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| 00:00.53 | CodeNinja | sweetpi, I need the keys to get that far and boot from a cd |
| 00:01.33 | sweetpi | oh, though you might have cdrom first in the boot order |
| 00:01.57 | CodeNinja | sadly, no, because I'm a dumbass |
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| 00:04.51 | sweetpi | maybe bios reset would put cdrom first |
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| 00:05.27 | sweetpi | or you could just buy a keyboard :) |
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| 00:06.16 | QUE | @neels: http://pastebin.com/gsLGkk3A i type the right passwd.still complaing wrong |
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| 00:06.38 | miguel000 | where is it appropriate to put programs I obtain by downloading tham as a tarball, as opposed to getting them with aptitude? |
| 00:07.17 | sweetpi | home directory or /usr/local |
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| 00:08.55 | s3a | Is there a difference with what dpkg -P packagename does compared to apt-get remove --purge packagename? |
| 00:08.57 | miguel000 | they do not really follow the /bin /etc /var format.. so I guess its better to put them in home. |
| 00:09.08 | wizardyesterday | sweetpi, I have a tarballs directory in my home directory where I store the downloaded tarballs... but that's just my preference |
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| 00:09.23 | miguel000 | wizardyesterday: I wonder WHERE to untar them |
| 00:09.30 | s3a | (other than the fact that dpkg can also remove things that are not from repositories) |
| 00:09.35 | sweetpi | wizardyesterday: that was for miguel000 |
| 00:09.40 | miguel000 | not where to store the tarballs itself |
| 00:09.48 | sweetpi | oh nm |
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| 00:09.50 | wizardyesterday | sweetpi, I have to change my colors :) |
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| 00:10.03 | wizardyesterday | or use a larger font for display... |
| 00:10.49 | sweetpi | miguel000: if the program is just for you, put it somewhere in your home, if not /usr/local |
| 00:11.34 | miguel000 | sweetpi: ah ok good point |
| 00:11.36 | miguel000 | thx |
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| 00:13.26 | QUE | working now |
| 00:13.27 | QUE | thanks guys |
| 00:14.35 | miguel000 | I also do not reall like having the Desktop, Mail directories in my home.. can I change this somehow? |
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| 00:14.58 | miguel000 | like move it deeper into the directory structure inside my home dir |
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| 00:17.50 | mei | miguel000: It is possible to remove the Desktop folder in your home folder. |
| 00:18.53 | sweetpi | thats also bugged me having "Downloads, Desktop, Music, etc.." being directly in my home, but i figured it would take more gconf editing than it was worth |
| 00:19.12 | mei | miguel000: But that was might not what you wanted. In any case, find what application is causing the creation of folders in your home folder (such as "Desktop" is created by nautilus) and configure the application to change or remove the folder, if possible. |
| 00:19.14 | miguel000 | sweetpi: ook |
| 00:19.49 | miguel000 | mei: yeah, I hoped it might be set somewhere globally for all applciations depending on the Desktop folder |
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| 00:20.50 | sweetpi | hmm nice! ~/.config/user-dirs.dirs |
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| 00:22.05 | mei | sweetpi: gconf-editor seems to help you do the job. |
| 00:22.43 | mei | http://www.yolinux.com/TUTORIALS/GNOME.html#GCONF explained quite alot. |
| 00:22.44 | mei | a lot* |
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| 00:24.09 | sweetpi | too much clicking :) ~/.config/user-dirs.dirs looks perfect |
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| 00:26.54 | corpcomp | Can someone please varify for me that www.debian.org is up. I am trying to find out if the problem is with my network or not. |
| 00:27.13 | jm | works for me |
| 00:27.17 | corpcomp | ty |
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| 00:29.37 | tbsaunde | sweetpi: where is that file documented? |
| 00:29.47 | tbsaunde | sweetpi: where is that file documented? |
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| 00:30.25 | tbsaunde | sweetpi: where is that file documented? |
| 00:30.36 | jhutchins_lt | vvvvvhttp://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/www.debian.org |
| 00:30.42 | tbsaunde | arg I'm an idiot, sorry about that :( |
| 00:30.44 | jhutchins_lt | http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/www.debian.org |
| 00:31.52 | sweetpi | tbsaunde: no idea, its a pretty simple file though |
| 00:32.13 | tbsaunde | sweetpi: ok, how did you find it? |
| 00:32.26 | tbsaunde | sweetpi: it doesn't seem to exist here |
| 00:32.46 | sweetpi | I did a grep on my home dir for 'Desktop' |
| 00:32.57 | tbsaunde | sweetpi: :) |
| 00:33.21 | tbsaunde | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:33.29 | sweetpi | ill pastebin the contents so you can read |
| 00:33.48 | tbsaunde | sweetpi: don't worry about it |
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| 00:34.29 | sweetpi | ok, it says its from xdg-user-dirs-update |
| 00:34.48 | craigevil | its created if you have the xdg-user-dirs package installed |
| 00:35.08 | tbsaunde | sweetpi: ok, thanks |
| 00:37.25 | sweetpi | how cute, they even have a gui: xdg-user-dirs-gtk |
| 00:37.56 | tbsaunde | sweetpi: lols :p |
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| 01:01.30 | bcw | hi. i'm using squeeze on my laptop for better wireless support, but though it seems to detect the access point and obtain an IP address just fine, when i try to actually use the connection for anything I get either "cannot resolve hostname" (if i use a name like example.com) or "destination host unreachable" (if I use an IP address). even pinging the access point itself gives the same error. anyone know what to do? |
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| 01:03.53 | sepult | bcw: your problem is the /etc/resolv.conf and /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/* things |
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| 01:04.05 | sepult | bcw: did you put your nameservers in there ? |
| 01:04.14 | abrotman | is he pinging by IP ? |
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| 01:04.43 | bcw | sepult, no i haven't. but i'm using GNOME NetworkManager, i thought it handled that stuff automatically |
| 01:04.50 | sepult | nope |
| 01:04.55 | sepult | nothing automatic in debian |
| 01:05.06 | bcw | abrotman, yes, i have tried pinging by IP |
| 01:05.09 | sepult | networkmanager will just manage to get them up |
| 01:05.18 | abrotman | lots fo things are automatic |
| 01:05.19 | sepult | but not resolve |
| 01:05.41 | abrotman | bcw: if you look with ifconfig, do you see your IP? Cna you pingthat ? |
| 01:05.48 | sepult | i meant that to not rely on that behavior |
| 01:06.16 | sepult | i mean most things may be automatic but if you don't know which beforehand you shouldn't assume either |
| 01:06.38 | bcw | abrotman, yes i do see that, and pinging it seems to work |
| 01:06.56 | abrotman | bcw: how is your route ? |
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| 01:08.27 | bcw | abrotman, not sure. i tried checking route before, but it's been a while, i forgot. afaik, i have to disconnect from my normal wired connection to really test that (means i'd have to leave here and come back) |
| 01:09.08 | abrotman | well, you sohuld do so on a clean boot if you're going to |
| 01:10.11 | bcw | ok. i'll try that, and i'll take a look at /etc/resolv.conf and /etc/resolvconf too while i'm at it |
| 01:10.34 | bcw | so i'll be back later, thanks for now |
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| 01:24.56 | SlikerT | hey whats up everyone |
| 01:27.03 | SlikerT | what everyone up to |
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| 01:27.08 | flaccid | your mum |
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| 01:27.45 | SlikerT | whats everyon |
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| 01:28.24 | bcw | abrotman, here's the output: http://paste.debian.net/78946/ . i noticed that the last line takes several seconds to appear, so i wonder if it might be some kind of timeout issue. |
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| 01:30.53 | tappneuchtype | !ops | http://AnonTalk.se/r/30 ` tappneuchtype icebrain FallenHitokiri S1kx bcw Guest74019 xiangfu SlikerT valdyn chilicuil MrFahrenheit knnk ryan_46 Benwa geowany NoCode gpm Theoden oneman jpinx-ee1pc Dan548 jgeboski fnmrwick Granis lucasmocellin CharminTheMoose Deadguy CyberDomovoy eledesmar xxtjaxx tensorpudding okamura sepult corpcomp ferret_ luminoso xand arvind_khadri pbn hercynium inspiron miguel000 Holborn darrob locklace LinuxNIT blouf ponch |
| 01:30.54 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: tappneuchtype complains about: | http://AnonTalk.se/r/30 ` tappneuchtype icebrain FallenHitokiri S1kx bcw Guest74019 xiangfu SlikerT valdyn chilicuil MrFahrenheit knnk ryan_46 Benwa geowany NoCode gpm Theoden ... |
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| 01:31.03 | flaccid | `ops |
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| 01:31.45 | Benwa | !ops |
| 01:31.46 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ops is Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. |
| 01:31.56 | thrashold | Why do people need to do such stupid things when I'm almost sleeping, only to wake me up and confuse me? |
| 01:32.10 | Benwa | Tramp> |
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| 01:32.52 | Benwa | oups... trashold> rofl |
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| 01:34.28 | bcw | abrotman, does that route look normal to you? |
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| 01:34.53 | abrotman | bcw: loading, moment |
| 01:35.10 | abrotman | bcw: sorry, route -n is better |
| 01:35.24 | abrotman | though it does look odd |
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| 01:37.10 | bcw | abrotman, any idea what the problem might be? or do you need me to reboot again and do route -n? |
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| 01:37.23 | NoCode | Why do people do that here? |
| 01:37.27 | NoCode | :| |
| 01:37.43 | NoCode | Hoping to ban the bot? |
| 01:37.45 | NoCode | ... |
| 01:38.01 | joneal | what is that? |
| 01:38.27 | joneal | I keep coming in here thinking someone called my name for some reason |
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| 01:40.03 | Tramp | bcw: the route-output looks fine to me, given that the 1.254 is your AP. Nor sure why you have a link-local (169.254...) address assigned though. |
| 01:40.25 | sepult | fails dhcp |
| 01:40.29 | sepult | that's why |
| 01:40.38 | sepult | like on windows |
| 01:40.40 | Tramp | sepult: then where comes the GW from? |
| 01:40.43 | abrotman | bcw: it'd be better .. |
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| 01:41.42 | bcw | Tramp, I'm not sure either. abrotman, ok, i'll reboot and do it. be back in a bit |
| 01:41.44 | Tramp | if he has to change connections for every Q that may come up, I doubt this can be fixed in a productive way however |
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| 01:41.58 | abrotman | hehe |
| 01:42.00 | Tramp | bcw: no, wait |
| 01:42.09 | bcw | ok, waiting |
| 01:42.27 | abrotman | bcw: have you tried 'route add default gw 192.168.1.254' when it doesn't work ? |
| 01:42.43 | bcw | no i haven't |
| 01:43.02 | sepult | so it tries the AP as a gate |
| 01:43.10 | sepult | and fails dhcp then |
| 01:43.10 | Tramp | if you want to go on with that, then also (1) get the output of ifconfig -a (2) ping the GW and then get the output of arp -an (3) get the output of iwconfig |
| 01:43.16 | Tramp | bcw: ^^ |
| 01:43.46 | bcw | ok |
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| 01:44.21 | oneman | Incase anyone is interested, I have reverse engineered the network protocol of the FiOS TV Mobile Remote, if you have FiOS TV it is now possible to control your set top box via a Network. I have released the software here: http://github.com/oneman/FiosRemote Need testers! |
| 01:44.49 | bcw | should i get the output of arp -an while it's still pinging the gateway, or is it ok to do ping -c 4 and then arp -an? |
| 01:45.11 | Tramp | bcw: ping, then arp |
| 01:45.28 | sweetpi | .254 is actually your ap? |
| 01:45.32 | bcw | ok |
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| 01:45.39 | bcw | sweetpi, yes, it is |
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| 01:46.39 | sweetpi | ive missed most of the conversation, just making sure |
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| 01:47.56 | bcw | i'd better write down these steps, so i don't forget. then i'll do them after reboot. |
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| 01:49.01 | lfitz | hi, i have openssh 5.1p1 installed and i can run it with /etc/init.d/ssh start but i installed openssh 5.5p1 and i have to run it manually with a direct path to the binary, can i 'upgrade' the package with apt-get or dpkg? |
| 01:49.05 | lfitz | somehow.. |
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| 01:51.11 | abrotman | oneman: don't do that all over the place |
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| 01:56.10 | sweetpi | lfitz: dunno how safe it would be, but you could symlink /usr/sbin/sshd to your new version. 5.5 is in squeeze though, that might work out |
| 01:57.30 | lfitz | hmm, cause ssh is the only way i have access to this box... i can physically reboot it but id prefer not too, wonder what happens when i symlink it and then use restart |
| 01:57.34 | lfitz | sweetpi: ^^ |
| 01:58.01 | bcw | ok, i've got this written down (i'm a slow hand-writer), now i'll reboot and be back once i've got it pasted. |
| 01:59.21 | sweetpi | lfitz: you run the new one on another port, make sure you can get in... then symlink it to be safe |
| 02:00.28 | sweetpi | lfitz: just make sure you backup the old sshd |
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| 02:02.12 | lfitz | yeah, i think i will do that sweetpi |
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| 02:11.11 | bcw | ok, here's the info: http://paste.debian.net/78947/ |
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| 02:18.09 | bcw | Tramp, abrotman : there's the information you requested |
| 02:19.36 | abrotman | bcw: i think that other route is messing itup |
| 02:20.35 | bcw | abrotman, ok, should i try removing that route? and if so, how would i do that permanently? |
| 02:20.53 | abrotman | it shuldn't be happening at all |
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| 02:21.21 | Tramp | weird. It looks good, has arp but gets "destination host unreachable" |
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| 02:21.29 | sweetpi | its metric is 1000 |
| 02:21.44 | sweetpi | and i have the same route on my laptop |
| 02:21.57 | Tramp | the metric on the wlan0 is 2, that's weird |
| 02:22.09 | Tramp | the metric 1000 on the link local should be ok |
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| 02:23.37 | sweetpi | i think ive seen this before with odd routers that would associate and give dhcp even though mac filtering was on |
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| 02:24.13 | abrotman | bcw: i wonder what would happen if you ifdown wlan0 and then brought it up again |
| 02:24.38 | bcw | i'll try it |
| 02:24.50 | bcw | be back in a sec |
| 02:24.51 | jpinx | sweetpi: my peruvian router was a bugger for ignoring MAC filtering |
| 02:24.55 | Tramp | bcw: and check the settings on the routers sweetpi suggested |
| 02:25.15 | bcw | ok |
| 02:25.17 | Tramp | s/routers/router/ |
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| 02:25.50 | Tramp | mac says it's a 2wire |
| 02:25.57 | Tramp | no idea about that stuff |
| 02:26.46 | zebradog | jpinx, peruvian? that sounds very condescending towards south american people |
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| 02:27.20 | jpinx | not at all - they cursed it as much as me ;) |
| 02:27.26 | sweetpi | jpinx: it took me a few hours of bashing my head to finally realize mac filtering was added after association and dhcp.. then the router would check the filter list and block other traffic |
| 02:27.39 | zebradog | jpinx, what makes you think peruvians are stupid? |
| 02:28.10 | abrotman | zebradog: he bought it while he was living in peru .. chill out |
| 02:28.11 | jpinx | sweetpi: yep - it was all down to the sequence of the processes |
| 02:28.42 | jpinx | zebradog: it's ok - I never associated the words stuid and peruvian ;) |
| 02:28.46 | michela | any advice on fixing an environment so "su <account>" can find cp? Trying to install a .deb using dpkg and getting cp not found |
| 02:28.52 | abrotman | he can't even spell it |
| 02:29.28 | jpinx | yea -- that too :p |
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| 02:30.13 | jpinx | michela: was the account setup with restrictions? cp is global |
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| 02:31.02 | abrotman | or it's not debian |
| 02:31.11 | jpinx | ;) |
| 02:31.14 | michela | not that I can see |
| 02:31.26 | jpinx | what release michela ? |
| 02:31.31 | sweetpi | michaa: echo $PATH; ls -al /bin/cp |
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| 02:32.04 | sweetpi | michela: ^^ |
| 02:32.15 | jpinx | sweetpi: that's assuming she *is* the user in need ;) |
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| 02:32.27 | michela | ls not found! |
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| 02:32.34 | sweetpi | ha |
| 02:32.43 | xerophyte | i have test server trying to get squeeze, xen 3.4 and grub .. when edit the /etc/grub.d/40_custom with following configuration http://www.dpaste.org/9ByB/ and getting error saying unknown command kernel .. does anybody know why |
| 02:33.07 | michela | jpinx version is 5.0.4 |
| 02:33.55 | jpinx | michela: fairysnuff, but that user is not well-connected ;) |
| 02:34.04 | sweetpi | your path is all messed up |
| 02:34.17 | xerophyte | sweetpi: is that for me |
| 02:34.31 | michela | This is an account unitysrv created as part of Unity3D Asset Server .deb |
| 02:34.35 | sweetpi | no sorry for michela |
| 02:35.19 | sweetpi | and i dont label my chat again.. bleh |
| 02:35.57 | michela | sweetpi yeah path messed up but think there's underlying prob |
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| 02:38.18 | michela | Thing is, if I su with - , no problem but not sure how to fix the lack of env without providing - (as in "su - unitysrv") Don't want to have to edit a stack of install scripts in the .deb |
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| 02:41.07 | sweetpi | michela: so your writing an install script and when you try to install your deb, your getting these errors? |
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| 02:42.01 | michela | sweetpi, no I'm just getting errors with a 3rd party deb and assuming something wrong with my host config - http://download.unity3d.com/asset-server/ |
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| 02:42.56 | michela | looking at the install scripts, what's happening is that a bunch of install scripts are failing due to cp not being found |
| 02:43.21 | michela | which I can replicate on the commandline so wondering if you folks had any advice |
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| 02:43.54 | zebradog | michela, maybe check the PATH= variable from their install script.. |
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| 02:44.20 | michela | zebradog - ta, tried that. /bin is in path |
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| 02:46.20 | zebradog | michela, then compare the set environments |
| 02:46.33 | bcw | i checked, there is a MAC Filtering option on my router's config, but it was disabled. i tried enabling it too, still didn't work. i do have one other idea: i have a software firewall installed on this laptop, is it possible/likely that could be preventing me from connecting to my access point? |
| 02:46.57 | zebradog | bcw, can you scan your access point? |
| 02:47.04 | bcw | scan? |
| 02:47.20 | zebradog | bcw, is this wireless?/ |
| 02:47.23 | bcw | yes |
| 02:47.37 | zebradog | bcw, so iwlist <interface> scan |
| 02:47.45 | sweetpi | michela: so just to be clear, you su username, and /bin is in the path, but cp is not found? |
| 02:48.28 | Tramp | bcw: yes. Disable the firewall |
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| 02:48.44 | michela | sweetpi, no not exactly "su unitysrv" has Nothing (env, cp, ls ..) in path. Any other "su <user>" has the coreutils |
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| 02:49.33 | Tramp | michela: then I'd suggest to check the startup-scripts of this "unitysrv" shell in its HOME |
| 02:50.03 | sweetpi | michela: maybe the shell for unitysrv is something odd, or the resource files for the shell clear the path |
| 02:50.44 | bcw | zebradog, that shows my access point (and some info about it). |
| 02:50.57 | bcw | Tramp, ok, i'll try that in a minute |
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| 02:51.44 | michela | Tramp sweetpi, just nothign there. Pastebin'ed the accounts entry in passwd and home dir listing - http://pastebin.com/tzyEu4Xn |
| 02:53.02 | michela | Oh I changed shell to bash to test, was set to sh |
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| 02:54.00 | bcw | i've gotta go do something, be back in a while. i'll try disabling the firewall before i come back |
| 02:54.10 | sweetpi | michela: hmm thats a chroot, maybe its trying to run /opt/unity_asset_server/bin/cp |
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| 02:55.14 | michela | sweetpi, I put a symlink in to test but didn't find that either |
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| 02:55.52 | sweetpi | actually that might not be a chroot, it looks like the installer just dumped a its contents there |
| 02:56.05 | michela | It's gotta be something basic because I seem to be the only one experiencing prob on debian |
| 02:57.23 | sweetpi | michela: symlinks wont work outside the chroot |
| 02:58.04 | sweetpi | cp /bin/cp /opt/unity_asset_server/bin/ |
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| 03:00.21 | michela | sweetpi Still not found |
| 03:00.49 | abrotman | busybox ? |
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| 03:03.25 | wireddd | trying to do a netinstall of testing on my eeepc via a thumb drive, following these instructions, but they don't seem to work: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/HowTo/InstallUsingStandardInstaller#Preparation |
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| 03:03.50 | sweetpi | michela: the real problem is that PATH isnt getting set, right? |
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| 03:04.11 | michela | sweetpi Right |
| 03:04.34 | michela | For any other user on this box, "su <user>" still has a PATH but not unitysrv |
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| 03:06.03 | wireddd | basically the directions are: wget http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso; wget http://people.debian.org/~joeyh/d-i/images/daily/hd-media/boot.img.gz; zcat boot.img.gz /dev/sdX; mkdir tmp; mount /dev/sdX tmp; cp debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso tmp; umount tmp; rm -r tmp |
| 03:06.30 | wireddd | but it doesn't boot, just hangs with a blank screen and a cursor |
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| 03:07.16 | Traveler6 | Hello |
| 03:07.17 | wireddd | any advice? |
| 03:08.06 | Traveler6 | Does anyone who run debian-testing had any problems with it? I need a stable distro but debian-stable's packages are very old, can't live with that. thanks. |
| 03:08.23 | Traveler6 | I'm looking to install debian as a desktop and my main os |
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| 03:08.42 | wireddd | plenty of people do |
| 03:09.20 | Traveler6 | plenty of people do what? |
| 03:09.28 | sweetpi | michela: ha i was searching around and got ready to say i found someone having the same issue, then realized it was you |
| 03:09.32 | wireddd | run testing as their desktop os |
| 03:09.44 | Traveler6 | yes but it's going to be my main os |
| 03:09.58 | Traveler6 | i need to know how 'stable' is it |
| 03:10.15 | Traveler6 | is it comparable to a bleeding edge distro ? |
| 03:10.26 | abrotman | stuff still breaks, usually not too badly |
| 03:10.32 | michela | sweetpi :-D |
| 03:10.46 | Traveler6 | i see |
| 03:11.47 | wireddd | abrotman: the directions on how to install squeeze from a usb drive don't sound correct |
| 03:11.55 | abrotman | ? |
| 03:12.04 | abrotman | i used them, they can't be that bad |
| 03:12.16 | wireddd | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/HowTo/InstallUsingStandardInstaller#Preparation |
| 03:12.33 | wireddd | see "Squeeze (testing) using an updated d-i" |
| 03:12.52 | wireddd | aren't you supposed to extract the iso image and copy the files over? |
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| 03:16.00 | michela | what's the best way to look inside a .deb package? |
| 03:16.24 | phizz | michela: magnifying glass |
| 03:16.50 | michela | phizz fabulous |
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| 03:17.27 | phizz | michela: man dpkg |
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| 03:18.31 | sweetpi | michela: ar vx foo.deb |
| 03:20.03 | bcw | yep, that was it. the firewall was blocking me from accessing anything 'cuz i didn't add the wlan0 interface to its config files. i feel like an idiot. i even *thought of* the firewall before i tried all those diagnostics, but i thought it was not being blocking since it was able to do the DHCP thing. |
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| 03:21.24 | ryan_ | gonna us dd to backup images of work drives, will dd copy the bootloader also or will I have to reinstall the bootloader? |
| 03:22.03 | wireddd | dd will copy everything, even the empty space |
| 03:23.00 | bcw | i guess that's integrated into the kernel enough that it bypasses the iptables rules, right? |
| 03:23.18 | Tramp | bcw: dhcp is not affected by iptables since it uses raw sockets |
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| 03:24.17 | Tramp | or, as they are correctly called, packet sockets |
| 03:24.26 | bcw | i don't quite understand why that statement is true, but i believe it |
| 03:24.46 | k\t | mMMmm, sniffing sockets.. |
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| 03:25.05 | base64 | so awesome they got banned on winxp ;p |
| 03:25.07 | Tramp | bcw: man 7 packet for details - and it's because dhcp uses some "weird" packets for its communication |
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| 03:26.46 | bcw | Tramp, ok. i understood the basic idea of a raw socket (though i've never written code that used them myself), but i don't yet understand why they're allowed to get around iptables |
| 03:27.04 | base64 | because they implement their own network stack |
| 03:27.37 | bcw | hmm. ok. |
| 03:27.51 | base64 | generally your firewall will be monitoring the systems network stack only |
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| 03:29.06 | base64 | pcap would be an example of an interface to a custom network stack that lets you do wacky things |
| 03:29.31 | bcw | i'll do some reading later, but it surprises me that the kernel allows other programs to access the nic. kinda defeats the purpose of a firewall, doesn't it? |
| 03:30.20 | bcw | but then again, i can see why some programs would need to do that, like pcap. |
| 03:30.36 | bcw | as you say |
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| 03:30.40 | base64 | you would need to be root |
| 03:30.51 | base64 | which would allow you to also stop the firewall or access any other hardware |
| 03:31.03 | bcw | ok. that makes sense then |
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| 03:31.43 | base64 | on windows xp sp2 and later they try to disable access to raw sockets and also limit some other things |
| 03:31.50 | base64 | not sure if vista/7 do the same thing |
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| 03:34.14 | bcw | anyway, thanks for all the help everyone, and i'm sorry i didn't mention the firewall earlier. |
| 03:34.53 | bcw | have a good night/day all |
| 03:35.04 | Tramp | yw |
| 03:35.22 | k\t | 0> |
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| 03:35.53 | k\t | 0/~ |
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| 03:47.04 | factor | I am having trouble upgrading from stable to testing |
| 03:47.14 | factor | which is the best method and what comands |
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| 03:49.17 | Tramp | !tell factor -about lenny->squeeze |
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| 03:50.50 | blast_hardcheese | !tell blast_hardcheese -about lenny->squeeze |
| 03:51.35 | Tramp | blast_hardcheese: you can also /msg the bot directly |
| 03:51.50 | factor | apt and its like are all messed up |
| 03:51.51 | apt | factor: okay |
| 03:51.52 | blast_hardcheese | Tramp: I tried that, he didn't respond |
| 03:51.58 | factor | how do I get the kernel installed |
| 03:52.06 | factor | then I can reboot and try again |
| 03:52.16 | blast_hardcheese | Tramp: Ah, I messaged the wrong bot. |
| 03:52.21 | Tramp | :) |
| 03:52.30 | blast_hardcheese | I assumed "debhelper" was the bot that responded to that |
| 03:52.30 | factor | how can I force just a kernel apt get and forget the other messed up packages |
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| 03:54.51 | factor | anyone know how I can upgrade just the kernel |
| 03:54.57 | factor | my apt is borked |
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| 03:57.32 | blast_hardcheese | factor: Can you paste what you get when you just say apt-get install linux-image-<machine type> |
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| 03:57.48 | blast_hardcheese | (using a pastebin service) |
| 03:57.55 | factor | it works just wont get past the udev stuff |
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| 03:58.05 | blast_hardcheese | factor: Right, because you need to reboot |
| 03:58.08 | factor | it tells me I need to upgrade my kernel |
| 03:58.12 | i_am_error | what is the file that holds my settings for swapiness? |
| 03:58.25 | blast_hardcheese | factor: Right, because you're still /booted/ into the old kernel |
| 03:58.37 | factor | yes but the new kernel is not installed |
| 03:58.47 | blast_hardcheese | factor: Can you paste what you get when you just say apt-get install linux-image-<machine type> |
| 03:58.47 | factor | it wont let me get past to install the kernel |
| 03:58.53 | SlikerT | is there a way to change what programs start when I login into ubuntu 8.04 |
| 03:59.23 | blast_hardcheese | SlikerT: #ubuntu can probably help |
| 04:00.04 | factor | blast_hardcheese, it dont work |
| 04:00.10 | factor | tells me to install -f |
| 04:00.14 | factor | but that wont work |
| 04:00.34 | SlikerT | is that just the manual |
| 04:00.36 | blast_hardcheese | factor: Wonderful; until you pastebin what you get from that, I can't help you. |
| 04:00.43 | factor | blast_hardcheese, it gets hung on basic packages like kde base etc |
| 04:01.40 | blast_hardcheese | factor: Hmm. What happens if you just say "dpkg --configure -a && aptitude install", take care of those packages, then install the kenel? |
| 04:01.42 | blast_hardcheese | *kernel |
| 04:02.02 | factor | blast_hardcheese, http://pastebin.com/C9wEYsQn |
| 04:02.29 | SlikerT | Alright I figured it out Thanks Blast |
| 04:02.43 | blast_hardcheese | SlikerT: Yep |
| 04:02.46 | factor | second options just gives me loads of dep problems |
| 04:03.40 | blast_hardcheese | factor: oh, are you pinned to a certain version in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/70debconf ? |
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| 04:04.03 | factor | blast_hardcheese, how do I fix it |
| 04:04.20 | blast_hardcheese | Check that file, see if you've got Default-release: "stable"; or something like it |
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| 04:05.14 | factor | dont think I do but will post it |
| 04:05.20 | blast_hardcheese | factor: k |
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| 04:06.35 | factor | http://pastebin.com/u18YT1c6 |
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| 04:07.33 | factor | that is my sources.list |
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| 04:07.42 | blast_hardcheese | k |
