IRC log for #debian on 20100623

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`00:00.28`	`bimbo`	`http://paste.debian.net/78443/`
`00:00.33`	`bimbo`	`dondelelcaro: ^`
`00:00.38`	`carew`	`dondelelcaro: oh oke, thx for the help, will try to fix`
`00:01.33`	`lompas`	`dondelelcaro, can I ask you another thing?`
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`00:03.31`	`dondelelcaro`	`lompas: just ask; someone will answer if they know`
`00:03.47`	`dondelelcaro`	`bimbo: dpkg -l python-minimal; most likely you have an old version of that installed, and need to upgrade`
`00:04.02`	`dondelelcaro`	`(python2.6-minimal probably has a missing dependency, but whatever)`
`00:04.09`	`lompas`	`dondelelcaro, debian wiki provides info of how to install ati drivers but I followed the steps there and my system stoped working. Do you know another website with a guide ?`
`00:04.50`	`dondelelcaro`	`lompas: the wiki should have the right instructions; if it stopped working, ask here`
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`00:04.59`	`lompas`	`dondelelcaro, a more human/beginner one`
`00:05.23`	`dondelelcaro`	`no, unfortunatly; if there's some place where it's confusing, you can ask questions here, and hopefully someone will know`
`00:05.36`	`lompas`	`dondelelcaro, well I tried installing the drivers...the system boots but when on user login my display shuts down`
`00:06.10`	`lompas`	`dondelelcaro, this is my second attempt in installing debian`
`00:06.24`	`dondelelcaro`	`hrm; could be a bug, but not sure`
`00:07.04`	`lompas`	`dondelelcaro, that happened on my laptop...and I couldn't open a terminal window....had to do a fresh install`
`00:07.22`	`dondelelcaro`	`well, you don't have to reinstall; you can just boot without starting X, and then figure out what is failing`
`00:07.36`	`dondelelcaro`	`but unfortunatly, I can't help you with that, as I'm working on something else`
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`00:08.44`	`DeathWolf`	`Hello all, any reason "fakeroot make-jpkg jdk-6u20-linux-i586.bin" would fail with "No matching plugin was found."?`
`00:09.07`	`bimbo`	`this is the output of the command you gave me dondelelcaro: http://paste.debian.net/78445/`
`00:09.19`	`bimbo`	`but I don't really understand what it means nor what I should do with it`
`00:09.29`	`lompas`	`dondelelcaro, it's ok, thanks very much...I will try helping myself using google and debian wiki, hopefully i will get it up`
`00:09.35`	`DeathWolf`	`java-package here is 0.42`
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`00:12.14`	`DeathWolf`	`haha`
`00:12.15`	`DeathWolf`	`"jdk-6u"[0-9]"-linux-i586.bin") # SUPPORTED`
`00:12.18`	`DeathWolf`	`and it's 6u20`
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`00:12.30`	`themill`	`DeathWolf: I presume you've got a good reason not to just use the debian packages`
`00:12.41`	`DeathWolf`	`there are sun java packages?`
`00:12.48`	`themill`	`dpkg: tell DeathWolf about install java`
`00:13.00`	`themill`	`,versions sun-java6-jre`
`00:13.01`	`judd`	`sun-java6-jre -- etch-backports/non-free: 6-07-3~bpo40+1; lenny/non-free: 6-12-1; sid/non-free: 6.20-dlj-1; squeeze/non-free: 6.20-dlj-1; sid/non-free: 6.20-dlj-3; sid/non-free: 6.20-dlj-4`
`00:13.07`	`themill`	`DeathWolf: ^^ have been for years`
`00:13.45`	`DeathWolf`	`I seemed to recall there was only the (crappy) gcj stuff but I geuss I'm wrong:)`
`00:14.07`	`DeathWolf`	`definitely does not start good... lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 34 Jun 20 2009 /etc/alternatives/java -> /usr/lib/jvm/java-gcj/jre/bin/java`
`00:14.20`	`DeathWolf`	`(that's what /usr/bin/java points to)`
`00:14.26`	`DeathWolf`	`(and sun-java6-jre is installed)`
`00:14.26`	`tuvwx`	`what's with update-grub saying: /usr/sbin/grub-probe: error: cannot find a device for / (is /dev mounted?).`
`00:14.45`	`themill`	`DeathWolf: keep reading what dpkg told you.... see update-java-alternatives`
`00:15.13`	`tuvwx`	`i can still boot into the old kernel (2.6.32-3), but update-grub wouldn't go through, and so the new kernel (2.6.32-5) does not get added to grub menu`
`00:15.25`	`DeathWolf`	`themill: that's after installing sun-java6-jre`
`00:15.32`	`DeathWolf`	`hence my surprise to see it gcj`
`00:15.57`	`themill`	`DeathWolf: yes..... keep reading what dpkg told you.... see update-java-alternatives`
`00:16.27`	`DeathWolf`	`ok, I had to actually ask for it, sorry, thought what you asked dpkg to send me was all`
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`00:19.43`	`bimbo`	`hmm so, no clue on what to do next then?`
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`00:23.44`	`p3rror`	`hello`
`00:23.52`	`p3rror`	`i've no /usr/include/linux/config.h`
`00:23.54`	`p3rror`	`what miss`
`00:24.07`	`p3rror`	`i've installed linux kernel sources and headers`
`00:25.02`	`bimbo`	`ok, here's an error I'm having with my debian system, it happened after I removed some packages: http://paste.debian.net/78443/`
`00:25.16`	`bimbo`	`any help would be appreciated`
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`00:27.23`	`harovali`	`hi , is there a way to compile a program (namely , extundelete) , having the needed dynamic libraries put inside the compiled binary ? (in order to copy the binary to a legacy system )`
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`00:27.54`	`smv`	`bimbo, see http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=568195`
`00:28.04`	`roe`	`anyone know what is responsible for naming HDDs 'ataN' (where N = a number)?`
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`00:31.32`	`cafuego`	`roe: the kernel? udev?`
`00:31.51`	`roe`	`any idea how to identify which disk it means?`
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`00:32.07`	`cafuego`	`dmesg`
`00:33.08`	`bimbo`	`smv: thank you very much`
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`00:33.50`	`smv`	`bimbo, though might be quite different than your situation, seems to be related, i guess`
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`00:36.31`	`Janos`	`hey there, is there any way to tell a package to restore the permissions of the files it owns ? a customer just did something like this 'chown -R <user>:<group> /' and i'm trying to restore it to something that can run for a few days before we reinstall the server`
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`00:41.49`	`Janos`	`or maybe report changes to a file's original permissions ?`
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`00:43.01`	`carew`	`dondelelcaro: i think it works now :p`
`00:43.05`	`abrotman`	`did you try reinstalling the afflicted packages?`
`00:43.54`	`nzDoughBoy`	`Why when you do rmdir -Rf /etc/X11 Xorg never starts?`
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`00:45.01`	`Janos`	`abrotman, well that would mean reinstalling every package in the system, he changed the owner and group recursively starting at /, amazing i know !!!`
`00:45.09`	`Frisbe_Chrome`	`hello, bicycle computers here. irc.bikcmp.info #help for all your IRC`
`00:45.14`	`Frisbe_Chrome`	`needs!hello, bicycle computers here. irc.bikcmp.info #help for all`
`00:45.39`	`jhutchins_lt`	`nzDoughBoy: Why when you delete an essential part of a program does the program fail to work?`
`00:45.52`	`abrotman`	`Janos: many people do that ... so try reinstalling a few packages ... see if it makes a difference`
`00:46.04`	`nzDoughBoy`	`Lol, was a joke jhutchins_lt :P`
`00:46.29`	`jhutchins_lt`	`nzDoughBoy: You'd be surprized at the questions we get here.`
`00:46.38`	`nzDoughBoy`	`Lol....`
`00:46.49`	`nzDoughBoy`	`And people say Debian is a hard to use Distro? I think it's shit easy.`
`00:46.51`	`nzDoughBoy`	`Gentoo is harder.`
`00:46.57`	`nzDoughBoy`	`Even Arch is.`
`00:47.03`	`nzDoughBoy`	`And they're both easy to anyone who has used them`
`00:47.09`	`nzDoughBoy`	`LFS is probably the hardest :P`
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`00:50.05`	`abrotman`	`nzDoughBoy: do you have a Debian related support question ?`
`00:50.27`	`nzDoughBoy`	`Not really.`
`00:50.32`	`nzDoughBoy`	`Just talking trash`
`00:50.37`	`abrotman`	`then please go away`
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`00:51.37`	`cafuego`	`Wow, that actually worked.`
`00:51.57`	`abrotman`	`has the power .. the power of grayskull .. or something like that`
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`00:52.57`	`abrotman`	`greyskull ? whichever`
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`00:59.18`	`cafuego`	`hah`
`00:59.31`	`cafuego`	`To the skeletor-mobile!`
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`01:11.14`	`karsten`	`abrotman: I thought it was wonder-twins.`
`01:11.41`	`abrotman`	`there's another abrotman?`
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`01:11.57`	`karsten`	`abrotman: and she's cuter than you`
`01:12.34`	`abrotman`	`amy .. google it`
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`01:14.02`	`carew`	`anyone know how I can set the amount of backups I have in backuppc?`
`01:14.43`	`jhutchins_lt`	`carew: No, but if it's an available option it should be in the manpage or /usr/share/docs/backuppc`
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`01:18.00`	`jhutchins_lt`	`carew: Not all backup programs manage existing backups.`
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`01:25.24`	`carew`	`jhutchins_lt: backuppc makes a backup of my full hdd and I only want to make a backup of my home dir; backupfilesonly is defined.`
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`01:28.45`	`QUE`	`hi all`
`01:28.46`	`SuperMiguel`	`do i need to install anything in debian to be able to use mount -t cifs ?`
`01:28.50`	`QUE`	`installing debian on my netbook`
`01:28.56`	`QUE`	`i only have usb drive`
`01:29.03`	`QUE`	`and wireless network connection`
`01:29.05`	`QUE`	`any help?`
`01:30.19`	`dvs`	`QUE: you pretty much need a wired connection`
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`01:31.01`	`abrotman`	`depends on the wifi card`
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`01:31.09`	`QUE`	`why abrotman?`
`01:31.19`	`abrotman`	`because not all wifi cards are driven equally`
`01:31.23`	`QUE`	`it doesn't know wireless connection?`
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`01:32.10`	`QUE`	`<PROTECTED>`
`01:32.48`	`abrotman`	`huh?`
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`01:33.26`	`QUE`	`netboot.tar.gz?`
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`01:36.30`	`abrotman`	`!usb install`
`01:36.30`	`dpkg`	`Yes, it is possible to install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03 . To download USB stick images, ask me about <install debian>. https://launchpad.net/win32-image-writer/+download to prepare from Windows. BIOS can't boot from USB? Use http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html`
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`01:37.38`	`jhutchins_lt`	`abrotman: Improved factoid?`
`01:37.45`	`abrotman`	`i didn't change it`
`01:37.57`	`jhutchins_lt`	`Answers yet more FAQs.`
`01:37.59`	`abrotman`	`blame CMOT`
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`01:39.12`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`yeah, just bully the helpless...`
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`01:40.16`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`what's wrong with it?`
`01:40.24`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`anyway, I just added the plop-bit`
`01:41.03`	`QUE`	`hi abrotman`
`01:41.15`	`QUE`	`should i choose http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/installer-i386/current/images/ netboot?`
`01:41.45`	`abrotman`	`no`
`01:42.20`	`QUE`	`hd-media/`
`01:42.22`	`QUE`	`?`
`01:42.42`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`?`
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`01:43.14`	`abrotman`	`oh i know .. read the links above?`
`01:43.53`	`QUE`	`yes i did`
`01:44.19`	`QUE`	`https://launchpad.net/win32-image-writer/+download ?`
`01:44.32`	`CutMeOwnThroat`	`so what was I guilty of? Will I be beheaded or allowed to cut me own throat?`
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`01:46.17`	`QUE`	`abrotman`
`01:46.19`	`QUE`	`you here?`
`01:46.55`	`jhutchins_lt`	`QUE: You got a question?`
`01:47.01`	`abrotman`	`you really aren't gonig to read ?`
`01:47.14`	`QUE`	`i did read it`
`01:47.16`	`QUE`	`abrotman`
`01:47.19`	`QUE`	`https://launchpad.net/win32-image-writer/+download << i open it up`
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`01:47.29`	`QUE`	`<PROTECTED>`
`01:47.36`	`QUE`	`is that debian image?`
`01:47.51`	`abrotman`	`you go to purdue and you can't read ?`
`01:47.59`	`abrotman`	`!usb install`
`01:47.59`	`dpkg`	`Yes, it is possible to install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03 . To download USB stick images, ask me about <install debian>. https://launchpad.net/win32-image-writer/+download to prepare from Windows. BIOS can't boot from USB? Use http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html`
`01:48.06`	`abrotman`	`start at the beginning`
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`01:50.54`	`QUE`	`The installation images are located on each Debian mirror in the directory debian/dists/lenny/main/installer-i386/current/images/`
`01:51.13`	`QUE`	`from the manual`
`01:51.20`	`QUE`	`http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/installer-no fucking clue what should i download`
`01:51.27`	`QUE`	`it has netboot`
`01:51.34`	`QUE`	`debian-installer`
`01:51.41`	`QUE`	`i386`
`01:52.31`	`QUE`	`if the capacity of your USB stick is large enough you have the option of copying a full CD ISO image to it.`
`01:52.49`	`QUE`	`i'm using widnows though`
`01:53.06`	`jhutchins_lt`	`Which does not prevent you from copying an iso image to it.`
`01:53.26`	`QUE`	`To prepare the USB stick, you will need a system where GNU/Linux is already running and where USB is supported`
`01:53.33`	`QUE`	`Geez`
`01:54.00`	`QUE`	`hi jhutchins_lt`
`01:54.03`	`QUE`	`http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/`
`01:54.08`	`QUE`	`should i choose netboot?`
`01:54.19`	`jhutchins_lt`	`What we need to do an install is a basic isolinux kernel environment, followed by a network app that loads the installer from a repo. Then we partition and format the disk and start the process of installing basic packages using a slightly modified dpkg/apt system.`
`01:54.40`	`QUE`	`[ ] mini.iso ?`
`01:54.41`	`jhutchins_lt`	`QUE: I'm not certain, but I think netboot would be valid.`
`01:55.02`	`jhutchins_lt`	`mini is kinda counterproductive given how we're doing this, might be good if you have limited space on the USB.`
`01:55.19`	`jhutchins_lt`	`Um. no wait, not netboot, netinst.`
`01:55.34`	`jhutchins_lt`	`netboot is "there is a server on the network that knows all about how to do this",`
`01:55.39`	`jhutchins_lt`	`You don't have that.`
`01:56.24`	`QUE`	`ok`
`01:56.28`	`jhutchins_lt`	`Sigh. I suppose someone ought to review the USB inst guide and make sure it actually says how to do it. THe fact that it exists makes us assume that it's useful.`
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`01:56.47`	`QUE`	`what should i choose?`
`01:56.49`	`jhutchins_lt`	`I'm mostly back from some other projects, I guess I can take a whack at it.`
`01:56.52`	`QUE`	`that installation guide is confusing`
`01:56.56`	`jhutchins_lt`	`k.`
`01:57.05`	`craigevil`	`the debianeeepc install guide is a good install from usb guide`
`01:57.08`	`qq-`	`http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/installer-i386/current/images/hd-media/boot.img.gz`
`01:57.18`	`qq-`	`# zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sdX`
`01:57.25`	`terranova`	`how to resolve path with ~/ to /home/.. in shell script ?`
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`01:57.51`	`jhutchins_lt`	`Let us study http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/installer-i386/current/images/MANIFEST`
`01:58.09`	`QUE`	`ok`
`01:58.37`	`QUE`	`hd-media/boot.img.gz -- 256 mb image (compressed) for USB memory stick`
`01:59.16`	`rking`	`terranova: What's the context? I mean, usually the shell does already expand it at the command-line`
`01:59.17`	`jhutchins_lt`	`That's the image for the USB stick, yes. We also want an iso of an installer CD if I understand correctly.`
`01:59.19`	`QUE`	`downloading it`
`01:59.30`	`QUE`	`ya`
`01:59.33`	`QUE`	`where can i find it?`
`01:59.43`	`qq-`	`"After that, mount the USB memory stick (mount /dev/sdX /mnt), which will now have a FAT filesystem on it, and copy a Debian netinst or businesscard ISO image to it. Unmount the stick (umount /mnt) and you are done."`
`01:59.57`	`rking`	`terranova: Such as, if I do: echo ~/foo it echos /home/rking/foo`
`02:00.01`	`abrotman`	`right, he doesn't need to read anything ... you'll tell him everything`
`02:00.58`	`terranova`	rking: I want redirect path to script like `terminal -e "runapp ~/"`
`02:00.58`	`tbsaunde`	`abrotman: I've read that doc, and I thought it was confusing, maybe I'm just an idiot though`
`02:01.08`	`jhutchins_lt`	`!iso`
`02:01.08`	`dpkg`	`[iso] CD image, a file containing an ISO 9660 standard filesystem. Debian CD/DVD images are available at http://www.debian.org/CD . Also ask me about <netinst> and <check iso image>. To download via BitTorrent or Jigdo, ask me about <bittorrent> or <jigdo> respectively. Debian CD image FAQ: http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/ See also <vendors>, <various cd1>, <blu-ray disc>, <iso mount>, <bchunk>, <iat>, <uif>.`
`02:01.32`	`QUE`	`slaps abrotman around a bit with a large trout`
`02:01.50`	`jhutchins_lt`	`QUE: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.4/i386/bt-cd/debian-504-i386-netinst.iso.torrent`
`02:02.27`	`jhutchins_lt`	`qq-: Consider reviewing the doc and fixing it.`
`02:02.36`	`jhutchins_lt`	`QUE`
`02:02.48`	`jhutchins_lt`	`Or find the download at http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/#netinst-stable`
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`02:02.52`	`rking`	`terranova: well, if you want everything to be rexpanded you could do something like INPUT="runapp ~/"; echo $INPUT; echo $(echo $INPUT)`
`02:02.57`	`tbsaunde`	`would fix it if he had ever made usb boot work :(`
`02:03.05`	`jhutchins_lt`	`http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.4/i386/iso-cd/debian-504-i386-netinst.iso is what I should have pasted.`
`02:03.18`	`rking`	`terranova: Oh, sorry.. I meant "eval" on the main command of that last command--- so eval $(echo $INPUT)`
`02:03.18`	`jhutchins_lt`	`tbsaunde: Well, yes, have you?`
`02:03.22`	`QUE`	`yes`
`02:03.23`	`QUE`	`i found it`
`02:03.37`	`QUE`	`i downloaded iso & gz file`
`02:03.44`	`QUE`	`boog.img.gz`
`02:03.50`	`jhutchins_lt`	`tbsaunde: I mean, I don't need to, all my installs are done already. I could go back and test stuff so I could rewrite the docs, but other people might do a better job.`
`02:03.53`	`rking`	`terranova: if you play around with eval and $() you'll probably get it---it's just that you will also be expanding anything else, including quotation marks`
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`02:05.04`	`terranova`	`rking: it just take a look`
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`02:05.23`	`tbsaunde`	`jhutchins_lt: no, I've never goten usb boot to work`
`02:05.32`	`tbsaunde`	`gotin even`
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`02:05.46`	`tbsaunde`	`ah I can't spell`
`02:05.52`	`jhutchins_lt`	`tbsaunde: I've gotten live systems on a couple of distros to work, the installer can't be that hard.`
`02:06.01`	`jhutchins_lt`	`tbsaunde: I've also tinkered with custom install CD's.`
`02:06.12`	`QUE`	`any clue guys?`
`02:06.43`	`jhutchins_lt`	`Dude... dozens of clues.`
`02:06.52`	`jhutchins_lt`	`Up to you to put them together.`
`02:06.57`	`QUE`	`sure`
`02:07.05`	`QUE`	`i will restart my netbook then`
`02:07.05`	`qq-`	`!tell QUE about debian.exe`
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`02:07.13`	`jhutchins_lt`	`We'll try to improve the guides, but you've gotta make an effort.`
`02:07.22`	`QUE`	`i will`
`02:07.25`	`abrotman`	`he didn't even try!`
`02:07.26`	`tbsaunde`	`jhutchins_lt: yeah, I've just never needed to do it so I've never learned but I should so I may figure it out some day, I've never tried a custom cd either`
`02:07.26`	`QUE`	`what should i read?`
`02:07.29`	`abrotman`	`see`
`02:08.22`	`craigevil`	`http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/HowTo/InstallUsingStandardInstaller 4 simple steps its not that difficult`
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`02:11.37`	`QUE`	`netinst CD image (generally 135-175 MB)cuz i only have 480MB on my usb`
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`02:12.18`	`jhutchins_lt`	`Fine.`
`02:12.28`	`abrotman`	`so .. 480MB minus 150MB ...`
`02:12.34`	`dvs`	`3`
`02:12.35`	`dvs`	`?`
`02:12.39`	`abrotman`	`42?`
`02:12.50`	`QUE`	`one more`
`02:12.51`	`QUE`	`Using an empty USB device, do zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sdX (where sdX is the device your USB media is using)`
`02:12.53`	`QUE`	`i don't have linux`
`02:12.57`	`QUE`	`so i do i do step4?`
`02:12.59`	`QUE`	`so i do i do step3*`
`02:13.04`	`QUE`	`http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/HowTo/InstallUsingStandardInstaller`
`02:13.25`	`abrotman`	`the usb drive has to be emptied ...`
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`02:15.04`	`QUE`	`i don't have linux machine to type those command`
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`02:15.56`	`dvs`	`live cd?`
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`02:17.40`	`jhutchins_lt`	`QUE: Are you unfamiliar with copying files in Windows?`
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`02:18.04`	`QUE`	`sorry`
`02:18.05`	`QUE`	`my bad`
`02:18.13`	`QUE`	`googling what "zcat" means`
`02:18.17`	`QUE`	`maybe it's moving i think`
`02:18.33`	`macrobat`	`it kind of unzips`
`02:18.59`	`abrotman`	`thniks it smells`
`02:18.59`	`QUE`	`unzip boot.img.gz`
`02:19.00`	`QUE`	`i see`
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`02:19.11`	`QUE`	`one sec`
`02:19.39`	`QUE`	`ok done`
`02:19.40`	`QUE`	`rebooting it`
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`02:20.06`	`jhutchins_lt`	`Hm. Serious problem in updating the docs for setting up USB install on windows: I haven't had a functional windows system since 2004.`
`02:20.28`	`abrotman`	`jhutchins_lt: live cD? :)`
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`02:20.38`	`jhutchins_lt`	`Fsnort.`
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`02:27.11`	`QUE`	`hi jhutchins_lt`
`02:27.12`	`QUE`	`tar: This does not look like a tar archive`
`02:27.27`	`QUE`	`do i need to unzip boot.img.gz?`
`02:27.42`	`gen0cide`	`Do you recommned compiling the newest kernel from kernel.org ?`
`02:28.06`	`gen0cide`	`im running 2.6.32-bpo/5-686 atm`
`02:28.21`	`gen0cide`	`2.6.32-bpo.5-686`
`02:28.25`	`abrotman`	`do you have a need to change that kernel ?`
`02:29.13`	`gen0cide`	`My wifi card is limited to 1Mbps`
`02:29.24`	`gen0cide`	`and iwconfig shows a lot of nwid errors`
`02:29.52`	`abrotman`	`which wifi card is that ?`
`02:30.01`	`dvs`	`feels a broadcom coming on`
`02:30.18`	`gen0cide`	`atheros AR5413`
`02:30.20`	`gen0cide`	`lol`
`02:30.31`	`gen0cide`	`it works with older kenerls`
`02:30.39`	`gen0cide`	`its a 3 year old card`
`02:31.03`	`gen0cide`	`ubiquiti 600 mw abg minipci`
`02:32.05`	`gen0cide`	`I should revert to the older kernel first, and try a madwifi one more time`
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`02:32.16`	`gen0cide`	`a newer deb of madwifi`
`02:32.38`	`Metatron`	`or wicd or centi, centi is solid`
`02:32.53`	`terranova`	rking: "for absolute_path in `eval echo -e "$1"`;do ..." <= this is solution ;}
`02:33.31`	`gen0cide`	`whats wicd and centi`
`02:33.32`	`jhutchins_lt`	`QUE: .gz files are gzip, extracted with gunzip.`
`02:33.41`	`QUE`	`it says`
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`02:33.48`	`QUE`	`i need magicISO to mount the iso`
`02:33.49`	`QUE`	`i'm confused`
`02:34.01`	`gen0cide`	`o a network manager`
`02:34.17`	`gen0cide`	`i dont need that`
`02:34.19`	`Metatron`	`network managers i guess you would call them, that can handle wired or wireless, wicd has a gui that parks in the tray, centi is command line`
`02:34.30`	`jhutchins_lt`	`QUE: You don't want to mount the iso, you want to copy it to the USB.`
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`02:35.06`	`jhutchins_lt`	`Metatron: Low throughput is more likely to be driver than manager.`
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`02:35.13`	`abrotman`	`gen0cide: madwifi is dead upstream`
`02:35.15`	`jhutchins_lt`	`Metatron: Managers just handle the connections.`
`02:35.29`	`craigevil`	`QUE: there is a windows version of zcat and other GNU zip/unzip apps at http://sourceforge.net/projects/unxutils/files/`
`02:35.34`	`jhutchins_lt`	`gen0cide: If older kernels work better, fall back.`
`02:36.15`	`QUE`	`ok`
`02:36.16`	`jhutchins_lt`	`gen0cide: Compiling kernels from kernel.org is an advanced activity, you need to be pretty familiar with linux and Debian before you mess with it.`
`02:36.40`	`gen0cide`	`Ya ill just get the debian specific one`
`02:36.55`	`gen0cide`	`how can i get the newest defualt one for i686 with aptitude?`
`02:37.06`	`jhutchins_lt`	`aptitude install linux-image`
`02:37.09`	`jhutchins_lt`	`,kernels`
`02:37.11`	`judd`	`Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.34-1-686 (2.6.34-1~experimental.2); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-15); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-15); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-15~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-22lenny1); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2)`
`02:37.16`	`Metatron`	`jhutchins, yes its probably the driver, but he was gonna try madwifi, just suggesting alternatives`
`02:37.28`	`gen0cide`	`thanks`
`02:37.58`	`gen0cide`	`what advantage does the backport have over the regualar one`
`02:38.06`	`gen0cide`	`Im using madwifi now`
`02:38.26`	`gen0cide`	`I had the default 2.6.28 kernel with madwifi, but wasw getting kernel panics after an hour of use`
`02:38.30`	`jhutchins_lt`	`gen0cide: Backport is newer. This may or may not be a good thing.`
`02:38.37`	`gen0cide`	`thats because i wasnt using the newest version of madiwifi`
`02:39.15`	`jhutchins_lt`	`gen0cide: Madwifi is dead.`
`02:39.22`	`gen0cide`	`i have a backported kernel right now, and with the newest madwifi driver patched for the newest kernels, i get only 1Mbps and tons of nwid errors`
`02:39.25`	`gen0cide`	`heh i know`
`02:39.25`	`abrotman`	`gen0cide: you're using madwifi on a .32?`
`02:39.26`	`jhutchins_lt`	`gen0cide: Newest version is don't use madwifi.`
`02:39.31`	`gen0cide`	`I removed ath5k`
`02:39.35`	`abrotman`	`jesus .. use the ath5k`
`02:39.36`	`gen0cide`	`abrotman: ya`
`02:39.44`	`gen0cide`	`lol how wouold i get ath5k back then?`
`02:39.45`	`abrotman`	`madwifi is DEAD`
`02:39.46`	`jhutchins_lt`	`gen0cide: Why not fall back to the kernel that worked well?`
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`02:40.04`	`gen0cide`	`i rm'd ath5k`
`02:40.10`	`abrotman`	`Hi, I'm going to try really hard to shoot myself in the foot, please help`
`02:40.17`	`gen0cide`	`ha`
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`02:40.27`	`gen0cide`	`jhutchins_it : I might`
`02:40.30`	`jhutchins_lt`	`At some point, we have to stop helping with "I really want to drive this nail with this bananna".`
`02:40.32`	`abrotman`	`remove the madwifi junk, reinstall your kernel package`
`02:40.50`	`gen0cide`	`i cant remove madwifi untill i have get and install the kernel package`
`02:41.00`	`abrotman`	`then do that`
`02:41.12`	`gen0cide`	`How would i force a reinstall the kernel with aptitude?`
`02:41.22`	`abrotman`	`aptitude reinstall ?`
`02:41.42`	`gen0cide`	`Aptitude really is easy, if that works though`
`02:42.35`	`abrotman`	`you have to use the correct packagename`
