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| 00:02.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | you're developing kernels? |
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| 00:03.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | nice! |
| 00:03.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | !next |
| 00:03.21 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
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| 00:03.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | I _was_ going to say something moderately useful next! |
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| 00:05.36 | tharkun | whenever i run vncserver -broadcast -geometry 1020x740 -depth 16 -once -query 192.168.100.9 i get this massive flood of dbus-launch and dbus-daemon forks. All this independent of the wm i use. Any ideas? |
| 00:05.54 | inspiron | does anyone know how to use the substvars file? |
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| 00:08.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | tharkun, use a different vncserver? actually, if you're not using something kdeish... just kill off dbus-daemon? (it _is_ majorly kde running dbus stuff, ain't it?) |
| 00:09.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | should I know what a substvars file is?! Do you mean "man 5 deb-substvars"? |
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| 00:10.18 | tharkun | CutMeOwnThroat: i allready changed vnc servers and things are just about the same. The rate at which dbus-daemon are created is a little slower now. I have a few qt dependencies for some programs therefore i cannot entirely get rid of it :-( |
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| 00:11.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | which vnc servers did you try? |
| 00:11.14 | tharkun | CutMeOwnThroat: guess after invoking the vncserver a kill `pidof dbus-launch`; kill `pidof dbus-daemon` is needed. Although someone is fu |
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| 00:11.57 | tharkun | CutMeOwnThroat: tightvnc and vnc4server both do the same stuff |
| 00:12.21 | tharkun | Do you have an alternative? |
| 00:12.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, dunno... dbus and I have a deal... I ignore dbus and dbus ignores me... it worked so far |
| 00:13.09 | tharkun | CutMeOwnThroat: Well when dbus musters all of its force in big numbers, i just can't ignore the prick :-) |
| 00:13.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | do you actually use dbus to speak with those applications? |
| 00:14.01 | tharkun | no, but it is marked as a dependency |
| 00:14.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | I guess you can still just kill it and they'll run fine, only theinterprocess-communication will stop |
| 00:14.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | but you said you do kill it off... |
| 00:14.32 | tharkun | Yes :-) |
| 00:14.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm |
| 00:15.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | you could run the daemon in interactive mode... it doesn't fork then and you probably can watch better what it does |
| 00:15.07 | tharkun | Since vnc is runned as non privilidge user, i have no problem nuking all dbus process of the particular user |
| 00:15.21 | tharkun | CutMeOwnThroat: how do you do that? |
| 00:15.50 | nsadmin | pends on the daemon... check the man page |
| 00:16.10 | tharkun | NO manual entry for dbus |
| 00:16.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | there is! |
| 00:16.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | man dbus-daemon |
| 00:16.29 | tharkun | found it :-) |
| 00:16.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | I guess you remove the /etc/dbus-1/system.conf: <fork/> |
| 00:16.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | and that's it? |
| 00:16.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | judging from manpage |
| 00:17.30 | tharkun | But why and who makes it fork so many times? |
| 00:17.58 | nsadmin | it could fork to make daemons ready to serve |
| 00:18.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | I don't know much about how it behaves... mostly it just irritates me... I've used it to control amarok, though |
| 00:18.23 | tharkun | nsadmin: Sounds about right |
| 00:18.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | should be one dbus-daemon per application that dbus talks to? |
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| 00:19.27 | nsadmin | waht apps do dbus talk to? |
| 00:20.24 | streuner | almost all? |
| 00:20.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | I thought mostly kde-stuff |
| 00:20.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's talking to amarok |
| 00:20.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | nothing else I know of on my system |
| 00:21.01 | streuner | GNOME too... |
| 00:21.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | my gnome is in the garden, not on my computer, thank you |
| 00:21.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | ;) |
| 00:21.33 | streuner | lol |
| 00:21.41 | elrond__ | Hello. I'm having much trouble getting Debian back on my system. I'm attempting to use the "fakeraid" on the mobo (Intel Matrix Storage) to do RAID0. I do it this way so both Debian and Windows can have it. But, the Deb installer doesn't see to acknowledge dmraid devices. The Ubuntu version of d-i does, however. |
| 00:21.47 | tharkun | lxde is not behaving quite as i would expect, it might be some bug in it |
| 00:21.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | tharkun, also, man dbus-monitor |
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| 00:22.35 | elrond__ | Unfortunately, it isn't naming things right. fdisk gives out names to the partitions like foo0p1 foo0p2, etc. But the installer expects just foo01 foo02, etc. Any idea how I can reconcile this? |
| 00:22.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | elrond__, ubuntu probably has a newer kernel than your debian, then? |
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| 00:23.42 | tharkun | elrond__: sounds like raid trouble, try checking for the right module |
| 00:24.14 | elrond__ | CutMeOwnThroat, I suppose, though I did try the testing version of Debian's d-i. |
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| 00:24.28 | AToM-BoMB | X0uL-|-BoT AToM-BoMB Reporting For Duty |
| 00:24.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, kernels |
| 00:24.33 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.34-1-686 (2.6.34-1~experimental.2); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-15); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-15); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-15~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-22lenny1); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
| 00:24.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | what versions are we talking about anyway? |
| 00:25.01 | elrond__ | tharkun, the right module for what? It doesn't seem that I need any modules for dmraid to see the RAID volume. |
| 00:25.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | even in bpo, there's up to 2.6.32 |
| 00:25.34 | AToM-BoMB | IS there a way I can install debian on my pc without having a cd or usb flash drive |
| 00:25.37 | tharkun | elrond__: disregard my coment, i though you had harware RAID |
| 00:25.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | err, d-i recognizes what? d-i doesn't recognize anything? |
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| 00:26.12 | nsadmin | AToM-BoMB what -do- you have? |
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| 00:26.51 | AToM-BoMB | nsadmin: right now im using windows xp on this box, but i would like to do a clean install of debian 5.0.4 |
| 00:26.52 | elrond__ | CutMeOwnThroat, d-i (the Ubuntu version) is able to notice that there are "fakeraid" volumes available, and will run dmraid to activate them so they can be seen in the partitioner. |
| 00:27.24 | AToM-BoMB | Is there a windows based installer? |
| 00:27.30 | nsadmin | AToM-BoMB what -do- you have, in the way of something to use for installing? |
| 00:27.39 | AToM-BoMB | a hard drive |
| 00:27.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, that was short for debian-installer... I got confused there for a moment |
| 00:28.07 | elrond__ | Oh, sorry about that. |
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| 00:28.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | elrond__, what kernel version did the debian squeeze installer use? |
| 00:28.11 | nsadmin | with unpartitioned space? |
| 00:28.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | elrond__, did you try the kmuto images (supposing that's got a newer kernel) |
| 00:28.40 | elrond__ | I *think* it was 2.6.32... but I'm not positive. |
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| 00:29.03 | AToM-BoMB | i can get rid of everything on it |
| 00:29.15 | elrond__ | kmuto? I've not heard of that before. It's worth trying, I suppose. |
| 00:29.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell AToM-BoMB -about goodbye microsoft |
| 00:29.42 | tharkun | elrond__: /msg dpkg kmuto |
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| 00:29.52 | streuner | !tell elrond_ about kmuto |
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| 00:30.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | elrond__, and the ubuntu one was newer than that? Mostly all hardware detection is done by the kernel... in this case, _maybe_ the installer itself is involved... hard to say |
| 00:30.48 | AToM-BoMB | Thanks guys |
| 00:31.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | elrond__, in the way of progress, if you solve it or not, you could write a ... /msg dpkg installation report |
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| 00:33.09 | elrond__ | CutMeOwnThroat, I'll give the kmuto a try, but I don't think it's any newer than the 10.04 Ubuntu installer. And, really, it's not a problem of hardware detection. I can *see* all the devices I need to. They just have slightly improper names which don't agree with the installer and so I cannot proceed. |
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| 00:34.41 | elrond__ | For example, right now I can see /dev/mapper/isw_ebjbfhafhg_RAID_Vol0p1, but the installer wants that to end in ...Vol01 instead. I don't know how to either get the names right or get the installer to use the ones that I already have. |
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| 00:36.34 | inspiron | anyone have experience with packaging .debs? |
| 00:36.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | elrond__, I don't necessarily think it's newer than the squeeze one either... you know you can do a normal install, though, then convert to raid, albeit with some extra effort...well, extra effort compared to a smooth install, not to one that you keep trying to do over and over again (and yes - try #debian-boot as streuner suggested) |
| 00:38.18 | abrotman | inspiron: ask a better question |
| 00:38.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think the debian maintainers do... |
| 00:38.31 | streuner | elrond__: or/and ML (mailing-list) of them |
| 00:38.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... or so we keep hoping :) |
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| 00:40.03 | inspiron | abrotman: :D OK sorry I know the rules - I need to use some global variables which are shared b/w the rules changelog control files. I can use an include statement which works for rules. However the other 2 files are inspected for their format. So I'm forced to use the substvars file but don't know how. |
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| 00:40.25 | Jbirdla | any helpers in? |
| 00:40.25 | elrond__ | Well, I'd like to get my system back up sooner than later. I think I'll probably just go back to using Linux software RAID. I've used it several times without any headaches. This was mostly an experiment to see if I could actually use the mobo's fakeraid. Seems it's a bit more complicated than I thought. |
| 00:40.45 | abrotman | inspiron: i didn't say i would know .. i just meant to not ask metaquestions .. there's also #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net |
| 00:40.57 | Jbirdla | 3ware hardware raid, the controller card shook out in the CA earthquake. its all back, raid rebuilt. Stuck booting into busybox |
| 00:41.22 | Jbirdla | I know nothing of hardware raid, medium linux/debian. |
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| 00:41.53 | inspiron | abrotman: debian-mentors is dead. Not to mention that the only guys who are active don't know what they are talking about. I had one guy trying to make me compile a makefile as a .c etc and make a complete mess of everything |
| 00:42.27 | abrotman | odd, many people get help there |
| 00:42.48 | themill | inspiron: "man 5 deb-substvars" may be edifying |
| 00:43.06 | abrotman | Jbirdla: what is the error before busybox ? |
| 00:43.28 | inspiron | themill read it many times - not very helpful, Read dpkg-gencontrol and dpkg-genchanges as well and dpkg-buildpackage |
| 00:44.13 | themill | inspiron: if you're trying to include variables in the changelog, then you're doing it all wrong⢠|
| 00:45.09 | inspiron | themill why? What's the difference b/w a variable and a string when the variable is going to be replaced by a string |
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| 00:45.13 | Jbirdla | abrotman: grabbing that now 2 minutes. |
| 00:45.49 | themill | inspiron: the changelog is not supposed to be autogenerated. There's no sense in that. What are you really trying to do? |
| 00:46.15 | Jbirdla | abrotman: I believe its having issues with the LVM's that were on the raid. |
| 00:46.57 | abrotman | still boggles about the card shaking loose |
| 00:47.28 | inspiron | themill: I am trying to build a package with many many versions. I have a version number which ranges say from 160-210 and I am just building the packages |
| 00:47.39 | Jbirdla | We both were just amazed, the server is racked in santa ana ca datacenter. |
| 00:48.01 | Jbirdla | server had 800+ day uptime, would be 1600 had the dc not had a power outage piror. |
| 00:48.03 | inspiron | themill: nothing new goes into changelog because I am using a different revision control system |
| 00:48.16 | Jbirdla | 3 rows of drives, 2nd row just went dead. |
| 00:48.25 | themill | inspiron: the changelog is not a revision control system... we've been through this before, haven't we? |
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| 00:48.41 | inspiron | themill: :( I don't remember :D |
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| 00:49.08 | inspiron | themill: let me open my debian_policy |
| 00:49.24 | dondelelcaro | a server with a 800 day uptime is in dire need of a kernel upgrade |
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| 00:51.28 | Jbirdla | dondelelcaro: Yes Im going to slap a whole new os/drive in there for it. but I want to just get the data/server back up, to save the data |
| 00:51.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | AToM-BoMB, please keep it in the channel (which is doubly useful, because I know about kmuto, but have not had to use it... but afaik it should behave about like the regular lenny installer disk, just with a newer kernel) |
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| 00:52.32 | AToM-BoMB | Sorry CutMeOwnThroat |
| 00:52.52 | AToM-BoMB | Its starts out like normal then i get some rescuer prompt |
| 00:52.58 | AToM-BoMB | and i can do anything from there |
| 00:53.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | streuner, you used kmuto? |
| 00:54.11 | streuner | CutMeOwnThroat: nah, never needed |
| 00:54.26 | inspiron | themill: the different driver/kmodule versions are tracked by a separate system where each developer can log on to and check what was changed. If I add this to the changelog then we have 2 active revision control systems. So let's just leave them with what they are using |
| 00:54.27 | streuner | CutMeOwnThroat: i have only old hardware :-P |
| 00:55.34 | streuner | CutMeOwnThroat: or just used d-i (devel) |
| 00:56.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | I _think_ it should behave like the regular installer... never used it either, though |
| 00:56.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman perhaps :) |
| 00:57.00 | abrotman | ? |
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| 01:03.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, kmuto doesn't seem to boot but... dunno - drop him into a grub-prompt? It's not supposed to do that, is it? |
| 01:04.16 | abrotman | grub prompt? |
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| 01:04.57 | karsten | Jbirdla: Interesting. |
| 01:05.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | "some rescuer prompt" |
| 01:06.42 | karsten | Jbirdla: Sounds as if you're booting into your initrd, which can't find the on-disk init, so you're bailing out. That's a busybox environment. |
| 01:07.01 | karsten | Jbirdla: are you local to the box or remote? What kind of access? Remote hands? |
| 01:07.28 | Jbirdla | karsten: yea its booting into initrd. Not currently, Im waiting for traffic to die down. I do have someone in front of it I can put on the phone etc.. |
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| 01:08.08 | phorce1 | what would cause rm to thing a directory is not empty and refuse to remove it? http://paste.debian.net/78317 |
| 01:08.16 | phorce1 | s/thing/think/ |
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| 01:08.25 | karsten | Jbirdla: if you've got 'dmesg' or can cat /proc/kmesg (I think) you may get a better idea of what the problem is. |
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| 01:09.32 | karsten | phorce1: You can't 'rm' a non-empty directory. Possibly a mount point, or it's remounted read-only (check /proc/mounts). |
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| 01:09.59 | Jbirdla | karsten: Im trying to get the error/screenshot now. I wouldnt know what to do really if I saw the error but working on it. |
| 01:10.59 | karsten | phorce1: 'lsof | grep dec04' may give you additional info. |
| 01:11.28 | phorce1 | karsten: it was a hole tree --- all but that one directory vanished as desired. And if you'll note the paste, ls shows no files in the directory. --- and nothing on the lsof |
| 01:11.32 | phorce1 | <sigh> |
| 01:11.35 | karsten | phorce1: Though I've got to say, it looks empty. |
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| 01:13.05 | phorce1 | karsten: abrotman suggested it's time for fsck. Looks like he's right |
| 01:13.28 | karsten | phorce1: Yeah. 'dumpe2fs' may give you something as well. |
| 01:14.25 | abrotman | don't make fun of me! |
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| 01:21.37 | Jbirdla | karsten: Getting the screen shoots now. fdisk -l shows the raid/partition he says. |
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| 01:23.30 | tycel | k |
| 01:23.44 | tycel | i've been looking but where is the php.ini get installed to when you use aptitude? |
| 01:23.52 | thrice` | is it possible to see which packages are explicitely installed by the user ? |
| 01:24.32 | streuner | thrice`: user is root, look at /var/log/dpkg.log |
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| 01:25.16 | thrice` | streuner, sure, but that includes deps of things I install; I mean, things that I've explicitely installed |
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| 01:26.03 | ricardo1 | blz. |
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| 01:26.44 | ricardo1 | Alguem tem algum material interessante, desejo tirar minha certificação lp1 |
| 01:26.52 | bleeber | tycel: php -i | grep ini |
| 01:27.33 | dvs | hmmm... lxde doesn't look bad |
| 01:27.34 | abrotman | ricardo1: this is #debian, we support Debian here |
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| 01:28.38 | ricardo1 | excuse |
| 01:28.43 | streuner | !pt |
| 01:28.43 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt ) |
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| 01:36.51 | Jbirdla | karsten: Here is a screen shot from a ubuntu livecd boot http://tinypic.com/r/10fwfhe/6 |
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| 01:52.09 | chaz__ | Anyone know why I kernel panic during install specifically during the "detect and mount cdrom" stage of the expert install? |
| 01:52.31 | karsten | Jbirdla: Sorry, been busy, and heading out RSN. |
| 01:52.32 | chaz__ | It's a PII 233 with 192MB ram that should be plenty no? |
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| 01:53.33 | karsten | Jbirdla: You're seeing LVM on sda2. Not sure what's supposed to be on sdb1. I don't recongnize GPT off the top of my head -- is that a very large partition by any chance? |
| 01:53.53 | karsten | notes it's 2.5 TB .... probably. |
| 01:55.15 | heIpme | would any of you be so awesome as to point me to a channel where i can get help removing a trojan from my windows partition? |
| 01:55.37 | karsten | Jbirdla: You need to use a different partitioning tool. fdisk won't handle it. |
| 01:55.45 | karsten | heIpme: Elsewhere. |
| 01:56.05 | abrotman | heIpme: ##windows ? |
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| 01:56.44 | heIpme | thank you abrotman |
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| 01:56.54 | heIpme | love sidux woo! |
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| 01:57.25 | abrotman | heIpme: bye |
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| 01:59.29 | sepult | for a short period i lost my arrow, home and up down keys, then i copied my sanized headers to /usr/include, |
| 01:59.29 | sepult | loggoed out and in again, and they are back (: |
| 01:59.44 | Jbirdla | karsten: Yes 2.5TB, I was just reading about a different tool |
| 01:59.49 | sepult | but i lost them only on the tty's not on konsole ... |
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| 02:00.54 | Jbirdla | karsten: Should I not be able to just mount it? do I need to gptfdisk it for something? |
| 02:01.07 | Jbirdla | I really just need the data in the 2.5TB group |
| 02:01.20 | Jbirdla | I can reinstall a new os/drive(Its what Im going to do). |
| 02:01.52 | sepult | my /var is totally out of sync |
| 02:01.56 | sepult | gah |
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| 02:02.27 | tuv | what does it mean when two-finger scrolling causes the pointer to quickly and constantly jump all over the screen? |
| 02:02.49 | tuv | which parameter should fix this? |
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| 02:04.03 | abrotman | one of your fingers is broken |
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| 02:08.21 | Jbirdla | karsten: Im going to install debian on a new drive, and try to use that and the tools there to handle the GPT what you think? |
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| 02:10.32 | tuv | abrotman: it was working perfectly. a month or so back |
| 02:10.53 | tuv | abrotman: my finger hasn't changed since. AFAIK |
| 02:11.03 | jmarsden | tuv: You have not used one of your two fingers for a month or so? |
| 02:12.04 | tuv | debugs his finger |
| 02:12.42 | tuv | assuming my fingers are fine, can some suggest a synaptics driver option that can be responsible? |
| 02:14.29 | Jbirdla | anyone have links to old iso's ? 2.6.184 ? |
| 02:14.44 | dvs | 184?!? |
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| 02:15.06 | Jbirdla | yes just to restore this server/raid, backup the data |
| 02:15.08 | Jbirdla | and bomb it |
| 02:15.51 | Jbirdla | dvs unless you can help with a livecd( http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=10fwfhe&s=6 ) |
| 02:16.00 | Jbirdla | to just mount it so I can pull the data. |
| 02:16.45 | dvs | Jbirdla: i'd use knoppix myself |
| 02:17.09 | Jbirdla | You think that will have the tools to handle gpt? |
| 02:17.44 | dvs | never used gpt |
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| 02:20.00 | qq- | what's gpt ? |
| 02:21.01 | abrotman | tuv: gsynaptics ? |
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| 02:22.52 | apostle | my soundcard soundblaster live keeps freezing when I launch audacity |
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| 02:29.28 | jpinx-eeepc | what's this - Squeeze is frozen? http://lists.debian.org/debian-cd/2010/06/msg00022.html |
| 02:30.21 | abrotman | not |
| 02:30.27 | qq- | ah , gpt: GUID Partition Table (Id ee) , fdisk doesn't support GPT, use GNU Parted |
| 02:31.19 | abrotman | jpinx-eeepc: read it again |
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| 02:32.24 | jpinx-eeepc | abrotman: Stable NEW will be frozen during the weekend of June 19th - 20th. |
| 02:32.28 | jpinx-eeepc | seems clear enough |
| 02:32.50 | HermanDE_ | jpinx-eeepc, Yes, the earth is melting again... Only happens once a generation... :) |
| 02:32.51 | jpinx-eeepc | but if it hasn't happened - it's academic ;) |
| 02:33.41 | qq- | jpinx-eeepc, europe is frozen (9.0 â) ;-( |
| 02:33.45 | HermanDE_ | jpinx-eeepc, That looks like a Lenny update.... Nothing like squeeze.... |
| 02:33.51 | abrotman | jpinx-eeepc: read it again! |
| 02:34.08 | HermanDE_ | jpinx-eeepc, A freeze prior to the new Lenny.... |
| 02:34.37 | Lokke` | offtopic: where is the visual basic chan? |
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| 02:35.54 | abrotman | try ##vb.net |
| 02:36.11 | Lokke` | ty |
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| 02:37.09 | jpinx-eeepc | abrotman: whatever -- they should stick to release names instead of generic stable - NEW stable will be squeeze ... |
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| 02:37.25 | abrotman | okay! |
| 02:37.31 | abrotman | jpinx-eeepc: see the debian-release list |
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| 02:38.05 | jpinx-eeepc | abrotman: fair comment - I didn't x-check |
| 02:38.27 | tk3 | http://www.electricdaisycarnival.com/la/index.php |
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| 02:40.54 | Jbirdla | going to try gparted on the ubuntu cd |
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| 02:42.30 | qq- | !live |
| 02:42.30 | dpkg | The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. As of squeeze, the images can be installed with d-i. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLive/FAQ http://live.debian.net/ #debian-live on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 02:50.23 | Jbirdla | does the current live cd of debian have gpt kernel support by default? |
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| 02:52.45 | tuv | abrotman: i've been playing with the synaptics parameters. best i can do is get a wide finger (e.g. thumb sideways) to scroll. two fingers still causes the pointer to jump randomly, continuously |
| 02:52.58 | abrotman | gsynaptics ? |
| 02:56.07 | tuv | abrotman: what's with gsynaptics? the package doesn't have any binaries anyway |
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| 02:57.33 | tuv | abrotman: in gpointing-device-settings dialog, two-finger scrolling is enabled already |
| 02:58.23 | abrotman | see .. this is why trackpoint is better! |
| 02:58.45 | abrotman | tuv: maybe check your X log |
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| 02:59.01 | tuv | two-finger scrolling works, but two-finger emulation detection is broken. one wide finger (or two touching fingers) is detected as two fingers. two fingers are not |
| 02:59.54 | tuv | abrotman: all the log shows is that it reads my options properly |
| 03:00.19 | tuv | abrotman: does the trackpoint do scrolling at all? |
| 03:00.24 | abrotman | then maybe ask #xorg .. i've intentionally disabled that damn pad on my thinkpad |
| 03:00.39 | abrotman | tuv: it has a middle click/scroll button and you can configure it to scroll |
| 03:00.53 | tuv | IMO, the touchpad's advantage is random access ;) |
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| 03:01.35 | abrotman | okay |
| 03:01.40 | abrotman | waves, goes to sleep |
| 03:03.38 | karlpinc | The trackpoint ruined my wrists, until I gave up on it. |
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| 03:40.10 | rojes | he estado buscando ayuda con un problema y no he encontrado ayuda, algjuien puede ayudarme, espero me disculpen y tengan paciencia no tengo experiencia en este tipo de chat |
| 03:40.39 | rojes | la verdad en ninguno |
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| 03:41.12 | rojes | bueno cuento por si alguien puede ayudarme |
| 03:41.28 | jmarsden | !es |
| 03:41.28 | dpkg | Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat |
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| 03:41.56 | rojes | gracias |
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| 03:55.39 | lfs | I installed a new card and my X is needs a tuneup. |
| 03:55.50 | lfs | Any X Xperts here? |
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| 03:58.35 | Rusty1 | lfs describe the card, what you did, and what's happening in more detail and maybe some help |
| 03:59.41 | lfs | It is out of scan range in higher resolutions and there is too much green in .jpg files |
| 04:00.16 | lfs | I installed a Radeon HD 4650 card after my last card blew out. |
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| 04:03.14 | simplechat | Hey, I just aptitude installed mysql-server, it never asked for a password and won't let me in without one |
| 04:03.22 | simplechat | any ideas? |
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| 04:03.35 | simplechat | also if i open up the table directly it has no root user |
| 04:03.39 | simplechat | (this is on debian lenny) |
| 04:03.55 | lfs | Let you in what? |
| 04:04.04 | simplechat | mysql -u root fails |
| 04:04.13 | simplechat | (access denied) |
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| 04:05.54 | IceIsFun | hello, im on debian stable and I want to upgrade xfsutils to the latest 3.x version which is only in test, whats the best way to do this |
| 04:06.08 | simplechat | IceIsFun, apt pinning is probably what you want |
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| 04:08.48 | Jbird99 | Im in front of the server now. |
| 04:09.20 | Jbird99 | :) |
| 04:09.49 | Jbird99 | The OS is not on the RAID it was a on seperate drive. |
| 04:10.45 | simplechat | but yeah |
| 04:10.52 | simplechat | anybody know why mysql would install so horribly borked? |
| 04:11.37 | lfs | What is command to start mysql? |
| 04:12.15 | IceIsFun | simplechat: that seems to have done it |
| 04:13.09 | simplechat | lfs, /etc/init.d/mysql start |
| 04:13.11 | simplechat | IceIsFun, :D |
| 04:14.28 | simplechat | is there any wayt o completely remove a package? |
| 04:14.32 | simplechat | including all its config ifles? |
| 04:14.46 | jmarsden | simplechat: aptitude purge PACKAGE |
| 04:15.08 | lfs | I don't think that really gets rid of everything. |
| 04:15.14 | simplechat | thanks :) |
| 04:15.19 | simplechat | lfs, what does? |
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| 04:15.31 | lfs | I have been trying to figure that out for years. |
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| 04:16.45 | jmarsden | AFAIK, if aptitude purge PACKAGE doesn't fully install a package, that would be a bug. |
| 04:16.52 | jmarsden | *uninstall |
| 04:17.10 | jmarsden | Which package are you desperate to uninstall fully? |
| 04:17.36 | simplechat | 100622 12:18:54 [Warning] Found invalid password for user: 'debian-sys-maint@localhost'; Ignoring user |
| 04:17.39 | simplechat | on install? |
| 04:17.52 | simplechat | jmarsden, for some very odd reason my mysql packages borked on install |
| 04:17.59 | simplechat | so the server fails to run/client can't log in |
| 04:18.00 | simplechat | etc |
