| 00:00.45 | arand | Hmm, ah, I was wrong about the remove, it does packages explicitly there, just the install that does the whole ~t^* thingy. But I don't know if it makes a difference... Anyways, I should probably come back when I have got a proper bug report in order, since this needs much more poking. |
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| 00:11.52 | jpinx-eeepc | after resuming from suspend overnight my filesystem appears to be read-only and I get " bash: /bin/mount: Input/output error " Any ideas ? |
| 00:12.39 | jpinx-eeepc | or am I into the window$ solution - reboot and hope? |
| 00:12.58 | RichiH | with that error, you can only reboot |
| 00:13.08 | RichiH | but look into /var/log/messages and dmesg |
| 00:13.13 | RichiH | you might find a cause |
| 00:13.37 | RichiH | (you can try mount -o remount,rw /) |
| 00:13.47 | jpinx-eeepc | RichiH: yea - look at this -- bash: /bin/dmesg: Input/output error |
| 00:14.08 | RichiH | cool. that means you can't even read the binary from the disk |
| 00:14.19 | RichiH | you are down to stuff that is in your memory, already |
| 00:14.27 | jpinx-eeepc | ouch |
| 00:14.33 | jpinx-eeepc | I can read syslog... |
| 00:14.44 | jpinx-eeepc | hang on and I'll see if I can paste |
| 00:15.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | disk died? |
| 00:15.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's that SSD laptop? |
| 00:16.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | jpinx-eeepc, now you can check if you can still read a broken ssd :-/ |
| 00:16.28 | jpinx-eeepc | yep |
| 00:17.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | isn't that exciting... |
| 00:17.38 | dvs | wont touch a SSD disk |
| 00:17.48 | jpinx-eeepc | lots of kernel errors http://paste.debian.net/78094/ |
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| 00:19.01 | jpinx-eeepc | I am not familiar with those kernel errors - any pointers how to fix - or do I risk the reboot? |
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| 00:20.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, either it's not plugged in properly anymore, or it's dying/dead |
| 00:21.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | "reboot later, back up now, the disk is going to scraps NOW"? |
| 00:22.01 | jpinx-eeepc | Hmmm -- I'll certainly backup first |
| 00:23.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | does this have something like SMART? |
| 00:23.33 | jpinx-eeepc | what's smart? |
| 00:23.43 | qq- | !smart |
| 00:23.43 | dpkg | i heard smart is the opposite of stupid, or the opposite of straightforward and polite, or what I definitely am, or "Self-Monitoring, Analysis, and Reporting Technology" used by some hard drive manufacturers to detect imminent drive failure; ask me about <smartd>. SMART can also be unreliable. No reason to believe it blindly without further testing. http://research.google.com/archive/disk_failures.pdf |
| 00:23.56 | jpinx-eeepc | no man pages... :/ |
| 00:24.18 | jpinx-eeepc | no - I don't have smart -- on any level ;) |
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| 00:28.41 | jpinx-eeepc | I plug in the usb hdd and do mount -a and get - bash: /bin/mount: Input/output error |
| 00:28.51 | jpinx-eeepc | RichiH: any ideas? |
| 00:29.05 | jpinx-eeepc | CutMeOwnThroat: ââ ? |
| 00:31.53 | jpinx-eeepc | :( |
| 00:33.05 | qq- | jpinx-eeepc, anyways , rebooted ? |
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| 00:33.42 | jpinx-eeepc | qq-: not yet - I still have access to gmail, so backing up some important stuff there... |
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| 00:34.45 | jpinx-eeepc | bugger - it won't even do that :( |
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| 00:35.52 | abrotman | jpinx-eeepc: is / read-only ? |
| 00:37.16 | jpinx-eeepc | abrotman: it appears to be. Did you see the error log? |
| 00:37.39 | abrotman | nope |
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| 00:38.11 | jpinx-eeepc | lots of kernel errors http://paste.debian.net/78094/ |
| 00:38.19 | jpinx-eeepc | abrotman: ââ |
| 00:38.44 | abrotman | that looks unhappy |
| 00:39.36 | jpinx-eeepc | like me :( |
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| 00:44.44 | Guest46912 | hi folks! can anyone help me to prevent detection of particular usb device on debian lenny?? I'm trying to prevent detection of usb UPS by usbhid. |
| 00:45.34 | dvs | Guest46912: have you tried blacklisting it? |
| 00:46.43 | Guest46912 | i can blacklist usbhid driver, but i want to blacklist only UPS. i searched the web and didn't find solution |
| 00:48.05 | mathrick | can I pin source packages? |
| 00:48.20 | mathrick | that is, I want my pin specifically to match source packages only |
| 00:49.23 | Guest46912 | dvs: is there a way to do that? |
| 00:50.19 | qq- | mathrick, for "me" is a non-sense |
| 00:50.49 | qq- | all source packages come from sid only .. |
| 00:50.58 | mathrick | what? |
| 00:51.11 | dvs | alexevt: not that I know of |
| 00:51.23 | abrotman | mathrick: doubtful, AIUI, the pinning works against installed packages |
| 00:51.44 | mathrick | abrotman: bah |
| 00:51.47 | abrotman | as in, installed, binary packages |
| 00:51.55 | mathrick | or potential versions |
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| 00:53.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | mathrick, not exactly what you asked - but did you look at apt-src? |
| 00:53.37 | mathrick | CutMeOwnThroat: yes, that's exactly why I'm asking |
| 00:53.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think what you see is what you get... |
| 00:54.10 | mathrick | I'm using apt-src to rebuild local version of certain packages ubuntu has broken with their patches from sid |
| 00:54.24 | mathrick | but I want apt-src to select the debian versions always |
| 00:55.13 | abrotman | oh jesus |
| 00:55.15 | abrotman | go ask #ubuntu |
| 00:55.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | "It makes source package management feel a lot like using apt to manage binary packages" - it doesn't say you really get the same, it's only built to be similar |
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| 00:56.55 | mathrick | abrotman: how's that relevant? |
| 00:57.09 | mathrick | I'm asking about how apt works, what I use it for is utterly irrelevant |
| 00:57.15 | abrotman | mathrick: your apt* comes from ubuntu |
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| 00:57.41 | mathrick | abrotman: uh, so? It's apt |
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| 00:58.01 | abrotman | mathrick: your packages come from ubuntu, ask #ubuntu |
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| 01:01.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's not apt... it's /usr/share/perl5/AptSrc.pm |
| 01:02.03 | abrotman | still a question for #ubuntu |
| 01:03.57 | lex_ | need a xlsx password recovery tool does anyone know? |
| 01:04.55 | jpinx-eeepc | goes for a reboot -- this might be bye-bye for a while :/ |
| 01:05.23 | abrotman | jpinx-eeepc: don't you have another PC? |
| 01:05.29 | abrotman | !bless jpinx-eeepc |
| 01:05.30 | dpkg | O $DEITY, we beseech you to bless your child jpinx-eeepc, who is about to do something stupid and needs all the help you can give. Amen. |
| 01:06.07 | jpinx-eeepc | abrotman: nope - my old toshiba died |
| 01:06.16 | abrotman | good luck |
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| 01:07.03 | jpinx-eeepc | I've managed to email myself some vital data, but if the system is hosed it's fresh install -- assuming the SDD is not dead :/ |
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| 01:09.41 | dkulchenko | JordiGH: after a few hours of combing through all of this, i've come to the conclusion that it would be better to just compile VLC and all the dependencies from source, by hand. |
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| 01:10.54 | abrotman | dkulchenko: you sure about that? why can't you just migrate the system to squeeze ? |
| 01:11.02 | lex_ | need a xlsx password recovery tool does anyone know? |
| 01:11.49 | abrotman | you just said that |
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| 01:12.23 | dkulchenko | abrotman: i'm not compiling for myself. i'm compiling for wide distribution. i need to cover a wide range of Linux distros. libc is forward-compatible, so i've chosen to use libc 2.7 (distros from 2008 onward). lenny usse libc 2.7, hence i'm using it to compile everything. |
| 01:13.09 | abrotman | dkulchenko: so why not make debian packages from the new source? |
| 01:13.47 | dkulchenko | abrotman: i'm using a different distribution format. i suppose i could generate debian packages as a by-product, and post them somewhere, but the way i'm distributing the result is unique. |
| 01:14.10 | abrotman | format? |
| 01:14.16 | dkulchenko | abrotman: see http://portools.com/ |
| 01:15.37 | dkulchenko | abrotman: i need to place the application itself, and all of the dependencies it has that do not come with stock Debian/Ubuntu, into one directory tree, which is then put into a squashfs filesystem, which is then overlayed onto the user's computer, to create a very simple (for the user) software distribution method. |
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| 01:19.19 | jmarsden | dkulchenko: How is that simpler than using aptitude or Synaptic to download a .deb and having it pull in all the dependencies it needs? And how are you handling updates?? |
| 01:20.31 | sweetpi | dkulchenko: maybe ive missed part of the conversation, but couldnt you just statically link everything? |
| 01:20.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | how do you decide what "stock debian/ubuntu" is? |
| 01:20.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | that seems more sensible |
| 01:20.53 | dkulchenko | jmarsden: different target audience. this is for netbook users, also the people who regularly hop between Linux machines. my system does not require root access at any step of the process. you can plug a USB drive in, and have your application and all of its settings (also saved) right there. |
| 01:21.20 | dkulchenko | CutMeOwnThroat: install Ubuntu 8.04 or Debian Lenny. without installing anything else, the application must run. that's what i mean by stock. |
| 01:21.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | you will still have tasks selected... |
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| 01:22.13 | dkulchenko | CutMeOwnThroat: what do you mean? |
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| 01:22.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | but fair enough... except for that not all libraries are forward-compatible |
| 01:23.00 | dkulchenko | haven't had an issue with that so far, thank god |
| 01:23.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | also I wonder what happens when the same libs are installed on the system |
| 01:23.15 | dkulchenko | mine overwrite them |
| 01:23.28 | dkulchenko | (it's a unionfs, with the application tree overlayed on /) |
| 01:23.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | so what happens to applications that need a newer lib than you supply? |
| 01:24.24 | dkulchenko | huh? if an application needs a newer lib, it'll have the newer lib supplied. what do you mean? |
| 01:24.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | from the system, not your stick |
| 01:25.34 | dkulchenko | i still don't quite get what you're saying. |
| 01:26.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | you overwrite libaa1 1.4p5-38 on a computer with 1.4p5-37+b1 which you compiled... |
| 01:27.06 | sweetpi | his application is portable... meaning it is self-contained. so other apps on the system wouldnt even see his version of the libraries |
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| 01:27.14 | dkulchenko | sweetpi: exactly. |
| 01:27.26 | dkulchenko | the application runs from within a chroot |
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| 01:27.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | now there's no gimp which (hypothetically) depends that lib on your stick, it _is_ installed on your host system, though and there needs 1.4p5-38, while the app on your stick only needs the older one |
| 01:28.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm |
| 01:28.49 | dkulchenko | it's a leave-no-trace thing. you plug in the stick, run the app, unplug it. the host system is untouched. |
| 01:29.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | I mean while the stick is in |
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| 01:30.23 | dkulchenko | it runs from a COW chroot jail. i union rwlayer=rw:application=ro:/=rw. then i chroot into the union. the host system sees nothing of what happened. |
| 01:30.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | you also still need root on every machine you use for that unionfs trick... |
| 01:30.59 | dkulchenko | you probably haven't heard of the magic of FUSE. |
| 01:31.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes, so you chroot into the union and call the app on the previous install |
| 01:31.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, I have |
| 01:31.41 | dkulchenko | trust me, i've tested my platform on almost all major Linux distros. it works, and it requires no root access. |
| 01:31.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | would a normal user be allowed to overlay an existing fs, though? |
| 01:31.45 | dkulchenko | yes |
| 01:31.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | interesting |
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| 01:32.05 | dkulchenko | i use unionfs-fuse for unioning, and fakechroot (requires no root access) to chroot. |
| 01:32.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | I still think you can run into problems with the case i described |
| 01:32.31 | dkulchenko | how so? |
| 01:32.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, I tried to explain |
| 01:32.58 | dkulchenko | well, like i told you, the host GIMP will be unaffected. in fact, you can run both at the same time with no issues. |
| 01:33.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | you could have an older lib on the stick than on the system and an app on the system could use the newer version of the lib |
| 01:33.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | I mean it wouldn't run anymore while you've got the unionfs there |
| 01:33.43 | dkulchenko | the app on the stick would always use the lib on the stick. the app on the system would always use the lib on the system. that's by design. |
| 01:33.58 | dkulchenko | why wouldn't it run? |
| 01:34.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | I would think that "gimp" (i.e. whatever) would not be on the stick, only on the host |
| 01:34.07 | sweetpi | his stick isnt overlayed over the root filesystem. |
| 01:34.12 | Bop | any desktop recorder that works fine on squeeze ? |
| 01:34.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | because it needs the library in a newer version and you overlaid it with your older one |
| 01:34.45 | abrotman | Bop: istanbul? recordmydesktop ? |
| 01:35.07 | Bop | abrotman, istanbul crashes every 10 seconds and recordmydesktop lags alot |
| 01:35.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | it probably doesn't happen so very often if you tested without problems |
| 01:35.17 | abrotman | tries istanbul |
| 01:35.23 | dkulchenko | CutMeOwnThroat: huh? only my packaged app will see the other libs. |
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| 01:35.44 | Bop | abrotman, here , it crashes when u stop and window pops up to save file |
| 01:35.49 | dkulchenko | CutMeOwnThroat: host apps have *no* knowledge of what is going on in the chroot. |
| 01:36.05 | dkulchenko | CutMeOwnThroat: they cannot possibly see the libs in there. host apps are completely unaffected. |
| 01:36.17 | dkulchenko | now, the app that is running from the chroot, it *will* see the changed libs. |
| 01:36.56 | abrotman | Bop: i see that |
| 01:37.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, perhaps I don't see how you are running this |
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| 01:37.45 | abrotman | running what? |
| 01:37.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | his stick-unionfs-thing |
| 01:38.06 | dkulchenko | CutMeOwnThroat: check out our wiki page, it explains it: http://portools.com/wiki/architecture#process |
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| 01:39.08 | ngomes | abrotman, -.- |
| 01:39.10 | ngomes | useless |
| 01:39.11 | abrotman | bopgrrr |
| 01:39.15 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:39.18 | ngomes | sorry , i disc |
| 01:39.19 | chupacabra_ | where can i find more information on setting up debian in compliant with Filesystem Hierarchy Standard? |
| 01:39.24 | ngomes | yes , internet got down |
| 01:39.32 | chupacabra_ | *to be in compliant |
| 01:39.41 | abrotman | ngomes: oh, you were Bop ? |
| 01:39.50 | abrotman | bop: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=554568 |
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| 01:41.21 | bop | abrotman, This is anyway just a bug at replay-time, recording is available where |
| 01:41.21 | bop | specified by the time filesink location. |
| 01:41.31 | bop | what the hell does he means with this ? |
| 01:41.47 | abrotman | the guy seems to think the video still gets recorded |
| 01:42.23 | abrotman | bop: look in /tmp |
| 01:42.26 | bop | abrotman, it does , at /tmp |
| 01:42.44 | bop | abrotman, but it fails, i pop up my chrome , and it wont record it |
| 01:42.48 | K1ng\ | i am getting problem |
| 01:42.50 | abrotman | oh.. okay |
| 01:42.50 | bop | it stays black |
| 01:43.10 | K1ng\ | since sudo ps x returns no apt-get ( debian server ) |
| 01:43.14 | K1ng\ | i am getting E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable) |
| 01:43.19 | K1ng\ | E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it? |
| 01:43.25 | abrotman | culd be dpkg |
| 01:43.35 | K1ng\ | its cli only |
| 01:43.40 | K1ng\ | oh wait |
| 01:44.24 | K1ng\ | tnx |
| 01:45.10 | Arafangion | K1ng\: There are GUI frontends as well. |
| 01:45.15 | Arafangion | K1ng\: So not CLI only. |
| 01:45.59 | K1ng\ | its server |
| 01:46.07 | K1ng\ | so its cli only :p |
| 01:46.11 | sweetpi | K1ng\: lsof | grep /var/lib/dpkg/lock |
| 01:46.20 | K1ng\ | gnome, KDE are GUI |
| 01:46.24 | K1ng\ | sweetpi, its fixed |
| 01:46.25 | K1ng\ | thanks |
| 01:46.34 | Arafangion | K1ng\: aptitude has a curses frontend, as well. |
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| 01:47.05 | qq- | K1ng\, ps x , don't need sudo |
| 01:48.01 | K1ng\ | sudo ps x for root? |
| 01:50.05 | qq- | yeah |
| 01:50.32 | qq- | K1ng\, running ubuntu ? |
| 01:50.59 | K1ng\ | debian |
| 01:51.10 | chupacabra_ | can debian automated install use something other than an "automated installer floppy"? |
| 01:51.20 | abrotman | !tell chupacabra_ about fai |
| 01:51.22 | abrotman | !tell chupacabra_ about preseed |
| 01:52.05 | chupacabra_ | ty |
| 01:53.10 | dkulchenko | that reminds me. how does one install Debian? the Debian I'm currently running was installed for me, I've only installed Fedora and Ubuntu before. is it as easy? |
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| 01:53.30 | abrotman | !tell dkulchenko about netinst |
| 01:53.32 | abrotman | !tell dkulchenko about ig |
| 01:54.31 | dkulchenko | abrotman: thanks |
| 01:55.04 | bop | whaT CAn i do with this error ? -> http://pastebin.com/fyi3xTQT |
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| 02:05.56 | bop | lol nevermind |
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| 02:09.44 | bop | debian-multimedia.org down ? |
| 02:10.38 | bop | ,dmm |
| 02:11.25 | unohu62 | If I want a debian system running only xfce and lxde should I download the debian-testing-xfce+lxde-CD-1.iso? |
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| 02:13.35 | abrotman | unohu62: i'd probably use a daily netinst |
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| 02:15.02 | voltagex | hi, is it possible to take a Lenny CD and update it from debian-security and possibly backports so I can take it to an offline machine? |
| 02:15.34 | unohu62 | abrotman: I have an old p3 800mhz, 256 m ram laptop and need to keep debian trim |
| 02:15.49 | abrotman | i'd still use the daily netinst |
| 02:17.03 | unohu62 | Do I have to not install a desktop environment initially and then add xfce 0r lxde later? |
| 02:17.24 | unohu62 | using netinst |
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| 02:18.05 | dvs | ungage: netinst will only download what you want. |
| 02:18.19 | dvs | oops |
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| 02:20.14 | unohu62 | okay thx guys, I was leaning to a netinst initially. Just wanted some feedback on the xfce-lxde.iso and see if anyone tried it. |
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| 02:21.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell voltagex -about apt offline |
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| 02:24.24 | bop | SOMEONE PUT DMM UP PLEASE |
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| 02:25.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | or you'll demand your money back |
| 02:25.52 | bop | :D |
| 02:25.53 | sweetpi | anyone know if the live cd supports nbd booting? i see nbd.ko but it doesnt seem to be working(maybe im doing it wrong) |
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| 02:29.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | bop, "whois debian-multimedia.org" |
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| 02:30.19 | bop | CutMeOwnThroat, email looks pretty random |
| 02:30.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | phone the owner, who'll be delighted, because it's around 5am in his timezone |
| 02:30.34 | jpinx-eeepc | how can I check the filesystem when it is mounted? |
| 02:30.38 | k\t | debian-multimedia is being flaky... this is the second time in a week.. |
| 02:30.53 | voltagex | CutMeOwnThroat: apt-walkabout looks like what I need - thanks! |
| 02:30.57 | streuner | sunday in france, the owner would be very happy :-) |
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| 02:31.04 | k\t | 'removing-mirror' |
| 02:31.14 | bop | CutMeOwnThroat, ITS AN EMERGENCY IN HERE |
| 02:31.15 | k\t | temporarily.. |
| 02:32.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | you urgently need packages from dmm to see the video from the xray examination or someone will die... :-/ |
| 02:32.29 | streuner | arent there mirrors for dmm? |
| 02:32.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | "delighted", I used |
| 02:32.44 | voltagex | streuner: was about to say that. |
| 02:32.44 | bop | CutMeOwnThroat, right ,that's it |
| 02:32.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | !dmm down |
| 02:32.45 | dpkg | The Debian Multimedia website is again available at http://debian-multimedia.org/ following a recent hard drive crash. debian-multimedia.org mailing list data was lost, refer to the front page for re-subscribing to the dmo-changes and/or dmo-discussion lists. |
| 02:33.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | !factinfo dmm down |
| 02:33.01 | dpkg | dmm down -- created by jelly <~jelly@lan.iskon.hr> at Thu Jun 10 09:51:25 2010 (9 days); last modified at Thu Jun 10 23:14:28 2010 by gsimmons!~gsimmons@gsimmons.org; it has been requested 47 times, last by CutMeOwnThroat, 15s ago. |
| 02:33.04 | HermanDE_ | bop, What's the emergency? |
| 02:33.19 | k\t | debian-multimedia _is_ down.. |
| 02:33.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | he can't play the pr0n without the most recent mplayer... |
| 02:33.27 | streuner | hehe |
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| 02:33.49 | HermanDE_ | CutMeOwnThroat, Thank god for the ability to download the source and compile.... |
| 02:33.49 | bop | HermanDE_, im testing for fun xvidcap , i qualify this as major emergency :D |
| 02:34.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, these are the two emergency-scenarios I can come up with... |
| 02:34.10 | HermanDE_ | Download the source for xvidcap... |
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| 02:34.22 | bop | HermanDE_, i did , needs 100000 deps, i wont isntall it |
| 02:34.57 | jpinx-eeepc | ok - I'm backedup now. How can I check the filesystem when it is mounted? |
| 02:35.06 | jpinx-eeepc | CutMeOwnThroat: ââ |
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| 02:35.25 | HermanDE_ | bop, That would be the Debian Distro + Ubuntu Distro + Centos Repo + Solaris Repo..... And a few dozen more..... |
| 02:35.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | jpinx-eeepc, depends :) |
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| 02:35.35 | k\t | wishes he had mirrors |
| 02:35.43 | HermanDE_ | bop, Do you have the 2TB of space on your hard drive? |
| 02:35.45 | streuner | deb http://debian-mirrors.sdinet.de/debian-multimedia stable main ... deb http://mi.mirror.garr.it/mirrors/debian-multimedia stable main ... |
| 02:35.50 | jpinx-eeepc | CutMeOwnThroat: on what? |
| 02:35.59 | HermanDE_ | bop, or the month of bandwidth? |
| 02:36.04 | k\t | no mirrors... arrows |
| 02:36.05 | streuner | the first hit with "debian multimedia mirrors" |
| 02:36.10 | k\t | not* |
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| 02:36.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, intersting - if you can't write to the fs anymore at all, <forcefsck> won't do you much good |
| 02:36.44 | k\t | jpinx-eeepc: what terminal are you using again? |
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| 02:37.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | jpinx-eeepc, needs to be mounted ro, of course, then you might want to look up options for the filesystem you're using |
| 02:37.27 | jpinx-eeepc | k\t: lxde |
| 02:37.44 | jpinx-eeepc | CutMeOwnThroat: I did several reboots and it threw no errors |
| 02:38.02 | HermanDE_ | jpinx-eeepc, What is the expected filesystem? |
| 02:38.14 | jpinx-eeepc | HermanDE_: ext3 |
| 02:38.45 | HermanDE_ | jpinx-eeepc, is it a partition? |
| 02:38.50 | HermanDE_ | jpinx-eeepc, or an image? |
| 02:39.01 | jpinx-eeepc | HermanDE_: partiton on an SDD |
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| 02:39.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | jpinx-eeepc, can you access it after reboot? |
| 02:39.16 | HermanDE_ | jpinx-eeepc, Ouch... How big is it? |
| 02:39.33 | jpinx-eeepc | HermanDE_: it's my root filesystem, but only 12Gbs |
| 02:39.52 | HermanDE_ | Ok... Do you have another HD that can hold the whole FS? |
| 02:40.00 | jpinx-eeepc | CutMeOwnThroat: I am in it now - it booted and seemed to throw no errors |
| 02:40.14 | jpinx-eeepc | HermanDE_: I am backed up to external USB hdd |
| 02:40.15 | HermanDE_ | jpinx-eeepc, copy... copy....copy....copy.... |
| 02:40.29 | jpinx-eeepc | HermanDE_: once bitten etc ;) |
| 02:40.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | jpinx-eeepc, hm, interesting... you could try to read all of it, if that throws no errors, good sign |
| 02:40.59 | HermanDE_ | jpinx-eeepc, I had about 15 years of data die on a seized drive..... |
| 02:41.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, and ext3 on ssd... :) |
| 02:41.22 | jpinx-eeepc | HermanDE_: I got some wierdness after a suspend and thought the SDD might be dying |
| 02:41.30 | jpinx-eeepc | it came back ro |
| 02:41.36 | HermanDE_ | jpinx-eeepc, yes, ext3 is a very chatty file system..... |
| 02:42.09 | HermanDE_ | jpinx-eeepc, This can work well if you have a couple of Gig of ram in the SDD to act as a cache.... |
| 02:42.31 | jpinx-eeepc | HermanDE_: I have 2Gbs RAM anyway :) |
| 02:42.36 | HermanDE_ | jpinx-eeepc, Might want to consider a FS that is appropriate for an SDD.... |
| 02:42.56 | HermanDE_ | jpinx-eeepc, The ram would need to be on the SDD.... Not in the computer.... |
| 02:43.03 | jpinx-eeepc | HermanDE_: I've looed at that and asked around, but been worned off |
| 02:43.12 | jpinx-eeepc | *looked |
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| 02:43.16 | HermanDE_ | jpinx-eeepc, Acting as a very specific cache for the hard drive.... |
| 02:43.24 | voltagex | jffs maybe? |
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| 02:43.39 | travel | hi all |
| 02:43.57 | HermanDE_ | jpinx-eeepc, Or logfs.... |
| 02:44.14 | jpinx-eeepc | HermanDE_: the general view amongst eeepc users in debian is that ext3 is fine for the SDD |
| 02:44.21 | HermanDE_ | jpinx-eeepc, NLFS.... |
| 02:44.40 | travel | hi |
| 02:44.47 | jpinx-eeepc | wwill buy a spare SDD and keep daily backups.. |
| 02:44.48 | travel | can i ask pipes & socket questions here? |
| 02:44.54 | HermanDE_ | jpinx-eeepc, We are in the second (or third) generation of SDD's... They all suffer from the same problem.... |
| 02:45.00 | jpinx-eeepc | travel: just ask |
| 02:45.08 | k\t | jpinx-eeepc: lxde is your terminal? |
| 02:45.40 | jpinx-eeepc | k\t: I am using a vt in lxde |
| 02:45.47 | HermanDE_ | jpinx-eeepc, Degradation of the SDD.... Limited amount of Reading/Writing on each cell... So, the boot sector usually dies first.... |
| 02:45.49 | jpinx-eeepc | k\t: not tty1 or so |
| 02:46.14 | HermanDE_ | jpinx-eeepc, If you can put the EXT3 journal onto different media, that may solve some of these problems.... |
| 02:46.17 | k\t | nice, but how do you have font graphics again? |
| 02:46.23 | jpinx-eeepc | HermanDE_: yes - I have read reams about all that - hence I use the clip-in SDD for my OS ;) |
| 02:46.48 | HermanDE_ | jpinx-eeepc, I really should try to remember which room i;m in... |
| 02:46.52 | jpinx-eeepc | HermanDE_: I could always use ext2 :) |
| 02:46.59 | Arafangion | HermanDE_: I'm pretty sure that decent SSD's have what's called "wear levelling". |
| 02:47.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | jpinx-eeepc, funny, can't find anything that does low-level sector checks... |
| 02:47.02 | jpinx-eeepc | HermanDE_: heh |
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| 02:47.05 | travel | hi |
| 02:47.07 | travel | http://pastebin.com/a0xdmUAX << is this writing the output of running "command" to the pipe file? |
| 02:47.12 | HermanDE_ | jpinx-eeepc, Sure.... |
| 02:47.22 | Arafangion | HermanDE_: As such, the ext3 journal is somewhat less of an issue. |
| 02:47.37 | qq- | HermanDE, hi , i fixed my router , for strange reasons , router don't added local route (192.168.x.0) to his route tables , and that blocked lan clients to access internet , thanks you again for your helps , was a good lesson experience ;) |
| 02:47.38 | HermanDE_ | Arafangion, Yep... And that feature is becoming more popular.... I'm waiting for the cheap to enter the picture.... |
| 02:47.42 | jpinx-eeepc | CutMeOwnThroat: I was googling for a while and can find nothing that will look at the mounted fs.. |
| 02:48.03 | Arafangion | HermanDE_: But consider that even without wear levelling, FAT32 is popular despite being possibly the worst format for it! |
| 02:48.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | jpinx-eeepc, r/o mounts should be ok |
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| 02:48.29 | jpinx-eeepc | CutMeOwnThroat: how to force a fsck at boottime? |
