asked for disk IO during this period ? |
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| 11:26.59 | Waxhead | is there some way I can force install linux-image-2.6.32-5-686 using aptitude without aptitude attempting to fix (a lot) of broken packages ? |
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| 11:27.40 | bzed | Waxhead: download it only, then dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/.....linux-image...deb |
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| 11:27.52 | Karlita | Hello everyone! I really really really reallyy!!! need some help! |
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| 11:27.59 | bzed | !ask |
| 11:28.00 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 11:28.09 | Karlita | I am sharing a seedbox with a friend. The stupid guy deleted a folder that belongs to my friend |
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| 11:28.22 | Karlita | it's her "Lifework" with pictures, stuff for her work, you name it put there as a backup |
| 11:28.27 | bzed | what the hell is a seedbox |
| 11:28.30 | Karlita | Is there ANY way to retrieve it? |
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| 11:28.33 | Waxhead | bzed: ok |
| 11:28.48 | MeglaW | bzed: dedicated torrent computer |
| 11:28.50 | Karlita | Its a box that you rent with fast up/downstreeam |
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| 11:29.08 | Karlita | Are there any recovery tools for debian? |
| 11:29.15 | bzed | !undelete |
| 11:29.15 | dpkg | Linux doesn't generally support 'undeleting' files. For ext2fs *only*, use mc (Midnight Commander), umount the fs, and select "Undelete files" from menu. For ext3fs, see http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/undelete_ext3.html and ask me about <ext3grep>. With reiserfs, jfs, xfs, you're SooL. Some desktops (GNOME/KDE) offer a trash bin. See also <photorec>. |
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| 11:29.59 | bzed | Karlita: if its only photos, shutd won the computer and give the tools from testdisk a try |
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| 11:30.18 | bzed | Karlita: the other option is to go to a specialized company and pay $$$$ |
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| 11:30.48 | Karlita | bzed: Well i am renting the box, its in france, am in sweden, so that wont do it. Damn! and no its files other then pictures |
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| 11:31.00 | bzed | Karlita: the first thing you should do in any case is to shut down th ebox. |
| 11:31.16 | bzed | Karlita: a soon as other files are on the space where the lost files were, they're definitely gone forever |
| 11:31.43 | Karlita | bzed: Oh ok. But what todo next? I am not familiar with linux at all |
| 11:31.46 | djura-san | o/ |
| 11:32.47 | bzed | Karlita: find somebody who is and probably lives close to the harddisk of the box ;) or find a different way to save the data the testdisk tools produce |
| 11:33.05 | Karlita | ok thnx |
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| 11:33.57 | eni23 | hello everyone. does someone knows what the right permissions are for /var/mail ? |
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| 11:34.09 | Tobias| | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/HowTo/InstallUsingStandardInstaller |
| 11:34.25 | Tobias| | Could somebody edit that to say instead of "Use DAEMON Tools, Virtual CloneDrive, MagicISO, Alcohol 52%, or whatever to mount the boot.img file" just to extract it using 7-zip? |
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| 11:34.54 | Tobias| | It says to use 7-zip in the step right before it, but it can accomplish both steps |
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| 11:36.22 | eni23 | i need to know the right permissions for /var/mail and if i create a folder in it with "root" what i have to do, that dovecot can read it |
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| 11:39.52 | greenmang0 | eni23: create a user on your system and make /var/mail/somefolder owned by that user, and make dovecot member of the group of that user |
| 11:41.02 | eni23 | greenmang0: the problem is that i autentificate the user via pam-winbind. the user is not on the system itself |
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| 11:43.00 | eni23 | i create the /var/mail/$someuser -dirs with a script |
| 11:43.08 | greenmang0 | eni23: there has to be only one unix user who has limited rights to access /var/mail/somemaildir |
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| 11:43.30 | greenmang0 | eni23: and other users who use mailing system should be virtual |
| 11:43.51 | greenmang0 | eni23: so that you get more security since those users can not login to your system |
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| 11:44.57 | eni23 | does this work with the mail-user? |
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| 11:45.49 | krssup | jelly-home, you around ? |
| 11:46.07 | greenmang0 | eni23: yeah talking about mail users only |
| 11:46.55 | krssup | can some one please guide me about my query ? |
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| 11:48.34 | bzed | !ask krssup |
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| 11:48.40 | bzed | !ask |
| 11:48.41 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 11:49.04 | krssup | I have set ionice -c3 for logrotate application,what happens when the other program which has asked for disk IO during this period ? |
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| 11:49.51 | bzed | krssup: it will be preferred by the io scheduler |
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| 11:50.26 | bzed | krssup: read the ionice manpage |
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| 11:50.56 | krssup | bzed, so it means the program ? |
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| 11:51.22 | krssup | program will be preferred by the io scheduler |
| 11:51.41 | krssup | I have read the manpage of ionice |
| 11:51.53 | krssup | still not understood |
| 11:51.55 | bzed | krssup: what don't you understand then? |
| 11:52.39 | bzed | krssup: your logrotate wil lonly get io time when no other program asked for it within a grace period. |
| 11:53.27 | krssup | bzed, if for example java program requests for iotime ? |
| 11:53.41 | krssup | during the grace period |
| 11:54.09 | bzed | it will get its io time and your logrotate has to wait |
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| 11:54.58 | krssup | bzed, ok |
| 11:55.08 | bzed | krssup: although I would not run logrotate with ionice, you might run into funny results as logrotate restarts processes and chances are good that they get the ionice settings from your logrotate |
| 11:55.41 | bzed | krssup: you might have some daemons running with ionice at the end ;) at least thse which are restarted by logrotate |
| 11:56.10 | krssup | I dont have any daemon which are restarted by logrotate |
| 11:56.36 | krssup | I have just put /usr/bin/ionice -c3 logrotate ........ |
| 11:56.44 | krssup | in the shell script |
| 11:57.04 | bzed | krssup: and there is no restart mentioned in /etc/logrotate.d ? |
| 11:57.09 | krssup | nope |
| 11:57.27 | krssup | I am calling the shell script from the cron |
| 11:57.54 | bzed | why are you doing that manually? |
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| 11:58.03 | bzed | logrotate is run automatically by cron |
| 11:58.24 | bzed | krssup: /etc/cron.daily/logrotate |
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| 11:59.04 | krssup | bzed, ok |
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| 11:59.53 | krssup | but it should be fine if i use ionice -c3 option ? |
| 12:00.48 | bzed | as I said - be careful, everything that will be started or restarted from logrotate will run with that setting then |
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| 12:07.07 | smv | anyone using a winfast tv 2000 tvtuner with sound on the aux port? |
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| 12:08.14 | jpinx-eeepc | !crossposting |
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| 12:23.13 | dadhome | hello all,I have a question..when I download ispconfig3 ..I extract it but when I try to install it with php -q install it seems that it doesn`t exist the command on bash..how do I install it? |
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| 12:23.52 | jpinx-eeepc | dadhome: what is your operating system? |
| 12:23.59 | dadhome | debian lenny |
| 12:24.08 | jpinx-eeepc | dadhome: use aptitude |
| 12:24.18 | jpinx-eeepc | or synaptic if you use a gui |
| 12:24.27 | dadhome | I don`t use a gui |
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| 12:24.54 | dadhome | is not working..maybe I didn`t use it right |
| 12:24.55 | jpinx-eeepc | dadhome: go with aptitude install then |
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| 12:25.31 | jpinx-eeepc | ,versions ispconfig3 |
| 12:25.32 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'ispconfig3' was found. |
| 12:25.48 | jpinx-eeepc | dadhome: check the package name first ;) |
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| 12:25.58 | konr | Is there a way to install a package manager for a single user? I'm kinda locked with my university's outdated packages :( |
| 12:26.31 | dadhome | but I have downloaded it..if I search for a package with the name ispconfig nothing appear |
| 12:27.23 | jpinx-eeepc | konr: I am not certain, but I think all packages are installed system wide annd you can only control things by restricting users shells or whatever |
| 12:27.23 | jpinx-eeepc | dadhome: then it is not a package |
| 12:27.48 | jpinx-eeepc | dadhome: what exactly did you download and where from ? |
| 12:27.49 | dadhome | ok, what should I do? |
| 12:28.28 | jpinx-eeepc | dadhome: it'd help if I knew what this "software" is meant to be doing ;) |
| 12:28.33 | dadhome | ispconfig 3 from here http://downloads.sourceforge.net/ispconfig/ISPConfig-3.0.2.1.tar.gz?use_mirror= |
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| 12:28.41 | dadhome | I already said that is ispconfig |
| 12:28.41 | dadhome | ... |
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| 12:28.45 | Arafangion | Packages installed using apt is system wide. |
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| 12:28.52 | jpinx-eeepc | ,versions ispconfig |
| 12:28.53 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'ispconfig' was found. |
| 12:28.55 | dadhome | in the first sentence |
| 12:29.05 | dadhome | I know that |
| 12:29.10 | Arafangion | However, you can compile or otherwise manually install packages with a PREFIX set to the user's home directory for a per-user installation. |
| 12:29.11 | dadhome | I searched too that`s I downloaded it |
| 12:29.29 | jpinx-eeepc | dadhome: you will have to compile that yourself |
| 12:29.43 | Arafangion | That user may need some more configuration to keep the dynamic loader happy, etc, and will find ~/bin, ~/lib, etcetera. |
| 12:30.01 | dadhome | ok..can you guide me? |
| 12:30.34 | Arafangion | No, sorry. :( I don't have time to do research. Just regurgitating what little I remember. |
| 12:30.37 | jpinx-eeepc | dadhome: beyond me dude - I use aptitude install ;) |
| 12:31.24 | jpinx-eeepc | Arafangion: that per-user thing sounds very cool - I'm goingg to play with something simple like vlc and see what happens |
| 12:31.31 | Arafangion | dadhome: Sometimes it is as simple as setting PREFIX=/home/dadhome, however sometimes additional tricks are needed, especially if you install libraries as well that need more configuration of the dynamic loader. |
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| 12:32.01 | dadhome | I founded the solutions..thank guys |
| 12:32.17 | jpinx-eeepc | what was the solution? dadhome |
| 12:32.25 | Arafangion | jpinx-eeepc: In your case, you may prefer simply using chroot. |
| 12:32.42 | jpinx-eeepc | dadhome: in here we share solutions ;) |
| 12:32.45 | dadhome | http://www.ispconfig.org/docs/INSTALL_DEBIAN_4.0.txt |
| 12:32.49 | dadhome | :)) |
| 12:32.53 | dadhome | I just founded it |
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| 12:33.02 | jpinx-eeepc | dadhome: cool :) |
| 12:33.04 | rgammans | Anyone know anything about eclipse plugins ? I can't get subversive (an SVN plugin ) in properly |
| 12:33.10 | dadhome | but still php -q install.php isn`t working..I will read carefully |
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| 12:34.08 | Arafangion | rgammans: That's not really related to #debian. |
| 12:34.14 | jpinx-eeepc | Arafangion: my case might be a multi-user system, so restricting software per-user might be essential |
| 12:34.29 | jpinx-eeepc | Arafangion: the alternative is vboxes for each user... |
| 12:35.05 | Arafangion | jpinx-eeepc: You could always simply install to /usr/local, which is (usually but not always!) the default for source installations (if the source is well-behaved). |
| 12:35.07 | rgammans | Arafangion: Depends, a colleague had problems obnly with the debian pakg'd version of eclipse |
| 12:35.18 | Arafangion | jpinx-eeepc: And then use unix permissions to set the executable bit. |
| 12:35.29 | Arafangion | jpinx-eeepc: (Or even read access) |
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| 12:35.53 | jpinx-eeepc | Arafangion: I wondered if permissions could do it - I'll need to look more closely - thanks for the pointers :) |
| 12:36.49 | Arafangion | jpinx-eeepc: Just pick the solution that reduces future maintenance. :) Keep in mind you have the option of using traditional (you could make a 'vlc-users' group and add users to that, for example), or more "modern" ACL's, which I've never seen the point of. |
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| 12:37.12 | Arafangion | ACL's being far more flexible... But also more complex. |
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| 12:39.27 | Kasreyn | anyone good with alsa? if i test with aplay -D hw:0,1 i get sound. sadly mplayer -ao alsa:device=hw=0.1 doesn't do the same. what's wrong? |
| 12:40.04 | Arafangion | never bothers with alsa... Or any other sound system. :) |
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| 12:45.03 | dadhome | I founded out the problem |
| 12:45.14 | dadhome | the problem was that I didn`t hd all the php modules installed |
| 12:45.15 | dadhome | :) |
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| 12:47.14 | Ikarus | jpinx-eeepc: I wouldn't deem restricting software per user essential, aslong as it doesn't clutter their UIs |
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| 13:05.55 | Saliven | hi... i decided to install debian stable, then upgrade to testing and then to sid... the only problem is, stable has no support for ext4 partition and i want ext4 for sid. is there any safe way to convert existing ext3 partition with debian to ext4? thx for any help |
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| 13:09.03 | smv | Saliven, i guess you should read https://ext4.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Ext4_Howto#Converting_an_ext3_filesystem_to_ext4 |
| 13:09.28 | pkkm | `uname -a` tells me that my architecture is i686. What netinst image should I use? |
| 13:09.45 | ham5 | 32bit |
| 13:10.15 | pkkm | i386? |
| 13:11.05 | ham5 | that'll work |
| 13:11.40 | smv | but if your processor is 64bit capable you could use amd64 |
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| 13:12.14 | xand | pkkm: better to look at /proc/cpuinfo |
| 13:12.24 | xand | what CPU model? |
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| 13:13.00 | Spiral_ | Hello everyone. I am using debain and a ftp software. I am wondering, how do I change the ftp password? |
| 13:13.20 | Spiral_ | I'm using a rented server.. and I am not familiar with linux |
| 13:14.06 | Spiral_ | seems to be vsftp |
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| 13:18.06 | ham5 | um.......... change the user password |
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| 13:19.05 | ali_ | hello people |
| 13:19.09 | ali_ | i have a question |
| 13:19.31 | Spiral_ | !ask |
| 13:19.31 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 13:19.56 | ali_ | I have a problem with connecting to a svn folder to checkout |
| 13:20.03 | ali_ | can I have a decent application to help me with so |
| 13:21.30 | bolt | ali_: the applications mostly help with the using of svn |
| 13:21.42 | bolt | ali_: they are likely to actually obscure your connection problems |
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| 13:22.08 | bolt | ali_: by showing a default "could not connect" or something instead of the actual error message and such |
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| 13:23.33 | ali_ | i dont even have a client to test it on :/ |
| 13:23.45 | ali_ | i am trying to checkout the svn of rsbot.org |
| 13:23.49 | ali_ | since i just moved from windows |
| 13:24.07 | ali_ | i got jdk, eclipse, and some other dev tools fine, except the svn |
| 13:24.13 | smv | aptitude install subversion |
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| 13:28.30 | ali_ | this is the error i get |
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| 13:28.37 | ali_ | http://pastie.org/private/twnvhoibhjgskniozzk6mw |
| 13:30.17 | jpinx-eeepc | Ikarus: the need is possibly to restrict some users to browser only and others to non-browser situations |
| 13:31.22 | smv | ali_, before using aptitude or any apt frontend you must become root. if sudo is configured add sudo in front of the command, and enter your password, if not use su - and enter the root pasword. |
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| 13:31.36 | pkkm | xand: model 5, modelname Pentium 2, family 6, MHz 117, fpu yes, cpuid level 2, wp yes, flags fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 mmx fxsr up |
| 13:31.53 | sc | is that your router? |
| 13:31.54 | pkkm | xand: what image should I use? |
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| 13:32.09 | xand | i686 |
| 13:32.14 | pkkm | sc: no, 8 years old computer :D |
| 13:32.18 | sc | o |
| 13:32.44 | pkkm | xand, there are only following images: [alpha][amd64][arm][armel][hppa][i386][ia64][mips][mipsel][powerpc][sparc] |
| 13:33.54 | smv | use i386 |
| 13:33.55 | Caelum | mkntfs won't let me format my raw sd card, and -f doesn't work |