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`02:43.15`	`gen0cide`	`"aptitude reinstall lenny-backports linux-image-686"`
`02:44.18`	`gen0cide`	`the kernel is cooking as we speak`
`02:44.35`	`gen0cide`	`that was fast`
`02:44.36`	`gen0cide`	`wtf`
`02:44.47`	`gen0cide`	`Why didnt it take a while`
`02:46.10`	`abrotman`	`you did it wrong`
`02:46.52`	`gen0cide`	`how do i do it right`
`02:47.03`	`abrotman`	`it's probably more like linux-image-2.6.32-5-686 .. but double check`
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`02:48.46`	`gen0cide`	`I installed it using this command when i installed it a week ago "aptitude -t lenny-backports install linux-image-686"`
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`02:49.06`	`abrotman`	`aptitude reinstall linux-image-2.6.32-5-686`
`02:50.37`	`gen0cide`	`itll get the backport?`
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`02:51.41`	`gen0cide`	`it sez its not installed so it will not be reinstalled`
`02:51.43`	`jhutchins_lt`	`-t`
`02:51.59`	`grimpirate`	`On startup I would like to input the terminal command xinput set-button-map "SynPS/2 Synaptics Touchpad" 1 2 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0`
`02:52.02`	`grimpirate`	`How would I do this?`
`02:52.15`	`gen0cide`	`i didnt do the -t`
`02:52.21`	`gen0cide`	`but now its reinalling`
`02:52.28`	`gen0cide`	`i added the bpo part in it`
`02:52.45`	`gen0cide`	`linux-image-2.6.32-bpo.5-686`
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`02:53.24`	`gen0cide`	`what does the -t do?`
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`02:55.26`	`rking`	terranova: Thanks for the update. =) I would use $() instead of ``'s though, because they nest... I don't think it matters in that situation but it's still my habit. =)
`02:55.29`	`jhutchins_lt`	`-t lennhy backports`
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`02:55.46`	`jhutchins_lt`	`gen0cide: Instructions on the main page of the backports site.`
`02:57.25`	`nsadmin`	`what is it about nzbget that makes it so bad?`
`02:57.27`	`gen0cide`	`ok i did it.`
`02:57.33`	`gen0cide`	`Now to see if ath5k wurks`
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`02:58.14`	`gen0cide`	`Hey does anyone know how to read the mail on freenode?`
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`02:59.15`	`abrotman`	`/msg memoserv list`
`02:59.22`	`abrotman`	`ask #freenode for more help`
`02:59.26`	`abrotman`	`or /msg memoserv help`
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`03:01.54`	`gen0cide`	`ok thanks`
`03:02.46`	`HermanDE-1`	`Anybody have a few ideas about creating system filters for a Cyrus+Exim server?`
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`03:05.42`	`abrotman`	`fat12`
`03:06.34`	`HermanDE-1`	`fat12... I still believe that floppies will rule raid systems....`
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`03:08.08`	`wonk`	`hi guys just installed a brand new squeeze but can't find the b43-fwcutter package, is it gone now?`
`03:08.23`	`abrotman`	`HermanDE-1: you didn't know that the storage backend for youtube is thousands of AOL floppies?`
`03:08.33`	`dondelelcaro`	`wonk: you probably are missing contrib`
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`03:09.30`	`abrotman`	`HermanDE-1: is there some reason you don't want to use ext3?`
`03:09.41`	`\k`	`wonk you can track packages at http://packages.qa.debian.org. At least is where I search for them`
`03:09.58`	`HermanDE-1`	`abrotman, That must explain the amount of floppies on ChatRoulette.....`
`03:10.05`	`abrotman`	`!tell wonk about contrib`
`03:10.07`	`abrotman`	`eww`
`03:10.22`	`abrotman`	`waves`
`03:10.30`	`wonk`	`thanks, how do i query debhelper?`
`03:10.38`	`HermanDE-1`	`abrotman, Usermode ZFS on a floppy is so much cooler....`
`03:10.43`	`wonk`	`i haven't been in this channel in about 5 years`
`03:10.57`	`abrotman`	`you mean dpkg ? /msg dpkg foo`
`03:11.10`	`wonk`	`is debhelper not a bot?`
`03:11.20`	`abrotman`	`he is, but that is not hte bot you seek`
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`03:11.41`	`wonk`	`what kind of bot is he?`
`03:11.48`	`abrotman`	`wonk: dpkg has the factoids .. all the real info`
`03:11.58`	`\k`	`he too busy`
`03:12.00`	`wonk`	`gotcha thank you`
`03:12.39`	`wonk`	`yep sure enough missing contrib`
`03:13.00`	`wonk`	`also is volatile different for squeeze?`
`03:20.08`	`terranova`	`rking:I changed the to $ (eval echo-e "$ 1"). Its much clearer than before, thanks for the tip.`
`03:21.20`	`Dewi`	`in gnome, is there an easy way to tile windows?`
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`03:21.41`	`Dewi`	`or a decent file manager that has a 2-pane view?`
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`03:22.29`	`TJ_ADOG`	`ok here is the question of the day :) I have a web site on a server that is running Deb 5 / 64bit. They wont let me compile anything on it, but I was wondering if I could set up a Debian 5 / 32bit system , compile my binary, then run it on the 64bit one? will that cause problems?`
`03:23.01`	`Dewi`	`TJ_ADOG: that won't work unless you actually cross-compile for 64bit`
`03:23.42`	`Metatron`	`what are you trying to compile`
`03:23.49`	`Dewi`	`TJ_ADOG: it'll be way easier if you find another debian 5 64bit system to build from`
`03:24.21`	`TJ_ADOG`	`Dewi: is it a huge process to cross-compile? I have a laptop that has 64bit processor here but when I tried to use Virtual Box to install 64bit debian from iso it (Virt Box) told me I didnt have a 64bit processor (turns out that I do, but it doesnt have the virtualization)`
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`03:24.44`	`TJ_ADOG`	`Metatron: I was trying to compile a package called BOOST so that I could then compile another package called Mapnik`
`03:24.56`	`TJ_ADOG`	`I can actually compile on the server.. but they limit my memory usage to 200mb`
`03:25.02`	`TJ_ADOG`	`for some reason boost > 200mb memory`
`03:25.06`	`TJ_ADOG`	`and it killed my compilation`
`03:25.42`	`Dewi`	`TJ_ADOG: I don't know, I've never done it`
`03:26.30`	`TJ_ADOG`	`Dewi: ok just wondering`
`03:26.33`	`Dewi`	`TJ_ADOG: but I can imagine the main pain to be getting all the 64-bit libs to link against`
`03:27.03`	`dondelelcaro`	`Dewi: you just use a 64 bit chroot or similar; it's pretty trivial.`
`03:27.15`	`dondelelcaro`	`(though it's easiest to build using a Debian system)`
`03:27.15`	`TJ_ADOG`	`well if I could safely "Dual-Boot" I might be able to install the 64bit debian on my laptop`
`03:27.22`	`TJ_ADOG`	`although id be a bit afraid of toasting my win7 installation`
`03:27.34`	`dondelelcaro`	`'course, if it's windows 7, all bets are off`
`03:27.52`	`Metatron`	`if your sure its a 64 bit cpu, maybe intal deb 5 64 as dual boot, delete it later, just need a few gb of space`
`03:28.10`	`TJ_ADOG`	`Metatron - yeah it is 64bit T4400 2.2 Intel Pentium`
`03:28.17`	`Dewi`	`TJ_ADOG: you could try another virtualization like vmware`
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`03:28.29`	`Metatron`	`test the live cd and see if it runs, not sure about compiling from livecd, might be possible, and the virtualization should work`
`03:28.40`	`Dewi`	`TJ_ADOG: which tends to work fine without special virtualization hardware`
`03:28.49`	`dondelelcaro`	`if you're not using 64 bit windows, though, that may be the problem... though I have no clue about what the story with virtualization on windows is`
`03:28.58`	`TJ_ADOG`	`this program on windows called securable says it has 64bits, hardware dep but NO hardware virtualization (although I was told by the vbox people to check my bios cause I MIGHT be able to turn virtualization on but they said intel is usually hit or miss)`
`03:29.09`	`TJ_ADOG`	`no im using 64bit win7`
`03:29.24`	`Dewi`	`dondelelcaro: that's true, at least with vmware`
`03:29.47`	`TJ_ADOG`	`Dewi: well I thought about trying vmware player... could try that still before I resort to dual booting. I like the live cd idea too ;)(`
`03:30.34`	`Dewi`	`TJ_ADOG: debian live CDs are great that way; it's just like a real system`
`03:31.11`	`TJ_ADOG`	`ok so if the live cd works... can I make a debian/linux partition to do some compiling? thats a thought`
`03:31.19`	`TJ_ADOG`	`ive use gparted before to update partitions from a live cd so I could do that`
`03:31.39`	`Dewi`	`TJ_ADOG: vmware server is also free to use and does a lot more, however it's not designed to be fast at video and such`
`03:32.06`	`Metatron`	`does your bios have something like Enable VT-x/AMD-V' option`
`03:32.21`	`TJ_ADOG`	`Metatron- I dont know I have to look ... havent checked yet`
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`03:35.10`	`QUE`	`hi all`
`03:35.43`	`QUE`	`for installing debian do i need to partition my hard drive which has windows vista installed?`
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`03:37.01`	`Metatron`	`que it would probably be best, i think there are ways to install ubuntu to ntfs, but i think you would have problems, just shrink the ntfs partition, make two paritions, one ext2 or 3 or 4, and another small one (800mb) formated as swap`
`03:37.08`	`Dewi`	`QUE: yes, unless you use some virtualization`
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`03:37.59`	`simonrvn`	`!lart Metatron`
`03:37.59`	`dpkg`	`holds Metatron to the floor and spanks him with a cat-o-nine-tails`
`03:38.12`	`Metatron`	`tease`
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`03:39.41`	`Xenguy`	`!lart dpkg`
`03:39.41`	`dpkg`	`brandishes Excalibur! "With this sword, I vanquish thee, xenguy!" and lops off xenguy's head`
`03:39.49`	`Xenguy`	`yikes`
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`03:40.43`	`Xenguy`	`all hail dpkg, or else :P`
`03:46.20`	`gen0cide`	`I blacklisted the madwifi modules in the etc/interfaces/madwifi file`
`03:46.20`	`HermanDE-1`	`Pish Posh.... Windows Updater shall smite the unholy smiter....`
`03:46.23`	`gen0cide`	`and rebooted`
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`03:46.36`	`gen0cide`	`and then "modprobe ath5k"'d , but the card is still called ath0`
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`03:46.50`	`Amse`	`damn skype`
`03:46.55`	`gen0cide`	`I though ath5k names the card wlan0 ?`
`03:46.57`	`gen0cide`	`thought`
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`03:47.32`	`HermanDE-1`	`gen0cide, Does lsmod still show the madwifi?`
`03:48.12`	`Metatron`	`i would think not, its a program not a module`
`03:48.36`	`gen0cide`	`it shows "ath_rate_sample" "ath_pci" "wlan_scan_sta" "ath_rate_sample"`
`03:48.43`	`tbsaunde`	`Metatron: madwifi is a set of modules`
`03:48.48`	`gen0cide`	`damnit somehow its still in there`
`03:49.00`	`tbsaunde`	`gen0cide: rmmod them all?`
`03:49.07`	`gen0cide`	`could it be that i compiled it for the kernel?`
`03:49.31`	`gen0cide`	`ill try that`
`03:49.38`	`HermanDE-1`	`gen0cide, .... Did you compile your own kernel?`
`03:49.44`	`tbsaunde`	`gen0cide: I believe you should be blacklisting in /etc/modprobe.d/foo not /etc/network/foo`
`03:49.47`	`Metatron`	`oh i didnt know that, modules yuck`
`03:50.01`	`Metatron`	`i quit using it some time ago, didnt remember`
`03:50.13`	`gen0cide`	`I "m-a" a madwifi deb package`
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`03:50.58`	`tbsaunde`	`gen0cide: the issue I belive is stuff in /etc/ you have modules for both ath5 and madwifi now I suspect`
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`03:51.53`	`HermanDE-1`	`gen0cide, Did you try apt-get remove (madwifi modules)?`
`03:53.01`	`gen0cide`	`ill try that`
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`03:54.02`	`gen0cide`	`it says "Couldnt find package ath_pci "`
`03:55.07`	`tbsaunde`	`gen0cide: what does?`
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`03:56.20`	`gen0cide`	`apt-get remove`
`03:56.39`	`gen0cide`	`Im going to add the modules into the /etc/modprobe.d blacklist`
`03:56.53`	`HermanDE-1`	`gen0cide, When you used "m a" it created customized DEBs.... Just remove the customized DEBs....`
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`03:57.57`	`HermanDE-1`	`gen0cide, Use aptitude or apt-cache to find your custom DEBs....`
`03:59.10`	`gen0cide`	`well im rebooting atm, im goign to see if that worked, if not ill do that`
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`04:00.08`	`gen0cide`	`damnit it didnt work`
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`04:00.31`	`gen0cide`	`it said "ignoring bad line starting with 'module name'`
`04:00.46`	`gen0cide`	`all the modules i added to it says its ignoring it`
`04:00.56`	`gen0cide`	`ok ill try the apt-cache way`
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`04:01.53`	`gen0cide`	`what command should i enter to find the madwifi deb using apt-cache`
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`04:02.14`	`tbsaunde`	`gen0cide: why not try rmmoding them, modprobing ath5 and see if it works? if it doesn't why not just stay with the old kernel and madwifi till ath5k works?`
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`04:03.05`	`tbsaunde`	`gen0cide: why not just do ls /var/cache/apt/archive/*.deb \| grep madwifi?`
`04:06.28`	`HermanDE-1`	`gen0cide, aptitude search madwifi \| grep "i"`
`04:07.21`	`HermanDE-1`	`gen0cide, That should be aptitude search madwifi \| grep "^i"`
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`04:07.39`	`gen0cide`	`HermanDE-1: it brought up 4 items`
`04:08.20`	`gen0cide`	`madwifi-modules-2.6.26-2-686 madwifi-modules-2.6.32-bpo.5-686 madwifi-source madwifi-tools`
`04:08.22`	`HermanDE-1`	`gen0cide, I'll bet one is the source.... One is the kernel modules.... One is the application and another is the docs....`
`04:09.09`	`gen0cide`	`what should i do with those 4`
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`04:10.33`	`HermanDE-1`	`gen0cide, It looks like you have two different kernel modules loaded.... apt-get remove (each deb)`
`04:11.09`	`HermanDE-1`	`gen0cide, It might have the module in the initfs....`
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`04:13.43`	`gen0cide`	`should i remove the madwifi-source, and madwifi-tools also?`
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`04:16.22`	`HermanDE-1`	`gen0cide, Sure....`
`04:16.28`	`gen0cide`	`ok`
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`04:16.53`	`HermanDE-1`	`gen0cide, Using the proper tool for the job makes life and beer taste better.....`
`04:17.14`	`gen0cide`	`im 19 its not legal to drink beer yet`
`04:17.17`	`gen0cide`	`hah`
`04:17.25`	`gen0cide`	`but beer is good yes.`
`04:17.59`	`gen0cide`	`damnit i rebooted but its still named ath0`
`04:18.20`	`gen0cide`	`lsmod still shows the madwifi modules are loaded`
`04:19.16`	`gen0cide`	`there we go`
`04:19.35`	`gen0cide`	`I rmmod'd all the madwifi modules and modprobe'd ath5k again now it sez wlan0`
`04:20.22`	`tbsaunde`	`gen0cide: ok, does wlan0 does useful stuff?`
`04:20.54`	`gen0cide`	`lol let me try`
`04:21.30`	`gen0cide`	`i replaced ath0 with wlan0 in my network script, and rebooting`
`04:21.44`	`HermanDE-1`	`gen0cide, What type of world do you live in where you need to be 19 to drink Root Beer?`
`04:21.53`	`HermanDE-1`	`gen0cide, Do you have lots of sand outside?`
`04:21.54`	`gen0cide`	`america fuck ya`
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`04:22.10`	`gen0cide`	`ha im in orange county california`
`04:22.22`	`krisfremen`	`is in florida`
`04:22.28`	`krisfremen`	`21+ for drinking`
`04:22.30`	`tbsaunde`	`gen0cide: do you have something against trying to configure it manually?`
`04:22.36`	`gen0cide`	`I like florida`
`04:22.38`	`HermanDE-1`	`gen0cide, Ok... Less sand.... More mud, floods and fires.....`
`04:22.46`	`gen0cide`	`tbsaunde: ya`
`04:22.48`	`krisfremen`	`gen0cide: if you like old people... ok..`
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`04:23.18`	`tbsaunde`	`thinks it would be a good way to test, but whatever`
`04:23.19`	`gen0cide`	`I liked how it only took 1 hour to goto the gulf, and only 1 hour to the alntic`
`04:23.26`	`gen0cide`	`from ocala`
`04:23.29`	`krisfremen`	`heh`
`04:23.52`	`gen0cide`	`the guld was muddy super salty, and the alantic was hot and salty`
`04:23.57`	`QUE`	`hi`
`04:24.00`	`gen0cide`	`the guld was salty also`
`04:24.10`	`gen0cide`	`The pacific ocean here is cold and not as salty`
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`04:24.57`	`gen0cide`	`OK so i rebooted, and somehow the madwifi modules loaded itself`
`04:25.09`	`gen0cide`	`Now its called ath0 again, and lsmod shows the modules`
`04:25.29`	`gen0cide`	`Even though i uninstalled the madwifi deb packages, added the modules to the blacklist etc`
`04:25.42`	`gen0cide`	`goddamn trollbox this is.`
`04:26.09`	`Metatron`	`just a thought if all this fails gen0cide, ebay has usb wifi adaptors for like $10, but if your like me youll make it work or die trying`
`04:26.36`	`gen0cide`	`lol nothing can replace this 600 mw card`
`04:26.40`	`gen0cide`	`from ubiquiti`
`04:26.56`	`HermanDE-1`	`gen0cide, Did you reconfigure your current kernel?`
`04:27.05`	`gen0cide`	`no`
`04:27.14`	`gen0cide`	`how should i do that`
`04:27.16`	`HermanDE-1`	`gen0cide, I'll bet that it loads it in the initrd.....`
`04:27.31`	`HermanDE-1`	`gen0cide, Debian is so cool that way....`
`04:27.31`	`gen0cide`	`How can i purge it from it?`
`04:27.35`	`gen0cide`	`lol`
`04:27.42`	`CharminTheMoose`	`Um.`
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`04:27.56`	`HermanDE-1`	`gen0cide, dpkg-reconfigure (the name of your current kernel)`
`04:28.20`	`craigevil`	`check your blacklist, the madwifi-tools blacklists ath5k`
`04:28.20`	`HermanDE-1`	`gen0cide, If you didn't recompile your kernel... It should be a common deb... Just reconfigure it....`
`04:28.31`	`CharminTheMoose`	`Iceweasel is refusing to have the first letter of a username box on sourceforge lowercase, it also makes it upper case, so I cannot log in. How do I disable this?`
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`04:29.50`	`gen0cide`	`why doesnt wlanconfig work with ath5k`
`04:30.05`	`gen0cide`	`I try "wlanconfig wlan0 list scan"`
`04:30.23`	`kendoggie`	`what was the purpose of debian putting iceweasel instead of firefox in their distro?`
`04:30.30`	`gen0cide`	`and it sez, "ioctl[unknown???]: Operation not supported`
`04:30.34`	`craigevil`	`!why iceweasel`
`04:30.34`	`dpkg`	`Due to Mozilla logos licensing, Mozilla software isn't DFSG-free, so Debian distributes Mozilla software with different logos. One day Mozilla Corporation decided to revoke the agreement to let Debian use Mozilla trademarks, so Debian changed to non-trademarked product names. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation_software_rebranded_in_Debian for more information. http://glandium.org/blog/?p=933. Ask me about <dfsg>.`
`04:31.23`	`gen0cide`	`i wantto see if ath5k functions before i recognfigure the kernel, because internet at 1Mbps is better than 0Mpbs lol.`
`04:31.29`	`tbsaunde`	`gen0cide: what is wlanconfig? is that part of madwifi? use iwconfig`
`04:31.38`	`kendoggie`	`thanks`
`04:32.04`	`HermanDE-1`	`gen0cide, iwconfig is magic....`
`04:32.24`	`craigevil`	`gen0cide: check your blacklist and make sure ath5k isnt listed, then check /etc/network/interfaces and make sure wlan0 is listed`
`04:32.56`	`gen0cide`	`but wlanconfig shows each ap in 1 line, which is nice because the debian box is cl only`
`04:33.00`	`gen0cide`	`and i cant scroll up`
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`04:33.12`	`gen0cide`	`how do i scan with iwconfig`
`04:33.12`	`HermanDE-1`	`gen0cide, It will just take the configs and script from the kernel deb and rerun the setup script... Easy Peasy.....`
`04:33.16`	`craigevil`	`sure you can shift+page up/page down`
`04:33.25`	`gen0cide`	`ho shit`
`04:33.30`	`gen0cide`	`i didnt know you could do that`
`04:33.33`	`HermanDE-1`	`gen0cide, It will not create a new kernel... Just a new initrd and go through the modules.....`
`04:33.34`	`gen0cide`	`ha`
`04:33.49`	`HermanDE-1`	`Good tools lead to easy times.....`
`04:34.07`	`gen0cide`	`ok ill do that`
`04:34.16`	`tbsaunde`	`gen0cide: iwlist wlan0 scan \| less is what I typically do`
`04:34.24`	`Metatron`	`CharminTheMoose, ive never heard of that, have you perhaps loaded a spell checker that is trying to capitilize the word, or a auto complete pluging that is capitilizing?`
`04:34.25`	`HermanDE-1`	`gen0cide, If you run the reconfig... I'll bet you couldn't take a piss fast enough to beat it....`
`04:34.25`	`gen0cide`	`omg ath5k is like 3 x more powerfull!`
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`04:34.37`	`gen0cide`	`The quality of all the aps i pick up increased 3 fold!`
`04:34.47`	`gen0cide`	`the signal strength`
`04:34.53`	`gen0cide`	`auhsum`
`04:35.16`	`HermanDE-1`	`gen0cide, I'll take it that things are working....`
`04:35.17`	`tbsaunde`	`gen0cide: nice`
`04:35.29`	`gen0cide`	`heh, but i still gota make it so it doesnt load madwifi`
`04:35.33`	`gen0cide`	`So ill do what you said`
`04:35.36`	`CharminTheMoose`	`Metatron, hm, the autocomplete thing sounds right.. But this is the inbuilt form saver thing that can be used to save usernames/passwords automatically.`
`04:35.44`	`QUE`	`http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/HowTo/InstallUsingStandardInstaller`
`04:35.52`	`QUE`	`Use DAEMON Tools, Virtual CloneDrive, MagicISO, Alcohol 52%, or whatever to mount the boot.img file`
`04:35.52`	`QUE`	`Copy the entire contents of the mounted boot.img to the usb drive overwriting files.`
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`04:36.09`	`Metatron`	`maybe clear the form data`
`04:36.11`	`QUE`	`but i only have 480 MB`
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`04:38.40`	`tbsaunde`	`QUE: I thought the boot.img was 256m? 480 > 256 last time I checked`
`04:38.55`	`HermanDE-1`	`QUE, Use the neboot or business card image.....`
`04:39.21`	`gen0cide`	`hmm, why doesnt dhclient work with wlan0`
`04:39.24`	`HermanDE-1`	`QUE, Or use a TFTP/netboot.....`
`04:39.49`	`HermanDE-1`	`QUE, with an nfs image....`
`04:39.54`	`tbsaunde`	`QUE: is wlan0 associate?`
`04:40.06`	`gen0cide`	`It keeps scrolling "DHCPDISCOVER on wlan0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval n`
`04:40.10`	`tbsaunde`	`gen0cide: ^^`
`04:40.27`	`gen0cide`	`ya i used iwconfig wlan0 ap "ap"`
`04:40.32`	`gen0cide`	`the mac address`
`04:40.34`	`HermanDE-1`	`gen0cide, Do you have the lan associated with an ap?`
`04:40.36`	`tbsaunde`	`gen0cide: run iwconfig wlan0 what is the essid?`
`04:40.47`	`gen0cide`	`2WIRE908`
`04:41.06`	`tbsaunde`	`gen0cide: is that the ssid you want?`
`04:41.08`	`gen0cide`	`wait nm, it says not-associated`
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`04:41.23`	`gen0cide`	`so the problem is that it cant associate wti han ap`
`04:41.26`	`gen0cide`	`hmm`
`04:41.27`	`tbsaunde`	`gen0cide: it should give you your connection level to`
`04:41.44`	`CharminTheMoose`	`Metatron, Hm, that did seem to work, thanks a lot! :-)`
`04:41.46`	`gen0cide`	`its not associated`
`04:41.56`	`tbsaunde`	`gen0cide: I always use iwconfig wlan0 essid <the ssid I want>`
`04:42.11`	`Metatron`	`cool`
`04:42.15`	`QUE`	`hi tbsaunde`
`04:42.20`	`QUE`	`it's 239MB`
`04:42.32`	`QUE`	`but it says i need to mount img with "magicISO"`
`04:42.38`	`QUE`	`and extract all those files right?`
`04:42.41`	`gen0cide`	`hmm thats wierd that works`
`04:42.50`	`gen0cide`	`I always do it by mac adress`
`04:42.55`	`gen0cide`	`but thanks it worked by essid lol`
`04:43.06`	`tbsaunde`	`gen0cide: I've never used iwconfig wlan0 ap foo, don't know`
`04:43.18`	`gen0cide`	`and no nwid errors`
`04:43.23`	`gen0cide`	`will this fixed the problem heh`
`04:43.26`	`tbsaunde`	`is lazy and doesn't feel like typing mac addresses`
`04:43.44`	`gen0cide`	`now to remove the madwifi modules`
`04:43.45`	`tbsaunde`	`gen0cide: sounds good`
`04:44.44`	`tbsaunde`	`QUE: I think you copy the whole image onto the usb drive, not sure though the wiki article for eeepc explains it, you were linked before`
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`04:45.56`	`tbsaunde`	`gen0cide: not quiet sure how best to do that, last time I needed to do something like that I just applied rm, but mv madwifi-foo.ko madwifi-fooo.ok should work`
`04:46.19`	`tbsaunde`	`gen0cide: of course after that run depmod -a`
`04:48.48`	`QUE`	`hi tbsaunde`
`04:49.08`	`QUE`	`i put boot.img on my usb`
`04:49.19`	`gen0cide`	`HermanDE-1 sed to dpkg-reconfigure the kernel`
`04:49.24`	`QUE`	`i already put "USB HDD" at the first boot sequence`
`04:49.31`	`QUE`	`when i rebooted it,it doesn't run from usb`
`04:49.33`	`QUE`	`any clue?`
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`04:50.26`	`bleeber`	`you just drug the img to your usb stick?`
`04:50.53`	`tbsaunde`	`bleeber: yo know how this works I don't :(`
`04:51.17`	`bleeber`	`if you just dragged and dropped the boot.img to your usb, that will not work`
`04:51.29`	`bleeber`	`you need to write the boot.img image to the drive`
`04:51.43`	`QUE`	`how do i do that in windows?`
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`04:52.16`	`bleeber`	`there is a app called winimage that you can try`
`04:52.23`	`bleeber`	`winimage.com`
`04:52.56`	`gen0cide`	`Does linux comein german`
`04:53.11`	`gen0cide`	`so the cl is german`
`04:53.12`	`gen0cide`	`lol`
`04:53.48`	`bleeber`	`unfortunately the commands are not translated to other languages. How would you say ls in german`
`04:53.56`	`bleeber`	`or cd or mkdir etc`
`04:54.03`	`bleeber`	`just doesnt make sense`
`04:54.08`	`QUE`	`one sec`
`04:54.11`	`QUE`	`downloading`
`04:54.16`	`gen0cide`	`well the warning messages, loading messages etc could`
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`04:55.09`	`bleeber`	`im sure there is a way based on your set language that you could have errors in otehr languages`
`04:55.15`	`mnuhmnuh`	`gen0cide: dpkg-reconfigure locales`
`04:55.15`	`bleeber`	`just not renaming the basic commands`
`04:55.36`	`gen0cide`	`dpkg-reconfigure the kernel did it`
`04:55.44`	`gen0cide`	`But i still can use madwifi tools like wlanconfig`
`04:55.47`	`mnuhmnuh`	`gen0cide: then export LANG=??`
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`04:55.53`	`QUE`	`hi bleeber`
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`04:56.02`	`gen0cide`	`English is my language i was just wondering`
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`04:56.08`	`QUE`	`i open it up`
`04:56.09`	`gen0cide`	`i only had 2 german classes`
`04:56.13`	`QUE`	`i see lots of files`
`04:56.19`	`QUE`	`should i copy those files to my USB?`
`04:56.28`	`bleeber`	`QUE: no`
`04:56.29`	`TJ_ADOG`	`ok no virtual 64bit for me in bios... trying live debian cd for amd64`
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`04:56.39`	`TJ_ADOG`	`can someone tell me the diff. between lxde desktop and xfce desktop?`
`04:56.42`	`QUE`	`format a floppy and write current image on it?`
`04:56.43`	`bleeber`	`QUE: there should be a command like write to dick`
`04:56.48`	`QUE`	`dick?`
`04:56.49`	`QUE`	`haha`
`04:56.53`	`QUE`	`Geez..`
`04:56.54`	`bleeber`	`disk*`
`04:57.22`	`MeglaW`	`dd`
`04:57.37`	`bleeber`	`I dont know this application I was just making a recommendation based ona google search`
`04:58.09`	`gen0cide`	`hmm i cant associate with a hotspot using "iwconfig wlan0 ap "mac add.""`
`04:58.12`	`gen0cide`	`this pisses me off`
`04:58.28`	`gen0cide`	`but it works when i specify the ssid`
`04:58.39`	`sweetpi`	`try bssid?`
`04:58.43`	`QUE`	`one more.i'm writing to dick. after that i put debian-504-amd64-netinstall in it?`
`04:58.44`	`craigevil`	`TJ_ADOG: they are different desktop environments. see http://www.xfce.org/ and http://lxde.org/ , lxde is the lighter of the tow`
`04:59.02`	`gen0cide`	`sez its not a command`
`04:59.05`	`craigevil`	`s/two/two`
`04:59.09`	`gen0cide`	`this is a hinderance`
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`04:59.45`	`sweetpi`	`gen0cide: have you tried iwconfig ifname bssid noquotesbssid`
`05:00.07`	`craigevil`	`gen0cide: install wicd or network-manager then you have a GUI to scan and connect with`
`05:01.42`	`gen0cide`	`craigevil: its just a cl`
