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| 00:01.13 | brixsat | CutMeOwnThroat, THANKS :D |
| 00:02.01 | lindi- | dondelelcaro: ok so I need to download the binary package to be able to compile it? hmm :/ |
| 00:02.23 | dondelelcaro | lindi-: nah, you can compile it without doing so |
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| 00:03.41 | lindi- | dondelelcaro: yes but can it be automated? |
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| 00:04.18 | dondelelcaro | lindi-: sure, if you have the mapping |
| 00:04.22 | dondelelcaro | lindi-: what are you trying to do, though? |
| 00:05.28 | lindi- | dondelelcaro: see < lindi-> I'm trying to get chromium-browser run on openmoko. A ... |
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| 00:05.53 | lindi- | dondelelcaro: I kind of rebuilt the wrong binary package and waited hours because of this issue :) |
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| 00:07.54 | AmritP | 1 |
| 00:07.59 | AmritP | err |
| 00:08.01 | AmritP | hi all |
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| 00:09.37 | Zenwalker | hi |
| 00:09.51 | Zenwalker | can i install libgtk1.2 and libgtk2.0 ? |
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| 00:12.53 | AmritP | i'm atempting to perform a debian install on my laptop |
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| 00:13.22 | karlpinc | Zenwalker: What prolem are you trying to solve? |
| 00:13.43 | rorycl | AmritP: are you having problems? |
| 00:13.44 | Zenwalker | program avinaptic only runs on libgtk1.2 |
| 00:13.57 | Zenwalker | and on squeeze I have 2.0 |
| 00:14.02 | jordanm | jair: there is also a directory style loading in the new xorg, maybe you have other configuration in split files |
| 00:14.04 | AmritP | the network driver ubuntu uses with it is `sky2`, however when the module is loaded, it spits out that no ethernet devices were found |
| 00:14.17 | AmritP | indeed i am rorycl :p |
| 00:14.38 | karlpinc | Zenwalker: You could try building your own. |
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| 00:15.49 | rorycl | AmritP: sorry, what sort of device is that? |
| 00:15.52 | jordanm | !tell AmritP about kmuto |
| 00:16.04 | karlpinc | AmritP: Are you installing stock debian? What version of debian? |
| 00:16.46 | AmritP | karlpinc: rorycl its the latest netinstall image, kernel "2.0.26-2-486" |
| 00:18.04 | AmritP | karlpinc: rorycl: the device id for my network controller that should work with the `sky2` module, is: 11ab:4380 |
| 00:18.07 | Zenwalker | thanks |
| 00:19.00 | rorycl | AmritP: are you trying to install Ubuntu or Debian? |
| 00:19.41 | AmritP | rorycl: debian, i was using the ubuntu live cd for diagnostics :p |
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| 00:21.12 | rorycl | AmritP: oh cool. What sort of gadget is it? Wireless, Ethernet? Do you know the make and model number? |
| 00:21.22 | cast | does debian-live have the debian installer in it? |
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| 00:22.43 | AmritP | rorycl: its ethernet, Marvell Yukon, not 100% sure of the mfg's model (doesn't show up in the lspci). but it was working under the ubuntu live :p |
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| 00:23.20 | AmritP | !pci 11ab:4380 |
| 00:23.27 | AmritP | !help |
| 00:25.40 | rorycl | AmritP: try and work out what module ubuntu is loading for the marvell ethernet adaptor by running lsmod, and also check /var/log/kern.log to see what is loaded on boot |
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| 00:26.34 | rorycl | AmritP: then see if Debian is loading the same module version and (potentially) firmware to go with it. If it isn't you might need to load those separately during the debian install process |
| 00:26.44 | rorycl | from CD/floppy |
| 00:26.59 | AmritP | rorycl: right... the sky2 module was loaded in ubuntu for the ethernet, (according to lspci -k) |
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| 00:27.18 | AmritP | i'll doubble check the kernlog though |
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| 00:30.45 | AmritP | "sky 2 driver version 1.23" |
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| 00:37.02 | nichos | hi all, im trying to get the debian installer going on my macbook pro, it hangs when I select english as the language. I'm using rEFIt |
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| 00:48.29 | r0fl | i get some weird nfs quota errors for just some files in one big nfs share. i have 101G avail in it, i can edit this share just fine. but somehow i get quota limit exceeded for single files. i don't have any quota settings on any nfs share and those files have 0byte when i check them on the nfs server, so they have been deleted |
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| 01:00.51 | rryouumaa | in debian, how hard is it to clean up the audio of a web-hosted video if it is a bit hard to make out the words? i'm on a mac atm, but i'm curious if it's easy enough that some people do it when they need to |
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| 01:01.32 | rryouumaa | would you feed it to audacity and sync it back or something after capturing the whole stream somehow? |
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| 01:09.38 | dondelelcaro | rryouumaa: you can do it any number of ways; I'd personally use ecasound, but it's up to you |
| 01:11.02 | rking | rryouumaa: I run jackd, which has a bit of a learning curve but is pretty powerful. I would be able to use qjackctl and jackrack and start playing with the audio in minutes. |
| 01:16.33 | miasma | hmm how exactly do I change the umask in debian for files created with scp |
| 01:16.55 | miasma | it seems the system uses 027 and I'm not the root so I can't change it system wide |
| 01:18.14 | miasma | but I'd like to have 023. setting things in .bash_profile seems to work when manually creating files, but it doesn't affect files created with scp |
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| 01:26.53 | JairunCaloth | somehow debian and ubuntu both lost my nvidia driver over the course of the week. |
| 01:27.02 | JairunCaloth | I haven't touched this machine in days |
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| 01:32.13 | JairunCaloth | ah, there we go. looks like I had the wrong kernel-headers package installed |
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| 02:03.15 | rryouumaa | dondelelcaro: rking: thanks, sounds like it's possible, but probably not something you'd do in a minute or two whenever there's a bad video online |
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| 02:05.57 | rking | rryouumaa: Well, my setup is this: qjackctl starts when I start up my window manager, and I have a shortcut to jackrack. So if I want to do a filter, I just start jackrack and then put it in between the sound system's output, then it's just a matter of picking filters. There is some overhead to getting it set up, but after that it really isn't bad. |
| 02:06.35 | rryouumaa | interesting, so i can just play the video from any source at all live, and throw in some filters as it is playing |
| 02:06.51 | rryouumaa | wants to get back on debian |
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| 02:13.25 | liable_ | !qotd0 |
| 02:13.26 | dpkg | <greg_work> if i want to do nfs stuff, whats the best thing to use? NFS, or is there something better? |
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| 02:14.22 | apostle | I have a soundblaster live that freezes my system and on reboot it stuck on populating /dev |
| 02:14.29 | rpgdude | anyone know if there is a way to restrict Build-Depends to a specific version? |
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| 02:14.48 | jmarsden | rpgdude: An equals sign |
| 02:15.16 | MACscr | Ok, so i am trying to create a xen paravirtualized guest from a debian iso. I was told that i needed to mount the iso to a web accessible folder so i could point ot its files as if it was a repo, etc. When looking at the folder structure of the iso though, im not really sure its going to work. The iso seems to be made to be used as a live cd, though i know its an installer as well. Any tips? |
| 02:15.34 | rpgdude | jmarsden: it seems i am unable to use substvars |
| 02:15.57 | rpgdude | i need to restrict to the source version |
| 02:16.20 | jhutchins_lt | MACscr: I've always just used the CD for an installer and run the install on the VM. |
| 02:16.22 | rpgdude | i tried using ${source:Version} but it wouldnt resolve it |
| 02:16.43 | jhutchins_lt | rpgdude: What relase? |
| 02:17.22 | MACscr | jhutchins_lt: with a pvm though? pvm's cant install from an iso from what i have read. Did you use virt-install? |
| 02:17.26 | rpgdude | huh? |
| 02:17.36 | rpgdude | relase? |
| 02:17.43 | jhutchins_lt | Of debian. |
| 02:17.50 | rpgdude | squeeze |
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| 02:18.41 | WormFood | why in the fuck would mplayer not give me voice? I can hear the music and sound effects just fine, but I can't hear what anyone says. This is fuckin' weird. Videos that played perfectly in the past, now have no god damn voice. |
| 02:19.22 | MACscr | WormFood: lol, did you check the mplayer settings to make sure its using the right output device? |
| 02:19.31 | MACscr | hell, it could even be a codec issue |
| 02:20.01 | WormFood | I can hear the music and sound effects ok...how would that be an output device issue? |
| 02:20.16 | MACscr | WormFood: because every app can have different settings dumbass |
| 02:20.53 | miasma | in 5.1 audio the voice could be in the center channel |
| 02:21.10 | miasma | and not audible from left and right, if incorrectly set up |
| 02:21.22 | MACscr | yep |
| 02:21.27 | WormFood | that is what it is miasma, even tho I set it to stereo output |
| 02:22.08 | WormFood | now, after about 5 minutes, it suddenly started working right....I did have it set to 5.1, but didn't have my other speakers connected yet. |
| 02:22.31 | WormFood | so I set it back to stereo output, but still wouldn't play properly |
| 02:22.38 | miasma | I haven't done this, but you probably need to downmix it to 2.0 |
| 02:22.59 | miasma | don't know how it handles it. I use spdif out for movies |
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| 02:23.11 | MACscr | i mighly doubt that. I play 5.1 stuff all the time |
| 02:23.12 | WormFood | yeah, *now* it works.....but took a long fuckin' time for it to take effect after changing it to stereo output |
| 02:23.14 | MACscr | er, highly |
| 02:23.20 | MACscr | lol |
| 02:23.24 | MACscr | you sure bitch a lot |
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| 02:23.44 | WormFood | I tried all the normal stuff to "fix" it, but it STILL wouldn't work |
| 02:23.56 | WormFood | then starts working after 5 minutes? what the fuck? |
| 02:24.11 | miasma | maybe you restarted something =) |
| 02:24.56 | WormFood | no, I was playing the video, and out of nowhere it started playing correctly again. |
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| 02:25.45 | WormFood | that is what was so confusing....I changed the output hardware device (from 5.1 to stereo), but it didn't have any effect right away....then after a few minutes, it started working right again....it makes no sense. |
| 02:26.27 | jhutchins_lt | mplayer has an adaptive algorythm that attempts to sync the sound, and it can take a while to get it aligned properly. There are options you can pass to mplayer to improve the performance of that feature. |
| 02:26.28 | WormFood | if it had started working right as soon as I changed the hardware output device, I wouldn't have been asking here, because it would have been working right then. |
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| 02:27.14 | WormFood | jhutchins_lt, but I changed the hardware output device, and restarted mplayer and it still wasn't working right....then, in the middle of playing the video, it started working.....THAT makes no sense to me |
| 02:27.48 | WormFood | why would there be such a long delay before it really changed the output device? This has nothing to do with mplayer (vlc also wouldn't work right, which tells me it is a problem at the system level, not the app level) |
| 02:28.21 | MACscr | did you restart the app after you made the change? |
| 02:28.28 | jhutchins_lt | WormFood: Looking back, it's just the vocal track - sounds like it might be a format with multiple voice tracks for different languages. |
| 02:28.49 | jhutchins_lt | WormFood: Have you considered the problem may be with the video, not the software? |
| 02:29.01 | WormFood | MACscr, of course I did |
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| 02:29.50 | WormFood | no jhutchins_lt, it was not the video, because I played the video just fine before. It was because I had the output set to 5.1, and I didn't have all my speakers connected, so I switched the hardware output to stereo, but it didn't take effect right away |
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| 02:35.48 | scientes | how do i make a ia32 package or install a i386 lib on amd64 correctly? |
| 02:35.55 | scientes | i need ia32-libmpg123-0 |
| 02:36.08 | scientes | and i have the corresponding i386 .deb----on sid |
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| 02:41.10 | rafuch0 | hey users of E17 wm have this .EDJs ... ? Sabana_Night 0.1 y EnRotacion 0.1 o algunos de sus forks ...A-E17Rot1 1.0 Buffalo_at_Night 1 MintEnrotacion 0.1 ? |
| 02:44.54 | jhutchins_lt | WormFood: I'll agree that it's wierd. There's probably a logical explanation for it. Nod, smile, move on? |
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| 02:46.55 | WormFood | I'm sure there is something logical to explain it, but I have yet to figure it out.....god damn frustrating, because I'm not an idiot. I at least have some clue as to what is going on....but when I change the settings, and it STILL don't work, then suddenly works 5 minutes later, I'm at a loss. |
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| 02:47.06 | demism_ | if all /dev/tty* files are erased how can I fix this? |
| 02:47.22 | WormFood | demism_, recreate them |
| 02:47.27 | scientes | WormFood, you didn't say anything |
| 02:47.40 | scientes | demism_, udev |
| 02:47.42 | demism_ | wormfood, how? |
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| 02:47.49 | WormFood | demism_, mknod |
| 02:48.01 | WormFood | scientes, what do you mean I didn't say anything? |
| 02:48.25 | jhutchins_lt | demism_: They should be dynamically recreated on reboot. How did you manage to erase them? |
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| 02:48.55 | WormFood | should be recreated at reboot, if using udev....won't be recreated if not using udev for some reason. |
| 02:49.02 | scientes | <WormFood> I'm sure there is something logical to explain it, but I have yet to figure it out.....god damn frustrating, because I'm not an idiot. I at least have some clue as to what is going on....but when I change the settings, and it STILL don't work, then suddenly works 5 minutes later, I'm at a loss. |
| 02:49.06 | demism_ | jhutchins_It: well it's on a HPUX machine, and reboot didn't recreate them |
| 02:49.15 | scientes | I don't see a single bit of content there, its all emotion |
| 02:49.55 | WormFood | scientes, perhaps you're only getting part of the conversation. Maybe you came into the middle of something, and didn't see what was in the channel before you arrived. |
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| 02:50.04 | scientes | ah ok |
| 02:50.28 | demism_ | thanks guys... |
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| 03:03.12 | tharkun | Why openbravo is no longer in debian? It used to be in Sarge |
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| 03:06.05 | qq- | usually a security bug , on orphaned |
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| 03:06.48 | qq- | s/on /or |
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| 03:11.26 | tharkun | qq-: thx I found their site I'll try to run it under lenny |
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| 03:37.50 | dz2 | why do i have to type control d every time I reboot in lenny? |
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| 03:48.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | because you didn't fsck your disk? |
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| 04:11.57 | dz2 | CutMeOwnThroat, thanks |
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| 05:26.20 | Cpt_Zyph | doe debian work on i586 cpu's? |
| 05:27.31 | siriusnova | yes |
| 05:28.19 | Cpt_Zyph | siriusnova sweet.. well i'm looking into a stripped down os to try on an old laptop.. the other distros i have tried are just too bloated to work |
| 05:28.50 | siriusnova | specs of laptop? |
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| 05:36.44 | magglass1 | anyone know what might be causing a NIC to change from "UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,MULTICAST" to "UP,BROADCAST,MULTICAST" 1 minute after being plugged in? |
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| 06:10.55 | dz2 | I fsck'ed my partition bu I still need to control d? Why? |
| 06:13.39 | dz2 | will booting into single user mode cause this? |
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| 06:23.31 | Bushmills | different partition, or wrong date/time |
| 06:25.18 | at0m | dz2: i have the same on my home server, it wants to fsck an usb disk which is no longer connected.. so fsck'ing internal disks doesnt help, for some reason the external disk stays in fsck's todo list |
| 06:25.39 | at0m | i reboot it like 3-4 times a year, so dont really care much |
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| 06:27.13 | jpinx | at0m: plug it in fsck it and it'll come out of fsck's to-do list |
| 06:27.40 | at0m | jpinx: yea sounds logical, but haven't bothered yet |
| 06:28.51 | dz2 | booting into multi user mode made the control d input request disappear? Is that how it is supposed to work? |
| 06:29.03 | jpinx | it's like me - I never reboot this eeepc but I wanted to run the XP to see if could recover a b0rked SD card, and nothing worked. the SD card failed, XP failed and rebooting to here failed :( |