| 13:34.30 | ali_ | thanks guys, i got this to work |
| 13:34.35 | ali_ | cya later |
| 13:34.40 | thrashold | Caelum: What error does it produce? |
| 13:35.03 | Caelum | thrashold: http://paste.scsys.co.uk/45007 |
| 13:35.40 | Caelum | I guess I could partition it |
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| 13:36.09 | smv | use cfdisk /dev/sdc and partition the disc before formating, then use mkntfs /dev/sdc1 |
| 13:36.29 | thrashold | Caelum: -F, not -f. Read the man page :) |
| 13:36.32 | Caelum | smv: yeah but I wanted to not have partitions |
| 13:36.51 | Caelum | thrashold: hah nice, thank you very much |
| 13:36.52 | fabz | Hi, would somebody by any chance a decent link that I could view to remaster a debian live CD, All i really wanna do is just execute a shell script after boot automatically |
| 13:37.47 | Caelum | thrashold: I see -f and it always means the same thing to me |
| 13:37.55 | nsadmin | you actually want ntfs? |
| 13:38.25 | Caelum | seems like a reasonable choice for an sd card |
| 13:38.32 | nsadmin | , file bin/pvscan |
| 13:38.36 | judd | bin/pvscan in lenny/i386: lvm2: sbin/pvscan |
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| 13:38.59 | Caelum | and ntfs-3g is quite good these days |
| 13:39.17 | thrashold | Caelum: -f, --fast, -Q, --quick ; -F, --force |
| 13:39.34 | thrashold | Caelum: At least my man page says that |
| 13:39.34 | salvin_ | when an application is in "hard fullscreen" |
| 13:39.37 | Caelum | thrashold: yup I see that now, thank you |
| 13:39.45 | salvin_ | is there a way to iconify it? |
| 13:39.50 | salvin_ | like in windows? |
| 13:40.20 | thrashold | salvin_: You can switch to another virtual console and kill it :) |
| 13:40.28 | Caelum | salvin_: do you have a "switch to desktop" key like win+d |
| 13:40.55 | salvin_ | thrashold: i know |
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| 13:41.11 | Caelum | salvin_: your wm minimize shortcut should still work too |
| 13:41.16 | nsadmin | I think there ought to be more effort to support linux fses in windows as opposed to being stuck with having to use win filesystems just for sharing files between OSes |
| 13:41.23 | Caelum | salvin_: look at the settings for your wm to configure keybindings |
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| 13:41.59 | Caelum | nsadmin: microsoft charges a lot of money for the fs driver dev kit, that's what I heard last time |
| 13:42.02 | nsadmin | what's the gooey aptitude frontend? |
| 13:42.03 | thrashold | nsadmin: UDF is a good choice, althouhg nothing <Windows 7 does support it properly (and I don't know how this supports it either) |
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| 13:42.17 | salvin_ | Caelum: no, whan a game bypass the wm |
| 13:42.55 | Caelum | salvin_: then there's usually not much you can do, especially if it takes control of the keyboard |
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| 13:43.29 | Caelum | nsadmin: synaptic |
| 13:43.52 | nsadmin | I'll give it a shot, thanks... works well? |
| 13:44.02 | Caelum | nsadmin: there's also gnome-apt |
| 13:44.27 | Caelum | nsadmin: there's not much point to it... but it lets you do neat things like sort by size etc. which is occasionally useful |
| 13:44.47 | nsadmin | I'm not running gnome tho... that would tend to pull in a lot of libs? |
| 13:45.30 | Caelum | nsadmin: not too many, it's not too much trouble to mix gnome/kde/etc apps usually |
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| 13:47.29 | starman | hi everyone |
| 13:47.47 | KaffeeJunky123 | Hi |
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| 13:48.15 | starman | one quick question: Does anybody know if there's an option for dhcpd to bind subnets to (ethernet) interfaces ? E.g. only serve certain IP ranges on a desired network interface? |
| 13:48.23 | starman | I can't find one... |
| 13:48.37 | KaffeeJunky123 | nope |
| 13:48.53 | KaffeeJunky123 | since you're reciving the ip adress from your router device |
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| 13:49.46 | KaffeeJunky123 | but you could set your router to give your networkcard only a specific range of ips, but that's not debian related |
| 13:49.53 | KaffeeJunky123 | expect your router runs debian =) |
| 13:50.04 | starman | Yes |
| 13:50.11 | dutchfish | starman: if your dhcp server does support address reservation you can do that mac based, dhcp server can serve more the one ip nets see docs |
| 13:50.37 | starman | But, I think you get the question wrong. The scenario is that I have a LAN and a WLAN (conntected to a router with 2 NICs) and I want it to serve different subnet (IP ranges) to each of the networks |
| 13:50.55 | dutchfish | starman: you can do that |
| 13:51.43 | starman | If I do it MAC based I would have to configure for each client individually right? I have a lot of clients and don't want that |
| 13:51.53 | nsadmin | probably only one per wire... as dhcp requests are first broadcast on 255.255.255.255 |
| 13:52.19 | dutchfish | starman: subnet 10.0.0.0 netmask 255.0.0.0 { |
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| 13:52.34 | starman | I'd rather have an option for subnet 192.168.0.0/24 { interface eth0; blabla..) and subnet 192.168.1.0/24 {interface wlan0} |
| 13:52.34 | dutchfish | pool { blah } |
| 13:52.37 | nsadmin | so the question multple dhcp servers would have to answer, is "which of us handles this one?" |
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| 13:53.42 | dutchfish | starman: dhcp relaying is something you want to know also if you have to serve through a routed device |
| 13:53.43 | starman | I read somewhere else that DHCPD won't start multiple times |
| 13:53.49 | nsadmin | dutchfish: but having said that, could -one- dhcp server serve multiple ip ranges? how would it know which range to give an IP from? |
| 13:54.02 | dutchfish | nsadmin: yes for sure |
| 13:54.16 | dutchfish | nsadmin: by the pool construct |
| 13:54.47 | dutchfish | nsadmin: for each subnet, that is |
| 13:55.07 | nsadmin | so that's how the ranges/subnets are defined... but when a request comes in, what is the deciding factor as to which range to use? |
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| 13:56.04 | starman | I think the main problem is that dhcpd can bind to multiple interfaces but doesn't provide a means of serving ip ranges based from which interface the dhcp request originated, right? |
| 13:56.08 | dutchfish | nsadmin: i my mem didnt leave me, the GW's subnet is the one that takes presedence if nothing else is dictated (address reservation) |
| 13:56.16 | starman | +based on |
| 13:56.48 | starman | nsadmin: That's a good question :) |
| 13:57.08 | nsadmin | oic, so it would offer an ip in the same subnet a default router is available in |
| 13:57.09 | dutchfish | nsadmin: see option routers x.x.x.x |
| 13:57.28 | dutchfish | nsadmin: more or less, yes |
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| 13:57.29 | starman | Is that right? |
| 13:57.48 | starman | I think I get it now :) |
| 13:57.52 | dutchfish | nsadmin: again, that only if nothing else dictates it |
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| 13:58.18 | dutchfish | (dhcpv3) |
| 13:58.21 | nsadmin | well if you have multiple interfaces... you can define a dhcp pool per interface |
| 13:58.29 | dutchfish | yes |
| 13:58.41 | nsadmin | and in fact you have to do that, some dhcp servers will not start otherwise |
| 13:59.14 | dutchfish | i am not sur eabout that, the one in debian i use, does start |
| 13:59.31 | dutchfish | but you need option router and pool construct |
| 13:59.35 | Zvpun | I am looking for documentation describing /etc/environment and /etc/default/locale. What package is in charge of /etc/default/locale? During update there was a message that LANG should no longer be set in /etc/environmet, I would like to read that message again. What is LANGUAGE="de_DE:de" in /etc/environment should i move LANGUAE=... and LANG= from /etc/environment to /etc/default/local? Is this documentet somewhere? |
| 13:59.37 | nsadmin | if you have ONE subnet per interface, that's the usual case, and then there's no choice |
| 13:59.46 | dutchfish | yep |
| 14:00.01 | KaffeeJunky123 | is there a way to install all debian default installed packages with only one command? |
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| 14:00.24 | starman | Anyway, I think I'll just try it now. Thanks for your quick reply and help, dutchfish, nsadmin and KaffeeJunky123 :-) |
| 14:00.26 | KaffeeJunky123 | don't ask how but I managed to earase a lot of packages that are installed by default, like networkmanager and gnome |
| 14:00.28 | nsadmin | if you have more than one subnet on an interface, then you have all these decisions the dhcpd makes |
| 14:00.29 | starman | Bye |
| 14:00.38 | KaffeeJunky123 | starman: good luck |
| 14:00.42 | starman | Ty |
| 14:00.44 | dutchfish | yw |
| 14:01.11 | nsadmin | upgrades his lenny... to... |
| 14:01.13 | nsadmin | lenny... |
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| 14:02.20 | KaffeeJunky123 | nsadmin: was this some sort of answer to my question :)? |
| 14:02.27 | Zvpun | What is the variable LANGUAGE used for? Can I remove it from /etc/environment? |
| 14:02.32 | nsadmin | mope |
| 14:03.00 | KaffeeJunky123 | oh well I guess I'll just install everything I find missing manually |
| 14:03.17 | KaffeeJunky123 | but I'm not sure if I want network manager back :O |
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| 14:03.29 | nsadmin | the variable LANGUAGE is set to values IGNORE, PUNISH or SHOCKTHESHITOUTOFEM... |
| 14:03.45 | nsadmin | if your system hears you swear... watch out :) |
| 14:03.53 | beardy | Wtf would you remove something you don't know what is it for, how come you want to remove it if you aren't even aware of any negative things of it? |
| 14:04.23 | KaffeeJunky123 | beardy: what is '/' this can I remove it? |
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| 14:04.39 | Ppnis | Guys, can I install a virtual machine without root/sudo here? |
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| 14:04.52 | KaffeeJunky123 | Ppnis: nope |
| 14:05.14 | KaffeeJunky123 | Ppnis: well atleast not one that does use a kernel module |
| 14:05.19 | beardy | Ppnis: No. What would be the reasoning behind it if you could? Learn to create strong passwords. |
| 14:05.39 | Ppnis | KaffeeJunky123:do you think I can create it on windows? |
| 14:05.53 | Ppnis | beardy: well, the limitations I have here suck |
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| 14:06.09 | nsadmin | get a machine :) |
| 14:06.22 | KaffeeJunky123 | Ppnis: get someone who's got root access to install a virtual machine |
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| 14:06.25 | beardy | Ppnis: Oh. I thought you meant without a root account inside the vm. |
| 14:06.31 | KaffeeJunky123 | Ppnis: if you're really in need for one |
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| 14:08.11 | Ppnis | :( |
| 14:08.17 | Ppnis | I'm going to kill myself soon |
| 14:08.59 | nsadmin | that would not seem connected to either your question or topics in #debian... |
| 14:09.44 | nsadmin | also, if you do that and it turns out you become a ghost... won't you be mad you don't have a body anymore? |
| 14:09.47 | KaffeeJunky123 | Ppnis: so you want to get root access on your machine? |
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| 14:10.44 | Ppnis | KaffeeJunky123: actually I just want to install some programs here... I used to do it with Gobo Linux Rootless package |
| 14:10.49 | Ppnis | but it's poorly mantained now |
| 14:10.51 | KaffeeJunky123 | also if you do that and it turns out there's nothing at all after death, won't you be mad? |
| 14:11.15 | Ppnis | KaffeeJunky123: I will be reborn as an Emacs package |
| 14:11.28 | Arafangion | Ppnis: Make sure that your nick is well known first, and registered first, just in case you have issues with your ghost. :) |
| 14:11.39 | KaffeeJunky123 | Ppnis: are you sitting in front of the machine you're working on? |
| 14:11.39 | nsadmin | if there's nothing at all, there will be nothing at all to be mad at... |
| 14:11.52 | Ppnis | KaffeeJunky123: yes |
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| 14:12.04 | KaffeeJunky123 | nsadmin: hell, finally someone who got it =) |
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| 14:12.39 | KaffeeJunky123 | Ppnis: Well, you could just hack the root pw |
| 14:12.46 | nsadmin | so you could get mad at nothing at all... or dismiss it, as being nothing at all... |
| 14:13.02 | KaffeeJunky123 | Ppnis: but depending on who owns that machine that would be illegal |
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| 14:14.08 | nsadmin | who's machine is it? |
| 14:14.48 | Ppnis | nsadmin: my university's :( |
| 14:14.52 | nsadmin | or does it belong to the ghost of the last guy that killed himself over the issue? |
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| 14:15.03 | KaffeeJunky123 | Ppnis: then don't hack it |
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| 14:15.24 | KaffeeJunky123 | nsadmin: a hounted workstation haha |
| 14:15.55 | nsadmin | at -minimum- this could get you kicked out of school... all that work and now, nothing at all... |
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| 14:16.37 | KaffeeJunky123 | nsadmin: he didn't say anything about school but university, it's even worse to get kicked out of university |
| 14:17.04 | KaffeeJunky123 | nsadmin: getting kicked out of school isn't a problem at all, you'll most likely find a new one |
| 14:17.06 | nsadmin | a university is not school? |
| 14:17.28 | qq- | not a 'normal' one |
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| 14:17.31 | KaffeeJunky123 | definitly not |
| 14:17.32 | eptalon | heyas |
| 14:17.41 | nsadmin | crool school that takes the fool and feeds him grool |
| 14:18.06 | eptalon | Is it possible that yesterday's update (to sid) broke grub? |
| 14:18.20 | nsadmin | anything's possible |
| 14:18.47 | KaffeeJunky123 | it's possible that you broke grub =) |
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| 14:18.52 | qq- | even today update .. |
| 14:18.55 | dvs | as long as we don't get the same break like kde in squeeze list weekend. |
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| 14:19.05 | eptalon | Put differently, I get some exception (about an invalid pointer) when I try to boot... |
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| 14:19.37 | Schuenemann | !flash |
| 14:19.38 | dpkg | Flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> or <swfdec> for free implementations, ask about <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. http://wiki.debian.org/Flash |
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| 14:19.46 | nsadmin | what do you see before the exception |
| 14:20.03 | qq- | !tell Schuenemann about selftell |
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| 14:21.00 | eptalon | nsadmin: a "Gub loading..." or similar, running off a live cd atm. |
| 14:21.13 | eptalon | er grub loading.. |
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| 14:21.39 | urbanmonk | hi .. I seem to remember that there is a way to set debian "configuration level" to something more than basic ... so that when you install a package it will ask you more advanced questions ... how do i change the level? |
| 14:21.47 | Caelum | hmm, ktorrent doesn't like ntfs-3g on my sd card |
| 14:21.48 | qq- | eptalon, check bts |
| 14:21.57 | Caelum | 'error: failed to seek...' |
| 14:21.57 | eptalon | nsadmin: the basic question would be about the fastest way to get a running grub again.. |
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| 14:22.34 | jelly-home | eptalon: if you have a working livecd use its own boot loader to boot your normal installation |
| 14:23.15 | Schuenemann | I installed flashplugin-nonfree and removed gnash, but I still have no flash in about:plugins of iceweasel. Using squeeze amd64 |
| 14:23.38 | eptalon | jelly-home: how so? |
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| 14:23.49 | eptalon | jelly-home: as in root=...? |
| 14:23.53 | KaffeeJunky123 | also the livecd comes with a rescue system |
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| 14:24.06 | nsadmin | eptalon: once you get your installation booted by whatever means, you could: try an earlier version of grub... or: compile grub yuourself and try that |
| 14:24.20 | eptalon | nsadmin: good idea. |
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| 14:24.40 | Schuenemann | is APT the best way to install adobe flash in squeeze? I remember I got the .deb in lenny |
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| 14:25.05 | eptalon | ok-, will try |
| 14:25.09 | eptalon | bbl. |
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| 14:26.59 | Saliven | if i choose to continue without mirror during install, will i be able to download packages from archive? |
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| 14:30.00 | nsadmin | Saliven: is your networking set up? |
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| 14:30.38 | vitium | I want to be able to view the the characters inputted when I input a password to log in. How can I do this? By default when I log in it doesn't show me any indicator of characters being inputted. |
| 14:32.32 | Saliven | nsadmin: installing right now so ill set it up when i get to login... btw it is weird that though the install already downloaded some files, all mirrors are unreachable by it... |
| 14:33.33 | Saliven | and now it is downloading again... |
| 14:33.51 | Saliven | 50/681 files right now |
| 14:33.53 | nsadmin | from the cd? from the net? |
| 14:34.08 | Saliven | downloading from net i suppose |
| 14:34.34 | nsadmin | so it's probably installing the base |
| 14:34.48 | Saliven | yeah i am installing from 1st cd of the set |
| 14:34.49 | nsadmin | or pulling in more of itself |
| 14:35.30 | Saliven | testing |
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| 14:37.12 | Schuenemann | please, how to I install adobe flash in squeeze amd64? |
| 14:37.26 | jpinx-eeepc | !flash |
| 14:37.27 | dpkg | Flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> or <swfdec> for free implementations, ask about <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. http://wiki.debian.org/Flash |