| 02:48.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | !forcefsck |
| 02:48.45 | dpkg | To instruct your system to execute <fsck> on the next boot: "touch /forcefsck". Useful for checking the root filesystem for errors (via /etc/init.d/checkroot.sh). Alternatively, supply the -F option to shutdown(8) to create the /forcefsck advisory file, or include "forcefsck" at the kernel command line (Squeeze). |
| 02:49.00 | jpinx-eeepc | Arafangion: yes - most USB memory sticks are FAT32 by default for that very reason |
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| 02:49.17 | jpinx-eeepc | CutMeOwnThroat: cool - thanks |
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| 02:49.37 | HermanDE_ | jpinx-eeepc, I remember using a Debian tool that fixed the low level stuff... And worked very well... Just can't remember the tool name.... |
| 02:49.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | I should had saved that article I couldn't find when we discussed that, jpinx-eeepc ... I'm rather sure he named some reason why the journal sticks to the same place of the disk |
| 02:49.52 | Arafangion | jpinx-eeepc: I mean "worst format" with respect not to filesystem features... But the hot spots caused by how FAT manages its indexes, and backup indexes. |
| 02:50.18 | travel | anyone ? |
| 02:50.38 | jpinx-eeepc | CutMeOwnThroat: that would be interesting. Moving the journal around would be a "good thing" |
| 02:50.53 | HermanDE_ | jpinx-eeepc, testdisk..... |
| 02:51.07 | jpinx-eeepc | waits for HermanDE_ memory to kick in |
| 02:51.18 | jpinx-eeepc | O.o ok - I'll look |
| 02:51.20 | HermanDE_ | jpinx-eeepc, Very cool tool... Resurrected a mail system..... |
| 02:51.39 | HermanDE_ | jpinx-eeepc, Enough to move it to another drive.... |
| 02:51.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | jpinx-eeepc, that's what those new FSs do... |
| 02:52.16 | jpinx-eeepc | CutMeOwnThroat: what new fsÅ -- like ext4? |
| 02:52.33 | jpinx-eeepc | HermanDE_: thanks - testdisk is packaged for lenny :) |
| 02:52.44 | jpinx-eeepc | installs |
| 02:53.02 | Arafangion | HermanDE_: According to comments on this website, even the most primitive SSD's do do some form of wear levelling, and also states that EXT3 is fine for ssd's: http://thunk.org/tytso/blog/2009/03/01/ssds-journaling-and-noatimerelatime/ |
| 02:53.16 | HermanDE_ | jpinx-eeepc, It's one of the very cool quiet tools in Debian.... It's been there for the past 4 Debian versions.... |
| 02:53.50 | jpinx-eeepc | Arafangion: yep - seen that one - that's why I stayed with ext3 |
| 02:54.49 | Arafangion | jpinx-eeepc: Makes me want to buy an awesome intel SSD, even though I don't need it. (Still use old-school platters) |
| 02:55.05 | Arafangion | jpinx-eeepc: Seems fast enough for irc, email, and webbrowsing. :) |
| 02:55.10 | HermanDE_ | Arafangion, The last time I had to evaluate SDD was about 2 years ago during a new server build.... Might be tome to review again... |
| 02:55.50 | jpinx-eeepc | Arafangion: my eeepc has 2 SDDs, one 4GB fast but welded in, and the other 12Gb clip in which is a bit slower but I use all the time |
| 02:56.06 | jpinx-eeepc | Arafangion: the 4Gb has XP on it .. shhh |
| 02:56.31 | Arafangion | HermanDE_: One thing I have heard, is that there is now large variation between SSD's, with some of the Intel ones being the best. |
| 02:56.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | jpinx-eeepc, no, those solid-state FSs ... I thought we talked about those, too UBIFS seems to be the thingy |
| 02:56.50 | jpinx-eeepc | Arafangion: I see I can now replace the clip-in SDD with bigger, so I will go and buy the next one so that it is a quick changeover |
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| 02:57.03 | qq- | jpinx-eeepc, what is/was the fs on your ssd ? |
| 02:57.10 | Arafangion | jpinx-eeepc: Upgrading an eeePC? Weirdo! :) |
| 02:57.21 | jpinx-eeepc | CutMeOwnThroat: I got very mixed reports about those - lots of issues it seems |
| 02:58.03 | Arafangion | jpinx-eeepc: Comments on that same link I pasted seem to indicate that the eeePC's are a "generation 0 ssd", and don't work well with ext3. |
| 02:58.21 | jpinx-eeepc | Arafangion: I live on my eeepc - I travel extensively - and it'd be nice to have more music... |
| 02:58.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | jpinx-eeepc, not unlikely, they're probably in a similar situation like reiserfs early on |
| 02:58.48 | jpinx-eeepc | CutMeOwnThroat: exactly right, but progress will be made |
| 02:58.49 | Arafangion | jpinx-eeepc: Bah, just do without music. :) |
| 02:58.50 | abrotman | jpinx-eeepc: is it dying or is it okay? |
| 02:59.22 | jpinx-eeepc | Arafangion: yes - this is generation 0 SSD, hence the need to upgrade ;) |
| 02:59.26 | HermanDE_ | jpinx-eeepc, Just hum a tune to your seat buddy..... He will rate your performance personally.... |
| 02:59.31 | jpinx-eeepc | abrotman: still hanging in here :) |
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| 03:00.13 | jpinx-eeepc | abrotman: managed to do a full backup to a USB hdd |
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| 03:02.05 | Arafangion | figures it's time to make his turkish coffee - is he allowed to call it that despite never seeing a turk make it? |
| 03:02.09 | k\t | done: â |
| 03:02.19 | HermanDE_ | jpinx-eeepc, In case you need a raid backup....... http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/05/five-disk-floppy-raid-4mb-of-blistering-fast-storage/ |
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| 03:03.01 | k\t | è¥, uhoh |
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| 03:04.05 | Arafangion | remembers the days of putting 2MB on a 1.44MB floppy. |
| 03:04.19 | jpinx-eeepc | omg :/ |
| 03:04.50 | jarick | Arafangion: Remember the LS-120? |
| 03:05.42 | HermanDE_ | the LS-120 was the bomb.... |
| 03:05.55 | Arafangion | jarick: No, but I was around when the IomegaZip became popular... And died. |
| 03:06.10 | HermanDE_ | It was much better to live through LS-120 head failure than Click Death with the zip disks.... |
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| 03:06.48 | Arafangion | USB disks are the new floppy, anyway. |
| 03:07.43 | HermanDE_ | I'm still waiting for AOL to start sending 128MIB usb drives.... |
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| 03:07.59 | HermanDE_ | My floppywall + CD Wall is looking very old.... |
| 03:08.03 | qq- | Arafangion, same speed , at least |
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| 03:08.07 | HermanDE_ | I need a usb wall.... |
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| 03:17.04 | jpinx-eeepc | HermanDE_: thanks for the tip on testdisk . very cool tool |
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| 03:17.40 | HermanDE_ | jpinx-eeepc, Yep.... |
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| 03:18.24 | IceWewe | I have an NFS performance issue. I have a dual opteron server running Debian lenny. I have several SATA hard drives in the machine that are exported to local clients over my gigabit network. When clients try to push data to the server, it's very slow. However if I mount the client's drive on the server and perform the cp operation from the server side, it's very fast. |
| 03:18.43 | IceWewe | Someone suggested that it may be a TCP/UDP thing, and that by forcing NFS to use UDP I might be able to solve the issue. |
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| 03:19.02 | IceWewe | I'm using the nfs-kernel-server, running 2.6.32-trunk-amd64 and nfs-utils version 1:1.1.2-6lenny1 |
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| 03:20.23 | IceWewe | also, the server load goes through the roof when I try to transfer large files from the client to the server |
| 03:21.07 | HermanDE_ | IceWewe, Do you have any firewalling? How is your routing? Are you using large packets? |
| 03:21.27 | HermanDE_ | IceWewe, Do you have QOS setup? |
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| 03:21.57 | HermanDE_ | Is the server running 1 GiB? Or is it autoscaling down to 100? |
| 03:22.00 | IceWewe | HermanDE_, no QoS, no firewalls, goes through one gigabit switch |
| 03:22.09 | IceWewe | HermanDE_, 1 GiB, not autoscaling |
| 03:22.30 | IceWewe | the issue is that I'll have large burst speeds ~40-50MB/s, then a long wait of no transfer at all |
| 03:22.36 | HermanDE_ | IceWewe, Is the switch unmanageable or manageable? |
| 03:22.43 | IceWewe | HermanDE_, unmanaged |
| 03:22.52 | HermanDE_ | IceWewe, How is your DNS? |
| 03:23.00 | IceWewe | HermanDE_, no problems |
| 03:23.07 | HermanDE_ | IceWewe, Have you tried a packet dump? |
| 03:23.22 | IceWewe | I was trying to avoid that given the quantity of data... |
| 03:23.27 | IceWewe | but I suppose I could |
| 03:23.28 | jarick | IceWewe: ifconfig | grep error say anything? |
| 03:23.31 | HermanDE_ | IceWewe, Watch the flow of data.... |
| 03:24.00 | HermanDE_ | IceWewe, Does the switch support large packets? |
| 03:24.09 | IceWewe | jarick, RX packets:251372963 errors:0 dropped:236 overruns:0 frame:0 |
| 03:24.19 | IceWewe | jarick, that's the one line that contains dropped packets, there are no other errors |
| 03:24.50 | IceWewe | HermanDE_, I believe it supports jumbo frames |
| 03:25.14 | HermanDE_ | IceWewe, What does your Client nics report? |
| 03:25.17 | IceWewe | as I said, if I mount the client drive via NFS on the server and do the copy from the client drive (nfs) to the server (local) it's amazingly fast |
| 03:25.24 | IceWewe | HermanDE_, also 1 GiB connections |
| 03:25.25 | HermanDE_ | IceWewe, Do you have a bad port on the switch? |
| 03:25.44 | IceWewe | HermanDE_, not that I know of. I don't have any dropped packets when I run a continuous ping |
| 03:26.06 | HermanDE_ | IceWewe, Ok... Did you test for large packets? |
| 03:26.26 | HermanDE_ | IceWewe, and packet fragmentation? |
| 03:26.31 | jarick | What is the txqueuelen of that interface? |
| 03:26.44 | IceWewe | jarick, txqueuelen:1000 |
| 03:27.00 | IceWewe | HermanDE_, sorry, bit over my head... could you possibly rephrase? |
| 03:27.33 | HermanDE_ | IceWewe, Sure.... Pinging is only about 56 bytes long... Very small in the world of file transfers..... |
| 03:27.34 | jarick | IceWewe: Try frobbing it down to 500? |
| 03:27.43 | HermanDE_ | IceWewe, That is why a ping is so quick.... |
| 03:27.47 | IceWewe | jarick, can I do that without dropping the interface? |
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| 03:28.13 | IceWewe | HermanDE_, so how would I go about test large packets? AFAIK there is no way to set the size of a ping packet. |
| 03:28.23 | HermanDE_ | IceWewe, Try a ping size of 1000 then try 1500... |
| 03:28.48 | HermanDE_ | IceWewe, man ping..... ping -f -s 1000 destinationhost |
| 03:29.01 | jarick | IceWewe: But try what HermanDE_ is saying first |
| 03:29.11 | jarick | Also, it's done with ifconfig, read the manpage |
| 03:29.15 | HermanDE_ | IceWewe, -f is a flood command... It will show you packets not returned.... |
| 03:29.37 | HermanDE_ | IceWewe, Each packet not returned will show up as a period.... Returned packets will remove the period.... |
| 03:29.47 | HermanDE_ | IceWewe, Try it from both ends of the connection.... |
| 03:29.50 | IceWewe | I have one period so far |
| 03:30.15 | HermanDE_ | IceWewe, Not ctrl-c and try changing the size to 1500..... |
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| 03:30.49 | qq- | IceWewe, uh 2.6.32-trunk-amd64 , install the latest |
| 03:30.54 | qq- | , kernels |
| 03:30.56 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.34-1-686 (2.6.34-1~experimental.2); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-15); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-15); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-15~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-22lenny1); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
| 03:30.58 | IceWewe | HermanDE_, I'm flood pinging it with -s 1000, 1500 and 2000 and running about 20MB/s over my client interface and thus far no periods other than an initial one |
| 03:31.15 | HermanDE_ | IceWewe, Now try it from the othersize..... |
| 03:31.42 | HermanDE_ | IceWewe, otherside... :) |
| 03:32.07 | HermanDE_ | IceWewe, Increase the size to 10000 ..... |
| 03:32.51 | IceWewe | HermanDE_, client pinging server with 10000 packet size, no periods |
| 03:32.59 | IceWewe | server pinging client 10000 packet size, no periods |
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| 03:33.19 | HermanDE_ | IceWewe, Good.... Is that Client to server or Server to client? |
| 03:33.26 | IceWewe | HermanDE_, both, simultaneously |
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| 03:35.03 | HermanDE_ | IceWewe, cat proc/sys/net/core/rmem_ |
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| 03:35.17 | HermanDE_ | IceWewe, from the client and server.... |
| 03:35.31 | HermanDE_ | IceWewe, Then check /proc/sys/ent/core/wmem_max |
| 03:36.23 | IceWewe | rmem_max, server & client: 131071 |
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| 03:36.38 | IceWewe | wmem doesn't exist |
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| 03:37.05 | HermanDE_ | IceWewe, Ok... You are running 1Gib and are buffering 128K..... :) Could be a slight slow down there.... |
| 03:37.30 | IceWewe | should I mention that reading off the server is fast? |
| 03:37.47 | IceWewe | only transferring files for writing from the client to server suffer from these issues |
| 03:37.57 | HermanDE_ | IceWewe, I'm going down a punch list of bottlenecks.... |
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| 03:38.14 | IceWewe | HermanDE_, ah, okay |
| 03:38.23 | HermanDE_ | IceWewe, Unless you have an NFS log that shows the problem... known Bottelnecks are a good place to start.... |
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| 03:39.00 | IceWewe | HermanDE_, I'm getting nfs server not responding errors on the client during this period, but no errors on the server side |
| 03:39.16 | HermanDE_ | IceWewe, That changes things..... |
| 03:39.28 | IceWewe | the load on the server is nothing before you start copying, and goes up to between 8-20 when you try to copy to it |
| 03:39.51 | HermanDE_ | IceWewe, How is your DNS situation? Or are you using IP addresses? |
| 03:39.59 | IceWewe | HermanDE_, using ip addresses |
| 03:40.07 | HermanDE_ | IceWewe, What Filesystem are you using? |
| 03:40.11 | IceWewe | both machines are statically defined |
| 03:40.11 | IceWewe | XFS |
| 03:40.15 | HermanDE_ | IceWewe, Is it raided? |
| 03:40.17 | IceWewe | no |
| 03:40.38 | IceWewe | the controller is on the PCI-X bus running at 133Mhz |
| 03:40.49 | HermanDE_ | IceWewe, So the client loses the server..... As the server is going insane trying to send the file..... |
| 03:40.53 | IceWewe | there is no write-cache on the controller |
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| 03:41.10 | IceWewe | receive the file |
| 03:41.14 | IceWewe | yep |
| 03:41.40 | HermanDE_ | IceWewe, You need a packet dump..... from the client.... |
| 03:41.53 | HermanDE_ | IceWewe, Just move a small file at high speed..... |
| 03:42.14 | HermanDE_ | IceWewe, Gotta see why the server is disappearing.... |
| 03:43.07 | HermanDE_ | IceWewe, Could also be the standard TCP settings.... The buffering is so low that the NFS system dies.... <---Extremely rare.... |
| 03:45.31 | IceWewe | HermanDE_, uploading the log |
| 03:46.01 | HermanDE_ | IceWewe, are you friends with the shark? |
| 03:46.07 | IceWewe | wireshark? |
| 03:46.15 | HermanDE_ | IceWewe, Yep.... |
| 03:46.18 | IceWewe | yes, but it isn't playing nice right now... I used tcpdump instead |
| 03:46.19 | DanDare | join ##politics |
| 03:46.29 | DanDare | ouch, not that |
| 03:46.29 | IceWewe | http://paste.pocoo.org/show/227469/ |
| 03:46.49 | IceWewe | .0.42 is the client, 0.101 is the server |
| 03:47.04 | IceWewe | I used grep to remove all other network traffic |
| 03:47.23 | HermanDE_ | IceWewe, try the capture again with tshark....... dump as raw libpcap.... |
| 03:47.36 | HermanDE_ | IceWewe, Let wireshark show you the way.... |
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| 03:48.25 | IceWewe | what's the usage? tshark -i eth0 -w outfile.pcap ? |
| 03:48.45 | HermanDE_ | IceWewe, you have to set the type of dump..... |
| 03:48.53 | IceWewe | HermanDE_, libpcap is the default |
| 03:49.05 | HermanDE_ | IceWewe, I think it's "-F" |
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| 03:49.18 | IceWewe | set the output file type, default is libpcap |
| 03:49.34 | HermanDE_ | IceWewe, give it a shot.... |
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| 03:50.21 | IceWewe | okay, the file is quite large... am I going to analyze it in wireshark? |
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| 03:51.23 | HermanDE_ | Yep.... |
| 03:51.29 | IceWewe | what am I looking for? |
| 03:51.31 | HermanDE_ | Load it up.... |
| 03:51.41 | HermanDE_ | IceWewe, Look for the color red.... |
| 03:51.41 | IceWewe | done |
| 03:52.06 | HermanDE_ | IceWewe, .... I think the errors/retrans show up as red.... |
| 03:52.13 | IceWewe | found some. [TCP ACKed lost segment] |
| 03:52.17 | Arafangion | wonders what percentage of the population is colour-blind. |
| 03:52.33 | HermanDE_ | Arafangion, More men than women..... |
| 03:53.13 | HermanDE_ | Arafangion, More women have 4 different color sensors in their eyes... it explains the difference between blue and deep water ocean blue.... |
| 03:53.19 | Arafangion | That much I know. There was a guy I had review my software design... Turns out that man was *completely* colourblind. Made for an interesting review. :) |
| 03:53.46 | Arafangion | HermanDE_: I've heard that too, they can see 7 colours of the rainbow. :) |
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| 03:53.58 | IceWewe | HermanDE_, does that mean anything to you? |
| 03:53.59 | HermanDE_ | Arafangion, I have a friend who didn't understand he was color blind until he was in his 60's.... |
| 03:54.13 | Arafangion | Wow! |
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| 03:54.14 | IceWewe | TCP[TCP ACKed lost segment] nfs > 907 [ACK] Seq=1905 Ack=211293 Win=501 Len=0 TSV=131015525 TSER=522657481 |
| 03:54.17 | HermanDE_ | IceWewe, That would be a retransmit.... |
| 03:54.33 | IceWewe | woah, there's a lot of them |
| 03:54.39 | Arafangion | HermanDE_: I guess it's hard to fault that which you don't know. :) |
| 03:54.46 | IceWewe | [TCP ACKed lost segment] [TCP Previous segment lost] V3 WRITE Reply (Call In 214) Len:8192 UNSTABLE |
| 03:54.52 | HermanDE_ | IceWewe, And depending on the direction.... Could pause until the ack is found or retransmitted... |
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| 03:55.28 | IceWewe | HermanDE_, they seem to be originating from the server |
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| 03:56.00 | HermanDE_ | IceWewe, Now this is where you may be seeing the analyzer over actual data.... |
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| 03:56.27 | HermanDE_ | IceWewe, Look around the ack.... Do you see a TCP retransmission or Duplicate ACk near each? |
| 03:57.36 | HermanDE_ | If the ack is without the retransmit or duplicate it could be the libpcap was having troubles keeping up..... Back to the TCP bottlenecks.... |
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| 03:58.32 | IceWewe | HermanDE_, not exactly sure what I'm looking for, sorry. How would I know if a packet is a retransmission? |
| 03:59.08 | HermanDE_ | You can right click on a packet and filter for it.... Or see the whole stream that packet was part of.... |
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| 03:59.30 | HermanDE_ | IceWewe, You can even follow the whole stream..... |
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| 04:00.09 | HermanDE_ | IceWewe, Something I noticed is that you are sending/receiving in 1.2k packets.... Very small for 1GiB.... |
| 04:00.18 | tharkun | Inspecting a server, i am finding all over the filesystem (home partition) files wiht the name core.xxxx what are they? |
| 04:00.33 | HermanDE_ | IceWewe, So, there would need to be many .... many more packets required.... |
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| 04:00.52 | tharkun | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:01.06 | IceWewe | HermanDE_, I'm just having trouble following... I don't seem to have enough to build a filter. If I say follow TCP stream I get an 8MB file |
| 04:02.26 | IceWewe | HermanDE_, I'm looking for TCP packet, not NFS packet, right? |
| 04:02.35 | HermanDE_ | IceWewe, If it is a TCP problem. this is a good way to find it.... |
| 04:02.55 | HermanDE_ | IceWewe, Are you serving using TCP or UDP..... |
| 04:03.00 | IceWewe | TCP |
| 04:03.11 | HermanDE_ | IceWewe, This will also examine UDP.... |
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| 04:05.35 | IceWewe | HermanDE_, okay, I don't know what I'm looking for... |
| 04:06.15 | HermanDE_ | IceWewe, I have to head out.... Wish I could help directly... |
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| 04:06.44 | HermanDE_ | IceWewe, I'd suggest looking at TCP and NFS common bottle necks..... |
| 04:06.48 | IceWewe | HermanDE_, that's okay, thanks for your assistance, now I know what to look for |
| 04:06.53 | HermanDE_ | IceWewe, Then examine your switch and wires.... |
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| 04:07.25 | HermanDE_ | IceWewe, A CAT-5 will create strange problems when connected at 1GiB and all machines see it as 1GiB.... |
| 04:07.53 | IceWewe | HermanDE_, I'm using a mix of CAT 6 and CAT 5e |
| 04:08.35 | tharkun | Broken shields will also create strange problems. Or faulty grounds |
| 04:08.43 | HermanDE_ | IceWewe, Another common problem is a bad port.... One that has a blown receive or transmit ram on the card/switch.... |
| 04:09.41 | IceWewe | HermanDE_, the switch is fairly new (<6 months) so I don't think that's the issue, but I can check again |
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| 04:10.25 | HermanDE_ | IceWewe, Don't let the age fool you.... Try a direct cable before ruling that out..... Use mii-diag on your machines to check the nic trancievers..... |
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| 04:10.50 | TwYsTeD | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:10.57 | TwYsTeD | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:11.09 | qq- | !ops TwYsTeD |
| 04:11.09 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: qq- complains about: TwYsTeD |
| 04:11.28 | HermanDE_ | TwYsTeD That is good... Do you run Debian? |
| 04:11.38 | tharkun | !beer HermanDE_ |
| 04:11.39 | dpkg | pours a pint of Jever for HermanDE_ |
| 04:11.58 | HermanDE_ | TwysTeD You know Debian is good as well.... |
| 04:12.26 | HermanDE_ | TwYsTeD Debian even has a bible.... |
| 04:12.31 | TwYsTeD | :D |
| 04:12.33 | HermanDE_ | TwYsTeD And followers.... |
| 04:12.33 | TwYsTeD | o/ |
| 04:12.46 | tharkun | | |
| 04:13.03 | TwYsTeD | ./\ |
| 04:13.08 | IceWewe | !ops TwYsTeD |
| 04:13.08 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: icewewe complains about: TwYsTeD |
| 04:13.08 | HermanDE_ | TwysTeD Shall I quote? |
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| 04:14.06 | qq- | LoRez, thx |
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| 04:15.10 | HermanDE_ | Awww.... He was about to get fun.... :) |
| 04:15.25 | HermanDE_ | Could of had a Deb convert.... |
| 04:15.37 | tharkun | :-) |
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| 04:16.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | guys you're doing nothing to keep the rumor alive that debian is a christian distro... |
| 04:17.27 | dominicus | Does anyone here know of a good CLI based too to create ISO images of CDs/DVDs? |
| 04:17.35 | tharkun | wodim |
| 04:17.53 | HermanDE_ | CutMeOwnThroat, I know of more churches running Deb than any other distro.... I installed'em..... :O |
| 04:18.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's a lot of churches, though |
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| 04:18.28 | HermanDE_ | And each one has the same problem..... |
| 04:18.42 | dominicus | CutMeOwnThroat: Every church I've helped, always seemed to have a bootleg copy of Windows. They were just to stuck in their way to switch to linux. Darn heathens. |
| 04:19.07 | HermanDE_ | Church-info is a lamp system that installs on Deb... And creates more business/friends...... |
| 04:19.16 | dominicus | tharkun: Thanks. I'll give that one a try. =) |
| 04:19.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | HermanDE_, just keep it away from little kids :-P |
| 04:19.39 | HermanDE_ | I never starve on Sunday..... :) |
| 04:19.51 | tharkun | dominicus: there is also a cdw i haven't used it |
| 04:20.11 | dominicus | HermanDE_: Was that a holy water/bread reference? |
| 04:20.12 | HermanDE_ | dominicus, dd |
| 04:20.57 | HermanDE_ | It was a "I know where all of the *good* food is being served" |
| 04:21.24 | HermanDE_ | dominicus, dd if=/dev/reallycooldvdorcdrompoint of=myreallcoolimage.iso |
| 04:22.08 | HermanDE_ | I've got beer waiting.... Why am I here? |
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| 04:23.09 | tharkun | HermanDE_: Don't answer you will regret it if you do |
| 04:25.39 | qq- | 04:47<qq-> HermanDE, hi , i fixed my router , for some reasons , router don't added local route (192.168.x.0) to his route tables , and that blocked lan clients to access internet , thanks you again for your helps , was a good lesson experience ;) |
| 04:27.49 | dominicus | HermanDE_: Is that seriously all that is necessary to do that? Now, that's just for DVDs. What if I wanted to backup/RIP my DVDs for my XBMC setup. (Kids like to scratch the DVDs till their ruined otherwise) |
| 04:28.12 | dominicus | HermanDE_: As in, DVD movies? |
| 04:31.01 | Arafangion | dominicus: "they're", not "their". That was somewhat amusing. :) |
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| 04:51.33 | hanibanaa | hi all |
| 04:51.53 | hanibanaa | where can I download Etch ISO images? |
| 04:51.58 | `Assassin | Somebody suggest I come here and give a suggestion to you Debian guys. |
| 04:52.04 | `Assassin | suggested* |
| 04:52.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | !cd archive |
| 04:52.26 | dpkg | A repository of older (unsupported) CD images can be found at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/ |
| 04:53.34 | `Assassin | I think it's lame that you can't add only a portion of a repository, and the guy I was talking with suggested I tell you that you Debian people have been doing it wrong for fifteen years. |
| 04:54.13 | Arafangion | `Assassin: Bullshit, but incidentially, what is this "correct" solution? |
| 04:54.27 | ham5 | whats your almighty distro assassin? |
| 04:54.36 | `Assassin | Ideally, you should be able to add a portion of a repository. |
| 04:54.43 | `Assassin | My distro is irrelevant. |
| 04:54.46 | Arafangion | `Assassin: And you can. Moving on... |
| 04:55.17 | hanibanaa | CutMeOwnThroat: thank you :) |
| 04:55.38 | Arafangion | `Assassin: The question is why the heck would you want to? |
| 04:56.22 | `Assassin | I don't want access to everything in the Debian repository for example. |
| 04:56.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | yw |
| 04:57.28 | Arafangion | `Assassin: Then don't. |
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| 04:57.46 | `Assassin | How do I do it? If I can do it, I'll tell you asked me to come here and give this suggestion. |
| 04:57.49 | `Assassin | He's in the channel. |
| 04:57.59 | `Assassin | tell you who* |
| 04:58.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | what is "access" |
| 04:58.56 | `Assassin | I want to add the oss4-base package to my repositories and not everything in Debian. |
| 04:59.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's like saying you don't want the whole telephone book, ideally you would only access part of it |
| 04:59.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | and what prevents you from doing so? |
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| 04:59.46 | Arafangion | `Assassin: The moment you stop talking about using the debian repository, however, is the moment your system is not a clean, debian system, but a wierd, obscure setup that few fully understand. |
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| 05:00.25 | `Assassin | I thought I was able to do this, but this guy wants me to add http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ instead of what I had for oss4-base. |
| 05:00.26 | qq- | !oss4 |
| 05:00.26 | dpkg | [oss4] Open Sound System is a cross-platform set of device drivers providing a standard audio API for Unix systems. OSS/Free was in the 2.2 and 2.4 series of Linux kernels, with OSS/Linux remaining proprietary, replaced by <ALSA> in Linux 2.6. Open Sound System v4.0 was made available under the GPLv2 in July 2007, packaged for Debian as oss4 in testing. http://www.opensound.com/ #oss on irc.freenode.net. |
| 05:00.44 | `Assassin | The repository URL I had earlier wasn't working. |
| 05:00.47 | Arafangion | `Assassin: So what you /really/ wanted is to take a package compiled for Debian, which espects a particular architecture, a particular set of dependencies, and a particular set of libraries, and install it on a different operating system? |
| 05:01.02 | `Assassin | Yes. |
| 05:01.10 | `Assassin | I didn't want to manually download it either. |
| 05:01.13 | Arafangion | `Assassin: Think about that for a while. |
| 05:01.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | I don't think you know what you want |
| 05:01.44 | `Assassin | I wanted to try it. I know that it may not work properly. |
| 05:01.52 | ansgar | `Assassin: Download source, (maybe do changes), rebuild, done. Expecting dependencies to work in other distributions is wishful thinking. |
| 05:02.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | I don't know what he's talking about... not sure he does |
| 05:03.03 | Arafangion | `Assassin: Not even Gentoo can do that, despite what they claim. |
| 05:03.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | can do _what_ |
| 05:03.19 | Parsifal | He's trying to mix Crunchbang with Debian. I wasn't serious when I suggested he come in here. |
| 05:03.30 | Arafangion | CutMeOwnThroat: Take a package, and in the most mundane anad ordinary fashion, install it on a different operating system. |
| 05:03.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | Parsifal, I figured you weren't serious from his 1st sentence on... I only didn't understand any of the rest :) |
| 05:04.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | Arafangion, simple - we can only recommend LFS to him |
| 05:04.49 | Arafangion | CutMeOwnThroat: An excellent idea. LFS taught me most of what I know in Linux. :) |
| 05:04.59 | `Assassin | What's that? |
| 05:05.15 | Arafangion | would love to set up another LFS system, but alas, too many other demands beckon him... |
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| 05:05.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | Arafangion, I never used it - I already knew too much... amongst others I knew not to install LFS ;) |
| 05:05.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | !linux from scratch |