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| 06:29.30 | jpinx | going to get a vm for XP one of these days |
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| 06:34.15 | dz2 | found the problem |
| 06:34.18 | dz2 | !single |
| 06:34.19 | dpkg | i guess single is <single user mode> to boot for recovery/rescue. man init, or boot with "single" as a kernel option. Also, init=/bin/bash if init or /etc/rcS.d/* are very brain dead. (filesystems are usually readonly and shell has no job control. unmount and reboot with care) |
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| 06:41.45 | at0m | jpinx: something weirder now: on laptop, during recent aptitude dist-upgrade, i now have /dev/hda1 for / and /dev/sda3 for home - they're on the same physical disk eh |
| 06:42.26 | at0m | trying to sort grub and mkinitfsthingie before i reboot =] |
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| 06:42.49 | jpinx | at0m: you got ghostbusters in there?-- |
| 06:43.19 | at0m | nope they're sleeping out the hangover... that's why i came here |
| 06:44.33 | jpinx | heh |
| 06:45.01 | jpinx | at0m: you got grub2? |
| 06:45.09 | at0m | yea |
| 06:45.59 | jpinx | gawd help you :) |
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| 06:47.07 | Cpt_Zyph | guys for a i586 cpu which download cd torrent should i be getting? |
| 06:48.16 | at0m | it mounts by UUID afaik, but initramfs or so looked for /dev/sda1: http://pastebin.ca/1889664 |
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| 06:50.26 | Lantizia | Question about apt-get... I have a scenario where package a recommends b and c, and b depends c |
| 06:50.26 | Lantizia | apt-get install a b |
| 06:50.26 | Lantizia | I just get "packages have unmet dependencies: b: Depends: c but it is not going to be installed" |
| 06:50.26 | Lantizia | Like it's complaining about the original instruction to install b (after a)... when at that stage b would be installed anyway |
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| 06:50.29 | craigevil | at0m: new kernel? 2.6.32-5 uses sdx |
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| 06:51.14 | at0m | craigevil: 2.6.32-5-686 indeed... still puzzles me why mount has both - check the end of that pastebin |
| 06:51.53 | at0m | since i booted that 2.6.32-5-686, it shouldnt mention hd* at all, not? |
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| 06:52.19 | craigevil | when the kernel updated it should have said something about updating fstab because of the changes |
| 06:52.19 | jpinx | at0m: I upgraded to ...32 and had no such issues |
| 06:52.46 | at0m | jpinx: if you had SATA, it was sd* already |
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| 06:53.02 | at0m | jpinx: old p4 laptop with PATA IDE disk here |
| 06:53.11 | jpinx | at0m: true, but I an external usb ide plugged in as well |
| 06:53.49 | at0m | that'll be your next sd? in line then :) |
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| 06:54.00 | at0m | bbl, breakfast |
| 06:54.15 | jpinx | at0m: no - it came up correctly as hd1 |
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| 06:57.05 | CyprisDiscon | wow. this debian is quiet compared to the other server. |
| 06:57.33 | Cpt_Zyph | guys for a i586 cpu which download cd torrent should i be getting? |
| 06:58.07 | jmarsden | Cypris: Well, on OFTC #debain was being spammed from TOR until a couple of minutes ago :) |
| 06:58.16 | jmarsden | s/debain/debian/ |
| 06:58.21 | cahoot | Cpt_Zyph: get the netinstall for 386 |
| 06:59.48 | Cpt_Zyph | the net install? |
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| 07:00.02 | Cypris | dpkg needs to mod his script a lil.. lol hey i suppose i can ask my question in here too. live-helper with pear install packages.. any idea how i get these in there? |
| 07:00.03 | dpkg | You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, Cypris |
| 07:00.11 | Cpt_Zyph | may i ask why thats the one for the i586 cpu? sry just the title tosses me off.. does net stand for netbook? |
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| 07:01.01 | Cpt_Zyph | cahoot and thank you btw |
| 07:01.49 | Cypris | im.. the first person to send that bot an invalid request? really? lol |
| 07:02.09 | Cpt_Zyph | cahoot netinstall .. = network install? i'm on debians home torrent page atm and not seeing it |
| 07:02.24 | MeglaW | google pxe |
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| 07:03.38 | jpinx | !netinstall |
| 07:03.38 | dpkg | i guess netinst is a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ See also <check iso image>, <dialup install>, <usb install>, <installer>. |
| 07:03.45 | cahoot | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.4/i386/iso-cd/debian-504-i386-netinst.iso |
| 07:03.57 | jpinx | Cpt_Zyph: ââ |
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| 07:06.30 | MNZ | Hi, I'm looking for information on the current state of multiarch on debian. I thought we were waving goodbye to ia32-libs but it seems it's back, with a vengeance. |
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| 07:22.08 | xxtjaxx | Hi is there a way to install php for lighttpd without needing to install apache? |
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| 07:25.15 | Cpt_Zyph | thank you for the link |
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| 07:26.26 | MNZ | xxtjaxx, you are on the wrong channel :D though a quick google gives http://redmine.lighttpd.net/wiki/1/TutorialLighttpdAndPHP scroll down to the debian section |
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| 07:29.29 | xxtjaxx | MNZ thanks though debian stable is the target and as I remember it I once tried to install it and had apache as an unfortunate dependency (NO GOOD on a P2) |
| 07:30.31 | ledestin | xxtjaxx: you could make apache not run by removing executable bit on /etc/init.d/apache |
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| 07:30.43 | Cypris | this live helper thing is killin me. lol |
| 07:32.20 | ledestin | xxtjaxx: or rebuild the package w/o dependency |
| 07:32.40 | xxtjaxx | ledestin: good point |
| 07:33.09 | MNZ | xxtjaxx, well I'm not sure what it is like on stable, but on my debian testing there are no apache dependencies. "$ sudo apt-get install lighttpd spawn-fcgi php5-cgi" and you are good to go |
| 07:33.33 | xxtjaxx | thanks |
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| 07:36.22 | Hannibal | hello everyone |
| 07:36.48 | Hannibal | the debian installer does not include the sdhci_pci kernel module :/ |
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| 07:37.37 | xxtjaxx | Hannibal: so ? install it? or is that impossible because your network equipment requires it? |
| 07:38.31 | Hannibal | xxtjaxx: not impsooible, just lacking knowledge of how to install :p |
| 07:38.45 | Hannibal | (or download and install) |
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| 07:39.23 | Hannibal | is there some magical land that contains kernel modules not included in the debin installer? :o |
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| 07:40.45 | MNZ | Hannibal, it should already be included... try to "$ sudo modprobe sdhci_pci" |
| 07:41.14 | Hannibal | FATAL: Module sdhci_pci not found. |
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| 07:41.39 | MNZ | Hannibal, what kernel and arch are we talking about? |
| 07:42.00 | MNZ | Hannibal, "$ uname -a" |
| 07:42.17 | Hannibal | MNZ: debian installer: Linux vaio 2.6.28-1-amd64 #1 SMP Wed Feb 18 17:16:12 UTC 2009 x86_64 unknown |
| 07:42.49 | MNZ | oh didn't notice you are on the installer |
| 07:42.58 | Hannibal | yeah :p |
| 07:43.06 | Hannibal | makes things a bit more intresting eh? :p |
| 07:43.08 | MNZ | well.... the installer system is pretty minimal |
| 07:43.24 | MNZ | why do you need this module on the installer anyway? |
| 07:43.37 | MNZ | finish the installation and you'll have it on your system :D |
| 07:43.48 | Hannibal | lol |
| 07:43.50 | Hannibal | attempting to install on a SD card |
| 07:44.24 | ledestin | sdhci-pci.ko |
| 07:44.42 | Hannibal | indeed ledestin |
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| 07:45.54 | Hannibal | /lib/modules/2.6.28-1-amd64 # find | grep sdhci |
| 07:45.54 | Hannibal | ./kernel/drivers/mmc/host/sdhci.ko |
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| 07:46.15 | Hannibal | argh |
| 07:47.31 | MNZ | Hannibal, maybe you could try to follow one of the tutorials on doing this? A majority suggest to use debootstrap from a normal debian installation (unless you don't have one...?) |
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| 07:48.23 | Hannibal | MNZ: i dould try off of an ubuntu live cd :/ |
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| 07:51.12 | superlinux | hi |
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| 07:52.45 | superlinux | how can I keep the NumLock on when gdm starts? |
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| 07:53.30 | superlinux | I want the default of Xorg Window is to keep NumLock on |
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| 07:54.33 | acehole5000 | I love deviant! |
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| 07:56.56 | teknishun | Hello, I started downloading Squeeze Alpha ISOs & while md5sums for 5,6 & 7 are okay. I am getting md5sum mismatch for 3 & 4. Wget says the download size is okay, what gives? |
| 07:57.01 | ledestin | superlinux: numlockx on in .xsession |
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| 07:58.04 | superlinux | ok ledestin thanks |
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| 08:14.10 | hanibanaa | hi; I'm at KDE4. I have gnome too. Where can I find the menu entries of gnome main menu (or application launcher menu or any...) ? any config file....? |
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| 08:19.25 | teknishun | hanibanaa: What do you intend to do? |
| 08:20.12 | hanibanaa | actually, I want to run gnome bluetooth applet at KDE! |
| 08:20.16 | teknishun | hanibanaa: If you only wish to launch a program I'd suggest using Launchy, otherwise you could just go into 'K-menu' (start menu) & dig under the entry 'debian' |
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| 08:21.36 | teknishun | hanibanaa: Alternatively there's KDE application launcher called 'katapult', you can find it in repos |
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| 08:24.31 | teknishun | Over & out! |
| 08:24.34 | hanibanaa | teknishun: I have application launcher for KDE. The problem is when I execute bluetooth-applet command at terminal which is a gnome app, instead the KDE kbluetooth comes up which has NOT the browse feature of gnome app. |
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| 08:32.00 | AndroUser2 | hello. grub2 wont see my windows xp |
| 08:32.34 | AndroUser2 | i added it to custom_40 and menu.lst, but it says partition not found |
| 08:32.47 | macrobat | AndroUser2: do you have an xp entry in grub.cfg? |
| 08:32.58 | macrobat | grub2 doesnt use menu.lst |
| 08:32.59 | AndroUser2 | no |
| 08:33.05 | AndroUser2 | fail |
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| 08:33.57 | macrobat | grub-update (or update-grub, don't remember) should generate entries in grub.cfg |
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| 08:34.10 | AndroUser2 | hmm, i do actually. its at the bottom of my file |
| 08:34.22 | AndroUser2 | i tried that but it doesnt see it |
| 08:34.50 | AndroUser2 | should i mount my windows partition and then update grub? |
| 08:34.50 | prince_jammys | i don't recall if os-prober needs to be installed for this. |
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| 08:35.37 | macrobat | try os-prober |
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| 08:35.53 | prince_jammys | install it, and update-grub. |
| 08:36.14 | AndroUser2 | yaay! |
| 08:36.23 | AndroUser2 | it found it, ill reboot |
| 08:36.43 | xxtjaxx | damn I enabled fastcgi and have in my html code things like <?php include_once("static/footer") ?> when I run that on php-cgi I get what I want but when I run that from with lighttpd it doesnt why? |
| 08:36.50 | prince_jammys | AndroUser2: was a missing os-prober the problem? |
| 08:37.03 | AndroUser2 | think so |
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| 08:38.34 | AndroUser2 | miracolous |
| 08:38.39 | AndroUser2 | thanks |
| 08:38.41 | AndroUser2 | bye |
| 08:38.56 | base64 | ah |
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| 09:06.48 | Hannibal | oh dear... what have i done.. i made some sort of debian/ubuntu monster |
| 09:06.55 | Hannibal | debian base system with an ubuntu kernel |
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| 09:07.19 | Hannibal | for lack of a propper debian kernel that is.. |
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| 09:08.17 | jelly-hme | Hannibal: do you have a debian support question? |
| 09:08.49 | Hannibal | yes jelly-hme, what is the package for a propper debian kernel? |
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| 09:18.01 | streuner | Hannibal: linux-image-2.6 |
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| 09:18.51 | streuner | Hannibal: and please use your real name |
| 09:18.53 | Hannibal | haha |
| 09:18.57 | Hannibal | indeed |
| 09:19.03 | Hannibal | ah brillant, i was just searching thw wiki and found that info, thanks streuner |
| 09:19.11 | streuner | np |
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| 09:35.41 | brixsat | Hello |
| 09:35.54 | brixsat | where o i get a debian squeeze/sid cd to install? |
| 09:39.06 | cahoot | install lenny netinst - upgrade |
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| 09:40.01 | cahoot | else debian.org offers squeeze/testing build |
| 09:40.04 | cahoot | s |
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| 09:53.54 | Maniek_M | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjV-_PBrEhY |
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| 10:04.16 | pkkm | Does newest Debian assign source ports for TCP connections randomly? |
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| 10:16.40 | poisonbit | pkkm, for wich program/protocol ? if there are changes they are documented in /usr/share/doc/programName |
| 10:16.59 | poisonbit | most protocols asign _source_ ports randomly |
| 10:20.12 | frikinz_ | source port randomization exists since quite some time in linux kernel |
| 10:21.23 | poisonbit | only some protocols like dhcp uses a static source port |
| 10:22.04 | frikinz_ | udp since 2.6.24 |
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| 10:25.00 | pkkm | So I don't need to install grsec to enable it? |
| 10:25.21 | pkkm | and be immune to RST attacks |
| 10:25.26 | pkkm | or do I need? |
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| 10:27.20 | frikinz_ | I'd say no. But the tcp port space is only 2**16 ... |
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| 10:29.09 | poisonbit | and can be adjusted using sysctl |
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| 10:32.47 | frikinz_ | pkkm: do you often get hit by rst attack? Disconnected? |
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| 10:33.18 | eshat | Any idea when VLC 1.1 will be in sid ? |
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| 10:33.43 | eshat | also ffmpeg 0.6 is out now for a while |
| 10:34.12 | eshat | I just want to tru webm and compare vp8 to h264 |
| 10:34.19 | eshat | s/tru/try |
| 10:35.14 | pkkm | frikinz_, I've never been hit by such attack, but I want to set up some streaming stuff, and I need to be absolutely sure it's random, not sequential |
| 10:35.54 | cga | eshat, i have downloaded firefox alpha with webm support and subscribed to html5 program on youtube. videos rock! |
| 10:36.01 | themill | eshat: vlc 1.1 was uploaded to unstable this morning. ffmpeg 0.6 has been in experimental for a while. You can use http://packages.qa.debian.org/ to find these things out yourself. |
| 10:36.33 | frikinz_ | They'd also have to guess the sequence number. Eventhough from memory, rst is accepted for a range AROUND the exact sequence number. |
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| 10:37.45 | eshat | themill: thank you |
| 10:38.17 | frikinz_ | You could block rst but there are also desync attack which does not involve rst. The attacker just need to send one byte and the client/server would be desynchronised |
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| 10:41.16 | djura-san | o/ |
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| 10:41.55 | eshat | Does "Accepted vlc 1.1.0-1 (source all i386)" mean, that the amd64 version has not been uploaded yet ? |
| 10:43.40 | pkkm | frikinz_, what version was TCP source port randomization included in |
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| 10:45.15 | themill | eshat: it means that the maintainer only an i386 version. The rest will be built by the buildd network -- check the buildd info on the RHS of the page |
| 10:45.23 | frikinz_ | pkkm: not sure but I'd say before udp. and udp is http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commit;h=32c1da70810017a98aa6c431a5494a302b6b9a30 |
| 10:46.23 | eshat | themill: I never knew about amd64 version beening generaded automatically |
| 10:46.34 | eshat | good to know, thanks |
| 10:46.43 | themill | eshat: the "buildd: more" link s usually the most useful. It shows that amd64 has been built but not yet uploaded -- an amd64 buildd admin needs to verify that the build was in fact correct and then sign it and upload. |
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| 10:47.33 | frikinz_ | pkkm: http://lkml.indiana.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0504.2/0349.html. So in 2005. |
| 10:47.51 | themill | eshat: normally, the maintainer only builds for one architecture (whatever they have on their box) and the buildd network covers all others. Often the amd64 version will be the one generated by the maintainer and the i386 one will be auto generated. |
| 10:48.28 | themill | eshat: For a few packages, the maintainer actually uploads multiple archs at once -- I think I've seen KDE uploads where i386 and amd64 have been uploaded by the maintainer in one hit. |