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| 14:37.52 | Schuenemann | I tried that. Installed flashplugin-nonfree, removed gnash. Still nothing |
| 14:38.10 | jpinx-eeepc | Schuenemann: not sure about your particular architecture though |
| 14:38.22 | qq- | Schuenemann, seems flash for amd64 is borked |
| 14:38.35 | jpinx-eeepc | Schuenemann: did you look at the linked page int he factoid? |
| 14:38.57 | Schuenemann | I did. I'll try the .deb from adobe's website. That's how I did it for lenny IIRC |
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| 14:40.02 | qq- | Schuenemann, has a security issue , so don't use it |
| 14:40.14 | SockPupMex | I am sure after a long day of programming, developping |
| 14:40.18 | Schuenemann | qq-, how bad is it? |
| 14:40.23 | SockPupMex | discussing or even giving advice for debian |
| 14:40.29 | SockPupMex | you all have one thing on your minds |
| 14:40.34 | SockPupMex | Black Vagina |
| 14:40.37 | SockPupMex | http://www.blackvaginafinder.com/ |
| 14:40.48 | qq- | Schuenemann, read google about that |
| 14:41.35 | jpinx-eeepc | Schuenemann: bad bad - did you not read all the reports, and apple refusing to run flkash at all |
| 14:41.57 | Schuenemann | I'm not aware of it really |
| 14:42.08 | qq- | now you are! |
| 14:42.12 | Schuenemann | heh |
| 14:42.38 | Schuenemann | even for linux? |
| 14:42.44 | qq- | yes |
| 14:43.36 | jpinx-eeepc | Schuenemann: you *really* need to google the news |
| 14:43.45 | Schuenemann | ok |
| 14:43.57 | nsadmin | or goose the noogle |
| 14:44.49 | nsadmin | seriously... being informed and knowing how to increase your information level is critical |
| 14:45.12 | thht | Schuenemann: you can still download 64 bit flash from the web. google for libflashplayer.so 64 bit linux download |
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| 14:45.23 | jpinx-eeepc | nsadmin: too true - why eelse are we on the internet ? |
| 14:46.11 | nsadmin | so that we can each find one person we can ask every possible question of? |
| 14:46.26 | nsadmin | jpinx-eeepc: why is there air? |
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| 14:47.39 | jpinx-eeepc | nsadmin: so that planes can fly? |
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| 14:47.52 | jpinx-eeepc | points nsadmin at #debian-offtopic |
| 14:49.32 | nsadmin | Oh, I thought it was to blow up basketballs... |
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| 14:59.30 | Kuifje111 | is it possible to distinguish WAN traffic from LAN traffic using vnstat? |
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| 15:00.38 | nsadmin | is wan traffic on a different subnet from lan traffic? |
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| 15:01.00 | Kuifje111 | nsadmin: they're on the same NIC (same interface). |
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| 15:01.59 | nsadmin | ok... question still stands, and alternately, are there more than one subnet on that interface? |
| 15:04.11 | Kuifje111 | no, it's on the same subnet (if I understand you correctly). PC has one interface and that interface has one IP 192.168.1.2 via which it is connected to the LAN but also to the internet. |
| 15:04.46 | nsadmin | then it's not going to be easy to tell traffic apart |
| 15:05.35 | nsadmin | if you were to install a separate nic and put the wireless (and the nic) on a different subnet, would make it easier |
| 15:06.08 | Kuifje111 | nsadmin: can't it check the source of the packets? if it's from my router it's from LAN and if it's from a WAN address it's from WAN? |
| 15:06.53 | nsadmin | how would you differentiate addresses? |
| 15:07.16 | nsadmin | if you always knew the addresses that would make it possible |
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| 15:08.13 | Kuifje111 | nsadmin: ok, thanks for your help. I guess I'll stick to it like it is then. |
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| 15:09.16 | fruitwerks | Cannot load /usr/lib/apache2/modules/mod_actions.so into server... is this built in to apache? Cause i can't find what provides it |
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| 15:15.57 | lepra | How the xserver-xorg from lenny repositories? #aptititude install -t lenny xserver-xorg? |
| 15:16.04 | lepra | *How to install |
| 15:16.22 | kzar | I'm trying to get smplayer, mplayer, vpdau and my nvidia card to all work nicely. I've compiled a new mplayer with vdpau support, installed the vdpau packges, compiled a new smplayer that lets me choose vdpau as an output method and I've switched my xorg to use twinview. When I try to play something it doesn't work, I get no video. If I tell smplayer to not use vdpau video works but it's using all my cpu. Any ideas? |
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| 15:17.41 | roe | I am installing about 10 packages, one of them seems to be putting mysql on the install list, how do I find out which one it is |
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| 15:18.13 | acu | flashplugin non-free does not work on squeeze ? any WORKING solution (alternative) GNASH sucks, is just a dummy, tried to use it on youtube - no joy - and flashplugin-non free is not working |
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| 15:18.50 | FunctorSalad_ | is there some better way to startup bash_completion than in my bash.bashrc? it's annoying to have to wait a second for every terminal you open |
| 15:19.01 | FunctorSalad_ | the bash manual suggests complete -D |
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| 15:19.17 | trafg | Hello, I have an existing software raid10, with four disks. I added a new disk ( mdadm --manage /dev/md3 --add /dev/sde1 ) but it only becomes a spare disk, how do I conver it to active so I can use the space? |
| 15:19.49 | roe | trafg, I guess you don't understand what a raid 10 is then |
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| 15:20.44 | FunctorSalad_ | that's not an answer |
| 15:21.56 | roe | if you look at how a raid 10 works it will be clear why you can't add a single disk to the array |
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| 15:22.43 | trafg | roe: Your wrong, Linux MD RAID10 (RAID10) implements a general RAID driver that defaults to a standard RAID 1 with 2 drives, and a standard RAID 1+0 with four drives, but can have any number of drives, including odd numbers |
| 15:23.00 | lmaowaffle | hello. how do i remove cached package archives (/var/cache/apt/archives) for packages that aren't currently installed? |
| 15:23.13 | lmaowaffle | and obsolete versions of applications installed |
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| 15:23.41 | roe | trafg, how do you have an odd number and still respect the 1+0? |
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| 15:25.01 | roe | raid 10 is each mirror gets a stripe, so you need to add a mirror (at least 2 drives) if you want to add a stripe |
| 15:25.24 | trafg | so there is no way it can become active? |
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| 15:25.51 | roe | you could probably add it to an existing mirror, but that would just add reliability not space |
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| 15:26.56 | nsadmin | lmaowaffle, so you want to keep .debs of packages you have installed? |
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| 15:30.13 | roe | trafg, if you really wanted to you could add a 'failed disk' and add a stripe to the newly created degraded mirror |
| 15:30.19 | roe | but I would not recommend that |
| 15:30.52 | trafg | I will add another disk instead |
| 15:30.55 | trafg | so it has 6 |
| 15:30.59 | trafg | then all should become active, right? |
| 15:31.01 | lmaowaffle | nsadmin: yes |
| 15:31.42 | roe | automagically? I don't know how intelligent mdadm is, but if it isn't automagic you can definitely add a new stripe |
| 15:31.59 | lmaowaffle | nsadmin: i want to use that cache as a local cache for the network (similar machines having same software - not complete clones of each other) |
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| 15:32.38 | lmaowaffle | i have a fileserver offering http/ftp connectivity too, so if there's a good option for that, let me knoow :) |
| 15:32.48 | nsadmin | I would copy all packages out to some other dir, apt-get clean, then for each package file determine version installed and compare to version on the deb to make the decision as to whether you will remove the file... then move the remaining back |
| 15:33.47 | lmaowaffle | nsadmin: yeah, i think i may need to script it |
| 15:33.57 | nsadmin | but see what you can see with the .deb filename and the package name part and the version part |
| 15:34.09 | lmaowaffle | how do i get a list of debs needed by the system (including name and version) |
| 15:34.30 | nsadmin | how do you define "needed" |
| 15:34.57 | nsadmin | once a package is installed, the deb is not needed |
| 15:35.20 | lmaowaffle | i'd compile a list of those .debs required by the system, and 'while read' that list, move that package from temp path to actual path |
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| 15:36.25 | nsadmin | you could do that, if you have flushed out what you mean by "required" |
| 15:36.32 | pkkm | What is lighter - LXDE of Xfce? |
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| 15:36.57 | nsadmin | xfce weighs 4 pounds I think... |
| 15:37.21 | lmaowaffle | pkkm: the former |
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| 15:39.12 | pkkm | lmaowaffle, could you answer with the name of the evrironment? Im not native English. |
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| 15:39.17 | jelly-home | my laptop with xfce is rather heavy |
| 15:39.34 | jelly-home | pkkm: lxde |
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| 15:40.45 | jelly-home | !qotd0 |
| 15:40.45 | dpkg | <jpinx> can I edit sources.list in windows wordpad without screwing it up? * jpinx has an e2fs reader in XP |
| 15:41.07 | jpinx-eeepc | :/ |
| 15:41.25 | pkkm | !gotd |
| 15:41.30 | pkkm | !gotd1 |
| 15:41.33 | jpinx-eeepc | fwiw - I did and it worked |
| 15:41.38 | pkkm | !1otd |
| 15:41.40 | pkkm | !qotd |
| 15:41.41 | dpkg | Quote of the Day. Ask me about <qotd0> to get a random one. See <literal qotd0> for which numbers are used already and <qotdx> for which numbers have been voted as "replaceable". At 263 (2010-03-30). |
| 15:41.45 | lmaowaffle | there are so many different editors for windows that don't screw up encoding |
| 15:41.50 | pkkm | !qotd0 |
| 15:41.51 | dpkg | <Shadowwulf> note to self - note to learn the difference between 8 megs and 8 gig <Shadowwulf> i musta somehow thought i could install debian on 8 meg |
| 15:41.53 | lmaowaffle | why word? |
| 15:42.08 | pkkm | I recommend notepad++ |
| 15:42.25 | lmaowaffle | context, programmer's notepad - heaps |
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| 15:47.02 | dima202 | in debian instead of .htaccess I can use mime.types? or are they 2 different configs? |
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| 15:47.34 | acu | hey guys do you know howto install daily firefox 3.7 in debian - I want to use the youtube.com/html5 and see how can we escape from flash |
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| 15:47.56 | lmaowaffle | dima202: yes, they're different |
| 15:48.17 | krynr | acu: download source and compile it |
| 15:48.25 | dima202 | lmaowaffle: thanks, so I have to edit mime types in both thne? |
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| 15:49.23 | nsadmin | you have to understand how the things in htaccess affects things otherwise set elsewhere |
| 15:49.37 | acu | krynr: is this the right spot - it seem that they compiled it ? http://nightly.mozilla.org/ |
| 15:49.40 | nsadmin | and what the chain of influence is |
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| 15:51.32 | krynr | acu: that guy is different, but easier. just download and unpack into some dir. |
| 15:53.28 | dima202 | %free |
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| 15:59.14 | craigevil | acu: just download the firefox nightly, extract, create a shortcut to launch it, nothing to compile |
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| 16:00.33 | craigevil | acu: html5 works in midori, epiphany, uzbl, etc with the right gstreamer plugins |
| 16:00.42 | acu | craigevil: I downloaded it - tryied to run - it crushed - I downloaded the Intel64 version (I run amd64 squeeze) |
| 16:01.23 | acu | I miss something - was just reading some stuff - it needs some libvpx |
| 16:02.12 | acu | epiphany works ? what plugs I need ? |
| 16:02.28 | craigevil | acu: libvpx0 - VP8 video codec (shared library), its in sid not sure about testing |
| 16:02.45 | craigevil | acu: -bad and -ugly |
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| 16:03.10 | craigevil | acu: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=52764&hilit=html5 |
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| 16:04.31 | acu | it would be so great to have something to escape from the bloody flash - is the biggest pain in the ass restriction we have seen so far |
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| 16:15.03 | Greg_laborde | hello! |
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| 16:18.45 | HermanDE_ | Hello? |
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| 16:20.10 | linuxmoi | HermanDE salut ;) |
| 16:20.32 | Greg_laborde | hi! |
| 16:20.43 | krynr | moin |
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| 16:21.06 | Greg_laborde | Saudações livres !!! |
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| 16:24.23 | leejongwook | [I need 'play' command :P |
| 16:25.00 | HermanDE_ | leejongwook, I usually alias 'play' with 'poweroff --now' |
| 16:25.22 | leejongwook | I mean I don't have that command @_@ |
| 16:25.43 | leejongwook | What package do I need ? |
| 16:26.07 | HermanDE_ | leejongwook, What are you trying to play? |
| 16:26.14 | leejongwook | ogg file :) |
| 16:26.39 | HermanDE_ | leejongwook, Are you looking for a command line function? |
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| 16:26.58 | leejongwook | No, execute file |
| 16:27.26 | leejongwook | How do I install it ? |
| 16:27.27 | HermanDE_ | Try using the package music123 |
| 16:27.36 | leejongwook | HermanDE_: Thanks :) |
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| 16:27.53 | HermanDE_ | leejongwook, aptitude install music123 |
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| 16:28.06 | leejongwook | HermanDE_: You're very kind ;) |
| 16:28.29 | leejongwook | I still don't have 'play' command @_@ |
| 16:28.37 | abrotman | !tell leejongwook about apt-file |
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| 16:30.37 | ootput | leejongwook: for just ogg files, ogg123 |
| 16:31.07 | ootput | leejongwook: in vorbis-tools (it can also handle ogg flac+speex) |
| 16:31.15 | leejongwook | ootput: Thanks :) |
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| 16:32.37 | HermanDE_ | leejongwook, you can create the 'play' command..... |
| 16:33.17 | HermanDE_ | leejongwook, try 'music123 reallycoolmusicfile.ogg |
| 16:33.36 | leejongwook | music123 and ogg123, both can play ogg files well :) Thanks a lot people |
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| 16:35.07 | Voldenet | Hey, is it possible to run video=uvesafb with wide res? |
| 16:35.20 | Voldenet | like 1650x1080 etc. |
| 16:35.35 | Voldenet | 1680x1050* |
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| 16:38.40 | acu | I cannot install flashplugin-nonfree in debian squeeze - is just anoying - I downloaded even other debs and I get wget failed to download http://people.debian.org/~bartm/flashplugin-nonfree/fp10.sha512.amd64.pgp.asc |
| 16:39.11 | abrotman | no more amd64 flash |
| 16:39.15 | krynr | acu: flash for amd64 is currently suspended |
| 16:39.33 | krynr | wait for multiarch to be ready :-P |
| 16:39.41 | acu | are you kidding me? 90% of the webs use flash |
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| 16:39.51 | krynr | yes, just realized |
| 16:39.55 | Klan | some one have the same problem with mpd ? |
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| 16:40.31 | pipeline | acu: it doesn't matter. Flash for linux is unbearable anyway. Even if it worked, you would just say "well, this sucked." and uninstall it. |
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| 16:40.38 | acu | what is the alternative because gnash is absolutely non-functiona |
| 16:41.05 | pipeline | acu: flash on linux is unusably terrible. Your least-terrible bet is to use windows flash with windows firefox via wine |
| 16:41.30 | krynr | acu: or make it more terrible by using nspluginrunner |
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| 16:41.42 | acu | pipeline: I would see it as a nice joke - but is not - this does not explain that I am going to use linux only as server - since 90% of the websites use flash - including youtube.com |
| 16:41.44 | krynr | s/runner/wrapper/ |
| 16:42.15 | AimHere | Do you actually need to run flash on Linux if you're just serving up flash files? |
| 16:42.28 | dkr | no |
| 16:42.32 | pipeline | acu: That's life. |
| 16:42.36 | acu | Guys - is 2010 everybody goes to youtube |
| 16:42.42 | craigevil | acu: use minitube for youtube |
| 16:42.48 | pipeline | acu: complaining about it won't change how things are |
| 16:42.59 | pipeline | acu: none of us can do anything about how terrible flash is |
| 16:43.10 | pipeline | acu: btw, most youtube videos are available through their html5 trial |
| 16:43.13 | acu | pipeline: flashplugin worked OK |
| 16:43.21 | craigevil | blame Adobe not linux, there is no 64bit flash for windows either |
| 16:43.34 | pipeline | also the beta 64 bit flash plugins aren't really safe |
| 16:43.35 | acu | pipleine: and how would you run in debian html5? |
| 16:43.40 | pipeline | because they don't get patched on a regular basis |
| 16:43.51 | pipeline | acu: opera beta includes html5 support |
| 16:43.55 | qq- | acu, flash on amd64 , has grave security hole, see news on google , and don't use it |
| 16:44.28 | acu | that is what I spent last 2 hours figuring out that is yet another masochistic exercise to make the most basic thing work - I thought that was normal 6 years ago |