`05:01.53`	`gen0cide`	`I dontwant to put a windows manager on this`
`05:02.04`	`gen0cide`	`its a thinclient that acts as my internet gateway`
`05:02.24`	`ZeuZ`	`I'm seing the following error with Xen: http://pastebin.com/mBvhFti6`
`05:02.30`	`ZeuZ`	`Can't get ahold of what to do to keep going.`
`05:02.48`	`sweetpi`	`i forgot that essid is required, you can specify the bssid but you always have to have the essid`
`05:02.52`	`ZeuZ`	`I've found some bugtracks regarding lenny's XEN, and followed their advice to install some packages, but still...`
`05:02.55`	`QUE`	`hi all`
`05:03.05`	`gen0cide`	`sweetpi: it says iwconfig: unknown command "bssid"`
`05:03.06`	`QUE`	`i pressed "Write to disk" nothing happens.`
`05:03.07`	`QUE`	`help`
`05:03.14`	`QUE`	`bleeber ?`
`05:03.35`	`sweetpi`	`gen0cide: yeah just a guess, im using wpa_supplicant`
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`05:05.30`	`craigevil`	`gen0cide: you might try ceni, its a cli network-manager like app, http://sidux.com/debian/pool/main/c/ceni/ceni_2.10_all.deb , http://manual.sidux.com/en/internet-connecting-en.htm`
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`05:06.22`	`gen0cide`	`meh`
`05:06.31`	`gen0cide`	`clear`
`05:06.42`	`gen0cide`	`heh i meant to type clear on my debian box`
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`05:08.06`	`acu`	`I need to expand the PCI slots in one computer - I found a backplane with few PCI slots - I am still confused how a backplane connects to main motherboard - and whether debian will recognize the new PCI slots`
`05:08.22`	`gen0cide`	`\join ##linux`
`05:08.59`	`jmarsden`	`Or maybe ##hardware`
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`05:09.52`	`TJ_ADOG`	`craigevil: thanks I am downloading lxde right now`
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`05:11.10`	`gen0cide`	`i accidently typed /join ##linux, i did it in the wrong window`
`05:11.13`	`gen0cide`	`im gettin tired`
`05:11.17`	`gen0cide`	`heh`
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`05:11.38`	`gen0cide`	`Still trying to figure out why ath5k wont let me associate with an ap by its mac address`
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`05:12.03`	`kendoggie`	`thanks bbl`
`05:12.25`	`acu`	`where is that #hardware`
`05:13.09`	`mnuhmnuh`	`acu: guess: #debian-hardware`
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`05:14.15`	`acu`	`#hardware is there but is by invite only (like the swedish royal wedding) - siege mentality :)`
`05:14.35`	`sweetpi`	`gen0cide: using wpa?`
`05:14.48`	`gen0cide`	`no wep`
`05:15.30`	`sweetpi`	`not sure if its the same idea, but wpa uses the ssid and key to authenticate`
`05:15.40`	`sweetpi`	`also access points can have more than one ssid`
`05:16.03`	`sweetpi`	`*bound to the same mac`
`05:17.03`	`QUE`	`hi all`
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`05:17.58`	`tixlegeek`	`hi guys`
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`05:18.34`	`HermanDE-1`	`gen0cide, I'll take it that you reconfigured the kernel.... :)`
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`05:18.45`	`gen0cide`	`heh i did`
`05:19.02`	`gen0cide`	`now i have a new problem with ath5k not associating with an ap`
`05:20.53`	`TJ_ADOG`	`does the live cd include standard compile tools like gcc ?`
`05:22.19`	`QUE`	`http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/HowTo/InstallUsingStandardInstaller`
`05:22.24`	`tbsaunde`	`gen0cide: are you giving iwconfig the wep key?`
`05:22.32`	`QUE`	`i extract files from boot.img and put onto my USB drive`
`05:22.39`	`QUE`	`beside,i put iso file in there also`
`05:22.40`	`QUE`	`any clue?`
`05:22.43`	`QUE`	`i'm installing debian`
`05:22.53`	`tbsaunde`	`TJ_ADOG: if it doens't you can apt-get install them, its a functional debian system I believe`
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`05:23.05`	`QUE`	`hi tbsaunde`
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`05:23.24`	`TJ_ADOG`	`tbsaunde: great thanks :)`
`05:23.33`	`gen0cide`	`tbsaunde: ya`
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`05:24.32`	`tbsaunde`	`gen0cide: so you do iwconfig wlan0 essid <some essid> key <the key>`
`05:24.47`	`tbsaunde`	`gen0cide: and iwconfig wlan0 doesn't say your associated?`
`05:25.33`	`tbsaunde`	`gen0cide: why not install wpa_supplicatn? it works pretty well for wep and unencrypted as well as wpa`
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`05:26.03`	`tbsaunde`	`*wpa_supplicant`
`05:26.49`	`gen0cide`	`tbsaunde: yep not working`
`05:26.57`	`gen0cide`	`But why, this was working with old madiwif`
`05:27.02`	`tbsaunde`	`QUE: you again you don't extract the boot.img, you write it onto the usb drive as a new file system, with linux you zcat it, I don't know how to do it with windows`
`05:27.14`	`gen0cide`	`frigen shit is ghey.`
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`05:27.57`	`QUE`	`hey tbsaunde`
`05:27.57`	`QUE`	`i use winimage`
`05:28.04`	`QUE`	`i extract all files inside "boot.img"`
`05:28.06`	`QUE`	`to the usb`
`05:28.34`	`gen0cide`	`Could i have accidently removed something when i was removing the madwifi stuff>`
`05:28.34`	`gen0cide`	`?`
`05:28.38`	`tbsaunde`	`gen0cide: based on the existance of madwifi-tools I assume that those tools like wificonfig are madwifi supported, and of course the standard wireless tools have a different interface`
`05:28.51`	`gen0cide`	`im using iwconfig`
`05:28.54`	`ZeuZ`	`QUE: Spanish talker?`
`05:29.00`	`gen0cide`	`to try to connect with na ap`
`05:29.02`	`gen0cide`	`an*`
`05:29.09`	`tbsaunde`	`gen0cide: I don't think so there is no package other than the kernel and wireless-tools you should need`
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`05:30.05`	`QUE`	`hey ZeuZ`
`05:30.08`	`QUE`	`what?`
`05:30.14`	`QUE`	`no i don't know anything about spanish`
`05:30.18`	`tbsaunde`	`gen0cide: exactly what does happen when you try to associate with a wep encrypted ap using iwconfig wlan0 essid foo key bar?`
`05:30.20`	`QUE`	`although i like spain though`
`05:30.24`	`QUE`	`in wordlcup`
`05:30.35`	`gen0cide`	`tbsaunde: nothing`
`05:30.42`	`gen0cide`	`it shows the key in iwconfig`
`05:30.51`	`gen0cide`	`but it still says "not-associated"`
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`05:31.32`	`tbsaunde`	`gen0cide: weird, don't know, it associated with non encrypted ap's right?`
`05:31.54`	`gen0cide`	`let met try`
`05:32.04`	`gen0cide`	`ill turn of the key`
`05:32.11`	`tbsaunde`	`gen0cide: I'd just use wpa_supplicant and not try to figure it out, I don't know what the problem is, but dmesg may say something interesting try dmesg \| tail`
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`05:33.03`	`gen0cide`	`hmm 2 interesting things:`
`05:33.44`	`gen0cide`	`[ 13.101420] ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): eth1: link is not ready`
`05:34.08`	`gen0cide`	`[ 13.300376] ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): wlan0: link is not ready`
`05:34.59`	`TJ_ADOG`	`ok thanks to all who have helped me, im gonna try to boot with debian live cd and see if I can get it to recognize my 64bit cpu`
`05:35.38`	`tbsaunde`	`TJ_ADOG: I'll be really suprised if it doesn't boot`
`05:36.02`	`TJ_ADOG`	`well I hope it does :)`
`05:36.04`	`tbsaunde`	`gen0cide: eth1 is eithernet, I'm not really sure that doesn't explain much`
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`05:38.13`	`gen0cide`	`i know`
`05:38.17`	`gen0cide`	`hmm`
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`05:38.29`	`gen0cide`	`lol fix one thing create more problems`
`05:39.07`	`tbsaunde`	`gen0cide: how did the un encrypted ap work out?`
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`05:39.56`	`QUE`	`hi`
`05:40.25`	`QUE`	`my pc is capable of running 64bit but the verision of debian you are trying to install is 32 bit`
`05:41.24`	`QUE`	`any where i can get 64?`
`05:41.51`	`gen0cide`	`brb gotta login into the router to change it`
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`05:41.54`	`Lazy^`	`from debian site =)`
`05:41.57`	`TJ_ADOG`	`QUE - if you want the live cd for 64bit you can go here: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/release/current-live/amd64/iso-cd/`
`05:42.09`	`emergion`	`hey how can I find out the release name for a debian version ?`
`05:42.11`	`TJ_ADOG`	`thats what i just burned and verifying now`
`05:42.35`	`jpinx-eeepc`	`QUE: is the amd64 not what you want?`
`05:42.46`	`jpinx-eeepc`	`emergion: in your system?`
`05:43.01`	`QUE`	`i have amd64`
`05:43.08`	`QUE`	`but wht boot.img is 32 bit`
`05:43.11`	`QUE`	`wright?`
`05:43.11`	`jpinx-eeepc`	`emergion: cat /etc/debian-version`
`05:43.12`	`TJ_ADOG`	`ok my cd just verified... time to boot debian 5 iso for amd64 ;)`
`05:43.17`	`TJ_ADOG`	`night all`
`05:43.23`	`emergion`	`lol I dunno just anyway I have 5.0.1`
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`05:43.44`	`jpinx-eeepc`	`emergion: that's lenny and needs updating to 5.0.3 ;)`
`05:44.04`	`jpinx-eeepc`	`emergion: you're behind on your security :o`
`05:44.22`	`emergion`	`jpinx-eeepc, heh`
`05:44.25`	`emergion`	`uh oh`
`05:44.30`	`emergion`	`might get hacked lol`
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`05:45.49`	`gen0cide`	`nope cant connect to a non-passworded one either`
`05:46.29`	`QUE`	`jpinx-eeepc you here?`
`05:47.34`	`emergion`	`Does anyone know the name of the package for passenger or (mod_rails_`
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`05:48.33`	`tbsaunde`	`gen0cide: no idea, wireless generally hates me :(`
`05:48.48`	`emergion`	`got it :)`
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`05:50.10`	`gen0cide`	`Lol this just popped up`
`05:50.58`	`gen0cide`	`[ 1549.846893] ath5k phy0: noise floor callibration timeout (2412Mhz)`
`05:51.06`	`jpinx-eeepc`	`QUE: all the installation ninstructions are in debian.org`
`05:51.08`	`gen0cide`	`wuts that mean`
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`05:51.44`	`jpinx-eeepc`	`*ninjastructions ? :/`
`05:52.40`	`Dewi`	`in gnome, is there an easy way to tile windows?`
`05:52.46`	`Dewi`	`or a decent file manager that has a 2-pane view?`
`05:53.15`	`daffel`	`Dewi: Gnome nautilus supports 2-pane view`
`05:53.20`	`jpinx-eeepc`	`pcmanfm has tabbs`
`05:53.52`	`jpinx-eeepc`	`Dewi: why 2-pane instead of tabs?`
`05:54.04`	`daffel`	`Dewi: nautilus -> View -> Extra pane. Or F3`
`05:54.34`	`Dewi`	`jpinx-eeepc: I want to drag between them`
`05:54.34`	`Bushmills`	`running ion2 or another tiling wm instead of metacity should do nicely`
`05:54.46`	`gen0cide`	`iwconfig doesnt show all the options for wlan0`
`05:54.56`	`gen0cide`	`it leaves out the rx, tx etc info`
`05:55.01`	`gen0cide`	`the nwid error info etc`
`05:55.28`	`jpinx-eeepc`	`Dewi: pcmanfm will run two panes`
`05:55.48`	`gen0cide`	`it only shows IEEE, ESSID, Mode, AP. TX-power. Retry long limit, RTS thr, Fragment THR, Encryption Key, and Power management`
`05:55.54`	`Dewi`	`daffel: that doesn't seem to be in lenny yet`
`05:56.11`	`daffel`	`Dewi: It is gnome 2.30`
`05:56.11`	`valdyn`	`gen0cide: ifconfig shows the other stuff`
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`05:56.41`	`daffel`	`Dewi: I used to use gnome commander before Gnome 2.30`
`05:56.50`	`jpinx-eeepc`	`Dewi: use pcmanfm - I am checking and it does what you want`
`05:57.00`	`Bushmills`	`gnome-commander (sort of a graphical version of midnight commander) might do as wel`
`05:57.18`	`Dewi`	`daffel: yeah, lenny is still 2.2. I'll check out gnome-commander and pcmanfm`
`05:57.33`	`Dewi`	`daffel: er, I meant 2.20`
`05:58.03`	`Bushmills`	`ehm, as daffel said`
`05:58.54`	`daffel`	`Dewi: Right. Bushmills and me mentioned gnome-commander. That is a old tool that works. Not very fancy, but bring back some good memories from the good old days`
`05:59.01`	`gen0cide`	`Only iwconfig shows the nwid error count`
`05:59.10`	`daffel`	`Dewi: Or just use "mc" in a terminal`
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`06:00.11`	`valdyn`	`gen0cide: nothing wrong with that`
`06:01.26`	`jpinx-eeepc`	`Dewi: really - pcmanfm is what you need and it's up-to-date`
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`06:03.11`	`ZeuZ`	`Error: Device 768 (vbd) could not be connected. -----> Has anybody come across that error with Xen?`
`06:03.14`	`gen0cide`	`fuck this isnt better than madwifi`
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`06:03.19`	`gen0cide`	`ath5k is shit`
`06:03.39`	`jpinx-eeepc`	`gen0cide: you got wifi issues?`
`06:03.43`	`valdyn`	`gen0cide: madwifi is probably better until recently`
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`06:03.51`	`jpinx-eeepc`	`!wifi`
`06:03.52`	`dpkg`	`Support for your wireless LAN device is dependent on the chipset within. Don't know what you have? Ask me about <what's my wireless>. Atheros: <atheros>; Atmel: <atmel>; Broadcom: <b43>, <wl>; Intel: <ipw2100>, <ipw2200>, <iwlwifi>, <iwlagn>; Intersil: <prism>; Ralink: <ralink>; Realtek: <rtl-wifi>; TI: <acx100>; ZyDAS: <zydas>. See also: <wlan howto>, <wpa>, <killswitch>, <wimax>. http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi`
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`06:04.26`	`jpinx-eeepc`	`gen0cide: if it's any consolation wifi can be a pita to set up, but works fine once you're there`
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`06:05.18`	`gen0cide`	`lol`
`06:05.19`	`gen0cide`	`!ath5k`
`06:05.19`	`dpkg`	`[ath5k] a completely free (no proprietary HAL) driver for Atheros 802.11a/bg PCI wireless LAN chipsets. Included in Debian kernels since 2.6.24. See http://wiki.debian.org/ath5k for more information and supported devices. For AR5007* devices, ask me about <ar2425>. For 802.11n device support, ask me about <ath9k>. See also <backports.org>.`
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`06:06.44`	`chovy`	`how do i start the ssh server?`
`06:07.12`	`tbsaunde`	`chovy: /etc/init.d/ssh start`
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`06:08.35`	`chovy`	`tbsaunde: no such file`
`06:08.59`	`chovy`	`doesn't the base server install have ssh server on it?`
`06:09.23`	`jpinx-eeepc`	`chovy: no`
`06:09.28`	`valdyn`	`chovy: what is "base server" ?`
`06:09.37`	`chovy`	`the cd`
`06:09.52`	`chovy`	`i choose "server" during install from cd.`
`06:09.59`	`valdyn`	`chovy: if you dont select a task or install any package then you only get bare minimum number of packages`
`06:10.06`	`chovy`	`ok`
`06:10.06`	`ZeuZ`	`chovy, that's even dependant of what installation media you chose`
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`06:10.15`	`funyun`	`noob here. can anyone help me figure out how to mux a .m2ts file to .ts with tsmuxer? here's the manual but i don't understand it. http://forum.doom9.org/archive/index.php/t-142559.html`
`06:10.37`	`jpinx-eeepc`	`chovy: I told you .. no`
`06:11.06`	`bleeber`	`apt-get install openssh-server`
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`06:11.21`	`bleeber`	`/etc/init.d/ssh start`
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`06:14.06`	`chovy`	`jpinx-eeepc: i heard.`
`06:14.18`	`chovy`	`thanks bleeber i just installed ssh that put everything there.`
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`06:19.22`	`Coweater`	`how do i get at the devices for my software raid partition? they don't seem to have nodes in the dev filesystem anymore`
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`06:20.28`	`valdyn`	`Coweater: they are autogenerated when the raids are started`
`06:20.54`	`Coweater`	`i mean the devices that make up the raid, sdX etc.`
`06:21.15`	`valdyn`	`Coweater: autogenerated when the devices are detected`
`06:21.59`	`Coweater`	`yes, but they aren't there`
`06:22.42`	`valdyn`	`Coweater: which debian release is it? give "uname -r" output`
`06:23.07`	`Coweater`	`this is testing`
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`06:24.15`	`funyun`	`noob here. can anyone help me figure out how to mux a .m2ts file to .ts with tsmuxer? here's the manual but i don't understand it. http://forum.doom9.org/archive/index.php/t-142559.html`
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`06:25.35`	`valdyn`	`funyun: "tsmuser --demux file.m2ts" does not work?`
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`06:26.57`	`funyun`	`valdyn: Error opening file --demux: No such file or directory(2`
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`06:28.47`	`funyun`	`valdyn: from what i gather. i have to make a META file. but from the instructions. i don't understand how to do that`
`06:29.18`	`valdyn`	`funyun: you dont need to, you can`
`06:31.55`	`ZeuZ`	`xenconsole: Could not read tty from store: No such file or directory ------------> Has anybody come across that?`
`06:32.26`	`Gryfelhase`	I'm trying to compile the very very basic sdl examples, but it doesn't work. First it couldn't find SDL.h, after change it to SDL/SDL.h errors: like undefined reference to `SDL_Init' stay
`06:32.54`	`Gryfelhase`	`is this some debian-extra knowledge you need to get it work ?`
`06:33.02`	`valdyn`	`Gryfelhase: no, some gcc knowledge`
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`06:33.21`	`valdyn`	`Gryfelhase: you fixed the missing header, but you did not tell gcc which libraries to link`
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`06:33.47`	`funyun`	`valdyn: maybe fixing the gui problem would be my best bet. when i type tsmuxergui. i get error while loading shared libraries: libgthread-2.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory`
`06:33.52`	`funyun`	`any idea why?`
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`06:34.15`	`valdyn`	`!tell funyun -about search`
`06:34.26`	`Gryfelhase`	`valdyn: Ok, thx for pointing to the right direction`
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`06:35.28`	`funyun`	`valdyn: i have it installed already. when i tried to install it, it said i already have the newest version`
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`06:40.37`	`funyun`	`valdyn: any ideas?`
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`06:44.02`	`funyun`	`i'm getting this error when trying to run tsmuxergui, can anyone help me? while loading shared libraries: libgthread-2.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory`
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`06:46.02`	`sweetpi`	`ls -al /usr/lib/libgthread-2.0.so.0`
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`06:46.51`	`funyun`	`sweetpi: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 26 2010-04-08 03:07 /usr/lib/libgthread-2.0.so.0 -> libgthread-2.0.so.0.1600.6`
`06:47.12`	`sweetpi`	`ls -al /usr/lib/libgthread-2.0.so.0.1600.6`
`06:47.39`	`funyun`	`sweetpi: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 17720 2009-11-14 16:52 /usr/lib/libgthread-2.0.so.0.1600.6`
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`06:48.22`	`sweetpi`	`did you compile tsmuxergui or install from apt?`
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`06:49.44`	`funyun`	`sweetpi: i downloaded from http://www.smlabs.net/tsmuxer_en.html, there's no option to compile. the zip file only includes tsmuxer and tsmuxergui`
`06:50.08`	`simplechat`	`Hey guys, just generally. Has anybody here gotten exim to actually run?`
`06:50.14`	`simplechat`	`as in not break horribly?`
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`06:52.29`	`funyun`	`sweetpi: and there's no package that i could find :(`
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`06:58.15`	`sweetpi`	`funyun: ldd pathto_tsmuxergui \| grep gthread`
`06:59.23`	`PriitM`	`Hi, I got interesting situation here. I run my PC 24/7, it has grub password configured for booting any OS.`
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`07:00.06`	`PriitM`	`Power went out for a second today and for my surprise I found out that computer has rebooted`
`07:00.28`	`PriitM`	`It rebooted and got to login screen without asking grub password`
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`07:03.21`	`funyun`	`sweetpi: still getting the same error`
`07:03.27`	`stanwell`	`Using mplayer. Cannot stream C-Span video. Any help?`
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`07:04.03`	`sweetpi`	`funyun: LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/libgthread-2.0.so.0 pathto_txmuxergui`
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`07:04.19`	`sweetpi`	`funyun: also, you didnt tell me the output of ldd`
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`07:05.59`	`funyun`	`sweetpi: ERROR: ld.so: object '/usr/lib/libgthread-2.0.so.0' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded: ignored. source/tsMuxerGUI: error while loading shared libraries: libgthread-2.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory`
`07:06.13`	`Cpt_Zyph`	`hey guys i have a rather old laptop.. and was refered to you guys as a distro that might possably have a pretty striped down version out there .. I only need this machine to brwose the web via wifi and IM / irc channels etc`
`07:06.14`	`funyun`	`sweetpi: ldd didn't give an output`
`07:07.07`	`sweetpi`	`funyun: then tsmuxergui is launching another process, maybe tsmuxer?`
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`07:08.19`	`Ozzapoo`	`Hi`
`07:08.26`	`Ozzapoo`	`Can someone tell me how I can force apt-get to install a package?`
`07:08.30`	`Ozzapoo`	`and ignore the dependencies?`
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`07:09.57`	`funyun`	`sweetpi: i just checked top. there's no tsmuxer running`
`07:10.16`	`jelly-home`	`Ozzapoo: apt will be unusable until the dependencies are fixed`
`07:10.22`	`Ozzapoo`	`oh.`
`07:10.23`	`Cpt_Zyph`	`i'm having a hard time trying to pick which cd/dvd distro to download for this laptop i'm on.. is there a guide to pick ?`
`07:10.45`	`jelly-home`	`Ozzapoo: which debian release are you using? What is the exact package and version that cannot be installed?`
`07:10.52`	`sweetpi`	`funyun: well obviously something has to be trying to load libgthread`
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`07:11.03`	`Ozzapoo`	`i'm actually not using debian, but i figured this'd be the place for APT support`
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`07:12.39`	`funyun`	`sweetpi: would it be simpler to just try to figure out how to use tsmuxer via command line?`
`07:12.48`	`sweetpi`	`funyun: tsmuxergui is in debian multimedia`
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`07:13.43`	`streuner`	`Ozzapoo: /topic - its called #debian not #apt-support? ;-)`
`07:13.55`	`jelly-home`	`Ozzapoo: the best I can tell you is to fix the dependencies. This may involve downloading the package manually, using dpkg to extract the contents and control files, fixing the dependencies in the control file and repacking it back`
`07:14.05`	`Ozzapoo`	`ok`
`07:14.07`	`Ozzapoo`	`thanks`
`07:14.28`	`sweetpi`	`funyun: ive never used it.. but i doubt it. try installing it from debian-multimedia`
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`07:14.45`	`sweetpi`	`zip files.. bleh`
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`07:16.17`	`funyun`	`sweetpi: i get E: Couldn't find package tsmuxergui`
`07:16.45`	`sweetpi`	`funyun: do you have debian-multimedia in your sources?`
`07:17.22`	`funyun`	`sweetpi: i have deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org lenny main non-free`
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`07:17.38`	`jelly-home`	`Ozzapoo: that other #d channel is pointing me to a #debian-ubuntu channel irc.oftc.net, but that won't do if you're using neither debian nor ubuntu`
`07:18.35`	`funyun`	`sweetpi: is that correct?`
`07:19.07`	`sweetpi`	`funyun: http://debian-multimedia.org/pool/main/t/tsmuxergui/tsmuxergui.php`
`07:19.13`	`ZeuZ`	`anybody uses Xen on Lenny?`
`07:19.16`	`streuner`	`Ozzapoo: what kind of distro do you use?`
`07:19.24`	`Ozzapoo`	`iPhone OS`
`07:19.29`	`Ozzapoo`	`So yeah, far from debian`
`07:19.48`	`sweetpi`	`funyun: looks right`
`07:19.51`	`the-dude`	`ZeuZ: yeah`
`07:20.20`	`ZeuZ`	`I'm getting a domU created out of nower, with no ID, and qemu-dm is defuncted.`
`07:20.28`	`ZeuZ`	`nowhere*`
`07:20.39`	`streuner`	`android?`
`07:20.39`	`streuner`	`there should be a channel too`
`07:20.41`	`ZeuZ`	`The name it gives it is the same as the filename for the other profile`
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`07:20.57`	`ZeuZ`	`However, not the name of the profile.`
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`07:21.19`	`the-dude`	`ZeuZ: sounds like a issue I have seen once on a centos machine`
`07:21.25`	`ZeuZ`	`Can't kill that DomU (destroy it)`
`07:21.45`	`ZeuZ`	`the-dude, funny, I was about to ditch Debian Lenny for CentOS as I succeeded with it but now with Debian`
`07:21.46`	`jelly-home`	`Ozzapoo: there was a person asking about fixing issues in a jailbroken iPhone yesterday as well. You guys need a community irc channel.`
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`07:22.08`	`the-dude`	`ZeuZ: I killed it by killing the running script I found out with a ps aux`
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`07:22.38`	`funyun`	`sweetpi: i downloaded tsmuxergui_1.9.9.orig.tar.gz. when i unpack i get these files. icon.rc images.qrc main.cpp muxForm.h sounds tsMuxerGUI.ico tsmuxerwindow.cpp tsmuxerwindow.ui images lang_codes.h muxForm.cpp muxForm.ui tsMuxerGUI.icns tsMuxerGUI.pro tsmuxerwindow.h`
`07:22.56`	`sweetpi`	`funyun: they had a .deb`
`07:22.59`	`streuner`	`Ozzapoo: #android 426 Welcome to the official Android-platform IRC channel! \|\| Android-2.1_r2 snapshot in source repo \|\| Root? Modded ROMs? Head to #android-root \|\| App development questions? See #android-dev`
`07:23.00`	`streuner`	`jelly-home: gone...`
`07:23.06`	`ZeuZ`	`the-dude, in my case, there's none.`
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`07:23.27`	`jelly-home`	`also android != iOS w/ jailbreak`
`07:23.30`	`funyun`	`sweetpi: i tried that also. and got package architecture (i386) does not match system (amd64)`
`07:23.43`	`ZeuZ`	`and besides, it creates the domU from NOWHERE, it's not been set to autoload, and the configuration file is away from /etc/xen`
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`07:24.50`	`dotevo`	`hi! I've got problem with libSDL :) http://wklej.org/id/355096/ On windows works fine. Is it debian bug or maybe GPU driver?`
`07:25.12`	`sweetpi`	`funyun: ah thats why you didnt see it, they didnt build one for amd64`
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`07:28.40`	`funyun`	`sweetpi: :'( any other ideas?`
`07:28.53`	`fiacha`	`Hi... i just installed debian lenny and used grub... the problem is that the server now hangs where it should load grub... no error message (normally a 'no os found' when trying to boot from wrong drive etc) .. but no grub.. just a blinking cursor... what to do?`
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`07:30.14`	`sweetpi`	`funyun: not really. either try to see what is trying to load libgthread, run in chroot, or compile it`
`07:30.51`	`funyun`	`sweetpi: how can i compile it?`
`07:31.11`	`funyun`	`sorry, i'm a huge linux noob`
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`07:32.32`	`sweetpi`	`someone here might be able to tell you how to rebuild debian-multimedia's i386 version for amd64`
`07:32.46`	`sweetpi`	`other than that, youll have to get all the dependencies yourself`
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`07:35.05`	`freezer`	`hi`
`07:35.07`	`sweetpi`	`funyun: now im starting to think it might be easier to just run the cl version of it :)`
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`07:35.28`	`sweetpi`	`funyun: if they have it for amd64 that is`
`07:36.03`	`freezer`	`Is the Lenny 'Small-CD' image capable of handle WPA wifi and atheros 5xxx wifi cards?`
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`07:39.37`	`Bushmills`	`ath5k is supported since - i think - kernel 2.6.28, not requiring madwifi anymore`
`07:40.41`	`freezer`	`does the current netinst image have >2.6.28 then?`
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`07:40.54`	`sweetpi`	`docs say wifi isnt supported on netinst(never tried wifi for install)`