| 10:49.04 | eshat | themill: wow, that is a great feature, I guess I could get that information on the debian documentation pages |
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| 10:53.56 | KenJoey | Hi |
| 10:56.19 | frikinz_ | eshat: https://buildd.debian.org/fetch.cgi?&pkg=vlc&ver=1.1.0-1&arch=amd64&stamp=1277535874&file=log looks like it has built |
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| 11:03.41 | pkkm | thanks frikinz_ |
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| 11:05.34 | frikinz_ | pkkm: you're welcome! |
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| 11:08.15 | eshat | does anyine know, how I easily get an ascci border around selected text in emacs ? |
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| 11:14.54 | pkkm | eshat, look at http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/ArtistMode or google for "emacs artist mode". |
| 11:15.09 | eshat | pkkm: thanks |
| 11:15.17 | pkkm | eshat, no problem |
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| 11:19.11 | eshat | Well I am looking for a way, to get a border like this: |
| 11:19.20 | eshat | ââââââââââââââââââââââââââââââââââââââââââââââââââââââââââââââââââââââââââââââââ |
| 11:19.22 | eshat | â vlc 1.1.0-1 (amd64) 26 Jun 2010 06:46 â |
| 11:19.23 | eshat | ââââââââââââââââââââââââââââââââââââââââââââââââââââââââââââââââââââââââââââââââ |
| 11:19.41 | eshat | puuh, not kicked out :D |
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| 11:21.40 | themill | !spank eshat |
| 11:21.40 | dpkg | bends eshat over its knee and delivers a mighty *THWACK* |
| 11:22.02 | eshat | :D won't happen again |
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| 11:24.55 | yziquel | hi. i've been aptitude safeupgrading my box, and wifi is screwed up. |
| 11:25.25 | yziquel | network manager isn't looking for wifi networks anymore... any help... |
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| 11:28.26 | themill | upgrading from what to what? |
| 11:28.59 | yziquel | themill: recent upgrade after months offline... |
| 11:29.22 | yziquel | i'm following testing. |
| 11:30.13 | themill | so you've presumably got a new kernel and new network-manager in that time. Have you rebooted into the new kernel? is n-m running? |
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| 11:35.10 | yziquel | iwconfig says IEEE 802.11bg ESSID:"" Mode Managed Frequency 2.412 GHz Access Point Not Associated Tx Power 27dBm Retry min limit 7 RTS thr off Fragment thr off Encryption key off Power management off Link quality 0 Signal level 0 Noise level 0 Rx invalid nwid 0 Rx invalid crypt 0 Rx invalid frag 0 Tx excessive retries 0 Invalid misc 0 Missed beacon 0. i'm using kernel 2.6.30 2 with doens't seem to have changed. networkmanager is runni |
| 11:35.19 | yziquel | while it should be looking for networks. |
| 11:37.15 | themill | while I doubt it would actually solve anything, that's quite an old kernel. 2.6.32-5-* is the current kernel in squeeze. |
| 11:38.48 | yziquel | ok. i'll try bringing the new kernel to my box with a usb key. |
| 11:38.53 | yziquel | thanks |
| 11:38.59 | r0fl | i get some weird nfs quota errors for just some files in one big nfs share. i have 101G avail in it, i can edit this share just fine. but somehow i get quota limit exceeded for single files. i don't have any quota settings on any nfs share and those files have 0byte when i check them on the nfs server, so they have been deleted |
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| 11:40.18 | themill | yziquel: the kernel package has dependencies that you will need to grab too |
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| 11:41.07 | apostle | my flash player plays no sound in debian lenny, can someone help? |
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| 11:42.40 | yziquel | themill: yes. that already look painful. moreover the wifi driver is a broadcom thingy, so there is a special package for microcode or something like that. it looks even more painful. |
| 11:43.54 | themill | yziquel: ahh. yes. painful. |
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| 11:59.03 | imasaint | What's the best Linux live CD? |
| 11:59.22 | imasaint | What's the best Linux live CD for laptops and has drivers compatible with wireless network chips? |
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| 12:06.13 | amee2k | how do i change the system-wide default locale? |
| 12:08.51 | themill | !locale |
| 12:08.51 | dpkg | rumour has it, locale is a set of rules for presenting information to humans according to local conventions (date format, thousands separators, language, etc.). See http://wiki.debian.org/Locale and http://mywiki.wooledge.org/locale for more info. <locales> |
| 12:09.07 | themill | !locales |
| 12:09.08 | dpkg | Use `dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates locale definitions and also edits /etc/default/locale which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time. Use "LANG=C command" to change the output language for a one off command; ask me about <localised errors>. http://wiki.debian.org/Locale |
| 12:09.13 | themill | second time lucky |
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| 12:19.00 | amee2k | hmmm thanks themill :) |
| 12:19.23 | amee2k | its still interresting because gnome-terminal seems to insist that ANSI is my default locale |
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| 12:19.33 | amee2k | even though i've set en_US.utf8 |
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| 12:21.29 | Freelancer | hej |
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| 12:22.34 | frikinz_ | amee2k: for the title? |
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| 12:23.52 | frikinz_ | title has a special setting if you want utf8 |
| 12:24.10 | amee2k | no, in terminal -> set character encoding |
| 12:24.22 | amee2k | in the menu |
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| 12:25.41 | frikinz_ | ah no, it's actually xterm that has a special setting, not gnome-terminal |
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| 12:34.28 | eshat | what is the nicest way to display the partition table in a shell script: I already tried "cfdisk -P s /dev/sda" but am not too happy with the output |
| 12:36.08 | Ikarus | eshat: fdisk -l /dev/sda ? |
| 12:36.43 | eshat | Ikarus: I would like to have the sizes in Byte or MByte instead of cylinders |
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| 12:39.34 | Ikarus | eshat: sfdisk -l -uM /dev/sda ? |
| 12:39.59 | eshat | Ikarus: perfect,.. .thanks |
| 12:40.30 | Ikarus | why do you need it btw ? |
| 12:41.12 | eshat | Ikarus: writing a script to sync from a prototype, and the partiton table should be listed during installation process |
| 12:41.31 | eshat | prototype = computer |
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| 12:42.53 | poisonbit | nother way to see fdisk -l is file -s /dev/sda |
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| 12:44.01 | poisonbit | eshat, to "clone" partition table, you can use just dd |
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| 12:44.26 | eshat | poisonbit: I know, well it is not to clone a partition, it is a special installation script |
| 12:45.25 | eshat | we use it t university to sync 300 computers with one prototype running the actual distribution |
| 12:45.29 | poisonbit | I said clone "partition table", not cloning the full partition, I don't know how special is that script and what it does :) |
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| 12:46.08 | eshat | poisonbit: well, the partition table should not be modified by a script, rather be checked by a human sitting infront of the monitor ;) |
| 12:46.22 | BrixSat | hello i hav installed debian squeeze and during boot in grub i dont see windows 7 option? |
| 12:46.40 | eshat | BrixSat: try installing os-prober in debian and run update-grub |
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| 12:47.31 | poisonbit | eshat, then fdisk -l, file -s /dev/sda or /proc/partitions should work in any base debian to get some information |
| 12:47.42 | eshat | poisonbit: thanks |
| 12:47.58 | BrixSat | eshat, just that? |
| 12:48.32 | eshat | BrixSat: well I am not using squeeze, so I do not know for sure... but you could try running os-prober, it should list all systems found on your computer |
| 12:48.50 | eshat | BrixSat: if windows also there, then update-grub should create an entry, |
| 12:49.01 | BrixSat | :) |
| 12:49.21 | what_if | Please help.. I just installed debian and it is already broken.. Udev requires a newer kernel to install... BUT I have multiple package problems (due to another bug) please help |
| 12:49.52 | eshat | what_if: which debian version, |
| 12:49.57 | poisonbit | what_if, install stable |
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| 12:50.15 | pkkm | eshat, still want ASCII borders |
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| 12:50.16 | pkkm | ? |
| 12:50.23 | what_if | I installed stable, then followed the instructions to install KDE4, now here I am |
| 12:50.26 | eshat | pkkm: sure :D |
| 12:50.41 | rozie | what_if: stable doesn't have KDE4 |
| 12:51.04 | rozie | what_if: did you mix stable with testing/unstable? |
| 12:51.10 | cotalpha | i inserted the earphone plug into the laptop jack but sound still comes from laptop speakers. help. |
| 12:51.13 | eshat | what_if: well if you just installed it, there should be any important data you could lose, so I would recommend installing again |
| 12:51.41 | eshat | pkkm: so, how to get ASCII Borders ? |
| 12:51.57 | pkkm | eshat, I was eating dinner, now I returned and wrote simple Perl one-liner for you. Notice every line must be the same length. |
| 12:51.57 | pkkm | perl -e '@in = <>;s/\n// foreach @in;print "â";print "â" foreach 1..length($in[0]);print "â\n";print "â$_â\n" foreach @in;print "â";print "â" foreach 1..length($in[0]);print "â\n";' |
| 12:52.00 | pkkm | try it |
| 12:52.19 | what_if | I followed the instructions at http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde4.html after installing... are these incorrect ? |
| 12:52.22 | eshat | pkkm: wow, great :D |
| 12:52.38 | eshat | pkkm: would be better if there was an emacs command, but this does what I need,.... |
| 12:53.28 | eshat | pkkm: did you write this for the last hour ? :D |
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| 12:54.34 | pkkm | eshat, about 10 minutes |
| 12:54.41 | eshat | pkkm: not bad |
| 12:54.52 | eshat | script saved,...thank you,... |
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| 12:55.01 | pkkm | np :) |
| 12:55.47 | what_if | Would installing the testing branch work instead of putting KDE4 on stable? |
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| 12:56.47 | eshat | what_if: I do not know, what could go wrong by simply installing KDE4 on stable ? does squueze have KDE 4? |
| 12:57.01 | eshat | if not, you should consider using testing |
| 12:58.17 | what_if | ok, will install testing and see how it goes, new install, no data to lose. Need KDE4 (in college, learning QT4 ). thanks to all |
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| 13:32.41 | hanibanaa | can nmap realize existence of a load-balancer at target network? |
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| 13:37.40 | at0m | hanibanaa: #nmap ? |
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| 13:40.47 | hanibanaa | at0m: yes thanks |
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| 13:47.03 | solar_sea__ | Can anyone help me with "Waiting for root filesystem". I've installed 32bit lenny on atom 330 based system with a single sata harddrive |
| 13:47.33 | solar_sea__ | (I'm currently chrooted from the lenny netinstall) |
| 13:47.59 | solar_sea__ | /etc/fstab seems ok (same device names as in kernel log) |
| 13:48.15 | solar_sea__ | I've tried installing udev, it says it's already the latest version |
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| 13:49.01 | poisonbit | solar_sea__, reviw the bug tracker, it's a known issue |
| 13:49.23 | solar_sea__ | poisonbit: I can, I'm having a hard time with links/lynx, any quick known workarounds ? |
| 13:49.58 | poisonbit | I'm in stable, and only tested squeeze from scratch... but sure someone here knows |
| 13:50.24 | poisonbit | lot of people last day with that issue |
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| 13:51.59 | poisonbit | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=52797 ? |
| 13:52.29 | poisonbit | mmm no, no that link |
| 13:55.59 | acathur | !waiting for root filesystem |
| 13:55.59 | dpkg | If you've recently upgraded your kernel and your system hangs at "waiting for the root filesystem", this may be from the <libata> transition. /dev/hd? disks might now be known as /dev/sd?. At the GRUB menu, press e to edit the entry, change the ROOT= part, then press b to boot. You need to edit your /boot/grub/menu.lst and perhaps also your /etc/fstab. Also ask me about <can't mount root>, <uuid>. |
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| 13:56.24 | solar_sea__ | I see, checking asap |
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| 14:07.41 | randy23 | hello! I have a fairly new thinkpad x201 - I can't get the ethernetcard / wirelesscard to work at all |
| 14:07.53 | eshat | randy23: I have the same notebook |
| 14:08.09 | eshat | randy23: you need a kernel with e1000e module enabled |
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| 14:08.13 | jordanm | !kmuto |
| 14:08.14 | dpkg | For Debian Lenny installers with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ . The <bnx2> and <bnx2x> firmware files for Linux 2.6.32 are included in 0116 images. |
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| 14:08.22 | eshat | randy23: I think that is at least 2.6.32 |
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| 14:08.32 | jordanm | randy23: try the kmuto installer or the kernel in backports if you are already installed |
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| 14:10.06 | ongolaBoy | hello .How come that when I type `ps aux` , I noticed init twice ? |
| 14:10.38 | jarick | ongolaBoy: Paste the output in a pastebin? |
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| 14:11.10 | randy23 | jordanm: i have no cennectivity at all (neither wirelss ) |
| 14:11.13 | jordanm | ongolaBoy: are you by chance doing: ps aux | grep init; and seeing two lines return? |
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| 14:11.38 | jordanm | randy23: then you will need to manually transfer the backports kernel via a usb drive |
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| 14:11.55 | bolt | just logged in with SSH one-time passwords... "BUSH LONG HANG BALL COCK AVE". Brilliant. |
| 14:12.05 | ongolaBoy | jarick: will be difficult from where I stand :) |
| 14:12.20 | jordanm | ,depeneds linux-image-2.6.32-bpo.5-686 |
| 14:12.35 | jordanm | ,depends linux-image-2.6.32-bpo.5-686 |
| 14:12.37 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'linux-image-2.6.32-bpo.5-686' was found in lenny/i386. |
| 14:12.47 | jordanm | ,depends linux-image-2.6.32-bpo.5-686 --release lenny-backports |
| 14:12.47 | randy23 | jordanm: ok...but i am a absolute newbie....what files do i need? |
| 14:12.48 | judd | linux-image-2.6.32-bpo.5-686 -- depends: module-init-tools, linux-base (>= 2.6.32-15~bpo50+1), initramfs-tools (>= 0.55) | linux-initramfs-tool. |
| 14:13.02 | ongolaBoy | jordanm: nop. I see in the "command" comlumn `init [2]` |
| 14:13.18 | jordanm | randy23: the linux-image- above, and linux-base |
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| 14:19.49 | eptalon | heyas |
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| 14:32.25 | marko90 | hi, guys! |
| 14:32.36 | marko90 | got a little issue, could you please help& |
| 14:32.38 | marko90 | & |
| 14:32.39 | marko90 | ? |
| 14:32.51 | Bushmills | not a lot of medical experts here |
| 14:33.09 | marko90 | it's a debian issue, not medical |
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| 14:33.38 | Bushmills | misleading. you mentioned that *you* have an issue |
| 14:34.01 | jk4 | hi I need help. |
| 14:34.11 | jk4 | What to do about this: |
| 14:34.18 | jk4 | WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! |
| 14:34.19 | jk4 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:34.20 | jk4 | Install these packages without verification [y/N]? |
| 14:34.24 | marko90 | Bushmills: hm |
| 14:34.54 | streuner | judd, versions libgmp3c2 |
| 14:34.55 | judd | libgmp3c2 -- etch: 2:4.2.1+dfsg-4; lenny: 2:4.2.2+dfsg-3; sid: 2:4.3.2+dfsg-1; squeeze: 2:4.3.2+dfsg-1 |
| 14:35.04 | Bushmills | jk4: you might need debian-archive-keyring |
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| 14:35.22 | streuner | dpkg, listvals verification |
| 14:35.22 | jpinx-eeepc | apt-keyring - or whatever it's called |
| 14:35.24 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'verification' by value (5): 2006 key ;; hcl ;; bacula ;; sav ;; why not sav. |
| 14:35.24 | rking | Why isn't debian-archive-keyring installed by default? |
| 14:35.41 | ddnc | hi guys, I want to move a Lenny install to a new HD without reinstalling, I've tried to copy the root partition, chroot + grub-update + grub-install, but it doesn't work when I try to reboot seems it can't find init, any hints before I try with partimage? |
| 14:36.02 | jpinx-eeepc | ddnc: try dd |
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| 14:36.03 | themill | rking: it is, but the keys have to be rotated from time to time |
| 14:36.27 | jk4 | it is already installed |
| 14:36.32 | rking | themill: Hrm... I just did a lenny install last week and then immediately had to install the keyring stuff. =\ |
| 14:36.43 | marko90 | anyway, there is an ath5k hardware and it can create wireless networks but cannot see existing networks (from liveimage); so i thought maybe it's about the debian live and the wireless is about to be working in normal installation |