| 16:44.51 | valdyn | acu: what's so hard about installing flash? |
| 16:45.24 | dv- | it no longer exists for amd64 for one |
| 16:45.29 | acu | valdyn: it does not work - you can't install flashplugin-non free and the gnash is totally useles |
| 16:45.38 | valdyn | judd: versions flashplugin-nonfree |
| 16:45.40 | judd | flashplugin-nonfree -- etch-backports/contrib: 1:1.4~bpo40+1; lenny-backports/contrib: 1:2.5~bpo50+1; squeeze/contrib: 1:2.8; sid/contrib: 1:2.8.1 |
| 16:46.02 | abrotman | flash for amd64 is gone |
| 16:46.11 | valdyn | but its still on dmm? |
| 16:46.31 | craigevil | dmm uses the ia32 libs |
| 16:46.36 | qq- | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:46.41 | valdyn | big deal |
| 16:47.03 | acu | pipeline: opera is a proprietary browser, is not it ? how do I install it in debian squeeze |
| 16:47.15 | qq- | !opera |
| 16:47.16 | dpkg | Opera is a cross-platform web browser and Internet suite, which handles common tasks including visiting web sites and sending/receiving e-mail. Opera is Freeware (>= version 8.5), but NOT Open-Source. It is not included in Debian and therefore not supported by #debian. To install, ask me about <opera apt> and see http://wiki.debian.org/Opera . http://www.opera.com/support/ #opera on irc.opera.com. |
| 16:47.17 | valdyn | acu: opera has packages for any distro |
| 16:47.21 | craigevil | acu: use the opera repo |
| 16:47.27 | valdyn | acu: they are just great that way |
| 16:47.54 | craigevil | acu: see http://deb.opera.com/ |
| 16:48.21 | valdyn | but im sure even the crappy 64-bit flash can be downloaded somewhere |
| 16:50.48 | krynr | valdyn: yes, but it's insecure as hell |
| 16:50.51 | qq- | valdyn, flash on amd64 , has grave security hole, see news on google , and don't use or recommend it |
| 16:51.07 | valdyn | sure. i said "crappy" |
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| 16:52.33 | krynr | btw: chromium works too |
| 16:53.10 | qq- | chromium has html5 ? |
| 16:53.21 | valdyn | qq-: thats not the point - no it does not |
| 16:53.31 | krynr | qq-: yes. just tested it. |
| 16:53.49 | valdyn | qq-: but it has enough of it to run youtube's html5 version |
| 16:54.03 | krynr | that's what i meant |
| 16:54.13 | qq- | cool |
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| 16:54.51 | qq- | !flush must die |
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| 16:55.06 | qq- | !flash* must die |
| 16:55.31 | abrotman | stop already |
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| 16:56.20 | qq- | we will save 50% earth energy resources |
| 16:56.39 | qq- | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:57.38 | acu | qq- do not talk non-sense - and it is non-sense as long as you cannot replace it with something functional - this is kind of high school jumping you are doing - without thinking - first have something handy to replace it with - that is called strategy |
| 16:58.48 | acu | youtube html5 is non-functional even with opera - but anyway |
| 16:58.58 | craigevil | acu: blame Adobe not linux, or run 32bit |
| 16:59.37 | craigevil | acu: take a look at http://www.webmproject.org/users/ |
| 17:00.18 | krynr | acu: not all videos work |
| 17:00.23 | craigevil | html5 on youtube works in epiphany, uzbl, opera, firefox, chrome/chromium and probably other browsers |
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| 17:01.06 | abrotman | acu: if oyu want to use binary-only software, don't complain when they don't support your architecture |
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| 17:01.38 | krynr | acu: it's kinda random, but whatever: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSaonjQoR1I&feature=related |
| 17:01.40 | acu | craigevil: is nothing or nobody to blame - is a reality which needs a solution - if the OXYGEN is toxic you cannot remove it from atmosphere - until we can have alternative metabolism so we can live on nitrogen only or co2 or whatever - here is a situation - nothing to blame - just to be dealt with |
| 17:01.52 | abrotman | acu: then use 32bit Debian, problem solved |
| 17:01.55 | acu | craigevil : did you try any of those ? |
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| 17:02.13 | acu | OK, so I have to install ia32 |
| 17:02.24 | acu | I almost forgot what do I need to do |
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| 17:02.36 | acu | to install 32 bit |
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| 17:03.05 | acu | craigevil: opera does not work on youtube html5 I just tried it |
| 17:03.19 | Saliven | hi... how do i change DNS servers permanently please? |
| 17:03.39 | trupheenix | hey how do i get hold of debian sid lxde? |
| 17:03.55 | trupheenix | i want to create a thumb drive installer any links where i can find documentation to do this? |
| 17:04.27 | beardy | !fix resolv.conf |
| 17:04.27 | dpkg | takes resolv.conf to the vet for a "special" visit. |
| 17:04.35 | acu | Saliven : you go and edit /etc/network/interfaces there is an entry dns-nameservers |
| 17:04.36 | beardy | !resolv.conf |
| 17:04.37 | dpkg | well, resolv.conf is /etc/resolv.conf, resolver configuration file that contains your nameserver IPs. It's written by your DHCP client. To use different nameservers than those provided by DHCP, ask me about <override dns>. See also <fixresolvconf>. |
| 17:04.49 | acu | Saliven: nano /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 17:05.06 | Saliven | thx |
| 17:05.09 | rvsjoen | !tell trupheenix about usb install |
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| 17:08.15 | craigevil | acu: grab the opera beta> http://www.opera.com/browser/next/ or install chromium it is in sid |
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| 17:08.43 | nak | is there a way to get color coded apt, the way emerge is in gentoo? |
| 17:09.05 | acu | craigevil: I installed opera beta - it does not play any video so far in youtube html5 - I tried several wideos |
| 17:09.43 | acu | maybe chromium will work |
| 17:09.48 | acu | let me do it in a sec |
| 17:10.53 | abrotman | it's still only going to fix youtube .. it doens't fix all flash websites |
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| 17:15.04 | Chriz | how can I fix this? http://pastebin.com/MQNJyZga |
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| 17:16.04 | abrotman | amd64? |
| 17:16.10 | ham5 | reinstall it then remove it? |
| 17:16.30 | ham5 | you should reinstall it before attempting a removal. |
| 17:16.32 | Chriz | when I try to install it I get E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 17:16.39 | Chriz | I can't remove it cause its not installed =\ |
| 17:17.10 | abrotman | Chriz: dpkg -r flashplugin-nonfree ? |
| 17:17.36 | Chriz | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:20.02 | acu | Chriz there are options in synaptic package manager (or some cli) which will fix broken packages then you can do whatever you want |
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| 17:20.24 | abrotman | dpkg --force-remove-reinstreq flashplugin-nonfree |
| 17:20.25 | nak | so, anyone? |
| 17:20.26 | abrotman | Chriz: are you using ubuntu? |
| 17:20.26 | nak | color coded apt? |
| 17:20.26 | acu | OK, so abrotman, if I want to install flashplugin-nonfree 32 bit version what should I do - download it and what else do I need to install in squeeze amd 64 ? |
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| 17:20.26 | Chriz | abrotman, yeah =\ but no one seems to be able to help |
| 17:20.26 | abrotman | nak: is'nt hte TUI color coded |
| 17:20.26 | abrotman | Chriz: ask #ubuntu or ##linux, have a nice day |
| 17:20.26 | Chriz | :( |
| 17:20.27 | abrotman | acu: you can go to #ubuntu with him |
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| 17:20.28 | dpkg | abrotman: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 17:20.44 | abrotman | acu: i didn't tell you to use the 32bit flash on amd64 |
| 17:21.26 | nak | abrotman: i just want to get things color coded, like emerge/portage. |
| 17:21.29 | nak | it isn't. |
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| 17:21.42 | abrotman | what are "things" ? |
| 17:21.58 | nak | apt-get output |
| 17:22.05 | roe | why isn't slapd returned as a result when searching for OpenLDAP? |
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| 17:22.19 | nak | highlighting of useful information, with nicely formatted color codes. |
| 17:22.23 | abrotman | nak: no, but you could write a patch |
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| 17:23.17 | nak | abrotman: not sure how to go about that, but if you give me directions, i'll make an attempt to do so |
| 17:23.36 | abrotman | nak: the aptitude source code is pretty large .. |
| 17:23.52 | acu | abrotman: I have perceived you like a gentleman, educated and refined, I can see no rime, reason or logic to be so adamant against ubuntu, I do not use ubuntu, but I think it did a lot of good to linux and debian, as it is becoming useful to more people than the programers who built it |
| 17:24.03 | nak | abrotman: so is portage :) |
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| 17:24.17 | abrotman | rhyme |
| 17:24.25 | abrotman | acu: this channel doesn't support ubuntu |
| 17:24.34 | jelly-home | roe: what exact command doesn't return it? apt-cache serach openldap works for me on squeeze |
| 17:24.46 | acu | ubuntu is debian |
| 17:24.47 | roe | aptitude search OpenLDAP on lenny doesn't |
| 17:24.54 | abrotman | acu: No, it is not |
| 17:24.58 | acu | LOL |
| 17:25.00 | abrotman | please don't tell people that, you're wrong |
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| 17:25.15 | gusnan | acu, so my Debian problems are welcome in #ubuntu? |
| 17:25.17 | jelly-home | roe: aptitude search syntax is complex |
| 17:25.33 | roe | jelly-home, any pointers? |
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| 17:26.01 | abrotman | wonders where bugs.d.o wenbt |
| 17:26.31 | nak | I guess i'll stick to funtoo then |
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| 17:26.37 | nak | debian has never really been my thing anyway |
| 17:26.44 | nak | if they can't even color code apt-get output |
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| 17:26.47 | acu | gusnan: if your debian problems are not welcome in #ubuntu is because of the reptilian brain, siege mentality what people render in this stage of primitivism, nothing else - otherwise 99% or your debian problems can be answered in ubuntu and viceversa |
| 17:26.52 | abrotman | was that a troll |
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| 17:27.30 | abrotman | acu: Ubuntu is not Debian, Ubuntu is not supported here, Ubuntu is offtopic here. Please use the next 10 minutes to reconsider your choice of topics. |
| 17:27.38 | roe | the ban hammer! |
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| 17:29.21 | jelly-home | roe: well, the documentation. aptitude-doc-en package and start from /usr/share/doc/aptitude/html/en/ch02s03.html, esp. /usr/share/doc/aptitude/html/en/ch02s03s05.html |
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| 17:30.41 | jelly-home | apt-cache search foo is simple and often good enough |
| 17:31.02 | roe | I'm surprised the results are different, tbh |
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| 17:33.38 | jelly-home | that wasn't 10 minutes! |
| 17:33.54 | krynr | nope 4 to go |
| 17:35.02 | jelly-home | roe: yeah, I can see it being contrary to user's expactation as apt-get and apt-cache replacement |
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| 17:44.18 | eptalon | hello all |
| 17:45.14 | nse | do any of you remember the name of the human marine ability to bust his power. the icon is a |
| 17:45.16 | nse | syringe. I can't find this in the internet. I am from brazil |
| 17:45.33 | eptalon | heyas |
| 17:45.44 | nse | starcraft 2. sorry for being out of topic this is top content |
| 17:46.13 | abrotman | nse: try #freenode |
| 17:47.27 | abrotman | nse: erm .. sorry .. try #defocus |
| 17:47.35 | abrotman | nse: NOT #freenode, you will get banned from there |
| 17:47.50 | eptalon | I converted a 2 disk raid1, to a failed two disk raid5, and added a disk; now it fails to find the lvm on top. If I restore, I can only see the original 1.5t, but not mount the partition. Is there any hope to get to the data (xfs, in an LVM)? |
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| 17:48.15 | eptalon | And thanks beforehand, could recover from the failed grub. |
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| 17:51.50 | grand_grunt | How can I check if a device needs non-free firmware? I got "SIOCSIFFLAGS: Cannot assign requested address" with strange MAC address on a network card, on Debian Lenny |
| 17:52.04 | abrotman | lspci ? |
| 17:52.23 | grand_grunt | Davicom Semiconductor, Inc. 21x4x DEC-Tulip compatible 10/100 Ethernet (rev 31) |
| 17:52.37 | grand_grunt | Hardware is a Sun Fire V100. |
| 17:53.02 | grand_grunt | Is there somewhere a list of "this works/this doesn't work/this needs blob firmware"? |
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| 17:56.41 | abrotman | grand_grunt: IIRC, that device isn't supported, what is `lspci -nn | grep Tulip' ? |
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| 17:58.25 | grand_grunt | Ho yeah, got it |
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| 17:59.02 | grand_grunt | http://bits.sid3windr.be/netraX1/#nic <= had to rmmod dmfe and tulip, then modprobe tulip, and it works. |
| 17:59.13 | grand_grunt | Will blacklist dmfe. thanks abrotman |
| 17:59.26 | abrotman | ok |
| 17:59.37 | abrotman | thought Debian on the V100 was flaky, but okay |
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| 18:00.10 | grand_grunt | What is strange is that, the first time I installed Lenny on this hardware, network was ok out of the box (but not in installer) |
| 18:00.29 | grand_grunt | maybe a different order for good and bad module at boot. |
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| 18:09.14 | kzar | I setup SCIM to let me enter Kanji the other day but now my virtual term's keep trying to display stuff in Japanese. (The actual terminals are still in English though) |
| 18:09.15 | Chriz | when making a raid 1 (via mdadm) what do I format the second drive as? ext3 or swap? |
| 18:10.37 | kzar | Where can I get libvdpau_nvidia.so ? I need it for Mplayer |
| 18:10.42 | grand_grunt | Chriz: You don't have to format it. Just create an empty partition at the good size. Are you installing, or do you try to raid an existing single partition? |
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| 18:11.27 | Chriz | I partitioned both drives (fd (linux raid auto)) for the full 1.5tb, I formatted md0 as ext3 |
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| 18:12.56 | grand_grunt | So you have allready raid, right? trying to add a new raid (md1) from a system installed on a raid (md0)? |
| 18:13.23 | Chriz | I am in the process of making the raid, there is no existing raid |
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| 18:13.32 | grand_grunt | soft raid works this way: you got physical drives, then partitions, then you raid partitions, then you create filesystem on raid. |
| 18:13.59 | grand_grunt | You are installing? there is an option "use partition for raid" or somethink like that in installer. |
| 18:14.01 | valdyn | Chriz: you dont need to format the individual drives |
| 18:14.14 | Chriz | I am following this guide http://www.howtoforge.com/software-raid1-grub-boot-debian-etch-p1 |
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| 18:14.30 | Chriz | should both drives appear as md0 or should I have md1 and md0? |
| 18:14.38 | valdyn | Chriz: md0 is one raid |
| 18:14.50 | valdyn | Chriz: md1 and md0, thats two raids |
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| 18:15.13 | Chriz | how do I make sdb1 and sdc1 as md0? |
| 18:15.31 | valdyn | Chriz: as written in that howto |
| 18:15.58 | eptalon | Chriz: mdadm, with a number of params |
| 18:16.02 | Chriz | it tells me to do mdadm --create /dev/md0 --level=1 --raid-disks=2 missing /dev/sdb1 mdadm --create /dev/md1 --level=1 --raid-disks=2 missing /dev/sdb2 |
| 18:16.12 | Chriz | making them each their own raid =\ |
| 18:16.18 | valdyn | Chriz: thats 2 raids |
| 18:16.33 | valdyn | Chriz: you need to understand what you are doing, for example what "missing" means |
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| 18:16.56 | Chriz | where is a good guide on mdadm? |
| 18:17.01 | valdyn | Chriz: creating a degraded raid can be useful |
| 18:17.01 | grand_grunt | man mdadm |
| 18:17.18 | valdyn | Chriz: but we can hardly know why you would need to create a degraded array |
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| 18:19.29 | ThinkRob | I've got a Dell Mini 9 with Squeeze on it, and acpi doesn't want to give me an estimate of remaining battery life. Any ideas? |
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| 18:20.08 | valdyn | ThinkRob: "uname -r" gives what? |
| 18:20.26 | ThinkRob | 2.6.32-5-686 |
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| 18:21.05 | valdyn | ThinkRob: "dmesg | grep -i batt" gives what? |
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| 18:21.36 | ThinkRob | ACPI: Battery Slot [BAT1] (battery present) |
| 18:22.49 | valdyn | ThinkRob: does acpi ever give an estimate and not just charge rates / charge state? |
| 18:23.01 | valdyn | ThinkRob: and uncharge rate etc.. |
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| 18:24.55 | taras | what is analogue of C_INCLUDE_PATH for c++ includes? |
| 18:25.18 | ThinkRob | Not as far as I've seen. |
| 18:25.24 | ThinkRob | It did when I ran Ubuntu 9.04 though. |
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| 18:25.32 | ThinkRob | And IIRC it worked in Lenny too. |
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| 18:26.34 | pkkm | I'm installing newest Debian Lenny in expert mode. The installer asks me to choose my Ethernet card's driver (Ethernet card is an old Xircom PCMCIA modem). But when I select xirc2ps_cs, the installer asks me again and again. Is there any way I can force this driver? |
| 18:26.43 | valdyn | ThinkRob: that is "it" ? |
| 18:26.51 | valdyn | ThinkRob: *what* is "it" ? |
| 18:27.00 | ThinkRob | acpi. |