| 05:05.59 | dpkg | i guess linux from scratch is uber cool, http://www.linuxfromscratch.org, or #lfs-support at irc.linuxfromscratch.org |
| 05:06.19 | Arafangion | CutMeOwnThroat: Ha, me too. :) There's a sweet spot. :) I also know "too much", which means I find LFS too hard to complete - my last attempt was to do an LFS system without bash or sysv init. :) |
| 05:07.16 | Arafangion | CutMeOwnThroat: Also, I tried using git as a package manager. :) |
| 05:07.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | Arafangion, well, I mainly knew it would be a major pain to upgrade and really, I felt the effort wouldn't be warranted by what I'd learn (the less clue you have, the more I profit, I guess... but not sure how much the effort goes down) |
| 05:08.24 | Arafangion | CutMeOwnThroat: That's pretty much why I always try for a very specialised result, where that doesn't really matter. |
| 05:08.37 | bocaneri | When does the next stable debian release? |
| 05:08.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | !wir |
| 05:08.48 | dpkg | methinks wir is When It's Ready. See also <rsn> and <siyh>. |
| 05:09.03 | bocaneri | Heh. |
| 05:09.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's not even frozen yet... so >6month from now |
| 05:09.37 | Arafangion | bocaneri: If you want known release dates, check out Ubuntu. |
| 05:09.46 | qq- | 2011 + 1 frozen= 2012 |
| 05:09.51 | bocaneri | Don't talk to me about ubuntu, thankee very kindly. |
| 05:09.57 | Arafangion | bocaneri: Granted... Ubuntu might not even /work/ properly in that release... But at least it's released, right? :) |
| 05:10.00 | bocaneri | What's the policy on security updates for testing? |
| 05:10.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | bocaneri, there are no fixed dates in Debian... my >6 month is just ... well, I don't think it'll be a lot faster than the last 2 times |
| 05:10.50 | bocaneri | Ubuntu is on my Crap List for installing pulseaudio and making it necessary for me to web around to find out how to remove it. |
| 05:10.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | !testing security |
| 05:10.54 | dpkg | NOTE: there will be no testing security support for some time. Put "deb http://security.debian.org squeeze/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file. Regularly update your APT index and upgrade (e.g. # aptitude update && aptitude full-upgrade) to keep up-to-date on security updates in Squeeze. Keep up to date by reading <d-d-a>. Also ask about <d-s-a>, <apt-listchanges>. |
| 05:11.19 | Arafangion | bocaneri: It went on mine when a minor upgrade (not even a distupgrade) resulted in deletion of my openGL headers. |
| 05:11.46 | bocaneri | In that case, you and I have no argument where ubuntu is concerned. :D |
| 05:12.01 | bocaneri | I'm thinking about jumping to squeeze. Thinking. :) |
| 05:13.03 | Arafangion | bocaneri: It's fine to jump to sqeeze as long as you know how to fix issues... Just last week I wasn't able to create ext3 partitions without work. |
| 05:13.21 | Arafangion | bocaneri: But you're on your own. |
| 05:13.37 | bocaneri | I may not be up to that. I've been using debian for a reason, as opposed, say, to fedora or gentoo :D |
| 05:14.05 | Arafangion | bocaneri: Then stick with stable, and use backports, or make your own backports. |
| 05:14.07 | bocaneri | Debian Lenny: install, boot, enjoy. |
| 05:15.50 | qq- | so i say, longer squeeze takes, longer i be happy with lenny ;) |
| 05:16.29 | bocaneri | I'm not complaining. If I get irritated, I'll just install something more "up to date" on a computer I don't care as much about. |
| 05:16.37 | bocaneri | My main machine? Gotta be reliable. |
| 05:18.16 | Arafangion | My main machine is a win7 system... Even Ubuntu is more reliable. |
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| 05:18.59 | bocaneri | You have my sympathies. I hear there's a cure for tht. |
| 05:19.01 | bocaneri | that, even. |
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| 05:19.47 | Arafangion | bocaneri: I don't want to change jobs just yet. |
| 05:20.35 | bocaneri | Yea, well, I didn't claim the cure would be any more pleasant than how rabies is treated. |
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| 05:22.19 | Arafangion | It's not really feasible to do development on linux if you're working in a windows shop that primarily does windows development using the latest wizzbang visual studio features. |
| 05:23.50 | bocaneri | I agree. Unnecessary complication. |
| 05:24.09 | bocaneri | I won't shoot you or mock you for using Windows. All I can do is extend my sympathies. |
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| 05:25.28 | Piratero | Hello everyone. |
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| 05:29.28 | jpinx | Arafangion: does windows? :/ |
| 05:29.53 | Arafangion | jpinx: what is the question? |
| 05:30.05 | jpinx | you work on windows systems? |
| 05:30.18 | Arafangion | jpinx: Yes. |
| 05:30.33 | jpinx | Arafangion: sorry - ot - but I didn't realise ... ;) |
| 05:31.14 | Arafangion | jpinx: I mostly learnt windows on the job, and I still don't understand why windows devs like it so much! |
| 05:31.24 | bocaneri | They grew up on it. |
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| 05:31.48 | bocaneri | I looked at Windows APIs and walked away dazed. |
| 05:31.59 | jpinx | Arafangion: fairysnuff - each to their own :) |
| 05:32.40 | jpinx | Arafangion: but you know your way around debian too - so there's hope for you yet ;) |
| 05:32.42 | Arafangion | bocaneri: The windows API isn't actually that bad... If you look at how it used to be, the trouble is that there's so much *cruft* on top, nobody knows the internal stuff anymore, AND there's an annoying tendency to encourage hackjobs. |
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| 05:33.11 | Arafangion | jpinx: Ha. :) |
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| 05:34.01 | MACscr | i got a noob question. How do i change the netmask for my nic from the cli? What I have listed in /etc/network/interfaces isnt what is showing at ifconfig |
| 05:34.02 | jhutchins_lt | Arafangion: There's an enormous, self-reinforching universe of people who have always only done it the Windows way, and don't really think there is any other, and if you show them something else they start with the preconception that it's bad. |
| 05:34.34 | jpinx | Arafangion: they are commercial and clearing cruft costs money with no real benefit to the user |
| 05:34.37 | Arafangion | jhutchins_lt: Indeed. |
| 05:34.56 | Arafangion | jpinx: DIdn't stop apple. |
| 05:34.58 | jhutchins_lt | Windows was once actually pretty wonderful, for it's day. Each time I revisit it, I am reminded of the unverse where user control = bad, corporate focus = good. |
| 05:35.30 | Arafangion | jhutchins_lt: I've never had that feeling... Win95 was a sad joke compared to OS/2, which I did use for a day. |
| 05:35.35 | jhutchins_lt | I tried to use my Brother's IE today, and unless I typed in a full, complete, accurate URL it took me to a damned search engine. |
| 05:35.37 | jpinx | Arafangion: apple took a different path though - to build hardware |
| 05:35.41 | nsaguy | MACscr: ifdown <interface> then ifup <interface> |
| 05:35.53 | jhutchins_lt | Arafangion: Disagree. |
| 05:35.56 | Arafangion | jpinx: Their hardware is relatively generic though. People build hackintoshes. |
| 05:36.10 | jhutchins_lt | OS/2 is just an early fork of WinNT. |
| 05:36.43 | jpinx | Arafangion: sure, but given that they are style-masters, it would never look as cool :) |
| 05:36.47 | Arafangion | jhutchins_lt: Fair enough. Linux or even the BSD's didn't really hold a candle in those days. (Was Linux even around?) |
| 05:37.11 | jhutchins_lt | Arafangion: Strangely, enough, yes, but hard to find. |
| 05:37.12 | rozie | MACscr: show ifconfig output (on pastebin) |
| 05:37.22 | superlinux | hi. I have some debian dvd's . I don't want to add them to APT as in "apt-cdrom add". just want to know which file in the DVD's i should open to see if the package I want is there? there is this file which APT downloads when we do "apt-get update" this is what I am looking for in my DVD's. thanks. |
| 05:37.54 | jhutchins_lt | superlinux: What's the end goal? Install only stuff on the DVD? |
| 05:38.01 | Arafangion | jpinx: Every time someone uses my damned expensive mac book pro, they complain to me about the very real threat of slicing their wrists. (The edges of the mac book pro are very square... With sharp points in the middle) |
| 05:38.24 | jpinx | Arafangion: but they *LOOK* good :) |
| 05:38.27 | Arafangion | jhutchins_lt: Those days are just a blur to me... I was born in '85. :) |
| 05:38.37 | liable | get off my lawn! |
| 05:38.52 | rozie | Arafangion: it's made for emo kids ;) |
| 05:39.10 | Arafangion | liable: It'll regrow, a fact I'm sure you've observed many times. :) |
| 05:39.14 | jpinx | Arafangion: iirc linux was around then |
| 05:39.20 | superlinux | jhutchins_lt, no. those DVD's are 32bit debian. my system I am chatting from /is/ 64bit. mixing is bad, you know. |
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| 05:39.34 | jhutchins_lt | Um, yeah, disable. |
| 05:39.38 | Arafangion | jpinx: Perhaps it was... But the internet wasn't. (Not in my town unless you were a large company) |
| 05:40.15 | jhutchins_lt | Arafangion: There was FIDONet. |
| 05:40.50 | Arafangion | That's before my waking memories, alas. |
| 05:40.59 | jhutchins_lt | Arafangion: We actually taught the internet a thing or two before we died out. |
| 05:41.25 | Arafangion | Yeah? |
| 05:41.54 | jhutchins_lt | There was a significant influence on mail clients and mail transfer protocol; dynamic routing, etc. |
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| 05:42.29 | Arafangion | I've heard of the bang-path notation for email addresses. That's stretching my memories to its limits, though - and I've not actually /seen/ it being used. |
| 05:43.10 | jhutchins_lt | Mostly we figured out how to save something if mom tripped over the modem cord 58 minutes into a 60 minute download. |
| 05:43.55 | Arafangion | Nice. A feature we're still struggling with in today's "modern" world of windows systems. |
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| 05:46.30 | Arafangion | needs another turkish coffee. |
| 05:46.45 | bocaneri | I HAVE used bang paths, but it was in the very first couple of years of my Internet experience. I'd forgotten all about them until now. |
| 05:51.27 | Arafangion | I think '95 was when we had a modem. |
| 05:54.38 | jpinx | modems? you mean acoustic links? ;) |
| 05:55.40 | Arafangion | Come to think of it, I've used TTY's a lot. |
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| 05:56.04 | Arafangion | Right up until a few years ago, but that was mostly to chat to people without needing to listen to them. |
| 05:56.07 | Arafangion | is deaf |
| 05:56.43 | Arafangion | still wishes that chat systems supported a real-time mode./ |
| 05:56.54 | Arafangion | (ie, see each character as they are pressed) |
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| 06:02.12 | bocaneri | Huh? |
| 06:02.18 | bocaneri | Oh. |
| 06:02.25 | bocaneri | Arafangion, you're seriously deaf? |
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| 06:03.29 | xxtjaxx | hi folks Im thinking about using kismet on a really low spec machine and at the moment it wants a heck of a lot of deps and would neeed 81MB how can I do it really down to the bare minimum? |
| 06:03.41 | bocaneri | What's kismet? |
| 06:03.58 | xxtjaxx | bocaneri: apt-cache show kismet |
| 06:04.29 | bocaneri | Heh, I was afraid you were talking about some freaking buntu. |
| 06:04.51 | Arafangion | bocaneri: Yes, why is that so surprising? |
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| 06:05.07 | MeglaW | haha |
| 06:05.12 | MeglaW | ohh, wrong chan |
| 06:05.22 | jpinx | Arafangion: real-time irc would be so damn funny |
| 06:05.28 | xxtjaxx | bocaneri: I myself avoid any brown or formerly brown distro actualy wont recommend it to others anyway |
| 06:05.46 | bocaneri | Arafangion, because I don't often run into people who can understand the problems I have in a hearing world. |
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| 06:06.52 | xxtjaxx | I used kismet on my laptop befor (in "production") just this device / machine Im using it on is quite small so I want to have as least of the space consumed at all |
| 06:08.04 | Arafangion | bocaneri: Those are (usually) language problems, with the caveat that a deaf person can't understand the spoken language with the same clarity. (Unlike a tourist, who can learn the language) |
| 06:08.47 | Arafangion | jpinx: Perhaps it would. :) It would simply make it /faster/, that's all. You can read while the other person is typing. |
| 06:09.30 | bocaneri | I'm not actually deaf, but can't understand speech easily. I also can't hear my watch's beeps or the refrigerator in the next room. Text media like this one are freaking ideal for me. |
| 06:10.21 | Arafangion | bocaneri: The refrigerator has a sound? :) |
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| 06:10.32 | bocaneri | Arafangion, what you'd see is "Yb^Hea ub^H^Hbut theer'd^H^H^Hred^H^H'd be too much cno^H^Hfusion... |
| 06:10.41 | bocaneri | Arafangion, so I'm told. :D |
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| 06:10.59 | Arafangion | bocaneri: Ever considered learning sign language? |
| 06:11.43 | bocaneri | In my little corn patch, I'd be the only one who knew it. |
| 06:11.55 | Arafangion | could actually read that example line without even thinking about it. |
| 06:12.13 | Arafangion | bocaneri: That makes it tricker. |
| 06:13.10 | Arafangion | If I'm not at work, I use sign languages as my main language. |
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| 06:14.34 | bocaneri | I mostly just use "swear". In four different langugaes. |
| 06:14.37 | bocaneri | Languages, even. |
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| 06:17.19 | Arafangion | bocaneri: You must be popular, then(!) |
| 06:17.43 | bocaneri | People find it amusing, actually. I never swear at people, just machines. |
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| 06:18.53 | Arafangion | Do you live in a city? |
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| 06:19.58 | bocaneri | Nope. Way out in the sticks. |
| 06:20.41 | hape6 | hi |
| 06:20.49 | Arafangion | Ahh. If it were me, I'd be teaching 'em sign language... But one needs to know it first. |
| 06:21.28 | Arafangion | But then again, I'm completely deaf. The alternative is to pass notes. |
| 06:21.47 | hape6 | If I change /etc/security/limits.conf, Must I reboot my server? |
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| 06:21.53 | bocaneri | I do notes when I lose hearing in my good ear (infections and suchlike :sigh:) |
| 06:22.27 | elenril | is anybody aware of a backport of shorewall 4.2 (or newer) for lenny? |
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| 06:23.41 | Arafangion | bocaneri: Should go on a trip to visit the nearest deaf community for a look-see. :) Some people claim to have learnt some signs from youtube videos. |
| 06:23.57 | bocaneri | hape6, do a "man limits.conf". I think nothing you change is going to have any effect until the affedted people log in again. |
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| 06:24.47 | hape6 | thank you |
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| 06:26.12 | anoteng | can anybody please guide me in the direction of some instructions on how to file an ITP bug? |
| 06:28.00 | Arafangion | bocaneri: I must head off now - take care. :) By the way, I didn't use sign language until 3 years ago. |
| 06:28.58 | bocaneri | At 51, I may be a bit fossilised. :D |
| 06:29.24 | Arafangion | bocaneri: Pfft. :) |
| 06:29.46 | jmarsden | anoteng: http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/ perhaps? |
| 06:29.46 | Arafangion | bocaneri: My parents are picking signs up, even, and they're ~50. |
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| 06:32.46 | anoteng | jmarsden: Tanks, I've looked at that page before, but missed the part about adding new entries... |
| 06:32.50 | anoteng | thanks |
| 06:32.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions shorewall |
| 06:32.55 | judd | shorewall -- etch: 3.2.6-2; lenny: 4.0.15-1; squeeze: 4.4.9-1; sid: 4.4.10.1-1 |
| 06:32.59 | jmarsden | anoteng: You're welcome. |
| 06:33.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell bocaneri -about ssb |
| 06:33.49 | bocaneri | Why tell *me* about it? |
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| 06:35.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | err |
| 06:35.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | because I'm tired? |
| 06:35.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell elenril -about ssb |
| 06:36.37 | bocaneri | :D |
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| 06:38.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | anyway, you didn't tell him about it, so I figured you wouldn't know |
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| 06:39.30 | jpinx | how can fdisk -l show me a partition on a device but mount not see it ? |
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| 06:40.28 | MACscr | ok, so im running debian 5 and my network settings are completely ganked up. How can i remove my existing network settings and basically have it reconfigure/find my nic so i can reconfigure it? |
| 06:40.47 | Bushmills | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:40.54 | Bushmills | edit that file |
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| 06:41.28 | jpinx | http://paste.debian.net/78116/ |
| 06:41.29 | Bushmills | maybe /etc/resolv.conf, if "messing up" extents to resolver |
| 06:41.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | jpinx, a) mount only cares about fstab and b) no filesystem? |
| 06:42.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh icy weasel, thou hatht deserted me again |
| 06:42.12 | jpinx | CutMeOwnThroat: see the paste? |
| 06:42.21 | jpinx | heh |
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| 06:42.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think I already answered that |
| 06:42.42 | elenril | CutMeOwnThroat: thanks |
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| 06:42.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | elenril, see what judd said above for versions |
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| 06:43.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | (there's none in backports, else would be listed) |
| 06:43.47 | elenril | yeah, i've just built a sid version |
| 06:44.01 | elenril | hopes it doesn't have too big security holes |
| 06:44.34 | bocaneri | I've been staying with lenny even if a lot of it is "out of date" precisely for the security updates. |
| 06:45.38 | MACscr | Bushmills: edit that file and do what with it? Hell, the netmask in there never even seemed to apply and now that i have changed the network settings of the xen guest (the debian system is a xen guest), its not even showing any interface in ifconfig |
| 06:46.00 | MACscr | im working with a java console, so i cant really copy and paste what i have to easily |
| 06:46.08 | elenril | i'm using lenny on the router too for this reason, but now i need shorewall6 |
| 06:46.13 | elenril | which is not in lenny |
| 06:46.50 | Bushmills | you'd pretend that your editor is an graphical interactive configuration adjustment facility, which you'll use to set things up according your taste and requirements |
| 06:47.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | jpinx, oh, that... did you just create that partition? |
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| 06:47.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | jpinx, seems like udev just didn't create the device |
| 06:48.04 | jpinx | CutMeOwnThroat: it's a dd from my / to a SD card |
| 06:48.07 | MACscr | Bushmills: you talking to me? |
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| 06:48.34 | jpinx | CutMeOwnThroat: trying taking it out and re-inserting it to see if udev likes it |
| 06:50.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | jpinx, possibly mknod /dev/sdc1 c 8 33 |
| 06:50.26 | jpinx | didn't like that either :( |
| 06:50.50 | jpinx | bad superblock? |
| 06:51.06 | bocaneri | Is there any mention of it in dmesg? |
| 06:52.35 | jpinx | bocaneri: no journal found |
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| 06:53.03 | jpinx | bocaneri: INFO: recovery required on readonly filesystem. |
| 06:53.03 | bocaneri | What fs is on it? |
| 06:53.26 | jpinx | EXT3-fs: write access will be enabled during recovery. |
| 06:54.10 | jpinx | bocaneri: it's a dd of my / onto a SD card |
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| 07:04.07 | loopidity | does changing mac address of my usb0 also assigns me a new ip address? |
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| 07:07.25 | kingsley | loopidity: I don't know, but I doubt it. |
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| 07:16.56 | dz2 | i just upgraded from etch to lenny |
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| 07:40.34 | gps23 | how can i find which ethernet chip am i using? |
| 07:43.06 | dutchfish | gps23: what about lspci ? |
| 07:43.37 | jmarsden | gps23: lspci | grep Ethernet |
| 07:44.02 | streuner | or look at kernel.log |
| 07:44.32 | streuner | if the kernel supports it |
| 07:44.53 | gps23 | dutchfish: jmarsden streuner got it! thanks |
| 07:45.12 | jmarsden | You're welcome. |
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| 07:47.35 | rozie | gps23: if you have lspci running, take a look at http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ |
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| 07:47.52 | rozie | it often has clues what module (and what kernel version) are required |
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| 07:49.40 | man_in_ltop | waves |
| 07:49.55 | gps23 | rozie: actually i need to specify ethernet chip while installing minix3 on vmware. it turned out that my ethernet chip (nVidia) isn't in the options |
| 07:50.00 | man_in_ltop | anyone know if Ralink RT3090 wireless cards are supported? |
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| 07:51.39 | rozie | man_in_ltop: take a look at Debian wiki section wireless |
| 07:52.03 | streuner | !listvals rtl |
| 07:52.04 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'rtl' by value (15 of 71): 8139 ;; f5d7010 ;; fa311 ;; g-302 ;; mcp67 ;; peidran ;; qemu ;; rtl-wifi ;; rtl8139 ;; rtl8180l ;; rtl8188su ;; rtl8192e ;; rtl8192u ;; scyld ;; wp-rtl8185l. |
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| 07:52.15 | streuner | !listvals rt3090 |
| 07:52.17 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'rt3090' by value (7): rt3092 ;; rt2800 ;; rt3091 ;; ralink ;; rt3090 ;; rt3090sta ;; ralink firmware. |
| 07:52.29 | streuner | !rt3090 |
| 07:52.30 | dpkg | The vendor driver for Ralink RT3090/RT3091/RT3092 PCI-E 802.11n wireless LAN devices (rt3090sta) is included as a staging driver (amd64, i386 only) in Linux as of 2.6.32-rc1. Firmware is required (rt3090.bin), ask me about <ralink firmware> to provide. As RT3090/1/2 support was merged in <rt2860sta> at 2.6.33-rc1, rt3090sta is not present in Linux >= 2.6.33. For support of other Ralink 802.11n chipsets, ask me about <ralink>. |
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| 07:52.56 | simplechat | Hey, i think i might have screwed up my inittab |
| 07:52.59 | WormFood | why in the fuck would gthumb segfault when run as a user, but run ok as root? |
| 07:53.01 | man_in_ltop | ah, staging driver |
| 07:53.06 | simplechat | is that a valid reason why a server would boot up before shutting down? |
| 07:53.49 | man_in_ltop | that would explain why the driver is calling the device rt2860sta instead of what lspci says it is |
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| 08:14.30 | leo2007 | looking for a command-line tool to convert xls (ms excel) to html or text? Suggestions? |
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| 08:19.53 | dalias | leo2007, xlhtml |
| 08:19.56 | laust | Hi all |
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| 08:20.10 | leo2007 | dalias: do you have its home page? |
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| 08:20.31 | dutchfish | leo2007: extract is another one |
| 08:21.21 | laust | i have kernel 2.6.32-5 with nouveau. I need to have a version with the nvidia drivers, but want to keep the nouveau one. What is the clean debian way to do it? |
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| 08:21.45 | dalias | leo2007, google is your friend |
| 08:21.50 | dalias | or look at the debian package info |
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| 08:22.55 | leo2007 | dalias: thanks. I am reading it. what about powerpoint? |
| 08:23.13 | leo2007 | I can't find the home page of ppthtml. |
| 08:23.25 | dutchfish | leo2007: i can http://packages.qa.debian.org/x/xlhtml.html |
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| 08:27.13 | leo2007 | cheers. |
| 08:27.35 | dutchfish | leo2007: it originates at http://chicago.sourceforge.net/xlhtml/ |
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| 08:40.27 | dutchfish | hi, i want to know if there is already an initial project for a webbased debian POT translation going on, or maybe already in place? |
| 08:43.02 | dutchfish | bingo |
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| 09:08.56 | bop | does anyone used xvidcap in high resolutions like 1920x1200 ? |
| 09:08.58 | dz2 | the upgrade from etch to lenny went well. so far so good |
| 09:09.30 | bop | i can only get a 3.2 frame rate :s |
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| 09:20.26 | man_in_ltop | well the ralink wireless driver in 2.6.34 works marginally better than the driver in debian's 2.6.32 |
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| 09:20.59 | man_in_ltop | http://dpaste.com/209421/ << but i'm getting a null dereference kernel dump |
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| 09:24.12 | Piratero | I'm a bit confused. When building a package through dpkg-buildpackage, how exactly can I sign a package? |
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| 09:24.39 | Piratero | I tried the -p with "pgp" as its argument and it gives me an error at the end. |
| 09:25.00 | Piratero | I'm trying to patch quilt-0.48 before it's built. |
| 09:25.10 | Piratero | It's a package that exists already in testing. |
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| 09:36.21 | bolt | Is there a reliable way to get a "snapshot" of a large file on ext3? I have this 10 gig virtual machine drive I'd like a copy of, but it's running and keeps changing. Copying it has worked in the past, but I don't regard it as safe... Is it safe? Is there a tool to make a snapshot which wont be changed while copied? |
| 09:37.07 | Vroomfondle | can your virtual machine software not do it? |
| 09:37.16 | Vroomfondle | normally they can |
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| 09:45.09 | bolt | hm |
| 09:45.11 | bolt | checks |
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| 09:48.38 | molfar | help me pls to install lates git-core package (1.7.1) for lenny |
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| 09:52.44 | rudi_s | molfar: If 1.6.3.3 is enough install it from backports, if not I guess you have to install it yourself |
| 09:52.52 | rudi_s | !tell molfar about backports |
| 09:52.59 | rudi_s | !tell molfar about b-e |
| 09:53.22 | rudi_s | !tell molfar about ssb |
| 09:53.53 | rudi_s | s/1.6.3.3/1.6.5/ |
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| 09:54.13 | molfar | i tried to install git-core from sources, but make install show me errors |
| 09:55.19 | rudi_s | molfar: What errors? |
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| 09:55.27 | rudi_s | !paste |
| 09:55.28 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <paste2pastebin.pl>. |
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| 09:55.42 | snL20 | I've got a readynas duo.. and I can select between raid 0 1 & 5 is it useful to choose 5 when it only got 2 hd's ? |
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| 09:56.18 | dutchfish | molfar: why not use http://packages.debian.org/lenny-backports/git-core ? |
| 09:56.50 | molfar | dutchfish: how to do that?) |
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| 09:57.02 | dutchfish | !tell molfar about bpo |
| 09:57.07 | rudi_s | molfar: I already told you, read the message from dpkg about backports. |
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| 10:26.47 | eshat | Hi all,... anyone else experiencing problems with bash-completion on sid ? A message on each call of .bashrc appears in the terminal windows, saying how to use the command "complete". |
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| 10:34.24 | vaq | Does Debian support FreeBSD UFS filesystem read/write ? |
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| 10:36.17 | AimHere | Well Debian/FreeBSD ought to. |
| 10:36.36 | Kamping_Kaiser | pretty sure its a module |
| 10:36.53 | gps23 | AimHere: Debian/FreeBSD uses freebsd kernel |
| 10:37.27 | Kamping_Kaiser | gps23: ... and? |
| 10:37.30 | AimHere | That's probably why it's likely to have full UFS support |
| 10:37.52 | gps23 | vaq: Linux includes a UFS implementation for binary compatibility at the read level with other Unixes, but since there is no standard implementation for the vendor extensions to UFS, Linux does not have full support for writing to UFS. |
| 10:38.02 | gps23 | vaq: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_File_System |
| 10:38.55 | gps23 | Kamping_Kaiser: Linux kernel doesn't have full support for UFS, however running debian on freebsd kernel should have full support |
| 10:39.04 | vaq | okay |
| 10:39.50 | Kamping_Kaiser | gps23: isn't that what AimHere said >.> |
| 10:40.43 | vaq | CONFIG_UFS_FS_WRITE=y |
| 10:41.11 | gps23 | Kamping_Kaiser: i think vaq meant to ask if debian running on linux have full support of UFS |
| 10:42.30 | jelly-home | vaq: there are different variants of UFS and no modern ones are well supported in Linux. Was your UFS created on Solaris, FreeBSD, something else? |
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| 10:43.04 | vaq | under FreeBSD 8.0 |
| 10:43.16 | Misterangry | anybody here got experience getting the AirPort card on an iBook G4 working in Lenny? |
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| 10:46.02 | Misterangry | anyone? |
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| 10:47.21 | xxtjaxx | Misterangry: not me |
| 10:48.09 | Misterangry | oh my, you're so very helpful for informing me of your ineptidue, xxtjaxx! |
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| 10:48.59 | Misterangry | and no, that was not intended to be in a hostile tone.. neither was the typo intentional. blegh |
| 10:49.18 | gps23 | Misterangry: you got nice nick :) |
| 10:49.26 | Misterangry | lol |
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| 10:50.37 | Misterangry | would anybody at least know somewhere to point me? I've been looking around for a few days and haven't found anything |