| 04:18.06 | simplechat | and i'm trying to get them to, well, work |
| 04:19.18 | lfs | I got mysql to work on Lenny but I forgot everything. |
| 04:19.28 | lfs | I think it asks for password on install. |
| 04:19.36 | simplechat | yeah |
| 04:19.43 | simplechat | mine doesn't/didn't |
| 04:19.52 | jmarsden | So, aptitude purge them and then aptitude install again, and all should be well? What happens when you try that? |
| 04:20.01 | simplechat | i just purged |
| 04:20.04 | simplechat | i'm going to install now |
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| 04:20.34 | simplechat | jmarsden, it installs |
| 04:20.38 | simplechat | never asks for a password |
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| 04:21.13 | jmarsden | Hmmm, OK. I think that means debconf remembered the one you used before. |
| 04:21.25 | simplechat | i've never been asked for a password |
| 04:21.31 | simplechat | this is a new vm about an hour old |
| 04:21.43 | simplechat | so its never had a mysql password |
| 04:21.54 | simplechat | and if i look inside the users table, a root user was never created |
| 04:23.15 | karlpinc | simplechat: Perhaps your debconf options were too "low" and so it didn't ask. Try dpkg-reconfigure, perhaps telling it to ask more questions. |
| 04:23.37 | simplechat | dpkg-reconfigure mysql-server |
| 04:23.37 | simplechat | intranet:~# |
| 04:24.10 | simplechat | ok |
| 04:24.14 | simplechat | this actually seems ok |
| 04:24.25 | simplechat | uh, no |
| 04:24.28 | simplechat | i got it to ask for a root password |
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| 04:24.37 | simplechat | however it didn't recognise it when i tried |
| 04:25.56 | simplechat | purged mysql-server-5.0 and told it to delete the database |
| 04:26.03 | simplechat | again it asked for a password but didn't accept it |
| 04:26.14 | simplechat | i'm going to check if the root user even exists |
| 04:26.52 | simplechat | yep |
| 04:26.56 | simplechat | root was never made |
| 04:27.04 | simplechat | debian-sys-maint is the only user there |
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| 04:29.36 | simplechat | grrrr |
| 04:29.46 | simplechat | debian-sys-maint isn't root |
| 04:29.52 | qq- | wwwconfig-common: /usr/share/wwwconfig-common/mysql-createuser.sh ; /usr/bin/mysql-admin |
| 04:30.38 | simplechat | /usr/bin/mysql-admin doesn't exist for me |
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| 04:37.20 | Jbird99 | inactive '/dev/SYSGRP/ROOTVOL' [32.38 GiB] inherit |
| 04:37.41 | Jbird99 | I think this inactive lvm is why it cant find the rootvol/boot... any helpers/ideas? |
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| 04:40.11 | simplechat | this is kind of nuts :( |
| 04:40.15 | simplechat | broken packages suck horribly |
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| 04:43.02 | jmarsden | simplechat: mysql is such a commonly used tool, either you have a very strange vm that triggered a bug, or there is some other difference between your situation and that of the many other folks who have working Debian MySQL installations... |
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| 04:44.43 | simplechat | jmarsden, this is a standard debian install |
| 04:45.01 | simplechat | on a working xen box (there are another ~15 debian vms running on it, all clones of this one and they are all fine) |
| 04:45.18 | simplechat | the only problem is that mysql is completely borked and i have no idea how to get it to a sane state |
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| 04:45.24 | simplechat | aptitude purge doesn't seem to do anything |
| 04:45.32 | simplechat | no root user is being created on install |
| 04:45.38 | simplechat | and i don't know how to fix it |
| 04:45.46 | simplechat | also i'm getting "ERROR 1 (HY000): Can't create/write to file '/tmp/#sql_f08_0.MYI' (Errcode: 13) |
| 04:45.46 | simplechat | " errors |
| 04:45.48 | simplechat | for some odd reason |
| 04:46.21 | Jbird99 | http://tinypic.com/r/6tpjcx/6 .. |
| 04:46.21 | jmarsden | Clone one of the working ones, and throw away the one that is breaking? ... or, if /tmp were full or read only, that would break many installers... is that the issue?? |
| 04:46.52 | simplechat | jmarsden, i've just spent the last few hours setting this up :( |
| 04:47.24 | simplechat | total 16K |
| 04:47.24 | simplechat | drwxr-xr-x 4 root root 4.0K Jun 22 12:45 . |
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| 05:02.38 | p3rror | hello |
| 05:02.45 | p3rror | please i upgrade to squeeze |
| 05:02.55 | p3rror | and i have a problem with udev |
| 05:03.11 | p3rror | the message i got is http://pastebin.de/7463 |
| 05:03.48 | simplechat | did you set the correct locale settings? |
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| 05:05.22 | p3rror | how can i do that |
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| 05:12.14 | simplechat | hey jmarsden could it be because i'm using the xen console? |
| 05:13.02 | jmarsden | simplechat: I suppose it might be related to that? Did you use the xen console for the other 15 VMs that work fine? |
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| 05:16.04 | simplechat | yeah |
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| 05:16.18 | simplechat | and this server is also fine |
| 05:16.27 | simplechat | lighty/php/etc/ are all set up properly |
| 05:16.36 | tarzeau | Kensan: not really, but yes. however i'm in sweeden, gotland now |
| 05:19.25 | jmarsden | simplechat: Can you definitely write files to /tmp OK on the "bad" VM? echo junk >/tmp/junk works as expected? That "cant' write file" message seems to me like a BIG clue... |
| 05:19.28 | Voldenet | Im compiling following code with gcc: "while(fscanf(file,"%[^\n]s",line)!=EOF)" |
| 05:19.33 | Voldenet | and it creates infinite loop |
| 05:19.39 | Voldenet | Why is that? |
| 05:19.46 | simplechat | jmarsden, yep |
| 05:19.47 | Voldenet | I mean, it worked perfectly on Arch |
| 05:19.49 | simplechat | works fine |
| 05:21.06 | Voldenet | Anyone? |
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| 05:22.27 | p3rror | a politic question about desktop env |
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| 05:22.42 | jmarsden | Voldenet: This is not really a programming support channel... you could ask in ##c maybe? |
| 05:22.43 | p3rror | what do you prefer as desktop manager |
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| 05:22.51 | p3rror | in a P4 |
| 05:22.55 | Voldenet | jmarsden, problem is in gcc |
| 05:22.58 | Voldenet | not c |
| 05:23.13 | Voldenet | This code works on Arch and FreeBSD |
| 05:23.17 | Voldenet | Just not on debian. |
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| 05:25.46 | jmarsden | Voldenet: I am no expert on that... does man scanf on Debian have different info than man scanf on the other OSes? perhaps comparing them will explain why things are working differently? |
| 05:26.14 | Voldenet | Nah |
| 05:26.26 | Voldenet | Well, ill use different syntax |
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| 05:32.21 | simplechat | hey jmarsden just cloned a new image |
| 05:32.33 | simplechat | installed mysql-server, it asked for a password i gave it one |
| 05:32.37 | simplechat | it then refused to work with it |
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| 05:33.54 | simplechat | :( |
| 05:33.57 | simplechat | this is over ssh |
| 05:34.10 | jmarsden | I don't know what is going on with your VMs... installing mysql-server is "it just works" simple for me whenever I try it... |
| 05:34.18 | simplechat | yeah |
| 05:34.23 | simplechat | hmmmmm |
| 05:34.29 | simplechat | do you have one that is working somewhere? |
| 05:35.53 | jmarsden | Well... not under Xen that I can play with. I can set one up here under VirtualBox and test with that, if you think it will help. |
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| 05:36.24 | simplechat | hmmmm |
| 05:36.25 | simplechat | :( |
| 05:36.31 | simplechat | i don't know what else to do |
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| 05:36.46 | greedo | keep getting a ldap connection error |
| 05:37.33 | jmarsden | simplechat: OK, I'll fire up Lenny in a VM here and try it out... |
| 05:38.16 | greedo | www sshd[2634]: pam_ldap: ldap_simple_bind Can't contact LDAP server |
| 05:38.24 | simplechat | kk |
| 05:38.31 | greedo | from auth.log |
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| 05:40.14 | simplechat | jmarsden, if you could do a fresh install and then dump mysql.user |
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| 05:40.34 | simplechat | then i can reimport the good user tables |
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| 05:42.22 | greedo | what would cause this? |
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| 05:44.12 | simplechat | greedo, firewall issue |
| 05:44.18 | simplechat | pam not configured with the right ldap server |
| 05:44.20 | simplechat | lots of things |
| 05:44.40 | greedo | not a firewall issue |
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| 05:45.54 | simplechat | greedo, what did you tell it to connect to? |
| 05:45.54 | jmarsden | simplechat: OK... http://computeroptions.net/jonathan/user.dump.txt |
| 05:46.05 | simplechat | yay |
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| 05:46.18 | jmarsden | simplechat: root pw in there is foobar |
| 05:46.28 | simplechat | kk |
| 05:46.56 | greedo | ldap server |
| 05:47.11 | greedo | that is sitting right next to it |
| 05:47.26 | greedo | it's trying to do client auth |
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| 05:53.03 | simplechat | jmarsden, you have three different roots? |
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| 05:53.44 | jmarsden | I didn't look at what was in there, but I think that may be the default... depends whether you connect from localhost, etc etc..?? |
| 05:54.31 | jmarsden | I just did apt-get install mysql-server and provided the pw when asked, then I did mysql -u root -p to check it worked, then mysqldump .... --database mysql --table user >user.dump.txt for you. |
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| 05:55.44 | simplechat | yay :) |
| 05:55.53 | simplechat | it works :D |
| 05:56.08 | jmarsden | Good :) |
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| 07:30.12 | alcohol | mornin' people |
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| 07:33.15 | Obligatory | General Q. I've been using Debian for 12 years, love the software dependency checking! Lately, fiddling with nvidia & ATI cards, I'm wondering why doesn't driver software have a dependency checking mechanism for hardware? As in particular drivers should only install for particular cards so you install the wrong driver, it hangs. |
| 07:33.28 | hid3 | Hello everyone. How do I specify a kernel image only for one boot in SILO? In LILO it was lilo -R /image or sth liek that... |
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| 07:35.00 | Obligatory | D'oh, last bit should have been: As in particular drivers should only install for particular cards. As is now you install the wrong driver, it hangs. |
| 07:36.12 | starenka | hi a have small shel script which sets wol. when i try to make it run during boot via update-rc.d wol defaults i get "insserv: warning: script 'wol' missing LSB tags and overrides" and the script is not executed on run (the script is okay, tried to run it and it does its job right). any clues? |
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| 07:38.24 | KineticBug | What's the best way of checking a machines specs, cpu, ram, disk mainly |
| 07:38.37 | Obligatory | starenka: see 'man insserv' which describes the needed LSB header. |
| 07:38.55 | Morten_ | KineticBug: inxi -F |
| 07:39.08 | Morten_ | or just inxi for less output |
| 07:39.17 | poisonbit | KineticBug, there are many, /proc/cpuinfo, dmidecode, lshw, etc |
| 07:39.29 | poisonbit | KineticBug, will get serial numbers and all |
| 07:39.55 | Obligatory | KineticBug, many. 'cat /proc/cpuinfo', 'free', and 'df -h'. 'gparted' is nice for disks. |
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| 07:40.20 | KineticBug | Thanks guys :) |
| 07:41.01 | poisonbit | dmesg is very verbose too |
| 07:41.34 | Obligatory | 2nd call, for my current pet peeve. Why no package dependency checking for hardware? (Maybe there's a good reason, but what might it be...) |
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| 07:42.37 | sweetpi | can anyone give me info on bridging my wireless and wired connections? |
| 07:42.51 | poisonbit | you will ned install bridge-utils |
| 07:43.28 | sweetpi | yes ive done that, and setup in interfaces, but i cant ping anything |
| 07:43.29 | poisonbit | next logical step is to loock into /usr/share/doc/ to see examples about the interfaces file and the bridge addon |
| 07:43.35 | Obligatory | starenka, I forgot 'hardinfo' a nice GTK frontend... |
| 07:43.56 | poisonbit | sweetpi, paste your interfacees in paste.debian.net and pass us the url of the paste |
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| 07:44.32 | sweetpi | here is one ive already done: http://pastebin.com/cGkxvV6a |
| 07:44.46 | Obligatory | s/starenka/KineticBug/ argh |
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| 07:45.02 | KineticBug | Hehe |
| 07:45.10 | poisonbit | sweetpi, you may need more bridge related parameters |
| 07:45.24 | poisonbit | sweetpi, have you look into /usr/share/doc ? |
| 07:45.35 | starenka | Obligatory: yeah, got it :D |
| 07:45.49 | sweetpi | poisonbit: yes |
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| 07:47.00 | Obligatory | 3rd shot, practical. Ever look up how to install a graphics driver, and then have to figure out which card you have, then which driver you need, and get it wrong? I have. |
| 07:47.01 | poisonbit | sweetpi, I use to add: bridge_maxwait 0 but I don't use it with wifi, i use it to bridge opnvpn |
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| 07:47.34 | simplechat | random question, any reason why it would take forever to ssh into a server? |
| 07:47.46 | poisonbit | network, dns,... |
| 07:47.55 | starenka | Obligatory: definig the lsb headers now. how should i say in required-start? it's a script which sets params on lan card. so networking should be up? |
| 07:47.59 | simplechat | i have a valid reverse dns |
| 07:48.03 | poisonbit | simplechat, ssh uses always dns |
| 07:48.05 | simplechat | and it has a valid domain name and reverse dns |
| 07:48.11 | starenka | simplechat: server frikin' busy? |
| 07:48.19 | poisonbit | simplechat, telnet IP 22 |
| 07:48.22 | simplechat | 0 load |
| 07:48.27 | poisonbit | do you see the banner ? |
| 07:48.43 | simplechat | SSH-2.0...... |
| 07:48.44 | simplechat | yeah |
| 07:48.45 | simplechat | instant |
| 07:48.56 | poisonbit | mmm key-setup ? |
| 07:49.00 | simplechat | yeah |
| 07:49.09 | simplechat | debug1: Next authentication method: gssapi-with-mic |
| 07:49.14 | simplechat | Credentials cache file '/tmp/krb5cc_1000' not found |
| 07:49.14 | poisonbit | you can add -v -vv etc to commands to see more output |
| 07:49.17 | starenka | Obligatory: defining the lsb headers now. what should i put in required-start? it's a script which sets params on lan card. so networking should be up? |
| 07:49.20 | simplechat | what on earth ar those? |
| 07:49.21 | Obligatory | starenka, hmm, should networking be up. What kind of params, hardware or software. |
| 07:49.24 | sweetpi | poisonbit: i tried that, and it made my essid look like shellcode |
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| 07:49.41 | starenka | Obligatory: it enables wol on the card |
| 07:49.45 | poisonbit | sweetpi, -vvv and pastebin |
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| 07:50.00 | Obligatory | starenka, what's wol? |
| 07:50.06 | starenka | wake on lan |
| 07:50.16 | poisonbit | world od linux |
| 07:50.32 | sweetpi | poisonbit: verbose on what? |
| 07:50.32 | starenka | Obligatory: basically smthng like ethtool -s eth0 wol g |
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| 07:50.51 | poisonbit | sweetpi, in the client, or you may enable debud in the server and paste syslog |
| 07:51.04 | poisonbit | s/debud/debug/ |
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| 07:51.52 | sweetpi | poisonbit: mmm im not sure what you mean, what server? |
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| 07:52.07 | poisonbit | sweetpi, the ssh server maybe ? |
| 07:52.15 | Obligatory | starenka, I dunno if it matters, that it, it may not matter. Anyway, if it doesn't matter, then your script can afford to run late into bootup. That'd be good, less compex.. |
| 07:52.22 | Obligatory | complex |
| 07:52.33 | sweetpi | poisonbit: im talking about wireless.. that must be someone else :) |
| 07:52.43 | simplechat | bingo gssapi on the server side |
| 07:52.46 | simplechat | is being a bitch :D |
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| 07:52.46 | poisonbit | oh |
| 07:52.47 | simplechat | fixed now |
| 07:53.04 | starenka | Obligatory: so i just put it on further runlevel? |
| 07:53.14 | poisonbit | sweetpi, yea it was for simplechat sorry |
| 07:53.29 | poisonbit | I mixed all :) |
| 07:53.42 | sweetpi | hehe |
| 07:54.06 | Obligatory | starenka, or whatever the LSB equivalent of runlevel is. I only learned about this LSB stuff last month. |
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| 07:55.10 | poisonbit | sweetpi, zmore /usr/share/doc/bridge-utils/README.Debian.gz to see examples and explanations, maybe one of them is the issue |
| 07:55.16 | Obligatory | starenka, the idea of LSB is pretty neat though! It's like package dependency checking, but for boot scripts. |
| 07:55.39 | starenka | Obligatory: yeah, i see, but well, you know :D |
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| 07:56.46 | Obligatory | starenka, what manual to look in is about all I gots... |
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| 07:57.09 | sylar | does fail2ban have a central ignore IPs, that it would not ban? |
| 07:57.41 | sylar | like instead of inserting these IPs to each service ignoreregex? |
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| 07:59.59 | sylar | found it |
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| 08:00.42 | dupondje | who is managing dpkg bot? something really needs to get added to the bot |
| 08:01.30 | Bystander | starenka, come to think of it, LSB is what got me thinking about my pet peeve. We have wonderful package dependency checking, and now LSB boot script order dependency checking but no package/hardware dependency checking. |
| 08:02.34 | Bystander | Whoa, got logged off and now Obligatory is Bystander. 'xchat' you rascal. |
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| 08:03.07 | starenka | np |
| 08:03.29 | Bystander | np? |
| 08:04.43 | dupondje | Are we going to package beta versions in sid ? or only stable versions ? |
| 08:05.18 | Bystander | dupondje, isn't 'sid' always unstable? |
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| 08:05.48 | Bystander | dupondje, short answer: beta. |
| 08:06.23 | dupondje | http://packages.qa.debian.org/r/roundcube.html so they should package the new beta ? :) |
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| 08:08.17 | Bystander | dupondje, varies. Whatever the maintainer feel like doing seems to be the rule... I don't always like it, but that's how they do stuff. |
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| 08:27.31 | grimpirate | Its a synaptics touchpad |
| 08:28.25 | poisonbit | using another xorg driver for generic touchpads/mouses worked for me in previous debian versions |
| 08:28.44 | amphi | grimpirate: I expect you can do that with xinput |
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| 08:57.28 | joltcan | voltagex: You could configure the network in /etc/network/interfaces instead |
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| 09:34.58 | juniorsa | Hi, I just logged into my debian lenny box, - recently upgraded - and uptime shows "05:33:40 up 1 day, 16:56, 5 users, load average: 1832.99, 1801.00, 1702.49" I am trying to shutdown apache and mysql but it seems to just keep trying to stop them but never come back, ps gives many lines and then hangs, any suggestions - should I reboot? |
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| 09:56.18 | reactor | guys? |
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| 09:56.19 | reactor | does squeeze support ext4? |
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| 10:09.06 | Blackvel | how can i save installed package-infos so I can auto-re-install all those packages on a new lenny system? |
| 10:09.26 | Blackvel | and if i have a corrupt linux system, can i manually save a file where i can find those informations? |
| 10:09.47 | themill | dpkg: tell Blackvel about aptitude clone |
| 10:12.03 | Blackvel | thnx |
| 10:12.13 | Blackvel | that requires a working image and running aptitude cmd? |
| 10:12.21 | Blackvel | my bash got corrupted yesterday |
| 10:12.43 | Blackvel | looking for ways to auto-clone the "good parts" of the vserver image to a new vserver install |
| 10:13.00 | Blackvel | without manually re-installing all packages by try-and-error |
| 10:13.39 | themill | you can work off a livecd and tell aptitude to use a different set of directories for its database. (also /msg dpkg debian clone, which you can similarly fool dpkg into using a different admindir) |
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| 10:17.10 | Blackvel | is it a good idea to 1:1 copy files from the current lenny (bash corrupted install) to a new lenny vserver image? i think /bin/bash /bin/sh are not found as rm may have deleted some important links/libs |
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| 10:19.13 | starenka | im perorming scheduled backups from my ntb to pc. i use rsync/ssh to accomplish the task. i use wol to power up the remote machine. all i need is to halt the machine when the backup is done. BUT: how can i ditinguish the machine was started by wol and not f.e by myself (watching a movie)? Any idea how to make this? |
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| 10:21.56 | starenka | the machine has auto login (kde4) so i guess i cant use something like w... |
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| 10:23.43 | lindi- | starenka: if you do the backups in the middle of the night you can use that boot time to figure it out |
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| 10:24.20 | lindi- | starenka: cat /proc/acpi/wakeup has configured wakeup sources |
| 10:24.39 | starenka | lindi-: no i don't the ntb has to be up too ;) can i somehow determine "is something else happening on except copying the backup via ssh"? |
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| 10:24.50 | Bushmills | starenka: let the machine which issued the wake issue the powerdown |
| 10:25.17 | Bushmills | that machine knows, and can accordingly shutdown, after rsync |
| 10:25.18 | starenka | yes, im trying to... but i dont want to halt the comp in the middle of the movie/amarok session etc |
| 10:25.42 | HakanBey_ | hi |
| 10:25.52 | HakanBey_ | i have a problem |
| 10:25.52 | lindi- | starenka: you could halt it only if the display is off? |
| 10:26.43 | starenka | lindi-: hmmmm good one, but i often just listen to music w/ display off (i dont like devices being powered up, when not neccesarry) |
| 10:27.14 | starenka | lindi-: btw, how can i recognize display is powered off? |
| 10:27.33 | HakanBey_ | even though i install debian keyring - firmware and wireless tools , i can not see wireless networks with my debian lenny |
| 10:28.11 | EmleyMoor | HakanBey_: Do you know which wireless card you have? |
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| 10:29.23 | HakanBey_ | EmleyMoor : intel 5100 agn |
| 10:29.51 | EmleyMoor | HakanBey_: Is it recognised? |
| 10:30.01 | themill | !iwlagn |
| 10:30.01 | dpkg | iwlagn is the driver for the Intel Wireless WiFi Link (4965AGN, 5100AGN, 5300AGN, 5350AGN, 5150AGN, 1000BGN, 6000AGN, 6250AGN) series of devices. Included in mainline Linux kernels since 2.6.27. Lenny users: ask me about <bpo> to install a later kernel image package containing this driver. Firmware is required, ask me about <iwlagn firmware> to provide. http://wiki.debian.org/iwlagn |
| 10:30.18 | themill | (you need the kernel and firmware package from backports.org) |
| 10:30.28 | Blackvel | themill: how would you do a lenny 1:1 backup? the vserver hoster told me that he might cp and .tar.gz the whole image? |
| 10:30.55 | Blackvel | themill: i would have loved to try to overwrite 1:1 /lib /var/lib and stuff |
| 10:31.09 | themill | ummm backups are something that I normally make before the system is broken |
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| 10:31.26 | HakanBey_ | i have already looked that wiki link |
| 10:31.35 | Blackvel | there is no way to check a current system and files against a valid system structure? e.g what files "rm *" deleted exactly? |
| 10:31.41 | HakanBey_ | and i install step by step |
| 10:31.50 | themill | Blackvel: debsums can help with that |
| 10:31.58 | HakanBey_ | but it is not still showed |
| 10:32.11 | Blackvel | themill: i have "some" backups for apache, postfix configuration, but not a 1:1 complete system backup (was not offered by hoster to auto-clone system externally) |
| 10:32.45 | HakanBey_ | it is not recognized |
| 10:32.48 | starenka | lindi-: ok i will go for the "display off", any what file to grep for the power state? |
| 10:32.56 | starenka | s/any/any idea |
| 10:33.26 | EmleyMoor | HakanBey_: What does uname -a say? |
| 10:34.25 | themill | Blackvel: if you can't even log in to the system like that, I'd go for a fresh install and a snapshot of the old system, reinstall the package list and move over your configs |
| 10:35.24 | HakanBey_ | hmm so that i can not use debian wwireless , i am using windows wireless that my second OS on my computer. if you can wait for a minute i can look and i return |
| 10:35.27 | lindi- | starenka: good question. if Xorg.0.log has something like "Manufacturer: SNY Model: 1390 Serial#:" then the monitor definitely was powered up when you booted |
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| 10:36.02 | starenka | lindi-: smart :) |
| 10:36.25 | jpinx-eeepc | is there a tool to get a complete website from it's opening page, that will chase down the links and save them also? |
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| 10:36.38 | sentor | hi |
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| 10:37.59 | BiGViC | I love you guys Debian is raw! :) why do they say is not for newbies I install easily and everything is just working perfect :) |
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| 10:38.27 | purpur | jpinx-eeepc, wget should do this. You have to specify the depth with another parameter i cant remember :) |
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| 10:38.44 | jpinx-eeepc | purpur: yea - reading that atm - thanks |
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| 10:38.51 | starenka | lindi-: hmm, Xorg.0.log contains only the last boot, right? |
| 10:39.03 | lindi- | starenka: yes |
| 10:39.13 | starenka | bazinga. ty |
| 10:39.23 | sentor | are there recommondation for an os independent interface to manage kvm based installations ? |
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| 10:42.52 | BiGViC | wow debian is godlike :) |
| 10:43.05 | EmleyMoor | BiGViC: Impressing you? |
| 10:43.20 | BiGViC | yes!!! I'm like a little kid :) |
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| 10:45.38 | jpinx-eeepc | purpur: fwiw wget -rk is good - goes 5 levels down by default |
| 10:45.45 | Blackvel | themill: for snapshot of old system: a backup.tar.gz is enough? how could a hoster create a snapshot of the complete image? |
| 10:45.58 | rosco | Is it correct that nscd on debian hides the seconday groups of a user ? If I stop nscd, an "id rosco" will show all my groups again. Is it normal ? Can I change this so every group is shown with nscd ? (it the case with RH) |
| 10:46.08 | purpur | jpinx-eeepc, ah thanks |
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| 10:46.34 | BiGViC | I install Ubuntu first and found a major bug and it left a really sour taste in my mouth about Linux but I didn't want to judge Linux only on one Distro so I read about stable Distros and Debian came up I love google :) I just wanted a stable system and Debian is just working straight out of the "box" I don't know what they say it wasn't for newbs it working perfect ;) |
| 10:46.35 | themill | Blackvel: since you're only going to extract a few config files to a temporary location from the old machine, yes, a tar.gz should be sufficient |
| 10:46.41 | jelly-home | rosco: no idea, but I've never seen nscd work well whne it was really needed |
| 10:46.57 | jelly-home | rosco: that's probably why there are at least two alternative implementations |
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| 10:47.19 | rosco | jelly-home: true, every time something goes wrong, I start by stopping nscd. |
| 10:47.26 | Blackvel | themill: and e.g for a binary copy of the complete zarafa server installs? :) |
| 10:47.44 | starenka | lindi-: heh, maybe it's more fool proof to just popup a dialog on the ntb if i want to halt the remote machine :D |
| 10:48.15 | jelly-home | rosco: gnscd is supposedly used by google (who wrote it) |
| 10:48.26 | Blackvel | there where so many cmds to launch after package install. but it seems i can not overcome a fresh package install (only copying all directories/binaries which would include individual settings in "some" files) |
| 10:48.32 | jelly-home | and unscd is small and supposedly less buggy |
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| 10:49.37 | themill | Blackvel: the reason you're doing a fresh installation is that you don't trust stuff on your old image... so copying it all across like that doesn't really seem to be a sensible solution, does it? |
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| 10:56.29 | ne7work | hello all i need some help |
| 10:56.30 | ne7work | :( |
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| 10:56.43 | jelly-home | !ask |
| 10:56.44 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 10:56.44 | ne7work | i have problem.. with netinst with PPPoE |
| 10:56.50 | dupondje | who is managing dpkg bot? something really needs to get added to the bot |
| 10:56.52 | ne7work | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/FAQ#Q.3AHowdoIinstallviaPPPoE.3F |
| 10:56.55 | ne7work | Q: How do I install via PPPoE? |
| 10:57.00 | ne7work | A: Debian Installer, starting with February 2007, supports installing a system via PPPoE and will configure the system accordingly. At the regular Debian Installer boot line just append modules=ppp-udeb. |
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| 10:57.12 | ne7work | where i need to write this installgui modules=ppp-udeb ? |
| 10:57.14 | jelly-home | dupondje: it's open to change by anyone |
| 10:57.29 | ne7work | where i need to write this installgui modules=ppp-udeb ? |
| 10:57.35 | ne7work | i don't know.. ? |
| 10:57.45 | starenka | can i halt the machine w/out adding the user to sudoers? i mean i can halt the machine via kde, so how can i do this via cli? (probably smthng different than halt) |
| 10:57.47 | jelly-home | ne7work: at the boot: prompt |
| 10:57.49 | dupondje | jelly-home: how? cause the lenny->squeeze upgrade really needs to mention to rerun grub-install. Else bootup is f00bar |
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| 10:58.03 | lindi- | starenka: figure out how you can do it with kde |
| 10:58.16 | themill | dupondje: it does? is there a bug about this? |
| 10:58.31 | starenka | lindi-: that's the problem, i dont know how to figure it :D |