| 18:27.10 | valdyn | ThinkRob: acpi, the command? |
| 18:27.14 | ThinkRob | Yes. |
| 18:27.21 | ThinkRob | And gnome-power-manager, etc. |
| 18:27.36 | ThinkRob | But yes, I was just referring to 'acpi' at the moment. |
| 18:27.51 | valdyn | ThinkRob: i dont see that feature in the acpi manpage |
| 18:27.58 | valdyn | ThinkRob: what about "acpi -b" gives the charge state? |
| 18:28.25 | ThinkRob | Right, scratch that I'm an idiot. |
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| 18:28.43 | ThinkRob | 'acpi' shouldn't. |
| 18:28.51 | ThinkRob | But gnome-power-manager, powertop, etc. should, and right now they don't. |
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| 18:29.42 | ThinkRob | Although it is interesting to note that 'acpi -b' claims that the battery is "discharging at zero rate - will never fully discharge" |
| 18:29.47 | ThinkRob | Which is pretty clearly not true. |
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| 18:30.37 | valdyn | ThinkRob: you can also directly look at /proc/acpi/battery/BAT0/state |
| 18:31.04 | valdyn | ThinkRob: if its not there then your kernel fails to support that hardware |
| 18:31.04 | ThinkRob | No I can't. |
| 18:31.12 | ThinkRob | Because /proc/acpi/battery doesn't exist. |
| 18:31.58 | pkkm | I'm installing newest Debian Lenny in expert mode. The installer asks me to choose my Ethernet card's driver (Ethernet card is an old Xircom PCMCIA modem). But when I select xirc2ps_cs, the installer asks me again and again. Is there any way I can force this driver? |
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| 18:33.28 | ThinkRob | valdyn: I'm not sure I understand why it's not supported -- it certainly was supported in 2.6.28 (i.e. the kernel Ubuntu 9.04 used), and I'm pretty sure it was supported just fine in Lenny. |
| 18:33.38 | ThinkRob | (And thus in 2.6.26.something) |
| 18:33.48 | valdyn | ThinkRob: does /proc/acpi even exist? |
| 18:33.52 | Saliven | Hi.. I got a question.. Some tima ago, i saw some method to reconfigure something so compiz is the default window manager. I dont recall it though. Anyone knows what am i talking about? :) |
| 18:34.05 | ThinkRob | valdyn: Yes. /proc/acpi does, but 'battery' isn't there. |
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| 18:34.41 | bewilled | Saliven, download compiz fusion icon |
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| 18:34.59 | Chriz | How come when I do mdadm --create /dev/md0 --level=1 --raid-devices=2 /dev/sdb1 /dev/sdc1 it says both /dev/sdb1 and /dev/sdc1 are busy? |
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| 18:35.31 | Chriz | neither of them are in use =\ |
| 18:35.57 | grand_grunt | check this with "fuser /dev/sdb1" and "mount" |
| 18:36.18 | valdyn | Chriz: "cat /proc/mdstat" gives what? |
| 18:36.46 | valdyn | ThinkRob: i was wondering if this is moved to /sys |
| 18:36.54 | valdyn | ThinkRob: however, is the "battery" module loaded? |
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| 18:37.41 | Chriz | valdyn, thanks, some how they became md_d0 =\ |
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| 18:38.58 | bohne | hi, i'm using debian in a virtualbox vm, debian changes the interface name when the virtualbox sets a new mac address (for ex.: eth3 -> eth4), is the data of eth3 stored anywhere? |
| 18:39.06 | bohne | i need the old mac address |
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| 18:39.23 | valdyn | !z25 |
| 18:39.23 | dpkg | udev has the ability to statically rename Ethernet cards based on MAC address since version 0.090. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules (Lenny, Squeeze) or /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules (Etch). If you want the mappings to change, edit the respective file. To apply changes: "udevadm trigger" ("udevtrigger" on Etch) or reload the relevant driver module. See also <forcedeth mac>, <udev>. |
| 18:39.53 | qq- | !70 |
| 18:39.53 | dpkg | udev has the ability to statically rename Ethernet cards based on MAC address since version 0.090. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules (Lenny, Squeeze) or /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules (Etch). If you want the mappings to change, edit the respective file. To apply changes: "udevadm trigger" ("udevtrigger" on Etch) or reload the relevant driver module. See also <forcedeth mac>, <udev>. |
| 18:40.00 | valdyn | bohne: ^^ |
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| 18:40.06 | aguitel | anyone in squeeze use ati hd3200 graphic card? |
| 18:40.12 | valdyn | !anyone use |
| 18:40.13 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
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| 18:40.41 | bohne | valdyn: thanks |
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| 18:47.54 | grand_grunt | How to set openboot vars to auto-boot on SILO? I've tried boot-device = disk0 disk1, doesn't work. SILO is installed on both disk (mirror raid) |
| 18:48.21 | tau | hey, is there some way to know how much bytes my ethernet card has sent since 1 month ago ? is there some log file where yiedls suck information ? |
| 18:49.40 | grand_grunt | tau: there is no "log file" (excepting the total amount that ifconfig shows) |
| 18:49.51 | tau | grand_grunt: hmm, sure. |
| 18:50.13 | tau | grand_grunt: same if i am using the pppoeconf utility ? |
| 18:50.19 | tau | utils* |
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| 18:50.53 | jelly-home | tau: /sys/class/net/eth0//statistics ? |
| 18:51.10 | jelly-home | tau: assuming you have not rebooted |
| 18:51.16 | tau | hmm, jelly-home i will look at it. |
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| 18:52.09 | tau | jelly-home: hnmm, maybe it can be, rx bytes is the bytes sent, and tx bytes are the bytes received, sure ? |
| 18:52.43 | pkkm | I'm installing newest Debian Lenny in expert mode. The installer asks me to choose my Ethernet card's driver (Ethernet card is an old Xircom PCMCIA modem). But when I select xirc2ps_cs, the installer asks me again and again. Is there any way I can force this driver? |
| 18:52.47 | grand_grunt | tau: rx is receveid, tx is sent. |
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| 18:52.50 | jelly-home | tau: the opposite |
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| 18:53.29 | grand_grunt | BTW, I've misunderstood your question, I though you wanted something like "1 month ago, at this hour, how many packets where sent?" that is not logged |
| 18:53.34 | tau | jelly-home: sure, thank you, guys. |
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| 18:54.03 | tau | i was having troubles for my provider internet server, so i can prove that i am sure on the fact they are stealing me. |
| 18:54.50 | grand_grunt | maybe a bit heavy, but you can install something like Cacti |
| 18:55.32 | tau | grand_grunt: hm ? |
| 18:56.13 | grand_grunt | a tool that creates pretty graphs of bandwith, uptime and such that things |
| 18:56.55 | grand_grunt | So that you can monitor your network use and say your ISP "hey, from 2 AM to 5 AM my network was down!!" |
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| 18:57.06 | tau | but it arrise another question, in fact the rx_bytes shows that i have sent the exact number bytes they are claiming. but if they are sending bytes to me without i have asked ? like when you send 'pings' to someone ? |
| 18:57.48 | tau | grand_grunt: yeah, i will install it, but look at my question, i don't know if i was so clear if i didn't i can rephrase it. |
| 18:58.07 | grand_grunt | It's the "risk" with the Internet, sometimes people send you bytes you don't want to receive. |
| 18:58.17 | tau | grand_grunt: exactly. |
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| 18:58.34 | tau | grand_grunt: but how can I do to get awoken of it ? |
| 18:58.42 | valdyn | tau: if you think that your isp has to compensate for people sending you bytes then you're wrong |
| 18:58.46 | prince_jammys | i've set up dnsmasq on a debian box in my lan as a DNS service (no dhcp). I added some hostnames to that box's /etc/hosts, and enabled "expand-hosts" and set a domain name. All this works fine, except that to ssh from any client to another using a short hostname, i need to type a trailing dot (''ssh melmac.''). I can't figure out how to make it so I can just use the short name. |
| 18:58.48 | grand_grunt | You use ppp, right? So each byte that comes for you gets in your box (even if it may be dropped) |
| 18:59.04 | tau | valdyn: i don't think so, but i think my isp is sending such bytes to steal me. |
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| 18:59.19 | tau | valdyn: it occurs to my brother too, they have the same kind of connection that i have. |
| 18:59.43 | valdyn | tau: you need alot more than the amount of traffic to prove that |
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| 19:00.37 | grand_grunt | Does your ISP add both Tx and Rx trafic to calculate your usage? |
| 19:00.45 | grand_grunt | This may make the difference. |
| 19:01.04 | tau | valdyn: how can I do to prove it ? |
| 19:01.27 | tau | grand_grunt: so, i see my rx trafic i calculate my usage, i didn't used 30gb in 14 days. |
| 19:01.56 | tau | grand_grunt: it is impossible, i downloaded just 10 movies about 300mb per movie. |
| 19:02.21 | valdyn | bittorrent can do that... |
| 19:02.39 | grand_grunt | Hey, don't forget that: 1) Internet noise is trafic. 2) You have other usages (such as IRC). 3) You upload too. |
| 19:02.40 | jelly-home | tau: torrent protocol can transfer an unlimited amount of data if you leave it running |
| 19:03.06 | tau | jelly-home: yeah, i know, but i don't use torrent. |
| 19:03.29 | grand_grunt | Without downloading any big files (such as ISO, archives or movies), no multimedia, I've reached a 2.6 Gb in one week |
| 19:03.41 | tau | grand_grunt: i think, i can't spend 20gb using irc, it would be impossible. |
| 19:03.52 | valdyn | prince_jammys: via the "search" directive in /etc/resolv.conf |
| 19:04.04 | valdyn | prince_jammys: "man resolv.conf" |
| 19:04.14 | prince_jammys | valdyn: thanks, will check it out |
| 19:04.16 | grand_grunt | tau: simple, just compare what your ISP says, and what you see on ppp0 stats. |
| 19:04.42 | grand_grunt | Look at your uptime, ask them your usage for this time, look at what your box gives. |
| 19:05.05 | grand_grunt | Sure you are the only one? No WiFi? |
| 19:05.21 | tau | grand_grunt: the rx_bytes received says the isp is sure on it, but if they are sending bytes that i don't want ? simply to steal my band ? it is possible using dark machines. |
| 19:05.25 | tau | grand_grunt: isn't it possible ? |
| 19:05.55 | valdyn | tau: thats silly, an isp doing this will not stay in business for long |
| 19:05.56 | sc | install bandwidthd |
| 19:05.59 | sc | and be done with it |
| 19:06.04 | tau | valdyn: but my isp is little. |
| 19:06.06 | grand_grunt | I don't think that ISP would sent bits to add traffic, the Internet is enough noisy. |
| 19:06.08 | valdyn | tau: and 30G is absolutely not worth the legal and business trouble |
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| 19:06.16 | tau | valdyn: it is a little isp of a little city. |
| 19:06.24 | valdyn | tau: that doesnt convince me |
| 19:06.51 | grand_grunt | Just having a public IP will make you the target of script-kiddies, bots, zombies, all the stincking stuff of the Internet |
| 19:06.58 | prince_jammys | valdyn: cool, works. |
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| 19:07.21 | sidh | greetings |
| 19:07.26 | prince_jammys | valdyn: i assume you mean 'search localdomainhere' in each client's resolv.conf, yes? |
| 19:07.33 | valdyn | prince_jammys: yes |
| 19:07.36 | prince_jammys | great |
| 19:07.54 | grand_grunt | If you have a server it's 10x worst. SSH? they bruteforce. Apache? They try to find IIS security vaults. tau, your ISP doesn't need to send you bytes, the entire world does it. |
| 19:08.13 | valdyn | prince_jammys: i think you can centralize that via dhcp, but its not the nameservers job |
| 19:08.30 | prince_jammys | valdyn: should i care about ''# Generated by NetworkManager'' at the top of resolv.conf ? |
| 19:08.30 | tau | valdyn: suppose they have a lot of business plans, they need to keep a nice bandwidth for them, it is a nice idea to turn off the normal users by using this strategy. |
| 19:08.38 | valdyn | prince_jammys: yea |
| 19:08.50 | grand_grunt | The only thing you can do is comparing your stats with there own (assuming each packet you receive gets in your box, no firewall), and logging packets with your firewall. |
| 19:08.51 | valdyn | prince_jammys: means that you changes will not be persistent |
| 19:09.14 | tau | valdyn: do you have idea of a tool for controling what packages are being sent to me ? |
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| 19:09.23 | grand_grunt | tau: iptables logging. |
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| 19:09.27 | tau | grand_grunt: humm |
| 19:09.28 | valdyn | tau: tcpdump |
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| 19:10.01 | tau | grand_grunt: i will look at it. |
| 19:10.10 | sc | tau: http://bandwidthd.sourceforge.net/ |
| 19:10.15 | jelly-home | tau: if you're using pppoe, you ought to have pppd logs in syslog (/var/log/messages) |
| 19:10.31 | grand_grunt | log in the IP where the packets come from, you'll see if it's from your ISP or not. |
| 19:10.32 | jelly-home | Jun 19 00:54:56 kanta-linux pppd[26032]: Connect time 486.8 minutes. |
| 19:10.33 | jelly-home | Jun 19 00:54:56 kanta-linux pppd[26032]: Sent 6892225 bytes, received 105995912 bytes. |
| 19:10.38 | sidh | i'm installing squeeze with the weekly build iso, but as I always had a problem during the formatting hdd steps (seems to be a known bug), i decided to format my HDD from another linux machine, but now i've partitionned the hdd in reiserfs , i realize Squeeze doesn't recognize reiserfs anymore ,.. Does the Lenny branch still recognize it ? (i will then upgrade to squeeze) |
| 19:10.51 | tau | valdyn: , grand_grunt what is the simpler to use of these two tools ? Iptables or tcpdump ? |
| 19:11.00 | valdyn | tau: tcpdump |
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| 19:11.06 | tau | valdyn: sure. |
| 19:11.08 | tau | thank you. |
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| 19:11.44 | grand_grunt | valdyn: tcpdump is better for a interactive use, and iptables logging for getting logs, no? |
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| 19:11.52 | tau | jelly-home: yeah, thank you too. |
| 19:12.10 | grand_grunt | I would't set a "tcpdump -vvv -s0 > my_log_file" and let it fill my hard drive.. |
| 19:12.32 | valdyn | grand_grunt: same is valid for iptables |
| 19:12.47 | grand_grunt | yeah, right. It depends on how you set them. |
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| 19:13.28 | valdyn | grand_grunt: i guess iptables uses less resources, but were talking about low bandwidth where that shouldnt matter |
| 19:14.02 | tau | grand_grunt: there is another point too, if the isp is sending bytes that i don't want for example if i am using irc now, they have sent 100mb, it would be prove they are stealing it too. |
| 19:14.30 | bodom | Hi, I have a problem with hylafax: I get an error 425 Cannot build data connection: Connection refused. May someone help me? |
| 19:14.47 | sidh | squeeze reiserfs |
| 19:14.51 | grand_grunt | tau: so log that stuff. log paquets, log ports separatly (irc paquets are what you want, some other paquets are what you do not) |
| 19:14.59 | sidh | oops sorry |
| 19:15.00 | valdyn | sidh: why would you use reiserfs? space? |
| 19:15.01 | tau | well, since i got connected now, it has received 7mb. it is just by using the irc. |
| 19:15.11 | sc | haha |
| 19:15.12 | sc | yea right |
| 19:15.18 | valdyn | sidh: its old and obsolete for almost any usage |
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| 19:15.35 | sidh | valdyn: always had better performance compared to ext3 |
| 19:15.48 | jelly-home | sidh: squeeze ougt to be able to mount reiserfs |
| 19:15.53 | grand_grunt | tau: it is by beeing connected. bots and script-kiddies see you and want to talk to you |
| 19:15.56 | valdyn | sidh: but were at ext4 and xfs today |
| 19:16.14 | tau | grand_grunt: is it common for a a chat ? since i got into the channel it has at least 20 min. |
| 19:16.20 | tau | grand_grunt: what |
| 19:16.31 | jelly-home | valdyn: do you trust any of those for use in production? |
| 19:16.34 | grand_grunt | tau: You answer to pings, first. If you pay your bandwidth, you may not. |
| 19:16.50 | sc | grand_grunt, tau: this has nothing to do with debian |
| 19:17.00 | grand_grunt | sc: right. |
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| 19:17.07 | tau | sc: hm ? |
| 19:17.08 | sidh | valdyn: i 'm mostly using BSD system, so I only choose FS that I can mount between these 2 OS in RW mode (ext3,reiserfs,ufs and ZFS are the main I use) |
| 19:17.10 | valdyn | jelly-home: i dont know, people do seem to trust xfs |
| 19:17.40 | OldParr | erasing and installing again will solve this ----> debian-station:/home/wayuu/c# virtualbox |
| 19:17.40 | OldParr | /usr/lib/virtualbox/VirtualBox: error while loading shared libraries: /usr/lib/virtualbox/VBoxRT.so: cannot restore segment prot after reloc: Permission denied |
| 19:18.26 | sidh | jelly-home: if i start my debian installation from a lenny iso and upgrade then to squeeze, does squeeze would be able to boot on reiserfs then ? |
| 19:18.28 | valdyn | sidh: you can use ext3 with faster settings and with the ext4 driver |
| 19:18.32 | jelly-home | sidh: ext3 is the safe option. reiserfs has multiple issues. I hope your backups are working. |
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| 19:18.56 | valdyn | sidh: ext3 defaults to safer settings than reiserfs, but you can "tune" it to use reiserfs write policies |
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| 19:20.54 | valdyn | oddly intel ( meego/moblin ) already use btrfs for next releases |
| 19:21.15 | sidh | valdyn: ok , it is for a HTPC box, so FS performance won't be crucial, I go with ext3 then |
| 19:21.41 | Maxxie | geeks :) |
| 19:21.47 | sidh | valdyn: jelly-home thanks for your advice |
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| 19:25.02 | OldParr | why virtualbox does not starts? -------> http://pastebin.com/AFDeh6Zj |