| 10:50.43 | Misterangry | useful, that is |
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| 10:51.30 | Kamping_Kaiser | Misterangry: iirc its a broadcom chip, try the fwcutter stuff in non-free/contrib |
| 10:51.38 | Kamping_Kaiser | Misterangry: might not be what you want, but its a pointer |
| 10:51.49 | porter | hi guys, I have an USB harddrive and I need to mount it at bootime (Lenny) whoat does the fstab entry/line has to look like? |
| 10:52.47 | Misterangry | Kamping_Kaiser: I think that's what I've been fiddling with |
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| 10:53.34 | cahoot | porter: I's suggest using the uuid(s) of the partition(s) |
| 10:54.00 | porter | cahoot: I assumed so too, can you suggest some more details please |
| 10:54.15 | cahoot | (since it might be un/replugged) |
| 10:55.03 | porter | not just un/replugged but udev is probably loading the usb stuff too late, so in case fsck steps in, it cand find the usb-harddick |
| 10:55.14 | porter | (at boottime), not sure really |
| 10:55.58 | dutchfish | yep |
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| 11:04.30 | eshat | Hi all,... anyone else experiencing problems with bash-completion on sid ? A message on each call of .bashrc appears in the terminal windows, saying how to use the command "complete". |
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| 11:09.48 | gps23 | eshat: does the message comes when you do <tab><tab>? |
| 11:10.07 | eshat | gps23: no |
| 11:10.31 | eshat | gps23: just when I start a new xterm or cal "source .bashrc" |
| 11:11.18 | dalias | looks like you have a bogus 'complete' ocmmand in bashrc :) |
| 11:11.28 | gps23 | eshat: in my case an error came when doing tab-tab, so yours is different |
| 11:12.07 | abrotman | eshat: did you check the BTS? |
| 11:12.32 | eshat | abrotman: right now ;) |
| 11:12.45 | abrotman | you should start there before asking here |
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| 11:20.22 | eshat | okay, the problem is my bashrc |
| 11:20.45 | eshat | ". /etc/bash_completion" produces the error message, while "bash /etc/bash_completion" doesn't. Any ideas ? |
| 11:20.58 | eshat | BTW, what operator is the dot ? |
| 11:21.17 | gps23 | eshat: shortcut for source |
| 11:21.20 | greenmang0 | eshat: . is source |
| 11:21.35 | eshat | thanks, hmmmmm |
| 11:22.12 | eshat | well, then I have no idea |
| 11:22.25 | gps23 | eshat: which version of bash_completion? |
| 11:22.38 | eshat | 1.2-1 |
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| 11:23.53 | sixyearsofdreams | hi im trying to install sendmail-bin, i get some errors towards the end, could someone look at it plz? http://pastebin.com/1yEjdNr7 |
| 11:23.58 | gps23 | eshat: mine is older, using testing |
| 11:24.19 | eshat | gps23: okay, since everything works, I will wait for an update... |
| 11:24.21 | greenmang0 | eshat: when you use "." the file is read in current shell where as when you use "bash" the new subshell is created file is read in that shell and the moment file reading completes the subshell is destroyed...that might be the reason you can't see errors with "bash" but with "." |
| 11:25.02 | eshat | greenmang0: okay, thanks for the info,... |
| 11:25.06 | salvin | eshat: source .bashrc? |
| 11:25.11 | eshat | salvin: yes |
| 11:25.54 | salvin | eshat: why? |
| 11:26.08 | eshat | salvin: problems with bash_completion file |
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| 11:26.35 | salvin | eshat: "source .bashrc" is the problem |
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| 11:27.28 | sixyearsofdreams | anyone? http://pastebin.com/1yEjdNr7 |
| 11:27.34 | sixyearsofdreams | is it bad or can continue ? |
| 11:27.46 | eshat | Ohh I just solved the problem, by removing the bash_completion part in my ~/.bashrc |
| 11:28.04 | eshat | it seems to be enough, if it is uncommented in /etc/bash.bashrc |
| 11:28.15 | gps23 | eshat: bash_completion is good |
| 11:28.26 | eshat | gps23: yes, seems so |
| 11:28.48 | abrotman | sixyearsofdreams: ideally, you wouldn't be using sendmail |
| 11:30.00 | Nai-ux | what debian package should i install to get the 'lib' and 'include' directories to show in /usr/X11R6/ |
| 11:30.08 | jelly-home | jeez, debian _still_ creates invalid sendmail.mc? |
| 11:30.12 | eshat | sixyearsofdreams: I think heirloom-mailx is the package to use |
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| 11:31.25 | sixyearsofdreams | ok |
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| 11:31.50 | sixyearsofdreams | abrotman, eshat i was told that i need sendmail in order for my php mailing script to work? |
| 11:31.55 | abrotman | wrong |
| 11:32.17 | sixyearsofdreams | this is my mailing script http://pastebin.com/RVbd2UZU |
| 11:32.29 | sixyearsofdreams | hairloom fix my issues ? :) |
| 11:32.30 | jelly-home | sixyearsofdreams: 1) why are you doing this (installing sendmail-bin) 2) those messages may or may not be critical, depending on what you want your MTA to do |
| 11:32.31 | eshat | sixyearsofdreams: IIRC the program mail is shipped with all MUAs |
| 11:33.03 | sixyearsofdreams | i just want this mass mailing script to work properly, http://pastebin.com/RVbd2UZU |
| 11:33.15 | abrotman | sixyearsofdreams: that does not require sendmail .. you'd do much better to not spam people and not use sendmail |
| 11:33.17 | sixyearsofdreams | everything works fine, but it doesnt seem to be sending anything out |
| 11:33.32 | jelly-home | ok, so you want mail() function in PHP to work |
| 11:33.33 | sixyearsofdreams | im not trying to spam people, this is business related |
| 11:33.51 | sixyearsofdreams | i believe you are correct jelly-home , read somethingabout that funection |
| 11:33.53 | abrotman | then it's not a mass mailer |
| 11:34.10 | jelly-home | sixyearsofdreams: you just need _any_ mail-transfer-agent package installed and configured, it needn't be sendmail |
| 11:34.19 | abrotman | and shouldn't be! |
| 11:34.24 | valdyn | sixyearsofdreams: theres another mail function for php that does not rely on the local sendmail |
| 11:34.31 | jelly-home | that's a matter of opinion |
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| 11:34.37 | sixyearsofdreams | ok hairloom? lol |
| 11:34.43 | abrotman | jelly-home: if he's failing installing it, it shouldn't be |
| 11:35.39 | jelly-home | sixyearsofdreams: do you have a smtp smarthost thru with to send all your mail? |
| 11:36.04 | sixyearsofdreams | no |
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| 11:36.31 | jelly-home | sixyearsofdreams: does your provider not offer a SMTP server for their users? |
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| 11:37.20 | sixyearsofdreams | im not quite sure actualy, its clear, 3g connection |
| 11:38.01 | jelly-home | sixyearsofdreams: ask them, then use ssmtp or nullmailer instead of a complex MTA like Sendmail |
| 11:38.31 | sixyearsofdreams | alright sec going to ask them right now |
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| 11:39.32 | eshat | new problem: whenever I call aptitude I get the message, that "/usr/share/aptitude/aptitude-defaults.de - ifstream::ifstream " could not be opened, indeed that files does not exist, but aptitude-defaults does. |
| 11:39.54 | eshat | and yesterday there was an aptiude update |
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| 11:40.01 | valdyn | !sid |
| 11:40.02 | dpkg | sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. Sid is the destructive kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in; sid is not supported in #debian because sid users should be able to solve their own problems. Sid will never be released. See also <sid faq> <unstable>. |
| 11:40.05 | jelly-home | $o=array("m"=>"b","t"=>"i","w"=>"5","u"=>".","5"=>"z","q"=>"@"); |
| 11:40.05 | jelly-home | $alt=$o['w'].$o['q'].$o['m'].$o['t'].$o['w'].$o['u'].$o['m'].$o['t'].$o['5']; |
| 11:40.34 | jelly-home | srsly, why would a sane coder use idiotic obfuscation like this |
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| 11:42.10 | valdyn | to make his code look like asci art? |
| 11:42.34 | MooseMorals | How do I compare the lenny/etch versions of a file? |
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| 11:43.05 | sixyearsofdreams | jelly-home: ... dang chat tech cant answer it.. and its early arr |
| 11:43.19 | sixyearsofdreams | jelly-home: try it anyway? hlol |
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| 11:48.39 | eshat | how can I filter bugs, that only affect version 0.6.3-1 of aptitude ? |
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| 11:51.00 | eshat | found it: pkgreport.cgi?pkg=aptitude;version=0.6.3-1 |
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| 11:59.03 | deuterium | hia. i'm on lenny, installed mysql-server-5.0. when trying to connect to mysql as root (using 'mysql -u root -p', then enter my pwd) i get ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: YES) |
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| 12:00.54 | deuterium | deuterium: tried resetting the pwd using 'dpkg-reconfigure mysql-server-5.0' to make sure i use the correct pwd. but the error is still the same. what might be the problem? do i need to allow connections from localhost somewhere? or through sockets? |
| 12:01.15 | deuterium | urgh.. scratch the "deuterium:", sorry |
| 12:01.24 | dutchfish | deuterium: what happens when you just press enter on password question? |
| 12:01.40 | deuterium | using mysql or when reconfiguring? |
| 12:01.53 | dutchfish | deuterium: on using |
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| 12:02.15 | deuterium | ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO) |
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| 12:02.31 | deuterium | so looks like the local mysql actually accepts connections |
| 12:02.35 | dutchfish | deuterium: after musql -u root -p ? |
| 12:02.40 | deuterium | yes |
| 12:02.45 | dutchfish | s/musql/mysql |
| 12:02.48 | MooseMorals | now that I've upgraded to lenny from etch, I seem to be using gnu java rather than sun. How do I get sun java back? (since gnu java seems less complete) |
| 12:03.01 | deuterium | when just hitting enter instead of entering the root pwd |
| 12:03.11 | dutchfish | ok |
| 12:03.57 | dutchfish | is there an account for 'root'@'localhost' ? could it be accidentally being removed? |
| 12:04.02 | deuterium | dutchfish: should i try to reinstall mysql-server-5.0 (removing all the configs in /etc/mysql too? |
| 12:04.25 | deuterium | dutchfish: there is a system account for root, yes. not sure whether there is one for mysql? |
| 12:04.46 | dutchfish | deuterium: that wont solve it, unless you aptitude --purge it, but you can loose other settings as well |
| 12:05.54 | dutchfish | deuterium: next thing: is localhost resolvable? (ie if you ping it as an example) |
| 12:06.29 | deuterium | dutchfish: i just thought, maybe there's a skript kiddie kit out there that hacks not yet configured mysql servers, sets a pwd and somehow makes sure it can't be changed, also not using dpkg-reconfigure? |
| 12:06.35 | deuterium | dutchfish: let me check |
| 12:06.56 | deuterium | localhost resolves to local machine |
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| 12:09.03 | themill | dpkg: tell MooseMorals about install java |
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| 12:09.26 | dutchfish | i am out of suggestions, if you have backup, then try aptitude --purge mysqlserver and reinstall again |
| 12:09.48 | deuterium | dutchfish: ok, thanks |
| 12:10.28 | deuterium | dutchfish: let me take a look at the strace log of 'mysql -u root -p' first. maybe i find some more details why it doesn't accept the pwd |
| 12:10.32 | MooseMorals | themill: thanks, I've seen those, and my java was working fine under etch, but the lenny upgrade seems to have installed gjc, which isn't as complete a java implementation as suns, so now some of my apps aren't working. I'll keep poking the docs I guess. |
| 12:10.34 | dutchfish | deuterium: watch carefully if the purge does leave some files/dirs behind that could not being removed. if so, do that manually |
| 12:11.11 | themill | MooseMorals: have you confirmed that "sun-java6-jre" is installed? Have you run update-java-alternatives as dpkg said? |
| 12:11.11 | nsadmin | deuterium, if you don't trust mysql, maybe it's time to try something else |
| 12:11.25 | abuayyoub | Hi, I was wondering if anyone here is familiar with a program called NZBget |
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| 12:12.01 | deuterium | nsadmin: i also have postgresql on the same box, but i just find it strange that i can't login to mysql. it's not the first mysql-server i've set up. |
| 12:12.02 | MooseMorals | themill: oops, no, I hadn't installed the sun JDK. Thanks, I'll check that. |
| 12:13.36 | dutchfish | deuterium: the only thin i can think of is that it may fail due to no my.cnf and old_password exist in the /etc/mysql folder; if so, touch to create new one |
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| 12:14.18 | deuterium | dutchfish: both files are there |
| 12:14.23 | dutchfish | ok |
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| 12:15.27 | nsadmin | deuterium had you just upgraded to lenny or something like that? |
| 12:15.42 | deuterium | and can't find anything special apart from "setsockopt(3, SOL_IP, IP_TOS, [8], 4) = -1 EOPNOTSUPP (Operation not supported)" in 'strace mysql -u root -p 2>strace.log' |
| 12:15.45 | MooseMorals | Nope, that wasn't it. I'm still apparently using the gnu.javax classes. I guess I'd better start checking my classpath |
| 12:16.13 | deuterium | nsadmin: it's a native lenny, but i installed mysql about a week ago or so |
| 12:16.37 | abrotman | MooseMorals: did you run update-java-alternatives after installling the jdk/jre ? |
| 12:16.39 | nsadmin | oh ok, and were you able to log in then? |
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| 12:16.51 | themill | MooseMorals: have you confirmed that "sun-java6-jre" is installed? Have you run update-java-alternatives as dpkg said? |
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| 12:17.10 | MooseMorals | yup, update-java-alternatives --set java-6-sun |
| 12:17.55 | themill | MooseMorals: unless you've manually set JAVA_HOME, JAVA or CLASSPATH in your shell, then it would then be using sun java. |
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| 12:18.21 | abrotman | or the app sets it? |
| 12:18.55 | MooseMorals | my $CLASSPATH doesn't seem to be set at all now I check (echo $CLASSPATH just gives a blank line) |
| 12:19.24 | MooseMorals | its tomcat5.5, so I'm checking the /etc/int.d/tomcat5.5 script to see whats being set |
| 12:19.37 | nsadmin | doesn't that mean that java will set a default classpath? |
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| 12:20.24 | themill | nsadmin: yes, and if /usr/bin/java is sun java as set by "update-java-alternatives --set java-6-sun", it will use the sun classes |
| 12:20.55 | nsadmin | so maybe now he has to recompile some things |
| 12:21.39 | deuterium | btw, /etc/mysql/old_passwords.cnf: old_passwords = false. is that setting correct? |
| 12:21.43 | jpinx-eeepc | themill: is that better than the openJDK ? |
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| 12:22.45 | dutchfish | deuterium: if this is not an upgrade, yes |
| 12:22.55 | dennis1 | ok,I want to mount the secondary ata disk. Just plugged in squeeze HD as slave which no longer booted after safe upgrade kernel change. It is recognised by the bios. Now using a live CD, but that only mounts the primary HD which is always in this box. |
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| 12:23.46 | deuterium | dutchfish: ok. btw, i just noticed that using 'mysql -u debian-sys-maint -p' and its pwd, i can connect. maybe i can just set/reset root's pwd like this? |
| 12:24.18 | dutchfish | deuterium: maybe, but first check if the localhost account for root does exist at all |
| 12:24.43 | dennis1 | the command was something like lsp l or something to check if hd is there |
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| 12:26.05 | deuterium | dutchfish: oh, there is no root user for localhost in the mysql.user table. strange! dpkg-reconfigure actually did ask me for the root pwd and all went fine. maybe failed to create a root account nonetheless? |
| 12:26.14 | dutchfish | deuterium: bingo |
| 12:26.32 | Tommy_DO | How are you using flash on amd64, now that Adobe have cancelled the support of 64-bit Linux? I'm still looking for the most elegant way to use it... using a i386-chrooted browser is too much overhead for my taste... |
| 12:26.46 | deuterium | so i try to create a root account using mysqladmin and debian-sys-maint's credentials.. let's see :) |
| 12:26.55 | dutchfish | deuterium: yep |
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| 12:32.17 | nsadmin | if debian-sys-maint is so powerful why do you need an acct called root? just asking/curious |
| 12:33.56 | nsadmin | wouldn't the root acct be just as powerful as debian-sys-maint? |
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| 12:34.26 | dutchfish | nsadmin: there is quiet some software out that use root/localhost by convention |
| 12:35.13 | nsadmin | oh ok, I see. you mean quiet some mysql software, btw? |
| 12:35.27 | dutchfish | nsadmin: yes, and others as well |
| 12:35.52 | dutchfish | (during setup phase) |
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| 12:36.41 | nsadmin | ok... but would this apply outside the mysql "realm"? |
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| 12:37.31 | dutchfish | nsadmin: i dont know for sure, but i know from 3th party software i use, that it insists on root/localhost, after install you can remove it again |
| 12:37.55 | nsadmin | like, would it somehow relate to /etc/passwd, or would credentials like these apply to completely different (but authenticated) servers? |
| 12:38.21 | dutchfish | nsadmin: nope |
| 12:38.31 | nsadmin | ahh, ok |
| 12:39.07 | dutchfish | nsadmin: but i can imagine for a mysql pam backend (i have not tested thta myself) |
| 12:39.26 | deuterium | dutchfish: now i've added root and a password for root using SQL. strangely, i still can't login with root. looks like i need to 'aptitude --purge mysql-server-5.0' nonetheless |
| 12:40.17 | nsadmin | back up uyour data first |
| 12:40.20 | dutchfish | deuterium: also if this box was exposed to the net, check it thoroughly for rootkit signs (rkhunter and the like) |
| 12:40.33 | deuterium | nsadmin: fortunately, it doesn't have any data yet :) |
| 12:40.36 | daft | Hi guys, i have the Caused by: java.net.ConnectException: Network is unreachable java plugin problem for my icewasel. jre6 and plugin are installed and set as the alternative. |
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| 12:40.44 | deuterium | dutchfish: ok |
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| 12:41.11 | themill | dpkg: tell daft about java ipv6 |
| 12:41.19 | nsadmin | daft: what IP address is unreachable? |
| 12:41.31 | nsadmin | oh, nm, |
| 12:41.36 | nsadmin | must be known issue |
| 12:41.43 | themill | jpinx-eeepc: sometimes. Somewhat better performance in many situations but not as cross-platform. |
| 12:41.47 | guthur | I just update to the new testing kernel, and now get a hang on 'begin waiting for root file system' during boot |
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| 12:42.22 | jpinx-eeepc | themill: thanks - I have to use a JRE for some work online and wondered... |
| 12:42.27 | themill | nsadmin: yes... recurring for over 5 months now. How have you missed it!? |
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| 12:42.53 | nsadmin | guthur, can you boot older/working kernel? |
| 12:43.14 | nsadmin | themill: haven't been focused on java at all for a long time |
| 12:43.29 | guthur | nsadmin: Unfortuately not it seems to have hosed the both |
| 12:43.43 | themill | nsadmin: I meant how had you missed the several people per day asking about it here... |
| 12:43.49 | guthur | It changed fstab, but the UUIDs seem to match ok |
| 12:43.55 | deuterium | dutchfish: box is clean according to chkrootkit and rkhunter only displays two warnings for /usr/sbin/unhide and /usr/sbin/unhide-linux26 (might be related to the fact that this is a xen domU?) |
| 12:44.29 | dutchfish | deuterium: probably |
| 12:44.36 | nsadmin | themill: I dunno :) if I did know, I suppose I wouildn't have missed it! |
| 12:44.57 | deuterium | dutchfish: of course, it the box were already rooted, the scan could be faked. but i don't think it's rooted. |
| 12:45.07 | deuterium | s/it/if |
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| 12:45.59 | dutchfish | deuterium: you can also use checksums for the parts you dont trust and compare them on a separate box after unpacking the related deb |
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| 12:47.00 | guthur | nsadmin it does seem to happen after an upgrade to the kernel, it has happened to people moving to new kernels in the past |
| 12:47.02 | deuterium | dutchfish: ok. i think i will just purge mysql now. can't lose anything. |
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| 12:47.29 | guthur | I suppose I should wait for it to timeout and see what its exactly having bother with |
| 12:47.57 | nsadmin | deuterium, is this box a coupla feet away from you, or thousands of miles? |
| 12:47.58 | guthur | But the solutions all seem to point to using UUIDs which appear to be ok for me |
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| 12:49.35 | deuterium | nsadmin: some hundred miles.. but it's a new xen domU (virtual machine), so i don't risk a lot |
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| 12:49.48 | nsadmin | guthur: oh, ok,,, so you could probably get in with install cd or live cd and fix your grub config and /etc/fstab to either use uuids or correct the name |
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| 12:50.25 | nsadmin | deuterium of course you coudl ask them to wipe it and reinstall |
| 12:51.03 | guthur | nsadmin, I think so, I'm going to reboot here, the waiting for root part should time out and tell me the exact problem, It takes about 5 min or so. |
| 12:51.11 | guthur | the/then |
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| 12:53.29 | kodiak | Hi |
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| 12:53.47 | kodiak | I run Celestia, but I got the next messagge: |
| 12:53.49 | kodiak | (celestia:13856): GtkGLExt-WARNING **: cannot create GdkGLContext |
| 12:53.49 | kodiak | (celestia:13856): GdkGLExt-CRITICAL **: gdk_gl_window_impl_x11_make_context_current: assertion `GDK_IS_GL_CONTEXT_IMPL_X11 (glcontext)' failed |
| 12:53.49 | kodiak | modo de graficación: 0 |
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| 12:54.21 | kodiak | How I use the paste bot? |
| 12:54.35 | nsadmin | you could install pastebinit |
| 12:54.53 | kodiak | ok |
| 12:55.43 | nsadmin | then you can... (echo foo; cat somefile; someprogram 2>&1; dootherstuff) | pastebinit |
| 12:55.54 | deuterium | dutchfish, nsadmin: ok, removed mysql-server-5.0 in aptitude with "_" (to remove configs too). now when reinstalling, i was asked to set mysql's root pwd (which i supplied), but there were some problems with configuring the pakets: http://dpaste.com/209471/ |
| 12:56.05 | kodiak | thanx nsadmin |
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| 12:56.24 | nsadmin | or runyourprogram 2>&1 | pastebinit |
| 12:56.35 | dennis1 | Previous problem Solved. Since I'm on a live CD where can i see what distro and version sits on a partition of a Harddisk? |
| 12:56.38 | kodiak | And then, Haw can I paste the output here? |
| 12:56.47 | nsadmin | alternatively... you could install the perl module App::Nopaste |
| 12:57.08 | nsadmin | kodiak: pastebinit will tell you a url |
| 12:57.13 | nsadmin | tell here the url |
| 12:57.26 | kodiak | http://pastebin.com/GsrLhADb |
| 12:57.27 | kodiak | :) |
| 12:58.12 | nsadmin | that's just one way, btw... you can also go to a pastebin site and cut/paste text into it |
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| 12:58.59 | dutchfish | deuterium: can you provide us cat /etc/debian_version ? |
| 12:59.22 | deuterium | dutchfish: 5.0.4 |
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| 13:00.14 | deuterium | dutchfish: shall i try to restore /etc/mysql/conf.d/old_passwords.cnf and reconfigure? |
| 13:00.48 | althaser | setting up ALSA... warning: 'alsactl restore' failed with error message 'unknow hardware: VIA8237 Analog Device AD1980 AC97a:41445370 0x1043 0x80b0 any clue ? |
| 13:00.56 | dutchfish | deuterium: i more worried about line 2, that is whats making me wonder |
| 13:01.11 | dennis1 | dutchfish: thanks for giving me the answer :-) |
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| 13:01.38 | deuterium | dutchfish: /etc/mysql/conf.d/ might have been removed when purging mysql-server-5.0 in aptitude using "_" |
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| 13:02.13 | themill | deuterium: you might do better to purge all mysql packages and start again. This includes the mysql-common package. Check the output of "aptitude search ~nmysql" |
| 13:02.20 | deuterium | dutchfish: and now the deb's install/config script seems to miss this directory.. don't know why though |
| 13:02.25 | djura-san | o/ |
| 13:02.35 | deuterium | themill: ok, let me try |
| 13:02.37 | dutchfish | deuterium: i would like you to do it on the console ie aptitude --purge [foo] and look carefully for removal errors first |
| 13:03.10 | dutchfish | deuterium: i have a gut feeling some former install of mysql is messing it up, or your system has other problems |
| 13:03.40 | deuterium | dutchfish: ok, let's see |
| 13:03.45 | nsadmin | you might want to aptitude --purge [foo] > logFile 2>&1 |
| 13:04.03 | dutchfish | nods |
| 13:04.11 | deuterium | dutchfish: will reverse dependencies be removed automatically? |
| 13:04.16 | deuterium | nsadmin: ok |
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| 13:04.40 | nsadmin | then you can... cat logFile | pastebinit |
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| 13:05.43 | Engin | Can I give privillege to a regular user to bind ports <1024 ? |
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| 13:07.40 | dutchfish | Engin: nope, only root user or root gid can do that |
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| 13:10.20 | deuterium | nsadmin: pastebinit doesn't give me a pastebin url, only http://pastebin.com. file to big or so? |
| 13:10.39 | Iran | i just install ssh, how can i finf the ip of my box? |
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| 13:11.32 | nsadmin | Iran: as root, ifconfig |
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| 13:12.15 | dutchfish | deuterium: can you manually paste it to http://debian.pastebin.com/ ? |
| 13:13.15 | nsadmin | deuterium, hmm. do the manual pastage, then consider installing the perl module App::Nopaste after which you will have a /usr/bin/nopaste |
| 13:14.43 | deuterium | dutchfish, nsadmin : ok. http://debian.pastebin.com/D9MExAU5 |
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| 13:15.53 | guthur | nsadmin: It said that the partition with the UUID could not be found, but I have confirmed it is the correct UUID |
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| 13:15.56 | deuterium | btw, that's the result of 'aptitude purge mysql-server-5.0 >logfile 2>&1' |
| 13:16.33 | dutchfish | deuterium: do you have etckeeper installed or darcs? |
| 13:16.40 | Engin | dutchfish, hmm sucks, I need to programatically drop my privs then I guess. |
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| 13:16.47 | deuterium | dutchfish: etckeeper |
| 13:17.11 | Engin | what is the proper way of adding IPs to my debian box ? traditionally I'd add some ifconfig commands in /etc/rc.local |
| 13:17.16 | dutchfish | deuterium: it looks as if it is interfering somehow |
| 13:18.10 | deuterium | dutchfish: strange. i didn't notice any .git dirs/files in /etc/mysql and subdirs |
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| 13:18.56 | deuterium | and now there's a /etc/mysql dir left with my.cnf and strace.log (my strace log from before) in it |
| 13:19.17 | dutchfish | deuterium: secondly i would double check permissions. Normally purging a package wouldnt complain about those dirs |
| 13:19.29 | deuterium | should i try re-install mysql-server-5.0 or purge even more mysql-* packages? |
| 13:19.36 | dutchfish | no |
| 13:19.38 | deuterium | dutchfish: ok, let me check |
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| 13:19.56 | Engin | ? is there a debian network configuration mangagemenet tool for adding IPs or should I do it manually ? |
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| 13:20.09 | deuterium | root can access and write /etc/mysql and its files |
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| 13:20.35 | dutchfish | deuterium: i am assuming mysql-common is ok, unless you have found otherwise |
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| 13:20.58 | deuterium | dutchfish: i could purge it as well, if suggested? |
| 13:22.07 | dutchfish | deuterium: i would like to aptitude clean before you install mysql-server, maybe some old cache in that could be messing it up |
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| 13:22.45 | dutchfish | deuterium: last but not least, check what repositories you are using |
| 13:22.52 | deuterium | dutchfish: might it be that it's all just because of the missing /etc/mysql/conf.d/ dir with the old_passwords.cnf in it? |
| 13:23.13 | deuterium | dutchfish: ok, let me check the sources, then do an 'aptitude clean' |
| 13:23.17 | dutchfish | deuterium: no, it should be created on install of mysql-server |
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| 13:24.22 | deuterium | dutchfish: ok |
| 13:24.38 | deuterium | dutchfish: apt sources look fine to me: http://debian.pastebin.com/kmtvwcdP |
| 13:25.44 | deuterium | ok, did an aptitude clean. now trying to reinstall mysql-server-5.0 |
| 13:25.53 | dutchfish | deuterium: and there is nothing inside /etc/apt/sources.list.d ? |
| 13:26.14 | deuterium | dutchfish: no |
| 13:26.18 | dutchfish | ok, good |
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| 13:29.39 | abuayyoub1 | Can someone help me? Is anyone familiar with the program NZBget |
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| 13:30.27 | deuterium | dutchfish: error looks still the same: http://debian.pastebin.com/s7ff0XVa |
| 13:30.42 | dutchfish | scratches head |
| 13:31.09 | Iran | how can i install libtcl.so? |
| 13:31.21 | deuterium | dutchfish: /etc/mysql/conf.d (still) doesn't exist.. maybe i should recreate it and repeat the whole procedure? |
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| 13:31.37 | deuterium | just for a try |
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| 13:31.47 | Iran | ok |
| 13:32.00 | Iran | i should be root? |
| 13:32.12 | deuterium | Iran: sorry, that wasn't for you ;) |
| 13:32.22 | Iran | :) no worries |
| 13:32.23 | rgr | abuayyoub1: just state your problem. Possibly its a more general issue. |
