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| 00:01.29 | climber11 | how do i have a dhcp3 server listen on only 1 interface? |
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| 00:03.34 | dondelelcaro | climber11: by listing exactly one interface on the command line |
| 00:03.46 | dondelelcaro | climber11: there should be options in /etc/default/dhcpd3-server to do that |
| 00:04.03 | icebrain | anyone using the b43 drivers? They lock *the whole PC* when trying to connect to an ap |
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| 00:04.27 | icebrain | didn't happen with the proprietary drivers (wl) |
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| 00:04.59 | dondelelcaro | they work perfectly fine for me |
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| 00:10.19 | icebrain | dondelelcaro: do you have a Broadcom BCM43**? |
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| 00:11.18 | dvs | icebrain: don't even bother with the b43 drivers |
| 00:11.25 | rolandpish | Hi. I was able to connect to a Windows openvpn server from my Debian Lenny box. I can ping it and use its shared resources. The problem is that I cannot get my ip address assigned by openvpn. |
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| 00:12.31 | icebrain | dvs: they work fine, except for this bug |
| 00:12.55 | dvs | icebrain: they've never really worked for me. |
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| 00:13.33 | jordanm | rolandpish: try #openvpn |
| 00:13.41 | icebrain | dvs: I can connect to everything, but it's really annoying when the wifi connection drops and the whole laptop freezes for several seconds |
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| 00:13.50 | void9 | hi, i have a package that voilates policy and needs edit to control file. what command do i use to expand the package, edit the control file, and then remake it? |
| 00:14.35 | jordanm | void9: you have a package in the archives? |
| 00:15.20 | void9 | jordanm: yes, i have a .deb in a local archive. (it's from analpha release of VirtualGL) |
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| 00:15.53 | EtherNet | hello everyone, I need to move my partition on a hard drive from sector 63 to 64, or 2048 or a multiple of 8, could anyone help me to perform this? |
| 00:16.15 | jordanm | void9: you need the source package |
| 00:16.36 | void9 | jordanm: will check for availability... |
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| 00:17.15 | jordanm | void9: its 3 files, with the main being .dsc. use dpkg-source to unpack |
| 00:17.51 | void9 | jordanm: doesn't seem available. surely i can splay the deb i've got? |
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| 00:18.25 | themill | void9: what's wrong with the control file? |
| 00:20.02 | void9 | themill: uses caps, so in archive i need to specify it with its caps for apt-get to see it, but it installs with lowercase. this means i can't use either withcaps OR lowercase as dependency in my meta-package. |
| 00:20.46 | void9 | themill: VirtualGL vs virtualgl |
| 00:20.52 | themill | void9: in the package name? yuck. |
| 00:21.20 | void9 | themill: yes, exactly. lintian and reprepro scream about it, but there it is. |
| 00:21.34 | themill | !deb |
| 00:21.34 | dpkg | Debian .deb packages are a special form of <ar> archive which can be unpacked with "ar x pkg.deb". Inside the file control.tar.gz are conffiles, installation scripts, and a file "control" which contains the information shown with "apt-cache show pkg". Dependencies can be changed by editing this file. Install the dpkg-dev package and read "man 5 deb" for more details. A better plan is to see <package recompile> <source package> |
| 00:22.03 | void9 | themill: well, that's it. thanks! |
| 00:22.05 | karsten | EtherNet: ?? |
| 00:22.10 | karsten | EtherNet: gparted? |
| 00:22.12 | themill | void9: ^^ so you can have a fiddle like that. You should take a cluebat to the person who made it though |
| 00:22.17 | karsten | EtherNet: Your question's not clear. |
| 00:23.11 | void9 | themill: already working. thanks again. |
| 00:23.18 | themill | np |
| 00:23.45 | EtherNet | karsten, let's go again, I've bought a new hard drive (1.5 Western Digital Green Caviar) which is no 512 sector instead 1024, so in order to get performance partitions must be aligned to multiple of 8 regarding sectors, by default gparted created it in sector 63 as usual and old hard drives required. Now I have to move it to sector 64, or a multiple like 2048, I can't find such option in gparted to specify sectors but megabytes |
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| 00:25.31 | Tramp | EtherNet: Out of curiosity: A drive that uses /not/ 512b as sector-size? What's the exact model (or do you have a link to the data-sheet)? |
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| 00:26.22 | EtherNet | Tramp, https://www.westerndigital.com/en/products/products.asp?DriveID=773 |
| 00:26.44 | EtherNet | that's the hard disk, we should look for the specific datasheet to show you the sector-size |
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| 00:29.03 | Tramp | afaik all drives use sectors of 512b and just recently manufacturers are discussing to use 4k |
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| 00:29.11 | EtherNet | it's already implemented |
| 00:29.13 | Tramp | but never 1k, afaik. |
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| 00:29.32 | EtherNet | Tramp, check this out http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1407744 |
| 00:29.38 | EtherNet | my mistake, it should be 4k not 1k |
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| 00:29.48 | EtherNet | first sector should be 2048 for e.g. |
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| 00:29.52 | EtherNet | and it would be aligned. |
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| 00:30.10 | Tramp | yeah. 4k makes more sense then. So this is actually brand new stuff ... |
| 00:30.17 | EtherNet | Tramp, yeah! |
| 00:30.22 | EtherNet | Tramp, I don't know why I've said 1k |
| 00:30.30 | Tramp | np. |
| 00:31.10 | EtherNet | Tramp, so.. no idea how to move it without losing data, right? |
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| 00:31.19 | Tramp | nope |
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| 00:31.55 | void9 | EtherNet: get another disk and rsync the data |
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| 00:32.07 | EtherNet | I'm stuck with this.. it works no problem, but people and reviews say that it works slower... noticeable slower |
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| 00:48.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | EtherNet, did you try gparted? Not sure you can move that small units, but it's probably one point to start googling |
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| 00:48.52 | EtherNet | CutMeOwnThroat, yeah I've googled and I tried but it adds Megabytes instead of sectors... kinda difficult |
| 00:49.09 | EtherNet | it's already in sector 2111 starting and should be at 2048 I don't know how should I move it |
| 00:49.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's just a frontend, though |
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| 00:50.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | not _so_ difficult, though, because it has to adhere to sector-boundaries, anyway |
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| 00:51.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | *boing* |
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| 00:51.14 | EtherNet | CutMeOwnThroat, I should do the math but dunno how |
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| 00:52.05 | Tramp | CutMeOwnThroat: they emulate 512b sectors, so for the application it's not visible that they use a different sector-size |
| 00:52.10 | Tramp | EtherNet: See: http://gparted.sourceforge.net/news.php - apparently in gparted 0.6.0 the "added support for such disks" - not sure, what that means exactly |
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| 00:52.31 | Tramp | EtherNet: but maybe it means, that when you "move" something it matches the "real" block-size |
| 00:52.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, what filesystem is that? |
| 00:52.44 | EtherNet | oh.. I've 0.5.1 |
| 00:52.46 | EtherNet | ext4 |
| 00:52.48 | Tramp | or rather "respects" the real sector size |
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| 00:53.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tramp, I just meant they have to adhere to 512b limits if you use .X MiB |
| 00:53.52 | Tramp | ah, ic. |
| 00:54.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | so it shouldn't be _so_ hard to hit |
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| 00:55.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | it probably means that... as even cfdisk uses MB ... plain fdisk prints blocks |
| 00:55.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | abstraction gone wrong |
| 00:55.29 | Tramp | ... move by (7*1/2048)MB ... if it accepts fractions |
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| 00:55.42 | EtherNet | probably not... but what if I do the math before |
| 00:56.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | aww, there might be a solution in the ubuntu forums... I don't have a heart to read this |
| 00:56.49 | Tramp | 0.6 (from June 18th) is not even in sid |
| 00:57.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | "someone said" |
| 00:57.26 | EtherNet | Tramp, probably I should install that new one... but the thing is ... am I going to be able to fix it in an already made partition? |
| 00:57.51 | Tramp | honestly - not the slightest idea :) |
| 00:58.12 | EtherNet | I'm kinda lost .. |
| 00:58.22 | Tramp | I never moved or resized a partition in the last 22 years. |
| 00:58.30 | EtherNet | I've done that yesterday |
| 00:58.32 | EtherNet | with gparted |
| 00:58.40 | EtherNet | moved it by 1mb, I thought it was going to fix it |
| 00:58.59 | EtherNet | so it took 10 hours, no data loss.... but now it's in sector 2111 rather than 2048, originally it was at 63 |
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| 01:00.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | EtherNet, write a factoid on it when you figure it out... |
| 01:00.25 | foxtrot | is there a way I can, via CLI, mute/unmute my audio |
| 01:00.29 | foxtrot | it has to be the same command |
| 01:00.38 | foxtrot | so I can map my keyboards mute button to oit |
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| 01:00.49 | jordanm | foxtrot: you can use alsamixer |
| 01:01.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | he didn't want curses, though |
| 01:01.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | try "man amixer", though |
| 01:01.59 | foxtrot | i did\ |
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| 01:02.08 | foxtrot | it looks like mute and unmute would be different commands |
| 01:02.20 | foxtrot | vol-- is amixer -c 0 set Master playback 2dB- |
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| 01:03.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | "toggle" |
| 01:03.23 | foxtrot | what do ineed to add to sudoers to be able to sudo |
| 01:03.30 | foxtrot | CutMeOwnThroat, ? |
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| 01:04.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | set <SCONTROL> toggle |
| 01:04.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | i.e. amixer set Master toggle |
| 01:04.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's all in the man page! |
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| 01:17.54 | WhiteCrow1 | good morning |
| 01:17.58 | WhiteCrow1 | and |
| 01:18.01 | WhiteCrow1 | hi |
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| 01:19.31 | WhiteCrow1 | when i want do remote desktop on vnc server with GTK VNC viewer i see this errore You have been disconnected !!!!!! |
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| 01:20.13 | WhiteCrow1 | any one can explain me how can i connect to vnc server ? and what i must to do |
| 01:20.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | remote desktop and vnc are two different things |
| 01:20.40 | WhiteCrow1 | hmmmmmmmmm |
| 01:20.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | also |
| 01:20.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | !!!!!! |
| 01:20.51 | dpkg | i guess !!!!! is "And all those exclamation marks, you notice? Five? A sure sign of someone who wears his underpants on his head." -- Terry Pratchett, Maskerade |
| 01:21.00 | WhiteCrow1 | CutMeOwnThroat: i whatn remot desktop on vnc server |
| 01:21.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | one should never miss up on the opportunity for a Pratchett quote |
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| 01:22.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | you mean on one of those virtual x servers that vnc starts? |
| 01:22.52 | WhiteCrow1 | CutMeOwnThroat: yes i think so |
| 01:22.57 | WhiteCrow1 | i do |
| 01:23.12 | WhiteCrow1 | CutMeOwnThroat: i do it from labtop with krdc |
| 01:23.16 | WhiteCrow1 | CutMeOwnThroat: in kde |
| 01:23.29 | wonk | hi, is it possible to install a deb with apt for a specific user only without sudo? |
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| 01:23.31 | WhiteCrow1 | CutMeOwnThroat: but i cant do it form my pc on debian lenny |
| 01:24.05 | WhiteCrow1 | laptop* |
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| 01:24.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | I don't understand you |
| 01:24.35 | WhiteCrow1 | laptop=notebook sorry my EN is too bad |
| 01:24.36 | WhiteCrow1 | :D |
| 01:24.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | that part is not the one I have difficulties with |
| 01:24.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | what's your native language... |
| 01:24.54 | harovali | hi , I'm having a very weird problem with apt-get , something got broken in the package system , and I'd like to try to fix it somehow , but nothing I try works. For instance , please see http://paste.pocoo.org/show/229651/ |
| 01:25.09 | WhiteCrow1 | CutMeOwnThroat: persian |
| 01:25.13 | amos | hey guise, i downloaded and put debiancd1.iso onto a usb, i boot off the memory stick i see the debian logo, i go to install, it keeps asking me about a cdrom drive that i dont have (netbook) and cant work out how to continue the installation of debian? any ideas people? |
| 01:25.37 | harovali | I already tried apt-get clean && apt-get -f update |
| 01:25.44 | jordanm | amos: unetbootin? |
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| 01:26.03 | amos | even if u use unetbootin it does the same thing, debain wants to install cdrom drivers |
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| 01:26.25 | jordanm | amos: unetbootin is what usually has that issue |
| 01:26.27 | lompas | Hi there, I have a dell laptop running debian lenny and I have a strange problem with it. The fans won't turn off. Why? |
| 01:26.37 | harovali | any hint ? |
| 01:26.51 | jordanm | amos: had you tried the steps used in the install guide? |
| 01:26.54 | amos | ah ok well im not just using unetbootin, i also used the live linux cd creator that uses its own loader |
| 01:27.10 | lompas | When I had other distros it normally started at 55C and then wen't off at 45 C |
| 01:27.20 | jordanm | !tell amos about usb install |
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| 01:27.40 | amos | i know it would be no problems if i downloaded the debian live, but i dont have the bandwidth to redownload |
| 01:27.47 | WhiteCrow1 | Jordan can you help me please ? |
| 01:27.59 | jordanm | amos: debian live is not an installer |
| 01:28.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | duh... |
| 01:28.20 | amos | well the guides that i saw got it working through live |
| 01:28.22 | jordanm | WhiteCrow1: no idea |
| 01:28.27 | amos | no idea how with normal iso |
| 01:28.41 | WhiteCrow1 | Jordan okay thanks |
| 01:28.52 | Tramp | harovali: why not ask the channel for the distribution you're running? |
| 01:28.58 | jordanm | amos: dpkg should have sent you a link with the install guide section you need |
| 01:29.05 | lompas | Has anyone got any suggestions? |
| 01:29.30 | WhiteCrow1 | bye all |
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| 01:30.07 | jordanm | lompas: make sure you have the laptop task installed. tasksel install laptop |
| 01:30.10 | amos | yeah but the only problem is thats nix based, got anything for windows? dont have access to a nix system atm jordanm |
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| 01:30.37 | jordanm | amos: I believe that is in the factoid too, but I have not tested it |
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| 01:31.12 | lompas | jordanm, yes it is installed. |
| 01:31.53 | lompas | jordanm, wait a second, i think I am wrong |
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| 01:33.27 | lompas | jordanm, I did it, they are installed NOW. I have to reboot the system to apply changes? |
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| 01:34.40 | harovali | Tramp: I did , but no one says nothing else above apt-get clean && apt-get update |
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| 01:36.06 | harovali | Tramp: it must be the same that in debian |
| 01:36.12 | jordanm | lompas: reboots are usually only needed after kernel changes. the package installations should restart daemons as needed |
| 01:36.23 | harovali | Tramp: apt-get works or breaks the same in debian or ubuntu |
| 01:36.31 | jordanm | lompas: you may aslo want the "standard" task |
| 01:36.34 | jordanm | !standard |
| 01:36.34 | dpkg | methinks standard is when people write down their ideas, ignoring other (better) ideas and then argumenting that the other (better) ideas are bad since they are not standard. See <wifi> |
| 01:36.40 | jordanm | !standard task |
| 01:36.41 | dpkg | rumour has it, standard task is a "task" that should be installed on all machines during the installer stage. It installs packages that are important, required and standard (i.e. "aptitude install ~pstandard ~prequired ~pimportant"). For a list of packages see http://wiki.debian.org/tasksel . Also ask me about <tasksel>. |
| 01:36.53 | Tramp | harovali: distributions "based on debian" are not supported in #debian |
| 01:37.44 | wonk | so guys lets say i want to install the google-chrome deb for just one user and not system wide is this possible? |
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| 01:37.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell amos -about goodbye microsoft |
| 01:38.04 | jordanm | !tell harovali about ubuntu |
| 01:38.05 | harovali | Tramp: I'm not asking for support , just for useful knowledge |
| 01:39.54 | lompas | jordanm, Ok, thank you. So far the fans haven't stopped. I hope they do. |
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| 01:40.34 | lompas | jordanm, Also if a program doesn't work(xsensor) what do I need to do, contact the maintainer? |
| 01:40.36 | harovali | i hate when people ar not reasonable |
| 01:40.41 | harovali | thanks anyhow |
| 01:40.43 | harovali | ymmv |
| 01:40.48 | Tramp | yw |
| 01:40.58 | jordanm | lompas: what happens when you try to run it? |
| 01:41.23 | lompas | jordanm, it runs, shows me a window with the problem, but it's gray, it doesn't show me the temperatures. |
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| 01:41.44 | jordanm | ,depends xsensor |
| 01:41.45 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'xsensor' was found in lenny/i386. |
| 01:41.47 | jordanm | ,depends xsensors |
| 01:41.48 | judd | xsensors -- depends: libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.12.2), libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6), libcairo2 (>= 1.2.4), libfontconfig1 (>= 2.4.0), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.12.0), libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.8.0), libpango1.0-0 (>= 1.14.7), libsensors3 (>= 1:2.10.1), libx11-6, libxcursor1 (>> 1.1.2), libxext6, libxfixes3 (>= 1:4.0.1), libxi6, libxinerama1, libxrandr2, libxrender1, lm-sensors. |
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| 01:42.52 | jordanm | lompas: run sensors-detect as root and try it again |
| 01:43.11 | lompas | jordanm, Ok, I will do that right now. |
| 01:44.45 | wonk | ok then i got a different question, how do i get my usb drives to automount with a nice icon appearing on the kde desktop? |
| 01:45.33 | lompas | jordanm, Sadly still the same. |
| 01:46.03 | lompas | jordanm, I did sensors-detect as root, went through all the setup but when I try I still get a gray window and no temperatures. |
| 01:46.36 | jordanm | lompas: did sensors-detect detect anything? |
| 01:46.52 | lompas | jordanm, yes it did |
| 01:47.15 | jordanm | lompas: try "sensors" |
| 01:47.39 | lompas | jordanm, temp1: +47.5°C (crit = +105.0°C) |
| 01:48.02 | lompas | jordanm, and this means right now my laptop is + 47,5 C? |
| 01:48.34 | Backup | any here ever compiled wine from source on the aspire one d250? |
| 01:48.45 | Backup | im wondering how long it take. ive been at it for well over an hour |
| 01:49.17 | jordanm | lompas: I am not sure what temp1 is, but something is |
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| 01:49.38 | wonk | :( |
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| 01:51.33 | lompas | jordanm, Well I will keep an eye on this, so far my fans haven't stopped. Thanks for helping me out. |
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| 01:52.14 | qq- | jordanm, here i have /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/TZ00/temperature whit TZ00 and TZ01 may by |
| 01:52.30 | qq- | temp1 or so |
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| 02:06.50 | iu | hi, i'm having some trouble with pureftpd and fxp transfers. I can transfer to another server fine but transfers to my server get stuck at STOR. proftpd had the same problem. and yes, I had -w for pureftpd and AllowForeignAddress for proftpd. |
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| 02:08.14 | arrenlex | All of a sudden, I can't print anything on my hp printer. Can anyone help me troubleshoot this? |
| 02:08.53 | arrenlex | I'm running Debian testing. |
| 02:09.32 | Tramp | !debug cups |
| 02:09.33 | dpkg | To debug problems with <CUPS>: 'grep HINT /var/log/cups/error_log'. See also http://cups.org/articles.php?L198+TFAQ+Q |
| 02:09.41 | Tramp | in case nobody has a better clue |
| 02:10.04 | arrenlex | Tramp: Grepping for HINT returns nothing. |
| 02:11.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tramp, ha, didn't know that one.. I only know it's a pain |
| 02:11.22 | Tramp | yeah. That factoid was /my/ best clue. |
| 02:11.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 02:12.09 | Tramp | If I want to print something, I usually start with sacrificing a chicken and hope, it works the same way as it did last time |
| 02:12.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | "check if the printer is plugged in and has paper, switch the printer on and off [...]" |
| 02:12.47 | Tramp | and if it fails or if I change my printer I know I'm usually set for a day of work and frustration |
| 02:12.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | anyway, he said testing |
| 02:13.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | !btssmite arrenlex |
| 02:13.02 | dpkg | beats arrenlex around the head repeatedly with http://bugs.debian.org/ and apt-listbugs, along with a chainsaw if arrenlex is running testing or unstable |
| 02:13.40 | arrenlex | D [24/Jun/2010:20:12:08 -0600] Send-Document client-error-document-format-not-supported: Unsupported format 'application/vnd.cups-command'! |
| 02:13.43 | arrenlex | That look familiar to anyone? |
| 02:13.54 | Tramp | well ... I wonder .... how big is the chance actually that "problem with printing" is related to a bug? |
| 02:13.57 | arrenlex | There's a recent bug about the same issue but they said they fixed it by reinstalling gs-esp... didn't work |
| 02:14.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | Tramp, in testing? |
| 02:14.26 | Tramp | testing or anywhere |
| 02:14.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, a lot bigger than in stable? Specially if it's after a version change of some of the cups-packages |
| 02:16.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | application/vnd.cups-command sounds like something one should google and indeed is |
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| 02:16.37 | arrenlex | CutMeOwnThroat: It is indeed something I googled, and it landed me at ubuntu bugs from 2006. |
| 02:18.01 | iu | so no one has a clue about the fxp: / |
| 02:18.27 | iu | ?* |
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| 02:19.42 | qq- | !quftp |
| 02:19.42 | dpkg | i guess quftp is a command line ftp client that allows you to select a slew of files to upload and download. When gnufo is ready it transfers them one after the other. This is still in early development, but is planned to be a fully featured FTP/FxP client. or at http://www.dparrish.zeta.org.au/quftp.html |
| 02:19.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | how about that one, btw? (which is missing a lot of information) http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=585913 |
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| 02:20.24 | iu | i'm having trouble with the server, not the client |
| 02:20.42 | qq- | !fxp |
| 02:20.43 | dpkg | hmm... fxp is a program that uses FTP PASV mode to transfer between two FTP servers, ask about 'quftp' for software |
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| 02:27.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | what do you expect... it's an obscure-like protocol |
| 02:28.50 | qq- | ftp must die! |
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| 02:32.23 | Schmee | hi all. I have a hosted VPS running debian lenny, with a very minimal filesystem structure setup (pretty much everything on / mounted ext3) and I need to enable quotas. Unfortunately I can't repartition the server and the hosting provider won't do it becasue "it doesn't match their templates". Is there another way I can handle per-user/per-directory quotas? |
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| 02:37.11 | jpinx-eeepc | Schmee: start reading in users manual - there probably is but I don't know it |
| 02:37.18 | jpinx-eeepc | !users |
| 02:37.18 | dpkg | "Users and Groups in the Debian System": /usr/share/doc/base-passwd/users-and-groups.txt.gz |
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| 02:40.01 | Schmee | jpinx-eeepc: the users manual specifies setting quotas on a per filesystem basis, I have a single filesystem (badly set up vps from hosting company) using ext3, and enabling quotas on that could prove tricky, I was hoping for a way that wouldn't potentially cause problems for system directories (/usr /var /etc) |