| 14:36.46 | jordanm | ddnc: when doing a file restoration onto new hardware, you MUST fix /boot/grub/menu.lst and /etc/fstab which are specific to your hold hard drive |
| 14:36.48 | jpinx-eeepc | are they not rotated with updating? |
| 14:37.08 | themill | rking: old media? |
| 14:37.10 | jordanm | s/hold/old/ |
| 14:37.15 | ddnc | pinx-eeepc: with dd what happens when the target partition is bigger than the original partition? |
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| 14:37.39 | jk4 | apt-get update does not work on my system. |
| 14:37.54 | jpinx-eeepc | jk4: try aptitude |
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| 14:38.16 | themill | jk4: what does "doesn't work" mean? Stick the entire output in a pastebin. /msg dpkg paste |
| 14:38.45 | rking | themill: Naw, it was a direct download-install-whine_about_authentication path. |
| 14:38.59 | marko90 | the wlan0 is displayed from ifconfig, but NetworManager cannot see the newroks |
| 14:39.26 | rking | themill: I'm not worried about it---something might've gotten screwed up along the way. As long as the distro's intent is to have it already installed I'm not stressing about it. |
| 14:39.58 | ddnc | Jordan_U: only checked /boot/grub/menus.lst but not /etc/fstab, BRB |
| 14:40.15 | themill | rking: you can get odd errors like that if the time is quite wrong during installation -- keys have validity etc. Yes, it should be installed by default |
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| 15:04.32 | bdc1959 | I'm new to debian. How do tell from where a package came if I know the package name? |
| 15:05.01 | eptalon | bdc1959: apt-cache show <packagename> |
| 15:05.08 | bdc1959 | Thanks. |
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| 15:05.25 | eptalon | bdc1959: also works for uninstalled packages. |
| 15:05.46 | bdc1959 | Yes, I see that, thanks very much. |
| 15:06.27 | qq- | apt-cache policy <packagename> |
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| 15:10.26 | eptalon | If I have a setup of sda, sdb, sdc, sdd; and sda has no partitions, where (and how) would I install the bootloader grub2? |
| 15:11.02 | jelly-hme | eptalon: why does it have no partitions? |
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| 15:11.55 | eptalon | jelly-hme: It's one of those 4k-sector drives. |
| 15:12.18 | eptalon | and my (rebuliding) array is now made of sda, sdb1, and sdc1. |
| 15:12.54 | eptalon | and sdd contains my md0/md1 I am booting from. |
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| 15:13.41 | eptalon | or I would boot from If I had a working bootloader. |
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| 15:15.04 | jelly-hme | eptalon: if you can choose a hard disk to boot from in bios, choose sdb or sdc or sdd, put that as (hd0) in /boot/grub/device.map, and grub-install in that disk |
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| 15:15.55 | eptalon | ok. |
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| 15:21.17 | rysiek|pl | hi all |
| 15:21.35 | rysiek|pl | guys, I am trying to get WEP up and running in debian-installer (debian testing) |
| 15:21.54 | rysiek|pl | seems like DHCP config doesn't leave anough time for wifi association here |
| 15:22.06 | rysiek|pl | can't find iwconfig nor iwlist anywhere |
| 15:22.14 | rysiek|pl | how does debian-installer configure wifi? |
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| 15:33.22 | eshat | I have no image, only sound in .mov files, since I installed ffmpeg 0.6 from experimental |
| 15:34.06 | jpinx | eshat: what release are you using? |
| 15:34.14 | eshat | sid |
| 15:34.27 | eshat | and I mean the VLC player |
| 15:35.22 | jpinx | welcome to sid :) |
| 15:35.26 | jpinx | !sid |
| 15:35.26 | dpkg | sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. Sid is the destructive kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in; sid is not supported in #debian because sid users should be able to solve their own problems. Sid will never be released. See also <sid faq> <unstable>. |
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| 15:36.13 | themill | eshat: is vlc in sid built against ffmpeg in experimental? (hint: nothing in sid is build against experimental) |
| 15:36.43 | eshat | themill: rhetorical question :D well, ok than that is the reason ,... |
| 15:37.03 | rysiek|pl | soo anybody knows what debian-installer uses "under the hood" to configure wifi? |
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| 15:39.44 | Chris___ | Is there some way I can auto-say "yes" to apt-get upgrade? So I can put "apt-get update; apt-get upgrade" on a cron job |
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| 15:40.12 | rysiek|pl | Chris___: that is not a good idea |
| 15:40.22 | Chris___ | why not? |
| 15:40.24 | rysiek|pl | Chris___: *always* review the upgrades. *laways* |
| 15:40.47 | rysiek|pl | Chris___: because it's a very important system action |
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| 15:41.26 | rysiek|pl | Chris___: I just add apt-get update && apt-get -d upgrade |
| 15:41.48 | rysiek|pl | Chris___: this updates the package lists and *downloasd* the upgraded packages, *without* installing them |
| 15:42.12 | rysiek|pl | Chris___: and I get a nice e-mail with the info, so I know when to ssh and fire-up the apt-get upgrade by hand |
| 15:42.13 | jelly-hme | rysiek|pl: apt-get -dy upgrde is nice! |
| 15:42.21 | rysiek|pl | aye |
| 15:42.23 | jelly-hme | a. |
| 15:42.38 | jelly-hme | anyhoo... use aptitude. |
| 15:42.44 | jelly-hme | !why aptitude |
| 15:42.44 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often find a solution where apt-get gives up. It can be used from the command line like apt-get plus an interactive resolver makes it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). |
| 15:42.52 | rysiek|pl | +1 on that |
| 15:43.15 | Chris___ | what the packages are don't mean too much to me. I don't know many of the technical details, I just want to keep my system updated, without having to remember about them. |
| 15:43.51 | rysiek|pl | Chris___: yeah, but there sometimes might be some conflicts; you better not have them ron-over automagically |
| 15:44.11 | jhutchins_lt | FUD |
| 15:44.25 | rysiek|pl | explain/elaborate |
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| 15:45.29 | rysiek|pl | jhutchins_lt: and if FUD, are you for automagic apt-get -y upgrade in a cronjob? |
| 15:46.12 | jelly-hme | he's just hungry and misspelling |
| 15:46.12 | jhutchins_lt | rysiek|pl: Actually, I use cron-apt. |
| 15:46.44 | rysiek|pl | jelly-hme: I don't think the fact he's Hungarian has anything to do with that... ;) |
| 15:46.46 | jhutchins_lt | rysiek|pl: If there are conflicts they won't complete the install. |
| 15:48.13 | rysiek|pl | jhutchins_lt: "Observe that this tool may be a security risk, so you should not set it to do more than necessary. Automatic upgrade of all packages is NOT recommended unless you are in full control of the package repository." |
| 15:48.36 | rysiek|pl | and obviously it depends where you use it. |
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| 15:48.51 | rysiek|pl | anywhoo - anybody knows anythin on debian-installer + wifi? :) |
| 15:48.53 | rysiek|pl | pretty please? |
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| 15:52.50 | jpinx | !ssb |
| 15:52.51 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <backports.org>. If unavailable: 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list 2) enable backports.org (see <bpo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 15:54.55 | action09 | hi all, is the salt value in linux password are nowadays 4096 ? |
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| 15:56.01 | eptalon | heyas |
| 15:56.21 | eptalon | how would I find a logical volume on my rebuilding RAID? |
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| 15:57.02 | action09 | lvm display ? |
| 15:57.08 | action09 | or something like that.. |
| 15:57.38 | macrobat | lvdisplay |
| 15:57.45 | action09 | yes! |
| 15:57.52 | eptalon | thx |
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| 15:59.42 | yziquel | themill: hi. installed new kernel, and installed b43-fwcutter with firmware-b43-installer. installation seems to work fine, but wifi doesn't work. i get a SIOCSIFFLAGS error 132 when doing a ifconfig wlan1 up. it seems that b43 isn't loaded properly by the kernel... |
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| 16:02.34 | action09 | indeed for my question it's not cyphered |
| 16:02.54 | action09 | i mean seed is readable, the fomrat of a password is: $1$SEED$HASHPASS |
| 16:03.11 | action09 | $1$. indicate that this is a password hashed using the MD5 algorithm. |
| 16:03.33 | yziquel | themill: sorry. it now works. thanks for everything. |
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| 16:12.11 | lor | hi |
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| 16:12.25 | lor | do you know anything about "111/tcp open rpcbind" ? |
| 16:13.18 | DipSwitch | rpc = remote procedure call |
| 16:13.44 | lor | yeah |
| 16:13.52 | lor | this is a webserver and gaming server. do I really need it? |
| 16:14.08 | DipSwitch | guess not? |
| 16:14.20 | DipSwitch | depends on the game maybe? |
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| 16:14.58 | heranyou | hi |
| 16:15.17 | lor | DipSwitch, the game has nothing to do with RPC, it's a simple standalone server |
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| 16:15.28 | DipSwitch | then kill the service |
| 16:15.34 | lor | ok |
| 16:15.36 | DipSwitch | and run some tests to see if everything is working? |
| 16:15.47 | lor | ok |
| 16:16.01 | lor | also, with a netstat -lp, I have found: |
| 16:16.02 | lor | tcp 0 0 localhost.localdoma:918 *:* LISTEN 1166/famd |
| 16:16.09 | lor | is this normal? |
| 16:16.55 | Texou | hey guys :) 5.0.5 is released :) |
| 16:16.58 | DipSwitch | don't know what famd is :p |
| 16:17.10 | bartm | File Alteration Monitor (FAM) daemon |
| 16:17.13 | Bushmills | file alteration monitor daemon |
| 16:17.29 | DipSwitch | for IPS? |
| 16:18.01 | lor | is fam really useful? is it security-related? |
| 16:18.24 | Bushmills | essentially a inotify agent |
| 16:18.36 | lor | For example, a file manager application can detect if some file has changed and can then update a displayed icon and/or filename. |
| 16:18.40 | Bushmills | user programs can request being signalled when a file or directory contents change |
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| 16:18.48 | lor | I don't even have X on that machine... |
| 16:19.17 | heranyou | hello |
| 16:19.17 | heranyou | I search a pdf organizer for debian |
| 16:19.17 | Bushmills | yes. it is useful. no, i have no idea whether you find it useful |
| 16:19.59 | mdik | heranyou: pdf _organizer_? how does it work? |
| 16:21.18 | heranyou | mp3 <- itunes |
| 16:21.18 | heranyou | pdf <- ??? |
| 16:22.06 | bartm | heranyou: do you mean a program to read pdf documents? |
| 16:22.18 | heranyou | yes and no |
| 16:22.22 | mdik | heranyou: maybe a desktop search like nepomuk/strigi? |
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| 16:23.25 | heranyou | a program to manage my pdf documents |
| 16:23.36 | DipSwitch | heranyou: calibre? |
| 16:23.45 | mdik | but i guess pdfs arent that easy to manage because people give a shit about their pdf-headers... |
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| 16:25.08 | DipSwitch | heranyou: found 4 others |
| 16:25.10 | DipSwitch | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:25.11 | DipSwitch | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:25.11 | DipSwitch | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:25.11 | DipSwitch | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:25.11 | DipSwitch | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:25.24 | k\t | lolz |
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| 16:25.27 | DipSwitch | lame :+ |
| 16:25.27 | heranyou | yes tank you |
| 16:25.27 | bartm | DipSwitch: 4 is not 5 :) |
| 16:25.52 | DipSwitch | ^ forgot to remove the 1ste ^^ |
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| 16:26.45 | *** topic/#debian by themill -> lenny (5.0.5) /msg dpkg 5.0.5 | etch no longer on mirrors: /msg dpkg etch->lenny | NO FLOOD: /msg dpkg pastebin | /msg bots NOT people | offtopic: #debian-offtopic | FAQ: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIRC | channel logs: http://purl.rikers.org/%23debian |
| 16:26.57 | themill | (topicdiff: 5.0.5 released) |
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| 16:27.59 | Texou | :) |
| 16:28.29 | heranyou | dip switch thank you very mutch |
| 16:28.38 | DipSwitch | np |
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| 16:31.08 | Matic`Makovec | Hum...I'm not sure I understand what dpkg means with <point release>...could anyone please point me to correct _syntax_? :< |
| 16:31.22 | Blackvel | lenny only includes postfix 2.5.5? no 2.6 or 2.7? |
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| 16:31.59 | bartm | Matic`Makovec: try typing this: /msg dpkg point release |
| 16:32.19 | Matic`Makovec | Blackvel, try looking at http://packages.debian.org |
| 16:32.27 | Matic`Makovec | bartm, let's see... |
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| 16:33.10 | Matic`Makovec | Oh, that's it...I thought it says something more/different. Thank you, bartm |
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| 16:34.31 | lor | is there an app to disable services at boot? |
| 16:34.53 | eptalon | lor: what services? |
| 16:35.25 | Blackvel | chkconfig |
| 16:35.36 | lor | rc.d and whatever runs at boot |
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| 16:36.20 | korkman | also: sysv-rc-conf |
| 16:36.35 | Xenguy | lor: rcconf is one |
| 16:36.36 | lor | ok thx |
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| 16:37.31 | DipSwitch | lor: check /etc/rc.2/ you can change startup of services with update-rc.d @ console |
| 16:37.48 | lor | rcconf looks perfect |
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| 16:38.36 | eptalon | lor: there was also a package which let you change it so oyu have one file runlevle.conf, or sometuch |
| 16:39.01 | eptalon | it no longer uses rc-like confs |
| 16:40.04 | lor | there's no reference to rpcbind (111) |
| 16:40.25 | lor | can I disable it by commenting this: |
| 16:40.27 | lor | sunrpc 111/udp portmapper |
| 16:40.32 | lor | in /etc/services |
| 16:40.32 | lor | ? |
| 16:40.34 | Xenguy | Looks like ssh-vulnkeys relies on openssh-blacklist ? |
| 16:40.37 | korkman | nope |
| 16:40.39 | DipSwitch | lor: nope |
| 16:40.41 | Xenguy | oops |
| 16:41.28 | korkman | wasn't portmapper part of xinetd? |
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| 16:41.41 | jhutchins_lt | lor: /etc/services is just a reference, it doesn't control anything. |
| 16:42.03 | korkman | nfs requires portmapper |
| 16:42.18 | jhutchins_lt | lor: There may be a control file in /etc/defaults, or use rcconf or something similar to manage the links in /etc/rc.d. |
| 16:42.43 | themill | lor: portmapper is used by nfs and fam to monitor file modifications |
| 16:42.56 | korkman | lor: so do not disable it |
| 16:43.05 | lor | ok |
| 16:43.12 | jhutchins_lt | Blackvel: chkconfig doesn't exist in the debian tree. |
| 16:43.12 | korkman | lor: but it can be bound to 127.0.0.1 somehow |
| 16:43.12 | lor | but is it safe to leave port 111 open? |
| 16:43.13 | DipSwitch | rpcbind = portmapper? |
| 16:43.17 | DipSwitch | no right? |
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| 16:43.54 | DipSwitch | because rpcbind is running on port 111 not portmapper ^.^ |
| 16:44.07 | Blackvel | apt-get install chkconfig |
| 16:44.45 | korkman | my netstat says portmapper :-p |
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| 16:44.58 | lor | udp 0 0 *:111 *:* 1014/portmap |
| 16:45.06 | korkman | "that thing on port 111" |
| 16:45.09 | lor | nmap says rpcbind |
| 16:45.09 | jhutchins_lt | Blackvel: I stand corrected. |
| 16:45.10 | lor | lol |
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| 16:45.31 | korkman | this is what /etc/services is used for |
| 16:45.43 | korkman | reverse lookup for port service names |
| 16:46.26 | DipSwitch | lor use: netstat -nltp |
| 16:46.34 | korkman | /etc/default/portmap |
| 16:46.37 | DipSwitch | to check what services are running since you have access to the machine |
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| 16:46.46 | korkman | look there you can bind it to 127.0.0.1 |
| 16:46.50 | lor | looks like famd is bound to localhost |
| 16:46.52 | dutchfish | lor: if dont need nfs or samba you can uninstall portmap |
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| 16:47.21 | lor | I don't need anything but lighttpd+php-cgi :P |
| 16:47.30 | dutchfish | lor: well then |
| 16:47.56 | Blackvel | "chkconfig -A -l" is what you are looking for different rc run levels |
| 16:48.22 | septic | I have this old box running etch, when I am doing 'apt-get update' I get 404. What should be the best action for me? Can I point my /etc/apt/sources.list to some old etch archive, or should i upgrade to lenny? |
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| 16:49.04 | korkman | septic: upgrade. |
| 16:49.09 | DipSwitch | septic: guess so if i may believe the channel topic |
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| 16:49.31 | jhutchins_lt | Is there a command to install recommended packages? |
| 16:49.47 | Blackvel | septic: do you link to stable? |
| 16:49.49 | DipSwitch | jhutchins_lt: aptitude does this automatically for you |
| 16:50.12 | septic | Blackvel, i link to main, is that the same as stable? |
| 16:50.21 | jhutchins_lt | DipSwitch: Not by default, it displays but does not install recommended packages. I'm looking for a pass to go back and install them after an update. |
| 16:50.46 | DipSwitch | ow hehe my bad |
| 16:51.09 | jhutchins_lt | septic: You should point your sources at an archive, update, then upgrade to lenny. |
| 16:51.20 | jhutchins_lt | !tell septic about etch->lenny |
| 16:54.11 | lor | great! with all that stuff disabled I reboot in 10 seconds |
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| 16:54.34 | korkman | lor: with or without bios? |