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| 13:33.15 | dutchfish | deuterium: then i suggest mkdir /usr/sbin/mysqld && aptitude reinstall mysql-server-5.0 (i still find this funny) |
| 13:33.38 | dutchfish | error |
| 13:33.58 | dutchfish | i meant /etc/mysql/conf.d/ |
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| 13:35.02 | eptalon | heyas |
| 13:35.30 | deuterium | dutchfish: funny indeed.. now it didn't complain and created the passwords_old.cnf file too |
| 13:35.46 | deuterium | somehow seems to have missed that conf.d subdir |
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| 13:36.46 | eptalon | when resyncing a set of RAID drives, can I specify a min data rate to use? |
| 13:36.47 | dutchfish | deuterium: you are not the only one: http://www.webservertalk.com/message522851.html |
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| 13:37.54 | deuterium | dutchfish: yes, strange |
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| 13:38.18 | dutchfish | deuterium: does it work now? |
| 13:38.19 | deuterium | now i need to dpkg-reconfigure mysql-server-5.0 in order to be prompted for a root pwd |
| 13:38.24 | dutchfish | ok |
| 13:38.37 | Iran | can i ask whu im getting this error? -sh: make: command not found |
| 13:39.17 | kodiak | I have problems with Celestia: http://pastebin.com/GsrLhADb |
| 13:39.20 | dutchfish | Iran: have you installed make? and/or build-essentials |
| 13:39.51 | eptalon | Iran: you porbably need the package "build-essentials" |
| 13:39.59 | Iran | dutchfish, no i didnt, could you please tell me how? thanks |
| 13:40.03 | dutchfish | err: its called build-essential |
| 13:40.16 | dutchfish | without the trailing s |
| 13:40.23 | SauLus | how do you make backups of directories larger than 4.7GB to dvd? |
| 13:40.24 | dutchfish | yw |
| 13:40.26 | deuterium | dutchfish: dang, i still can't login using root. that's weird. |
| 13:40.51 | dutchfish | deuterium: i am running out of options ... ehe |
| 13:41.06 | deuterium | dutchfish: no problem, thx anyway! |
| 13:41.28 | dutchfish | deuterium: my best bet there is something funny in the dom-U setup |
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| 13:42.01 | dutchfish | deuterium: on what kernel is this dom-U running? |
| 13:42.08 | deuterium | dutchfish: really? i mean it's all kernel-level stuff and other apps seem to be fine |
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| 13:42.59 | dutchfish | deuterium: but in any case, your logs should have reported something |
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| 13:43.38 | dutchfish | deuterium: obvious things to check is temp space mounted, locales, timezone setup |
| 13:44.17 | abuayyoub1 | rgr, it's more like general question about the program. I can't seem to figure out why my NZBs are not queueing. I have to use the nzbget -A command for each one individually. |
| 13:44.18 | dutchfish | deuterium: mysql can be pretty determined about those |
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| 13:44.52 | dutchfish | deuterium: for the rest i have no direct clue |
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| 13:45.35 | deuterium | dutchfish: perhaps a charset/collation problem or so. for now i think i'll have to switch to postgresql. |
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| 13:46.16 | abuayyoub1 | rgr, also, I have it set in my config file that it shoudl unrar and par2 all completed downloads but it dosen't seem to be doing that eather. You wouldn't believe how difficult it is to find someone who uses this program. lol |
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| 13:46.41 | nima | i need framework means a frontpage in windows |
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| 13:46.53 | dutchfish | deuterium: anyway let me now if you find something else, i am even willing to retest in in one of my virtual machines, but not atm |
| 13:47.10 | nima | i need framework means a frontpage in windows |
| 13:47.39 | deuterium | dutchfish: debian-sys-maint can login again, as before. root can't. will let you know if i find the reason, thx! |
| 13:47.49 | dutchfish | deuterium: yw |
| 13:48.48 | abuayyoub1 | Hello, Can someone help me? Is anyone familiar with the program NZBget |
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| 13:49.27 | eptalon | !tell abuayyoub1 about ask |
| 13:50.15 | abuayyoub1 | eptalon, thanks, the reason I didn't ask it is seems extremely difficult to find someone else who actually uses the program. |
| 13:50.30 | Iran | i have other problem, i cant do putty on my local host like 192.*.*.* but i cant putty to debian by my IP why? thanks |
| 13:50.55 | abuayyoub1 | eptalon, anyhow, the problem is I cannot get my NZBs to queue also, it should unrar and par2 after it finishes downloading but its not and im not sure why, |
| 13:51.15 | eptalon | abuayyoub1: I dont know the program, sorry.. |
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| 13:52.58 | Iran | can someone please help me about that isuee? |
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| 13:55.29 | Iran | :) its okay i can wait |
| 13:55.33 | dutchfish | Iran: if i understand you correctly, you cant connect to a remote box over ssh with putty? |
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| 13:56.16 | Iran | dutchfish, i can when i use the local ip which is 192.168.*.* but when i try to do it when my ISP ip i cant |
| 13:56.38 | dutchfish | Iran: they prolly prohibitit ssh |
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| 13:56.56 | Bushmills | Iran: firewall |
| 13:57.12 | Iran | dutchfish, un what can i do ? |
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| 13:57.15 | abuayyoub1 | Hi, I'm having problems with a program called NZBget, I can't seem to get my NZB's to queue and it is not unrar or Par2, can someone help me? |
| 13:57.36 | shtrb | What is the debian equvalent package that store compat-wireless ? |
| 13:57.36 | Iran | bushmannt, how can i remove it? |
| 13:57.50 | dutchfish | Iran: as Bushmills says it could be firewall related too, you have to check that first |
| 13:58.25 | Iran | sure let me check thanks |
| 13:58.27 | Bushmills | hi dutchfish |
| 13:58.34 | dutchfish | Bushmills: hola |
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| 14:02.49 | superlinux | hi guys! how can I backup all the configuration files of my system? is there a tool? |
| 14:03.04 | cahoot | tar? |
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| 14:03.20 | superlinux | cahoot, no! not as simple |
| 14:04.23 | superlinux | I expect a - if there is a tool - to backup automatically every possible configuration |
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| 14:05.25 | frostschutz | tar /etc |
| 14:05.38 | cahoot | rsync? |
| 14:06.03 | superlinux | imagine I have samba, LDAP, apache, ... etc all that. I just dont care much about reinstalling my software. and my production/private files are already back-upped |
| 14:06.10 | Iran | dutchfish, can you please check this if you have time http://pastbin.com/5En9AKCU |
| 14:06.22 | superlinux | frostschutz, is't enough? |
| 14:06.55 | frostschutz | it depends on what you understand as "configuration". basically all system configuration files are in /etc |
| 14:07.17 | dutchfish | Iran: that shouldnt be related, i gies you have a working connection to the internet |
| 14:07.18 | frostschutz | but for example the mysql user password may be stored in a mysql database and that's in /var |
| 14:07.24 | superlinux | frostschutz, mostly the *.conf files |
| 14:07.28 | dutchfish | s/gies/gues |
| 14:07.33 | frostschutz | and other stuff may be stored in ~/.something |
| 14:07.56 | superlinux | frostschutz, the ~/ files are ok , cos it can be remounted |
| 14:07.58 | frostschutz | and then there's crontabs |
| 14:08.02 | frostschutz | in var |
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| 14:08.34 | frostschutz | is it configuration or not? ;) personally I just backup everything. Better one copy too many than too little |
| 14:08.44 | dutchfish | Iran: can you ping that remote machine? |
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| 14:09.22 | Iran | dutchfish, could you show me how? thanks |
| 14:09.28 | superlinux | frostschutz, me too, I do so |
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| 14:10.04 | dutchfish | Iran: ping x.x.x.x (the remote's ip address) |
| 14:10.09 | superlinux | I just ask cos in our arab forum such question was asked |
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| 14:10.24 | Iran | my local ip or my static ip? |
| 14:10.40 | dutchfish | Iran: the ip of the box you want to reach |
| 14:10.41 | superlinux | thanks |
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| 14:12.04 | Iran | dutchfish, i did and i got like replay from Ip: byte ect |
| 14:13.16 | dutchfish | Iran: ok, if your firewall doesnt block ssh, you should be able to connect, if not, your remote side might also block it or havet enabled ssh access on the machine |
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| 14:14.04 | dutchfish | Iran: hard to tell wich of those does apply |
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| 14:15.13 | dutchfish | Iran: if you are behind a firewall, you have to check that first |
| 14:16.50 | Iran | ic |
| 14:17.30 | Iran | any idea how should i check that? |
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| 14:17.51 | dutchfish | Iran: asking the owner of the remote machine? |
| 14:18.08 | Iran | Im the one, |
| 14:18.52 | Iran | i have got a router and switch my line "internet" is throw router to switch and from there goes to diff computer |
| 14:18.57 | project2501a | has anybody tried to install debian on a Sun Fire X4150 Server |
| 14:19.07 | dutchfish | Iran: so you have installed openssh-server on that remote machine? |
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| 14:19.58 | Iran | dutchfish, i install the ssh, is that what you mean? Sorry im totaly bigginer in this |
| 14:20.16 | dutchfish | Iran: no, you have to: aptitude install openssh-server |
| 14:20.28 | buntfalke | How to undelete files on ext4? |
| 14:20.44 | Iran | dutchfish, :) thanks let me try |
| 14:21.31 | Iran | okay installed |
| 14:21.54 | Iran | i shall try it now |
| 14:21.56 | dutchfish | Iran: now you should be able to connect with putty to that ip |
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| 14:23.51 | Iran | i cany find what ip i have to connect :/ i did ifconfig but dont show me the ip as i have it from ISP |
| 14:23.56 | Iran | cant* |
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| 14:24.43 | dutchfish | Iran: can you connect to its local ip the 192.x.x.x now? |
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| 14:25.36 | Iran | i can connec to 192.168..x.x.x but this is my local ip address by router mu ISP ip is like 87.x.x.x. |
| 14:26.05 | Iran | lets sat if i want to connect to my box when im out of my home by putty |
| 14:26.08 | dutchfish | Iran: 1. you cant connect to its outside ip form the inside 2. you have to make a portforwarding rule inside your router. |
| 14:26.09 | Iran | say* |
| 14:26.37 | eptalon | Iran: 192.168. is a block of IP addresses that are not unique |
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| 14:26.54 | Iran | ic |
| 14:27.13 | Iran | so i need to portforward |
| 14:27.22 | eptalon | So you need to tell your router to forward (port 22, ssh, probably) |
| 14:27.47 | Iran | could you please eptalon, hang on a sec |
| 14:29.43 | Iran | never did that but trying |
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| 14:30.35 | Iran | should be tcp or UDP ? |
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| 14:32.47 | eptalon | Iran: ssh is tcp |
| 14:32.48 | dutchfish | Iran: tcp |
| 14:33.24 | Iran | thanks dutchfish and eptalon :) |
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| 14:37.41 | nsadmin | the technical term for nets like 192.168.*, 172.[16-31].*, 10.* is "unroutable" |
| 14:37.57 | Iran | tcorrect me if Im wrong the portforwarding should be in the router itself ot boz? |
| 14:37.59 | kb9tui | good morning all. |
| 14:38.00 | Iran | box* |
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| 14:38.18 | nsadmin | Iran: otherwise, how will the port be forwarded? |
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| 14:39.52 | Iran | ic, thanks alot everyone i need to rad more about this problem ill let you know once i got any solution |
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| 14:41.04 | nsadmin | which problem? |
| 14:42.04 | Iran | nsadmin, i can do putty to 19.Xxx.xxx.xxx but what if i want to connect to my box from out side? means form my office since the box is at home |
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| 14:42.52 | Iran | for that i asked my ISP to provide me static ip which i have set it on my router, however after installing ssh and openserver |
| 14:43.09 | Iran | still i cant putty to my reall ip |
| 14:43.22 | nsadmin | oh, ok... yeah, the port forwarding thing is a good start (note, a more involved way is a VPN, but that might cost, and take time to set up and learn about) |
| 14:43.43 | nsadmin | oh, so you have a static IP now? |
| 14:44.01 | Iran | yes it is |
| 14:44.28 | nsadmin | ok, I was going to say something about dyndns but with static IP you don't need that |
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| 14:44.50 | nsadmin | what is your router? |
| 14:44.56 | Iran | ieven i tired that |
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| 14:45.17 | Iran | linksys Compact Wireless-G Broadband Router WRT54GC |
| 14:45.41 | nsadmin | is it running a linux or the original linksys software? |
| 14:46.28 | Iran | original linksys software |
| 14:46.30 | nsadmin | either way you should be able to do it but I think with the linksys you have to turn off dhcp server to be able to turn on port forwarding |
| 14:46.47 | Iran | i did |
| 14:46.50 | nsadmin | oh ok |
| 14:47.16 | nsadmin | well I'm no help here... you've already did everything I would have suggested |
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| 14:47.35 | Iran | you mean place it says assign Static DHCP ? |
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| 14:48.06 | Iran | or autocongifure DHCP? |
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| 14:48.32 | Iran | i have change the autocongifure DHCP to static ip and other one is enable |
| 14:50.26 | nsadmin | I can expleain what I mean this way... your external IP, being static, can be assigned to the router's wan port... but I'm talking about the -internal- side... your router has a dhcp server that serves your machines inside... and if I remember right, you have to turn that (inside) dhcp server in the router off, in order to allow port forwarding |
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| 14:51.20 | Iran | nsadmin, i did it now let e check :) |
| 14:51.21 | nsadmin | this is not to say you can't have dhcp... but it would have to not be in the router |
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| 14:53.34 | Iran | :) nsadmin, dutchfish, eptalon, many thankd for your times and efford,, Thanks for everything, i have to go now or elase my wife will kill me with shoutgun thanks alot will be back soon |
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| 14:59.59 | shtrb | What does the negative signal in iwlist stands for (I thought that signal have no sign) |
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| 15:03.46 | rares | ok something brokeded |
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| 15:04.30 | rares | when the system boots up it says can't open /etc/init.d/rcS |
| 15:04.39 | lindi- | shtrb: google for negative dBm |
| 15:05.13 | shtrb | lindi-, the problem is that I get also positive :( |
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| 15:05.37 | shtrb | but thnx |
| 15:05.48 | rares | i then have to mount /dev/mapper/[volume group]-root read write |
| 15:05.52 | hipy | hello |
| 15:05.53 | hipy | got a problem with installing debian and was hoping somebody got an idea what's wrong |
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| 15:05.58 | hipy | installation of debian goes well, but after the installation it won't boot |
| 15:06.03 | hipy | first i got a grub error, (error 17 i think, not sure) |
| 15:06.09 | hipy | and later on i don't get anything, it just don't boot |
| 15:06.16 | hipy | to be sure nothing was wrong with my hard drive i tried ubuntu aswell, which booted fine, but i really need debian :p |
| 15:06.22 | hipy | extra info, got 3 scsi hard disks in raid 5 |
| 15:06.32 | hipy | Can sombody help us? Its an HP proliant server. |
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| 15:07.24 | hipy | Also: it worked in the past |
| 15:07.30 | hipy | maybe another interesting thing to know, i'm installing it remotely with an ilo2 page, mounted the iso from my local pc to with ilo |
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| 15:08.56 | nsadmin | remotely? to what? |
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| 15:09.24 | hipy | erm |
| 15:09.29 | hipy | from home to the datacenter |
| 15:09.44 | hipy | We are at home. and stream the image to the datacenter |
| 15:09.53 | hipy | to our server |
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| 15:10.21 | nsadmin | and then your data center arranges for your vserver to boot that image |
| 15:10.48 | nsadmin | is this a colocated box? |
| 15:11.05 | habl | (friend of hipy, same server), yes it is |
| 15:11.10 | habl | ilo is a feature of hp servers |
| 15:11.18 | habl | so you can remotely manage the complete server and even install it |
| 15:11.56 | hipy | nsadmin: the instalation goes fine, but after that we reboot and we are at the part boothing from hdd: and from then it stops and nothing happens. No grub loading etc. |
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| 15:13.40 | nsadmin | btw, if ubuntu is working... a way you can proceed is to put a very small ubuntu at the end of the drive, then partition the rest of the drive, format the partitions, mount the / partition on something like /target and mount the rest of the partitions as appropriate where they'd normally go, then run debootstrap |
| 15:14.05 | nsadmin | but that would be a hack... |
| 15:14.29 | nsadmin | more effective would be to find out the difference that makes the difference in the boot |
| 15:14.50 | habl | i was thinking that aswell, only problem is i don't know how to find out :P |
| 15:14.56 | habl | so that's why we're here:P |
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| 15:15.46 | nsadmin | so the question would be, "why does ubuntu boot but the debian I'm installing not" |
| 15:16.16 | hipy | small note: debian is already installed. it boots from iso fine. Only hdd after install goes wrong. |
| 15:16.17 | habl | erm, more like, how to get debian install in a way i can also use it |
| 15:16.23 | hipy | lol |
| 15:16.39 | nsadmin | people who are angry, stupid and not in service to others will say "you said 'ubuntu', that's off topic" |
| 15:17.50 | hipy | erm |
| 15:18.06 | Arafangion | If ubuntu works but debian doesn't, the first place I'd look would be the kernel. |
| 15:18.08 | nsadmin | well yeah, but it would be helpful to know what the difference is, that would lead to knowing the problem and therefore solving it |
| 15:18.31 | hipy | Its the latest debian version. |
| 15:18.34 | hipy | same for ubuntu |
| 15:18.47 | jpinx-eeepc | hipy: what version debian? |
| 15:18.59 | habl | 5 |
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| 15:19.16 | eshat | does debian sid support btrfs ? |
| 15:19.37 | Arafangion | eshat: If you use sid, you're assumed to know how to figure that out for yourself. |
| 15:19.39 | jpinx-eeepc | hipy: are you using a bootloader like grub? |
| 15:19.50 | nsadmin | eshat, you'd have to find someone here that supports sid... |
| 15:19.53 | eshat | Arafangion: yes, one way, is asking here |
| 15:20.12 | jpinx-eeepc | !btrfs |
| 15:20.12 | dpkg | Btrfs (B-tree file system) is a copy on write filesystem for Linux aimed at implementing advanced features while focusing on fault tolerance, repair and easy administration. Merged in the mainline Linux kernel, available in 2.6.29 and later. Filesystem utilities packaged as btrfs-tools. Btrfs is currently not suitable for any uses other than benchmarking and review. http://btrfs.wiki.kernel.org/ #btrfs on irc.freenode.net. |
| 15:20.21 | hipy | since we install debian, yes it uses grub but it doesnt even come to that point / it doesny say anything |
| 15:20.24 | hipy | it just doenst boot |
| 15:20.28 | hipy | no messages |
| 15:20.31 | hipy | nothing |
| 15:20.38 | nsadmin | eshat, no, the assumption is you are INDEPENDENT of other PEOPLE... |
| 15:20.57 | eshat | tell hipy about enter |
| 15:21.07 | hipy | except for the first installation when it gave an error code |
| 15:21.09 | hipy | (17) |
| 15:21.11 | hipy | erm? |
| 15:21.16 | hipy | eshat, what do you mean |
| 15:21.19 | jpinx-eeepc | hipy: so grub comes up with your os's and when you select debian it dies? |
| 15:21.23 | nsadmin | he's saying you're too entery |
| 15:21.37 | hipy | jpinx-eeepc nope, it doesnt come up. we just see booting from hdd... and then a blackline and nothing. |
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| 15:22.05 | jpinx-eeepc | hipy: sounds like a grub issue |
| 15:22.35 | hipy | Possibly but how can we solve it. |
| 15:22.37 | eptalon | jpinx-eeepc: the latest grub (of like 2-3 days ago) in sid is buggy, and dies. |
| 15:22.39 | jpinx-eeepc | hipy: can you use the iso to get debian running and then rerun grub-config ? |
| 15:22.54 | jpinx-eeepc | eptalon: yea true |
| 15:23.04 | jpinx-eeepc | hipy: and use grub 1 if you can |
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| 15:23.10 | hipy | jpinx-eeepc: how |
| 15:23.12 | Arafangion | jpinx-eeepc: By the sounds of it, he wants to run *ubuntu* and install *that* grub-config program. |
| 15:23.17 | jpinx-eeepc | I hear nothing by hassle with grub 2 |
| 15:23.21 | hipy | its not a desktop pc btw, its a server 19inch. |
| 15:23.23 | nsadmin | can you find out what version of grub ubuntu uses? |
| 15:23.32 | hipy | ubuntu 10.04 uses latest grub |
| 15:23.41 | nsadmin | version? |
| 15:23.43 | hipy | is there a live cd in debian iso |
| 15:23.45 | jpinx-eeepc | Arafangion: yea - either os and run grub config |
| 15:23.46 | hipy | i dunno think 2 |
| 15:23.56 | hipy | its diffrent from previous versions. |
| 15:24.02 | Arafangion | jpinx-eeepc: Re-installing a version of grub that doesn't work isn't likely to fix it. |
| 15:24.17 | jpinx-eeepc | hipy: it might be an issue *because* it's grub 2 ;) |
| 15:24.22 | nsadmin | ok, then you dig deeper, how exactly does ubuntu install grub |
| 15:24.32 | hipy | it did ran in the past |
| 15:24.43 | hipy | only our server got hacked so we had to reinstall debian. |
| 15:24.50 | hipy | first time we got error 17 in grub |
| 15:25.04 | nsadmin | what is error 17? |
| 15:25.05 | jpinx-eeepc | I was suggesting he gets debian running any old way, and then gets grub installed and running |
| 15:25.26 | rares | why does the console say /bin/sh can't open /etc/init.d/rcS |
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| 15:25.31 | eshat | okay, btrfs is supported on sid |
| 15:25.36 | Arafangion | goes to bed. |
| 15:25.39 | jpinx-eeepc | but the ubuntu grub might be overwriting the debian grub.... |
| 15:25.46 | jpinx-eeepc | Arafangion: g'nite |
| 15:25.49 | smv | if i do aptitude update while LANG=ro_RO i get a E: Se deschide fiÈierul de configurare /usr/share/aptitude/aptitude-defaults.ro - ifstream::ifstream (2: No such file or directory) which means that it can't find the config file. no error while duing aptitude update if LANG=C, should i be worried? (ya, sid, i know) |
| 15:26.07 | rares | why not just go into ubuntu expert mode install grub and exit |
| 15:26.15 | hipy | jpinx-eeepc we did debian like 10 tries before we tried ubuntu. also note that we reset the raid several times and we formatted everytime. |
| 15:26.16 | eshat | smv: I got the same problem with german language |
| 15:26.30 | eshat | smv: since the new aptitude version works fine, I would just wait for a fix |
| 15:26.35 | hipy | nsadmin: no clue what error 17 is. |
| 15:26.46 | nsadmin | next step: find out |
| 15:26.50 | jpinx-eeepc | hipy: giyf for the errors |
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| 15:27.08 | hipy | giyf? |
| 15:27.22 | nsadmin | it would be helpful for you to know (1) what specifically this error means and (2) where to find all the other possible errors |
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| 15:39.23 | hipy | its just a blank line |
| 15:39.29 | hipy | and nothing happens |
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| 15:40.06 | Texou | hi |
| 15:40.41 | Texou | could you tell me how I can get rid of this log message please? "couldn't read 4 bytes from client" (I use gnome-keyring and Evolution)? |
| 15:40.44 | nsadmin | I still say install ubuntu in a very small partition at the end of the drive, create partitions for debian, mount them on /target and run debootstrap |
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| 15:41.24 | hipy | it isnt a solution |
| 15:41.30 | hipy | its a server i want it to work decent |
| 15:41.37 | jpinx-eeepc | hipy: grub-install |
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| 15:42.11 | nsadmin | how does the server help/serve people? |
| 15:42.27 | nsadmin | s/does/will/ |
| 15:42.41 | jpinx-eeepc | s/might |
| 15:42.45 | rares | he thinks hacks are like duct tape |
| 15:43.12 | hipy | jpinx-eeepc we are in a rescue shell, it doesnt exist. If you can explain how to get in a shell or what ever where it is avaiable it would be welcome |
| 15:43.48 | nsadmin | hipy, how will the server help/serve people? |
| 15:44.00 | nsadmin | what is its purpose? |
| 15:44.02 | jpinx-eeepc | hipy: not sure from the rescue shell, but grub-install is a grub command |
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| 15:44.10 | hipy | Thats not relevant to the current issue.. |
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| 15:44.34 | hipy | jpinx-eeepc how do you want me to run it if we cant boot to debian( not even grub... ) and the cd has only got a resque shell |
| 15:44.46 | jpinx-eeepc | hipy: http://grub.enbug.org/Debian |
| 15:44.49 | nsadmin | because if the purpose is to increase your income, perhaps you'd be interested in a paid service contract |
| 15:45.18 | jpinx-eeepc | hipy: that's the grub commands page |
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| 15:46.03 | hipy | and where do you expectme to type in that command |
| 15:46.04 | hipy | ... |
| 15:46.09 | jpinx-eeepc | hipy: try "update-grub" |
| 15:46.19 | hipy | and where do you expectme to type in that command |
| 15:46.32 | jpinx-eeepc | hipy: I thought you are on a command line? |
| 15:46.38 | nsadmin | hipy: you're not listening. how can you be in cooperation if you do not listen |
| 15:47.16 | hipy | I am listening. Again its a crappy resque shell where there are only 10commands.. |
| 15:47.18 | nsadmin | maybe debian is not for you |
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| 15:47.33 | hipy | seriously.... |
| 15:47.38 | nsadmin | seriously. |
| 15:47.42 | hipy | i am listening |
| 15:47.59 | hipy | But i am saying that allt hose comamnds cant be typed in the rescue shell |
| 15:48.11 | hipy | if we try rescueshell installer enviorment it gives a big fat error |
| 15:48.34 | jpinx-eeepc | hipy: get out of the rescue shell and boot into ubuntu |
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| 15:49.03 | hipy | and debian + ubuntu use both the same version of grub?. |
| 15:49.07 | nsadmin | we're not low enough level to deternine what you're doing and what you're not doing and when... so no evaluation is possible on either side at this moment |
| 15:49.16 | jpinx-eeepc | hipy: and get on the command line in ubuntu as root and type "grub-install" |
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| 15:49.37 | hipy | k, this will take 30minutes since we have to stream 700mb to the server. |
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| 15:49.45 | rares | ok this is retarded |
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| 15:49.58 | rares | i can start iceweasel from root but from user |
| 15:50.01 | rares | WTF! |
| 15:50.03 | nsadmin | 700 mb? you mean ubuntu doens't have a netinst? |
| 15:50.29 | nsadmin | and also cannot store previous images? |
| 15:50.33 | jpinx-eeepc | hipy: you have us all really confused |
| 15:50.40 | rares | hipy debian and ubuntu can install off the net |
| 15:50.55 | nsadmin | he's trying to do a remote install |
| 15:51.15 | jpinx-eeepc | hipy: i thought you are working on a remote server with 2 OS's in place, one of which is debian that dopes not boot |
| 15:51.22 | nsadmin | on a machine that apparantly has scsi disks in a raid setup |
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| 15:51.57 | hipy | jpinx-eeepc its a single os. Its a server in adatacenter. |
| 15:52.04 | hipy | yes it has raid5. |
| 15:52.05 | nsadmin | oh, that's two good points |
| 15:52.10 | hipy | and it wont boot |
| 15:52.25 | hipy | even if we select boot from hard disk in ubuntus boot menu ( we accidently booted ubuntu server ) |
| 15:52.29 | hipy | we just get a black empty line. |
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| 15:52.44 | jpinx-eeepc | hipy: do a fresh net install of debian |
| 15:52.59 | hipy | fresh net? |
| 15:53.06 | jpinx-eeepc | netinstall |
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| 15:53.11 | hipy | what is that. |
| 15:53.14 | jpinx-eeepc | !netinstall |
| 15:53.14 | dpkg | netinst is, like, a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ See also <check iso image>, <dialup install>, <usb install>, <installer>. |
| 15:53.16 | nsadmin | upload the netinst image |
| 15:53.34 | nsadmin | which is about 150-175 mb |
| 15:53.45 | jpinx-eeepc | hipy: you can do it with even less |
| 15:54.01 | jpinx-eeepc | read debian.org - "how to get..." |
| 15:54.08 | nsadmin | oh, the buscard one? |
| 15:54.23 | hipy | well we will try a net install. but i doubt it will work since via iso wont work. |
| 15:54.50 | jpinx-eeepc | hipy: read the notes |
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| 15:55.05 | jpinx-eeepc | hipy: do NOT start thee install till you really know whta you are doing |
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| 15:55.28 | jpinx-eeepc | unless you have remote hands to recover the situation |
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| 15:56.02 | hipy | we can acces the bios via ilo, put power down, on etc etc etc |
| 15:56.06 | hipy | pretty much everything |
| 15:56.10 | hipy | except touch cables |
| 15:56.13 | nsadmin | jpinx-eeepc, what exactly does he have... seems like some way, he can upload a cd image and boot it |
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| 15:56.27 | hipy | Can you install lilo via debian instalation |
| 15:56.43 | jpinx-eeepc | hipy: yes |
| 15:57.14 | nsadmin | you can also try legacy grub |
| 15:57.35 | jpinx-eeepc | normal grub works fine - no need to do anything fancy |
| 15:57.50 | jpinx-eeepc | the situation is obscure enough :/ |