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| 02:40.55 | jpinx-eeepc | Schmee: you could get really funky and make users filesystems exist within a looped file... |
| 02:41.25 | jpinx-eeepc | but don't quote me Schmee - I've never tried that ;) |
| 02:41.37 | Schmee | jpinx-eeepc: that may work. any suggestions for a filesystem on the loped device? |
| 02:42.03 | jpinx-eeepc | ext2 maybe to save the journallin space and overhead |
| 02:42.38 | Schmee | ok, that gives me somethign to work with. I think I wore out google searchign on generalities |
| 02:42.40 | jpinx-eeepc | you can make the users filesystem-in-a-file whatever size you like within you ownfs |
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| 02:43.09 | jpinx-eeepc | Schmee: I'll be interested t hear if it works ;) |
| 02:43.31 | jpinx-eeepc | Schmee: not sure about permissions - you need to be careful there |
| 02:43.33 | Schmee | my only hesitation is that this is a production system, breaking it may be embarassing |
| 02:44.32 | Schmee | this would be so much simpler on my opensolaris boxes with ZFS. (no this isn't a flame, this is a musing) |
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| 02:45.47 | jpinx-eeepc | Schmee: creating a fs ina file will not break your box |
| 02:46.22 | jpinx-eeepc | Schmee: so do a trial run with a dummy user first and see if you can break that nested fs - it will not bring your whole fs down |
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| 02:49.16 | TJ_ADOG | anyone know how I can tell what version 64bit a server is running? |
| 02:49.22 | TJ_ADOG | doing uname -ra gives me: Linux bulls 2.6.32.8-grsec-2.1.14-modsign-xeon-64 #2 SMP Sat Mar 13 00:42:43 PST 2010 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 02:49.33 | TJ_ADOG | is that IA64? it doesnt specifically say amd64 |
| 02:49.38 | TJ_ADOG | and this is on a debian 5 server |
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| 02:50.10 | chuck | Is it possible to install Debian onto the hard drive using Debian live? |
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| 02:50.57 | _qq- | TJ_ADOG, ubuntu style |
| 02:51.11 | _qq- | -xeon-64 |
| 02:51.16 | chuck | Or maybe a better question, how do I install debian using a usb drive? |
| 02:51.24 | TJ_ADOG | _qq: oh thats an ubunto server? it says Debian GNU/Linux 5.0 \n \l in /etc/issue |
| 02:51.29 | _qq- | !usb install |
| 02:51.29 | dpkg | Yes, it is possible to install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03 . To download USB stick images, ask me about <install debian>. https://launchpad.net/win32-image-writer/+download to prepare from Windows. BIOS can't boot from USB? Use http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html |
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| 02:52.55 | TJ_ADOG | _qq: is -xeon-64 diff. compared to amd64 or IA64? |
| 02:53.05 | _qq- | TJ_ADOG, http://www.junglejar.com/templates/demos/ipsumak/index.php |
| 02:53.18 | _qq- | amd64 |
| 02:53.23 | CompWizrd | TJ_ADOG: try looking at the end, just before GNU/Linux |
| 02:53.32 | CompWizrd | that one's amd64 |
| 02:54.22 | TJ_ADOG | CompWizard well it says x86_64 just before GNU/Linux |
| 02:54.47 | CompWizrd | uname -m helps as well |
| 02:55.07 | TJ_ADOG | yes that gives x86_64 |
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| 02:55.19 | TJ_ADOG | but is x86_64 same as amd64? |
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| 02:55.40 | _qq- | Y |
| 02:55.53 | CompWizrd | yes |
| 02:55.59 | CompWizrd | ia64 is the itanium ones |
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| 02:56.08 | _qq- | !ia64 |
| 02:56.08 | dpkg | [ia64] (Intel Architecture-64), a 64-bit processor architecture developed in cooperation by Intel and Hewlett-Packard, implemented by processors such as Itanium and Itanium 2. The goal of Itanium was to produce a "post-RISC era" arch using EPIC. See http://www.debian.org/ports/ia64/ -- if your CPU is opteron/athlon64/turion/sempron/xeon/em64t/pentium/core2duo/core*, then it is NOT ia64, it's <amd64>. |
| 02:56.24 | _qq- | dpkg, amd64 |
| 02:56.24 | dpkg | somebody said amd64 was the Debian architecture optimized for x86-64, aka AMD64. Consider using Debian i386 on x86-64 machines if you do not have a good reason to use Debian amd64. The amd64 architecture also supports running i386 Debian with either a -686 or -amd64 kernel. core2duo machines are amd64. See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel on OFTC and freenode. See also <why amd64>. |
| 02:57.02 | TJ_ADOG | thanks guys :) |
| 02:57.21 | pav5088 | How do I reconfigure xwindows in Debian? I'm used to doing things the old xorg.conf way, but there doesn't seem to be that file here... The problem seems to be that the nv driver is being loaded, but my old nv video card has died and I'm now using the onboard graphics. |
| 02:57.22 | rww | I'm using Debian Testing. How do I get GNOME to use gnome-shell by default? I think there's some gconf preference for it, but I can't for the life of me find it. |
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| 03:00.54 | _qq- | pav5088, vm /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.old , and restart x |
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| 03:02.33 | pav5088 | _qq-, I don't have such a file |
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| 03:03.35 | iceyp | hey guys, anyone here any good with iscsi and multipath? when my system boots it gets \_ 2:0:0:0 sdc 8:32 [active][ready] , however when I restart multipathd or open-iscsi I get the following \_ #:#:#:# - #:# [failed][faulty] |
| 03:03.41 | iceyp | and I cant get it to re-esablish |
| 03:04.11 | _qq- | pav5088, do you have X ? |
| 03:04.51 | _qq- | i meant a running X |
| 03:05.08 | pav5088 | _qq-, Yes, I have X... it was working fine, but now it's failing on startup due to a missing nouveau module... |
| 03:05.29 | pav5088 | I did have a nvidia card in the system, but no longer |
| 03:05.39 | pav5088 | This is Debian Squeeze btw |
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| 03:06.18 | _qq- | pav5088, xorg check your machine and use the right X driver, |
| 03:06.22 | lfs | My video card is not working right. |
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| 03:07.23 | lfs | It is out of scan range at high resolution and I got green splotches on pictures |
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| 03:09.10 | pav5088 | I manually removed the xorg nouveau driver and that must have reconfigured something because it seems to work now |
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| 03:10.03 | velos | i need to reduce the size of /lib by around 200mb. is there any automatic way to remove unneeded modules? or can i simply move all the libraries except for the kernel modules to another mount point? |
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| 03:11.37 | _qq- | all size of /lib is about 200mb ... |
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| 03:13.40 | JordiGH | Does every Debian package have debug symbols? I'm skeptical that "every" Ubuntu package does. |
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| 03:14.37 | velos | _qq-, that's only how much i need to move |
| 03:14.53 | velos | the total size is over 400 mbs |
| 03:15.41 | _qq- | JordiGH, diff apt-cache search name / apt-cache search name-dev |
| 03:15.41 | tavis | could somone give me a hand to formulate a command or simple shell script to add directory tree to all my user home directories and then chown the tree to the appropriate user? |
| 03:16.21 | rww | tavis: considering that #ubuntu is for Ubuntu users and #debian is for Debian users, you shouldn't be asking in at least one of those channels ;P |
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| 03:16.53 | _qq- | velos, its doable, but very risky , but why ? |
| 03:17.21 | JordiGH | tavis: "for i in /home/*; do mkdir $i/thedirectory; chown $i $i/thedirectory; chgrp $i $i/thedirectory; done", under some fairly mild assumptions |
| 03:17.48 | JordiGH | Assumptions that should hold by default in Debian. |
| 03:19.50 | velos | _qq-, i can't even update my kernel right now |
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| 03:19.58 | velos | and i don't have the option of resizing that partition |
| 03:20.02 | velos | the drive is completely full |
| 03:21.54 | _qq- | velos, here 67M/lib/ |
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| 03:22.46 | tavis | JordiGH: Thanks for the example. Can i use brace expansion lists? |
| 03:23.00 | JordiGH | tavis: Probably. |
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| 03:23.02 | tavis | with your example |
| 03:23.08 | JordiGH | tavis: Ask in #bash, though. |
| 03:23.10 | _qq- | velos, paste df -h > debian.paste.net |
| 03:23.36 | JordiGH | tavis: Do echo "..." first to see what commands you'll run before you run them. ;-) |
| 03:23.42 | lfs | Is there a way to find out if my card should work on Debian? |
| 03:24.01 | JordiGH | lfs: Other than trying it, no. Some things are documented. |
| 03:24.25 | lfs | So if it don't work right I'm stuck? |
| 03:24.36 | JordiGH | Maybe, maybe not. |
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| 03:25.24 | tavis | JordiGH: I assume i use your example to create a bash script. I don |
| 03:26.00 | tavis | *don't understand how the echo "..." comes into i though. |
| 03:26.44 | JordiGH | tavis: for i in /home/*; do echo "mkdir $i/thedirectory; chown $i $i/thedirectory; chgrp $i $i/thedirectory;" don |
| 03:26.48 | JordiGH | done |
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| 03:29.00 | tavis | JordiGH: do i just run that at the prompt or do i have to create a script file? |
| 03:29.15 | JordiGH | tavis: Just c&p it. |
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| 03:33.27 | tavis | JordiGH: i get chown: invalid user: `/home/tavis' |
| 03:33.27 | tavis | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:33.46 | JordiGH | Ah. |
| 03:33.57 | JordiGH | ${i%*}, I think. |
| 03:33.59 | JordiGH | Lemme try. |
| 03:34.20 | JordiGH | And you didn't try it first with echo. :-( |
| 03:34.42 | tavis | JordiGH: yes i ran with echo :) |
| 03:34.59 | velos | _qq-, k. just a sec. got distracted |
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| 03:36.20 | velos | _qq-, http://pastebin.com/hif0EteK |
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| 03:38.14 | JordiGH | tavis: for i in /home/*; do echo "$u = ${i#/home/*}; mkdir $i/thedirectory; chown $u $i/thedirectory; chgrp $u $i/thedirectory;" done |
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| 03:38.46 | tavis | JordiGH: ok one sec will try |
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| 03:40.18 | tavis | JordiGH: i just end up with a > like it is an incomple command somehow |
| 03:40.19 | _qq- | velos, thats way too low for root partition "487M 486M 448K 100% / " |
| 03:41.03 | simonrvn | why not use chown $u:$u ? |
| 03:41.18 | simonrvn | cut one process out, there |
| 03:41.38 | velos | _qq-, it'd always sufficed for me in the past, which is why i left it so low |
| 03:42.38 | JordiGH | tavis: for i in /home/* ; do u=${i#/home/*}; echo "mkdir $i/thedirectory; chown $u:$u $i/thedirectory; "; done |
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| 03:43.07 | _qq- | velos, normal i use 5-6 GB for / , and the rest for /home .. |
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| 03:43.29 | velos | fml |
| 03:43.41 | velos | i reckon i'll HAVE to resize the damn thing |
| 03:44.23 | _qq- | and using 174G 109G 66G 63% /usr is wrong .. |
| 03:44.34 | tavis | JordiGH: great that works in test .. let me see if i can add my brace expansion lists |
| 03:45.34 | velos | _qq-, not when i'm running multiple virtual machines |
| 03:45.51 | velos | i keep the hard disk images there |
| 03:45.58 | _qq- | velos, if you have/needs some extra VM use /srv for |
| 03:46.53 | _qq- | !hfs |
| 03:46.53 | dpkg | HFS is the Hierarchial File System (aka Mac OS Standard) from Apple Computer, the default filesystem on Mac OS (prior to Mac OS X). <MBR> partition ID: 0xAF. The Linux hfs filesystem driver can read/write HFS filesystems, tools are in the hfsutils package. <parted> can resize HFS (shrink only) provided the start of the partition stays fixed. See also <hfsplus>. |
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| 03:48.50 | _qq- | !fsh |
| 03:48.50 | dpkg | Debian follows the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard. The filesystem is categorized by purpose, not application. This allows, for example, the easy and efficient deployment of a read-only /usr area across a number of thin clients. See http://www.pathname.com/fhs/ or install the 'debian-policy' package (/usr/share/doc/debian-policy/fhs/*), or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard |
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| 03:49.36 | _qq- | velos, see fsh |
| 03:50.37 | simonrvn | !fhs |
| 03:50.38 | dpkg | Debian follows the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard. The filesystem is categorized by purpose, not application. This allows, for example, the easy and efficient deployment of a read-only /usr area across a number of thin clients. See http://www.pathname.com/fhs/ or install the 'debian-policy' package (/usr/share/doc/debian-policy/fhs/*), or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard |
| 03:50.41 | simonrvn | ;p |
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| 03:51.37 | _qq- | yea same .. |
| 03:51.40 | velos | can a 2.6.32 kernel handle me resizing my swap and / on the fly? |
| 03:52.09 | velos | not using resize_reiserfs, but actively modifying the partition sizes so i can use resize_reiserfs |
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| 03:56.57 | _qq- | velos, ... on the fly? i guess no , backup your data end try a cd live system |
| 03:58.21 | velos | FML |
| 03:58.42 | velos | fuck it |
| 03:58.45 | _qq- | s/end/ and |
| 03:58.50 | velos | i'll back the shit up and do it anyways |
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| 03:59.39 | _qq- | or better, do a proper install |
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| 04:02.23 | velos | _qq-, this way will work fine |
| 04:02.32 | velos | whether or not i have to use a livecd |
| 04:02.34 | simonrvn | !test |
| 04:02.34 | dpkg | Test failed. |
| 04:02.44 | velos | there is nothing wrong with the install, simply the FS sizes |
| 04:03.26 | _qq- | and partition scheme |
| 04:04.42 | velos | i concede that i made my root too small |
| 04:04.46 | fruitwerks | how can exclude a few folders from this? find / -exec ls -land {} \; |
| 04:04.51 | velos | i'm used to NetBSD where /lib is 10mb |
| 04:05.07 | velos | there is no reason to say the rest of it is unsound |
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| 04:05.27 | velos | simply because you don't agree with it |
| 04:05.28 | fruitwerks | I remember when a 20mb HD was $400 |
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| 04:07.40 | _qq- | velos, using data (VM) and usr/ on same partition is not a good idea |
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| 04:08.56 | velos | _qq-, it's a home server, it's 10 years old, it has one failed drive out of 12 in the array, and i'm broke. having data and binaries together like that doesn't bother me. |
| 04:09.11 | velos | i appologize for being recalcitrant, and somewhat of an ass, and i thank you for your help |
| 04:09.15 | velos | i've got to get some sleep |
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| 04:09.18 | Rusty1 | reads http://www.ntlug.org/Articles/LVM and heads to bed |
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| 04:10.00 | _qq- | velos, cool |
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| 04:14.58 | SerajewelKS | is there a debian tool to query and set the status of hp webcam "low light boost" settings? |
| 04:15.09 | SerajewelKS | it appears to be severely reducing the capture framerate |
| 04:16.07 | iceroot | why is there a difference if login in directly with root or using su? seems like my .bashrc is not read when using su (bach-autocomplete is not working which is enabled in my .bashrc) |
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| 04:16.51 | iceroot | as extr info: i am calling su inside a screen-session if that matters |
| 04:17.07 | SerajewelKS | iceroot: are you using "su" or "su -" |
| 04:17.13 | iceroot | SerajewelKS: su |
| 04:17.20 | SerajewelKS | iceroot: the former does not spawn a login shell. (this is documented. "man su".) |
| 04:17.39 | \k | su or sudo have different behaviors about keeping the current environment or starting a new (from the new user) |
| 04:17.51 | \k | you should read both man pages, they have options about it |
| 04:18.28 | iceroot | yes, thanks |
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| 04:23.29 | tavis | JordiGH: thanks again... your script worked with my changes after i removed the "" |
| 04:23.53 | tavis | JordiGH: you saved me hours. I really appreciate it! |
| 04:24.02 | JordiGH | Huh. |
| 04:24.06 | JordiGH | It's just a silly script. |
| 04:24.14 | JordiGH | No need to be so thankful. |
| 04:24.17 | JordiGH | But you're welcome. |
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| 04:24.50 | JordiGH | needs to sleep, bye. |
| 04:25.43 | nsadmin2 | So I'm reading the docs on gparted, and it says I can resize ntfs partitions with it,,, but when I try it, it (a) says "unknown" and (b) greys out "resize/move" for that partition.... what gives? |
| 04:26.18 | SerajewelKS | urg stupid webcam |
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| 04:28.54 | nsadmin2 | why is this happening? what are the possibilities? |
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| 04:39.25 | jmarsden | nsadmin2: NTFS partition is not really NTFS/is a version of NTFS not recognized by gparted/has a type byte not recognized by gparted as being NTFS ? |
| 04:40.03 | nsadmin2 | I guess that's possible.... let's see... |
| 04:42.45 | nsadmin2 | it says: unable to read the contents of this filesystem, therefore some operations will be unavailable |
| 04:43.05 | nsadmin2 | do I perhaps need ntfs modules? |
| 04:43.39 | nsadmin2 | my uname -r is... |
| 04:44.02 | nsadmin2 | 2.6.32-bpo.4-686 |
| 04:44.10 | nsadmin2 | and I'm running lenny |
| 04:44.14 | sweetpi | maybe ntfs-3g needs installed? not sure |
| 04:44.53 | nsadmin2 | is that userland or kernel modules? |
| 04:45.01 | nsadmin2 | maybe. |
| 04:45.03 | sweetpi | or ntfsprogs... that is what provides resize |
| 04:45.46 | sweetpi | ntfs-3g is a fuse driver |
| 04:45.59 | nsadmin2 | fuse driver? |
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| 04:46.23 | sweetpi | i think ntfsprogs should add the resize support |
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| 04:46.46 | nsadmin2 | anyway, it's installed now, and I'll install that in a sec |
| 04:51.22 | nsadmin2 | interesting... installing 3g enabled me to mount it and when it is mounted it shows the lock icon... when it's not, "get info" says "can't read partition so some operations not available" |
| 04:51.48 | nsadmin2 | now let's try ntfsprogs... |
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| 04:52.49 | sweetpi | i seem to remember it locking it when it needs checked(hard shutdown) |
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| 04:53.54 | nsadmin2 | that worked :) |
| 04:54.34 | nsadmin2 | the docs say something about that too, had to check the partition |
| 04:54.53 | nsadmin2 | if it's the boot partition |
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| 04:56.55 | Schmee | jpinx-eeepc: Thanks for the pointer in the right direction earlier. I set up the loop device using the available space and set quotas on that. Now to stress test it before putting it into actual production. |
| 04:59.55 | nsadmin2 | installing ntfsprogs was the ticket |
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| 05:24.56 | kaeser_ntbk | I want enable html5 youtube support |
| 05:25.07 | kaeser_ntbk | youtube says I need webm |
| 05:25.23 | kaeser_ntbk | with this vp8 codec |
| 05:25.28 | kaeser_ntbk | how do I do that? |
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| 05:27.26 | sweetpi | kaeser_ntbk: think you need nightly builds of firefox or chrome |
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| 05:32.27 | kaeser_ntbk | this build looks fast sweetpi |
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| 05:34.52 | kaeser_ntbk | faster than the normal build |
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| 05:35.41 | sweetpi | well thats a good thing :) |
| 05:36.09 | kaeser_ntbk | can't find a video that is supported |
| 05:36.11 | kaeser_ntbk | damn |
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| 05:49.26 | tk8_ | bugghahd |
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| 05:54.40 | craigevil | or the opera beta |
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| 05:56.39 | k|\t | dylanJ: true |
| 05:57.23 | sepult | i don't know why but opera is fast |
| 05:57.26 | sepult | very fast |
| 05:57.38 | sepult | even on my virtualbox it is fast |
| 05:57.45 | extor | I'm so sick of these $5/month VPS customers and their emergencies. "Oh I found a script which can convert cpanel backups to da can you install a VPS for me so I can try it out". No, I'm not going to do the fail tango with you. |
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| 06:08.08 | chasing`Sol | how do i know the default ethernet device? |
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| 06:09.11 | sepult | it's eth0 |
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| 06:09.32 | chasing`Sol | eth0 is firewire, and it's disconnected |
| 06:10.01 | jhujhiti | chasing`Sol: ip route show 0.0.0.0/0 |
| 06:10.31 | chasing`Sol | the interface with the default route is the default interface then, rite? |
| 06:10.40 | sepult | 0.0.0.0 is all interfaces and /0 is the first one ? |
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| 06:11.11 | jhujhiti | 0.0.0.0/0 is the default route |
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| 06:11.36 | chasing`Sol | it's eth3 |
| 06:11.41 | jhujhiti | chasing`Sol: "default interface" doesn't make sense |
| 06:11.47 | jhujhiti | you mean default route |
| 06:11.54 | jhujhiti | rather, interface with a default route |
| 06:12.23 | sepult | can the deafult route not be assigned to multiple interfaces ? |
| 06:12.41 | chasing`Sol | well, here is the problem, i have eth1 and eth2 bonded to the LAN switch, and eth3 is the one connected to the WAN switch |
| 06:12.45 | jhujhiti | well, yes, but it wouldn't be "the" default route in that case |
| 06:12.48 | jhujhiti | ;) |
| 06:12.57 | sepult | ok |
| 06:13.34 | chasing`Sol | and i am trying to get xen working, but when i set the bridge interface to bond0, the machine disconnects |
| 06:14.10 | chasing`Sol | a quote from xen-config.sxp... |
| 06:14.11 | chasing`Sol | # Your default ethernet device is used as the outgoing interface, by default. |
| 06:14.43 | sepult | yes but you put a bridge under a bond |
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| 06:15.07 | sepult | it's the same as putting multiple interfaces at once to the bond |
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| 06:15.48 | jhujhiti | chasing`Sol: http://wiki.xensource.com/xenwiki/XenNetworking |
| 06:15.51 | chasing`Sol | how do i make xen use the bond |
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| 06:16.30 | jhujhiti | chasing`Sol: by the way, i would strongly recommend not attaching your dom0 to a wan link |
| 06:16.49 | chasing`Sol | that's why i want to attach it to the bond |
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| 06:17.02 | chasing`Sol | jhujhiti, that's what i have been reading for 2 hours |
| 06:17.09 | MNZ | I just installed and ran gnome-shell and I would like to make it the default window-manager. I tried using fusion-icon but it doesn't recognize it, and it's not in the sessions list during login... so how do I make it default? |
| 06:17.29 | chasing`Sol | when it came to the bonding section, they just drew the map, and didn't say anything further |
| 06:17.31 | jhujhiti | i think in xen's case, "default interface" means the interface it wants to attach virtual NICs to. you must be able to change it in the DomU configuration, no? |
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| 06:18.20 | chasing`Sol | when i do (network-script 'network-bridge netdev=bond0') in xend-config.sxp, the box's network totally breaks |
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| 06:19.33 | jhujhiti | what does ifconfig look like when it's broken? |
| 06:20.37 | streuner | heh |
| 06:21.13 | chasing`Sol | it's the same, i can access the machine, and the machine itself can access the internet, but no one from the LAN can access the internet |
| 06:21.22 | chasing`Sol | and the bond is down |
| 06:21.53 | jhujhiti | you can access the machine how? |
| 06:22.34 | chasing`Sol | ssh |
| 06:22.37 | jhujhiti | i think the xen startup should be creating a bridge device on top of the bond, so ifconfig shouldn't look the same. i think. |
| 06:22.45 | jhujhiti | so it's just routing that's broken. |
| 06:22.57 | chasing`Sol | i didn't think of this |
| 06:23.10 | chasing`Sol | if i tried now, i may be disconnected =D |
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| 06:23.16 | jhujhiti | is the new xenbr interface configured to forward packets? |
| 06:23.31 | chasing`Sol | how do i know that? |
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| 06:23.54 | jhujhiti | you set up forwarding once, didn't you? =) |
| 06:23.59 | chasing`Sol | yea |
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| 06:24.14 | chasing`Sol | i thought it requires something additional |
| 06:24.50 | jhujhiti | it's sysctl net.ipv4.ip_forward and then net.ipv4.conf.$IF.forwarding |
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| 06:25.35 | jhujhiti | net.ipv4.conf.{all,default}.ip_forwarding change the setting for all interfaces and the default for new interfaces, respectively |
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| 06:26.25 | chasing`Sol | hopes he doesn't get disconnected |
| 06:26.35 | chasing`Sol | ty jhujhiti |
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| 06:33.03 | chasing`Sol | bond0 broke |
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| 06:33.20 | chasing`Sol | i now see bond0 and eth1 and eth2 are down |
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| 06:34.21 | jhujhiti | ... that couldn't possibly have happened just from changing ip_forward |
| 06:34.36 | chasing`Sol | no, ip_forward is 1 |
| 06:34.53 | rozie | is 1 or in the config is 1? |
| 06:35.04 | rozie | (how do you check) |
| 06:35.15 | jhujhiti | sysctl or /proc |
| 06:35.24 | chasing`Sol | more /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 06:35.38 | rozie | OK, it's 1 then |
| 06:35.41 | jhujhiti | chasing`Sol: did you check the interface-specific ones though? |
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| 06:37.05 | chasing`Sol | yeah, they are all 1s |