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| 04:08.08 | Traveler0 | Any idea when the links to the download will be fixed? |
| 04:08.23 | Traveler0 | All I see is big not found crap |
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| 04:09.30 | dondelelcaro | Traveler0: which links? |
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| 04:10.24 | blast_hardcheese | Traveler0: looks like they renamed "5.0.4" to "5.0.5" on the server, http://ftp.acc.umu.se/debian-cd/ is the root |
| 04:11.54 | Traveler0 | is there a netinstall for testing ? |
| 04:12.00 | blast_hardcheese | s/renamed/changed from/ |
| 04:12.27 | blast_hardcheese | Traveler0: Pretty sure if you go into advanced mode you can choose the release you want to install |
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| 04:17.50 | Traveler0 | What about upgrading from stable to testing? |
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| 04:18.09 | Traveler0 | I tried changing the names in /etc/apt/sources.list and then upgrading |
| 04:18.27 | Traveler0 | nothing happend, besides showing me 0 packages were upgraded etc. |
| 04:18.49 | jpinx | !tell Traveler0 about lenny->squeeze |
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| 04:19.32 | blast_hardcheese | Traveler0: Make sure you're not selecting your revision in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/70debconf |
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| 04:20.36 | jpinx | Traveler0: did you read the factoid from dpkg ? |
| 04:21.11 | Traveler0 | yes |
| 04:21.18 | Traveler0 | i'm trying it now |
| 04:21.32 | jpinx | ;) |
| 04:25.37 | factor | I will try to use dpkg to grab the kernel form the web site and manually install each package and dep |
| 04:25.42 | factor | just a ptia |
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| 04:26.26 | thepro4e1er | when i do "aptitude search eclipse" the program can't find it, what are my options? |
| 04:27.55 | jpinx | ,versions eclipse |
| 04:27.57 | judd | eclipse -- etch: 3.2.1-4; sid: 3.5.2-3; squeeze: 3.5.2-3 |
| 04:28.17 | jpinx | thepro4e1er: looks like you will have to backport it |
| 04:28.32 | thepro4e1er | what does backporting mean |
| 04:28.40 | jpinx | !bpo |
| 04:28.40 | dpkg | backports.org is a semi-official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://deb.li/bpoi . A sample line for your sources.list is: deb http://www.backports.org/debian lenny-backports main contrib non-free. Once added: "aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update". <bpo mirrors> <bpo contents> <bpo list> <backports-users> |
| 04:28.45 | jpinx | !ssb |
| 04:28.45 | dpkg | First, check for a backport on <backports.org>. If unavailable: 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list 2) enable backports.org (see <bpo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>. |
| 04:28.55 | jpinx | thepro4e1er: ↑↑↑ |
| 04:31.10 | blast_hardcheese | factor: I've just been waiting until you posted your 70debconf |
| 04:31.22 | factor | where is that located |
| 04:31.24 | blast_hardcheese | You posted your sources.list, something I didn't ask for |
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| 04:31.39 | blast_hardcheese | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:32.08 | factor | DPkg::Pre-Install-Pkgs {"/usr/sbin/dpkg-preconfigure --apt || true";}; |
| 04:32.08 | dpkg | bugger all, i dunno, factor |
| 04:32.14 | factor | that is it just one line |
| 04:32.24 | blast_hardcheese | factor: huh |
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| 04:33.11 | blast_hardcheese | factor: I could probably figure it out if I was actually doing the upgrade, I'm not skilled enough to troubleshoot this kind of problem over IRC |
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| 04:34.14 | thepro4e1er | is "aptitude search eclipse" the right command to find the eclipse package? |
| 04:34.36 | jpinx | thepro4e1er: yes |
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| 04:34.50 | jpinx | thepro4e1er: but if you are on lenny you will not find it |
| 04:35.00 | thepro4e1er | jpinx: nooooooooooo |
| 04:35.10 | thepro4e1er | jpinx: i'm on lenny! |
| 04:35.30 | jpinx | thepro4e1er: did you not read all the factoids I posted for you? |
| 04:36.46 | jpinx | !tell thepro4e1er about ssb, bpo |
| 04:37.12 | jpinx | !tell thepro4e1er about ssb |
| 04:37.12 | factor | ok look like I am foo barded , I will try to unbork it |
| 04:37.21 | jpinx | !tell thepro4e1er about bpo |
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| 04:47.43 | CyberDomovoy | if i send signal 15 to a process, it should exit with return code 0, right? |
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| 05:03.03 | phenom | Any one have a recommendation for a backup utility that will automatically monitor a folder and backup to a remote pc via ssh? Perhaps a utility to automate rsync. |
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| 05:03.58 | streuner_ | dpkg, info backuppc |
| 05:04.29 | dpkg | backuppc: (high-performance, enterprise-grade system for backing up PCs), section utils, is optional. Version: 3.1.0-9 (sid), Packaged size: 551 kB, Installed size: 2170 kB |
| 05:07.43 | phenom | streuner_, Thank you, I'll look in to it. |
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| 05:30.40 | napster | Hello friends |
| 05:31.18 | pabl0x | napster, hi |
| 05:31.28 | napster | I would like to be a part of the maintainers group. How can I start proceed? |
| 05:31.35 | napster | pabl0x: Hi |
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| 05:33.50 | napster | pabl0x: Can you help me? |
| 05:34.51 | pabl0x | napster, nop, sory. I m new here |
| 05:34.59 | napster | okey |
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| 06:07.21 | napster | I would like to be a part of the maintainers group. How can I start proceed? |
| 06:08.38 | lindi- | napster: by not repeating questions and by using realname field :) |
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| 06:09.55 | napster | lindi-: Thats not the point! Can you help me? |
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| 06:11.13 | Jhiaxuss | hi |
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| 06:12.09 | Jhiaxuss | i need some help im stuck between debian and fedora. Can debian do everything fedora does and vice versa |
| 06:12.34 | lindi- | napster: i thought you were asking on how to become a debian maintainer |
| 06:12.35 | jpinx | Jhiaxuss: basically yes |
| 06:12.49 | lindi- | napster: but maybe you mean the "adm" group? |
| 06:12.56 | jpinx | Jhiaxuss: what are you stuck with? |
| 06:13.06 | napster | lindi-: yes I am... |
| 06:13.14 | lindi- | napster: you were not very clear on what you wanted to do so I guessed |
| 06:13.56 | napster | lindi-: I would like to be a debian maintainer, thats it |
| 06:14.07 | Jhiaxuss | deciding which distro is best and what distro doesmore than the other |
| 06:14.09 | napster | lindi-: Can you help? |
| 06:14.23 | jpinx | Jhiaxuss: define "more" ;) |
| 06:14.32 | Jhiaxuss | what can debian do fedora cant and vice versa |
| 06:15.09 | Jhiaxuss | or are they both pretty much the same |
| 06:15.26 | jpinx | Jhiaxuss: preyy much the same, but debian is a heap easier to maintain |
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| 06:16.00 | napster | lindi-: Are you listening to me? |
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| 06:16.23 | Jhiaxuss | maintain as keep everythign stable and up to date |
| 06:16.41 | jpinx | yes |
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| 06:17.13 | jpinx | Jhiaxuss: and to go from one version to the next with no fuss on the fly |
| 06:18.40 | Bushmills | Jhiaxuss: "debian" or "fedora" do nothing. the programs, coming with them, do |
| 06:18.47 | Jhiaxuss | i think ill go with debian then. Fedora kinda draws you in with its security buti just read the same can be done in debian far as security |
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| 06:19.13 | Jhiaxuss | so which has the better programs ? |
| 06:19.30 | jpinx | Jhiaxuss: debian security is excellent and easy to maintain |
| 06:19.38 | Bushmills | there's an at least 90 % overlap of programs between both |
| 06:20.02 | enigma87 | lol most likely more Bushmills |
| 06:20.04 | enigma87 | ;) |
| 06:20.20 | Bushmills | just being careful with my estimations |
| 06:20.27 | enigma87 | lol |
| 06:20.30 | jpinx | Jhiaxuss: Bushmills is right - and debian packages are a breeze to install and aptitude sorts out all the depends for you - it's hands-free linux :D |
| 06:21.04 | Jhiaxuss | so debian is more stable and better for new guys like myself and fedora uses the latest technology but its unstable? |
| 06:21.25 | Bushmills | depends what you call "stable". but probably, yes |
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| 06:21.38 | jpinx | Jhiaxuss: depends on how "new2 you are :) |
| 06:21.50 | Bushmills | "stable" in the debian sense doesn't mean "doesn't crash" |
| 06:21.55 | Jhiaxuss | stable as in not crashing or having problems with updates |
| 06:21.57 | Bushmills | not that "debian" does ... |
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| 06:22.17 | enigma87 | Jhiaxuss: Debian desktops are tried and true. Fedora puts you on the cutting edge in terms of whats available to install through its package manager |
| 06:22.28 | jpinx | Jhiaxuss: debian stable - currently lenny - is solid as a production platform |
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| 06:22.46 | Bushmills | debian notion of stable is "doesn't change every 2 minutes" |
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| 06:23.08 | jpinx | Jhiaxuss: you can go to the cutting edge in debian and do it like fedora, but you don't have to |
| 06:23.33 | enigma87 | the same could be said about fedora though? |
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| 06:23.35 | jpinx | are we selling debian this morning.....? ;) |
| 06:23.42 | enigma87 | lol |
| 06:24.02 | Jhiaxuss | ahh so the samecuttign edge fedora has can apply to debian |
| 06:24.03 | jpinx | Jhiaxuss: just install it and see for yourself, we'll hold you hand as much as you need |
| 06:24.11 | Jhiaxuss | lol |
| 06:24.13 | napster | I would like to be a debian maintainer. I had some packages of my own, and I'm trying to distribute it. How can I start proceed to become a maintainer? |
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| 06:24.32 | Jhiaxuss | to amny distros |
| 06:24.36 | jpinx | napster: you've been told - debian-mentors |
| 06:24.36 | Jhiaxuss | many |
| 06:24.57 | napster | jpinx: debian-mentors? |
| 06:25.11 | jpinx | Jhiaxuss: yes - and very confusing - but I am no expert and I work on debian happily |
| 06:26.08 | Jhiaxuss | some people say get ubuntu or mint but they are just copies of debian so i figured illget the real deal |
| 06:26.15 | Jhiaxuss | somany linux distros |
| 06:27.12 | enigma87 | if you're new to linux, there's nothing wrong with trying Ubuntu first |
| 06:27.18 | Bushmills | Jhiaxuss: what do you intend to use linux for? |
| 06:27.38 | jpinx | pokes enigma87 with a sharp stick |
| 06:27.49 | enigma87 | ouch |
| 06:27.51 | Jhiaxuss | somehtign to replace windows i want security, i wantto be ableto play games, run vms and program |
| 06:27.57 | enigma87 | i mean, DEBIAN FTW! |
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| 06:28.40 | lindi- | napster: what do you mean by debian maintainer? |
| 06:28.49 | Bushmills | best gaming platform is probably windows |
| 06:29.18 | napster | lindi-: good question! Do a google search! |
| 06:29.21 | jpinx | Jhiaxuss: ubuntu uses later versions of a lot of applications and is a bit more prone to problems, but has a more user-friendly gui frontend |
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| 06:29.42 | jpinx | Oh - didn't see the gaming reference - stayu on windows :) |
| 06:29.48 | enigma87 | lol |
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| 06:30.14 | Jhiaxuss | but with wine you can play games i heard |
| 06:30.46 | jpinx | Jhiaxuss: it's another layer to work through so thingfs are slower, and you'll need heavy duty hardware |
| 06:30.47 | lindi- | napster: that doesn't tell me what you mean by debian maintainer unfortunately. if you mean what I mean then you can't be anonymous sorry |
| 06:30.55 | enigma87 | you can play some games with Wine, I can play a 10 year old game (counter strike) at a steady 100fps ^^ |
| 06:31.23 | Jhiaxuss | im ona quosmio i can handle alot of stuff |
| 06:31.31 | Jhiaxuss | well should be able to lol |
| 06:31.32 | jpinx | overclocks enigma87 |
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| 06:32.16 | jpinx | Jhiaxuss: you can have both - keep your windows and install debian in a separate partition |
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| 06:33.09 | napster | lindi-: Ok, lets stop this, can I PM you? |
| 06:33.18 | lindi- | napster: not sure how that'd help |
| 06:33.21 | lindi- | napster: but sure |
| 06:33.25 | Bushmills | Jhiaxuss: have two machines. one for gaming, one for replacing windows |
| 06:33.44 | Jhiaxuss | thanks im abtuto dual boot my pc |
| 06:33.49 | jpinx | Jhiaxuss: or run a vm inside widows and put debian on that |
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| 06:34.03 | enigma87 | agrees with the vm idea |
| 06:34.35 | Jhiaxuss | just want somethign secure i dont feel safe checking my bank statements online in windows |
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| 06:34.57 | jpinx | Jhiaxuss: that's a browser issue, not a OS issue |
| 06:35.12 | enigma87 | it can be an OS issue if his computer has a keylogger? |
| 06:35.18 | enigma87 | or trojan? |
| 06:35.21 | jpinx | Jhiaxuss: and maybe a flash issue if your bank has a falchy webpage |
| 06:35.44 | jpinx | if it's a keylogger it is not OS dependent |
| 06:35.52 | Jhiaxuss | i heard alot oabotu people gettign there credit card numbers and other info stolen |
| 06:36.09 | Jhiaxuss | in windows and heard linux was more secure |
| 06:36.26 | Jhiaxuss | can se linux be installed in debian |
| 06:36.35 | enigma87 | a keylogger compiled for Windows wouldnt run on Linux or OSX |
| 06:36.56 | jpinx | enigma87: I thought they were universal |
| 06:37.45 | enigma87 | jpinx: hardware keyloggers would be, but malacious software has to be written specifically for the platform |
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| 06:39.01 | jpinx | enigma87: will a windows keylogger work if the person is using linux in a vm hosted by windows? |
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| 06:39.53 | tbsaunde | jpinx: the key event passes through windows to some degree, so it probably depends on how the key looger works, but a kernel space one probably yes |
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| 06:40.26 | enigma87 | jpinx: what tbsaunde says is true, depends how well the programmer knows how to use hooks ;) |
| 06:40.37 | jpinx | worth remembering - it makes linux in a vm only as secure as it's host |
| 06:41.16 | Jhiaxuss | whats a good linux viral wall + virues protection |
| 06:41.18 | tbsaunde | jpinx: also,, if you can root the host, you can probably root the guest somehow |
| 06:41.27 | Jhiaxuss | fedora has selinux is that the best? |
| 06:41.35 | jpinx | are there keyloggers specific for linux then? Would a windows guest in a linux host be immune? |
| 06:41.50 | jpinx | !selinux |
| 06:41.50 | dpkg | Security Enhanced Linux (SELinux) is NSA's port of the FLASK Security Architecture to Linux. Also it can make your system unbootable if you uninstall it. Unofficial FAQ: http://www.crypt.gen.nz/selinux/faq.html . http://wiki.debian.org/SELinux http://selinuxproject.org/ #selinux on irc.freenode.net. See also <tomoyo>. |
| 06:41.54 | tbsaunde | Jhiaxuss: selinux is in about all distros, but its not a firewall |
| 06:41.54 | AimHere | There are almost certainly linux keyloggers |
| 06:42.31 | Jhiaxuss | what exactly is it I have some researching |
| 06:42.57 | enigma87 | yep AimHere, there are |
| 06:43.12 | tbsaunde | jpinx: you could write one for linux same sort of deal, host is insecure then the guest is insecure, but the reverse doesn't hold the guest can be volunerable and the host secure in theory |
| 06:43.14 | enigma87 | I run a keylogger purposely on my machine at work and at home :) |
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| 06:44.20 | jpinx | looks warily at enigma87 |
| 06:44.21 | enigma87 | tbsaunde: there are have been cases where the host has been exploited through a running guest |
| 06:44.51 | tbsaunde | enigma87: yes, if the virtualization is buggy, see "in theory" |
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| 06:45.59 | enigma87 | tbsaunde: yep :) |
| 06:46.45 | Bushmills | Jhiaxuss: pulling the network plug is a good firewall |
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| 06:47.31 | enigma87 | puts a condom on his cat6 and plugs it back in |
| 06:47.35 | enigma87 | there |
| 06:47.43 | Jhiaxuss | lol |
| 06:47.47 | jpinx | pulls Bushmills ethernet plug and pours a large whiskey into the socket |
| 06:48.01 | Jhiaxuss | i wish linux could play games |
| 06:48.02 | Bushmills | and i suppose, running your system in periodically rebuilt virtual machine is a good virus protection |
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| 06:48.06 | Jhiaxuss | if so windows would die |
| 06:48.25 | jpinx | Jhiaxuss: I really think you are being over-cautious |
| 06:48.27 | enigma87 | lol Jhiaxuss: its the only reason i still have my Windows machine |
| 06:48.48 | jpinx | Jhiaxuss: debian works wel - stick it on a separate partiton and come and play :) |
| 06:48.52 | Bushmills | Jhiaxuss: linux *can* run games |
| 06:49.02 | Bushmills | rather well, even |
| 06:49.22 | Bushmills | problem is, that the common commercial games are not ported to linux |
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| 06:49.55 | Jhiaxuss | if they did they would make more $$$ |
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| 06:50.02 | Jhiaxuss | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:50.19 | Jhiaxuss | but with so manylinux distros tll be hard to amke a game for linux i bet |
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| 06:50.30 | Bushmills | they had a bit more sales, but needed a lot more support quality |
| 06:51.05 | OpenTokix | i am happy with very few games on linux. - i do not want the lolling steam crowd on the linux-forums. |
| 06:51.07 | Bushmills | also consider that people who would by a game for windows, while they also have linux, would probably not buy it twice |
| 06:51.36 | enigma87 | Jhiaxuss: Video game companies go where the money is at, and Linux desktop doesn't have the marketshare Windows or Mac OSX have |
| 06:51.40 | OpenTokix | however, this discussion is kinda off topic. |
| 06:51.43 | AimHere | Well if a game is for both Windows and Linux, often the Linux binaries can be downloaded for free and used with the commercial data |
| 06:52.04 | enigma87 | AimHere: Quake3? :) |
| 06:52.12 | AimHere | Yep. Or Prey |
| 06:52.23 | AimHere | Doom3 |
| 06:52.26 | enigma87 | Prey was pretty interesting |
| 06:52.35 | Jhiaxuss | prey a fps? |
| 06:52.38 | enigma87 | yep |
| 06:53.05 | enigma87 | night folks |
| 06:53.19 | Jhiaxuss | gnght |
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| 06:54.53 | Jhiaxuss | is debian considered ahackign distro also |
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| 06:55.49 | Bushmills | i suppose gentoo hackers prefer theirs to be called "hacker distro", usually reasoning that they have all header files available |
| 06:56.16 | Jhiaxuss | i tried a gentoo distro sabayon |
| 06:56.16 | Bushmills | debian is as much a "hacker distro" as much you make it |
| 06:56.18 | Cypris | im looking into installing debian unattended, i need to have a file that contained pressed information.. unfortunatly its manually edited. is there a way to get this file generated by my installation, or is it able to be grabbed during debian 's installation process? |
| 06:56.30 | Jhiaxuss | gettign help there was hell so i want try it again |
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| 06:57.11 | Bushmills | what do you need help when you have the source code?? |
| 06:57.24 | Bushmills | didn't you say "hacker distro"? :P |
| 06:57.30 | joelmichael | i think gentoo is more a 'hacker distro' in that it's intended more for hobbyists |
| 06:58.02 | joelmichael | debian is idealistic, but is also one of the best production server distros |
| 06:58.19 | Jhiaxuss | i see debian is the most used linux distro |
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| 06:58.49 | Cypris | .. |
| 06:59.06 | Cypris | did we just recover from a netsplit? lol |
| 06:59.14 | Jhiaxuss | and most of the good distrosare based on debian |
| 06:59.42 | Jhiaxuss | but what i dont get is why ubuntu and mint are looked at as better than debian when they basically are debian |
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| 07:00.27 | joelmichael | they're better tailored to user experience in the desktop environment |
| 07:00.43 | hanibanaa | hi; I have a Debian lenny server which its /tmp contents does NOT preserve between reboots; At my Fedora Desktop system is not so. Where this controlled? |
| 07:00.44 | joelmichael | home users and work stations are more likely to be ubuntu/mint, servers are more likely to be debian |
| 07:01.18 | Jhiaxuss | ahh |
| 07:01.37 | tbsaunde | hanibanaa: /tmp is what it says temp, it *should* be cleared at reboot, red hat and fedora I gues are funny :p |
| 07:01.38 | Jhiaxuss | and which linux distro is used more by buisnesses |
| 07:01.47 | joelmichael | debian is also more philosophical, very focused on free software |
| 07:02.41 | hanibanaa | tbsaunde: I mentioned; its a Desktop system. not bad idea for a Desktop I think. |
| 07:02.53 | Jhiaxuss | do more buisnesses use debian or fedora and opensuse |
| 07:03.03 | blast_hardcheese | Jhiaxuss: Ubuntu is looked at as better than Debian because Canonical is an actual company. They have the resources to populate their "stable" branch with the very latest packages. That's at least why most of the people I've talked to went with Ubuntu server over plain Debian |
| 07:03.28 | blast_hardcheese | I just run debian testing, I get the same stuff and don't have to worry about Ubuntu coming preconfigured to do something I don't want it to do. |
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| 07:03.47 | blast_hardcheese | The people I talk to don't seem to care though, so screw it. |
| 07:04.05 | Cypris | if u dont mind me asking, Jhiaxuss, why does it matter which businesses use what? the most important thing is what the os will do for you, and what you need it to do rather than popularity. |
| 07:04.09 | tbsaunde | hanibanaa: why would you want temp to err well not be temporary? |
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| 07:04.32 | Jhiaxuss | true |
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| 07:05.10 | Jhiaxuss | i wonder how distrowatch rates the top linux though |
| 07:05.21 | blast_hardcheese | I wish I had more machines to upgrade now that I've set up my apt proxy :( |
| 07:05.24 | joelmichael | popularity matters because of the network effect, project reliability |
| 07:05.32 | hanibanaa | tbsaunde: what? |
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| 07:06.10 | Cypris | i tarted using debian for really no reason at all. i stuck with it cuz its easy for me to to manage. i used to use mandrake and occasionally, but debian was the first linux os i used for a purpose. |
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| 07:06.20 | tbsaunde | hanibanaa: why would you want /tmp to not be cleared on reboot? or do you want the desktop to clear its /tmp on reboot? |
| 07:06.22 | Cypris | i tarted? lol |
| 07:06.28 | joelmichael | debian has a bad history in terms of reasonable release cycles blast_hardcheese. it's better now, imo, but people sitll think of debian stable as 'ancient' |
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| 07:06.46 | joelmichael | but i was able to get a ruby on rails server using perfectly respectable versions running on lenny with only one backport (rubygems) |
| 07:06.51 | blast_hardcheese | hanibanaa: I think the point is that /tmp/ is, on most *nix systems, supposed to be treated as volatile. |
| 07:07.24 | blast_hardcheese | hanibanaa: Relying it for permanent storage is foolish, since even on fedora, /tmp/ will be cleared out eventually. |
| 07:07.27 | Jhiaxuss | i just checked distro watch on whats installed its not old as the reviews say |
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| 07:08.27 | joelmichael | yeah and you have the confidence to run upgrades |
| 07:08.30 | hanibanaa | tbsaunde, blast_hardcheese: I just asked about where this set to be deleted or not. I mean its mechanism. |
| 07:08.34 | joelmichael | which is a pretty big deal in a production server environment |
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| 07:08.58 | joelmichael | if you really need backports on stable you can get them, too |
| 07:09.19 | hanibanaa | tbsaunde, blast_hardcheese: personally I like it to be deleted. |
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| 07:09.43 | hanibanaa | because I do temp jobs at temp places! |
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| 07:10.16 | blast_hardcheese | hanibanaa: Gotcha, my apologies, I didn't read the start of the argument, I just saw someone failing to make a convincing argument as to why /tmp not being temporary was a bad idea ;) |
| 07:10.27 | tbsaunde | hanibanaa: looks like there is an init scriptthat does it |
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| 07:11.40 | hanibanaa | tbsaunde: and I had heard about mount it though tmpfs . |
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| 07:11.57 | tbsaunde | hanibanaa: if you want to clear /tmp putting rm -rf /tmp/ in rc.local is probably the easiest, you could also make /tmp a mount of tmpfs |
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| 07:12.45 | hanibanaa | tbsaunde: rc.local dirty way ;-) |
| 07:12.48 | blast_hardcheese | hanibanaa: /etc/init.d/mountall-bootclean.sh |
| 07:12.57 | blast_hardcheese | that's where /tmp/ is cleaned |
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| 07:13.38 | hanibanaa | thanks blast_hardcheese. |
| 07:13.42 | blast_hardcheese | yep |
| 07:15.00 | blast_hardcheese | looks like that script is loaded from /etc/rcS.d/, S12 on my system |
| 07:15.05 | Jhiaxuss | im about to head out cya guys later |
| 07:15.09 | tbsaunde | hanibanaa: never said it was clean just easy |
| 07:15.18 | Jhiaxuss | thanks for the adice |
| 07:15.38 | blast_hardcheese | What's a cool service someone really swears by on their home network? |
| 07:16.07 | blast_hardcheese | I'd like to set something up, but I can't think of anything I can't live without |
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| 07:17.48 | tbsaunde | blast_hardcheese: what do you mean? just setting up a service for the fun of it? |
| 07:17.51 | Cypris | ok anyone current with preseeding? |
| 07:17.55 | blast_hardcheese | tbsaunde: Yes |
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| 07:18.04 | tbsaunde | blast_hardcheese: ok :-) |
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| 07:18.42 | tbsaunde | blast_hardcheese: share /home over nfs? |
| 07:18.44 | blast_hardcheese | tbsaunde: I set up approx today, got everything switched over and I'm loving it, it's quite a nice service, I added a 160 gig drive to my router and learned how to mount --bind in /etc/fstab |
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| 07:19.25 | blast_hardcheese | tbsaunde: Maybe just figuring out how to make nfs reliable first ;) |
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| 07:19.31 | tbsaunde | blast_hardcheese: what does mount --binding /etc/fstab do? |
| 07:19.36 | Cypris | i might not be getting much help in this channel.. but this is 1000% better than oftc's debian channel. |
| 07:19.59 | blast_hardcheese | tbsaunde: mount --bind mounts one directory to another directory, so instead of symlinking I have an actual hard mount |
| 07:20.07 | jpinx | !preseed |
| 07:20.07 | dpkg | [preseed] Preseeding provides a way to set answers to questions asked during the Debian installation process, to allow for a streamlined or completely automated installation. The <install guide> provides an extensive appendix on preseeding with a full example. See also http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed and http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/394 |
| 07:20.15 | jpinx | Cypris: ↑↑ |
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| 07:21.01 | tbsaunde | blast_hardcheese: oh, you meant mount --bind in /etc/fstab? |
| 07:21.05 | blast_hardcheese | Yes |
| 07:21.06 | jpinx | blast_hardcheese: agreed and you can mutiple-mount very usefully too |
| 07:21.26 | tbsaunde | blast_hardcheese: I thought you were mounting /etc/fstab somewhere else, sorry my bad :( |
| 07:21.30 | blast_hardcheese | man, prickly pear juice is much more palatable after drinking Tylenol "multi symtom cold" stuff. |
| 07:21.35 | blast_hardcheese | tbsaunde: Oh, no. |
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| 07:21.54 | blast_hardcheese | I got all my drives switched over to UUIDs as well, everything seems to be working quite well. |
| 07:21.56 | tbsaunde | blast_hardcheese: yes, mount --bind is useful, never did it in fstab though |
| 07:22.24 | jpinx | puts a shot of tequila in blast_hardcheese 's pricklypear juice |
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| 07:22.56 | blast_hardcheese | tbsaunde: approx doesn't seem to allow me to specify a custom directory for cached packages, so I'm just --binding the directory to a directory in a bigger drive |
| 07:23.52 | tbsaunde | blast_hardcheese: oh, heh |
| 07:24.26 | blast_hardcheese | Actually, I'll learn autofs, I forgot a friend of mine recommended that for NFS stability |
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| 07:27.18 | blast_hardcheese | I'll also come up with a good set of scripts for auto-committing /etc/ to an scm, should be useful |
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| 07:28.48 | tbsaunde | blast_hardcheese: never done it myself, but heard that useful, why autocommit? whynot when you make a change? |
| 07:29.01 | tbsaunde | blast_hardcheese: also etckeeper may be worth a look |
| 07:29.01 | jelly-home | !info etckeeper |
| 07:29.27 | blast_hardcheese | that's exactly what I was looking for :D |
| 07:29.31 | dpkg | etckeeper: (store /etc in git, mercurial, bzr or darcs), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.47 (sid), Packaged size: 31 kB, Installed size: 372 kB |
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| 07:33.13 | passwordoff | Debootstrap error of detecting distrib in installation process |
| 07:34.46 | blast_hardcheese | bleh, frustrating. |
| 07:35.06 | blast_hardcheese | I added python to update-alternatives so I could have python2.6 as my default version, |
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| 07:35.22 | blast_hardcheese | but when I tried to install etckeeper it demanded that /usr/bin/python point to python2.5 |
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| 07:35.50 | tbsaunde | 0/me wonders what it needs python for |
| 07:36.00 | blast_hardcheese | I would assume it's written in python |
| 07:36.43 | tbsaunde | blast_hardcheese: me too, but why bash is like enough, why did they need a scripting language? |
| 07:37.19 | blast_hardcheese | readability, maintainability, familiarity, etc |
| 07:37.27 | tbsaunde | blast_hardcheese: you could just git init /etc and commit whenever you change something, that's how I'd do it |
| 07:37.52 | blast_hardcheese | I'd like something that auto-pushes to a central repo |
| 07:37.52 | tbsaunde | blast_hardcheese: python isn't readable |
| 07:38.23 | blast_hardcheese | I disagree. I was going to counter with bash isn't readable, but it is, it's just unpleasant. |
| 07:38.28 | tbsaunde | blast_hardcheese: cron job? like cd /etc ; git push $remote host |
| 07:38.46 | blast_hardcheese | Yeah, that's what I assume etckeeper does |
| 07:38.49 | tbsaunde | blast_hardcheese: bash isn't great either |
| 07:38.59 | blast_hardcheese | what do you prefer for readability then? |
| 07:39.45 | passwordoff | Debootstrap: Failed to determine the codename for the release. |
| 07:39.48 | tbsaunde | blast_hardcheese: I think the real answer is that you can write decent code in most scripting languages, but few people ever write good code in any language |
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| 07:40.12 | blast_hardcheese | tbsaunde: You used a blanket statement though, "python isn't readable" |