| 15:58.18 | nsadmin | right, and since it's obscure, he's thinking lilo and I'm thinking legacy grub |
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| 15:58.26 | twantakur | hello |
| 15:58.27 | twantakur | help |
| 15:58.34 | jpinx-eeepc | hipy: http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst#netboot |
| 15:58.48 | jpinx-eeepc | hipy - keep reading ;) |
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| 15:58.58 | twantakur | why freetype doesnt exist at debian? |
| 15:59.29 | AimHere | It is on my system |
| 15:59.42 | eptalon | perhaps its named differently? |
| 15:59.45 | jpinx-eeepc | ,versions freetype |
| 15:59.47 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'freetype' was found. |
| 15:59.59 | twantakur | i wanna activate forbidden hinting |
| 16:00.05 | twantakur | :p |
| 16:00.09 | lindi- | ,versions libfreetype6 |
| 16:00.11 | judd | libfreetype6 -- etch: 2.2.1-5+etch4; etch-security: 2.2.1-5+etch4; lenny: 2.3.7-2+lenny1; lenny-security: 2.3.7-2+lenny1; sid: 2.3.11-1; squeeze: 2.3.11-1 |
| 16:00.13 | jpinx-eeepc | twantakur: get the package name right ;) |
| 16:00.17 | twantakur | OK |
| 16:00.18 | twantakur | sorry |
| 16:00.25 | jpinx-eeepc | lindi-: :) |
| 16:01.30 | nsadmin | not to be argumentative, but there are worlds outside of debian, and they already have names for their software distributions... debian could at least have a database including that relation |
| 16:01.50 | hipy | where in the normal setp can we change the boot manager? |
| 16:01.59 | hipy | setup* |
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| 16:02.17 | lindi- | nsadmin: name of source package is 'freetype' |
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| 16:02.39 | lindi- | this ",versions" just only knows about binary packages it seems |
| 16:02.43 | eptalon | hipy: thats paltform dependent, too |
| 16:02.54 | nsadmin | right, that could be of help |
| 16:03.05 | hipy | during the instlation?:S |
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| 16:03.36 | jpinx-eeepc | !lilo |
| 16:03.36 | dpkg | LILO (LInux LOader) is an operating system boot loader for x86 systems. Documentation packaged in lilo-doc. http://wiki.debian.org/LILO http://tldp.org/HOWTO/LILO.html . See also <grub>, <grub2>. |
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| 16:04.15 | nsadmin | isnt' there a place in grub setup where you're asked where grub at least stage1 is to be placed? |
| 16:04.26 | hipy | jpinx-eeepc during the instalation not later on. |
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| 16:04.36 | K1ng\ | http://pastebin.org/345635 <= any idea how to fix this error |
| 16:04.41 | jpinx-eeepc | hipy: not sure - I only use grub |
| 16:05.14 | K1ng\ | debconf: DbDriver "config": /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another process: Resource temporarily unavailable |
| 16:05.22 | jpinx-eeepc | hipy: is it essential that you use lilo ? |
| 16:05.25 | K1ng\ | anyone can tell me how to fix this? |
| 16:05.30 | hipy | jpinx-eeepc since grub doesnt work... |
| 16:05.56 | jpinx-eeepc | hipy: wait till you do the fresh install before you condemn grub ;) |
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| 16:06.07 | nsadmin | K1ng\, exit from all package mgr software |
| 16:06.19 | hipy | jpinx-eeepc i already condemd it since we did 10 times a fresh install and everytime it went wrong. |
| 16:06.24 | K1ng\ | nsadmin, its debian server |
| 16:06.37 | K1ng\ | killed all dkpg |
| 16:06.40 | jpinx-eeepc | delYsid`: you have synaptic or apt running on some other job? |
| 16:06.55 | nsadmin | how did you come to run them twice |
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| 16:09.23 | K1ng\ | nsadmin, no apt-get, dkpg is runing |
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| 16:12.12 | nsadmin | ok, aptitude? synaptic? any others that might have that lock? if you killed them in a way they didn't have a chance to respond maybe the lockfile exists |
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| 16:16.32 | nsadmin | K1ng\, hmm, it's not dpkg usage that's locked, it's debconf |
| 16:16.47 | mms_ | I have lvm managed hdd. I had root take up whole of hdd. I resized logical and physical volumes. Now can one tell what should be next step so that I can then create a new partition of fat32. |
| 16:18.12 | habl | hugs lilo |
| 16:18.14 | hipy | YEEEEEEEEEEEEEES |
| 16:18.16 | hipy | FIXED |
| 16:18.18 | hipy | liloooooo :D |
| 16:18.22 | hipy | well thanks for the help al |
| 16:18.28 | mms_ | I was hoping to see that /dev/hda2 which has lvm flags to be reduced in size but not... |
| 16:18.29 | habl | :p |
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| 16:19.27 | frostschutz | mms_: pvresize does not resize partitions, just the pv on that partition... you can then shrink the partition itself to the size of the pv. if you get it wrong your data is toast :) |
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| 16:20.00 | mms_ | frostschutz: well but we can get it right too. |
| 16:20.22 | frostschutz | mms_: if you know what you're doing, sure |
| 16:20.30 | mms_ | frostschutz: so how to now shrink the partition ? |
| 16:20.59 | frostschutz | use a partitioning program of your choice |
| 16:21.20 | frostschutz | personally I'd use sfdisk for this |
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| 16:21.58 | frostschutz | since it lets you backup the current partition table and restore it etc., also you can just change the size in the dumps etc. |
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| 16:23.49 | KaffeeJunky123 | is the dpkg bot dead? |
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| 16:26.38 | mms_ | frostschutz: thanks. I am having /dev/hda1 of type ext2 flagged boot and size 255 MB and /dev/hda2 of size 16.1GB an flag lvm. where is my swap ? is /dev/hda1 swap ? |
| 16:26.38 | AimHere | dpkg are you dead? |
| 16:26.39 | dpkg | AimHere: i don't know |
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| 16:28.14 | Schuenemann | hey there. I have this weird problem with squeeze. Everytime I try do a network request (IRC, web, IM, whatever) it takes several seconds to resolv the address. It goes normally afterwards |
| 16:28.37 | AimHere | Might you just have a really really slow DNS server? |
| 16:28.39 | KaffeeJunky123 | dpkg: why aren't you reacting to msg dpkg? |
| 16:28.41 | dpkg | KaffeeJunky123: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 16:28.47 | KaffeeJunky123 | <_< |
| 16:28.53 | Schuenemann | AimHere, I don't think so. I only have this problem with squeeze |
| 16:29.18 | mms_ | any one knows by default debian will create swap and / partitions so first one is swap and second / / |
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| 16:29.21 | AimHere | d*kg replied to me when I msged him |
| 16:29.37 | KaffeeJunky123 | it doesn't reply to me :( |
| 16:29.40 | Schuenemann | I googled a bit and found several complaints about this |
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| 16:30.32 | jpinx-eeepc | Schuenemann: sounds like a network problem - try different dns servers |
| 16:30.37 | jhutchins_lt | DNS |
| 16:30.51 | Schuenemann | I can't have a network problem only with squeeze, can I? |
| 16:31.07 | jhutchins_lt | Schuenemann: You do understand that squeeze is testing, not ready for release yet, right? It's expected to have problems. |
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| 16:31.13 | jpinx-eeepc | Schuenemann: try it and prove us wrong ;) |
| 16:31.14 | KaffeeJunky123 | AimHere: my bad, a pidgin plugin blocked priv messages |
| 16:31.18 | jhutchins_lt | Schuenemann: Sure you can. |
| 16:31.18 | AimHere | It might be that your networking setup in squeeze uses different DNS servers from your Windows ones |
| 16:31.49 | Schuenemann | jhutchins, of course I do, but that doesn't mean if doesn't have a solution I think |
| 16:31.52 | jhutchins_lt | Schuenemann: You could try an official release, which we would be able to provide support for here. |
| 16:32.14 | jpinx-eeepc | !tell Schuenemann about testing |
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| 16:33.19 | Schuenemann | http://linux.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/Debian/2009-12/msg00347.html |
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| 16:33.56 | Schuenemann | it says to add options single-request in /etc/resolv.conf |
| 16:35.05 | jpinx-eeepc | Schuenemann: it says you should use non-broken dns servers :P |
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| 16:36.08 | rares | /bin/sh: Can't open /usr/bin/iceweasel |
| 16:36.15 | rares | but it works as root |
| 16:36.40 | rares | i have uninstalled and reinstalled |
| 16:36.52 | rares | same for chromium |
| 16:37.06 | Schuenemann | jpinx-eeepc, how come it got broken out of nowhere? |
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| 16:37.42 | pilgo | I have this file in "/etc/apache2/sites-enabled/000-default" which apache uses to enable a virtual host. The question is where is that file name stored in the configurations? How do I change it? |
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| 16:38.06 | rares | pingo that's a link |
| 16:38.20 | jpinx-eeepc | Schuenemann: it's probably always been broken but you didn't notice |
| 16:38.25 | rares | loading the link into the editor changes the real file |
| 16:38.39 | rares | your problem is just your imagination |
| 16:38.52 | Schuenemann | jpinx-eeepc, I would noticed it taking about 10 secs to open a web page. |
| 16:38.56 | mms_ | I have two partitions reported in parted. one is boot flag and other has lvm. I assume then swap on the lvm related partition? |
| 16:39.12 | Schuenemann | and I repeat: this is just happening in debian squeeze |
| 16:39.14 | jpinx-eeepc | Schuenemann: read the full text of the page you linked here |
| 16:39.22 | rares | don't use parted on lvm |
| 16:39.27 | pilgo | rares: Sure. I tried renaming it and restarting apache but it was looking for that specific link name: 000-default. Where is that set? |
| 16:39.43 | rares | it's a link |
| 16:39.48 | rares | there is no setting |
| 16:39.52 | jpinx-eeepc | Schuenemann: it is not just squeeze, it is any new generation dns lookup workign with any oldstyle dns servers |
| 16:39.59 | rares | stop trying to rename |
| 16:40.00 | rares | it |
| 16:40.07 | pilgo | pilgo: Why can I rename it? |
| 16:40.15 | rares | it has 000 so that it remains unique |
| 16:40.26 | jpinx-eeepc | rares: enter is not a punctuation mark |
| 16:40.41 | rares | tell that to my touchpad |
| 16:40.46 | Schuenemann | jpinx-eeepc, ok. It suggests editing /etc/resolv.conf and the person there said it worked. Now, it's that file overwritten automatically? |
| 16:40.47 | cahoot | pilgo: what do you want to achieve? |
| 16:40.54 | pilgo | rares: hmmm. Ok the reason why I wanted to rename it was to see how things work. If I add another symlink how will apache know to enable it? |
| 16:41.01 | pilgo | cahoot: ^^ |
| 16:41.13 | jpinx-eeepc | Schuenemann: try it and see - you're working with testing..... |
| 16:41.35 | rares | pilgo: there are two folders sites-available and sites-enabled |
| 16:41.36 | jpinx-eeepc | rares: touché - my eeepc touchpad is very touchy too ;) |
| 16:41.53 | Schuenemann | jpinx-eeepc, first line in the line says it is generated by network manager... |
| 16:41.54 | pilgo | rares: right. |
| 16:41.58 | Schuenemann | in the file* |
| 16:42.02 | rares | apache loads every thing in sites-enabled |
| 16:42.11 | rares | to enable you link |
| 16:42.19 | jpinx-eeepc | Schuenemann: you use network manager??? |
| 16:42.21 | rares | to disable you remove link |
| 16:42.23 | pilgo | rares: hmm, ok, that makes sense, i guess. |
| 16:42.36 | pilgo | rares: just annoyed that I can't rename 000-default |
| 16:42.41 | mms_ | rares: I have resized both lv and pv for root. Now I still dont see in fdisk /dev/hda2 to shrink. I want to shrink int. |
| 16:42.52 | Schuenemann | jpinx-eeepc, I didn't use to, but it was installed with squeeze. And it is working... |
| 16:42.57 | eptalon | Is there a graphical frontend for rsync? |
| 16:43.03 | pilgo | rares: you saying that it's hardcoded somewhere? |
| 16:43.12 | jpinx-eeepc | eptalon: no |
| 16:43.36 | jpinx-eeepc | Schuenemann: welcome to testing - now do your own testing :) |
| 16:43.42 | cahoot | pilgo: or rather use a2ensite |
| 16:43.53 | mms_ | the /dev/hda1 which is marked at boot is boot partition I guess so what if /dev/hda2 is messed up I can still boot into /dev/hda1 ? |
| 16:44.06 | rares | there is no hardcoding |
| 16:44.07 | eptalon | jpinx-eeepc: I wished some "file manager" (the XFCE one) used rsync rather than cp. |
| 16:44.21 | rares | renaming doesn't change anything |
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| 16:44.43 | rares | you can't rename it if you are not root |
| 16:44.59 | jpinx-eeepc | eptalon: is it so hard to type rsync -av / /ext/hdd/backups ? |
| 16:45.21 | pilgo | rares: I'm not talking about permissions. I'm talking about the fact that I get an error restarting apache if I rename 000-default to something else. |
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| 16:47.07 | eptalon | jpinx-eeepc: no. but to do that for 72 directories to pick from a selection of about 150, to sync to the other drive. |
| 16:47.26 | cahoot | pilgo: perhaps read /usr/sbin/a2ensite |
| 16:47.44 | eptalon | in that case point & click is easier, but that uses cp, which is ineffivient. |
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| 16:47.53 | jpinx-eeepc | eptalon: the joys of adminning - use the exceptions options |
| 16:47.55 | pilgo | cahoot: good suggestion, thanks :) |
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| 16:48.24 | jpinx-eeepc | eptalon: and learn how to write a small shell script to automate it |
| 16:48.42 | eptalon | jpinx-eeepc: it's a one time job. |
| 16:48.54 | eptalon | no use automating. |
| 16:49.05 | jpinx-eeepc | eptalon: that what *you* think ;) |
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| 16:51.08 | rares | pingo you know maybe the 000 is so that it gets loaded first and it can't find any 000 |
| 16:51.23 | rares | so try naming 000-foo |
| 16:51.46 | rares | i still don't get what this renaming allows you to do |
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| 16:59.35 | rares | /usr/bin/grub-mkimage: Not found. |
| 16:59.35 | rares | /usr/sbin/grub-probe: error: cannot find a device for / (is /dev mounted?). |
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| 16:59.45 | rares | I downgraded wtf |
| 16:59.58 | jpinx-eeepc | !downgrade |
| 16:59.58 | dpkg | [downgrade] Downgrading is not possible with apt-get/aptitude and no future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>. |
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| 17:03.03 | rares | .: 69: Can't open /usr/lib/grub/update-grub_lib |
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| 17:04.16 | rares | btw what's the deal with the dm-N /dev/mapper issue |
| 17:04.23 | rares | what is that all about |
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| 17:06.55 | dirkson | Hey all. I'm getting large spikes of disk usage which slow things down. How can I tell which programs are using the disk? |
| 17:07.36 | lindi- | dirkson: /proc/sys/vm/block_dump |
| 17:08.44 | lindi- | dirkson: i'm afraid there's no fancy UI for this and the documentation is only in kernel |
| 17:08.44 | valdyn | dirkson: iotop, top |
| 17:08.44 | jpinx-eeepc | dirkson: top might give you some pointers |
| 17:08.57 | dirkson | Thanks! |
| 17:09.15 | valdyn | blktrace is probably not in debian kernels but its also probably overkill |
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| 17:10.03 | jpinx-eeepc | dirkson: also tail -f /var/log/syslog or wherever you logs are |
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| 17:15.46 | smhar | I had a BIG oops. I accidentally deleted many ongoing download from amule's list, and it seems that it even deleted the files in Temp directory. is there a way to recover them? |
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| 17:16.25 | mms_ | when I add new partition of fat32 using cfdisk should I make it bootable. I currently have ext2 as bootable. |
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| 17:17.18 | mms_ | bootable mean it will be default bootable in grub ? |
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| 17:17.59 | mms_ | If I toggle bootable on newly created fat32 then the ext2 bootable flag is gone. |
| 17:18.05 | valdyn | mms_: bootable flag is irrelevant to linux |
| 17:18.35 | mms_ | valdyn: I am in process of createing fat32 for winxp so I created primary fat32 partition. now do I make it bootable ? |
| 17:18.56 | valdyn | mms_: windows xp can and will take care of whatever it needs itself |
| 17:19.06 | valdyn | mms_: and will break your grub etc |
| 17:19.08 | mms_ | ok cool. thanks. |
| 17:19.30 | mms_ | well I can boot with live debian and fix it with in simple manner right ? |
| 17:19.37 | valdyn | mms_: yes |
| 17:20.08 | mms_ | valdyn: I guess I need to look up example of how winxp entry will look like ... |
| 17:20.33 | valdyn | mms_: that example is in debians default /boot/grub/menu.lst already |
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| 17:21.25 | mms_ | valydn: after xp install I will need to boot using debian live and then mount the volumes ...then go to /boot/group/menu.lst on /dev/hda volumes and then do edit of it.... |
| 17:24.13 | AmberJ | Hello |
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| 17:25.03 | lilith_ | hi everyone |
| 17:25.12 | bleeber | Hello |
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| 17:25.44 | AmberJ | I'm on debian lenny and I added lenny backports to my sources.list...Then I did 'sudo apt-get install -t lenny-backports virtualbox'...Now when I try to start a guest VM inside it, I get this: http://devio.us/~amberj/screenshots/vbox.png |
| 17:25.52 | lilith_ | say is there a reason for a group to be named after a user? |
| 17:26.17 | AmberJ | When I try to install 'virtualbox-osedkms', it says that it's already the newest version |
| 17:26.36 | lilith_ | I pass "group" in term and see the user I installed the system with/for |
| 17:26.40 | AmberJ | I even did 'sudo modprobe vboxdrv before starting virtuabox but it still fails |
| 17:26.56 | bleeber | lilith_: yes, its fairly common |
| 17:26.59 | lilith_ | or rather groups |
| 17:27.34 | bleeber | lilith_: i the user does not belong to any special groups it has to belong to one, so it gets assigned to its own group |
| 17:28.03 | lilith_ | bleeber: awe |
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| 17:28.07 | bleeber | lilith_: if you would like to change its group you can do so with the usermod command |
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| 17:28.34 | lilith_ | bleeber: you can't have a user without belongingto at least one group. I guess that makes sense |
| 17:29.06 | lilith_ | bleeber: it means I didn't screw up |
| 17:29.15 | qq- | AmberJ, try to reboot the machine |
| 17:29.17 | bleeber | lilith_: yeah, you're ok. :) |
| 17:29.27 | lilith_ | thanks |
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| 17:29.34 | AmberJ | qq-: Already did that too :( but it still fails |
| 17:30.10 | qq- | too bad , using same kernel ? |
| 17:30.29 | AmberJ | qq-: there were some errors when installation process was on... Is there some place where I can see log of output apt-get install? |
| 17:30.37 | AmberJ | qq-: Same kernel? |
| 17:30.52 | lilith_ | ciao |
| 17:31.24 | qq- | AmberJ, are the user in vboxusers group ? |
| 17:31.59 | qq- | AmberJ, i meant you don't changed the kernel |
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| 17:33.10 | AmberJ | All was working well when I was using version of virtualbox in lenny....Do I need to reconfig (like add user in vboxusers group) when I installed program from lenny-backports? |
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| 17:34.01 | AmberJ | qq-: ^that |
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| 17:34.18 | qq- | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:34.46 | qq- | no |
| 17:35.49 | qq- | try "id" to see vboxusers group is there too .. |
| 17:36.24 | qq- | AmberJ, if nothing work , reinstall |
| 17:36.44 | qq- | vbox |
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| 17:38.34 | AmberJ | qq-: Can you please look at this: http://codepad.org/bjDDof4p |
| 17:38.45 | EnginA | I need my server to be always available (in-case something went wrong and process is dead, it should be restarted). What is the proper way of doint it ? |
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| 17:39.33 | AmberJ | qq-: Line 108-112 especially |
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| 17:40.01 | AmberJ | qq-: Maybe lines 90-92 might be causing problems too |
| 17:41.36 | qq- | uname -r , say ? |
| 17:42.05 | AmberJ | qq-: 2.6.26-2-686 |
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| 17:43.56 | qq- | if you boot in 2.6.32 vbox work ? |
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| 17:44.42 | valdyn | !watchdog |
| 17:45.20 | EnginA | Is my messages reaching to this channel ? :) |
| 17:45.35 | AmberJ | EnginA: yes |
| 17:45.38 | valdyn | EnginA: google "linux watchdog" or somesuch |
| 17:45.55 | AmberJ | qq-: Let me reboot and check. brb |
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| 17:47.28 | EnginA | valdyn, this looks like more for keeping the kernel alive, rather than a user space program ? |
| 17:48.08 | valdyn | EnginA: your kernel does not need to be alive to run that program? |
| 17:48.29 | EnginA | well, this conversion is turning to be useless. |
| 17:49.04 | starenka | Hi all! What's the most elegant way to redirect user local mail to real email? thanks |
| 17:49.21 | valdyn | EnginA: a watchdog is a general term, it includes the kernel feature, you need to have both covered however |
| 17:50.42 | valdyn | starenka: the ~/.forward file works |
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| 17:51.12 | starenka | valdyn: heh, don't have such file, but thanks for hint |
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| 17:51.16 | valdyn | starenka: if an admin sets it then you can use /etc/aliases |
| 17:51.21 | valdyn | starenka: sure you dont have it by default |
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| 17:51.48 | superlinux | hi. how can I change the orientation of my real terminal? |
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| 17:52.13 | jpinx-eeepc | superlinux: xrandr -o 2 |
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| 17:53.31 | dominet | hello folks |
| 17:53.33 | superlinux | jpinx-eeepc, are you sure? |
| 17:53.35 | starenka | valdyn: hmm reading this article http://db.debian.org/forward.html maybe i'm a dotard, but it doesn't state the exact format of the file :( |
| 17:53.39 | superlinux | let's see |
| 17:53.49 | dominet | how many CDs do i need to install debian with GUI? |
| 17:53.55 | dominet | is it all within CD1? |
| 17:54.11 | starenka | yes |
| 17:54.12 | valdyn | starenka: http://www-acs.ucsd.edu/students/email/dotforward.shtml |
| 17:54.21 | jpinx-eeepc | dominet: do a netinstall |
| 17:54.23 | jordanm | dominet: if you have a network connection during the installation, just get the 150mb netinst |
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| 17:54.37 | dominet | that sounds good, many thanks folks |
| 17:54.39 | valdyn | starenka: ibm also have very complete documentation for this and their aix ( where its not any different.. just google ) |
| 17:54.47 | jpinx-eeepc | hi jordanm :) |
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| 17:56.39 | superlinux | jpinx-eeepc, I want the very real terminal the /dev/ttyX |
| 17:56.50 | superlinux | that what i want to rotate |
| 17:57.11 | superlinux | and I am using the commercial nvidia driver |
| 17:57.26 | jelly-home | valdyn: IBM has complete documentation because their systems are hopelessly overcomplex to be usable without it, and with docs, they're still not very usable until you spend months/years learning the dialect |
| 17:57.28 | superlinux | i was able to rotate by a relogin |
| 17:57.46 | AmberJ | qq-: 2.6.32's not installed on my system :( |
| 17:58.01 | jordanm | jelly-home: i want one... |
| 17:58.09 | AmberJ | GRUB should have shown an entry for 2.6.32...right? |
| 17:58.22 | qq- | AmberJ, starhge , your logo say yes .. |
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| 17:58.34 | jelly-home | jordanm: what, an ibm manual? |
| 17:58.41 | qq- | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:58.53 | jordanm | jelly-home: an overly complex IBM machine with full documentation |
| 17:58.54 | AmberJ | logo, qq- ? |
| 17:58.59 | AmberJ | uname -r |
| 17:59.01 | jelly-home | jordanm: you don't |
| 17:59.02 | AmberJ | oops |
| 17:59.10 | qq- | http://codepad.org/bjDDof4p |
| 17:59.16 | jelly-home | well, maybe to play with |
| 17:59.33 | valdyn | no one wants an ibm machine, but their docs can be very useful for linux |
| 17:59.33 | jordanm | AmberJ: generation of a new menu.lst, such as on a kernel upgrade, may not occur if you edit sections that it says not to edit |
| 17:59.58 | starenka | valdyn: thanks, it was "that hard" as just adding the email address in the file :D |
| 18:00.07 | valdyn | starenka: yea |
| 18:00.08 | starenka | (~/.forward) |
| 18:00.16 | starenka | i love linux |
| 18:00.21 | AmberJ | jordanm: I never touched menu.lst |
| 18:00.58 | AmberJ | jordanm: I even did 'update-grub' but it doesnot seems to find 2.6.32 :( |
| 18:01.16 | jordanm | AmberJ: update-grub2 and grub.cfg for grub-pc |
| 18:01.56 | AmberJ | jordanm: sorry, but I dont seem to understand your last reply :( |
| 18:02.35 | jordanm | AmberJ: if you are running testing/unstbale you are probably running grub2 which uses grub.cfg instead of menu.lst and update-grub2 for generating |
| 18:02.46 | jpinx-eeepc | AmberJ: what does uname -a tell you? |
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| 18:03.12 | tdp | kde in squeeze works decently now? |
| 18:03.38 | AmberJ | qq-: Also, when I was booting debian, the scrollback said: "Starting virtualbox kernel module No suitable vboxnetflt module for running kernel found FAILED" ...could this be causing problem? |
| 18:03.54 | jpinx-eeepc | tdp: test it and see - squeeze is not called testing for nothing |
| 18:03.55 | AmberJ | jpinx-eeepc: Linux cubbi 2.6.26-2-686 #1 SMP Tue Mar 9 17:35:51 UTC 2010 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 18:03.58 | AmberJ | Linux cubbi 2.6.26-2-686 #1 SMP Tue Mar 9 17:35:51 UTC 2010 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 18:04.04 | AmberJ | sorry for double posting |
| 18:04.15 | starenka | tdp: yes, i switched to squeeze/kde4 like 2mnths ago. It's okay. |
| 18:04.41 | jpinx-eeepc | AmberJ: what version of grub? |
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| 18:04.49 | AmberJ | jordanm: I'm running lenny though I added lenny-backports to sources.list .... so, I guess it's not grub2 |
| 18:05.21 | AmberJ | jpinx-eeepc: 0.97 |
| 18:05.28 | AmberJ | *GRUB 0.97 |
| 18:05.56 | jpinx-eeepc | AmberJ: did you tell grub to reconfigure? |
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| 18:06.19 | AmberJ | jpinx-eeepc: yes...I did "sudo update-grub" |
| 18:06.28 | AmberJ | Is that what you mean by 'reconfigure'? |
| 18:06.42 | jpinx-eeepc | AmberJ: annd that version will have menu.lst - which you can look at to see... |
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| 18:07.21 | mmnicolas | did anyone ever heard of a way to rotate a single window instead of the whole display ? |
| 18:07.36 | jpinx-eeepc | AmberJ: not sure about sudo grub - better if you are acctually su'd to root |
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| 18:09.07 | AmberJ | jpinx-eeepc: my menu.lst: http://codepad.org/cHgf3hVn |
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| 18:11.30 | jpinx-eeepc | AmberJ: looks like you only upgraded the kernel in your ubuntu ;) |
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| 18:12.26 | AmberJ | jpinx-eeepc: How do I upgrade my kernel in debian? |
| 18:12.31 | AmberJ | apt-get upgrade? |
| 18:12.37 | jpinx-eeepc | AmberJ: aptitude |
| 18:13.04 | jpinx-eeepc | !kernel |
| 18:13.06 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, linux-next: next-20100618, mainline 2.6: 2.6.35-rc3, snapshot 2.6: 2.6.35-rc2-git6, stable 2.6: 2.6.34 , stable 2.6.33: 2.6.33.5 , stable 2.6.32: 2.6.32.15 , stable 2.6.31: 2.6.31.13 , stable 2.6.27: 2.6.27.47 , stable 2.4.37: 2.4.37.9 |
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| 18:13.40 | jpinx-eeepc | ,versions linux-image |
| 18:13.42 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'linux-image' was found. |
| 18:13.47 | jpinx-eeepc | bah |
| 18:14.10 | AmberJ | !versions linux-image |
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| 18:14.20 | AmberJ | bah bah :( |
| 18:15.05 | AmberJ | jpinx-eeepc: So, I should install 2.6.32 version of linux-image package? |
| 18:15.26 | jpinx-eeepc | AmberJ: use backports |
| 18:15.33 | AmberJ | ok |
| 18:16.11 | jpinx-eeepc | AmberJ: aptitude -t lenny-backports <kernel-foo> |
| 18:16.24 | AmberJ | ok |
| 18:16.37 | jpinx-eeepc | AmberJ: after adding backports to your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 18:16.44 | AmberJ | I'll try this tomorrow. I'll be back with update after I try it. |
| 18:16.58 | AmberJ | yeah already added backports to sources.list |
| 18:17.11 | AmberJ | thanks jpinx-eeepc qq- |
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| 18:17.37 | jelly-home | ,kernels |
| 18:17.39 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.34-1-686 (2.6.34-1~experimental.2); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-15); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-15); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-15~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-22lenny1); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
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| 18:18.18 | AmberJ | is out now to sleep. |
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| 18:18.40 | jpinx-eeepc | thanks jelly-home - that syntax always fools me |
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| 18:19.07 | AmberJ | noted ,kernels too. |
| 18:19.16 | rares | every time i boot i have to use the single user link then I have to manually mount / rw and then I have to run /etc/init.d/rcS manually and finally control-D |
| 18:19.27 | rares | why |
| 18:19.55 | jelly-home | rares: what happens if you don't? |
| 18:20.25 | rares | i can't go into init 2 if i don't |
| 18:20.31 | hanibanaa | hi; is this correct that "SSL/TSL used with SMTP (SMTPS) only when SMTP-Auth has been enabled" ? |
| 18:20.34 | rares | if i don't remount |
| 18:20.46 | rares | it can't read /etc/init.d/rcS |
| 18:20.55 | rares | er can't open |
| 18:21.00 | jelly-home | rares: _exactly_ what happens when you boot normally? |
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| 18:22.01 | jelly-home | rares: a readable screenshot would be nice if you can't describe the symptoms |
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| 18:23.01 | kd5cfx | here (http://wiki.debian.org/OverridingDSDT) under "recompiling kernel" it says to edit debian/config/defines and change the architecture as appropriate. so, uh, what do I actually do to change the architecture? |