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| 10:58.47 | ne7work | where is the boot promt? |
| 10:59.04 | starenka | lindi-: maybe dbus, right? |
| 10:59.07 | ne7work | jelly-home, i'm bulgarian |
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| 10:59.15 | ne7work | please help me man :( |
| 10:59.35 | jelly-home | ne7work: please keep calm. when the install cd boots, there should be a prompt at the bottom |
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| 11:00.11 | ne7work | jelly-home, i'm use netinst? |
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| 11:00.26 | ne7work | where at the bottom i have install, graphical install and advanced.. ? |
| 11:01.03 | jelly-home | ne7work: before that? I've no experience with current installer. |
| 11:01.39 | ne7work | jelly-home, ohh :( please when i give you screen can you help me? |
| 11:01.41 | jelly-home | ne7work: can you provide a screenshot? |
| 11:01.54 | ne7work | one second to install virtualbox on my ubuntu 9.10 :X |
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| 11:02.00 | lindi- | starenka: I have http://paste.debian.net/78351/ in /etc/dbus-1/system-local.conf so that I can use "sudo -u bin dbus-monitor --system" to sniff what's going on in d-bus. if somebody can tell me an easier way I'd like to hear it :) |
| 11:02.01 | wfq | hi guys |
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| 11:03.21 | dupondje | themill: it does, cause else you get syntax errors, because grub version in mbr isn't up-to-date |
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| 11:05.05 | wfq | I have installed xserver-xorg-intel but I cannot yet see the module loaded through lsmod. When I change my xorg.conf file to Driver "intel" my screen get bleached |
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| 11:05.46 | sepult | then it is the wrong driver |
| 11:06.00 | jelly-home | wfq: lsmod is for kernel drivers. xorg drivers are user-space and can't be seen there. your /var/log/Xorg.0.log will show what happened when X started |
| 11:06.01 | ne7work | jelly-home, http://www.centerzone.it/images/stories2/deb5netins.jpg |
| 11:06.07 | ne7work | this is screenshot on debian 5.04 netinst |
| 11:06.17 | sepult | or you did forget to tell it the BusID ? |
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| 11:06.44 | sepult | do you hae an internal gfx ? |
| 11:07.09 | dupondje | themill: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=558748 |
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| 11:07.12 | sepult | or even more then 1 gf card ? |
| 11:07.17 | wfq | jelly-home, thanks |
| 11:07.46 | jelly-home | ne7work: choose whichever you like and press TAB to edit the |
| 11:08.11 | jelly-home | ne7work: line and add that "modules=ppp-udeb" at the end of the line |
| 11:08.43 | ne7work | only modules=ppp-udeb without installgui? |
| 11:09.05 | jelly-home | there will be something already written when you press TAB |
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| 11:09.13 | jelly-home | add that text at the end |
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| 11:09.24 | jpinx-eeepc | why would wget -r <url> not descend the links tree? |
| 11:09.28 | ne7work | jelly-home, thanks man :) |
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| 11:10.27 | jelly-home | jpinx-eeepc: are there really <a href=...> links or are they generated with javascript? |
| 11:10.47 | jelly-home | jpinx-eeepc: also, do they point to the same site or some other host? |
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| 11:11.45 | BiGViC | hmm I'm new to linux in general I was recommended Irssi as a irc client is that the one most people use I found it great but if there's better I would like to try it out too :) |
| 11:11.53 | jpinx-eeepc | tried wget -l 5 and wget -r-l 5 |
| 11:12.24 | jelly-home | BiGViC: that's probably the best for the terminal. |
| 11:12.32 | jpinx-eeepc | jelly-home: they are real links and point to pages in the same domain |
| 11:12.40 | dupondje | jelly-home: where do I edit the dpkg info ? cause it would be nice to add it :) |
| 11:12.46 | jelly-home | jpinx-eeepc: domain or fqdn? |
| 11:12.48 | abrotman | BiGViC: pretty much irssi for the console and xchat for GUI |
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| 11:13.29 | BiGViC | jelly-home: yeah I found it to be almost and lightweight too it was WAY different than anything I tried before I come from a windows background but I liked it right away :) |
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| 11:13.51 | BiGViC | going to go ahead and install it then :) |
| 11:13.54 | jelly-home | BiGViC: personally I find xchat nice |
| 11:13.56 | jpinx-eeepc | jelly-home: example -- http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashGuide contains a link thus http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BASH |
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| 11:14.44 | jpinx-eeepc | which is coded <a href="/BASH">BASH</a> |
| 11:15.25 | jelly-home | jpinx-eeepc: that ought to work |
| 11:15.39 | jpinx-eeepc | that's why I am askin ;) |
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| 11:15.50 | jelly-home | jpinx-eeepc: robots.txt might be in place |
| 11:15.56 | jelly-home | !robots.txt |
| 11:16.06 | jelly-home | %robots.txt |
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| 11:16.41 | jelly-home | jpinx-eeepc: http://www.robotstxt.org/ |
| 11:16.49 | jpinx-eeepc | ok |
| 11:17.19 | jelly-home | it stops automated scripts from crawling dynamically generated pages |
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| 11:17.31 | BiGViC | jelly-home: yeah I was thinking of trying out xchat might as well give it a go :) I still have this bad mentality of installing applications and all seeing as in windows they leave registry keys behind and all that making the system slower overtime, although ccleaner is great :) I heard in Linux is not like that though. |
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| 11:18.01 | jpinx-eeepc | jelly-home: I saw some things in man wget that look like they have been written to get around that |
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| 11:18.18 | jpinx-eeepc | does more rtfm |
| 11:18.25 | jelly-home | BiGViC: there's less cruft, especially if you use aptitude in debian, but there cruft nevertheless |
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| 11:19.00 | jelly-home | jpinx-eeepc: or ask greycat for the sources or a snapshot of his wiki when he's online |
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| 11:19.59 | jpinx-eeepc | jelly-home: yea - that would be quicker |
| 11:20.03 | jelly-home | apt: test |
| 11:20.11 | apt | Failed! |
| 11:20.11 | otswim | hello, someone wants to install debian on amd64; does he have to download and burn these 5 DVD's? http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.4/amd64/iso-dvd/ |
| 11:20.39 | petemc | otswim: you can install from a 150 meg netinstall iso |
| 11:20.57 | BiGViC | jelly-home: oh ok I see :) thanks for the info |
| 11:20.58 | miguel000 | hello I have a Hauppauge WinTV PVR-150, but the /dev/video0 does only provide me with the videostream, and audio is not there :( |
| 11:21.12 | miguel000 | any reason what the reason might be? It used to work in the past somehow |
| 11:21.29 | miguel000 | any idea |
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| 11:21.55 | jelly-home | miguel000: try asking in a linux-video / dvb specific channel |
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| 11:23.01 | miguel000 | there is not such a channel on freenode |
| 11:23.56 | otswim | petemc: what if he only has wifi and can't rely on internet for the installation? would he have to download the 5DVD's or just the first one? |
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| 11:24.11 | petemc | otswim: just the first one should do |
| 11:24.45 | otswim | petemc: so what's in the other DVD's? kubuntu is only on one DVD iirc |
| 11:24.59 | petemc | otswim: packages |
| 11:25.01 | abrotman | alcy: you cannot speak in this channel as root, you shouldn't irc as root |
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| 11:25.48 | jelly-home | miguel000: uhh... #linuxtv? #v4l? |
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| 11:26.58 | miguel000 | ah allright, thx jelly-home |
| 11:27.09 | jelly-home | np, cheers |
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| 11:27.31 | jelly-home | settting up tv cards on linux can be a real PITA |
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| 11:28.17 | jpinx-eeepc | jelly-home: wget -kpr worked perfectly on robotstxt.org ;) |
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| 11:28.55 | jelly-home | jpinx-eeepc: if dpkg was here it'd spank you right now |
| 11:28.57 | jpinx-eeepc | will be trying a usb tv adaptor when he gets one |
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| 11:29.26 | jpinx-eeepc | offers himself to anyone else who's feeling brave |
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| 11:33.51 | wfq | I am trying to reach this screen (http://tuxicity.wordpress.com/2006/12/02/configure-your-resolution-in-ubuntu-and-debian/) through my dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, but all the system asks me is about my keyboard. I am using debian lenny, kernel 2.6.32 |
| 11:34.10 | abrotman | that is horribly out of date |
| 11:34.41 | wfq | I am out of date :)... More than 2 years I don run a debian on my system but it is the problem I am facing |
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| 11:35.28 | abrotman | what's wrong with the resolution that X is giving you now? |
| 11:35.46 | wfq | it is always 800x600 |
| 11:35.50 | jelly-home | wfq: xrandr is the basic tool to use to change resolution |
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| 11:36.07 | wfq | isn't dpkg-reconfigure anymore? |
| 11:36.07 | jelly-home | wfq: try running just "xrandr" and pastebin the output |
| 11:36.40 | abrotman | wfq: do you have an nvidia or ati card that might require binary/non-free drivers? |
| 11:36.53 | jelly-home | wfq: no, package scripts had an overhaul before lenny |
| 11:36.57 | alcy | any puppet users on debian-based servers around here ? I am trying to get the preseed mehcanism work with puppet, but am unable to understand the script I am using from Puppet's wiki...specifically, the script on this page: http://projetcs.puppetlabs.com/projects/puppet/wiki/Debian_Preseed_Patterns....more specifically the line "puppet:/// ..." |
| 11:37.26 | alcy | sorry that's http://projects<rest of the url> |
| 11:37.33 | the-dude | alcy: whats your question? |
| 11:37.43 | wfq | jelly-home this is the pastebin http://pastebin.com/bd9tVAc7 |
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| 11:37.55 | wfq | abrotma, no mine is a intel 4500mhd |
| 11:38.01 | wfq | *abrotman |
| 11:38.08 | alcy | the-dude: unable to understand the script, to an extent |
| 11:38.08 | maks__ | elo |
| 11:38.11 | maks__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:38.20 | jelly-home | wfq: Ah. Your intel card is too new for lenny. |
| 11:38.39 | wfq | I don't know why I was so afraid of it |
| 11:38.41 | maks__ | im problem error: "Linking against boost::thread library failed." |
| 11:38.51 | jelly-home | more precisely, the driver in lenny doesn't detect your monitor's available video modes well |
| 11:39.12 | jelly-home | wfq: lspci -nn | grep VGA? |
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| 11:39.49 | wfq | jelly-home, it displays nothing |
| 11:40.00 | BiGViC | hmm I'm guessing most people use debian as a server? |
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| 11:40.24 | abrotman | you'd be wrong |
| 11:40.29 | EmleyMoor | I use it both for desktop and server |
| 11:40.33 | themill | dupondje: I'm unable to reproduce your problem here. Can you tell me exactly how to reproduce it so that I write the appropriate instructions? |
| 11:40.43 | jelly-home | wfq: hmph, can you figure out the pci-id of the video card |
| 11:41.05 | abrotman | might want 'grep -i vga' in case he's not using upper case? |
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| 11:41.54 | jelly-home | abrotman: why, are you implying the user didn't type in EXACTLY what I asked? |
| 11:41.55 | maks__ | im problem uinstall libost http://wklej.to/pQ6F ;/ |
| 11:42.30 | BiGViC | oh ok not just reading trying to find like a basic guide for Debian and most are about setting up servers but its working great for me as a desktop only :) |
| 11:42.47 | wfq | jelly-home. abrotman http://pastebin.com/77ExH27B |
| 11:43.03 | jelly-home | abrotman: how do you konw he'd be wrong, are there statistics? |
| 11:43.50 | BiGViC | jelly-home: good point :) |
| 11:44.05 | maks__ | help im problem uinstall libost http://wklej.to/pQ6F ;/ |
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| 11:45.41 | maks__ | help im problem uinstall libost http://wklej.to/pQ6F ;/ |
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| 11:45.56 | jelly-home | maks__: please don't repeat, we heard you |
| 11:46.12 | simplechat | random question, any reason why lighttpd wouldn't autostart on boot? |
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| 11:46.51 | Digit | hi all |
| 11:47.07 | Blackvel | question: can a debian (lenny) vserver system work without /vmlinuz and /initrd links? |
| 11:47.09 | dupondje | themill: I had a server with lenny, upgraded to squeeze. Upgrade was fine, but after grub update I was unable to boot it again. Just running grub-install /dev/sda and it worked |
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| 11:47.47 | jelly-home | maks__: if no one answers, it merely means noone awake at present has a clue. Wait a bit, try in a couple hours or ask the mailing list debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 11:48.06 | Blackvel | hoster told me, that "their" vserver do not have a linux kernel |
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| 11:49.02 | themill | dupondje: precisely which grub package(s) did you have installed originally? |
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| 11:49.13 | abrotman | jelly-home: just a hunch? :) |
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| 11:49.28 | Blackvel | this explanation is "very" weird to me. i expect that each vserver boots at least its "standard" linux kernel? |
| 11:49.35 | wfq | jelly-home, so do you think If I upgrade to squeeze I may solve the problem? |
| 11:50.06 | abrotman | wfq: i think i have a pretty similar chipset in a laptop, works fine on squeeze |
| 11:50.19 | jpinx-eeepc | Blackvel: it probably has a special kernel for the host |
| 11:50.23 | abrotman | simplechat: it has logs? |
| 11:50.33 | wfq | abrotman, thanks. I shall try |
| 11:50.43 | wfq | I have nothing to lose |
| 11:51.06 | abrotman | wfq: sanity |
| 11:51.39 | Blackvel | jpinx-eeepc: so the vserver can boot up with no /vmlinuz symb links? |
| 11:52.14 | wfq | abrotman, I lost it long time ago, so it is not a problem at present :) |
| 11:52.15 | jpinx-eeepc | Blackvel: I believe some virtualisations share the host kernel - so yes |
| 11:52.22 | wfq | thanks guys for your advices |
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| 11:52.53 | ne7work | hello all how can I install pppoeconf without internet? |
| 11:53.06 | ne7work | i install my debian 5.04 with pppoe connection from netinst |
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| 11:53.16 | ne7work | before 5 minutes and now i can't run pppoeconf? |
| 11:53.29 | ne7work | how can i install pppoeconf from my netinst cd? |
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| 11:55.38 | ne7work | how can i install pppoeconf from my netinst cd? |
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| 11:57.38 | jelly-home | wfq: yes, but you'll gain all the other squeeze problems |
| 11:58.01 | streuner | ne7: well, you are already in internet... |
| 11:58.07 | streuner | gone, hm |
| 11:58.35 | wfq | well I cannot work with this resolution, it seems I got back to 80's |
| 12:00.12 | jelly-home | wfq: there's a truly horrendous solution getting xserver-xorg-video-intel packages from a sid/experimental snapshot from late 2008 that roughly match lenny's xorg but have somewhat newer xserver-xorg-video-intel |
| 12:01.22 | jelly-home | wfq: best to forget I mentioned that and try current testing |
| 12:01.56 | abrotman | wfq: that's not true .. if were the 80s you'd have 256 colors and be happy about it |
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| 12:02.43 | abrotman | and 640x480 .. and that was at the end of the 80s! |
| 12:02.58 | wfq | of course, but we are in 2010 :)... |
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| 12:04.06 | wfq | when I finish with the graphic problems, then I will have to face the sound (hope I dont need sid) |
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| 12:04.47 | wfq | how much I missed Debian!!. |
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| 12:08.40 | saintiss | hi all |
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| 12:09.07 | saintiss | when using a debian live image to boot from a USB stick (on which I installed grub), the boot process of that image gets into an endless loop where it keeps mounting filesystems |
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| 12:09.23 | saintiss | what could be causing this? maybe the system trying to mount the USB stick itself infinitely? |
| 12:09.45 | saintiss | my approach works with ubuntu live cd's, but no debian live cd works, stable or testing |
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| 12:10.29 | lindi- | saintiss: hmm, you can just get debian live usbimages? |
| 12:10.56 | saintiss | lindi-, the thing is that with the grub approach I can have multiple images on one stick |
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| 12:11.36 | saintiss | is there a kernel option maybe that would tell debian not to mount a certain filesystem? |
| 12:11.39 | ne7work | hello all please someone tell me how to add my netinst cd in sources.list? |
| 12:12.13 | wfq | saintiss, are you sure that you are providing a iso file as well? |
| 12:12.36 | saintiss | wfq, yes, bc it's booting it... it's half way the booting process before it gets in the endless loop |
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| 12:13.06 | ne7work | hello all please someone tell me how to add my netinst cd in sources.list? :( |
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| 12:14.31 | wfq | saintiss, don't know then. I just did that two days ago and everything went ok but I make sure that boot.img and debian.iso were the same version |
| 12:14.47 | saintiss | wfq, I take it you use syslinux? |
| 12:14.56 | dupondje | themill: latest in lenny 1-96 I think |
| 12:15.01 | wfq | ne7work, I had something like this deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 5.0.4 _Lenny_ - Official i386 CD Binary-1 20100131-18:53]/ lenny main |
| 12:15.03 | saintiss | bc I don't, I use grub instead, so something may be going wrong there, but it works for ubuntu |
| 12:15.58 | ne7work | wfq i have netinst x64 5.04 ? |
| 12:16.24 | ne7work | can you help me what i need to type right? |
| 12:17.24 | Kensan | tarzeau: ok, in that case I will try to contact somebody from the admin staff that is not out of the country ;) |
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| 12:22.18 | abrotman | BiGViC: you cannot IRC in this channel as root |
| 12:22.42 | abrotman | apt: remember when you used to squawk and tell people that they were IRCing as root? |
| 12:22.43 | apt | How can i forget about when you used to squawk and tell people that they were IRCing as root ? That person is the greatest <fill in whatever is appropriate> in the whole wide world ! |
| 12:23.21 | ne7work | abrotman how can i add my cd in sources.list |
| 12:23.26 | abrotman | apt-cdrom |
| 12:23.32 | ne7work | wtf? |
| 12:23.47 | ne7work | how to install from my cd-rom pppoeconf |
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| 12:23.59 | BiGViC | I didn't realize I was still in the root terminal.. :S |
| 12:24.09 | ne7work | abrotman please help me man :( |
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| 12:24.16 | abrotman | huh ? |
| 12:24.21 | abrotman | your CD? pppoeconf? |
| 12:24.36 | abrotman | oh, use apt-cdrom to scan your CD, then aptitude install pppoeconf .. it will ask you to insert the CD |
| 12:25.13 | ne7work | abrotman apt-cdrom or apt-cdrom add |
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| 12:25.24 | abrotman | either one |
| 12:25.26 | abrotman | dpkg: wb! |
| 12:25.26 | dpkg | thanks, abrotman. It's good to be back. |
| 12:25.36 | ne7work | abrotman? |
| 12:26.28 | abrotman | ne7work: if you just call `apt-cdrom` it will be interactive |
| 12:26.39 | ne7work | if i call apt-cdrom add ? |
| 12:26.39 | fruitwerks | I'm running rsync -a and I had to dc & resume, but it started over, any ideas? |
| 12:27.08 | jelly-home | dc? |
| 12:27.09 | abrotman | sussudio: can you get the stats thing to ignore the 'judd' bot? |
| 12:27.16 | fruitwerks | disconnect |
| 12:27.16 | abrotman | disconnect |
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| 12:28.04 | jelly-home | fruitwerks: it's starting over with traversing the trees, sure, but it won't transfer the files anew |
| 12:28.53 | fruitwerks | oh I guess not... hmm but there is a file that is 4gb - and it is hung on it like it is a new file, but it is static |
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| 12:29.07 | abrotman | fruitwerks: it's probably doing a comparison at some level |
| 12:29.46 | jelly-home | fruitwerks: which filesystem types are used at source and destination? |
| 12:30.05 | fruitwerks | hope so lol... I better ask this guy if it is static and not some hidden db or a cache. | ext3 or ext2 / ext3 |
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| 12:30.50 | jelly-home | ok, so no vfat stuff or something that doesn't have real permissions or timestamps precise enough |
| 12:31.53 | jelly-home | dpkg: test |
| 12:31.53 | dpkg | Test failed. |
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| 12:32.37 | fruitwerks | ok... thanks |
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| 12:42.02 | BiGViC | I officially love Debian :) |
| 12:43.16 | MeglaW | we all do. :) |
| 12:43.32 | jelly-home | speak for yourself! |
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| 12:43.57 | BiGViC | I'm just so surprise is very user friendly and it just "works" |
| 12:45.33 | BiGViC | reading and researching sites made it seem like Debian was hard and new users should use Ubuntu. I highly disagree as I have a system now that works and is rock solid :) |
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| 12:47.18 | jelly-home | BiGViC: it could have just as easily been the other way around. The fact that your hardware works or not out of the box doesn't really mean much in the long run |
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| 12:47.33 | dv- | Well Ubuntu is very similar to Debian |
| 12:48.05 | idimmu | one starts with a U the other starts with a D though |
| 12:48.17 | idimmu | opposite ends of the alphabet i think youll find |
| 12:48.23 | BiGViC | jelly-home: is not that it worked out of the box because so did Ubuntu but I encounter system breaking bugs. I like Debian design philosophy to give stable releases and not use the latest and "greatest" without testing it |
| 12:48.28 | abrotman | and it's offtopic here ... |
| 12:49.02 | jelly-home | it's not like there have been any tech. questions in the last 20 minutes |
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| 12:50.55 | abrotman | that doesn't make a discussion about ubuntu a valid topic |
| 12:51.11 | BiGViC | well if it's offtopic my bad just excited about Debian and Linux in general as I'm still new to it. So this channel is only for tech questions? |
| 12:51.13 | ix | Anyone know of a way to extract network address (not the IP, but the actual network address based on IP and netmask) from the command line? |
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| 12:52.26 | abrotman | BiGViC: the channel is for Debian support, i was saying that discussions about ubuntu are not on-topic |
| 12:52.40 | BiGViC | k got that |
| 12:52.51 | abrotman | ix: did you look at 'ip' ? |
| 12:53.19 | ix | abrotman: aah, of course |
| 12:53.32 | abrotman | of course you have? or you haven't looked yet? |
| 12:53.54 | ix | "of course I don't /need/ to use ifconfig" :-p |
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| 12:54.03 | ix | *tries ip* |
| 12:55.02 | voltagex | dpkg etch->lenny |
| 12:55.02 | dpkg | Read the release notes, ask me about <lenny release notes>. Ensure your Etch installation is up to date, ask me about <etch sources.list> (aptitude update; aptitude dist-upgrade). Then ask me about <lenny sources.list>. aptitude update; aptitude install aptitude; aptitude safe-upgrade; aptitude full-upgrade. Also ask me about <apt-listbugs>, <etch->lenny key>. |
| 12:55.09 | abrotman | i don't know that it does what you're looking for, but it's something to look at |
| 12:55.13 | abrotman | voltagex: /msg dpkg foo |
| 12:55.41 | BiGViC | if you don't have a gui how does programs that use one work do you still get a window for it like for example your web browser?, maybe I should just try it someday |
| 12:55.55 | voltagex | abrotman: yeah, copied and pasted, missed the /msg. Apologies |
| 12:56.18 | abrotman | BiGViC: if there isn't a valid display to show it, it will tell you |
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| 12:57.43 | BiGViC | so in other words you need a gui like gnome to open programs like for example firefox. Newbish question I know but I was wondering how some people run Linux only in the terminal |
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| 12:57.55 | abrotman | not exactly, there are other ways |
| 12:58.09 | abrotman | for instance, you can run apps over ssh to your local display |
| 12:59.22 | BiGViC | ahh I see interesting |
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| 13:01.42 | jelly-home | hpmh, why does etch->lenny state to first do a safe-upgrade before full-upgrade |
| 13:02.27 | mguy | BiGViC: They have text web browsers |
| 13:02.32 | jelly-home | BiGViC: one can run any application via the shell |
| 13:04.03 | BiGViC | mguy: text web browsers sounds pretty badass |
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| 13:04.45 | BiGViC | jelly-home: oh ok so really the gui is not needed just for convience pretty cool |
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| 13:06.53 | mdeferran | grettings, I dont remember the way to disable a service start-up on installation. |
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| 13:08.45 | dv- | BiGViC: you need the X server to run (gtk, qt, etc) graphical applications, but you don't need gnome |
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| 13:10.25 | lindi- | BiGViC: text web browsers are somewhat handy. mostly because they are optimized to work without mouse |
| 13:10.43 | jpinx-eeepc | BiGViC: look into lightweight desktops maybe - like lxde or xfce |
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| 13:11.20 | abrotman | jelly-home: that's the recommended way, though i can't recall why |
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| 13:15.14 | BiGViC | dv-: thanks learning Linux is awesome I'm excited about learning pc's again |
| 13:16.15 | dv- | BiGViC: try http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/index.en.html |
| 13:16.35 | BiGViC | lindi-: yeah that's what I was thinking if you just want to read an article, a text based browser seems like the perfect deal |
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| 13:17.33 | BiGViC | dv-: oh wow that was in the main site and I didn't even notice! thanks for the link :) |
| 13:17.49 | djura-san | o/ |
| 13:19.07 | dv- | BiGViC: granted, it's not the friendliest documentation ever |
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| 13:20.43 | BiGViC | dv-: well at least is something and it seems to go in depth so that's good. Maybe I will have to reread some parts but seems like I can get a lot out of it thanks |
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| 13:30.41 | Almad | On my build machine, when building package, I was having problems with fakeroot (running out of limits), so I switched to fakeroot-tcp, but now (after a few months), I'm getting 'connection refused'. Any idea how to debug/solve? |
| 13:30.56 | Almad | (Lenny) |
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| 13:37.03 | dashs | How do I know if I am using a BigMem kernel or not (duh)? |
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| 13:38.09 | OpenTokix | dashs: do a uname -r |
| 13:38.13 | thomas___ | uname -r dashs i think |
| 13:38.27 | OpenTokix | dashs: if you are using a package-kernel, it will be named bigmem, or pae |
| 13:38.29 | thomas___ | \o/ |
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| 13:39.58 | dashs | thanks -- says not (2gb system) |
| 13:40.29 | broy-work | thats not really bigmem |
| 13:40.44 | fiacha | Hi... i want to clone a debian server (got almost the same hardware, almost=missing a card, otherwise exactly the same). What would be the best way to do this? I would just use th netinstall to setup a minimal system and then just rsync /... any problems with that? |
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| 13:42.25 | bleeber | fiacha: throw the drive fromt eh other system in with the main and dd the drivew |
| 13:42.29 | greenmang0 | fiacha: or you can try remastering |
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| 13:43.18 | jelly-home | fiacha: it ought to work, assuming you don't have database apps to get confused at files copied in a dirty way |
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| 13:44.01 | jelly-home | fiacha: if you can schedule downtime, you may even image the disks completely (with dd like bleeber suggests or some other way) |
| 13:44.05 | fiacha | bleeber: well it's actually a raid on both systems.. can i use dd over network? |
| 13:44.14 | fiacha | greenmang0: googleing now :) |
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| 13:44.37 | fiacha | jelly-home: i do but i know where and i will sync them seperately |
| 13:45.01 | bleeber | fiacha: hardware or software raid? |
| 13:45.02 | jelly-home | fiacha: rsync will have some additional value in that it's going to defragment your filesystems "for free" |
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| 13:45.14 | fiacha | jelly-home: i mean i need to chnage settings anyhow and db will be cleaned |
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| 13:45.33 | fiacha | bleeber: hardware (lsi perc 6i or so) |
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| 13:46.10 | jelly-home | fiacha: we routinely migrate systems that way. First an initial rsync, then schedule downtime, shut down all writers, rsync for the second time and voila |
| 13:46.12 | bleeber | fiacha: then it shouldnt matter. Debian doesnt know about it with regards to the filesystem. |
| 13:46.28 | jelly-home | fiacha: you'll stumble into udev/network card issue |
| 13:46.33 | jelly-home | !70 |
| 13:46.33 | dpkg | udev has the ability to statically rename Ethernet cards based on MAC address since version 0.090. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules (Lenny, Squeeze) or /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules (Etch). If you want the mappings to change, edit the respective file. To apply changes: "udevadm trigger" ("udevtrigger" on Etch) or reload the relevant driver module. See also <forcedeth mac>, <udev>. |
| 13:47.01 | bleeber | fiacha: you could just clone the drive with dd. how much data are we talking about. |
| 13:47.21 | fiacha | jelly-home: thanks.. i guess i will try rsync first and see how it goes :) |