| 06:37.39 | jhujhiti | what's the output from ip route |
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| 06:39.30 | chasing`Sol | when i try to restart the network, i get "illegal operation, the specified interface bond0 is not a master, aborting" |
| 06:39.38 | chasing`Sol | the route is the same before the network breaks |
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| 06:39.59 | jhujhiti | well, the routes should change |
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| 06:40.23 | Coweater | is there a history of packages entering testing somewhere online? |
| 06:40.32 | jhujhiti | because when xenbr comes up, they ought to migrate from bond0 to xenbr along with the ip address (the IP address does move, doesn't it?) |
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| 06:41.34 | chasing`Sol | seems so, i am checking that |
| 06:41.54 | Coweater | i saw some synth software go in within the last couple weeks but i forgot it's name |
| 06:42.04 | chasing`Sol | i have xenbr3 and pbond0 |
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| 06:43.50 | jhujhiti | chasing`Sol: i assume you've already tried something like this: http://etbe.coker.com.au/2007/08/14/ethernet-bonding-and-a-xen-bridge/ |
| 06:44.16 | jhujhiti | chasing`Sol: i don't know anything about xen and i'm afraid i'm going to lead you in the wrong direction. plus, i'm falling asleep. |
| 06:44.19 | jhujhiti | chasing`Sol: good luck |
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| 06:57.33 | _L30_ | how do i install a tgz file? |
| 06:58.57 | sepult | tar zxvf bla.tgz |
| 06:59.13 | _L30_ | that just creates |
| 06:59.17 | _L30_ | extracts* |
| 06:59.25 | _L30_ | i mean how install it |
| 06:59.44 | sepult | install -m 01777 blah something i think |
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| 06:59.47 | sepult | man install |
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| 08:22.54 | ikanobori | When I try to create a new terminal in GNU screen I get a permission denied on /dev/ttyp5 and /dev/ttyp6, if I create three in fast succession it ends up with /dev/ttyp7 and all works fine. |
| 08:23.05 | ikanobori | I have tried setting the permissions on that device but it keeps bouncing back. |
| 08:23.20 | ikanobori | I am running on testing, is this a known bug or is there something else I could look at? |
| 08:23.55 | lindi- | ikanobori: uname -r? |
| 08:24.18 | lindi- | ikanobori: grep pts /proc/mounts? |
| 08:24.49 | ikanobori | One moment, let me pastebin those. |
| 08:25.00 | ikanobori | 2.6.24-24-xen |
| 08:25.14 | ikanobori | And grep pts on /proc/mounts is empty. |
| 08:25.49 | ikanobori | Now, if there is anything pointing to a broken kernel please say so because it wouldn't be the first time this vps provider borked something in it. |
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| 08:27.15 | lindi- | ikanobori: that's your problem. you should have the devpts filesystem mounted |
| 08:27.25 | lindi- | ikanobori: is 2.6.24 supported by testing? |
| 08:28.01 | ikanobori | E.g: lots of time drift, tcpdump and iftop not working because of corrupted kernel frames etc. |
| 08:28.04 | ikanobori | Let me check that. |
| 08:28.14 | lindi- | ikanobori: afaik at least udev depends a newer kernel |
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| 08:29.24 | ikanobori | Yes, it's being held back which might not have been the smartest choice. |
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| 08:30.22 | lindi- | ikanobori: yep |
| 08:30.31 | lindi- | ikanobori: why are you running testing btw? |
| 08:31.43 | ikanobori | Legacy decision and it's just a vps which has (sadly) grown to do a bit much for being on testing. |
| 08:32.03 | lindi- | legacy decision to run testing? what? ;) |
| 08:32.15 | ikanobori | I didn't use Debian for that long when I switchted to testing ;-) |
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| 08:32.23 | ikanobori | I'm more of a FreeBSD-user. |
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| 08:33.18 | lindi- | ikanobori: you should take this to your hosting provider. I would imagine that they only support some kernels |
| 08:34.04 | ikanobori | All I get from them is that I should migrate to their new KVM platform where I can do kernel upgrades myself (apparently), sadly, I already migrated twice the previous year so I wasn't feeling like it. Maybe now is the time though, and stick with stable then :-) |
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| 08:35.01 | ikanobori | Starting with a clean slate is sometimes nice as well. |
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| 09:02.00 | sidh | Greetings everybody |
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| 09:03.51 | sidh | I realized the debian installer of the squeeze ISO is quite buggy at the partition creation steps, so i decided to partition the hddfrom another linux machine , but as I 'd rather use XFS, does squeeze would boot on XFS ? (I ask because I know it won't on ReiserFS) |
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| 09:05.32 | fireba11 | grub 0.x can't boot directly from xfs. you'll need a boot partition |
| 09:05.44 | fireba11 | or use grub 2 |
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| 09:06.44 | jelly-home | sidh: there's nothing wrong with using a small /boot partition with a safe fs if you're unsure about the boot process |
| 09:07.46 | sidh | jelly-home: so you mean to have an ext3 /boot for exemple ? |
| 09:07.50 | jelly-home | yes |
| 09:08.28 | sidh | ok why not after all |
| 09:08.58 | sidh | thanks for the advice |
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| 09:17.51 | boon | what should i install to fix this : /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lglut |
| 09:18.16 | lindi- | boon: package that has libglut*.so |
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| 09:19.30 | sbasuita | boon: libglut3-dev |
| 09:19.38 | lindi- | spoilers :) |
| 09:19.47 | sbasuita | hehe ;P |
| 09:19.53 | boon | http://pastebin.com/MEq5SyX1 |
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| 09:20.22 | boon | E: Couldn't find package libglut3-dev |
| 09:20.33 | boon | something happen to my source |
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| 09:23.11 | boon | http://pastebin.com/eQmYpLpi |
| 09:23.20 | boon | my source is screw up |
| 09:23.32 | boon | please help |
| 09:26.14 | MeglaW | your sources are old, you shuld upgrade from etch |
| 09:27.16 | boon | ? |
| 09:27.28 | boon | what it more screw up if i update? |
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| 09:28.36 | MeglaW | no, change sources.list, update it, get the latest kernel and reboot and then run apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade; apt-get upgrade |
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| 09:29.04 | MeglaW | its gonna stand there and chew for a few hours |
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| 09:30.44 | boon | what if it failed during half |
| 09:30.59 | boon | system wont boot again after reboot? |
| 09:31.00 | MeglaW | then we will help u fix it |
| 09:31.03 | MeglaW | it will |
| 09:31.14 | MeglaW | it can always boot on the kernel you are on now |
| 09:31.27 | MeglaW | if it wont boot on the newone |
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| 09:36.16 | Bennit | anyone know how to completely remove apache2? (when I do purge it removes only the /etc/apache2/ files) |
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| 09:36.27 | Bennit | the init.d scripts stay there |
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| 09:37.07 | boon | apt-get remove apache2 |
| 09:38.10 | boon | MeglaW : is there a rollback system if update failed? |
| 09:39.21 | MeglaW | well, i guess so, just update sources back and do the same i guess |
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| 09:43.58 | Bennit | boon: that doesn't remove everything as well |
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| 09:54.11 | boon | is upgrading 4.0 to 5.0 hope all goes well |
| 09:54.28 | MeglaW | gl |
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| 09:58.27 | Arafangion | boon: Just pay attention to the /topic. :) |
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| 10:01.22 | jpinx-eeepc | ScottG: /lastlog Schmee |
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| 10:07.09 | poisonbit | If I enable remote gdm in a machine... how X resolution is managed? I say imagine the server is 1280 and the clients some 1024, some 1280, some 1920... how will show the gdm/desktop in each one? |
| 10:08.10 | Vroomfondle | it will use the client's resolution |
| 10:08.25 | poisonbit | cool :) |
| 10:08.58 | petern_ | poisonbit, gdm is the 'client', local X is the server... |
| 10:09.22 | poisonbit | Vroomfondle, I can imagine one issue... If the user moves things in the desktop (icons, bars, etc)... and uses diferent terminals... things will go a bit crazy, right ? |
| 10:10.06 | poisonbit | like if I change my resolution now... some things Ive customized goes out of place |
| 10:11.14 | poisonbit | I think gnome stores positions for everything (icons, windows, panel applets, bars, etc), but we can live with that |
| 10:11.53 | Vroomfondle | yes, that will probably happen remotely too. |
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| 10:15.48 | boon | !dpkg hi |
| 10:15.49 | dpkg | hello, boon |
| 10:16.09 | Bennit | http://pastebin.com/2u1nQjEd # any idea why libapache2-mod-php5 won't put it's binary in my apache's mod folder? |
| 10:16.25 | Bennit | I've cleared it but that doesn't help |
| 10:16.31 | Bennit | (via apt-get remove) |
| 10:16.34 | Bennit | and reinstall then |
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| 10:17.10 | Bennit | aha purge & reinstall did it |
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| 10:18.06 | poisonbit | uses purge by default, and "only remove" as exception situation |
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| 10:19.11 | poisonbit | if not, the dpkg -l goes full of "rc" status packages |
| 10:19.14 | boon | videosevcik-2:~# cat /etc/debian_version |
| 10:19.14 | boon | 5.0.4 |
| 10:19.17 | boon | wow its work |
| 10:20.11 | poisonbit | I don't know how relaiable that is |
| 10:20.46 | boon | lucky the upgrade din screw up the server :X |
| 10:21.23 | poisonbit | i.e. lot of debian derived distros (aren't debian) keeps that file |
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| 10:23.10 | poisonbit | I don't know the relaiability od lsb_release -a too (lsb-release package)... so I think that parsing /etc/apt/sources*, /proc/version (to see if is a vanilla debian kernel) or something more complicated is needed to be __sure__ it's debian |
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| 10:26.29 | poisonbit | http://github.com/poisonbit/solr-tools/blob/master/solrhelper#L180 |
| 10:26.38 | poisonbit | not too much relaiable too :) |
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| 10:29.12 | boon | mmmmm |
| 10:30.29 | boon | !dpkg time |
| 10:30.30 | dpkg | well, time is found on http://www.time.gov/, or 2010.06.25 10:30:28, or an illusion, and lunchtime doubly so - Ford Prefect said that. of no essence here!, or it's beer o'clock!!, or see http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/system-administrator/ch-sysadmin-time.html |
| 10:31.01 | boon | !dpkg lenny |
| 10:31.02 | dpkg | Lenny is the codename for the current stable release, Debian GNU/Linux 5.0, released on 2009-02-14: http://www.debian.org/News/2009/20090214 Ask me about <release notes>, <install debian>, <etch->lenny>, <installer firmware>. Currently <5.0.4>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLenny |
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| 10:33.37 | poisonbit | !dpkg apple |
| 10:33.38 | dpkg | [apple] a fruit, or a different kind of company, a different kind of computer... http://www.apple.com, or a fruity computer, or the best hardware company out there. They make much better processors than Intel or AMD, but unfortunately are a bit proprietary, or the most "proprietary" of all companies, ever... sucks. See also <airport>, <ppc>. http://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Apple . ##apple on irc.freenode.net. |
| 10:33.43 | poisonbit | lol !! |
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| 10:34.16 | poisonbit | now all are intel (macbook and imacs) |
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| 10:35.14 | poisonbit | EFI boot, but intel |
| 10:35.31 | boon | lol |
| 10:35.37 | boon | !dpkg orange |
| 10:35.38 | dpkg | orange is, like, not apple |
| 10:35.55 | cantido | when did apple ever make a processor? |
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| 10:36.32 | jelly-home | well Apple _is_ in the CPU design business now |
| 10:36.39 | jelly-home | dpkg, factinfo apple |
| 10:36.40 | dpkg | apple -- last modified at Tue Apr 27 07:16:58 2010 by gsimmons!~gsimmons@gsimmons.org; it has been requested 92 times, last by poisonbit, 3m 2s ago. |
| 10:36.50 | ikanobori | cantido: They do now and I think they owned a production facility when they made ppc arch processors. |
| 10:36.59 | Arafangion | jelly-home: They are? |
| 10:37.07 | ikanobori | Arafangion: Yes. |
| 10:37.08 | cantido | ikanobori: everyone that was worth anything left PA Semi when apple bought it |
| 10:37.17 | Arafangion | I thought they were backing out of that. |
| 10:37.19 | ikanobori | Arafangion: The chip in the iPad/iPhone 4 is from Apple itself. |
| 10:37.20 | jelly-home | cantido: A4 powering iPads and iPhone is a custom arm-based SoC designed by them |
| 10:37.27 | Arafangion | AHh, of course. |
| 10:37.28 | cantido | jelly-home: it's made by samsung |
| 10:37.38 | cantido | jelly-home: and designed buy samsung |
| 10:37.43 | cantido | s/buy/by/ |
| 10:37.45 | boon | lol |
| 10:38.25 | cantido | hell they couldn't design an antenna.. let's hope they don't get too involved in more complex electronics ;) |
| 10:38.55 | jelly-home | cantido: I only know what the press say. and eg. http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2010/06/an-even-closer-look-at-apples-a4-shows-evolutionary-design.ars |
| 10:39.04 | poisonbit | I've a 2.5 years old imac and a macbook, most components are intel, nvidia, broadcom, etc like any other PC, boot standar and chasis/screen quality are the only diference i see |
| 10:39.16 | jelly-home | anyhoo |
| 10:39.22 | jelly-home | !offtopic |
| 10:39.22 | dpkg | #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. |
| 10:39.36 | cantido | jelly-home: http://www.geek.com/articles/mobile/the-ipads-a4-chip-under-a-microscope-2010046/ |
| 10:39.38 | poisonbit | i prefer to write on my old thinkpad T42 than my new macbook |
| 10:39.40 | Arafangion | jelly-home: Ahh, the press say it, so of *course* they must be right(!) |
| 10:39.44 | cantido | jelly-home: it says samsung inside the chip |
| 10:39.58 | jelly-home | !version |
| 10:39.59 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a, or cat /proc/version. Do cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} which should grab almost all distributions. |
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| 10:42.34 | jelly-home | tends to believe arstechnica more than a random ircer |
| 10:42.55 | boon | updatedb is used on centos how about debian? |
| 10:43.03 | cantido | believes what's written on the die more than apple press fudder |
| 10:44.07 | poisonbit | things that http://poisonbit.wordpress.com/2010/06/22/apple-adobe-autodesk-ms-care-your-roots/ |
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| 10:44.56 | jelly-home | boon: there are multiple implementations of locate/updatedb available. |
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| 10:45.51 | jelly-home | ,file bin/localte |
| 10:45.54 | jelly-home | ,file bin/locate |
| 10:45.55 | judd | No packages were found with that file. |
| 10:46.08 | jelly-home | !find bin/locate |
| 10:46.31 | boon | !find mlocate |
| 10:46.38 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'mlocate' (2): (/usr/share/aide/config/aide/aide.conf.d/31_aide_mlocate) in admin/aide-common ;; (/etc/cron.daily/mlocate, /usr/bin/{mlocate|updatedb.mlocate}) in utils/mlocate. |
| 10:46.55 | jelly-home | that's one |
| 10:47.06 | Kvant | or in the locate package |
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| 10:47.51 | jelly-home | that's another |
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| 11:09.10 | lindi- | "apt-get update" downloads data for both "deb" and "deb-src" lines. is there a way to have it update only the "deb" data? I'm behind gprs and downloading deb-src takes a long time. However, I do not want to comment it out since I occasionally want to fetch source packages too |
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| 11:15.52 | arand | lindi-: sudo aptitude update -o Dir::Etc::SourceList=/etc/apt/sources.list.d/my_custom.list |
| 11:16.57 | arand | lindi-: You could define a source-free list somewhere and alias a command like that, I guess.. |
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| 11:21.14 | dentifrice | hey there - does the Debian security team also issue fixes for kernels in testing? |
| 11:22.04 | dentifrice | there doesn't seem to be a fix for kernel 2.6.32, though some of the issues reported in DSA-2053-1 seem to affect 2.6.32 too |
| 11:22.21 | dentifrice | see http://www.debian.org/security/2010/dsa-2053 |
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| 11:22.57 | passwordoff | Does anyone trying to install distro from HDD? |
| 11:23.53 | xxtjaxx | passwordoff: you mean as in live HDD? |
| 11:24.05 | passwordoff | xxtjaxx: yes |
| 11:24.05 | abrotman | dentifrice: if you require security, testing is really not a good thing to be running |
| 11:24.23 | abrotman | dentifrice: also see /msg dpkg tracker of doom |
| 11:24.47 | xxtjaxx | passwordoff: check for live-helper you can do custom builds of a live system with installer of course the boot from that |
| 11:25.35 | passwordoff | xxtjaxx: what is it - live-helper? |
| 11:25.46 | xxtjaxx | passwordoff: basically you just define the installer HDD as the device to boot from just like a normal USB-Stick/CD/DVD |
| 11:25.58 | xxtjaxx | passwordoff: apt-cache search live-helper |
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| 11:27.03 | xxtjaxx | passwordoff: if doing it from the shell is too cumbersome use live-magic |
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| 11:27.38 | lindi- | passwordoff: nowadays they even have a web interface for generating your own livecd |
| 11:28.15 | lindi- | passwordoff: http://live-helper.debian.net/ |
| 11:28.16 | xxtjaxx | lindi-: you mean the novell thingy? |
| 11:28.28 | lindi- | novell? |
| 11:28.47 | xxtjaxx | lindi-: never mind didnt know about that one ^^ |
| 11:28.48 | passwordoff | then I could make livecd from any debian installer - img, iso? |
| 11:30.17 | passwordoff | xxtjaxx: ^^ with live-magic? |
| 11:32.07 | abchirk | are there any debs for lenny with the newest iptables? |
| 11:33.06 | RichiH | http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz can not be found any more... when did that happen? |
| 11:34.06 | abrotman | RichiH: couple weeks ago? archive.debian.org |
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| 11:34.33 | RichiH | seems like it's may 22nd |
| 11:34.38 | RichiH | oh well |
| 11:34.38 | abrotman | okay, so a month! |
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| 11:41.07 | passwordoff | IOError: sh: lh_config: not found |
| 11:41.08 | passwordoff | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:42.35 | leonh | Just noticed that the testing cd README has the sentence "As this is not an official squeeze release disc, then the installation guide many not be released yet" in it. Worth filing a bug? |
| 11:43.06 | dentifrice | abrotman: thanks for the link |
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| 11:43.20 | abrotman | leonh: no, it hasn't been released yet |
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| 11:48.59 | alcohol | abrotman: he probably meant the somewhat oddly formed sentence |
| 11:49.19 | alcohol | abrotman: or at least, I don't see why on earth the word 'then' is included in it |
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| 11:49.30 | passwordoff | And then type # dd if=debian.img of=/dev/sdb1 |
| 11:49.36 | passwordoff | thats right? |
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| 11:50.21 | anoob | hi, i trying to compile monodevelop but i get the following error: http://go-mono.com/forums/#nabble%2B |
| 11:50.26 | anoob | sorry: http://mono.1490590.n4.nabble.com/Monodevelop-2-4-compilation-error-No-package-glade-sharp-2-0-found-tp2268343p2268343.html |
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| 11:51.36 | passwordoff | xxtjaxx: lindi-: ^^ |
| 11:51.39 | jelly-home | anoob: what's wrong with the one from the distro? |
| 11:51.59 | anoob | and i do need the 2.4 version |
| 11:51.59 | anoob | its 2.2 version |
| 11:52.17 | anoob | because it has code completion in vb.net instead of 2.2 |
| 11:52.35 | jelly-home | anoob: have you installed all the necessary build-dependencies? |
| 11:53.02 | anoob | i don't know |
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| 11:54.48 | abrotman | alcohol: well, he didn't clarify .. problem solved! |
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| 11:56.35 | cast | evening all |
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| 11:57.52 | markvandenborre | http://pastie.org/1018626 |
| 11:57.58 | abrotman | oh sure ... rub it in that friday is already over for you .. some of us still have to work |
| 11:58.09 | markvandenborre | where does the difference originate? |
| 11:58.49 | markvandenborre | there's a few hidden directories, but they're not exactly big |
| 11:59.00 | markvandenborre | any suggestions? |
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| 11:59.48 | abrotman | sync? fsck? uname -r ? |
| 11:59.56 | abrotman | block size? |
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| 12:00.19 | cast | markvandenborre: open files? |
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| 12:01.33 | markvandenborre | cast: yeah, that must be it, thanks a lot for the suggestion |
| 12:01.38 | markvandenborre | I've googled around a bit |
| 12:04.10 | markvandenborre | hm, a lsof doesn't turn up that many interesting things |
| 12:08.06 | markvandenborre | it's an nfs, mounted on three different machines |
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| 12:09.44 | markvandenborre | ah, du -sxh gives different output on the different machines |
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| 12:13.56 | Anon678 | ?????I heard a song on TRIPLE J. New Oz Hip-hop, "it goes down in my hometown" one of the lyrics. Does any1 know the song. SONG TITLE or ARTIST????? PLEASE HELP???? |
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| 12:15.04 | abrotman | wtf was that |
| 12:15.18 | alcohol | troll attempt |
| 12:16.27 | xxtjaxx | weak |
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| 12:22.40 | CQ | hello, whats the best package source for security in germany? security.de.debian.org doesn't seem to exist... |
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| 12:23.11 | abrotman | so use security.debian.org |
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| 12:24.47 | CQ | abrotman: I did... it was waay slow forthe first two packages, then it sped up... I'll leave it as is |
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| 12:25.42 | abrotman | CQ: it's a round-robin .. |
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| 12:28.36 | Blackvel | what package/library install (e.g awstats/geoip) could get a lenny 5.02 system into a state where no /bin/sh /bin/cat commands could be started anymore? anyone encountered someting like this? |
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| 12:29.01 | abrotman | is there an error? |
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| 12:30.09 | RichiH | abrotman: jun 20th |
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| 12:31.35 | abrotman | RichiH: five days ago? |
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| 12:33.21 | boon | i already installed neroAacEnc using : sudo install -D -m755 neroAacEnc /usr/bin |
| 12:33.39 | boon | the file file was found inside /usr/bin |
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| 12:33.42 | Bishop_ | hi |
| 12:33.57 | boon | problem is |
| 12:34.07 | boon | i execute, it say /usr/bin/neroAacEnc: No such file or directory |
| 12:34.20 | boon | any idea? |
| 12:34.32 | RichiH | abrotman: according to the gods of math, you are correct |
| 12:36.08 | abrotman | RichiH: i just used my fingers to count :) |
| 12:36.21 | boon | the file was there but not found |
| 12:36.27 | boon | what is the problem? |
| 12:37.27 | abrotman | boon: uname -r ? |
| 12:37.28 | RichiH | abrotman: thanks for that mental picture |
| 12:37.40 | abrotman | RichiH: at least it wasn't my toes? :) |
| 12:37.44 | boon | videosevcik-2:/usr/bin# uname -r |
| 12:37.45 | boon | 2.6.24 |
| 12:37.50 | abrotman | that is not what it says |
| 12:38.02 | abrotman | not if it's a debian kernel |
| 12:38.02 | RichiH | abrotman: did you drool while counting? |
| 12:38.05 | RichiH | or mumble? |
| 12:38.10 | abrotman | just a bit |
| 12:38.19 | RichiH | good boy |
| 12:38.54 | boon | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 12:38.54 | boon | 5.0.4 |
| 12:39.01 | boon | just upgraded from etch |
| 12:39.03 | abrotman | where did you get that kernel? |
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| 12:39.16 | abrotman | and why are you even trying to use nero? |
| 12:39.41 | boon | for mux and demux video file |
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| 12:40.39 | boon | or i did wrong during the update from etch to lenny ? |
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| 12:42.06 | abrotman | boon: file /usr/bin/neroAacEnc |
| 12:43.14 | boon | #/usr/bin/neroAacEnc: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.8, stripped |
| 12:45.35 | abrotman | ldd /usr/bin/neroAacEnc |
| 12:46.24 | cast | boon: sounds like yet another piece of shit non-free, am i right? :) |
| 12:46.58 | abrotman | probably easier to use the DMM stuff |
| 12:47.50 | boon | cast : non free ? |
| 12:48.10 | abrotman | boon: Nero stuff is non-free/binary-only software |
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| 12:48.23 | cast | boon: yeah, stuff that isn't allowed in debian. |
| 12:48.30 | boon | aa |
| 12:48.33 | boon | u sure? |
| 12:48.56 | abrotman | Nero is free as in beer, not free as in speech |
| 12:49.28 | boon | ldd /usr/bin/neroAacEnc |
| 12:49.29 | boon | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:49.33 | Genji | hiya all |
| 12:50.02 | Genji | for upgrade testing, as in copying an entire hdd to another linux's hdd and upgrading that install, is a virtual machine sufficient? |
| 12:50.35 | abrotman | RichiH: still around? |
