| 00:00.06 | Niktout | looks like i can get 6-20-0lenny1 jelly-home |
| 00:00.17 | jelly-home | themill: but I didn't ask about a source package, I asked about a binary one |
| 00:00.19 | themill | ,archs ia32-sun-java6-bin |
| 00:00.19 | judd | ia32-sun-java6-bin in lenny: amd64 (6-20-0lenny1); ia64 (6-12-1) |
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| 00:01.06 | themill | jelly-home: there are multiple versions of the source package available atm hence there are multiple versions of the arch:all binary packages available. |
| 00:01.29 | craigevil | !tell factor about nvidia |
| 00:01.55 | jelly-home | themill: hm, does apt mask that with only the newest package from each Packages file |
| 00:02.06 | dvs | looks for his Itanium |
| 00:02.10 | jelly-home | apt-cache policy shows just one |
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| 00:03.03 | factor | The kinfocenter says I have nouveau install how can I disable this driver? |
| 00:03.15 | themill | jelly-home: apt doesn't but dak presumably does when making the Packages files up as it only allows one version of the source package per architecture. That information is not shown in the UDD though -- it doesn't track arch:all(i386) compared to arch:all(amd64). It just tracks it as arch:all. |
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| 00:04.13 | jelly-home | oh, so it's udd that's nonconsistent with a view that a user would have |
| 00:04.30 | AndrewX192 | sh: <( compgen -d -- 's' ): No such file or directory <- been trying to solve this problem for quite some time (happens when I try to do tab completion in bash) - ideas on howto fix this? |
| 00:04.35 | bombba | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:05.03 | themill | jelly-home: yes. Well, so is dak in that it has this idea that arch:all packages exist in each arch now. |
| 00:05.24 | jelly-home | /o\ |
| 00:07.00 | themill | jelly-home: for the most part it's a very very good thing though, because it stops the arch:all packages being removed from sid as soon as the next upload is made, even though the rest of the binary packages haven't been built yet. The old race condition could leave things quite uninstallable for long periods of time |
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| 00:08.18 | frikinz__ | AndrewX192: one of the files in /etc/bash_completion.d/ is wrong. Last time I had this, I moved all files from this directory and then moved back one by one each files until I found the problematic one. From there, you need to find the bug in this file. Last time, it was "service" |
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| 00:09.04 | bombba | great! c-t b banishes the mouse pointer to the lower right corner! |
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| 00:09.56 | AndrewX192 | frikinz__, any ideas on why it happens for just one user account? |
| 00:10.23 | factor | I apt-removed the nouveau packages will see if that will let me install the binary |
| 00:10.27 | AndrewX192 | I'm going to be deploying debian 5 on a number of servers, and if this problems is going to randomly happen on them, then I'm not sure what to think. |
| 00:10.43 | jelly-home | themill: obviously there can't be two versions of a binary package in one place, they're like highlanders in that regard |
| 00:12.44 | frikinz__ | AndrewX192: that shouldn't happen on debian 5.. mine is unstable. maybe the .bashrc or .profile in home directories are calling completion differently. Not sure if user can have their own completion. |
| 00:13.05 | RCP | jelly-home linux-image-2.6.32-5-686_2.6.32-15_i386.deb was installed |
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| 00:13.16 | RCP | so it is 2.6.32-5 |
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| 00:14.47 | jelly-home | RCP: that makes more sense |
| 00:14.49 | frikinz__ | AndrewX192: in my case, it was when sourcing two times /etc/bash_completion that the problem would appear.. |
| 00:15.34 | themill | frikinz__: that's frequently a problem and best avoided |
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| 00:15.51 | jelly-home | RCP: you'll want to restate your whole case on this channel; I'm going afk |
| 00:16.27 | RCP | Well.. I kinda F**ed this linux box up Im more then likey going to reinstall |
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| 00:17.41 | frikinz__ | themill: well.. I rarely use root which did not have completion activated for root. for my users it has completion activated. when I su, i then source bash_completion. until one day when I sourced bash_completion as a normal user and then the nightmare began :) |
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| 00:18.58 | jelly-home | RCP: based on http://76.115.157.20/checkfs, it seems you tried an upgrade to squeeze and was left in a state where /etc/fstab points to /dev/hda* devices while the new kernel might see that disk as /dev/sda or /dev/sd* |
| 00:19.09 | AndrewX192 | frikinz__, I just commended out all the completion lines in .bashrc and its good now |
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| 00:20.07 | jelly-home | RCP: might be best to explain the others what you were really doing before this situation occured |
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| 00:21.28 | frikinz__ | well.. then there is a bug somewhere.. |
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| 00:23.53 | Niktout | still buggy :( |
| 00:24.03 | Niktout | what is the file to update all index ? |
| 00:24.09 | Niktout | daily* |
| 00:24.18 | Niktout | locate: warning: database `/var/cache/locate/locatedb' is more than 8 days old (actual age is 30.0 days) |
| 00:24.34 | Niktout | i removed it because it was lagging my dedi at the same hour everyday |
| 00:24.39 | factor | Has anyone gotten the NVIDIA binary driver to work on debian testing as of late? |
| 00:24.56 | themill | dpkg: tell Niktout about mlocate |
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| 00:27.57 | Niktout | i mean, i want to update all indexed files which are 1 month outdated |
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| 00:29.35 | SlikerT | hey does anyone know what media player is the best out there to use |
| 00:29.41 | RCP | Niktout dbupdate I think |
| 00:29.46 | RCP | or db-update |
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| 00:30.14 | initq | allo allo |
| 00:30.17 | Niktout | none of them are working RCP |
| 00:30.19 | RCP | Niktout updatedb |
| 00:30.26 | Niktout | works |
| 00:30.37 | Niktout | thanks, i'm waiting for it to finish |
| 00:30.41 | RCP | might need to set it up on a cron |
| 00:30.47 | RCP | weekly.. maybe,.. |
| 00:30.51 | Niktout | yeah |
| 00:31.00 | factor | no one know how to get debian and the binary driver to work? |
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| 00:31.03 | themill | Niktout: in the long run, use mlocate not locate as its update is much faster |
| 00:31.15 | Niktout | ok themill thx |
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| 00:31.37 | RCP | mans mlocate hmm... |
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| 00:32.23 | harovali | hi , is it possible to install a lenny jail in a debian woody system , using debootstrap ? |
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| 00:32.50 | jpinx-eeepc | !jail |
| 00:32.50 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, jail is only in bsd. see <vserver> |
| 00:33.01 | jpinx-eeepc | harovali: âââ |
| 00:33.01 | themill | !rube goldberg install |
| 00:33.02 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader. Wait, the card reader just fell on the floor and broke." |
| 00:33.24 | harovali | jpinx-eeepc: i don't understand |
| 00:33.48 | jpinx-eeepc | harovali: what is your native language? |
| 00:34.27 | harovali | jpinx-eeepc: spanish |
| 00:34.29 | qq- | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:34.50 | jpinx-eeepc | !es |
| 00:34.50 | dpkg | Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat |
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| 00:35.27 | harovali | jpinx-eeepc: what's wrong with my question ? if you can't answer that let anybody else do |
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| 00:35.40 | arosen1 | How do you list the startup programs with update-rc? |
| 00:36.08 | Led_Zeppelin | I have close to 200 hosts. Some hosts have different configuration and some have different. Are there any tools to template these hosts and if there are any differences I get a flag? |
| 00:36.26 | jpinx-eeepc | harovali: what part of "jail is only in bsd." did you not understand? |
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| 00:37.25 | harovali | jpinx-eeepc: forget that phrasing: I need to run debootstrap in a woody system to put a lenny inside. Is that possible ? |
| 00:37.29 | SlikerT | as far as media players out there for linux which one is the best |
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| 00:37.33 | qq- | harovali, /msg dpkg woody |
| 00:37.48 | Bushmills | arosen1: you don't |
| 00:37.51 | themill | harovali: "/msg dpkg debootstrap" but understand that a "chroot" isn't the same as a "jail". And that you need to run something other than woody these days |
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| 00:38.09 | deadchicken | After installing Debian Lenny on a Dell Inspiron 1764 using the DVD with the default settings, I get a message stating that a kernel failure occurred after every boot. However, this guy http://www.burghardt.pl/2010/04/debian-gnulinux-on-dell-inspiron-1764/ managed to install Debian on his Dell Inspiron 1764, which has a 1GB ATI Mobility Radeon HD 5450 in place of the Integrated Intel Graphics Media Accelerator HD* in my lap |
| 00:38.29 | harovali | themill: will debootstrap put a chroot in the system ? |
| 00:39.13 | deadchicken | harovali: After using debootstrap, you can chroot into the constructed environment. |
| 00:39.16 | themill | harovali: /msg dpkg debootstrap |
| 00:39.22 | arosen1 | Bushmills: I had a script that i wrote that i added using rc-update but I can't seem to find where the script lives now? Does this now make sense? http://pastebin.com/7CwcPW7H |
| 00:39.37 | arosen1 | rcX.d knows about it but where does it live? |
| 00:39.45 | harovali | deadchicken: can a lenny environment be debootsrapped into a woody system ? |
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| 00:40.01 | Niktout | blarg, i'm still getting the following error http://pastebin.com/7aH3Vd0C i have no problem using the previous revision of my server with the same command line, it's like if it couldn't find libs folder while it's just here |
| 00:40.10 | qq- | harovali, no |
| 00:40.30 | harovali | qq-: thanks. |
| 00:40.36 | qq- | np |
| 00:41.00 | deadchicken | harovali: No clue, but you got an answer from qq-. |
| 00:41.15 | harovali | deadchicken: thanks. |
| 00:41.31 | Bushmills | arosen1: depends. with file-rc, the location is different from sysv-rc |
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| 00:42.39 | Bushmills | but as you use find, you could simply look at its output. for example, at what you pasted, to come to know its location |
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| 00:44.07 | bombba | so ok, bye and thanks for your great help! |
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| 00:50.50 | Led_Zeppelin | are there any tools to check against other hosts to make sure the host configuration is setup properly? |
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| 00:51.44 | flaccid | in terms of current/stable, this is obviously lenny 5.04 and we have squeeze (to be 6.0) coming some time in future, correct? are there any other stable branches in use? |
| 00:53.56 | qq- | Led_Zeppelin, ssh ? |
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| 00:54.27 | qq- | flaccid, no, only one stable branches in use: lenny |
| 00:54.42 | flaccid | thanks for the confirmation |
| 00:54.48 | qq- | np |
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| 00:55.08 | qq- | lenny is 5.0.5 |
| 00:55.15 | flaccid | ah cool |
| 00:55.27 | tjadog | woot woot!!! hi everyone just got online with my debian 5.0.5 + wireless modem. Thanks to everyone over the past week who have helped assist me :) |
| 00:55.28 | flaccid | also, i'm wondering what kernel is best to use for lenny on ec2? |
| 00:55.39 | LJRuff | Gratz tjadog |
| 00:56.13 | tjadog | LJRuff: thanks!!! it took awhile but after doing some research online + people here I was able to do it |
| 00:56.14 | qq- | flaccid, ec2 is ? |
| 00:56.30 | jpinx-eeepc | !ec2 |
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| 00:58.04 | tjadog | I do have a question tho, I am a relatively newbie to debian (not linux tho). Is iceweasel the official debian version of firefox? |
| 00:58.47 | tjadog | also - I am using wvdial to connect online using my wireless connection.... how do I kill that connection (disconnect) ? do I just kill the shell that spawned the wvdial process? |
| 00:58.59 | qq- | tjadog, /msg dpkg iceweasel |
| 00:59.05 | flaccid | qq-: Amazon Elastic Compute Cloud |
| 00:59.09 | dondelelcaro | Led_Zeppelin: we use puppet to do that |
| 00:59.13 | flaccid | the largest public cloud in the world... |
| 00:59.51 | Led_Zeppelin | qq-, yep. I am using ssh now :-) but I would something a bit more elligent |
| 00:59.55 | tjadog | qq- thanks :) now that I am online with my debian I should be able to use apt via the network :) but the apt-cdrom install from dvd helped me get to this point :) |
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| 01:00.03 | Led_Zeppelin | dondelelcaro, do i need to install an agent? I prefer not to... |
| 01:00.15 | Led_Zeppelin | dondelelcaro, can puppet do everything via ssh? |
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| 01:00.33 | flaccid | so nobody uses debian in the cloud here? |
| 01:00.56 | dondelelcaro | flaccid: loads of people do |
| 01:00.57 | qq- | flaccid, doing what there ? |
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| 01:01.32 | JairunCaloth | hrm... any thoughts on why $DISPLAY isn't set? |
| 01:01.45 | JairunCaloth | What normally sets that variable? |
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| 01:02.02 | tjadog | ok I will be back later |
| 01:02.19 | flaccid | i'm asking which kernel people recommend for debian on ec2. the amazon kernels are old and suck. i'm currently using ubuntu lucid kernels |
| 01:02.55 | qq- | JairunCaloth, it is , here :0.0 |
| 01:03.11 | chilli0 | Hello. I would like to set up a debian server soon ( tomorrow) that can do the following: Share music and videos to other OS in the network ( windows , ubuntu) Used as a print server and scan server(if scan server is possible) And a web server ( apache). I would also like ftp , ssh installed. Is this all possible ? |
| 01:03.35 | JairunCaloth | I figured out what it is... I started this screen session when X was broken, so $DISPLAY never got set for the session. |
| 01:03.44 | JairunCaloth | if I open a new terminal it's set |
| 01:03.44 | dondelelcaro | Led_Zeppelin: you need to install puppet on them, but almost every distribution should have it |
| 01:03.55 | dondelelcaro | JairunCaloth: so set it correctly |
| 01:04.20 | flaccid | if loads of people use debian in the cloud, they don't seem to be here :) |
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| 01:04.58 | JairunCaloth | dondelelcaro: I did :-p |
| 01:05.03 | dondelelcaro | chilli0: it's possible, the question is whether you can do it |
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| 01:05.31 | xreal | Is it hard to install Debian on a Dell PowerEdge PE 6650 ? |
| 01:06.07 | chilli0 | dondelelcaro, I believe I can do ssh , ftp , print server , scan server ( seen something around on how to do it). But I'm not sure what to use for sharing the media , And links or advice? |
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| 01:06.53 | dondelelcaro | chilli0: depends on what clients you want to use; you can use everything from mythtv to various media servers |
| 01:07.09 | Led_Zeppelin | dondelelcaro, i see |
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| 01:07.30 | chilli0 | dondelelcaro, I want the clients to be able to mount the share places. So they can add / remove diffrent media and what not. |
| 01:08.38 | dondelelcaro | chilli0: so use samba or nfs or similar; whatever works |
| 01:09.40 | chilli0 | dondelelcaro, What would you recommend? I need mainly speed because will be streaming to at lease two computers constantly. |
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| 01:11.22 | dondelelcaro | chilli0: you should be able to saturate the link pretty easily; doesn't really matter which you use |
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| 01:12.26 | chilli0 | dondelelcaro, So then nfs or samba? |
| 01:12.46 | dondelelcaro | chilli0: samba is probably easiest |
| 01:13.15 | chilli0 | dondelelcaro, I will be setting this all up under ssh. |
| 01:13.18 | bcw | i'm using squeeze with gnome networkmanager, and my wireless connection just suddenly stopped working. i don't know why. what should i do? |
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| 01:14.17 | bcw | it doesn't even appear in ifconfig anymore, though it does appear in ifconfig -a |
| 01:15.32 | bcw | and doesn't say it's "up", but when i try ifup wlan0 i get "Ignoring unknown interface wlan0=wlan0." |
| 01:16.18 | qq- | bcw, /msg dkpg 70 |
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| 01:21.36 | Bushmills | bcw: sounds familiar. removing network-manager was the solution for me |
| 01:23.07 | Bushmills | contrary to its suggestive name, i found it to be a connection-mismanager |
| 01:23.25 | jpinx-eeepc | bcw: did you try wicd? |
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| 01:23.41 | bcw | qq-, i'm looking at /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules now. there's an entry for wlan0, i don't see anything wrong with it. |
| 01:23.58 | bcw | i can copy the line here if that would help |
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| 01:24.26 | bcw | Bushmills, i would like to use network-manager still if possible. |
| 01:24.43 | bcw | jpinx-eeepc, no i haven't |
| 01:25.00 | Bushmills | sure. it's your system, after all. |
| 01:25.14 | jpinx-eeepc | bcw: wfm :) |
| 01:25.29 | qq- | bcw, seems ok then |
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| 01:27.56 | qq- | bcw, except the ATTR{address}=="" of wlan0 is used for other interfaces as eth1 , or so |
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| 01:28.31 | qq- | s/ except the /except the same |
| 01:28.46 | bcw | qq-, no, the ATTR{address}=="" is not used by any other interface, and it look familiar from when my wireless was working |
| 01:29.04 | bcw | looks* |
| 01:29.16 | qq- | cool |
| 01:30.15 | qq- | and wlan0 has an entry in interfaces stanza , i hope |
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| 01:33.57 | bcw | i believe i read somewhere that network-manager does not want its interfaces to be listed in /etc/network/interfaces . but i did add an "auto wlan0" line when it stopped working, and it said the same thing about "Ignoring unknown interface wlan0=wlan0." |
| 01:35.32 | qq- | try it w/o n-m , and see |
| 01:35.42 | bcw | when i did /etc/init.d/networking restart . (it also warned about being deprecated, and that it can't restart all interfaces. could that be the prob?) |
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| 01:36.55 | bcw | you mean uninstall network-manager, or just add a stanza and try "ifup wlan0"? |
| 01:37.20 | qq- | yes |
| 01:37.26 | qq- | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:38.14 | bcw | "Running /etc/init.d/networking restart is deprecated because it may not enable again some interfaces ... (warning)." |
| 01:39.21 | bcw | was the "yes" in re: to the first suggestion, or the second? |
| 01:39.31 | qq- | try ifdown ethX, ifup ethX, same for wlan0 |
| 01:40.18 | qq- | bcw, both ;) |
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| 01:41.19 | bcw | ok, i'll try some stuff again. i'll have to leave and come back if i'm gonna take eth0 down |
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| 01:46.02 | spersaud | where can I see if cron outputs errors ? |
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| 01:49.57 | qq- | grep cron /var/log/syslog |
| 01:52.17 | pozic | Does partimage need a partition of the exact same size as the image was originally created from or is anything larger also ok? |
| 01:52.33 | pozic | The partition to restore must have the same size as the saved partition. If the partition is smaller than the original one, the operation will fail. If it is bigger, space can be lost. |
| 01:52.37 | pozic | Now you should see the summary of restore partition information select ok and press enter |
| 01:52.48 | pozic | This is what http://www.debianadmin.com/backup-and-restore-linux-partitions-using-partimage.html says. |
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| 01:53.05 | pozic | In what sense is the space lost? |
| 01:53.32 | pozic | And since unused blocks are not stored, are those counted in the size? |
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| 01:56.59 | spersaud | qq-: this is what I have 45,47,48,49,51,52 * * * * /home/spersaud/django-project/manage.py send_mail |
| 01:57.24 | spersaud | when I run that command it works, but cron isnt running it for some reason, it sends an email whihch I dont get |
| 01:57.28 | spersaud | plus I dont see any errors |
| 01:57.41 | spersaud | if I switch it to */3 (every 3 minutes it does work either) |
| 01:58.06 | spersaud | that file is an executable, weird |
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| 01:58.50 | qq- | spersaud, i dunno nothing about send_mail* , sry |
| 01:59.03 | jmarsden | spersaud: Put a line MAILTO=you@yourdomain.com at the top of the crontab and see if it sends you an email when it tries to run your script. |
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| 01:59.38 | spersaud | qq-: uhh that has nothing to do with sendmail, thats a django app that uses gmail |
| 01:59.50 | spersaud | or whatever server its not the local system |
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| 02:00.27 | Mordbrann | alright, I'm a complete imbecile. How do I resume from suspend? what key do I push? |
| 02:01.24 | spersaud | I might need to import the django settings module .. I think thats it |
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| 02:06.07 | jpinx-eeepc | Mordbrann: on/off ? |
| 02:06.36 | Mordbrann | jpinx-eeepc, that's what I thought, but I seem to cold boot then. Although dmesg reveals a resume error |
| 02:06.38 | jpinx-eeepc | Mordbrann: that works on my eeepc if suspend hangs |
| 02:06.58 | Mordbrann | PM: Error -22 checking image file |
| 02:07.09 | jpinx-eeepc | Mordbrann: normally I open the lid and hit the Ctrl key |
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| 02:07.54 | Mordbrann | but the comp is technically off, yes? how does it ack the ctrl key? or is that something in your bios? |
| 02:08.44 | jpinx-eeepc | depends - my eeepc suspends on lid-close and resumes on lid-opens |
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| 02:09.09 | Mordbrann | åhhh |
| 02:09.30 | jpinx-eeepc | Mordbrann: I use the ctrl key to make the passwd window come up. otherwise it'll just run the screen saver |
| 02:09.47 | jpinx-eeepc | moving the mouse works too |
| 02:10.25 | jpinx-eeepc | Mordbrann: if your suspend is iffy - try suspending with specific things running till you find the one that's causing the problem |
| 02:10.34 | Mordbrann | hmmmm |
| 02:10.42 | Mordbrann | seems it's happening with anything running |
| 02:11.17 | jpinx-eeepc | Mordbrann: maybe some acpi config? |
| 02:11.27 | qq- | walks in deepjungle |
| 02:11.51 | Mordbrann | could be... I get an early error in dmesg, then it fails a few more times |
| 02:12.11 | jpinx-eeepc | Mordbrann: what's the early error? |
| 02:12.32 | Mordbrann | http://mordbrannn.pastebin.org/365028 |
| 02:12.50 | Mordbrann | very illuminating: resume from disk failed |
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| 02:15.23 | jpinx-eeepc | Mordbrann: looks like it might not be saving the resume image correctly and therefore can not read it from disk |
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| 02:15.37 | jpinx-eeepc | but I have nfc how that image is written ;) |
| 02:16.04 | Mordbrann | the output makes it look like the image is being written fine |
| 02:16.22 | Mordbrann | this is frustrating... not enough info / knowledge to know how to figure out where exactly the problem lies |
| 02:16.59 | pozic | Mordbrann: you need a swap which is large enough. |
| 02:17.04 | spersaud | how do you know if crontab is running ? |
| 02:17.05 | jpinx-eeepc | Mordbrann: checking the resume image gave an error -22 -- google that |
| 02:17.10 | Mordbrann | pozic, believe I have 4 GB |
| 02:17.11 | spersaud | does it run by default ? |
| 02:17.15 | pozic | Mordbrann: if it still doesn't work then, contact your vendor. |
| 02:17.24 | Mordbrann | lol @ vendor |
| 02:17.35 | pozic | Mordbrann: if he/she does not support Linux, then you simply have no support. |
| 02:17.47 | jpinx-eeepc | pozic: stop waffling |
| 02:18.11 | pozic | jpinx-eeepc: that's how it works. |
| 02:18.43 | pozic | jpinx-eeepc: getting the information required to make a device work well is considered proprietary information in this crazy age. |
| 02:18.45 | Mordbrann | pozic, Lenovo: no support whatsoever |
| 02:19.34 | Mordbrann | jpinx-eeepc, googling that gave me a whole bunch of bug reports, but nothing useful |
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| 02:20.30 | dondelelcaro | Mordbrann: how big is our swap partition? |
| 02:20.45 | jpinx-eeepc | Mordbrann: http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=99766 |
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| 02:20.57 | Mordbrann | 4072468 or 4 GB |
| 02:21.05 | dondelelcaro | Mordbrann: is there anyting unusual about your configuration? |
| 02:21.23 | Mordbrann | dondelelcaro, flaky wireless, otherwise nothing I can think of |
| 02:21.28 | jpinx-eeepc | Mordbrann: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/initramfs-tools/+bug/554009 |
| 02:21.30 | samzor_01 | Hi, I just installed lenny via debootstrap and mysql wont install. Looks like it cant configure the mysql-server-5.0 package thus the whole thing falls over. http://pastebin.com/MQwVLa82 |
| 02:21.45 | jpinx-eeepc | Mordbrann: there's 2 threads on exactly your issue |
| 02:22.13 | samzor_01 | note: this is a clean install only other packages installed are locales, vim, make sudo i have not idea why its fighting me already ;) |
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| 02:22.51 | Mordbrann | jpinx-eeepc, yes, saw both those but no real answers to be had |
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| 02:25.51 | user__ | #flood |
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| 02:26.27 | yakamo | anyone recommend a simple bot for irc |
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| 02:26.50 | Mordbrann | yakamo, eggdrop? |
| 02:27.07 | yakamo | Mordbrann: is that pretty straight forward? |
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| 02:27.28 | Mordbrann | yakamo, if one has their mind about them, yes. Just a huge config file, but IIRC not much needs to be changed |
| 02:27.47 | yakamo | ah kewl ok |
| 02:28.39 | muddd | is there a program that can measure the transfer rate of data between two drives in my machine? |
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| 02:29.29 | Mordbrann | muddd, I'm sure there's an easier way than even a monitor, but what do you need to measure for? |
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| 02:32.44 | muddd | I have copied a huge file from one drive to the other, but the disk activity light stay off for a second or two during the transfer, but it only does that for one of the drives... the other is solid the whole way |
| 02:33.49 | muddd | so just curious i guess. |
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| 02:34.25 | Mordbrann | mudd: hmm, I use conky to see the rates... I'm sure there's something simpler though. A gnome applet or something |
| 02:34.29 | dondelelcaro | muddd: unless the drives are exactly the same speed, that's pretty normal |
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| 02:37.21 | muddd | ah they are different |
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| 02:56.10 | factor | Anyone get the binary NVIDIA driver working on debian testing |
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| 02:58.37 | qq- | !nvidia |
| 02:58.37 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers . If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Testing users: ask me about <nvidia squeeze>. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net). |
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| 03:01.04 | factor | !nvidia squeeze |
| 03:01.04 | dpkg | The nvidia drivers currently in squeeze are compatible with the squeeze kernel. No need for a testing/unstable mix now. Use either module-assistant or DKMS to compile them; ask me about <nvidia m-a> <nvidia dkms>. They are incompatible with <nouveau> <KMS> (nouveau kernel module blacklisted as of nvidia-kernel-common 20100522). |
| 03:02.13 | factor | doing a make-kpkg on my system now to see if I can get it to compile then |
| 03:02.27 | factor | default kernels on testing dont work with binary driver at all |
| 03:02.37 | JairunCaloth | works for me |
| 03:02.40 | JairunCaloth | finally |
| 03:02.44 | JairunCaloth | they were broken for a bit |
| 03:02.45 | factor | how |
| 03:02.59 | factor | 2.6.32? |
| 03:03.31 | JairunCaloth | pretty sure I just installed nvidia-glx |
| 03:03.35 | qq- | factor, unamr -r , says ? |
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| 03:03.52 | qq- | err, uname -r |
| 03:04.00 | factor | JairunCaloth, the binary driver or the ones that come with debian that suck really bad |
| 03:04.12 | factor | which I am using right now |
| 03:04.16 | JairunCaloth | it's binary drivers |
| 03:04.28 | factor | but I like to watch full screen HD , so I need the binary CUDA driver |
| 03:04.56 | JairunCaloth | NVIDIA Driver Version: 195.36.24 |
| 03:05.18 | JairunCaloth | 2.6.32-5-amd64 |
| 03:05.28 | factor | devdriver_3.1_linux_32_256.35.run |
| 03:05.58 | factor | CUDA 3.1 driver |
| 03:06.07 | factor | default nvidia drivers are ok but not the best |
| 03:06.21 | factor | works on stable debian just fine |
| 03:06.55 | qq- | factor, that's _not_ supported in #debian |
| 03:07.14 | factor | just asking if anyone has done it |
| 03:07.14 | JairunCaloth | I was having to use the drivers from NVIDIA's website for a while. But a couple of weeks ago they got the ones in testing repo straightened out. |
| 03:07.33 | factor | ok I will try them , how do I get them |
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| 03:07.39 | factor | I love the dev drives though |
| 03:07.46 | JairunCaloth | factor: it works fine, just be prepared to rebuild your driver every time you do a kernel upgrade. |
| 03:07.57 | factor | oh no doubt. |
| 03:08.03 | chilli0 | Hello , How can I downloaded debian without GUI? ( I need the whole thing so I dont need to install over network) |
| 03:08.10 | factor | I have used nvidia drives for at least a half a decade if now more |
| 03:08.30 | factor | but how do I get the nvidia driver from the repo , I get all mine form the web site. |
| 03:08.34 | Mordbrann | chilli0, download or install? |
| 03:08.40 | JairunCaloth | I can't tell a difference between the ones in the repo and the driver straight from NVIDIA's website |
| 03:08.47 | JairunCaloth | they are the same thing basicly. |
| 03:08.54 | chilli0 | Mordbrann, Well , download a debian with out gui. then ill install it. |
| 03:08.59 | factor | you had a default driver , not as good as the cuda drivers |
| 03:09.12 | Mordbrann | chilli0, try bittorrent :) |
| 03:09.15 | factor | but I would be happy if I can just get the default one to work |
| 03:09.20 | chilli0 | Mordbrann, ( I'm not keen on downloading the big ISO if i'm not going to be using the gui) |
| 03:09.39 | JairunCaloth | chilli0: get the netinstall cd |
| 03:10.00 | Mordbrann | chilli0, I'm confused; do you want to install off the network? or download an ISO without using a browser? |
| 03:10.08 | factor | <JairunCaloth>How do I get the nvidia driver in the repo |
| 03:10.19 | chilli0 | Mordbrann, I don't want to install off network. |
| 03:10.39 | chilli0 | I just want the get the iso( by any means) so I can install debian with out a gui. |
| 03:10.51 | chilli0 | I will be installing it on a few computers , thats why I dont want the network install. |
| 03:11.03 | jpinx-eeepc | !clone |
| 03:11.03 | dpkg | our $apt=Blootbot->new($apt) |
| 03:11.18 | jpinx-eeepc | !install |
| 03:11.18 | dpkg | There are a myriad different ways to install Debian. See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer for a list of images. Ask me about <install guide> and <d-i> for detailed instructions. (If you've never installed Debian before, you should read the install guide.) |
| 03:11.39 | JairunCaloth | factor: are there any apps out there that take advantage of CUDA? |
| 03:11.41 | Mordbrann | don't believe Debian forces a gui, but it's been years since I've installed (solid as a rock that sinks an ark, hell yeah) |
| 03:11.46 | jpinx-eeepc | chilli0: I a looking for the method to do mulitple installs |
| 03:11.52 | JairunCaloth | factor: aptitude search nvidia |
| 03:12.09 | chilli0 | jpinx-eeepc, I just need an ISO with out gui. |
| 03:12.35 | factor | i write my own stuff but yes it has a video driver built in for video |
| 03:12.37 | jpinx-eeepc | chilli0: I don't think there is one - they all come with basic X |
| 03:12.43 | chilli0 | oh =S |
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| 03:12.56 | factor | seti also run cuda |
| 03:13.08 | jpinx-eeepc | chilli0: but you can ddo one netinstall and copy it onto the other boxes |
| 03:13.10 | JairunCaloth | chilli0: you can customize your own cd if you like |
| 03:13.28 | chilli0 | jpinx-eeepc, Ill just get the full iso. |
| 03:13.29 | jpinx-eeepc | chilli0: assuming the same architecture |
| 03:13.30 | JairunCaloth | I don't remember the specifics off the top of my head, but it's possible |
| 03:13.34 | factor | and I using default debian and I can watch anything full screen 1920 1200 which I could very effortless before. |
| 03:13.44 | factor | default debian video driver |
| 03:13.56 | JairunCaloth | yeah, the nv driver sucks balls |
| 03:14.01 | chilli0 | jpinx-eeepc, Should I get multi-arch then? |
| 03:14.06 | jpinx-eeepc | chilli0: you can purge what you don't after the isntall is finished |
| 03:14.10 | JairunCaloth | which isn't the same as the nvidia-glx driver |
| 03:14.20 | qq- | chilli0, you don't needs to install any gui |
| 03:14.29 | chilli0 | qq-, I know? |
| 03:14.42 | qq- | skeep tasksel |
| 03:14.50 | jpinx-eeepc | qq-: can you install from cd1 and skip X ? |
| 03:14.57 | JairunCaloth | The installer promps you for what type of system you want, just tell it you only want a base system |
| 03:15.17 | qq- | jpinx-eeepc, sure , as said |
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| 03:15.30 | chilli0 | qq-, Yes , But I wanted / want to get the smallest ISO possible that comes with no gui ( not a netinstall ) |