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| 13:48.11 | jelly-home | fiacha: be careful about ip addresses, that udev thing, remember to reinstall the boot loader, all the usual stuff |
| 13:48.21 | fiacha | bleeber: well the problem is it a 8drive raid each time and i would need to try to hook it up to the main server.. and then i would have to shut it down etc.. i think rsync should be good enough |
| 13:48.24 | jelly-home | !hostname |
| 13:48.24 | dpkg | Use "hostname foo" to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot (create /etc/hostname if it doesn't exist) and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set up local translations for a FQDN. See also 'man 1 hostname', /etc/mailname. http://wiki.debian.org/HowTo/ChangeHostname |
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| 13:49.06 | fiacha | jelly-home: thank you, that was what i was looking for (problems when just coping all configs ect.. what nees to be reset and so on) |
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| 13:50.08 | jelly-home | fiacha: we don't know what you're running, so there will probably be other stuff to fix (grep -R hostnamehere /etc ...) |
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| 13:51.25 | Dumble | Hello everyone |
| 13:51.29 | fiacha | jelly-home: yea i know, all the other stuff is in opt and i think i know where to look so i hope it will work :) |
| 13:52.00 | jelly-home | fiacha: also grep -R old-ip-address over stuff, possibly |
| 13:53.03 | Dumble | I'm searching a way to build a Lenny package for Qt 4.6, but I can't find any doc on how to do that. Does such a documentation exists ? I tried to uses apt-src with squeeze source repos, but the amount of dependencies to deal with is too huge :s |
| 13:53.11 | fiacha | jelly-home: will do, thanks! I mean i am not so much worried about the actual services (mysql,httpd,etc) and more about the main os in regards to configs, like the hostname and especially the mac persitance etc |
| 13:54.05 | jelly-home | fiacha: those two bits are the main thing to worry about. Network configuration is in /etc/network/interfaces but you already know that |
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| 13:56.23 | fiacha | jelly-home: yea i am inexprienced so thanks for the help! :) |
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| 13:57.08 | jelly-home | dunno, perhaps with debian, but you sound knowledgeable enough |
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| 13:57.19 | fiacha | jelly-home: when setting up a hardware raid and debian on it, do i need to watch out for (cluster?) alignment or such? |
| 13:57.22 | jelly-home | $DEITY knows we get all kind of users here |
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| 13:57.44 | fiacha | :)) |
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| 13:58.05 | bleeber | rofl @ $DEITY |
| 13:58.07 | jelly-home | fiacha: eh, not with ext3. xfs like to know about those things but I have very no experience there |
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| 13:59.08 | fiacha | jelly-home: ok nm. Thank you very much for the help! |
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| 14:01.11 | dashs | vmware install: I put in the kernel hdrs which added gcc-4.1 base -- how to I get vmmon compile to use it? |
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| 14:03.06 | jelly-home | fiacha: in any case battery-backed cache will even it out |
| 14:03.19 | hanibanaa | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:04.07 | fiacha | jelly-home: yea i hope so.. well i read somewhere that if the clusters are not aligned (overlaps) it would have read write 4x as much or something like :( |
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| 14:05.33 | fiacha | jelly-home: uh sorry that was in regard to windows not debian... but i was wondering if something like might apply as well |
| 14:06.05 | jelly-home | fiacha: TBH we don't worry about that at all on our HP Proliants and happily set up partitions with offset of 63 sectors from the beginning of the disc |
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| 14:06.57 | jelly-home | fiacha: yeah, it might be relevant, but I never notices let alone benchmarked it ;-) |
| 14:07.03 | jelly-home | noticed* |
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| 14:08.58 | fiacha | jelly-home: well since i am just setting up the other server i could play around with it a bit.. that 63 sector offset was what cause problems in windows. < vista/7.. they now use 2048 offsets and that supposedly fixes problems.. how would i even do this for the debian install? |
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| 14:09.57 | dashs | nvrmind -- sorry |
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| 14:10.19 | jelly-home | fiacha: you'd create the first partition using fdisk's advanced screen or sfdisk or something |
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| 14:11.16 | fiacha | jelly-home: Yes i will google that (also the secotr ofsets since i have no idea what i am talking about ;-) |
| 14:11.24 | fiacha | jelly-home: Thanks! |
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| 14:18.14 | remoteCTRL | hi guys! i know its off topic but i need a scan/copy/print combo that is debian compatible, can you recommend me something, pls? |
| 14:18.48 | abrotman | remoteCTRL: you'll probably have a better chance asking google |
| 14:19.11 | Spec | So, I see rsyslog is now default logger for debian. Is it recommended to use RELP for network syslogging in Debian? |
| 14:19.21 | remoteCTRL | abrotman: i was afraid you'd say that... my eyes are bleeding already:D |
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| 14:22.19 | onur | Hi. Can I hide all messages when booting debian? |
| 14:22.21 | karlpinc | remoteCTRL: linuxprinting.org? |
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| 14:22.42 | Spec | hrmm, seems like RELP is only available to squeeze/sid and/or backports. |
| 14:23.12 | remoteCTRL | karlpinc: nice one, thanks dude! |
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| 14:24.41 | abrotman | onur: if you can get one of the bootsplash things working, sure |
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| 14:26.44 | darkschneider | hello, which is the way to say debian to use python 2.5 instead of 2.6 so i can test if it's that breaking mercurial? |
| 14:28.28 | os_admin | hello, i have this problem when i try connect to my mailbox with my script php, for information i use postfix mysql, (authdaemond: authmysql: REJECT - try next module, authdaemond: FAIL, all modules rejected,pop3d: LOGIN FAILED, method=CRAM-MD5, ip=[::ffff:x.x.x.x, authdaemond: received auth request, service=pop3, authtype=cram-md5]) |
| 14:28.50 | os_admin | have you any idea how can resolve this pb |
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| 14:30.03 | abrotman | i'd think you'd want to ask ##php ? |
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| 14:30.35 | jelly-home | Spec: rsyslog is probably not that hard to backport if you really want the feature |
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| 14:30.53 | jordanm | darkschneider: #!/usr/bin/python2.5 |
| 14:30.55 | jelly-home | ,versions rsyslog |
| 14:30.58 | judd | rsyslog -- etch-backports: 3.18.6-4~bpo40+1; lenny: 3.18.6-4; lenny-backports: 4.4.2-1~bpo50+1; sid: 4.6.2-1; squeeze: 4.6.2-1 |
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| 14:31.40 | darkschneider | jordanm: needed that system wide. anyway looks like the fix come out at 15:58 :) |
| 14:31.43 | Spec | jelly-home: it's weird that the documentation provided with the package refers to the RELP output modules, but they aren't available. |
| 14:32.02 | Spec | Also; apt-file by default doesn't work if you have security patches enabled, because: http://security.debian.org/dists/lenny/updates/Contents-i386.gz doesn't exist. |
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| 14:32.04 | darkschneider | jordanm: thanks meanwhile :) |
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| 14:32.28 | jordanm | Spec: that is a warning, and it does still work |
| 14:33.00 | Spec | jordanm: Cool. not intuitive ;) |
| 14:33.04 | jordanm | the security repo does not provide a Contents- file, but it is not needed |
| 14:33.18 | Spec | jordanm: Yeap. it does indeed return a success exit code |
| 14:33.49 | Spec | I'm not sure if I require RELP or not, but it is interesting that the documentation provided with the package refers to it in multiple places, but the output/input modules don't exist, and can't exist. |
| 14:34.03 | Spec | (unless you backport an entire new version.) |
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| 14:34.54 | jordanm | Spec: I see imrelp.so and omrelp.so |
| 14:35.30 | Spec | jordanm: Where? |
| 14:35.35 | Spec | jordanm: In lenny? |
| 14:36.02 | jordanm | Spec: rsyslog-relp in lenny-backports |
| 14:36.27 | Spec | Right, in backports. from squeeze. |
| 14:36.28 | jelly-home | sneaky! |
| 14:36.45 | jordanm | but already prepared for lenny usage... |
| 14:36.52 | Spec | So, from lenny, I get "imrelp.html", "omrelp.html", and various relp docs...but no way to get it without backports. |
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| 14:37.27 | jelly-home | Spec: that happens often; a certain build configuration is used but the docs are left unchanged |
| 14:37.57 | Spec | But why leave out RELP? That's like, the only attractive thing about rsyslogd, other than the licensing issue with syslog-ng. |
| 14:38.03 | jelly-home | Spec: README.Debian would ideally mention something; even more ideally the docs would disappear or be updated, but... yeah |
| 14:38.22 | jelly-home | what's the licensing issue with syslog-ng? |
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| 14:38.48 | Spec | it's dual licensed |
| 14:38.57 | Spec | the "premium" edition isn't GPL, it's closed source |
| 14:39.00 | jelly-home | we've been using it at work for quite a while |
| 14:39.07 | Spec | and the gpl open source syslog-ng doesn't support TLS/SSL |
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| 14:41.14 | jelly-home | ,depends syslog-ng --release sid |
| 14:41.16 | judd | syslog-ng -- depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6~), libdbi0, libevtlog0 (>= 0.2.3), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.24.0), libnet1 (>= 1.1.2.1), libpcre3 (>= 7.7), libssl0.9.8 (>= 0.9.8m-1), libwrap0 (>= 7.6-4~), zlib1g (>= 1:1.1.4), lsb-base (>= 3.0-6). |
| 14:41.31 | jelly-home | it seems to be linked with ssl for some reason |
| 14:43.24 | jelly-home | a recent addition. * Update debian/copyright and add OpenSSL exception. # May 23 |
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| 14:43.47 | Spec | Does debian add native ssl support to syslog-ng? :p |
| 14:43.55 | Spec | usually syslog-ng + ssl = stunnel |
| 14:44.11 | jelly-home | Spec: it does now, apparently |
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| 14:45.15 | karlpinc | Someone sent me an excel file with a pgp public key imbedded inside. I'm supposed to click on a cell and have a macro do something to get it out. I can see a key in the file, sorta, using less. How can I get the key? |
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| 14:45.46 | karlpinc | Openoffice opens the spreadsheet, but has macros off and probably won't run vb macros anyway. |
| 14:46.05 | karlpinc | (And if it could I probably would not want to run them.) |
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| 14:46.32 | jpinx-eeepc | send it back to whoever sent it to you and tell them to do it right ? ;) |
| 14:46.44 | jelly-home | if you need the macros enable the bloody macros? |
| 14:46.46 | emorris | that sounds like an awful way of sending pgp keys |
| 14:46.54 | zealiod | im having trouble with a splashy boot image - i've changed the theme, but the old image still remains... does splashy have some kind of cache? |
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| 14:47.19 | karlpinc | jelly-home: I don't believe that OO will run native excel macros, will it? |
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| 14:47.29 | jelly-home | !TIAS |
| 14:47.29 | dpkg | TIAS is "Try It And See". |
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| 14:48.51 | jelly-home | karlpinc: I _think_ oo.o 3.x does most of that stuff, including VB for Applications |
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| 14:49.05 | karlpinc | Nope. does not work. Maybe 3.0.... |
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| 14:50.13 | karlpinc | Looks like 3.2 is in backports... |
| 14:51.34 | karlpinc | Maybe it will give me some way to find out where the key is hiding. |
| 14:52.01 | alcy | Folks, I am using a .preseed file for a package (slapd) to automate the configuration over a remote client using puppet: my question is that in case of packages which require one to set some passwords (for admin accounts), can that information be provided in the .preseed file as well ? If yes, is there a specific way or cleartext works ? I did try the latter but it didn't work. |
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| 14:52.59 | Spec | Is there documentation as to what uses debian's default tmpfs (mountd at /dev/shm)? |
| 14:53.08 | Spec | err, to what debian uses the* |
| 14:53.54 | Spec | weird to create tmpfs and not use it for /tmp, or (it looks like), anything. |
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| 14:54.46 | jelly-home | Spec: /dev/shm is only to be used as backend for anonymously mapped memory |
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| 14:55.13 | jelly-home | some services abuse it tho |
| 14:55.32 | jelly-home | Spec: /dev is also a tmpfs |
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| 14:56.09 | e-anima | someone eber had an error like: error 32 broken pipe, with apache? |
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| 14:58.27 | alcy | anyone ? |
| 14:58.58 | Spec | jelly-home: /dev being a tmpfs makes sense |
| 14:59.20 | Spec | jelly-home: I guess it's alright since tmpfs dynamically allocates itself, so it's not a waste of ram |
| 14:59.34 | e-anima | alcy whats the question? |
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| 14:59.50 | Spec | a puppet question. |
| 14:59.51 | mastro | how do I aptitude search two words combined with "AND"? like "aptitude search openoffice it" to search only those packages containing BOTH openoffice and "it" in the title.. |
| 15:00.06 | Spec | mastro: aptitude search openoffice|grep it ? |
| 15:00.25 | alcy | e-anima: I am using a .preseed file for a package (slapd) to automate the configuration over a remote client using puppet: my question is that in case of packages which require one to set some passwords (for admin accounts), can that information be provided in the .preseed file as well ? If yes, is there a specific way or cleartext works ? I did try the latter but it didn't work. |
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| 15:00.36 | flo` | hi |
| 15:00.48 | mastro | Spec, I know I can use grep.... but apt-cache search was different about it |
| 15:00.53 | e-anima | uh. i have no idea |
| 15:01.04 | Kuifje111 | are there any pastebins which dont require a sql database? |
| 15:01.10 | mastro | Spec, and sincerly I don't like the fact that it now default to OR since most of the time to mean "AND" |
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| 15:01.53 | flo` | my digicam (using PTP protocol) always has the wrong permissions/owners. it's owned by root:root, i'd like it to be owned by root:video. i think a udev rule will help, but how can i find out which characteristics that camera has? |
| 15:02.05 | flo` | i only know it's /dev/bus/usb/001/003 |
| 15:02.11 | mastro | aptitude search '?AND(openoffice,it)' <--- this sucks! it should be the default.. and if I want to I could specify ?OR(...) |
| 15:02.39 | flo` | i dunno what to tell udevinfo as arguments :( that path doesn't output anything :( |
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| 15:03.26 | emorris | I'm really confused about this. I asked a few days ago on this channel about aptitude not being able to access volatile.debian.org and security.debian.org, and we tried blacklisting ipv6. This didn't have any effect at first, but a while later it started working. However, today I can't access it again, and I couldn't even access http://debian.org in a web browser or dig debian.org a few minutes ago (although this works now). Any ide |
| 15:03.26 | emorris | as why this could be so intermittent? |
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| 15:03.54 | jordanm | mastro: aptitude search ~nopenoffice~nit for shorthand |
| 15:04.09 | Spec | great syntax :p |
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| 15:04.16 | Spec | mastro: I think I agree, AND should be default. |
| 15:04.28 | Spec | mastro: but we'll find 50% on one side, and 50% on the other ;) |
| 15:04.29 | simonrvn | file a bug |
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| 15:04.49 | lmaowaffle | hello. is there a way to automate the following? - To apt-get update regularly at midnight each night; then, somehow fetch changelogs of updated packages without downloading packages themselves; then mail results to user |
| 15:05.08 | abrotman | mastro: there is a method |
| 15:05.12 | jordanm | lmaowaffle: apticron + apt-listbugs would be damn close |
| 15:05.17 | mastro | jordanm, doesn't that search in the description too? I did not understand why aptitude search modified the default anyway.. it should have remained: search with AND and both in title and description (full-text-like) |
| 15:05.35 | lmaowaffle | jordanm: does apt-listbugs list the changelog? |
| 15:05.47 | mastro | jordanm, or at least this should be modifiable by configuration |
| 15:05.53 | lmaowaffle | jordanm: are you using something similar? |
| 15:06.05 | abrotman | !tell mastro about bpo list |
| 15:06.07 | abrotman | for an example |
| 15:06.18 | jordanm | mastro: aptitude's search capabilities are a bit more advanced that apt-cache's. because one application has some default, doesn't mean some other applications should have the same default |
| 15:06.36 | jordanm | mastro: aptitude search ~nopenoffice~dopenoffice |
| 15:07.15 | jordanm | lmaowaffle: well, no, not the changelog but does not outstanding bugs. I am not aware of anyway to fetch the changelog without grabbing the source package |
| 15:07.25 | jordanm | s/does not/does show/ |
| 15:07.52 | karlpinc | If I install Openoffice.org 3 from bpo can I undo by removing it and reinstalling from stable or will it mess up something in my preferences in my home directory? |
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| 15:08.30 | jordanm | karlpinc: I would say there is no need to downgrade back... |
| 15:08.54 | karlpinc | jordanm: Ultimately I'll have to remove it, or something, to upgrade to squeeze. |
| 15:08.55 | lmaowaffle | jordanm: yeah. i'm not after outstanding bugs. The reason I want to set this up is because my internet speed is currently throttled, and I want to know before I retrieve packages if the changes made are important enough to take a chunk out of the 64kbps I get |
| 15:08.59 | lmaowaffle | :) |
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| 15:09.32 | karlpinc | jordanm: But that's not the prolem. Problem is that I want to be able to use "stock" so I can support it elsewhere. |
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| 15:10.08 | jordanm | karlpinc: backports are supossed to be made in a manor that it will not hurt when upgrading to the next release. I see your point on supporting it though |
| 15:10.12 | karlpinc | lmaowaffle: The package page at debian.org might have a way to download the changelog. Dunno. |
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| 15:10.47 | abrotman | jordanm: they typically tell you to remove them prior to upgrade |
| 15:10.48 | jordanm | lmaowaffle: my easy solution: run stable :) |
| 15:11.00 | simonrvn | hands lmaowaffle a dialup modem |
| 15:11.02 | karlpinc | lmaowaffle: I thought I did once, but I might have just _wanted_ to. |
| 15:11.17 | simonrvn | double your bandwidth! |
| 15:11.23 | jordanm | abrotman: I thought that backports were made from testing instead of sid exactly for that reason? |
| 15:11.25 | lmaowaffle | simonrvn: hah |
| 15:11.33 | lmaowaffle | simonrvn: dialup would beat this hands down |
| 15:11.53 | emorris | http://pastebin.com/zTCBdhtN |
| 15:12.11 | karlpinc | jordanm: Basically, it's impossible to test the upgrade process with bpo stuff installed. So they recommend removing it. But that's only the feeling I have, unsubstantiated. |
| 15:12.49 | abrotman | jordanm: see the lenny release notes |
| 15:13.02 | lmaowaffle | 56kbps is a bit more bearable with good QOS rules, I've found |
| 15:13.11 | simonrvn | you should remove any third party packages you have - and sources - then do the upgrade |
| 15:13.12 | karlpinc | jordanm: And the etch release notes before that. |
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| 15:13.48 | simonrvn | if you don't you risk breaking things badly |
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| 15:15.00 | lmaowaffle | karlpinc: the files NEWS.Debian and changelog[.Debian] under /usr/share/doc/<package> are used to show the changelog entries for packages, right? |
| 15:15.14 | lmaowaffle | for packages that have been upgraded on the system |
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| 15:15.34 | lmaowaffle | hm, but i guess that's extracted from the .deb |
| 15:15.37 | nvz | does anyone know a way I can get totem to let me run two instances? |
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| 15:15.47 | karlpinc | lmaowaffle: Right, comes from the deb. |
| 15:15.56 | nvz | I can do it with xine if I start em real fast before the splash screen goes away |
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| 15:19.28 | emorris | nvz, totem --no-existing-session |
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| 15:20.42 | nvz | emorris: thanks. I looked all over for that kinda option one day and came up with nothing |
| 15:21.15 | emorris | nvz, heh, I found it on some forum thread where someone wanted to watch 2 adult movies at once |
| 15:21.52 | nvz | emorris: yeah similar concept.. sometimes I play a sound file and a movie file.. and my player apps are all fubar for some reason |
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| 15:22.03 | emorris | nvz, I believe it's a relatively new option |
| 15:22.13 | nvz | vlc won't play video at all, many things I have try to play all the frames at once in xine |
| 15:22.26 | nvz | mplayer has shitty playlist functionality |
| 15:22.38 | nvz | totem is about the only thing I got that always works |
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| 15:23.51 | lmaowaffle | nvz: what's wrong with mplayer (-gui, i'm assuming) playlist management? |
| 15:24.11 | nvz | lmaowaffle: well for starters there is no way to random or repeat |
| 15:24.13 | jpinx-eeepc | nvz: vlc plays everything I thro at it |
| 15:24.42 | nvz | jpinx-eeepc: my vlc hasnt displayed video in ages. why Idk.. the video output plugin looks fine |
| 15:25.10 | jpinx-eeepc | nvz: purge and reinstall ? |
| 15:25.25 | nvz | jpinx-eeepc: possibly.. never tried it |
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| 15:25.51 | qq- | vlc +1 |
| 15:25.59 | simonrvn | nvz: try rm'ing your vlc prefs. i was getting similar behaviour until i did that |
| 15:26.02 | jpinx-eeepc | nvz: make sure you remove all config files by hand |
| 15:26.12 | Iran | hi, i have my debian box up and running, how can i change the ip of my box form number to alphabet example ***.***.***.*** to Something.Nothing.Com? thanks |
| 15:26.18 | simonrvn | vlc works nicely now |
| 15:26.28 | lmaowaffle | karlpinc: curiously, would you happen to know the right party to contact if i wanted to only fetch latest changelog entry for a package? |
| 15:26.36 | jpinx-eeepc | vlc rox :) |
| 15:26.55 | nvz | I had vlc set for my default preview app for frostwire and other things.. |
| 15:27.08 | simonrvn | Iran: foo.bar.com is not an IP |
| 15:27.26 | jhutchins_lt | Iran: Go study "domain naming system" on Google. |
| 15:27.30 | jordanm | Iran: in order for your IP to resolve to a hostname like that, you need a valid PTR record |
| 15:27.46 | lmaowaffle | Iran: what do you hope to achieve by doing this? |
| 15:28.12 | Iran | well, i have got domain that i can point it to my box if Im not worng |
| 15:28.26 | Iran | let say my eggdrop will be having vhost insted of ip |
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| 15:29.40 | jpinx-eeepc | Iran: you need a couple of nameservers for your domain |
| 15:29.41 | simonrvn | a (sub-)domain is *mapped* to an IP, it isn't the IP. you use records such as CNAMEs, As, and PTRs to do this mapping. |
| 15:29.49 | jordanm | Iran: hostnames are not substitutes for IPs |
| 15:30.04 | jpinx-eeepc | they'll point the domain at your IP if you set it up right |
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| 15:30.12 | simonrvn | exactly |
| 15:30.27 | simonrvn | jpinx-eeepc: you'd lose the bet |
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| 15:30.44 | Iran | ic , thanks all, :) |
| 15:30.47 | jpinx-eeepc | !pay simonrvn $5 |
| 15:30.47 | dpkg | forks over $5. Here you go, simonrvn. It's been a pleasure doing business with you. |
| 15:30.49 | simonrvn | yw |
| 15:31.56 | simonrvn | figures eh, i have terrible luck gambling, but do well at virtual, haha |
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| 15:33.08 | lmaowaffle | is there a way to access the source files (specifically the changelog) used in an app's package online? |
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| 15:33.50 | lmaowaffle | is that what deb-src in sources.list is for? |
| 15:34.05 | jordanm | lmaowaffle: looks like there is: eg. http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/g/gopchop/gopchop_1.1.8-2/changelog |
| 15:34.09 | simonrvn | you can press C in aptitude to fetch it. or at pdo |
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| 15:35.30 | lmaowaffle | okay. thanks guys |
| 15:35.39 | lmaowaffle | i'm getting somewhere |
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| 15:36.43 | lmaowaffle | jordanm: oh, that's not what I meant |
| 15:37.00 | lmaowaffle | hmm, maybe i was a bit unclear |
| 15:37.06 | jordanm | lmaowaffle: its the changelog.. how is it not what you want? |
| 15:37.30 | lmaowaffle | what i'm after is the changelog that is packaged with individual versions of packages |
| 15:37.45 | lmaowaffle | urgh, wrong again |
| 15:37.58 | jordanm | that is the debian changelog, are you saying you want the upstream changelog? |
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| 15:39.07 | lmaowaffle | no, i still want the maintainer's changelog. The link you posted is the end result of Parse::DebianChangelog (in footer), and it lists the entries from as far back as 2003, for instance |
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| 15:39.34 | lokitadeamo | hola me llamo karla tengo 24 añitos y soy de españa valencia aki les dejo mi msn lokitadeamo @ h0t c0m me beran al desnudo x cam x 4 sms |
| 15:39.35 | lokitadeamo | hola me llamo karla tengo 24 añitos y soy de españa valencia aki les dejo mi msn lokitadeamo @ h0t c0m me beran al desnudo x cam x 4 sms |
| 15:39.36 | lokitadeamo | hola me llamo karla tengo 24 añitos y soy de españa valencia aki les dejo mi msn lokitadeamo @ h0t c0m me beran al desnudo x cam x 4 sms |
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| 15:40.21 | lmaowaffle | I just need the most recent entry |
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| 15:40.35 | mohadib_ | not sure where to ask this |
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| 15:40.46 | mohadib_ | but please start putting sbin in not root users path |
| 15:40.50 | abrotman | wait .. that won't work ... |
| 15:41.00 | mohadib_ | is it such an odd occurance someone besides root would want to run ifconfig |
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| 15:41.32 | abrotman | i think |
| 15:41.35 | jordanm | lmaowaffle: so write something that parses it. I don't know of anything that would include a changelog of only the most recent change |
| 15:41.51 | rking | mohadib_: So you want /sbin in all users' paths? |
| 15:41.56 | mohadib_ | yes |
| 15:42.04 | mohadib_ | whats the harm in it? |
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| 15:42.18 | abrotman | mohadib_: might be confusing for them .. |
| 15:42.25 | rking | mohadib_: Clouds up the program list with things you'll never run as a user. |
| 15:42.29 | mohadib_ | then they should go back to windows :) |
| 15:42.30 | abrotman | they'll run things and get 'Permission Denied' |
| 15:42.38 | lmaowaffle | mohadib_: what rking said |
| 15:42.38 | abrotman | or you should? |
| 15:42.40 | mohadib_ | the move ifconfig |
| 15:42.45 | abrotman | use the full path |
| 15:42.53 | rking | mohadib_: I agree that there should be a convenient way to get the IP, but /sbin/ifconfig is convenient enough for me. |
| 15:42.57 | abrotman | typing '/sbin/ifconfig' is not hard |
| 15:43.04 | mohadib_ | lol |
| 15:43.07 | abrotman | and /bin/ip is sufficient to get the IP |
| 15:43.21 | mohadib_ | too bad it wants args |
| 15:43.21 | abrotman | and .. it's in their path!! |
| 15:43.24 | rking | abrotman: Hm... how do you use it? |
| 15:43.27 | mohadib_ | lol |
| 15:43.31 | abrotman | it has a man page |
| 15:43.38 | mohadib_ | god i love this channel |
| 15:43.39 | mohadib_ | later |
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| 15:43.47 | jordanm | abrotman: read it to me? :) |
| 15:44.04 | rking | abrotman: Thanks, I never knew about it. (/bin/ip... manpages I knew about. =)) |
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| 15:44.31 | abrotman | rking: 'ip addr' for starters |
| 15:45.17 | rking | abrotman: Yeah, that's cool. |
| 15:45.18 | abrotman | takes a bit of getting used to .. but doesn't require lazy people to type the full path or even more lazy people to change a system-wide $PATH |
| 15:45.32 | karlpinc | jelly-home: OOo 3 didn't work. Oh well. |
| 15:45.37 | rking | abrotman: I think other distros do have ipconfig in the default user path |
| 15:46.03 | abrotman | rking: ifconfig, and maybe, but that doesn't make it right |
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| 15:46.58 | rking | abrotman: Sorry, typo |
| 15:47.32 | jordanm | rking: what distro is that? |
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| 15:48.05 | jordanm | ah, it appears RHEL.... |
| 15:48.16 | rking | jordanm: I don't know... I hardly use any others... I just remember it from somewhere. |
| 15:49.04 | abrotman | but for instance, gentoo used to not even have traceroute in a normal user's path .. oh well |
| 15:49.29 | abrotman | (dunno anymore) |
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| 15:52.25 | JohnD | hello |
| 15:52.35 | JohnD | does debian have a startup folder/files? |
| 15:52.48 | rking | JohnD: man init |
| 15:52.57 | petemc | JohnD: debian is sysv |
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| 15:53.00 | rking | JohnD: And all the stuff about the init system... like /etc/init.d/* |
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| 15:53.40 | JohnD | is it complicated to get 1 program to startup at startup? |
| 15:54.14 | qq- | !rc.local |
| 15:54.14 | dpkg | /etc/rc.local is a script called by /etc/init.d/rc.local which is typically one of the last things to be run during the boot sequence. If you have commands you want run at boot, edit /etc/rc.local (don't touch /etc/init.d/rc.local). rc.local is considered a hack, consider writing a real init script instead, ask me about <init.d>. |