| 16:54.41 | DipSwitch | then i have no idea jhutchins_lt srry |
| 16:54.44 | lor | without |
| 16:54.47 | lor | it's XEN |
| 16:55.24 | xxtjaxx | lor: have you tried booting from s2disk cuts the time in half |
| 16:55.39 | lor | nah 10 seconds is fast enough for me |
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| 16:56.02 | lor | also suspending to disk will take more space I think |
| 16:56.23 | xxtjaxx | well okay I only got it working on my laptop(eeePC901) |
| 16:56.34 | korkman | s2disk would be really slow compared, with e.g. 2 gb memory |
| 16:56.44 | Cain | jhutchins_lt : aptitude -r |
| 16:56.56 | xxtjaxx | korkman: not from an ssd :) |
| 16:56.57 | lor | it's a vps slice, 10GB and 256MB ram + 512MB swap |
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| 16:57.37 | korkman | xxtjaxx: only if your ssd does 200 mb/s? |
| 16:58.15 | Name141 | To install Debian , do I really 'need' to download all 31 ISOs/ |
| 16:58.16 | Name141 | ? |
| 16:58.30 | korkman | Name141: no you dont |
| 16:58.31 | xxtjaxx | Name141: no |
| 16:58.31 | Xenguy | Name141: absolutely not |
| 16:58.41 | apotonick | hey dudes, i downloaded a weekly-build testing CD iso and wrote it to a usb stick. boots fine. now the installation wants me to point it to the cd-rom |
| 16:58.51 | Name141 | so if I want to install it on an old machine, I can just use http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.4/i386/iso-cd/debian-504-i386-xfce+lxde-CD-1.iso ? |
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| 16:59.11 | apotonick | Name141, yes, that's what i'm doing right now, too |
| 16:59.11 | Xenguy | Name141: if you have net access, you just use the 1st ISO |
| 16:59.11 | Name141 | And use lxde? |
| 16:59.29 | xxtjaxx | korkman: btw no? Usually a desktop session )XFCE only takes about 10kpages so thats fine |
| 16:59.37 | apotonick | Xenguy, i pushed exactly that image to a usb stick |
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| 16:59.47 | DipSwitch | Name141: if your pc has an i-net connection |
| 16:59.56 | DipSwitch | use netinst |
| 17:00.09 | apotonick | is there netinst for testing, too? |
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| 17:00.11 | Name141 | DipSwitch: I need to least amount of downloading possible once it's installed |
| 17:00.19 | Name141 | DipSwitch: My ISP has a FAP |
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| 17:00.21 | DipSwitch | then it will only download what you need |
| 17:00.29 | DipSwitch | while installing |
| 17:00.41 | DipSwitch | the iso is like 180mb orso |
| 17:00.50 | xxtjaxx | Name141: here have a go http://live-helper.debian.net/cgi-bin/live-helper |
| 17:00.54 | apotonick | DipSwitch, are there netinst for testing? |
| 17:00.56 | Name141 | DipSwitch: My daily bandwith limit is 425 MBs per 24 hours , unless it's 1-6 AM |
| 17:01.07 | Name141 | 1-6 AM is unlimited |
| 17:01.23 | Name141 | but usually only goes about 64 KB/sec recently. Although I pay for 181 KB/sec |
| 17:01.26 | jhutchins_lt | apotonick: installers for testing come and go, I don't know that there is a current one. Recommended procedure is to install stable and "upgrade". |
| 17:01.48 | apotonick | jhutchins, ok thanks! |
| 17:01.51 | jhutchins_lt | apotonick: Chances are if you didn't already know that you're not ready to run testing anyway. |
| 17:02.32 | Name141 | xxtjaxx: Do I need to put in stuff I know I'll need on the machine in packages ? |
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| 17:02.55 | xxtjaxx | Name141: you can choose what you want |
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| 17:03.47 | Name141 | xxtjaxx: I'm not understanding? Do I need to put stuff like "openssh-server, rar, etc ? " |
| 17:04.03 | apotonick | is 504 the current stable version? |
| 17:04.15 | DipSwitch | 5.0.5 |
| 17:04.22 | DipSwitch | check topic ^^ |
| 17:04.26 | apotonick | arg |
| 17:04.40 | xxtjaxx | Name141: if you want you can but you dont need to you can specify what you want |
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| 17:04.56 | Name141 | I'll just leave it blank and get it latter. |
| 17:05.03 | jhutchins_lt | Name141: There are some good CD services that will ship you a DVD for a reasonable price. |
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| 17:05.16 | xxtjaxx | Name141: just click thru find out :) |
| 17:05.54 | Name141 | xxtjaxx: How long are the CDs avalable on the server? |
| 17:06.06 | Name141 | available |
| 17:06.16 | apotonick | DipSwitch, thanks. |
| 17:07.01 | apotonick | so where do i get that 5.0.5 ? |
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| 17:07.41 | korkman | Name141: stable versions several years |
| 17:08.24 | jhutchins_lt | !tell apotonick about install guide |
| 17:08.31 | themill | apotonick: there's only a couple of dozen packages that have changed and, should you actually install the old version of a package, the new ones are only an "aptitude safe-upgrade" away anyway. |
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| 17:09.12 | Name141 | I'll just go for http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.4/i386/iso-cd/debian-504-i386-xfce+lxde-CD-1.iso . This would be the best option to run on an old p2 450 MHz/Voodoo3 3DFX 8MB ? |
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| 17:10.01 | jhutchins_lt | Name141: No, use 5.0.5. |
| 17:10.31 | Name141 | I don't see a 5.0.5 |
| 17:10.37 | apotonick | Name141, i can't find the 5.0.5 isos, neither |
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| 17:11.06 | Name141 | http://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/ links it to http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.4/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 17:11.13 | rozie | Name141: it doesn't matter if it's 5.0.4 or anything else |
| 17:11.29 | Name141 | :-| |
| 17:11.33 | poisonbit | read again http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100626 |
| 17:11.39 | rozie | if it's stable, then after update from security repo it'll be the same |
| 17:11.42 | jhutchins_lt | Name141: Sorry, not sure why that would be a version behind, .5 has been out afor a while. |
| 17:11.46 | poisonbit | "Please note that this update does not constitute a new version of Debian GNU/Linux 5.0 but only updates some of the packages included. There is no need to throw away 5.0 CDs or DVDs but only to update via an up-to- date Debian mirror after an installation, to cause any out of date packages to be updated." |
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| 17:12.41 | themill | jhutchins_lt: by "a while" you mean a few hours.... |
| 17:12.42 | Name141 | rozie: So 5.0.4 will update to 5.0.5 after the updates? |
| 17:12.43 | apotonick | Name141, let's go for 5.0.4 and upgrade |
| 17:12.53 | poisonbit | Name141, so, you install with 5.0.4 media and when you upgrade the system you get 5.0.5 |
| 17:12.59 | apotonick | themill, thanks |
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| 17:13.38 | jhutchins_lt | themill: Ah, didn't realize it was today's update, I must've been thinking of 4. I did notice a lot of updates today. |
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| 17:13.43 | Name141 | apotonick: so pretty much I might as well get 5.0.4 |
| 17:13.47 | themill | jhutchins_lt: :) |
| 17:13.58 | Name141 | apotonick: How long would be before 5.0.5 is there? |
| 17:14.02 | Name141 | it be* |
| 17:14.06 | jhutchins_lt | Name141: Yeah, if you want it NOW. |
| 17:14.19 | apotonick | Name141, no idea, i used ubuntu the last years |
| 17:14.24 | jhutchins_lt | .4 was May 22. |
| 17:14.25 | Name141 | jhutchins_lt: It seems to be a waste of bandwidth |
| 17:14.40 | Name141 | jhutchins_lt: Perhaps I'll check back tomorrow? |
| 17:14.52 | apotonick | is there any chance to get a netinst.iso for the xfce+lxde version? |
| 17:14.53 | jhutchins_lt | Name141: Well, look at that page poisonbit posted, you'll see what gets updated. You can do the updates on-line. |
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| 17:15.20 | themill | Name141: look at the list of packages that are updated -- chances are that you'd only have one or two of them installed anyway. Not much bandwidth in that. |
| 17:15.22 | jhutchins_lt | Name141: It's whenever the overworked, underpaid volunteers manage to get the work done and uploaded, no fixed schedule. |
| 17:15.24 | Name141 | jhutchins_lt: Like I said, the less updates I have to get later is going to be good and count less towards my daily download limit |
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| 17:15.51 | qq- | !tell Name141 about netinstall |
| 17:15.53 | Hannibal | greetings all |
| 17:16.01 | jhutchins_lt | Name141: Which is why I was saying don't do an old version, but on the other hand .4 is perfectly adequate. |
| 17:16.17 | Hannibal | how does one go about compiling a newer kernel? |
| 17:16.18 | jhutchins_lt | Name141: netinstall will be the least total download if you're only doing one machine. |
| 17:16.30 | apotonick | jhutchins_lt, is there a netinstall for xfce? |
| 17:16.31 | Name141 | eh. I'll just wait. |
| 17:16.31 | Hannibal | is there a guide of sorts that i can follow? |
| 17:17.09 | jhutchins_lt | apotonick: I haven't tried it, but I believe you can specify what packages you want; you can do a minimal console install then add whatever DE you want. |
| 17:17.13 | poisonbit | Hannibal, kernel-package |
| 17:17.16 | jhutchins_lt | Hannibal: Why do you want a newer kernel? |
| 17:17.22 | jhutchins_lt | Hannibal: Which one do you want? |
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| 17:18.27 | korkman | apotonick: netinstall comes without any desktop, so you can select xfce and not download kde |
| 17:18.34 | themill | apotonick: "netinstall" is sort of the opposite of "for install xfce". The netinstall contains only the bare minimum to do a base install. If you wanted something like xfce, grab CD1 with that on it. |
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| 17:19.52 | apotonick | themill, i did that, but i don't have a cdrom. i boot from usb, the iso starts, and the installer now wants a cd or an alternate location |
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| 17:19.52 | poisonbit | apotonick, you need to copy the iso into the usb |
| 17:19.52 | apotonick | poisonbit, did that, works fine. anyway, the installer is coded to use a cd |
| 17:20.06 | poisonbit | maybe you need some boot param |
| 17:20.07 | apotonick | so i can tell it an alternate location |
| 17:20.24 | apotonick | but when i do /dev/sda (which is my usb stick) it wouldn't work |
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| 17:20.58 | poisonbit | if i don't remember bad... when the usb-installer does not find the iso, gives some options (search the hard disks, etc...) |
| 17:21.26 | apotonick | poisonbit, the installer is the cd-iso on usb-stick |
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| 17:21.50 | poisonbit | I say, the debian _usb_ installer I've used, is not coded to use a cd |
| 17:21.51 | apotonick | it starts from usb |
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| 17:22.01 | apotonick | poisonbit, ahaaa |
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| 17:22.34 | korkman | apoto: anyways, netinst is prepared to install without any media, it connects asap to the net even for base packages |
| 17:23.27 | korkman | we should call this a netinst promotion day :) |
| 17:23.49 | poisonbit | apotonick, http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual here you have instructions to make debian usb install using a supported method |
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| 17:24.36 | apotonick | thanks |
| 17:25.37 | poisonbit | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03.html.en |
| 17:25.56 | poisonbit | http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/installer-i386/current/images/hd-media/ |
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| 17:27.21 | poisonbit | ^^^ that boot.img.gz, will boot from usb and is not "coded to use a cd", but to "search for a iso in the same usb, or fallback to other options" |
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| 17:28.25 | apotonick | poisonbit, as i said, i downloaded a cd iso and booted it from usb |
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| 17:30.31 | poisonbit | apotonick, well, sorry, what is the current issue? :) |
| 17:31.55 | Hannibal | jhutchins_lt: well my sony vaio's ethernet controller works in ubuntu's kernel (which is newer than the dtock debinan) i believe it contains an updated `sky2` module |
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| 17:32.15 | jhutchins | ,kernels |
| 17:32.17 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.34-1-686 (2.6.34-1~experimental.2); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-15); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-15); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-15~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-22lenny1); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
| 17:32.40 | apotonick | poisonbit, i guess i simply took the wrong installer for usb :-) |
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| 17:33.53 | poisonbit | apotonick, once you follow the chapter 4 section 3 to prepare the usb, you need to copy the cd-iso into the usb, it's in the same instructions |
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| 17:34.07 | Hannibal | thanks jhutchins |
| 17:34.31 | apotonick | poisonbit, yeah, thanks |
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| 17:34.44 | poisonbit | np |
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| 17:35.12 | jhutchins | Hannibal: Does one of those support your card? |
| 17:35.15 | thepro4ever | is there a free movie streamer that is easier than vlc media player, i hate having to stop it rename a file to store my music too then start it again |
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| 17:36.28 | Hannibal | jhutchins: well the one in ubuntu looks like 2.6.31-14, so i think that from there onwards seems good |
| 17:36.28 | jhutchins | thepro4ever: icecast reportedly streams some formats. |
| 17:36.43 | jhutchins | !tell Hannibal about backports |
| 17:36.50 | poisonbit | thepro4ever, vls? I haven't used it |
| 17:36.54 | JyZyXEL | i wonder how much slower a swapfile on a ext3 is compared to swap partition? |
| 17:37.06 | Hannibal | thanks again jhutchins |
| 17:37.14 | jelly-hme | JyZyXEL: try it and see. Not much. |
| 17:37.15 | jhutchins | JyZyXEL: I doubt if you'll be able to tell the difference. |
| 17:37.32 | JyZyXEL | well currently none of my machines even have swap :_D |
| 17:37.57 | jelly-hme | that does not surprise at all |
| 17:38.13 | JyZyXEL | only one time i have ran out of memory on my server and that caused a little panic message |
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| 17:39.42 | poisonbit | Hannibal, did you installed debian in that laptop? or the sky2 issue stops you to doing it? if so /msg dpkg kmuto |
| 17:40.37 | Hannibal | poisonbit: i did a debootstrap from the ubuntu live |
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| 17:40.47 | Hannibal | i kinda gave up on kmuto :p |
| 17:41.30 | poisonbit | why ? |
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| 17:42.43 | Hannibal | poisonbit: it had an oder version of the sky2 module as well, therefore i couldn't install at all :p |
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| 17:43.35 | poisonbit | it uses the same kernel as in backports.org plus some firmware addons |
| 17:43.59 | poisonbit | 2.6.32 I think |
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| 17:45.02 | Hannibal | hmm i'm not sure then.. but all i know is that ethernet works in the ubuntu kernel, and it doesn't in the vanilla debian kernel :p |
| 17:45.31 | poisonbit | and do you get any error un dmesg ? |
| 17:45.45 | poisonbit | need any non installed firmware package living in non-free ? |
| 17:46.02 | poisonbit | if you remove/load the module you should get any error message |
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| 17:46.36 | Hannibal | poisonbit: i didn't get any messages in the dmesg on load, in the ubuntu live it did give me a coupple messages |
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| 17:47.36 | poisonbit | which card it is ? |
| 17:48.02 | Hannibal | poisonbit: Marvel Yukon gigabit ethernet |
| 17:48.09 | Hannibal | not sure what the mfg model is |
| 17:48.16 | Hannibal | but, i do know that much |
| 17:48.49 | poisonbit | modinfo sky2 on leny sais: description: Marvell Yukon 2 Gigabit Ethernet driver |
| 17:49.05 | poisonbit | that 2... maybe that card uses other driver than sky2 |
| 17:49.37 | korkman | package linux-firmware-nonfree installed? |
| 17:50.19 | korkman | firmware-linux-nonfree |
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| 17:50.36 | Hannibal | korkman: i'll try installing that |
| 17:51.12 | korkman | plus firmware-linux-free, one never knows |
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| 17:51.46 | jhutchins_lt | Hannibal: lspci should tell you what chipset you want, then google it w/debian to get details on getting it working. |
| 17:52.04 | poisonbit | kmuto has firmware-nonfree 0.22 in the backported installer |
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| 17:52.26 | Hannibal | mmm |
| 17:52.52 | poisonbit | kmuto images are my first fallback when oficial lenny installer fail whit some hardware, they have good quality |
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| 17:53.33 | poisonbit | (if I want to stay in stable userland) |
| 17:53.55 | int80_h | does debian have the equivilant functionality of veriexec, from netbsd ? http://wiki.netbsd.se/Veriexec |
| 17:54.15 | poisonbit | debsums ? |
| 17:54.40 | jhutchins_lt | According to the announcement in march, iso's should be out within a few hours of the release, but it does take a while to post them and update the mirrors. Surely by Monday. |
| 17:55.03 | poisonbit | int80_h, no, debsums does not does the same as that |
| 17:55.38 | jhutchins_lt | int80_h: You might look at tripwire. |