| 07:40.50 | passwordoff | //FIXME |
| 07:41.13 | tbsaunde | blast_hardcheese: yeah, better statement would be the python I have seen has mostly been unreadable, its too functional for my taste, but maybe clean code is possible |
| 07:41.15 | Bushmills | i think it is not as much the language itself, being readable or unreadable, but the coders' efforts towards writing readable code, which determines how readable code is |
| 07:41.43 | tbsaunde | passwordoff: pastebin the error? |
| 07:41.45 | blast_hardcheese | fair enough. |
| 07:42.14 | tbsaunde | passwordoff: I probably won't know, but with out the command and the error I have *no* idea what is happening |
| 07:42.16 | blast_hardcheese | I'd rather write python than what I do for work, Objective-C, and I'd rather Objective-C to any other mainstream variant of C |
| 07:42.17 | passwordoff | tbsaunde: error during the installation process of debian lenny. It couldn't be pasted/ |
| 07:42.57 | passwordoff | or it maybe got from the log? |
| 07:43.12 | tbsaunde | blast_hardcheese: don't know objective c, but right now I prefer c to c#, but then I hate visual studio= |
| 07:43.43 | tbsaunde | passwordoff: so when running the standard installer this happened? not a custom debootstrap? |
| 07:43.45 | blast_hardcheese | I'm sure I'd prefer C to C#, but that's just because I can't imagine actually using Windows. |
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| 07:43.52 | tbsaunde | passwordoff: are you using the stable installer? |
| 07:44.27 | blast_hardcheese | I haven't used Windows for anything other than the very few games I play in over 6 years |
| 07:44.50 | tbsaunde | blast_hardcheese: it has this gui debugger thing its so said, I looked at using mono in cygwin, and I keep the code in git |
| 07:45.07 | tbsaunde | blast_hardcheese: I only use it for work |
| 07:45.09 | passwordoff | tbsaunde: I'm using the generating distro source: http://live-helper.debian.net/ |
| 07:45.39 | tbsaunde | passwordoff: I have no idea then |
| 07:45.49 | tbsaunde | passwordoff: why not use a normal installer? |
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| 07:46.39 | blast_hardcheese | tbsaunde: debian-live solves a different problem than a "normal installer" |
| 07:47.42 | nima | my wireless installed , i can see it with lspci -v command , but in iwconfig not show and dont work what can i do for work currect my wireless? |
| 07:47.47 | tbsaunde | blast_hardcheese: yes, its a live cd, right? I've never wanted a live cd, I just want a decent os installed to use |
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| 07:48.05 | blast_hardcheese | It can also be used for diskless systems, what I use it for |
| 07:48.09 | passwordoff | tbsaunde: Because I want to run debian live and installer on flash. But "normal" distro could be live or installer only. |
| 07:48.23 | tbsaunde | blast_hardcheese: true |
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| 07:48.44 | blast_hardcheese | passwordoff: Is pxe not available? Much easier and more reliable |
| 07:48.53 | passwordoff | what is pxe? |
| 07:49.01 | blast_hardcheese | !netboot |
| 07:49.01 | dpkg | netboot is, like, a Debian installation method involving the use of TFTP and DHCP (or BOOTP, RARP) servers, to provide installation media to clients on a local network. Not recommended for novice users, ask me about <netinst> instead. See also <install guide>, <netboot miniiso>, <installer firmware>, <open firmware>. |
| 07:49.23 | passwordoff | It seems much harder for me. |
| 07:49.42 | blast_hardcheese | passwordoff: I've got debian-lenny netinst netboot image on my router, when I want to install, all I have to do is boot on the network |
| 07:50.09 | nima | my wireless installed , i can see it with lspci -v command , but in iwconfig not show and dont work what can i do for work currect my wireless? |
| 07:50.10 | blast_hardcheese | passwordoff: There's a package called "dnsmasq" that is a TFTP, DHCP, and DNS server all rolled into one, the configuration is very simple and straightforward |
| 07:50.30 | blast_hardcheese | shouldn't take more than 15 minutes to understand and set up |
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| 07:51.17 | nima | blast_hardcheese, u can help me to install my wireless lan? |
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| 07:52.30 | blast_hardcheese | nima: Only if you speak reasonably grammatically correct English :) |
| 07:52.32 | tbsaunde | nima: pastebin output of lspci -nn |
| 07:52.34 | alcohol | mornin' people |
| 07:52.50 | blast_hardcheese | mornin' person |
| 07:52.57 | nima | tbsaunde, yes sir |
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| 07:54.35 | nima | tbsaunde, http://dpaste.com/hold/212193/ |
| 07:54.45 | nima | tbsaunde, here for u sir ;) |
| 07:55.18 | stefan_ai | Does anybody know on how to change default behaviour when building package and when dpkg detects deleted config files? |
| 07:55.58 | nima | tbsaunde, my netbook is lenovo s10-3 |
| 07:56.44 | nima | blast_hardcheese, tnx man my english too bad |
| 07:56.57 | nima | blast_hardcheese, but i can understand what u say |
| 07:57.21 | blast_hardcheese | nima: My only point is that there is no good reason for using netspeak over correct english |
| 07:57.26 | nima | blast_hardcheese, what can i do for my wireless to work curect |
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| 07:57.36 | tbsaunde | !b43 |
| 07:57.36 | dpkg | [b43] the driver for modern Broadcom 802.11b/g PCI/PCI-E wireless LAN chipsets, included in Linux since 2.6.24. Firmware is required, ask me about <b43-fwcutter> to provide. 802.11b-only devices and BCM4306 rev 2 are instead supported by the <b43legacy> driver. BCM4321/4322 (802.11n) and BCM4313 are not supported, ask about <wl>. http://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx #bcm-users on irc.freenode.net. |
| 07:57.46 | tbsaunde | nima: ^^ |
| 07:57.52 | blast_hardcheese | nima: I'm learning languages other than my own, I make spelling mistakes, but I try to use the actual words ("you" instead of "u", etc) |
| 07:57.57 | nima | tbsaunde, yes sir |
| 07:58.22 | nima | tbsaunde, my kernel is 2.6.32 |
| 07:59.28 | tbsaunde | nima: actually that may be out of date let me find the wiki on kernel.org |
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| 08:01.01 | stefan_ai | nobody here who is familiar with building own packages? |
| 08:01.59 | tbsaunde | nima: this may be useful http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/b43#devicefirmware |
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| 08:03.06 | Traveler | hi |
| 08:03.07 | Traveler | I in |
| 08:03.32 | Traveler | I installed debian testing with grub2 on the mrb but I can't see my windows entry in the grub menu |
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| 08:03.44 | Traveler | I can't find menu.lst in /boot/grub either |
| 08:04.22 | tbsaunde | nima: if I were you what I would do is install firmware-b43-lpphy-installer, and see if that works, if not then I'd install ndiswrapper, and go find windows drivers for that card |
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| 08:05.33 | Traveler | how can I add the windows entry to grub2? |
| 08:05.35 | nima | tbsaunde, yes sit tankhs and itry to install it whit your help if i cant i come back to you for help me more ;) |
| 08:05.38 | tbsaunde | Traveler: testing and grub 2 don't use menu.lst, you need to edit /etc/grub.d/something, and add a entry for windows, I don't have windows so I don't know the details |
| 08:05.49 | tbsaunde | nima: I can try :) |
| 08:06.05 | Traveler | something ? |
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| 08:06.43 | tbsaunde | Traveler: there is a bunch of files, I'm not sure which one |
| 08:06.53 | Traveler | ouch |
| 08:07.26 | tbsaunde | Traveler: 40_custom looks like the right one |
| 08:08.41 | Traveler | i'll check |
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| 08:09.22 | Traveler | any idea how to fix the intel and udev issue? |
| 08:09.43 | Traveler | My monitor turns dark right when udev is trying to start |
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| 08:10.55 | tbsaunde | Traveler: no idea |
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| 08:12.02 | tbsaunde | Traveler: I know a kernel hacker who had a problem that sounds similar with i915, and got it to work by passing some obscure arg to modprobe somewhere, but I know nothing about this sort of problem |
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| 08:13.11 | Traveler | It works by passing nomodeset as a kernel parameter |
| 08:13.18 | Traveler | or i915.modeset=0 |
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| 08:13.52 | Traveler | I`m using the 2nd to start debian but I wanted to install arch and i couldn`t |
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| 08:14.44 | tbsaunde | Traveler: ok, never touched arch |
| 08:14.57 | Traveler | it`s nice |
| 08:15.02 | Traveler | anyways |
| 08:15.17 | Traveler | things like these that piss me off |
| 08:16.17 | tbsaunde | Traveler: yeah, would be realy nice if the driver situation became less of a mess |
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| 08:17.29 | stefan_ai | is now anybody here how can help me with debhelber stuff? |
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| 08:23.09 | Argafal | I'm looking for a tool to write zeros or random data onto my harddrive. the harddrive contains broken sectors hence dd fails since it can't cope with write errors. any hint/idea what tool to use for that? |
| 08:23.35 | nima | tbsaunde, install ndiswrapper-? utils,source dkms, common? |
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| 08:24.50 | nima | tbsaunde, install ndiswrapper-? utils,source dkms, common? |
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| 08:29.52 | tbsaunde | nima: utils, the rest will be pulled in as dependancies |
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| 08:30.40 | tbsaunde | Argafal: why do you want to do this? |
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| 08:31.12 | tbsaunde | Argafal: dd_rescue, or I think there is a ignore erro option for dd |
| 08:31.34 | tbsaunde | Argafal: also you could you the destructive write test in badblocks |
| 08:31.51 | ReclusSchimmelbu | Anyone know How I can fix this? http://76.115.157.20/checkfs |
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| 08:34.42 | Argafal | tbsaunde: no, dd_rescue can't do it, can only handle read errors. |
| 08:34.43 | stefan_ai | How can prevent flagging all files in /etc as conffiles by dh_installdeb ? |
| 08:34.48 | Argafal | tbsaunde: yes, badblocks should work. |
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| 08:35.06 | Argafal | tbsaunde: why is quite easy: I'll send the headcrashed drive to the manufacturer. |
| 08:35.21 | karsten | ReclusSchimmelbu: Is udev running? |
| 08:35.25 | ReclusSchimmelbu | yes |
| 08:35.34 | karsten | stefan_ai: Um, why would you want to do that? |
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| 08:36.13 | tbsaunde | Argafal: fair enough, didn't know that about dd_rescue |
| 08:36.58 | stefan_ai | i have a bunch of files in my package which resist due to compatiblity in /etc but they are NO conffiles and now when upgrading this package dpkg tells me that the old ones got deleted and the default action is to keep the files deleted instead of installing the new ones :-( |
| 08:37.11 | karsten | ReclusSchimmelbu: First-order interpretation is that you've got a bad disk. If you've got SMART or a manufacturer's diagnostics, I'd run those. Got backups? |
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| 08:37.47 | karsten | ReclusSchimmelbu: You may have a situation where your drive lettering/ordering / recongnition has changed, if that's the case the endign of the story is somewhat happier. |
| 08:37.49 | stefan_ai | karsten: but i want that files to be installed no matter if they got modified or deleted. |
| 08:37.50 | ReclusSchimmelbu | karsten In kernel: Linux 2.6.26-2-686 i686 the hard disk works fine |
| 08:38.05 | ReclusSchimmelbu | Now on kernel: Linux 2.6.36-5-686 i686 it dont work |
| 08:38.07 | simonrvn | stefan_ai: doesn't work that way |
| 08:38.27 | stanwell | just stick in a 16GB Sandisk thumb drive. lsusb indicates its there but dmesg indicates error as: sd 2:0:0:0: ioctl_internal_command return code = 8070000. how now? |
| 08:38.29 | karsten | ReclusSchimmelbu: what kernel doesn't it work with? |
| 08:38.35 | karsten | ReclusSchimmelbu: Ah. |
| 08:38.36 | ReclusSchimmelbu | Now on kernel: Linux 2.6.36-5-686 i686 |
| 08:38.40 | ReclusSchimmelbu | that one |
| 08:38.43 | stefan_ai | simonrvn: sad - any idea on a workaround? |
| 08:39.09 | simonrvn | stefan_ai: not one that anyone would use in a package, no |
| 08:39.21 | streuner_ | .36? |
| 08:39.27 | miguel000 | my screen turns black after 10 minutes, when im idle |
| 08:39.33 | miguel000 | can I supress this somehow |
| 08:39.42 | simonrvn | kill the screensaver... |
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| 08:39.54 | simonrvn | or turn dpms off |
| 08:39.55 | stefan_ai | simonrvn: so it seems there is no other way than putting these files into another dir than /etc and then copying them to etc in postinst ? |
| 08:40.00 | ReclusSchimmelbu | simonrvn does that work with CLI? |
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| 08:40.05 | karsten | ReclusSchimmelbu: there were some pretty significant changes between 2.6.2x and 2.6.3x kernels, though I'm not sure where exactly or what exactly. Finding out what devices are recognized would probably be a good thing. |
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| 08:40.18 | simonrvn | ReclusSchimmelbu: excuse me? |
| 08:40.20 | karsten | ReclusSchimmelbu: It's past bedtime here, sorry. |
| 08:40.24 | karsten | goes to sleep. |
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| 08:40.40 | simonrvn | karsten: g'night buddy |
| 08:40.52 | ReclusSchimmelbu | simonrvn on screen going blank |
| 08:40.58 | ReclusSchimmelbu | np karsten |
| 08:41.02 | ReclusSchimmelbu | I might just reinstall |
| 08:41.09 | ReclusSchimmelbu | Ill rsync with the old kernel |
| 08:41.47 | ReclusSchimmelbu | sivel does killing screensaver work for the screen going black in CLI? |
| 08:42.26 | simonrvn | no |
| 08:42.47 | simonrvn | try harder on your tab completion ;) |
| 08:42.51 | ReclusSchimmelbu | simonrvn know of a way? in CLI to stop blanking to black? |
| 08:43.00 | ReclusSchimmelbu | simonrvn sorry.. |
| 08:43.02 | simonrvn | turn dpms off |
| 08:43.08 | simonrvn | it's ok =) |
| 08:43.20 | ReclusSchimmelbu | /etc/init.d/dpms? |
| 08:43.28 | simonrvn | no |
| 08:43.33 | simonrvn | sec |
| 08:43.34 | ReclusSchimmelbu | ohh.. |
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| 08:44.50 | seisatsu | There is a law in the works that will give Obama the power to shut down the ENTIRE internet for up to 4 months. |
| 08:45.20 | ReclusSchimmelbu | O.o |
| 08:45.25 | ReclusSchimmelbu | BS |
| 08:45.31 | simonrvn | seisatsu: #debian-offtopic |
| 08:45.44 | jpinx | seisatsu: take it to #debian-offtopic |
| 08:45.55 | simonrvn | ReclusSchimmelbu: not BS. google "internet kill switch" |
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| 08:49.08 | nima | tbsaunde, i cant install it |
| 08:49.29 | nima | tbsaunde, i have a windows driver |
| 08:49.41 | nima | tbsaunde, what can id o with this driver? |
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| 08:52.56 | tbsaunde | nima: you have the .INF file and the associated .sys and some other files ? |
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| 08:53.48 | simonrvn | ReclusSchimmelbu: as for console dpms, there's probably a setterm or other thing to do it, i don't know. |
| 08:54.18 | nima | tbsaunde, yes |
| 08:54.34 | nima | tbsaunde, can u help me install it? |
| 08:54.40 | tbsaunde | nima: then ndiswrapper -i /path/to/some/file.INF |
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| 08:55.11 | tbsaunde | nima: then ndiswrapper -ma is what you want I believe |
| 08:55.31 | tbsaunde | nima: but check the man page I might be wrong |
| 08:56.14 | nima | tbsaunde, ok i try to install wiyh your command sir |
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| 08:57.35 | antgel | i'm sick of this issue - perhaps someone can help... |
| 08:57.39 | seisatsu | Perhaps someone can. |
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| 08:58.40 | stanwell | just stick in a 16GB Sandisk thumb drive. lsusb indicates its there but dmesg indicates error as: sd 2:0:0:0: ioctl_internal_command return code = 8070000. how now? |
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| 08:59.57 | Bushmills | stanwell: what file system? |
| 09:01.00 | antgel | basically sometimes when i resume from hibernate, my laptop screen is blank. if i plug in an external monitor, i can get a display on that. if i try dual-head with xrandr, i only get it on the external screen. finally, switching to another X session gets the screen working. but i don't want to lose this session. this is an intermittent issue |
| 09:01.11 | antgel | clearly the OS thinks the display is active but it's not |
| 09:01.20 | antgel | appreciate some assistance debugging this |
| 09:01.50 | Bushmills | antgel: does switching to console, and back to X help? |
| 09:02.29 | antgel | Bushmills: interesting question. the consoles are *also* blank. only my other X session on ctrl-alt-f7 shows anything on the screen |
| 09:03.10 | antgel | Bushmills: maybe this is something to do with the framebuffer? |
| 09:03.30 | Bushmills | so you switch X session, and the other session shows, and when you switch back, your screen is dark again? |
| 09:03.43 | seisatsu | antgel |
| 09:04.04 | antgel | seisatsu: yes |
| 09:04.04 | seisatsu | hibernation on laptops is one of the biggest headaches of using linux |
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| 09:04.12 | seisatsu | because it never seems to work. |
| 09:04.19 | stanwell | Bushmills: good question. i just bought it from a store. i guess it would be an MS format. how to change that? |
| 09:04.27 | antgel | seisatsu: that's not helpful. it worked for years |
| 09:04.27 | seisatsu | It's hard to get just right. |
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| 09:05.10 | Bushmills | stanwell: mkfs <tab> <tab> |
| 09:05.22 | antgel | Bushmills: if i go to the F7 session, both heads show a display. if i go to my normal F9 session, only the external monitor shows a display |
| 09:06.06 | antgel | very very annoying |
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| 09:06.25 | Bushmills | antgel: and after hibernating when F7 session was showing? |
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| 09:06.58 | antgel | Bushmills: no, when the F9 was. i never use the F7 session, it's just there "in case" i need it |
| 09:07.03 | stanwell | Bushmills: that command give mkfs.* where * ranges from ext2 to vfat. |
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| 09:07.15 | Bushmills | stanwell: pick one of those |
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| 09:07.51 | antgel | Bushmills: i raised http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=584100 but tim is utterly uninterested in debugging pm-utils issues :S |
| 09:08.34 | stanwell | if i want ext2, the command would be mkfs mkfs.ext2? what about the device? |
| 09:08.34 | Bushmills | many of those issues are system-specific. maybe you need to donate your computer |
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| 09:09.20 | antgel | Bushmills: it worked under lenny, but with squeeze it fails. i just need somebody who knows to tell me where to debug, this is open-source after all :) |
| 09:09.26 | Bushmills | stanwell: apply to the device of which you wish to put your new file system on |
| 09:09.44 | Bushmills | "where" - ah. source code :D |
| 09:09.56 | Bushmills | it is open source, after all :) |
| 09:10.28 | Bushmills | i suspect the video driver |
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| 09:10.35 | antgel | very good. i was hoping that somebody here would have specific knowledge of the subsystem in question |
| 09:10.54 | stanwell | Bushmills: i think my thumb drive is not being recognised as a device yet. |
| 09:11.12 | Bushmills | stanwell: fdisk -l |
| 09:11.50 | Bushmills | stanwell: also check out the disktype too |
| 09:11.51 | Bushmills | l |
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| 09:13.39 | rtra | my X resolution is f* up and ctr-alt-+ doesn't work. Is there a way of resetting it by a command line? |
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| 09:14.04 | Bushmills | rtra: xrandr |
| 09:14.18 | rtra | Bushmills: thanks! |
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| 09:14.36 | stanwell | Bushmills: ah ha, the 'fdisk -l' shows the thumbdrive as /dev/sdb1. So 'mkfd mkfs.ext2 /dev/sdb1' will be correct? |
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| 09:14.55 | stanwell | I mean mkfs, not mkfd |
| 09:14.57 | flourish | hi, question about .bash_profile. I define umask in .bash_profile, it works just in tty1-6. That's when i login from gdm, it doesn't work. any idea? |
| 09:15.01 | Bushmills | stanwell: looks right. make sure it is the correct device |
| 09:15.13 | stanwell | Bushmills: ok, thks. |
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| 09:15.33 | flourish | well, i know i can do it in /etc/profile, but i want per-user and not just in terminal |
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| 09:18.31 | flourish | anyone can help me? |
| 09:18.34 | WormFood | what additional packages to I need to install to make http://java.freenode.net/ work? I thought I had java installed, but that page tells me I need to install it. |
| 09:18.35 | Bushmills | flourish: look at output of ps auxf, what process is started from display manager |
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| 09:18.53 | Bushmills | often, window manager or desktop environment session manager script |
| 09:19.45 | flourish | Bushmills: root 1375 0.0 0.0 137908 980 ? Ss 08:34 0:00 /usr/sbin/gdm |
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| 09:20.16 | Bushmills | started *from* that |
| 09:20.25 | Bushmills | or, "by that" |
| 09:20.46 | flourish | root 1384 0.0 0.2 152588 3276 ? S 08:34 0:00 \_ /usr/sbin/gdm |
| 09:20.51 | flourish | root 9701 1.6 3.4 121516 42212 tty8 Ss+ 17:11 0:09 \_ /usr/bin/X :0 -audit 0 -auth /var/lib/gdm/:0.Xauth -nolisten tcp vt8 |
| 09:21.10 | stanwell | Bushmills: got this msg: mkfs.ext2: /lib/libblkid.so.1: version `BLKID_2.17' not found (required by mkfs.ext2): when I try to run mkfs. |
| 09:21.15 | Bushmills | running under user ownership ... |
| 09:22.15 | Bushmills | stanwell: what version of debian is that? |
| 09:22.15 | flourish | 1000 9727 0.0 0.6 170628 7992 ? Ssl 17:11 0:00 \_ gnome-session |
| 09:22.15 | flourish | i think you mean this |
| 09:22.15 | flourish | wait a minute |
| 09:22.15 | stanwell | Bushmills: squeeze. |
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| 09:22.38 | antgel | flourish: you want .gnomerc |
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| 09:23.19 | flourish | antgel: ?? |
| 09:23.19 | wathek | hello all |
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| 09:23.38 | antgel | flourish: you can set umask in .gnomerc to do what you want |
| 09:23.59 | wathek | I've installed the unrar-free package but I couldn't extract all the rar packages however under windows win winrar it works well |
| 09:24.25 | WormFood | wathek, then get rar from rarsoft.com |
| 09:24.31 | wathek | ok |
| 09:24.44 | wathek | thank you so much WormFood |
| 09:24.45 | Bushmills | install libblkid1 - no idea why that's missing though. e2fsprogs has a dependency on that |
| 09:24.51 | flourish | Bushmills: http://pastebin.com/XFFHmDnb |
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| 09:25.19 | wathek | WormFood, trial version !! |
| 09:25.23 | flourish | antgel: thanks. but i want to know why .bash_profile doesn't work. |
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| 09:25.40 | flourish | something must be wrong |
| 09:25.45 | antgel | flourish: does it matter? it's been like that for years. gdm doesn't seem to use it |
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| 09:25.51 | antgel | flourish: IME |
| 09:25.59 | WormFood | wathek, it works for me |
| 09:26.06 | WormFood | wathek, did you even try it? |
| 09:26.08 | flourish | antgel: IME? |
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| 09:26.23 | wathek | WormFood, nope but it's a trial version is there any limitation ? |
| 09:26.29 | antgel | flourish: FGI |
| 09:26.45 | WormFood | wathek, and what exactly does "trial" mean"? |
| 09:27.06 | flourish | antgel: sorry, but what does FGI mean? |
| 09:27.09 | wathek | WormFood, trial means a test version :p |
| 09:27.19 | WormFood | no wathek, that is "beta" |
| 09:27.23 | Bushmills | flourish: well, should be evident by now. gnome-session is your top level process for all X user stuff. so you want your user environment be set up by gnome-session |
| 09:27.34 | antgel | !fgi |
| 09:27.35 | dpkg | [fgi] http://www.fuckinggoogleit.com/ |
| 09:27.47 | wathek | WormFood, ... a version with some limits |
| 09:27.50 | Bushmills | ("for all" who run gnome, that is) |
| 09:27.58 | WormFood | wathek, and what exactly are the limits? |
| 09:28.20 | henry-nicolas | Hello everybody, I got a problem with a ext3 partition of 2.2To on a file server. At reboot the fsck died with err code = 9 and I got a shell. Then I rerun fsck but it takes a while and says almost nothing (see pastebin : http://pastebin.org/363110) do you think it's normal ? |
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| 09:28.26 | wathek | WormFood, that depends on the developer it could be time limit, functionnalities limits or anyother thing |
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| 09:28.55 | WormFood | the only limit I'm aware of with rar is not being able to create a specific type of archive...I forget |
| 09:29.21 | WormFood | wathek, which is why I asked if you even tried it.....try first, then complain later |
| 09:29.24 | Bushmills | henry-nicolas: is normal, especially when turning off system without properly shutting down |
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| 09:29.44 | Bushmills | and, it saying "almost nothing" is more than you do :) |
| 09:30.00 | flourish | Bushmills: what is the default process that in debain do the stuff |
| 09:30.00 | wathek | WormFood, ok it seems to work :p |
| 09:30.04 | wathek | thank you WormFood |
| 09:30.18 | Bushmills | flourish: there is none. user chooses what he runs |
| 09:30.41 | WormFood | yeah wathek, there is some limitation, but I seriously doubt you'd ever run into it. |
| 09:30.44 | Bushmills | most "default" is probably, a shell |
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| 09:31.01 | Bushmills | a shell users have even without X installed |
| 09:31.01 | WormFood | and if it had a time limit, then it could be reset (and it does not appear to have a time limit) |
| 09:31.03 | wonderwal | does debian lenny installer support xfs? |
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| 09:32.37 | henry-nicolas | Bushmills: yeah but it went fine finally, the check finished, I was a bit stressed due to the long duration but finally it's ok. The server did effectively got a cold start because the upgrade to the latest debian stable release went bad, while unpacking the new kernel, I got a kernel bug and my NFS server crashed |
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| 09:33.49 | Bushmills | henry-nicolas: then be happy that the system does such a thorough checking of your files before letting you on again |
| 09:34.57 | henry-nicolas | Bushmills: yeah that's sure :) |
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| 09:35.12 | Bushmills | undetected, and later propagating file system errors tend to be worse than having to wait once every so often for a few minutes |
| 09:35.15 | WormFood | what additional packages to I need to install to make http://java.freenode.net/ work? I thought I had java installed, but that page tells me I need to install it. |
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| 09:35.29 | scientes | why not ln /usr / |
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| 09:35.45 | scientes | reading the LFH it seems that /usr is obsolete |
| 09:35.58 | scientes | its not like a system can boot these days without /usr |
| 09:36.02 | flourish | Bushmills: :-( not quite understand. I just know that when people login, /etc/profile and .profile / .bash_profile will be initialized. |
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| 09:36.13 | scientes | ubuntu even needs python in early boot |
| 09:36.27 | antgel | flourish: why don't you just set the umask in .gnomerc and be done with it? |
| 09:36.36 | Bushmills | flourish: bash init files only when bash is actually started |
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| 09:36.51 | henry-nicolas | Bushmills: actually I wasn't complaining about the fact fsck is checking that everything is ok, I'm very glad of that :) I was just wanting to seek some experience about how many time does an fsck on a 2Tb partition should take. Sorry for the misunderstanding and thanks for your reply |
| 09:37.01 | Bushmills | but when user starts into window manager, where is bash then? |
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| 09:42.19 | stanwell | Bushmills: e2fsprogs was missing, after installing it, mkfs has created a fs of my choice, thks again. |
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| 09:48.05 | Bushmills | henry-nicolas: ext3 instead of ext2 can shorten the checking time after unclean restart considerably |
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| 09:53.26 | rtra | how come aptitude reports 940 installed packages on my system, and dpkg -l | wc -l gives me 1213 |
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| 09:54.45 | Name141 | after the install, I need to add " deb http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian lenny main contrib " , to the sources.list ? |
| 09:55.32 | flourish | Bushmills: I think i got it;-) i login in tty and execute startx -- :2 and then find the top-level of this login is /bash/login. Is it what you mean? |
| 09:55.45 | Name141 | or rather, " deb ftp.us.debian.org/debian/lenny main contrib " ? |
| 09:56.01 | Bushmills | flourish: in that case, startx is executed from your shell, bash most likely. |
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| 09:57.26 | Bushmills | of course you could also start gnome / gnome-session from bash. or from your user specific bash init files even. |
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| 09:58.04 | flourish | Bushmills: stupid question comes again:-( As i remember that when finishing the installation of a new system, if i login directly from GUI, the .bash_profile is read. Well, If i want my system to do like this, how can i do? |
| 09:59.19 | Bushmills | when you're in GUI, you are supposedly logged in already |
| 09:59.35 | Bushmills | where would you log in and into when you are logged in already? |
| 10:00.36 | flourish | Bushmills: sorry, i mean when you are trying to login from the usplash screen |
| 10:01.08 | Bushmills | i don't know about usplash |
| 10:02.43 | flourish | Bushmills: hum, if your system has a gui, when you login, you will see a screen ask for username/passwd, i mean this screen |
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| 10:04.24 | Bushmills | shell user limits are only effective when where is a shell which respects them |
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| 10:08.07 | sentor | hi |
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| 10:10.25 | Name141 | http://paste.debian.net/78960/ |
| 10:10.34 | Name141 | is that all I need? |
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| 10:16.12 | hendry | when I scp to a Debian box, my permissions seem to restrictive for the shared machine I use for working with my collegues. I want files I scp up to be world readable. Where are those sorts of permissions set? |
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| 10:16.19 | flourish | Bushmills: thanks. i know that i knew little about linux again:-( |
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| 10:17.52 | nima | tbsaunde, your command is not work "ndiswrapper" why? |
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| 10:28.06 | abrotman | helpme: so what's the issue? |
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| 10:30.07 | nima | tbsaunde, your command is not work "ndiswrapper" why? |
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| 10:52.58 | wonderwal | does debian lenny installer support xfs? |