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| 15:56.32 | JohnD | just confused me even more :S |
| 15:56.56 | JohnD | i will just start it manually i think ^.^ |
| 15:57.16 | apolo777 | add user shell pls ?:)) |
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| 15:58.39 | rking | JohnD: Don't be a wimp, figure it out. =P |
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| 15:58.59 | JohnD | lol |
| 15:59.05 | JohnD | i edit inittab file? |
| 15:59.32 | andrewm659 | Has anyone sucessfully setup a SSH system using the new chroot functionality? |
| 15:59.35 | jordanm | JohnD: is that what the rc.local factoid says? |
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| 15:59.40 | Iran | other qs, how should i know that the ISP give me RDNS, like is there any command line for it ? thanks |
| 15:59.42 | rking | JohnD: The thing that dpkg said mentions the right answer many times |
| 16:00.03 | jordanm | Iran: dig -t PTR <ip addy> |
| 16:00.20 | petemc | or dig -x 1.2.3.4 |
| 16:00.29 | Iran | ic thanks |
| 16:00.35 | JohnD | it also said its considered a hack? |
| 16:00.49 | JohnD | therefore i ignored it |
| 16:00.52 | rking | JohnD: And starting it manually is less of a hack? |
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| 16:01.01 | jordanm | JohnD: for things more complex than a single or couple commands, you should write a real init script |
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| 16:01.16 | JohnD | i just want it to say 1 command (prog name) |
| 16:01.20 | JohnD | and it will start |
| 16:01.27 | JohnD | 4 letters to be procised |
| 16:01.30 | jordanm | JohnD: what application? |
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| 16:01.48 | JohnD | the sound mixer (kmix) |
| 16:02.06 | jordanm | JohnD: you want that started by your desktop environment, not a global system startup |
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| 16:02.08 | rking | JohnD: OHHH... we're talking about something that should start when you log in, not when you boot up |
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| 16:02.24 | jordanm | JohnD: are you using kde, gnome, or other? |
| 16:02.30 | JohnD | i didnt say global system startup lol |
| 16:02.34 | JohnD | i just said startup |
| 16:02.38 | JohnD | KDE |
| 16:02.49 | jordanm | JohnD: well, what you really meant was "login", not startup |
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| 16:03.21 | jordanm | and I don't know how to do it in KDE, google will likely help (or look around configuration for "session" options) |
| 16:03.26 | JohnD | probably because im an ex windows user |
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| 16:04.09 | JohnD | ok ill try google |
| 16:04.28 | JohnD | so i used 'login' instead of 'startup' right? |
| 16:04.36 | JohnD | in google... |
| 16:05.00 | jordanm | JohnD: what version of debian are you using? |
| 16:05.12 | JohnD | latest/current |
| 16:05.18 | JohnD | lenny |
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| 16:05.54 | jordanm | JohnD: missing pictures, but looks like this should do it: http://itg.chem.indiana.edu/inc/wiki/software/168.html |
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| 16:06.33 | JohnD | thanks, ill give it a go :) |
| 16:06.58 | Deeps | hiya, i'm trying to remove a package, but it seems to think that it should be deleting all of /var with it, and thus failing to remove the package when that fails. any pointers on how i can edit the package rules to not remove that dir? |
| 16:07.32 | jhutchins_lt | Deeps: Might help if you said what package it was, and why you're removing it. |
| 16:07.47 | e-anima | how can i do a clean uninstall of apache2 or other software? apt-get remove packagename is not clean |
| 16:08.08 | cahoot | e-anima: aptitude purge? |
| 16:08.25 | jhutchins_lt | e-anima: Does it leave mud on your keyboard or something? |
| 16:08.36 | Deeps | jhutchins_lt: package isn't a standard debian package, i'm removing it because it's causing a problem, looking for generic packaging help, not specific to this package! :) |
| 16:08.38 | e-anima | it leaves some mud in the system. |
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| 16:09.16 | e-anima | an doing manual dpkg -p on every package SCUKS! |
| 16:09.33 | jordanm | Deeps: as I understand it, it would only try to delete /var if it thinks that is the only package that has placed files there |
| 16:10.00 | jhutchins_lt | Deeps: Unfortunately this IS specific to your package and the dependencies listed within it. |
| 16:10.11 | jordanm | e-anima: aptitude purge |
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| 16:10.28 | e-anima | jo thx cahoot/ jordanm |
| 16:11.02 | jhutchins_lt | Deeps: I don't know if there's a script/file/list within the dpkg tree that you could check with, but the problem is with the package. |
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| 16:11.35 | jhutchins_lt | Deeps: I don't know if aptitude has a switch to disable removal of dependencies, you might be able to do it with dpkg. |
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| 16:11.46 | jhutchins_lt | Deeps: Did it install any dependencies? |
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| 16:12.24 | jordanm | Deeps: is it somehow the only debian package on the system? |
| 16:12.31 | JohnD | thanks guys, going to restart and test :) |
| 16:13.10 | Deeps | jhutchins_lt: yeah, i've found it now, /var/lib/dpkg/info/package.* |
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| 16:14.38 | jelly-home | Deeps: dpkg takes care that directories and files belonging to multiple package don't get removed on one package removal. |
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| 16:15.16 | Deeps | jelly-home: seems that something's gotten unhappy here then |
| 16:15.43 | jelly-home | Deeps: which Debian release are you running? Where did you get this package from? |
| 16:15.48 | Deeps | in the interests of full disclosure, it's an jailbroken iphone i'm fudging with here, but that uses the same .deb packaging system hense asking in here :> |
| 16:16.14 | Deeps | usual tricks that apply in debian when dealing with silly packages have usually worked in the past, this one's new to me though |
| 16:16.36 | jelly-home | Deeps: ask your jailbreak community, this isn't the right place for dpkg help. |
| 16:17.33 | Deeps | jelly-home: not to be rude to them, but jailbreak community knows significantly less about dpkg and .debs generally than #debian |
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| 16:17.56 | Deeps | eitherway, i think i've identified the problem, so thanks all |
| 16:17.57 | jelly-home | Deeps: still, #debian is for Debian support, not AnyOtherOSPerhapsUsingDpkg |
| 16:18.01 | jordanm | Deeps: that does not make this a dumping-grounds for dpkg related questions |
| 16:18.10 | Deeps | maybe not, but you've helped |
| 16:18.15 | jelly-home | too bad there's to proper dpkg channel |
| 16:18.18 | jelly-home | no*& |
| 16:18.19 | mmestnik | Hello, is there a channel to discuss IMAP and RFC topics? I tried #thunderbird and #firefox with no joy. |
| 16:18.33 | Deeps | so despite yourselves, thanks again :) |
| 16:18.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly-home, well, postinst scripts can pretty much do what they want? |
| 16:18.45 | jelly-home | CutMeOwnThroat: they can |
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| 16:19.18 | jelly-home | Deeps: eh, munging /var/lib/dpkg/info/package.list is not unheard of unfortunately |
| 16:19.20 | manicman | mmestnik: if you find a channel discussion rfc topics please let me know |
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| 16:19.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly-home, you could make a proper dpkg channel :) |
| 16:19.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | or at least an improper one |
| 16:20.02 | jordanm | mmestnik: #imap ? |
| 16:20.13 | jelly-home | CutMeOwnThroat: I could not, at least not on this network. Not being a dpkg developer or in any way affiliated |
| 16:20.23 | jelly-home | with. |
| 16:20.35 | mmestnik | manicman: I think I'll register #rfc. |
| 16:20.44 | mmestnik | jordanm: Empty. |
| 16:20.45 | jelly-home | #imap sounds like #Linux ... |
| 16:20.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly-home, that's why I said at least an improper one ;) |
| 16:20.50 | Deeps | jelly-home: indeed, and it seems in this instance, the package hasn't bothered to list the files in .list, but rather just the directories where it's put something |
| 16:21.00 | jelly-home | Deeps: eeugh |
| 16:21.14 | Deeps | time to grab the package, extract, work out what it's put in and recreate the list / remove it all manually |
| 16:21.20 | manicman | mmestnik: go on...;) |
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| 16:21.40 | Deeps | still, wouldn't have gotten this far from the iphone jb community, there are very few people who understand debian packaging there ;) |
| 16:21.55 | Deeps | so, once again, thank you all for your help :) |
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| 16:22.01 | jelly-home | I found it rather funny the first time I saw apt running there |
| 16:22.07 | JohnD | well it works lol, but comes up accross the screen when i logon |
| 16:22.17 | JohnD | cant i get it to just run in taskbar when it starts? |
| 16:22.35 | JohnD | when i start it manually it just goes to taskbar.. |
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| 16:23.04 | jordanm | JohnD: it doesn't let you just "add" it to the taskbar where it will stay? |
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| 16:23.50 | JohnD | it doesnt? :s |
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| 16:24.37 | JohnD | i think i've done it |
| 16:24.48 | JohnD | ill give another reboot, brb |
| 16:25.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | reboot?! |
| 16:25.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | would be nice if that worked in real life, too |
| 16:25.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | "got a cold? Just reboot!" |
| 16:26.24 | qq- | endlive ? reboot .. |
| 16:26.24 | Lars| | ye ! |
| 16:26.31 | Lars| | halt |
| 16:26.46 | Digit | init 6 |
| 16:26.47 | Digit | :) |
| 16:27.10 | qq- | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:28.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually, I got a question - I ran rdesktop -5 -u k -p <mypassword> -g 98% <host> |
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| 16:28.29 | JohnD | yea, sorted =) |
| 16:28.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | ps aux |grep rdesktop shows: [stuff omitted] rdesktop -5 -u k -p XXXXXXX -g 98% <host> |
| 16:28.42 | Digit | no! |
| 16:28.44 | Digit | init 0 |
| 16:28.49 | Digit | http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/runlevels.htm |
| 16:29.16 | Digit | init 6 -> reboot |
| 16:29.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | so something removes the password from the output of ps and replaces it by XXXXXXX - I wonder what's doing that |
| 16:29.24 | JohnD | also, when i start irssi, 2 windows will open by default (status + blank window)... how do i get rid of the blank pointless window? |
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| 16:29.55 | jordanm | JohnD: there is #irssi |
| 16:29.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | I was actually quite impressed by that :) |
| 16:30.02 | JohnD | oh |
| 16:30.03 | JohnD | :) |
| 16:30.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | I guess it's rdesktop itself removing the password from the argument list and replacing it? |
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| 16:31.14 | Riviera | CutMeOwnThroat: it's still ugly, because there is a time interval before this change happens in that the password is to be see |
| 16:31.18 | Riviera | n |
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| 16:35.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | is there? |
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| 16:36.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | Riviera, so it is rdesktop doing that? |
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| 16:36.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | do other programs do similar stuff?... like mysql client or mysqladmin or so |
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| 16:37.33 | Riviera | CutMeOwnThroat: yes, to both questions :) |
| 16:38.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's pretty cool, anyway |
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| 16:38.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | I didn't care much about that password and mine is pretty much the only account on this machine |
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| 16:38.51 | Blackvel | anyone using a vserver with lenny? what is better? virtuozzo or xen? does that matter for me choosing a new hoster? |
| 16:39.28 | paxcoder | I'm solving this "Debian Community Poll" I guess on Google Docs(!?), and there's a question "Should Debian remove its non-free component?", however if you see the explanation, no distinction is made between shipping non-free software and simply having a non-free repository, and it's either yes to both, or no to both. |
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| 16:39.45 | paxcoder | *solving = voting on |
| 16:39.46 | jordanm | Blackvel: yes, if you are choosing to buy a VPS, I would highly recommend _not_ openvz. xen is good |
| 16:40.08 | Blackvel | ah intersting |
| 16:40.20 | paxcoder | That is dishonest. |
| 16:40.27 | jordanm | Blackvel: the problem with openvz is that your system runs on the host's kernel, and usually comes in modified installs, leading to wierd issues |
| 16:40.46 | themill | paxcoder: eh? |
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| 16:41.04 | jordanm | paxcoder: that poll is finished and results have been posted IIRC |
| 16:41.06 | Blackvel | there is no one for openvcp but some which are cheaper offering xen or some hosters with virtuozzo |
| 16:41.30 | paxcoder | jordanm, it's a dishonest question. |
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| 16:41.35 | themill | paxcoder: how so? |
| 16:41.41 | Blackvel | jordanm: my vserver hoster right now also seems to use a custom hosts kernel |
| 16:41.43 | paxcoder | plus, who even got to vote on that? |
| 16:41.49 | paxcoder | themill, i explained. |
| 16:41.50 | Blackvel | i thought thats normal |
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| 16:42.12 | themill | paxcoder: no, you rambled in vacuuo as usual. There was no explanation. |
| 16:42.23 | jordanm | Blackvel: the host kernels are usually provided by openvz for red-hat based systems |
| 16:42.41 | paxcoder | plus, we either have DFSG and it's non-debatable or we say to heck with it, we'll vote on everything. |
| 16:42.48 | jordanm | debian has a kernel capable of openvz, but I do not see it often with hosting providers |
| 16:42.49 | themill | paxcoder: what is ambiguous about "Debian currently ships some software which does not fully comply to the DFSG as a well separated component called 'non-free'. Should non-free software be removed completely in the future?" |
| 16:42.50 | paxcoder | themill, whatever yous ay. |
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| 16:43.23 | themill | paxcoder: in any case, I don't know how many times you've been told that this is *not* the place for these discussions. Especially when you're not actually interested in discussing things. |
| 16:43.27 | paxcoder | Debian *shipping* with non-free software is not the same as it having a non-free repository, as it is not included in the distro. |
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| 16:43.44 | paxcoder | themill, bugger off, themill. |
| 16:43.50 | themill | paxcoder: perhaps you need to define shipping |
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| 16:44.01 | AimHere | "in the future" is kindof ambigious. The Sonny Bono copyright act illustrates how 'in the future' can mean 'never' |
| 16:44.09 | e-anima | any ideas why this is happening: E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 16:44.25 | e-anima | after trying to:apt-get install libapache2-mod-xsendfile |
| 16:44.32 | themill | e-anima: you'd need to pastebin the command you gave and the entire output. /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 16:44.43 | jelly-home | e-anima: please pastebin the complete output of that command |
| 16:44.48 | e-anima | ok sec |
| 16:44.49 | paxcoder | i need to find out who's the guy who thinks DFSG is debatable. |
| 16:45.07 | Blackvel | why are hosters for virtuozzo more expensive than hosters with xen? will the first provide more features? |
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| 16:45.25 | e-anima | http://pastebin.com/3q1vtahS |
| 16:45.37 | jordanm | paxcoder: torsten warner made the poll, again IIRC |
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| 16:46.09 | e-anima | i think it was a bad idea to deinstall php/apache/mysql via aptitude |
| 16:46.12 | themill | paxcoder: no, you need to work out what you mean by shipping. You should perhaps start here: http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#nonfree. The only way non-free is available is through the repo, so asking if debian should stop shipping non-free is asking if the repo shouidl go away. |
| 16:46.27 | e-anima | now reainstall makes problems (only in some cases) |
| 16:46.42 | jelly | themill: who needs gnu docs anyway! |
| 16:47.05 | jordanm | !tell e-anima about localized errors |
| 16:47.10 | e-anima | phpmyadmin is not installing too.....i wrote the whole installprocess down, so i can repeat it. but useless now because of some "mud" left |
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| 16:47.38 | thomas__ | try to find an other version of your pakage e-anima (methode bourrin) |
| 16:47.38 | themill | paxcoder: further, asking a question of a group of people about whether *they* believe that the policy should be changed is not the same as the author of the questionaire believing that. |
| 16:47.43 | e-anima | thanks for the hint |
| 16:47.54 | jelly | ,versions libapache2-mod-xsendfile |
| 16:47.56 | judd | libapache2-mod-xsendfile -- sid: 0.9-2; squeeze: 0.9-2 |
| 16:48.03 | paxcoder | themill, with all due respect, that's faulty logic. having non-free opt-in repositories is not shipping them. |
| 16:48.11 | e-anima | no this is working. i teste it all with a clean lenny from scratch |
| 16:48.12 | paxcoder | at least, the question is ambiguous. |
| 16:48.18 | themill | paxcoder: how? |
| 16:48.23 | jordanm | e-anima: it looks like you are mixing releases |
| 16:48.24 | paxcoder | i told you. |
| 16:48.27 | themill | no actually.... don't tell me. I don't care. go away |
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| 16:48.37 | thomas__ | or an other mirrors |
| 16:48.51 | thomas__ | or code name , not mirror |
| 16:49.01 | e-anima | what was the command for printing the debian version? |
| 16:49.13 | jelly | !version |
| 16:49.14 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a, or cat /proc/version. Do cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} which should grab almost all distributions. |
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| 16:49.35 | thomas__ | apt-get install -t name apt-cache showpkg package |
| 16:49.49 | e-anima | oh damned squeeze/sid |
| 16:50.01 | e-anima | i did an upgrade to unstables, DOH |
| 16:50.06 | e-anima | damned |
| 16:50.35 | e-anima | ok im goin to reinstall the whole sys |
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| 16:51.19 | thomas__ | stupid |
| 16:51.29 | thomas__ | in your apt_preferences |
| 16:51.45 | thomas__ | or apt.conf |
| 16:51.48 | e-anima | i know |
| 16:51.52 | thomas__ | try man |
| 16:51.58 | e-anima | that was not by intention |
| 16:51.59 | thomas__ | and wait |
| 16:52.01 | e-anima | :) |
| 16:52.18 | e-anima | i forgot to put an # infront of unstables |
| 16:52.27 | amphi | e-anima: squeeze is working well here, FWIW |
| 16:52.35 | thomas__ | experimental too |
| 16:52.50 | amphi | ah ;) |
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| 16:53.46 | e-anima | im not some 10 year experienced one. so i go with lenny again. thats working here (tested and written down) |
| 16:54.01 | e-anima | every install gives me some exp points ;) |
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| 16:54.49 | thomas__ | you have vm's for that e-anima |
| 16:54.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | .. and at some time you'll be able to wield the sword of rm -rf |
| 16:55.18 | e-anima | thomas__ this is only my testserver |
| 16:55.22 | mastro | ah.. where can I find the _today_ log of this chat? this has only until yesterday :) ----> http://purl.rikers.org/%23debian |
| 16:55.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | wherever you client stores it :) |
| 16:56.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | I wonder what happened to the policy of not making logs of #d public anyway |
| 16:56.29 | mastro | CutMeOwnThroat, yes.. but it do not store it so back.. I lost all the replies to my previous conversation, this afternoon, about aptitude search (I was called for a meeting) |
| 16:56.32 | AimHere | Was there ever such a policy? |
| 16:56.50 | AimHere | As in, it's pretty easy to google what you said here a couple weeks ago, if you like |
| 16:56.51 | themill | mastro: not there until tomorrow, as a general rule |
| 16:56.54 | mastro | CutMeOwnThroat, may you search back and pastebin them? |
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| 16:58.04 | tzanger | good afternoon... has the debian etch repository been permanently removed? |
| 16:58.14 | tzanger | neverind I see the topic now |
| 16:58.14 | tzanger | sorry |
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| 16:58.59 | petemc | tzanger: there should be an etch dir on archive.debian.org |
| 16:59.13 | tzanger | yeah I ust saw that in dpkg :-) |
| 16:59.14 | tzanger | thank you |
| 16:59.17 | tzanger | got a little nervous there |
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| 17:00.41 | ociredeF | hey guys |
| 17:00.52 | ociredeF | got this problem maybe somebody in here can givce me a hand |
| 17:01.00 | ociredeF | I got this external usb hard drive |
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| 17:01.31 | ociredeF | it's screwed... computers won't even recignize it... is there a way to format it and make it usable again? |
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| 17:02.05 | amphi | ociredeF: do see anything in your logs when you plug it in? |
| 17:02.17 | jelly | ociredeF: sounds like a question for ##hardware |
| 17:03.06 | ociredeF | this is what I get when I do dmesg | tail |
| 17:03.07 | ociredeF | http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/6xtzdWXC |
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| 17:04.51 | qq- | ociredeF, running ubuntu ? |
| 17:05.09 | amphi | ociredeF: that appears as it should, AFAICS; you could just repartition it and make partitions and filesystems as you like |
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| 17:06.26 | ociredeF | amphi: how? |
| 17:06.31 | ociredeF | certainly not from gparted |
| 17:06.43 | amphi | fdisk? |
| 17:07.14 | ociredeF | amphi: but I don't know what /deb it is |
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| 17:07.54 | amphi | or cfdisk, which is easier |
| 17:08.02 | hotwings | when using `debuild binary` to build a debian package, is it possible to set DEB_BUILD_CONFIG_OPTIONS on the same line? im trying to avoid having to hand edit "DEB_BUILD_CONFIG_OPTIONS :=" in debian/rules every time |
| 17:08.59 | isfranc | hello, with fail2ban is possible to have the current ban ip in bash variable ??? |
| 17:09.31 | ociredeF | amphi: cfdisk gives me some crazy error |
| 17:09.39 | ociredeF | but the thing is that I cannot mount it, nor find it |
| 17:09.52 | petemc | ociredeF: it appears to be /dev/sdb , but it also appears to disconnect |
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| 17:10.43 | petemc | isfranc: you could parse /etc/hosts.deny and put the ips in a variable, but in my experience it gets to be a large list |
| 17:10.47 | amphi | petemc: I thought that was were he unplugged it |
| 17:11.22 | isfranc | petemc: fail2ban have no options for script or other |
| 17:11.29 | isfranc | it s a problem |
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| 17:20.26 | ornia | Whenever I remove or add or update a kernel on my Debian system, it alters all the GRUB entries to say root (md0) |
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| 17:21.13 | ornia | My Debian system is indeed installed onto a software RAID-1 array @ md0, but that is why my kernel line is: kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.32-3-amd64 root=/dev/md0 ro |
| 17:21.44 | ornia | Having the GRUB menu.lst root line say (md0) makes it unbootable. I must change it to (hd0,0) |
| 17:22.13 | ornia | But anytime APT changes the kernels around and rescans my /boot/, the menu.lst changes back from my edit of (hd0,0) to (md0) |
| 17:22.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | squeeze? lenny? |
| 17:22.42 | ornia | CutMeOwnThroat: squeeze |
| 17:22.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | mmm, that's grub2 |
| 17:22.53 | ornia | Some sid packages |
| 17:22.53 | ornia | No |
| 17:23.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, squeeze uses grub2 by default |
| 17:23.08 | ornia | I got rid of grub2 |
| 17:23.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm |
| 17:23.12 | ornia | wait |
| 17:23.30 | sidh | Greetings |
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| 17:23.45 | ornia | Yeah, I have grub-legacy installed. |
| 17:24.06 | ornia | 0.96-61 |
| 17:24.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | ornia, as a starter... look at "man update-grub", that's what the kernel scripts should call |
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| 17:24.31 | ornia | CutMeOwnThroat: I figured it was that command. |
| 17:24.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | yhe #commented lines steer what update-grub generates |
| 17:24.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | or the ## comments? |
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| 17:25.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | I always find that a bit confusing... that comments contain actual commands... it's counter-intuitive, but I though there are ##real comments explaining how it works... |
| 17:26.12 | ornia | CutMeOwnThroat: Are you talking about in menu.lst? |
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| 17:26.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes |
| 17:26.34 | hotwings | yeah thats goofy CutMeOwnThroat |
| 17:27.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | you should have # groot=(hd0,0) or so in there and you probably have something else, that points to the md device |
| 17:27.52 | ornia | CutMeOwnThroat: Oh gosh that sounds exactly right. |
| 17:27.55 | ornia | I just edited it back |
| 17:27.59 | ornia | Thanks so much! |
| 17:28.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | yw |
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| 17:30.12 | xuser | Do guys know a search pattern for aptitude to only show backports packages that are installed? I'm trying "aptitude '~i ~Vbpo' but shows other packages that are not bpo |
| 17:30.22 | sidh | I would need your advice : I run squeeze, as I need to have lirc 0.8.6 , i trid first installing from source, but never succeed troubleshooting the /etc/init.d/lirc script that fails on start, so i discoverd the "debian.mentor" way and build the lirc 0.8.6 coming from ubuntu, everything (seemed to have) run fine, I get several .deb packages, Then i dpkg -i "lirc_0.8.6-0ubuntu1~ppa9.1_i386.deb" and i get no error. But now on startup lirc, it seems it tries to l |
| 17:31.39 | tharkun | Is aptitude scriptable enough to report pending updates upon certaing packages, and upgrade every other one? |
| 17:31.50 | xuser | aptitude search '~i ~Vbpo' I mean |
| 17:32.37 | jordanm | xuser: you would want: aptitude search ~i~Alenny-backports; but this has the issue as it will show installed packages that have versions in backports, not nescessarily packages from backports you have installed |
| 17:33.27 | jordanm | xuser: I would go for something more like: dpkg -l | grep '~bpo' |
| 17:33.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | xuser, ah, yes... if I can find it... themill pasted one after the same question |
| 17:33.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | jordanm, was that it? |
| 17:33.58 | jordanm | CutMeOwnThroat: yes... I was trying to remember, and my logging is not working |
| 17:34.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | I remember I got it by botmail sometime later |
| 17:34.13 | jordanm | hehe, that question came up and I though same wrong answer I cam up with last time... |
| 17:34.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | next day |
| 17:34.19 | jordanm | I suppose I learned nothing |
| 17:34.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | jordanm, running grep thmill.*aptitude * on my logs returns nuffin, though |
| 17:34.33 | tharkun | There is a place were logs are stored |
| 17:34.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's _weird_ |
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| 17:34.56 | peterS | xuser: hmmm, does '~S ~i ~Vbpo' work? |
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| 17:35.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | that should return lots, he's always fiddling with aptitude |
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| 17:35.28 | xuser | peterS: yes |
| 17:35.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, now it finds how I tell you about the grep |
| 17:35.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, typo in 'themill' :) |
| 17:35.55 | qq- | CutMeOwnThroat , *themill |
| 17:36.01 | xuser | I was just using grep but knew aptitude had something for this |
| 17:36.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | in deed |
| 17:37.08 | jordanm | CutMeOwnThroat: of course his client died less than 20min ago |
| 17:37.26 | xuser | peterS: I must have missed that option '~S', didn't understand it well |
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| 17:37.51 | e-anima | when you do aptitude search php5- , you see all php5 pakackes, sadly i can not do aptitude install php5* |
| 17:37.55 | peterS | xuser: yeah, apparently it constrains the next two arguments to refer to the _same_ version of a package |
| 17:38.05 | e-anima | any ideas or do i need to type every package |
| 17:38.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | jordanm, doh, and I zipped my 250MB #Debian log yesterday :) |
| 17:38.22 | mati75 | I have a question |
| 17:38.29 | mati75 | know some of the debian installer live cd? |
| 17:38.50 | jordanm | mati75: the debian installer is not a livecd, and vice-versa |
| 17:39.05 | mati75 | I know |
| 17:39.19 | mati75 | but weakly build have errors since 5 weeks |
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| 17:40.36 | xae8koo | Where is the grub boot thing list? |
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| 17:41.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | jordanm, hmm, I found this gem: <themill> aptitude search '?narrow(?not(?archive(^[^n].+$)),?version(CURRENT))' |
| 17:41.32 | themill | !not available |
| 17:41.32 | dpkg | To get a list of packages that are not available from any repository in your sources.list: aptitude search '?narrow(?not(?archive("^[^n][^o].*$")),?version(CURRENT))' |
| 17:41.36 | jordanm | CutMeOwnThroat: looks about right |
| 17:41.39 | e-anima | the following packages are corrupted/broken: ... |
| 17:41.41 | e-anima | tf? |