| 03:15.35 | jpinx-eeepc | qq-: cool - I've never done a cd install |
| 03:16.04 | qq- | chilli0, so use cd1 |
| 03:16.13 | chilli0 | qq-, Link please =D |
| 03:17.09 | JairunCaloth | http://lmgtfy.com/?q=debian+installers |
| 03:17.52 | qq- | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 03:18.04 | qq- | http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/debian-installer/ |
| 03:18.08 | chilli0 | qq-, What one is cd1? |
| 03:18.27 | qq- | i386 ? |
| 03:18.44 | chilli0 | Of the full cd/dvd set or what? |
| 03:19.02 | qq- | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.5/i386/iso-cd/debian-505-i386-CD-1.iso |
| 03:19.14 | factor | <JairunCaloth>I can only see two drivers for nvidia xserver-xorg-video-nouveau and xserver-xorg-video-nv |
| 03:19.19 | chilli0 | Thanks. |
| 03:19.23 | qq- | np |
| 03:19.55 | factor | <JairunCaloth>no binary drivers in the list |
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| 03:24.23 | shogunx | !bongswat |
| 03:24.23 | dpkg | methinks bongswat is "Hit the bong, man!" |
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| 03:26.51 | MangoMaster | I need help running IRC in wine for Ubuntu |
| 03:27.33 | MangoMaster | why do these channels exist if no one looks at the screen? |
| 03:29.34 | tbsaunde | !ubuntu |
| 03:29.34 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 03:29.54 | qq- | MangoMaster, try #winehq on irc.freenode.net |
| 03:29.59 | MangoMaster | couldn't register for #ubuntu |
| 03:30.07 | MangoMaster | figured it would be similar |
| 03:30.13 | MangoMaster | thanks anyway |
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| 03:30.37 | tbsaunde | MangoMaster: why do you want to use irc in wine? |
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| 03:44.54 | factor | ok going to reboot see if I can get my kernel to work with the binary driver |
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| 03:52.21 | factor | ok recompiled my own kernel without the nvidia fb drivers and it works |
| 03:52.34 | factor | have not had to cmpile my own kernel in a long time. |
| 03:52.41 | factor | will need to recompile toi get vserver stuff. |
| 03:52.50 | factor | where is the vserver stuff on menuconfig |
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| 03:55.18 | simonrvn | there's a search feature |
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| 03:55.45 | factor | search in menuconfig now |
| 03:55.48 | factor | sweet |
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| 03:56.32 | factor | anyone have to know the commandline control for dbus scanning |
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| 03:57.00 | factor | cool searched and nothing found on vserver is it a patch |
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| 04:05.44 | simonrvn | factor: no. did you search with ALL CAPS, or just mixed case? |
| 04:05.50 | simonrvn | because it does matter |
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| 04:06.29 | factor | humm |
| 04:06.31 | factor | lower case |
| 04:07.33 | factor | all of the above . noting on vserver |
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| 04:09.23 | krab484 | Can someone open the console and type: test --version |
| 04:10.03 | krab484 | or type: test --help |
| 04:10.21 | krab484 | is it meant to show anything? |
| 04:11.09 | qq- | dpkg -l | grep test |
| 04:11.09 | dpkg | ii | grep test 1.6-4.3 qq-'s private stamp collection |
| 04:11.47 | krab484 | lol..i don't think it's for stamp collecting ; ) |
| 04:12.02 | krab484 | test is a part of bash it compares strings, apparently |
| 04:12.07 | jpinx-eeepc | krab484: what are you trying to do? |
| 04:12.32 | krab484 | just wondering if "test" in bash is working |
| 04:12.47 | jpinx-eeepc | test - check file types and compare values |
| 04:12.57 | jpinx-eeepc | krab484: man test |
| 04:13.58 | krab484 | notice that man test says it uses --help and --version, yet when i type that, nothing happens. |
| 04:14.29 | krab484 | that could be another test located in /usr/bin/test |
| 04:15.03 | krab484 | there's two tests, on in bash, other in /usr/bin/test |
| 04:15.46 | krab484 | the reason i ask, is because a make file is giving me errors when test is used. |
| 04:16.38 | krab484 | more info: |
| 04:16.41 | krab484 | The test command is a Bash builtin which tests file types and compares strings. Therefore, in a Bash script, test does not call the external /usr/bin/test binary, which is part of the sh-utils package. Likewise, [ does not call /usr/bin/[, which is linked to /usr/bin/test. |
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| 04:17.34 | krab484 | i couldn't find the sh-utils package in lenny repo |
| 04:18.07 | BlackWeb | whats up everyone |
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| 04:19.20 | ReclusSchimmelbu | anyone know why Comcast oregon I would get 2KB/s download from all servers? |
| 04:20.20 | ReclusSchimmelbu | Im trying to install debian and... retrieving file 2 of 5 is going to take 50 mins |
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| 04:21.50 | sweetpi | krab484: see shellutils or coreutils |
| 04:22.08 | krab484 | ok..thanks |
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| 04:32.10 | bcw | well, i've tried everything i can think of, but still no wireless. i removed network-manager and added "iface wlan0 inet dhcp" to /etc/network/interfaces, the DHCP client failed. i installed wicd, it said no wireless networks detected or something like that. i even installed lshw since some troubleshooting forum posts (for ubuntu, which i know is based on debian) suggested using it, and i got "*-network DISABLED" for wlan0. any |
| 04:32.10 | bcw | more ideas? |
| 04:33.09 | sweetpi | bcw: give wpa_supplicant a try? |
| 04:33.54 | bcw | i have wpasupplicant installed, is there anything else special i need to do? |
| 04:34.31 | nsadmin | bcw you shoudl set at least the essid |
| 04:35.07 | sweetpi | you should put your settings in a config file, then in interfaces something like "wpa-conf /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf" |
| 04:35.07 | bcw | nsadmin, with iwconfig? |
| 04:35.31 | sweetpi | thats how i do it at least |
| 04:35.37 | nsadmin | well I dunno about that part; maybe. but I set mine in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 04:36.58 | bcw | i hesitate to ask, but is it possible my wireless card itself has crapped out? |
| 04:37.15 | nsadmin | well anything's possible... |
| 04:37.40 | nsadmin | how can you check it for sure? |
| 04:38.00 | bcw | i don't know, but i'd like to |
| 04:38.14 | nsadmin | is the mchine a dual boot |
| 04:38.17 | bcw | no |
| 04:38.32 | sweetpi | bcw: here is my configs: http://pastebin.com/ZcVirTfP |
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| 04:39.52 | bcw | sweetpi, ok, i'll try that. |
| 04:40.03 | sweetpi | the nice thing about using the wpa-conf option is you can specify multiple networks |
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| 04:45.50 | bcw | i'd rather not have to specify each network i want to use in a static config file... network-manager was doing it dynamically until my wireless suddenly stopped working |
| 04:46.02 | bcw | but i haven't tried the idea yet |
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| 04:46.07 | bricky | hey whats up |
| 04:47.12 | sweetpi | bcw: well you could at least try this and make sure its going to work at all, then try to get network manager to work |
| 04:47.25 | bcw | yes, so i will. |
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| 04:49.50 | bcw | is there a manual page that describes the syntax of this wpa-conf file? |
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| 04:50.50 | sweetpi | bcw: man wpa_supplicant.conf |
| 04:51.51 | bcw | ok, thanks |
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| 04:55.56 | bcw | i'm gonna have to quit for a moment to restart my networking and test it out. be back in a bit |
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| 04:58.02 | ReclusSchimmelbu | How do I do a Kernel Update in debian? |
| 04:58.46 | bcw | the dhcp client failed with "send_packet: Network is down" |
| 04:58.59 | sweetpi | ReclusSchimmelbu: just install the new kernel from aptitude |
| 04:59.17 | courpse | My mic keeps looping back, how can i halt that? |
| 04:59.28 | sweetpi | bcw: ifdown wlan0; ifconfig wlan0 down; ifup wlan0 |
| 04:59.57 | ReclusSchimmelbu | Is 2.6.26-2 ok to use? or do I need to upgrade? |
| 05:00.08 | bricky | how and dont my animations work for compiz anybody have that? |
| 05:00.23 | sweetpi | ReclusSchimmelbu: thats a pretty old version |
| 05:00.36 | bcw | ok, gonna try that. be back in a bit. |
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| 05:00.53 | ReclusSchimmelbu | sweetpi how to I install the lastest? |
| 05:00.59 | ReclusSchimmelbu | late* |
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| 05:01.32 | sweetpi | ReclusSchimmelbu: search aptitude for linux-image |
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| 05:01.56 | jpinx-eeepc | ,kernels |
| 05:01.57 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.34-1-686 (2.6.34-1~experimental.2); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-15); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-15); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-15~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-24); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
| 05:01.59 | bcw | still failed with the same error |
| 05:02.36 | sweetpi | bcw: i actually just had this problem a few hours ago... are you sure your wireless isnt turned off? |
| 05:03.04 | sweetpi | i bumped my wireless switch on the side.. bleh |
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| 05:03.19 | bcw | i know the router is accepting wireless connections from my PS3... |
| 05:03.40 | sweetpi | bcw: i mean on the laptop, if thats what your using |
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| 05:03.58 | bcw | maybe it is. how would i check? |
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| 05:04.20 | sweetpi | bcw: there should be a wireless button or maybe a fn+wireless button |
| 05:04.55 | sweetpi | mine just has a slider on the front of the laptop |
| 05:05.03 | bcw | there is a button with a little wireless icon, but i've already tried pushing it once (and waiting), several times, and holding it down for 30 seconds |
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| 05:05.16 | sweetpi | does it light up? |
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| 05:05.58 | sweetpi | for some reason i had to remove/add the wireless driver after i turned it back on |
| 05:05.59 | bcw | it is solid blue, where it was flashing between amber and blue while i was using wireless before, and solid amber only before i upgraded to squeeze |
| 05:06.11 | courpse | my input seems to pick up output directly. |
| 05:06.29 | sweetpi | bcw: what driver do you use? |
| 05:06.34 | bcw | ath5k |
| 05:07.10 | sweetpi | bcw: same, ifdown wlan0; ifconfig wlan0 down; modprobe -r ath5k; modprobe ath5k; ifup wlan0 |
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| 05:09.44 | bcw | now i'm getting an interesting error with the last step: "SIOCSIFFLAGS: Unknown error 132 [newline] Could not set interface 'wlan0' UP" |
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| 05:10.30 | sweetpi | bcw: did you do each of those steps separate, or just as i typed? |
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| 05:11.30 | sweetpi | bcw: do them separate, and give a few seconds in-between especially the modprobe parts |
| 05:11.38 | bcw | i tried it first just as you typed, then separately to see what was coming from what |
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| 05:15.28 | bcw | i just did it again, waiting a few seconds between each. almost the same error, except the SIOCSIFFLAGS: ... part appeared twice and the second line didn't appear |
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| 05:19.15 | sweetpi | bcw: try "rfkill unblock all", then try again |
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| 05:23.49 | bcw | unfortunately, that didn't work (i thought it might, reading its manpage) |
| 05:24.54 | sweetpi | bcw: what errors now? |
| 05:25.06 | bcw | same |
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| 05:25.59 | sweetpi | bcw: check dmesg and see if anything has errors with wifi |
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| 05:26.50 | ScriptManDan | have you guys heard what obama has been up to lately? |
| 05:26.53 | ScriptManDan | it makes me sick |
| 05:26.57 | necco | yeah i know |
| 05:27.01 | necco | more petraus shit |
| 05:27.03 | ScriptManDan | him and his croneys |
| 05:27.10 | ScriptManDan | i'm goddamned sick of it |
| 05:27.11 | necco | pretty much |
| 05:27.21 | necco | if i hear another a** kisser line |
| 05:27.24 | necco | kicker i mean |
| 05:27.32 | ScriptManDan | i'm sick of these pinko liberals trying to ruin our great country |
| 05:27.47 | necco | the socialists and the rothchilds are working together now |
| 05:27.54 | ScriptManDan | it's not what the forefathers had in mind |
| 05:27.59 | cahoot | you prefer conservatives to ruin it? |
| 05:28.08 | necco | espically after disgracing the poor general |
| 05:28.09 | ScriptManDan | it's better than a KENYAN IMMIGRANT |
| 05:28.18 | necco | muslim too, another lie |
| 05:28.21 | sweetpi | spam much? |
| 05:28.30 | necco | sweetpi: sorry i just love my country |
| 05:28.32 | ScriptManDan | where are his papers? why won't he show them? |
| 05:28.33 | bcw | sweetpi, dmesg has "ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): wlan0: link is not ready" |
| 05:28.47 | necco | hopefully scott brown will show it |
| 05:28.55 | ScriptManDan | it's all part of the plan to turn america into a country of immigrants |
| 05:28.59 | necco | i couldn't vote hard enough for scott brown |
| 05:29.06 | necco | and THEN they get pissed off aabout arizona |
| 05:29.11 | sweetpi | spam much? |
| 05:29.13 | ScriptManDan | and to turn mexico and the united states into one country |
| 05:29.23 | sweetpi | bcw: thats normal |
| 05:29.28 | necco | it'll be a long time before i let them get their hands on texas |
| 05:29.46 | ScriptManDan | first they get one of their own in (and immigrant), then they fight for immigrant rights, then they open up the border to mexico |
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| 05:29.56 | necco | it's insane |
| 05:30.04 | ScriptManDan | they're already trying to take our guns |
| 05:30.05 | necco | the mexicans want texas back too |
| 05:30.16 | necco | yeah i keep my sig p229hr close these days |
| 05:30.26 | ScriptManDan | they know that once we're unarmed, we won't be able to fight agains the vile things that take over our great country |
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| 05:30.36 | ScriptManDan | it pisses me off |
| 05:30.36 | nsadmin | umm |
| 05:30.39 | necco | it's unconstitutional |
| 05:30.45 | nsadmin | better than being pissed on |
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| 05:30.47 | necco | plug the d*mn hole already |
| 05:30.48 | ScriptManDan | have they not heard of the third amendment? |
| 05:30.53 | necco | exactly |
| 05:30.56 | ScriptManDan | oh that's right, THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT THE CONSTITUION |
| 05:31.11 | ScriptManDan | it's unamerican is what it is |
| 05:31.12 | necco | yeah and ZOG with it's internet shutoff switch too now |
| 05:31.18 | sweetpi | nsadmin: arent those bots? |
| 05:31.23 | necco | obama can flick the internet off any time he wants |
| 05:31.26 | nsadmin | are they? |
| 05:31.33 | ScriptManDan | just you wait, next thing you know your wallet's going to be stuffed with a bunch of jew Ameros |
| 05:31.41 | sweetpi | i think so |
| 05:31.42 | necco | the amero is the worst thing imaginable |
| 05:31.43 | ScriptManDan | it's coming |
| 05:31.56 | necco | this is why we have to be prepared in november |
| 05:32.01 | nsadmin | !ops necco ScriptManDan political spambots |
| 05:32.01 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: nsadmin complains about: necco ScriptManDan political spambots |
| 05:32.02 | necco | get the vote out and oust the socialists |
| 05:32.03 | ScriptManDan | sweetpi you mock me but just you wait |
| 05:32.18 | necco | you never know |
| 05:32.43 | ScriptManDan | who's going to be laughing when the jews turn this country into the United States of Amexico? |
| 05:32.54 | necco | you know who |
| 05:33.00 | necco | the same people that imprisoned weev |
| 05:33.09 | ScriptManDan | not me, i'll fight the vile demons to my death |
| 05:33.31 | necco | if ron paul didn't have his election stolen this wouldnt have happened |
| 05:33.37 | ScriptManDan | that's right |
| 05:33.45 | necco | ron paul will be the true victor in 2012 |
| 05:33.51 | ScriptManDan | there have been many that have been warning us |
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| 05:33.55 | bcw | will fight the vile daemons till the next crontab :P |
| 05:33.58 | ScriptManDan | but this damned sicko country has turned a deaf ear |
| 05:34.07 | necco | it's hollyweird's doing |
| 05:34.11 | necco | and the bildeberg |
| 05:34.14 | nsadmin | just /ignore them |
| 05:34.16 | ScriptManDan | exactly |
| 05:34.21 | ScriptManDan | it's all the jews in the media |
| 05:34.24 | necco | nsadmin: the Truth can't be silenced |
| 05:34.31 | nsadmin | but you can |
| 05:34.33 | ScriptManDan | it doesn't matter to them |
| 05:34.34 | necco | Ron Paul 2012, WPWW |
| 05:34.37 | ScriptManDan | all they see is money |
| 05:34.54 | ScriptManDan | while the everyday man will suffer, they will be rolling in their jew gold |
| 05:34.55 | necco | yeah funded by the blood of the innocent |
| 05:35.02 | necco | the most innocent, the unborn |
| 05:35.04 | necco | murdered |
| 05:35.20 | ScriptManDan | come on |
| 05:35.23 | ScriptManDan | doesn't this make you mad? |
| 05:35.36 | necco | i am EAT (enraged at keyboard) |
| 05:35.37 | ScriptManDan | we have to fight this invasion |
| 05:35.46 | ScriptManDan | before it's too late |
| 05:35.48 | bcw | this spamming makes me slightly irritated, yes |
| 05:35.50 | necco | americans that still believe in freedom have to arm themselves |
| 05:36.11 | necco | move out of the liberal ZOG occupied cities and into the country |
| 05:36.12 | ScriptManDan | they want to take away our freedom one step and one gun at a time |
| 05:36.17 | ScriptManDan | well i say BAH to that |
| 05:36.28 | necco | i hear you, brother |
| 05:36.31 | ScriptManDan | that's right |
| 05:36.44 | ScriptManDan | through much prayer and solemn thought, i've seen the light |
| 05:36.58 | ScriptManDan | i know that our savior will protect us |
| 05:37.05 | necco | agreed, praise Him |
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| 05:37.07 | necco | and pass the ammo |
| 05:37.17 | sweetpi | is this the redneck spam network? |
| 05:37.18 | ScriptManDan | it's going to be a battle like that of scripture |
| 05:37.38 | necco | sweetpi: the Left has just brainwashed you |
| 05:37.42 | ScriptManDan | the good christian man versus the filthy jews and their puppet legions |
| 05:38.03 | necco | the ZOGists and the freemasons have polluted it |
| 05:38.07 | sweetpi | sweet! i love me some good brainwashing |
| 05:38.16 | sweetpi | feeds the bots.. oops |
| 05:38.22 | ScriptManDan | they might have the world's gold and resources on their side, but we have a little thing called G-O-D on ours |
| 05:38.27 | necco | *** EOF |
| 05:38.48 | ScriptManDan | and as any smart man knows, GOD is great |
| 05:39.06 | necco | ERROR: !restart is not a valid command. |
| 05:39.21 | ScriptManDan | whether i live to see the filthy devils be purged from this land or not, i know that i will find my peace in heaven |
| 05:39.36 | ScriptManDan | and i know that i will die fighting the sickos |
| 05:39.51 | necco | LET THE POTOMAC RUN RED WITH THE BLOOD OF THE INTERNATIONAL LORDS OF FINANCE VOTE RON PAUL GOLD IS MONEY /\ \¯/ VOTE RON PAUL KILL YOUR FATHER |
| 05:40.04 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:40.09 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:40.13 | ScriptManDan | you can stick your fingers in your ear all you'd like |
| 05:40.25 | ScriptManDan | it's still going to come like a night train |
| 05:40.36 | ScriptManDan | it will come in attempts to destroy all the good people of the world |
| 05:40.51 | ScriptManDan | you have been warned |
| 05:40.57 | ScriptManDan | don't say i didn't tell you so |
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| 05:41.22 | necco | install gNewSense for real freedom |
| 05:41.32 | necco | www.gnewsense.org |
| 05:41.49 | epsilon | !ops off topic spamming in channel |
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| 05:42.50 | bcw | well, i'm tired and hungry, so i think i'll pick up this problem another time. thanks for the attempted help, sweetpi and others |
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| 05:45.19 | bricky | anybody a kind good hearted individual who wants to help me out via remote desktop? |
| 05:46.22 | bricky | I have tried troubleshooting on forums and irc channels but hit roadblocks every time : |
| 05:46.42 | nsadmin | the history of that documented? |
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| 05:47.00 | bricky | pardon me? |
| 05:47.25 | bricky | well, documented, in ways yes, |
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| 05:48.01 | bricky | more or less still have my failed drivers, and the messages that go along with them |
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| 05:48.09 | nsadmin | cool... what you should do, is start a web page that contains that history and everything else you know about the problem |
| 05:48.37 | nsadmin | new information you learn later should be added |
| 05:48.43 | bricky | I have ran across the issue in forums before, nothing quite like my problem though , seemingly always the issue :P |
| 05:48.50 | bricky | I shall, |
| 05:49.10 | bricky | I could name everything I had done so far and everything that failed? does that help? |
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| 05:49.28 | nsadmin | that would be excellent as well |
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| 05:49.49 | bricky | somebody also told me the coding of the make file was quite under par |
| 05:50.08 | bricky | not to knock the dev it does work. |
| 05:50.13 | fredden | can anyone help me with an LVS problem? I'm getting "Couldn't find device with uuid ..." after changing the partition's size (larger) |
| 05:50.19 | nsadmin | so you're trying to build something? |
| 05:50.32 | bricky | nsadmin: not at all, I would if I could |
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| 05:51.49 | bricky | nsadmin: im quite confidant it's not anything to do with me installing them, just need another opinion really |
| 05:52.12 | bricky | by that I mean, I most likely did the install correctly, (hopefully) |
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| 05:52.38 | bricky | just tons of issues with blacklisting mods, depmod, insmod, rmmod, etc |
| 05:53.00 | mordocai | Hello, i have a problem with my printer. I have it shared by a windows XP machine, and connect to it with samba. This all works fine. However, when I send a print job the printer acts like it is going to print then sits there with Printing... displayed until i turn it off. Even hitting cancel or canceling it from the windows queue doesn't work! It is a HP OfficeJet 4110 All-in-one. I looked into hplip (instead of hpcups and hpijs which are the defaults, |
| 05:53.01 | mordocai | both tried) but it doesn't look like it works with samba? I searched google, but couldn't find anything pertaining to my issue. Anyone know of a fix? |
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| 05:56.31 | mordocai | Forgot to mention, works fine printing from the windows XP machine. Not sure about locally attached to the linux machine, as I don't really want to move the printer or the linux machine so that they can locally connect. |
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| 06:01.43 | bricky | heres one |
| 06:01.52 | X-Raimo | hello, we running server on Debian and today we had error: "kernel panic - not syncing: I0-apic + timer doesn't work! boot with apic". Which was hard to expain because we already added line noapic to grub. What shall we do? |
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| 06:02.04 | bricky | why cant you generate windows previews on anything without the window already being 'active' |
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| 06:06.50 | marc_ | is xfce 4.6 still broken in debian-backports for lenny? |
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| 06:16.05 | SPF | how can I get a list of folders containing files with a specific extension using find? |
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| 06:16.43 | inspiron | is there a way to point aptitude to a different sources.list file? |
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| 06:20.43 | bricky | hey is there a way to install windows on a real physical partition under linux? |
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| 06:21.34 | sweetpi | inspiron: aptitude -o Dir::Etc::SourceList=foo.sources.list |
| 06:21.49 | inspiron | bricky: yeah just boot your windows installation disk and install it |
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| 06:22.58 | bricky | cant |
| 06:23.15 | bricky | is there any other way since windows is lame and doesnt detect hardware on boot |
| 06:23.44 | bricky | my computer over heats for no reason |
| 06:23.53 | inspiron | can you explain a little bit more why you can't install it? Are just trying to double boot linux and windows? |
| 06:24.14 | bricky | seems to happen when the CPU runs at full speed or 100% thought it was the video card but I suppose not. |
| 06:24.31 | bricky | over heating, tried cleaning it, tried cooling it.. |
| 06:25.08 | bricky | I have to put up the CPU monitor widget and power it down for it to not overheat haha |
| 06:25.20 | inspiron | sweetpi: it's not working - tried to point it to the same sources.list I am using but moved to my home folder and it doesn't really read it |
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| 06:25.35 | jpinx-eeepc | SPF: ls and grep options are possibly what you need |
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| 06:27.57 | SPF | jpinx-eeepc: I get list too long with ls |
| 06:28.07 | sweetpi | inspiron: don't know what to tell you, it works fine here. maybe try updating the package list |
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| 06:30.09 | sweetpi | SPF: whats wrong with the find command? |
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| 06:32.21 | inspiron | sweetpi: hmmm what I'm trying to do is allow a user to specify their own sources.list and then download packages from there via aptitude or apt-get. He/she still can install them but can do aptitude download. Is there a way to do that and is aptitude/apt-get the way or do I have to write something which will manually browse the repos |
| 06:34.26 | sweetpi | inspiron: ive never tried like that, just used alternate sources to quickly disable a few repos |
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| 06:38.14 | uofm49426 | running lenny can anyone tell me why windows and debian cant keep the same time |
| 06:38.28 | SPF | sweetpi: the find command gives me all the files, I just want the directories where the specific files are in |
| 06:38.30 | nevyn | are either of these virtualised? |
| 06:38.42 | nevyn | uofm49426: or do you mean a dual boot? |
| 06:38.52 | uofm49426 | yeah |
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| 06:39.34 | uofm49426 | when i change one to the right time the other goes a head about 3 4 hour |
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| 06:40.40 | mordocai | uofm49426: Yeah, you need to change the setting that "Local time clock uses UTC" on debian. One second, need to remember how. |
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| 06:44.53 | peterrooney | mordocai: huh, never thought of that. I only recall seeing that question in the installer. |
| 06:45.27 | craigevil | !tzdata |
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| 06:45.59 | mordocai | meh, remembered finally. |
| 06:46.03 | mordocai | (well, looked it up) |
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| 06:46.09 | craigevil | !set time |
| 06:46.09 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install <ntp> or <openntpd> to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. You may also need to run dpkg-reconfigure tzdata (lenny and later) or tzconfig (etch and earlier) to set the time zone, and verify the UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS prior. |
| 06:46.21 | mordocai | Ype, /etc/default/rcS |
| 06:46.24 | mordocai | yep* |
| 06:46.48 | mordocai | Too bad he quit lol |
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| 06:47.32 | craigevil | impatient, of course it wasnt anything a quick google search wouldn't have told him |
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| 06:48.05 | mordocai | By the way, i don't mind using the CLI, but for people who are afraid of it: Is there a GUI way to do that? In fedora it's there is... i don't remember what it was called though. (I converted to debian, overall much happier) |
| 06:48.45 | mordocai | I guess you could always gedit the file... so i guess i mean a way that doesn't involve editing a file by hand. |
| 06:50.51 | SPF | is there a faster way to do this? -> find . -iname '*mp3' | sed 's/\(.*\)\/\([^\/]*\)/\1/' | uniq |
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| 06:54.48 | mordocai | SPF: "find ./ -iname '*.ogg' -printf '%h\n' | uniq" do the same thing? |
| 06:54.56 | mordocai | well, except i use ogg lol |
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| 06:55.47 | mordocai | I don't know if it's really that much faster, but it cuts sed out so it should be a bit faster. If you mean typing wise, that should be much faster. |
| 06:56.56 | SPF | mordocai: I think it's a lot faster, thx anyway |
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| 07:26.31 | xerox1 | hi, is there an alternative for mcabber that supports multiple accounts? |
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| 07:30.12 | craigevil | xerox1: irssi+bitlbee or any irc client+bitlbee, or minbif instead of bitlbee |
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| 07:30.54 | xerox1 | craigevil, thx; i will try that |
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| 07:35.27 | azizLIGHTS | does the debian logo go clockwise or counter clockwise? |
| 07:36.18 | joltcan | azizLIGHTS: counter |
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| 07:36.38 | joltcan | or does it? :) |
| 07:36.44 | azizLIGHTS | so spirals outward? |
| 07:36.56 | joltcan | azizLIGHTS: I was thinking the way you write a @ symbol |
| 07:37.15 | joltcan | But I really don't have a good answer |
| 07:37.28 | azizLIGHTS | though i think some people may write @ from the outside |
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| 07:41.15 | joltcan | azizLIGHTS: So then I guess the answer is "both" |
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| 07:42.25 | joltcan | azizLIGHTS: The answer is clockwise |
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| 07:43.26 | joltcan | Just found an email thread from 2004. The logo is supposed to mean "magical smoke", Electrical engineer lore is that when you burn out an electronic component, you cause the "magic smoke" that makes it work to be released |
| 07:43.41 | joltcan | Debian is supposed to be the magic smoke that makes your computer work |
| 07:44.02 | azizLIGHTS | its spiralling inward then |
| 07:44.04 | joltcan | And I would guess that smoke starts from bottom and then swirls |
| 07:44.18 | joltcan | But it's "magical", so who knows! |
| 07:44.25 | joltcan | Thanks for an interesting discussion :) |
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| 07:44.30 | azizLIGHTS | :) |
| 07:45.13 | joltcan | it was Bruce Perens who wrote the email, so I guess thats enough authority |
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| 07:47.52 | joltcan | azizLIGHTS: My office-übergeek says that it's supposed to be from toy story |
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| 07:51.35 | joltcan | azizLIGHTS: he says that it's from Buzz chin: http://projectblogger.ie/starman/files/2009/10/buzz.jpg |
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| 07:52.07 | joltcan | Which I guess fits nicely with the naming convention |
| 07:52.44 | joltcan | azizLIGHTS: So pick your poison |
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| 07:55.11 | i_am_deviant | morning |
| 07:55.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | joltcan, the one on buzz's chin spirals in the other direction |
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| 07:55.49 | i_am_deviant | sorry .. one more Q: .. howto disable ipv6 in debian .. ipv6.disable=1 passed to kernel just doesn't work |
| 07:56.04 | joltcan | CutMeOwnThroat: Yes, I saw that, but maybe it was artistic? It was a logo competition :) |
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| 07:57.10 | i_am_deviant | nooo .. blacliksting modules in year of 2010 is big act of ignorancy |
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| 07:57.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | joltcan, well... perhaps Buzz drew it... standing in front of a mirror... |
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| 07:58.03 | joltcan | CutMeOwnThroat: :) |
| 07:58.15 | joltcan | I go with the "magical smoke" |
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| 07:58.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah... read that some time ago |
| 07:58.41 | joltcan | i_am_deviant: /msg dpkg noipv6 |
| 07:59.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think from what he said he knows that one... |
| 07:59.47 | jelly-home | i_am_deviant: you need to use the method adequate for your kernel version |
| 07:59.47 | i_am_deviant | install ipv6 /bin/true |
| 07:59.59 | i_am_deviant | into modprobe.d |
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| 08:00.12 | i_am_deviant | joltcan: ok |
| 08:00.16 | jelly-home | i_am_deviant: so, uname -r ? |
| 08:00.44 | i_am_deviant | joltcan: thanks .. it seems strange to me but ok .. i expected something like `alias ipv6 off` |
| 08:00.56 | i_am_deviant | joltcan: up-to-date lenny |
| 08:01.03 | joltcan | i_am_deviant: No idea, I do use ipv6 :) |
| 08:01.09 | i_am_deviant | # uname -r |
| 08:01.09 | i_am_deviant | 2.6.26-2-686-bigmem |
| 08:01.24 | jelly-home | the above is correct for that kernel |
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| 08:01.37 | i_am_deviant | ok, thanks |
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| 08:01.56 | i_am_deviant | i'm used to just put ipv6.disable=1 on kernel line in menu.lst |
| 08:01.57 | jelly-home | even if you hate blacklisting |
| 08:02.19 | i_am_deviant | jelly-home: i hate only debian :) .. no offense folks |
| 08:02.25 | jelly-home | i_am_deviant: what you're used to only works on kernels 2.6.30 and newer |
| 08:02.57 | i_am_deviant | jelly-home: probably .. |
| 08:03.17 | jelly-home | it was introduced exactly because there's no way to disable the module any more |