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`07:42.46`	`freezer`	`i can set up the basic system with netinst`
`07:42.46`	`freezer`	`so i would need it after install`
`07:43.37`	`Dewi`	`is it possible to launch the installer from the live cd?`
`07:43.57`	`Dewi`	`that would be really handy for people with exotic storage or networks`
`07:44.43`	`freezer`	`looks like it's still 2.6.26`
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`07:45.48`	`funyun`	`sweetpi: how would i go about finding that?`
`07:46.31`	`sweetpi`	`freezer: ath5k says its in 2.6.25`
`07:47.32`	`freezer`	`think i had this problem before, pretty sure wifi wasn't working OOTB`
`07:47.51`	`sweetpi`	`funyun: the command line version should be called tsmuxer in debian-multimedia, if its not there then they didnt build an amd64 version`
`07:47.51`	`freezer`	`could anyone verify if the stock lenny kernel has ath5k?`
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`07:49.07`	`craigevil`	`!ath5k`
`07:49.07`	`dpkg`	`[ath5k] a completely free (no proprietary HAL) driver for Atheros 802.11a/bg PCI wireless LAN chipsets. Included in Debian kernels since 2.6.24. See http://wiki.debian.org/ath5k for more information and supported devices. For AR5007* devices, ask me about <ar2425>. For 802.11n device support, ask me about <ath9k>. See also <backports.org>.`
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`07:49.39`	`funyun`	`sweetpi: no package found`
`07:50.22`	`funyun`	`sweetpi: would you mind helping me figure out the command to mux with command line`
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`07:50.51`	`funyun`	`sweetpi: that works when i type ./tsmuxer. but i just can't figure out what to put after that`
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`07:51.10`	`sweetpi`	`funyun: i know nothing about video`
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`07:52.26`	`freezer`	`!wpa`
`07:52.26`	`dpkg`	`wpa is Wi-Fi Protected Access. A WPA supplicant is provided for Debian systems in the 'wpasupplicant' package. Read /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.modes.gz to configure the supplicant as desired (especially "Troubleshooting" regarding association to hidden SSIDs). Debian-Installer does not support WPA at this time; see also <nowpa>. http://wiki.debian.org/WPA http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#wpasupplicant`
`07:53.32`	`funyun`	`sweetpi: same here. but i think it has less to do with video knowledge. and more with linux knowledge`
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`07:55.05`	`sweetpi`	`funyun: what are your trying to do again?`
`07:56.01`	`funyun`	`sweetpi: i just need to mux a m2ts file into a .ts file. in gui it's as simple as clicking "open file", then clicking mux`
`07:56.35`	`funyun`	`sweetpi: so it should also be very simple in command line. but i have no clue what i'm doing in command line`
`07:57.18`	`sweetpi`	`pastebin ./tsmuxer --help`
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`07:58.33`	`funyun`	`sweetpi: SmartLabs tsMuxeR. Version 1.10.6 http://www.smlabs.net`
`07:59.06`	`funyun`	`sweetpi: here's the guide i found http://forum.doom9.org/archive/index.php/t-142559.html`
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`08:01.00`	`alcohol`	`mornin' people`
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`08:01.31`	`sweetpi`	`funyun: looks like maybe tsmuxer m2tsfile tsfile`
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`08:03.07`	`hid3`	`How do I make exim start after the networking starts? Hell, when this damn bug will get fixed in debian?!`
`08:03.35`	`funyun`	`sweetpi: i tried that. doesn't work. i think it is tsmuxer meta.file output.ts, but i don't understand how to make the meta file. the guide explains how. but i just don't understand it :'(`
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`08:06.47`	`lindi-`	`hid3: does your bug have a number? ;)`
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`08:08.03`	`hid3`	`lindi-: In fact my bug on snmpd has got a number but it doesn't matter. It has already passed more than 4 months since subscription and no one seems to matter`
`08:08.20`	`lindi-`	`hid3: yep but what's the number?`
`08:08.23`	`hid3`	`And we don't need any bug number for the MTA thing. Everyone can see it on freshly installed debian`
`08:08.26`	`jelly-home`	`Can I get partition devices on a loopback device without using kpartx?`
`08:08.50`	`hid3`	`If it helps, I can subscribe the bug on the MTA before networking issue`
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`08:09.37`	`hid3`	`Wow, it's more than 4 months since my snmpd bug`
`08:09.41`	`hid3`	`an still NO response`
`08:09.47`	`jelly-home`	`you can quote the number here and perhaps someone interested will chime in`
`08:09.52`	`hid3`	`FYI it's #569009`
`08:09.58`	`jelly-home`	`see, it's not hard`
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`08:10.06`	`hid3`	`but that's completely unrealted to this`
`08:10.27`	`hid3`	`jelly-home, it was difficult to me to google by my e-mail address`
`08:11.02`	`lindi-`	`hid3: sounds completely unrelated indeed`
`08:11.08`	`jelly-home`	`hid3: http://bugs.debian.org web page has a search function where you can saerch by bug reporter address`
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`08:11.45`	`hid3`	`lindi-: YES it isn't related. But I don't bother subscribing a new one because no one will be interested in fixing it anyway`
`08:12.02`	`hid3`	`So what's the workaround to start the MTA after the networking starts? :(`
`08:12.10`	`lindi-`	`hid3: then please don't tell us about it here either :)`
`08:12.12`	`sweetpi`	`thats the spirit`
`08:12.26`	`jelly-home`	`"bts" command line tool from devscripts package can display all your bugs (well, all bugs from the same email address) that as well`
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`08:12.58`	`freezer`	`what would you recommend on a productive system lenny or squeeze? Is it worth to wait for the 6.0rls or is testing already stable enough?`
`08:13.03`	`jelly-home`	`hid3: each package is maintainer by a different team`
`08:13.08`	`jelly-home`	`maintained*`
`08:13.19`	`statim1`	`anyone know if i can allow unauthenticated packages only from one specific origin? i think i could do a global APT::Get::AllowUnauthenticated 1 ; but id rather restrict it to just one specific origin`
`08:13.25`	`hid3`	`jelly-home: yeah, I know.`
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`08:14.21`	`jelly-home`	`hid3: which mta are you using?`
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`08:16.25`	`hid3`	`jelly-home: by default it was exim4`
`08:16.29`	`hanibanaa`	`hi. I want to compare these two configurations with respect to Kerberos advantages: 1- Postfix with GSSAPI (through Cyrus-SASL lib) -> Kerberos 2- Postfix -> saslauthd -> PAM -> Kerberos.`
`08:16.45`	`hid3`	`and it tries to start it (at the boottime) before the network interfaces are up and IP address is set`
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`08:17.05`	`hid3`	`that consumes boottime and increases the server downtime :(`
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`08:19.26`	`jelly-home`	`hid3: which mta are you using now and does the same issue happen with it?`
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`08:20.45`	`hid3`	`jelly-home: Exim4. If I reboot, when booting I see "Starting MTA:" message for long time. It tries to resolve something I guess`
`08:20.46`	`alfadir`	`hi, problem with installer on usb with preseed. file=/hd-media/preseed.cfg preseed file is not found.. the usb stick is not mounted..? B.2.1. in the docs suggest /hd-media/ but does not seems to work ? using initrd etc from the daily build`
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`08:22.06`	`jelly-home`	`hid3: investigate (and pastebin) the order in which networking and exim4 init scripts are called: ls -l /etc/rc?.d/S??{networking,exim4}`
`08:22.20`	`jelly-home`	`hid3: or even /etc/rc?.d/???{networking,exim4}`
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`08:26.22`	`jelly-home`	`hid3: /usr/share/doc/sysv-rc/README.runlevels.gz explains the order in which they are called`
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`08:27.13`	`jelly-home`	`hid3: in short, /etc/rcS.d/S40networking is started before /etc/rc2.d/S??exim4`
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`08:27.32`	`jelly-home`	`... in debian stable.`
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`08:29.55`	`jelly-home`	`hid3: so, networking is started before exim and this typically works well. Some networking hardware/drivers, however, need a couple seconds to bring up the interface.`
`08:30.27`	`jelly-home`	`this presents a race condition for services that require network access to work well`
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`08:31.40`	`jelly-home`	`hid3: a workaround can be to put something like a " post-up sleep 10" line in the stanza for the relevant interface in /etc/network/interfaces`
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`08:33.49`	`jelly-home`	`hid3: FWIW, not everyone can see this issue, else it would already have been reported as a serious bug for the netbase package`
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`08:34.23`	`jelly-home`	`personally I've only seen it on servers with Broadcom network chips, using tg3 or bnx2 drivers`
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`08:35.55`	`jelly-home`	`now, if you're running squeeze or even sid on a mail server, well, you should know better`
`08:36.18`	`hid3`	`jelly-home: thanks, I'll to to investigate further.`
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`08:36.54`	`hid3`	`Are there any updates on squeeze release date?`
`08:37.04`	`jelly-home`	`!wwsr`
`08:37.04`	`dpkg`	`Squeeze will release <WIR>, <SIYH>. No release schedule is done yet. Ask me about <squeeze bet>. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2010/06/msg00002.html`
`08:37.17`	`sweetpi`	`when a network card is added(usb/pcmcia) what calls ifup on it?`
`08:37.26`	`hid3`	`Oh, sth new dated 2010-06`
`08:37.30`	`hid3`	`worth to look at!`
`08:38.00`	`jelly-home`	`sweetpi: nothing. NetworkManager if installed might call its own stuff`
`08:38.14`	`jelly-home`	`wicd as well`
`08:39.09`	`sweetpi`	`jelly-home: so if its in interfaces and set to auto, it magically comes up?`
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`08:42.49`	`jelly-home`	`sweetpi: no!`
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`08:43.06`	`jelly-home`	`it won't come up by itself.`
`08:43.40`	`jelly-home`	`sweetpi: unless you're managing it via wicd or NetworkManager`
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`08:43.56`	`sweetpi`	`hmm.. my test box had networkmanager, but it was disabled`
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`08:44.31`	`sweetpi`	`when i added my pcmcia wifi card, it automatically came up when i had "auto wlan0" in interfaces`
`08:44.42`	`jelly-home`	`if it's present at boot, then init scripts for networking will bring it up`
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`08:45.41`	`sweetpi`	`jelly-home: maybe networkmanager wasnt disabled like i though.. there isnt a udev script to bring up new nics?`
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`08:46.22`	`jelly-home`	`sweetpi: mh, maybe in newer releases there is`
`08:46.36`	`jelly-home`	`in that case I'd be completely wrong and best ignored ;-)`
`08:46.46`	`sweetpi`	`hehe`
`08:48.03`	`ksk`	`networkmanager is evil anyway :P`
`08:48.09`	`ksk`	`remove it :x`
`08:48.45`	`jelly-home`	`ksk: give me something as userfriendly and a script to transfer the configuration`
`08:49.10`	`ksk`	`im afraid i do not know`
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`08:50.11`	`sweetpi`	`aha found it /lib/udev/net.agent`
`08:50.56`	`sweetpi`	`checks for auto in interfaces and brings it up`
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`08:54.56`	`fiacha`	`How can i see what bootloader an installation uses? (grub,2,lilo??)`
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`09:00.19`	`fiacha`	`man i reinstalled debian for the 8th time and still not even loading bootloader.. wtf?`
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`09:03.34`	`stockholm`	`fiacha: what are you doing wrong?`
`09:04.43`	`jelly-home`	`stockholm: that's what _he's_ asking`
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`09:07.45`	`something15525-e`	`hey is there a eeepc channel for debian support?`
`09:08.03`	`liable_`	`yes, #debian-eeepc on irc.debian.org`
`09:08.18`	`something15525-e`	`liable_: there isn't one on freenode?`
`09:08.36`	`liable_`	`not debian specific`
`09:08.43`	`something15525-e`	`alright`
`09:08.51`	`something15525-e`	`and how does one connect to multiple servers with irssi`
`09:09.06`	`liable_`	`<PROTECTED>`
`09:09.27`	`something15525-e`	`and how do i specify which server to use when opening up channels?`
`09:09.43`	`liable_`	`^d in the status window`
`09:10.12`	`liable_`	`erm`
`09:10.14`	`liable_`	`^x`
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`09:10.53`	`jpinx-eeepc`	`something15525-e: you've been in debian-eeepc before`
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`09:11.08`	`something15525-e`	`jpinx-eeepc: yes i have`
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`09:11.56`	`something15525-e`	`jpinx-eeepc: just remembering whether or not there was one on freenode`
`09:11.57`	`fiacha`	`stockholm: ok i should try updating bios/firmware etc....`
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`09:13.01`	`jpinx-eeepc`	`something15525-e: there is, but it's not very aCTIVE`
`09:13.33`	`pif`	`what's the best ff addon to share comments on specific urls? (this house sucks! don't bother calling the real-estate agent)`
`09:13.36`	`something15525-e`	`can anybody help me with a sound issue i am having on my eeepc, the sound card is detected and alsamixer is functioning properly, but no sound is being generated`
`09:14.34`	`jpinx-eeepc`	`something15525-e: don't cross-post!`
`09:14.34`	`jpinx-eeepc`	`!alas checklist`
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`09:14.35`	`jpinx-eeepc`	`!alsa checklist`
`09:14.35`	`dpkg`	`1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 2) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels & toggle jack sense) 3) arts or esound stopped? 4) OSS modules unloaded? 5) speakers on? 6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 7) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. See also <list alsa users>.`
`09:14.41`	`simonrvn`	`alas, the checklist for alsa is long :P`
`09:14.51`	`ashkan720`	`hello all`
`09:15.09`	`something15525-e`	`jpinx-eeepc: sorry about that, lol`
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`09:15.45`	`something15525-e`	`jpinx-eeepc: how do i add myself to groups again?`
`09:16.23`	`jpinx-eeepc`	`man adduser`
`09:16.30`	`jpinx-eeepc`	`or is it useradd.....`
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`09:18.26`	`something15525-e`	`jpinx-eeepc: would the audio group exist if there are no users in it, or is root automatically part of the group`
`09:19.04`	`sweetpi`	`usermod -a -G othergroup user`
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`09:20.01`	`jpinx-eeepc`	`thanks sweetpi`
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`09:20.42`	`something15525-e`	`sweetpi: would "adduser user group" work as well?`
`09:21.20`	`sweetpi`	`no idea, never done it that way`
`09:21.27`	`something15525-e`	`okay thanks`
`09:22.14`	`liable_`	`adduser will work like that yes`
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`09:23.04`	`liable_`	`groups`
`09:23.09`	`something15525-e`	`liable_: lol thanks`
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`09:31.37`	`Texou`	`Hey :D`
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`09:36.48`	`sweetpi`	`anyone know how to debug what file nfs is trying to access when it loses its connection to the server(if thats possible)? i tried enabling nfs_debug, but it didnt gave that info`
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`09:41.39`	`lindi-`	`sweetpi: tcpdump?`
`09:41.45`	`mastro`	`jordanm, about yesterday (http://purl.rikers.org/%23debian/20100622.html.gz) mastro: aptitude's search capabilities are a bit more advanced that apt-cache's. because one application has some default, doesn't mean some other applications should have the same default`
`09:42.33`	`stockholm`	`how can i determine if a given version is available in one given repository?`
`09:42.42`	`stockholm`	`if you look at http://paste.debian.net/78470/`
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`09:42.56`	`mastro`	`jordanm, I disagree with you, aptitude is not "another application" it is going to substitute apt-get/apt-cache and if apt-cache search worked in a way until yesterday if you want to change that default you should both have a very good reason or forget that idea and keep the same default`
`09:43.02`	`stockholm`	`<PROTECTED>`
`09:43.27`	`stockholm`	`but the output can be more complex, and there can be several versions, from different repositories.`
`09:43.37`	`stockholm`	`so i cant just grep after the version number`
`09:44.14`	`sweetpi`	`lindi-: im guessing that wouldnt work if the interface went down?`
`09:44.29`	`stockholm`	`i can grep after the version number, the string stable and the package name in apt-cache show $packagename`
`09:44.39`	`stockholm`	`is there a bette way?`
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`09:46.17`	`lindi-`	`sweetpi: on what side?`
`09:46.29`	`sweetpi`	`lindi-: client`
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`09:48.16`	`lindi-`	`sweetpi: why do you want to do that?`
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`09:48.29`	`sweetpi`	`lindi-: im really doing this backwards.. just trying to figure out what i need to load into tempfs to bring wireless backup after its ejected`
`09:49.16`	`lindi-`	`sweetpi: root on nfs?`
`09:49.23`	`sweetpi`	`lindi-: yes`
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`09:49.33`	`lindi-`	`sweetpi: how much ram?`
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`09:49.57`	`sweetpi`	`lindi-: 128`
`09:50.18`	`sweetpi`	`lindi-: but 32 on target`
`09:50.35`	`lindi-`	`sweetpi: does it need to be able to boot over wlan too?`
`09:51.04`	`sweetpi`	`lindi-: yes, but i already have that solved, just need to be able to bring it back up after it goes down`
`09:51.22`	`lindi-`	`sweetpi: ok so you have things like wpasupplicant on the initramfs?`
`09:51.28`	`lindi-`	`sweetpi: and initramfs stored locally?`
`09:51.31`	`sweetpi`	`lindi-: yes`
`09:52.01`	`lindi-`	`sweetpi: I'd keep a watchdog process running from the initramfs`
`09:52.36`	`lindi-`	`sweetpi: it can even offer sshd in a different port and allow access to the initramfs environment while rest of the system is stuck`
`09:53.45`	`sweetpi`	`lindi-: hmm sounds good. searching docs`
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`09:55.14`	`lindi-`	`sweetpi: http://iki.fi/lindi/darcs/vtgrab-initramfs/ is a hook that runs remote virtual console protocol server from the initramfs and allows access to local virtual consoles over network`
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`09:56.16`	`lindi-`	`sweetpi: the dirty part is how it makes sure the initramfs is not wiped by symlinking "run-init" to plain "chroot"...`
`09:57.04`	`sweetpi`	`lindi-: so with watchdog, i could attempt to bring wifi back up from within the chroot?`
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`09:57.15`	`sweetpi`	`*initrd`
`09:57.30`	`lindi-`	`sweetpi: yes`
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`09:57.46`	`lindi-`	`sweetpi: you could even use some sort of openvpn tunnel`
`09:58.20`	`sweetpi`	`wishes she knew /anything/ about watchdog`
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`09:58.39`	`lindi-`	`sweetpi: initramfs has busybox so you can make it pretty small`
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`10:04.18`	`sweetpi`	`lindi-: what it rvcd?`
`10:05.19`	`sweetpi`	`lindi-: i mean, i get what it stands for, but i dont see any info on it`
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`10:09.43`	`lindi-`	`sweetpi: it's not very well documented but it is in debian`
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`10:11.01`	`sweetpi`	`lindi-: what installs it?`
`10:11.29`	`lindi-`	`sweetpi: http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=bin%2Frvcd&mode=path&suite=stable&arch=any`
`10:12.39`	`sweetpi`	`lindi-: oh vtgrab... ha.`
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`10:22.02`	`sweetpi`	`lindi-: you are talking about using /dev/watchdog right? or do you mean just have a script watch from initrd?`
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`10:22.24`	`sweetpi`	`having a hard time figuring out how to use watchdog`
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`10:22.58`	`lindi-`	`sweetpi: I am using /dev/watchdog myself but i am not sure if you need that. just have something ping the gateway every 10 minutes?`
`10:23.45`	`sweetpi`	`lindi-: any way to tie it into udev? that way it would bring it up as soon as it is inserted`
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`10:24.27`	`tremby`	`is there some cli utility to move the X mouse pointer? i want to be able to move it to the top left of the screen with a keystroke`
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`10:27.11`	`a133x`	`hello guys, do you think it is possible to check somehow the speed of a PCIe slot? If it is 1x, 4x and so on?`
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`10:28.37`	`sweetpi`	`tremby: XWarpPointer is the C function.. i know thats not what you asked, but it might help`
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`10:30.42`	`lindi-`	`sweetpi: tricky`
`10:31.01`	`lindi-`	`sweetpi: but you can use "om uevent dump" to listen for uevents :)`
`10:31.18`	`lindi-`	`tremby: xautomation`
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`10:31.42`	`tremby`	`lindi-: thanks, i'll check it out`
`10:31.51`	`sweetpi`	`a133x: lspci -vvv \| grep LnkCap`
`10:33.02`	`sweetpi`	`a133x: dont know how verbose it actually needs to be, but that will show what you need`
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`10:34.15`	`a133x`	`thank you sweetpi , that does the trick`
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`10:35.22`	`sweetpi`	`lindi-: yeah maybe i should just ping :)`
`10:36.30`	`tremby`	`lindi-: one of the binaries from xautomation is xmousepos but that only gets the mouse position, doesn't let me set it. so i'm guessing you meant use the xte binary to generate some kind of input which puts the mouse pointer where i want it. am i right?`
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`10:40.26`	`tremby`	`xte mousemove 0 0 gives me "unknown command 'mousemove', unknown command '0', unknown command '0'". i must be doing something stupid but i have no idea what`
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`10:40.54`	`jon123`	`Hi - I have a SSH related query on debian - is this the right forum`
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`10:41.05`	`jon123`	`I found a #ssh forum, but doesn't seem to be active now`
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`10:41.14`	`tremby`	`ah, the manpage is dodgy. the help text is better. got it working. thanks.`
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`10:42.33`	`jon123`	`I have debian box. I want to putty to it using a key - the key is present at /home/username/.ssh/authorized_keys`
`10:42.40`	`jon123`	`and it's loaded through pagent on my client`
`10:42.51`	`jon123`	`but putty stills ends up asking for a password`
`10:42.58`	`jon123`	`any idea how i can trouble shoot this?`
`10:43.04`	`petemc`	`!debug sshd`
`10:43.05`	`dpkg`	`To debug sshd (server), run this as root on the server: "/usr/sbin/sshd -d -p 2222". Then use "ssh -p 2222 username@servername" on the client. See also <slow ssh connect>. <ssh permissions>`
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`10:46.31`	`jon123`	`ok - here is the problem - this is actually an appliance. We have an image which i burn to a flash card & insert the card into the appliance & then putty to the appliance`
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`10:46.39`	`jon123`	`I have access to the image`
`10:46.56`	`jon123`	`but I don't have root login once the Image is burnt & I try to access the box`
`10:47.19`	`eshat`	`where can I learn more about the progress of how updated packages are running into sid ?`
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`10:47.28`	`jon123`	`however i can look at the image before I burn it & i can change it also`
`10:47.55`	`petemc`	`jon123: putty to an appliance? whats the debian part?`
`10:47.56`	`jon123`	`is there somewhere in the file system of the image i can look at for trouble shooting as to why the ssh key isn't working`
`10:48.03`	`jon123`	`the appliance runs debian`
`10:48.13`	`jon123`	`i burn a debian image to a flash card`
`10:48.18`	`jon123`	`that's what's running in the appliance`
`10:48.39`	`jon123`	`my only access to the appliance is then through this ssh key which isn't working in the current version`
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`10:49.10`	`petemc`	`ive only ever used putty with keys generated with puttygen, which work fine`
`10:49.19`	`jon123`	`this is also generated with puttygen`
`10:49.32`	`jon123`	`and this was working with the last version of the image i burn to the flashcard`
`10:49.39`	`jon123`	`suddenly stopped working in this version`
`10:49.45`	`jon123`	`need to figure how to trouble shoot it`
`10:50.10`	`petemc`	`jon123: you can turn up logging in putty`
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`10:50.42`	`petemc`	`jon123: you can also specify debug modes in sshd_config`
`10:51.08`	`petemc`	`which, if you cant log in to the machine in the first place, are going to be not very helpful`
`10:51.24`	`jon123`	`i can read the logs later, i think`
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`10:52.55`	`broy-w`	`!why debian`
`10:52.56`	`dpkg`	`Debian strives to maintain your freedom whilst also paying close attention to the technical aspects of making a great OS. Debian is stable, upgradable and well tested. See also http://www.debian.org/intro/free http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ (archived at http://wiki.debian.org/WhyDebian). As an added bonus, you get to ask questions in #debian.`
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`10:53.27`	`jon1234`	`sorry got disconnected`
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`10:54.09`	`jon1234`	`what changes should i make in sshd_config?`
`10:54.32`	`petemc`	`man sshd_config /debug`
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`10:55.24`	`jon1234`	`No manual entry for sshd_config or sshd`
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`10:55.41`	`jon1234`	`i am new to linux, so please forgive i am a little slow at this`
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`10:57.00`	`jon1234`	`is there something i can put in sshd_config so that it will allow root without a password`
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`10:57.13`	`jon1234`	`so then i can do further trouble shooting after logging in as root?`
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`11:01.21`	`jpinx-eeepc`	`jon1234: I believe ssh has login as root disabled by default`
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`11:01.36`	`jpinx-eeepc`	`log in as $USER and su`
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`11:09.13`	`loopidity`	`does a ppp connection have an AP`
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`11:11.08`	`amphi`	`it has the other end`
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`11:12.04`	`timu`	`hia ll`
`11:12.09`	`timu`	`hi all :)`