| 17:41.45 | e-anima | wtf? |
| 17:41.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | jordanm, looks about right for... just about anything? :) |
| 17:41.52 | xuser | regex abuse :) |
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| 17:41.59 | e-anima | i did an apt-cache search.. |
| 17:42.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | themill, there you are! enlighten us, someone asked about the aptitude search for installed bpo packages again! |
| 17:42.13 | e-anima | and try to install from original source/stable |
| 17:42.15 | jordanm | themill: we were debating the "find all installed packages from backports" that you came up with a solution for last week |
| 17:42.18 | themill | !bpo list |
| 17:42.19 | dpkg | To get a list of all the packages you have installed from backports.org: aptitude search '?narrow(?version(CURRENT),?origin(backports.org))' -F'%100p'. Also ask me about <which repo>. |
| 17:42.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | \o/ |
| 17:42.27 | jordanm | CutMeOwnThroat: hehe, yeah, I recall it being a rather confusing (for me) command |
| 17:42.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | I even got the right line with garbled crap :) |
| 17:42.43 | e-anima | hmmm |
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| 17:42.58 | jordanm | !tell e-anima about bat |
| 17:43.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh no, I didn't... it just looks all the same to me! |
| 17:43.12 | themill | sometimes you're not sure if it was the irc form of line noise or not.... |
| 17:43.24 | sidh | do you see my previous question as cut ? |
| 17:43.29 | e-anima | q |
| 17:43.37 | sidh | (maybe it's too long) |
| 17:43.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | xuser, ^^^^^^ |
| 17:44.02 | xuser | CutMeOwnThroat: yeah saw it, thanks |
| 17:44.26 | xuser | peterS's solution works too <aptitude '~S ~i ~Vbpo' |
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| 17:44.32 | sidh | i used debian.mentor sources and patches for having the 0.8.6 version of lirc, but once the deb packages are installed , it fails on startup because it tries to load the modules from /lib/modules/2.6.32-5-686/kernel/ubuntu/lirc/ (that doesn't exist on debian) |
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| 17:44.43 | sidh | do youthink i should create that directories and re create the .deb ? |
| 17:45.09 | e-anima | http://paste.debian.net/78392/ |
| 17:45.11 | e-anima | i did this |
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| 17:45.49 | e-anima | i could ignor athat and install...but im interested in "why is it marked broken" |
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| 17:46.14 | themill | xuser: that's because ~S is the same as ?narrrow, you're just relying on the ~bpoXY convention from backports.org. |
| 17:46.31 | abrotman | e-anima: put your sources.list in a pastebin |
| 17:46.34 | xuser | ofcourse 'aptitude '~S ~i ~Vbpo' doesn't bring up the package debian-backports-keyring :D |
| 17:46.56 | themill | quite! |
| 17:47.17 | magyar_ | hi, in SVR4 i used to have a command to reset the OS to factory, is there a command like it in Debian? |
| 17:47.23 | e-anima | qhttp://paste.debian.net/78393/ |
| 17:47.24 | xuser | themill: change it to use the short form :) |
| 17:47.30 | e-anima | standard lenny install, no changes |
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| 17:48.15 | jordanm | sidh: I have seen the lirc discussion come up before. from what I understand, someone needs to push the package into "orphaned" status so that someone else can pick it up and package the new version |
| 17:48.31 | jordanm | sidh: as far as getting it for youself, your best off compiling the real sources IMO |
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| 17:49.41 | e-anima | abrotman posted, and now? |
| 17:50.05 | sidh | yes but from source , the init.d/lirc is buggy |
| 17:50.17 | sidh | i didn't succes to trouble shoot it |
| 17:51.01 | jordanm | e-anima: you lack a main repo |
| 17:51.28 | e-anima | hmm, damned, that is the standard debian cd. whick one i lack? |
| 17:52.07 | jordanm | e-anima: the primary repo... you only have volatile and security |
| 17:52.07 | qq- | !sources |
| 17:52.08 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian lenny main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <lenny security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 17:52.11 | themill | xuser: personally, I find ?narrow(a,b) more readable that '~S a b' as it clearly shows you what is being narrowed. It looks hideous though.... but at least ?narrow does what it says on the tin where as ~S is short for ___? |
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| 17:52.32 | xuser | themill: true |
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| 17:52.43 | sidh | now the .deb I just created has generated a lirc script, as the compile from source generate good modules places, maybe i should do a mix, backup the lirc init.d script, deinstall lirc (installed from ubuntu .deb) and re install from sources ... let's go |
| 17:52.47 | e-anima | i know how to edit the sources list. i meant the name of the deb server |
| 17:52.56 | xuser | ~S is just more compact |
| 17:52.57 | apt | ...but s is already something else... |
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| 17:52.59 | themill | xuser: but yeah, the syntax is obscure at best. |
| 17:53.06 | themill | apt: shaddup |
| 17:53.07 | apt | fine, be that way! |
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| 17:53.34 | qq- | e-anima, read above at sources.. |
| 17:53.55 | e-anima | ah i know why. if you only chose basic system thsi %%&()3 kicks out the server |
| 17:54.23 | magyar_ | is there a "sys-unconfig" for debian? |
| 17:54.44 | jordanm | magyar_: what would it do? |
| 17:55.26 | xuser | themill: what does 'current' means in ?version ? |
| 17:55.32 | Bushmills | as most config are kept in /etc and below, keeping a copy of that dir would allow you to fall back to old/original config files easily |
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| 17:55.56 | magyar_ | jordanm, reset the system to factory (name password etc) |
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| 17:56.23 | jordanm | magyar_: no |
| 17:56.28 | Bushmills | isn't simpy installing a fresh system easy enough? |
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| 17:59.15 | abrotman | e-anima: did you get it figured out? |
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| 17:59.24 | abrotman | e-anima: you're missing the main source |
| 17:59.33 | abrotman | gives damog some whiskas |
| 17:59.36 | e-anima | solves it |
| 17:59.42 | e-anima | jep i understoof |
| 17:59.52 | e-anima | i overread lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian lenny main |
| 17:59.57 | e-anima | thx |
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| 18:00.49 | e-anima | you ever had a 32 broken pipe error, thats why i reinstall everything |
| 18:00.59 | e-anima | i found no fix for that apache error |
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| 18:02.53 | damog | gives abrotman some whiskey |
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| 18:03.41 | abrotman | woohgurugugule |
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| 18:06.39 | jordanm | e-anima: did you bug report it? |
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| 18:07.40 | e-anima | jordanm hmm the solutions in the web did not work. it was my !knowledge i think. im not skilled enough and did something wrong i think |
| 18:07.54 | e-anima | but finding that takes more time than making all from scratch again |
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| 18:10.47 | r3m | Hi, I have no entry for cdrom in fstab. I did mount -r -t iso9660 /dev/cdrom /cdrom but don't work |
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| 18:11.34 | streuner | r3m: apt-cdrom add ? |
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| 18:12.13 | r3m | its an audio cd |
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| 18:12.51 | streuner | r3m: hm, you dont mount audio cds |
| 18:12.52 | izem4mazigh | hi everybody |
| 18:13.00 | jordanm | r3m: what error did you get? |
| 18:13.08 | jordanm | streuner: what else do you do with them? |
| 18:13.11 | HakanBey_ | i am using lenny . although i perform all steps at the wiki ( http://wiki.debian.org/iwlagn ), i couldn't install wi fi driver. please helllpppp :) |
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| 18:13.30 | r3m | streuner so where should i see the content of my cd |
| 18:14.00 | streuner | r3m: in an audio player with CDDB? |
| 18:14.04 | jordanm | HakanBey_: what does uname -r say? |
| 18:14.20 | r3m | streuner cdparanoia do not see anything |
| 18:14.39 | HakanBey_ | please wait for a moment i am looking |
| 18:14.45 | jordanm | streuner: the CD still needs to be mounted |
| 18:14.46 | izem4mazigh | I have a problem with my Squeeze after upgrading. I've no more sound but the beep |
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| 18:15.05 | streuner | r3m: well, keep in mind in linux you need a cable from your soundcard to the CDROM in able to listen |
| 18:15.15 | jordanm | !tell izem4mazigh about moving target\ |
| 18:15.16 | jordanm | !tell izem4mazigh about moving target |
| 18:15.38 | r3m | streuner: Igot that |
| 18:15.46 | jordanm | streuner: in 1995? |
| 18:16.08 | izem4mazigh | jordanm I don't understand what to tell about moving target |
| 18:16.11 | macrobat | i'd like to setup a wireshark group. if i run wireshark as a user, i have no rights to eth0. if i run it as root i get warning msgs. |
| 18:16.28 | streuner | r3m: good, you need the right entry in /etc/fstab then |
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| 18:16.35 | themill | xuser: http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s03s05.html#searchTermVersion |
| 18:16.35 | izem4mazigh | does it mean to go somewhere else ?? |
| 18:16.36 | jordanm | izem4mazigh: you got a pm from dpkg, welcome to testing |
| 18:16.47 | r3m | streuner: why? to mount the cd? |
| 18:17.00 | izem4mazigh | thanks jordanm |
| 18:17.01 | jordanm | r3m: what error do you get when you attempt to mount? |
| 18:17.07 | r3m | streuner: so audio cd is mounted? |
| 18:17.50 | jordanm | you should note that some GUI mounting utilities throw a fit if you do not mount a cdrom to /media/* |
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| 18:18.24 | macrobat | izem4mazigh: as a testing user you are expected to ask more specific questions |
| 18:18.31 | barmagnet | Is there any tool (I'll call it x) such that: cat foo.c | x or x foo.c will print the C program with syntax highlighting? |
| 18:18.37 | izem4mazigh | Hello ev'rybody, I've a problem with my Squeeze. I've no sound. When I check /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf, almost all modules are set with -2 index |
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| 18:18.58 | macrobat | :D |
| 18:19.02 | valdyn | barmagnet: google? |
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| 18:19.23 | HakanBey | jordam : 2.6.26-2-686 |
| 18:19.42 | izem4mazigh | rhe beep is active so I think the soundcard is recognized but when I try to use VLC or watch a video on Iceweasel I've no sound |
| 18:19.55 | valdyn | barmagnet: source-highlight - convert source code to syntax highlighted document |
| 18:20.08 | jordanm | HakanBey: looks like you didn't get very far through that guide |
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| 18:21.29 | jordanm | HakanBey: did you have any trouble specifically with steps 1-4? |
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| 18:22.42 | HakanBey | i could perform first three steps |
| 18:23.26 | HakanBey | with no error |
| 18:23.33 | jordanm | HakanBey: the 4th was to reboot |
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| 18:24.23 | jordanm | HakanBey: echo /boot/vmlinuz-* |
| 18:24.24 | themill | HakanBey: can you pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy ; aptitude search ~nlinux-image" |
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| 18:24.29 | izem4mazigh | So nobody can help me ? :,( |
| 18:24.49 | HakanBey | ok please wait |
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| 18:25.12 | jordanm | izem4mazigh: I can recommend the BTS and: |
| 18:25.19 | jordanm | !tell izem4mazigh about alsa checklist |
| 18:25.57 | jordanm | izem4mazigh: I am sure the alsa team wouldn't mind feedback about the upgrade breaking sound |
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| 18:30.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | meh, that was weird - X crashed, and after restart came up with a resolution my monitor can't display |
| 18:30.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | and now I've got a too-low resolution |
| 18:31.02 | streuner | sounds like sid |
| 18:31.20 | streuner | but X isnt updated lately? |
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| 18:31.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's not |
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| 18:31.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | I'm still on lenny |
| 18:31.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | mostly :) |
| 18:32.00 | streuner | oh |
| 18:32.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd versions xorg |
| 18:32.02 | judd | xorg -- etch: 1:7.1.0-19; lenny: 1:7.3+20; sid: 1:7.5+6; squeeze: 1:7.5+6 |
| 18:32.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | wrong package |
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| 18:33.00 | HakanBey | jordarm : Package files: |
| 18:33.01 | HakanBey | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:33.01 | HakanBey | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:33.01 | HakanBey | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:33.01 | HakanBey | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:33.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd versions xserver-xorg |
| 18:33.09 | judd | xserver-xorg -- etch: 1:7.1.0-19; lenny: 1:7.3+20; sid: 1:7.5+6; squeeze: 1:7.5+6 |
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| 18:33.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah... 1:7.3+20 |
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| 18:35.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | any way to find out HorizSync and VertRefresh values when google doesn't find your monitor? |
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| 18:35.42 | jelly | CutMeOwnThroat: ask the vendor. |
| 18:35.49 | themill | dpkg: tell HakanBey about paste |
| 18:35.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | I could swear though those didn't change... |
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| 18:36.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually, I also started X in that resolution and ran xrandr on a console to switch to 800x600 or so... which made gdm restart |
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| 18:37.08 | tharkun | CutMeOwnThroat: restart gdm it should kill the X server and respawn it |
| 18:37.15 | jelly | CutMeOwnThroat: yeah xrandr while X isn't active can be fun. Also try running 3D apps |
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| 18:38.15 | ashkan_ | any body from iran? |
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| 18:38.38 | tharkun | !tell ashkan_ about ask |
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| 18:40.10 | tharkun | !tell ashkan_ about ask |
| 18:41.05 | ashkan_ | what is debian? |
| 18:41.19 | e-anima | uh |
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| 18:41.33 | tharkun | !tell ashkan_ about debian |
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| 18:41.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly, it was active - I logged in blindly and then ran xrander from the console... which seemed to kill X |
| 18:42.12 | ashkan_ | why debian?! |
| 18:42.24 | jordanm | !why debian |
| 18:42.25 | dpkg | Debian strives to maintain your freedom whilst also paying close attention to the technical aspects of making a great OS. Debian is stable, upgradable and well tested. See also http://www.debian.org/intro/free http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ (archived at http://wiki.debian.org/WhyDebian). As an added bonus, you get to ask questions in #debian. |
| 18:42.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly, argh... http://support.dell.com/support/edocs/monitors/E2009W/en\index.htm clicking on the guides leads you to a nice iis file-not found... neat! |
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| 18:43.11 | tharkun | CutMeOwnThroat: dell sucks |
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| 18:43.47 | ashkan_ | is debian for server? |
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| 18:43.57 | jelly | CutMeOwnThroat: a recent LCD monitor like that ought to have working DDC |
| 18:44.11 | jordanm | ashkan_: its for anything you can install a computer OS on |
| 18:44.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm |
| 18:44.18 | jelly | tharkun: I have a rather excellent Dell monitor with S-IPS matrix |
| 18:44.21 | tharkun | ashkan_: take a look at the url dpkg told you. There are lots of information there. And yes it can work on a server |
| 18:44.35 | streuner | ashkan_: well, many people use it for servers and many developers, but you can use it as Destop System too. |
| 18:44.46 | tharkun | jelly: Ask weasel about dell, ask bja about dell I try to avoid it at all costs |
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| 18:45.26 | ashkan_ | now i have a very idiot question, debian or red hat?! |
| 18:45.41 | tharkun | ashkan_: comunity or enterprise support ? |
| 18:45.43 | streuner | it is :-/ |
| 18:45.47 | streuner | we are in #debian... |
| 18:45.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly, yes... how does that work? I'm getting warnings like: (WW) Open ACPI failed (/var/run/acpid.socket) (No such file or directory) |
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| 18:46.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | is that somehow done via acip? |
| 18:46.09 | jelly | ashkan_: your own work or $1200 a year for RHN updates? |
| 18:46.15 | jelly | CutMeOwnThroat: that's irrelevant |
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| 18:46.27 | sorsis | ashkan_: you could allso think of solaris, ubuntu or suse. |
| 18:46.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | how would ddc work/fail then |
| 18:46.53 | jelly | CutMeOwnThroat: analog or digital connection? Which video card? Which debian release? |
| 18:47.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | nvidia/analog/lenny |
| 18:47.14 | jelly | CutMeOwnThroat: it depends on the drivers; free drivers suck more in this regards |
| 18:47.37 | streuner | CutMeOwnThroat: the questions is rather to me, why the hell its not working now... |
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| 18:47.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | (WW) NVIDIA(GPU-0): Unable to read EDID for display device CRT-0 |
| 18:47.56 | ashkan_ | many people on net belive debian is best! i want to know why? redhat fans belive it is the best |
| 18:47.59 | streuner | CutMeOwnThroat: it did work before? |
| 18:48.00 | jelly | CutMeOwnThroat: if you have another machine (with a different card), try connecting it there |
| 18:48.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | that might be why it can't detect resolution? |
| 18:48.38 | jelly | CutMeOwnThroat: that's when it says it couldn't read it relevant data off the monitor, yes |
| 18:49.10 | jelly | CutMeOwnThroat: if you have a livecd with a newer release of xorg, try that |
| 18:49.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | shouldn't matter when I supply correct HorizSync and VertRefresh in xorg.conf, though - which I thought I had... up till now |
| 18:49.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | but heck, it worked until today... |
| 18:50.05 | jelly | CutMeOwnThroat: did you suspend/resume the machine? |
| 18:50.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps I tried something out and didn't revert... but don't think so |
| 18:50.08 | streuner | and you updated with security updates, just a wild guess? |
| 18:50.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | no |
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| 18:50.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | no! |
| 18:50.19 | streuner | strange |
| 18:50.22 | jelly | sux 2 b u |
| 18:50.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | I normally don't want to log out, so I don't update X :) |
| 18:50.34 | themill | dpkg: tell jelly about u |
| 18:50.41 | themill | hides behind abrotman |
| 18:50.48 | jelly | themill: what about 2 or b or sux? |
| 18:50.52 | tharkun | !coffee themill |
| 18:50.54 | dpkg | decants a fine brew of organic Jamaican Blue Mountain for themill, courtesy of tharkun |
| 18:51.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah... themill you need more factoids :) |
| 18:51.05 | themill | jelly: just a minute while I make factoids for them.... :) |
| 18:51.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 18:51.12 | sorsis | ashkan_: debian has huge package repository. |
| 18:51.23 | jelly | dpkg, u =~ s/Damnit/Dammit/ |
| 18:51.24 | dpkg | jelly: cannot alter locked factoids |
| 18:51.28 | ashkan_ | i know over 25000 |
| 18:51.29 | jelly | dammit. |
| 18:51.36 | abrotman | yay! |
| 18:51.56 | jelly | ashkan_: that's over 9000! |
| 18:52.14 | andrewm659 | has anyone successfully setup a chrooted ssh server? i'm trying to do more research on it, i keep coming up empty-handed |
| 18:52.39 | cire | What is your preferred chess game in debian? I am a beginner, so adjustable KI skill would be nice |
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| 18:52.44 | cire | don't need fance 3D stuff |
| 18:52.49 | isfranc | hello, with fail2ban is possible to have the current ban ip in bash variable ??? |
| 18:52.51 | cire | s/fance/fancy |
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| 18:53.14 | tharkun | cire: apt-cache search chess, it should give you quite a lot of choices |
| 18:53.15 | ashkan_ | in debian.org the seccond paragraph: Debian GNU/Linux provides more than a pure OS: it comes with over 25000 packages, precompiled software bundled up in a nice format for easy installation on your machine. |
| 18:53.23 | streuner | cire: there is one engine in Linux, IIRC |
| 18:54.21 | qq- | dpkg, dstats lenny |
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| 18:54.50 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on lenny... 22961 packages, 1933 maintainers, 59139 MB installed size, 20843 MB compressed size. |
| 18:55.00 | tharkun | Is fetchmail recomended over getmail? If not which one works best on a server environment? |
| 18:55.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly, seems so |
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| 18:57.14 | themill | isfranc: what are you really trying to accomplish here |
| 18:59.11 | thomas__ | there are no command irc for that ? isfranc |
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| 19:01.04 | tharkun | isfranc: man iptables |less '+/ recent' |
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| 19:01.58 | sidh | ok it seems compiling lirc from latest stable release and start the service works |
| 19:02.04 | sidh | but when i reboot and run mode2 -r -d /dev/lirc0, nothing happens when i press remote buttons |
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| 19:04.18 | jelly | tharkun: uh, doesn't man start a pager by default |
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| 19:05.34 | rudi_s | jelly: Not in this case. Only the second less is used. |
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| 19:06.11 | rudi_s | jelly: Try man man > test; also doesn't start a pager if the output isn't a terminal. |
| 19:06.31 | ashkan720 | jelly, debin is better or redhat? |
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| 19:06.42 | jelly | ashkan720: I use them both. |
| 19:06.59 | ashkan720 | what you prefer? |
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| 19:07.52 | jelly | ashkan720: they're used for different purposes. When a vendor says "you have to use RHEL or SLES with this app", RHEL is used. |
| 19:08.03 | jelly | ashkan720: else it's Debian |
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| 19:20.27 | hotwings | when using `debuild binary` to build a debian package, is it possible to set CONFIGURE_OPTIONS on the same line? im trying to avoid having to hand edit "CONFIGURE_OPTIONS=" in debian/rules every time |
| 19:21.09 | abrotman | i don't tihnk it is |
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| 19:23.16 | hotwings | i was told it is but the person who said it would provide an example so im hoping to come across someone who knows without a doubt one way or the other |
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| 19:24.30 | abrotman | i would say just to try it and see |
| 19:25.09 | abrotman | should be pretty easy to determine |
| 19:25.39 | pseubodot | afternoon abrotman |
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| 19:26.26 | kdas | hey all |
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| 19:28.20 | kdas | I have a squezze debian box fresh and i install hostapd and configured it to use wpa2 but my computers only connect to it for a 5-10mins then disc and reconnect then after some time it just disconnects us and leaves us like that. I switched it to wep and so far so good been up for half the day so far but what is wrong with wpa2? i followed the guide from linuxwireless hostapd |
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| 19:28.59 | kdas | oh the card is a dir 522 |
| 19:29.01 | kdas | atheros based |
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| 19:29.06 | jordanm | !tell kdas about bts |
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| 19:29.56 | niteye | i need a package that is newer than the debian repo offers, what's the best thing to do, make sure i can compile and compile my program from source or enable third party repositories? |
| 19:30.04 | abrotman | hiya pseubodot |
| 19:30.05 | kdas | jordanm: dont you think that is a little immature and inconsiderate to developers to tell people to go file a bug when you havent even tried to fix the problem ? |
| 19:30.20 | kdas | niteye: APT pinning (google) |
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| 19:31.26 | jordanm | kdas: personally, I check for existing bugs for a dive into hours long troubleshooting sessions |
| 19:31.36 | jordanm | s/for/before/ |
| 19:32.06 | kdas | jordanm: i already searched google for bugs/fixes before i came here |
| 19:32.14 | AimHere | Read buglist. If no bug, troubleshoot. If troubleshoot not work, file bug |
| 19:32.15 | jordanm | google is not the BTS |
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| 19:32.36 | kdas | just so i would not have to deal with people like you who have condescending attitude |
| 19:32.59 | pseubodot | is it common to get "Hash Sum mismatch" errors when downloading packages? I seem to be getting them more and more these days ... |
| 19:33.10 | AimHere | I don't think he's so much condescending as terse. |
| 19:33.46 | AimHere | He's imparting the correct information without dressing it up in much excess verbiage. |
| 19:34.52 | qq- | !tell kdas about testing |
| 19:35.13 | kdas | qq-: same problem on stable |
| 19:35.19 | ADJames | I have a regular bat file that has linux compans such s "tar" nothing like a shell script. I place it in the cron.daily file but it wont run it. any thoughts? |
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| 19:36.03 | kdas | ADJames: bat file? |
| 19:36.14 | jordanm | ADJames: what did you expect to happen? wth is a "regular bat file" that is "nothing like a shell script" |
| 19:36.15 | SweetMax | ^^ |
| 19:36.19 | kdas | ADJames: make it a script and make sure it is executavle |
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| 19:37.07 | jordanm | ADJames: if you can manually run the exectuable, you can't expect cron to be able to |
| 19:37.08 | SweetMax | bat script under linux... haha that was funny :) |
| 19:37.08 | ADJames | well not a bat file.. just a file |
| 19:37.17 | ADJames | lol |
| 19:37.18 | jordanm | ADJames: containing what? |
| 19:37.26 | ADJames | literally just a tar and mysqldump command |
| 19:37.33 | ADJames | i can run it manually as root. |
| 19:37.44 | ADJames | Should I not be able too/ |
| 19:37.47 | Tramp | ADJames: what's the name of this file? |
| 19:37.50 | kdas | ADJames: yeamake it ascript |
| 19:37.56 | kdas | and do a chmod +x on it |
| 19:38.00 | jordanm | ADJames: does it have a proper shebang (#!/bin/foo) line? |
| 19:38.01 | SweetMax | so what you need? database dump and tar? |
| 19:38.01 | ADJames | it has no extention |
| 19:38.04 | ADJames | yes. |
| 19:38.09 | acu | hey guys are there any usb 2.0 monitoring tools - I want to make 3 usb webcams work in one application - I can use them in three different applications - but if I try to open in one - only one works - I think is about how the usb is accessed |
| 19:38.26 | jordanm | ADJames: executables in *nix typically do not have extensions, so that is normal |
| 19:38.50 | jordanm | ADJames: check /etc/crontab and make sure you have anacron installed |
| 19:38.58 | lindi- | acu: what are the applications? |
| 19:38.58 | valdyn | acu: usb has nothing to do with that, usb is a different layer |
| 19:39.38 | lindi- | acu: and what are the webcams? |
| 19:39.57 | SweetMax | ADJames, try this one |
| 19:39.59 | SweetMax | #!/usr/bin/perl |
| 19:40.00 | SweetMax | ($Second, $Minute, $Hour, $Day, $Month, $Year, $WeekDay, $DayOfYear, $IsDST) = localtime(time) ; |
| 19:40.00 | SweetMax | $Year += 1900 ; $Month += 1; |
| 19:40.00 | SweetMax | $dt = sprintf("clientsdb_%04d%02d%02d.sql", $Year, $Month, $Day, ) ; |
| 19:40.00 | SweetMax | exec "/usr/bin/mysqldump --opt -hlocalhost -uUSER -pPASSWORD DB |gzip > /home/backup/DB/$dt.gz"; |
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| 19:40.32 | SweetMax | sorry bout the flood |
| 19:40.53 | qq- | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:41.04 | acu | lindi: tried a bunch of cameras - same result - I am pretty sure that is how usb is managed by the application - applications - ekiga, zoneminder, cheese |
| 19:41.04 | SweetMax | ADJames, but its a perl script |
| 19:41.11 | e-anima | lol again everything borken |
| 19:41.13 | jordanm | SweetMax: you shouldn't put your password in the mysql dump line |
| 19:41.19 | valdyn | acu: applications dont manage usb |
| 19:41.35 | jordanm | SweetMax: see /usr/share/doc/mysql-server-5.0/ls |
| 19:41.55 | jordanm | SweetMax: see /usr/share/doc/mysql-server-5.0/README.Debian.gz; section: passwords |
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| 19:42.10 | jhutchins_lt | SweetMax: Actually, the concept of batch files is way older than DOS. |
| 19:42.21 | SweetMax | dump without a password? |
| 19:42.24 | valdyn | acu: maybe ask the app developer would it cant deal with 3 cams |
| 19:42.33 | e-anima | !tell e-anima about localized errors |
| 19:42.34 | valdyn | acu: maybe ask the app developer *why* it cant deal with 3 cams |
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| 19:42.40 | jordanm | SweetMax: you use the password, just not in a manor that the world can see it with "ps" |
| 19:42.42 | isfranc | hello i have a very user in irssi when i can close this console . ? |
| 19:42.46 | valdyn | acu: but we can hardly know when you dont tell us the app |
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| 19:43.17 | SweetMax | jordanm, i think they can see only XXXXX |
| 19:43.23 | lindi- | valdyn: he listed ekiga, zoneminder and cheese above |