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| 08:03.54 | i_am_deviant | jelly-home: i am not Linux guys .. i'm using Linux as my personal workstation only |
| 08:04.01 | i_am_deviant | s/guys/guy |
| 08:04.10 | i_am_deviant | normally |
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| 08:04.48 | jelly-home | i_am_deviant: well then, don't expect your expectations of technical solutions to always be correct or sensible |
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| 08:05.40 | i_am_deviant | jelly-home: but hence opensolaris/solaris is no longer free (oracle molesters want a doom for community and all Sun's portfolio), i moving my ass closer and closer to Linux |
| 08:05.58 | X-Raimo | hello, I've java appplication I cannot run in opera at Debian (the problem is: http://paste.org.ru/?wd50s0). The same version of opera at SuSE PC works great. Also firefox at Debian PC works great with application |
| 08:07.02 | jelly-home | X-Raimo: which debian release are you using? |
| 08:07.03 | i_am_deviant | jelly-home: no worry .. i'm bloody good and experienced UNIX engineer .. i have several linux certificates like RHCE and so |
| 08:07.17 | X-Raimo | jelly-home: lenny |
| 08:07.22 | jelly-home | i_am_deviant: I see you're also modest! |
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| 08:07.57 | i_am_deviant | tru dat .. i'm big fiend jelly-home .. but thanks much for help anyway .. got to do som,ething |
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| 08:08.34 | yamu | Hi people. Has anybody tried installing 'squeeze' via netinst on a newish laptop? netinst kernel can't handle the latest Intel firmware, and old-enough firmware is not available. |
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| 08:09.28 | EmleyMoor | yamu: Not tried, but back when I did mine (on lenny), I couldn't use the wireless |
| 08:10.26 | jelly-home | yamu: you can always install lenny and /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze, or install via wired and update the kernel |
| 08:10.57 | yamu | EmleyMoor: With 'squeeze', it detects the wireless, and says it needs firmware version 1 or 2. only the latest firmware is available in debian - version 4. |
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| 08:11.40 | yamu | jelly-home: for some reason I haven't figured out yet, the NIC is not detected by the installer, even after I 'modprobe' the right driver in a console. |
| 08:13.00 | jelly-home | X-Raimo: no idea. Is java detected at all? Does about: say "Java Java Runtime Environment installed" ? |
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| 08:13.26 | yamu | BTW, I've happily been on 'debian' @home since 'woody' :-) and on 'lenny' @work. Due to a H/W upgrade + policy change, I'm trying to install 'squeeze' via netinst onto a USB stick... |
| 08:13.59 | EmleyMoor | goes back as far as "slink" |
| 08:14.07 | X-Raimo | jelly-home: iceweasel works. Suppose java is up |
| 08:14.24 | jelly-home | X-Raimo: I'm asking about Opera. |
| 08:14.26 | yamu | EmleyMoor: cool! |
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| 08:15.31 | jelly-home | X-Raimo: is java enabled in F12 context menu? |
| 08:16.25 | X-Raimo | jelly-home: fixed. |
| 08:16.33 | yamu | So, why would 'squeeze' netinst kernels be much older & incompatible with the available 'squeeze' firmware? |
| 08:16.43 | X-Raimo | jelly-home: apt-get remove swfdec-mozilla - helped. |
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| 08:17.45 | lindi- | yamu: you might want to use squeeze livecd instead and start the installer from that |
| 08:18.06 | lindi- | yamu: http://live.debian.net |
| 08:18.49 | jelly-home | yamu: debian-installer development and the contents of it are somewhat separated from the contents of a release |
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| 08:19.17 | jelly-home | yamu: you might want to file an installation report/bug |
| 08:20.07 | yamu | lindi-: Good suggestion. I was just trying to kick-start the installation from as small a footprint as possible. Maybe I can try customizing using 'jigdo' too. |
| 08:20.51 | yamu | jelly-home: yup - 2 bugs maybe, 1 for the driver-firmware mismatch, 1 for the NIC not being detected inspite of it showing up in 'lspci' |
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| 08:21.08 | lindi- | yamu: i think debian live can fetch the system over HTTP too |
| 08:21.17 | lindi- | yamu: but that of course requires RAM |
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| 08:21.52 | jelly-home | yamu: lspci just lists what's on the bus, no guarantee there's a driver for any of it |
| 08:22.06 | jelly-home | !d-i |
| 08:22.07 | dpkg | 5.0 lenny is now the "stable" Debian release (Feb 14, 2009). See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. Developers page is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ . If you want to make custom install CDs, start with d-i. IRC: #debian-boot on irc.oftc.net. Also ask me about <errata>. |
| 08:22.23 | yamu | lindi-: You mean use the smallest available live CD to start the install? RAM isn't an issue on a newish machine :-) |
| 08:22.25 | jelly-home | yamu: that's the channel for the installer |
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| 08:23.01 | yamu | jelly-home: Thanks for that - I'll try #debian-boot too. |
| 08:23.17 | jelly-home | !d-i-status |
| 08:23.17 | dpkg | rumour has it, d-i-status is debian-installer (or D-I) current status at http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Today |
| 08:23.24 | lindi- | yamu: there's a web frontend for you to build your own live cd/usb stick |
| 08:23.32 | jelly-home | but that page doesn't list your issue and seems stale |
| 08:23.54 | yamu | jelly-home: I mentioned 'lspci' to say the device was up; even if the installer didn't load the driver itself, I 'modprobe'd it which still didn't help |
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| 08:24.53 | yamu | now that I think of it, the driver with the netinst kernel may not be new enough for the newish NIC too :-( |
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| 08:26.46 | yamu | Thanks for the suggestions, people. Have a good one. |
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| 08:27.45 | jurneyman | hi |
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| 08:38.57 | Arttatus | How much DVDs is need to install the system? All the 5 + update? |
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| 08:43.28 | Obligatory | Help, how do I set my ATI mobo video refresh rate without an 'xorg.conf'? This vsync 75hz is making me nauseous... |
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| 08:45.57 | Obligatory | Dag, #debian's kinda dead now, init... |
| 08:46.25 | perhamlinux | hi. I have compiled kernel 2.6.34 on my debian lenny, and removed unwanted modules and useless stuff, and set the processor family to core 2, I've also installed newest nvidia drivers (256.35) . I thought I had done all possible optimizations, but, my system is not much faster. in fact, I can't even tell the difference. so, what's the benefit in using a newer kernel ? |
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| 08:47.00 | i_am_deviant | perhamlinux: well |
| 08:47.07 | gusnan | perhamlinux, Support for newer hardware. |
| 08:47.08 | RichiH_ | perhamlinux: the benefit is more features and less bugs (over time) |
| 08:47.15 | i_am_deviant | perhamlinux: well .. how long are you using linux? |
| 08:47.19 | RichiH_ | speed is _not_ a consideration |
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| 08:47.27 | perhamlinux | it's been a few years |
| 08:47.36 | RichiH_ | even though gentoo pretends that to be the case ;) |
| 08:47.44 | perhamlinux | i_am_deviant: few years |
| 08:47.59 | perhamlinux | RichiH_: lol |
| 08:48.07 | i_am_deviant | perhamlinux: are you really using Linux *few years although you've wrote such a .. heh .. *thing? |
| 08:48.18 | Obligatory | perhamlinux, I've had good luck with adding more HDs for different busy parts of the file system. They don't have to be big HDs or fast even. |
| 08:49.05 | Obligatory | Refresh rates, sans xorg.conf, "debian way", anybody? |
| 08:49.30 | perhamlinux | i_am_deviant: what I meant was, if everything works ok in my system with kernel 2.6.26, is there any reason that I would like to upgrade to 2.6.34? |
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| 08:50.34 | Obligatory | perhamlinux, you want a top 10 list I reckon... |
| 08:50.45 | Bushmills | expecting your system to suddenly run considerably faster would not be one |
| 08:51.23 | RichiH_ | perhamlinux: if everything works, there is no reason to upgrade per se |
| 08:52.12 | RichiH | security fixes, support for new hardware, TRIM support in xfs, wanting to keep your unstable/testing machine up to date, trying new stuff are all valid reasons, though |
| 08:52.59 | RichiH | as to the awesome speed increase building from source gives you, refer to the official software distribution optimization site: http://funroll-loops.info/ |
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| 08:54.08 | perhamlinux | RichiH: I should say though, one of the reasons was to get ext4 support. now I have that. but, considering the amount of time I spent optimizing, it seems that it wasn't really worth it. |
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| 08:54.44 | perhamlinux | RichiH: that site is awesome btw :D |
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| 08:54.57 | i_am_deviant | perhamlinux: would you post somewhere kernel .config file? |
| 08:55.07 | i_am_deviant | perhamlinux: let's see what you have done :) |
| 08:55.57 | Obligatory | Can't take 75hz, back to 'xorg.conf' I guess... l8r. |
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| 08:57.07 | loopidity | any touchscreen laptops thats fully supported by debian? |
| 08:57.48 | i_am_deviant | perhamlinux: > cat `which _pastebin.pl ` | _pastebin.pl -t perl -n i_am_deviant -d 'cat `which _pastebin.pl ` | _pastebin.pl -t perl -n i_am_deviant' |
| 08:57.52 | i_am_deviant | http://pastebin.ca/1891670 |
| 08:58.06 | i_am_deviant | and all others .. ^^ feel free to use my script |
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| 08:59.31 | bricky | installing an OS from a usb drive is faster than a CD rom correct? |
| 08:59.56 | loopidity | bricky yes |
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| 09:00.23 | bricky | loopidjity: at least two times perhaps? |
| 09:00.33 | bricky | that will solve my over heating issue.. most definitly |
| 09:01.08 | bricky | it just wont have enough time to over heat it shouldnt take longer than 5 minutes over usb :D |
| 09:01.31 | bricky | im getting usb-creator right now, |
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| 09:03.41 | bricky | dont even want to stress how stressfull it is when theres a 1% chance of installing windows XP before it shuts off >.< |
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| 09:19.29 | EugenMayer | is there actually any proper way to mount FTP shares as filesystems for backups? (dont ask me why FTP..its my provider only having FTP backups space) |
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| 09:19.44 | petemc | EugenMayer: the only way is fuse, i thought |
| 09:19.53 | i_am_deviant | EugenMayer: ftpfs |
| 09:20.06 | i_am_deviant | apt-cache search ftpfs |
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| 09:20.15 | EugenMayer | petemc: well "proper" and fuse are in conflict. Storing large files gives you a segfault - seems still not to have been fixed |
| 09:20.16 | i_am_deviant | for example |
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| 09:20.39 | EugenMayer | i_am_deviant: thats fuse-based or? Did you ever tried it for larger files? |
| 09:21.10 | perhamlinux | i_am_deviant: sorry for the delay. wasn't here . here's the config: http://rapidshare.com/files/403775326/.config.html |
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| 09:21.30 | EugenMayer | currently i rather tend to use a simply FTP sync client. Just syncing the files somehow |
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| 09:22.22 | i_am_deviant | perhamlinux: no worry bud .. see this: http://pastebin.ca/1891670 |
| 09:22.33 | i_am_deviant | perhamlinux: it would be helpful next time |
| 09:23.44 | i_am_deviant | perhamlinux: would you simply repaste it by using my script: `cat $path_to_your_config | pastebin.pl` |
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| 09:24.05 | i_am_deviant | rapidshare wants me to make so many clicks and file is still there |
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| 09:26.19 | perhamlinux | i_am_deviant: http://pastebin.ca/1891690 |
| 09:26.28 | cantido | Is it possible to pass authentication (don't know if thats the right word) from box A over box B to box C with openssh? I the same public keys authorised on host B and C, but I don't want to copy the private part of the key to host B to login to host C using B as a proxy |
| 09:27.34 | perhamlinux | i_am_deviant: nice script btw. you wrote it urself? |
| 09:27.36 | i_am_deviant | perhamlinux: is it vanilla 2.6.34, right? |
| 09:27.41 | i_am_deviant | perhamlinux: yes |
| 09:27.50 | perhamlinux | i_am_deviant: yes |
| 09:27.59 | i_am_deviant | ok, i need to download it first |
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| 09:35.06 | Zaratustra | yuol |
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| 09:39.41 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 09:39.41 | dpkg | * Gnurdux touchtypes with 2 fingers, so sometimes he gets off |
| 09:40.08 | Zaratustra | hola |
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| 09:47.48 | bricky | wow you can get everything for free in linux |
| 09:47.51 | bricky | Blender FTW :D |
| 09:48.07 | Lana`thel | bricky , _almost_ ) |
| 09:48.48 | perhamlinux | i_am_deviant: what is $pastebinkey in your script? |
| 09:48.58 | Lana`thel | and its not bad to contribute something back... |
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| 09:50.33 | bricky | no id rather contribute to something like linux, its gone a long way .. you people are awesome |
| 09:51.26 | idimmu | what have you contributed to? |
| 09:51.32 | idimmu | any kernel patches? |
| 09:52.08 | RichiH | contributing can work in a myriad of ways. even sticking around, for example, #debian and helping others counts |
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| 09:52.22 | idimmu | grouphug :D |
| 09:52.42 | bricky | :P |
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| 09:52.50 | bricky | I got a rather odd question |
| 09:52.58 | Lana`thel | RichiH: indeed ) even if you cant write patches, some bugreport will do too, a proper bugreport ) |
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| 09:53.42 | RichiH | yah, good bug reports are important |
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| 09:54.15 | i_am_deviant | perhamlinux: at first .. you have enabled a lot of things in section *kernel hacking* |
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| 09:55.29 | i_am_deviant | perhamlinux: at second .. you have enabled paravirtualized guest support .. why on your cpu? |
| 09:56.10 | i_am_deviant | perhamlinux: at third .. does your cpu have hyperthreading .. i guess that not .. so why do you have it enabled? |
| 09:56.57 | perhamlinux | i_am_deviant: I have copied debians config, and then edited it. they may have remained from debian's configurations. let me check again |
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| 09:57.58 | gui_ | hi |
| 09:57.58 | i_am_deviant | perhamlinux: i can go on ;) .. i just took a look at glance on it |
| 09:58.22 | gui_ | where is perl module for debian : Geo/IP/PurePerl.pm |
| 09:59.03 | i_am_deviant | perhamlinux: you can't expect that this .config would run much better .. i think that it would increase perf about +5% Vs generic kernel |
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| 10:02.27 | bogomips | hi all, postfixadmin is not inside lenny repository ? |
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| 10:10.59 | jelly-home | cantido: yes, using ssh-agent, and providing you trust the root of box B |
| 10:13.17 | bricky | hey on gnome-look, which section has full blown themes, its confusing |
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| 10:13.49 | xxtjaxx | bricky: Gtk.Themes |
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| 10:14.54 | bricky | xxtjaxx: thanks dude |
| 10:18.12 | xxtjaxx | np |
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| 10:22.04 | decaf | hi everyone. I've got an "unknown date format" error from apt-get update. this looks like a "tar" error but never happened before when I'm updating package list |
| 10:22.10 | girrr | i'm trying to create a deb with user defined fields but I can't get dpkg --build to stop warning about the fields. aren't it supposed to allow fields with the prefix XBS-? |
| 10:22.28 | decaf | only on one system, all others work fine |
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| 10:24.31 | decaf | nevermind. there are a layer 7 firewall with a zero knowledge admin. it seems he did something stupid with http |
| 10:24.53 | rgr | why do you think its a "tar" issue? |
| 10:25.14 | jelly-home | decaf: so, it's a layer 8 issue |
| 10:25.53 | decaf | jelly-home: apparently yes |
| 10:26.12 | rgr | out of curiosity why would a "layer 7" issue screw up your dates? |
| 10:26.17 | arttatus | Hi. I installed Debian with KDE as default. How can i change to GNOME? |
| 10:26.28 | jelly-home | girrr: hey, if noone answers, try the mentors channel |
| 10:26.36 | decaf | rgr: not dates but tarballs |
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| 10:26.40 | jelly-home | !mentors |
| 10:26.40 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, mentors is the system that the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers and get their packages into the Debian archive. Ask me about <nmg> or <mg>. http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ http://mentors.debian.net/ #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org. |
| 10:26.43 | girrr | jelly-home, ok, thanks for the tip |
| 10:26.44 | rgr | what tar balls? |
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| 10:27.01 | decaf | rgr: ones apt-get fetchs |
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| 10:27.54 | jelly-home | decaf: heh, can you find a https mirror |
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| 10:30.07 | dapeamel | hey guys I got this problem " Configuration file "/home/dapeamel/.kde/share/config/kopeterc" not writable please contact your system admintrator |
| 10:30.14 | decaf | jelly-home: ftp works fine :) |
| 10:31.29 | xxtjaxx | dapeamel: what did you do to your .kde dir? or your homedir for that matter |
| 10:31.34 | jelly-home | decaf: problem solv^Wworked around! |
| 10:31.50 | dapeamel | really dont know :S just installed from synaptic |
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| 10:33.23 | mum-n-dad | Hi |
| 10:33.25 | mum-n-dad | Anybody know how to make a .tgz of this .deb? http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/t/ttf-indic-fonts/ttf-tamil-fonts_0.5.10ubuntu1_all.deb |
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| 10:33.48 | decaf | jelly-home: there was another smart guy. he installed a new winxp to provide me vmware console access. that xp had no port 80 access to anywhere . all other ports works fine. so, I couldn't use it to surf web :) |
| 10:33.48 | xxtjaxx | mum-n-dad: man alien I supppose? |
| 10:34.13 | mum-n-dad | xxtjaxx: alien is a tool? |
| 10:34.25 | xxtjaxx | indeed |
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| 10:34.37 | mum-n-dad | Neat - thank you man |
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| 10:34.42 | iceroot | mum-n-dad: alien is for rpm to deb, so dont know why xxtjaxx is saying alien |
| 10:34.43 | dapeamel | xxtjaxx what should I do?. |
| 10:35.08 | xxtjaxx | iceroot: Thought that it can do others aswell doesnt it? |
| 10:35.41 | xxtjaxx | dapeamel: chown -R $yourusername ~/.kde |
| 10:35.45 | alcohol | hello everyone |
| 10:35.51 | xxtjaxx | hi alcohol |
| 10:35.56 | dapeamel | thanx |
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| 10:36.29 | dapeamel | then just restart? |
| 10:36.47 | xxtjaxx | if you chown it it should be able to write instantly |
| 10:36.49 | dapeamel | thanks a lot it worksed.! |
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| 10:36.55 | dapeamel | worked* |
| 10:37.07 | nascentmind | Hi. When I do a net ads join my hostname gets added as domain name i.e. hostname\user. When I do a wbinfo -u all are under my companyname\username. how can i fix this? |
| 10:37.09 | bricky | hmm, |
| 10:37.20 | dapeamel | what is chown for command how does it work? |
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| 10:37.39 | bricky | i need to change the permissions in /usr/share/themes to copy files |
| 10:37.49 | bricky | chown - ? - ? -? |
| 10:37.59 | bricky | ahh its 666 |
| 10:38.03 | rtra | what alternative to rtorrent with udp tracker support would you recommend? |
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| 10:41.54 | i_am_deviant | test Q: what with this: |
| 10:41.56 | i_am_deviant | # ls -la /bin/chmod |
| 10:41.57 | i_am_deviant | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 42744 2008-04-04 16:22 /bin/chmod |
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| 10:44.09 | bricky | now I cant even access it. |
| 10:44.13 | dapeamel | does someone know a easy automount drives tool? |
| 10:44.31 | bricky | I did sudo chmod -rwxrwxrwx /usr/share/themes |
| 10:45.21 | bricky | is that incorrect perhaps? |
| 10:46.06 | xxtjaxx | bricky: wtf no! |
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| 10:46.54 | xxtjaxx | bricky: right click desktop>>ChangeWallpaper>>Left tab >> clicl install theme! |
| 10:47.19 | bricky | hm, ill try that :) |
| 10:47.24 | bricky | thanks |
| 10:49.00 | bricky | xxtjaxx: so it says I cant move directory over directory |
| 10:49.10 | bricky | it said that before I changed permissions though |
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| 10:49.49 | bricky | weird, |
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| 10:50.42 | xxtjaxx | bricky: these are localy (in your ~/.gnome) installed it would be horrific if they installed them in /usr/share/themes |
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| 10:51.07 | henux | does debian 5.05 support /proc/config.gz ? |
| 10:51.32 | xxtjaxx | henux: what is that? what you need that for? |
| 10:51.54 | petemc | henux: the config is in /boot/ |
| 10:51.56 | henux | xxtjaxx: /proc/config.gz gives the .config of the running kernel |
| 10:51.59 | henux | petemc: k |
| 10:52.47 | bricky | xxtjaxx: lol im just trying to install a windows crapola theme, |
| 10:52.50 | xxtjaxx | *shudder* /proc/config.gz *mumble* |
| 10:53.02 | henux | what? |
| 10:53.07 | xxtjaxx | bricky: stop it ! |
| 10:53.26 | bricky | xxtjaxx: I have mac already, come on now :P |
| 10:53.44 | xxtjaxx | bricky: nevermind |
| 10:54.46 | wintix | as root partition i have cryptsetup on top of an lvm. since space is nearing it's end, i have anlarged the lvm but can't seem to get the kernel to recognize the changed size of the crypto-layer. any ideas on how to get it to re-read the size? |
| 10:54.48 | xxtjaxx | henux: afaik /proc is only for data the kernel give an interface to not a configration |
| 10:55.14 | wintix | i am pretty sure a reboot would fix it but i would rather go without reboot as the system is pretty remote. |
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| 10:55.18 | petemc | xxtjaxx: having the config is /proc/ is a configurable kernel option |
| 10:55.21 | xxtjaxx | wintix: reboot? |
| 10:55.26 | petemc | s/is/in/ |
| 10:55.39 | Snadder | Who should I talk with to correct/report/verify a bug in debian/ubuntu's mysql's init script? |
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| 10:55.48 | wintix | xxtjaxx: i was kind of hoping for somthing without reboot :) |
| 10:55.57 | xxtjaxx | wintix: sry |
| 10:56.06 | xxtjaxx | Snadder: reportbug mysql |
| 10:56.14 | wintix | xxtjaxx: no problem. but thank you :) |
| 10:56.26 | xxtjaxx | Snadder: or reportbug /etc/init.d/mysqld |
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| 10:56.41 | xxtjaxx | which should find the corresponding package |
| 10:56.53 | jelly-home | xxtjaxx: except there is no "/etc/init.d/mysqld" |
| 10:57.28 | xxtjaxx | jelly-home: is it just mysql? |
| 10:58.13 | jelly-home | xxtjaxx: yes, but more importanty, it's "please give correct advice or no advice at all" |
| 10:58.31 | Snadder | xxtjaxx, Maybe someone in here can verify the bug for me?.. Its just to enable the event scheduler in mysqld with: SET GLOBAL event_scheduler = ON; and then restart mysqld with /etc/init.d/mysql restart |
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| 10:58.56 | xxtjaxx | jelly-home: it is correct advice. How else than reportbug should you want to contact a maintainer? |
| 10:59.07 | xxtjaxx | it gets his attention surely |
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| 10:59.15 | eXeC001er | Hi |
| 11:00.11 | jelly-home | xxtjaxx: yes, gist of it is right, but it's trivially simple to verify the path and not further confound the user |
| 11:00.45 | Snadder | I heard debian people changed the mysql init script.. that way lots of error messages not stopped untill process is killed is outputted. |
| 11:00.48 | sepult | i get whatis entry for blabla.gz exceeds 2048 bytes, truncating it now messages with man-db, is that normal ? |
| 11:00.59 | sepult | lot's of now |
| 11:01.07 | xxtjaxx | jelly-home: I doubt it is such a hurdle for a user to type /etc/ini.d/mysql<TAB> and fid that it is mysql |
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| 11:01.43 | jelly-home | xxtjaxx: the channel gets all sorts of users; being exact is not unimportant |
| 11:01.52 | xxtjaxx | sure |
| 11:02.10 | wintix | xxtjaxx: found a way to resize a crypto-device without booting: `cryptsetup resize cryptdevice` |
| 11:02.20 | wintix | s/booting/rebooting/ |
| 11:02.37 | xxtjaxx | wintix: good! |
| 11:02.50 | jelly-home | !nickometer eXeC001er |
| 11:02.52 | dpkg | 'eXeC001er' is 62.000% lame, jelly-home |
| 11:02.59 | wintix | jelly-home: :D |
| 11:03.10 | eXeC001er | Please help me with strange error. When i try to install some package i have warning "WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!", if i clean /var/lib/apt/lists and next run 'apt-get update, apt-get install some_package' then no problem. But next time if i run 'apt-get update' and 'apt-get install some_package' i have warning. |
| 11:03.19 | xxtjaxx | !nickometer xxtjaxx |
| 11:03.21 | dpkg | 'xxtjaxx' is 17.000% lame, xxtjaxx |
| 11:03.27 | xxtjaxx | doh... |
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| 11:03.41 | Snadder | Anyone able to help me verify that mysql bug? |
| 11:03.57 | wintix | eXeC001er: have you included third-party repositories in your /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 11:04.05 | eXeC001er | wintix: no |
| 11:04.13 | jelly-home | eXeC001er: is debian-archive-keyring installed? Which packages does apt complaint about? Which repositories do they come from? |
| 11:04.25 | jelly-home | eXeC001er: which debian release are you using? |
| 11:05.02 | jelly-home | that symptom with cleaning up lists/ is weird tho |
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| 11:05.24 | eXeC001er | jelly-home: it is dedian-based distr. This dist and this repo used on many boxes, but warning only on ONE box. |
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| 11:05.47 | jelly-home | eXeC001er: ask in the correct channel, then |
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| 11:06.02 | mei | eXeC001er: Try apt-key update |
| 11:06.14 | eXeC001er | mei: not work. |
| 11:06.20 | jelly-home | eXeC001er: there'a a repo gpg key missing somewhere, but we can't know the correct way to fetch those for your distro |
| 11:06.26 | jelly-home | !based on debian |
| 11:06.26 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't know what changes were made by your distribution and it probably falls short of Debian's standards. #debian only supports Debian; you should respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent. |
| 11:07.52 | jelly-home | eXeC001er: if it were Debian, installing the latest debian-archive-keyring would fix the issue if it happened for official repositories |
| 11:08.49 | jelly-home | eXeC001er: which distro is it? |
| 11:08.51 | eXeC001er | jelly-home: why after clean-up all works fine? |
| 11:09.03 | jelly-home | eXeC001er: I have no idea. |
| 11:09.04 | eXeC001er | jelly-home: NexentaOS |
| 11:09.10 | jelly-home | ask them. |
| 11:09.35 | jelly-home | Nexenta isn't Debian based any more, and they do have significant patching of apt |
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| 11:10.03 | jelly-home | I believe their userspace is based off ubuntu or ubuntu lts now |
| 11:10.22 | eXeC001er | jelly-home: I mean 'deb-repo'. |
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| 11:11.51 | eXeC001er | Debian is a parent of APT, so I came here. |
| 11:12.41 | jelly-home | eXeC001er: yeah, unfortunately there's no channel for apt and dpkg tools themselves and this channel is about distro support |
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| 11:14.59 | jelly-home | eXeC001er: Inspect the output of apt-get update carefully. There may be a W:arning or E:rror even in the output after cleaning up lists/. search for packages with "keyring" in the name. search for the relevant key on pgp keyservers and add it to apt-key |
| 11:15.01 | eXeC001er | I was hoping that there are more knowledgeable than any other channel ('deb'-based distro). |
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| 11:15.30 | jelly-home | eXeC001er: if you can reproduce the issue on Debian this channel will likely be of more help |
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| 11:16.04 | jelly-home | !apt-key 01234567 |
| 11:16.04 | dpkg | gpg --keyserver keys.gnupg.net --recv-keys 01234567 ; gpg --export 01234567 | sudo apt-key add - |
| 11:16.35 | jelly-home | eXeC001er: that's the command for the last option I mentioned |
| 11:17.36 | jelly-home | eXeC001er: Note: this means you're taking an untrusted key from a public keyserver and telling apt to accept repo contents signed with it |
| 11:19.12 | jelly-home | it's not hard to do a collision on a gpg key, upload it on the public keyservers and effect a man-in-the-middle attack |
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| 11:20.58 | jelly-home | wont go that far to say the future of opensource Solaris is quite questionable after the Oracle acquisition... OH SNAP |
| 11:22.12 | cantido | solaris and java will be fine.. too late to un-opensource them now |
| 11:23.05 | cantido | they will just make it like bdb and hide all the open stuff behine Oracle logins etc |
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| 11:24.11 | jelly-home | at least the virtualbox people are pretty much a selfcontained team |
| 11:24.37 | jelly-home | wait, is that a good thing or not |
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| 11:25.33 | cantido | could have been worse.. vmware could have bought virtualbox and canned it |
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| 11:25.51 | jelly-home | at one point I had hoped there'd be a Debian GNU/OpenSolaris; Nexenta is the next best thing but it's not Debian |
| 11:26.36 | eXeC001er | jelly-home: ok. thanks for info. |
| 11:27.05 | jelly-home | good luck |
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| 11:28.10 | jelly-home | eXeC001er: oh, on irc.oftc.net, there's a #debian-ubuntu channel more receptive to derivative distro issues |
| 11:28.13 | cantido | jelly-home: being about to do debootstrap on another os and have a debian environment would be cool,.. a bit like building netbsds pkgsrc on linux etc |
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| 11:28.30 | Bagualas | repos from debian etch are off ?? |
| 11:28.59 | cantido | jelly-home: a solaris or bsd based debian won't go all that far because no one wants to use something with worse hardware support etc |
| 11:28.59 | epsilon | it's on archive |
| 11:29.32 | jelly-home | Bagualas: moved. Read the topic! "/msg dpkg etch->lenny" and "/msg dpkg etch sources.list" linked therein |
| 11:29.54 | jelly-home | !etch |
| 11:29.54 | dpkg | Etch is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Etch security support ended on 2010-02-15, this release is no longer supported. Etch users should upgrade to Lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>. Removed from the mirrors (2010-06-20); ask me about <etch sources.list>. For old Etch ISOs, ask me about <etch iso>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEtch http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100121 |
| 11:30.53 | jelly-home | cantido: I'd definitely use something with stable ZFS support |
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| 11:33.08 | jelly-home | cantido: there's obviuosly at least one user of Nexenta so "no one" doesn't really stand ;-) |
| 11:33.18 | cantido | jelly-home: you need a decent userbase to keep a port going though |
| 11:33.48 | cantido | jelly-home: if you've only got a few users like the debian/freebsd port things don't progress at any sort of speed |
| 11:34.09 | Bagualas | jelly if I wna to install some package, what repo should I use? |
| 11:34.16 | Bagualas | is there only security repos? |
| 11:34.24 | jelly-home | cantido: that one's weird since it's kfreebsd with a different libc and userspace |
| 11:34.45 | jelly-home | Bagualas: have you read the "etch sources.list" factoid? |
| 11:35.06 | cantido | Bagualas: is there any reason you're still running etch? |
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| 11:35.30 | jelly-home | no, he's doing it for fun |
| 11:35.46 | jelly-home | srsly |
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| 11:36.00 | cantido | mmm fun.. |
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| 11:36.16 | Bagualas | cantido i have lots of clients running on etch... when we upgraded to from sid to etch, we had a lot of problems |
| 11:36.22 | Bagualas | so we didnt want to do that |
| 11:36.28 | cantido | Bagualas: upgrade sid to ethc? |
| 11:36.30 | jelly-home | "sarge" |
| 11:36.38 | cantido | s/ethc/etch/ |
| 11:37.04 | cantido | Bagualas: so you're doing an etch install to trial upgrading etch to lenny? |
| 11:37.14 | Bagualas | sarge ** |
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| 11:37.47 | Bagualas | cantido no, not installing etch... but I need to install a few things, and need repos |
| 11:37.51 | jelly-home | blasted codenames. upgraded from 3.1 to 4.0 |
| 11:37.53 | Bagualas | didnt found the source.list |
| 11:38.05 | alcy_ | anyone got a clue regarding passing passwords in a preseed file ? |
| 11:38.15 | Bagualas | all that I found gave me 404 |
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| 11:38.45 | jelly-home | Bagualas: do "/msg dpkg etch sources.list" in your irc client. Read the private response from dpkg bot. |
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| 11:39.22 | Bagualas | NICE! |
| 11:39.28 | Bagualas | TY! |
| 11:39.37 | alcy_ | ...specifically, I pas giving passwords in a packages's preseed file in plain text, but at the target system (in the concerned apckage's config file), it appears as encrypted |