`11:12.57`	`timu`	`how can i find installed packages without using any apt/dpk commands?`
`11:14.59`	`rbees`	`you might look through /var/log/apt/term.log`
`11:15.04`	`timu`	`my problem is my box doesnt open couse grub installtion, so i want to fresh install (with backup etc and var directorys) after that i'll install all packages from old installition, i can't execute any dpk or apt commands`
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`11:16.00`	`rbees`	`timu: can't you just reinstall grub?`
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`11:16.35`	`timu`	`rbees: i am using unstable, i just can't found unstable net installer cd`
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`11:17.32`	`rbees`	`does the box give you any error msg on boot that may help figure out why it does not boot`
`11:18.10`	`rbees`	`then you may be able to edit grub by hand from a live-cd and fix your problem`
`11:20.05`	`timu`	`grub says, Error 15 :) when i search the web i found this problem comes grub lagecy and grub2 installtion basicly still in mbr installed grub lagecy but on disk grub2`
`11:20.14`	`xperia`	`hello to all. i have running debian on a proliant ml530 G2 server that has a raid array. have inserted now additional disks in the free slots and they blink all the time since now 1 hour but i dont see any additional disk space in debian. can somebody tell me what i need to do to get the new free space ?`
`11:20.53`	`bzed`	`xperia: read the documentation of your server and especially the raid controller. there is no magic involved.`
`11:20.56`	`timu`	`actualy i needed just install grub2 in mbr instead grub legacy`
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`11:21.31`	`hid3`	`dpkg, go to hell!`
`11:21.31`	`dpkg`	`(sing in the style of Ricki Lake's audience) Go to hell!, go to hell!, just damn go. Home.`
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`11:21.51`	`bzed`	`dpkg, tell dpkg about go to hell`
`11:21.57`	`bzed`	`damn :D`
`11:22.19`	`rbees`	`I am by no means a grub expert but if memory serves, you can use a live-cd like gparted to rebuild the mbr`
`11:22.23`	`Vroomfondle`	`dpkg is far too mature and experienced to fall for that kind of trick`
`11:22.23`	`dpkg`	`Vroomfondle: are you using Windows?`
`11:22.42`	`timu`	`ok, found installed package database`
`11:22.44`	`hid3`	`why apt (the bot) got replaced by dpkg???`
`11:22.52`	`xperia`	`bzed: just looking in to it. hoped somebody can tell it me faster with his experience`
`11:23.05`	`timu`	`<PROTECTED>`
`11:23.07`	`sweetpi`	`lindi-: i have rvcd running in initrd now, do i telnet into it? when i type commands, it doesnt do aything`
`11:23.14`	`timu`	`if you need that :)`
`11:23.14`	`greenmang0`	`!die`
`11:23.14`	`dpkg`	`I'll murder you greenmang0! Decapitate you and play snooker with your eyes!`
`11:23.23`	`bzed`	`xperia: but we're not a hardware support channel here. chances are good you have to tell your raid controlelr to do something with the disks`
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`11:30.06`	`xperia`	`bzed: thats exactly what makes me problems. the server dont has any screen and it looks like i need to boot somehow over the net. thinked at least the raid controller is intelegent enoght to format the new disk and add them to the existing diskspace`
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`11:30.55`	`bzed`	`xperia: how should it be intelligent enough, it doesn't have a glass bowl to look into your brain. there are a lot of possible options to setup a raid, its the admin's job to chose the right one`
`11:30.55`	`sweetpi`	`lindi-: nm, i rtfm`
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`11:31.48`	`bzed`	`xperia: what you could do is to install the hp tools for the servers, the apt repository is somewhere linke don the hp proliant page`
`11:32.18`	`bzed`	`xperia: might be possible that they have a tool to configure the raid controller without inserting a cd to boot from`
`11:32.58`	`tbty`	`1 9 3 * * /pat/my.sh this cron job will runt every 3 each month at 9:01`
`11:33.02`	`xperia`	`bzed thanks a lot for the tip`
`11:33.10`	`tbty`	`did I got it right?`
`11:33.53`	`xperia`	`hmm i think it goes as follow minutes hour day month year`
`11:34.23`	`tbty`	`so I did get it right then?`
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`11:34.44`	`lindi-`	`tbty: twiglet yes`
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`11:34.54`	`lindi-`	`sweetpi: sorry, meant you ^`
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`11:37.18`	`bzed`	`!tell xperia about proliant`
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`11:41.59`	`miguel001`	`I want to burn a file DVD-R for the first time in my life today :)`
`11:42.09`	`miguel001`	`what software would you recommend for that?`
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`11:47.00`	`themill`	`miguel001: k3b`
`11:47.53`	`miguel001`	`themill: thx`
`11:47.55`	`abrotman`	`what if he doesn't use kde?`
`11:48.07`	`themill`	`you can still use k3b`
`11:48.18`	`abrotman`	`nowai`
`11:48.25`	`bzed`	`wtf? sure.`
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`11:48.33`	`bzed`	`k3b is the best program for that task.`
`11:48.36`	`themill`	`!trollstamp abrotman`
`11:48.36`	`dpkg`	`stamps abrotman on the forehead with the official #debian Troll marker`
`11:48.47`	`bzed`	`!bitchslap abrotman`
`11:48.47`	`dpkg`	`bitchslaps abrotman around the room`
`11:48.59`	`abrotman`	`gnome does have apps that can burn a DVD .. they work just fine`
`11:49.21`	`abrotman`	`i'm just saying it's not necessary to pull all the qt/kde stuff if you don't have to`
`11:50.09`	`themill`	`abrotman: the question was "what software would you recommend for that?". I recommend k3b in any case...`
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`11:52.09`	`abrotman`	`I'd probably recommend the one that doesn't require sucking in a pile of stuff, but that's just me`
`11:52.18`	`abrotman`	`especially for no added functionality`
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`11:53.42`	`mguy`	`I wrote a testing snapshot ISO to a usb stick using the startup disk creator on a Ubuntu system, when I booted i simply got a boot: prompt`
`11:53.53`	`mguy`	`Should I just write it using DD or will it not work from USB?`
`11:54.08`	`miguel001`	`all i need is burn some files on a dvd so somebondy else can open them on her/his computer`
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`11:54.38`	`liable_`	`follow the install guide instructions`
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`11:54.51`	`miguel001`	`what install guide?`
`11:55.11`	`liable_`	`miguel001: growisofs can do it all from the cli if you dont want a graphical app`
`11:55.23`	`abrotman`	`miguel001: not you .. he's talking about mguy following the install guide`
`11:55.25`	`liable_`	`miguel001: that was not directed at you about the install guide..`
`11:55.29`	`miguel001`	`liable_: : nice ant it is already installed`
`11:55.33`	`miguel001`	`the growfs`
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`11:55.40`	`miguel001`	`growisofs i mean`
`11:56.03`	`abrotman`	`miguel001: If you use KDE, try k3b, if you use gnome, try brasero or gnomebaker`
`11:56.17`	`liable_`	`or growisfs!`
`11:56.27`	`miguel001`	`abrotman: i use neither of this, have xmonad`
`11:56.44`	`abrotman`	`then pick whichever you want if you want a GUI app`
`11:56.54`	`miguel001`	`ill check out the growisofs first`
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`11:57.00`	`miguel001`	`thx all`
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`12:09.04`	`ociredeF`	`Hello, I know it's off topic but I don't know where to ask`
`12:09.31`	`ociredeF`	`how can I get an account at yahoo, gmail or hotmail to have my domain masked to itÂ¿`
`12:09.37`	`ociredeF`	`maybe you could tell me where to ask`
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`12:11.06`	`tbty`	`lindi- did you ment my cron job was right configured?`
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`12:11.23`	`lindi-`	`tbty: no :)`
`12:11.31`	`tbty`	`okej :D`
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`12:20.07`	`Arafangion`	`Hey, how can I find out what program a GUI belongs to?`
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`12:21.31`	`Arafangion`	`Hmm, turns out to be "brasero".`
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`12:24.03`	`miguel001`	`Im trying to use dvdrecord however I'm unsure about how to specify my dev=`
`12:24.07`	`miguel001`	`its the form x,y,z ?`
`12:24.36`	`miguel001`	`all the examples show 2,0`
`12:24.46`	`miguel001`	`in the man page`
`12:25.14`	`miguel001`	`scsibus,target,lun OR target,lun`
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`12:27.07`	`miguel001`	`does this help me to find out the values in my case:`
`12:27.09`	`miguel001`	`[ 2.799106] ata1.00: ATAPI: Optiarc DVD RW AD-7203S, 1.06, max UDMA/100`
`12:27.09`	`miguel001`	`[ 4.615091] scsi 0:0:0:0: CD-ROM Optiarc DVD RW AD-7203S 1.06 PQ: 0 ANSI: 5`
`12:27.12`	`miguel001`	`?`
`12:28.16`	`EmleyMoor`	`Looks like 0,0,0`
`12:28.23`	`jelly`	`miguel001: the latter is scsi address, host:bus:target:lun`
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`12:28.49`	`miguel001`	`i wodner why i have two of them`
`12:28.59`	`EmleyMoor`	`IDE and emulated SCSI?`
`12:29.02`	`miguel001`	`oook`
`12:29.15`	`miguel001`	`so im fine with doing dev=0,0,0 you guess?`
`12:29.25`	`jelly`	`!tias`
`12:29.25`	`dpkg`	`TIAS is "Try It And See".`
`12:29.29`	`freezer`	`can you resizse the fat-FS of the hd-media image?`
`12:29.31`	`EmleyMoor`	`Try it, or the /dev node`
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`12:29.51`	`miguel001`	`lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 3 Jun 22 15:52 /dev/dvd1 -> sr0`
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`12:30.09`	`miguel001`	`im just afraid that I miight overwrite some of my disks if I do a mistake`
`12:30.14`	`miguel001`	`thats why I didnt try yet`
`12:31.39`	`EmleyMoor`	`dvdrecord checks what the drive is, and if unsuitable, gives an error`
`12:31.48`	`miguel001`	`allright then ill tias`
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`12:31.57`	`miguel001`	`:) thx`
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`12:32.45`	`jelly`	`what's wrong with growisofs for burning dvds?`
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`12:33.46`	`miguel001`	`ah the drive seems to be the right one but I get:`
`12:33.49`	`miguel001`	`dvdrecord: Drive does not support TAO recording.`
`12:33.49`	`miguel001`	`dvdrecord: Illegal write mode for this drive.`
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`12:34.27`	`miguel001`	`ah I need to format it first it seems`
`12:34.40`	`jelly`	`that's not what the message said.`
`12:35.05`	`miguel001`	`youre right, but thats what google tells me :)`
`12:36.13`	`miguel001`	`I try to find out what TAO is`
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`12:38.46`	`karme`	`afair: TAO = track at once (in that context)`
`12:39.46`	`miguel001`	`im trying growisofs now`
`12:39.52`	`miguel001`	`seems to do something at least`
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`13:01.33`	`kripz`	`can you write to a failed raid 5 volume?`
`13:01.58`	`abrotman`	`failed or degraded?`
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`13:02.19`	`kripz`	`where one disk is missing`
`13:02.26`	`epsilon`	`you can`
`13:02.28`	`abrotman`	`yes, you can`
`13:02.33`	`epsilon`	`Obama!`
`13:02.39`	`rozie`	`it's degraded, not failed`
`13:02.52`	`kripz`	`Can i create a 2 drive raid 5? how much space will i have?`
`13:02.56`	`epsilon`	`that the point of RAID5, one disc can fail`
`13:03.09`	`rozie`	`kripz: no, you can't`
`13:03.10`	`abrotman`	`kripz: are you going to add a third drive?`
`13:03.10`	`epsilon`	`normal radi5 is 3disc+`
`13:03.17`	`kripz`	`abrotman, yes later on`
`13:03.24`	`rozie`	`kripz: you need 3 drives for raid5`
`13:03.31`	`abrotman`	`kripz: swraid might let you, i doubt any hardware controller would let you`
`13:03.32`	`epsilon`	`you can create with 2, but you have no redundancy`
`13:03.43`	`kripz`	`iirc you can create failed volumes with mdadm`
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`13:03.50`	`kripz`	`or mark it somehow`
`13:03.51`	`abrotman`	`kripz: but be aware that if either of the drives die, all data will be lost`
`13:04.00`	`epsilon`	`at least you can create raid1 with q disc in mdadm`
`13:04.05`	`epsilon`	`*1 disc`
`13:04.07`	`rozie`	`OK, if you're asking for dirty hacks then, yes`
`13:04.20`	`kripz`	`will i have 2tb space?`
`13:04.30`	`epsilon`	`1 TB drive?`
`13:04.31`	`kripz`	`if i use 2x 1tb`
`13:04.33`	`abrotman`	`kripz: are you using 500MB drives? :)`
`13:04.42`	`abrotman`	`kripz: yes`
`13:04.46`	`kripz`	`nice`
`13:04.58`	`abrotman`	`until one of them fails, then you have 0TB`
`13:05.03`	`epsilon`	`löol`
`13:05.04`	`rozie`	`(nice, unless it fails)`
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`13:07.01`	`kripz`	`ofcourse`
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`13:08.10`	`abrotman`	`not everyone finds that so obvious`
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`13:11.42`	`foxtrot`	`hi`
`13:11.56`	`foxtrot`	`i'd like to download a recent debian to use onmylaptop`
`13:12.01`	`foxtrot`	`in .iso format`
`13:12.02`	`Murdox`	`same`
`13:12.12`	`abrotman`	`Lenny is stable, squeeze is currently testing`
`13:12.13`	`foxtrot`	`but the 5.0 version is over a year old`
`13:12.22`	`foxtrot`	`wherecan i get a newer iso?`
`13:12.38`	`abrotman`	`debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ .. choose a daily, beware it may be buggy`
`13:12.42`	`abrotman`	`!bts`
`13:12.42`	`dpkg`	`Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges`
`13:12.48`	`abrotman`	`and learn to use the BTS`
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`13:14.27`	`BiGViC`	`whats wrong a stable version being a year old?`
`13:15.15`	`XThief`	`im using debian lenny, im trying to apt-get install mysql-devel but it couldnt find the package, where i can find it?`
`13:15.15`	`tapio`	`When installing daemons in debian with apt, the daemon starts automatically. How can I avoid that?`
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`13:15.27`	`tapio`	`XThief: apt-cache search mysql`
`13:16.09`	`jelly`	`XThief: apt-cache search mysql -- -dev`
`13:16.37`	`jordanm`	`!tell XThief about search`
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`13:16.58`	`XThief`	`thx you`
`13:16.59`	`epsilon`	`foxtrot: there is a 1 or 2 projects supporting more modern kernel for lenny`
`13:17.02`	`abrotman`	`tapio: you cannot`
`13:17.06`	`Arafangion`	`Why is it that people never complain about windows being too old.`
`13:17.06`	`epsilon`	`like Lenny and a half`
`13:17.07`	`chrisw1`	`hey all, is there any way I can get ls -l to give me the full path to a file?`
`13:17.12`	`abrotman`	`epsilon: doesn't really exist`
`13:17.16`	`abrotman`	`or hasn't been released`
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`13:17.25`	`Arafangion`	`But when debian's latest release is a year old, it's like "Yikes it's old!"`
`13:17.37`	`abrotman`	`Arafangion: because you can upgrade portions of it without upgrading the whole base perhaps?`
`13:17.39`	`jelly`	`Arafangion: it has softwarez from 2008!`
`13:17.50`	`Arafangion`	`Work still uses Windows XP!`
`13:17.56`	`abrotman`	`Arafangion: so you can install the newest FF without having to upgrade your directx?`
`13:17.57`	`jelly`	`/o\`
`13:18.07`	`epsilon`	`abrotman: well the archive contains also linux-kernel deb... and I've also seen elsewhere such project`
`13:18.18`	`abrotman`	`epsilon: /msg dpkg bpo`
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`13:19.29`	`tapio`	`abrotman: of course I can. It's just a question of how`
`13:20.07`	`abrotman`	`tapio: you can unpack the package, change the postinst, repack the package .. feel like doing that?>`
`13:21.10`	`abrotman`	`tapio: which daemon are we takling about?`
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`13:21.27`	`tapio`	`abrotman: dhcp3-server for example`
`13:21.45`	`abrotman`	`why would you care about that?`
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`13:22.06`	`tapio`	`rogue dhcp?`
`13:22.16`	`tapio`	`but that depends on the default config I guess`
`13:22.20`	`jelly`	`foxtrot: if the 5.0.4 installer doesn't work for you, try /msg dpkg kmuto`
`13:22.40`	`abrotman`	`tapio: for two seconds?`
`13:23.28`	`tapio`	`Yeah, I guess you're right`
`13:24.08`	`abrotman`	`i tihnk the assumption is that if you install a server, you probably want it running (or you could firewal it off first)`
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`13:27.15`	`Posterdati`	`hi`
`13:27.32`	`Posterdati`	`please is there any package manager under kde on squeeze??? Tx`
`13:27.43`	`abrotman`	`i think adept is gone, but there is aptitude-gtk now`
`13:27.54`	`Posterdati`	`abrotman: kde`
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`13:28.02`	`abrotman`	`you can use gtk apps in KDE`
`13:28.05`	`abrotman`	`there's also synaptic`
`13:28.09`	`abrotman`	`judd: versions adept`
`13:28.11`	`judd`	`adept -- etch: 2.1.2; sid: 3.0~beta7.2+nmu1; squeeze: 3.0~beta7.2+nmu1`
`13:28.16`	`abrotman`	`oh, it is still there .. have fun`
`13:28.24`	`Posterdati`	`lol`
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`13:29.18`	`abrotman`	`Posterdati: if it were me, i'd use the aptitude-gtk`
`13:29.29`	`Posterdati`	`abrotman: ok thanks`
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`13:33.23`	`foxtrot`	`is the 175mb netinst iso a full install?`
`13:33.35`	`Arafangion`	`foxtrot: It's a netinst.`
`13:33.44`	`Arafangion`	`Which is short for NETwork INSTallation.`
`13:33.51`	`Arafangion`	`So... No.`
`13:33.58`	`foxtrot`	`then what is the 20mb business card iso then`
`13:33.59`	`epsilon`	`fullinstall are the DVDs (or maaaaaaaaaany CDs)`
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`13:34.14`	`epsilon`	`it's for businedd card size CD`
`13:34.21`	`epsilon`	`*business`
`13:34.23`	`Posterdati`	`abrotman: I've got emdebian strange behavior under squeeze: during linux-libc-dev-armel-cross installation: http://pastebin.com/drSm45Y5`
`13:34.34`	`foxtrot`	`ok then why is it so much smaller if it is networkinstall too??`
`13:34.37`	`xvit`	`hi guys, please help, I need proftpd server with virtual users stored in Oracle DB. Any suggestions how to do it ?`
`13:34.39`	`abrotman`	`you could have mentioned emdebian before?`
`13:34.46`	`Arafangion`	`foxtrot: They have a few useful tools for rescuing a broken system. I wouldn't like to rescue a system with just a business card CD.`
`13:34.51`	`abrotman`	`foxtrot: don't use the biz card`
`13:35.00`	`foxtrot`	`ok`
`13:35.15`	`tbty`	`1 9 3 * * /path/my.sh could some one please tell me of this job runt every 3 on every month at 9:01 ?`
`13:35.16`	`abrotman`	`Posterdati: it's a bug in that package`
`13:35.16`	`epsilon`	`foxtrot: take the netinst and be happy`
`13:35.24`	`abrotman`	`tbty: someone already told you`
`13:35.40`	`abrotman`	`tbty: man 5 crontab`
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`13:39.53`	`tbty`	`yes but I though some one maybe knew the configuration without looking at the man pages`
`13:39.54`	`wedge`	`I have a system where I've run tzselect, but the time still displays 2hours ahead of local time. Any idea what may cause it to display wrong local time?`
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`13:40.23`	`jordanm`	`wedge: install and use NTP`
`13:40.29`	`wedge`	`jordanm: already doing that`
`13:40.50`	`jordanm`	`wedge: ntpd -q`
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`13:41.40`	`djura-san`	`o/`
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`13:42.43`	`wedge`	`jordanm: fixed it, the ntp client was updating alright.. but it was a VM which was taking time setting through vmware tools`
`13:42.49`	`wedge`	`the host system was advertising wrong time`
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`13:46.28`	`varlon`	`globaleast, hi :)`
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`13:47.05`	`globaleast`	`Hi`
`13:47.06`	`Herm`	`after updating my squeeze installation yesterday I have this problem with X: after suspend2disk I can't use shortcuts like Alt+F4 as this switches to VT4 (correct keys would be ctrl+alt+f4) and after switching back I get a lot (~30) alt+f4 keypresses which close all running application. however I have no idea which package might cause the problem`
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`13:47.24`	`Herm`	`I already downgraded all xserver-* packages to their old version but it didn't help`
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`13:47.35`	`Herm`	`has anyone already experienced this and could point me to the correct package to help me find solutions or report a bug`
`13:48.28`	`abrotman`	`tbty: we might, but that doesn't mean you sohuldn't read it .. it will take you two minutes`
`13:49.25`	`foxtrot`	`why do people use ubuntu`
`13:49.40`	`foxtrot`	`its just a userfriendly ripoff of debian right?`
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`13:49.51`	`Xeli`	`there's your answer ;)`
`13:50.18`	`jordanm`	`foxtrot: you should probably ask ubuntu user's that. see #ubuntu`
`13:50.18`	`T0rrent0w`	`hello linux geeks`
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`13:50.54`	`foxtrot`	`ive gotten into a lot of conversations at school like this: "oh cool you use linux! which do you use?" "debian" "hmm, ive never heard of that, i use ubuntu"`
`13:51.28`	`Kazuha`	`>_<;`
`13:51.57`	`Kazuha`	`I wouldn't say "user-friendly".`
`13:52.00`	`abrotman`	`foxtrot: try #ubuntu or #debian-offtopic`
`13:52.02`	`jordanm`	`foxtrot: this channel is primarily for support, if you want to rant, I suggest #debian-offtopic or similar`
`13:52.09`	`Kazuha`	`I'd say more like "newbified".`
`13:52.16`	`abrotman`	`ANYWAYS ...`
`13:52.17`	`iceroot`	`foxtrot: debian is not very common for normal/casual users. also you will never hear of a enterprise solution we support debian, you only will hear we support rhel, sles and so on`
`13:52.38`	`foxtrot`	`it was 2 friggin lines`
`13:52.52`	`foxtrot`	`geez`
`13:53.04`	`javagamer_`	`I want to install nvidia-opencl-icd on my Squeeze system, yet it appears it's only in sid, is there any way to install this so that apt will recognize it and update it when a newer version eventually makes its way down to squeeze?`
`13:53.08`	`Kazuha`	`tbh, that was more offtopic than on.`
`13:53.37`	`foxtrot`	`heh`
`13:53.37`	`iceroot`	`foxtrot: its normal for (#)debian`
`13:53.43`	`abrotman`	`foxtrot: we're just trying to keep it from spiraling out of control .. it's not just you`
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`13:53.55`	`codebare_rfc2812`	`see gl library javagamer_`
`13:53.59`	`foxtrot`	`ok im sorry`
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`13:54.03`	`jordanm`	`we could not assume your rant was going to end after two lines`
`13:54.11`	`abrotman`	`foxtrot: if you want to discuss it in #debian-offtopic, you can try`
`13:54.17`	`Kazuha`	`I'm sure that 5~15 in here have a "Ubuntu is" rant all queued up.`
`13:54.30`	`codebare_rfc2812`	`and xorg glx configuration javagamer_`
`13:54.37`	`jordanm`	`!start a distro war\`
`13:54.38`	`jordanm`	`!start a distro war`
`13:54.39`	`dpkg`	`Yggdrasil forever.`
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`13:55.01`	`Kazuha`	`I don't think I've heard of that one.`
`13:55.03`	`abrotman`	`javagamer_: if the dependencies are satisfied, you can just grab the package`
`13:55.07`	`codebare_rfc2812`	`but you can find nvidia-kernel i think javagamer_`
`13:55.10`	`abrotman`	`Kazuha: very old, one of the first`
`13:55.17`	`Kazuha`	`Ah.`
`13:55.18`	`abrotman`	`long dead IIRC`
`13:55.22`	`Kazuha`	`lol.`
`13:55.31`	`Kazuha`	`That explains why I've never heard of it.`
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`13:55.39`	`codebare_rfc2812`	`but fglrx driver are in testing javagamer_`
`13:56.16`	`relzzz`	`any estimation when vlc 1.1.0 would be available for lenny?`
`13:56.36`	`codebare_rfc2812`	`sorry fglrx are for ati`
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`13:56.51`	`abrotman`	`relzzz: is it even out yet? and probably won't be`
`13:57.13`	`javagamer_`	`codebare_rfc2812: I'm a little confused with what you're saying. Right now I have the nvidia drivers installed and I have CUDA working, I just want to get OpenCL to work as well`
`13:57.30`	`abrotman`	`javagamer_: if the dependencies are satisfied, you can just grab the package from packages.debian.org`
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`13:57.52`	`javagamer_`	`abrotman: So, are you saying that if I just download and install the .deb for the package, when a new version comes to squeeze apt-get will know about it and update it?`
`13:58.28`	`jordanm`	`javagamer_: if the squeeze version is newer, yes`
`13:58.28`	`abrotman`	`javagamer_: yes, but it won't work if the dependencies aren't satisfied .. otherwise you'll have to grab other packages, etc .. so check before you try`
`13:58.28`	`Kazuha`	`javagamer_: More along the lines of: Manually installing it puts it there.`
`13:59.16`	`javagamer_`	`So, will the package just not install if I don't have the dependencies, or will it install, but not work?`
`13:59.29`	`jpinx-eeepc`	`javagamer_: take a look at the packages and dependencies in debian.org or use aptitude -s`
`13:59.31`	`abrotman`	`javagamer_: it won't install, but you can get it removed`
`13:59.50`	`javagamer_`	`And if I manually install it, it will treat it the same as if I installed it through apt-get?`
`13:59.53`	`Kazuha`	`dpkg -i (packagename), will install it, but if you don't have the dependencies, it will refuse to install.`
`13:59.53`	`dpkg`	`installs (packagename), will install it, but if you don't have the dependencies, it will refuse to install. into kazuha's head with a bone saw and a few screws`
`14:00.13`	`relzzz`	`abrotman it is out why wont it be?`
`14:00.18`	`Kazuha`	`lol?`
`14:00.37`	`javagamer_`	`Alright, sounds perfect, just wasn't sure about how manually installing .deb s worked.`
`14:01.14`	`abrotman`	`relzzz: that's not how debian/stable works .. it may come with lennynhalf, but i'd doubt it`
`14:01.24`	`Kazuha`	`I've done it a few times -- most often to replace one version of WINE with another that was no longer in apt's database.`
`14:01.47`	`abrotman`	Kazuha: javagamer_: then you do `aptitude -f install` and it will first offer to remove it, hit 'n', then see what it suggests next
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`14:01.56`	`jpinx-eeepc`	`javagamer_: do the dpkg thiong and then run aptitude update and it'll tell you about broken depends`
`14:02.16`	`iceroot`	`where is PATH stored for a user?`
`14:02.24`	`Kazuha`	`IIRC, its in bash.`
`14:02.31`	`Kazuha`	`Or rather, .bashrc.`
`14:02.34`	`jordanm`	`iceroot: in the environment. do you mean where is it read from?`
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`14:03.42`	`iceroot`	`jordanm: i mean where the info is that the user root have /usr/sbin in his PATH and user xy dont`
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`14:04.10`	`jordanm`	`iceroot: /etc/profile`
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`14:04.38`	`relzzz`	`abrotman: any estimation for it's outcome?`
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`14:04.50`	`iceroot`	`jordanm: thank you. thats what i was looking for`
`14:04.56`	`Revoluzifer`	`hi guys, got a grub-related problem. installed debian 5.03 on my usb drive yesterday. unfortunately the installer has put grub to my local harddrive, but i want it to be on the thumbdrive. any hints on how to install grub afterwards?`
`14:04.58`	`abrotman`	`relzzz: i gave one already`
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`14:05.07`	`abrotman`	`judd: versions vlc`
`14:05.08`	`judd`	`vlc -- etch: 0.8.6-svn20061012.debian-5.1+etch3; etch-security: 0.8.6-svn20061012.debian-5.1+etch3; lenny: 0.8.6.h-4+lenny2; lenny-security: 0.8.6.h-4+lenny2.3; sid: 1.0.6-1; squeeze: 1.0.6-1`
`14:05.16`	`jordanm`	`!tell Revoluzifer about reinstall grub`