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| 19:25.20 | kispaci | hi I am Debian user and I have a question: I find web based folder sync tool |
| 19:26.05 | kispaci | OldParr: is the daemon user access to this file? |
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| 19:30.14 | OldParr | kispaci: debian-station:/home/wayuu/c# ls -l /usr/lib/virtualbox/VBoxRT.so |
| 19:30.15 | OldParr | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 425680 nov 7 2008 /usr/lib/virtualbox/VBoxRT.so |
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| 19:33.36 | kispaci | OldParr: is SELinux installed? |
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| 19:36.40 | jelly-home | OldParr: or a nondefault kernel? |
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| 19:37.03 | jelly-home | !qotd0 |
| 19:37.03 | dpkg | <robin_sz> where can I get debian for windows XP? |
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| 19:38.09 | Maxxie | debian 4 windows? :D |
| 19:38.12 | Maxxie | hahha |
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| 19:43.15 | lfs | So if my video card is not supported I can't get X? |
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| 19:43.36 | abrotman | the vesa driver doesn't work ? |
| 19:43.53 | lfs | How to get the vesa driver working? |
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| 19:44.50 | OldParr | kispaci: yes selinux was the problem |
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| 19:45.12 | Maxxie | selinux is sux :) |
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| 19:46.01 | OldParr | jelly-home: a temporailly "setenforce 0" solved the problem. |
| 19:46.01 | lfs | My monitor is out of scan range |
| 19:46.19 | sundaysatan | i'm using a for loop to assign the result of a grep to a variable but the variable keeps being concatenated with the next result instead of replaced, how do i fix this? |
| 19:46.24 | lfs | I think X thinks that it is working. |
| 19:46.53 | lfs | Maybe I should buy a new monitor. |
| 19:47.45 | abrotman | lfs: lspci -nn | grep VGA |
| 19:47.54 | jelly-home | OldParr: and this is why debian doesn't yet support it |
| 19:47.55 | abrotman | sundaysatan: #bash |
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| 19:48.01 | sundaysatan | they banned me |
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| 19:48.37 | jelly-home | !bash guide |
| 19:48.48 | jelly-home | hmph. |
| 19:48.53 | jelly-home | !bash intro |
| 19:48.59 | lfs | VGA compatible controller |
| 19:49.18 | lfs | ATI technologies |
| 19:49.54 | abrotman | that's not what it says |
| 19:49.57 | jelly-home | lfs: paste the whole line, including whee widdle hexadecimal numbers |
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| 19:50.37 | lfs | How to paste the line here. I am using ircII |
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| 19:51.46 | jelly-home | type it in, then |
| 19:52.25 | kispaci | cool OldParr...... and anybody for my question? (web based folder sync application) |
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| 19:55.05 | lfs | 07:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: ATI technologies 07:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: ATI technologies |
| 19:55.13 | jelly-home | lfs: if you're running your irc client on the same machine, you can use /exec -o somecomand |
| 19:55.45 | lfs | INC Device [1002:aa38] |
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| 19:56.16 | jelly-home | judd: pciid 1002:aa38 |
| 19:56.16 | judd | [1002:aa38] is 'RV710/730' from 'ATI Technologies Inc' with kernel modules 'ati-agp', 'snd-hda-intel' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1002:aa38 and the out-of-tree 'snd-hda-intel' module. |
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| 19:56.28 | lfs | 07:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: ATI Technologies Inc Device [1002:9498] |
| 19:56.39 | jelly-home | judd: pciid 1002:9498 |
| 19:56.40 | judd | [1002:9498] is 'RV730 PRO [Radeon HD 4650]' from 'ATI Technologies Inc' with kernel module 'ati-agp' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1002:9498 http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary and the out-of-tree 'fglrx' module. |
| 19:56.51 | aguitel_ | i install ati propietaries driver for hd3200 in squeeze ,but not 3D get ,anyone know this ussue ? |
| 19:56.54 | jelly-home | that's the one. |
| 19:57.41 | lfs | THats my card Radeon 4650 |
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| 20:02.13 | aguitel_ | i install ati propietaries driver for hd3200 in squeeze ,but not 3D get ,anyone know this ussue ? |
| 20:02.34 | lfs | So I am out of luck? |
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| 20:06.12 | bolt | aguitel_: what is your native language? |
| 20:06.26 | aguitel_ | bolt, spanish |
| 20:06.30 | bolt | !spanish |
| 20:06.30 | dpkg | Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat |
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| 20:08.14 | grand_grunt | How to set OpenBoot vars so as to boot correctly on Debian? If I say "boot disk0" to openboot it works, but setting "boot-device" to "disk0" doesn't. |
| 20:08.37 | lfs | Should I have looked at those websites? |
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| 20:09.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | might be an idea? What kernel module is loaded on your machine now? |
| 20:09.42 | lfs | Anybody still there on my issue? |
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| 20:10.43 | jelly-home | still where? |
| 20:10.59 | lfs | Any answer? |
| 20:11.24 | lfs | I saw some websites but I have no access to browser but Lynnx |
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| 20:13.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | you probably needn't bother with the website in this case... not much known about your card |
| 20:13.24 | lfs | So I am out of luck? |
| 20:13.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | this referred you to the ati-agp driver or flgrx... and I don't know if they work |
| 20:14.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | I asked you what module you have right now |
| 20:14.16 | lfs | I should have researched the card better before I put it in the machine |
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| 20:14.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | you should definitely be able to get vesa to work, but of course with the usual backdraws |
| 20:14.54 | lfs | How to do that? |
| 20:15.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | first thing really, what driver is used now? |
| 20:15.35 | lfs | How to tell that? |
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| 20:15.46 | pkkm | I'm installing newest Debian Lenny in expert mode. The installer asks me to choose my Ethernet card's driver (Ethernet card is an old Xircom PCMCIA modem). But when I select xirc2ps_cs, the installer asks me again and again. Is there any way I can force this driver? |
| 20:16.01 | grand_grunt | lfs: lsmod | grep video |
| 20:17.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | you sure that works? I have nvidia loaded and that doesn't have "vidio" anywhere |
| 20:17.11 | lfs | that brings no joy |
| 20:17.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | /var/log/Xorg.0.log should tell you what x uses |
| 20:18.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps grep LoadModule /var/log/Xorg.0.log - that's not the kernel module, though (if there is one |
| 20:18.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | you also said you generated xorg.conf |
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| 20:19.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | then it should say "Driver <something>" in the section Device |
| 20:19.38 | lfs | that is a big file |
| 20:20.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | this is lenny? |
| 20:20.25 | OldParr | if you keep your debian updated you will never need to install a new CD or DVD in order to have the newest version? |
| 20:20.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions pastebinit |
| 20:20.29 | judd | pastebinit -- lenny: 0.10-2; sid: 1.1-2; squeeze: 1.1-2 |
| 20:20.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | hmpf |
| 20:21.10 | lfs | It is showing VESA driver on that file |
| 20:21.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | OldParr, as long you have network, you don't need CD/DVD (except of course if you install non-debian stuff) |
| 20:21.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | ok |
| 20:21.31 | lfs | Under section Device it shows driver "vesa" |
| 20:22.15 | lfs | this is in /root/xorg.config.new |
| 20:22.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, now you can choose to get that to work, which is probably not very hard (but no 3D acceleration, relatively low resolution and maybe some other limitations I forgot), or try the ati-agp (open source) or flgrx (from ati) |
| 20:22.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | lfs, that's not active |
| 20:23.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | you're supposed to mv or cp that file to /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 20:23.04 | lfs | What do I do? |
| 20:23.29 | lfs | So that is the active one? |
| 20:23.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | /etc/X11/xorg.conf is used when it's present |
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| 20:24.01 | OldParr | since i debian 3 releases of ubuntu has passed |
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| 20:24.20 | OldParr | since i have debian 3 releases of ubuntu has passed .... |
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| 20:24.45 | lfs | that file is not there. |
| 20:24.54 | lfs | SO just cp it in? |
| 20:25.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | if you want to use it, yes |
| 20:25.13 | lfs | I don't see any choice. |
| 20:25.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | what monitor do you have - do you still have the docu? |
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| 20:27.15 | lfs | I do have an xorg.conf already |
| 20:27.52 | Iran | hi, i have asked this qs like few hrs back, but i didnt underestand it well could someone please explain it for little more? http://pastebin.org/342301 thanks in advance |
| 20:28.51 | lfs | I have an old Sony lcd |
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| 20:29.53 | lfs | After I cp the file do I need to restart X? |
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| 20:34.25 | grand_grunt | lfs: yes |
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| 20:41.23 | solar_sea | I have lenny i386 installed on an eeepc, now I've added a pin for lenny backports and installed xfce4. However, all the icons in the xfce menu are missing (are a simple doc with a big red X in it). What package do I need to install to get them to show properly ? |
| 20:42.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | lfs, you should check horizontal and vertical sync values in that xorg.conf with what your monitor supports |
| 20:42.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | you can mostly google it, if you lack the original documentation, but "old sony lcd" alone won't do it |
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| 20:44.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | dunno... look through apt-cache search xfce --names-only? |
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| 20:45.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | might also be an issue with configuration files... if you had some other version installed previously |
| 20:46.03 | solar_sea | I've basically installed all xfce4* stuff, so I believe they are in another package |
| 20:46.36 | solar_sea | also, prior to pinning lenny-backports I haven't installed it all |
| 20:47.30 | kispaci | anybody know a good backup software that is web based and support FTP transfer? |
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| 20:51.02 | solar_sea | the solution was to install tango-icon-theme and gnome-icon-theme, found it on xfce forums. |
| 20:51.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, interesting |
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| 20:53.35 | JordiGH | I'm getting a bunch of messages at boot that look like "udevd-work[521]: kernel-provided name 'uinput' and NAME='input/uinput' disagree, please use SYMLINK+= or change the kernel to provide the proper name." |
| 20:53.42 | JordiGH | Although nothing seems to malfunction. |
| 20:53.45 | JordiGH | What's going on? |
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| 20:56.24 | dk | Hi all! I'm trying to backport VLC 1.0.6 (much newer version) into Lenny. I also would like to compile all of its dependencies on Lenny. Is there a way to automate this? (Compiling all of the depedencies and VLC itself on Lenny, but using the versions of said dependencies and VLC from the experimental branch, preferrably not having to download and take care of each depedency individually, rather so that something would automate it.) |
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| 20:56.53 | JordiGH | dk: You probably can script it somewhat with the use of apt-get build-dep. |
| 20:57.02 | JordiGH | dk: Otherwise, #gentoo is that way -----> |
| 20:57.24 | dk | JordiGH: but doesn't build-dep only use binaries? |
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| 20:57.36 | tralala | any ideas why X (and hal) won't take the XKB options for /etc/default/keyboard? |
| 20:57.39 | JordiGH | dk: Right, you'll have to script it. |
| 20:58.12 | dk | JordiGH: ah. and I'm not running Gentoo, so what do they have to do with this? ;) |
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| 20:58.40 | JordiGH | dk: Dunno, sounds like you want to compile your own gcc too. |
| 20:58.48 | dk | JordiGH: nope, i don't... |
| 20:59.01 | dk | JordiGH: just VLC and all of the codecs/demuxers and whatnot |
| 20:59.05 | JordiGH | But it's a build dependency... where should it bottom out? |
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| 20:59.18 | JordiGH | The dependencies will have depencies, y'know. |
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| 20:59.52 | dk | JordiGH: well, the source packages don't depend on specific versions of GCC. |
| 21:00.33 | JordiGH | No, but they'll depend on other things. |
| 21:00.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions vlc |
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| 21:01.02 | judd | vlc -- etch: 0.8.6-svn20061012.debian-5.1+etch3; etch-security: 0.8.6-svn20061012.debian-5.1+etch3; lenny: 0.8.6.h-4+lenny2; lenny-security: 0.8.6.h-4+lenny2.3; sid: 1.0.6-1; squeeze: 1.0.6-1 |
| 21:01.24 | dk | right. I need the sid version of VLC on lenny. |
| 21:01.41 | JordiGH | Ack, you're trying to do a backport. |
| 21:01.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | dk, there is a package to help you with this... didn't really work well when I tried it, though |
| 21:01.52 | dk | CutMeOwnThroat: what was it? i'll try it out |
| 21:01.57 | JordiGH | !simple sid backport |
| 21:01.57 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <backports.org>. If unavailable: 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list 2) enable backports.org (see <bpo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 21:02.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's the problem... I don't remember :) |
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| 21:02.51 | JordiGH | dk: Do you really need to recompile dependencies as well? Or do you just want a backport? |
| 21:03.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | dk, srcinst |
| 21:03.17 | dk | JordiGH: well, if the older dependencies work fine with the newer VLC, i'm fine with that. |
| 21:03.26 | JordiGH | dk: Try that first ^^ |
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| 21:03.38 | dk | JordiGH: will do that now ;) |
| 21:03.41 | JordiGH | dk: And only backport the dependencies you absolutely need to. |
| 21:03.47 | abrotman | he already is trying to backport it? |
| 21:03.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | dk, well, yes - would be a good idea to check the dependencies and possibly adjust them... |
| 21:03.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | "already" |
| 21:04.01 | dk | CutMeOwnThroat: right |
| 21:04.08 | JordiGH | dk: This is bound to be a lot of work, though. |
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| 21:04.17 | dk | JordiGH: i understand that ;) |
| 21:04.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | dk, I think it's not rare for maintainers to choose <= the version in testing although it might not be strictly necessary |
| 21:04.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | * version in testing at the time of their compile |
| 21:05.06 | dk | CutMeOwnThroat: ah, okay |
| 21:05.07 | JordiGH | CutMeOwnThroat: It's usually ${shlibs:Depends} that does that. |
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| 21:05.37 | JordiGH | CutMeOwnThroat: Well, for runtime deps. There's a reason why -dev packages don't have sonames in their packagename. |
| 21:06.44 | JordiGH | e.g. to not make it hellish to backport with older libs that may work just fine. |
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| 21:06.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | JordiGH, yes - but every lib you can keep using from lenny is one you don't need to backport? |
| 21:07.08 | JordiGH | CutMeOwnThroat: Unless there's a packaging bug, yeah, right? |
| 21:07.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | there are no packaging bugs |
| 21:07.24 | JordiGH | If you build against stable libraries and it links fine, there's a good chance all will be well. |
| 21:07.44 | JordiGH | CutMeOwnThroat: Or were you getting segfaults with your backported VLC? |
| 21:07.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... except in ubuntu :-P |
| 21:08.01 | dk | Can I tell build-dep to build the dependencies for a newer version of the package? |
| 21:08.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | I didn't backport vlc |