| 11:40.32 | jelly-home | Bagualas: plan your upgrade to lenny as soon as possible. There have been no security updates for etch since February. |
| 11:41.07 | Bagualas | we are already on upgrades |
| 11:41.11 | Bagualas | but takes time =/ |
| 11:41.13 | cantido | maybe he'll get that done before squeeze ;) |
| 11:41.46 | jelly-home | we upgraded almost half of the etch machines so far |
| 11:42.10 | jelly-home | there's still one woody |
| 11:42.22 | abrotman | i'll say |
| 11:42.28 | jelly-home | good heavens |
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| 11:43.40 | alcy_ | anyone ? |
| 11:44.18 | Bagualas | jelly-home i had a lot os problems with mailscanner doing 3.x to 4 |
| 11:44.19 | Bagualas | =x |
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| 12:01.48 | tsccof | hi.. does anyone here use DotProject? if so, is it safe? no back doors? |
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| 12:05.01 | cantido | tsccof: if someone knew there were backdoors why would they using? |
| 12:05.09 | cantido | tsccof: be using it |
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| 12:05.51 | tsccof | cantido: true, it does not make sense.. my boss is a bit worried about it, so I thought I should ask someone since I had never heard of it |
| 12:06.02 | jelly-home | tsccof: if we say no will he believe? |
| 12:06.16 | alcohol | tsccof: yeah. only 2 that I know off. but they're usually locked. so unless you have the key they're pretty safe. |
| 12:06.39 | jelly-home | "A random dude on IM said there were no backdoors, honest" |
| 12:06.42 | cantido | tsccof: if it's in debian you should subscribe to the security list. If a backdoor is found you will get a mail about it |
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| 12:07.12 | alcohol | "dotProject is a volunteer supported Project Management application" |
| 12:07.12 | jelly-home | tsccof: how does he know there are no backdoors in MS Project! |
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| 12:07.20 | cantido | remembers dotproject being pretty crap |
| 12:07.30 | tsccof | cantido: hmm, we will try it for daily work and in case we do find something, we will certainly report it |
| 12:07.43 | abrotman | great plan! |
| 12:07.46 | alcohol | latest release / fix was done in 2008 |
| 12:07.56 | jelly-home | and it's written in PHP |
| 12:08.12 | alcohol | jelly-home: you prefer asp? |
| 12:08.16 | alcohol | ;D |
| 12:08.22 | jelly-home | alcohol: wikipedia says Stable release 2.1.3 / November 26, 2009; 6 months ago |
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| 12:08.46 | jelly-home | alcohol: I prefer java! |
| 12:08.47 | alcohol | jelly-home: dotProject has no 'stable' |
| 12:09.27 | cantido | jelly-home: java is overkill for a lot of the stuff done with php though |
| 12:09.28 | jelly-home | alcohol: that's what wikipedia says, and it's well known wikipedia can be tfully rusted |
| 12:09.29 | alcohol | lol, under latest news: 'dotproject.net hacked', followed by 'dotproject.net Restored' |
| 12:09.48 | alcohol | jelly-home: eh, wiki said what? |
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| 12:10.08 | jelly-home | alcohol: "Stable release 2.1.3 / November 26, 2009; 6 months ago" |
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| 12:10.31 | alcohol | thought you meant that was when wikipedia made their latest stable release |
| 12:10.35 | alcohol | :| |
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| 12:11.12 | jelly-home | that would have been quite a non-sequitur |
| 12:11.52 | alcohol | jelly-home: thought you were trying to prove that not everything has to be 'current' to be useful |
| 12:11.55 | twantakur | hello how do i activate subpixel hinting for debian (libfreetype6)... i have successfully displaying tahoma font nicely at slackware /w recompiling freetype |
| 12:12.12 | aguitel | how to hide text during boot and shutdown process ? |
| 12:12.18 | alcohol | but yeah, just found the 2.1.3 release news item. it was a mere one-liner on the front page, whereas there was a whole article for the 2.1.2 release in 2008 |
| 12:12.27 | Argafal | I have to ask once more, yesterday's approach (using badblocks) is totally insufficient (800 sectors in >24h): I need to wipe a harddrive clean (overwrite with zeros/random) which contains a big number of bad sectors. Hence I need a tool to ignore the broken ones and continue with the still readable/writeable ones. |
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| 12:13.24 | alcohol | Argafal: I suggest a large magnet |
| 12:13.27 | koollman | Argafal: what's the point ? |
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| 12:13.47 | Argafal | koollman: it wlil be sent to the manufacturer. |
| 12:13.51 | koollman | my first guess would be making sure the potentially private data stay private |
| 12:14.02 | koollman | but, you can't overwrite the bad blocks, and some of them may still be read. So ... |
| 12:14.20 | abrotman | Argafal: dban.sf.net |
| 12:14.29 | xyan | aguitel: completely hide everything? boot the kernel with console=/some/non/existing/console/device |
| 12:14.33 | abrotman | not sure it even cares about bad sectors |
| 12:14.35 | alcohol | Argafal: some techy with a shitty paid job is of course really looking forward to wasting hours upon hours of time trying to recover all your hidden pron |
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| 12:14.51 | dspstv | anyone knows where can i read about the debian-live package lists options, they offer stuff like: studio, xfce-junior, etc and i will like to know what each of those include |
| 12:15.08 | dspstv | s |
| 12:15.15 | Argafal | alcohol: you miss the point. if i don't overwrite it with zeros it's not about hours its about seconds, even i can do it. and don't worry, porn is no problem here. |
| 12:15.19 | xyan | dspstv: /usr/share/live-helper/lists/ |
| 12:15.38 | dspstv | xyan: i dont have that installed |
| 12:15.41 | alcohol | Argafal: just delete/format it, done. |
| 12:15.47 | dspstv | and google gets me nada |
| 12:15.49 | xyan | dspstv: install it? |
| 12:15.52 | jelly-home | Argafal: why not use a nice mechanical method |
| 12:16.03 | Argafal | alcohol: you obviously don't really know what delete/format does, do you? |
| 12:16.10 | dspstv | xyan: we have the internets why do i have to install that |
| 12:16.13 | alcohol | Argafal: it does enough. |
| 12:16.17 | dspstv | should be documention online |
| 12:16.25 | Argafal | jelly-home: thought about it, but that would for sure make it useless to send it to the company any longer. |
| 12:16.26 | alcohol | Argafal: unless you think the government is watching you 24/7 and is going to steal your lunch. |
| 12:16.26 | dspstv | documentation |
| 12:16.47 | Argafal | alcohol: a delete/format is not at all sufficient. i undelete thousands of "deleted" files.... |
| 12:16.49 | jelly-home | Argafal: definitely. How much is the data worth vs. how much is the disk worth. |
| 12:17.05 | alcohol | Argafal: if you're that paranoid, keep the drive, just buy a new one. drives are frickin cheap. |
| 12:17.20 | xyan | dspstv: the documention wont tell you what the list files contain so install it and look into the actual files |
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| 12:17.26 | abrotman | or ignore me ... |
| 12:17.32 | Argafal | jelly-home: yes, i know this thought. and i analysed the scenarios and i think overwriting the non-bad blocks will be a sufficient countermeasurment. now the only question is "how to do" |
| 12:17.56 | jelly-home | Argafal: recent ATA disks have a "Secure erase" command, which offloads the overwrite to drive firmware. I have no idea how it behaves with lots of bad sectors. |
| 12:18.01 | abrotman | !tell Argafal about dban |
| 12:18.39 | jelly-home | Argafal: alternately, dd_rescue /dev/zero /dev/whatever |
| 12:18.39 | alcohol | Argafal: hell, you wasted 24 hours on this matter already from what I understand. no drive is that expensive. |
| 12:18.42 | dspstv | xyan: i understand thanks, but i find it awkward theres no place online that tells at least the basic differences between the many options. |
| 12:18.54 | xyan | dspstv: http://live.debian.net/manual/en/html/ |
| 12:19.06 | xyan | (it still does not say what list pulls in what though) |
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| 12:21.03 | dspstv | xyan: yes i was there, again thanks. |
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| 12:22.11 | Argafal | abrotman: yes, i read that and thanks for a constructive answer. i'm checking it right now. |
| 12:22.13 | kunt | hi |
| 12:22.31 | abrotman | better than arguing .. yeesh :) |
| 12:22.36 | Argafal | alcohol: running something in background for 24h is not wasting 24h of my life. |
| 12:22.38 | kunt | DCC SEND DURR#DURR#DURR#DURR#DURR 0 0 0 |
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| 12:23.25 | Argafal | abrotman: yes, i don't even see the point why i have to defend why i want to wipe my drive. i don't require strategic advice, I require technolgical advice. so thanks again for mentioning that tool, i'll check it. |
| 12:23.33 | abrotman | anyways .. have fun! |
| 12:23.54 | Argafal | jelly-home: thought about that yesterday, but it can only ignore read problems, not write problems. |
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| 12:24.28 | abrotman | deop abrotman |
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| 12:24.33 | jelly-home | Argafal: thought or RTFMed? |
| 12:24.38 | jelly-home | Argafal: -w abort on Write errors (default=no) |
| 12:24.53 | jelly-home | or, $DEITY forbid, tested |
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| 12:25.35 | Argafal | jelly-home: oh, wow, thanks. the feature list on the project's page did not mention that at all but emphasize the read error features. |
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| 12:26.31 | jelly-home | you might have gotten the wrong ddrescue |
| 12:27.04 | Argafal | jelly-home: http://www.garloff.de/kurt/linux/ddrescue/ ? |
| 12:27.21 | jelly-home | that's the right one |
| 12:27.27 | jelly-home | ddrescue - copy data from one file or block device to another |
| 12:27.27 | jelly-home | gddrescue - the GNU data recovery tool |
| 12:27.36 | Argafal | good, i'll give it a shot right now! |
| 12:28.15 | Argafal | hang on, on second thought. "abort(!) on write errors" is exactly the opposite. |
| 12:28.24 | Argafal | i need "ignore and continue" |
| 12:29.04 | jelly-home | then you'll be forced to use the default |
| 12:29.18 | Argafal | well, doesn't harm to just fire it up. |
| 12:29.34 | jelly-home | what's the worst thing that can happen |
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| 12:31.00 | Argafal | jelly-home: exactly :) |
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| 12:32.00 | abrotman | you might erase data? |
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| 12:35.11 | Newers | hi |
| 12:35.52 | Newers | i installed proftpd and i accidently selected inetd instead of standalone, how can i revert this? |
| 12:36.06 | jordanm | Newers: dpkg-reconfigure most likely |
| 12:36.18 | Newers | i tried that, but that dialog doesn't show up |
| 12:36.33 | jordanm | perhaps you called it on the wrong package |
| 12:36.48 | abrotman | IIRC there's a proftpd-common |
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| 12:37.57 | Newers | abrotman nope :/ |
| 12:38.05 | Newers | says that package do not exist |
| 12:38.06 | abrotman | Newers: is this lenny? |
| 12:38.22 | Newers | yes |
| 12:38.33 | abrotman | proftpd-basic |
| 12:38.40 | abrotman | that's a goofy name .. but whatever |
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| 12:38.47 | abrotman | just a guess |
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| 12:41.06 | abrotman | Newers: better? |
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| 12:42.56 | Newers | abrotman yeah |
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| 12:46.52 | abrotman | Newers: apt-cache depends proftpd .. you would have seen it |
| 12:47.45 | Newers | abrotman yeah, anyway thx, g2g |
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| 12:59.37 | foxtrot | hi |
| 12:59.45 | foxtrot | i'd like to disable console beeps |
| 12:59.49 | foxtrot | on a laptop |
| 12:59.55 | abrotman | !bell |
| 12:59.55 | dpkg | To disable the bell: "xset b off" in X, "setterm -blength 0" in console. For some reason, bash beeps excessively when in emacs (default) mode; "set -o vi" puts it in vi editing mode, which doesn't beep on partial completions. In konsole, Settings->Bell->Visible Bell. See also <pcspkr>, <shell beep>. http://osdir.com/ml/debian-user-debian/2010-04/msg01906.html, or bell bug |
| 12:59.56 | foxtrot | they interrupt my music and such |
| 13:00.32 | foxtrot | you answered my question before i even finished asking it |
| 13:00.35 | foxtrot | what service! |
| 13:00.38 | foxtrot | abrotman++ |
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| 13:02.21 | abrotman | sorry |
| 13:02.47 | foxtrot | no need to apologize |
| 13:02.49 | foxtrot | thanks brother |
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| 13:03.15 | Riviera | That factoid should rather suggest bell-style instead -o vi 8) |
| 13:03.38 | Riviera | At least it's suggested in <shell beep> |
| 13:03.46 | abrotman | Riviera: i think that was written when we were still using nvi as the default vi ? |
| 13:03.51 | abrotman | which might matter? |
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| 13:04.18 | Riviera | abrotman: I meant that it's a bit odd to suggest changing editing mode because of the bell. |
| 13:04.52 | abrotman | oh, but it's emacs .. |
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| 13:04.58 | abrotman | misread that |
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| 13:09.03 | jelly-home | "switch to a decent shell like zsh" |
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| 13:09.31 | Argafal | abrotman: dban was an excellent idea. it works constantly (though very very slowely) through it. |
| 13:09.46 | Argafal | jelly-home: dd_rescue doens't like trouble writing to the destination too much. |
| 13:09.53 | Freelancer | hej |
| 13:10.17 | abrotman | Argafal: it's a nice tool if you have time i guess |
| 13:10.18 | Freelancer | I need to install scala on debian in a way that allow eclipse to work with... |
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| 13:10.32 | Argafal | abrotman: yes, i'll run it on a spare machine, estimate ist 31h. |
| 13:10.58 | Freelancer | Do I have something special to do? I cannot install it using apt-get install, and if I just untar the package from scala-lang.org, I can use the interpreter, but I don't think eclipse will recognize scala ?! |
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| 13:11.41 | jelly-home | Argafal: use the source, Luke |
| 13:11.48 | cantido | Freelancer: you can configure that paths in eclipse |
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| 13:11.53 | cantido | s/that/the/ |
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| 13:12.17 | djura-san | o/ |
| 13:12.27 | Freelancer | cantido > in every new project I wanna create? |
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| 13:12.43 | cantido | Freelancer: IIRC you can set where scala is |
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| 13:13.14 | Freelancer | cantoma > What is IIRC? |
| 13:13.14 | cantido | Freelancer: there is probably a "local" place for that stuff to go that eclipse will pickup too |
| 13:13.23 | cantido | Freelancer: if I remember correctly |
| 13:13.33 | Freelancer | :) |
| 13:14.17 | cantido | The versions of scala, groovy etc are pretty old in stable. So you probably want a local newer copy anyhoo |
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| 13:14.43 | chilli0 | Hello , Can some one help me with setting up nfs? |
| 13:15.07 | cantido | chilli0: install nfs-kernel-server and look at /etc/exports |
| 13:15.12 | chilli0 | I think I have done it all correctly. But i'm just getting wrong fs type error with the moint functions. |
| 13:15.28 | cantido | chilli0: clients need nfs-common installed |
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| 13:15.35 | chilli0 | Done that. |
| 13:15.46 | compaq | hi, anyone using swftools? I wanted to download it too, but didn't find it |
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| 13:16.19 | chilli0 | cantido, Or maybe not, I thought I had it but ill double check. |
| 13:17.07 | chilli0 | cantido, Sorry , my mistake. Thanks also hehe. |
| 13:17.13 | cantido | chilli0: From my experience you get unknown fs type if you don't have nfs-common installed. Any other error comes out as "something something refused" or similar :) |
| 13:17.43 | chilli0 | Is there anyway of getting my current install ( in a VM) to an ISO so I can install it on another computer? |
| 13:17.48 | chilli0 | So with the same settings and so on |
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| 13:18.15 | cantido | you should be able to dd the real disk and boot it up in a vm |
| 13:18.17 | jelly-home | chilli0: copying the whole system can be done in a multitude of ways |
| 13:18.36 | jelly-home | cantido: I like rsync |
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| 13:18.43 | chilli0 | rsync? |
| 13:18.45 | jelly-home | er. wrong c<tab> |
| 13:18.54 | chilli0 | oh =P |
| 13:19.00 | chilli0 | I shall look into it. |
| 13:19.02 | jelly-home | chilli0: it was meant for you. |
| 13:19.07 | cantido | chilli0: debian shouldn't have any major issue being moved between hardware |
| 13:19.16 | chilli0 | cantido, Great. |
| 13:19.42 | jelly-home | chilli0: minor issues are possibly needing a kernel update, and /msg dpkg 70 |
| 13:19.43 | cantido | chilli0: you may have to regenerate the ramfs image, but it's not like other oses where hardware is set in stone at install-tine |
| 13:19.46 | cantido | s/tine/time/ |
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| 13:19.52 | chilli0 | I'm a bit of a newb with debian so yeah getting there. |
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| 13:20.56 | chilli0 | ops , back. |
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| 13:23.50 | chilli0 | How can I make debian install new programs from a network ? |
| 13:24.01 | chilli0 | It's telling me to get them from my cd every time. |
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| 13:24.39 | aryaeskan | edit your /etc/apt/sources.list and comment out the cd line |
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| 13:25.03 | sepult | or put in your cd and apt-cdrom add it |
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| 13:26.08 | chilli0 | I tryed what aryaeskan said , but now it says no install candidate |
| 13:26.43 | cantido | chilli0: in your sources.list do you have any lines that contain ftp:// or http:// ? |
| 13:26.52 | chilli0 | 4 yes. |
| 13:27.05 | cantido | chilli0: run aptitude update |
| 13:27.17 | chilli0 | deb http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatille is one |
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| 13:27.41 | chilli0 | Doing now cantido. |
| 13:27.52 | cantido | you should have volatille, security and the main repo |
| 13:28.17 | chilli0 | I don't have main repo. |
| 13:28.34 | chilli0 | And , apt-get < aptitude ? |
| 13:28.35 | cantido | you need to add that then ;) |
| 13:29.02 | cantido | chilli0: aptitude is slightly more intelligent |
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| 13:29.34 | chilli0 | Ok cool, where can I get my hands on the main repos source? |
| 13:29.41 | cantido | chilli0: if you it without any parameters you will get a nice textual interface where you can search for packages, read the info about them etc |
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| 13:30.25 | cantido | deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free |
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| 13:30.38 | cantido | change uk to your country code so that you get a local mirror |
| 13:30.51 | chilli0 | aus =D |
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| 13:30.58 | cantido | I think thats au |
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| 13:32.20 | chilli0 | Thanks. |
| 13:32.48 | cantido | also make sure those security and volatille lines aren't commented.. you probably didn't add an internet source in the installer, hence you don't have a main repo line,.. if you don't add an internet source I think it comments out the security and volatille repos |
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| 13:33.06 | chilli0 | Nah , they aren't commented out. |
| 13:33.27 | chilli0 | But thanks anyway =P |
| 13:33.33 | cantido | oh, and add another line the same as the one I gave you but with deb-src instead of deb |
| 13:33.37 | cantido | job done :) |
| 13:33.40 | chilli0 | So to get this all to a new system look up rsync? |
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| 13:34.45 | cantido | chilli0: I think there are some tools that will do the work for you |
| 13:34.50 | cantido | apt-cache search |
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| 13:35.46 | chilli0 | It says you must give exacly one pattern ? |
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| 13:44.04 | brammator | I run redir from detached screen, and it looks like it tries to verify each incoming connection, resulting lots of " redir[2058]: warning: can't verify hostname: getaddrinfo(94.19.15.7.pool.sknt.ru, AF_INET) failed" lines. Is there real need in that? How to turn it off? |
| 13:45.46 | alcohol | what can redir do that iptables cannot? |
| 13:46.33 | jelly-home | alcohol: route from a real interface to localhost |
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| 13:46.51 | jelly-home | (well, to lo; you know what I mean) |
| 13:47.13 | alcohol | "listen for TCP connections on a given port, and, when it recieves a connection, to then connect to a given destination address/port" |
| 13:47.17 | alcohol | :< |
| 13:47.17 | alcohol | sounds like iptables to me |
| 13:47.52 | jelly-home | alcohol: it sounds like a cheap tcp proxy. I've just told you an example of what iptables cannot do. |
| 13:48.14 | alcohol | jelly-home: I don't understand your example. what do you mean 'real interface' ? |
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| 13:48.41 | jelly-home | alcohol: imagine you have a service listening on tcp 127.0.0.1:10025. You can't use iptables to make that service available on eth0. |
| 13:48.51 | alcohol | yes you can |
| 13:48.57 | jelly-home | alcohol: TIAS |
| 13:49.09 | brammator | well redir has simplier controls. tried iptables-based solution myself, not much luck. |
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| 13:49.47 | alcohol | iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp -d 198.168.1.254 --dport 80 |
| 13:49.49 | alcohol | -j REDIRECT --to-ports 8080 |
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| 13:50.09 | jelly-home | alcohol: Try it. It doesn't work. |
| 13:50.21 | alcohol | jelly-home: it does. |
| 13:50.25 | jelly-home | alcohol: lo interface is a special case and mangle table (to put stuff in PREROUTING) does not work. |
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| 13:50.40 | jelly-home | alcohol: really? Which kernel version? |
| 13:51.22 | jelly-home | or did you perhaps... not really tried it? |
| 13:51.56 | jelly-home | alcohol: if it worked, I'd use it in a number of places, but it doesn't, so I don't |
| 13:52.17 | jelly-home | can't get packets from eth0 to lo |
| 13:52.37 | jelly-home | hence... redir |
| 13:53.11 | alcohol | I'm not sure I understand the case then, my bad. |
| 13:53.38 | jelly-home | alcohol: please don't say stuff works if you haven't tried it whne asked |
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| 13:53.58 | chilli0 | jelly-home, Is clonezilla good to use for transfering systems? |
| 13:54.02 | alcohol | my example redirects traffic from port 80 to 8080 |
| 13:54.03 | alcohol | :\ |
| 13:54.11 | jelly-home | chilli0: I haven't used it |
| 13:54.19 | chilli0 | jelly-home, Have you used any? |
| 13:55.00 | jelly-home | chilli0: at work we typically use rsync to migrate to new hardware |
| 13:55.38 | jelly-home | chilli0: I've used partimage at home, and dd too |
| 13:55.47 | chilli0 | What you preferd? |
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| 13:55.52 | jelly-home | rsync |
| 13:56.00 | alcohol | wait. you mean he has a service bound to localhost? and he wants to accept connections from outside? |
| 13:56.15 | chilli0 | kay. |
| 13:56.16 | chilli0 | Thanks |
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| 13:57.26 | jelly-home | chilli0: it copies files, not filesystems. So you have to partition, format and mount your new system, then rsync all the files. then schedule downtime, stop all the services and rsync again (takes much less time with a preexisting copy) |
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| 13:58.06 | chilli0 | Yeah I have used rsync before with backing up files. I though it would have to go something like that. |
| 13:58.21 | jelly-home | chilli0: as a bonus, you may change filesystem types and sizes and how many there are, and you get free defragmentation |
| 13:58.28 | chilli0 | I think that I'll just do a fresh install. ( I have done a few things wrong here) |
| 13:59.20 | alcohol | jelly-home: I misunderstood merely. but eh, I don't see the point of binding to localhost if you want to allow outside connections.. |
| 14:00.28 | jelly-home | alcohol: that's why I told you to TIAS first |
| 14:00.48 | alcohol | jelly-home: I did, but like I said, I misunderstood. I thought the case was different. |
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| 14:01.48 | jelly-home | in one case, we remotely monitor the state of a service running on localhost of a machine |
| 14:02.10 | jelly-home | :10025 port might be familiar to someone using a postfix content_filter |
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| 14:02.47 | alcohol | don't think we do. I just run a basic postfix/dovecot/amavisd setup |
| 14:03.32 | jelly-home | alcohol: amavisd is typically run as content_filter |
| 14:04.38 | chilli0 | Anyone know how well nfs works with windows 7? |
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| 14:04.55 | jelly-home | chilli0: try ##windows |
| 14:05.54 | chilli0 | Good idea =O |
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| 14:07.00 | jelly-home | I was just surprised to see mount and showmount and rpcinfo commands there |
| 14:07.08 | jelly-home | and they worked, too |
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| 14:08.27 | o3 | is lspci going to be installed, if network configuration fails for a net install? i mean, is it on the cd? |
| 14:09.00 | jelly-home | o3: yes |
| 14:09.00 | o3 | hm... |
| 14:09.00 | ulzeraj | Hello, where I can find about what changed and what is the behavior after a certain package that is being updated? There is an update for open-iscsi and Im afraid the service will restart and cause havoc on my virtual machines running on iscsi. |
| 14:09.00 | o3 | then something seems have gone really wrong... |
| 14:09.13 | jelly-home | o3: is pciutils package intalled? |
| 14:09.21 | o3 | let me have a look |
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| 14:09.45 | runa | heyas. where can I find a debian etch repo? or at least 2 debs from it? |
| 14:10.16 | jelly-home | runa: /msg dpkg etch sources.list |
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| 14:10.49 | o3 | jelly-home: pciutils is not installed |
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| 14:11.52 | jelly-home | o3: I might have lied about it being present in base system. |
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| 14:12.16 | runa | jelly-home: danke |
| 14:12.31 | jelly-home | !cd contents |
| 14:12.31 | dpkg | [The searchable index is unavailable as of 2010-06-07] To find out what is on what disk, use the searchable index at http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/#search or download the .jigdo template from the same location and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the disk. |
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| 14:12.53 | dre_doktor | problems with apt-get update? |
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| 14:13.33 | o3 | jelly-home: thanks |
| 14:16.19 | jelly-home | yeah, so only the udeb is there to make it available at installer time, sorry |
| 14:16.54 | jelly-home | still you can boot the installer again and do lspci in its shell |
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| 14:20.19 | nvz | could transcoding to mp4 i.e. handbrake even possibly benefit from multipule cores? |
| 14:21.12 | cantido | nvz: ffmpeg etc are slowly getting multi-threading |
| 14:21.18 | o3 | jelly-home: ok, i do not really need lspci now. will install it later. i was just wondering if the network problem might not be the only one. but it seems to be. |
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| 14:22.07 | nvz | i figured it wouldnt... ive been using an intel atom which is hypertheaded and sucks at everything |
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| 14:22.44 | nvz | just wasnt sure if a single core athlon 64 or a quad core phenom wuld be better |
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| 14:23.20 | cantido | nvz: video encoding is mostly a serial task.. it's not something that can be easily multithreaded |
| 14:23.46 | cantido | encoding using cuda or something is more interesting anyhoo |
| 14:23.46 | nvz | i wish i could disable hyperthreading on the atom it seems to perform worse than a pentium M at same clock speed in all scenarios by far. |
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| 14:24.03 | cantido | nvz: you can disable hyperthreading in the bios |
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| 14:24.23 | nvz | ive been following cuda but dont have hardware for it... |
| 14:24.38 | nvz | na hypertheading doesnt turn off. |
| 14:24.40 | cantido | if you have a dual core atom,.. I think there is a kernel option to disable smp. ;) |
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| 14:25.20 | cantido | nvz: mmm you can turn it off with a kernel option at least. The kernel does try to schedule stuff so that hyperthreading makes a positive difference though |
| 14:25.35 | nvz | its an n270 single core it has no option to turn the shit off.. it runs like a fn mobile p2 or something... haha |
| 14:25.56 | cantido | the atom is slow, but it doesn't use much juice |
| 14:26.28 | cantido | get a board with an ION chipset and it can playback 1080p h264 though ;) |
| 14:27.10 | dre_doktor | W: GPG error: http://security.debian.org lenny/updates Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 9AA38DCD55BE302B |
| 14:27.14 | dre_doktor | any solution? |
| 14:27.50 | xyan | aptitude install debian-archive-keyring |
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| 14:28.23 | dre_doktor | thanks, xyan |
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| 14:58.41 | superlinux | hi all |
| 14:59.31 | superlinux | I want an echo server to install it on my box. I looked but could not find. what should be the package name? |
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| 15:00.25 | jhutchins_lt | superlinux: What do you mean by "an echo server"? |
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| 15:01.22 | superlinux | echo daemon |
| 15:02.04 | superlinux | jhujhiti, I just want an already made server just to be able to teach my students |
| 15:02.42 | jordanm | superlinux: use netcat? |
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| 15:03.53 | superlinux | jordanm, yeah! nice Idea.. thanks |
| 15:04.11 | jordanm | superlinux: actually, according to wikipedia: "On Linux, FreeBSD, and other UNIX-like operating systems an echo server is built into the inetd daemon." |
| 15:04.11 | superlinux | jordanm, I am teaching them to write sockets |
| 15:04.18 | Bushmills | superlinux: xinetd makes it easy to for example use simple shell scripts as network services |
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| 15:04.31 | superlinux | .. using java |
| 15:06.45 | tinjaw | I have a .deb saved locally. I want to install it *and* its dependencies, just like using apt-get install XXXX does. As far as I know, apt-get can't install local .debs and dpkg can't auto install dependencies. Am I correct of is there a way to install a local .deb and get apt-get to grab and install the dependencies? |
| 15:07.24 | petemc | tinjaw: try dpkg -i foo.deb, then run aptitude -f install |
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| 15:08.29 | Bushmills | superlinux: ah, right, it (xinetd) also provides an echo server |
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| 15:09.39 | superlinux | Bushmills, i noticed this openbsd-inetd is already installed |
| 15:09.57 | tinjaw | petemc, aptitude lists the unmet deps, but doesn't offer to install, only removed .deb that has the deps. |
| 15:10.35 | Bushmills | should do as well. edit /etc/inetd.conf to enable echo server |
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| 15:10.49 | tinjaw | petemc, i spoke to soon. if I answer no to remove, it then offers to install. |
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| 15:11.36 | superlinux | Bushmills, thanks |
| 15:11.40 | jhutchins_lt | tinjaw: So that works. |
| 15:12.21 | tinjaw | jhutchins_lt, It looks like it. installing the deps now. stand by for final answer |
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| 15:15.14 | jhutchins_lt | Interesting, -f install gives me the same proposal as full-upgrade. |
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| 15:21.44 | cantoma | guys, where are usually located the udev rules? |
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| 15:24.14 | cahoot | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:25.30 | jordanm | or /etc/udev/rules.d/ |
| 15:25.47 | cantoma | jordanm, yep its there |
| 15:25.48 | cantoma | thanks |
| 15:26.17 | cantoma | jordanm, do you know after i update the local.rules if i need to restart any system service? |
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| 15:26.41 | cahoot | udevadm trigger perhaps |
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| 15:28.23 | cantoma | cahoot, i guess this one --> /etc/init.d/udev |
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| 15:31.48 | cantoma | cahoot, nopes .. it does not find the new symbolic link /dev |
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| 15:32.07 | proc | heyo |
| 15:32.23 | proc | is there already some win installer which supports windows 7? |
| 15:33.31 | petemc | proc: you cant boot from cd? |
| 15:34.00 | proc | petemc: sure I could, but then I would have to get outside and buy some raw cds ;) |
| 15:35.26 | gusnan | Is apt-pinning done the same way with aptitude as with apt-get? I am thinking about the -t option, f.e. "apt-get -t experimental package" |
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| 15:40.07 | jordanm | gusnan: did you try man aptitude, then searching for "-t"? |
| 15:41.10 | gusnan | jordanm, ah, got it. |
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| 15:43.47 | sunkan | jelly-home: FYI regarding the problem with my mixed release stable/testing machine that segfaulted on strlen(), upgrading binutils to the release in testing fixed it. |