| 12:50.54 | Genji | I can go real machine hdd copy to virtual machine hdd,, and real machine hosting the virtual machine.. upgrade the virtual machine? |
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| 12:52.08 | cast | boon: complain to nero. |
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| 12:53.42 | eshat | Where are the user crontabs saved ? |
| 12:54.39 | abrotman | /var/spool/cron/ |
| 12:54.41 | markvandenborre | eshat: in /var/spool/cron |
| 12:54.55 | markvandenborre | not that you'd want to edit these over there directly |
| 12:55.24 | eshat | markvandenborre: no I won't, it is just we are upgrading 300 clients, and users complained about there cronjobs disappearing |
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| 12:56.23 | djura-san | o/ |
| 12:56.23 | eshat | will the crontabs work, if I sync them to /var/spool on another client ? |
| 12:56.31 | markvandenborre | eshat: perfect, just making sure you wouldn't do anything you'd regret later :) |
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| 12:57.38 | jelly-home | eshat: mind the file ownerships and restart cron afterwards |
| 12:57.59 | eshat | jelly-home: thanks |
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| 13:01.32 | ociredeF | hey there |
| 13:01.48 | ociredeF | has anybody installed squeeze on a netbook and experienced any problems? |
| 13:02.05 | ampex | ociredeF: ask a real question, what's your problem? |
| 13:02.20 | cast | ociredeF: yes and yes |
| 13:02.22 | abrotman | ociredeF: be less vague, i have squeeze on a netbook, and really only one slight issue |
| 13:03.08 | abrotman | oh two .. |
| 13:03.19 | abrotman | neither a deal breaker, just annoyances |
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| 13:03.39 | ociredeF | Well I installed squeeze on my netbook and wireless internet is not very good at all |
| 13:03.53 | ociredeF | I have to F5 every website I visit |
| 13:03.58 | pix_ | is there an debian etch mirror still available somewhere ? |
| 13:04.27 | abrotman | pix_: archive.debian.org |
| 13:04.28 | pix_ | I need to find a etch kernel-image package. |
| 13:04.29 | ociredeF | and it never gets to log on msn |
| 13:04.34 | pix_ | abrotman: thanks |
| 13:04.36 | abrotman | dpkg: tell pix_ about etch->lenny |
| 13:04.43 | abrotman | ociredeF: which wifi card? which kernel? |
| 13:05.10 | ociredeF | the wifi card is an atheros card |
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| 13:05.30 | abrotman | lspci -nn | grep -i network |
| 13:05.40 | abrotman | show us the actual card |
| 13:06.00 | eshat | dpkg should know what KDE SC is, shouldn't he ? |
| 13:06.01 | dpkg | eshat: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 13:06.10 | abrotman | why? |
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| 13:06.47 | ociredeF | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:07.04 | abrotman | so if you `lsmod | grep ath` you get ath9k ? |
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| 13:07.15 | abrotman | and `uname -r` says what? |
| 13:07.34 | xxtjaxx | what? |
| 13:07.42 | xxtjaxx | just joking |
| 13:07.53 | ociredeF | ?? |
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| 13:08.53 | MeglaW | boon: how did it go? |
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| 13:11.27 | ociredeF | so then, if nobody knows what was the rush about me asking the question |
| 13:12.09 | abrotman | the rush? |
| 13:12.21 | abrotman | ociredeF: <abrotman> so if you `lsmod | grep ath` you get ath9k ? <abrotman> and `uname -r` says what? |
| 13:12.59 | ociredeF | yes I got the ath9k |
| 13:13.15 | ociredeF | and kernel is 2.6.32-5-686 |
| 13:13.31 | abrotman | is it possibly flipping to another AP? |
| 13:14.05 | ociredeF | AP? |
| 13:14.14 | abrotman | wifi access point |
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| 13:14.44 | ociredeF | not really, but my wife works with the same wifi on here laptop and it works just fine |
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| 13:16.32 | cantido | the ath9k driver logs a lot of stuff to dmesg.. |
| 13:17.37 | ociredeF | I don't know |
| 13:18.39 | abrotman | he's saying if you type 'dmesg', do you see a lot of stuff related to your wifi ? |
| 13:20.02 | ociredeF | kind of |
| 13:20.14 | ociredeF | I'll paste it somewhere |
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| 13:20.16 | abrotman | you can use http://paste.debian.net/ |
| 13:20.24 | ociredeF | thanks |
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| 13:20.43 | RichiH | abrotman: kinda |
| 13:20.46 | RichiH | wassup? |
| 13:20.50 | ociredeF | http://paste.debian.net/78748/ |
| 13:20.55 | abrotman | RichiH: quick pm for something non-debian ? |
| 13:20.55 | ociredeF | there you arw |
| 13:20.58 | RichiH | sure |
| 13:23.32 | Revo | fofof |
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| 13:26.30 | ociredeF | so...did that help? |
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| 13:28.40 | abrotman | ociredeF: there should be more i owuld thinki |
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| 13:32.48 | ociredeF | http://paste.debian.net/78751/ |
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| 13:36.22 | abrotman | ocigrrr |
| 13:37.12 | nima | i have my wireless driver loaded but i cant change any attr of my device whit iwconfig |
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| 13:45.56 | Multiply | Isn't there any etch mirrors up anymore? |
| 13:46.11 | abrotman | !ado |
| 13:46.12 | dpkg | Find old Debian releases at http://archive.debian.org/ |
| 13:46.21 | abrotman | you should upgrade to lenny |
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| 13:47.12 | nima | i have my wireless driver loaded but i cant change any attr of my device whit iwconfig |
| 13:47.30 | jelly-home | !etch sources.list |
| 13:47.31 | dpkg | i heard etch sources.list is "deb http://archive.debian.org/debian etch main contrib non-free" and "deb http://archive.debian.org/debian-security etch/updates main contrib non-free" |
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| 13:48.02 | abrotman | that's cheating |
| 13:48.16 | jelly-home | well it's there, so... yeah |
| 13:48.44 | Multiply | abrotman, that's what I'm trying to do, but it doesn't have aptitude, so I can't. |
| 13:48.56 | abrotman | what doesn't have aptitude? |
| 13:49.07 | abrotman | your etch isntallation? |
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| 13:49.11 | Multiply | My clients current installation, of etch |
| 13:49.42 | abrotman | okay |
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| 13:49.55 | Multiply | Got it sorted with the archive deb. |
| 13:50.28 | Genji | I can go real machine hdd copy to virtual machine hdd,, and real machine hosting the virtual machine.. upgrade the virtual machine? |
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| 13:51.35 | nima | i have my wireless driver loaded but i cant change any attr of my device whit iwconfig |
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| 13:53.58 | do0ob | !flash64 |
| 13:54.00 | do0ob | !flash |
| 13:54.00 | dpkg | Flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> or <swfdec> for free implementations, ask about <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. http://wiki.debian.org/Flash |
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| 13:54.45 | rvsjoen | and to annoy people |
| 13:55.15 | abrotman | heh |
| 13:55.26 | cantido | Genji: I don't see why not |
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| 13:58.13 | Blackvel | what package/library apt-get/make install (e.g geoip) could get a lenny 5.02 system into a state where no /bin/sh or /bin/cat commands could be started anymore (even not postfix/sshd)? anyone ever encountered something like this? happend to me on Monday. How can I avoid that case in future? |
| 13:58.53 | petemc | Blackvel: a better way to approach that might be to review what you did preceeding this |
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| 13:59.48 | RichiH | grrrrrrr |
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| 14:00.12 | RichiH | did anyone else ever experience java on lenny nuking whole machines into rebooting/hanging? |
| 14:00.34 | RichiH | i have had the same happen with different machines, virtual and physical, from time to time |
| 14:00.47 | jordanm | why do you think its java related? |
| 14:03.06 | RichiH | Jordan_U: because in all cases, it happenend a few seconds to minutes after installing java |
| 14:03.13 | RichiH | installing & using, that is |
| 14:03.27 | cantido | RichiH: nuking == kernel panic? |
| 14:03.49 | cantido | also.. which java? |
| 14:04.48 | Blackvel | petemc: how would you check that personally? ipkg installations? checking some logs? |
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| 14:07.14 | RichiH | in today's case, default-jre |
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| 14:12.01 | do0ob | so what do i do about the lack of flash? |
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| 14:13.07 | do0ob | maybe i could just install an older version of flash |
| 14:13.57 | jelly-home | do you find your lack of flash... disturbing |
| 14:14.24 | do0ob | yes, very much so |
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| 14:17.12 | sneezewort | I am using debian Lenny: Can anyone tell me why my csh operates as the user calling it from the command line but operates as other when running csh scripts? |
| 14:17.34 | lindi- | sneezewort: what? |
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| 14:17.58 | do0ob | people are crying on the ubuntu forums too :( |
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| 14:18.47 | ampex | sneezewort: what do you mean by "when running csh scripts"? |
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| 14:20.13 | do0ob | ubuntu seems to have a custom firefox which works with their flash plugin |
| 14:20.13 | cast | do0ob: don't use flash. |
| 14:21.05 | do0ob | cast: but i want to watch youtube videos |
| 14:21.29 | lindi- | do0ob: you can watch them with gnash |
| 14:21.41 | cast | or youtube-dl |
| 14:21.44 | do0ob | i don't want gnash, i want real flash |
| 14:21.48 | abrotman | do0ob: you can use a 32bit chroot or try nspluginwrapper, or pay adobe to stop being wankers |
| 14:22.01 | sneezewort | OK. So if I go into a csh shell and type a cat command on a file only my user has access to (750) then it works but if i create a script that does the same it fails unless I change permissions to 754. |
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| 14:22.18 | cast | does yt have a semiexperimental non-flash interface now? :) |
| 14:22.36 | pipeline | yes |
| 14:22.41 | pipeline | you have to be logged-in to use it |
| 14:22.56 | pipeline | most-but-not-all videos are available through html5 <video> tag |
| 14:22.58 | abrotman | cast: the html5 stuff, but yes |
| 14:23.07 | cast | do0ob: real flash is evidently shit, if you need help with it surely you should be calling adobe, they're the only ones that can support it |
| 14:23.34 | do0ob | i might actually just call them |
| 14:24.46 | jelly-home | or use a 32bit OS |
| 14:25.22 | do0ob | i'm not switching to 32bit for a while yet |
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| 14:25.37 | aryaeskan | how much do you really gain by using a 64bit processor? |
| 14:25.41 | lindi- | sneezewort: strace? |
| 14:25.46 | abrotman | 64bit flash is now nonexistsant .. before it was just horribly crashy .. |
| 14:26.04 | jelly-home | aryaeskan: depedns on the particulat app. For casual desktop use, not much |
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| 14:26.18 | cast | aryaeskan: you gotta admit...8 GP registers isn't much |
| 14:26.40 | aryaeskan | from what I read, it seems it might be useful for servers with custom software or something |
| 14:26.47 | jelly-home | cast: I had one on 6502 and I was happy! |
| 14:26.50 | aryaeskan | but it doesn't seem that great for desktops |
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| 14:27.36 | lindi- | aryaeskan: it's also good for testing software to be 64-bit compatible |
| 14:27.51 | jelly-home | aryaeskan: Debian has additional issues with 64bit that don't happen on other distros, which can mix 32 and 64bit packages (almost) freely |
| 14:28.04 | jelly-home | !multiarch |
| 14:28.04 | dpkg | i guess multiarch is http://wiki.debian.org/multiarch and will allow Debian many improvements like a better support for systems that can run multiple binary targets, like i386 on amd64,i386 on ia64. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2006/05/msg00290.html, or http://wiki.debian.org/MultiarchFosdem |
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| 14:29.36 | cast | seeing as i wouldn't buy a computer with <4GB of ram, 64 bit appeals |
| 14:29.57 | jelly-home | so run a 64bit kernel |
| 14:30.46 | do0ob | cast: but 32bit is for 4GB and less, so its fine |
| 14:30.48 | jelly-home | judd: versions linux-image-2.6-amd64 --arch i386 |
| 14:30.50 | judd | linux-image-2.6-amd64 -- etch: 2.6.18+6etch3; etch-security: 2.6.18+6etch3; etch-backports: 2.6.26+17~bpo40+2; lenny: 2.6.26+17+lenny1; lenny-backports: 2.6.32+27~bpo50+1; sid: 2.6.32+27; squeeze: 2.6.32+27 |
| 14:31.28 | cast | do0ob: note that some of the 32bit address space may not be available |
| 14:31.36 | jelly-home | cast: it confuses the hell out of third party drivers building scripts |
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| 14:32.49 | do0ob | jelly-home: so is that for 32bit environments to run 64bit kernels? |
| 14:33.08 | jelly-home | do0ob: it is. |
| 14:33.38 | cast | since i don't run, and suggest other people likewise don't run proprietary software, i've never had a problem with running the AMD64 port :) |
| 14:34.12 | jelly-home | cast: your perl scripts must be better written than mine! |
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| 14:36.03 | jelly-home | hashes eat twice the memory in Debian's perl build on amd64 for some reason. This managed to turn some of my scripts for "working" to "swapping the hell out" on a i386 -> amd64 transition |
| 14:36.36 | cast | curious |
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| 14:38.52 | Jan\ | I've got a kernel failure and because of it the NIC isn't working, how do I solve this? |
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| 14:39.13 | cast | your kernel broke a nic? |
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| 14:43.26 | Jan\ | don't know |
| 14:43.38 | Jan\ | it just says kernel failure in the right lower corner |
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| 14:43.49 | do0ob | Jan\: disable it in bios and put a pcie nic in? |
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| 14:58.35 | uwjweq | Where to report bugs in the fortune files? |
| 14:59.01 | petemc | !bts |
| 14:59.01 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges |
| 14:59.41 | icebrain | uwjweq: more specifically, there's http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=fortunes |
| 14:59.56 | icebrain | you can use reportbug to report them, it's nice |
| 15:00.03 | RichiH | other than adding -g to NTPD_OPTS in /etc/init.d/ntp, what is the most aggressive way to battle a broken RTC? |
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| 15:02.01 | mquin | RichiH: soldering iron and a new RTC? (you did say 'aggressive' ;) ) |
| 15:02.08 | RichiH | yah, haha |
| 15:02.17 | RichiH | i am not on site and need an intermediate fix asap |
| 15:03.18 | Shadowcat | how close is Squeeze to release? |
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| 15:03.38 | jelly-home | !wwsr |
| 15:03.38 | dpkg | Squeeze will release <WIR>, <SIYH>. No release schedule is done yet. Ask me about <squeeze bet>. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2010/06/msg00002.html |
| 15:04.02 | jelly-home | Shadowcat: hopefully less than 12 months |
| 15:04.11 | Shadowcat | ... |
| 15:04.13 | jelly-home | but that's just my wishful thinking |
| 15:04.30 | Shadowcat | I'm trying to sync right now with the debian unstable tree |
| 15:04.31 | jpinx-eeepc | got a tweet from debian-news saying it'll be this year |
| 15:04.35 | Shadowcat | haven't done so in a few months |
| 15:04.40 | Shadowcat | and it's dependency hell |
| 15:05.00 | jelly-home | jpinx-eeepc: riiight |
| 15:05.05 | jpinx-eeepc | !unstable |
| 15:05.15 | dpkg | [unstable] The status of a Debian release when packages can be added to the system at any time that might disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. Not supported here, in general. It's also newspeak for not stable. If you have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't. apt-get install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges (!) See also <testing>, <sid>, <sid faq>, <apt-listbugs>, <apt-listchanges>, <bts>. |
| 15:05.17 | mquin | RichiH: if it's slewing faster than ntpd is prepared to adjust it one approach would be to run ntpdate very frequently to jump the clock to the correct time - but that may make some things behave strangely |
| 15:05.23 | jpinx-eeepc | jelly-home: I always believe my tweets ;) |
| 15:05.27 | icebrain | Shadowcat: what, the upgrade or Sid itself? |
| 15:05.37 | Shadowcat | sid itself |
| 15:05.44 | Shadowcat | the system is already on sid |
| 15:05.47 | Shadowcat | just an older sid |
| 15:06.04 | jelly-home | Shadowcat: but you're asking about squeeze. State of sid is no indication there |
| 15:06.23 | Shadowcat | I guess |
| 15:06.29 | Shadowcat | right, back to sorting out dependencies |
| 15:06.30 | jpinx-eeepc | Shadowcat: sid is generlly not much supported in here because of the way it breaks unexpectdly |
| 15:07.03 | jpinx-eeepc | Shadowcat: what does your sources.list say? |
| 15:07.04 | Shadowcat | yes, I know |
| 15:07.08 | Shadowcat | jpinx-eeepc, sid |
| 15:07.12 | jelly-home | jpinx-eeepc: Shadowcat, iirc, is an old regular |
| 15:07.22 | icebrain | Shadowcat: Sid is working fine here, thankfully |
| 15:07.32 | jpinx-eeepc | Shadowcat: fairysnuff - have fun :) |
| 15:07.52 | Shadowcat | thanks :/ |
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| 15:12.45 | RichiH | mquin: we are talking 9 seconds per second |
| 15:14.44 | jelly-home | RichiH: I'm creating a qotd right there. |
| 15:14.59 | RichiH | do that |
| 15:17.07 | RichiH | wtf |
| 15:17.10 | RichiH | reboot fixed it |
| 15:17.18 | RichiH | kills things randomly |
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| 15:36.48 | mh__ | hi. i have studing a monitoring tool, and found the term committed memory.. but now i have tried to google for the answer, and still im a little bit confused what is really is, can someone help? i know its a bit out of topic.. but perhaps someone might be interested in hardware |
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| 15:37.00 | Genji | if I copy a real machine's filesystem to a virtual machine's hdd,, and have the real machine hosting the virtual machine.. can i upgrade the virtual machine's filesystem with no conflict, and complete reliablity that what doesn't break, does break on the virtual machine, is a real reflection on what will break/wont break on the real machine? |
| 15:37.36 | PsiKlops | !paste |
| 15:37.36 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <paste2pastebin.pl>. |
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| 15:38.14 | SerajewelKS | ugh, network-manager drives me nuts sometimes |
| 15:38.34 | SerajewelKS | "nm-applet died because the user logged out, of course that means we should disconnect from the wireless network!" uhh... yeah... |
| 15:38.51 | Myth` | Hey guys, I've set a static ip on the debian box by editing /etc/network/interfaces but I can't connect until I ifconfig eth0 address xx.xx.xx.xx netmask and route add default gateway ? What gives? |
| 15:38.53 | SerajewelKS | that's slightly inane |
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| 15:39.13 | SerajewelKS | Myth`: pastebin your /etc/network/interfaces |
| 15:40.25 | Myth` | SerajewelKS -> http://pastebin.org/358482 |
| 15:41.13 | Blackvel | to re-install all packages from old server to a new server its enough to use --get-selections / --set-selections? do i have to do something with debconf? |
| 15:41.53 | SerajewelKS | Myth`: did you ever "ifup eth0"? |
| 15:42.08 | petemc | Blackvel: /msg dpkg debian clone |
| 15:42.12 | SerajewelKS | Myth`: you do not declare in your interfaces file that eth0 should come up automatically, so when you boot it will be down |
| 15:42.16 | Myth` | SerajewelKS -> No. I did ifconfig eth0 up |
| 15:42.25 | SerajewelKS | Myth`: that would explain it |
| 15:42.30 | SerajewelKS | Myth`: man ifup; man ifdown |
| 15:42.32 | Myth` | Is there a way to add it? |
| 15:42.44 | SerajewelKS | Myth`: uncomment line 9 |
| 15:42.45 | Myth` | In the interfaces file I mean. |
| 15:42.46 | PsiKlops | hello, i just upgrade a fresh install ( business card ) to squeeze, and have the latest kernel-version: 2.6.32-5-686, after i rebooted i got this message: http://pastie.org/1018916 |
| 15:42.54 | ernst | you might want to add "auto eth0" before the iface block if you want your eth0 to come up at system start |
| 15:43.03 | Blackvel | so none debconf ;) |
| 15:43.11 | jordanm | !tell PsiKlops about udev squeeze |
| 15:43.13 | SerajewelKS | Myth`: or as ernst says. but it appears that you disabled that part of the config. just restore it. |
| 15:43.27 | SerajewelKS | Myth`: also, don't comment stuff out if you don't understand what it does |
| 15:43.47 | Myth` | Great. Thanks! |
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| 15:44.28 | SerajewelKS | np |
| 15:45.27 | Blackvel | what happens with listed / previously installed packages installed outside of debian repository (e.g local files zarafa*.deb)? |
| 15:45.49 | Blackvel | i just re-install them manually from install dir? |
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| 15:46.23 | jordanm | Blackvel: what do you mean "what happens"? |
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| 15:46.43 | jordanm | Blackvel: it will install the same as anything else, only without apt's dependency resolution |
| 15:46.47 | Myth` | SerajewelKS & ernst - I thought auto eth0 was in addition to dhcp settings. Thanks alot it worked great! |
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| 15:47.49 | Blackvel | e.g some error message that the package could not be found in repository? |
| 15:48.06 | poincare101 | hello. What are some good non-free repos for debian? I need to install the sun java jre. |
| 15:50.50 | jordanm | Blackvel: paste the real error, don't summarize |
| 15:51.38 | poincare101 | ? |
| 15:51.42 | poincare101 | anyone? |
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| 15:57.00 | Blackvel | jordanm: it was /bin/ls: file or directory not found or for postfix from logfile syslogd: |
| 15:57.02 | Blackvel | master[8403]: fatal: master_spawn: exec /usr/lib/postfix/pickup: No such file or directory |
| 15:57.18 | Blackvel | : fatal: master_spawn: exec /usr/lib/postfix/smtpd: No such file or directory |
| 15:57.25 | Blackvel | the whole system didn't find any binaries anymore |
| 15:57.49 | Blackvel | would be nice to know what i should not repeat on my new system ;) |
| 15:57.57 | PsiKlops | jordanm: after the instuction from dpkg, i still have that message showing: http://pastie.org/1018916 |
| 15:58.04 | jordanm | Blackvel: that was after doing what now? |
| 15:58.20 | Blackvel | good question |
| 15:58.31 | jordanm | PsiKlops: well, dpkg's message was supossed to be done before the upgrade... |
| 15:58.33 | Blackvel | i believe it was "rm *" on / (which is was not) |
| 15:58.42 | jordanm | oh, its you |
| 15:58.45 | Blackvel | maybe apt-get installs, make install on geoip libs? |
| 15:58.57 | PsiKlops | what can i do now? |
| 15:59.03 | Blackvel | i played around monday evening with awstats + geoip c libs |
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| 15:59.14 | jordanm | PsiKlops: does the system boot? |
| 15:59.19 | PsiKlops | yes |
| 15:59.31 | jordanm | PsiKlops: what version is udev currently? |
| 15:59.34 | PsiKlops | but its still quite bsic |
| 16:00.23 | SerajewelKS | Myth`: np. and that's why you should read the manpage of a config file before tweaking it. ;) |
| 16:01.06 | jordanm | Blackvel: I have no idea how you toasted your box |
| 16:01.11 | Blackvel | in what log / database could i have a look what happend before 21:00 pm at latest (first error messages)? |
| 16:01.13 | PsiKlops | jordanm: 157 |
| 16:01.18 | Blackvel | me neither ;) |
| 16:01.20 | PsiKlops | -1 |
| 16:01.26 | _2point0 | Blackvel pretty much stay out of /dev and don't do anything as superuser (root) |
| 16:01.26 | PsiKlops | +157-1 |
| 16:01.31 | PsiKlops | lol no + |
| 16:01.33 | Blackvel | can a geoip library install get everything screwed? |
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| 16:02.21 | jordanm | ,versions udev |
| 16:02.23 | judd | udev -- etch: 0.105-4etch1; etch-security: 0.105-4etch1; lenny-security: 0.125-7+lenny1; lenny: 0.125-7+lenny3; sid: 157-1; squeeze: 157-1 |
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| 16:02.46 | jordanm | PsiKlops: what does uname -r say? |
| 16:03.05 | PsiKlops | 2.6.32-5-686 |
| 16:03.12 | _2point0 | sid |
| 16:03.14 | jordanm | Blackvel: I don't know what they do in their makefile, but typically an install does not delete other files, especially when they would not belong to it |
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| 16:04.42 | Blackvel | all files where on disc (echo * showed me) but where not callable anymore. and no, it seems to me that the libs where still on disc (/libs/glibc, etc) |
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| 16:05.21 | Blackvel | so usually it does not happen very often to all of you. very weird then |
| 16:07.28 | asdasd | helloy guys when i start my dhcp server i get this "Starting DHCP server: dhcpd3check syslog for diagnostics. failed!" |
| 16:07.39 | asdasd | but where can i see what the exact error is ? |
| 16:08.23 | _2 | asdasd /var/log/dhcp* |
| 16:08.32 | _2 | ? |
| 16:09.01 | jordanm | asdasd: /var/log/daemon.log |
| 16:09.02 | asdasd | i dont have a dhcp* |
| 16:09.19 | jordanm | _2: ^ that is the usual for init scripts |
| 16:09.32 | _2 | daemon.log or even messages |
| 16:09.36 | asdasd | thx |
| 16:10.09 | PsiKlops | jordanm: so i should reinstall? |
| 16:10.14 | _2 | i haven't setup a dhcpd so didn't know if it had it's own log file. i'm sure it could be configured that way |
| 16:10.53 | jordanm | PsiKlops: where do you see that erro? |
| 16:10.55 | jordanm | erorr |
| 16:10.58 | jordanm | fail... |
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| 16:11.27 | PsiKlops | when i boot... its a few lines above prompt |
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| 16:12.13 | _2 | odd error message here >>>root@localhost is not a valid email address. |
| 16:12.59 | jordanm | PsiKlops: see #581593 |
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| 16:13.20 | jordanm | _2: with the >>>? |
| 16:13.26 | _2 | no |