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| 17:55.44 | int80_h | ah thanks :) |
| 17:56.18 | mms_ | any knows how to fix the usb flash when we cannot format it and it says track 0 bad.... |
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| 17:57.09 | mms_ | I have tried all tricks using dd, fdisk but am unable to reformat the usb flash... |
| 17:57.19 | korkman | mms: sounds like a read-only mode |
| 17:57.46 | mms_ | korkman: nope...I did not do any thing to it...it was fine untiil I screwed it using wintoflash... |
| 17:57.59 | qq- | mms_, put it in first trash |
| 17:58.05 | jhutchins_lt | mms_: Return to vendor. |
| 17:58.08 | korkman | mms: flash sticks essentially revert to read-only when they think they're broken |
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| 17:58.30 | mms_ | korkman: ok then how to check and set it to non-readonly ? |
| 17:58.55 | jhutchins_lt | mms_: Return to vendor. |
| 17:59.03 | korkman | mms: only vendor specific tools can do this, and getting them is rather non-legal |
| 17:59.15 | mms_ | jhutchins_lt: I purchase off ebay ....its been months now... |
| 17:59.15 | Hannibal | w00t |
| 17:59.18 | Hannibal | it works :d |
| 17:59.21 | Hannibal | :D |
| 17:59.27 | jhutchins_lt | Yay! |
| 17:59.28 | Hannibal | thanks everyone :D |
| 17:59.30 | korkman | mms: they program the sticks @ factory |
| 17:59.34 | jhutchins_lt | mms_: Ah well. |
| 17:59.44 | Hannibal | i just updated the kernel, everything seems to work magicly :p |
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| 18:00.11 | korkman | mms: i had success once, re-enabling a 1 gb stick with 700 mb capacity, but failed on another one |
| 18:00.30 | korkman | mms: just dump it and don't buy them on ebay |
| 18:00.51 | korkman | mms: some people use the tools i mentioned to fake the capacity |
| 18:01.07 | mms_ | jhutchins_lt: now I dont have any thing...bill..etc....can the system figure out so I can check with kingston... |
| 18:01.22 | korkman | mms: and only when you use the non-existant blocks you realize it's half the cap you bought |
| 18:01.29 | mms_ | korkman: can system give me some thing by which I can email kingston about it... |
| 18:02.29 | korkman | mms: not really. they won't do technical support anyway, more like marketing "oh an unsatisfied customer give him something for free" |
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| 18:04.16 | korkman | mms: it's difficult to tell whether it's a unique kingston at all |
| 18:04.38 | jhutchins_lt | lsusb might give you some info. |
| 18:04.40 | korkman | mms: vendor_id is programmable too |
| 18:05.01 | korkman | mms: so basically all information you get from the device can be fake |
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| 18:05.33 | jhutchins_lt | korkman: Seen a lot of "fake" kingston sticks have you? |
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| 18:06.19 | korkman | i recently disseceted some stick the memory chips were unprinted |
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| 18:06.29 | korkman | (the stick was read-only, too) |
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| 18:07.11 | korkman | what manufacturer doesn't print *anything* on a chip? |
| 18:07.59 | korkman | jhutchins_lt: i only repeat what internet tells me :) |
| 18:08.00 | dvs | kingston apparantly |
| 18:08.03 | rysiek|pl | guys, is there a way to *disable* dmesg messages flood to the tty *without* the "quiet" kernel arg? |
| 18:08.42 | korkman | that being said, REAL chips fail as well |
| 18:08.49 | dvs | rysiek|pl: not the kprint opyion? |
| 18:08.58 | rysiek|pl | dvs: wha? |
| 18:09.33 | rysiek|pl | dpkg doesn't seem to know anything about "kprint" |
| 18:09.33 | dpkg | rysiek|pl: no idea |
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| 18:10.13 | rysiek|pl | dvs: "kprint"? |
| 18:10.51 | dvs | rysiek|pl: /etc/sysctl.conf |
| 18:11.06 | rysiek|pl | dvs: gotha, thanks |
| 18:11.12 | dvs | np |
| 18:12.22 | tharkun | Has anyone added a submenu undert the main aplications menu on lxde? If so how? Google is not cooperative today? |
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| 18:15.52 | sepult | does anyone use the logitech generic driver for kbd in Xorg ? |
| 18:17.00 | sepult | i can select it in the menu list of kdecontrol for keyboards but i would rather have it in my xorg.conf too, there |
| 18:17.00 | sepult | it is pc105, i want to change that |
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| 18:25.41 | jelly-hme | sepult: which debian release are you using? |
| 18:26.41 | sepult | my custom one |
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| 18:26.45 | sepult | why ? |
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| 18:27.23 | jelly-hme | what do you mean, custom one, is it Debian or not? |
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| 18:27.30 | jhutchins_lt | tharkun: Wouldn't the technique depend on which desktop? |
| 18:27.31 | sepult | it is |
| 18:27.52 | sepult | i just compile dep-pkgs with pbuilder |
| 18:27.59 | jelly-hme | sepult: so which debian release do you fetch the packages for? |
| 18:28.04 | sepult | oh ok lenny |
| 18:28.37 | sepult | there was embdebian in my repos too, but i removed it already |
| 18:28.47 | jelly-hme | sepult: after lenny, place to set up keyboard model / layout changed |
| 18:29.19 | jelly-hme | if you're using lenny's Xorg packages, xorg.conf is still read for that data |
| 18:29.30 | sepult | you mean dpkg-reconfigure console-setup ? dpkg-reconfigure kbd ? |
| 18:29.42 | tharkun | jhutchins_lt: it seems that there is a standard, gnome and lxde although very similar are not behaving exactly the same. I am indeed stuck with this problems |
| 18:30.05 | sepult | yes, i have pc105 layout there, i want to change that to the logithech generic one |
| 18:30.13 | sepult | but don't know the layout name for sure |
| 18:34.27 | jelly-hme | there's a zillion Logitech models listed in my kxkb frontend for setxkbmap |
| 18:35.24 | jelly-hme | "setxkbmap -model logitech_base" is for "Logitech Generic Keyboard" |
| 18:35.46 | sepult | ah ok, thank you so it is just logitech_base then good |
| 18:35.55 | sepult | very much appreciated |
| 18:36.12 | sepult | i'll try that in a few minutes |
| 18:36.31 | jelly-hme | clicks back to his -model thinkpadz60 |
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| 18:46.02 | SHL__ | whois zand |
| 18:46.05 | SHL__ | woops |
| 18:46.06 | SHL__ | :D |
| 18:46.27 | Perelli | O:-) |
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| 18:46.49 | tuv | what is the easiest way to disable the moreblue grub background? |
| 18:47.57 | poisonbit | tuv, grub2? see /etc/default/grub the commented CONSOLE foo line |
| 18:48.14 | poisonbit | after edit, run update-grub |
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| 18:50.59 | Perelli | man grub |
| 18:51.10 | Perelli | ;) |
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| 19:29.03 | manixor | Hi. What is the syntax for compiling and running a ".cpp" program using the gcc? |
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| 19:33.09 | tuv | duplicate photos with the same tags, that is |
| 19:33.29 | sepult | fdupes |
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| 19:36.20 | b0gus | Hi, I have 2 500GB hdds, which I want to install Debian to (RAID1), but I'm not sure which partitions (/, swap?) I should create, and what size, I used to choose the automatic option, but it's not possible with RAID in the lenny installer. |
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| 19:39.15 | FabParma | Please, do you know a "desktop search" that index only file names skipping the contents? I used on ms "everything search desktop" and in max 1 second it found exactly a file even inside a 2 tb of files. Thankyou |
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| 19:45.45 | poisonbit | b0gus, just create 2 md devices, one for /boot (md0=sda1+sdb1) over ext3 i.e., and other (md1=sda2+sdb2) for LVM, then create as you like into the LVM... you can change sizes latter |
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| 19:47.49 | poisonbit | FabParma, find, locate, ... |
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| 19:48.45 | djura-san | o/ |
| 19:49.44 | poisonbit | FabParma, you can implement it.. a cron job runs find /home/user into /home/user/files.txt, usage: grep filename files.txt |
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| 19:50.51 | poisonbit | It should run in less than a second once files.txt is cached |
| 19:52.15 | FabParma | poisonbit: file.txt is already created by default, or have i to generate the list? |
| 19:52.37 | poisonbit | "you can implement it.. a cron job runs" means it does not exist |
| 19:52.44 | poisonbit | :) |
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| 19:53.24 | poisonbit | find ~ > "$HOME/files.txt" |
| 19:53.36 | poisonbit | it should take some time to wlak 2tb of files |
| 19:53.40 | poisonbit | walk |
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| 19:57.09 | poisonbit | if the files.txt is to big to stay in I/O buffers, you can cp the file in a ram file system (tmpfs) for usage |
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| 19:58.59 | lindi- | poisonbit: that's not exactly desktop search :) |
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| 19:59.19 | FabParma | anyway, even if I get a file list and with grep i know the position, i cant edit the file directly, I need to cpy and paste to address bar to have full control of the file, im mistaking? |
| 19:59.20 | poisonbit | xterm runs on desktop :P |
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| 19:59.54 | poisonbit | gedit "$(grep Foo files.txt)" |
| 19:59.56 | lindi- | poisonbit: and xterm doesn't even support clipboard easily |
| 20:00.19 | poisonbit | okey okey, confess, i don't know/use desktop search engines |
| 20:00.24 | poisonbit | :) |
| 20:00.46 | lindi- | poisonbit: http://projects.gnome.org/tracker/ might be what you want |
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| 20:01.13 | poisonbit | I use to purge it when I install ubuntu to family |
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| 20:01.31 | lindi- | poisonbit: purge what? |
| 20:01.36 | poisonbit | It heats disk I/O each time a laptop fires up |
| 20:01.45 | poisonbit | trackerd related packages |
| 20:01.57 | lindi- | poisonbit: well you wanted a desktop search? |
| 20:02.03 | inspiron | does anyone know how to use variables in the changelog file? I can use sed to alter the contents in a script but that's not very good is it. I've tried the substvars file but I'm doing something wrong |
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| 20:02.35 | lindi- | inspiron: what are you trying to write to the changelog? |
| 20:02.59 | inspiron | lindi-: the version |
| 20:03.10 | orzo | hey lindi- |
| 20:03.13 | orzo | long time |
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| 20:03.21 | orzo | you still use openmoko? |
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| 20:03.36 | khaleel5000 | hi i am updating my sid after quite a long while, aptitude tells me that i have 2 unresolved dependencies, i cant seem to find cpu-checker in my list, is it ok if i go ahead ? i mean its not uber critical program right? http://pastebin.com/YuH8GYin |
| 20:03.57 | lindi- | orzo: yep |
| 20:04.09 | orzo | well i gave up on mine |
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| 20:04.33 | lindi- | inspiron: just create it with "dch --newversion"? |
| 20:04.34 | orzo | the usb port got flakey and it was the older model with no indicator if itws taking charge |
| 20:04.36 | FabParma | should be interesting to understang how exactly works the optimal one: "everything desktop search engine", but is only for ms ... |
| 20:04.58 | lindi- | orzo: heh, i got two openmokos now |
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| 20:05.31 | orzo | do you run debian on them? |
| 20:05.36 | lindi- | yep |
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| 20:06.49 | inspiron | lindi-: thanks - I didn't think of that but then again I'm very novice ;) |
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| 20:07.46 | lindi- | inspiron: what are you packaging? |
| 20:08.34 | inspiron | lindi-: kernel modules - but I'm not uploading to the repositories. I'm doing a student project and the modules are SDIO drivers |
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| 20:08.58 | lindi- | inspiron: cool, are you going to send them to kernel.org? |
| 20:09.10 | inspiron | lindi-: I think my next project is open source. This one I think is closed source :( |
| 20:09.56 | inspiron | lindi-: I don't think that they are of any help to anyone - they are used for custom test boards so noone will need them but the guys who have the testboards and that's only one company |
| 20:09.59 | lindi- | inspiron: i hope you mark your package as non-free |
| 20:10.07 | inspiron | lindi-: yes I have ;) |
| 20:10.32 | inspiron | lindi-: but as I said - they are practically useless to the public because no one has the hardware |
| 20:11.02 | inspiron | lindi-: I might become a sponsor or DA and eventually DD if I have time. |
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| 20:15.33 | FabParma | I discovered how "Everything search engine", i tell you just for information. It uses the MFT of NTFS, now all it is clear, was impossible index 1 milion of files with a standard desktop in less then 1 second |
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| 20:19.07 | FabParma | should be possible to do the same on ext4? |
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| 20:20.45 | int80_h | how do I get a list of packages I can install from apt-get? |
| 20:20.51 | thrashold | FabParma: It's not clear what you're asking for |
| 20:21.15 | int80_h | I'm trying to install haskell-platform but it claims there is no such package. So I either need to word it differently or update apt I think |
| 20:21.23 | shylent | i dont thinkg it was a question :) |
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| 20:21.49 | themill | int80_h: "apt-cache search haskell" might be a good sart |
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| 20:22.40 | lindi- | FabParma: with inotify you can do it on any fs |
| 20:22.56 | lindi- | FabParma: you just need to monitor changes constantly so that you don't ever need to reindex everythiing from scratch |
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| 20:23.42 | int80_h | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:23.55 | int80_h | apt-get update I mean |
| 20:23.59 | themill | yes |
| 20:24.04 | thrashold | inotify is bad, you can't monitor all folders at the same time, and it has a race condition which breaks monitoring for things such as recursive copy (you have to walk through the directory as soon as a directory is created, and there is still a chance that you'd miss something that's in it) |
| 20:24.34 | thrashold | Or maybe there isn't if you add a directory watch just before you list the directory? I'm not sure |
| 20:24.36 | int80_h | okay thanks. the ghc page is a bit misleading, it suggests the is a debian package for haskell platform yet apt-cache doesn't detect it |
| 20:24.50 | int80_h | unless I may be screwing something up |
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| 20:26.21 | FabParma | lindi-: I am unable to develop a similar thing. Have you idea how to propose it to an interestet programmer? |
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| 20:26.30 | themill | int80_h: the "haskell-platform" package is squeeze/sid only |
| 20:26.51 | lindi- | FabParma: well if what thrashold is true then there's a problem |
| 20:26.57 | lindi- | thrashold: is there a bug report about this? |
| 20:26.58 | allisterb | How do I display the filesystem information for logical volumes in a volume group? Like I just want to see the filesystem types for the LVs in my VG. |
| 20:27.35 | lindi- | allisterb: file can guess them |
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| 20:28.38 | thrashold | lindi-: I think I'm slightly incorrect - it's only a little annoying if you use low-level access to inotify. Otherwise, you can catch all file creations, although you'd have to go through some files twice. :) |
| 20:28.58 | lindi- | thrashold: ok, that shouldn't be a problem then |
| 20:29.01 | allisterb | ah got it. thanks |
| 20:29.08 | int80_h | thanks guys . :) |
| 20:29.10 | lindi- | FabParma: have you used inotify before? |
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| 20:29.22 | karlpinc | The eclipse package has been removed from lenny. Does this mean the people using eclipse are out of luck or are there other components that do the job? If I used eclipise I'd be disturbed if it was gone entirely. |
| 20:29.36 | int80_h | I was trying to avoid a source build of haskell platform but there's no other way. :) |
| 20:29.41 | lindi- | karlpinc: probably easiest way is to use it from unstable schroot |
| 20:29.47 | valdyn | FabParma: this is already implemented, more than once, see "tracker" |
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| 20:30.07 | lindi- | karlpinc: if you read the removal request you'll see that it was removed just for lenny |
| 20:30.18 | lindi- | karlpinc: since it stopped working |
| 20:30.20 | FabParma | lindi-: no, never |
| 20:30.33 | lindi- | FabParma: time to look at that first then |
| 20:30.50 | karlpinc | int80_h: I messed with haskell a it and it seems easiest to install the debian packages and then use the haskel build tools to get up-to-date with the haskel repo. Not ideal, but nice for some value of nice. |
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| 20:31.19 | int80_h | yup, that's what Ima doing. :) |
| 20:31.30 | valdyn | FabParma: and beagle |
| 20:31.34 | karlpinc | lindi-: Right. I noticed it was just lenny. (But I _like_ stable -- not having to mess with the system.) |
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| 20:32.08 | FabParma | valdyn: If it has been implemented, can you give me some indication to find the core project? |
| 20:32.11 | lindi- | karlpinc: that's why schroot is nice |