| 10:53.18 | abrotman | i believe so |
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| 10:55.26 | simplechat | Hey, is there any command line tool that can take a large file and retain only the first N bytes of it? |
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| 10:55.59 | Riviera | simplechat: head |
| 10:56.36 | simplechat | Riviera, this is for a xen disk image |
| 10:56.48 | simplechat | i want to shrink it from 10 gigs to 9 gigs |
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| 10:56.54 | simplechat | (only a gig or so is in use) |
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| 10:57.18 | abrotman | simplechat: split ? |
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| 10:57.25 | abrotman | kind of |
| 10:57.30 | Riviera | simplechat: And what does that mean? That head is the wrong tool? |
| 10:57.33 | simplechat | would that work on massive binary files? |
| 10:57.46 | abrotman | yes, i've used it on large files, it'll just take awhile |
| 10:57.47 | simplechat | Riviera, head looks for newlines |
| 10:57.52 | Riviera | simplechat: is that so. |
| 10:57.53 | Arrowmaster | simplechat: truncate |
| 10:57.59 | Riviera | simplechat: man head, look for the -c option. |
| 10:58.35 | Arrowmaster | correct tool is truncate |
| 10:58.43 | aguitel | i am in squeeze and i found this error: in debian-software-center appears some item twice ,anyone know this? |
| 10:58.44 | simplechat | -bash: truncate: command not found |
| 10:58.54 | Riviera | simplechat: you can also use dd. |
| 10:58.56 | simplechat | aguitel, file a bug report |
| 10:59.04 | simplechat | Riviera, dd will overwrite |
| 10:59.06 | simplechat | i want to keep the data |
| 10:59.07 | Riviera | :D |
| 10:59.09 | Riviera | nevermind |
| 10:59.13 | Arrowmaster | how the hell do you not have truncate, its part of coreutils |
| 10:59.15 | Riviera | Thanks for wasting my time. :) |
| 10:59.48 | abrotman | Arrowmaster: not running debian? |
| 10:59.52 | abrotman | simplechat: is this Debian or something else? |
| 11:00.03 | simplechat | the server is going to be debian |
| 11:00.08 | simplechat | but its currently a retarded version of centos |
| 11:00.08 | abrotman | what is it now? |
| 11:00.14 | simplechat | not that there is a non-retarded version of centos |
| 11:00.24 | abrotman | well, try split then .. have fun, or ask #centos what tools they have |
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| 11:11.03 | Traveler4 | If I want to create an encrypted partition how much space should I give the /boot ? |
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| 11:11.40 | abrotman | depends how many kernels you plan to keep and how muhc space the drive has |
| 11:12.11 | Traveler4 | Currently I'm dual booting with 7. I have a 100 gb partition for deb |
| 11:12.24 | Traveler4 | only 1 kernel |
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| 11:12.32 | abrotman | you'll have more than one |
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| 11:12.51 | abrotman | Traveler4: at least 100MB .. possibly more |
| 11:13.09 | Traveler4 | ok |
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| 11:21.01 | idebug__ | Is this perhaps a bug? |
| 11:21.45 | cafaro | Hi, I installed Debian on 2 500GB hdds (RAID1), with just one partition (/), and a /swap partition (2GB) on a separate disk, but GRUB doesn't start, after rebooting my PC after the installation, what is wrong with this setup, and how can I resolve this? |
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| 11:28.04 | xperia2 | hello to all. i am planning to start a internet caffe based on debian linux. my question is what is best hardware solution for such a thinclient server architecture and works best with debian a the moment ? |
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| 11:28.55 | xperia2 | does also clients exist where multiple users can work at only one such client ? exist somebody here with such a experience ? |
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| 11:30.28 | petemc | xperia2: you can get fully functional 'nettop' computers that negate the need for thin client type stuff, also internet cafes are almost guaranteed to lose money... |
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| 11:31.27 | SPF | petemc: except internet cafes in China :) |
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| 11:33.30 | xperia2 | petemc: thank you a lot for your tip. will just lookup for this "ntop" stuff. well this internet caffe i want to open in a development country and from my understanding the people in this country have at least interesst becouse of the price and internet problem |
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| 11:38.04 | xperia2 | petemc: exist also some cheap pxe boot cards with monitor and mouse interface. need some cheap solution as i am planning to do this maybe nation wide |
| 11:38.39 | petemc | xperia2: perhaps look at 'ltsp' , the linux terminal server project |
| 11:39.01 | xperia2 | petemc: thank you alot ! |
| 11:39.05 | petemc | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/HowTo/LtspDisklessWorkstation |
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| 11:45.07 | beli | hi, i am not able to update debian etch anymore....i always get error: Failed to open file |
| 11:45.51 | abrotman | beli: you should upgrade to lenny |
| 11:45.56 | abrotman | !tell beli about ado |
| 11:45.57 | Kamping_Kaiser | beli: look at teh announcement - its removed from mirrors |
| 11:45.59 | abrotman | !tell beli about etch->lenny |
| 11:46.27 | beli | no security updates anymore for etch? |
| 11:46.39 | idebug__ | beli : yes, repo not available anymore. upgrade to lenny. it's pretty straight forward |
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| 11:46.48 | idebug__ | beli : no i think security is still ok, just not the rest |
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| 11:47.26 | beli | upgrading often b0rks systems...i just do not need it to be with newest packages....just running fine....security updates are all i need on this box. i am using lenny on other boxes |
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| 11:48.14 | idebug__ | beli : well, try removing all the other repos except security, do aptitude update and then try that out |
| 11:48.25 | beli | ok thanks for your information |
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| 11:48.52 | idebug__ | beli : fyi, i upgraded from etch to lenny on 5 different boxes with different configurations and never had a problem |
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| 11:49.39 | beli | idebug__: doesn't tell anything...you configure the boxes your way.....i MAY do it different :) |
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| 11:50.06 | idebug__ | beli : i wasn't giving a guarantee, just an opinion based on experience |
| 11:50.44 | beli | idebug__: thats it :) and its running fine, so why should i upgrade? ;) no reason, but security |
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| 11:51.51 | idebug__ | beli : sure. but it will get annoying when you just want to istall that one little package... hehe, thats why i had to do it |
| 11:52.05 | beli | idebug__: i will do a full backup of that box these days and try to distupgrade then. |
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| 11:52.15 | idebug__ | :) |
| 11:52.26 | abrotman | beli: etch doesn't have security updates anymore |
| 11:52.44 | abrotman | beli: and it hasn't for four months, and now has known security issues |
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| 11:56.52 | DionysOs | HI EVERYBODY |
| 11:56.58 | idebug__ | hi |
| 11:57.03 | DionysOs | I'M FRENCH |
| 11:57.10 | DionysOs | I DON T SPEAK ENGLISH !!! |
| 11:57.15 | DionysOs | WHO SPEAK FRENCH .??? |
| 11:57.18 | abrotman | !fr |
| 11:57.18 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net. |
| 11:57.27 | DionysOs | THANKS |
| 11:57.33 | DionysOs | YOU ARE A BEST |
| 11:57.39 | abrotman | bye |
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| 11:59.00 | epsilon | lol |
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| 12:00.25 | wonderwal | does debian lenny installer support xfs? |
| 12:01.07 | abrotman | i said "i think so" quite some time ago |
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| 12:06.03 | cafaro | Hi, I installed Debian on 2 500GB hdds (RAID1), with just one partition (/), and a /swap partition (2GB) on a separate disk, but GRUB doesn't start, after rebooting my PC after the installation, what is wrong with this setup, and how can I resolve this? |
| 12:06.44 | Bushmills | hehe.. "it didn't start - what is wrong" ... great :D |
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| 12:07.41 | Bushmills | passed cafaro the prize for most detailed problem description today |
| 12:07.47 | Bushmills | passes, even |
| 12:08.03 | cafaro | I was asking about my partition setup |
| 12:08.18 | frostschutz | cafaro: from your description, there is nothing wrong with it. I use raid 1 and boot it with grub. |
| 12:08.36 | cafaro | I was asking if it _would_ boot with grub |
| 12:08.40 | cafaro | frostschutz: thanks |
| 12:08.43 | Bushmills | a seperate boot partition, with initrd image, is often helpful, |
| 12:10.13 | frostschutz | it depends what kind of raid it is and how its setup. I'm using mdadm with superblock 0.9 so grub can see a single disks partition, as if it wasn't raid. |
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| 12:11.44 | cafaro | I used the default RAID settings in the Lenny installer |
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| 12:12.02 | phuzion | Does anyone know if there is a .deb of apache2 2.0.63 available? Or somewhere in the repositories? |
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| 12:14.34 | cerpintaxt | in which package is the program ar? |
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| 12:16.00 | frostschutz | according to packages.debian.org in binutils |
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| 12:16.31 | cerpintaxt | hm, it is not installed on my system somehow |
| 12:16.33 | SlashLife | Morning. :) |
| 12:16.40 | abrotman | judd: versions apache2.2-common |
| 12:16.41 | judd | apache2.2-common -- etch: 2.2.3-4+etch11; etch-security: 2.2.3-4+etch11; lenny-security: 2.2.9-10+lenny7; lenny: 2.2.9-10+lenny8; sid: 2.2.15-5; squeeze: 2.2.15-5 |
| 12:16.51 | SlashLife | How would I go for manually installing downloaded .deb packages? |
| 12:16.56 | abrotman | wget |
| 12:17.09 | SlashLife | Installing, not downoading. :P |
| 12:17.15 | SlashLife | Already got them. |
| 12:17.17 | cerpintaxt | SlashLife: dpkg |
| 12:17.21 | SlashLife | Thanks. |
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| 12:19.53 | wonderwal | abrotman: what makes you think so |
| 12:20.05 | abrotman | it's been around for awhile |
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| 12:25.03 | nettezzaumana | hi there .. would anyone guide me with installing debian as paravirtualized guest on Xen .. sorry, i know from production just only redhat, SLES and CentOS .. |
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| 12:26.09 | nettezzaumana | generic steps for these are just run a installation kernel-xen/initrd-xen with kernel parameter "install=http//$local_install_server" |
| 12:26.24 | nettezzaumana | but this doesn't work with debian |
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| 12:41.53 | cobra-the-joker | hey guys .... can i install debian on my computer using debian lxde liveCD |
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| 12:47.03 | Bushmills | cobra-the-joker: it is possible. whether you can is a different question |
| 12:47.32 | Bushmills | i'd check out debootstrap |
| 12:47.54 | cobra-the-joker | Bushmills , there is no installation program in the live CD ? |
| 12:48.29 | Bushmills | essentally, mount hard disk, debootstrap am installation to it, mount dev and proc and chroot to it, install kernel, make bootable |
| 12:49.19 | Bushmills | mounting and chrooting not needed, but if you don't you need more command line options for installing kernel and boot loader |
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| 13:07.54 | nettezzaumana | ok. what should i pass to installer kernel to use console rather then graphic? |
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| 13:09.57 | cobra-the-joker_ | nettezzaumana , choose single user mode from grub |
| 13:10.31 | nettezzaumana | cobra-the-joker_: don't have any grub .. i'm hacking it out by booting directly installation kernel and initrd |
| 13:11.12 | cobra-the-joker_ | nettezzaumana , you should enter runlevel 5 ..and it will be fine |
| 13:11.22 | cobra-the-joker_ | add 5 to the end of the kernal line |
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| 13:13.50 | nettezzaumana | cobra-the-joker_: well, once more. i need additional kernel parameter known by debian installation kernel/initrd which forces that installer application will run in console mode even if a framebufer or whatever else is available |
| 13:14.22 | cobra-the-joker_ | :D ... ok |
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| 13:19.06 | wohnout | hello can someone help me with tomcat. I have installed tomcat5.5 from apt but I have problem with restarting (it takes lot of time) |
| 13:19.30 | bzrk | wohnout: restarting tomcat always takes a lot of time |
| 13:19.39 | bzrk | thats normal |
| 13:19.45 | wohnout | ah ok. |
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| 13:28.09 | dentifrice | hey, what's the difference between linux-image-2.6.32-5-686 and linux-image-2.6.32-trunk-686 |
| 13:28.13 | dentifrice | the descriptions are the same |
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| 13:30.09 | mguy | dentifrice: INstall and use the non-trunk version |
| 13:30.35 | dentifrice | mguy: but what is the trunk version? experimental? |
| 13:30.40 | jordanm | !tunks |
| 13:30.43 | jordanm | !trunk |
| 13:30.43 | dpkg | [trunk] a term from version control systems such as <cvs>, <svn> and <git>. The "trunk" can often be thought of as a developer's playground, the stability (or otherwise) of the code varies from project to project. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trunk_(software) . Debian 2.6.32-trunk-* kernel image/headers packages are obsolete and were removed from the archive ; /msg judd kernel --release squeeze ; see Debian bug #568160 and <kernel abi>. |
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| 13:38.40 | i_am_deviant | well .. so once more .. howto force disable a framebuffer device on kernel line for installation kernel/initrd ? |
| 13:39.40 | petemc | pass nofb as an argument to the kernel command line? |
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| 13:40.04 | jordanm | vga=nofb |
| 13:40.18 | i_am_deviant | excellent .. thanks |
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| 13:42.20 | Revo | #cnbu |
| 13:43.18 | i_am_deviant | petemc & jordanm .. both "nofb" and "vga=nofb" just doesn't work |
| 13:43.32 | deadchicken | My goal is to install Debian Lenny on the Dell Inspiron 1764. When using encrypted LVM volumes and default settings for everything else, an error message is being generated stating that "Your system had a kernel failure. There is diagnostic information available for this failure..." How do I access this information? |
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| 13:47.43 | jordanm | i_am_deviant: framebuffer is still starting? perhaps you need to blacklist noveau if you are a testing/unstable nvidia user |
| 13:47.55 | i_am_deviant | well .. nothing works for debian .. i'm tending to insults :D .. yeah, it's like in late 90's .. |
| 13:48.17 | i_am_deviant | jordanm: no, i'm just attempting to install debian as paravirtualized DomU |
| 13:48.49 | i_am_deviant | everything is fine except that framebuffer device starts upon loading installation kernel |
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| 13:49.18 | jordanm | i_am_deviant: you mean still during the debian-installer proccess? |
| 13:49.24 | i_am_deviant | and i just need to say to kernel by using his parameter: $dont_start_bloody_framebuffer |
| 13:49.39 | i_am_deviant | jj |
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| 13:49.50 | jordanm | why does that cause issues? |
| 13:50.20 | i_am_deviant | jordanm: it works bit different .. kernel loads up his modules and if /dev/fb responsible device is up, installer uses a graphic installation mode |
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| 13:51.38 | i_am_deviant | jordanm: because graphic mode sucks for me .. it badly refreshes a screen |
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| 13:51.56 | revolve | is there any way I can exempt packages from being upgraded? |
| 13:52.19 | jordanm | i_am_deviant: somethign is choosing your boot args for you then, as the graphical installer requires different boot arguements |
| 13:52.31 | revolve | I've rolled my own kernel and apt won't install anything before upgrading udev, which wont work with my kernel. |
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| 13:52.43 | revolve | is there anyway to exempt udev from ever being upgraded? |
| 13:53.05 | jordanm | i_am_deviant: text load install.arch/initrd.gz and graphics boots with install.arch/gtk/initrd.gz |
| 13:53.15 | revolve | /etc/apt/preferences.d is aparrently outdated |
| 13:53.31 | jordanm | !tell revolve about udev squeeze |
| 13:53.34 | i_am_deviant | jordanm: ok, gonna to check that .. thanks for pointing me |
| 13:53.39 | jordanm | !tell revolve about hold |
| 13:53.40 | revolve | and removing /var/apt/cache/udev*.deb doesn't change anything |
| 13:53.46 | revolve | thanks |
| 13:53.50 | mguy | revolve: What does your uname -a say right now? |
| 13:53.52 | jordanm | revolve: I would recommend upgrading rather than running frakendebian |
| 13:54.06 | jmd | Something is loading the nvidiafb module for me at boot time. How can I find out what's doing it, and turn it off? |
| 13:54.24 | revolve | Linux exocet 2.6.29-achromatic #1 SMP PREEMPT Sat Jun 27 22:50:22 BST 2009 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 13:54.30 | jordanm | jmd: vga=nofb or you can blacklist the module |
| 13:54.39 | mguy | revolve: Run a newer kernel ;) |
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| 13:54.56 | jmd | jordanm, I tried the first solution - it didn't have any effect. |
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| 13:55.05 | mooglenorph | Hi. I get a 404 error for cdimage.debian.org... I'm trying to download the lenny netinstall |
| 13:55.13 | jmd | How can I "blacklist" the module? |
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| 13:56.28 | mguy | jmd: /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist |
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| 13:56.31 | jmd | Also, I'd like to actually understand what is causing it to be loaded in the first place |
| 13:57.05 | mguy | jmd: Then put a line in there that says 'blacklist nvidiafb' |
| 13:57.34 | jmd | mguy, OK. Thanks |
| 13:57.37 | jmd | reboots |
| 13:59.08 | jordanm | actually, you should not place it in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist. your changes could be removed on a udev upgrade. it is recommended to a create a new file in /etc/modprobe.d/ for a local changes |
| 13:59.26 | i_am_deviant | jordanm: it runs for me ... i needed to comment out ^vfb line in my debian.cfg file for xen and then run `xm create -c debian.cfg $other_opts` |
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| 13:59.57 | i_am_deviant | jordanm: but it's still workaround and i'm dissapointed that still don't know howto disable framebufer |
| 14:00.03 | jmd | mguy, Unfortunately that made no difference. |
| 14:00.41 | jordanm | i_am_deviant: it is specific to xen. during normal installation you select between graphical and text mode of installation. graphical mode appears to load a framebuffer where the other does not |
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| 14:01.19 | jordanm | i_am_deviant: it literally specifies the frambuffer arguements for graphical boot, which in a normal scenerio you could remove (although it will likely fail) |
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| 14:02.26 | jordanm | i_am_deviant: graphical boot specifies: video=vesa:ywrap,mtrr vga=788 |
| 14:02.38 | i_am_deviant | jordanm: not exactly .. all is passed to debian installation kernel/initrd as a parameter |
| 14:03.17 | jordanm | i_am_deviant: something is selecting an option from the boot menu for you, especially if its going to text or graphical without you making a choice. that is not typically d-i behavior |
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| 14:04.05 | i_am_deviant | jordanm: ok, aaaah .. another idea |
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| 14:06.15 | jmd | It seems to be caused by udev doing something. Is there a way I can inspect what it's doing? |
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| 14:09.05 | deadchicken | jmd: There's a tool called kgdb to debug the kernel, which allows you to step through kernel sources. I have never used it ; so, I cannot provide help on using it. |
| 14:09.40 | deadchicken | jmd: There also might be a better tool for doing this. |
| 14:09.45 | jmd | deadchicken, I'll look it up. Thanks. |
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| 14:10.26 | jmd | When I try to rmmod nvidiafb it says that it's in use. |
| 14:10.34 | nuscire | hi, all. i'm using squeeze. my revtex4 in texlive-publishers is not working. do you have the same problem? |
| 14:10.39 | jmd | But lsmod doesn't show anything using it. |
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| 14:12.51 | jordanm | jmd: you should use modprobe -r instead of rmmod, like the rmmod manpage says |
| 14:13.17 | jmd | jordanm, That also gives the same error message. |
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| 14:13.34 | jmd | (and returns non-zero) |
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| 14:16.44 | jmd | Is there any documentation explaining the files in /etc/udev/ ? |
| 14:18.49 | mguy | jmd: What exactly is happening |
| 14:19.21 | jordanm | jmd: man udev |
| 14:19.32 | jmd | mguy, Is seems that a framebuffer is being started at boot time (which I don't want). |
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| 14:20.02 | mguy | So you're getting some other mode than 80x25 text, or is going into xwindows of some sort |
| 14:20.21 | jmd | mguy, The former. |
| 14:20.26 | chomwitt | in upgrading my testing system i get a message from linux-base about 'updating device IDs'.I have SATA disks . What should i do ? Is there a danger my system to become unbootable? |
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| 14:20.39 | mguy | jmd: What's wrong with that, I like those higher resolution text modes ;) |
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| 14:21.38 | jmd | mguy, It also seems to be causing some kind of instability to the XServer. |
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| 14:22.06 | jmd | mguy, At any rate I'd like to turn if off at least temporarily. |
| 14:22.27 | mguy | I know with lilo you could pass some sort of option like vga= to the boot loader, but with grub I'm not so sure |
| 14:22.48 | jmd | mguy, Yes. I tried that too. But it seemed to be ignored. |
| 14:23.45 | jmd | The kernel seems to be starting without the framebuffer, but after the message "waiting for /dev to be fully populated" it switches modes. |
| 14:24.04 | jordanm | chomwitt: there is always danger of that. |
| 14:24.39 | jordanm | chomwitt: although, depending on the type of upgrade, there can also be danger in not (such as a libata transition that would rename your drives from hdx to sdx) |
| 14:25.21 | jmd | reboots a second time |
| 14:25.25 | Argafal | badblocks is still at 0% after 2hours, to be exact it's at block 24. hence it will take months in this speed. any idea of a tool to write random noise to a harddrive with massive sector errors? |
| 14:25.25 | jordanm | luckily people don't run testing on systems they need to work, right? :P |
| 14:25.41 | chomwitt | jordanm: right!! :-) |
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| 14:28.34 | revolve | I have a packge installed (libudev0) with an unmet dependency (newer version of udev, which can't be installed). how can I downgrade libudev0? |
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| 14:30.21 | jordanm | revolve: aptitude install libudev0=<version> |
| 14:31.01 | revolve | thanks |
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| 14:32.59 | revolve | jordanm: how can I find which version was previously installed? |
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| 14:39.50 | tau | i have a mp4 and i stick it into the usb but i don't know what is the dispositive in /dev to mount to read from it. |
| 14:40.17 | tau | and i have made some mistake i formated it with ext3 :( |
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| 14:40.35 | tau | using the gparted, how can I do to safe it ? |
| 14:42.11 | i_am_deviant | jordanm: resolved .. it's kernel parametr `DEBIAN_FRONTEND=newt` .. but anyway. it seems strange to me, that no-one knows here .. i'm not using debian since 2001 or so |
| 14:42.15 | jordanm | revolve: check out /var/cache/apt/archives |
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| 14:42.31 | jordanm | i_am_deviant: never saw it before personally |
| 14:42.52 | i_am_deviant | jordanm: yeah. but it just works |
| 14:43.03 | i_am_deviant | jordanm: http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/ch05s03.html |
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| 14:47.06 | asdzxc | hi |
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| 14:47.11 | asdzxc | is it possible to shape CPU time per user or per cgroup ? |
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| 14:49.44 | jordanm | asdzxc: using openvz containers |
| 14:50.37 | asdzxc | isn't there any better solutions ? for example via cgroups or something |
| 14:50.49 | asdzxc | i'm able to group user processes into cgroups |
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| 14:54.06 | PsiKlops | hi.. i have squeeze (2.6.32-5-686 kernel) and got no sound... i just made a upgrade from a fresh install, i installed all alsa-* .... but still am missing sound |
| 14:55.35 | jordanm | !tell PsiKlops about alsa checklist |
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| 14:56.01 | PsiKlops | good idea jordanm ;-) thanx |
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| 14:57.28 | tau | how can I do to get what is the dispostive into /dev that corresponds to my usb storage ? |
| 14:57.43 | tau | i plug it into the usb but i am not noticied of. |
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| 15:00.23 | joogi | tau, dmesg displays the /dev location |
| 15:00.52 | lindi- | tau: dmesg is not very handy. better use /dev/disk/by-path |
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| 15:01.21 | joogi | thats right :) its the better way. |
| 15:01.34 | tau | lindi-: , joogi humm, let me try. |
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| 15:02.08 | tau | but it still isn't mounted, it will appear ? |
| 15:02.44 | lindi- | tau: gnome? |
| 15:03.05 | tau | lindi-: i am using the kde. |
| 15:03.24 | tau | lindi-: hmm, i did what you said, so i typed ls /dev/disk/by-path |
| 15:03.42 | tau | i got 6 links into that directory. |
| 15:04.00 | tau | lindi-: what is the one that i must use to mount ? |
| 15:04.27 | lindi- | tau: each usb stick probably has a different id |
| 15:04.53 | tau | and a one noteworthy fact, i did dmesg too, and i didn't get anything different from the first time that i have done it. |
| 15:05.22 | tau | it is like if i haven't stick the usb storage. |
| 15:05.37 | tau | lindi-: it was working fine, but i formated using the gpartes for ext3. |
| 15:05.47 | tau | and it stopped to work. |
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| 15:07.52 | lindi- | tau: ls /dev/disk/by-path? |
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| 15:10.07 | tau | lindi-: http://codepad.org/2bmE37xE |
| 15:12.05 | jordanm | guesses that its the only one that says "usb" |
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| 15:13.50 | lindi- | tau: maybe it's pci-0000:00:1d.7-usb-0:8:1.0-scsi-0:0:0:0? |
| 15:14.04 | lindi- | tau: try removing the stick and see if that disappears |
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| 15:17.27 | tau | lindi-: yeah, but it didn't disappear. |
| 15:18.07 | tau | lindi-: i formated this usb store like ext3, i find i got break it. |
| 15:18.37 | tau | lindi-: do you have idea how to fix it ? |
| 15:19.39 | joogi | if u replug the stick and nothing new appears in dmesg, means that the kernel doens't recognize the stick and this is bad |
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| 15:21.02 | tau | joogi: yeah. |
| 15:21.21 | joogi | is something new in dmesg |
| 15:21.26 | joogi | after u replugt it ? |
| 15:21.32 | tau | joogi: i find it is happening. |
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| 15:21.38 | joogi | :) |
| 15:21.39 | tau | joogi: no, nothing appears. |
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| 15:21.49 | joogi | :/ |
| 15:21.56 | tau | joogi: i formated the mp4 using ext3 at last time i have used it. |
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| 15:22.01 | tau | i was a dumb. |
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| 15:22.21 | joogi | mp4 ? |
| 15:22.29 | tau | joogi: yes, a kind of usb storage. |
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| 15:22.41 | tau | joogi: and it can play music too. |
| 15:22.47 | Fleg_ | Hi All! How can I figure out from which repository is a package is installed? |
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| 15:23.10 | pozic | How can I copy a complete partition as fast as possible to another device? |
| 15:23.11 | stockholm | apt-cache policy |
| 15:23.39 | pozic | I have to be _sure_ that everything will be on the new device. |
| 15:23.50 | stockholm | pozic: dd could work. |
| 15:23.50 | pozic | Does dd work for that?\ |
| 15:24.17 | pozic | stockholm: the target device currently contains a FAT32 file system. |
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| 15:24.23 | pozic | stockholm: does that matter? |
| 15:24.36 | pozic | stockholm: (AFAIK, dd does not work on the FS level) |
| 15:24.46 | joogi | cp ? |
| 15:25.06 | petemc | pozic: you could look at partimage |
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| 15:25.26 | joogi | tau, wich player do u have ? |
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| 15:25.50 | stockholm | pozic: it does, yes |
| 15:26.09 | tau | joogi: i didn't understand what you mean. |
| 15:26.12 | stockholm | pozic: i am not sure on what level you want to dd |
| 15:26.19 | tau | joogi: i use kaffeine. |
| 15:26.34 | tau | joogi: but, are you refering to usb dispositive ? |
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| 15:27.38 | joogi | tau, sry i missunderstood u i thought usb device can play the music standalone... |
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| 15:27.53 | tau | joogi: yes, it can play. |
| 15:28.07 | petemc | tau: dispositive makes no sense in that context, and its confusing when you talk about mp4 when it seems you mean usb media player |
| 15:28.19 | joogi | ... |
| 15:28.20 | joogi | :D |
| 15:28.27 | tau | petemc: it is a usb media player. |
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| 15:28.37 | tau | but it is called in my country like mp4. |
| 15:28.41 | pozic | petemc: that seems to create an "image" file. |
| 15:28.47 | tau | well, at least it is sell like one. |
| 15:28.58 | pozic | petemc: with no mention of whether the target file system is supported. |
| 15:29.26 | tau | i already used this same dispositive with my PC but i formated it for ext3. |
| 15:29.30 | tau | so, it stopped to work. |
| 15:29.39 | aguitel | in squeeze software-center shows duplicate entries ,anyone know this ? |
| 15:29.48 | tau | i think i overwrited some important file when doing it. |
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| 15:30.45 | joogi | tau, is the player able to boot ? |
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| 15:30.55 | joogi | without usb connection to pc ? |
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| 15:31.58 | tau | joogi: no, it isn't working without the pc, it appear a msg when i stick it into the usb. |
| 15:32.16 | tau | but it doesn't show anything furtherly. |
| 15:32.29 | tau | further* |
| 15:32.51 | lindi- | tau: what message is it exactly? |
| 15:33.13 | lindi- | aguitel: bugs.debian.org? |
| 15:33.16 | tau | joogi: it shows a message like 'wait'. |