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| 15:44.24 | jordanm | yeah... "fixed" |
| 15:44.34 | amkrankruleuen | Hello. |
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| 15:57.15 | tinjaw | petemc, that worked. thank you. $1 will be donated to debian in your name. (I do this every time I get an answer on IRC for open source projects) |
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| 15:57.54 | cantoma | guys, are the udevcontrol and udevtest available for debian users? |
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| 16:00.23 | chomwitt | installing a debian testing cd with kde4.4 i couldnot find installed deb package manager. isnt there a kde default? |
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| 16:04.14 | jordanm | chomwitt: what package manager are you referring to? |
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| 16:06.23 | chomwitt | jordanm: sth like synaptic |
| 16:06.38 | do0ob | Is there any reason for flash 32 in the wrapper to randomly crash? |
| 16:06.47 | do0ob | the 64bit version never crashed |
| 16:06.56 | jhutchins_lt | do0ob: Yes. |
| 16:07.03 | do0ob | but the 32bit version is crashing at least once every hour |
| 16:07.09 | do0ob | jhutchins_lt: what is it? |
| 16:07.12 | jordanm | chomwitt: if its not there by default, then install it |
| 16:07.38 | jhutchins_lt | do0ob: It's a buggy hack. You were lucky with the 64b version. Whatching hours of flash? |
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| 16:08.42 | do0ob | jhutchins_lt: yea i watched bbc iplayer, youtube playing in the background, radio, and youtube shows but it never crashed |
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| 16:09.21 | BiGViC | I keep getting a message about a kernal failure but my pc works fine? |
| 16:09.32 | do0ob | BiGViC: what is the message? |
| 16:09.44 | BiGViC | hmmm let me restart again... lol |
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| 16:10.06 | BiGViC | or is there a command I can use to find out what message it told me already? |
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| 16:10.11 | CissWit | dmesg |
| 16:10.16 | BiGViC | thanks |
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| 16:10.19 | chomwitt | jordanm: i'll do that. But it looked strange to my that there wasnt a gui package manager by default installed in debian+kde testing cd. Thanks |
| 16:10.58 | jk4 | Hi what should /etc/apt/sources.list contain? |
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| 16:12.22 | jhutchins_lt | do0ob: Why not go back to the 64b player? |
| 16:12.28 | do0ob | security bugs |
| 16:12.39 | jhutchins_lt | do0ob: Crashing every hour's not a security bug? |
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| 16:12.47 | jordanm | chomwitt: file a wishlist bug |
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| 16:13.24 | jhutchins_lt | chomwitt: If you're running testing it's assumed that you're a sufficiently sophisticated user that you don't need a GUI for the package manager. |
| 16:13.36 | chomwitt | jordanm: i try! :-) reportbug gui , crashes frequently in sqeeze. |
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| 16:13.41 | MrJones | hi |
| 16:14.01 | MrJones | I setup a tiny proxy and then did "export http_proxy=<ip>:<port>" on a debian box and then "apt-get update" |
| 16:14.13 | MrJones | but apt doesn't seem to be using that proxy and complains about being unable to resolve some debian.org host |
| 16:14.18 | BiGViC | one second as I'm sending a file to my bro do0ob :-S |
| 16:14.22 | MrJones | (name resolution is unavailable, only that proxy itself can resolve names) |
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| 16:15.42 | kaushal | hi |
| 16:15.44 | kaushal | Does jconsole http://java.sun.com/developer/technicalArticles/J2SE/jconsole.html cause additional overheads on a server? |
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| 16:16.25 | jk4 | What should /etc/apt/sources.list contain in debian 5? |
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| 16:16.36 | jordanm | !sources.list |
| 16:16.36 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian lenny main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <lenny security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 16:17.51 | jk4 | Yeah but the file is empty I need to know what mirrors to pu in it. |
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| 16:20.11 | jk4 | :'( |
| 16:21.27 | abrotman | jk4: where are you geographically? |
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| 16:22.11 | jk4 | US, but dw I have found /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list file which has mirrors in it. |
| 16:22.15 | jhutchins_lt | jk4: Wow, that message from debian says EXACTLY what to put in the file, and how to get more info. |
| 16:22.16 | jpinx | jk4: man sources.list (as it says in the factoid) and you will see an example that will get you started |
| 16:22.35 | abrotman | US? hostmask says UK |
| 16:22.45 | x0x | i love you debian |
| 16:23.11 | kaushal | checking in again for the query ? |
| 16:23.13 | jk4 | well hostmask does not know that my server is half way accros the world. |
| 16:23.20 | ikonia | x0x: stop trying to troll |
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| 16:25.08 | x0x | hi kaushal |
| 16:25.37 | abrotman | x0x: Do you have a Debian-related question? |
| 16:25.55 | abrotman | kaushal: did you ask #java ? |
| 16:26.02 | kaushal | abrotman, yeah |
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| 16:27.02 | JordiGH | How can I find out which font has this? http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/1008c/index.htm |
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| 16:27.16 | x0x | abrotman: in redhat linux i do this vim/etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifconfig-cfg but i don't find this dir in debian :@ |
| 16:27.43 | abrotman | x0x: what is 'uname -r' on this system? |
| 16:27.57 | Pici | JordiGH: Click on the link that says 'Fonts that support U+1008C' |
| 16:28.09 | jordanm | x0x: /etc/sysconfig is purely a RHEL thing. the debian's closest equivelent is /etc/default (but doesn't contain what you are looking for). |
| 16:28.24 | MrJones | I set up a tinyproxy which has ALLOW for everyone, binds to all interfaces (eth0, wlan0) and also works fine when used with my local firefox here |
| 16:28.26 | JordiGH | Pici: I mean in Debian. |
| 16:28.37 | abrotman | x0x: what is 'uname -r' on this system? |
| 16:28.42 | MrJones | now a machine in the eth0 net (which is a separate net) cannot use that proxy to use the internet gateway through wlan0 |
| 16:28.42 | MrJones | why not? |
| 16:28.43 | ikonia | jordanm: he's an RHCE - he should know this |
| 16:28.46 | MrJones | for apt-get |
| 16:29.00 | MrJones | I exported http_proxy=<iphere>:<proxyport> |
| 16:29.01 | jhutchins_lt | !tell x0x about networking |
| 16:29.05 | JordiGH | Pici: Okay, found it, ttf-mph-2b-damase is packaged. |
| 16:29.09 | MrJones | also I can ping the proxying machine |
| 16:29.18 | MrJones | so what's the issue? :< it always gives me could not resolve errors |
| 16:29.20 | jordanm | ikonia: how do you know that? |
| 16:29.25 | Texou | hi |
| 16:29.26 | ikonia | jordanm: he tells everyone |
| 16:29.34 | jordanm | ah... I see... |
| 16:29.45 | cantoma | guys, I have just create a new directory in my /media folder using root. add this to fstab --> /dev/backup2 /media/backup2 auto user,rw,exec,nosuid,nodev 0 0 and the user is able to mount it, but if i try to cd /media/backup2 it say permissions denied. I ask root to give chown jduro /media/backup2 and it worked. Then when i unmount the disk and mount it again, the problem comes back again. |
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| 16:30.08 | jhutchins_lt | ikonia: Just goes to show RHCE doesn't mean you know anything about debian. Which makes sense. |
| 16:30.09 | x0x | abrotman: 2.6.31-14-generic |
| 16:30.13 | Texou | since 5.0.5, I cannot access to my USB scanner (scanimage works as root, not as user). How can I solve this please? |
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| 16:30.38 | JordiGH | That's an Ubuntu kernel, isn't it? |
| 16:30.43 | ikonia | jhutchins_lt: it's the wrong line for an rhel box though ;) |
| 16:30.45 | jordanm | JordiGH: yes |
| 16:30.46 | ikonia | it is |
| 16:30.56 | jpinx | was... |
| 16:31.07 | Texou | jordanm: no (if question was for me) |
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| 16:31.46 | jordanm | Texou: is your user in the plugdev group? |
| 16:31.57 | jordanm | I am only guessing that is the correct group.... |
| 16:31.57 | Texou | hmm I check |
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| 16:32.14 | BiGViC | do0ob: it saids your system had a kernal failure then it asks me to sumit information is doing this on every boot now |
| 16:32.17 | Texou | yes jordanm |
| 16:32.24 | BiGViC | but my system works fine..??? |
| 16:32.27 | jordanm | Texou: looks like there is also a "scanner" group, not sure if it is intended your user is added to that, but I would check |
| 16:32.43 | Texou | ok I check |
| 16:32.46 | jordanm | BiGViC: asks you to submit information? |
| 16:32.53 | BiGViC | jordanm: yes it does |
| 16:32.57 | tbsaunde | ~~4~~/win 14 |
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| 16:33.02 | jhutchins_lt | I'm a bit puzzled about how randomly users are or are not added to hardware groups. |
| 16:33.16 | MrJones | guys can someone maybe give me a hint? |
| 16:33.30 | MrJones | how could I find out whether the apt-get is actually using the proxy? :/ |
| 16:33.38 | jhutchins_lt | BiGViC: Can you pastebin hte actual messages with sourrounding context? |
| 16:33.40 | jordanm | MrJones: wireshark? |
| 16:33.57 | BiGViC | this happen right after I switch my router settings from 10/100mbps auto to 100mpbs probably non-related but it happen right after |
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| 16:34.11 | jordanm | BiGViC: what jhutchins_lt said, along with "cat /etc/debian_version; uname -r" |
| 16:34.26 | BiGViC | ok |
| 16:34.40 | BiGViC | do I go to flood for that you can't copy it here can you? |
| 16:34.40 | Texou | jordanm: user is in saned and scanner, no result |
| 16:34.49 | jhutchins_lt | MrJones: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/177 |
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| 16:35.03 | MrJones | the tinyproxy logs every proxy access |
| 16:35.08 | jordanm | Texou: were in related packages included in the point release upgrade? |
| 16:35.10 | MrJones | there is not a single log entry for that apt-get machine though |
| 16:35.18 | jordanm | MrJones: perhaps you want apt-proxy |
| 16:35.20 | jhutchins_lt | !tell BiGViC about paste |
| 16:35.39 | Texou | jordanm: I guess since usbutils was updated |
| 16:35.45 | Texou | and before this it worked |
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| 16:36.01 | jhutchins_lt | Texou: Remember you have to log out and log back in again for group changes to take effect. |
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| 16:36.28 | Texou | jhutchins_lt: right, I did (I tried also on another tty to be sure) |
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| 16:36.37 | MrJones | jhutchins_lt: why are all the sites out there telling "export http_proxy" would be working too? |
| 16:36.38 | MrJones | if it doesn't |
| 16:36.49 | Texou | id told me I was in saned |
| 16:37.03 | BiGViC | jhutchins_lt: how can I copy the actual message do you mean the part it saids." There is a diagnostic information available for this failure. Do you want to sumit this information to the www.kernelloops.org....."? |
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| 16:37.39 | jhutchins_lt | BiGViC: More than that. What comes before it. I take it it does NOT show up in dmesg? |
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| 16:39.05 | Texou | anyway I access to hard disk USB. dont understand |
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| 16:40.02 | BiGViC | no doesn't seem like it shows up in dmesg I will copy it to a paste bin anyways is just a small windows in the buttom saying "your system had a kernel failure". Then info about sending information |
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| 16:40.36 | jordanm | BiGViC: also include the info in /etc/debian_version and the output of uname -r |
| 16:40.40 | mitkok | Hey, guys. I've just installed Debian from usb flash ( net install ) but it seems that the installation programme installed grub on the flash, not on the hdd. How can I fix that |
| 16:40.53 | jordanm | !tell mitkok about reinstall grub |
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| 16:41.22 | MrJones | jhutchins_lt: I added that proxy file now. still, no connection attempts that ever receive tinyproxy :< |
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| 16:42.17 | Texou | how is mounted procbususb since nothing in fstab? |
| 16:42.27 | MrJones | jhutchins_lt: I can even netcat the proxy from that machine running apt-get |
| 16:42.36 | MrJones | why is apt-get still unable to use that proxy? :| |
| 16:42.49 | jordanm | Texou: likely something in userland, such as your DE |
| 16:43.02 | MrJones | also that netcat connection is logged by tinyproxy |
| 16:43.06 | MrJones | but NOTHING from apt-get there |
| 16:43.09 | Texou | jordanm: what's my DE? |
| 16:43.12 | jordanm | perhaps userland was not the right term... but still applies |
| 16:43.15 | jordanm | Texou: gnome, kde, etc |
| 16:43.21 | Texou | ah ok |
| 16:43.47 | Texou | jordanm: so gnome would mount automatically procbususb? |
| 16:44.11 | jordanm | Texou: this is just my guess, but yes, using its automounting utilities |
| 16:44.25 | Texou | ok |
| 16:44.58 | MrJones | doesn't someone have an idea? :( I created /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/proxy (file was not there previously) and wrote Acquire::http::Proxy "http://proxy:8080"; to it |
| 16:45.05 | MrJones | I can also netcat the proxy which gets logged by the proxy |
| 16:45.12 | MrJones | but nothing from apt-get gets logged and it also fails to download things |
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| 16:45.42 | MrJones | so it doesn't seem to be using that proxy at all |
| 16:46.18 | Frantic | guys, what's up with clamav in lenny? an old version is packaged and it says it reached it's end of life |
| 16:46.20 | MrJones | (in http://proxy:8080 I inserted the ip of course which also works fine through netcat) |
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| 16:46.53 | jordanm | Frantic: you probably want the version in volatile |
| 16:46.57 | jordanm | ,versions clamav |
| 16:46.59 | MrJones | is there a specific channel for apt-get support? >.> |
| 16:47.00 | judd | clamav -- etch: 0.90.1dfsg-4etch19; etch-security: 0.90.1dfsg-4etch19; lenny: 0.94.dfsg.2-1lenny2; lenny-security: 0.94.dfsg.2-1lenny2; etch-backports: 0.95.2+dfsg-2~bpo40+1; etch-volatile: 0.95.3+dfsg-1~volatile1~etch2; lenny-volatile: 0.96.1+dfsg-1~volatile1; sid: 0.96.1+dfsg-1; squeeze: 0.96.1+dfsg-1 |
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| 16:47.15 | BiGViC | uname-r 2.6.26-2-686 http://pastebin.com/MpCpQTT7 http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa168/BiGViC340/Screenshot.png |
| 16:47.25 | jordanm | Frantic: yep, looks like they even went as far to pull it out of main |
| 16:48.13 | Frantic | jordanm: I think it's still in main, I've just installed it |
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| 16:48.51 | BiGViC | jordanm and jhutchins_lt: posted info and screenshot. |
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| 16:49.24 | jordanm | Frantic: compare the changelogs, I see now. it looks like a newer version than in volatile was merged in with a point release |
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| 16:50.04 | MrJones | can apt-get print out the proxy settings it is currently using? |
| 16:50.09 | jordanm | BiGViC: does it let you view the error if you click yes? |
| 16:51.20 | BiGViC | jordanm: no it just sends it I belive but I will click yes now |
| 16:51.26 | BiGViC | or wait should I? |
| 16:51.32 | MrJones | if you need some information to help me, so just ask :< |
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| 16:52.07 | BiGViC | its happening every boot it's wierd it happen after my router restarted with a 100mpbs speed I doubt that's related but just in case... |
| 16:52.30 | MrJones | pinging the proxy works. netcatting to it using the proxy port works, proxy logs that. proxy target is set in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/proxy. yet, nothing of apt-get is logged and it also just fails with could not resolve errors |
| 16:52.42 | BiGViC | jordanm: after I click yes it just disappears and my system appears be working perfect ???? |
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| 16:58.01 | MrJones | I set up a proxy. I can use the proxy locally on itself. works fine, also connects to google and debian.org. I can "netcat 192.168.2.1 8888" it from a second machine. that attempt gets logged. I can use 'http_proxy="http://192.168.2.1:8888/" apt-get update' on that machine. nothing gets logged, apt terminates with could not resolve-errors and I get the impression it didn't even try to use the proxy - WHY? |
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| 16:58.37 | joshteam | I can't seem to find libmp3lame-dev packages anymore :( |
| 16:58.41 | joshteam | they use to be around |
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| 16:58.45 | joshteam | anyone know where they went? :-p |
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| 16:59.22 | jordanm | sounds like something that would be in DMM non-free |
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| 17:00.38 | JordiGH | I'm surprised Marillat setup a non-free repo. |
| 17:00.41 | JordiGH | Who convinced him to do that? |
| 17:00.45 | fxiny | multimedia main lenny |
| 17:01.58 | JordiGH | Hm, vrms tells me I have 16 non-free packages. |
| 17:02.14 | jhutchins | ,versions libmp3lame-dev |
| 17:02.15 | judd | libmp3lame-dev -- lenny-multimedia: 3.98.2-0.4; sid-multimedia: 3.98.4-0.0; squeeze-multimedia: 3.98.4-0.0 |
| 17:02.16 | JordiGH | <-- 99.6% free! |
| 17:02.24 | BiGViC | so no gos on my kernel faluire wierd everything still works... :S |
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| 17:04.38 | MrJones | doesn't anyone want to ask for additional details? |
| 17:04.45 | MrJones | then I'd at least feel like someone would be investigating this >.> |
| 17:05.05 | cfdisk | hi, somebody knows as can install vmware server in debian? it is returning an error from I module |
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| 17:05.54 | jhutchins_lt | MrJones: What about aptitude? Any difference? |
| 17:06.07 | MrJones | jhutchins_lt: that box has close to nothing installed (not even iwconfig) |
| 17:06.15 | MrJones | to install more, I need apt-get to work >.> |
| 17:06.22 | jhutchins_lt | Hm. |
| 17:06.24 | MrJones | I can check whether aptitude really isn't installed though, give me a second |
| 17:06.30 | cfdisk | exists vmware in the repository of debian? |
| 17:06.59 | MrJones | ahh it is! nice. jhutchins_lt: I'll need to read how to use aptitude with proxies on the net, so that will take some minutes... |
| 17:07.01 | jhutchins_lt | BiGViC: I think you're probably getting a false report from the GUI, but you might try a newer kernel and see if it changes. |
| 17:07.27 | MrJones | hm the same way it seems |
| 17:07.28 | fxiny | vmware installs in lenny via some weird psycho patch |
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| 17:08.02 | BiGViC | hmm upgrading my kernel wouldn't mess with anything would it? |
| 17:08.07 | cfdisk | fxiny, hmm.. |
| 17:08.12 | BiGViC | because Debian has been rock stable for me :) jhutchins_lt |
| 17:08.36 | jhutchins_lt | BiGViC: You can always fall back. (Especially easy if you make backups first.) |
| 17:08.41 | MrJones | jhutchins_lt: same problem with aptitude. it spills out could not resolve errors |
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| 17:09.04 | MrJones | and the proxy log is empty |
| 17:09.07 | MrJones | it didn't even try to get something there |
| 17:09.10 | jhutchins_lt | MrJones: I'm just guessing here, but can you get dns resolution working on the box? |
| 17:09.14 | MrJones | nope |
| 17:09.24 | MrJones | or not without some hours of work |
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| 17:09.34 | BiGViC | backups of the kernel? |
| 17:09.40 | MrJones | is this some weird bug that makes apt-get fail with a working proxy but failing dns resolution? >.> |
| 17:09.42 | jhutchins_lt | Just have it resolve from the proxy server. |
| 17:09.52 | MrJones | hm |
| 17:10.02 | BiGViC | I have no important files here as I'm just testing linux out for the past 2 weeks and all |
| 17:10.03 | MrJones | I don't know, doesn't that happen on the proxy server anyway? |
| 17:10.05 | jhutchins_lt | MrJones: I think you've just hit on an odd combination of configurations. |
| 17:10.08 | fxiny | cfdisk: sorry . the psycho patch was in etch , lenny 1.9 server patch is called vmware-any-any-update117c.tar.gz |
| 17:10.14 | MrJones | I thought the http request with the whole host name gets passed on to the proxy |
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| 17:10.18 | MrJones | which resolves and serves the file |
| 17:10.34 | MrJones | but apt-get doesn't hand it on to the proxy but instead seems to attempt to resolve the host manually |
| 17:10.36 | MrJones | >.> |
| 17:10.41 | jhutchins_lt | BiGViC: A snapshot backup of the disk means you just restore the snapshot if you don't like any of the updates. You should be fine though. |
| 17:10.49 | reber | hi all. But where is the fstab ??? |
| 17:10.51 | MrJones | WHY? it has a proxy there, should better try that one >.> |
| 17:10.54 | jhutchins_lt | BiGViC: Still, it's important to get in the habit of regular backups. |
| 17:11.18 | BiGViC | jhutchins_lt: oh really you can do that? awesome I'm linux newb |
| 17:11.32 | BiGViC | oh no all my important files are in my external hard drives and such |
| 17:11.39 | reber | who killed it ? |
| 17:11.45 | MrJones | me |
| 17:11.47 | jhutchins_lt | MrJones: I believe the normal process is a normal resolve, then the IP/Port request gets intercepted by the proxy. |
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| 17:12.01 | MrJones | gah |
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| 17:12.09 | fxiny | cfdisk: but has been long time . i'd double check the tubes |
| 17:12.14 | MrJones | ok maybe I can just enter the ip into the host file equivalent |
| 17:12.17 | BiGViC | jhutchins_lt: so how do I go about updating the kernel? |
| 17:12.30 | jhutchins_lt | ,kernels |
| 17:12.33 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.34-1-686 (2.6.34-1~experimental.2); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-15); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-15); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-15~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-24); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
| 17:12.43 | jhutchins_lt | !tell BiGViC about backports |
| 17:12.55 | reber | MrJones, are you a bad guy ? What did this fstab to you ? |
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| 17:13.14 | jhutchins_lt | BiGViC: Which one do you have now (uname -r)? |
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| 17:13.35 | reber | so many years of good services, and now just killed ... |
| 17:13.39 | jhutchins_lt | reber: Are you just trolling or did you have a question? |
| 17:13.46 | BiGViC | uname-r 2.6.26-2-686 |
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| 17:14.05 | BiGViC | I have the default Debian 5.0 one unless update manager updated it for me |
| 17:14.09 | reber | jhutchins_lt, "But where is the fstab ???" |
| 17:14.37 | jhutchins_lt | BiGViC: Set up backports, aptitude install -t lenny-backports linux-image |
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| 17:14.58 | jhutchins_lt | reber: Why do you need the fstab? |
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| 17:15.20 | BiGViC | jhutchins_lt: cool lucky for me I have backports already as I had to install flash :( :( and update pidgin |
| 17:15.25 | MrJones | jhutchins_lt: now it gives me no route to host!!!! |
| 17:15.28 | MrJones | NOTHING in the proxy log |
| 17:15.30 | reber | jhutchins_lt, because i need to add a swap file |
| 17:15.37 | MrJones | and I DID specify the stupid proxy >.> gaaah |
| 17:15.47 | MrJones | how can this happen |
| 17:15.51 | BiGViC | jhutchins_lt: how do I do a snapshot or is that easily found out by google? |
| 17:15.55 | MrJones | why can't it just DO it? it has the proxy, it has the target ip |
| 17:15.56 | asarch | I have the "Debian 5.0.4 i386" fist DVD and there is now the 5.05, what should I do to get the latest stable release quickly? |
| 17:15.57 | MrJones | where is the problem??? |
| 17:16.36 | jhutchins_lt | BiGViC: Easiest way is to boot from CD and do dd if=/dev/sdXX of=/path/to/backup/file - that gives you a partition image. |
| 17:16.39 | asarch | Should I install the 5.0.4 and then do an apt-get update && apt-get upgrade? |
| 17:16.52 | jhutchins_lt | BiGViC: If you're smart and have everything but swap on one partition, you only need one. |
| 17:17.05 | jhutchins_lt | asarch: Yep. |
| 17:17.12 | MrJones | is no apt-get developer here or something? this just seems so weird and broken |
| 17:17.27 | MrJones | I can specify the proxy all around (both config file and env) and there is just no proxy connection happening |
| 17:17.28 | asarch | Thank you very much jhutchins |
| 17:17.30 | MrJones | instead it just tells no route to host |
| 17:17.31 | asarch | Thank you :-) |
| 17:17.36 | jhutchins_lt | MrJones: Nobody paying attention at the moment. Forums and Google. |
| 17:17.41 | MrJones | WELL of course not if there's no internet available! |
| 17:17.47 | MrJones | >.> |
| 17:18.05 | jordanm | the list is probably better than the forums |
| 17:19.01 | BiGViC | jhutchins_lt: which kernel I'm I looking for tryin to find a i386 one but I don't find it |
| 17:19.23 | jhutchins_lt | BiGViC: It's prpobably an i686. |
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| 17:20.57 | BiGViC | jhutchins_lt: http://pastebin.com/PMfrzFuW |
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| 17:21.21 | BiGViC | jhutchins_lt: I see no i686 I see 686 by itself :( |
| 17:21.40 | jhutchins_lt | BiGViC: Oh that's helpful, isn't it? Sorry for not being more exact. |
| 17:21.54 | jhutchins_lt | BiGViC: The system is SUPPOSED to figure it out. |
| 17:22.07 | jhutchins_lt | BiGViC: Just to see if it does, try aptitude instead of apt-get. |
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| 17:22.57 | jhutchins_lt | BiGViC: linux-image-2.6.32-bpo.5-686 is what you most likely want. |
| 17:23.18 | BiGViC | jhutchins_lt: looks like it did thanks updating now :) |
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| 17:23.51 | fxiny | hmmm |
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| 17:25.48 | BiGViC | that is just like that it updated a kernel just like that no restart lol? |
| 17:25.51 | tucemiux | how do you install graphics drivers on debian? I have an ATI HD 3000 and want anything that works, I wont be using 3D, it's not working at all right now, all I get is a black screen |
| 17:26.06 | jordanm | BiGViC: kernel changes require a reboot |
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| 17:26.19 | BiGViC | brb then |
| 17:26.26 | jordanm | tucemiux: paste /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 17:26.28 | jordanm | !ati |
| 17:26.28 | dpkg | To use an ATI graphics card with Debian, ask me about <radeon>, <radeonhd>, <fglrx>. See also <radeon vs radeonhd>. Installing proprietary drivers from amd.com (i.e. with the ATI Driver Installer) is not supported in #debian, please go to #ati (irc.freenode.net). |
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| 17:27.58 | jordanm | tucemiux: looking at the ATI page on the wiki, you may be out of luck as far as lenny goes, unless you can handle vesa |
| 17:28.03 | jordanm | ,versions fglrx-driver |
| 17:28.05 | judd | fglrx-driver -- etch/non-free: 8.28.8-4; etch-backports/non-free: 8.47.3-3~bpo40+1; lenny/non-free: 1:8-12-4; lenny-backports/non-free: 1:10-4-1~bpo50+1; sid/non-free: 1:10-5-1; squeeze/non-free: 1:10-5-1 |
| 17:28.11 | tucemiux | jordanm, I tried modifying the resolution for my monitor, that got rid of "input not supported" message but now it's the actual driver that I need |
| 17:28.20 | jordanm | tucemiux: ah, looks like the proprietary is available from backports |
| 17:28.22 | tucemiux | jordanm, i can handle vesa |
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| 17:28.44 | tucemiux | jordanm, you know how to configure the xorg.conf for vesa? |
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| 17:29.26 | jordanm | tucemiux: X -configure generates a generic one. create it, move it to /etc/X11 and then pastebin it. I will tell you what to change |
| 17:29.51 | BiGViC | jhutchins_lt: I don't think my kernel updated with that command..? |
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| 17:30.20 | jhutchins_lt | BiGViC: Gotta reboot to load a new kernel - it's the only time you really have to reboot. |
| 17:30.30 | jhutchins_lt | BiGViC: dpkg -l will tell you if it's been installed. |
| 17:30.30 | BiGViC | I just did |
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| 17:30.40 | tucemiux | is it bad if root has known_hosts in ssh?? I almost logged in by mistaken to my ssh box |
| 17:30.43 | BiGViC | and I got the same message :( |
| 17:30.45 | MariaKeys | folks can someone help with bzip recovery? |
| 17:31.02 | tucemiux | jordanm, ok so you want my xorg.conf then? |
| 17:31.03 | jhutchins_lt | BiGViC: Sorry, I see you rebooted. dpkg doesn't show a new kernel? |
| 17:31.04 | tucemiux | !paste |
| 17:31.04 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <paste2pastebin.pl>. |
| 17:31.15 | jordanm | MariaKeys: same person from the mailing lists? |
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| 17:31.34 | MariaKeys | jordanm: which mailing list? |
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| 17:31.52 | jordanm | MariaKeys: debian-user. seems like that topic came up recently... perhaps it was here |
| 17:32.08 | MariaKeys | jordanm: no that is not me. |
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| 17:32.23 | MariaKeys | what i want to know... can i run bzip2recover on dd image of an entire hard drive. |
| 17:32.33 | BiGViC | jhutchins_lt: dpkg shows alot of things I don't know which one is the kernel |
| 17:32.40 | innociv | Do I need to do anything to make a mail account on postfix? Haven't trouble finding information on that. I'm using a php mailing thing and it's not mailing from the address I'm telling it to, so i'm thinking it's using another address since the one i'm telling php to use doesn't exist or something.. |
| 17:32.44 | jordanm | MariaKeys: http://lists.debian.org/20100627123038.GF3979@yun.yagibdah.de |
| 17:32.46 | jhutchins_lt | dpkg -l linux* |
| 17:32.47 | dpkg | ii linux* 3.1-14.3 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 17:33.10 | ampex | MariaKeys: a dd image isn't a bzip2 file, so bzip2recover won't work on it |
| 17:33.15 | tucemiux | debian is smart enough to know that it should create a config file for ssh and put a port inside it, interesting |
| 17:33.23 | BiGViC | but unma dpkg -l linux |
| 17:33.24 | BiGViC | No packages found matching linux. |
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| 17:33.38 | jordanm | innociv: I have not worked with postfix but typically mail account is a system user. postfix's chroot method might change this |
| 17:33.46 | BiGViC | jhutchins_lt: dpkg -l linux |
| 17:33.46 | BiGViC | No packages found matching linux. |
| 17:33.50 | innociv | http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/243 think i found what i need |
| 17:33.52 | MariaKeys | ampex: i dont think bzip2recover cares if it is bzip file or not. |
| 17:34.08 | tucemiux | or maybe not |
| 17:34.11 | jordanm | innociv: your application should be able to put literally anything on the From: field of the email, regardless if the user exists or not |
| 17:34.32 | jhutchins_lt | BiGViC: dpkg -l linux* (all packages beginning with "linux".) |
| 17:34.38 | innociv | it might be domain configuration |
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| 17:34.44 | innociv | i'm actually tyring to mail from another domain now |
| 17:34.51 | MariaKeys | so far i injected random text to a file... added some some damaged bzip files in between and bzip2recover seems to be able to find the blocks just fine. |
| 17:34.54 | innociv | had set up a second domain.. Did the DNS already |
| 17:35.10 | jordanm | !tell innociv about enter |
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| 17:35.45 | BiGViC | jhutchins_lt: http://pastebin.com/Mge1Psp3 |
| 17:35.45 | innociv | .. I'm not doing 3 words then pressing enter. |
| 17:35.51 | ampex | MariaKeys: then you already know the answer |
| 17:35.57 | tucemiux | is there a way you can upload a file similar to wget? |
| 17:36.24 | MariaKeys | ampex: no i dont know the answer. before i unleash half a tb dd images, i would like to know beforehand. |
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| 17:36.39 | ampex | MariaKeys: make a small dd image as a test? |
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| 17:36.51 | subsume | I am a bit stuck in understanding what I should set the hostname of my web server to. |
| 17:36.52 | ampex | MariaKeys: or look at the bzip2 source code |
| 17:36.55 | tucemiux | forget it, i got sshfs working |
| 17:37.19 | tucemiux | failed to open /dev/fuse: Permission denied |
| 17:37.34 | jhutchins_lt | BiGViC: Interesting. Well, aptitude update && aptitude install -t lenny-backports linux-image-2.6.32-bpo.5-686 |
| 17:37.37 | MariaKeys | ampex: tks. which channel would be appropriate for bzip issues? |
| 17:38.04 | ampex | MariaKeys: what are you expecting bzip2recover to do? recover damaged bzip2 files in your dd image? |
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| 17:39.06 | MariaKeys | ampex: yes. i had archives in bzips. all of them are wiped. i would like to recover all bzip blocks on the device... they are logs... then i can scan them for matching lines and rebuild them. |
| 17:39.32 | ampex | MariaKeys: you have a dd image made before the bzip files were removed? |
| 17:39.44 | jordanm | MariaKeys: think of the time backups could save! |
| 17:39.45 | ampex | MariaKeys: or after? |
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| 17:40.01 | ampex | I'm assuming after |
| 17:40.21 | MariaKeys | jordanm: i was doing the backups when the entire server was wiped! i have backups but i need to recover 2 months worth of logs. |
| 17:40.42 | ampex | MariaKeys: so your issue is at the filesystem level, I don't think bzip2recover is going to understand how to read your filesystem data |
| 17:40.51 | BiGViC | hmm I hate how its asking me for a cd :( well I'm put it in anyways |
| 17:40.52 | MariaKeys | apmex: after. but that does not matter. it is right after it is wiped. so data is there. |
| 17:40.59 | ampex | MariaKeys: ext3? |