| 18:23.21 | jelly-home | By screenshot I mean a picture of the screen taken with a digital camera, quality sufficient to read the text on the screen |
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| 18:25.28 | rares | jelly-home is there a way to show the most recent error log |
| 18:25.39 | rares | from booting |
| 18:25.54 | ryx | when trying to configure grub-pc I get /usr/sbin/grub-probe: error: cannot find a device for / (is /dev mounted?). |
| 18:26.15 | ryx | is on an lvm on a crypted partition (sda2) |
| 18:26.34 | rares | I was getting that too |
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| 18:27.00 | rares | what you need grub 1.96 and grub-common 1.98 |
| 18:27.37 | wvae | hi , 'chmod -x' some file in init.d ill stop it from starting it at boot time or i must ve to ve to remove it from 'update-rc.d' to stop it from starting it ? |
| 18:27.47 | jelly-home | rares: hmph, there's bootlog but that may or may not show useful information |
| 18:27.50 | jelly-home | !bootlog |
| 18:27.51 | dpkg | somebody said bootlogd was disabled by default. Change /etc/default/bootlogd to "Yes" to populate /var/log/boot . For the reason behind the default, see http://bugs.debian.org/213028 (fixed since sysvinit 2.86.ds1-11). Not a command (as opposed to dmesg). |
| 18:27.52 | ryx | rares: so downgrade grub-pc to stable? |
| 18:28.11 | rares | yes |
| 18:29.10 | jordanm | grub-pc has quite a few rc bugs |
| 18:29.43 | ryx | didn't help |
| 18:29.53 | jelly-home | wvae: personally I like to mv /etc/rc2.d/S50foo /etc/rc2.d/s50foo, that way the order for init is kept if I want to reenable it later |
| 18:30.46 | wvae | ok thanks :) |
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| 18:32.48 | Pupeno | Any ideas where can I get a newer imagemagick package for Debian 5? |
| 18:33.19 | jpinx-eeepc | Pupeno: did you look in backports? |
| 18:33.36 | Pupeno | jpinx-eeepc: yes, I was really surprised to not find it in there; maybe I'm searching it wrong. |
| 18:33.44 | jelly-home | ,versions imagemagick |
| 18:33.45 | judd | imagemagick -- etch: 7:6.2.4.5.dfsg1-0.15+etch1; etch-security: 7:6.2.4.5.dfsg1-0.15+etch1; etch-backports: 7:6.3.7.9.dfsg1-3~lenny1~bpo40+1; lenny: 7:6.3.7.9.dfsg2-1~lenny3; lenny-security: 7:6.3.7.9.dfsg2-1~lenny3; sid: 7:6.6.0.4-2; squeeze: 7:6.6.0.4-2 |
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| 18:34.15 | jelly-home | apparently you're not |
| 18:34.45 | Pupeno | jelly-home: should that have listed backports? |
| 18:34.59 | jpinx-eeepc | it would do if there was one |
| 18:35.25 | jelly-home | Pupeno: if there were any in lenny-backports, yes. This means there are no packages with that name there |
| 18:35.38 | Pupeno | oh, ok... thanks. |
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| 18:36.52 | techexo | hi all |
| 18:37.15 | techexo | I have a problem with an experimental/unstable debian |
| 18:37.31 | AimHere | Well that's to be expected |
| 18:37.49 | techexo | and now, when i try to start the computer, i have this message : |
| 18:38.03 | techexo | "/bin/sh: Can't open /etc/init.d/rcS" |
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| 18:38.26 | techexo | followed by "/bin/sh: Can't open /etc/init.d/rc" |
| 18:38.32 | vieq | Hello, been trying to compile VMWare workstation 6.5 for Squeeze |
| 18:38.37 | vieq | got an error, http://paste.org/pastebin/view/19901 |
| 18:39.17 | jelly-home | I wonder if that's what happened to the rares person as well |
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| 18:39.46 | vieq | jelly-home: come again? |
| 18:39.49 | jelly-home | techexo: can you boot into single-user mode? |
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| 18:39.56 | jelly-home | vieq: ignore |
| 18:39.58 | techexo | I tried upgrade again with a chroot, no problem expect that i still can not boot |
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| 18:40.05 | vieq | jelly-home: well do |
| 18:41.27 | techexo | yes i can |
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| 18:41.43 | techexo | but he says always the same thing |
| 18:42.08 | techexo | and i can have a prompt |
| 18:43.22 | techexo | "INIT: version 2.88booting // /bin/sh |
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| 18:43.39 | techexo | : Can't open ..." |
| 18:43.54 | vieq | so no one, had such an error for VMware 6.5 over squeeze/ |
| 18:44.13 | techexo | then i can enter my passwd |
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| 18:45.07 | techexo | jelly-home, i can not really boot, but i could have a root access |
| 18:45.57 | rares | can't open /etc/init.d/rcS techexo? |
| 18:46.01 | ryx | btw, the solution to the grub-probe problem is _up_grading grub to unstable |
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| 18:46.21 | techexo | rares, exactly, that's itr |
| 18:46.24 | techexo | -r |
| 18:46.26 | rares | ryx until you try to reboot |
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| 18:46.55 | rares | techexo I have the same problem |
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| 18:47.11 | ryx | rares: howso? |
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| 18:47.38 | rares | when you reboot you won't be able to get past rcS |
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| 18:47.46 | rares | which kernel do you have? |
| 18:47.47 | techexo | rares, have youa solution ;) |
| 18:47.59 | rares | I have half a solution |
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| 18:48.10 | techexo | I have 2.6.34 and 2.6.32 |
| 18:48.21 | techexo | same problem with both |
| 18:48.28 | rares | what about you ryx? |
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| 18:48.49 | ryx | I'm on 2.6.32-5 |
| 18:49.05 | rares | well then good luck rebooting |
| 18:49.11 | ryx | rcS? that doesn't sound like a grub problem |
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| 18:49.33 | ryx | where does it hang then? |
| 18:49.50 | rares | it is because grub doesn't properly mount the root partition |
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| 18:50.13 | ryx | it's initrd who has to mount root |
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| 18:50.33 | rares | you get stuck at /bin/sh: can't open /etc/init,d/rcS |
| 18:51.03 | rares | i also get really odd can't run that file text file busy |
| 18:51.10 | rares | wtf this isn't windows |
| 18:51.25 | rares | files can't be open in parallel |
| 18:51.30 | techexo | sorry I unterstand not all... |
| 18:51.30 | rares | now |
| 18:51.45 | rares | techexo here's what you do |
| 18:51.52 | techexo | ok |
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| 18:52.25 | rares | you have to choose the boot option that say single |
| 18:53.08 | techexo | then ? |
| 18:53.17 | rares | ryx then initrd is fuxed for all 3 of us |
| 18:54.09 | rares | /usr/sbin/update-initramfs: 512: /usr/sbin/update-initramfs: Text file busy |
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| 18:54.20 | rares | this is the stupid crap it says |
| 18:55.30 | ryx | I've never seen that message |
| 18:56.02 | techexo | rares, sorry I have some problem with english, but after "single mode" in grub, i have'nt the message with initramfs |
| 18:56.28 | techexo | what should I do ? |
| 18:56.41 | rares | that's when I tried to recreate the initramfs |
| 18:57.13 | rares | what did it say when you loaded single mode? |
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| 18:58.08 | techexo | i have exactly the same messages then i could connect me in root |
| 18:58.10 | ryx | I'm not gonna reboot today |
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| 18:59.01 | ryx | update-initramfs runs cleanly here |
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| 19:04.39 | HackeMate | hi, i just want make gtkpod work :( |
| 19:05.36 | craigevil | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:06.55 | techexo | craigevil, in this file there is not CONCURRENCY= ... :( |
| 19:08.56 | techexo | but there is line "CONCURRENCY=makefile" in /etc/init.d/rc script |
| 19:09.01 | techexo | i comment it ? |
| 19:09.11 | craigevil | no thats fine |
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| 19:10.16 | techexo | it's normal that /bin/sh is a link to /bin/dash ? (it's not /bin/bash normally ?) |
| 19:11.25 | themill | techexo: from squeeze onwards, the default is dash |
| 19:11.25 | jelly-home | techexo: depending on which debian release you're running, and the answers you gave during recent dash/bash package upgrades, yes |
| 19:11.43 | techexo | ok |
| 19:12.11 | techexo | Do you have other ideas which may come this bug? |
| 19:12.25 | techexo | because it's serious ;) |
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| 19:15.31 | techexo | otherwise, i will make a reinstall |
| 19:15.42 | rares | i'm gonna set CONCURRENCY to none |
| 19:17.04 | jelly-home | techexo: you should reconsider being a user of unstable if you're not helping with fixing breakage |
| 19:17.47 | techexo | what means "helping with fixing breakage" please ? |
| 19:18.02 | nsadmin | techexo: debian people say, if you use testing for real work (not testing) you take additional risk because you use testing |
| 19:18.38 | jelly-home | techexo: means, when something breaks, investigate it, file bugs and help to fix it |
| 19:18.51 | jelly-home | techexo: that's what unstable is used for |
| 19:18.58 | nsadmin | but -expect- breakage |
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| 19:19.52 | techexo | normally, the problem are'nt so disturbing |
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| 19:20.05 | nsadmin | so, do you use testing for real work? |
| 19:20.34 | nsadmin | if so... you need to backup often, especially before any time you upgrade |
| 19:20.53 | nsadmin | if not... you need to backup often, especially before any time you upgrade |
| 19:21.07 | techexo | i'm young and i love challenge ;) |
| 19:21.13 | themill | !sidsmite techexo |
| 19:21.14 | dpkg | smacks techexo with a crippling libstdc++5 bug |
| 19:21.22 | nsadmin | so... you're not using the box for any real work? |
| 19:21.31 | techexo | not really |
| 19:22.02 | nsadmin | well that's cool, you get a chance to learn more stuff and maybe help debian along |
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| 19:22.25 | techexo | i try make bug rapport when i can |
| 19:22.49 | techexo | it's a modest contribution |
| 19:23.01 | nsadmin | but your -real- challenge... talk to 1000 women in this year for not less than 20 mins each |
| 19:23.12 | nsadmin | in person, not on phone |
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| 19:23.36 | techexo | i think that's will be OK ;) and i -hate- phone :p |
| 19:24.05 | gernot | Hi. I use squeeze on a laptop with a broadcom chip (broadcom-sta/wl driver). This works nicely with kernel 2.6.32-3 and before. With -5 wifi works but is incredibly slow (max 15 KB/s on g and n networks, with -3 it reaches about 4 MB/s). Does somebody maybe know about this? Would this be something for a bug report for that kernel? |
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| 19:24.42 | jelly-home | gernot: certainly sounds like a regression |
| 19:24.52 | codebrainz | stupid question: I'm in a i386 debootstrap chroot, I'm trying to configure the kernel but it won't let me pick any non-64bit processor types. my host system is 64-bit. how to configure for i686? |
| 19:25.24 | ElDiabolo | gernot, can you verify its the kernel by booting into 32-3? |
| 19:25.30 | techexo | nsadmin, so.... i am going for a reinstall |
| 19:25.32 | zebradog | codebrainz, i386 is not for 64bit |
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| 19:25.48 | gernot | ElDiabolo, yes I'm using 32-3 now. |
| 19:25.55 | codebrainz | zebradog, duh. I did the debootstrap with arch=i386 :) |
| 19:26.10 | lindi- | codebrainz: does apt-get --build source work? |
| 19:26.15 | techexo | goodbye everybody |
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| 19:26.51 | ElDiabolo | gernot, then it should be reported IMHO. |
| 19:27.00 | techexo | and thank you :) |
| 19:27.01 | techexo | ++ |
| 19:27.10 | codebrainz | lindi-, not sure, will that let me configure the kernel before it builds? |
| 19:27.20 | lindi- | codebrainz: well try it first |
| 19:27.26 | gernot | I was wondering if it could also be a broadcom-sta update's fault. I'm not sure if there was one and I don't know if the newer version would be build (with m-a) for all kernels or only the newest. Maybe the older kernel simply works better because it also has an order wl driver version. |
| 19:27.28 | lindi- | codebrainz: then you can learn to modify the build options |
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| 19:31.23 | gernot | Ah indeed, the two kernels have different versions of the m-a-built broadcom drivers installed (if I'm reading this correctly). |
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| 19:37.06 | nsadmin | if they're m-a built, they would be not in the kernel package but in separate packages |
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| 19:41.08 | tdp | hi |
| 19:41.38 | tdp | i just installed kde4 in squeeze and cpu usage is always 100% |
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| 19:42.52 | ElDiabolo | gernot, shure you need broadcom sta? my BCM4312 (rev 01) works pretty well without. |
| 19:43.06 | abrotman | depends which kernel you're using |
| 19:44.22 | ElDiabolo | gernot, on 2.6.32 |
| 19:44.28 | dvs | ElDiabolo: I tried the b43 with mine and it never works. |
| 19:44.37 | codebrainz | lindi-, I got it working using "schroot" program to fake 32 bit environment. |
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| 19:44.53 | ElDiabolo | considers himself lucky :) |
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| 19:45.40 | dvs | But the wl driver works perfectly for me. |
| 19:45.57 | ElDiabolo | dvs, I used ndiswrapper with 2.6.24, which diconnected every other Gb. |
| 19:46.21 | lindi- | codebrainz: i'm using schroot like that too |
| 19:46.25 | kd5cfx | following these instructions (http://wiki.debian.org/OverridingDSDT), I keep getting "/bin/sh: x86_64-linux-gnu-gcc-4.3: command not found" .... any ideas why this would be happening? |
| 19:46.32 | dvs | ElDiabolo: I've only had mine for about a year so I didn't have to deal with that. |
| 19:46.52 | codebrainz | lindi-, I'm not sure why it happened this time, I've done this before iirc and never had the issue. |
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| 19:48.36 | kd5cfx | I have build-essential installed. my local arch is i686, but I'm building for amd64 |
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| 19:49.11 | zork3 | Is there a way to turn a 3d movie into a 2d one? Mathematically the answer is yes, is there also software which already does it? |
| 19:49.22 | abrotman | kd5cfx: your compiler isn't gcc-4.3 ? |
| 19:49.47 | kd5cfx | abrotman: gcc-4.3 exists on my machine, though there are other versions here too... |
| 19:49.50 | abrotman | zork3: you'd probably do better in a channel where they discuss video |
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| 19:50.00 | abrotman | kd5cfx: does that exact command work ? |
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| 19:51.23 | zork3 | abrotman: nobody responded there; presumably because the answer is no. |
| 19:51.42 | abrotman | or you weren't patient enough |
| 19:51.43 | kd5cfx | abrotman: no.. |
| 19:52.08 | zork3 | abrotman: that's undecidable question. |
| 19:52.25 | abrotman | zork3: i'd imagine you'll have less luck here .. maybe try ##linux ? |
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| 19:53.12 | kd5cfx | abrotman: I'm upgrading gcc-4.3 .. maybe that'll help (it's also pulling some other packages in that I hadn't had installed) |
| 19:53.14 | codebrainz | zork3, like to merge the red and blue type 3d movies into a regular video? |
| 19:53.52 | zork3 | codebrainz: yes, I don't know how it works in detail, but my brains + glasses do this transformation. |
| 19:54.18 | zork3 | codebrainz: so, it must also be possible to do the same transformation with just software. |
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| 19:54.40 | codebrainz | zork3, my uneducated opinion is that it's not possible unless you have access to the red and blue feeds separately, otherwise it would be impossible to trip them out once merged into a video file |
| 19:55.02 | kd5cfx | abrotman: that exact command still doesn't exist |
| 19:55.09 | abrotman | kd5cfx: in your amd64 chroot? |
| 19:55.21 | kd5cfx | errr, how do I find that out? |
| 19:55.38 | kd5cfx | I don't think my chroot was amd64; at least I didn't specifically tell it to be |
| 19:55.40 | abrotman | kd5cfx: this might be easier if you use a vm or qemu |
| 19:55.51 | zork3 | codebrainz: I don't follow your argument. |
| 19:55.59 | abrotman | judd: find x86_64-linux-gnu-gcc-4.3 |
| 19:56.19 | abrotman | judd: find x86_64-linux-gnu-gcc-4.3 --release lenny |
| 19:56.25 | abrotman | judd: find x86_64-linux-gnu-gcc-4.3 --release lenny --arch amd64 |
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| 19:56.38 | abrotman | kills judd, waits for themill to show up and be angry |
| 19:56.59 | dvs | heh |
| 19:57.14 | codebrainz | zork3, the 3d video file contains two offset channels merged ontop of each-other. once merged, i can't see how they can be properly stripped apart. if you had access to the source video, there would be a left and a right channel video files, if you had those, you might be able to overlay them properly to make them normal 2d |
| 19:57.24 | abrotman | dpkg: find x86_64-linux-gnu-gcc-4.3 lenny |
| 19:57.34 | codebrainz | zork3, again, I'm certainly no expert on this, just my opinion |
| 19:57.39 | abrotman | codebrainz: it would be possible, but it's offtopic here |
| 19:58.31 | kd5cfx | abrotman: the instructions I was following seem to imply that it can be done without a virtual machine etc |
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| 19:59.58 | jelly-home | abrotman: "file", not "find" |
| 20:00.20 | abrotman | judd: file x86_64-linux-gnu-gcc-4.3 --release lenny --arch i386 |
| 20:00.22 | judd | No packages were found with that file. |
| 20:00.24 | abrotman | i was close! |
| 20:00.28 | abrotman | judd: file x86_64-linux-gnu-gcc-4.3 --release lenny --arch amd64 |
| 20:00.32 | judd | x86_64-linux-gnu-gcc-4.3 in lenny/amd64: gcc-4.3: usr/bin/x86_64-linux-gnu-gcc-4.3; ccache: usr/lib/ccache/x86_64-linux-gnu-gcc-4.3; distcc: usr/lib/distcc/x86_64-linux-gnu-gcc-4.3; ccontrol: usr/lib/ccontrol/x86_64-linux-gnu-gcc-4.3 |
| 20:00.35 | kd5cfx | abrotman: oh, I shouldn't have an amd64 gcc anyway; my local arch is i686 (well, my local gcc is i486) |
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| 20:00.57 | abrotman | your arch is i386, not i686 |
| 20:01.08 | kd5cfx | abrotman: okay, yeah ... :-P |
| 20:01.12 | abrotman | kd5cfx: wait .. what is `dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1` ? |
| 20:01.13 | kd5cfx | I just want it to compile for amd64 |
| 20:01.32 | kd5cfx | 2.11.1-2 |
| 20:01.39 | abrotman | judd: versions libc6 |
| 20:01.41 | judd | libc6 -- etch: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch10+b1; etch-security: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch10+b1; lenny: 2.7-18lenny1; lenny-security: 2.7-18lenny4; squeeze: 2.11.1-3; sid: 2.11.2-1 |
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| 20:01.54 | kd5cfx | oh, hm |
| 20:01.55 | abrotman | judd: file x86_64-linux-gnu-gcc-4.3 --release squeeze --arch amd64 |
| 20:01.59 | judd | x86_64-linux-gnu-gcc-4.3 in squeeze/amd64: gcc-4.3: usr/bin/x86_64-linux-gnu-gcc-4.3; ccache: usr/lib/ccache/x86_64-linux-gnu-gcc-4.3; distcc: usr/lib/distcc/x86_64-linux-gnu-gcc-4.3; ccontrol: usr/lib/ccontrol/x86_64-linux-gnu-gcc-4.3 |
| 20:02.24 | kd5cfx | yeah, upgrading |
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| 20:06.39 | kd5cfx | abrotman: didn't seem to have an impact |
| 20:07.14 | kd5cfx | but my local arch isn't amd64. is the x86_64-linux-gnu-gcc-4.3 supposed to compile *for* amd64 or compile *on* amd64? |
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| 20:08.37 | kd5cfx | abrotman: your searches kept being in arch amd64, which of course I don't have stuff installed from |
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| 20:09.23 | tdp | i just installed kde4 on squeeze and the process virtuoso-t uses 100% cpu |
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| 20:10.05 | abrotman | judd: file x86_64-linux-gnu-gcc-4.3 --release squeeze --arch i386 |
| 20:10.08 | judd | No packages were found with that file. |
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| 20:11.13 | kd5cfx | abrotman: right |
| 20:11.42 | kd5cfx | abrotman: I the problem is that it thinks because I'm compiling for amd64 that I should also be running amd64 |
| 20:12.01 | kd5cfx | I just need my local gcc to compile for amd64 |
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| 20:17.26 | s3a | if i do at then echo "Hello" > /dev/tty1 then press ctrl + d ill get "Hello" as a message in my non-graphical terminal, my question is: how do i do this in my graphical terminal? |
| 20:18.01 | lindi- | s3a: xosd-bin? |
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| 20:18.27 | jm | what do you mean by 'graphical' terminal? |
| 20:18.34 | jm | like an xterm? |
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| 20:19.30 | s3a | jm, like GNOME terminal |
| 20:19.37 | s3a | lindi-, is that for GNOME terminal? |
| 20:19.41 | jm | each terminal session will have its own pseudoterminal |
| 20:19.55 | jm | so the output would need to go to /dev/pts/<number> |
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| 20:20.03 | s3a | jm, ok so how do i make "at" do somethign FOR THE TERMINAL ITS RUNNING IN (not yelling) |
| 20:20.13 | jm | typing 'tty' at a command prompt should tell you what pts you're using |
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| 20:20.17 | lindi- | s3a: works for any X system |
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| 20:20.25 | vallhalla | do i need somthing extra to make mplayer play in framebuffer on debian because i am getting video playback in black and white with small vertical lines when i try |
| 20:20.47 | jm | echo 'hello world' > `tty` |
| 20:20.49 | jm | like that? |
| 20:21.24 | jm | what lindi is talking about is something that prints graphical widgets to your X11 screen, not something that prints to terminals, I believe |
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| 20:21.42 | s3a | jm, ok i did tty it gave me /dev/pts/1 and then i did echo Hi > /dev/pts/1 and that worked |
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| 20:21.50 | s3a | jm, ill try the other easier looking method u posted |
| 20:22.08 | jm | 'tty' just prints out the terminal you're using |
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| 20:22.36 | kd5cfx | abrotman: eh, I just mounted my local filesystem on my amd64 machine and am compiling from there. not the most efficient computing solution, but it'll have to do :\ |
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| 20:23.55 | HandyGandy | using the "apt stack" how can I list recommended packages |
| 20:24.26 | s3a | jm, ok only the first method u told me works |
| 20:24.26 | HandyGandy | s/recommended/uninstalled recommended/ |
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| 20:25.05 | jm | I gave you two methods? |
| 20:25.07 | s3a | jm, also why does the number grow every day, now it says 14, y isn't it restarting from 1 every time since all the "at" times have elapsed? |
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| 20:25.34 | s3a | jm, the first method was to type tty and get the specific terminal location if that's what it is then do echo "wtv" > location |
| 20:25.39 | jm | it depends on how many pseudoterminals are already in use, I believe |
| 20:25.56 | s3a | jm, i can close them all and the number still grows |
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| 20:26.15 | jm | doesn't for me |
| 20:26.20 | jm | looks like there are some hanging processes in the background |
| 20:26.23 | jm | still running from before |
| 20:26.26 | inspiron | does anyone know how to make debuild not create a .changes and buildlog files? |
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| 20:29.19 | s3a | jm, how do i kill them? |
| 20:29.43 | themill | inspiron: why would you want that? (that's a key output file from the build) |
| 20:29.56 | abrotman | kd5cfx: it's possible that package doesn't currently exist in squeeze/i386 |
| 20:30.08 | abrotman | themill: it's a secret |
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| 20:30.28 | themill | dpkg: tell HandyGandy about aptitude-fu |
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| 20:31.19 | HandyGandy | Thanks themill |
| 20:31.22 | kd5cfx | abrotman: it doesn't, and I don't think it should, right? |
| 20:31.25 | inspiron | themill: I am building a lot of packages. They all work. I don't really need the buildlogs. Or actually the best outcome is if I can specify a file where each log will be written to |
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| 20:31.47 | kd5cfx | abrotman: though it depends on the answer to my question: "is the x86_64-linux-gnu-gcc-4.3 supposed to compile *for* amd64 or compile *on* amd64?" |
| 20:31.48 | themill | HandyGandy: dpkg is a little unhappy about that factoid. /msg dpkg literal aptitude-fu |
| 20:32.03 | abrotman | kd5cfx: oh, missed that, i'd imagine so |
| 20:32.39 | themill | inspiron: you'd normally use the changes file to load the packages into the repository (you can also move all the files around using dcmd with the changes file). rm works too. |
| 20:32.40 | dvs | kd5cfx: if x86_64-linux-gnu-gcc-4.3 is on the amd64 arch and not on the 686 arch then it is *on* amd64 |
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| 20:33.29 | inspiron | themill: I'm using a different revision control |
| 20:33.46 | kd5cfx | abrotman, dvs: yeah, the problem is that it thinks because I'm compiling for amd64 that I should also be running amd64 as well |
| 20:33.51 | inspiron | themill: I will not be uploading to the official repository since my package is messed up and has other uses |
| 20:33.57 | abrotman | kd5cfx: that's crazy talk |
| 20:34.17 | themill | inspiron: even repo management tools like reprepro want the .changes file. |
| 20:34.27 | kd5cfx | abrotman: but that seems to be what it's doing... |
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| 20:35.02 | kd5cfx | why should it be so hard to compile a kernel for amd64 on an i386 machine? |
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| 20:36.25 | abrotman | kd5cfx: you could ask #debian-amd64 on irc.oftc.net if they have any brilliant ideas |
| 20:37.33 | kd5cfx | eh |
| 20:38.02 | kd5cfx | as I said, I'm just mounted the source on my amd64 machine and am compiling from there |
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| 20:39.56 | bjoernb | bye |
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| 20:42.22 | jm | s3a, by killing the shell connected to the terminal |
| 20:42.28 | jm | e.g., bash |
| 20:42.43 | jm | ps/top/etc should tell you which shell is connected to each terminal |
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| 20:55.40 | HakanBey_ | i am debian lenny user |
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| 20:57.35 | HakanBey_ | and my pc's wi fi adapter is intel 5100 agn . even though i do steps that on the debian wiki i couldn't use my wifi |
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| 21:03.03 | jordanm | Haraken: what is the pciid? lspci -nn |
| 21:03.24 | jordanm | ah gone and tab fail |
| 21:03.29 | Haraken | heh |
| 21:03.42 | abrotman | Haraken: did you get the bpo kernel ? |
| 21:03.59 | jordanm | abrotman: it was hakanbey who is gone already |
| 21:04.01 | Haraken | is that another tab fail? |
| 21:04.02 | Haraken | lol |
| 21:04.05 | abrotman | oh jeez |
| 21:04.24 | Haraken | I have had so many tabfails with this particular nickname |
| 21:04.28 | Haraken | almost zero on my last one |
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| 21:06.13 | riot | how do i boot after s2disk _without_ resuming? |
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| 21:06.32 | riot | i use sid, 2.6.32 |
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| 21:08.09 | themill | riot: add "noresume" to the boot command line. |
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| 21:14.57 | Piratero | Hello everyone. |
| 21:15.36 | project2501a | hi |
| 21:15.55 | project2501a | can you force dhcpd to give out IPs sequentially? |
| 21:16.12 | project2501a | instead of whatever within the allowed range? |
| 21:16.26 | Piratero | I'm trying to add a patch to a Debian package. Is there a way to manually have it patch the source code before I apply my own? |
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| 21:17.03 | project2501a | Piratero: with the patch command, perhaps? unpack the package, apply the diff, then patch your own stuff |
| 21:17.05 | project2501a | then repackage it |
| 21:17.16 | Piratero | Yeah, I was thinking about that. |
| 21:17.24 | Piratero | But, the other patches will break. |
| 21:17.37 | xuxin | i want to tab to rtorrent in my ssh propmt (it's running in the background). does anyone know how? |
| 21:18.04 | Piratero | project2501a: http://serverfault.com/questions/73360/assigning-sequential-dynamic-ip-addresses-in-dhcpd |
| 21:18.17 | project2501a | xuxin: erh, tab? |
| 21:18.22 | jordanm | xuxin: "fg" maybe? |
| 21:18.27 | project2501a | screen? |
| 21:18.32 | ciscoemsi | hi all |
| 21:18.42 | riot | themill, i tried it, doesnt work |
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| 21:18.55 | ciscoemsi | I would like to install mysql automatic |
| 21:19.04 | project2501a | pelicanhpc is going to be my bitch |
| 21:19.06 | ciscoemsi | with script |
| 21:19.12 | ciscoemsi | ? |
| 21:19.16 | xuxin | project2501a: "tab" was probably a bad choice of word, but hopefully you understood what i meant |
| 21:19.39 | project2501a | inshallah |
| 21:20.13 | xuxin | i tried screen |
| 21:20.18 | xuxin | -bash: screen: command not found |
| 21:20.27 | vallhalla | xuxin: jobs? |
| 21:20.45 | riot | alright it works now, thanks |
| 21:21.17 | xuxin | vallhalla: what's that? |
| 21:21.27 | ciscoemsi | does anyone can help me to create script to install mysql automatic |
| 21:21.30 | ciscoemsi | ? |
| 21:22.15 | vallhalla | xuxin: if you have backgrounded an program in a terminal it will bring its number up so you can call it to the front |
| 21:23.05 | xuxin | vallhalla: i see, thanks |
| 21:23.09 | project2501a | xuxin: not to be mean, but you should take a look at "learning the unix operating system" 6th edition, by oreilly |
| 21:23.20 | project2501a | xuxin: also, "unix power tools' |
| 21:23.43 | vallhalla | man bash | grep jobs willshow you more on it |
| 21:23.43 | project2501a | damn, those two books were mandatory reading back in the early 90s. what the heck happened? |
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| 21:24.30 | vallhalla | project2501a: people dont know what books are now :) |
| 21:25.00 | xand | ciscoemsi: eh, just install the mysql package(s) |