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| 15:33.56 | joogi | tau, maybe there is a chance to repair it if u reinstall the base software via the installer (mostly a windows application) |
| 15:33.58 | ttjwcen | Please checkout; http://www.ko-ogle.com/7777/ if you wanna play biggest Knight Online network. |
| 15:34.01 | aguitel | lindi-, y file this bug |
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| 15:34.37 | tau | joogi: yeah, but i have no idea what is the software to install. |
| 15:34.41 | lindi- | aguitel: ? |
| 15:34.49 | tau | joogi: and what install in it. |
| 15:35.24 | aguitel | lindi-, i report the bug |
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| 15:35.52 | joogi | tau,i dont know... normaly its software wich is delivered with the player... |
| 15:36.16 | tau | joogi: yes, but i lost the cd. |
| 15:36.26 | dobedobedoh | Any idea what's happened to the kernel releases's DSA? |
| 15:36.49 | lindi- | aguitel: yes do report it |
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| 15:37.17 | joogi | tau, ask google for the software... |
| 15:37.31 | dobedobedoh | nvm |
| 15:37.48 | dobedobedoh | not a DSA... 5.0.5 |
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| 15:37.53 | aguitel | lindi-, i did |
| 15:37.53 | tau | joogi: yeah. i am trying it. |
| 15:37.58 | joogi | :) |
| 15:38.01 | joogi | gl |
| 15:38.05 | tau | thank you joogi . |
| 15:38.08 | tau | and lindi- . |
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| 15:41.52 | tau | joogi: hey, i am trying to find it on google, but i don't know the exact key to look for. |
| 15:42.02 | tau | joogi: do you know for what i must look ? |
| 15:42.26 | tau | joogi: i look for 'software base for usb storage on linux' but it didn't tell me many things. |
| 15:42.44 | joogi | tau nah |
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| 15:43.51 | joogi | tau, ... search for maybe : <your exact device name (like ipod 3gen)> software |
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| 15:44.52 | dominicus | I did a "ls -l"... but I didn't notice when periods were introduced in the result, i.e. "drwxr-x---.". What does the period indicate? |
| 15:44.55 | tau | joogi: yes, i did it , i got announcement of selling. |
| 15:45.00 | joogi | :D |
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| 15:45.09 | tau | let me try again. |
| 15:45.29 | juken | I'm having some issues getting the microphone on my microsoft lifechat lx-3000's to work properly, I had it working a few days ago, but unfortunately after a reboot it stopped working. If anyone has any suggestions I'm open to hearing them. I have checked Google but haven't been able to find the solution yet. |
| 15:45.33 | joogi | maybe "<devname> software download" |
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| 15:53.24 | cahoot | juken: that's some kind of webcam or what? |
| 15:53.52 | juken | cahoot: no, just a headset with a microphone on it. |
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| 15:54.13 | juken | cahoot: http://www.microsoft.com/hardware/digitalcommunication/productdetails.aspx?pid=006 |
| 15:54.22 | cahoot | juken: what card# according to cat /proc/asound/cards? |
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| 15:55.26 | juken | cahoot: http://pastebin.com/euk7zYFV |
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| 15:56.31 | cahoot | juken: so it's the defualt sounddevic - tried enabling the mic in alsamixer? |
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| 15:56.52 | cahoot | juken: no pulseaudio involved I hope |
| 15:57.22 | juken | cahoot: cahoot: I have tried enabling the mic in alsamixer... I do believe pulseaudio is involved =/ |
| 15:57.38 | cahoot | juken: so you run ubuntu? |
| 15:57.53 | juken | cahoot: yes |
| 15:58.16 | cahoot | juken: ok I know NIL about pulse, second this is #debian |
| 15:59.10 | juken | cahoot: damn, and I'm aware this is #debian, I figured I might be able to get an answer here. :) |
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| 16:02.14 | Guest42252 | anyone know how to change the gdm login theme under squeeze? |
| 16:02.48 | sepult | in gdmrc |
| 16:03.12 | Guest42252 | where is that at? |
| 16:03.29 | sepult | i think /etc/ or /etc/gdm something |
| 16:04.24 | Bushmills | alternatively, gdmsetup |
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| 16:04.36 | hatta | I'm trying to compile Wine on Sid AMD64 |
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| 16:04.46 | hatta | the wine wiki tells me to install 32 bit libraries with ia32-apt-get |
| 16:04.48 | Guest42252 | gdmsetup doesnt provide a way to change the theme as it did before |
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| 16:05.03 | hatta | I don't have ia32-apt-get and it's not available in the repository |
| 16:05.14 | hatta | is there something else I should use? |
| 16:05.50 | Bushmills | Guest42252: http://scarydevilmonastery.net/snap/1277741124131832058d.png |
| 16:06.46 | Guest42252 | Bushmills: thats the old version, the new version doesnt have any of that |
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| 16:07.01 | ociredeF | what's up |
| 16:07.25 | rking | Guest42252: I don't know... I'm on sid, and I have all of that. |
| 16:07.33 | ociredeF | I got a power management issue in my netbok guys. I don't get the gnome power management tool to do as I configure it to do it |
| 16:07.52 | ociredeF | after around 5 minutes idle the computer suspends |
| 16:07.55 | Guest42252 | rking: really?? im on squeeze and i dont, instead i have something like this http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3515/3904127090_7a7c8e8a96_o.png |
| 16:08.03 | Bushmills | Guest42252: what version should that new version be? |
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| 16:08.38 | Guest42252 | Bushmills: I have no idea T_T |
| 16:08.47 | rking | Guest42252: Hrm. How are you launching that? From the CLI? |
| 16:08.48 | Bushmills | what debian version do you run? |
| 16:09.03 | rking | Bushmills: He's on squeeze |
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| 16:09.23 | Guest42252 | rking: from the CLI and from the System menu, either way |
| 16:09.26 | Bushmills | i'm with gdm 2.20.10-3 |
| 16:09.51 | Guest42252 | Bushmills: how do i check that? |
| 16:09.58 | Bushmills | dpkg -l gdm |
| 16:09.58 | dpkg | ii gdm 2.9-1.3 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 16:09.59 | hatta | is ia32-libs-tools the replacement for ia32-apt-get? |
| 16:10.13 | ociredeF | well.. nobody's experienced anything like that? |
| 16:10.47 | Guest42252 | Bushmills: mine says <none> T_T |
| 16:11.06 | Guest42252 | Bushmills: seems im using gdm3 instead of gdm |
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| 16:11.25 | Guest42252 | Bushmills: gdm3 2.30.2-3 Next generation GNOME Display Manager |
| 16:12.01 | rking | I wonder what dpkg means with "ultra"/"s3kr1t" |
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| 16:12.34 | cahoot | that's sort of the point |
| 16:12.41 | Bushmills | didn't know that gdm3 in version 2.30.2-3 made it into squeeze already |
| 16:12.42 | phizz | I'm running squeeze right now and I'm trying to install vlc, but aptitude can't find libenca0_1.13-1_amd64.deb .. I looked in the repos and it's because the version in the repos is 1.13-2 .. could I add a another repo to my sources.list to correct this or would that change other things in my system? |
| 16:12.52 | Bushmills | , version gdm3 |
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| 16:13.57 | Guest42252 | Bushmills: I'm installing gdm now, that might be the problem, its a pity that gdm3 doesnt have a way to change the theme.. |
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| 16:14.33 | Bushmills | well, asking about gdm will most likely not give you gdm3 replies |
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| 16:15.03 | Guest42252 | Bushmills: yeah, sorry, I didn't know I had gdm3 until i checked the manager |
| 16:15.36 | jelly-home | ,versions cpu-checker |
| 16:15.39 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'cpu-checker' was found. |
| 16:15.52 | jelly-home | ,depends update-notifier-common --release squeeze |
| 16:15.55 | judd | update-notifier-common -- depends: python, python-apt (>= 0.6.12). |
| 16:16.06 | jelly-home | ,recommends update-notifier-common --release squeeze |
| 16:16.06 | judd | update-notifier-common -- recommends: libpam-modules (>= 1.0.1-9ubuntu3), cpu-checker. |
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| 16:16.12 | Guest42252 | Bushmills: Because on a fresh installation from a month ago I could change themes, I didnt know it was because gdm3 replaced gdm |
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| 16:16.57 | phizz | I was thinking of adding the sid repo to my sources.list because it has version 1.13-1 in it but I'm afraid it'll try to change my other software |
| 16:17.03 | Guest42252 | thank you guys, I'll see you later |
| 16:17.23 | Bushmills | as so often with an all new version of a product: pay more, get less. |
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| 16:18.27 | phizz | can I make aptitude download/install the correct version from the squeenze repos? (1.13-1) |
| 16:18.35 | phizz | er, 1.13-2 |
| 16:18.54 | jelly-home | phizz: aptitude has a --dry-run command |
| 16:19.10 | jelly-home | !tell phizz about tum |
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| 16:20.02 | jelly-home | jordanm: I haz ubuntu haet bugz 4 u |
| 16:20.31 | jelly-home | jordanm: <judd> Sorry, no package named 'cpu-checker' was found. <judd> update-notifier-common -- recommends: libpam-modules (>= 1.0.1-9ubuntu3), cpu-checker |
| 16:20.51 | sepult | cpu-checker ?? |
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| 16:21.00 | sepult | what's thaaaat ? |
| 16:21.00 | phizz | I see |
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| 16:21.15 | sepult | there is a cpuid |
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| 16:24.23 | phizz | jdpage :)] |
| 16:24.39 | phizz | its a small world |
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| 16:28.11 | phizz | so I could install it with apt-get -t sid after I add the source, will I be at risk for apt installing future software from sid instead of squeeze, or is that what Default-Release does? |
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| 16:29.48 | rvsjoen | that's one of the 'if you have to ask you shouldn't be doing it' kind of things |
| 16:29.48 | jhutchins_lt | phizz: That's pretty much a guaranteed way to break your system. |
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| 16:30.07 | jhutchins_lt | phizz: If it's not available as a backport /msg dpkg ssb |
| 16:30.16 | Bushmills | breaking things can be very educative |
| 16:30.32 | jhutchins_lt | Experience is proportional to data destroyed. |
| 16:30.50 | jpinx-ee1pc | phizz: is going to be back here soon afterwards for help unbreaking it : |
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| 16:30.57 | phizz | lol.. |
| 16:31.07 | phizz | haven't done anything yet |
| 16:31.27 | jpinx-ee1pc | phizz: backup your data and configs before you start educaqting yourself ;) |
| 16:31.30 | phizz | I didn't really want to install squeeze but the installer wasn't detecting my ethernet card any other way |
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| 16:32.45 | phizz | hmm, well why does aptitude try to install libenca0_1.13-1_amd64.deb when libenca0_1.13-2_amd64.deb is the file in the repos? |
| 16:32.52 | jpinx-ee1pc | phizz: all this to install vlc? |
| 16:33.02 | Bushmills | squeeze is ok, the channel won't roast you for choosing squeeze over lenny, as they would for installing sid |
| 16:33.03 | phizz | heh yeha |
| 16:33.16 | jpinx-ee1pc | ,versions vlc |
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| 16:33.18 | judd | vlc -- etch: 0.8.6-svn20061012.debian-5.1+etch3; etch-security: 0.8.6-svn20061012.debian-5.1+etch3; lenny: 0.8.6.h-4+lenny2; lenny-security: 0.8.6.h-4+lenny2.3; squeeze: 1.0.6-1; sid: 1.1.0-1 |
| 16:33.39 | jpinx-ee1pc | ,depends vlc --releaase squeeze |
| 16:33.41 | judd | (depends <packagename> [--arch <i386>] [--release <lenny>]) -- Show the packages that are listed as 'Depends' for a given package. By default, the current stable release and i386 are used. |
| 16:33.48 | jelly-home | !burn Bushmills |
| 16:34.13 | PsiKlops | jordanm, can you please take a look at this, i am not getting my sound-card up: http://pastebin.com/k1fFQUF7 |
| 16:34.44 | jpinx-ee1pc | phizz: what's the exact error you are getting when you try to install vlc ? |
| 16:34.44 | Bushmills | sprinkles a few drops of beer on the meagre excuse of flames instigated by jelly-home |
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| 16:35.23 | jpinx-ee1pc | ,depends vlc --release squeeze |
| 16:35.23 | judd | vlc -- depends: vlc-nox (= 1.0.6-1), libaa1 (>= 1.4p5), libc6 (>= 2.8), libdbus-1-3 (>= 1.0.2), libfreetype6 (>= 2.2.1), libfribidi0 (>= 0.19.2), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1), libgl1-mesa-glx | libgl1, libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.12.0), libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.8.0), libnotify1 (>= 0.4.5), libnotify1-gtk2.10, libqtcore4 (>= 4:4.6.1), libqtgui4 (>= 4:4.6.1), libsdl-image1.2 (>= 1.2.10), libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1), |
| 16:35.24 | judd | libstdc++6 (>= 4.2.1), libtar, libvlccore2 (>= 1.0.0~rc1), libx11-6 (>= 0), libxcb-keysyms1 (>= 0.3.6), libxcb1 (>= 0), libxext6 (>= 0), libxinerama1, libxv1, libxxf86vm1, zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.3.3.dfsg), ttf-dejavu-core. |
| 16:35.30 | jpinx-ee1pc | :/ |
| 16:35.31 | phizz | Err http://ftp.us.debian.org squeeze/main libenca0 1.13-1 404 Not Found [IP: 128.30.2.36 80] |
| 16:35.39 | phizz | E: Failed to fetch http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/e/enca/libenca0_1.13-1_amd64.deb: 404 Not Found [IP: 128.30.2.36 80] |
| 16:35.45 | jelly-home | phizz: do an aptitude update |
| 16:35.54 | jpinx-ee1pc | phizz: update |
| 16:35.58 | phizz | k |
| 16:36.13 | smhar | links from http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst are not working could someone confirm please |
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| 16:36.28 | tharkun | I have a machine running apt-cacher for external reasons i had to move it from internal ip 192.168.100.91 to 192.168.100.5 now after modifying /etc/apt/sources.list to the correct ip machines still try to contact the old ip. Is there something i am missing? |
| 16:36.57 | tharkun | The only machine that it is working as planned is the one with the apt-cacher daemon running |
| 16:37.12 | phizz | :) |
| 16:37.17 | phizz | thanks guys. |
| 16:37.34 | smhar | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.4/i386/iso-cd/debian-504-i386-netinst.iso is not accessible |
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| 16:39.35 | jelly-home | smhblah |
| 16:39.42 | phizz | glad I didn't try apt-get -t :P |
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| 16:39.55 | jk4 | hi peeps |
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| 16:40.17 | jk4 | How to search for packages using keyword serach? |
| 16:40.25 | jk4 | i mean search |
| 16:40.27 | jpinx-eeepc | aptitude search |
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| 16:40.47 | jk4 | ok, thanks |
| 16:40.55 | jpinx-eeepc | !next |
| 16:40.56 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
| 16:41.00 | jelly-home | jk4: apt-cache search foo is a good start |
| 16:41.25 | jelly-home | aptitude search is intimidating. |
| 16:41.38 | jk4 | ok |
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| 16:41.52 | PsiKlops | i have 2.6.32-5-686 kernel (squeeze) i made an upgrade from a fresh business-card install, now i have no sound at all, is it because of my Sound-Card, since i have followed the directions DPKG gave me, but my card doesnt want itself to be found: http://pastebin.com/k1fFQUF7 |
| 16:41.56 | PsiKlops | and http://pastebin.com/tiA8Wpft |
| 16:42.08 | PsiKlops | i am losing my connection constantly |
| 16:42.26 | PsiKlops | i am sorry if i have posted this serveral times |
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| 16:44.17 | Justin | PsiKlops: aplay -l |
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| 16:47.10 | PsiKlops | Justin, no soundcards found |
| 16:47.31 | phizz | heh |
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| 16:48.09 | PsiKlops | aplay: device_list:235: no soundcards found... |
| 16:48.11 | tharkun | I get this error Err http://192.168.100.5 lenny Release.gpg Could not connect to 192.168.100.91:3142 (192.168.100.91). - connect (113 No route to host) |
| 16:48.52 | Justin | tharkun: fix your sources.list |
| 16:49.09 | Justin | PsiKlops: lsmod ? |
| 16:49.11 | tharkun | Justin: they are indeed pointing to 192.168.100.5 instead of .91 |
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| 16:49.30 | jelly-home | tharkun: "check your proxy settings" |
| 16:49.30 | tharkun | That is what is puzzling me, should i flush the cacher? |
| 16:49.34 | Justin | tharkun: grep 192.168.100.91 -r /etc |
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| 16:50.44 | cahoot | PsiKlops: modprobe -r snd_ymfpci; modprobe snd_ymfpci; dmesg - any complaints? |
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| 16:51.24 | PsiKlops | Justin, http://pastebin.com/4ycugctR |
| 16:51.30 | PsiKlops | Justin, http://pastebin.com/4ycugctR |
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| 16:53.59 | PsiKlops | Justin, http://pastebin.com/1ZNk71Gu |
| 16:54.43 | tharkun | Justin: thx it seems it was also set up as a proxy. |
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| 16:57.42 | PsiKlops | i just got thrown off again |
| 16:58.01 | PsiKlops | did you post anything for me Justin ? |
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| 16:58.05 | Justin | no |
| 16:58.10 | cahoot | PsiKlops: modprobe -r snd_ymfpci; modprobe snd_ymfpci; paste the last 20-30 lines of dmesg |
| 16:58.16 | Spec | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.4/i386/iso-cd/debian-504-i386-netinst.iso isn't working for me :( |
| 16:58.22 | PsiKlops | Justin, http://pastebin.com/1ZNk71Gu |
| 16:58.25 | Spec | Anyone know of a handy mirror? |
| 16:58.39 | Justin | it's not looking good, looks like that card has been broken for a while |
| 16:58.43 | PsiKlops | cahoot, thats the whole dmesg |
| 16:58.51 | Justin | probably needs someone to run a git bisect to figure out what broke it |
| 16:58.58 | jhutchins_lt | !not working |
| 16:58.58 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>. |
| 16:59.39 | Spec | I'm being redirected to the mirror caesar.acc.umu.se, which is serving 404s. |
| 17:00.01 | jhutchins_lt | !tell spec about sources |
| 17:00.22 | Spec | jhutchins_lt: uhh |
| 17:00.23 | cahoot | PsiKlops: one last probe - I'm wondering if missing firmware is the issue |
| 17:00.24 | jelly-home | Spec: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.5/i386/iso-cd/debian-505-i386-netinst.iso |
| 17:00.25 | pozic | !burncd |
| 17:00.30 | pozic | !burniso |
| 17:00.30 | dpkg | somebody said burniso was wodim -dev /dev/cdrom -v -v -data foo.iso, or ask me about <check iso image> |
| 17:00.30 | jpinx-eeepc | !mirrors |
| 17:00.31 | Spec | jelly-home: that's what i'm being redirected from |
| 17:00.32 | JoshH | i thought people used bittorrent for linux isos |
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| 17:00.51 | PsiKlops | 1 sec. |
| 17:00.52 | Spec | jhutchins_lt: that didn't actually have mirrors. or anything other than sources.lst info, which has nothing to do with downloading isos ;) |
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| 17:01.04 | jelly-home | Spec: possibly there's a mirror push in progress, it WorksForMe |
| 17:01.13 | Spec | jelly-home: can you give me the mirror you're getting it from? |
| 17:02.01 | jelly-home | Spec: http://hammurabi.acc.umu.se/debian-cd/5.0.5/i386/iso-cd/debian-505-i386-netinst.iso |
| 17:02.20 | Spec | thanks :) |
| 17:02.34 | Spec | How does cdimage.debian.org pick it's mirrors? |
| 17:02.46 | Spec | looks like dns magic? |
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| 17:03.06 | jelly-home | nah, round-robin is not magic |
| 17:03.18 | Spec | But it always resolves to the same address for me |
| 17:03.24 | PsiKlops | cahoot, alsa-firmware-loaders, firmware-linux-free, firmware-linux-nonfree, is what i got |
| 17:03.25 | Spec | so persistant/round-robin magic? :p |
| 17:03.34 | jelly-home | Spec: your resolver is faulty, then |
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| 17:04.00 | PsiKlops | firmware-linux |
| 17:04.04 | cahoot | PsiKlops: and no complaint about firmware in dmesg when reloading the module? |
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| 17:07.38 | jelly-home | Spec: try doing "getent hosts cdimage.debian.org" a couple of times, it ought to change |
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| 17:08.03 | PsiKlops | cahoot, i think it fried |
| 17:08.03 | PsiKlops | s |
| 17:08.07 | gnat_x_ | so i've been having a problem with xorg ever since i upgraded to squeeze,and this past week a buddy of mine with a different make of laptop said he's been experiencing the same thing. essentially what happens is that xorg will stop putting a video signal out if you put the machine to sleep when it is hot. |
| 17:08.07 | PsiKlops | i'll get a "usb soundcard" |
| 17:08.12 | PsiKlops | for 10 euros |
| 17:08.15 | PsiKlops | :| |
| 17:08.24 | PsiKlops | thanx for the help ;-) |
| 17:08.27 | PsiKlops | see ya round |
| 17:08.28 | gnat_x_ | my question is, how does one go about helpfully documenting that? |
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| 17:08.47 | Spec | jelly-home: always getting ftp.acc.umu.se |
| 17:09.00 | dondelelcaro | gnat_x_: sounds like some kind of driver/hardware issue |
| 17:09.09 | dondelelcaro | gnat_x_: can you ssh into the machine and bring the video back online? |
| 17:09.10 | gnat_x_ | i also think that there's something else up with overheating in the kernel, since using a lot of cpu causes my machine to shut down. |
| 17:09.11 | jelly-home | Spec: the address ought to change |
| 17:09.14 | Spec | jelly-home: but for some reason my browser gets redirected to caesar.acc.umu.se |
| 17:09.25 | Spec | Hrmm, it does not change. |
| 17:09.43 | gnat_x_ | dondelelcaro: i can go to the tty and ctrl-c xorg (i use startx and not gdm). |
| 17:09.56 | jelly-home | Spec: what about "getent hosts ftp.acc.umu.se", which OS are you using? |
| 17:09.58 | Spec | jelly-home: I even changed my resolver to a public resolver. |
| 17:10.07 | dondelelcaro | gnat_x_: and then the video comes back up? |
| 17:10.09 | Spec | jelly-home: that gives me itself |
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| 17:10.18 | jelly-home | Spec: what is the actual output? |
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| 17:10.32 | Spec | 2001:6b0:e:2018::173 ftp.acc.umu.se \n 2001:6b0:e:2018::163 ftp.acc.umu.se |
| 17:10.43 | gnat_x_ | dondelelcaro: yes. i should also note that video goes down for the ttys as well as xorg, but the video all comes back when i relaunch x. |
| 17:10.55 | jelly-home | Spec: do the address not change place? |
| 17:11.14 | Spec | jelly-home: no, just the order flips (::173 vs ::163) |
| 17:11.16 | jelly-home | Spec: notice there are two different addresses. |
| 17:11.21 | jelly-home | Spec: exactly! |
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| 17:11.49 | jelly-home | Spec: and wget chooses the first one gethostbyname() gives it |
| 17:11.56 | Spec | so it's just two mirrors? |
| 17:12.17 | jelly-home | there're two 'v6 and two 'v4 addresses |
| 17:12.39 | Spec | and both those addresses resolve to domains my browser doesn't see :P |
| 17:12.40 | jelly-home | I have no idea whether this is one or more machines, tho apparently it's two or more |
| 17:13.02 | Spec | reverse is napoleon.acc.umu.se and tutankhamon.acc.umu.se |
| 17:13.21 | Spec | but my browser keeps going to caesar.acc.umu.se which i guess is in the middle of a push. s'kay though, i'm getting the iso via the other mirror you linked. |
| 17:14.03 | jelly-home | Spec: your browser might have an internal dns cache ifself, thus ruining dns roundrobin |
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| 17:14.21 | Spec | jelly-home: It's funny that "clear browser cache" doesn't clear the browser's internal dns cache, in my experience. |
| 17:14.31 | jelly-home | restart it |
| 17:14.39 | Spec | jelly-home: but it's downloading an iso ;) |
| 17:14.44 | jelly-home | then don't |
| 17:14.46 | Spec | should've used wget. |
| 17:14.50 | jelly-home | yes |
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| 17:17.17 | PinkFreud | hey folks. I need to submit a bug report against dhclient in the debian-installer used in kfreebsd, but I'm not entirely certain how to do so. Any suggestions? |
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| 17:17.48 | dondelelcaro | PinkFreud: file a bug against debian-installer explaining the precise problem with as much detail (and ideally a patch) |
| 17:18.00 | PinkFreud | a patch I can do. |
| 17:18.09 | dondelelcaro | PinkFreud: alternatively, if you're certain it's a bug in dhclient, file a bug against dhcp3-client or whatever builds that udeb |
| 17:18.39 | PinkFreud | The particular bug is in /sbin/dhclient-script. |
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| 17:18.46 | PinkFreud | I've no idea what builds that udeb, though. |
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| 17:25.24 | sepult | i don't know how that happens, but somehow moving my /var to another partition left all dangling links |
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| 17:26.14 | sepult | and cleaning them with cleanlinks left me almost do a new install, but almost |
| 17:26.55 | PinkFreud | ahh hah. dhcp3-client-udeb |
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| 17:28.13 | pozic | How can I erase a CD? |
| 17:28.22 | pozic | k3b claims there are all kinds of silly errors. |
| 17:28.30 | pozic | I am root, it should just do as I tell it. |
| 17:29.35 | pallgone | pozic: http://txt.binnyva.com/2008/01/linux-command-to-erase-rewritable-cd/ |
| 17:29.50 | dominicus | Can anyone tell me what the period at the end of this "ls -l" listing means? --> "drwxrwxrwx." |
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| 17:31.20 | jhutchins_lt | Dominicus: Directory w/read/write/list access for all. |
| 17:31.44 | dondelelcaro | Dominicus: that's not something you'd normally see; what was the exact command and what was the output? |
| 17:31.50 | jhutchins_lt | pozic: Might be smart to figure out what the errors are and fix k3b. |
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| 17:32.10 | jhutchins_lt | dondelelcaro: ? |
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| 17:32.38 | dondelelcaro | jhutchins_lt: there normally isn't a trailing period; reread his question |
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| 17:33.49 | dondelelcaro | Dominicus: ah, it's an SE linux security context |
| 17:33.50 | jelly-home | Dominicus: + stands for ACLs. Perhaps . stands for XATTRs. info coreutils ls |
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| 17:34.31 | dondelelcaro | Dominicus: info coreutils "what information is listed" |
| 17:34.45 | Dominicus | dondelelcaro: I was wondering about that. I recently adopted selinux a couple months ago, but that change was so subtle, I didn't recognize it until today. And when I searched for that against selinux, I didn't get anything. |
| 17:34.56 | dondelelcaro | Dominicus: yeah, it's specific to ls |
| 17:35.16 | Dominicus | dondelelcaro: lol. I was just in that this morning via a: info coreutils 'ls invocation' |
| 17:35.41 | jhutchins_lt | definitely needs to read more carefully. |
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| 17:41.13 | Dominicus | dondelelcaro & jelly-home: Thanks for the help with that. |
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| 17:42.10 | dondelelcaro | Dominicus: np |
| 17:42.18 | martianlobster | what is the appropriate unit of measurement, to measure how many operations per second a computer can do? flops would be specific to floating point operations. How about ordinary, non floating point operations? |
| 17:42.38 | Myth` | I'm trying to format a new HD with reiserfs - both mkfs -t reiserfs and mkfs.reiserfs are failing. |
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| 17:42.47 | Myth` | I should say > the commands aren't found. |
| 17:43.20 | dondelelcaro | martianlobster: depends on the operation; IPS is a pretty standard measurement, though it's basically useless |
| 17:43.31 | martianlobster | dondelelcaro: thanks |
| 17:43.43 | dondelelcaro | (usually people talk in terms of MIPS, or bogomips) |
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| 17:44.39 | jelly-home | !tell Myth` about search |
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| 17:48.00 | Myth` | jelly-home: Thanks, but I've tried searching. The only thing that jumped out at me was reiser4progs - This is the error I'm getting |
| 17:48.08 | Myth` | # mkfs -t reiserfs /dev/sdd1 mkfs.reiserfs: No such file or directory |
| 17:49.00 | jelly-home | Myth`: even a simple apt-cache search reiserfs returns one sensible result |
| 17:49.35 | dondelelcaro | Njh: edit /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 17:49.57 | jelly-home | Myth`: or use apt-file or "/msg dpkg pdo" to search for a file named mkfs.reiserfs |
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| 17:50.34 | EvilRick | hey guys.. my kernel has a ext4dev module that I loaded but I can mount an ext4 partition that I got from another system. Is tehre anything I should now |
| 17:50.41 | EvilRick | now=know |
| 17:50.57 | jelly-home | Myth`: one question though, why that particular filesystem type? |
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| 17:51.18 | EvilRick | mkfs.jailfs :) |
| 17:51.39 | jelly-home | Myth`: ext3 has all the useful features now except tail packing, and a fsck that works in addition |
| 17:51.54 | jelly-home | (and doesn't take hours/days) |
| 17:52.19 | jelly-home | EvilRick: you need a newer kernel for ext4. |
| 17:52.28 | EvilRick | I do a "mount /dev/sd3 /mnt/external -t ext4" and I get "mount: unknown filesystem type 'ext4'" |
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| 17:52.47 | EvilRick | how new.. I just got 2.6.26-2-amd64 |
| 17:52.57 | Justin | that's not new |
| 17:52.57 | EvilRick | about to reboot and try it |
| 17:53.16 | EvilRick | thats the latest debian one I can see |
| 17:53.16 | jelly-home | EvilRick: newer than 2.6.28 |
| 17:53.22 | EvilRick | unless I move off stable I guess |
| 17:53.23 | jelly-home | !tell EvilRick about bpo |
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| 18:17.13 | pozic | jordanm: it means less has to be written, which is faster, if it is I/O bound. |
| 18:17.28 | pozic | So, can it do 25MB/s or not. |
| 18:17.39 | pozic | If it is "probably not", I will do no compression. |
| 18:17.47 | pozic | If it is "we don't know", I will also do that. |
| 18:17.50 | dutchfish | pozic: with compression is faster most of the time on decent net/hardware |
| 18:17.53 | jelly-home | pozic: what's the device that can't do measly 25MB/s sequential write? |
| 18:18.21 | pozic | jelly-home: that's the wrong question. |
| 18:18.35 | pozic | jelly-home: I am asking whether the CPU can keep up. |
| 18:18.53 | dutchfish | pozic: the disk i/o will be the limit or the network |
| 18:18.56 | jelly-home | pozic:and I'm asking you a different question |
| 18:19.05 | pozic | jelly-home: I think the device is faster. |
| 18:19.11 | pozic | jelly-home: but I need 25MB. |
| 18:19.22 | jelly-home | pozic: so you won't be IO bound and you don't need to care about gzip |
| 18:19.34 | jelly-home | problem solved :-D |
| 18:19.37 | pozic | jelly-home: gzip is CPU bound. |
| 18:19.44 | jelly-home | pozic: only if you use it |
| 18:19.45 | pozic | jelly-home: so, no compression? |
| 18:19.51 | jelly-home | pozic: correct |
| 18:19.52 | pozic | jelly-home: ok, no compression. |
| 18:19.56 | pozic | jelly-home: thank you. |
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| 18:22.58 | lindi- | pozic: why don't you measure it? |
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| 18:24.04 | puty | two weeks ago I was asking about good cms. Today we have debiansk.com on debian web server. Slovakia was eliminated from the World Cup but debian is still alive .-) |
| 18:24.12 | jelly-home | that would be preposterous, using actual data to make a decision?! |
| 18:24.16 | Jouva | okkkkkkk so I mounted "/dev/hde1" and edited that mapping file that had (hd0,0) /dev/hda to say hde, and now it booted properly and the hd is saying hda... WHATEVER! :P |