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| 16:18.53 | Genji | if I copy a real machine's filesystem to a virtual machine's hdd,, and have the real machine hosting the virtual machine.. can i upgrade the virtual machine's filesystem with no conflict, and complete reliablity that what doesn't break or does break on the virtual machine, is a real reflection on what will break or wont break on the real machine? |
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| 16:22.02 | rking | Genji: I'm pretty sure---what are you concerned with, some sort of copy-on-write scheme faking like it's doing a real copy? |
| 16:22.45 | Genji | rking: no. just don't want to upgrade stuff and find that i stuffed my work. |
| 16:23.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | jordanm, "where do you see that fail"? :-P |
| 16:24.41 | rking | Genji: But the fundamental doubt comes from you not being fully confident that there truly are 2 copies of the data, right? |
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| 16:25.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | Genji, hardware-dependent things would obviously be different with the simulated hardware than with the real one... |
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| 16:27.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | like the booting process itself or hardware-specific kernel modules |
| 16:27.11 | rking | Genji: Disregard my last, I was on crack (but now I'm not)---If you're really unsure, you could do a test run on a completely separate system. |
| 16:27.16 | do0ob | i seem to be a lot more productive when i can't use youtube |
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| 16:27.46 | rking | Genji: I think this is within the "Fortune Favors the Bold" threshold, and vote just go for it. |
| 16:27.57 | simonrvn | do0ob: no kidding |
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| 16:28.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | no offtopic kidding, anyway |
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| 16:29.04 | simonrvn | CutMeOwnThroat: mind reader |
| 16:29.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | :) |
| 16:29.15 | do0ob | simonrvn: yea i'm going to see how long i can go without entertainment while working, hopefully it'll be a permanent change |
| 16:29.25 | jhutchins_lt | Seriously? If I make a copy of a file tree and update the copy, does it affect the original? |
| 16:29.31 | jhutchins_lt | Only if voodo is involved. |
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| 16:30.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | jhutchins_lt, he wanted to know how well updating the copy will predict failure when updating the original... |
| 16:30.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think |
| 16:30.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's the mind reading that does it |
| 16:30.24 | Genji | CutMeOwnThroat, yes, exactly right. |
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| 16:30.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | jhutchins_lt, see? :) People never ask the question they want to ask :)) |
| 16:31.53 | simonrvn | EPARSE |
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| 16:32.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | simonrvn, what's the number of that error... you know we can't parse your error if you don't precede it with its number! |
| 16:32.51 | simonrvn | 666 |
| 16:33.03 | simonrvn | ;p |
| 16:33.23 | rking | Soo... is there a search engine that doesn't munch "special" characters? Sometimes I really mean foo.bar or $zib or @#$%, not "foo\s*bar" "zib" and "". |
| 16:33.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | is there anything besides google? |
| 16:34.04 | rking | CutMeOwnThroat: It's been about 9 years since I had to ask that question. |
| 16:34.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | because there pretty much isn't |
| 16:35.15 | simonrvn | 'munge' |
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| 16:36.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | munge money? |
| 16:36.10 | Shadowcat | is there a program that will tell you exactly which packages conflict with each other when you try and upgrade? |
| 16:36.20 | Shadowcat | I'm having trouble pinning down packages that don't play nice with each other |
| 16:36.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | not as such... there's aptitude why-not <package> |
| 16:36.51 | rking | simonrvn: Nope, munge means to mangle, and this is eat and throw away |
| 16:36.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | apart from that aptitude will tell you what it plans to do |
| 16:36.55 | jordanm | aptitude will inform you of conflicts upon install |
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| 16:37.28 | simonrvn | oh you did mean munch, ok. sorry dude, my brain is starving, so having parsing issues ;p. |
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| 16:37.36 | G69 | Bem-Vindo ao Mata-Mata |
| 16:37.53 | rking | simonrvn: Hehe, no problem---I'm sorry to be a counter-pedantic ground-holding tool on that one. =) |
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| 16:38.32 | Shadowcat | switches simonrvn's parser to Microsoft Parser 7 |
| 16:38.44 | simonrvn | no, it'll be worse |
| 16:38.54 | Shadowcat | that's the whole point :P |
| 16:39.02 | simonrvn | you meanie |
| 16:39.05 | jhutchins_lt | munge is more disruptive, munch is subtractive. |
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| 16:39.14 | Shadowcat | hey I'm trying to upgrade 1500 packages |
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| 16:39.16 | rking | simonrvn: I have seen a painful streak of people who are "keeping their sanity in tack" and other such sad phonetic lazinesses |
| 16:39.19 | Shadowcat | I've earned it :P |
| 16:39.29 | simonrvn | rking: omg |
| 16:39.32 | rking | (I had to go to facebook to find that one, I remembered there being one recently) |
| 16:39.37 | jhutchins_lt | rking: see "intact". |
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| 16:39.57 | jhutchins_lt | rking: Ah, I see. |
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| 16:40.05 | rking | Not even quotation marks spare me from correction! =~( |
| 16:40.54 | rking | OK, somebody ask a debian question really quick so I can make penance for my off-topic conversation. |
| 16:41.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | "seen a painful streak of people"... you're teasing us |
| 16:41.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 16:41.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | ok, let me make up one |
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| 16:42.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | ok, wtf is this doing in my dmesg output: [243356.825308] Slow work thread pool: Starting up |
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| 16:43.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | sounds like the machine knows about my work style :( |
| 16:43.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | or adapted it |
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| 16:44.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, found it: http://lwn.net/Articles/329464/ - you missed your chance, rking |
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| 16:45.17 | rking | CutMeOwnThroat: Darnit! |
| 16:45.27 | rking | Is there a way I can just buy an indulgence on this one? |
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| 16:46.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | no way |
| 16:46.40 | simonrvn | no, buy a vowel like the rest of us |
| 16:47.01 | mms_ | I screwed by 128GB usb flash while using wintoflash. It hung and then on rebooting the usb drive is not readable any more. this was all on xp. then I took usb flash to debain and it mounts it as vfat but just 2GB. what can I do to fix it ? |
| 16:48.03 | SerajewelKS | mms_: repartition and format |
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| 16:49.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | save what you can... partition, mkfs.vfat /dev/yourstick1 |
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| 16:50.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | feels like |
| 16:50.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | !friday |
| 16:50.04 | dpkg | i guess friday is tardsday eve eve, or ! ! ! F R I D A Y ! ! ! |
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| 16:51.43 | mms_ | I tried using cfdisk but it is unable to partition. |
| 16:52.06 | mms_ | I guess not unable to partition but unable to make file system |
| 16:52.34 | mms_ | I choose fat16 and it said disk too big. I choose fat32 and it said error. could not re-read partition table. |
| 16:52.53 | mms_ | I rebooted and it is able to write to it but then in XP its still unreadable. |
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| 16:54.35 | asdasd | can somebody help me with dhcp-helper is there anybody here that ever worked with it? |
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| 16:57.47 | Shadowcat | anyone know why gnome would insist that the network is disconnected while I'm using the rest of the network apps just fine? |
| 16:58.13 | Shadowcat | the little network manager in the system notification area insists on displaying a disconnected icon |
| 16:59.04 | jhutchins_lt | mms_: What filesystem did it come with? |
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| 17:00.01 | jhutchins_lt | asdasd: What problem are you having with it? |
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| 17:01.14 | asdasd | i get this "dhcp-helper: cannot bind DHCP server socket: Address already in use" when i start it |
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| 17:01.43 | asdasd | i think i'm trying to start it when its already started. but i cannot find the config file where should i configure dhcp-helper |
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| 17:03.04 | mms_ | jhutchiins_lt: I have no clue |
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| 17:04.43 | mms_ | I thought all usb flash come with same file system. it was working on windows fine... |
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| 17:06.07 | mms_ | I wanted to install xp on netbook so tried using wintoflash and it screwed things up |
| 17:06.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | mms_, cfdisk is not putting a filesystem on it - I told you how to do that |
| 17:07.18 | mms_ | cutmeownthroat: on debian its recogzined as /dev/sda1. please tell me commands. when you say partition do I use cfdisk to make partition ? |
| 17:07.43 | mms_ | cmot: when making partition does it ask for size ? |
| 17:07.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | asdasd, when do you get that? If one's already running and functioning, you can probably ignore this? |
| 17:07.52 | jhutchins_lt | asdasd: dpkg -L dhcp-helper will list the files installed. |
| 17:08.17 | jhutchins_lt | asdasd: It's probably enabled and started by a script in /etc/init.d/ |
| 17:08.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | mms_, I thought you _did_ partition it |
| 17:08.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | if the stick is /dev/sda, what are your regular disks? |
| 17:08.34 | mms_ | cmot: if I did then it was just 2GB... |
| 17:08.49 | mms_ | cmot: regular are /dev/hda |
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| 17:09.07 | jhutchins_lt | mms_: Of the top of my head I'm not sure, but I think 128G exceeds the capability of the old DOS filesystems (FAT), so it might have been NTFS if it was windows readable. |
| 17:09.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | so cfdisk /dev/sda only shows you a maximum space of 2GB? |
| 17:09.24 | jhutchins_lt | mms_: Take a look at whether the filesystems you're trying to use can handle that big a disk., |
| 17:09.29 | mms_ | cmot: yes |
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| 17:10.16 | asdasd | jhutchins i get this http://www.nopaste.nl/?paste=1872 |
| 17:10.17 | mms_ | jhutchins_lt: I read that hp usb format tool can be used to format it using fat32. I currently doing it but it is showing no progress for about half hour now. |
| 17:10.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | jhutchins_lt, unlikely.. fat32 can do.... -> see factoid url |
| 17:10.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | !filesystem comparison |
| 17:10.43 | dpkg | i heard filesystem comparison is http://linuxgazette.net/102/piszcz.html or http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ or http://linuxgazette.net/122/piszcz.html, or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_file_systems |
| 17:11.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | jhutchins_lt, "Maximum volume size" -> 512 MB to 8 TB |
| 17:11.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | anyway, seems it's already failing when he tries to partition |
| 17:11.25 | mms_ | the hp usb disk format too ...started out to check device, partition...it came back taking to much time...I said cancel....then it says formatting...I see nothing on progress bar... |
| 17:11.34 | mms_ | cmot: cool... |
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| 17:12.27 | mms_ | cmot: came back saying failed to format device... |
| 17:12.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | mms_, what does pastebin the output of fdisk -l /dev/sda |
| 17:12.40 | mms_ | cmot: hold on... |
| 17:13.01 | jhutchins_lt | CutMeOwnThroat: Ok, I was thinking 12 or 16 which are used by some USB drives. |
| 17:13.11 | _2 | running lenny with kde but when i try to ssh it somehow does a /usr/lib/gnome-keyring/gnome-keyring-ask which wont accept paste in anyone have a solution ? |
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| 17:13.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | jhutchins_lt, although one has to kind of wonder about "512 MB to 8TB"... that's quite a span |
| 17:13.53 | jhutchins_lt | Flash drives do fail. |
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| 17:14.20 | x0x | viva la debian |
| 17:14.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | this is a bit weird - but yes, if fdisk shows the maximum size wrong, it's incorrectly detected |
| 17:14.24 | mms_ | how do I have it to recognize ? |
| 17:14.45 | mms_ | I plugged the drive in but its not showing up in mount nor df |
| 17:15.22 | jhutchins_lt | cues the funary music. |
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| 17:16.00 | jhutchins_lt | mms_: How long have you had this drive? |
| 17:16.13 | mms_ | I got it week back... |
| 17:16.33 | jhutchins_lt | mms_: It won't show in mount or df until you mount it. fdisk -l will show it if it's unmounted. |
| 17:17.45 | mms_ | fdisk -l shows me /dev/sda1....2022MB |
| 17:17.45 | mms_ | partition table msdos |
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| 17:17.51 | jhutchins_lt | mms_: This is good. |
| 17:17.56 | mms_ | oh worng info |
| 17:17.57 | jhutchins_lt | You have one 2G partition on it. |
| 17:17.58 | mms_ | not really |
| 17:18.13 | jhutchins_lt | fdisk is reading the partition table. |
| 17:18.31 | mms_ | fdisk -l showed me nothing for usb flash... |
| 17:18.36 | jhutchins_lt | open it with fdisk, choose p to write the table, compare end cylinders. |
| 17:18.37 | mms_ | I need to reboot it then it will... |
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| 17:18.52 | jhutchins_lt | mms_: Not likely to have any effect, but feel free. |
| 17:19.05 | jhutchins_lt | p to _display_ the partition table that is. |
| 17:19.34 | mms_ | well fdisk was unable to get hold of /dev/sda1... |
| 17:19.43 | mms_ | If I reboot I know it mounts it as vfat. |
| 17:19.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | can you either pastebin the whole output of fdisk -l /dev/sda or at least tell us what it shows for total size? |
| 17:20.07 | mms_ | cmot: give me few min I will... |
| 17:20.10 | jhutchins_lt | ot |
| 17:20.14 | mms_ | I am rebooting |
| 17:20.32 | jhutchins_lt | It's possible that it's not detecting as sda, dmesg or /var/log/syslog would say. |
| 17:20.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | like Disk /dev/sda: XXX GB, YYY bytes |
| 17:20.39 | _2 | i can't pastebin anything. |
| 17:20.43 | mms_ | cmot: I will... |
| 17:20.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, would be weird if you need to reboot... |
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| 17:21.08 | mms_ | cmot: I know... |
| 17:21.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | that would more like indicate something is wrong with your usb... hardware? |
| 17:21.33 | mms_ | cmot: same happens if I dont get eth0 configured...I have to reboot... |
| 17:22.03 | Shadowcat | Resolving dependencies on 10,000 packages |
| 17:22.05 | catim | Do you recommend apt or aptitude? |
| 17:22.05 | Shadowcat | please wait forever |
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| 17:22.56 | simonrvn | !why aptitude |
| 17:22.56 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often find a solution where apt-get gives up. It can be used from the command line like apt-get plus an interactive resolver makes it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). |
| 17:23.21 | catim | simonrvn: thanks! |
| 17:23.21 | Shadowcat | simonrvn: now we just have to ensure it can troubleshoot 10,000 dependency errors |
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| 17:24.08 | rysiek|pl | yello |
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| 17:24.23 | mms_ | cmot: http://pastebin.com/1kVgTdhw |
| 17:24.34 | rysiek|pl | guys, is there a way to get debian-testing netinstall ISO on an USB stick and actualy be able, you know, t install debian? |
| 17:25.00 | Shadowcat | why do you need testing? |
| 17:25.10 | rysiek|pl | I tried using unetbootin, it boots, instalation starts - and then tries to "mount cdrom" |
| 17:25.31 | mms_ | cmot: see /dev/sda shows 2 GB only |
| 17:25.38 | Justin | rysiek|pl: put the .iso on the usb drive |
| 17:25.47 | rysiek|pl | Shadowcat: because I have a stable system for day-to-day use (Kubuntu Lucid) and I finally want to set-up Debian as a second system on my laptop |
| 17:26.02 | rysiek|pl | Justin: aaaye? *just* the ISO? |
| 17:26.05 | _2 | why.... http://198.42.42.252:15871/cgi-bin/blockpage.cgi?ws-session=4160920994 |
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| 17:26.12 | Justin | rysiek|pl: no, in addition to the files you already have |
| 17:26.14 | rysiek|pl | Justin: "put" as in "cp" or as in "dd" |
| 17:26.16 | rysiek|pl | aah |
| 17:26.28 | rysiek|pl | Justin: ok, what then? |
| 17:26.32 | rysiek|pl | will it find it? |
| 17:26.36 | Shadowcat | rysiek|pl: is there any reason why you can't virtualize that debian system? |
| 17:26.37 | Justin | rysiek|pl: yes |
| 17:26.55 | mms_ | cutmeownthroat: I provided pastebin url... |
| 17:26.58 | strwag | rysiek|pl: ja przeszlem z ubuntu na debian i nie zaluje |
| 17:27.01 | Shadowcat | debian testing is a PITA at the moment |
| 17:27.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | mms_, don't see that you can do much about that, then... that's how your stick is recognized |
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| 17:27.30 | mms_ | cutmeownthroat: oh....128GB is now just 2GB ! |
| 17:27.32 | rysiek|pl | strwag: ja zaczynaÅem od Debiana lata temu, ale dużo lepiej mi siÄ siedziaÅo na Ubu. DebianzostaÅ u mnie na serwerach :) |
| 17:27.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | and that's got nothing to do with the content... either it _is_ a 2GB stick or it's broken |
| 17:27.50 | rysiek|pl | Shadowcat: yes. I do not want to. ;0 |
| 17:27.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | are there 128GB sticks anyway? |
| 17:28.00 | mms_ | yes... |
| 17:28.02 | rysiek|pl | Shadowcat: I want to have a bootable, full-blown debian system on my disk |
| 17:28.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | anyway, that doesn't have anything to do with the content of the stick |
| 17:28.19 | strwag | rysiek|pl: i use debian on desktop and is ok |
| 17:28.20 | Shadowcat | rysiek|pl: install Lenny and upgrade your way up |
| 17:28.21 | rysiek|pl | Shadowcat: PITA's okay, as I said, I have a stable, day-to-day system |
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| 17:28.41 | rysiek|pl | Shadowcat: you mean dist-upgrade to Squeeze? |
| 17:29.00 | Shadowcat | yeah... wouldn't recommend that |
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| 17:29.04 | Shadowcat | but in a nutshell, yes |
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| 17:29.22 | rysiek|pl | besides, what's the PITA actually? |
| 17:29.28 | Shadowcat | pain in the ass |
| 17:29.32 | jordanm | !udev squeeze |
| 17:29.32 | dpkg | As of <udev> 150 in squeeze, Linux kernel 2.6.27 or newer is required (i.e. upgrade kernel and udev at the same time). If udev installation fails and you already have a squeeze kernel installed, then reboot into the new kernel and "aptitude -f install ; aptitude safe-upgrade" to continue. See also <squeeze kernel>, <kernel abi>, http://bugs.debian.org/571255 |
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| 17:29.41 | rysiek|pl | yeah, I know the full text :) |
| 17:29.44 | jhutchins_lt | mms_: Return to vendor? |
| 17:29.49 | rysiek|pl | Shadowcat: I'm asking about the *reasons* |
| 17:30.22 | rysiek|pl | as in "what's so FUBAR that it's worse than a PEBKAC" ;) |
| 17:30.26 | mms_ | jhutchins_lt: I screwed it doing wintoflash still ? also I bought it from ebay... |
| 17:30.29 | RFleming | Greetings. I need a bit of help with my system. For 427 days it was fine, now it won't boot. I've got fakeraid and LVM on top. When booting run-init says that /sbin/init is invalid and the kernel panics. Booting into the system with a recovery CD, md1 is resyncing and all my partitions in the LV check out fine without errors |
| 17:30.45 | RFleming | is MD1's resyncing causing my problems, or is there something else? |
| 17:30.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | mms_, this rebooting stuff is funny - you might try at a different computer - but there's nothing you can do about what you see there (nothing I know of in any case) |
| 17:30.55 | Shadowcat | rysiek|pl: I've been troublesorting package dependencies on debian testing/unstable for two hours now |
| 17:30.59 | Shadowcat | with no end in sight |
| 17:31.07 | mms_ | things like dd can help ? |
| 17:31.22 | jordanm | !tell Shadowcat about bat |
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| 17:31.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | mms_, how do you know it's 128GB? |
| 17:31.44 | mms_ | do I type eject /dev/sda1 and then remove the disk ? |
| 17:31.49 | rysiek|pl | Shadowcat: well... I'll try testing anyway |
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| 17:31.56 | Shadowcat | !beat jordanm |
| 17:31.56 | dpkg | beats jordanm with a large stick. |
| 17:31.59 | rysiek|pl | Shadowcat: but thanks a lot for the heads-up |
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| 17:32.16 | Shadowcat | it's not about me not knowing what I'm doing |
| 17:32.25 | Shadowcat | it's more about aptitude struggling with all the packages on my system |
| 17:32.35 | mms_ | or should I umount it ? |
| 17:32.44 | Justin | just uses apt-get, aptitude is slow and tries to be too smart |
| 17:33.22 | RFleming | can anyone help me out? |
| 17:33.26 | jordanm | I found many cases where apt-get plain won't install a package, where aptitude is smart enought to figure it out |
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| 17:34.16 | jordanm | thinks the "slow" is very negligable if you switched from especially after making the switch from gentoo to debian |
| 17:34.27 | Justin | hah :) |
| 17:34.44 | jordanm | edited that after he typed it, which is why it came out badly... |
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| 17:36.06 | jhutchins_lt | RFleming: I'm gonna go with the resync being the problem - let it complete and see what happens then. |
| 17:36.07 | _2 | just uses apt because aptitude is...... not installed.. |
| 17:36.22 | jhutchins_lt | _2: Unlikely unless you removed it. |
| 17:37.11 | HackeMate | hello, i wish you have a nice weekend |
| 17:37.29 | _2 | jhutchins didn't remove it. purged it. |
| 17:37.53 | Shadowcat | new solution |
| 17:37.59 | HackeMate | i am using debian lenny, and i like share as streaming some mp3 and films i have, is there any tool to do this in a soft way? |
| 17:38.03 | RFleming | jhutchins_lt, I was thinking the same thing, but the question left to ask is this. How come I can mount my LV on the resyncing fakeraid in recovery mode, but I can't boot off of it :) |
| 17:38.15 | Shadowcat | instead of waiting for aptitude to sort out all the KDE dependency problems |
| 17:38.19 | Shadowcat | just uninstall KDE |
| 17:38.20 | _2 | HackeMate vlc |
| 17:38.34 | abrotman | _2: i think he means like icecast ? |
| 17:38.43 | HackeMate | but vlc i need select one per one clip i want to stream, and i would like something like a samba server but streaming |
| 17:38.44 | _2 | oh |
| 17:38.46 | HackeMate | does that exist? |
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| 17:38.58 | HackeMate | icecast, i'll read, sounds what i need |
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| 17:39.51 | abrotman | !tell HackeMate about icecast |
| 17:40.11 | abrotman | HackeMate: i don't think icecast does video, but it sounds like the idea you want |
| 17:40.25 | jhutchins_lt | Shadowcat: You seem to be having a great deal of trouble with things that other people just go off and have a cuppa while they resolve themselves. |
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| 17:40.54 | HackeMate | by the moment is perfect, mp3 were the first point, thanks - you always have a smart answer for all |
| 17:41.09 | abrotman | cries |
| 17:41.39 | jordanm | !beer abrotman |
| 17:41.39 | dpkg | pours a litre of Jever for abrotman |
| 17:41.44 | abrotman | no mas |
| 17:41.44 | Shadowcat | well.... not really |
| 17:41.49 | Shadowcat | wasn't using KDE anyways |
| 17:42.37 | _2 | wonders why kde calls /usr/lib/gnome-keyring/gnome-keyring-ask when he trys to ssh |
| 17:42.41 | Bushmills | icecast does ogm video, afaik |
| 17:43.03 | jhutchins_lt | shoutcast? |
| 17:43.19 | Shadowcat | KDE was really a legacy on this machine from another time |
| 17:43.25 | Shadowcat | all this machine does is act as a serer |
| 17:43.27 | Shadowcat | server |
| 17:43.35 | Shadowcat | don't need KDE for that |
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| 17:44.06 | xxtjaxx | Shadowcat: lemme guess KDE 3.5? |
| 17:44.30 | Shadowcat | worse, 4.2 |
| 17:44.49 | jordanm | ah, outdated testing/unstable on a server.... |
| 17:44.51 | jhutchins_lt | Icecast: A GPL streaming media server project that currently streams in MP3 format, with plans to add support for video and Vorbis formats. |
| 17:44.59 | jhutchins_lt | From their web page. |
| 17:45.11 | Shadowcat | jordanm: yes, which is why I'm updating it |
| 17:45.37 | jordanm | Shadowcat: chance that your server applications are in for an API change |