| 19:43.38 | isfranc | help me bad user flood my irssi |
| 19:43.47 | valdyn | im surprised ekiga even does 2 cams |
| 19:43.48 | Lars| | jordanm, he is right, it will be listed as XXXXX within ps aux |
| 19:43.49 | SweetMax | not sure but anyways, im using grsecurity and then cannot see othe ps'es |
| 19:43.51 | isfranc | it s man like child |
| 19:43.53 | e-anima | http://pastebin.com/h54ByHhk |
| 19:43.55 | e-anima | so again |
| 19:44.00 | jordanm | SweetMax: I have seen rewrites like that for other things, but afaik, not for mysql, which is my a method using ~/.my.cnf is used |
| 19:44.10 | e-anima | i installed wrong php version and so i did aptitude remove ... |
| 19:44.19 | e-anima | and again now i can not install the correkt one |
| 19:45.23 | valdyn | lindi-: im not sure if I understand him right, but he seems to be trying to use 3 cams in apps that are only made for a single cam |
| 19:45.52 | isfranc | how i can kill private chat in irssi ????????? |
| 19:46.02 | jordanm | e-anima: it looks like you went back to the same release mixing that screwed you the first time |
| 19:46.08 | jordanm | e-anima: you are running squeeze again |
| 19:46.11 | valdyn | isfranc: /window close |
| 19:46.34 | e-anima | yes i installed php from squeeze. |
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| 19:46.38 | e-anima | and the unsinatlled it again |
| 19:46.43 | jhutchins_lt | e-anima: Do a clean install of lenny and STAY WITH LENNY. |
| 19:46.47 | jordanm | e-anima: stop doing that |
| 19:46.58 | jhutchins_lt | e-anima: DO NOT MIX PACKAGES, A BROKEN SYSTEM IS THE EXPECTED RESULT. |
| 19:47.04 | isfranc | thanks valdyn , i have a pedo users in my chat |
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| 19:47.58 | bleeber | if you want a newer version of php, install it from source |
| 19:48.09 | SweetMax | jordanm, maybe your way is a better, thanks for the advice, but i just done it by lame and easiest way :) |
| 19:48.23 | SweetMax | but ill check it out |
| 19:48.26 | SweetMax | thx |
| 19:48.46 | e-anima | i did that because x-senfile was only avaliable in squeeze |
| 19:49.09 | e-anima | and then forgot to comment it out |
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| 19:57.52 | isfranc | valdyn: ok thanks |
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| 19:58.47 | jhutchins_lt | e-anima: It doesn't matter, it's still wrong. |
| 19:59.22 | jhutchins_lt | e-anima: Use backports or ssb, do NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM A DIFFERENT RELEASE! |
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| 20:00.17 | eptalon | heyas, is kernel 2.6.34 in sid usable yet? |
| 20:00.34 | jhutchins_lt | ,kernels |
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| 20:00.36 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.34-1-686 (2.6.34-1~experimental.2); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-15); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-15); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-15~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-22lenny1); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
| 20:01.28 | jordanm | its not in sid, so I would say no |
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| 20:02.24 | d-snp | hey, my apt-get wants to install a bunch of packages I selected either, how do I make it not want to install those anymore? |
| 20:02.29 | eptalon | jordanm: Any timeframe? |
| 20:02.45 | jordanm | d-snp: selected "either"? |
| 20:03.01 | themill | eptalon: not until after the squeeze release, unless the kernel team suddenly changes their mind |
| 20:03.07 | jordanm | eptalon: no way for me to know. I do assume there is no rush though, since AFAIK .32 is planned for the next release |
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| 20:03.13 | d-snp | wtf |
| 20:03.18 | valdyn | eptalon: it could be ok already, but there might not get a new kernek into sid before squeeze release is over |
| 20:03.21 | d-snp | where did the word either come from :P |
| 20:03.29 | d-snp | ah |
| 20:03.34 | d-snp | s/either/earlier |
| 20:03.35 | d-snp | sorry :P |
| 20:03.40 | d-snp | thinko or something |
| 20:05.34 | jordanm | d-snp: what do you mean by selected? selected in aptitude? |
| 20:05.39 | d-snp | if I do apt-get install without any further parameters it has a bunch of packages it wants to install |
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| 20:05.54 | d-snp | no, I just used apt-get |
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| 20:06.16 | jordanm | d-snp: what was the command you used? |
| 20:06.36 | d-snp | apt-get install some_packages |
| 20:06.37 | d-snp | that failed |
| 20:06.50 | d-snp | and now whenever I type apt-get install it still wants to install those packages |
| 20:06.58 | d-snp | which have some weird conflict with jre |
| 20:07.10 | eptalon | did I miss something? |
| 20:07.16 | valdyn | d-snp: so you have partially installed packages |
| 20:07.16 | d-snp | oh wait the first package I tried installing with dpkg |
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| 20:07.19 | jordanm | d-snp: pastebin: apt-cache policy; aptitude -s install -f |
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| 20:08.21 | massctrl | hi, when I do "iostat -p" I get tps as a value, ... when I do "iostat -p -x" not anymore, ... I suppose one can calculate the tps value with the values returned by the -x switch, .... anyone knows? |
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| 20:09.34 | d-snp | jordanm: https://pastee.org/ceqkg |
| 20:09.39 | d-snp | I don't have aptitude installed |
| 20:09.54 | d-snp | ( and I can't install it since I'm in this weird situation with apt-get :P) |
| 20:09.56 | jordanm | d-snp: its installed by default... |
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| 20:10.11 | d-snp | hmm then my path is off or something |
| 20:10.17 | d-snp | I didn't configure this machine sadly |
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| 20:10.47 | d-snp | hmm no it's just not installed :P |
| 20:10.47 | jordanm | d-snp: apt-get -s install -f |
| 20:11.12 | jordanm | d-snp: it is part of a base install, I can see how it would be missing on an upgrade from etch, which did not have it in the base install |
| 20:12.02 | eptalon | is zfs-fuse worth trying, over for example xfs/lvm/mdadm? |
| 20:12.41 | jordanm | its a userspace driver, so you can't have it as /boot or / |
| 20:12.51 | d-snp | https://pastee.org/wh9z <-- list goes on |
| 20:13.10 | d-snp | I don't want to install all those packages at all :P |
| 20:13.11 | eptalon | jordanm: was thinking about /home |
| 20:13.57 | e-anima | !sources |
| 20:13.57 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian lenny main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <lenny security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
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| 20:14.58 | jordanm | d-snp: aptitude why daemon |
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| 20:15.03 | jordanm | crap... |
| 20:15.58 | d-snp | :P |
| 20:16.10 | d-snp | can't I like rm some horrible temp file somewhere? |
| 20:16.20 | jordanm | d-snp: manually fetch aptitude and see if it will install with dpkg without depends issues: http://packages.debian.org/lenny/aptitude |
| 20:16.43 | d-snp | btw daemon was one of the packages the deb file depended on |
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| 20:17.25 | jordanm | d-snp: right, likely what is going on is that you have a broken package, and those listed are needed to "fix" it. this is typical of poor-quality upstream packages |
| 20:17.31 | Uther_P | ok I have tried everything I can think of here: I have just installed lenny on an acer aspire z5600. the install went fine, but the kernel keeps panicing with a VFS error, unable to mount unknown-block(0,0). I have rebuilt the kernel, compiling in just about every disk controller drivers and made the initrd to no avail. The driver is obviously either within the kernel or initrd of the install disk, as it works fine in recovery mode. any ideas? |
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| 20:17.43 | d-snp | heh ok :P |
| 20:18.05 | d-snp | so would just installing all those packages really fix it? I noticed it just kept on collecting packages I tried to apt-get install |
| 20:18.25 | jordanm | d-snp: yes |
| 20:18.35 | jordanm | d-snp: otherwise, we will be removing the broken package |
| 20:18.43 | d-snp | ah well who cares anyway, I'll just install them |
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| 20:19.43 | Uther_P | is there maybe any way to list the modules contained in the initird of the installer? |
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| 20:21.23 | jordanm | Uther_P: after it fails to mount root, does it list available partitions? |
| 20:21.32 | valdyn | Uther_P: why do think it even is the driver? |
| 20:21.42 | sepult | Uther_P: you mean the builtin ones ? or the ones contained in the /etc/initramfs-tools/modules ? |
| 20:22.10 | Uther_P | it has the to which it would list them on... but the list is empty (i.e. no text after the semicolon;) |
| 20:22.17 | jordanm | valdyn: it sounds like it to me, unless he gets a list of available partitions after that error, in that case, his root= in menu.lst is wrong |
| 20:23.01 | Uther_P | sepult: I mean the modules which are in the initrd which is located on the debian net install disc |
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| 20:24.41 | Uther_P | jordanm: I have attempted to edit it, grub auto completes within the () to show only (hd0, [0123]), and the partitions listed are the right ones on the drive |
| 20:25.12 | jordanm | Uther_P: after it fails to mount root, does it list available partitions? |
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| 20:25.23 | Uther_P | on the kernel line, root=/dev/sda1, which, when booted up in rescue mode, is the correct path to the root partition |
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| 20:26.00 | Uther_P | jordanm: no... it prints the line where it should list them... but the "list" is blank |
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| 20:27.07 | jordanm | Uther_P: then it is a lack of driver |
| 20:28.00 | Uther_P | right...so is there a way of knowing which drivers are in the initrd of the net installer disc, so I can know which ones I need to add, I'm coming up blank |
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| 20:28.47 | Uther_P | ...I guess I'd use cpio... I'll try |
| 20:30.09 | karlpinc | Uther_P: Might be best just to get a newer kernel from backports.org. |
| 20:30.14 | eptalon | If I have a setup that uses (Software) RAID5, can I gain much by switching to HW RAID? |
| 20:30.26 | karlpinc | eptalon: Probably not. YMMV. |
| 20:30.39 | eptalon | I currenly get rebuild speeds that are "slow". |
| 20:31.05 | valdyn | eptalon: thats raid5, not the software part |
| 20:31.07 | eptalon | like around 12 hrs to rebuild a 4.5T/3 disk RAID |
| 20:31.42 | valdyn | eptalon: you have slow disks |
| 20:31.49 | karlpinc | eptalon: If it's a problem use raid6. That won't degrade performance while you rebuild. (If I'm remembering right.) |
| 20:31.57 | eptalon | the standard consumer-grade stuff |
| 20:32.08 | valdyn | eptalon: a hardware raid cant fix your disks |
| 20:32.15 | javagamer_ | I updated my path in /etc/profile yet when I make new terminal windows it's not updated, do I need to restart? |
| 20:32.20 | eptalon | meaning about 15-20mb/sec rebuild speed. |
| 20:32.24 | valdyn | eptalon: if you had fast disks then your software raid could be a bottleneck |
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| 20:32.49 | karlpinc | javagamer_: You need to relogin. You can do this with "su - $USER" if you like. |
| 20:32.55 | eptalon | The last ones I had rebuilt at about 50-60MB/sec, but were too small. |
| 20:33.01 | javagamer_ | karlpinc: thanks |
| 20:33.51 | valdyn | eptalon: tells me you have close to 30mb rebuild speed |
| 20:35.07 | valdyn | eptalon: that raid is probably not totally unloaded too |
| 20:35.12 | Digit | bye all |
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| 20:35.21 | eptalon | valdyn: 300GB 24/7 disk, of 5 years ago, vs. current 1.5T consumer disk. |
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| 20:35.52 | valdyn | eptalon: theres 1.5T disks that are slower than 5 year old 300GB disks |
| 20:36.06 | eptalon | I see... |
| 20:36.29 | valdyn | eptalon: rotation is what? 7200 ? 5400? |
| 20:36.47 | eptalon | the 300G drives have/had about 60MB/sec rebuild speed. |
| 20:36.59 | eptalon | valdyn: 7200. |
| 20:37.02 | valdyn | eptalon: 5400 are somewhat common again for large disks |
| 20:37.24 | jordanm | replace with 15k SAS drives? |
| 20:37.40 | valdyn | somehow I doubt that is within his budget |
| 20:37.41 | jelly-home | my 1T disks get around 90MB/s |
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| 20:37.59 | jordanm | 60MB/s sounds about what I expect the disk speed limitation to be |
| 20:38.08 | jordanm | although jelly-home apparently gets 90... |
| 20:38.14 | jelly-home | jordanm: that's for 5yr old ones |
| 20:38.16 | eptalon | jordanm: If only those were affordable. |
| 20:38.38 | valdyn | eptalon: they are no fun if you have to work near them |
| 20:38.44 | valdyn | eptalon: *noisy* |
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| 20:39.10 | jelly-home | jordanm: the newer disks put lot more data on the square mm and spin at the same speed, so naturally -> faster |
| 20:39.17 | eptalon | valdyn: And for the "consumer disks", we are talking 300 bucks vs. 100 bucks, per tera. |
| 20:39.46 | valdyn | eptalon: yea |
| 20:40.29 | eptalon | Maxtor 7V300F0 vs. WDC WD15EARS-00Z5B1 |
| 20:40.43 | eptalon | The maxtor is the 300G one |
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| 20:41.15 | Iran | a qs, how can i add vhost to debian box? do i need to have a domain? |
| 20:41.20 | jelly-home | EARS... is that the 4k sector one |
| 20:41.25 | valdyn | eptalon: theres a bug in linux slowing down new disks with large sectors |
| 20:41.36 | valdyn | jelly-home: nice! |
| 20:41.47 | jelly-home | valdyn: it's not a bug, it's a misconfiguration |
| 20:41.52 | eptalon | valdyn: link to how to circumvent that? |
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| 20:42.02 | valdyn | eptalon: ask jelly-home |
| 20:42.05 | jordanm | Iran: assuming you mean an apache vhost, then yes, each one either needs its own IP, or own FQDN |
| 20:42.07 | mguy | That doesn't sound out of the ordinary for a RAID rebuild |
| 20:42.18 | jelly-home | eptalon: make your partitions 4K aligned |
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| 20:42.28 | valdyn | mguy: should be twice as fast |
| 20:42.34 | Iran | jordanm, how about eggdrop? |
| 20:42.43 | jordanm | Iran: no idea |
| 20:42.52 | eptalon | jelly-home: 36 hrs for rebuilding? |
| 20:42.55 | Iran | jordanmm thanks, |
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| 20:43.32 | jelly-home | eptalon: my 1TB RAID1 rebuilds in 4 hours or so |
| 20:43.33 | Iran | eptalon, i know you are busy, kindly have me in Q-line for my qs plz than |
| 20:43.43 | mguy | jelly-home: he has raid 5 though |
| 20:44.22 | jelly-home | mguy: theoretically shouldn't be much less if the array is idle |
| 20:44.26 | eptalon | Iran: your turn, my discussion is oT. |
| 20:44.41 | mguy | jelly-home: There are more reads and calculations because of parity |
| 20:45.00 | eptalon | mguy: RAID5 ON THE 300G DRIVES TAKES ABOUT 1.5HRS TO REBUILD |
| 20:45.10 | jelly-home | mguy: there aren't any more reads-per-device |
| 20:45.22 | Iran | eptalon, i was wonder how can i add vhost to to my eggdrop at my box |
| 20:45.54 | Iran | a qs, how can i add vhost to debian box? do i need to have a domain? |
| 20:46.18 | valdyn | eptalon: why 36 hours? |
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| 20:46.39 | valdyn | eptalon: build degraded raid - copy data - sync, thats probably 12 |
| 20:47.05 | eptalon | valdyn: take one disk out of the raid, change partition, put it back in (triggers rebuild) |
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| 20:47.26 | valdyn | eptalon: no it does not |
| 20:47.44 | valdyn | eptalon: ( or it does not need to ) |
| 20:48.16 | jelly-home | eptalon: pastebin your /proc/mdstat and sfdisk -d /dev/???? of relevant devices if you're using partitions |
| 20:48.40 | valdyn | eptalon: unless you have no space for that data ... |
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| 20:50.04 | valdyn | eptalon: but even then you could do something funny like copy partition 2 to 3 and 1 to two and assemble degraded and sync just once |
| 20:50.25 | slacker_nl | !tmp |
| 20:50.26 | dpkg | /tmp is a filesystem location, required by the <FHS> to be made available for programs requiring temporary files. Are you running out of space on /tmp? Use the TMPDIR environment variable (e.g. in ~/.bashrc) to specify an alternate directory with available disk space. See also <tmp noexec>. |
| 20:50.37 | slacker_nl | mmm |
| 20:50.49 | jelly-home | mguy: modern cpus or SATA disks still ought not to be the bottleneck in there by far. Involved buses probably. |
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| 20:52.10 | mguy | I've had 500gb raid 1 sata drives take 12 hours to rebuild |
| 20:52.26 | boxxertrumps | whenever i log into kde, all i get is a cursor. i've tried deleting .kde/share/config/plasma entries, but no dice |
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| 20:52.42 | boxxertrumps | i just upgraded ot the latest unstable |
| 20:53.04 | jelly-home | mguy: when in normal/heavy use, sure. But if idle, something was unoptimally configured. |
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| 20:54.09 | xan0 | can anyone help me with the installation of lenny on ppc. it stops when it tries to install yaboot says "The installation of the yaboot boot loader failed. Chgeck /var/log/syslog or see cirtual console 4 for the details." |
| 20:54.21 | xan0 | *virtual |
| 20:54.55 | jordanm | !ppc |
| 20:54.56 | dpkg | [powerpc] PowerPC is a <RISC> architecture (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PowerPC). See "Debian for PowerPC" at http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc . Debian CDs are not (and cannot be made) bootable on OldWorld PowerMacs. Information on proper partitioning is at http://www.alaska.net/~erbenson/doc/mac-fdisk-basics.txt . See also <yaboot>, <quik>, <bootx>. #debianppc on irc.oftc.net and irc.freenode.net. |
| 20:55.10 | jordanm | xan0: I would recommend the ppc channel since yaboot is specific to that arch |
| 20:55.24 | xan0 | yeah I'm ther too thanks |
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| 20:55.35 | eptalon | whoever's interested http://pastebin.com/fG3i1Qtx (the RAID setup) |
| 20:55.42 | djura-san | im off nerds. chat you some other day :) |
| 20:56.12 | boxxertrumps | checks the bug list |
| 20:57.40 | mguy | I wonder if the (new?) drive being of a different firmware revision is affecting it |
| 20:58.08 | eptalon | mguy: sdc is new, sda/sdb are about 6 months old |
| 20:58.17 | mguy | Right, that's what I figured since it was different |
| 20:58.37 | mguy | EARS instead of EADS in the model number as well |
| 20:58.48 | eptalon | sda has a hw issue and will soon go the way of the dodo |
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| 21:01.13 | jelly-home | eptalon: so it's rebuilt already |
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| 21:02.19 | eptalon | jelly-home: took whole day yesterday. |
| 21:02.26 | boxxertrumps | find nothing but sees if installing kde-full will solve it |
| 21:03.21 | jelly-home | eptalon: so I guess you're not up for some testing. |
| 21:03.48 | eptalon | I have about 600Gb of data on md2 |
| 21:04.27 | jelly-home | and you have to reboot to reread the partition tables |
| 21:04.32 | eptalon | jelly-home: setup is md2, lvm, xfs |
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| 21:05.09 | eptalon | rebooting shouldn't be an issue |
| 21:05.19 | jelly-home | was the array idle during rebuild? |
| 21:05.44 | eptalon | except for rebuilding, pretty much so |
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| 21:07.17 | tharkun | jelly-home: yes man starts a pager by default but the line puts you directly on the search string you put onit |
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| 21:08.36 | jelly-home | tharkun: nice |
| 21:08.38 | eptalon | jelly-home: I have about 250G "temp" space available |
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| 21:11.23 | jelly-home | eptalon: do you have enough sectors on that device to make a 1MB offset for the first partition? Why do you use a partition at all when it's just one over the whole device? |
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| 21:12.10 | eptalon | jelly-home: you mean I could dleete the partition, and use sda instead? |
| 21:12.12 | jelly-home | eptalon: in short, is there a positive difference between blockdev --getsize64 /dev/sdc and older disks of at least 1M? |
| 21:12.23 | jelly-home | eptalon: sdc. Yes. |
| 21:13.23 | jelly-home | eptalon: not just delete the partition. fail and remove it from md2, then zero the md superblock on /dev/sdc1, _then_ remove the partition |
| 21:13.37 | jelly-home | but if sda is dying I wouldn't do that |
| 21:13.40 | eptalon | all disks I have have a number of sects divisible by four. |
| 21:14.07 | jelly-home | 8. |
| 21:15.34 | jelly-home | eptalon: pastebin for i in /dev/sd?; do echo $i $(blockdev --getsize64 $i); done |
| 21:16.00 | jelly-home | stupidsfdisk -d doesn't show disk full size |
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| 21:18.09 | eptalon | jelly-home: a,b,c are at 1500301910016, d is at 300090728448 |
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| 21:19.16 | jelly-home | so they're exactly the same and you can't move the partition to sector 64 or even 2048, vista-like |
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| 21:19.46 | eptalon | how do I zero the md superblock? |
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| 21:21.29 | jelly-home | man mdadm and search for... zero.superblock ! |
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| 21:23.14 | eptalon | once this id done I can delete the partition of sdc(1) (device removed?) |
| 21:23.59 | harovali | hi , how can I keep the DISPLAY environment variable through a sudo ? |
| 21:24.26 | Jordan_U | harovali: Use gksudo |
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| 21:25.18 | harovali | Jordan_U: thanks , I'll try that |
| 21:25.20 | e-anima | is there somekind of way to save an actual server config and use it on another server too? |
| 21:25.34 | Jordan_U | harovali: You're welcome. |
| 21:25.37 | eptalon | e-anima: what do you mean by "server config"? |
| 21:26.00 | e-anima | your apache/mysql/tomcat/solr stuff |
| 21:26.16 | e-anima | like a custom all in one package |
| 21:26.38 | eptalon | e-anima: most packages have their config in /etc |
| 21:26.38 | e-anima | i know where the configs are |
| 21:26.46 | e-anima | i mean if i setup another server i can do every processs again. |
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| 21:27.14 | eptalon | simply copy them over, and use dpkg --get-selctions/dpkg --set-selections/apt-get dselect-update? |
| 21:27.17 | e-anima | loading solr/tomcat ..... loading all libs, setting up the configs and startup scripts |
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| 21:27.32 | jelly-home | e-anima: you'll have to figure out exactly what you changed by yourself, then use a favorite archive tool to copy those files and unpack them on the other machine |
| 21:27.57 | e-anima | ok then you would do it like i would. |
| 21:28.10 | jelly-home | e-anima: or set up a golden image machine, then replicate that on every new server |
| 21:28.41 | eptalon | jelly-home: will the whole disk be aligned? |
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| 21:28.50 | lex_ | I need help installing nvidia drivers for my video card. the computer only gives me two resolutions |
| 21:28.58 | jelly-home | eptalon: yes |
| 21:29.03 | jelly-home | eptalon: by definition ;-) |
| 21:29.30 | eptalon | jelly-home: but I need to reboot before re-adding it? |
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| 21:30.44 | eptalon | ok, rebooting |
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| 21:31.38 | jelly-home | "no, you don't" |
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| 21:39.46 | snail | can anyone give me hints how to separate gnu java and sun java in a make file? |
| 21:40.22 | abrotman | how to tell which you're using? |
| 21:40.39 | abrotman | can't you use like java -version ? |
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| 21:40.39 | fbe^ | hi |
| 21:41.04 | jordanm | snail: have the Makefile call the default (/usr/bin/java) and set your java alternative to the one you want? |
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| 21:41.23 | fbe^ | i've got an intel atom 330 dual core and debian stable. does the atom have temperature sensors / where can i see the actual core temp? /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/ is empty. |
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| 21:41.37 | jordanm | fbe^: try lm-sensors |
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| 21:42.08 | snail | abrotman: the output of java -version isn't very consisitent across mulitple versions of some jvms |
| 21:42.43 | jordanm | oh.. your wanting to detect which is in use |
| 21:42.49 | abrotman | snail: maybe ask #java |
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| 21:44.21 | karme | snail: just as thought: maybe it would better to seperate by the feature that is different and the reason why you want to seperate |
| 21:44.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | duh... if java -version doesn't supply it... what would |
| 21:44.59 | karlpinc | CutMeOwnThroat: Evil autoconf tests. |
| 21:45.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | waving their little auto-magic-wands to detect it |
| 21:45.22 | jordanm | what makes them evil? |
| 21:45.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | karlpinc, I think that's what he actually wants to write :) |
| 21:45.37 | karlpinc | jordanm: They don't use java -version. :-) |
| 21:45.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | jordanm, they forged a couple of rings... |
| 21:46.06 | jordanm | CutMeOwnThroat: do the rings give super cow powers? |
| 21:46.27 | karlpinc | jordanm: Or they do, and just know where all the demons lurk. |
| 21:46.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, only apt-* has those |
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| 21:46.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | but it's a secret |
| 21:46.51 | karlpinc | jordanm: (And the occasional filesystem, but we don't tell anybody.) |
| 21:47.04 | fbe^ | jordanm: hm currently not installed - no net connection on the box. hoped that there is another file in /sys | /proc .. |
| 21:47.29 | jordanm | ,depends lm-sensors |
| 21:47.30 | judd | lm-sensors -- depends: sed (>= 4.0.5-1), libc6 (>= 2.7-1), libsensors4 (>= 1:3.0.0-1), perl. |
| 21:47.46 | jordanm | ,depends libsensors4 |
| 21:47.48 | judd | libsensors4 -- depends: makedev (>= 2.3.1-45) | udev, ucf (>= 0.28), libc6 (>= 2.7-1). |
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| 21:48.40 | jordanm | fbe^: stick lm-sensors, libsensors4, and ucf on a thumb drive |
| 21:49.10 | Revoluzifer | hi there guys. just a small question, i`m running debian-live right now (lenny) and now want to install it to a flashdrive. since there is no install-routine like in other distros, is there any tool to get or any other way to do so? |
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| 21:50.01 | jelly-home | Revoluzifer: get the installer image instead, for now. |
| 21:50.06 | jordanm | Revoluzifer: you could try knoppix's pendrive install guide. might be similar enough |
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| 21:51.03 | Revoluzifer | thanks to both of you! will trz the knoppix-thing, didnt remember its based on debian... |
| 21:51.10 | Revoluzifer | try... |
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| 21:51.41 | Revoluzifer | c ya |
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| 21:59.28 | something15525 | what would be a good alternative to ext3 for faster deletes, preferably for a mail server |
| 21:59.34 | something15525 | deletion* |
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| 21:59.58 | cafuego | Depends. |
| 21:59.59 | jordanm | !start a fs war |
| 22:00.00 | dpkg | XFS is too slow! |
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| 22:00.08 | cafuego | If you just ant tor andomly lsoe mail, maybe reiserfs. |
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| 22:00.23 | abrotman | or lose keystrokes, reiserkb |
| 22:00.31 | cafuego | hah |
| 22:00.33 | themill | ;) |
| 22:00.35 | pancake | is there any debian rootfs tarball for mips? is there any way to use debian as chroot from scratch? |
| 22:00.35 | jelly-home | something15525: what kind of mail server workload do you have that does more than 1GB/s deletes? |
| 22:00.39 | cafuego | blames the weather |
| 22:00.48 | esau | I want to download several videos of a youtube user, i use clive. Is anyone can tell me how to find all the video links into a youtube page ? |
| 22:00.56 | abrotman | pancake: debootstrap? |
| 22:00.58 | jordanm | !tell pancake about debootstrap |
| 22:01.01 | cafuego | jelly-home: I think his worry is seeks in giant maildirs. |
| 22:01.05 | pancake | abrotman: debootstrap depends on debian |
| 22:01.12 | abrotman | it does? |
| 22:01.23 | jelly-home | cafuego: I don't know what his worry is and don't want to guess. |
| 22:01.25 | abrotman | something15525: could you explain more about your mail setup ? |
| 22:01.28 | jordanm | pancake: no it doesn't, it only needs bash and wget AFAIK |
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| 22:01.40 | something15525 | jelly-home: i am trying to resolve server slowness on a squirellmail server, and since ext3 is apparently not know for fast deletes, i was looking for an faster alternative |
| 22:01.48 | jordanm | pancake: gentoo distributes it... |
| 22:02.03 | jelly-home | something15525: alright, but how did you determine that deletes were the bottleneck |
| 22:02.09 | abrotman | something15525: maildir? mbox? |
| 22:02.11 | pancake | debootstrap tried to run 'dpkg' .. at least from sources |
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| 22:02.23 | cafuego | something15525: Well that's easy. Squirrelmail loads *ALL* mail in a dir into memory, then sorts it, then displays. If you have anything more than a few pages of mail it'll be horribly slow. |
| 22:03.13 | jelly-home | squirrelmail talks IMAP, doesn't it? So it doesn't know about file structure. |
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| 22:03.28 | abrotman | mbox? maildir? |
| 22:03.30 | jordanm | ,depends debootstrap |
| 22:03.31 | judd | debootstrap -- depends: wget, binutils. |
| 22:03.32 | pancake | how can I install debootstrap without debian? |
| 22:03.47 | cafuego | pancake: use the rpm or tarball |
| 22:03.48 | themill | pancake: it's a perl script. just download it |
| 22:04.00 | pancake | i have no perl on this mips box |
| 22:04.04 | fbe^ | jordanm: lmsensors didn't work |
| 22:04.11 | abrotman | what kind of awful box is it? |
| 22:04.12 | fbe^ | found 2 sensors but no possible kernel mods |
| 22:04.14 | something15525 | jelly-home: deletes could be one of the problems, i'm just exploring possibilites for slowness on the server. there isn't really any major cpu load on the server, although it seems like it could also be a dns or IMAP issue |
| 22:04.20 | jelly-home | pancake: there's also a cdebootstrap |