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| 18:24.35 | jelly-home | Jouva: \o/ |
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| 18:24.55 | jelly-home | Jouva: clearly it's messing with you |
| 18:24.56 | Jouva | it boots but... aaaaaa |
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| 18:25.13 | pozic | lindi-: I don't exactly have time to make a study out of it. |
| 18:25.21 | pozic | lindi-: other than that I didn't want to use the FS API. |
| 18:25.26 | lindi- | pozic: simple measurement should be easy? |
| 18:25.30 | jelly-home | Jouva: my main drive is something sda, sometimes sdc... I use LABEL=foo in /etc/fstab |
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| 18:25.52 | pozic | lindi-: it would require me to write a script to write random data. |
| 18:26.03 | pozic | lindi-: cat /dev/urandom > foo |
| 18:26.09 | lindi- | pozic: urandom is not fast enough |
| 18:26.12 | jelly-home | pozic: that would be wrong, disks aren't random data |
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| 18:26.30 | jelly-home | pozic: why not measure actual partimage performance |
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| 18:27.05 | jelly-home | just you, partimage, two disks and a stopwatch |
| 18:27.12 | Jouva | this isn't an fstab thing I think |
| 18:27.23 | Jouva | it's a grub thing |
| 18:27.30 | mordocai | Hello, I'm using debian testing and trying to print to a printer shared by a windows xp machine. I found that using the GUI tool system-config-printer should work, but samba does not show up as an option, as is expected. What packages do I need installed to enable this? |
| 18:27.36 | pozic | jelly-home: because I am using partimage for the first time and it seems it is doing a fsck first, unfortunately. |
| 18:27.38 | jelly-home | Jouva: you can use LABEL= in root=LABEL=foo as well |
| 18:27.51 | Jouva | mk *shrug* |
| 18:27.53 | pozic | Programs that do stuff that I didn't request.... |
| 18:28.10 | dondelelcaro | mordocai: you should just be able to do it using cups by visiting http://localhost:631 |
| 18:28.47 | jelly-home | pozic: partimage reads ext[23]fs metadata to skip the unused blocks. If the metadata was messed up, the backup could be incomplete |
| 18:28.56 | dondelelcaro | pozic: some operations pretty much require a fsck first |
| 18:29.05 | pozic | jelly-home: ok, so there is a good reason to do so. |
| 18:29.05 | dondelelcaro | (not doing it would be insane) |
| 18:29.15 | jelly-home | pozic: also, it's a RTFM |
| 18:29.32 | mordocai | dondelelcaro: yeah, i tried that as well. Apparently "windows printer via samba" is supposed to show up as an option when I click add printer. It does not. |
| 18:29.33 | jelly-home | wonders what that --nocheck option does |
| 18:29.43 | pozic | jelly-home: I am sure it is, but I am under some time constraints which are caused by things beyond my control. |
| 18:29.58 | pozic | jelly-home: I want to thank the whole channel for the most useful help. |
| 18:30.00 | jelly-home | pozic: so take time do read the f. m. |
| 18:30.25 | pozic | jelly-home: dondelelcaro already said it would be crazy to do the operation without a fsck. |
| 18:30.33 | Jouva | oh I guess that "I'm on hda" is actually a fluke. It's back to thinking hde now |
| 18:30.37 | jelly-home | pozic: no he didn't |
| 18:30.38 | dondelelcaro | mordocai: do you have samba installed? |
| 18:30.39 | pozic | jelly-home: which makes sense, but I can read the manual now, since I have the time to do so. |
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| 18:31.04 | EvilRick | Installing a backports kernel has stuffed up permisions on my SMB shares. any clues? |
| 18:31.05 | Jouva | I'll have to reboot til it thinks it's hda and then apply a label. how do I get that in grub? |
| 18:31.14 | pozic | jelly-home: he said that because of the way the software works it has to do a fsck. |
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| 18:31.25 | dondelelcaro | Jouva: it's just root=UUID=blahblahblah |
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| 18:31.35 | pozic | jelly-home: I understand why invalid meta-data could create problems, so it seems that was what he meant. |
| 18:31.38 | jelly-home | pozic: he said _some operations_, this might include and is sane to do it with partimage. Or you can tell partimage to do a dumb full image instead. |
| 18:31.55 | preseed | ok I can not get preseed to partition, I've tried in both ubuntu and now debian so I'm faily sure it's how I'm doing it. Here is the preseed config code to partition, does it look okay. http://pastebin.com/F6uBBBTt |
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| 18:32.15 | pozic | jelly-home: they have a GUI. It would be odd if they didn't optimize for the most common case. |
| 18:32.17 | jelly-home | might include... default partimage mode for ext?fs |
| 18:32.27 | ^A^kira | willwork4foo: mb u have 2 micboost sliders like i do |
| 18:32.32 | ^A^kira | oops |
| 18:32.34 | ^A^kira | hello there |
| 18:32.37 | ^A^kira | i removed a package which was dependency of another package (in this case it's Juk as dep of kde-standard.... damn it) now i can't use aptitude without it ask me to fix it.... is there any workaround for stuff like this? |
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| 18:32.57 | mordocai | dondelelcaro: Hmmm... well no, it appears it isn't installed. Which is wierd... i installed it last night, it even asked for my workgroup name. But now it's saying it's not installed... oh well. |
| 18:32.58 | pozic | jelly-home: but it might still be possible, yes. Still, I believe I saved a lot of time by not doing it at the FS level. |
| 18:33.10 | pozic | jelly-home: anyway, the manual is waiting. Thanks, again. |
| 18:33.16 | Jouva | jelly-home: e2label /dev/hda somelabel? |
| 18:33.19 | Jouva | or hda1? |
| 18:33.42 | jelly-home | Jouva: first do it without the "somelabel" part |
| 18:33.50 | Jouva | ok |
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| 18:34.05 | Jouva | ahh needs 1. ok |
| 18:34.31 | Jouva | ok. how do I modify my grub setup to use this now |
| 18:34.50 | Jouva | like which file(s) do I modify and/or commands get ran |
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| 18:34.51 | jelly-home | Jouva: grub-legacy (0.97) or grub2? |
| 18:35.18 | Jouva | 0.97 looks like |
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| 18:35.27 | Jouva | from grub --version |
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| 18:37.09 | jelly-home | Jouva: /boot/grub/menu.lst, edit the line which looks like a comment (but isn't) which says # kopt=[stuff] |
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| 18:37.59 | Jouva | ohh so kopt=root=mylabel ro? |
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| 18:38.09 | Jouva | err |
| 18:38.14 | jelly-home | Jouva: Yes. Then scroll down and take notice of actual linux kernel grub menu entries but don't edit them |
| 18:39.00 | Jouva | right |
| 18:39.06 | jelly-home | Jouva: instead of editing all of those, run "update-grub" after editing that one line. Then take a peek at the updated menu.lst. |
| 18:39.19 | Jouva | ahhh and it'll fix those? |
| 18:39.33 | deadchicken | When using encrypted LVM volumes on Debian Lenny and default settings for everything else, an error message is being generated stating that "Your system had a kernel failure. There is diagnostic information available for this failure..." This happens after every boot. How do I access this information? |
| 18:39.47 | deadchicken | Dell Inspiron 1764 |
| 18:40.31 | mordocai | dondelelcaro: hmm... i'm not good with dpkg log filse. Could you take a look? http://sprunge.us/jNFh. It shows that I "half installed" samba last night i think? Then it just installed today? (it's 13:39 PM June 28th here right now). |
| 18:40.51 | mordocai | dondelelcaro: And that's just the last 500 lines grepped for samba, btw. |
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| 18:41.50 | jelly-home | Jouva: almost right. update-grub finds all the installed kernel stuff in /boot, then uses those special not-really-comments like # kopt=... to generate menu entries |
| 18:42.17 | Jouva | right that's what I basically meant |
| 18:42.26 | jelly-home | it doesn't really fix anything, it wipes and creates everything from scratch |
| 18:42.45 | beto84 | is there a zqy to install xserver-xorg without any drivers? i am going to use nvidia official, so why install all the others? |
| 18:42.54 | Jouva | hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm |
| 18:43.12 | beto84 | *a way |
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| 18:43.39 | jelly-home | beto84: if you install nvidia as a package, you'll be able to remove all the other xserver-xorg-video-* packages |
| 18:44.00 | dv- | rms does not approve |
| 18:44.07 | Jouva | oh fuck |
| 18:44.08 | jelly-home | beto84: but there needs to be a consistent package set for apt at any time |
| 18:44.22 | ampex | test |
| 18:44.24 | Jouva | we were supposed to say root=LABEL=mylabel weren't we? |
| 18:45.03 | jelly-home | Jouva: aye. Good thing you have grub so you can edit menu entries on the fly when in grub menu |
| 18:45.19 | jelly-home | ampex: it doesn't work |
| 18:45.23 | ampex | jelly-home: damnit :) |
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| 18:45.42 | beto84 | jelly-home: ok, will install and then remove the unnecesary packages. thanks |
| 18:45.42 | beto84 | ` |
| 18:45.43 | jelly-home | !tell ampex about damnit |
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| 18:46.13 | jelly-home | beto84: note, if you install with nvidia's installer, you don't get nice packages ;-) |
| 18:46.29 | ampex | jelly-home: since it's slang, dammit or damnit can be used |
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| 18:46.38 | jelly-home | ampex: dammit it can't |
| 18:46.53 | beto84 | jelly-home: suggestions? how to get latest nvidia nice packages? |
| 18:47.07 | ampex | I personally feel as though damnit is more correct, as stating it in correct english would be something akin to "damn it all" |
| 18:47.10 | ampex | hence "damnit" |
| 18:47.23 | ampex | mit is not a word |
| 18:47.31 | ampex | at least not used in that context |
| 18:47.51 | ampex | unless you are diverting a source of water from a baseball glove |
| 18:48.20 | ampex | dammitt |
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| 18:48.54 | ampex | damog: although google agrees with you :( |
| 18:48.55 | ampex | dammit |
| 18:48.56 | Jouva | ahh yay. thank you so much jelly |
| 18:48.57 | ampex | http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=damnit&word2=dammit |
| 18:49.04 | ampex | jelly-home: rather |
| 18:49.14 | Jouva | this works now |
| 18:49.22 | Jouva | bye guys thanks again |
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| 18:51.08 | jelly-home | ampex: HA! |
| 18:51.27 | askhader | What does it mean when apt-get says: Setting up udev (0.125-7+lenny3) .. |
| 18:52.22 | Spec | What sets up /dev/shm, and how can I make it noexec? Also, why is there a /tmp and a /dev/shm? Is it a good idea to bind /tmp to /dev/shm? |
| 18:52.30 | jhutchins_lt | askhader: It means apt-get has installed a new version of udev and dpkg is configuring it. |
| 18:52.40 | preseed | ok I can not get preseed to partition, I've tried in both ubuntu and now debian so I'm faily sure it's how I'm doing it. Here is the preseed config code to partition, does it look okay. http://pastebin.com/F6uBBBTt |
| 18:52.54 | mordocai | Okay, so with debian testing I have samba installed but cups doesn't show an option for adding windows printers via samba. Anyone know if any configuration changes need to be made? Or do i need more packages besides cups and samba? |
| 18:53.32 | askhader | jhutchins_lt: I'm on a linux-container where nothing is really able to write to /dev filesystem- how do I mitigate this? |
| 18:53.37 | jhutchins_lt | mordocai: Can the samba client see other shares? |
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| 18:54.13 | jhutchins_lt | askhader: Mitigate which? Is it stuck? |
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| 18:54.22 | askhader | jhutchins_lt: mknod: `//tmp/udev.rMsWJf/ppp': Operation not permitted |
| 18:54.25 | askhader | It fails on that |
| 18:54.28 | mordocai | jhutchins_lt: I'm not sure how to check. Never really used samba much. |
| 18:54.32 | askhader | Also Populating the new /dev filesystem temporarily mounted on /tmp/udev.rMsWJf/... |
| 18:54.50 | jhutchins_lt | mordocai: smbclient -L \\domain |
| 18:54.58 | jhutchins_lt | or \\server |
| 18:55.07 | dondelelcaro | mordocai: if you go to localhost:631, you should see under the add printer option Windows Printer via SAMBA |
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| 18:55.33 | jhutchins_lt | askhader: On an ordinary system I'd suspect you were out of RAM. |
| 18:55.56 | Sanitoeter | hey there, where are the kernel headers usually located? alsa wont compile because it wont find my headers .. |
| 18:55.59 | jhutchins_lt | mordocai: dondelelcaro means with a web browser. |
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| 18:56.23 | mordocai | dondelelcaro: yeah, i went there. The windows printer via SAMBA option isn't there. Of course, i'm connected via ssh and using elinks... but surely they have that in mind when they made the web UI? |
| 18:57.21 | dondelelcaro | mordocai: which version of cups is this? do you have smbclient installed as well? have you restarted cups? |
| 18:57.24 | Spec | Most things I'm reading mention that the tmpfs/dev/shm gets set up in /etc/fstab, but my fstab has no such entry. :( |
| 18:58.15 | jhutchins_lt | Spec: Not knowing how you got in such a situation makes it hard to guess what's wrong. You said "linux-container", I presume this is some sort of VM? |
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| 18:58.32 | dondelelcaro | Spec: a tmpfs on /tmp would, but not /dev/shm or /dev itself |
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| 18:59.07 | mordocai | dondelelcaro: Okay, that was it. I didn't have smbclient installed. The description said it was just command-line utilities for samba, i believe... so I didn't think it was needed for printing. |
| 18:59.22 | dondelelcaro | Spec: /etc/rcS.d/S04mountdevsubfs.sh is what handles /dev/shm |
| 18:59.27 | dondelelcaro | (and udev handles /dev) |
| 18:59.28 | sepult | why does ruby-cucul's man page not fit into 2048 KB ? |
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| 18:59.47 | sepult | it's getting truncated ere |
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| 19:00.00 | Spec | jhutchins_lt: uhh, that wasn't to me, was it? |
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| 19:00.48 | jhutchins_lt | Spec: Um, not the part about the VM. |
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| 19:01.25 | Spec | So how does one configure /dev/shm to be noexec? Alter the init script and hope an upgrade doesn't blow away the changes? |
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| 19:02.19 | lindi- | Spec: your changes to configuration files are always preserved |
| 19:02.37 | jhutchins_lt | Spec: Why? |
| 19:02.50 | Spec | lindi-: /etc/init.d/mountdevsubfs.sh is not a config file though. |
| 19:02.58 | lindi- | Spec: it is |
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| 19:03.06 | Spec | jhutchins_lt: Why would you want /dev/shm, which is world readable/writable, to not have exec privs? :p |
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| 19:03.33 | Spec | lindi-: So init scripts are considered config files and are preserved? neat. :) |
| 19:03.41 | jhutchins_lt | Spec: Seems to work ok on most systems. |
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| 19:04.24 | jhutchins_lt | Spec: Not somethign on the top ten list for "securing your linux server". |
| 19:04.36 | Spec | jhutchins_lt: nope, it's somewhere down around 70 |
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| 19:05.17 | lindi- | Spec: yes. see policy 10.7.1 |
| 19:05.50 | Spec | ah, it is written policy. good to know. |
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| 19:06.13 | lindi- | Spec: apt-get install debian-policy |
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| 19:10.40 | jhutchins_lt | Wish firefox had a "detach tab" option. |
| 19:10.46 | Justin | jhutchins_lt: drag it |
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| 19:12.47 | Texou | hi |
| 19:12.50 | allisterb | hi I got an issue with the rsync daemon script in init.d - it seems to be failing silently. I can run rsync --daemon fine but when I try to do /etc/init.d/rsync start nothing happens, no error message, nothing. Any ideas? |
| 19:13.04 | lindi- | allisterb: steace |
| 19:13.07 | lindi- | allisterb: strace |
| 19:13.40 | Justin | lindi-: no. |
| 19:14.29 | Justin | allisterb: sh -x /etc/init.d/rsync start |
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| 19:14.35 | Justin | allisterb: did you edit /etc/default/rsync? |
| 19:14.51 | allisterb | oh no I didn't |
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| 19:15.21 | i_am_error | having some problems downloading stable netinst from the official site getting a 404 |
| 19:15.22 | tau | hey, i would like get some intruduction for network administration system on linux. does anyone know of one book ? |
| 19:15.43 | xxtjaxx | tau: RUTE |
| 19:15.46 | tau | i find several stuffs on the internet but i am not sure on what one of them i should get. |
| 19:15.48 | xxtjaxx | sorry for the caps |
| 19:15.52 | tau | xxtjaxx: rute ? |
| 19:15.55 | xxtjaxx | rute |
| 19:16.06 | xxtjaxx | by paul sheer a lil dated but fine by me |
| 19:16.06 | tau | xxtjaxx: hm ? |
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| 19:16.13 | tau | xxtjaxx: sure. |
| 19:16.21 | tau | xxtjaxx: is it on the internet to download ? |
| 19:16.22 | i_am_error | any one have a direct link to an iso on a mirror? |
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| 19:16.30 | xxtjaxx | tau: sure |
| 19:16.33 | xxtjaxx | sec |
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| 19:16.47 | Texou | on my debian 5.0.5, I dont have anymore usb devices available (usbhost says "Unavailable"). an idea? I tried none /proc/bus/usb usbfs auto,busgid=104,busmode=0775,devgid=104,devmode=0664 0 0 in fstab |
| 19:16.50 | allisterb | ok yeah that's it - thanks guys |
| 19:17.22 | xxtjaxx | tau: http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html.gz |
| 19:17.38 | Justin | Texou: put your fstab back the way it was |
| 19:18.05 | Texou | Justin: it didn't work. That's why I added the line |
| 19:18.09 | tau | xxtjaxx: sure, but is it covering network systems ? |
| 19:18.24 | tau | xxtjaxx: i don't know much about networks, i would like to have a book to learn about it. |
| 19:18.38 | tau | and it to teach me how to use with linux. |
| 19:18.39 | Texou | hmm after upgrading I may not rebooted or restarted hal service |
| 19:20.01 | xxtjaxx | tau: read and feel enlightend its linux administration which is 90% networked services |
| 19:20.16 | tau | sure. |
| 19:20.18 | tau | xxtjaxx: thank you. |
| 19:20.23 | jhutchins_lt | Justin: Thanks. Should be keyboardable. |
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| 19:22.26 | tau | hey, xxtjaxx i find another link. |
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| 19:22.31 | tau | maybe it can be suited to me. |
| 19:22.41 | tau | xxtjaxx: http://oreilly.com/catalog/linag2/book/index.html is it a nice idea to read ? |
| 19:23.09 | tau | for a first view ? |
| 19:23.40 | jelly-home | tau: for the concepts, sure. Commands have changed since. |
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| 19:24.38 | tau | jelly-home: hmm , sure, i need really the concepts rather than the commands. don't you know of one text that teachs the concepts like that |
| 19:24.47 | tau | but having newer stuffs. |
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| 19:25.58 | jhutchins_lt | tau: http://tldp.org/LDP/sag/html/index.html |
| 19:26.03 | dashs | How bad an idea is dropbox? |
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| 19:27.07 | xxtjaxx | tau: it is really about networking but for a beginner (which I think you are) a book like rute should be good too |
| 19:27.29 | tau | jhutchins_lt: humm, i will take a look on that too. |
| 19:27.32 | tau | xxtjaxx: yeah. |
| 19:27.35 | xxtjaxx | tau: if you want the concepts rather read rfc's |
| 19:27.46 | jelly-home | dashs: there's quite a number of storage solutions built upon Amazon S3, so there's definitely something in that idea |
| 19:28.01 | tau | xxtjaxx: hmm, must I look at google just for 'rfc' ? |
| 19:28.33 | jelly-home | ,info dropbox |
| 19:28.35 | judd | No record of package 'dropbox' in lenny/i386. |
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| 19:28.44 | jelly-home | ,info dropbox --release sid |
| 19:28.47 | judd | dropbox (non-free/net, extra): Secure backup, sync and sharing made easy.. Version: 0.7.110-1+b2; Size: 11497.8k; Installed: 21272k; Homepage: http://www.dropbox.com/ |
| 19:29.04 | xxtjaxx | tau: RFC Request For Comments |
| 19:29.16 | dashs | thanks -- just hosed the install here |
| 19:29.40 | xxtjaxx | tau: how old are you and how much do you know about standards by now? |
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| 19:32.10 | tau | xxtjaxx: i am 24 years. |
| 19:32.24 | tau | xxtjaxx: i don't know much about linux and networs, i am learning it recently. |
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| 19:33.02 | blast_hardcheese | Is there something I can put in ~/.ssh/config that executes a command on successful connect |
| 19:33.07 | blast_hardcheese | s/$/?/ |
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| 19:34.35 | themill | blast_hardcheese: man ssh_config and see the imaginatively named "LocalCommand" |
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| 19:36.26 | tau | i gotta go. |
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| 19:37.37 | hochron | how do you view a gziped file? |
| 19:38.07 | dondelelcaro | hochron: zless or similar |
| 19:38.11 | AimHere | If it's a text file, zless or zmore |
| 19:38.36 | hochron | thanx dondelelcaro! |
| 19:38.50 | hochron | you too AimHere!! |
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| 19:41.17 | blast_hardcheese | themill: That's a local command though |
| 19:41.20 | blast_hardcheese | Not a remote command |
| 19:41.33 | xxtjaxx | tau good luck man read rute first try it out and then go on to the oreilly one |
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| 19:43.02 | tharkun | blast_hardcheese: also research special purposee keys on man sshd |
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| 19:44.52 | themill | blast_hardcheese: ahh... you configure that on the remote machine. There's ~/.ssh/rc for that generically for all logins or you can do it with your command line at the local end |
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| 19:51.54 | MNZ | Hi. I am on squeeze and I'm facing a strange problem with apache. When I try to access it from the localhost it stops midway through the file transfer and the threads go into keepalive mode and eventually close connection, while iceweasel/wget has still not got all the data. |
| 19:52.33 | MNZ | When a friend of mine access it from outside my LAN, it works just fine. |
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| 19:52.59 | blast_hardcheese | themill: Ah, gotcha, thanks |
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| 19:54.28 | dondelelcaro | MNZ: we're going to need more details; is it just serving static pages? does it work when you use GET? |
| 19:54.39 | dondelelcaro | MNZ: what is the output from localhost/server-status when that's happening? |
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| 19:55.12 | MNZ | dondelelcaro, I tried with just simple static pages and disabled php5.3 just to make sure. Same thing. And it works with my friend |
| 19:55.39 | MNZ | server-status is how I found out the threads where going into keepalive and clossing the connection |
| 19:56.26 | dondelelcaro | MNZ: if they're going into keepalive, that means that they've presumably sent all of the information |
| 19:56.33 | MNZ | yes, I realized that |
| 19:56.42 | MNZ | which is weird. |
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| 19:56.55 | MNZ | Can they send it too fast :D lol |
| 19:56.56 | dondelelcaro | MNZ: does http://localhost/server-status work properly? |
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| 19:57.33 | MNZ | yes, sometimes. Everything accessed from localhost sometimes works and sometimes not |
| 19:57.46 | MNZ | sometimes it refuses to accept connections from localhost altogether |
| 19:58.02 | dondelelcaro | MNZ: this actually sounds more like you've got some kind of routing issue |
| 19:58.10 | MNZ | the browser/wget gets stuck on 'connecting' and telnet on 'Trying 127.0.0.1' |
| 19:58.23 | MNZ | what kind of routing issue! I'm just accessing localhost.... |
| 19:58.29 | dondelelcaro | MNZ: what is the output of ip addr; cat /etc/hosts; ? |
| 19:59.10 | dondelelcaro | MNZ: the output of netstat -plunt; as root will also be useful |
| 19:59.24 | MNZ | well... the mtu of lo is 16436.... why does that sound wrong? |
| 19:59.30 | dondelelcaro | that's fine |
| 19:59.31 | lindi- | when I a bug report is closed by upload, I'd like to get email only when the upload has actually reached mirrors so that I can test it right away. Is there something existing that'd support this? |
| 19:59.36 | ampex | MNZ: that's the default |
| 19:59.39 | lindi- | s/ I / / |
| 19:59.41 | dondelelcaro | lindi-: no |
| 20:00.07 | dondelelcaro | lindi-: when you get that e-mail, the upload has hit the main mirror, and has been processed |
| 20:00.23 | dondelelcaro | lindi-: it may not have been built for your archictecture, or your mirror may not have updated, but there's no easy way to know if that's the case |
| 20:00.25 | lindi- | dondelelcaro: so should I code this delay in my email client? |
| 20:00.33 | dondelelcaro | lindi-: if you want |
| 20:00.47 | lindi- | dondelelcaro: well I keep forgetting the emails :) |
| 20:00.58 | dondelelcaro | lindi-: or you could just get the source, build it, then test it if it isn't available on your mirror |
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| 20:01.10 | lindi- | dondelelcaro: I have like 10 bug report mails marked as "important" while they are in reality only waiting for the binaries to appear for testing |
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| 20:01.20 | dondelelcaro | or use delay mail or similar to resend the mail to you |
| 20:01.25 | lindi- | dondelelcaro: on armel architecture building is bit slow |
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| 20:01.53 | lindi- | dondelelcaro: ideally there would be some sort of program that'd understand the format of debbugs mails |
| 20:02.01 | dondelelcaro | lindi-: nah, you don't even need to do that |
| 20:02.18 | lindi- | dondelelcaro: but it'd offer a lot of other possibilities |
| 20:02.55 | MNZ | tcp port 80 has nothing listening on it! but tcp6 does. Now that can't be right? |
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| 20:03.29 | jelly-home | !bindv6only |
| 20:03.29 | dpkg | As of netbase 4.38, net.ipv6.bindv6only=1 is set, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2009/10/msg00541.html . This currently breaks networking in Java for sun-java6-jdk (openjdk-6 is fixed as of version 6b18~pre1-3), see http://bugs.debian.org/560044 for solutions. In short, sed -i 's/net.ipv6.bindv6only = 1/net.ipv6.bindv6only = 0/' /etc/sysctl.d/bindv6only.conf ; invoke-rc.d procps restart. This issue is not present on Lenny. |
| 20:03.55 | lindi- | dondelelcaro: for example http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=586366 -- I don't see where I could even get the source yet |
| 20:04.35 | jelly-home | MNZ: see if setting that to 0 and restarting your app makes it behave more like you expect it to |
| 20:04.43 | MNZ | jelly-home, but how is my friend connecting to it then?? |
| 20:04.48 | lindi- | dondelelcaro: I really hate that I have to keep those emails waiting in my inbox for days :) |
| 20:05.12 | jelly-home | MNZ: not over the localhost address? |
| 20:05.17 | dondelelcaro | lindi-: that was actually just processed; it'll be available in the next dinstall |
| 20:05.33 | lindi- | dondelelcaro: yes but that is tomorrow? |
| 20:05.41 | dondelelcaro | lindi-: nah, it'll happen in a few hours |
| 20:06.01 | MNZ | no, that's the trouble. Someone connecting from outside my network works just fine. And wireshark is reporting TCP/IPv4 AFAICT |
| 20:06.08 | lindi- | dondelelcaro: it's been four hours already :P |
| 20:06.12 | MNZ | I don't even have a v6 address anyway |
| 20:06.25 | dondelelcaro | lindi-: yeah, it happens every 6 hours |
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| 20:06.47 | jelly-home | MNZ: by default in debian you do. Just not a public one |
| 20:06.53 | MNZ | I know |
| 20:07.01 | MNZ | I meant I don't have a public ipv6 addr. |
| 20:07.42 | MNZ | umm but apache should show as listening on ipv4 too right? |
| 20:08.19 | MNZ | http://pastebin.com/dSqv8zkv |
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| 20:08.57 | MNZ | anyway I'm pretty sure it's listening on ipv4, because I'm accessing it through 127.0.0.1 |
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| 20:10.24 | jelly-home | MNZ: and does http://localhost/ still not work? |
| 20:10.28 | MNZ | Also, the friend thing. Can this have something to do with the kernel? I'm on 2.6.35-rc3, not the squeeze default |
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| 20:11.33 | MNZ | jelly-home, it's the same thing, sometimes it refuses connection, sometimes it connects then data is supposedly sent and iceweasel/wget hasn't got it |
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| 20:12.12 | MNZ | localhost resolves to the ipv6 addr right? |
| 20:12.14 | jelly-home | MNZ: did you upgrade the system between these "sometimes"? |
| 20:12.26 | jelly-home | MNZ: localhost resolves to what is written in /etc/hosts |
| 20:12.38 | MNZ | I just pinged it, it's v4 |
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| 20:12.59 | MNZ | by 'sometimes' I mean right now, as in request, wait 1 minute, request again |
| 20:13.15 | jelly-home | that is unusual. |
| 20:13.53 | MNZ | the system is an updated squeeze, except for libdrm/mesa/wine/kernel which are all git versions, but they shouldn't have anything to do with this (except perhaps the kernel) |
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| 20:15.15 | MNZ | unrelated: ip6-localhost resolves to 127.0.0.1 |
| 20:15.19 | MNZ | or is that related :D ? |
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| 20:15.48 | MACscr | im migrating a debian server to a new server. I already have debian installed on the new server and the users migrated. Now i need to compare the "packages" so that the new server has mysql, etc. Recommendations? |
| 20:15.53 | rahbertle | !topic |
| 20:16.59 | jhutchins_lt | MACscr: There's a way to do that with the dpkg system... |
| 20:17.55 | MACscr | jhutchins_lt: can ya give me a little more detail on that? |
| 20:17.58 | jelly-home | MNZ: does http://ip6-localhost/ work better? Can you test with, dunno, ab2? |
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| 20:18.13 | jelly-home | wait what |
| 20:18.16 | jhutchins_lt | MACscr: Digging... |
| 20:18.16 | pozic | jelly-home: The effective transfer speed I am getting (to a USB2 connected external harddisk) is 1.62GB/s, btw. This one was sold in summer 2009 and was new at the time. |
| 20:18.30 | jelly-home | pozic: that can't be right |
| 20:18.33 | pozic | jelly-home: make that per minute |
| 20:18.42 | MACscr | jhutchins_lt: something like dpkg --get-selections > /backup/installed-software.log ? |
| 20:18.48 | MNZ | jelly-home, I tried it already, it's the same. |
| 20:18.52 | Justin | pozic: that sounds about right |
| 20:18.58 | Justin | usb maxes out around 30MB/s |
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| 20:19.14 | jelly-home | pozic: yeah, that's USB2 limit, you won't get more than 25-30MB/s |
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| 20:19.33 | themill | MACscr: you have a couple of options: /msg dpkg aptitude clone ; /msg dpkg debian clone |
| 20:19.41 | jelly-home | pozic: if you can, connect it via eSATA |
| 20:19.41 | dv- | 30mb/s is enough for everyone |
| 20:19.58 | Justin | the annoying thing is that it is the limit of the bus |
| 20:19.59 | jelly-home | dv-: expect LTO3 tape drives and newer |
| 20:20.13 | jhutchins_lt | MACscr: http://freshmeat.net/projects/clone-debian/ is a script to do it. |
| 20:20.13 | jelly-home | except* |