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`14:05.45`	`Revoluzifer`	`dose this work from within a live-cd? or do i have to boot through the wrong-installed grub?`
`14:07.11`	`jordanm`	`the factoid recommended a livecd`
`14:07.14`	`Posterdati`	`abrotman: in #emdebian they told me it's dpkg-cross bug`
`14:07.35`	`jpinx-eeepc`	`there's a #vlc`
`14:07.39`	`dalias`	`this question is partially off-topic, but maybe somebody can help me..`
`14:07.42`	`Revoluzifer`	`jordanm: great thing, so i'm gonna test that ;) thanks a lot`
`14:07.58`	`dalias`	`i got the source package for eglibc and i'm trying to test patching it`
`14:08.23`	`dalias`	`but loading the (unpatched) self-compiled libc.so with LD_PRELOAD causes segfaults`
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`14:09.02`	`dalias`	`is there a recommended way to test builds of libc without trashing your system? :)`
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`14:10.05`	`Arafangion`	`dalias: To do so on another machine, or better, a virtual machine.`
`14:10.18`	`Arafangion`	`Perhaps even a chroot.`
`14:10.42`	`jpinx-eeepc`	`chroot is easier imo`
`14:10.55`	`jpinx-eeepc`	`even I can do that :)`
`14:11.11`	`Arafangion`	`It still requires root.`
`14:11.29`	`jpinx-eeepc`	`and chroot is less overhead too (on my poor wee eeepc)`
`14:11.46`	`jpinx-eeepc`	`sure - hence ch"root" ;)`
`14:12.08`	`qq-`	`!schroot`
`14:12.08`	`dpkg`	`extra, extra, read all about it, schroot is an easy way of setting up a chroot of testing or unstable within your installation of stable. See http://wiki.debian.org/Kde4schroot and http://linuxgazette.net/150/kapil.html`
`14:12.31`	`dalias`	`hm`
`14:12.42`	`dalias`	`no good way of testing just with LD_PRELOAD based stuff?`
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`14:12.47`	`jpinx-eeepc`	`qq-: is that kde-specific?`
`14:12.54`	`qq-`	`no`
`14:13.11`	`jpinx-eeepc`	`qq-: cool - I'll give it a whizz`
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`14:15.02`	`freezer`	`how to resize vfat fs?`
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`14:15.44`	`jpinx-eeepc`	`qq-: just read the summary of schroot - looks impressive - thanks:)`
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`14:16.45`	`qq-`	`jpinx-eeepc, np`
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`14:17.46`	`cotalpha`	`is there any tool to check line-endings of a file. I am having trouble with windows, unix and mac style line-endings. i would like to see which line ends with what kind of line ending`
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`14:20.25`	`XThief`	`im trying to install libgmp3-dev with apt-get, but it tries to stop mysql, says that couldnt stop(failed) and the package doesnt get installed`
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`14:22.25`	`jordanm`	`cotalpha: "file <file>"`
`14:22.58`	`jordanm`	`cotalpha: dos format will return as: test.txt: ASCII text, with CRLF line terminators; use dos2unix to convert`
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`14:23.51`	`abrotman`	`unless you get afile like the one i had \r\r\n .. wtf`
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`14:24.38`	`epsilon`	`what's actually mac stlye new line?`
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`14:25.52`	`s0lid`	`im trying to create a transparent proxy but when i put this in the squid.conf "cache_cf.cc(346) squid.conf:3092 unrecognized: 'httpd_accel_host'`
`14:25.52`	`s0lid`	`"`
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`14:26.18`	`s0lid`	`i mean when i put the httpd_acce_host i always get this error "cache_cf.cc(346) squid.conf:3092 unrecognized: 'httpd_accel_host'"`
`14:26.37`	`tau`	`hey, is there some simple tool to convert rmvb to avi files ?`
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`14:26.53`	`mischief`	`maybe ffmpeg`
`14:27.04`	`tau`	`i don't know how to use either mencode or ffmpeg.`
`14:27.09`	`foetus`	`hello, small problem.. i've made new DVD's of Debian Etch (r9) with jigdo, all media are retrieved correctly with apt-cdrom add.. and now i wonna do a 'apt-get dist-upgrade' and i become an md5sum-error on every single package.. retrieving the media with apt-cdrom is full error-free..`
`14:27.16`	`cotalpha`	`jordanm: yes, but file command doesn't tell which line ends with which type of newline. i found an answer. cat -e shows the newlines ^M for CR and $ for LF`
`14:27.22`	`jelly`	`tau: if mplayer can play it, mencoder can transcode it`
`14:27.34`	`abrotman`	`not always very well ...`
`14:27.40`	`tau`	`mischief: i don't understand about movies quality etc. so when i use both , it yields a bad quality`
`14:27.49`	`abrotman`	`foetus: why are you using etch? it's no longer supported`
`14:27.52`	`jelly`	`though "simple" is not what I would mencoder call`
`14:28.06`	`tau`	`jelly: well, i want to convert to avi to create a dvd file by using the devede.`
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`14:28.17`	`mischief`	`tau, then perhaps you should read the documentation`
`14:28.43`	`jelly`	`or query the devede people, preferably with a sample file`
`14:28.51`	`foetus`	`abrotman: i use it - anyway. But whats wrong with my media?`
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`14:29.07`	`tau`	`mischief: sincerely, same reading the documentation i would need to understand of a lot things moreover just simple knowledges on sounds.`
`14:29.18`	`abrotman`	`foetus: please don't use etch`
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`14:29.37`	`foetus`	`abrotman: Why?`
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`14:30.07`	`abrotman`	`it's not supported anymore!`
`14:30.20`	`abrotman`	`it hasn't had security updates since February and has known security issues`
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`14:32.03`	`petern_`	`hands abrotman a potato machine`
`14:32.08`	`abrotman`	`no thanks`
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`14:32.40`	`petern_`	`:)`
`14:32.48`	`petern_`	`but it's so lean!`
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`14:33.19`	`foetus`	`abrotman: ok, my Lenny Disks are waiting on the table, but i like to correct the misterious md5sum-error.`
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`14:34.03`	`abrotman`	`foetus: did you manually verify that they do match?`
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`14:36.11`	`foetus`	`abrotman: No. I will try it now.. but why does apt-get gives me no error? He must do it, normally..`
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`14:37.49`	`zplinux`	`hi all`
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`14:38.23`	`zplinux`	`in /etc/network/interfaces how can I stop eth1 from becoming a default gateway?`
`14:38.27`	`jordanm`	`cotalpha: yes, it does`
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`14:39.12`	`jordanm`	`cotalpha: it displays ASCII text for \n and "with CRLF line terminators" for \r\n`
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`14:39.33`	`jordanm`	`cotalpha: if you are looking to parse the output, I would go that route`
`14:39.35`	`DarthGandalf`	`Hello! How to reopen bug in debian? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=565380 wasn't fixed very good and I have better patch for it`
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`14:40.01`	`jordanm`	`DarthGandalf: using the reportbug tool (always run with no arguements the first time)`
`14:40.06`	`cotalpha`	`jordanm: can 'file' command show the line ending for each line like cat -e can?`
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`14:40.25`	`jordanm`	`DarthGandalf: or you can just send an email to 565380@bugs.debian.org`
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`14:40.55`	`jordanm`	`cotalpha: it doesn't show you the ending, but it tells you if it is \r\n or not`
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`14:41.13`	`cotalpha`	`ok`
`14:41.14`	`foxtrot`	`ok so Im installing my netinst cd, and its saying it is missing network firmware files: 'tigon/tg3_tso5.bin' and to insert media with it on there`
`14:41.25`	`foxtrot`	`im not sure what to do or where to get that file`
`14:41.28`	`jordanm`	`!tell foxtrot about kmuto`
`14:41.33`	`jelly`	`foxtrot: is this a server machine?`
`14:41.44`	`foxtrot`	`its a broadcom minipci wifi card`
`14:41.48`	`jordanm`	`foxtrot: I believe the kmuto installer has tigon drivers ready`
`14:41.51`	`foxtrot`	`nope its a dell d400 laptop`
`14:41.58`	`jelly`	`foxtrot: tg3 is not a wifi driver`
`14:42.11`	`foxtrot`	`oh`
`14:42.14`	`jelly`	`foxtrot: ignore that particular message`
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`14:42.27`	`foxtrot`	`i can ignore it?`
`14:42.31`	`foxtrot`	`ok ill try`
`14:42.54`	`jelly`	`it's a driver for a number of broadcom _wired ethernet_ cards`
`14:43.01`	`foxtrot`	`ohhhh`
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`14:43.08`	`foxtrot`	`i dont need the wired`
`14:43.10`	`foxtrot`	`just wireless`
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`14:44.30`	`jelly`	`you're likely to need additional firmware for wireless, but this message is not complaining about that`
`14:46.51`	`foxtrot`	`does that mean that i dont need additional firmware for the wireless?`
`14:47.01`	`foetus`	`abrotman: ok, i have a totally broken etch-distro :)`
`14:47.04`	`foxtrot`	`this is a netinst`
`14:47.07`	`abrotman`	`so use lenny!`
`14:47.18`	`karlpinc`	`I just sent someone (probably on MS windows) a documented encrypted using their pgp public key. I used gpg and they can't decrypt it. I left the .gpg suffix on, would changing this to .pgp "fix" the "problem"? Any other hints?`
`14:47.21`	`jelly`	`foxtrot: you'll need it later`
`14:47.40`	`foetus`	`abrotman: i love it.`
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`14:48.55`	`foxtrot`	`jelly: where should i get it?`
`14:49.10`	`jelly`	`foxtrot: dunno, /msg dpkg wireless`
`14:49.12`	`AmberJ`	`jelly: Maybe you remember that I was having problems with my vbox guest additions (i mistakenly installed them on my host OS) that was not allowing me to start my WM when I was trying to startx (?)`
`14:49.13`	`jordanm`	`karlpinc: this looks like it would be helpful: http://www.gnupg.org/faq.html#q5`
`14:49.30`	`jelly`	`AmberJ: maybe... bribes help`
`14:49.33`	`karlpinc`	`jordanm: Thanks.`
`14:49.37`	`AmberJ`	`I then tried at #xorg, #vbox and finally all I needed to do was regerate my xorg.conf`
`14:49.44`	`AmberJ`	`jelly: ^that`
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`14:50.40`	`karlpinc`	`jordanm: Humm. That's ugly. The gpg man page says it's defaults are pgp compatible. I wonder which is right?`
`14:51.04`	`felichas`	`Hi, I would like to use debian installer in a personal project`
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`14:51.32`	`foxtrot`	`so basically`
`14:51.34`	`felichas`	`do you know where can I find the code / doc for it? What's the name of the project/package`
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`14:51.45`	`foxtrot`	`I cant do netinst with wireless`
`14:51.56`	`foxtrot`	`is the gist of all this`
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`14:52.10`	`jordanm`	`karlpinc: it seems to depend on whether they are using RSA or IDEA`
`14:52.43`	`karlpinc`	`felichas: There's a section of the debian website devoted to the installer. There's probably more info there. I know there's pages for the installer developers.`
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`14:53.48`	`jordanm`	`felichas: the "debian-installer" package. don't know if it comes with documentation`
`14:54.26`	`felichas`	`thnx, I'll check it out`
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`14:57.25`	`abrotman`	`foxtrot: you can if you don't use official media`
`14:57.30`	`abrotman`	`!tell foxtrot about installer firmware`
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`14:57.56`	`foxtrot`	`netinst does let you install a minimal base system`
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`14:58.34`	`foxtrot`	`so now im at the command line and need to get wireless working`
`14:58.38`	`foxtrot`	`hmm`
`14:59.00`	`foxtrot`	`i guess my only option is downloading stuff to a flash drive and copying it over?`
`14:59.15`	`ampex`	`foxtrot: you don't have wired ethernet available to you?`
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`14:59.34`	`foxtrot`	`ampex: nope`
`14:59.44`	`karlpinc`	`foxtrot: You can boot from the installer into rescue mode. If the installer worked, then you'll have wireless available from there.`
`14:59.57`	`foxtrot`	`i completed the installer`
`15:00.05`	`foxtrot`	`debians installed`
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`15:00.09`	`foxtrot`	`but i have nowireless`
`15:00.14`	`foxtrot`	`no wireless that is`
`15:00.26`	`ampex`	`foxtrot: does debian support your wireless hardware?`
`15:00.46`	`karlpinc`	`foxtrot: Use it again, in rescue mode. The installer had wireless. You can use it to get into your new system with wireless and use aptitude (or whatever) to install what you need.`
`15:00.56`	`foxtrot`	`ampex: yes its broadcom b43`
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`15:03.58`	`foxtrot`	`karlpinc: are you sure bcm43xx is supported?`
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`15:04.09`	`foxtrot`	`the wiki is saying i need like 4 packages`
`15:04.20`	`foxtrot`	`wireless-tools b43-fwcutter etc`
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`15:05.10`	`karlpinc`	`foxtrot: No, I'm not. I figured you'd know because you used the installer to install.`
`15:05.29`	`foxtrot`	`yeah and i said it didnt recognize my card`
`15:05.37`	`tbsaunde`	`foxtrot: theoretically most of b43xx is supported`
`15:05.39`	`karlpinc`	`foxtrot: Sorry, I wasn't here.`
`15:06.00`	`foxtrot`	`its ok`
`15:06.28`	`foxtrot`	`sigh`
`15:06.31`	`karlpinc`	`foxtrot: FWIW, a newer kernel from backports.org will have newer drivers if you have problems with a stock lenny kernel.`
`15:06.37`	`foxtrot`	`well what are my options`
`15:08.04`	`foxtrot`	`this is proprietary nonfree firmware`
`15:08.16`	`karlpinc`	`foxtrot: Some live cd/rescue cd/installer cd/whatever that supports your card or sneakernet. If you know you only need those packages it might be easiest to use your usb key.`
`15:08.17`	`tbsaunde`	`foxtrot: newer kernel and b43 firmware may well work download it and find out, do you have access to something other than the debian box now?`
`15:08.32`	`karlpinc`	`!tell foxtrot about kmuto`
`15:08.35`	`foxtrot`	`yes`
`15:08.48`	`foxtrot`	`i have access to a windows machine`
`15:09.02`	`karlpinc`	`foxtrot: The kmuto installers might work with your wifi, if you want to go there.`
`15:09.04`	`foxtrot`	`im just trying to figure out what i need to download`
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`15:10.31`	`foxtrot`	`problem is i think there will be like 50 dependencies`
`15:10.48`	`climber11`	`what can i use in debian to download things reliably from the comamnd line`
`15:10.57`	`karlpinc`	`foxtrot: That's the advantage of booting with a kernel that works and then using apt from there.`
`15:11.01`	`climber11`	`as in if it fails to download it will retry until it is done`
`15:11.25`	`foxtrot`	`climber11: wget`
`15:11.26`	`karlpinc`	`climber11: probably both wget and curl will do that. I forget, at least 1 does.`
`15:11.47`	`foxtrot`	`wget -c -t 0 http://file.com/file.zip`
`15:11.53`	`foxtrot`	`-c is resume`
`15:11.59`	`foxtrot`	`-t 0 sets infinite retries`
`15:12.05`	`climber11`	`sweet`
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`15:12.55`	`karlpinc`	`foxtrot: Note that I'm not telling you to re-install.`
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`15:16.55`	`tbsaunde`	`karlpinc: b43 requires downloading firmware to make it work,`
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`15:17.48`	`tbsaunde`	`karlpinc: you install b43-fwcutter and another package and it goes out and downloads from broadcom, you can probably download the firmware by hand, but I'm not sure exactly how`
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`15:19.48`	`meder__`	`is there a way i can find what cron jobs are setup on a server`
`15:20.18`	`karlpinc`	`meder__: All cron jobs by any user?`
`15:20.28`	`meder__`	`yes`
`15:21.01`	`karlpinc`	`/etc/crontab /etc/cron/ /var/spool/cron/ (IIRC)`
`15:21.21`	`broy-w`	`crontab -e`
`15:21.32`	`foxtrot`	`tbsaunde: ok well if i can get wired eth access, it still wants the tigon/tg3_tso5.bin firmware, how should i get that?`
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`15:26.15`	`tbsaunde`	`foxtrot: no idea what that firmware is, you need to install one of the firmware-b43-foo packages, which depends on which card you have`
`15:26.21`	`craigevil`	`why would adduser say i am already in the "lp" group when i try to add myself to it, but it doesnt show up when i do groups`
`15:26.45`	`foxtrot`	`tbsaunde: its a required firmware for my wired ethernet`
`15:26.58`	`foxtrot`	`maaan getting online is difficult`
`15:27.30`	`tbsaunde`	`foxtrot: hm, not suure I don't know anything about that`
`15:27.33`	`petemc`	`craigevil: getent group \| grep lp`
`15:27.41`	`tbsaunde`	`foxtrot: interfaces do you have now?`
`15:28.19`	`craigevil`	`petemc: that shows lp:x:7:craig, but when i do groups lp isnt listed`
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`15:28.38`	`petemc`	`craigevil: perhaps try logging out and back ib`
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`15:28.53`	`BennyRules`	`hey]`
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`15:29.59`	`craigevil`	`petemc: that could be it, thanks`
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`15:32.53`	`Drakeson`	`what is the fastest way (on the command line) to confirm whether a certain package is installed? (is dpkg -l PACKAGE_NAME the best way?)`
`15:33.04`	`petemc`	`yes`
`15:33.23`	`petemc`	`or apt-cache policy foo`
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`15:35.58`	`Drakeson`	`petemc: thanks.`
`15:36.00`	`foxtrot`	`whats the difference between .deb and .udeb`
`15:36.02`	`setuid`	`Anyone know why png support was removed from imagemagick in the latest update?`
`15:36.24`	`lindi-`	`setuid: which version?`
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`15:36.54`	`Drakeson`	`it seems that apt-cache policy is 10 times faster (here) but it exits with 0 in both cases (installed or not installed)`
`15:36.58`	`themill`	`Drakeson: "installed" has a number of different meanings of course. Scheduled to be installed? Unpacked but not yet configured? Scheduled to be removed but currently installed? ...`
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`15:37.11`	`themill`	`!installed test`
`15:37.11`	`dpkg`	`To test in a script if a package is installed, you can: if dpkg -l $package 2>/dev/null \| grep -q ^.i; then echo yes; fi or if [[ $(dpkg-query -f'${Status}' --show $package 2>/dev/null) = *\ installed ]]; then echo yes; fi. Note that both of these will match package that are currently installed but scheduled for removal. See man dpkg for more details.`
`15:37.14`	`DarthGandalf`	`Sending mail to patch doesn't work... "550 Unknown or archived bug (state 14)."`
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`15:37.36`	`DarthGandalf`	`Ups... Sending mail to 565380@bugs.debian.org`
`15:37.44`	`setuid`	`<PROTECTED>`
`15:38.21`	`Drakeson`	`themill: thanks. that's helpful :)`
`15:38.25`	`themill`	`DarthGandalf: from that bug's page, "Bug is archived. No further changes may be made."`
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`15:38.48`	`DarthGandalf`	`themill: So I need to open new bug?`
`15:39.07`	`themill`	`DarthGandalf: if the bug's fixed, why do you want to send a patch to it?`
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`15:39.49`	`DarthGandalf`	`themill: It's very badly fixed. Current fix violates CAP specs,`
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`15:40.22`	`themill`	`DarthGandalf: ahh. So you need to "unarchive" the bug and probably should "reopen" it so you can then send your new patch in. http://www.debian.org/Bugs/server-control#unarchive`
`15:41.34`	`setuid`	`lindi-, Anything on this anywhere?`
`15:41.58`	`Drakeson`	`themill: well, I tried both ways (dpkg -l, and dpkg-query --show), and it seems that they are both around 10 times slower than "apt-cache policy". Could apt-cache policy be inaccurate?`
`15:42.55`	`themill`	`Drakeson: it depends what question you're actually asking. Remember also that the kernel will be caching the files for you so the tests aren't always that easy to do reproducibly.`
`15:43.11`	`jelly`	`in aptitude ui, how do I skip to next to-be-removed package?`
`15:43.38`	`themill`	`Drakeson: "apt-cache policy package" will show that a package is installed even though it would be removed by the next apt/aptitude run.`
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`15:44.21`	`DarthGandalf`	`themill: I need to send mail to control@bugs.debian.org where first line is "unarchive 565380" and then from 2 line just description and patch?`
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`15:45.07`	`lindi-`	`setuid: works for me.`
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`15:46.20`	`Drakeson`	`themill: the latter inaccuracy is totally acceptable. Are there other major concerns with regards to apt-cache policy (e.g., if apt-cache might not get installed during a debootstrap)`
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`15:47.45`	`setuid`	`lindi-, Rebuilding from source and adding png support back, seems to work`
`15:47.50`	`setuid`	`But out of the box, the package has no png support`
`15:47.53`	`themill`	`DarthGandalf: not quite. you also need to reopen the bug. Your information about the patch and the patch itself need to be sent to the bugnumber address, but you can't do that until after it's archived in any case... Doing it in two steps is easiest, although dondelelcaro may have some magic way of doing it all in one step`
`15:48.06`	`lindi-`	`setuid: it does here`
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`15:48.12`	`DarthGandalf`	`Oh.`
`15:48.13`	`lindi-`	`setuid: what command exactly fails and how?`
`15:48.16`	`themill`	`Drakeson: apt-cache is part of the apt package. You'll have it`
`15:48.20`	`lindi-`	`setuid: on what architecture?`
`15:48.25`	`setuid`	`x64`
`15:48.38`	`amgarching`	`what is wrong with the "screen" if it does not react to any command/input character, but detach C-a-d and reattach works? This is not the usual terminal suspend/resume with C-s/C-q.`
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`15:49.03`	`Drakeson`	`themill: thanks. that's good`
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`15:49.33`	`themill`	`Drakeson: why are you wanting to test it out btw? It's usually unnecessary`
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`15:50.52`	`Drakeson`	`I am tweaking my bootstrap scripts. There are a bunch of packages I need to check and see if they are installed ...`
`15:51.30`	`mguy`	`When I do an apt-get install samba, how can I have it install new smb.conf etc files instead of leaving the existing ones?`
`15:51.39`	`themill`	`Drakeson: why not just "aptitude install" them? If they're already installed it does no harm (it would change them from being automatically isntalled to manually installed though)`
`15:51.39`	`mguy`	`I Hosed my config and want to start over`
`15:52.41`	`Drakeson`	`themill: there a bunch of reasons. Let's begin with "aptitude is not installed itself!"`
`15:53.26`	`Drakeson`	`but there are also other decisions to make if something is not installed`
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`15:53.38`	`themill`	`Drakeson: you could always use "apt-get"... (I'd throw aptitude into the image anyway, it's too useful)`
`15:53.50`	`themill`	`ahh`
`15:54.27`	`Drakeson`	`themill: well, the script begins with apt-get update ; apt-get install aptitude. Then I don't touch apt-get anymore.`
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`15:54.54`	`Drakeson`	`btw, it is strange why aptitude does not come in the default`
`15:55.12`	`themill`	`Drakeson: it should do... how are you creating these chroots?`
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`15:56.38`	`Drakeson`	`themill: oh, another script take care of those. (schroot, "mount --bind"ing proc, sys, ..., a bunch of other things)`
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`15:57.23`	`themill`	`Drakeson: well.. you're selecting packages some how and saying that the package selection is not what you want. Are you using debootstrap to create them or some other tool>`
`15:57.37`	`mintee`	`did etch just disappear from the apt mirrors?`
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`15:57.52`	`Drakeson`	`I use deboostrap`
`15:58.04`	`jhutchins_lt`	`mguy: /usr/share/doc/samba-doc/examples/`
`15:58.07`	`themill`	`!topicsmite mintee`
`15:58.07`	`dpkg`	`And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon mintee. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified.`
`15:58.17`	`jhutchins_lt`	`mguy: I find swat to be quite useful in conjunction with samba-doc.`
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`15:58.52`	`mintee`	`thanks`
`15:58.58`	`mintee`	`and sorry, lol`
`16:00.12`	`mguy`	`jhutchins: I can't get it re-installed, http://pastebin.org/354597`
`16:00.37`	`foxtrot`	`hi`
`16:00.46`	`foxtrot`	`i'd like to setup the ultimate sources.list for unstable`
`16:01.25`	`fiacha`	`Hi again... i was asking before.. i wanted to clone a server by rsync'ing / .. i am trying it now.. what do i need to exclude? (/dev??)`
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`16:03.02`	`Drakeson`	`themill: maybe you are suggesting that I should use debootstrap's options to refine packages selection (which never occured to me)?`
`16:03.38`	`themill`	`that might well be an easier way of doing things, yes.`
`16:03.59`	`frostschutz`	`fiacha: you can exclude several things (dev proc sys, probably mnt depending on whats in there), or you could mkdir /mnt/clean_root; mount /dev/rootpartition /mnt/cleanroot, and rsync /mnt/cleanroot/ completely`
`16:04.12`	`Drakeson`	`themill: I see, thanks`
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`16:04.37`	`craigevil`	`foxtrot: take a look at http://sites.google.com/site/mydebiansourceslist/Home , all you really need is sid line and maybe debian-multimedia.org`
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`16:06.11`	`fiacha`	`frostschutz: proc and sys was what i was looking for.. yes mnt too.. Thanks!`
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`16:07.19`	`frostschutz`	`fiacha: I prefer the clean mounting method, otherwise your clone will have the original /dev missing for instance`
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`16:09.37`	`fiacha`	`frostschutz: first time i'm trying this.. so like you said above.. mount root to for example /mnt/cleanroot and then just rsync that.. but then what do i do once it's finished (how do i swap them?)`
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`16:10.25`	`fiacha`	`oh nm you mean /dev/rootpartition is clean.. / is not?`
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`16:11.33`	`jhutchins_lt`	`fiacha: I would recommend booting the source server from a live CD then mounting the filesystem.`
`16:11.40`	`mintee`	`are there any legacy etch mirrors around... I just need one freaking package..`
`16:11.50`	`frostschutz`	`fiacha: you can mount the root partition a second time to /mnt/somedir/ where you can access all of its file without being obstructed by other mount points`
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`16:12.28`	`frostschutz`	`fiacha: if you actually want to switch the root partition with something else, then doing it from a rescue system may be preferable`
`16:12.54`	`jhutchins_lt`	`mguy: I wish I knew the apt system better, try aptitude reinstall.`
`16:13.04`	`jhutchins_lt`	`mguy: Or possibly dpkg.`
`16:13.26`	`themill`	`dpkg: tell mintee about archive`