| 20:32.22 | valdyn | FabParma: I just did. |
| 20:32.38 | FabParma | tracker? |
| 20:33.09 | karlpinc | lindi-: Right. I'm thinking virtualbox. But that does not eliminate the "fuss with-ness", just limits it. |
| 20:33.16 | lindi- | valdyn: yes but it needs to reindex the whole system on startup, right? |
| 20:33.29 | FabParma | I am very sorry, but i dont know who are the trackers |
| 20:33.31 | valdyn | lindi-: no |
| 20:33.31 | lindi- | karlpinc: virtualbox is a lot more heavy-weight solution |
| 20:33.49 | karlpinc | int80_h: It almost seems that haskell is enough of a moving target that you want to stay current. |
| 20:33.54 | lindi- | valdyn: how can it be sure that it catches all modificatons? |
| 20:34.08 | lindi- | valdyn: i mean, something could modify the files before tracker process is started, right? |
| 20:34.27 | valdyn | lindi-: sure, thats not avoidable |
| 20:34.42 | int80_h | tell me about it |
| 20:35.01 | FabParma | have i to search for Debian tracker? |
| 20:35.17 | valdyn | FabParma: "apt-cache show tracker" |
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| 20:35.54 | int80_h | okay this seems stange. I did this apt-cache search bunzip |
| 20:36.03 | int80_h | and I am not getting a hit for bunzip |
| 20:36.09 | FabParma | valdyn: thanks |
| 20:36.13 | int80_h | is something wrong with my apt database? |
| 20:36.28 | lindi- | valdyn: it is avoidable if you can integrate this functionaltiy to mount |
| 20:36.36 | valdyn | lindi-: umm |
| 20:36.51 | valdyn | lindi-: then i have to "modifiy" on a different ( lower ) layer. It's not avoidable |
| 20:37.04 | lindi- | valdyn: yes lower layer support is needed |
| 20:37.12 | valdyn | lindi-: you misunderstand |
| 20:37.15 | themill | int80_h: bunzip is in the bzip2 package. /msg dpkg apt-file |
| 20:37.23 | valdyn | lindi-: i can always "cheat" my tracker, no matter how its implemented |
| 20:37.50 | lindi- | valdyn: of course but we can make it difficult to do accidentalyl |
| 20:37.56 | lindi- | valdyn: we can look at mount count for example |
| 20:38.02 | valdyn | lindi-: nonsense |
| 20:38.11 | int80_h | thanks once again. I am adjusting to the debian way of things. |
| 20:38.20 | int80_h | you are very helpful |
| 20:38.25 | lindi- | valdyn: why? |
| 20:38.45 | valdyn | lindi-: ext4 has a mount counter, different filesystems might not have that |
| 20:39.04 | lindi- | valdyn: yes, the solution might not work for all filesystems |
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| 20:39.11 | valdyn | lindi-: this is a silly discussion - indexer like this are not made to be tamper proof, they are simply started before modifications happen |
| 20:39.41 | lindi- | valdyn: i'm not trying to make it tamper proof. just trying to avoid stat()ing the whole filesystem on bootup. |
| 20:39.48 | themill | they can just take a quick look through mtime data like mlocate does to quickly update if they need to |
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| 20:47.04 | akegata | I have some serious issues with a md raid 5 array. Several drives have been getting DMA errors and such for a while, so I'm trying to get all the data to another server, but now all of a sudden the raid broke and when I try to reassemble it I get the error "/dev/md1 assembled from 6 drives - not enough to start the array.", even though all 8 drives are added and available. Does anyone have any idea how I can fix this? |
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| 20:48.01 | valdyn | !backup |
| 20:48.01 | dpkg | hmm... backup is something you should do *ALWAYS*... if you value your sh*t even in the least. Otherwise eons of buildup and data can go BYE BYE FOREVER one day if you do not backup, either by HD malfunction or by intentional evil by crackers or by mischivious glak elves that invade your system. Or even by large magnets that get out of hand. Pay the dollars for a tape system or CDR and use <tar> (plus optionally bzip2 at lowest compression), or ... |
| 20:48.20 | jhutchins_lt | akegata: Sounds like a bad controller. |
| 20:48.51 | jhutchins_lt | akegata: Fixing it would be particular to the controller anyway. |
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| 20:49.55 | akegata | jhutchins_lt: Yeah that's probably the underlying problem, but I can scan the all the drives in all ways I can think of just fine, but mdadm still claims only 6 of the 8 drives are there.. |
| 20:50.34 | jhutchins_lt | akegata: So you're using software raid? What kind of controller(s) are the drives on? |
| 20:50.50 | jhutchins_lt | akegata: Are the two "missing" drives on the same device? |
| 20:51.15 | akegata | Yeah, I'm running md. They are on a rocketraid 454 controller. |
| 20:51.31 | akegata | Yeah, you know, I think they are.. |
| 20:51.37 | akegata | I'm gonna change the IDE cable... |
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| 20:52.55 | Hannibal | hello again, i just have anotehr quick question.. when working from a debootstrap'd install, how does one get netwokring to start at run time? |
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| 20:53.27 | Traveler1 | hiDo |
| 20:53.29 | valdyn | Hannibal: you dont need to start it, the network setup is in the underlying OS |
| 20:54.08 | valdyn | Hannibal: or did you already boot that install ? |
| 20:54.09 | Traveler1 | Does it usually take a long time to erase the data on a hdd ? Trying to install debian stable and after 10 mins it only shows 1% finished. |
| 20:54.19 | Hannibal | valdyn: i still have to ifconfig up lo and eth0, unless i didn't configure soemthing right.. then its pornanly my /etc/networking/interfaces |
| 20:54.30 | Hannibal | valdyn: i've booted it |
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| 20:54.57 | Hannibal | **probably |
| 20:55.06 | valdyn | Hannibal: ifupdown needs to be installed |
| 20:55.19 | jhutchins_lt | Traveler1: How big is it? What RPM? What I/O spec? What kind of CPU & RAM? |
| 20:55.23 | valdyn | Hannibal: and /etc/network/interfaces needs to have to appropriate entries.. |
| 20:55.49 | Hannibal | valdyn: ok, thanks, i'll doubble check if ifupdown is installed yet |
| 20:56.28 | Traveler1 | jhford: 320gb, currently removing arch and installing deb stable. 4gb of ram and an intel core 2 duo t9400. |
| 20:56.41 | Traveler1 | i'm doing the netinstall and i'm curious why it's taking so much |
| 20:56.59 | jhutchins_lt | Hannibal: Default is for networking to check for devices and configuration and to start automatically. You can change this in /etc/network/interfaces by using the "auto" keyword. This will prevent networkmanager from controling the device. |
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| 20:57.37 | jhutchins_lt | Traveler1: ten minutes does sound a bit long... |
| 20:57.38 | Hannibal | awesome, thanks jhutchins_lt |
| 20:57.49 | Traveler1 | it is |
| 20:58.03 | valdyn | jhutchins_lt: network-manager shouldnt be installed |
| 20:58.06 | jhutchins_lt | Hannibal: man interfaces should give you details. |
| 20:58.12 | Traveler1 | does it have something to do with it being a netinstall ? |
| 20:58.12 | akegata | jhutchins_lt: It says the same thing after changing the cable..and like I said, I can run fdisk -l and stuff like that on the disks.. |
| 20:58.19 | Hannibal | indeed |
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| 21:00.21 | PlainFlavored | testing to see if i have to be nickserv'd |
| 21:00.28 | PlainFlavored | and i don't, cool |
| 21:00.41 | jhutchins_lt | akegata: Don't know what to tell you then. Someone else might be more familiar with md tools. http://git.debian.org/?p=pkg-mdadm/mdadm.git;a=blob_plain;f=debian/FAQ;hb=HEAD https://raid.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Mdadm-faq |
| 21:01.26 | akegata | jhutchins_lt: Alright, thanks anyways |
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| 21:09.43 | dasu_ | hello :_ what are the advantages of me using debian instead of arch on a server? |
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| 21:10.59 | jhutchins_lt | debian is widely used, well supported, has many packages available and well tested, is extremely stable. |
| 21:11.20 | chasing`Sol | is there something in debian equivalent to redhat kickstart? |
| 21:11.21 | jhutchins_lt | dasu_: Not being arch users, we wouldn't really be able to compare the two. |
| 21:11.36 | valdyn | !fai |
| 21:11.37 | dpkg | [fai] Fully Automatic Installation, an automated installation tool to install or deploy Debian GNU/Linux (and other distributions) on a bunch of different hosts or a cluster. It is more flexible than tools like <kickstart> (Red Hat), autoyast and alice (SuSE) or jumpstart (Sun Solaris). FAI can also be used for configuration management of a running system. http://www.informatik.uni-koeln.de/fai/ #fai on irc.oftc.net. |
| 21:11.37 | jhutchins_lt | chasing`Sol: Yes. |
| 21:11.50 | themill | dasu_: debian isn't a moving target, packages are carefully integrated with each other and debian cares a lot about your freedom. /msg dpkg why debian |
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| 21:13.16 | Avtonom | !ops http://AnonTalk.se/r/38 | iViLe Aminzai fantasticulous Richiie halflife08 sansen dosius1 bdc1959 kaane grndslm chattr RichardG liable distantblur row Gnurdux ChaozZBubi babafds PhilSliderS qq- Floops e1z0 do0ob paja Old_Spike0 mezod POC|Farmer bitorious maqr {41444d494e} ferr trbs cornelinux titacgs llua Sigur Tabmow dArK_IcE AntiSpamMeta g0nz0|Boston Darkfoe Locke0 guyzmo cire Guest45780 SpeedyG darkskiez acidchild rvsjoen Ahri froosch CodeNinja Li |
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| 21:13.24 | dArK_IcE | jeez |
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| 21:13.29 | Benwa | !ops |
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| 21:13.32 | Kuifje111 | annoying! |
| 21:13.37 | Hannibal | again? |
| 21:13.39 | SQlvpapir | lol they just did that on OFTC too |
| 21:13.44 | Hannibal | lol |
| 21:13.44 | shahri | what the fuck |
| 21:13.51 | ChaozZBubi | Oo |
| 21:13.55 | Benwa | on ubuntu as well |
| 21:13.55 | sechrist_ | you raaaaang? |
| 21:14.06 | Hannibal | lol |
| 21:14.07 | Hannibal | [14:12:54] * ChanServ sets mode +q #debian *!*@unaffiliated/dpkg |
| 21:14.08 | sechrist_ | wow that's gay |
| 21:14.08 | Kuifje111 | stupid bots/spammers. |
| 21:14.21 | muh2000 | everboy is awake now. |
| 21:14.25 | themill | Please discuss the spam in ##comment-on-spam or somewhere else |
| 21:14.27 | fantasticulous | huzzah! |
| 21:15.01 | Lantizia | themill, where can I discuss your comment on commenting in the comment specific channel? here? |
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| 21:15.28 | themill | Lantizia: stop being annoying for a change. |
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| 21:15.39 | khaleel5000 | damn , what just happened? |
| 21:15.56 | chius | hi guys |
| 21:15.58 | dasu_ | ok then cool |
| 21:16.43 | Razec | muh2000, yes =) |
| 21:17.09 | chius | I have an aao with lenny 9 inches and no major problems (but sd card reader and mic)I want to buy another netbook ab HP mini 210 but I amk not sure about the compatibility of it with lenny or squeeze |
| 21:17.17 | chius | any comment? suggestion? |
| 21:18.12 | chius | webcam soundcard wifi lan etc |
| 21:18.21 | muh2000 | chius: samsung n510? |
| 21:19.22 | chius | works everything? |
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| 21:20.37 | muh2000 | i cannot figure out how to switch wifi off except in the bios. i am too lazy to find the settings for brightness of the display. but the kde battery application can adjust brightness. |
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| 21:21.10 | chius | and no experince with HP mini? |
| 21:21.21 | Procule | I'm having problem with I/O of the hardrive SATA. I even changed the hard drive and it still there. It makes the system slowing down and it even makes hang the system for seconds. What could it be ? |
| 21:21.37 | muh2000 | the only thin i have from HP is my monitor ^^ chius |
| 21:21.41 | muh2000 | thing* |
| 21:21.57 | chius | :D |
| 21:22.04 | chius | I liked the design |
| 21:22.35 | chius | of HP mii |
| 21:22.36 | muh2000 | oh i forgot. i replaced the wifi simply because i cannot accept hardware from realtek. |
| 21:22.37 | chius | mini |
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| 21:22.44 | chius | he he he |
| 21:22.59 | muh2000 | i didnt even test the wifi chip... |
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| 21:23.28 | chius | so certain uncertainty |
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| 21:23.42 | muh2000 | i bought some intel chip from some shady ebay user in hongkong... works like a charm :) (even though the seller said compatible only with certain laptops) |
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| 21:43.45 | Gentoochild | hi there. Since my switch to Squeeze from Gentoo my mails aren't touched by bogofilter any more, even if I execute KMailâs bogofilter actions manually. |
| 21:43.52 | Gentoochild | Is there anything more to do than just install bogofilter? |
| 21:45.15 | Gentoochild | my worldlist.dbâs mtime is 2 weeks old already |
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| 21:46.11 | htoothrot | i'm trying to install 5.04 squeeze in virtualbox, i keep getting an error when the installer attempts to run update-grub.. anyone run across this? |
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| 21:51.33 | Gentoochild | 5.04 isnât squeeze |
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| 21:52.19 | kminor | Hey guys, I have a quick simple question |
| 21:52.47 | kminor | I have been running Debian Stable on all my production servers |
| 21:53.07 | kminor | I started years ago with Debian Etch, I've since then dist-upgraded all my Debian servers to Debian Lenny Stable |
| 21:53.13 | kminor | My question is this: |
| 21:53.55 | kminor | Why does "apt-get" hold back packages like "bind9" |
| 21:54.28 | kminor | For example, I do apt-get update/upgrade and it says "bind9, dnsutils" and some others are being held back |
| 21:54.52 | kminor | THEN: when i go into Synaptic and reload and mark upgrades |
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| 21:55.06 | themill | kminor: you need to "aptitude full-upgrade" rather than just "upgrade". |
| 21:55.07 | kminor | it markes bind9 and all the other packages to upgrade from vlenny1 to vlenny2 |
| 21:55.32 | kminor | and also in synaptic my preferences for version are set to "stable" not highest version |
| 21:55.57 | kminor | themill: why does apt-get hold those packages back if they dont conflict with anything? |
| 21:56.10 | grobe0ba | anybody know who nick highlighted me? |
| 21:56.19 | themill | grobe0ba: a spammer. ignore it |
| 21:56.35 | kminor | in the past apt-get would only keep packages held back if they conflicted with other installed .deb's |
| 21:56.39 | grobe0ba | ahh. danke. |
| 21:56.41 | themill | kminor: installing them requires new packages to be installed. Use aptitude not apt-get and see man apt-get for more details |
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| 21:58.12 | kminor | themill: I've used both, i've been using debian since 1997 i know aptitude, dselect, synaptic etc. etc... i've just never noticed a non-conflicting package get held back before |
| 21:58.33 | kminor | themill: is it because of the required lib or library files and additional stuff like that u think? |
| 21:58.40 | themill | kminor: apt-get has always held back packages that required you to install new packages as part of the upgrade. |
| 21:58.52 | themill | kminor: yes. that's what I said... |
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| 22:00.40 | wonk | hi everybody |
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| 22:01.08 | wonk | my up key stopped working looks like it got remapped some how http://pastebin.com/a7AfCH3q |
| 22:01.25 | Lantizia | *cough* |
| 22:01.34 | wonk | how do i reset the mapping? |
| 22:01.34 | Lantizia | Oh cool I'm aloud to speak again :) |
| 22:02.15 | Lantizia | If you've installed off the netinst disc and selected nothing off tasksel (not even "Standard packages")... what would you say is the best terminology for that kind of system? bare / minimal / base ? |
| 22:03.29 | themill | Lantizia: "missing packages that should be on any un*x-like machine" would be the best description. The standard task is usually considered to be part of the base install. /msg dpkg standard task |
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| 22:15.01 | kminor | themill : hey man, i appreciate the clarification on that small question i was curious about, thanks friend |
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| 22:15.48 | kminor | themill : Also, I've done apt-get dist-upgrade when upgrading from etch to lenny stable, but u said there is an apt-get full-upgrade too? |
| 22:15.50 | themill | no worries |
| 22:16.29 | themill | kminor: no, I said "aptitude full-upgrade". aptitude is recommended and wouldn't have had this problem to begin with. /msg dpkg why aptitude |
| 22:17.01 | kminor | themill : also is there any other instances where u might want to use apt-get dist-upgrade or is it simply only when upgrading from etch to lenny, or from stable to testing, testing to sid/unstable? |
| 22:17.10 | action09 | some question on package "slock" i dunno why it is suid-root, especially to write to /etc/shadow.. see: http://pastebin.com/tUYPSXVZ |
| 22:17.15 | themill | dpkg: tell kminor about dist-upgrade |
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| 22:29.58 | kminor | themill : hey thanks again, you're the man |
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| 22:30.31 | kminor | themill : hopefully you'll be around when I have an actual difficult question that needs explaination :) |
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| 22:31.09 | LinOOb | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:33.26 | kminor | Lin00b: that's easy, u use the windows repair prompt to have windows redo the master boot record |
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| 22:35.05 | kminor | LinOOb : I used my Hewlett Packard DVD i made from the restore partition that uses vista and it fixed it automatically when i went to setup and just cancelled out before reinstalling the OS |