| 22:04.24 | pancake | NMT-A110 |
| 22:04.25 | themill | pancake: there's also a C version |
| 22:04.54 | jelly-home | something15525: you'll want to figure out the actual bottleneck before jumping to filesystem changes |
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| 22:05.07 | jordanm | themill: /usr/sbin/debootstrap: POSIX shell script text executable |
| 22:05.35 | jelly-home | something15525: I have a couple of ext3s with 3M files each in maildirs, people don't complain it's slow. |
| 22:05.37 | something15525 | jelly-home: sometimes there are minutes responses and login, seems to be some sort of networking issue |
| 22:05.41 | themill | jordanm: ?! |
| 22:05.44 | pancake | uhm, c version has some library deps.. |
| 22:05.45 | abrotman | something15525: mbox or maildir? |
| 22:05.50 | abrotman | for the third time ... |
| 22:05.58 | jelly-home | abrotman: dovecot dbox! |
| 22:06.00 | jelly-home | hides |
| 22:06.01 | jordanm | themill: no perl :) |
| 22:06.04 | abrotman | so maildir |
| 22:06.15 | abrotman | oh .. bleh .. he's not the one answering :) |
| 22:06.32 | nixe | Somebody knows somthing about the file '/dev/shm/blo-1-4x64x516.tbl' ? Running sudo lsof /dev/shm/blo-1-4x64x516.tbl says nothing. |
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| 22:07.00 | jelly-home | pancake: can it boot from tftp or access a nfs share? |
| 22:07.15 | something15525 | abrotman: maildir |
| 22:07.38 | cafuego | something15525: how many messages in a typical mailbox? |
| 22:07.51 | jelly-home | pancake: doing a debootstrap from different arch and exporting can be done, at least up to the package download part |
| 22:08.20 | something15525 | cafuego: anywhere from zero to thousands, varying |
| 22:08.32 | abrotman | something15525: is it a 486? |
| 22:08.52 | pancake | jelly-home: yep, but i dont have any debian box here |
| 22:08.57 | pancake | a part from my phone.. |
| 22:09.01 | jelly-home | something15525: are you using an imap server with some sort of folder indexing or not? |
| 22:09.05 | cafuego | Well, thousands are what would make squirrel slow - as per my info about ot generating an internal list on each page load and then sorting and displaying it. |
| 22:09.08 | pancake | but debootstrap on phone is slow |
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| 22:09.32 | jelly-home | pancake: is there a reason why you're trying to put debian on it then? |
| 22:09.43 | pancake | E: No pkgdetails available; either install perl, or build pkgdetails.c from source |
| 22:10.01 | pancake | well. i want to be able to compile stuff natively |
| 22:10.12 | jelly-home | pancake: qemu? |
| 22:10.17 | cafuego | something15525: it ought to be on by default, but check if dir_index is enabled via tune2fs -l. |
| 22:10.25 | pancake | why use qemu if i have a native box? |
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| 22:10.37 | cafuego | If so, your bottle neck is squirrelmail. |
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| 22:10.47 | jelly-home | pancake: because your native box seems to be crippled |
| 22:10.52 | pancake | and i dont have any box able to run qemu in a decent speed and enought HD to do the rootfs outside |
| 22:11.10 | pancake | it's a laptop for about 5-6 years |
| 22:11.32 | idimmu | what phone ya got? |
| 22:11.35 | pancake | n900 |
| 22:11.43 | idimmu | shiny |
| 22:11.46 | pancake | http://nopcode.org/wk.php/FreeNIT |
| 22:11.52 | pancake | i did this debian port |
| 22:11.55 | idimmu | im hoping upgrading to ios4 will get me laid |
| 22:11.57 | idimmu | im not convinced |
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| 22:14.28 | albania | lkl' |
| 22:14.47 | abrotman | jamshqiptar! |
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| 22:15.29 | jelly-home | abrotman: what's the jam mean? |
| 22:15.47 | something15525 | jelly-home: sorry lost connection, atm i have no login to the server, i'll get to it later |
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| 22:16.00 | abrotman | jelly-home: he's not albanian anyways based on his IP |
| 22:16.06 | cafuego | something15525: it ought to be on by default, but check if dir_index is enabled via tune2fs -l. |
| 22:16.18 | cafuego | abrotman: was he a leet haxor then? |
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| 22:16.33 | something15525 | cafuego: thanks i will give it a try when i have access |
| 22:17.00 | abrotman | no, just that it's an albanian word AFAIK |
| 22:17.22 | cafuego | Oh, Kosovo .. that's as good as in albania. |
| 22:17.36 | jelly-home | something15525: take a look at what squirrelmail is asking for from the imap server. See whether it's the imap server that is slow, or squirrelmail parsing the results. See if squirrelmail can be configured with that imap server in mind. |
| 22:18.01 | jelly-home | cafuego: hehe, don't tell that to anyone in .rs |
| 22:18.29 | cafuego | Pfff. South-of-the-alps buggers. |
| 22:18.54 | something15525 | thanks for all the help with this issue guys, will make sure to take this help into consideration |
| 22:18.57 | something15525 | :D |
| 22:19.05 | pancake | yeah i have crosscompiled pkgdetails.c |
| 22:19.13 | pancake | debootrstrap is working now |
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| 22:19.58 | pancake | http://lolcathost.org/b/pkgdetails <- here's the mips bin. i have crosscompiled |
| 22:19.59 | jelly-home | something15525: iostat and vmstat can help figuring out if the fs is bottleneck |
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| 22:20.33 | jelly-home | something15525: also, using a modern imap server with folder indexing may help speed up imap conversations |
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| 22:21.58 | jelly-home | cafuego: good trolling can start wars spanning the thin borders of the region, see 1914 |
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| 22:22.34 | cafuego | jelly-home: Yeah look, they'll need to march over the alps and through germany to get their revenge on me, so I reckon I'm safe ;-) |
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| 22:22.46 | pancake | thans |
| 22:22.50 | pancake | thanks |
| 22:24.45 | something15525 | jelly-home: if the fs was the problem, wouldn't there be a lot of cpu load as well? |
| 22:24.59 | something15525 | jelly-home: along with i/o load, during deletion of files |
| 22:25.33 | jelly-home | something15525: we still don't know how you determined deletion was the real issue |
| 22:25.54 | cafuego | something15525: Yes. Your problem is squirrelmail, like I said earlier. It hates large mailboxes. |
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| 22:27.00 | abrotman | something15525: have you tried another webmail like horde/imp or roundcube? |
| 22:28.09 | cafuego | switched to Zimbra and has never looked back |
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| 22:28.46 | abrotman | it supports lenny now? |
| 22:28.57 | cafuego | I think so |
| 22:29.06 | abrotman | i do like roundcube, i haven't played with zimbra much |
| 22:29.07 | cafuego | Though my zimbra VM doesn't run Debian |
| 22:29.17 | abrotman | heh |
| 22:29.20 | abrotman | cheater! |
| 22:29.29 | jordanm | abrotman: it even supports etch |
| 22:29.31 | something15525 | abrotman: not really, if we were to switch from squirrelmail, it would require installing some package that is non-IMAP on the other end, possibly causing more problems |
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| 22:29.32 | cafuego | It runs a debian kernel if that helps? ;-) |
| 22:29.54 | jordanm | abrotman: or still provides binaries for it atleast.. |
| 22:30.05 | abrotman | jordanm: i know it did, but last i looked it didn't support lenny |
| 22:30.19 | abrotman | something15525: horde/imp and roundcube both do IMAP |
| 22:31.05 | cafuego | Better still, you can install horde/imp and rcm on the squirrel server and check if they're any better without affecting current operations. |
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| 22:31.52 | abrotman | that's what i meant? |
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| 22:32.36 | debian_user | Does the Debian installer CD have an i686 kernel instead of an i386 that it claims? I keep kernel panicing on this PII i586 system during install. |
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| 22:33.10 | cafuego | debian_user: i386 is the same of the arch, not the cpu. |
| 22:33.10 | streuner | i586? its real old |
| 22:33.11 | abrotman | a PII is 686 |
| 22:33.38 | debian_user | abortman: It is i586 I checked. |
| 22:33.39 | cafuego | s/same/name/ |
| 22:33.48 | cafuego | debian_user: It's not a Pentium 2 then |
| 22:34.49 | cafuego | debian_user: How much ram does it have? |
| 22:35.21 | streuner | debian_user: to be concret, its not fun to install Debian on a i586 |
| 22:35.27 | debian_user | cafuego: 192MB |
| 22:35.45 | abrotman | debian_user: a PII is a 686 |
| 22:35.48 | debian_user | I've checked the media and the install on othe rsystems that work fine. |
| 22:35.57 | debian_user | NetBSD and OpenBSD install fine. |
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| 22:36.05 | abrotman | debian_user: you can argue all you want, you'll still be wrong .. the 586 were the P1 like P60 to P233 |
| 22:36.14 | debian_user | abortman |
| 22:36.16 | debian_user | PII 233 |
| 22:36.27 | streuner | argh |
| 22:36.32 | debian_user | it's a i586 I'm sure of it. |
| 22:36.39 | streuner | good luck then |
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| 22:37.15 | abrotman | if it's a PII, it's a 686 .. ask everyone else here |
| 22:38.20 | abrotman | regardless, the installer should be able to figure it out, it will use the -486 kernel if it's a 486 or P1, and 686 if it's PPro, PII, PIII, and up |
| 22:39.09 | debian_user | abortman: clearly it appears not to be because i686 compiled binaries aren't running on it. |
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| 22:39.57 | debian_user | abortman: It appears this processor was one of the last i586 chips. |
| 22:40.13 | debian_user | So am I basically SOL as far as Debian is concerned? |
| 22:40.39 | abrotman | then it's not a PII |
| 22:40.45 | debian_user | Without significant work in getting custom kernels and compiling most of the packages from source? |
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| 22:40.58 | abrotman | debian_user: and the installer will choose the 486 kernel for you |
| 22:41.11 | abrotman | and the system binaries are compiled for -486 |
| 22:41.30 | hesco_nb | Hola, just built a new system (on used notebook), and on install I was warned of missing iwlwifi-3945-1.ucode. Following recipe at: http://foomagic.org/wiki/index.php/Installing_iwlwifi_with_a_debian_kernel ; which advises installing linux-source-2.6.22.tar.bz2 |
| 22:41.31 | lindi- | debian_user: debian runs on a 486 |
| 22:41.37 | debian_user | abortman: Hi, keep in mind, that intel has announced two types of 233MHz MMX CPU: One was the verry rarely sold Pentium 233 MMX (aka. i586) and the other was the entry Pentium II 233 MMX (aka. i686) |
| 22:41.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | how can the installer choose something before the kernel is loaded? |
| 22:41.53 | AimHere | Shouldn't be a problem to get debian on a (4|5)86, just don't expect it to be fast. |
| 22:41.56 | abrotman | debian_user: that's what i've been saying .. have you been reading? |
| 22:42.00 | abrotman | holy crap .. some people ... |
| 22:42.04 | lindi- | CutMeOwnThroat: in theory it could boot 486 kernel and kexec to 686 kernel later |
| 22:42.05 | abrotman | must be something in the water up there |
| 22:42.08 | hesco_nb | , presumably from kernel.org. However I am running 2.6.26-2-686 |
| 22:42.08 | abrotman | or a troll .. shocker |
| 22:42.10 | debian_user | abortman: Yeah I have the i586 version champ. |
| 22:42.13 | AimHere | I suggest not installing gnome or kde |
| 22:42.28 | abrotman | you kids have fun with the troll |
| 22:42.29 | jordanm | !iwlwifi |
| 22:42.29 | dpkg | iwlwifi is the new driver for Intel 3945 and 4965 wireless LAN chipsets since Lenny. Firmware is required, ask me about <non-free sources> and install the firmware-iwlwifi package to provide. See http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi (particularly if switching from ipw3945). See also <iwlagn> <wmaster0>. #ipw2100 on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 22:42.38 | jordanm | hesco_nb: you should follow the documentation in the wiki |
| 22:42.41 | streuner | AimHere: you are making chokes with an i586? |
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| 22:43.01 | debian_user | abortman: I'm trying to fix a problem and you keep telling me I have an i686 when I _know_ it's i586 and I'm asking if that's why this install is failing and what I can do about it. |
| 22:43.12 | streuner | AimHere: you are able to use lenny, in best case |
| 22:43.15 | streuner | AimHere: you are able to use lenny, in best case |
| 22:43.23 | streuner | AimHere: without X |
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| 22:43.28 | hesco_nb | would those changes in 2.6.22 not be carried forward till 2.6.26 ??? |
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| 22:43.36 | abrotman | debian_user: THEN IT'S NOT A PII ... STOP SAYING THAT |
| 22:43.37 | themill | debian_user: so if you "_know_" it's an i586, why do you keep claiming it's a PII? |
| 22:43.53 | AimHere | Without X? 486 should be able to run X, but you'd be wise not to run a heavy desktop environment |
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| 22:44.00 | debian_user | themill: keep in mind, that intel has announced two types of 233MHz MMX CPU: One was the verry rarely sold Pentium 233 MMX (aka. i586) and the other was the entry Pentium II 233 MMX (aka. i686) |
| 22:44.02 | themill | doesn't like trolls that aren't even self-consistent. |
| 22:44.20 | abrotman | and i'm going with troll .. nobody mistypes my nick that many times |
| 22:44.30 | themill | debian_user: please find "II" in "verry rarely sold Pentium 233 MMX (aka. i586)" |
| 22:45.12 | abrotman | and the IP reminds me of someone that's no longer welcome in this channel |
| 22:45.16 | streuner | debian_user: if its not a laptop, just buy another computer second hand |
| 22:45.23 | debian_user | themill: alright you guys are right it's not a PII.. not get excited and can you help me solve this problem? |
| 22:45.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | themill, one i in "pentium", the other in "i586" - what did I win? |
| 22:45.46 | themill | CutMeOwnThroat: a night with a troll. He's all yours. |
| 22:45.58 | debian_user | either way the CPU is i586 so it that why it's kernel panicing during install? |
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| 22:46.25 | streuner | debian_user: who cares, a i586 is just crap! |
| 22:46.40 | debian_user | streuner: This is the hardware I have to work with. |
| 22:46.54 | streuner | debian_user: as laptop? |
| 22:47.02 | debian_user | streuner: As router/firewall |
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| 22:47.31 | javagamer_ | Is it possible to install CUDA from apt? Everything I've found says no, but none of it is very new. |
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| 22:47.42 | debian_user | streuner: I've ran BSD on it for years and I'm switching it over to Debian. But the install keeps kernel panicing and I'm assuming it's because it's i586 and I'm trying to figure out what to do about it. |
| 22:47.47 | jhutchins_lt | debian_user: Sorry you're getting such a hassle. Have you been able to get any live CD to run on it? |
| 22:48.10 | abrotman | i'd probably try etch if lenny is giving an issue, then dist-upgrade to lenny |
| 22:48.15 | jhutchins_lt | debian_user: Have you read the install guide? I don't recall if there's anything i586 specific there. |
| 22:48.19 | debian_user | jhutchins_lt: I have just tried the normal/expert installs of a Lenny 5.0.4 CD. |
| 22:48.27 | jhutchins_lt | debian_user: It's possible you're not using the right installer. |
| 22:48.38 | jhutchins_lt | debian_user: Full DVD or netinstall? |
| 22:48.48 | jhutchins_lt | !install guide |
| 22:48.49 | dpkg | The Debian Installation Guide for Lenny (5.0.4) can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/installmanual . See also <errata> and <installer firmware>. |
| 22:48.49 | lindi- | javagamer_: CUDA sounds non-free |
| 22:48.54 | debian_user | jhutchins_lt: Just the CD 1. I was following the install guide. |
| 22:48.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | debian_user, http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/FAQ#Q.3AWhydoesn.27ttheinstallerautomaticallychoosetheappropriatekerneltoinstall.28forexampleani686kernelinsteadofthegenerici386.29.3F |
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| 22:49.08 | javagamer_ | lindi-: Could point, pretty sure it isn't free |
| 22:49.11 | abrotman | is it even making it out of the installer? |
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| 22:49.45 | jhutchins_lt | i386 install is supposed to apply to all i386 based systems. |
| 22:50.00 | debian_user | CutMeOwnThroat: So it would appear I should get the netinst cd or an i586 specific CD. |
| 22:50.01 | themill | ,info libcuda1 --release sid |
| 22:50.01 | judd | libcuda1 (non-free/libs, optional): NVIDIA CUDA runtime library. Version: 195.36.24-4; Size: 3594.1k; Installed: 8436k; Homepage: http://www.nvidia.com/CUDA |
| 22:50.05 | themill | javagamer_: ^^ |
| 22:50.40 | javagamer_ | themill: So, does that mean if I wait a bit it will make it into squeeze? |
| 22:50.47 | jhutchins_lt | debian_user: Did you verify the md5 of the iso and resulting disc? |
| 22:51.09 | debian_user | jhutchins_lt: Yes I have checked the media a number of times and successfully installed on 2 other systems. |
| 22:51.11 | themill | ,versions libcuda1 |
| 22:51.13 | judd | libcuda1 -- squeeze/non-free: 195.36.24-1; sid/non-free: 195.36.24-4 |
| 22:51.16 | debian_user | jhutchins_lt: Both, however, much newer. |
| 22:51.22 | themill | javagamer_: already is in squeeze |
| 22:51.34 | javagamer_ | themill: Hmmm... how did I miss that? Thanks a lot! |
| 22:51.46 | themill | javagamer_: no worries |
| 22:51.59 | debian_user | jhutchins_lt: It seems that the system should fail on uncompressing the kernel though if it was for the wrong architecture. |
| 22:52.04 | jhutchins_lt | debian_user: You could try the net install. You might also want to run memtest on it - how much RAM does it have anyway? |
| 22:52.17 | smv | debian_user, if the installer fails why don't you try to install using debootstrap? i'd make a live stick/cd with whatever works on that system (an OpenBSD stick will be done in what, 20 minutes?), install debootstrap on that, use debootstrap with --arch=i386 and then install the -486 kernel. |
| 22:52.18 | debian_user | jhutchins_lt: I ran memtest all day while I was at work that was the first thing I tried. |
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| 22:52.35 | jhutchins_lt | You could just try reseating everything just in case. |
| 22:52.41 | jhutchins_lt | cards, ram, cpu. |
| 22:52.58 | debian_user | smv: I will check that out |
| 22:53.28 | debian_user | downloads the netinst now. |
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| 22:54.06 | jhutchins_lt | debian_user: http://debian-i586.sourceforge.net/ <- may be extremely out-dated. |
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| 22:55.41 | acu | does anyone knows about shared memory management ? what is the difference between mmap and imap? and how the usb bus using application access resources through this methods ?? |
| 22:56.18 | debian_user | jhutchins_lt: I appreciate your help. I'm going to try the netinst in a few minutes to see if I can get anything going. |
| 22:56.28 | jhutchins_lt | debian_user: Good luck. |
| 22:56.53 | jhutchins_lt | debian_user: i586 should be properly supported. |
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| 22:57.00 | robd | Hey guys |
| 22:57.12 | robd | I've got a brand new Lenny 5.0.4 install and I'm trying to boot off of a LVM volume |
| 22:57.32 | Guest99518 | I get crashed out into busybox because it doesn't run "lvm pvscan" and "lvm vgchange -ay" |
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| 22:57.36 | Guest99518 | How can I get this to work? |
| 22:58.18 | robd | Does anyone know about getting Debian Lenny to do a "pvscan" and "vgchange -ay" on boot? |
| 22:58.26 | robd | I'm assuming I need to tweak the initramfs or something |
| 22:58.33 | jhutchins_lt | Guest45780: Use the advanced/textmode installer. |
| 22:58.36 | robd | Is there an easy way to do this or is it going to be manual and stupid |
| 22:58.47 | robd | jhutchins_lt: Yep, did it that a way |
| 22:58.58 | robd | jhutchins_lt: I did a manual partitioning thing instead of guided |
| 22:59.15 | robd | jhutchins_lt: How do I go about rebuilding the initramfs so that it properly includes LVM components? |
| 22:59.45 | jhutchins_lt | LVM is outside my knowledge, sorry. |
| 22:59.53 | robd | jhutchins_lt: Also is there a way to get the god damn broadcom drivers in the Debian kernel? I'm about ready to switch to Ubuntu so things just work instead of just frustrate myself and my customers |
| 22:59.56 | jhutchins_lt | I consider it just another thing to go wrong. |
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| 23:00.13 | robd | So is everyone that uses Debian a complete moron? |
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| 23:00.32 | robd | I hate to say it but you guys do just about EVERYTHING to keep businesses from using your platform |
| 23:00.33 | jhutchins_lt | robd: We really don't care what distribution you run, we'll help with debian. Yes, you can get the broadcom drivers in the kernel, you can compile them in. |
| 23:00.47 | jhutchins_lt | robd: You probably need the firmware. Broadcom is reported to work well with a few exceptions. |
| 23:00.59 | robd | jhutchins_lt: Yep, I need the firmware |
| 23:01.34 | jhutchins_lt | !tell robd about firmware |
| 23:01.39 | tbsaunde | robd: firmware-b43-foo is what you want, and btw I have never seen bcm work :( |
| 23:01.47 | robd | jhutchins_lt: It's just hard to do a PXE install when the image sent over via PXE doesn't have the NIC drivers because they're "not good for the community" |
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| 23:02.17 | robd | tbsaunde: Believe me, I hate Broadcom just as much as you guys but it's what Dell servers ship with by default and thats like 30% of our install base |
| 23:02.26 | jhutchins_lt | robd: There are ways to do it, however you must do it, it hasn't been done for you. |
| 23:02.29 | robd | tbsaunde: I get Intel NICs when I can, but they're $$$ |
| 23:03.05 | jhutchins_lt | robd: Cheapness is probably one of the reasons broadcom chipsets work so badly in linux. |
| 23:03.09 | robd | jhutchins_lt: Got that, but there's a definite need for Broadcom drivers. Whats the point of making it inconvenient for the user rather than just making it work like Ubuntu, Red Hat or FreeBSD? |
| 23:03.46 | robd | jhutchins_lt: Oh yeah, Broadcom is crap. But again it's used by 30% of the server market, so why not support it?!? |
| 23:03.47 | jhutchins_lt | Debian is not Ubuntu, RedHat, or BSD. It's Debian, and one of it's goals is to offer a clean GNU distribution. |
| 23:04.00 | tbsaunde | robd: ok, I haven't had a problem with the either net ones, but more experience with wireless |
| 23:04.07 | robd | jhutchins_lt: So it's a project for lonely grad students who never see the light of day... |
| 23:04.30 | jhutchins_lt | There is no problem with Debian supporting Broadcom, the problem is with Broadcom supporting Open Source software. |
| 23:04.51 | jhutchins_lt | robd: Yeah, that and 90% of the commercial servers and other professional installations. |
| 23:05.09 | robd | jhutchins_lt: They're a for profit company, they don't need this open source junk. However you guys need to support them or you'll be irrelevant to any Dell customer |
| 23:05.13 | themill | robd: are you trying to troll or do you just have the social skills of one of these lonely grad students? There's work going on to try to include firmware on the installer images to make this easier, but it also goes against the principles of free software to do so |
| 23:05.50 | jhutchins_lt | robd: We really don't care about Dell customers. We're not Dell. |
| 23:05.56 | robd | themill: I'm just stuck dealing with a $450k/month customer who demands to use this ridiculous distribution on hardware that is apparently unsupported |
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| 23:06.03 | robd | themill: Believe me, I don't want to be here. |
| 23:06.20 | themill | robd: take a break from #debian and when you come back, please try to be constructive |
| 23:06.36 | jhutchins_lt | themill: Sorry if I fed the troll. |
| 23:06.58 | themill | jhutchins_lt: we're here to help people... it's just easier to help them if they want to be helped. |
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| 23:07.13 | jhutchins_lt | Yep. |
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| 23:16.40 | Hannibal | greetings all, my friend has a vps with debian installed.. an lsmod is treturning nothing whatsoever, and we need ipv6 support.. (the ipv6 module is nowhere to be found) |
| 23:16.51 | Hannibal | **is returning |
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| 23:17.13 | dondelelcaro | Hannibal: assuming you're running a Debian kernel (possibly not), it's built in |
| 23:17.26 | dondelelcaro | Hannibal: the output of ip addr; will tell you, though |
| 23:18.09 | eikenberry | In squeeze it's built in. In lenny it is still a module. |
| 23:18.16 | Hannibal | hmm |
| 23:18.47 | eikenberry | I have lenny on a xen vps and I have ipv6 in my lsmod output. |
| 23:18.55 | Hannibal | ah indeed... i do see an inet6 local address.. maybe i misconfigured something (i'm attempting to setup an H.E. tunnel :p) |
| 23:19.17 | Hannibal | ping6 ::1 does work |
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| 23:19.44 | dondelelcaro | robd: just rebuild the initrd; assuming you have lvm installed, the appropriate bits should be automatically included. |
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| 23:20.45 | robd | dondelelcaro: You guys have a command for initrd rebuilds |
| 23:21.00 | robd | dondelelcaro: installkernel ? |
| 23:21.10 | dondelelcaro | robd: man update-initramfs |
| 23:21.16 | robd | dondelelcaro: ahh, there we go |
| 23:21.49 | dondelelcaro | robd: and install whatever firmware is appropriate for whatever broadcom chip you have; it's pretty trivial |
| 23:22.28 | robd | dondelelcaro: Can I bundle the firmware.tar.gz file w/ the Debian installer for PXE installs? |
| 23:22.43 | dondelelcaro | robd: See the install guide. It's explained there. |
| 23:23.33 | dondelelcaro | robd: specifially §2.2 and §6.4 |
| 23:27.02 | dondelelcaro | there are even unofficial images with the firmware on them, if you can't figure that out... |
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| 23:29.57 | carew | HermanDE: there? probs with backuppc |
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| 23:31.23 | carew | i am trying to authenticate ssh through a key, but it still asks for a passwd, anyone think he can solve it? |
| 23:31.35 | dondelelcaro | carew: ssh -vv is your friend |
| 23:31.42 | dondelelcaro | carew: check the auth.log on the server, too |
| 23:31.51 | carew | dondelelcaro: ok will do |
| 23:32.04 | dondelelcaro | (usually the problem is permissions, but the auth log will tell you that) |
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| 23:34.49 | carew | dondelelcaro: permissions on the files? keys? |
| 23:35.56 | Tramp | directories |
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| 23:37.39 | carew | dondelelcaro: i added keys to authentication2 or whatever and to known_hosts but it is still asking if i thrust the host? |
| 23:38.06 | bimbo | hello, using debian-unstable I've just manually removed all the gnome packages I had on my system, however some problems arised: it fails to "configure" the python related packages (python2.6, libpython2.6, python2.6-minimal and python-libxml2) |
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| 23:39.15 | dondelelcaro | carew: only the server fingerprint goes into KnownHosts |
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| 23:39.52 | dondelelcaro | carew: the keys go into authorized_keys (or whatever AuthorizedKeysFile is set to) |
| 23:40.00 | bimbo | any help would be greatly appreciated |
| 23:40.17 | carew | dondelelcaro: ok |
| 23:40.28 | dondelelcaro | bimbo: manually removed them how? |
| 23:40.29 | lompas | Hi, "put display to sleep when inactive for..." dpesn't work. Why? |
| 23:41.05 | dondelelcaro | lompas: does xset dpms force off; work? what does xset q; report? |
| 23:41.05 | lompas | doesn't* |
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| 23:41.56 | lompas | dondelelcaro, I just installed debian lenny, moved from ubuntu, I will try now. Thanks for replying. |
| 23:41.56 | bimbo | dondelelcaro: first I used `dpkg --get-selections` to get all the installed packages on my system, then selected the ones I wanted to remove and include them in a "pkg.list" file, which later used to remove the pkgs listed in there: "aptitude purge `cat pkg.list`" |
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| 23:43.21 | lompas | dondelelcaro, xset dpms force off doesn't work...should I make a pastebin with xset q? |
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| 23:43.41 | jhutchins_lt | bimbo: Perhaps aptitude -f install (be prepared for removed packages to come back) |
| 23:45.06 | bimbo | jhutchins_lt: ok, working on it |
| 23:45.53 | Hannibal | hmm |
| 23:46.12 | Hannibal | what could cause a system not to read its /etc/network/interfaces file dynamicly? i added a tunenl device, yet an ifup <devicename> fails |
| 23:46.33 | lompas | http://pastebin.com/TFA6BCnu output of xset q |
| 23:46.41 | abrotman | Hannibal: the syntax is wrong ? |
| 23:46.58 | Hannibal | hmm |
| 23:47.11 | lompas | dondelelcaro, Anything else that i should try? |
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| 23:49.32 | lompas | Other suggestions? |
| 23:52.35 | bimbo | dondelelcaro: didn't work |
| 23:52.52 | bimbo | it installed some packages and then when trying to configure python again the same problems show up |
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| 23:53.11 | dondelelcaro | lompas: if xset dpms force off; doesn't work, then that usually means that your monitor doesn't obey dpms, and can't be shut off (or the driver that you're using doesn't use it) |
| 23:53.35 | dondelelcaro | !tell bimbo -about bat |
| 23:53.54 | lompas | dondelelcaro, I have an ati hd4330 but no drivers are installed, maybe that's why? |
| 23:54.13 | lompas | dondelelcaro, It's a laptop. |
| 23:54.37 | dondelelcaro | lompas: oh; laptops are kind of notorious for not doing things properly |
| 23:54.50 | dondelelcaro | lompas: can you adjust the brightness at all? |
| 23:55.03 | lompas | dondelelcaro, ohh, ...yes i can do that |
| 23:55.06 | bimbo | !tell bimbo -about localized errors |
| 23:56.52 | dondelelcaro | bimbo: just prefix the commands with LANG=C |
| 23:57.38 | carew | dondelelcaro: why is each tutorial written to use authorized_keys2??? |
| 23:58.28 | lompas | dondelelcaro, thanks for your help...i will try to install my video driver...see if it fixes my issue |
| 23:59.09 | lompas | dondelelcaro, if it helps you...in other distributions worked fine |
| 23:59.24 | lompas | dondelelcaro, distros based on debian |
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| 23:59.27 | dondelelcaro | carew: because it used to be the place you stuck keys when there was a difference between ssh1 and ssh2 |
| 23:59.48 | dondelelcaro | lompas: probably the right driver will fix it, then |