`16:13.28`	`fiacha`	`frostschutz: ahh no i understand.. so all the other things i mounted under / would be copied too if i used / ... if i just mount it again it will only copy the true root files.. thanks! :))`
`16:13.40`	`themill`	`mintee: yes, but it's really well past time to be upgrading to lenny.`
`16:14.18`	`mintee`	`themill: ya, i know, i've been working on it all week, but it's a remote box that I have to fly to.`
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`16:14.47`	`themill`	`mintee: I've upgraded remote machines from etch to lenny before and it's doable... just scary.`
`16:15.09`	`fiacha`	`frostschutz: well i have a base system installed.. and i just rync source:/mnt/cleanroot / (overwriting local files) and then edit interfaces/hostname and reboot?`
`16:15.09`	`mintee`	`if i restart it, the kernel will panic.. over a sangoma wwanpipe module`
`16:15.20`	`mintee`	`i have to go there and build it before rebooting.`
`16:15.24`	`mintee`	`thanks for the info though`
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`16:16.09`	`frostschutz`	`fiacha: I'd never use / as a target`
`16:16.40`	`fiacha`	`jhutchins_lt: source needs to stay online... but db's and such are mounted seperately so not copied.. is there something in a basic system that changes constantly (cannot be copied cleanly?)`
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`16:17.08`	`fiacha`	`frostschutz: awww... why not? How else would i do it?`
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`16:17.52`	`saulo`	`How can I disable suhosin in one VirtualHost? (for phpMyAdmin)`
`16:18.21`	`JoshH`	`maybe a phpadminvalue?`
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`16:18.29`	`JoshH`	`or flag rather`
`16:18.42`	`fiacha`	`frostschutz: or do you mean to also make a clean mount of the root on the target and use that as the target?`
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`16:20.51`	`guzu`	`hello all`
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`16:21.05`	`guzu`	`how do i update grub in debian 5?`
`16:21.35`	`frostschutz`	`fiacha: yes, and it preferably should even be empty, mixing systems is not a good idea`
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`16:22.37`	`guzu`	`ok, i get it`
`16:22.49`	`jhutchins_lt`	`guzu: run update-grub?`
`16:23.00`	`fiacha`	`frostschutz: ok.. well it is just the very basic net install (not even sys utils etc) from the same cd used for the installation of the other server... same hardware and so on.. i think i'll just try it ;-)`
`16:23.04`	`guzu`	`jhutchins_lt, thank you`
`16:23.15`	`guzu`	`has just red topic :)`
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`16:23.50`	`guzu`	`so debian 4 is over ....`
`16:24.11`	`solifugus`	`apt-cache search dialog doesn't show dialog.. It shows the alternative "whiptail" (never heard of before) but I am looking for dialog..`
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`16:24.19`	`zplinux`	`help me please`
`16:24.25`	`solifugus`	`Does debian lenny not include dialog, of all things?`
`16:24.30`	`fiacha`	`frostschutz: uh oh.. did "mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/cleanRoot" and now my (dev) server hangs.. ehh does this just take a long time or did i just make some kind of recursive mount that will/has crashed the server?`
`16:25.08`	`dondelelcaro`	`solifugus: of course it has dialog`
`16:25.10`	`xoz`	`solifugus: apt-get install dialog`
`16:25.20`	`dondelelcaro`	`judd: versions dialog`
`16:25.21`	`judd`	`dialog -- etch: 1.0-20060221-3; lenny: 1.1-20080316-1; sid: 1.1-20100428-1; squeeze: 1.1-20100428-1`
`16:25.21`	`jhutchins_lt`	`,versions dialog`
`16:25.23`	`judd`	`dialog -- etch: 1.0-20060221-3; lenny: 1.1-20080316-1; sid: 1.1-20100428-1; squeeze: 1.1-20100428-1`
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`16:25.39`	`frostschutz`	`fiacha: normally, neither`
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`16:26.34`	`fiacha`	`frostschutz: hmm well it's not crashed.. another console session works fine.. but the first still hangs.. this should be very fast too.. right?`
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`16:27.02`	`zplinux`	`how can I stop eth1 from becoming a default gateway?`
`16:27.50`	`frostschutz`	`fiacha: it's another way to write mount --rbind / /mnt/cleanroot I guess, should be instant and not hang. Never hang for me :) Anything in dmesg?`
`16:28.15`	`frostschutz`	`fiacha: err, --bind, not --rbind`
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`16:30.29`	`fiacha`	`frostschutz: nothing (new) in dmesg.. thanks for the --bind info.. will try that if i can't get the direct mount to work`
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`16:30.37`	`Bushmills`	`zplinux: depends on why it becomes the default gateway`
`16:31.05`	`fiacha`	`frostschutz: hmm yea can't even kill it with ctrl+c... how else can i kill it?`
`16:31.06`	`zplinux`	`right`
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`16:31.20`	`xoz`	`zplinux: how many interfaces you have?`
`16:31.24`	`Bushmills`	`dhcp?`
`16:31.25`	`frostschutz`	`fiacha: if it's stuck in kernel i/o for some reason, not at all`
`16:31.31`	`fiacha`	`frostschutz: there is one mount process.. should i just kill that?`
`16:31.32`	`zplinux`	`Bushmills: I added eth1 along with a gateway`
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`16:32.27`	`zplinux`	`xoz: http://dpaste.com/210659/`
`16:32.30`	`fiacha`	`frostschutz: oh yes.. mount is using 100% of one cpu... should i just wait?`
`16:32.56`	`zplinux`	`in case I remove all the # from the eth1 lines it becomes a default route`
`16:32.57`	`frostschutz`	`fiacha: that shouldn't happen :)`
`16:33.07`	`zplinux`	`I wnat vmbr0 to be the only defualt route`
`16:33.53`	`fiacha`	`frostschutz: ow... yea.. i'll try to kill it`
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`16:34.52`	`acu`	`where I can find the modules.conf`
`16:35.23`	`acu`	`or modules or whatever`
`16:35.35`	`fiacha`	`frostschutz: well -9 did it.. trying again with bind ;-)`
`16:36.32`	`acu`	`tell acu !modules`
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`16:36.50`	`isfranc`	`hello`
`16:37.10`	`xoz`	`zplinux: route -n shows another gateway?`
`16:38.22`	`fiacha`	`frostschutz: bind worked well... i umounted and tried direct mount again and it hung again... oh well using bind then... thanks for the help! :))`
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`16:41.42`	`zplinux`	`xoz: seems solved`
`16:41.54`	`zplinux`	`as I removed the network and gateway lines`
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`16:44.07`	`halflife08`	`hello folks, i am trying to understand security concerns of having something like this in /etc/sudoers : foobar ALL= /usr/bin/perl /usr/local/bin/testscript * , i figure if the default case is handled, it would be okay to send different opts to the script, unless there is a clever way to construct an option string that is not handled by perl , would appreciate any opinions`
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`16:45.49`	`jelly`	`halflife08: why the /usr/bin/perl part, does the script not begin with #!/usr/bin/perl ?`
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`16:46.13`	`jelly`	`halflife08: I'd limit the allowed arguments heavily.`
`16:46.26`	`jelly`	`or, as heavily as possible`
`16:46.53`	`themill`	`wonders about perl's -e`
`16:48.49`	`jelly`	`well I assume the user's running a hashbang perl -Tw script and all the precautions on the perl side are taken`
`16:48.59`	`halflife08`	`jelly: it does start with the shabang, it has been consist process on how they have been called. blame it on history. no real reason.`
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`16:57.37`	`solifugus`	`Since Debian Lenny doesn't have the decades old dialog utility, where can I find a tutorial on it's alternative "whiptail" ? Google isn't helping`
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`16:58.08`	`solifugus`	`lenny doesn't seem to have dialog or xdialog packages...`
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`16:59.28`	`jordanm`	`,versions xdialog`
`16:59.30`	`judd`	`xdialog -- etch: 2.2.1-2; lenny: 2.3.1-2`
`16:59.34`	`jordanm`	`solifugus: sure it does`
`16:59.42`	`fiacha`	`frostschutz: yay all seems to have worked well... except nic is not comming up.. where are those mac specific files again?`
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`17:00.45`	`fiacha`	`nm saved what jelly told me !70 :)`
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`17:01.13`	`simonrvn`	`,versions dialog`
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`17:01.20`	`simonrvn`	`solifugus: ^^^`
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`17:01.42`	`jelly`	`fiacha: I never!`
`17:01.53`	`fiacha`	`:))`
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`17:03.59`	`tralala`	`how do I make udev rename devices after changing the persistent rules?`
`17:04.49`	`fiacha`	`jelly: so i can just rm the /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules? (will it get generated again with the right macs?)`
`17:04.49`	`cahoot`	`udevadm trigger`
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`17:09.14`	`jelly`	`fiacha: it will get generated again, but whether the devices will be in right order, no one knows`
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`17:19.57`	`guzu`	`what's the simplest way to compile a kernel which does not enforce dma, in debian 4?`
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`17:20.48`	`funyun`	`can anyone help me? i keep getting this error "error while loading shared libraries: libgthread-2.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory"`
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`17:21.31`	`simonrvn`	`try installing that...`
`17:21.34`	`cahoot`	`funyun: since it isn't a debian package this is not the place to ask`
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`17:22.45`	`simonrvn`	`or get the hell off freenode ;p`
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`17:23.03`	`tralala`	`it seems that udev in testing is not working as supposed with /etc/default/keyboard - the xkb options are not sent to the X server. Can anybody confirm that?`
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`17:27.57`	`XThief`	`im trying to compile a program, but i get this error: /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lgmp`
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`17:30.24`	`Traubert`	`XThief: install gmp?`
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`17:30.41`	`Traubert`	`apt-get install libgmp3-dev`
`17:30.49`	`XThief`	`Traubert i did that`
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`17:31.18`	`Traubert`	`hm`
`17:31.20`	`Traubert`	`via the debian package?`
`17:31.38`	`Traubert`	`are you compiling C++?`
`17:31.44`	`XThief`	`Traubert but it tries to remove mysql-server-5.0, but it cant as it doesnt stop`
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`17:32.27`	`Traubert`	`XThief: I don't understand - you have to remove mysql to install gmp?`
`17:32.56`	`XThief`	`Traubert looks like`
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`17:33.28`	`fiacha`	`jelly: all worked well, Thanks!!!`
`17:33.44`	`fiacha`	`Thanks for the help! :) bye bye`
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`17:34.10`	`relzzz`	`if a user can run a script, why wouldnt it run as a crontab?`
`17:34.11`	`Traubert`	`XThief: well, that stumps me`
`17:34.16`	`tau_`	`is there some way to force the bash to store typed commands indefinetely into ~bash_history ?`
`17:34.50`	`tau_`	`i want it to store all commands typed since the first time it was used.`
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`17:35.00`	`Traubert`	`XThief: libgmp3-dev specifically and libgmpxx4ldbl for C++?`
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`17:35.19`	`XThief`	`Traubert it says that mysql-server-5.0 is not longer required, that i have to type apt-get autoremove to remove it`
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`17:35.52`	`XThief`	`Traubert i type that, tries this Stopping MySQL database server: mysqld failed!`
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`17:36.21`	`Traubert`	`XThief: well, you don't need to autoremove unnecessary packages to install others`
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`17:36.40`	`XThief`	`Traubert than it should be installed, but still teh same error`
`17:36.47`	`Traubert`	`XThief: just go ahead and install gmp, then stop mysql if you don't need it`
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`17:37.00`	`XThief`	`Traubert no!,its working!!`
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`17:37.11`	`XThief`	`Traubert i tried again, and compiled right`
`17:37.17`	`Traubert`	`oh, ok`
`17:37.20`	`XThief`	`Traubert thanks a lot traubert :D`
`17:37.25`	`Traubert`	`great!`
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`17:37.59`	`jordanm`	`XThief: is the mysqld still running?`
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`17:38.26`	`XThief`	`jordanm looks like still running, yes`
`17:38.31`	`jordanm`	`XThief: pgrep mysqld`
`17:38.41`	`jordanm`	`XThief: kill it, the proceed with removal`
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`17:38.57`	`XThief`	`jordanm but i use mysql for some websites`
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`17:39.13`	`jordanm`	`XThief: aptitude unmarkauto mysql-server-5.0`
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`17:40.55`	`XThief`	`jordanm if i do that, i loose all the databases?`
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`17:41.01`	`Terr1`	`Can you somehow monitor the power supply output in linux? Or other wise check if your powersupply is unstable?`
`17:41.27`	`jordanm`	`XThief: perhaps you should look at what "unmarkauto" does`
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`17:42.30`	`XThief`	`jordanm i see, thank you`
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`17:43.16`	`jordanm`	`Terr1: lm-sensors`
`17:43.23`	`jordanm`	`Terr1: not sure about real-time monitoring`
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`17:45.54`	`frikinz_`	`What's the easiest way to get flash installed on 64 bits? I don't care if there are security holes in it, I just want to watch a few things on youtube`
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`17:47.33`	`project2501b`	`hey guys, question: i got a small cluster going, based on pelicanhpc, which in turn is based on debian live. i need to add four new ssd hard drives on it, but they are not hot swap. that means i'll have to reboot the system. besides /home, what else should i backup?`
`17:47.56`	`project2501b`	`<PROTECTED>`
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`17:48.06`	`project2501b`	`i mean, is there a guide to mirroring a debian system?`
`17:48.31`	`jordanm`	`project2501b: everything except for things you would not mind if it were gone tomorrow`
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`17:49.09`	`jelly`	`,versions w3mimg`
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`17:49.10`	`judd`	`Sorry, no package named 'w3mimg' was found.`
`17:49.11`	`jordanm`	`if you are unsure, I would just backup /`
`17:49.13`	`simonrvn`	`,versions w3m-img`
`17:49.14`	`judd`	`w3m-img -- etch: 0.5.1-5.1; lenny: 0.5.2-2+b1; sid: 0.5.2-4; squeeze: 0.5.2-4`
`17:49.21`	`simonrvn`	`jelly: ^^^`
`17:49.25`	`jelly`	`.`
`17:49.36`	`jordanm`	`one point for simonrvn`
`17:49.39`	`project2501b`	`Jordanm: i'd mind if i stopped getting blowjobs, but i can't get a backup girlfriend :>`
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`17:50.05`	`project2501b`	`i mean to say, that's a pretty wide area in a system`
`17:50.16`	`project2501b`	`let's see, dpkg --get-selections, /etc`
`17:50.18`	`project2501b`	`git repos`
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`17:51.20`	`Traubert`	`I backup /home /usr/local /etc and selections`
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`17:51.45`	`project2501b`	`that's a bit more reasonable selection`
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`17:52.39`	`project2501b`	`"everything" for me means just dd if=/dev/sda \| netcat my.file.server`
`17:52.50`	`project2501b`	`... while the system is live`
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`17:53.01`	`jordanm`	`for me, its rysnc -av /`
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`17:53.21`	`jordanm`	`taking a backup on that low level is rather pointless IMO`
`17:53.33`	`project2501b`	`yeah, it is`
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`17:55.08`	`project2501b`	`hm. i just had an idea. what if .deb packages included a "configuration files" section, which in turn got picked up by backup software and was automatically copied to backup?`
`17:55.09`	`Traubert`	`I do rsync -vaxAX --delete --ignore-errors --include-from=FILE`
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`17:55.47`	`jhutchins_lt`	`project2501b: You generally don't want /proc or /sys or /tmp or /dev. /var is a bit iffy, too many different things there to safely omit it.`
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`17:56.59`	`jordanm`	`jhutchins_lt: yes, but then he will need to know how to repopulate /dev for restore and etc. I have found it doesn't hurt to do it anyways`
`17:57.19`	`jordanm`	`jhutchins_lt: udev still expects some form a directory structure in /dev`
`17:57.41`	`jelly`	`project2501b: I just backup _everything_, it's simpler`
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`17:58.04`	`jelly`	`project2501b: that means a file-level everything.`
`17:58.25`	`Traubert`	`I think I would embrace the opportunity of needing to recover (a desktop machine) from a backup by omitting a ton of unwanted configuration files, packages and crap`
`17:58.29`	`karlpinc`	`jelly: (Having previously dumped all db content to files. :-`
`17:58.33`	`project2501b`	`kinda pain in the arse`
`17:58.34`	`Traubert`	`doing a manual install first`
`17:58.40`	`jelly`	`karlpinc: of course`
`17:58.48`	`Traubert`	`for servers, it's rather more serious business`
`17:59.17`	`jelly`	`project2501b: my backup software also has a block-based everything when LVM is used, still have to test that`
`17:59.17`	`project2501b`	`jelly: i will admit that 9P is very appealing to me`
`18:00.12`	`project2501b`	`versioning, journal, distributed fileystem with the ability for hot disk image dumps?`
`18:00.27`	`project2501b`	`it's like having the entire OS in git!`
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`18:02.31`	`project2501b`	`faps chomwitt`
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`18:11.17`	`qq-`	`pelicanhpc is a live system installed on frontend node (in ram), from which you may boot diskless nodes (in ram too ;)) , adding a new node (named node-ssd, which contain your ssd hards ) , is a mother off 1-2 minutes, (boot time). moving your data (inside the cluster) to node-ssd is all you needs. that's will be your data backup.`
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`18:24.17`	`hjb_`	`hjb@growing:~$ glxgears`
`18:24.19`	`hjb_`	`Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".`
`18:24.21`	`hjb_`	`Error: couldn't get an RGB, Double-buffered visual`
`18:24.38`	`hjb_`	`my glx doesn't work anymore since a recent upgrade of my debian sid`
`18:24.44`	`jordanm`	`!sid`
`18:24.44`	`dpkg`	`sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. Sid is the destructive kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in; sid is not supported in #debian because sid users should be able to solve their own problems. Sid will never be released. See also <sid faq> <unstable>.`
`18:24.57`	`hjb_`	`firmware-linux-nonfree is installed`
`18:25.07`	`hjb_`	`jordanm: thanks :-/`
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`18:28.19`	`hjb_`	`http://debian.pastebin.com/sujVDnAp`
`18:28.32`	`hjb_`	`drm seems to get loaded by the kernel`
`18:29.21`	`hjb_`	`http://debian.pastebin.com/f1hmiuFu`
`18:29.40`	`hjb_`	`somehow X tries to activate glx for nvidia, which is obviously wrong`
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`18:30.14`	`hjb_`	`needless to say, same config worked before updating`
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`18:31.06`	`hjb_`	`i'm using the xorg "radeon" driver`
`18:31.11`	`hjb_`	`without any options`
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`18:31.51`	`jelly`	`hjb_: you seem to have nvidia-glx installed`
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`18:32.01`	`jelly`	`try getting rid of it`
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`18:34.35`	`hjb_`	`jelly: yeah, figured it right now, no idea when that got installed`
`18:34.58`	`hjb_`	`jelly: why does it take presedence over anything else when installed?`
`18:36.27`	`jelly`	`hjb_: that's the only way for a driver with exact same name to be used`
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`18:36.42`	`jelly`	`hjb_: "if you don't need it, don't install it"`
`18:36.55`	`hjb_`	`i haven't :-D`
`18:37.03`	`hjb_`	`it just came over me`
`18:37.20`	`jelly`	`like a wave of mutilation`
`18:37.31`	`hjb_`	`something like that, yeah`
`18:37.47`	`hjb_`	`let me see if that works now....`
`18:37.53`	`hjb_`	`bye and thanks so far`
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`18:40.21`	`hjb_`	`hey, it worked!`
`18:40.24`	`hjb_`	`glx alive again`
`18:40.27`	`hjb_`	`great`
`18:40.44`	`hjb_`	`now, will i ever know how that nvidia stuff came over me?`
`18:40.50`	`hjb_`	`:-D`
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`18:47.25`	`BiGViC`	`<PROTECTED>`
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`18:55.05`	`dpkg`	`Security Enhanced Linux (SELinux) is NSA's port of the FLASK Security Architecture to Linux. Also it can make your system unbootable if you uninstall it. Unofficial FAQ: http://www.crypt.gen.nz/selinux/faq.html . http://wiki.debian.org/SELinux http://selinuxproject.org/ #selinux on irc.freenode.net. See also <tomoyo>.`
`18:55.09`	`simonrvn`	`bah`
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`19:02.41`	`jelly`	`Hi, er, what was that kde4 white-screen bug number again.`
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`19:04.10`	`jelly`	`got it, #585751, /msg dpkg kde squeeze`
`19:04.28`	`jelly`	`!qotd0`
`19:04.28`	`dpkg`	`my sanity check is a race condition. - Jim Dennis`
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`19:21.48`	`mguy`	`Is there a out of the box ipfilter rule setup?`
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`19:22.24`	`jordanm`	`there are no out of the box services, what would be the point?`
`19:22.28`	`jordanm`	`atleast listening externally`
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`19:32.54`	`Flaim`	`Hi folks`
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`19:42.46`	`tehrabbitt`	`quick question... I forget how to get sshd to load on bootup...`
`19:42.56`	`tehrabbitt`	`I know it's RC something`
`19:44.19`	`tehrabbitt`	`anyone here?`
`19:46.55`	`jordanm`	`tehrabbitt: sysv-rc-conf`
`19:47.22`	`tehrabbitt`	`jordanm: isn't there a command to add it though without manually modifying a conf file?`
`19:47.31`	`tehrabbitt`	`i just forget what it was / dont' have access to google lol`
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`19:48.10`	`jordanm`	`tehrabbitt: I recommend you use sysv-rc-conf`
`19:48.25`	`jordanm`	`tehrabbitt: I did not suggest modifying a config file, and I am not sure where you got that from`
`19:48.29`	`Tramp`	`tehrabbitt: update-rc.d - however, it should start by default unless you changed something`
`19:48.53`	`Tramp`	`!update-rc.d`
`19:48.54`	`dpkg`	`i heard update-rc.d is used to manipulate System V style init script links, which are used to stop/start system services. Read the update-rc.d man page for a good introduction to Debian's boot process. For front-ends, ask me about <rcconf>, <sysv-rc-conf>, <bum>.`
`19:49.03`	`jordanm`	`Tramp: because the update-rc.d manpage recommends using other applications for administering services, I try not to recommend it to others`
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`19:49.45`	`tehrabbitt`	`Tramp: I installed it using apt-get and it does NOT start on boot`
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`19:50.16`	`jordanm`	`tehrabbitt: are you sure you installed the server and not just the client?`
`19:50.21`	`tehrabbitt`	`aptitude install openssh-server`
`19:50.35`	`jordanm`	`yep, starts at boot by default`
`19:50.37`	`Tramp`	`tehrabbitt: then check why. It should`
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`19:50.54`	`jordanm`	`tehrabbitt: /var/log/daemon.log`
`19:50.54`	`trifler`	`ps aux \| grep sshd`
`19:51.20`	`unkmar`	`problem, Linux: can't open /dev/dsp, festival, while browser has paused audio.`
`19:52.05`	`tehrabbitt`	`nothing about sshd in the daemon.log`
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`19:52.38`	`jordanm`	`tehrabbitt: what does sysv-rc-conf --list say about it?`
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`19:52.58`	`tehrabbitt`	`command not found lol`
`19:53.19`	`Tramp`	`jordanm: what part of the manpage are you referring to? I can't find such a recommendation`
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`19:53.53`	`jordanm`	`Tramp: last paragraph of the description section`
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`19:54.20`	`jordanm`	`"System administrators are not encouraged to use update-rc.d to manage runlevels."`
`19:54.46`	`Tramp`	`jordanm: huh? not in my manpage (squeeze)`
`19:55.43`	`jordanm`	`Tramp: that is possibly because sysv-rc-conf and bum (its recommendations) have not been updated for dependancy based booting`
`19:55.48`	`jhutchins_lt`	`What about rcconf?`
`19:55.51`	`jordanm`	`that is only my speculation however`
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`19:56.29`	`Tramp`	`jordanm: ah, ok. Makes sense.`
`19:57.19`	`jhutchins_lt`	`Debian's use of the SysV rc stuff is pretty limited.`
`19:57.58`	`Tramp`	`tehrabbitt: you could try "sh -x /etc/init.d/ssh start" and try to make sense of the output. However, ymmv.`
`19:58.34`	`unkmar`	`I think it is called sound mixing and am having problems. I can't play audio using flash and execute festival commands.`
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`19:59.25`	`jordanm`	`!dmix`
`19:59.25`	`dpkg`	`well, dmix is an <ALSA> subsystem which allows an audio device to play multiple sound streams simultaneously without the need for an external sound server. See http://alsa.opensrc.org/Dmix or another sample asound.conf at http://img.hexus.net/v2/features/foss/a3/images/asound.conf or http://phaeronix.net/asoundrc`
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`20:01.54`	`jhutchins_lt`	`jordanm: I don't have sysv-rc-conf on lenny either.`
`20:02.10`	`jhutchins_lt`	`I use rcconf for managing daemons.`
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`20:02.50`	`tharkun`	`Good evening, I have an old mysqldump file that is on has charset=latin1, how do i manage to put it inside a utf8 server?`
`20:03.05`	`dondelelcaro`	`tharkun: use iconv, and then import it`
`20:03.07`	`Tramp`	`a proper rc-script should check some var in /etc/default/<daemon> and not require messing with symlinks`
`20:03.29`	`tharkun`	`dondelelcaro: I allready tried it but to no use`
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`20:04.01`	`dondelelcaro`	`tharkun: then you haven't done it properly; iconv -f iso8859-1 -t utf8 foofile; and fix the table creation to be utf8`
`20:04.14`	`tharkun`	`dondelelcaro: i also changed the sentence ENGINE=MyISAM DEFAULT CHARSET=utf8;`
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`20:04.39`	`tharkun`	`dondelelcaro: thx, i'll try it again`
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`20:06.56`	`helloha`	`hi all`
`20:07.06`	`helloha`	`where can i download amd64 boot.img.gz?`
`20:08.16`	`hiallall`	`any clue?`
`20:08.19`	`dondelelcaro`	`helloha: from any mirror; it's in the hdimage directory`