| 22:35.28 | kminor | LinOOb : However u'll probably have to run something like "fdisk /mbr |
| 22:36.05 | kminor | LinOOb : excuse me I meant "C:\>fdisk /mbr |
| 22:36.06 | kminor | then run |
| 22:36.11 | kminor | bootrec |
| 22:36.18 | kminor | C:\>bootrec |
| 22:37.24 | kminor | also u can try |
| 22:37.27 | LinOOb | I already tried the win 7 dvd repair and restore |
| 22:37.29 | kminor | C:\>fixboot |
| 22:37.41 | LinOOb | as long as this other storage drive is installed it tries to grub boot to it - |
| 22:37.42 | kminor | u gotta get to the repair DOS prompt |
| 22:37.43 | qq- | dpkg, windows |
| 22:37.44 | dpkg | "PCs are like air conditioners, if you open Windows(R) they don't work." Support for Microsoft Windows operating systems is available at ##windows on irc.freenode.net. |
| 22:37.50 | LinOOb | power it down and it boots back to c: |
| 22:38.19 | kminor | and u want to remove grub completely? |
| 22:38.30 | LinOOb | yes somehow grub went to this other storage drive |
| 22:38.57 | kminor | Lin00b: okay that's easy |
| 22:39.05 | kminor | just get back to the emergency dvd's dos prompt |
| 22:39.09 | kminor | type: |
| 22:39.12 | kminor | fixmbr |
| 22:39.17 | LinOOb | 1 sec |
| 22:39.34 | kminor | that will remove grub entirely |
| 22:39.40 | LinOOb | should I do this with or without the drive powered up - the one causing the issue? |
| 22:39.51 | LinOOb | Grub seems to be on this other drive? |
| 22:39.54 | LinOOb | not my c: |
| 22:40.21 | LinOOb | is there a way to verify if grub is on my c or the other |
| 22:40.23 | kminor | oh |
| 22:40.31 | kminor | well u need to specify the drive then |
| 22:40.51 | kminor | what is it mounted too? D: E: F: etc. etc.? |
| 22:41.46 | kminor | that's weird, u must have installed the linux OS onto the external drive instead of ur internal drive |
| 22:42.02 | LinOOb | they are both internal sata lets call it c and d |
| 22:42.12 | kminor | oh ok |
| 22:42.14 | LinOOb | c boots to win 7 fine but if i plug in d i am hosed |
| 22:42.25 | LinOOb | so how to i determine what went wrong without screwing up c |
| 22:42.27 | kminor | fixboot d: |
| 22:42.34 | kminor | or some parameter |
| 22:42.40 | kminor | fixmbr i mean |
| 22:42.44 | kminor | fixmbr d: |
| 22:42.45 | LinOOb | hmm |
| 22:42.49 | kminor | i think |
| 22:42.55 | kminor | try fixmbr /help if that doesnt work |
| 22:43.01 | LinOOb | this is from some dos prompt off the dvd repair menu? |
| 22:43.08 | kminor | try the fixmbr d: and tell me what it says |
| 22:43.18 | kminor | yes sir |
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| 22:43.35 | shogunx | dude. windows discussion elsewhere |
| 22:43.46 | kminor | lol, he's trying to remove grub |
| 22:43.50 | LinOOb | Linux caused this issue - thats why ia m here |
| 22:43.51 | LinOOb | grub |
| 22:44.03 | shogunx | not our problem. you caused the issue, not linux. |
| 22:44.06 | kminor | somehow loaded grub onto a 2nd drive instead of a 2nd partition |
| 22:44.20 | kminor | okay shogunx |
| 22:44.40 | kminor | Lin00b : you heard the man...u should have all the commands u need i already said |
| 22:45.22 | shogunx | thanx kminor |
| 22:45.29 | kminor | good luck, it's pretty easy, just google "how to remove grub" or "How to repair windows master boot record" |
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| 22:46.05 | kminor | shogunx : no worries shogunx |
| 22:46.26 | kminor | I just bought an HP Proliant I've put debian on |
| 22:46.39 | kminor | I forgot to load some of the DVD's that came with it the thing is so proprietary |
| 22:46.50 | kminor | u have to buy $25 trays for each of the 2.5 in hard drives |
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| 22:47.04 | p3rror | hello |
| 22:47.10 | kminor | holds 18 hard drives, 2 Quad-Cor x64 processors |
| 22:47.12 | p3rror | i'm using apt-file |
| 22:47.13 | phil6972 | Hello! := |
| 22:47.15 | kminor | holds 64 GIGS of ram |
| 22:47.27 | p3rror | is there any binary that make easy to fetch a file |
| 22:47.36 | kminor | I cant get the display manager working for the life of me though |
| 22:47.45 | kminor | p3rror : wget |
| 22:47.47 | comradekingu | wget? |
| 22:48.01 | kminor | p3rror : wget http://www.site.com/whateverfileuwant.zip |
| 22:48.02 | phil6972 | Is there anybody who can help me with IPv6? :) |
| 22:48.03 | p3rror | kminor, sorry |
| 22:48.11 | p3rror | even lynx, wget, curl |
| 22:48.20 | p3rror | i mean get a file from a debian package |
| 22:48.25 | kminor | i use lynx for cron jobs |
| 22:48.38 | p3rror | example i've lost a /etc/file.conf |
| 22:48.39 | kminor | lynx -source http://site.com/update.php |
| 22:49.08 | kminor | where are you trying to retrieve the file.conf from? |
| 22:49.10 | p3rror | like |
| 22:49.24 | p3rror | apt-file install subversion.conf |
| 22:49.59 | craigevil | !tell p3rror about confmiss |
| 22:50.54 | kminor | craigevil : oh cool, i've never used that before...sweet good lookin out |
| 22:51.00 | kminor | u learn somethin new everyday :) |
| 22:51.03 | p3rror | i think that it's a very complicated routines to reinstall the hole of package |
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| 22:51.28 | p3rror | may i to add an option to apt-file to fetch a file from debian repository |
| 22:51.28 | gapz | hi there :) |
| 22:51.35 | kminor | p3rror : sounds like craigevil's method is the best for ur situation |
| 22:51.58 | kminor | p3rror : just go to the debian's website repository |
| 22:52.14 | kminor | copy the URL for the file you want to fetch, use wget, and then put it where u want it |
| 22:52.27 | kminor | or remove & reinstall |
| 22:53.01 | kminor | What app is using the file.conf p3rror ? |
| 22:53.21 | p3rror | juit was an example |
| 22:53.29 | p3rror | i need to fetch proxychains.conf |
| 22:53.55 | p3rror | and reinstall does not work, i may do a remove purge before |
| 22:56.34 | kminor | run #aptitude purge proxychains |
| 22:56.42 | kminor | #aptitude install proxychains |
| 22:56.46 | kminor | and it'll be there |
| 22:57.06 | p3rror | :) |
| 22:57.11 | p3rror | sure |
| 22:57.19 | kminor | it will |
| 22:57.23 | kminor | check the file list |
| 22:57.27 | kminor | http://packages.debian.org/en/etch/alpha/proxychains/filelist |
| 22:57.37 | p3rror | but i think to tape one command line is more appreciate than two |
| 22:57.41 | kminor | same for i386 amd_64 |
| 22:57.46 | p3rror | and less complicated =) |
| 22:57.57 | p3rror | apt-file install whatever |
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| 22:58.50 | kminor | yeah i never use apt-file for installing things |
| 22:59.04 | themill | apt-file can't install things |
| 22:59.09 | craigevil | reinstall wont work hence the confmiss factoid |
| 22:59.14 | kminor | i thought it was for file information |
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| 23:00.01 | kminor | craigevil : yeah confmiss looks cool, glad u mentioned it to him because i didnt know about it :) |
| 23:00.21 | kminor | craigevil : but if he completely purges it and then installs it then it'll be there |
| 23:02.43 | shogunx | so you are having a problem getting x working, kminor? |
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| 23:03.54 | shogunx | phil6972 ipv6. check. |
| 23:03.56 | kminor | shogunx : with that HP Proliant yeah |
| 23:04.32 | phil6972 | shogunx: Thank you, I already found #ipv6 :) |
| 23:04.33 | shogunx | kminor, all of x or just gdm/kdm/whateverdm? |
| 23:04.34 | kminor | shogunx : even to get the ethernet cards working before the NETINST i had to download some wierd acx1000.deb to a thumbdrve |
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| 23:04.58 | kminor | shogunx : gdm/kdm/ yeah no display managers work on it yet |
| 23:05.08 | kminor | shogunx : right now I'm working on a different server tho |
| 23:05.17 | kminor | i have a quick question for u |
| 23:05.21 | shogunx | phil6972, ok, cool |
| 23:05.51 | shogunx | i may or may not have a quick answer |
| 23:06.06 | asulao | Hello. With xen, I have a dom0 running debian lenny 2.6.26-2 amd64, domU with etch i386. When trying to boot domU it complains about not being able to load 2.6.26-2 modules. Can't seem to work it out. What's the problem? This happens when I updated dom0 from 2.6.26-1 to 2.6.26-2 |
| 23:06.44 | kminor | if i have /etc/bind marked as drwxr-s-r-x can i cp -r /etc/bind to /root/backup/bind without messing up any symbolic links or anything like that? |
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| 23:07.59 | shogunx | kminor should be no problem. you have symlinks in your /etc/bind? |
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| 23:09.20 | kminor | shogunx : my setup on that server is kinda wierd, i use a hosting panel built from source, & had to build stuff like "postfix" from source back before it was in the etch repo and stuff like that |
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| 23:11.01 | kminor | shogunx : im kinda hestitant to make changes because it took forever for me to get courier-IMAP/IMAPS & POP3/POP3s working with postfix & roundcube webmail all built from source before they were in the debian stable repository back in the day |
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| 23:11.24 | shogunx | kminor, i would cp -a instead of cp -r |
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| 23:11.43 | kminor | shogunx : what's the diff of cp -r & cp -a? |
| 23:11.58 | kminor | i hate not having a linux partion on my laptop |
| 23:12.03 | kminor | easy man pages :) |
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| 23:12.21 | shogunx | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:12.21 | shogunx | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:12.30 | themill | !man cp |
| 23:12.30 | dpkg | man cp is probably at http://manpages.debian.net/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=cp where you can view many Debian man pages. Ask me about <docs> <dmp> <grounding> <search>. |
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| 23:13.26 | kminor | shogunx : yes i do have symbolic links in /etc/bind |
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| 23:13.55 | kminor | shogunx : /etc/bind/bind/ is a symbolicly linked directory |
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| 23:14.16 | kminor | shogunx : so that my web based hosting control panel can control DNS |
| 23:14.49 | kminor | shogunx : if im upgrading Bind9 from the lenny1 release to the lenny2 release, will it keep all of my configuration and symlinks? |
| 23:14.51 | shogunx | well, -a will preserve the links, mode, etc. |
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| 23:15.51 | kminor | shogunx : is cp -a a recursive copy too? |
| 23:15.52 | shogunx | kminor, it should not touch your configs... they are hand modified, so when you apt-get upgrade, dpkg will ask you what you want to do. |
| 23:16.00 | kminor | shogunx : or would it have to be cp -ar |
| 23:16.03 | shogunx | -a is recursive, yes, |
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| 23:16.22 | kminor | shogunx : well it says they're being held back on an apt-get upgrade |
| 23:16.40 | shogunx | dist-upgrade? |
| 23:16.51 | kminor | shogunx : im in synaptic on that machine in the other room, and all the new libraries and bind9 files are marked, i just dont want it to mess up any of my config |
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| 23:17.53 | shogunx | back it up with cp -a, then dist-upgrade. if there is a new version of bind, it should install it. |
| 23:18.16 | kminor | shogunx : even with the symlinked directory? |
| 23:18.16 | shogunx | never used synaptic... cant help you there. |
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| 23:18.38 | shogunx | yep |
| 23:18.42 | kminor | shogunx : for example i can go to /etc/bind/bind/bind/bind/bind/bind etc. etc. and on and on...i dunno why i forgot why i needed it setup like that |
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| 23:19.20 | kminor | shogunx : im in sudo konqueror right now |
| 23:19.20 | shogunx | recursive symlink loop... fun! :P |
| 23:19.58 | kminor | can i just copy the /etc/bind directory and put it in /home/user1/backup/bind and not worry about the recursive symlink loop? |
| 23:20.20 | shogunx | were it me, i would kill that symlink, do the backup, restore the symlink, and dist-upgrade |
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| 23:21.48 | kminor | shogunx : well im running it again with a web based hosting control panel these german guys wrote i've contributed a little bit of code to here and there in my area's of expertise |
| 23:22.03 | kminor | shogunx : http://admin.tetic.net |
| 23:22.23 | kminor | shogunx : they told me to set it up that way, and i hate changing things because it's hard to get help if a screw something up |
| 23:22.58 | kminor | shogunx : if i just upgrade bind it shouldnt touch those files anyways right? so i dont really need a backup u think? |
| 23:23.18 | shogunx | likely not. dpkg will ask you if you want to update the config files. |
| 23:23.39 | shogunx | backup is always wise, however, for reasons innumerable |
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| 23:24.32 | kminor | shogunx : maybe i'll just back it up on another server via scp or ftp |
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| 23:25.54 | kminor | I wish I had a good tutorial on how to do a full machine backup or system image backup using something like.. |
| 23:25.58 | kminor | rdiff-backup |
| 23:26.04 | kminor | or something.... |
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| 23:28.37 | shogunx | you could make a softraid 1 then just pull one disk... |
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| 23:31.20 | kminor | shogunx : this is my older production server that's in use, not the new one. it's only got one hard drive :/ |
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| 23:31.41 | kminor | what is the scp command to transfer an entire directory again? |
| 23:32.32 | idebug_ | jake___ : well, using .internal instead, i guess. wiki has a reference to it, but nothing that explains http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.local |
| 23:32.37 | kminor | scp /etc/bind kminor@192.168.1.106:/home/kminor/backup/server-backups/ |
| 23:32.38 | jpinx-eeepc | kminor: scp /dir /target - but you might consider rsync if it's archiving or so... |
| 23:33.21 | kminor | that would copy the entire /etc/bind to the backup server on 192.168.1.106 right? |
| 23:33.25 | jpinx-eeepc | kminor: that is definitely a job for rsync |
| 23:33.52 | jpinx-eeepc | kminor: you want to preserve all permissions etc - use rsync |
| 23:34.59 | shogunx | jpinx is right on that one... |
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| 23:35.14 | shogunx | if you want the scp route, scp -rp is the way |
| 23:35.25 | czesmir | who has 64 bit flash? |
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| 23:37.46 | kminor | jpinx-eeepc : this is just for a one time directory backup |
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| 23:38.20 | s3a | In order to read an external harddrive with an ext4 filesystem in Lenny, all I need is a kernel that supports ext4, right? (or do I need to install certain programs?) |
| 23:38.22 | jpinx-eeepc | kminor: if you start to backup, you'll want to do it once a week or so... ;) |
| 23:38.40 | kminor | jpinx-eeepc : scp -r /etc/bind/ kminor@192.168.1.106:/home/kminor/backup/ |
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| 23:39.15 | kminor | jpinx-eeepc : would that cause a problem with my symlink loop causing /etc/bind/bind/bind/bind/bind etc. etc.? or should i just use scp instead of scp -r? |
| 23:39.30 | jpinx-eeepc | does not use scp for backups |
| 23:40.05 | jpinx-eeepc | s3a: afaict yes - but /msg dpkg ext4 to see for yourself |
| 23:40.14 | kminor | jpinx-eeepc : how can i use rsync to backup just one directory one time? im not familiar with rsync |
| 23:40.54 | s3a | jpinx-eeepc, i dont no how to do that exactly |
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| 23:41.07 | s3a | jpinx-eeepc, im assuming it's not what you typed or else i'd see a dpkg message |
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| 23:41.27 | jpinx-eeepc | rsync -ar /the/one/dir/you/want you@999.999.999.999:/target/dir |
| 23:41.53 | jpinx-eeepc | s3a: /msg dpkg ext4 |
| 23:42.23 | s3a | jpinx-eeepc, all that does is say ext4 to me |
| 23:42.40 | jpinx-eeepc | kminor: ââ and remember a trailing / on the source will transfer the contents, not the dir |
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| 23:43.02 | jpinx-eeepc | !tell s3a about ext4 |
| 23:44.19 | s3a | jpinx-eeepc, o i got it |
| 23:44.19 | s3a | thx |
| 23:44.21 | kminor | Last question guys |
| 23:44.39 | kminor | my /var/lib/named/etc/bind is symlinked to /etc/bind/bind/ |
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| 23:44.51 | kminor | if i am upgrading bind9, will this be affected? |
| 23:45.03 | s3a | jpinx-eeepc, ok well the answer is that it works :), thx |
| 23:45.24 | jpinx-eeepc | s3a: I guessed that too :) enjoy.. |
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| 23:51.05 | TaskbarGone | Is there a way to mashup "apt-cache search <SearchTerm>" & "dpkg -l" - so that given a SearchTerm, it would find all the related package names in the cache, then do a "dpkg -l" on those package names? |
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| 23:52.59 | shilov | What are the general steps one takes to intelligently estimate how much memory a server application needs? |
| 23:53.30 | shilov | How can I determine how much memory to assign MySQL, Apache, PHP, etc? |
| 23:53.42 | Sm0ke0ut | using `top`? |
| 23:53.51 | Sm0ke0ut | or `ps` |
| 23:54.12 | shilov | I can pull up top but how would I know if I assigned too much, or too little? |
| 23:55.25 | peterrooney | kminor: which version of debian are you running? |
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| 23:58.15 | kminor | peterrooney : lenny stable |
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