| 17:45.55 | Shadowcat | not really |
| 17:45.59 | Shadowcat | it's not that big of a server |
| 17:46.02 | Bushmills | jhutchins_lt: i *did* stream video with icecast, but there was a restriction of what formats one could use |
| 17:46.17 | Shadowcat | hmm... there's a package called gir1.0-freedesktop |
| 17:46.20 | jordanm | Shadowcat: that doesn't matter when the default python changes... or php |
| 17:46.27 | Shadowcat | anyone else see how that name could be misinterpreted |
| 17:46.31 | _2 | !icecast2 |
| 17:46.37 | Shadowcat | jordanm: it's not an application server |
| 17:47.13 | jordanm | well, its not really a server if it does not host any services. those were just examples |
| 17:47.28 | Shadowcat | small home soho server |
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| 17:48.11 | jordanm | !soho |
| 17:48.11 | dpkg | somebody said soho was small office, home office. South of Houston street lower Manhattan, NYC. wheee |
| 17:48.44 | jordanm | hasn't a clue what soho is, and apparently wikipedia doesn't either |
| 17:48.57 | Shadowcat | a couple of p2p clients, file services, some home brew web dev |
| 17:48.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | but dpkg does |
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| 17:49.10 | Shadowcat | oh and xchat to keep me on IRC |
| 17:49.10 | Shadowcat | and that's about it |
| 17:49.13 | jordanm | CutMeOwnThroat: doesn't know what the software "soho" is |
| 17:49.37 | jordanm | oh, small office, home office |
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| 17:49.56 | jordanm | then wikipedia did know that |
| 17:50.01 | mms_ | cmot: it was fat32 originally but now with hp utility it tries formatting and says volume too big for file system fat32... |
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| 17:50.16 | abrotman | mms_: cut<tab> |
| 17:51.16 | mms_ | abrotman: hi...what is cut... |
| 17:52.10 | abrotman | mms_: try typing in IRC "cut<tab>" instead of 'cmot' |
| 17:52.27 | abrotman | your IRC client should expand it to CutMeOwnThroat and then he will get a highlight |
| 17:52.28 | mms_ | abrotman: cool...I see .... |
| 17:53.22 | mms_ | so any knows how I can regain my 128gb usb flash ? I tried unix parted and it thinks its just 2gb. |
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| 17:53.39 | cobra-the-joker | hey guys ... i installed sun's JAva with a .sh file.... but i cant find the command "java" in the terminal and other applications which use Java dont open ..... any suggestions ? |
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| 17:54.25 | mms_ | cobra-the-joker: if you installed check its on path....set java_home as needed... |
| 17:54.27 | aryaeskan | you need to add it to the path |
| 17:54.41 | cobra-the-joker | mms , i have its paths |
| 17:54.42 | jordanm | cobra-the-joker: use debian's sun java, otherwise, seek support from oracle |
| 17:55.01 | mms_ | cobra-the-joker: meaning is it on path var? echo $PATH and check... |
| 17:55.10 | jhutchins_lt | mms_: You could try various formatting tools, you could even try formatting it from Windows. |
| 17:55.13 | duxklr | cobra-the-joker: did you check /usr/java/bin/java |
| 17:55.20 | jhutchins_lt | mms_: s/formatting/partitioning/ |
| 17:55.21 | duxklr | (just a guess) |
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| 17:55.40 | mms_ | ok |
| 17:55.41 | cobra-the-joker | duxklr , should i make a link for the java directory to that directory ? |
| 17:55.46 | abrotman | mms_: when you plug it into your system, what does dmesg say ? |
| 17:55.49 | jordanm | java is typically /usr/bin/java and it is handled by debian's alternatives system |
| 17:55.56 | duxklr | setting your $PATH variable is probably better |
| 17:55.57 | abrotman | update-java-alternatives |
| 17:55.59 | jordanm | cobra-the-joker: why are you not using the debian package? |
| 17:56.14 | duxklr | don't sym link it will break the debian package |
| 17:56.17 | jordanm | duxklr: why is that better than installing debian packages? |
| 17:56.19 | cobra-the-joker | jordanm , i have a netbeans bundle ..and its the best java version ever worked with me |
| 17:56.38 | duxklr | jordanm: it is not, but since that is what he did I want to make sure he knows what happened. |
| 17:56.41 | jordanm | cobra-the-joker: netbeans is also packaged for debian |
| 17:56.53 | aryaeskan | just set the path in .bashrc |
| 17:56.58 | cobra-the-joker | jordanm , in stable i think they wont get 6.8 |
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| 17:57.28 | jordanm | cobra-the-joker: nope, what did that add? |
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| 17:57.45 | jordanm | !why is netbeans-ide not in testing |
| 17:57.46 | dpkg | netbeans-ide is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=netbeans-ide |
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| 17:58.04 | cobra-the-joker | jordanm , really good stuff |
| 17:58.18 | cobra-the-joker | its a huge improvement over 6.7.1 |
| 17:58.25 | cobra-the-joker | more comfortable with it |
| 17:59.31 | jordanm | cobra-the-joker: I was suggest seeking support from the netbeans people, who are more familar with how there java is installed |
| 17:59.35 | cobra-the-joker | abrotman , i dont have update-java-alternatives ... i only have "update-alternatives" |
| 17:59.51 | jordanm | cobra-the-joker: like others said, you can alter your $PATH, but typically there are nother env variables needed for java to properly function |
| 18:00.03 | jordanm | s/nother/other |
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| 18:00.25 | cobra-the-joker | jordanm , how can i alter the $PATH of java |
| 18:01.03 | jordanm | cobra-the-joker: its not the PATH of java, its your shell's PATH. again, I suggest upstream support |
| 18:01.22 | cobra-the-joker | jordanm, ok |
| 18:01.26 | cobra-the-joker | thanx for help any way |
| 18:01.53 | rysiek|pl | o..k, so I placed debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso on the pendrive |
| 18:02.02 | aryaeskan | damn, I just typed out what he needed to add to .bashrc |
| 18:02.05 | rysiek|pl | the installer does not automagically see and mount it. |
| 18:02.24 | rysiek|pl | do I understand correctly I need to move to the second console and mount the iso manually? |
| 18:02.29 | rysiek|pl | and where should I mount it? |
| 18:02.35 | jordanm | rysiek|pl: did you follow the install guide? there is a good chance that installer is broken |
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| 18:03.33 | rysiek|pl | nonetheless |
| 18:03.47 | rysiek|pl | where should I (should I?) mount the iso in the installer? |
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| 18:04.07 | rysiek|pl | so that I can *try* to install debian testing from the pendrive |
| 18:05.22 | jordanm | rysiek|pl: that is typically done automatically. what boot.img.gz did you use? |
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| 18:06.07 | rysiek|pl | jordanm: I took the iso; uset unetbootin to throw it at my pendrive; copied the ISO to the pendrive; booted the machine from the pendrive |
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| 18:06.33 | jordanm | rysiek|pl: I have never known unetbootin to work for debian. follow the official guide |
| 18:06.40 | _L30_ | i was compiling a kernel |
| 18:06.54 | rysiek|pl | jordanm: and where is the official guide for installation from a pendrive? |
| 18:06.55 | jordanm | !tell rysiek|pl about usb install |
| 18:07.03 | rysiek|pl | thnks a lot |
| 18:07.07 | jordanm | rysiek|pl: in the official install guide. np |
| 18:07.07 | _L30_ | and when i run the make build i get the following error http://a.pastebin.com/j9Qr1L3F |
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| 18:08.25 | _L30_ | jordanm: any idea on it? |
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| 18:10.19 | _L30_ | guys help me please |
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| 18:11.33 | abrotman | _L30_: why are you compiling a kernel ? |
| 18:11.46 | _L30_ | patching them with squashfs+lzma |
| 18:11.46 | gancient | Hi all, sorry to be a little off topic. Building apps (eg KDE applications) on Intel Core i3 as compared to core2duo with similar clock speed, any experiences ? |
| 18:11.50 | rozie | _L30_: where did you got the source, what's your Debian version, do you use kernel-package, what version? |
| 18:12.06 | _L30_ | rozie: 2.6.34 from kernel.org |
| 18:12.06 | jhutchins | abrotman: They don't usually work unless you compile them. |
| 18:12.24 | rozie | (two questions left) |
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| 18:13.10 | pipeline | gancient: in theory, clock for clock, an i3 is going to be a little faster than a core 2 duo. There's a lot more going on during compilation than just CPU crunching, though. I/O and interrupt load are important. |
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| 18:14.12 | rozie | _L30_: so? need 2 more answers... |
| 18:14.35 | _L30_ | what are those two? |
| 18:14.44 | _L30_ | lenny |
| 18:15.12 | _L30_ | currently running 2.6.26 default kernel |
| 18:15.24 | rozie | do you use kernel-package, what version? |
| 18:15.30 | abrotman | jhutchins: nott funny |
| 18:15.45 | gancient | pipeline: Then a moderate CPU with more RAM and Faster HDD would be much faster than a CPU with more clock speed ? |
| 18:16.06 | _L30_ | yes i got the kernel-package installed - the default one i got with sudo apt-get |
| 18:16.16 | mms_ | I am trying formating exFAT using win7...I guess then may be some how I can atleast use it to full capacity... |
| 18:16.21 | Bushmills | gancient: depends on the task |
| 18:16.26 | _L30_ | could be the lateste |
| 18:16.36 | rozie | _L30_: you probably need newer kernel-package in order to use 2.6.34 |
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| 18:16.48 | _L30_ | rozie: yes thats the new one |
| 18:16.51 | mms_ | once done I guess I will try to partition it so I can get 128GB and see if I can use fat32 on it... |
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| 18:17.03 | dv- | debian experimental has 2.6.34 |
| 18:17.06 | rozie | _L30_: it's not new if it's from lenny |
| 18:17.09 | rozie | gimme version |
| 18:17.18 | _L30_ | how do it get to know it |
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| 18:17.35 | frikinz_ | _L30_: http://lkml.org/lkml/2010/5/12/335 |
| 18:17.38 | abrotman | there is a .32 in backports.org that would be a much better choice |
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| 18:18.23 | gancient | Bushmills: pipeline : i would use the laptop for minor development work. Building medium sized applications, right now i am working on digikam -> KDE |
| 18:18.31 | tdp | _L30_, dpkg -l kernel-package |
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| 18:19.03 | _L30_ | 11.015 |
| 18:19.27 | gancient | Bushmills: pipeline : would the build time vary significantly ? |
| 18:19.31 | abrotman | i don't think the kernel-package in lenny can compile the .34 |
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| 18:20.07 | Bushmills | gancient: development is more disk-heavy than cpu heavy. compilation increases cpu load, but still tends to be rather disk-heavy |
| 18:20.23 | rozie | _L30_: you need at least version from testing |
| 18:20.40 | gancient | Bushmills: ok |
| 18:20.46 | _L30_ | rozie: i also have the testing repos so i hope that gets installed |
| 18:20.47 | rozie | and a lot of dependencies |
| 18:21.41 | rozie | _L30_: it will, but it's unwise (and people here will eat you), especially for a person who doesn't know how to check package version |
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| 18:22.09 | rozie | _L30_: why do you want 2.6.34? |
| 18:22.32 | rozie | you'd better stick to 2.6.32, as abrotman sadi |
| 18:22.35 | rozie | said* |
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| 18:23.29 | _L30_ | ok |
| 18:23.50 | Dassu | NOT OKEI |
| 18:23.52 | _L30_ | nothing specific like 2.6.34 but that sources are handy with me right now |
| 18:24.37 | _L30_ | rozie: yea Im n00b with linux ...yet i give a try |
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| 18:27.45 | _L30_ | sorry If i sound foolish to you |
| 18:28.06 | rozie | no you don't |
| 18:28.31 | rozie | you're just going to break things up in a moment |
| 18:28.34 | rozie | ;) |
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| 18:32.10 | HackeMate | hi, i have a memory stick that gparted can't format or delete partition, seems like read-only but doesnt have any button to set it |
| 18:32.13 | HackeMate | is it broken? |
| 18:32.50 | HackeMate | anyway it works, i can read its content and open files |
| 18:32.53 | HackeMate | but cant modify them |
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| 18:36.43 | _L30_ | fixed it with squeeze sources 12.033 |
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| 18:37.59 | jhutchins_lt | HackeMate: That's not a common failure mode. |
| 18:38.11 | jhutchins_lt | HackeMate: Usually if they fail they're unreadable. |
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| 18:41.50 | do0ob | HackeMate: is it old? maybe they ran out of write cycles? |
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| 18:49.44 | mms_ | my usb flash I lost chance to fix it.....win 7 was able to recognize it as 128GB and I choose (not quick format)....it was too slow so I cancelled...now win 7 thinks its just 2.7 GB..... |
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| 18:53.39 | jhutchins_lt | mms_: I guess now you know why they don't recommend interrupting a format. |
| 18:54.01 | jhutchins_lt | mms_: So was this the origin of the problem, or was this after something similar happened in Linux? |
| 18:55.32 | mms_ | jhutchins_lt: wintoflash was origin of problem...I interrupted it when I saw it was taking too long..no progress for half hour.... |
| 18:55.44 | mms_ | I once again made same mistake... |
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| 18:56.31 | mms_ | in win 7 in volumes tab it shows capacity as 130000MB but in the capacity in actual volumes is shows just 3 gB. |
| 18:56.48 | mms_ | dont know what I can do to fix it... |
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| 19:02.18 | owen1 | what is the command to change timezone? |
| 19:02.31 | owen1 | i remember it's ncurses or something similar |
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| 19:04.25 | acathur | dpk-reconfigure tzdata |
| 19:04.32 | acathur | dpkg* |
| 19:05.39 | owen1 | acathur: 10x |
| 19:06.47 | abrotman | !set the time |
| 19:06.47 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install <ntp> or <openntpd> to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. You may also need to run dpkg-reconfigure tzdata (lenny and later) or tzconfig (etch and earlier) to set the time zone, and verify the UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS prior. |
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| 19:08.43 | LemensTS | hey all, im looking to build a router out of linux that is capable of vlans and has an easy to use gui for setup and maintenance, what do you reccomend I look at? |
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| 19:10.54 | jhutchins_lt | mms_: Well, you can figure out where the partition table is on the drive and wipe it out with dd - not much to loose at this point. |
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| 19:13.08 | jhutchins_lt | LemensTS: dd-wrt |
| 19:13.11 | keith4 | LemensTS: monowall |
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| 19:13.39 | ampex | keith4: m0n0wall isn't linux |
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| 19:13.49 | keith4 | true |
| 19:14.20 | ampex | LemensTS: pfSense or m0n0wall are very nice, although based on FreeBSD, not linux |
| 19:14.34 | keith4 | I would guess that hardly matters to someone who has "easy to use gui" on the requirement list |
| 19:14.37 | ampex | LemensTS: I've replaced all routers I'm in control of with pfSense |
| 19:14.42 | ampex | keith4: true |
| 19:15.29 | keith4 | i used monowall for a number of years, before switching to lenny on an old sparc box |
| 19:15.34 | keith4 | never had any trouble |
| 19:17.10 | jhutchins_lt | Nice thing about a wrt is you don't have all the noise, heat, and volume of a klunker PC. |
| 19:17.39 | jhutchins_lt | just powered down an old PITA Gentoo 2.4 firewall and replaced it with dd-wrt on a wrt. |
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| 19:17.45 | LemensTS | Cool we will look into all 3. Its for a company that was asking me, they have some techs that need gui. I run dan's guardian at home. Thanks |
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| 19:27.37 | brixsat | hello |
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| 19:27.51 | brixsat | hellowhere can i find the driver for ubuntu lenny of an ati radeon x2300 |
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| 19:30.46 | bergquist | brixsat: if you are running ubuntu lucid then you should only need to click on "System -> Administration -> Hardware Drivers" and select to use the ATI Catalyst driver that is in the repo... |
| 19:30.47 | czesmir | hi all |
| 19:31.15 | bergquist | brixsat: if you are using debian lenny... download the drivers from amd.com |
| 19:31.37 | brixsat | bergquist, ok ill search |
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| 19:33.01 | brixsat | bergquist, there is no driver for debian systems :( |
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| 19:34.22 | jordanm | bergquist: why would he be running ubuntu lucid and asking for help in #debian? |
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| 19:34.29 | Lincoln | For NVIDIA, I downloaded drivers listed under Linux 64 for my Debian Lenny 64 box. |
| 19:34.30 | eKyNoX | Hello |
| 19:35.14 | jordanm | bergquist: and why would you recommend he install the unsupported-by-debian drivers from ati.com? |
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| 19:35.49 | tlarson | what's the command to verify whether the files installed by a package have been modified? |
| 19:36.05 | jordanm | tlarson: debsums |
| 19:36.14 | tlarson | thanks |
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| 19:37.39 | bergquist | jordanm: because he said ubuntu lenny... easy to mix up... but you are right... it's #debian... no reason actually to point him to the blobbinary... but they have worked best for me |
| 19:37.56 | brixsat | i said ubuntu lenny |
| 19:38.12 | amphi | brixsat: you did? |
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| 19:38.47 | brixsat | amphi, i think not |
| 19:38.52 | brixsat | um usind debian lenny |
| 19:39.01 | jordanm | brixsat: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 19:39.02 | amphi | what a relief ;) |
| 19:39.11 | brixsat | if so i must apologize |
| 19:39.32 | frikinz_ | brixsat: you said the same in #radeon |
| 19:39.33 | eKyNoX | I got a problem, i'm using a fresh debian squeeze install with xorg and gnome. I would like to keep the resolution i was having while using console before installing nvidia drivers. It seems when i install nvidia driver it recompile kernel without option i was having before for console resolution. Any idea ? |
| 19:39.50 | brixsat | Squeze/sid :o |
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| 19:40.03 | tlarson | 5 is lenny, right? |
| 19:40.35 | bergquist | yupp |
| 19:40.49 | tlarson | ty |
| 19:40.50 | brixsat | tlarson, yes |
| 19:40.52 | jordanm | eKyNoX: framebuffer drivers often conflict with xorg drivers, and I believe the new nvidia packages blacklist noveau that would have handled the framebuffer |
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| 19:41.13 | jordanm | brixsat: pastebin: apt-cache policy dpkg libc6 |
| 19:41.22 | bergquist | brixsat: did you try, apt-cache search radeon |
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| 19:42.58 | eKyNoX | jordan : thanks for the answer and excuse my bad english, maybe it's not simple to understand me :) Where can i find that nouveau nvidia packages ? |
| 19:43.22 | jordanm | eKyNoX: you have to make a choice between it and the proprietary drivers |
| 19:43.28 | brixsat | jordanm, http://compiz.pastebin.com/ckXY7d5e |
| 19:43.34 | brixsat | bergquist, no |
| 19:44.00 | jordanm | brixsat: why do you have so many main repos? |
| 19:44.10 | brixsat | jordanm, maybe from an update :S |
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| 19:44.25 | jordanm | brixsat: updates don't add repos |
| 19:44.34 | jordanm | and your really running a testing/unstable mix... |
| 19:44.37 | jordanm | you're |
| 19:44.41 | ppp | I tried the nouveau driver and it seems to work really badly. they are worse than nv driver for 2d |
| 19:44.51 | eKyNoX | jordan : noway to use nvidia proprietary drivers and framebuffer? Maybe recompiling kernel ? |
| 19:45.00 | jordanm | ppp: still heavily in development, things should improve |
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| 19:45.31 | ppp | i hope so |
| 19:46.03 | jordanm | eKyNoX: not with noveau. try adding something like this to your boot arguements: video=uvesafb:mtrr:3,ywrap,1024x768-24@60 |
| 19:46.28 | ppp | I could not see the bottom of the screen |
| 19:46.35 | jordanm | I would suggest doing it manually from the grub menu, so that it does not prevent you from booting otherwise |
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| 19:46.56 | eKyNoX | jordan: i'll try and search some documentation, thanks |
| 19:47.19 | jordanm | eKyNoX: http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Framebuffer |
| 19:47.55 | smv | with the proprietary nvidia driver i have to first login in gnome, then ctrl+f8 and then ctrl+f7, and only then i can switch to console with ctrl+f1 |
| 19:47.57 | jordanm | eKyNoX: that page describes some of the arguements you can use. ignore the rest |
| 19:48.25 | jordanm | smv: sounds like a bug |
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| 19:48.43 | unstinting | "DCOPClient ::attachInternal. Attach failed Could not open network socket" what the heck? |
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| 19:50.19 | eKyNoX | ok jordan |
| 19:50.32 | smv | jordanm, it's been the same for at least 6 months, since i use debian exclusivelly, not sure it's really a bug, might be related to settings in xorg.conf, i guess |
| 19:50.39 | jordanm | unstinting: wikipedia seems to indicate that dbus replaced DCOP |
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| 19:50.44 | eKyNoX | found these lines in grub2 config file |
| 19:50.46 | eKyNoX | # Set the framebuffer resolution; used on tty/console [text consoles] |
| 19:50.47 | eKyNoX | GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX=1920x1200 |
| 19:50.53 | jordanm | smv: do you use testing/unstable? |
| 19:51.06 | jordanm | eKyNoX: you mean the one that says do not edit this file at the top? |
| 19:51.27 | smv | jordanm, undestable with a few packages from experimental |
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| 19:51.33 | smv | *unstable |
| 19:51.49 | mul4 | вÑем пÑÐ¸Ð²ÐµÑ |
| 19:52.17 | eKyNoX | i don't know if it's permit to edit or not that file, anyway i tried before coming in that channel :) |
| 19:52.21 | jordanm | smv: well, it sounds like a bug to me, and you should be quite familar with the bts. if you don't have proprietary drivers you can probably safely rm xorg.conf |
| 19:52.25 | mul4 | Ð²Ð°Ñ ÑÑо вÑеÑ
зомби ÑÑели??? |
| 19:52.36 | mul4 | оо кÑо Ñо еÑÑÑ!!! |
| 19:52.36 | amphi | !tell mul4 -about ru |
| 19:52.44 | jordanm | eKyNoX: you want /etc/default/grub, but I recommended doing it at the grub menu first, so it will not be premanent |
| 19:53.38 | mul4 | не понÑл( ÑÑо по ÑÑÑÑки нелÑзÑ??? |
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| 19:54.51 | asdasd | i have installed squid as proxyserver but when i start it i get this http://www.nopaste.nl/?paste=1874 how can i fix this |
| 19:54.53 | brixsat | any one with Squeze/sid ? |
| 19:55.02 | smv | jordanm, like i said, am using the proprietary driver and so, i ain't gonna remove xorg.conf, but i don't really use the console that much and i can live with that trick to get to it :) |
| 19:55.16 | eKyNoX | ok, thanks, try to do this to see if it's resolving my box startup resolution |
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| 19:55.38 | smv | brixsat, me, why? |
| 19:56.01 | eKyNoX | jordan: it's grub2 so it's grub.cfg file |
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| 19:57.01 | jordanm | eKyNoX: you DONT edit that file, like it says on the top |
| 19:57.07 | jhutchins_lt | eKyNoX: Is that the right one of the twenty-leven files to edit? |
| 19:57.08 | brixsat | smv, can you pastebin the apt sources.lst? |
| 19:57.18 | jhutchins_lt | Ah, of course not. |
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| 19:57.27 | jordanm | eKyNoX: you edit /etc/default/grub like I said earlier, then you use update-grub2 to generate a new grub.cfg (which may fail if oyu have hand-edited grub.cfg) |
| 19:57.46 | jair | jordanm: hey man, thank you so much for the help with grub config, I am now working on setting up the time out for the monitor to turn off etc,... DPMS configuration. but there is not xorg.conf |
| 19:57.49 | tlarson | where do I find a mirror that still has the etch packages? |
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| 19:58.28 | jordanm | jair: you can generate a default one with: X -configure OR X -configure :1; if you are already running X |
| 19:58.28 | ppp | can someone explain why when I try any driver other than nvidia, during the boot, at some point the console resolution change? |
| 19:58.29 | poisonbit | archive.debian.org |
| 19:58.30 | eKyNoX | jordan: ok |
| 19:58.39 | tlarson | poisonbit: again, thank you |
| 19:58.44 | unstinting | jordanm: i dont mind. but how to rid of that? system cant work properly now. for example i see the message when type ls command instead of listing files... |
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| 19:59.21 | jair | jordanm: I am running X server and gnome, it is required for the users they have vmware workstation running on Linux... Until I implement kvm. |
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| 19:59.45 | jordanm | unstinting: ls returns that error? |
| 19:59.56 | jair | jordanm: so even after I install the X server and gnome I will need to generate that xorg.conf |
| 19:59.56 | brixsat | smv, can you? |
| 19:59.57 | unstinting | jordanm yep |
| 19:59.58 | smv | brixsat, http://paste.debian.net/plainh/02f22fba replace ro with your country code |
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| 20:00.02 | lamdk | noob question here... you can install debian on a extended partition right? |
| 20:00.04 | brixsat | thanks :) |
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| 20:00.12 | smv | lamdk, yes |
| 20:00.23 | jordanm | jair: I think you can use gnome-screensaver or gnome-power-manager to set the monitor to shut off |
| 20:00.45 | jordanm | unstinting: what does "type ls" say? |
| 20:01.16 | jair | jordanm: hmmm yes but in the past I do not need to install any other packages since Xserver can control all that with DPMS |