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`20:09.45`	`hiallall`	`hd-media?`
`20:09.53`	`hiallall`	`i found it`
`20:09.55`	`hiallall`	`dowloading`
`20:09.59`	`hiallall`	`one more`
`20:10.10`	`jordanm`	`!tell hiallall about enter`
`20:10.12`	`hiallall`	`i only need that img.gz & iso file to my usb drive right?`
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`20:10.31`	`hiallall`	`!tell jordanm about enter`
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`20:11.37`	`hiallall`	`dondelelcaro`
`20:11.39`	`iceroot`	`:)`
`20:11.40`	`hiallall`	`http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/`
`20:11.58`	`hiallall`	`i want to install debain from my usb.i don't have stable connection only wireless`
`20:12.05`	`hiallall`	`should i choose netinst or other images?`
`20:12.13`	`hiallall`	`from the link i sent you`
`20:12.39`	`dondelelcaro`	`hiallall: follow the install guide which explains how to install from a usb device`
`20:13.17`	`dondelelcaro`	`hiallall: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.html.en`
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`20:15.57`	`tharkun`	`dondelelcaro: Row size too large. The maximum row size for the used table type, not counting BLOBs, is 65535. You have to change some columns to TEXT or BLOBs <-- What does it mean, on that line there is a table definition?`
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`20:21.00`	`Tramp`	`tharkun: btw, there also is #mysql`
`20:21.31`	`tharkun`	`Tramp: thx, i know but a message appears that i cant post to channel, that is why i came here for an answer`
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`20:21.45`	`jordanm`	`for the cost of one human soul, you can get oracle support :p`
`20:21.50`	`tharkun`	`or at least a point in the right direction`
`20:21.59`	`Tramp`	`tharkun: yes, as their topic states, you'd have to register with nickserv`
`20:22.32`	`tharkun`	`jordanm: thx, but since this is a legacy erp db and the original server is in "server heaven" i am in rush to extract this information`
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`20:22.59`	`jordanm`	`tharkun: I was just joking actually`
`20:23.06`	`tharkun`	`me too :-)`
`20:23.35`	`tharkun`	`although my phone has been ringing the whole day because of this .-)`
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`20:40.28`	`Atomix`	`hello, anyone good with mono 2.4.3( .net framework) it's using 100% cpu for each of my instances so 200% cpu on my quad, loads are up to 11~`
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`20:42.52`	`fool__`	`hey guys is there a way to restrict apt to bind to an ip for outgoing connections ?`
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`20:47.42`	`jhutchins_lt`	`fool__: Why?`
`20:48.32`	`fool__`	`jhutchins_lt: some programs do specify a bind/listen to ip. i'm just looking for the same thing for apt`
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`20:48.42`	`jhutchins_lt`	`fool__: Why?`
`20:49.06`	`denni1`	`I see the squeeze Live-CD alpha has recent dates, does that mean the images have the same kernel as squeeze? Does it also see pata as sda?`
`20:49.38`	`fool__`	`jhutchins_lt: i'm curious ?`
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`20:50.36`	`Iran`	`hi, how come some shell when you login via putty after you do ls will show the result on color and other just shouw black and wihte`
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`20:51.33`	`tharkun`	`dondelelcaro: After carefully analyzing the data structure on that particular table and doing some math on the amount of "real characters" for the columns everything fell into place. Thx for the point in the right direction`
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`20:53.25`	`jordanm`	`Iran: ls --color. possibly in the default /etc/bash.bashrc`
`20:53.56`	`Iran`	`?`
`20:54.26`	`Iran`	`can you explain more please?`
`20:54.42`	`jhutchins_lt`	`fool__: You could control it with the routing table, but that would apply to everything.`
`20:55.00`	`jordanm`	Iran: "ls is aliased to `ls --color=auto'"; try "type ls"
`20:55.02`	`jhutchins_lt`	`fool__: Usually that's a feature for daemons that listen to a particular address.`
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`20:56.09`	`jhutchins_lt`	`Iran: There's a system called termcap that tries to determine what the capabilities of the "terminal" you're connecting to the system are, and displays things accordingly.`
`20:56.21`	`fool__`	`jhutchins_lt: ah so just iptables ?`
`20:56.21`	`jhutchins_lt`	`Iran: Debian's termcap is pretty restrictive.`
`20:56.24`	`niklasfi`	`i cannot install g++ on my server: cannot connect to ftp2.de.debian.org`
`20:56.29`	`niklasfi`	`what shall i do?`
`20:56.29`	`jhutchins_lt`	`fool__: No, routing table.`
`20:56.35`	`jhutchins_lt`	`fool__: Gateway.`
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`20:56.43`	`fool__`	`gotcha`
`20:56.57`	`Iran`	`ic thanks :)`
`20:56.59`	`niklasfi`	`no actually it translates to cannto open file`
`20:57.02`	`jhutchins_lt`	`niklasfi: Try another mirror?`
`20:57.06`	`will`	`hello`
`20:57.23`	`jhutchins_lt`	`Iran: Are you looking for color on an ssh connection?`
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`20:57.37`	`jordanm`	`niklasfi: remove the 2 from that address`
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`20:57.52`	`tharkun`	`dondelelcaro: The correct term is bytes per character. Thx again`
`20:57.54`	`niklasfi`	`how do i do that? i am using apt-get install g++`
`20:57.59`	`niklasfi`	`after doing apt-get update`
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`20:58.12`	`jordanm`	`niklasfi: edit /etc/apt/sources.list; see man sources.list`
`20:58.22`	`Iran`	`jhutchins yes is it possible?`
`20:58.25`	`jordanm`	`!tell niklasfi about why aptitude`
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`20:59.41`	`Paul_E`	`Hi all.. I'm trying to clone the installed packages on one machine to another and I'm using dpkg --get-selections and --set-selections to do so, however this process doesn't uninstall packages from the cloned machine that weren't on the first one. How can I go about removing any packages not installed on the first machine?`
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`20:59.45`	`Iran`	`jhutchins_lt yes , is it possible?`
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`21:00.50`	`jordanm`	`!tell Paul_E about aptitude clone`
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`21:01.35`	`Iran`	`jhutchins_lt yes , how can i do that?`
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`21:02.52`	`jhutchins_lt`	`Iran: I haven't tracked it down yet, but I'll bet somebody's got it on google. something like "color ls ssh debian"`
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`21:03.13`	`Iran`	`Cool jhutchins_lt :) thanks`
`21:03.48`	`Paul_E`	`Jordanm: thanks!`
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`21:05.22`	`jhutchins_lt`	`I've managed to forget how to fix having the server prompt in the xterm title bar two or three times so far.`
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`21:06.04`	`Paul_E`	`jordanm: Now, when I use the method described in debian clone, it still does not uninstall packages that aren't on the machine I'm cloning on the cloned machine.`
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`21:21.53`	`tharkun`	`dondelelcaro: fwiw http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.1/en/column-count-limit.html`
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`21:25.02`	`Tramp`	`!ops JoesphL0t [~JoesphL0t@64.120.233.114] - probably broken client`
`21:25.02`	`dpkg`	`Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: tramp complains about: JoesphL0t [~JoesphL0t@64.120.233.114] - probably broken client`
`21:25.54`	`niko`	`JoesphL0t: still broken ?`
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`21:25.59`	`*** mode/#debian [+b !@64.120.233.114$##fix_your_connection] by niko`
`21:26.00`	`*** mode/#debian [-o niko] by ChanServ`
`21:26.04`	`Tramp`	`tx`
`21:27.05`	`Iran`	`other qs, how can i add my own welcome on ssh?`
`21:27.34`	`tharkun`	`niko: your nick is not in the ops factoid, thx anyway`
`21:28.09`	`tharkun`	`Iran: man motd.tail`
`21:28.15`	`Iran`	`thanks`
`21:28.18`	`tharkun`	`np`
`21:29.18`	`Tramp`	`tharkun: because freenode staff is on the access-list for #debian`
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`21:29.39`	`xelister`	`how to generate locale "sv_SE.UTF-8" ?`
`21:29.46`	`tharkun`	`Tramp: ohh thx.`
`21:30.05`	`tharkun`	`xelister: dpkg-reconfigure locale`
`21:30.40`	`xelister`	`tharkun: it fails totally`
`21:30.50`	`xelister`	`but I found out what works.. locale-gen "sv_SE.UTF-8"`
`21:33.19`	`tharkun`	`xelister: afaik dpkg-reconfigure uses debconf wich in turns uses the apropiate backend, hard to tell what you have installed in your machine. Great that you have a non debian method for that`
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`21:41.56`	`Iran`	`how to add color on ssh debian -->http://www.askapache.com/linux-unix/bash-power-prompt.html`
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`21:43.47`	`tharkun`	`Iran: check your .bashrc file for the color keyword`
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`21:45.28`	Newb`s	`hello`
`21:45.43`	Newb`s	`Someone told me that Debian Sid == Debian testing`
`21:45.48`	Newb`s	`is it true ?`
`21:46.11`	`jordanm`	Newb`s: no, sid is debian unstable
`21:46.15`	`meder__`	`http://www.debian.org/releases/`
`21:46.15`	`jordanm`	!tell Newb`s about sid
`21:46.17`	`meder__`	`it's all there`
`21:46.18`	`jordanm`	!tell Newb`s about testing
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`21:46.32`	Newb`s	`oh thanks`
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`21:46.44`	`bougie`	`hello`
`21:47.00`	`bougie`	`bougie = candle`
`21:47.02`	`bougie`	`:')`
`21:47.40`	Newb`s	`bye all`
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`21:49.23`	`jeward`	`Hi, I need to make a clock always start5 and float on a standard debian desktop (metacity window manager). Is this possible, and if so, how?`
`21:49.41`	`jeward`	`I've got the autostart down, but how do I make sure it's always on top?`
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`21:50.13`	`engil`	`Why are you always trying to disapprove the usage of Sid, btw ?`
`21:50.25`	`Iran`	`tharkun where can i find .bashrc file`
`21:52.39`	`themill`	`engil: because we don't like making work for ourselves.`
`21:53.20`	`mavhc`	`it's like really expensive stuff, if you have to ask the price, you shouldn't be buying it`
`21:53.36`	`themill`	`If people don't know enough about debian to know how to get sid, they're not going to know how to solve their problems and come crying to us when it broke.`
`21:53.42`	`engil`	`it's that so ?`
`21:53.54`	`themill`	`!mavhc++`
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`21:55.23`	`jeward`	`Is it possible to designate a window always on top and have it stick between sessions with metacity?`
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`21:57.45`	`rms123`	`hi , is wine broken in testing/sid amd64 ?`
`21:58.10`	`engil`	`as always`
`21:58.20`	`meder__`	`what are you using wine for`
`21:58.33`	`rms123`	`the ocasional game...`
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`21:58.43`	`engil`	`themill: Don't looks like a proper reason, to me.`
`21:58.44`	`meder__`	`just dual boot`
`21:59.02`	`jeward`	`How do I make compiz the default window manager for a system I don't have physical access to?`
`21:59.25`	`rms123`	`eh , dont touch that crap tyvm ;)`
`21:59.58`	`themill`	`engil: well if you promise to stay here 24 hours per day and solve all the problems for people who have precisely zero clue about debian who think they want to run sid, feel free...`
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`22:01.22`	`engil`	`And do you recommend the usage of testing ?`
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`22:03.03`	`engil`	`Sid and Testing are de same things.. oh wait... yeah, Testing is 10 days older, that's make a big difference`
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`22:03.42`	`themill`	`engil: it can make a very big difference. And no, I don't recommend the use of testing for most people either.`
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`22:04.20`	`Sneex`	`any ideas about drive arrangement issues after rebooting to a USB key on an HP ProLiant?`
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`22:05.25`	`puty`	`an`
`22:05.25`	`puty`	`[00:03:46] <themill> engil: it can make a very big difference. And no, I don't recommend the use of testing for most people either.`
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`22:25.27`	`jeward`	`Okay, I've changed the default X11 window manager with update-alternatives and see that it is indeed linked to fvwm2. But my window manager is still mwtacity on this auto logged in user.`
`22:25.38`	`jeward`	`metacity, sorry.`
`22:26.17`	`jeward`	`Any idea how to get it to auto login with fvwm2 instead?`
`22:27.24`	`jeward`	`I imagine I could do it from the console before logging the user in, but the system is remote and I don't have access to the console.`
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`22:28.28`	`jeward`	`abrotman: You know much about X11?`
`22:28.32`	`icebrain`	`jeward: I think it depends on the login manager (gdm/kdm/xdm/slim) although I don't know how it works for remote`
`22:28.37`	`abrotman`	`brb`
`22:28.44`	`jeward`	`icebrain: GDM, standard debian setup.`
`22:29.53`	`icebrain`	`jeward: I think you need to run gdmsetup to configure it`
`22:30.01`	`jeward`	`Let me try that.`
`22:30.53`	`jeward`	`icebrain: That's where I set the user to auto-login, but I can't change the default window manager from there.`
`22:31.20`	`jeward`	`Oh, found it!`
`22:31.32`	`jeward`	`Let me reboot the system and see if it comes up with fvwm!`
`22:32.23`	`jeward`	`vino works so well under debian!`
`22:32.51`	`icebrain`	`only uses ssh to admin remote systems`
`22:32.58`	`abrotman`	`jeward: you got it ?`
`22:33.15`	`jeward`	`One sec...`
`22:33.39`	`jeward`	`sighs.`
`22:33.48`	`jeward`	`No, it still came up with metacity.`
`22:34.27`	`jeward`	`abrotman: I need to change the window manager for an auto logged in account on a machine I don't have physical access to.`
`22:34.54`	`jeward`	`abrotman: Unless someone can tell me how to always make a window stay on top across sessions with metacity.`
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`22:35.06`	`abrotman`	`.xsession ? .xinitrc?`
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`22:35.16`	`abrotman`	`jeward: are you only running a single app ?`
`22:35.32`	`jeward`	`abrotman: I changed it with update-alternatives, but it's stiull getting metacity from somewhere.`
`22:35.39`	`jeward`	`abrotman: 2 apps.`
`22:35.51`	`jeward`	`abrotman: A calendar and a clock.`
`22:35.57`	`abrotman`	`jeward: you can try the two files i mentioned, but if this is squeeze, there is more to it`
`22:36.02`	`abrotman`	`or there can be`
`22:36.08`	`jeward`	`abrotman: It's a sort of kiosk for a conference room.`
`22:36.17`	`jeward`	`abrotman: It's lenny.`
`22:36.26`	`abrotman`	`worst kiosk ever .. go to walmart, get a $10 clock and a $5 calendar`
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`22:36.34`	`abrotman`	`save hundreds on energy!`
`22:36.48`	`jeward`	`abrotman: It displays a networked claendar for the said conference room schedule... :)`
`22:36.48`	`abrotman`	`and it better use xdaliclock`
`22:37.03`	`abrotman`	`jeward: .xinitrc ? .xsession ?`
`22:37.04`	`jeward`	`xdaliclock is installed and wainting to be always on top!`
`22:37.12`	`jeward`	`loks.`
`22:37.13`	`xperia`	`hello to all.i have inserted new harddisks in the free slots of my raid array in the proliant 530M G2 Server. I have added them also to my existing ext4 array and proved in the bios array config if they were enabled. but when i boot in debain i dont see any of the free disk space. my question is what do i need to do to get the free disk space ?`
`22:37.14`	`abrotman`	`where it should be!`
`22:37.17`	`abrotman`	`will return`
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`22:39.21`	`jeward`	`tries a 3 line .xsession`
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`22:40.34`	`dkr`	`does there happen be a tool to automatically make a network diagram from a set of iptables rules and/or an nmap scan? or failing that, what's a decent app to use to draw it manually?`
`22:41.00`	`jeward`	`Oh, I think the .xsession kills my vino. :-(`
`22:41.19`	`jeward`	`Urg.`
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`22:46.44`	`jeward`	`x11vnc to the rescue!`
`22:47.16`	`jeward`	`dkr: netdot`
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`22:51.30`	`karsten`	`abrotman: Sorta like Jesus.`
`22:52.00`	`tharkun`	`Iran: it should be on your $HOME`
`22:52.54`	`karsten`	`OT: what's a good channel to discuss issues related to large site ops?`
`22:53.14`	`karsten`	`(public-facing multi-tiered website, in this case). General stuff, not distro/tool specific.`
`22:53.27`	`abrotman`	`who?`
`22:53.51`	`abrotman`	`jeward: it might help if you /msg dpkg .xsession or .xinitrc`
`22:54.07`	`karsten`	`dkr: I'm lead to believe there are, but don't know of any. Google is your friend/girlfriend.`
`22:54.24`	`jeward`	`abrotman: Getting there...`
`22:55.05`	`dkr`	`karsten: came across this perl script that is quite nifty http://sourceforge.net/projects/iptview/`
`22:55.07`	`jeward`	`dkr: https://netdot.uoregon.edu/trac/`
`22:55.13`	`dkr`	`jeward: thanks`
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`22:56.41`	`tharkun`	`dkr: apt-cache show lanmap`
`22:57.29`	`karsten`	`dkr: I'm not sure that's what you asked for, but sounds interesting.`
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`22:59.59`	`tharkun`	`msg judd versions samba`
`23:00.33`	`Sm0ke0ut`	`You're missing a backslash`
`23:01.00`	`tharkun`	`Sm0ke0ut: :-) faulty 7`
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`23:03.11`	`qq-`	`, versions samba`
`23:03.13`	`judd`	`samba -- etch: 3.0.24-6etch10; etch-security: 3.0.24-6etch10; etch-backports: 2:3.2.5-4~bpo41+1; lenny: 2:3.2.5-4lenny8; lenny-security: 2:3.2.5-4lenny12; lenny-backports: 2:3.4.8~dfsg-1~bpo50+1; sid: 2:3.4.8~dfsg-1; squeeze: 2:3.4.8~dfsg-1; experimental: 2:3.5.3~dfsg-1`
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`23:07.40`	`tharkun`	`Should i expect trouble when joining Windows 7 machines to samba lenny: 2:3.2.5-4lenny8 ? Since the 3.5.4 version of Samba is the official stable release.`
`23:08.15`	`abrotman`	`tharkun: just joining? or also using shares?`
`23:08.37`	`tharkun`	`joining, using shares and all the crap you can imagine from a windows server`
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`23:08.51`	`abrotman`	`windows 7 isn't a server edition`
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`23:09.26`	`tharkun`	`<background> drop in replacement for a windows 2000 server on a debian box </background>`
`23:09.27`	`abrotman`	`windows7 changed a bunch of stuff .. google has more than enough hints on how to make it work`
`23:09.50`	`karsten`	`tharkun: Try #samba`
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`23:10.01`	`tharkun`	`karsten: thx`
`23:10.16`	`karsten`	`tharkun: And I'm guessing that's something covered in the FAQ.`
`23:10.28`	`themill`	`tharkun: samba's website has plenty of information and you'll notice that judd showed a backports package too`
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`23:11.42`	`tharkun`	`karsten: thx i am on the samba website, they revamped it so a few things aren't where they used to be :-)`
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`23:12.29`	`tharkun`	`themill: thx i did noticed it but well backports it is not entirely "oficial" so it makes me be a little hesitant to use it`
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`23:23.10`	`karsten`	`tharkun: I haven't messed with it heavily for about 5-7 years myself.`
`23:23.37`	`roe`	`tharkun, give samba4 a go`
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`23:25.55`	`Sneex`	`Can I make a Debian LiveCD but have it housed on a USB Key?`
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`23:26.25`	`Sneex`	`i want the start up fucntionalty of the regular LiveCD without the r/o part :)`
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`23:26.52`	`karsten`	`Sneex: If you grind it up sufficinetly well, probably.`
`23:27.02`	`karsten`	`Sneex: Yes, you can make a bootable USB key ;-)`
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`23:27.14`	`roe`	`http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLive/Howto/USB`
`23:27.39`	`Sneex`	`karsten: I did, sort of but it doesn't boot after - I am thinking the ProLiant BIOS is lying about the drive arrangement`
`23:27.59`	`tharkun`	`roe: I've heard about it, is it stable enough to have it on a production server?`
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`23:28.34`	`roe`	`no clue, you tell me :)`
`23:28.48`	`eli_`	`guys can someone explain what screen is or any good link which explains it? I know it's for remote administration`
`23:28.57`	`Sneex`	`roe; I used that link already thanks :)`
`23:29.14`	`roe`	`eli_, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Screen`
`23:29.14`	`tharkun`	`!confuse roe`
`23:29.14`	`dpkg`	`No, what is your weasel yesterday, roe? Pants of the Democracy of Liechtenstein with extra herring.`
`23:29.28`	`eli_`	`and another question does debian come with a built in firewall? and if it does, do it have any restrictions on it?`
`23:29.41`	`roe`	`!iptables`
`23:29.41`	`dpkg`	`[iptables] The user-space process used to administer iptables kernel parts on top of netfilter, or ask me about <netfilter docs>, or at http://netfilter.org/ or http://lartc.org/.(check it out because iptables (2.4.x) has some security holes) See also: <masq>, or try #iptables (irc.freenode.net) for help, or for a proper Debian-way of setting up iptables, please read http://wiki.debian.org/iptables`
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`23:30.30`	`qq-`	`eli_, no , and no`
`23:31.12`	`eli_`	`ok thanks for the answers guys`
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`23:31.45`	`eli_`	`I'll head on for reading that screen link`
`23:31.57`	`qq-`	`!tell eli_ about screen`
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`23:36.08`	`tharkun`	`eli_: After you are familiar with netfilter and iptables, take a look at this : http://jengelh.medozas.de/documents/Perfect_Ruleset.pdf`
`23:36.22`	`shazbotmcnasty`	`does anyone know what codecs I need to make mod and xm files play in moc?`
`23:36.44`	`Sm0ke0ut`	`Hmm. nice manual`
`23:36.45`	`shazbotmcnasty`	`it's moc 2.5.0-alpha4`
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`23:36.48`	`Sm0ke0ut`	`I'll save that one as well`
`23:37.21`	`shazbotmcnasty`	`I can't find anything with google`
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`23:37.28`	`shazbotmcnasty`	`I need to upgrade my google-fu`
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`23:37.50`	`shazbotmcnasty`	`or maybe I've just had some really obscure problems lately`
`23:38.05`	`shazbotmcnasty`	`obscure :o`
`23:38.21`	`tharkun`	`!patience`
`23:38.21`	`dpkg`	`The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available.`
`23:38.35`	`shazbotmcnasty`	`also where could I get the source code for dpkg`
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`23:39.02`	`shazbotmcnasty`	`the bot`
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`23:40.18`	`Sneex`	`:-D`
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`23:43.22`	`Tramp`	`shazbotmcnasty: /msg dpkg blootbot (or infobot)`
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`23:44.55`	`TJ_ADOG`	`ok I downloaded the DEBIAN 5 - amd64 iso cd... booted, works, but I need to also have the compiles tools for make ... like gcc probably`
`23:44.57`	`TJ_ADOG`	`where can I get that?`
`23:45.28`	`qq-`	`!b--e`
`23:45.30`	`qq-`	`!b-e`
`23:45.30`	`dpkg`	`build-essential is probably a package designed to help you create executables and build Debian packages. If you get errors saying gcc cannot create executables or can't find header files like stdio.h, you need to "aptitude install build-essential". If you don't plan to compile things, you don't need this package. Ask me about <qotd49>.`
`23:46.14`	`TJ_ADOG`	`ok so this is silly.. but i dont have an internet connection for that live iso yet`
`23:46.28`	`TJ_ADOG`	`so is there like a packge I can download, put on usb stick, and install offline?`
`23:46.32`	`tharkun`	`!tell TJ_ADOG about apt-zip`
`23:47.15`	`shazbotmcnasty`	`thanks Tramp`
`23:47.28`	`Tramp`	`yw`
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`23:48.02`	`TJ_ADOG`	`ok thats great... but I am on a windows machine right now... not surw what "aptitude" is/means ?`
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`23:48.23`	`Sneex`	`ouch`
`23:48.37`	`karsten`	`!tell TJ_ADOG about aptitude`
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`23:49.02`	`karsten`	`TJ_ADOG: It's the command-line interface to Debian's package management system, APT.`
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`23:50.01`	`TJ_ADOG`	`karsten: ok thanks, so is it possible for me to do this apt-zip from a windows machine? I have mostly used red hat based linux systems so I am kind of used to just download a .rpm and installing it offline`
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`23:50.53`	`tharkun`	`TJ_ADOG: you can also download the .deb file and install it using dpkg -i file.deb but apt-zip is usually more convenient since it will also download dependencies`
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`23:51.44`	`TJ_ADOG`	`tharkun: ok so .deb is similar to .rpm ? I understand apt is probably likle yum somehow... but I guess my question is, I dont have a debian system here to do the initial apt-zip install and want to know if I can somehow make that via a windows machine?`
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`23:52.41`	`TJ_ADOG`	`I booted into the deb5 live iso... and it read my usb stick just fine so I know I can do that... just gotta figure out how to get the apt-zip "archive" onto that usb stick and then to boot back into live`
`23:53.00`	`shazbotmcnasty`	`TJ_ADOG: yes, kinda yeah, and uhmm.... no`
`23:53.38`	`TJ_ADOG`	`ok so then maybe there is a better way to do this.....`
`23:53.53`	`TJ_ADOG`	`unfortunately I dont have an internet connection via dsl, cablemodem, lan etc.`
`23:53.58`	`TJ_ADOG`	`I am using a wireless tether`
`23:54.16`	`TJ_ADOG`	`how would I go about setting up a connection from the debian iso?`
`23:54.20`	`TJ_ADOG`	`I need to dial #777`
`23:54.26`	`TJ_ADOG`	`so my wireless is like a "modem"`
`23:54.30`	`TJ_ADOG`	`if I can do that, then I can have internet access`
`23:54.32`	`tharkun`	`TJ_ADOG: download the .deb file directly from the debian website and istall it using dpkg -i`
`23:55.49`	`tharkun`	`when in debian do lspci -nn to get the pci id number and google it for the kernel module, or you can come back here with the pci number and ask for help to set it up`
`23:55.54`	`TJ_ADOG`	`tharkun: right so I probably want to look for build-essential for amd64 .deb file then? so I can get gcc etc.`
`23:57.15`	`tharkun`	`,depends build-essential --arch amd64`
`23:57.16`	`judd`	`build-essential -- depends: libc6-dev \| libc-dev, g++ (>= 4:4.3.1), make, dpkg-dev (>= 1.13.5).`
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`23:57.27`	`Sneex`	`http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=build-essential`
`23:57.55`	`tharkun`	`TJ_ADOG: if you do that manually you have to get also the other packages to install`
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`23:59.54`	`TJ_ADOG`	`ok... so I will try to download all those dependencies and build-essential now, put on my usb stick, then boot into debian 5 amd64 live.... and try the lspci thing to see if I can get my internet to work`

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