| 17:41.16 | MariaKeys | ampex: yes |
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| 17:41.23 | BiGViC | jhutchins_lt: hmm I hate how its asking me for a cd :( well I'm put it in anyways |
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| 17:41.39 | ampex | MariaKeys: http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/undelete_ext3.html |
| 17:41.41 | ampex | MariaKeys: enjoy :) |
| 17:41.50 | MariaKeys | ampex: those dont work. |
| 17:41.54 | jhutchins_lt | BiGViC: Probably want to comment out the CD lines in your sources file. |
| 17:41.54 | tucemiux | jordanm, I need help configuring the "Device" section: http://pastebin.com/A3RaEbtG |
| 17:42.10 | jhutchins_lt | BiGViC: (I comment out the src lines too unless I need source for something.) |
| 17:42.11 | ampex | MariaKeys: bzip2recover doesn't understand ext3's raw on disk format |
| 17:42.15 | ampex | MariaKeys: so it's useless in this case |
| 17:42.25 | MariaKeys | ampex: are you sure? |
| 17:42.41 | subsume | If mail.myhost.com is setup using Google Apps, should I set mail.myhost.com to be my hostname? |
| 17:42.44 | ampex | MariaKeys: I'm tempted to be sure, but you should try testing it |
| 17:42.45 | MariaKeys | i threw in a lot of random data and bzip2recover was able to extract bzip blocks. |
| 17:42.59 | BiGViC | jhutchins_lt: its asking to update device IDs do I just skip that? |
| 17:43.13 | ampex | MariaKeys: create a loopback ext3 filesystem, put a .bz2 file on it, delete it and then run bzip2recover on the image file |
| 17:43.15 | BiGViC | yes I should comment out the cd line :) I forgot I can do that |
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| 17:43.41 | MariaKeys | ampex: good idea. |
| 17:43.53 | ampex | MariaKeys: let me know what happens, I'm curious |
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| 17:44.37 | jordanm | tucemiux: vesa will not be capable of doing that resolution |
| 17:45.34 | jordanm | tucemiux: remove what you have added to the generic file. add: driver "vesa" to the device section |
| 17:45.43 | nascentmind | can sombody help me with samba? how can sombody set the domain name that is not their hostname? |
| 17:45.43 | jhutchins_lt | BiGViC: Which what is asking to update device ID's? New kernel install process? |
| 17:45.54 | tucemiux | jordanm, is there another generic driver I can install so I can get that resolution? |
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| 17:46.17 | MariaKeys | yah! it does recover blocks from the raw dd image! |
| 17:47.38 | jordanm | tucemiux: not on lenny, it looks like you best bet is the proprietary drivers from backports |
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| 17:48.03 | jhutchins_lt | BiGViC: See http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#newkernel - particularly 4.6.2 |
| 17:48.38 | BiGViC | jhutchins_lt: yes the new kernel install process |
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| 17:50.16 | BiGViC | jhutchins_lt: by reading it seems like it will be safe to skip? |
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| 17:50.37 | tucemiux | jordanm, how do I install the propietary drivers from backports using the command line? I'm even unsure what modules I can download from ATI, I have the ATI HD 3000 IGP |
| 17:50.55 | BiGViC | jhutchins_lt: nm it does it auto dumb moment i Had there :( |
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| 17:51.00 | jordanm | tucemiux: you don't download from ati |
| 17:51.15 | innociv | still having email sent from doman1 :/ |
| 17:51.18 | innociv | domain1* |
| 17:51.34 | aleray | hi, I'm not sure it is the right place but... I just bought an old ibm clicky keyboard. It was working great this morning when I just got it and cleaned it. But now capslock and scrolllock are on and it doesn't work anymore. I tried using a usb adaptor on several computer. So the problem is related to the keyboard, what could I do? |
| 17:51.44 | jordanm | !tell tucemiux about bpo |
| 17:51.49 | jordanm | !tell tucemiux about fglrx |
| 17:51.58 | tucemiux | jordanm, yes i know but if I knew what drivers I had to install I would download and try them unfortunately I dont. I will try your suggestion first |
| 17:52.12 | jordanm | tucemiux: follow the normal fglrx instructions, but grab the packages from lenny-backports/non-free instead of lenny/non-free |
| 17:52.20 | jhutchins_lt | aleray: Might be more appropriate for #hardware, but did you get it wet when you cleaned it? |
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| 17:52.52 | MariaKeys | aleray: dry it and try after few days. otherwise, just throw it. |
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| 17:53.44 | tucemiux | jordanm, I see, so the card I have is older than R600 and not supported, fglrx wouldnt work with it |
| 17:53.46 | fxiny | aleray: type M ? i have a olivetti ibm clone . there must be some dirty stuff under the keys , try again , you can't break that keyboard |
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| 17:54.13 | jordanm | tucemiux: I thought you said it was HD 3000 series? |
| 17:54.45 | tucemiux | jordanm, yes it is, I do not know what the drivers/nomenclature ATI/debian uses for my drivers |
| 17:55.23 | aleray | jhutchins_lt, can't really get answer on #hardware. It wasn't wet, but some keys where stuck. Since you can remove the caps I opened it and fixed all the keys (a lot where stuck) and now it is clicking perfectly and was working perfectly this morning. I remember hotplugging it and I'm wondering if it could damage the keyboard. |
| 17:55.40 | jordanm | tucemiux: R600 |
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| 17:56.15 | jhutchins_lt | aleray: Well, they're not meant to do that, but it usually doesn't hurt. Old KVM switches were just physical switches. |
| 17:56.16 | tucemiux | jordanm, this is the first time I have ever tried debian, I'll take it one step at a time, first configure backports, correct? |
| 17:56.21 | jordanm | tucemiux: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radeon_R600 |
| 17:56.24 | jordanm | tucemiux: correct |
| 17:56.28 | jhutchins_lt | aleray: Is it a PC or PS/2? |
| 17:56.35 | aleray | fxiny, jhutchins_lt I'm wondering if there is some software similar to lsusb for ps2? |
| 17:56.41 | aleray | ps/2 |
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| 17:56.54 | tucemiux | jordanm, thanks, let me figure it out from the link you gave me, thanks a lot, be back after I get stuck on something |
| 17:57.12 | jhutchins_lt | Should work on an adapter then. No PS/2 ports available? |
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| 17:57.50 | aleray | jhutchins_lt, no more chance with the usb adaptor |
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| 17:58.39 | jhutchins_lt | aleray: Hate to say it but sounds like keyboard == toast. You can try rebooting with the keyboard plugged in. |
| 17:59.04 | aleray | jhutchins_lt, oh, and I got a keyboard/input error when at boot |
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| 18:00.39 | aleray | jhutchins_lt, :-( |
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| 18:00.54 | aleray | is there any sofware I could use to analyse what's going on? |
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| 18:01.27 | jhutchins_lt | aleray: Doesn't sound like it. You can track/display key press/release, but usually not stuck keys. |
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| 18:03.41 | SuperMiguel | everything i put inside /etc/X11/Xsession.d/ is executed as soon as X starts? |
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| 18:04.55 | aleray | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:04.56 | BiGViC | jhutchins_lt: thanks for the help the error did came up again but I hit yes and it looked like it send the report this time and I just rebooted |
| 18:05.01 | BiGViC | no more error |
| 18:05.25 | MariaKeys | aleray: it is gone. leave it to dry for 2 days and retry. otherwise just throw it. what exactly are you trying to analyze? |
| 18:06.06 | aleray | MariaKeys, what do you mean? the keyboard isn't weet |
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| 18:06.24 | jhutchins_lt | BiGViC: I don't know the details of the notifier, it could have been an old error, but now you've got your choice of kernels anyway. |
| 18:06.27 | fxiny | aleray: are you 100% sure that nothing is under the key ? i use some dentist tools to clear the s* |
| 18:06.48 | aleray | fxiny, yes, I will reopen it and check |
| 18:07.01 | fxiny | i never do that |
| 18:07.11 | MariaKeys | aleray: you said you cleaned it. how did you do that? |
| 18:07.12 | aleray | fxiny, i'm not 100% sure. I just cleaned it qhuily this morning |
| 18:07.29 | aleray | but quite quickly |
| 18:07.58 | aleray | I mainly fixed the springs |
| 18:08.32 | MariaKeys | aleray: dude, there is a PCB inside the keyboard. if you say it is not working, it is probably because you shorted the PCB. This means liquid. |
| 18:09.24 | aleray | MariaKeys, liquid means toasted ? |
| 18:09.27 | AimHere | Not necessarily |
| 18:09.39 | MariaKeys | aleray: with what did you clean this keyboard? |
| 18:09.41 | abrotman | or metal bits! |
| 18:10.00 | jordanm | liquid + electricity = toasted |
| 18:10.07 | MariaKeys | people, he is saying hte keyboard is not working... he is not talking about individual keys. |
| 18:10.27 | MariaKeys | so no point in advising removing the keys, cleaning the dust. |
| 18:10.50 | aleray | MariaKeys, caps locks and scrolllocks are on, meaning I get some electricity in it. |
| 18:11.04 | MariaKeys | aleray: yes! it si shorted! |
| 18:11.05 | aleray | MariaKeys, what is your advice ? Can I do something to save it ? |
| 18:11.17 | tucemiux | jordanm, you mentioneddd that I should grab the packages from lenny/backports/non-free? How do I do that using the command line? |
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| 18:11.20 | aleray | sorry i'm very bad at physics :-P |
| 18:11.22 | MariaKeys | aleray: i asked 20 times with what you cleaned the keyboard. |
| 18:11.28 | fxiny | for cleaning the dust i use a pretty modifyed bicycle pump |
| 18:11.49 | aleray | MariaKeys, just a dry fabric |
| 18:12.06 | MariaKeys | aleray: no liquid? |
| 18:12.11 | aleray | MariaKeys, no |
| 18:12.23 | MariaKeys | aleray: so it shouldnt have been shorted then. |
| 18:12.56 | MariaKeys | aleray: some keys might have been stuck pressing in that scenario. |
| 18:13.33 | MariaKeys | can someone advise a good filesystem to hold about 1 million files to come from this bzip2recover on a tb drive? |
| 18:14.30 | jhutchins_lt | !tell tucemiux about backports |
| 18:14.30 | aleray | MariaKeys, all, thanks for your help; I will try to open it again and see if it improve the situation |
| 18:14.40 | jhutchins_lt | tucemiux: Read the directions on the backports page. |
| 18:14.55 | tucemiux | jhutchins, i already have backports configured |
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| 18:15.02 | nsadmin | I get a message when trying to burn a dvd that there is no dma present, so things will be slow... what does debian have that lets me turn that on? |
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| 18:15.23 | tucemiux | jhutchins, but for historical purposes, let me read the link, thanks! brb |
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| 18:15.43 | jk4 | hi i got an error in debian 5 |
| 18:15.46 | jk4 | itsgnulinuxnotlinuxc:~# aptitude search ntp |
| 18:15.46 | jk4 | E: Could not open file /var/lib/aptitude/pkgstates.new - open (2 No such file or directory) |
| 18:15.46 | jk4 | E: Cannot open Aptitude state file |
| 18:15.46 | jk4 | itsgnulinuxnotlinuxc:~# |
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| 18:15.48 | jhutchins_lt | aleray: If there is a short on the circuit board, not just stuck keys, you may be able to clean the surface of the board well and remove it. Applying electricity to a wet circuit board may cause a chemical trace to form between contact points, resulting in a semi-permanent short. |
| 18:15.52 | jack_guru | hi! is there a bug after latest updates on sid (dist-upgrade with libisc52? |
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| 18:16.18 | jk4 | hi again |
| 18:16.32 | jhutchins_lt | jk4: as root, aptitude update && aptitude search ntp |
| 18:17.05 | jk4 | I updated about 30 mins ago but ok fine |
| 18:17.15 | jk4 | oh hang on |
| 18:17.32 | jk4 | i ran apt-get update :) |
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| 18:18.09 | jk4 | ok it errored |
| 18:18.22 | nsadmin | !pastebin |
| 18:18.22 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ http://pastebin.ca/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <paste2pastebin.pl>. |
| 18:19.13 | tucemiux | jhutchins, i kind of dont have the time to go through all that documentation, do you know how to install the ATI driver for HD 3000? I have backports configured |
| 18:19.42 | jk4 | http://paste.debian.net/79101 |
| 18:19.59 | nsadmin | tucemiux: is that a job offer? |
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| 18:21.47 | jk4 | don't wory i will fix this some other time |
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| 18:23.29 | jack_guru | http://paste.debian.net/79102/ |
| 18:23.44 | jack_guru | -f install will not fix it :( |
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| 18:25.04 | jhutchins_lt | jack_guru: aptitude? |
| 18:25.30 | jack_guru | jhutchins_lt: nice idea! let me try |
| 18:25.30 | jhutchins_lt | Sigh. I need to go do some chores. |
| 18:25.52 | chasing`Sol | hi, i am still on etch, when i do apt-get update, i end up with http://pastebin.com/u8YAsFV8 |
| 18:25.56 | chasing`Sol | any ideas? |
| 18:26.35 | dutchfish | tucemiux: is you ati RS780 chipset? |
| 18:26.53 | jhutchins_lt | !topicsmite chasing`Sol |
| 18:26.53 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon chasing`Sol. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
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| 18:27.25 | tucemiux | nsadmin, if it'sa job on its own just to configure the device drivers on debian then the distro will get nowhere |
| 18:27.56 | tucemiux | dutchfish, I have the ATI HD 3000, which jordanm told me was the Radeon R6000 |
| 18:29.04 | tucemiux | I'm just going to cheat, im gong to copy the settings gparted live cd uses and get the thing up and running |
| 18:29.07 | jack_guru | nothing changed http://paste.debian.net/79103/ |
| 18:29.08 | dutchfish | tucemiux: na, R6000 or R600 series? i cant recall that i ever heard of R6000, are you sure? |
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| 18:29.37 | nsadmin | tucemiux: it's already less popular than both ubuntu and fedora... doesn't matter. if you want people to spend time you could be spending yourself because you find it inconvenient, that makes your convenience valuable |
| 18:30.09 | tucemiux | dutchfish, Im not sure about the R6000, really, the model is ATI HD 3000, im using this motherboard: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130254 |
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| 18:30.37 | jhutchins_lt | Yeah, Debian's doomed. Nobody will ever use it. |
| 18:30.44 | tucemiux | nsadmin, true so i so should use ubuntu instead of debian, thanks for your advice |
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| 18:31.10 | dutchfish | tucemiux: can you hand me the output of: lspci -nn | grep ATI |
| 18:31.14 | woodworks | debians doomed? since when? curious |
| 18:31.30 | woodworks | oh, sorry, someone's jokin |
| 18:31.39 | jhutchins_lt | Oh, we don't do things just like Ubuntu. Or just like RedHat. Or just like Windows. So we're doomed. |
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| 18:31.58 | dutchfish | !debianlove |
| 18:31.58 | dpkg | it has been said that debianlove is the more I gain knowledge about Linux, the more I like Debian. Ask me about <why debian> too. For more information, see http://wiki.debian.org/ |
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| 18:32.20 | nsadmin | evidently you're not getting the essence of the advice I'm offering, which is: don't cause resentment by comparing the value of your time to someone else's (in this case ours) and then stating that ours has no value at all |
| 18:32.26 | jhutchins_lt | I think it's pretty telling that Debian is not the first distro tried for most Debian users. |
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| 18:32.34 | woodworks | i'll have to say, for a newbie (kinda) having used all three, debians' my favorite |
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| 18:32.49 | dondelelcaro | jack_guru: the best thing is to check the bts |
| 18:33.18 | tucemiux | dutchfish, I get quite a few lines, should I post the one with VGA or PCI on the line? |
| 18:33.43 | dutchfish | tucemiux: only then one with VGA in it (your ATI card) |
| 18:33.53 | jack_guru | dondelelcaro: already did nothing there yet |
| 18:34.14 | jhutchins_lt | jack_guru: It might be useful to share this machine's history - ie how it got to lenny64. |
| 18:34.14 | tucemiux | jhutchins, as long as you can make it work or have a decent form, I couldnt get any hits on my card and debian |
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| 18:34.57 | tucemiux | VGA compatible controller [0300]: ATI Technologies Inc Device [1002:9216] |
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| 18:35.01 | dondelelcaro | jack_guru: just remove libisc50, since that version isn't in lenny any more |
| 18:35.02 | jhutchins_lt | tucemiux: You need to search your card and xorg, then apply in debian. |
| 18:35.35 | dondelelcaro | jack_guru: then you can continue with your installation |
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| 18:35.50 | tucemiux | jhutchins_lt, that is one advice that I can definetely use, I will jot it down this time though, just a sec pls |
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| 18:36.00 | jack_guru | jhutchins_lt: I am using sid. maybe the error is in a multimedia repo I installed earlier |
| 18:36.18 | dutchfish | tucemiux: that line tells me that your kernel cant support it, what kernel are you on? |
| 18:36.33 | jhutchins_lt | jack_guru: That explains it. |
| 18:37.02 | tucemiux | ubuntu did magic with xorg.conf, now it's empty -- dont even know how to change it and everything works fine, I thought debian would be lighter though |
| 18:37.21 | tucemiux | 2.6.26-2-8686 |
| 18:37.56 | dutchfish | tucemiux: i am afraid that kernel is to old, you need at least something newer then 2.6.32 or at least that one |
| 18:37.58 | jhutchins_lt | tucemiux: Have you already replaced ubuntu? What chipset did it find? What xorg driver did it use? |
| 18:38.12 | jhutchins_lt | tucemiux: Debian also uses an empty xorg conf in lenny+. |
| 18:38.15 | tucemiux | dutchfish, how can I update the kernel using the command line? |
| 18:38.27 | dutchfish | tucemiux: if you have the skills you might try testing, backports wont get it running i am afraid |
| 18:38.28 | abrotman | update it to what? |
| 18:38.30 | jhutchins_lt | !tell tucemiux about backports |
| 18:38.31 | Voldenet | just compile and replace menu.lst |
| 18:38.53 | jhutchins_lt | dutchfish: bpo has 32. |
| 18:38.56 | jhutchins_lt | ,kernels |
| 18:38.57 | judd | Available kernel versions are: experimental: 2.6.34-1-686 (2.6.34-1~experimental.2); sid: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-15); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-15); lenny-backports: 2.6.32-bpo.5-686 (2.6.32-15~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-24); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch3); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch2) |
| 18:39.09 | dutchfish | tucemiux: 3 basic things ar einvolved in here, a new enough mesa, a new enough xorg and a new enough kernel |
| 18:39.16 | tucemiux | jhutchins_lt, i didnt install ubuntu on this machine, I tried centos and debian, im about to try server2008 if I cant get this running in a few |
| 18:39.35 | tucemiux | dutchfish, is it possible to upgrade using aptitude?? |
| 18:39.36 | dutchfish | tucemiux: debian testing would be my best bet |
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| 18:40.00 | jhutchins_lt | tucemiux: You can definitely get a running console system, and it's unlikely you wouldn't get a decent GUI (X). You might not get 3D gaming or jiggly windows. |
| 18:40.00 | tucemiux | debian testing? debian probably works just fine, it's the hardware that's a pain |
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| 18:40.11 | eptalon | heyas |
| 18:40.16 | tucemiux | dont want 3D, I want to use this machine as a server |
| 18:40.22 | dutchfish | tucemiux: yes, if you install is clean you can upgrade to testing by changing /etc/apt/sources.list and *reading* the manual on how to upgrade debian. |
| 18:40.30 | eptalon | I am using sid, and a few days ago cups stopped working. |
| 18:40.32 | jhutchins_lt | tucemiux: Remind me what the original problem is then? |
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| 18:40.47 | jhutchins_lt | eptalon: That's how sid works. |
| 18:41.03 | jack_guru | dondelelcaro thanks problem solved! apt-get could not solve it so i used aptitude. though it is weird that http://www.debian-multimedia.org gave me all this trouble |
| 18:41.05 | dutchfish | tucemiux: for a server? i dont reommend testing for that |
| 18:41.09 | eptalon | jhutchins_lt: I know. however, I would prefer being able to print. |
| 18:41.10 | tucemiux | jhutchins_lt, i need to have a GUI, I just installed debian and I have no gui |
| 18:41.25 | tucemiux | dutchfish, a server @ home |
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| 18:41.32 | eptalon | tucemiux: what kind of gui? |
| 18:41.38 | dutchfish | tucemiux: even then: NO |
| 18:42.19 | tucemiux | hey centos has a semi working GUI , im going to see what their xorg.conf looks like |
| 18:42.19 | eptalon | tucemiux: all a "server" needs is ssh. |
| 18:42.31 | tucemiux | eptalon, ever tried ESXi? |
| 18:42.32 | dutchfish | tucemiux: regarding this conversaiton, i am sorry to tell you that you need to really RTFM |
| 18:42.36 | jhutchins_lt | eptalon: If you actually need to use the system you shouldn't be running sid. |
| 18:42.38 | eptalon | tucemiux: debian has working X11... |
| 18:43.17 | eptalon | tucemiux: I am running debian at home and another OS, which isnt unix at work. |
| 18:43.24 | jhutchins_lt | tucemiux: You should be able to get at least vesa and/or framebuffer working. |
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| 18:43.50 | jelly-home | wouldn't call vesa or fbdev "working" |
| 18:43.54 | EugenMayer | hello. How is the tool called to add bridged |
| 18:44.03 | jack_guru | jhutchins_lt: sid with apt-listbugs installed is almost fully stable :) |
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| 18:44.20 | jelly-home | EugenMayer: what are you really trying to do? |
| 18:44.32 | EugenMayer | jelly-home: openvpn bridged networking |
| 18:44.44 | tucemiux | dutchfish, centos uses Driver "r500", let me try it on debian and see how much it cries |
| 18:45.28 | dutchfish | tucemiux: well, it is your box, but why you stick a card like that in a server? |
| 18:45.30 | abrotman | did anyone get his PCIID yet? |
| 18:45.33 | dondelelcaro | jack_guru: it's not unusual; unofficial packages sometimes cause that kind of problem |
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| 18:45.56 | dondelelcaro | jack_guru: the main reason is that because they're unofficial, conflicts don't get added |
| 18:46.22 | tucemiux | jhutchins_lt, i was going for vesa but it doesnt support 1024x768, Ill use a lower resolution if I dont get it up and running in a few minutes |
| 18:46.35 | blast_hardcheese | EugenMayer: the bridge-utils package has all those tools |
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| 18:47.09 | tucemiux | thanks for all the help gents, this is the first time I use debian, im trying to watch a game and have to get to class in 2 hours so there ya go |
| 18:47.15 | blast_hardcheese | EugenMayer: brctl is the management utility |
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| 18:47.21 | dutchfish | abrotman: yay, i have tested it, and it destroyed a working box |
| 18:47.25 | eptalon | tucemiux: vesa doesn't support 1024x768? |
| 18:47.43 | blast_hardcheese | vesa totally does |
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| 18:47.46 | jelly-home | eptalon: vesa probably supports what's there in the particular VESA BIOS |
| 18:48.19 | jelly-home | typically this includes the XGA resolution, it's one of the standard ones |
| 18:48.20 | eptalon | jelly-home: 1024x768 is a pretty standard resolution. |
| 18:48.40 | abrotman | dutchfish: ? |
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| 18:49.00 | jelly-home | eptalon: yes, but I have no idea what's present in tucemiux' vesa bios |
| 18:49.38 | tucemiux | eptalon, thats what I was told or is that a wrong information? |
| 18:50.30 | jelly-home | tucemiux: there's a distinct possibility you were told a certain amount of bollocks |
| 18:50.47 | blast_hardcheese | chuckles |
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| 18:51.05 | eptalon | tucemiux: IIRC 1024x768 is a vesa-supported res; used to be pretty common in 17" screens, before they went wide. |
| 18:51.10 | tucemiux | jelly-home, LoL ok well I guess I can try it with that resolution, that'll get rid of the "input not supported" error I get all across my monitor |
| 18:51.24 | tucemiux | eptalon, ok ill try that thanks! |
| 18:51.56 | tucemiux | dpkg, thanks for all the info |
| 18:51.56 | dpkg | pas de quoi, tucemiux |
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| 18:52.44 | eptalon | how do I get a soecific package version? |
| 18:53.40 | abrotman | tucemiux: you may need to load a lower bit depth |
| 18:54.15 | abrotman | eptalon: the aptitude man page covers this |
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| 18:57.49 | nsadmin | is it possble and advantageous to run dma on dvdram drives? I get message saying "no dma", so I want to try to turn it on. how? |
| 18:58.18 | eptalon | nsadmin: what do you expect form this? |
| 18:58.56 | nsadmin | additional performance; the message said things would be slow. I have other issues too, but I thought I'd start with this |
| 18:59.04 | eptalon | nsadmin: supposing the thing behaves like a harddrive, use hdparm? |
| 18:59.23 | eptalon | (packagename) |
| 18:59.48 | nsadmin | so hdparm would do what, cause the hardware of the drive to start doing dma? can I also query what it's doing now? |
| 18:59.53 | tucemiux | woohoohoo!!! I broke my xorg in CentOS, a utility to fix it opened up, the GUI is fixed is CentOS!! Goodbye debian!!! 0_o |
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| 19:00.13 | jelly-home | tucemiux: cheers! |
| 19:00.18 | eptalon | nsadmin: hdparm is an utility to set things like dma modes |
| 19:00.41 | nsadmin | that part I got... but what I'm not understanding is.. |
| 19:00.43 | aleray | my keyboarb circuits seem to be burned inded |
| 19:01.15 | nsadmin | does hdparm only affect the hardware? or does it also prepare the device driver to be able to receive the dma? |
| 19:01.26 | tucemiux | take care guys, thanks for all the help though |
| 19:01.32 | xxtjaxx | how come that my X11 works without an xorg.conf file ? |
| 19:01.33 | eptalon | nsadmin: device driver? |
| 19:01.53 | eptalon | nsadmin: you mean a linux block device? |
| 19:01.54 | nsadmin | woudln't there be a driver that handles the dma? |
| 19:01.59 | jelly-home | nsadmin: it instructs the ide driver to enable dma mode on that channel if possible |
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| 19:02.44 | abrotman | xxtjaxx: xorg probes the hardware and tries to determine the best settings (usually succesfully) |
| 19:02.47 | jelly-home | nsadmin: you don't need to worry about implementation details at this point, just use it and see if it works |
| 19:03.06 | abrotman | is pretty sure tucemiux just trolled you guys ... |
| 19:03.15 | xxtjaxx | not here it isnt |
| 19:03.34 | eptalon | nsadmin: using it wont break anything. |
| 19:03.36 | nsadmin | abrotman, no doubt in my mind... |
| 19:03.46 | eptalon | nsadmin: if its not supported, it will simply fail. |
| 19:03.48 | nsadmin | ok, let me see... |
| 19:04.17 | jelly-home | xxtjaxx: it's supposed to work without an xorg.conf file since around xorg 7.3 |
| 19:04.37 | jhutchins_lt | A gui on a server is like tits on a boar anyway. |
| 19:04.56 | nsadmin | unattractive? |
| 19:05.09 | jelly-home | unneeded |
| 19:05.10 | jhutchins_lt | Not even wise to take an interest. |
| 19:05.15 | jhutchins_lt | Useless. |
| 19:05.31 | jelly-home | jhutchins_lt: that doesn't start with un |
| 19:05.41 | jhutchins_lt | unuseul? |
| 19:05.48 | jhutchins_lt | unuseful even? |
| 19:05.53 | jelly-home | *nod* |
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| 19:06.28 | jhutchins_lt | Tits on a boar aren't a security risk though, whereas a GUI on a server runs the risk of idiots who don't know the command line messing with the server. |
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| 19:07.03 | jelly-home | RHEL defaults to having a greeter running |
| 19:07.03 | ViN86 | is there anyway i can share the login credentials between two computers? |
| 19:07.19 | eptalon | jhutchins_lt: ever imagined remote X over an unencrypted connection? |
| 19:07.22 | ViN86 | for example, id like to use the users/groups/passwords from one machine on another via NFS |
| 19:07.36 | eptalon | ViN86: several |
| 19:07.36 | jhutchins_lt | eptalon: Used it. |
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| 19:07.59 | nsadmin | hmm. it says it's on |
| 19:08.07 | ViN86 | eptalon: I tried mounting the directories via NFS and using links to the passwd and shadow and groups files |
| 19:08.11 | ViN86 | didnt work though :/ |
| 19:08.13 | jhutchins_lt | ViN86: NIS, Winbind |
| 19:08.15 | jelly-home | ViN86: not via NFS, but there are other methods to implement shared passwd/shadow |
| 19:08.20 | jelly-home | ldap |
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| 19:08.34 | jhutchins_lt | Well, I'm off to play mechanic and vet tech for the afternoon, have fun. |
| 19:08.36 | ViN86 | ahh ok thanks guys, ill check out NIS |
| 19:08.49 | nsadmin | how can I find out the size of the dvd blank in the drive? |
| 19:08.53 | eptalon | ViN86: thats a bad idea. |
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| 19:09.09 | jelly-home | ViN86: NIS (well, NIS+) is the traditional Unix way; LDAP's probably a better idea for a new setup |
| 19:09.30 | ViN86 | so you guys recommend LDAP? ok, ill try that then |
| 19:09.37 | jhutchins_lt | jelly-home: Can pam use ldap directly now? I thought it was just a back-end for nis. |
| 19:09.43 | ViN86 | thanks a lot guys |
| 19:09.53 | nsadmin | it's more of a stronger lack of recommendation for NIS :) |
| 19:10.08 | jelly-home | jhutchins_lt: there're modules for pam and nss. |
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| 19:11.07 | jelly-home | jhutchins_lt: just the other day we coerced tac_plus to authenticate from AD via pam_ldap |
| 19:11.45 | jelly-home | it made me want to kill libldap / openldap developers |
| 19:11.57 | jelly-home | but it works, now |
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| 19:12.14 | nsadmin | so the process was frustrating... |
| 19:12.41 | jelly-home | "oh hey, if debug is enabled we'll just let libldap write stuff to fd 2... whatever it be used for" |
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| 19:13.02 | eptalon | nsadmin: depends of course: If you olny have sloaris boxes, nis is probably better than ldap.. |
| 19:13.14 | xxtjaxx | jhutchins_lt: X on a server is blasphemia |
| 19:13.14 | jelly-home | nis+ ! |
| 19:13.25 | aleray | jhutchins_lt, just to let you know that the circuits on the pastic sheets are kind of burned on some areas |
| 19:13.34 | nsadmin | you can put x client libs on a server |
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| 19:13.49 | jelly-home | xxtjaxx: except when you have vendors wanting to log in via XDMCP |
| 19:14.04 | BiGViC | jhutchins_lt: well I don't want anything fancy I just want it working that's why I like debian simple working and effective :) |
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| 19:14.16 | nsadmin | hell, you can put the x server there too... one of the reasons for not doing so is to have more physical space for servers |
| 19:14.42 | jelly-home | nsadmin: because X server packages take extra physical space? |
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| 19:14.48 | xxtjaxx | jelly-home: which vendors ? |
| 19:14.52 | nsadmin | because monitors do |
| 19:15.11 | nsadmin | and mouse/kbd |
| 19:15.16 | abrotman | nsadmin: you don't have a KVM? or serial console already? or run X remotely? |
| 19:15.16 | jelly-home | xxtjaxx: commercial app vendors |
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| 19:15.31 | bbelt16ag | oh great debian gods please spare my server and let me install grub! |
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| 19:15.43 | nsadmin | I do have sorta a kvm setup |
| 19:15.47 | bbelt16ag | *cough* |
| 19:15.52 | bbelt16ag | sorry had to clear my throat |
| 19:16.00 | bbelt16ag | um cna somebody help me install grub? |
| 19:16.07 | eptalon | bbelt16ag: details? |
| 19:16.07 | abrotman | aptitude install grub2? |
| 19:16.11 | jelly-home | nsadmin: or use decent hardware with remote console access |
| 19:16.13 | xxtjaxx | jelly-home: btw here X11 moans and says moo No Screens |
| 19:16.26 | bbelt16ag | its saying unknown filesystem when i try to install on my partition |
| 19:16.30 | bbelt16ag | i can;t upgrade |
| 19:16.34 | nsadmin | what motherboards offer that? |
| 19:16.35 | bbelt16ag | i got to use whats ont he live cd |
| 19:16.43 | bbelt16ag | and i am not reinstalling |
| 19:16.44 | jelly-home | xxtjaxx: which debian release? pastebin /var/log/Xorg.0.log and lspci -nn |
| 19:16.45 | eptalon | my hard drives drive at a staggering spepd of 12MB/sec. |
| 19:16.57 | bbelt16ag | i got a image and i copied it over and now i got to get the dang bootloader. |
| 19:17.02 | eptalon | bbelt16ag: what ile system? |
| 19:17.08 | bbelt16ag | ext3 |
| 19:17.13 | bbelt16ag | what else is there? |
| 19:17.17 | nsadmin | bile system? |
| 19:17.25 | bbelt16ag | file |
| 19:17.27 | eptalon | bbelt16ag: is the partition maked as "linux" (83, I think)? |
| 19:17.32 | nsadmin | oh :) |
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| 19:17.53 | jelly-home | eptalon: why is that important? |
| 19:18.00 | bbelt16ag | it should be i formatted it my self before i put the partition on it |
| 19:18.16 | eptalon | bbelt16ag: there are a myriad, grub cant boot off some, some are fuse, so they are not available to boot from, hence the question. |
| 19:18.26 | nsadmin | formatted? how? |
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| 19:18.35 | bbelt16ag | its ext3 |
| 19:18.43 | nsadmin | you say you formatted -before- you put the partition? |
| 19:18.43 | bbelt16ag | gparted |
| 19:18.48 | eptalon | bbelt16ag: shouldn't be a prob. |
| 19:18.54 | bbelt16ag | lol |
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| 19:21.04 | bbelt16ag | it sayd its 0xee partition type |
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| 19:21.49 | xxtjaxx_ | jelly-home: sorry for the dumb question but I needed to logon irc locally first |