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| 20:01.50 | jordanm | jair: that stuff should be apart of the gnome meta package, but X -configure :1 is what you want to generate xorg.conf |
| 20:02.18 | unstinting | jordanm: exactly that "DCOPClient ::attachInternal. Attach failed Could not open network socket" |
| 20:02.21 | smv | brixsat, you can also replace unstable with sid in those 2 lines |
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| 20:02.32 | jair | this is what I need to put in the xorg.conf => http://paste.debian.net/78787 |
| 20:02.51 | jordanm | unstinting: type is a builtin... so, what did you do cause it? |
| 20:03.15 | jordanm | jair: so generate, edit, and restart X |
| 20:03.28 | asdasd | hello guys i have installed a squid proxy server but when i visit a website i get access denied this is my config http://www.nopaste.nl/?paste=1875 |
| 20:03.43 | jair | jordanm: that command will not change anything from the current configuration right, the way gnome is working is good except the monitoring turing off too early, etc... |
| 20:03.55 | jair | jordanm: got it =) |
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| 20:04.04 | jair | jordanm: let me try that now. |
| 20:04.17 | pkkm | How to copy an entire partition from one disk to another? |
| 20:04.21 | jhutchins_lt | asdasd: Might be a good question for #squid |
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| 20:06.10 | jhutchins_lt | pkkm: rsync |
| 20:06.48 | pkkm | jhutchins_lt, thanks |
| 20:07.03 | jair | jordanm: this is what I got =( -----> http://paste.debian.net/78789 |
| 20:07.11 | brixsat | smv, only those 2 lines? |
| 20:07.37 | jair | jordanm: do I need to run the command as regular user? I did run it as root. |
| 20:08.03 | jordanm | jair: you're running testing/unstable on a work machine? |
| 20:08.04 | jhutchins_lt | unstinting: It sounds like you're running in some sort of forwarded X environment using a GUI. |
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| 20:08.13 | unstinting | jordanm: tryed to place a little bash script into /bin dirrectory. there was only one string refering to dcop function in it. |
| 20:08.15 | smv | brixsat, those 2 are for unstable which is the same thing as sid. i suppose you don't need the experimental lines |
| 20:08.18 | eKyNoX | Back, Jordan ? |
| 20:08.22 | jordanm | jair: that is a testing/unstable bug in the vmware video driver, remove it |
| 20:08.52 | eKyNoX | jordanm : That works, i got my nvidia drivers and console who is in 1024*768 mode :) Thanks a lot |
| 20:08.53 | jordanm | eKyNoX: any luck? |
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| 20:09.01 | jordanm | eKyNoX: ah, excellent :) |
| 20:09.04 | eKyNoX | :) |
| 20:09.16 | jair | jordanm: this is a machine that will be in use to run vmware workstation, I already installed successfully 64bit. They are looking for a virtualization software user friendly from those coming from windows and windows 32 versions of vmware. |
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| 20:09.30 | jordanm | unstinting: well "type" is a shell builtin, its not even executing a binary |
| 20:09.38 | jordanm | unstinting: what does echo $SHELL say? |
| 20:09.50 | eKyNoX | just pushed my win to the trash and i'm on debian now, so take as usual to see me here in that channel :) |
| 20:10.09 | brixsat | smv tanks |
| 20:10.22 | jordanm | jair: if its not the guest, then you don't need it. why are you running testing/unstable on production equipment?! |
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| 20:10.43 | jair | interesting this is debian linux testing (squeeze) I wonder why is using vmware driver on a bare metal linux system? |
| 20:11.13 | jair | jordanm: this is not production this is a development / testing machine now. |
| 20:11.14 | jordanm | jair: its trying to probe _all_ the drivers on -configure, the vmware one happens to segfault |
| 20:11.24 | jhutchins_lt | jair: Any reason not to run vmware? |
| 20:11.37 | jordanm | jair: aptitude remove xserver-xorg-video-vmware |
| 20:11.41 | jhutchins_lt | jordanm: We've seenthat before. |
| 20:11.56 | jair | jordanm: can I skip that one driver? this is on the host not a guest. I am not running winows ate servers at all. Just linux |
| 20:12.15 | jordanm | jair: you can if you just remove the package like I suggested |
| 20:12.21 | unstinting | jodanm: now i started in runlevel 1 and $SHELL returns nothing. |
| 20:12.36 | jair | jhutchins_lt: well looks like the vmware driver is giving me an error as you can see my paste url. |
| 20:12.40 | jordanm | unstinting: you mean single-user mode? |
| 20:12.52 | jair | jordanm: will do that right now |
| 20:12.52 | jordanm | unstinting: and its "echo $SHELL" |
| 20:12.53 | unstinting | jordanm: yes |
| 20:13.32 | jordanm | unstinting: also, *never* put local application in /bin /usr/bin etc. it belongs in /usr/local/bin |
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| 20:13.46 | unstinting | jordanm: /bin/bash |
| 20:14.05 | jordanm | unstinting: does the system appear to be functioning in single-user mode? |
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| 20:14.47 | FabParma | Why Debian require so many dvd to make a normal installation? I just checked, are 6 DVD's... |
| 20:15.15 | jhutchins_lt | FabParma: Many options are available. |
| 20:15.22 | jordanm | FabParma: you only need the 150mb netinst cd. those DVDs contain the entire repo |
| 20:15.29 | jhutchins_lt | FabParma: Internationalization, many different types of software available. |
| 20:15.47 | jordanm | sorry, entire "main" repo |
| 20:15.47 | FabParma | jhutchins_lt: ok, I agree |
| 20:16.50 | FabParma | but should not more easyer to cerate a single cd with the base on it and let choose the user which packs or languages to choose? |
| 20:17.23 | jordanm | FabParma: there are CDs as well |
| 20:17.24 | FabParma | if I dont mistake many distro do this |
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| 20:17.52 | FabParma | jordanm: are single cd max 700 mb |
| 20:17.57 | FabParma | thats it |
| 20:18.05 | jordanm | I am not sure about languages but there are disks for various DEs and things. I recommend the netinst, especially if you have a connection during installation |
| 20:18.06 | FabParma | une single |
| 20:18.13 | jordanm | FabParma: which is enough for many installations |
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| 20:19.22 | unstinting | jornanm: it works |
| 20:19.34 | FabParma | I tried the net install, its very unconfortable |
| 20:20.18 | jordanm | FabParma: unconfortable? the other discs use the same installer |
| 20:20.19 | mguy | Download just the first CD orDVD then |
| 20:20.58 | jair | jordanm: it looks like generated an xorg.conf in the "/root" directory... but I still get this failed message -----> http://paste.debian.net/78790 |
| 20:21.02 | FabParma | I try to launch the idea to create a Debian startup cd |
| 20:21.21 | jhutchins_lt | FabParma: That's why there are so many options, everybody's got their own idea. |
| 20:21.54 | jair | jordanm: doesn't suppouse to be at "/etc/X11/xorg.conf"? |
| 20:22.00 | FabParma | one single bootable cd with all the basics to startup a Debian |
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| 20:22.12 | unstinting | jordanm: but something strange with it. for example i can't login in X as normal user. |
| 20:22.55 | jordanm | jair: no, it places in /root so that it does not overwrite your existing. you just need to move it to the proper location |
| 20:23.00 | FabParma | ok, i just tried to explain my point of view |
| 20:23.04 | jordanm | jair: if the file looks alright, I would ignore the message |
| 20:23.17 | jordanm | unstinting: you should not be able to in single user mode |
| 20:23.21 | FabParma | thank you for commenting |
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| 20:23.32 | FabParma | and attention to me |
| 20:24.07 | jhutchins_lt | FabParma: Actually, I think there's a 'minimal install' CD that does that. |
| 20:24.31 | jordanm | yes, the netinst |
| 20:24.46 | jair | jordanm: alright I guess I will move it to the configuration directory of X server "/etc/X11/" and rename it to ---> xorg.conf then do the changes for the monitor and observe. |
| 20:24.50 | jordanm | even allows for selecting your preferred DE |
| 20:25.09 | unstinting | jordanm: sorry. i meant it just halted |
| 20:25.14 | jordanm | jair: if you are not familar with what a complete xorg.conf, you can pastebin and I will have a look |
| 20:25.30 | jordanm | unstinting: restore from a backup |
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| 20:26.53 | jhutchins_lt | jordanm: I thought there was an image that would do a minimal install off-line, just enough to get on-line and start apt-getting stuff. |
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| 20:27.26 | FabParma | jhutchins_lt: no, Gnome or KDE are excluded, nedds a network connection, time to download. In more it is frustring to choose every single piece when basically the base things that all use are always the same |
| 20:27.28 | jordanm | just noticed he has a 1GB ~/.xsession_errors file |
| 20:27.32 | mguy | You can do a pretty minimal install with the first CD, no server, no desktop stuff, etc |
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| 20:27.55 | jordanm | FabParma: they are not on the CD, but can both be directly installed from it. Did you read the installation guide? |
| 20:28.05 | jhutchins_lt | FabParma: Well, gnome and kde aren't necessary for things like routers and servers, and there are tasks for most generic options. |
| 20:28.12 | jair | jordanm: here I think it looks alright ----> http://paste.debian.net/78792 All I need to do I think is add the option for "ServerFlags" |
| 20:28.20 | mguy | What exactly is the installer CD downloading when it says "fetching 1 of 5 files" and takes a long time? |
| 20:28.31 | jhutchins_lt | mguy: files. |
| 20:28.38 | mguy | Granted I am on a T1, but i wish it would just install and then let me update later. |
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| 20:28.44 | do0ob | this is terrible, i can't watch hd video in flash player anymore :( |
| 20:28.53 | mguy | New package lists I would assume? |
| 20:28.55 | jhutchins_lt | mguy: Most likely .deb files that are software packages, possibly large ones. |
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| 20:30.14 | unstinting | jordanm: no backup... |
| 20:30.32 | FabParma | I mean a start up single cd with the basic component for an soho user desktop pc |
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| 20:30.54 | mguy | FabParma: The first CD will do what you want |
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| 20:33.03 | jair | jordanm: did you have a chance to check the xorg.conf generated? |
| 20:33.10 | jhutchins_lt | FabParma: There's so much more that debian can do. |
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| 20:34.53 | jhutchins_lt | FabParma: Other distros don't tend to be very good at anything BUT a soho desktop. |
| 20:35.18 | jordanm | jair: looks fine, assuming nouveau is intended |
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| 20:36.56 | jair | jordanm: nouveau is intended? what does that mean? |
| 20:37.28 | FabParma | mguy: yes, normally I do this, but I think that should be specified in the download page. I am sure that many possible users get impressed when the producer says that the disto is 31 cd-rom. May be should be better to specificate that for the start up with all basics components it is enough *only the first cd* . In my opinion, this thing turn away many possible Debian users |
| 20:37.50 | jair | jordanm: booting the system and letting it on see if turn off the monitor in an hour |
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| 20:40.44 | mguy | FabParma: The official Debian Installation Guide (tm) says "Although a full set of binary packages requires several CDs, it is unlikely you will need packages on the third CD and above." |
| 20:41.36 | mguy | But i do understand what you're saying. And they do tell you to get the netinst. But long, long ago I downloaded ALL the cdrom's before beginning my install. Big mistake ;) |
| 20:42.05 | FabParma | Imagine, if you are not an expert, but you want try the most secure, longeval and stable distro named Debian. Get the download page and discovery that the distro is 31 cd's, can you imagine what the user does? |
| 20:42.39 | mguy | I would probably come into IRC and ask |
| 20:42.49 | Bushmills | he might read what he needs |
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| 20:42.51 | mguy | Or read the install manual BEFORE downloading |
| 20:43.03 | mguy | Nothing like wasting 2 days downloading stuff and finding out the hard way that your machine isn't supported |
| 20:43.13 | Bushmills | if he can't read, he'll go to ubuntu |
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| 20:44.06 | jair | jordanm: sorry but english is my second language and I did not understand what you meant with the last comment ---->assuming nouveau is intended |
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| 20:45.02 | jhutchins_lt | FabParma: Why should we cater to people who don't read the instructions? Let some other distro or OS have those users. We prefer users who use their brains. |
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| 20:46.13 | amphi | mmm, brains⦠|
| 20:46.15 | CodeNinja | I've got an hp mini 210, its got a broadcom 4312 chip in it.. I cannot get wireless to work at all.. I tried ndis, and I tried the b43-fwcutter, neither of them worked |
| 20:46.25 | CodeNinja | suggestions? |
| 20:46.36 | broy- | ndiswrapper :p |
| 20:46.38 | CodeNinja | throws beer cans at goose |
| 20:46.43 | cahoot | get its pciid |
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| 20:47.04 | CodeNinja | broy-: it kept telling me that the ndiswrapper module was not loaded |
| 20:47.06 | goose | I love you CodeNinja <3 |
| 20:47.23 | CodeNinja | I did not see any *ndis* entries in modprobe -l |
| 20:47.27 | CodeNinja | :) goose |
| 20:47.28 | nox | I got another problem, installing my usb wifi using http://wiki.debian.org/zd1211rw but wlan0 don't show up, any idea about this ? |
| 20:47.44 | cahoot | nox: missing firmware? |
| 20:48.20 | CodeNinja | cahoot: 14e4:4315 ? not sure if thats it, got that from lspci -nn |
| 20:48.38 | jhutchins_lt | tell CodeNinja about bcm4312 |
| 20:48.42 | cahoot | , pciid 14e4:4315 |
| 20:48.43 | judd | [14e4:4315] is 'BCM4312 802.11b/g LP-PHY' from 'Broadcom Corporation' with no known kernel module in lenny but has kernel module 'ssb' in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=14e4:4315 http://wiki.debian.org/wl and the out-of-tree 'wl' module. |
| 20:48.53 | jhutchins_lt | !tell CodeNinja about bcm4312 |
| 20:48.53 | FabParma | What I told is not for my benefit luckily, I am a UNIX sysadmin. I just did want to highlight a little ring in the chain that in my opinion can discourage new interested user. That'it |
| 20:48.59 | unstinting | jordanm: it seems like i've found out what happened)) accidentally replaced /bin/ls with my script! |
| 20:49.09 | nox | cahoot: installed, using apt-get install wireless-tools zd1211-firmware without any problems |
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| 20:49.44 | cahoot | nox: unload/reload zd1211rw and check dmesg for any compliant |
| 20:50.35 | jhutchins_lt | ndiswrapper never did work all that well for broadcoms. |
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| 20:50.55 | cahoot | nox: IIRC there used to be some troubled with the debian provided firmware - might be a solved issue |
| 20:51.14 | broy- | never had problems with ndiswrapper (good for lazy couchpotatoes), but im on atheros |
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| 20:51.55 | cahoot | nox: http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/zd1211rw#Firmware |
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| 20:52.17 | smacnay | is there a clipboard manager for gnome? |
| 20:52.35 | cahoot | glipper? |
| 20:52.36 | nox | cahoot : using modprobe ? |
| 20:52.48 | CodeNinja | cahoot: thanks for that link at wiki.debian.org, I'll see if this works |
| 20:52.59 | cahoot | nox: modprobe yes |
| 20:53.06 | smacnay | cahoot, I installed but it is not "available" for the toolbar addons. |
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| 20:54.29 | jhutchins_lt | CodeNinja: Did you get that message about the 4312 from dpkg? |
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| 20:55.28 | CodeNinja | jhutchins_lt: I did, it seemed like the same info, also, the wiki.debian.org/wl link worked like a charm |
| 20:55.29 | CodeNinja | :> |
| 20:55.31 | CodeNinja | dances |
| 20:55.37 | CodeNinja | one step closer to getting this thing off my table |
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| 20:57.36 | jhutchins_lt | W00t! |
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| 20:57.57 | nox | cahoot : unloaded and loaded zd1211rw and no changes, iwconfig stay without wlan0 wireless extension |
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| 20:58.26 | cahoot | nox: checked dmesg for any complaint? |
| 20:58.50 | nox | i did dmesg but lot of lines |
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| 20:59.12 | cahoot | you're interested in the last 10-20 or so |
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| 20:59.47 | nox | last line : [ 1583.047473] usbcore: registered new interface driver zd1211rw |
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| 21:00.00 | nox | nothing more |
| 21:00.03 | deStone | i am running a debian webserver that allows free hosting -- several phishers are putting up fake facebook pages -- whats a good way to monitor text files (continiously) or nightly for keywords located in the facebook signup page? |
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| 21:00.10 | cahoot | nox: no mention of firmware loade/missing? |
| 21:00.47 | cahoot | nox: anyway - http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/zd1211rw#Firmware |
| 21:00.48 | nox | cahoot : that's strange because with another debian install before, it was working directly, since i installed my nvidia drivers, won't work |
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| 21:01.19 | jhutchins_lt | deStone: I'd find a way to avoid hosting phishers, like requiring a verifiable contact address. |
| 21:01.31 | ArmEagle | Hi, I should have looked into this before. But I need to maximize the size of an extended partition. Disk is setup like this : [1] 32.3kB-255MB primary (boot), [2] 255MB-15.4GB extended, [5] 255MB-15.4GB (logical, lvm). The disk is 160GB though, so I want to extend the extended partition, then create a partition after [2]. So, first things first. What tool to extend the extended part.? |
| 21:01.34 | jhutchins_lt | deStone: There are ways to scan the files using tools like grep. |
| 21:02.04 | jhutchins_lt | deStone: There's the AOL principle though - if you monitor for phishing and fail, you're responsible for it. |
| 21:02.08 | deStone | i need to look into that -- i just figured it might be a bit too intensive to run on a high io webserver though. |
| 21:02.48 | ArmEagle | (LVM still confuses me, only using it since the debian install defaulted to it (i think) |
| 21:03.10 | jhutchins_lt | ArmEagle: 1) back up any partitions contained in the logical partition. 2) delete them, delete the logical partition. 3) Create new partitions of the correct size. |
| 21:03.15 | deStone | we are using recaptcha now + email verification ... |
| 21:03.25 | deStone | or about to start |
| 21:03.32 | jhutchins_lt | ArmEagle: You do not need a logical partition if you will have four or fewer partitions without it. |
| 21:03.47 | CodeNinja | one other question |
| 21:04.07 | CodeNinja | on this laptop, it seems that you have to press the Fn key to make it not be the Fn information when it comes to the f1-12 keys... |
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| 21:05.17 | jhutchins_lt | CodeNinja: There are special keyboard templates in the hotkeys package. |
| 21:05.17 | ArmEagle | jhutchins_lt: ah yeah, now you say that... anyway, lets see and try that (actually dd-ed one disc to the larger new one, only now thinking of extending the space. I want to be sure the old partitions are there in the exact same way so it will still boot) |
| 21:05.54 | jhutchins_lt | ArmEagle: rsync is a good way to do backups that can be restored to modified partitions. |
| 21:06.27 | Guest89542 | can we send text/html email using the `mail` command ? |
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| 21:06.59 | ArmEagle | I'll just do as you said, recreate a larger extended part. create the old lvm at slightly larger size (then dd that partition back over from the old drive) and add a new partition in the now extra space |
| 21:07.04 | jhutchins_lt | Some of us can - where'd he go? |
| 21:07.35 | jhutchins_lt | ArmEagle: If you dd a partition, it will be the same size as the original partition. |
| 21:08.32 | ArmEagle | yeah, i mean, just slightly larger to be sure it fits a few 'bits' of wasted space doesn't hurt too bad |
| 21:08.46 | RFleming | Greetings! I think my initramfs image is foobared. Immediately after kinit starts a normal boot, run-init: /sbin/init dies with the error "No such file or directory". The kernel then panics and I'm hung out. Adding init=/bin/bash to the grub line, run-init fails with the same error for bash |
| 21:08.52 | RFleming | Is my initramfs dead? |
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| 21:10.19 | jhutchins_lt | RFleming: Possibly your drive mapping in your grub config is incorrect. Or the initramfs. Did you mess with it? |
| 21:10.31 | unstinting | what's the right way to reinstall coreutils, please. |
| 21:10.59 | RFleming | jhutchins_lt, running for 427 days, and then a reboot and pfft. :) root=/dev/mapper/proxy_vg-root ... that is correct |
| 21:11.22 | RFleming | booting from a CD and mounting the VG, the filesystem is fine |
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| 21:11.37 | RFleming | that's why I'm guessing it's initramfs |
| 21:11.50 | CodeNinja | jhutchins_lt: hm, it didnt seem to help :\ |
| 21:12.23 | jhutchins_lt | CodeNinja: Suggest searching on your laptop model then. Does it matter which desktop you use? |
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| 21:12.58 | CodeNinja | jhutchins_lt: planning on gnome tbh |
| 21:13.06 | CodeNinja | if it was mine, I wouldnt care |
| 21:13.17 | CodeNinja | but I'd rather not have to support this user as much as possible |
| 21:14.16 | jhutchins_lt | CodeNinja: Just wondering on which level the mapping is messed up, BIOS, console, Xorg... |
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| 21:15.08 | CodeNinja | jhutchins_lt: ah, well I am unaware that f1-12 keys do anything in console |
| 21:15.10 | jair | jordanm: I was timing the monitor and turned off after 40 min =( I added 60 in the configuration file |
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| 21:15.12 | CodeNinja | bios they do whatever |
| 21:15.27 | CodeNinja | but in desktop, I have to fn+alt+f2 to run something |
| 21:15.37 | CodeNinja | if I alt+f2 or f2 the brightness goes down |
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| 21:16.23 | jhutchins_lt | Amusing. |
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| 21:17.26 | CodeNinja | jhutchins_lt: lol wait, I think I have a hack for this.. |
| 21:18.15 | CodeNinja | I will just set the f1-12 keys to do what the fn+f1-12 is supposed t |
| 21:18.15 | CodeNinja | o |
| 21:18.15 | CodeNinja | lol backwards |
| 21:18.22 | RFleming | jhutchins_lt, So how would I go about rebuilding the initramfs? |
| 21:18.30 | RFleming | or even to check if it is pooched? |
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| 21:19.56 | jhutchins_lt | RFleming: It's unlikely to have changed unless you updated the kernel or something. |
| 21:20.03 | jhutchins_lt | RFleming: Can you boot to single user mode? |
| 21:20.12 | RFleming | No, dies the same way |
| 21:20.35 | ghenry | Is this the right guide to follow to rebuild my xen amd64 kernel with a 1khz timer? |
| 21:20.35 | ghenry | http://wiki.debian.org/HowToRebuildAnOfficialDebianKernelPackage |
| 21:20.40 | jhutchins_lt | RFleming: Boot it to a live/rescue CD and check the disk. |
| 21:21.01 | RFleming | jhutchins_lt, Done. fakeraid is fine, LVM VG is fine, all partitions are clean. |
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| 21:22.20 | jhutchins_lt | RFleming: you could try backing up the initramfs and using the one from the rescue CD you used. |
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| 21:22.57 | RFleming | could do that, |
| 21:23.01 | RFleming | let me try |
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| 21:24.21 | lfitz | is there a gui tool for user administration, i dont have users-admin... |
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| 21:25.23 | RFleming | jhutchins_lt, I think there may have been a backup of initramfs already in /boot |
| 21:25.37 | CodeNinja | ar |
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| 21:25.42 | CodeNinja | slaps the right click |
| 21:25.42 | CodeNinja | wtf |
| 21:25.47 | CodeNinja | of all things not to work |
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| 21:29.53 | jhutchins_lt | suspects that fakeraid and lvm have bitten yet another butt. |
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| 21:32.17 | RFleming | jhutchins_lt, I don't see how. it all is functioning... even putting init=/bin/bash... run-init still dies immediately after kinit. |
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| 21:34.12 | RFleming | jhutchins_lt, there indeed was a initramfs.*.bak file in the boot partition |
| 21:34.39 | RFleming | but it dies too |
| 21:35.10 | jhutchins_lt | RFleming: Suggesting that the real problem is with partition mapping. |
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| 21:35.46 | RFleming | jhutchins_lt, alright. I made a change to the root= portion of the grub command, and changed it so it doesn't point to /dev/mapper/proxy_vg-root |
| 21:36.04 | RFleming | I then get the (initramfs) busybox prompt |
| 21:36.20 | RFleming | and I can mount -t ext3 /dev/mapper/proxy_vg-root /root |
| 21:36.31 | RFleming | I can't continue because I gave it an invalid root path |
| 21:36.38 | jhutchins_lt | RFleming: Which suggests that initramfs is fine, but drive mapping within it may be messed up, or within grub, or within lvm. |
| 21:36.39 | RFleming | but it mounts without incident |
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| 21:37.24 | RFleming | jhutchins_lt, well within LVM it has to be fine, otherwise I wouldn't be able to mount the VG's off the CD to run fsck on them |
| 21:37.54 | RFleming | and the fakeraid has to be fine because I can access all my VGs inside LVM |