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| 21:08.26 | JordiGH | What's funny is that Ubuntu has a packaging policy that is very similar to Debian's. Surely they're just as strict as Debian about enforcing policy? |
| 21:08.57 | JordiGH | dk: aptitude build-dep only fetches binary packages. Can VLC's build-deps not be satisfied in lenny? |
| 21:09.41 | dk | JordiGH: well, what i'm saying is that I want to do build-dep on VLC, but if I just run build-dep in Lenny, it will run it for the VLC in lenny, not the VLC in sid. |
| 21:09.47 | infid | md5 is stronger than DES right? |
| 21:10.02 | JordiGH | dk: aptitude build-dep vlc/sid |
| 21:10.07 | dk | JordiGH: ah, thanks |
| 21:10.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | I have no idea... I was just kidding... and hitting the ones who're not here and can't hit back :) |
| 21:10.21 | JordiGH | Or aptitude -t unstable build-dep vlc |
| 21:10.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | dk, -t testing? |
| 21:10.46 | dk | CutMeOwnThroat: nah, i need 1.0.6 (sid) |
| 21:10.50 | JordiGH | testing is unstable lite |
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| 21:11.05 | abrotman | 1.0.6 is in testing also |
| 21:11.06 | dk | "Unable to find archive "sid" for package "vlc"." |
| 21:11.09 | JordiGH | dk: Right now testing and unstable VLC is the same one. |
| 21:11.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | dk, I was answering your question... apt-get build-deb -t testing |
| 21:11.29 | JordiGH | dk: You didn't enable a deb-src for unstable? |
| 21:11.35 | JordiGH | dk: Try /unstable instead |
| 21:11.37 | dk | ah, i need to do that, huh ;) |
| 21:11.54 | ElDiabolo | I have found that wine-unstable on my amd64 squeeze does not use my ia32 libGL dri libs. Is this a bug or anincompatibility between wine-unstable and testing? |
| 21:11.57 | dk | so /unstable won't work if i don't add unstable to sources.list, right? |
| 21:11.58 | JordiGH | dk: Yes, read the bot factoid. |
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| 21:12.13 | JordiGH | But only add deb-src to your sources.list, not deb |
| 21:12.20 | dk | gotcha |
| 21:13.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | dk, did you look at srcinst? |
| 21:13.07 | ElDiabolo | http://paste.debian.net/78067/ |
| 21:13.17 | dk | CutMeOwnThroat: yes, it failed with some random bash error 10 seconds in |
| 21:13.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | good stuff |
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| 21:13.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's also apt-src and possibly something in devscripts |
| 21:16.18 | dk | When aptitude gives you a solution score, what does that mean? |
| 21:16.34 | JordiGH | How much it likes what it's about to do. |
| 21:16.46 | JordiGH | I actually don't think it's documented what it really means, so utsl if you want to know. |
| 21:16.55 | dk | ah okay |
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| 21:17.22 | JordiGH | The score is used to rank solutions, in number of which one it will offer first. |
| 21:17.57 | dk | i see |
| 21:18.24 | abrotman | huh? |
| 21:18.39 | JordiGH | abrotman: Are they documented now? I don't think they were about a year ago. |
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| 21:19.28 | JordiGH | wishes foo-doc packages would be uniform about placing the actual docs in /usr/share/doc/foo-doc or /usr/share/doc/foo |
| 21:19.33 | abrotman | i didn't say they were .. so i'm no tsure how you decided it was a "ranking" |
| 21:19.53 | JordiGH | abrotman: It seems to offer solutions ordered by that number, iirc. |
| 21:20.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps somewhere in the aptitude-doc package it says what exactly it means? |
| 21:20.16 | JordiGH | Ooh, libc upgrade. |
| 21:20.21 | JordiGH | Those always make me nervous. |
| 21:20.25 | JordiGH | OKs it. |
| 21:20.30 | dk | Does aptitude have any knowledge of what the source package's runtime dependencies are? (instead of build-dependencies) |
| 21:20.43 | JordiGH | dk: Sure, aptitude show | grep Depend |
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| 21:20.49 | JordiGH | aptitude show vlc | grep Depend |
| 21:20.50 | abrotman | JordiGH: ISTR it's something like positive numbers seem to be a better solution, and negative numbers are less so, but still the negative might be what you want |
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| 21:21.25 | JordiGH | But those many of those runtime dependencies are created at build time, dk, so they might not be meaningful. |
| 21:21.28 | maix | I have an update-manager icon in the notification area saying there is one update available, however there is none. It does not go away with aptitude update / safe-upgrade. using lenny with testing included in sources.list but pinned to -1. |
| 21:21.48 | JordiGH | !wtf istr |
| 21:21.50 | dpkg | ISTR: I seem to recall |
| 21:21.58 | dk | JordiGH: ah. i see |
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| 21:22.45 | abrotman | the lower scores might also be more 'complicated' |
| 21:24.06 | JordiGH | Let's read the source and document those scores. |
| 21:24.19 | abrotman | go for it |
| 21:24.44 | JordiGH | Which aptitude has the gtk frontend? |
| 21:24.53 | JordiGH | Is it still in experimental? |
| 21:25.57 | JordiGH | Oh, duh, aptitude-gtk |
| 21:26.03 | JordiGH | It's already in testing. |
| 21:26.13 | peterrooney | JordiGH: those runtime dependencies (created at build time) are listed when you run 'apt-cache show <package>' |
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| 21:26.24 | JordiGH | peterrooney: Or aptitude show |
| 21:26.34 | JohnD | what media player will play .avi? |
| 21:26.36 | JordiGH | abrotman: There's an RC bug for fceu. I remember you cared about games. Do you care about this one? |
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| 21:26.43 | abrotman | JohnD: any should |
| 21:26.48 | peterrooney | JohnD: xine, at the least. |
| 21:26.51 | JohnD | thats what i thought |
| 21:26.53 | abrotman | JordiGH: the nintendo emulator? |
| 21:26.54 | lindi- | JohnD: that can contain many different formats |
| 21:27.01 | JordiGH | abrotman: Yeah. |
| 21:27.01 | JordiGH | abrotman: There's an RC |
| 21:27.12 | valdyn | maix: maybe you should read about what safe-upgrade means - that is in the manpage |
| 21:27.18 | abrotman | i'm sure there is .. jello (the maintainer IIRC) comes around once in awhile |
| 21:27.29 | JordiGH | jello isn't jelly, right? |
| 21:27.34 | abrotman | no |
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| 21:28.10 | maix | valdyn: I know, it does not show something in the held back section |
| 21:28.11 | brokendatapoint | abrotman: sup, how's things? |
| 21:28.17 | JohnD | i only need xine console? |
| 21:28.18 | abrotman | okay? |
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| 21:29.10 | tralala | any idea why hal won't get the XKB settings from /etc/default/keyboard? |
| 21:29.27 | abrotman | tralala: didn't you just ask on OFTC ? |
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| 21:29.57 | brokendatapoint | using Debian Lenny 2.6.26-2-amd64, to check where my USB is mounted, I type "mount", and to unmount it i would type umount /proc/bus/usb? |
| 21:30.13 | lindi- | brokendatapoint: usb hard disk? |
| 21:30.23 | JordiGH | borfd: pmount is easier. |
| 21:30.41 | tralala | abrotman: yes |
| 21:30.44 | abrotman | brokendatapoint: umount <mountpoint or device> |
| 21:30.54 | JordiGH | borfd: pmount /dev/sd?? to mount it, pumount sd?? to unmount it, no root needed. |
| 21:31.04 | JordiGH | Just have to be in the plugdev group, iirc. |
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| 21:31.33 | tralala | abrotman: and here as well a while ago. I'm really puzzled. According to the docs editing the file and restarting hal should do the trick, but it doesn't for me. |
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| 21:33.24 | JohnD | noatun should play .avi by default? |
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| 21:33.35 | JordiGH | abrotman: The fceu package hasn't been updated in 3 years ó.ò |
| 21:35.00 | brokendatapoint | lindi-: no usb thumb drive |
| 21:35.24 | abrotman | JordiGH: the bug says there's a package at mentors |
| 21:35.25 | JordiGH | Ack, great, source tarball of upstream's fceu has perms 755 set on every file. |
| 21:35.29 | lindi- | brokendatapoint: then it has nothing to do with /proc/bus/usb |
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| 21:35.57 | brokendatapoint | abrotman: thanks |
| 21:36.12 | brokendatapoint | lindi-: thanks |
| 21:36.13 | JordiGH | abrotman: Oh, that's new. |
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| 21:38.37 | JordiGH | Re squeeze: "which is expected to be released this year." |
| 21:38.46 | JordiGH | Hah, fat chance. |
| 21:38.50 | JordiGH | Not even frozen yet. |
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| 21:40.25 | dk | I thought of a good solution for my problem. Modify my sources.list to include the unstable deb-src, create a cow chroot, do an aptitude build-dep vlc there, then do aptitude source vlc, compile and install it. |
| 21:41.08 | dk | One question though. How can I clean up the build dependencies once I've compiled VLC? |
| 21:41.18 | dsockwell | How do I use autofs with /etc/auto.net to mount NFS shares from hosts in /etc/hosts ? am I wrong to try that? |
| 21:41.22 | dk | (But leave the run-time dependencies.) |
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| 21:41.58 | JordiGH | Uh. |
| 21:42.04 | JordiGH | I think aptitude build-dep vlc- will do it. |
| 21:42.14 | JordiGH | But that can't be right, because here it tries to remove a lot of other crap. |
| 21:42.27 | JordiGH | Test with -s first to see what aptitude will do. ;-) |
| 21:42.49 | abrotman | JordiGH: it's only June |
| 21:43.12 | dk | JordiGH: will do. |
| 21:43.17 | JordiGH | abrotman: Freeze time has been average about 7 months, hasn't it? And we aren't even close enough to freezing yet. |
| 21:43.23 | abrotman | we aren't? |
| 21:43.35 | JordiGH | is being pessimistic. |
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| 21:43.51 | JordiGH | What was the freeze announced in d-d-a? |
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| 21:44.51 | JordiGH | Hm, freeze on transitions. What does that mean? Partial freeze? |
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| 21:46.06 | JohnD | can i set aspect ratio in noatun? |
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| 21:47.07 | rxKaffee | is there a switch for apt-get that can be used when doing a 'remove XYZ', to prevent uninstallation of packages that depend on XYZ? |
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| 21:47.49 | JordiGH | rxKaffee: You want to break your system? If you want to break it, use dpkg and force. |
| 21:48.04 | rxKaffee | JordiGH: want to re-install a package, that is already most current version |
| 21:48.15 | JordiGH | rxKaffee: Then aptitude reinstall package |
| 21:48.49 | rxKaffee | reinstall... ah, not avail to apt-get? |
| 21:49.05 | JordiGH | I think it's apt-get install --reinstall package, but it's been a long time since I've used apt-get. |
| 21:49.24 | JordiGH | rxKaffee: Note that this won't give you the maintainer's configs, though. |
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| 21:50.55 | Iran | hi, i have asked this qs like few hrs back, but i didnt underestand it well could someone please explain it for little more? http://pastebin.org/342301 thanks in advance |
| 21:51.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | "/msg dpkg confmiss" if you want to reset configuration to the ones of the package |
| 21:51.28 | abrotman | Iran: you want something like tcl8.3-dev |
| 21:52.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | is there a reason you're not using the eggdrop package? |
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| 21:52.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions eggdrop |
| 21:52.27 | judd | eggdrop -- etch: 1.6.18-1etch2; etch-security: 1.6.18-1etch2; lenny: 1.6.19-1.1+lenny1; lenny-security: 1.6.19-1.1+lenny1; sid: 1.6.19-1.2; squeeze: 1.6.19-1.2 |
| 21:52.56 | dk | When aptitude tells me "Unable to satisfy the build-depends:" and lists off a bunch of packages, I shouldn't continue, should I? |
| 21:53.09 | JohnD | can i set debian to auto poweroff at specified time? |
| 21:53.19 | lindi- | dk: you mean apt-get? |
| 21:53.23 | JordiGH | JohnD: Sure, use cron or at(1) |
| 21:53.32 | dk | lindi-: nope, aptitude |
| 21:53.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | dk, is this squeeze? |
| 21:53.43 | Iran | sso what i have to do |
| 21:53.43 | lindi- | dk: cool, it knows about build-dependencies now? |
| 21:53.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | not in lenny... |
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| 21:53.59 | JordiGH | dk: It probably means that the unstable vlc does have a build-dep that you can't satisfy in lenny. |
| 21:54.08 | dk | JordiGH: ah. great. ;) |
| 21:54.10 | Iran | folks Im new in Debian would you please tell ehat to do ? |
| 21:54.15 | JohnD | i dont understand Jordi, I am new :s |
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| 21:54.20 | JohnD | whats Cron? |
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| 21:54.55 | dk | CutMeOwnThroat: i'm actually on hardy right now (same libc as lenny). |
| 21:55.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, so you got lost |
| 21:55.25 | JordiGH | JohnD: cron is a daemon that runs scheduled tasks. at is similar but only runs one specified command at a specified time. at(1) means look at the manpage in section 1 for at, i.e. type "man 1 at" or often just "man at". |
| 21:55.34 | JordiGH | dk: wat |
| 21:55.37 | JordiGH | dk: You're on Ubuntu? |
| 21:55.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | Iran, how about you do "aptitude install eggdrop"? |
| 21:55.52 | JordiGH | GUARDS! SEIZE HIM! |
| 21:56.03 | JohnD | thanks Jordi |
| 21:56.10 | dk | JordiGH: am now, I transitioned to another computer |
| 21:56.18 | JordiGH | eyes dk suspiciously. |
| 21:57.16 | Iran | CutMeOwnThroat i got liek this Reading task descriptions... Done E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13 ermission denied) |
| 21:57.16 | Iran | E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root? |
| 21:57.27 | dk | JordiGH: what have you against Ubuntu? |
| 21:57.27 | JohnD | i just had a thought, can i use KTimer Jordi? |
| 21:57.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, are you root? |
| 21:57.38 | Iran | yes |
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| 21:57.51 | JordiGH | dk: It's not Debian and if you ask for Ubuntu help in a Debian channel, it's going to be frustrating because it changes things in ways we might not expect. |
| 21:57.55 | abrotman | Iran: is the prompt a $ or a # ? |
| 21:57.57 | JordiGH | !based on debian |
| 21:57.57 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't know what changes were made by your distribution and it probably falls short of Debian's standards. #debian only supports Debian; you should respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
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| 21:58.33 | JordiGH | JohnD: You might, never used KTimer. |
| 21:58.36 | dk | JordiGH: ah, i gotcha. back to my debian computer then, and i'll continue from there. |
| 21:58.38 | JohnD | oh i cant use KTimer to run command because i need root to poweroff right? |
| 21:58.44 | abrotman | dk: if we give you instructions to backport on debian, it could seriously mess up an ubuntu box |
| 21:58.47 | JordiGH | JohnD: JohnD: If you do "at teatime halt -n" (probably with root privs), your system will shutdown at teatime. |
| 21:58.58 | lindi- | dk: lack of support for source packages is the number one reason why i'm still using apt-get and not aptitude |
| 21:58.59 | hid3 | Hello. Anyone running a debian mirror? Anyone using ftpsync to synchronize it? I have a question regarding it... |
| 21:59.17 | wpgmb | It seems that the last update on my 64bit squeeze system broke CUPS. I see an error message that the backend failed, but I have no clue how to start fixing that. Any suggestions? |
| 21:59.18 | abrotman | lindi-: that's pretty much the only reason |
| 21:59.26 | Iran | CutMeOwnThroat i did it with no error now what shall i do? |
| 21:59.28 | JohnD | i can change teatime to something like 00:00?? |
| 21:59.30 | abrotman | lindi-: and for your normal package suppport, aptitude is better |
| 21:59.32 | dk | lindi-: ah okay |
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| 21:59.34 | dk | will brb |
| 21:59.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | Iran, nothing... that's it |
| 21:59.57 | JordiGH | dk: A big difference is that I think aptitude is not the recommended package manager in Ubuntu but it is on Debian, although this might have changed. |
| 21:59.59 | lindi- | abrotman: aptitude is also a lot slower |
| 22:00.02 | Iran | thanks :) |
| 22:00.08 | abrotman | lindi-: it also does a lot more |
| 22:00.18 | abrotman | has much better problem resolution |
| 22:00.22 | lindi- | abrotman: it won't if my batter runs out :) |
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| 22:01.28 | JordiGH | JohnD: Sure, you can change teatime to anything uncivlised. |
| 22:01.49 | JordiGH | But teatime should be four o'clock. |
| 22:01.57 | hid3 | No one hosting a debian mirror here?! I just don''t want to believe debian isn't popular anymore! :( |
| 22:02.08 | Iran | CutMeOwnThroat I cant do ./configure getting following error Eggdrop requires Tcl to compile. If you already have Tcl installed on |
| 22:02.09 | Iran | this system, and I just wasn't looking in the right place for it, re-run |
| 22:02.09 | Iran | ./configure using the --with-tcllib='/path/to/libtcl.so' and |
| 22:02.10 | Iran | --with-tclinc='/path/to/tcl.h' options. |
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| 22:02.20 | lindi- | hid3: i'm using approx and reprepro |
| 22:02.22 | Iran | ops sorry |
| 22:02.31 | lindi- | hid3: never heard of ftpsync |
| 22:02.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | Iran, just call it with... "eggdrop" you don't need to compile it, it's already installed (probably need to configure it, but I never used it, so I don't know what you need to do) |
| 22:02.52 | JohnD | at: invalid option -- n |