| 19:22.22 | bbelt16ag | so i suppose my image is corrupted and thats why the copy over screwed it up then? |
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| 19:24.21 | pallgone | I've been trying some stuff with LVM but grub2 is really bad at handling it |
| 19:24.45 | xxtjaxx_ | jelly-home: there you go Xorg.0.log http://pastebin.com/qEdd2Sz6 |
| 19:24.50 | jimmyloves | i have a quick question, how to do i kill X? |
| 19:24.53 | pallgone | i.e. grub-update won't work in most setups |
| 19:25.02 | eptalon | bbelt16ag: "sfdisk -l /dev/sda" here shows something like "/dev/sda1 0+ 574226- 574226- 1465137560 83 Linux |
| 19:25.13 | nsadmin | jimmyloves, ctrl-alt-bksp |
| 19:25.19 | eptalon | bbelt16ag: 83 is the partition type |
| 19:25.34 | pallgone | right now I'm trying crunchbang linux which is based on debian squeeze, very nice... |
| 19:25.51 | jimmyloves | member:nsadmin: what should I edit to keep it from starting up default? |
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| 19:26.07 | bbelt16ag | all i got are 'empty' |
| 19:26.12 | bbelt16ag | in that columnt |
| 19:26.12 | nsadmin | pallgone, just so you know, there's not support for crunchbang here... |
| 19:26.14 | bbelt16ag | coumn |
| 19:26.17 | bbelt16ag | column |
| 19:26.40 | bbelt16ag | well ectcept for sdb1 |
| 19:26.43 | bbelt16ag | its efi GPT |
| 19:26.59 | pallgone | nsadmin: I'm just letting you know that it's a nice distro |
| 19:27.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | bbelt16ag, pardon? |
| 19:27.40 | pallgone | lightweight, fully functional, debian based. I hate the ubuntu crap |
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| 19:27.44 | bbelt16ag | for sdb1 its EFI GPT for the last column where the filesystem type is |
| 19:27.56 | bbelt16ag | what thatmean heck if i know |
| 19:28.01 | bbelt16ag | never seen the type |
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| 19:30.05 | relzzz | if i have vlc ver 0.86h and i want to compile 1.0.0, will i have to uninstall the old version, or will it override it or will i have two executable separate versions? |
| 19:30.25 | bbelt16ag | ow i got a headache |
| 19:30.37 | bbelt16ag | must bee all that pounding my head into the desk |
| 19:30.40 | nsadmin | if you build yourself you should uninstall |
| 19:30.55 | nsadmin | and you should not use prefix=/usr |
| 19:31.48 | relzzz | how do i uninstall? and what does prefix=/usr mean? |
| 19:31.57 | jelly-home | pallgone: small derivative distro also means less people to ask for help when something goes wrong |
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| 19:33.15 | quuxman | ARRHRHhhhRHGgggg, what is overwriting /etc/resolv.conf every few hours? |
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| 19:33.28 | nsadmin | quuxman: dhcp client |
| 19:33.39 | pallgone | jelly-home: well, it's just like squeeze but with some stuff preconfigured like I want it... so I have less things to configure when I install :) |
| 19:33.39 | nsadmin | why is that bad?> |
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| 19:33.59 | pallgone | jelly-home: and if something goes wrong... I don't have a problem |
| 19:34.12 | quuxman | because I want "nameserver 127.0.0.1" because I'm running my own bind, and it keeps overwriting the domain to something that's wrong |
| 19:34.28 | quuxman | and I don't want the search line in there either |
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| 19:34.41 | nsadmin | ok, aptitude install resolvconf |
| 19:34.56 | nsadmin | then you can put that name server in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 19:35.02 | jelly-home | pallgone: I see it like this, if something goes wrong, you can't ask here because this channel has no idea what changes were introduced in the direvative distro |
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| 19:35.06 | xxtjaxx_ | kill x11 by Ctrl+Alt+Del Right` |
| 19:35.09 | xxtjaxx_ | ? |
| 19:35.13 | nsadmin | resolvconf adds syntax to /etc/network/interfaces |
| 19:35.14 | jelly-home | derivative! |
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| 19:36.14 | quuxman | nsadmin: yay, I love IRC. That would've taken me a while to find |
| 19:36.18 | quuxman | nsadmin: thanks |
| 19:36.24 | pallgone | jelly-home: well, even if I am using squeeze, you will say: it's not stable etc., or nobody will answer at all, so there's not much difference |
| 19:36.35 | jelly-home | xxtjaxx_: Control Alt Backspace, and it might be not enabled depending on the distro (well, on xorg version) |
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| 19:37.02 | quuxman | yeah I was pretty taken aback when ctrl+alt+backspace stopped working |
| 19:37.09 | nsadmin | then, dhcp server can overwrite all it wants, and your name server will be also written |
| 19:37.41 | jelly-home | !ctlaltbackspace |
| 19:37.41 | dpkg | In Lenny, disable termination of your X server via Ctrl+Alt+Backspace by placing Option "DontZap" "on" within the ServerFlags section of your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file, see xorg.conf(5) or ask me about <xorg config lenny>. In Squeeze, zapping is disabled by default. "dpkg-reconfigure -pmedium keyboard-configuration" and answer Yes when asked if Ctrl+Alt+Backspace can terminate the X server; setxkbmap -option terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp |
| 19:38.41 | nsadmin | is there a way I can query the "official" max size of the blank media in the drive? |
| 19:39.02 | jelly-home | nsadmin: what kind of media? |
| 19:39.11 | nsadmin | dvd+r |
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| 19:40.05 | jelly-home | nsadmin: dvd+rw-tools: /usr/bin/dvd+rw-mediainfo |
| 19:40.17 | jelly-home | (it's for any dvd medium) |
| 19:40.21 | xxtjaxx_ | what was the next step 1280by ??? |
| 19:40.32 | xxtjaxx_ | in screen resolution |
| 19:40.37 | nsadmin | dvd+rw-tools is package name? |
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| 19:40.58 | kynski | Hi everybody! |
| 19:41.04 | nsadmin | nm, yep it is |
| 19:41.06 | jelly-home | xxtjaxx_: sorry, have you pastebinned the request data? I might have missed the link |
| 19:41.16 | jelly-home | requested* |
| 19:41.34 | xxtjaxx_ | jelly-home: nevermind hacked it up from the default in /usrshare |
| 19:41.39 | xxtjaxx_ | http://pastebin.com/qEdd2Sz6 but here it is |
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| 19:42.25 | kynski | I've HP Pav dv6-2110sw. I cannot change brightess of LCD display. I've sid version. |
| 19:42.31 | vitaly | is IA-64 refers to Itanium? or Intel Achitecture 64 bit? |
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| 19:42.45 | eptalon | vitaly: IA64 is itanium |
| 19:42.52 | vitaly | k thanks |
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| 19:43.06 | eptalon | vitaly: 64-bit Intel/Amd is AMD64 (or EM64T) |
| 19:43.10 | kynski | dmesg says nothing. I don't know what's going on. |
| 19:43.27 | nsadmin | IA-64 refers to Itanium |
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| 19:44.36 | nsadmin | amd64 refers to intel or amd 64 bit, either intel core X Xuo or amd64xX |
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| 19:46.33 | p3rror | hello |
| 19:46.43 | kynski | Could anybody help me? |
| 19:46.45 | p3rror | i got this message when i tried to mount cdrom |
| 19:46.50 | p3rror | sr 1:0:0:0: [sr0] unaligned transfer |
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| 19:49.24 | dashs | I have a file server that runs etch (4.x) and would like to add some ups packages to it. It no longer seems to run 'apt-get update' any more. Is there a different source.list that I need? |
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| 19:50.03 | craigevil | dashs: etch no longer on mirrors: /msg dpkg etch->lenny |
| 19:50.34 | kynski | dashs: "upgrade" to lenny. |
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| 19:50.59 | dashs | craigevil: this runs 24x7 really don't want it offline for upgrade -- is that the only option? |
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| 19:51.16 | kynski | There is no more etch. Lenny's stable version now. Squeeze became testing version. |
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| 19:53.00 | vitaly | man, do i really haveto download all 5 dvd images to do a basic debian install with gnome gui? |
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| 19:53.34 | mguy | vitaly: just download the first dvd or cd |
| 19:53.41 | mguy | Or the netinstall |
| 19:53.49 | vitaly | ok |
| 19:53.53 | cipher | (assuming you have continued net access) |
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| 19:54.01 | peterrooney | dashs: there's no real need to take it offline |
| 19:54.31 | kynski | vitaly: You need only first CD. Next CDs has other unnescessary packages. |
| 19:54.34 | dashs | peterrooney: just pray a lot. |
| 19:54.39 | vitaly | ok |
| 19:54.41 | vitaly | cool |
| 19:54.45 | vitaly | 1st cd it is |
| 19:54.49 | craigevil | dashs: Find old Debian releases at http://archive.debian.org/ |
| 19:54.51 | vitaly | does it come with gnome? |
| 19:54.58 | mguy | vitaly: yes |
| 19:55.00 | vitaly | or troll |
| 19:55.06 | vitaly | whichever it is |
| 19:55.13 | kynski | vitaly: Yes. You should just choose this version. |
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| 19:55.50 | kynski | vitaly: Because you can download version with netinstall, xfce4 or kde. |
| 19:55.51 | peterrooney | The only time i've ever had a problem was going from woody to sarge on powerpc. had to run apt-get dist=upgrade a whopping three times! |
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| 19:56.28 | mguy | vitaly: I would suggest you get 'squeeze' instead of lenny |
| 19:56.29 | eptalon | is there an easy way to find the biggest of a set of numbers, to extract form a text file? |
| 19:56.49 | peterrooney | eptalon: awk can do this readily. what format is each line? |
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| 19:57.30 | eptalon | peterrooney: homepool 383G 3.69T 32 136 73.6K 12.8M |
| 19:57.50 | peterrooney | eptalon: this is right up awk's alley. |
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| 19:58.01 | vitaly | mguy: didn't lenny just got released recently? |
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| 19:58.13 | eptalon | I want the biggest of the "12.8M" |
| 19:58.22 | kynski | Guys, Is KDE4 from Sid quite stable and (if I can say it) quite fast? |
| 19:58.24 | mguy | vitaly: well over a year ago |
| 19:58.36 | craigevil | vitaly: lenny is 2 yrs old, squeeze is due to be frozen at the end of august and will hopefully be released by the end of the yr |
| 19:58.40 | mguy | vitaly: you can compare individual package versions here http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=debian |
| 19:58.53 | mguy | Nothing wrong with Lenny but most people would prefer the newer, shinier stuff |
| 19:58.53 | vitaly | oh cool |
| 19:58.58 | gepard | I'm trying to install chromium-browser in testing and I get this from aptitude: http://paste.debian.net/79111/ |
| 19:59.21 | abrotman | gepard: aptitude update first |
| 19:59.44 | abrotman | oh, it's not in testing .. |
| 19:59.51 | abrotman | that's not going to work very well |
| 19:59.53 | peterrooney | sed 's/[A-Z]$//' <file> | awk ' { if ($NF > largest) largest=$NF } END { print largest } ' |
| 20:00.01 | craigevil | ,versions chromium-browser |
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| 20:00.03 | judd | chromium-browser -- sid: 5.0.375.86~r49890-4 |
| 20:00.34 | peterrooney | though that first draft completely destroys data on what units were there. |
| 20:00.34 | vitaly | would it be easier to upgrade from squeeze-testing to stable than from lenny? |
| 20:01.24 | gepard | So I update the dependency and install from sid? |
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| 20:01.43 | gepard | libglewmx1.5 is what it wanted |
| 20:01.46 | nsadmin | vitaly: lenny is stable |
| 20:01.56 | nsadmin | if you're running lenny you're already there |
| 20:02.31 | vitaly | nsadmin: well to the new stable, that's due in the end of august |
| 20:02.45 | vitaly | i don't want to reinstall everything so soon |
| 20:02.54 | mguy | yes it would. Like I said, I would just start using squeeze now |
| 20:02.56 | nsadmin | you don't have to reinstall |
| 20:03.27 | eptalon | peterrooney: how do I split a char sequence into its parts, eg. at the "."? |
| 20:03.39 | nsadmin | man split |
| 20:03.56 | eptalon | nsadmin: split is for files, not for lines? |
| 20:04.23 | pallgone | is xorg 1.8 going to be part of squeeze? |
| 20:04.24 | nsadmin | oh, well you could use perl's split |
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| 20:04.48 | vitaly | man cut |
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| 20:05.07 | nsadmin | you could use cut too, but that would be tedious |
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| 20:09.00 | dadaiste | hello |
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| 20:09.20 | dadaiste | after upgrading to debian testing, fdisk -l show no partition :/ |
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| 20:11.09 | abrotman | but it magically boots? |
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| 20:12.43 | dadaiste | yeah |
| 20:13.00 | dadaiste | I really don't understand how this can happen |
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| 20:13.34 | yziquel | hi. i'm having trouble fetching mails with getmail. the internet works fine except getmail ("socket error"). any idea on which channel I might get some help? |
| 20:13.47 | pallgone | dadaiste: as root? |
| 20:14.39 | dadaiste | yes |
| 20:14.49 | dadaiste | I'm doing fdisk -l as root |
| 20:16.15 | pallgone | how about cfdisk? |
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| 20:17.23 | nsadmin | look at your /etc/fstab |
| 20:17.28 | dadaiste | FATAL ERROR: Cannot open disk drive |
| 20:18.10 | jelly-home | dadaiste: so give it a disk device that exists as an option |
| 20:18.19 | jelly-home | fdisk -l /dev/sda, or whatnot |
| 20:18.27 | dadaiste | http://debian.pastebin.com/L7fY6cAg |
| 20:19.00 | dadaiste | fdisk -l /dev/sda shown nothing |
| 20:19.04 | dadaiste | shows* |
| 20:19.28 | nsadmin | output of mount? |
| 20:19.41 | jelly-home | dadaiste: pastebin the output of sfdisk -d /dev/sda and of cat /proc/partitions |
| 20:20.09 | jelly-home | dadaiste: and of "fdisk -l /dev/sda" if there's _any_ output |
| 20:22.10 | dadaiste | http://debian.pastebin.com/a4S2iibv |
| 20:22.59 | jordanm | there is an odd looking PS1 |
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| 20:24.01 | nsadmin | output of mount? |
| 20:24.41 | pallgone | everest |
| 20:24.43 | dadaiste | http://debian.pastebin.com/HznWysyU |
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| 20:27.56 | nsadmin | so something was able to read the partition table |
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| 20:30.35 | ernst | seems like hes just missing he device nodes doesnt it |
| 20:30.50 | ernst | maybe udev not working right |
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| 20:32.28 | rottenre1ords | is there a way to allow all members of a group to change the permissions of a directory? |
| 20:33.13 | rottenre1ords | e.g. if i have a wwwroot directory, and i want all members of :users to be able to modify the permissions of anything under wwwroot? |
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| 20:34.20 | eshat | Is there a way to restric ssh for root to a specific IP range, but let others to connect from anywhere ? |
| 20:34.41 | miniBill | Hi everyone. I've got a "challenge": a laptop with 32mb ram, 1gb hdd, usb port, cd reader that only reads some cds [e.g. Slackware, but not debian :(]. I'd like to install debian on it |
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| 20:35.10 | miniBill | eshat: ssh from root is a *bad* idea. are you sure you want to allow that? |
| 20:35.11 | jelly-home | miniBill: forget it, no recent debian will run |
| 20:35.12 | mguy | miniBill: Take the HD out and install it on another machine, then put it back in the laptop |
| 20:35.32 | miniBill | mguy: I have no other machine that will take that hdd |
| 20:35.34 | ernst | eshat: try Match in sshd_config (5) |
| 20:35.42 | eshat | miniBill: thats why I want to restric it to a specific IP range |
| 20:35.47 | miniBill | jelly-home: why? so what to do? |
| 20:35.51 | negge | hello guys, I want my putty terminal to look the same as a standard console on a linux system, but I can't seem to find the correct font. What's the name of the default one? |
| 20:36.07 | mguy | miniBill: OpenBSD...or just get a serial cable and let the laptop be a terminal to another Linux computer |
| 20:36.25 | jelly-home | miniBill: let's say dpkg and apt are barely managing even with twice the ram you have |
| 20:36.47 | eshat | ernst: thanks, that's it |
| 20:37.08 | miniBill | jelly-home: I see mguy: why bsd? and how to install from slackware with only a usb pen? using as terminal is a thing I'm not interested in |
| 20:37.29 | jelly-home | miniBill: is there no network card? |
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| 20:37.48 | jelly-home | miniBill: what do you mean by "using as terminal" |
| 20:37.48 | miniBill | jelly-home: exactly, no network card |
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| 20:38.15 | miniBill | jelly-home: I was talking about what mguy saiid "use a serial cable and let it be a terminal to another pc" |
| 20:38.26 | mguy | miniBill: What do you plan on using it for, it won't be very useful |
| 20:39.09 | miniBill | mguy: basically, to show the use of free software to revive old hardware |
| 20:39.28 | pallgone | they are right, any recent debian will be a pain in the a** with, say, less than 100mb ram |
| 20:39.53 | miniBill | that's a pity. should I go with DSL? |
| 20:39.57 | jelly-home | miniBill: investigate distros specializing in embedded/lowend machines |
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| 20:39.58 | mguy | miniBill: Well, I have had better luck with OpenBSD on 1990's hardware. You could use an older Debian as well |
| 20:40.23 | jelly-home | damn small linux sounds like a better idea than debian |
| 20:40.41 | mguy | jelly-home: It hasn't been worked on in years has it? |
| 20:40.53 | jelly-home | mguy: I have no idea |
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| 20:41.20 | jelly-home | there probably are other distros with a lean kernel and some small libc |
| 20:41.25 | rottenre1ords | so there is no way to allow more than one user to change the permissions of files in a directory? |
| 20:41.48 | jelly-home | rottenre1ords: are those files owned by that user? |
| 20:42.01 | jelly-home | ohm "more than one" |
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| 20:42.18 | jelly-home | rottenre1ords: what's the use case? |
| 20:42.18 | miniBill | rottenre1ords: maybe some acl setting? |
| 20:42.50 | rottenre1ords | well, i have a local web server used for development, but there are 2 developers that need to be able to upload to it |
| 20:42.51 | miniBill | last upload on dsl current is 17/11/08 :( well, I'll search |
| 20:43.04 | rottenre1ords | to the same directories |
| 20:43.36 | mguy | miniBill: I used to use Slackware 8 on a 64mb P100, try it |
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| 20:43.38 | rottenre1ords | WinSCP throws errors after the files are uploaded because it can't change the permissions |
| 20:43.58 | jelly-home | miniBill: emdebian might have an i386 effort. Or not. |
| 20:44.11 | jelly-home | !emdebian |
| 20:44.12 | dpkg | Emdebian is a binary distribution for embedded devices. It is created by the Embedded Debian project, an official Debian sub-project, which aims to make Debian GNU/Linux a mainstream choice for embedded projects. http://wiki.debian.org/Embedded_Debian http://www.emdebian.org/ #emdebian on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 20:44.28 | miniBill | thank you |
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| 20:45.19 | rottenre1ords | also Aptana won't allow you to upload directories over SFTP if you can't change permissions on the directory |
| 20:47.45 | jelly-home | rottenre1ords: make both uploaders members of the same group. Make the upload directory setgid, owned and writable by that group |
| 20:48.11 | jelly-home | rottenre1ords: make your clients use umask instead of trying to change permissions post-upload |
| 20:48.25 | jelly-home | let that umask be 002 |
| 20:49.08 | rottenre1ords | hrmm... i'll see if Aptana has that option. On WinSCP I can just make it ignore the permissions error after the upload. But my main concern is Aptana as its built-in SFTP client is somewhat basic. |
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| 20:50.49 | rottenre1ords | I already set the owner of the upload directory to :users, but I haven't tried setgid yet, so I'll try that. |
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| 20:56.16 | SuperMiguel | after installing idle-python2.6 how do i run it?? |
| 20:57.00 | jelly-home | SuperMiguel: inspect the contents of that package and use a command in /usr/bin |
| 20:57.32 | jelly-home | dpkg -L idle-python2.6 | less |
| 20:57.32 | dpkg | No packages found matching idle-python2.6 | less |
| 20:57.40 | jelly-home | dpkg: shutup |
| 20:57.40 | dpkg | No! You can STFU yourself! The voice of truth cannot be silenced! Oh, except perhaps in China... |
| 20:58.26 | SuperMiguel | ummm the python idle is broken? |
| 20:58.26 | grim | anyone else getting checksum failures on x86_32 testing? It could be my memory, but didn't want to reboot to test if it's known |
| 20:58.33 | grim | er, checksum failures on apt-get update |
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| 20:59.28 | jelly-home | "it's just you" |
| 21:00.00 | Th4xll | Hi there, quick question is there a way to avoid removing proftd when I install vsftpd ? The following packages will be REMOVED: proftpd proftpd-mysql |
| 21:00.42 | jelly-home | grim: aptitude clean, rm /var/lib/apt/lists/*_*, do an update and reget the same packages. Do the failures happen in the same place? |
| 21:00.48 | grim | hmm, i thought my sources said testing, but they were set to squeeze, i set 'em to testing and it's fine |
| 21:00.54 | jelly-home | grim: it not, it's a hardware issue |
| 21:01.23 | jelly-home | grim: you really ought to set it to "squeeze" if you don't want nasty surprises when squeeze gets released |
| 21:01.42 | grim | jelly-home: first off, can't stand aptitude, second off, it was when it was grabbing Packages Release and so on, it wasn't while installing |
| 21:01.57 | grim | jelly-home: the funny part was i just installed this, and it was fine for the instal |
| 21:02.28 | jelly-home | grim: well s/aptitude/apt-get/. It's the recommended tool now so I'm defaulting to it |
| 21:02.34 | grim | jelly-home: all my boxes run unstable with experimental, this box just needs to be testing, and it was set to squeeze, and that was the problem |
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| 21:03.15 | jelly-home | grim: nevertheless, that shouldn't happen with a debian mirror repo |
| 21:03.33 | grim | finds it sad that apt has been abandoned... need to find some time to fix that, since everytime i try to use aptitude, it does about a hundred other things i didn't tell it to do that i don't want it to do |
| 21:03.57 | grim | jelly-home: right, which is exactly why i'm here... but doing %s/squeeze/testing/g and apt-get update was happy |
| 21:04.02 | jordanm | aptitude is a front-end to apt |
| 21:04.11 | grim | so it's possible, the mirrors are messed, that's all i'm saying |
| 21:04.23 | jelly-home | grim: it certainly is. |
| 21:04.26 | jordanm | grim: perhaps you never took the time to learn the tool? |
| 21:04.28 | jelly-home | mine isn't :-D |
| 21:04.38 | grim | jordanm: not exactly, front end to dpkg yes, but aptitude and apt-get use different dependency algorithms among other things |
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| 21:05.25 | grim | http://www.pidgin.im/nopaste/137 |
| 21:05.29 | grim | see it for yourself |
| 21:05.43 | grim | jordanm: care to send any other stupid comments my way? |
| 21:06.04 | jelly-home | different dependency _resolution_ algorithms, yes. But the dependencies have to be interpreted the same way |
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| 21:06.15 | p3rror | please i can not mount cdrom |
| 21:06.29 | p3rror | mount: /dev/sr0: unknown device !! |
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| 21:06.38 | jordanm | grim: you are saying that aptitude gets a hash mishmatch but apt-get does not? |
| 21:06.43 | jelly-home | grim: I find it working well after the initial cleanup of its state and have completely switched. |
| 21:07.06 | themill | grim: that can easily be caused by a mirror that is in the middle of updating or has failed to update correctly. That isn't any such bs as "apt has been abandoned". |
| 21:07.14 | grim | jelly-home: read from the Packages which are create from the packages themselves and so on... look i didn't really come in here for this... i was trying to see if the mirror had been tinkered with, or if someone didn't resign the files correctly... |
| 21:07.23 | grim | ffs |
| 21:07.32 | grim | jordanm: i don't use aptitude |
| 21:08.10 | grim | themill: i tried it an hour ago and just now, jelly-home said aptitude is the officially supported tool, and iirc apt doesn't have a current maintainer, thus it being abandoned |
| 21:08.31 | grim | jelly-home: that's great, but it's always broken my boxes that i end up fixing with just apt |
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| 21:08.33 | themill | grim: I bet jelly did not say that "apt doesn't have a current maintainer" |
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| 21:08.43 | jelly-home | A being preferred != B abandoned |
| 21:09.06 | goncalo | is it possible to install the gnome theme darklooks on debian? |
| 21:09.12 | grim | jelly-home: theres only once instance i've seen aptitude do the right thing where apt doesn't, and that's installing just a mouse, keyboard, and one specific video driver for x. apt insists on the -all packages |
| 21:09.19 | goncalo | (lenny) |
| 21:09.44 | grim | themill: please read... i said, if i recall correctly, apt doesn't have a maintainer, unless that changed recently, since i haven't looked in a while |
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| 21:10.14 | jelly-home | goncalo: which version of Gnome is it created for? |
| 21:10.27 | goncalo | have no idea, honestly :-( |
| 21:10.29 | goncalo | let me check |
| 21:10.39 | themill | grim: so you recall incorrectly. Glad we've got that established |
| 21:10.41 | goncalo | but given I couldn't find much with google |
| 21:10.48 | goncalo | I take it it's possibly a no go |
| 21:10.53 | goncalo | unless I upgrade to syd |
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| 21:10.59 | MarkB1 | are there any known issues with "snow leopard" mac connecting to Lenny (latest) Samba... 3.2.5-4? |
| 21:11.08 | grim | themill: there was a time no so long ago, that apt didn't have a maintainer |
| 21:11.09 | MarkB1 | no probs with "leopard" connects, here ... |
| 21:11.10 | daniel | hey guys I can just run firefox from my terminal why? |
| 21:11.11 | goncalo | but my system has been so stable, that I'm coming a little concerned about doing so :-) |
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| 21:11.20 | rking | MarkB1: Search the bug tracker. |
| 21:11.25 | dutchfish | phorce1: why not post it in ancient sanskriet? |
| 21:11.28 | themill | grim: stop making up crap that you have no idea about |
| 21:11.45 | jelly-home | goncalo: I thought themes are supposed to be installable by each user (and get installed in their $HOME) |
| 21:11.55 | grim | themill: even if my memory is mistaken, at least i know how to read... |
| 21:12.15 | themill | right... |
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| 21:13.05 | MarkB1 | rking: quick google, found this... http://www.iezzi.ch/archives/435 but I must tweak our Prod Samba carefully -- several shares may be affected :) |
| 21:13.15 | grim | oh noes, i'm going to get kickbanned... remind me to stop using debian even though i've been using it since potato because someone can't read and has to show how big his dick is... |
| 21:13.18 | goncalo | jelly-home: maybe you're right, I'm not particularly experienced when it comes to graphical environments on linux :-) |
| 21:13.43 | themill | grim: any time you wish to stop being annoying is fine with the rest of us |
| 21:14.04 | grim | themill: i tried to stop it before, but you all ignored what i said and kept going... |
| 21:14.06 | craigevil | ,versions apt |
| 21:14.07 | judd | apt -- etch: 0.6.46.4-0.1+etch1; etch-security: 0.6.46.4-0.1+etch1; lenny-security: 0.7.20.2+lenny1; lenny: 0.7.20.2+lenny2; squeeze-security: 0.7.20.2+squeeze1; sid: 0.7.25.3; squeeze: 0.7.25.3; experimental: 0.7.26~exp7 |
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| 21:14.27 | grim | themill: scroll up... i said, look i didn't come in here for this, i came in here to make sure the mirror was alright... |
| 21:14.36 | grim | themill: go ahead and look, you'll see it (maybe) |
| 21:15.15 | themill | grim which part of "grim: that can easily be caused by a mirror that is in the middle of updating or has failed to update correctly. That isn't any such bs as "apt has been abandoned"." was unclear? And precisely where did jelly say "apt is unmaintained"? |
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| 21:16.05 | goncalo | brilliant, I just copied it over from a sid installation at work and it works flawlessly :-) |
| 21:16.46 | themill | grim: and you might like to look at the list of apt revisions that judd just showed (thanks, craigevil) to add to your "apt is unmaintained" portfolio. |
| 21:16.48 | grim | themill: yes i caught that part, and i never said jelly said apt was unmaintained, i said that "IF I RECALL CORRECTLY apt is unmaintained" there was no reference to anyone else in here... it was something i read months back, i took all responsibility of being the one saying it... but apparently i wasn't clear enough the first two times, so this time i used caps |
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| 21:17.36 | grim | oh ffs, i said i recalled reading something a while back... do you really think i don't believe you... the mean behind iirc is that "hey i could be completely wrong but i thought it was this..." |
| 21:17.43 | grim | can't believe he has to explain this... |
| 21:18.06 | themill | grim: and I've told you how many times what the likely problem is and you're still banging on about this. |
| 21:18.39 | grim | themill: no i'm not, i've got work to do... i'm more worried about you banning me for some stupid reason, and then reporting me to the IRCOPS on a freaking misconception |
| 21:19.02 | themill | oh ffs... just drop it will you? |
| 21:19.26 | grim | themill: yeah the mirrors could be updating that's fine, makes sense, i didn't think of it at the time, but that's because i thought most mirrors sync every 6 hours at 0, 6, 12, and 18, and since i'm gmt -6, it'd have to be on a 6 marker, but i could be wrong there too |
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| 21:20.04 | cantoma | guys, chown gives permission to a user to user regarding a folder where a mount point exists. But once I unmount and mount it again happens that I get permission denied again. Is there a way of doing chown permanently for a folder??? |
| 21:20.11 | grim | and i'd love to drop it, but you keep saying i said things i didn't, and i'm not going to let that fly |
| 21:20.43 | dutchfish | grim: http://test.mithril-linux.org/debian-mirror-check.html |
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| 21:21.21 | grim | dutchfish: that's awesome, thanks :) |
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| 21:22.25 | Freddy2 | hi |
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| 21:23.11 | Freddy2 | is there any way to know in synaptic (or directly with apt) which is the source of an update? (before updating) |
| 21:24.30 | Bushmills | Freddy2, apt-cache policy |
| 21:25.00 | cantoma | guys ... anyone knows about permissions denied and mount points ???? |
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| 21:25.43 | Freddy2 | thx |
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| 21:26.41 | jelly-home | cantoma: a true unix filesystem will keep ownership and permissions across remounts |
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| 21:27.20 | grim | cantoma: if it's a flash drive (or anything formatted with ntfs/fat) it's going to forget the permissions on remount |
| 21:27.43 | cantoma | jelly-home, grim, so which of you is right ???? |
| 21:28.01 | jelly-home | cantoma: we aren't disagreeing |
| 21:28.04 | grim | cantoma: what is the drive formatted as? (and technically, both of us) |
| 21:28.11 | cantoma | NTFS |
| 21:28.18 | jelly-home | there you go |
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| 21:28.43 | jelly-home | you're using a ntfs driver not fully implementing unix permissions |
| 21:28.47 | cantoma | jelly-home, its a new one i just took it out of the box |
| 21:29.27 | jelly-home | cantoma: if you reformat it to a unix fs, it'll have unix permissions |
| 21:29.56 | lindi- | and you can't read it on some other computer that has different user ids |
| 21:30.27 | lindi- | (unless you are root and manually start fixing things every time) |
| 21:30.27 | jelly-home | sure you can, you just might need root |
| 21:30.58 | jelly-home | and since physical access is involved, getting root access is easy |
| 21:31.03 | lindi- | debian does not make it easy to practically usb usb sticks to carry data from /to computers that you don't own |
| 21:31.09 | lindi- | s/usb/use/ |
| 21:31.12 | cfdisk | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NgIY352G_sU |
| 21:31.16 | cfdisk | Ohh Yeeeaaah |
| 21:32.20 | peterrooney | cantoma: it's usually straightforward to add -o uid=NNN,gid=NNN to the mount options |
| 21:32.29 | lindi- | jelly-home: libraries, internet cafes, universities are not going to appreciate that :)[3~[3~[3~[3~[3~net |
| 21:32.58 | cantoma | peterrooney, thats a better way .. NTFS since i need to use this disk in windows computers |
| 21:34.59 | jelly-home | lindi-: I don't see why that's relevant to cantoma's issue |
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| 21:35.14 | peterrooney | i think of it this way: when you mount a drive, the mount point folder is replaced by the drive's "/" |
| 21:35.19 | jelly-home | cantoma: so you don't really need proper unix permissions and different users on that fs? |
| 21:35.48 | cantoma | jelly-home, i want to be mounted on a regular basis without requiring root |
| 21:36.10 | jelly-home | cantoma: and accessed by a single (non-root) unix user? |
| 21:36.30 | cantoma | jelly-home, yes |
| 21:36.55 | jelly-home | /dev/sda3 /win7 ntfs-3g defaults,user,noauto,uid=jelly,gid=users,umask=022 0 0 |
| 21:36.56 | cantoma | jelly-home, its not my disk .. its my department .. but i will use it everyday |
| 21:37.42 | jelly-home | (replace the absolute device with LABEL=foo for an external / hotpluggable disk) |
| 21:38.02 | jelly-home | LABEL=ntfs-ext /media/ext ntfs-3g defaults,user,noauto,uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=022,locale=hr_HR.UTF-8 0 0 |