| 21:39.09 | jhutchins_lt | RFleming: Yes, but somewhere the _mapping_ is off, the identification being used by init doesn't match the physical layout any more. |
| 21:40.11 | ArmEagle | hmm, dd-ing a partition instead of a disk now, is that always slower or am I just unlucky? |
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| 21:41.25 | RFleming | jhutchins_lt, I turned off quiet and splash |
| 21:41.37 | RFleming | kjournald starts |
| 21:41.47 | RFleming | EXT3-fs mounted filesystem with ordered data |
| 21:41.58 | RFleming | begin: Running /scripts/local-bottom |
| 21:42.01 | jordanm | jair: make sure you have ntp installed, and you clock is moving at the proper speed |
| 21:42.09 | RFleming | done, done |
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| 21:42.38 | RFleming | Begin: Running /scripts/init-bottom ...done run-init: /sbin/init: No such file or directory |
| 21:42.41 | CodeNinja | what... the bloody.....f......wtf.. |
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| 21:42.48 | CodeNinja | right click for this laptop |
| 21:42.50 | CodeNinja | is like.. |
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| 21:42.53 | CodeNinja | ON THE EDGE OF THE LAPTOP |
| 21:44.40 | RFleming | jhutchins_lt, so it appears to be mounting the VG, as it recognises that it's ext3 and starts some scripts. I guess run-init is running /sbin/init off of the VG |
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| 21:46.08 | rottenrecords | Is there a way to specify the device name of a particular drive? |
| 21:46.58 | jhutchins_lt | rottenrecords: Yes. |
| 21:47.02 | jair | jordanm: ohhh ok well I actually found a native driver from nvidia, and I am trying to install it, what I need is to set the variable on my path to make the compiler gcc 4.3 used instead of the gcc 4.4 |
| 21:47.14 | jair | jordanm: I am googling how to set that. |
| 21:47.23 | jordanm | jair: you need to use the debian packages, others are not supported |
| 21:47.26 | rottenrecords | jhutchins_lt: how do I do it? my device names keep changing when I insert/remove drives from my hotswap rack |
| 21:47.31 | jordanm | jair: module-assistant handles the building for you |
| 21:47.35 | jordanm | !nvidia |
| 21:47.35 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers . If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Testing users: ask me about <nvidia squeeze>. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net). |
| 21:47.54 | jordanm | jair: also, the debian packages ensure that noveau is blacklisted, otherwise they will not work |
| 21:48.05 | jhutchins_lt | rottenrecords: Try using UUID's for them. |
| 21:48.24 | jair | jordanm: hmmm interesting |
| 21:49.06 | jordanm | jair: there is dkms now too, although its likely that it has not been tested a lot |
| 21:49.27 | jair | so I should not use the native driver on squeeze. It is not supported though but it may work. I just need to set the variable to the gcc 4.3 because it is by default using gcc 4.4 and I have both on debian squeeze |
| 21:49.28 | jordanm | !nvidia squeeze |
| 21:49.28 | dpkg | The nvidia drivers currently in squeeze are compatible with the squeeze kernel. No need for a testing/unstable mix now. Use either module-assistant or DKMS to compile them; ask me about <nvidia m-a> <nvidia dkms>. They are incompatible with <nouveau> <KMS> (nouveau kernel module blacklisted as of nvidia-kernel-common 20100522). |
| 21:49.41 | rottenrecords | jhutchins_lt: thanks, I think this is what I've been looking for |
| 21:49.56 | jordanm | jair: not supported means you need to go elsewhere to ask about it |
| 21:50.36 | jair | jordanm: right... But I am asking how can I set the variable to make debian compile with gcc 4.3 instead of gcc 4.4 |
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| 21:50.55 | jair | jordanm: this may be very good test to see if it actually works |
| 21:50.55 | jordanm | CC= |
| 21:51.05 | jordanm | jair: what is the point? |
| 21:51.26 | dkr | jair: CC=/usr/bin/gcc-4.3 |
| 21:51.44 | jordanm | jair: for the bonus of getting to manually update your nvidia drivers each time your kernel updates, and driver updates? |
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| 21:52.27 | jordanm | (dkms eliminates this) |
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| 21:53.34 | jair | jordanm: yep, I see it did not work, at least the nvidia installer did not complained about the gcc 4.3 now. But still did not work there is an error log but will not look into it now. Like you said let me use something supported |
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| 21:55.53 | jair | thank you dkr =) |
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| 22:06.43 | k\t | echo "pkg_nm hold" | dpkg --set-selections is sexy.. |
| 22:07.12 | k\t | damn, i almost blew one.. |
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| 22:07.52 | rottenrecords | gross |
| 22:08.05 | k\t | kinda |
| 22:08.53 | jair | jordanm: check the difference betweend this machine using debian lenny 5.0.4 ----> http://paste.debian.net/78802 and this is the current machine I am working on w510 lenovo with debian squeeze ----> http://paste.debian.net/78801 Notice the difference on the line #26 |
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| 22:09.58 | jair | jordanm: the machine running nvidia driver for xorg configured with the ServerFlags to turn off in 3600 = 60min works it shows on the xset -q results but not on the squeeze one. |
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| 22:11.14 | rottenrecords | if i wanted to create the bash equivalent of an internet shortcut, would i just create a shell script that opens lynx to the page i want? |
| 22:11.17 | jordanm | jair: nvidia provides its own tool for generating a xorg.conf, nvidia-xconfig and a gui for later editing, nvidia-settings |
| 22:11.38 | rottenrecords | or is there an easier way to do it |
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| 22:12.44 | jair | jordanm: right |
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| 22:13.10 | jordanm | rottenrecords: alias foobar="w3m http://google.com" |
| 22:13.48 | brixsat | hello |
| 22:13.49 | rottenrecords | brilliant |
| 22:13.57 | brixsat | how can i modprobe radeon before starting X |
| 22:15.27 | jair | jordanm: but in the stable one (working well) I did only the installation of the nvidia driver and add the ServerFlags settings and works, but in the squeeze, there was not xorg.conf from the very start, and now I generated one with your help but it is not taking the changes --->http://paste.debian.net/78803 |
| 22:15.49 | jair | jordanm: please look at line #12 |
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| 22:20.09 | cfdisk | I do not obtain to install these packages, Because? http://pastebin.com/3ZtyZd5X |
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| 22:24.18 | dondelelcaro | cfdisk: run apt-get update; then try again |
| 22:24.35 | bkraptor | any idea when thunderbird (icedove) 3.1 will get into experimental? |
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| 22:25.22 | cfdisk | dondelelcaro, nops look it |
| 22:25.24 | cfdisk | http://pastebin.com/EwQxB1ui |
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| 22:26.29 | dondelelcaro | cfdisk: I need to see the output of apt-cache policy libmagic1 ucf libapache2-mod-php5 libpcre3; |
| 22:27.26 | cfdisk | dondelelcaro, http://pastebin.com/Rnp50vG7 |
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| 22:28.11 | dondelelcaro | bkraptor: no idea, but it'll certainly be sooner if you help |
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| 22:28.45 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions icedove |
| 22:28.47 | judd | icedove -- etch: 1.5.0.13+1.5.0.15b.dfsg1+prepatch080614i-0etch1; etch-security: 1.5.0.13+1.5.0.15b.dfsg1+prepatch080614i-0etch1; lenny: 2.0.0.22-0lenny1; lenny-security: 2.0.0.24-0lenny1; squeeze: 3.0.4-3; sid: 3.0.5-1 |
| 22:29.15 | dondelelcaro | cfdisk: what is the output of apt-cache policy; ? |
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| 22:30.10 | dondelelcaro | cfdisk: because it certainly looks like you're missing a deb line in your sources.list for lenny. |
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| 22:30.23 | cfdisk | dondelelcaro, http://pastebin.com/tde1i0hz |
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| 22:30.36 | bkraptor | dondelelcaro: I'd gladly help, but my skills as a network engineer aren't of much use in this case |
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| 22:31.08 | dondelelcaro | cfdisk: yeah, that's not going to work |
| 22:31.22 | dondelelcaro | !tell cfdisk -about sources.list |
| 22:32.07 | dondelelcaro | cfdisk: if you fix that, it should work; if you still have problems, paste the output of apt-cache policy; cat /etc/apt/sources.list; after running apt-get update; |
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| 22:34.14 | dondelelcaro | bkraptor: well, it'd certainly be a big help even if you could reconfirm some of the bugs in icedove's buglist, or e-mail the maintainer and ask him if there's anything you can do to help |
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| 22:37.00 | brixsat | how can i modprobe radeon before starting X? |
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| 22:39.23 | jhutchins_lt | bkraptor: kmail works great. |
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| 22:43.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | brixsat, look at /etc/modules |
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| 22:44.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | !/etc/modules |
| 22:44.46 | dpkg | # This file should contain the names of kernel modules that are to be loaded at boot time, one per line. Comments begin with a `#', and everything on the line after them are ignored. An entry named `auto' will cause the system to start kerneld immediately. |
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| 22:45.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | but udev should load it for you usually |
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| 22:46.59 | frikinz_ | you could also add it to your initramfs, add "radeon modeset=1" to /etc/initramfs-tools/modules |
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| 22:54.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's hardly necessary for booting |
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| 22:55.55 | frikinz_ | yes it's handy for plymouth (here at least) |
| 22:56.26 | frikinz_ | plymouth was a headache to get working |
| 22:56.32 | rottenrecords | are tapes still used for backups these days? |
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| 23:00.46 | lindi- | rottenrecords: yes |
| 23:01.03 | shylent | tapes are sexy |
| 23:01.07 | shylent | wait, no, they are not |
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| 23:01.24 | shylent | when I said 'sexy' I was actually thinking of the word 'neccessary' |
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| 23:04.06 | tharkun | What command should i isue to apt-get to see if i have installed a certain librari |
| 23:04.42 | frikinz_ | apt-cache policy <name> |
| 23:05.07 | tharkun | W: Unable to locate package ld-linux.so.2 |
| 23:06.34 | tharkun | frikinz_: ok, i got it working thx |
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| 23:08.31 | jhutchins_lt | rottenrecords: They're even used on PC systems where they've been proven to be almost completely unreliable. |
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| 23:08.53 | jhutchins_lt | rottenrecords: Makes people feel like they're doing something useful. |
| 23:09.08 | rottenrecords | wait, they're unreliable? |
| 23:09.19 | rottenrecords | i thought that's what all the web hosts use for regular backups |
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| 23:09.30 | rottenrecords | we're looking into alternative backup methods for our masters |
| 23:09.49 | rottenrecords | we've just had 2 2TB drives fail on us in like 2-3 months |
| 23:09.59 | jhutchins_lt | rottenrecords: You have to use pretty high-end hardware and have a thorough testing-and-verification system. |
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| 23:10.04 | rottenrecords | the manufacturing date on the latest failed disk was Sept 2009 |
| 23:10.32 | jhutchins_lt | rottenrecords: Smart sites use multiple RAID arrays for backup, including off-site. |
| 23:10.34 | rottenrecords | jhutchins_lt: yea, all the LTO-3 drives i've seen are either fibre channel or SCSI |
| 23:11.03 | jhutchins_lt | rottenrecords: Much more reliable. |
| 23:11.07 | rottenrecords | we're currently using RAID, but at the rate we're going through these drives, it hardly seems worth it |
| 23:12.04 | jhutchins_lt | rottenrecords: Two disk raid isn't very good, chances of the controller failing are about as good as loosing a drive. |
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| 23:12.30 | jhutchins_lt | I've actually dealt with more bad controllers than bad drives in RAID systems, and it hasn't all been cheap on-board hardware. |
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| 23:13.39 | jhutchins_lt | A friend who has some pretty serious servers uses rdiff-backup to a local storage array, then rsyncs that to multiple remote sites that have similar arrays, which in turn can rsync to his local array. |
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| 23:14.49 | rottenrecords | how much data is he backing up though? and what is his budget? |
| 23:15.11 | rottenrecords | we're a small record label with only 4 full-time employees and we need about 10TB of storage |
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| 23:15.52 | rottenrecords | we don't need to run the backups very often because they're just masters, but doing rsync over the net seems like it would be a pain |
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| 23:21.05 | jhutchins_lt | rottenrecords: He's an embedded linux developer, works on some big projects but mainly his own stuff. He has his own dedicated backup array and then has cooperative agreements with a couple of other people I think . |
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| 23:21.34 | jhutchins_lt | rottenrecords: The question is, can you afford to loose it? |
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| 23:21.43 | rottenrecords | no, we really, really can't. |
| 23:21.55 | jhutchins_lt | rottenrecords: Tape isn't a good answer unless you have a really good rotation-and-testing-and-validation system. |
| 23:22.26 | jhutchins_lt | rottenrecords: In that case, I'd look at finding some permanent storage medium. BlueRay is coming down. |
| 23:22.48 | jhutchins_lt | rottenrecords: There's some progress on new WORM media that would be good. |
| 23:22.50 | rottenrecords | is that going to be more reliable than tape? because offline storage is really all we need since they're masters and all |
| 23:23.09 | jhutchins_lt | rottenrecords: Yes, more reliable than tape. |
| 23:23.31 | rottenrecords | hrmm.... |
| 23:23.33 | cast | rottenrecords: is lossless compression an option? |
| 23:23.37 | jhutchins_lt | rottenrecords: Tape has a fairly high failure rate for the first write. Re-using tapes kills them fairly quickly. |
| 23:24.03 | rottenrecords | cast: yea |
| 23:24.20 | jhutchins_lt | rottenrecords: One of the things I've done is to make a master copy of the data on one drive in my case and store that master copy off site. |
| 23:24.37 | rottenrecords | that's what we're doing right now with hard drives |
| 23:24.42 | jhutchins_lt | rottenrecords: Changes/updates to my data are fairly minor, so I just track those and I have pretty good redundancy. |
| 23:25.19 | jhutchins_lt | So I have one drive that's big enough for the whole dataset, then others that can hold two or three rotating backups, and I snapshot to a permanent drive once in a while. |
| 23:25.48 | jhutchins_lt | Gotta go get a load of hay for the horses, back tomorrow. |
| 23:25.54 | rottenrecords | alright |
| 23:25.57 | rottenrecords | see ya |
| 23:26.01 | cast | amazon s3 will store your data for .15$/gb/month with '99.999999999% Durability', it is a bit pricy for 10TB though |
| 23:26.11 | rottenrecords | cast: yea, i looked into that first |
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| 23:26.28 | rottenrecords | you really can't beat cloud storage for redundancy and availability |
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| 23:26.33 | rottenrecords | but it's too expensive for us |
| 23:27.15 | rorycl | rottenrecords: are you storing around 10TB? |
| 23:27.23 | cast | blueray is coming down, but dealing with a billion blueray disks hurts, i'd still go with hard drives |
| 23:28.43 | rottenrecords | rorycl: right now it's only about 2TB |
| 23:29.00 | rorycl | cast: we do some online backup for architects, and the issue with hard drives is that they apparently lose info after about 5 years |
| 23:29.10 | rottenrecords | but it's expected to grow to 10TB within the next 5 years because we have a lot of stuff on DVD/tapes that we need to consolidate |
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| 23:29.27 | cast | rottenrecords: they'll need maintanence certainly |
| 23:29.44 | rorycl | legally architects have to have their stuff available for 8-12 years depending on the type of contract a building is constructed under |
| 23:29.47 | cast | rorycl& |
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| 23:30.07 | brixsat | can i install a 32bits flash package in a 64 bit debian? |
| 23:30.09 | rottenrecords | i just want something that we can backup onto and sit on and expect it to last at least 5 years |
| 23:30.33 | cast | brixsat: flash sucks, don't waste your time on such garbage. |
| 23:30.42 | cast | rottenrecords: paper? :) |
| 23:30.52 | rottenrecords | that's a lot of paper =P |
| 23:30.56 | rorycl | rottenrecords: is this just a write once sort of thing? |
| 23:31.04 | rottenrecords | for the most part |
| 23:31.04 | brixsat | cast, how do i view swf files in iceweasel then? |
| 23:31.10 | rottenrecords | and not even read many |
| 23:31.23 | Arrowmaster | brixsat: swfdec should be installed already |
| 23:31.35 | rottenrecords | we'd only need them when we want to remaster/re-release an album |
| 23:31.50 | brixsat | Arrowmaster, i dont get flash :S |
| 23:32.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | !adobe flash |
| 23:32.20 | dpkg | Adobe Flash Player is <non-free>. The easiest way to install it is with the flashplayer-mozilla package from <debian-multimedia.org>; there is also a flashplugin-nonfree <contrib> package for testing users, or from backports.org. Ask me about <dmm> <bpo> <non-free>. http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer WARNING: installing flashplugin-nonfree will NOT automatically keep the plugin updated. |
| 23:32.27 | rorycl | rottenrecords: what we do is run a local storage array at a client and then sync that using rsync to our data centre. If you did this yourself it would probably cost less than around GBP 200/TB/month |
| 23:32.58 | tharkun | rottenrecords: the ESO aproach is to have a dvd robot accounting to the amount of dat i do think bluerays are a big option for you. |
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| 23:33.11 | rorycl | then we backup data for anxious clients about quarterly to LT04 tape using Amanda. |
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| 23:33.49 | lindi- | I'm trying to get chromium-browser run on openmoko. After running "apt-get --build source libv8-2.2.7" I noticed that the build results included a binary package called "libv8-2.2.18" and not "libv8-2.2.7" -- this is a problem since the chromium-browser binary uses "libv8-2.2.7". any idea what's going on? How can I build the "libv8-2.2.7" binary package from source? |
| 23:33.52 | rorycl | All of the it outfits in the architecture/design space are throwing around 5-20TB and that really isn't that much in comparison to the video outfits |
| 23:34.03 | brixsat | how come i have flash-nonfree and no flash on iceweasel :| |
| 23:34.09 | tharkun | rottenrecords: for the value of the data packaged there doing 2 copies of the data and storing one in a controled environment does not seem a big burden |
| 23:34.14 | rorycl | what everyone is just have multiple copies spinning; |
| 23:34.45 | rorycl | tharkun: yeah. Typically we see 1. live 2. near-side copy 3. remote copy |
| 23:34.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | brixsat, ^^^ |
| 23:35.10 | cast | "Amazon S3 provides further protection via Versioning. You can use Versioning to preserve, retrieve, and restore every version of every object stored in your Amazon S3 bucket. " neat, new feature! |
| 23:35.14 | brixsat | CutMeOwnThroat, ?!?!?!?! |
| 23:35.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | read the factoid above about adobe flash? |
| 23:35.48 | themill | ,binaries libv8 sid |
| 23:35.50 | judd | libv8 -- Binaries: libv8-2.2.18 libv8-2.2.7 libv8-dbg libv8-dev |
| 23:35.57 | themill | lindi-: ^^ it should produce both |
| 23:36.05 | rottenrecords | hrmmm... so the consensus seems to be either BD/DVD or RAID |
| 23:36.14 | lindi- | themill: http://paste.debian.net/78805/ has output from my amd64 unstable chroot that shows that the control file only describes the "libv8-2.2.18" binary package and not "libv8-2.2.7" |
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| 23:36.38 | brixsat | CutMeOwnThroat, uptodate is not the same as not working |
| 23:36.51 | rorycl | rottenrecords: are your files easily splittable between DVD/BD disks? If not, that could be a pain |
| 23:37.11 | rottenrecords | rorycl: yea, they should be splittable between BD |
| 23:37.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | brixsat, note names of the packages... they don't match what you said you have installed |
| 23:37.35 | rottenrecords | as long as BD is reliable for offline storage, it wouldn't be a bad option |
| 23:37.55 | brixsat | CutMeOwnThroat, i have mistyped :p |
| 23:38.31 | lindi- | themill: maybe new version of the source package just does not produce the older binary package anymore? should "apt-get source" know that it needs to get an older version of the source package to get the binary package that I requested? |
| 23:39.45 | rottenrecords | rorycl: what kind of RAID setup would you use for ~10TB of data? internal/external enclosure? NAS? what RAID mode and how many drives? |
| 23:39.55 | themill | lindi-: if you want a specific version, you should use packagename=version not just packagename. |
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| 23:40.02 | cast | bluray disks are tiny, and you'll have to incorporate redundancy so you can lose N disks, thats a lot of work when it comes to verifying and testing your backups |
| 23:41.26 | rottenrecords | cast: I think what we'll probably end up doing is store the masters in a RAID array and then use BD as backups to the backups |
| 23:41.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions flashplugin-nonfree --arch amd64 |
| 23:41.42 | judd | flashplugin-nonfree -- etch-backports/contrib: 1:1.4~bpo40+1; squeeze/contrib: 1:2.8; lenny-backports/contrib: 1:2.8.1~bpo50+1; sid/contrib: 1:2.8.1 |
| 23:41.52 | lindi- | themill: ok, but does something guarantee that both version of the source package get included in the next release? so that both versions of the binary package can actually be built? |
| 23:42.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions flashplayer-mozilla --arch amd64 |
| 23:42.09 | judd | flashplayer-mozilla -- etch-multimedia: 1:9.0.152.0-0.0; lenny-multimedia/non-free: 2:10.1.53.64-0.0; sid-multimedia/non-free: 2:10.1.53.64-0.0; squeeze-multimedia/non-free: 2:10.1.53.64-0.0 |
| 23:42.30 | cast | you have to be careful that the high human work factor doesn't result in it never happening because no one had time, |
| 23:42.37 | themill | lindi-: no, only one version of the source package will be in the release. 2.2.7 will be manually removed once the package migrates to testing |
| 23:43.21 | grobe0ba | anybody here have experience with a vanilla 2.6.34 kernel on a Compaq Proliant ML570 with a Compaq Smart Array Controller 5300? i just built this kernel, and it crashes before it can even core dump |
| 23:43.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | brixsat, there are amd64 versions of this, the one you 'mistyped'... see above |
| 23:43.31 | brixsat | humm |
| 23:44.12 | frikinz_ | adobe has removed its 64 bits version |
| 23:44.13 | lindi- | themill: ok, let's hope so |
| 23:45.22 | brixsat | CutMeOwnThroat, that is a litlle confusing to me :p what should i have in the apt-get install |
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| 23:46.30 | brixsat | apt-get install flashplayer-mozilla has no candidate install |
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| 23:47.18 | lindi- | themill: "apt-get source libv8-2.2.7=2.2.7-1" seems to fetch the right source. The binary package now reads "Source: libv8", would it make sense to include a version number there too so that apt-get source could figure out what source package was used to create the binary package? |
| 23:48.08 | lindi- | (this is the first time "apt-get --build source BINARYPKG" has not produced BINARYPKG_*.deb for me) |
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| 23:50.43 | lfitz | is there a gui user management application, with minimal dependencies? |
| 23:51.24 | cast | lfitz: just use the command line... |
| 23:51.59 | rorycl | lfitz: yes, the terminal is the smallest and most efficient user management application |
| 23:52.38 | themill | lindi-: the binary package already has its own Version field for this. In general, you should always be careful to use package=version if you actually care what version you want |
| 23:52.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | brixsat, because that one is in dmm the words in brackets like <dmm> are explained in further factoids, so you can /msg dpkg dmm |
| 23:53.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | brixsat, there are now two versions of adobe flash one of them is in debian-multimedia, one in testing/non-free (or also backported for lenny) |
| 23:53.50 | lindi- | themill: I'm ok with any version of "libv8-2.2.7" but having the build produce some entirely different binary package is confusing to say at least |
| 23:54.11 | dondelelcaro | lindi-: that's not all that unusual; there's no requirement for the binary version to be equal to the source version |
| 23:54.33 | dondelelcaro | lindi-: normally they're the same, but there are some circumstances where they cannot be the same |
| 23:54.47 | lindi- | dondelelcaro: how could I then find the corresponding source? |
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| 23:59.08 | dondelelcaro | lindi-: you'll know what the corresponding source package is from the binary package itself; the changelog usually tells you what the source version is for that binary package (or, you can ask the BTS or pdo, which have a source->binary and (binary,version,arch)->(source,version) mapping |