| 20:20.16 | Justin | connect another drive and make a raid1 array and both drives will max out at 15MB/s |
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| 20:20.25 | jhutchins_lt | MACscr: I thought there was a simple option though. |
| 20:20.25 | FDfh | How can I make new keyboard shortcuts? |
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| 20:21.02 | jelly-home | MNZ: well... it shouldn't resolve to the ipv6 address! |
| 20:21.09 | MACscr | jhutchins_lt: from what i can see, i actually can just do dpkg --get-selections > /backup/installed-software.log, copy the log to the new server and then run: dpkg --set-selections < /backup/installed-software.log |
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| 20:21.33 | themill | MACscr: you'll lose information about what packages were automatically installed, however. You might want that information. |
| 20:21.47 | jhutchins_lt | MACscr: Yeah, people seem to want to mess with it, but that seems to be the general idea. |
| 20:21.56 | jhutchins_lt | themill: I thought there was a clone factoid... |
| 20:22.07 | jelly-home | !tell MACscr about aptitude clone |
| 20:22.17 | themill | jhutchins_lt: [21:19] <themill> MACscr: you have a couple of options: /msg dpkg aptitude clone ; /msg dpkg debian clone |
| 20:22.27 | jelly-home | damn. |
| 20:22.30 | FDfh | How can I make new keyboard shortcuts? It only tells how to edit existing shortcuts :( |
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| 20:24.05 | jhutchins_lt | themill: Ah, while I was off digging. Thanks. |
| 20:24.12 | themill | np |
| 20:24.28 | MNZ | I'm officially stumped. This is going to turn out to be some annoying kernel bug or something really really stupid I'm doing. |
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| 20:24.42 | themill | jhutchins_lt: "/msg dpkg listkeys clone" if you think there should be a "clone" factoid, btw |
| 20:25.21 | jhutchins_lt | listkeys, that's the option I was looking for. |
| 20:25.29 | jhutchins_lt | updates his cheat sheet again. |
| 20:26.15 | sunkan | Hi, I'm running Lenny with some packages from Squeeze (EGLIBC being one of them). Now if I compile a program that uses strlen it segfaults, is this a known issue? Is it due to the fact that I'm running a stable/testing mixed environment? |
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| 20:26.53 | MNZ | OMG. I think I'm about to cry. It's been almost a week of debugging... http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/linux/kernel/1237916 there you go |
| 20:27.03 | jelly-home | sunkan: all bets are off in a mixed environment |
| 20:27.35 | jhutchins_lt | sunkan: Yes, a known issue with running packages from different releases. |
| 20:27.56 | jelly-home | MNZ: serves you right for running a rc kernel! |
| 20:28.03 | sunkan | jelly-home: I guess, but have not run into something like this and have always had some computers running mixed env. for several years.. |
| 20:28.04 | MNZ | :( |
| 20:28.16 | MNZ | I need it for the radeon open source drivers! dammit |
| 20:29.21 | sunkan | But if it's known, I guess I'll update this computer to testing properly.. KDE4 is the reason I'm not on pure stable release right now.. Thanks for the info |
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| 20:29.36 | poisonbit | themill, I'm looking clone related factoids of dpkg bot... maybe "things to backup" lack of /var/spool/cron/crontabs (plain users crontabs) |
| 20:29.56 | jelly-home | MNZ: you "need" 3D, _and_ use channel bonding? What does this machine do? |
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| 20:30.52 | MACscr | who can i find out what repos are setup on my system? |
| 20:30.58 | MNZ | jelly-home, it's my laptop! I want to play games and I want to do audio editing and I want to run compiz. But I also want to develop websites :| |
| 20:31.00 | themill | poisonbit: yeah, there's lots of things in /var that people forget to add. I'll see if there's room to add it |
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| 20:31.40 | karlpinc | !tell MACscr about sources.list |
| 20:31.40 | poisonbit | MNZ, did you researched that? /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d |
| 20:32.03 | jelly-home | MNZ: er, does your machine have two ethernet cards in a bonding configuration? If it doesn't, that bug doesn't apply to you |
| 20:32.46 | FDfh | How can I make new keyboard shortcuts? It only tells how to edit existing shortcuts :( |
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| 20:32.59 | jelly-home | MNZ: use fglrx and the default kernel, meh |
| 20:33.03 | MNZ | jelly-home, I haven't read it through yet actually..... and no, not a bonding configuration (I don't even know what that is!) but I DO have to cards, one's wireless |
| 20:33.03 | tharkun | FDfh: on what wm? |
| 20:33.09 | MNZ | two* |
| 20:33.12 | MACscr | karlpinc: thanks! |
| 20:33.13 | FDfh | tharkun: gnome |
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| 20:33.17 | jelly-home | MNZ: that bug doesn't apply to you then. |
| 20:33.24 | tharkun | FDfh: sorry no gnome here |
| 20:33.32 | FDfh | :( |
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| 20:34.03 | deadchicken | What would cause the Debian installation DVD to output the message Cannot allocate resource region 0 of device 0000:00:1f.6? |
| 20:34.32 | MNZ | jelly-home, I just read the symptoms reported and made my assumptions... meh. I'll test it out though, will reboot into the default kernel |
| 20:34.42 | jelly-home | deadchicken: depends on what the PCI device at 0:00:1f.6 is |
| 20:34.51 | jelly-home | deadchicken: lspci -nn might help |
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| 20:35.20 | jelly-home | deadchicken: there's a shell to be opened on Control-Alt-F3 console or nearby |
| 20:35.53 | deadchicken | thanks. Let me try that |
| 20:36.05 | MACscr | Does this error mean anything to do guys? dpkg: unrecoverable fatal error, aborting: syntax error: unknown group `Debian-exim' in statoverride file |
| 20:36.05 | MACscr | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2) |
| 20:36.07 | deadchicken | jelly-home: Thanks. Let me try that. |
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| 20:36.56 | jelly-home | deadchicken: It won't solve the issue, but rather bring some light onto which device the kernel's talking about |
| 20:37.31 | jelly-home | MACscr: can you pastebin the whole output? |
| 20:38.13 | MACscr | jelly-home: http://pastebin.org/363883 |
| 20:38.58 | jelly-home | MACscr: mc-exim doesn't sound like a Debian package. |
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| 20:39.49 | jelly-home | MACscr: which debian release is this? care to pastebin your sources.list? |
| 20:39.59 | deadchicken | jelly-home: Are the first 4 0000 s always omitted when using lspci -nn |
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| 20:40.11 | bombba | hey, i'm trying to get two window managers running simultaniously with either Xnest or Xephir, but when i want to start the new window manager (stumpwm) besides the default GNOME one, then the cursor is just blinking, but there is no new wm (though ps -a shows that it is running), is "stumpwm -display :1.0" the right command/syntax? |
| 20:40.17 | jelly-home | deadchicken: sorry? |
| 20:40.44 | jelly-home | deadchicken: oh, a zero is a zero. |
| 20:41.14 | jelly-home | deadchicken: it's just a difference in formatting the same number |
| 20:41.45 | MACscr | jelly-home: its from a third party repo. Basically its for a commercial appliance that only allows you to install from iso (which includes debian 5, etc). Well that doesnt work well when your trying to setup a paravirtualized xen guest for it. So im migrating all the users/groups/packages, etc, over to the paravirtualized debian 5 guest and then running their installer from there. Obviously i need to get the base packages installed firs |
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| 20:42.27 | tharkun | MACscr: dd make iso file and plug it to your vm |
| 20:42.31 | deadchicken | jelly-home: The original error message said "Cannot allocate region 0 of device 0000:00:1f.6". lspci -nn lists the entry starting with 00:1f.6. I presume they are the same. However, it turned out to be the Signal processing controller: Intel Corporation Ibex Peak Thermal Subsystem, which is something I was not expecting. |
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| 20:43.13 | jelly-home | MACscr: missing libperl5.10 means you don't have the base system up yet |
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| 20:43.58 | MACscr | tharkun: how is that going to help? you cant install a xen pvm from an iso |
| 20:44.02 | jelly-home | MACscr: either that or you messed with it too much. I'd install that debian 5 instance from scratch |
| 20:44.13 | jelly-home | MACscr: you can't boot xen from iso? |
| 20:44.16 | MACscr | jelly-home: it is a fresh install |
| 20:44.31 | MACscr | jelly-home: not with a live cd |
| 20:44.39 | MACscr | not a pvm at least, you can with a hvm |
| 20:45.16 | jelly-home | MACscr: can you not copy all the contents file-wise? |
| 20:45.27 | jelly-home | MACscr: using rsync or whatnot |
| 20:45.27 | MACscr | jelly-home: i understand that libperl5.10 isnt setup, but aptitude will take care of that. I dont think thats what the error is about |
| 20:45.30 | MNZ | jelly-home, I don't know what's channel bonding, but the bug definitely applies to me. Everything works on 2.6.32 :D now I feel stupid. |
| 20:45.34 | tharkun | MACscr: sorry i confused myself i was thinking of KVM |
| 20:45.41 | MNZ | Thanks everyone for your help |
| 20:46.07 | jelly-home | MACscr: it's not; it's about parts of Debian's exim not being set up. How did you install this, debootstrap? |
| 20:46.46 | jelly-home | MNZ: it still doesn't mean that's your bug; it merely means there's a bug in that kernel that applies to you |
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| 20:47.41 | MNZ | someone on that thread says reverting that patch also fixes https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16188 |
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| 20:48.08 | jelly-home | MACscr: your fresh installation is missing bits of the base system. It's a weird installation. Get the whole base installed, then try your third-party packages. |
| 20:48.54 | MACscr | i ended up just rsyncing /var/lib/dpkg/statoverride from the old server to the new and it worked |
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| 20:49.39 | blast_hardcheese | Gah |
| 20:50.05 | blast_hardcheese | avahi-daemon is installed on a box, I can avahi-browse -t --all, and see all the boxes on my network |
| 20:50.10 | blast_hardcheese | I don't have anything in iptables, |
| 20:50.18 | blast_hardcheese | but I can't ping <box>.local |
| 20:50.32 | jelly-home | MACscr: I'd rsync it all, schedule downtime; stop all the services and rsync it again; voild |
| 20:50.34 | blast_hardcheese | Anything leap to mind? |
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| 20:50.38 | jelly-home | voila dammit |
| 20:50.49 | jelly-home | MACscr: mind the numeric ids. |
| 20:51.00 | MACscr | jelly-home: i can have downtime, thats no problem. I just know what all needs to be rsynced |
| 20:51.28 | MACscr | as there are obviously a few difference between the servers like kernels, partitions, etc |
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| 20:51.31 | MNZ | jelly-home, you know what's the funny thing? The fix is one line. Goodbye cruel world. |
| 20:51.34 | jelly-home | MACscr: that's easy! When switching hardware, we rsync _everything_ |
| 20:51.43 | themill | blast_hardcheese: libnss-mdns installed? |
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| 20:51.59 | blast_hardcheese | themill: Yep |
| 20:52.06 | blast_hardcheese | and updated to the latest version |
| 20:52.16 | jelly-home | MACscr: kernel, fstab, bootloader, /etc/udev/rules.d/70* can be dealt with separately |
| 20:52.34 | jelly-home | MNZ: did it work? |
| 20:52.41 | themill | blast_hardcheese: and /etc/nsswitch.conf lists "mdns" under the hosts section? |
| 20:52.51 | blast_hardcheese | themill: It doesn |
| 20:52.53 | blast_hardcheese | 't |
| 20:53.30 | blast_hardcheese | themill: however, mdns isn't listed on any of the other boxes that that actually does work on |
| 20:53.31 | MNZ | jelly-home, have yet to find out. need to build it and reboot. But I'm pretty sure, because Fixed by e897082fe7a5b591dc4dd5599ac39081a7c8e482 (net: fix deliver_no_wcard |
| 20:53.32 | MNZ | regression on loopback device) in net-2.6. |
| 20:54.13 | jelly-home | MNZ: that oneliner patch seems more relevant. |
| 20:54.14 | themill | blast_hardcheese: oh? odd. |
| 20:54.51 | MNZ | jelly-home, yeah. Building. |
| 20:55.16 | blast_hardcheese | themill: Yeah... That box in particular is unique, as it's going through an Apple device, a "Time Capsule". That could be causing an issue |
| 20:55.31 | blast_hardcheese | I can ping the hosts directly by IP, so I'll do that until I switch the hardware around. |
| 20:55.37 | blast_hardcheese | I need to move some of my servers anyway. |
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| 21:02.07 | robertzaccour | dpkg you're funny |
| 21:02.07 | dpkg | robertzaccour: AND YOU'RE NOT! |
| 21:02.15 | robertzaccour | dpkg i'm funny |
| 21:02.15 | dpkg | robertzaccour: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 21:02.27 | robertzaccour | dpkg, you RTFM |
| 21:02.27 | dpkg | I resemble that remark! |
| 21:03.35 | tharkun | !tell robertzaccour about boy abuse |
| 21:03.44 | robertzaccour | whats boy abuse? |
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| 21:03.54 | tharkun | !boy abuse |
| 21:03.54 | dpkg | RAPE! RAPE!! Don't ever come near me again! |
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| 21:04.22 | robertzaccour | dpkg is funnier than ubottu |
| 21:04.22 | dpkg | robertzaccour: are you using Windows? |
| 21:04.31 | themill | robertzaccour: enough... |
| 21:04.33 | robertzaccour | dpkg, are you using windows? |
| 21:04.35 | dpkg | robertzaccour: I give up, what is it? |
| 21:04.43 | robertzaccour | he asked me first |
| 21:06.06 | jelly-home | robertzaccour: stop messing with the bot |
| 21:06.27 | robertzaccour | he asked me if i use windows. don't know why, but i asked him the same back |
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| 21:07.23 | Funar | how do i install java |
| 21:07.28 | Funar | sun-java on debian |
| 21:07.33 | themill | dpkg: tell Funar about install java |
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| 21:08.15 | robertzaccour | Funar, i just did it a few minutes ago |
| 21:08.28 | robertzaccour | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1483584 except its su furst and don't use sudo |
| 21:09.05 | Funar | ok |
| 21:09.07 | themill | Funar: umm... don't do what robertzaccour said, follow what dpkg told you. |
| 21:09.12 | Funar | lawl |
| 21:09.49 | themill | robertzaccour: those instructions have nothing to do with debian. Please don't do that. |
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| 21:10.11 | Funar | theres a ton of random dependencies that i don't seem to have |
| 21:10.13 | Funar | ... |
| 21:10.36 | themill | Funar: you need to be far more specific than that. /msg dpkg bat |
| 21:10.45 | robertzaccour | excuse me for helping a user with the same issue i had earlier. the sad part is that an ubuntu user helped him on his way out before his own debian guys would that were staying in the room. and yes that was a valid method for installing java |
| 21:11.18 | themill | robertzaccour: which part of "sudo add-apt-repository "deb http://archive.canonical.com/ lucid partner"" makes sense for debian again? |
| 21:11.19 | robertzaccour | talk about the good samaritan |
| 21:11.21 | robertzaccour | later yall |
| 21:11.31 | robertzaccour | i said except su at first and forget sudo |
| 21:11.45 | themill | *sigh* |
| 21:12.22 | dv- | heh |
| 21:12.31 | poisonbit | ohmmmmmmm |
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| 21:13.02 | dv- | what's that? meditation? |
| 21:13.13 | Funar | themill i want to be able to run a .jar |
| 21:13.16 | poisonbit | yes, mantra ohm |
| 21:13.17 | Funar | is that JRE or JDK |
| 21:13.28 | poisonbit | usualy jre |
| 21:13.32 | themill | Funar: sun-java6-jre should be sufficient |
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| 21:13.39 | poisonbit | maybe there is a reademe near the .jar |
| 21:13.54 | Funar | it's not in my cache |
| 21:14.12 | Funar | apt-cache search sun-java yields nothing |
| 21:14.21 | themill | Funar: did you add "contrib" and "non-free" to your sources.list as dpkg suggested? |
| 21:14.28 | Funar | how do i do that |
| 21:14.35 | themill | dpkg: tell Funar about non-free sources |
| 21:14.52 | Funar | by non-free that means i'd have to pay? |
| 21:14.58 | poisonbit | no |
| 21:15.05 | Funar | oh |
| 21:15.19 | poisonbit | means something about the debian social contract, do you know it? it is nice :) |
| 21:15.26 | poisonbit | DFSG, etc |
| 21:15.28 | jelly-home | !tell Funar about non-free |
| 21:15.30 | themill | Funar: no, it means that it doesn't meet the Debian Free Software Guidelines. /msg dpkg dfsg |
| 21:15.32 | jelly-home | !tell Funar about install java |
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| 21:15.36 | Funar | ah ok |
| 21:15.49 | themill | lagging jelly-home! |
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| 21:17.11 | jelly-home | /o\ |
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| 21:20.22 | Spec | How does one set password-aging-related stuff in Debian? Is that controlled by PAM, and can there be global settings, or is it all done by shadow/chage, on a per-user basis? |
| 21:21.11 | Funar | wow this install takes way too much time |
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| 21:21.25 | MNZ | jelly-home, in case you are curious, it worked |
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| 21:22.17 | jelly-home | MNZ: nice |
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| 21:25.46 | Funar | how do i open a jar now |
| 21:26.18 | AimHere | Ask a big strapping man to open it for you |
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| 21:26.27 | Funar | you're cool |
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| 21:28.12 | intx | is hosts.deny processed first, or hosts.allow? |
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| 21:29.16 | poisonbit | man 5 hosts_access |
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| 21:32.08 | quuxman | hi, I'm looking for a very simple easy to configure DNS server so *.localhost will resolve |
| 21:32.19 | quuxman | According to a quick google search, it's not ok to put wild cards in /etc/hosts |
| 21:32.45 | Spec | bind? |
| 21:32.48 | quuxman | for now this would just be for localhost |
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| 21:33.15 | quuxman | Spec: uhm, didn't I say "very simple" and "easy to configure"? In my experience bind is very far from that |
| 21:33.26 | Spec | I've never found it incredibly hard to configure bind. |
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| 21:34.00 | poisonbit | tinydns+dnscache is easy to setup |
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| 21:34.24 | poisonbit | but are like qmail, djberstein "way" tools |
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| 21:35.39 | poisonbit | dnsmasq |
| 21:35.48 | poisonbit | (apt-get install) |
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| 21:36.32 | poisonbit | I don't know if dnsmasq handles * tinydns does |
| 21:36.44 | quuxman | poisonbit: thanks, I'll check out tinydns |
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| 21:37.10 | poisonbit | anyway bind is not that hard for only one simple local domain |
| 21:37.16 | poisonbit | :) |
| 21:37.38 | tharkun | configure one zone and thats it |
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| 21:39.20 | eli_ | I have just learn how to work with filesystems in debian. I use fdisk to create partitions and mkfs to format it in ext3. This works fine for me, but now I see another tool named parted and wonder what it provides and why it should be used? |
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| 21:39.59 | poisonbit | eli_, it is like fdisk, you will need still mkfs |
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| 21:40.23 | poisonbit | it should be used as documented in their maual :) |
| 21:40.31 | tharkun | eli_: new command "man" helpfull when you don't have a clue onwhat a command does |
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| 21:42.04 | eli_ | I also read that parted got some problems with ext3 is it true? I will also look more in to the man pages when bumping in to new commands |
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| 21:43.11 | quuxman | poisonbit: can't find tinydns in the squeeze repository |
| 21:43.43 | poisonbit | djbdns ? |
| 21:43.45 | poisonbit | == |
| 21:44.14 | quuxman | poisonbit: no installation candidate |
| 21:44.14 | poisonbit | did you check dnsmasq? is much more simple than a dns _server_ |
| 21:44.26 | quuxman | poisonbit: all it does is forward requests, AFAICT |
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| 21:45.25 | tharkun | quuxman: try dbndns or djbdns thosee are the package names |
| 21:46.17 | poisonbit | maybe it is in nonfree or somthing like, i'm in stable now can't check squeeze, only packages.debian.org, but thats not my work :) |
| 21:47.19 | poisonbit | |versions djbdns |
| 21:47.25 | poisonbit | !versions djbdns |
| 21:47.30 | poisonbit | @versions djbdns |
| 21:47.33 | poisonbit | arff |
| 21:47.33 | tharkun | , versuibs djbdns |
| 21:47.43 | tharkun | , versions djbdns |
| 21:47.44 | judd | djbdns -- etch-backports: 1:1.05-2~bpo40+1; lenny: 1:1.05-4+lenny1; lenny-security: 1:1.05-4+lenny1; sid: 1:1.05-8; experimental: 1:1.05-9~exp0 |
| 21:47.56 | poisonbit | ouch, it is in all but squeeze |
| 21:48.02 | tharkun | ,versions dbndns |
| 21:48.04 | judd | dbndns -- lenny: 1:1.05-4+lenny1; lenny-security: 1:1.05-4+lenny1; sid: 1:1.05-8; experimental: 1:1.05-9~exp0 |
| 21:48.10 | themill | !why us djbdns not in testing |
| 21:48.14 | themill | !why is djbdns not in testing |
| 21:48.14 | dpkg | djbdns is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=djbdns |
| 21:48.22 | themill | oh so much fail in one place |
| 21:48.58 | simonrvn | hehehe |
| 21:50.09 | eli_ | any clue why parted is not pre packed in debian stable? |
| 21:50.44 | poisonbit | eli, it is |
| 21:50.47 | qq- | , versions parted |
| 21:50.47 | judd | parted -- etch: 1.7.1-5.1; lenny: 1.8.8.git.2008.03.24-11.1; sid: 2.2-7; squeeze: 2.2-7 |
| 21:51.08 | eli_ | ok |
| 21:51.15 | simonrvn | dpkg: tell eli_ -about search |
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| 21:52.02 | pozic | Does anyone have any actual experience with partimage? |
| 21:52.16 | pozic | What is the chance a backup failed for example? |
| 21:52.30 | pozic | If there is a failure, is there a complete failure? |
| 21:52.37 | pozic | Partial, per file? |
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| 21:52.55 | pozic | Is there a way to verify a backup? |
| 21:53.02 | simonrvn | ls? ;p |
| 21:53.17 | pozic | simonrvn: ls shows a lot of files, and the file sizes are OK. |
| 21:53.30 | simonrvn | md5sum/sha*sum ? |
| 21:53.32 | pozic | simonrvn: that doesn't mean they don't contain random data. |
| 21:53.43 | pozic | simonrvn: the backup works via image files. |
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| 21:54.11 | jamesstanley | Every 10 minutes and 4 seconds (roughly) my disk makes a noise similar to thrashing for about a second |
| 21:54.16 | simonrvn | fucked if i know then |
| 21:54.19 | jamesstanley | Can anyone suggest how I'd go about finding out what program does this? |
| 21:54.36 | petemc | jamesstanley: iotop |
| 21:54.44 | jamesstanley | petemc: ah, thank you |
| 21:54.45 | jelly-home | pozic: you can't even md5sum the source and destination filesystems if partimage skipped the unused blocks |
| 21:54.48 | quuxman | bah. You should be able to put wildcards in /etc/hosts :) |
| 21:54.54 | jamesstanley | i tried using normal top but (obviously) it wasn't using much cpu time |
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| 21:55.24 | pozic | jelly-home: right. |
| 21:55.32 | simonrvn | it's meant to not use much (nless you change the timer ;p) |
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| 21:55.56 | jelly-home | themill: "djbdns is not in testing because ftpmasters are gits" |
| 21:56.10 | themill | jelly-home: two RC bugs? |
| 21:56.20 | pozic | jelly-home: can I do a partial unimage operation? |
| 21:56.34 | pozic | jelly-home: I am sorry, I will first RTFM. |
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| 21:56.49 | simonrvn | unimages pozic and sticks him in the trash bin |
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| 21:56.53 | jelly-home | themill: hmwait, might have mixed it up with qmail ;-) |
| 21:57.08 | Funaust | how do i add non-free to my sources list |
| 21:57.18 | simonrvn | with a text editor |
| 21:57.28 | Funaust | ya but wheres SOURCES.list |
| 21:57.28 | Funaust | :P |
| 21:57.41 | [XeN] | /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 21:57.46 | Funaust | ah |
| 21:57.51 | [XeN] | ;) |
| 21:57.53 | simonrvn | where it should be, hopefully. |
| 21:58.18 | Funaust | kk... now what do i add for non-free |
| 21:58.23 | [XeN] | for the future try 'find/ | grep sources.list' |
| 21:58.29 | themill | Funaust: same place it was when dpkg told you a little while ago |
| 21:58.34 | jelly-home | themill: oh yeah, that one RC bug is pretty much "djbdns can't go in because it's vulnerable to the same cache poisoning issue as _any other dns cache_" |
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| 21:58.55 | simonrvn | some logic sequence there... |
| 21:58.58 | jelly-home | themill: $employer is using it backported in production |
| 21:59.13 | MACscr | jelly-home: ok, im starting from scratch and am going to try to rsync everything. What things did you mention that i should exclude from the rsync? |
| 21:59.17 | [XeN] | Funaust, add a non-free behind the 'deb http:some.url/debian/ main ' |
| 21:59.26 | themill | jelly-home: except more so, according to the bug log. And there's a patch available that no-one seems interested in applying to any release |
| 21:59.26 | MACscr | im assuming /boot is one |
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| 21:59.51 | Funaust | ugh |
| 21:59.52 | Funaust | o |
| 21:59.55 | Funaust | i need to update first |
| 22:00.05 | [XeN] | you need to update after |
| 22:00.11 | Funaust | right |
| 22:00.11 | Funaust | that |
| 22:00.14 | Funaust | i did the first thing |
| 22:00.21 | jelly-home | themill: that's more-so is still only a magnitude of order |
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| 22:01.40 | jelly-home | MACscr: I wouldn't exclude anything, but rather take care of the kernel, boot loader, fstab, (hostname if needed, /msg dpkg hostname; ip address as well) and that udev thing after the final rsync |
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| 22:02.35 | MACscr | jelly-home: why take care of it afterwards when you can just exclude it and not be bothered with it? |
| 22:03.18 | jelly-home | MACscr: packages will be a bit messed up, then |
| 22:03.45 | jelly-home | you might or might not care or not have your kernels packaged at all |
| 22:03.47 | jamesstanley | petemc: weird. iotop didn't notice anything |
| 22:07.05 | jelly-home | jamesstanley: atop is similar and can be used to inspect the behaviour in the past (can run as a service that does logging) |
| 22:07.16 | jamesstanley | ok |
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| 22:08.51 | petemc | jamesstanley: you can enable verbose logging of whats using the hard disk with echo 1 > /proc/sys/vm/block_dump |
| 22:09.04 | jamesstanley | seems to be a minor bug in atop. the "seconds elapsed" counter seems to be uninitialised the first time it is displayed |
| 22:09.08 | tharkun | vim-full had no gtk or gnome support, what is the new package name? |
| 22:09.15 | jamesstanley | petemc: is that for iotop or atop or? |
| 22:09.25 | jelly-home | petemc: and then syslog will trash the disk the whole time! :-) |
| 22:09.32 | simonrvn | !tell tharkun -about search |
| 22:09.48 | petemc | jelly-home: this is true |
| 22:09.57 | jelly-home | jamesstanley: neither, it's a kernel tunable that makes is really verbose wrt who's accessing the block devices |
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| 22:10.03 | jamesstanley | ok |
| 22:10.12 | jamesstanley | i'll enable it when i'm coming up to a scheduled thrashing |
| 22:10.23 | jamesstanley | i've closed a couple of javascript-heavy tabs in iceweasel so it might not happen at all this time |
| 22:10.24 | jelly-home | jamesstanley: try it (before) and see whnat happens in dmesg / kern.log |
| 22:10.28 | tharkun | simonrvn: thx, i have a bunch of vim which all seem to depend on gtk, and i am rather confused. Believe me i woouldn't ask if i could get the answer for myself |
| 22:10.29 | jamesstanley | in which case i'll know the cause |
| 22:10.30 | simonrvn | thinks it's a cron job |
| 22:10.41 | jamesstanley | simonrvn: i couldn't find any running every 10 minutes |
| 22:10.46 | jamesstanley | and also it drifts by a couple of seconds each time |
| 22:10.51 | jordanm | tharkun: try -R |
| 22:10.51 | jamesstanley | so it's every 10 minutes and a few seconds |
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| 22:11.07 | jamesstanley | which makes me think it's a sleep(600) rather than a cron job |
| 22:11.19 | simonrvn | possibly |
| 22:11.23 | jelly-home | jamesstanley: I'd also keep a terminal or two running vmstat 1 and iostat -x 1 ;-) |
| 22:11.52 | jamesstanley | E: Couldn't find package iostat |
| 22:11.53 | jelly-home | jamesstanley: pgrep -f 'sleep 600' ? :-) |
| 22:11.58 | jelly-home | sysstat package |
| 22:12.06 | jamesstanley | jelly-home: haha, i was talking a c library sleep |
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| 22:12.37 | jelly-home | jamesstanley: well some services really have that sleep 600! (innd by default) |
| 22:12.44 | simonrvn | tharkun: apt-cache search vim gtk |
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| 22:13.18 | tharkun | simonrvn: precisely what i don't want |
| 22:13.45 | tharkun | simonrvn: but thx anyway it is the attitude that counts :) |
| 22:13.48 | simonrvn | uh what? didn't you say you wanted gtk+vim? |
| 22:14.00 | tharkun | no, i wanted vim full without gtk |
| 22:14.05 | simonrvn | ooh |
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| 22:14.14 | tharkun | in sarge you had it but it somehow changed :( |
| 22:14.22 | aguitel | how reconfigure gdm ? |
| 22:14.25 | simonrvn | sorry :). vim-full doe it iirc |
| 22:14.30 | simonrvn | does |
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| 22:14.31 | jamesstanley | simonrvn: will the lesstif version do? |
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| 22:14.35 | jamesstanley | oh right |
| 22:15.02 | jamesstanley | *tharkun |
| 22:15.26 | bombba | has anyone here used Xnest or Xephyr on Debian? will it run? |
| 22:15.33 | jamesstanley | it runs perfecylu |
| 22:15.41 | jamesstanley | or it did last time i tried it which was a while ago |
| 22:15.41 | simonrvn | not in a while. yes it does. |
| 22:15.59 | nizmic | i use Xephyr and haven't had any problems |
| 22:16.12 | tharkun | jamesstanley: thx i'll take tcl out to see if it will install and how much it breakes. thx |
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| 22:16.46 | bombba | can i use Xnest / Xephyr to run multiple window managers simultaniously? |
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| 22:17.26 | jamesstanley | bombba: you can do that anyway by running them on separate virtual terminals |
| 22:17.32 | jamesstanley | but yes you can do it with Xnest or Xephyr |
| 22:18.03 | bombba | so i could do it without Xnest / Xephyr? how could this be done? |
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| 22:18.24 | edguitar | hola |
| 22:18.41 | jamesstanley | bombba: if you use gdm, running "gdmflexiserver" will make it open a new login screen, otherwise you can run "xinit /path/to/window/manager -- :1" from vt1 for example |
| 22:18.51 | jamesstanley | i wrote the xinit line from memory and it might be slightly wrong |
| 22:19.04 | edguitar | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.5/i386/bt-cd/ |
| 22:19.24 | edguitar | cuales escojo para tener desktop |
| 22:19.30 | edguitar | solo lo necesary |
| 22:19.35 | tharkun | !es |
| 22:19.36 | dpkg | Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat |
| 22:20.12 | simonrvn | or just startx foo -- :X |
| 22:20.17 | edguitar | ok, i understand, thank you... |