| 21:38.57 | cantoma | jelly-home, I can access to it .. but not to write on it |
| 21:39.36 | cantoma | i just try to copy and it says Permission denied |
| 21:39.39 | grim | cantoma: add an 'ro' to the options then |
| 21:39.46 | jelly-home | cantoma: you can access what device? How do you mount it? Did you understand the example fstab entries? |
| 21:39.53 | grim | cantoma: oh, ignore what i just said |
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| 21:40.14 | cantoma | /dev/backup2 /media/backup2 auto user,noauto,uid=jduro,gid=users,umask=022 0 0 |
| 21:40.26 | cantoma | mount backup2/ |
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| 21:40.51 | jelly-home | cantoma: compare that with my example. Note the difference wrt fs type field. |
| 21:41.06 | cantoma | jelly-home, i add it to udev |
| 21:41.11 | jelly-home | hint: it's not "auto" |
| 21:41.24 | cantoma | jelly-home, but i can access to it |
| 21:41.27 | cantoma | and see the content |
| 21:41.36 | jelly-home | waits |
| 21:42.23 | jhutchins_lt | jelly-home: Possibly a different umask? |
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| 21:42.48 | grim | cantoma: you're using the old read only driver thats in the kernel, not the read/write ntfs-3g one that jelly-home is using |
| 21:42.55 | jelly-home | cantoma: the problem with free software is that anyone can reimplement the same stuff again and again because they didn't like the old implementation. Linux has multiple drivers for NTFS, and the default is read-only |
| 21:43.03 | grim | cantoma: until you change auto to ntfs-3g you won't be able to write to it |
| 21:43.21 | cantoma | ok i will change it |
| 21:44.03 | cantoma | jduro@ssxp34089c:/media$ mount backup2/ |
| 21:44.04 | cantoma | mount: unknown filesystem type 'ntfs-3g' |
| 21:44.11 | jelly-home | you'll also need to install ntfs-3g package |
| 21:44.13 | cantoma | bad :( |
| 21:44.23 | jelly-home | and add yourself to the fuse group |
| 21:45.03 | cantoma | jelly-home, for now i did apt-get install ntfs-3g |
| 21:45.10 | jhutchins_lt | It's not that Debian makes this hard, it just doesn't do it for you without asking like that Redmond system would. |
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| 21:45.18 | cantoma | jelly-home, how can i add it to fuse group? |
| 21:45.31 | jelly-home | cantoma: adduser username fuse |
| 21:45.44 | cantoma | jelly-home, its already |
| 21:45.48 | cantoma | a member |
| 21:45.54 | jelly-home | cantoma: good |
| 21:46.00 | cantoma | jduro@ssxp34089c:/media$ mount backup2/ |
| 21:46.00 | cantoma | Error opening '/dev/sdc1': Permission denied |
| 21:46.01 | cantoma | Failed to mount '/dev/sdc1': Permission denied |
| 21:46.01 | cantoma | Please check '/dev/sdc1' and the ntfs-3g binary permissions, |
| 21:46.01 | cantoma | and the mounting user ID. More explanation is provided at |
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| 21:46.17 | grim | has anyone come up with a way for group changes to be updated without logging out/in? i just do the ssh trick if it's not graphical... |
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| 21:46.37 | jelly-home | cantoma: does "id -a" show fuse among other groups? |
| 21:46.46 | cantoma | uid=1000(jduro) gid=1000(jduro) groups=6(disk),8(mail),9(news),12(man),13(proxy),22(voice),24(cdrom),29(audio),33(www-data),39(irc),44(video),46(plugdev),100(users),118(fuse),1000(jduro) |
| 21:47.00 | jelly-home | cantoma: that's a "yes" |
| 21:47.11 | jelly-home | cantoma: ls -l `which ntfs-3g` |
| 21:47.24 | cantoma | /usr/bin/ntfs-3g |
| 21:47.41 | peterrooney | cantoma: you can also add file permissions, directory permissions for NTFS and FAT fs. Konqueror does an OK job of detecting USB drives, don't know why you have to hit refresh at least once before they become visible. |
| 21:47.41 | jelly-home | that's not the output of ls -l `which ntfs-3g` |
| 21:48.14 | cantoma | this is a console only computer .. that is because i am having this problems |
| 21:48.16 | jelly-home | cantoma: please paste the output of "ls -l `which ntfs-3g`" command |
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| 21:48.28 | peterrooney | grim: i think that might qualify as a security problem if you could. |
| 21:48.34 | cantoma | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 40432 2008-10-25 18:43 /usr/bin/ntfs-3g |
| 21:48.42 | jelly-home | ah. no setuid |
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| 21:48.55 | peterrooney | cantoma: it will always be the same user accessing the mounted drive? |
| 21:48.58 | jelly-home | cantoma: chgrp fuse /usr/bin/ntfs-3g && chmod 4754 /usr/bin/ntfs-3g |
| 21:49.03 | cantoma | peterrooney, yes |
| 21:49.07 | grim | peterrooney: i mean, say i do a sudo adduser grim fuse inside of an xterm, it's stupid that i have to restart x to be able to use fuse. and i don't see how that's a security problem... |
| 21:49.14 | jelly-home | doesn't bother with statoverride |
| 21:49.34 | grim | peterrooney: my ssh hack is to ssh back into the same box which counts as a login which gives me the group on that login, but the xlogin still doesn't have the group which is the main problem |
| 21:49.38 | jelly-home | cantoma: that ought to make ntfs-3g binary usable for you |
| 21:49.43 | cantoma | jelly-home, it still says the same |
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| 21:50.15 | jelly-home | cantoma: please paste the output of "ls -l `which ntfs-3g`" command again |
| 21:50.27 | jelly-home | ,versions ntfs-3g |
| 21:50.28 | cantoma | -rwsr-xr-- 1 root fuse 40432 2008-10-25 18:43 /usr/bin/ntfs-3g |
| 21:50.29 | judd | ntfs-3g -- etch-backports: 1:1.2531-1.1~bpo40+1; lenny: 1:1.2531-1.1; sid: 1:2010.3.6-1; squeeze: 1:2010.3.6-1 |
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| 21:50.56 | jelly-home | cantoma: that's good. |
| 21:51.18 | cantoma | jelly-home, but the mount still says Please check '/dev/sdc1' and the ntfs-3g binary permissions, |
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| 21:51.30 | Prescident|Fnord | hi all, just wondering if there is an easy way to watch everything somebody does logged onto my server via ssh without the other party knowing you are watching... |
| 21:51.32 | Prescident|Fnord | ? |
| 21:51.47 | jelly-home | cantoma: what is the exact mount command you're running? |
| 21:52.00 | cantoma | jelly-home, i have added this to udev if that helps |
| 21:52.15 | cantoma | BUS=="usb", KERNEL=="sd?1", SYSFS{idProduct}=="1003", SYSFS{idVendor}=="1058", NAME="%k", SYMLINK="backup2" |
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| 21:52.44 | jordanm | Prescident|Fnord: not unless you can get them to connect to a shared GNU screen session and hope they don't check who is connected... |
| 21:52.47 | cantoma | jelly-home, mount /media/backup2 |
| 21:52.56 | jordanm | Prescident|Fnord: you can use something like inotify |
| 21:52.57 | peterrooney | Prescident|Fnord: remove /bin/ps, /bin/top, and /lib/libproc-* |
| 21:53.19 | jelly-home | cantoma: ls -l /dev/sdc1 ? |
| 21:53.27 | jordanm | peterrooney: what stops them from looking in /proc themselves? |
| 21:53.29 | cantoma | brw-rw---- 1 root floppy 8, 33 2010-06-29 16:56 /dev/sdc1 |
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| 21:53.47 | Tramp | Prescident|Fnord: there is a program called "ttysnoop", iirc, which may do what you want. Not sure though |
| 21:54.10 | jhutchins_lt | Prescident|Fnord: It's harder than snooping on X but it can be done. |
| 21:54.14 | Prescident|Fnord | im playing with that one as well, thanks Tramp ... |
| 21:54.27 | phuzion | What would be the best way to run a python script as a daemon in the background? |
| 21:54.28 | Tramp | yw |
| 21:54.31 | jhutchins_lt | Prescident|Fnord: You can also tee their bash_history. |
| 21:54.36 | jelly-home | cantoma: for some reason, your user isn't a member of that group "floppy" |
| 21:54.52 | Tramp | bash_history is written when the shell exits |
| 21:54.57 | cantoma | jelly-home, so i will have to add it |
| 21:55.12 | Prescident|Fnord | yes, but need to capture thier activities on other machines through this one too |
| 21:55.19 | jelly-home | cantoma: if you chgrp disk /dev/sdc1, does mount work differently? |
| 21:55.51 | jhutchins_lt | phuzion: python <script> & or maybe nohup python <script> |
| 21:56.00 | cantoma | jelly-home, just this ---> ntfs-3g-mount: user has no write access to mountpoint /media/backup2 |
| 21:56.21 | phuzion | jhutchins_lt: would that allow me to close my terminal window and have the process continue in the background? |
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| 21:56.41 | jelly-home | cantoma: good, so all that's left is to chown jduro /media/backup2 |
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| 21:56.55 | jhutchins_lt | phuzion: nohup would, so would running it in screen (where you could leave it in the foreground). |
| 21:57.34 | xs | hi. i just upgraded my debian/testing box: after cryptsetup it tells me "kernel panic: killed init". any ideas? |
| 21:57.47 | cantoma | jelly-home, looks good now :) .. will something be lost if i reboot? |
| 21:57.50 | jelly-home | cantoma: you'll have to either add yourself to group floppy for future reference or coerce udev to make that device be owned by group disk |
| 21:58.24 | cantoma | jelly-home, will this do --> adduser jduro floppy |
| 21:58.32 | jelly-home | cantoma: upgrading ntfs-3g will lose the setuid and group and permissions on /usr/bin/ntfs-3g; the rest is permanent |
| 21:59.17 | cantoma | jelly-home, so do i need to reset the permission for /usr/bin/ntfs-3g everytime ?? |
| 21:59.29 | jelly-home | cantoma: that seems like the correct syntax to add user jduro to group floppy |
| 22:00.03 | jelly-home | cantoma: on every upgrade of ntfs-3g package, yes |
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| 22:00.20 | cantoma | jelly-home, seems tricky |
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| 22:00.43 | jelly-home | cantoma: dpkg-statoverride can be used to set permissions to packaged files across package upgrades |
| 22:00.53 | cantoma | chmod 4754 /usr/bin/ntfs-3g |
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| 22:01.05 | jelly-home | dpkg-statoverride would be "the proper way" |
| 22:01.22 | jelly-home | cantoma: chgrp _and_ chmod |
| 22:01.43 | cantoma | chgrp fuse /usr/bin/ntfs-3g && chmod 4754 /usr/bin/ntfs-3g |
| 22:02.12 | jelly-home | cantoma: also. ntfs-3g in stable is really old and buggy. You might stumble onto some bugs. |
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| 22:02.42 | cantoma | jelly-home, do you think its better if i format this in fat32 |
| 22:02.56 | phuzion | jhutchins_lt: Would it work if I were to add the python script to cron at boot as well, so the process starts? Or would I have to do something special to run it in the background with nohup? |
| 22:03.05 | jelly-home | cantoma: after all this trouble? why? |
| 22:03.09 | cantoma | jelly-home, i guess this issues will not hold |
| 22:03.20 | cantoma | jelly-home, ok so dpkg-statoverride |
| 22:03.24 | cantoma | dpkg-statoverride [<option> ...] <command> |
| 22:03.43 | jelly-home | you'll have to figure that one out on your own |
| 22:03.59 | cantoma | well maybe someone knows here |
| 22:04.13 | jelly-home | maybe! |
| 22:04.14 | jhutchins_lt | phuzion: You could run it from rc-local (I think). |
| 22:05.40 | cantoma | guys, will dpkg-statoverride --add jduro fuse <mode> /usr/bin/ntfs-3g will have the same effect as -> chgrp fuse /usr/bin/ntfs-3g && chmod 4754 /usr/bin/ntfs-3g ???? |
| 22:05.53 | cantoma | i have no idea what to put in <mode> |
| 22:06.33 | jelly-home | cantoma: look up current state of that file and reproduce that in the statoverride command |
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| 22:06.40 | jhutchins_lt | phuzion: Yeah, drop it in /etc/rc.local |
| 22:07.32 | cantoma | jelly-home, ok i will post it in a debian forum |
| 22:07.38 | jelly-home | cantoma: is the file owned by user jduro? Which mode did you set with chmod? You'll have to use those same values with dpkg-statoverride |
| 22:07.52 | luminoso | https://blogs.apache.org/foundation/entry/the_apache_software_foundation_receives is this true? |
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| 22:08.32 | jelly-home | cantoma: try to understand what you're doing. dpkg-statoverride is basically a tool to chown and chmod stuff and keep those permissions after upgrades. |
| 22:08.37 | phuzion | jhutchins_lt: and by default which user are processes spawned with when initiated from rc.local> |
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| 22:09.48 | jhutchins_lt | phuzion: root |
| 22:09.56 | jhutchins_lt | phuzion: Unless you use stickybit. |
| 22:09.59 | cantoma | jelly-home, ok ok but i am afraid of using this command .. is not my computer its a server |
| 22:10.21 | phuzion | jhutchins_lt: if I use stickybit, then who does it default to? |
| 22:10.32 | jelly-home | cantoma: but you weren't afraid of using chown and chmod? |
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| 22:10.43 | cantoma | jelly-home, if you tell me how to i will |
| 22:10.53 | jelly-home | ah. |
| 22:10.54 | cantoma | jelly-home, if you tell me to play with it i will not |
| 22:11.02 | jelly-home | cantoma: then don't do it |
| 22:11.27 | jelly-home | for all you know I might tell you to delete all your files and you'd happily do it |
| 22:11.40 | jhutchins_lt | phuzion: Read up on how stickybit works, and you'll also want to read about rc.local. |
| 22:11.55 | cantoma | jelly-home, well i add some understanding of what you requested me |
| 22:11.56 | jelly-home | cantoma: I don't like giving steps without you learning anything in the process |
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| 22:12.21 | jelly-home | so you have a working setup until the next upgrade of package ntfs-3g |
| 22:12.25 | cantoma | jelly-home, i understand so i will use this dpkg-statoverride appropriately |
| 22:12.31 | cantoma | but first i need to see examples |
| 22:12.42 | cantoma | jelly-home, ok |
| 22:12.46 | cantoma | thanks :) |
| 22:13.16 | jelly-home | hm. There are examples in /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.postinst somewhere ;-) |
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| 22:13.40 | jelly-home | well not so much examples as parts of someone's packaging |
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| 22:19.32 | cantoma | jelly-home, i guess there are many examples of how to format a disk in fat32 |
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| 22:20.08 | nsadmin | well manoj had these examples that don't involve debhelper or anything like that |
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| 22:22.11 | jelly-home | cantoma: note that vfat can't keep files larger thn 4GiB |
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| 22:23.36 | jelly-home | cantoma: hope you don't put dvd images on it |
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| 22:26.20 | cantoma | jelly-home, i see what you mean ... hmmmm |
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| 22:30.21 | nkuttler | wth. my mail is suddenly ending up in /var/mail even though exim is configured to use maildirs.. and i didn't change any configs or upgrade packages today.. |
| 22:30.46 | dondelelcaro | nkuttler: are you using procmail? |
| 22:30.51 | nkuttler | yeah |
| 22:30.56 | dondelelcaro | well, there you go |
| 22:30.58 | nkuttler | same rules as the last years |
| 22:31.32 | jelly-home | it enables logging and VERBOSE in .procmailrc and inspects the logs |
| 22:32.16 | nkuttler | as i thought, the mails don't show up in the procmail log |
| 22:32.21 | jelly-home | dondelelcaro: does procmail have a Y2K01 issue? |
| 22:32.29 | dondelelcaro | jelly-home: no |
| 22:32.38 | jelly-home | nkuttler: so it's not procmail's fault. |
| 22:33.20 | jelly-home | next step, MTA logs |
| 22:33.21 | nkuttler | hm. could really be a date problem. started at precisely 10pm and i'm at +2 |
| 22:33.23 | nkuttler | yeah |
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| 22:37.15 | nkuttler | i take it back. it was procmail. need to diff against the backups.. |
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| 22:39.55 | jelly-home | eeevil procmail |
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| 22:47.29 | nkuttler | this is odd. just creating an empty ~/.procmailrc and mail gets delivered to /var/mail/. no global config exists either |
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| 22:48.38 | jhutchins_lt | suspects there are some defaults in the code. |
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| 22:48.56 | jhutchins_lt | I hate it when they fix a bug that you've been unknowingly relying on. |
| 22:49.15 | nkuttler | i hate it when behaviour changes when you didn't touch the system |
| 22:49.22 | miguel000 | I am trying to access my /dev/video0 that I share via samba from my windows notebook in order to be able to watch tv there. |
| 22:49.25 | jhutchins_lt | "Finally fixed the bug that ignored the default configuration from the source files." |
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| 22:49.38 | miguel000 | should this work or is this a bad idea of mine? |
| 22:49.59 | jhutchins_lt | miguel000: While everything is a file in unix, it's not in Windows. |
| 22:50.30 | miguel000 | in linux I can simply do mplayer /dev/video0 |
| 22:50.41 | miguel000 | and its handled like an infinite mpeg file |
| 22:50.52 | miguel000 | so I thought I can also open it in windows that simply... |
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| 22:51.00 | jhutchins_lt | In windows the driver needs access to the hardware, not a pseudo file. |
| 22:51.13 | jordanm | miguel000: I would recommend something such as vlc, that is multi-platform and supports streaming |
| 22:51.37 | jhutchins_lt | miguel000: Yeah, stream the video from the linux box if you want to watch it on the windows box. |
| 22:51.46 | jordanm | both server and client |
| 22:51.59 | nsadmin | in your windows should rhyme with inuendo |
| 22:52.22 | miguel000 | ooh, ook I do have vlc on my linux machine |
| 22:52.31 | miguel000 | Ill check out how it can STREAM something |
| 22:52.36 | miguel000 | thx for the advice |
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| 22:54.12 | jhutchins_lt | Wonder if it'd work linux-to-linux, sharing a /dev via NFS or samba? |
| 22:55.39 | miguel000 | jhutchins_lt: linux-to-win seems not to work |
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| 22:55.57 | miguel000 | hmmm or maybe it will work if I also allow write access |
| 22:56.10 | jhutchins_lt | miguel000: Yeah, wouldn't expect it to. |
| 22:56.23 | jhutchins_lt | miguel000: Windows just doesn't deal with devices the same way. |
| 22:56.58 | miguel000 | jhutchins_lt: /dev/video0 behaves simply like an mpeg file under linux |
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| 22:57.44 | miguel000 | nah but it still doesn't work. makes my smplayer under winodws crash |
| 22:58.00 | miguel000 | Ill have to try this vlc streaming |
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| 23:02.38 | tjadog | what package gives me this libstdc++? error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
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| 23:02.44 | tjadog | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:02.46 | tjadog | E: Invalid operation libstdc++ |
| 23:03.00 | nkuttler | ok, syslog had the info. procmail didn't like the permissions on ~/.procmailrc. should have logged to ~/procmai-log |
| 23:03.07 | tjadog | oops if I do a apt-get libstdc++ I get that E: invalid operation |
| 23:03.26 | nsadmin | tjadog what exactly did you run to get that |
| 23:03.33 | jordanm | !tell tjadog about bat |
| 23:03.46 | nsadmin | !bat |
| 23:03.46 | dpkg | In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
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| 23:03.48 | tjadog | nsadmin: trying to install password gorilla |
| 23:04.34 | tjadog | I think I need to obtain the libstdc++ (thats what password gorilla tells me) so I was wondering how I can obtain that package? |
| 23:04.58 | nsadmin | tjadog: ok, I was going to ask your overall goal in a few mins... but since you answered, good :) but what exact command line produced the err msg? |
| 23:04.58 | nkuttler | hm, what do i use again to pipe an mbox through procmail? |
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| 23:05.14 | nsadmin | nkuttler, formail? |
| 23:05.28 | nkuttler | my first though too, just going through the man page |
| 23:06.04 | nsadmin | well formail is more general than that, being it's a sortof "foreach" for mboxes |
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| 23:06.39 | tjadog | nsadmin: http://paste.debian.net/79130/ |
| 23:06.57 | themill | tjadog: when a command says something like "invalid operation" you might find its documentation enlightening. "man apt-get" or better "man aptitude". |
| 23:07.47 | nsadmin | tjadog, ok, what does that .bin file spozed to do? |
| 23:08.25 | tjadog | nsadmin: its a linux binary for password gorilla -> http://github.com/zdia/gorilla/downloads |
| 23:08.30 | miguel000 | hoooray it works with vlc! |
| 23:09.40 | nsadmin | tjadog, so you're installing some prebuilt binaries |
| 23:10.09 | tjadog | nsadmin: was trying to yes |
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| 23:10.24 | nsadmin | I'll just point out here, that it might turn out you need to build from source, but we might cross that bridge later |
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| 23:10.42 | tjadog | ok thats fine. I was just trying to get password gorilla up and running :) |
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| 23:10.50 | tjadog | figured the .bin would be a good option |
| 23:10.53 | tjadog | if it worked |
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| 23:11.59 | tjadog | nsadmin: I think maybe I need to install TCL/TK since I just noticed on http://wiki.github.com/zdia/gorilla/ that it is a dependency |
| 23:12.14 | nsadmin | briefly, building from source has the advantage that it uses your existing libs and many times if the build system is robust and portable, it will check for existance of calls, and generate code that uses what does exist |
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| 23:12.20 | nsadmin | tcl and tk both? |
| 23:12.46 | syslq | Is UML (user mode linux) used? |
| 23:12.52 | nsadmin | by? |
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| 23:12.54 | tjadog | well its a bit fuzzy... says: |
| 23:12.57 | tjadog | For the moment your Tcl/Tk environment should have installed Itcl and Tk 8.5. |
| 23:12.59 | tjadog | The standalone versions in the Download directory donât need any installation. They can be run out of the box. |
| 23:13.15 | syslq | By anyone, I have just heard of it |
| 23:13.29 | nsadmin | , versions tcl8.5 |
| 23:13.31 | judd | tcl8.5 -- lenny: 8.5.3-2; sid: 8.5.8-2; squeeze: 8.5.8-2 |
| 23:13.33 | tjadog | I am not sure if by standalone they mean the .bin ? |
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| 23:13.45 | nsadmin | , versions tk8.5 |
| 23:13.48 | judd | tk8.5 -- lenny: 8.5.3-4; sid: 8.5.8-1; squeeze: 8.5.8-1 |
| 23:14.05 | tjadog | I have lenny 5.0.5 |
| 23:14.25 | nsadmin | so tcl and tk 8.5 are available to you |
| 23:14.42 | tjadog | should I grab them via apt-get ? |
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| 23:14.57 | nsadmin | just so you know 8.4 support is presently hanging by a thread... the tcl folks want to EOL it |
| 23:15.18 | nsadmin | if you're running lenny I would recommend away from apt-get |
| 23:15.27 | nsadmin | in favor of aptitude |
| 23:15.44 | tjadog | ok so I am relative newbie to debian... can you help me get familiar on how to use aptitude? |
| 23:15.47 | nsadmin | , find itcl |
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| 23:16.12 | nsadmin | aptitude has some similarities with apt-get |
| 23:16.13 | tjadog | is there a gui-based aptitude or is it via shell only? |
| 23:16.15 | nsadmin | for example |
| 23:16.30 | nsadmin | you can aptitude install <package> |
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| 23:17.18 | nsadmin | but it also has a text/terminal-based full-terminal-screen version |
| 23:18.05 | nsadmin | so you can run aptitude install <whatever> and it will be all text based just like apt-get |
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| 23:18.12 | nsadmin | or you can run aptitude |
| 23:18.25 | nsadmin | and you get a pictury like thing |
| 23:18.41 | tjadog | ok I just ran aptitude install tcl and it was using the brand new dvd's - but says Selecting previously deselected package tcl8.4. |
| 23:18.52 | tjadog | how do I get it to use the network and to grab 8.5 ? |
| 23:19.07 | nsadmin | try tcl8.5 for <package> |
| 23:19.33 | tjadog | ok so I want to do: aptitude install tcl8.5 for lenny ? |
| 23:19.52 | nsadmin | the way aptitude (and apt-get) is set up (to be continued) |
| 23:20.02 | nsadmin | right |
| 23:20.06 | tjadog | yes that is working |
| 23:20.26 | nsadmin | (continuing) is it reads the text file /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 23:20.52 | nsadmin | and that file tells aptitude (and apt-get) where to find packages |
| 23:21.07 | tjadog | ok thats good to know |
| 23:21.15 | nsadmin | it's pretty much why making other dists like ubuntu easier |
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| 23:21.58 | nsadmin | after editing that file, you would run aptitude update |
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| 23:22.20 | nsadmin | and it reads that file, then sets up for pulling packages from the listed sources |
| 23:22.53 | tjadog | gotchya :) ok so it appears I installed 8.5 of tcl and tk however I still get that same error message that I pastbin |
| 23:23.39 | nsadmin | yeah, that's a different dep; you still need libstdc++ |
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| 23:23.58 | nsadmin | so did you get tk also (just to get that dep out of the way) |
| 23:24.10 | nsadmin | , find itcl |
| 23:24.13 | tjadog | yes tcl and tk |
| 23:24.26 | nsadmin | , find incr-tcl |
| 23:24.37 | nsadmin | , versions incr-tcl |
| 23:24.37 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'incr-tcl' was found. |
| 23:24.42 | nsadmin | , versions itcl |
| 23:24.43 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'itcl' was found. |
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| 23:25.10 | nsadmin | you may have to build itcl and have it installed into the tcl you just installed |
| 23:25.12 | abrotman | which pastebin ? |
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| 23:25.54 | nsadmin | , versions libstdc++ |
| 23:25.56 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'libstdc++' was found. |
| 23:26.17 | tjadog | is it itcl or ltcl ? |
| 23:26.26 | tjadog | , versions ltcl |
| 23:26.28 | judd | Sorry, no package named 'ltcl' was found. |
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| 23:26.48 | abrotman | you can msg judd ... |
| 23:26.54 | abrotman | or learn how to use it |
| 23:26.59 | nsadmin | we'll deal with that in a minute |
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| 23:27.29 | nsadmin | anyway you can run apt-cache search libstdc++ |
| 23:28.09 | nsadmin | and it will give you a list of packages that are moreorless related to the search string (libstdc++ in this case |
| 23:28.09 | abrotman | which pastebin? |
| 23:28.17 | tjadog | well it looks like there might already be a password-gorilla packge for debian |
| 23:28.19 | tjadog | http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=password-gorilla |
| 23:28.30 | tjadog | its 1.4x but that wouldf work for my purposes |
| 23:28.43 | nsadmin | , versions password-gorilla |
| 23:28.44 | judd | password-gorilla -- lenny: 1.4-3; sid: 1.4-4.1; squeeze: 1.4-4.1 |
| 23:28.50 | nsadmin | yep |
| 23:29.09 | nsadmin | looks like you don't have to deal with the deps yourself |
| 23:29.24 | tjadog | holy cow there is a crap ton of listings apt-cache search libstdc++for |
| 23:29.31 | tjadog | id never had figure that out |
| 23:29.33 | tjadog | lol |
| 23:29.46 | nsadmin | shhh, it's a secret :) |
| 23:30.32 | nsadmin | so, what happens if you aptitude install password-gorilla |
| 23:30.42 | Black_Phantom | What does Debian cd 1 contains ? |
| 23:30.47 | Black_Phantom | Rather than the DVD |
| 23:30.48 | nsadmin | data |
| 23:30.55 | Black_Phantom | I want to save time downloading |
| 23:31.03 | tjadog | nsadmin: doing that right now |
| 23:31.41 | Black_Phantom | brb |
| 23:32.03 | nsadmin | Black_Phantom, if you have a fat enough net connection you're probably better off starting with a netinst cd |
| 23:32.05 | abrotman | !tell Black_Phantom about cd contents |
| 23:32.42 | nsadmin | about 180 mb, it contains a kernel, the installer and the base |
| 23:33.06 | nsadmin | then installing later pulls from the net or whatever sources you have configured |
| 23:33.11 | tjadog | nsadmin: sweet it added it to the Applications -> Accessories menu and it works!! its the password gorilla I know & love from osx & windows systems |
| 23:33.42 | nsadmin | waduzido? |
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| 23:36.37 | nsadmin | tjadog, so does password gorilla also need tcl/tk on win and macos? |
| 23:36.53 | tjadog | nsadmin: what does password-gorilla do? its just a password manager so you only have to remember one password and then can open up the file |
| 23:37.07 | tjadog | nsadmin: yeah I believe so |
| 23:37.14 | abrotman | there's a program called Revelation that is nice enough also |
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| 23:38.30 | tjadog | Revelation is a password manager? the thing I like about password gorilla is that I can use my files on any filesystem :) so the portability is nice |
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| 23:38.48 | nsadmin | so it's like a locked wallet that contains passwords |
| 23:38.59 | tjadog | yeah basically |
| 23:39.04 | abrotman | nsadmin: yeah, there's a program called pwsafe that many people use |
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| 23:39.36 | nsadmin | very cool :) |
| 23:39.39 | tjadog | so like a lot of my accounts I have it generate a password of nonsense that I would never remember... like AKNHF&(*UFJKHS* or some crap like that |
| 23:39.40 | tjadog | lol |
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| 23:40.03 | nsadmin | there's pwgen |
| 23:40.11 | nsadmin | you could take a look at that |
| 23:40.15 | tjadog | so I just have to know the master password... then it opens up, I find my debian-mailer list account, and then select the pw, copy & paste |
| 23:40.48 | abrotman | nsadmin: pwgen doesn't help you remember them |
| 23:41.14 | tjadog | but the cool thing is like I said it works the exact same for windows & osx too ... I think I used it on a fedora system bout 5years ago as well |
| 23:41.27 | nsadmin | right, it's just a way to generate "some crap like that" :) |
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| 23:42.40 | tjadog | ok so this is only my 3rd day running a debian system.. so far so good. my latest linux experience has been centos so it will take me awhile to get used to thedifference |
| 23:43.10 | nsadmin | as a nonroot user there won't be much of a diff |
| 23:43.10 | tjadog | last night I managed toet my wireless modem online which was a big break through for me :) |
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| 23:45.07 | tjadog | I think "apt-cache search" is going to be my new best friend |
| 23:45.08 | tjadog | lol |
| 23:45.34 | nsadmin | also take a look at the website packages.debian.org |
| 23:45.48 | nsadmin | and click on browse |
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| 23:46.08 | tjadog | yeah I was looking there too, its where I found the password-gorilla package |
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| 23:46.46 | tjadog | ok thanks nsadmin - you've been awesome help! |
| 23:46.51 | nsadmin | apt-file might interest you... it's like locatedb for files in debian packages |
| 23:47.09 | nsadmin | welcome. offered in service. |
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| 23:47.54 | tjadog | ok I am keeping notes so I dont have to repeat ask when i forget :) |
| 23:47.56 | nsadmin | so I'm still curious tho |
| 23:48.08 | nsadmin | what brings you to debian? |
| 23:48.24 | tjadog | thats a good question lol |
| 23:48.43 | nsadmin | its the only kind I ask! |
| 23:49.34 | abrotman | !tell tjadog about refcard |
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| 23:50.37 | tjadog | a bit long winded.. but the short of it is this: 1) I do online based GIS applications 2) I want to build up my own business so I can be my own boss 3) my current website is hosted at dreamhost which is using debian 5 4) in order to get some sample GIS mapping sites for a portfolio I want to create, I need to compile some of those programs on a debian 64bit system where I can have > 200mb... |
| 23:50.39 | tjadog | ...ram otherwise dreamhost kills the process |
| 23:51.15 | tjadog | so 5) I have a new laptop that is 64bit and I created a grub dual boot system with win7 :) |
| 23:51.45 | nsadmin | are you running grub1 or 2? |
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| 23:52.14 | tjadog | I dont know for sure.. but I can check real quick? is it under /boot/grub ? |
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| 23:52.25 | tjadog | I am running whatever lenny gave me |
| 23:52.42 | nsadmin | which is probably legacy grub (grub1) |
| 23:53.04 | nsadmin | abrotman, you here? |
| 23:53.08 | jhutchins_lt | nsadmin: Grub0 to be pedantic. |
| 23:53.09 | tjadog | yeah it looks a bit old skool compared to the version I have seen on centos 5.x |
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| 23:54.22 | nsadmin | jhutchins_lt, maybe you have an opinion... is it a good idea to try to run grub2 on lenny? why/not? |
| 23:54.58 | nsadmin | I've been kinda lazy to learn grub2, so I've been sticking to legacy |
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| 23:55.10 | tjadog | oh and you can add 6) that I like to be challenged by diff. things - keeps my brain fresh instead of doing the same-ol same-ol if you know what I mean (thats why in 2006 I switched cold turkey to OSX tiger lol) |
| 23:55.21 | abrotman | nsadmin: ? |
| 23:56.05 | nsadmin | abrotman: looking to ask regular helpers, what's conventional wisdom on using grub2 in lenny |
| 23:56.52 | abrotman | nsadmin: works fine for me .. i use it on every lenny system that is i386 |
| 23:56.54 | abrotman | or amd64 |
| 23:57.22 | nsadmin | I had it in my head, helpers are saying not the greatest idea |
| 23:57.27 | nsadmin | guess not? |
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| 23:57.35 | abrotman | helpers? |
| 23:58.04 | syslq | How do I change the user apache2 runs under, or where is "defined" that apache runs under www-data? |
| 23:58.06 | nsadmin | such as yourself and other in-the-trenches folks |
| 23:58.12 | jhutchins_lt | nsadmin: Last I looked at it it was a bit ahead of it's documentation and which of the multiple conf files should contain what wasn't standardized. |
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| 23:58.41 | abrotman | nsadmin: if your setups are simple, should be fine .. |
| 23:59.01 | nsadmin | ahh. fyi... there's later docs that have been completed days ago, example of which is... |