| 22:03.13 | Iran | CutMeOwnThroat Thanks :) |
| 22:03.47 | JordiGH | D: |
| 22:03.53 | wpgmb | It seems that the last update on my 64bit squeeze system broke CUPS. I see an error message that the backend failed, but I have no clue how to start fixing that. Any suggestions? |
| 22:03.54 | JordiGH | Looks like at no longer understands teatime. |
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| 22:04.08 | JohnD | i didnt put teatime |
| 22:04.16 | JohnD | i change to 23:05 |
| 22:04.25 | hid3 | lindi-: it's the script suggested on the site to use for (official) mirroring purposes... |
| 22:04.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | wpgmb, check the bts if someone who did know what to do had a poke at it? |
| 22:04.36 | hid3 | sad you haven't hany experience with it |
| 22:04.53 | JordiGH | JohnD: Yeah, hold on, it's been a while since I've used at. Actually, since halt itself lets you specify the time, it's silly to use at. |
| 22:05.03 | lindi- | hid3: what are you trying to do btw? |
| 22:05.11 | wpgmb | huh? the bts? |
| 22:05.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | !bts |
| 22:05.22 | wpgmb | bulletins maybe? |
| 22:05.22 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges |
| 22:05.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | !btssmite wpgmb |
| 22:05.29 | dpkg | beats wpgmb around the head repeatedly with http://bugs.debian.org/ and apt-listbugs, along with a chainsaw if wpgmb is running testing or unstable |
| 22:05.32 | wpgmb | ah |
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| 22:05.37 | JordiGH | Oh, maybe it doesn't... |
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| 22:05.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | note chainsaw |
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| 22:06.19 | JordiGH | Oh, I was thinking of shutdown. |
| 22:06.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell wpgmb -about apt-listbugs |
| 22:06.40 | hid3 | lindi-: I've synced my mirror with ftpsync. But each time I have to edit the config and rerun the script to sync the debian-cd and debian-non-US. I wonder how do I sync all them in one... |
| 22:07.04 | lindi- | hid3: what's debian-non-US? |
| 22:07.14 | abrotman | it's non-existent now |
| 22:07.24 | lindi- | (exactly) |
| 22:07.25 | abrotman | hasn't existed since sarge |
| 22:07.28 | JordiGH | lindi-: It was when the US had stricter laws about exporting encryption. |
| 22:07.49 | hid3 | lindi-: some packages which are hosted outside the US. It's called a non-us source in the repository file |
| 22:08.00 | JordiGH | JohnD: "shutdown 23:05" should be sufficient. |
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| 22:08.11 | xand | hid3: it's gone |
| 22:08.12 | hid3 | abrotman: so no need to mirror it anymore? |
| 22:08.17 | JordiGH | No. |
| 22:08.31 | hid3 | hehe nice |
| 22:08.51 | JordiGH | tries out aptitude-gtk |
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| 22:09.49 | JohnD | thanks jordi ;) |
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| 22:10.07 | JohnD | why shutdown command, instead of poweroff? |
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| 22:10.37 | hid3 | personally I hate poweroff |
| 22:10.42 | bernie240 | i just got my fires x64 pc, a intel dual core e2200, which os should i run, amd64 or i386 |
| 22:10.44 | hid3 | I still use apt-get, though |
| 22:10.45 | JohnD | its the same command? |
| 22:10.56 | JohnD | if i type 'shutdown' it will do same job? |
| 22:11.06 | JohnD | as poweroff... |
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| 22:11.25 | hid3 | hell knows, I always use shutdown -h now |
| 22:11.36 | JohnD | ah |
| 22:11.49 | bernie240 | or ia64 |
| 22:11.52 | hid3 | worth to mention I hate to shutdown also |
| 22:11.53 | JordiGH | Hm, aptitude-gtk needs to be fixed for dark themes... |
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| 22:12.06 | JordiGH | JohnD: I think they mean different things. |
| 22:12.34 | JordiGH | JohnD: shutdown is nicer, I think. Sends warnings and gives processes time to clean up. |
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| 22:12.49 | viezerd | poweroff invokes shutdown command |
| 22:12.50 | JohnD | will 'reboot 12:12' work? |
| 22:13.18 | JordiGH | I don't think so. Reading its manpage, doesn't look like reboot lets you specify a time. |
| 22:13.20 | krynr | JohnD: no, but shutdown -r 12:12 |
| 22:13.31 | JohnD | ;) |
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| 22:16.25 | JordiGH | JohnD: Ah, figured out how at works. |
| 22:16.33 | JordiGH | It reads the commands from stdin. |
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| 22:16.49 | JordiGH | So you can do "at $time" hit enter, and then type what commands you want executed at that time. |
| 22:16.59 | JordiGH | Does ktimer do this too? |
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| 22:17.56 | JohnD | ktimer is a gui timer where u can run a command when timer is up |
| 22:17.58 | User_007 | dmesg : http://pastebin.org/344223 |
| 22:18.39 | User_007 | ops, sorry |
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| 22:23.34 | JordiGH | Hm, do KDE apps inherit the Qt look-and-feel settings, or do they have their own? |
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| 22:24.51 | themill | (topicdiff: etch is now archived) |
| 22:24.52 | JordiGH | Yeah, looks like non-KDE qt apps are using the theme I want (GTK), but KdE apps aren't. How do you fix this? |
| 22:25.44 | JohnD | in irssi, i have set the hilight_color to red and it still hilights users that say my name in a hardly visible bright yellow |
| 22:25.58 | JohnD | any ideas how to change this? |
| 22:26.33 | JohnD | i have used parameter 'red' as color |
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| 22:33.44 | s3a | why is it easier to install new programs in windows than in linux? |
| 22:33.53 | s3a | like if u have an old linux and an old windows |
| 22:34.00 | s3a | in the linux world u need to upgrade |
| 22:34.04 | s3a | but in windows u dont |
| 22:34.24 | s3a | im not complaining because i know package management in linux is better but id like to know as to why things are like that |
| 22:35.30 | lindi- | s3a: i think schroot is pretty easy way to run unstable programs safely from a stable system |
| 22:35.44 | lindi- | s3a: depends on what "easy" means |
| 22:35.49 | frostschutz | you lost me at "if u have an old linux" - in the windows world it may be expensive to buy a new license, and you may have to reinstall everything too, but in Linux it's usually free and painless to keep up-to-date |
| 22:36.24 | s3a | lindi-, what easy means is not having to compile countless dependencies |
| 22:37.27 | abrotman | compile? |
| 22:38.11 | lindi- | s3a: you don't need to compile anything with schroot |
| 22:38.35 | craigevil | JordiGH: gtk-qt-engine if you are runing kde, or qt4-qtconfig if you aren't |
| 22:38.42 | abrotman | s3a: maybe you should give more specific examples? |
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| 22:39.12 | s3a | lindi-, i have never heard of schroot in fact im still trying to figure out chroot itself |
| 22:39.13 | JordiGH | craigevil: Ah, probably uninstalled gtk-qt-engine when I uninstalled KDE. |
| 22:39.27 | JordiGH | But a few stray KDE apps stayed. |
| 22:39.34 | s3a | lindi-, ill actually look into schroot after |
| 22:40.17 | JordiGH | Hmm, looks like gtk-qt-engine-kde4 is installed. |
| 22:40.44 | JordiGH | craigevil: Any clue how to tell KDE from GNOME to use that? |
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| 22:41.18 | Chr1831 | Is there a way to hook into my system to call a bash script when my memory is running low? |
| 22:41.59 | craigevil | you can use qt4-qtconfig in Gnome to tell kde apps what theme to use, or qt3-qtconfig if you are on stable |
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| 22:42.52 | JordiGH | craigevil: Yeah, I did that, and Qt apps are obeying, but KDE apps aren't. |
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| 22:43.18 | JordiGH | There's some KDE system settings thingie. |
| 22:44.03 | lindi- | s3a: iki.fi/lindi/schroot.txt is my setup |
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| 22:45.50 | JordiGH | Found it, it's called systemsettings. |
| 22:45.53 | JordiGH | Without a K :-( |
| 22:46.12 | isfranc | Chr1831: cat /proc/meminfo |grep MemFree is a beginning |
| 22:46.16 | themill | JordiGH: that's because people kept complaining that they didn't like everything starting with a K |
| 22:46.35 | Chr1831 | isfranc, there is no builtin kernel module though? |
| 22:46.42 | JordiGH | themill: :-( |
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| 22:48.09 | JordiGH | has been spending the last 20 minutes looking for ksys* kconf* kcont* |
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| 22:50.12 | craigevil | gtk-qt-engine, kde-config-gtk-style, then can be configured within KDE4's systemsettings |
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| 22:51.28 | JordiGH | craigevil: Yeah, I couldn't find the last one. |
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| 22:56.37 | arand | How do I make iceweasel do urlbar searches on words, in addition to following urls? |
| 22:58.02 | JordiGH | What's a urlbar search? |
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| 23:02.57 | arand | JordiGH: If I type "debian" into firefox it concludes that it is not an url, and then tries, debian.com, debian.net, etc. and if that doesn't work, it makes a gogle search for it. |
| 23:03.27 | JordiGH | And what do you want it to do instead? |
| 23:03.39 | arand | Whereas iceweasel stops at it not being an url and shows not found. |
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| 23:03.52 | JordiGH | Oh. |
| 23:04.08 | arand | I basically want iceweasel to work like firefox default. |
| 23:04.18 | JordiGH | goes to void his warranty. |
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| 23:05.19 | arand | but all the relevant about:config settings seems to be exactly the same as far as I can tell... |
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| 23:05.44 | JordiGH | arand: I can only reproduce your behaviour if I'm using a proxy. Otherwise, it performs the searches you described. |
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| 23:06.06 | JordiGH | arand: So are you using a proxy? |
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| 23:06.15 | arand | Umhum, Let's check for that then... |
| 23:06.57 | themill | arand: aiui, if you type something into the URL bar that doesn't resolve, it does a google "I feel lucky" search. |
| 23:07.36 | arand | Ah, right... but no, setting IW to no proxy didn't make a diff |
| 23:07.56 | themill | (and it does that for me in iceweasel) |
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| 23:08.43 | bodom | Is there any setting by default in debian to ignore suid bit set on a bash script? |
| 23:09.09 | JordiGH | arand: Does it still happen if you load iceweasel with -safe-mode? |
| 23:09.28 | JordiGH | arand: Or temporarily rename your ~/.mozilla directory |
| 23:09.48 | arand | Hangon, it only fails if I use "debian" as a keyword o_= |
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| 23:10.02 | arand | What the heck? |
| 23:10.14 | JordiGH | Haha. |
| 23:10.24 | themill | arand: the hostname of your machine isn't "debian" is it? |
| 23:10.45 | arand | hum, might be.. |
| 23:10.49 | JordiGH | Might be? |
| 23:10.53 | JordiGH | You don't know your hostname? |
| 23:10.59 | arand | Indeed |
| 23:11.01 | JordiGH | What kind of Debian user are you? |
| 23:11.08 | JordiGH | Your computer needs a *soul* mean. |
| 23:11.12 | JordiGH | You gotta give it a name. |
| 23:11.15 | JordiGH | ... man |
| 23:11.20 | themill | arand: open up a terminal and run "hostname" |
| 23:11.20 | arand | I just installed it in a virtual machine, gimme some slack! |
| 23:11.38 | arand | It is "debian" indeed |
| 23:11.41 | JordiGH | And you clicked "next next next next" |
| 23:11.48 | JordiGH | No soul. |
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| 23:12.52 | JordiGH | This is a clear violation of RFC 1178. |
| 23:13.04 | arand | It's a virtual machine, it needs no soul. Since I don't want a heartwrenching funeral! |
| 23:14.45 | arand | Anyhow.. that was silly-simple, thanks for helping me realise it :D |
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| 23:15.09 | bolt | a machine named after an operating system is just... bizarre |
| 23:15.15 | bolt | poor box :( |
| 23:15.24 | jgh | It's not a box. |
| 23:15.27 | jgh | A shadow of a box. |
| 23:15.32 | jgh | A pale reflection, even. |
| 23:15.46 | bolt | reflections deserve rights! |
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| 23:21.35 | JordiGH | hopes the point of virtualising Debian wasn't to run Iceweasel instead of Firefox. |
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| 23:23.34 | arand | JordiGH: I'm checking if tasksel is equally zealous on debian as it is on ubuntu... |
| 23:24.30 | arand | And it would seem soo, although you have to coax it more.. |
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| 23:26.19 | handheldCar | is lenny main the same repo as lenny main non-free? |
| 23:27.00 | qq- | + contrib |
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| 23:27.08 | arand | Is it reasonable that if I install the tasks "desktop" and "gnome-desktop", and then subsequently remove the "desktop" task, that most of the requred packages for "gnome-desktop" should get stomped along with it? |
| 23:27.10 | ne7work | hello all.. |
| 23:27.14 | ne7work | please help me people :) |
| 23:27.28 | ne7work | i need some help with.. pppoe connection on netinst installation.. |
| 23:27.56 | ne7work | i don't know how to configure my pppoe connection to install from netinst cd? please someone help me i'm bulgarian and.. i don't write in google or somewhere because my english is not so good |
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| 23:32.38 | arand | Also, since the task management is possible through apt-get/aptitude, if there's a problem with it, where would the bug be? tasksel? apt? dpkg? |
| 23:33.02 | themill | arand: the tasks are still defined by tasksel |
| 23:33.41 | arand | Ok, good. Then I got that one right then. |
| 23:34.55 | arand | But yea.. Is it okay behaviour for one task to, upon removal, also remove major parts of another task? |
| 23:35.20 | themill | arand: the only real uses I've ever found for tasksel were (a) helping new users install standard package sets, (b) quickly dumping on a pile of things that I thought I'd probably need without having to think about it carefully and (c) making custom tasks. |
| 23:36.24 | arand | Well, I'm not really talking about whether or not it is useful, but whether or not it does what it does in a sane way... |
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| 23:37.08 | themill | you're spending a lot of time testing a tool that very few find useful.... |
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| 23:38.06 | arand | I'm trying to get to the root of, and hopefully prevent, this: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tasksel/+bug/574287 |
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| 23:40.23 | FunctorSalad | what'd be the preferred way to remap a given key to another system-wide? /etc/console-tools/remap? |
| 23:40.35 | arand | Since it takes tasksel from being a "not useful" tool, to being rather lethal in some cases (mainly ubuntu, since the overlap of the defined tasks i much greater.) |
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| 23:41.04 | s3a | how do i change the default size of a terminal window in GNOME? |
| 23:41.20 | FunctorSalad | and how do I regenerate the file derived from it? |
| 23:41.36 | themill | arand: it sounds a lot like a reason why ubuntu people should start using aptitude not some other apt frontend. That looks a lot like aptitude just cleaning up all the other packages that are on the system that are in a state that's ready for autoremoval. |
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| 23:43.06 | arand | themill: It is not. It is the handling of tasks that forcefully removes *everything* defined in the task. Even though other tasks may depend on those items as well. |
| 23:44.02 | themill | arand: then the reproduce instructions on that bug suck even worse than most things I find on launchpad. |
| 23:44.19 | themill | arand: have you got something better to help me reproduce this? |
| 23:44.49 | arand | themill: On debian it can be seen with gnome-desktop and desktop |
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| 23:45.10 | themill | bleh... I want to be able to do this without downloading gigabytes of data |
| 23:45.54 | arand | I don't think the other tasks has overlap on debian, unfortunately. |
| 23:46.18 | arand | Or actually, fortunately, really.. |
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| 23:48.39 | themill | arand: there's no overlap between those two tasks either from what I can see |
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| 23:49.52 | arand | Hmm, I'm trying to figure out where it actually gets the pckages in the tasks from... |
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| 23:50.54 | themill | arand: tasksel comes with a handy -t option. And there's /usr/share/tasksel/ |
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| 23:52.24 | arand | Yes, however, -t doesn't show all of what is going to happen, by far. best is to simply do "aptitude --simulate remove/install ~t^taskname" |
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| 23:52.54 | themill | except that's not what tasksel calls for removal. |
| 23:53.52 | arand | Well the debconf-thingy is only for the ncurses interface isn't it? And -y and -q is irrelevant? |
| 23:54.56 | themill | Have you actually run tasksel -t remove? |
| 23:55.51 | arand | I have run "sudo tasksel -t" unmarked an option and then okayed |
| 23:56.33 | themill | arand: and it's using aptitude remove ~t then? |
| 23:58.17 | themill | arand: anyway... this is quite OT for #debian. You're chasing bugs in the ubuntu version of tasksel and the ubuntu version forked off the debian version 3 1/2 years ago from what I can see. Perhaps the #ubuntu-devel people can help. |