| 22:20.21 | tharkun | simonrvn, jamesstanley: fwiw either you use vim-tiny or vim-gtk from the repos. Or download it from upstream .-( |
| 22:20.29 | jamesstanley | ah that sucks |
| 22:20.32 | simonrvn | oh poop |
| 22:20.39 | edguitar | freenode.net?¿ |
| 22:20.45 | simonrvn | -tiny has support for '' |
| 22:20.45 | jelly-home | tharkun: what's wrong with just "vim"? |
| 22:20.58 | tharkun | edguitar: either freenode or oftc.net |
| 22:21.16 | tharkun | jelly-home: it pulls vim-gtk |
| 22:21.23 | edguitar | ok, see you |
| 22:21.23 | jelly-home | tharkun: weeird |
| 22:21.26 | bombba | jamesstanley: gtk-warning: can not open display - when running gdmflexiserver |
| 22:22.45 | jelly-home | tharkun: which debian release? |
| 22:22.56 | tharkun | jelly-home: vim-nox seems to be the one |
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| 22:23.16 | simonrvn | ah |
| 22:23.28 | jelly-home | great, why'd they change that |
| 22:23.33 | jelly-home | tharkun: which debian release? |
| 22:23.44 | tharkun | lenny |
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| 22:24.08 | jelly-home | tharkun: mh, in lenny installing "vim" on top fo a base system doesn't get me the gtk one. |
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| 22:24.56 | jordanm | tharkun: did you try with -R ? |
| 22:24.59 | tharkun | jelly-home: I will not rule out a fu on my part |
| 22:25.02 | simonrvn | haha |
| 22:25.16 | tharkun | jordanm: the -R feature will let me only look at the file without editing |
| 22:25.16 | simonrvn | * 2 |
| 22:25.17 | bombba | jamesstanley: "xinit /path/to/window/manager -- :1" gives fatal server error, but "xinit /path/to/window/manager -- :2" gives me at least the usual "X screen" with the cross cursor and the grey background, but how do i really run the other wm and will i be able to switch between them? |
| 22:25.24 | tharkun | jordanm: but thx anyway |
| 22:25.28 | jelly-home | tharkun: what is the exact command that want to pull vim-gtk in? |
| 22:25.36 | jelly-home | ,depends vim |
| 22:25.38 | judd | vim -- depends: vim-common (= 1:7.1.314-3+lenny2), vim-runtime (= 1:7.1.314-3+lenny2), libacl1 (>= 2.2.11-1), libc6 (>= 2.7-1), libgpm2 (>= 1.20.4), libncurses5 (>= 5.6+20071006-3), libselinux1 (>= 2.0.59). |
| 22:25.43 | jelly-home | ,depends vim-runtime |
| 22:25.45 | judd | vim-runtime -- depends: dpkg (>= 1.14.20). |
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| 22:25.51 | jelly-home | ,recommends vim-runtime |
| 22:25.54 | judd | vim-runtime -- recommends: vim | vim-gnome | vim-gtk | vim-lesstif | vim-nox | vim-tiny. |
| 22:26.01 | simonrvn | ah |
| 22:26.05 | jelly-home | can you spell "circular dependency" |
| 22:26.13 | simonrvn | in my sleep |
| 22:26.26 | themill | apt wouldn't drag in vim-g* for that, however |
| 22:26.54 | jelly-home | not on a clean base system, but apparently on tharkun's setup it would |
| 22:27.30 | jelly-home | wtf,is vin-nox then |
| 22:27.34 | themill | jelly-home: "vim" is already satisfied by "aptitude install vim" |
| 22:27.55 | tharkun | Well i have vim-nox up and running so i will not poke at apt or dpkg any more on this machine (for the momment) |
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| 22:28.07 | bombba | jamesstanley: moreover, how can i stop one particular wm again? |
| 22:28.29 | jelly-home | themill: well I'm satisfied as well then |
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| 22:28.42 | jelly-home | is a joe user anyway |
| 22:29.05 | jelly-home | but all the other admins want vim for some reason |
| 22:29.09 | themill | !pal jelly-home |
| 22:29.10 | dpkg | points at jelly-home and laughs uproariously |
| 22:29.12 | streuner_ | argh |
| 22:29.33 | streuner_ | dpkg, start a editior war |
| 22:29.33 | dpkg | i don't know, streuner_ |
| 22:29.48 | streuner_ | dpkg, start an editor war |
| 22:29.48 | dpkg | nano is known to cause birth defects! |
| 22:29.59 | streuner_ | lol |
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| 22:30.01 | jelly-home | dpkg: word |
| 22:30.01 | dpkg | word to your mutha! |
| 22:30.06 | bombba | jamesstanley: ? |
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| 22:35.40 | khaleel5000 | how do you reboot x from commandline? |
| 22:35.57 | streuner_ | startx? |
| 22:36.12 | khaleel5000 | i have x session running, i want to stop it then start again |
| 22:36.21 | khaleel5000 | ......like when installing drivers etc |
| 22:36.37 | jelly-home | khaleel5000: do you have a graphical login screen normally? |
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| 22:36.49 | khaleel5000 | jelly-home: yes |
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| 22:37.07 | jelly-home | khaleel5000: /etc/init.d/gdm restart (or stop if that's what you want) |
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| 22:37.42 | jelly-home | assuming you're using the default Gnome desktop environment |
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| 22:38.06 | jelly-home | !customer |
| 22:38.06 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
| 22:39.11 | streuner_ | jelly: or he just follow your advice |
| 22:39.37 | jelly-home | streuner_: that's what I said! |
| 22:39.50 | streuner_ | hm |
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| 22:40.16 | jelly-home | !qotd0 |
| 22:40.16 | dpkg | <bja> deniz: take it easy on sudo, it looks like you are using ubuntu |
| 22:40.44 | jelly-home | I did start writing sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart |
| 22:41.41 | bombba | in general, how do i install a new window manager so taht it will appear on login screen? |
| 22:42.05 | KB1JWQ | What's the best way to query a repostiory for the version of a particular package that it has? |
| 22:42.29 | jelly-home | KB1JWQ: apt-cache policy packagename ? |
| 22:42.35 | streuner_ | KB1JWQ: packages.debian.org? |
| 22:42.58 | streuner_ | bombba: just install it |
| 22:42.58 | jelly-home | !best |
| 22:42.58 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 22:43.13 | bombba | streuner_: but when i have to compile it first? |
| 22:43.37 | streuner_ | bombba: which WM is it then? |
| 22:43.52 | bombba | streuner_: stumpwm |
| 22:43.56 | KB1JWQ | jelly-home: Okay, fair enough. :-) What's the easist way to query it from the CLI, which is what your first answer gives me. |
| 22:44.05 | streuner_ | !find stumpwm |
| 22:44.32 | jelly-home | ,versions stumpwm |
| 22:44.34 | judd | stumpwm -- etch: 1:20060930-3; lenny: 1:20080721-2; sid: 1:20090804.git9d6cb388-1; squeeze: 1:20090804.git9d6cb388-1 |
| 22:44.55 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'stumpwm' (1): (/usr/bin/stumpwm, /usr/share/menu/stumpwm, /usr/share/doc-base/stumpwm) in devel/stumpwm. |
| 22:44.57 | bombba | streuner_: what about the "!"? |
| 22:45.05 | jelly-home | bombba: I suggest following the simple sid backport procedure, /msg dpkg sb |
| 22:45.11 | KB1JWQ | jelly-home: A better question might be "I've gotten backports set up and want to see what version of postfix it contains as opposed to the main repo for lenny) |
| 22:45.15 | KB1JWQ | " |
| 22:45.16 | streuner_ | bombba: its only an alias of dpkg |
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| 22:45.32 | KB1JWQ | (backports is disabled by default and I'm quite okay with this) |
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| 22:45.45 | jelly-home | KB1JWQ: also, |
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| 22:45.48 | jelly-home | ,versions postfix |
| 22:45.50 | judd | postfix -- etch: 2.3.8-2+etch1; etch-security: 2.3.8-2+etch1; etch-backports: 2.5.5-1~bpo40+1; lenny: 2.5.5-1.1; squeeze: 2.6.5-3; sid: 2.7.1-1 |
| 22:46.02 | jelly-home | no postfix in bpo |
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| 22:46.12 | bombba | but this are all the old versions, i have already compiled it from source, how do i 'install' it now? |
| 22:46.18 | khaleel5000 | jelly-home: thanks |
| 22:46.34 | khaleel5000 | (restarting kdm thing) |
| 22:46.36 | jelly-home | KB1JWQ: it backports nicely tho, I have 2.7.0-something in lenny |
| 22:47.11 | jelly-home | bombba: also, /msg dpkg uupdate |
| 22:47.33 | KB1JWQ | ,versions dovecot-imapd |
| 22:47.34 | judd | dovecot-imapd -- etch: 1.0.rc15-2etch5; etch-security: 1.0.rc15-2etch5; etch-backports: 1:1.0.15-2.3+lenny1~bpo40+1; lenny: 1:1.0.15-2.3+lenny1; lenny-security: 1:1.0.15-2.3+lenny1; lenny-backports: 1:1.2.11-1~bpo50+2; squeeze: 1:1.2.11-1; sid: 1:1.2.12-1 |
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| 22:48.07 | jelly-home | bombba: uupdate is a tool to use with a new tarball and older deb-source from sid to build a source package tree for the new version |
| 22:48.10 | KB1JWQ | jelly-home: Yeah, looks like I need to set up the sid repo. :-) |
| 22:48.20 | themill | KB1JWQ: the same information is available on packages.debian.org or by /msg-ing judd |
| 22:49.18 | bombba | sry, i'm not pretty firm on dpkg...i have downloaded the stumpwm sources and compiled it with sbcl, can i use it now straight away? |
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| 22:50.27 | jelly-home | bombba: eh, start a safe mode session, then start stumpwm in that terminal? |
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| 22:51.06 | bombba | jelly-home: how to start it? "stumpwm -display :1"? |
| 22:51.31 | jelly-home | just stumpwm, $DISPLAY will already be set |
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| 22:51.34 | bombba | jelly-home: but in general i don't want to start in safe mode... |
| 22:52.09 | jelly-home | bombba: yeah, I see what you're getting at but I don't know where to put it to appear in the list of wm-s/de-s in gdm |
| 22:52.12 | bombba | jelly-home: i would prefer using Xephyr...is it possible? |
| 22:52.57 | jelly-home | I don't use Xephyr or Xnest, no clue about those |
| 22:53.05 | bombba | jelly-home: Xephyr would be the better solution, cause it is a system running from a usb key with no login screen... |
| 22:53.30 | bombba | anyone keen o Xephyr? |
| 22:53.46 | jelly-home | bombba: how did you start other WMs before? |
| 22:53.59 | bombba | jelly-home: not at all...:( |
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| 22:55.01 | mdik | dont have gdm and kdm config files? |
| 22:55.26 | streuner_ | bombba: did you ever look at the README.Debian of stumpwm of Debian? |
| 22:55.40 | bombba | streuner_: where to find that? |
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| 22:56.15 | streuner_ | bombba: /usr/share/doc/<package>/README.Debian |
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| 22:57.14 | mdik | bombba: what do you wanna do? |
| 22:57.40 | streuner_ | he want a WM compile and use it in Debian |
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| 22:58.34 | streuner_ | btw, its in Debian, so its rather easy to use |
| 22:58.38 | bombba | i want to have both, gnome and stumpwm running at the same time so that i can switch between them and even can gmome off for some time and on again without rebooting |
| 22:59.02 | jelly-home | bombba: so start two X sessions or different vc-s |
| 22:59.10 | jelly-home | s/or/on/ |
| 22:59.28 | bombba | how could this be done? |
| 22:59.29 | mdik | i would compile it by building a debian-package, install it and then fire it up with xinit |
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| 22:59.42 | jelly-home | bombba: startx -- :1 |
| 23:00.19 | mdik | xinit /usr/bin/stumpwm -- :1 |
| 23:00.41 | jelly-home | right |
| 23:02.34 | mdik | i havent used a displaymanager for years, they are always in the way |
| 23:02.44 | bombba | great! "xinit /usr/bin/stumpwm -- :3" seems to work, tho there is still this X 'test screen' with the cross cursor and the grey background, but there are some stumpwm messages, too...:) |
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| 23:03.02 | jelly-home | bombba: that's just the default background |
| 23:03.19 | mdik | bombba: can you right-click? |
| 23:03.39 | bombba | nope |
| 23:03.40 | LinOOb | Is there a distro thats thought to be the fastest under a GUI? |
| 23:03.42 | jelly-home | if this is your first tiling wm, you're going to have a lot of "fun" |
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| 23:04.20 | bombba | yes, but i like gnu screen a lot, and i think it is worth learning all the commands... |
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| 23:04.30 | bombba | ...or looking them up again and again :) |
| 23:04.32 | jelly-home | LinOOb: I don't know, why do you ask? |
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| 23:05.05 | bombba | mdik: should i be able to right-click? :/ |
| 23:05.19 | jelly-home | bombba: it says "keyboard driven" on the homepage |
| 23:05.24 | jelly-home | so drive it baby |
| 23:05.29 | mdik | LOL no. i _just_ read the stumpwm info in aptitude show stumpwm |
| 23:05.31 | mdik | LOLOL |
| 23:05.38 | mdik | i mean, are you serious? |
| 23:05.58 | bombba | jelly-home: that's my world! there's a lotta dust on my...how do you call it...uhhmmm...mouse! |
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| 23:06.09 | mdik | It attempts to be highly customizable while relying entirely on |
| 23:06.10 | mdik | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:06.10 | mdik | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:06.49 | jelly-home | the following line is _great_ |
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| 23:06.59 | jelly-home | These design decisions reflect the growing popularity of productive, customizable lisp based systems. |
| 23:07.03 | bombba | yes, but it supports gnome/kde panels...and there is a mouse cursor...so it's very featurefull! |
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| 23:07.20 | mdik | yep. (didnt want to quote b/c i didnt want to flood (:: |
| 23:07.23 | mdik | :D |
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| 23:07.44 | bombba | jelly-home: ok, lisp is not new, but it has been portet from C, so: respect! |
| 23:07.56 | jelly-home | blinks |
| 23:07.59 | mdik | bombba: when you want an awesome wm, try pekwm |
| 23:07.59 | jhutchins_lt | I wish linux GUI apps did a better job of making all functions available via the keyboard. |
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| 23:08.40 | mdik | jhutchins_lt: have you worked with windows apps? |
| 23:09.03 | jhutchins_lt | LinOOb: Most of the components of a distribution are the same from a performance standpoint. |
| 23:09.04 | mdik | they ahve NOTHING... |
| 23:09.17 | jelly-home | bombba: LISP is older than C as far as I remember |
| 23:09.29 | jhutchins_lt | LinOOb: Gentoo claims to be faster because everything's custom compiled, but most people can't tell the difference when it's running. |
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| 23:10.18 | jelly-home | mdik: are you implying awesome isn't as awesome?! |
| 23:10.19 | mdik | ...and linux-frameworks like qt, kde etc have such an awesome shortcut-support that you, as a developer, almost cant walk around making all the funcitonality shortcutable |
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| 23:10.35 | mdik | jelly-home: havent tried taht one ;) |
| 23:10.38 | bombba | jelly-home: right, so it's even more stunning what can be done with these languages...but i would rather not count the memory leaks...:) |
| 23:10.47 | jelly-home | mdik: it's in the name! |
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| 23:11.18 | jelly-home | bombba: leaks schmeaks |
| 23:11.19 | jhutchins_lt | lisp was never intended for software development. |
| 23:11.31 | bombba | but qt, kde etc. (btw, one could say: kde _is_ qt) eat a lot of memory! |
| 23:11.40 | bombba | jelly-home: :) |
| 23:11.54 | mdik | bombba: yeah, like, some MEGA-byte |
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| 23:12.18 | jelly-home | bombba: my time is more precious than the money I'll spend to buy enough RAM to use KDE or XFCE or whatever |
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| 23:12.37 | mdik | im not trying to run it on my phone... and even those are capable to run fully functional desktop environments those days |
| 23:13.19 | jelly-home | smartphones today have 400MB+ RAM |
| 23:13.35 | mdik | exactly |
| 23:13.46 | bombba | but all in all i would say, stumpwm etc. are more 'stable' then kde etc. |
| 23:14.09 | mdik | that's why you should use pekwm |
| 23:14.09 | jelly-home | bombba: you base that on using stumpwm for how long? |
| 23:14.21 | qq- | 2 min .. |
| 23:14.45 | bombba | so just imagine using just about 0.5-1% of these 400MB for your wm and having the rest for pure fun |
| 23:14.58 | jelly-home | I wouldn't go that far to call fully self-modifiable code "stable" |
| 23:15.33 | jelly-home | "stable until you start messing with it" |
| 23:15.36 | bombba | jelly-home: base on using gnu screen for some time, but i've already mentioned that i have never even changed to another vm, so... |
| 23:15.54 | jelly-home | bombba: screen's not a wm or written in clisp |
| 23:16.08 | jelly-home | bombba: it's written in C, thus probably has LEAKS |
| 23:16.18 | bombba | but the appeal is similar |
| 23:16.31 | themill | doesn't find it appealing at all |
| 23:16.48 | jelly-home | yeah, but stability and memory usage have nothing to do with it |
| 23:17.01 | frikinz__ | http://adam.pra.to/public/pics/lisp-table2.jpg |
| 23:17.05 | frikinz__ | :) |
| 23:18.20 | bombba | ok, that sounds sensible, tho i will have more memory on my machine, when i need it, as i said, gnome and stumpwm shall co-exist and i want to be able to switch gnome off when i need it... |
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| 23:19.43 | bombba | and i dislike using the mouse, which is not quite sensible, i have to admit |
| 23:21.52 | simonrvn | appealing if you have an austere or spartan mindset |
| 23:22.30 | mdik | frikinz__: (: |
| 23:22.42 | mst | any thoughts on how I'd go about finding somewhere I can still get etch packages from? (yes, I saw /topic, no, I can't do that just right now) |
| 23:23.00 | qq- | !ado |
| 23:23.00 | dpkg | Find old Debian releases at http://archive.debian.org/ |
| 23:23.01 | bombba | simonrvn: please don't be harsh, say your opinion or just think it |
| 23:23.11 | simonrvn | that is opinion |
| 23:23.28 | bombba | frikinz__: like it |
| 23:24.44 | simonrvn | and don't tell me what to do. thanks. |
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| 23:25.19 | jelly-home | mst: /msg dpkg etch sources.list |
| 23:25.46 | mst | rock on. |
| 23:25.48 | MACscr | Im running lenny within a xen domu. It runs fine for the most part and i can console in, but i still am getting an error such as this on my console screen: INIT: Id "xvc0" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes |
| 23:25.49 | mst | thanks everybody. |
| 23:25.57 | mst | thinks that should be in topic as well, maybe |
| 23:26.01 | mst | but that's up to you guys |
| 23:26.02 | mst | cheers! |
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| 23:26.04 | bombba | simonrvn: didn't want to harm you, sorry |
| 23:26.05 | themill | mst: it is |
| 23:26.15 | jelly-home | mst: no it shouldn't, upgrade ASAP! :> |
| 23:26.21 | jelly-home | eh |
| 23:26.21 | simonrvn | bombba: same here |
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| 23:26.49 | bombba | by the way, how can i turn of one of the two window managers? |
| 23:27.32 | jelly-home | bombba: you have two X sessions running now at the same time, is that correct? |
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| 23:28.51 | jelly-home | bombba: so stop one, log off gnome if you don't need it right now, or quit stumpwm |
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| 23:30.01 | bombba | yes but how to do that from the terminal? |
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| 23:30.46 | mdik | bombba: go to the terminal you started it from and hit ctrl+c |
| 23:32.00 | bombba | mdik: thx, works just fine, but so i won't be albe to use this terminal in the meanwhile... |
| 23:32.45 | lindi- | CD L |
| 23:32.49 | lindi- | whoops :) |
| 23:33.04 | mdik | you could start it with an "&" at the end |
| 23:33.07 | lindi- | capslock still manages to surprise |
| 23:33.14 | MACscr | how do i stop iptables in debian? i have no iptables entry in /etc/init.d/ |
| 23:33.39 | lindi- | MACscr: what makes you think it was started? |
| 23:34.07 | MACscr | lindi-: im 100% sure its started because its blocking access to a few ports |
| 23:34.12 | bombba | mdik: yes, but then hitting ctrl+c won't work, will it? |
| 23:34.14 | lindi- | MACscr: iptables -nvL? |
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| 23:34.47 | jhutchins_lt | MACscr: IP Tables isn't a daemon, it's a one-shot program that loads the kernel tables. |
| 23:35.22 | MACscr | jhutchins_lt: i miss being able to do: service iptables stop or whatever like i could in centos =/ |
| 23:35.25 | mdik | bombba: then you can foreground it with the command "fg" and then kill it with ctrl+c |
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| 23:35.44 | jhutchins_lt | MACscr: Um, it's not a daemon in the RH tree either. |
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| 23:35.52 | MACscr | seems like such a pain to start, stop, restart, check status of programs in debian |
| 23:35.53 | mdik | killing in the "kill" or "killall" sense should work as fine of course |
| 23:36.04 | bombba | mdik: oh, didn't think about that, sorry...great! thx! |
| 23:36.12 | MACscr | jhutchins_lt: it definitely works that way in centos |
| 23:36.15 | jelly-home | bombba: the simplest thing to do is to kill the process with a default SIGINT |
| 23:36.29 | lindi- | MACscr: just put the output of iptables -nvL online please? |
| 23:36.29 | MACscr | lindi-: here is that output http://pastebin.org/364449 |
| 23:36.32 | jhutchins_lt | MACscr: Nope. |
| 23:36.33 | mdik | bombba: i just found that out myself either ;) |
| 23:36.53 | bombba | jelly-home: let's keep it simple |
| 23:36.54 | lindi- | MACscr: that seems to accept anything, it's not "blocking any ports" |
| 23:36.55 | jhutchins_lt | MACscr: They may have an initscript, but it's not a daemon. |
| 23:37.02 | MACscr | jhutchins_lt: i have 24 centos servers. Im pretty sure it works that way =P |
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| 23:37.09 | lindi- | MACscr: there's probably some other reason for your problem |
| 23:37.09 | MACscr | thats fine with me |
| 23:37.18 | mdik | btw: has anyone of you tried uzbl-browser? |
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| 23:37.36 | jhutchins_lt | MACscr: I've built several hundred CentOS servers and have been working with iptables for more than ten years. |
| 23:37.39 | MACscr | lindi-: im just saying that i dont understand why debian doesnt creat init scripts |
| 23:37.50 | jelly-home | MACscr: that's a special case, there's no default init script for iptables in Debian (any more) |
| 23:37.57 | mdik | it's a webkit-shell-y thing which is pretty cool (and scriptable - in python!) :) |
| 23:38.03 | lindi- | MACscr: there are several different I think |
| 23:38.11 | jelly-home | MACscr: do you have an example other than iptables? |
| 23:38.32 | MACscr | mysqld, httpd, etc |
| 23:38.37 | lindi- | MACscr: apt-cache search firewall |
| 23:38.56 | jhutchins_lt | MACscr: Debian didn't start out using the SysV init system, it does many things differently (I'm still learning). |
| 23:38.59 | jelly-home | MACscr: each of those has an init script named after the package. |
| 23:39.16 | jhutchins_lt | MACscr: httpd is just apache2. |
| 23:39.34 | jelly-home | MACscr: typically they're missing the last "d" character |
| 23:39.48 | themill | MACscr: invoke-rc.d <tab><tab> |
| 23:39.53 | jhutchins_lt | Debian does use the mysql control program instead of directly starting/stopping mysql with the init script. |
| 23:40.13 | jelly-home | MACscr: as for the service command, use invoke-rc.d instead. Yes it's a pain to type that in. |
| 23:40.13 | bombba | is so happy about stumpwm working now |
| 23:40.17 | tharkun | MACscr: take a look at /msg dpkg iptables the wiki link should give you an insight on this particular |
| 23:40.35 | MACscr | basically i liked being able to do: 'service blah stop' or whatever because then i didnt have to memorize any paths |
| 23:40.39 | themill | jelly-home: inv<tab> |
| 23:40.58 | MACscr | same with chkconfig for disabling or enabling startup on boot, etc |
| 23:40.59 | jhutchins_lt | MACscr: Well, nothing keeps you from porting the "service" util over from RH. |
| 23:41.08 | jelly-home | themill: it's still ugly. |
| 23:41.12 | jhutchins_lt | ,versions chkconfig |
| 23:41.14 | judd | chkconfig -- lenny: 11.0-79.1-1; sid: 11.0-79.1-2; squeeze: 11.0-79.1-2 |
| 23:41.15 | lindi- | MACscr: it's bit difficut in debian indeed |
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| 23:41.29 | jhutchins_lt | MACscr: aptitude install chkconfig. |
| 23:41.35 | jhutchins_lt | MACscr: THere's also rcconf. |
| 23:41.55 | jelly-home | and sysv-rc-conf |
| 23:42.10 | MACscr | im trying to learn though. I did setup ubuntu as my main desktop os to learn things a bit more on a daily basis, but obviously its not exactly the same as debian |
| 23:42.41 | jhutchins_lt | MACscr: Ubuntu's different in exactly some of those particular management tools. |
| 23:42.44 | lindi- | you also need to configure policyrcd-script-zg2 or otherwise daemons can get started on upgrades even if you have disabled them with update-rc.d/chkconfig/rcconf/sysv-rc-conf |
| 23:42.46 | craigevil | mdik: there is a #uzbl channel, its a net browser once you get the hang of it, but it sitll has issues |
| 23:43.14 | craigevil | s/net/neat |
| 23:43.21 | MACscr | hmm, chckconfig doesnt work for iptables since its not a service =/ |
| 23:43.41 | MACscr | see i have a different firewall app that manages iptables, so i dont want iptables to ever start on its own |
| 23:43.43 | lindi- | MACscr: there are multiple firewall solutions in debian that use iptables. you need to install one of them |
| 23:44.20 | bombba | by the way, on my debian system it takes quite a long time to switch between the terminals (f1-12), but as i know, in ubuntu this is much faster, how can i set this for debian, too? |
| 23:44.29 | tharkun | MACscr: apt-cache show sysvconfig |
| 23:44.38 | bombba | sry for mentioning ubuntu here...:| |
| 23:45.08 | jhutchins_lt | MACscr: Read up on debian's iptables tools, you'll understand the whole process better. |
| 23:46.02 | lindi- | re configuring services that are started in debian: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=584865 |
| 23:46.07 | MACscr | jhutchins_lt: my never interact with iptables directly. I use a script call csf that i use on all my linux servers. Thats why i just want to disable it from starting on its own at all. Its already going to be started if i enable my other app |
| 23:46.08 | jhutchins_lt | MACscr: Also good stuff at http://www.ecst.csuchico.edu/~dranch/LINUX/TrinityOS/cHTML/TrinityOS-c.html and http://tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/ |
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| 23:46.26 | MACscr | ok, gtg, thanks guys, but my wifey has dinner ready |
| 23:46.29 | frikinz__ | bombba: it's a feature of the kernel called KMS. you need to upgrade your kernel |
| 23:46.42 | bombba | frikinz__: oh no! |
| 23:46.44 | jhutchins_lt | MACscr: Your firewall should handle clearing any existing IPTABLEs. |
| 23:46.53 | HazardX | what package provides setleds? (for the life of me, I can't find it) |
| 23:46.54 | mdik | craigevil: yeah, for now im just using it to watch youtube-vids, yet ive already learned how to change the url without quiting and starting again :D |
| 23:47.14 | MACscr | jhutchins_lt: it does, but when i disable csf for testing, it wont turn off iptables |
| 23:47.23 | MACscr | it just removes its own set of rules |
| 23:47.27 | jhutchins_lt | MACscr: It's part of the kernel. |
| 23:47.41 | MACscr | so if default iptables is blocking port 80 or whatever, its still going to be blocked |
| 23:47.44 | jhutchins_lt | MACscr: On all distros, iptables is a kernel feature. |
| 23:47.48 | askhader | I use /etc/init.d/hostname start in order to change my hostname but I get the error "<hostname> not found" where <hostname> is the hostname I set |
| 23:48.10 | jhutchins_lt | MACscr: The default is empy tables, but they're still there. |
| 23:48.17 | craigevil | mdik: http://tuxtraining.com/2009/09/05/uzbl-and-uzbl_tabbed-py-a-browser-that-adheres-to-the-unix-philosophy is nice page about uzbl |
| 23:48.28 | jhutchins_lt | MACscr: Unless you've installed some script/tool that sets them, which is NOT the debian default. |
| 23:48.41 | jhutchins_lt | !tell MACscr about iptables |
| 23:49.06 | mdik | thanks, craigevil |
| 23:49.14 | jhutchins_lt | MACscr: After dinner reading. |
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| 23:50.07 | tharkun | jhutchins_lt: even if there is an iptables script before the firewall rules fireup is bestpractice to user iptables-store which does an automatic iptables -F |
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| 23:51.01 | Niktout | hello, anyone can help/tell me how to install java "1.6.0_21" under debian please ? my java app are still using "1.6.0_12" :/ |
| 23:51.22 | dvs | !install java |
| 23:51.22 | dpkg | For the Java web browser plugin, install either the free icedtea-gcjwebplugin (Lenny) or icedtea6-plugin (Squeeze) package, or the <non-free> sun-java6-plugin package. For other Java programs, you can install the default-jre package to get a Java runtime; use "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine" to see other implementations. The best options are probably openjdk-6-jre or sun-java6-jre (non-free). See also <java alternatives>. |
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| 23:51.46 | tharkun | jhutchins_lt: sorry it seems the , and the . keys are failing on this piece of sh__ |
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| 23:52.35 | jhutchins_lt | tharkun: You still manage to be clearer than many. |
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| 23:53.15 | Niktout | that's not really helping me since .12 is the latest version via apt-get, i unpacked .21 and had no luck on how to make my app using .21 |
| 23:53.30 | tharkun | jhutchins_lt: Thx, but my English is quite rusty. Not what it used to be. |
| 23:53.55 | jelly-home | ,versions sun-java6-jre |
| 23:53.56 | jhutchins_lt | tharkun: Most of the scripts I've seen just clear any existing tables - set them to "REJECT", and don't store anything, assuming that you'll be using the script for your firewall or nothing, not switching back and forth. |
| 23:53.57 | judd | sun-java6-jre -- etch-backports/non-free: 6-07-3~bpo40+1; lenny/non-free: 6-12-1; lenny/non-free: 6-20-0lenny1; sid/non-free: 6.20-dlj-1; squeeze/non-free: 6.20-dlj-1; sid/non-free: 6.20-dlj-3; sid/non-free: 6.20-dlj-4 |
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| 23:54.56 | jelly-home | Niktout: well, there's not 1.6.0_21 yet, but there's _20 packaged for lenny at backports.org |
| 23:55.02 | tharkun | jhutchins_lt: interesting, I'll take that into consideration someone asks me for a firewall script or frontend |
| 23:55.33 | Niktout | i dled .21 from a russian website a while ago but .20 should be enough since i'm missing a lot of libraries for my updated apps |
| 23:55.36 | jelly-home | just yesterday update on windows pulled 1.6.20 |
| 23:55.53 | jelly-home | Niktout: Are you sure that's a legitimate release. |
| 23:56.12 | Niktout | that was java sun related stuff, anyway i'll try your site hoping it works |
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| 23:56.24 | themill | jelly-home: not on bpo, in main. |
| 23:56.38 | jelly-home | themill: twice?! |
| 23:56.39 | dvs | jelly-home: it's from Russia. What could possibly go wrong? ;-) |
| 23:56.49 | Niktout | lol |
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| 23:57.57 | craigevil | going to java.com and checking Java versions says Congratulations! You have the recommended Java installed (Version 6 Update 20). |
| 23:58.09 | jhutchins_lt | In Russia java scripts you? |
| 23:58.10 | factor | I just upgraded to testing form stable (had to do reinstall) but now when I try to install the binary NVIDIA driver , debian wont let me load the Binary NVIDIA driver. |
| 23:58.15 | themill | jelly-home: it's an arch:all package so it might not have been updated for all archs |
| 23:58.15 | jelly-home | Niktout: mh, ignore that backports.org suggestion then, do an aptitude update and see what apt-cache policy sun-java6-jre (or -jdk or what you need) shows |
| 23:58.26 | factor | what do I need to do to get the binary driver to install the ko driver |
| 23:58.46 | Niktout | ok, doing it |
| 23:58.55 | themill | jelly-home: (err, other bits from the same source package not updated, obviously) |