| 21:25.08 | purpleoptic | books cost money too |
| 21:25.18 | vallhalla | another must would be look at info and try man -k {search term} |
| 21:25.59 | vallhalla | altho if all did that it would be far too quiet in here |
| 21:26.39 | vallhalla | see you all doing it now and it all quiet |
| 21:26.43 | vallhalla | :) |
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| 21:28.14 | project2501a | vallhalla: that is sad :( |
| 21:29.07 | vallhalla | project2501a: in what way ? |
| 21:29.22 | project2501a | well, ubuntu, if i want to force the point |
| 21:29.29 | xuxin | I do read books, and i've been running linux for a few years now. This is the first time use ssh to control my server without psyical acess though |
| 21:29.43 | project2501a | i can be spoonfed. |
| 21:29.57 | project2501a | xuxin: then you never had access to your own rack |
| 21:30.08 | ciscoemsi | xuxin:I would like to automate the installation of mysql for example in the script I get the username and password |
| 21:30.12 | project2501a | xuxin: may i suggest you get some dinky laptop and make a small cluster |
| 21:30.15 | vallhalla | xuxin: was not intended as an attack sorry if it seemed so |
| 21:30.36 | project2501a | nah, it wasn't an attack. |
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| 21:30.44 | project2501a | it was just a scary devil monastery comment. |
| 21:31.00 | xuxin | project2501a: i'm on an asus eee atm, does that qualify as a dinky laptop? |
| 21:31.09 | project2501a | it's a great laptop |
| 21:31.11 | vallhalla | hears the distant sound of muhahaha |
| 21:31.13 | xuxin | vallhalla: that's okay, it didn't seem like an attack |
| 21:31.18 | project2501a | get 10 of them, start building a beowulf cluster |
| 21:31.22 | ciscoemsi | I would like to automate the installation of mysql for example in the script I get the username and password |
| 21:31.23 | ciscoemsi | ? |
| 21:31.33 | themill | ciscoemsi: you can stick them into debconf with debconf-set-selections prior to installation |
| 21:31.39 | project2501a | you'll learn about automating the installation, netbooting, netbooting a network install |
| 21:31.44 | project2501a | nfs/cifs mounts |
| 21:31.47 | project2501a | openmpi |
| 21:31.49 | project2501a | lambooting |
| 21:31.52 | project2501a | good stuff |
| 21:32.23 | smhar | I have a strange problem, I am using approx in my home network server, but recently, apt does not find any updates to the system!! I am using lenny in the server an squeeze elsewhere |
| 21:32.41 | rares | so did you guys get any traction on that rcS problem? |
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| 21:34.36 | smhar | this is the output of apt: http://paste.debian.net/78201/ |
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| 21:35.41 | ciscoemsi | themhil:you have already test this solution |
| 21:35.46 | ciscoemsi | ? |
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| 21:39.20 | roe | any thoughts on why gvfsd is using ~700MB of ram? |
| 21:41.12 | grand_grunt | is it necessary to suffer if I want to install Debian on a server through network? |
| 21:41.43 | grand_grunt | I mean, is there a "use that and power off your brain" way, as there are CD-ROM when you have a CD-ROM drive? |
| 21:42.44 | grand_grunt | I'm trying to install Debian sparc on a Sun Fire V240 without CD driver, and tftp + nfs + openboot configuration seems to need many handwork (creating initrds, config files, root archive to export, etc..) |
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| 21:47.26 | Animeking | how do I turn off x11? D: |
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| 21:49.08 | grand_grunt | Animeking: I'm used to do /etc/init.d/[gk]dm stop for that |
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| 21:49.34 | grand_grunt | Assuming you use gdm or kdm to lauch X11 and manage user connections |
| 21:49.46 | Animeking | Mmm |
| 21:50.45 | Animeking | Yeah now I need decent docs, how do I make my machine keep certain daemons turned off when booting up? |
| 21:51.15 | rares | is there a console version of network-manager? |
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| 21:51.21 | grand_grunt | This depends on your default init level (/etc/inittab), and /etc/rcX.d/ content |
| 21:51.35 | rares | i can't wifi w/o gnome |
| 21:51.36 | Animeking | @_@ |
| 21:52.01 | Animeking | there are 6 rc's D: |
| 21:52.06 | rares | what are init 3 to 5 on debian? |
| 21:52.07 | Animeking | 7* |
| 21:52.09 | grand_grunt | rares: iwlist and iwconfig are your friends |
| 21:52.23 | abrotman | rares: same as 2 |
| 21:52.24 | grand_grunt | Animeking: the default one is set in /etc/inittab |
| 21:52.35 | Animeking | init? |
| 21:52.37 | Animeking | or rc? |
| 21:52.56 | rares | init is the level rc is the scripts |
| 21:53.10 | grand_grunt | /etc/inittab sets your default init level. /etc/rcX.d/ scripts are launched at X init level. |
| 21:53.56 | rares | anyways should / be remounted rw by the time rcS starts? |
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| 22:03.27 | smhar | !signatures |
| 22:03.28 | dpkg | somebody said signatures was echo 'APT::Get::AllowUnauthenticated "yes";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf |
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| 22:06.27 | abrotman | smhar: do you need help? |
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| 22:07.33 | punkmexic | i need help fixing brightness on a laptop who can help me |
| 22:07.42 | smhar | abrotman, thanks for asking, I am getting 'ADSIG 9AA38DCD55BE302B Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key' and apt does not see any updates for 3 days now |
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| 22:08.13 | smhar | abrotman, I am using approx in my home network server running lenny, while other computers are running squeeze |
| 22:08.16 | abrotman | smhar: try another mirror |
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| 22:13.43 | jez | Does anyone know whether there's a reputable repo where you can download a prebuilt Debian version of the Guifications plugin for Pidgin? |
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| 22:14.31 | abrotman | judd: versions pidgin-guifications |
| 22:14.32 | judd | pidgin-guifications -- lenny: 2.14-3; sid: 2.16-1; squeeze: 2.16-1 |
| 22:14.45 | abrotman | what's wrong with the one already in debian ? |
| 22:15.30 | Trekki | Hello guys. Can you tell me please whether thereâs a way to remove suggested packages? After a few days of apt-ing, I found out that aptitude also isntalled all recommends, but I donât want those. |
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| 22:15.36 | jez | oh i see it's in the repo i just hadn't installed it. |
| 22:15.53 | Trekki | so now I'm looking for a way to find all packages that were automatically installed as suggested |
| 22:16.19 | abrotman | as recommends you mean? |
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| 22:21.34 | peterrooney | Trekki: i seem to recall that apt-get autoremove works for this. |
| 22:21.37 | monkey_d_luffy | I'm using the testing branch and some weeks ago I've upgraded KDE. The phonon/pulseaudio/gstreamer chain never worked... how can I track the problem down? |
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| 22:22.25 | Trekki | peterrooney: I can only find an option not to install recommended pkgs |
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| 22:23.01 | monkey_d_luffy | On the System Settings / Multimedia when I click Test, no sound is played. The only device preference shown is PulseAudio Sound Server. |
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| 22:24.16 | monkey_d_luffy | I don't think it's a backend issue since I've tried both with using gstreamer and xine as backends. |
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| 22:24.23 | monkey_d_luffy | probably pulse is broken |
| 22:24.52 | chops1 | I have a sed script with '#!/bin/sed -i -f" as the first line... when I run it as "sed -i -f myScript.sed", it works, but when I run it as "./myScript.sed" it says "/bin/sed: -e expression #1, char 1: unknown command: `.'". What have I done wrong? |
| 22:24.54 | althaser | hi, how can generate .xsession-errors ? |
| 22:24.58 | chops1 | monkey_d_luffy: Have you checked the BTS? |
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| 22:28.20 | monkey_d_luffy | chops1: BTS? What is that? |
| 22:28.56 | chops1 | !bts |
| 22:28.56 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges |
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| 22:34.56 | rares | Ok it's official |
| 22:35.09 | zrin | hi ... any idea why // echo -e "1\n2\n3" | while read n; do ssh localhost "echo ok $n"; done // does only the first loop iteration, i.e. outputs only "ok 1" ?!? |
| 22:35.12 | rares | there's a problem with linux |
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| 22:35.31 | zrin | if I put "echo" in front of "ssh" 3 lines are writte to output |
| 22:35.39 | rares | a ton of executables and scripts are being opened O_RDWR |
| 22:35.54 | rares | so only root can run the programs |
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| 22:36.03 | themill | dpkg: tell rares about enter |
| 22:36.38 | rares | the mill i have issues with text i can't read across too far |
| 22:37.42 | zrin | it's openssh 5.3 and bash 4.1.5 ... what could be the reason? |
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| 22:40.35 | zrin | :/ |
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| 22:42.46 | zrin | would it be a bash or ssh problem? |
| 22:42.59 | Pryon | almost certainly not related to ssh |
| 22:43.22 | themill | zrin: change the "ssh" to just "echo" |
| 22:43.22 | petemc | its not a problem, its a misunderstanding on your part |
| 22:43.28 | zrin | Pryon: how can ssh make loop / bash to exit? |
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| 22:44.00 | rares | why are executables being opened with O_RDWR?! |
| 22:44.03 | zrin | themill: I did (read above) |
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| 22:44.30 | Supertata | How can I unzip a .deb file? :-( |
| 22:44.48 | petemc | zrin: http://www.pixelbeat.org/docs/unix_file_replacement.html isnt directly related but you might find interesting |
| 22:44.52 | zrin | themill: if the command is echo there are 3 loop iterations, if it is ssh only one !? |
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| 22:45.16 | Pryon | Supertata: dpkg-deb -x? The man page for dpkg will tell you |
| 22:45.37 | aguitel | Supertata, archive manager |
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| 22:46.23 | rking | rares: where are you seeing this? |
| 22:46.31 | Supertata | aguitel: thanks! |
| 22:46.35 | themill | zrin: ahh missed that. |
| 22:46.38 | Supertata | there is no dpkg here, I'm running fedora |
| 22:46.55 | poisonbit | zrin, see if this is useful to you: http://paste.debian.net/78205/plain/78205 (bash 3) |
| 22:47.11 | zrin | petemc: are you sure it is misunderstanding? where? |
| 22:47.47 | zrin | poisonbit: can you please try with while? |
| 22:48.20 | rares | rking from strace: |
| 22:48.25 | rares | open("/usr/bin/iceweasel", O_RDWR) = -1 EACCES (Permission denied) |
| 22:48.48 | poisonbit | zrin, ok1 and ok2.... I don't know where is ok 3 |
| 22:48.56 | rares | did get hax0red? |
| 22:49.11 | zrin | poisonbit: heh? |
| 22:49.23 | zrin | poisonbit: I get only ok 1 |
| 22:49.27 | Pryon | zrin: try giving ssh the -f option |
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| 22:49.43 | Pryon | and read the ssh man page about -f |
| 22:50.03 | petemc | zrin: without thinking about it, i assumed its to do with sunshells which most people dont fully understand, myself included |
| 22:50.10 | poisonbit | zrin, maybe i pressed some shortcut first time, it works in bash3 |
| 22:50.16 | petemc | erm, subshells |
| 22:50.23 | petemc | not sunshells |
| 22:50.42 | rking | rares: what's trying to do that? |
| 22:50.52 | rares | when I run it |
| 22:51.07 | rking | Hrm. So you're doing: strace iceweasel |
| 22:51.13 | rares | yeah |
| 22:51.28 | rares | it runs from root obviously |
| 22:51.33 | zrin | poisonbit: you're getting all iterations with while - what command did you try exactly? |
| 22:51.33 | rares | but user can't |
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| 22:51.49 | poisonbit | echo -e "1\n2\n3" | while read n; do ssh inigo@localhost "echo ok $n"; done |
| 22:52.15 | poisonbit | does echo -e "1\n2\n3" | while read n; do echo "ok $n"; done work for you? |
| 22:53.24 | zrin | poisonbit: It ends after one iteration on the system I'm testing on |
| 22:53.33 | poisonbit | for i in $( echo -e "1\n2\n3" ); do echo "ok $i"; done ?? |
| 22:54.10 | zrin | poisonbit: yes, with echo (not ssh) there are all 3 iterations, 3 lines of output |
| 22:54.11 | themill | zrin: the ssh session is gobbling your stdin. Give it something else to play with instead: ssh .... </dev/null |
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| 22:55.07 | poisonbit | doesn't know about bash4 |
| 22:56.02 | poisonbit | In a debian stable world it's not to much used yet |
| 22:56.18 | zrin | poisonbit, themill: for ...; do ssh ...; done doesn't exhibit the problem |
| 22:56.48 | themill | zrin: yes, that's because you're not feeding n via stdin, so the ssh session can't gobble it |
| 22:56.54 | chops1 | I really do not understand this... running "sed -i -f myScript.sed foo" works. Putting "#!/bin/sed -i -f" as the first line of myScript.sed and running "./myScript.sed foo" doesn't work ("/bin/sed: -e expression #1, char 1: unknown command: `.'"). Putting "#!/bin/echo -i -f" as the first line of myScript.sed outputs "-i -f myScript.sed foo" when I run it the same way. What in the world am I doing wrong? |
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| 22:57.27 | zrin | themill: I see, thank you |
| 22:57.44 | rares | rking any idea what i can do fix it? |
| 22:57.57 | zrin | themill: ssh -n prevents that |
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| 22:58.18 | chops1 | rares: What process are you stracing? |
| 22:58.20 | themill | zrin: yes, that'll work just fine too |
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| 22:58.27 | rares | iceweasel |
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| 22:59.41 | chops1 | Any unusual plugins installed? Anything different happen recently? If that failure does cause a problem, then something is very broken, yes (more likely with your system specifically than with Debian as a whole). |
| 22:59.52 | rking | themill: rares is just running: strace iceweasel |
| 23:00.25 | zrin | themill: I need to feed input to ssh, is there a way to prevent it from messing up stdin? |
| 23:00.48 | petemc | - |
| 23:01.06 | rking | I don't recall ever seeing things like that... I just get execve() followed by a bunch of memory calls. |
| 23:01.08 | zrin | themill: I have ssh "$relay" bin/update_recipients "$dom" <<<"$users" |
| 23:01.12 | Arafangion | petemc: You might want to clarify that. :) |
| 23:01.18 | themill | zrin: you could fiddle with file descriptors for this. Or just find a better way. |
| 23:01.29 | poisonbit | chops1, what is in line 2 of your #!/usr/bin/sed script ? |
| 23:01.37 | zrin | themill: with ssh -n it ignores input |
| 23:01.41 | rking | Arafangion: haha |
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| 23:01.45 | pilgo | This may be OT, but it relates to apache. How do I get my website to "redirect" when people type example.com to www.example.com? |
| 23:01.48 | chops1 | poisonbit: s/ -I\(..\/\)*..\/..\/..\/..\/..\/usr\/local\/Trolltech\/Qt-4.5.0\/lib/ -I$\(QT\ |
| 23:01.49 | chops1 | DIR\)\/lib/g |
| 23:02.01 | chops1 | poisonbit: I can pastebin the whole situation if you think that'll make things clearer :-) |
| 23:02.06 | themill | leaning toothpicks! |
| 23:02.14 | rking | pilgo: did you search for that? I assume that's in 90% of servers out there. |
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| 23:02.24 | petemc | Arafangion: i perfer to keep my advice hand wavey |
| 23:02.29 | rking | Does sed allow s,,, ? |
| 23:02.37 | chops1 | pilgo: #apache #google #somewhereelse :-) |
| 23:02.40 | Arafangion | petemc: Suit yourself. :) |
| 23:02.41 | rking | (Delimiters other than / in substitutions) |
| 23:02.54 | chops1 | rking: It works fine when I run sed on the command line |
| 23:03.01 | pilgo | rking: I did and came up with some mod_rewrite solution. How does that work with virtual hosts? |
| 23:03.22 | Arafangion | pilgo: Myself... I use dns for that, but you can configure whatever server to send a "redirected permanently" error. |
| 23:03.27 | rares | chops1 it's opening iceweasel Read Write which users can't do |
| 23:04.07 | rares | ok what is the usual way executables work in linux |
| 23:04.12 | chops1 | rares: Yes, I understand the problem, which is why I asked you the questions I asked. |
| 23:04.17 | rking | rares: I'll pastebin.. |
| 23:04.25 | zrin | themill: same problem with echo "$users" | ssh "$relay" bin/update_recipients "$dom" aargh :( |
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| 23:05.59 | rking | rares: perhaps compare your output of "strace -f echo foo" to mine: http://pastebin.ca/1887381 |
| 23:06.00 | zrin | could it be that piping data to ssh within subshell / while loop is not possible? |
| 23:06.19 | rking | pilgo: let's get that pastebin... I'll help |
| 23:06.40 | poisonbit | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:06.45 | poisonbit | ? |
| 23:07.04 | rking | piping to ssh is a little weird... for example, if you want to automate the password input (i know---.ssh/authorized_keys---I'm just using the example) you have to use Expect |
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| 23:07.37 | petemc | eh? |
| 23:07.48 | zrin | poisonbit: this would remove line ends from "$users" |
| 23:07.50 | rking | zrin: Have you tried expect? It's not that hard. Expect.pm for Perl, also. |
| 23:08.07 | rking | petemc: you just said ".". |
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| 23:08.13 | poisonbit | or other perl modules: http://poisonbit.wordpress.com/2009/12/11/just-another-example-of-remote-perl-code-over-ssh/ |
| 23:08.18 | zrin | poisonbit: ...no, worse than that :) |
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| 23:11.36 | petemc | rking: trying and failing to pipe a password to ssh is not not possible because of ssh |
| 23:12.00 | p3rror | please i need some help |
| 23:12.05 | p3rror | i have no sound |
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| 23:12.24 | zrin | rking: I'm piping data to ssh, i.e. to the command on the other side |
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| 23:13.15 | zrin | p3rror: turn the volume up? |
| 23:13.21 | p3rror | :) |
| 23:13.26 | p3rror | so simple |
| 23:13.31 | Bushmills | p3rror: mp3 players and compact boxes aren't that expensive anymore nowadays. sometimes you can find old stereo towers in he dump. |
| 23:13.48 | zrin | ;) |
| 23:14.01 | poisonbit | to pipe data could be better http 1.1 chuncks (streaming) |
| 23:14.11 | rking | petemc: it can be done with Expect. I think ssh does some special contortions to avoid stdin---I think it opens /dev/tty or something. |
| 23:14.42 | petemc | pretty much anything can be done with expect |
| 23:14.42 | p3rror | so what do you think what i have to check first after volume |
| 23:14.45 | rking | zrin: What's your current best candidate command line? |
| 23:15.06 | zrin | rking: echo "$users" | ssh "$relay" bin/update_recipients "$dom" |
| 23:15.07 | rking | p3rror: Well, we need some more clues... like did sound previously ever work? |
| 23:15.19 | pilgo | rking: I have this in my .htaccess in DocumentRoot: http://pastebin.com/m43EkWFQ |
| 23:15.21 | rking | zrin: Ok, and what's happening? |
| 23:15.41 | p3rror | rking, yes it was |
| 23:15.50 | zrin | rking. ssh messing up stdin, breaking out of parent shells while loop |
| 23:15.52 | rares | rking mine is nearly identical |
| 23:16.04 | rking | p3rror: Are you using alsa? I'd peek at alsamixer's levels |
| 23:16.18 | p3rror | rking, done it's up |
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| 23:16.20 | rking | zrin: Just go with expect. =) |
| 23:16.22 | pilgo | rking: but I get Internal Server Error when I try to access the site. |
| 23:17.06 | rking | pilgo: What do the apache logs say? |
| 23:17.45 | rares | http://pastebin.ca/1887386 |
| 23:17.52 | rking | p3rror: is every level unmuted and at a reasonable height? |
| 23:18.04 | pilgo | rking: Invalid command 'RewriteEngine' |
| 23:18.20 | rares | you have no mod_rewrite loaded |
| 23:18.27 | p3rror | rking, yep all are checked |
| 23:19.27 | rking | p3rror: Are you using something dead simple, such as aplay foo.wav, to test it? |
| 23:19.38 | rking | (As opposed to something wacky like Youtube) |
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| 23:20.43 | pilgo | Awesome. It works now. Thanks rking, rares. |
| 23:21.00 | p3rror | rking, =) |
| 23:21.05 | rking | pilgo: Yeah, like p3rror says, LoadModule rewrite_module modules/mod_rewrite.so |
| 23:21.14 | rking | I'm late. |
| 23:21.24 | rking | p3rror: I assume that's a "yes"? |
| 23:21.25 | rares | so now what can I do |
| 23:21.30 | p3rror | rking, nothing happened |
| 23:21.42 | rking | p3rror: No error? |
| 23:21.43 | rares | I have a whole bunch of files with this is |
| 23:21.49 | p3rror | rking, all i got is a message |
| 23:21.58 | p3rror | éPlaying WAVE '/usr/share/sounds/alsa/Rear_Center.wav' : Signed 16 bit Little Endian, Rate 48000 Hz, Monoé |
| 23:22.17 | rking | p3rror: Yeah, that's "good". =( |
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| 23:22.33 | petemc | in unix terms, zero response is a sign of success |
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| 23:26.14 | p3rror | rking, so what =) |
| 23:26.27 | p3rror | rking, have to live mutted |
| 23:26.34 | zrin | I've found one solution: while ...; do (echo "$users" | ssh "$relay" bin/update_recipients "$dom") </dev/null; done |
| 23:26.36 | rking | p3rror: Hehe... no |
| 23:27.23 | p3rror | rking, so please help |
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| 23:27.38 | p3rror | rking, maybe i have to reboot something that i hate to do |
| 23:28.17 | rking | p3rror: I'm working on rares's thing... I'll get to it in a minute. |
| 23:28.46 | rking | p3rror: Do you have the module loaded that you expect? (that is, find your card in lspci and compare it to lsmod) |
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| 23:29.54 | qq- | !tell p3rror about alsa-checklist |
| 23:30.06 | rking | rares: How about a pastebin of your strace iceweasel |
| 23:30.11 | rking | qq-: Oh, that's nice. Thank you. |
| 23:30.18 | qq- | np |
| 23:31.21 | rking | qq-: Some of those can be eliminated, such as the "list alsa users", based on his aplay output |
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| 23:31.56 | qq- | p3rror, may eliminate that .. |
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| 23:32.02 | qq- | ^^ |
| 23:32.28 | p3rror | i'm so confused |
| 23:32.45 | qq- | !confuse p3rror |
| 23:32.45 | dpkg | Yes, what was your gerbil tomorrow, p3rror? Shirts of the Republic of Tibet with extra anchovies. |
| 23:33.16 | bush | whats wrong with you guys, that makes perfect sense |
| 23:33.35 | p3rror | http://pastebin.com/L4gKGjqz |
| 23:33.41 | qq- | p3rror, you'r on lenny machine ? |
| 23:33.51 | efaistos | hi |
| 23:33.54 | p3rror | p3rror, i lost my lenny |
| 23:34.00 | p3rror | it was backdoored |
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| 23:34.13 | p3rror | so i've did a backup |
| 23:34.16 | efaistos | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBookPro7-1/Lucid gives an idea how to install ubuntu on the latest macbook pro 13" |
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| 23:34.33 | efaistos | on the debian wiki, I couldnt fin anything like this |
| 23:34.42 | efaistos | any idea how to help about this ? |
| 23:34.51 | p3rror | and i'm trying lynx |
| 23:34.52 | abrotman | !laptop |
| 23:34.52 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about Linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/mylaptops.html . For Thinkpads, ask me about <thinkpad>. Also ask me about <acpi>, <laptop mode>, <netbook>, <pcmcia>, <suspend>. http://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn . See also the debian-laptop mailing list: http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ |
| 23:35.29 | p3rror | but still a big fun of debian politics |
| 23:35.43 | p3rror | i'll be back very soon even i finish some quick work |
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| 23:36.20 | p3rror | or maybe i'll by a new box, my old box does not support KDE anymore |
| 23:36.34 | p3rror | s/by/buy/ |
| 23:37.17 | rking | p3rror: D'oh! I was working on it. =P |
| 23:37.49 | abrotman | your box doesn't support kde ? |
| 23:37.52 | qq- | efaistos, http://wiki.debian.org/MacBook |
| 23:37.54 | rking | p3rror: If you can pastebin the output of lsmod that would be good |
| 23:38.26 | bop | anyone of u uses jdownloader on squeeze ? |
| 23:38.49 | abrotman | !u |
| 23:38.49 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 23:39.08 | bop | well, its internet slang , so deal with it xD |
| 23:39.12 | p3rror | http://pastebin.com/qdtstnc1 |
| 23:39.27 | rking | bop: It's dorks on the internet slang, yes. |
| 23:40.09 | bop | rking, its a diminutive , so what , everyone uses it |
| 23:40.19 | monkey_d_luffy | My pulseaudio is broken... Can anybody help me with this? I don't even know where to start looking for the cause of the problem |
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| 23:41.03 | rking | bop: typing the "yo_" when asking a help channel a question is equivalent to pasting your cowlick down before going into an interview. |
| 23:41.43 | rking | monkey_d_luffy: does aplay foo.wav work? |
| 23:41.50 | monkey_d_luffy | this is my output for pulseaudio -v -v -v : http://pastebin.com/5tgWLEvd |
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| 23:42.35 | monkey_d_luffy | rking: I do have sound. If I use alsa as a backend in smplayer I get sound. But if I switch to pulse is goes silent. |
| 23:42.44 | bop | rking, i dont know what cowlick is , sorry |
| 23:42.56 | bop | well , off topic anyway |
| 23:42.58 | bop | anyone of u uses jdownloader on squeeze ? |
| 23:43.38 | abrotman | !u |
| 23:43.38 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 23:43.49 | HermanDE_ | bop, wez lix to spx clrly. hr |
| 23:44.00 | qq- | , versions jdownloader |
| 23:44.00 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'jdownloader' was found. |
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| 23:45.10 | bop | it does not work on squeeze |
| 23:45.18 | abrotman | bop: it's not in Debian, ask them why it doesn't work |
| 23:45.23 | bop | HermanDE_, enough l33t talking showoff ! |
| 23:45.39 | bop | ok |
| 23:45.51 | bop | just asking, could be a known problem |
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| 23:46.12 | abrotman | to them maybe |
| 23:46.14 | rking | monkey_d_luffy: OK, that's a good clue. |
| 23:46.31 | HermanDE_ | bop, That package is not in the Deb repository.... It looks like a java application. Could have java requirements... |
| 23:46.48 | peterrooney | bop: 'u' is an important indicator of how seriously you are taking your problem, and how seriously you take the people who might assist you. also, jdownloader could be in a differently named package. |
| 23:46.53 | bop | i have java, the apps lauches the UI , at least , it used to work on lenny |
| 23:47.33 | bop | peterrooney, u is a fast way of typing you , cause its read the same way |
| 23:47.35 | rking | monkey_d_luffy: I've always just used jackd... I'm installing pulseaudio now to see if I can figure out where you can start looking. |
| 23:47.39 | bop | dont complicate things |
| 23:47.55 | HermanDE_ | bop, Which version of java does jdownloader require? Are there any java dependancies that are not being met? |
| 23:48.09 | monkey_d_luffy | rking: ok, thanks |
| 23:48.16 | bop | HermanDE_, >= 1.5 |
| 23:48.22 | HermanDE_ | bop, what is the error? Do you have an error log? |
| 23:48.24 | rking | bop: Personally, it's like a -1 out of 100 when I meet a stranger. Now, spending several paragraphs to /defend/ its use? That's like -10. So, for me, you're sitting at 89/100. =) |
| 23:49.23 | bop | rking, nice to know , i never get 89 at tests , so thats great news ! anyway, i dont want to flirt with you xD |
| 23:49.26 | HermanDE_ | bop, Does it require JRE or JDK? Does it require the Sun(Oracle) specific JAVA or can it use a different VM? |
| 23:49.33 | bop | HermanDE_, JRE |
| 23:49.50 | HermanDE_ | bop, which Java do you have installed? |
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| 23:50.01 | monkey_d_luffy | rking: you're a gnome user I assume :) This all started with the KDE upgrade which uses phonon->pulse->gstreamer/xine And I need to get phonon working if I want to use amarok again (well the mutant 2.x version anyway) |
| 23:50.03 | rking | monkey_d_luffy: What happens with: (turn your volume down); pacat < /dev/urandom |
| 23:50.12 | HermanDE_ | bop, Try java -version |
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| 23:50.18 | bop | 1.6.0_20 |
| 23:50.22 | bop | squeeze version |
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| 23:50.55 | p3rrpr | rking, |
| 23:51.06 | HermanDE_ | bop, Do you have the java paths setup correctly? Did you install the java from the Debian Repository or download it from Sun? |
| 23:51.30 | HermanDE_ | bop, Did you try try the "java -version" ? |
| 23:51.33 | bop | HermanDE_, debian rep |
| 23:51.34 | p3rrpr | HenriqueBR, try non-free repos |
| 23:51.44 | bop | HermanDE_, yes already told u my version |
| 23:52.07 | HermanDE_ | bop, Try "javac -version"... Should be the same.... |
| 23:52.19 | monkey_d_luffy | rking: nothing... everything is silent by executing that |
| 23:52.21 | bop | if its the same, why bother |
| 23:52.53 | rking | monkey_d_luffy: OK, but no error? |
| 23:52.55 | HermanDE_ | bop, Paths are very important. If you have SunJava and a different java installed things might be confused..... |
| 23:53.25 | bop | well ,that's squeeze problem then ? |
| 23:53.27 | HermanDE_ | bop, If your java points to one place and javac points to another... It's broken... |
| 23:53.48 | bop | javac works also |
| 23:53.48 | HermanDE_ | bop, If you install two javavm's .... It's your problem... Choose one.... |
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| 23:54.30 | monkey_d_luffy | rking: yes, nothing really. Is there a log file that I can check? syslog and messages had nothing about it. |
| 23:55.03 | rking | monkey_d_luffy: I'm at that exact point, myself. |
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| 23:58.06 | HermanDE_ | bop, Does jdownloader start? What exactly does it do/not do? |
| 23:59.28 | monkey_d_luffy | rking: I got a bit burther now. If I run pavucontrol and then start smplayer using the pulse backend I can see the volume analyzer move. So the problem may be between pulse and alsa. What do you think? |
| 23:59.42 | bop | HermanDE_, it starts normally , the UI |
| 23:59.55 | bop | then it just wont download any links , with a "disconnect" error |
| 23:59.57 | rking | monkey_d_luffy: Mplayer's volume analyzer? |
